| 00:00.00 | JyZyXEL | the one that handles window decorations |
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| 00:00.19 | llimeht | yes |
| 00:00.25 | jpinx | Gazali: are you going to do network install? |
| 00:00.42 | Gazali | no i have the xfce debian test cd |
| 00:00.44 | llimeht | Gazali: yes, you would want the standard system |
| 00:01.13 | jpinx | Gazali: you will be good with standard and laptop parts I reckon |
| 00:01.17 | Gazali | llimeht can you also paste the standard package if it is possible |
| 00:01.31 | jpinx | and you can always add what you want later |
| 00:01.53 | JyZyXEL | whats the name of the gnome window manager executable? |
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| 00:01.56 | Gazali | jpinks standard adds somethings to base |
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| 00:02.05 | Gazali | is different from base install |
| 00:02.11 | jpinx | Gazali: a net install is really easy and intuitive |
| 00:02.31 | llimeht | jpinx: the installer is identical |
| 00:02.35 | Gazali | i believe this setup will download if necessary |
| 00:02.38 | jpinx | Gazali: yea - mainly in that it adds a desktop |
| 00:02.48 | llimeht | Gazali: http://rafb.net/p/wj0jAn39.html |
| 00:02.51 | Gazali | no desktop package is different |
| 00:03.09 | Gazali | thank you very much llmeht |
| 00:03.25 | jpinx | Gazali: a base system will leave you with a command line interface only |
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| 00:04.36 | level9wizard | Ok much better |
| 00:04.43 | level9wizard | Now debian is on static ip |
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| 00:05.23 | level9wizard | Where is apache insaleld by default? |
| 00:05.36 | legis | /etc/apache? |
| 00:05.36 | pipeline | level9wizard: /usr |
| 00:05.50 | legis | and /var/www |
| 00:06.06 | level9wizard | Ahh |
| 00:06.25 | level9wizard | legis, thats it on var/www |
| 00:07.12 | llimeht | !apache it works |
| 00:07.12 | dpkg | To set up your new apache: a2dissite default; cd /etc/apache2/sites-available; sed 's/RedirectMatch/#RedirectMatch/' <default >local; a2ensite local; invoke-rc.d apache2 reload |
| 00:07.35 | stew | level9wizard: did you install 'apache' or 'apache2'? you probably want apache2 |
| 00:07.41 | level9wizard | apache2 |
| 00:07.54 | level9wizard | man this was so much easier than my kde experience a year ago |
| 00:08.07 | level9wizard | im glad i gave linux another go |
| 00:08.15 | level9wizard | my only experience was ssh from a windows box |
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| 00:09.13 | legis | In lenny, when I connect a USB storage drive, where it is mounted? |
| 00:09.17 | level9wizard | I wonder if this install has MySQL |
| 00:09.29 | jpinx | legis: /media |
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| 00:09.46 | Gazali | what happened to /mnt |
| 00:09.52 | llimeht | level9wizard: /msg dpkg install mysql |
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| 00:10.40 | f1y | legis: depends of Your /etc/fstab I guess... |
| 00:10.52 | level9wizard | llimeht, are all linux o/s this awesome! |
| 00:11.05 | llimeht | level9wizard: no, debian is clearly the best. |
| 00:11.11 | legis | it doesn't mount aotmagically? |
| 00:11.17 | level9wizard | is dpkg something native to debain only? |
| 00:11.17 | legis | *auto |
| 00:12.03 | f1y | legis: You have IDE or SCSI devices? |
| 00:12.45 | legis | f1y: its 2.5 sata drive with use converter |
| 00:12.55 | legis | s/use/usb |
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| 00:13.25 | f1y | Show some "ls /dev/sd*" output. |
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| 00:14.35 | legis | f1y: there is a,a1,a2, etc.. |
| 00:14.50 | Firefishe | I'm having sound card and wireless trouble: Here's my lspci output: http://rafb.net/p/Y9fsAL17.html |
| 00:14.56 | infinity2 | anyone know why debian doesn't have a "virtual" kernel like ubuntu? |
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| 00:15.18 | Firefishe | infinity2: isn't there a xen-enabled debian kernel? |
| 00:15.19 | f1y | legis: You propably have Your storage device at sdbx, where x is a number of partition on storage device. |
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| 00:16.27 | infinity2 | Firefishe: yea. but i don't think thats the same thing |
| 00:16.59 | Firefishe | oh...nm |
| 00:17.13 | Firefishe | xen is a virtual machine system... |
| 00:17.16 | Firefishe | vm's are not my forte' |
| 00:17.25 | f1y | Any users of nagios here? I try to set up it on etch, but there's mysql problem I guess. |
| 00:17.28 | level9wizard | is dpkg something native to debain only? |
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| 00:19.38 | stew | level9wizard: it originated in debian, now there are many debian derivatives that also use dpkg |
| 00:19.46 | level9wizard | stew, I see |
| 00:19.59 | f1y | ubuntu for example? |
| 00:20.21 | stew | infinity2: what is the "virtual" kernel in ubuntu? |
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| 00:20.31 | level9wizard | What about the aptitude cmd, is this native to debian |
| 00:20.41 | level9wizard | it seems very logical and user friendly |
| 00:20.46 | level9wizard | Even for a newbie like me |
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| 00:21.07 | stew | level9wizard: same thing |
| 00:21.10 | level9wizard | more than nativ ei mean exclusive |
| 00:21.14 | level9wizard | stew, I see |
| 00:22.20 | level9wizard | I hope this isnt way way off topic, but would anyone recommend stable 3.x phpmyadmin over stable 2.x ? |
| 00:22.59 | stew | judd: versions phpmyadmin |
| 00:23.00 | judd | stew: phpmyadmin -- etch: 4:2.9.1.1-8 etch-security: 4:2.9.1.1-8 lenny: 4:2.11.8.1-4 sid: 4:2.11.8.1-4 experimental: 4:3.0.1.1-1 |
| 00:23.53 | stew | level9wizard: i'd recommend sticking with whatever is in stable, so that you get automatic security updates, since its a package with a history of security problems |
| 00:25.14 | Gazali | while installing debianxfce, i didnot formatted the old home partition of xubuntu, now is there a way to get rid of the configuration left from xubuntu? |
| 00:25.21 | infinity2 | stew: i think its fro vmware |
| 00:25.31 | aetheria | looks like pandora.com doesn't work with the new 64-bit flash plugin |
| 00:25.51 | stew | infinity2: well debian would certainly not have a vmware kernel, since vmware is not free |
| 00:25.53 | infinity2 | stew: Support for virtual processors. Geared toward virtual machine guests. |
| 00:25.55 | legis | f1y: yeah, it was sdb1, I guess the automounting its a DE thing. |
| 00:26.06 | level9wizard | stew, you mean I should get PMA from aptitude |
| 00:26.08 | level9wizard | >? |
| 00:26.15 | stew | level9wizard: yes |
| 00:26.21 | infinity2 | stew: yes. it wouldn't have a vmare kernel |
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| 00:26.42 | stew | infinity2: there are vserver kernels and xen kernels, is perhaps what you are talking about either vserver or xen? |
| 00:26.59 | level9wizard | hmm .. /msg dpkg install phpmyadmin ? |
| 00:27.14 | stew | level9wizard: aptitude install phpmyadmin ; then read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin |
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| 00:27.30 | infinity2 | stew: i guess a better question is what makes a ubuntu virtual kernel "virtual" and whats make a debian xen kernel "xened" |
| 00:27.59 | legis | infinity2: the .config? |
| 00:28.09 | infinity2 | legis: yes. what about the config |
| 00:28.20 | infinity2 | and possibly patches |
| 00:28.23 | stew | infinity2: it depends on which xen kernel you mean, the debian xen kernels are either kernels with patches which make them act as a xen domU or which make it act as a xen dom0 or domU |
| 00:28.36 | level9wizard | stew, thanks again |
| 00:28.38 | infinity2 | stew: well thats not what i want |
| 00:28.48 | f1y | legis: add to /etc/fstab one line: "sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" and You shoult mount it manually by "mount /media/usb0", that should work by hand. |
| 00:28.52 | infinity2 | stew: i want a kernel for a vmware guest |
| 00:29.07 | f1y | llimeht: prv, please? |
| 00:30.00 | stew | infinity2: perhaps ask #vmware |
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| 00:33.24 | infinity2 | this is irritating. where is the kerenl config file in the ubuntu packages??!?! i extracted them and i cant find it. i checked the diff and the binary. |
| 00:33.53 | stew | infinity2: ask #ubuntu |
| 00:34.21 | level9wizard | stew, wow I was typign that - almost my frist answer on #debian! |
| 00:34.26 | level9wizard | laughs. |
| 00:34.47 | legis | f1y: yeah, I did mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 |
| 00:35.04 | infinity2 | stew: i'll try debian packages and then ask again ;) |
| 00:35.11 | legis | infinity2: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:35.19 | f1y | legis: If you want to automount Your storage device, read about hal. |
| 00:35.46 | infinity2 | legis: figure out hwo to get an optimized deiban kerenl for vmware |
| 00:35.59 | stew | infinity2: ask #vmware |
| 00:36.23 | legis | infinity2: huh? the stock kernel works for a vmware install. |
| 00:37.02 | infinity2 | legis: yes, but is it optimized? |
| 00:37.49 | legis | infinity2: optimizde for what? it works |
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| 00:37.57 | Supersonic | I'm trying to upgrade etch to lenny, following the bot's advice |
| 00:38.09 | Gazali | how do i get rid of the debian folder in xfce menu |
| 00:38.13 | Supersonic | but Debian keeps complaining I need to install a 2.6.x kernel |
| 00:38.17 | legis | f1y: I'll read on hal, thx. |
| 00:38.23 | Supersonic | how can I do that first? |
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| 00:38.32 | stew | Supersonic: what version of debian are you running now? |
| 00:38.33 | infinity2 | legis: performance? |
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| 00:38.40 | Supersonic | and which version should I grab for a 32 bit machine |
| 00:38.52 | yak | there are bots here? |
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| 00:39.09 | legis | infinity2: come back when you know what you want. |
| 00:39.09 | Supersonic | yak: dpkg |
| 00:39.26 | f1y | legis: No problem. |
| 00:39.34 | stew | he knows what he wants, and #vmware is the place to find it |
| 00:39.40 | Supersonic | which Linux image should I grab? |
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| 00:39.55 | stew | Supersonic: what cpu do you have? and what version of debian are you running now? |
| 00:39.56 | infinity2 | ROFL. |
| 00:39.57 | infinity2 | infinity2: sounds like a question for #debian |
| 00:39.59 | neoice | Supersonic: the one that matches your CPU arch |
| 00:40.03 | infinity2 | thanks #vmware |
| 00:40.24 | Supersonic | neoice: 32 bit Celeron |
| 00:40.27 | infinity2 | am i on hold with some horrible vendor? heh |
| 00:40.29 | neoice | x86 |
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| 00:40.32 | stew | infinity2: try http://vmware.com/support |
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| 00:40.38 | Supersonic | is there a way I can scroll up in terminal to see uptions? |
| 00:40.46 | Supersonic | isn't it shift+key to scroll up? |
| 00:40.49 | neoice | PGUP? |
| 00:41.01 | llimeht | yak: there are probably a hundred or more bots in here.... the one we know about and use is dpkg |
| 00:41.04 | neoice | I've yet to bind my shift-up in Linux |
| 00:41.15 | stew | Supersonic: you'd want linux-image-2.6-686. but its odd that you would be having to install a 2.6 kernel to upgrade to lenny, becuase you should already be on a 2.6 kernel if you are on etch. |
| 00:41.18 | Supersonic | pgup puts a tilde in my command line |
| 00:41.28 | yak | didnt understand |
| 00:41.54 | amphi | Supersonic: you could just | less |
| 00:42.00 | f1y | Supersonic: Try shift+pgup/pgdn? |
| 00:42.22 | Supersonic | stew: this might be an older version. I'm using a net install disc from god knows how long ago |
| 00:42.37 | Supersonic | fly: works perfect, thanks |
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| 00:42.53 | Supersonic | I knew it was shift-something, just not what key |
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| 00:44.42 | yak | what to do with dpkg? |
| 00:44.55 | Supersonic | also, now I've got 4 options in GRUB, the new 2.6 kernel and the 2.4 kernel |
| 00:45.12 | Supersonic | should I remove the 2.4 kernel, or leave it in (I don't plan on using it) |
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| 00:45.22 | stew | Supersonic: what version of libc6 is currently installed on this machine? |
| 00:45.39 | Supersonic | how can I check |
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| 00:45.55 | stew | Supersonic: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for Installed: |
| 00:46.21 | Supersonic | 2.3.6.ds1-etch7 |
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| 00:46.37 | LuisFelipe | hi, i've a machine with 1.9 ghz, 196mb RAM, (64 mb shared for video) and 80 gb, how can i optimize my usage of resources? i've installed fluxbox :) and don't know what more to do |
| 00:46.47 | Supersonic | keep in mind I just installed the new kernel |
| 00:46.55 | Supersonic | LuisFelipe: run programs low on resources |
| 00:47.04 | level9wizard | I'm logged into SSH and in /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin but when i try and download a file I get "The directory is invalid." - hmmmmm |
| 00:47.08 | Supersonic | for example, opt out of using firefox, and something more lightweight |
| 00:47.34 | LuisFelipe | like what |
| 00:47.40 | LuisFelipe | i use epiphany :) |
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| 00:48.03 | LuisFelipe | there's something more lightweight? u.u |
| 00:48.06 | stew | Supersonic: well you appear to be running etch. its just that this thing was probably never properly upgraded from sarge |
| 00:48.10 | LuisFelipe | i don't know how to save resources u.u |
| 00:48.11 | f1y | Damn. Time for a smoke. |
| 00:48.27 | stew | Supersonic: if you have a working 2.6 kernel, you can go ahead and remove the 2.4 kernel, it woulnd't be useful in lenny anyway |
| 00:48.41 | Supersonic | how can I remove it? |
| 00:48.44 | Supersonic | aptitude? |
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| 00:48.54 | stew | Supersonic: yes, aptitude remove packagename |
| 00:48.57 | f1y | apt-get remove? |
| 00:49.08 | Supersonic | stew: I don't think it was either, I checked sources.list and the CD source was sarge |
| 00:49.13 | mike_xcr | f1y: any problem with debian? ;> |
| 00:49.31 | f1y | mike_xcr: Yes, but more with nagios than with debian. |
| 00:49.38 | level9wizard | stew, any thoughts on my last effort? |
| 00:49.38 | mike_xcr | f1y: -pl |
| 00:49.40 | mike_xcr | ;- |
| 00:49.41 | mike_xcr | ;-) |
| 00:50.02 | f1y | ahhh thanks :D |
| 00:50.08 | stew | Supersonic: well if you are somewhere between sarge and etch, it would be wise to fully ugrade to etch first. |
| 00:50.18 | stew | level9wizard: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:50.24 | Supersonic | stew: whoops |
| 00:50.29 | level9wizard | stew, Download the file |
| 00:50.47 | stew | level9wizard: which file? |
| 00:50.48 | level9wizard | stew, I'm not trying to make this an ssh problem so sorry if it is |
| 00:50.57 | Supersonic | am I in trouble, or can I get by? Also, aptitude is removing 2.4.x when dist-upgrading |
| 00:51.05 | Gazali | how do i get rid of the debian folder in xfce menu http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8418/screenshotzk0.png |
| 00:51.06 | level9wizard | stew, /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/Documentation.html |
| 00:51.15 | stew | level9wizard: how are you trying to download it? |
| 00:51.15 | kolla | what's the state of ifupdown vs. netconf vs. networkmanager «vs. insert missing ...»? |
| 00:51.19 | LuisFelipe | what's the most lightweight application for using msn messenger? |
| 00:51.21 | stew | level9wizard: i'd recommend starting with the README.Debian.g |
| 00:51.23 | stew | gz* |
| 00:51.23 | level9wizard | When I cmd line navigate and do nano Documentation.html it works fine |
| 00:51.36 | stew | Supersonic: what version of e2fsprogs is installed? |
| 00:51.40 | level9wizard | stew, that's in the .../doc/ ? |
| 00:51.51 | stew | level9wizard: instructions in setting up phpmyadmin |
| 00:51.56 | legis | LuisFelipe: bitlbee :) |
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| 00:52.20 | LuisFelipe | apt-get install bitlbee? |
| 00:52.21 | LuisFelipe | xD |
| 00:52.22 | Supersonic | 1.39+1.40WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1 |
| 00:52.34 | stew | Supersonic: that's fine |
| 00:52.34 | Supersonic | candidate 1.41.3-1 |
| 00:52.45 | llimeht | kolla: networkmanager ignores devices that are in /etc/network/interfaces. nm works nicely if you are a laptop user with dhcp and is useless otherwise. |
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| 00:53.07 | Supersonic | this box is 667Mhz and 256MB RAM |
| 00:53.15 | stew | that's fine |
| 00:53.17 | Supersonic | I think I'm gonna keep it command line only |
| 00:53.18 | level9wizard | stew, I am ok with phpmyadmin setup, i'm wondernig if this is a permissinos or ssh issue |
| 00:53.29 | dondelelcaro | Supersonic: that's more than enough for X |
| 00:53.34 | stew | level9wizard: what command are you running? |
| 00:53.37 | Supersonic | or maybe try something like AwesomeWM, if I can figure out how the heck to get it running |
| 00:53.44 | jabop | I have a huge error log for apache, spanning back errors from around 3 months ago. I need to get the errors from the last 5 mins. There are no separate error logs, just one huge one. |
| 00:53.51 | level9wizard | stew, I'm using OpenSSH. So I think it might not be relevant to efforting you for support |
| 00:53.55 | jabop | What's a command I can use to get the most recent errs from a log? |
| 00:53.58 | Supersonic | dondelelcaro: Well I've got a dual core 2.2GHZ machine that I run my main stuff on |
| 00:54.03 | dondelelcaro | jabop: tail or less |
| 00:54.05 | Supersonic | this box is gonna be for playing around |
| 00:54.14 | stew | level9wizard: what command are you running? scp would be the command to copy a file over ssh |
| 00:54.22 | Supersonic | and no X is great for writing without distractions =D |
| 00:54.39 | stew | level9wizard: or you could just view the file in the ssh session with a text browser like w3m or links2 or lynx |
| 00:54.52 | stew | level9wizard: or 'zless /path/to/file.gz" for the README.Debian.gz |
| 00:54.59 | level9wizard | stew, TBH i'm not sure, I'm running SSH 3.2.9 by CSC |
| 00:55.05 | jabop | dondelelcaro: thank you :) |
| 00:55.23 | level9wizard | I click File transfew window and it shows me a directory listing similar to ftp |
| 00:55.58 | kolla | llimeht: right, i'm thinking of servers |
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| 00:56.24 | llimeht | kolla: nm has no place on a server. Stick to ifupdown for that. |
| 00:56.26 | exmachina | how do i get apt-get |
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| 00:56.47 | yak | apt-gets you |
| 00:56.51 | kolla | llimeht: and in the lights of IPv6, bridging etc... "man interfaces" hardly mentions these topics |
| 00:57.19 | Bryanstein | exmachina, you should have it ...it need to be executed as root or by using sudo |
| 00:57.24 | kolla | no wonder, man page is from 2004 |
| 00:58.03 | dondelelcaro | kolla: it doesn't do much with bridge interfaces; those you create with brctl or similar |
| 00:58.24 | dondelelcaro | kolla: or using up rules or similar after the main interfaces have been brought up |
| 00:58.31 | stew | kolla: ipv6 is covered in the interfaces manpage |
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| 00:59.04 | kolla | covered? you mean briefly mentioned :) |
| 00:59.05 | stew | kolla: for bridging, check the docs in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils |
| 00:59.34 | kolla | hm, ok, so debian is different from ubuntu here? |
| 00:59.40 | stew | kolla: no more briefly than ipv4 |
| 01:00.08 | kolla | ubuntu at least has entries for bridging one can set in interfaces, allthough they are not documented anywhere I know of |
| 01:00.21 | stew | kolla: so does debian |
| 01:00.34 | stew | kolla: and in debian they are documented in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils |
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| 01:01.25 | dondelelcaro | or man 5 bridge-utils-interfaces; |
| 01:01.38 | kolla | oh, I need to do "man bridge-utils-interfaces" |
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| 01:02.09 | Supersonic | is there a way to see what kernels are currently instealled? |
| 01:02.13 | Supersonic | *installed |
| 01:02.20 | Supersonic | looks like I have 2 2.6.x |
| 01:02.21 | kolla | dpkg -S /boot |
| 01:02.21 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /boot! |
| 01:02.22 | kolla | :P |
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| 01:03.53 | magyar | hi, anyone running debian on dl380 server? |
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| 01:04.14 | Gazali | dl380, if its something cool i may switch |
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| 01:06.23 | kolla | for IPv6, it doesnt mention how to turn off autoconf and accept_ra, if one is supposed to do it in sysctl.conf only, or do it directly with and "up" entry or what |
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| 01:08.15 | Supersonic | I keep getting info about how perl setting up locale failed |
| 01:08.21 | Supersonic | is there a way to define the proper locale? |
| 01:08.37 | level9wizard | I'm stumped why I can't download this file from SSH file transfer window - maybe its application problem from my client |
| 01:09.25 | azeem | Supersonic: export appropriate environment variables |
| 01:09.30 | dondelelcaro | Supersonic: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the right locale. |
| 01:09.41 | Supersonic | also, I just installed git, but bash is saying it inst installed when I run git clone |
| 01:09.48 | Supersonic | apt-get says its installed |
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| 01:10.32 | Gazali | i have installed debian xfce. in the menu the is this debian folder id like to get rid of, how will i do this http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8418/screenshotzk0.png |
| 01:10.58 | llimeht | Supersonic: git-core is probably what you want, and you might need to run "hash -r" in your shell after installing it |
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| 01:11.16 | Supersonic | llimeht: alright, thanks |
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| 01:11.41 | llimeht | Supersonic: (hint: read the package description for git) |
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| 01:14.08 | dub | im sure satan himself developed screen |
| 01:14.26 | dub | using ctrl+a as a trigger is evil incarnate |
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| 01:15.30 | stew | dub: i've always switched it to ctrl-o becuase ctrl-a is too much to give up |
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| 01:15.35 | \amethyst | I use ctrl-] |
| 01:15.51 | \amethyst | if I used tags more in vi I'd switch to something else |
| 01:16.00 | aetheria | how do i tell gnome not to do anything when a remote device is attached? |
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| 01:17.20 | \amethyst | aetheria: in gnome-volume-properties ("Removable Drives and Media Preferences" or some such in the Control Center) |
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| 01:19.55 | level9wizard | Welp a good night, thanks a million everyone |
| 01:20.04 | level9wizard | stew, thanks to you especially |
| 01:20.15 | level9wizard | More Debian tommorow! |
| 01:20.17 | aetheria | \amethyst: is there a control center? on my system there is only the system -> preferences menu with different items, but no control center |
| 01:20.20 | stew | level9wizard: you're welcome |
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| 01:21.00 | \amethyst | aetheria: it's the same thing in menu form |
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| 01:21.15 | StyXman | hi all. since a couple of weeks or maybe more I can't set the cpu frequency with kpowersave. it complains saying "cpu freq policy powersave could not be set". I looked into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor, and the only strange thing I could find is that is not of group 'powerdev' as i thought it would be. any hints? are there other ways to set cpu freq policy? |
| 01:21.26 | Supersonic | I just installed xserver-xorg, but startx is giving me command not found? |
| 01:21.30 | \amethyst | aetheria: you can run it from the command line with gnome-control-center, but I had thought there was a "Control Center" icon under System->Preferences |
| 01:21.30 | aetheria | \amethyst: ah, but i found it under system -> preferences. thanks! |
| 01:21.41 | stew | Supersonic: aptitude install xorg |
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| 01:21.55 | Supersonic | stew: remove xserver-xorg first? |
| 01:21.57 | aetheria | FWIW, i used kde for many years, and have just come back to gnome, and am really loving it |
| 01:21.58 | StyXman | Supersonic: xbase-clients |
| 01:22.03 | \amethyst | it's in xinit here |
| 01:22.10 | kolla | dondelelcaro: so nothing is happening with netconf? http://wiki.debian.org/netconf/ |
| 01:22.12 | stew | Supersonic: no, xorg would pull xserver-xorg back in anyway |
| 01:22.16 | amphi | StyXman: you can use /etc/sysfs.conf to set the governor at boot time, if that's what you mean |
| 01:22.16 | Supersonic | ok |
| 01:22.28 | \amethyst | oh, xbase-clients in etch, right |
| 01:22.29 | stew | (and would pull in xbase-clients) |
| 01:22.32 | StyXman | amphi: no, i want it at ac plug in/off |
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| 01:22.48 | amphi | StyXman: what cpu is it? |
| 01:22.57 | dondelelcaro | kolla: some stuff is happening, but AFAIK, it's not ready yet |
| 01:23.05 | StyXman | intel core 2 duo 2.2GHz |
| 01:23.25 | amphi | StyXman: if it's intel, intel recommends using ondemand both on ac and battery |
| 01:23.44 | StyXman | amphi: anywyas, I can't make it change |
| 01:23.50 | amphi | StyXman: otherwise, use an acpi script |
| 01:24.13 | jair | it's there a channel to talk about intel or amd cpus? |
| 01:24.13 | amphi | StyXman: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 01:24.24 | StyXman | hmmm, you must have missed the "since a couple of weeks or maybe more". it used to work. |
| 01:24.55 | amphi | StyXman: what "doesn't work"? you can't change scaling governor? |
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| 01:25.06 | StyXman | amphi: not with kpowersave, no |
| 01:25.11 | kolla | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 01:25.43 | aetheria | is png better then jpg overall? |
| 01:25.55 | amphi | I have no idea about kpowersave; until you fix that, you can manipulate cpufreq directly by means of sysfs |
| 01:26.03 | amphi | aetheria: 'better'? |
| 01:26.27 | aetheria | amphi, i guess, less lossy? better quality at equivalent file size? |
| 01:26.38 | amphi | aetheria: png is lossless |
| 01:26.42 | StyXman | aetheria: png is not lossy AFAIC |
| 01:27.00 | amphi | aetheria: at the cost of size, at least for certain images |
| 01:27.10 | jair | it's anyone here using Intel's technology AMT? |
| 01:27.14 | aetheria | saving a graphic as .png in gimp offers compression level 0 - 9 |
| 01:27.40 | StyXman | jair: whoch one>? intel has lots of tech's... |
| 01:27.40 | amphi | 9 is better compression, at increased computational expense |
| 01:27.54 | aetheria | for web stuff would you recommend jpg? |
| 01:28.44 | amphi | depends what it is; images with large blocks of pixels of the same colour often compress smaller with png than jpeg, at least with decent jpeg quality |
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| 01:28.51 | StyXman | aetheria: for photos, and images that you don't care is exactly the original |
| 01:29.04 | amphi | aetheria: and png if you want alpha channel |
| 01:29.09 | StyXman | is not* |
| 01:29.39 | amphi | aetheria: ie. no one can really answer you; experiment |
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| 01:32.07 | StyXman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.47 | jair | StyXman: I am trying to figure out how can I start a testing environment on my home network |
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| 01:33.16 | StyXman | jair: testing what? |
| 01:33.22 | jair | I have a laptop IBM lenovo t61p with centrino vpro |
| 01:33.49 | amphi | jair: to test the AMT stuff on it? |
| 01:34.04 | jair | StyXman: the Active Management Technology, I think at the end of the year will be supported to run the AMT commander on a linux host :) |
| 01:34.08 | amphi | jair: I have that on my laptop, but I've done nowt with it |
| 01:34.25 | amphi | jair: anything on thinkwiki about it? |
| 01:34.33 | jair | amphi: I will check |
| 01:34.59 | pythonic | how does a script get its own path? |
| 01:35.09 | StyXman | jair: reading what ot os, then i have one of those |
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| 01:35.31 | StyXman | pythonic: in python? |
| 01:35.41 | StyXman | it is* |
| 01:35.50 | pythonic | StyXman: bash |
| 01:35.56 | neoice | cant you just read $PATH in the script? |
| 01:35.59 | neoice | or define one |
| 01:35.59 | jair | well I will keep reading and come back with explanation I may also post something on thinkwiki :P |
| 01:36.35 | pythonic | neoice: if i run ./foo.sh how does the script get its full path? |
| 01:36.43 | StyXman | pythonic: not fun. if the script has been invoked using its absolute path, then you can get it from $0. if not, you're out of luck |
| 01:37.42 | StyXman | if you need to read/source/whatever some other files, I suggest you to install them somewhere hardcoded and read them from there |
| 01:38.00 | neoice | ah, you want the path TO the script, not the $PATH |
| 01:38.07 | pythonic | neoice: right |
| 01:38.29 | pythonic | can i join cwd + $0 for relative or absolute $0? |
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| 01:39.25 | neoice | I'm sure there must be a clever way to do it |
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| 01:40.01 | LimCore | how to see what programs are causing network traffic? by separate apication or in wireshark etc |
| 01:40.10 | dustybin | why does debians php.ini have magic_quotes_gpc = on <-- this should be turned off by default... |
| 01:40.18 | StyXman | pythonic: yes and no, that works only if it is run with a relatibe path. if is invoked because it's in $PATH, then you'll have to search it using those |
| 01:40.26 | LimCore | magic quotes are so noob. |
| 01:40.39 | StyXman | LimCore: iptraf + netstat -tpn |
| 01:40.43 | Tramp | pythonic: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ/028 -- How do I determine the location of my script? |
| 01:40.55 | LimCore | dustybin: perhaps this is so that noobs do not shoot self in foot too easly? real users know how to disable this setting |
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| 01:41.12 | Tramp | pythonic: and you may not like the answer |
| 01:41.27 | LimCore | thanks StyXman |
| 01:41.45 | StyXman | maybe iptraf is enough, I can't remember |
| 01:41.55 | LimCore | StyXman: Im surprised wireshark dont seem to have this builded in |
| 01:42.02 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: because as stupid as magic quotes is, having it on is a more sensible default |
| 01:42.18 | LimCore | StyXman: btw, how to see server sockets - i.e. that my apache is listening on port 80 etc |
| 01:42.26 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 01:42.54 | LimCore | dondelelcaro: PHP: bringing fail and noobity to new levels since visual basic |
| 01:43.01 | Supersonic | any idea why my LCD has wavy lines while running X? |
| 01:43.06 | StyXman | LimCore: netstat -tpln |
| 01:43.06 | Supersonic | incorrect mode or something? |
| 01:43.14 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: it's also the php default; so if it wasn't there, that's what it'd be set to anyway |
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| 01:43.31 | LimCore | Supersonic: or hardware problem (i.e. cable) does it work better on other os etc? |
| 01:43.35 | StyXman | Supersonic: most probably |
| 01:43.42 | pythonic | Tramp: you're right. i don't like the answer. give me different answer :-p |
| 01:44.00 | LimCore | Supersonic: grandr or something and krandrtray can perhaps help to fix |
| 01:44.02 | StyXman | LimCore: (only as root) |
| 01:44.13 | Supersonic | LimCore: works fine on others |
| 01:44.16 | neoice | does python provide a better solution? |
| 01:44.28 | LimCore | neoice: to what? |
| 01:44.37 | neoice | pythonic's path issue |
| 01:44.37 | StyXman | grandr is the tool it should be (unluckly, unlike krandr) |
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| 01:45.01 | StyXman | neoice: it can ask iys own path via __file__ |
| 01:45.06 | StyXman | its* |
| 01:45.08 | pythonic | neoice: it'd have the same problem |
| 01:45.16 | LimCore | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2049 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - what is that :o |
| 01:45.21 | pythonic | neoice: viz. that bash doesn't provide a reliable $0 |
| 01:45.24 | StyXman | LimCore: nfs server |
| 01:45.26 | LimCore | the - part instead program name |
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| 01:45.35 | StyXman | LimCore: kernel thread |
| 01:45.47 | pythonic | whether the executable is a bash script or python or whatever.. |
| 01:45.53 | Supersonic | problem only seems to happen on a background |
| 01:46.02 | LimCore | hmm it should store info which application lunched it. unless, all the logic and actuall processing of NTP is done in kernelspace :o ? |
| 01:46.04 | optraz | how do we know if a filename contain newline character? |
| 01:46.06 | Tramp | pythonic: it has noting to do with bash |
| 01:46.16 | pythonic | Tramp: yeah it does |
| 01:46.18 | StyXman | Supersonic: it's refresh problem, most probably |
| 01:46.25 | LimCore | optraz: ask bash or google bash faq for file name processing |
| 01:46.30 | StyXman | LimCore: uh? |
| 01:46.37 | pythonic | bash doesn't provide the full path in $0 to the executable |
| 01:46.46 | LimCore | optraz: #$bash if you want to do it in commandline/scripts I assume? |
| 01:46.47 | StyXman | ntp is kernelspace, yes |
| 01:46.51 | LimCore | * #bash |
| 01:47.08 | LimCore | StyXman: all the logic of NTP client is in kernel space?? wtf this is crazy :o |
| 01:47.26 | StyXman | LimCore: why? |
| 01:47.28 | LimCore | I would expect the synchronization code to be obviously in kernel, but all network logic in userspace |
| 01:47.32 | pythonic | bash knows the full path to the executable. it just doesn't share that information with the executable. |
| 01:47.33 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: so look at BASH_SOURCE |
| 01:47.44 | LimCore | Sty |
| 01:47.53 | StyXman | LimCore: time is handled almos completely by userspace |
| 01:48.02 | LimCore | StyXman: well.. the less things run as kernel the better. especially network clients |
| 01:48.09 | StyXman | of course |
| 01:48.10 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: and if you're talking about the executable that has is running, that's in /proc, and there are calls to get it |
| 01:48.37 | LimCore | StyXman: I wonder can I see that this kernel thread was executed by ntp. or is it doable only with secuirty kernel patches etc |
| 01:48.37 | pythonic | dondelelcaro: that'll show /bin/bash as the executable not /foo/bar.sh |
| 01:48.48 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: /foo/bar.sh isn't what's being executed |
| 01:48.58 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: it's what's sourced by bash, which is in BASH_SOURCE |
| 01:49.51 | dondelelcaro | (normally we wouldn't disambiguate, but in this case, it matters) |
| 01:50.03 | StyXman | LimCore: I don't get it. I said nfs, not ntp |
| 01:50.22 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: that's also almost always what $0 is. |
| 01:50.23 | LimCore | oh |
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| 01:50.49 | LimCore | hmm how to disable NFS? I dont use it anyway. |
| 01:50.58 | dondelelcaro | (and if $0 isn't the full path, which $0, will make it so) |
| 01:51.01 | StyXman | stop nfs-kernel-server |
| 01:51.13 | StyXman | and maybe unlod the module |
| 01:51.17 | Tramp | pythonic: the underlying problem is, that on unix there is no such thing as /the/ path to a file. If, what readlink -f gives you, is good enough for you, then use it. |
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| 01:51.39 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: but there is such a thing as a path to the file |
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| 01:52.13 | dondelelcaro | (and unless you're doing something really weird, that should be more than good enough) |
| 01:52.28 | \amethyst | not necessarily an absolute path to the file |
| 01:53.15 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: there has to have been at some point in time |
| 01:53.40 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: what should that be, given symlinks and probably even forced hardlinks to directories? |
| 01:53.53 | pythonic | can't have hardlinks to directories |
| 01:53.58 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: "a" path; not "the" path |
| 01:54.01 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: not necessarily, if you find yourself inside the child of a directory that you don't have execute access to |
| 01:54.04 | StyXman | pythonic: actually, yes |
| 01:54.16 | StyXman | pythonic: but shh, don't tell anyone :) |
| 01:54.26 | kingsley | Which command line utility, if any, converts ascii files to images? |
| 01:54.27 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: there are paths that you can't access; the only case that I can think of is a case where you're in a directory that no longer exists |
| 01:54.49 | StyXman | kingsley: you can play with imagemagick |
| 01:54.49 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: and that existed at some point in time |
| 01:54.51 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: ah - ok "a". Yes. that's why I emphasized /the/ |
| 01:54.55 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: yeah, I guess it's a path you can't access rather than no path at all |
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| 01:55.18 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: as for when things existed, I was thinking the file gets created after the directory permissions change |
