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00:01.17PeskyJthemill: well I never changed the sources.list, except for uncommenting 'testing' lines that were present when I wanted to install such packages... so the main/stable etc. must have been how it came - should I change it so I just have one deb and one deb-src and both say "etch" instead of stable/main etc.?
00:01.50themillPeskyJ: yes. (the installer would have left "etch" lines not "stable" lines though)
00:02.23metrixI am having trouble with bash on my testing partition..  when I hit tab for autocompletion, it appears that bash tries to search through dev devices for some reason..
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00:02.56metrixBash will give me errors when I hit tab like "-bash: /dev/fd/58: No such file or directory" what could be causing this?
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00:03.38PeskyJthemill: that's very odd then, I must have changed it when I first installed rtorrent to get the testing line, then commented it out after
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00:05.49dpkg'metrix' is 0.000% lame, adb
00:05.50PeskyJthemill: ahh.. I think I know why.. this was possibly a sarge install originally and dist-upgraded to etch - would that explain it?
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00:06.05themillPeskyJ: yeah, that sounds quite plausible.
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00:09.23PeskyJthemill: so I replace stable with etch.. the "main" at the end still stays there?
00:09.40themillPeskyJ: yes. "man 5 sources.list" for more details
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00:15.12PeskyJthemill: how does apt know to get the sources from the sid instead of etch - does it just look for the latest version in any of the specified sources?
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00:15.32themillPeskyJ: yep, latest version is the one it uses
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00:16.46PeskyJthemill: clever - ok, I'm getting an error now, rtorrent depends on libtorrent-dev, but no available versions of libtorrent-deb can satisfy the version requirements (presumably of the rtorrent package it's finding in sid)
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00:17.55PeskyJthemill: I enjoy learning how to do this stuff properly... it would be so much quicker to get the latest source from the developer page and 'make' it but this is fun too :)
00:18.30PeskyJthemill: I've always been a bit scared of apt because I'm never sure if I'm going to break it horribly
00:18.58jpinxI've lost sound. I've run alsoconfig and I can play a wav file as root, but not as me. I get this error forst - ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0' -can anyone point me to the next step to sort it out please?
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00:19.39runahi how can i start my laptop at a certain time?
00:19.48themillPeskyJ: the build-deps for rtorrent require a newer version of libtorrent-dev (check them out at http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/rtorrent). You'll have to backport that one too
00:20.12PeskyJthemill: ahh, so I just need to do that first...
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00:21.02themillPeskyJ: this is when backporting becomes difficult, btw.
00:21.54PeskyJthemill: actually... would it be easy to set up a local source and put the latest version (0.8.4 vs 0.7.9 in sid) there, then still use apt to build it - or would that require some kind of complex setting up of the source in a particular format?
00:22.33PeskyJthemill: I guess that's what the packer person does huh? setting all the right dependencies, etc.?
00:23.01themillPeskyJ: you could backport from the experimental source rather than the sid sources. But experimental tends to be a bit of a minefield at time.
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00:23.32themillPeskyJ: yes, getting the deps right, bashing the packages into shape and getting them to work together correctly is what the Debian Developers do.
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00:23.42Haris_Hello people
00:23.53Haris_I need to understand how debian keeps configuration files
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00:24.30ma3xstreuner: testing
00:24.32ma3xwhy?
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00:24.34Haris_I'm lost when I don't see normal config keywords undefined in the spread-config-in-multiple-files scenario
00:24.59Haris_minus the don't word
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00:25.13Haris_right now, I'm configuring amavis
00:25.25Haris_inet_socket_port, local_domains_maps
00:25.48dffHi, im sitting on a new install of debian and i cant get an irc client on. tried with diffrent servers/clients. turned the firewall off/on - everything works outbound but irc (6667-7000)
00:26.27Haris_another problem I have with amavis is, I set @inet_acl = qw( 127.0.0.1 ::1 public-IP ) in /etc/amavis/conf.d/20-debian_defaults
00:26.43Haris_It is denying connections from this public-IP
00:26.51PeskyJthemill: ok.. I'm building libtorrent-dev now - I figure it's just doing the same thing recursively for each package
00:26.57Haris_which is annoying me, since I'v configured it right according to amavis's docs
00:27.09Haris_wth is debian doing to configs of apps?
00:27.10themillPeskyJ: yep, if necessary.
00:27.23Haris_this is lenny/sid
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00:28.39plovsanybody know how i can find the label of a cdrom to use in wine
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00:29.08Haris_2) How can I configure debian to keep configs in one file, rather than spread in multiple files
00:29.34PeskyJthemill: doesn't seem too tricky - once this is done, I will have should I put the resulting .debs somewhere to publish them to backports for other people?
00:29.36Haris_I need pointers to articles/docs/anything that'll giv eme a clue
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00:30.18themillPeskyJ: you could do that, although since people don't know you and your .debs will be unsigned, people are unlikely to trust them.
00:31.06PeskyJthemill: yeah.. no point really
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00:31.34themillPeskyJ: sticking a "howto backport rtorrent" web page up might be handy though :)
00:31.36enoufplovs: i think you mean somekind of DOS drive letter? like /home/username/C: ?
00:31.36Haris_now it works
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00:31.52Haris_@#$@#$@$ it wants me to give it inet addresses in CIDR format ONLY?!?!?
00:31.52enoufplovs: see #winehq
00:31.53Haris_wth!
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00:32.05Haris_why won't just accept host addresses?
00:32.08Haris_:@
00:32.19CShadowRunHi, trying to install wine with APT, getting these errors. http://pastebin.com/m59cf7bec
00:32.44CShadowRunor rather, update. Lol
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00:33.16PeskyJthemill: now that I've built libtorrent-dev (and it seems to be the only dependency) how do I apt-get build-deps and tell it about the .deb it's just built?
00:33.19enoufHaris_: map them? (IPs to hostnames?) portmap?
00:33.32PeskyJthemill: for rtprrent I mean
00:33.51enoufgah .. nm
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00:34.00themillCShadowRun: you're not using the debian packages and you have a mix of debian packages and buggy winehq packages. If you want debian packages, then look at backports.org. If you want winehq stuff, then purge *all* the debian wine packages first (dpkg -l \*wine\* | grep ^.i)
00:34.09enoufPeskyJ: maybe /msg dpkg equivs ? or i misunderstand you
00:34.28CShadowRunthemill ah, thanks. I'll purge :)
00:34.37Haris_portmap, hmm, I usually disable this service
00:34.48enoufme too
00:35.12Haris_enouf: It doesn't accept simple IPs, but it will take FQDNs?
00:35.15themillPeskyJ: if you "dpkg -i libtorrent-dev*.deb" to install the deb you've just made, then apt-get build-dep will know that you've already got that dependency filled and do nothing.
00:35.19enoufbut i don't know what amavis is even
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00:35.34Haris_amavis is a kind of wrapper I guess
00:35.42enoufHaris_: i don;t know .. just thinking about /etc/hosts* and friends
00:35.46themilljudd: info amavis
00:35.47Haris_for using multiple apps for spam/virus filtering
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00:36.00themilljudd: info amavisd-new
00:36.01juddthemill: amavisd-new (mail): is extra; Version: 1:2.4.2-6.1; Size: 583.5k; Installed: 1460k -- Interface between MTA and virus scanner/content filters
00:36.02Haris_with MTA
00:36.11PeskyJthemill: ahh I see... is dpkg -i the back-end of apt-get install?
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00:36.24themillPeskyJ: yes
00:36.30Roland-hey, I am expecting an laptop with two video cards, can I make it work with debian ?
00:37.04enoufWell .. all i know is exim4 can be made to create one huge config file or spread over many files - dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. but i doubt that helps you?
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00:37.35runemasteis there an ispconfig help channel?
00:37.46enoufRoland-: nice, i don;'t see why not - go for testing though
00:37.52ComradeHazHi guys. I've just installed Debian (unstable) with KDE and my 'end session' menu only allowes me to 'End current session'. No Shutdown or Restart. Can anyone shed any light on this? It may be worth mentioning it's installed on a pen-drive with no swap space...
00:38.12Roland-it's an intel card for power saving and nvidia one for non power saving
00:38.21Roland-and I was wondering if I can switch them
00:38.28enoufComradeHaz: go into K Control Center and tell it you want to be able to do so
00:38.31Roland-without reboot and etc
00:38.37enoufit's under .. one sec
00:39.07enouffires up the bloated behemoth .. ;-)
00:39.17enoufoh wait  ComradeHaz .. is that kde4 ?
00:39.23ComradeHazno
00:39.28enoufnot sure what to ... ok
00:39.31ComradeHazand bloated?! :S
00:39.37ComradeHazwhat would you suggest?
00:40.07PeskyJthemill: where did apt-get -b source libtorrent-dev put the .deb ?
00:40.19themillPeskyJ: in the current directory
00:40.33runemasteanyone
00:40.34runemaste?
00:40.46Haris_enouf: It does
00:40.50enoufComradeHaz: kde components > session manager > default shutdown options
00:40.52PeskyJthemill: oh.. oops! I was in /etc - got some tidying to do now!
00:40.53runemasteor does anyone here have experience with ISPConfig that may be able to help me?
00:41.12enoufComradeHaz: if needed poke about in System Admin area - log in as root when asked
00:41.15Haris_enouf: In a sense I got to know how to re-configure an app, so it only has one large config file, rather than many files with macros' that make no sense to me
00:41.35enoufHaris_: i see .. ok cool
00:41.42Haris_dammit, power has been out for 6 hrs now
00:41.51Haris_I need it back or my UPS is going to go out :|
00:41.59themillmakes Haris_ write his sendmail.cf by hand
00:42.01enoufneeds to run out for a while - bbl
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00:43.12hikenboothello can anyone tell me when 2.6.28 is likely to hit debian testing/ debian unstable?
00:43.18enoufComradeHaz: sorry - still  "kde components > session manager " but > "General Options" (you can figure it out by looking)
00:43.24ComradeHazwell
00:43.36ComradeHaz/sbin/halt is already avauilable to all
00:43.45enouftick the "[x] Offer Shutdown options"
00:43.47themillhikenboot: certainly not until after lenny is released.
00:44.18enoufComradeHaz: just like windows .. ain't it great!
00:44.20enouf:-p
00:44.34enoufreally goes now
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00:47.27DeineMutterare there any applications with colourful terminal output for debian?
00:47.29zophy[]how do i provide a password for mounting a samba share when i use the mount command ?
00:47.51DeineMutterzophy[]: i guess -p password
00:48.02DeineMutterzophy[]: oh sry
00:48.19PeskyJthemill: hrm, seems like there's lots of other hidden dependencies to build it
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00:49.02themillPeskyJ: everything should be listed in the Build-Depends line. But they might be dependencies of dependencies, of course.
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00:50.49Farehi. I'm having trouble on this new intel64 machine with the mplayer from debian-multimedia from an installation I cloned from an amd64 machine
00:51.30SQlvpapirhow did you clone it?
00:51.35FareI suspect anything from the libc (where the segault happens) to some linking problem to some other library to multithreading to cpu-specific mess
00:51.45Farersync -xavH or something
00:52.02SQlvpapirouch
00:52.05jpinxI installed the gnokii mobile phone connection package and it broke my sound. I have it working again as root, but I need to get my user added back to the group for the sound card, and I can't find it. Anyone able to point me int eh right direction?
00:52.07Fareworks beautifully except for xine and mplayer
00:52.12PeskyJthemill: yeah, it's the dependencies of dependencies - I guess some will already have backports so I can use the apt-get -t etch-backports for those
00:52.19FareI *always* clone my installations with rsync -xavH
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00:52.34SQlvpapirdid you try to purge mplayer?
00:52.38FareI mean, -xavDH or something
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00:53.33FareSQlvpapir, I did, and reinstalled from debian-multimedia, still same failure (gdb says in libc function calls!!! -- but is gdb showing the correct thread?)
00:54.19Fare(at least, when I unset locale variables, it went further and printed CPU information before to segfault in another libc function)
00:54.27SQlvpapireasy possible fix would be to compile it yourself. its not that difficult
00:54.42themillPeskyJ: that's right
00:54.45Farethe page http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2008-11/msg00011.html suggests it might be a libc/gcc bug
00:55.21Fare(but then why would only mplayer and xine fail???)
00:56.19Farevery same error on debian's mplayer as with debian-multimedia's
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00:56.44PeskyJthemill: I'm getting the hang of it... got a bit confused by some virtual packages though
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00:58.16PeskyJthemill: just repeated using the top of the list of providing packages
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01:00.27PeskyJthemill: I should have started to draw a "stack" on a bit of paper so I knew where I was at in the recursion!!
01:00.39themilloh dear
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01:06.35PeskyJthemill: it seems to me that this backporting is fairly mechanical, doesn't need much thinking, and each task just follows on from the missing dependencies of the previous check.. couldn't it mostly be done automatically?
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01:07.54themillPeskyJ: pretty much. It also needs a fair amount of  thinking to resolve difficult dependencies and sometimes you have to change the build system (e.g. when it depends on a version of dpkg you don't have). Also, automating things tends to reduce the amount of testing that gets done...
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01:09.35PeskyJthemill: yeah, true - libcurl4-openssl-dev is just doing a bunch of tests as part of its install
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01:19.13Farexine fails in dlsym
01:19.17Faresegfault
01:19.30adama__itai_michaelson: nmap can do that
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01:19.46adama__itai_michaelson: e.g. nmap 192.168.1.*
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01:21.28StyXmanI know one's not supposed to do it, and if so, one's at his own, but I backported network-manager-0.7 from experimental and it doesn't work, I can't see it even with dbus.
01:21.51abrotmanand what?
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01:23.17itai_michaelsonadama__, thank you
01:23.18StyXmanuse dbus to see if it's even registered
01:23.52Fareare you querying the correct dbus?
01:24.23Faremaybe you should contact the NM dev team
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01:24.31StyXmanactually I'm using qdbus to see firs who are registered
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01:25.01StyXmanfirst*
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01:25.09De_Monwhat causes a 'BAD REFERRAL' from dig?
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01:27.05Fareactually, dmesg shows a lot of segfaults in libc-2.7
01:27.25abrotmanFare: which version of debian did you start with ?
01:27.27Faremakes me suspect the bug w/ GCC 4.3 and libc-2.7 affects me
01:27.34Farea mix of sid and lenny
01:27.42Faremostly lenny
01:27.44abrotmanmakes funny noises
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01:27.57Farewith a few specific packages from sid (common lisp mostly)
01:28.18Farelibc6 2.7-16
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01:28.41Farewhich is same in lenny and sid
01:28.44Fareis to blame
01:29.03PeskyJthemill: amazing, I did it! :) apt-cache policy shows the latest version installed correctly, apt knows all about it, I didn't have to sneakily replace any binaries without apt knowing or anything hacky like that ;)
01:29.19Fareshould I report a release-blocking bug on libc6 ?
01:29.25PeskyJthemill: and it works too... which is a bonus :)
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01:31.03PeskyJthemill: thanks for all your help - I couldn't have done it without
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01:32.32devincan any of you point outs whats wrong with my menu.lst
01:32.39devinhttp://pastebin.com/m609a9152
01:32.39abrotmanFare: you screwed it up .. why woudl you file a bug ?
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01:34.03Farehow did *I* screw it up?
01:34.15Faredmesg shows a lot of segfaults from libc6
01:34.29abrotmanFare: install a pure lenny system, and let us know if n-m does the same thing
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01:34.44Fareand the mailing-list suggests that there are a lot of bugs in libc6 revealed by compiling it with gcc 4.4
01:34.51Farelibc6 is from lenny
01:35.02Farelibc6 is same in lenny and sid, for gossake
01:35.08abrotmanthe network manager is not .. the gcc is not?
01:35.30Fareabrotman, I'm not touch NM, StyXman is
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01:35.39Fareabrotman, *my* problems are with libc6
01:35.41Fare(I think)
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01:36.20abrotmanFare: argh .. /me blames the turkey
01:36.33Farepoor trukey
01:36.43Fareyou killed it even BEFORE you had anything to blame it for
01:36.47Fareyou MURDERER
01:36.59Fareaccomplice in mass murder of turkey
01:37.11Farecrime against turkeykind
01:37.12abrotmanand?
01:37.28Fareagainst turkeynity
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01:37.35Haris_turkeys have rights, you know?
01:37.37Haris_:D
01:37.38Fareyou're condemned to... indigestion!
01:37.46abrotmananyways ...
01:38.00puffHm, I have been assuming that /etc/aliases comment supported end-of-line comments, e.g.  a line like "foo: bar  # alias for my subscription to catfancier-online.com
01:38.52puffBut the man page for aliases isn't clear abouthat.
01:39.18Farebrowses debian.org/Bugs to see whether it's been reported before
01:39.57Farehow do I determine what compiler libc6 was compiled with?
01:40.27abrotman/lib/libc.so.6
01:40.49Farestrings says Compiled by GNU CC version 4.3.2.
01:40.55abrotmani just told you .. but whatever
01:41.18Akuwis there any application to use my iPod Touch ?
01:41.34Farehum... might or might not be the same bug
01:41.56puffAkuw: Try amarok?
01:42.17puffAkuw: I haven't tried the ipod touch yet, but for my nano I've been happiest with amarok.
01:42.22pflanzeFare: what crash(es) are you seeing exactly? with mplayer that is (xine crashes all the time for me anyway upon exit or so)
01:42.28Akuwok
01:42.47pflanzeis on a core 2 duo
01:43.42CutMeOwnThroatsprays pflanze with herbicide - no algae on the CPU, please
01:43.45Faremplayer, xine, and various segfaults reported by dmesg, all in libc
01:43.53Faremplayer crashes in setlocale
01:44.02Farexine crashes in __c_type_b_loc
01:44.37Farekdesktop_lock also segfaults in libc
01:44.39pflanzescans kern.log's
01:45.03Fareand so does kio_thumbnail
01:45.17Fareso, I blame libc
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01:45.56Faremoreover this mialing-list message suggests a bug that's known upstream... http://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2008-11/msg00004.html
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01:46.35pflanzehm, actually kern.log does not show any xine or smplayer instance segfault since Oct 31; little strange, seems xine crashes in a way not to be recorded by the kernel(?).
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01:48.05CutMeOwnThroatwhy should segmentation faults be in kern.log?
01:48.09pflanzeFare: can you reproduce it somehow? Then I'd test whether the same happens for me.
01:48.17pflanzeCutMeOwnThroat: some kernel config option
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01:48.48CutMeOwnThroatwell, if you got that switched on...
01:49.02pflanzeI have
01:49.19pflanzeI see other processes segfault, from my development.
01:49.20Farepflanze: (1) upgrade to latest libc6, mplayer on amd64
01:49.32Farepflanze, (2) run mplayer, or xine ==> segfault
01:49.45Faregdb shows you it's in a libc function
01:49.48pflanzeI've got:  mplayer             1.0~rc2-17+lenny1,  libc6               2.7-16
01:50.13FareI've got 1.0~rc2-18
01:50.20Fareshould I downgrade?
01:50.36pflanzerun mplayer with what?
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01:50.47pflanzejust without any argument?
01:50.55Faretries downgrading
01:51.28pflanzeactually I'm now seeing that xine crashes for me with "Aborted", after an assertion failure.
01:51.35pflanzeThat's why it's not in kern.log
01:51.38Fareany argument .. it dies either in setlocale (if locales enabled) or later in __c_type_b_loc (if not enabled)
01:52.15pflanze"locales enabled"?
01:52.36Farexine crashes for me in a segfault
01:52.40pflanzehow do you mean enabling locales?
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01:54.06abrotmanFare: and if you strace it ?
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01:54.31pflanzehas got en_US.UTF-8, de_CH and de_CH.UTF-8 enabled, and is using en_US.UTF-8
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01:55.26pflanzerunning xine-ui 0.99.5+cvs20070914-2, libxine1 1.1.14-3
01:55.48pflanzenever seems to segfault as indicated by kernel log, only assertion failures all the time.
01:56.20Farepflanze, fails with the lenny mplayer just the same
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01:56.30rajhello; any quick ways to bypass 'base system intall' from netinst cd (180MB), to make it like a "business card cd" downloading from mirror instead of local cdrom mount?
01:57.35pflanzeFare: hm; I'm currently using the closed nvidia X driver; that might make a difference, although I remember having used xine with the vesa driver too.
01:58.19pflanzeregarding locales, do you have set a valid locale?
01:58.40pflanzeI mean, "locale" reports one, which is actually enabled in dpkg-reconfigure locales?
01:58.55Farepflanze, I blamed an interaction with nvidia-glx at first (no nvidia card here), but nope, doesn't look like it
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01:59.11Farepflanze, if I unset the locale variables, it dies further, in another libc6 function
01:59.22pflanzetries that
01:59.28Farewhat bugs me is why, if libc6 is so broken, so few things would crash
02:00.27pflanzewell, and why it doesn't crash for me
02:00.43pflanze64 bit x86_64 here, 2 core, same like you right?
02:00.46abrotmanFare: and if you strace it ?
02:01.05abrotmanraj: maybe expert mode
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02:01.22pflanze$ unset LANG    $ locale  => shows POSIX    $ mplayer   => shows help and exits with 0
02:01.23Akuwi just installed amarok
02:01.41Akuwbut when i connect my iPod it don't appear in /media
02:01.42Fareabrotman, strace and ltrace are both useless wrt these segfaults
02:02.01abrotmanFare: not always .. but if you're not going to try ..
02:02.57Fareabrotman, I *did* try
02:03.03abrotmanso paste it in a pastebin
02:03.05Farewhich is why I'm telling you with authority
02:03.30Fareltrace: prints *nothing* before the segfault for mplayer
02:03.54Farestrace prints a few mmap's of /dev/zero and other unrelated things (memory allocations)
02:03.56pflanzeFare: do you have a restrictive virtual memory limit?
02:04.05Farepflanze, how can I tell?
02:04.09pflanzeulimit -a
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02:04.19abrotmanokay .. then don't paste .. but why bother asking for help if you won't cooperate
02:04.38Faremostly unlimited
02:04.52pflanzeespecially  ulimit -v
02:05.01pflanzemine is at 600000
02:05.12onetinsoldierhi. would anyone help me with compiz? i'm getting the following messages when i try to start it...
02:05.15onetinsoldierChecking for Xgl: not present.
02:05.18pflanzei.e. 600MB which is big enough for +all apps today
02:05.20pflanze+-
02:05.25onetinsoldierNo whitelisted driver found
02:05.26abrotmanonetinsoldier: xgl isn't in debian
02:05.33onetinsoldieroh
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02:06.36onetinsoldierany way i can get it? can i download and compile it?
02:06.38pflanzeFare: and your machine is ok (i.e. memtest86 or so)
02:06.45abrotmanonetinsoldier: what is your video card?
02:06.59abrotman!tell onetinsoldier about compiz
02:07.11onetinsoldierati 4850 512MB
02:07.14Farelast call is to a futex, which suggests it might or might not be a threading issue
02:07.14Fareunlimited
02:07.17Faremost of my ulimit's are unlimited, except for "only" 8MB stack
02:07.24abrotmanwaits for the paste
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02:07.27Farethat I can tell -- I'll run memtest86 tonight
02:07.29Fareif it were a memory issue, it wouldn't be as reproducible, would it?
02:07.33FareI mean, random programs would fail at random places
02:07.35pflanzemy stack is at 8MB too
02:07.54abrotmanonetinsoldier: i'd think that error is meaningless
02:07.57pflanzewell, if the libc in the cache is corrupt, it will affect all programs right?
02:08.15pflanzeFare: you could try emptying the cache..
02:08.22Farehow do I do that?
02:08.29pflanzeecho 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
02:09.03pflanzeI'm not 100% sure that will also remove libc from vm. But worth a try.
02:09.03Faresame error
02:09.08onetinsoldierabrotman: which error? i posted two of them
02:09.19onetinsoldierlooks like i need to go read the wiki...
02:09.19abrotmanthe xgl error
02:09.21Fareand I rebooted many times -- same error
02:09.26onetinsoldierabrotman: ok
02:09.37abrotmanonetinsoldier: yes, read the wiki
02:09.44onetinsoldierk\
02:09.59pflanzeFare: md5sum  of my  /lib/libc.so.6 is a3811bcc47fc4426809488bfd38fc229
02:11.04FareI pasted
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02:11.26Farea3811bcc47fc4426809488bfd38fc229  /lib/libc.so.6
02:11.42Farehttp://paste.debian.net/22421/
02:11.48pflanzeFare: try switching off all but one core:  for f in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/online ; do echo 0 > "$f"; done
02:12.18rajabrotman: thank you, ejecting the CD allowed me to overide it taking the mirror instead, thus resolving my problem
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02:12.33abrotmanah ok
02:12.46Akuwhow can i see my ipod in debian
02:12.52abrotmanFare: i'm seriously going with a hardware issue
02:13.01abrotmanAkuw: tried amarok and rythymbox ?
02:13.15abrotmanexcept .. spelled rhythmbox
02:13.41Akuwi just installed amarok
02:13.48Akuwbut can't seee device
02:14.30abrotmanFare: unless you're having some issue with /dev/zero
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02:15.01Fareabrotman, if it were a hw issue, why always at the same place in code?
02:15.14abrotmanFare: why can it not be?
02:15.16pflanzecrw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 5 2008-11-08 13:13 /dev/zero
02:15.20dutchfishhi, trying to configure a bridge for kvm under lenny. if i remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persitent-net.rules the adapter gets always the same MAC for every vm i start up instead of the right mac wich shows in brctl showmacs, how cna i bring udev to pick up the right mac?
02:15.22abrotmanFare: do other applications have issues ?
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02:15.39abrotmandutchfish: #-ot if you've the time
02:15.41pflanzeFare: does it still crash with only one cpu/core?
02:15.54Fare[  354.981574] kdesktop_lock[5512]: segfault at ffffffffffffffb0 ip 00007f7ad456e101 sp 00007fffddffd700 error 4 in libc-2.7.so[7f7ad453f000+14a000]
02:15.57Fareplenty of these
02:16.01Farein dmesg
02:16.05abrotmanvotes hardware!
02:16.22Fareunhappily, yes, only one core does it, too
02:16.24abrotmanFare: you might want to try a total fsck .. and then a long-run memtest
02:16.36FareI did a fsck recently and a debsums -a
02:16.40Farenothing fishy
02:16.47pkcahierhow can I tell apt to never upgrade a given package?
02:16.47Farebut I'll try the memtest
02:16.53pflanzewell the /dev/zero would actually be an explanation, if that's a normal file instead of a device, mmap'ing it will yield a zero length memory area, and then get a segfault if the error isn't checked.
02:17.06Faredev zero is c 1 5
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02:17.39abrotman!tell pkcahier about hold
02:17.46abrotmanpkcahier: but it's not full hard core never
02:17.46pkcahierthanks
02:17.52pkcahierok
02:18.05Farepkcahier, see in /etc/apt/preferences
02:18.43onetinsoldierabrotman: that wiki hasn't been updated in a long time(6 months it looks like) and didn't really help me. i fooled with it for a bit before coming in here and did some google search. it won't start up for me :-( but it's not like i need it. i just watned to check it out to see what it's like
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02:19.42onetinsoldiercompiz --replace &   Checking for Xgl: not present. No whitelisted driver found  aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
02:20.19pflanzeFare: another idea: run mplayer under valgrind
02:20.35pflanze"valgrind mplayer"
02:20.40abrotmando other media players explode in the same manner
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02:20.49Farehow do I unset the echo 0 ?
02:20.58pflanzeecho 1
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02:21.57Fareforgot a space between 1 and >
02:22.18Fareabrotman, xine does, at a wholly different place
02:22.23sabookyWhat is the difference between debian sid and sidux? Which one would be more recommended for a 'semi-stable' configurable rolling-release?
02:22.29Farewhat other players could I try?
02:22.44pflanzetotem
02:22.45abrotmandutchfish: i don't use kvm, but IIRC in qemu you can pass a MAC to the vm
02:22.49Faresabooky, sidux is based on sid, plus a few packages of its own
02:23.03Faresabooky, ubuntu?
02:23.06abrotmansabooky: they have their own packages for somethings, and it is *not* debian
02:23.37abrotmandutchfish: i'd imagine kvm has something simiar
02:23.38Fareapt-get install totem valgrind
02:23.39abrotmansimilar
02:23.53abrotmanFare: you probably want to try totem-gstreamer instead of using xine as the backend again
02:24.25sabookyhmm.. well.. considering the channel i'll probably get a very biased answer.. but which one would you recommend for a small home server. (this will replace my freebsd7 box if i end up liking it)
02:24.29CutMeOwnThroatsabooky, not sid - but you forgot about testing
02:24.50CutMeOwnThroatand how should we know about all the other distros
02:25.14CutMeOwnThroatlook at distrowatch?
02:25.15abrotmansabooky: i'd go with lenny .. it should be released RSN .. i wouldn't use sid for a server unless you like fixing broken stuff
02:25.27Faresabooky: I use lenny + a few packages from sid on a need basis
02:25.38FareI mean, testing really, not lenny
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02:25.57abrotmanmixing is not recommended
02:26.40Fareinterestingly, xine seems to die in dlsym
02:28.08dutchfishabrotman, yes, i pass a mac in kvm param line, however 70-persistent-net.rules prevent it. i deleted them but still no go, instead it gets the default mac from qemu for all the instances, did does not work of coarse
02:28.24sabookyabrotman: sid breaks often?
02:28.41dutchfishabrotman, its lenny with stock kerne;
02:28.50onetinsoldierabrotman: they have made a Compiz-Check script on their support forum... going to try that
02:28.57pflanzeFare: here's the complete binaries loaded by mplayer for me:
02:29.00pflanze$ ldd /usr/bin/mplayer|perl -wne 'm|=> (\S+)| and print "$1\n"'|sort -u|xargs md5sum|md5sum
02:29.00pflanze1dc8927c1792d01291ee58c88a76e9f0  -
02:29.12pflanzeehr except mplayer itself.
02:29.26pflanzewhich is    e13c1f0fd7b6bdc816f833d31d7b0ff2  /usr/bin/mplayer
02:29.32CutMeOwnThroatsabooky, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html
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02:29.50sabookyCutMeOwnThroat: thank you, checking it out now.
02:30.08pflanzeFare: if you've got a different sum from the libs, you've probably got mixed in some from sid.
02:30.24sabookyI guess I'll continue to play with lenny in virtualbox, and maybe install sid side by side.. hold off on sidux for now.
02:30.28sabookythanks a lot for the info
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02:30.47dutchfishabrotman, brctl showmacs give unique mac like 3     00:ff:55:fd:b6:c7       yes for the vm's so th ebridge seams fine, however the vm's themselves dont pick that up, whats changed in lenny udev?
02:31.16dutchfishabrotman, normally in etch deleting z25 would fix that
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02:31.46dutchfishabrotman, in lenny we have now 70-persistent-net.rules right?
02:32.06abrotmanyeah .. IIRC
02:32.28dutchfishabrotman, i thought edeleting them would help, but no go
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02:32.53dutchfishabrotman, resintalling udev in the vm does not help either
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02:33.01abrotmandutchfish: i'm sure it doesn't
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02:33.46dutchfishabrotman, the funny thing is, that the vm's nicely connect to the internet, the host and vice versa but not to the other vms
02:34.05dutchfishabrotman, of coarse not with duplicate macs
02:34.07abrotmannetmask issue ?
02:34.26dutchfishabrotman, nope, and route tbales all look fine
02:34.38dutchfisha/tbales/tables
02:35.02puffDangit, my /var partition is filling up again.
02:35.08dutchfishabrotman, i checked fireall rules also
02:35.55abrotmandutchfish: tried forcing a MAC on the VMs ?
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02:37.41Farebtw, the mplayer from my grml64 usb stick works
02:37.41Fare(except it got fewer codecs)
02:38.24Farepflanze, how do I downgrade all those libs to lenny?
