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| 00:01.23 | JordiGH | Is it possible to backport Mozilla Firecat 3.0 into etch? |
| 00:01.23 | antonia | hey guys, my laptop will not load a cd |
| 00:01.24 | antonia | i put a cd in the drive, it spins up and nothing happens |
| 00:01.36 | antonia | i know the drive works and it is set up throught he fstab and i cannot mount it manually |
| 00:01.40 | antonia | it is /dev/scd0 |
| 00:01.53 | antonia | and when i try to mount it says bad block or incorrect filesystem |
| 00:02.11 | JordiGH | antonia: And you're sure the CD works elsewhere? And other CDs load? |
| 00:03.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: if it's like FF3 .. not unless you backport gtk, which will end in fail |
| 00:03.19 | themill | dpkg: tell JordiGH about firefox 3 etch |
| 00:03.21 | antonia | no cds are loading |
| 00:03.24 | antonia | i'm sure the drive works |
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| 00:04.32 | JordiGH | Aw, so it's complicated. |
| 00:04.34 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 00:04.45 | JordiGH | Does Mozilla ship a statically linked versioin? |
| 00:04.48 | JordiGH | version? |
| 00:04.58 | pingouin | where can i found informations about some kernel options, for me that are not developer ? just to know what the options do, and if i really need it when i build a custom kernel , thanks |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask them |
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| 00:06.01 | pingouin | for instance, do i need mtrr ?! and what is it exactly |
| 00:07.01 | JordiGH | can't wait for lenny to release... |
| 00:08.32 | \amethyst | pingouin: menuconfig has descriptions of most of those |
| 00:08.46 | JordiGH | Dammit... weird NTFS partitioning... now I have to figure out how Windows Vista likes to partition the disk. |
| 00:09.42 | \amethyst | pingouin: err, that is, when you do make menuconfig you can get help; most of the menu items have a description, and many say something like "if you don't know what this is, include it" or "if you don't know what this is, leave it out" |
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| 00:10.19 | pingouin | \amethyst: yeah true, and /Documentation also, but...really...i still dont know if i need to (m) (*) or (n) it :/ |
| 00:10.26 | pingouin | and for a lot of options also |
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| 00:10.41 | JordiGH | Can the etchnhalf d-i mount ntfs? |
| 00:10.59 | abrotman | rw or ro ? |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | judd: versions ntfs-3g |
| 00:11.06 | judd | abrotman: ntfs-3g -- etch-backports: 1:1.516-1~bpo.1 lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1 sid: 1:1.2531-1.1 experimental: 1:1.2918-1 |
| 00:11.40 | Eulex | JordiGH, do you really need to mount it while installing? |
| 00:12.15 | JordiGH | Eulex: I have to figure out what's in it before I can repartition the hard drive... I guess I can reboot into Windows, but I'd rather save some time. |
| 00:12.34 | Eulex | JordiGH, sure, it can mount it read-only |
| 00:12.53 | Eulex | that support is in the kernel |
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| 00:13.46 | JordiGH | Eulex: Hrm... "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows" says "mounting /dev/sda1 on windows/ failed: no such device" |
| 00:14.13 | JordiGH | Although the devices are in /dev... |
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| 00:15.00 | JordiGH | And fdisk confirms that those devices have the right Windows partitions. |
| 00:15.20 | Eulex | that's odd |
| 00:15.32 | JordiGH | Is the filesystem not "ntfs"? |
| 00:15.43 | Eulex | it is "ntfs" |
| 00:15.53 | Eulex | I'm off to bed tho, good night |
| 00:16.03 | liable | mount should be able to grep the fs type anyway |
| 00:16.19 | JordiGH | liable: I get "invalid argument" when I don't specify a fs type., |
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| 00:16.48 | liable | eh, did you leave the -t in ? |
| 00:17.01 | Eulex | JordiGH, hmm, is the ntfs kernel module loaded? |
| 00:18.02 | JordiGH | Eulex: lsmod doesn't show anything that says "ntfs" in it. Any idea what it's called? |
| 00:18.19 | Eulex | JordiGH, "ntfs" :) can you load it? |
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| 00:19.04 | JordiGH | Eulex: Nope. :-( |
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| 00:19.17 | JordiGH | Eulex: Maybe it's not in the netinst. |
| 00:19.18 | JordiGH | Argh. |
| 00:20.03 | JordiGH | Whatever. It looks like one of the NTFS partitions is almost empty. I'll resize that one. |
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| 00:20.16 | Eulex | JordiGH, perhaps. your kernel is not installed yet, right? |
| 00:20.29 | JordiGH | Eulex: Well, clearly I'm running *a* kernel, right? |
| 00:21.20 | Eulex | yes, but the question was whether it was installed on your system :P |
| 00:21.34 | liable | ntfs doesnt look like it is in d-i |
| 00:21.41 | JordiGH | Aw, tough luck. |
| 00:21.46 | liable | quickly checking kernel-wedge |
| 00:21.48 | Eulex | JordiGH, if you can find ntfs.ko somewhere in the fs you could insmod it |
| 00:21.50 | JordiGH | Whatever, I think Vista sets up a data partition. |
| 00:22.21 | Eulex | one thing you could do would be to manually extract the kernel image and insmod ntfs.ko :D |
| 00:22.26 | Eulex | ok |
| 00:22.30 | JordiGH | The cdrom has some ntfs udebs... |
| 00:23.03 | click | *ponder* |
| 00:23.03 | JordiGH | wonders if it's ok to do without a swap partition. |
| 00:23.28 | Eulex | JordiGH, if you have lots of ram and/or a swap file |
| 00:23.31 | Eulex | 'nite |
| 00:23.56 | JordiGH | Eh? Why would the d-i partitioner think that 2 gigs at the end of the disk are unusable? |
| 00:25.17 | click | uhm, can someone explain to me how to enable/add xen to the 2.6.18-6 debian sourcepackages? :P (i know it has been discussed before, i'm just curious on how to enable the _xen archdir configs) |
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| 00:25.28 | JordiGH | Eh, whatever. I told it to do it automatically and looks like it didn't like the size I chose for the partition. |
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| 00:28.38 | CaneAble | hi - has anyone experienced a problem of aptitude ignoring held packages via "echo foo hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections"? |
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| 00:29.09 | CaneAble | !fish |
| 00:29.09 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. Also the "Friendly Interactive SHell", a non-POSIX compatible replacement shell: http://fishshell.org |
| 00:29.22 | stoned | thats bull |
| 00:29.42 | CaneAble | heh - yeah |
| 00:30.25 | stoned | teach a man to fish and he has to get a fishing license, and into the legal system, then the por sod has to buy a fucking boat, or rent one, then he has to go fish and then clean the fish and then the sanitization dept gets on your ass then he has to cook the fish so he needs a license for an open flame |
| 00:30.33 | stoned | dude.. just give the man a fish and call it a day. |
| 00:30.39 | liable | CaneAble: use 'aptitude hold foo' |
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| 00:30.57 | liable | CaneAble: the way you did it is for apt-get |
| 00:31.04 | JordiGH | stoned: For all that philosophising, our man still doesn't have fish. |
| 00:31.06 | CaneAble | liable - sure, but i thought apt and aptitude were somehow interchangable? |
| 00:31.17 | liable | CaneAble: not entirely, no |
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| 00:31.37 | CaneAble | balls to that then -- thanks for the info. |
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| 00:32.34 | abrotman | the dpkg hold should work for aptitude and apt-get |
| 00:32.47 | abrotman | CaneAble: get a root shell and try that instead of the sudo nonsense |
| 00:33.22 | JordiGH | CaneAble: i.e. "sudo -i" :P |
| 00:33.31 | CaneAble | i only put sudo there for clarity -- i was root entirely when performing that operation -- it just meant i didn't wouldn't get people asking me if/why i was/weren't root already. :P |
| 00:33.32 | stoned | has fish:/ |
| 00:34.29 | stoned | I wonder what kde will do for fish |
| 00:34.33 | stoned | kde4* |
| 00:35.00 | JordiGH | Does sudo pipe properly? |
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| 00:37.08 | JordiGH | Huh, the etchnhalf d-i now seems to kinda detect atheros wifi... does this mean we're shipping non-free software in d-i? |
| 00:37.39 | liable | abrotman: not in my experience. aptitude must have its own db for that |
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| 00:37.51 | liable | JordiGH: ath5k |
| 00:38.06 | CaneAble | oh for god's sake -- it also seems that putting a package on hold in aptitude's ncurses interface doesn't propagate that information to apt-get -- sod it. I've been using apt-get before aptitude came along. I'm ditching it outright. |
| 00:38.06 | abrotman | liable: test it .. let me know :) |
| 00:38.29 | liable | abrotman: i have, some time back |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | liable: test it .. let me know :) |
| 00:38.59 | castingcrowns | Anyone here ever hear of a bot that runs locally on your computer so instead of asking it stuff in an irc channel, you can just ask it stuff from a command line? I would like to get one and have it loaded with a bunch of stuff I always seem to forget and have to internet search for. is this possible? |
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| 00:39.27 | meyou | castingcrowns: notepad? |
| 00:39.34 | lostson | castingcrowns: yeah its called a text file and grep or find |
| 00:39.35 | liable | abrotman: i think CaneAble did, otherwise he wouldnt have asked |
| 00:39.42 | JordiGH | liable: Wow, is the free driver getting good enough to work? |
| 00:39.45 | meyou | oh yeah this is #debian |
| 00:39.52 | meyou | castingcrowns: vim? |
| 00:39.54 | castingcrowns | haha, yeah, but thats to easy, lol. and if there is allot of info, i dont want to search the notepadd allot :) |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | liable: i'm skeptical! |
| 00:40.02 | liable | JordiGH: yep, depending on chipset, 5212 should work fine |
| 00:40.12 | meyou | castingcrowns: what you're asking for is an interface to search a text file |
| 00:40.14 | JordiGH | Awesome. |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | !info tomboy |
| 00:40.32 | lostson | castingcrowns: if your opening a terminal what difference does it make what command you use ? |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | oh wait .. i think i meant gabby :) |
| 00:40.41 | dpkg | tomboy: (desktop note taking program using Wiki style links), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.10.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5674 kB, Installed size: 10240 kB |
| 00:40.41 | abrotman | !info gabby |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | oh .. darn it .. i did mean tomboy |
| 00:40.56 | liable | JordiGH: wont work with wep with netcfg though iirc (i have been playing with netcfg working on wpa) |
| 00:41.02 | meyou | you could make a shell script |
| 00:41.06 | meyou | put it in /usr/bin or wherever |
| 00:41.12 | meyou | call it niftysearch |
| 00:41.12 | JordiGH | liable: I need WPA... I didn't get an option for it in d-i. |
| 00:41.15 | abrotman | and it's gobby .. |
| 00:41.22 | meyou | and make it grep your text file |
| 00:41.25 | CaneAble | wicd is cool |
| 00:41.29 | liable | JordiGH: its not in d-i, its in our eeepc installer though |
| 00:41.42 | JordiGH | liable: I saw it in the eeepc installer! It kinda didn't work, though. :-( |
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| 00:42.04 | liable | JordiGH: on the atheros card? |
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| 00:42.52 | JordiGH | liable: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just my crappy Telmex router. The driver could associate, but couldn't get an address with dhcp. I could set a static IP, though. |
| 00:43.07 | JordiGH | Er, the card could associate. |
| 00:43.18 | liable | oh |
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| 00:43.38 | SnoFox | Okay, If anyone uses Ezstream, some help would be nice... I keep launching ezstream, and I'm getting no output, and it's not connecting to the server. I even passed it two v options to show verbose output, and I'm still getting nothing. |
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| 00:44.07 | castingcrowns | lostson: well I was thinking of someting like, if I forget how to do a particular task...not sure what it might be, but I would like to maybe just ask a question to a bot, and have it spit back out the steps needed to do such a task. |
| 00:44.22 | liable | JordiGH: bummer, its worked well on the three routers i have with the atheros card in the 701. oh well, wireless can be annoyingly fickle |
| 00:44.33 | SnoFox | Oh, hey, after 20 minutes, a status message. :o |
| 00:44.59 | liable | abrotman: try it and let me know :) |
| 00:45.01 | JordiGH | liable: Yeah, I really hate Telmex, Telcel, and the rest of Slim's hellspawns. |
| 00:45.04 | abrotman | WHAT! |
| 00:45.25 | liable | NEVERMIND! |
| 00:47.04 | lostson | castingcrowns: seems like overkill to me |
| 00:47.12 | castingcrowns | Or better yet, how can I make a help index like some programs have. that would be better for me I think, as it would probably be easier to populate with info, and then find it later. |
| 00:47.59 | Tr0gd0r | how do you setup encrypted dirs in debian? |
| 00:48.43 | miksuh | Tr0gd0r: There is several ways to do that, but one of the easiest is to use cryptkeeper |
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| 00:49.15 | Tr0gd0r | miksuh i want one that runs from the cmd line |
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| 00:49.21 | Tr0gd0r | cryptkeeper wants me to install x11 |
| 00:49.26 | JordiGH | Oh, hey. |
| 00:49.28 | miksuh | # aptitude install cryptkeeper |
| 00:49.34 | JordiGH | d-i lets you use non-free software now. |
| 00:49.41 | miksuh | Tr0gd0r: ah ok |
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| 00:49.50 | JordiGH | rms would not be proud. :-) |
| 00:50.00 | Tr0gd0r | got any ideas miksuh? |
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| 00:50.31 | liable | it even asks for firmware for wireless cards if it detects it |
| 00:50.54 | JordiGH | liable: I'm not sure how I feel about this... |
| 00:51.25 | liable | JordiGH: depends if you want working hardware. noone is making you install the nonfree stuff :) |
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| 00:51.48 | JordiGH | liable: There's no non-free software in tasksel, is there? I guess it only uses the non-free repos for hardware? |
| 00:53.36 | liable | JordiGH: it does add non-free iirc, if you install firmware. or something like that. I haven't played with it for a while, and when i do its mostly for the eee installer which does a lot of non standard stuff |
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| 00:56.00 | miksuh | Tr0gd0r: you could use eg. encfs or ecryptfs-utils etc |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | non-free isn't just for hardware drivers |
| 00:57.24 | abrotman | java used to be in there for instance |
| 00:57.34 | stoned | should put firefox in there |
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| 00:57.37 | JordiGH | abrotman: Java gets installed in the tasksel? |
| 00:57.42 | JordiGH | Er, by tasksel? |
| 00:57.47 | liable | yes, but that is why d-i adds it, for firmware |
| 00:58.08 | stoned | JordiGH, should man tasksel, look at the packages and grep for java |
| 00:58.16 | mathijs | Hi all, how can I export dpkg/apt state (including manual/auto) to a file that I can import on another system? |
| 00:58.22 | miksuh | Tr0gd0r: this is ubuntu tutorial, but afaik it should work in debian lenny too |
| 00:58.23 | miksuh | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory |
| 00:58.28 | JordiGH | stoned: There's no man installed yet. :P |
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| 01:00.02 | miksuh | Tr0gd0r: I use lenny, but I have not tried that.. |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: tasksel runs at install .. the installer doesn't know about contrib/non-free yet |
| 01:01.04 | CaneAble | mathijs: dpkg --get-selections > ./foo # copy foo over to another machine: dpkg --set-selections < foo && apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 01:01.17 | JordiGH | abrotman: So liable is correct that d-i allows non-free repos just for hardware stuff? |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: that said .. you could make your own tasks |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | JordiGH: not stuff from the non-free repos |
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| 01:01.49 | mathijs | CaneAble: does that keep my auto/manual selection? |
| 01:02.14 | JordiGH | abrotman: I don't understand what you mean. What exactly does d-i use non-free for? Because it does use it. At least for etchnhalf, which I understand is using the lenny d-i |
| 01:02.25 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 01:02.36 | JordiGH | abrotman: You're saying d-i just lied to me? |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | not that i've seen .. ask #debian-boot for clarification |
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| 01:02.51 | CaneAble | mathijs: so you're after something more like fai then? |
| 01:03.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: It must be a new thing, but it just asked me if I wanted to allow non-free software. |
| 01:03.11 | abrotman | JordiGH: okay |
| 01:04.23 | liable | from hw-detect .. if [ "$need_nonfree" ]; then db_set apt-setup/non-free true |
| 01:04.26 | mathijs | nah... not like that... I just upgraded one system and walked through the entire package list and chose recommendations and stuff the way I like it, now another system that should be exactly the same is getting upgraded too and I don't want to do it all again. |
| 01:04.53 | CaneAble | mathijs: see my original suggestion then. |
| 01:04.56 | JordiGH | liable: But it doesn't set non-free without asking, does it? |
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| 01:05.09 | mathijs | CaneAble: but I'll use your suggestion and just reapply the manual/auto selection afterwards, they aren't that many |
| 01:06.19 | JordiGH | It's an interesting situation with firmware. I didn't know that some firmware had no source to speak of! |
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| 01:07.53 | liable | JordiGH: um, not sure actually. that line looks like it just set the bool to true. not sure if apt-setup then asks afterwards |
| 01:08.29 | JordiGH | liable: Installing non-free software without asking would be a major Social Contract violation. ;-) |
| 01:08.55 | liable | JordiGH: i would imagine, but thats in the case of you already loading non-free firmware earlier |
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| 01:10.01 | TheWanderer | Mens, how do I go about capturing live audio/video from my system and streaming it on the network? |
| 01:11.32 | CaneAble | Heh, "Mens". "Are there any women here today?" :P |
| 01:11.51 | JordiGH | reports TheWanderer to d-women for sensitivity training. |
| 01:12.04 | TheWanderer | mens as in mankind, c'mon :P |
| 01:12.14 | CaneAble | TheWanderer: Use a streaming server -- icecast might help. |
| 01:12.37 | TheWanderer | I know, but what about the source side? |
| 01:12.52 | meyou | that is the source side |
| 01:12.58 | meyou | the destination side uses an mp3 player |
| 01:13.19 | TheWanderer | the media source that sends stream data to icecast server |
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| 01:13.29 | meyou | some mounted partition of your choice |
| 01:13.37 | LightKnight | icecast must be feeded a stream... I'd use a player whatsoever+ices2. |
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| 01:14.13 | CaneAble | Newer versions notwithstanding to my answer. |
| 01:14.31 | liable | JordiGH: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s04.html |
| 01:14.34 | TheWanderer | LightKnight: I know. but how do I make WhatSoEverPlayer stream live data from v4l device like a camera and my mic? |
| 01:14.47 | JordiGH | liable: Excellent. |
| 01:14.49 | click | ok, i'm crashing my head against a brick wall here - how the hell do i compile a basic xen-enabled kernel from the linux-2.6 source debian packages.... |
| 01:14.57 | JordiGH | reads. |
| 01:15.02 | liable | see last section |
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| 01:16.10 | kso512 | TheWanderer: check out VLC from videolan |
| 01:16.29 | TheWanderer | kso512: thanks, gonna see |
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| 01:17.23 | LightKnight | TheWanderer: oh -- in this case, I'd tune alsamixer to capture from the mic and configure ices2 to read from there. Guess there's something similar for the video, but i only streamed audio till now :/ |
| 01:17.37 | kso512 | TheWanderer: also depends on the input medium: webcam vs. dv vs. coax vs. vga vs. ... |
| 01:18.16 | TheWanderer | kso512: webcam is a v4l device, so there should be a standardized way I guess |
| 01:18.23 | miksuh | click: do you really need to compile your own kernel? xen-enabled kernels are available in the repository |
| 01:18.34 | kso512 | TheWanderer: cool, vlc should see it fine |
| 01:19.12 | TheWanderer | kso512: can I make vlc also stream from my mic (alsa)? will there be any delay between audio and video data? |
| 01:19.33 | kso512 | TheWanderer: yes, and yes, and you can compensate for that delay in vlc |
| 01:19.34 | click | miksuh: unfortunately, i do - due to a small init/bootbug in the kernel |
| 01:20.02 | kso512 | TheWanderer: er, yes, and maybe/probably... :) |
| 01:20.24 | click | miksuh: so yeah - and we've been humping on that earlier today, but so far no luck, since i've got no clue as to how to enable the xen-part of make-kpkg |
| 01:20.30 | TheWanderer | kso512, LightKnight, thanks for your advices, gonna try it all out |
| 01:20.37 | kso512 | TheWanderer: enjoy! |
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| 01:20.55 | LightKnight | TheWanderer: you're welcome, hope I wasn't too obscure in the end :) |
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| 01:32.57 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 01:32.57 | dpkg | [qotd142] <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 01:33.41 | Firestarter- | is there a lock folder for iceweasel that can get left behind if it don't close properly? |
| 01:33.53 | Firestarter- | lock file |
| 01:34.12 | liable | must have something like that, for the start new session thing it does now |
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| 01:35.08 | Firestarter- | hmmm |
| 01:35.15 | Firestarter- | wonder where it gets hidden |
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| 01:35.26 | lexrupy | hello all |
| 01:35.33 | lexrupy | I am creating a debian package |
| 01:35.37 | liable | should be in your ~ dot files i guess |
| 01:35.49 | lexrupy | so I need to overrite a file provided by another package |
| 01:36.00 | format_c | if I would guess ~/.mozilla |
| 01:36.37 | lexrupy | how can I do this... since if I don't specify anything when I try to install the package I get a message saying that another package already provide that file |
| 01:37.03 | amphi | Firestarter-: under ~/.mozilla/default I think - it's a file called 'lock' |
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| 01:37.33 | nkuttler | lexrupy: afaik you don't. talk to the dev of the other package or have your users use a force |
| 01:37.55 | lexrupy | :S |
| 01:38.01 | lexrupy | ok |
| 01:38.05 | lexrupy | thank's |
| 01:38.13 | liable | lexrupy: its a bug if your package does that, but you can force it with --force-overwrite |
| 01:38.13 | nkuttler | lexrupy: read the maintainer guide and policy to be sure |
| 01:38.42 | lexrupy | but just when user is installing? |
| 01:38.51 | liable | yes |
| 01:38.52 | Firestarter- | amphi: yes looked there parentlock something deleted it and still sayes it's running. Was wondering if debian also stored something |
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| 01:39.45 | lexrupy | I can do this in the postinstall script? |
| 01:39.55 | nkuttler | lexrupy: no. man dpkg |
| 01:39.56 | liable | no |
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| 01:40.14 | nkuttler | lexrupy: or you planning on distributing that package? to whom? |
| 01:40.38 | lexrupy | I have a set of plugins for gedit |
| 01:40.43 | hikenboot | hello I found this git source for libva but cant seem to add it git://anongit.freedesktop.org/libva anyone know how i can get the source from it? |
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| 01:40.53 | lexrupy | and some improvements I made for ruby.lang in gtksourceview |
| 01:41.11 | liable | hikenboot: why cant you clone it? |
| 01:41.14 | nkuttler | hikenboot: ummm, git clone? |
| 01:41.16 | lexrupy | and I want provide these improvements to users of "gmate" |
| 01:41.24 | hikenboot | ah maybe im using the wrong command |
| 01:41.37 | lexrupy | and I need to overrite about two files... |
| 01:42.16 | lexrupy | ruby.lang, and the snippets file ruby.xml |
| 01:42.20 | nkuttler | lexrupy: why don't you feed your patches to the upstream source or package maintainer? |
| 01:42.47 | lexrupy | in gtksourceview I already done this... but it's not already applied |
| 01:42.54 | hikenboot | nkuttler that pulls the source or just connects to it I thought it was clone that copied it...got a good url that would show these commands? |
| 01:43.11 | nkuttler | hikenboot: google git tutorial |
| 01:43.17 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
| 01:44.09 | lexrupy | and I have some very specific to Rails modifications to Rails developers, So it doesn't needed by others users in fact |
| 01:45.06 | hikenboot | thanks guys for your help! |
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| 01:46.13 | lexrupy | I was thinking about make a backup of original files and replace them by mine in postinst script, and put all back in prerm script |
| 01:46.14 | hikenboot | ls |
| 01:46.27 | hikenboot | opps sorry wrong window |
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| 01:48.38 | hatter | is the green line on the graph at bugs.debian.org/release-critical referring to Lenny ? |
| 01:48.55 | JordiGH | hatter: Yes. |
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| 01:49.04 | JordiGH | hatter: When the line hits the bottom, it's champagne time! |
| 01:49.24 | thomas_adam | Can't it be coffee time instead? |
| 01:49.26 | lexrupy | there is a way to put files in the user home directory with dpkg-deb? |
| 01:49.27 | nkuttler | lexrupy: read the policy |
| 01:49.27 | dutchfish | hi, i have setup bluetooth and gpsd and rfcomm connects, but gpsd polls wrong baudrate, stopbits and paritybits, how can i set that ? (debian lenny 64bit, working bluetooth for other devies) |
| 01:49.30 | JordiGH | Except I never understand how they count RC bugs, because there's usually two or three bug counts going around, and they all vary a little. |
| 01:49.36 | thomas_adam | lexrupy: Hmm? |
| 01:49.48 | JordiGH | thomas_adam: You can't have celebratory toasts with coffee. |
| 01:49.56 | thomas_adam | You sure as hell can. |
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| 01:50.04 | thomas_adam | One just has to pretend. :) |
| 01:50.09 | lexrupy | thomas_adam: for example put files in ~/.gnome2/gedit/plugins |
| 01:50.34 | thomas_adam | lexrupy: No -- it's policy not to pollute a $USER's home area in that way. |
| 01:50.47 | lexrupy | ok |
| 01:51.00 | lexrupy | where can I find this policy to read? |
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| 01:51.09 | JordiGH | lexko: dpkg-deb -x foo.deb ~/.gnome2/gedit/plugins |
| 01:51.24 | JordiGH | Er, lexrupy ^^ |
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| 01:51.53 | nkuttler | lexrupy: debian-policy or your favorite search engine |
| 01:52.07 | lexrupy | nkuttler: ok, thanks |
| 01:52.29 | JordiGH | lexrupy: the Debian policy just says where things should be installed. I take it you just want to extract a .deb in a specific location because you have good reason to do so? |
| 01:52.42 | thomas_adam | Assumptions. Tut. |
| 01:53.02 | JordiGH | (well, the policy says a bunch of other things, not many of which seem relevant in this context) |
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| 01:54.06 | lexrupy | JordiGH: I am creating a deb package, and I asked if I could put some file in $USER home directory when user says dpkg -i package.deb |
| 01:54.26 | lexrupy | JordiGH: but its not really what I need |
| 01:54.51 | lexrupy | JordiGH: my problem is that I want to override files provided by other packages |
| 01:54.58 | thomas_adam | lexrupy: So no, then |
| 01:55.11 | JordiGH | lexrupy: That's a policy violation, to be sure... Should it be installed in every user's homedir? Should it also go in /etc/skel? |
| 01:55.39 | dutchfish | lexrupy, what are you trying too achive? |
| 01:55.46 | thomas_adam | Just shove stuff in /usr/share/foo/examples/ as per most packages these days, with a README. |
| 01:56.11 | lexrupy | JordiGH: in fact no... these are just gedit plugins... and I will put it in /usr/libgedit-2/plugins |
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| 01:56.28 | lexrupy | usr/lib/gedit-2/plugins |
| 01:56.31 | JordiGH | lexrupy: There you go. |
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| 01:56.59 | lexrupy | JordiGH: yes, thank's |
| 01:57.06 | JordiGH | lexrupy: Btw, #debian-mentors on OFTC. |
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| 01:58.43 | lexrupy | dutchfish: I want to provide a package for users of my set of gedit plugins, that will do some other things, like update the gtksourceview2 ruby.lang file to add more sintax rules, and custom keywords |
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| 01:59.54 | lexrupy | you can see some of those improvements and customizations here: http://alexandredasilva.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/exended-ruby-syntax/ |
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| 02:00.24 | dutchfish | lexrupy, ok, 1. follow the policies for package building, dont override files do it by config scripts wich clearly informs users 3. make source en bin packages |
| 02:00.32 | thomas_adam | Give me vim anyday. |
| 02:00.54 | JordiGH | lexrupy: Still waiting for you at #debian-mentors... |
| 02:00.56 | user_corrupt | i just downloaded the java runtime environment, it is a .bin, and I'd like to know how I should install it...I tried a "sh ./filename" and also a "./filename" |
| 02:01.11 | thomas_adam | user_corrupt: ... and? |
| 02:01.11 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: Is there a problem with Debian's package? |
| 02:01.55 | lexrupy | JordiGH: I am there now |
| 02:01.55 | user_corrupt | well, i looked for JRE in apt get, and I didnt find anything |
| 02:01.55 | user_corrupt | (noob) |
| 02:01.55 | lexrupy | dutchfish: thank's, I will folow these instructions |
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| 02:01.59 | JordiGH | lexrupy: On OFTC... I think it's rather empty here. |
| 02:02.29 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: Are you using etch or lenny? |
| 02:02.32 | dutchfish | lexrupy, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ (good luck) |
| 02:02.37 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: Or something else? |
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| 02:02.55 | user_corrupt | sorry, i dont know what those are |
| 02:03.00 | JordiGH | lexrupy: d-women's wiki also has some good packaging docs. I recently discovered them. |
| 02:03.06 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 02:03.11 | format_c | user_corrupt, try sun-java5-jre |
| 02:03.20 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 02:03.22 | user_corrupt | well, i just downloaded it |
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| 02:03.28 | user_corrupt | oh, one sec |
| 02:03.30 | JordiGH | format_c: Or OpenJDK, which is free and wonderful and good for the environment. |
| 02:03.39 | lexrupy | JordiGH: I will point at that, thank's |
| 02:03.59 | format_c | or sun-java6-jre |
| 02:04.12 | lexrupy | thank you guys for all help |
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| 02:04.27 | dutchfish | hi, i have setup bluetooth and gpsd and rfcomm connects, but gpsd polls wrong baudrate, stopbits and paritybits, how can i set that ? (debian lenny 64bit, working bluetooth for other devies) |
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| 02:05.14 | user_corrupt | actually, im not sure which debian i grabbed |
| 02:05.15 | lexrupy | JordiGH: OFTC? |
| 02:05.18 | user_corrupt | i did a network install |
| 02:05.23 | user_corrupt | if that helps |
| 02:05.48 | legis | user_corrupt: cat /etc/debian-version |
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| 02:05.59 | JordiGH | lexrupy: irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:06.33 | lexrupy | JordiGH: I am on freenode |
| 02:06.33 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:06.36 | format_c | wow netsplit?? |
| 02:06.36 | user_corrupt | 4.0 |
| 02:07.02 | stoned | I am sick n tired of getting disconnected all the time |
| 02:07.05 | format_c | user_corrupt, then you are on etch |
| 02:07.07 | stoned | what is the matter with frenoode |
| 02:07.13 | JordiGH | lexrupy: So open another tab in your IRC client... |
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| 02:07.29 | anfangs | hallo |
| 02:07.41 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: You are on etch, which unfortunately doesn't have OpenJDK. :-( The best way to get Java there is to enable the non-free repos and install what format_c suggested. |
| 02:07.46 | lexrupy | JordiGH: I use pidgin... I am adding a new account here |
| 02:07.51 | format_c | stoned, don't know. I'm still here :) |
| 02:07.58 | JordiGH | Pidgin is a good IRC client? Hm. |
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| 02:08.09 | user_corrupt | thanks |
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| 02:08.48 | TheWanderer | Hm. Guys, do you know any Jabber/XMPP client capable of doing video calls in some standardized manner? |
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| 02:09.22 | lexrupy | JordiGH: I think it's not, but I don't use irc a lot, and it just works |
| 02:09.23 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: Yeah, and never mind that thing you downloaded from Sun. Best to use Debian's packaging. |
| 02:09.42 | anfangs | what's the best way to get monodevelop? |
| 02:09.45 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 02:10.01 | JordiGH | anfangs: aptitude install monodevelop? |
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| 02:11.12 | anfangs | JordiGH, what repository? |
| 02:11.17 | user_corrupt | i am getting the JRE to run eclipse to do web development, should i consider JDK instead perhaps? |
| 02:11.17 | anfangs | it's not found |
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| 02:11.55 | format_c | user_corrupt, what kind of web-devel u want to do? |
| 02:12.01 | format_c | Java? |
| 02:12.33 | dutchfish | format_c, eclipse can do a lot more then java ;) |
| 02:12.35 | user_corrupt | well, i am working with twiki which is done in perl i guess, and im trying to interact with googlemap |
| 02:12.44 | JordiGH | anfangs: main? I'm sure it's in etch, isn't it? |
| 02:12.56 | craigevil | its not in etch , lenny and sid |
| 02:13.07 | format_c | dutchfish, 4sure. But many other are also very good |
| 02:13.07 | craigevil | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=monodevelop&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
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| 02:13.35 | dutchfish | user_corrupt, i like geany for that |
| 02:13.46 | user_corrupt | is geany an IDE? |
| 02:13.52 | dutchfish | user_corrupt, yup |
| 02:13.58 | format_c | user_corrupt, dutchfish , and for me VIM is the best. :) |
| 02:14.11 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 02:14.26 | dutchfish | user_corrupt, there are many others so ... |
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| 02:15.24 | dutchfish | format_c, i used it also alot, but lately i use nano and mcedit more depending for what i need it |
| 02:15.46 | format_c | really? |
| 02:16.07 | dutchfish | format_c, i am old guy i like brilliant colours ;) |
| 02:16.11 | format_c | U got rid of it? |
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| 02:16.39 | dutchfish | format_c, yes, i don tuse vim anymore |
| 02:16.42 | anfangs | so if I add a package from unstable, like mono, does that mean it's likely to have bugs? |
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| 02:16.58 | anfangs | monodevelop* |
| 02:17.11 | format_c | dutchfish, :colorscheme has a lot of colorful themes. |
| 02:17.32 | miksuh | user_corrupt: if you want to do java web development then yes, you need to install jdk |
| 02:17.35 | format_c | but just a question of preference |
| 02:17.37 | JordiGH | Is monodevelop backported? |
| 02:17.46 | user_corrupt | thanks |
| 02:17.50 | dutchfish | format_c, sure |
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| 02:20.35 | miksuh | JordiGH: I think not. atleast It's not in the backports.org |
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| 02:20.54 | miksuh | JordiGH: upgrade to lenny, then you get monodevelop |
| 02:21.05 | dutchfish | !info monodevelop |
| 02:21.09 | dpkg | monodevelop: (C/C++/C#/Boo/Java/Nemerle/ILasm/ASP.NET Development Environment), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.0+dfsg-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3262 kB, Installed size: 10264 kB |
| 02:21.20 | JordiGH | miksuh: It's not for me. And I'm not upgrading to lenny in some cases until it's really stable. |
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| 02:22.25 | dutchfish | JordiGH, for desktop, its green light for me, less bugs then etch atm, for servers its still a nono, lenny will go deep freeze soon |
| 02:23.03 | JordiGH | dutchfish: I don't get why crashing is acceptable in a desktop but not in a server. And yes, lenny is crashing, and no, I don't want to have to deal with crashes from my users. |
| 02:23.12 | JordiGH | Well, my user. My brother. |
| 02:23.25 | dutchfish | JordiGH, its NOT acceptable |
| 02:23.32 | craigevil | lenny crashes? i use sid and i cant remember the last time it crashed |
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| 02:23.36 | miksuh | JordiGH: I have not got any crashes in long long time |
| 02:23.40 | miksuh | lenny on desktop |
| 02:23.52 | dutchfish | me neither 64/32 bit |
| 02:24.11 | JordiGH | craigevil: I'm getting crashes with OpenGL. I think it's currently #509691, a current RC bug. |
| 02:24.19 | JordiGH | mikroflops: ^^ |
| 02:24.19 | dutchfish | JordiGH, and did you file foudn bugs? |
| 02:24.29 | JordiGH | Yes, looks like the bug is filed. |
| 02:24.49 | miksuh | There is one problem though, for some reason importing photos from digital camera does not work right now. Looks like gnome-volume-manager problem, AGAIN. Maybe i'll report it today |
| 02:24.53 | JordiGH | So none of this "works for me, give it to all your friends, stability, what stability lolz" please. Lenny isn't stable yet. |
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| 02:25.34 | dutchfish | JordiGH, i did not say that, but it surely depend son your needs |
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| 02:25.46 | JordiGH | dutchfish: My need is "don't crash". |
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| 02:27.04 | miksuh | JordiGH: oh, yep, I already forgot. i get crashes when i change screen resolution in Torcs (car simulation) |
| 02:27.20 | miksuh | but otherwise lenny works wery well, no problem with other games |
| 02:27.22 | JordiGH | miksuh: Yep. Unacceptable. |
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| 02:28.30 | ReKlipz | can the b43 driver be used for: $ lspci | grep BCM |
| 02:28.30 | ReKlipz | 06:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) |
| 02:28.30 | JordiGH | miksuh: A computer should never crash. Ever. No matter how stupid the user is (and a user that deliberately makes it crash by wilfully deleting system files doesn't count). |
| 02:28.30 | user_corrupt | ok, so now that I have this JRE .deb package on my desktop, how exactly should i go about installing it? |
| 02:28.30 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: Uh, you didn't use aptitude? |
| 02:28.39 | anfangs | JordiGH, from a new debian user, is testing considered stable? |
| 02:28.39 | JordiGH | user_corrupt: aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 02:28.48 | user_corrupt | thanks, ill go try |
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| 02:29.09 | heroxbd | Hello. How can I surpress thr route entry that dhcp offered? |
| 02:29.22 | JordiGH | anfangs: I don't think so. I think it would be very embarrassing to give testing to my brother. And I even asked him, "do you want testing-but-almost-stable or do you want stable"? He said stable, so that's what he's getting. |
| 02:29.31 | amitz | JordiGH: "A computer should never crash. Ever. No matter how stupid the user is (and a user that deliberately makes it crash by wilfully deleting system files doesn't count)" Is that an indirect insult to user_corrupt? :-) |
| 02:30.00 | dutchfish | heroxbd, route add|del (man route) |
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| 02:30.11 | user_corrupt | crashes |
| 02:30.12 | anfangs | JordiGH, I couldn't even get xchat without using testing. |
| 02:30.25 | JordiGH | anfangs: That's strange, why not? xchat is in etch. |
| 02:31.03 | anfangs | JordiGH, maybe I did something wrong, but I did a search in synaptic |
| 02:31.23 | heroxbd | dutchfish: Yes, I can do that manually. But I want a configuration entry in dhclient.conf or so to not accept the route offer. |
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| 02:31.55 | dutchfish | heroxbd, make a static setup then in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:32.01 | JordiGH | anfangs: That's very strange. It's not as if xchat is new; it's probably one of the oldest IRC clients in existence. :-) |
| 02:32.15 | enouf | hey stoned |
| 02:32.25 | dutchfish | enouf, howdy |
| 02:32.29 | enouf | you got a lot to learn, you ninkumpoop |
| 02:32.33 | format_c | ReKlipz, yes should be the best. |
| 02:32.33 | enouf | dutchfish: hiya |
| 02:32.42 | enouf | stoned: "2: What current hardware/software do you use for hacking? A pile of old 486 boxes for testing and for stable servers and the like." |
| 02:32.44 | heroxbd | dutchfish: But the ip must be dynamic, or I may be kicked on the batt by my administrator. |
| 02:32.47 | stoned | whats up |
| 02:32.52 | enouf | stoned: ya know who said that? |
| 02:33.01 | stoned | who |
| 02:33.03 | enouf | http://www.zorg.org/linux/alancox.php |
| 02:33.03 | format_c | But you might also need the current firmware installed in /lib/firmware |
| 02:33.08 | enouf | thanks to dutchfish |
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| 02:33.30 | dutchfish | heroxbd, but you can run a post in the dhcp setup in interfaces wich does exactly that |
| 02:34.07 | heroxbd | dutchfish: alright. |
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| 02:34.17 | stoned | whats with the beards? |
| 02:34.20 | ReKlipz | format_c: it's not... 14e4:4315 is my card... says it's not supported. I tried wl with the vlan patch, and it's causing kernel panics and wont connect to any wpa or wpa2 APs.... |