| 01:55.55 | \amethyst | so a file that this user never could access using an absolute path |
| 01:56.05 | \amethyst | but it's a pathological case |
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| 01:56.16 | linxu | hi! |
| 01:56.20 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: yeah, a classic case would be mkdir foo; touch foo/bar; cd foo; (emacs bar &); (cd ..; rm foo -rf); |
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| 01:57.29 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: and then foo/bar is a path that existed but has no absolute path anymore... but not a particularly useful case. ;-) |
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| 01:59.23 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: but in this case you don't even have a file anymore (as in file system object) |
| 01:59.35 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: well, you do, because there's an open FD to it |
| 01:59.45 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: but not a particularly *useful* file |
| 02:00.17 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: yes, a FD, but no file (i.e. something on the filesystem). Just a FD and some leftover data |
| 02:00.49 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: oh, there could be stuff on the filesystem |
| 02:00.59 | Tramp | but I guess it goes metaphysical into the definition of "file" - yes? |
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| 02:01.25 | dondelelcaro | Tramp: nah; you can write and read to it just like a normal file; it's just not connected to anything that you can access using the directory structure |
| 02:01.37 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you go in and reconnect the inodes |
| 02:01.53 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: hmm. But I'd define file as something addressable through a filesystem |
| 02:02.10 | dondelelcaro | depends on your definition, I guess. |
| 02:02.22 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: i.e. some "entity" on the filesystem - yes, that's what I meant too 8) |
| 02:02.41 | dondelelcaro | well, it's an entity on a filesystem, but not one that you can get at through the directory structure |
| 02:02.46 | dondelelcaro | (it's unlinked) |
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| 02:03.57 | dondelelcaro | (if you've ever seen the "unreferenced inode with no dtime" message on fsck, that's what's going on) |
| 02:06.11 | Tramp | dondelelcaro: yeah, granted. It's still a file-system entity, just not addressable through the filesystem anymore (... a bit like the discussion if life starts with conception and ends when all brain-activity ceases) |
| 02:07.32 | dondelelcaro | pythonic: anyway, is your problem now resolved? |
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| 02:18.49 | jpinx | I've got an ASUS eeepc with xandros installed, what's the easiest way to get Debian onto it? I'm not sure if it'll boot from a USB and start a net install |
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| 02:19.52 | liable | jpin1: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 02:20.12 | liable | erm.. |
| 02:20.17 | liable | jpinx: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 02:20.18 | jpinx | thank liable |
| 02:20.27 | liable | no problem |
| 02:20.50 | jpinx | jpin1: is me on the eeepc |
| 02:21.00 | liable | oh. :) |
| 02:21.15 | jelly-home | talking to yourself is a bit troublesome |
| 02:21.31 | jpin1 | :p |
| 02:21.38 | liable | jpinx: there is #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org too |
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| 02:22.39 | jhamlin | is there some way I can determine the fan voltages? |
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| 02:23.35 | jpinx | liable: even better -- thanks |
| 02:23.43 | jpinx | they are really trying for the eeepc |
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| 02:25.58 | karsten | jhamlin: voltmeter ;-) |
| 02:26.12 | karsten | jhamlin: kernekl sensors may give this to you as well. |
| 02:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't do this at home, kids |
| 02:26.16 | dustybin | is there anyway possible to do a symbolic link between different partitions/ |
| 02:26.22 | karsten | s/kernekl/kernel/ |
| 02:26.33 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I *always* do _that_ at home. |
| 02:26.36 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... never this. |
| 02:26.42 | karsten | dustybin: Sure. |
| 02:26.55 | karsten | dustybin: You can symlink to anything you want, real or imagined. |
| 02:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dustybin, symlinks are just little files that say "look there" |
| 02:27.08 | dustybin | karsten: right, i thought it wasnt possible |
| 02:27.08 | karsten | dustybin: It's hard links that are limited to the same filesystem. |
| 02:27.20 | dustybin | everything is the same file system |
| 02:27.24 | karsten | dustybin: The link may not work, but you can create it. |
| 02:27.33 | dustybin | ok ill test :) |
| 02:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | did that quite often |
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| 02:27.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (creating links that don't work) |
| 02:28.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, post a picture how you determine the voltage on you new shiny PC with a voltmeter, please :) |
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| 02:29.21 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I just tdon't brag about that. |
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| 02:29.25 | dustybin | it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !!! |
| 02:29.41 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:29.45 | karsten | dustybin: $ ln -s http://debian.org bar; ls -l bar; lrwxrwxrwx 1 karsten karsten 17 2008-11-19 18:28 bar -> http://debian.org |
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| 02:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
| 02:29.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !!!!! |
| 02:29.47 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 02:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 02:30.06 | karsten | dustybin: Now, that doesn't mean you're going to see the URL when you cat 'bar', but the link is there. |
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| 02:30.32 | jelly-home | some people just use their browser bookmark feature |
| 02:30.44 | dustybin | i have spent hours and hours trying to get wordpress working with zenphoto and now finally have success |
| 02:30.45 | karsten | jelly-home: Spoilsport. |
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| 02:31.32 | jelly-home | it's going to be the next big thing in Mosaic 1.2! |
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| 02:50.43 | liable | no :P |
| 02:50.58 | karsten | liable: resistance is futile ;-) |
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| 02:56.33 | dennis | Hey all, I wanted to ask, what GUI Configuration tools are available for Debian? is there such thing as Control/Config Panel for debian? or any other tools, so I could spend less time in terminal. |
| 02:57.30 | teratoma | dennis: there's plenty of stuff in KDE and Gnome |
| 02:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, bah, Mosaic 1.2 - you're one of those running after every shiny new toy, aren't you... probably also already have a 2.4er kernel |
| 03:00.20 | dennis | ok, I'm using lenny right now with kde4 minimal, because full kde4 can't be installed right now for some reasons. so thats maybe the reason I can't find different tools. |
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| 03:01.20 | teratoma | dennis: What are you interested in configuring ? |
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| 03:01.54 | adb | kde-control-center |
| 03:02.09 | karsten | dennis: 'kcontrol' or 'systemsettings' are the commands which will launch the KDE config tools. |
| 03:02.20 | karsten | adb: Package or command? |
| 03:02.30 | adb | i dunno |
| 03:02.56 | karsten | dennis: systemsettings is the KDE4 version. If you're on etch, it's kcontrol. |
| 03:03.25 | karsten | dennis: Otherwise, the GUI is your favor ite editor ;-) |
| 03:03.32 | dennis | well, kde4 systemsettings is not enough... not much can be done there |
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| 03:03.54 | karsten | dennis: It's gotten dumbed down a lot, yes. |
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| 03:05.20 | dennis | I actually interested in configuring system wide settings, not just kde settings, |
| 03:05.27 | adb | kcontrol - control center for KDE |
| 03:05.32 | karsten | dennis: Such as? |
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| 03:06.41 | dennis | well, such as those that are found in mandriva control center, - disk partitioning, managing processes, boot configuration, etc. |
| 03:07.48 | karsten | dennis: I'm not familiar w/ the Mandriva tools. The Unix/Linux way is to use the LCI for that sort of thing. KDE/GNOME do a pretty good job of putting most of that in the GUI. What's Mandriva's base desktop? |
| 03:08.17 | dennis | it's either Gnome or KDE |
| 03:09.19 | adb | gnome-control-center - utilities to configure the GNOME desktop |
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| 03:09.43 | dennis | but they made Control Center where they put/made different gui tools for different purpose in one place. |
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| 03:11.07 | dennis | independent from Gnome/KDE control center |
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| 03:13.30 | karsten | dennis: Ask mandriva what they did...? |
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| 03:14.41 | dennis | I know what they did, I used Mandriva for over 1 year. |
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| 03:16.48 | dennis | I just decided to use more stable linux distro than mandriva. |
| 03:17.48 | netdaemon | i'v not used mandriva in years, debian keeps me mostly happy :) |
| 03:19.36 | dennis | I also think that I'll stick with debian, |
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| 03:27.59 | titanix | I am trying to patch a modify a games and complie it under slackware. But the problem is that it's only available under debian. |
| 03:29.13 | titanix | I am not familiar with general patching let alone patching with debian source file. Can anyone help please? |
| 03:29.46 | titanix | Any guides or resources? |
| 03:29.48 | dennis | I think there should be source code available? for compiling on any linux distro. |
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| 03:30.55 | stew | titanix: debian provides tools for downloading debian source packages and applying the patches, dget, and dpkg-source, which are in the devscripts and dpkg-dev packages |
| 03:31.21 | titanix | dennis, Yes there is.But the game is too old to have it's own website. Debian patch is important because it ported the game to SDL. |
| 03:32.19 | titanix | stew, can you please guide me to any standard resource about them? |
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| 03:33.02 | stew | titanix: you can download those packages from http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 03:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just apt-get -b source <package> on debian systems, too... |
| 03:33.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | which would unpack and try to build it for you |
| 03:33.50 | stew | titanix: (and, of course, the packages would come with manpages) |
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| 03:34.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't do so much good to use knoppix or something for it, though, I guess |
| 03:35.27 | titanix | CutMeOwnThroat, no problem. I got ubuntu besides slackware. |
| 03:36.11 | DogBoy | what game are you talking about titanix |
| 03:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't really help you to fulfill the build dependencies on slackware, though |
| 03:36.55 | titanix | gravitywars :P i like it and want give it some joystick support. |
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| 03:40.27 | titanix | thank you guys for your help. |
| 03:41.01 | titanix | #slackware |
| 03:41.27 | titanix | mistyping :/ |
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| 03:51.56 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone know of a disk partitioner that can be used on Windows 98 and supports the creation of ext2/3 partitions? |
| 03:52.23 | mANiaTiKo | partition magic lol |
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| 03:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think so, yes |
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| 03:55.22 | GhostlyDeath | Hopefully there's a GRUB installer under windows :S |
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| 03:56.27 | GhostlyDeath | Got a windows 98 with no floppy disks or CD-ROM drives... |
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| 03:59.16 | dennis | GhostyDeath: Acronis Disk Director (for windows)can create ext2/3, swap and reiserfs partitions |
| 03:59.19 | liable | GhostlyDeath: http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 03:59.45 | abrotman | goodbye-windows ? |
| 04:00.08 | liable | yeah, it does 98 from what someone was saying the other day |
| 04:00.11 | GhostlyDeath | Doesn't work |
| 04:00.21 | GhostlyDeath | Goodbye-windows 404's when it tries to download GRUB |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:00.40 | abrotman | hd-media! |
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| 04:03.43 | akio | hello |
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| 04:04.04 | GhostlyDeath | Parition magic does nothing |
| 04:04.20 | akio | i have an iMac G3 Rev C/266Mhz, wondering what the deal with the repos is |
| 04:04.36 | akio | i had etch PPC running on it |
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| 04:05.37 | akio | it seems like the repos aren't online |
| 04:05.37 | GhostlyDeath | not going to buy partition magic when I'm only going to use it once heh |
| 04:05.55 | akio | GhostlyDeath: why not use the GParted livecd |
| 04:06.11 | GhostlyDeath | akio: No CD Drive |
| 04:06.31 | akio | what are you trying to to? |
| 04:06.38 | GhostlyDeath | Install Debian |
| 04:06.40 | dennis | why not buy cd drive? |
| 04:06.51 | akio | what are you trying to to?? |
| 04:06.55 | akio | oops |
| 04:06.59 | akio | what about PXE? |
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| 04:07.04 | GhostlyDeath | PXE doesn't work |
| 04:07.08 | akio | or USB external |
| 04:07.15 | GhostlyDeath | Can't boot off USB disks |
| 04:07.15 | akio | this is fun! |
| 04:07.29 | akio | what do you mean it doesn't work? |
| 04:07.38 | akio | i do this alot |
| 04:07.39 | GhostlyDeath | tried it |
| 04:07.43 | akio | what make/model |
| 04:07.49 | GhostlyDeath | Unknown |
| 04:07.52 | GhostlyDeath | It's a Gateway from 1999 |
| 04:08.07 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hICXlngPc4Q |
| 04:08.12 | akio | and why haven't you picked up a cheap optical drive to use? |
| 04:08.24 | akio | is it a laptop? |
| 04:08.26 | GhostlyDeath | CDs don't work |
| 04:08.29 | GhostlyDeath | No, it's a desktop |
| 04:08.43 | GhostlyDeath | Every CD drive I tried says the same thing |
| 04:08.44 | akio | CD's don't work isn't very helpful |
| 04:09.08 | GhostlyDeath | Something about the drive being busy |
| 04:09.08 | akio | tried swapping jumpers/ide channels? |
| 04:09.17 | akio | clearing cmos? |
| 04:09.19 | d-b | want to try usb installation ? |
| 04:09.26 | GhostlyDeath | then sits around for a minute, does an ATAPI Reset then loops |
| 04:09.34 | GhostlyDeath | The cables are fine |
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| 04:09.37 | akio | the debian usb install is easy but his wont boot usb |
| 04:10.20 | akio | well you could attach the drive via usb cable and put the optical drive in their by itself |
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| 04:10.30 | d-b | pxe ? |
| 04:10.41 | akio | which is really no solution as you should be able to use both at the same time |
| 04:10.47 | akio | pxe is "busted" |
| 04:11.01 | akio | i would install a new NIC |
| 04:11.14 | akio | but that doesn't help you |
| 04:11.21 | akio | no BIOS support |
| 04:11.28 | GhostlyDeath | The PC originally doesn't have a NIC |
| 04:11.32 | GhostlyDeath | I put one in |
| 04:11.48 | akio | have you tried resetting/updating BIOS |
| 04:11.57 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 04:12.05 | akio | might want to try that |
| 04:12.23 | GhostlyDeath | Wouldn't want to risk my BIOS |
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| 04:12.35 | akio | maybe you have a LBA/DMA setting problem |
| 04:12.40 | akio | risk? |
| 04:12.40 | d-b | nar i meant the nic... |
| 04:12.47 | d-b | some nics have pxe in their firmware... |
| 04:12.52 | Gr33n3gg | On default, where is httpd.conf stored (When Apache is installed)? |
| 04:13.04 | d-b | (boot from nic options in bios if it is there.... might allow for that) |
| 04:13.10 | akio | yeah but when it boots will it look for the rom? (no it wont) |
| 04:13.25 | akio | no options i would assume |
| 04:13.40 | akio | go into the BIOS and reset to defaults |
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| 04:14.09 | akio | check that you have an 80-conductor cable with the correct jumper settings for both drives and try again |
| 04:14.36 | akio | i actually came here for help |
| 04:14.36 | akio | lol |
| 04:14.46 | aetheria | what is your favorite GUI e-mail client, if any? |
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| 04:14.55 | akio | gmail |
| 04:14.58 | akio | lol |
| 04:15.24 | aetheria | heh, am using webmail a lot recently, this after mutt for many years. but thinking of switching to a gui-based system |
| 04:15.27 | akio | i would use evolution if I had to use a client |
| 04:15.36 | GhostlyDeath | Goodbye Windows works great... until... http://kaptinkurk.googlepages.com/gw_grub404.png |
| 04:15.37 | akio | or pine |
| 04:15.58 | aetheria | hmm, i guess its mature by now. i remember when it was new and kind of iffy |
| 04:16.00 | akio | what is that? |
| 04:16.14 | aetheria | "or pine" hehe |
| 04:16.18 | akio | evo has come a long way |
| 04:16.27 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 04:16.32 | akio | still slow |
| 04:16.40 | GhostlyDeath | with the debian installer CDs |
| 04:16.49 | GhostlyDeath | It always fails at "Detecting Installation Media" |
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| 04:16.55 | GhostlyDeath | where it tries to mount the CDRom |
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| 04:17.09 | helo | this is freaking killing me... the EDID isn't being detected on this monitor, so i'm stuck in 640x480 res |
| 04:17.11 | GhostlyDeath | The beginning of the installer is fine however |
| 04:17.15 | aetheria | GhostlyDeath, why not just get the new RC lenny install Cd? |
| 04:17.21 | akio | GhostlyDeath: dude, did you reset the BIOS settings and replace that ugly 40-conductor ribbon cable with an 80? |
| 04:17.30 | helo | it's a 17" crt compaq presario monitor... any idea what horiz and vert i might try? |
| 04:17.43 | akio | you got to the installer? |
| 04:17.45 | GhostlyDeath | akio: ? |
| 04:17.49 | GhostlyDeath | No I havn't |
| 04:17.49 | helo | searching for its model number doesn't turn up anything... 1725s |
| 04:18.18 | akio | the ribbon cable may be trash |
| 04:18.41 | GhostlyDeath | aetheria: Does it install GRUB then allow an option to boot the network installer which does not need a CD-ROM? |
| 04:18.50 | GhostlyDeath | The cable is brand new |
| 04:19.01 | akio | i have brought the nastiest busted up computers back to life with debian |
| 04:19.01 | GhostlyDeath | and so is the drive |
| 04:19.50 | GhostlyDeath | The windows installer worked great on it |
| 04:19.52 | akio | hmm |
| 04:20.04 | aetheria | GhostInTheShell:*$ it installs minimal system, installs boot loader, then you're good to go |
| 04:20.06 | GhostlyDeath | and Linux goes fine until it tries to mount the CD to load the real installer |
| 04:20.11 | akio | have you cleared the cmos? |
| 04:20.32 | akio | there is a jumper on the board that you can use to reset the BIOS |
| 04:20.38 | adb | helo: http://www.amazon.com/Compaq-Presario-MV740-Multimedia-Monitor/dp/B000055XYD |
| 04:20.57 | GhostlyDeath | aetheria: all from Windows? |
| 04:21.21 | helo | holy crap |
| 04:21.47 | adb | http://www.shopping.com/xPF-Compaq-Presario-1725S-17-in |
| 04:21.56 | aetheria | or you could put it on a usb stick and install that way |
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| 04:22.46 | dff_ | where is bash file located in debien and what is it called |
| 04:22.57 | dff_ | the one to edit the command prompt layout |
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| 04:23.11 | helo | well done, but that still doesn't mention the horizsync and vertrefresh i can use |
| 04:23.38 | helo | i'll try some from another 17" crt |
| 04:23.40 | adb | Max. Resolution 1280 x 1024 horiz/vert 40-75 |
| 04:23.58 | adb | Modes 1280 x 1024 |
| 04:24.32 | helo | 40-75 for the horizsync? |
| 04:25.00 | adb | for both |
| 04:25.14 | helo | hmm... never seen that before... i'll give it a shot |
| 04:25.26 | aetheria | dff_:~$ ~/.bashrc look at the $PS1 lines |
| 04:25.40 | helo | brb |
| 04:25.49 | adb | http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html |
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| 04:26.03 | dff_ | aetheria, thanks but the file isnt there, do i create one? |
| 04:26.17 | Kobaz | what's the thing you need to do to rescan your sata bus for hotswap sata... it's something in /sys... i can't remember |
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| 04:26.33 | helo | well aren't you just the shit :) |
| 04:26.52 | aetheria | dff_:~$ it should be there |
| 04:27.16 | Kobaz | found it |
| 04:27.25 | Kobaz | never mind, heh /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan |
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| 04:28.15 | adb | helo: well ? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/x-config.html |
| 04:28.26 | dff_ | aetheria, ~$ vi ~/.bashrc |
| 04:28.26 | dff_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.06 | extor | Is there an swf flash file player besides swfdec? I am looking for something which has a progress bar that you can use to advance forward or go back to different parts of the video |
| 04:29.15 | Kobaz | mmm |
| 04:29.28 | Kobaz | i think it's dead |
| 04:29.28 | Kobaz | Nov 20 00:05:33 cartman kernel: ata2: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=-19) |
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| 04:30.23 | helo | anyone use roundcube webmail? |
| 04:30.33 | helo | i'm sick of squirrelmail's '90's interface... |
| 04:30.51 | helo | err... i'm not supposed to ask that... |
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| 04:31.26 | nirupama | how to solve initramfs problem while booting |
| 04:32.32 | ramanK | What's the experimental repositorie in debian site? |
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| 04:33.13 | bullgard4 | "The directory /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.24/Documentation/netlabel/ is a directory with information on the NetLabel subsystem." What is the function of the 'Netlabel subsystem'? To what system is the 'Netlabel subsystem' subordinated? |
| 04:33.21 | aetheria | dff_:~$ copy it in from /etc/skel then |
| 04:33.24 | \amethyst | !experimental |
| 04:33.25 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 04:34.50 | Kobaz | helo: roundcube is very cool |
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| 04:35.06 | Kobaz | helo: i use it... it doesn't have as good of a plugin system... but it's quite good |
| 04:36.01 | konr | Guise, my apt mirror is down and I can't select another one with netselect because I'm behind NAT. Any suggestion on how I can get another mirror in my apt-sources? |
| 04:36.04 | adb | extor: vlc |
| 04:36.34 | ramanK | How can I add the experimental repositories in my sources.list ? |
| 04:37.09 | extor | vlc = FAIL |
| 04:37.14 | helo | Kobaz: do you use a development release, the lenny package, or what? |
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| 04:37.21 | \amethyst | "#debian does not support experimental". That said, it' |
| 04:37.42 | \amethyst | it's the same as, say, unstable |
| 04:37.49 | aetheria | konr:~$ don't understand. why can't you edit /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 04:38.43 | ramanK | ok , but i just want to add them too my sources.list , can you help me? |
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| 04:39.17 | adb | !sources.list |
| 04:39.17 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 04:39.44 | konr | aetheria: I can, but what should I append to it? |
| 04:40.20 | aetheria | konr:~$ there's a list of mirrors on the main debian site |
| 04:40.46 | ramanK | I don't know what i must write down there? |
| 04:41.28 | Kobaz | helo: i download the stuff straight from the roundrube website |
| 04:41.28 | Kobaz | helo: i never install web based apps from packages |
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| 04:43.11 | konr | Thanks! |
| 04:43.20 | konr | By the way, what irc client do you guys recommend me? |
| 04:43.47 | adb | xchat |
| 04:44.00 | DogBoy | irrsi |
| 04:44.04 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hICXlngPc4Q |
| 04:44.04 | adb | irssi |
| 04:44.04 | DogBoy | irssi |
| 04:44.09 | Agiofws | Xchat |
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| 04:44.16 | DogBoy | I use xchat though |
| 04:44.20 | dennis | konversation |
| 04:44.24 | dennis | lol |
| 04:44.25 | Agiofws | konr, look |
| 04:44.32 | \amethyst | you're not doing a test |
| 04:44.34 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:44.38 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/31640 |
| 04:44.45 | Agiofws | best client ever + bitlbee |
| 04:44.50 | adb | for kde |
| 04:44.51 | Agiofws | hey \amethyst |
| 04:45.18 | DogBoy | what's up wid dat font |
| 04:45.21 | Battosai | tell me |
| 04:45.36 | \amethyst | Agiofws: wow, it's like kindergarten IRC |
| 04:45.54 | DogBoy | what font is that Agiofws |
| 04:46.32 | Agiofws | this one |
| 04:46.40 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:46.41 | dennis | is there any command-line based irc clients? |
| 04:46.50 | DogBoy | <DogBoy> irssi |
| 04:46.51 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/31641 |
| 04:46.58 | DogBoy | weechat |
| 04:46.59 | Agiofws | dennis, irssi is cmd line |
| 04:47.05 | DogBoy | rhapsody |
| 04:47.06 | Agiofws | nice for severs that dont have giu |
| 04:47.11 | somnambulant | dennis: nope, no such thing, not any i don't think, notta one |
| 04:47.15 | dennis | ok |
| 04:47.57 | somnambulant | dennis: jk- i use irssi only |
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| 04:48.20 | dennis | lol |
| 04:48.48 | \amethyst | Agiofws: irssi is curses, I don't know that I'd say "command line" |
| 04:49.02 | DogBoy | lol |
| 04:49.02 | somnambulant | \amethyst: irssi is not curses |
| 04:49.10 | DogBoy | yea it is |
| 04:49.16 | \amethyst | terminfo then |
| 04:49.20 | \amethyst | but full-screen |
| 04:49.21 | Agiofws | \amethyst, it works in almost ANY terminal |
| 04:49.44 | Agiofws | its not Ncurses is it ? |
| 04:49.54 | Agiofws | kernel config has ncurses |
| 04:50.05 | Agiofws | make menuconfig..... |
| 04:50.28 | Agiofws | remembers doing ONCE make config on kernel :P |
| 04:50.33 | \amethyst | it's linked against ncurses anyway, but that doesn't mean it uses it for anything other than tparm |
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| 05:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bitch |
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| 05:32.30 | jpinx | do I install xorg before xfce4? or is it X11 ? |
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| 05:33.44 | ErikRose | throws Courier against the wall. |
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| 05:34.05 | ErikRose | You piece of trash. Respond to my SMTP! |
| 05:34.08 | liable | jpinx: xorg |
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| 05:34.27 | liable | jpinx: if its for your eee, se the wiki, and you can install the minimal packages |
| 05:34.29 | ErikRose | is slapped around by Courier with a moist cod. |
| 05:34.39 | jpinx | thanks liable |
| 05:34.55 | jpinx | I am doing it on the eee now |
| 05:35.10 | jpinx | base install, xorg and xfce4 |
| 05:35.43 | jpinx | then I'll add the bloat - firefox, pidgin and skype |
| 05:35.50 | jpinx | that should do me |
| 05:35.57 | pure | how do I install NVIDIA drivers on my debian system .. I tried downloading the drivers from NVIDIA and dpkg them but I get errors .. so I apt-cache searched NVIDIA but did not get a hit .. |
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| 05:36.25 | ErikRose | Anybody ever have Courier accept smtp-ssl connection but not respond to HELO or anything? When I say QUIT, it promptly replies "DONE" and closes the connection. It's something like http://markmail.org/message/izlgc2hrks4nh2lm . |
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| 05:36.58 | Anchakor | are debian packages separated into main package and header package? |
| 05:37.07 | helo | what happened to apache2-ssl-certificate? |
| 05:37.52 | ErikRose | Anchakor: Pretty much. We call them "whatever" and "whatever-dev", typically . |
| 05:38.30 | Anchakor | ErikRose: by any chance do you know if any other distros have this too? |
| 05:38.31 | ErikRose | helo: I think it turned into a dependency on ssl-cert. |
| 05:38.41 | ErikRose | Anchakor: Not off the top of my head. |
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| 05:39.22 | ErikRose | helo: Some fake but functional certs are in /etc/ssl/certs/*snakeoil*. |
| 05:39.55 | ErikRose | gives up on Courier, which unprovokedly broke after 3 good years, and installs postfix. |
| 05:40.12 | ErikRose | At least if postfix breaks, millions of people will scream. |
| 05:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... apt-cache search whatever | wc -l : 66 |
| 05:40.52 | helo | fucking shit... i just accidentally installed half of gnome with "aptitude install vim-full" |
| 05:41.03 | helo | and for some reason aptitude purge vim-full isn't undoing it |
| 05:41.07 | ErikRose | Fucking shit indeed. |
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| 05:43.37 | helo | does a aptitude purge $(grep "Setting up" pkgs|cut -d' ' -f3) |
| 05:43.55 | helo | muahaha |
| 05:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | and oops, now you've uninstalled the kernel |
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| 05:46.56 | helo | ehh i don't plan to reboot |
| 05:48.40 | jpinx | I'm doing this net install and it's getting lenny - does that mean lenny is now stable? |
| 05:49.10 | helo | it means you downloaded the testing net install cd, i bet |
| 05:49.33 | helo | is amazed at the ease of setting up apache2 with ssl |
| 05:49.34 | jpinx | cool -- so etch is still stable? |
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| 05:49.53 | helo | yeah |
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| 05:50.03 | helo | not for long... |
| 05:50.28 | jpinx | makes a note to bring up the last server from sarge to etch............. |
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| 05:52.51 | hatter | I am trying to add a 2nd slave to my dns, i have 'server x.x.x.x { keys { TRANSFER; }; in my named.conf file, but i cant work out the syntax to add another , anyone know how ? |
| 05:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freeze helo |
| 05:52.55 | dpkg | prepares to release helo. Soon. Maybe. Hopefully. |
| 05:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | slavery is outlawed |
| 05:53.56 | helo | i'm using lenny on all of my new installs (even moderately important ones) |
| 05:54.32 | helo | the only issue i've had in the last month was a thumb drive that wasn't recognized |
| 05:54.59 | DogBoy | heh, I'm installing it to thumb drives |
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| 05:59.51 | jpinx | I want a really minimal install and I have got the base system and xorg |
| 06:00.25 | jpinx | do I need a desktop or can I just add firefox and pidgin and skype ? |
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| 06:01.19 | liable | jpinx: you can just install a window manager, like openbox/fluxbox etc |
| 06:01.26 | liable | jpinx: take a look at lxde |
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| 06:02.48 | jpinx | liable - what about xcfe4? |
| 06:02.53 | jpinx | is it lighter? |
| 06:03.00 | liable | i dont think so |
| 06:03.18 | jpinx | is looking for the minimum |
| 06:08.06 | jpinx | the trouble with playing around is that you install one - don't like it and remove-purge, but you never get all the HDD space back |
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| 06:12.35 | DogBoy | jpinx, if you want minimal look at ratpoison |
| 06:12.46 | DogBoy | hard to go any more minimal than that |
| 06:12.52 | DogBoy | or just stick with console |
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| 06:23.56 | jpinx | DogBoy: I've got IceWM working - it was about 8Mbs to install |
| 06:24.10 | DogBoy | that's a good one |
| 06:24.13 | jpinx | looking for a gui filemanager now. |
| 06:24.20 | DogBoy | nice and simple and like windows |
| 06:24.36 | jpinx | the bloat comes when I have to install firefox |
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| 06:25.34 | jpinx | any ideas about a skinny filemanager DogBoy ? |
| 06:26.15 | DogBoy | mc |
| 06:26.44 | DogBoy | if you want a gui maybe thunar |
| 06:28.03 | jpinx | looks at thunar |
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| 06:31.27 | Firefishe | I've got an Asus G50V with an Intel 8281l (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller sound chip. I have no sound, save for a slight static when I play a test sound, but nothing else. |
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| 06:33.54 | SJrX | How can I mount an entire disk image, not just a partition image under the masterful GNU/Linux Operating System |
| 06:37.46 | Somni | SJrX: you don't; you only mount filesystems |
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| 06:38.20 | SJrX | Sorry I want to mount the partitions in the disk image, not the disk image itself. |
| 06:38.21 | helo | hugs slicehost |
| 06:38.26 | SJrX | hugs helo |
| 06:38.30 | hatter | SJrX, unless you mount an iso |
| 06:38.41 | SJrX | this isn't a CD |
| 06:38.44 | SJrX | it's a hard disk |
| 06:38.51 | SJrX | 76 G of raw goodness |
| 06:38.56 | hatter | what do you mean by disk image ? |
| 06:39.01 | helo | a good file manager is "rox" |
| 06:39.08 | SJrX | dd if=/dev/hdc of=/fileimage.did |
| 06:39.10 | Somni | SJrX: then you will probably need to split the one file apart into its distinct filesystems, perhaps with dd; I know of no tool for doing it for you |
| 06:39.14 | helo | rox-filer is the package |
| 06:39.41 | jpinx | thanks helo -- I was just reading about rox and wondering |
| 06:39.42 | SJrX | Somni there is no way I can just get the file to appear as like /dev/sdc and then get it to re-read the partition table on it, that sounds dubious |
| 06:39.45 | DogBoy | it has those weird icon things and on the desktop too |
| 06:39.50 | jpinx | I'll try it..... |
| 06:39.57 | helo | i've been using it for years, it is very simple and fast |
| 06:40.24 | jpinx | IceWM seems good - and light |
| 06:40.47 | hatter | SJrX, how big is it ? |
| 06:40.55 | SJrX | 76 Gigabytes of RAW goodness |
| 06:41.00 | hatter | omg |
| 06:41.25 | Somni | SJrX: that would be a "tool for doing it for you"; this is not a device, it's a file |
| 06:41.39 | SJrX | lame... |
| 06:41.48 | SJrX | Windows ME wouldn't have this problem |
| 06:41.57 | Somni | so use Windows ME |
| 06:42.03 | hatter | SJrX, you better go to #windowsme then |
| 06:42.09 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:42.18 | SJrX | Theres no one there, and with good cause |
| 06:42.23 | Firefishe | SJrX: You're use of abstract terms like RAW goodness, etc., is confusing. |
| 06:42.24 | jpinx | SJrX: what do you want to do with this 76gbs? |
| 06:42.46 | jpinx | what filesystem is it? |
| 06:43.22 | SJrX | jpinx in reality it will sit on one of my hard disks on my server, never used again. Then one day perhaps in a few years. I won't have need for a 500 G hard disk and then I'll take another DD image of the hard drive that it's on. |
| 06:43.22 | hatter | SJrX, turn it into an iso and you can mount it *grin* |
| 06:43.30 | jpinx | everything is a filesystem in Linux |
| 06:43.45 | SJrX | You can't turn it into an ISO an ISO is a CD format |
| 06:43.45 | hatter | SJrX, you could dd it into a vm |
| 06:43.56 | helo | ok, well now that i've set up an awesome lenny install on slicehost, i'm going to bed |
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| 06:44.19 | SJrX | jpinx no this has an NTFS partition, a FAT partition and a ext3 partition |
| 06:44.20 | helo | slicehost makes my pants feel too tight... |
| 06:44.27 | jpinx | helo - I'm finishing my minimum install now too. |
| 06:44.30 | hatter | SJrX, iso is just another filesystem |
| 06:44.50 | jpinx | SJrX: mount each of those filesystems then |
| 06:44.56 | jpinx | what's your problem? |
| 06:44.56 | SJrX | jpinx but they are all in one image |
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| 06:45.01 | helo | night all |
| 06:45.07 | SJrX | I don't have a file system, I have a disk image partition and all. |
| 06:45.14 | SJrX | partition table* |
| 06:45.23 | jpinx | then mount the image as an .iso |
| 06:45.35 | DogBoy | it's not an iso |
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| 06:46.01 | jpinx | when is an image not an .iso? |
| 06:46.06 | SJrX | an ISO is a cd image |
| 06:46.14 | SJrX | a DVD image is not an ISO |
| 06:46.18 | DogBoy | when it's not an iso? |
| 06:46.20 | Somni | ISO usually means ISO9660, a specific filesystem |
| 06:46.20 | SJrX | A hard disk image is not an ISO |
| 06:46.24 | hatter | SJrX, http://www.mysysad.com/2008/08/mounting-iso-and-dd-image-files.html |
| 06:46.33 | Somni | a disk image is not necessarily an ISO9660 filesystem |
| 06:46.49 | jpinx | SJrX: linux uses iso9660 to mount some wierd stuff |
| 06:46.51 | SJrX | hatter thanks for playing, but that's not what I want |
| 06:46.58 | jpinx | try it |
| 06:47.03 | SJrX | I have tried it |
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| 06:47.11 | SJrX | iso9660 does not have support for NTFS |