02:38.24KlrSpzanyone familiar with hibernate? i am able to hit hibernate in xfce and it does hibernate ( i see /.suspended/ and if i disable mounting swap on boot then i can manually mount and it states it sees suspended data), but when bringing the system back up, it doesn't do anything, and boots as normal
02:38.40darksiferhi. i hav enable compiz but it seems that it is not workin. i hav followed the guide and i mess up with my installation 4 times. i will be grateful if you could help me. i have an nvidia card. plz
02:38.44Fare(and if one of those libraries is to blame, why a failure in libc?)
02:39.11Orion_X11How do I ssh my pc (192.168.0.3) through a notebook? I can ping that, But when trayins ssh it says: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused
02:39.18pflanzeFare: hm, downgrade; maybe someone else can tell, apt isn't my best knowledge. I did it some time by setting apt preferences
02:39.28pflanzebut I think you could just give package=version
02:39.36liable!connection refused
02:39.37dpkgWhen a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you.  It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things.
02:39.37pflanzeapt-get install foo=1.3.4  or so
02:40.26CutMeOwnThroatKlrSpz, no, but if you figure it out, I'd like to know what went wrong :)
02:40.32KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: damn!
02:41.00pflanzeFare: if you only want to downgrade the libraries used by mplayer, first search for the package they are in; I could give you the list of package numbers too
02:41.03KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: well at first it was a matter of my swap space for some reason only init'ing to 512mb, i reformatted that partition, and now it seems to suspend to disk fine,b ut i cna't get it to restore :S
02:41.04CutMeOwnThroatalso note dpkgs current opinion...
02:41.07CutMeOwnThroat!s2disk
02:41.08dpkgit has been said that s2disk is something what does not work.
02:41.11CutMeOwnThroat:-/
02:41.19Orion_X11liable: In that case I have to open port 22 in the pc. Right?
02:41.20CutMeOwnThroatbut some people said it's fine for them
02:41.25KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: i'm using pm-hibernate
02:41.35CutMeOwnThroathm
02:41.40liableOrion_X11: are you sure sshd is running?
02:41.55KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: what's your issue exactly?
02:42.02CutMeOwnThroatdoes that do something else, in any way
02:42.31Orion_X11liable: in the pc or in the note?
02:42.41liableOrion_X11: on the server
02:43.05Orion_X11How do I know if that is running? Is there a command line to know that?
02:43.06KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: i'm not really sure, but that's what i'm using
02:43.22liablenetstat -pantu (on the host)
02:43.39CutMeOwnThroatKlrSpz, well, I never looked into it - and normally s2ram is good enough for me - but one of two usb devices I use recently seem to make s2ram fail either while freezing the system or on wake-up - so I tried s2both, which also writes out everything to disk... only the result seems to be ignored on bootup, it boots regularly
02:44.02KlrSpzhmmph
02:44.26CutMeOwnThroatnow I just plug out the usb devices, and s2ram works
02:45.24CutMeOwnThroatKlrSpz, you might /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
02:46.49KlrSpz/msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
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02:47.02pflanzeFare: http://christianjaeger.ch/scratch/.fare/
02:47.03CutMeOwnThroatweird irc client?
02:47.08KlrSpzweird, pasted it and it failed, typed it and it worked
02:47.16CutMeOwnThroatKlrSpz, essentially tells you to go there http://en.opensuse.org/S2ram
02:47.18KlrSpzdpkg: i haven't a clue
02:47.34pflanzeFare: actually my md5sum included two libraries in standard locations but from nvidia (arghh)
02:47.49pflanzegoing to copy the md5sum list there, too
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02:48.51Orion_X11liable: no sshd in the server. So, do I have to apt-get install what?
02:49.15CutMeOwnThroathm, no wonder - there's also http://en.opensuse.org/S2disk - just saying "suspend" is a bit fuzzy
02:49.29liableOrion_X11: you need to install sshd... (apt-cache search ssh)
02:49.31KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: this is driving me bonkers... a week ago this was working, i formatted the partitions and reinstalled ubuntu (and #ubuntu is of no help) and it now doesn't work
02:49.35enouffuzzy wuzzy wuz a bear
02:50.01pflanzeFare: _md5sumlist is up there now too
02:50.04enoufspeaking of which - my nephew hit a 300lb black bear on a highway in FL yesterday
02:50.41CutMeOwnThroatha, but I should call pm-hibernate
02:50.49CutMeOwnThroatenouf, oh god, was the bear hurt?
02:50.55enoufdead
02:51.08abrotmanthanksgiving came early
02:51.31CutMeOwnThroatso are you allowed to keep the bear?
02:51.32enoufthank goodness my nephew wasn't though
02:51.36KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: as root yeah
02:51.59enoufyeah, we skinned it and display it now on our front lawn, ..in a menacing position
02:52.17Faregotta go offline
02:52.28FareI'll try to debug it
02:52.37Farethanks a whole lot for the support!
02:52.44CutMeOwnThroataren't the paws said to be an aprhodisiac?
02:52.54pflanzenp
02:52.55CutMeOwnThroator was that other, more private parts
02:53.13enoufCutMeOwnThroat: i don't know, but i am a walking aphrodisiac
02:53.25KlrSpzlol
02:53.27enouf!love me
02:53.28dpkgmakes love to enouf, caressing enouf's hair, whispering sweet nothings in enouf's ear...
02:53.31CutMeOwnThroat!shoot enouf
02:53.31dpkgblows enouf away with a German Luger
02:53.38CutMeOwnThroat(har har)
02:53.42enouf...with 9 lives :-p
02:53.44CutMeOwnThroattough love
02:53.52enouf!spank CutMeOwnThroat
02:53.53dpkgbends CutMeOwnThroat over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
02:54.04KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: just found package hibernate
02:54.08KlrSpzbout to try that, bbias
02:54.14CutMeOwnThroatbofhsmite enouf
02:54.14Farepflanze, thanks again
02:54.18CutMeOwnThroatdamn
02:54.20CutMeOwnThroathehe
02:54.32CutMeOwnThroatoh well, enouf of this
02:55.47runemastehow can i get a recursive wget to reject html files? its accepting them even though -R .html is set
02:55.58runemastei just need certain files off one webpage
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02:58.23KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: ok... so what i did was add resume=/dev/sdaN (where N is your partition #)
02:58.35KlrSpzerr.. to my kernel line in my grub menu
02:58.51KlrSpzwhich is odd cuz my last install didnt have that at ALL
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02:59.26puffThat's odd... do du onee way it's 500,000, do it another way it's 294. http://pastebin.com/d5cb5f706
02:59.34CutMeOwnThroatKlrSpz, and now it works?
02:59.41KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: did you see my msg?
03:00.17CutMeOwnThroatwhich one?
03:00.30CutMeOwnThroatI saw one
03:00.38KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: ok... so what i did was add resume=/dev/sdaN (where N is your partition #) to my kernel line
03:00.40KlrSpzrestored fine
03:00.49CutMeOwnThroatyes - you just didn't say if it worked :)
03:00.49KlrSpzbut.. my old install didn't have that at all, and it worked back then
03:01.02enoufKlrSpz: there are also other powermanagement apps .. like maybe powernowd? deprecated? BTW, seen lesswatts.org lately?
03:01.13KlrSpzi don't find that as a very good fix though cuz it worked previously
03:01.38enouf(i'm jumping in way late, and missed myuch info - so if i'm off, ignore me)
03:03.50CutMeOwnThroatpuff, the magic dragon - dotfiles!
03:04.17KlrSpzenouf: well the problem is that it hibernates fine, and if i mount swap myself it shows that it there's data there; but it isn't restoring on it's own... when booting i edited the grubline to tell it to resume, and that worked, but my old install i just backed up MOnday doens't show that, and it was working
03:04.20KlrSpzCutMeOwnThroat: 'splain?
03:04.24CutMeOwnThroatKlrSpz, will have a look... not on my laptop
03:05.13CutMeOwnThroatwouldn't be bad to have s2disk runnin also - but 1st thing is probably not to call it directly :)
03:06.49CutMeOwnThroatpuff, you just excluded .spamassassin and .pyzor and then wonder why it doesn't add up
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03:08.15CutMeOwnThroatit's like having 5 baskets of apples... you only get the total amount of apples if you add the number of apples in *all* baskets
03:08.17enoufKlrSpz: i would overwrite swap with zeros, and mkswap it again (i do that from time to time anyway - but not for suspend/hibernate reasons)
03:08.30enoufKlrSpz: in case there's some corruption in your swap
03:09.18enoufKlrSpz: also related check /etc/* files for whichever one contains the config for which partition to resume/reboot from
03:09.31KlrSpzenouf: i just did a swapoff /dev/sda2; mkswap /dev/sda2; swapon /dev/sda2
03:09.59enoufi do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/DRIVE-PARTITION-HERE bs=4M
03:10.06enoufafetr swapoff naturally
03:10.23CrippsFXenouf, shouldn't just running mkswap do the trick (instead of zeroing first), since it'll discard all the previous inodes, and create its own, so any data left (corrupt or otherwise) is essentially ignored bits.
03:10.37enoufmake absolutely certain you get the drive and partition correct!
03:10.58enoufCrippsFX: after you do swapoff, have a look at it with strings or a hex editor
03:11.31CrippsFXenouf, oh yeah, there's be data there, but when you run mkswap afterwards, the data that was there is useless.
03:11.56CrippsFX%s/there's/there'll/
03:12.21enoufCrippsFX: ahh .. i missed that step that he mentioned - yes, ... i guess you're correct, .. check it out for us ;-)
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03:12.39KlrSpzi don't think it's the parition that's the problem
03:12.52enoufok .. onto plan B :-P
03:13.05KlrSpzgunna test somethin real quick
03:13.06enoufbut heck - i'm thorough :-)
03:13.08KlrSpzbbiab
03:13.20KlrSpzwell it will resume if i force it to via the kernel line
03:13.32enoufKlrSpz: newer kernel?
03:13.46KlrSpzbuti just found a script and it writes the resume flag for me, i wonder if it's not updating for some reason, testing something, bbiab
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03:13.47enoufKlrSpz: i missed what happened between working and non-working
03:13.51CrippsFXyeah ... I just stepped in for a moment, and decided to flaunt some of the stuff I've learned about filesystems in the past 8 months ;)
03:14.12CutMeOwnThroatCrippsFX, you mean like... how to break them?
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03:14.26CrippsFXCutMeOwnThroat, like KNOWING how to break them ;)
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03:14.32enoufCrippsFX: well .. i had always done swapoff, swapon - not a mkswap in between .. so .. how's she looking? zeroed?
03:14.49enoufCrippsFX: besides the usual SWAPSPACE sig and whatnot
03:14.50CutMeOwnThroatswaps a couple of CrippsFXs inodes.
03:14.58enoufer 2
03:15.31CrippsFXenouf, "<enouf> KlrSpz: i would overwrite swap with zeros, and mkswap it again (i do that from time to time anyway"  ... I thought I'd point out the futility of zeroing before doing mkswap.
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03:15.54CrippsFXloses a couple of inodes.
03:15.55CutMeOwnThroatspecially since I'd think it's dangerous doing it with dd...
03:16.03CrippsFXit can be ...
03:16.15FlexaYou use the debian is time, but one thing bothers me is that I can not succeed in the recordings of ISOs, when I download, especially the ISOs images of DVD
03:16.17CutMeOwnThroatif it's not the last partition, would it stop at the end of it?
03:16.29CrippsFXif you don't specify a size before the end of the partiton, it'll crash the machine ...
03:16.33amphiCrippsFX: mkswap zeroes the partition?
03:16.48CrippsFX... at least that was my experience with it a few years ago, it may be fixed since then.
03:16.49Flexawhenever there is an error in recording the images
03:16.49FlexaI tried with several writers
03:16.49Flexais already low in other places without being of my house
03:16.49FlexaLabor also ...
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03:17.03CutMeOwnThroatfast typer
03:17.26CrippsFXamphi, no, but "dd if=/dev/zeroo of=/dev/<swapdev>" will or "cat /dev/zero>/dev/<swapdev>"
03:17.35amphiright
03:18.01CrippsFXmkswap just tramples all over what was there before with no regards as to what has had it or may want it.
03:18.14amphiso why is it futile to zero out the partition before mkswap?
03:18.30CutMeOwnThroatbecause mkswap overwrites everything anyways?
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03:18.59enoufCrippsFX: it's not futile - it just takes a little longer ;-)
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03:19.11CutMeOwnThroat... to give you the same result
03:19.16CrippsFXfutile was probably a poor choice of word ... I'd say "useless," unless, of course, you're worried about people taking data and reconstructing it from your swap partition.
03:19.20CrippsFX;)
03:19.26enouf^fives amphi
03:19.34CrippsFXXOR five?
03:19.35enouf;-P
03:19.39CrippsFX:P
03:19.40CutMeOwnThroatI think "futile" describes that pretty well
03:19.57CrippsFXwhat, reconstructing? Yeah.
03:20.06CutMeOwnThroatthough, perhaps only when you translate it to .de
03:20.44enoufhaha @ "CHKDSK found and fixed one or more errors on the Volume" .. time to reboot the sucker to see if this message goes away and if the POS boots once again :-P
03:20.46CutMeOwnThroatnot much happening in here
03:21.10CrippsFXalright folk, I'm off to bed. cathch you later.
03:21.22CrippsFXsuspends to his swap partition
03:21.43enoufCutMeOwnThroat: "redundant" is the word
03:22.10CutMeOwnThroatI was more on the useless-line :)
03:22.11CutMeOwnThroatbut yes
03:22.35CutMeOwnThroathm, installed festival.. and it crashes
03:22.56CutMeOwnThroatstarting to append to the bugreport, then realized that I don't know in which package the bug is
03:23.28CutMeOwnThroatit's bug 425305 and that's what I wrote so far http://paste.debian.net/22422/
03:23.32enoufbtw .. choose Safe Mode upon rebooting, then reboot into full mode
03:24.16CutMeOwnThroatwhat was that related to? :)
03:24.42enoufsomething silly i'm doing ;-)
03:25.17CutMeOwnThroatnow I wonder should I re-open and re-assign that bug and mark it as a duplicate of it's .. er.. duplicate
03:25.58CutMeOwnThroatthe actual problem might even be in the runtime library from a 3rd package
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03:28.42rhineheart_mhello.. what package is needed so that I can make ?
03:29.37enoufrhineheart_m: maybe make and autotools?
03:29.53rhineheart_maptitude install make autotools?
03:30.27abrotmanbuild-essential
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03:32.03rhineheart_menouf and abrotman, thank you
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03:39.48enoufsee #iptables?
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03:46.35rhineheart_manybody here who has an experience with xen 3.3?
03:46.49enoufi'm defragging an xpoop partition that hasn't been done in 8 years O_o
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03:48.00enoufwell .. not exactly - might want to check wiki.debian.org/Xen or similar .. also check the debian kernel mailing list
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03:48.39rhineheart_menouf, building xen here from source. :) 3.3
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03:50.16rhineheart_menouf, can you take a look with this please? is there any contradicting packages with it? http://rafb.net/p/dlRu5394.html
03:50.52rhineheart_mthat makes make not behaving as desired...
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04:05.03luke3321Has anyone else found that bzflag is rather buggy in Lenny?
04:05.15luke3321When installed from the Debian repos
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04:06.21onetinsoldierif anyone here is using the ati flgrx driver and has direct rendering working i could use hand if you have the time
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04:11.11Yamakiri|Awayhow can I activate my wifi
04:11.35Yamakiri|AwayMy computer only shows "wired network"
04:11.43luke3321try iwconfig
04:11.47luke3321im not expert
04:11.49Yamakiri|Awaythhanks
04:11.51luke3321but that might help
04:12.04Yamakiri|Awaycommand not found :/
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04:12.18Yamakiri|Awaybash: iwconfig: command not found
04:12.22Yamakiri|Awaynor ipconfig
04:12.28luke3321are you root?
04:12.40Yamakiri|Awayno, should I be?
04:12.45luke3321yep
04:12.56Yamakiri|Awayooh
04:13.16Yamakiri|Awaylo        no wireless extensions.
04:13.21Yamakiri|Awayeth1      no wireless extensions.
04:13.31Yamakiri|Awayeth0      no wireless extensions.
04:13.34Yamakiri|Awaysit0      no wireless extensions.
04:13.35Yamakiri|Away:/
04:13.52luke3321looks like you dont have the driver insalled for your wireless card
04:13.58luke3321what type of card is it?
04:14.09Yamakiri|AwayIt's an intel chipset, don't know much more than that
04:14.11kingsleyHow do you watch a movie DVD with mplayer?
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04:14.13Yamakiri|Awayalso, I have bluetooth
04:14.34luke3321what wireless types does it support
04:14.46luke3321something like "a/b/g" or "b/g/n"
04:14.52Yamakiri|AwayHow can I tell?
04:14.58CutMeOwnThroat!wireless
04:14.58dpkgSupport for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within.  Don't know what you have?  Ask me about <what's my wireless>.  Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>.  See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>.  http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
04:15.26luke3321onthere you go ;)
04:15.28CutMeOwnThroatintel is probably ICH
04:15.43Yamakiri|AwayICH?
04:15.48CutMeOwnThroat!whats my hardware
04:15.48dpkgYou can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny!  If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation.  See also <myram>.
04:16.23Yamakiri|Awayso should I sudo apt-get install lshw?
04:16.56luke3321CutMeOwnThroat: you are on top of this stuff
04:17.11CutMeOwnThroatam I what?
04:17.25luke3321im saying you know alot about this stuff
04:17.37onetinsoldierCutMeOwnThroat: there's a package missing there...   hardinfo
04:18.09onetinsoldierand i know it's all you fault CutMeOwnThroat .. lolz
04:18.33luke3321what version of Debian are you running?
04:19.08Yamakiri|Awaythis what I'm looking for CutMeOwnThroat ? http://yama.pastebin.com/d76fa0eb5
04:20.10peterrooneyi want to access all of an external USB 320 GB drive, but fdisk (and cfdisk) only see it as 128 GB.  do i have to invoke modprobe?
04:20.41onetinsoldierYamakiri|Away: you might want to change your nick
04:20.41CutMeOwnThroatI know nuffin about nuffin
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04:20.59Yamakiri|Awayonetinsoldier: I was posponing my sleep to do this
04:21.03Yamakiri|Away:p
04:21.04CutMeOwnThroatwhy? :)
04:21.11onetinsoldierlol
04:21.30CutMeOwnThroatwell, changing nick on away is silly anyways
04:21.31Yamakiri|AwayCutMeOwnThroat: because it's more important to have wifi ;p
04:21.43CutMeOwnThroatnobody CARES if you're there or not - if they do, they'll holler
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04:21.46luke3321nice
04:21.50onetinsoldieri don't postpone mine, i do it in my sleep :P
04:21.51luke3321NET before sleep
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04:22.15luke3321i can only do mine while i sleep :/
04:22.15Yamakiri|AwayCutMeOwnThroat: so is that pastebin link have the information I need?
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04:22.42CutMeOwnThroatbluetooth wireless?!
04:22.53Yamakiri|AwayYes, is that a problem?
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04:23.57Yamakiri|AwayCutMeOwnThroat: will bluetooth work properly in Debian?
04:24.11luke3321Yamakiri: Did you ever determine what wireless card you have?
04:24.23onetinsoldierif anyone here is using the ati flgrx driver and has direct rendering working i could use hand getting direct rendering going if you have the time
04:24.41Yamakiri|Awayluke3321: I think the info is at http://yama.pastebin.com/d76fa0eb5
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04:25.13CutMeOwnThroat"bluetooth wireless" is not wireless - at least not what people will think of, 802.11a/b/g is
04:25.38Yamakiri|AwayCutMeOwnThroat: there was one other thing that remotely looke dlike something wireless
04:25.42Yamakiri|Awaylet me pastebin that as well
04:26.11Yamakiri|Awayhttp://yama.pastebin.com/d6ebdcaff
04:26.26luke3321thats your wireless card
04:26.42luke3321"2915ABG" thats what i was looking for
04:27.01luke3321i've tried to get this card working before, and it can be done
04:27.02Yamakiri|Awayoh okay heh
04:27.08Yamakiri|Awayoh great!
04:27.16luke3321but i've found it takes a nice chunk of time
04:27.22CutMeOwnThroatyeah, that's it...
04:27.23luke3321~1-2 hrs
04:27.38CutMeOwnThroatwhat version of debian are you running, btw?
04:27.56Yamakiri|AwayCutMeOwnThroat: I get the feeling it's etch, but I'm not 100% sure
04:28.25CutMeOwnThroatwell, what does cat /etc/debian_version say?
04:28.57Yamakiri|Away4.0
04:29.01CutMeOwnThroatthat's etch
04:29.23luke3321what kernel version?
04:29.23CutMeOwnThroatso uname -r probably says something like 2.6.18-etch-something
04:29.41Yamakiri|Awayandrew@tyronet:~/Desktop$ uname -r
04:29.41Yamakiri|Away2.6.18-6-686
04:29.50luke33212.6.14+ supports this card by deafult
04:30.07Yamakiri|Awayluke3321: so shouldn't it let me get wireless internet?
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04:30.30luke3321you need the firmware first
04:30.35luke3321from: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php
04:31.00Yamakiri|Awayokay thanks :)
04:31.06Yamakiri|Awayluke3321: where do I download to?
04:31.11CutMeOwnThroatYamakiri|Away, that's the ipw2200 driver (you can /msg dpkg ipw2200)
04:31.14luke3321just use the 3.0 download
04:31.20luke3321download it to anywhere
04:31.34Yamakiri|Awayokay
04:31.34luke3321unpack to /lib/firmware
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04:32.09Yamakiri|AwayI use this one right?
04:32.12Yamakiri|Awaydriver versions v1.1.1 and newer firmware v3.0
04:32.15luke3321yes
04:32.35Yamakiri|Awayokay
04:32.51luke3321you unpack it?
04:33.26martian67hey how do I bridge a ethernet and a wireless connection in debian
04:33.41Yamakiri|Awayit's unpacking atm
04:33.56luke3321just google "network bonding;debian"
04:34.03Gnurduxwhats command to check free diskspace?
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04:34.11luke3321Gnurdux: df
04:34.15Yamakiri|Awayluke3321: how do I unpack it?
04:34.16Gnurduxthnx
04:34.23Yamakiri|AwayIt says I need root
04:34.25Yamakiri|Awaythe GUI does
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04:34.33luke3321you do
04:34.36boggy`so log into root
04:34.43luke3321no, dont
04:34.53luke3321are you in the sudoers file?
04:35.08Yamakiri|Awayluke3321: yes
04:35.09boggy`its debian not ubuntu... sudo is retarded
04:35.16boggy`:/
04:35.22luke3321sudo is useful, but anyway
04:35.37luke3321in a terminal type "sudo file-roller &"
04:35.40luke3321without the quotes
04:35.43Yamakiri|Awayokay
04:35.56luke3321did file-roller open?
04:36.04peterrooneyi want to access all of an external USB 320 GB drive, but fdisk (and cfdisk) only see it as 128 GB.  do i have to invoke modprobe?
04:36.09Yamakiri|Awaydo I type in password?
04:36.12Yamakiri|Awayandrew@tyronet:~/Desktop$ sudo file-roller &
04:36.12Yamakiri|Away[1] 17424
04:36.12Yamakiri|Awayandrew@tyronet:~/Desktop$ Password:
04:36.17luke3321if it asks for one, yes
04:36.18Yamakiri|Awayshould it look like that? :/
04:36.29luke3321yes, then enter your root password
04:36.32Yamakiri|Awayokay
04:36.47Yamakiri|Awayit stopped because I entered it :/
04:36.53luke3321hmm....
04:36.57luke3321okay, new approach
04:37.03luke3321open a root terminal
04:37.06Yamakiri|Awayokay
04:37.14onetinsoldierif anyone here is using the ati flgrx driver and has direct rendering working i could use hand getting direct rendering going if you have the time
04:37.15luke3321type "file-roller &"
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04:37.27Yamakiri|Awayoh it opened
04:37.32luke3321there we go
04:37.46luke3321now click "open" and browse to the file you downloaded
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04:37.58DeranderHey, I'm trying to install debian lenny (netinst disk) on a laptop with 220mb of ram.  it keeps stalling at 74% done installing core system ('storing language').  Is there something I can do to get around this?
04:38.04luke3321then extract it to /lib/firmware
04:38.32luke3321Derander: how long did you let it sit?
04:38.33Yamakiri|Awayluke3321: I can't open it :/
04:38.44Deranderluke3321: ~3 minutes last time, it has been waiting for 2 so far.
04:38.49luke3321Yamakiri: does it give an error?
04:38.56Deranderluke3321: it does the previous 73% in a minute.
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04:39.10luke3321Derander: Let it sit for longer, it took about 10 for me
04:39.15Deranderluke3321: thanks, will do :-)
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04:40.05andrew__1SB39: stop
04:40.30luke3321Yamakiri: Did it extract?
04:40.36Yamakiriluke3321: no :/
04:40.40CutMeOwnThroatstop?
04:40.50luke3321Yamakiri: Any error?
04:40.55YamakiriCutMeOwnThroat: didn't you see me get peer'd twice?
04:41.01Yamakiriluke3321: nope
04:41.20Yamakiriluke3321: I hit open, and go to /home/andrew/Desktop/that_directory?
04:41.28Yamakiriwhere that_directory is whatever it's called?
04:41.40CutMeOwnThroatso what's SB39 gotta do with that?
04:41.48luke3321hit open, brows to where you downloaded the file to
04:42.02SB39CutMeOwnThroat: I was annoying him
04:42.06SB39with PMs
04:42.08SB39:P
04:42.16Yamakiriluke3321: I did
04:42.28CutMeOwnThroataha
04:42.33luke3321Yamakiri: What is the full location of the file you downloaded?
04:42.34Yamakiriand I opened the file and when I hit "open" absolutely nothing happens
04:43.28YamakiriI'll delete it and try again
04:43.38luke3321okay
04:43.38FirefisheHave him open the file on the command line, using tar
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04:43.50luke3321i dont know the command line args for tar
04:44.04Firefisheis it a tar.gz or a .bz2?
04:44.05luke3321one of those things i never picked up :/
04:44.11luke3321let me check
04:44.19luke3321tgz
04:44.27Firefishe.tgz?
04:44.29luke3321yes
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04:44.34Firefisheokay, same as tar.gz
04:44.36CutMeOwnThroatops, already rather late for dinner
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04:44.50Firefishemake sure the file is in either your home directory...that's the safest bet
04:45.01Firefisheis *in* your home directory
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04:45.18luke3321hes redownloading it
04:45.22luke3321so we have to wait
04:45.24Firefisheluke...kewl
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04:46.19black_13who do i determine what package installs what program
04:46.26Firefisheluke3321:  I've tried the gui-based archive tools, but I've found that the CLI is just better for handling tar.gz and .bz2 archives.  The commands I'm going to give you:  I'd write them down in a text file and keep them on your Desktop
04:46.49luke3321what i will ;)
04:46.55luke3321*i will
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04:47.24Firefisheluke3321:  For filename.tar.gz files, you want to extract, do this:  tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
04:47.37CutMeOwnThroatblack_13, /msg dpkg search
04:47.39onetinsoldierblack_13: apt-cahce show <pkg_name> will show 'depends', and apt-cache showpkg <pkg_name> show reverse-depends
04:47.58luke3321Firefiche: okay
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04:48.01Firefisheluke3321:  Oh, .tgz files is the same
04:48.16CutMeOwnThroatno, black_13  wants the trinity apt-file/dlocate/dpkg -S
04:48.20Firefishe.tgz is just another extention for tar.gz...means the same thing
04:48.20luke3321Firefishe: okay
04:48.24CutMeOwnThroatoh
04:48.27Yamakiri_okay
04:48.29Yamakiri_it's working now
04:48.30CutMeOwnThroatperhaps I misread :)
04:48.44Yamakiri_luke3321: extract to where again?
04:48.45CutMeOwnThroatfuzzy asking to a fuzzy mind
04:48.57luke3321Yamakiri: /lib/firmware/
04:49.00Yamakiri_okay
04:49.01Firefisheluke3321:  For filename.tar.bz2 files, do this:  tar -xjvf filename.tar.bz2
04:49.13black_13i just want to know package installs autoreconf
04:49.17Yamakiri_luke3321: done
04:49.24onetinsoldierCutMeOwnThroat: ok.. he wants to know what 'file' not what 'package' installs what 'programs'.. my bad!
04:49.42CutMeOwnThroatblack_13, well, then as I said - /msg dpkg search
04:50.06onetinsoldierall i saw was this....
04:50.07luke3321Yamakiri: Hold on one sec
04:50.09Yamakiri_okay
04:50.12peterrooneyi want to partition an external USB 320 GB drive, but fdisk (and cfdisk) only see it as 128 GB.  do i have to invoke modprobe?
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04:50.17CutMeOwnThroatand it's actually autoreconf or autoreconf2.13
04:50.18onetinsoldierwho do i determine what package installs what program
04:50.36CutMeOwnThroatblack_13, ^^
04:50.42luke3321Firefiche: Thanks
04:50.53CutMeOwnThroatshouldn't it be black_cat_13 anyways?
04:50.55Firefisheluke3321:  You're welcome, happy to help
04:50.57peterrooneyonetinsoldier: apt-file
04:51.10CutMeOwnThroatha ... ha...
04:51.22onetinsoldierpeterrooney: thanks.. that was for someone else tho...
04:51.27luke3321Yamakiri: open a root terminal and type "vim /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200"
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04:51.43Yamakiri_okay
04:51.54Firefisheluke3321:  He'll want:   tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz, done from his /home/username directory.  Technically, it could be done from anywhere, but that's a good from which to start.
04:52.03Yamakiri_luke3321: done
04:52.09luke3321Firefishe: He got file-roller working
04:52.15Yamakiri_there are lots of blue tildes each on it's own row
04:52.26luke3321Yamakiri: thats okay
04:52.31Firefisheluke3321:  *sigh*  these gui children of today ;) hee.  just kidding
04:52.33peterrooneystart an editor war
04:52.34Yamakiri_okay
04:52.44peterrooney!start an editor war
04:52.45dpkgvim doesn't deserve to be in BSD
04:52.47luke3321Yamakiri: now hit Ctrl + a
04:52.57onetinsoldierif anyone here is using the ati flgrx driver and has direct rendering working i could use hand getting direct rendering going if you know how and you have the time
04:53.03Yamakiri_okay
04:53.12luke3321sorry people that dont like vim!
04:53.18Yamakiri_luke3321: nothing happened
04:53.24luke3321Yamakiri: nothing should
04:53.25Yamakiri_prefers nano :p
04:53.27Yamakiri_okay
04:53.36Yamakiri_luke3321: I hit it twice, is that bad?
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04:54.07luke3321Yamakiri: use any editor you want, just make the file "/etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200" and type "ipw2200" in it
04:54.36Yamakiri_okay
04:54.46luke3321you have that done and saved?
04:54.49yansanmoluke3321, thats    echo "ipw2200" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200   (if you have only this word)
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04:55.04luke3321yansanmo: never thought of that one ;)
04:55.11Yamakiri_luke3321: it's scaring me :/
04:55.24luke3321Yamakiri: What is?
04:55.28Yamakiri_I can't exit and I get that feeling that I did something wrong in vim
04:55.35luke3321its okay
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04:55.58luke3321just delete that file "rm /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200"
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04:56.13luke3321then "echo "ipw2200" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200"
04:56.16onetinsoldierYamakiri_: press the  :  key
04:56.21Yamakiri_oh okay
04:56.26Yamakiri_thanks onetinsoldier
04:56.31onetinsoldiernow press  wq
04:56.36onetinsoldierthen press enter
04:56.42Yamakiri_all that happens is that a : comes up
04:56.54Yamakiri_oh there
04:56.58Yamakiri_I had to hit control C
04:57.00onetinsoldieryup.. then press   wq  then press enter
04:57.11onetinsoldierwhen you get the   :   press wq
04:57.15onetinsoldierthen enter
04:57.33pstickneHow do I configure the 'default' application? eg. I want /etc/alternatives/www-browser to be iceweasel and not w3m
04:57.34onetinsoldierwq = write the file and quit
04:57.34Yamakiri_luke3321: with quotes?