| 02:34.34 | anfangs | !info xchat |
| 02:34.39 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 308 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
| 02:35.08 | heroxbd | dutchfish: I found accepting a route offer then deleting it not quit confortable spritually. |
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| 02:35.25 | anfangs | JordiGH, I must have done something wrong |
| 02:35.29 | dutchfish | heroxbd, you better tell that the admin ;) |
| 02:35.56 | enouf | dutchfish: are you logged into -kernel? no, you weren't .. ok.. pm coming |
| 02:35.59 | format_c | wait vlan is AFAIK a IEEE802.1q standard not a IEEE802.11 one. |
| 02:36.14 | heroxbd | dutchfish: O...K... talk with admin is much much less confortable than that. :P |
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| 02:36.29 | JordiGH | Aw, crap... trying to install grub2 on this lappy made the hard drive unbootable. :-( |
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| 02:37.27 | cohn | hi |
| 02:38.43 | stoned | hello |
| 02:38.49 | stoned | does anyone know why tome starts 6 xterms? |
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| 02:38.58 | user_corrupt | "aptitude install sun-java6-jre" worked worked, but when i tried doing "...java6-jdk" or "...java5-jdk" then it couldnt find any packages |
| 02:39.05 | enouf | stoned: not i |
| 02:39.13 | beardy | stoned: What is time now again? |
| 02:39.13 | enouf | stoned: strace it? |
| 02:39.18 | beardy | tome* |
| 02:40.02 | enouf | stoned: perhaps something silly like it thinks it's in tty/console mode and trying to run on all ttys? |
| 02:40.14 | stoned | tome is a game |
| 02:40.17 | stoned | rougelike |
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| 02:40.34 | stoned | enouf, I did it with -g |
| 02:40.41 | enouf | stoned: i mean the number 6 is what makes me think of such silly things - if it was 5 or 8 xterms, i wouldn't mention it :-P |
| 02:40.45 | heroxbd | And the dam dhcp updates my resolv.conf, I don't want that either.... |
| 02:41.01 | cohn | can anyone tell me if the current Debian Lenny will install on a Sun Ultra 1 Creator? |
| 02:41.12 | beardy | stoned: Then it is what I thought.. Empty xterms? IIRC nethack and slashem uses several windows for different output, when run in X mode. |
| 02:41.14 | stoned | This version of Tome has been compiled with both ncurses and the X Windowing system. and hence can be played on a virtual console as well as under X. In the latter case, the game pulls up multiple windows. <-- but 6 windows? and only 1 is used |
| 02:41.23 | stoned | beardy, oh |
| 02:41.23 | Guerin | cohn: debian.org/releases/lenny |
| 02:41.25 | enouf | stoned: well, does it also run in console using framebuffer? |
| 02:41.32 | Guerin | cohn: read the install guide |
| 02:41.42 | stoned | enouf, in console it doesn't start multiple |
| 02:41.48 | cohn | Guerin: tried to install Etch but it gets stuck detecting the SCSI controller |
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| 02:41.53 | Guerin | stoned: why do you care? |
| 02:41.56 | cohn | any idea if Lenny will do the same? |
| 02:42.00 | Guerin | cohn: none. |
| 02:42.09 | cohn | bummer. = / |
| 02:42.23 | beardy | stoned: Like, one for the map, one for inventory, one for messages, and so on. I prefer the coloured console text modes for such games.. |
| 02:42.33 | stoned | Guerin, its fucking with my taskbar... too many damn buttons |
| 02:42.54 | stoned | beardy, which do you play? |
| 02:42.55 | Guerin | solution: ignore your stupid taskbar, or get one which will fit a useful number of things on it |
| 02:43.15 | beardy | stoned: Mostly slashem, nethack sometimes. I played a little over christmas. |
| 02:43.33 | stoned | I started slashem, I couldn't get past the 2nd level |
| 02:43.41 | stoned | I want to play neoognud |
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| 02:43.48 | stoned | thats dungeon backwards |
| 02:44.22 | beardy | stoned: I prefer it over nethack. I guess atleast I almost always gets past level 2 now ;) But I'm not particularly good. |
| 02:44.24 | enouf | stoned: so, it is capable of console/fb .. so, look into what i 1st mentioned .. somewhere in config .. or the code |
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| 02:44.52 | stoned | enouf, ok |
| 02:45.03 | stoned | enouf, I'm also trying to find an isometric view for it |
| 02:45.07 | stoned | I know there is a isoAngband |
| 02:45.08 | enouf | cohn: hrm, using -sparc arch? try #debian-sparc ? |
| 02:45.14 | kzar | Where are the iptables configuration files kept? |
| 02:45.19 | stoned | I want to see falcon's eye like interface |
| 02:45.33 | stoned | judd versions falconseye |
| 02:45.33 | judd | stoned: falconseye -- etch: 1.9.3-16 |
| 02:45.42 | Metatron | can someone point me to a default example of a sources.list...something is foo bared |
| 02:45.46 | cohn | enouf: noboy in there |
| 02:45.54 | stoned | !tell Metatron -about sources.list |
| 02:45.58 | cohn | and i hate talking to myself. =) |
| 02:46.22 | stoned | beardy, http://clivecrous.lighthouseapp.com/projects/11282-vulture-s |
| 02:46.25 | simonrvn | simonrvn: so do i. |
| 02:46.29 | Metatron | well that didnt help any |
| 02:46.52 | Metatron | or maybe it did, sorry |
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| 02:47.40 | JordiGH | Okay, I'm starting to get worried... why is my hard drive unbootable? |
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| 02:48.08 | ReKlipz | is there an irc channel for linuxwireless (b43, b43-legacy)? |
| 02:48.35 | Gm4n | JordiGH, why do you think your hard drive is unbootable? |
| 02:48.57 | JordiGH | Gm4n: Because the BIOS says "no bootable device found"? |
| 02:49.05 | format_c | No but a mailing list |
| 02:49.20 | Gm4n | hmm, is it possible that no partition is set as bootable? |
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| 02:49.44 | JordiGH | Ah, that could be it. I'm just an idiot. :-) |
| 02:49.50 | simonrvn | that doesn't matter |
| 02:49.54 | Gm4n | JordiGH, fdisk your drive, and then "p" |
| 02:50.02 | Gm4n | it will show the partitions, and should have a * by the one that's set as the bootable one |
| 02:50.07 | enouf | cohn: try irc.debian.org |
| 02:50.31 | cohn | will do, thanks |
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| 02:50.37 | enouf | you do NOT need the boot flag to use/boot Linux |
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| 02:50.56 | Gm4n | but how will the bios know what to boot then? |
| 02:50.57 | enouf | only Windows requires an Active partition marker - however .. you might be chainloading, so .. |
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| 02:51.04 | ReKlipz | format_c, about the vlan. not sure why the patch is there, I've not tried it without it, but it sets vlan_mode to 0... turns off vlaning? |
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| 02:51.13 | enouf | it always goes for 0x80 disk 1st |
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| 02:51.32 | JordiGH | Gm4n: Hm, this is strange... fdisk seems to be confused, or I'm confused. I thought I had 5 partitions, but fdisk shows 6? |
| 02:51.41 | enouf | heh - Ext'd |
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| 02:51.58 | JordiGH | enouf: Yeah, there's on extended paratition. |
| 02:52.01 | enouf | JordiGH: your Ext'd one is hidden? - try cfdisk as well - try parted ffs |
| 02:52.14 | ReKlipz | format_c: anways, it seems that my issues lay in using WPA/WPA2 with the broadcom wl drivers, and without the patch, there is some bug that only allows ssh/ftp/others from CLI. I have no idea how a driver could affect where tcp packets are coming from.. but yeah, you tell me... |
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| 02:53.01 | format_c | I used the b43 without vlan tagging on my iBook and worked fine. I got a while until it worked correctly including a custom kernel withe wireless extensions. |
| 02:53.17 | JordiGH | enouf: It looks like parted isn't available? :-/ |
| 02:53.43 | ReKlipz | format_c: the issue is not with b43, it is with the broadcom supplied wl. b43 does not support my card I found out. |
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| 02:54.40 | format_c | ReKlipz, then I don't really know it. |
| 02:54.55 | enouf | JordiGH: cat /proc/partitions |
| 02:54.59 | ReKlipz | format_c: no problem, I found that out after I asked in here |
| 02:55.16 | JordiGH | Huh, weird... the partition table was all messed up. |
| 02:55.17 | format_c | even I can not recommend the b43 or bcm43 mailinglist. |
| 02:55.18 | enouf | JordiGH: no idea what your real issue is - no idea why you used grub2 |
| 02:55.40 | JordiGH | enouf: Don't know why I used grub2 either... I guess I was trying to be adventurous, thought it might work. |
| 02:56.20 | ReKlipz | format_c: I'm gonna check there to see if there is any activity in supporting my chipset, otherwise I'm gonna keep messing with wl, and possibly, if all else fails, ndiswrapper |
| 02:56.41 | ReKlipz | so, what's the status of linux 2.6.28 in lenny? |
| 02:56.45 | ReKlipz | will it ever happen? |
| 02:57.26 | format_c | ReKlipz, you're always free to use a vanilla kernel |
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| 02:57.38 | TwistOfFate | i'll vanilla your kernel format_c |
| 02:57.42 | TwistOfFate | anyone here use fwsnort? |
| 02:57.45 | format_c | I need to use one as I used debian on my IBook |
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| 02:58.31 | format_c | TwistOfFate, Oh nice. I'll waiting for it |
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| 02:58.39 | Gregory[CH] | hello |
| 02:58.43 | Gregory[CH] | anybody knows typo3 ? |
| 02:58.44 | ReKlipz | format_c: never compiled my own kernel before... but all the issues I'm seeing with wl drivers are from ubuntu support (damn ubuntu), and they claim to be reslved with 2.6.28... |
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| 02:59.10 | Gregory[CH] | does anybody knows where we define the base url in typo3 backend ?? |
| 02:59.39 | format_c | ReKlipz, sound strange not to use the broadcom diver when you have a Broadcome wireless card installed. |
| 02:59.41 | simonrvn | i prefer a chocolate kernel |
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| 02:59.52 | simonrvn | though vanilla's nice too |
| 03:00.10 | ReKlipz | wl is the broadcom supplied driver, not the foss b43 driver. |
| 03:00.12 | simonrvn | Gregory[CH]: ask their channel? |
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| 03:00.20 | Gregory[CH] | they are dead.. |
| 03:00.22 | Gregory[CH] | just like their cms |
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| 03:00.36 | format_c | ReKlipz, really. |
| 03:00.54 | format_c | ok I admit not to be up to date |
| 03:01.00 | srart | anyone here know how to add default args to grub2? |
| 03:01.15 | JordiGH | Does grub-install go in /dev/sda or /dev/sda5? |
| 03:01.28 | ReKlipz | format_c: no worries man, this stuff is relatively new I'm gathering |
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| 03:01.59 | format_c | ReKlipz, thanks then I can try me tears ;) |
| 03:02.00 | srart | JordiGH: (hd0) or /dev/sda |
| 03:02.12 | format_c | s/try/dry/ |
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| 03:04.16 | ReKlipz | format_c: heh, I think I'll just swap out my 4312 with someones supported 43xx who is running windows. think we have a lappy at work actually i can swap with |
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| 03:05.10 | JordiGH | Er, this isn't funny anmore. The partition is marked bootable, I ran grub-install from a shell on which /dev/sda5 as the root partition... |
| 03:05.20 | JordiGH | Still the BIOS won't boot it. |
| 03:06.05 | simonrvn | zap it? |
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| 03:06.48 | srart | JordiGH: is any part of grub starting? |
| 03:07.08 | JordiGH | srart: No, the BIOS just doesn't think the hard drive is bootable at all... |
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| 03:07.36 | koeppea | OK now I also encountered a reconnect on freenode |
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| 03:07.50 | enouf | JordiGH: listen, see if /boot/grub/device.map is correct (if grub legacy), and see if #groot= and #kopt= lines are in menu.lst - Play with the BIOS boot drive order -- otherwise there's a /etc/grub.conf file for grub2? also, |
| 03:08.00 | srart | liveCD it, or http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Installing_or_Restoring_GRUB_to_the_Master_Boot_Record |
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| 03:08.13 | simonrvn | /etc/grub.d/ |
| 03:08.24 | JordiGH | enouf: But... the BIOS isn't even booting the hard drive! |
| 03:08.31 | enouf | if grub1, then hd0 == 1st system HDD |
| 03:08.57 | enouf | do you get GRUB error on the screen? do you get any errors? is that still grub2? |
| 03:08.59 | JordiGH | Yeah, there's only one... (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 03:09.05 | JordiGH | That's in device.map |
| 03:09.14 | srart | simbioz: yeah, and there is a bevy of files there, I'm kind of looking for specifically which of those files and where it should be done. |
| 03:09.53 | enouf | JordiGH: i'd think your MBR code is screwed or something - reinstall grub to hd0, the MBR - /msg dpkg rescue mode |
| 03:10.31 | srart | JordiGH: x86 non mac computer, no raid, lvm and grub1? |
| 03:10.42 | JordiGH | srart: Yes to all. |
| 03:11.00 | srart | you have a live CD of some sort? |
| 03:11.20 | JordiGH | enouf: I am in rescue mode, I just ran with /dev/sda5 (where Debian was installed) as root "grub-install /dev/sda"... |
| 03:11.25 | JordiGH | srart: Well, Debian... |
| 03:11.35 | JordiGH | srart: I am using Debian's rescude mode. |
| 03:11.35 | enouf | JordiGH: can you pastebin output of xxd -1 512 /dev/sda ? |
| 03:11.38 | enouf | crap |
| 03:11.41 | enouf | JordiGH: can you pastebin output of xxd -l 512 /dev/sda ? |
| 03:11.44 | enouf | not 1 |
| 03:11.59 | enouf | or use hexdump if you like |
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| 03:12.14 | enouf | no, not sda5 - are you deaf? |
| 03:12.26 | NextPresident | well, good night |
| 03:12.42 | enouf | goodnight obama bin laden |
| 03:12.44 | JordiGH | enouf: Hmm... the first few bytes are zeroed out... what are you looking for? |
| 03:12.50 | NextPresident | enouf: ! :) |
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| 03:12.52 | enouf | ... |
| 03:12.56 | koeppea | enouf, does your IRC client do speaking ? |
| 03:13.03 | srart | JordiGH: yeah, what enouf said. what do you meen ran /dev/sda5? |
| 03:13.17 | enouf | koeppea: probably, but i duct tapped it's mouth |
| 03:13.25 | enouf | taped* |
| 03:13.37 | JordiGH | srart: Weird syntax, I ran ini a shell in which /dev/sda5 was root the command "grub-install /dev/sda". |
| 03:13.43 | JordiGH | s/ini/in/ |
| 03:13.47 | enouf | koeppea: after stuffing a sock in it - why? |
| 03:13.59 | koeppea | yep |
| 03:14.03 | koeppea | why? |
| 03:14.55 | enouf | JordiGH: so #groot=(hd0,4) |
| 03:15.09 | JordiGH | enouf: Okay, wait, I misread that. There are some bytes there that aren't zeroed out.. what are you looking for... |
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| 03:15.18 | JordiGH | enouf: Put that where, in menu.lst? |
| 03:15.22 | enouf | JordiGH: pastebin it - somehow - i can't say |
| 03:15.26 | enouf | JordiGH: yes |
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| 03:15.34 | enouf | any errors at all? |
| 03:15.44 | JordiGH | Btw, rescue mode put me in a weird terminal... let me see if I can edit menu.lst |
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| 03:15.50 | enouf | the HDD is in 'ro' mode when in rescue mode, IINM |
| 03:15.51 | JordiGH | (The terminal seems broken) |
| 03:15.57 | enouf | you might need to remount rw |
| 03:16.16 | JordiGH | No, it seems to be rw |
| 03:16.26 | enouf | dammit ... use the grub shell and do find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 03:16.39 | enouf | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 03:17.23 | srart | enouf: eww, I HATE doing it from in grub. |
| 03:17.42 | enouf | JordiGH: note; Ext'd partitions use a chainloading method to jump to next partition boot sector |
| 03:17.44 | Firestarter- | what is the difference between linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 03:17.49 | enouf | you might have screwed that all up |
| 03:18.04 | enouf | srart: it's the smartest, easiest way |
| 03:18.08 | enouf | IMHO |
| 03:18.12 | JordiGH | Ack, what's wrong with this rescue terminal? |
| 03:18.18 | enouf | get out of it |
| 03:18.22 | koeppea | Firestarter-, I guess that you are able to have more memory than 4G on a 32Bit arch machine |
| 03:18.25 | JordiGH | How do I get into a good one? |
| 03:18.27 | enouf | it's obviously not working for you |
| 03:18.38 | enouf | make a friggin grub CD ffs |
| 03:18.39 | Firestarter- | koeppea: cool thanks |
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| 03:19.04 | enouf | Firestarter-: yes HIGHMEM64G and PAE are enabled |
| 03:19.08 | enouf | in -bigmem |
| 03:19.17 | Firestarter- | thanks |
| 03:19.19 | JordiGH | Okay, different terminal, just chrooted into /target... |
| 03:19.29 | enouf | what? that's the installer |
| 03:19.50 | enouf | might just work though |
| 03:20.46 | JordiGH | Okay... I think I installed grub correctly this time... let's try to reboot. |
| 03:21.23 | JordiGH | dammit! |
| 03:21.47 | enouf | what are the errors!!! |
| 03:22.03 | enouf | and go into your BIOS! |
| 03:22.17 | JordiGH | There are no errors! The BIOS just says "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key" |
| 03:22.21 | enouf | Move the friggin cable to the OTHER IDE Controller |
| 03:22.37 | enouf | you have a BIOS and Cabling or drive Jumper issue |
| 03:22.40 | JordiGH | Huh? It's a laptop. You want me to open it up? |
| 03:22.48 | enouf | are you using an 80wire cable? |
| 03:22.50 | enouf | WTF! |
| 03:22.53 | JordiGH | A what? |
| 03:22.58 | enouf | Your BIOS SUCKS ASS |
| 03:23.00 | enouf | :-) |
| 03:23.18 | enouf | Take the floppy disk out! |
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| 03:23.27 | JordiGH | There is no floppy. |
| 03:23.31 | enouf | heh |
| 03:23.44 | enouf | dude .. when did your drive croak? |
| 03:24.03 | JordiGH | The drive obviously works... I can see everything in it. grub says it can write to it without problems... |
| 03:24.28 | Supaplex | you need an any key for that. ;) |
| 03:24.38 | enouf | dude, what's on the drive - how long has it been working, how long has debian been installed, which ISO did you use |
| 03:24.52 | enouf | Supaplex: heh |
| 03:24.53 | Supaplex | did he install grub to the mbr? |
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| 03:25.07 | Supaplex | enouf: </evil> :) |
| 03:25.12 | enouf | JordiGH: your BIOS BPB is screwed - reinstall some MBR code ;-) |
| 03:25.27 | JordiGH | The drive is "IDE 0: WDC WD1200BEVS-22UST0 - 120.0 GB" |
| 03:25.30 | enouf | Supaplex: he says he tried grub2, then back to grub1 |
| 03:25.37 | enouf | wonderful |
| 03:25.42 | enouf | no answer the questions |
| 03:25.45 | enouf | now |
| 03:26.44 | ReKlipz | gotta copy stage1 to mbr |
| 03:26.46 | JordiGH | The drive has been working forver, I used the etchnhalf netinst, the drive has a Windows Vista partition or two near the front.... |
| 03:26.47 | sonnie | hi there, i customized a small debian for netbooting environment. 'cron' has been installed and the daemon is running, but it doesn't actually work, no log appears in /var/log/auth.log, why? |
| 03:26.54 | Supaplex | if a live disc can run qemu -snapshot /dev/hda or /dev/sda (pata ide vs sata) then your bios certinally suxorz /dev/assness - otherwise it's a pebcak problem. |
| 03:26.56 | JordiGH | enouf: Debian was installed today. |
| 03:27.17 | enouf | 1 down, 3 to go |
| 03:28.12 | enouf | sonnie: might want to checkout grml.org/faq |
| 03:28.14 | JordiGH | enouf: That was all questions... what did I miss? |
| 03:28.20 | enouf | ... |
| 03:28.21 | ReKlipz | looks like he answered all but 1 questions |
| 03:28.33 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.34 | ReKlipz | nah, he got em all |
| 03:28.41 | enouf | bullcrap |
| 03:28.51 | enouf | oh thanks |
| 03:28.59 | ReKlipz | he said 2 vista partitions, the etchnhalf netinst iso, and debian today |
| 03:29.00 | enouf | i suck - thanks for highlighting me |
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| 03:29.03 | JordiGH | 1) Vista partition 2) Laptop was bought 1 year ago 3) Today 3) etchnhalf netinst. |
| 03:29.06 | enouf | goes |
| 03:29.10 | Supaplex | NOAA has issued a patinece depletion warning for theh IRC realm. |
| 03:29.12 | JordiGH | enouf: ^^ |
| 03:29.19 | ReKlipz | lol |
| 03:30.03 | JordiGH | Okay, now I have to hide from my brother the fact that his laptop doesn't boot at all... |
| 03:30.34 | JordiGH | I think there's a relevant xkcd here... |
| 03:30.47 | ReKlipz | it looks like it boots to me, it even tells you you dont have an MBR anywhere to continue from |
| 03:31.07 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: The BIOS is unable to boot from the hard drive. |
| 03:31.07 | srart | JordiGH: I'm off to pick up a kid, if you don't get it by the timne I get back I'll walk you through off channel. |
| 03:31.29 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: so the bios is bad you say? reflash it, check for a new bios |
| 03:31.54 | JordiGH | How could it be bad? Could grub2 try to flash something to the BIOS? :-( |
| 03:31.58 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: ^ |
| 03:31.59 | ReKlipz | no |
| 03:32.18 | JordiGH | A grub2 installation attempt failed... I didn't check to see how it failed... |
| 03:32.19 | ReKlipz | but if you've done everything else right, then that's _gotta_ be it |
| 03:32.21 | srart | therew is no MBR code is all. I'll be back |
| 03:32.31 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: |
| 03:32.35 | ReKlipz | you needa get a livecd in the lappy |
| 03:32.46 | ReKlipz | and use dd to copy grub stage1 to the mbr |
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| 03:33.21 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: I can do that from d-i's rescue mode... |
| 03:33.22 | ReKlipz | or, if there is nothing you need on the debian install, just reinstall and let setup take care of it for you |
| 03:33.36 | enouf | srart: why off channel? |
| 03:33.59 | Supaplex | enouf: did you catch my NOAA comment? :D |
| 03:34.19 | enouf | JordiGH: fdisk /mbr from a win98 cd will suffice ;-) or use your Blista thingy and use FIXMBR |
| 03:34.49 | JordiGH | enouf: I don't think we have a Vista CD... or Windows CD... |
| 03:35.01 | enouf | Supaplex: national oceanographic a .. a ? |
| 03:35.02 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: you got the d-i cd? |
| 03:35.05 | Supaplex | I don't think the MBR would survive a balista. *CRASH* :) |
| 03:35.12 | enouf | haha |
| 03:35.33 | enouf | JordiGH: linux fdisk can also do it - so can parted |
| 03:35.42 | enouf | get a friggin tool! |
| 03:35.47 | Supaplex | is choking on cookie crumbs while laughing |
| 03:35.48 | enouf | and a clue |
| 03:36.05 | ReKlipz | did you tell your brother you broke is laptop yet? |
| 03:36.31 | enouf | JordiGH: see if gpart can guess your partitions correctly |
| 03:36.41 | enouf | judd: versions gpart |
| 03:36.41 | judd | enouf: gpart -- etch: 0.1h-4.1 lenny: 0.1h-4.1 sid: 0.1h-7 |
| 03:37.03 | enouf | i'l friggin pastebin my MBR 1st 440 bytes ffs |
| 03:37.13 | ReKlipz | haha |
| 03:37.43 | enouf | !nuke the craptop |
| 03:37.43 | dpkg | fires an 80 megaton thermonuclear weapon at the craptop |
| 03:38.05 | JordiGH | Wait, I think I got a pastebin... |
| 03:38.09 | raekism | !flash |
| 03:38.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:39.00 | enouf | JordiGH: listen, sfdisk -d /dev/sda > partition.table.backup - store it somewhere safe |
| 03:39.48 | enouf | JordiGH: it's a small text doc in a format the sfdisk likes .. read it even |
| 03:39.54 | JordiGH | enouf: http://picpaste.com/debian-installer_shell-plugin_1.png |
| 03:39.57 | enouf | the/that |
| 03:40.09 | enouf | oh ffs .. pictures? |
| 03:40.13 | enouf | and it's not pr0n? |
| 03:40.18 | enouf | wt4x?! |
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| 03:40.24 | JordiGH | enouf: Oh, c'mon. This was hard enough as it is... |
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| 03:40.53 | ReKlipz | you mean: http://pastebin.com/d237ba88a |
| 03:40.54 | enouf | that actually looks ok - at 1st glance |
| 03:41.36 | Guerin | `bah |
| 03:41.39 | Guerin | cup overheating |
| 03:41.43 | Guerin | cpu, too |
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| 03:41.53 | Guerin | all i'm trying to do is build a kernel! |
| 03:41.54 | JordiGH | Is my BIOS just unable to boot anything but Vista? |
| 03:41.55 | ReKlipz | that's one hot printer |
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| 03:42.04 | sonnie | enouf: why do you suggest me to grml? seems no help on my problem |
| 03:42.13 | enouf | i thought it would |
| 03:42.18 | enouf | seeen the cheatcodes.txt ? |
| 03:42.19 | ReKlipz | giggles |
| 03:42.49 | enouf | JordiGH: possible .. but doubtful - your BIOS sucks + there's some PEBKAC going on |
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| 03:44.00 | JordiGH | Could the BIOS be weird enough to not look for the MBR at the start of the disk? |
| 03:44.06 | ReKlipz | i'd laugh, a bios that doesn't see ntldr, refuses to load |
| 03:45.50 | Supaplex | !lart lousy BIOS implementations |
| 03:45.51 | dpkg | beats lousy BIOS implementations severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 03:45.52 | enouf | sonnie: how about http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 03:46.04 | enouf | sonnie: see the installation guide for info |
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| 03:48.04 | JordiGH | The BIOS doesn't seem to even try to read the hard drive... at least, I don't see the LED turn on. |
| 03:48.30 | ReKlipz | does the hdd spinup? |
| 03:48.34 | ReKlipz | can you hear it seeking? |
| 03:48.44 | ReKlipz | do you hear the heads lock? |
| 03:49.00 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: I can't hear a thing... just the fan. |
| 03:49.10 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 03:49.11 | JordiGH | WTF |
| 03:49.17 | ReKlipz | it. worked? |
| 03:49.19 | JordiGH | No. |
| 03:49.26 | ReKlipz | magic smoke? |
| 03:49.31 | ReKlipz | quick, inhale while it lasts! |
| 03:49.49 | JordiGH | "Citizen, we see you are attempting to install an unauthorised operating system. Please step away from the computer and put your hands on your head." |
| 03:49.53 | JordiGH | "Thank you for your cooperation." |
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| 03:50.09 | enouf | heh |
| 03:50.26 | JordiGH | I guess MSFT hit the kill switch. |
| 03:50.31 | ReKlipz | right... |
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| 03:50.41 | JordiGH | I should have never enabled the network during the install. |
| 03:50.47 | ReKlipz | game over. did you have fun playing? |
| 03:51.05 | ReKlipz | they made a typo by the way |
| 03:51.13 | enouf | "Would you like to play a game Professor?" |
| 03:51.30 | JordiGH | Fuck, there's work information on this computer. |
| 03:51.32 | JordiGH | panics. |
| 03:51.45 | ReKlipz | quick, ditch the irc channel |
| 03:51.49 | ReKlipz | they're tracking you |
| 03:52.02 | enouf | JordiGH: pull the disk out, start working on recovery strategies |
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| 03:52.40 | enouf | well .. no need to pull the disk really - just don't use it - how's that ;-) |
| 03:52.42 | ReKlipz | ah shit, they're here |
| 03:52.54 | enouf | "we're back!" |
| 03:53.04 | enouf | "Honey, i'm home" |
| 03:53.15 | JordiGH | enouf: I don't get it... clearly I can see the hard drive... and write to it. d-i had no problem with that... |
| 03:53.16 | THE_MS_FBI | where's the pie? |
| 03:53.23 | sonnie | enouf: my problem is not on netbooting, but on "cron" itself. it runs good on every real host of my own. but not in netbooting environment. there is no extra log messages appended to /var/log/auth.log. |
| 03:53.25 | enouf | </ the shining> |
| 03:53.28 | enouf | :-P |
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| 03:54.11 | JordiGH | What would grub2 do and why would it fail_ |
| 03:54.11 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 03:54.25 | sonnie | let me see it more clearly: my client pxe booting a modified debian with "cron" installed. but it doesn't work. |
| 03:54.25 | ReKlipz | doesn't matter, it failed |
| 03:54.32 | enouf | sonnie: might be you need to setup remote sys{k}logd? see /etc/default/syslog maybe .. or cron related files |
| 03:54.59 | sonnie | let me try run it |
| 03:55.24 | JordiGH | If stage1 was installed properly but couldn't find the rest of grub, I'd get error 69 or whatever in grub, right |
| 03:55.32 | ReKlipz | dunno |
| 03:55.45 | JordiGH | If the BIOS isn't even booting the hard drive, grub's stage1 must not be properly installed, correct? |
| 03:55.54 | ReKlipz | #grub? |
| 03:56.08 | JordiGH | Hmm.... I wonder if I should set another bootable flag somewhere? |
| 03:56.20 | ReKlipz | stage1 looked fine to me, but you can compare with the pastebin i made |
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| 03:56.41 | enouf | JordiGH: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=debian+fix++%22No+bootable+device+--+insert+boot+disk+and+press+any+key%22&btnG=Google+Search |
| 03:57.10 | peterm | hi guys, i want to install debian on my notebook. everything is great except i don't know which tool to use in order to setup wireless |
| 03:57.25 | JordiGH | refit? |
| 03:57.30 | peterm | i change my network often (it's a notebook) so it has to be comfortable |
| 03:57.41 | peterm | i used to use networkmanager but it sucks |
| 03:57.47 | ReKlipz | networkmanager is the shit |
| 03:58.27 | Tidus | wicd > NetworkManager |
| 03:58.27 | peterm | ifconfig and iwconfig don't work anymore and /etc/network/interface is somehow ignored |
| 03:58.34 | ReKlipz | you broked ifconfig? |
| 03:58.38 | JordiGH | Oh, that's for macs... |
| 03:58.40 | jamon | peterm: if iwconfig isn't working you have bigger problems than choosing network manager or wicd |
| 03:58.43 | enouf | that's an Apple macintel isn't it |
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| 03:59.16 | peterm | jamon, if i try to set the rate it has no effect. perhaps network manager resets it |
| 03:59.25 | jamon | ah don't worry about rate |
| 03:59.29 | Tidus | jamon: NetworkManager overrides anything you do with if/iwconfig manually |
| 03:59.30 | heroxbd | Hello. I have got a question. My server A [ipA] and Server B [ipB] are on the same subnet. And my server B have an extra external address [ipExB]. Can I talk directly to ipExB on Server A? |
| 03:59.50 | jamon | Tidus: yes it does, but if iwconfig is b0rked, that needs attention |
| 03:59.55 | JordiGH | enouf: acer aspire... I don't see what AAPL has to do with it. |
| 03:59.57 | enouf | JordiGH: you have a Macintosh? |
| 04:00.00 | Tidus | peterm: is that what you mean by if/iwconfig don't work? |
| 04:00.00 | JordiGH | No... |
| 04:00.03 | ReKlipz | heroxbd: why would you want to? |
| 04:00.06 | enouf | well .. there ya go |
| 04:00.07 | peterm | heroxbd, if there is some kind of external router yes |
| 04:00.09 | peterm | otherwise no |
| 04:00.11 | ReKlipz | heroxbd: you can talk to ipB |
| 04:00.18 | JordiGH | enouf: There I go what? |
| 04:00.22 | heroxbd | Kevin`: I can talk to ipB |
| 04:00.26 | enouf | back to square one |
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| 04:00.38 | heroxbd | ReKlipz: I can talk to ipB |
| 04:00.42 | peterm | jamon, yes |
| 04:00.53 | ReKlipz | then why talk to B via ipExtB when ipB works fine/; |
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| 04:01.00 | peterm | well and ifdown wlan0 doesn't work, too |
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| 04:01.16 | enouf | JordiGH: http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:WZ3uiVoaa2IJ:www.scribd.com/doc/2505575/Acer-Aspire-Laptop-manual+debian+fix+%22No+bootable+device%22+insert+boot+disk+and+press+any+key+-apple&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us&ie=UTF-8 |
| 04:01.24 | jamon | peterm: and they have in the past? |
| 04:01.30 | heroxbd | ReKlipz: I have set up a DNS server binding on ipExtB and I have set it as the default DNS on Server A. |
| 04:01.53 | peterm | it says something like unknow interface wlan0=wlan0 |
| 04:01.53 | Tidus | peterm: when you say ifconfig and iwconfig don't work, do you mean NetworkManager is overwriting what you do almost immediately? |
| 04:01.53 | peterm | jamon, what do you mean they have it in the past? |
| 04:01.55 | peterm | tidus, i at least think so |
| 04:02.01 | jamon | peterm: can you pastebin the output of just a simple "iwlist" ? |
| 04:02.05 | jamon | sorry, iwconfig |
| 04:02.13 | peterm | tidus, there is no other program interacting with network settings |
| 04:02.19 | peterm | jamon ok wait |
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| 04:02.30 | peterm | ah |
| 04:02.39 | heroxbd | peterm: Server A have external routing table. But it just can't reach ipExtB. |
| 04:02.52 | enouf | JordiGH: fucken stpid sites and old content and shit - here http://www.fixya.com/search/p637062-acer_aspire_5315_dhas53152142_pc_noteboo/bootable_device |
| 04:03.05 | roe_ | packages.debian.org leads me to believe that drupal is packaged in debian's repos, however apt-cache search drupal returns nothing |
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| 04:03.05 | peterm | jabon http://rafb.net/p/2lOWZO40.html |
| 04:03.27 | ReKlipz | enouf, he could just always boot via PXE |
| 04:03.35 | peterm | heroxbd, do you want server A to talk over server B to ipxB or over an external gateway? |
| 04:03.39 | ReKlipz | or toss grub on a usb flash |
| 04:04.05 | enouf | ReKlipz: or do .. the rube goldberg install :-) |
| 04:04.07 | heroxbd | peterm: over an external gateway. I don't plan to set ip forward on Server B |
| 04:04.15 | ReKlipz | enouf: you referring to lilo? |
| 04:04.17 | ReKlipz | :P |
| 04:04.21 | enouf | nope |
| 04:04.29 | jamon | ok peterm try wicd since it uses iwconfig underneath, that'll let you isolate whether it is iwconfig itself, or something else.. |
| 04:04.30 | enouf | punchcards |
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| 04:04.36 | enouf | and dot matrix printers |
| 04:04.42 | ReKlipz | oh right |
| 04:04.51 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:04.51 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 04:04.54 | ReKlipz | well, he'd have to teach his brother... |
| 04:04.56 | peterm | jamon, ok that's the advice i wanted to know i'll give wicd a try :-) |
| 04:05.11 | peterm | heroxbd, how is the router connected to server A and server B? |
| 04:05.14 | stoned | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -1 |
| 04:05.21 | stoned | unknown!! o noes |
| 04:05.33 | stoned | Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage line 475. |
| 04:05.49 | stoned | scratches head... wtf |
| 04:05.55 | enouf | Then after the BIOS screen was gone (my laptop is an acer aspire 5315) the system shows: All rights reserved. PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable PXE-M0F: Exiting Broadcom PXE ROM. No bootable device insert boot disk and press any key _ After trying several times i finally boot from the CD (alternate CD, not the Live CD) and selected one of the options, the one that says "start from the first hard disk" and that's the only way I ca |
| 04:05.56 | enouf | make Ubuntu run. It runs perfectly. |
| 04:06.04 | stoned | ubuntu? |
| 04:06.11 | enouf | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5819916&postcount=2 |
| 04:06.21 | peterm | jamon, there is no package called wicd in stable nor in testing :-( |
| 04:06.29 | heroxbd | peterm: What do you mean how? Just via a switch... ipA and ipB are on the same subnet, they can talk directly and have a common router on the subnet. |
| 04:06.37 | enouf | fix your fucken BIOS JordiGH - disable PXE booting .. ffs |
| 04:06.38 | stoned | hm |
| 04:06.43 | stoned | I ran it with fakeroot |
| 04:06.48 | JordiGH | enouf: Is that network booting? I did disable that. |
| 04:07.03 | JordiGH | enouf: Can the d-i cd be told to boot from the hard drive? |
| 04:07.05 | ReKlipz | peterm: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 04:07.12 | enouf | then re-enable it :-P ... play with the Disk BIOS boot order |
| 04:07.17 | jamon | peterm: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php |
| 04:07.25 | JordiGH | enouf: I just told the BIOS to reset factory defaults... |
| 04:07.27 | peterm | reklipz, no official support form debian :-( thats ungood *g* |
| 04:07.32 | stoned | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 126 <- now I have this |
| 04:07.46 | peterm | heroxbd, yes but whats about the interface ipxb or whatever its called |
| 04:07.46 | stoned | I'm trying to build packages for the source of vultures claw |
| 04:07.54 | peterm | is this on the same switch? |
| 04:07.58 | enouf | JordiGH: factory defaults might not be all correct - go look and make changes, and Save them and Exit |
| 04:08.10 | peterm | to which interface A and interace B are connected? |
| 04:08.12 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: did you check for a new BIOS? |
| 04:08.20 | enouf | another option |
| 04:08.31 | enouf | flash the bios .. might be corrupted |
| 04:08.38 | ReKlipz | sounds like it |
| 04:08.42 | heroxbd | peterm: [Server A eth0(ipA)]-----[eth0(ipB) Server B] |
| 04:08.44 | ReKlipz | (very unlikely) |
| 04:08.50 | enouf | not really |
| 04:08.53 | enouf | happens a lot |
| 04:09.01 | ReKlipz | heroxbd: you're missing ipXB |
| 04:09.08 | JordiGH | How could the BIOS be corrupt? |
| 04:09.10 | heroxbd | peterm: [Server A eth0(ipA)]-----[eth0(ipB) Server B eth1[ipExtB --- to and external net]] |
| 04:09.14 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: sunlight |
| 04:09.26 | enouf | depends where and how the ROM and CMOS info is stored |
| 04:09.50 | enouf | JordiGH: bad restarts / windows virii / dropping the sucker :-P |
| 04:10.06 | peterm | heroxbd, and you want server A to be able to talk to the external net? or do you want server A to talk to a service listening on ipExtB? |
| 04:10.10 | enouf | electronic glitches - gamma rays - ghost in the machine |
| 04:10.16 | JordiGH | enouf: Just to make sure, is there a way to tell d-i to boot from a hard disk? |
| 04:10.22 | enouf | you let out all the blue smoke? |
| 04:10.27 | stoned | JordiGH, what do you mean? |
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| 04:10.53 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: you're supposed to _inhale_ the magic smoke!!! doh! |
| 04:10.57 | JordiGH | stoned: I want to tell d-i "never mind, I'll boot the hard drive". |
| 04:10.58 | ReKlipz | now it's all gone |
| 04:11.04 | peterm | heroxbd, the simplest way to establish a communication would be some kind of routing in ServerB, like putting eth0 and eth1 in a bridge, but be avare of security implications |
| 04:11.07 | JordiGH | stoned: Ubuntu installer cd can do it, I hear |
| 04:11.10 | stoned | JordiGH, hmm. i dont know |
| 04:11.11 | enouf | JordiGH: that's very BIOS specific |
| 04:11.13 | stoned | JordiGH, i don't think so |
| 04:11.28 | enouf | you tell the BIOS to bypass the bootable cdrom |
| 04:11.29 | stoned | JordiGH, thats not di |
| 04:11.36 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: reflash the bios. now |
| 04:11.37 | JordiGH | stoned: Well, the installer cd. |
| 04:11.43 | stoned | JordiGH, thats ubuntu's live cd |
| 04:11.44 | stoned | grub |
| 04:11.50 | stoned | its grub |
| 04:12.01 | TwistOfFate | why are there no deb packages for fwsnort? son of a bitch. |
| 04:12.03 | enouf | JordiGH: the installer uses either syslinux/isolinux to boot itself |
| 04:12.10 | JordiGH | isolinux |
| 04:12.11 | heroxbd | peterm: Server A can talk to the external net through its eth0. And I have a bind9 daemon on Server B and bound on address ipExtB. I want Server A to be able to use the DNS service on Server B. So I think I have to make Server A talk directly to ipExtB. |
| 04:12.11 | enouf | the CD anyway |
| 04:12.22 | stoned | you pass from cd to grub |
| 04:12.28 | ReKlipz | yeah, via the bios |
| 04:12.45 | enouf | JordiGH: oh yeah? is it floppy emulation mode or not? |
| 04:12.56 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: Where am I gonna get a BIOS to flash to this thing? |
| 04:13.04 | ReKlipz | what kind of laptop is it? |
| 04:13.08 | JordiGH | enouf: Uh, I don't know? |
| 04:13.08 | ReKlipz | start with the company that made it |
| 04:13.11 | enouf | JordiGH: or .. is it isolinux that passes a syslinux image? |
| 04:13.16 | enouf | JordiGH: right |
| 04:13.19 | enouf | so shut it |
| 04:13.23 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:13.28 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: "acer aspire 5315-2532" |
| 04:13.30 | peterm | heroxbd, why don't you simply let bind9 listen on eth0 and eth1 on server b? |
| 04:13.34 | ReKlipz | i would try acer.com |
| 04:13.56 | enouf | haha = the 5315 is the one i linked to! |
| 04:14.03 | JordiGH | Goddamit... |
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| 04:14.10 | JordiGH | I hate company websites. |
| 04:14.10 | enouf | "Then after the BIOS screen was gone (my laptop is an acer aspire 5315) the system shows:" |
| 04:14.19 | JordiGH | They *never* have anything useful in them. |
| 04:14.22 | ReKlipz | umm |
| 04:14.24 | ReKlipz | they have bios revision |
| 04:14.30 | ReKlipz | s/revision/revisions |
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| 04:16.01 | heroxbd | peterm: I have registered a DNS record (ipExtB) on the DNS provider. So if Server A can reach ipExtB directly, I will be able to use the DNS service like anywhere else.. |
| 04:16.02 | ReKlipz | although, i have yet to see a laptop/mobo vendor supply a linux BIOS updater... |
| 04:16.15 | enouf | !freewilly |
| 04:16.24 | enouf | er ... i mean |
| 04:16.27 | enouf | !freedos |
| 04:16.27 | dpkg | somebody said freedos was a free implementation of the Disk Operating System, at http://www.freedos.org/, or now FreeDOS can run loadlin Violates the Principle of Least Surprise. After booting it, it won't see files that you copied to A:. |
| 04:17.01 | JordiGH | Should I get a grub CD and try to boot the hard drive from it? |
| 04:17.08 | enouf | JordiGH: go grab SBM or something - put it on floppy - boot CD or HDD ;-) |
| 04:17.26 | JordiGH | enouf: Society of Behavioural Medicine? |
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| 04:17.28 | heroxbd | peterm: It seems that when Server B received a packet from ipA it will send via ipB and server A is confused. |
| 04:17.33 | enouf | like i have to do for my p150 |
| 04:17.53 | enouf | because the newer isolinux don't use floppy emulation mode , or someshit |
| 04:17.57 | ReKlipz | smart boot manager? |
| 04:18.02 | enouf | bingo |
| 04:18.10 | enouf | btmgr.sf.net |
| 04:18.17 | peterm | heroxbd, sounds like you need masqrading |
| 04:18.18 | enouf | !sbm |
| 04:18.18 | dpkg | [sbm] Smart Boot Manager, or docs on the Debian CD: /install/README.sbm. Uses a floppy to boot from CD if your computer can't. |
| 04:18.23 | ReKlipz | why not try to update the bios? |
| 04:18.33 | enouf | too tough for the weary |
| 04:18.37 | ReKlipz | uses a usb flash drive |
| 04:18.39 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: How? This is all |
| 04:18.46 | ReKlipz | omg... acer.com |
| 04:18.51 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: It's not there! |
