| 00:00.18 | hatter | mount a directory with nfs, or scp it to another box on the network |
| 00:00.18 | rhineheart_m | actually I'll be cloning/migrating the system files as well as the /home directory except for some dirs |
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| 00:01.41 | hatter | rhineheart_m, you can do whatever you like. you can use tar to clone the box then untar it in a chroot |
| 00:01.49 | mker | I'm installing Debian and I chose "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM". This is what it looks like when I get to finish partitioning http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8559/screenshotdebian50runniyn1.png . Now I'm a little confused, is *everything* encrypted there? Swap too? |
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| 00:03.14 | xxgodsmackxx321 | http://www.prizerebel.com/index.php?r=631161 |
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| 00:04.55 | m0zzzy | hi |
| 00:05.24 | m0zzzy | wanted to ask about serial communication configuration for heartbeat2. What kind of cable do I need for that? |
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| 00:07.28 | chomwitt | my dvd-driver specs say its support dvd+rw, but my lenny system sees a blank disk. |
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| 00:08.35 | logd | hi how to "copy2 a kernel ? mean i've a debian4 r0installation fully functional with kernel 2.6.22-9 customized by - it works very good ---- now i'm planning to move the kernel to a new installation on a second disk where i've just installed a brand new debian4 r5 with xfce and ll settup opts left standard - now what to copy ? then kernelimage the initrd then ? |
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| 00:16.04 | ceil420 | feckin gnome >< |
| 00:16.24 | ceil420 | dunno what bit i left out that got autoremoved, but it disconnected me, and i'm retarded so i had to restart to get it back |
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| 00:16.27 | ceil420 | :( |
| 00:16.57 | hackeron | hey, I have a smartd question - every hour, for the last 6 months or so, smartd writes to syslog /dev/sdc, 4 currently unreadable (pending) sectors -- The hard drive seems ok, I bought a replacement but it's on a raid5, I will wait for it to fail first, but how do I tell smartd I've seen the messages and stop them being repeated? |
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| 00:18.52 | Doonz | can someone recommend a ver novice ftp server to use. I want gui as well |
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| 00:19.43 | logd | hi how to "copy2 a kernel ? mean i've a debian4 r0installation fully functional with kernel 2.6.22-9 customized by - it works very good ---- now i'm planning to move the kernel to a new installation on a second disk where i've just installed a brand new debian4 r5 with xfce and ll settup opts left standard - now what to copy ? then kernelimage the initrd then ? |
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| 00:20.35 | logd | magnetron, now what's your excuse ? |
| 00:21.03 | Doitle2 | wow the debian install is really easy |
| 00:21.35 | Doitle2 | the only distro of Linux I'd ever used before was Ubuntu and I was expecting a more real distribution to be hard to install but it wasn't really any harder. Just less fancy graphics |
| 00:21.37 | ceil420 | Doitle2, even the 'Expert install' is easy :p |
| 00:21.44 | ceil420 | same here :) |
| 00:21.54 | ceil420 | i was a bit apprehensive at first, but it was much easier than i thought it would be |
| 00:22.07 | ceil420 | and i liked that you get more choice with it |
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| 00:22.20 | Doitle2 | I was hoping to eventually attempt the LFS process |
| 00:22.27 | mker | Doitle2: yeah it was easy back in etch too. I thought Debian and Ubuntu were pretty much the same. |
| 00:22.34 | ceil420 | i've taken to doing a base install and apt-getting everything (including a window manager) from there :p |
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| 00:22.43 | Doitle2 | and use Debian as the host OS to build it from so I wanted to get some experience in vmware before I get my server up and running and actually attempt it on there |
| 00:23.09 | Doonz | can someone recommend a very novice ftp server to use. I want gui as well |
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| 00:25.14 | Doitle2 | woo and I'm in debian |
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| 00:32.37 | pipeline | Doonz: no ftp server is likely to have a GUI included. FTP is a bad idea anyway; use SFTP. (FTP over SSH) |
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| 00:34.35 | starke | hello all |
| 00:34.49 | starke | im trying to figure out how to install flash |
| 00:35.36 | starke | but the offical installer wont let me put in my mozilla directory it keeps saying its invalid |
| 00:36.20 | themill | dpkg: tell starke about adobe flash |
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| 00:44.37 | arisv | hello again. here it is, the problem exists: http://pastebin.com/m5cf1e381 |
| 00:44.40 | onur | Hi. Can i delete all packages except base system packages? |
| 00:44.59 | arisv | even though, zd1211b_ub is already in /usr/lib/zd1211 as README said |
| 00:45.08 | arisv | :( |
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| 00:47.54 | superlinux | hi |
| 00:48.20 | superlinux | how can i list only the PID's using ps? |
| 00:48.27 | superlinux | i just want the numbers |
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| 00:49.45 | arisv | anyone? |
| 00:49.47 | themill | superlinux: man ps, look at the -o option |
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| 00:50.55 | superlinux | ok |
| 00:51.03 | superlinux | themill, 10x |
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| 00:52.49 | hatter | what one line command can i use to determine default gw ? |
| 00:53.19 | superlinux | themill, it had to be ps ax -o pid |
| 00:54.15 | superlinux | i am trying to isolate one process to be on one CPU of my four CPUs |
| 00:54.27 | themill | superlinux: that should work nicely. use "pid=" rather than just "pid" to elimiate the header line. |
| 00:54.51 | superlinux | ok bro thanks |
| 00:55.11 | superlinux | schedtool will be my CPU affinity tool |
| 00:55.20 | amphi | hatter: "route -n | grep '^0.0.0.0'" should do |
| 00:57.27 | hatter | amphi, thx, the output of that is this : 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 00:58.26 | hatter | if i do this : ip route show | grep default | awk '{ print $3}' |
| 00:58.36 | hatter | i get ppp0 instead of the ip address |
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| 00:59.45 | kdubois | i want to do a base install of debian sid, but need to use a usb drive as installation medium. is there some tutorial around on how to do that? |
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| 01:03.52 | Doitle2 | Wow I have no idea how to do anything in Debian... Time to bone up on some linux knowhow... |
| 01:04.25 | e81 | wow indeed. |
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| 01:05.23 | hatter | how about this : ifconfig ppp0 | grep 'P-t-P' to show only the ip address after p-t-p ? |
| 01:06.24 | onur | I have a question. Why should i install a mta in etch? |
| 01:06.27 | zinx | hatter: ifconfig ppp0 | awk '/P-t-P/{ print $? }' where i don't actually know what ? is offhand, it's a number :P |
| 01:06.54 | zinx | oh nevermind, it's got a : there |
| 01:07.02 | holdemnuts | I was wondering if any of you could provide your experiences with testing and unstable? I want some of the more recent DE software, but my only Deb experience is with stable. How less stable is 'testing'? |
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| 01:07.46 | kdubois | where can i get a base install image? i cant seem to navigate debian.org very well... |
| 01:08.40 | superlinux | themill, do u want the script when i finish it? |
| 01:09.02 | holdemnuts | kdubois: i'm not sure why you're having rouble... the site is pretty nicely laid out - do to download, choose your architecture, choose your mirror... not much more to it than that |
| 01:09.13 | hatter | zinx, hmm, the '?' gives me a syntax error |
| 01:09.26 | zinx | hatter: ifconfig ppp0 | sed -ne 's/.*P-t-P:\([^ ]*\).*/\1/p' will do in a pinch, but it's a bit inefficient |
| 01:09.41 | hatter | zinx, inefficient doesnt matter :) |
| 01:10.01 | holdemnuts | Q: any of ya'll run testing in here? and if so... when was the last time your system borked on update? |
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| 01:10.59 | hatter | zinx, that worked, thx :) |
| 01:11.12 | teratoma_ | testing is pretty good, except when it isnt |
| 01:11.13 | kdubois | holdemnuts: i'm looking for the smallest installer for sid, and trying to put it on a usb stick... |
| 01:11.18 | teratoma_ | do you have any other really general questions |
| 01:11.33 | holdemnuts | just get a netinstall disc |
| 01:11.44 | holdemnuts | the .iso's are less than 100mb |
| 01:11.54 | holdemnuts | look for the 'business card' iso |
| 01:12.16 | zinx | USB sticks are larger than CDs these days... |
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| 01:15.27 | holdemnuts | kdubois: go here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 01:16.05 | kdubois | i'll give it a try, my bigger issue is that i dont exactly know how to put it on the usb |
| 01:16.15 | holdemnuts | kdubois: what do you mean? |
| 01:16.16 | mker | I'm installing Debian and I chose "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM". This is what it looks like when I get to finish partitioning http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8559/screenshotdebian50runniyn1.png . Now I'm a little confused, is *everything* encrypted there? Swap too? |
| 01:16.46 | holdemnuts | kdubois: you mount the .iso and then copy the contents over to the USB stick |
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| 01:18.36 | kdubois | holdemnuts: and that just works? |
| 01:19.32 | holdemnuts | kdubois: well i've never tried it myself... but I can't see why it wouldn't work--assuming your bios can boot a USB stick |
| 01:20.21 | mker | this (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en) makes it seem a little more complicated |
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| 01:21.11 | holdemnuts | mker: sorry... i have no experience with encryption |
| 01:22.04 | mker | holdemnuts: that's alright, I'm not in a hurry, just trying lenny out in virtualbox |
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| 01:29.48 | alarm- | hello, i would like some of your english knowledge please :) what would be the correct one (if we would talk about tags in a video file) "Search within multimedia file" or "Search inside a multimedia file" ? |
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| 01:31.07 | arisv | anyone over there? |
| 01:31.26 | arisv | check out this please: http://pastebin.com/m317507f0 |
| 01:31.52 | holdemnuts | "Search within 'a' multimedia file" or "Searching inside a multimedia file" |
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| 01:32.14 | holdemnuts | both are correct if you add the 'a' (an article) to the first phrase |
| 01:32.22 | alarm- | okie, thank you :) |
| 01:32.39 | alarm- | now i can continue with that research paper :) |
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| 01:33.04 | holdemnuts | you're welcome - the problem with english is that there are so many ways to say the same thing - not to mention the language itself is imprecise |
| 01:34.06 | arisv | anybody? |
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| 01:37.46 | stoned | hello |
| 01:37.54 | stoned | Whats going on in the world of #debian!? |
| 01:38.17 | arisv | stoned: everything under control.. apart from the zd1211 module :p can you help me? |
| 01:38.19 | zinx | we're still not a social channel! pretty amazing, eh? |
| 01:38.44 | stoned | zinx, yes |
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| 01:38.59 | stoned | zinx, read my question again. |
| 01:39.08 | stoned | zinx, my question was not social in nature. |
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| 01:39.46 | stoned | (note: specifically #debian, not Debian) |
| 01:39.48 | stoned | ;) |
| 01:40.27 | zinx | ok, normally i'd just ignore what you just said, but it's pretty quiet in here |
| 01:40.50 | zinx | so, that's precisely *WHY* it was a social question. this channel is about Debian, not #debian. |
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| 01:41.05 | stevedondley | bad economic times, everyone has been laid off |
| 01:41.08 | zinx | specificly, helping with Debian problems. |
| 01:41.16 | stoned | zinx, you are preaching to the choice |
| 01:41.28 | stoned | you're also making a huge deal out of nothing except a simple greeting of sorts |
| 01:41.43 | stoned | go right ahead... I'm done discussing this |
| 01:41.43 | zinx | if everyone who joined greeted on join, it would be busy even now ;) |
| 01:41.51 | stoned | zinx, well I'm not everybody |
| 01:41.56 | stoned | wtf is the problem here bro? |
| 01:42.04 | stoned | ... |
| 01:42.05 | zinx | (and this is why i'd normally have dropped it) |
| 01:42.12 | stoned | then you should have |
| 01:42.14 | stoned | :) |
| 01:42.35 | zinx | hey, like i said, it's quiet. i may have failed to mention i was bored. |
| 01:42.39 | stoned | oh |
| 01:42.42 | stoned | well in that case |
| 01:42.45 | stoned | #debian-chat |
| 01:42.51 | zinx | ;) |
| 01:42.52 | stoned | I'm bored and free(just got home)( |
| 01:42.55 | stoned | come chit chat with me bro |
| 01:42.58 | stoned | :) |
| 01:43.09 | zinx | i'm always scared i'm going to hit the channel limit again |
| 01:43.13 | stoned | heh |
| 01:43.16 | stoned | you'll be alright |
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| 01:43.21 | zinx | i know, i have +u these days |
| 01:43.30 | stoned | who did you get to give you that? |
| 01:43.39 | stoned | isn't +u like past 20 chan limit? |
| 01:43.42 | zinx | yeah |
| 01:43.59 | zinx | i had to drop a few channels i should probably rejoin |
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| 01:44.59 | lfaraone_ | Hi, I keep on getting error messages about my locale being invalid. I've already run locale-gen and reconfigured locale. http://pastebin.ca/1254906 |
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| 01:46.27 | stoned | en_US.UTF-8...cannot map archive header: Invalid argument |
| 01:46.51 | stoned | hm |
| 01:47.02 | stoned | I've never heard that error before and google returns nothing |
| 01:48.31 | lfaraone_ | stoned, and http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22cannot+map+archive+header%3A+Invalid+argument%22 is less than encouraging (even after removing some leading terms) |
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| 01:49.12 | stoned | heh |
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| 01:52.17 | linguini | I'm concerned about the order of initialization on my machine. I think the network comes up /too late/. Any recommendations? |
| 01:52.40 | Lagbolt | anyone have a problem with making kernel headers with make-kpgk? i use it to make a deb for linux-image and linux-headers and when i install the image it puts source links pointing to the source tree. if i remove the source no prob but the kernel headers install but do not put the links in the /lib/module/2.#.## dir |
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| 01:56.40 | teratoma_ | hi what are my device names in /dev then? http://pastebin.com/m6e159dbd |
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| 01:57.37 | zinx | teratoma_: /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:07.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 or similar, most likely |
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| 01:57.53 | zinx | teratoma_: you may perhaps be looking in the wrong place to find the information you desire |
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| 01:58.06 | teratoma_ | zinx: im trying to figure out what i should give smartmon tools |
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| 01:58.39 | zinx | teratoma_: there's also /dev/disk/by-id /dev/disk/by-label and dmesg will tell you which /dev/sd* it is as well |
| 01:59.12 | kaimerra | can anyone help me with update-manager, I'm getting an error 'current dist not found in meta-release file' |
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| 02:05.05 | cast | hopefully, using the magic of lvm, ill be able to migrate from / reiserfs to ext3 with a single reboot |
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| 02:05.38 | zinx | i too hope you will be liberated from the fiery depths of hell, cast |
| 02:06.24 | cast | knowing my luck this wont fix my selinux message on boot but oh well |
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| 02:06.29 | cast | +error |
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| 02:08.31 | linuxhelp_de | hello@all |
| 02:09.15 | linuxhelp_de | does anyone knows correct xserver-xorg setting on lenny for intel 82830 grafics? |
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| 02:10.05 | linuxhelp_de | on a Thinkpad x30 with onboard chip |
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| 02:13.03 | cast | nabec:/mnt# cp -r rootsnapshot/* rootext3/ |
| 02:13.24 | linguini | Is there some way to make init report the scripts it is executing? |
| 02:14.04 | cast | i think that'll work for moving my debian install :) |
| 02:14.16 | cast | cp -a even! |
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| 02:15.12 | amphi | linuxhelp_de: thinkwiki.org perhaps, or linux-laptop.net |
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| 02:16.29 | nxmehta | in /etc/syslog.conf, what does the '-' before a log file mean? i don't understand what the manpage means |
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| 02:17.13 | nxmehta | i have the '-' before some files and those log files are staying empty? |
| 02:17.29 | amphi | nxmehta: - means don't write synchronously, if I recall correctly |
| 02:18.01 | nxmehta | amphi: does that mean that writes are buffered? when do they get written? |
| 02:18.20 | PathagenX | Random question: I am trying to figure out if the person who packaged JWM for Sid, based the theme on any gtk theme that I can grab and match. |
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| 02:19.20 | amphi | nxmehta: "You may prefix each entry with the minus ââ-ââ sign to omit syncing the file after every logging. Note that you might lose information if the system crashes right behind a write attempt. Nevertheless this might give you back some performance [...]" quoth man syslog.conf |
| 02:19.22 | PathagenX | Async buffers are usually written whenever the 'server' or 'client' thinks it is best. |
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| 02:22.02 | nxmehta | hmm ok, but i can probably assume that the server is not going to wait *days* to write to the file |
| 02:22.15 | nxmehta | maybe i should just restart syslog |
| 02:22.38 | segers_j | quick question: do child processes inherit their parent's niceness? |
| 02:22.56 | PathagenX | yea sync is best, if you want reliability. Async can be interrupted. |
| 02:23.18 | PathagenX | niceness? |
| 02:23.36 | Doitle2 | Wow... When I said I couldnt do anything in debian before, it was because since I didnt do any of the additional package downloads and installs and I was installing from the tiny net install cd, it literally had nothing installed. Just dumped me to a shell prompt |
| 02:24.39 | segers_j | PathagenX: as set with the renice util controls the amount of processor time the kernel allots to a program and when. |
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| 02:25.14 | Lagbolt | Doitle2, did you read about netinstall before you used it? if you did you might not have had to wonder :-p |
| 02:25.15 | PathagenX | Oh |
| 02:25.35 | PathagenX | if it is a thred: Yes. If it is forked.. Not sure. |
| 02:26.22 | PathagenX | The theory can go either way. |
| 02:26.40 | Doitle2 | I did, but the I didn't know Debian would normally install X windows and things. |
| 02:26.48 | PathagenX | Better to find the nice homepage and look for contact info so you can ask them how it works. |
| 02:26.58 | Doitle2 | I just figured Debian was a terminal only (atleast initially) linux distrobution |
| 02:27.06 | Doitle2 | *distribution |
| 02:27.40 | Lagbolt | ugh |
| 02:27.41 | PathagenX | All Unix-type operating systems are of a terminal nature. XWindows is sort of a hack. |
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| 02:28.03 | Doitle2 | no no I understand that, I meant that I figured it was only terminal. I didnt know it would install a window manager and gui as well |
| 02:28.40 | cast | wonders what /bin/nuke in initrd is |
| 02:29.03 | segers_j | PathagenX: naah, I'll just spend a little time googling, I just thought somebody here might already know and be willing to save me the effort <shrug> guess my karma's not that good <g> |
| 02:29.11 | PathagenX | Don't touch that. It will blow up Russia. |
| 02:29.12 | Lagbolt | Doitle2, you must have just decided to install an OS without any forethought or research. |
| 02:30.12 | PathagenX | Lagbolt: It doesn't help to get pissy at someone when they are newbies. You'll just scare them back to doing things the old (wrong) way. |
| 02:30.29 | psilo2 | When upgrading several packages at once with 'apt-get upgrade', at least 2 configuration files seem to have been overwritten (cacti and phpmyadmin). In my experience you're usually given an option to Keep/Diff/Overwrite your configs in this situation |
| 02:31.02 | psilo2 | So my question is, is that Keep/Diff/Overwrite option *always* presented, or is it something a lax package maintainer could let slide, thus screwing my cacti configuration? |
| 02:31.11 | Lagbolt | PathagenX, i am not getting pissy, i am just trying to let him know that it is a good idea to read up a little before you go and do something. |
| 02:31.22 | PathagenX | He has a point though Doitle. Changing operating systems is not something you do without gaining atleast a little knowledge about what you are going to get and jumping on the Linux band wagon, just becuase everyone else is, isn't really a reason to do it. |
| 02:31.34 | Doitle2 | to an excent yes lagbolt |
| 02:31.59 | segers_j | fyi everyone, yes children do inherit their parent's niceness as of the time they were created. renicing the patent does nothing to the child's niceness |
| 02:32.03 | Doitle2 | I had used ubuntu in the past and I was talking to a friend about wanting to get back into learning about Unix/Linux and a friend said I should give Debian a try this time |
| 02:32.26 | segers_j | (if the child is already running) |
| 02:32.27 | PathagenX | If you want to explore Linux safely and enjoyably, it is usually reccomended these days to use Xubuntu. Some might say Ubuntu but Gnome is fail. |
| 02:32.50 | PathagenX | segers: Is that for threads or forks aswell? |
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| 02:33.56 | segers_j | dunno, the example was renicing bash then running progs using it. does that answer your question? |
| 02:34.11 | PathagenX | Debian is as an all-round the best distro out there. It is the trade-off of usabilaty and customizabilaty. But Ubuntu is a great stepping stone to Debian. |
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| 02:34.37 | PathagenX | Play with Ubuntu for a while and then swiutch to Debian when you start finding that Ubuntu hampers your experimentation. |
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| 02:34.56 | PathagenX | Thanks segers |
| 02:35.15 | squisher | hi everyone, is there a way to specify -j2 when I build a package with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
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| 02:36.09 | segers_j | Doitle2: stay away from unstable/sid unless you want to be shown how little you know about linux. Unstable lives up to its name. |
| 02:36.35 | segers_j | PathagenX: np |
| 02:36.45 | Doitle2 | I just got the latest stable build off the debian site. Nothing crazy that I know of |
| 02:37.11 | PathagenX | Lenny is your best bet, I think. |
| 02:37.38 | n3kl | Does anyone know what happens to a linux system if a hard drive locks up, or is removed, or dies? |
| 02:37.50 | PathagenX | imo, stable is too stable. Really only any use for restricted hardware and critical applications. |
| 02:38.08 | PathagenX | It will stop working |
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| 02:38.37 | n3kl | Like mouse and everythign will lock up? |
| 02:38.41 | segers_j | Doitle2: you may want to use testing stable is generally old and very stable |
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| 02:39.08 | PathagenX | it will usually sit there, waiting for the vfs to figure out something is wrong but any writes active will be lost |
| 02:39.21 | PathagenX | Testing is Lenny |
| 02:39.40 | segers_j | k |
| 02:39.58 | n3kl | Meh, I am just trying to figure out why my system totally locks up sometimes. When it does, the hard drive light is on solid, which makes me thing that it has to do with the harddrive? |
| 02:40.20 | PathagenX | not definitely but quite probably |
| 02:40.46 | n3kl | I have tested everything else, ram, cpu, power supply |
| 02:40.46 | segers_j | n3kl: probably means you're short on ram and it's swapping like mad to try to do what you told it to |
| 02:40.54 | PathagenX | It could just as much be your software's fault - The Hardrive getting locked waiting for something it expected that came out wrong or not atall. |
| 02:41.03 | n3kl | segers_j: I would agree, but I know thats not the case |
| 02:41.08 | segers_j | k |
| 02:41.09 | PathagenX | oh good point segers |
| 02:41.09 | Kealle | I just ran "pico /etc/debian_version file" and it said "4.0", is that etch? |
| 02:41.34 | n3kl | Kealle: yes |
| 02:41.36 | PathagenX | yea my laptop swaps like crazy but all it does is just run the HDD for a while. It doesn';t lock |
| 02:41.40 | Kealle | n3kl: thank you |
| 02:42.03 | n3kl | I have 2G of ram in this machine and its not doing much really, desktop apps |
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| 02:42.20 | holdemnuts | which image do you want for testing? just grab the normal netinstall disc and then change the apt sources? |
| 02:42.24 | PathagenX | If you have other cables, try them. If you have other HDDs try them aswell. The problam can be as minor as a dodgy cable or as dire as the onboard controller dieing. |
| 02:42.59 | PathagenX | holdemnuts: Lenny |
| 02:43.13 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: so you actually DL a specific image? |
| 02:43.36 | holdemnuts | i have a 4.0 stable netinstall image - i was hoping i could try a testing install without spending more time DL'ing |
| 02:43.38 | n3kl | you run badblocks on a device, not a partition, right? |
| 02:44.08 | segers_j | n3kl: did you check system.log and dmesg? |
| 02:44.19 | Wyzard | n3kl: either works |
| 02:44.37 | Wyzard | n3kl: "smartctl -t long /dev/foo" can give you a more thorough test though |
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| 02:45.02 | PathagenX | Holdemnuts: Either spend time downloading a bigger image or more time downloading the packages. |
| 02:45.24 | n3kl | Wyzard: says 75Mins, how am I notified of the resulting status? |
| 02:45.39 | Wyzard | n3kl: smartctl -l selftest /dev/foo |
| 02:45.40 | PathagenX | netinstall is the best though, as you get a perfectly current distro from the repo |
| 02:45.57 | Wyzard | n3kl: The 75 minutes is if the drive is idle -- you can use the drive normally but it'll make the test take longer |
| 02:46.02 | PathagenX | which doesn't count much for testing.. |
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| 02:46.15 | n3kl | Wyzard: Ahh, I have seen those options but never know how to use them, thanks |
| 02:46.32 | n3kl | segers_j: nothing in syslog to indicate a failure really |
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| 02:46.54 | segers_j | holdemnuts: if you've got stable installed already moving from stable to testing is fairly easy, one caveat, going back to stable is impossible without a full reinstall. |
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| 02:47.21 | PathagenX | Oh he already has stable installed? |
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| 02:47.39 | PathagenX | Hah. Just move the repos to Lenny and dist-upgrade. |
| 02:47.58 | segers_j | n3kl: ok, you're gonna need 5 live ckickens, a pewter bowl, some face paint, and a bowie knife... |
| 02:48.16 | holdemnuts | segers_j: i have stable on my server and arch on my desktop - i'm tired of arch borking and i wanted to see if lenny was more stable than arch, but not as old as stable for a desktop environment |
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| 02:48.29 | PathagenX | You forgot the Yew branch. |
| 02:48.36 | holdemnuts | segers_j: i don't want to upgrade stable to testing - just wanted to get away with not DL'ing and burning a new cd |
| 02:48.47 | holdemnuts | segers_j: but i've already grabbed a lenny netinst disc... |
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| 02:48.54 | n3kl | segers_j: done, now what? =] |
| 02:49.03 | PathagenX | the netinstall will be fine |
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| 02:49.08 | arisv | can sb check this problem? http://pastebin.com/m317507f0 |
| 02:49.10 | arisv | :) |
| 02:49.34 | PathagenX | just point apt to your local repos and and install it like it was a full CD. |
| 02:50.02 | PathagenX | The only difference between netinstall and a full release is on the full release, apt is pointed to your CD as a repo. |
| 02:50.20 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: that's what i thought... i'm not a noob to *nix... just interested how solid testing is in real life - I love arch, until it completely and utterly borks on me every 90 days or so |
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| 02:50.30 | segers_j | holdemnuts: there is one other choice you may not know about: stable with individual packages backported from lenny. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:50.46 | PathagenX | If you are moving from Arch, Sid may be better for you. |
| 02:51.00 | PathagenX | You Archers are hardly install and let it sit sorta guys, are you? |
| 02:51.21 | PathagenX | But Lenny is good. |
| 02:51.37 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: I wasn't a typical archer - the distro is 'usually' great - but packages get moved into their 'stable' repository way too fast... |
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| 02:52.39 | Piper69 | howdy |
| 02:52.46 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: what i really really don't want is to have to fix big issues on my desktop - hoping testing is good enough for that |
| 02:52.52 | PathagenX | Arch's package philosophy is horrible. |
| 02:53.03 | mttr | Ist there a MAPI solution in debian |
| 02:53.15 | PathagenX | indeed, Testing is great for that. |
| 02:53.29 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: and it's a shame because pacman is the best package manager ever... and the distro is blazing fast... but it needs some more structure |
| 02:53.37 | PathagenX | Stable is better for that but only if your computer is atleast three years old. |
| 02:54.05 | PathagenX | Don't quote me on that though. Many will disagree. |
| 02:54.12 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: my comp is pretty old - AMD Barton 3000+ NF2 mobo... |
| 02:54.22 | Piper69 | i was using cfdisk and fdisk yesterday to mount my second HDD , today when i reboot i was not able to get to the GRUB selection, instead i get Grub Error 17. i have a liveCD and i booted , but i don;t know how to fix my grub |
| 02:54.23 | PathagenX | Testing will suit that fine |
| 02:54.42 | holdemnuts | do you run sid or testing? |
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| 02:56.07 | holdemnuts | well anyways.. i'm off to install lenny... bb in a bit |
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| 02:59.56 | PathagenX | I am on Sid right now but I am waiting for my Lenny CD to be mailed. |
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| 03:00.42 | scales11 | anyone having issues with iceweasel? |
| 03:00.50 | scales11 | i install it on lenny and it wont start? |
| 03:00.51 | PathagenX | I am on Sid because I am still heavily experimenta..tive..ly.. |
| 03:01.25 | scales11 | i dont get it i type it in the terminal and i get nothing |
| 03:01.35 | PathagenX | first of all, scales: We are not psychic. Run uxterm for us and type iceweasal |
| 03:01.36 | scales11 | i click the icon from my menu, and same thing |
| 03:01.54 | scales11 | in terminal it doesnt return anything |
| 03:02.08 | PathagenX | does it just return to command? |
| 03:02.12 | scales11 | yes |
| 03:02.30 | scales11 | and you arent all psychic? i thought debian users were ;) |
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| 03:04.17 | PathagenX | try /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel-bin |
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| 03:04.51 | scales11 | there is no iceweasel-bin |
| 03:05.03 | scales11 | but there is an iceweasel and when i try that, same thing |
| 03:05.16 | scales11 | just returns to $ |
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| 03:05.47 | PathagenX | ok in console, cd to $HOME and type rm -r .mozilla |
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| 03:06.07 | PathagenX | then su and do the same |
| 03:07.15 | scales11 | ok |
| 03:07.27 | PathagenX | then (still as su) type apt-get purge iceweasel |
| 03:08.11 | scales11 | hang on a sec. as root, remove .mozilla from who's home? |
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| 03:08.40 | PathagenX | I said to remove it from user's home and then root's |
| 03:08.44 | scales11 | i dont see a mozilla file under root |
| 03:08.50 | PathagenX | ls -a |
| 03:08.56 | scales11 | nope |