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04:57.42luke3321no
04:57.43onetinsoldierno quotes
04:57.58onetinsoldierwq is a command.... write wuit
04:58.00Yamakiri_luke3321: you said echo "ipw220" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200
04:58.04onetinsoldierwrite wuit
04:58.05Yamakiri_no quotes?
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04:58.14onetinsoldierdamnit! tpyo
04:58.18onetinsoldierlol
04:58.23luke3321Type my next line exactly
04:58.27Yamakiri_okay
04:58.35luke3321echo "ipw2200" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200
04:58.42onetinsoldieri can't seem to type for crap
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04:59.06Yamakiri_luke3321: done
04:59.22luke3321Yamakiri: now type "cat /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/ipw2200"
04:59.37luke3321if "ipw2200" shows up, you are good
04:59.57yansanmopstickne, check  command:         update-alternatives --help
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05:00.16SystemFAILUREh e l l o
05:00.22Yamakiri_luke3321: it does :D
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05:00.42onetinsoldierif anyone here is using the ati flgrx driver and has direct rendering working i could use a hand getting direct rendering going if you know how and you have the time
05:00.54luke3321Yamakiri: Just restart so the system can load the appropriate modules, see you when you get back
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05:01.21Yamakiri_okay :D
05:01.43SB39How do u install flash on debian?
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05:03.00nite613!sarge
05:03.01dpkgTen-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31.  Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/
05:03.55SB39!sarge
05:03.56dpkgTen-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005.  Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31.  Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>.  Now removed from the mirrors; ask me about <archive>. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/
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05:04.17luke3321Yamakiri: Did you restart?
05:04.18enoufonetinsoldier: lsmod | grep edac (deja vu?)
05:04.43luke3321Who here is using xchat?
05:04.44yansanmoSB39, did you read http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer ?
05:04.55onetinsoldierenouf: hmm, somehow edac sounds familiar...
05:05.29SB39No, thanks though
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05:05.56pstickneyansanmo:  thanks
05:05.59onetinsoldierenouf: empty return
05:06.04enouf:survey says?"
05:06.04yansanmoluke3321, _o/
05:06.12SB39yamakiri is gone luke
05:06.14enoufonetinsoldier: ok then - nm ;-) onto plan b
05:06.18luke3321just saw that
05:06.22onetinsoldierhehe. roger
05:06.24luke3321when i said that, he was here tho
05:06.29Gnurduxis there something analagous to -t that asks debian to preferentially fetch from a particular repositroy?
05:06.31enoufonetinsoldier: tried #ati ?
05:06.34SB39really?
05:06.38luke3321yes
05:06.40Gnurduxlike a community repo?
05:06.43onetinsoldierenouf: i have the fglrx driver installed
05:07.18onetinsoldierenouf: i just don't have 'direct rendering'.. now you want to here something that make me want to pull my hair out?
05:07.22enoufand?
05:07.28SB39debian is linux, right?
05:07.32enoufi know
05:07.38onetinsoldierenouf: bear with me, ok?
05:07.40enoufonetinsoldier: tried #ati ?
05:07.43enoufok ...
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05:08.24onetinsoldierenouf: yes.. a few times. not all that many peeople in there, but i have tried a few times, and i have never gottena any response at all.. not even to 'hi'
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05:08.53enouftell AMD/ATi to create a better channel?
05:09.00yansanmoSB39, debian is a distribution of thousands of software packages, that include the kernel linux
05:09.03Yamakiriluke3321: I'm back :D
05:09.12onetinsoldierenouf: when you run   glxinfo  there is a line very near the start of the output that says....
05:09.17enoufor find the more densely popular one?
05:09.20Yamakiribut uh I'm not sure how to start the wifi :/
05:09.23enoufs/ly//
05:09.28Yamakirithe GUI isn't helping me much ._.
05:09.30onetinsoldierdirect rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
05:09.31CutMeOwnThroatluke3321, just use the force
05:09.31black_13does debian have something like a group install?
05:09.38luke3321Yamakiri: okay, one sec
05:09.40enoufso, do it
05:09.43black_13i want to install all the x development libraries?
05:09.44Deranderluke3321: I think I'm going to give up - - I've let it run since when you last spoke to me a half hour ago
05:09.57enoufexport that VAR
05:10.04luke3321Derander: Hmmm, i just waited, maybe your wont work
05:10.07enoufor .. don't bother, just set it
05:10.23onetinsoldierenouf: SO, i set the LIBGL_DEBUG enviroment variable to "verbose".. and check to make sure it's set
05:10.29luke3321Yamakiri: run "apt-get install kwifimanager"
05:10.35onetinsoldierenouf: it does.... nothing!!
05:10.36yansanmoblack_13, if you want to compile a package/project, you can type    apt-get build-dep  packages
05:10.40enoufoh .. i'm still "bearing" .. ok
05:11.00onetinsoldierenouf: the output is exactly the same!
05:11.03Yamakiriinstalling...
05:11.06luke3321okay
05:11.29luke3321Yamakiri: while its doing that, as root type "iwconfig"
05:11.32Yamakiriunpacking...
05:11.38Yamakiriokay
05:11.51deadcatis there anyway to run sudo without typing the passwd? i dont have access to /etc/sudoers but i have few sudo commands
05:11.52yansanmoblack_13, there is also: http://packages.debian.org/etch/xorg-dev  (xorg librairies meta-package)
05:12.03Yamakiriluke3321: nothing's attached :/
05:12.04yansanmoblack_13, so apt-get install xorg-dev
05:12.24luke3321Yamakiri: pastebin the output of iwconfig
05:12.30CutMeOwnThroatblack_13, why do you want to install those?
05:12.32Yamakiriokay
05:13.02CutMeOwnThroatDerander, perhaps you need to boot with a newer kernel(?) sounds like some problem with the hardware
05:13.12yansanmodeadcat, you need the NOPASSWD keywords in your /etc/sudoers
05:13.19pstickneHmm, iceweasel doesn't provide www-browser :(
05:13.21DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: I'm running on 220mb of ram, I suspect it may have to do with that
05:13.22Yamakiriluke3321: http://yama.pastebin.com/d94ad656
05:13.28luke3321i see it
05:13.34CutMeOwnThroatDerander, ouch :)
05:13.35DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: Mr. Dibbler
05:13.40deadcatyansanmo: ya. like i said . dont have access to sudoers. sudo doesnt provide options from command line?
05:13.46psticknedeadcat:  no
05:13.50deadcatf
05:13.53DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: Ancient freebee laptop, thought I might get it to run a command line :-)
05:13.55luke3321Yamakiri: Hmm, that shoulda worked...... Dont know why its not
05:14.03yansanmodeadcat, only the root can decide that
05:14.06CutMeOwnThroatDerander, 640K is enough for every PC ever, ever, ever - still, 220Mb is little by todays' standards
05:14.12psticknedeadcat:  if you have ssh access you can use pki ;-)
05:14.13DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: yes.
05:14.20CutMeOwnThroatDerander, sausage inna bun while you wait?
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05:14.30DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: I'd prefer one onna stick
05:14.46CutMeOwnThroatDerander, they're specially tasty today, if you don't mind the green color
05:14.53DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: got meat pies?
05:15.07CutMeOwnThroatfloating in pea soup? sure!
05:15.08Yamakiriluke3321: should I restart?
05:15.12yansanmopstickne, I thing that www-browser is only for command line browser, no?
05:15.13DeranderCutMeOwnThroat: cool.  I'll take 3
05:15.20onetinsoldierenouf: anyway, the reason i was having trouble getting the driver to install earlier is because it seems, that it wanted to be in X to install. it wanted to run run the installer in gui mode. or else i ended up installing something it wanted without even know it
05:15.24onetinsoldierknowing*
05:15.33luke3321Yamakiri: Hold on a sec, I was going off memory, im gonna google it ;)
05:15.49Yamakiriokay thanks! :)
05:15.50CutMeOwnThroathands a bowel of meat pies (named meat, mind! it was called "spot") floating in mushy pea soup to Derander.
05:15.53enoufonetinsoldier: hrm...
05:15.56pstickneyansanmo:  I have no idea, all I know is that the xfce-default-browser is setup to use 'Debian Sensible Default' which is www-browser :-)
05:16.06DeranderCutMeOwnThroat:  :-)
05:16.31enoufonetinsoldier: i'm sure AMD/ATi would love to know about it ;-)
05:16.32luke3321Yamakiri: Go to System > Administration > Network
05:17.09enoufonetinsoldier: i don't know offhand if you might need one of the pkgs returned from doing a ~$ apt-cache search libgl | grep debug
05:17.34Yamakiriokay
05:17.39CutMeOwnThroatanyone installed and played Funguloids, btw? If yes - is that anywhere like hunting psychedelic mushrooms? (ouch, tree - game over)
05:17.39enoufonetinsoldier: either libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg or libglib2.0-0-dbg would be a quick guess
05:17.42Yamakiriluke3321: in the terminal?
05:17.50Yamakirithere's no system menu up top :p
05:17.56luke3321Yamakiri: no, in the gnome menu
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05:18.19onetinsoldierenouf: i'll give it a shot
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05:18.37yansanmopstickne, so add the alternatives with --install /usr/bin/iceweasel www-browser ... and set it after
05:18.45Yamakirioh under desktop
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05:19.02luke3321yes
05:19.38luke3321Yamakiri: But before that, run "apt-get install ipw2200-modules-2.6-686" as root
05:19.51luke3321Yamakiri: I just assumed that was installed, but lets check
05:20.05Yamakiriokay
05:20.33Yamakiriandrew@tyronet:~$ sudo apt-get install ipw2200-modules-2.6-686
05:20.34YamakiriReading package lists... Done
05:20.34YamakiriBuilding dependency tree... Done
05:20.34YamakiriE: Couldn't find package ipw2200-modules-2.6-686
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05:20.46Yamakiric'mon it was just 4 lines :p
05:20.58enouf...
05:21.09onetinsoldierenouf: btw... i'm trying #ati again, but no luck on any kind of response
05:21.16enouf4 lines x 800 users?
05:21.29Yamakiriluke3321: E: Couldn't find package ipw2200-modules-2.6-686
05:21.35luke3321Yamakiri: Okay, you need to add the contrib repo to your sources.list
05:21.36enoufonetinsoldier: is there an fglrx channel?
05:21.52onetinsoldierdon't think so.. but not sure
05:22.01Yamakiriluke3321: how would I go about doing that?
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05:22.10luke3321Yamakiri: So open up "/etc/apt/sources.list" with your favorite editor
05:22.15Yamakiriokay
05:22.18onetinsoldierenouf: looks like i just created it now.. lol
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05:22.25enoufyou need root perms
05:22.32enoufonetinsoldier: huh?
05:22.37enoufi see
05:22.38luke3321Yamakiri: now use the #flood command to paste it here
05:22.47enoufyeah .. try other networks?
05:22.59Yamakiriluke3321: the channel?
05:23.04Yamakirior type #flood ?
05:23.09enoufwiki.debian.org/fglrx have any pointers
05:23.15yansanmopstickne, hum don't do the command i did, there are missing parameters...
05:23.22FirefisheTo join another irc channel, like #flood, type:  /join #flood
05:23.24luke3321Yamakiri: just paste the first line staring with "deb"
05:23.46Yamakiri# deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main
05:24.02enouf!contrib
05:24.03dpkgwell, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free).  To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end.  Ask me about <non-free>
05:24.26luke3321just do what that says ;)
05:24.36Yamakiriso
05:24.37enouf;-)
05:24.43pstickneyansanmo:  but got me on the right track:  update-alternatives --install /etc/alternatives/www-browser www-browser /usr/bin/iceweasel 0 (the help/man are a tad confusing)
05:24.48luke3321thanks enouf
05:24.50bluethundrwell, I'm still getting an error when I telnet localhost 110
05:24.54bluethundrusername myuser
05:24.57bluethundrpass mypass
05:25.01bluethundrI get
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05:25.14Yamakirihttp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib?
05:25.19bluethundr-ERR chdir Maildir failed
05:25.20Doonzis there a command via ssh that will just show me cpu utilization %'s?
05:25.21luke3321yes
05:25.29Yamakiriokay
05:25.30luke3321and add "non-free" on the end to be safe
05:25.33onetinsoldierenouf: if i install libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg it will install a few more packages... and remove a few
05:25.35Yamakiriokay I shall
05:25.41pstickneyansanmo:  haha, or I just messed it up :-)
05:25.45bluethundrI have gone to my home directory and issued maildirmake myname
05:25.55luke3321Yamakiri: now save that file
05:26.04bluethundrand ended up with a Mail directory with the right permissions
05:26.15onetinsoldierThe following extra packages will be installed:  libgl1-mesa-swx11 libosmesa6   The following packages will be REMOVED: libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx
05:26.26Yamakiriokay
05:26.37bluethundrI have restarted postfix, courier-pop, and courier-authdaemon
05:26.38luke3321Yamakiri: now, run "apt-get update" as root
05:26.53bluethundrand still get the same erro
05:26.55bluethundrerror
05:27.13yansanmopstickne, ls -l /etc/alternatives/www-browser   (should show you the symbolic links)
05:27.26Yamakiriokay
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05:27.36KlrSp1still can't get this damn resume to work right
05:27.38pstickneyansanmo:  I fixed it now, I lost /usr/bin/www-browser somewhere along the way...
05:27.52luke3321Yamakiri: now run "apt-get install kwifimanager" as root
05:27.54enoufonetinsoldier: well, what i know about thtat is .. the -swx11 pkgs are there for when one uses nvidia/ati binary blobs (possibly for xv acceleration?) as the -mesa-dri and -mesa-glx are not needed when binary blobs are supposed to be doing direct rendering
05:28.19bluethundrthis problem is driving me to the /usr/looney/bin
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05:28.27Yamakiriokay
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05:28.50luke3321Yamakiri: now in a normal terminal run "kwifimanager &"
05:28.54enoufonetinsoldier: might you be missing a needed dri/drm kernel module? (modprobe) .. or .. maybe needing "fglrx" as driver in your xorg.conf
05:28.56enouf?
05:28.57Yamakiriokay
05:29.06luke3321did a window pop up?
05:29.17onetinsoldierenouf: ok, i'll install em. that sounds right. the flgrx is supposed to supply the direct rendering
05:29.28Yamakiriluke3321: Yes, and I get like 50 errors
05:29.30onetinsoldierbut i'll be damned if i know wha's wrong
05:29.40luke3321Yamakiri: But does it run?
05:29.43Yamakiriyes
05:29.50luke3321then the errors dont matter
05:29.54yansanmopstickne, this is strange the /usr/bin/www-browser link to /etc/alternatives/www-browser that link to your browser...
05:29.56enoufonetinsoldier: etch? lenny?
05:30.00Yamakiriluke3321: but it can't find networks :/
05:30.22onetinsoldieri just need to keep trying, keep searching the net(google) and keep asking the question once in a while.. someone will come along that's already been through this at some point
05:30.23luke3321Yamakiri: wait, close that, forgot a step
05:30.27Yamakiriokay
05:30.27onetinsoldierenouf: lenny
05:30.31pstickneyansanmo:  I just smile and nod and hope the etc/sid/lenny/whatever mess I have keeps working. Thanks for your help.
05:30.40enoufok
05:30.44luke3321Yamakiri: run "apt-get install ipw2200-modules-2.6-686" as root
05:30.55Yamakiriokay
05:31.14YamakiriE: Couldn't find package ipw2200-modules-2.6-686
05:31.24liableipw has been in the kernel since .15 iirc
05:31.30KlrSp1CutMeOwnThroat: i can't get this workin
05:31.33liable!ipw2100
05:31.34dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, ipw2100 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 802.11b chipsets (http://ipw2100.sf.net/) included in kernels since 2.6.14.  Firmware is required, download from http://ipw2100.sf.net/firmware.php (v1.3 for Etch and later Debian versions) and extract to /lib/firmware.  #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net.
05:31.40enoufjudd: versions ipw2200-modules-2.6-686
05:31.41juddenouf: ipw2200-modules-2.6-686 -- etch/contrib: 2:2.6.18-4+etch3 etch-security/contrib: 2:2.6.18-4+etch3
05:32.00luke3321Liable: he did that, still nothing from his wifi card
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05:32.46SB39how did dpkg ping me
05:32.50SystemFAILUREwishes an happy birthday to himself
05:33.10enoufYamakiri: apt-get update?
05:33.14Yamakiriokay
05:33.24Yamakiridone
05:33.30Firefishehappy bday, SystemFAILURE
05:33.31enoufyou are using Etch, yes?
05:33.33Yamakiristill can't find it though
05:33.35luke3321Yamakiri: I'm not sure why this isnt working, but I have to go, I have drivers training in the morning
05:33.35Yamakiriyes
05:33.41SystemFAILUREFirefishe:: lol thanks :*
05:33.44Yamakiriokay, see you later luke3321 :)
05:33.50enoufYamakiri: dpkg -l libc6
05:34.13bluethundrdoes anyone have any thoughts on my courier mail situation?
05:34.13luke3321Yamakiri: Hope you get this sorted out, i'm sure you will, these guys here know what they are talking about
05:34.23enoufnot me :-P
05:34.30luke3321yes you do
05:34.33luke3321dont be humble
05:34.36YamakiriThanks a whole lot luke3321!
05:34.37bluethundralso..... it should be noted that I used to have a exim configuration
05:34.48bluethundrwhich I got rid of to install postfix
05:34.54onetinsoldierenouf: installed... after a about 50 lines of this depends on that, this is not installed, however, ect, ect...
05:34.59luke3321See you all later!
05:35.12FirefisheTake care luke
05:35.18bluethundrif I go to mutt and send a message to my gamail account I experience EPIC WIN
05:35.21FirefisheMemorize those commands! ;)
05:35.27Yamakiri[*] Loading module:     m_services.so
05:35.27Yamakiri[*] Loading module:     m_services_account.so
05:35.27Yamakiri[*] There was an error loading the module 'm_services_account.so': Factory function of A Module threw an exception: Could not add new modes!
05:35.30YamakiriCrap
05:35.33YamakiriI am so sorry
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05:35.44YamakiriI pasted the wrong thing, very very sorry
05:35.53bluethundrif I send TO my account from any random external account I do not get a bounce
05:36.12Yamakiri00:33 <dpkg> No packages found matching libc6                  Is what I meant to paste
05:36.14bluethundrbut neither mutt nor evolution shows any new mail coming in since I made the switch from exim to postscript
05:36.31Yamakirienouf: please above :/
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05:37.48bluethundrdoes anyone here use courier pop?
05:38.00SystemFAILUREHow to set the debugging level when booting Debian ?
05:38.17bluethundrshould I give up on courier pop and switch to maybe dovecot ?
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05:41.24KlrSp1anyone a hibernate master? i can get it to hibernate, but not resume
05:41.49Yamakirienouf: dpkg bot doesn't have information on libc6
05:42.05SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: I use hibernate
05:42.15SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: what does it say when trying to resume ?
05:42.18KlrSp1SystemFAILURE: it used to work, but i formatted and reinstalled
05:42.34enoufjudd: versions libc6
05:42.35juddenouf: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 lenny: 2.7-15 sid: 2.7-16 experimental: 2.8+20080809-1
05:42.40KlrSp1SystemFAILURE: nothiong, it used to say that it was checking for resumable images, now it doesn't
05:42.54SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: how did you install it ?
05:42.55KlrSp1this is a fresh install of ubuntu btw; it worked just prior to the formatting
05:42.56enouf!libc6
05:42.57dpkgwell, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks.
05:43.01KlrSp1SystemFAILURE: fresh out of the box
05:43.04Yamakirioh okay
05:43.23enoufnow .. go away
05:43.38SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: which kernel are you using ?
05:43.41Yamakirisee you later then
05:43.49KlrSp12.6.24-22-generic
05:44.23SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: ?? which distro ?
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05:44.28KlrSp1ubuntu 8.04
05:44.45SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: and why are you asking here so ?!?!
05:44.52KlrSp1because ubuntu is based on debian
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05:44.59KlrSp1and i don't believe this to be an ubuntu issue
05:45.10enouf...
05:45.11SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: on my Debian I simply done 'apt-get install hibernate vlock'
05:45.24KlrSp1yeah, like i said, it hibernates just fine
05:45.44KlrSp1if i boot with resume=/dev/sda2 on the kernel line it resumes, but whenver i upgrade kernels that disappears
05:45.47SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: maybe your kernel needs the Suspend2 patch
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05:46.44KlrSp1no, it was working just fine earlier
05:46.51KlrSp1it HAS to be some config setting somewhere
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05:47.46SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: try with 'apt-get --purge remove hibernate vlock && apt-get install hibernate vlock'
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05:51.03onetinsoldierif anyone here is using the ati flgrx driver and has direct rendering working i could use a hand getting direct rendering going if you know how and you have the time
05:51.53enouffGLrx
05:52.12FirefisheHey enouf
05:52.30enoufsup fish?
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05:54.01KlrSp1yeah nothin
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05:54.57SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: dunno , try asking on #ubuntu so
05:55.00Firefisheenouf:  oh, just configuring lenny to behave on my g50v asus.  I finally got the mother installed last night ;)
05:55.05SystemFAILUREKlrSp1:: Debian and Ubuntu are different
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05:55.35enoufdpkg: libc6 =~ s/a/an/
05:55.36dpkgenouf: OK
05:55.47FirefisheKlrSp1:  I've used both ubuntu and kubuntu....ask in #kubuntu as well.  Very helpful folks in both channels.  And yes, debian is different.
05:56.09onetinsoldier#ati.. what a waste of a channel
05:56.09enoufFirefishe: ahh..
05:56.26ultrav1oletTwo questions: how can I bind network interfaces to my NIC MAC addresses and how can I up a network interface _without_ assigned IP address.
05:57.02enouf!dhcp
05:57.03dpkg[dhcp] Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol.  Ask me about <dhcp client>.
05:57.06SystemFAILUREFirefishe:: ergo , Debian is better :D
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05:58.14enoufultrav1olet: a) /msg dpkg z25 and b) /msg dpkg interfaces
05:59.34Firefisheultrav1olet: quick and dirty dhcp from the command line:  Providing your ethernet or wi-fi cards are working properly, just type, as root:   dhclient   *or*    dhclient <interface>, e.g., dhclient eth0, dhclient, wlan0 .
06:00.10Firefishenix the comma on that last one:  should've been:  dhclient wlan0
06:00.27Firefisheetc.
06:00.35ultrav1oletFirefishe: that's not for me obviously
06:00.45Firefishek...just a blurb ;)
06:01.53FirefisheSystemFAILURE:  I concur, generally speaking.  I've worked with both distros, and I like stock debian.  I know what the code base is doing (as much as a semi-informed layman can know such things, at any rate ;-) ), and it's nice to stick with the originals.
06:01.56ultrav1oletenouf: 1) Any network card can be physycally removed and at the next reboot I will end up with an assigned IP address for a wrong (new) hardware 2) I've read man 5 interfaces several times and I cannot figure out how to up an interface without IP address assigned
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06:02.19onetinsoldierenouf: i thought that packages i installed at your suggestion might have overwritten something from the flgrx driver. so i decided to rerun the installer. it's interesting, i'm getting yet another different tpye of installer screen. this one is ncurses based. just an fyi
06:02.21SystemFAILUREFirefishe:: yeah . I used Ubuntu for about 4 years and I decided to try Debian some days :: I just love it now :P
06:02.57pstickneultrav1olet:  use 'dhcp' instead of 'static' in the interface configuration
06:03.48ultrav1oletpstickne: that's kinda weird, besides there CAN be a DHCP server on the net, thus I will get an IP address assigned and I don't want that
06:04.22pstickneultrav1olet:  so you want it to be static?
06:04.58ultrav1oletpstickne: I just want e.g. eth0 up and running withOUT any IP address
06:05.12pstickneultrav1olet:  then assign it a reserved static
06:05.29pstickneultrav1olet:  or don't use ifup, I don't think it allows 'up with no ip'
06:05.56FirefisheHe may have to get some type of an IP hider, if he doesn't want anything to show up.l
06:06.19pstickneif the interface is being brought up....
06:06.20enoufalias it
06:06.49pstickne(so now that we know X isn't desired, what was the Y you really wanted to know? :-)
06:07.36pstickneohh
06:07.39pstickne'manual'
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06:07.58pstickne(right between 'static' and 'dhcp' in the man-page)
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06:08.41enoufonetinsoldier: pretty sure the nvidia.com installer messes with libgl1-mesa-glx (especially)
06:08.55ultrav1oletwhy is it so difficult? In RedHAt I just create this file and ready to go:
06:09.05pstickneultrav1olet:  'man interfaces' then search for 'manual'
06:09.28pstickneultrav1olet:  I was expecting the answer to be at least somewhat buried :(
06:09.29ultrav1oletifcfg-eth2
06:09.29ultrav1oletDEVICE=eth2 \ ONBOOT=yes \ HWADDR=MAC_ADDRESS
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06:09.48pstickneultrav1olet:  go cry. I told you how to 'solve' your problem
06:10.06ultrav1oletpstickne: I tried all possible options, debian's network script just doesn't let me have a static interface without IP address assigned
06:10.10pstickneultrav1olet:  which took me less than 30 seconds in the 'interfaces' man page
06:10.13pstickneultrav1olet:  'manual'
06:10.22pstickneultrav1olet:  as I said (and the man-page says)
06:11.40ultrav1oletiface eth0 inet manual
06:11.55ultrav1oleti do ifup eth0 ... and nothing happens
06:12.05pstickneifconfig eth0  -- what do you see?
06:12.09ultrav1oletifconfig doesn't show this interface
06:12.33ultrav1oletifconfig eth0 WILL initialize it so I ran it without any parameters
06:12.54enoufifconfig eth0 up
06:13.07ultrav1oletthat's WRONG
06:13.22ultrav1oletI want /etc/init.d/network to initialize it
06:13.30enoufj0'm0mma was wrong
06:13.39ultrav1oletI've already shown a working redhat config
06:13.41enoufno
06:13.43pstickneultrav1olet:  under the 'manual' section, see the part where it refers the startup scripts...
06:13.49ultrav1oletseems like debian just cannot do that
06:14.11pstickneultrav1olet:  as well, you said 'manual' and manual is, well, that... so now find the next man-page and stop complaining that manual is really manual.
06:14.14enoufnope
06:14.37Firefisheultrav1olet:  perhaps you need to work with a distro that used the older-style unix rc.d files, and nixes the init.d stuff.
06:14.53Firefishemore manual control sometimes.
06:14.59ultrav1oletpstickne: can you just show me a _working_ line?
06:15.14ultrav1oletFirefishe: that's ugly
06:15.26enouf!info file-rc
06:15.40superfirelord42hmm, dpkg?
06:15.42ultrav1oletit looks like I will end up upping that interface from rc.local
06:15.52pstickneultrav1olet:  search for 'run-parts' in the interfaces man-page
06:15.53ultrav1oletwhich sucks immensely
06:15.59pstickneultrav1olet:  or you could RTFM
06:16.02dpkgfile-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.11 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB
06:16.12ultrav1oletRTFM'ed ten times with no success
06:16.18superfirelord42ok, i thought someone had killed dpkg...
06:16.24superfirelord42is relived
06:16.28pstickneultrav1olet:  well, read the paragraph which contains 'run-parts'
06:16.30Firefishe<--monkey's unvle
06:16.32Firefisheuncle even
06:16.50Firefisheenouf:  Now *that* is interesting.
06:17.01ultrav1oletpstickne: can I _just_ up it without dirty tricks like running some commands manually?
06:17.06Firefisheenouf:  If I install it, does it take over my install?
06:17.25pstickneultrav1olet:  if you read the man-page, you'd see where to cleanly put the code to bring it up non-manually
06:17.35enoufall there in the debian reference Firefishe ;-)
06:17.40pstickneultrav1olet:  why do you think I am telling you this? I don't know, you've already made up your mind. goodnight.
06:17.42ultrav1olet"put the code"
06:18.05pstickneultrav1olet:  'ifup $IFACE up'
06:18.17pstickneultrav1olet:  which is no more 'code' than XYZ=.... QYZ=...
06:18.22enoufFirefishe: apt-cache show <pkg>
06:18.22ultrav1oletpstickne: great, that's exactly what I didn't want to do
06:18.46Firefisheenouf:  Very well, I'll take a look.  Shouldn't be too hard to find it.  Never even heard of it.  I need to read that thing through.  I think I shall bind it in a leather-bound tome with sacred penguin sigils and prophetic gnu-heads around the edges ;)
06:18.51enouf!spank ultrav1olet
06:18.52dpkgbends ultrav1olet over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
06:18.55pstickneultrav1olet:  you are complaining that the manual method creates a nice, clean location of where to put this in a very configurable system?
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06:19.31Firefisheenouf:  got the 2nd half...thank you
06:19.34ultrav1oletpstickne: I'm not complaining I just wonder why debian lacks such a simple option
06:19.50enoufvery .. er  ... descriptive Firefishe
06:20.02enoufnp
06:20.23pstickneultrav1olet: Talk to the specific authors of ifup; I'd suspect because it's not very common.
06:20.41Firefisheenouf:  I'm just a tired, snarky, wannabe-geek who needs to hit the books more directly ;) hee
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06:20.53ultrav1oletit's more  than common if you have e.g. a network interface _only_ used for PPPoE connections
06:21.09jncrcan anybody help me with usb audio?
06:21.28ultrav1oletand that's exactly why I need this interface unconfigured
06:21.29jncrlike a usb sound card
06:21.59ultrav1oletjncr: ask a specific question, don't ask to ask
06:22.22pstickneultrav1olet:  stop wasting time asking X-Y questions.
06:22.23psticknehttp://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE
06:22.27pstickneultrav1olet:  first google hit.
06:23.06enouf!pony pstickne
06:23.06dpkggives pstickne a pony
06:23.20enouf;-)
06:23.31psticknetakes the pony for a brisk morning ride
06:23.55superfirelord42enouf, how do you know all of these?
06:24.08Firefishea....pony.  Now I've seen it all.
06:24.15Firefishe;)
06:24.18enouf!nopony ultrav1olet
06:24.18dpkgultrav1olet: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg
06:24.25superfirelord42there used to be a helper cookie, dont remember the command though...
06:24.29pstickneFirefishe:  no, no, the Care Bears are still asleep...
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06:25.05ultrav1oletpstickne: you are right ;-) but what if I wanted that interface unconfigured? ;-)
06:25.39jncrok, usually to get usb audio to work I put my intel card (snd-hda-intel) in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist to get my usb soundcard to work. however, I want to use my intel card as well to use a mic, specifically skype.  when I do my usual method it completely blocks out my intel card, so I am unable to record. can anybody tell me how to use both?
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06:26.04onetinsoldierenouf: guess what.. and you only get one guess
06:26.30enouf!\o/
06:26.30dpkgi heard \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy!
06:26.38onetinsoldierrofl
06:26.40superfirelord42wow
06:27.40Firefisheenouf:  that no pony image is just so evil ;)
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06:28.32onetinsoldierenouf: after installing those packages you suggested.. i was reading on searches in google and decided to search for dri.so, after doing an updatedb, and it looked as it the uninstall of the other mesa libs had deleted the flgrx libdri.so file.
06:28.36enouf<PROTECTED>
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06:30.34onetinsoldierenouf: so i reinstalled the flgrx driver... and it said i should run 'aticonfig'.. so i rebooted to make sure the driver was loaded properly. did another updatdb.. it was looking good. i then decided to empty the xorg.conf file and run aticonfig --intial  ,which creates the xorg.conf file from scratch
06:31.15enoufdoes a snare roll
06:31.31onetinsoldierenouf: then i left out of X.. was was acting a little screwy. i then tried to /etc/init.d/kdm stop.... vurt it wouldn't.. so i rebooted.. after meesage that stopping all processes had failed
06:31.56onetinsoldierafter ebooting i came back in and ran   glxinfo... and lo and behold...
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06:32.29enoufhits a crash cymbal!
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06:33.42onetinsoldierWhoa.. wmaker and wterm are a wee bit unstable....