| 06:48.12 | jpinx | do you expect to read each individual partition after you have done a single mount? |
| 06:48.33 | jpinx | I am not sure if that is possible |
| 06:48.54 | SJrX | Well I would hope that I could simply get it to appear as a disk |
| 06:48.55 | Somni | mount expects a filesystem, not a disk image |
| 06:49.16 | SJrX | It looks like I could possibly do an offset but I doubt that would work concurrently |
| 06:49.22 | Somni | hope in one hand and crap in the other... |
| 06:49.24 | jpinx | tar it and store it ;) |
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| 06:50.00 | SJrX | You know that's not a bad idea, I imagine most of these are duplicates anyway. |
| 06:50.19 | SJrX | It was a laptop hard disk, and you never know when you're on the road and you get the hankering to see Rosanne Barr nekkid |
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| 06:50.36 | DogBoy | what's the point anyway, why did you dd it |
| 06:50.41 | SJrX | I haven't yet |
| 06:50.54 | SJrX | So that I can use this hard disk as a sneaker NET |
| 06:51.05 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:52.41 | DogBoy | so what problem are you trying to solve then |
| 06:53.17 | SJrX | Well I have this fear that for some reason a hard drive I haven't booted in 3 years in a notebook that doesn't boot any more, might need to be booted tomorrow |
| 06:53.22 | neoice | anyone ever use SELinux on Debian? |
| 06:53.52 | SJrX | I used it once of Fedora, until I figured out how to disable it |
| 06:53.58 | neoice | heh |
| 06:54.17 | Gun_Smoke | Is it possible to build and install debian under a running linux system similar to installing gentoo? |
| 06:54.31 | neoice | I'm just interested because the gentoo-hardened list seems to be constantly filled with "ZOMG SELINUX BROKE EVARYTHANG!" |
| 06:54.40 | liable | you can bootstrap it |
| 06:54.44 | neoice | but Debian tends to have very sane and well configured defaults. |
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| 06:56.17 | bonsaikitten | neoice: hmm. debian bash is broken by default, and so are quite a few other packages |
| 06:56.26 | bonsaikitten | calling that sane makes me quite sad |
| 06:56.48 | neoice | whats wrong with bash? |
| 06:57.02 | neoice | its served me well |
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| 06:57.58 | bonsaikitten | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.04 | bonsaikitten | so quite a few scripts do not work |
| 06:58.36 | bonsaikitten | and rewriting them is more work than installing a corrected built-from-source bash, which is wrong in about two dozen ways |
| 06:59.34 | neoice | I talked to a guy that was writing to a device to do socket work from bash... was he using /dev/tcp or something else? |
| 07:00.27 | bonsaikitten | most likely |
| 07:00.38 | neoice | seemed like a function that shouldnt exist to me |
| 07:00.43 | bonsaikitten | using netcat or ssh can be done, but why not use the builtins ... |
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| 07:01.05 | bonsaikitten | not your call though, upstream made it so |
| 07:01.28 | bonsaikitten | are you going to disable "case" statements because you don't like them either? |
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| 07:03.09 | neoice | no because thats a basic control structure. |
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| 07:04.00 | bonsaikitten | but if/elif is idempotent |
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| 07:05.17 | neoice | well, yes |
| 07:05.26 | neoice | *shrug* its pretty much entirely subjective |
| 07:05.43 | neoice | someone starts talking to me about writing a webapp in bash, I go O_o |
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| 07:06.03 | neoice | since yes, it's possible. but just because its possible, doesnt mean its a good idea |
| 07:06.38 | bonsaikitten | hey, irc bots in bash are fun ;) |
| 07:06.49 | bonsaikitten | although I agree that there are better languages/tools for that |
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| 07:09.51 | neoice | is there a particular IRC bot in bash that comes to mind? |
| 07:09.52 | ErikRose_ | Gah! There was never anything wrong with my Courier config. Comcast had just started blocking port 25 outgoing without telling me! |
| 07:09.58 | ErikRose_ | The bastages. |
| 07:10.06 | neoice | I've been playing with python writing an IRC bot, so its of particular interest to me |
| 07:10.14 | ErikRose_ | They could have at least sent REJECT packets. |
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| 07:10.35 | bonsaikitten | ErikRose_: now that is braindamage. Best to nag their tech support every day and stop paying your bills ;) |
| 07:10.37 | ErikRose_ | neoice: There's supybot, already in Python. :-) |
| 07:10.49 | ErikRose_ | bonsaikitten: Heh, that'll make all my ports drop. |
| 07:10.50 | bonsaikitten | neoice: there's more than one, and they are all scary |
| 07:10.56 | bonsaikitten | modularbot > supybot ;) |
| 07:11.06 | neoice | erikrose_: yeah, I know, but I wanted to make my own (even if its crappy) |
| 07:11.06 | ErikRose_ | Is there a package? |
| 07:11.14 | neoice | and I also wanted to build some custom functionality |
| 07:11.18 | ErikRose_ | neoice: Sure, but it's a handy example. |
| 07:11.30 | neoice | I poked at Phinny since it was the first google hit |
| 07:11.34 | ErikRose_ | Or you can write plugins for supybot or modularbot or whatever. |
| 07:11.46 | ErikRose_ | Might be an easier start. |
| 07:11.58 | ErikRose_ | We wrote some. Very easy. |
| 07:12.24 | ErikRose_ | https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/browser/weblion/weblion.psu.edu/ircPlugins |
| 07:12.29 | neoice | its actually not that hard to make it from scratch |
| 07:12.38 | neoice | the socket stuff is really simple |
| 07:12.47 | ErikRose_ | Yep, as long as you understand IRC |
| 07:12.56 | neoice | thats what the RFC + wireshark are for |
| 07:13.03 | ErikRose_ | GOod for you! |
| 07:13.08 | ErikRose_ | heartily approves. |
| 07:13.14 | neoice | haha |
| 07:13.22 | neoice | that on its own was interesting |
| 07:13.22 | ErikRose_ | Be careful; you might end up with something RFC-compliant. |
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| 07:13.42 | neoice | because you dont realize that "channels" are really just a construct |
| 07:13.47 | ErikRose_ | Yep |
| 07:13.56 | neoice | and that the syntax for sending a normal message vs a private message is the same. |
| 07:13.58 | ErikRose_ | There are so many filterings that clients *could* be offering us. |
| 07:14.05 | neoice | I mean, once you see it, it makes perfect sense |
| 07:14.11 | neoice | but from a user perspective, its transparent |
| 07:14.12 | ErikRose_ | Sometimes I'd like to mix low-traffic channels in one window |
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| 07:14.19 | ErikRose_ | I should probably just be reading the console. |
| 07:14.34 | ErikRose_ | I think this client offers that⦠|
| 07:14.35 | neoice | I feel like I used to have an IRC client that was 1 window |
| 07:14.49 | neoice | I think it was EPIC4 on OSX... but I could be wrong... or I could have been using it wrong. |
| 07:15.07 | ErikRose_ | Yep, smack the Console button in Colloquy, and that's what you get. |
| 07:15.27 | ErikRose_ | FWIW, that's not a bad debugging tool itself. |
| 07:15.36 | neoice | what isnt? |
| 07:15.53 | ErikRose_ | Anything involving MS ADO drivers |
| 07:16.15 | ErikRose_ | Oookay, now to sign some certs |
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| 07:18.07 | ErikRose_ | I might just send Comcast an official-looking invoice for some small amount, to cover my anger and holes in the wall, and see if they pay it. |
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| 07:18.47 | ErikRose_ | Fucking switched mail servers for no reason grumblegrumble. |
| 07:18.59 | neoice | I'm so glad I can get fios |
| 07:19.09 | neoice | they even upgraded me to the 20/5 and charged me less :D |
| 07:19.16 | ErikRose_ | can't even get DSL, which is available across the street. |
| 07:21.05 | DogBoy | and then you see all this talk about how broadband is so competitive |
| 07:21.12 | DogBoy | my ass |
| 07:21.45 | dustybin | if one does cd // why do 2x / appear? |
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| 07:22.59 | neoice | dustybin: I've always wondered that myself |
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| 07:28.38 | mac123 | hi i have server with 2NIC 2x100Mb/s but i only get 100Mb/s is it possible to config them to be used separately |
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| 07:32.34 | TiMiDo | hey i have a question i recently reinstall debian. but i had my gpg key. and i do not want to create another one. how do i import my old gpg key ? |
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| 07:40.09 | orveldv | hey is someone using some old ISA network card by chance ? I'm struggling with one of those here and with the "ne" module |
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| 07:46.16 | loxley_ | TiMiDo: do you have the key copied? |
| 07:46.29 | TiMiDo | yeah loxley_ |
| 07:46.37 | loxley_ | TiMiDo: then gpg --import it |
| 07:47.20 | TiMiDo | loxley_, done but i cannot see it on my seahorse |
| 07:47.22 | TiMiDo | afraid |
| 07:48.01 | loxley_ | TiMiDo: dont know if you need to set the trust to ultimate or something |
| 07:48.08 | TiMiDo | loxley_, ? |
| 07:48.15 | loxley_ | TiMiDo: not using seahorse |
| 07:48.23 | jpinx | I've got lenny and IceWM and firefox installed, but firefox doesn't start - any ideas anyone? |
| 07:48.24 | TiMiDo | oh ic |
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| 08:26.52 | f1y | Hi. |
| 08:27.12 | f1y | In which package for lenny is alsaconf/alsamixer? |
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| 08:31.45 | fredj | f1y, alsa-utils (http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages, "Search the contents of packages", type alsaconf and set distribution to testing) |
| 08:31.45 | idisjunction | alsa-utils |
| 08:32.46 | ErikRose_ | FUcking postfix. |
| 08:32.51 | f1y | Ah, yes, thank You. I use zsh, forgot to relogin after installing it. |
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| 08:34.09 | ^shark_2 | does barnyard get configured too after an apt-get install snort snort-mysql |
| 08:36.21 | ^shark_2 | i am trying to enable; mysql,barnyard,oinkmaster with snort inary installation |
| 08:36.29 | ^shark_2 | binary* |
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| 08:37.55 | mad_muppet | I have tried installing a nvidia driver and got an error saying I was using the wrong gcc version .. gcc-4.3 instead of gcc-4.1 can I install 4.1 without causing conflicts with 4.3 or do I have to uninstall 4.3 first use 4.1 and reinstall 4.3 at a later date? |
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| 08:38.41 | ^shark_2 | mad_muppet: just install gcc-4.1 and the missing deps will be corrected |
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| 08:42.47 | jelly-home | mad_muppet: are you trying to use nvidia's own installer? |
| 08:43.03 | mad_muppet | shark_2:when I try and apt-get install gcc-4.1 I get a message saying gcc-4.1 is already the newest version .. when I gcc --version I get gcc (Debian 4.3.2-1) 4.3.2 |
| 08:43.35 | jelly-home | !+tell mad_muppet -about nvidia |
| 08:43.36 | dpkg | told mad_muppet about nvidia. |
| 08:44.46 | mad_muppet | jelly-home:Im using a page off debians site .. it gives options and Im trying to install using the debian way .. |
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| 08:45.15 | mad_muppet | but I have to use the same gcc version as what compiled the kernel .. |
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| 08:46.16 | xingu | jelly-home: the nvidia maint needs a boot up the bum, what debian considers stable is a downrev version of the now-legacy series for gf5 and below |
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| 08:46.38 | mad_muppet | thanks though for pointing me to nvidia .. go and ask them some questions ..:p |
| 08:46.54 | jelly-home | xingu: no backports or anything? |
| 08:46.57 | mad_muppet | Im using an 8500GT |
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| 08:47.20 | f1y | Huh, dwm as a dependency to wmii? |
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| 08:48.03 | xingu | jelly-home: not a sausage; "I'm alright jack" because I package my own from the maint's skeleton anyway (he's made it remarkably easy to do so, two file in the source package and boom, that's it) |
| 08:49.07 | Eulex | f1y, no. wmii depends upon dwm-tools, and dwm-tools recommends dwm. |
| 08:49.20 | xingu | jelly-home: upstream the branches are 71.86.x for tnt/tnt2/gf/some gf2, 96.43.x for gf2-gf4 inclusive, 173.14.x for gf5, and 177.x for gf6+ |
| 08:50.18 | xingu | jelly-home: eventually all the pre-purevideo2 hardware (so gf6/7 and some g80's) will drop off - I'd assume in the 180.x branch. |
| 08:51.43 | xingu | jelly-home: the difference in _stability_ between say debian-sid-current (173.14.09) and stable (177.82) on gf7 hardware is ... astonishing |
| 08:52.07 | jelly-home | eh. |
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| 08:52.19 | vaq | Can I get a view of what files a .deb file contains? |
| 08:52.23 | xingu | jelly-home: the difference in _performance_ (current v 180.08) is likewise amazing |
| 08:53.15 | jelly-home | vaq: an installed one, dpkg -L packagename |
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| 08:53.33 | jelly-home | vaq: a .deb, dpkg --contents |
| 08:53.35 | xingu | jelly-home: there were a bunch of regressions solved between the 173.14.early and 177.current branches; some of them have made it into 173.14.12 but not all. |
| 08:54.47 | ErikRose_ | gets bloodied by every mailserver he tries. |
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| 08:54.57 | ErikRose_ | Everything worked 3 weeks ago. |
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| 08:55.35 | ErikRose_ | Anybody ever have Postfix yell "RENEGOTIATING" every time you say "RCPT TO:..." over SMTP-SSL and refuse to accept the comment? |
| 08:55.38 | ErikRose_ | command, rather? |
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| 08:58.12 | ^shark_1 | !ssh |
| 08:58.13 | dpkg | [ssh] Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
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| 08:59.09 | ErikRose_ | vaq: dpkg --contents whatever.deb |
| 08:59.54 | sep | ErikRose_, are you using s_client ? try lowercase |
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| 09:00.08 | ErikRose_ | I am using s_client, yes. I shall try. |
| 09:00.46 | ErikRose_ | Holy fucking shit. It worked. |
| 09:00.50 | ErikRose_ | hugs sep. |
| 09:00.54 | ErikRose_ | cries a little. |
| 09:00.58 | sep | s_client is a bit mad |
| 09:01.14 | ErikRose_ | Is there something less mad, for future reference? |
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| 09:01.23 | sep | it intercepts all lines that start with capital R and renegotiates TLS |
| 09:01.36 | ErikRose_ | Oh, that's capitally charming. |
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| 09:01.46 | ErikRose_ | Shades of the python debugger |
| 09:02.03 | ErikRose_ | Thank you SO MUCH. You do not know how many holes I've punched in my walls tonight. |
| 09:02.22 | ErikRose_ | has been chasing this for 3 weeks. |
| 09:02.37 | ^shark_1 | i read somewhere its best to install snort using packages not binaries, why is this so? |
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| 09:02.56 | sep | ErikRose_, well it's not something one would expect...normally |
| 09:03.01 | ErikRose_ | Of course, it still doesn't work with my actual mail client. :-( |
| 09:03.08 | ErikRose_ | WTF, mail client? |
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| 09:03.51 | ErikRose_ | What I can't get is why my Courier setup which had worked for years would suddenly stop answering SMTP-SSL commands, except for QUIT. |
| 09:04.16 | ErikRose_ | That, as it turns out, is not an easy thing to google for. |
| 09:05.34 | sep | ErikRose_, thought you said postfix earlier |
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| 09:05.49 | ErikRose_ | sep: I installed postfix, hoping that it'd work. |
| 09:06.01 | ErikRose_ | I'm about to try exim now. |
| 09:06.10 | ErikRose_ | I'm at my wits' end. |
| 09:06.28 | sep | ErikRose_, so you can not sent mail using postfix ? |
| 09:06.42 | ErikRose_ | I can send it great by hand, with openssl s_client. |
| 09:07.11 | sep | stay at postfix it's the best :) |
| 09:07.30 | ErikRose_ | Yeah, that's what I use at work. |
| 09:07.47 | sep | what do your logs say when your mailclient fail to send ? |
| 09:07.51 | ErikRose_ | warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed |
| 09:07.59 | sep | also there is a #postfix ;) |
| 09:08.04 | ErikRose_ | good point |
| 09:08.14 | ErikRose_ | I should probably join #wtf instead, though. |
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| 09:09.00 | psu3 | hi #debian |
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| 09:09.02 | sep | ErikRose_, assuming you use the right password. perhaps problems with different pasword hash types ? |
| 09:09.16 | psu3 | i'm lookig for the url for the debian netinst backport |
| 09:09.22 | psu3 | can someone help me ? |
| 09:09.26 | ErikRose_ | possible. Let me try shadow. |
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| 09:11.06 | streuner_ | is there a bug in etch&half about "su", i cannot log in as root in fluxbox via xterm or gnome-terminal? |
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| 09:12.25 | sep | !kmuto |
| 09:12.26 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 09:12.35 | sep | psu3, is it thatone ? |
| 09:12.48 | psu3 | yup ! |
| 09:12.52 | psu3 | thank you ;) |
| 09:13.30 | psu3 | i have some problem with "hp embedded raid" so i want to try a newer kernel |
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| 09:15.03 | bonsaikitten | streuner_: are you in wheel group? |
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| 09:23.25 | streuner_ | bonsaikitten: why, /me thought, in etch you doesnt need to be in that group? |
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| 09:24.15 | ltune | hello, what to change to run testing net install on smartcard? |
| 09:25.03 | TiMiDo | anyone in here knows how to restore a gpg key? |
| 09:25.59 | ltune | private keys are stored usually local on your computer, use your backup |
| 09:26.25 | TiMiDo | ltune, i have it but how do i make it show on seahorse ? |
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| 09:26.41 | TiMiDo | .asc |
| 09:26.45 | TiMiDo | i have that file |
| 09:26.58 | jelly-home | TiMiDo: import it into the correct keyring |
| 09:27.12 | alcohol | mornin' all |
| 09:27.17 | TiMiDo | jelly-home, how? |
| 09:27.32 | ltune | does it have an import function Timido? |
| 09:27.56 | jelly-home | TiMiDo: there's an obvious argument for gpg command line, --import |
| 09:27.56 | TiMiDo | ltune, seahorse yeah |
| 09:28.03 | ltune | like "import keys" ;) |
| 09:28.20 | TiMiDo | gpg: key 552160A7: "Aaron H Farias Martinez <farias.aaron@gmail.com>" not changed |
| 09:28.20 | TiMiDo | gpg: Total number processed: 1 |
| 09:28.20 | TiMiDo | gpg: unchanged: 1 |
| 09:28.27 | TiMiDo | that's what I've got ltune |
| 09:28.44 | ltune | well thats what the .asc contanis |
| 09:28.52 | ltune | *contains |
| 09:28.59 | TiMiDo | ltune, okey now what? |
| 09:29.27 | ltune | now if there are not the keys you want then search for the other .asc |
| 09:30.13 | TiMiDo | that's the key that i've want ltune |
| 09:30.29 | ltune | ok so all is ok then? |
| 09:31.27 | TiMiDo | ltune, but on my seahorse does not show |
| 09:32.04 | ltune | hmm well i am using enigmail on thunderbird/icedove so i really cannot say then.. |
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| 09:32.43 | TiMiDo | and seahorse has and import option but still does not work though. |
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| 09:33.31 | ltune | sorry mate don't know |
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| 09:34.59 | buu | Hrm. If I have BoxA behind a fireall and boxB outside the firewall, on the internet, can I somehow tunnel, via ssh or similar, from A to B such that I could later use B to connect to A? |
| 09:35.28 | OpenTokix | buu: openvpn or reverse ssh-tunnel, I would go with openvpn |
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| 09:37.54 | buu | Thanks, reverse ssh seems rather simpler though.. |
| 09:38.09 | tralala | it isn't |
| 09:38.12 | OpenTokix | buu: when you are outside the network and your ssh-tunnel dies =) |
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| 09:38.38 | OpenTokix | buu: ssh == simple and brittle, openvpn == somewhat more complicated for a firsttimer, more robust |
| 09:38.43 | tralala | openvpn is simple and it's created to do that |
| 09:38.44 | buu | Yay brittle! |
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| 09:39.01 | OpenTokix | buu: openvpn will also let you connect to B with machine C and mount nfs-shares on machine A! |
| 09:39.07 | buu | I'm using linux. It has to be brittle and jerry rigged. It's required by law. |
| 09:39.12 | OpenTokix | properly configured vpn ofc. =) |
| 09:39.18 | OpenTokix | buu: ? |
| 09:39.35 | petemc | itym jury rigged |
| 09:39.39 | buu | Look, if you can't whip it up with a couple of bash scripts and a bizarre use of cat, it's just not worth doing. |
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| 09:40.07 | Somni | no, jerry rigged |
| 09:40.15 | OpenTokix | buu: I think you are confusing linux with solaris |
| 09:40.18 | buu | # The term "jerry-rigged" is a relatively recent mingling (or perhaps garbling) of "jury rig" with "jerry-built".[8] |
| 09:40.22 | buu | =[ |
| 09:40.29 | OpenTokix | Solaris is like unix, but without powerful tools that are easy to use. |
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| 09:40.42 | ltune | anyone installed debian form smart-card? |
| 09:41.00 | tralala | ltune, have you? |
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| 09:41.39 | ltune | i am trying.. bios does not detect there is a bootable image, tralala.. |
| 09:41.39 | buu | OpenTokix: Well, I'll look in to openvpn, but it's hard to beat the single ssh command line. |
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| 09:42.17 | OpenTokix | buu: yeah, until that ssh-tunnel breaks |
| 09:42.37 | ltune | i exactly copied contents from cd on smart-card and set to boot from removable images.. |
| 09:43.05 | th0ger | Hi, a2ps wraps lines by column (so i breaks words). How can i make it wrap by words instead??? |
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| 09:43.31 | Guerin | th0ger: pipe through sed or similar |
| 09:43.36 | buu | OpenTokix: It's not mission critical. But I just opened up the openvpn.net docs and it's like 500 pages. Reading is pretty hard. |
| 09:43.42 | tralala | ltune, follow the usb install guide (/msg dpkg usb install) |
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| 09:44.11 | th0ger | Guerin: to do what? |
| 09:44.12 | ltune | thx, tralala |
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| 09:44.20 | Guerin | th0ger: to nuke the extraneous newlines |
| 09:44.42 | psu3 | i have a problem with a DL180G5 HP server |
| 09:44.48 | Guerin | (or hyphens or whatall else) |
| 09:45.14 | th0ger | Guerin: do you know what a2ps does? |
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| 09:45.24 | psu3 | i create an array RAID0 with the embedded hp raid and when i launch the debian installer, it see 2 disk instead of one array |
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| 09:45.44 | jelly-home | psu3: what raid card is in there? |
| 09:45.46 | Guerin | th0ger: yes, it converts things to postscript. I presume you're havint trouble with a source which doesn't fit your destination page layout |
| 09:45.48 | OpenTokix | buu: yeah, straining on life beeing lazy and all |
| 09:46.01 | Guerin | (though reading back I see that's not a certainty) |
| 09:46.04 | psu3 | jelly-home: "HP embedded RAID" |
| 09:46.13 | jelly-home | psu3: more specific, please |
| 09:46.17 | buu | OpenTokix: Totally. |
| 09:46.20 | OpenTokix | HP embedded raid is just intel-fake-raid usally |
| 09:46.33 | psu3 | jelly-home: i didn't find more informations but i will try to |
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| 09:46.34 | OpenTokix | buu: I can guarantee you will be very happy with openvpn, if you digg into it. |
| 09:46.36 | jelly-home | that would explain it |
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| 09:47.17 | jelly-home | psu3: proliant servers can have 2-3 different raid cards inside. is this the cheapest one? |
| 09:47.17 | psu3 | so you think i have to build a soft raid ? |
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| 09:47.24 | buu | OpenTokix: I'm thinking about it |
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| 09:47.26 | th0ger | Guerin: yes, the lines are larger than 80 chars (or whatever). So you propose to make sed insert newlines appropriate places? |
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| 09:47.56 | jelly-home | psu3: do you have sata or sas disks? |
| 09:48.00 | psu3 | jelly-home: yes it one of the cheapest but i was far away to imagine it was fake raid ... |
| 09:48.03 | psu3 | sata |
| 09:48.10 | jelly-home | it's likely fakeraid |
| 09:48.10 | psu3 | 4x160 SATA |
| 09:48.32 | OpenTokix | buu: I have a openvpn with 104 host running at my back office, network |
| 09:48.37 | Guerin | th0ger: oh, so you're having to break lines up to fit your new layout. Hm. that's what I'd do if it were possible to predict the column width accurately in characters, but unless you're using a fixed-width font it won't be. |
| 09:48.41 | psu3 | so it's just bullshit, and i will have to configure the bios to SATA instead of RAID and build a soft raid ? |
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| 09:48.49 | buu | OpenTokix: Yeah, and I just need to sneak in to a machine at work behind a firewall |
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| 09:49.05 | OpenTokix | buu: don't you have a workstation? |
| 09:49.10 | buu | OpenTokix: Well, yes. |
| 09:49.17 | OpenTokix | buu: install onto that one |
| 09:49.19 | jelly-home | psu3: that will be a cleanest solution |
| 09:49.24 | buu | OpenTokix: Yeah yeah |
| 09:49.27 | jelly-home | s/a/the/ |
| 09:49.29 | buu | I thought about it |
| 09:49.37 | buu | My head started to hurt |
| 09:49.59 | psu3 | jelly-home: but not the best regarding performances .... i'm really hangry against HP :/ |
| 09:50.08 | tralala | psu3, lvm can do raid. It's pretty cool - I'm using it myself |
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| 09:50.20 | jelly-home | psu3: you bought an entry level server |
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| 09:50.33 | buu | psu3: Not to be excessively obvious, but since you bought a machine from someone, you could just go ask them.. |
| 09:50.35 | psu3 | tralala: i'll use LVM for MySQL (i already use it and it's just perfect ! :) ) |
| 09:50.57 | tralala | psu3, well, now you can do your raid with it as well |
| 09:50.58 | psu3 | buu: i already bought a DL180G5 6 month ago but with real rai |
| 09:51.09 | psu3 | i haven't seen it was not the same controller :/ |
| 09:51.11 | th0ger | Guerin: i guess i'll just pipe it though emacs then to make the line wraps :-) |
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| 09:51.51 | jelly-home | psu3: compare the list of part number you got; there might have been an ommision on the distributor's end |
| 09:52.05 | jelly-home | psu3: also, compare lspci output |
| 09:52.42 | psu3 | jelly-home: i think so because it was written 8 hot swap bay and there is only 4 controller available ... |
| 09:53.03 | psu3 | i think this server will go back to his distributor ... |
| 09:53.09 | Guerin | th0ger: good luck with that. |
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| 09:55.52 | lancelot_ | hallo everybody |
| 09:56.02 | lancelot_ | is there anyone using fvwm-crystal? |
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| 10:00.28 | mad_muppet | whats the best way to install flash on my lenny iceweasel 3.0.3? |
| 10:02.36 | tralala | using the debian provided non free package |
| 10:02.39 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 10:03.04 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: if you run 32bit, go with the package, if you use 64 bit, download the alpha.so for native support. |
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| 10:03.56 | mad_muppet | OpenTokix: 64 |
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| 10:05.02 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: then the alpha 64bit, linux .so is a nicer path, you don't need the pluginwrapper crapfest. |
| 10:05.05 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: hold on for url |
| 10:05.22 | mad_muppet | thanks a lot .. |
| 10:05.33 | mihkel | Hi, can someone give me a hint why some youtube videos flicker or dither |
| 10:05.47 | mihkel | debian lenny and adobe Shockwave Flash 10.0 r12 |
| 10:05.53 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
| 10:06.16 | mad_muppet | OpenTokix: appreciate the effort thanks |
| 10:06.57 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: you copy the so to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 10:07.39 | OpenTokix | mad_muppet: and restart iceweasle ofc. |
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| 10:08.40 | mihkel | flash package is from debian-multimedia |
| 10:08.51 | mihkel | example of a flickery video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NlMYWuGUZlM |
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| 10:12.04 | simonrvn | mihkel: flash 10 is really iffy on linux/x86 |
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| 10:12.18 | simonrvn | slower than 9, when supposedly faster |
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| 10:12.45 | mihkel | simonrvn, well on my machine 9 was slower than 10 |
| 10:12.57 | mihkel | due to lack og hardware acceleration i guess |
| 10:13.03 | OpenTokix | mihkel: works for me, very funny movieto |
| 10:13.04 | mihkel | lack of* |
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| 10:13.21 | mihkel | I know. the problem is with my machine |
| 10:13.37 | mihkel | I need some hints how to track this problem |
| 10:13.47 | simonrvn | 9 was slower than 10, some for flash applets, for me. i don't have sse2 on this cpu (first gen. athlon) |
| 10:14.14 | mihkel | I have athlon thunderbird :P |
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| 10:17.50 | alcohol | I have something with blew blinking leds at the front of the casing |
| 10:17.54 | alcohol | blue |
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| 10:25.12 | Jckf | How can I get the current CPU load in %? |
| 10:25.47 | OpenTokix | Jckf: top, kinda =) |
| 10:25.48 | alcohol | apt-get install htop |
| 10:27.10 | Jckf | Oh. Pretty ^^ |
| 10:27.25 | Jckf | OpenTokix: I'm looking for something I could parse in PHP though |
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| 10:28.53 | OpenTokix | Jckf: oh, snmp =) |
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| 10:30.17 | Agiofws | hello |
| 10:30.24 | Eulex | Jckf, top -n 1 |
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| 10:31.07 | blizzkid | lo all, I know this is not really debian-related, but does anyone know what tool/script/... sets the shell for a live cd user? |
| 10:31.29 | OpenTokix | blizzkid: huh? |
| 10:31.42 | Eulex | blizzkid, uh. /etc/passwd, as usual? |
| 10:32.49 | blizzkid | Eulex, OpenTokix let me explain... when you boot a live cd, the /etc/passwd is adapted by some tool/script... if you mount the cd before booting it, the Live CD user is _not_ in /etc/passwd, so it must be done during boot |
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| 10:36.59 | Seldaek | hi.. can anyone have a look at that please before I blow everything up by trying random things ? http://pastie.org/319529 |
| 10:37.09 | Seldaek | just logged into the machine and it did that |
| 10:37.34 | Seldaek | dpkg runs but that's about it |
| 10:37.34 | dpkg | Seldaek: I give up, what is it? |
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| 10:37.53 | OpenTokix | blizzkid: lunch |
| 10:37.59 | OpenTokix | blizzkid: sorry, need to go =) |
| 10:38.03 | blizzkid | np |
| 10:38.13 | Seldaek | dpkg: bot? |
| 10:38.14 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:38.17 | Seldaek | okay |
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| 10:38.38 | Seldaek | so.. anyone please?:/ |
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| 10:45.16 | Eulex | blizzkid, is this a question about debian live? |
| 10:45.48 | blizzkid | Eulex: yeah |
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| 10:47.33 | Jckf | Would it be wrong of me to calculate the CPU load % by doing loadavg*100/cores? If processes have to wait, that would imply 100% load, no? |
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| 10:49.06 | Eulex | blizzkid, I do not know the answer, but you could take a look at live-helper, and/or send a mail to the debian-live mailing list (I believe there is one) |
| 10:49.15 | Eulex | Jckf, no, that would be very incorrect. |
| 10:50.13 | Jckf | Ah poo. I'll parse mpstat's output then |
| 10:50.56 | Eulex | Jckf, if the load was 3.0 with 1 core, would you display 300%? If there was something causing infinite io wait an application (this is included in linux load calculation), would you display 100% even though the cpu is almost idle? |
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| 10:52.46 | Jckf | Eulex: You're right. Thanks |
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| 10:53.29 | joneal | hi |
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| 11:14.45 | hoodlum | cold land |
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| 11:17.08 | liable | warm women? |
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| 11:19.16 | Jckf | What can I do to put a load on my CPU for a little while? |
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| 11:19.32 | liable | compile something? |
| 11:19.36 | liable | cpuburn? |
| 11:19.38 | Eulex | Jckf, try stress or cpuburn |
| 11:20.23 | Jckf | Yep. Just found CPU Burn on Google |
| 11:20.49 | simonrvn | Jckf: cpuburn? |
| 11:20.52 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 11:21.37 | liable | not sure if it was mentioned, but cpuburn might do it. |
| 11:22.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:22.09 | simonrvn | hello liable |
| 11:22.12 | OpenTokix | Jckf: I use bc -l =) |
| 11:22.16 | liable | g'day simonrvn |
| 11:22.28 | OpenTokix | Jckf: bc -l scale=10000; 4*a(1) |
| 11:22.46 | OpenTokix | Jckf: single thread tho |
| 11:22.56 | Jckf | Single core |
| 11:23.17 | Jckf | syntax error near unexpected token `1' |
| 11:23.23 | OpenTokix | bc -l |
| 11:23.33 | OpenTokix | scale=10000 |
| 11:23.35 | OpenTokix | 4*a(1) |
| 11:23.38 | Jckf | CPU Burn works fine though |
| 11:23.40 | liable | l for limabeans |
| 11:23.47 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 11:26.25 | joltcan | OpenTokix: I think you meant echo "scale=10000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l |
| 11:27.38 | OpenTokix | joltcan: coolers |
| 11:27.42 | OpenTokix | joltcan: oneliner ftw. |
| 11:27.46 | joltcan | Yes! :) |
| 11:28.40 | joltcan | <3 | |
| 11:28.40 | hmann | i am naked right now |
| 11:28.40 | hmann | seriously |
| 11:28.40 | Jckf | Hot |
| 11:28.40 | OpenTokix | echo "über" | joltcan |
| 11:28.40 | joltcan | hmann: Good for you |
| 11:28.40 | hmann | Jckf: thx |
| 11:28.40 | hmann | joltcan: du |
| 11:28.40 | hmann | fu |
| 11:28.56 | OpenTokix | ? |
| 11:29.09 | OpenTokix | hmann: I seriously think joltcan thinks it is good for you |
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| 11:31.59 | tuxcrafter | how do i get command completion like apt-get install TABTAB |
| 11:32.07 | tuxcrafter | i already installed |
| 11:32.14 | tuxcrafter | bash-completion |
| 11:32.17 | tuxcrafter | and rebooted |
| 11:32.59 | jelly | OpenTokix: mmm, pie |
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| 11:33.36 | jelly | a = arctan? |
| 11:34.02 | OpenTokix | jelly: yes |
| 11:34.08 | OpenTokix | jelly: 4*a(1) == pi |
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| 11:43.48 | yang | Someone could recommend a good "website statistic (graphing)" program for monitoring multiple vhosts ? |
| 11:44.16 | yang | teh last time I was using webalizer |
| 11:44.34 | koollman | awstat, with some scripting to get per-vhost stats |
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| 11:49.21 | power | hi,is there a way to find out what package to install that provides "/bin/foo" ,or foo command ? |
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| 11:52.59 | kryptoz | hi.. I have trouble enabling the volume control buttons on a dell d620.. |
| 11:53.34 | kryptoz | the hardware buttons doesnt work at all in my lenny installation. Any pointers ? |
| 11:56.12 | themill | dpkg: tell power about apt-file |
| 11:56.26 | jelly | power: also /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:56.50 | jelly | slow apt-file is slow |
| 11:57.10 | jelly | !find bin/zsh$ etch |
| 11:57.31 | themill | apt-file is much faster than asking dpkg... |
| 11:58.04 | power | themill, jelly thanks, but i need to mention again, i dont have /bin/foo, i need to find out what package should i install to have it |
| 11:58.20 | themill | power: yes... that's what apt-file is for |
| 11:58.28 | power | ok thanks |
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| 12:02.40 | up365 | http://www.debian.org/News/project/2008/15/ |
| 12:03.17 | runa_ | kwlan renamed my wifi device from eth0 to eth0_rename |
| 12:03.20 | runa_ | how shoul i get it back to eth0 |
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| 12:03.55 | pi-equiv | nd |
| 12:03.59 | power | themill, ty |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/zsh' returned no results. |
| 12:05.33 | themill | dpkg: you're slow |
| 12:05.34 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!1! |
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| 12:06.06 | lazyfrosch | dpkg: love you |
| 12:06.06 | dpkg | makes love to you, caressing you's hair, whispering sweet nothings in you's ear... |
| 12:06.32 | Orion_X11 | My "/" is 100% used and my /home is huge. The system is complaining about root space. Can I make room for "/" taking from "/home" with gparted? |
| 12:06.55 | rdz | hi all. is it safe to use parted to resize/extend an existing hfs+ partition? |
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| 12:07.51 | OpenTokix | Orion_X11: delete something from / instead |