| 03:09.01 | scales11 | cd /root/ |
| 03:09.07 | scales11 | and there is no .mozilla |
| 03:09.12 | PathagenX | okies |
| 03:09.23 | PathagenX | apt-get purge iceweasel |
| 03:09.30 | scales11 | k |
| 03:09.46 | PathagenX | ignore the warnings about being unable to delete non-empty directories |
| 03:10.03 | scales11 | i didnt have any.... |
| 03:10.06 | scales11 | but done |
| 03:10.17 | PathagenX | no warnings? hmm |
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| 03:10.37 | PathagenX | well in that case, rm -r /usr/lib/iceweasel* |
| 03:11.13 | scales11 | doesnt exist |
| 03:12.11 | PathagenX | very well |
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| 03:12.20 | PathagenX | now apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 03:12.24 | scales11 | k |
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| 03:12.52 | scales11 | now shall i click the icon or try it from terminal |
| 03:12.56 | alterityofself | hello! |
| 03:12.58 | PathagenX | terminal |
| 03:13.07 | PathagenX | hopefully we will get atleast a message this time |
| 03:13.14 | n3kl | whats a terminal? |
| 03:13.18 | scales11 | and now it works! |
| 03:13.19 | scales11 | weird |
| 03:13.24 | n3kl | heh |
| 03:13.25 | PathagenX | little window that you type commands into |
| 03:13.30 | segers_j_ | n3kl: command line display |
| 03:13.46 | scales11 | PathagenX: odd but i swear i tried that exact same process twice before |
| 03:13.50 | scales11 | purge and all |
| 03:13.52 | n3kl | yeah, that was mostly a joke |
| 03:13.53 | scales11 | humm |
| 03:13.58 | PathagenX | like windows 'CMD' or 'DOS Box' |
| 03:14.14 | segers_j_ | n3kl: I started to wonder. |
| 03:14.21 | segers_j_ | <g> |
| 03:14.29 | n3kl | I am pretty sure my boss would be terrified to find out that I didn't know what a terminal was. =] |
| 03:14.29 | PathagenX | I am sorry if you had to lose any settings or bookmarks |
| 03:14.54 | scales11 | PathagenX: no it is ok it was a fresh install. i had never been able to run it |
| 03:14.59 | PathagenX | I thought you were a troll. I forgot that you were already here talking XD |
| 03:15.01 | PathagenX | BAD JOKE! |
| 03:15.01 | n3kl | mv ~/.mozilla/{,.bak} |
| 03:15.13 | n3kl | ha |
| 03:15.16 | PathagenX | That's what I figured. |
| 03:15.17 | n3kl | I appologize |
| 03:15.21 | alterityofself | Wopuld any of you recomment debian for its stability? (I have not used Debian as much as other distros, only had a taste of it and am looking for something permenant as my main OS and upgradable -- good package system, etc--) |
| 03:15.35 | n3kl | Debian is best |
| 03:15.37 | PathagenX | alterityofself: Xubuntu |
| 03:15.49 | alterityofself | no ubuntu, please |
| 03:15.59 | PathagenX | fine |
| 03:16.00 | alterityofself | lets stick to the classics, debian, slackware, etc haha |
| 03:16.05 | PathagenX | then yes, Debian Lenny is good. |
| 03:16.11 | n3kl | debian has the best package management system available |
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| 03:16.24 | n3kl | Hey, is lenny officially stable now? |
| 03:16.26 | PathagenX | Don't come crying to us if you have to type in a console command and break a nail though. |
| 03:16.36 | n3kl | or read manpages... |
| 03:16.38 | segers_j_ | alterityofself: if you use stable, it's a rock, if you use testing, it's reasonably stable, if you use sid, youetter be a guru. |
| 03:16.40 | PathagenX | Lenny is testing AFAIK |
| 03:16.40 | n3kl | god forbid |
| 03:16.51 | PathagenX | It replaced/s Etch |
| 03:17.29 | n3kl | I thought I saw something come accross my rss reader today, but I didn't have time to read |
| 03:17.30 | n3kl | !lenny |
| 03:17.30 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and it will hopefully be released soon (ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. See also <testing> and <lenny status>. |
| 03:17.30 | n3kl | damn |
| 03:17.30 | n3kl | still testing or they have not updated the bod |
| 03:17.30 | n3kl | bot |
| 03:17.32 | n3kl | !bad bot |
| 03:17.33 | dpkg | :( |
| 03:17.33 | PathagenX | That's the one. |
| 03:17.39 | PathagenX | Lenny is 5.0 stable? Cool |
| 03:17.46 | PathagenX | It's a good release. |
| 03:18.09 | alterityofself | Path: I'm an old hack to CLI, i'm just looking for the best linux distro that offers a pretty secure system but doesn't do everything for me...ya know haha |
| 03:18.35 | n3kl | alterityofself: just go install it |
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| 03:18.51 | alterityofself | n3kl: good advice |
| 03:18.58 | n3kl | alterityofself: it really is the best. many of us have run them all and settle here |
| 03:19.03 | n3kl | found a home |
| 03:19.08 | scales11 | how to i switch my login managers? currently i have both slim and gdm installed, want to switch to gdm |
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| 03:19.17 | hosler | Im thinking about getting a VPS with 64megs of RAM. Do you think that is enough for myDNS, MySQL, apache, and Postfix? |
| 03:19.37 | alterityofself | n3kl: Ok, i will see you all on the flipside then. haha! |
| 03:19.46 | n3kl | alterityofself: good to hear |
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| 03:19.58 | PathagenX | Debian tries to do everything for you but in the same way a Three year old tries to make Daddy's Lunch. |
| 03:20.26 | PathagenX | It might make a perfectly good sandwhich but you have to nurse it there. |
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| 03:20.52 | alterityofself | haha |
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| 03:20.58 | PathagenX | When it cut's its fingers off, it aint gonna sew them back on itself. |
| 03:22.26 | iridos | hm, my X server froze with 100% CPU usage while running (goes back to normal if I'm patient enough chvt to the text console...) - is there some sneaky way these days to 'rescue' an open application to a new X after an X-server restart? |
| 03:22.33 | hosler | Im thinking about getting a VPS with 64megs of RAM. Do you think that is enough for myDNS, MySQL, apache, and Postfix? |
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| 03:23.10 | PathagenX | no way that would survive a hiccup like that. |
| 03:23.40 | PathagenX | figure out what's going wrong |
| 03:23.52 | PathagenX | start with xorg drivers |
| 03:24.14 | segers_j_ | iridos: check your log files and find the problem |
| 03:24.38 | iridos | segers_j_: that's what I did |
| 03:24.47 | iridos | well... part I of it |
| 03:24.56 | PathagenX | yeash. and email everyone that warned you about using Sid and remind them that they told you so. |
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| 03:25.35 | segers_j_ | iridos: you may need to increase the log level of X |
| 03:25.52 | alterityofself | one quick question about partitioning before i hit the switch, I've never done a linux install with this much memory and HD space: 2 gigs ram, 1 80G HD, 1 250G HD == /swap 1GB, / 70+GB, /home 250GB, should i even bother with seperate /boot, /var, etc... i know its purely preference, but having a bit of input will help me to decide, especially with newer hardware... |
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| 03:27.04 | segers_j_ | alterityofself: I took whatever the default was and haven't had a problem. |
| 03:27.17 | cast | alterityofself: seperate [say, ext3] /boot is quite handy. i stopped bothering with swap a while ago [when i had 1gb of ram], i suggest you use lvm, seperate /home is pretty good |
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| 03:28.12 | iridos | X-log shows "WAIT" warnings: (WW) NVIDIA(0): WAIT (2, 6, 0x8000, 0x00000ad0, 0x00005980), and dmesg shows some NVRM: Xid blablabla lines - which means it's one of several problems with the nvidia driver - and I guess that I changed from 2.6.18 kernel to 2.6.26 lately is one reason and as I was trying to run googleearth at the time, I think it's triggered by openGL |
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| 03:28.37 | PathagenX | eww |
| 03:28.40 | PathagenX | have fun |
| 03:28.54 | segers_j_ | seperate /home is good especially if you're not sure you want this distro, I had one machine that started out mandrake, and I carried the same /home through redhat to debian. |
| 03:29.50 | iridos | so I should probably try to set nvAgp to 0 in xorg.conf and have a chance to stop it according to some threads... I just wonder - all applications are still running - and as I've never gotten into the habit of saving my stuff all 5 minutes, it would be quite cute if I could manage to save what I did today |
| 03:29.56 | iridos | hm |
| 03:29.58 | segers_j_ | iridos: ouch, good luck you'll need help frome someone more well versed than me. |
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| 03:30.28 | anonident | I think unless you have a real good reason to make more partitions.. the best bet is to have one large partition for your install |
| 03:31.08 | iridos | segers_j_: I found a couple of threads on it.. one useless one in an ubuntu forum, where everyone just says "oh, got the same problem, but just as much clue" (those kinds of threads can piss me off *so* much) and some usefulones on nvnews.net... |
| 03:31.25 | iridos | hm, could I start a vnc client and access X with that? |
| 03:31.31 | alterityofself | recomment ext3 or ext2? |
| 03:31.38 | cast | ext3 |
| 03:31.38 | iridos | vnc wouldn't use the nvidia card, now would it? |
| 03:31.54 | alterityofself | cool. thanks so much guys (or gals!) |
| 03:32.08 | segers_j_ | iridos: find greycat, bob2, or mwilson (if you can stand him) |
| 03:32.15 | cast | anonident: one large partition is annoying to reinstall on while keeping your user files intact |
| 03:32.47 | iridos | segers_j_: do they have a magic wand? :) |
| 03:32.51 | anonident | I agree cast, which is the one of the good reasons to split up the partitions |
| 03:33.00 | amphi | segers_j_: heh, mwilson |
| 03:33.06 | segers_j_ | no, just much knowlege |
| 03:33.10 | cafuego | cast: Shouldn't matter much, as you have a backup of your user files, right? |
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| 03:34.12 | cast | cafuego: sure, but...the moment i deliberately wipe out my /home on my computer, i no longer have a backup, plus copying the files back takes a long ass time :< |
| 03:34.14 | iridos | haha... there's a "linuxvnc" with which you can export the text console to vnc clients... not what I was looking for, but still very interesting |
| 03:34.22 | segers_j_ | amphi: he's pulled my ass out of the fire a few times, but he always finds a way to make me feel like an idiot when he does. |
| 03:34.23 | anonident | I just think, especially when starting out using linux. people over analyze partitions and it ends up being more of a problem than anything else. I tried building up a complex partition structure before I knew what I was doing and ended up just having some partitions filled up with others having wasted memory |
| 03:34.43 | cast | anonident: que lvm! :) |
| 03:35.05 | iridos | segers_j_: hehe... I'll try to do the same if I ever know a solution to a problem you'll have :).... (seeing you appreciate that ;) |
| 03:35.15 | alterityofself | anonident: I think I am just going with a two partition scheme...one root and one home.... for /swap, if i have 2gb of ram, i should at least make a 1gb swap right? |
| 03:35.34 | segers_j_ | <g> |
| 03:35.34 | cast | my migration for / from reiser to ext3 just went pretty smoothly, just made another lv, formatted ext3, took a snapshot of current / and copied it accross, edited fstab, reboot. win! (: |
| 03:36.02 | iridos | but one does normally start a vnc server after everything is running, right? |
| 03:36.43 | cafuego | alterityofself: If you have altpop, swap needs be the same size as ram, so suspend can work. Otherwise, smaller is fine. |
| 03:37.20 | cast | gives in and start[s]x |
| 03:37.24 | cafuego | alterityofself: There is no reason why swap should be "at least 1GB". |
| 03:37.25 | iridos | hm, which of the vnc packages should I use? |
| 03:37.48 | alterityofself | cafuego: If I intend to do audio recording and things, what would you mrecommend for swap size with 2gb of ram already in place? |
| 03:38.08 | cafuego | alterityofself: audio recording would work fine without swap as well. |
| 03:38.12 | anonident | I'm not sure how to handle swap size. the original sage advice was 2xram, but I'm not sure where that stands now. |
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| 03:38.32 | cafuego | anonident: That is out the window and has been for a long, long time. |
| 03:38.46 | cafuego | alterityofself: I tend to assign 512Mb swap per disk |
| 03:38.51 | iridos | vncserver, vnc4server, x11vnc? |
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| 03:39.12 | cast | personally i perfer no swap, then when i run out of memory things can just get killed, rather than thrashing my hard disk for 10 minutes then getting killed. plus then i dont have to bother with encrypted swap :) |
| 03:39.22 | cafuego | alterityofself: I guess it depends a bit on how big the disk is. On 500GB you'll not miss that 1GB |
| 03:39.30 | iridos | guess x11vnc it is |
| 03:39.47 | alterityofself | Cafuego: I guess what I'm asking specifically is, is there a point where too much swap space becomes too cumbersome. I have an 80gig root and a 250gig /home |
| 03:39.50 | cafuego | !info x11vnc |
| 03:39.52 | segers_j_ | iridos: x11vnc is the one that _is_a_ x server isn't it? whichever one that is won't help you. |
| 03:39.54 | dpkg | x11vnc: (VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.3.dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 747 kB, Installed size: 1496 kB |
| 03:40.15 | segers_j_ | k nevermind |
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| 03:40.43 | cafuego | alterityofself: When all your swap is in use the system will become unusable if it should start paging other stuff out - so there is a point when you'll just be stuck waiting for IO like cast pointed out. |
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| 03:41.14 | cafuego | alterityofself: 1GiB will be fine - just run with that. |
| 03:41.20 | anonident | so when is a large swap needed? |
| 03:41.51 | cast | i installed deb on a server, bosses instructions, use 2x memory for swap, so there's 2 servers with 32GB of swap space each |
| 03:42.03 | cafuego | anonident: When you have apps running that are not used very often, so they can be swapped out and the ram they would otherwise have used can be used by active apps or as disk cache. |
| 03:42.04 | segers_j_ | anonident: structural mechanics simulations come to mind for me. |
| 03:42.43 | cafuego | anonident: Not generally on home desktops anyway. |
| 03:42.56 | cast | segers_j_: FEM++ |
| 03:43.12 | cafuego | cast: wow, supercomputing cluster ftw! |
| 03:43.14 | alterityofself | YES! The BEST Seinfeld is on! The one with Mr. Bookman and the library |
| 03:43.37 | iridos | segers_j_: no, x11vnc is the one that connects to the already running one, while others have to start it... seems what I want - now I'll only have to boot into knoppix on one of the windows things and perhaps install a vnc client... and I'll see |
| 03:43.48 | iridos | (damn thing is not booting from CD right now, though) |
| 03:44.05 | iridos | segers_j_: is it? |
| 03:44.11 | segers_j_ | iridos: luck++ |
| 03:44.14 | iridos | segers_j_: the large swap needed\ |
| 03:45.17 | cast | i just setup an amazon ec2 iamge so i can run various codes without running out of memory, 80 cents an hour for a box with 16gb of ram :). is well worth it when you're tired of trying to make do with 1gb at work and watching things repeatedly die or waste huge amounts of your time |
| 03:45.20 | segers_j_ | a relatively simple simulation ate my entire swap and took forever to let me do anything. didn't crash though. <shrug> |
| 03:45.25 | anonident | seems like with a 64bit system swap size could become important with certain applications |
| 03:45.50 | cast | segers_j_: did you write the code? |
| 03:46.02 | segers_j_ | god no! |
| 03:46.09 | segers_j_ | i wish |
| 03:46.09 | anonident | in 32bit systems aren't applications still limited to just 4GB of memory? |
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| 03:46.12 | cast | segers_j_: hmm, what were you using? |
| 03:46.15 | cafuego | anonident: yup |
| 03:46.38 | segers_j_ | don't remember I gave up in disgust. |
| 03:46.43 | cafuego | anonident: of couse, swapping out 4+GiB of stuff is going to take a while, no matter what arch. |
| 03:46.54 | cast | what were you analysising then |
| 03:47.13 | segers_j_ | cast: some bridge example |
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| 03:47.33 | Piper69 | i was using cfdisk and fdisk yesterday to mount my second HDD , today when i reboot i was not able to get to the GRUB selection, instead i get Grub Error 17. i have a liveCD and i booted , but i don;t know how to fix my grub |
| 03:47.34 | cast | ahh. |
| 03:47.39 | cast | <-CE |
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| 03:47.57 | ubd | hello |
| 03:48.17 | ubd | how can i format my usb disk |
| 03:48.31 | cast | pick a file system, then use mkfs |
| 03:48.45 | segers_j_ | cast: I was trying to find out if my invention would be workable and was working on getting a model made to test it when I found that my pathetic hardware couldn't even do the example file and gave up for now. |
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| 03:48.50 | n3kl | Piper69: update-grub, or grub-install /dev/bla |
| 03:48.59 | ubd | cast, do i have to mount it first |
| 03:49.03 | Piper69 | ubd: mkfs.ext3 /yourusb |
| 03:49.03 | n3kl | Piper69: both, would not kill you |
| 03:49.18 | cast | ubd: no, quite the opposite, make sure its unmounted |
| 03:49.36 | ubd | usb disk has 3 partitions i want to get rid of them |
| 03:49.47 | cafuego | Then fdisk is first |
| 03:49.48 | Piper69 | n3kl: do that from knopix livecd |
| 03:49.54 | ubd | ok |
| 03:49.58 | anonident | anyone want to make a forecast as to when we hit the 64 bit memory address space limit in RAM? |
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| 03:50.16 | cafuego | anonident: 1974 |
| 03:50.23 | segers_j_ | ehhehe |
| 03:50.58 | ubd | erm, how do i use fdisk, i see that sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 exists |
| 03:51.43 | cafuego | ubd: fdisk /dev/sda |
| 03:51.53 | iridos | segers_j_: and you don't remember what software you used?! |
| 03:51.55 | cafuego | make *really really* use sda is your usb disk before you do this |
| 03:51.56 | ubd | sdb? |
| 03:52.00 | cafuego | s/use/sure/ |
| 03:52.05 | cafuego | Eh yes, sdb :-) |
| 03:52.32 | Piper69 | cafuego: shouldn't he do fdisk -l first to know the right one |
| 03:52.53 | cafuego | Piper69: No? |
| 03:53.02 | ubd | its sdb looked at -l |
| 03:53.09 | cafuego | Piper69: Just hit 'p' in fdisk to check |
| 03:53.14 | ubd | p |
| 03:53.31 | cafuego | is less typing, if you got it right |
| 03:53.39 | ubd | Command (m for help): |
| 03:53.53 | iridos | segers_j_: there's many different levels of simulations... if you used some ab-initio thing like... dunno, gaussian, I think they're only made for relatively small systems |
| 03:53.54 | anonident | I guess we could use moore's law to get a date |
| 03:53.57 | segers_j_ | iridos: it was a bootable live cd with several choices, I couldn't figure out how to use them, I got one to run and it effectively hung my system, it was just a bad scene. |
| 03:54.02 | enouf | cat /proc/partitions ;-) |
| 03:54.07 | iridos | *sigh* how can there be PCs which won't boot from CD at all? |
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| 03:54.18 | enouf | old |
| 03:54.30 | cafuego | anonident: Not really, your long int would overflow before it could get the date right ;-) |
| 03:54.44 | iridos | segers_j_: most of those programs are not easy to use... need at least a week or so to get used to them |
| 03:54.44 | cafuego | ubd: Delete exiting partitons with 'd' |
| 03:54.53 | cast | iridos: i found for old pcs, in the days of woody, the 4th cd iirc would boot em if the 1st failed |
| 03:54.58 | cafuego | ubd: Then create a new one with 'n' |
| 03:55.06 | enouf | anonident: we already have - your 64bit cpu is really a 40bit cpu |
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| 03:55.18 | cafuego | ubd: When you are confident the disk is the right one and the new layout is correct, hit 'w'. |
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| 03:55.57 | iridos | cast: you mean it just doesn't read the CD? or that the CD should be... well "/dev/hdc" (2nd ide port, 2nd position) |
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| 03:56.07 | segers_j_ | iridos: I expected it to be make a model in blender, import it, poke it with a virtual stick... it's not like that <sheepish grin> |
| 03:56.10 | phorce1 | so, is there any real reason to use a -bigmem kernel over a regular one when one has exactly 4Gig of RAM installed |
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| 03:56.20 | ubd | cool thanks |
| 03:56.28 | iridos | cast: no, actually, there is no boot-option "CD" - just harddisk, lan and floppy (how weird) |
| 03:56.38 | enouf | phorce1: no |
| 03:56.49 | holdemnuts | PathagenX: well the lenny install went fine with one exception - it got the grub hd's wrong... but that was an easy fix :-) |
| 03:56.52 | ubd | now i have a sigle partition, what was the format command ? |
| 03:56.52 | iridos | segers_j_: ha - but I never managed to use blender in a useful manner :) |
| 03:57.21 | enouf | phorce1: you'll suffer much more than you'll gain ... without the -bigmem, you end up with ~3.2G usable .. live with it ;-) |
| 03:57.34 | segers_j_ | iridos: I'm far from a master, but I can beat blender into submission when I have to. |
| 03:57.37 | phorce1 | needs to stick more RAM in the machine he wants to Xen out. Thought it had 2G but it's only got 1G |
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| 03:57.47 | iridos | segers_j_: I might be able to do it for you... depends of course, what it is... if AMBER forcefield suffices... |
| 03:58.07 | holdemnuts | blender rocks... but not as good a zbrush |
| 03:58.15 | holdemnuts | although they're quite different tools |
| 03:58.47 | phorce1 | enouf: Like this? --> Mem: 3631652 3458840 172812 |
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| 03:59.05 | enouf | phorce1: you could toy with the vmsplit_ options, make your own kernel, - but check your bios for a 'memory hole remap', try enabling it - if things are working correctly, you might get all 4 |
| 03:59.08 | segers_j_ | iridos: eh, I just switched my plans, I'll use steel tubing instead of a formed plastic shape. It'll be less elegant, but I know it'll be strong enough. |
| 03:59.18 | enouf | phorce1: yeah, like that |
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| 03:59.34 | segers_j_ | iridos: thanks for the offer though. |
| 03:59.38 | ubd | is there a way to look for bad sectors. i dont trust disk much |
| 03:59.40 | phorce1 | what does -bigmem break if used with 4G or less? |
| 03:59.41 | enouf | phorce1: add more pci devices, and that number will drop |
| 03:59.57 | enouf | phorce1: -bigmem has PAE enabled |
| 04:00.14 | enouf | phorce1: yet, another HIGHMEM layer hack |
| 04:00.15 | iridos | segers_j_: ohh... I had misunderstood you completely :))) nevermind :) |
| 04:01.47 | segers_j_ | wonders what iridos was thinking. |
| 04:01.58 | iridos | sometimes wonders himself what he is thinking |
| 04:01.59 | iridos | hehe |
| 04:02.06 | segers_j_ | hahaha |
| 04:02.13 | iridos | I thought... s/structural/molecular/ |
| 04:02.23 | segers_j_ | ahhh |
| 04:02.25 | iridos | ok - so I'll have to reboot this pc |
| 04:02.41 | iridos | ... as the other doesn't like cds |
| 04:02.44 | iridos | laters |
| 04:02.45 | phorce1 | enouf: so, with bigmem I'd end up with an almost 4G page and a useless what's-left-over page of memory |
| 04:03.18 | phorce1 | minus whatever gets used for the 64G map |
| 04:04.23 | ubd | i formatted the disk and fsk ed but i am not sure if it looked for bad sectors should i use mkfs *c*c or smth ? |
| 04:04.43 | enouf | too many extra context switches and too much VMM remapping .. (no, i can't explain it in depth now, but there are some great long discusssions you can read that talk all about it) |
| 04:05.23 | enouf | ubd: badblocks |
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| 04:06.06 | phorce1 | enouf: Just wanted the basics stuck in my head well enough to act as a reminder to not install -bigmem unless I go to 6G+ on a machine for some oddball reason |
| 04:06.21 | enouf | phorce1: good call ;-) |
| 04:06.41 | enouf | phorce1: or .. just run the amd64 install ;-) |
| 04:06.43 | ubd | enouf, badblocks /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 04:06.53 | enouf | hit the man page! |
| 04:06.58 | phorce1 | seems to recall hi Commodore Vic-20 running just fine with only 3K of RAM. 4G, WTF? |
| 04:07.16 | ubd | i dont know english |
| 04:07.17 | phorce1 | enouf: 64bit -- uhh, no |
| 04:07.20 | enouf | phorce1: and it was faster too ... |
| 04:07.31 | enouf | phorce1: uh .. why not? |
| 04:08.20 | phorce1 | enouf: still not enough userland and running 32bit userland under 64bit kernel just seems pointless |
| 04:08.37 | enouf | screw userland ;-) |
| 04:09.04 | enouf | you want that baby lean and mean, pumping iron, with ripped abs! |
| 04:09.07 | enouf | :-P |
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| 04:10.16 | enouf | "userland" nowadays seems to involve more and more proprietary crap ... |
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| 04:12.49 | cast | only if you decide to make it so |
| 04:13.17 | cast | wishes people would stop deciding to make it so |
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| 04:17.09 | phorce1 | Oh, and speaking of Xen, the Wiki is broken. Joey's netboot/xen directory where i instructs people to get a d-i with sample xen domU configs is gone. I got dom0 running then stopped because I haven't the time to figure out how to install a domU by reading man pages right now |
| 04:17.24 | phorce1 | s/where i/where it/ |
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| 04:32.40 | rhineheart_m | how to install debian from USB? |
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| 04:32.52 | rhineheart_m | my motherboard supports booting USB |
| 04:32.53 | rhineheart_m | thanks |
| 04:33.09 | billy-lee1 | i want to know also |
| 04:33.15 | dmoerner | well in that case |
| 04:33.17 | dmoerner | !install usb |
| 04:33.20 | rhineheart_m | I have working debian in my wmware workstation |
| 04:33.23 | dmoerner | !usb install |
| 04:33.23 | dpkg | well, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 04:36.20 | rhineheart_m | I can't run this: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 04:36.49 | rhineheart_m | it returns: zcat: boot.img.gz: No such file or directory |
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| 04:37.14 | n3kl | ug |
| 04:37.19 | n3kl | download it |
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| 04:39.14 | rhineheart_m | download it? I have this .iso however in the box.. debian-40r5-i386-netinst |
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| 04:45.14 | rhineheart_m | mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 04:45.14 | rhineheart_m | returns mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 04:46.06 | n3kl | Why would I be getting "Aborted by host" when trying to selftest my disk with smartctl? |
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| 04:49.15 | xbj9000 | hi |
| 04:49.35 | xbj9000 | can I use a Lenny weekly build image to install from a USB thumb-drive? |
| 04:50.10 | rhineheart_m | xbj9000, do you know the command to mount the USB? |
| 04:50.48 | xbj9000 | normally yes but I'm not about during install |
| 04:50.53 | xbj9000 | *not sure about |
| 04:51.43 | n3kl | xbj9000: why would you not be able to? |
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| 04:52.33 | xbj9000 | I have an old laptop with a bad CD drive |
| 04:52.57 | n3kl | thats what I am saying. Would there be any reason you would not be able to install from usb? |
| 04:53.11 | n3kl | if you have usb, then everyting should be fine |
| 04:53.22 | xbj9000 | I dont expect so but that's why I'm asking :p |
| 04:53.29 | xbj9000 | before I make the USB |
| 04:53.31 | rhineheart_m | n3kl, I have USB.. but I won't run mine.. |
| 04:53.39 | rhineheart_m | *it won't |
| 04:53.58 | xbj9000 | I thought it may look for files in a CD location and fail |
| 04:54.34 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: why not |
| 04:54.41 | n3kl | xbj9000: tell me more |
| 04:54.53 | rhineheart_m | that's reason why I asked.. |
| 04:55.04 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: how far do you get? |
| 04:55.08 | n3kl | does it start to boot? |
| 04:55.21 | rhineheart_m | even the first step in http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en I got error already |
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| 04:55.32 | stoned | !seen jetscreamer |
| 04:55.32 | dpkg | stoned: i haven't seen 'jetscreamer' |
| 04:55.46 | n3kl | sup stoned |
| 04:55.51 | rhineheart_m | zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 04:55.51 | rhineheart_m | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.52 | xbj9000 | is this right for me? |
| 04:55.54 | xbj9000 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 04:56.06 | n3kl | url looks good |
| 04:56.21 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: did you download the media? |
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| 04:56.34 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: you have to get the image before you can cat thin air to the usb disk |
| 04:56.55 | rhineheart_m | mmm.. okay.. that media above link? |
| 04:57.15 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: from your earlier post, zcat is telling you that boot.img.gz does not exist |
| 04:57.26 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: should work, I didn't test, ask xbj9000 |
| 04:57.29 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. so I will be downloading xbj9000 ? |
| 04:57.59 | n3kl | yes |
| 04:58.00 | rhineheart_m | xbj9000, is that image etch? |
| 04:58.10 | n3kl | looks like its testing/lenny |
| 04:58.12 | xbj9000 | Lenny release candidate |
| 04:58.17 | xbj9000 | released about a week ago |
| 04:58.53 | bullgard4 | When do you use the 'modifier letter grave accent' (U+02CB) in contrast to the 'grave accent' (U+0060)? |
| 04:59.32 | rhineheart_m | n3kl, I want the image equivalent to debian-40r5-i386-netinst |
| 05:00.01 | xbj9000 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 05:00.06 | xbj9000 | I think is what you want |
| 05:00.44 | n3kl | rhineheart_m: so go get an etch disk |
| 05:00.47 | n3kl | er image |
| 05:00.58 | n3kl | xbj9000: thanks |
| 05:01.18 | rhineheart_m | nekl..i have the debian-40r5-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 05:01.22 | rhineheart_m | can I use it? |
| 05:01.35 | n3kl | yes |
| 05:01.51 | rhineheart_m | okayh.. so how? |
| 05:02.09 | n3kl | you need to get the boot.img.gz file, then cat that to the usb disk, then mount the usb disk and copy the iso to the disk, umount, reboot from usb |
| 05:02.35 | rhineheart_m | okay.. downloading the image now.. |
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| 05:03.20 | n3kl | gooooot |
| 05:03.49 | Jyzygzy- | anyone know if there is a console system monitor? |
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| 05:04.09 | n3kl | Jyzygzy-: for what? there is top, htop vmstat |
| 05:04.13 | lifestream | Jyzygzy-, type top |
| 05:04.19 | Jyzygzy- | like for various stuff |
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| 05:04.31 | n3kl | Jyzygzy-: how do you think sysadmins got by the last 20 years =] |
| 05:04.31 | Jyzygzy- | alot on information about the status of the system in one screen |
| 05:04.41 | lifestream | Jyzygzy-, you can also install htop which is prettier, runs from console too |
| 05:04.45 | n3kl | Jyzygzy-: I usr a combination if htop, and iptraf |
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| 05:07.27 | Jyzygzy- | well i guess those will have to do then |
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| 05:10.14 | Jyzygzy- | iotop also seems like a nice thing to have |
| 05:11.10 | n3kl | powertop too |
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| 05:12.46 | xbj9000 | eh this laptop won't boot from USB |
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| 05:12.50 | xbj9000 | oh well |
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| 05:13.09 | lifestream | Heya, I find lots of information online about how to install Debian from hard-drive from Windows, but how would I do it with Linux? (Install Debian from hard drive, to another partition) |
| 05:13.34 | zinx | debootstrap or similar |
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| 05:14.43 | lifestream | Hm. Thank you zinx. To google and beyong! *goes* |
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| 05:15.58 | Jyzygzy- | woot no iotop for stable o.o |
| 05:16.48 | iridos | hm, think the chappie's gone |
| 05:16.54 | xbj9000 | the CD drive on that laptop is only partly broken: it will almost boot distros like puppy and dsl which are tiny on the CD |
| 05:17.04 | xbj9000 | gonna try the Lenny businesscard iso |
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| 05:20.51 | lifestream | Guys: I want newest features, but don't want to be so unstable that my OS misbehaves/crashes/does-not-fuction a lot. Is Debian Sid for me? :P |
| 05:22.03 | LemensTS | Debian Etch should be fine |
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| 05:24.10 | Lagbolt | lifestream, lenny is about to release. it is pretty up to date and i think should be relatively problem free or at least it is for me |
| 05:24.26 | xbj9000 | been using Lenny for months will no real issues |
| 05:24.34 | xbj9000 | *with no |
| 05:24.54 | Lagbolt | lifestream, and as with etch, stuff will be backported or you can backport things you need as newer versions of programs appear |