06:33.51onetinsoldierenouf: anyway....
06:33.54onetinsoldierdirect rendering: Yes
06:34.00onetinsoldierserver glx vendor string: SGI
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06:35.25onetinsoldierand with that it's time for bed... night all. take care
06:35.38pstickneonetinsoldier:  good luck with AMD/ATI btw ;-)
06:35.40enouf;-)
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06:38.29GhostlyDeathHow can I make my computer stop beeping when I try to backspace in an empty text field?
06:38.50onetinsoldierpstickne: hey..
06:39.03enouf!bell
06:39.04dpkg"xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console .  For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode.  "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions.  See also <shell beep>.  or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module
06:39.14pstickneGhostlyDeath:  I just disable all sound -- it works great ;-)
06:39.35onetinsoldierpstickne: i thought i'd come back in to say thanks, under a stable window manager.. man, wmaker/wterm were just crashing left and right on me
06:39.48GhostlyDeathpstickne: I need sound!
06:39.54pstickneonetinsoldier:  you're welcome :)
06:39.56GhostlyDeathenouf: happens in GNOME apps also!
06:40.10GhostlyDeathwell
06:40.13GhostlyDeaththat worked :)
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06:41.10onetinsoldierpstickne: i might be able to actually check out compiz now :-)
06:42.22FirefisheActually, so do I.  I have absolutely no sound.  Here are my lspci and lsmod pastes:  http://rafb.net/p/kC7bhc95.html   *and*   http://rafb.net/p/EZPM7l85.html
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06:43.06onetinsoldierGhostlyDeath: i would sure like to have sound too. what sound card do you have?
06:43.25GhostlyDeathonetinsoldier: Don't know
06:43.29FirefisheI experienced problems with sound with another distro on this laptop, too.  A weird one.  The laptop's headphone jack wouldn't work correctly.  I had speaker sound, but no jack sound--unless I just plugged in the headphone plug just a little bit.  Then I had sound.
06:43.47FirefisheIf I pushed it in all the way, it had none;.
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06:43.48GhostlyDeath82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
06:43.56onetinsoldierGhostlyDeath: what worked? did you get sound going? i imagine i just having wishful thinking for you there
06:44.00GhostlyDeathCompany: Intel Corporation (Gateway 2000)
06:44.07GhostlyDeathSound works fine
06:44.18onetinsoldiersweet! you lucky devil
06:44.39FirefisheMine's this one: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
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06:44.59Firefishealsaconf doesn't even seem to make it work
06:45.19Firefishealthough I can stream radio in rhythm box
06:45.45onetinsoldieri have a Creative Soundbalster X-Fi card... creative labs recently open-sourced the driver, which is good news! i hope... i hope open-source developers jump on it
06:45.48votyakf-postfixHi! Anybody knows - how can I forvard mail  sended to local (domain) user to outside (internet) mail-box. Local MTA - Postfix. Debian Etch.
06:46.06GhostlyDeathI got a sSound Blaster Live!
06:46.11GhostlyDeathSB sounds awesome
06:46.17GhostlyDeathplaying Doom on 98SE
06:46.32GhostlyDeathThere a way for timidity or something to use that?
06:46.38onetinsoldierGhostlyDeath: roger that... good old doom. heckuva game for it's day
06:46.44GhostlyDeathGoing to install Linux in the future
06:46.51FirefisheI should also note that the headphone jack works perfectly under vista64 home premium.
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06:49.21Firefisheanyone give me an idea as to how I might get that controller to work?  Alsa seems to be working fine.
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06:49.57netaust1nDoes lenny default to python 2.5?
06:50.12onetinsoldierok, i'm freaking out.. what's happened to the 'xpdyinfo' utility? i can't find it, and neither can apt-file it seems
06:50.15pabs3netaust1n: yep
06:50.37pabs3onetinsoldier: packages.debian.org/file:xpdyinfo
06:50.41Firefisheoops...lost track of the time.  need to skedaddle.
06:50.46Firefishenight all...be well
06:51.02aetheria_Firefishe: obvious question, but have you tried running alsamixer(gui) to make sure the levels are up?
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06:51.20netaust1npabs3: thanks; that saves me from apt-get/compilation combination hell surrounding mod-python.
06:51.22pabs3onetinsoldier: you made a typo, it is in x11-utils
06:51.36onetinsoldierpabs3: sorry, i didn't know how to accept.. can you try again?
06:52.02onetinsoldierpabs3: well, i did an   apt-file search xpdyinfo
06:52.18onetinsoldiergot nothing in return... what did i do wrong there?
06:52.19pabs3onetinsoldier: xdpyinfo not xpdyinfo
06:52.37onetinsoldierdoh! thanks.... that's my problem
06:52.48aetheria_Firestarter-: and also try aplay -L and examine output for headphone jack
06:53.02pabs3are there any ADSL routers that can run Debian?
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06:54.18aetheria_pabs3: google for openrouter  there are a few projects that deal with it
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06:54.41onetinsoldierpabs3: what was that that you sent me? i'm not familiar with kvirc... i tried to accept, but ended up closing it
06:55.08pabs3onetinsoldier: just a link to the packages.debian.org website
06:55.23onetinsoldierpabs3: ahh, i see. well, thank you
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06:55.33pabs3netaust1n: you could have done apt-cache show python or looked at http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python
06:55.41pabs3thanks for the hint aetheria_
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06:55.50aghasterHi
06:56.13votyakf-postfixAnybody knows - how can I forvard mail  sended to local (domain) user to outside (internet) mail-box? Local MTA - Postfix. Debian Etch.
06:56.15aetheria_pabs3: e.g. http://www.debianhelp.org/node/13827
06:56.29aghasterI have recently changed my kernel to the newer 2.6.26, and removed my 2.6.25
06:56.35aghasterhowever, things were better with the older one
06:56.40aghasterI have a couple of problems
06:57.03aghasterincluding broken audio, changes seems to have been made on the way the audio modules are loaded
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06:57.14aghasterhow can I revert back to 2.6.25?
06:57.26aghastersynaptic will only propose me 2.6.26 now
06:57.27aghaster:S
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06:57.45liablecheck if you still have it in your cache, or get it from s.d.n
06:58.11aetheria_aghaster: maybe the oss module(s) is getting loaded and preempting the alsa one?  you could blacklist the oss one.
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06:58.55aetheria_alsa modules are preceeded by snd-
06:59.11aghasteryeah, but it is not the only issue, there is a problem with virtualbox (wrong module version) and it will only be fixed for me when the fixed package in sid will move to testing
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06:59.34aghaster2.6.25 really was better
06:59.46aetheria_aghaster: you can use module-assistant to build a new virtualbox module for your kernel
07:00.08aetheria_e.g. m-a prepare; m-a a-i virtualbox-ose   or whatever its named
07:00.12aghasteryeah, I tried it, changed nothing. I google about it, did not really understand what was causing the problem
07:00.21aghasterif it was the modules itself I guess recompiling it would have worked
07:01.02pabs3aetheria_: thanks
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07:02.29onetinsoldiernope.. no dice with compiz.. bombs out saying i don't have everything that, as far as i know, i do have
07:03.16aetheria_compiz is overrated.  you will get bored of the cube after a couple days.  :-)
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07:03.56aghasterone question, I've always been using linux-image-2.6.x-486
07:03.59aghasterwhich was the default
07:04.05aghasterI run a 32 bit version of debian
07:04.12aghasterbut I have an AMD64 3400+ processor
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07:04.35aghasterif I choose linux-image-2.6.x-amd64, would that be a 32 bit kernel optimized for and AMD64 processor?
07:04.42onetinsoldieraetheria_: copy that. i was just curious and wanted to check it out. i don't know if you know, but i just got the ati fglrx 8.11 driver installed today, and then a few minutes ago figured out how to get direct rendering working w00ties!
07:04.51aetheria_then you would need the amd64 port.  there is also i think an amd64 kernel for the i386 distro
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07:05.00onetinsoldiernow i just need sound
07:05.20aghasterok, so it is a 32 bit kernel, that's what I wanted to know
07:05.22aetheria_onetinsoldier: i was just joking.  it is cool.  but, honestly, most of the time i'm working and the effects don't really matter.
07:05.42onetinsoldieraetheria_: roger. works for you eh.. cool
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07:05.52aetheria_!tell onetinsoldier about alsa checklist
07:06.24onetinsoldieraetheria_: it'll come around around to a good working order in lenny sometime...
07:06.27aetheria_onetinsoldier: for the record, it works great with gnome but not with kde
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07:06.48onetinsoldieraetheria_: it's not that simple about sound.. depends on what sound card you have
07:08.03onetinsoldieraetheria_: and, i have read up about the linux drivers for my sound card... a creative labs sb x-fi titanium. i heard that every driver that creative has released... has sucked balls, but...
07:08.16onetinsoldieraetheria_: they recently open-sourced the driver
07:08.37onetinsoldierso.. after some time, hopefully something good will come out of it
07:08.40aetheria_sucked balls - meaning it was good?
07:09.04onetinsoldierno.. sucked, suxz0rs
07:09.13aetheria_like, unbelievable awesome good?
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07:09.15onetinsoldierwas pretty much trash
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07:10.13onetinsoldieraetheria_: but what they open-sourced like 25 days ago was a newer version than what they released last time, which was back in april.. and again, it's now open-sourced. so...
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07:10.25onetinsoldieri'm hoping ...
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07:11.28onetinsoldieraetheria_: lolz.. i just saw what you said...
07:11.37onetinsoldieryou joker you
07:12.16aetheria_hehe
07:12.21Gnurduxso, today i was trying to do stuff with ffmpeg
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07:12.27aetheria_just defending my language
07:12.41Gnurduxand i learn, that for "legal reasons" debian has fscked up ffmpeg
07:12.47Gnurduxand taken out all the good codecs
07:12.56Gnurduxand i had to get them from a repo called debian-multimedia
07:13.08Gnurduxnow why would debian do a stupid, suicidal thing like that?
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07:13.48onetinsoldierGnurdux: well, you said 'legal' reasons
07:13.56aetheria_suck, saugen when saugtier (grmn.: mammal)
07:13.58tralalaGnurdux, because debian has other (arguably more important) considerations than to satisfy you
07:14.03onetinsoldierwhat more reason could there be? hehe
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07:14.07aetheria_s/when/whence/
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07:14.22Gnurduxonetinsoldier, other distros arent being sued for ffmpeg, why would debian be?
07:15.14onetinsoldieri don't know the answer to that... i guess maybe debian wants to be more careful than other distros
07:16.10Gnurduxi know :(
07:16.12ameyerGnurdux: theoretically, some patent troll could come after Debian.
07:16.16Gnurduxdebian is too careful
07:16.51Gnurduxaccording to #ffmpeg, though: <Dark_Shikari> *ALL* encoders and decoders in ffmpeg violate patents / <Dark_Shikari> every single one
07:16.55tralaladebian has a different funding scheme than most (all?) of the distros, i.e. no money for legal battles
07:17.03ameyerin all likelyhood, they'll go after organizations with enough money to actually pay up, though
07:17.09Gnurduxsame is true for all community distros
07:17.31Gnurduxalthough i suppose that debian is probably the biggest purely community distro at the moment
07:17.40ameyerGnurdux: o rly. ogg vorbis?
07:17.48onetinsoldierdebian was the first distro i believe... founded by richard m stallman himself.. so, there's a background there and a reputation to keep up
07:17.48Gnurduxpresumably not the OGG stuff
07:17.56Gnurduxand it was not founded by stallman
07:18.00Gnurduxand it was not the first distro
07:18.01tralalaif they're after money they would, what if they're after Debian?
07:18.05onetinsoldierok. i stand corrected then
07:18.13Gnurduxit was founded by someoen named Ian
07:18.17Gnurduxwith a wife named Deborah
07:18.19Gnurduxthus Debian
07:18.20tralalaonly because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get me
07:18.22ameyerIan Murdoch
07:18.26Gnurduxand i think SLS or something was the first
07:18.26ameyeror is it Murdock
07:18.33liable!stalk tralala
07:18.36onetinsoldierohhh yeah. yup. i remember now.. u're right
07:18.37liablemeh
07:18.39Gnurduxor maybe there was earlier than that eve
07:18.48ameyerand I think it was Ian's girlfriend
07:18.49Gnurduxi know Slackware was based on SLS
07:18.52ameyernow wife
07:18.53Gnurduxand slack is the oldest living distro
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07:19.14ameyerdoes it really matter what's oldest?
07:19.30ameyerlook at Ubuntu, that only goes back to 2004?
07:19.34Gnurduxi'm afraid that now most people would be like "Debian?  Isn't that that crappy version of Ubuntu that doesn't include Firefox?"
07:19.45onetinsoldierwell, was rms ever directly involved with a distro? i certainly can't trust any memory i thought i might have
07:19.45hoxu!start a distro war
07:19.46dpkgsomebody said start a distro war was Debian Rulz
07:19.46liableheh
07:19.49GnurduxOf course, those people would be idiots, but thats ok
07:19.59onetinsoldier!rms
07:19.59dpkg[rms] a hacker name of Richard Stallman, founder of Free Software Foundation (fsf), (co)author of the GNU General Public licence(s), and GNU philosophy in general.
07:20.03hoxu!ubuntu
07:20.04dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
07:20.13hoxubah, forgot the factoid
07:20.20onetinsoldier!red hat
07:20.20dpkgi heard red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge
07:20.21Gnurduxonetinsoldier, i dont think so, i think that he has always been pro GNU/Hurd for one thing.  But i think FSF funds debian to some extent
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07:20.22ameyeronetinsoldier: GNuisance?
07:20.25tralalaso what? Most of the debian users don't feel the need to participate in distro populatiry contest
07:20.33ameyererm, GNewSense
07:20.45Gnurduxthe FSF approves it
07:20.51Gnurduxas one of the few "purely free" distros
07:20.56Gnurduxbut i dont think they are "involved"
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07:21.21ameyerRMS thinks that Debian isn't free enough o_O
07:21.22Gnurduxis ubuntu really still based on debian?
07:21.32onetinsoldieryes
07:21.35ameyerbecause it has a non-free repo, apparently
07:21.37onetinsoldier!slackware
07:21.37dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg
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07:21.41Gnurduxit steelz a lot of debian packages, but its totally different
07:21.58Gnurduxand unfortunately (in my opinion) largely better
07:22.00ameyerGnurdux: they sync with sid during the development process, IIRC
07:22.05Gnurduxthey used to
07:22.06tralalaI think RMS likes to be in a group of his own. Whenever this group grows too big he changes the rules.
07:22.10Gnurduxi dont think they do anymore
07:22.17Gnurduxtralala, thats prolly true
07:22.18tralalaor the interpretations
07:22.20GnurduxRMS is a nutcase
07:22.31onetinsoldieri hear it's not as table tho.. and sirected more at newbies, but then, i don't really know
07:22.43Gnurduxdebian is bizarrely stable
07:22.47Gnurduxat least debian stable is
07:22.52Gnurduxand ubuntu IS directed more at newbies
07:22.54aetheria_!tell Gnurdux about debian multimedia
07:22.56onetinsoldieri cut my teeth on red hat 5.1, 5.2 and 6.0
07:23.08Gnurduxaetheria_, that was actually the solution to my ffmpeg problem :D
07:23.25onetinsoldierbeen debian ever since.. but haven't used linux for the last three years, until just recently
07:23.40tralalame too! it was 6.0 that made my laptop feel it's running windows and then it was time to get back to linux
07:23.52Gnurduxi probably wouldnt install Debian or Ubuntu anymore
07:24.04Gnurduxi might install Gentoo or somesuch
07:24.06onetinsoldiertralala: copy that.. 5.2 was the best they ever made imo
07:24.06aetheria_debian is the best OS in the world
07:24.09Gnurduxwhen i get a new computer
07:24.15Gnurduxdebian is too conservative
07:24.18Gnurduxin almost every sense
07:24.29Gnurduxnot like politically conservative
07:24.30tralalawhich is *good*
07:24.42aetheria_Gnurdux: wait till you're a sysadmin at a bank responsible for a cluster
07:24.43Gnurduxits good if you need stability and safety
07:24.54Gnurduxthen debian would be a very very good choice
07:24.56aetheria_when the SAS70 and PCI audit requirements come in
07:24.58Gnurduxbut i dont
07:25.10tralalaEven with debian's release schedule (don't laugh) I feel I'm upgrading my software a bit too often for my taste
07:25.19Gnurduxlol
07:25.27Gnurduxdebian releases like less often than windows....
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07:25.35aetheria_anyhow, i've got to get out.  can't geek-out here all night!
07:25.36Gnurduxi run debian testing and sometimes it feels too ol
07:25.37Gnurduxd
07:25.53onetinsoldieri have got! to go to bed.. good night all, take care
07:25.55Gnurduxlike when Gnome takes 3 months to get into Unstable from Experimental :P
07:26.00aetheria_take care
07:26.17onetinsoldierty aetheria_, see you around soon
07:26.18Gnurduxtalking about that i havent upgraded in a while
07:26.23GnurduxNeed to get 1396MB of archives.
07:26.24aetheria_cya
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07:26.54tralalaGnurdux, you can always compile stuff yourself and even build .debs
07:27.04Gnurduxyeah i know
07:27.16tralalalike you would do if you'd use say... gentoo!
07:27.25Gnurduxyeah
07:27.31Gnurduxgentoo simplifies the process a bit
07:27.32tralala!spank liable
07:27.33dpkgbends liable over his knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK*
07:27.38Gnurduxi dunno if its actually worth doing though
07:27.39Gnurduxgentoo i mean
07:27.45tralalaliable, ha, got you by surprise!
07:27.49Gnurduxthe gains from the compilation are probably marginal
07:27.53liableheh
07:28.06Gnurduxand it probably consumes a lot of power
07:28.10liable!ignore tralala
07:28.11dpkgsticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, tralala"
07:28.12tralala!gentoosmack Gnurdux
07:28.15AggroGnurdux: I don't like the idea of compiling all the time.
07:28.18Gnurduxadmittedly my parents pay the energy bill
07:28.48AggroGnurdux: I also like the not need to configure everything. That is why I use Ubuntu.
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07:29.20Gnurduxgeh'
07:29.21AggroBut I support Debian as I see it like an upstream
07:29.23Gnurduxubuntu is fine
07:29.47Gnurduxpart of why im prejudiced against it is that its commercial
07:29.54Gnurduxeven if it is 100% open source
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07:31.16AggroGnurdux: So what do you really want?
07:31.29Gnurduxi dunno i might use Arch Linux next fresh install
07:31.50AggroGnurdux: Perhaps you need experiences
07:31.56tralalaso regarding the benefits of gentoo:
07:32.01tralala!gentoosmite Gnurdux
07:32.01dpkgspends 6 days recompiling Gnurdux, and when it's all done, Gnurdux runs 4% slower than previously
07:32.08Gnurduxlol
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07:46.49liable!qotd0
07:46.49dpkgsomebody said qotd167 was <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686.  I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel
07:47.02liablehehe
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07:51.29jusama14Hey
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07:53.10jusama14I'm trying to do apt-get install gcc but I keep getting this error: http://paste2.org/p/108023
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07:53.59jusama14oh nvm
07:54.02liablejusama14: apt-get install gcc
07:54.14liableyou should install build-essential anyway
07:54.53jusama14oh
07:55.14jusama14Thanks
07:55.28the_lalelumoep!
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07:57.59jusama14having a bit of trouble installing java
07:58.13jusama14http://paste2.org/p/108025
07:58.15liable!install java
07:58.15dpkgFree java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine".  If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free.  For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives>
07:59.33jusama14JDK to be exact
07:59.40jusama14on a remote server
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08:00.21jusama14I'm following this guide
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08:00.47jusama14Once I do: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-6u10-linux-i586.bin
08:00.56jusama14I get this output - http://paste2.org/p/108025
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08:15.46ldvxhello, i installed manually the fglrx lastest drivers following the cchtml wiki and everything installed fine, but when i do "modprobe fglrx" i get fatal: error inserting fglrx(/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/misc/fglrx.ko): unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg). Any ideas on how i could fix this? haven't found anything on the net
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08:21.12liabletry running depmod -ae
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08:23.30assignmehey guys, i have a bad feeling i set up exim wrong
08:23.39assignmefor one is, i didnt set any mx records
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08:23.56ldvxliable: depmod -ae doesn't show anything
08:24.15liablethats right, try loading the module again
08:24.57ldvxI get the same error :/
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08:25.17liabledid you compile it, or was it precompiled?
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08:27.32ldvxI compiled it with module-assistant and everything went well. When i do a dmesg |grep fglrx i get fglrx: unknown symbol flush_tlb_page, other people seems to get this error too but i haven't find any solutions on the forums where they speak about this problem
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08:32.16liabletry a reboot
08:32.34liabledid you have an older version installed previously?
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08:34.59chordoggi'm having a rather annoying problem. when i try to go to www.facebook.com, in either iceweasel or epiphany, the browser hangs for about 30 seconds, and then finally goes to the site...then i can surf the site normally for about 30 seconds, until it hangs again....anyone ever have any similar experiences?
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08:36.39jusama14Testing extracted archive.../usr/share/java-package/common.sh: line 21: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory
08:36.39jusama14./usr/share/java-package/common.sh: line 104: [: : integer expression expected
08:36.39jusama14<PROTECTED>
08:36.39jusama14du: fts_read failed: No such file or directory
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08:37.16ldvxliable: Tried rebooting and i still get the same error, and before this one i had an older version of kernel and fglrx drivers on ubuntu that worked, but haven't been able to install it on debian. I found this: www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30141
08:37.34chordoggmy problem doesnt exist in vista, facebook loads normally...i wonder what the hiccup is with debian
08:38.06liableldvx: try #ati
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08:42.17chordoggi suspect my problem lies within avahi, does that make sense
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08:55.21dooglusliable: hmmmm
08:55.49liableeh?
08:56.58dooglusevery month or so someone pulls up my linux-image == image processing joke, my IRC client highlights it, I scroll back to see who's been talking to me, and it's that line every time :)
08:57.10liableoh, heh
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08:59.59tralaladooglus, I've just looked up your qotds and I have to admit they're good :)
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09:00.33liable!listvals dooglus
09:00.35dpkgFactoid search of 'dooglus' by value (2): qotd167 ;; qotd221.
09:00.42liable!qotd221
09:00.42dpkg<themill> dooglus: are you in the plugdev group?  <dooglus> themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you.
09:01.06liableheh
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09:01.18tralala;)
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09:29.43Debianixhi, am using debian lenny for the moment and each time i plug in my usb drive, i get an icon on the desktop, but it is not actually mounted  in /media
09:29.50Debianixdoes anyone know why ?
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09:36.53SparFuxI read about etckeeper, but the question rises wether I really need  a mechanism to trak ALL the /etc and ignore just some selected files. What I need is only track my own files.
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09:39.15xozDebianix: where is it mounted?
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09:39.45Debianixwell when i check the properties of the icon on my desktop it says ://media
09:39.56Debianixbut when i go to /media it is not there
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09:40.23Debianixbut i can access it fine from desktop
09:40.52Juozapashi how to install java on debian lenny rc1? there isn't java-packages on apt-get
09:43.16craigevilJuozapas:  enable non-free in your sources.list then do apt-get update apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
09:43.33xozDebianix: use  mount command in the console to see where it is mounted
09:44.18Debianixi did
09:44.26Debianixits not in the fstan neither
09:44.31Debianixfstab sorry
09:45.54Debianixonly have probususb on /proc/bus/usb/usb type usbfs
09:46.10SparFuxCan I use git to put some special changes of one commit into a file?
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09:47.06trumpenhow could I sync only one mounted device? I am looking for something like ``sync /dev/loop0'' (currently I am umounting & mounting again that device)
09:48.41Juozapascraigevil: ok, thx. It works on iceweasel but if i want run it on firefox ?
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09:49.37craigevilyou would have to copy/link the plugins to the aprropriate firefox directory
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09:51.54Juozapasbut what different between firefox and iceweasel ? maybe i am wrong but for me firefox looks a little bit faster with flash etc.
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09:53.35xozDebianix: install usbview
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09:53.56Debianixheh, just founf out, each time i click on the icon on desktop
09:54.02petemcJuozapas: same codebase, so mostly cosmetic differences, aiui
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09:54.06Debianixthen it mounts in the /media :S
09:54.16xozDebianix: probably you have usbmount
09:54.40xozDebianix: usually the mount points are in /media/usb[0-7]
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09:55.12Debianixwell the mount point i have now is /media/59083
09:55.25Debianixand on destop it is Lacie drive
09:56.14Debianixmount point on the properties of  the icon suggest it is using hal something like org/freedesktop/uuid_897984759
09:56.28xozDebianix: are you using gnome?
09:56.42Debianixno e17
09:56.49Debianixworks fine on gnome
09:58.15Debianix/dev/sde1 on /media/6853-5BA9 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,uid=1000)
09:58.25Debianixthis is the line i get in my fstab now
09:58.28xozhates these auto things. they hide the complexity as well as proper understanding of what's going on.
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10:00.01Juozapasok, thx all
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10:03.03pythonicon lenny
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10:13.08Nirkusliable: cant find the package containing it?
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10:14.29liableNirkus: coreutils, should already be installed
10:14.49liable!find base64 etch
10:15.11NeaaiAfter debootstraping into a directory, when I do umount /mnt  (where I have mounted the filesystem to be installed) i get   umount: /mnt: device is busy.  It is not my current dir. How can I find out what's keeping it busy ?
10:15.31dpkgDebian Search of 'base64' (7 of 67): (/usr/lib/exmh/base64.tcl) in mail/exmh ;; (/usr/include/base64.h) in devel/heimdal-dev ;; (/usr/bin/base64tool) in graphics/mkvtoolnix ;; (/usr/include/nss/base64.h) in libdevel/libnss3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/puppet/base64.rb) in admin/puppet ;; (/usr/include/wbxml_base64.h) in devel/libwbxml2-dev ;; (/usr/include/http_base64.h) in oldlibs/libghttp-dev.
10:15.31liablefuser or lsof
10:15.39Nirkusliable: # dpkg -L coreutils | grep base64
10:15.39Nirkusmardah:/etc/ldap# echo $?
10:15.40Nirkus1
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10:16.59liablehmm, maybe it isnt in etch. its in lenny and sid though
10:17.09Nirkusgna :-/
10:19.26SparFuxsudo sh -c 'grep -ri -l Simon /etc/* | xargs -I '{}' cp -ai --parents '{}' /tmp/etc' # copy all file containing String 'Simon' to a mirror directory in /tmp.
10:20.04SparFuxThis way I can copy all the files I altered in /etc.
10:20.24SparFuxI just have to put a special string into every file's comments.
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10:21.01SparFuxNow I don't want to copy this to the original file name, but to filename.Simon
10:21.43SparFuxAnybody knows how I could do this?
10:21.55petemctmp doesnt seem like a very good place to put them
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10:22.52petemcbut i would pipe the results of the grep to | while read ; do cp "/tmp/etc/$REPLY.Simon" ; done
10:24.04SparFuxpetemc: /tmp is just for testin.g
10:24.22SparFuxI am trying to create one simple command to move over all my /etc changes to a newly installed system.
10:24.31petemc| while read ; do cp "$REPLY" "/tmp/etc/$REPLY.Simon" ; done  , even
10:24.39pythonicNeaai: tried lsof?
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10:24.59SparFuxAnd this I would like to do my having comments with my name in all files relevant and then having them copied to the new system in "/tmp" for testing but rename them to file.Myname
10:25.18Neaaipythonic: Yes. Nothing is showing up. Also fuser. So am looking closely ath those again.
10:25.35Neaaipythonic: I don't remember having anything left open for that to happen though.
10:25.55pythonicNeaai: is /proc mounted?
10:26.06joeytwiddlei wanted to debootstrap sarge but it's not on ftp.uk.debian.org - anywhere i might be able to get it from?
10:26.07SparFuxAnd then this would finally be the best way to manage my /etc. I need to know all things I have changed. Then I can freshly install and just copy over all the files with .Myname suffix, then poke through /etc and diff the .Myname files to the original ones. Like adding .Myname files to the existing .dpkg-dist mechanism.
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10:27.29SparFuxpetemc: your command won';t  work. Remember there are many subdirectories in /etc.
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10:28.01Neaaipythonic: yes. Actually I mounted the file (via loopback, the filesystem is an image file to be used with xen) then debootstrap. Then I chrooted, mounted /proce there and installed some packages via apt-get. Now I exited chroot and wanted to umount. And it won't.
10:28.16pythonicso umount /proc first?
10:28.28Neaai(/proc not /proce)
10:28.39petemcSparFux: you could just use rsync
10:28.50SparFuxpetemc: can it do it?
10:28.56SparFuxhey, good idea!
10:29.22SparFuxBut can it do the .suffix stuff?
10:29.33Neaaipythonic: When I do "umount /proc" I see twice the message:   umount: /proc: device is busy
10:29.50SparFuxIt should not backupt the existing files to file.suffix, but the files being copied!
10:29.56pythonicNeaai: you're umount'ing the /proc inside the chroot?
10:30.20Neaaipythonic: no. I do that after I exited chroot.
10:30.31pythonic:-/
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10:31.12SparFuxpetemc: I think rsync can't do the job.
10:31.31petemcSparFux: you'll probably find that whatever it you're trying to do, someone has already thought of a better way to do it
10:31.36petemc+is
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10:31.44Neaaipythonic: ok. I just chrooted again at /mnt and did "umount /proc". It was successful to umount this /proc
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10:32.22SparFuxpetemc: which better way do you mean?
10:32.44SparFuxpetemc: Ah, I get it :-) Yes, that's why I am asking myself wether the job is possible with standard tools.
10:32.50petemcSparFux: im not 100% sure what it is you're trying to achieve, so i dont know
10:32.51Neaaipythonic: Just exited chroot and did umount /mnt. It's fine now. So I needed to umount /proc within chroot first.
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10:33.56SparFuxpetemc: for every file with the string "Myname" in it I want to copy it from /etc/subdirs/filename to /mnt/newsystem/etc/subdirs/filename.Myname
10:34.17petemcwhy?
10:34.31SparFuxpetemc: to move over my own configuration to a newly installed system.
10:34.37SparFux:-)
10:34.57petemcwhy not just use 'normal' methods? why the files with the suffix?
10:36.49SparFuxI don't want to blindly copy over my new files, I want to diff everything beforehand.
10:37.17SparFuxBut perhaps it's ok to have the original file moved to a copy and then have my own modified file installed at first. I can just use --backup
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10:42.06maurizioIs there a reliable way to check that a samba share is mounted and actually accessible? grep -q share /etc/mtab && echo available returns 'available' even if the network is down but the share was mounted before...
10:42.40SparFuxYeah, got it!
10:43.01SparFuxsudo sh -c 'grep -ri -l Simon /etc/* | xargs -I '{}' cp -a --parents --backup=simple --suffix=.Simon '{}' /tmp/'
10:43.03pickcodermaurizio: ls -l <share mount> ?
10:46.40mauriziopickcoder: pickcoder it seems that ls -l /media/share returns the same thing wether the share is empty or unmounted. Did I miss something?
10:46.45SparFuxAs  a  special case, cp makes a backup of SOURCE when the force and backup options are given and SOURCE and DEST are the same name for an existing, regular file.
10:47.04SparFuxSo my solution is: sudo sh -c 'grep -ri -l Simon /etc/* | xargs -I '{}' cp -a --parents --force --backup=simple --suffix=.Simon '{}' /tmp/'
10:47.21pickcodermaurizio: well if it's truely mounted then the share's active. no?
10:48.29pickcoderif it's not in mtab then the share point would be empty
10:48.38pickcoderprovided there are no files present in the root fs
10:49.15mauriziopickcoder: yes, indeed if the share is mounted but empty, ls -l returns Total 0, as if the share was not mounted...
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10:49.47pickcoderthe only other situation I've run into is when a Windows share is mounted and the remote stops or the network goes down
10:49.50pickcoderthen the ls will hang
10:50.00pickcodermtab shows it mounted
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10:50.39mauriziopickcoder: ok, I understand. You suggest first checking the mount status in mtab and then ls to check that it is indeed working, right?