| 04:18.55 | ReKlipz | click on support or drivers or downloads |
| 04:18.56 | enouf | lmao |
| 04:19.04 | enouf | clickity click click |
| 04:19.21 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: I did... I looked for driver downloads for Acer aspire 5315... there's nothing there about a BIOS. |
| 04:19.28 | ReKlipz | what model again? |
| 04:19.30 | Tr0gd0r | ok say i have a pc with 2 hard drives sda and sdb. Debian is currently installed on sda. (I only have access to the machine through ssh because its in a datacenter) Can I install debian through SSH to sdb? |
| 04:19.32 | ReKlipz | 5315 |
| 04:19.38 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: Acer Aspire 5315 |
| 04:19.43 | Tr0gd0r | and then remove debian from sda? |
| 04:19.52 | ReKlipz | http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?website=AcerPanAm.com&siteid=7117&areaid=2&formid=3394#results |
| 04:19.55 | ReKlipz | search bios |
| 04:19.59 | ReKlipz | first result |
| 04:20.01 | enouf | hahaha http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=acer+5315+BIOS+update&btnG=Search |
| 04:20.05 | ReKlipz | flash bios - aspire 5315 |
| 04:20.18 | ReKlipz | http://www.acerpanam.com/synapse/forms/portal20.cfm?recordid=5194&formid=3394&website=AcerPanAm.com&siteid=7117&words=all&keywords=&areaid=2 |
| 04:20.39 | ReKlipz | I win! |
| 04:20.54 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: Right, and I have to boot Windows first... |
| 04:21.02 | ReKlipz | darn |
| 04:21.06 | heroxbd | peterm: When server B receive a request, it does not send it the same way back but use its own routing table to decide where to hop, right? |
| 04:21.26 | ReKlipz | think theres a windows live cd floating around the net somewhere |
| 04:21.37 | ReKlipz | alas, this is not #windows |
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| 04:22.09 | enouf | ubcd,com |
| 04:22.16 | enouf | http://support.acer-euro.com/drivers/notebook/as_5315.html |
| 04:22.19 | enouf | v1.43 |
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| 04:22.52 | ReKlipz | haha |
| 04:22.54 | peterm | heroxbd, yes if you have ipforwarding configured |
| 04:22.54 | enouf | omg .. it makes Midori freeze like a deer in headlights |
| 04:22.55 | ReKlipz | damn europeans |
| 04:23.08 | peterm | else the package is dropped if it's not for server b |
| 04:23.08 | JordiGH | BIOS for Vista, and one for XP? |
| 04:23.13 | JordiGH | Why the hell would it make a difference? |
| 04:23.19 | enouf | fires up KonqsOut |
| 04:23.29 | ReKlipz | JordiGH: it doesn't |
| 04:23.32 | enouf | JordiGH: DRM? |
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| 04:23.37 | ReKlipz | manufacturers are stupid |
| 04:23.46 | peterm | to everybody else, please correct me if i'm wrong but i belive to remeber it worked that way |
| 04:23.52 | click | enouf: blah :P |
| 04:23.54 | enouf | wow - heh - Crashed right away! |
| 04:23.58 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:24.01 | srart | JordiGH: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ |
| 04:24.02 | ReKlipz | actually, if they have code in there to refuse booting any other os than vista, then it would make a difference |
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| 04:24.23 | ReKlipz | hence, the reason they only have a vista bios |
| 04:24.25 | JordiGH | ReKlipz: Would Acer do that...? |
| 04:24.36 | ReKlipz | fuck if i know |
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| 04:24.43 | ReKlipz | wouldn't put it past m$ |
| 04:24.51 | click | enouf: and btw, found out how to roll it with xen : --arch i386 --subarch xen .... simple, once i found out |
| 04:25.13 | enouf | wow - heh - Crashed again! |
| 04:25.20 | enouf | click: wonderful |
| 04:25.26 | enouf | nobody cares anymore |
| 04:25.29 | JordiGH | I was joking, but would they really do that, the BIOS refuses to boot any OS but Vista? |
| 04:25.39 | Guerin | of course |
| 04:25.41 | heroxbd | peterm: Oh I see ... Server is serving a pile of internal hosts through NAT, so I have to open ip forwarding on it... |
| 04:25.43 | enouf | click: it all sucks ass |
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| 04:25.45 | Guerin | any other OS isn't trusted |
| 04:25.58 | Guerin | JordiGH: google `trusted computing' |
| 04:26.06 | enouf | !TPM |
| 04:26.13 | srart | JordiGH: not likely, but possible. Since you can boot a CD I kind of assume no. |
| 04:26.13 | enouf | er tcpa |
| 04:26.20 | enouf | that keep renaming it |
| 04:26.25 | enouf | to zz top songs |
| 04:26.34 | enouf | le grange and shit |
| 04:26.34 | ReKlipz | hehe |
| 04:26.43 | ReKlipz | enouf: you look like you got all of this under control |
| 04:26.44 | peterm | heroxbd, yes then he decides with his own routing tables how to forward the request - if it's not dropped or modified the ipchains or something |
| 04:26.48 | ReKlipz | i'm gonna bounce |
| 04:26.50 | JordiGH | There is evil in the air... |
| 04:26.56 | enouf | cool |
| 04:26.59 | ReKlipz | later all |
| 04:27.05 | enouf | laterz |
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| 04:27.44 | enouf | KonqsOut crashed twice in a row - couldn't even load the page - haha |
| 04:27.44 | heroxbd | peterm: I suppose ip forwarding is a global setting and can't be tweaked to specific interfaces? |
| 04:28.07 | JordiGH | Btw, guys... thanks for all the help. |
| 04:28.19 | enouf | root@sarge:~# pkill konqueror |
| 04:28.19 | enouf | root@sarge:~# pkill kio_http |
| 04:28.20 | peterm | no of course it's not global, forwarding in generall is between interfaces on the same host ;-) |
| 04:28.22 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:28.34 | peterm | heroxbd, i'm currently working with cisco systems in university and routing can be really frustrating so i share your distress ;-) |
| 04:29.00 | peterm | heroxbd, what kind of software did you use to configure forwarding? |
| 04:29.01 | JordiGH | Actually, let me see if I can make a bootable GRUB pendrive... |
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| 04:29.35 | enouf | hah - Disabling Animations and clearing cache helped |
| 04:29.43 | peterm | heroxbd, and again, whats your problem? is it that server a cannot talk to a servic on eth1 on server b or is it that server a gets confused by packages from the outside which ar forwarded to him? |
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| 04:29.50 | enouf | hahaha @ An error occurred while loading |
| 04:30.06 | enouf | fuck you eurotrash! :-P |
| 04:30.32 | heroxbd | peterm: I just echo 1 > ..xxx/ipv4_forwarding xxxx. and use iptables to set up NAT rules. |
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| 04:31.15 | heroxbd | server a cannot |
| 04:31.25 | srart | JordiGH: you don't have the ability to make a liveCD? |
| 04:31.46 | srart | feather or puppy will do liveCD or USB. |
| 04:31.47 | heroxbd | talk to a servic on eth1 on server b. |
| 04:32.34 | JordiGH | srart: I don't have the patience to download a livecd... |
| 04:32.35 | peterm | heroxbd, did you set up reverse rules so that server A can talk to the external net over server B? |
| 04:33.41 | srart | 128 MB http://featherlinux.berlios.de/download.htm unless your on dial up, not a big deal |
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| 04:33.50 | enouf | crashed agin - finally found the global crapsite |
| 04:34.19 | heroxbd | peterm: What do you mean by "reverse rules"? Add a route entry specifying that Srv B send packets via its ipXB? |
| 04:34.20 | enouf | grml.org == small == ~60MB |
| 04:34.32 | stoned | ahaha I built it! |
| 04:34.47 | stoned | what is grml? |
| 04:35.01 | stoned | hm. o |
| 04:35.12 | srart | sweet. |
| 04:35.24 | srart | haven't seen grml before. |
| 04:35.57 | stoned | sounds like a marklup language |
| 04:36.15 | JordiGH | srart: 128 is about 30 min of download. |
| 04:36.19 | stoned | i dunno like 'general listing markup lang' |
| 04:36.35 | enouf | JordiGH: ftp://ftp.work.acer-euro.com/notebook/aspire_5315/vista/Bios/ |
| 04:36.57 | enouf | 1.43 is the newest afaict |
| 04:37.15 | peterm | heroxbd, jup that's what i mean |
| 04:37.28 | enouf | then you have debirf |
| 04:37.33 | enouf | !debirf |
| 04:37.38 | JordiGH | enouf: Right, I need to boot Windows first. |
| 04:37.39 | enouf | oh crap - nada |
| 04:37.46 | enouf | JordiGH: no you don't |
| 04:38.03 | enouf | you extract it to a floppy |
| 04:38.18 | JordiGH | enouf: Where the hell am I gonna get a floppy? |
| 04:38.23 | srart | no floppy, remember. |
| 04:38.26 | enouf | or try the cd bios method ;-) |
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| 04:38.55 | enouf | http://www.bay-wolf.com/bootcd.htm |
| 04:39.04 | stoned | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:39.06 | enouf | try the punchcard reader |
| 04:39.08 | JordiGH | Look, just for sanity check, I want to boot the hard drive, once that's done, I'll try to see why the BIOS won't do it. |
| 04:39.53 | enouf | srart: no floppy what? |
| 04:40.00 | enouf | drive? diskette? |
| 04:40.02 | srart | JordiGH: |
| 04:41.32 | srart | JordiGH: download grml.org (60 MB) thanks to enouf. boot CD or USB with that and let us know whent it's up, or what error it gives. |
| 04:42.18 | JordiGH | srart: I really want to boot this hard drive right now... is that gonna help me do that? |
| 04:42.20 | srart | if you can get ot grub you can type in commands to get to windows, and then we can work on getting grub installed correctly. |
| 04:42.30 | srart | how are you gonna do that? |
| 04:42.36 | JordiGH | srart: With grub... |
| 04:42.54 | srart | ummm..... isn't that knid of the problem? |
| 04:43.22 | JordiGH | Okay, let me try that. 60 megs... this is gonna take a while. I'll try to keep figuring out how to boot from usb pendrive in the meantime. |
| 04:44.20 | srart | can you get to the bios? F1, F11, F12, DEL are all common keys to et to it. F8 is less common, and there may be wierder ones out there. |
| 04:44.20 | JordiGH | srart: Uhh... did you move a decimal point? That's a 600+ meg download. |
| 04:44.25 | liable | JordiGH: the eee installer you can use for rescue mode? |
| 04:44.31 | JordiGH | srart: I can get to the bios. |
| 04:44.53 | JordiGH | liable: I have an ordinary etchnhalf installer... I can get to rescue mode... but I don't know how to boot the hard drive with it. |
| 04:45.16 | JordiGH | srart: I can't get the BIOS to boot the hard drive. As far as I can tell, it doesn't even try (i.e. the LED for the hard drive never lights) |
| 04:45.23 | liable | JordiGH: you cant boot it, but you can chroot from it |
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| 04:45.44 | chrisn2323 | does anyone here use the win32 loader to install debian? |
| 04:45.44 | liable | s/from it/into it/ |
| 04:45.46 | JordiGH | liable: Sure, I can chroot it... and then what? |
| 04:45.56 | chrisn2323 | how could i install with wireless? |
| 04:46.02 | liable | dunno, whats the issue? |
| 04:46.08 | liable | just walked in |
| 04:46.12 | srart | I took enouf at his word, didn't check. Featherlinux is 128. |
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| 04:47.03 | JordiGH | liable: Issue is that the BIOS isn't booting the hard drive, although as far as we can tell, the hard drive has the right stage1 grub in it. Before that I tried to install grub2 which failed, so I don't know if grub2 messed up something badly. There are suggestions that the BIOS needs to be reflashed, but I can't see how to reflash it without booting to Windows. |
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| 04:47.27 | slava | is it a bad idea to set up an smtp server to allow relaying mail for connections from localhost? |
| 04:47.43 | liable | JordiGH: cant chroot and reinstall grub and see if it boots? |
| 04:47.46 | chrisn2323 | y not boot into windows JordiGH ... |
| 04:48.00 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: I can't boot the hard drive at all... |
| 04:48.07 | chrisn2323 | is it corrupt? |
| 04:48.15 | chrisn2323 | or is there an error |
| 04:48.17 | JordiGH | liable: I tried that, looks like it installs fine, BIOS still won't boot it. |
| 04:48.20 | srart | if you can get a grub command prompt we can get it to go, I'm quite sure. |
| 04:48.33 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: The only error is that the BIOS doesn't think the hdd is bootable or doesn't try to boot it. |
| 04:48.44 | srart | the MBR being clobbered makes that no system disk error come up. |
| 04:48.48 | liable | sounds fun.. |
| 04:48.50 | chrisn2323 | JordiGH, get ur xp disk, boot from that, get into a console, then execute command fixmbr |
| 04:49.05 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: Why would I have an xp disk? |
| 04:49.11 | chrisn2323 | u hav windows |
| 04:49.15 | chrisn2323 | well w/e ur windows is |
| 04:49.38 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: It's vista. I don't have a disk. |
| 04:49.49 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: The laptop was a gift. |
| 04:49.54 | chrisn2323 | oh |
| 04:50.00 | chrisn2323 | u mite want to download windows |
| 04:50.03 | chrisn2323 | and burn a disk |
| 04:50.05 | chrisn2323 | so you can do it |
| 04:50.15 | enouf | JordiGH: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1298788 |
| 04:50.15 | chrisn2323 | u would need another computer tho |
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| 04:50.23 | JordiGH | That's more bandwidth than downloading a Linux livecd. |
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| 04:50.37 | srart | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/index.php?pid=7 USB supergrub disk. |
| 04:50.45 | chrisn2323 | JordiGH, http://www.arsgeek.com/2008/01/15/how-to-fix-your-windows-mbr-with-an-ubuntu-livecd/ |
| 04:50.47 | enouf | JordiGH: you have EFI |
| 04:50.48 | JordiGH | enouf: I saw that, what am I supposed to do with it? |
| 04:50.48 | enouf | BIOS CORE Version ................ Insyde EFI 2.0 |
| 04:51.15 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: An Ubuntu livecd is 600 megs. Too much bandwidth. |
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| 04:51.31 | chrisn2323 | do you have another live cd JordiGH |
| 04:51.40 | srart | that has how to install http://forjamari.linex.org/frs/download.php/1111/super_grub_disk_english_usb_0.9764.tar.gz is the file, is less than 1 MB |
| 04:52.10 | chrisn2323 | JordiGH, wut u mean too much bandwidth |
| 04:52.29 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: 600 megs is gonna take 3 or 4 hours to download here. Not worth it. |
| 04:52.42 | chrisn2323 | worth it iff your computer will run... |
| 04:52.54 | chrisn2323 | neway |
| 04:52.59 | chrisn2323 | use another live cd to do it |
| 04:53.02 | chrisn2323 | u dun need ubuntu |
| 04:53.23 | chrisn2323 | can i use the debain win32 installer with a wireless network? |
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| 04:54.47 | JordiGH | chrisn2323: No offense, but you aren't being helpful. Sorry. I guess you just came in late and don't know the history. I already have other people helping me, and thanks anyways. |
| 04:54.59 | chrisn2323 | ok |
| 04:55.01 | enouf | holy crap - look at ALL those BIOS fixes!!! |
| 04:55.07 | enouf | What a POS! |
| 04:55.49 | DavidProck1981 | what is the deal with iceweasle and firefox rename , i cant get flash to work on the aka iceweasle |
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| 04:57.48 | enouf | srart: if his PC is using EFI, i think he needs rEFIt .. not sure |
| 04:57.56 | Gr33n3gg | Where is modprobe.conf in Debian? |
| 04:58.09 | enouf | Gr33n3gg: it's not |
| 04:58.20 | enouf | Gr33n3gg: use /etc/modprobe.d/anyfilename |
| 04:58.32 | Gr33n3gg | Right, thanks. |
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| 04:59.43 | enouf | Gr33n3gg: careful, if you create and use a /etc/modprobe.conf, you'll be in tears wondering why blacklisting the debian way doesn't work - so best not to even have a file named modules.conf nor modprobe.conf |
| 05:00.07 | Gr33n3gg | Ah alright. |
| 05:00.15 | Gr33n3gg | Hmm, just trying to get the external monitor to work... |
| 05:00.39 | JordiGH | enouf: Where did you see EFI? |
| 05:01.08 | enouf | [23:48:42] <enouf> BIOS CORE Version ................ Insyde EFI 2.0 |
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| 05:02.06 | JordiGH | enouf: So you're pretty sure the BIOS is bad, eh? |
| 05:02.19 | enouf | no, just mismanaged ;-) |
| 05:02.31 | srart | EFI, fuck. |
| 05:02.31 | enouf | might be bad now ... though |
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| 05:02.47 | enouf | who knows what you did to it |
| 05:03.04 | enouf | !macbook |
| 05:03.04 | dpkg | methinks macbook is http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook or now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse |
| 05:03.17 | enouf | there's info there about rEFIt and shit |
| 05:03.26 | enouf | iirc |
| 05:03.38 | JordiGH | Each Debian install is a learning experience... |
| 05:03.40 | srart | grub2 |
| 05:03.46 | JordiGH | I hope my brother realises how much I love him. |
| 05:03.56 | enouf | that's why we were getting all those Apple related hits |
| 05:04.03 | JordiGH | "For he so loved his brother that he gave him an allnighter and his only son, Debian, on his laptop." |
| 05:04.31 | enouf | * Package grub-efi: BTS http://bugs.debian.org/grub-efi |
| 05:05.07 | iShock | If I wanted to point a domain to my debian box, I'd use the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 05:05.11 | JordiGH | THERE |
| 05:05.16 | JordiGH | BOOTED THE DAMN HARD DRIVE |
| 05:05.18 | JordiGH | FUCK. |
| 05:05.26 | srart | really |
| 05:05.34 | JordiGH | Yeah, with the disk you gave me. |
| 05:05.35 | srart | fuck what? |
| 05:05.37 | JordiGH | It's all there. |
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| 05:05.46 | JordiGH | I just had to put an expletive there for no reason. |
| 05:05.48 | iShock | If I wanted to point a domain to my debian box, I'd use the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 05:05.54 | enouf | the d-i lso booted |
| 05:06.03 | enouf | booting CDs was never an issue |
| 05:06.06 | Gr33n3gg | iShock: Wouldn't it be /etc/hosts ? |
| 05:06.08 | srart | install grub from the CD |
| 05:06.12 | enouf | no |
| 05:06.13 | JordiGH | enouf: srart gave me a grub cd that booted the hard drive. |
| 05:06.28 | srart | if not that one we'll find an EFI grub install. |
| 05:06.28 | enouf | grub-efi is only in backports and lenny/sid |
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| 05:06.33 | iShock | Gr33n3gg: Dunno, that's why im askin |
| 05:06.39 | Gr33n3gg | ermm sorry |
| 05:06.47 | enouf | judd: versions grub-efi |
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| 05:06.47 | Gr33n3gg | iShock: It is /etc/hosts/ I have two domains under mine. |
| 05:06.48 | judd | enouf: grub-efi -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-12 sid: 1.96+20080724-12 experimental: 1.96+20081201-1 |
| 05:07.04 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grub-efi |
| 05:07.11 | iShock | Gr33n3gg: So I'm supposed to point my domain to 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 05:07.12 | iShock | .. |
| 05:07.30 | Gr33n3gg | iShock: No, I have it it point to my external IP then the nameserer. |
| 05:07.31 | enouf | oh, it's amd64 only in backports.org |
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| 05:07.46 | enouf | judd: versions grub-efi --arch amd64 |
| 05:07.46 | judd | enouf: grub-efi -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2 lenny: 1.96+20080724-12 sid: 1.96+20080724-12 experimental: 1.96+20081201-1 |
| 05:07.49 | iShock | enouf, what nameservers would I use to point a domain to my box? |
| 05:07.57 | Gr33n3gg | iShock: So like: 12.34.56.78 ns1.example.com |
| 05:08.09 | cloudmask | with etch and gnome i used to press ctrl+shift+numbers to put characters by ascii code... it doesn't work anymore with lenny.. why? |
| 05:08.12 | enouf | iShock: ask your ISP provider |
| 05:08.15 | iShock | I don't have an ns1.boobies.com or anything Gr33n3gg .. |
| 05:08.18 | JordiGH | Okay, wait... what's going on... You guys are figuring out stuff I haven't yet. What's this EFI thing, why does my BIOS have it, can I get rid of it, and do I need a different grub? |
| 05:08.31 | JordiGH | enouf: srart ^^ |
| 05:08.31 | iShock | enouf: Not the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 05:08.32 | Gr33n3gg | iShock: Use dnsexit.com |
| 05:08.34 | srart | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grub-efi |
| 05:08.43 | enouf | JordiGH: i'm following info i found on the Macbook wiki page |
| 05:08.59 | Gr33n3gg | iShock: get a DNS from them, use their nameservers and point your domain to dnsexit.com's nameservers. |
| 05:09.02 | srart | get the one you want, then sudo dpkg -i grub2-efi |
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| 05:09.06 | Gr33n3gg | If that makes sense... |
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| 05:09.28 | srart | good find enouf |
| 05:09.29 | iShock | Gr33n3gg: It doesn't. |
| 05:09.34 | JordiGH | srart: Okay... get grub-efi from backports, boot into Debian, install it? |
| 05:09.57 | enouf | iShock: i think you want maybe bind and/or /etc/nsswitch.conf and friends |
| 05:09.59 | srart | you already booted into debain didn't you? |
| 05:10.10 | JordiGH | srart: Yes. |
| 05:10.13 | enouf | iShock: iand/or /etc/nslookup ? |
| 05:10.20 | srart | install it hot, it'll do it's thing |
| 05:10.28 | JordiGH | srart: Wait, no. I first booted into Vista... made sure all of my brother's things are intact. They are. Whew! |
| 05:10.33 | iShock | enouf: nslookup doesn't exit |
| 05:10.34 | cloudmask | how do i put characters by ascii code in lenny? like ctrl+shift+<numbers>... |
| 05:10.35 | iShock | Exist |
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| 05:11.12 | enouf | dnsutils: /usr/bin/nslookup |
| 05:11.12 | enouf | dnsutils: /usr/share/man/man1/nslookup.1.gz |
| 05:11.12 | JordiGH | Oy, looks like grub-efi is only backported for amd64.. |
| 05:11.33 | enouf | FILES |
| 05:11.33 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.33 | srart | yeah, go into debian then, shouldn't be a problem, we'll wait. :-) |
| 05:11.36 | enouf | heh |
| 05:11.50 | srart | what kind of proc do you have/ |
| 05:11.51 | enouf | BIND9 Jun 30, 2000 NSLOOKUP(1) |
| 05:12.20 | enouf | srart: merom, iinm - it's all in my pastebin |
| 05:12.32 | iShock | enouf: WHAT? |
| 05:12.43 | enouf | CPUs Supported ................ Intel Merom,Merom-Lite |
| 05:12.50 | enouf | what? |
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| 05:13.09 | JordiGH | Eh, X won't start now... I'll look into that later. Okay, I'm in Debian... I'll have to do my own backport of grub-efi, eh? |
| 05:13.42 | enouf | JordiGH: or, upgrade to Lenny and use lenny |
| 05:13.45 | srart | JordiGH: you have an Intel Memrom? |
| 05:14.00 | JordiGH | srart: How do I check? |
| 05:14.08 | JordiGH | enouf: I'll stick to etch for as long as possible... |
| 05:14.11 | enouf | dmesg, cpuinfo |
| 05:14.20 | enouf | JordiGH: why? |
| 05:14.28 | enouf | JordiGH: for a Craptop? |
| 05:14.32 | enouf | wt4x! |
| 05:14.35 | JordiGH | enouf: Yes, for my brother. |
| 05:14.38 | enouf | no |
| 05:14.52 | enouf | Lenny is actually in better shape than etch atm |
| 05:14.53 | JordiGH | enouf: lenny isn't stable enough for my taste. I don't want to see a crash. Ever. |
| 05:15.05 | enouf | too bad - all PCs crash :-P |
| 05:15.14 | Gr33n3gg | PC == Windows. |
| 05:15.14 | JordiGH | enouf: lenny has been crashing. I haven't seen etch crash. |
| 05:15.16 | srart | JordiGH cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:15.25 | enouf | JordiGH: on which machine!? |
| 05:15.34 | enouf | JordiGH: not on THAT one |
| 05:15.45 | enouf | according to you |
| 05:15.49 | JordiGH | enouf: On the one I'm using right now. OpenGL makes this thing crash right now. Hard. |
| 05:15.57 | JordiGH | enouf: It's an RC bug... one moment... |
| 05:16.16 | JordiGH | enouf: #509691 |
| 05:16.19 | enouf | Video ................ ATI M71M,M76M,N-vida NB8M,NB8M-SE,NB8M-GS,NB8P-GS,Intel |
| 05:16.22 | enouf | hahahaha |
| 05:16.30 | enouf | good luck |
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| 05:16.56 | JordiGH | srart: I don't see anything about memrom in there. "grep -i memrom" returns blank. |
| 05:17.05 | enouf | ... |
| 05:17.07 | enouf | !!! |
| 05:17.07 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 05:17.16 | enouf | MEROM . not MEMROM |
| 05:17.38 | enouf | just CAT THE FUCKER |
| 05:17.44 | JordiGH | Also blank. |
| 05:17.45 | enouf | stop with your grep ass |
| 05:17.48 | JordiGH | No merom. |
| 05:17.58 | JordiGH | I did cat it, I did a visual grep, it's no there. |
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| 05:18.11 | enouf | wonderful - is you mother there? |
| 05:18.45 | enouf | maybe your daddy? |
| 05:19.56 | enouf | (sorry about the silly reference - i mean no harm if i accidentally stirred up any emotions or anything ) |
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| 05:20.23 | enouf | but really .. it's not A ... is it B? .. is it C? maybe it's X |
| 05:20.40 | JordiGH | Okay.. I see why I can't run X... it looks like I fucked up /tmp somehow when I chrooted. |
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| 05:22.37 | monzie | I am a new lenny user |
| 05:22.43 | monzie | I cant find firefox in the repos |
| 05:22.47 | monzie | How do I install it? |
| 05:23.02 | monzie | I know I could download it from the site. But I wanted to apt-get it |
| 05:23.07 | Guerin | monzie: iceweasel |
| 05:23.45 | monzie | Guerin, Can I use my firefox plugins in iceweasel as well? |
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| 05:24.10 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.28 | JordiGH | monzie: Iceweasel is Firefox, just a name change, but all the code is identical. |
| 05:24.30 | enouf | merom is a inside / core name |
| 05:24.34 | JordiGH | (Or practically identical) |
| 05:24.42 | JordiGH | enouf: It's an Intel Celeron. |
| 05:24.56 | monzie | goes to install Google Notebook inside Iceweasel |
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| 05:25.47 | enouf | http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ306.htm |
| 05:26.17 | JordiGH | Alright, what's wrong with my /tmp? |
| 05:26.43 | JordiGH | Why does ls show that I have a /tmp/.X11-unix but if I try to cd into it says "no such file or directory"? |
| 05:26.55 | JordiGH | Do I have to fsck this filesystem? |
| 05:28.59 | JordiGH | wtf... |
| 05:29.20 | enouf | JordiGH: stat /tmp | grep Access |
| 05:29.23 | JordiGH | Okay, whatEVER the hell happened, looks like the CD grub loader did something and now the BIOS happily boots the hard drive. |
| 05:29.41 | JordiGH | So now I just have to fix this /tmp problem, so that I can get X back. |
| 05:29.58 | enouf | Access: (1777/drwxrwxrwt) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
| 05:30.26 | enouf | talk about smoke and mirrors eh? |
| 05:31.26 | JordiGH | This has been a very weird night... |
| 05:32.18 | JordiGH | enouf: What am I looking for? I get the same thing as yours... |
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| 05:33.47 | enouf | then, if you can't cd /tmp - your FS needs a good fscking |
| 05:33.47 | spionlala | does anyone have an idea how i would go about in making the lower windowbar in gnome unpassable ? i want to be unable to move a window under the windowbar |
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| 05:34.13 | JordiGH | spionlala: Depends on your wm. metacity? |
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| 05:34.40 | spionlala | JordiGH, i get it in metacity and compiz, i would be happy about any solution |
| 05:35.15 | JordiGH | spionlala: I'm pretty sure I've seen the option somewhere in compiz... but maybe only for the top. |
| 05:35.44 | spionlala | mmm ill scan thru the compiz options again |
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| 05:41.20 | JordiGH | spionlala: The move plugin has "constrain y", but that only seems to work for the top with me. |
| 05:42.30 | spionlala | idd |
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| 05:43.01 | spionlala | i think thats because it actually takes the position of the mouse cursor |
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| 05:43.22 | spionlala | when i pick the window on top i can move it way down until it hits the cursor |
| 05:43.30 | spionlala | when i pick it at the bottom, same thing :) |
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| 05:45.33 | chuck | Hello, where is $LANG and family set for bash? |
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| 05:49.45 | JordiGH | YAY, GOT A WORKING DEBIAN INSTALL. |
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| 05:50.02 | JordiGH | (note to self: don't chroot then run X as root in the chroot) |
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| 05:53.19 | Dewi | in the old-fashioned x-windows where mousing over things acquires focus, is there some way to do that using the keyboard? |
| 05:53.42 | JordiGH | Dewi: alt-tab? |
| 05:53.55 | Dewi | JordiGH: didn't work |
| 05:54.04 | JordiGH | Dewi: What wm are you using? |
| 05:54.18 | enouf | kde control center |
| 05:54.37 | Dewi | I'm not sure, it's some basic minimal environment |
| 05:54.42 | Dewi | don't worry, I'll just go find a mouse :P |
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| 05:57.01 | JordiGH | Dewi: Probably twm... |
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| 06:02.58 | linux_stu | is there anything like ipconfig, dhcpcd, dhclient3, or any such network tool that comes in a default base + desktop environment install of debian? |
| 06:03.17 | linux_stu | i have it running in a vm, and i would like some tools to diagnose the network problem |
| 06:04.38 | linux_stu | oh nevermind :) |
| 06:05.05 | linux_stu | forgot that tab completion on commands only available to root must be prefaces by 'sudo' in order to appear |
| 06:05.16 | linux_stu | my usual previous distro wasn't like that |
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| 06:06.41 | stoned | enouf, ping |
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| 06:07.17 | Firestarter- | anyone use a sierra 881 wireless card in linux? |
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| 06:08.42 | Firestarter- | back |
| 06:09.54 | Guerin | !anyone use a sierra 881 wireless card in linux? |
| 06:09.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses a sierra 881 wireless card in linux, not even the people who use it. |
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| 06:10.21 | linux_stu | anyone know why i can access google through firefox in my virtualized os, yet i get 100% packet loss when i try to ping it? |
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| 06:12.02 | enouf | you have icmp_ping disabled? |
| 06:12.35 | linux_stu | where would that be enouf? pretty much everything i have is vanilla |
| 06:12.51 | enouf | ~$ sysctl -a 2>/dev/null | grep -i icmp |
| 06:13.48 | enouf | Vm NICs are silly, so |
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| 06:16.37 | linux_stu | enouf, there are about 6 lines displayed after that command, but none is icmp_ping |
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| 06:22.37 | monzie | I have got a collection of avi |
| 06:22.56 | monzie | avi files which I want to burn as a proper Video DVD. Which application would let me do that? |
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| 06:24.09 | mns | What do people use for generating web galleries ? |
| 06:28.17 | JordiGH | mns: f-spot, kamorama... |
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| 06:28.24 | JordiGH | Er, kamera |
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| 06:29.44 | enouf | linux_stu: i know |
| 06:30.03 | JordiGH | This is great fun... now to get sound and wireless working... |
| 06:30.10 | JordiGH | Maybe I should just go to sleep. |
| 06:30.13 | linux_stu | enouf, ok |
| 06:30.15 | enouf | linux_stu: google what net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all = 1 does |
| 06:30.56 | shintaro | Im using Elive which is a Debian fork, Im wondering if I should choose ESD or ALSA for sound on my laptop? |
| 06:30.57 | enouf | linux_stu: i'm not sure though .. maybe try #networking or whatever #VM-channel you're using |
| 06:30.58 | linux_stu | it's mentioned under a forum post for disabling ping |
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| 06:31.33 | linux_stu | enouf, i am creating a new vm with lenny instead of etch, so i kind of ignored that problem... |
| 06:31.37 | mns | JordiGH: no, not that sort of an application. Something that will generate static web galleries, like say lazygal or webmagick. |
| 06:32.19 | JordiGH | mns: kamera generates static web galleries... I'm pretty sure f-spot does too. |
| 06:34.01 | mns | I need something more "light weight" then those two. |
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| 06:34.37 | legis | feh? |
| 06:34.53 | JordiGH | mns: You're not running Gnome or KDE? |
| 06:36.24 | JordiGH | mns: apt-cache search gallery |
| 06:37.23 | mns | JordiGH: no, I don't run GNOME or KDE. |
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| 06:43.40 | mhymn | monzie: try k3b |
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| 06:50.50 | enouf | monzie: avidemux? |
| 06:52.00 | enouf | er http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/avi-to-dvd-with-ffmpeg-and-dvdauthor/ |
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| 06:56.49 | enouf | actually AVI is a container - likely DIVX or XVID codecs |
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| 07:00.32 | enouf | i've been toying with http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html a little - in dmm repos |
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| 07:00.44 | paulfm | evening all |
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| 07:01.28 | paulfm | Can someone please tell me how to find what app is running on port 21 on my machine. I dont have any ftp servers running that I know of |
| 07:01.42 | stoned | enouf, what happened to ##linux? |
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| 07:03.44 | mhymn | paulfm: lsof -i -n | grep 21 |
| 07:03.59 | paulfm | myhymn: thanks - trying it |
| 07:04.09 | enouf | stoned: what happened to it? |
| 07:04.11 | paulfm | mhymn: thanks - trying it :-) |
| 07:04.16 | mhymn | np |
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| 07:04.50 | akitada | I've been using Debian stable for a long time as my personal server, which is my devbox and hosts wiki, blog, trac, etc. I've been happy with it but, as often said, some packages on stable is too old. Because I don't mix up multiple releases into a box, I'm thinking to upgrade to testing or unstable. Is there anyone using testing/unstable for your personal server? I'd like to hear the choices you made and your story. |
| 07:04.59 | stoned | enouf, how come youre not in it |
| 07:05.26 | akitada | BTW, Python and its modules are the packages I want to have on my box. |
| 07:07.00 | tjtag | akitada: I have been running testing "Lenny" since etch was released, maybe two problems - simple and easy to fix, seesm very stable to me |
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| 07:07.17 | tjtag | and on X64 |
| 07:07.35 | vsayikiran | can anyone explain me how does logrotate work |
| 07:08.01 | enouf | stoned: i'm busy |
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| 07:10.02 | paulfm | mhymn: any idea how to see whats accepting port 21 connections.... when nothing is in the lsof command... /etc/inet.d is empty... but I think when 21 gets a connection something launches? |
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| 07:10.31 | enouf | paulfm: netstat -tunap as root |
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| 07:10.51 | enouf | install a firewall, or ... tripwire, or whatever that other one is |
| 07:11.06 | paulfm | enouf: thanks |
| 07:11.23 | akitada | tjtag: I heard "testing" is sometimes bad choice even than unstable, because it takes a little while to get security fixes being arrived. Is that correct? |
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| 07:12.39 | mhymn | vsayikiran: its manpage? |
| 07:13.41 | tjtag | akitada: Its true that they do not update security as a normal course in testing, because it is testing |
| 07:14.34 | tjtag | akitada: But like I said, I have been running it since etch, no problems to speak of |
| 07:14.39 | Guerin | akitada: this hasn't been so true recently - there is now a testiong-security process similar to that for stable, though I don't know how close it is |
| 07:14.52 | Guerin | akitada: see security.debian.org for more details |
| 07:14.53 | stoned | Guerin, hola |
| 07:14.59 | stoned | good saturday morning |
| 07:15.01 | Guerin | stoned: kia ora |
| 07:15.03 | tjtag | akitada: also it will be Lenny at any time "I hope" |
| 07:15.04 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search intrusion detect |
| 07:15.10 | stoned | Guerin, I told you many times |
| 07:15.16 | stoned | Guerin, Kya Ho Raha Hai? |
| 07:15.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:15.24 | stoned | Guerin, you are saying it too fast |
| 07:15.39 | akitada | oh, will Lenny release be near? great |
| 07:15.41 | Guerin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_ora |
| 07:15.53 | enouf | Key Ahura? |
| 07:15.57 | stoned | oh |
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| 07:16.31 | stoned | in Urdu "Kya ho ra ey" (kyaorai)(kii ho ria he) etc. etc. means whats going on |
| 07:16.49 | stoned | well urdu/punjabi |
| 07:17.29 | tjtag | akitada, hopefully soon, it all depends on what you want to do, Im on the edge a liitle, like it that way |
| 07:18.07 | tjtag | akitada: X64 ext4 grub2 2.6.28 |
| 07:18.09 | Guerin | !lenny pool 1 |
| 07:18.09 | dpkg | somebody said lenny pool 1 was ! rektide=2008-08-21 themill=2008-12-01 dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 |
| 07:18.23 | Guerin | that's peoples' predictions up there ^ |
| 07:18.42 | cydork | dammit i lost again.. oh well.. |
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| 07:18.57 | Guerin | cydork: many have fallen by that particular wayside |
| 07:19.17 | Guerin | i made my prediction about a month after etch released, thinking it was hopelessly pessimistic :) |
| 07:19.35 | cydork | Guerin, things were looking good back then.. |
| 07:19.48 | akitada | Considering going Sid must be a one-way-ticket, no way back to stable, I think I should better off to go with Lenny, then. |
| 07:19.48 | Guerin | weren't thay |
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| 07:20.05 | enouf | bets Lenny will release in 2009 :-P |
| 07:20.07 | Guerin | akitada: yes. |
| 07:21.06 | tjtag | akitada: even when its released, I prefer to stay in testing, never had any problems, personal choice |
| 07:21.28 | tjtag | Lenny, is looking very nice |
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| 07:21.44 | akitada | I've made my mind to go with Lenny, then. Thanks guys for advices :) |
| 07:22.18 | tjtag | Good for you |
| 07:22.39 | stoned | akitada, you have made your mind |
| 07:22.40 | deadcat_ | i have a laptop but i cant boot anything to install debian on it.. the only way i can think of is take the drive out and install it in then put it back. what do i use? i dont have another laptop or cable adapter. chroot/debootstrap? |
| 07:22.45 | enouf | tjtag: the tsunamai is building though :-) |
| 07:22.56 | stoned | deadcat_, what u got right now |
| 07:23.00 | stoned | deadcat_, you got a cd drive? |
| 07:23.09 | stoned | deadcat_, you got an os on it already by any chance? |
| 07:23.13 | deadcat_ | stoned: the laptop has usb, but it doesnt boot usb |
| 07:23.14 | tjtag | enouf: what do you mean ? |
| 07:23.15 | stoned | deadcat_, floppy disk? |
| 07:23.21 | stoned | deadcat_, you got an os on it ? |
| 07:23.25 | deadcat_ | stoned: i removed the windows os that came with |
| 07:23.28 | enouf | ya know, the one which happens to testing once lenny is released as stable |
| 07:23.37 | stoned | deadcat_, should never do that |
| 07:23.50 | stoned | always have an os on it until you get other os installed fully |
| 07:23.56 | stoned | always always |
| 07:23.57 | deadcat_ | )= |
| 07:24.03 | tjtag | enouf: I will be watching :) |
| 07:24.07 | stoned | but anyway lets see |
| 07:24.10 | stoned | you have a serial port? |
| 07:24.25 | deadcat_ | stoned: no. its a dell latitude without the docking station |
| 07:24.37 | stoned | oh jee |
| 07:24.55 | deadcat_ | debootstrap is the only want i can think of, but i dont know what to do with the grub part |
| 07:25.08 | stoned | how are you going to debootstrap it? |
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| 07:25.14 | stoned | take out the hdd? |
| 07:25.35 | deadcat_ | i have a usb encloser for laptop hdd |
| 07:26.03 | stoned | so you're good to go then |
| 07:26.43 | deadcat_ | stoned: i did the debootstrap, but i need to install grub right? |
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| 07:27.01 | stoned | just create partition, format, install grub on its mbr, make a directory, install grub in it, put debian installer netboot kernel/ramdisk |
| 07:27.17 | stoned | or use hd-media installer with an iso on the same fs |
| 07:27.43 | stoned | well if you already debootstrapped it then just install grub then |
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| 07:30.31 | paulfm | can someone please tell me why I see port 21 open when I do a remote portscan on my machine... but a local scan doesnt show 21 open? |
| 07:30.48 | click | paulfm: localhost vs external ip ? |
| 07:31.07 | paulfm | click: yes |
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| 07:34.10 | enouf | lsof -i udp -n ? |
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| 07:34.25 | paulfm | enouf: thanks |
| 07:34.27 | enouf | what port scanner? |
| 07:34.32 | paulfm | nmap |
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| 07:35.09 | enouf | how do you mean remote? from outside your LAN? |
| 07:35.17 | paulfm | I see port 21 open on my machines... but I have no ftp installed. localhost nmap shows no p 21 open, remote nmap scan shows it optn. Telnet to 21 opens the connection and then closes it right away |
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| 07:35.39 | paulfm | enouf: yes - scan from a machine on a different network |
| 07:35.42 | enouf | sneaky |
| 07:35.51 | click | humhum ... are you sure that it's not your DSL-router or similar? |
| 07:36.03 | paulfm | enouf: sneaky? |
| 07:36.37 | click | paulfm: are you behind a router? |
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| 07:37.06 | enouf | kill all access with iptables - maybe fail2ban can help too - try those listed in ~$ apt-cache search intrusion detect |
| 07:37.18 | paulfm | click: well the machines im talking about are behind a router.. Im ssh'd into them |
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| 07:37.28 | click | ... |
| 07:37.46 | click | enouf: most probably his routers configport responding :/ |
| 07:38.09 | paulfm | hmm |
| 07:38.09 | tjtag | click: yes, and or port forwared to his machine |
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| 07:38.44 | paulfm | click: well when I say they are behind a router - Im talking about a router from my ISP - these machines are at a colo |
| 07:39.01 | stoned | is there a reason why frostwire is not in debian? |
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| 07:39.15 | stoned | i hope its only that no one bothered to pack it yet |
| 07:39.18 | stoned | and nothing else |
| 07:39.22 | paulfm | port 21 never used to show uw |