| 05:25.10 | lifestream | Well, mostly interested about new features on applications. I hate not being able to use a newer version of Gnome-Do, for example :) |
| 05:25.35 | lifestream | Oh Lagbolt that sounds good |
| 05:25.36 | plante | we want lenny |
| 05:26.41 | LemensTS | i want busty beaver |
| 05:26.58 | xbj9000 | lol |
| 05:27.09 | lifestream | x-D |
| 05:27.29 | lifestream | Not supported on your hardware |
| 05:27.31 | Lagbolt | lol nice, the 27 kern i have show "Trembling Tortoise" in the title. i was like wtf |
| 05:27.32 | xbj9000 | 2012 version of Boobuntu? |
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| 05:28.42 | LemensTS | just matter of time |
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| 05:33.55 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I find out in which package a certain tool is? because i've got this tool installed on box1, but want it also on box2... |
| 05:34.21 | lifestream | ... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en Windows users get a simple .exe to install Debian, but Linux-ers gotta suffer through insanely long page of instructions? How sad :P |
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| 05:35.25 | iridos | !tell SpeedyG -about apt-file |
| 05:36.47 | SpeedyG | thanks iridos |
| 05:37.14 | iridos | SpeedyG, also ask dpkg about search (there's also dlocate and dpkg -S) |
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| 05:44.56 | SpeedyG | k, thanks again :) i've found what I was looking for :) |
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| 05:46.38 | ubd | i want to copy files from one usb to another. however i dont have write permission. the drive is auto mounted and itis ext3. what shall i do |
| 05:47.18 | iridos | probably mount /your/usb -o remount,rw |
| 05:47.44 | iridos | your question is fuzzy, though |
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| 05:50.55 | ubd | i umount the device i want to wrıte on |
| 05:51.07 | ubd | how do i mount it now |
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| 05:54.56 | streuner_ | ubd: man mount, man fstab, just read it all :-) |
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| 05:59.57 | ubd | cant i change the owner to ubd from root |
| 06:00.52 | mbrush | ubd: chown ubd /whatever/file/or/dir |
| 06:02.06 | ubd | mbrush, devıce or folder that ıs mounted? |
| 06:02.44 | mbrush | that should work on a file, dir, dev, etc |
| 06:03.01 | ubd | thanks it did work |
| 06:03.02 | streuner_ | !vfatrw |
| 06:03.02 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 06:06.17 | ubd | your the man mbrush ! |
| 06:06.39 | mbrush | haha, nope, just bored |
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| 06:07.37 | ubd | now i have linux how can i hack my neighbour ;P |
| 06:08.42 | Dewi | is there a LANG for 16-bit characters so I can use things like grep with files encoded that way? |
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| 06:08.52 | ubd | !vext3rw |
| 06:08.58 | ubd | !ext3rw |
| 06:09.02 | ubd | !ext2rw |
| 06:09.25 | dmoerner | ubd, /msg dpkg listkeys |
| 06:09.31 | Doitle2 | su to root and just use the haxz0r command... Add the -pwn flag to really get them |
| 06:09.51 | Dewi | nmind, I'll use iconv |
| 06:10.03 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.53 | cahoot | I get the impression neighbours can feel safe |
| 06:11.09 | ubd | lol |
| 06:12.22 | holdemnuts | can someone tell me the correct package to get flash working on lenny? there doesn't seem to be a flashplugin |
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| 06:12.57 | ubd | lenny? |
| 06:13.10 | holdemnuts | testing |
| 06:13.24 | streuner_ | ubd: /msg dpkg lenny |
| 06:13.38 | ubd | apt-get flash plugin |
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| 06:14.30 | Doitle2 | O |
| 06:14.41 | dmoerner | holdemnuts, /msg dpkg adobe flash |
| 06:15.08 | dmoerner | holdemnuts, adobe flash testing is a new factoid that explains it better actually |
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| 06:16.15 | Doitle2 | I know this is probably a stupid question but I dont know what the hard drive I just added's name is... /hda?/ and I don't know how to find out either :/ |
| 06:16.42 | dmoerner | Doitle2, try running fdisk -l, or examining dmesg |
| 06:16.46 | xxiao | supposed i have a tone of deb binaries under one directory, and i want to apt-get from there, is dpkg-scanpackages the only tool to build up the repo? |
| 06:16.47 | ubd | Doitle2, fdisk -l |
| 06:16.58 | Doitle2 | ah alright thanks |
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| 06:18.04 | xxiao | what's the database to maintain for packages' relationship on the repo, is Packages.gz the only file to take care of that? |
| 06:18.27 | dmoerner | xxiao, yes that should be sufficient |
| 06:18.29 | dmoerner | for a simple repo |
| 06:18.47 | xxiao | i'm rebuilding lenny for a new arch...thanks. |
| 06:19.22 | Doitle2 | Also it seems that Debian doesnt include mke2fs and apt-get can't find it either... Is there another similar utility on Debian for making a filesystem? mke2fs is the only one I know |
| 06:19.40 | ubd | mkfs |
| 06:20.02 | mbrush | mkfs -t ext2 |
| 06:20.14 | xxiao | dmoerner: "simple repo only", i'm building the whole lenny now manually before i can setup autobuild, do I need something else to setup the repo? |
| 06:20.37 | dmoerner | xxiao, you are rebuilding 20k packages in lenny? |
| 06:20.47 | dmoerner | that's beyond my expertise |
| 06:20.51 | streuner_ | !find mkfs.ext2 |
| 06:21.04 | xxiao | dmoerner: yes :) probably will push that to next release, first trying |
| 06:21.20 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mkfs.ext2' (2): (/sbin/mkfs.ext2) in admin/e2fsprogs ;; (/usr/lib/debug/sbin/mkfs.ext2) in devel/e2fsprogs-dbg. |
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| 06:22.17 | xxiao | dmoerner: the hard part is to bootstrap it, after the basic filesystem is built, it's ready to put it under autobuilder, though i don't know yet how to set up it, so now all is manually done |
| 06:22.28 | dmoerner | what architecture? |
| 06:22.36 | xxiao | e500 from freescale |
| 06:22.42 | dmoerner | this is probably a question for debian-devel on oftc |
| 06:23.11 | xxiao | kind of quiet there, tried before |
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| 06:29.33 | giacomo_carissim | so, i tried to install the proprietary ati drivers on my debian system, and x.org died |
| 06:29.45 | giacomo_carissim | how do i go about fixing this horrible mess? |
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| 06:30.03 | mbrush | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg maybe? |
| 06:30.27 | mbrush | I gave up on ATI |
| 06:30.38 | giacomo_carissim | awww |
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| 06:34.07 | giacomo_carissim | does xorg not like ati or something |
| 06:34.08 | giacomo_carissim | ? |
| 06:34.23 | mbrush | I didn't have much success with my All In Wonder Radeon |
| 06:34.37 | mbrush | eventually it worked, and then something would change and it would stop |
| 06:34.47 | mbrush | never good 3d stuff |
| 06:35.08 | giacomo_carissim | well, i used to use ubuntu and my x300 mobile would work perfectly |
| 06:35.21 | mbrush | then copy your xorg.conf file over |
| 06:35.28 | giacomo_carissim | i used the envyng thing to install the driver on my ubuntu |
| 06:35.30 | giacomo_carissim | oh |
| 06:35.42 | mbrush | envyng probably works on debian |
| 06:35.49 | giacomo_carissim | i only backed up the home directory before installing lenny |
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| 06:37.01 | giacomo_carissim | ill try envyng |
| 06:37.13 | giacomo_carissim | if i can figure out how to get xorg working again period... |
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| 06:37.39 | mbrush | I *think* if you delete xorg.conf it will be autogenerated with safe defaults |
| 06:37.44 | mbrush | but back it up first |
| 06:37.50 | Piper69 | i was using cfdisk and fdisk yesterday to mount my second HDD , today when i reboot i was not able to get to the GRUB selection, instead i get Grub Error 17. i have a liveCD and i booted , but i don;t know how to fix my grub |
| 06:38.24 | holdemnuts | whew - got it working through backports |
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| 06:39.05 | Piper69 | using knoppix liveCD i did grub-install /dev/hda1 and said something about boot not found -----please help |
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| 06:39.24 | mbrush | Piper69 what filesystem is on the drive? |
| 06:41.37 | Piper69 | mbrush: /dev/hda1 linux /dev/hda2 Extended /dev/hda5 linux /solaris |
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| 06:43.10 | mbrush | I mean what is the filesystem type, for example EXT2 or 3 or VFAT, etc |
| 06:43.12 | giacomo_carissim | hmmm, deleting the xorg.conf did not help... still have the xorg problem... how can i remove the ati driver? |
| 06:43.27 | mbrush | it should be in the readme file |
| 06:43.48 | mbrush | did you try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 06:43.54 | giacomo_carissim | i did |
| 06:44.04 | giacomo_carissim | it just asked me a bunch of keyboard stuff |
| 06:44.20 | giacomo_carissim | and the installer didn't come with a readme, just a .run file |
| 06:44.21 | Piper69 | mbrush: are you talking to me or to giacomo_carissim |
| 06:44.26 | mbrush | both |
| 06:44.34 | mbrush | his name is to long to type |
| 06:44.50 | Piper69 | type? |
| 06:44.59 | mbrush | haha, I'm not too hot with IRC |
| 06:44.59 | Piper69 | you don't use Tab |
| 06:45.08 | mbrush | show me |
| 06:45.20 | giacomo_carissim | start typing a name and then just mash tab |
| 06:45.22 | giacomo_carissim | it fills in the rest |
| 06:45.25 | giacomo_carissim | mbrush: |
| 06:45.28 | mbrush | sweet |
| 06:45.28 | giacomo_carissim | just had to type mb |
| 06:45.30 | Piper69 | you type the first 2 or 3 letters then hit tab |
| 06:46.17 | mbrush | good tip ... while we're at it ... how does one **** something |
| 06:46.28 | Piper69 | mbrush: that is a unix thing and has nothing to do with IRC |
| 06:46.40 | mbrush | I don't know what it's called ... like ****shruggs |
| 06:47.06 | Piper69 | what is ****? |
| 06:47.18 | mbrush | it's what shows up on my screen :) |
| 06:47.31 | Piper69 | shows where |
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| 06:48.16 | ubd | i need a tool to limit uploads and downloads of particular programs |
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| 06:49.43 | mbrush | Piper69: did you get the GRUB issue resolved? |
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| 06:50.17 | Piper69 | mbrush: no |
| 06:50.24 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: i think there might be a kernel option to force safe vga |
| 06:50.38 | mbrush | Piper69: what filesystem type is it? |
| 06:50.50 | Piper69 | mbrush: how can i tell |
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| 06:51.53 | giacomo_carissim | i bet it's ext3 |
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| 06:51.59 | mbrush | Piper69: didn't you prepare it? |
| 06:52.24 | Piper69 | mbrush: long time ago |
| 06:52.34 | mbrush | df -T |
| 06:53.15 | Piper69 | mbrush: what will that do? |
| 06:53.35 | mbrush | list the partitions and their filesystems |
| 06:55.13 | ruelps | yesterday i had sex twice |
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| 06:58.57 | Amse | Hi. |
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| 06:59.52 | ubd | hi |
| 07:00.20 | Piper69 | mbrush: ok, this is a Debian box, and i am using knoppix liveCD |
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| 07:00.40 | Amse | Ah... |
| 07:01.17 | Amse | Knoppix was my first distro |
| 07:01.21 | Piper69 | mbrush: so when i did df -T i got nothing for /dev/hda1 |
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| 07:01.51 | Amse | "Knoppix 2.70" as i remember |
| 07:02.07 | Amse | Which is the current version? |
| 07:02.25 | Piper69 | Amse: 5 |
| 07:02.31 | Amse | lol |
| 07:02.51 | Piper69 | Amse: i am trying to use it to fix my grub |
| 07:03.14 | Amse | Well, is a good idea |
| 07:03.49 | mbrush | Piper69: is the partition mountable/readable in knoppix? |
| 07:04.03 | Piper69 | mbrush: no |
| 07:04.15 | mbrush | sounds like it's hooped |
| 07:04.30 | Piper69 | meaning |
| 07:05.16 | Amse | Piper69, do you use reiserFS or another not-standard filesystem?? |
| 07:05.22 | mbrush | not working/screwed-up ... i would think if there wasn't a problem with the partition, knoppix could mount it |
| 07:05.25 | giacomo_carissim | http://pastebin.com/m56925b5 |
| 07:05.30 | giacomo_carissim | this is the error i keep getting |
| 07:05.35 | giacomo_carissim | from my xorg |
| 07:05.35 | Amse | Excuse my english level xD |
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| 07:06.11 | gramnacha | ðåøàåò ÷òî åìó áîëüøå íå÷åãî ñêàçàòü |
| 07:06.42 | mbrush | psst ... Piper69 ... gramnacha_Away just did one of those IRC things I'm talking about |
| 07:07.25 | Piper69 | Amse: no |
| 07:08.02 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: "Envy features both a GUI (which you can launch only inside a Desktop Environment) and a textual interface which you can use if, for example, you cannot start the Xserver." |
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| 07:08.29 | holdemnuts | does anyone in here use mucommander? |
| 07:08.35 | Amse | Did you tryed to mount the partition from another live-cd distro? |
| 07:09.02 | Piper69 | Amse: how would i mount it from the Knoppix cd |
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| 07:09.16 | mbrush | Piper69: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 07:09.55 | Amse | yep |
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| 07:10.58 | mbrush | Piper69: I think error 17 means that grub sees the partition but doesn't know how to use the filesystem or something |
| 07:11.37 | Piper69 | mbrush: doesn't mount need the filesysem type |
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| 07:11.48 | Piper69 | mount -t |
| 07:12.14 | giacomo_carissim | hmmm, how can i turn on my wireless via the command line? i've never had to do that before |
| 07:12.27 | mbrush | Piper69: yes, but if linux cannot determine the filesystem, it's probably "broken" in some sense |
| 07:12.42 | mbrush | or some wierd filesystem you need to have support for |
| 07:13.00 | Piper69 | giacomo_carissim: ifup eth |
| 07:13.20 | mbrush | Piper69: If it was a supported/healthy filesystem, mount could probably automatically determine the filesystem type |
| 07:13.53 | giacomo_carissim | ifup did not work |
| 07:13.54 | Piper69 | mbrush: and i don't know what the the fs type |
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| 07:14.09 | Amse | giacomo_carissim |
| 07:14.12 | Piper69 | giacomo_carissim: do ifconfig -a |
| 07:14.19 | mbrush | Piper69: neither does linux or grub ... which is why I'm suggesting a problem with the partition |
| 07:14.37 | Amse | Do you have a broadcom or something? xD |
| 07:14.45 | mbrush | Piper69: it's likely ext2 or ext3 |
| 07:15.13 | Piper69 | mbrush: and i was fuckin' arround last night trying to add a second HDD |
| 07:15.18 | giacomo_carissim | i did Piper69 |
| 07:15.27 | giacomo_carissim | my wireless card is eth1 |
| 07:15.54 | Piper69 | mbrush: what would be the result if lets say it is on ext3 and i used ext2 |
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| 07:16.13 | mbrush | Piper69: ls |
| 07:16.15 | mbrush | oops |
| 07:16.20 | Piper69 | giacomo_carissim: then ifup eth1 |
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| 07:16.21 | acemi | Piper69: fdisk -l |
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| 07:16.37 | Piper69 | acemi: and |
| 07:16.45 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: ifdown eth1 |
| 07:16.47 | acemi | you will see the fs type |
| 07:17.41 | giacomo_carissim | ifup eth1 does nothing |
| 07:17.46 | giacomo_carissim | it says unkown device |
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| 07:18.02 | Piper69 | acemi: /dev/hda1 linux /dev/hda2 Extended /dev/hda5 linux /solaris |
| 07:18.12 | giacomo_carissim | ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1 |
| 07:18.20 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: can you find it by using ifconfig |
| 07:18.38 | acemi | Piper69: is this a swap partition? |
| 07:18.42 | giacomo_carissim | find what? |
| 07:18.48 | mbrush | device name |
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| 07:19.04 | giacomo_carissim | what do you mean device name? my wireless device in eth1 |
| 07:19.25 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: for sure? try typing ifconfig and see if there is another name |
| 07:19.34 | giacomo_carissim | ... iwconfig says the same thing |
| 07:19.47 | giacomo_carissim | i typed it and there is no other name |
| 07:20.06 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: do you not have any wired network card? |
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| 07:20.25 | giacomo_carissim | i do, but i would have to go into the other room, hahahaha |
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| 07:20.40 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: I mean in that machine with the wireless |
| 07:20.58 | Piper69 | acemi: do you know what is my problem |
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| 07:21.36 | giacomo_carissim | yes, it has wired and wireless... wired is eth0, wireless is eth1 |
| 07:21.54 | acemi | Piper69: mounting problem? |
| 07:22.13 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: ok ... I was just wondering because I've never had a wifi card show up as eth ... it was atl and wlan for my two laptops |
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| 07:22.27 | Piper69 | acemi: trying to fix grub error17 |
| 07:22.46 | mbrush | Piper69: I think you messed up your partition table and/or filesystem |
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| 07:26.15 | mbrush | Piper69: what happens if you run 'fsck /dev/hda1' |
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| 07:29.29 | pumpkin0 | i will never ever trust debian again: everytime i use suspend-to-disc with the stock kernel and initrd (2.6.26, lenny) the mounted fs become corrupted and fail to fsck. Were can i report the bug w/o using a linux ? |
| 07:29.33 | dtoch | Morning |
| 07:29.48 | cast | then stop suspending to disk |
| 07:29.50 | cast | :) |
| 07:30.20 | cast | lenny isn't stable, either, |
| 07:30.56 | mbrush | pumpkin0 how much RAM/swap space do you have? |
| 07:31.06 | pumpkin0 | mbrush: 1.5GB RAM, 4GB swap. |
| 07:31.27 | mbrush | and you're using s2disk? |
| 07:31.53 | pumpkin0 | pm-suspend and s2disk fail in the same way: the initrd touches the fs before resuming. |
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| 07:36.43 | mbrush | pumkin0: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ is the answer to your question anyway, sorry I can't help |
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| 07:40.18 | pumpkin0 | so basicly: nobody is using experimental or unstable to test stuff, Just nod and hope. Lenny has a 100% deadly bug and the newssites are talking about the release of lenny in the next weeks/months (in freeze already?). I can't use stable cause it has it's share of odd bugs in the more rarely used packages. Now explain me why i should use it at all. I have time, the backup-rollback will take 2-3 hours. |
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| 07:42.54 | liable | pumpkin0: just send an email to submit@bugs.debian.org |
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| 07:43.23 | liable | pumpkin0: see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting for the format it needs to be in |
| 07:44.22 | pumpkin0 | liable: how? "The exact and complete text of any error messages printed or logged. This is very important!" is nice if the fs is still mountable... |
| 07:44.39 | mbrush | pumkin0: You can't really judge a distro based on the fact that experimental code is not working |
| 07:44.45 | liable | pumpkin0: well obviously you have a good reason not to be able to supply that.. |
| 07:44.52 | pumpkin0 | liable: :) |
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| 07:45.47 | liable | and obviously you want to mark it RC |
| 07:46.25 | pumpkin0 | mbrush: it is lenny. The nearly frozen release candidate. You don't except a bug like that from a RC. I can put up with this stuff in experimental and sid. Or even testing just after a new stable. But not at this time in the release cycle. |
| 07:46.45 | pumpkin0 | liable: ... RC ? sorry, i don't get that. |
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| 07:47.13 | liable | stop arguing, and start writing that email RC= release-critical |
| 07:47.45 | Piper69 | mbrush: i am stuck pressing 'y' for ever i think now. it is telling me inode something something should be this insteade of this clear it [y] |
| 07:47.55 | liable | actually, dunno if thats an actual severity, mark it critical |
| 07:48.19 | pumpkin0 | liable: writing. My email-accounts are back in 2.5 hours. dd'ing over the backup takes some time. |
| 07:48.35 | mbrush | Piper69: If it were me, I'd keep pressing yes or rerun fsck with an option to autofix |
| 07:48.55 | mac123 | hello i need help in opening tar.bz2 file whenever is do tar xvjpf file.tar.bz2 i get error |
| 07:48.58 | Piper69 | what is that option |
| 07:49.12 | liable | pumpkin0: you dont have an account on another box? |
| 07:49.13 | mbrush | -y |
| 07:49.17 | liable | gmail? |
| 07:49.22 | Piper69 | thought so |
| 07:49.39 | mbrush | mac123: what error? |
| 07:49.40 | pumpkin0 | liable: well... i need my passwords. |
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| 07:49.51 | mac123 | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 07:49.51 | mac123 | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 07:49.51 | mac123 | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 07:49.51 | mac123 | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 07:50.07 | mac123 | is get those error |
| 07:50.09 | liable | mac123: so install bzip2 |
| 07:50.10 | mbrush | mac123: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 07:50.42 | mac123 | thx mbrush its working now :) |
| 07:51.40 | mbrush | np |
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| 08:03.49 | scribeskul | Hello! New Debian user here! Everything installed successfully! yay! haha! |
| 08:04.58 | Amse | xDD |
| 08:05.05 | Amse | Congrats |
| 08:05.29 | scribeskul | So, um, one question... any advice on antivirus utilities? I've heard Clam was a good way to go |
| 08:05.59 | Piper69 | mbrush: fsck is done, now i booted and this time i get grub error 15 |
| 08:06.04 | giacomo_carissim | wuts antivirus? |
| 08:06.15 | liable | scribeskul: unless you are running a mail server, you dont really need one. |
| 08:06.34 | giacomo_carissim | http://pastebin.com/m56925b5 |
| 08:06.46 | giacomo_carissim | still no luck with xorg |
| 08:06.47 | giacomo_carissim | :( |
| 08:06.49 | scribeskul | Oh. my bad. haha. |
| 08:07.39 | scribeskul | any reason why? shortage of virii written for linux? (forgive the question, but I always wondered about this) |
| 08:08.04 | giacomo_carissim | p much |
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| 08:08.26 | giacomo_carissim | so download as much porn as you want, and if you get a virus, ill digg the post |
| 08:08.42 | scribeskul | ehh, I prefer the streaming porn anyways haha |
| 08:09.22 | vlt | Hello. I mounted my /tmp with option "noexec". Now I realised that this causes problems when running `apt-get upgrade`: I get error messages while configuring the updated packages. |
| 08:09.35 | vlt | Is there a way to remove the noexec option? |
| 08:10.12 | scribeskul | I gotta say, this is so far, BY FAR, the best distro I've tinkered with. I migrated it as my main system tonight. Everything was as smooth as butta'. |
| 08:10.40 | pumpkin0 | vlt: "mount -o remount,exec /tmp". And remove the noexec from /etc/fstab |
| 08:10.47 | giacomo_carissim | from what scribeskul |
| 08:11.01 | vlt | pumpkin0: Thank you, I'll try that. |
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| 08:11.39 | scribeskul | I had my main system as XP, and I was running ArchLinux on my laptop. I never could get rid of windows through the years (mainly because of games, etc). Been using Microsoft products since Dos. |
| 08:12.13 | giacomo_carissim | ah |
| 08:12.17 | giacomo_carissim | how do you like archlinux? |
| 08:12.21 | scribeskul | Right now XP is no more, Deb is my main OS, and I still have arch on the laptop |
| 08:12.52 | vlt | pumpkin0: Cool. It works. Seems as if I can set exec everytime I need to and then set it back. Thank you. |
| 08:12.54 | scribeskul | Arch was great! I had a few problems with the newer release on my Dell Latitude. I may put XP on the latitude as a backup...or perhaps just try another distro on it |
| 08:13.14 | giacomo_carissim | well how do you like arch... cause i was in a pickle trying to decide between debian and arch for my laptop |
| 08:13.27 | scribeskul | Arch will run much better, I feel, on older hardware |
| 08:13.45 | scribeskul | Also, arch gives you one of the BAREST systems yet, i think. |
| 08:13.53 | giacomo_carissim | oh, i mean, the laptop is only 3 or 4 years old |
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| 08:14.23 | scribeskul | Though I don't have ALOT of experience with different distros. ArchLinux was stable for me as well... Debian has far less configuration though. |
| 08:14.38 | giacomo_carissim | configuration, what do you mean? |
| 08:14.58 | scribeskul | Far less user involvement in the install |
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| 08:15.57 | scribeskul | ArchLinux may require some configuration, is what i mean, after the install. ArchLinux uses pacman for its package management...makes a great CLI machine, though I have nothing to compare it too, since I never installed XWindows on my archlinux system |
| 08:16.39 | scribeskul | as for Debian, my experience tonight is: 1 hour ago I installed it, and right now I'm using it. |
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| 08:18.06 | giacomo_carissim | haha, sweet |
| 08:18.09 | giacomo_carissim | yeah, i like debian |
| 08:18.11 | scribeskul | Hope I could be of some help, though I'm really just a beginner in the great Linux Universe, compared to some people. I can get by, but I still have a lot to learn. I've been a Microsoft product user since the days of Dos 6.11 |
| 08:18.44 | giacomo_carissim | i remember playing paperboy on dos |
| 08:18.51 | giacomo_carissim | when i was a kid |
| 08:18.52 | giacomo_carissim | haha |
| 08:19.23 | scribeskul | Man, I remember Ultima 7! I had to edit a lot to get that to run on my old 386 with 32 megs of ram haha |
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| 08:19.41 | scribeskul | emm386.exe noems, etc.. haha |
| 08:20.15 | giacomo_carissim | hahah |
| 08:20.29 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: did you get x working? |
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| 08:21.19 | scribeskul | man, i am LOVING debian. this is such a smooth OS build. |
| 08:21.41 | Piper69 | how do i fix grub error 15 |
| 08:22.17 | mbrush | Piper69: "This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK. " |
| 08:23.10 | Piper69 | mbrush: well i did the fsck and i did update-grub i don;t know what elso to do |
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| 08:23.36 | giacomo_carissim | mbrush: |
| 08:23.38 | giacomo_carissim | no i did not |
| 08:23.55 | mbrush | Piper69: go to grub console and type find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 08:24.07 | giacomo_carissim | my xorg.conf is kinda plain though... and i can't run X -configure |
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| 08:24.42 | giacomo_carissim | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't change/let me change anything about my card |
| 08:24.48 | giacomo_carissim | it just asks me about keyboard |
| 08:25.10 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: I think that's missing from debian's dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg IIRC ... |
| 08:25.26 | giacomo_carissim | :psyduck: |
| 08:25.29 | giacomo_carissim | that's not cool |
| 08:25.51 | scribeskul | anyone wanna join me in a post-debian-install beer? I got LandShark haha |
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| 08:26.14 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: can you find the driver using lsmod and then remove it |
| 08:26.38 | giacomo_carissim | haha, i have milwaukee's best ice... 32oz |
| 08:26.52 | giacomo_carissim | that's what i've wanted to do mbrush, lets see |
| 08:27.17 | mbrush | lsmod and look for ati or something |
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| 08:27.47 | giacomo_carissim | i did a grep for both ati and radeon and neither came back with anything about the graphics card |
| 08:28.07 | mbrush | what if you scan it for something "model" related |
| 08:28.10 | Guerin | i have beer I made myself, an attempt at hoegaarden, for my wife |
| 08:28.13 | mbrush | lsmod | more |
| 08:28.35 | Guerin | though it must be said that completing a debian install isn't enough work to deserve a beer |
| 08:28.41 | giacomo_carissim | ill give it a shot |
| 08:29.05 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: is it called gfx or something? |
| 08:29.11 | scribeskul | Guerin: Oh I agree, it was the EASIEST distro I ever installed. I'm celebrating because i no longer have XP as my main system to depend on. |
| 08:29.15 | scribeskul | :) |
| 08:29.22 | Guerin | that's worth celebrating |
| 08:29.29 | giacomo_carissim | no luck with gfx either |
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| 08:29.58 | mbrush | I'm not sure ... I have an "nvidia" module though :) |
| 08:30.13 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: glrfx or something? |
| 08:31.24 | giacomo_carissim | i tried video |
| 08:31.34 | giacomo_carissim | and i got back: |
| 08:31.55 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: try fglrx |
| 08:32.30 | giacomo_carissim | video 16400 0 |
| 08:32.30 | giacomo_carissim | output 2912 1 video |
| 08:32.30 | giacomo_carissim | thermal_sys 10856 4 video,thermal,processor,fan |
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| 08:32.37 | giacomo_carissim | nothing came up under fglrx either |
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| 08:33.19 | mbrush | what is output of 'ls /etc/X11 | grep xorg.*' |
| 08:33.25 | mbrush | is there a backup you can revert to? |
| 08:34.05 | giacomo_carissim | i didn't back it up before installing the ati driver :( |
| 08:34.14 | giacomo_carissim | i still have the cd if it was possible to take it from there |
| 08:34.17 | mbrush | there might still be a backup |
| 08:34.35 | mbrush | can you pastebin your xorg.conf? |
| 08:34.42 | giacomo_carissim | ok, hold on |
| 08:34.50 | giacomo_carissim | http://pastebin.com/m26485715 |
| 08:34.55 | giacomo_carissim | my xorg.conf |
| 08:34.58 | scribeskul | I am rooting for you giacomo! |
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| 08:35.29 | giacomo_carissim | haha |
| 08:35.36 | giacomo_carissim | how, clever |
| 08:36.14 | giacomo_carissim | but do you see what im talking about? it's just... blank |
| 08:36.19 | scribeskul | clever is my middle name... ScribeSkul Clever McFinnigan |
| 08:36.44 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: what if you put |
| 08:36.45 | mbrush | Driver "ati" |
| 08:36.45 | mbrush | under the Identifier "Configured Video Device" line |
| 08:37.13 | mbrush | or maybe Driver "vesa" or something? |
| 08:37.28 | giacomo_carissim | ill give it a shot |
| 08:37.46 | giacomo_carissim | i tried to do Driver "radeon" but i guess i should have tried ati |
| 08:38.02 | giacomo_carissim | mmm, X still won't start, ill try vesa |
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| 08:38.43 | scribeskul | I hope I'm not intruding, isn't there a way to have X autoconfigure the xorg.conf file? |
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| 08:38.52 | giacomo_carissim | vesa worked.... |
| 08:38.57 | mbrush | sweet |
| 08:39.03 | scribeskul | ahh nevermind. awesome. |
| 08:39.37 | giacomo_carissim | yes, it should autoconfigure, but it won't for some reason |
| 08:39.41 | mbrush | scribeskul: i thought dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg used to help with configuring video, but last time i tried it didn't |
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| 08:39.57 | giacomo_carissim | yeah, it didn't do it for me either.. :( |
| 08:40.09 | giacomo_carissim | i thought someone said it was broke in debian or something |
| 08:40.18 | scribeskul | my bad. Glad it worked under Vesa for you though! |
| 08:40.46 | giacomo_carissim | but now what should i do? edit my xorg.conf file all by hand? |
| 08:40.49 | giacomo_carissim | this won't be fun |
| 08:40.58 | scribeskul | back that baby up before-'hand' hehe |
| 08:41.09 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: did you try envy from the cli ? |
| 08:41.12 | giacomo_carissim | ill see if envyng |
| 08:41.22 | giacomo_carissim | no i haven't, and i dont think i know how to do that either |
| 08:41.24 | mbrush | now you can use the gui!! |
| 08:41.30 | giacomo_carissim | i know, right :) |
| 08:41.48 | giacomo_carissim | is envyng in the repos for lenny? |
| 08:42.06 | giacomo_carissim | is there a way to use etch repos in lenny, or even ubuntu repos? |
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| 08:42.51 | snakeoil | My /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid but i am wondering why there is no icedove 3.x available but only icedove 2.0 ? |
| 08:42.59 | giacomo_carissim | hmm, should i use envy legacy or envyng? |
| 08:43.13 | giacomo_carissim | what's icedove? |
| 08:43.16 | mbrush | giacomo_carissim: not sure I only used it once |
| 08:43.17 | scribeskul | hmm...torrents seem to d/l a bit slow. I'll have to see what the story is with that... |