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| 12:08.55 | Orion_X11 | OpenTokix: I will break my system if I do that |
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| 12:09.53 | Orion_X11 | I would prefer to take room from /home and give that to / |
| 12:10.27 | defrysk | Orion_X11, how large is your / ? |
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| 12:10.56 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.37 | jelly | !find bin/zsh etch |
| 12:11.41 | Orion_X11 | defrysk: 6.5g |
| 12:11.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/zsh' (7): (/bin/zsh4) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/bin/zsh30) in shells/zsh30 ;; (/bin/zsh-beta) in shells/zsh-beta ;; (/bin/zsh4-static) in shells/zsh-static ;; (/bin/zsh30-static) in shells/zsh30-static ;; (/usr/lib/debug/bin/zsh4.dbg) in devel/zsh-dbg ;; (/usr/sbin/zshutdown_notify) in net/zephyr-clients. |
| 12:11.50 | liable | tuxcrafter: it doesnt work like that. bash tab completion can only do the first tab (ie, the first program) |
| 12:12.00 | defrysk | Orion_X11, plenty large i would think |
| 12:12.19 | defrysk | Orion_X11, try apt-get clean |
| 12:12.39 | Orion_X11 | defrysk: but only 346mb free |
| 12:13.02 | defrysk | Orion_X11, how did you manage to fill that all up ? |
| 12:13.11 | Orion_X11 | defrysk: and 70g home free |
| 12:13.30 | OpenTokix | Orion_X11: where is all your space gone? |
| 12:14.05 | Orion_X11 | OpenTokix: I do not know, but /usr is taking nearly 5g |
| 12:14.24 | OpenTokix | Orion_X11: du -sh /usr/* |
| 12:14.28 | OpenTokix | Orion_X11: as root |
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| 12:15.25 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: have a look inside /etc/bash.bashrc and look for bash_completion |
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| 12:16.10 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: thanks |
| 12:16.22 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: np |
| 12:16.36 | Orion_X11 | OpenTokix: /usr = 4g |
| 12:16.37 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: hmm strange |
| 12:16.55 | tuxcrafter | i use the same config file on one of my sid systems and it does have sudo tab ta |
| 12:16.56 | Orion_X11 | 1.6G/usr/lib |
| 12:17.07 | Orion_X11 | 2.6G/usr/share |
| 12:17.21 | Orion_X11 | The biggest |
| 12:17.43 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: when you have removed the comments you also have to load the file via /etc/profile or |
| 12:17.58 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: ~/.profile, just insert ". /etc/bash.bashrc" |
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| 12:18.35 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: i got bash completion on |
| 12:18.39 | tuxcrafter | but not compleet |
| 12:18.52 | tuxcrafter | if it is bash completion that does this trick |
| 12:18.56 | tuxcrafter | apt-get tab tab |
| 12:18.57 | Orion_X11 | What should I do? |
| 12:19.00 | tuxcrafter | sudo tab tab |
| 12:19.50 | defrysk | Orion_X11, find out what folder clogs up /usr/share |
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| 12:20.15 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: enter this on the prompt: ". /etc/bash_completion" and try again |
| 12:20.39 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: ack |
| 12:20.46 | defrysk | Orion_X11, open baobab and analize your / |
| 12:21.01 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: working? |
| 12:21.11 | tuxcrafter | is testing |
| 12:21.59 | shafu | how can i list all pachages installed with aptitude/apt-get/apt-cache? |
| 12:22.35 | tuxcrafter | i did bash /etc/bash_completion |
| 12:22.43 | tuxcrafter | and still got the same behaviour |
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| 12:23.14 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: hm i think you have to do it like this: ". /etc/bash_completion" dont miss the dot |
| 12:23.42 | sarefo_work | hi, i'm trying to start a gui program on another machine via ssh (supposed to pop up at the remote); any tip how to set the display variable? especially, what value is most likely? |
| 12:25.06 | sarefo_work | i tried :0, which doesn't work |
| 12:28.33 | bolt-work | check the environment on the remote machine, perhaps? |
| 12:29.02 | streuner_ | bonsaikitten: it was a simple "nosuid" in fstab which causes that... ;-) |
| 12:29.46 | sarefo_work | bolt-work: well, how? :) |
| 12:29.53 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 222K jul 5 13:55 /etc/bash_completion |
| 12:30.02 | tuxcrafter | ./etc/bash_completion |
| 12:30.09 | tuxcrafter | file eos not exsict error |
| 12:30.23 | tuxcrafter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.29 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: man, dot - space - file |
| 12:30.33 | tuxcrafter | the same on the arleady working system |
| 12:30.33 | streuner_ | bonsaikitten: i just thought too complicated too... |
| 12:31.02 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: that did the trick! |
| 12:31.14 | tuxcrafter | so bashcompletion is not activated |
| 12:31.15 | tuxcrafter | hmm |
| 12:31.30 | bolt-work | sarefo_work: $ env |
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| 12:31.36 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: you are not loading the file /etc/bash.bashrc correctly |
| 12:31.56 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: you have to load it in /etc/profile or your local .profile |
| 12:32.10 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: dot - space - /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 12:32.34 | sarefo_work | bolt-work: the problem is that when opening a ssh connection, there is no DISPLAY variable, so it does not appear in env |
| 12:33.01 | bolt-work | sarefo_work: which is why you have to check what it is where you actually want it to appear |
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| 12:34.09 | sarefo_work | bolt-work: yes, but how? :)) |
| 12:34.10 | tuxcrafter | lazyfrosch: got it working thanks |
| 12:34.24 | sarefo_work | going to the remote machine by foot and check it out there would kind of defeat the purpose ;) |
| 12:34.29 | tuxcrafter | strange i installed iceweasel-l10n-nl and iceweasel-gnome-support |
| 12:34.32 | lazyfrosch | tuxcrafter: have fun with the real completion :-D |
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| 12:34.44 | tuxcrafter | but when exectuing iceweasel it does not do anything |
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| 12:35.32 | tuxcrafter | very strange i use almost the same sid system on my other system |
| 12:35.40 | sarefo_work | the thing is i think it *should* be :0, but is telling me DISPLAY was not set properly. maybe i need to prefix it when invoking it from ssh? (something like localhost?) |
| 12:35.41 | shafu | how can i list all pachages installed with aptitude/apt-get/apt-cache? |
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| 12:36.37 | bolt-work | sarefo_work: i'm sure it's stored somewhere, but I just make sure my .xsession saves that variable somewhere |
| 12:39.13 | bolt-work | sarefo_work: if you're the only one on that system, it's probably :0.0 anyway |
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| 12:39.47 | tuxolo | I've read Frederik Schuler was working on a ocfs2-tools 1.4.1 for lenny, where can I find it? |
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| 12:41.53 | sarefo_work | bolt-work: hargh, the problem was i forgot to export the DISPLAY variable. i *always* forget this... |
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| 12:41.57 | sarefo_work | thx for your help! |
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| 12:43.59 | moccuo | im going to install a virtual debian server for setting up LAMP. what installation medium would you guys recommend? should i get the ISO image? or should i do the net install? |
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| 12:45.25 | Tex-Twil | Hello |
| 12:46.03 | tuxcrafter | i am very confused deb hell is getting bigger and bigger |
| 12:46.12 | Tex-Twil | is it possible to have a bash completition via ssh ? eg: scp text.txt root@host:/my[TAB] ... to complete to root@host:/mydir ? |
| 12:47.00 | tuxcrafter | when i install totem-xine it weill install libgstreamer0.10-0 libcupsimage2 libdjvulibre21 |
| 12:47.07 | tuxcrafter | and all kind of other things |
| 12:47.10 | sarefo_work | Tex-Twil: i don't think so |
| 12:47.18 | tuxcrafter | then i aswk why why? |
| 12:47.18 | Tex-Twil | ok :) |
| 12:47.21 | sarefo_work | although in theory, it should be doable |
| 12:48.32 | moccuo | what installation method do you guys recommend for a base debian system for a LAMP server? |
| 12:49.16 | sep | the netinst cd |
| 12:49.29 | moccuo | sep: cool, thanks |
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| 12:50.26 | lazyfrosch | sarefo_work: it works via bash_completion... |
| 12:50.51 | sarefo_work | lazyfrosch: it does? :) well, i thought tex-twil was a bit fast ;)) |
| 12:52.15 | lazyfrosch | sarefo_work: yes :-) |
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| 12:52.40 | orly_owl | I'm trying to put debian on Power Computing PowerCenter Pro 210 but I'm not sure what ISO I need. Will it boot from C?D |
| 12:53.37 | sarefo_work | lazyfrosch: doesn't seem to work here, though. |
| 12:54.43 | sarefo_work | what it does here is take quite a long time, and then print out the files on the local dir, and some hosts: |
| 12:54.54 | lazyfrosch | sarefo_work: well you need to use public key and the host must be in known hosts |
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| 12:54.59 | simonrvn | orly_owl: no it won't. use the floppy install |
| 12:55.04 | orly_owl | OK |
| 12:55.25 | simonrvn | it's an oldworld mac |
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| 12:55.50 | simonrvn | #debianppc |
| 12:55.55 | orly_owl | oh thanks |
| 12:55.59 | hjb | Hi. How long does it normally take till the oom killer kicks in? |
| 12:56.31 | sarefo_work | lazyfrosch: hmm, with dynamic ip on remote that seems not to be worth the trouble for me. but thanks for telling me it can be done :) |
| 12:56.31 | hjb | My system was threshing over 12 minutes till it become responsive again |
| 12:56.54 | simonrvn | depends |
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| 12:59.11 | hjb | simonrvn on what? anything that can be configured for faster reaction? |
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| 12:59.21 | famicom_ | hey |
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| 12:59.26 | famicom_ | whats the deal with debian lenny and dns |
| 12:59.28 | famicom_ | it's slow as fuck |
| 12:59.41 | alcohol | your mom is |
| 12:59.42 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:00.43 | tuxcrafter | how do i isntall iceweasel under sid |
| 13:00.51 | famicom_ | apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 13:01.05 | tuxcrafter | after doing apt-get install iceweasel it installs the app but i does not run |
| 13:01.10 | simonrvn | hjb: been quite a while since i played with that... something in /proc , certainly |
| 13:01.10 | famicom_ | well yeah |
| 13:01.17 | famicom_ | it's unstable ubuntard |
| 13:01.51 | tuxcrafter | it also does not provide any error |
| 13:01.56 | tuxcrafter | it just does nothing |
| 13:01.58 | simonrvn | tuxcrafter: since you're using sid, you should know that.... |
| 13:02.06 | famicom_ | check bug reports and strace |
| 13:02.07 | hjb | simonrvn hmm, ok. i'll look there :) |
| 13:02.15 | simonrvn | also you should know how to debug that behaviour |
| 13:02.34 | famicom_ | tuxcrafter perhaps it's best you dont use sid, if you dont know about the things we jsut told you |
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| 13:03.15 | simonrvn | famicom_: fix your DNS ;) |
| 13:03.31 | famicom_ | simonrvn, yup |
| 13:03.40 | famicom_ | usually it means that it's trying to resolve in ipv6 |
| 13:03.55 | simonrvn | yeh, that can certainly do it |
| 13:03.57 | famicom_ | but i disabled that, setup a static IP and added my NS to resolv.conf |
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| 13:04.20 | simonrvn | getting filtered somehow? |
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| 13:05.19 | famicom_ | ip not sure |
| 13:05.37 | simonrvn | goes back to hacking on lighty confs ... |
| 13:05.49 | famicom_ | perhaps it has something to do with the recursor |
| 13:06.03 | simonrvn | possibly |
| 13:07.38 | tuxcrafter | famicom_: i pretty much know a lot about debian |
| 13:07.51 | tuxcrafter | but if i installed a package and it does not run |
| 13:07.55 | tuxcrafter | then i need some help |
| 13:08.01 | famicom_ | ja, dat kan best, maar het is SID |
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| 13:08.05 | tuxcrafter | esepcialy when it does nto provide any message |
| 13:08.07 | famicom_ | sid is umstable |
| 13:08.17 | tuxcrafter | yea i now |
| 13:08.19 | tuxcrafter | but still |
| 13:08.27 | ma3x | why won't my computer boot with acpi=off? i get something like io or scheduler and it freezes there |
| 13:08.45 | famicom_ | je zou echt eerder contact op moeten nemen met de package maintainer ipv $_randomuser op IRC |
| 13:08.48 | ma3x | or was it pci=noacpi |
| 13:08.55 | ma3x | one of those freezes i think |
| 13:09.24 | tuxcrafter | famicom_: ok |
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| 13:13.33 | tuxcrafter | iceweasel out of the lenny repos also wont start |
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| 13:13.54 | hjb | simonrvn hey thanks! enabling /proc/sys/vm/oom_kill_allocating_task reduced the thrashing time by 60 % |
| 13:14.00 | OpenTokix | orly_owl: sounds like you should clean that up, some - did you like apt-get install * ? |
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| 13:14.30 | orly_owl | what would that do? |
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| 13:18.30 | xand | !locale |
| 13:18.31 | dpkg | somebody said locale was set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 13:20.39 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 13:20.44 | xand | every time I use perl on new etch installations I get this: http://paste.debian.net/21916/ |
| 13:20.48 | xand | how do I fix it? |
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| 13:22.58 | jpinx | Is there no package for the opera browser - my searches come up with nothing. |
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| 13:23.31 | xand | jpinx: not in debian because it's not free |
| 13:23.37 | xand | opera have one themselves |
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| 13:24.01 | jpinx | xand: ok - thanks |
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| 13:25.40 | hjb | xand what does locale -a output? |
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| 13:25.45 | ltune | hi, di |
| 13:25.46 | ltune | o |
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| 13:26.57 | ltune | does anyone know why the usb install hd-media boot.img +netinstall.iso does not want to boot from usb? bios is usbbootable at least... |
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| 13:27.29 | ltune | do i need to have a hd-media folder on the usb-stick? |
| 13:27.37 | xand | hjb: this: http://paste.debian.net/21917/ |
| 13:28.18 | hjb | xand ah, ok |
| 13:28.40 | hjb | xand you don't have the locales installed on your system that are specified in your environment |
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| 13:29.21 | hjb | xand en_GB.ISO8859-15 and en_GB.ISO8859-1 are missing |
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| 13:30.25 | hjb | xand are you sure you need those? can't you just use en_gb.utf8 for all LC_* settings? |
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| 13:30.51 | ltune | does anybody know what I have to do to get this usb install running ( i have the 2 files correct on the usb device) ? ? ? |
| 13:31.26 | xand | hjb: no I'm not sure, I didn't set it that way... the installer must have |
| 13:31.35 | xand | I chose the utf8 one |
| 13:31.52 | xand | the exact same thing happened on two machines I installed, but I fixed it on one but don't remember how |
| 13:32.24 | dustybin | how cool is this http://screenshots.debian.net/ |
| 13:32.30 | hjb | xand hmm, sounds like a bug in the installer :-| |
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| 13:34.50 | Eulex | dustybin, I like the way it zooms images |
| 13:34.58 | hjb | xand how does your /etc/default/locale look like? |
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| 13:35.37 | xand | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 13:35.39 | xand | that's all |
| 13:35.59 | xand | anyway, I have generated those locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales but not sure why it wants to use those ones |
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| 13:36.32 | hjb | xand me too. it's strange. perhaps grep for them in /etc will bring enlightment |
| 13:36.39 | hjb | xand but now it works? |
| 13:36.42 | xand | yes |
| 13:36.53 | hjb | xand ok |
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| 13:37.56 | zykes- | is there a package I need to get bash support for vim in debian ? |
| 13:38.25 | Eulex | bash support? |
| 13:38.38 | zykes- | syntax highlighting then |
| 13:38.40 | hjb | zykes- like highligthing? |
| 13:38.46 | shafu | i guess :syn |
| 13:38.47 | hjb | zykes- ahh, ok :-) |
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| 13:39.06 | shafu | zykes-: in vim do :syn |
| 13:39.18 | jelly | :syn on ? |
| 13:39.53 | zykes- | command not available in this version |
| 13:40.04 | hjb | zykes- does your vim --version show +syntax? |
| 13:40.25 | Eulex | zykes-, if you have vim-tiny installed, install vim instead |
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| 13:40.44 | Eulex | zykes-, see above. |
| 13:40.55 | lodder | For small development what is beter git or svn? |
| 13:41.06 | zykes- | ah |
| 13:41.25 | hjb | lodder what a question :-) |
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| 13:41.54 | lodder | hjb: well |
| 13:41.56 | hjb | lodder git lovers tell you git, svn lovers svn ;-) |
| 13:42.07 | lodder | hjb: the have the same goal ? |
| 13:42.28 | Eulex | lodder, the main difference is that git is distrbuted |
| 13:42.33 | hjb | lodder yes, true. but different architectures and feautre sets |
| 13:43.03 | Eulex | *distributed |
| 13:43.11 | lodder | ah |
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| 13:43.42 | dustybin | say for desktop use only, kde 4.1 + iceweasel, would experimental be stable enough? |
| 13:43.44 | lodder | well I'm a develop small projects for my self and i need something to manage it |
| 13:43.48 | Eulex | IMHO git is more powerful and works better, while svn is somewhat easier to use and more widespread |
| 13:43.48 | valdyn | lodder: git is just fine for any amount of users |
| 13:43.49 | lodder | what would be best, |
| 13:43.54 | valdyn | lodder: theres no best. |
| 13:44.59 | Eulex | dustybin, depends on how much breakage you tolerate :) |
| 13:45.11 | Eulex | dustybin, it's definitely not _stable_ |
| 13:45.43 | dustybin | Eulex: there isnt that much to go wrong if its just kde4.1 + iceweasel? |
| 13:45.47 | valdyn | dustybin: we cant tell you if it will crash on you, we only know that experimental means that theres no promise whatsoever |
| 13:46.17 | dustybin | i might test in vmware |
| 13:46.20 | Eulex | dustybin, uh, what do you mean, you wanna run unstable but get those two pieces from experimental? |
| 13:46.41 | dustybin | actually that might be a better idea |
| 13:46.46 | valdyn | dustybin: there is also no upgrade path, possibly |
| 13:46.55 | dustybin | doesnt matter |
| 13:47.06 | dustybin | once its work half ok, ill leave it for a bit |
| 13:47.41 | dustybin | i dont think kde4.x is in sid |
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| 13:47.57 | lodder | valdyn: I understand |
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| 13:49.13 | valdyn | lodder: im sure both tools will do just fine for simple things |
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| 13:50.52 | simonrvn | dustybin: it's not, no. |
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| 13:51.48 | zykes- | thanks hjb / Eulex |
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| 13:58.08 | jpinx | is is purge and tehn remove, or remove-purge, or remove and then purge to get rid of everything of a package? |
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| 13:59.25 | petemc | jpinx: aptitude purge foo |
| 13:59.30 | petemc | you dont need to remove first |
| 13:59.41 | jpinx | petemc: thanks |
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| 14:00.37 | jpinx | and aptitude clean reduces what's held -- yes? |
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| 14:01.10 | helo | bah |
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| 14:01.18 | petemc | jpinx: it removes downloaded deb files from the cache |
| 14:01.20 | jelly | jpinx: clean wipes the downloaded package cache |
| 14:01.29 | jpinx | cool -- thanks |
| 14:01.35 | petemc | as per the man page... |
| 14:01.44 | jpinx | is saving every byte of space |
| 14:02.13 | vmlinz | Hello,I want to purge a software and the dependencies it requires,I tried "aptitude purge foo",but it simply purge foo and removes its dependencies |
| 14:02.52 | vmlinz | I want to purge its dependencies as well |
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| 14:04.23 | helo | redirect output into a text file, remove everything besides the package names, and 'aptitude purge $(cat file)' |
| 14:04.34 | helo | that is the weakling method, but it will work :) |
| 14:05.16 | jpinx | where in lenny can I tweak the sensitivity of the touchpad? |
| 14:05.21 | vmlinz | yeah,that's one possible way to do,Thx |
| 14:05.35 | carbonize | does 'apt-get autoremove' not work? |
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| 14:06.12 | helo | he wants autopurge |
| 14:06.15 | vmlinz | 'apt-get autoremove' won't purge |
| 14:06.29 | cousin_luigi | apt-get --purge autoremove would |
| 14:06.38 | cousin_luigi | is autoremove available in lenny btw? |
| 14:06.44 | helo | yeah |
| 14:07.10 | jpinx | does what's the difference between autoremove and purge? |
| 14:07.30 | vmlinz | remove will remain the config files |
| 14:07.35 | spx2 | I'd like to report a bug in a package on debian etch Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch5) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sat Dec 1 22:58:58 UTC 2007 |
| 14:07.45 | spx2 | how do I do this ? |
| 14:07.51 | vmlinz | purge remove its config files also |
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| 14:07.56 | spx2 | I'm thinking of doing it now |
| 14:07.59 | jpinx | will purge not take out the config files? |
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| 14:08.40 | rjd_ | Ive set good limits for 'open files' in limits.conf, but a normal user still have the default 1024, and cant change it with ulimit -n. How can I control the limit for open files for users? |
| 14:08.43 | aldarsior | does anyone have dual head working with an ATI card? |
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| 14:09.59 | vmlinz | spx2, maybe you could read /usr/share/doc/debian/bug-reporting.txt |
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| 14:12.32 | spx2 | vmlinz: what happnz if I do aptitude upgrade ? |
| 14:12.46 | spx2 | vmlinz: will it be for better or for worse ? |
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| 14:14.00 | runa_ | is there any console program to adjust time? |
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| 14:14.37 | spx2 | runa_: it's called "date" ... |
| 14:15.00 | runa_ | date displays the time |
| 14:15.12 | runa_ | i want to adjust |
| 14:15.15 | runa_ | change it |
| 14:15.35 | runa_ | sorry you are right |
| 14:15.43 | runa_ | it even changes it |
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| 14:18.09 | vmlinz | Hello ,how to list the autoremoved but not purged packages in my debian system? |
| 14:19.17 | stew | vmlinz: "aptitude search ~c" lists the remoed but not purged, I don't think there is a way to distinguish removed from autoremoved |
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| 14:22.06 | vmlinz | stew, Thx |
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| 14:27.11 | rvsjoen | finally managed to get a dual screen in xorg, but im unable to move the mouse from one desktop to another, any neat tips or tricks ? http://dpaste.com/92458/ (xorg.conf) |
| 14:27.32 | idimmu | make sure you have a firm grip of it with your dominant hand |
| 14:27.40 | idimmu | then push using your legs |
| 14:27.51 | idimmu | if its still not budging, try lube? |
| 14:28.11 | rvsjoen | fresh out of lube :/ |
| 14:29.12 | lodder | do git and gitweb have to be on the save server ? |
| 14:29.23 | alcohol | same* |
| 14:30.06 | alcohol | I would much sooner combine git with trac though (which also has support for git) |
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| 14:30.31 | rvsjoen | is the git support for trac any good ? last time I tried it it was still very early in development |
| 14:30.44 | Python1320 | The OS has wine installed, I'm trying to use crossover on the shell but the problem is when I type wine it starts wine instead of crossover. I don't want to manually run wine each time from crossover directory, is it possible to run crossover with only typing wine? |
| 14:30.48 | lodder | alcohol: ok |
| 14:31.10 | alcohol | rvsjoen: dunno, I was quite satisfied with it |
| 14:31.20 | alcohol | and trac itself is a pretty decent interface |
| 14:31.34 | alcohol | but github is a lot cooler of course |
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| 14:31.41 | anddam | hello |
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| 14:33.36 | klaim | is I |
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| 14:34.16 | libertad | Hi |
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| 14:34.41 | spx2 | hey listen you moronic fucks |
| 14:34.47 | spx2 | you have a problem in your fucking etch |
| 14:34.48 | libertad | I'm searching a tool for to hack a windows machine remotly |
| 14:34.53 | spx2 | and somebody should fix it |
| 14:34.58 | spx2 | this is a path /usr/share/wordnet/dict |
| 14:35.01 | spx2 | you have some files here |
| 14:35.09 | spx2 | or at least they should be there |
| 14:35.10 | petemc | libertad: you're looking in the wrong place, try efnet or some other network |
| 14:35.10 | libertad | to evaluate the security |
| 14:35.14 | spx2 | instead they are here /usr/share/wordnet |
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| 14:35.22 | simon1245__ | Hi all i need help |
| 14:35.23 | spx2 | so fix your fucking problem with the distro you idiots |
| 14:35.29 | libertad | petemc: |
| 14:35.30 | libertad | ok |
| 14:35.33 | spx2 | goddamn amateurs |
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| 14:35.40 | simon1245__ | My sound isn't working :( |
| 14:35.46 | simon1245__ | In debian etch |
| 14:36.02 | spx2 | simon1245__: no worries,just switch distro |
| 14:36.12 | simon1245__ | To which one? |
| 14:36.19 | spx2 | simon1245__: ubuntu is way better |
| 14:36.20 | petemc | simon1245__: dont listen to that fool |
| 14:36.30 | remi_ | spx2 ;) |
| 14:36.30 | petemc | !ops spx2 jerk |
| 14:36.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: petemc complains about: spx2 jerk |
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| 14:36.37 | maligor | spx2, you know, that's probably a good way to get kicked |
| 14:36.57 | simon1245__ | petemc: Ok |
| 14:37.06 | maligor | simon1245, integrated sound I guess? |
| 14:37.17 | simon1245__ | What to do that? |
| 14:37.18 | McNulty | I've done an apt-get upgrade and now apache's not listening to port 80 any more... |
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| 14:37.27 | McNulty | can someone help? |
| 14:37.38 | McNulty | I'm running lenny/sid |
| 14:37.39 | anddam | McNulty: sure, apache log can |
| 14:37.42 | CoolCold | McNulty: i guess it writes smth to log? |
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| 14:37.48 | azeem | spx2: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please keep it on topic |
| 14:37.54 | anddam | McNulty: or netstat -l4n | grep 80 |
| 14:38.43 | libertad | petemc: I cant to join to irc.efnet.org |
| 14:38.49 | McNulty | anddam - yeah nothing there |
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| 14:39.07 | libertad | petemc: some special channel? |
| 14:39.08 | simon1245__ | Maligor: I mean how to do that* |
| 14:39.09 | McNulty | (in netstat I mean). Apache error log is complaining about my pdo_sqlite version |
| 14:39.25 | remi_ | simon1245__: find your soundcard with "lspci" |
| 14:39.31 | maligor | simon1245, do what? |
| 14:39.32 | simon1245__ | ok 1min |
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| 14:39.44 | troubled | libertad: why not? |
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| 14:39.55 | simon1245__ | Here i think it's this one |
| 14:39.55 | simon1245__ | 04:01.0 Audio device: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA High Definition Audio Controller (rev 10) |
| 14:40.01 | libertad | troubled: Banned tempory |
| 14:40.02 | remi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.06 | simon1245__ | Sry for copying :( |
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| 14:40.11 | troubled | libertad: oh? |
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| 14:40.39 | simon1245__ | remi_ Yea it was about that :) |
| 14:40.41 | libertad | I dont know |
| 14:40.59 | troubled | od, we use BOPM feed from efnet on freenode and ASM didnt flag you |
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| 14:41.12 | troubled | guess they didnt blacklist you at least :) |
| 14:41.33 | libertad | :( |
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| 14:41.40 | troubled | (thats a good thing) |
| 14:41.50 | simon1245__ | remi_ What to do now i found the soundcard i think |
| 14:41.57 | remi_ | simon1245__: are you in the "audio" group? |
| 14:42.02 | simon1245__ | Yea |
| 14:42.17 | remi_ | Is sound raised up with alsamixer? |
| 14:42.29 | simon1245__ | Yea |
| 14:42.30 | libertad | troubled: Do you know some channel for know thats topics? |
| 14:42.43 | troubled | libertad: whats the problems now? |
| 14:42.49 | klaim | anyone have experience compiling from source for this specific distro? |
| 14:43.00 | libertad | I'm searching a tool for to hack a windows machine remotly |
| 14:43.10 | libertad | to evaluate the security |
| 14:43.10 | OpenTokix | libertad: winexe |
| 14:43.21 | troubled | libertad: thats pretty much off topic for any channel on freenode I think |
| 14:43.31 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 14:43.38 | libertad | OpenTokix: :) |
| 14:43.40 | troubled | libertad: to pentest or similar, try nessus perhaps |
| 14:43.42 | remi_ | simon1245__: Check "lsmod | grep via |
| 14:43.48 | simon1245__ | remi_: Last time i tried to add me in the audio grupp it said i already where member there |
| 14:43.59 | klaim | libertad: how about the windows on default Remote Assistance? |
| 14:44.00 | troubled | libertad: that is hardly going to "hack" windows though |
| 14:44.18 | simon1245__ | remi_, What to check there? |
| 14:44.27 | libertad | interesting |
| 14:44.50 | libertad | klaim: Windows SP2 |
| 14:45.02 | maligor | libertad, external attacks are only possible if you have ports open in the first place, otherwise the target has to initiate it |
| 14:45.24 | troubled | libertad: just turn on your firewall in windows. thats gonna get you more security than you probably need |
| 14:45.37 | maligor | libertad, and that's easy to check with nmap for example |
| 14:45.37 | simon1245__ | remi_: What to check there? |
| 14:45.38 | klaim | yeah. mostly. |
| 14:45.40 | libertad | I have some ports opens |
| 14:46.03 | klaim | you need his SN and PW. |
| 14:46.05 | troubled | libertad: try a port scanning service for starters (or nmap as was suggested) |
| 14:46.08 | maligor | libertad, then you'll just have to check windows related security bulletins on the services |
| 14:46.09 | libertad | 3306/ tcp, 3389/tcp |
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| 14:46.18 | McNulty | So why might Apache not be listening to port 80? It's not erroring when the daemon starts |
| 14:46.23 | libertad | troubled: I already tryed nmap |
| 14:46.31 | troubled | libertad: 3306 is mysql, do you need that open? |
| 14:46.42 | libertad | sure |
| 14:46.47 | petemc | McNulty: is anything listening on port 80? |
| 14:46.56 | McNulty | petemc - doesn't seem to be |
| 14:47.01 | troubled | libertad: you need people to log in remotely to your mysql? |
| 14:47.06 | simon1245__ | remi_: Are you still there? |
| 14:47.08 | petemc | McNulty: how did you check? |
| 14:47.09 | remi_ | simon1245__: seems the driver is "snd-hda-intel" for this sound chipset |
| 14:47.12 | libertad | my ip 190.201.22.56 |
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| 14:47.19 | libertad | troubled: yes |
| 14:47.31 | libertad | troubled: I need to access remotly |
| 14:47.36 | simon1245__ | remi_: Should i look if it's something like that in the command i runned? |
| 14:48.00 | troubled | libertad: then you probable want to start by trying to access your mysql remotely without access and make sure you got all your permissions set right |
| 14:48.07 | remi_ | simon1245__: yes, but run it this way: "lsmod | grep snd-hda-intel" |
| 14:48.21 | simon1245__ | Ok |
| 14:48.32 | simon1245__ | I typed that |
| 14:48.33 | libertad | troubled: I already tryed it |
| 14:48.35 | simon1245__ | And now? |
| 14:48.36 | troubled | libertad: just having open ports doesn't mean anything these days without a valid login to a service like that since the code to verify login is pretty much 100% flawless |
| 14:48.52 | McNulty | petemc - netstat |
| 14:48.56 | troubled | libertad: exploits are only going to work against stuff that require valid logins and once you are logged in |
| 14:48.59 | remi_ | simon1245__: Is there a module named snd-hda-intel, then? |
| 14:49.02 | McNulty | It's ok it seems like it wasn't starting up because of a problem with PHP |
| 14:49.08 | simon1245__ | No |
| 14:49.17 | libertad | troubled: How wich? |
| 14:49.21 | simon1245__ | I send you that i see |
| 14:49.25 | simon1245__ | In a private message ok? |
| 14:49.26 | RoenieSrvr | in what .conf do i define which wm is started when startx is executed? |
| 14:49.28 | troubled | libertad: how which what? |
| 14:49.41 | remi_ | simon1245__: ok |
| 14:49.43 | libertad | troubled: expolit name |
| 14:49.46 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: ~/.xinitrc I think |
| 14:49.53 | RoenieSrvr | ty |
| 14:49.56 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: try man xinitrc |
| 14:50.11 | troubled | libertad: exploit name for what? |
| 14:50.16 | RoenieSrvr | no manual entry |
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| 14:50.24 | RoenieSrvr | no such directory :) |
| 14:50.28 | libertad | troubled: for to enter to my machin by mysql |
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| 14:50.32 | libertad | For example |
| 14:50.44 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: well, its a file not a dir for one. try "apropos xinitrc" |
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| 14:51.28 | libertad | troubled: wait me a seccond |
| 14:51.28 | RoenieSrvr | locate xinitrd --> no results |
| 14:51.42 | RoenieSrvr | oops, rc ;) |
| 14:51.46 | remi_ | simon1245__: Your kernel is too old for this sound chipset |
| 14:51.57 | troubled | libertad: nessus might have some mysql tests. but if you are using the latest security updates for mysql, you aren't going to find any exploits anyways. Any that do exist would be available only to underground 0day groups, and if you were in them, you wouldnt be here asking... |
| 14:52.01 | RoenieSrvr | it's in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc |
| 14:52.22 | stew | Sipingal: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:52.41 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: thats the system wide one. if you make a ~/.xinitrc in your profile dir, it will override that. the format is identical |
| 14:52.48 | maligor | simon1245__, remi_, you can update alsa separate of the kernel, mhm |
| 14:52.52 | stew | Sipingal: not you |
| 14:53.10 | stew | simon1245__: what version of debian are you running? and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:53.17 | Lagbolt | ls |
| 14:53.19 | RoenieSrvr | troubled, ok but there is nothing in the file that says which wm is used |
| 14:53.22 | ranix | Lagbolt: nice |
| 14:53.36 | Lagbolt | thanks ranix |
| 14:53.43 | RoenieSrvr | only one line, invoking: . /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 14:53.45 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: try http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/xinit/ |
| 14:53.51 | RoenieSrvr | ty |
| 14:53.52 | troubled | aparently its all under "man xinit" |
| 14:54.23 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: man startx, probably give more info |
| 14:54.40 | simon1245__ | 1min stew |
| 14:54.44 | libertad | troubled: I undestand |
| 14:55.00 | simon1245__ | stew: 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 14:55.05 | troubled | RoenieSrvr: now look at the Xsession to see what that is doing |
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| 14:56.00 | stew | simon1245__: try either the 2.6.24 kernel package in etch or the 2.6.26 package on backports. "apt-cache search -n linux-image" should sohw you at least the 2.6.24 package ; if that one doesn't work: "/msg dpkg bpo" in irc should get you info on getting the 2.6.26 |
| 14:56.07 | stew | simon1245__: btw, what cpu do you have? |
| 14:56.11 | RoenieSrvr | bbl |
| 14:56.15 | simon1245__ | stew: Amd |
| 14:56.52 | stew | simon1245__: then you want to use a -686 kernel instead of a -486 kernel as well |
| 14:56.57 | remi_ | simon1245__: the exact model.. (Athlon XP? Athlon X2?) |
| 14:57.05 | simon1245__ | I don't know |
| 14:57.08 | simon1245__ | How to look it |
| 14:57.14 | stew | simon1245__: (it wouldn't make a difference with your sound card, but its a better kernel for you in general) |
| 14:57.24 | simon1245__ | Ok :) |
| 14:57.34 | simon1245__ | stew: How to look which kernel i got? |
| 14:57.42 | OpenTokix | simon1245__: unamr -r |
| 14:57.42 | simon1245__ | I mean which cpu |
| 14:57.43 | spx2 | uhm |
| 14:57.54 | OpenTokix | simon1245__: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:57.59 | simon1245__ | Ok thanks |
| 14:58.31 | simon1245__ | Stew: I got this one |
| 14:58.32 | simon1245__ | Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3600+ |
| 14:58.44 | stew | simon1245__: then you definatly want a -686 kernel |