10:51.00pickcoderthat's how I normally check it
10:51.07pickcodermount then ls /mountpoint
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10:51.37pickcoderwe have a w2K3 server that likes to BSOD daily
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10:51.57pickcoderI ended up setting up samba remount cron to fix the local issue
10:52.15mauriziopickcoder: Thanks. Now I need to have that check done in a crontab, therefore the 'ls hangs' is not very practical. It would need to time out.
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10:52.42szonekhi
10:52.50szoneki have a problem with iSCSI
10:52.51szonekNov 28 11:49:42 kogut4 kernel: scsi3 : iSCSI Initiator over TCP/IP
10:52.52szonekNov 28 11:49:43 kogut4 iscsid: could not verify connection 1:3
10:52.55mauriziopickcoder: ours is a nslu2 with the original firmware... It also hangs frequently...
10:53.29szoneki can discover iscsi device but i can't login on it
10:54.32pickcodermaurizio: a simple open dir perl script would work
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10:55.18pickcoderyou could do it in bash but I'm not guru enough in bash to write it
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10:55.58mauriziopickcoder: I'm totally ignorant about perl :). Thanks anyway.
10:56.14pickcoderthere's only a few thousand examples on the web
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10:59.52ultrav1oletHow can I install Bind 9 on Debian 4.0?
11:00.14petemcaptitude install bind9
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11:10.44ultrav1oletthanks
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11:11.23SparFuxpetemc: I can even have a shortcup in .exrc and have the M key put me some comment in a file! That's great!
11:11.57SparFuxPretty cool /etc management
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11:15.37SparFuxOh my god now I have to poke through all the /etc files and tag them if I modified them. :-)
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11:16.30SparFuxmap n :n ;-)
11:16.33rc55Hi, I need to add another mimetype to my lighttpd config as .m4a audio files are being sent as text files to some hosts, but I think that lighttpd under ubuntu doesn't use /etc/mime.types - can anyone help please?
11:17.24SparFuxThis suggests a nice find command line.
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11:22.16rc55SparFux: Care to help?
11:22.44SparFuxI don't use ubuntu.
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11:23.33SparFuxMy lighttpd conf does not mention any mime.types file.
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11:23.43SparFuxI thought perhaps that was missing with your installation.
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11:24.08arckaneanime.net
11:24.11SparFuxThis should find every normal file in /etc and call vi with it, right? :: sudo find etc -type f -exec vi '{}' +
11:24.12arckanewhoops
11:24.14arckanesorry
11:24.47tralalaSparFux, that's scarry.
11:25.08tralalaperhpas you'd want to invoke vi only once with all the files you need
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11:25.32SparFuxtralala: I need all file from /etc, so I can check wether I added some stuff to them.
11:25.35tralalawhich arguably won't be everything in /etc
11:25.40SparFuxtralala: if so I will tag them.
11:25.56SparFuxtralala: but I don't know the file names of the files I modified. :-(
11:25.58tralalaSparFux, that's what grep is doing
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11:26.33SparFuxtralala: yes, but I don't think I know what to grep. I want to put my name in every file I modified and now I want to make sure I did that before erasing all the other files.
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11:27.20tralalaSparFux, and how is vi going to tell you that you've modified the file?
11:27.25SparFuxtralala: but it is 2103 files! :-(
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11:27.31ultrav1oletquick question - what's the best way to change TZ in debian?
11:27.41tralala!tz
11:27.42dpkgsomebody said tz was defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem
11:27.47SparFuxtralala: you are right. That's a stupid idea.
11:27.51SparFuxtoo much work!
11:28.00tralala!tzconfig
11:28.00dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set.  The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers.  You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
11:28.38ultrav1oletI see UTC= setting, but how can I change the TZ?
11:28.54ultrav1oletI've set it to no, but I'm not in GMT TZ ;-)
11:28.59tralalaultrav1olet, the answer is right above your question
11:29.07ultrav1oletthanks ;-)
11:29.45ultrav1olettralala: you could just say tzconfig ;-)
11:30.22tralalanot nearly as informative and not covering all the cases
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11:39.59Dantixhi all, I'm looking at TOP very high percents in iowait parameter, how can I identify which process is taken it?
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11:47.39K_DallasHi guys! I just finished burning the testing DVD under windows and the setup is telling me that my hardware is capable of running the 64bit version (even though the CPU is 32bit). Does it mean that I have to use the amd64 version even if my cpu is an intel core2 duo centrino or that is just a glitch? Thanks
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11:48.21critenuhh
11:48.26critenyour cpu is 64bit
11:48.29critenbut no, run the x86
11:48.42critenamd64 disc won't boot on your system :)
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11:49.01maligorcriten, why wouldn't it boot?
11:49.11K_Dallascriten, i see. I didn't know about the cpu but i am going to stick to the i386 disk, thanks
11:49.14critenwho knows
11:49.23maligorhuh?
11:49.25critenbut last I put an amd64 disc in an intel... it didn't boot
11:49.33maligorK_Dallas, you can use either
11:50.00K_Dallasmaligor, would i profit from amd64 or it wouldnt make any difference
11:50.01maligoramd64 has some speed advantages in some things
11:50.17maligorin typical use you won't notice any difference
11:50.35K_DallasI see. ok so I guess i wouldnt bother downloading another 4gb of data
11:50.38Dantixhi all, I'm looking at TOP very high percents in iowait parameter, how can I identify which process is taken it?
11:50.58maligorK_Dallas, heh, I always use the netinstalls
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11:51.47maligorcriten, anyway, I'm running debian amd64 on intel core2
11:51.56K_Dallasmaligor, that is good but if you mess up things once or twice during the installation, it is better to have the whole thing in hand than redownloading things ;)
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11:52.16petemc!tell criten about amd64
11:52.32K_Dallasmaligor, does the netinstall disk differs for different architectures?
11:52.59farhad_hfhow can I find the list of installed dbus packages?
11:53.16maligorK_Dallas, it's architecture specific
11:53.23petemcdpkg -l | grep dbus
11:53.24dpkgii  | grep dbus                 2.4-1           petemc's private porn collection
11:53.38K_Dallasmaligor, ok maybe i give the amd64 one a try. thanks
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11:54.11maligorK_Dallas, the only issue in the past was crappy flash support but adobe has now made a beta version of that
11:54.12farhad_hfthanks
11:54.27tralalaK_Dallas, amd64 helps a lot for things like video encoding and generally processing lots of data fast
11:54.28maligorK_Dallas, and another would be the java webplugin
11:57.17K_Dallastralala, maligor you are making me to become serious about amd64 ;) only if  knew it last night :):):)
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11:58.11K_Dallasso if I may ask, why isn't there a i686 optimized version out there?
11:58.58tralalabecause there's no gain
11:59.21K_Dallastralala, ok
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12:06.16ultrav1oletman is definitely broken in the latest stable Debian - is there a workaround? My locale is en_US.UTF-8
12:06.39ultrav1oletwhere I should see formatting I see command characters
12:07.16bolt-workultrav1olet: use a terminal that has support for utf-8 and man wont be "broken" :P
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12:07.55ultrav1oletbolt-work: right now I'm working with tens of RH/Fedora servers all set to UTF-8 and I have zero problems with them
12:08.14efaistosjust made a new instalaltion of lenny but not with the last installer and got lilo instead of grub ...
12:08.17bolt-workultrav1olet: good for you
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12:08.28efaistosis that the case with the new installer ?
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12:08.42bolt-workultrav1olet: you need to use a terminal that supports utf-8 to see the utf-8 characters. that's just how it is.
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12:08.52ultrav1oletbolt-work: so your remark isn't completely true
12:09.00bolt-workultrav1olet: ..because?
12:09.04azrael_valedhelhello - a quick question - how would I restart network interface in one command?
12:09.05ultrav1oletbolt-work: my terminal is 100% UTF-8 compatible
12:09.25ultrav1oletbecause " <ultrav1olet> bolt-work: right now I'm working with tens of RH/Fedora servers all set to UTF-8 and I have zero problems with them"
12:09.25azrael_valedhelifdown && ifup?
12:09.44ham5<PROTECTED>
12:09.46bolt-workultrav1olet: what do those have to do with anything?
12:10.10azrael_valedhelokay, lets try it, thanks ham5  ;)
12:10.19K_DallasQ: is the netinstall available for USB sticks?
12:10.40bolt-workA: you can at least put it on one. giyf
12:11.22ultrav1oletyou have repeated twice that I should have a UTF-8 compatible terminal - I do have it but you still insist my terminal is not UTF-8 compatible. No logic whatsoever
12:11.30asgK_Dallas: /msg dpkg ig
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12:11.55K_Dallasthanks asg
12:11.58ultrav1oletno help and no logic
12:12.01bolt-workultrav1olet: do programs like aptitude look pretty in your terminal?
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12:15.19joeytwiddleapache refuses to start in my chroot, because the chroot has a different hostname than the parent system.  any idea how to fix that?
12:15.43bolt-workjoeytwiddle: what is the exact message you get?
12:16.02xozjoeytwiddle: apache configuration
12:16.40joeytwiddleahh sorry it was yesterday, i won't get the error again for an hour
12:16.47joeytwiddlewill get back to you ;)
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12:17.28bolt-workultrav1olet: well?
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12:18.19bolt-workjoeytwiddle: logs, perhaps?
12:18.24bolt-workjoeytwiddle: why an hour?
12:18.53joeytwiddledoing a complete re-install, just rm -rfed the old one
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12:19.20bolt-workwindows solution :P
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12:20.53joeytwiddlei wouldn't be doing this if there was an apt-get undo ;)
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12:21.21nick_fnI wondered if anyone knew of a neat way for a script to tell a PDF viewer to reload the document (but stay on that page, etc.) ?
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12:21.30nick_fnI'd like to add it to the end of my Makefile :-)
12:22.20joeytwiddlesome viewers have an option to reload the file if it changes
12:22.27joeytwiddlewell, the one i know was a ps-viewer =/
12:22.47nick_fnjoeytwiddle: gv does, but at the moment it tries to reload _while_ the new pdf is being written :-)
12:22.55nick_fnI guess I could get the Makefile to do a 'mv' at the very end...
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12:24.00joeytwiddlethat seems like a good solution
12:24.12joeytwiddleyeah i remember it used to do that to me too
12:25.32nick_fnnow I can run the Makefile in a loop I guess, to pick up my edits ASAP :-)
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12:26.42bolt-workultrav1olet: logic
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12:32.21ultrav1oletbolt-work: yes, all other applications look just fine
12:32.59ultrav1olethowever I had to set UTF-8 IO in elinks in order to get a nice output
12:33.28ultrav1oletit's looks like a part of debian still speaks ASCII/ISO 8859-1
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12:35.54julianhi can somebody help me to configure spamassassin correctly. i installed it and spamc and razor but it just dont scan my mails. i use qmail btw
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12:37.11efaistoshmmm ... where is grub getting the config since i dont have any menu.lst ?
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12:37.59petemchow did it come to be that you have no menu.lst?
12:38.21blackpitefaistos: /boot/grub/menu.lst
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12:38.43efaistosyeah i know ...
12:38.47petemcjulian: generally you configure the mta to pass the mails through spamd or spamc for per user, but i dont know about qmail as i, like most people, stopped using it years ago
12:39.00efaistosbut dont have it and it still booted and I had a menu etc ..
12:39.05mhymn_efaistos: locate menu.lst ?
12:39.11xoznick_fn: there is a latexmk package if you are using latex that works like a makefile
12:39.12julianpetemc i have to use qmail because i wanna use plesk
12:39.41nick_fnxoz: I did used to use that. I don't for my beamer projects. I'm not sure why :-)
12:39.52julianpetemc: and i had to change the qmail-queue file that it sends the mail to spamassassin but i dont know it seems it doesnt do it
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12:40.23xoznick_fn: gv has an option to watch file.
12:40.27efaistosmhymn_: petemc blackpit dont have it anywhere on the system ?!
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12:40.33efaistosWTF ?!
12:40.55efaistosthe correct package is grub2 ?
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12:41.02nick_fnxoz: I use gv now; the problem was that it was reloading during the pdf being written out (which takes a few seconds) so it wasn't complete yet. I now do a cp and mv at the end of the build, to make the new file appear atomically
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12:41.57mhymn_efaistos: i don't know about grub2, or you may try #grub
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12:43.02efaistosUpdating /boot/grub/grub.cfg ...
12:43.09efaistosWTF?!
12:43.13efaistoswhat's that ?
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12:44.28julianhow can i check if spamassassin works correctly? without using qmail or the mail server?
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12:45.10xoznick_fn: are you using latex to generate pdf?
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12:45.58nick_fnxoz: pdflatex, yes
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12:46.14nick_fnefaistos: what is what?
12:46.48efaistos/boot/grub/grub.cfg ? is it not supposed to upgrade menu.lst ?
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12:46.57nick_fnefaistos: grub.cfg is the new name for menu.lst
12:47.07xoznick_fn: then install latexmk package. have you tried it?
12:47.11nick_fnI'm not sure if/when Debian catches up though
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12:47.19nick_fnxoz: yes, I used to use it
12:47.38efaistosnick_fn: since when ?
12:48.04dustybini have a log.txt file and i would like to send that to a pastebin
12:48.06nick_fnefaistos: no idea. I only found out last few weeks when I was _really_ confused why my changes to menu.lst were being ignored (RHEL5 server)
12:48.09dustybinhow could one do that?
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12:48.38dustybinis there a way to pipe a log.txt file into http://paste.debian.net/  ?
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12:49.11nick_fnI guess you could try be really clever with curl or something, but probably just copy and paste it there yourself?
12:49.12mhymn_efaistos: since grub2 i think
12:49.41efaistosyeah apparently menu.lst is not used anymore
12:50.04nick_fnefaistos: many RHEL systems have a symlink to help out
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12:51.35mhymn_dustybin: if you're using lenny there is 'pastebinit' there iirc
12:51.54mhymn_!tell dustybin -about pastebin pipe
12:52.02mhymn_or this one ^^^
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12:52.43mhymn_dustybin: although not in paste.debian.net
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12:53.43viniliosmy vps server raises iowait ('wa' in top) load every time i start mysql, could someone help me out
12:53.43dustybinaye thanks
12:54.05SparFuxWow pastebin piipe indeed is cool :-)
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12:56.25SparFuxAnd it works! http://rafb.net/p/OPnKNr85.html
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12:56.39attonbitusiraHello
12:57.00SparFuxHi.
12:57.16attonbitusiraLooking to confirm/deny suspicion of security breach.
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13:01.35attonbitusiraI am on Debian 4.0 r3 2.6.18-6 kernel. I set up an rsync overnight, went home, came back to work to find rsync terminal window closed. Secondary terminal window was also closed. Checked history, and saw input of several commands. Appearance of non-linux user trying to install tightvncserver. "install tightvncserver" "sudo install tightvncserver" "sudo package tightvnc server". Checked logs, there is indication of root login 20 mins after I
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13:04.11attonbitusiraIs there a way to check which IP address the root login originated?
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13:04.31SystemFAILUREattonbitusira:: /var/log/wtmp
13:04.36SystemFAILUREattonbitusira:: you need a special reader for that file
13:04.41SystemFAILUREattonbitusira:: i don't remember the tool name
13:04.43SystemFAILUREattonbitusira:: search
13:05.32asgwho, last
13:06.40attonbitusiraboom. thanks asg
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13:07.29TheBlasphemerIs there any command to remove files from a directory that already exist in another directory (e.g. remove from a custom library path what is already in /usr/share/lib/)
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13:08.02SystemFAILURETheBlasphemer:: wtf you mean ?
13:08.18SystemFAILURETheBlasphemer:: what do you want to do ?
13:08.53asgTheBlasphemer: for i in $(get list of file names somehow) ; do rm /usr/share/lib/$i ; done <---- note, however, that removing anything from /usr/share/lib will break your system since that directory is managed by dpkg / apt
13:09.13TheBlasphemerSystemFAILURE: I have a game named wormux, and it comes with a directory of it's own libraries. Now I want to remove from that directory what is already in my own library path
13:09.21TheBlasphemerasg: Errr, I wanted to do it the other way round ;)
13:09.46asgTheBlasphemer: then just switch
13:10.17TheBlasphemerYeah, working on that, trying to mutilate the find command into giving me relative instead of absolute filenames though
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13:11.11xozTheBlasphemer: use dirdiff?
13:11.33SparFuxThere is an important thing when reinstalling your debian system!! You shoudl always install base system and THEN put your /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} in place! Otherweise user ids and group ids get mixed up!
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13:13.09attonbitusiraWould someone mind if I PM you my "last -ai"
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13:15.09petemcattonbitusira: put it on a pastebin site
13:15.12asgattonbitusira: just put it in a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin)
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13:19.19attonbitusirahttp://paste.debian.net/22440/
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13:20.26attonbitusiraI left the office at 5:30pm, Also, from 5:30pm to 6:00 there were commands attempting to install tightvncserver
13:20.35natsukaothe card does not work
13:21.10ComradeHazHi all. I've just tried to do an aptitude upgrade on my machine at home, but wireless dropped out on me and now I get "Could not get lock /var/lock/aptitude" inevitably. I've tried googling, but I'm not finding much, can anyone remind me how I sort this please?
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13:21.31natsukaothe card is a siemens gigaset pc card 108 ar5212/5213 chipset atheros
13:21.41runa__hi how can i find which is my audio device in /dev?
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13:22.37Orion_X11how do I share my desktop printer with my notebook? I am using debian in both. Please do not say: "google it"
13:22.55ComradeHazcups
13:22.59ComradeHaz:)
13:23.11stoneddouble d cups
13:23.14stonedahemn
13:23.24ComradeHazWhere?!
13:23.26ComradeHaz:D
13:23.29Orion_X11ComradeHaz: I know but how do I configure it?
13:23.48ComradeHazah. Now that's a different issue :D
13:23.58ComradeHazI've only done it once
13:24.25ComradeHazonly thing I remember is it was pretty trivial once I'd got the web interface working
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13:24.29asgComradeHaz: if aptitude is not running, just remove the lock file and try again
13:24.39ComradeHazI tried that
13:24.50ComradeHazthat's one of the things I found on google
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13:25.18ComradeHaztom@Apollo:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
13:25.18ComradeHaztom@Apollo:~$ aptfupg
13:25.18ComradeHazE: Could not get lock /var/lock/aptitude - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
13:25.26Orion_X11Network is working here. I can ping the desktop ans even ssh that
13:25.54Orion_X11and I can surf the net with a cross-over cable
13:25.59asgComradeHaz: remove /var/lock/aptitude
13:26.14Orion_X11but, would like to use that printer
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13:26.35ComradeHazuh..... Lock is a file not a folder here
13:27.10ComradeHazoh
13:27.17ComradeHazmissread
13:27.44ComradeHazSorry and thankyou
13:27.46ComradeHaz:)
13:28.14efaistoswhats the kernel to use if you want to play with xen ?
13:28.31petemcthe one with xen in the name
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13:28.48efaistosi know but there is a couple and the one im trying is not working :(
13:29.01petemcyou may be doing it wrong
13:29.07xozefaistos: use bash completion. aptitude linux-image<tab>
13:29.23tralalais there a VM support in lenny?
13:29.26xozerr: aptitude install
13:29.36efaistosi got an error with grub saying : you need to load the kernel first
13:29.55petemcefaistos: you would want to make sure you know how to configure your bootloader to use xen, you seemed unclear on that before
13:30.01stonedyeh well maybe you shouldn't be such a dick then
13:30.06stonedgive grub what it wants
13:30.19ComradeHazoooherrr
13:30.23ComradeHazA package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
13:30.23ComradeHazSetting up samba-common (2:3.2.5-1) ...
13:30.23ComradeHazdebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
13:30.34stonedComradeHaz, you have dpkg running somewhere else?
13:30.40ComradeHaztom@Apollo:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -u
13:30.44ComradeHazdebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailabl
13:30.48ComradeHazno
13:30.50efaistosstoned: instead of insulting people you could provide a solution MOROM
13:30.53stonedareyou sure
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13:31.01ComradeHazpretty
13:31.02tralalaComradeHaz, there's another package manager running
13:31.10tralalamaybe in gnome
13:31.14stonedefaistos, I'm sorry that you took that as an insult.
13:31.18ComradeHazthere's no desktop environment on it
13:31.24stonedI thought it was obvious what it was.
13:31.28ComradeHazand only I have access to it
13:31.34ComradeHazand I'm only sshed in once
13:31.39xozComradeHaz: lsof | grep config.dat
13:31.46xozComradeHaz: kill that process
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13:31.58ComradeHazNo output
13:32.03tralalaComradeHaz, and you're not running screen, and nobody is logged in on a console?
13:32.04stonedComradeHaz, you're using dpkg somewhere else or the process is still running
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13:32.17efaistosstoned: sorry then ... its just that new config of grub and didnt know it and the message is not really helping : "You need to load the kernel first"
13:32.19ComradeHaznope tralala
13:32.24tralalaand you have no suspended or running background jobs?
13:32.35ComradeHazuh?
13:32.40ComradeHazdunno
13:32.42tralalajobs
13:32.44stonedefaistos, pastebin your menu.lst
13:32.55ComradeHazwhat do you mean?
13:32.57stonedefaistos, also, what did you do to get this message?
13:33.04tralalaI mean: type "jobs"
13:33.34ComradeHazahh
13:33.40efaistosstoned: grub.cfg since its  grub2
13:33.45ComradeHazI think I can identify them
13:33.56stonedgrub2 is not stable and is still experimental
13:33.57efaistosstoned: when i try to boot on it .. got just that message
13:33.59enouf!grub2
13:34.03ComradeHazhow do I get running tasks onto command line so I can paste them to you
13:34.05stonedI doubt you'll find much support for it
13:34.08efaistoschecked the root whcih is good
13:34.09stonedgood luck
13:34.25tralalaComradeHaz, /msg dpkg pastewithoutx
13:34.30tralalaor paste without x
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13:34.47ComradeHazwdym tralala ?
13:34.48ComradeHazSorry?
13:34.52efaistosboots well on regular linux image but not on the xen one :(
13:34.54enoufefaistos: see #grub
13:34.56tralala!pastewithoutx
13:34.56dpkgit has been said that pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask ...
13:35.11ComradeHazoh
13:35.16ComradeHazthat's not what I meant
13:35.20enouf!pastebin pipe
13:35.20dpkgpastebin pipe is, like, Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.phppipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234".
13:35.32ComradeHazI just want to effectively extract two lines from htop
13:35.33enoufhrm.. that's been changed
13:35.43enouf!info pastebinit
13:35.52stonedhtop doesn't produce output
13:35.57stonedhtop is an interactive app
13:36.10stonedunless you make it
13:36.12ComradeHazwhat about from top?
13:36.21enoufComradeHaz: if you fire it up in a linux terminal you can get it
13:36.23tralalaComradeHaz, with ps or pstree
13:36.25stonedwhat info do you need
13:36.27dpkgpastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
13:36.28stoned?
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13:36.51xozComradeHaz: you need to know what app is using config.dat... use lsof -> list open files.
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13:37.01enoufexample;   3453  3447 root      20   0 S 12.9  8.3 13h23:24 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth
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13:37.44tralalaComradeHaz, pgrep dpkg; pgrep apt
13:38.22tralalaalso cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock
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13:39.00xozComradeHaz: or you can erase the lock if you want to force it.
13:39.09xozComradeHaz: and cross your finger.
13:39.52efaistosenouf: yeah im already there
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13:41.08stonedenouf, how was your turkey
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13:42.07enoufstoned: a beauty - thanks ;-)
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13:42.21enoufstoned: gotta run out to work today ... bbl .. have a good day bud
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13:44.15blackmoonhi, there are security updates in unstable repositoires?
13:44.42petemcnot as such, but thats where newer packages go which may contain updates
13:44.53pumpkin_blackmoon, unstable get's no security updates. Just stable has that service.
13:45.30blackmoonpumpkin_: ok, thank you.
13:46.04ComradeHazmeh
13:46.12stewstable and usually testing
13:46.21ComradeHazhow do I make ps show the commands?
13:46.36pumpkin_ComradeHaz, "sudo ps aux" ?
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13:47.36xozno need sudo
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13:50.05ComradeHazok
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13:50.18ComradeHazone of the things running is: /bin/bash /usr/bin/ucf --three-way --debconf-ok /var/run/samba/upgrades/smb.conf /etc/samba/smb.conf
13:50.45ComradeHazalso
13:50.48ComradeHaz/bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst configure 2:3.2.4-1
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13:53.15ComradeHazare they the ones?
13:53.24ComradeHazcan I just kill them?
13:53.35xozComradeHaz: try killing them.
13:53.49xozComradeHaz: then do, dpkg-reconfigure --pending --configure
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13:54.43jpinxI need to list the groups a user belongs to, but group <user> only lists the primary group. How to get the others?
13:55.29petemcgroups user ?
13:55.36petemc<PROTECTED>
13:55.36petemcpete : pete adm
13:56.04jpinxHmmm -- in that case I have a different problem ;)
13:56.31xozjpinx: or see /etc/group
13:56.49jpinxI need to add myself to the group that works the sound card.
13:56.57petemcaudio
13:57.24petemcjpinx: you'll want to log out and then back in for the change to take effect
13:58.05mhymn_jpinx: use 'id user' to list the groups user belongs to
13:58.36jpinxpetemc: ok - that's cool. Various things got borked when I installed gnokii to connect my mobile phone. I lost sound and suspend
13:58.57viniliosmy vps server raises iowait ('wa' in top) load every time i start mysql, could someone help me out
14:00.20jpinxpetemc: yep - I guessed it would be audio, but when I do usermod -g audio johnp I am added to that groupd and removed from my own
14:00.43mhymn_jpinx: adduser user audio
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14:01.58jpinxmhymn_: that was it one -- thanks
14:02.15jpinxreboots
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14:05.41ComradeHazdebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
14:05.49ComradeHazhow do I delete that lock file?
14:05.52ComradeHazhow do I delete that lock file?
14:06.50xozComradeHaz: you dont have lsof?
14:06.57ComradeHazuh?
14:07.06ComradeHazI don't know?
14:07.08ComradeHazWhy?
14:07.25xoztype: lsof | grep config.dat
14:07.33xozpaste the output here. just one line
14:07.34ComradeHazooh
14:07.40ComradeHaznice
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14:08.28solarshi, can anyone tell me whats wrong with this: http://pastie.org/326085 I keep getting "no candidates provided, skipping detection"
14:08.34xozComradeHaz: sudo kill -9 <pid> where <pid> is the number in the second column of the output of grep
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14:09.10ComradeHazyeah, gottit xoz
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14:09.15ComradeHaznice one, thanks for that
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14:09.32xozComradeHaz: the after killing. dpkg --pending --configure.
14:09.48themillsolars: check your indentation
14:09.49ComradeHazbloody hell does it make a mess dropping connection really screws things up innit :D
14:11.11solarsthemill, indentation? is that a requirement?
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14:16.09attonbitusiraWhat would cause a debian rig to restart twice in one hour in accompanied?
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14:16.15attonbitusira*unaccompanied?
14:16.39rvsjoennothing in the logs ? just restarts ?
14:17.16attonbitusirahttp://paste.debian.net/22440/
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14:18.47attonbitusiraand http://paste.debian.net/22445/   (output of history | grep vnc
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14:19.55solarsthemill, thats not requried
14:20.54attonbitusiraany idea?
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14:28.50Selveste1under install of deb, can I use apt-get and dpkg ?
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14:31.55epsilondpkg -i foo.deb
14:31.55dpkgremoves a kidney from epsilon and replaces it with foo.deb
14:32.21epsilonoh, stfu bot
14:33.02Selveste1yes normaly, but dpkg is not pressent under install of debian :(
14:34.22epsiloneh?
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14:44.09illioI'm having a bit of trouble with CAcert.. I've got the certificate from the website, which I have then saved in a file called apache.pem. In a virtual host I've then changed the port to 443 and written: "SSLEngine on" and "SSLCertificateFile /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem" .. yet when I restart the server no site works and the logs include a Private key not found error.. What am I doing wrong?
14:44.14adnchello, i have a lot of magick-* files in my tmp directory, does someone know which application these files produces?
14:44.55mhymn_adnc: use the file command?
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14:45.23adncmhymn_: i can not use anything they are to much and i get "Argument list too long" on this directory
14:45.28anddamhello
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14:45.59mhymn_adnc: you can't use 'file magi...' for one of them?
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14:47.11adncmhymn_: no since they are to much, if i do a <tab> it takes ages
14:47.25adncmagick-XX9M75da: very short file (no magic)
14:47.26zykes-anyone here know why i don't get to run "bash" or any programs
14:47.37zykes-even when i specify the full path to /bin/ls ?
14:47.41adncthis is what i get with file command on one of these files
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14:48.33zykes-just getting command not found on all commands
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14:49.11zykes-PATH is correctly set as well
14:49.36natsukaoi got a problem  with the pcmcia siemens gigaset pc card 108 802.11g
14:50.02natsukao<PROTECTED>
14:50.02natsukao02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801CAM (ICH3) PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 41)
14:50.02natsukao03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC ( rev 01)
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14:50.48natsukaobut the card does not work with DebIan why ?
14:50.51adncmhymn_: obviously they are created by imagemagick
14:51.47mhymn_adnc: imagemagick can produce many different formats anyway
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14:52.26adncmhymn_: but why doesnt it delete them after craeting
14:52.39mhymn_dunno
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14:56.29solarscan anyone tell me where to get ipw2100-source? can't find it, using unstable
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14:58.47jpinxanyone know of a way to connect my nokia mobile to my laptop (running lenny) Gnokii broke too many other things and didn't work anyway :(
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14:59.49attonbitusiraadnc
14:59.54attonbitusiraisnt that for mogrify?
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15:02.48adncattonbitusira: yes
15:03.10adncattonbitusira: i dont know mogrify, but i think it is for imagemagick
15:03.27adncand i wonder how i can delete file amounts that are larger than the argument list of rm
15:03.54attonbitusirawhat arguments are you using?
15:04.05adncattonbitusira: simply rm *
15:04.08hoxuadnc, xargs
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15:04.16adnchoxu: xargs?
15:04.20hoxuadnc, xargs.
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15:04.37adnchoxu: how?
15:04.40hoxuadnc, man xargs
15:04.50gsamsaall my locales are set to 'pt_PT.UTF-8' on root and user.
15:05.02hoxuadnc, it has a nice EXAMPLES section
15:05.08gsamsabut i can only write special chars on root.
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15:05.54gsamsaas user, i can write special on irssi :0
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15:06.24amigohi! where I can find easytag for lenny?
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15:06.59anddamwhat's easytag?
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15:07.15amigopackege
15:07.15attonbitusiraxargs, neat
15:07.20amigopackage
15:07.28adnchoxu: same as without i uxed xargs /bin/rm *
15:08.28hoxuadnc, man xargs. It has a neat EXAMPLES section
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15:08.44amigoanddam, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=easytag&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
15:08.48hoxuadnc, let me copy-paste from the manual:
15:08.50hoxu<PROTECTED>
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15:09.29hoxuadnc, as an added bonus, since I'm feeling generous, I can read the manual to you aloud while you sit on my lap, if you come over.
15:10.00anddamamigo: forwardport
15:10.07adncmail:/tmp# find /tmp magic* -type f -print | xargs /bin/rm -f
15:10.08adnc-bash: /usr/bin/find: Argument list too long
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15:11.13amigoanddam, forwardwath?
15:11.20amigo*what?
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15:11.39adnchoxu: obviously it wouldnt even work if you would shout
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15:13.33hoxuadnc, that's not how you use find. Try "find /tmp -type f -name 'magic*'"
15:13.41anddamamigo: like backport but in the opposite way
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15:14.03hoxuadnc, you can't exceed the argument limit with shell expansion - you have to pipe the output of another command that lists the files
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15:15.25gsamsahow do i change the name of my computer?