| 08:43.26 | snakeoil | icedove is firefox |
| 08:43.37 | scribeskul | iceweasel is firefox as well |
| 08:43.44 | snakeoil | oh |
| 08:43.46 | giacomo_carissim | kinda like iceweasel is firefox |
| 08:43.52 | giacomo_carissim | oh |
| 08:43.53 | snakeoil | i got confused and mixed them up |
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| 08:43.57 | giacomo_carissim | mystery solved |
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| 08:44.29 | scribeskul | they both use the same engine |
| 08:44.37 | snakeoil | but still, there is only iceweasel 2.0 avialable for lenny but i am looking for 3.x |
| 08:44.39 | giacomo_carissim | i didn't know what icedove was |
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| 08:44.52 | mbrush | is icedove a browser too? |
| 08:44.54 | giacomo_carissim | lenny rc1 came with 3.0.3 |
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| 08:45.07 | scribeskul | icedove may be an email client (like thunderbird) perhaps? |
| 08:45.17 | snakeoil | mbrush, no icedove is mozilla thunderbird the email client |
| 08:45.24 | mbrush | ah |
| 08:45.31 | snakeoil | i just mixed them up, sorry for that |
| 08:45.35 | scorche | icedove = thunderbird |
| 08:45.35 | giacomo_carissim | more mysteries solved |
| 08:45.44 | mbrush | I only use web-based email :) |
| 08:45.45 | scorche | icecat = firefox |
| 08:46.24 | scribeskul | IceWeasel & Firefox walk into a bar...stop me if you've heard this one... |
| 08:46.24 | scorche | the GNU version anyway |
| 08:47.06 | snakeoil | scorch, you confuse me! iceweasel = firefox . i do not have any package called icecat avilable in my apt-cache |
| 08:47.26 | giacomo_carissim | yeah, thunderbird was fun for a while, but i like to check me email from lots of different places and it seemed dumb to download all my emails to my hd |
| 08:47.43 | scorche | right...iceweasel is firefox too ;) |
| 08:47.43 | giacomo_carissim | icecat |
| 08:47.52 | mbrush | "Gnuzilla is the GNU version of the Mozilla suite, and GNU IceCat is the GNU version of the Firefox browser. Its main advantage is an ethical one: it is entirely free software. While the source code from the Mozilla project is free software, the binaries that they release include additional non-free software. Also, they distribute and recommend non-free software as plug-ins." |
| 08:47.53 | scorche | icecat is the GNU version |
| 08:47.55 | scribeskul | any suggestions for a torrent client, or why the default one is so slow... am I missing a setting somewhere, or is it just more anal about incomming connections (because its Deb and not XP) |
| 08:48.20 | scribeskul | well put mbrush |
| 08:48.26 | scorche | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/iceweasel |
| 08:48.26 | mbrush | from gnu.org |
| 08:48.35 | scorche | certainly looks like 3.0.0-3 is in lenny... |
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| 08:49.23 | giacomo_carissim | lenny isn't supported by envy legacy and therefore it refuses to work :( |
| 08:49.24 | snakeoil | scorch, you are right. is my apt/sources.list wrong ? deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
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| 08:49.52 | snakeoil | scribeskul, i use and love console based "rtorrent" |
| 08:49.56 | Piper69 | mbrush: in grub> i did find /boot/grub/stage1 and i got ERROR 15 :no file found |
| 08:50.18 | scribeskul | rtorrent eh... I'll give it the ol' college try! :) |
| 08:50.25 | snakeoil | http://freshmeat.net/projects/rtorrent/ |
| 08:50.37 | mbrush | Piper69: like I said before I think you hosed your FS ... I'd be looking at ways to recover the data ... |
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| 08:51.00 | mbrush | Piper69: just my opinion |
| 08:51.05 | giacomo_carissim | oh, maybe running aticonfig --initial will help write everything to my xorg.conf... ill restart X and see now :))) |
| 08:51.22 | Piper69 | oh fuck |
| 08:51.39 | mbrush | yeah, bummer ... it might be fixable, but I don't know how |
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| 08:53.05 | giacomo_carissim | scribeskul: i like azureus/vuze |
| 08:53.34 | mbrush | cat /dev/hda1 > /some/place/not/on/hda1/backup.img will make a backup image and you can try and mount it and see what's on there? I have no idea, I'm just suggesting stuff |
| 08:53.40 | scribeskul | is there a utorrent for linux i wonder? Anyone tried it if there is? I used to use it on XP and it rocked. |
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| 08:54.47 | mbrush | Piper69: what is your physical drive configuration? like how many drives connected to what channels and as master/slave |
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| 08:56.31 | giacomo_carissim | im going to switch back over to my debian system for this irc |
| 08:56.39 | giacomo_carissim | cause i think i got this gfx problem fixed |
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| 08:56.50 | scribeskul | rockin'.. cheers! |
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| 08:57.30 | giacomo_c | booya! |
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| 08:58.21 | scribeskul | alright! giacomo_c's enjoying himself and I got some amon amarth blazing down at 200K. happy days are here again. haha. |
| 08:58.44 | giacomo_c | i really like iceweasel... i was kinda pissed that i didn't have firefox at first, but then i found out all the firefox stuff works with iceweasel exactly the same |
| 08:58.59 | jelly-hme | scribeskul: rtorrent has horrible keybindings, but is nice otherwise |
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| 08:59.50 | giacomo_c | http://pastebin.com/dc3436db |
| 08:59.57 | giacomo_c | that's how my xorg.conf file is now, thank god |
| 09:00.08 | scribeskul | jolly-hme: I'll give it a try here in a few! Right now I'm just running through GNOME's bit client. too basic for my needs, but getting the job done so far. Thanks for the suggestion, since there's like 20000 packages available for download haha. |
| 09:00.34 | mbrush | giacomo_c: back it up now! |
| 09:00.51 | giacomo_c | hahaha, good god, im going to back it up and then im going to email the file to myself a few times |
| 09:01.05 | mbrush | that's exactly what i did when i had an ATI |
| 09:01.25 | scribeskul | giacomo_c: then you should write it don, word for word, and put it in a safe deposit box at your bank. |
| 09:01.31 | scribeskul | hehe |
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| 09:02.00 | giacomo_c | haha |
| 09:02.07 | giacomo_c | i might have to |
| 09:02.15 | scribeskul | :0 |
| 09:02.17 | scribeskul | :) |
| 09:02.18 | Piper69 | mbrush: i have to 2 HDD |
| 09:02.31 | giacomo_c | to 2? |
| 09:02.46 | scribeskul | to 2, for 4, sex 6, ate 8 |
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| 09:03.08 | mbrush | Piper69: I would try removing all but the one with the problem to make sure they aren't being confused |
| 09:03.10 | Piper69 | mbrush: i just did cfdisk and i say that its ext2 |
| 09:04.25 | Piper69 | scribeskul: why the 6 got mad at 7? |
| 09:04.52 | scribeskul | i don't know..why? |
| 09:04.56 | Piper69 | Because 7 ate 9....lol |
| 09:05.08 | scribeskul | boooo |
| 09:05.08 | scribeskul | hehe |
| 09:05.18 | giacomo_c | now im going to work on getting wine... that shouldn't be too hard :psyduck: |
| 09:05.53 | scribeskul | man...even the sound sounds better on debian |
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| 09:05.57 | mbrush | Piper69: You just did that IRC thing I was asking about earlier |
| 09:06.17 | Piper69 | oh |
| 09:06.38 | Piper69 | do ~/me then what ever you want |
| 09:06.47 | Piper69 | without the ~ |
| 09:06.58 | mbrush | hello |
| 09:07.08 | Piper69 | there you go! |
| 09:07.11 | mbrush | learned something new |
| 09:07.18 | mbrush | I'm gonna be so annoying now! |
| 09:07.37 | Piper69 | actually two things |
| 09:08.20 | Piper69 | mbrush: and you know how to ask the bot right? |
| 09:08.31 | mbrush | erm ... I did at one point |
| 09:08.34 | mbrush | ! |
| 09:08.40 | scribeskul | is Debian pretty much secure right out of the cd (box)? So I really don't need antivirus, etc, that sort of thing? (and yes, this is a serious question haha) |
| 09:08.52 | Piper69 | mbrush: you use that and abrotman will kill you |
| 09:09.10 | Piper69 | mbrush: use /msg dpkg |
| 09:09.16 | giacomo_c | linux is p much secure right out of the box |
| 09:09.17 | giacomo_c | i mean |
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| 09:09.23 | giacomo_c | you're not really going to get a linux virus |
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| 09:09.35 | giacomo_c | unless you're running a corp server or a mail server |
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| 09:09.53 | Piper69 | mbrush: just like you can use /msg nickname for private messages (PM) |
| 09:09.54 | jsaak | no antivirus needed, built in firewall, there are some dangerous software in it however |
| 09:09.55 | giacomo_c | and if you're worried about intruder, you could use firestarter, a frontend for iptables if you wanted |
| 09:10.09 | er4z0r | hi there i had a problem during apt -get update today:http://pastebin.com/d21d455c8 |
| 09:10.17 | er4z0r | anyone got an idea |
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| 09:10.30 | miengs | hi. ive got un issue with apt-get |
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| 09:10.44 | er4z0r | miengs: that is two of us |
| 09:10.48 | er4z0r | what is your problem? |
| 09:11.00 | miengs | i try to install ejabberd and it wont let me |
| 09:11.07 | scribeskul | awesome. So far I am happier than I have been for a while with an OS. Running it on a 2.8GHz with 2 Gig RAM, 70GIG / and a 250GIG /home, and a 2GIG swap. |
| 09:11.14 | miengs | it says: ... |
| 09:11.25 | er4z0r | miengs: how does "won't let me |
| 09:11.39 | er4z0r | lokk like |
| 09:11.49 | miengs | Not Replacing deleted config file config file /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.cfg |
| 09:12.13 | er4z0r | miengs: did you have an ejabberd installation before that? |
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| 09:12.21 | miengs | chown: cannot access '/etc/ejabberd/ejab...*' No such file or directory |
| 09:12.24 | miengs | yes |
| 09:12.34 | miengs | i tryed to reinstall it |
| 09:12.41 | miengs | becaus the config file was missing |
| 09:13.06 | er4z0r | miengs: completely missing from the package? |
| 09:13.12 | miengs | nope |
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| 09:13.24 | miengs | i had it once |
| 09:13.39 | miengs | just dont know were it went :D |
| 09:14.56 | er4z0r | hey, now taht is nice |
| 09:15.27 | jelly-hme | !tell miengs -about confmiss |
| 09:15.29 | er4z0r | miengs: where deoes the package come from an d what version is it? |
| 09:16.14 | miengs | how can i fugure that out? :) |
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| 09:16.29 | scribeskul | I think it's Wierd Al time...UHF, here I come |
| 09:16.54 | mbrush | could you remove/purge and install from scratch? |
| 09:17.01 | er4z0r | miengs: do an apt-cache policy ejabberd |
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| 09:17.38 | mu-dev | miengs the answer to your question depends on what you already know and/or understand |
| 09:18.07 | er4z0r | would install ejabberd from source |
| 09:18.18 | er4z0r | i use ubuntu and even their package is outdated |
| 09:18.34 | giacomo_c | how can i see what version of debian i have and what kernel? from the command line? |
| 09:18.48 | miengs | http://ftp.sunet.se etch/main Packages - vertion 1.1.2-6 0 |
| 09:18.52 | mu-dev | uname -r |
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| 09:19.03 | giacomo_c | ah, thnx |
| 09:19.03 | mu-dev | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:19.19 | er4z0r | miengs: forget taht package |
| 09:19.38 | er4z0r | miengs: it is way too old. ejabberd is currently 2.0.2 |
| 09:19.49 | er4z0r | miengs: i reccomend you install it from source |
| 09:20.14 | miengs | without apt-get? |
| 09:20.14 | mu-dev | that's your choice... note that if you do build yourself you have yourself as maintainer :) |
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| 09:20.50 | er4z0r | which migth still be better than having an oudated veriosn |
| 09:20.53 | jelly-hme | miengs: I'd recommend taking a look at backports.org first |
| 09:20.55 | er4z0r | depding on your knowlede |
| 09:21.07 | mu-dev | that depends... what's wrong with the old one? |
| 09:21.08 | jelly-hme | judd: versions ejabberd |
| 09:21.08 | er4z0r | jelly-hme: fair point |
| 09:21.10 | judd | jelly-hme: ejabberd: 1.1.2-6 (etch) 2.0.1-5~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.0.1-5 (lenny) 2.0.1-5 (sid) 2.0.2-2 (experimental) |
| 09:22.01 | er4z0r | ok the backports one should do |
| 09:22.50 | er4z0r | as far as i remember there wher quite some fixes from 1.1.2 to 1.1.4 (which actually was a security patch release) |
| 09:23.17 | scribeskul | Isn't there a screensaver package for gnome that includes like a million different ones hehe' |
| 09:23.35 | jelly-hme | as far as I remember debian takes care of security issues |
| 09:23.53 | er4z0r | miengs: take jelly-hme's advice and use the backport |
| 09:24.02 | er4z0r | stupid me completely forgot about those |
| 09:24.14 | miengs | yeah. im trying now :D |
| 09:24.19 | er4z0r | went down the stony road of self compilation |
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| 09:26.39 | Piper69 | jelly-hme: how are you |
| 09:27.20 | er4z0r | again does anyoune have an idea about this: http://pastebin.com/d21d455c8 |
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| 09:28.06 | Piper69 | mbrush: i can't find /boot |
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| 09:28.48 | mbrush | Piper69: are there other files? |
| 09:29.00 | Piper69 | oh yeah |
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| 09:30.08 | mbrush | Piper69: are they your linux installation? |
| 09:30.29 | Piper69 | mbrush: what do you mean ? |
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| 09:30.41 | mbrush | like vmlinuz /etc /bin and so on |
| 09:31.04 | Piper69 | mbrush: yes...... |
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| 09:31.24 | Piper69 | mbrush: am really confused using this Knoppix cd |
| 09:31.49 | Piper69 | i don't know when i cd / is that my / or that cd / |
| 09:32.38 | mbrush | Piper69: I don't think it will mount your hard drive by default ... so / is either in RAM on on the CD i would assume |
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| 09:34.05 | miengs | thanks for the help! backports works great! :D |
| 09:34.15 | er4z0r | Piper69: that is the root of the Knoppix Distro |
| 09:34.24 | Piper69 | mbrush: then ok , i have a question...when i do grub and when i try to find the /boot/grub/stage1 how does it know that it should look in my fs and not the ram |
| 09:34.26 | er4z0r | has nothing to do with your hdd |
| 09:34.50 | er4z0r | erm don't you usually chroot for that? |
| 09:35.10 | Piper69 | er4z0r: well i am trying to fix my gtub error 15 |
| 09:35.21 | mbrush | Piper69: I think Grub reads the bios, which would not recognize your RAM disk .... I'm no expert though |
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| 09:35.40 | er4z0r | it shoudl work like this i think: mount your root to /mnt |
| 09:35.49 | er4z0r | Piper69: habve you checked what error 15 is? |
| 09:35.52 | mbrush | try mounting /dev/hda1 to /mnt then do chroot /mnt/hda1 grub-install /dev/hda |
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| 09:36.13 | er4z0r | mbrush: thats what i meant to say |
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| 09:36.15 | mbrush | wait, make that chroot /mnt |
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| 09:36.21 | mbrush | not /mnt/hda1 |
| 09:36.30 | Piper69 | what |
| 09:36.46 | er4z0r | Piper69: you mount it to /mnt |
| 09:36.46 | mbrush | mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 09:36.52 | mbrush | then |
| 09:36.53 | er4z0r | and you chroot to /mnt |
| 09:37.05 | mbrush | chroot /mnt grub-install /dev/hda |
| 09:38.01 | er4z0r | Piper69: what this basically does is change your working environment to /mnt (which is now your /) and install grup on the correct drive |
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| 09:40.05 | Piper69 | mbrush: when i did mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt . it return that it is already mounter |
| 09:40.27 | mbrush | type 'mount | grep /dev/hda1' |
| 09:40.27 | Piper69 | how can i unmount it ...just umount /dev/hda1 |
| 09:40.31 | mbrush | yep |
| 09:40.39 | mbrush | or just use it where it's mounted |
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| 09:41.27 | er4z0r | mbrush: i think that will fail as knoppix mounts hda1 with -roi |
| 09:41.34 | er4z0r | -ro |
| 09:41.48 | mbrush | ok, so then umount it and remount it |
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| 09:44.09 | Piper69 | mbrush: i was able to mount it |
| 09:44.24 | Piper69 | but when i chroot /mnt i got no such dir |
| 09:44.44 | mbrush | where did you mount it too? mount | grep hda1 |
| 09:44.59 | Piper69 | there |
| 09:45.05 | mbrush | to /mnt? |
| 09:45.11 | Piper69 | yes |
| 09:45.40 | mbrush | Piper69: are you SURE linux is installed on this hard drive? |
| 09:45.43 | er4z0r | Piper69: show us please the exact reuslt of cat /etc/mtab | grep hda1 |
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| 09:46.47 | miengs | hi again, im trying to run dpkg-reconfigure ejabberd, but it bails out telling me: Can't register admin user "mien@int". Ejabberd is starting too long |
| 09:47.15 | miengs | and /etc/init.d/ejabberd start tells me ejabberd is starting up, but it is not... |
| 09:48.31 | er4z0r | miengs: ps aux | grep ejabberd |
| 09:48.35 | er4z0r | what does that tell you? |
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| 09:49.39 | Thomas_ | Hi, what is the "restart" command for shutting down the computer and start it up again? |
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| 09:49.52 | mbrush | shutdown -r now |
| 09:49.58 | miengs | haha. a lot of digits :)I |
| 09:50.02 | Thomas_ | mbrush, and then it restarts ? |
| 09:50.07 | miengs | what am i supoused to look for? |
| 09:50.11 | mbrush | try it and see :) |
| 09:50.22 | miengs | cus, i cant realy copy and paste... |
| 09:50.28 | miengs | difrent workstations :D |
| 09:50.30 | gerry` | Can I get some help with VNC? I setup the server but when I try to connect to it..it says connection refused. How can I find out what port i need to be connecting on or if the server is online? |
| 09:50.37 | Piper69 | er4z0r: /dev/hda1 /mnt ext2 rw 0 0 |
| 09:51.03 | mbrush | Piper69: what is the output of ' ls /mnt | grep vmlinuz' |
| 09:51.07 | er4z0r | Piper69: well that looks good |
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| 09:51.34 | gerry` | vnc4server is the package I installed. |
| 09:51.41 | Piper69 | and still when i do chroot /mnt i got chroot:cannot run command '/bin/bash': no such dir |
| 09:52.06 | er4z0r | miengs: what you just did is list all running processes and search the list for ejabberd |
| 09:52.15 | mbrush | Piper69: wwhat is the output of ' ls /mnt | grep vmlinuz ' |
| 09:52.55 | Piper69 | 1 sec |
| 09:53.29 | miengs | well. yes. its there |
| 09:53.39 | gerry` | can somebody help me please? |
| 09:53.42 | miengs | two of them actualy |
| 09:54.01 | miengs | /usr/lib/erlang it says |
| 09:54.18 | Piper69 | nothing is there |
| 09:54.29 | phorce1 | gerry`: start by trying 5900 and work your way up (5901, 5902, ...) |
| 09:54.31 | mbrush | Piper69: ok, so linux is not installed on that drive |
| 09:54.43 | Piper69 | what the fuck |
| 09:54.48 | gerry` | kk |
| 09:54.48 | mbrush | indeed |
| 09:54.49 | er4z0r | miengs: that sounds like you already had an ejabberd running |
| 09:54.50 | Piper69 | how come |
| 09:55.03 | Piper69 | i was using it this morning |
| 09:55.11 | mbrush | wrong drive, maybe you hosed it when you were fdisking, etc, etc |
| 09:55.19 | er4z0r | wrong _partition_ |
| 09:55.24 | mbrush | or that |
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| 09:56.35 | miengs | but /etc/init.d/ejabberd stop says: ejabber already stoped |
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| 09:56.46 | gerry` | phorce1, i tried up until 10..no luck |
| 09:56.46 | gerry` | how can i check to see if its running? |
| 09:56.46 | phorce1 | so, have you ever HEARD, audibly, a hard drive crash? I did earlier tonight. 750G drive that had only 7G free space left on it. |
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| 09:56.47 | phorce1 | gerry`: no idea, I just know that vncserver uses 5900+display number |
| 09:56.53 | gerry` | oo |
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| 09:57.01 | phorce1 | I haven't actually run it in a while now |
| 09:57.03 | gerry` | so use port+displaynumberhere? |
| 09:57.11 | mbrush | Last time I used it I just type the IP address |
| 09:57.20 | er4z0r | miengs: kill the erlang processes |
| 09:57.34 | Piper69 | mbrush: er4z0r : fdisk -l '/dev/hda1 linux | /dev/hda2 Extended | /dev/hda5 linux /solaris |
| 09:57.39 | er4z0r | miengs: then do the dpkg-reconfigure ejabberd |
| 09:57.42 | gerry` | phorce1, New 'mikef:1 (bubblegum)' desktop is mikef:1 |
| 09:57.50 | phorce1 | gerry`: 5900 would be display0, 5901 would be display1 --- that's why I said start at 5900 and work up. |
| 09:58.00 | er4z0r | Piper69: well then |
| 09:58.00 | gerry` | :x |
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| 09:58.12 | gerry` | phorce1, i need port 5901 then? |
| 09:58.14 | er4z0r | Piper69: try the whole mount chroot thin with hda5 |
| 09:58.19 | miengs | killall ejabberd : no proces killed |
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| 09:58.27 | Piper69 | k |
| 09:58.28 | mbrush | Piper69: usually /dev/hda5 should be linux/swap if it is infact swap partition |
| 09:58.30 | phorce1 | gerry`: that should be 5901 |
| 09:58.38 | er4z0r | miengs: I guess it won't be named ejabbed |
| 09:58.46 | gerry` | how can i shutdown and restart my vnc server? |
| 09:58.57 | Piper69 | er4z0r: yes yes it is i type it wrong |
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| 09:59.27 | er4z0r | miengs: try the ps aux | grep ejabberd stuff again |
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| 09:59.37 | Piper69 | er4z0r: so yu still want me to mount it again with hda5 |
| 09:59.57 | phorce1 | gerry`: look in /etc/init.d/ for a start/stop script and run it with 'stop' then with 'start' |
| 09:59.57 | mbrush | Piper69: is hda5 a swap partition? |
| 10:00.08 | Piper69 | mbrush: yes |
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| 10:00.27 | er4z0r | Piper69: ok then of course don't mount thaty |
| 10:00.33 | miengs | thx |
| 10:00.38 | miengs | worked! |
| 10:00.48 | mbrush | Piper69: it still sounds to me like you totally jacked your drive/partition or are using the wrong hard drive |
| 10:00.57 | er4z0r | miengs: and the dpkg-reconfigure also workedà |
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| 10:01.18 | mbrush | Piper69: what is the output of ' ls /mnt ' with /dev/hda1 mounted there? |
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| 10:01.27 | mbrush | are there any files on it? |
| 10:01.44 | Piper69 | just lost+found |
| 10:01.57 | mbrush | yeah, i think you nuked it (if it's not the wrong drive) |
| 10:02.06 | Piper69 | which sound alot to me like the new drive i added last night |
| 10:02.19 | mbrush | so swap drives |
| 10:02.23 | gerry` | http://pastebin.ca/1256012 |
| 10:02.35 | gerry` | phorce1, ^ |
| 10:02.42 | Piper69 | when you say swap what you mean |
| 10:03.02 | mbrush | literally change your two hard drives, unhook one and hookup the other |
| 10:03.07 | Piper69 | both drives were working , untill i reboot this morning |
| 10:04.07 | Piper69 | mbrush: i don't think it is physically. i think it is soft issue....because last night i rebooted and both worked fine |
| 10:04.52 | er4z0r | Piper69: and what happend between tha reboot last night and the first today? |
| 10:05.01 | phorce1 | gerry`: Nope, I don't see one there. You'll need to look for the man page for the vncserver you installed and check that then. |
| 10:05.10 | mbrush | Piper69: If you are CERTAIN that you are using the hard drive where linux was isntalled, then I would suggest looking at some data recovery software |
| 10:05.21 | er4z0r | Piper69: my guess you hooked in the new plate as master, which makes it hda, as theere is not linux on it it wont boot |
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| 10:05.49 | mbrush | which is why I said to unhook all but the suspect drive in the first place |
| 10:05.52 | er4z0r | Piper69: so shutdown the machine. check your master /slave settings and make sure the right disk is jumpered masterm |
| 10:06.00 | gerry` | alright, thanks phorce1 |
| 10:06.12 | er4z0r | mbrush: and you are are df. righta |
| 10:06.23 | mbrush | what's that? |
| 10:06.43 | mbrush | oh, forget it, I'm tired |
| 10:06.59 | mbrush | is going to bed now |
| 10:07.01 | er4z0r | mbrush: just problems with typing here (meant your are def. right) |
| 10:07.06 | mbrush | hehehe, night guys |
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| 10:07.23 | er4z0r | mbrush: sleep well r |
| 10:07.25 | phorce1 | yep, any time you make a hardware change and stuff stops working, put the hardware back the way it was when you started and test again |
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| 10:07.32 | er4z0r | Piper69: and back to you |
| 10:07.50 | er4z0r | Piper69: go check your hdd settings |
| 10:07.58 | Piper69 | er4z0r: i was trying to install a tv card and i did make install etc etc , then it wouldn;t boot since then..it mentioned something about failed exit with status 8 , and it booted to single user and asked for root password |
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| 10:08.31 | er4z0r | wtf |
| 10:08.58 | Piper69 | then i enterded and i had to leave when i came back, it was shutdown , my 15month turn it off |
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| 10:09.09 | phorce1 | you just completely changed the parameters of your original question |
| 10:09.31 | er4z0r | aye |
| 10:10.01 | Piper69 | *15moth old |
| 10:10.25 | phorce1 | so, you toasted the kernel install then your child did a hard shutdown while it was booted into maintenance mode. Ouch |
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| 10:11.07 | Piper69 | phorce1: yes sir, thats me! how better can it be ;) |
| 10:11.07 | er4z0r | oO *scratches head* |
| 10:11.29 | phorce1 | First thing, go ALL THE WAY BACK to the morning of 2 days ago. Open the box, pull out the NEW drive that you installed, pull out the TV card, see what you get at boot. |
| 10:11.31 | Piper69 | keep hitting his head on the wall |
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| 10:12.52 | phorce1 | just lost a 750G drive that was 99% full. Luckily, I didn't trust such a large drive in the first place so it only had multimedia files that I can replace (with a lot of downloading) |
| 10:13.24 | Piper69 | phorce1: lost you mean stolen |
| 10:13.27 | phorce1 | I actually HEARD it crash, with my ears. SQUEAL!!! |
| 10:13.27 | er4z0r | phorce1: this kinda drives is only good in a raid |
| 10:13.33 | phorce1 | no, it died |
| 10:13.42 | Piper69 | i can fix it |
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| 10:14.04 | jelly-hme | for a small sum of $250? |
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| 10:14.45 | phorce1 | Piper69: it's no longer found at boot time. Considering how loud it was I suspect the head actually crashed and scored the platter |
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| 10:15.33 | er4z0r | phorce1: congratiulations. supreme head crash ;-) |
| 10:16.03 | phorce1 | It's under warranty until 2012. I'll test it in another box just to be absolutely certain the controller didn't just stop driving the steper then I'll RMA it |
| 10:16.05 | Piper69 | phorce1: send it to me, if i fixed it i will burn all your media in dvds and send it back to u. if i didn't fix it you didn't loose anything |
| 10:16.07 | Piper69 | ;) |
| 10:16.26 | maligor | phorce1, what brand was it? |
| 10:16.36 | phorce1 | Piper69: yes, I would lose the drive. With warranty I get another drive |
| 10:16.37 | Piper69 | i am 76% confident i can fix it |
| 10:16.41 | phorce1 | maligor: seagate |
| 10:16.46 | jelly-hme | Piper69: except for a chance to get it to a real recovery business! |
| 10:16.49 | maligor | Pig Inside: Hear the squeal |
| 10:17.04 | maligor | s/the/it/ |
| 10:17.09 | phorce1 | maligor: barracuda IDE drive |
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| 10:18.08 | Piper69 | jelly-hme: oh well, am just tring to help |
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| 10:18.24 | Piper69 | returning a favor |
| 10:18.42 | phorce1 | I have another seagate here that I need to try to replace the electronics on to see if I can recover the data from it --- of course it's a 40Gig drive that lasted 8+ years before it died |
| 10:18.59 | er4z0r | heyhey rule that one out in query guys |
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| 10:19.32 | maligor | phorce1, I kinda doubt those would be compatible |
| 10:19.51 | er4z0r | Piper69: so what are you still doin here shouln't you be jacking hardware in and out off you machine ;-) |
| 10:19.57 | maligor | oh, replace the electronics on the 40g |
| 10:20.01 | phorce1 | maligor: I bought a box of the 40G drives off of EBay to try the electronics swap |
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| 10:20.45 | Piper69 | phorce1: so don't you think that a 40GB electronic component are little shy for a 750GB. |
| 10:20.58 | phorce1 | Piper69: See above |
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| 10:21.40 | Piper69 | put a farrari engine in a VW and see what will happen |
| 10:21.42 | phorce1 | Piper69: I have a dead 40 also. I have a box of working 40's. I need to try to revive the dead 40. The 750 I will probably just RMA |
| 10:22.43 | phorce1 | has a buddy who drives a VW bus that has a Porsche 6Cyl engine and 5 speed tranny installed. zoom-zoom |
| 10:23.00 | Piper69 | hahahahahhahahahhahah |
| 10:23.25 | spikeb | phorce1: that is too awesome for words |
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| 10:24.07 | Piper69 | guys i will head out it is 2:30am and i have to be at work tomorrow, will continue tomorrow |
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| 10:24.15 | phorce1 | The engine in 1972 - 1979 VW buses is the same as the engine in the Porsche 914-4 |
| 10:24.19 | Piper69 | er4z0r: thank you so much for all the help |
| 10:24.38 | Piper69 | phorce1: i Hope you fix it to recover your data |
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| 10:24.57 | Piper69 | and the rest of you have wonderful night |
| 10:25.01 | Piper69 | Adios |
| 10:25.07 | phorce1 | Piper69: This is a crash that actually didn't bother me much. the 40 bothers me more than the 750 |
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| 10:25.17 | giacomo_c | ok, a new problem |
| 10:26.04 | er4z0r | Piper69: good luck |
| 10:26.41 | Piper69 | oh, thankd heaven its Debian! |
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| 10:26.52 | giacomo_c | when i installed debian, i made a separate partition for my /home and i made it 19G. it says the contents is 1.2G and the free space is 2.2G... why isn't more like 17.7G? |
| 10:27.13 | er4z0r | phorce1: time for solid state disk ;-) |
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| 10:30.10 | ma3x | when i try echo blah > /dev/dsp why do i get perm. denied? |
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| 10:30.32 | er4z0r | ma3x: groups? |
| 10:30.41 | er4z0r | ma3x: are you in the right group? |
| 10:30.53 | ma3x | yes, already in the audio group |
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| 10:31.45 | BillyLeeCN | :) |
| 10:31.57 | er4z0r | ma3x: what does ls -l /dev/dsp tell? |
| 10:32.51 | ma3x | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 2008-11-13 05:24 /dev/dsp |
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| 10:37.43 | er4z0r | ma3x: there you got it |
| 10:37.54 | ma3x | what? |
| 10:38.02 | ma3x | should i give it write perm? |
| 10:38.11 | er4z0r | ma3x: go become root and try the same thing again |
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| 10:39.02 | ma3x | so are the perms not default 644? |
| 10:39.18 | er4z0r | no |
| 10:39.42 | er4z0r | as you can see they are rw-r--r-- |
| 10:39.56 | er4z0r | wherr |
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| 10:40.27 | ma3x | that's 644 |
| 10:40.28 | er4z0r | sorry I always get confused betweed the numeric and the rwx notation for the perms |
| 10:41.03 | er4z0r | ma3x: eitehr way, it says user root group root |
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| 10:41.29 | ma3x | my user is also in the root group |
| 10:41.44 | ma3x | so /dev/dsp should be given write perms as well? |
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| 10:41.58 | er4z0r | ma3x: permissions say root has read/write and anyone else has only read access |
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| 10:42.19 | ma3x | and why when i echo blah > /dev/dsp i don't hear any click |
| 10:42.40 | er4z0r | eaxactly because you do not have write perms |
| 10:42.46 | er4z0r | unless you are root |
| 10:42.47 | ma3x | but now i've given it |
| 10:42.52 | ma3x | and as root too, i don't hear it |
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| 10:43.22 | idimmu | root group? |
| 10:43.26 | er4z0r | ma3x: you cannot be sure what dev dsp makes of you input anyway |
| 10:43.29 | idimmu | isnt there an audio group |
| 10:43.37 | idimmu | for audio related stuff |
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| 10:43.56 | er4z0r | idimmu: there is, but according to permisions of dev dsp audio does not even have write access to dev dsp |
| 10:44.10 | ma3x | whatever i dont hear the click |
| 10:44.18 | er4z0r | i have no idea how you ended up like that |