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| 14:58.58 | simon1245__ | Ok |
| 14:59.16 | simon1245__ | How to do when i have run the apt-cache search -n linux-image? |
| 14:59.46 | stew | simon1245__: run that, pick a kernel image, then "aptitude install linux-image-$version" to install it. |
| 15:00.06 | simon1245__ | Ok thanks |
| 15:00.47 | simon1245__ | stew: Is this one ok? linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on i686 |
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| 15:01.19 | OpenTokix | simon1245__: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:01.22 | ranix | simon1245__: no. Xen is a virtual machine emulator - that kernel is for a guest VM running under a hypervisor |
| 15:01.25 | spx2 | uhm |
| 15:01.36 | simon1245__ | Ok thanks :) |
| 15:02.20 | simon1245__ | Can someone find to me i''m not understanding anything there |
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| 15:03.33 | stew | simon1245__: no, you want a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 15:03.33 | remi_ | simon1245__: One day you'll understand. Get yourself used to read the doc', read the manual, read wikis, search info... |
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| 15:04.00 | wald0 | !nvidia |
| 15:04.00 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work (if you're using a GeForce 2 or older, ask me about <nvidia_legacy>). nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 15:04.18 | Skaag | I'm trying to create an apt mirror, can I somehow only mirror very specific packages, and also pin them? |
| 15:04.38 | simon1245__ | What is going to happen if i choose wrong? |
| 15:05.11 | ranix | simon1245__: it won't work is all |
| 15:05.20 | ranix | simon1245__: you pick the kernel based on your processor |
| 15:05.24 | ranix | simon1245__: what processor are you using |
| 15:05.35 | stew | he's using a sempron and wants a -686 kerne |
| 15:05.44 | simon1245__ | 1min is this going to work |
| 15:05.45 | simon1245__ | linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 15:05.51 | ranix | simon1245__: yes |
| 15:05.55 | stew | simon1245__: no, you wan a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 15:06.12 | ranix | he said "is this going to work" not "is this what I want" ;) |
| 15:06.19 | stew | simon1245__: it would work, but its the kernel you are already using, so its not going to imporove your sound situation |
| 15:06.27 | heavenquake | Yesterday ssh'ed to our server, then I generated an RSA-key, and made a CSR file from it. Today I needed to change the CSR, so I ssh'ed back in, and tried to create a new certificate. However, even though I doublechecked that the passphrase was correct, it displayed permission errors and aborted. Then I tried regenerating the RSA key, with the same passphrase, and everything went smoothly. Now the question is: what went wrong in the first |
| 15:06.33 | stew | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.24* --release etch |
| 15:06.33 | judd | stew: linux-image-2.6.24% in etch: etch: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6 etch: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6 etch: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686-bigmem 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6 etch: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.6 |
| 15:06.37 | simon1245__ | Ok |
| 15:06.42 | stew | simon1245__: you want linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 15:06.43 | heavenquake | (as we'll most likely need to generate more CSR's per key later on) |
| 15:07.04 | simon1245__ | Is this a 64bit? |
| 15:07.25 | simon1245__ | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 - Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 15:07.26 | remi_ | simon1245__: No, 32 |
| 15:07.37 | simon1245__ | ok thanks |
| 15:07.39 | simon1245__ | I found it to |
| 15:07.55 | simon1245__ | stew: But you was little faster :) |
| 15:09.26 | simon1245__ | what what the paste sites name? |
| 15:09.39 | ranix | !paste |
| 15:09.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 15:10.03 | simon1245__ | Ok thanks |
| 15:10.06 | libertad | some channel where I could find information about how to hack my windows web server? |
| 15:10.08 | libertad | o some program name? |
| 15:10.27 | ranix | libertad: that is so far off-topic for this channel it's out of service range |
| 15:10.37 | ranix | libertad: I'm getting 0 bars |
| 15:10.50 | libertad | ranix: I undestand |
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| 15:10.59 | libertad | Don't worry |
| 15:11.12 | ranix | libertad: try #ubuntu on freenode |
| 15:11.21 | simon1245__ | Look at this http://paste.debian.net/21924/ |
| 15:11.22 | alcohol | libertad: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=hack+windows+web+server |
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| 15:12.30 | stew | libertad: your question is not appropriate on this network |
| 15:12.37 | stew | ranix: please don't do that |
| 15:12.38 | libertad | ranix, alcohol : Thanks you for nothing |
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| 15:12.50 | ranix | stew: sorry, I couldn't resist |
| 15:13.04 | wald0 | is there a way that i can update the nvidia source packages to a version that is not in the repositories yet ? |
| 15:13.07 | libertad | stew: I undestand, But Could you tell me where I could to find that information? |
| 15:13.09 | libertad | some channel? |
| 15:13.26 | ranix | libertad: no, seriously, stop asking here |
| 15:13.48 | libertad | ranix: ok |
| 15:13.59 | stew | libertad: no |
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| 15:16.24 | kzar | Is there a way to flag a package as already installed? I need to install one package manually for annoying reasons and I want to install programs through dpkg that depend on it. Currently I can't because the other packages don't know that it's installed. |
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| 15:16.48 | simon1245__ | brb |
| 15:17.09 | enouf | equivs? |
| 15:17.47 | kzar | enouf: Oh cheers that looks good, I'll give it a go |
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| 15:19.11 | shafu | how can i list all pachages installed with aptitude/apt-get/apt-cache? |
| 15:19.43 | idimmu | dpkg -l |
| 15:19.43 | dpkg | idimmu: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:19.49 | idimmu | stupid bot |
| 15:19.53 | idimmu | use dpkg -l |
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| 15:20.35 | cheater | hi guys |
| 15:20.41 | ranix | sup cheater |
| 15:21.04 | cheater | i have a very difficult problem here |
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| 15:21.31 | cheater | i am running debian etch on vmware workstation 6.5 on windows xp and i need to be able to access the apache on that machine and to access the file system |
| 15:21.50 | cheater | it's off an image someone else supplied and i have no idea how to do this, and time is pressing as it usually happens :) |
| 15:22.08 | anddam | cheater: it's a vmware specific question |
| 15:22.09 | ranix | cheater: more specific. "That machine" can refer to either host or guest in that sentence |
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| 15:22.17 | anddam | about the networking part |
| 15:22.20 | andre_pl | i'm trying to build a new upstream kernel for my ps3 and after successfully building 1, every other attempt leaves me with this: http://rafb.net/p/FTSEgX98.html anyone got any clues? |
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| 15:22.36 | cheater | i need to access pache and the filesystem that are on the debian virtual machine, i need that access from within windows xp |
| 15:22.42 | wald0 | is the website of rdonald (nvidia maintainer) OFF ? |
| 15:22.51 | ranix | cheater: samba will do it, also, SCP |
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| 15:23.15 | cheater | ranix: scp is great. how would i connect to it? |
| 15:23.26 | jpinx | I'm running IceWM for my desktop, but I'm having trouble getting x to start at boot time. Any clues anyone? |
| 15:23.32 | ranix | cheater: try googlin' winscp and you will not be disappointed |
| 15:23.37 | cheater | anddam: i am aware that vmware is not necessarily something core to debian, but i hoped someone here would be cool enough to be able to help me |
| 15:23.46 | ranix | is cool. |
| 15:23.49 | cheater | ranix: i know scp, but i have no idea how to access the virtual server itself. |
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| 15:24.22 | ranix | cheater: your virtual machine is running a webserver, right? |
| 15:25.10 | wald0 | how i can build a recent version of the legacy-96 nvidia package ? |
| 15:25.28 | anddam | cheater: I wasn't trying to underline the question is offtopic or so, I just have no experience at all of vmware |
| 15:25.34 | ranix | !tell wald0 -about nvidia-legacy |
| 15:25.41 | ranix | whoops |
| 15:26.01 | anddam | I wish I had a monitor |
| 15:26.05 | cheater | ranix: it would seem so, that's what i was told |
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| 15:26.34 | ranix | cheater: ok. That means it has network connectivity (specifically that the network can access the webserver) right? |
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| 15:26.45 | ranix | cheater: if you can ssh to it you can scp to it |
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| 15:27.01 | cheater | ranix: i don't know if it has network connectivity, i know it should be running apache 'in itself'. |
| 15:27.23 | ranix | cheater: how do you not know if it has network connectivity? Can it ping Google? |
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| 15:29.56 | cheater | it can't. i am in the process of giving it network connectivity, i will have to reboot my workstation. i'll brb ranix |
| 15:30.16 | cheater | i cannot ssh to it, right now i only have direct access through the vmware window |
| 15:31.13 | anddam | is there a easy way I can purge all build tools? |
| 15:31.21 | anddam | an* |
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| 15:32.28 | enouf | wald0: /msg dpkg nvidia and follow the wiki instructs |
| 15:32.42 | streuner_ | judd: versions dwm |
| 15:32.43 | judd | streuner_: dwm -- etch: 2.1-2 lenny: 4.7-3 sid: 5.2-1 |
| 15:33.08 | enouf | anddam: all what build tools? build-essential? |
| 15:34.03 | nigelbarker | cheater - my std debian template has openssh-server installed, saves me having to do it each time I create a new vm |
| 15:34.37 | enouf | wald0: just make sure you pay attention to what it says to do concerning the -legacy 96xx builds |
| 15:35.32 | frukt_ | hello #debian, a presumably simple question: what is the recommended way to upgrade etch to lenny? "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" and that's it? any other necessary steps? |
| 15:35.42 | enouf | no |
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| 15:35.55 | wald0 | enouf: the problem is that the source package version is 96.43.07, but it doesn't compile for the kernel 2.6.27 so i need to use the version of nvidia 96.43.09, that is not in the repo's yet... how i can "update" the source package ? im sure that there's an easy way to do that |
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| 15:35.56 | enouf | !literal etch->lenny |
| 15:35.56 | dpkg | "etch->lenny" is "<reply>Ensure your etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of etch or stable to lenny. aptitude update; aptitude install dpkg aptitude; aptitude full-upgrade. Subscribe to <d-d-a> so you know what is going on and ask me about <apt-listbugs> <lenny release notes>." |
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| 15:36.20 | enouf | wald0: i've done it on .26 |
| 15:36.40 | frukt_ | thanks |
| 15:36.41 | hmann | i have been naked all day long |
| 15:36.46 | enouf | there's no reason for "sns" |
| 15:36.56 | enouf | !sns |
| 15:36.56 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:37.14 | anddam | enouf: I was afk |
| 15:37.35 | enouf | that's cool, we all are from time to time |
| 15:37.41 | anddam | enouf: basically I don't need building anything on this machine, I tried removing build-essentials but that would free only 86kb or so |
| 15:38.04 | enouf | anddam: so what's the intended goal - mucho free space? |
| 15:38.17 | enouf | anddam: and no, it's a metapackage |
| 15:38.25 | anddam | I hoped in something more conspicuous |
| 15:38.34 | anddam | enouf: yep, more room |
| 15:38.44 | enouf | metapackages are basically lists of other pkgs, that pull in the depends, etc |
| 15:38.47 | simon1245__ | remi_, stew, Someone look at this http://paste.debian.net/21924/ |
| 15:39.03 | anddam | enouf: but I tought removing that would remove all the listed packages |
| 15:39.26 | stew | simon1245__: kill whatever other dpkg/apt-get/aptitude/dselect/synaptic/whatever process is still running |
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| 15:39.38 | simon1245__ | ok |
| 15:39.44 | enouf | anddam: localepurge, man apt-get (see autoclean and other options) consider removing /usr/share/doc/* that you don't need - remove old logs |
| 15:39.57 | simon1245__ | Ty |
| 15:40.01 | simon1245__ | Started load now |
| 15:40.08 | wald0 | enouf: but it not builds on .27 :( i need to use .27 for use the ath9k driver |
| 15:40.28 | enouf | anddam: i'm a huge fan of usr/share/doc though, so i say that begrugingly |
| 15:40.29 | anddam | enouf: I've already autocleaned, I noticed locale is quite big (~500Mb) and I'm reading Tasks->Localization in aptitude ncurses interface |
| 15:40.36 | anddam | enouf: I'd keep doc too |
| 15:40.36 | wald0 | !acx100 |
| 15:40.36 | dpkg | Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless network chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx100/111 drivers (http://acx100.sf.net). Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions available at http://acx100.sf.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian Also ask me about <acx100 firmware>. Device matrix: http://acx100.sf.net/matrix.html #acx100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 15:40.40 | simon1245__ | What to do now |
| 15:40.44 | simon1245__ | Boot in to the newest kernel? |
| 15:40.54 | enouf | see debfoster and deborphan if using etch |
| 15:41.27 | simon1245__ | stew? |
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| 15:41.44 | enouf | wald0: well - so ... you need .27 and you need nvidia driver - yet you have 1929 hardware :-P |
| 15:41.44 | anddam | enouf: using lenny, already removed deborphan |
| 15:42.03 | anddam | enouf: debfoster take looong time I was trying to purge sets of unneeded packages |
| 15:42.08 | simon1245__ | Bye i'm going to try that :D |
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| 15:42.13 | anddam | enouf: do you know if keymaps come with locales? |
| 15:42.17 | simon1245__ | Coming back soon |
| 15:42.21 | enouf | anddam: well, aptitude, and now apt-get has Recommends: on by default, so you might have many pkgs that fall into that category |
| 15:42.34 | enouf | anddam: which keymaps? |
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| 15:42.46 | enouf | anddam: all pkgs come with extraneous locales |
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| 15:43.29 | enouf | anddam: i said "etch" as it pertained to debfoster and deborphan, though still they are very useful |
| 15:43.33 | cheater | nigelbarker thank you but i wouldn't know how to use it |
| 15:43.44 | cheater | ranix: ok, it can't access the internet. |
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| 15:44.02 | ranix | cheater: ok |
| 15:44.26 | ranix | cheater: your problem appears to be a vmware networking issue |
| 15:44.37 | enouf | wald0: an AGP card (nv5-11 say) that requires the legacy driver doesn't work with a mobo that needs some ath9k |
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| 15:45.00 | simon1245 | Hi all i'm back again |
| 15:45.02 | cheater | ranix: indeed. how do i solve this? |
| 15:45.08 | simon1245 | stew: What to do now? |
| 15:45.13 | wald0 | enouf: i want to build a generic kernel for misc computers that i have |
| 15:45.16 | ranix | cheater: dunno. I have two computers and avoid vmware |
| 15:45.33 | ranix | i.e. I have two computers everywhere I have one computer |
| 15:45.40 | ranix | work, home, etc. |
| 15:45.47 | ranix | one Windows one Debian |
| 15:46.03 | cheater | :) |
| 15:46.26 | ranix | Nehalem + Xen is going to cut that number in half though ;) |
| 15:46.59 | enouf | anddam: i use apt, over aptitude, exclusively, and if you want to shut off the recommends set as default, add this APT::Install-Recommends="false"; <- to your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends |
| 15:47.32 | enouf | anddam: the 98- number isn't important .. so if you need to create a file, do so |
| 15:47.34 | simon1245 | stew; The sound isn't working yet |
| 15:47.54 | enouf | wald0: no you don't |
| 15:47.57 | simon1245 | brb |
| 15:48.04 | enouf | wald0: i mean .. you shouldn't want to ;-) |
| 15:48.12 | anddam | enouf: "it" keymap and I don't know exactly what Recommends: is, anyway I'm browsing pacakges with aptitude now |
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| 15:48.28 | cheater | ok, it has internet. how do i figure out my ip now? |
| 15:48.36 | enouf | wald0: for a wide variety of hardware and yet, you're willing to build/compile - make specific kernels |
| 15:48.52 | anddam | enouf: I think uninstalling Installed -> devel -> main should be fine |
| 15:49.00 | enouf | !tell anddam about keymap |
| 15:49.14 | enouf | !seen wols |
| 15:49.14 | dpkg | wols <i=klingens@p549DDB33.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 30d 13h 59m 47s ago, saying: 'abrotman: you help then. HAND'. |
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| 15:49.25 | enouf | son of a b**** |
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| 15:49.43 | simon1245 | back |
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| 15:49.56 | simon1245 | Stew; Can you help me plz |
| 15:50.12 | ranix | !seen fxiny |
| 15:50.13 | dpkg | fxiny <~fxiny@host235-57-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 20h 44m 39s ago, saying: 'wile e.coyote rulez :P'. |
| 15:50.19 | enouf | anddam: you might look at the pkg list for grml.org/files (see "small" version) .. which is a livecd, complete build env, and no X |
| 15:50.41 | enouf | fxiny!! .. no porbs! ;-) |
| 15:51.07 | enouf | simon1245: ask the channel |
| 15:51.26 | wald0 | enouf: well, my problem is not really that, i just want to know if there's a way possible to update the nvidia source package there for me, i see a debian/upstream_info file but i don't know how it works... is there any documentation about that ? |
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| 15:52.03 | simon1245 | enouf: Ok, Can someone tell me how to fix my sound problem on Debian Etch |
| 15:52.47 | enouf | wald0: i would offer some other specific help if i knew offhand, however, it seems the only way for me to figure out if there are any issues i could work around is to do it myself (i have nvidia cards that use the legacy 96xx drivers) .. but, i will not do that |
| 15:52.52 | anddam | simon1245: I think it greatlyd depends on what your problem is |
| 15:53.03 | simon1245 | brb |
| 15:53.05 | anddam | enouf: I'll have a look |
| 15:53.06 | simon1245 | 5min |
| 15:53.07 | enouf | simon1245: no |
| 15:53.10 | enouf | ok |
| 15:53.34 | enouf | simon1245: the no was meant at your brb crap |
| 15:54.27 | cheater | ranix: ok, how would i figure out how to access the apache on that virtual machine? |
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| 15:54.35 | krushik | what does mean $request_filename in nginx? how is computing it's value? I have if (!-e $request_filename) always returning true, even when file exists =\ |
| 15:54.55 | enouf | anddam: IIUC, you want a very small debian installation? how small, and which installer did you use, and did you upgrade? and did you use "tasksel" while installing? and do you need X, and DEs? |
| 15:55.24 | anddam | enouf: let me explain |
| 15:55.44 | enouf | wald0: BTW, which nvidia source pkg? the debian one? |
| 15:56.01 | anddam | enouf: this is a running machine, headless that I'm managing only via ssh. I filled the root fs in time and now I'm cleaning a bit |
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| 15:56.43 | anddam | enouf: this came from a xfs netinstall from 3 or 4 years ago I think, it has gone through updates, now it's on lenny |
| 15:56.44 | enouf | wald0: i'm not even sure whom handles the nvidia binary blob crap - but man, they are worthy of praise to make it work with debian |
| 15:57.11 | simon1245 | Bacl |
| 15:57.21 | anddam | enouf: my main priority is to not screw: a) networking and b) vncserver |
| 15:57.26 | wald0 | enouf: yes, the debian one, i also don't found the website of rdonald.. looks closed |
| 15:57.26 | simon1245 | back* |
| 15:57.29 | enouf | wald0: worse comes to worse, try nvidia.com, but then seek help in #nvidia, not here - or .. are you trying to help out debian? |
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| 15:57.38 | simon1245 | enouf: what was you saying? |
| 15:57.40 | anddam | enouf: all the rest can be dropped |
| 15:57.49 | enouf | whoa! ... |
| 15:57.55 | enouf | slow down folks .. i |
| 15:58.02 | enouf | slow down folks .. i'm one person |
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| 15:58.28 | jelly | enouf: hey whats up just a quick question all right? |
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| 15:58.45 | enouf | anddam: but whom installed what? .. and i mean how .. and exactly |
| 15:58.52 | enouf | oh |
| 15:58.55 | anddam | simon1245: usually people don't like to know when a person leave the keyboard and when it's back |
| 15:59.01 | wald0 | enouf: i would like to help out debian if i have hte sufficient knowledgements for that, but im only trying to build the nvidia driver 96 using packaging mode (debian packages), i don't like at all to use the official way, without control by packages etc |
| 15:59.09 | enouf | anddam: wtf is an xfs install? that's a FileSystem |
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| 15:59.32 | anddam | enouf: it was a unofficial netinstall with xfs support, at the time official netinstall only supported ext3 |
| 15:59.36 | simon1245 | anddam i telled enouf he was going to tell me that was why i said back and brb |
| 15:59.44 | enouf | simon1245: we need specifics about your issue - do /msg dpkg ask |
| 15:59.59 | enouf | simon1245: because - you asked, then left |
| 15:59.59 | anddam | 'telled' and 'knowledgement', guys install a spellchecker |
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| 16:00.14 | enouf | either leave, and ask when you return .. or don't ask |
| 16:00.43 | stew | simon1245: what does 'cat /proc/asound/version' say? |
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| 16:00.47 | enouf | wald0: " i don't like at all to use the official way," <-- what does that mean? |
| 16:00.47 | simon1245 | I didn't know that my mom was going to call on me |
| 16:00.59 | simon1245 | stew: with the '? |
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| 16:01.10 | stew | simon1245: no |
| 16:01.16 | enouf | wald0: if you want to help out the debian devs, a) see the appropriate mailing lists, at lists.debian.org |
| 16:01.17 | simon1245 | stew: i got this |
| 16:01.18 | simon1245 | simon1245@debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/version |
| 16:01.18 | simon1245 | Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.15 (Tue Nov 20 19:16:42 2007 UTC). |
| 16:01.34 | stew | anddam: i don't believe there was ever time that the installer only supported ext3 |
| 16:01.34 | enouf | and b) find out whom maintains the pkgs, file bug reports to BTS, etc |
| 16:01.45 | anddam | enouf: I can't say exactly what has been installed in time, I installed a netinstall (probably etch but I'm not sure) then I eventually dist-upgraded to lenny |
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| 16:01.51 | stew | simon1245: and this is with the 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 16:02.03 | lindenle | is there a very light mail server to send all mail to my smarthost? |
| 16:02.08 | simon1245 | stew: Yea |
| 16:02.17 | anddam | stew: again I'm not sure, I remember I was using a netinstall provided by a debian guy (developer?), his personal page was on debian.org domain |
| 16:02.20 | stew | simon1245: and what exactly is wrong with the sound? |
| 16:02.33 | simon1245 | I can't hear something |
| 16:02.39 | enouf | anddam: "unofficial netinstall"? how unofficial? which release was it? .. and .. most importantly, how on earth do you think/know it's now Lenny? |
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| 16:02.44 | wald0 | enouf: official way (of nvidia): install files there and here without control by packages, if you install a new version of libgl you may lost your X, etc |
| 16:02.48 | simon1245 | I have just try to run in Iceweasle in youtube |
| 16:03.21 | stew | simon1245: does 'aplay somefile' work? where somefile is a .wav or a .ogg or .mp3 or something? |
| 16:03.30 | enouf | anddam: you can't dist-upgrade to anything unless you started with official debian .. really |
| 16:03.37 | anddam | enouf: because I've only 3 entries in sources.list, all about lenny, they have been like this for.. I'd say at least an year and I've updated/upgraded several times |
| 16:03.47 | stew | simon1245: for instance 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' |
| 16:03.54 | simon1245 | Ok |
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| 16:04.14 | enouf | wald0: so ... even nvidia.com installer is broken? |
| 16:04.14 | simon1245 | Stew: I got this aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 16:04.14 | simon1245 | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 16:04.35 | enouf | anddam: well ... that's pretty darn good ... however |
| 16:04.52 | stew | simon1245: do you hear noise? |
| 16:04.57 | simon1245 | No |
| 16:05.04 | stew | simon1245: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 16:05.07 | enouf | anddam: i have files all scattered about from older woody/sarge .. yet now i run sid |
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| 16:05.16 | enouf | anddam: see my point? |
| 16:05.22 | anddam | enouf: I'm pretty lost by your " you can't dist-upgrade to anything unless you started with official debian" |
| 16:05.32 | enouf | try harder |
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| 16:05.58 | defrysk | anddam, you started with an "unofficial" foo |
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| 16:06.20 | simon1245 | Stew: i got this message when i runned alsaconf |
| 16:06.21 | simon1245 | If you reload a panel object, it will automatically be added back to the panel. |
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| 16:06.40 | simon1245 | i can choise between reload and don't reload |
| 16:06.40 | enouf | simon1245: can you tell us about which debian kernel (if it is one)? (do uname -r) .. which release? and lspci -nn | grep -i Multimedia |
| 16:06.45 | anddam | ah here it is, it was Eduard Bloch's XFS-Install |
| 16:06.51 | anddam | probably woody |
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| 16:07.13 | simon1245 | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 16:07.14 | enouf | anddam: right .. that's akin to me starting out with knoppix 3.9 |
| 16:07.17 | stew | simon1245: i've never seen that before |
| 16:07.18 | anddam | defrysk: but as long as just the fs was different where is the problem? |
| 16:07.30 | enouf | anddam: and upgrading to sarge->etch->lenny->sid |
| 16:07.31 | simon1245 | stew: what? |
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| 16:07.44 | enouf | simon1245: good .. thanks |
| 16:07.53 | stew | simon1245: i've never seen that message before, i can't imagine what alsaconf has to do with any panel |
| 16:07.55 | simon1245 | np |
| 16:08.07 | simon1245 | stew: i press reload |
| 16:08.17 | defrysk | anddam, and what enouf said , from sarge to lenny is quite a leap |
| 16:08.25 | enouf | anddam: no, it's "never" just the <insert something silly here, like FStype> that's different |
| 16:08.53 | wald0 | enouf: debian packages roolz better :) |
| 16:09.08 | wald0 | enouf: if im not wrong, nvidia installer just put files on teh system |
| 16:09.14 | enouf | anddam: i'm willing to help, if i can, but .. not here ... this is for official Debian support - thanks - whhy not /join ##linux - we'll talk more |
| 16:09.14 | simon1245 | stew; Can i send you what i see in a private message? |
| 16:09.18 | andre_pl | fde: I'm trying the 'normal' method, make && m ake modules_install worked fine, but make bzImage says "*** No rule to make target bzImage" |
| 16:09.22 | wald0 | there's a file that needs dpkg-diversion in order to not be overwrited by other package |
| 16:09.22 | stew | simon1245: use a pastebin |
| 16:09.27 | enouf | anddam: i completely forgot what your issue is even ... |
| 16:09.29 | simon1245 | OK |
| 16:09.34 | simon1245 | Sry for caps |
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| 16:09.35 | wald0 | so... if you upgrade your system, this file will be overwrited and you lost X |
| 16:09.49 | enouf | wald0: the "nvidia.com" installer? |
| 16:09.52 | enouf | wald0: wrong |
| 16:10.07 | defrysk | wald0, its like that in ubuntu |
| 16:10.28 | simon1245 | http://paste.debian.net/21926/ |
| 16:10.34 | wald0 | enouf: the nvidia.run file, well, there's more than 1 year that i don't try it, everytime i have used debian packages since by old bad experiences |
| 16:10.40 | wald0 | the .RUN file now build debian packages too ? |
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| 16:11.27 | stew | simon1245: hit ok |
| 16:11.38 | defrysk | wald0, you can easy do the .run file matching your card if you install the kernel headers and build-essential |
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| 16:11.42 | simon1245 | on which one? |
| 16:11.48 | wald0 | defrysk: never tried ubuntu, i got scared everytime i try anything of ubuntu |
| 16:11.49 | stew | simon1245: you choose |
| 16:11.50 | simon1245 | hda-intel? |
| 16:11.52 | level9wizard | Hello all |
| 16:12.00 | stew | simon1245: you have two sound cards, which one are you trying to use? |
| 16:12.00 | simon1245 | Hi :) |
| 16:12.01 | defrysk | wald0, keep it that way ;) |
| 16:12.11 | simon1245 | I didn't know i had 2 :D |
| 16:12.15 | Octalot | wald0: the .run file doesn't build packages, it just dumps the files in to /usr |
| 16:12.19 | simon1245 | i take the via |
| 16:12.19 | wald0 | defrysk: but so then, the .run file build packages ? or just install nvidia drivers on the system ? |
| 16:12.22 | level9wizard | It seems when I try and run 'httpd -k restart' from ssh on my debain system, it says command not found. |
| 16:12.25 | defrysk | wald0, nope |
| 16:12.29 | wald0 | ah... that's the paroblem then |
| 16:12.35 | stew | simon1245: can you show us the output of "lspci" ? |
| 16:12.36 | wald0 | i preffer to use packages |
| 16:12.39 | defrysk | it installs the nvidia module |
| 16:12.42 | enouf | wald0: i have ~2000 era machines that have things like 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] [10de:0110] (rev b2) installed - which require the 96xx driver - the wiki was perfect |
| 16:12.46 | level9wizard | But I can goto http://192.168.0.188/index.php and see my page just fine |
| 16:12.48 | simon1245 | stew: ok |
| 16:12.51 | level9wizard | So I know apache is working... |
| 16:12.57 | nigelbarker | cheater, been afk, you sorted your networking? |
| 16:13.21 | wald0 | enouf: you have forget my problem... my problem is that i need to update the 96 version of the driver because it doesnt' builds with this kernel |
| 16:13.24 | defrysk | has an intel vid card now and is extremely happy with the open source driver :) |
| 16:13.26 | Octalot | level9wizard: try "/etc/init.d/apache restart" (or apache2, whatever your get from filename completion) |
| 16:13.37 | wald0 | apart of that, i can build it... but not with this verison :( |
| 16:13.45 | enouf | anddam: you are not in ##linux, shall i quit? |
| 16:13.48 | cheater | nigel yep! |
| 16:13.48 | wald0 | i just want to know how does debian to update it |
| 16:13.58 | wald0 | there's a debian/upstream_info file with the version to download |
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| 16:14.06 | simon1245 | http://paste.debian.net/21927/ |
| 16:14.07 | enouf | wald0: no, i didn't forget your problem ! |
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| 16:14.14 | wald0 | but i have tried to modify it and i dont really know how to do that |
| 16:14.16 | enouf | wald0: i forgot anddam' s! |
| 16:14.39 | level9wizard | Octalot, 'forcing reload...' it looks like its working thanks |
| 16:14.45 | wald0 | i have made long time ago something like "make -f upstream" with a package in order to update it from the source |
| 16:14.46 | enouf | wald0: your problem is a non-problem ... but i appreciate you trying to chip in and help with newer kernel bugs/etc |
| 16:14.57 | wald0 | how debian packages are updated from the original sources ? |
| 16:15.03 | enouf | wald0: it works fine with .26-1 lenny kernel |
| 16:15.04 | nigelbarker | cheater -cool, I have debain on vmware server 1, mostly works fine. Great for creating new environments |
| 16:15.08 | enouf | use that! |
| 16:15.17 | simon1245 | stew: Did you see? |
| 16:15.21 | wald0 | enouf: ath9k driver is only available since .27 |
| 16:15.27 | enouf | you do NOT need ath9k support with a legacy nvidia card |
| 16:15.40 | simon1245 | stew: i send again i didn't do stew: before here is the site http://paste.debian.net/21927/ |
| 16:15.46 | level9wizard | Hmmmm |
| 16:15.47 | enouf | wald0: your motherboard can NOT use both! .. IINM |
| 16:15.48 | wald0 | enouf: no, just a macbook wifi driver |
| 16:16.06 | level9wizard | Something's wrong with my apache? http://pastie.org/319707 |
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| 16:16.15 | wald0 | enouf: right, i use my generic kernels for misc machines |
| 16:16.21 | defrysk | wald0, you can install recent drivers from kernel.org |
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| 16:16.41 | enouf | wald0: do you have any idea what that nvidia binary blob does? and how hard it is the make work correctly with our kernels? |
| 16:16.50 | wald0 | defrysk: these git branches ? mmh, i think that this is a bit more hard for me |
| 16:16.56 | enouf | or any distro kernels for that matter |
| 16:17.08 | wald0 | enouf: sincerely, no |
| 16:17.18 | enouf | buy a friggin VIA, or ATi,or Intel card! |
| 16:17.19 | simon1245 | stew: Are you still there? |
| 16:17.33 | wald0 | ati... ugh, don't scare me hehe |
| 16:17.54 | enouf | well... technically, intel doesn't make "cards" .. and i always beat on people whom talk about it as such .. so |
| 16:17.58 | comm | Is there an easy way to manage a repository of custom packages? reprepro is alright, but I'd like a better solution. |
| 16:18.22 | enouf | wald0: write nvidia a nice friggin email -- Subject: You SUCK ASS! |
| 16:18.29 | wald0 | well, intel has everytime worked correctly for me, maybe not has much features btw |
| 16:18.34 | wald0 | hehe |
| 16:18.48 | defrysk | wald0, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k follow directions |
| 16:18.56 | enouf | anddam: alive? or .. i'm quitting that silly channel |
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| 16:19.12 | enouf | done |
| 16:19.13 | wald0 | defrysk: i have read it, but looks like i can only use .27 |
| 16:19.18 | stew | simon1245: can you run "lspci -n" and show us the line for the "04:01.0" entry? |
| 16:19.35 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 16:19.46 | enouf | stew: gah . etch? no lspci -nn ? ugh .. my bad |
| 16:20.04 | simon1245 | Here 04:01.0 0403: 1106:3288 (rev 10) |
| 16:20.05 | wald0 | enouf: maybe the time can solve this :) madwifi developers has started to work in ath5k totally free replacement of madwifi privative driver then atheros has opened totally the source code and there's now, ath9k :D |
| 16:20.16 | enouf | simon1245: perfect |
| 16:20.51 | simon1245 | What does that mean? |
| 16:21.02 | enouf | wald0: right!!.. so! support ati or others than choose to open source their code! nvidia will not! |
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| 16:21.25 | defrysk | wald0, for 2.6 kernels get http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-old.tar.bz2 |
| 16:21.49 | defrysk | wald0, also install kernel-headers an build essential |
| 16:21.57 | enouf | wald0: google, "xen nvidia bug debian" for a sampling of the shit that nvidia does |
| 16:21.58 | maligor | enouf, meh, I just wish they'd release their stuffs for r600 already |
| 16:22.08 | simon1245 | stew: What to do now? |
| 16:22.30 | enouf | maligor: is that a new Mazda? |
| 16:22.32 | enouf | :-P |
| 16:22.36 | cheater | uhm |
| 16:22.41 | anddam | enouf: browsing sorry |
| 16:22.43 | level9wizard | IS there a way I can see which http.conf apache is using? |
| 16:22.43 | cheater | what are the files /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.000* ? |
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| 16:22.51 | defrysk | wald0, better go here : http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download#DownloadlatestLinuxwirelessdrivers |
| 16:23.10 | enouf | anddam: that's cool .. as i said, but if we comm, not here |
| 16:23.18 | maligor | enouf, if you compress it into a pci extension card volume and stick a pci-e connector, yes |
| 16:23.35 | anddam | enouf: I just read, I'm on ##linux |
| 16:23.36 | enouf | maligor: but does it make toast? ;-) |
| 16:23.44 | anddam | enouf: but I tought my question was in topic here |
| 16:23.48 | stew | simon1245: run alsaconf again and choose the snd-hda-intel module. i dont' know what that other one is |
| 16:23.58 | enouf | anddam: ok, i'll rejoin, but ask your question there, .. i forgot it anyway |
| 16:24.02 | simon1245 | I took that one |
| 16:24.05 | simon1245 | hda-intel |
| 16:24.09 | stew | simon1245: after that, run alsamixer and make sure your volume for master and pcm are both turned up, and unmuted |
| 16:24.20 | simon1245 | Ok 1min |
| 16:24.25 | anddam | enouf: I think it's heavily debian-related |
| 16:24.33 | enouf | anddam: only because .. well .. it's close .. but still .. do we really need to type about this? .. again? ugh |
| 16:24.38 | enouf | oh FFS! |
| 16:24.43 | stew | simon1245: 'm' toggles mute. there should be OO below the control, not MM |
| 16:24.46 | anddam | anyway I have to go out so I won't make the question then leave :-) |
| 16:24.50 | anddam | I'll reask it lateer |
| 16:24.52 | anddam | later* |
| 16:24.52 | enouf | anddam: dod you know what my bozo box is? |