| 07:39.48 | paulfm | enouf: was this for me: "kill all access with iptables - maybe fail2ban can help too - try those listed in ~$ apt-cache search intrusion detect" |
| 07:39.56 | tjtag | paulfm: how are you connected to your ISP ? |
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| 07:40.16 | enouf | paulfm: you didn't alter ssh to run on 21 instead of 22 or another did you? :-p |
| 07:40.19 | bullgard4 | "On some operating systems, netstat -b lists sockets created by application programs." What is the Debian equivalent to 'netstat -b'? |
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| 07:40.32 | paulfm | enouf: heh.. nope |
| 07:40.35 | paulfm | nice try though |
| 07:40.44 | enouf | bullgard4: lsof lists unix sockets |
| 07:41.03 | paulfm | tjtag: Im at home - on a cable modem |
| 07:41.39 | paulfm | when I portscan my remote machine I see port 21 open. shen I ssh into that remote machine and do a "nmap localhost" port 21 is not open |
| 07:41.42 | enouf | bullgard4: i don't know what -b shows in other OSes |
| 07:41.59 | enouf | there is no -b in GNU version, afaict |
| 07:42.18 | paulfm | I never used to see 21 open before. And to add to the chaos port 554 shows open too... |
| 07:42.20 | bullgard4 | enouf: 'netstat -an' also lists sockets. -- netstat -b lists sockets created by application programs. |
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| 07:44.22 | enouf | bullgard4: applications open both network sockets and unix sockets - which sockets do you mean? |
| 07:44.50 | enouf | i presume network ones - since it's "netstat" |
| 07:45.09 | enouf | i should have .. though i didn't in my lsof response |
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| 07:45.11 | JordiGH | *sigh* I give up... |
| 07:45.21 | JordiGH | No sound, compiz won't work, no wireless... |
| 07:45.25 | JordiGH | Fine. |
| 07:45.27 | JordiGH | I'll go for lenny. |
| 07:45.46 | enouf | bullgard4: and yes, netstat -an does also list unix sockets - i forgot |
| 07:46.15 | JordiGH | torrents the lenny DVD. |
| 07:46.20 | JordiGH | Wow, lots of seeders. |
| 07:46.41 | enouf | twists JordiGH 's arm |
| 07:47.36 | stoned | always seeding from the debian servers |
| 07:47.45 | stoned | torrent has file across all mirrors |
| 07:48.04 | stoned | you get chunks from all the high speed mirrors + all the users downloading that at same time |
| 07:48.16 | enouf | alrighty - let's take a poll to see how much CRAP and BLOAT y'all got running ;-) |
| 07:48.18 | stoned | so if you have a really fat pipe you can suck more |
| 07:48.30 | stoned | uhm |
| 07:48.33 | enouf | ~$ sudo netstat -an | wc -l |
| 07:48.34 | enouf | 145 |
| 07:48.34 | stoned | wait, that didn't sound right |
| 07:48.59 | stoned | stoned@desktop 0.22 /home/stoned/tmp 3 files using 312k |
| 07:48.59 | stoned | $>netstat -an | wc -l |
| 07:49.00 | stoned | 310 |
| 07:49.00 | JordiGH | I think pipes, sucking, big, fat, and stoned all go very well in the same sentence. |
| 07:49.11 | stoned | ;) |
| 07:49.27 | enouf | shares his big fat pipr |
| 07:49.28 | JordiGH | Wow, 5 DVDs for lenny? |
| 07:49.30 | enouf | er pipe |
| 07:49.32 | JordiGH | etch was 3 DVDs. |
| 07:49.55 | stoned | there was a time when MS office came on a set of 49 floppy disks. |
| 07:49.59 | stoned | 29 |
| 07:50.04 | enouf | 42! |
| 07:50.05 | stoned | + boot disk |
| 07:50.15 | stoned | 1.44 high destiny |
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| 07:50.20 | bullgard4 | enouf: I was curious what Internet sockets my application programs might have established. |
| 07:50.24 | stoned | 29+1 = 30 floppies |
| 07:50.38 | stoned | man netstat |
| 07:50.42 | enouf | .dmx crap or something 1.7x M each |
| 07:50.50 | stoned | what is a dmx |
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| 07:52.14 | enouf | distributable microshaft xsomething-perhaps |
| 07:52.15 | JordiGH | stoned: Must be great fun when floppy 48 turns out to be scratched and you can't complete the installation at all. |
| 07:52.31 | stoned | oh yeh that sucked balls |
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| 07:53.46 | enouf | er dmf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_Media_Format |
| 07:55.48 | enouf | bullgard4: ok |
| 07:56.18 | stoned | yes yes |
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| 07:56.52 | vsayikiran | mhymn: i read the manpages of logrotate |
| 07:57.13 | tjtag | JordiGH: only nee the first dvd |
| 07:57.40 | stoned | yes |
| 07:57.48 | stoned | !cd contents |
| 07:57.48 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 07:57.49 | JordiGH | tjtag: The first CD, really, but I figure I'll probably want most of the things in the first DVD as well. |
| 07:57.52 | stoned | !popcon |
| 07:57.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 07:58.07 | stoned | yes |
| 07:58.36 | stoned | first cd yes |
| 07:58.39 | JordiGH | I always get the best downloads from Sweden when torrenting. |
| 07:58.45 | JordiGH | It looks like it's not coincidence where TPB is located. :-) |
| 07:58.46 | tjtag | JoriGH, first cd or first DVD, if you have the bandwidth, go for the first DVD |
| 07:59.21 | JordiGH | I don't really have the bandwidth... it'll take 24 hours to torrent the DVD. But eh, I can try to fix this etch installation in the meantime. |
| 07:59.31 | tjtag | JordiGH: I use the last weekly DVD |
| 08:00.16 | |ahmina| | I run a Xen server with 8 GB of RAM and about 2 different domU guest OSes, all Debian lenny. I am about to add 2 more and I'm struck with the prospect of allocating new logical volumes in LVM2 for the new guests |
| 08:00.25 | |ahmina| | however, I'm not sure what to do about swap partitions |
| 08:00.38 | tjtag | JordiDH: then after the first cd, it will probably take an hour 1 1/2 - 2 do download the rest if you choose a mirror during the setup |
| 08:00.38 | |ahmina| | My current two VM guests have separate LVM2 logical volumes for swap |
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| 08:00.45 | |ahmina| | This works, but is this even necessary? |
| 08:00.53 | JordiGH | tjtag: Ever heard of tab-completion? :-) |
| 08:01.05 | |ahmina| | How can I find out if I even need swap LVs for newly created Debian Lenny Xen domU guests? |
| 08:01.15 | |ahmina| | all of this is in LVM2 |
| 08:01.43 | tjtag | JordiGH: ? |
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| 08:02.26 | enouf | JordiGH: what's wrong with a dist-upgrade? |
| 08:02.45 | JordiGH | enouf: Likely to break at this point, isn't it? |
| 08:02.59 | JordiGH | enouf: Probably won't work until lenny is stable, right? |
| 08:03.04 | enouf | depends |
| 08:03.11 | tjtag | enouf: nothing, but I prefer fresh installs |
| 08:03.12 | enouf | wrong |
| 08:03.18 | enouf | !lenny release notes |
| 08:03.19 | dpkg | Draft release notes at http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny and http://debian.nanonanonano.net/lenny/releasenotes/ (latest draft; updated daily). See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg00000.html, or ask me about <update-xmlcatalog bug>. Upgrade 'nfs-common' or unmount NFS mounts before upgrading 'mount' package (bug #501687). |
| 08:03.45 | JordiGH | tjtag: You keep typoing my name, so I thought you weren't tab-completing it. |
| 08:03.49 | vsayikiran | please check this link http://pastebin.com/m5d52131b and tell me whether i'm correct. the logrotate should run on daily basis and create log files daily. then it keeps backup of last 3 days and then deletes it. |
| 08:04.03 | JordiGH | enouf: Eh, check all that? |
| 08:04.05 | tjtag | JordiGH: Ok :) |
| 08:04.12 | JordiGH | enouf: TL;DR |
| 08:04.22 | enouf | JordiGH: or .. just go for it :-P |
| 08:04.35 | enouf | d/l the DVD on another PC :-P |
| 08:04.40 | JordiGH | tomorrow |
| 08:04.45 | JordiGH | in the meantime |
| 08:04.48 | enouf | no now! |
| 08:04.49 | JordiGH | torrent |
| 08:04.50 | enouf | :-p |
| 08:04.54 | JordiGH | surrender |
| 08:04.54 | JordiGH | sleep |
| 08:04.54 | JordiGH | g2g |
| 08:05.03 | tjtag | but how to install on ext4 ? |
| 08:05.04 | JordiGH | debian: gg |
| 08:05.16 | enouf | go compile |
| 08:05.30 | JordiGH | and g'nite to everyone. |
| 08:05.42 | tjtag | JordiGH: night |
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| 08:06.38 | stoned | enouf, do you ever sleep? |
| 08:06.44 | stoned | you freakin robot |
| 08:06.54 | tjtag | stoned: hehehehe |
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| 08:07.37 | enouf | |ahmina|: i don't know offhand but a) might try searching googlegroups and b) might shoot an email to debian-users@l.d.o and c) try ##linux .. and d) try irc.debian,org #debian |
| 08:08.06 | enouf | |ahmina|: see dpkg -L lvm2 | grep doc |
| 08:08.23 | enouf | stoned: i'm sleeping right now |
| 08:08.57 | stoned | bullshit |
| 08:09.15 | linux_stu | if i am running debian inside a virtualbox vm, should i install guest additions via virtualbox's menu, or will using aptitude to install the package virtualbox-ose-guest-utils accomplish the same thing? |
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| 08:09.34 | enouf | |ahmina|: and try again (here) in a few hours ... there are people around who would know |
| 08:09.46 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.49 | stoned | 1 |
| 08:09.55 | stoned | argh. |
| 08:10.00 | enouf | 42 |
| 08:10.02 | stoned | enouf, get me new keyboard |
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| 08:10.29 | enouf | !smack stoned with his new keyboard upside his head |
| 08:10.29 | dpkg | smacks stoned with his new keyboard upside his head upside the head. |
| 08:10.53 | stoned | lol |
| 08:10.56 | stoned | thas stuipd |
| 08:11.11 | stoned | hey i can't play realmedia on my debian |
| 08:11.12 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 08:11.24 | stoned | I try kaff. and mplayer i have w32codecs |
| 08:11.29 | stoned | in mplayer it doesn't work |
| 08:11.35 | stoned | in kaff. i starts with video but no audio |
| 08:11.37 | Thurin1 | stoned, ... Download realplayer.. :) |
| 08:11.39 | stoned | its an rvmb file |
| 08:11.46 | Thurin1 | The Linux version is pretty sexy |
| 08:11.49 | stoned | ugh. |
| 08:11.50 | enouf | linux_stu: not sure, i'd prolly go with the vb menu |
| 08:11.51 | Thurin1 | no clutter and crap all over |
| 08:11.55 | stoned | really? |
| 08:11.58 | Thurin1 | You can only play RMVB in real player |
| 08:12.02 | stoned | is it packeged? |
| 08:12.13 | stoned | Thurin1, it plays in kaffeine and mplayer but no audio |
| 08:12.16 | stoned | only video |
| 08:12.16 | Thurin1 | stoned, Yeah it's compact as hell - nice clean simple and no aids |
| 08:12.17 | enouf | no |
| 08:12.19 | linux_stu | ok enouf. i installed the package from debian's repos, but i don't think it gives the full functionality of what vb's menu provides |
| 08:12.23 | enouf | it's a POC |
| 08:12.25 | Thurin1 | ...ads, and hopefully aids free as well |
| 08:12.34 | Thurin1 | :P |
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| 08:12.34 | stoned | its a piece of crap? |
| 08:12.34 | mhymn | Thurin1: i played it by kaffeine |
| 08:12.45 | enouf | use mplayer - or forget that rm30 crap |
| 08:13.00 | enouf | mplayer can do rm40 or whatever, iirc - recent addition |
| 08:13.05 | Thurin1 | Meh, Real Player linux is slick, I like it for real files |
| 08:13.05 | mhymn | and mplayer |
| 08:13.33 | enouf | huh? ads? i see no stinkin ads |
| 08:13.55 | |ahmina| | rdiff-backup question: I'm trying to backup an 8GB / dir from one server onto another. It's stuck on proc dir and now I have over 25GB of data in the backup. This is weird? |
| 08:14.13 | |ahmina| | UpdateError proc/irq/91/smp_affinity Updated mirror temp file /mnt/pitus-backup/proc/irq/91/rdiff-backup.tmp.25423 does not match source |
| 08:14.27 | enouf | heh |
| 08:14.44 | enouf | don't backup /proc /sys /dev |
| 08:14.50 | stoned | VIDEO: [RV40] 720x400 24bpp 23.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) |
| 08:15.03 | stoned | Stream description: Audio Stream |
| 08:15.04 | stoned | Stream mimetype: audio/x-pn-realaudio |
| 08:15.13 | stoned | i can get video, but no audio |
| 08:15.19 | enouf | stoned: yep - ask in mplayer - time to recompile your libavcodec :-) |
| 08:15.33 | enouf | rv40 crap |
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| 08:16.05 | stoned | Opening audio decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg/libavcodec audio decoders |
| 08:16.05 | stoned | [cook @ 0x87a0f90]MC_COOK not supported! |
| 08:16.05 | stoned | Could not open codec. |
| 08:16.09 | stoned | dang. |
| 08:16.12 | stoned | nottonight |
| 08:16.35 | enouf | |ahmina|: might want to look at lvm snapshots too |
| 08:16.38 | stoned | my back hurts |
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| 08:18.02 | enouf | dpkg: send stoned one swedish messeuse |
| 08:18.02 | dpkg | wish i knew, enouf |
| 08:18.38 | |ahmina| | enouf: can lvm snapshots be incremental? |
| 08:18.49 | |ahmina| | and can they go via SSH from one server to another? |
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| 08:18.56 | enouf | they are if you take them incrementally :-) |
| 08:18.57 | |ahmina| | I've got two servers and I want to back them up onto one another. |
| 08:19.06 | streuner_ | lots of minimalits around, why only one, and why only ONE swedish? :-P |
| 08:19.10 | |ahmina| | They both run Xen with Debian on dom0 and domUs |
| 08:19.11 | enouf | i don't know offhand |ahmina| |
| 08:19.22 | |ahmina| | OK |
| 08:19.23 | enouf | streuner_: it |
| 08:19.30 | stoned | streuner_, you are swedish? |
| 08:19.32 | |ahmina| | Why do you recommend not to backup /sys or /dev? |
| 08:19.35 | enouf | streuner_: it's all he deserves :-P |
| 08:19.36 | stoned | i thought you were germanish |
| 08:19.38 | |ahmina| | I understand now why no /proc |
| 08:19.48 | stoned | hehe i thought you were a germ! |
| 08:19.50 | stoned | hahaha |
| 08:19.51 | stoned | im funny |
| 08:19.55 | streuner_ | enouf: hehe :-) |
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| 08:20.12 | enouf | |ahmina|: sys is also a VFS and /dev is populated via udev at every boot |
| 08:20.17 | stoned | hey |
| 08:20.22 | enouf | |ahmina|: /dev is (re)populated via udev at every boot |
| 08:20.25 | stoned | be sure to send a masseuse that does happy endings |
| 08:20.33 | stoned | if ya know what I mean *wink wink* |
| 08:21.52 | heroxbd | ls |
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| 08:21.59 | heroxbd | !! sorry.. |
| 08:22.05 | enouf | |ahmina|: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/Documentation/filesystems/sysfs.txt |
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| 08:42.11 | turneralex | heyy |
| 08:42.28 | turneralex | is it possible to install an RPM in debian? |
| 08:43.44 | hoxu | turneralex, look at alien |
| 08:43.55 | turneralex | hoxu: will do, thanks :) |
| 08:44.13 | hoxu | you might get bitten by dependencies though |
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| 08:44.51 | scx | is tired of noob answers to real questions = |
| 08:44.54 | scx | !coke |
| 08:44.54 | dpkg | coke is probably not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him! |
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| 08:47.26 | scx | wow this is emprty, never seen below 800 nicks here |
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| 08:51.34 | tarzeau | heh |
| 08:51.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:51.37 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 08:51.54 | stoned | tarzeau, tome! |
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| 08:52.07 | tarzeau | i'm gonna sledge today :) 6 km of great snow |
| 08:52.18 | tarzeau | two blondes and a brunette, and all 25 |
| 08:52.29 | stoned | no i mean tales of middle earth |
| 08:52.34 | tarzeau | a game? |
| 08:52.37 | stoned | yes |
| 08:52.38 | stoned | tome |
| 08:52.42 | tarzeau | nethack |
| 08:52.48 | stoned | rougelike |
| 08:52.51 | stoned | roguelike |
| 08:53.03 | tarzeau | tried powder, yet? |
| 08:53.11 | stoned | it keeps crashing |
| 08:53.12 | tarzeau | i know it's got a bug, i got the fix as a patch, but no sponsor... |
| 08:53.19 | tarzeau | stoned: check the bts for the fix |
| 08:53.28 | stoned | Version: 106-1 |
| 08:53.30 | tarzeau | or isn't it in there? i'll forward the mail, but later |
| 08:53.33 | stoned | tarzeau, i hasn't yet checked |
| 08:53.43 | stoned | will do |
| 08:54.03 | tarzeau | but when do we get lenny? |
| 08:54.03 | stoned | upload the patch somewhere |
| 08:54.12 | stoned | tarzeau, you know better than to ask that question |
| 08:54.32 | stoned | actually |
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| 08:54.40 | stoned | you can play powder with a joypas |
| 08:54.41 | stoned | joypad |
| 08:54.48 | stoned | like regular games |
| 08:54.52 | tarzeau | yeah i know |
| 08:54.56 | stoned | download the game boy advance emulator |
| 08:55.06 | stoned | and buy a simple 10$ controller |
| 08:55.21 | tarzeau | i'd rather like to have it for playstation 1. got a modded one |
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| 08:55.28 | stoned | cool |
| 08:55.42 | stoned | tarzeau, so how is your holiday season went? |
| 08:55.45 | tarzeau | stoned: played spout yet? |
| 08:55.51 | stoned | nope |
| 08:55.58 | tarzeau | stoned: great, apart from the silvesternight and the next day |
| 08:56.02 | tarzeau | what about yours? |
| 08:56.04 | stoned | I'm working on a rpg in php |
| 08:56.18 | stoned | oh nothing |
| 08:56.25 | stoned | just chilled out |
| 08:56.49 | stoned | its gonna be a turn based rougelike browswer based |
| 08:57.00 | tarzeau | stoned: yeah the patch is in the bts, #492506 |
| 08:57.01 | stoned | but with better graphics and fully ajax'd |
| 08:57.13 | stoned | cool thanks |
| 08:57.19 | stoned | !dbugs #492506 |
| 08:57.23 | dpkg | #492506:N[powder] powder segfaults on start of game (); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:02 UTC [] |
| 08:57.29 | tarzeau | stoned: you should get DD and sponsor my updates :) |
| 08:57.33 | stoned | tarzeau, oh its not that |
| 08:57.44 | stoned | tarzeau, im trying man, it just takes time |
| 08:57.53 | tarzeau | stoned: no? there's no other reports bugs |
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| 08:58.01 | stoned | tarzeau, it launches |
| 08:58.04 | tarzeau | stoned: i got myself a canon ixus 80, running CHDK on it, very cool |
| 08:58.18 | stoned | tarzeau, i can set the options but when you type name and hit enter i get crash |
| 08:58.21 | stoned | no segfault |
| 08:58.26 | tarzeau | stoned: yes that's that bug |
| 08:58.29 | stoned | game launches, but upon cahracter create i get crash |
| 08:58.30 | stoned | oh ok |
| 08:58.32 | stoned | word |
| 08:58.47 | tarzeau | stoned: looked at the latest quadropolis.us levels for sauerbraten? |
| 08:58.58 | stoned | i don't like that game |
| 08:59.03 | stoned | i hate the controls |
| 08:59.05 | stoned | the feel |
| 08:59.10 | stoned | especially the UI |
| 08:59.13 | tarzeau | but the graphics are awesome |
| 08:59.17 | stoned | nah |
| 08:59.19 | tarzeau | you also just chat in it :) |
| 08:59.23 | tarzeau | what about www.mtp-target.org ? |
| 08:59.23 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:59.27 | stoned | never heard of it |
| 08:59.33 | tarzeau | uberfun! |
| 08:59.43 | stoned | oh ohoh |
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| 08:59.47 | stoned | dude i love games like these |
| 08:59.48 | stoned | omg |
| 08:59.49 | tarzeau | stoned: what about ultrastar deluxe? |
| 09:00.17 | tarzeau | check the video, awesome 16-player |
| 09:00.17 | tarzeau | we played that like hours, with the original (single sound track) |
| 09:00.18 | tarzeau | HOURS! |
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| 09:01.13 | stoned | nic |
| 09:01.16 | stoned | very nice |
| 09:01.42 | tarzeau | it's based on the libnel library, which also comes with the snowballs game |
| 09:01.49 | stoned | hehehe |
| 09:01.51 | stoned | you said balls |
| 09:01.53 | stoned | hehehe |
| 09:01.58 | stoned | ;) |
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| 09:02.02 | stoned | is feeling goofy |
| 09:02.03 | tarzeau | i can also say scrotum |
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| 09:02.13 | stoned | tarzeau, you ever heard of B&B |
| 09:02.19 | tarzeau | stoned: http://snowballs.istheshit.net/ |
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| 09:02.21 | stoned | Beavis & Butthead |
| 09:02.36 | tarzeau | stoned: bub-n-bros? |
| 09:02.38 | tarzeau | yeah i don't like beavis and butthead, but brigitte bardot was hot when she was young |
| 09:02.47 | stoned | I remem playing it on tv when i was young |
| 09:02.54 | stoned | i used to have the sega channel |
| 09:03.07 | stoned | so all the latest video games came into my cable on tv directly |
| 09:03.23 | tarzeau | stoned: can you mplayer watch videos? http://gnu.ethz.ch/MVI_6986.AVI |
| 09:03.24 | stoned | b&b kciked ass yo ucan like fart on your enemies and belch on em |
| 09:03.24 | stoned | hehee |
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| 09:03.35 | tarzeau | haha, disgusting |
| 09:03.48 | tarzeau | i liked the old c-64 porn games better |
| 09:03.55 | stoned | awww |
| 09:04.04 | tarzeau | do you remember those? demoscene still keeps creating them (metalvotze, metal pussy in english) |
| 09:04.11 | stoned | lol |
| 09:04.18 | stoned | dude the dog is trying to hump a tiger!? |
| 09:04.19 | stoned | wtf |
| 09:04.23 | stoned | what the hell |
| 09:04.27 | stoned | is cracking up |
| 09:04.27 | tarzeau | the dog IS humping the tiger :) |
| 09:04.32 | tarzeau | stoned: my gf's doggy |
| 09:04.37 | stoned | omg |
| 09:04.38 | stoned | cute |
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| 09:04.53 | tarzeau | stoned: she also humps whatever lies on ground, so better don't lie there ;) |
| 09:05.02 | stoned | hehe |
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| 09:06.53 | tarzeau | stoned: seen my latest panorama photos (doen with enblend, autopanog, hugin): http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/ (very bottom) |
| 09:07.26 | tarzeau | stoned: now the funny classics: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backgrounds/other/slides/bjoxlzcw.html |
| 09:07.38 | tarzeau | you know the original, with knock knock? who is it? it's jesus lol? |
| 09:08.01 | tarzeau | stoned: http://moshgirl.istheshit.net/ |
| 09:08.18 | tarzeau | stoned: http://gnu.ethz.ch/backgrounds/other/slides/bash.html (i'd like such a ZSH party) |
| 09:08.29 | mhymn | (offtopic) |
| 09:08.42 | stoned | right now OT doesn't matter |
| 09:08.49 | stoned | there is no one asking for debian support |
| 09:08.54 | scx | So let's talk about politics |
| 09:08.54 | stoned | hardly anyone else is active |
| 09:09.03 | stoned | definitely not politics |
| 09:09.08 | scx | hey! |
| 09:09.10 | tarzeau | scx: did you see the shoe flying against bush? |
| 09:09.12 | stoned | video games that are packaged in debian are good |
| 09:09.14 | scx | all bare or all spare |
| 09:09.22 | stoned | we can talk about em |
| 09:09.22 | tarzeau | stoned: apropos games, tried pushover yet? |
| 09:09.27 | stoned | nope |
| 09:09.33 | stoned | brb |
| 09:09.38 | scx | tarzeau: yup, it was my dad who threw it |
| 09:09.42 | tminos | what if we make a debian package that creates some political propaganda and stores it in /usr/share/doc/ or such? |
| 09:09.43 | stoned | tarzeau, there is a #debian-chat now |
| 09:09.55 | stoned | scx, there is a #debian-chat now if you'd like to go there |
| 09:10.01 | tminos | maybe a fortunes package |
| 09:10.03 | tarzeau | tminos: the first thing i do when i need space is rm -rf /usr/share/doc :) |
| 09:10.13 | scx | stoned: I know, we are teasing you :) |
| 09:10.13 | tminos | appropriate then |
| 09:10.28 | tarzeau | !eat scx |
| 09:10.28 | dpkg | eats scx, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 09:10.37 | stoned | no but really |
| 09:10.54 | stoned | if more people went to the chat channel |
| 09:11.01 | stoned | then we can talk about stuff there |
| 09:11.04 | stoned | and then not bother here |
| 09:11.05 | stoned | get it? |
| 09:11.10 | scx | 8 people |
| 09:11.14 | stoned | its not bad |
| 09:11.20 | tarzeau | there used to be #debian-offtopic , no? |
| 09:11.22 | scx | there is more in #debian-fr rite now... |
| 09:11.31 | stoned | scx, i don't speak french! |
| 09:11.34 | tarzeau | what happened to the chat stats? |
| 09:11.39 | stoned | !debstats |
| 09:11.40 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 09:11.40 | scx | #debian-es? :) |
| 09:11.56 | stoned | no spanish either |
| 09:11.57 | tarzeau | there's also #debian.tr :) |
| 09:12.55 | stoned | Poor enouf, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 1 times. |
| 09:12.55 | stoned | For example, like this: * stoned kicks enouf in da nutz |
| 09:13.18 | stoned | stoned talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 42 times! |
| 09:13.33 | tarzeau | sussudio: the debstats don't work? |
| 09:13.33 | stoned | craigevil couldn't decide whether to stay or go. 110 joins during this reporting period! |
| 09:13.53 | stoned | yes it does |
| 09:13.55 | stoned | !debstats |
| 09:13.55 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 09:14.05 | stoned | hey im not on top!!? |
| 09:14.06 | stoned | wtf |
| 09:14.07 | tarzeau | ah the latter url |
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| 09:14.16 | tarzeau | stoned: you gotta get a life |
| 09:14.24 | stoned | oh yeah, cuz I got shit to do |
| 09:14.25 | scx | He/She means She was a He or something? |
| 09:14.32 | scx | :) |
| 09:14.38 | stoned | im #2 :( |
| 09:14.47 | stoned | but tis ok, enouf is a robot anyway and he never sleeps |
| 09:14.57 | stoned | so he has like twice my stats in words almost |
| 09:15.11 | tarzeau | stoned: i keep getting connection interrupted |
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| 09:15.19 | stoned | hm |
| 09:15.29 | stoned | I hink sus is downloading porn right now ;) |
| 09:15.44 | stoned | his server is slow but it worka |
| 09:15.47 | tarzeau | let me try via a proxy such as www.pornolize.com |
| 09:16.29 | tarzeau | read time out (500) |
| 09:16.56 | scx | tarzeau: Abrot say that you have to send an indemnization check now to Debian.org |
| 09:16.56 | tarzeau | sussudio: i can make a mirror on gbit link, if you want |
| 09:16.56 | tarzeau | !sussudio |
| 09:16.56 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, tarzeau! |
| 09:16.57 | tarzeau | bitch |
| 09:16.59 | stoned | hey tarzeau i started a new company in new york |
| 09:17.08 | tarzeau | stoned: really ? what do you do? |
| 09:17.10 | stoned | like simple web dev and marketing and seo stuff |
| 09:17.15 | stoned | well not simple |
| 09:17.20 | stoned | and software dev. |
| 09:17.23 | tarzeau | stoned: i also thought about making one, got 80m2 unused |
| 09:17.28 | tarzeau | stoned: i'm doing webpages... |
| 09:17.33 | stoned | really |
| 09:17.37 | tarzeau | stoned: got some example pages? |
| 09:17.40 | stoned | we should talk |
| 09:17.46 | stoned | http://www.frostedweb.com/our-portfolio.html |
| 09:17.48 | stoned | yes |
| 09:17.48 | stoned | here |
| 09:17.50 | tarzeau | stoned: we could be New York, Solothurn(or Zurich) if that sounds better |
| 09:17.57 | stoned | I JUST started this like brand new |
| 09:18.02 | stoned | I only have 2 clients so far |
| 09:18.11 | stoned | plus the website isn't even like 10% done yet |
| 09:18.18 | tarzeau | stoned: did you check my panorama photo? the one with the black/white living room wants a shop, i need a shopping cart |
| 09:18.25 | tarzeau | stoned: i got like 5 clients... |
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| 09:18.30 | stoned | cool |
| 09:18.40 | stoned | come to #debian-chat |
| 09:18.47 | stoned | this is highly ot i don't wanna get yelled at |
| 09:18.49 | tarzeau | stoned: what do you charge for a webpage, and it's hosting/dns per year? |
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| 09:19.11 | tarzeau | i gotta do laundry .. cu later |
| 09:19.17 | stoned | sure definitely |
| 09:19.29 | stoned | hit me up sometime man you know where to find me |
| 09:19.43 | stoned | nice to catch with you man, if im not around in a little bit i'll see you later |
| 09:19.46 | stoned | enjoy yer holidays |
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| 09:27.23 | tarzeau | stoned: too much text on your page? |
| 09:27.33 | tarzeau | thanks |
| 09:27.48 | stoned | tarzeau, which page? |
| 09:27.55 | tarzeau | stoned: our-portfolio.html |
| 09:28.07 | tarzeau | stoned: make the text darker, it's not easy to read |
| 09:28.13 | tarzeau | or looks unimportant that lightgray |
| 09:28.31 | stoned | lets just say the site is 10% done so far |
| 09:28.33 | stoned | :) |
| 09:28.54 | stoned | tarzeau, I will consider that (I am a programmer not a designer/artist) |
| 09:28.57 | tarzeau | stoned: i know, likewise |
| 09:28.59 | stoned | I suck at design, I'm making do with what I know and learning stuff |
| 09:29.05 | stoned | but I need to find a designer |
| 09:29.13 | stoned | a good graphic designer |
| 09:29.17 | tarzeau | stoned: but some interest in pop art, libraries are all around, and typography can give you some big steps forward |
| 09:29.32 | stoned | #frostedweb |
| 09:29.40 | tarzeau | i like the designers republic alot |
| 09:29.40 | stoned | we can discuss there |
| 09:29.57 | stoned | seriously if i get yelled at for offtpic im gonna come kick your ass |
| 09:29.59 | stoned | :) |
| 09:30.21 | stoned | i'll buy a plant ticket , come over your country, kick your ass, then leave hahaha |
| 09:30.33 | tarzeau | hahaha |
| 09:30.38 | tarzeau | be my guest |
| 09:31.45 | tminos | stoned: what kind of plant? roses, tulips ? |
| 09:31.49 | stoned | I don't like black |
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| 09:32.24 | stoned | I was thinking, right now I'm using #808080, I could use a muh darker gray but still not as dark as black, like #333 |
| 09:32.36 | stoned | tminos, plane! |
| 09:32.38 | stoned | not plant |
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| 09:32.56 | stoned | or like a #2A2A2A |
| 09:32.57 | stoned | I dunno |
| 09:33.04 | botris | it seems flood to me |
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| 09:41.07 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.09 | botris | one asking all the science in they are totally different i have low iron from my ulcer surgury and i can drink a gallon of orange juice or eat 10 oranges.. |
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| 09:53.23 | mischief6 | hello, can anyone tell me how to control what services are started on boot from a terminal? |
| 09:53.25 | botris | and phalaris have cool retard hacks.. |
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| 09:53.55 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 09:54.12 | cousin_luigi | how come RC bugs count has been steadily decreasing in the last few days? |
| 09:54.14 | cousin_luigi | just curious |
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| 09:56.02 | scx | !rc |
| 09:56.02 | dpkg | from memory, rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 09:56.51 | Brood | what arch should i get if i have core2duo? |
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| 09:58.38 | mischief6 | Brood, you could get x86_64 i believe |
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| 09:59.02 | Brood | [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 09:59.09 | Brood | these are the possibbilities |
| 09:59.16 | avu | Brood, amd64 or i386 |
| 09:59.31 | avu | Brood, depending on if you want a 64 or 32bit os respectivly |
| 09:59.45 | mischief6 | !services |
| 09:59.45 | dpkg | services is, like, to view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, sysvconfig, <sysv-rc-conf>, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 09:59.52 | mischief6 | er, whoops :x |
| 10:00.01 | Brood | can amd64 work with both 64 and 32 bit software? |
| 10:00.25 | avu | Brood, you have to install 32bit versions of the needed libraries too then, but in general yes it can |
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| 10:00.28 | mynullvoid | hi all |
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| 10:01.25 | mynullvoid | I just setup my nex machine running debian stable, I installed ssh, I use nmap and it shows open port 22, but when I try to ssh it says ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.30 port 22: Connection refused |
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| 10:02.52 | acemi | did you install openssh-server |
| 10:03.29 | cahoot | mynullvoid: try ssh -vv and see if you get more info |
| 10:03.30 | mynullvoid | I apt-get install ssh and I guess it installed along |
| 10:03.31 | mischief6 | mynullvoid, you must install the sshd |
| 10:03.39 | mynullvoid | yes I did |
| 10:03.53 | mynullvoid | when I nmap the host, it shows port 22 |
| 10:04.02 | mynullvoid | this tells that sshd is running on the server |
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| 10:04.16 | mischief6 | check logs perhaps? :S |
| 10:04.56 | mynullvoid | firegate:/etc/shorewall# ssh -vv 192.168.2.30 |
| 10:04.56 | mynullvoid | OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch3, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 10:04.56 | mynullvoid | debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 10:04.57 | mynullvoid | debug1: Applying options for * |
| 10:04.57 | mynullvoid | debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 |
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| 10:05.07 | mynullvoid | sorry |
| 10:05.13 | botris | and im just an employeeon shroomery the girls own me |
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| 10:08.16 | mynullvoid | what makes I can ssh from fw to machine A, but I cannot ssh from fw to machine B, the funny thing I can ssh from machine A to machine B |
| 10:09.11 | mischief6 | one machine probably has sshd installed/started, the other does not |
| 10:10.00 | mischief6 | er, i read that wrong, maybe it is only accepting connections from certain hosts? |
| 10:10.07 | acemi | can the machine A connect itself via ssh? |
| 10:10.22 | cahoot | mynullvoid: wrong perms on ~/.ssh ? |
| 10:10.29 | mynullvoid | you mean ssh to it self? |
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| 10:10.35 | acemi | yes |
| 10:10.41 | mynullvoid | let me try |
| 10:11.09 | Nielske | what ports are sshd's running on? |
| 10:11.26 | Nielske | i have isp which blocks everything below 8000 or so |
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| 10:11.53 | cahoot | 22 |
| 10:12.12 | scx | Nielske: Google the name of the CEO, buy an unregistered shotgun and wait for him after taking a breakfast in his fav restaurant |
| 10:12.33 | mynullvoid | acemi: I can self ssh |
| 10:12.34 | scx | or may it be after the gym... you chose |
| 10:13.12 | cahoot | shouldn't watch so much violent films |
| 10:13.14 | scx | Nielske: you cna specify the port in the /etc/ssh.conf file |
| 10:13.32 | cahoot | sshd_config? |
| 10:13.37 | scx | s/cna/can |
| 10:13.51 | scx | sets a replace fro cna to can |
| 10:13.52 | Nielske | scx : i know, i have it solved; just trying to help mynullvoid |
| 10:13.52 | mynullvoid | it's a default install of ssh |
| 10:14.06 | acemi | mynullvoid: did you install firewall? |
| 10:14.16 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 10:14.22 | scx | Nielske: oh sorry I came late to the chat just to make the laugh of myself, oops |
| 10:14.23 | cahoot | mynullvoid: what perms on ~/.ssh ? |
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| 10:14.29 | mynullvoid | but I am connecting from firewall machine |
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| 10:15.01 | mynullvoid | I can ping the machine which I can't ssh |
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| 10:16.57 | Nielske | :D |
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| 10:17.17 | Nielske | scx : u can be sure i want to shoot the ceo ;-) |
| 10:17.18 | acemi | did you have another ssh server with the same IP, before this machine? |
| 10:17.26 | Nielske | they even have hard limits on how much you are to download monthly |
| 10:17.32 | mynullvoid | no |
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| 10:19.19 | scx | Nielske: That's the attitude! |
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| 10:21.15 | scx | where do you live? I know good places to hide corpses in Nevada |
| 10:21.19 | billiejoex | Hi, I have a debian stable I use for testing. I would like to add the unstable repositories. Could someone tell me how can I do that? |
| 10:21.20 | scx | oops |
| 10:23.14 | mischief6 | so can anyone tell me how to control services from a terminal? :S |
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| 10:24.05 | cahoot | mischief6: sounds like you want to read the Debian reference |
| 10:24.10 | scx | man chconfig? |
| 10:24.32 | mischief6 | chconfig? |
| 10:24.36 | scx | Does anyone know a good tagger for acc+ files? |
| 10:24.41 | mischief6 | never heard of it :S |
| 10:24.47 | mischief6 | and there is no manpage |
| 10:25.04 | mischief6 | more specifically, i want to stop apache from starting at boot |
| 10:25.59 | cahoot | mischief6: man update-rc.d |
| 10:26.23 | acemi | /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart |
| 10:26.41 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.57 | mischief6 | i do not have chkconfig ;) |
| 10:26.58 | botris | Are you gonna be here this morning after the first time since this morning. |
| 10:26.58 | scx | the /etc/init.d would just stop it from the currently running system |
| 10:27.00 | cahoot | scx: you sure don't use debian |
| 10:27.29 | scx | cahoot: I do... but not only Debian |
| 10:27.33 | acemi | mischief6: install rcconf package and rcconf from console |
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| 10:28.28 | mischief6 | lol, already removed with update-rc.d but thanks acemi |
| 10:28.30 | scx | what, as far I know it work in the vinit schema |
| 10:28.30 | scx | ah tha too |
| 10:29.51 | mischief6 | sweet, i have reclaimed my memory from apache for good :0 |
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| 10:32.01 | Bladerunner05 | hello, I need to pull email from my mailserver on the net joedom.net, deliver that email locally to my linux server and pickup it from a client. so the linux box may deliver email from local user to local user and also local user to internet user.Please suggest me a good how-to |
| 10:33.12 | click | bladerunner05: tip: google |
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| 10:33.35 | click | bladerunner05: fetchmail postfix (or exim) and dovecot |
| 10:34.20 | beardy | Bladerunner05: If you are running exim, 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' is quite simple. |
| 10:34.37 | beardy | Bladerunner05: Are you going to send out mail through the same machine you are fetching from? |
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| 10:59.22 | Bladerunner05 | •beardy• yes |
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| 11:01.24 | minus | Hi.. I've installed the DivX Codec for Linux. But how do I use it? Is there a way to tell mplayer what decoder to use? |
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| 11:04.26 | valdyn | minus: why bother when mplayer plays divx just fine by default? |
| 11:05.31 | minus | valdyn, It doesn't. The codecs that |
| 11:05.34 | minus | ops |
| 11:06.07 | minus | The codecs that mplayer uses doesn't give as rich black video as the real DivX codec gives |
| 11:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | rich black... |
| 11:06.41 | valdyn | minus: or maybe your display sucks |
| 11:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds like printing |
| 11:07.09 | valdyn | minus: windows codec? |
| 11:07.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought for monitors all you can do is switch the pixel off... |
| 11:07.22 | minus | VLC and mplayer uses the same codec for divx, right? |
| 11:07.33 | minus | ow.. mpeg-2 or whatever its called |
| 11:07.36 | valdyn | minus: not necessarily |
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| 11:07.48 | valdyn | minus: ffmpeg provides many |
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| 11:08.37 | minus | anyhow. In windows I use vlc and Media Player Classic with DivX codec. In Media Player Classic: The black is black. In VLC: The black is a bit grey. |
| 11:09.08 | valdyn | minus: alright, is what you want to use a windows codec? |
| 11:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | change brightness and contrast? |
| 11:09.27 | valdyn | minus: are you using the w32codecs package? |
| 11:09.38 | minus | valdyn, no. I want to use DivX for linux. Cause that's what I've installed |
| 11:09.46 | minus | http://labs.divx.com/DivXLinuxCodec |
| 11:09.48 | minus | that one. |
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| 11:10.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | contrast is 1 and 2, brightness is 3 and 4 |
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| 11:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | in mplayer |
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| 11:10.59 | valdyn | minus: did you follow the README.linux ? |
| 11:11.34 | valdyn | minus: for all i know divx playback is just mpeg4 playback |
| 11:11.53 | minus | valdyn, yes. The installation went fine. And all the header files are located in /usr/local/include/divx/decoder |
| 11:11.54 | valdyn | minus: but what do i know.. |
| 11:12.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, you never know :-P |
| 11:13.08 | minus | netsplit! |
| 11:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... really? |
| 11:13.09 | clamiax | Do i need some v4l stuff in order to use the pac207 (gspca) drivers? |
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| 11:13.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | the point is more like... again!? |
| 11:13.29 | minus | valdyn, anyhow: How do I make sure whatever player is using that decoder? |
| 11:14.00 | valdyn | minus: try mplayer -vc help |
| 11:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try adjusting brightness/contrast within mplayer as I suggested? |
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| 11:14.28 | valdyn | minus: youre still chasing ghosts though |
| 11:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd think that the different programs just have different brightness/contrast defaults and you're doing all this codec stuff .... for fun? |
| 11:15.00 | valdyn | ( and who still uses divx when theres h264, i dont know ) |
| 11:15.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | p0rn |
| 11:15.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | haha. |
| 11:15.30 | minus | The scene doesn't use h264 for anything else than HD stuff. |
| 11:15.50 | valdyn | hah |
| 11:15.52 | valdyn | ok |
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| 11:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (actually... does it?) |
| 11:17.12 | JyZyXEL | lol i didn't know you can "eject" usb devices |
| 11:17.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | JyZyXEL, yeah... but be careful that the stick doesn't hit someone in the eye |
| 11:22.14 | valdyn | wow, amazing |
| 11:22.21 | valdyn | they password protect the contents.dat |
| 11:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean that he didn't say anything? |
| 11:22.30 | valdyn | and put the password into install.sh |
| 11:22.35 | valdyn | divx =l33t |
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| 11:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf are you talking about |
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| 11:23.07 | valdyn | about the divx for linux installer |
| 11:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is such a thing? |