| 10:44.28 | er4z0r | could anyone else test what idimu is trying to do |
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| 10:44.45 | er4z0r | is currently on os x so i cannot test that |
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| 10:50.45 | er4z0r | ma3x: try as root chgrp audio /dev/dsp |
| 10:51.29 | er4z0r | and then chmod 666 /dev/dsp |
| 10:51.51 | idimmu | how was /dev/dsp created? |
| 10:52.01 | ma3x | i dunno how was /dev/dsp created |
| 10:52.04 | idimmu | it is fairly comical for people to be having sound problems on linux in 2008 |
| 10:52.05 | ma3x | upon boot i guess :p |
| 10:52.11 | idimmu | it wasnt even this hard in 1997 :( |
| 10:52.12 | idimmu | harsh |
| 10:52.12 | ma3x | i already changed the grp |
| 10:52.13 | idimmu | ok |
| 10:52.14 | ma3x | still no click |
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| 10:52.26 | er4z0r | and THEN: 1. turn speakers to max. 2. and do cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp *fg* |
| 10:52.28 | idimmu | how are u using it? |
| 10:52.40 | idimmu | cat somefile > /dev/dsp ? |
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| 10:52.47 | er4z0r | ma3x: again ls -l /dev/dsp |
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| 10:52.56 | arisv | hello people. here it is my prob: http://pastebin.com/m3e4c7474 :any ideas? |
| 10:53.06 | ma3x | yeah cat something > /dev/dsp |
| 10:53.12 | ma3x | nothing |
| 10:53.22 | er4z0r | ma3x: the perms please |
| 10:53.28 | er4z0r | ma3x: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 10:53.33 | ma3x | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root audio 4.0K 2008-11-14 11:52 /dev/dsp |
| 10:53.52 | er4z0r | well then the aboce should workoh |
| 10:54.04 | ma3x | well it doesnt |
| 10:54.06 | ma3x | no click |
| 10:54.49 | er4z0r | sounds like something hardware |
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| 10:56.53 | er4z0r | ma3x: look for alsamixer and try that one |
| 10:57.09 | er4z0r | ma3x: maybe your volume is too low |
| 10:57.32 | ma3x | dude it's already to the max, and i can hear the sound with skype, but nothing when i cat file > /dev/dsp |
| 10:57.41 | arisv | anyone? |
| 10:57.49 | er4z0r | ma3x: and make sure to check your hardware. I will come over and kick you if you spend our time while your speakers havw a to low volume ;-)I |
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| 10:59.14 | mrwick | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.36 | er4z0r | arisv: what does lsusb show you after pluggin in? |
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| 11:00.11 | er4z0r | ma3x: ah wait |
| 11:00.15 | er4z0r | ma3x: I got an idea |
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| 11:00.16 | ma3x | what? |
| 11:00.48 | er4z0r | ma3x: maybe you have another app already using dev/dsp and that is why you hear nothing?s |
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| 11:01.11 | arisv | er4z0r: 1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi |
| 11:01.43 | er4z0r | arisv: have you checked it with iwpriv? |
| 11:02.07 | er4z0r | ma3x: have a got with lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 11:02.18 | ma3x | er4z0r: i tried that already, shows nothing |
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| 11:02.41 | er4z0r | now it really becoming esotheric |
| 11:02.49 | ma3x | yeah |
| 11:02.53 | ma3x | you're running out of ideas :p |
| 11:02.58 | arisv | er4z0r: iwpriv? |
| 11:03.18 | er4z0r | ma3x: thats what I meant to veil yes :P |
| 11:03.24 | arisv | u mean iwprin wlan0? |
| 11:03.31 | er4z0r | arisv: man iwpriv |
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| 11:03.47 | er4z0r | hates wireless debugging on linu |
| 11:03.53 | phorce1 | er4z0r: 750G of SSD, I'd have to buy an electric utility company to power it |
| 11:04.11 | er4z0r | phorce1: :D aye |
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| 11:04.50 | er4z0r | its not really wht you woul call "green IT" ;-) |
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| 11:05.19 | phorce1 | slaps forehead. He had his system powered down to pull out the bad drive and STILL forgot to move the power from direct wall-feed to UPS feed. |
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| 11:05.51 | phorce1 | needs to put the UPS in the doorway so he trips over it every time he wants to leave |
| 11:06.05 | arisv | er4z0r: whatever, the problem is clearly stated in pastebin |
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| 11:07.44 | er4z0r | arisv: will you do iwproiv now or wont you? |
| 11:08.16 | arisv | er4z0r: i'll do, the full syntax? sudo iwprin wlan0? |
| 11:08.43 | er4z0r | iwpriv i think |
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| 11:09.23 | er4z0r | arisv: in esssence I want to know what IOCTLS wlan0 says it supports |
| 11:09.30 | arisv | ok |
| 11:09.44 | arisv | so an iwprin wlan0 is enough? |
| 11:10.04 | phorce1 | iwpriv <---- V |
| 11:10.09 | er4z0r | aye |
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| 11:10.36 | er4z0r | and i am not sure about the syntax since I am running os x here i cannot look it up, that is what you got the manpage for |
| 11:11.02 | er4z0r | should be learning scheme anyway |
| 11:11.08 | er4z0r | what a freaky language |
| 11:11.08 | phorce1 | and /me is on a box with no wireless |
| 11:11.32 | fiendish1ish | Hello, whenver I install a program via apt, it adds it to my /fluxbox/ menu with 'Processing triggers for menu ...', Does anyone know how to prevent this, permanently. |
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| 11:13.31 | arisv | er4z0r: http://pastebin.com/m23f2b38c |
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| 11:14.38 | er4z0r | looks a bit few |
| 11:14.45 | jerovira | ello |
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| 11:14.58 | phorce1 | jerovira: remember, just ask. Don't ask to ask |
| 11:14.58 | er4z0r | arisv: what does iwconfig say in the first placem |
| 11:15.05 | jerovira | i heard someone was disscussing wirless issues |
| 11:15.16 | er4z0r | jerovira: yes we are |
| 11:15.24 | jerovira | thanx phorcel |
| 11:15.42 | jerovira | i can see the nets but cant connect |
| 11:15.47 | er4z0r | arisv: does wlan0 show up in iwconfig |
| 11:15.53 | er4z0r | arisv: ? |
| 11:15.56 | arisv | wait |
| 11:15.56 | jerovira | no but eth0 |
| 11:16.10 | jerovira | sorry |
| 11:16.18 | arisv | er4z0r: yes (wlan shows up in iwconfig) |
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| 11:16.31 | Rideh | can someone recommend a tool for me to use to view mac addys related to ip addresses that my dhcp server is assigning? |
| 11:16.38 | er4z0r | jerovira: what hardware? what network? what encryption? |
| 11:16.55 | jerovira | no encryp its an X24 lap |
| 11:17.53 | jerovira | ibm think pad x24 |
| 11:17.53 | er4z0r | arisv: so, please show me output of iwconfig wlan0 |
| 11:17.58 | fiendish1ish | Hello, whenver I install a program via apt, it adds it to my /fluxbox/ menu with 'Processing triggers for menu ...', Does anyone know how to prevent this, permanently. |
| 11:18.11 | er4z0r | jerovira: lspci | grep network please |
| 11:18.23 | jerovira | k |
| 11:18.24 | arisv | er4z0r: with the broken driver or now while working with ndiswrapper? |
| 11:18.26 | er4z0r | fiendish1ish: we heard itd |
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| 11:18.49 | er4z0r | arisv: with the broken one |
| 11:18.54 | arisv | ok |
| 11:18.56 | fiendish1ish | er4z0r: and I left it a reasonable length of time before I repeated myself xd |
| 11:19.14 | noorul | arisv, what kind of encryption did you set for Access Point? |
| 11:19.16 | er4z0r | fiendish1ish: reasonable is quit subjective |
| 11:19.28 | fiendish1ish | er4z0r: Indeed. |
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| 11:19.56 | jerovira | i ran the command im really new to lin |
| 11:20.00 | er4z0r | fiendish1ish: sorry no blackbx user, no idea |
| 11:20.06 | jerovira | no output |
| 11:20.30 | phorce1 | er4z0r: 6 minutes was good for the first repeat. I usually wait until I've seen a signigicant number of new /joins though. |
| 11:20.32 | er4z0r | jerovira: oh ok do it wihtout the | grep part |
| 11:20.58 | jerovira | 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82830 830 Chipset Host Bridge (rev 04) |
| 11:20.58 | jerovira | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82830 830 Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 04) |
| 11:20.58 | jerovira | 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 02) |
| 11:20.58 | jerovira | 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 02) |
| 11:20.58 | jerovira | 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM USB (Hub #3) (rev 02) |
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| 11:21.13 | er4z0r | :D |
| 11:21.24 | er4z0r | first lession learned e |
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| 11:21.39 | phorce1 | I'll set up a /tell about paste for when he returns |
| 11:21.50 | jerovira | opps |
| 11:21.53 | phorce1 | !tell jerovira about paste |
| 11:21.55 | er4z0r | hrhr |
| 11:22.06 | jerovira | that was fun |
| 11:22.18 | er4z0r | I came here for a solutions to my problem in the first case: http://pastebin.com/d21d455c8 |
| 11:22.37 | fiendish1ish | er4z0r: It |
| 11:22.53 | fiendish1ish | It is nothing to do with *box, it does the same with gnome :) |
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| 11:24.32 | phorce1 | er4z0r: that just looks like someone corrupted the Packages file on security.debian.org. Try updating again tomorrow |
| 11:25.02 | jerovira | did i paste right? |
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| 11:25.50 | phorce1 | fiendish1ish: it's part of the postinst scripts so you probably can't disable it globally. You'd have to edit the postinst for every package |
| 11:25.59 | er4z0r | phorce1: that doesn't sound nice |
| 11:26.11 | arisv | er4z0r: http://pastebin.com/mdbe2327 |
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| 11:26.15 | phorce1 | jerovira: you need to put the link to the paste here so we can see |
| 11:26.54 | phorce1 | err, so er4z0r can see. I'm clueless about wireless |
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| 11:28.00 | jerovira | http://paste.debian.net/21437/ |
| 11:28.11 | jerovira | just read your post |
| 11:28.18 | er4z0r | arisv: i think it is the ifconfig wlan0 up which is wrong in the first placew |
| 11:28.30 | er4z0r | arisv: try to configure the card manually |
| 11:28.47 | er4z0r | arisv: first do alle the iwconfig stuff, then do dhclient wlan0 |
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| 11:29.16 | er4z0r | oh man getting good krama is hard theese days :D |
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| 11:29.49 | er4z0r | phorce1: that apt problem seems to exist since 05:00 MESZ . |
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| 11:30.27 | er4z0r | jerovira: # |
| 11:30.28 | er4z0r | 02:05.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 11:30.36 | er4z0r | jerovira: that is you wilreless card |
| 11:30.37 | arisv | anyway, thanks for ur help |
| 11:30.40 | arisv | :) |
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| 11:30.43 | jerovira | i tried doing apt-get install ndiswrapper but it couldn't locate ndiswrapper |
| 11:30.53 | jerovira | yes |
| 11:31.01 | phorce1 | er4z0r: on the problem jerovira has -- s/he can see the wireless network but can't connect so it's probably safe to assume the wireless driver is installed correctly |
| 11:31.07 | jerovira | he |
| 11:31.18 | er4z0r | jerovira: have you ceheckd linuxmobile.org for you laptop |
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| 11:31.29 | er4z0r | maybe someone already solved your issue |
| 11:31.32 | jerovira | that would be no |
| 11:31.46 | phorce1 | er4z0r: lemme go try to do an update on an etch machine and see what I get --- brb |
| 11:31.49 | er4z0r | phorce1: err right :D |
| 11:31.57 | jerovira | i looked all over the debian and ubuntu forums but never a difinitive solution |
| 11:32.23 | jerovira | i'll go check that site |
| 11:32.41 | yarborea | Can I just ask if anyone has installed Etch on an original imac? I made the mistake of upfrading to osx from macos9 and it's now very slow, but I don't have a macos9 cd and it isn't worth buying one now, so whatever I install I have to be reasonably sure it's going to work. |
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| 11:33.28 | er4z0r | arisv: any progress? |
| 11:34.26 | Saviq | guys, can you please have a look at this http://filebin.ca/qrcmfa/dump.tcp tcpdump and tell me what the h is going on? I'm on a DSL PPPoE connection, there's no proxy in between and I can access the site fine when doing it from the router box, just not from the masqueraded ones... any ideas? and it's only happening with some 3 or 4 sites - in the dump it's http://gizmodo.com/ |
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| 11:34.33 | arisv | nah, the problem is somewhere else, as long as the module isn't modprobed properly |
| 11:34.39 | arisv | am googling |
| 11:35.33 | jerovira | how would i configure manually |
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| 11:37.47 | er4z0r | jerovira: using iwconfig |
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| 11:38.24 | er4z0r | jerovira: first you should show me your complete iwconfig output |
| 11:38.43 | phorce1 | er4z0r: update/upgrade went fine on an etch box here. Maybe try starting with an 'aptitude clean' <------ Oh, wait, I don't have sources in any of my apt configs, only binaries. |
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| 11:39.01 | phorce1 | er4z0r: so I wouldn't hit the same problem as you. |
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| 11:39.48 | er4z0r | hmm could anyone else try? |
| 11:39.59 | er4z0r | btw. when is lenny sheduled? |
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| 11:40.27 | phorce1 | er4z0r: unless you NEED the sources for some reason you should just comment them out of your sources.list for a couple of days. I still suspect it's just a corrupted Packages file on the server. It can be 24 - 48 hours before they fix it |
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| 11:40.49 | phorce1 | er4z0r: as usual, when it's ready |
| 11:41.41 | er4z0r | hrhr I love it |
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| 11:43.03 | jerovira | http://pastebin.com/m2bf97304 |
| 11:43.13 | phorce1 | er4z0r: Some time in 2009, maybe |
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| 11:46.51 | |Cory| | hi :) |
| 11:47.12 | er4z0r | phorce1: I think I'll try another mirror |
| 11:47.38 | er4z0r | commented out all deb-src entries and still have the same problem |
| 11:47.51 | fiendish1ish | 9;2~:q |
| 11:48.31 | |Cory| | I dont quite know where to ask so i'll ask here : i've got a supermicro server here and I need to access the bios but there is no indication at boot of how to access the bios, I only have access to grub. is there a trick to get to the bios ? |
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| 11:49.32 | er4z0r | I think I'l build a new soruces list with apt-spy |
| 11:50.33 | jerovira | http://www.supermicro.com/support/manuals/ |
| 11:50.54 | jerovira | previous link for |cory| |
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| 11:51.49 | phorce1 | |Cory|: also, try the standards when the boot sequence starts (F1, F2, F10, DEL, CTRL+F10) |
| 11:51.56 | jerovira | yep |
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| 11:52.27 | phorce1 | your power switch will hate you |
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| 11:54.24 | er4z0r | arr damn |
| 11:54.37 | er4z0r | what do I need to reconfigure to get a mirror selection? |
| 11:54.47 | er4z0r | tried dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 11:54.48 | |Cory| | thanks phorce1, DEL did it :) |
| 11:54.50 | er4z0r | didnt do |
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| 11:55.34 | Roland- | hey, where can i download packages manualy ? in which mirror folder |
| 11:56.43 | phorce1 | Roland-: use http://packages.debian.org to locate and download. Digging through the /pool/ directories sucks. |
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| 11:57.52 | phorce1 | er4z0r: shouldn't just running apt-spy do it? |
| 11:58.47 | jerovira | what is the apt-spy command to auto config /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:58.55 | phorce1 | er4z0r: /me has always changed mirrors manually so I'm no help there |
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| 11:58.57 | |Cory| | looks like bios doesn't provide anything to set the ventilation policy. how can I change the ventilation policy of a server ? |
| 11:59.00 | jerovira | or does it just do it when you run it |
| 11:59.30 | er4z0r | phorce1: to lazy to do manually |
| 11:59.36 | er4z0r | what can be automated, should be ;-) |
| 11:59.38 | phorce1 | jerovira: when you run it it pings a list of mirrors and auto-configs you for he fastest |
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| 12:00.08 | jerovira | sweet |
| 12:00.10 | phorce1 | doesn't even have apt-spy installed |
| 12:00.14 | er4z0r | base-config would do as well, but that does not check for performance |
| 12:00.34 | er4z0r | allthough apt-spy results are somewhat obsucre |
| 12:00.58 | phorce1 | ftp.de.debian.org and ftp2.de.debian.org have always been very reliable so I use them even if not fastest |
| 12:01.21 | er4z0r | I would like to spare debian some traffice ;-) |
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| 12:01.28 | jerovira | so would the correct command for getting ndiswrapper be apt-get install ndiswrapper |
| 12:01.34 | er4z0r | that is what mirrors are for, arent they? ;-)) |
| 12:01.44 | fireba11 | also it's very rare for one of the mirrors to be unavailable |
| 12:02.00 | er4z0r | jerovira: it would , if you have i in your sources |
| 12:02.22 | jerovira | what would i need in my sources |
| 12:02.22 | er4z0r | jerovira: maybec check that first: apt-cache policy ndiswrapper |
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| 12:03.10 | er4z0r | yay |
| 12:03.19 | er4z0r | apt-spy sucksp |
| 12:03.28 | phorce1 | I've had the round-robins try to send me to mirrors that were unconnectable. Having to hit CTRL-C 4 or 5 times and restart the apt-run until it sends me to a connectable mirror starts to suck after a while |
| 12:03.32 | er4z0r | waited 5 min. for it to complete and what do i get |
| 12:03.36 | jerovira | er4z0r it said unable to locate ndiswrapper |
| 12:03.37 | er4z0r | bad memory access |
| 12:03.54 | er4z0r | jerovira: well so it is not in your sources |
| 12:04.03 | mahdy | hi guys |
| 12:04.06 | er4z0r | try to search for it on packages.debian.org |
| 12:04.45 | phorce1 | try apt-cache search ndiswrapper first |
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| 12:05.50 | phorce1 | I think the package name is not JUST ndiswrapper, but ndiswrapper-something |
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| 12:06.21 | mahdy | i play a movie file with smplayer , but while movie is playing i remove file . file is now exist because smplayer can play this , how can i recover my file ? |
| 12:06.36 | phorce1 | anyway, /me is going to try to grab an hour of sleep before work. /gone |
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| 12:07.48 | jerovira | looks like i only get the source package, if thats right |
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| 12:08.30 | er4z0r | jerovira: I think you should take the name of you chip and ndiswrapper and the ngo for a tutorial |
| 12:08.31 | petemc | mahdy: get the pid of mplayer |
| 12:08.45 | petemc | mahdy: then look in /proc/pid/fd/ |
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| 12:09.32 | petemc | mahdy: or use lsof |
| 12:09.47 | th0ger | I get "NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D". I DID ask dpkg about "etch key" and "2006 key". None of the hints worked. |
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| 12:10.08 | jerovira | a tutorial in what |
| 12:10.19 | jerovira | linux in general or life |
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| 12:14.41 | th0ger | How can i get the pubkey F1D53D8C4F368D5D? |
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| 12:16.36 | ghostknife | What program can I use to add new init scripts to the runlevel and manage/remove existing ones |
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| 12:16.47 | petemc | ghostknife: update-rc.v |
| 12:16.49 | petemc | erm d |
| 12:16.55 | mahdy | petemc: thanx , i found my file in /proc/7416/fd , but it's a link , if i copy this link to other distention and close smpleyer it is working ? |
| 12:17.18 | petemc | mahdy: copy it and see if its the file you want |
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| 12:17.36 | arisv | petemc: u helped me yesterday with the tp-link wifi card? |
| 12:18.12 | mahdy | petemc: im sure it is my file , status say Target : /home/mahdy/Desktop/dls/myfile.avi (deleted) |
| 12:18.35 | ghostknife | petemc: perfect, thanks |
| 12:18.55 | petemc | mahdy: cp it to another name and use another media app to open it |
| 12:19.03 | mahdy | ok |
| 12:19.05 | petemc | arisv: not sure |
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| 12:19.31 | arisv | ok |
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| 12:20.10 | er4z0r | ghostknife: vim, and rm ? |
| 12:20.28 | petemc | itym ln |
| 12:20.53 | mahdy | petemc: i'm with root and say : Error making symbolic link: Operation not permitted |
| 12:21.25 | petemc | mahdy: whats the exact command you used? |
| 12:21.37 | mahdy | petemc: using nautilus |
| 12:21.52 | petemc | thats not what i would use |
| 12:22.45 | mahdy | petemc: i now use cp command and seemd to be copying |
| 12:22.57 | mahdy | petemc: thank you very much |
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| 12:26.05 | mahdy | petemc: let me kissing you , :-* , thx a lot |
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| 12:30.17 | ghostknife | er4z0r: not sure you what you mean with vim? since you need to add links to /etc/rcX.d,and that's cumborsome. a command makes it all so simple |
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| 12:34.15 | mu-dev | ghostknife: it's helpful to see the structure at least once |
| 12:36.12 | kervan | Hi. Can anybody help me please? I'm working to dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. But I get some errors about xserver-xorg-video-***. aptitude says that those packages are not installable... This is my output : http://pastebin.com/m3b54fda0 How can I fix this problem. Thanks all. |
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| 12:37.10 | mu-dev | kervan: run dpkg --configure --pending |
| 12:37.16 | mu-dev | to start with |
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| 12:38.44 | kervan | mu-dev: dpkg --configure --pending does not gives any output. Then I tryed dist-upgrade. I see the same errors. |
| 12:38.51 | ghostknife | mu-dev: of an init file? I know the structure. I just made the init file |
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| 12:39.06 | ghostknife | mu-dev: I just want to know of a commad to quickly manipulate it |
| 12:39.21 | ghostknife | mu-dev: specifically the S/K links in rcX.d directories |
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| 12:41.17 | Lagbolt | kervan, what does your sources.list look like? can you pastebin it? |
| 12:41.21 | g0rd0n | hello! i want to install debian on a vserver, the host machine is running suse... i have trouble with debootstrap. any ideas? |
| 12:41.34 | g0rd0n | is there some howto for installing debian on a vserver under suse? |
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| 12:42.50 | Lagbolt | g0rd0n, http://wiki.network-crawler.de/index.php/Debian_within_SuSE |
| 12:42.57 | g0rd0n | Lagbolt: thanks! |
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| 12:43.11 | lassiethebrave | so I've just switched my laptop from 64 bit kubuntu to 32 bit debian testing and everything is alot more responsive however running glxgears (wich I'm aware is NOT a benchmark...) seems to have dropped from 1000 fps to 100; my laptop is an acer aspire 5310 with an intel gma 950 using the "intel" Xorg driver... (and glxinfo seem to give roughly the same output now as then) any ideas? |
| 12:43.32 | kervan | Lagbolt: http://rafb.net/p/J6lO0n42.html This my sources.list |
| 12:44.00 | Lagbolt | !tell kervan about etch->lenny |
| 12:44.27 | mu-dev | 100 is better than 10 :) |
| 12:44.37 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 12:45.05 | Lagbolt | kervan, did you get that? |
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| 12:46.19 | kervan | Lagbolt: Yes. Thanks I'm checking again. |
| 12:46.28 | g0rd0n | Lagbolt: i think that howto does not handle vserver at all... |
| 12:46.45 | Lagbolt | g0rd0n, well you asked about bootstrap as well. |
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| 12:47.03 | Lagbolt | i am looking around for vserver help |
| 12:47.18 | phanter | hi there... can anybody point me to an irc where I can ask driver development related questions? |
| 12:47.19 | g0rd0n | i'll paste the command i am issuing... |
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| 12:47.57 | g0rd0n | vserver lennydemo build -n lennydemo --hostname my.hostname.net --interface eth0:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/28 -m debootstrap -- -d lenny |
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| 12:48.49 | bzrk | g0rd0n: posting an error message might be helpful |
| 12:49.04 | g0rd0n | right :O |
| 12:49.05 | g0rd0n | :P |
| 12:49.29 | g0rd0n | 13:49:11 URL:http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.2etch1_all.deb [45556/45556] -> "/var/tmp/debootstrap.n27323/debootstrap.deb" [1] |
| 12:49.30 | g0rd0n | E: Couldn't work out current architecture |
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| 12:49.55 | mu-dev | use a pastabin... that way we can be in a spaghetti western |
| 12:50.25 | g0rd0n | well it was just two lines :( |
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| 12:51.54 | bzrk | g0rd0n: use the --arch switch for debootstrap |
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| 12:52.31 | bzrk | g0rd0n: sounds like something 32bit vs 64bit related |
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| 12:53.01 | g0rd0n | bzrk: hmmm host system is suse 32 bit... i'll try with an --arch switch |
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| 12:55.17 | g0rd0n | vserver-build: unrecognized option `--arch' |
| 12:55.20 | g0rd0n | uhm... |
| 12:55.35 | g0rd0n | where in my command should i add that switch? |
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| 12:58.07 | greggman | hello.. can anybody here tells me about LVM ecrypted comparing to a standard one? |
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| 13:01.40 | VI_Lenin | Hi people! Can you advice, please, how to get Motif-related libXm.so.3 library? Currently I have libXm.so.2 from lesstif package. |
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| 13:02.30 | bzrk | VI_Lenin: apt-get install libmotif3? |
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| 13:04.16 | VI_Lenin | I am trying... |
| 13:04.17 | greggman | I've been trying googling.. but I can't still find advantages of VLM over the regular one.. |
| 13:05.26 | darius12 | anyone here with a bcm44xx network card? |
| 13:05.46 | joltcan | greggman: Well, you have to type in a passphrase when you mount it, and doing encryption takes some additional CPU cycles. I guess thats about it |
| 13:05.57 | enouf | darius12: 44? or 43? |
| 13:06.03 | darius12 | 44 |
| 13:06.11 | darius12 | it should have the b44 driver |
| 13:06.28 | enouf | !listkeys bcm44 |
| 13:06.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bcm44' by key returned no results. |
| 13:06.50 | arisv | if sb has time, maybe can check my prob (first post): http://www.nabble.com/zd1211rw-and-TP-Link%27s-TL-WN322G-td19626368.html |
| 13:06.55 | darius12 | the 43xx are wireless cards |
| 13:07.05 | darius12 | !listkeys b44 |
| 13:07.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'b44' by key returned no results. |
| 13:07.31 | enouf | darius12: i also did listvals in pm - nada |
| 13:08.08 | enouf | darius12: why not just show us what lspci -nn says about it? or .. /msg dpkg what's my hardware |
| 13:08.14 | enouf | gah |
| 13:08.21 | enouf | !which driver |
| 13:08.21 | dpkg | driver locator is, like, To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 13:08.50 | darius12 | enouf: I know the driver is correct. this is not the problem :-) |
| 13:09.05 | enouf | darius12: could you be more vague please? |
| 13:09.14 | darius12 | the problem is the card becomes wedged when I unload and reload the module |
| 13:09.26 | enouf | greggman: advantages of LVM over regular partitioning? |
| 13:09.40 | darius12 | and I 'm searching for someone to find out if this is reproducible |
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| 13:09.41 | enouf | darius12: so it's wired? |
| 13:09.50 | darius12 | yes, it is wired ethernet |
| 13:09.55 | enouf | usb? |
| 13:10.00 | enouf | pcmcia? |
| 13:10.05 | enouf | expresscard? |
| 13:10.05 | zxcvbs | hi, is there any functional shell, or scheme based ? |
| 13:10.09 | enouf | serial? |
| 13:10.31 | darius12 | enouf: It is in the mainboard (it is a laptop) |
| 13:10.33 | enouf | firewire? eth1394? |
| 13:10.46 | darius12 | enouf the lspci -n is 14e4:4401 |
| 13:11.02 | enouf | darius12: which release of debian? and which kernel? |
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| 13:11.19 | kstt | hello |
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| 13:11.34 | darius12 | All kernels after the driver was ported to work on top of the ssb mini-bus |
| 13:11.47 | darius12 | debian etch and lenny |
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| 13:12.06 | kstt | does anybody know if it is possible to ask cron to load a crontab-like file of my choice, having entries *added* to what cron already has, please ? |
| 13:12.26 | darius12 | (but I think exact distro version is irrelevant since if this is a software problem it is definitely in the kernel |
| 13:12.29 | enouf | darius12: how are you unloading the module? (and why) |
| 13:13.15 | enouf | darius12: each distro patches their own kernels |
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| 13:13.25 | stew | kstt: (crontab -l ; cat somefile) | crontab - |
| 13:13.32 | kstt | well, I guess this is what crontab is for indeed :) |
| 13:13.43 | darius12 | enouf: AFAIK there are no patches relevant to this problem |
| 13:13.43 | kstt | I only read man cron so I missed that one |
| 13:13.48 | kstt | thx stew |
| 13:14.07 | enouf | darius12: however, other kernel params might contribute/negate it |
| 13:14.29 | enouf | kstt: note; man 5 crontab |
| 13:14.33 | darius12 | enouf: I believe the start codepath in the driver might be flawed and I 'm trying to establish a reproducible testcase |
| 13:14.50 | darius12 | enouf: this is the reason for unload/reload |
| 13:15.04 | enouf | darius12: how are you unloading the module? (and why) |
| 13:15.23 | enouf | forget the why part |
| 13:15.24 | greggman | yes enouf its advantages.. thanks |
| 13:15.30 | darius12 | enouf: I just told you why. The how: modprobe -r b44 && modprobe b44 |
| 13:16.19 | darius12 | enouf: I have bisected the problem to 2.6.24 + the patch that ports the driver to the ssb minibus |
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| 13:16.40 | darius12 | enouf: The question is if it is a hardware or kernel bug |
| 13:16.50 | enouf | greggman: well - i think any LVM synopsis should tell you it's purpose, and also about it;s features and capabilities - tried en.wikipedia.org? If you have 1 HDD, you probably don't want lvm |
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| 13:17.19 | darius12 | If someone else with the same hardware can reproduce then I can ask for the help of kernel devs with confidence |
| 13:17.33 | enouf | darius12: i was checking to see if you were using rmmod over modprobe -r |
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| 13:17.58 | greggman | ah.."probably don't want LVM if one HDD only" I'll take a look on that |
| 13:18.20 | stew | greggman: why not? |
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| 13:18.55 | stew | greggman: i disagree |
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| 13:19.00 | darius12 | so is there anyone with a bcm4401 (14e4:4401) nic in this channel? |
| 13:19.08 | enouf | bah .. greggman - that's just my personal preference, others do use it like that - but they are loonies ;-) |
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| 13:20.10 | enouf | it has no purpose whatsoever for one disk, ...and don't tell me disk quotas - but i'm not here to fight about it |
| 13:20.28 | stew | enouf: it has lots of good uses with one disk |
| 13:20.43 | kstt | stew: I want to alter the system-wide crontab, not root crontab, do you know what to do please ? |
| 13:20.52 | stew | kstt: which one? |
| 13:21.01 | kstt | 'crontab -l ' would list root entries only |
| 13:21.10 | kstt | which looks void here |
| 13:21.31 | enouf | it's also overly complicated, and requires and initrd for / boot, and many other caveats .. but if you want to learn how to use it, and experiment with it - be my guest - it's your system |
| 13:21.43 | stew | kstt: you mean system wide crontab in /etc/crontab? or /etc/cron.d? or /etc/cron.hourly? or some user's crontab? |
| 13:21.49 | kstt | stew : the entries that reside in /etc/cron.d/* and /etc/crontab |
| 13:22.18 | stew | kstt: you can edit those files directly |
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| 13:22.35 | kstt | stew, yes but I want to dynamically add new entries |
| 13:22.46 | kstt | at runtime |
| 13:22.47 | stew | kstt: you can append to those files directly |
| 13:22.57 | stew | kstt: or you can drop new files in /etc/cron.d |
| 13:23.15 | kstt | I want another cron.d directory actually |
| 13:23.20 | kstt | maintained separatly |