| 16:24.56 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 16:25.00 | enouf | s/dod/do |
| 16:25.05 | anddam | enouf: I don't |
| 16:25.15 | enouf | you are about to find out |
| 16:25.26 | amphi | it contains a Freedom Chair, I have no doubt |
| 16:25.26 | enouf | i'm busy working .. as well as here |
| 16:25.31 | simon1245 | stew: What you mean should it be 00 or MM? |
| 16:25.41 | stew | simon1245: MM is muted |
| 16:25.45 | simon1245 | ok |
| 16:25.53 | simon1245 | Done |
| 16:25.58 | simon1245 | Nothing is muted now :) |
| 16:26.01 | stew | simon1245: try the Noise.wav |
| 16:26.18 | wald0 | defrysk: thanks, this looks interesting |
| 16:26.26 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 16:26.32 | simon1245 | How to try it again' |
| 16:26.34 | simon1245 | I forgot |
| 16:26.54 | defrysk | wald0, i installed the the wireless drivers and had wireless |
| 16:27.12 | defrysk | has an ath_5 |
| 16:27.24 | konr | What's the most recent version of debian? sid? |
| 16:27.33 | wald0 | defrysk: why they don't open totally free the drivers ? |
| 16:27.50 | defrysk | wald0, not sure how it all works |
| 16:28.02 | nigelbarker | level9wizard have a look in /etc/init.d/apache (or whatever your file is called) |
| 16:28.04 | defrysk | whats open and what not |
| 16:28.13 | wald0 | defrysk: how i should build them ? copy the dir and add in Kbuild file ? |
| 16:28.16 | anddam | enouf: I'm clueless about the bozo thing but thanks for replying |
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| 16:28.35 | defrysk | you are on the 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 16:28.44 | wald0 | ops, sorry, the last one (free) is not for you defrysk but for enouf |
| 16:28.46 | simon1245 | stew; How to run the Noise.waw |
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| 16:28.53 | stew | simon1245: same as last time |
| 16:28.58 | simon1245 | I forgot |
| 16:29.00 | simon1245 | How it was |
| 16:29.03 | stew | simon1245: /lastlog Noise |
| 16:29.11 | simon1245 | Ok |
| 16:29.16 | defrysk | wald0, running the 2.6 lenny kernel ? |
| 16:29.29 | level9wizard | nigelbarker, -bash: cd: apache2: Not a directory |
| 16:29.29 | level9wizard | debian:/etc/init.d# |
| 16:29.29 | level9wizard | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.03 | level9wizard | nigelbarker, ok I did nano apache2 |
| 16:30.14 | enouf | amphi: haha ;-) |
| 16:30.20 | konr | I mean |
| 16:30.22 | konr | What version of debian got the most recent packages? Sid? |
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| 16:30.29 | simon1245 | 1min i will download something |
| 16:30.38 | stew | level9wizard: to restart apache2, use "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" or "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" or "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" |
| 16:30.53 | stew | level9wizard: or use "apache2ctl graceful" or "apache2ctl restart" |
| 16:31.15 | level9wizard | stew, shouldn't httpd -k restart work? I used that thru ssh before but maybe that command only works on centos? |
| 16:31.27 | stew | level9wizard: no, httpd -k restart shouldn't work |
| 16:31.32 | level9wizard | I can find httpd.exe |
| 16:31.43 | stew | level9wizard: what is httpd.exe? |
| 16:31.44 | level9wizard | using locate httpd.exe |
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| 16:31.54 | level9wizard | Apache's service app isnt it? |
| 16:31.56 | abrotman | windows ? |
| 16:31.58 | stew | level9wizard: no |
| 16:32.04 | level9wizard | Hmm |
| 16:32.32 | level9wizard | /usr/lib/apache2/modules/httpd.exp |
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| 16:32.39 | stew | level9wizard: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:32.57 | level9wizard | Ok, sorry - I was just used to httpd -k restart from CentOS ssh. I assumed this was a command cmd |
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| 16:33.09 | level9wizard | Restart apache, but i think ur way works fine |
| 16:33.32 | abrotman | which way? |
| 16:33.42 | level9wizard | apache2ctl graceful |
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| 16:34.14 | enouf | defrysk: fwiw, i've been afk for a few .. but listen, wald0 wants a .27 kernel so he can mix/match hardware from 1998 through 2008 with one kernel ;-) |
| 16:34.52 | stew | apache2ctl graceful is what "/etc/init.d/apache2 reload" or "/etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload" run. all 3 of those are basically the same thing |
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| 16:35.17 | enouf | amphi: i'm passing out memberships .. to those that qualify ;-) |
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| 16:35.52 | omry | some of the ntp servers on the default debian pools are totally inaccurate |
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| 16:36.14 | enouf | omry: your pool needs some chlorine |
| 16:36.28 | omry | enouf, indeed :) |
| 16:36.30 | omry | nicely put |
| 16:36.38 | nigelbarker | level9wizard you asked which config file is active, looking in the init.d file should tell you |
| 16:37.08 | alcohol | becomes a level10hunter and kills the wizard |
| 16:37.11 | enouf | whomever has the apache/apache2 issue -> READ THE F**** CHANGELOGS |
| 16:37.15 | alcohol | hunters > wizards |
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| 16:37.21 | level9wizard | nigelbarker, it's wierd tho it says /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 16:37.21 | level9wizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.49 | level9wizard | b/c if i rename apache2.conf and restart it says it canf find apache2.conf |
| 16:37.58 | level9wizard | and httpd.conf is 0kb |
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| 16:38.04 | enouf | level9wizard: this is not windows |
| 16:38.09 | enouf | stop renaming files |
| 16:38.14 | stew | level9wizard: don't touch apache2.conf, leave it as is, httpd.conf should be an empty file until you need to do server wide csutomization |
| 16:38.29 | nigelbarker | level9wizard you need to look at how apache2 config works |
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| 16:38.54 | defrysk | enouf, omg :s |
| 16:38.55 | stew | level9wizard: the idea is that apache2.conf is the debian distributed default, which you can customize in httpd.conf, so that later the apache2 package can replace apache2.conf (as long as you haven't changed it) |
| 16:38.59 | enouf | level9wizard: you should learn how the init.d/* scripts work |
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| 16:39.23 | stew | level9wizard: use httpd.conf or ports.conf or sites-available/sites-enabled/mods-available/mods-enabled for customization |
| 16:39.24 | enouf | defrysk: i was trying to be nice .. ;-) |
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| 16:39.34 | enouf | defrysk: (to the questioner) |
| 16:39.34 | defrysk | :D |
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| 16:40.24 | omry | enouf, about ntp : just installing ntpdate should call is periodically? |
| 16:40.29 | enouf | stew: that sounds very similar to the way the -k7 kernels work through the various releases |
| 16:40.40 | enouf | omry: ntpdate sucks ass |
| 16:40.44 | enouf | remove it |
| 16:40.51 | enouf | !ntpdate |
| 16:40.51 | dpkg | somebody said ntpdate was a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. |
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| 16:41.16 | defrysk | enouf, do think however http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Download should be added to ubotu |
| 16:41.26 | defrysk | dpkg that is :s |
| 16:41.26 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, defrysk |
| 16:41.44 | stew | enouf: eh? |
| 16:41.46 | enouf | smacks defrysk about the head with a few wrong channel bots |
| 16:41.47 | defrysk | yes I was ubuntu lost too for a too long time it seems :s |
| 16:42.04 | level9wizard | stew, i wondered that. so httpd.conf overrides apache2 |
| 16:42.11 | defrysk | apologized humbly to enouf |
| 16:42.12 | wald0 | defrysk: no, .27 own compiled now |
| 16:42.23 | enouf | stew: sorry .. it's complicated .. and i'm drinking, ... so nm ;-) |
| 16:42.30 | defrysk | wald0, then your wireless should work |
| 16:43.00 | _stack | is there a way to make a user see his new groups without relog? |
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| 16:43.43 | wald0 | defrysk: yes, with .27 its included, but how i should compile it under a .26 ? any idea ? |
| 16:43.53 | stew | _stack: newgrp would switch the current group, note that it would affect any newly created files as well |
| 16:44.15 | stew | level9wizard: yes, basically |
| 16:44.23 | defrysk | wald0, read the url I gave , it also provides a link for the 2.26x kernels |
| 16:44.32 | wald0 | ok |
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| 16:44.56 | level9wizard | stew, ok thanks - I think i'll also take enouf 's advice on leanding init.d/* because I have no idea about this. Or about ports.conf or about sites-avilable/ etc.. |
| 16:45.00 | defrysk | waldo its this download : http://wireless.kernel.org/download/compat-wireless-2.6/compat-wireless-old.tar.bz2 |
| 16:45.03 | enouf | stew: i'll try breifly though, cause you're worth it - the -k7 was dropped/replaced, however in lenny/sid there's a -k7 metapackage which still really pulls in the -686 instead .. when -k7 was dropped however, people needed to be told to use the (2.6 metapackage) -686 instead |
| 16:45.21 | _stack | ok stew thanks |
| 16:45.43 | omry | enouf, what if I have a few machines? does it make sense to install ntpd on each of them? |
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| 16:46.20 | alex|xela | is it possible it in anyway to create softare raid 1 while the server is booted, without using the livecd etc? ive just noticed my 2 x 320 gb drives are not raided .. should i use mdadm? all the data is being stored on sda1, anyway i can just attach sdb1 onto it easily? and raid 1 it? |
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| 16:47.36 | enouf | stew: about "newgrp" - is that the main/only difference? .. i recall the "env" command spitting out very odd diffs .. but maybe the funkiness i noticed about using it was likely only when trying to edit older files that user was not yet in the "group" |
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| 16:47.59 | _stack | mh it doesn't works |
| 16:48.07 | enouf | omry: i don't use any ntp* at all .. but .. i would follow dpkg's advice ;-) |
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| 16:48.32 | enouf | omry: sure . .well .. unless you set up one box, from which all the others sync to |
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| 16:49.47 | enouf | level9wizard: learning "bash" as well as the sysv init system would help much - see /msg dpkg sysv, /msg dpkg init, /msg dpkg runlevels |
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| 16:50.08 | omry | enouf, and they would sync using which tool? |
| 16:50.11 | omry | ntpdc ? |
| 16:50.28 | enouf | level9wizard: sorry, see /msg dpkg sysvinit |
| 16:50.43 | omry | okay, so I got an ntpd running, how do I get it to synchronize the time of the box it's running on? |
| 16:50.52 | enouf | omry: i'm sure the docs and man pages explain all that |
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| 16:51.06 | enouf | omry: you do know about /usr/share/doc/* .. yes? |
| 16:51.28 | comm | or even better yet. google.com |
| 16:52.21 | enouf | stew: whoops, you said "*any* newly created" ... i misread; though you said "*only* newly created" |
| 16:52.34 | enouf | s.though/thought |
| 16:53.26 | enouf | level9wizard: it's /etc/init.d/* ... fwiw, if you have't figured that out |
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| 16:53.58 | ringo999 | has anyone ever compiled a kernel for macbook 1st generation? I'm trying to get a hold of a .config file for compilation... |
| 16:54.01 | omry | enouf, docs says it should just update the time by default - but it didn't do it when I restarted it, so I am a bit puzzled. |
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| 16:54.04 | level9wizard | enouf, I'm going to have to check more into that when I get home |
| 16:54.05 | enouf | ejects the pr0n dvd from last night and cranks out some tunes ;-) |
| 16:54.18 | level9wizard | enouf, but i appreciate it |
| 16:54.20 | level9wizard | lol ? |
| 16:54.42 | enouf | omry: are we talking about a LAN? |
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| 16:55.11 | omry | enouf, no. a bunch of servers on the internet, all within the same LAN - if that's what you mean. |
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| 16:55.21 | enouf | ... |
| 16:55.25 | omry | I am still at the stage where I want to see ntp working for a single server. |
| 16:55.26 | enouf | that's not a LAN |
| 16:55.48 | omry | enouf, local is a relative term. |
| 16:55.54 | omry | does it matter? |
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| 16:55.57 | enouf | omry: so is WAN |
| 16:56.00 | enouf | yes |
| 16:56.46 | enouf | omry: at this point though, since i don't use that stuff, i'll happily defer you to another - and there are many here who know - be patient |
| 16:56.52 | omry | the servers are on the same network, in the same data center. |
| 16:57.08 | enouf | omry: and everybody on Earth is local |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | there are lots of ntp docs at ntp.org |
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| 16:57.29 | lindenle | where do i go to ask automake questions? |
| 16:57.45 | amphi | lindenle: #gnu perhaps |
| 16:57.51 | enouf | omry: don't be toying with Einstein analogies with me, i'll spank you ;-) |
| 16:57.54 | omry | enouf, fair enough. although you did had a strong opinion about ntpdate (which I got to work pretty easily) |
| 16:58.05 | abrotman | is #cmake the same as make ? |
| 16:58.14 | enouf | omry: but .. i know "ntpdate" breaks other shit |
| 16:58.18 | omry | abrotman, think not. |
| 16:58.19 | enouf | Adys: no |
| 16:58.23 | amphi | abrotman: I think not |
| 16:58.24 | enouf | abrotman: no |
| 16:58.25 | abrotman | enouf: but you don't know how to use ntp either .. so how can you really say taht ... |
| 16:58.32 | enouf | Adys: sorry .. bad tab |
| 16:58.36 | Adys | no prob |
| 16:58.43 | omry | enouf, what other shit for example? |
| 16:58.47 | enouf | abrotman: because i'm intelligent ;-) |
| 16:58.50 | abrotman | right ... |
| 16:58.56 | abrotman | omry: if ntpdate works for you, use it |
| 16:59.00 | enouf | abrotman: want to argue about it? |
| 16:59.17 | abrotman | enouf: if you think you're smart, you'll also think you won the argument .. what would be the point |
| 16:59.28 | enouf | omry: hwclock for one.. |
| 16:59.36 | enouf | omry: shall we continue? |
| 16:59.54 | enouf | abrotman: stop acting like a little scholl girl please |
| 17:00.03 | abrotman | enouf: stop acting like you know what you're talking about? |
| 17:00.09 | omry | enouf, wasn't the whole point of ntp is to mess with the hardware clock? |
| 17:00.33 | enouf | abrotman: i don't? |
| 17:00.45 | enouf | abrotman: prove me wrong |
| 17:00.54 | enouf | omry: no |
| 17:01.02 | abrotman | <enouf> omry: at this point though, since i don't use that stuff, i'll happily defer you to another - and there are many here who know - be patient |
| 17:01.05 | abrotman | done! |
| 17:01.16 | enouf | abrotman: no . you asshat |
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| 17:01.29 | enouf | i specified ONE aspect about it that i know not about |
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| 17:01.57 | enouf | namely .. how to sync other PCs on the sameWAN |
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| 17:02.48 | enouf | wait .. what happened to the cmake question? |
| 17:02.56 | omry | enouf, I am still not sure why you refer to a few machines in a data server as WAN. |
| 17:03.05 | enouf | did you mean the channel? |
| 17:03.31 | enouf | omry: because they are all internet facing |
| 17:03.43 | abrotman | maybe you should call them on the same subnet ... |
| 17:03.52 | omry | so what? |
| 17:04.00 | enouf | maybe WAN is wrong, but it ain't no LAN |
| 17:04.12 | omry | it's not a networking using NAT |
| 17:04.18 | enouf | right |
| 17:04.29 | omry | but it is a LOCAL area network in the sense that all the machines are local to each other |
| 17:04.34 | abrotman | omry: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 17:04.39 | abrotman | and stop arguing with enouf |
| 17:04.49 | enouf | yeah |
| 17:04.52 | abrotman | you're both wrong |
| 17:04.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:05.04 | omry | abrotman, I am trying to agree with him. not to argue. |
| 17:05.07 | enouf | or .. i'll no pony you like i did to abrotman ;-) |
| 17:05.23 | abrotman | omry: just put him on /ignore .. |
| 17:05.29 | abrotman | omry: what issue are oyu trying to solve |
| 17:05.30 | enouf | ... |
| 17:05.38 | abrotman | dots :( |
| 17:05.41 | omry | abrotman, a shame, he can be useful sometimes. |
| 17:06.07 | enouf | omry: i'll stop replying to you .. my bad .. |
| 17:06.19 | abrotman | you're arguing semantics .. not the solution to his problem |
| 17:06.24 | omry | enouf, touchy. |
| 17:06.34 | enouf | oh FFS! |
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| 17:07.06 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 17:07.06 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 17:07.28 | omry | abrotman, well, I was complaining that the ntp servers on the debian pools are inaccurate, and enough tried to convince me that I should use ntpd instead of ntpdate |
| 17:07.30 | pseubodot | it's not that hard to do. believe me, I'm clueless and I can even do this. |
| 17:07.55 | stew | omry: yeah, you should use ntpd instead of ntpdate |
| 17:07.55 | omry | anyway, I decided to stick with ntpdate, and to put some specific ntp servers in the list |
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| 17:08.37 | pseubodot | omry: in my experience, running ntpdate is something to be done before setting up ntp (and occasionally when things get too far our of sync), because ntp doesn't like to move clocks too much |
| 17:08.49 | pseubodot | otherwise, ntp works just fine. |
| 17:08.53 | stew | omry: ntpd will keep your clock in constant sync, instead of syncing it every once in a while with ntpdate. and i don't think ntpdate is maintained any longer |
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| 17:09.39 | stew | pseubodot: ntpd will sync your clock over a few minutes intead of doing it in one burst, becuase time jumps can be bad (jobs set to run at a certain time might not be run, or might be run twice) |
| 17:09.49 | pseubodot | stew: absolutely |
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| 17:11.12 | pseubodot | stew: makes perfect sense. |
| 17:11.21 | omry | stew, just installing the ntp package should take care of it? |
| 17:11.45 | stew | omry: yes |
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| 17:13.09 | omry | stew, I installed it before and wanted to make sure that it works. so I changed the time but couldn't figure out how to get it to sync |
| 17:13.56 | X1938 | is there any way to make a reverse tunnel for port 80 just like for ssh ? |
| 17:14.29 | stew | omry: if ntpd is running, it should be syncing as long as your time is reasonably close to right |
| 17:14.39 | omry | X1938, not sure what you mean, but ssh can do tunnels both way. |
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| 17:15.06 | X1938 | omry , for allowing port 80 to be accessed from the internet |
| 17:15.16 | X1938 | im behind a NAT and a firewall |
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| 17:15.49 | omry | X1938, so you can't receive direct connections to port 80 |
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| 17:16.03 | mu-dev | is there a preprocessor that knows how to keep html tables together on one page for printing? |
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| 17:16.19 | X1938 | omry , yes |
| 17:16.43 | mu-dev | or more generally to make the print look good and not cut things like images in the middle between pages? |
| 17:17.01 | omry | X1938, that was more of a statement. if you don't control your nat and firewall, you can't receive connections to port 80 to a machine inside the nat. |
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| 17:18.13 | X1938 | omry , i have access to the port 80 , i cant access the internet freely |
| 17:18.29 | X1938 | but external access to my box is not possible |
| 17:18.37 | omry | X1938, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:18.40 | X1938 | i don't control the ports of my external ip |
| 17:19.00 | mu-dev | that would be why |
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| 17:19.20 | X1938 | trying to get access to my web server without having to connect over ssh |
| 17:19.30 | konr | Guys, I accidentally my whole filesystem, is there reason to panic? |
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| 17:19.59 | mu-dev | konr: yes, your mind is going, you're missing a verb! (just kidding :) |
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| 17:20.04 | omry | X1938, you have a machine you can use outside of the nat? |
| 17:20.07 | X1938 | hehe |
| 17:20.38 | X1938 | no |
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| 17:21.13 | maligor | crappy isps eh |
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| 17:21.20 | mu-dev | konr: seriously though, you accidentally (what) your whole filesystem? |
| 17:21.22 | omry | X1938, so I don't see what you can do. |
| 17:22.03 | maligor | mm, maybe you could make a connection initialization p2p network |
| 17:22.10 | mu-dev | is your ip bnc1.shellium.org? |
| 17:22.23 | omry | if you had such a machine you could ssh into, you could sshe into it from the blocked machine and create a reverse tunnel, and then use your browser to connect to the external machine which will forward the traffic to the blocked machine. |
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| 17:22.40 | X1938 | mu-dev , that doesn't look like an ip |
| 17:22.55 | mu-dev | there's probably one behind it :) |
| 17:23.03 | jhamlin | whenever my screen updates at all (like when I scroll a window), my sound gets all scratchy. What could possibly be the problem?? |
| 17:23.12 | X1938 | mu-dev , no |
| 17:23.16 | X1938 | whats behind it isnt mine. |
| 17:23.28 | Jckf | jhamlin: Shared IRQ? |
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| 17:23.52 | tmccrary1 | Does anyone here use Voyage Linux for embedded stuff? |
| 17:24.07 | mu-dev | practice safe computing... when sharing irqs, always use a condom |
| 17:24.14 | tmccrary1 | I'm trying to install snmpd on a router using voyage (based on debian etch) |
| 17:24.25 | tmccrary1 | I need to find some repos for it though |
| 17:25.28 | klaim | how easy is it to integrate compiled source into static binaries? |
| 17:25.42 | tmccrary1 | Can you just use regular debian ones? |
| 17:25.55 | X1938 | omry , that needs some work on both sides , im looking for a way to allow the client to access my web server over http |
| 17:26.15 | mu-dev | klaim: with or without a symbol table? |
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| 17:26.49 | klaim | mu-dev: hmm. i'll have to check on that. |
| 17:26.55 | X1938 | X1938 , directly without him using a proxy |
| 17:27.00 | X1938 | omry* |
| 17:27.06 | X1938 | :/ |
| 17:27.22 | omry | X1938, so get a real server. |
| 17:27.25 | mu-dev | run file on it, see if it's stripped, if not, there's a symbol table and it might be possible |
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| 17:27.30 | X1938 | hehe |
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| 17:28.27 | jhamlin | Jckf: how would I check for shared irq? |
| 17:29.04 | Jckf | jhamlin: I don't know. I've never had to mess with them |
| 17:29.04 | mu-dev | if it's stripped, then you're not going to be able to link them together for most practical purposes |
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| 17:30.35 | klaim | mu-dev: does Debian use symbol tables or only for development? |
| 17:30.55 | klaim | development of core Debian. |
| 17:31.06 | mu-dev | debian policy is to strip executables |
| 17:31.15 | mu-dev | which means they won't have them |
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| 17:31.16 | mu-dev | but |
| 17:31.38 | mu-dev | if you can get the source for -both-, then you have a chance to rebuild them |
| 17:32.30 | klaim | mu-dev: that results in static bins and libs... if i'm correct. |
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| 17:33.14 | mu-dev | if you have control over the build process, perhaps you can choose to link dynamically |
| 17:33.41 | mu-dev | to do that, you will have to learn the build system |
| 17:33.43 | frukt_ | hi, a tiny problem here trying to upgrade from etch to lenny. as i understand, i must first ensure etch is up-to-date, so i do "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". aptitude says: "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED", listing a huge number of packages, among them lots i wish to keep. what's up with that? |
| 17:33.53 | klaim | yee. |
| 17:34.24 | jelly | frukt_: aptitude unmarkauto packagename [packagename2 ...] you wish to keep |
| 17:34.38 | frukt_ | ok, will try that |
| 17:34.49 | mu-dev | some people think everyone should learn C... in your case, it would be handy |
| 17:34.56 | stew | frukt_: or by hitting 'm' on the package in the aptitude frotnend |
| 17:34.57 | frukt_ | but why does aptitude decide these packages are unused? |
| 17:34.58 | jelly | frukt_: you can do the same in its user interface |
| 17:35.19 | stew | frukt_: becuase they are marked as automaticaly installed, and nothing is installed that is depending on them |
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| 17:35.39 | mu-dev | is there a preprocessor that knows how to keep html tables together on one page for printing? |
| 17:35.53 | mu-dev | or more generally to make the print look good and not cut things like images in the middle between pages? |
| 17:35.55 | frukt_ | ok |
| 17:36.01 | stew | frukt_: this would happen, for instance if you ran "aptitude install gnome" which would mark all the gnome packages installed to satisfy dependencies of the gnome package as automatically installed and then ran "apt-get remove gnome" |
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| 17:36.27 | klaim | are most gnu programs coded in C or optionally C++? |
| 17:36.43 | roe | anyone know how to ignore a user? '/ignore <user> all' doesn't seem to do it |
| 17:36.57 | mu-dev | perhaps most core-level userland stuff is |
| 17:37.27 | mu-dev | roe: you probably have to ignore their hostmask |
| 17:37.47 | defrysk | best way is /quit |
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| 17:38.15 | mu-dev | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.33 | roe | defrysk, thanks, helpful |
| 17:38.42 | roe | mu-dev, I'll give that a go |
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| 17:39.12 | mu-dev | klaim, for example the C compiler is written in |
| 17:39.15 | mu-dev | wait for it |
| 17:39.16 | mu-dev | C |
| 17:39.17 | roe | it takes a little longer to prove the absence of something though |
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| 17:39.48 | klaim | uh... |
| 17:40.56 | tralala | some people think C is only good of OSes, compilers and writing other (better) languages |
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| 17:41.20 | ramanK | i love dpkg |
| 17:41.31 | Kobaz | licks dpkg |
| 17:41.33 | mu-dev | it's too tedious for most things that can be done in perl |
| 17:41.40 | klaim | C can be longsome. Though I don't know the true C. |
| 17:41.48 | Kobaz | perl! |
| 17:42.11 | Kobaz | though... why do it in perl when you can do anything in BF |
| 17:42.11 | mu-dev | or tcl |
| 17:42.15 | maligor | obfuscation contest provides you with the true C |
| 17:42.18 | ramanK | how can i have dpkg in my irc channel? |
| 17:42.25 | Kobaz | mu-dev: tcl is nice but slow |
| 17:42.29 | Kobaz | BF all the way |
| 17:42.48 | Kobaz | http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/ |
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| 17:43.37 | tralala | there are plenty of areas where coding speed is much more important than execution speed |
| 17:43.42 | mu-dev | I'd much rather have a megahal in my channel |
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| 17:44.14 | mu-dev | tralala: and compiling speed |
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| 17:44.41 | klaim | tralala: example? |
| 17:44.43 | tralala | right, I keep forgetting some languages need compiling |
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| 17:44.59 | frukt_ | as to etch->lenny, would it be ok if i just skipped the step of upgrading etch via aptitude, if it only wishes to remove packages? |
| 17:45.10 | mu-dev | klaim: web application |
| 17:45.27 | mu-dev | think about amazon.com |
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| 17:45.42 | mu-dev | now think about how long it would take to compile the whole thing |
| 17:46.05 | klaim | mm. with highly configurable settings maybe. |
| 17:46.15 | jelly | frukt_: the same issue will happen after upgrade, too |
| 17:46.21 | mu-dev | three days? |
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| 17:47.10 | frukt_ | hmm, ok |
| 17:47.29 | mu-dev | now think about, you want to change this little thing in amazon... you rebuild... three days later, you find a bug... you try to fix it... three days later... |
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| 17:49.16 | mu-dev | so 3 months later, you've fixed the bug but you forgot what you wanted to do with the code that introduced the bug in the first place... |
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| 17:55.13 | X1938 | omry , could Hamachi be helpful for such a thing ? |
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| 17:56.08 | bouba_ | hi all. i need "mkinitrd" how can i install it on my lenny? thanks |
| 17:56.29 | mu-dev | initrd-tools? |
| 17:56.33 | CoolCold | who knows, does grub writes some disk number on drive it's being installed? |
| 17:56.49 | stew | bouba_: don't use mkinitrd on recent kernels, use mkinitramfs from initramfs-tools |
| 17:56.53 | tralala | CoolCold, what disk number? |
| 17:57.09 | bouba_ | ohhhhhhh i've mkinitframs |
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| 17:57.16 | bouba_ | it's the same thing? |
| 17:57.24 | CoolCold | i've plugged disk to machine, trying to do grub-install --recheck /dev/sdc, trying to boot from /dev/sdc but on another machine and have "hard disk error" message |
| 17:57.25 | tralala | serves the same purpose |
| 17:57.42 | stew | bouba_: sort of |
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| 17:57.48 | mu-dev | mkinitramfs should be automatic on kernel images build with make-kpkg --initrd |
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| 17:58.16 | klaim | what's an initrd? |
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| 17:58.30 | klaim | some distros use it some don't. |
| 17:58.42 | klaim | initial read disk. |
| 17:58.44 | Jckf | It's the initial ramdisk |
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| 17:59.11 | CoolCold | trying: dd if=/dev/sdc count=1 of=sdc && dd if=/dev/sda count=1 of=sda, then md5sum on this files - they are different, but i guess they should be the same |
| 17:59.15 | bouba_ | stew 've always used: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.xxx |
| 17:59.24 | stew | klaim: initial ram disk. it is a small linux image that is booted, which knows how to setup an environment which allows the kenrel to mount the / partition so that the boot can continue on your install, which might include loading kernel modules, and maybe something like starting raid or lvm |
| 17:59.26 | mu-dev | it's a file that contains an image that's loaded into ram, and that ram becomes therefore a filesystem containing files read in from the initrd image |
| 17:59.33 | stew | bouba_: how are you building this kernel? |
| 17:59.57 | bouba_ | i'm building 2.6.18 |
| 17:59.59 | bouba_ | 28 |
| 18:00.17 | mu-dev | how exactly? |
| 18:00.17 | stew | klaim: many distros use an inird so that they can ship a kernel with most drivers in the kernel built as modules. then an initrd can be built for the target machine that knows how to load the modules needed for that particular machine in order to mount / |
| 18:00.19 | defrysk | 28 is out? |
| 18:00.23 | stew | no |
| 18:00.26 | bouba_ | no, rc5 |
| 18:00.28 | bouba_ | :D |
| 18:00.30 | defrysk | ok |
| 18:00.44 | stew | bouba_: are you using make-kpkg to do the compilation? |
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| 18:00.52 | bouba_ | no, only make |
| 18:01.15 | bouba_ | (kernel pacin on boot ihihihi) |
| 18:01.20 | tralala | CoolCold, sorry, no idea why it's not working |
| 18:01.22 | bouba_ | *panic |
| 18:01.33 | CoolCold | ok |
| 18:02.01 | stew | bouba_: is there a reason you are not using make-kpkg? if you used make-kpkg with the --initrd package then the initrd would be built for you automatically when you install the .deb |
| 18:02.03 | mu-dev | then you (1) won't get a .deb package of the kernel and (2) it won't automatically build the initrd for you when you install the package (that you again don't have) |
| 18:02.13 | CoolCold | other question - what should i say except "sync" to safe hotunplug sas drive? |
| 18:02.25 | mu-dev | unmount it |
| 18:02.28 | stew | CoolCold: you don't need to sync, just umount |
| 18:02.45 | CoolCold | well |
| 18:03.00 | bouba_ | stew but i don't use a .deb, i downloaded the source kernel |
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| 18:03.24 | defrysk | bouba_, read http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 18:03.28 | mu-dev | bouba_: so do I, and I use make-kpkg |
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| 18:03.34 | defrysk | it explais how to do it |
| 18:03.51 | tralala | bouba_, make-kpkg will make a package out of upstream sources |
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| 18:03.58 | stew | bouba_: make-kpkg would compile the kernel and create a .deb for you that when you insatlled the .deb an initrd would be created and your booloader (grub/lilo) would be updated |
| 18:04.02 | CoolCold | ov 20 20:39:45 ban12 kernel: [ 957.782409] sd 0:0:4:0: [sde] Synchronizing SCSI cache |
| 18:04.03 | CoolCold | Nov 20 20:39:52 ban12 kernel: [ 1992.991646] sd 0:0:4:0: [sde] Result: hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK |
| 18:04.10 | stew | bouba_: /msg dpkg kp |
| 18:04.17 | CoolCold | that messages i've seen when unplugged drive |
| 18:04.36 | CoolCold | i'm worring about synchronizing scsi cache |
| 18:04.59 | bouba_ | wow :D thanks a lot!!!! |
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| 18:06.04 | mu-dev | CoolCold: just for future, don't unplug the drive before you unmount it |
| 18:06.24 | mu-dev | bad things can and will happen |
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| 18:07.06 | CoolCold | it was unmounted |
| 18:07.22 | CoolCold | but raid wasn't stopped :) |
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| 18:09.03 | mu-dev | that might be a bad thing |
| 18:10.49 | mu-dev | what kind of raid? |
| 18:11.53 | stoned | good freakin morning! |
| 18:11.56 | stoned | ys it is |
| 18:12.20 | mu-dev | hmm, it actually is morning too |
| 18:12.21 | stoned | whats goin' on in the world of #debian |
| 18:13.20 | CoolCold | mu-dev: software raid1 |
| 18:13.40 | CoolCold | i have installed machine and wanna "clone" it to other |
| 18:14.01 | mu-dev | you might want to recover from this first :) |
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| 18:14.40 | CoolCold | inserted 2 drives from new machine, created arrays, did dump/restore to new one, fixed mdadm.conf, updated initrd and have problems with grub now |
| 18:15.17 | mu-dev | look into what yhou have to do to get boot loaders to work off a raid |
| 18:15.30 | mu-dev | I don't know it |
| 18:15.38 | CoolCold | so i guess problem mb in some drive id, cuz on "old" machine they are sdc & sdd, hd2 & hd3 for grub.. |
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| 18:18.21 | mu-dev | install grub onto something else, like a floppy, then boot from that and see if you can boot |
| 18:18.35 | mu-dev | or a usb stick |
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| 18:20.01 | CoolCold | i c.. |
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| 18:21.38 | CoolCold | i can see different md5sums for stage2 on old and new machine.. |
| 18:21.45 | CoolCold | let's check this |
| 18:21.50 | CoolCold | -> server room |
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| 18:22.54 | alex|xela | how can i tell which file / device is using /dev/sdb? im trying to add it to a raid, but it says device is busy etc |
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| 18:23.49 | tralala | mount, lsof |
| 18:24.16 | jelly | swapon -s |
| 18:24.30 | RoenieSrvr | when ~/.xinitrc exists, consisting of the line "startkde", kde is started when i log on and startx, but when I remove ~/.xinitrc gnome is started. why? |
| 18:24.31 | jelly | lvm |
| 18:24.37 | RoenieSrvr | /root/.xinitrc does not exist |
| 18:24.39 | alex|xela | all of those show no /devf/sdb |
| 18:24.42 | alex|xela | =/ |
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| 18:25.00 | jelly | alex|xela: is it partitioned? |
| 18:25.02 | xingu | adds "make sure that hypervisor is running w/ constant clock+multiplier" to his list of things to check when ntp's on the wonk |
| 18:25.19 | alex|xela | jelly: yeah sda1 / sda2 |
| 18:25.25 | alex|xela | ./ and swap |
| 18:25.28 | jelly | alex|xela: um, you said sdb previously |
| 18:25.33 | alex|xela | ah sorry sb1 |
| 18:25.35 | alex|xela | my bad |
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| 18:25.43 | alex|xela | s/a/b |
| 18:25.55 | xingu | sprinkles the channel in virtual-time-skewing p-states |
| 18:25.57 | jelly | alex|xela: are any of those partitions mounted? |
| 18:26.02 | alex|xela | nope |
| 18:26.13 | jelly | alex|xela: is the swap one in use? |
| 18:26.21 | alex|xela | nope |
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| 18:26.30 | alex|xela | thats mounted to ./dev/md1 |
| 18:26.34 | alex|xela | which is expected |
| 18:26.52 | alex|xela | im trying to add /sdb1 into /dev/md0 |
| 18:26.54 | alex|xela | but comes up with: |
| 18:26.56 | jelly | alex|xela: pastebin /proc/mdstat /proc/partitions /proc/swaps |
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| 18:27.13 | alex|xela | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
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| 18:27.54 | alex|xela | sure |