| 11:23.45 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, minus was trying to use it |
| 11:24.18 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: thats the installer: "unzip -d $TMPDIR -P h08pzt4 contents.dat" |
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| 11:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 11:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, at least it's secure |
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| 11:25.55 | valdyn | minus: i doubt you can use this with mplayer |
| 11:26.07 | valdyn | minus: probably you are better off using w32codecs |
| 11:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 11:26.28 | valdyn | minus: ( just considering where divx put the files ) |
| 11:26.41 | minus | valdyn, yeah.. seems like so... |
| 11:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you had to get the installer to tell that? |
| 11:27.20 | valdyn | minus: if you can use it with mplayer then the least you have to do is put libdivx.so into a directory that mplayer scans |
| 11:27.42 | minus | valdyn, which one does it scan then? |
| 11:27.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | + system defaults |
| 11:28.02 | valdyn | nah |
| 11:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure does! |
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| 11:28.11 | valdyn | mplayer wont scan all that.. |
| 11:28.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not itself |
| 11:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you used that expression |
| 11:28.56 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: im not talking about dynamically linking but about using it like a plugin |
| 11:29.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
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| 11:29.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean like the w32codecs? |
| 11:30.09 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
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| 11:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd still think that the .so's in there are ... ahem plugged in by linking dynamically? |
| 11:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how else you should interface with a .so that wasnt made for any other purpose |
| 11:31.13 | valdyn | minus: mplayer will scan whatever is in ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf or /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf |
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| 11:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | most of them are ... err... linux dll's though |
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| 11:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | evades me how this stuff works |
| 11:32.08 | minus | valdyn, i see... thanks |
| 11:32.19 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: the nature of plugins is that the app actively opens them instead of ld linking the app against it |
| 11:32.29 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: thats all, the files can be the same |
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| 11:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... runetime libraries essentially contain a bunch of functions that the program can call? |
| 11:33.17 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, sure |
| 11:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you "actively open" that... and... well, you got a mess? |
| 11:33.48 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: many apps do that |
| 11:33.58 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: firefox plugins for instance |
| 11:34.08 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: ( everyone know flash ) |
| 11:34.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 11:34.33 | pingouin | awfullyevil flash ;) |
| 11:34.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | still beats me how that works |
| 11:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just notice I never cared about how plugins work :) |
| 11:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously(?) the functions provided by the plugin must be fixed |
| 11:37.14 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: the interface functions must be fixed, not all of them |
| 11:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I was trying to say |
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| 11:39.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | still seems a bit strange the way mplayer has windows "PE32 executable for MS Windows (DLL) (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit" dll files next to .so ELF shared files as plugins |
| 11:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and others |
| 11:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | um, no, that's actually it |
| 11:40.36 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: for .so files it can probably just use dlopen(), for windows .dlls they had to rewrite or rip from wine a windows dll loader |
| 11:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but they all would need to provide the same api functions? |
| 11:41.39 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 11:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | or mplayer would need to be prepared to have a different set of functions for every plugin |
| 11:42.24 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: one set for win32 codecs one set for linux codecs |
| 11:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... that's what I was thinking might be happening |
| 11:42.47 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: or one set for various types of codecs of each platform |
| 11:43.04 | comsa | love that nick |
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| 11:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | the question would still be... if there's several sets for each platform... how it determines which one to use on a certain codec file |
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| 11:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | arg... 6am |
| 11:45.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | "g'night" |
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| 11:50.02 | pepperbob | is there a way to set umask on a directory? lets say i want all file created in /tmp/ to have rights 664... any hints in the right direction? |
| 11:50.48 | enouf | umask is a per user setting |
| 11:51.15 | enouf | do 'help umask' |
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| 11:51.44 | MrTapir | har |
| 11:51.48 | pepperbob | enouf: ok - i would place umask in .profile. but would there be a way to put these settings on a directory? |
| 11:51.59 | MrTapir | hello |
| 11:52.06 | MrTapir | someone using kerberos on debian here ? |
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| 11:52.32 | pepperbob | MrTapir: we're running some debian servers in a w2k domain. |
| 11:52.43 | pepperbob | w2k3 actually.. |
| 11:52.44 | MrTapir | pepperbob: cool |
| 11:52.59 | MrTapir | pepperbob: maybe you can help me then |
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| 11:53.38 | enouf | pepperbob: 1st off, applications use /tmp - so you'd have to modify each app that uses it .. - but you might want to look at ACLs - you can setgid on a dir/ so that all files created within belong to a certain group, but afaict, not what you want through regular permissions, not sure though |
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| 11:54.12 | pepperbob | enouf: oh yeah! setgid - thanks. just stumpled over it. that's pretty what i need. |
| 11:54.31 | tiancai | enouf: nice to meet you again |
| 11:54.59 | enouf | tiancai: and you too? ... |
| 11:55.02 | enouf | pepperbob: ok |
| 11:56.02 | tiancai | enouf: yes...now here is about 20:00 pm |
| 11:56.20 | enouf | JyZyXEL: might you have GPT instead of MSDOS type partition tables? and perhaps even using EFI? |
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| 11:56.36 | enouf | tiancai: ahh .. ok, now i recall ;-) |
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| 11:57.33 | tiancai | enouf: are you a programer or you are just a debian linux user like me? |
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| 11:58.17 | tiancai | enouf: i have 3 computers, i installed debian on all of them |
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| 11:59.01 | enouf | JyZyXEL: although, sure, you can create partitions that do not fall on cylinder boundaries (most partitioning tools try to make the start./end hit a boundary, IINM) - and then certain utils do not like that at all .. |
| 11:59.31 | enouf | tiancai: i'm not a programmer |
| 12:00.03 | enouf | nor a dev, nor much of anything in the computer world :-P |
| 12:00.32 | tiancai | enouf: so you are a computer sales man? hehe |
| 12:01.16 | enouf | heh ... nah, most salespeople suck ass cause they lie for commission |
| 12:01.16 | tiancai | i am a marketing man |
| 12:01.23 | enouf | marketing is even worse |
| 12:01.40 | tiancai | haha.. let me try a new job...em... |
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| 12:02.02 | tiancai | solid_liq, which country are you in? |
| 12:02.18 | tiancai | enouf: which country are you in? |
| 12:02.54 | enouf | US of Can't-wait-to-put-bush-and-cheney-in-Jail |
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| 12:03.36 | liable | i think i see sparks flying.. could it be love? |
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| 12:04.11 | tiancai | but you have obama now, maybe he will be better |
| 12:04.32 | tiancai | liable: you must eat something, |
| 12:04.37 | enouf | liable: well .. i'm sure there's a special Bubba waiting in the Pen for each of them ;-) |
| 12:04.50 | tiancai | liable: it is not love, but you are tooooooooo hungry |
| 12:05.20 | liable | tiancai: s/hungry/happily inebriated/ |
| 12:05.47 | sidux | enouf: And Blair.. |
| 12:06.44 | enouf | and Rummy .. and Wolfiwitz, and Libby, and ... the list is too long |
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| 12:07.30 | tiancai | and the damn crisis that blow off my bonus |
| 12:07.35 | liable | i think you need to get paulson and bernake locked up first before they do more damage |
| 12:08.26 | enouf | string their asses altogther onto one big Alabama chain gang |
| 12:08.27 | tiancai | i hate the crisis |
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| 12:08.43 | tiancai | only the low oil price makes me a little happy |
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| 12:09.34 | tiancai | but in china, the gov is still trying to cheat us of the oil price |
| 12:09.42 | enouf | it's only because OPEC is scared that the us gubment is going to start dumping billions into other techs and use incentives and shit |
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| 12:10.22 | enouf | they'll gladly decrease the output again once they want more $$$ .. |
| 12:10.29 | tiancai | they lowered down the price only days ago while the price in the international market had been reduced 75% |
| 12:10.50 | MrTapir | ey |
| 12:10.55 | MrTapir | someone using the package heimdal-dev |
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| 12:11.03 | liable | they did and it doesnt matter. so hello to mr deflation. you will get to know him better over the next year or so. |
| 12:11.16 | zamuro | enouf: I'm from a oil producer country, and we're scared the shit out of ourseleves because of the oil prize drops. |
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| 12:11.23 | tiancai | we know for now |
| 12:11.24 | enouf | yeah, in china - the middlemen have to wait to be able to exude their corruption by skimming since the CCCP are so tightly knit there |
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| 12:11.50 | zamuro | OPEC reductions is not about getting more money, but about getting any money at all so we can still run. |
| 12:12.04 | enouf | bullshit |
| 12:12.10 | Vlad | haahaha |
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| 12:14.10 | tiancai | i had tried to buy a new ibm x300, but my wife cut off the budget |
| 12:14.24 | zamuro | O: |
| 12:14.31 | liable | bummer |
| 12:14.33 | tiancai | she said only one word: money |
| 12:14.42 | liable | no shoes for her! |
| 12:14.48 | enouf | yes, many people have cut back - in all aspects, not just new gadgets and toys .. |
| 12:14.50 | tiancai | haha |
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| 12:15.08 | zamuro | tiancai: and no soup for the rest of you |
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| 12:15.40 | tiancai | i dont know, maybe she just save that money for her new boot in Chinese new year... |
| 12:15.51 | zamuro | LOL!! |
| 12:16.35 | liable | tiancai: is it as grim as some of the stories i read, re lots of factories closing, people going back to the country? |
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| 12:17.27 | tiancai | yes.. it is killing when you try to go home in Chinese new year, |
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| 12:18.13 | tiancai | a lot of gift factories closed in south china |
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| 12:18.28 | tiancai | no orders from west |
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| 12:19.10 | lxsameer | hi , i have a dell m1330 laptop with intel hda sound driver . every thing is good , but when i try to record sound with mic i have alot of noise . is there any problem? |
| 12:19.20 | tiancai | and the fucking milk killed the all brands of made in china |
| 12:19.25 | Jemt | If I do 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-old-version' in a shell script, will the environment variable CC then have the gcc-old-version set AFTER the script is done executing? |
| 12:20.34 | liable | Jemt: why export it in the script? just set the var for the script. (yes the user the script runs as will have that set, which probably isnt a big deal anyway) |
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| 12:21.11 | Jemt | liable: The script runs in /etc/rc2.d/ - so I don't think it is wise to change it permanently |
| 12:21.36 | liable | Jemt: which init script is that? |
| 12:21.40 | zamuro | lxsameer: What kind of mic are you using? |
| 12:21.43 | Jemt | liable: The CC is used by another script, which is why i do 'export' |
| 12:21.55 | Jemt | liable: A custom one that installed an nVidia driver if needed |
| 12:22.01 | Jemt | installs* |
| 12:22.14 | liable | Jemt: you shouldnt do that from init |
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| 12:22.29 | lxsameer | zamuro : a mic that is in a headphone i try it on other pc and it get working |
| 12:22.34 | Jemt | liable: Where from then? I need it to do it on start up |
| 12:22.48 | dfrank | hello All, tell me please, where can I see a log with queries to mysql database ? |
| 12:23.31 | liable | Jemt: do you really need to do that? it sounds absolutely horrible. why cant you just have a script that sets whatever you need when you need to run whatever it is that you need to do? |
| 12:23.35 | enouf | Jemt: you could just have the spawned shell use "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-version command ...." no need to export it |
| 12:23.49 | zamuro | lxsameer: Try setting your levels to some place noise reducts or disappears. |
| 12:24.06 | enouf | !wayttd Jemt |
| 12:24.06 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Jemt? |
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| 12:24.18 | liable | why on earth you would set it on every boot i have no idea |
| 12:24.25 | enouf | thinks it's about rebuilding the Nvidia and ati binary blobs |
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| 12:25.07 | enouf | liable: he thinks he needs to cause he has debian on a USB key and randomly wanders about plugging it into various computers and booting from it |
| 12:25.09 | lummox | dfrank, I think you can set it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 12:25.10 | liable | sounds like you have a hammer, and everything you see is a nail.. |
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| 12:25.27 | Jemt | I have Debian installed onto a USB stick (as mention a couple of times earlier :) - I want it to automatically install the original nVidia driver when plugged into a computer with an nVidia card |
| 12:25.35 | preston | how would i open nvidia settings as root |
| 12:25.44 | Jemt | preston: su -c "nvidia-settings" |
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| 12:26.15 | liable | Jemt: why cant you just have all the modules you could ever possibly need installed in the kernel you boot off from the usb stick? |
| 12:26.24 | liable | why on earth do you need to compile them? |
| 12:26.37 | enouf | +re |
| 12:26.44 | enouf | +every time |
| 12:26.53 | liable | yes |
| 12:26.55 | Jemt | liable: Because I use more than one version of the nVidia driver - and they can't co-exist. They all contain the same kernel module; nvidia.ko |
| 12:26.56 | liable | thanks :P |
| 12:27.11 | enouf | answer that one hot stuff! ;-) |
| 12:27.22 | Jemt | stuff? :p |
| 12:27.29 | enouf | not you |
| 12:27.36 | Jemt | Oh :) |
| 12:27.41 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 12:27.49 | liable | he is provoking me.. |
| 12:28.00 | enouf | yerp .. ;-) |
| 12:28.10 | liable | i'll fix his little red wagon later.. ;) |
| 12:28.16 | enouf | haha |
| 12:28.24 | enouf | Jemt: did you ask #nvidia about this? |
| 12:28.33 | Kingstone | hey guys, i was wondering, how can i interact with debian packaging using C++ code? i need a development package, do you know where can i get one? (headers and stuff) |
| 12:28.59 | liable | Jemt: why the hell do you need nvidia on a usb key, that has the 3d driver for several boxen? |
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| 12:29.03 | Jemt | enouf: No. I didn't really think I had a problem - I just wanted to ask the CC question :) |
| 12:29.04 | enouf | Jemt: can you tell them to create nvidia-7xxx.ko and nvidia-96xx.ko , and nvidia-169.xx.ko :-) |
| 12:29.16 | Jemt | liable: 3D accelleration |
| 12:29.32 | liable | Jemt: why? |
| 12:29.48 | Jemt | liable: Compiz, games :) |
| 12:29.49 | enouf | Jemt: you __could_ have them all alredy done, then just mv/rename them as needed |
| 12:29.54 | enouf | already* |
| 12:29.55 | Jemt | Fun in general :) |
| 12:29.57 | liable | what exactly is the point of this usb stick? |
| 12:30.16 | enouf | Jemt: just as i have renamed them above |
| 12:30.27 | Jemt | liable: It's just my playground :) |
| 12:30.57 | liable | Jemt: ok, then I guess doing weird shit in init is fair game.. |
| 12:31.01 | tiancai | guys, what you discuss now is too difficult to me |
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| 12:31.05 | enouf | Jemt: so, all you'd need to do is use a scrtipt to read lspci -n ... | awk .. | grep VGA ; and then run the correct mv/rename/modprobe commands |
| 12:31.13 | Jemt | enouf: I'm not sure, but I think the nvidia driver contains a lot of files, all with identical names. So it's not just the kernel module that needs to be renamed. And I'm pretty sure they can't all be renamed after installation |
| 12:31.18 | tiancai | i just install debian and use it |
| 12:31.28 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, yes - that could be done |
| 12:31.29 | dfrank | lummox: thank u! and tell me please, what directive "log-queries-not-using-indexes" means ? |
| 12:31.45 | Jemt | I have thought about that as well. nvidia actually describes what files are being installed pretty well |
| 12:31.48 | preston | jemt su nvidia settings gives me an error |
| 12:31.55 | Jemt | preston: error? |
| 12:32.07 | preston | No protocol specified |
| 12:32.07 | preston | ERROR: The control display is undefined; please run `nvidia-settings --help` |
| 12:32.07 | preston | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.09 | Jemt | preston: Anyways, that's not the command I told you to use |
| 12:32.13 | Jemt | Oh, good |
| 12:32.21 | preston | ah ok my mistake sorry |
| 12:32.41 | enouf | Jemt: what? at worst, you'd need to run depmod in some way, to disown the last one loaded or something .. doesn't seem right - and remember how i said nvidia-glx is the opengl userspace libs? well, that's another issue, especially between legacy vs non-legacy versions i guess |
| 12:32.46 | Jemt | preston: Sure your xorg.conf is good ? |
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| 12:33.33 | Jemt | enouf: My solution installed them as needed was just much simpler - and I wasn't supposed to do a lot of file handling - it was really, really simple |
| 12:33.54 | enouf | Jemt: no, compiling at bootup is not simple ;-) |
| 12:34.17 | Jemt | enouf: It's working fine for me. But there might be complications that I'm not able to see |
| 12:34.22 | enouf | and messing with gcc versions and shit - you can really break someone's system :-0 |
| 12:34.35 | enouf | whatever |
| 12:34.45 | liable | !whatever |
| 12:34.46 | dpkg | [whatever] the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 12:34.46 | Kingstone | anyone knows how can i develop for debian packaing? like say instead of using commands like apt-get, use my code with a library of debian to download packages? |
| 12:34.47 | Jemt | That's why I wanted to make sure the 'export' wouldn't effect other scripts |
| 12:35.06 | liable | Kingstone: you what? |
| 12:35.07 | enouf | oh .. there's liable at the red wagon .. lemme grab the shotgun :-P |
| 12:35.11 | jelly-home | enouf: (module rebuild n init script) it usually either works or not |
| 12:35.16 | liable | :D |
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| 12:35.31 | preston | think ive got it jemt thanks for the feedback brb |
| 12:35.39 | jelly-home | enouf: no harm done in failing to rebuild an already nonworking module |
| 12:35.41 | Jemt | preston: :) |
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| 12:36.06 | lummox | dfrank, I dont know. :D Maybe this can help you: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/log-files.html |
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| 12:36.17 | Kingstone | there suppose to be a packaging retrival mechanism using code instead of executable apt-get, right? |
| 12:36.19 | enouf | Jemt: it will affect the shell and perhaps any/all children, until you do another export to return it to what it was, or you close out that shell session |
| 12:36.27 | Kingstone | where can i find this code/library? |
| 12:36.35 | liable | Kingstone: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 12:36.43 | dfrank | lummox: thanx ) |
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| 12:36.59 | enouf | Jemt: IOW, export is a shell envionment session specific |
| 12:37.04 | lummox | dfrank, The table on the first site tells you what the different log files are used for. :D |
| 12:37.29 | enouf | Jemt: er .. IOW, export is a shell session environment variable specific ;-) there |
| 12:37.36 | Kingstone | build apt-get for a non supported OS |
| 12:37.44 | Jemt | enouf: That was exactly what I feared. But I can easily read the current value, change it to the old GCC, and afterwards change it back. But it's a bit dangerous, I know that - worst case the nVidia installer fails and dosn't return to my shell script that puts back the original GCC version |
| 12:37.54 | Kingstone | but i don't want to use apt-get as standalone |
| 12:38.01 | MrTapir | mhmh |
| 12:38.03 | Kingstone | i want to interact the ability with my software |
| 12:38.04 | MrTapir | bla |
| 12:38.04 | liable | Kingstone: i guess you should look at lib-apt and go from there. |
| 12:38.06 | MrTapir | i want a backport |
| 12:38.12 | MrTapir | heimdal ^^ |
| 12:38.14 | MrTapir | 1.2 on etch |
| 12:38.15 | Kingstone | ok i'll search for it, thanks |
| 12:38.24 | enouf | Jemt: or, you could just play with the symlinks in /usr/bin/gcc :-P but i'm told that's worse to do :-P |
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| 12:38.44 | Jemt | enouf: Hehe :p |
| 12:39.03 | enouf | Jemt: then definitely, the change will be system-wide :-P |
| 12:39.05 | MrTapir | or heimdal-kdc-dbg |
| 12:39.21 | Jemt | enouf: I definitely don't want that! :P |
| 12:39.54 | liable | if you are doing it at init, how do you know which gcc you want anyway? |
| 12:40.44 | tiancai | bye guys! |
| 12:40.48 | Jemt | enouf: Well, I will play on with my own solution. I definitely don't doubt that your solution is better (having all drivers installed under different kernel module names) - but that's version 2. Right now I just want a "working" solution |
| 12:41.01 | enouf | tiancai: c ya ;-) |
| 12:41.06 | Jemt | So thanks again :) |
| 12:41.17 | pingouin | is it ok that when i plug a usb device to copy file to or from, the load as seen by htop, can raise to 4.5 ?! or i forgot something in a custom kernel ? |
| 12:41.20 | ces200 | hi, i am using debian 4 etch, i dont run evolution backup, how can i do? |
| 12:41.26 | Jemt | liable: I know what version the kernel was built with |
| 12:41.34 | liable | what year is it this year? i think its bull, should be bear.. |
| 12:41.37 | enouf | Jemt: bring your stack of your own Video cards O_o |
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| 12:42.07 | liable | Jemt: huh? you have several kernels on it? |
| 12:42.11 | enouf | Jemt: how about expanding that USB key .... -->>> all the way to a full blown Craptop!? |
| 12:42.23 | Jemt | enouf: Hah, that's not gonna work. I'm not allowed to open all computers I use the USB stick on :p |
| 12:42.30 | liable | if so, why cant you just build daid modules for said kernels? |
| 12:42.31 | Jemt | enouf: LOL :p |
| 12:42.34 | enouf | right - see last comment |
| 12:42.36 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:42.38 | Jemt | liable: No |
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| 12:42.48 | enouf | liable: daid? |
| 12:42.53 | enouf | liable: stop mumbling |
| 12:42.55 | liable | Jemt: then wtf does the kernel have to do with it? |
| 12:43.03 | enouf | oh /said/ |
| 12:43.20 | Jemt | liable: The kernel seems to be build using gcc-3.1 while I have gcc-4.1 installed (m-a did that if i'm not mistaken) |
| 12:43.41 | liable | Jemt: etch kernel? |
| 12:43.45 | Jemt | Lenny |
| 12:43.51 | liable | well no then |
| 12:44.27 | Jemt | Actually I don't remember how I found out what gcc to use. I think the nVidia driver told me to use that version. But I'd better double check |
| 12:44.32 | liable | lenny kernels are 4.1 |
| 12:44.55 | Jemt | Hm, I see. Then I definitely have to check it |
| 12:44.56 | enouf | judd: versions gcc |
| 12:44.57 | judd | enouf: gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15 lenny: 4:4.3.2-2 sid: 4:4.3.2-2 |
| 12:45.12 | Jemt | 4.3 O.O |
| 12:45.12 | enouf | !pal liable |
| 12:45.12 | dpkg | points at liable and laughs uproariously |
| 12:45.15 | liable | judd: who owns you? |
| 12:45.16 | judd | liable: Error: "who" is not a valid command. |
| 12:45.20 | enouf | heh |
| 12:45.23 | MrTapir | why the fuck are there packages which depend on krb5-dev and wont allow heimdal-dev |
| 12:45.28 | liable | is that your bot? |
| 12:45.38 | enouf | mine? no, it's stews |
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| 12:45.51 | enouf | does that matter? |
| 12:45.57 | Eulex | MrTapir, file a bug if you feel it's wrong? |
| 12:45.58 | liable | enouf: why pal me? lenny kernels are gcc 4.1 as i stated? |
| 12:46.08 | MrTapir | Eulex: how |
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| 12:46.11 | enouf | liable: really? |
| 12:46.14 | Jemt | judd is lying :p |
| 12:46.14 | judd | Jemt: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
| 12:46.20 | Eulex | !tell MrTapir about bts |
| 12:46.39 | liable | enouf: seeing as my 26 sid kernel is.. yes |
| 12:46.58 | liable | !lose enouf |
| 12:47.00 | enouf | liable: that's a prerelease versioning |
| 12:47.00 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
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| 12:47.10 | enouf | liable: read the changelogs for the kernel |
| 12:47.30 | prxtien | are there any good QOS options for debian? i am using a debian system as my nat router and looking to setup some qos for voip and vpn traffic |
| 12:47.49 | liable | enouf: i dont care what the changelog says, version says 4.1 |
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| 12:49.47 | acu | my hard disk is spinning continuously - is it possible that the swap is full - how can I check that- any other suggestion ? |
| 12:50.00 | liable | acu: free |
| 12:50.01 | enouf | liable: - better gcc-4.3 support (closes: #492301) |
| 12:50.03 | Jemt | acu: 'top' from a command line |
| 12:50.14 | enouf | - SPARC: Fix link errors with gcc-4.3 |
| 12:50.26 | enouf | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/sid/linux-2.6/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=1 |
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| 12:51.59 | liable | enouf: whether sparc uses gcc-4.3 i dont care. my current kernel is using 4.1 as lenny's would be. |
| 12:52.07 | enouf | liable: no it won't be |
| 12:52.29 | enouf | otherwise that version of gcc would be in lenny - it's not |
| 12:52.29 | liable | well, then why does /proc/version lie to me? |
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| 12:52.33 | enouf | it doesn't |
| 12:52.42 | enouf | it's a PRE-RELEASE build |
| 12:52.53 | liable | its still says 4.1 |
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| 12:53.06 | enouf | i know what it says - i have them here ;-) |
| 12:53.34 | liable | so stop telling me its not 4.1 :P |
| 12:53.39 | enouf | dares liable to /join -kernel .. again :-P |
| 12:54.09 | liable | i have enough hate from the last time to last a while |
| 12:54.19 | enouf | hahaha .. awe .. |
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| 12:54.32 | enouf | wasn't that in -boot? or .. was it -kernel? |
| 12:54.38 | liable | kernel |
| 12:54.42 | enouf | ahh .. twas -kernel :-) |
| 12:54.51 | liable | i make an ass of myself in a lot of channels though |
| 12:55.03 | enouf | knows how tospin liable 's little red wagon's wheels :-P |
| 12:55.42 | liable | they arent spinning.. they are firmly bogged atm.. |
| 12:58.28 | valdyn | !tell prxtien -about wondershaper |
| 12:59.16 | enouf | liable: you do have a point as it pertains to binary blobs and what versions they expect though .. since even looking now, the source pkgs for linux-2.6 still list gcc 4.1 as the adep |
| 12:59.35 | liable | !win me |
| 12:59.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won the US presidency! |
| 13:00.13 | liable | dpkg: can i swap it for a burger? i'm hungry! |
| 13:00.13 | dpkg | liable: bugger all, i dunno |
| 13:00.45 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 13:00.45 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 13:01.00 | comsa | dpkg so koooooool |
| 13:01.00 | dpkg | comsa: wish i knew |
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| 13:03.05 | ces200 | !help |
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| 13:03.51 | ces200 | i dont run evolution backup, how can i do? |
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| 13:04.22 | Ash-Fox- | ces200, I don't run evolution backup either. |
| 13:04.34 | Ash-Fox- | ces200, how can you do what? |
| 13:05.32 | pepperbob | ces200: http://www.google.de/search?num=20&hl=en&q=backup+evolution&btnG=Search |
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| 13:06.24 | ces200 | file/backup setting |
| 13:06.35 | ces200 | but dont run |
| 13:06.49 | Ash-Fox- | ces200, I don't use evolution, sorry. |
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| 13:08.53 | ces200 | Edit -> Plugins -> Backup and Restore ok ? |
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| 13:09.51 | ces200 | ok thnks |
| 13:10.04 | pingouin | is it ok that when i plug a usb device to copy file to or from, the load as seen by htop, can raise to 4.5 ?! or i forgot something in a custom kernel ? |
| 13:10.09 | pepperbob | ces200: you could easily backup your entire home directory or the specified evolution directories and just re-cover if necessary. |
| 13:10.50 | Vladdeh[DB] | How am I suppose to install gcc if I installed debian from cd1.iso |
| 13:11.03 | Vladdeh[DB] | apt-get requires cd6 |
| 13:11.10 | pepperbob | ces200: btw there's even a nice script named "reoback" which does a quite good job. |
| 13:11.21 | liable | pingouin: whats htops load got to do with it? |
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| 13:11.48 | pingouin | i need htop/top or uptime command to ses the load |
| 13:12.26 | liable | pingouin: again, what does load have to do with whether you can copy a file to a usb device? |
| 13:12.53 | pepperbob | liable: he wants to know if its usual that his processor load increases that high |
| 13:12.53 | pingouin | i mean the load increase a lot for a simple cp |
| 13:13.01 | pingouin | on usb |
| 13:13.10 | pepperbob | erm.. increases that much :) |
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| 13:14.04 | pingouin | when i cp files on hd (sata/ide) i barely see the load moving |
| 13:14.32 | liable | pingouin: you should ask in #kernel why this is so |
| 13:14.32 | pingouin | thus on usb, it raise like 5.0 or more sometimes depends the size of directories to cp |
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| 13:15.48 | pingouin | the same with stock's debian kernel also |
| 13:16.44 | liable | go ask kernel people, its not a debian issue. if you are that into watching your machine do stuff, then #kernel is the place for you.. |
| 13:16.44 | valdyn | pingouin: why is that a problem? |
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| 13:17.08 | enouf | Vladdeh[DB]: use the net with apt-get |
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| 13:18.16 | Vladdeh[DB] | enouf: i tried, it doesn't work. Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 13:18.24 | Vladdeh[DB] | when i do apt-get install gcc |
| 13:18.37 | pepperbob | Vladdeh[DB]: have you configured apt correctly? |
| 13:18.41 | mischief6 | Vladdeh[DB], edit sources.list |
| 13:18.51 | pepperbob | Vladdeh[DB]: basically sources.list? |
| 13:19.01 | enouf | pingouin: might also ask on #kernelnewbies on irc.debian.org - but what are your mount options? and maybe you;re in async mode and using usb 1.1 and using the wrong FS type for speed? |
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| 13:19.22 | enouf | Vladdeh[DB]: comment out the cdrom line - and use the net |
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| 13:19.51 | enouf | tell me your NIC is broke - go on |
| 13:19.59 | pingouin | enouf: vfat rw,user,noauto |
| 13:20.01 | Vladdeh[DB] | Thanks |
| 13:20.13 | enouf | Vladdeh[DB]: run apt-get update prior |
| 13:20.18 | pingouin | no choise for the vfat, it how the keywork - it's a flac player in fact |
| 13:20.25 | liable | my nic is broke, dangnammit! |
| 13:20.31 | enouf | vfat can be fast |
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| 13:21.07 | valdyn | pingouin: high load is not a problem. |
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| 13:21.20 | enouf | but ,, well the way usb flash media works .. maybe people should use jffs2 or something? or is that ro only? |
| 13:21.32 | valdyn | pingouin: some problems can cause high load, but not vice versa |
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| 13:22.03 | Vladdeh[DB] | omg can someone give me another website to put in sources.list ? the one there goes with 500 bytes/s |
| 13:22.03 | Baloo | Hello, on a new testing install using this week's weekly image, networkmanager doesn't want to work right on my fiancée's thinkpad x60 |
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| 13:22.26 | enouf | there's this new UIBS FStype for other types of flash, not MMC types, not usb flash .. awe crap - fuck it, i give up with these stupid gadgets |
| 13:22.39 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 13:22.39 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 13:22.41 | Baloo | The deal with it is NetworkManager is running, as is the dispatcher, but nm-applet never displays an icon and simply says "NetworkManager is not running..." and refuses to do anything. Where can I start troubleshooting? |
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| 13:25.26 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.41 | Vladdeh[DB] | did apt-get install gcc..said it was done but still |
| 13:26.43 | Vladdeh[DB] | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 13:27.45 | enouf | tarzeau: ping |
| 13:28.00 | enouf | !b-e Vladdeh[DB] |
| 13:28.00 | dpkg | Vladdeh[DB]: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:28.37 | valdyn | !b-e Vladdeh[DB] |
| 13:28.37 | dpkg | Vladdeh[DB]: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 13:28.55 | Vladdeh[DB] | Thanks, got it the first time :P |
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| 13:30.25 | Vladdeh[DB] | Works finally |
| 13:30.27 | Vladdeh[DB] | Thank you |
| 13:30.29 | enouf | tarzeau: just curious, when you visit the git repos from links say from http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28 - say this commit link http://git.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=4793e7c5e1c88382ead18db5ca072bac54467318 Do you also need to Refresh the page to be able to view it? I do, it's annoying, i can't seem to find any option that enables refresh/forwarding/whatever in Settings > {Network} options and |
| 13:31.18 | enouf | tarzeau: s/visit git.kernel.org using links2 -g say from .../ |
| 13:32.14 | enouf | tarzeau: not that i want my browser doing Auto-Refresh (that really sucks ass .. stupid websites/devs/users) .. but, can you think of a workaround? |
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| 13:34.42 | enouf | http://lwn.net/Articles/276025/ and http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.27/Documentation/filesystems/ubifs.txt (UBIFS info) |
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| 13:42.07 | Alex815 | aptitude shows this message - The following packages have been kept back: |
| 13:42.13 | Alex815 | and lists packages |
| 13:42.17 | Alex815 | what does it mean? |
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| 13:54.43 | valdyn | !kept back |
| 13:54.44 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
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| 13:59.43 | mhymn | alas, already gone... |
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| 14:02.53 | Gruelius | hey is there a package that would generate md5sums recursively and check them routinely, emailing if theres an issue? |
| 14:02.53 | Gruelius | i can do it manually with md5deep but id rather it be auto lol |
| 14:03.25 | asg | Gruelius: tripwire, AIDE, ossec-hids |
| 14:03.33 | Gruelius | asg: thanks |
| 14:04.05 | asg | since there is a remote collision possibility in md5, make sure whatever you choose also supports sha1 |
| 14:04.15 | jianfei | hi, ive just installed debian PPC on a ibook G3 600mhz, it doesnt have an airport card so i was hoping to use Ndiswrapper to use my Linksys WUSB300N adapter, can i do this with PPC? |
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| 14:04.36 | Gruelius | asg: time to google remote collision! thanks :) |
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| 14:05.39 | asg | Gruelius: remote in this sense means 'not bloody likely'. |
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| 14:06.22 | Gruelius | asg: lol, noted |
| 14:06.35 | Gruelius | asg: then again silent data corruption was "not bloody likely" and well.. :( |
| 14:06.41 | asg | jianfei: not likely since Ndiswrapper uses binary dlls for Windows and there hasn't been a PPC version of windows in a long time. |
| 14:06.42 | Gruelius | raid5 write hole ftl |
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| 14:06.46 | asg | Gruelius: ah |
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| 14:07.27 | asg | jianfei: the #debianppc folks may know for sure or have other suggestions though |
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| 14:08.52 | jianfei | asg: many thanks for the channel , im new to debian and want to get wireless working on it. cheers |
| 14:09.14 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 14:21.06 | enouf | !tasksel standard |
| 14:21.06 | dpkg | i guess tasksel standard is dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} t${Package} n' | egrep -i 'important|required' | sort | less will show you those pkgnames that are of priority 'important' and 'required'. Insert 'standard' into the egrep to also show all that are also priority 'standard' (tasksel --list-packages standard). Use "dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} t${Package} t${Status} n' ...." to also list whether they're Installed or not. |
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| 14:21.38 | enouf | crap - where's my \ :-/ |
| 14:21.58 | themill | enouf: dpkg often eats \s. \\ is often but not always required. Don't ask. |
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| 14:24.10 | enouf | themill: i figured it out - thanks ;-) |
| 14:24.25 | enouf | i saw that once somewhere that it happens like that |
| 14:24.29 | enouf | !tasksel standard |
| 14:24.29 | dpkg | hmm... tasksel standard is dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \n' | egrep -i 'important|required' | sort | less will show you those pkgnames that are of priority 'important' and 'required'. Insert 'standard' into the egrep to also show all that are also priority 'standard' (tasksel --list-packages standard). Use "dpkg-query -W -f='${Priority} \t${Package} \t${Status} \n' ...." to also list whether they're Installed or not. |
| 14:25.00 | themill | I'm sure there's a simpler aptitude command for that... |
| 14:25.03 | hark | using aptitude is easier |
| 14:25.09 | enouf | feel free ;-) |
| 14:25.24 | enouf | what's so hard about that one? :-p |
| 14:25.57 | hark | !zoo |
| 14:25.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo!, or a file archiver with compression |
| 14:25.59 | enouf | ~pimportant~i ? |
| 14:27.45 | shahri | !zoo |
| 14:27.45 | dpkg | zoo is probably fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo!, or a file archiver with compression |
| 14:27.53 | shahri | lol |
| 14:27.58 | shahri | sick bot |
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| 14:28.31 | enouf | !sex |
| 14:28.31 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep |
| 14:29.19 | themill | enouf: yeah, and make it !~i to find not installed |
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| 14:29.24 | enouf | no g in diaphram? or .. is that only for those types of diaphrams? :-p |
| 14:30.09 | enouf | themill: aye - it's funny how tasksel --list-packages standard spits out syntax you can use in aptitude :-P |
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| 14:30.40 | themill | it does? I don't have it installed to try that... |
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| 14:30.49 | enouf | one sec |
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| 14:31.27 | enouf | themill: ~$ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs |
| 14:31.27 | enouf | ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 14:31.44 | enouf | i fucked up = it's not --list-packages, but as you see |
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| 14:31.54 | S` | [$$$] anyone know how to set up a vpn server? i need a pptp vpn server with usernames/passwords on 5 public ip addresses, to which people can connect from their homes and then use internet services from their home through the vpn server's public ip's [$$$] |
| 14:32.06 | enouf | dpkg: tasksel standard =~ s/c |
| 14:32.07 | enouf | [09:29:17] <enouf> themill: ~$ tasksel // |