15:15.30adnchoxu: your find command doesnt return anything and if i use it without the '' command the the arg list ist too much
15:15.52gsamsaexample:/home/user
15:16.03gsamsaexample:/home/user#
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15:17.36asggsamsa: /msg dpkg hostname
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15:19.42hoxuadnc, provide us with more information - what files are you trying to delete?
15:20.37adnchoxu: maybe it doesnt work because they are all broken links?
15:20.47natsukaoto unlock the problem of my pcmcia now, i write to my friend RMS
15:21.04hoxuadnc, yes, drop the "-type f" if the pattern matches only what you want to delete
15:21.15hoxuadnc, that's there for finding only files - man find
15:21.40adnchoxu: thank you. i new, but i oversaw it
15:22.04adncnow they are deleted
15:22.04gsamsaall my locales are set to 'pt_PT.UTF-8' on root and user. but i can only write special chars like ç or ã as root.
15:22.15gsamsawhat's going on ?
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15:45.43S-i-Ahi i will redirect my host by DynDNS.com to my /var/www/Home directory, and use Zyxel Modem. is that possible ?
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15:50.43quentusrexI'm trying to build a source package. I'm getting the error: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
15:50.43quentusrexdpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b pbxbuntu-asterisk-1.4.22 gave error exit status 1
15:50.50quentusrexwhat does that mean?
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15:59.17dustybinanybody know of a decent guide on how i can shrink and increase a size of partitions using LVM? im scared of losing all my data
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15:59.38petemcdustybin: it varies according to the fs
15:59.44dustybinext3
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16:03.32_newzenfor a HP dl380 G4 with Xeon, what is better i386 or IA64 Debian distro?
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16:04.37PinkFreudnot ia64.
16:04.45PinkFreudyo'd want amd64
16:04.51PinkFreuder, you'd
16:05.09_newzenxeon is from intel
16:05.19PinkFreudyes, I know.
16:05.31amphi_newzen: ia64 is for itanium
16:05.43_newzenso, is better i386 right
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16:05.48PinkFreudItanium is an entirely different architecture, not x86 compatible.
16:06.07PinkFreud_newzen: amd64 encompasses both Intel and AMD 64 bit processors.
16:06.38PinkFreud_newzen: It all depends on what you plan to do with the machine.
16:06.43epsilonhuch, amd64 for xeon?
16:06.56petemcif its 64 bit xeon
16:07.06PinkFreudpetemc: err, yeah.
16:07.06_newzenyes it is
16:07.14epsilonoh, thought it's only for "amd" 64
16:07.53PinkFreudepsilon: No.  It was named amd64 since AMD was the first to release a 64 bit x86 cpu.  :)
16:07.53epsilonso core2duo's also amd64?
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16:07.59PinkFreudepsilon: correct
16:08.11epsilonnice to know (If I buy one)
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16:08.39PinkFreudLinux mordor 2.6.25-2-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Jun 27 00:16:12 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
16:08.57PinkFreudthat's a core 2 quad.
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16:09.20oOarthurOoI've found some s2ram options that work for my  machine, "s2ram -f -a 3" will reliably suspend and resume with working video, but I'm having trouble passing these parameters to the system when automatically suspending either by choosing suspend from gnome options, or closing the lid, or simply timing out.
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16:09.36festerinirelandhello everyone..
16:09.41festerinirelandIm having a problem with a tape drive..
16:09.41PinkFreud_newzen: how much memory do you have in the machine?  what kind of software do you plan to run?  anything proprietary?
16:09.47_newzenhow to now if is 32 or 64?
16:09.49epsilonguess time for me to get new box... still P4 (32)
16:09.53festerinirelandIts forever saying that its device or resource busy..
16:10.18_newzenfrom the command line?
16:10.20festerinirelandunforunately the machine is in the states and im in Ireland.. so any help would be very much appreciated
16:10.27oOarthurOoI've found a 'hackish' workaround, but simply creating a script in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/, but there already exists a script in there called video that suspends with any parameters you pass to it via config giles.
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16:11.19epsilonis the tapestill mounted? some process accessing it? (even a shell on the tape dir)?
16:11.45oOarthurOoI thought the suspending would look in /etc/pm/config/defaults where I've included this line: S2RAM_OPTS="-f -a 3"
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16:12.00Titanhow do I get the same shell as centos 5.2?
16:12.02PinkFreud_newzen: take a look at the flags on the cpu in /proc/cpuinfo
16:12.19PinkFreudTitan: Centos uses bash by default.
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16:12.29PinkFreudTitan: ... for that matter, so does Debian
16:12.30dob1hi, at the boot i have a problem with nfs common utilities, it is unable to start statd and then every attemp to mount an nfs is blocked
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16:12.45Titanbut the bash in centos lets me select text with the mouse
16:13.01PinkFreudTitan: that has nothing to do with bash.
16:13.07Titanwhat is that then
16:13.09PinkFreudbash neither knows, nor cares, about your mouse.
16:13.21Titanthen how is it that I can select text in centos and not debian
16:13.28PinkFreudAre you referring to the text console, or in a terminal window?
16:13.37dob1but after this,  it tries to restart the statd service, and it is ok
16:13.40Titanumm the first one
16:13.43dob1it's strange
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16:13.49PinkFreudTitan: Install gpm
16:13.58Titanok ill try that thanks
16:14.28PinkFreud_newzen: grep flags /proc/cpuinfo | grep -w lm
16:14.47PinkFreud_newzen: if that returns output, your cpu supports 64 bit
16:15.12PinkFreud_newzen: generally, any new xeon has 64 bit support.  If that's an older machine, then it all depends on just how old it is.  :)
16:15.17dob1i don't find anything in the log to understand why i have this problem
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16:16.59_newzencan i paste two lines? the output of grep flags /proc/cpuinfo | grep -w lm
16:17.13asgyes, two lines should be fine
16:17.18TitanPinkFreud: gpm was what I wanted, cheers!
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16:17.48PinkFreudTitan: I know.  :P
16:17.55PinkFreud_newzen: Please don't paste here
16:18.09_newzeni solicitated permision
16:18.09PinkFreud_newzen: I said that if it returned output, then you have 64 bit support
16:18.40PinkFreudThere's no need to paste it.
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16:18.48_newzenok zorry
16:19.01dob1now on /etc/rc2.d i have K79nfs-common  so it has to no start nfs-common but at the boot i see it try to start it again, why?
16:19.11Doonz2hey guys was wondering if someone could help me with a tightvnc problem
16:19.31tetoncasolicited.
16:19.42tetoncadon't  tate things please. ;)
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16:20.50_newzenPinkFreud : don't have 64 support right?
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16:21.35PinkFreud_newzen: That command returned output (the same output that you pasted here).  I said that if it returned output, you have 64 bit.  Ergo, you have 64 bit.
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16:22.48_newzenthx, zorry for the paste
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16:23.26dob1how can i know what is starting the portmap and statd service?  i don't understand they are with the K at start on rc2.d
16:23.36Jrm!xen
16:23.36dpkgwell, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer.  OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications).  Xen achieves high performance virtualisation without special hardware support.  For detailed help, ask in #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen
16:24.36asgdob1: those are generally started by NFS. If you don't use NFS, you wont' need them and can disable the NFS daemons as well.
16:25.24dob1asg: i use nfs, and i used it since today, now today without modify anything they doesn't work
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16:26.14asgdob1: what have you changed recently?
16:26.34dob1asg: nothing that can be related to nfs
16:27.36dob1asg: but a part this, as i said before, why if i have on rc2.d the portmap and nfs-common service with the K like K89nfs-common, they are started at boot?
16:28.15dob1during a normal boot seems that they are started 2 times
16:28.16xozdob1: K is killing, S for starting.
16:28.29dob1yes i did it, K to not start them
16:28.33xozdob1: you can purge and reinstall it.
16:28.53xozdob1: make sure portmap starts ahead. nfs needs it.
16:29.04xozdob1: ps ax and check if portmap works
16:29.17xozthen /etc/init.d/nfs restart
16:29.27xozor whatever nfs you have.
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16:29.58dob1xoz: the strage thing is, at boot : portmap start nfs-common fail (statd is not started)  it tries to mount the nfs partition and fails THEN it start portmap and nfs-common again and this is succeful
16:30.43xozdob1: check the numbering. portmap needs a little time to start... make nfs-common a bigger number.
16:30.51xozthan portmap's S number
16:31.29xozdob1: what is the S number of portmap vs nfs?
16:31.39dob1xoz: now i am reinstalling them
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16:33.16xozdob1: you have to purge to make sure the old configs are really removed,
16:34.28xozdob1: if you hate rc, you can replace it with file-rc init which allows you to use one file to edit the init process.
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16:35.20dob1xoz: ok, purged portmap and nfs-common and trying to reinstalling them fails, it fails on nfs-common Creating config file /etc/default/nfs-common with new version  Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed!
16:36.08dob1the error from the logs seems this unable to register (statd, 1, udp).
16:36.09xozdob1: is the portmap running?
16:36.30xozps ax | grep portmap
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16:36.43xozstatd is an rpc
16:37.02TheBlasphemerIs there a way to prevent an (SDL) process from accessing /dev/dsp (so it will try Alsa) ?
16:37.14dob1xoz: portmap is not running from ps aux but /etc/init.d/portmap start  = Starting portmap daemon...Already running..
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16:37.40xozdob1: try /etc/init.d/portmap stop
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16:38.08xozdob1: if portmap cannot run, nfs needs the port map protocol so nfs will not run.
16:38.28dob1xoz: nothing i am unable to start / stop portmap
16:38.34xozmake sure portmap runs first. otherwise, nfs cannot do remote procedure calls and other port related operations.
16:38.45xozdob1: purge it and install.
16:38.53xozdob1: are you in unstable? stable?
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16:39.41dob1xoz: it's a testing / unstable
16:39.50xozdob1: check the logs of portmap
16:40.21dob1xoz: on the portmap startup script it does pid=$( pidofproc portmap )  , but it can't find the pid, i don't find portmap on ps aux
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16:41.09xozdob1: you have to examine the log to know what it complains.
16:41.11xozman portmap
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16:42.40xozdob1:  try sudo portmap -d and check the debug messages
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16:43.59dob1xoz: it's the startup script of portmap the problem, if i understand it correct it use pidofproc portmapt to see if it is running, pidofproc maybe is an error, is pidof the right command, now it works
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16:44.20dob1if i substiture pidofproc with pidoff
16:44.23xozdob1: submit a bug report?
16:44.38xozdob1: have you tried purge and reinstall?
16:44.51xozso, nfs should work now
16:45.00dob1xoz: they were reinstalled and purged, but i retry again
16:45.31xozdob1: if there is an error in pidofproc... maybe you should submit a bug report.
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16:45.46xozafter purging and reinstalling
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16:46.08dob1xoz: i think pidofproc is the command that it uses to see if it is running, but doesn't exist on my system, pidof exists
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16:47.23xozdob1: then there is something wrong with the dependcy of packaging. it should check that portmap depends on pidofproc or pidof.... it should fix the script for dependency in its postinst.
16:48.04xozdob1: or maybe due to your mixed unstable/testing configuration of debian.
16:48.24dob1xoz: maybe it is probably a my problem, not a debian one
16:48.47OctalotI think that bug is already logged.
16:48.49xozdob1: i have pidof, no pidofproc in lenny. so i think this is a bug
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16:49.24xozdob1: try apt-file search pidofproc if your system has it. if none, it is a bug.
16:49.29dob1just did
16:49.53xozi think it does not exist. file a bug.
16:50.16dob1i will do it
16:50.20Octalothttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448470  is around that area
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16:52.08xozyep, they had it.
16:52.14xozsilly bug.
16:52.49Octalotpidofproc is in /lib/lsb/init-functions , not a separate file
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16:53.07xozyep, just a bash function
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16:53.15dob1Octalot: you have it ? i don't find it with apt-file
16:53.20xozbut it should revert to pidof
16:53.33xozdob1: it is a bash function.
16:53.43dob1xoz: which package own it?
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16:53.49Octalotdob1: lsb-base
16:53.51xozlike def pidofproc() blah...
16:54.32eljefe_up_northMy computer has its iceweasel, at close time, someone clicked 'Save and Close" and "Do not ask again" and now it no longer loads my homepage but rather the last visited pages.  How do i unset this?
16:54.42xozis looking for a program like apt-file but greps the content of the packages.
16:55.25dob1xoz: ok so at the start of the startup script i have ". /lib/lsb/init-function" and here there is pidofproc , but it doens't find it when it runs the startup script
16:55.28xozeljefe_up_north: goto preferences. edit your homepage location.
16:55.35dob1the startup script of portmap
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16:56.12eljefe_up_northxoz omg that was too easy, i was digging in about:config.  thanks mate
16:56.20atomikuHow can I get the lspci bin in debian?
16:56.42dob1or it is the function itself bugged?
16:56.43Octalotdob1: doesn't find pidofproc, or doesn't find the running instance of portmap?
16:56.51xozdob1: read the bug report posted by Octalot. i think they discussed it.
16:56.52Maulkinatomiku: install pciutils
16:56.56atomikuthanks :)
16:57.06Maulkin!tell atomiku about search
16:57.11Octalotdob: read through  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448470   , portmap's init script is broken
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16:57.15atomikuAhh right I see!
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16:57.21jmpp_greets!
16:57.24atomikuMaulkin: <3
16:57.31Maulkin:)
16:58.01jmpp_I need to install a package, but the result that apt-cache show is returning seems to be somehow outdated, the listed package is no longer available in the repository
16:58.10jmpp_how can i get those results back in sync with reality?
16:58.20jmpp_I tried apt-cache gencaches to no avail
16:58.35Octalotdob1: and then http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506429
16:59.07dob1Octalot: thanks
16:59.17xozjmpp_: maybe deprecated? what package?
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16:59.38Maulkinjmpp_: try apt-cache policy <packagename> to get an idea of what's going on
17:00.13jmpp_xoz: rsync, I'm getting an etch1 result, but the debian sites are showing etch2
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17:00.50Maulkinjmpp_: have you run 'apt-get update' ?
17:00.56xozjmpp_: something with your mirror? try another mirror.
17:01.10jmpp_goes for apt-get update
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17:05.06macondoI have a box with sshd, I can login withing the same net but I can't login if I'm accessing through the internet. What's wrong?
17:05.28macondossh: connect to host 190.244.21.29 port 22: Connection refused
17:05.38xozmacondo: you have to allow your firewall to forward ssh
17:05.57Doonz2I mounted two raid arrays ,they were mounted in /home/server/rs1 and /home/server/rs2. On the desktop the array that was mounted in /home/server/rs1 shows up on the desktop as 2000.4 Gb Media and the one mounted in /home/server/rs2 shows up as rs2 on the desktop Im trying to figure out where that label 2000.4Gb Media came from and howto change it to rs1. Any ideas?
17:05.58xozmacondo: enable DMZ
17:06.25Octalotbetter to enable individual ports than the full DMZ
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17:07.28jpinxI have lost my sound again. How do I get my sound to not fail in vlc when I open a youtube video webpage?
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17:08.54xozjpinx: more info.
17:09.48dob1jpinx: an audio server i suppose, like arts?
17:09.53jpinxxoz: I was playing a playlist in vlc and opened a page of youtube in iceweasel.
17:10.02jpinxI lost sound completely
17:10.23cahootjpinx: fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp*
17:10.25xozjpinx: yep, you need an audio server. otherwise, the apps will lock your sound.
17:10.50jpinxxoz: ok - what/how is all that done?
17:11.11cahootjpinx: you really shouldn't need a 'soundserver'
17:13.16jpinxcahoot:  http://pastebin.com/f3c83c757
17:13.17macondoxoz: is it this? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73
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17:14.25DominicusWhat is a good package to use for setting up and administering a firewall for debian linux? I'd like to also be able to use a gui with it as well.
17:14.48cahootjpinx: see - ff (flash) is occupying the tevice - a well behaved app should be no problem but I guess flash misuses alsa
17:14.56xozmacondo: are your using dlink or linksys? what system is your gateway?
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17:15.31xozDominicus: shorewall, maybe?
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17:15.36macondoxoz: it's linksys, and I've already forwarded the port 22 to the local machine running debian.
17:15.39xozDominicus: apt-cache search firewall
17:15.41WormBEShouldn't the "who" command show the hostnames/ips? I only get some parts of them
17:15.50cahootjpinx: I presum your vlc outputs to alsa
17:15.54jpinxcahoot: ok - so how do I make it behave well?
17:15.57jmpp_Maulkin: thanks a bunch, apt-get update did the trick, sources now back in sync with reality and I managed to install the package (I have a fair bit of unix experience, but I'm a debian n00b)
17:16.07jpinxcahoot: yes - vlc uses alsa
17:16.12WormBEthe output isn't whole as far as hostnames/ips are concerned
17:16.14WormBEwhy is that?
17:16.22cahootjpinx: I doubt you can modify flash
17:16.25xozmacondo: still not successful?
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17:16.31xozmacondo: try ssh -vvv
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17:17.21jpinxcahoot: I can't believe I am the only person with this problem - -how would I make my system behave better?
17:17.51Ins|dehello there, i need a backport for gcc to the version 4.1.3, i currently have 4.1.2, does anyone knows where too look for this package ?
17:17.56Doonz2I mounted two raid arrays ,they were mounted in /home/server/rs1 and /home/server/rs2. On the desktop the array that was mounted in /home/server/rs1 shows up on the desktop as 2000.4 Gb Media and the one mounted in /home/server/rs2 shows up as rs2 on the desktop Im trying to figure out where that label 2000.4Gb Media came from and howto change it to rs1. Any ideas?
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17:18.23xozmacondo: try first enable DMZ. if it works, then you can use port forwarding. if even DMZ does not work, maybe the router above you filters ssh connection.
17:18.38jpinxcahoot: how can I get my sound back from flash at the moment?
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17:19.02cahootjpinx: kill firefox?
17:19.15macondoxoz: how do enable DMZ from command line?
17:19.32xozmacondo: no, in linksys.
17:19.41macondoxoz: ah ah
17:19.56jpinxcahoot:  ok - and then how to configure things so it doesn't happen again?
17:20.05cahootjpinx: also you could try mplayer - see if it cooperates better - fwiw I have no probs playing youtube and mplayer simultanenously
17:20.34xozmacondo: look for the option such that linksys will forward anything to your computer without filtering it. as if your computer is directly connected to the internet without firewall.
17:21.12cahootjpinx: flashplayer 10 I might add
17:21.12jpinxcahoot: ok - I tried mplayer before and couldn't get it to work at all
17:21.28macondoxoz: yes, I just enabled that and it still doesn't work. Look: http://pastebin.ca/1269569
17:21.29xozmacondo: if it works. then the problem is local to your linksys. then enable port forwarding of ssh port 22. and close DMZ
17:21.31jpinxvlc "just worked" out of the box and plays everything
17:21.52jpinxgoes to look for a better flashplayer
17:21.53macondoxoz: I used time so that you can see how immediately this happens
17:21.56xozjpinx: usually, you need to restart linksys?
17:22.09cahootjpinx:  "just worked" and "play everything" describes mplayer
17:22.23jpinxxoz: linksys? what's that?
17:22.31xozjpinx: ignore.
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17:22.44xozmacondo: you need to restart linksys
17:22.49jpinxcahoot: that's what i had been told - but it didn't happen w=for me with mplayer
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17:23.23macondoxoz: do you think the router has somehow crashed?
17:23.23xozjpinx: try apt-cache search sound server. install one. and check if it can alleviate your pain :)
17:23.26cahootjpinx:  no useful comment on that
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17:23.53jpinxcahoot - -thanks anyway I'll hunt for some solutions for flash
17:24.00xozmacondo: no, everytime you change the config, the router needs to reboot. i think. so try rebooting linksys. and check ssh
17:24.22xozmacondo: also use ssh -vvv yourhost
17:24.34xozmacondo: check where it stopped.
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17:25.11macondoxoz: I've never had to do that, but ok. Anyway, I'll reboot in a couple of minutes because I can't shutdown inet right now. So I'll be here again in the future
17:25.24Dominicusxoz: Thanks for the firewall solution. There just seems to be so many, I wanted to try what people know, that works well.
17:25.32xozmacondo: dont reboot your computer. only linksys
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17:25.54xozmacondo: ah ok. try ssh -vvv?
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17:26.03xozshow me the output in pastebin
17:26.41macondoxoz: http://pastebin.ca/1269573
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17:26.59Ins|dehello there, i need a backport for gcc to the version 4.1.3, i currently have 4.1.2, does anyone knows where too look for this package or any similar solution?
17:27.09xozmacondo: can you ping your host over internet?
17:27.10KobazDo you want to continue? [Y/n] y
17:27.10KobazE: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libc6
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17:27.16Kobazthat doesn't look too goo
17:27.23Kobazto good
17:27.33xozmacondo: if not, your linksys is not forwarding or DMZ is not enabled.
17:27.36macondoxoz: yes. 64 bytes from 190.244.21.29: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.462 ms
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17:29.00xozmacondo: try runnig sshd in foreground and check when you connect from internet if the sshd server detects it.
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17:29.26xozmacondo: sshd -D
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17:30.04atomikumake: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. <-- Compiling a wireless driver, what package do I need to get the kernel source, or whatever this makefile needs?
17:30.45xozmacondo: try sshd -D -p <portno> ... then ssh -p <portno>
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17:32.13macondoxoz: the same than before happens (locally ok, from inet can't) and there's no output from sshd -D -p 22
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17:32.44xozmacondo: try sshd -D -d -p 22
17:33.25macondoxoz: I don't know if this has something to do with the problem, but it outputs "debug1: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0."
17:33.27xozmacondo: open two consoles and check if there is any activity in the server from the debug info.
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17:33.44Doonz2I mounted two raid arrays ,they were mounted in /home/server/rs1 and /home/server/rs2. On the desktop the array that was mounted in /home/server/rs1 shows up on the desktop as 2000.4 Gb Media and the one mounted in /home/server/rs2 shows up as rs2 on the desktop Im trying to figure out where that label 2000.4Gb Media came from and howto change it to rs1. Any ideas?
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17:33.58xozmacondo: that is ok
17:34.10xozmacondo: meaning of 0.0.0.0 is any source.
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17:34.41macondoxoz: I still can't connect to the external ip and sshd prints nothing when I try
17:34.58xozmacondo: meaning linksys does not forward.
17:35.06WormBEhow can you recreate the file /var/run/utmp ?
17:35.07xozmacondo: try another port... like 80
17:35.19xozmacondo: which is http. so it should forward.
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17:35.29Titanis it normal that I can't make a hard link to /mnt
17:35.40xozmacondo: make sure apache or any http server is not running
17:35.59Orion_X11I have just lost my X > no gdm, no graphical mode, no nvidia, only command line. How can I recover that?
17:36.29xozmacondo: which means that you may need to reboot linksys to reread your changes in the config
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17:36.45macondoxoz: I think there's something wrong with the router because the forwarding doesn't update: it still forwards port 80 to the machine it was set to before and not to the ssh server
17:36.57jpinxcahoot: I closed iceweasel properly and waited a couple of minutes to restart it, but now it refuses to restart and tells me it's running already but not responding. Any ideas?
17:37.04macondoxoz: all right, I'll reboot linksys in a minute and tell you
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17:37.45Orion_X11How do I purge everything and  reinstall X again?
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17:38.28xozmacondo: i think you can manage. just enable debug mode in both sshd and ssh... and play with your linksys port forwarding. have to sleep... it is early morning here. good luck amigo.
17:38.48macondoxoz: sleep tight
17:38.58xoz:)
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17:39.29macondoxoz: and thanks for your help
17:40.40Orion_X11How do I get my X back?
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17:40.58Orion_X11Even if it is VESA?
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17:43.06atomikumake: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. <--- Geting this while trying to compile some wireless drivers. What do I need to do, do be able to get past this error?
17:44.18adb!m-a
17:44.19dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare
17:44.50atomikuadb: thanks <3
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17:45.12atomikuadb: I already have it D:
17:45.22atomikuCan't locate Text/WrapI18N.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/m-a line 21.
17:45.30atomikuthats m-a prepare
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17:46.36atomikuHow do I get perl in debian?
17:46.42atomikuusing nice-and-easy apt-get?
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17:48.11jelly-hoatomiku: perl's already there; what exactly do you need?
17:48.16atomikuCan't locate Text/WrapI18N.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/m-a line 21.
17:48.20atomikuThats when I do m-a prepare
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17:48.52jelly-hoatomiku: which debian release?
17:48.56atomikucrap, no idea
17:48.59atomikuIt's been installed for a while
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17:49.04jelly-ho!version
17:49.04dpkgKernel: uname -r.  Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1.  Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_.  Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version.  Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros
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17:49.19atomikudebian 4.0
17:49.27adbatomiku: try "m-a"
17:49.33atomikuadb: same result
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17:49.41atomikuCan't locate Text/WrapI18N.pm
17:49.58jelly-hoatomiku: no, paste the actual output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1"
17:50.13atomikucat /etc/debian_version : 4.0
17:50.17TheBlasphemerIs there any way to force Alsa op open /dev/dsp and keep it open (to lock out programs using it directly)
17:50.25atomiku"dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1" ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
17:50.32valdynTheBlasphemer: uh?
17:50.38valdynTheBlasphemer: how silly is that?
17:50.41cahootTheBlasphemer: just don't enable it?
17:50.57valdynTheBlasphemer: blacklist snd-pcm-oss
17:51.01Orion_X11How do I purge and reinstall my Xserver?
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17:51.12valdynOrion_X11: why would you do that?
17:51.15jelly-ho!find /Text/WrapI18N.pm etch
17:51.38Orion_X11valdyn: Because I am unable to access my X
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17:51.52Doonz2I mounted two raid arrays ,they were mounted in /home/server/rs1 and /home/server/rs2. On the desktop the array that was mounted in /home/server/rs1 shows up on the desktop as 2000.4 Gb Media and the one mounted in /home/server/rs2 shows up as rs2 on the desktop Im trying to figure out where that label 2000.4Gb Media came from and howto change it to rs1. Any ideas?
17:51.55valdynOrion_X11: now thats no reason, its not even a useful error description
17:51.59Orion_X11valdyn: something went wrong
17:52.11dpkgDebian Search of '/Text/WrapI18N.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm) in perl/libtext-wrapi18n-perl.
17:52.40jelly-hoatomiku: see what dpkg just said above, "libtext-wrapi18n-perl"
17:52.53atomikulibtext-wrapi18n-perl is already the newest version.
17:53.12Orion_X11valdyn: When I boot the system it says that I cannot access X and no gdm is shown
17:53.15jelly-hoatomiku: is the file actually present on the system?
17:53.20atomikulemme locate it
17:53.33atomikuNope.
17:53.36jelly-hoatomiku: don't locate, you already know the path
17:53.36sajesOrion_X11: You probably just need to reconfigure xserver is all.
17:53.42atomikunot there
17:53.42Orion_X11valdyn: I get only a blackscreen
17:53.54jelly-hoatomiku: checked with ls?
17:53.57valdyn!drxx
17:53.58dpkgTo reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root; this will overwrite your xorg.conf but your old file will be backed up. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier) ask me about <sarge->etch>. From lenny onwards, most of these settings are configured by your desktop environment or with xrandr. You can still make a minimalist /etc/X11/xorg.conf, however, using the output of X -configure as a template.
17:53.59atomikuone sec, will do now
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17:54.17atomikuwhats the dir?
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17:54.22atomikuthe error has a lot of dirs
17:54.31jelly-hoatomiku: <dpkg> Debian Search of '/Text/WrapI18N.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/Text/WrapI18N.pm) in perl/libtext-wrapi18n-perl.
17:54.36atomikuohhh RIGHT
17:54.38atomikusorry
17:54.49atomiku-bash: cd: /usr/share/perl5/Text/: No such file or directory
17:54.58atomikuAlso:
17:54.58atomikuatomikulinux:/usr/share/perl5# ls
17:54.58atomikuDebconf Debian
17:55.02Orion_X11sajes: I have tried that, but no luck
17:55.15jelly-hoatomiku: your system in missing files
17:55.17jelly-hois*
17:55.23atomikuAwesome O_O...
17:55.27atomikuSo... damn... now what?
17:55.31atomikuCan I reinstall perl?
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17:55.44jelly-hoatomiku: do a "dpkg -S /usr/share/perl5/Text" and reinstall every package listed
17:55.52Orion_X11dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg > but do not show options to screen :-(
17:56.12jelly-hoatomiku: there might be other filesystem corruption (missing files)
17:56.20valdynOrion_X11: thats ok
17:56.53atomikuhttp://pastebin.com/m39b5817d
17:56.57atomikujelly-ho: http://pastebin.com/m39b5817d
17:57.48jelly-hoatomiku: that's not a way to reinstall a package!
17:57.55atomikujelly-ho: oops!
17:57.59atomikuI've never had to reinstall something before
17:58.04atomikuEverything on linux just WORKS for me XD
17:58.32jelly-hoatomiku: apt-get or aptitude manual will tell you how
17:58.49Orion_X11valdyn: I was using nvidia gforce but and it seems that something went wrong. So, how do I purge nvidia files to try to get at least Vesa?
17:59.03jelly-hoatomiku: apt-get --reinstall install foo, afair
17:59.05valdynOrion_X11: ask nvidia?
17:59.10atomikuThanks :) just figured it out
17:59.13valdynOrion_X11: if you used nvidias installer
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17:59.34valdynOrion_X11: sh nvidia-installer.sh --help might work too
17:59.41atomikujelly-ho: m-a prepare WORKS!
17:59.43Orion_X11valdyn: I used m-a to install that
18:00.00jelly-hoatomiku: that'll be $3.50
18:00.05atomikujelly-ho: It's apt-getting stuff
18:00.14atomikujelly-ho: go for it. gimme your paypal email
18:00.18valdynOrion_X11: ok, that should not have ruined anything then, read /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the error
18:00.20jelly-hoatomiku: do you want to supersize your fries?
18:00.27atomikujelly-ho: yes
18:00.57jelly-hoatomiku: just kidding, my paypal can't be used to give me monies anyway
18:01.03atomikujelly-ho: aw :(
18:01.23atomikuBRB while m-a prepare apt- gets shit :)
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18:12.19atomikujelly-ho: Wlan driver installed! <3 you reltek, <3 you jelly-ho
18:12.33atomikuAll is good. now to configure the wlan with ip masquerading and shit.
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18:12.45atomikuAnyone got a good tutorial on how to get this debian box visible on the wireless network?
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18:12.56atomikuBearing in mind, wireless devices will need to connect to it and use it for internet
18:13.41cahootfirst step would be minimise the 'shit' content
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18:16.53Astral_Projectiohi, i have debian unstable installed on my desktop and i want to switch to testing.. is this possible without new installation?
18:17.02mitraxhello, what's the name of the package for the gcc manpages?
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18:18.32Astral_Projectioanyone?
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18:19.55cahootin essence - no
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18:22.49Octalotmitrax: the manpage for gcc itself, or the ones for functions in libc?
18:23.22mitraxOctalot: the latter
18:23.35Octalotmanpages-dev
18:23.39mitraxthanks :)
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18:23.59jelly-homitrax: there's also the proper GNU libc documentation in non-free
18:24.23mitraxin non-free?
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18:24.50jelly-homitrax: glibc-doc-reference is in non-free, yes
18:24.53jelly-ho!non-free
18:24.54dpkgi heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
18:25.02Octalot!gfdl
18:25.02dpkgi heard gfdl is probably the GNU "free" documentation license, see discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html.  See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001
18:25.07mitraxi see, thanks a lot
18:25.22jelly-hothere's also glibc-doc
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18:33.00kenjyhi guys, I have a debian system and I wanna ask yo you if I should be care about this message in aut.log: Nov 28 04:25:02 eva su[14104]: Successful su for nobody by root
18:33.00kenjyNov 28 04:25:02 eva su[14104]: + ??? root:nobody
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18:38.43seed__hi, how can I add the /usr/local/lib directory to my lib path to allow autoload libs in this directory?
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18:39.19seed__I mean what is the best way without using lD_LIBRARY_PATH?