| 18:27.55 | JyZyXEL | any ideas how to test if Squid is caching pages? |
| 18:28.20 | JyZyXEL | by shutting it down it was easy to see that atleast my traffic is goin thru Squid |
| 18:28.45 | Jckf | Sniff the traffic on the other side of Squid? |
| 18:29.02 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean? |
| 18:29.04 | alex|xela | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m6dcbf05c |
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| 18:29.23 | JyZyXEL | Jckf like sniff http and then refresh same page |
| 18:29.31 | JyZyXEL | it only should show http traffic one time? |
| 18:29.44 | Jckf | JyZyXEL: Check if the proxy is requesting the pages that are supposed to be cached. If they are requested, there is no cache |
| 18:30.24 | xingu | JyZyXEL: depending on how anal your site admin is, try the TRACE method |
| 18:30.31 | jelly | alex|xela: looks like it ought to work, doesn't it! |
| 18:31.01 | alex|xela | yeap! |
| 18:31.12 | alex|xela | how can i check whats using /dev/sdb? |
| 18:31.19 | JyZyXEL | ill try with debian.org |
| 18:31.29 | alex|xela | i have a funny feeling that i maybe booted into sdb |
| 18:31.35 | JyZyXEL | tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 80 | grep debian |
| 18:31.46 | JyZyXEL | everytime i refresh the page i see a shitload of traffic |
| 18:31.49 | jelly | alex|xela: /proc/mounts ? |
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| 18:32.30 | ghostknife | I just realized, debian is brilliant :> especially for power users |
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| 18:33.52 | Gswain1 | I tried to upgrade mysql with aptitude but it failed. now whenever i want to install anything it wants to remove mysql. How can i get it to stop that, i need mysql |
| 18:34.15 | alex|xela | jelly: hm it just randomly died on me |
| 18:34.16 | alex|xela | rebooting |
| 18:34.27 | alex|xela | oh it didnt |
| 18:34.28 | alex|xela | lost ssh |
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| 18:34.31 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck is the point of the Squid if it doesn't even cache |
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| 18:34.38 | tralala | Gswain1, see what's broken |
| 18:34.51 | tralala | JyZyXEL, access control? |
| 18:34.53 | Gswain1 | tralala: im not sure how |
| 18:35.05 | Gswain1 | tralala: I guess thats sort of what im asking |
| 18:35.07 | tralala | aptitude search ~b iinm |
| 18:35.11 | jpinx | are I'm trying to sort out a wifi connection on minimum install of lenny. I don't have iwconfig, so something must be missing - what should I install to get that to work? |
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| 18:35.17 | alex|xela | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m1836bd43 |
| 18:35.25 | alex|xela | rootfs? |
| 18:35.28 | JyZyXEL | tralala whats that |
| 18:35.46 | Gswain1 | tralala: BdA mysql-server-5.0 - MySQL database server binaries |
| 18:36.04 | jhamlin | every time my screen updates (like when I scroll a window) my sound gets all scratchy. Any suggestions how to fix this? |
| 18:36.08 | jelly | alex|xela: oh great. output of "blkid" command please, too |
| 18:36.32 | dff | what is the PATH in bashrc supposed to be |
| 18:36.36 | Gswain1 | tralala: i have a backup I just dont know how to resolve the package messup |
| 18:36.50 | jpinx | jhamlin: mine does that too - -Iput it down to too little RAm and too slow a CPU |
| 18:37.00 | jelly | alex|xela: also ls -ld /dev/disk/by-uuid/33d60f96-791d-4a5d-a745-bb1ababd08fd |
| 18:37.12 | jelly | alex|xela: if it's sdb1, then you know |
| 18:37.43 | jhamlin | jpinx: I somehow think that can't be the problem consider the really old computers I've used that have no playback issues... |
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| 18:38.48 | jhamlin | jpinx: also it's only when the screen updates. Using heavy process that doesn't update the screen at all doesn't cause the scratchy sound problem |
| 18:39.05 | Gswain1 | tralala: it wont even uninstall |
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| 18:40.04 | tralala | Gswain1, why is it broken? Start aptitude interactively and see the deps |
| 18:40.13 | alex|xela | jelly: i think its booting into sda because its havent problems booting into sdb i think i have fallover =1 in grub |
| 18:40.20 | alex|xela | just doing another rebooting |
| 18:40.25 | alex|xela | have* |
| 18:40.27 | ghostknife | Not sure what's the last line you guys caught, but debian was definitely made by guys who knew what is needed |
| 18:40.45 | ghostknife | just felt I would share that, i'm exstatic. truly good distros are rare. |
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| 18:41.28 | Gswain1 | ack i cn never make any sense of aptitude interactive |
| 18:41.45 | jelly | ghostknife: it's a good thing not to be static any more when you're near electronical equipment. |
| 18:41.56 | ghostknife | jelly: ;> |
| 18:42.14 | ghostknife | jelly: I wasn't sure how to spell the word |
| 18:42.16 | alex|xela | alex|xela: ah yeah it is booting into sdb1 it seems stlll |
| 18:42.25 | alex|xela | jelly |
| 18:42.34 | ghostknife | jelly: when I get my http going I'm hitting google |
| 18:42.39 | CoolCold | well...black magic with dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc count=1 helped |
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| 18:42.58 | CoolCold | server didn't booted at fist time, but at second it could :) |
| 18:43.01 | jelly | dpkg: spell exstatic |
| 18:43.03 | dpkg | possible spellings for exstatic: ex static ex-static ecstatic isostatic exotic exegetic exotica egotistic existed |
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| 18:43.11 | ghostknife | jelly: omg :> |
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| 18:43.21 | ghostknife | ecstatic :> |
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| 18:43.30 | ghostknife | ofcourse. ecstacy -> ecstatic |
| 18:43.37 | Gswain1 | libdbi-perl? |
| 18:43.43 | tralala | Gswain1, then use synaptic or whatever works for you |
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| 18:44.06 | jelly | alex|xela: I'd change the uuid on sdb1 if it's the same as on md0 (sda1) |
| 18:44.15 | ghostknife | jelly: good distro, good bot. If I look up now, will I see a smile? |
| 18:44.19 | xingu | JyZyXEL: the X-Cache headers in a TRACE reply tell you if the object was cached |
| 18:44.24 | Gswain1 | this just happend trying to upgrade mysql with aptitude it was working isnt there anyway to just roll back |
| 18:44.57 | JyZyXEL | xingu yea i know it adds that shit in the headers |
| 18:45.00 | xingu | JyZyXEL: if not you may well find that one of the various config hacks is turning browser reload into a cache invalidate |
| 18:45.06 | alex|xela | jelly: i think i got it - i had dual root='s inside menu.lst for grub, one was root=/dev/md0 and another root=uid-133-etc |
| 18:45.09 | tralala | Gswain1, upgrade from what source? |
| 18:45.10 | JyZyXEL | X-Cache: MISS from gateway.home |
| 18:45.13 | JyZyXEL | X-Cache-Lookup: HIT from gateway.koti:3128 |
| 18:45.19 | tralala | as in apt source |
| 18:45.41 | JyZyXEL | Via: 1.0 gateway.home:3128 (squid/2.6.STABLE5) |
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| 18:45.47 | JyZyXEL | yea stuff like that |
| 18:46.05 | JyZyXEL | like it was working |
| 18:46.07 | JyZyXEL | and then its not |
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| 18:46.31 | xingu | JyZyXEL: the rules for actually fetching from cache_peers are a little perverse |
| 18:46.48 | jelly | alex|xela: sounds like a minor bug in debian's initrd... if it finds the same uuid on both a md device and a physical, it should prefer the md one |
| 18:46.49 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean fetching cache_peers? |
| 18:46.51 | xingu | JyZyXEL: doubly so if you're using icp |
| 18:46.58 | JyZyXEL | what icp? |
| 18:47.15 | alex|xela | jelly: got it! |
| 18:47.22 | alex|xela | :) |
| 18:47.22 | jelly | alex|xela: but yes, easily avoided by using root=/dev/md0 explicitely |
| 18:47.34 | xingu | JyZyXEL: the output above tells me that gateway.home is your nearside cache and that _it_ found an icp hit on gateway.koti |
| 18:47.38 | alex|xela | yeah user error- i didnt delete out the other root=entry |
| 18:47.50 | JyZyXEL | xingu and that means? |
| 18:47.54 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't work |
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| 18:48.05 | xingu | JyZyXEL: it may well decide not to cache the result - it may well calculate that fetching it takes the same amount of time that serving it from cache would |
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| 18:48.52 | JyZyXEL | xingu in 8 months the /var/spool/squid/cache has been not used AT ALL |
| 18:49.22 | JyZyXEL | or what the hell the cache directory was |
| 18:49.29 | alex|xela | jelly: [>....................] recovery = 3.7% (11419584/308367552) finish=54.7min speed=90351K/sec |
| 18:49.30 | alex|xela | :) |
| 18:49.38 | jelly | JyZyXEL: it optimized _everything_ out! |
| 18:49.46 | alex|xela | jelly: thanks for going with me through trbouleshooting, helped me |
| 18:49.58 | jelly | cheers |
| 18:50.01 | JyZyXEL | yea so basicly its the most fucking useless thing i've ever seen |
| 18:50.26 | JyZyXEL | and it doesn't work |
| 18:50.30 | jelly | or perhaps it had less than useful defaults and an admin that trusted it |
| 18:50.33 | xingu | JyZyXEL: caching to disk is a dud idea anyway in my experience |
| 18:51.14 | JyZyXEL | well i'd presume disk is faster than internets |
| 18:51.27 | jelly | xingu: I find it useful on my 2Mbit DSL line. Even more back when it'd been 1 ot .5 Mbps |
| 18:51.34 | xingu | JyZyXEL: two problems; one, disks are _slow_; two, the squid ufs in-memory structures are _massive_ - which means you need similarly massive amounts of memory to hold them, and memory bandwidth to search them |
| 18:51.34 | Gswain1 | ok i know whats breaking it |
| 18:51.35 | xingu | JyZyXEL: it's not |
| 18:51.45 | xingu | JyZyXEL: unless you're accessing it from shoephone in .za |
| 18:51.51 | JyZyXEL | well is it caching in memory then? |
| 18:51.53 | jelly | .hr! |
| 18:51.56 | Gswain1 | aptitude cant stop mysql it says for my to stop myself and try upgrading again |
| 18:52.00 | JyZyXEL | is it doing anything |
| 18:52.04 | xingu | jelly: try the difference between an all-memory caching design and a disk one |
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| 18:52.08 | JyZyXEL | other than just using CPU for nothing |
| 18:52.18 | jelly | xingu: I don't have that much memory! |
| 18:52.30 | Gswain1 | the problem is that i cant stop MySQL with /etc/innit.d/mysql stop as root it says [fail] |
| 18:52.39 | xingu | jelly: you don't need much; cache_dir null /var/spool/squid |
| 18:52.57 | jelly | xingu: I trust VFS to cache in memory! |
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| 18:53.13 | xingu | jelly: ... and that's another problem. :) |
| 18:53.23 | jelly | (also, it's wwwoffle and not squid) |
| 18:53.23 | xingu | jelly: squid never stops caching in memory... |
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| 18:53.36 | JyZyXEL | how do you see if Squid is caching in memory? |
| 18:53.53 | xingu | JyZyXEL: it always does |
| 18:53.54 | jelly | RESident memory usage of a few gigs? |
| 18:53.57 | JyZyXEL | no it doesn't |
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| 18:54.14 | JyZyXEL | xingu how do you explain it getting the page always again when i refresh |
| 18:54.16 | jhamlin | every time my screen updates (like when I scroll a window) my sound gets all scratchy. I'm completely out of ideas on what the problem is. Any suggestions would be helpful... |
| 18:54.22 | fxc_ | hi folks. how to disable virtual consoles tty1-ttyX during startup and let X start on tty1? |
| 18:54.23 | xingu | squid cannot run and also not serve objects from memory |
| 18:54.25 | JyZyXEL | tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 80 | grep debian |
| 18:54.31 | xingu | it can run and not swap them out to disk |
| 18:54.45 | JyZyXEL | i refresh debian.org |
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| 18:54.54 | JyZyXEL | and i see a shitload of packets |
| 18:54.57 | xingu | JyZyXEL: I'm assuming that at some point you're going to stop waving your hands around and actually post a config file and a problem case |
| 18:54.58 | jelly | fxc_: what will happen when X breaks? |
| 18:55.06 | Gswain1 | How can I stop MySQL ? |
| 18:55.29 | jelly | fxc_: in any case, you can disable the virtual console login screens in /etc/inittab |
| 18:55.32 | mu-dev | either using a hammer, crossbow or laaz rocket |
| 18:55.41 | JyZyXEL | xingu there is no "pastebinit" in etch |
| 18:56.06 | mu-dev | with the rocket being the fastest of the three at stopping mysql |
| 18:56.08 | jelly | Gswain1: invoke-rc.d mysql stop |
| 18:56.18 | JyZyXEL | the file has 5000 lines |
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| 18:56.27 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:56.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin pipe is Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.phppipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234". |
| 18:56.35 | xingu | JyZyXEL: fwiw my squid cache here just managed to cache www.debian.org as expected |
| 18:56.56 | JyZyXEL | xingu how do you figure |
| 18:57.10 | JyZyXEL | watch your tcpdump |
| 18:57.18 | Gswain1 | jelly: * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld [fail] |
| 18:57.30 | jelly | Gswain1: is the process still alive? |
| 18:57.34 | Gswain1 | ye |
| 18:57.35 | Gswain1 | a |
| 18:57.36 | xingu | JyZyXEL: that's what I looked at to measure. |
| 18:57.40 | Gswain1 | 67815 |
| 18:57.48 | JyZyXEL | xingu what did you see? |
| 18:57.50 | Gswain1 | i kill -9 it just creates another |
| 18:57.55 | jelly | Gswain1: well, the process and the pid file got unsynchronized |
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| 18:58.06 | fxc_ | jelly: its a standalone internet terminal, so no vt's needed. running from cf card. if it crashes, next reboot should help ;-) hm, i am confused about the ttyX definitions in inittab. not sure how to modify them to only get X on tty1 |
| 18:58.09 | mu-dev | is there somethign wrong with that factoid? |
| 18:58.10 | jelly | Gswain1: pastebin "ps -fe |grep mysql" |
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| 18:58.38 | JyZyXEL | tcpdump -i eth0 dst port 80 and dst host 194.109.137.218 |
| 18:58.41 | JyZyXEL | theres the command |
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| 18:59.10 | jelly | Gswain1: did you install this machine? is it running some service monitor like monit, or svc? |
| 18:59.13 | JyZyXEL | 30 packets per refresh? |
| 18:59.18 | Gswain1 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/m28d7a39e |
| 18:59.22 | JyZyXEL | xingu how many packets per refresh? |
| 18:59.25 | JyZyXEL | for you |
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| 18:59.36 | Gswain1 | i installed it, its not running anything like that that i know of |
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| 18:59.55 | jelly | Gswain1: kill mysqld_safe script, but not with -9 |
| 19:00.01 | mu-dev | you installed mysql from apt-get? |
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| 19:00.27 | rjent | Greetings, how do I make a specific module from the /usr/src/linux-headers-kernel_ver and then install? |
| 19:00.39 | allos_nerelin | is dpkg install package.deb? |
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| 19:01.00 | jelly | allos_nerelin: what? |
| 19:01.01 | Gswain1 | jelly kill 4817 doesnt seem to do anything its still running |
| 19:01.01 | mu-dev | allos_nerelin: yes... dpkg --help |
| 19:01.15 | xingu | JyZyXEL: none via telnet; reconfiguring a browser so that I can do this in a gui, not expecting any different result |
| 19:01.25 | JyZyXEL | none? |
| 19:01.31 | JyZyXEL | you are full of shi |
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| 19:01.32 | jelly | Gswain1: ok... try -TERM, -HUP, -QUIT, -9, roughly in that order |
| 19:01.35 | xingu | 0 |
| 19:01.45 | JyZyXEL | yea well thats wrong |
| 19:01.59 | JyZyXEL | then you Squid isn't even checking is the page is updated |
| 19:02.07 | JyZyXEL | so if the page ever canges you would see nothing |
| 19:02.25 | xingu | JyZyXEL: 50 on the gui; wireshark coming up to see what. |
| 19:02.34 | JyZyXEL | good |
| 19:02.35 | allos_nerelin | for install gcc-3.3_3.3.6-15_amd64.deb? |
| 19:02.39 | jelly | JyZyXEL: if the web server sent an Expires: header, there's no reason not to trust it |
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| 19:03.05 | jelly | thinks that's what it's called |
| 19:03.25 | jelly | allos_nerelin: oh. dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 19:03.43 | jelly | also, |
| 19:03.43 | jelly | !br |
| 19:03.44 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 19:04.23 | allos_nerelin | dpkg: error processing gcc-3.3_3.3.6-15_amd64.deb (--install): |
| 19:04.24 | allos_nerelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.24 | allos_nerelin | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 19:04.24 | allos_nerelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.24 | dpkg | allos_nerelin: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 19:04.31 | xingu | JyZyXEL: the request/response pairs are all ims checking and the responses are 304's as you'd expect |
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| 19:04.40 | allos_nerelin | debian-br = dead |
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| 19:05.03 | allos_nerelin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.29 | xingu | JyZyXEL: if ims behaviour is bugging you, investigate refresh_pattern |
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| 19:05.39 | mu-dev | allos_nerelin: you need the i386 one |
| 19:05.52 | asteroid_ | hello. Which install can I make for a machine without input device nor screen ? |
| 19:05.58 | asteroid_ | and no pxe |
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| 19:06.31 | jelly | asteroid_: can it boot from a cdrom or usb key? |
| 19:06.33 | mu-dev | asteroid_: is this a box without holes? |
| 19:06.44 | asteroid_ | cdrom yes |
| 19:06.44 | petemc | !rube goldberg install |
| 19:06.44 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 19:07.02 | mu-dev | what's a floppy? |
| 19:07.28 | petemc | something that flops |
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| 19:07.32 | Gswain1 | jelly: thanks a bunch stopping that allowed my package upgrade to work |
| 19:07.33 | asteroid_ | mu-dev, she got holes, but I must keep it virgin to marry her, if not, she will cost less |
| 19:07.34 | mu-dev | what kind of net card? |
| 19:08.16 | mu-dev | prosti^Wmarriage? |
| 19:09.21 | mu-dev | can you boot from paper tape? |
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| 19:14.03 | nascentmind | hi. I did apt-get dist-upgrade and I get this problem "error processing linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 (--configure):" |
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| 19:14.44 | joeytwiddle | maybe if you scroll up you can see a message why it broke |
| 19:15.42 | nascentmind | i get this message too --> initrd.img(/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64) points to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64 (/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-amd64) -- doing nothing at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64.postinst line 569.vmlinuz(/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 19:15.42 | nascentmind | ) points to /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64) -- doing nothing at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64.postinst line 569. |
| 19:16.43 | nascentmind | joeytwiddle, I can't understand what the problem is.. |
| 19:17.07 | asteroid_ | well, there is no way to boot from a cd, and access install via ssh for exemple ? |
| 19:18.26 | twobitsprite | asteroid_: I believe there is an option |
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| 19:18.40 | twobitsprite | in fact... I thought ssh was open by default on the installer... |
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| 19:21.07 | asteroid_ | twobitsprite, you say me I download a net install floppy/cd, boot on, and I can access it throught ssh ? |
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| 19:22.54 | nascentmind | any chances of some help? |
| 19:23.45 | nascentmind | i really need to upgrade to a newer kernel.. |
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| 19:25.44 | klaim | is v5 w/KDE v4? |
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| 19:26.45 | jackgall | Hey |
| 19:26.55 | jackgall | is there any im client that can share files with google talk on windows ? |
| 19:27.04 | jackgall | share and recieve |
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| 19:27.33 | jackgall | I am able to send files via pidgin sometimes but I am not able to receive files |
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| 19:29.17 | alys | The only client I know is gaim - but I don't use doze so I cannot guarantee it will work - sorry. |
| 19:29.30 | klaim | uhm... #pidgin? |
| 19:31.55 | klaim | :-* |
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| 19:34.59 | nascentmind | is it a problem with device.map file in grub? |
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| 19:35.37 | nascentmind | i get this problem of -> User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1 |
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| 19:41.17 | lavi | Hi all! |
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| 19:41.48 | lavi | who knows, how can i install devian live on hdd? |
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| 19:44.20 | lavi | who knows, how can i install devian live on hdd? |
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| 19:49.12 | vlt | Hello. My default route is set via ppp0 by pppd. How can I add a "fallback" route? I want all packets to be sent via another IP address when ppp0 goes down. |
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| 19:49.55 | riaal | can I set a local umask in ~/.basrc? |
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| 19:51.44 | frukt_ | hello again, back with the etch->lenny ugrade woes. after lots of upgrading of various packages, i rebooted and X + gdm comes up, but login is impossible. at the console, when i try to log in with my normal user (auth over LDAP) i just get "login incorrect", when trying as root, i get "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info". Any ideas? |
| 19:51.46 | anddam | riaal: of course but it won't be parsed by any known shell |
| 19:52.30 | riaal | anddam: I kind of figured, what's the proper way of setting a local umask? |
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| 19:53.07 | anddam | .bashrc could be fine (assuming you're using bash) |
| 19:53.27 | anddam | or .profile or /etc/profile, this acordding to what you mean with local |
| 19:53.47 | riaal | I want to set it for a specific user |
| 19:54.14 | \amethyst | riaal: should that user be able to change it? |
| 19:54.28 | riaal | doesn't really matter |
| 19:54.46 | stoffepojken | Is it a command to check the which users who have logged in to my server and when? |
| 19:54.53 | anddam | riaal: .bash_profile .profile or .bashrc (again, for bash) in $HOME should be fine |
| 19:55.05 | valdyn | stoffepojken: last |
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| 19:56.11 | stoffepojken | thank you valdyn :) |
| 19:57.36 | riaal | works great, thanks anddam |
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| 19:58.49 | anddam | yw |
| 19:59.12 | wald0 | why ubuntu doesn't collaborate with debian with all the LOT of patches and modifications that they does ? |
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| 19:59.30 | wald0 | they has not sufficient with thief the debian developers with his dirty money ? |
| 19:59.50 | anddam | wald0: do you think really you can have an answer to that question on this chan? |
| 20:00.09 | wald0 | anddam: haha, no |
| 20:00.24 | wald0 | anddam: im going to write an article: "ubuntu is bad for debian" |
| 20:01.09 | valdyn | wald0: why do you think that ubuntu does not collaborate with debian? |
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| 20:02.39 | cahoot | wald0: my impression is hte devs are less dogmatic than users |
| 20:03.22 | ringo999 | hi. i installed debian on my macbook. now i would like to attach an external monitor, how to do? i need to reconfigure the xorg.confg? |
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| 20:03.50 | cahoot | ringo999: connect and see if xrandr -q lists it |
| 20:04.17 | Nenillo | hi, is there any updated document about how to get direct rendering support with an ati radeon card? |
| 20:04.29 | amphi | ringo999: not if you just want to clone the display; you can just use xrandr |
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| 20:05.05 | dropper | can someone tell me the cmd to recognize a usb-stick from the console only (no X windows) ? |
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| 20:05.14 | mhall | I just noticed my bash shell was executing under PID 31337. :-D |
| 20:05.32 | dropper | mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted |
| 20:05.32 | dropper | umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted |
| 20:05.36 | dropper | ?? |
| 20:05.39 | ringo999 | cahoot: ok it finds it, so how to clone? |
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| 20:06.23 | amphi | ringo999: 'xrandr --output $OUTPUT_NAME --auto' should do it, if I recall correctly |
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| 20:06.31 | Aspide69 | Ciao a tutti !!!!! |
| 20:06.51 | cahoot | ringo999: googled for you: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 |
| 20:07.02 | anddam | Aspide69: great way to introduce |
| 20:07.35 | Aspide69 | bhooo |
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| 20:07.44 | anddam | I'm curious what will happen next |
| 20:07.49 | Aspide69 | explore |
| 20:09.39 | dropper | if I try mounting it with /dev/uba1 it tells me i have to specify the fs type |
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| 20:10.00 | dropper | mount shows it as unmounted |
| 20:10.07 | dropper | id |
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| 20:11.06 | dropper | so to sum, Debian Etch, USB stick, mount complains already mounted, umount complains, not mounted |
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| 20:13.17 | vlt | dropper: What happens when you specify both source and target point: `mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/some/mount/point`? |
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| 20:13.33 | klaim | f**k i gotta my hands on trip hop music. |
| 20:13.34 | dropper | same thing, complains it is already mounted or destination mount in use |
| 20:13.38 | rjent | Greetings, is there anyway to make module-assistant build modules from the kernel tree? |
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| 20:13.47 | dropper | clearly its not in use as I just mkdir'd it and am not in it |
| 20:14.09 | Agiofws | i carrot |
| 20:14.27 | ringo999 | cahoot: when im trying to output to my external vga i get: xrandr: cannot find crtc for output VGA |
| 20:14.34 | vlt | dropper: What does `vol_id /dev/sda1` tell you? |
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| 20:15.18 | dropper | um, I don't seem to have vol_id in Etch?? |
| 20:15.37 | bolt | my root partition shows "/dev/md0 4.6G 3.9G 514M 89% /" with df -h | grep md0, but when I do "du -shx /" i get "2.0G /"... wtf? |
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| 20:15.52 | amphi | ringo999: the output is called 'VGA'? on my radeon, it was VGA-0 if I recall correctly |
| 20:16.26 | sgh | cpufreqd cant find energy_full and energy_now... what can I do? |
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| 20:16.50 | vlt | dropper: hmmm, it's not installed by default. Are you sure there's a valid fs on /dev/sda1? |
| 20:16.57 | dropper | i do have vol_id in lib/udev |
| 20:17.18 | dropper | it just wasn't in my path |
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| 20:17.47 | dropper | since vol_id is saying sda1 is raid, that is prolly not my usb stick |
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| 20:18.00 | ringo999 | there is also a TMDS-1 |
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| 20:18.13 | vlt | dropper: That's why it's not mountable ;-) |
| 20:18.47 | ringo999 | xrandr -q gives me a vga, lvsd and tmds-1 |
| 20:18.52 | cahoot | ringo999: if you bothered with the url I pasted all would be clear to you |
| 20:18.53 | ringo999 | how do i know which on is which? |
| 20:18.55 | dropper | however when i vol_id uba1 it gives "error open volume |
| 20:18.58 | amphi | dropper: look at your log when you insert it, to see what device it is |
| 20:19.00 | vlt | dropper: `ls /dev/sd*` |
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| 20:19.55 | dropper | ls yes, sda sda1 etc ... sdc1 but they all seem to be raid |
| 20:20.24 | vlt | dropper: `lsusb` |
| 20:20.25 | bolt | du -shx shows my root partition holds 2.0G, but df -h shows it has 3.9G on it. help? |
| 20:20.40 | dropper | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0204:6025 |
| 20:20.41 | dropper | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 20:20.41 | dropper | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0d3d:0040 Tangtop Technology Co., Ltd |
| 20:20.41 | dropper | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 20:21.31 | dropper | sorry about that |
| 20:21.55 | dropper | I think it may be on udev/sdc1... it mounts anyway |
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| 20:22.53 | vlt | dropper: Is that your storage device (0d3d:0040)? |
| 20:23.47 | dropper | ID_FS_UUID=2842-0DC4 |
| 20:23.52 | dropper | so, no? |
| 20:24.13 | twobitsprite | bolt: are you sure you are looking at the "used" column in df ? |
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| 20:24.22 | vlt | dropper: Two different things. |
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| 20:24.27 | dropper | also it only seems to be seeing the first partition on the stick which is fat32 |
| 20:24.30 | bolt | twobitsprite: "/dev/md0 4.6G 3.9G 514M 89% /" |
| 20:24.33 | bolt | twobitsprite: definately |
| 20:24.33 | dropper | not the linux or solaris partitions |
| 20:24.37 | dropper | oh ok thanks |
| 20:24.48 | dropper | but yes I think I have the 1st of the 3 partitions mounted |
| 20:25.06 | dropper | but sdc2 just gives me error open volume when I vol_id it |
| 20:25.24 | twobitsprite | well... I would trust df over du... not sure why there is a discrepency |
| 20:25.34 | vlt | dropper: `fdisk -l /dev/sdc` |
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| 20:26.06 | dropper | /dev/sdc1 * 1 64204 4044768+ 6 FAT16 |
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| 20:26.21 | dropper | ah there it is |
| 20:26.25 | twobitsprite | bolt: they line up for me |
| 20:26.27 | dropper | fdisk /dev/sdc1 |
| 20:26.38 | dropper | /dev/sdc1p1 |
| 20:26.50 | dropper | hard to think, my office mate is blasting techno |
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| 20:27.24 | sgh | cpufreqd cant find energy_full and energy_now... what can I do? |
| 20:27.25 | SQlvpapir_ | i am playing a video over curlftp, but only audio plays.. any clues? file plays fine locally |
| 20:27.48 | dropper | the only thing is when I try to mount /dev/sdc1p2 it says I havde to specify the partition type |
| 20:27.58 | dropper | but it's just vanilla 83 |
| 20:28.21 | vlt | dropper: FAT16 is not 83 |
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| 20:29.04 | vlt | dropper: `/lib/udev/vol_id /dev/scd1` |
| 20:29.05 | dropper | no fat is the first partition which mounted fine |
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| 20:29.21 | dropper | the second partition is 83 but it keeps complaing to specity the partition type |
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| 20:29.46 | Welshman | is lennt stable? |
| 20:29.52 | Welshman | *lenny |
| 20:29.55 | vlt | dropper: `fdisk -l` didn't show a 2nd partition, did it? |
| 20:30.05 | dropper | actually it did |
| 20:30.18 | vlt | dropper: `/lib/udev/vol_id /dev/scd2` |
| 20:30.27 | Welshman | its not a hard question |
| 20:30.34 | dropper | fdisk -l /dev/sdc1 |
| 20:30.36 | SQlvpapir_ | Welshman soon-to-be |
| 20:30.37 | dropper | shows all 3 partitions |
| 20:30.40 | Welshman | ah |
| 20:30.49 | Welshman | thought it was realeased |
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| 20:31.02 | Welshman | on some mail lists I am on |
| 20:31.09 | dropper | it shows them as dev/sdc1p1 dev/sdc1p2 and /dev/sdc1p3 |
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| 20:31.12 | Welshman | got that impression |
| 20:31.13 | SQlvpapir_ | well whenever its ready.. |
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| 20:31.21 | vlt | dropper: scd_1_ contains 3 partitions? |
| 20:31.25 | vlt | dropper: !?! |
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| 20:31.57 | dropper | yes |
| 20:31.59 | SQlvpapir_ | freeze period has been long already.. |
| 20:32.02 | dropper | that is correct |
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| 20:32.18 | vlt | dropper: So the best way I can think of is some `losetup` magic ... |
| 20:32.38 | dropper | whoa. |
| 20:33.07 | dropper | perhaps I should get a different stick or repartition this one |
| 20:33.36 | dropper | basically I want to make a usb stick that dual boots Linux and Solaris |
| 20:33.56 | roe_ | anyone feel brave enough to help with a cups issue? I have a cups server on lenny and a client on lenny. the client can print from OOo and icedove but not from gedit, iceweasel, the "print" button is greyed out |
| 20:33.58 | dropper | I have the partitions and the iso's and was going to use QEMU |
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| 20:35.18 | vlt | dropper: `losetup -vf -o $((63*512)) /dev/scd1` |
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| 20:35.46 | mysteryc | Hey |
| 20:35.55 | vlt | dropper: Then look at `vol_id /dev/loop1` (assuming the former cmd returned loop1) |
| 20:36.00 | dropper | Loop device is /dev/loop0 |
| 20:36.03 | dropper | /dev/scd1: No such file or directory |
| 20:36.18 | vlt | dropper: sdc, sorry |
| 20:36.28 | dropper | oops ok |
| 20:36.30 | mysteryc | How can I make it so that when I boot up, the computer will automatically check for new updates? |
| 20:36.37 | mysteryc | !update |
| 20:36.37 | dpkg | from memory, update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. |
| 20:37.00 | rwaite | cron.secondly |
| 20:37.12 | dropper | losetup comes back with loop device is loop0 |
| 20:37.31 | dropper | but vol_id loop1 gives unknown volume type |
| 20:37.32 | dropper | hmmm |
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| 20:38.17 | vlt | dropper: `fdisk -ul /dev/sdc1` |
| 20:38.39 | vlt | dropper: What does "start" say for sdc1p1? |
| 20:38.49 | dropper | yes there are all 3 partitions |
| 20:38.54 | dropper | it starts at 62 |
| 20:39.01 | allos_nerelin | How I do see version of gcc? |
| 20:39.07 | vlt | dropper: `losetup -vf -o $((62*512)) /dev/scd0` |
| 20:39.24 | vlt | dropper: `losetup -vf -o $((62*512)) /dev/sdc1` |
| 20:39.33 | vlt | dropper: 2nd cmd ;) |
| 20:39.37 | dropper | getting loop device is dev loop1 |
| 20:39.48 | vlt | dropper: vol_id on loop1 |
| 20:40.01 | dropper | still getting /dev/sdc0: No such file or directory |
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| 20:40.32 | vlt | dropper: sdc0 is wrong |
| 20:40.35 | dropper | vol_id returns /dev/loop1: unknown volume type |
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| 20:40.43 | dropper | yes it is , got that |
| 20:40.45 | vlt | dropper: hmmm |
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| 20:41.05 | dropper | but all 3 partitions are definitely there on sdc1 ! |
| 20:41.11 | vlt | dropper: post the sdc1p1 line from the fdisk -ul cmd please |
| 20:41.26 | dropper | /dev/sdc1p1 62 1476095 738017 b W95 FAT32 |
| 20:41.38 | dropper | and... |
| 20:41.40 | dropper | /dev/sdc1p2 1476096 1626879 75392 83 Linux |
| 20:41.56 | dropper | /dev/sdc1p3 1626880 8086783 3229952 bf Solaris |
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| 20:42.11 | vlt | dropper: and the "units = sectors of ... " line |
| 20:42.22 | dropper | um...? |
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| 20:42.32 | vlt | dropper: from fdisk |
| 20:42.41 | dropper | Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes |
| 20:42.50 | dropper | it's a 4GB stick |
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| 20:43.39 | Jimii | hello guys |
| 20:44.11 | vlt | dropper: paste `losetup /dev/loop1` |
| 20:44.18 | Jimii | I have bought a shell , and i am trying to install ircd on it. but it keeps saying to me permission denied, any idea y is that please? |
| 20:44.21 | allos_nerelin | I do like to see my version of gcc? |
| 20:44.28 | dropper | interesting |
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| 20:44.29 | dropper | /dev/loop1: [0000]:0 (ðùqJ+) offset 0, none encryption |
| 20:44.38 | dropper | and |
| 20:44.39 | dropper | loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop1: No such device or address |
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| 20:44.44 | scientes | how do i force apt to consider a non-configured package configured |
| 20:44.57 | scientes | the postinstall script for my kernel never worked but the kernel works fine |
| 20:44.57 | Jimii | slice25149:~/ircd# ./Config |
| 20:44.57 | Jimii | -bash: ./Config: Permission denied |
| 20:45.00 | rwaite | Jimii: what? |
| 20:45.10 | rwaite | Jimii: chmod +x Config |
| 20:45.11 | scientes | and now it overwrites my menu.1st every time i install a package |
| 20:45.16 | Tramp | !tell allos_nerelin about version |
| 20:45.23 | vlt | dropper: Try `losetup -vf -o $((62*512)) /dev/sdc1` again, please |
| 20:45.42 | dropper | yes it confirms that Loop device is /dev/loop1 |
| 20:45.53 | Tramp | allos_nerelin: see the "Miscellanous" entry |
| 20:45.54 | vlt | dropper: paste `losetup /dev/loop1` now |
| 20:46.06 | dropper | /dev/loop1: [000e]:120171 (/dev/sdc1), offset 31744 |
| 20:46.09 | dropper | ah |
| 20:46.17 | vlt | dropper: vol_id on loop1 |
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| 20:46.36 | dropper | listill unknown volume type |
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| 20:47.15 | vlt | dropper: Then I'm out of ideas (soon) |
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| 20:47.33 | vlt | dropper: We could check sdc1p2 and sdc1p3 ... |