| 13:23.23 | stew | why? |
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| 13:24.06 | kstt | because of my architecture |
| 13:24.21 | kstt | I'd like to explain more but I think its too long and not worth it |
| 13:24.28 | g0rd0n | ok |
| 13:24.36 | g0rd0n | vserver was broken |
| 13:24.46 | g0rd0n | incompatible with etch/lenny debootstrap |
| 13:24.47 | g0rd0n | pffff... |
| 13:25.31 | ruelps | i will terminate 6 chicks today |
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| 13:25.39 | kstt | stew: but if I could have this separate cron.d being loaded it would be perfect |
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| 13:26.12 | arkara | hello. just one question to ask.. how often does debian sid breaks? |
| 13:26.26 | stew | arkara: its always broken |
| 13:26.51 | arkara | stew: even fot desktop usability? |
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| 13:27.09 | greggman | stew, can you tell me you side? why you prefer using LVM in one disk? |
| 13:27.10 | stew | arkara: sure |
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| 13:27.39 | arkara | stew: so i just stay up with stable when it is released |
| 13:28.01 | PathagenX | Lenny is good. atm, stable is blegh |
| 13:28.24 | g0rd0n | blegh = ? |
| 13:28.34 | PathagenX | You should be pushing Lenny, which should be stable 5.0 by now |
| 13:28.42 | kstt | so does anybody know what is the process used to feed crond with entries in /etc/cron.d/ please ? |
| 13:28.44 | stew | greggman: becuase it makes it easier to resize partitions, you can take snapshots. when I have a disk failing, i can replace the disk completely without even having to shut down the machine by using pvmove. The requirement for a initrd is no problem, since I use debian kernels which require an initrd |
| 13:28.56 | g0rd0n | yeah, if installing a new system i would go with lenny |
| 13:29.02 | g0rd0n | for upgrading i would wait |
| 13:29.03 | stew | kstt: you just copy files into cron.d |
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| 13:29.13 | enouf | (although, iirc, grub2 now supports lvm booting - or has, but it's been fixed very recently </close subject>) |
| 13:29.16 | stew | kstt: however cron.d is not meant for system administrators, but for packag maintainer |
| 13:29.27 | kstt | huhu :) But this is NOT what I need :) |
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| 13:30.40 | PX-AFKz | I am running Etch atm and I am not really impressed |
| 13:31.03 | kstt | so where do administrators put their task when they need to set the precise time rule, or the user for the command, please ? |
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| 13:31.16 | stew | PX-AFKz: no, lenny is not going to be stable for some time now |
| 13:31.17 | kstt | in /etc/crontab ? |
| 13:31.22 | ^shark_ | has anybody seen this before "Access to Local only" in vista? |
| 13:31.43 | stew | kstt: "crontab -e -u username" for the user that is going to be running the command |
| 13:31.48 | PX-AFKz | I said it should be |
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| 13:32.14 | stew | PX-AFKz: no, it shouldn't there are still more than a hundred release critical bugs, and we only this week got an RC installer |
| 13:32.35 | stew | PX-AFKz: or by "it should be" you mean "i wish it was" |
| 13:32.43 | kstt | stew, what happens if the user gets disconnected, would the command be run anyway ? |
| 13:32.49 | stew | yes |
| 13:32.57 | PX-AFKz | yea true ster |
| 13:33.00 | PX-AFKz | stew |
| 13:33.00 | kstt | fine, I'll do that so. |
| 13:33.23 | kstt | thank you stew |
| 13:34.04 | kstt | (still I'd love to see the code used to load /etc/cron.d files) |
| 13:34.26 | PX-AFKz | kstt: That's what Google's for. |
| 13:34.49 | stew | kstt: "apt-get source cron" "cd cron*"and "grep DEBIAN *h *c" ; the cron.d stuff will be the debian patches which are in "#ifdef DEBIAN" sections |
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| 13:35.10 | kstt | thx |
| 13:35.40 | stew | kstt: look for SYSCRONDIR in the cron sourcecode |
| 13:35.54 | kstt | ok thx |
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| 13:44.23 | benner | Hi |
| 13:44.36 | OpenTokix | Debian Lenny Rc 1 - all sins forgiven |
| 13:44.38 | benner | What kernel comes with newes debian? |
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| 13:44.52 | OpenTokix | benner: 2.6.26 in SID |
| 13:45.01 | stew | benner: the current stable version comes with 2.6.18 and 2.6.24, the current testing version comes with 2.6.26 |
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| 13:47.16 | benner | stew: tnanks |
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| 13:47.46 | benner | and what iptables version? i need >= 1.4 |
| 13:47.54 | stew | judd: versions iptables |
| 13:47.56 | judd | stew: iptables: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 (etch) 1.4.1.1-3 (lenny) 1.4.1.1-4 (sid) |
| 13:48.18 | benner | oh |
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| 13:49.58 | ^shark_ | why would someone go for lenny on a production server & migrate from etch |
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| 13:50.59 | jpinx | ^shark_: it's your choice |
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| 13:52.57 | Anthro | I need a utility for checking for a particular open port on an IP address range. My home machine changed IP addresses and I misconfigured ddclient, so I'd like to try to find it based on its previous IP address. |
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| 13:54.04 | ^shark_ | i meant to ask in terms of reliability and performance |
| 13:54.26 | ^shark_ | in regards to downgraded packages like iptables |
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| 13:59.51 | rvalles | Anthro: nmap can do that |
| 14:00.18 | rvalles | just specify that you only want that port, a connect() scan and the range |
| 14:00.27 | rvalles | it'll be better if you log |
| 14:00.33 | rvalles | -oX or whatever you fancy |
| 14:00.35 | rvalles | then grep for it |
| 14:00.40 | VI_Lenin | bzrk: There is no libmotif3 for Etch... :-( |
| 14:00.42 | rvalles | (grep open) |
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| 14:00.58 | clusty | hey |
| 14:01.11 | clusty | i was wondering if it is possible to create software raid 10 |
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| 14:01.16 | abrotman | VI_Lenin: you'd have to backport it yourself |
| 14:01.37 | jelly | clusty: it is. |
| 14:01.59 | jpinx | ^shark_: maybe you need to read the release notes and then ask some more specific questions here |
| 14:02.04 | clusty | jelly, any particular reason why i sould pay 300E for a raid card? :D |
| 14:03.10 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.30 | jpinx | ^shark_: np |
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| 14:05.44 | jelly | clusty: depends on the particular usage; a raid card will push only relevant bandwidth over PCI(e); might have performance benefits; might have maintenance benefits |
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| 14:06.01 | VI_Lenin | abrotman: is it possible to use openmotif-2.3.1.el4.i386.tar.gz from original ftp? |
| 14:06.20 | VI_Lenin | or similar binary archive? |
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| 14:06.40 | jelly | clusty: a battery backed hw raid will probably save more data than a md raid in case of a power failure |
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| 14:08.14 | clusty | jelly, i am buuilding a database server |
| 14:08.25 | clusty | i care preety much only about performance |
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| 14:08.46 | clusty | the electricity is very stable where this will be running |
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| 14:15.49 | abrotman | VI_Lenin: i suppose .. but you could just backport it |
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| 14:17.49 | helo | got deuched with mud! |
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| 14:20.13 | triak | is there any posible shell comand with same function as search for file in packages at http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 14:20.37 | helo | yes |
| 14:20.37 | abrotman | triak: apt-file |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | !tell triak about apt-file |
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| 14:21.23 | triak | thx, i wasnt able to find it for years :-( |
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| 14:23.39 | abrotman | years? |
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| 14:24.13 | triak | yes, i've meant that it is not possible |
| 14:24.32 | triak | so IRC was last possibility to get it |
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| 14:27.23 | abrotman | !search |
| 14:27.23 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 14:34.21 | Anthro | rvalles: Woo! nmap found it! |
| 14:34.29 | Anthro | rvalles: Thanks for the help |
| 14:34.50 | baron1804 | i seem to be getting Application tried to create a window, but no driver could be loaded when i try to run uttorent with wine |
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| 14:35.36 | ranix_ | abrotman: is it possible to see what repository (main, contrib, non-free, etc) a particular package is in with apt-cache? |
| 14:35.44 | abrotman | baron1804: ask #winehq |
| 14:35.48 | ranix_ | i.e. sun-java6-plugin |
| 14:36.00 | baron1804 | thanks |
| 14:36.11 | abrotman | ranix_: apt-cache show sun-java6-plugin .. should tell you IIRC |
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| 14:36.43 | abrotman | or apt-cache policy |
| 14:37.15 | ranix_ | aaah sho |
| 14:37.16 | ranix_ | w |
| 14:37.20 | ranix_ | Thanks abrotman, big help |
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| 14:38.04 | abrotman | ranix_: and apt-cache has a man page ... |
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| 14:40.53 | mercutio22 | Is there anyone here familiar with testdisk? I need help recovering my partitions http://www.pastebin.ca/1256144 |
| 14:43.15 | maligor | mercutio22, what are you trying to recover? |
| 14:44.45 | arisv | problem *still* exists :( http://www.nabble.com/TP-LINK-TL-WN322G-(zd1211rw)----big-problem%2C-needs-solution.-td20501213.html |
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| 14:45.26 | maligor | mercutio22, if I had to guess: DellUtility, RECOVERY, OS, Linux, LinuxSwap, MEDIADIRECT |
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| 14:46.45 | maligor | dunno what to make of that DellMD3play |
| 14:46.52 | mercutio22 | maligor yeah, thats how I remember it was. How do I tell the program to do that? |
| 14:46.57 | mercutio22 | maligor, me neither |
| 14:47.48 | maligor | mercutio22, possibly with 'T' |
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| 14:48.02 | maligor | it's been a while since I used testdisk |
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| 14:48.56 | maligor | you might want to consult the testdisk documentation tho |
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| 14:49.27 | maligor | how do you idiots think that does anything? |
| 14:50.01 | stoned | is there any ide for the force.com platform in debian? for Apex applications? |
| 14:50.14 | mercutio22 | maligor, if I show you the options would you help me out? I just need some advice to confirm if what I will apply seems reasonable |
| 14:50.34 | maligor | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step |
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| 14:51.07 | maligor | the preferred option would be to image the whole drive before doing anything ofcourse |
| 14:51.36 | arisv | anyone? |
| 14:51.39 | stoned | whoah |
| 14:52.03 | maligor | worst botnet flood attempt I've ever seen |
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| 14:53.10 | maligor | mercutio22, mm, I think you select the partition and press enter |
| 14:53.50 | mercutio22 | maligor, but I should assign different options to each partitions and some will be primary others extended |
| 14:54.05 | mercutio22 | maligor, theres were I am kinda lost |
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| 14:54.28 | maligor | *Using the left/right arrow keys, change the status of the selected partition to L(ogical) |
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| 14:54.49 | maligor | I guess you use left/right arrow keys to change them from D to L/E |
| 14:55.02 | MidnighTok3r | hi, probably a silly question, but: -when adding a user, it gives you space to enter lots of nice details about them (full name, room number, phone number, etc) -how do I get that info for an existing user? |
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| 14:55.36 | RoyK | hi all. it seems virtualbox-ose-modules is missing from backports |
| 14:55.55 | jojo3 | hello i use akgregator and each time there is some "new feed", i have to check both "unread" and "new" feeds to be sure i didn't miss one, what should i do/ how can i configure it, to avoid this.. and read only ONE folder ? |
| 14:55.55 | stew | MidnighTok3r: getent passwd username |
| 14:56.08 | MidnighTok3r | stew thank you |
| 14:56.43 | jelly | RoyK: you can probably use module-assistant to build the modules package locally |
| 14:56.54 | mhymn | jojo3: #kde would be a better place imo |
| 14:57.00 | mercutio22 | maligor, ok... I have to rescan because I accidentally pressed q... its gonna take a while are you gonna stay on ? |
| 14:57.15 | jojo3 | mhymn, ok, gonna give it a try thanks |
| 14:57.17 | stew | !m-a RoyK virtualbox-ose |
| 14:57.17 | dpkg | RoyK: to compile and install virtualbox-ose for your running kernel: aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose && modprobe virtualbox-ose ; if this works echo virtualbox-ose >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
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| 14:57.39 | jelly | judd: versions virtualbox-ose-source |
| 14:57.39 | judd | jelly: virtualbox-ose-source: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1.6.6-dfsg-3 (lenny) 1.6.6-dfsg-3 (sid) |
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| 14:57.50 | maligor | mercutio22, not sure how I be particulary helpful with it |
| 14:58.01 | jelly | oh dear, debian still doesn't have 2.0 vbox |
| 14:58.14 | maligor | sun has packages for it |
| 14:58.19 | maligor | debs even |
| 14:58.21 | jelly | nonfree. |
| 14:58.40 | RoyK | stew: thanks |
| 14:58.58 | mercutio22 | maligor, ok. I will try myself, but it 'd be nice to have someone who has experience with the program to discuss |
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| 14:59.36 | maligor | mercutio22, well, it was quite a while back |
| 14:59.46 | jelly | however if RoyK doesn't care about non-freeness of said binary packages, I'd recommend Sun's build too. ;-) |
| 15:00.06 | maligor | I overwrote the partition table in a blinding streak of stupidity, heh |
| 15:00.13 | maligor | I think I copied some file over it |
| 15:00.27 | mercutio22 | maligor, thats maybe what happened here |
| 15:00.30 | maligor | learned to be more careful with superuser ;) |
| 15:00.35 | RoyK | jelly: heh - I'll see if this works |
| 15:00.52 | jelly | maligor: and now you have sfdisk -d outputs stored somewhere safe? |
| 15:01.40 | maligor | jelly, no, I just don't do mistakes like it anymore |
| 15:01.57 | jelly | maligor: famous last words! |
| 15:02.25 | maligor | yeah, well, it's simpler just to backup the important bits |
| 15:02.41 | rvalles | Anthro: it's np ;) |
| 15:02.46 | RoyK | stew: hm. that failed. and log just says 'Build log starting, file: /var/cache/modass/virtualbox-ose.buildlog.2.6.18-6-amd64.1226674784. Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:59:44 +0100' |
| 15:03.09 | jelly | maligor: ah, you don't think the partition table layout is an important bit? |
| 15:03.20 | maligor | not particulary |
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| 15:03.31 | emilien | anyone any tools to convert partion to bsf ? |
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| 15:03.45 | emilien | anyone know* any tools to convert partion to bsf ? |
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| 15:05.10 | bzrk | emilien: fdisk and change type? |
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| 15:09.47 | phanter | my /var/mail/username mailbox is really large and i would like to clean it (remove the mail). How do I do this? |
| 15:10.22 | abrotman | phanter: 'mail' .. start deleting |
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| 15:13.59 | jojo3 | what kind of firewall would you recommend for linux ? |
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| 15:14.49 | maligor | asbestos? |
| 15:15.12 | maligor | ofcourse they don't allow you to use that anymore due to building regulations |
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| 15:16.31 | jojo3 | asbestos ;. yes is allowed.. on WTC rescue.. fireworkers. been said there was no risk.. plenty died or are dying due to asbestos.. thanks to US administration at the time |
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| 15:17.12 | scribeskul | Captain's Log...Day 2 of Debian...10AM...need a beer... |
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| 15:18.00 | jojo3 | offers a beer |
| 15:18.00 | scribeskul | drinks... |
| 15:18.00 | jojo3 | place is really quiet in here.. people moving to windows or what ? |
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| 15:18.00 | scribeskul | got myself some landshark |
| 15:18.01 | Lagbolt | First officers log. . . captain appears to be drunk, must follow suit. |
| 15:18.02 | jojo3 | well i must admit, it seems ubuntu is pretty popular nowadays |
| 15:18.11 | bzrk | im busy playing teeworlds |
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| 15:18.14 | scribeskul | not a ubuntu fan myself.... |
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| 15:18.36 | jojo3 | scribeskul, hardly used it much, for the little i saw, is ok.. but so little |
| 15:18.39 | stew | please take these off-topic conversations elsewhere. perhaps #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
| 15:18.40 | scribeskul | best releases I've used in the past year would have to be Debian (Which I just installed last night) and Archlinux |
| 15:18.46 | Lagbolt | ubuntu is nice on my eeepc. but that was for quickness. building a working debian in stall for it |
| 15:18.47 | jojo3 | i may have to give it a try once, to be honest |
| 15:18.55 | abrotman | Ubuntu talk goes to #ubuntu |
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| 15:19.01 | bzrk | ^^ |
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| 15:21.17 | scribeskul | How many GNOME users here? I was thinking of giving Enlightenment a try |
| 15:21.55 | abrotman | so just try it .. why take a poll? |
| 15:22.41 | scribeskul | so you just usually dive into things without researching things, i take it |
| 15:22.49 | Lagbolt | scribeskul, e17? |
| 15:23.33 | scribeskul | yeah. Was just looking for some personal feedback on how it was to setup |
| 15:23.37 | Jyzygzy- | shorewall is probably one of the most failed projects ever done |
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| 15:24.16 | Lagbolt | scribeskul, i tried it. pulls in nice from experimental but still needs some work ithink. very customizable but weak in other areas |
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| 15:24.47 | stew | scribeskul: we discourage people from generally polling the channel with "how many people do ___" since this channel is too large. do you really want 800 people to answer that question? |
| 15:25.14 | scribeskul | stew: Oh, my bad. Then my apologies hehe. |
| 15:25.23 | stew | scribeskul: if you want to know the relative popularity of packages: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 15:25.55 | maligor | scribeskul, e17 is pretty shiny but you eventually realize it's not very practical |
| 15:26.01 | scribeskul | stew: Thanks! |
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| 15:26.50 | scribeskul | maligor: That's what I have heard from some friends who have used it, unfortunately, I haven't had the opportunity to. I may have to load it on the ol' test laptop to just take a peek. |
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| 15:27.48 | Jacob_H | scribeskul: a bit late in the conversation but I use e17 |
| 15:28.50 | Jacob_H | recent updates have made it pretty good: it?s now pretty stable and very fast, especially if you tend to use the shell rather than gui widgets for managing your system |
| 15:29.47 | scribeskul | Jacob_H: Cool. Like it? I will probably just follow the advice of above people and just try it out. After-all, one man's trash is anothers treasure; eye of the beholder, etc... I'll give it a go though, on the laptop.. Thanks for the help guys! (And no more polls, I promise) haha |
| 15:31.02 | Jacob_H | scribeskul: absolutely: I use it on both my desktop and laptop. The thing to bare in mind is that it will break occasionally so only update when you have a chance to sort it out if it goes wrong... |
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| 15:32.02 | Jacob_H | also, you might like to try either easy_e17 or Reasy17 which makes it much easier to compile |
| 15:32.20 | scribeskul | Jacob_H: Awesome! (Now if only that darn loan officer would call me back, my day would be , so far, complete) |
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| 15:34.03 | Jacob_H | scribeskul: :). Both of those scripts are at <http://exchange.enlightenment.org/application>. I've only used easy_e17 but apparently Reasy17 will get apt to sort out the dependencies for you, which might make a first installation easier. Or you could do it the old-fashioned way by hand! |
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| 15:45.36 | scribeskul | I hear little penguin crickets off in the distance.... |
| 15:46.12 | wp | be quiet or they will leave |
| 15:46.36 | scribeskul | no...they are..talking..to..me.....rosebud... |
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| 15:50.30 | sylar | I have a little problem with permissions, |
| 15:50.38 | dtcrshr | anyone recommends a good wysiwyg editor for php / html? |
| 15:50.50 | wp | dtcrshr: vi |
| 15:51.06 | abrotman | dtcrshr: there's one in iceape ... |
| 15:51.13 | dtcrshr | wp troll |
| 15:51.22 | dtcrshr | iceape? ill check it out |
| 15:51.24 | abrotman | it won't do php though .. you'd need an actual editor |
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| 15:51.28 | wp | im sorry |
| 15:51.35 | sylar | I have put a folder in /usr/local/share/myfolder |
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| 15:53.00 | joltcan | sylar: ok? |
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| 15:53.23 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:53.42 | dtcrshr | well, its more like a browser |
| 15:53.49 | dtcrshr | i need some more robuts, near dreamweaver |
| 15:53.54 | dtcrshr | robust |
| 15:54.01 | abrotman | dtcrshr: uhm .. iceape has what you are looking for |
| 15:54.09 | sylar | joltcan, I was wrong , it is not a permission problem, but some kind of gnome problem |
| 15:54.28 | sylar | in myfolder I put .desktop files that I draged there from gnome menu |
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| 15:54.35 | abrotman | dtcrshr: and it's the closest you'll get in linux .. |
| 15:54.35 | dtcrshr | ill try it then, ill see if it suits the edition |
| 15:54.37 | johnfg | I saw the release notice yesterday on distrowatch about a new installer or something for lenny. Will the installed lenny get those updates automatically through aptitude upgrade and update? |
| 15:54.41 | sylar | I made a link to that folder for every user |
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| 15:54.55 | amphi | !folder |
| 15:54.56 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 15:54.57 | abrotman | johnfg: it's the RC1 for the lenny netinst .. |
| 15:55.07 | sylar | but when another user try to open the .desktop file it opens in a text editor |
| 15:55.14 | abrotman | johnfg: and if you use it correctly, yes, you can get updates |
| 15:55.21 | sylar | instead of as a program |
| 15:55.25 | johnfg | OK, so only the netinst. Thanks! |
| 15:55.42 | abrotman | it's the installer .. lenny hasn't been released yet |
| 15:55.51 | dtcrshr | ]iv tryed nvy and aptana, both very crappy |
| 15:55.56 | dtcrshr | ill check this quanta one |
| 15:56.02 | johnfg | That I know, but the RC's working pretty well for me. |
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| 15:56.41 | sylar | I thought that maybe the .desktop files should have been executable , but I see that even the owner doesn't see them as executable, just read write, and for the owner the .desktop files opens OK ass apps and not as text |
| 15:56.51 | sylar | anyone has a clue? |
| 15:57.23 | sylar | why for the owner of a .desktop it opens as app and for others it opens as text? |
| 15:57.27 | sylar | fix? |
| 15:58.05 | joltcan | sylar: Sorry, I don't know gnome stuff |
| 15:59.00 | sylar | joltcan, np, its the thought that counts :) |
| 15:59.21 | sylar | joltcan, thanks |
| 16:01.06 | abrotman | sylar: there is a #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 16:01.41 | sylar | abrotman, yes, I am cross-posting |
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| 16:02.13 | crossposter | see |
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| 16:06.00 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 16:06.00 | dpkg | from memory, qotd74 is < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
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| 16:07.27 | dtcrshr | quanta will do it :) |
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| 16:12.14 | n3kl | I boot my system this morning, and X won't start cause it can't find the nvidia driver. I m-a a-i nvidia and try again, and nada. Wtf? |
| 16:13.53 | simonrvn_ | liable: hehe, i remember that one :) |
| 16:14.54 | liable | simonrvn_: you old man! ;) |
| 16:15.17 | simonrvn_ | hehe |
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| 16:18.35 | thinline | is there a program that will detect traffic utilization on a wireless network? |
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| 16:18.58 | thinline | or wired... but that does not run on the switch or router software |
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| 16:29.53 | die7 | installation mode laptop mean it will be laptop-tools installed or is more there |
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| 16:31.25 | roe_ | hey, is slashdot correct? did rc1 installer for lenny get released? |
| 16:32.21 | Eulex | die7, http://rafb.net/p/wguAkI85.html |
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| 16:33.06 | gnufs | hello all |
| 16:33.21 | die7 | Eulex: tnx friend |
| 16:33.22 | gnufs | i guess this channel is more active than the oftc's :) |
| 16:33.29 | gnufs | my question is: |
| 16:33.32 | gnufs | how can i switch a debian-based system to debian internally? (i.e. without booting to an external media) |
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| 16:34.30 | maligor | kexec? |
| 16:34.55 | maligor | pivot_root might also work I guess, but I think you'd have to shutdown services :P |
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| 16:35.26 | themill | dpkg: tell gnufs about multiple ask |
| 16:36.06 | gnufs | themill: you're right |
| 16:36.17 | gnufs | i can be rude sometimes :) |
| 16:36.21 | gnufs | sorry |
| 16:36.37 | themill | gnufs: no worrie |
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| 16:43.02 | rmaj | what is a nice small DNS that can be installed easly just locally for my own box? preferrably one that can use tor easly |
| 16:44.31 | joltcan | rmaj: I like dnsmasq, good for both simple dns and dhcp |
| 16:44.51 | rmaj | how is dns related with dhcp O_o |
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| 16:45.28 | bn43 | hi all - I'm looking to run a system with debian and mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:45.47 | bn43 | this is for me to test zencart locally on my system |
| 16:46.05 | bn43 | but etch seems to be only supporting mysql5 |
| 16:46.37 | bn43 | is there a way for me to run mysqlserver-4.1 at all? |
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| 16:47.23 | liable | etch still has mysql-4 iirc |
| 16:47.33 | themill | not really |
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| 16:47.37 | themill | judd: versions mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:47.38 | judd | themill: mysql-server-4.1: 5.0.32-7etch6 (etch) 5.0.32-7etch8 (etch-security) |
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| 16:48.43 | bn43 | liable: what they said :-/0 |
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| 16:49.26 | boguh | is there a tool that show the current traffic? |
| 16:49.39 | themill | bn43: how braindead is this thing that it doesn't work with mysql5? And if it's that unmaintained, do you really want to run it? |
| 16:50.06 | bn43 | themill: zencart says it only supports mysql-4.1 |
| 16:50.26 | bn43 | lots of people use zencart for online stores! |
| 16:50.43 | themill | bn43: that's not actually an answer to my question... these are questions that you need to ask yourself. |
| 16:50.57 | bn43 | ok - point take |
| 16:51.00 | bn43 | taken |
| 16:51.04 | themill | I presume you're going to tell me it needs php4 too... |
| 16:51.39 | bn43 | no - its only mysql in the lamp stack thats the lowest version |
| 16:51.50 | bn43 | anyone here using zencart? |
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| 16:53.17 | themill | bn43: are you sure mysql5 isn't supported? "MySQL 4.1 minimum, although MySQL 5 is becoming far more common and expected" |
| 16:53.30 | d0uglas | I'd like to use postfix with smtp auth.. complicated? or should i just use cyrus? |
| 16:53.35 | themill | bn43: http://tutorials.zen-cart.com/index.php?article=6 |
| 16:54.23 | themill | bn43: also "MySQL 5 is not officially supported by Zen cart v1.3.x and lower; however, shopowners running v1.3.6 and newer seem to be reasonably successful." |
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| 16:54.29 | SlayerXP | d0uglas: your question can be rephrased equivalently as "can I start fires with petrol? complicated? or should I just use whelks?" |
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| 16:55.16 | bn43 | its the reasonably successfully which worries me! |
| 16:55.28 | bn43 | yeah I did see that when reading up on zencart |
| 16:55.54 | bn43 | I rather go with the recommended first before trying the not-recommended |
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| 16:56.25 | themill | bn43: so you will be using php4 then... :( |
| 16:56.31 | chris_ | Any debian sparc users here? |
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| 16:56.51 | Kurlon | Afternoon all. How do I identify what release of debian a machine is running, uname -a is just spitting out the kernel ver? |
| 16:56.58 | jelly | !version |
| 16:56.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distros |
| 16:57.31 | jelly | judd: versions libc6 |
| 16:57.33 | judd | jelly: libc6: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 (etch) 2.7-15 (lenny) 2.7-16 (sid) 2.8+20080809-1 (experimental) |
| 16:57.59 | Kurlon | Thanks jelly! |
| 16:58.44 | bn43 | any zencart users here? |
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| 17:00.40 | bn43 | themill: thanks for the input - gotta run! |
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| 17:06.52 | Ejdesgaard| | hi, what ver. of OOo is in lenny mail repos? |
| 17:07.44 | jelly | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 17:07.45 | judd | jelly: openoffice.org: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch5 (etch) 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6 (etch-security) 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 1:2.4.1-12 (lenny) 1:2.4.1-12 (sid) 1:3.0.0-4 (experimental) |
| 17:08.06 | jelly | Ejdesgaard|: also, http://packages.debian.org |
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| 17:08.38 | Kurlon | I've been tasked with backing up a running Woody machine, coming from a *BSD background my first instinct was to look for dump/restore, but I'm seeing notes that it only supports ext2 and not ext3? |
| 17:08.41 | Ejdesgaard| | jelly, thanks :D |
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| 17:09.12 | abrotman | Kurlon: uhm, woody is very old, why haven't they upgraded to etch? |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | Kurlon: tar would work, cpio .... standard tape tools ? |
| 17:09.42 | Kurlon | Given the state of this server farm... I can come up with all sorts of reasons, none of them valid. : ) |
| 17:09.44 | abrotman | does it tell you why ext3 won't work ? |
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| 17:09.58 | jelly | Kurlon: there's a chance of dump being corrupted with ext3, but noone seems to be sure of how often that really happens |
| 17:10.24 | jelly | abrotman: this Linus guy said it wouldn't work |
| 17:10.54 | Kurlon | So, best bet is to drop to single user, and tar my way out of this antique. |
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| 17:11.03 | Kurlon | That works for me. |
| 17:11.08 | abrotman | or shoot it .. |
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| 17:11.18 | jelly | Kurlon: if you're in single user with nothing writing on the disk, dump will work too |
| 17:11.30 | jelly | at least, that was my understanding |
| 17:11.33 | Kurlon | I wish, gotta migrate the data, which first means I've got to get it off the wreck of a machine it's on. |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | going to migrate to fbsd 4.x ? :) |
| 17:11.50 | Kurlon | Ok, if I can use dump I'm comfortable with it. |
| 17:12.15 | abrotman | Kurlon: FWIW .. you could also mount the ext3 as ext2 |
| 17:12.27 | Kurlon | abrotman: Dunno what the plan is for final migration, my goal for now is just to stabilize things. The server has a software raid 5 with one drive dead, one drive tossing errors... |