| 14:32.07 | dpkg | enouf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 14:32.14 | enouf | oh crap |
| 14:32.46 | enouf | dpkg: tasksel standard =~ s/--list-packages/--task-packages/ |
| 14:32.46 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
| 14:32.57 | chlue | Hello the search function in kde4.1 has a button 'use file index'. The tooltip shows it uses the slocate index. I use mlocate here. Is there a way to let it use this index? The indexfile is there: /var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db. Both locate-tools are in debian, but mlocate has 10 times as many users and seems to be in a more healthy state. |
| 14:33.07 | themill | enouf: interesting. anyway, if you care, it would be: aptitude search '~pimportant!~i' '~prequired!~i' '~pstandard!~i' (you could join the three outputs first and then look for !~i but that would be uglier syntax...) |
| 14:33.40 | themill | chlue: you're better off asking in #debian-kde |
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| 14:34.47 | enouf | themill: how about sorting it all nice ;-) |
| 14:35.00 | eagle1 | smoke ganja or not smoke ganja, this is the trouble. |
| 14:35.02 | enouf | themill: make that into "tasksel standard2" :-) |
| 14:35.07 | themill | enouf: it's sorted by default |
| 14:35.15 | enouf | oh - way cool |
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| 14:35.52 | enouf | themill: joining them would look like ~prequired~important~pstandard ? |
| 14:37.00 | enouf | or does it need to be comma-separated or something? |
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| 14:37.43 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:37.53 | HardDisk_WP | i have /var/www owned by www-data:www-data |
| 14:38.01 | HardDisk_WP | now, user "marco" is group:www-data |
| 14:38.16 | HardDisk_WP | so I can access the files in /var/www |
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| 14:38.53 | HardDisk_WP | but if I create new files in /var/www, these are owned marco:marco |
| 14:38.53 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make them marco:www-data automatically, given I use vsftpd? |
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| 14:40.14 | click | cd /usr/src/linux && egrep -rni fuck * | wc -l ... |
| 14:40.19 | click | fun read |
| 14:40.22 | HardDisk_WP | :D |
| 14:40.38 | HardDisk_WP | somewhere there is a site with swear word count in linuxkernel |
| 14:40.48 | click | yeah, i just can't remember where |
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| 14:41.19 | enouf | http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ |
| 14:41.27 | click | found it |
| 14:41.29 | click | http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ |
| 14:41.30 | HardDisk_WP | http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/ |
| 14:41.32 | click | err, yeah |
| 14:41.33 | click | :P |
| 14:41.34 | HardDisk_WP | LOl |
| 14:41.36 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 14:41.40 | asg | first hit on google |
| 14:41.44 | enouf | ;-) |
| 14:41.47 | click | yebb |
| 14:41.47 | HardDisk_WP | yep, that's how I found it |
| 14:42.05 | click | seems like crap is taking over from fuck |
| 14:42.47 | themill | enouf: aptitude search '?and(~pimportant | ~prequired | ~pstandard, !~i)' |
| 14:43.10 | eagle1 | LOL |
| 14:43.29 | eagle1 | these are the swear contained in the kernel's source comments? :D |
| 14:43.37 | enouf | for more entertainment do; grep shit /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst |
| 14:43.40 | enouf | :-P |
| 14:44.14 | eagle1 | lol |
| 14:44.18 | themill | HardDisk_WP: make the directory set gid (g+s). You may also want to make umask 002 no 022. |
| 14:44.37 | click | /* What a pile of australian legislature. */ |
| 14:44.41 | click | -- Alan Cox |
| 14:45.18 | H2S04 | snuggles enouf |
| 14:45.36 | enouf | fluffles H2S04 |
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| 14:45.40 | click | hydrogensulfide... |
| 14:45.46 | HardDisk_WP | themill, lemme guess, I have to do this for all directories? |
| 14:45.47 | click | interesting nick :P |
| 14:45.51 | H2S04 | bubbles. |
| 14:46.29 | enouf | haha ..that reminds me of a Jonathan the Magician (comedian) joke |
| 14:47.45 | enouf | asking the helper, that was plucked form the Audience [Jonathan] "Remember the last time you ever blew bubbles when you were a kid" [helper] "yeah .. and?" [Jonathan] "Well he's back in town, and asking me for your telephone number" |
| 14:48.08 | HardDisk_WP | drwxr-sr-x 2 marco www-data 4,0K 2009-01-03 15:47 test |
| 14:48.17 | click | enouf: lol |
| 14:48.18 | themill | HardDisk_WP: umm... probably. find -type d ... |
| 14:48.18 | HardDisk_WP | Crap. |
| 14:48.20 | HardDisk_WP | themill, it's not group-writable |
| 14:48.33 | HardDisk_WP | themill, is that the umask stuff? |
| 14:48.38 | HardDisk_WP | and how do I correct it? |
| 14:48.55 | themill | HardDisk_WP: umask is for the creation of new files; you will need to chmod g+w the dir too |
| 14:49.02 | HardDisk_WP | it is |
| 14:49.13 | HardDisk_WP | drwxrwsr-x 10 www-data www-data 4,0K 2009-01-03 15:47 . |
| 14:49.59 | HardDisk_WP | themill, btw, what umask should I tell vsftpd? it's 077 at the moment# |
| 14:50.09 | HardDisk_WP | 002? |
| 14:50.31 | themill | 002 sounds better if you are wanting to serve files to the world |
| 14:50.35 | enouf | click: if the Indians had given the pilgrims a donkey instead of a turkey for Thanksgiving ; we'd all be getting a piece of Ass on that day :-P <ok, enough OT> |
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| 14:52.59 | HardDisk_WP | themill, what about that when I create directories by mkdir in shell, that these are not groupwritable? |
| 14:53.05 | Jemt | Is it me or is |
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| 14:53.24 | HardDisk_WP | as said, /var/www is rwxrwxr-x |
| 14:54.10 | HardDisk_WP | my own umask is 0022, as running "umask" tells me |
| 14:54.10 | HardDisk_WP | where to adjust that? |
| 14:54.16 | Jemt | '/msg dpkg why nvidia-installer sucks' states that the nvidia installer "overwrites files at random" - how does it do that "randomly" ? It's completely nonsens, isn't it ? |
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| 14:54.22 | asg | HardDisk_WP: in your .bashrc |
| 14:54.28 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 14:54.39 | HardDisk_WP | asg, so I should set it to 0002? |
| 14:54.47 | Jemt | Nvidia describes very well what files are being populated into the system |
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| 14:54.55 | asg | HardDisk_WP: yes, based on what you want to do |
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| 14:55.40 | MartinN00be | www.martin-malischek.de |
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| 14:56.28 | HardDisk_WP | asg, that if I create a directory in /var/www (o+rwx,g+srwx,w+rx,www-data:www-data), it is owned by marco:www-data and o+rwx,g+srwx,w+rx |
| 14:56.54 | Jemt | Installed components: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/173.14.12/README/chapter-05.html |
| 14:57.28 | asg | HardDisk_WP: it should inherit the group owner of the parent dir and have permissions based on your umask |
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| 14:57.53 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, proprietary stuff tends to misbehave...and the NV installer REALLY sucks! |
| 14:58.05 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: How does it "suck" ? |
| 14:58.10 | HardDisk_WP | asg, so 0002 is correct? thx |
| 14:58.19 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, it is not updated automatically by dpkg |
| 14:58.53 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, you're off way better if you use experimental nvidia-* packages, trust me |
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| 14:58.54 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: I see that it has problems when kernel/Xorg is being updated. But it is nothing a driver reinstall couldn't fix |
| 14:59.08 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, and: nvidias installer does not tell the dpkg db that a gldriver is installed |
| 14:59.21 | themill | Jemt: it overwrites files that are supposed to be managed by dpkg. Anything that touches files that are supposed to be managed by the package manager is not behaving nicely. |
| 14:59.24 | HardDisk_WP | please choose the experimental packages and not the NV installer |
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| 14:59.43 | Jemt | themill: I see. What files are we talking about here ? |
| 15:00.00 | Jemt | libgl perhaps ? |
| 15:00.05 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, yep |
| 15:00.10 | Jemt | Dammit :-/ |
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| 15:00.36 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, why? the experimental nv packages work exactly as well as NV installer |
| 15:00.46 | HardDisk_WP | because they are simply the NV installer repackaged |
| 15:01.18 | Jemt | It dosn't support as many cards as the official driver does - also, I need both the 96xx, 173xx and 177xx series as I use my installation with a hugh varity of graphic cards |
| 15:01.33 | HardDisk_WP | it DOES support them |
| 15:01.41 | Jemt | All three series ? |
| 15:02.04 | HardDisk_WP | The 96xx in any case |
| 15:02.30 | HardDisk_WP | the 173/177...are these the workstation cards? |
| 15:02.31 | greymausII | Just moved to debian, what is a good USENET group to keep up with developments? |
| 15:02.40 | HardDisk_WP | Oh youre talking about the driver version |
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| 15:03.01 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: All three series contains both mobile and ordinary GPU support |
| 15:03.10 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: yes :) |
| 15:03.19 | Jemt | Sorry if I'm using wrong terms here |
| 15:03.33 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, http://packages.debian.net/experimental/nvidia-glx => "See /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz for a complete list of supported GPUs and PCIIDs . " |
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| 15:03.55 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, The experimental 177 driver offers support for a lot of shi |
| 15:03.56 | HardDisk_WP | +t |
| 15:04.05 | petemc | greymausII: i dont think many people bother with usenet, why not subscribe to mailing lists? |
| 15:04.21 | greymausII | too permament |
| 15:04.32 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: Thanks. But I think I will expirement a little with the original drivers. I'm pretty sure a driver reinstall will solve most issues |
| 15:04.44 | greymausII | I usually forget my password, and get the messages forever |
| 15:04.57 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, uninstall the NV driver |
| 15:05.08 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, and install experimental's nvidia-* packages |
| 15:05.12 | petemc | greymausII: well, mailing lists are where the discussion happens |
| 15:05.15 | HardDisk_WP | that will solve EVERY of your problems! |
| 15:05.24 | xand | !irssi |
| 15:05.24 | dpkg | hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever "aptitude install irssi" ; see http://www.irssi.org, http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup or see the #irssi channel on freenode |
| 15:05.29 | greymausII | name of mailing list? |
| 15:05.36 | HardDisk_WP | greymausII, have you ever heard of keepass? |
| 15:05.39 | petemc | there are many, check debian.org |
| 15:05.55 | HardDisk_WP | it's a secure password manager |
| 15:05.55 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: I'm not having any problems - at least not yet :) |
| 15:06.00 | greymausII | ta, never heard of keepass |
| 15:06.21 | greymausII | will try |
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| 15:06.27 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, then install the exp nvidia-glx and companions and you won't ever have a problem |
| 15:06.47 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: Thanks for the input |
| 15:06.59 | HardDisk_WP | np |
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| 15:09.23 | Jemt | enouf: Regarding the discussion we had about what version of GCC was used to compile the Lenny kernel.. The nVidia installer complains that GCC 4.1 was used while GCC 4.3 is installed. Installing GCC 4.1 and compiling the kernel module using GCC 4.1 works. |
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| 15:10.38 | chlue | Jemt: Just curios: Do you know if thereis there a special reason the kernel is build with older version of gcc? |
| 15:11.03 | themill | !nvidia compiler fix |
| 15:11.04 | dpkg | To solve the nvidia installer complaining about the gcc version not matching the kernel gcc version, in an ugly but effective way: aptitude install gcc-4.1; mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; sh ./nvidia-installer.run; rm ~/bin/gcc But use the debian packages instead, see <why nvidia installer sucks>, or try export IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 and use your regular compiler (that might work...) |
| 15:11.57 | themill | chlue: gcc 4.2 was known to miscompile kernels. I don't know if gcc 4.3 is known to do this too or if people are just being cautious for the time being. |
| 15:12.18 | Jemt | chlue: Nope, not really. I solved it by installing gcc-4.1 and did 'export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1' |
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| 15:16.06 | chlue | themill: ok thanks. I wondered recently why i have to versions of gcc installed and saw that the 4.1 one is only hold by the kernel. |
| 15:16.07 | SQlvpapir | is pulse audio ment as a replacement for alsa? |
| 15:16.40 | muddd | "/usr/bin/X11/xauth: error in locking authority file /home/superstraw/.Xauthority" when i ssh into my box with -Y and -X for X11 forwarding, I've tried deleting it, copying it over from /root, all that, it keeps making an .Xauthority-c but thats crap too... what is going on here? |
| 15:16.44 | Jemt | HardDisk_WP: By the way, according to the Nvidia documentation: "During installation, the installer will make backups of any conflicting |
| 15:16.44 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.44 | Jemt | y badly |
| 15:17.02 | cahoot | no it's superimposed on alsa SQlvpapir |
| 15:17.19 | HardDisk_WP | Jemt, yepp |
| 15:18.08 | SQlvpapir | ok thanks cahoot:) |
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| 15:19.24 | cahoot | SQlvpapir still not without its problems AIUI |
| 15:20.11 | SQlvpapir | yeah I understand its prematurely adopted by fedora and ubuntu |
| 15:20.43 | muddd | I'm wondering if its something to do with the home directory, its a fat32 drive, maybe i need to mount it a special way in fstab? |
| 15:20.58 | eagle1 | light up a joint |
| 15:21.07 | cahoot | muddd: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:21.18 | muddd | ty |
| 15:21.21 | Jemt | Is it possible to upgrade specified packages instead of the entire system which is what 'aptitude [safe-]upgrade' does? Maybe 'aptitude reinstall <packages>' will result in the most recent version being installed? |
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| 15:21.55 | Jemt | 'aptitude install <packages> --reinstall' rather |
| 15:22.26 | enouf | Jemt: indeed - that .. i finally conceded to - silly binary blobs :-P |
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| 15:22.43 | enouf | Jemt: just install |
| 15:22.47 | themill | Jemt: you can just aptitude install package1 package2 etc |
| 15:22.50 | Jemt | enouf: hehe, okay :) |
| 15:23.00 | enouf | Jemt: uses/looks for the most recent versions available - update prior |
| 15:23.01 | Jemt | Oh, super :) |
| 15:23.18 | Jemt | That's perfect. Thanks guys |
| 15:23.21 | enouf | there's also a -u option, but it's seldom used/needed ;-) |
| 15:23.28 | enouf | atleast for apt-get |
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| 15:24.32 | enouf | Jemt: note; people can have some pin priority settings (pinning, man apt_preferences, see apt-cache policy) which keep certain things from happening as usual |
| 15:24.40 | Jemt | Only available in aptitude it seems (-u) |
| 15:24.49 | enouf | huh? |
| 15:25.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.15 | Jemt | The -u switch - only available with aptitude |
| 15:25.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.15 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.39 | Jemt | Ah, I'm using the 'man' pages on Etch - maybe it's new to apt-get on Lenny ? |
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| 15:26.10 | Jemt | Glad you mentioned the pin prorities - I probably wouldn't have thought about that |
| 15:26.11 | enouf | bah - the upgrade option is really the more apropos choice there |
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| 15:26.23 | enouf | upgrade |
| 15:26.23 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.41 | enouf | Jemt: man apt-get, not apt |
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| 15:26.59 | Jemt | enouf: That's what I'm reading |
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| 15:27.33 | Jemt | enouf: Again, 'upgrade' will upgrade system wide. I only want certains packages upgraded - or rather some packages excluded |
| 15:27.57 | Jemt | Ie Kernel or Xorg |
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| 15:28.15 | enouf | oh sure .. well .. i've used apt-get -u install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 pkg4 ... |
| 15:28.29 | chlue | enouf, Jemt: aptitude -u updates the package lists and then starts the gui. A very powerfull and still somewhat 'noobfriendly' tool in my opinion. (My favorite way to upgrade :-) ) |
| 15:28.30 | enouf | the debian reference mentions it a lot |
| 15:28.35 | Jemt | Super, I'll try that on the Lenny computer when I get back then |
| 15:29.13 | enouf | Jemt: i'm recalling older apt-get versions, from Sarge-> etch ... not sure about etch, i kind of skipped over it ;-) |
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| 15:30.15 | Jemt | Haha, okay. I have always been a "stable" guy. But Lenny seems stable enough right now - at least for Desktop use. I'm not sure I'm gonna upgrade my Etch Server anytime soon |
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| 15:31.56 | enouf | hrm ... |
| 15:31.59 | enouf | In the above examples, giving apt-get the -u option causes it to print a list of all packages that are to be upgraded and to prompt the user before taking action. aptitude does this by default. The following makes apt-get always do this: $ cat >> /etc/apt/apt.conf << . // Always show packages to be upgraded (-u) APT::Get::Show-Upgraded "true"; |
| 15:32.29 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.39 | enouf | $ aptitude install `apt-show-versions -u -b | fgrep /unstable` ... upgrade all unstable packages to their newest versions |
| 15:33.13 | _moro_bana_ | please help, I have installed kvpnc to connect to MS vpn and this is the only way I can have access to internet.the program indicates that my computer is connected but I cant use the connection,help.this is the only thing that has kept me back . |
| 15:33.21 | Jemt | Good to know that - but I'm using aptitude from now on - I only use apt-cache for searching packages, as it also searches the descriptions |
| 15:33.37 | enouf | all that's in Chapter 6 file:///usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html |
| 15:33.55 | Jemt | Okay |
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| 15:34.48 | pingouin | valdyn: ok thanks, i thought it was something misconfigured |
| 15:34.59 | pingouin | (a little bit late) |
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| 15:35.16 | octoserver | how do you register a nick and pass in irc ? |
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| 15:35.33 | asg | octoserver: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:35.39 | octoserver | thanks |
| 15:36.16 | _moro_bana_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.41 | S` | [$$$] anyone know how to set up a vpn server? i need a pptp vpn server with usernames/passwords on 5 public ip addresses, to which people can connect from their homes and then use internet services from their home through the vpn server's public ip's [$$$] |
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| 15:38.48 | asg | S`: there is a pptpd package but you should also look at OpenVPN which is well documented and more flexible. |
| 15:38.49 | enouf | muddd: didn't catch all of your issue but; A user can extract the magic cookie from the .Xauthority file in his or her home directory (using the xauth extract command and give it to another user to merge into that user's .Xauthority file using the xauth merge command. |
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| 15:39.16 | muddd | ah |
| 15:39.42 | S` | asg; i need pptpd, and no, i've tried just about everything i could and i could not get it working. looking for someone who knows how to get it working now [$$$] |
| 15:39.52 | enouf | _moro_bana_: are you using ubuntu or debian - and also, you might want to look into rdesktop? |
| 15:40.47 | asg | S`: well, /usr/share/doc/<pkg> is a good place to start. Also, maybe debian-administration.org or howtoforge.com has a howto. |
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| 15:41.14 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: im on my old rusty ubuntu gutsy now trying to make a switch to debian |
| 15:41.14 | muddd | enouf, what if I deleted the .Xauthority file already, and now I have nothing basically, and when I'm logged on the machine locally as a normal user it creates .Xauthority-c instead of .Xauthority, and I can't log out of my xfce-session |
| 15:41.14 | muddd | it works for root however i should add |
| 15:41.19 | S` | asg; i've been reading documents since october and i can not get it to work |
| 15:41.32 | enouf | _moro_bana_: try starting kde using 'kdesu' (this is not recommended, as you're running with elevated privs) but it's a way to check if there's a permissions issue |
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| 15:42.22 | enouf | muddd: you likely haven't removed the lock files associated with that MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE and/or your xsession |
| 15:42.31 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: i only have gnome installed. |
| 15:43.18 | enouf | like /tmp/.X11-unix/* ... maybe more - do 'printenv' see the xdmctl stuff? there are many vars shown there that might be an issue - AFAICT |
| 15:43.51 | enouf | _moro_bana_: but you said "kvpnc" <-- not a kde app? |
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| 15:44.16 | enouf | _moro_bana_: if it is,make sure you also have the kio-slaves pkgs installed |
| 15:44.27 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: yes its a kde app, installed kde libraries for it to work |
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| 15:44.44 | enouf | _moro_bana_: gnome uses gksu and gksudo as kdesu equivs |
| 15:45.07 | enouf | _moro_bana_: you also need the kio_slaves support - i bet .. let me see |
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| 15:45.48 | MrTapir | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 15:45.53 | MrTapir | #1 0x00002b4c4b698cb3 in gssint_initialize_library () at ../../../src/lib/gssapi/gss_libinit.c:52 |
| 15:45.56 | MrTapir | hum |
| 15:45.58 | _moro_bana_ | enouf:ok |
| 15:46.00 | MrTapir | hum hum |
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| 15:49.46 | enouf | _moro_bana_: trying to make the switch? i can't help you with ubuntu gutsy - but also - maybe install all the Suggested pkg names here http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kvpnc (get them from your ubuntu repos) and ask #ubuntu from now on - also, i don;t see it saying it supports MS vpn at all |
| 15:50.29 | enouf | and this was likely the kio pkg i meant-> kdebase-kio-plugins - core I/O slaves for KDE |
| 15:50.47 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: making the switch to debian, I already have it installed,thats what im working on |
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| 15:51.24 | enouf | there are others as well -- ~$ apt-cache search kio slave |
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| 15:52.26 | enouf | _moro_bana_: and why is through an MS VPN the only way you can access the Internet - can't you use ICS? |
| 15:52.48 | enouf | !vpn |
| 15:52.48 | dpkg | vpn is, like, see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or ask me about <openvpn>. |
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| 15:53.37 | chlue | Is there a certain max of number of rc bugs defined before lenny can be released? I didn't found concrete information what's holding lenny back, out there. |
| 15:53.53 | enouf | !rc bugs |
| 15:53.53 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/, or list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html, also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=testing |
| 15:54.12 | enouf | IIRC, the count should be 0 |
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| 15:54.40 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: im in a university hostel,part of LAN and internet is through the MS server |
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| 15:54.48 | chlue | enouf: sure, but that will never be the case |
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| 15:56.07 | EugenMayer | how do i mount my root partition by UID? |
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| 15:56.34 | Jemt | EugenMayer: First find the UUID: ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 15:56.37 | enouf | chlue: for a time frame it will |
| 15:56.53 | Jemt | Then simply mount it using mount point: /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 15:56.56 | enouf | chlue: for a certain time frame it will |
| 15:57.02 | Jemt | Then simply mount it using mount point: /dev/disk/by-uuid/{uuid} |
| 15:57.15 | bluethundr | what is the most current version of libapache-mod-ssl ? my aptitude is not finding it when I try to install |
| 15:57.17 | enouf | Jemt: you need an initrd for that, and every debian linux-image has one |
| 15:57.22 | EugenMayer | Jemt: will this uuid change if the VM changes? |
| 15:57.59 | chlue | bluethundr: http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-ssl.html |
| 15:58.02 | enouf | Jemt: well .,.. not saying you need , but that's how it's done on debian - the support for using LABEL= and UUID= for / partition is in the initrd |
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| 15:59.03 | enouf | Jemt: EugenMayer blkid is also useful here |
| 15:59.03 | EugenMayer | blkid? |
| 15:59.03 | EugenMayer | no idea what that is, sorry |
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| 15:59.03 | enouf | command |
| 15:59.13 | Jemt | enouf: Ah, yes - I believe that's true |
| 15:59.24 | EugenMayer | i see, but what can it help me with? |
| 15:59.32 | enouf | j0'm0mma |
| 15:59.45 | Jemt | EugenMayer: You should still be able to do what I just explained. I use it all the time |
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| 15:59.56 | pingouin | EugenMayer: are you running Etch ? |
| 16:00.01 | Jemt | EugenMayer: The UUID changes if you make changes to the partition |
| 16:00.23 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: it does support it, pptp |
| 16:00.24 | enouf | !wayttd EugenMayer |
| 16:00.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, EugenMayer? |
| 16:00.30 | EugenMayer | pingouin: yes |
| 16:00.35 | enouf | and answer the others' questions |
| 16:01.05 | EugenMayer | As my VM should get used on different system ( vmserver, vmplayer, vbox ) i want to mount the HDD by uuid, as some might have a sata controller, some not ( sda / hda ) |
| 16:01.08 | enouf | _moro_bana_: ok .. then see the Sugg; * sug: pptp-linux Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP) Client |
| 16:01.17 | enouf | you have that installed _moro_bana_ ? |
| 16:01.26 | chlue | enouf: This means, that lenny will only be released if every RC bug concering lenny has a 'lenny ignore' flag or is being fixed? |
| 16:01.28 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: yes |
| 16:01.49 | bluethundr | I get the following in my output when I try to install libapache-mod-ssl |
| 16:01.51 | bluethundr | No candidate version found for libapache-mod-ssl |
| 16:01.55 | bluethundr | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 16:01.57 | bluethundr | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 36 not upgraded. |
| 16:02.00 | enouf | _moro_bana_: well - try ##networking or ##linux perhaps - i persoanlly won't be able to help further |
| 16:02.11 | Jemt | EugenMayer: I thought the great think about a VM Image was, that the hardware configuration was the same, not matter the host computer running the VM :) |
| 16:02.13 | _moro_bana_ | enouf: thanks |
| 16:02.19 | pingouin | EugenMayer: so, last time i've tried to mount something with UUID, it works perfectly, the device not move, whatever the order it has been plugged in, but.... umount fail with a segfault, only root can umount it :/ |
| 16:02.20 | asg | bluethundr: mod-ssl is integrated in apache2 in etch and higher |
| 16:02.43 | pingouin | EugenMayer: and i dont know if it has been corrected in some update of Etch |
| 16:02.46 | chlue | bluethundr: did you look at the link I posted? That package is no longer available for newer versions of debian |
| 16:02.57 | bluethundr | oh interesting.. well I'm running lenny for the record and when I hit my site with the phpinfo.php page I do not see mod-ssl listed |
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| 16:03.08 | enouf | pingouin: mount with user, or users, option |
| 16:03.26 | pingouin | enouf: too late, i use udev now ;) |
| 16:03.28 | enouf | or use pmount - or setup a udev rule |
| 16:03.33 | enouf | haha |
| 16:03.43 | enouf | since when? udev is so new! |
| 16:04.03 | pingouin | oh ?! udev is new ?! |
| 16:04.13 | enouf | </sarcasm> |
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| 16:04.46 | enouf | lenny uses libapache2-xxx anyway |
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| 16:04.58 | enouf | that's why you use apt-cache search prior :-) |
| 16:05.24 | enouf | man a2enmod |
| 16:05.51 | pingouin | enouf: sorry , i did not see the sarcasm, and did not knew about udev before looking for a solution to plug any of my numerous usb device in any order and not to look at where they are in dmesg |
| 16:05.56 | pingouin | was so painfull |
| 16:06.09 | EugenMayer | anybody know if the vmware-tools work under debian-etchnhalf ( 686 )..i mean the fast-net modules and stuff |
| 16:06.16 | tjtag | enouf: still here, wow |
| 16:06.22 | enouf | pingouin: standard Debian installation since later Sarge install/use udev via default |
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| 16:07.02 | enouf | see list of files |
| 16:07.24 | enouf | oh, work? ask #vmware if it's their pkg |
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| 16:08.37 | EugenMayer | why i cant sees the swap UUID with ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 16:08.46 | bluethundr | nice thanks guys |
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| 16:11.20 | tjtag | Just finished installing virtualbox 2.1 under 2.6.28, works fine |
| 16:11.37 | EugenMayer | tjtag: my network interface does not come up |
| 16:11.49 | EugenMayer | what module did he load |
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| 16:12.15 | tjtag | hmm, mine works fine |
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| 16:13.02 | tjtag | EugenMayer: minie is under X64 - 2.6.28 - grub2 - ext4 |
| 16:13.57 | tjtag | EugenMayer: just tested an install of XP-SP2 under Debian |
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| 16:16.08 | tjtag | enouf: Q, how do I change the order of disks detected when installing debian, if my USB is turned on, tehn my disks are ordered as sde, I always disable before a install |
| 16:16.16 | tjtag | to get around this ? |
| 16:16.26 | EugenMayer | why i cant sees the swap UUID with ls -la /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 16:16.41 | enouf | tjtag: uuids, or labels |
| 16:16.58 | tjtag | EugenMayer: I dont see my either, but everything else |
| 16:17.05 | enouf | EugenMayer: you didn;t generate one .. or it's a file |
| 16:17.15 | EugenMayer | enouf: how to generate? |
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| 16:17.31 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.38 | enouf | mkswap |
| 16:17.56 | enouf | generates one auomatically here |
| 16:18.09 | tjtag | enouf: well, it gives you a choice of partitions, this only happens during intial install, if usd is turned on, I have a builtin 5in1-reader |
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| 16:18.46 | tjtag | enouf: so I turn it off, then the correct labeling is seen, sda |
| 16:19.05 | enouf | tjtag: for removable media, you could easily write a udev rule, but if a /etc/fstab entry is used, use UUID= or LABEL= |
| 16:19.14 | enouf | instead of /dev/nameX |
| 16:19.23 | enouf | tjtag: run blkid |
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| 16:19.38 | tjtag | enouf: during install ? |
| 16:19.58 | enouf | what install? |
| 16:20.34 | tjtag | enouf: I said this only happens during an intiall install of Debian, if usb for the 5in1 is turned on |
| 16:20.49 | enouf | what if it's turned on? |
| 16:21.00 | enouf | fix it upon reboot |
| 16:21.10 | tjtag | enouf: if its turned on sda is sde |
| 16:21.34 | enouf | so? use UUID or LABEL for whatever is on sde1 |
| 16:21.39 | enouf | or sdeN |
| 16:21.59 | tjtag | enouf: Its easy enough to fix by disabling before install, I was just curios if there was another way |
| 16:22.06 | enouf | you don't have an initrd do you |
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| 16:22.35 | enouf | another way to what? |
| 16:22.40 | enouf | fix your broken BIOS |
| 16:23.21 | tjtag | enouf: that the installer would see the physical disks as sda, etc...and not label them sde |
| 16:23.23 | enouf | you could disable the loading of the usbcore/ohci_hcd/ehci_hcd modules prior if you really wanted to |
| 16:23.31 | enouf | you could blacklist those even |
| 16:23.39 | enouf | during install - at the boot prompt |
| 16:23.47 | rgr | I have recently removed gnome as my WM and use xmonad. I have a problem though that something is causing a python process to run at 100% of one of my cores after xsession has run and I have logged in via xdm. Can anyone suggest how I can find out why this process is running and what for? |
| 16:23.54 | enouf | your BIOS determines that tjtag |
| 16:23.58 | tjtag | enouf: ahh, ok...now were getting somewhee |
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| 16:25.22 | enouf | tjtag: even my 1999 BIOS allows me to alter the boot order via Device Interface (PCI Controller Card, Network, Removable Media,etc) |
| 16:25.45 | enouf | as well as the typical 1 2 3 CDROM, HDD, Floppy nonsense |
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| 16:27.03 | enouf | rgr: top/htop, strace, iotop, ps, pstree, vmstat |
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| 16:27.23 | tjtag | enouf: that does not work for me, if usb is turned on, and I have the boot order set to cd, hd...it will still call the partitions sde |
| 16:27.48 | enouf | partitions have numbers - but i get your point |
| 16:28.11 | tjtag | enouf: the only thing that has worked for me so far is to disable the usb, this does not happen on all linux distro's |
| 16:28.12 | enouf | tjtag: your BIOS SUCKS ASS - complain to your Manufacturer ;-) |
| 16:28.31 | tjtag | enouf: but thanks...anyway |
| 16:28.37 | enouf | tjtag: the initrd i'm sure has to do with it |
| 16:28.46 | enouf | it loads the usb stuff early on |
| 16:28.59 | tjtag | enouf: I will look into it more oe day ! |
| 16:29.13 | enouf | however, the installer is highly customized and uses udebs , not debs |
| 16:29.28 | enouf | tjtag: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller |
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| 16:30.01 | enouf | tjtag: cp your initrd somehere; cd /somewhere ; zcat initrd.img-version | cpio -i |
| 16:30.07 | enouf | have a look - shiny |
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| 16:31.00 | JungleBoy | Hello, how should i write a command in cron jobs, if i want to restart apache every sunday in morning? |
| 16:31.02 | tjtag | enouf: its fine now, I have no problems, because I installed with it turned off, and then turned it back on after the install |
| 16:31.05 | d0uglas | Hi. I want to take an old log file and dump it on top of a newer log file (to preserve chronological order). What's the echo syntax to do this in the right order? thanks |
| 16:31.08 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.20 | enouf | oh, that's for ps3 only - hehe |
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| 16:31.51 | enouf | you on a PS3 ? |
| 16:32.17 | tjtag | enouf: no - ASUS M2N |
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| 16:32.35 | HardDisk_WP | does wget support bandwidth metering? ie i start a big fat 4GB download, and have it monitor the bandwidth each second to a file |
| 16:32.56 | enouf | d0uglas: append the new onto the old using >> |
| 16:33.27 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: it does show it via default |
| 16:33.36 | d0uglas | so echo older file.log >> the current.log will put the old file on top? |
| 16:33.41 | enouf | you could redirect stdout to file |
| 16:34.22 | enouf | d0uglas: more like use cat .. use echo if you need to also insert some \n in between old/new break |
| 16:34.36 | enouf | use echo /as well/ |
| 16:34.45 | enouf | no |
| 16:34.55 | d0uglas | okay so cat echo old.log >> new.log ? |
| 16:35.01 | enouf | cat current.log >> old.log |
| 16:35.10 | d0uglas | okay cool. thank you |
| 16:35.15 | muddd | sledgehammer >> my computer |
| 16:35.16 | enouf | will append current after old |
| 16:35.29 | d0uglas | got it |
| 16:36.14 | enouf | d0uglas: there's ways to do what you want - but it's silly to do so when not needed ;-) and it hurts to think about howto do it |
| 16:36.30 | enouf | d0uglas: people in #bash know |
| 16:36.35 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, will try it, thx# |
| 16:36.36 | enouf | and here |
| 16:36.45 | enouf | d0uglas: i'm just not one to worry about it ;-) |
| 16:37.56 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: 2>file.log even perhaps, so wget -P. http://... 2>&1>filename.log perhaps - man wget - it likely even has an option specifically for it |
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| 16:38.32 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, it has an option to specify different styles of the progressbar but not to log it |
| 16:38.34 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you could use tee as well and have it go to both stdout (terminal) and file |
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| 16:39.52 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: hrm - tee >(wget t -P. http://... ) | filename.log perhaps ??? too lazy to test it |
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| 16:40.22 | enouf | whoops, where'd the t in the wget come from O_o |
| 16:41.00 | muddd | :( root can log out of xfce, but normal user can't |
| 16:41.23 | HardDisk_WP | oh, lulz..wget 2> log.txt...it logs each 50KB -.-.- |
| 16:41.31 | muddd | i tried to use xauth to make a new .Xauthority file but it still says problem locking the file |
| 16:42.28 | muddd | and for that user startx makes a .serverauth.*-c file and .Xauthority-c, whats with the -c? |
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| 16:42.55 | muddd | google has been no help, finding alot of people with the problem but no solution, damn my tiny brain! lol |
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| 16:45.53 | ryanCH | i removed my mobo from my case, now when i boot linux plays music but i'm not hearing anything out of my rear audio port, what can i do? |
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| 16:46.17 | muddd | put the mobo back in? |
| 16:46.29 | muddd | ;) |
| 16:46.32 | ryanCH | ehe |
| 16:46.34 | cahoot | strange it boots at all |
| 16:46.49 | ryanCH | it will boot without a case of course |
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| 16:52.49 | enouf | hrm ~$ tee >(wget -P. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kvpnc) | filename.log works, but i need to ctrl-c it |
| 16:56.05 | Jemt | I recieve a Segmentation Fault when I start compiz. The screen also flickers a couple of times. This is what I get in a terminal when running 'compiz' : http://pastebin.ca/1299044 - I'm using a GeForce 4 MX 440 graphic card which works perfect with Hardware accelleration. Any suggestions? |
| 16:56.48 | enouf | muddd: usually the .serverauth.* get generated when you startx with either a) no DM, or b) you logon as a non-passwd/registered user? or something (like your DM doesn't know it's you - you are a Guest, say, using a generic setup/defaults) - i've seen those |
| 16:57.51 | enouf | Jemt: heh, beats my gf2 :-p |
| 16:59.18 | muddd | yup, option (a) for me |
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| 17:00.00 | Jemt | enouf: Heh, believe me, I'm really happy that I got that Gfx Card. It's some powerful shit - way better than the ATI 16 MB Mobility M6 I have in my laptop :) |
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| 17:02.08 | Alex369 | Can you advise me a slight IRC client ? |
| 17:02.31 | cahoot | irssi is the canonical answer |
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| 17:03.00 | Alex369 | cahoot: thanks |
| 17:03.36 | Alex369 | irssi is 12,8 mb ? O_o |
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| 17:07.31 | pepperbob | Alex369: console client? |
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| 17:08.48 | enouf | welp we have a winner; $ wget -P. http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kvpnc 2>&1 | tee filename.log |
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| 17:09.07 | Jemt | \msg dpkg report bug |
| 17:09.10 | Jemt | Doh |
| 17:09.12 | Alex369 | pepperbob: sorry, but i'm italian, i'm not good with english. I've got lenny with irssi |
| 17:09.40 | Alex369 | now I running Kvirc from XpSP2 |
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| 17:10.14 | tjtag | Alex369: Im not a KDE person, but I like konversation |
| 17:10.18 | Jemt | I found that the compiz package dosn't give a working compiz configuration on my box. It started working when I installed the Compiz Config Settings Manager and Ran it. Can anyone reproduce this error? I'm on Lenny |
| 17:10.59 | Alex369 | tjtag: this is the first freeware-client that I found |
| 17:11.21 | tjtag | Jemt: did you install from the repos, I did not have this problem |
| 17:11.25 | EugenMayer | how to let apt delete all the files it downloaded before ( cached tgz) |
| 17:11.40 | cahoot | aptitude clean |
| 17:11.43 | Jemt | tjtag: I did indeed - from the Lenny repos |
| 17:11.46 | tjtag | Alex369: konversation is in the debian repos |
| 17:12.01 | tjtag | Jemt: hmm |
| 17:12.06 | Alex369 | tjtag: on debian I use irssi (kvirc is for windows) |
| 17:12.13 | Jemt | tjtag: Actually, no plugins were loaded during the start of compiz, before after I ran ccsm (the Settings Manager) |
| 17:12.25 | wd_ | omg do i need all this for k3b..i'm trying to leave my system lean? gees. http://pastebin.com/m223e5fb0 |
| 17:12.29 | Jemt | tjtag: But I can't see why it should result in a Segmentation Fault |