18:40.01atomikuAny idea why my debian box (Master:true / Access point) isn't visible>?
18:40.12amphiseed__: put it in /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig
18:40.24seed__amphi: thank you
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18:48.28FirefisheHello all.  I'm currently running lenny with the 2.6.26-1-686 kernel.  How do I patch this image with the current 2.6.27 kernel?
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18:50.35SQlvpapirFirefishe: compile it from kernel.org
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18:51.26SQlvpapireven sid only has the 2.6.26-1 in the repos
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18:57.56amphiFirefishe: you can build a kernel.org kernel with make-kpkg
18:59.39FirefisheSQlvpapir, amphi:  Sorry bout that, was makin' lunch ;).
19:00.03FirefisheSQlvpapir, amphi:  make-kpkg you say?  what's involved with that?
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19:00.51amphi!kernel-package
19:00.52dpkgTo compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps>
19:00.52themilldpkg: tell Firefishe about kernel package
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19:04.40bombshockHello. Could someone tell me if there is a similar command as shred which will work properly on an Ext3 partition?
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19:05.16jelly-hoFirefishe: or use experimental builds by kernel packagers... see #debian-kernel topic (on irc.debian.org)
19:05.24Firefishethemill:  I've compiled a stock kernel before, but not for debian.  Thanks for the info.  SQlvpapir_ amphi, you too.
19:05.24themillbombshock: depending on your mount options, shred does work on ext3. See man shred.
19:06.08bombshockthemill: i know it does not work on ext3, thats why im wondering if there is an alternative to shred... something similar
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19:07.04Firefishejelly-ho:  Lots of information today.  Tried using the compat-wireless-old package today to get my atheros wi-fi card working, but to no avail.  Sound is also shot.  I have #alsa considering that one.
19:07.32themillbombshock: not according to the man page. If you can establish that is incorrect, the you should file a bug against coreutils. /msg dpkg reportbug
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19:08.32dustybinhow can i enter run level 1 on debian?
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19:09.27dustybinthanks
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19:15.34SparFuxUsing TAGS to keep track of my own /etc changes rocks. I had the idea years before, but never did it constantly!
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19:28.57S-i-Ahi
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19:29.44S-i-Awhich file name well be read first in /www directory index.html or index.php or home.htm ...etc of debian server?
19:31.09RichiHS-i-A: that is defined in http.conf iirc
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19:32.18S-i-ARichiH: thanx but what the standard without any modification?
19:32.23starkehey guys whats going on with the repo
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19:32.43starkehttp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2
19:32.43starkehttp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/source/Sources.bz2
19:32.49RichiHS-i-A: try it for yourself
19:32.50starkenot downloading
19:32.59S-i-ARichiH: ok
19:33.03RichiHstarke: switch to a different regional server
19:33.51starkeRichiH, can you give me anotherone?
19:33.51RichiHstarke: replace the .us with .de or .fr or .ca or ...
19:33.51pelegI am trying to delete thousands of files in the same folder using rm, and I get "Argument list too long". What can I do?
19:33.57starkeok cool
19:34.13RichiHpeleg: either use xargs or rm a*, rm b* etc
19:34.14blackpitpeleg: use xargs :)
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19:34.28pelegRichiH, blackpit: what is xargs?
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19:34.34RichiHpeleg: or use zsh, which has a longer argument buffer than bash
19:34.51RichiHpeleg: blackpit will need to explain that as i am about to leave
19:34.57pelegRichiH, I see.
19:35.05dffim very new to debian, but id still like to give setting up my own email servers a try. does this guide look legit? http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
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19:35.08pelegblackpit, it's ok, I'll read about it. thanks!
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19:35.39RichiH!xargs
19:35.40dpkgrumour has it, xargs is find's better half.  "find . -type d -print | xargs ls -ld" for a trivial example. the -print0 and -0 arguments to find and xargs respectively are very important if your filenames contain spaces: "find . -type d -print 0 | xargs -0 ls -ld"
19:36.07RichiHdff: checking on docs you find on the internet if unsure about the specifics is a very good idea. congrats (i mean it)
19:36.21RichiHmore people should do that instead of doing stuff they don't understand
19:36.25RichiHbbl
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19:37.09SparFuxThe dpkg is really a smart bot I have to state!
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19:41.40SerajewelKSdpkg: xargs =~ s/print 0/print0/
19:41.40dpkgOK, SerajewelKS
19:42.30loevborg_When compiling a program, it complains about missing floor() and ceil(). Adding "LDFLAGS=-lm" fixes this. How do I fix this *properly* in configure.in for upstream submission?
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19:43.03SerajewelKSloevborg_: if you don't already understand autoconf, just file a bug with them and let them do it
19:43.14SerajewelKSloevborg_: autoconf is a royal PITA to learn
19:44.04loevborg_SerajewelKS: yes. But that should be simple to fix.
19:44.16SerajewelKSloevborg_: you would think, wouldn't you?
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19:45.18loevborg_SerajewelKS: heh
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19:49.41loevborg_SerajewelKS: I guess you're guht
19:49.45loevborg_right
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19:50.48Houbiarrive
19:51.15dustybinIf one cannot remember how big a partition was in the first place, how can own use lvreduce to successfully reduce the size?
19:51.24Houbidebhelper, comment ça va ?
19:51.42dustybinso far, ive done this: resize2fs /dev/hmb-vol/music 100G
19:51.57CoolColddoes anyone knows arp?
19:52.01dustybinbut now im not sure how to use lvreduce to reduce the size of the logical partition
19:52.12CoolColdi have messages in kernel log about Neighbour table overflow.
19:52.12Houbibye
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19:52.45CoolColdi guess they shouldn't be in arp's cache?
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19:53.22HeebieHello.  I'm having difficulty getting a system with a dmraid controller to work on boot-up.  Does anyone know of a GOOD readme/howto on this subject?  I have googled several, but so far none of them has been any help.  I get into the initramFS.. and it doesn't see the right number of partitions on the dmraid device.
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19:55.08dustybinive sorted it, if one used -L-10G, lvreduce will reduce the partition by 10G, if one used -L10G, lvreduce will reduce the volume to the absolute size :)
19:56.23dustybinReducing logical volume music to 100.00 GB
19:56.28dustybinit worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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19:57.27dustybin106G    53G    49G  53% /mnt/music
19:57.54dustybinnow its time to increase size of partition
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20:03.38karvuseyo -- "apt-get update" is acting up on me, with a weird error message, pasting:
20:03.47dustybinbah anybody remember lvextend options to expand and use up all remaining free space?
20:03.57karvushttp://paste.debian.net/22461
20:04.28karvusit's been a few months since I last updated this box, but never seen that before
20:04.39karvusanyone know what it's about?
20:04.44Heebiedustybin:  Do vgdisplay, and it will tell you how many units are still free, then do an lvresize -l +free units  (small L)
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20:05.18karvusor, rather, how I can make it go away? :)
20:06.18loevborg_I'd like to package a piece of software for Ubuntu; hence I thought it would be better to put into Debian. What should I do to accomplish this?
20:06.25dustybinHeebie: there is a option you can pass onto lvextend to work it out automatically
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20:07.25karvusI don't even know what "mangle" is supposed to do
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20:08.33dustybinHeebie: -l, --extents [+]LogicalExtentsNumber[%{VG|LV|FREE}]
20:08.44dustybinim sure the 'FREE' option is the one
20:09.45dustybin'or as a percentage of the remaining free space in the Volume Group with the suffix %FREE. "
20:09.49dustybin:-)
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20:12.04dustybinwho dares me to press 'enter'?  lvextend -l%FREE /dev/hmb-vol/music
20:12.16dustybinshite wrong one
20:12.34dustybinlvextend -l%FREE /dev/hmb-vol/video
20:12.38xingudares dustybin to press the emergency power isolation button for the whole datacenter
20:12.39Kobazdustybin: lvextend is a safe operation
20:12.52dustybinhm ok
20:13.07dustybinInvalid argument %FREE
20:13.15dustybingrrrr
20:13.20Kobazi've never used %FREE
20:13.34dustybinits written in the man pages
20:13.38SerajewelKSdustybin: if you have an X server running, there's a GUI lvm tool you can use :)
20:13.42Kobazoh
20:13.56Kobazdustybin: they mean you need to replace %FREE with the free space you want to extend to
20:14.02Kobaztype pvs
20:14.06Kobazget the free space
20:14.15Kobazand do -L+1.5G
20:14.15Trampdustybin: I think it wants the percentage of free extends to use (i.e. 30%FREE)
20:14.19karvusright, so my failing apt-get update doesn't intrigue anyone here, is my next stop a rephrase,  debian.org/bugs, or something else?
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20:14.26Kobazor whatever the size is
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20:14.32Kifahhey guys
20:14.44TrampKobaz: I think also the "%FREE" is meant literal (just with a number in front)
20:14.49dustybinKobaz: there is a way to let lvextend use the remaining free space automatically, i had it written down once :(
20:14.49Kobazpossibly
20:14.53Kobazi've never used it
20:14.54Kifahi locked myself from reaching my server by a wrong iptables command....i used webmin, anyone knows where i can disable it?
20:15.00Kifahi am on the server now in rescue mode
20:15.05Kifahand can see all folders
20:15.19Kifahbut dunno which script to edit to disable iptables at next bootup
20:15.32dustybinchroot into it and iptables --flush ?
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20:16.05Kifahchroot? you mean ssh? i cannot ssh if server boots normally...i blocked all traffic
20:16.06Kobazdustybin: you can unlink /etc/rc<runlevel>.d/*iptables*
20:16.11Kifahso i need to edit some script of bootup
20:16.32Kobazdustybin: i <3 lvm
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20:17.05karvuskifah: do you know if you have something like shorewall, or something like that installed?
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20:17.31jelly-ho!webmin
20:17.31dpkgit has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
20:18.19karvusshoving table knives into electrical outlets sounds like fun, though.
20:18.42dob1how can i pass the output of deborphan to apt-get ?
20:18.55Kobazyeah
20:19.35xingukarvus: try shoving graphite from clutch pencils or whatever into them :)
20:19.51luke3321yeah, dont try table knives
20:19.53luke3321it hurts
20:19.58luke3321just take my word for it
20:19.59Kifahdpkg well fine, i learned that now...but the question is how to rescue :)
20:19.59dpkgKifah: I think you lost me on that one
20:20.03karvusoooh, more chance to watch the show, even
20:20.07dustybinlvcreate -l 100%FREE to create an LV using all available space.
20:20.14dustybinmaybe that would work
20:20.14Kobazdustybin: interesting
20:20.19Kobazdustybin: oh
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20:20.27Kobazdustybin: lemme know if that works, i would be interested
20:20.34dustybini need to use extend
20:20.37dustybinok
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20:20.53Kobazdustybin: lvm is so awesome... i thought i hosed my entire array, but then i realized lvm keeps meta data backups in /etc/lvm
20:21.19karvuscool
20:21.19dustybinaye it is good
20:22.31dustybinok i run it
20:22.33dustybinprivate:~# lvextend -l 100%FREE /dev/hmb-vol/video  New size given (77186 extents) not larger than existing size (102400 extents)
20:23.01karvusI remember, with pain, the incident that initiated my habit of backing up my partition tables.
20:23.11Doonz2I mounted two raid arrays ,they were mounted in /home/server/rs1 and /home/server/rs2. On the desktop the array that was mounted in /home/server/rs1 shows up on the desktop as 2000.4 Gb Media and the one mounted in /home/server/rs2 shows up as rs2 on the desktop Im trying to figure out where that label 2000.4Gb Media came from and howto change it to rs1. Any ideas?
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20:23.46Kifahdoes rc.local execute on bootup? so i can do an iptables flush in it
20:23.51Kifahand problem solved i hope
20:23.57valdynDoonz2: it has no label so its named after its size iirc
20:24.36karvus(before I had any tools that could make a good guess of where my partition boundaries where, after the screwup, of course)
20:24.37valdynKifah: why would you need to flush on bootup?
20:24.47valdynKifah: iptables is not persistent across reboots
20:24.49karvus*were
20:25.09Doonz2valdyn,  how do i go about making it the same as the other one?
20:25.42valdynDoonz2: man e2label
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20:26.57Kobazdustybin: so how big is your lvm
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20:27.22Kobazdustybin: i've been thinking of moving my file server to opensolaris and use zfs
20:27.32Kobazdustybin: there's the solabuntu distro too
20:27.33Kifahvaldyn well i used some stupid webmin to activate it, i think it is presistant somewhere, but cannot disable the webmin script
20:27.48valdynKifah: you mean you cant find it?
20:27.53KobazNexenta it's called
20:27.59Kobazhttp://foss-boss.blogspot.com/2008/11/nexenta-can-you-say-solabuntu-part1.html
20:28.01valdynKifah: funny - alright
20:28.17valdynKifah: question is if rc.local is run before or after that script that you cant find
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20:29.28Doonz2valdyn, the raid array i mounted  into /home/server/rs2 when i click on porperties on the decktop it doesnt show all the same property tabs as the other array
20:31.03karvusaddition to all of you who are eager to help me fix my apt-get update; I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade that completed with no problems (hundreds of packages), but after that, my apt-get upgrade still ends with that annoying error.
20:31.05ilaihohi!
20:31.16ilaihodoes lenny run on virtualbox w/o module-assistant
20:32.25luke3321ilaiho: what do you mean "without module-assistant"?
20:32.30bierhey there... i have a problem with my network card. i have debian running imside of a kvm virtual machine (host is also debian). i needed to change the mac address of the interface that the guest is using. now when i boot that guest, eth0 is named "eth0_rename"... 1) why is it called eth0_rename now, and 2) how can i re-rename it to eth0?
20:32.32jelly-hoilaiho: a lenny as a guest?
20:32.50valdyn!eth_rename
20:32.54valdyn!eth0_rename
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20:33.03valdynbier: that indicates that renaming failed
20:33.18valdynbier: eth0_rename is an intermediate name used by the script that renames interfaces
20:33.36rdzhi all. is it possible to deliberately resolve domains wrongly? for a live action role playing we plan to fake some websites and it would be good, if the player would be directed to fake websites, when entering an existing url. any ideas about how to do it?
20:33.46valdyn!z25
20:33.46dpkgAs of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules .  If you want the mappings to change, edit that file.  See <forcedeth mac>.  As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules .
20:33.51valdynbier: read ^^
20:34.08Kobazoooooo
20:34.09SparFuxThe idea with /etc-TAGs is a blast! I wish I had practiced this years-old idea all the time!
20:34.12chordoggrdz: you could do that with the /etc/hosts file, but you need root access to modify it
20:34.20bierah, i heard of that file a while ago already
20:34.23bierthank you
20:34.32Kobazthat's how you fix the eth mappings
20:34.34jelly-hordz: /etc/hosts entries, or dns entries, or http proxy, or a transparent http proxy
20:34.38rdzchordogg, this is not a problem, i have root access
20:34.53rdzjelly-ho, what is the easiest to do?
20:34.59ilaihojelly-ho: yes
20:35.06jelly-hordz: in approximate order of escalating complexity
20:35.12ilaihoi have xubuntu host
20:35.19rdzjelly-ho, thanks a lot
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20:35.30jelly-hoilaiho: it ought to "just work"
20:35.31SparFuxrdz: In SWAT4 there is an adserver spyware. There are tutorials that one should redirect hte ad servers in /etc/hosts to localhost to block them. This is no problem. You can do it.
20:35.48ilaihojelly-ho: thank you
20:35.50biervaldyn: thanks, it works :-D
20:36.02jelly-hoilaiho: NO WARRANTY
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20:36.37rdzjelly-ho, SparFux, thanks a lot for your suggestions
20:37.02SparFuxyou can even do this in windows. it has a host file too. I don't remember where it is.
20:37.26NeaaiQuick question: How can I fix this?     perl: warning: Setting locale failed.     It appears when I apt-get anything.
20:37.40fr00gunable to install new version of `./usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/ small/16x16/application-x-font-bdf.svgz': No such file or directory  <-- can someone help me with that?
20:37.45jelly-hordz: once you redirect a hostname with /etc/hosts, you need to have a fake web server on that IP but I guess you already know that
20:38.12jelly-hoNeaai: dpkg-reconfigure locales
20:38.18rdzjelly-ho, yeah, of course..i guess, i just run apache on my box
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20:40.03valdynNeaai: apt-get install locales-all
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20:40.50SparFuxvaldyn: yes, but does one have to install all the locales every time? I think I only need two of them, de and us.
20:40.58jelly-hovaldyn: eww.
20:41.02valdyn!locales
20:41.02dpkgUse `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running.  This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) or /etc/default/locale (etch or newer) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
20:41.10Neaaijelly-ho: I got lines of these from the reconfigure locales:      ar_IQ.UTF-8.../usr/sbin/locale-gen: line 53: 16348 Killed                  localedef -i $input -c -f $charset -A /usr/share/locale/locale.alias $locale
20:41.10valdynSparFux: now you have to read all this ^^^
20:41.27jelly-hoNeaai: running a grsecurity kernel?
20:41.38valdynjelly-ho: not like thats a large package
20:41.57Neaaijelly-ho: no. Actually I just removed the SHV4 rootkit ... :/
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20:42.19edwin_quijadaHi!
20:42.32jelly-hoNeaai: _something_ is sending a KILL signal to localedef
20:42.37edwin_quijadaI am trying to install another NIC into my debian but I get this error
20:42.49SparFuxvaldyn: Yes, so I can just create the locales I need or use locales-all.
20:42.53edwin_quijadaeth1: ERROR while getting interface flags:
20:42.57valdynSparFux: yes
20:42.58Neaaijelly-ho: how can I find out what is doing that?
20:43.11valdynNeaai: its the parent dieing
20:43.15edwin_quijadaI can see with lspci -v the NIC
20:43.22valdynNeaai: theres nothing waiting and actively killing
20:43.36Neaaivaldyn: the "apt-get install locales-all" completed ok.
20:43.42jelly-hoNeaai: if you had grsecurity / PaX enabled kernel, I'd say check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log
20:43.45SparFuxNeaai: LOL
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20:44.17NeaaiSparFux: well it happened to me too, yea :)
20:44.38valdynNeaai: you want to use debsums to check the integrety of your files
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20:44.50SparFuxThe file passwd- is it just a copy?
20:44.50valdynNeaai: and hope that debsums was not tampered with
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20:45.40jelly-hoSparFux: no
20:45.49SparFuxjelly: what is the point of passwd-
20:45.49Neaaivaldyn: I'll do that right now. Till now I removed a lot of things manually that is SHV4 and SHV5 related.
20:46.00jelly-hoSparFux: it is an _older_ version
20:46.14jelly-honot _just_ a copy
20:46.14Neaaivaldyn: and also replaced/reinstalled all files/packages involved.
20:46.15SparFuxjelly: but I can savely remove it and it will be recreated?
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20:46.33fr00ghttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fde.pastebin.ca%2Fraw%2F1267993&ei=6FcwSdbHIYP60AXgvMDDCw&usg=AFQjCNHo2OQ5dW7HMrP5T0Ki8jcrTcaf5g&sig2=n4J6livLIxSx7CTV20AhMA
20:46.34jelly-hoSparFux: next time /etc/passwd is changed using normal tools; yes
20:46.46fr00gcould someone help me with that?
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20:47.14jelly-hofr00g: can we get a shorter url?
20:47.17valdynfr00g: why are you asking for help with experimental packages?
20:47.19SparFuxThat's great. Because my new system has other ids and I have to fix passwd, group, shadow and gshadow. But I cna ignore the - files.
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20:48.16jelly-hoSparFux: uh... didn't I strongly suggest the other day to install the base system, restore passwd/shadow/group/gshadow, and THEN install any other packages?
20:48.20fr00ghttp://de.pastebin.ca/raw/1267993
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20:48.37SparFuxjellY: perhaps I was too nervous to listen to that :-(
20:48.51valdynfr00g: that no such file or directory can probably be worked around by creating the directory
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20:48.58SparFuxjelly: anyway, I can remove the packages containing the UIDs which have changed and THEN reinstall them. Right?
20:49.05jelly-hoSparFux: guess so
20:49.17jelly-hoSparFux: s/remove/purge/
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20:49.25SparFuxYes.
20:49.26EliteHow do i start my GUI from shell?
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20:49.28fr00gvaldyn: thanx
20:49.37Neaaivaldyn: debsums | grep FAILED  will show me anything compromised?
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20:49.43SparFuxjelly: the hard part will be to guess which packages installed which users / groups
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20:49.50jelly-hoSparFux: and be careful to purge everything (things like "clamav-common")
20:50.02valdynfr00g: and the overwrite issues need --force-overwrite, but this whole thing needs a user that can deal with any issues, youre using experimental
20:50.24valdynNeaai: probably more files than compromised ones
20:50.24SparFuxjelly: why that?
20:50.43Neaaivaldyn: what do you mean? False positives ?
20:50.49valdynNeaai: certainly if prelink is installed
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20:50.57jelly-hoSparFux: you have to purge the actual package that creates the user
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20:51.11Neaaivaldyn: I don't know what that is so I guess it's not installed.
20:51.14jelly-hoSparFux: egrep -l 'adduser|useradd' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.{pre,post}inst
20:51.48dustybini got a serious problem and need some help, i have unmounted all my lvm partitions.
20:52.08fr00gvaldyn: --already tried --force-overwrite, but got error, tat i hav pasted earlier... anyhow i haven't noticed, it shouldn't asked for help with lenny in this channel
20:52.16Doonz2is there a command that will let me see how fast a file is being transfered from a usb drive to a hard drive?
20:52.22dustybinif i issue the vgdisplay command, it says: Free  PE / Size       77186 / 301.51 GB
20:52.40dustybinso that means i can add 301.51GB onto a logical volume?
20:53.07SparFuxjelly: Yes, that's a good idea to look it up in the database.
20:53.13valdyndustybin: yes
20:53.14jelly-hoDoonz2: as it is going?   iostat can show you total transfer numbers on a device
20:53.16EliteHow do i start my GUI from shell?
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20:53.39SparFuxBye for today. Have a nice chat dudes. See you tomorrow.
20:53.48fr00gvaldyn: creating dir didn't helped
20:53.49Doonz2ok
20:54.01valdynfr00g: which dir did you create?
20:54.05dustybinvaldyn: lvextend -L+301.51g /dev/hmb-vol/video     <-- this should work?
20:54.39valdyndustybin: if rounding works to your favour, id use extends to fill to maximum
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20:54.54valdyn*extents*
20:54.55dustybinvaldyn: how do you do that? i been trying to figure that out all evening
20:55.11valdyndustybin: just use -l +<value>
20:55.17valdyndustybin: instead of -L
20:55.36dustybinlvextend -l+301.51g /dev/hmb-vol/video
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20:55.55valdyndustybin: thats not extents, thats gigabyte
20:56.06valdyndustybin: lvextend -l+77186
20:56.07dustybinbloody heck, what are extents?
20:56.09Kobaz-l is extents  -L is size
20:56.16Kobazdustybin: allocateable units
20:56.20dustybino_0
20:56.29Kobazdustybin: do this...
20:56.30fr00gvaldyn: /usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16//usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/
20:56.34valdyndustybin: thats just lvm speak for the smallest allocatable units
20:56.39fr00gvaldyn:and ./usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16//usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/
20:56.41Kobazlvextend -L+300G /dev/hmb-vol/video
20:56.51Kobazdustybin: and then do pvs again
20:56.53valdynfr00g: ok, geey
20:56.55Kobazdustybin: and then add the rest
20:56.55valdynfr00g: ok, geez
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20:57.17Kobazdustybin: if i have 301.7G free in an lvm... -L+301.7G will never work
20:57.22dustybinprivate:~#  lvextend -L+300G /dev/hmb-vol/video Extending logical volume video to 700.00 GB Logical volume video successfully resized
20:57.28fr00gvaldyn: eh, so which shoud i ?
20:57.29valdyn/usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/mimetypes/small/16x16/ should have sufficed
20:57.30dustybinthat looks like it worked this time
20:57.33Kobazdustybin: so i add like 300G and then add the remaining free in MB
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20:57.44fr00gvaldyn: sorry, pasted too much
20:57.46Kobazdustybin: okay, now do 'pvs'
20:57.58fr00gvaldyn: it what i meant
20:58.04dustybinTHAT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:58.06dustybinLV Size                700.00 GB
20:58.09EliteHow do i start my GUI from shell?
20:58.17Kobazdustybin: yeah but you have more space to divvy
20:58.22Kobazdustybin: list the free space again
20:58.46dustybinKobaz: Free  PE / Size       386 / 1.51 GB
20:58.46valdyni cant wait him telling us that he has a fs that does not support growing
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20:59.02dustybinvaldyn: ext3 :P
20:59.04Kobazdustybin: okay.. now do lvextend -L+1.51G /dev/hmb-vol/video
20:59.20valdynwhy not -l386 ?
20:59.26dustybinInsufficient free space: 387 extents needed, but only 386 available
20:59.27Kobazdustybin: that should work too
20:59.27valdynwhy not -l+386 ?
20:59.30_gpg_Is there any chanel dedicated to embedded debian please ?
20:59.53valdyn!embedded
20:59.56Kobazdustybin: yeah, that's the problem i get... so do a smaller size or do what valdyn suggested (which is something i didn't think of before)
21:00.09Kobazdustybin: lvextend -l386 /dev/hmb-vol/video
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21:00.18Kobazdustybin: and then you should have all your free space allocated
21:00.38Kobaz-l+386
21:00.45dustybinaye ok thanks
21:00.53puffAnyone familiar with chkrootkit?
21:01.14valdynpuff: why dont you ask your real question?
21:01.17dustybinFree  PE / Size       0 / 0
21:01.19dustybin:)
21:01.21Kobazdustybin: yay
21:01.25dustybinThanks
21:01.26Kobazdustybin: now you need to make a filesystem
21:01.28EliteHow do i start my GUI from shell?
21:01.36Kobazdustybin: if you didn't make one already
21:01.38valdynElite: run /etc/init.d/gdm start
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21:01.55dustybinresize2fs /dev/hmb-vol/video
21:01.55Kobazdustybin: is this a new lvm, or are you expanding an existing one
21:02.02dustybinexpanding existing
21:02.05Kobazokay
21:02.07Kobazyeah resize
21:02.14Kobazyou may need to fsck first
21:02.19EliteSays not found :S
21:02.20Kobazresize2fs will warn you, if you do
21:02.25dustybinok
21:02.28Elitedo I need to install it first maybe?
21:02.33dustybini did a check earlier
21:02.38Kobazk
21:02.41Kobazdid you ru the command yet?
21:02.44dustybinResizing the filesystem on /dev/hmb-vol/video to 183896064 (4k) blocks.
21:02.45valdynElite: maybe you need to install the "gui" first too
21:02.47Kobazaww
21:02.48puffvaldyn: So you're no familiar with chkrootkit then?
21:02.51Kobazyou could have given it
21:02.56Kobaz-p
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21:03.01Kobazand it will show you progress
21:03.06dustybinaye ok
21:03.08valdynpuff: thats none of your business really till you have a valid support request
21:03.23dustybinlvm is pretty dam cool
21:03.32Kobazdustybin: that's fine though, so now go make some coffee, take a walk in the park, and come back and check it
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21:03.56dustybinbecause we now have motherboards with 10+ onboard SATA connections, and the boards are running pretty dam fast, is linux software RAID now a pretty good option to use?
21:03.59puffvaldyn: okay, can you explain chkrootkit's warning messages then?
21:04.12Kobazdustybin: i've been using linux software raid1 for years
21:04.14valdynpuff: which warning message?
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21:04.15stewpuff: which messages?
21:04.22puffvaldyn: most of them.
21:04.27valdynpuff: geey
21:04.27dustybinKobaz: nice
21:04.28valdynpuff: geez
21:04.29puffstew: most of them.
21:04.33Kobazdustybin: i have a fileserver with 10 hdd's raid1'd together, and then lvm'd
21:04.33EliteHow do I install the gui?
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21:04.44puffvaldyn: I can't xmanfind
21:05.07valdynpuff: you could just tell us which warning precisely you dont understand
21:05.08dustybinKobaz: using kernel RAID?
21:05.15puffvaldyn, stew:  I can't find docs on chkrootkit's warning messages.
21:05.18Kobazyeah, raid1
21:05.23Kobazdustybin: + lvm
21:05.25puffvaldyn: I haven't understood any of them.
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21:05.29dmoernerin the past 5 hrs i have gotten 3 notification windows in GNOME saying I had a kernel oops and asking if i wanted to report it. how do i see the actual content of the oops?
21:05.30valdynpuff: but you certainly cant expect us to write about each warning message
21:05.33dustybinKobaz: are you using PCI Sata controller cards?
21:05.38Kobazdustybin: yeah
21:05.45dustybinKobaz: PCI old style?
21:05.51Kobazdustybin: two 4-port sata controllers
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21:05.52stewpuff: what is an example of a warning message you don't understand?
21:05.53Kobazyeah
21:06.01Kobazspeed is kinda so-so
21:06.03Elitevaldyn: how do I install the gui?
21:06.05dustybinKobaz: is there enough bandwidth on old style PCI ?
21:06.07Kobazbut speed isn't important for me here
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21:06.10valdynElite: kde or gnome_
21:06.13valdynElite: kde or gnome?
21:06.19Kobazyea, i'll get like 50mb/sec for a mirror sync
21:06.26KobazMB
21:06.34Kobazmegabytes not bits
21:06.39valdynElite: "dont know" is a good answer too
21:06.40dustybinKobaz: you can now get motherboards with 10 onboard SATA ports, PCI-E boards, i imagine kernel RAID would work pretty dam fast on those?
21:06.41EliteWhich one looks the least like ubuntu?
21:06.45Kobazyeah
21:06.57valdynElite: gnome -> "aptitude install xorg gdm gnome"
21:07.12valdynElite: ops
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21:07.20valdynElite: that was "looks the most like ubuntu"
21:07.25puffstew: hang on, I'll open up my root mailbox.
21:07.37valdynElite: "aptitude install xorg kdm kde"
21:08.07valdyndustybin: no
21:08.17dustybinvaldyn: why not?
21:08.28valdyndustybin: i dont really know
21:08.32dustybin?
21:08.39valdyndustybin: ..the reason, i just see its not that fast
21:08.57dustybinvaldyn: there should be enough bandwidth?
21:09.06valdyndustybin: yea, there should be
21:09.22dustybinhmmm
21:09.32puffstew: You have     4 process hidden for readdir command
21:09.43puffstew: You have     4 process hidden for ps command
21:09.43valdyndustybin: linux caching is slow for this
21:09.55dustybinright i see
21:09.56Kobazdustybin: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112169
21:10.05Kobazdustybin: i have a slightly older model of that case
21:10.07Kobazdustybin: heh
21:10.07valdyndustybin: direct_io doubles my raw speed
21:10.24Kobazdustybin: you can fit like, a boatload of hard drives
21:10.24valdyndustybin: i dont think it matters, real load isnt just raw stream read / write anyway
21:10.29dustybinKobaz: wow nice, i use lian-li cases too
21:10.44puffstew: Warning: Possible LKM Trojan installed
21:10.46dustybinvaldyn: aye ok
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21:11.06puffstew: Possible LPD worm installed
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21:11.32Kobazdustybin: hmm, that case in the link isn't as good as the one i have... my case has a really nice hdd mount system
21:11.40puffstew: warning, got bogus unix line.
21:12.02puffstew: warning, got bogus tcp line.
21:12.45Kobazhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112189
21:12.54Kobazah, it's that case that i have... and it's $100 cheaper
21:13.04Kobazanyways
21:13.11Kobazback to compiling stuff
21:13.12dustybincan doing lots of extending and shrinking on LVM partitions ruin your hard drive?
21:13.15RichiHwhat is puff?
21:13.23RichiHoh, he is pasting stuff
21:13.29RichiHstows the banhammer
21:14.12Kobazdustybin: you have to be *really* careful with shrinking
21:14.30Kobazdustybin: you have to make sure that you resize the *filesystem* before shrinking the lvm
21:14.35Kobazor you will lose data
21:14.39valdyndustybin: ruin you harddrive?