| 17:12.45 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:12.57 | Kurlon | The original maintainer is telling me NOT to powercycle the machine for any reason... |
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| 17:13.04 | g0rd0n | where can I get php5_5.2.5-3_all.deb from? |
| 17:13.39 | abrotman | g0rd0n: is that version on packages.debian.org ? |
| 17:13.41 | liable | g0rd0n: either from a debian repo, or snapshot.debian.net, or your shit outta luck |
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| 17:14.22 | `MarcyLove | hello, I need to know how to install readline package into my debian system pls ? |
| 17:14.26 | g0rd0n | i guess i will need to report a bug somehow, cause i installed lenny with php 5.2.6 and egroupware debian packages,and that egroupware version is incompatible with php 5.2.6 |
| 17:14.38 | abrotman | g0rd0n: yes, file a bug on egroupware then |
| 17:14.45 | g0rd0n | they fixed that in trunk already |
| 17:14.46 | liable | is egroupware a debian package? |
| 17:14.54 | g0rd0n | liable: yes |
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| 17:15.51 | assasukasse | hello, i have a machine i was ssh into..then suddenly i got cut off and now the ssh is not working anymore, the machine is online since i can ping it. Is there something in lenny that will refresh or kill the old ssh connections? |
| 17:15.52 | liable | g0rd0n: you have security enabled? |
| 17:15.56 | assasukasse | automatically? |
| 17:16.01 | g0rd0n | liable: what security? |
| 17:16.26 | abrotman | g0rd0n: security.debian.org updates/lenny main .. for example |
| 17:16.38 | abrotman | erm .. lenny/updates |
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| 17:17.56 | liable | its likely not the cause, especially for lenny, but you never know.. |
| 17:18.01 | g0rd0n | abrotman: oh.. yes i do |
| 17:18.08 | wad | I plugged in a USB webcam into my headless (with no X) Debian box. I'd like to capture video with it. Can anyone point me at a starting point? I can see the camera with lsusb. |
| 17:18.44 | wad | I'm using it as a remove security camera. |
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| 17:20.03 | iridos | heh, that was actually a good one :) |
| 17:21.02 | iridos | a camera to remove security, I mean :) |
| 17:21.15 | iridos | "apt-cache show motion"> |
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| 17:21.37 | iridos | s/>/?/ |
| 17:22.02 | iridos | wad, "apt-cache show motion"? |
| 17:22.12 | wad | iridos: thanks! |
| 17:22.16 | wad | tries |
| 17:22.47 | iridos | or apt-cache search webcam --names-only |
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| 17:23.29 | wad | is installing motion. |
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| 17:24.26 | iridos | wad, how did you choose a cam so that it is cheapis, yet shows pictures in which people are more than blobs? |
| 17:24.59 | wad | I didn't choose a cam. This is an extra cam my friend is loaning to me. So I'll have to see how it looks! |
| 17:25.14 | wad | I think I need some drivers for it or something. |
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| 17:25.24 | cousin_luigi | hello |
| 17:25.26 | wad | motion wants a /dev/video0 but it doesn't exist. |
| 17:25.42 | disposable | iridos: you may want to try turning the focus ring |
| 17:25.47 | cousin_luigi | how do I set priorities in apt? |
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| 17:26.04 | cousin_luigi | or better, enable repositories on demand |
| 17:26.16 | liable | cousin_luigi: man apt-preferences |
| 17:26.23 | liable | cousin_luigi: man apt_preferences |
| 17:26.26 | disposable | cousin_luigi: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 17:26.27 | wad | I plugged the the camera, and I get this: |
| 17:26.30 | wad | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 17:26.30 | wad | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:26.30 | wad | usbcore: registered new driver snd-usb-audio |
| 17:26.31 | cousin_luigi | oh thanks |
| 17:26.48 | wad | It looks like perhaps it only sees the microphone on it, or something? |
| 17:27.31 | abrotman | security camera .. microphone? |
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| 17:29.48 | cousin_luigi | what happen to the sources that haven't been PINned? |
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| 17:32.55 | iridos | disposable, maybe - dunno really, I just tried once for a couple of minutes if the camera of a friend could be used on my linux machine... and I got a .. moving "image" off from it - I don't remember seeing any moveable parts... but I also read that some of the ridiculously cheap ones you see on ebay have an image quality compared to which the average mule has splendid seeing... |
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| 17:36.27 | octox2 | why are there 31 cd ISOs ? |
| 17:36.44 | octox2 | on the web site |
| 17:36.49 | octox2 | for installing debian |
| 17:37.01 | rageway | hello, i'm experiencing unmatched links while installing msttcorefonts package ... like "wget: unable to resolve host address `internode.dl.sourceforge.net'" for all sublinks... any tip ? |
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| 17:37.19 | thedonvaughn | octox2: that's only if you need all softare on a tangable medium. 95% of debian users use the netinstall cd |
| 17:37.24 | stew | octox2: for instances where you need to install on a machine that doesn't have a connection to a network to install packages. |
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| 17:38.00 | octox2 | stew those are isos to all of the installable packages lol |
| 17:38.03 | octox2 | wow |
| 17:38.16 | octox2 | ok, so all I need to get started is the KDE one ? |
| 17:38.26 | zibri | octox2: yes. |
| 17:38.49 | octox2 | is that the "net install" one ? |
| 17:39.03 | zibri | no. but you could use either. |
| 17:39.55 | octox2 | can someone refresh my memory of the naming scheme too? Lenny is always what you call the testing? |
| 17:40.09 | zibri | No, lenny is about to get stable. |
| 17:40.20 | octox2 | oh, so the name stays with it? |
| 17:40.26 | zibri | yes. |
| 17:40.33 | octox2 | what will be the name of the next testing? |
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| 17:40.54 | stew | octox2: squeeze |
| 17:41.27 | octox2 | ok, what about Sid? always unstable? |
| 17:41.31 | stew | yes |
| 17:41.40 | octox2 | ahh, that is where I got that from |
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| 17:42.53 | octox2 | is Sid an acronym ? |
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| 17:43.57 | Eulex | !sid |
| 17:43.58 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>. |
| 17:44.09 | JyZyXEL | how do you acquire and use multiple IP-addresses from the same ISP? |
| 17:44.14 | octox2 | gaahahaha |
| 17:44.23 | JyZyXEL | you can DHCP an adress for all the nics |
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| 17:44.30 | JyZyXEL | but only one of them can be default |
| 17:44.37 | JyZyXEL | route |
| 17:45.03 | octox2 | did you just answer your own question? |
| 17:45.14 | JyZyXEL | no i didn't |
| 17:45.14 | octox2 | oh nevermind lol |
| 17:45.33 | octox2 | you have to buy multiple IP addresses dont you : |
| 17:45.35 | octox2 | ? |
| 17:45.45 | JyZyXEL | i already have |
| 17:45.48 | octox2 | oh |
| 17:46.09 | JyZyXEL | its just that using them all from the same machine is proving to be extremely hard |
| 17:46.20 | JyZyXEL | even with multiple NIC's |
| 17:46.37 | octox2 | maybe they tell you what range you have and you can set each nic with a static IP |
| 17:46.47 | JyZyXEL | no you can't |
| 17:46.49 | JyZyXEL | DHCP only |
| 17:46.55 | octox2 | oh |
| 17:47.02 | rageway | i'm experiencing unmatched links while installing msttcorefonts package ... like "wget: unable to resolve host address `internode.dl.sourceforge.net'" for all sublinks... any tip ? |
| 17:47.10 | JyZyXEL | thats what makes it such a shitty thing |
| 17:47.23 | JyZyXEL | there is noone who knows how to make this shit happen |
| 17:47.35 | octox2 | you want to be able to get an application to use more than one nic at once? |
| 17:47.59 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 17:49.21 | JyZyXEL | im gonna need a real networking guru for this one |
| 17:49.35 | abrotman | !tell JyZyXEL about bonding |
| 17:49.57 | octox2 | I think there should be a way. What if you wanted to get information from the same site, but through two different nics through two different internet providers just to speed stuff up. I wonder if you need an application that would handle splitting up the tasks of requesting and retreving packets? |
| 17:50.11 | JyZyXEL | i guess bonding is making two nics have the same ip address |
| 17:50.18 | cousin_luigi | pinning is failing for me:/ |
| 17:50.19 | JyZyXEL | abrotman that was not what im after |
| 17:50.29 | abrotman | sure sounds like it |
| 17:50.35 | JyZyXEL | the point is to have different IP-address for each NIC |
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| 17:50.47 | cousin_luigi | JyZyXEL: same network? |
| 17:50.56 | JyZyXEL | and then i could route traffic trought which one i want |
| 17:51.00 | JyZyXEL | cousin_luigi probably |
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| 17:52.03 | stew | JyZyXEL: if you have multiple NICs then each should get its own address via DHCP. if you want a single nick to get multiple ip addresses via dhcp, that would be more difficult, since the dhcp server should give out the same ip to the same mac address |
| 17:52.42 | JyZyXEL | stew yea, which is why i installed 4 NIC's and thought "now it's gonna be easy" |
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| 17:52.49 | cousin_luigi | JyZyXEL: is your ISP's router assigning such addresses? |
| 17:53.05 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: http://www.physics.umd.edu/rgroups/pnce/pcs-docs/Glue/linux-route-hack.html#dual-subnets |
| 17:53.43 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: some guy trying to do the same thing said this worked for him |
| 17:53.44 | JyZyXEL | octox2 the -hack looks promising ;) |
| 17:53.56 | JyZyXEL | cause i bet this one is gonna be a hack atleast |
| 17:54.25 | octox2 | was trying to load balance and couldnt get route or anything to work either and linux doesnt like 2 default gateways it seems |
| 17:54.29 | octox2 | like what you said :) |
| 17:54.45 | JyZyXEL | uh huh |
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| 17:55.00 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: huhuhuh |
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| 17:55.25 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: that was the beavis and buthead laugh right ? lol |
| 17:55.53 | JyZyXEL | noo it was like Uh Huh |
| 17:56.02 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: oh lol |
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| 17:56.24 | JyZyXEL | yea just like 'oh' but longer |
| 17:56.32 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: lol, dont ask |
| 17:57.10 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: does the ISP limit bandwidth per IP ? |
| 17:57.15 | octox2 | IP address* |
| 17:57.26 | JyZyXEL | no it gets divided equally |
| 17:57.30 | octox2 | oh |
| 17:57.42 | JyZyXEL | the only thing i gain from this is that i get 4 different IP-addresses |
| 17:57.44 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: just trying something fun ? |
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| 17:58.55 | JyZyXEL | im gonna go read that thing you posted |
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| 17:59.09 | octox2 | coo, im reading too. looks neat |
| 17:59.53 | octox2 | ive got 2 nics. makes me wonder why I am using only one for both local and web traffic |
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| 18:03.01 | JyZyXEL | hmm i don't think this helps me in my situation |
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| 18:04.40 | JyZyXEL | atm i can decide the route for ALL my traffic by doing "ifdown eth0; ifdown eth1; ifdown eth2; ifdown eth3;" and then ifup the NIC i wanna use |
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| 18:08.05 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: maybe they have an idea? http://forums.citrix.com/message.jspa?messageID=1016718 |
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| 18:08.57 | octox2 | i guess they make external devices for load balancing too, but who needs that ? lol |
| 18:08.59 | JyZyXEL | hmm i think i just figured out |
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| 18:09.07 | octox2 | really ? |
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| 18:09.33 | JyZyXEL | ill have to run some more tests |
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| 18:12.24 | JyZyXEL | damn ifup makes the interface first default when u bring it up -.- |
| 18:12.26 | octox2 | when is Lenny stable? a few days, weeks ? |
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| 18:13.13 | octox2 | JyZyXEL: here maybe? http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2001q1/000615.html |
| 18:13.38 | jelly | octox2: "/msg dpkg rc bugs", take a look at the graph, guess for yourself |
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| 18:13.58 | stew | or look at lists.debian.org/debian-vote and guess |
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| 18:15.35 | octox2 | jelly how and were do I do that ? lol |
| 18:16.05 | lifestream | I'm kinda new to the scene. The way debian works, is that if I were to download and install the current stable, I could update/upgrade and lenny stable would install when available, right? |
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| 18:16.27 | jelly | octox2: "/msg dpkg rc bugs" is an irc command, type it in your client. the bot will then whisper to you in private |
| 18:16.36 | amphi | lifestream: you could; or you could install lenny now |
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| 18:16.45 | stew | lifestream: when lenny is released, there will be an upgrade proceudre to upgrade to lenny |
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| 18:17.03 | lifestream | Either way sounds good! Thanks! |
| 18:17.33 | octox2 | haha, so is it normal to have 1332 bugs after the repo freeze ? |
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| 18:18.04 | octox2 | lenny is still frozen ? |
| 18:18.19 | stew | octox2: yes. "Number concerning the next release" is the number most relevant to your question |
| 18:18.20 | ranix_ | is Lenny stable? |
| 18:18.24 | stew | octox2: yes, still frozen |
| 18:18.30 | ranix_ | it's frozen until it's stable |
| 18:18.30 | stew | ranix_: its testing |
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| 18:18.42 | mifritscher | hi |
| 18:19.03 | ranix_ | !hi |
| 18:19.03 | dpkg | hello, ranix_ |
| 18:19.33 | octox2 | jelly, my guess is two years? lol |
| 18:19.47 | mifritscher | I wanted to X-forward applicaion from my pda which is based on arm and have lenny installed, to my notebook, which uses ubuntu 8.10. However, when I start any application, I got ../../src/xcb_io.c:462: _XRead: Assertion `dpy->xcb->reply_consumed + size <= dpy->xcb->reply_length' failed. |
| 18:19.55 | mifritscher | it worked a few month ago |
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| 18:20.59 | ubd | hello now i am going to install linux, for which folders should i create a seperate partition? such that when i format i dont want to lose my documents and alike files\ |
| 18:21.10 | JyZyXEL | well i can definetly see the bugs already in route tools |
| 18:21.14 | stew | ubd: /home |
| 18:21.35 | martian67 | JyZyXEL, use ip not route |
| 18:21.44 | JyZyXEL | ip route had a bug that route didn't have |
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| 18:21.54 | JyZyXEL | have to use them both in combination |
| 18:21.54 | ukatan | hey.. I'm having a problem with my Intel 82801EB/ER soundcard with lenny. I seem to only be able to hear downmixed mono output.. |
| 18:22.04 | ubd | stew is it feasible to keep konfig filles\ |
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| 18:22.15 | stew | ubd: what is konfig? |
| 18:22.35 | ubd | i mean konfiguration of x server fstab etc.. |
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| 18:23.00 | ubd | should i create a partition for /etc |
| 18:23.02 | stew | ubd: that stuff is stored in /etc but you can't easily have /etc be on a separate partition |
| 18:23.03 | mifritscher | hmm, xclock and xosview are working, but not firefox, abiword and xyournal |
| 18:23.06 | ubd | or would it be meaningless |
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| 18:23.11 | mifritscher | *xournal |
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| 18:23.17 | ubd | ok stew |
| 18:23.20 | ubd | thanks |
| 18:23.44 | stew | ubd: you should backup /etc and /home to another computer or to other media regularly in any case |
| 18:23.49 | ubd | o btw how much should i keep the size of / and swap |
| 18:23.50 | JyZyXEL | stew if i bring 4 DHCP interfaces up in /etc/network/interfaces can i presume the default routes in routing table will be in the same order as the interface definitions in the interfaces file? |
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| 18:24.18 | JyZyXEL | cause its very important that eth0 is the upper most default interface |
| 18:24.32 | JyZyXEL | at all times |
| 18:24.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: i believe the interfaces are in the order that the auto/allow-hotplug lines specify |
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| 18:25.28 | JyZyXEL | lol its stupid that you cannot specify the place in the routing table for route |
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| 18:25.47 | JyZyXEL | you ifup something and it automatically comes the highest default route |
| 18:26.02 | JyZyXEL | so basicly it cuts all the connections you have |
| 18:26.02 | stew | JyZyXEL: what do you mean by "place int he routing table for route"? |
| 18:26.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: you can alter the routing table with up/post-up lines in interfaces |
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| 18:27.09 | JyZyXEL | i guess if you change routes fast enough the connections won't cut |
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| 18:27.36 | JyZyXEL | like:: route del default dev eth0; route add default gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 |
| 18:27.44 | msshams | hi, can you introduce me a network diagram software for linux? |
| 18:27.50 | JyZyXEL | you won't even notice the connection was cut for a moment |
| 18:27.54 | stew | JyZyXEL: DHCP won't add a second defualt route |
| 18:28.17 | JyZyXEL | stew it just goes and replaces the old? ;< |
| 18:28.22 | JyZyXEL | what a horrible thing |
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| 18:29.02 | JyZyXEL | is there a way around this? |
| 18:29.09 | Vasistha | msshams: do you want the software to generate the diagram automatically? Or do you want a diagramming tool so that you can input the network diagram manually, in a GUI environment? |
| 18:29.14 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, it doesn't do anything with the default route if you already have one |
| 18:29.33 | stew | JyZyXEL: if you bring up eth0 with dhcp, then eth1 with dhcp, you should only get one default route which is the one from eth0 |
| 18:29.54 | JyZyXEL | ill test this now |
| 18:30.29 | msshams | Vasistha: i need a software that can generate a diagram like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_network_diagram for me |
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| 18:30.38 | JyZyXEL | noup |
| 18:30.41 | JyZyXEL | 2 default routes |
| 18:30.41 | msshams | Vasistha: automatic or manually. |
| 18:30.52 | abrotman | dia |
| 18:30.58 | dob1 | why openoffice looks so ugly on debian ? |
| 18:31.02 | JyZyXEL | stew eth1 becomes the highest default route |
| 18:31.10 | abrotman | msshams: try the 'dia' package |
| 18:31.19 | JyZyXEL | and you are gonna have 2 default routes |
| 18:31.21 | stew | JyZyXEL: show is the output of "ip a ; ip r" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:31.53 | dob1 | not a critic, but i noted that respect to other distribution on debian openoffice looks more bad |
| 18:32.12 | dob1 | maybe i miss some theme/style package, just asking |
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| 18:32.50 | stew | dob1: what versions of openoffice.org are you comparing? |
| 18:33.00 | Vasistha | dob1: what DE are you using? There are debian packages that integrate openoffice with kde and gnome environments |
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| 18:33.22 | Vasistha | dob1: could be that your other distro has one of those packages automatically installed, but you haven't installed it on debian |
| 18:33.41 | dob1 | stew: it's not a version issue, i see openoffice on debian from version 2 to 3, compared to the one on opensuse, ubuntu, fedora, but i repeat i am not polemic, just asking |
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| 18:34.30 | dob1 | Vasistha: i use kde, i see that there are some packages, for icon and integratin with the de, but i see not difference |
| 18:34.45 | Vasistha | dob1: oh, you mean, you have installed the package? |
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| 18:35.19 | lindenle | anyone have a good programto make cd covers in linux? |
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| 18:35.25 | lindenle | i mean the jackets of course. |
| 18:35.25 | dob1 | Vasistha: i tried them but not a lot of changes |
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| 18:36.00 | dob1 | if you take a screenshot of the version installed on the other distributions and the one that comes on debian seems 2 different programs |
| 18:36.18 | dob1 | maybe it's a my problem :) |
| 18:36.54 | stew | dob1: what version of openoffice.org are you using on the other distro? |
| 18:37.14 | Vasistha | dob1: interesting. well ... I mean, like stew asked, are you comparing the same version of openoffice? Could it be that on debian you've got openoffice 2.0 and on the other distro it's 2.2? |
| 18:37.16 | dob1 | stew: i use various from version 2, now i see the 3 |
| 18:37.34 | Vasistha | is getting ready to upgrade to lenny... :) |
| 18:37.35 | dob1 | i compared version 2 to version 2, if you ask this |
| 18:37.38 | stew | dob1: what does "now i see the 3" mean? |
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| 18:38.11 | dob1 | stew: sorry, now on other distros i read they have the version 3, but i compared the version 2 of openoffice |
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| 18:39.03 | stew | dob1: can you be more specific? |
| 18:39.22 | dob1 | stew: i take a screenshot, just to show at you |
| 18:39.27 | stew | nevermind |
| 18:39.37 | dob1 | ok |
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| 18:42.03 | Vasistha | dob1: the reason openoffice looks different is that the version on debian is a little bit older -- version 2.0 -- and the other distros have a newer version, which looks nicer. |
| 18:42.57 | mhymn | dob1: and you even installed the 'openoffice.org-kde' pkg? |
| 18:43.39 | dob1 | Vasistha: yes, but i am using a testing/unstable, it is not at the most updated version, but is not too old |
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| 18:44.49 | Vasistha | dob1: yeah, the testing version is 2.4, and unstable is the same; 3.0 is in experimental, but some other distros have probably already released it. Debian's a distro for stability, not so much for cutting edge :) |
| 18:44.55 | rmichel | hey |
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| 18:46.24 | bolt | how can I avoid listing the grep process when I do ps aux | grep something |
| 18:46.38 | rmichel | i hope someone can help me, i would like to rename + symlink my network dev. this is the config: http://paste.debian.net/21456/ - device is renamed, but no symlink |
| 18:47.02 | stew | bolt: use pgrep |
| 18:47.02 | mhymn | bolt: ps aux | grep sth | less ? |
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| 18:48.02 | mhymn | oh |
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| 18:50.14 | incipiens | hello i want to install debian on a external harddrive |
| 18:50.21 | incipiens | does this work well? |
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| 18:50.54 | stew | incipiens: does your bios allow you to boot from an external drive? |
| 18:51.39 | stew | rmichel: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 18:51.55 | stew | rmichel: i doubt you could symlink a network device, since it doesn't exist as a file in /dev |
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| 18:52.55 | iridos | indeed that is doubtful |
| 18:53.04 | oOarthurOo | I've got a muvotx fm mp3 player that I can't flatten in either gparted or cfdisk. Gparted tells me I don't have permission to open the device. Cfdisk seems to work but fdisk -l shows me that there is still a 128MB partition that I can't touch. Here's what my fdisk -l looks like.. http://pastebin.com/d7003b566 I could use some help flattening this thing. Cfdisk and gparted are the only tools I know how to use. |
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| 18:53.32 | incipiens | stew yes bios does allow this |
| 18:53.45 | iridos | flattening? use a big hammer |
| 18:54.00 | lifestream | Grrrr be nice be nice |
| 18:54.29 | stew | incipiens: then it should work just fine |
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| 18:55.43 | iridos | oOarthurOo, use "d" in fdisk, then? |
| 18:55.47 | andries_ | hello |
| 18:55.51 | oOarthurOo | wipe out then? Make like new? I'm not sure what the kids call it. |
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| 18:56.11 | andries_ | i've got a problem with grub:error 17 |
| 18:56.11 | iridos | oOarthurOo, or how about using: o create a new empty DOS partition table |
| 18:56.46 | incipiens | thx stew |
| 18:56.52 | oOarthurOo | I've gone through the fdisk manpage and I don't see those options in there. |
| 18:57.02 | iridos | oOarthurOo, fdisk /dev/yourdisk, type "help" |
| 18:57.05 | andries_ | anyone have already encountered this? |
| 18:57.06 | iridos | er |
| 18:57.09 | iridos | type "h" |
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| 18:57.31 | iridos | haha I meant type "m" |
| 18:57.32 | iridos | hell |
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| 18:57.46 | iridos | but actually every unknown command prints the help |
| 18:58.03 | iridos | so all of them work :) |
| 18:58.31 | abrotman | kids? |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | andries_: how about some more information ? |
| 18:58.49 | iridos | what about kids |
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| 18:59.43 | andries_ | abrotman .. i have 2 hd's 3 partitions on first 1 on the second |
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| 19:00.25 | andries_ | hd 1 Vista Debian Swap, hd2 reiserfs DATA |
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| 19:00.28 | oOarthurOo | I'm not sure what's going wrong here. I get a tiny help message but it doesn't have anything in it that I can't find in the manpage. Same with sfdisk. Maybe I'll have more luck with google. |
| 19:01.15 | andries_ | booted up Vista to play spore. Vista updates->Restart, error 17 |
| 19:01.47 | oOarthurOo | ah... here we go. I think I should use dd to complete flatten the usb disk. |
| 19:01.51 | andries_ | i've already tried to reinstall grub |
| 19:01.58 | oOarthurOo | Then recreate in gparted or cfdisk |
| 19:02.26 | andries_ | any idea? need more info? |
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| 19:02.58 | rmichel | stew: thank |
| 19:03.01 | rmichel | +s |
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| 19:03.16 | oOarthurOo | It's really messed up. When I plug it in it's reporting itself as a 1.8 GB volume to nauilus |
| 19:03.23 | oOarthurOo | It's only 512MB |
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| 19:03.53 | iridos | oOarthurOo, my fdisk is from util-linux 2.13.1.1-1 - and it definitely has "o" to create a new partition |
| 19:04.00 | kstt | does anybody know how to 'map' (or 'collect', or 'apply') a command on a stream please ? I'd like to use it like 'sed', but instead of giving a regexp I'd provide a command. |
| 19:04.08 | andries_ | abrotman ? |
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| 19:04.30 | oOarthurOo | iridos: It's ok. I appreciate the help, but I don't think fdisk can wipe out the boot sector as well. |
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| 19:04.52 | Sp3wn | i want to upgrade my system to lenny from etch but i dont have enough space to have both distro's packages on my system. is there a way to automatically remove the packages that won't be used anymore? |
| 19:04.53 | oOarthurOo | I was going to do this instead: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 |
| 19:05.15 | oOarthurOo | I cribbed that off a website though, does it look legitimate? |
| 19:05.17 | iridos | kstt, man xargs |
| 19:05.18 | stew | Sp3wn: aptitude autoremove |
| 19:05.29 | andries_ | ... |
| 19:05.37 | kstt | iridos: no I don't want xargs |
| 19:05.48 | kstt | I want something really like sed |
| 19:05.59 | kstt | operating on 1 line at a time |
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| 19:06.04 | kstt | and streaming the output |
| 19:06.08 | iridos | kstt, then you managed to tell what you want even less well than I thought |
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| 19:06.18 | stew | kstt: while read line ; do something with $line ; done |
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| 19:06.41 | kstt | stew: sounds good |
| 19:06.46 | kstt | thx :) |
| 19:07.29 | kstt | iridos: I guess you have never used a language with iterators so. |
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| 19:07.46 | iridos | .oO( now how is that different from "| xargs -i somescript '{}'" ) |
| 19:07.53 | ramanK | did the lenny packages freeze? |
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| 19:08.06 | kstt | because map, collect, and apply cover Ruby, Java, python, haskell, Lisp, and many more |
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| 19:08.40 | iridos | ramanK, yes |
| 19:08.47 | stew | ramanK: yes, in july: /msg dpkg lenny status |
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| 19:09.24 | kstt | iridos: I'm reading again the 6 lines synopsis of xargs to figure it out ... |
| 19:09.24 | stew | kstt: yes, you could use xargs for this as well |
| 19:09.43 | iridos | kstt, no, indeed these are the languages I've managed to mostly avoid |
| 19:09.45 | kstt | thank you iridos and stew |
| 19:09.48 | ramanK | i got the lenny dvds but the ooo & gnome packages are old, what can i do to update theme? |
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| 19:10.15 | kstt | iridos: congrats |
| 19:10.39 | stew | ramanK: what version of gnome do you have now? |
| 19:10.47 | stew | ramanK: and what version of openoffice.org? |
| 19:11.22 | ramanK | ooo 2.4.1 & gnome 2.22 |
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| 19:11.30 | oOarthurOo | ok... this is very strange. I did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 to wipe out my drive. Then I did fdisk -l to see what was there and was given this: http://pastebin.com/d75c4afc3 |
| 19:12.08 | stew | ramanK: wait for lenny to be released, and for new packages to be uploaded to unstable, then wait for them to move to squeeze and upgrade to squeeze |
| 19:12.20 | oOarthurOo | Now, if I open up gparted it silently fails to open up /dev/sdc, instead it only let's me see /dev/sdc1, which is a strange 128MB unformatted partition on /dev/sdc. If I try to format that as anything gparted crashes. |
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| 19:12.29 | iridos | oOarthurOo, it's not strange, you wrote 0's where there should be a partition table |
| 19:12.43 | iridos | you SHOULD have used fdisk to make an empty one as I told you |
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| 19:13.00 | msshams | can you introduce me a software that can organize my notes? a software like microsoft onenote. |
| 19:13.03 | iridos | oOarthurOo, "Disk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 19:13.14 | oOarthurOo | iridos: Because I just dd'd the thing. |
| 19:13.20 | stew | oOarthurOo: "fdisk /dev/sdc" should let you create a new partition table |
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| 19:13.59 | iridos | that's what I told him in the first place... and also how.... |
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| 19:14.07 | iridos | but I think he wants to suffer |
| 19:14.11 | iridos | so have fun |
| 19:15.32 | gener1c | .? #???? |
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| 19:16.02 | bhundven | rubia_ninfomana: is there a reason you change your nick so often? |
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| 19:18.30 | iridos | they're perhaps all used :) apropos nickchange - when I came in here with an unconfigured irssi, the nick that matched my account was configured to autochange the nick of unidentified users, so I ended up with GuestSomenumber... |
| 19:18.49 | oOarthurOo | iridos: No, I don't want to suffer. Forgive me for saying so but you typed 8 answers to one question then said it didn't really matter. As a fairly new and inexperienced Debian user I don't have a lot of tools to judge the quality of information I'm getting, so I try to be cautious with what I try. Not that creating a new partition table is terribly different from what I've been trying in the past. In any event, I've run fdisk |
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| 19:19.50 | Seb | given a tag, as gotten for instance by eminent.tag.getn(2, 1, true), how would one set the layout for this tag without having to make it the current one ? |
| 19:19.55 | iridos | the strange thing was that I couldn't speak with that nick and didn't even manage to change the nick because I couldn't speak... what mechanism did I run into there? |
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| 19:19.59 | yacek19 | hi |