| 17:12.38 | Jemt | That's kind of bad error handling :) |
| 17:12.49 | tjtag | Jemt: I installed the fusion-icon as well, started with that |
| 17:13.13 | tjtag | Jemt: me either |
| 17:13.32 | Jemt | tjtag: Okay. I'll try from scratch with a clean installtion, this time installing the fusion-icon then |
| 17:13.50 | Jemt | Thanks. I'll go help the girlfriend in the kitchen :) |
| 17:14.24 | tjtag | Jemt: I followed a guide from somewhere, don't remember, told you everything you needed |
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| 17:16.15 | Alex369 | do you use Evolution? |
| 17:16.24 | tjtag | wd_: k3b need alot :) |
| 17:16.26 | Alex369 | I would remove it |
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| 17:18.36 | Alex369 | do you use the original flash player? |
| 17:19.01 | tjtag | Alex369: who are you talking to ? |
| 17:19.42 | Alex369 | tjtag: general... |
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| 17:20.34 | tjtag | Alex369: Ok, its just the way your sentence is structured |
| 17:20.50 | wd_ | tjtag, yeah i see.. i have a lean machine etch,fluxbox,vlc,aterm,iceweasel :0) just gnomebaker but it's a little slow and i'm getting bad burned iso's.. k3b zooms. i guess it won't hurt to have all those kde libs and extra. |
| 17:21.03 | Alex369 | How can I configure my mouse scroll ? |
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| 17:21.37 | cahoot | wd_: a lean machine only needs genisoimage and wodim |
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| 17:21.58 | tjtag | wd_: hmm, thats all I use - k3b that is |
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| 17:22.21 | wd_ | cahoot, googling now to read on it. |
| 17:22.37 | wd_ | tjtag, yeah on my other boxes too.. |
| 17:23.00 | wd_ | cahoot, shall i assume these are command line apps? |
| 17:23.11 | cahoot | right |
| 17:24.05 | wd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.43 | cahoot | wd_: all other apps are just fluff around those two |
| 17:24.51 | wd_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.57 | cahoot | wd_: a *slight* exaggeration |
| 17:26.38 | tjtag | cahoot: but mostly correct |
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| 17:29.53 | wd_ | :) |
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| 17:30.17 | wd_ | gotta read on this wodim and genisoimage.. :) |
| 17:30.20 | wd_ | ty |
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| 17:30.45 | wd_ | strange because i using gnomebaker i saw a wodim error or something one time. |
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| 17:31.50 | wd_ | tjtag, yeah but gees..do i really need kamera omg? |
| 17:31.58 | wd_ | :) |
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| 17:32.34 | tjtag | wd_: Well, its one of those all in one packages |
| 17:32.39 | basix | my debian machine just panicked several times. it starts up fine. nothing fishy in dmesg. it just panics for no reason whatsoever. i'm running a C2D machine ( Centrino, not Centrino 2 ) and Debian Sid AMD64. Kernel 2.6.24. Everything was fine. My custom kernel panics and even the official debian kernels panic. The only difference between my custom and offical kernels is that the custom one has the low latency option enabled. What could be |
| 17:32.39 | basix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.40 | cahoot | wd_: read /usr/share/doc/wodim/README.ATAPI.setup for a working line to burn a dir |
| 17:32.47 | wd_ | tjtag, yes i know. i know. |
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| 17:33.03 | wd_ | cahoot, ok great. ty. |
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| 17:35.11 | basix | anybody? |
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| 17:36.44 | cahoot | basix: if this is a new problem and you haven't done any new installs I'd turn my eye to hw |
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| 17:38.21 | mischief6 | can anyone tell me what getty is for? :S |
| 17:38.46 | JPT | isn't getty the shell on ALT+F1 to ALT+F6 ? |
| 17:39.05 | mischief6 | i have no idea |
| 17:39.21 | JPT | hmm |
| 17:39.22 | JPT | okay |
| 17:39.26 | JPT | i'll check |
| 17:39.42 | tjtag | mischief6: cat /etc/inittab |
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| 17:40.59 | mischief6 | tjtag, that does not really tell me anything :/ i am trying to slim down my background processes |
| 17:41.31 | tjtag | mischief6: you don't see all the getty in there ? |
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| 17:41.43 | mischief6 | i see them. i do not know what they do. :) |
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| 17:42.38 | Alex369 | how can i change the default WM on lenny ? |
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| 17:48.04 | avu | Alex369, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 17:48.07 | tjtag | mischief6: those are all of your ctrl-alt f1,f2 virtual consoles |
| 17:48.24 | Alex369 | avu: thx |
| 17:48.31 | SQlvpapir | very true indeed |
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| 17:48.42 | sg | augh |
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| 17:48.56 | sg | can anyone help me get my TI89 titanium setup with TiLP? |
| 17:48.57 | Jorophose | any guestimates on how long it'd take to install CD1 on a celeron 500mhz with 192mb of ram?... |
| 17:48.59 | mischief6 | i have never used those, ever tjtag |
| 17:49.14 | mischief6 | is it safe to stop a few? |
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| 17:50.03 | SQlvpapir | dont stop #7 |
| 17:50.19 | SQlvpapir | that is likely to be default for your x session (if you have one) |
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| 17:53.25 | enouf | Jorophose: 1hour or so |
| 17:54.06 | enouf | Jorophose: depends on how many pkgs you choose to add using apt-get, your network conn speed, and how many in tasksel you choose |
| 17:54.13 | SQlvpapir | depends on how much stuff one wants and prolly the fs/disk and cd drive etc |
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| 17:55.07 | buntfalke | which package do i need to rebuild to get support for hbci using smartcards? |
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| 17:55.49 | SQlvpapir | more likely to be a kernel module? just a guess, dno what hbci is =) |
| 17:57.15 | enouf | buntfalke: no idea, maybe * sug: opensc SmartCard utilities with support for PKCS#15 compatible cards ? |
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| 17:58.11 | buntfalke | that's unrelated. |
| 17:58.33 | enouf | mischief6: if you remove say 6,5,4 .. X might run on 4 instead of 7, though if using a DM, that might be pinned to 7 |
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| 17:59.22 | mischief6 | there are only entries for 1-6 |
| 17:59.30 | enouf | !dict hbci |
| 17:59.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'hbci' HomeBanking Computer Interface Internet, banking, Germany, HBCI |
| 17:59.44 | enouf | wow - it knows ;-P |
| 17:59.54 | buntfalke | :-) |
| 18:00.16 | enouf | ok then apt-cache search hbci |
| 18:00.28 | buntfalke | well. it is not that easy. |
| 18:00.35 | enouf | ok then apt-cache search smartcard hbci even - then /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 18:00.50 | enouf | sure it is ... unless it's a kernel module |
| 18:01.06 | buntfalke | Support for what I need is disabled at compile time in Debian, because of some silly openssl / gnutls foo, and I don't know how to fix it so I get my hardware working. |
| 18:01.30 | enouf | then you want tp recompile the kernel likely |
| 18:01.50 | buntfalke | has nothing to do with the kernel... |
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| 18:10.11 | Jorophose | enouf: well, it's the xfce CD, so I'm thinking I don't need to apt-get anything do I? |
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| 18:11.17 | schme_ | Jorophose: Yes, yes you do. |
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| 18:13.54 | Jorophose | schme_: What do I need to apt-get then? not counting packages that I'm going to add myself (things like games and stuff) |
| 18:14.30 | schme_ | Jorophose: Well I dunno. But if your installing debian packages it doesn't really matter if your source is a CD or a webserver. |
| 18:14.43 | schme_ | Jorophose: But sure you could use dpkg to install 'em if you like. |
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| 18:17.45 | Jorophose | schme_: Well, my internet connection is slow, so I was hoping it would just pull all the packages off the CD... it seems like everything is on there too. |
| 18:18.30 | craigevil-eee | the xfce cd will give you a working xfce desktop |
| 18:19.05 | schme_ | Jorophose: Yes. But you use aptitude or apt-get to pull it from the CD. |
| 18:19.21 | schme_ | Jorophose: ask dpkg about deb-src |
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| 18:20.25 | enouf | schme_: deb-src is only needed if one wants to build shit |
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| 18:21.05 | schme_ | oh I thought the factoid on deb-src was how to set up sources for debs. |
| 18:21.14 | enouf | Jorophose: /msg dpkg cd contents ..eventually you will need things not on the CD, and also, the CD will not have updated nor (recent) security fixed versions |
| 18:21.18 | schme_ | build shit is what one wants to do though :) |
| 18:21.29 | enouf | schme_: that would be /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 18:21.44 | schme_ | ah cool |
| 18:21.46 | enouf | Jorophose: /msg dpkg security too |
| 18:22.56 | enouf | Jorophose: once you find you can no longer get anything useful off the CD, comment out the file:/cdrom line in your sources.list |
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| 18:23.41 | enouf | you don't need to use dpkg -i to install locally d/l pkgs, you can use apt-get, aptitude, even a GUI frontend - but the 1st two mentioned are best |
| 18:24.30 | enouf | er .. i mean, you will use dpkg -i once you need to install locally d/l or locally compiled pkgs only .. not for what you mean with installation |
| 18:24.32 | Jorophose | enouf: Well, is it possible to install the CD's version of everything and then update? I'd rather have a working system sooner and then later patch it up... |
| 18:25.34 | enouf | sure - just use the cdrom - easiest is likely to setup the network, then go in and comment out the repos, until after you finish installing and reboot |
| 18:25.46 | JordiGH | Jorophose: Sure, you can tell d-i to not use a network mirror. |
| 18:26.01 | enouf | Jorophose: there's also apt-cdrom .. but you shouldn't need it |
| 18:26.19 | Jorophose | JordiGH: And then when I'm done I can just add in a network mirror? Where's that file again?... |
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| 18:26.35 | enouf | JordiGH: only thing is, it sets it all up so one doesn't have to fiddle with all that later |
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| 18:27.44 | JordiGH | enouf: Doing a lenny install now. :-/ |
| 18:28.28 | enouf | i guess the dist-upgrade didn't go so well JordiGH ? |
| 18:29.16 | NOTOKAY | dist-upgrade has never failed for me |
| 18:29.17 | Jorophose | Ah, I have to do the same... But my CD isn't new. Can you check the date off of the CD? Like when that ISO was packaged? |
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| 18:31.17 | JordiGH | enouf: This was really weird.. I was having issues with wireless, graphics, and sound... issues that everyone says shouldn't be there because I had a new enough kernel. I don't know if there was an unholy mixture of etch and etchnhalf going on, but I think that was it. I've wiped the installation clean. :-( |
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| 18:33.19 | TwistedEmo | !windows |
| 18:33.20 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
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| 18:36.44 | Jorophose | Well... on a 512k connection how long do you guys think it would take to update everything? |
| 18:37.11 | jelly-home | Jorophose: depends on how large your everything is |
| 18:37.22 | chrismurf | I'm using CDBS to package a python module that includes a single script -- how can I tell it to put the script in /usr/bin? Any pointers in the right direction? |
| 18:38.04 | Jorophose | hmm... well it seems its an "2008/08/25" snapshot. So I've got a good 4 months worth of catchup. Do you think a whole bunch of packages changed? =/ |
| 18:38.16 | Jorophose | If I have to redownload ~700MB worth of files this is going to suck. =/ |
| 18:38.36 | xsdg | Jorophose: apt-get -u upgrade |
| 18:38.45 | xsdg | Jorophose: should show you how much there is to update |
| 18:38.49 | jelly-home | Jorophose: it's going to be less than that with debian stable |
| 18:39.17 | Jorophose | When running the testing installer, will it automagically fetch the latest packages? or will it let me do that on my own time? |
| 18:40.24 | basix | i posted a while ago that my machine, running Debian Sid, was crashing ( kernel panics ). I am running an alternative OS ( u can guess what ) for quite some time now and it hasn't crashed / hung. So that leads me to believe that my Debian install is at fault. How do I rectify this? Do I need to reinstall debian? Update all packages? To do that I'll need to boot debian again but then it may crash during the update process. Is it possible some malicious prog |
| 18:40.24 | basix | ram is causing this? |
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| 18:42.39 | chrismurf | basix, it could be any number of things. Reinstalling might fix it, but it might also just be a problem of hardware support or something else. |
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| 18:42.39 | chrismurf | kernel panics can happen for many reasons. |
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| 18:44.20 | Jorophose | Software is easier to replace than hardware. Try that first |
| 18:44.41 | basix | chrismurf, well i didnt have any issues for 4 months that i've been using Sid. All of a sudden today it starts panicking. Its definitely not a hardware issue I'm sure since the machine is stable on doze. All hardware was / is supported quite well out of the box I'm sure of that too since everything was working fine and no odd entries in dmesg for so long. I would've noticed for sure. So that eliminates driver issues, bad hardware. |
| 18:45.09 | JordiGH | I have two laptops, one for which wireless works and one for which it doesn't yet. I'd like to connect the wirelessless laptop wirefully to the wireless one and have it use the wireless's wireless. In short, I want a laptop to relay the internet to the other. How can I do this? |
| 18:45.18 | chrismurf | not really, but it does point towards software - Jorophose is right. Try a reinstall. |
| 18:45.57 | basix | JordiGH, search for IP Forwarding, NATing |
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| 18:46.38 | basix | chrismurf, in your opinion it could still be a hardware issue? |
| 18:47.17 | chrismurf | meh - I've had memory and hard disk failures exhibit themselves in very strange ways |
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| 18:47.26 | chrismurf | you're probably right, and a reinstall would probably fix it |
| 18:47.30 | Jorophose | how do I scan for recently plugged in devices?... |
| 18:47.37 | Jorophose | it was something about dsmeg... |
| 18:47.39 | craigevil-eee | basix: does it crash in single user mode? you could try running a memtest |
| 18:47.52 | basix | craigevil-eee, i've not tried it |
| 18:48.09 | JordiGH | basix: I need a way to use Starbuck's internet to complete a netinst. :P |
| 18:48.27 | craigevil-eee | then again its sid weird things have been known to happen |
| 18:48.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ipmasq |
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| 18:49.08 | JordiGH | Ah, ipmasq... |
| 18:49.13 | JordiGH | We meet again. |
| 18:49.15 | basix | Jorophose, craigevil-eee, chrismurf actually i think it could be malware since i found out that an account on my machine was recently compromised. i removed the account and deleted the offending program but i'm pretty sure it didn't gain root access. |
| 18:49.19 | JordiGH | But this time, it won't be like last time. |
| 18:49.40 | craigevil-eee | or download the drivers you need on your other laptop |
| 18:49.48 | Jorophose | malware? or like rootkit? :O |
| 18:49.48 | Jorophose | I've heard of wine letting some malware run but I thought people were kidding... |
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| 18:50.11 | themill | Jorophose: a lenny desktop system of that age would easily have over 1 GB of packages to update (mrs themill's laptop was last updated about a month ago and has 600MB to download) |
| 18:50.13 | basix | Jorophose, no this wasn't wine. this was some sort of a full blown IRC relay. |
| 18:50.29 | chrismurf | Jorophose, dmesg |
| 18:50.56 | chrismurf | basix, just format the partition and start over |
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| 18:51.14 | basix | chrismurf, i spent all day yesterday moving 55 gigs into my / partition |
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| 18:51.46 | JordiGH | "IP Masquerade requires the kernel to be compiled with masquerading support" <--- I bet I don't have this installed, do I? |
| 18:51.58 | chrismurf | basix, I give free advice - it may be bad, and you don't have to use it :-) |
| 18:52.06 | themill | JordiGH: if you have a debian kernel you do |
| 18:52.22 | JordiGH | themill: Ah, okay. First problem out of the way. |
| 18:52.24 | basix | chrismurf, thats fine. i do that too :p |
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| 18:53.42 | jelly-home | basix: all day to move 50GB, are your disks 10 years old? |
| 18:54.05 | basix | jelly-home, it took about 45 minutes. i really hate waiting that long. |
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| 18:54.30 | Jorophose | themill: blegh, are you serious? :( this is no fun... when is lenny supposed to become stable?... |
| 18:54.49 | Ian00 | does debian bug tracker do documentation bugs? how could I see existing ones? |
| 18:55.32 | JordiGH | Do I have to do something special to my ethernet card in order for it work as a DHCP server? |
| 18:55.48 | abrotman | Ian00: you mean for lacking docs? or errors in docs? |
| 18:56.02 | \amethyst | JordiGH: you need to run a DHCP server, but otherwise no |
| 18:56.10 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Say, dnsmasq? |
| 18:56.12 | Ian00 | abrotman: errors in docs |
| 18:56.24 | Jorophose | guys, I' |
| 18:56.25 | \amethyst | JordiGH: yeah, though I've no experience with that one |
| 18:56.47 | \amethyst | Ian00: it does have documentation bugs, but there's no special tag for them |
| 18:56.53 | Jorophose | *guys, I've got a SiliconPower USB flash drive, FAT32, that won't work with my computer right now... it's not showing up or allowing me to mount it |
| 18:57.02 | abrotman | Ian00: you can file them like regular bugs .. and please include a patch |
| 18:57.04 | Jorophose | any reccomendations? what command do I put in to mount it?... =/ |
| 18:57.26 | Jorophose | (sorry, I figured it out... I'll shut up now.) |
| 18:57.26 | \amethyst | Ian00: so there's no way to search for documentation bugs only, unfortunately |
| 18:58.14 | Ian00 | thank you :) |
| 18:59.07 | \amethyst | Ian00: sounds like you're a non-coder looking for ways to contribute? |
| 19:00.11 | Ian00 | \amethyst, i code, but not for debian. So, you could say that. |
| 19:00.24 | themill | Jorophose: lenny will be stable soon. hopefully. September last year, in fact.... |
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| 19:01.22 | Ian00 | \amethyst, i like having good documentation, and yes, I would like to contribute to debian docs. |
| 19:01.22 | \amethyst | Ian00: you might also look at http://www.debian.org/doc/todo and http://www.debian.org/doc/ in general |
| 19:01.22 | Jorophose | hmm, guys, how would I remount an old /home partition as my actual /home?... like I'm doing a straight upgrade, and want to use my old /home as the current home?... |
| 19:01.48 | Ian00 | thanks |
| 19:02.09 | \amethyst | Ian00: If you speak multiple languages fluently, there's usually the need for translations, too |
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| 19:04.03 | tarzeau | enouf: pong |
| 19:04.25 | tarzeau | enouf: no idea sorry, ask the links guys? |
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| 19:10.17 | newsense | anyone know how i can stop tripwire from reporting added/removed files in /proc, by default there is an entry for it in the twpol.txt file i commented it out before running tripwire --init but it still added /proc to the db |
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| 19:12.46 | hoxu | any mplayer/mencoder guru able to tell the command to turn flv's audio into mp3? |
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| 19:13.51 | smacnay | I just got a FreeAgent Desk drive for backups. I am assuming that I should reformat the drive and use it that way? Right now there appears to be some Seagate software on there that I am sure is Windows-specific. |
| 19:14.03 | smacnay | hoxu: got to #mplayer |
| 19:14.17 | smacnay | hoxu: they will know how to do that. |
| 19:14.36 | hoxu | I'll ask there, thanks |
| 19:15.00 | \amethyst | hoxu: you might find http://s-z.org/neil/progs/ytmp3.sh useful or informative |
| 19:15.12 | shovi | how do i get envy |
| 19:15.14 | shovi | on debian |
| 19:15.17 | shovi | is there a package |
| 19:15.28 | hoxu | \amethyst, great, thanks |
| 19:16.02 | \amethyst | shovi: not in Debian, but there is a package for etch on the author's page |
| 19:16.13 | \amethyst | shovi: http://www.albertomilone.com/envyfaqdebian.html |
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| 19:16.53 | magyar | what up with gallery2 on lenny, has it been droped? |
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| 19:17.36 | shovi | yeah i was looking at that |
| 19:17.38 | shovi | but i have lennyt |
| 19:17.58 | craigevil-eee | shovi: what do need envy for? |
| 19:18.11 | \amethyst | shovi: you're probably more likely to get help for envy on lenny by emailing the author than asking here |
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| 19:18.19 | shovi | asus g1s graphics drivers, the 8600 m gt |
| 19:18.44 | craigevil-eee | nvidia? take a look at smxi.org |
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| 19:19.47 | shovi | i use this copy of linux on my g1s and eee |
| 19:19.53 | shovi | can i get both graphics drivers workijn |
| 19:19.53 | shovi | ? |
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| 19:20.47 | Jemt | Is it possible to have 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' not create a backup? The 'man' page reveals no relevant switches |
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| 19:21.43 | themill | !why is gallery2 not in testing |
| 19:21.44 | dpkg | gallery2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gallery2 |
| 19:21.53 | themill | magyar: ^^ |
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| 19:22.52 | themill | magyar: removed at the request of the security team. They don't feel they can offer proper backported security support for the next 3 years. Given gallery's record, I can't blame them. |
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| 19:37.09 | magyar | themill: thanks |
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| 19:48.45 | enouf | tarzeau: oh ok .. thanks anyway - btw, can you confirm the behaviour? thanks |
| 19:49.51 | enouf | tarzeau: and which 'c...' named nick is the links guy again? :-) |
| 19:51.03 | enouf | Jemt: just don't use dpkg-reconfigure then, backup xorg.conf and edit it by hand ;-) |
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| 19:52.56 | tarzeau | enouf: clock_ i think |
| 19:53.06 | tarzeau | no i can't, since i'm on mac os x 10.5 ppc currently |
| 19:53.17 | enouf | Jemt: the .postinst script is likely what's responsible - checkout dexconfig and X --configure - but you're on etch, so that's all going away in Lenny, though Xorg --configure might be left for legacy reasons |
| 19:53.54 | enouf | tarzeau: ewww .. thanks anyways ;-) (and thanks for the time .. er, i mean nick :-)) |
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| 19:55.01 | enouf | ~$ strings `which Xorg` | grep -i configure |
| 19:55.19 | Jemt | enouf: Okay, thanks for the advise :) |
| 19:56.16 | tonsofpcs | anyone know of a way to set up a ssh host (either WinXP or Ubuntu 8.10) such that a user connecting doesn't get shell access and that user can forward one specific port? |
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| 20:01.01 | enouf | Jemt: well .. check out the end of /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst (highlight the term backup or BACKUP) |
| 20:02.04 | enouf | it's funny how when others were asking about swear words in the kernel, and i mentioned grep shit (above filename) .. look where we are ;-) # I'm going to get in so much shit for this... |
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| 20:05.33 | lunartear | why would mail be coming to machine X instead of machine Y where the MX records point? |
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| 20:06.15 | Jemt | enouf: HeHe :)) |
| 20:06.17 | JordiGH | Wow, lenny has been loads easier to setup than etch. :-/ |
| 20:06.44 | JordiGH | I still have to figure out if sound and graphics work; haven't installed X yet. |
| 20:06.45 | JordiGH | but wifi is up. |
| 20:07.49 | enouf | gives JordiGH the typical "i told you so" look |
| 20:08.25 | enouf | lunartear: using exim4 as MTA? |
| 20:08.31 | lunartear | enouf yep |
| 20:08.40 | lunartear | on both machines |
| 20:09.08 | enouf | man update-exim[tab][tab] and dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
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| 20:09.10 | lunartear | I'm seeing rejects "relay not permitted" for several domains we host |
| 20:09.13 | JordiGH | enouf: madwifi wouldn't even compile before. :-/ |
| 20:09.26 | enouf | when? |
| 20:09.35 | lunartear | but they should be going to machine Y instead of machine X |
| 20:09.48 | lunartear | there's no MX records for machine X |
| 20:10.03 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.48 | enouf | lunartear: i'm not good with that stuff at all - hang in there - ask again later (try some other channels), ##linux, #exim?? |
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| 20:10.58 | enouf | ##networking? |
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| 20:34.28 | SQlvpapir | SILENCE |
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| 20:35.24 | Jemt | Gotta love it :) |
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| 20:38.35 | Meshezabeel | heya, is there a reason that /sbin is not in the standard environment path settings? |
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| 20:39.05 | Lenox_ | I have debian etch and I'd like to get newer kernel for it |
| 20:39.08 | abrotman | stuff isn't really stuff normal users need |
| 20:39.14 | abrotman | Lenox_: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 20:40.19 | Lenox_ | abrotman, okay, umm what next? |
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| 20:40.57 | Ravesky | PORN, AMATEUR GIRL http://www.sheisawhore.com/index.php?ident=e871d78a720af96eb5060f930fe53e54 |
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| 20:41.41 | Lenox_ | abrotman, I just get the image? |
| 20:41.58 | abrotman | Lenox_: you install the one for your CPU ... i'ts a .24 kernel |
| 20:42.07 | Lenox_ | the headers too? |
| 20:42.19 | abrotman | if you want them .. that's up to you |
| 20:42.46 | Lenox_ | i think they may come in handy |
| 20:42.51 | Lenox_ | some programs need it |
| 20:43.08 | Lenox_ | and its that easy? just apt-get it? |
| 20:43.19 | abrotman | aptitude install foo |
| 20:43.44 | Lenox_ | huh? |
| 20:43.48 | X1938 | how was the one that suggested the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide last time ? |
| 20:44.11 | abrotman | aptitude install <package1> <package2> ... <packagen> |
| 20:44.12 | abrotman | get it ? |
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| 20:44.17 | Lenox_ | what is the 'bigmem' one tho |
| 20:44.21 | abrotman | X1938: google for it ? |
| 20:44.25 | abrotman | Lenox_: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 20:44.31 | Lenox_ | 512MB |
| 20:44.37 | abrotman | you definitely don'tneed it |
| 20:44.39 | Lenox_ | ok |
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| 20:44.58 | patco444 | Learn here how to make money with instant PTC sites - http://instant-ptc-sites.hit.bg/ |
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| 20:45.03 | \amethyst | Lenox_: bigmem is for >4GB with a 32-bit kernel |
| 20:45.11 | Lenox_ | I see |
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| 20:47.18 | Lenox_ | okay |
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| 20:47.28 | Lenox_ | now I just restart and choose the new kernel from grub menu? |
| 20:47.54 | dusted | don't forget to prey that the new version of your kernel does not spew out random bits all over your disk :) |
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| 20:48.16 | Lenox_ | lets see if it works |
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| 20:51.01 | Lenox_ | ok |
| 20:51.07 | Lenox_ | time to install wireless-compat now |
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| 20:51.27 | Jemt_ | Unstable ATI driver >.< |
| 20:52.40 | abrotman | Lenox_: for which wireless device? |
| 20:52.50 | Lenox_ | rtl8187b |
| 20:53.01 | abrotman | !rtl8187 |
| 20:53.01 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | !rtl8187b |
| 20:53.03 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless drivers, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Ask me about <wireless tree> to acquire for earlier kernels. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
| 20:53.07 | abrotman | oh .. same thing i guess |
| 20:53.23 | abrotman | seems like it's already there ? |
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| 20:53.59 | Lenox_ | no |
| 20:54.07 | abrotman | that says it was .. |
| 20:54.09 | abrotman | is |
| 20:54.14 | Lenox_ | since 2.27 |
| 20:54.17 | abrotman | oh .. some 87b in .27 |
| 20:54.28 | Lenox_ | RTL8187b and RTL8187 are different |
| 20:55.03 | abrotman | i see that |
| 20:55.49 | mhymn | iirc .28 is in bpo |
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| 20:57.04 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:57.04 | judd | abrotman: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.6.26+17 sid: 2.6.26+17 |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | seems just a .26 |
| 20:57.45 | mhymn | hmm |
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| 20:59.20 | Lenox_ | hope this works |
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| 20:59.37 | Lenox_ | rtl8187B has been a hassle |
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| 21:04.01 | DeFender1031 | hey, does anyone know a good command-line util for regex based find/replace in multiple articles? |
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| 21:04.04 | DeFender1031 | er |
| 21:04.07 | DeFender1031 | files |
| 21:04.10 | DeFender1031 | multiple files* |
| 21:05.05 | jelly-home | DeFender1031: sed? perl? |
| 21:05.45 | CNerone | hi all, I have a big problem, my hard-disk space became 0 (I was duplicating some data so data were growing) |
| 21:05.58 | abrotman | so delete some stuff |
| 21:06.03 | DeFender1031 | jelly-home, how do i use sed? |
| 21:06.08 | CNerone | I noticed some data had been lost! |
| 21:06.21 | CNerone | xine deosn't run |
| 21:06.28 | CNerone | drupal6 doesn't run |
| 21:06.41 | CNerone | how to konw packages to be reinstalled? |
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| 21:07.16 | jelly-home | DeFender1031: /msg dpkg sed, /msg dpkg sed tutorial |
| 21:09.19 | jelly-home | DeFender1031: the general idea is to sed 's/stufftofind/replacement/g' < input-file > output-file. Use GNU sed's -i option to do in-place munging of files |
| 21:09.38 | jelly-home | DeFender1031: make backups if you're trying -i. |
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| 21:10.23 | DeFender1031 | huh? |
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| 21:11.15 | enouf | who? |
| 21:11.34 | jelly-home | you! |
| 21:11.43 | enouf | DeFender1031: just work with sed without the -i until you're really really sure |
| 21:12.17 | enouf | use -e or something, rtfm :-p |
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| 21:13.21 | Lenox_ | make is taking a long time... |
| 21:13.27 | enouf | CNerone: log in as root in single mode, mount -o remount,rw / then rm some crap |
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| 21:13.35 | DeFender1031 | what's "s/" and "/g"? |
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| 21:14.26 | CNerone | enouf, I removed files and I restored several-GB free space |
| 21:14.32 | enouf | CNerone: try localepurge pkg, see apt-get clean, rm some of /usr/share/doc if really needed, though i wouldn't, move some dir/ with lots of crap off to another HDD and symlink it, etc |
| 21:14.35 | jelly-home | DeFender1031: s/.../.../ is a sed command to search and replace; g is a common modifier (option, if you wish) for that command |
| 21:14.40 | CNerone | enouf, but some app don't run |
| 21:14.49 | Ian00 | DeFender s=substitute, g = global |
| 21:14.53 | Lenox_ | is open-sshd THE choice for me to be able to access this machine from other places? |
| 21:15.19 | enouf | CNerone: do touch /forcefsck and reboot normally |
| 21:15.25 | CNerone | enouf, I think system overwrote data |
| 21:15.49 | enouf | CNerone: then .. reinstall the pkgs that are broke if needed - nothing overwrote nothing, you rm'd shit |
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| 21:16.21 | CNerone | enouf, xine doen't run, drupal doesn't run |
| 21:16.27 | enouf | i saw |
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| 21:16.38 | CNerone | I reinstalled xine, it runs now! |
| 21:16.48 | enouf | i guessed |
| 21:16.54 | CNerone | but... how to know broken packages? |
| 21:17.01 | jelly-home | CNerone: "system" doesn't overwrite data unless told to |
| 21:17.14 | CNerone | I already reboot |
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| 21:17.16 | enouf | apt-get install -f .. or wait till you fire them up ;-) |
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| 21:18.05 | Lenox_ | what keys are ^q supposed to be? |
| 21:18.08 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 21:18.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 21:18.11 | \amethyst | Lenox_: ctrl-q |
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| 21:18.27 | Lenox_ | thx |
| 21:18.28 | \amethyst | Lenox_: note that on most terminals that's consumed at the tty layer for flow control |
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| 21:19.01 | Lenox_ | those were the keys to quit a program |
| 21:19.37 | grendelson | I've recently run an update/ugrade on debian testing. I belive my kernel may have been upgraded. ( from same version to same version) before I rebooted I had an error in lvms and after rebooting I can't start. I can see the lvms drives when I start with rescue isk (knoppix) |
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| 21:19.51 | \amethyst | Lenox_: you can disable the flow control meaning of ctrl-s and ctrl-q (ctrl-s pauses output, ctrl-q unpauses) with stty -ixon |
| 21:19.52 | grendelson | but when I boot normally the root apparently isn;t recognized. |
| 21:19.55 | grendelson | Not sure what changed.... |
| 21:20.21 | grendelson | perhaps ? The drive designatio changed - I don't think I'm getting past initramfs starting.... |
| 21:20.21 | \amethyst | Lenox_: some programs do that automatically, but not all. And that only matters in a terminal (or terminal emulator) |
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| 21:20.50 | grendelson | I am getting to a debian rescue location with minimal commands.... |
| 21:21.14 | grendelson | but when it tries to mount /sys/root etc it fails... so I'm guessing the initramfs |
| 21:21.16 | unixSnob | I ran aptitude remove virtualbox, but it did not remove virtualbox. Is the aptitude remove command hit or miss as far as when it works? |
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| 21:21.54 | jelly-home | unixSnob: you have to user the correct package name |
| 21:22.03 | jelly-home | use* |
| 21:22.11 | unixSnob | ah, thanks.. that's probably my problem |
| 21:22.18 | unixSnob | I didn't use hte proper name |
| 21:22.21 | smacnay | Anyone here purchased a FreeAgent | Desk external drive with advice on how to use it? I am guessing to reformat and alter the udev for the drive so that it doesn't spin down. |
| 21:22.54 | grendelson | so perhaps I have to rebuilt the initramfs ? If this is the problem how can i boot into debian from a cd? |
| 21:22.54 | \amethyst | unixSnob: aptitude search ~i~nvirtualbox |
| 21:22.54 | \amethyst | unixSnob: that will show you all installed packages with "virtualbox" in the name |
| 21:23.00 | grendelson | I shouldn't need an initramfs if I use a rescue cd to boot should I? |
| 21:23.12 | unixSnob | ty! |
| 21:23.12 | mhymn | unixSnob: you might also want to read the error or output info! |
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| 21:23.12 | enouf | smacnay: 1st use it and see if the spindown issue still exists with the kernel you use |
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| 21:24.04 | enouf | smacnay: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/14/187 |
| 21:24.05 | smacnay | enouf: so far, I have not noticed it bwing an issue - any idea on how long before it spins down? |
| 21:24.11 | \amethyst | unixSnob: actually, the package names are long enough that you might want to do aptitude -w 200 search ~i~nvirtualbox |
| 21:24.13 | Qew | smacnay: I use one of those, and I think since the 2.6.24 kernel, the issue about spinning down isn't a concern. It spins down, but spins up when needed. |
| 21:24.17 | Qew | fifteen mins |
| 21:24.21 | jelly-home | unixSnob: also, dpkg -S `which VirtualBox` |
| 21:24.47 | \amethyst | unixSnob: to set the width to 200 characters, leaving plenty of room for the 40+-character package names :) |
| 21:25.00 | smacnay | Qew: thanks - I have had it plugged in and mounted for about 2 hours with no errors yet. |
| 21:25.13 | mhymn | jelly-home: great |
| 21:25.48 | smacnay | Qew: I am not sure whether to reformat the drive for generic Win/Linux plug-in ability or to back up the pre-installed software for later use with a Win machine... |
| 21:25.51 | unixSnob | thanks folks |
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| 21:26.29 | Qew | smacnay: well, I just formatted mine ext3. I don't run windows on any of my machines, so the choice was easy for me. ;) |
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| 21:27.50 | enouf | smacnay: which kernel? |
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| 21:30.01 | WebGUI | woot woot, installing NSLU2/debian lenny :) |
| 21:30.49 | grendelson | Silly me - I just realixed the drive allocation changed.... I had root=/dev/hda2 in my grub menu.1st but rot was really /dev/hda1! |
| 21:31.11 | grendelson | changed that in boot and it seems to be booting. man I keep getting drives changed around - weird.... |
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| 21:33.07 | enouf | grendelson: use blkid to find info and use uuid= or label= to designate / partition ; done |
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| 21:34.53 | jelly-home | grendelson: some partitions editors are prone to changing the partition number |
| 21:34.57 | jelly-home | numbers* |
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| 21:35.42 | smacnay | Qew: my wife has a Win laptop - kernel is 2.6.26 - the deb kernel |
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| 21:36.30 | pobega | If I compiled a bootup logo into my kernel, how would I get it to show at boot time? I can't find anything online |
| 21:36.47 | chemist_ | pobega: splashy? |
| 21:36.47 | grendelson | enouf, I thought I had changed everything to UUID (since I was trying to switch between two version of kernel in past and ad to use UUID since one kernel used hda and another used sda... |
| 21:37.12 | grendelson | enouf, Can I use UUID in grub menu.1st? It will be worth it to put there as well..... |
| 21:37.13 | pobega | chemist_: No, it's actually in the kernel config. CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_VGA16=y |
| 21:37.19 | grendelson | I have UUID in my fstab! |
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| 21:37.28 | grendelson | But not my menu.1st I see.... |
| 21:38.02 | enouf | grendelson: root=uuid=321654321-xxxxx-xxxx |
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| 21:38.25 | enouf | grendelson: also check your #kopt= line is the same |
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| 21:38.51 | jelly-home | uuid are uugly |
| 21:38.51 | chemist_ | pobega: I use splashy |
| 21:39.10 | unixSnob | gnomebaker problem... it acts like it's burning a CD, but the drive does not actually write anything. The dvd burner led does not come on |
| 21:39.26 | unixSnob | it's as if it's in dummy write mode |
| 21:39.37 | unixSnob | but it's not |
| 21:39.56 | unixSnob | does gnomebaker rely on cdrecord? |
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| 21:40.01 | Lenox__ | help |
| 21:40.04 | Qew | smacnay: then you won't face the spindown issue with that kernel (I have that one, too). It's up to you whether you format the drive or not. You can always keep it as it is and use ntfs-3g to mount and write to the NTFS drive. Then again, you can format it as ext3 and download a Windows app to read ext3 (heard of it, but don't know much about it). |
| 21:40.20 | grendelson | enouf - I don't have an #kopt line in my menu.1st? |
| 21:40.27 | enouf | run wodim instead unixSnob |
| 21:40.35 | enouf | grendelson: why not? |
| 21:40.43 | Qew | smacnay: obviously, I mean download and install on your wife's laptop |
| 21:40.46 | grendelson | I don't know :-)? |
| 21:40.56 | unixSnob | thanks enouf |
| 21:40.57 | Lenox__ | was trying out wireless-compat, inserted command 'make load' and then it hanged, keyboard lights are blinking, mouse doesnt respond |
| 21:41.39 | Lenox__ | text that is left on screen: unloading rtl8187 |
| 21:41.53 | enouf | unixSnob: atleast k3b generates output and a log if one wants |
| 21:41.53 | pobega | chemist_: I messaged you, don't know if you noticed :] |
| 21:42.00 | grendelson | Guess I'll read what #kopt does since I don't have any of those in my stanzas |
| 21:42.26 | enouf | grendelson: you didn't install debian ;-) or you did some funky to your install |
| 21:42.26 | grendelson | Anhyone know how to increase volume in mpg123 from command line> |
| 21:42.37 | chemist_ | pobega: splashy allows animations, alpha channel blending et |
| 21:42.48 | Lenox__ | abrotman: what to I do :S |
| 21:42.49 | grendelson | enouf, This is a Really ol install of debian that has been upgraded MULTPLE times... Imaybe 3 versons |
| 21:42.51 | chemist_ | pobega: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashy |
| 21:42.59 | abrotman | Lenox__: reboot the system ? |
| 21:43.10 | Lenox__ | it doesnt respond |
| 21:43.13 | enouf | grendelson: dpkg -l grub | tail -n 1 |
| 21:43.16 | Lenox__ | keyboard or mouse |
| 21:43.17 | grendelson | I still get HDA drives instead of SDA in my install (and I'm running crrent testing.... |
| 21:43.20 | abrotman | Lenox__: hold in the power switch |
| 21:43.24 | Lenox__ | cant switch spaces |
| 21:43.25 | grendelson | enouf - one sec |