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21:14.46dustybinvaldyn: aye?
21:14.47valdyndustybin: you dont really mean that, do you?
21:14.48Kobazto solve that problem... i just never shrink
21:14.53dustybinvaldyn: yep?
21:14.53puffRichiH: Digging through anacron emails for chkrootkit warning examples.
21:15.00dustybinKobaz: ok frank
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21:15.22Elitehow do I make it so I use kde?
21:15.23Kobazheh
21:15.24valdyndustybin: growing and shrinking doesnt strain your harware more than reading a text file and writing a small text file
21:15.42Kobazvaldyn: growing is very easy on the drive
21:15.54dustybinvaldyn: oh i didnt know that
21:15.56puffIf I have three partitions, is it possible to shrink the third partition and grow the middle partition?
21:15.57Kobazvaldyn: shrinking is stressful, i would compare it to doing a defrag
21:16.05valdynuh
21:16.13valdynif defrag was needed, yes
21:16.22valdynbut either way for harddisks its irrelevant
21:16.25CeleronBrainCan I have two threads/processes writing to the Linux framebuffer simultaneously?
21:16.42Kobazvaldyn: shrinking will involve lots of data moving if you have data at end of the partition
21:16.43puffI have (besides swap,so I guess 4 partitions) 5.5GB /usr, 5.5GB /var, and 114GB /home.  /home has 32GB free, but /var keeps filling up to 99% or 100% due ot occasional virusspam surges.
21:16.52valdynKobaz: aye, thats what i meant
21:17.07Kobazvaldyn: the hard drive doesn't care, i agree
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21:17.21Kobazvaldyn: but shrinking is more intensive an operation than saving a.txt to /tmp
21:17.28valdynKobaz: ok, yes
21:17.56puffThis is somewhat ironic, since my whole reason for having separate /usr and /var partitions to begin with was to keep users from filling up the drive and causing problems with system processes that write to /var.
21:18.03Kobazheh
21:18.17Kobaztime to expand /var
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21:18.25Kobazor install spamassassin
21:18.29puffKobaz: Yeah, well that was my question.  Can it be done?
21:18.36valdynor use quotas
21:18.36puffKobaz: spamassassin and amavis arethe problem.
21:18.41natsukaohello
21:18.44puffvaldyn: Quotas suck.
21:18.58Kobazpuff: the easy way: move your email storage to /home, and symlink it from /var
21:19.04puffKobaz: spamassassin/amavis quarantine virus emails in /var/lib/amavis.
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21:19.15Kobazpuff: less easy way, resize /home, add more space to /var
21:19.29puffKobaz: Yeah, I considered linking, etc, but I hate having stuff be non-standard.
21:19.32valdyni would put this spam on a seperate partition
21:19.34puffKobaz: That's whatI was asking about.
21:19.52Kobazpuff: or add another hard drive specifically for spam... get one of those new fangled 1TB's
21:20.00puffKobaz: I've been consideringit.
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21:21.06puffKobaz:  This is basically a perosnal linux server that I maintain for myself and about a dozen friends, who are all programmers.  I've been thinking of getting a new box that has enough space for one drive per programmer.  That way everybody has to manage his own drive space :-).
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21:21.46puffSo are you saying it *is* possible to shrink /home and grow /var?
21:21.46Kobazheh
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21:21.54Kobazpuff: yeah... make backups
21:22.08puffAh... back up the system, repartition, restore?
21:22.11Kobazno
21:22.17Kobazmake backups in case you hose everything
21:22.20puffYeah.
21:22.23Kobazapt-cache show parted
21:22.31KobazGNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions.
21:22.37Kobaza-la partition magic
21:22.40Kobazbut free, and oss
21:22.55puffI need a good backup system,sigh.
21:23.00Kobazbackuppc
21:23.14Kobazapt-cache show backuppc
21:23.24Kobazit's super super easy, and very awesome
21:23.31Kobazi use it for the office
21:23.38puffKobaz:  Cool.
21:23.39Kobazback up 7 workstations
21:23.45Kobazonly using 4 gigs of space
21:23.54Kobazand those are full backups
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21:29.57mylastbreathlooking to dl a current copy of debian as a bootable cd, it appears that there are multiple cd's for install, is debian available as a single cd iso for a i386?
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21:31.06PinkFreudmylastbreath: depends on if you want packages or not.
21:31.22PinkFreudif you're looking for all packages, you'll need a dvd image
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21:31.59PinkFreudif you'd rather only download what you want to install, you might do better with the netinst iso (~180MB)
21:32.19PinkFreudthat one installs a base debian system, lets you select package groups, and downloads + installs
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21:34.29dustybina little while ago i had a serious problem with ALSA and my soundcard on Lenny, so i compiled ALSA using source code downloaded from ALSA website, today I make clean and make dist clean, did a big Lenny update, but when I now try and install alsa i get these errors: http://paste.debian.net/22463/
21:34.35dustybinwhat can i do to clean my kernel out?
21:35.10Guerindustybin: use a kernel brush
21:35.11mylastbreathsounds like a single dvd iso might be the best option then, what would the packages provide? i'm learning a lot still
21:35.53dustybinGuerin: apt-cache search kernel brush  no results?
21:36.28dustybinwhat would happen if i manually deleted
21:36.29dustybin/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/i2c/
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21:37.18Guerindustybin: maybe you need to contact a third-party provider. Outsource your unique requirements to a best-of-breed solutions architect for greater strategic agility going forward.
21:37.36dustybin?
21:37.39EliteI just installed kdm will that remove gdm?
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21:40.08dustybinhow can i wipe my entire kernel, and install a fresh new one ?
21:40.14dustybinincluding all the modules?
21:40.25valdyndustybin: theres nothing to tune with your kernel, its already ok
21:40.46dustybinWARNING: Error inserting snd_mpu401_uart (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/drivers/mpu401/snd-mpu401-uart.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
21:40.47valdyn!kernel fetish
21:40.50valdynoo
21:41.00valdyndustybin: who told you to use insmod?
21:41.01dustybinvaldyn: those are kernel modules ^^
21:41.14dustybinvaldyn: i get that error when i do alsaconf
21:41.42valdyndustybin: no problem
21:41.47Elitewhen I boot my debian it says waiting for root file system
21:41.55EliteWhat could this be caused by
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21:42.17valdynElite: did it ever boot up ok?
21:42.50dustybinvaldyn: if i did: rm /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686
21:42.52EliteYes
21:42.55dustybinhow can i get it back again?
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21:43.16valdyndustybin: restore from backup or reinstall the package
21:43.21dustybinace
21:43.24dustybinill try that then
21:43.38valdynwhats the point?
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21:44.01dustybinvaldyn: i think when i compiled ALSA using source code from ALSA website, its put some shit in there
21:44.03Elitevaldyn, yes it did boot okay last time which was about 3 minutes ago
21:44.04MattJHi all, I'm guessing the answer is no, but is it possible to install a .deb using apt?
21:44.19valdynElite: so something you just did fucked it up
21:44.24ilaihoMattJ: No?
21:44.29MattJilaiho: Thanks :)
21:44.33ilaihoyou need to use dpkg -i
21:44.39EliteI just added 2 disks on a RADI card
21:44.40MattJdpkg doesn't fetch dependencies :/
21:44.41dpkgno idea, MattJ
21:44.48valdynElite: its not a raid card
21:45.17l3xterIm running debian5, some bugs, but working well, will debian 5 work out of the box with my eepc 900 ?
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21:45.49dustybinvaldyn: this is my dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/22464/   something is seriously buggered up
21:46.06Elitevaldyn: what do you mean?
21:46.09valdynElite: you have a mismatch between bios disk order ( your debian still seems to be the first ) and the order in which linux "detects" the disks
21:46.18valdynElite: i mean that its not a raid card
21:46.34EliteYes it is, they are running off a raid card
21:46.51valdyndustybin: what did you install ?
21:46.59valdyndustybin: some new alsa modules?
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21:47.29dustybinvaldyn: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-oss
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21:47.42dustybinbut before that i manually compiled ALSA
21:47.50dustybinthats whats buggered it up
21:47.56ilaihoMattJ: If you install with Gdebi, it will solve dependencies
21:47.57valdyndustybin: just reboot
21:48.02dustybinok
21:48.10MattJilaiho: Ah, that's good to know, thanks
21:48.23ilaihoGdebi is the graphical app
21:48.31valdyndustybin: if that doesnt fix it then you also have a mismatch between alsa drivers and libasound, but thats unlikely i think
21:49.07valdyndustybin: you have loaded modules from original alsa and are trying to load new modules
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21:49.54valdyn!fake raid
21:49.59valdyn!sata raid
21:49.59dpkgThe FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html
21:50.03valdynElite: ^^^
21:50.20ilaihoMattJ: This is also interesting: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2007-05/msg01340.html
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21:51.10MattJilaiho: Aha, indeed it is... thanks
21:52.01EliteNo its RAID its a SIL 0680 RADI card don't try and argue an assumption against the fact that I have the hardware
21:52.44valdynElite: you dont understand
21:52.48valdynElite: this is not a raid controller
21:53.34valdynElite: but fortunately that fact is not relevant to your issue
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21:54.09EliteIt is I boot adn it says "Press F3 to enter RAID setup"
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21:54.20valdynElite: yes, i knew that
21:54.37valdynElite: i made dpkg post a link that explains it
21:54.41valdynElite: see above
21:54.49EliteWhatever
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21:55.34EliteThis fucking debian won't boot!!!
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21:55.44valdynElite: it cant, yes, hold on
21:55.59valdynElite: it would be nice if you could post a photograph of the error screen
21:56.05dustybinvaldyn: i just rebooted, launched alsaconf, then this: http://paste.debian.net/22465/
21:56.06CeleronBrainElite is a known troll. Ignore him!
21:56.26CeleronBrainElite was trolling ##programming earlier.
21:56.55valdyndustybin: i think you have duplicate modules
21:57.04dustybinshite
21:57.14valdyndustybin: look into /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
21:57.40Elitewell I restarted a few more times and everytime it has said /dev/hdb1 cannot be found, and CeleronBrain shut up that was you telling people that you didn't care and stuff I asked if someone could code me a mac driver help was given and I left
21:58.18valdynElite: hit E in grub, change hdb1 to hdc1 or hdd1 or hda1
21:58.36CeleronBrainElite: No, you're a troll trying to waste people's time. That was not a reasonable request. Troll.
21:58.52EliteYes it was!
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21:58.58EliteNow you are trolling here
21:58.59valdynjust someone w/ no idea what writing a driver involves
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21:59.22FirefisheWhere can I find dev builds for debian kernel x.x.27 kernels?
21:59.35valdynFirefishe: what is "dev builds" ?
21:59.45CeleronBrainWhatever. Don't waste your time. I already wasted my time on Elite earlier. He's impossible to help because he's a troll.
22:00.11Firefishevaldyn:   dev means `development'
22:00.20valdynFirefishe: yea, knew that
22:00.31valdynFirefishe: what is "dev builds" to a kernel ?
22:01.06valdynFirefishe: or what are you trying to do with the thing you call "dev builds" ?
22:01.12dustybinvaldyn: valdyn i just removed every single debian alsa package, inside modules i still have alsa-driver
22:01.27dustybinshall i manually delete it
22:01.29valdyndustybin: not supposed to remove those alsa packages
22:01.47valdyndustybin: your original alsa drivers are still there aswell as your compiled alsa drivers
22:02.00Elitevaldyn: what do you mean hit e in grub?
22:02.01valdyndustybin: the original alsa drivers came with the kernel, not some alsa package
22:02.06dustybinohh ok
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22:02.19valdynElite: the screen you see when booting, there you hit E
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22:02.23valdynElite: E for edit
22:02.25Firefisheexperimental or otherwise `linux-image.x.x.27.x.deb kernels that developers have built, prior to 27 going stable.  I'm having issues with the ath9k module in wireless-compat-old as well as my Intel 82801I IH9 sound controller.
22:02.35Firefishevaldyn:   see above
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22:03.27FirefisheI have no sound in either speakers or headphone jack (and the jack may present itself as a problem, even after getting the speakers working), and the wi-fi driver issues as already mentioned.
22:03.28Elitevaldyn: grub edit> root (hd0, 0)
22:03.43valdynElite: yea
22:03.58Elitethats what it says by default is that right?
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22:04.23dustybinim stuck, valdyn shall i just rm  /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound  and re-install the kernel?
22:04.32valdynElite: that line is good, that line is using what the bios thinks is hd0 to load the kernel, that part works for you
22:05.03valdynElite: your kernel is not finding the root filesystem, kernel is using something like /dev/hdb1 to reference a filesystem
22:05.35valdyndustybin: you should remove your self compiled alsa modules
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22:06.06valdyndustybin: i dont know where those are, probably just /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/sound
22:06.18dustybinvaldyn: i havent a clue where they are, i entered the alsa dirs and did: make clean  and  make dist clean  but it still didnt clean them out
22:06.47Firefishevaldyn:   I'm looking for, experimental or otherwise `linux-image.x.x.27.x.deb kernels that developers have built, prior to 27 going stable.  I'm having issues with the ath9k module in wireless-compat-old as well as my Intel 82801I IH9 sound controller.
22:07.08dustybinvaldyn: im going to apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-486   boot into that kernel, then apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.26-1-686  <-- that should clean everything out. then ill install it again
22:07.12CeleronBrainElite: So you gave up on the Rednecktosh/OSX86 already?
22:07.31valdyndustybin: no that wont remove your self compiled modules
22:07.39dustybinvaldyn: arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:07.43dustybinim doomed
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22:07.50valdyndustybin: man find, you already know that they are in /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/
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22:07.55valdyndustybin: not very difficult
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22:08.06CeleronBrainvaldyn: find / -name madonna
22:08.06valdynFirefishe: i doubt those are easy to find
22:08.26dustybinvaldyn: if i manually delete: rm /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686    <-- that _would_ get rid of those self compiled modules?
22:08.33valdyndustybin: yes
22:08.45valdyndustybin: remove that, then purge kernel, then install kernel
22:08.47dustybinvaldyn: and to get it back ill just do a apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 ?
22:09.00dustybinright ok thanks :)
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22:09.20dustybinvaldyn: but before i do that i need to boot into another kernel
22:09.26valdyndustybin: no
22:09.31EliteCeleronBrain, no I still have it this is on my server and its a POS (debian) because its not working and its properly installed and that so fuck it
22:09.47dustybinvaldyn: how can i remove and purge a kernel im already using?
22:09.49CeleronBrainrofl
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22:09.56valdyndustybin: by just doing it
22:09.58EliteI have to go bye
22:10.01dustybineek ok
22:10.04dustybinhere we go
22:10.32valdyndustybin: you *may* want to boot into a different kernel just to know with certainty that you have a backup kernel to boot from
22:10.48valdyndustybin: but purgeing the running kernel isnt a problem
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22:11.20jbergim trying to update debian lenny with apt-zip, however it's been so long since i did apt-get update so the downloader script can't find most of the packages. my sources.list has deb ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free, should i download the Release and Release.gpg from http://ftp.no.debian.org/dists/debian/lenny and also Packages.gz and Release from the {main,contrib,non-free}/binary-i386/ directories and run apt-zip-lists wi
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22:13.48dustybinvaldyn: You are running a kernel (version 2.6.26-1-686) and attempting to remove the same version.
22:14.00dustybinIt is highly recommended to abort the kernel removal unless you are prepared to fix the system after removal.
22:14.12valdyndustybin: sure, i know
22:14.25dustybinso ill continue?
22:14.32valdyndustybin: sure
22:14.36dustybingets _very_ scared
22:14.59CeleronBraindustybin: Don't worry about it.
22:15.05dustybinshit, im still here!!!!
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22:15.27CeleronBraindustybin: Worst case senario is you'll be left with an unbootable system. You can always fix it.
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22:15.39dustybinCeleronBrain: i installed a backup kernel incase
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22:15.59dustybinnow ill reinstall it, ive rm the modules
22:16.30mid5Hi, what is the best soft under debian that I can use for a log server?
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22:16.52PinkFreudmid5: the one that works best for you.
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22:17.02dustybinvaldyn: i now have a fresh drwxr-xr-x  3 root root  4096 2008-11-28 22:16 2.6.26-1-686   :-)
22:17.21PinkFreudmid5: if there were a 'best', would it truly be worthwhile for alternatives to exist?  :)
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22:17.48x3275hi all, has anyone had any trouble with wireless networks  and network manager within the last couple of upgrades of  sid?
22:17.58cafuegoI prefer the log() calls in libmath
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22:18.11efaistoshmmm someone using xen ? just installed it and starts well until it starts xend and then it reboots :(
22:18.13PinkFreudsnerks
22:18.48cafuegouses xen but debian is domU, not dom0.
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22:20.03dustybinvaldyn: worked perfectly : thanks for help :)
22:20.05mid5PinkFreud, ok, but mm, I can do it with syslog and logwatch for example, or there are more like that'
22:20.05dustybinLoading driver...
22:20.07dustybinSetting default volumes...
22:20.07dustybinSaving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state.
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22:20.42PinkFreudmid5: indeed there are.  apt-cache search syslog.  :)
22:20.49mid5PinkFreud, I heard about syslog-ng
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22:21.02PinkFreudthat is one such alternative, yes
22:21.19cafuegomid5: See also fail2ban - which works with a syslogger and your firewall.
22:21.26mid5PinkFreud, Ok, I'll try to install and configure it
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22:21.50PinkFreudneither 'syslog' and 'syslog-ng' can be described as 'best', though - again, it comes down to which one works best *for your situation*
22:22.20mid5cafuego, ok, it's that I need, more information about soft or products, because I know only syslog
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22:22.49mid5PinkFreud, well, then syslog-ng can be a good idea
22:22.50valdyni dont see debian even having syslog
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22:23.05PinkFreudmid5: it can be.  personally, syslog works fine for me.
22:23.18efaistosnobody ?
22:23.22valdynPinkFreud: you really mean sysklogd
22:23.40Firefishehey PinkFreud
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22:23.45PinkFreudI'm not saying that syslog-ng isn't worth trying - I'm merely telling you that your expectation to find the 'best' software is unrealistic.  :)
22:23.54cafuegovaldyn: That's a package name, contain syslogd and klogd
22:23.58mid5yes, works fine for me too, but I don't know more about  how works in a log-server
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22:24.17PinkFreudvaldyn: Yes, if I were to mention the debian package name.
22:24.21PinkFreudFirefishe: hello
22:24.24cafuegomid5: a 'log server' is just a syslog server that receives logging events from other hosts via the network.
22:24.24valdyncafuego: "an extended version of bsd syslog", i dont know what that means
22:24.50cafuegovaldyn: It's BSD software with the normal BSD retardery taken out ;-)
22:24.59valdynoo
22:25.06cafuego</troll>
22:25.11mid5cafuego, exactly, I need to recieve events about my server in the network
22:25.22PinkFreudsends a bsd daemon after the troll
22:25.24PinkFreud:P
22:25.26cafuegomid5: The standard syslogd does that just fine.
22:25.32estharWhy is VLC in Debian when Avidemux has to be in debian-multimedia?  It seems that VLC has support for even more patented formats and CSS decryption to boot...?
22:25.38valdynmid5: maybe you really mean something like nagios
22:26.03valdynesthar: that support is in plugins?
22:26.17jelly-honagios and remote syslog aren't really used for same things
22:26.20valdynesthar: which are at least partially only available from debian-multimedia
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22:26.42valdynjelly-ho: sure, but i wonder if he isnt looking for something like nagios
22:26.48estharvaldyn: What support?  I mean VLC and MPlayer can decode any patented format including MP3s out of the box
22:26.51estharBut Amarok cannot?
22:27.15valdynesthar: uh?
22:27.26jelly-hoesthar: uh, amarok can too if you install the default engine (xine)
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22:27.56estharThe Debian VLC package can play patented formats but programs like Totem and Amarok complain about lack of plugins and I end up havign to install some gstreamer ffmpeg package or something or other to get it working
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22:28.00valdynesthar: i dont see any issues with decoding mp3 in debian
22:28.01cafuegomid5: The manpage for syslog.conf (man syslog.conf) explains how to set up the config file and 'man syslogd' explains how to make it accept events from specified hosts.
22:28.04mid5valdyn, the idea is that a log-server try to tell me about erros or warnings in all my servers, but, first I need to send this events a one server and then with logwatch or something like it, analyze and search for warnings and erros, and send a email or other
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22:28.08chfwiggumgd evening all
22:28.16estharI do.  It doesn't work with all programs out of the box.
22:28.30estharYou need to install obscure packages (for non-techie people) to get it working.
22:28.47chfwiggumhow do i install all .docs or in my case all kde-devs? tia
22:28.53jelly-hoesthar: perhaps you somehow managed not to have libxine1-ffmpeg installed
22:28.54valdynesthar: ffmpeg isnt mp3, theres plenty mp3 decoders in stock debian
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22:29.18cafuegomid5: *nod* nagios is kind of like a real-time system that monitors processes, system load, logged in users and many other things, and can send alerts via email, SMS, icq...
22:29.26estharWell then why does it not work by default in certain programs?
22:29.28mid5cafuego, well, I need to read about that, I see that I know for where I can begin
22:29.31estharIt must be due to patents...
22:29.34DominicusIf I've already installed a number of things on my Debian Etch system from Debian Lenny, and I keep getting lots of conflicts and messages about stuff being held back, what's the best approach to handling that? Just do an "aptitude dist-upgrade" after removing the Debian Main statements from my sources.lst file, or is there a better method?
22:29.38pipelinemid5, cafuego : nagios is NOT a log analyzire
22:29.39estharAmarok can play FLAC and Vorbis and WAV out of the box
22:29.45estharBut not MP3s or M4As...?
22:29.49Firefishegoode evenin' chfwiggum
22:29.50pipelinemid5: nagios is a monitor that can also log and graph its alerts
22:29.50cafuegopipeline: I just said as much.
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22:30.14jelly-hoesthar: which amarok engine are you using?
22:30.19mid5cafuego, pipeline, thanks for the explanation je ..:)
22:30.28pipelinemid5: log aggregators... yeah there's no pretty solution there.  Syslog-ng makes it a little easier to set up, but you're going to end up with a bespoke or commercial solution to actually read the aggregated log.
22:30.57pipelinemid5: I've heard nice things about splunk, but it's really stupidly expensive, and I just didn't see the point in the demo instance that someone set up.
22:31.03mid5pipeline, what about logwatch
22:31.24valdynmid5: there is plenty issues that are not covered by the logs
22:31.30pipelinemid5: never used it
22:31.36valdynmid5: that is what nagios is for, for instance
22:31.46valdynmid5: ( or lighter monitoring tools )
22:32.10pipelinenagios is terrible, but as far as I can tell, it's the least-terrible thing around.  The commercial equivalents are also terrible, eheh.
22:32.31mid5valdyn, Ok
22:32.55valdynhobbit - monitoring system for systems, networks and applications - server
22:33.04valdyndont know it, just found it
22:33.12valdyncacti - Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services
22:33.17valdynetc
22:33.27NeaaiWhat is the meaning of:    EXT2-fs warning (device hda1): ext2_fill_super: mounting ext3 filesystem as ext2
22:33.49valdynNeaai: you are mounting an ext3 fs as ext2 fs
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22:34.37mid5well, whit it I have information about it, and I can see more, for the moment I'll begin with syslog
22:34.53jelly-hopipeline: we still use netsaint 0.06, and I think it's more stable than nagios
22:35.11Neaaivaldyn: /etc/fstab has it properly as ext3. Is there anything else I have to check ?
22:35.26Neaaivaldyn: I get that error when booting a xen domU
22:35.26mid5thanks PinkFreud, pipeline, valdyn,  cafuego and at all ... :)
22:35.32valdynmid5: basically you always want to monitor more than logs on a server
22:35.54valdynNeaai: no idea
22:35.59cafuegovaldyn: cacti is nice, but not really suited to the same tasks as nagios.
22:37.21pipelinejelly-ho: I'll bet it is... and it doesn't do as much either :P
22:37.25mid5valdyn, I have to research about that, but for the moment I'll search about syslog on a logserver
22:38.02mid5valdyn, then I'll come back (if I have questions jeje)
22:38.20jelly-hopipeline: it does everything and your mom
22:38.27jelly-hoer
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22:38.42jelly-howhere did that come from
22:38.55cafuegothe -ho I think
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22:41.49atomikuHmm... trying to set up debian as an access point
22:41.56FirefisheI have an asus g50v-x1 laptop with no sound and no wireless.  Wireless is by atheros, and *probably* requires the ath9k module.  Sound is  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03), as taken from my lspci output.
22:41.58atomikuHang on, let me paste some stuff to pastebin first
22:42.09FirefishePinkFreud:   More of the same, I'm afraid *sigh* ;)
22:42.37atomikuhttp://pastebin.com/m6f4266ff <--- the debian box isn't visible for some reason. Anyone know why?
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22:44.06jpinxFirefishe: I believe you need madwifi for atheros wireless chips
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22:45.13cafuegoFirefishe: You prolly need a param to the hda-intel module.
22:46.09cafuegoFirefishe: options snd-hda-intel model=laptop
22:46.14cafuegothat sorted mine out
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22:46.35cafuegoI've avoided non-intel wifi for the last few years, so i cna't help with the atheros.
22:46.39Firefishecafuego:   for the model= line, g50v?
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22:47.03cafuegoNo, literally model=laptop
22:47.32Firefishecafuego:   actually, I had a fix like that for suse 11.0--which I had installed just a few days ago <rant>can't stand suse, ewww...slowww)</rant> that fixed part of my problem
22:48.18Firefishecafuego:   Well, this laptop's wi-fi card is pci-e.  Can you recommend a different pci-e card, preferably one with built-in bluetooth on it?
22:48.26CeleronBrainI want to do apt-get install x-window-system without XDM.
22:48.42Firefishecafuego:   I'm tired of it.
22:48.44cafuegoFirefishe: if available, grab an intel one
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22:49.04valdynCeleronBrain: mm, just remove xdm after it, thats easier than tracking down individual packages
22:49.14Firefishecafuego:   Incidentally, is that options line go in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?
22:49.20Firefisheis=does
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22:49.31cafuegoFirefishe: In any file in /etc/modprobe.d
22:49.32AndyRirc.aceirc.org
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22:49.39cafuegoAndyR: No, thankyou.
22:49.40jelly-hoAndyR: no
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22:49.49cafuego!ops andyr a tard
22:49.49dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cafuego complains about: andyr a tard
22:49.56cafuegofanks
22:50.01tomawnp
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22:50.38Firefishecafuego:   thanks.  I think there was a particular fix for this laptop, some of of fix line..I'll have to look around, I guess.
22:50.54Firefishecafuego:   will try your suggestion first
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22:54.27CeleronBrainWill I have Xlib.h?
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22:57.24valdynCeleronBrain: no?
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22:58.07Firefishebrb...need a reboot
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23:04.27estharWhy is it that more and more stable released of important free software projects go into experimental rather than sid?
23:04.44estharDoes this have to do with the impending Lenny release or is this going to continue?
23:04.49valdynesthar: because the release process of lenny requires this
23:04.57estharok
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23:05.42estharOnce Lenny is released and KDE 4.2 is out, will it finally replace KDE 3.x in sid?
23:06.00valdynesthar: sure, in time
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23:06.24valdynesthar: it does not require kde 4.2 to be out
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23:06.43valdynesthar: really only the maintainers to think that kde4 will be ready when lenny+1 comes out
23:07.06Firefishecafuego:   Well, I kind of have sound, although I had to remove the line.  Sound is staticcy, and I have to turn the master volume up all the way to hear even that..
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23:08.09Firefishecafuego:   I'm streaming a radio station through rhythm box, so at least that works.
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23:09.52zxxdhow much bandwidth does a typical ssh session take ? saying one displaying dynamic data like Top
23:09.55zxxdor iptraf
23:10.01zxxdno more than 64kbit no?
23:10.19drizzd_depends on how fast you type
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23:10.41zxxd:)
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23:11.31adama__zxxd you could get a reasonable idea with tcpstat
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23:12.34atomiku`http://pastebin.com/m6f4266ff <--- the debian box isn't visible for some reason. Anyone know why?
23:13.14cafuegoit got hit with an invisibility ray?
23:13.42atomiku`it's very strange
23:13.43zxxdbrb
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23:15.57seed__how can I active ip_forwarding one time for all please?
23:16.29seed__s/active/enable/
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23:18.00seed__found : /etc/sysctl.conf
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23:18.32zxxd_about 32kbit
23:18.36woody86can anyone help me out, when I boot into 64bit Ubuntu on my 64bit computer, the first thing the screen flashes at me is some error about something in my bio not being correct, and that it's going to cost me 64mb of RAM? Any ideas?
23:19.18zxxd_or not
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23:19.29epsilonseed__: or I do that in my firewall/NAT-script managing iptables rules
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23:19.53epsilonecht 1 > ... in the script run at bootup
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23:27.43themillseed__: just use the ipmasq package. /msg dpkg ipmasq
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23:28.15themillwoody86: please ask questions about ubuntu in #ubuntu not here.
23:28.25zxxd_hi
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23:29.33ZitZCan i ask a question about network printing
23:29.59adama__only if the answer is "631"
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23:30.50ZitZI don't know about that, but my problem is that I can detect this printer when I use foomatic-gui, but i can't detect it with the hp toolkit
23:31.31ZitZconsequently, the printer does not show up in any print dialogs to any programs, and i cannot print a test page to it even from foomatic-gui
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23:34.38colouraggaQuestion: In /etc I notice some files have copies which only differ by having a - appended to them. e.g. passwd and passwd-
23:34.42colouraggaWhat are those?
23:36.02ZitZit's probably not a - but a ~, the ~ indicates that it is a backup that is created when you edit the file
23:36.41atomiku`http://pastebin.com/m6f4266ff <--- the debian box isn't visible for some reason. Anyone know why?
23:36.45colouraggaI'm sure it's a - and not a ~
23:37.11colouraggaBut they still might be the backups :)
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23:38.41Trampatomiku`: what exactly do you mean by "visible"
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23:38.59atomiku`My laptop, which is right next to the debian box can not pick up the wirelss signal
23:39.03Processor7Anyone use unetbootin?
23:39.11atomiku`the debian box can scan for wireless networks, it all works
23:39.18atomiku`It just doesn't seem to be working as an access point
23:39.49themillatomiku`: do both hardware and driver support it being used as an AP?
23:39.55atomiku`!
23:40.06atomiku`Crap
23:40.16atomiku`let me find out
23:40.31Trampthat would actually be a brilliant idea
23:41.35atomiku`We'll have to assume it does
23:41.49atomiku`Theres nothing saying it does support, and there is nothing saying it doesn't support
23:42.21atomiku`it's a realtek 8185
23:42.34atomiku`I might give ndiswrapper a try, use realtek's windows drivers
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23:46.33xbj_A21mhi..  supposing I have a command that is set to not require a sudo password..  is there a flag or something I can use to have it just ask for a confirmation Y/n instead?
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23:50.00drizzd_xbj_A21m: why would you want to do that?
23:50.15drizzd_you can write a simple wrapper script
23:51.23xbj_A21mdrizzd_ I made a shutdown button for my fluxbox desktop that calls up sudo halt, and i don't want to shutdown accidentally but I also don't want to have to fill in my password
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23:54.46x3275hi all, has anyone had any trouble with wireless networks  and network manager within the last couple of upgrades of  sid?
23:55.15zlossZlzZLLZzLZzzz
23:55.29drizzd_xbj_A21m: I wrote a script once that required you to press the button twice
23:55.33drizzd_let me see if I can find it
23:55.40x3275kismet picks up the networks and i can connect to them manually... But network manager does not list them
23:56.04x3275any ideas of where to begin?
23:56.18x3275didn't see anything on bugs.debian.org
23:57.09xbj_A21mx3275 I'm not familiar with that but I will recommend Wicd
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23:58.16drizzd_xbj_A21m: can't find it. but like I said, that's not really a sudo problem.
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