| 20:47.37 | dropper | this was helpful however, so thanks, I am not terribly familiar with losetup |
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| 20:47.49 | allos_nerelin | thanks |
| 20:47.55 | dropper | they don't seem to show up except in fdisk of sdc1 |
| 20:47.59 | phiwer | hello! does anyone know of any repo with an updated version of xf86-video-intel? |
| 20:48.00 | vlt | dropper: Just replace 62 by the "start" value |
| 20:48.04 | dropper | yes |
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| 20:48.41 | dropper | Loop device is /dev/loop2 |
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| 20:48.45 | dropper | but... |
| 20:48.49 | dropper | /dev/sdc1p2: No such file or directory |
| 20:49.04 | vlt | dropper: That#S correct |
| 20:49.09 | dropper | oh good |
| 20:49.15 | dropper | doing sdc1p3 then |
| 20:49.29 | vlt | sdc1p2 is a pseudo name used by fdisk |
| 20:49.51 | dropper | that would explain it |
| 20:49.55 | vlt | dropper: vol_id on loop2 |
| 20:50.06 | dropper | however when I did sdc1p3, it came back as loop2 (!?) |
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| 20:50.24 | dropper | instead of loop3 ? |
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| 20:51.02 | vlt | dropper: `losetup` _creates_ a loop device that points to another file or device w/ optional offset (or encryption layer) |
| 20:51.23 | vlt | dropper: What does vol_id say about /dev/loop2? |
| 20:51.30 | dropper | yes I am unsure why the first 2 created loop1 and loop2, but the 3rd one created loop2 again |
| 20:51.50 | dropper | /dev/sdc1p3: No such file or directory |
| 20:51.57 | dropper | oops |
| 20:52.05 | dropper | i mean |
| 20:52.06 | dropper | /dev/loop2: unknown volume type |
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| 20:53.11 | dropper | I'm afriad ive gotten them muxed up |
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| 20:53.16 | dropper | I just did losetup -vf -o $((62*512)) /dev/sdc1p1 |
| 20:53.20 | dropper | and it came back on loop3 |
| 20:53.23 | vlt | dropper: look at `hd /dev/loop2 | less`. Does this look like a fs to you? |
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| 20:53.38 | dropper | yep! |
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| 20:54.02 | dropper | so does loop1 |
| 20:54.08 | patrikf | x |
| 20:54.10 | dropper | loop3 howev clearly has no fs |
| 20:54.29 | dropper | loop3 was the one that come back from losetup of sdc1p1, my bad |
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| 20:54.51 | vlt | dropper: So it actually doesn't exist. |
| 20:54.57 | dropper | no |
| 20:55.13 | dropper | and I would say loop1 and loop2 are the same fs |
| 20:55.31 | vlt | dropper: I think losetup returns "loop3 is the next free device" but fails allocating it ... |
| 20:56.03 | vlt | dropper: `losetup /dev/loop1`; |
| 20:56.06 | vlt | dropper: `losetup /dev/loop2`; |
| 20:56.14 | vlt | dropper: should tell you |
| 20:56.26 | amphi | dropper: file -s /dev/loop2 |
| 20:56.39 | dropper | they have the same offset, of course |
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| 20:57.02 | dropper | thus file -s returns the same too (data) |
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| 20:57.49 | vlt | dropper: So it isn't recognised as fs |
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| 20:58.04 | dropper | I totally appreciate the insight, vlt howev I think I will put aside the qemu boot stick and just boot a single OS on it |
| 20:58.13 | amphi | dropper: '/dev/loop0: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (mounted or unclean)' I get here, for example |
| 20:58.33 | dropper | oh I don't get that amphi it just comes back as "data" |
| 20:58.58 | amphi | dropper: then your offset is wrong, I guess |
| 20:59.08 | dropper | i took them right out of fdisk |
| 20:59.10 | vlt | dropper: maybe just reformatting the drive fixes it ... |
| 20:59.15 | amphi | mine is a single fs-in-a-file |
| 20:59.55 | amphi | dropper: fdisk and losetup use different units if I recall correctly - or did you take that into account? |
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| 21:00.42 | dropper | well I thought I did, but even if not, they wouldn't accidentally end up on the *same* offset |
| 21:00.48 | dropper | just the *wrong* offset |
| 21:00.48 | vlt | amphi: His fdisk said 62 * 512 as start value which he used as offset value. |
| 21:00.55 | dropper | yes |
| 21:01.11 | vlt | maybe the fs is just broken |
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| 21:01.50 | dropper | I will try a qemu dual boot on a different usb stick |
| 21:02.01 | dropper | this one I'll just single boot |
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| 21:02.32 | lewis2 | I am having difficulty with RewriteCond and QUERY_STRING. I am trying to have index.php?title=foo and index.php?title=bar rewritten to just index.php. I currently have: RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} title=foo /// RewriteRule ^index.php /index.php? [L] |
| 21:02.34 | lewis2 | any ideas? |
| 21:02.59 | vlt | lewis2: /j apache? |
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| 21:03.21 | dropper | one last question, how do I remove the loops from the stick so I can umount it?? |
| 21:03.35 | vlt | dropper: losetup -d <device> |
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| 21:03.41 | dropper | gotit |
| 21:03.43 | dropper | thanks |
| 21:03.46 | lewis2 | vlt: no answer from them - you guys are smarter anyhow ;) |
| 21:04.14 | dropper | well thanks both of you and hope to see you at DebConf next year! |
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| 21:06.28 | peleg | Do you think it is dangerous to place password of ftp accounts on my disk? |
| 21:06.56 | roe_ | I think it is dangerous to run ftp |
| 21:06.58 | sgh | passwordprotect that as well with a masterpassword |
| 21:07.18 | peleg | roe_: well, I can agree with that; but I have no choice in this case |
| 21:07.52 | peleg | sgh: I am talking about saving bookmarks for lftp, I don't think I am able to protect it somehow (not a way that I know of, anyway) |
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| 21:10.12 | joltcan | peleg: gpg the passwords? |
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| 21:10.40 | peleg | joltcan: hmm? can I do such a thing with lftp bookmarks? |
| 21:11.31 | joltcan | peleg: No, not inside lftp. But if you save just the usernames with lftp bookmarks, then have the passwords in a separeate file and cut-n-paste them |
| 21:12.12 | peleg | joltcan: oh, sure; no problem doing that. just wondered if someone knows a better way. thanks! |
| 21:13.07 | joltcan | peleg: No. Only to stop using ftp :). There is nice plugins to both vim and emacs to edit a gpged file directly btw. Maybe something that could interest you to google at |
| 21:13.28 | peleg | joltcan: good to know, thanks! |
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| 21:15.16 | Sane | Whenever I do startx to go into my WM, the background is all screwey |
| 21:15.25 | Sane | it seems like its vibrating or something |
| 21:15.46 | Sane | when I open a terminal window fullscreen though, I dont see it, only on the background |
| 21:15.54 | Sane | any ideas on what might be causing this? |
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| 21:22.07 | julian_ | hi can somebody help me installing spamassassin on debian 4.0 and plesk? |
| 21:22.41 | joeytwiddle | Sane: try xsetroot -solid darkgreen |
| 21:23.05 | rjent | Greetings, what is the best authentication model to use on mixed platforms? |
| 21:24.56 | OpenTokix | rjent: ldap |
| 21:25.06 | OpenTokix | rjent: how mixed is it? |
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| 21:28.29 | rjent | OpenTokix: It is fairly mixed with mostly debian and some MSWindows |
| 21:28.44 | rjent | say 350 and 200+ |
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| 21:30.35 | trebor_home | i mean using just the console? |
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| 21:30.46 | joltcan | rjent: LDAP and samba then |
| 21:30.48 | nhuisman_work | is there a way to run a shell script but have it echo the commands it's running? |
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| 21:31.31 | trebor_home | (192.168.2.100 and 192.160.2.101 are in the same (w)lan) |
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| 21:31.50 | joltcan | rjent: ...and OpenTokix will gladly help you set it up |
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| 21:32.03 | flower | to make a debian package you do checkinstall right? |
| 21:32.12 | flower | should i do ./configure before make? |
| 21:32.25 | rjent | joltcan: I may take you up on that :) |
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| 21:32.50 | joltcan | hehe |
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| 21:33.16 | Tramp | nhuisman_work: -x (or man bash, search for xtrace) |
| 21:33.17 | rjent | joltcan: I currently just use etc/passwd+shadow, for windows I just use encrypted passwords = no |
| 21:33.23 | rjent | with samba |
| 21:33.25 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 21:33.45 | rjent | I have one ldap setup now and I am only luke warm with it |
| 21:33.59 | rjent | that is why I asked since curious if something better around |
| 21:34.03 | nhuisman_work | Tramp, k thanks |
| 21:34.22 | Tramp | nhuisman_work: yeah. but don't crosspost questions or people will stop helping you |
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| 21:35.26 | joltcan | rjent: LDAP is a pain to get your head around to start with, but when you have it installed it's a bless |
| 21:36.51 | rjent | joltcan: maybe I will install on my notebook and play more. Do you have any links I could get started with on pure debian? |
| 21:38.22 | joltcan | rjent: Not really, but http://www.nomis52.net/?section=docs&page=samldap seems to be ok |
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| 21:39.01 | nhuisman_work | Tramp, is it possible to set the xtrace option in the actual script? |
| 21:39.16 | nhuisman_work | like in the #!/bin/bash - x |
| 21:39.29 | Tramp | nhuisman_work: yes, using the "set" builtin |
| 21:39.39 | nhuisman_work | ah i see it now set -o xtrace |
| 21:39.57 | Tramp | nhuisman_work: yes (or even "set -x") |
| 21:40.02 | nhuisman_work | oh |
| 21:40.45 | nhuisman_work | hmm |
| 21:40.55 | nhuisman_work | wish it displayed more |
| 21:41.05 | nhuisman_work | i have some << tag pipes |
| 21:41.24 | nhuisman_work | cat << tag | command lots of input tag |
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| 21:41.26 | nhuisman_work | that kind |
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| 21:41.50 | amikrop | Hello. I just installed etch. How do I install nVidia drivers? |
| 21:42.02 | amikrop | # apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 21:42.04 | amikrop | did not work |
| 21:42.14 | Tramp | nhuisman_work: for a specific problem you may want to ask in #bash as well |
| 21:42.16 | amikrop | It said that there is no such package |
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| 21:42.23 | nhuisman_work | Tramp, k I'll ask there |
| 21:42.54 | amphi | !tell amikrop -about nvidia |
| 21:43.06 | amikrop | http://pastebin.com/m6b24c488 |
| 21:43.13 | e__ | amikrop: there are binary drivers directly from nvidia, look at there site or search via google "nvidia debian" |
| 21:43.14 | amikrop | This is my sources.list |
| 21:43.16 | amikrop | Is it OK? |
| 21:43.35 | amikrop | e__, I want those drivers |
| 21:43.40 | amikrop | But it says not found |
| 21:44.07 | e__ | amikrop: the are not included |
| 21:44.28 | amikrop | Aren't they a package? |
| 21:44.33 | amikrop | In the repositories? |
| 21:44.43 | amphi | amikrop: you probably want 'contrib nonfree' in the first line |
| 21:44.49 | e__ | amikrop: don't think so |
| 21:44.58 | amphi | first uncommented line, that is |
| 21:45.03 | amikrop | amphi, ok |
| 21:45.16 | amikrop | amphi, Do I need 'contrib nonfree' in every line? |
| 21:45.19 | Eulex | amikrop, they're included in etch, but it's an old version. what graphics card have you got? |
| 21:45.23 | amikrop | In the deb-src lines, as well? |
| 21:45.30 | amikrop | Eulex, GeForce 50... |
| 21:45.35 | amikrop | 50xx |
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| 21:46.32 | Eulex | amikrop, hmm, that is newer than geforce 3-class hardware, right? |
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| 21:46.42 | amikrop | Eulex, I don't know |
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| 21:46.53 | amikrop | Eulex, I used nvidia-glx-new in Ubuntu |
| 21:47.17 | e__ | does anyone have experience with update-grub? and no menu.lst existing |
| 21:48.29 | e__ | i'd like to create an initial menu.lst filled with all my installed kernels |
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| 21:49.46 | Eulex | amikrop, I believe the nvidia-glx in non-free in etch should support your card. |
| 21:51.01 | jelly | e__: so, what's the issue? |
| 21:51.47 | e__ | jelly: hm it does nothing when i run update-grub |
| 21:52.25 | e__ | the manual says it will create an initial menu.lst |
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| 21:54.05 | e__ | so i thought maybe it will help if i but an skeleton of an other menu.lst on it and then run update-grub |
| 21:54.17 | jelly | e__: which debian release are you using? |
| 21:54.19 | e__ | but this did'nt work too |
| 21:54.33 | e__ | jelly: i jsut upgradet to lenny |
| 21:54.42 | sgh | how do I use patch? |
| 21:54.49 | e__ | man patch |
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| 21:54.57 | sgh | I read that |
| 21:55.00 | jelly | e__: dpkg -l grub |tail -1 |
| 21:55.29 | e__ | 0.97-47 |
| 21:55.48 | e__ | sgh: what do you want do to with patch |
| 21:56.06 | sgh | patch the source of cpufreqd |
| 21:56.12 | sgh | with a .patch |
| 21:56.27 | jelly | e__: ok, but next time please do exactly what was asked |
| 21:56.32 | e__ | sgh: and it say it can't find the file? |
| 21:57.04 | sgh | e__: no, I tried patch < 'patchfile' while being in the dir of the source |
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| 21:57.59 | valdyn | sgh: usually patches include the dir of the source of the author, so use patch -p1 < patchfile |
| 21:58.00 | e__ | jelly: ja, but you should know the full situation, i was formally using lilo and now i want to use grub |
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| 21:58.18 | Kurlon | Afternoon all. Got an odd issue, have a box with /var/mail reporting it's mounted rw, but attempts to write to it result in an error that it's mounted read only? |
| 21:58.45 | jelly | e__: what are the current contents of /boot/grub ? |
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| 21:59.17 | e__ | jelly: default e2fs_stage1_5 jfs_stage1_5 minix_stage1_5 stage1 xfs_stage1_5 device.map fat_stage1_5 menu.lst reiserfs_stage1_5 stage2 |
| 21:59.29 | e__ | jelly: only the stage files |
| 21:59.31 | jelly | e__: you just said you didn't have a menu.lst |
| 21:59.32 | valdyn | Kurlon: what is about it in dmesg? |
| 22:00.12 | e__ | jelly: i could write my own menu.lst, but i like to use the debian auto-update mechanism |
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| 22:00.20 | Kurlon | Oh, nice, "attempt to access beyond end of device" |
| 22:00.34 | e__ | jelly: sorry that's my own written one |
| 22:00.47 | valdyn | Kurlon: so the fs is larger than the partition or the partition larger than the underlying dis |
| 22:00.53 | jelly | e__: yes well, move it away |
| 22:00.54 | Kurlon | I think I'm seeing what's going on now. Software raid, and I'm suspecting the raid size was setup larger than the provided media to allow for growth down the road? |
| 22:01.12 | e__ | jelly: i'm working on this issue now for one our or so :) |
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| 22:01.43 | e__ | jelly: done |
| 22:02.00 | jelly | e__: run update-grub now, pastebin the full output (if it fails) |
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| 22:03.27 | e__ | jelly: no pastebin needed :( : Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 22:03.39 | e__ | jelly: no menu.lst... |
| 22:03.44 | Kurlon | debian 2.0 box, software raid, and I don't have mdadm or lsraid? |
| 22:04.03 | jelly | e__: that's all, a single line? |
| 22:04.11 | e__ | jelly: jup |
| 22:04.14 | jelly | e__: what was its exit status? |
| 22:04.26 | e__ | jelly: 0 |
| 22:04.38 | e__ | jelly:; well done... argh |
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| 22:05.14 | e__ | jelly: it's a bash script |
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| 22:05.20 | jelly | I know. |
| 22:05.37 | steve_j | hi all - is there a version of rubygems 1.0+ for debian? |
| 22:05.45 | e__ | jelly: but too long to easily debug |
| 22:06.35 | jelly | e__: do you have any files matching /boot/vmlinuz-* at all? |
| 22:06.42 | e__ | jelly: its really strange, but i newer cared about this in debian cause it always worked |
| 22:06.52 | jelly | no, it likely doesn't even come that far |
| 22:07.09 | jelly | e__: dunno, pastebin bash -x /usr/sbin/update-grub ;-) |
| 22:07.43 | e__ | jelly: yes, 3 kernels are installed, debian standard kernels nothing special all with initrd |
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| 22:09.15 | e__ | jelly: i am working on an recovery system here |
| 22:09.29 | e__ | jelly: with a chroot |
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| 22:11.08 | jelly | e__: I'm away. For future reference, please do exactly what's asked; it may sound tedious but we don't know what your knowledge level is (ie. what you might be missing/ignoring) |
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| 22:12.10 | e__ | jelly: thanks a lot for your help |
| 22:12.28 | trebor_home | netcat is extremly cool! |
| 22:12.52 | jelly | e__: np, see you in an hour but I think you'll solve it before that |
| 22:12.56 | e__ | trebor_home: it's the swiss-armyknife |
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| 22:13.09 | amikrop | Hello. Why do I get this? |
| 22:13.10 | amikrop | # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 22:13.10 | e__ | jelly: i hope so |
| 22:13.10 | amikrop | Reading package lists... Done |
| 22:13.10 | amikrop | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 22:13.10 | amikrop | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 22:13.10 | amikrop | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 22:13.59 | moshii | mmm 404s coming out of all the debian mirrors Ive tried to update against |
| 22:14.09 | amikrop | Hello. Why do I get this? http://pastebin.com/m6917e0a9 |
| 22:14.19 | OpenTokix | moshii: did you do a apt-get update |
| 22:14.22 | simNIX | amikrop, on debain etch or lenny testing ? |
| 22:14.29 | amikrop | My sources.list has contrib and non-free in every url |
| 22:14.31 | amikrop | etch |
| 22:14.37 | simNIX | add backports |
| 22:14.37 | moshii | OpenTokix: yup |
| 22:14.54 | moshii | OpenTokix: 404 from uk, de, jp.. weirdness |
| 22:15.32 | amikrop | simNIX, how? |
| 22:15.37 | amikrop | !backports |
| 22:15.37 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 22:15.50 | OpenTokix | moshii: bisarr |
| 22:16.16 | amikrop | simNIX, How do I add backports? |
| 22:16.19 | moshii | OpenTokix: thing is, I can see the files are there if I browse them |
| 22:16.25 | simNIX | http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 22:16.30 | OpenTokix | moshii: very strange yes |
| 22:17.18 | moshii | OpenTokix: actaully, no something isnt right, the path seems to have changed |
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| 22:20.14 | moshii | weird, I've added /debian to the ends of all my mirrors and no its working, but its worked up until now without |
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| 22:20.59 | incubii | hi guys, where can i put a request in to have the australian debian mirror Internode added to the installer disk ? |
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| 22:21.23 | amikrop | simNIX, ok, thanks |
| 22:22.27 | magyar_ | anyone running debian on dl380? |
| 22:22.36 | simNIX | np |
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| 22:40.50 | wobster | Hi everyone. Having a celeron 430 cpu, what is the right kernel package? plain "amd64" or "amd64-p4"? |
| 22:41.14 | roe_ | for a celeron? |
| 22:41.25 | roe_ | i386 |
| 22:41.43 | wobster | no. the new ones are more or less x86-64 capable |
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| 22:42.11 | roe_ | 430 is the model number or speed? |
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| 22:42.15 | wobster | I actually have it currently running on the amd64 kernel but I have trouble with the thermal sensors |
| 22:42.19 | wobster | model id |
| 22:42.29 | roe_ | ah |
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| 22:43.24 | roe_ | do you want to run a 64-bit kernel? |
| 22:44.32 | wobster | actually. I don't care. it's a fileserver which will not be touched for months/years from setup. so I guess it's a decent choice since we are already at the 4gb barrier for budget ram |
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| 22:44.58 | wobster | anyway. irrelevant. do you have an answer or do I really have to test&fail now? ;) |
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| 22:46.22 | roe_ | nope, either will work not sure with is "right" - I have had issues with some packages on a 64-bit system though |
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| 22:46.44 | wobster | "right" is the one that doesn't break and have the sensors right |
| 22:47.04 | wobster | so, the packages differ only in their module support? |
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| 22:47.17 | kunwon1 | wobster, are you sure the sensors problem is related to your selection of kernel? |
| 22:47.26 | amikrop | Hello. How can I install the Human Theme, in Debian etch? |
| 22:47.28 | amikrop | !human |
| 22:47.28 | dpkg | i guess human is alive |
| 22:47.36 | amikrop | !human theme |
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| 22:47.44 | amikrop | !human-theme |
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| 22:48.09 | wobster | kunwon1, I do not see any other source. /proc/acpi is basically empty. and this cpu is surely too new to not have at least thermal info |
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| 22:48.42 | roe_ | maybe it is too new for linux to have support for the sensors |
| 22:48.45 | wobster | plus I see strange kernel messages upon booting |
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| 22:49.21 | wobster | ill try the p4 image |
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| 22:50.08 | roe_ | wobster, looks like intel coretemp is supported in 2.6.22 and newer |
| 22:50.17 | hatter | i use my debian box to do an nmap scan, nmap -sP 10.0.0.0/24 , to show the windows boxes inside the network, one of the windows boxes is not showing up to the scan , but is to a ping , how would it not be found ? |
| 22:50.18 | wobster | oh. wait. what's etchnhalf? |
| 22:50.34 | roe_ | not sure |
| 22:50.49 | kunwon1 | !etchnhalf |
| 22:50.49 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 22:50.54 | kunwon1 | wobster^ |
| 22:51.19 | roe_ | uname -a will tell you what you're running |
| 22:51.39 | wobster | ah. that might be the right one. otherwise I would have considered lenny. |
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| 22:55.05 | LikeVinyl | hi everyone... |
| 22:55.16 | LikeVinyl | Ayelen from Argentina was here? |
| 22:55.17 | LikeVinyl | _ |
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| 22:56.36 | LikeVinyl | toronto furniture stinkz |
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| 22:58.40 | SnoFox | How can I manually add a launcher in the system menu (Applications -> Programming)? I'm using some programs that aren't from Synaptic, and I don't get a launcher. :\ |
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| 23:01.09 | Aggro_ | SnoFox: Right click Applications-text and select Edit Menus |
| 23:01.30 | Aggro_ | Go to Programming and click New Item |
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| 23:01.39 | SnoFox | Woo! Thanks! ^.^ |
| 23:01.49 | SnoFox | No more symlinks on my desktop. ^.^ |
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| 23:02.22 | stoned | uhm |
| 23:02.26 | LamerC | Hello. I'm trying to update/install some packages usng apt-get. During apt-get update I get an Err 404 not found http://ftp.debina.org/... |
| 23:02.30 | amikrop | I follwed thiese instructions, and failed: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:02.34 | amikrop | To install compiz. |
| 23:02.36 | amikrop | !compiz |
| 23:02.37 | dpkg | methinks compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:03.01 | epsilon | LamerC: did you run apt-get update? |
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| 23:03.20 | LamerC | But when I check the site in a browser, I can access http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable just fine |
| 23:03.22 | Aggro_ | LamerC: debina.org? |
| 23:03.28 | epsilon | beside than, check spell |
| 23:03.43 | yak | how that 'dpkg' works here/ |
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| 23:03.52 | LamerC | I spelled wrong, I mean debian |
| 23:04.17 | amikrop | Actually, the metacity closed, but nothing appeared. |
| 23:04.25 | amikrop | My windows were left without frames. |
| 23:04.36 | amikrop | after running "compiz --replace". |
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| 23:05.31 | epsilon | that issue sounds similiar, I had that one on gentoo... ask on #compiz or google |
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| 23:05.44 | LamerC | http://pastebin.com/m6dd3467f |
| 23:05.44 | SnoFox | amikrop, I don't know if anyone here would help much with Compiz. I had that problem yesterday, in fact, and #Compiz helped me. |
| 23:05.57 | LamerC | Spaces are because of spam filter, but that is the error I'm getting |
| 23:06.18 | amikrop | SnoFox, ij, thanks |
| 23:07.09 | epsilon | LamerC: post your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:07.14 | amphi | amikrop: is compiz running? if so, start a decorator (gtk-window-decorator for example) |
| 23:07.21 | LamerC | I don't know if this may be it, but when I checked http://ftp.debian.org/ there is not a 'dists' directory, only 'debian/dists', but apt-get is trying to fetch /dists/stable' |
| 23:07.34 | SnoFox | Ooh, amphi! Hi. :P |
| 23:07.42 | amikrop | amphi, can I run emerald? |
| 23:07.52 | SnoFox | amikrop, that's what I had to use. |
| 23:08.00 | amphi | amikrop: if you have it |
| 23:08.07 | amphi | amikrop: are you on stable? |
| 23:08.17 | LamerC | http://pastebin.com/m38f41ba6 |
| 23:08.21 | LamerC | sources.list |
| 23:08.54 | amphi | hi SnoFox |
| 23:09.09 | amikrop | amphi, I can't. Everything freezes. |
| 23:09.23 | amphi | heh |
| 23:09.34 | epsilon | LamerC: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 23:09.47 | epsilon | "debian/" is missing in your conf |
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| 23:10.01 | LamerC | hmm, okay. I'll do that, but it has been working perfectly fine up until today. |
| 23:10.35 | epsilon | then apt-get update (and you shouldn't get any 404 error here) |
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| 23:11.04 | Grunt | I'm installing Debian on a brand new laptop. It seems to work, but the hotkey for Wifi doesn't: I got message from "atkbd.c" |
| 23:11.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't there some howto on replacing another distribution with debian mentioned here sometime? |
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| 23:11.54 | epsilon | hotkey is some custom stuff, if no one wrote the support it won't work :/ |
| 23:12.33 | amphi | Grunt: you can't enable the wireless? |
| 23:12.39 | Grunt | amphi: Exact. |
| 23:12.40 | epsilon | but in many case wifi will be auto-activated... tried to install driver? |
| 23:12.43 | LamerC | Okay It works now. |
| 23:12.51 | amphi | !tell grunt -about laptop |
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| 23:13.14 | Grunt | Driver should be installed, the kernel is 2.6.24 and should use Intel driver |
| 23:13.15 | LamerC | Just out of curiosity why was this changed? |
| 23:13.45 | amphi | Grunt: you have the firmware? what is the card? |
| 23:13.56 | epsilon | LamerC: dunno, maybe the server deleted symbolic link? |
| 23:14.03 | Grunt | The wifi chipset is 3945AB |
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| 23:14.09 | LamerC | ok, thanks |
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| 23:14.16 | lvh | no wonder i couldnt access my printer |
| 23:14.21 | lvh | 83.101.62.190 |
| 23:14.25 | lvh | it stole my wan ip |
| 23:14.41 | lvh | (yes, I made sure you cant print anymore first) |
| 23:15.24 | amphi | 3945ABG I expect ;) |
| 23:15.56 | Grunt | amphi: yes ;) |
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| 23:15.57 | amphi | Grunt: what kernel are you running there? |
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| 23:16.32 | Grunt | It was 2.6.24, I am know rebooting to use 2.6.26 |
| 23:16.51 | Grunt | upgraded from Etch-and-half to Lenny |
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| 23:17.31 | e__ | short question to the wrong channel, but anyway: what does a function in a bash script return is there nor return statement |
| 23:17.35 | SnoFox | Great. What do I do with a .bin file? (Trying to install Java JRE) |
| 23:17.37 | Grunt | woaw, it says "could not read microcode", WTF |
| 23:18.04 | e__ | sh ....bin may do the right |
| 23:18.18 | SnoFox | As root, e__? |
| 23:18.34 | SnoFox | Well, being it's an installer... and from a valid source, root won't be harmful. |
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| 23:18.37 | SnoFox | nvm's |
| 23:18.58 | amphi | !tell Grunt -about iwl3945 |
| 23:19.02 | e__ | snofox: if you think so go on |
| 23:19.12 | Caelum | do you need to give cdrecord any special options for a bootable cd? |
| 23:19.18 | SnoFox | It's Sun Java. :P I know it's safe. |
| 23:19.43 | SnoFox | And necessary when unpacked in /etc/ |
| 23:19.58 | Grunt | amphi: fu**, there is a proprietary blob too.. (I thank that Intel wifi drivers were totaly free) |
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| 23:20.11 | amphi | Grunt: fw blobbery :( |
| 23:20.17 | Grunt | Is there a wifi chipset using only open source software, btw? |
| 23:20.20 | e__ | snofox: there are nice java packages comming with debian contrib or non-free |
| 23:20.37 | e__ | sun-java6... |
| 23:20.43 | amphi | Grunt: in all intel wireless drivers - at least you don't have the 'regulatory daemon' for that card any more |
| 23:21.08 | amphi | Grunt: ralink, at least the 2500, the only one I've played with |
| 23:21.22 | amphi | !wireless |
| 23:21.23 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <madwifi>; Atmel: <at76_usb>; Broadcom: <bcm43xx>, <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <ipw3945>, <iwlagn>; Ralink: <rt2x00>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zd1211rw>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 23:21.42 | Caelum | err, do I need to load some module to burn cds? |
| 23:22.10 | Grunt | Ho yes, the rt2500, right. |
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| 23:23.12 | Laeborg | hi |
| 23:23.39 | Laeborg | any way that i can get my server to automatic startup vnc4server under the 'seedbox' user on system startup ? |
| 23:24.23 | Grunt | Hey, ifconfig -a shows a Wifi. thx, amphi ! |
| 23:24.31 | e__ | jelly: back again? |
| 23:24.58 | amphi | Grunt: good-oh |
| 23:24.59 | Caelum | never mind, had to run it as root |
| 23:25.34 | amphi | Grunt: with that driver, you'll have to bring up the iface with ifconfig before iwlist scan will work, by the way |
| 23:25.59 | amphi | Grunt: something to do with mac80211, I believe |
| 23:26.04 | epsilon | Laeborg: write an init.d script |
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| 23:27.26 | e__ | g8t |
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| 23:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | wasn't there some howto on replacing another distribution with debian? |
| 23:33.07 | Ian_Daniher|xo | anyone know of a decent maze generator? |
| 23:34.09 | amphi | !debtakeover |
| 23:34.09 | dpkg | [debtakeover] Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 23:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har, thanks |
| 23:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | woody, though doesn't sound very up-to-date |
| 23:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, ever tried it? |
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| 23:35.42 | mib | hi |
| 23:36.06 | mib | anyone use gcc before? |
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| 23:37.05 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: no, no need ;) |
| 23:37.15 | amphi | !anyone use gcc |
| 23:37.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses gcc, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | we all use Visual C |
| 23:37.49 | dustybin | is there a such thing as a terminal based music player what is capable of playing FLAC ? |
| 23:38.04 | epsilon | mplayer? |
| 23:38.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure mplayer can run without X |
| 23:38.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | never tried that really |
| 23:38.24 | dustybin | epsilon: i mean one what has a interface, ncurses |
| 23:38.35 | dustybin | ill see if moc does |
| 23:38.58 | epsilon | uff, console interface? never searched for one... |
| 23:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon, hey, you're right, it's sensible and indeed can play stuff without DISPLAY being set |
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| 23:39.53 | dustybin | i think moc can :D |
| 23:39.56 | dustybin | tests |
| 23:40.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 23:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache rdepends libflac8"? |
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| 23:41.57 | dustybin | it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:43.09 | mib | im finding way to deinfe multiple header files using gcc command |
| 23:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, the debtakeover README still shows a date of 2004 |
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| 23:44.27 | Elite | Is debian a livecd? |
| 23:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 23:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !livecd |
| 23:45.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends.Debian may one day have its own LiveCD: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:45.39 | gimzo | Hi. I have Debian Lenny on AMD64 and having problems compiling (trying to build amarok) because of mysql and -fPIC. Is there a way around this without building mysql from source? |
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| 23:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you compile anyways? there's a package available... |
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| 23:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, how did you try to compile it? |
| 23:47.20 | gimzo | I'm trying to built from svn |
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| 23:47.54 | yak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions amarok |
| 23:47.56 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: amarok -- etch: 1.4.4-4 lenny: 1.4.10-1 sid: 1.4.10-1 experimental: 1.94-1 |
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| 23:48.18 | dana_good | gimzo: i'd try in #amarok or if there's a dev channel in there |
| 23:48.27 | gimzo | They sent me here :) |
| 23:48.30 | dana_good | ha |
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| 23:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | the best way to do it would be probably to do "apt-get build-depends amarok" and "apt-get -b source amarok" (possibly with the experimental package) |
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| 23:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | which will re-build the package that's currently in the repro -either the unstable one or the experimental one |
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| 23:49.49 | Elite | Does anyone here ever use pfssense? |
| 23:49.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | when you see that that works, you can switch the source to svn (or update from the svn repro?), I guess |
| 23:50.10 | gimzo | I think amarok in repos doesn't use mysql, but amarok 2 requires it |
| 23:50.27 | gimzo | I did build amarok 1.4.10 fine |
| 23:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | and build it again using dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | what about the experimental 1.94-1 version? |
| 23:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 23:50.51 | gimzo | I'll take a look at it |
| 23:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually that's weird |
| 23:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | because I know my etch or lenny amarok used/uses a mysql database... |
| 23:51.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I stumbled over the database when checking what mysql databases exist |
| 23:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it's definitely not true that the ones in the repros don't use it |
| 23:52.03 | gimzo | ok |
| 23:52.22 | gimzo | but amarok 1.4 doesn't require it so I built it without it |
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| 23:54.05 | gimzo | I'll probably build mysql from source and then amarok |
| 23:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, funny indeed - dependencies show libmysqlclient15off and libsqlite3-0 |
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| 23:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the build-depdens require libmysqlclient15-dev |
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| 23:57.38 | jelly-home | gimzo: are you running debian? |
| 23:57.43 | gimzo | yes |
| 23:57.50 | jelly-home | building mysql from source is weird. |
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| 23:58.10 | gimzo | I agree |
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| 23:58.27 | jelly-home | so don't :-> |
| 23:58.55 | gimzo | I don't see any other way how to build amarok svn |
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| 23:59.27 | jelly-home | !info amarok experimental |
| 23:59.35 | dpkg | amarok: (easy to use media player based on the KDE 4 technology platform), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.94-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 9950 kB, Installed size: 29456 kB |
| 23:59.43 | hmann | everyone who reads this is stupid |