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| 21:43.59 | Lenox__ | abrotman: nothing is happening |
| 21:44.04 | grendelson | enouf, grub 0.97-47 |
| 21:44.09 | abrotman | pull the power cord |
| 21:44.30 | enouf | judd: versions grub |
| 21:44.31 | judd | enouf: grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1 lenny: 0.97-47lenny1 sid: 0.97-47lenny1 experimental: 0.97-51 |
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| 21:44.55 | enouf | grendelson: look again in your menu.lst ;-) |
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| 21:45.19 | earthian | Hello when trying to copy a large file over ssh to a remote server I have experienced this nasty error that filled my syslog, messagers and kern.log with http://pastebin.com/m317ef07b |
| 21:45.47 | grendelson | enouf, I will |
| 21:46.04 | enouf | grendelson: grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:46.06 | abrotman | try another different large file? |
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| 21:46.53 | grendelson | enouf, OK I see them they are all remmed out! |
| 21:46.59 | enouf | grendelson: no |
| 21:47.03 | enouf | grendelson: only most are |
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| 21:47.14 | enouf | grendelson: the ones with one # are NOT commented out |
| 21:47.14 | grendelson | #kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro |
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| 21:47.17 | grendelson | OH! |
| 21:47.18 | LenoX_ | :( |
| 21:47.19 | enouf | bingo |
| 21:47.19 | grendelson | ok |
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| 21:47.32 | enouf | grendelson: read the file's comments about the Automagic area |
| 21:47.39 | enouf | man grub |
| 21:48.08 | enouf | so, ##kopt=root=uuid=32165421-xxxxxx-xxx ro |
| 21:48.18 | earthian | abrotman, does not matter seems to be a problem with ath5k/madwifi, kernel (any) and transfer for some time, e.g. 5 minutes. |
| 21:48.42 | enouf | grendelson: but now, the #groot= option takes grub syntax only, so (hdX) only |
| 21:48.55 | abrotman | earthian: you could try asking the ath5k people |
| 21:49.00 | earthian | while browsing the web it stays ok but when the wireless usage is increased and stays for some time |
| 21:49.05 | earthian | hm |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | earthian: you're using ubuntu? |
| 21:49.10 | earthian | where? |
| 21:49.21 | earthian | abrotman, debian lenny with debian trunk kernels |
| 21:49.23 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | it's not a debian kernel from what i can tell |
| 21:49.25 | earthian | 2.6.27 |
| 21:49.31 | abrotman | not an official one |
| 21:49.41 | enouf | try official ... 1st |
| 21:49.49 | enouf | then whine |
| 21:49.52 | earthian | enouf, i tried all kernels since 2.6.18 |
| 21:50.00 | enouf | all Debian kernels? |
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| 21:50.11 | earthian | yes, debian and ubuntu |
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| 21:50.16 | enouf | ... |
| 21:50.25 | earthian | also ath-pci and ath5k |
| 21:50.40 | enouf | i think there's an issue with ath5k .. but sigh ..,.. |
| 21:50.45 | earthian | ok |
| 21:51.00 | legis | are oficial 2.6.18 kernels for lenny? |
| 21:51.03 | legis | *there |
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| 21:51.06 | Shadow_Master | ath5k has proved to work better for me in 2.6.28, compared to e.g. latest madwifi |
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| 21:51.23 | grendelson | enouf, So can I use UUID or not ? Or only if I see the groot syntax? |
| 21:51.24 | enouf | earthian: some news? http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28#head-281b3bcb2a51e0c1ba5bc41126ee87f865aff6a1 |
| 21:51.28 | Shadow_Master | but then again few people are mad enough to compile a non-debian kernel |
| 21:51.39 | enouf | no idea whether it's related to fixing that issue though |
| 21:51.50 | Shadow_Master | s/mad/desperate/ |
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| 21:52.05 | earthian | i did use a kernel from deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel trunk main |
| 21:52.06 | enouf | grendelson: no, i was just commenting about #groot= .. use uuid as i showed above |
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| 21:52.57 | LenoX_ | :( |
| 21:52.57 | enouf | grendelson: so, yes, use UUID= .. capitalize it, just in case ... in both places |
| 21:52.57 | abrotman | legis: no |
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| 21:53.44 | enouf | earthian: yes, but you compiled it, means you could've altered the options/config and many other things like patchsets |
| 21:53.54 | earthian | enouf, i did not |
| 21:54.18 | earthian | apt-get install linux-kernel-2.6.27-1-686 was my command to install |
| 21:54.21 | enouf | ok , then .. all i can say is start bug reporting maybe |
| 21:54.30 | enouf | that's wrong |
| 21:54.32 | enouf | ;-) |
| 21:54.34 | earthian | alright |
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| 21:54.42 | enouf | linux-image-name .. |
| 21:54.53 | earthian | linux-image .. |
| 21:55.11 | enouf | earthian: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 21:55.11 | earthian | riight :D |
| 21:55.12 | earthian | no |
| 21:55.12 | enouf | ruh roh |
| 21:55.18 | enouf | earthian: how did you end up with a .deb ? |
| 21:55.26 | earthian | its in there already |
| 21:55.35 | enouf | oh, .. it's in the repos? |
| 21:55.40 | enouf | ok |
| 21:55.51 | enouf | hot off the presses! :-P |
| 21:56.05 | earthian | yes |
| 21:56.19 | earthian | its trunk |
| 21:56.23 | earthian | and afaik its debian |
| 21:56.27 | enouf | earthian: have you followed those ath5k commits to see if they seem related? |
| 21:57.23 | earthian | i am right now |
| 21:57.42 | enouf | earthian: another one - this is .27 mainline, wouldn't necessarily have yet made it into Debian .27 http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27#head-92eedfd5b93a0926adc78b9639f8e6d91fa33c5c |
| 21:58.14 | LenoX_ | what mode should I have for my wlan1? |
| 21:58.48 | enouf | earthian: do you have an AR5008 or AR9001 card? |
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| 21:59.02 | enouf | LenoX_: usually managed? |
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| 21:59.42 | LenoX_ | enouf, okay, explain though, I assign an AP for wlan1, but it still says not associated when I iwconfig |
| 21:59.50 | earthian | enouf, its in aspire one its Atheros AR2425 |
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| 22:00.26 | pstickne | arg! |
| 22:00.28 | enouf | earthian: oh, ok |
| 22:00.29 | earthian | LenoX_, does your AP have a key/password? |
| 22:00.36 | pstickne | I hope 2.6.28 has an unstable package soon. |
| 22:00.40 | enouf | LenoX_: i don't know diddley about wifi |
| 22:00.47 | LenoX_ | earthian, It has WPA |
| 22:01.02 | pstickne | (I built an ext4 partition, but only have a 2.6.26 kernel w/o ext4 support :-) |
| 22:01.21 | nailu24 | earthian: You just need the latest Kernel, I had the same problem too |
| 22:01.22 | LenoX_ | so, I have to start wpa_supplicant first |
| 22:01.29 | pstickne | (thankfully symbolic links and a backup saved me!) |
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| 22:01.35 | earthian | LenoX_, then you need iwconfig wlan1 essid yourAPname key s:wpapassword or so |
| 22:01.35 | enouf | earthian: you've seen this ? http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k |
| 22:01.47 | earthian | looking now |
| 22:02.01 | earthian | nailu24, i was thinking i had the latest one.. :x |
| 22:02.16 | amphi | earthian: you might be fuxored, if you're unlucky - there was no way at all I could associate my intel nic with the isp-supplied router at a friend's house |
| 22:02.26 | pstickne | I just use /etc/network/interfaces -- it works quite well, can run wpa_supplicant and all the rest |
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| 22:02.44 | enouf | earthian: i don't see your Chip there being supported :-/ |
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| 22:03.30 | \amethyst | sed $'s/$/\r/' < script > script.dos |
| 22:03.31 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:03.53 | enouf | pstickne: there's someone who was here earlier, using .28 , ext4, etc |
| 22:04.25 | enouf | !comfort \amethyst |
| 22:04.26 | dpkg | There, there, \amethyst. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:04.44 | earthian | enouf, me neither... |
| 22:05.40 | pstickne | enouf: some punk whipping out a custom compile I bet :) |
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| 22:05.52 | pstickne | enouf: pita is to get nvidia+iwl following suit. |
| 22:06.01 | LenoX_ | earthian, are you sure I dont need wpa supplicant |
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| 22:06.03 | enouf | earthian: er ... ruh roh |
| 22:06.05 | simonrvn | pstickne: how is it, ext4? |
| 22:06.05 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | pstickne | (or just 'time consuming', I guess there is ma) |
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| 22:06.32 | enouf | } else if (srev == AR5K_SREV_VER_AR2425) { 277 ATH5K_WARN(sc, "Support for RF2425 is under development.\n"); |
| 22:06.45 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 22:06.46 | enouf | haha .. that's from .27 mainline |
| 22:07.31 | simonrvn | is there and srev > ? |
| 22:07.35 | simonrvn | an |
| 22:07.44 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 22:08.41 | earthian | heh |
| 22:09.09 | earthian | think i need a .28 kernel |
| 22:09.11 | earthian | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12068 |
| 22:09.13 | earthian | :/ |
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| 22:09.49 | earthian | pokes the linux-image-blablabla maintainer to package .28 asap :p |
| 22:10.05 | earthian | as i am not that good in making my own kernels... :/ |
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| 22:10.11 | SQlvpapir | not gonna happen |
| 22:10.16 | enouf | earthian: .28 looks a tad bit better, but not much - http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.28/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/attach.c#L258 |
| 22:10.21 | amphi | earthian: compat-wireless perhaps? |
| 22:10.28 | enouf | that's one of 4 relevant files |
| 22:10.55 | enouf | earthian: and that's mainline i'm posting |
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| 22:11.57 | enouf | now, i don't know how important this "ath5k_hw_post - Power On Self Test helper function" is needed for proper functionality :-) |
| 22:12.22 | enouf | smacks earthian with some ndiscrapper stuff |
| 22:12.25 | enouf | :-P |
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| 22:12.57 | earthian | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12189 |
| 22:13.01 | earthian | :'( |
| 22:13.15 | enouf | mo'bugs |
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| 22:13.39 | enouf | atleast we got to the meat-of-the-matter |
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| 22:13.51 | earthian | runs to the nearest shop to get some pesticides...for the bugs! |
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| 22:14.14 | enouf | earthian: start preparing for building - learn all about make-kpkg, kernel-package and such |
| 22:14.19 | simonrvn | tripes earthian and hands him a spritzer of tobacco juice instead |
| 22:14.31 | simonrvn | trips* |
| 22:14.41 | enouf | haha .. hey! he could've had a v8! :-p |
| 22:14.43 | earthian | i tried using ndiswrapper but it did not work at all.. i.e. it did not create the interfaces |
| 22:14.48 | earthian | :p |
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| 22:15.12 | hatter | i keep getting d/c from freenode, is anyone else suffering this ? |
| 22:15.12 | hatter | should i be adding new kernels to the d/i ? |
| 22:15.57 | pickcoder | earthian: the only time I've seen that happen is when the wrong driver was installed |
| 22:16.11 | pstickne | hatter: d/o? |
| 22:16.13 | pstickne | d/i? |
| 22:16.24 | enouf | earthian: In 2.6.27.8 vanilla kernel my wireless card is recognized by lspci like this: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) and works well with ath5k kernel driver. |
| 22:16.32 | pstickne | hatter: I think it's just you failing :-) check internet connection quality/reliability. |
| 22:16.34 | jelly-home | d/c? |
| 22:16.37 | enouf | _works_well_ .. don't ask me |
| 22:16.57 | earthian | hm.. maybe its the card ¬¬ |
| 22:17.05 | earthian | I still have the warranty |
| 22:18.45 | DeFender1031 | how do i change qmake from pointing to qt3 to qt4? |
| 22:18.59 | \amethyst | DeFender1031: use qmake-qt4 |
| 22:19.24 | DeFender1031 | that was not my question. i want that when i type "qmake" it executes qt4 |
| 22:19.39 | \amethyst | DeFender1031: update-alternatives --configure qmake |
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| 22:19.54 | \amethyst | DeFender1031: (as root) |
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| 22:20.47 | DeFender1031 | thank you |
| 22:21.38 | djcip | so... how would i go about uninstalling perl and then compiling from source and installing perl... basically i need GDBM_File installed in perl... because running install GDBM_File results in perl wanting me to install perl 5.8.9 - HELP! |
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| 22:22.26 | Shadow_Master | hi, I installed the radeonhd from a git snapshot from upstream, however it got installed to /usr/local and X.org seems to not find it |
| 22:23.09 | Shadow_Master | what should I do (that isn't equal to changing the install prefix) |
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| 22:23.22 | pstickne | Shadow_Master: maybe there is just some xorg setting? |
| 22:23.23 | nailu24 | /join #debian.de |
| 22:23.27 | pickcoder | djcip: that's a tricky deal since so much stuff depends on it |
| 22:23.33 | pstickne | Shadow_Master: or just symlink it in? |
| 22:23.37 | jelly-home | djcip: which debian release are you using? |
| 22:23.49 | pickcoder | I've done it before by installing from /usr/local/ with the perl package installed |
| 22:24.18 | pickcoder | of course updates can't be installed and at some point your perl install will break badly |
| 22:24.25 | Shadow_Master | ah, I symlinked it |
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| 22:24.35 | jelly-home | doesn't think any debian release at this point has a perl 5.8.9 |
| 22:24.41 | pickcoder | so make sure you get the version you want and don't change anything after |
| 22:25.06 | pickcoder | even usng CPAN has broken stuff before |
| 22:25.07 | marius_ | hy |
| 22:25.24 | jelly-home | djcip: how did you run "install GDBM_File", in cpan shell? |
| 22:26.04 | djcip | jelly-home - i did "sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'shell'" and then "install GDBM_File" |
| 22:26.29 | jelly-home | djcip: which debian release are you using? dpkg -l perl libc6 |tail -2 |
| 22:26.37 | djcip | jelly-home i'm actually using LinuxMint... |
| 22:26.46 | jelly-home | djcip: that's not debian. |
| 22:26.59 | djcip | at the core it is though.. i thought |
| 22:27.08 | jelly-home | sorry |
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| 22:27.20 | enouf | earthian: in the 1st bugzilla you pasted, i don't see any reference to ar2425, do you? |
| 22:27.28 | jelly-home | !linuxmint |
| 22:27.28 | dpkg | linux mint is, like, a distribution based on Ubuntu. It is not Debian and we're unable to assist. Go /join #linuxmint @ irc.spotchat.org. See <Based on Debian>. http://www.linuxmint.com, or http://linuxmint.com/forum |
| 22:27.29 | pickcoder | djcip: the depends can be totally different so it's anyone's guess here what a perl source install will do |
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| 22:27.57 | enouf | earthian: try to grab the .27.8 vanilla sources and compile babay! |
| 22:28.26 | djcip | ok.. |
| 22:28.27 | djcip | so |
| 22:28.41 | djcip | can we not be jerks and just entertain the idea that you might be able to help? |
| 22:28.45 | jelly-home | djcip: so ask your distro people. |
| 22:28.58 | jelly-home | debian stable's perl package already has that module |
| 22:29.00 | enouf | hrm, if i compile a kernel for someone, where can i upload it to? not rapidshare crap .. hrm .. |
| 22:29.07 | djcip | okk.. |
| 22:29.15 | enouf | earthian: on i386? or amd64 arch? |
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| 22:29.38 | pickcoder | enouf: paste it on a pastebin.. :) |
| 22:30.05 | enouf | hahaha |
| 22:30.32 | enouf | pickcoder: i'll 1st convert it to EBDIC format O_o |
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| 22:30.37 | jelly-home | enouf: jumbomail crap? |
| 22:30.54 | pickcoder | enouf: base64 encode it and paste it |
| 22:30.56 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:31.02 | enouf | jelly-home: hrm .. as an attachment? |
| 22:31.09 | enouf | jelly-home: that's a service? |
| 22:31.10 | pickcoder | actually uuencode would be better if you want to inflate it more |
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| 22:31.56 | enouf | er, i left a C out, it's EBCDIC |
| 22:32.49 | enouf | earthian: want a kernel?! .. i gotta go - send me PM, and/or here, i'll be back later ... |
| 22:32.57 | jelly-home | enouf: I meant, there's a zillion large-attachment-sending web based services |
| 22:33.08 | enouf | jelly-home: ok - never used any really |
| 22:33.28 | pickcoder | tempfiles.net |
| 22:33.34 | pickcoder | heh... |
| 22:33.39 | pickcoder | look at the google description |
| 22:33.42 | pickcoder | then check out the site |
| 22:34.00 | jelly-home | enouf: http://www.sendspace.com/ http://wikisend.com/ etc etc |
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| 22:34.38 | enouf | thank you people |
| 22:34.38 | pickcoder | O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) |
| 22:34.47 | pickcoder | I guess they don't have unlimited temp space |
| 22:35.16 | jelly-home | ?too many temp files error |
| 22:35.45 | pickcoder | ponders food |
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| 22:36.13 | flexmotioncnc | there are peole |
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| 22:36.41 | flexmotioncnc | i have the problem with debian lenny |
| 22:37.16 | flexmotioncnc | help me |
| 22:37.32 | pickcoder | flexmotioncnc: ask a question and you may get an answer |
| 22:37.40 | flexmotioncnc | ok thenks |
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| 22:37.48 | flexmotioncnc | My problem is |
| 22:37.53 | pstickne | who's lenny? |
| 22:38.01 | jelly-home | also, there's an italian channel as well |
| 22:38.02 | jelly-home | !it |
| 22:38.03 | dpkg | Ciao, Prego utilizzi #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in Italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:38.18 | linux_stu | i installed slim, uninstalled it and deleted /etc/slim.conf, then reinstalled it, and /etc/slim.conf is still gone. what can i do to resolve this? |
| 22:38.19 | flexmotioncnc | ok thanks |
| 22:38.35 | simonrvn | linux_stu: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 22:38.57 | pickcoder | simonrvn: do you have that on right-click? |
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| 22:39.37 | linux_stu | wow that's nifty. thanks simbioz |
| 22:39.40 | pickcoder | linux_stu: in the future, use the "purge" option for aptitude/apt to remove conf files. don't just delete one or two |
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| 22:39.56 | linux_stu | *** simonrvn ^ |
| 22:40.02 | linux_stu | ok thanks pickcoder |
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| 22:41.53 | chfwiggum | hi all! best dvd rip program? tia. |
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| 22:42.39 | Eulex | is that a question? |
| 22:42.53 | chfwiggum | Eulex: :) a short one |
| 22:42.56 | linux_stu | also, last time i installed slim, an ncurses message appeared saying i now have two login managers, and it asked me to choose the one to use. how can i make this appear again? |
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| 22:43.25 | Eulex | chfwiggum, try apt-cache search dvd rip |
| 22:43.37 | zxcvbs | hi, tellme wich is the best tetris ever?, im downloading ltris, opinions? |
| 22:43.46 | Eulex | tetrinet |
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| 22:43.53 | jelly-home | zxcvbs: the original. |
| 22:43.58 | simonrvn | pickcoder: right click? in irssi? that'd be quite a feat ;). |
| 22:44.12 | zxcvbs | original under wine? |
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| 22:44.21 | jelly-home | zxcvbs: dosbox |
| 22:44.56 | zxcvbs | ok. will get it on the-underdogs.info |
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| 22:45.07 | simonrvn | linux_stu: dpkg-reconfigure gdm or slim or whatever |
| 22:45.33 | linux_stu | perfect. thanks simonrvn |
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| 22:46.05 | jelly-home | has a feeling zxcvbs might be disappointed |
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| 22:46.36 | shze | my external projector doesn't work, it just display 'not supported'; I'm using testing w/ x 7.4/server 1.5 on i855 |
| 22:46.43 | shze | any idea what I can do? |
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| 22:47.38 | \amethyst | shze: does pressing ctrl-alt-<keypad +> or ctrl-alt-<keypad -> to change the resolution help? |
| 22:48.15 | \amethyst | (they have to be the keypad + and - keys, not the ones next to backspace) |
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| 22:48.22 | shze | \amethyst: where should it change the resolution? on my built-in laptop screen? |
| 22:48.45 | \amethyst | shze: probably on both that and the projector |
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| 22:49.14 | \amethyst | shze: many but not all ways of using multiple screens in Linux require that both use the same resolution |
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| 22:49.48 | shze | \amethyst: I'm trying to use xrandr, which should be able to use different res |
| 22:50.37 | shze | but this still leaves the question on how to activate keypad +/- on my laptop.. |
| 22:51.47 | jelly-home | shze: numlock key should help with that |
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| 22:53.57 | shze | jelly-home: can't switch numlock on, I tried NumLk, {Fn, Ctrl, Alt, Ctrl+Alt, Fn+Ctrl, Fn+Alt, Fn+Ctrl+Alt}+NumLk, but nothing helps.. |
| 22:54.06 | abrotman | checked the bios? |
| 22:54.43 | shze | abrotman: do you mean me? how and why should I check the bios? |
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| 22:55.34 | abrotman | are you sure the system is feeding the beamer a signal at all ? |
| 22:56.42 | shze | abrotman: yes, switching the beamer on w/o activating the port on my laptop gives me 'no signal', typing 'xrandr --output VGA --auto' on my terminal changes beamer output into 'not supported' |
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| 22:58.00 | shze | as far as I can see xrandr also detects that the beamer it connected: 'xrandr' gives me: VGA connected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
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| 22:58.46 | shze | and three possible modes: '1024x768 60.0', '800x600 60.3', and '640x480 59.9' |
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| 23:11.47 | stoned | hello |
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| 23:13.54 | stoned | is it possible to start Xserver on 1 monitor and another Xserver on same machine but 2nd monitor but the 2nd Xserver is remote but you can drag mouse across the 2nd monitor and share clipboard? |
| 23:14.08 | stoned | +with the first monitor |
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| 23:15.19 | Jemt | I guess you could use one XServ that spans across two monitors and have a remote desktop session running on one of them, maximized. Wouldn't that be simpler ? |
| 23:15.32 | stoned | no |
| 23:15.53 | stoned | as my remote X session is xdmcp imported |
| 23:15.59 | abrotman | !info gobby |
| 23:16.02 | Jemt | Oh, i see |
| 23:16.41 | stoned | I just can't get the clippy parts to work :/ |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | oh good .. bot broken |
| 23:16.51 | abrotman | judd: info gobby --release sid --architecture sid |
| 23:16.51 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 23:16.52 | stoned | I got the shiznit working on monitors, just no mouse sharing |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | judd: info gobby --release sid --architecture i386 |
| 23:17.00 | judd | abrotman: (info ) -- Output brief info about a package. Usage: "info packagename [--arch i386] [--release etch]" |
| 23:17.22 | stoned | judd info gubby |
| 23:17.33 | abrotman | it's a collaborative editor |
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| 23:17.45 | enouf | [18:15:19] [dpkg] gobby: (collaborative text editor), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 520 kB, Installed size: 1492 kB |
| 23:17.47 | stoned | is that for me? |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | judd: info gobby --release sid --arch i386 |
| 23:17.48 | judd | abrotman: gobby (net): is optional; Version: 0.4.8-1; Size: 520.5k; Installed: 1492k -- collaborative text editor |
| 23:17.49 | abrotman | jebus |
| 23:17.50 | enouf | you botbreakers |
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| 23:18.45 | toolz | hey my /dev/sda1 partition seems full, what should I check for to free some space? here are all my partitions: http://pastebin.com/m8a74d65 |
| 23:19.02 | enouf | apt-get clean, localepurge, delete old logs |
| 23:19.23 | stoned | what is on sda1? |
| 23:19.26 | enouf | cp /usr/share/doc elsewhere and make a symlink to it |
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| 23:19.38 | enouf | then delete the orig - actually use rsync |
| 23:20.04 | enouf | rm any /home/boy/warez-downloads |
| 23:20.34 | enouf | toolz: does df say it's full? "seems"? |
| 23:20.46 | jelly-home | enouf: he pasted his df. |
| 23:20.56 | toolz | enouf, look at my df |
| 23:21.01 | toolz | seems full, what should I check for to free some space? here are all my partitions: h |
| 23:21.02 | stoned | oh he pasted that? |
| 23:21.08 | stoned | i didn't even click i though his partitions |
| 23:21.40 | jelly-home | !be a reading barbie |
| 23:21.40 | toolz | err, sorry |
| 23:21.40 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/m8a74d65 |
| 23:21.40 | enouf | ofcourse not |
| 23:21.40 | enouf | why would i |
| 23:21.40 | abrotman | toolz: how many kernels do you have .. dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 23:21.40 | enouf | who cares about your partitions |
| 23:21.40 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly-home |
| 23:21.40 | toolz | abrotman, many |
| 23:21.44 | toolz | I mean 3 |
| 23:21.47 | abrotman | uninstall the unused ones |
| 23:21.49 | jelly-home | toolz: get rid of some. |
| 23:21.50 | toolz | ok |
| 23:21.54 | enouf | !be a clicking barbie |
| 23:21.54 | dpkg | Aww, clicking is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 23:22.19 | toolz | here http://pastebin.com/m1678e9a0 |
| 23:22.26 | toolz | its romanian debian though |
| 23:22.35 | jelly-home | somewhere, there's an installer image making really small / partitions |
| 23:22.37 | RichiH | !be a barbie barbie |
| 23:22.38 | dpkg | Aww, barbie is HARD! Let's go shopping, richih |
| 23:22.42 | abrotman | toolz: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 23:22.50 | RichiH | snickers |
| 23:22.51 | enouf | stoned: do you know how long it took me to learn that "download" at pastebin.com == plain text? lmao |
| 23:23.19 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/m5c026a6d I only want to use bigmem |
| 23:23.30 | toolz | because I have 6GB of ram |
| 23:23.33 | jelly-home | RichiH: then there's !be a my $reproductive_organ barbie |
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| 23:23.41 | stoned | enouf, no |
| 23:23.56 | enouf | stoned: 3 and a half years |
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| 23:24.08 | stoned | uhm |
| 23:24.10 | stoned | what? |
| 23:24.11 | abrotman | enouf: who said you were a slow learner ... |
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| 23:24.44 | stoned | crack has enfeebled his mind |
| 23:24.47 | enouf | stoned: see what happens when you let a "dev" develop shit, without input from sane people? |
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| 23:24.55 | enouf | let this be a lesson to you stoned :-) |
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| 23:25.04 | stoned | hey I always develop good shit |
| 23:25.18 | stoned | but you're right, user input is the shiznit |
| 23:25.54 | stoned | falconseye in etch, deprecated now upstream |
| 23:25.58 | enouf | stoned: i can't think of any other place in the world where "download" == view as plain text, can you? |
| 23:26.17 | stoned | new fork is vultures eye and vultures claw(slashem) of which I have built packages |
| 23:26.28 | stoned | just running over some policy compliance |
| 23:26.34 | stoned | enouf, you play any video games? |
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| 23:26.39 | stoned | like roguelike games? |
| 23:26.46 | enouf | no, my joy stick is always occupado :-P |
| 23:26.48 | AussieHatter | I just did a fresh install with the d/i using raid1 as i usually do, and the installer said this 'the kernel was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/md0 (invalid argument). this means linux won't know anything about the modifactions you made until reboot. you should reboot your computer before doing anything with /dev/md0' what does this mean ? |
| 23:27.05 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/m16175386 after I removed the amd64 kernel, is it ok? |
| 23:27.09 | stoned | enouf, heh |
| 23:27.23 | abrotman | toolz: what does `uname -a` say ? |
| 23:27.28 | stoned | as long asyou don't remove the running kernel you should be ok |
| 23:27.42 | RichiH | jelly: heh |
| 23:27.43 | stoned | then again debian will not let you remove a running kernel without asking to type in "yes this is what I want" something |
| 23:28.00 | enouf | AussieHatter: which exact ISO are you using? |
| 23:28.11 | jelly-home | toolz: that's just a warning; you could rm those dangling symlinks and rerun update-grub if you wished |
| 23:28.21 | toolz | abrotman Linux moon.hostingbit.com 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 17:49:59 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux, I know I am running under bigmem now, and I had the others installed aswell |
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| 23:28.28 | AussieHatter | enouf, yesterday it did it with the etch installer, today with the latest lenny |
| 23:28.47 | toolz | I removed amd kernel and seems fine now its 71% full |
| 23:28.48 | AussieHatter | the etch installer is about 6 months old |
| 23:28.51 | enouf | AussieHatter: it likely means that parted/partman want to reboot to write to the disks ... but erm .. |
| 23:28.56 | stoned | so you're running bigmem instead of amd64 you can remove amd64 but in case you need a 64bit kernel, you'll have to install it over again |
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| 23:29.01 | jelly-home | toolz: just don't remove the current running kernel :-) |
| 23:29.13 | AussieHatter | and the etch install yesterday failed |
| 23:29.28 | stoned | AussieHatter, what? |
| 23:29.36 | stoned | nm |
| 23:29.45 | toolz | jelly-home, nope, I am using it, and I'll keep using it, thanks :) |
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| 23:29.54 | AussieHatter | it installed through right until the end, then when trying to boot, it hung saying it mdadm couldnt find the disks |
| 23:30.06 | stoned | hate raid |
| 23:30.08 | enouf | AussieHatter: can you visit #debian-boot on irc.debian.org and ask - you might have to wait a while .. just to clarify - there was a bug i'm thinikng of, but not in the latest installers anymore |
| 23:30.27 | jelly-home | AussieHatter: was that really a mdadm message, though? |
| 23:30.48 | enouf | AussieHatter: and not necessarily that anything is wrong, i just don't know offhand .. are you also using crypt and/or LVM ? |
| 23:31.11 | AussieHatter | jelly-home, yeah, i am not sure, it hang, with one line, then about 8 or 9 minutes later the mdadam message came up |
| 23:31.13 | enouf | AussieHatter: oh, is that a macintel? which ARCH? |
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| 23:32.17 | enouf | i need 3 answers AussieHatter ;-) |
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| 23:32.58 | hatter1 | omg, and i keep getting d/c from irc |
| 23:33.00 | enouf | ok .. i really gotta go - hope you get it |
| 23:33.45 | hatter1 | since my isp decided to upgrade there equipment to adsl2 at the exchange just before xmas my internet has been SHITFUL grrrr |
| 23:33.50 | Supaplex | I hope enouf makes it before an accident happens. ;) |
| 23:33.52 | hatter1 | 'their' |
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| 23:33.57 | stoned | people, whats your favorite gtk2 style? |
| 23:34.13 | lostson | Human-Cool |
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| 23:34.24 | stoned | which pacakge is it in? |
| 23:34.28 | stoned | (don't make me search) |
| 23:34.38 | stoned | is lazy tonight I cleaned up all my house today |
| 23:34.38 | Supaplex | make apt-cache do it |
| 23:34.59 | amphi | stoned: MurrinaElf ATM - a lightish theme, with little or no 0xffffff |
| 23:35.10 | stoned | well i ask cuz not everything is avilable for ^gtk2-engines* |
| 23:35.15 | lostson | stoned: its not in the repo just the engine is |
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| 23:35.22 | stoned | i have all the packages installed but i just cccan't seem to find a decen tone |
| 23:35.31 | stoned | lostson, i thought as much |
| 23:35.34 | stoned | i didn't see it |
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| 23:35.42 | lostson | ubuntulooks is the engine you need |
| 23:35.50 | stoned | oh boy |
| 23:35.56 | lostson | human-cool is available on gnome-look |
| 23:36.02 | lyckegard^ | dpkg: error processing skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386.deb (--install): package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) |
| 23:36.02 | dpkg | lyckegard^: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:36.04 | stoned | i gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks - 'ubuntulooks' theme for GTK+ 2.x |
| 23:36.11 | stoned | oh I'll be damned, I have it isntalled lets check it out |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | lyckegard^: do you really need help with that? |
| 23:36.41 | lyckegard^ | abrotman: yes, i want to install skype and gets an error |
| 23:36.51 | abrotman | lyckegard^: you're not using the correct package |
| 23:36.53 | stoned | ok if you don't use gnome and go to gnome-look.org and download a gtk2 style/theme, how do you install it? |
| 23:36.58 | Supaplex | lyckegard^: try a _amd64 package |
| 23:37.02 | stoned | (they have instructions for gnome-theme-manger |
| 23:37.16 | antani | Hello. I understand that a unix system, even my laptop, need an MTA, at least for local delivery. But do I really need to have the daemon running? |
| 23:37.20 | stoned | say I use kde, and download a gtk2 engine tar.bz2 from the gnome-look |
| 23:37.26 | stoned | where do I unpack it? |
| 23:37.27 | lyckegard^ | but there is no amd64-package on the homepage... and i think my computer should be able to run both packages as it is not a open source software |
| 23:37.38 | jelly-home | antani: some of the MTAs run nly whne needed |
| 23:37.42 | stoned | or do I have to install gnome theme manger? |
| 23:37.53 | antani | jelly-home: what's an example? |
| 23:38.01 | lyckegard^ | so my question is, how do i install a i386 package on my amd64 system |
| 23:38.08 | jelly-home | antani: exim, when run from inetd |
| 23:38.18 | stoned | amphi, pin. what was that one quote about a moron? |
| 23:38.22 | Supaplex | how do I install ford parts in my kia? |
| 23:38.52 | stoned | sarcastic prick |
| 23:38.57 | antani | jelly-home: anyway, you're telling me that having an mta listening on localhost:25 is useful, right? |
| 23:39.18 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 23:39.18 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of mysql). The mta does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
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| 23:39.22 | lostson | stoned: /home/.themes |
| 23:39.23 | JordiGH | Aw, crap... |
| 23:39.26 | stoned | you install gtk2-engine* package in debian, and use switch2 or kde kcontrol option or gnome theme center or xfce4-mcs-manager to isntall em |
| 23:39.31 | stoned | but ... |
| 23:39.33 | jelly-home | antani: it is, for applications that want to use that to send mail. |
| 23:39.33 | stoned | oh lostson thanks |
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| 23:39.44 | JordiGH | I just spent two hours installing the desktop task from tasksel using aptitude... |
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| 23:39.46 | stoned | lostson, i had no idea there was a ~/.themes |
| 23:39.47 | stoned | heh |
| 23:39.55 | JordiGH | And I just noticed it installed twm instead of gnome. |
| 23:39.56 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 23:40.00 | lostson | stoned: then create a /home/.gtkrc-2.0 file with all the options you wish to use |
| 23:40.01 | JordiGH | Two more hours to download gnome. |
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| 23:40.27 | antani | abrotman: nullmailer would be perfect, if it delivered local mail! |
| 23:40.28 | Supaplex | lyckegard^: you might be able to install the x86 compatibility libs, but I still think that doesn't allow mixed $ARCH installs. (eg, i386 and amd64 at the same time) |
| 23:40.32 | stoned | lostson, I just wanted to know where to unpack the theme so it shows up in the gtk2 gheme configuration utils |
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| 23:40.46 | lostson | stoned: ok |
| 23:40.51 | stoned | lostson, so if unpacked a gtk2 theme engine in ~/.themes it will show up in any gtk2 theme configurator? |
| 23:41.00 | lostson | should yes |
| 23:41.02 | stoned | say for example switch2? |
| 23:41.04 | stoned | awesome |
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| 23:41.18 | stoned | Supaplex, how does one install my foot up your ass ;) |
| 23:41.20 | lostson | if it doesnt cp -R theme to /use/share/themes |
| 23:41.35 | stoned | lostson, i'll check it out, I'm hunting forums right now |
| 23:41.39 | abrotman | antani: exim can be configured to do that |
| 23:41.42 | stoned | lostson, you've been a great help, thank you |
| 23:41.45 | jelly-home | antani: what machine do you have that a running exim is noticeable? |
| 23:41.46 | Supaplex | stoned: let's try it. Got a chainsaw? |
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| 23:41.54 | lostson | stoned: this is my gtkrc-2.0 file http://debian.pastebin.com/m2bf84421 |
| 23:41.58 | stoned | lostson, click |
| 23:42.07 | stoned | Supaplex, go. away. fat man. |
| 23:42.18 | antani | jelly-home: well, no recent machine. that's just for security and sweet minimalism |
| 23:42.30 | Supaplex | stoned: humm EGIVADAM :) |
| 23:42.34 | abrotman | be nice |
| 23:42.42 | antani | and, of course, for understanding how stuff works |
| 23:42.48 | stoned | $>cat /home/stoned/.gtk |
| 23:42.48 | stoned | .gtk-bookmarks .gtk_qt_engine_rc .gtkrc-2.0-kde |
| 23:42.59 | stoned | hey I only have these 3 gtk files in my home |
| 23:43.07 | stoned | I should edit th ekde one/ |
| 23:43.22 | lostson | if you have the gtk-qt-engine installed you will be able to change gtk themes from that in kcontrol |
| 23:43.25 | antani | abrotman: what I *still* don't understand is: do exim HAVE to listen on localhost:25, or not? |
| 23:43.31 | stoned | lostson, yeh, thats what I normally do |
| 23:43.55 | antani | I mean, in order to have local mail correctly delivered |
| 23:44.00 | holycow | guys, i'm able to create a usb memory stick from the netboot iso image, but the netboot installer looks for all files on the cdrom instead of the local mount point |
| 23:44.05 | holycow | does anyone know how to rectify this? |
| 23:44.10 | stoned | lostson, actually I think I just found my favorite theme! |
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| 23:44.31 | lostson | stoned: thats great what did you settle on ? |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | antani: listening on localhost:25 is not a bad hting .. and yes |
| 23:44.37 | stoned | lostson, i installed gtk2-engines-xfce and use xfce-kolors (very small minimal/offwhite bright theme) |
| 23:44.48 | stoned | :)_ |
| 23:44.55 | lostson | stoned: true xfce themes have always been great |
| 23:45.24 | antani | abrotman: ok, thank you. anyway, I think I'll prefer postfix |
| 23:45.28 | stoned | yeh i was looking through cache for *gtk2-engines* |
| 23:45.34 | abrotman | antani: okay .. |
| 23:45.36 | stoned | I came across this pcakge and it has like 20+ themes in it |
| 23:45.42 | stoned | its amazing |
| 23:45.44 | mechcozmo | hello... having networking issues with a recent netinstall; it won't get an IP no matter how it's connected |
| 23:45.45 | lostson | yeah xfce has some great one |
| 23:46.03 | mechcozmo | tried wifi, ethernet, etc. |
| 23:46.19 | mechcozmo | on an older Sony PCG-Z505LS |
| 23:46.39 | stoned | your interface get configured? |
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| 23:47.14 | mechcozmo | stoned: it recognizes the onboard ethernet or PCMCIA wireless, but fails to join networks |
| 23:47.17 | hatter1 | which kernel does lenny use ? |
| 23:47.18 | lyckegard^ | Supaplex: btw, your name is a nice game... and thx for your help... btw, i really wonder why i have a 64-bit os.. |
| 23:47.21 | stoned | what is the output of dhcp configured ifup? does it find a dhcp server? have you tried static? |
| 23:47.28 | stoned | oh wireless |
| 23:47.35 | mechcozmo | stoned: ethernet too |
| 23:47.37 | stoned | I thought you mean nothing worked, wifi or eht |
| 23:47.42 | hatter1 | lyckegard^, because u have a 64bit cpu ? |
| 23:47.44 | stoned | lets do eth for now |
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| 23:48.00 | mechcozmo | lemme swap the cables... had a test setup |
| 23:48.04 | lostson | 2.6.26-1 hatter1 |
| 23:48.12 | hatter1 | lostson, thx |
| 23:48.13 | stoned | actually im in need to leave asap |
| 23:48.18 | hatter1 | and etch nhalf ? |
| 23:48.19 | lostson | hatter: yw |
| 23:48.23 | stoned | half hour, wait or ask someone else |
| 23:48.31 | stoned | *out* |
| 23:48.38 | mechcozmo | stoned: alright, thanks |
| 23:48.44 | themill | dpkg: tell hatter1 about etchnhalf |
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| 23:49.06 | hatter1 | themill, thx |
| 23:50.58 | lyckegard^ | hatter1: but.... except that? |
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| 23:51.17 | hatter1 | lyckegard^, because you want to address lots of RAM |
| 23:51.38 | lyckegard^ | more than my 2 gigabyte? |
| 23:51.58 | hatter1 | lyckegard^, 32 bit can address a little more than 3Gb |
| 23:52.28 | antani | Yet another silly question! Is there a way to tell apt-get to configure new packages with -plow (i.e. "ask me all the questions, please!")? |
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| 23:55.16 | abrotman | antani: dpkg-reconfigure debconf .. i believe |
| 23:56.03 | antani | done |
| 23:56.04 | antani | thank you again |
| 23:56.57 | holycow | what is the debian install/boot process teams channel? |
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| 23:57.18 | streuner | #debian-boot at OFTC |
| 23:57.24 | holycow | oh oftc |
| 23:57.25 | holycow | danke |
| 23:57.33 | streuner | bitte :-) |
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