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| 19:20.37 | Seb | wrong chan :) |
| 19:21.26 | iridos | oOarthurOo, I had actually pasted the relevant line already and... the "8 commands" which were really 3 were just for getting the help from fdisk... so of no consequence |
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| 19:22.19 | yacek19 | I have changed ram in my laptop, and now linux don't boot because kernel panic shows, windows don't boot either |
| 19:22.28 | yacek19 | memtest runs fine 100% no errors |
| 19:22.45 | jhamlin | hey folks I seem to have lost my connection to a samba server (I've mounted it with fstab). This is wierd because xp running in virtual box can still connect to the share. How can I get back access in etch?? |
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| 19:23.46 | arikonm | hi all! could somebody help me with iwl3945? it doesn't authenticate to my AP (I'm using WEP): pasted code: http://hup.hu/node/62969 (igonre hungarian babling) |
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| 19:25.44 | iridos | jhamlin, use smbclient to debug it... that gives you more verbose output than a mount, then go back to smbmount, then fstab |
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| 19:26.23 | admiral0 | is there anybody here to help? |
| 19:26.47 | bhundven | !ask |
| 19:26.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:27.42 | admiral0 | bhundven:i have already asked. If you scroll up and see what andries has written |
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| 19:28.36 | bhundven | If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:29.23 | stew | admiral0: how did you reinstall grub? |
| 19:29.40 | iridos | evil nickchangers :-P |
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| 19:29.49 | oOarthurOo | I think I may have figured out what's wrong with this device. It was recently restored using Creative tools. I think Creative, created a HPA partition. Because dd didn't actually zero it out like it is supposed to and now I just read that dd doesn't erase HPA partitions. |
| 19:29.56 | arikonm | hi all! could somebody help me with iwl3945? it doesn't authenticate to my AP (I'm using WEP): pasted code: http://hup.hu/node/62969 (igonre hungarian babling) |
| 19:30.20 | admiral0 | system rescue cd-> root (hd0,1) (debian)-> setup (hd0) |
| 19:30.41 | iridos | arikonm, looks like ... possibly the wrong key |
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| 19:31.16 | arikonm | can't be, I'm using this key on this laptop |
| 19:31.25 | oOarthurOo | also, the dd command executed almost instantly, which is another sign apparently |
| 19:31.28 | iridos | obviously it's trying to authenticate |
| 19:31.29 | arikonm | the other one doesn't work |
| 19:31.31 | admiral0 | stew:i've tried everything damn it |
| 19:31.50 | stew | admiral0: try the instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 19:32.05 | arikonm | iridos, look at the signal strenght |
| 19:32.09 | stew | oOarthurOo: that dd command you showed before should be pretty much instantaneous |
| 19:32.09 | arikonm | it's 0 |
| 19:32.23 | arikonm | but iwlist scanning says it has a signal |
| 19:33.02 | stew | oOarthurOo: you should expect your disk to write at megabytes per second, and the commadn you gave was asking to transfer .05 megabytes |
| 19:33.09 | jhamlin | is there a way I can just remount and smbfs? When I try to unmount I get "device is busy" and if I try to re- mount i get "Could not resolve mount point". Though I can access the server through \\ip in konqueror for example. |
| 19:33.43 | iridos | arikonm, looks the same there http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2008-04/msg00179.html |
| 19:33.44 | oOarthurOo | stew on a 512MB disk. ok. |
| 19:33.50 | jhamlin | ^^ remount _an_ |
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| 19:34.16 | stew | oOarthurOo: yes, no matter what the size of the disk, writing 512 bytes to it should be fast |
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| 19:35.50 | arikonm | iridos, I'm looking for that thread |
| 19:36.49 | iridos | I just mean signal strenght of 0 doesn't seem to be a rare occurrence with this module... |
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| 19:37.29 | iridos | but you're right - it doesn't say "AP denied association (code=18)", but just times out |
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| 19:37.51 | iridos | I guess you're directly next to the sender and not some buildings apart |
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| 19:38.58 | jhamlin | to rephrase: How can I remount a smbfs? |
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| 19:39.55 | oOarthurOo | well I'm re-running dd, but without the extra stuff on the end. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc is taking much longer. Hopefully it does a better job of erasing these mystery partitions messing up my muvo |
| 19:40.27 | iridos | jhamlin, umount it, then mount it again? |
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| 19:41.14 | iridos | jhamlin, umount /my/smbshare ; mount /my/smbshare |
| 19:41.41 | iridos | but actually smbmount is rather good at picking the mount up again e.g. after a windows machine was booted |
| 19:41.44 | jhamlin | iridos: When I try to unmount I get "device is busy" and if I try to re- mount i get "Could not resolve mount point". |
| 19:41.56 | bhundven | jhamlin: it sounds like some process is using the smbfs mount point. try using lsof, and grep the output to find what process is using that mount |
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| 19:42.28 | bhundven | jhamlin: or at least that is what I think when I see: "device is busy" |
| 19:42.32 | iridos | jhamlin, fuser -m /my/smbshare ; then ps aux |grep PID-number-from-fuser |
| 19:42.50 | arikonm | iridos, yes, the rouer is in the next room |
| 19:42.50 | iridos | jhamlin, omit the "o" , "c" or whatever character fuser prints after the pid |
| 19:42.52 | jhamlin | bhundven: yah I think kile (latex editor) is using the share but I don't want to quit it because when that happens it seems to replace the files I'm editing with empty data... :( |
| 19:43.14 | bhundven | jhamlin: you can't unmount or remount if a process is using the mount point. |
| 19:43.15 | iridos | jhamlin, you can't unmount the device while it's still used |
| 19:43.18 | iridos | ehe |
| 19:43.21 | iridos | bhundven, :) |
| 19:43.23 | bhundven | ;) |
| 19:43.26 | jhamlin | argggg |
| 19:43.44 | iridos | jhamlin, anyways, killing it now doesn't make any difference |
| 19:43.50 | jhamlin | Don't understand why this keeps happening. Doens't ever happen in my XP running in vitual box |
| 19:43.50 | iridos | jhamlin, as it can't access the drive |
| 19:44.04 | jhamlin | iridos: except that I loose a paper I've been working on for weeks |
| 19:44.05 | iridos | either your file is already borked, or it's not |
| 19:44.24 | iridos | jhamlin, no - either you've already lost it or you will not... |
| 19:44.34 | iridos | jhamlin, you might try to save to a different place while the program is open, though |
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| 19:45.46 | oOarthurOo | Didn't work. This disk is still pooched. |
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| 19:46.19 | iridos | oOarthurOo, did finally you do fdisk /dev/yourdisk, then type o, then type w? |
| 19:46.32 | oOarthurOo | Iridos yes. Twice. After a dd to zero it. |
| 19:46.46 | iridos | and that doesn't create a partition table? |
| 19:47.07 | iridos | what is /dev/yourdisk for you, btw.? |
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| 19:48.34 | admiral0 | damn it |
| 19:48.43 | admiral0 | i can't figure it out |
| 19:49.05 | admiral0 | i'm backing up and wiping out the rest |
| 19:49.11 | oOarthurOo | /dev/sdc .. here is output of fdisk -l after dd to zero and fdisk /dev/sdc then o then w |
| 19:49.15 | oOarthurOo | http://pastebin.com/dc07f1db |
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| 19:49.21 | jhamlin | okay thanks for this tips folks I managed to remount it and didn't end up losing my paper :D |
| 19:49.35 | bhundven | jhamlin: rad |
| 19:49.39 | jaggz | has anyone seen a printer do such a thing: http://bdh.voyager.com/ptest.jpg |
| 19:49.49 | jaggz | or recognize by seeing it what could be the cause? |
| 19:50.10 | iridos | oOarthurOo, looks good? |
| 19:50.36 | iridos | jhamlin, so what did you do? |
| 19:51.03 | oOarthurOo | iridos: If I open gparted to create a fat16 partition I get an error saying I don't have permission then opens up a 128MB partition called /dev/sdc1. If I use cfdisk I get this error: No primary partitions are marked bootable. DOS MBR cannot boot this. |
| 19:51.04 | iridos | jaggz, probably black is empty |
| 19:51.14 | iridos | or blocked |
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| 19:52.26 | oOarthurOo | and after exiting cfdisk the fdisk -l looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m5f14a249 (appended to bottom) |
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| 19:52.28 | iridos | oOarthurOo, I never used gparted... cfdisk can also create partitions - sounds like you made only logical partitions |
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| 19:52.47 | jhamlin | iridos: killed all the processes keeping it from unmounting. remounted it. Fortunately kile made a backup of my paper! |
| 19:52.47 | oOarthurOo | I created 1 primary partition using all available disk space |
| 19:53.07 | jaggz | weird.. printer's not speaking up about it |
| 19:53.29 | jaggz | that does look like black -- i couldn't put my finger on it. I feel ashamed, and thank you. |
| 19:54.06 | jaggz | the interesting thing is that black print prints.. so it must not be printing black when it does the plain graphics |
| 19:54.09 | iridos | oOarthurOo, you don't need a dos MBR to boot it, though - you can write the linux boot sector to the MBR |
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| 19:54.46 | oOarthurOo | iridos: I don't want to boot from it. All I want to do is create 1 fat16 partitino, or fat32, that will use up the entire disk space. |
| 19:54.49 | jaggz | ooarthur, no permission?? |
| 19:55.06 | jaggz | try fdisk for starters.. fdisk /dev/sdc |
| 19:55.06 | iridos | oOarthurOo, well, then you don't need to care about a warning that says it can't be booted |
| 19:55.10 | oOarthurOo | jaggz: I'm running these commands as root, so I can't see how that would be the case. |
| 19:55.17 | jaggz | use the ? or h for help in it |
| 19:55.32 | oOarthurOo | iridos: I don't. But I've only got 1 partition and it's not the correct size. |
| 19:55.52 | oOarthurOo | cfdisk and fdisk are refusing to create a partition that uses the entire size of the empty disk |
| 19:56.01 | iridos | oOarthurOo, how much does it differ? |
| 19:56.10 | iridos | and are you sure you got the correct size yourself? |
| 19:56.21 | oOarthurOo | about 395 MB |
| 19:56.27 | jaggz | ooarther, have you deleted all the partitions then re-created it? if you let fdisk do its default thing it'll use the whole remaining space |
| 19:56.39 | oOarthurOo | You can see for yourself here http://pastebin.com/m5f14a249 |
| 19:57.15 | oOarthurOo | jaggz: I dd'd the disk, the created a new table with fdisk. Then created a partition using cfdisk asking it to use the whole thing. It appeared to work, but fdisk -l disagrees. |
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| 19:57.32 | iridos | oOarthurOo, check with hdparm -I (perhaps also hdparm -i) what the drive reports about it's geometry... |
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| 19:57.58 | jaggz | 1008 cylinders eh.. maybe you're hitting one of our enjoyable pasttime limits |
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| 19:59.16 | iridos | anyways... seems the partition is bigger than the disk |
| 19:59.54 | jaggz | I'm not sure where the limit is though -- it appears sda handles the addressing fine.. so perhaps this [obviously?] old drive can't handle addressing larger than 1008 cylinders per partition, or perhaps the partitioning software you're using recognizes that the fs type can't handle that and refuses.. can you create a 495mb linux partition on it without a problem? |
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| 20:00.36 | iridos | but fat can do more than that |
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| 20:00.57 | jaggz | iridos is speaking to us.. 1008 is larger than 252 |
| 20:01.16 | iridos | har har... how about mkfs.vfat /dev/hdc :-P |
| 20:01.25 | jaggz | so why won't black print in an image when it does in the text surrounding the image? |
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| 20:02.39 | iridos | jaggz, perhaps it's got a black-out..... (writhe in pain... the evil word-joker has struck again) |
| 20:03.08 | jaggz | tweested! |
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| 20:03.53 | Xyar | anyone know of a way to repair bad magic numbers on ubuntu? I shutdown a server wrong and now it doesn't work right. I'd rather not reinstall the OS if I can help it. |
| 20:04.04 | oOarthurOo | sorry ... on the phone |
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| 20:05.49 | laeb0rg | hey |
| 20:06.21 | laeb0rg | how can i get my system to start vnc4server on system startup |
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| 20:12.21 | kqr | why doesn't sed want to perform an operation like 's/\n/ /g' on a running ping? |
| 20:12.23 | kqr | is there somehting i've missed here? |
| 20:13.15 | bhundven | laeb0rg: add it to /etc/rc.local |
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| 20:14.48 | stew | kqr: sed is line oriented, so you don't see the \ns, try "tr '\n' ' '" instead |
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| 20:16.49 | kqr | stew: hmm, did sound like a good idea, but still output is blank :/ |
| 20:17.15 | bhundven | kqr: ping 2>&1 | tr '\n' ' ' |
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| 20:17.45 | bhundven | granted, you'd put the hostname/ip after ping 8) |
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| 20:18.50 | bhundven | hmm. actually, that didn't work either |
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| 20:21.21 | stew | kqr: right "ping google.com | tr -d \\n" never seems to give output but, for instance, "ping -c 3 google.com 2>&1 | tr -d \\n" does |
| 20:21.44 | kqr | :S |
| 20:21.57 | bhundven | weird |
| 20:22.28 | lee__ | ok I am going to probably ask the age old question but...Iam out of roms and with nother choice, I need to do a USB net install..besides I need to learn it sooner or later lol |
| 20:22.55 | lee__ | eh and I need it to be straight forwars |
| 20:23.00 | lee__ | *forward |
| 20:23.11 | kqr | stew: strange, but enough for my purposes, actually |
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| 20:24.01 | lee__ | eh in a shorter phrase lol if it can be done, I need it to be simple and to the pint |
| 20:24.03 | bhundven | lee__: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 20:24.06 | bhundven | rtm |
| 20:24.24 | bhundven | :-D |
| 20:24.26 | lee__ | been there and that sight confuses the heck out of me, I don't know waht to looook for |
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| 20:24.59 | bhundven | just follow it line by line. if you *are* reading the manual, and you have questions, then this is the right place to ask. |
| 20:25.27 | kqr | bhundven / stew: can i easily add a single newline to the end of the stream to get tidier output? |
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| 20:26.24 | stew | kqr: ping -c3 1.2.3.4 | tr '\n' ' ' ; echo |
| 20:26.37 | bhundven | heh, exactly what I was typing... |
| 20:26.54 | kqr | xD |
| 20:27.10 | kqr | wow great |
| 20:27.13 | kqr | thanks alot :D |
| 20:27.26 | kqr | what i love about #debian is that everyone knows what they're doing xD |
| 20:27.59 | stew | if everyone knew what they were doing, nobody would be asking questions :P |
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| 20:28.00 | bhundven | and if they don't, we'll all learn together. |
| 20:28.02 | jelly-hme | WHEEE |
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| 20:28.46 | maligor | stew, they might be asking purely factual questions |
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| 20:29.03 | maligor | like: what is the distance between d and n in the name? |
| 20:29.13 | n3kl | maligor: google |
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| 20:29.20 | maligor | heh |
| 20:29.41 | bhundven | really though. half of the questions I answer, either come from my experience, or google. |
| 20:30.09 | bhundven | the topic should actually start with: Have you tried google yet? |
| 20:30.14 | kqr | xD |
| 20:30.58 | stew | one can easily find some really bad answers on google |
| 20:31.03 | bhundven | true |
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| 20:31.30 | maligor | better to ask the wise men on irc, eh? |
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| 20:31.49 | amf | What is the replacement for update-alternatives? I want to change sensible-browser, but don't want to mess with $BROWSER |
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| 20:32.07 | stew | amf: there isn't a replacement, its still update-alternatives |
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| 20:32.48 | Jinx_ | lol, lets make a ldp bot |
| 20:32.51 | amf | stew: I thought there was something installed by default that did it (lenny here)... |
| 20:32.55 | bhundven | I think the mantra is: 1) rtm 2) try google 3) ask dpkg 4) ask irc 5) try google 6) rtm 7) ask irc |
| 20:33.06 | stew | amf: yeah, update-alternatives is installed by default |
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| 20:33.38 | lee__ | erg.. ok why can't a usb stick install be just like a cd ISO??? why can't it be made simple rather then complicated |
| 20:33.44 | kqr | wow |
| 20:33.46 | amf | stew: Yep I'm dumb, /usr/sbin not in my path |
| 20:33.47 | kqr | i just love bash |
| 20:33.48 | kqr | xD |
| 20:33.56 | stew | amf: you need to be root, yeah |
| 20:34.14 | lee__ | I can't wait tll DVD and Cds go the way of the DODO t |
| 20:34.40 | kqr | can i tell grep to select all lines containing either foo OR bar? |
| 20:35.17 | stew | lee__: yes, currently the usb install method is sacrificing ease of use in favor of flexibility |
| 20:35.41 | n3kl | Kurlon: grep 'foo\|bar' |
| 20:35.48 | kqr | n3kl: thx, will try |
| 20:35.50 | lee__ | But what I don't understand is why |
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| 20:36.15 | bhundven | ifconfig | grep -E '(RX|TX)' # works for me ;) |
| 20:36.22 | lee__ | it seems that it should have equal priorty |
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| 20:38.08 | lee__ | ewspecialy for those of us that run out of DVD and can't get to a store lol |
| 20:38.19 | lee__ | or don' want to waste DVDs |
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| 20:40.35 | lee__ | ok the other option is that I have a live dvd but no install feature is there a way to get that on to the hdd? |
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| 20:41.14 | stew | lee__: the live dvd has an install feature |
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| 20:42.48 | stew | lee__: the reason why there are no easier to install usb images is likely that nobody has volunteered to do the work required to make them automatically built |
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| 20:44.19 | korney | what is the default firewall app on debian? is it iptables? if so, where is the default set of rules? i see that only 3 ports are open |
| 20:44.54 | stew | korney: the default is "none" |
| 20:45.10 | lee__ | I think I may have found an answer |
| 20:45.29 | lee__ | Eh trying the Ubuntus make a USB INstaller program? |
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| 20:45.40 | lee__ | not sure it it will work ornot lol |
| 20:46.14 | lee__ | so I gues for the work to be done, CDs and dvds will ahve to basically become extinct |
| 20:46.39 | stew | what? no |
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| 20:46.59 | stew | lee__: there is no reason it couldn't be done now |
| 20:47.09 | lee__ | Ill brb with a report to see how this went, either a failure or a success |
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| 20:47.28 | lee__ | yeah especialy when DVDs get scrtaced |
| 20:47.33 | n3kl | Why don't you just use the usb installer? |
| 20:47.36 | stew | what? |
| 20:47.47 | lee__ | out of all my uses of sd cards I only had one failure |
| 20:47.57 | valdyn | korney: youre confused |
| 20:48.05 | lee__ | Dvds can get scratched or dammaged |
| 20:48.21 | valdyn | korney: ports being open in default debian is unrelated to debians firewall, which is off by default |
| 20:48.23 | lee__ | any how Ill brb |
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| 20:48.51 | n3kl | valdyn: are there any ports even open on a default install? |
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| 20:49.02 | nAgoHaK | hi. where can i find a repo with latest gimp for lenny(testing) ? |
| 20:49.04 | n3kl | valdyn: I guess dhclient maybe |
| 20:49.21 | valdyn | n3kl: well, probably not, but people will often select tasks |
| 20:49.34 | valdyn | n3kl: and that will be their "default" im guessing |
| 20:49.36 | pickcoder | has anyone see a problem with dmraid for the nvidia controllers only showing a single RAID device regardless of the controller settings? |
| 20:50.45 | oOarthurOo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:51.31 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: dmraid is a hack anyway; any special reason to use it? |
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| 20:51.57 | pickcoder | just curious |
| 20:52.12 | pickcoder | I'm on the Fedora/Mainpine stretch again |
| 20:52.22 | pickcoder | it toasted my backup drive |
| 20:52.22 | Jinx_ | I think all the install cds should be RW |
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| 20:52.53 | pickcoder | same board that I have about 3 machines running Debian on |
| 20:53.18 | nadar_aao | when i want to get debian from here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_rc1/i386/bt-dvd/ i get the error: Tracker: [Failure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."] |
| 20:53.50 | nadar_aao | what's to do for getting debian with BT? |
| 20:53.54 | oOarthurOo | I'm just doing dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc to get back to square one. I'm still concerned that the Creative disk utility created a HPA that is untouchable. Apparently these things cause the firmware to misreport the size of the disk so that tools like fdisk and dd fail to actually get rid of the protected partition. |
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| 20:54.23 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: linux seens hpa |
| 20:54.25 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: linux sees hpa |
| 20:54.39 | Jinx_ | RWs...eventualy fail, that is why it is good to have a hard copy |
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| 20:54.43 | oOarthurOo | valdyn: So if I dd a disk I can rule out an hpa partition as the cause of my woes |
| 20:54.52 | stew | nadar_aao: yeah, the lenny images change so frequently that they don't get seeded, just get it over http which is faster anyway |
| 20:55.07 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: why would the hpa partition be the cause of any woe? |
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| 20:55.42 | soulchild | Hi all,... anzone experinecing wrong keyboard layout with todays update of X in lenny _ |
| 20:55.43 | nadar_aao | stew, so for mostly seeding purposes you would suggest a more stable version? |
| 20:55.56 | stew | nadar_aao: no, i'd suggest just grabbing the lenny netinst over http |
| 20:56.06 | stew | nadar_aao: are you installing onto a machine that has internet access? |
| 20:56.49 | nadar_aao | stew, i want to get it for i can seed it :) last images have reached 100GB/iso ^^ |
| 20:56.50 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: linux sees and respects hpa by default, so you cant just overwrite it |
| 20:57.02 | oOarthurOo | valdyn: I have a 512MB creative Muvo mp3 player. I dd to zero it. I create a partition table using fdisk, then o, then w. I then use cfdisk to create a fat32 partition using the entire disk. But when I check it again with fdisk it wrongly reports the size of the disk. And if I try and open it in gparted it fails to open something silently, then shows my 512MB disk as a 128MB disk unformatted. |
| 20:57.29 | oOarthurOo | valdyn: I want to disrespect the HPA. I want to flatten this thing. |
| 20:57.46 | blue_asterisk | anybody here happen to run openvz on debian? |
| 20:57.50 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: how do you know it even is an hpa? |
| 20:58.00 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: as opposed to being plan write protected? |
| 20:58.01 | oOarthurOo | valdyn: I don't. I'm guessing. |
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| 20:58.48 | oOarthurOo | valdyn: You mean like a switch on my usb device that prevents writing to it? |
| 20:59.03 | ma3x | is it the same thing if i add 'ipw3945 hwcrypto=1' and if i do 'modprobe ipw3945 hwcrypto=1'? |
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| 20:59.35 | oOarthurOo | it doesn't have a lock switch or any physical means to write protect the disk |
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| 21:00.12 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_Protected_Area |
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| 21:01.26 | iridos | bhundven, the "no-output" of kqr was because of line buffering... (just in case you and stew didn't figure that - he definitely didnt, but he's gone) |
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| 21:01.53 | iridos | stew, one can also find some excellent answers on google, though :) |
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| 21:02.59 | abrotman | ma3x: add where? |
| 21:03.11 | nAgoHaK | hi. where can i find a repo with latest gimp for lenny(testing) ? |
| 21:03.43 | ma3x | abrotman: to /etc/modules |
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| 21:04.27 | oOarthurOo | ok... well, I ran dmesg after pluggin the device in, and I don't see any indicatino of an HPA sector. This is the output though, and it doesn't look that good. http://pastebin.com/d64de00cb |
| 21:04.34 | oOarthurOo | Perhaps this drive is simply failing? |
| 21:04.46 | oOarthurOo | Oh and I also see it is not write protected. |
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| 21:05.52 | iridos | just put a fs on it, mount it and see what you got and if you can write/read it without problems |
| 21:05.56 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: it just has a broken partition: "[79576.913993] sdc: p1 exceeds device capacity" |
| 21:06.15 | iridos | stop messing about, it's a smallish usb-stick, you can get a 4GB stick for $17, I've seen |
| 21:06.17 | oOarthurOo | Let me fdisk it again and see what changes |
| 21:06.25 | valdyn | oOarthurOo: where broken just means that the partition is bigger than theres space on that disk |
| 21:06.28 | oOarthurOo | iridos: It's a music player |
| 21:06.35 | iridos | mmm... |
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| 21:07.14 | JyZyXEL | hmm so i wonder how do i make "ifup eth2" add the route to another routing table |
| 21:07.53 | valdyn | !wayttd JyZyXEL |
| 21:07.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, JyZyXEL? |
| 21:08.04 | JyZyXEL | valdyn just what i said |
| 21:08.06 | stew | JyZyXEL: do it in a post-up line |
| 21:08.25 | JyZyXEL | stew but im not sure how to do it |
| 21:08.30 | ma3x | can i add 'modulename options=value' in /etc/modules? |
| 21:08.35 | iridos | hehe |
| 21:08.36 | ma3x | does it load with the options? |
| 21:08.38 | iridos | !be routing barbie |
| 21:08.38 | dpkg | But routing is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
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| 21:08.43 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: you have only one routing table, i dont see how you want to add anything "to another" |
| 21:09.01 | JyZyXEL | valdyn you can have many routing tables |
| 21:09.06 | ma3x | is there a way to find the loaded modules' options? |
| 21:09.18 | stew | JyZyXEL: so your question is "how do i add something to a routing table"? |
| 21:09.45 | JyZyXEL | guess ill have to make a script that takes the route from main to another table |
| 21:10.10 | stew | JyZyXEL: its just ip route add .... table tablename |
| 21:10.10 | iridos | ma3x, the module might say on load what the options where... look in demesg |
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| 21:10.29 | JyZyXEL | stew but its gotta have the info from DHCP |
| 21:10.32 | lord-carlos | Hi |
| 21:10.48 | JyZyXEL | the only way i know where to get that info is from the route it adds to the main |
| 21:10.49 | oOarthurOo | Well, after fdisk /dev/sdc then o then w ... dmesg shows a clean detection and no errors. Also, there is no indication of an hpa, which according to the wiki page valdyn linked for me I should be seeing using Debian Lenny. |
| 21:10.50 | stew | JyZyXEL: then add scripts to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/ |
| 21:10.51 | oOarthurOo | http://pastebin.com/d4eca632 |
| 21:10.58 | lord-carlos | Is there a way to reset iptables to default witout restarting? |
| 21:11.03 | stew | JyZyXEL: no it isn't |
| 21:11.16 | stew | JyZyXEL: oh, i misread, nevermind my last comment |
| 21:11.38 | ma3x | iridos: no it doesn't sya |
| 21:11.43 | JyZyXEL | well the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/debug seems to contain some DHCP variables |
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| 21:11.46 | lord-carlos | *without restarting the system |
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| 21:12.23 | dustybin | it says this on the front local web page of the CUPS server: "If you are asked for a username and password, enter your login username and password or the "root" username and password." <-- is that stupid, or is that stupid? |
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| 21:12.45 | stew | lord-carlos: iptables -X to remove a chain, iptables -F to flush, iptables -P to set default policy |
| 21:12.54 | lord-carlos | thanks |
| 21:12.59 | n3kl | Are there any plans to implement pnfs in debian any time soon? |
| 21:13.34 | lord-carlos | stew: iptables v1.4.1.1: Unknown arg `-P' |
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| 21:13.56 | Symbi0nt | hi |
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| 21:14.24 | Symbi0nt | I am in a VMware with debian console only. How can I check which sd* is my usb drive .. |
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| 21:14.28 | nAgoHaK | hi. where can i find a repo with latest gimp for lenny(testing) ? |
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| 21:14.41 | Symbi0nt | the stick itself has no linux fs atm |
| 21:14.42 | soulchild | Hi all |
| 21:14.48 | iridos | lord-carlos, unlikely... see /sbin/iptables -h | grep 'P ' |
| 21:14.57 | Symbi0nt | I want to format the stick and put grub on it |
| 21:15.09 | Symbi0nt | sg_scan -i does nothing for me |
| 21:15.12 | pickcoder | Symbi0nt: fdisk -l will list all block devices that are available |
| 21:15.22 | pickcoder | lsusb may show if it's being detected at all |
| 21:15.23 | soulchild | since todays X Update in Lenny, the XkbLayout in xorg.conf has no effect, so that I have a us keyboard layout instead of german ,... does anyone know what to do ? |
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| 21:15.41 | nAgoHaK | where can i find a repo with latest gimp for lenny(testing) ? can anybody help me ? |
| 21:16.04 | lord-carlos | gimp2.6 is in experimentel AFAIK |
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| 21:16.27 | stew | lord-carlos: wors for me |
| 21:16.51 | stew | soulchild: setxkbmap de |
| 21:16.58 | stew | nAgoHaK: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:17.02 | stew | nAgoHaK: what country are you in |
| 21:17.17 | soulchild | stew is solving problems simously :D |
| 21:17.25 | lord-carlos | stew: only "iptables -P" with no other parapeters? |
| 21:17.32 | lord-carlos | *parameters |
| 21:17.41 | nAgoHaK | lord-carlos: can i make debian install only gimp package from experimental and leave experimental in sources.list and when upgrading packages not to take other packages from experimental ? |
| 21:17.49 | stew | lord-carlos: no, you'd have to say which table/chain and what the default policy would be |
| 21:17.53 | soulchild | nAgoHaK: yes |
| 21:18.06 | lord-carlos | stew: :S ok ... i think i restart |
| 21:18.10 | nAgoHaK | soulchild: how? |
| 21:18.22 | lord-carlos | stew: i am new to iptables |
| 21:18.24 | izaak | if i install testing now, will it be a pretty clean upgrade process to the final lenny release? |
| 21:18.53 | stew | lord-carlos: for instance, to reset the policy on the INPUT chain would be "iptable -P INPUT ACCEPT" |
| 21:18.57 | stew | iptables* |
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| 21:19.23 | lord-carlos | thanks for the help |
| 21:19.53 | iridos | izaak, your guess is as good as ours...? |
| 21:20.10 | stew | izaak: yes |
| 21:20.23 | nAgoHaK | stew: can i make debian install only gimp package from experimental and leave experimental in sources.list and when upgrading packages not to take other packages from experimental ? |
| 21:20.30 | oOarthurOo | Someone earlier had suggested that I play with the allocation size of the disk. That the new default may be too large for the firmware of this old usb stick to recognize. I didn't understand it too well though so I'm not really able to google for the correct fdisk options. Does any of that make sense to someone? |
| 21:20.33 | stew | nAgoHaK: don't use experimental |
| 21:20.45 | nAgoHaK | stew: I need the latest gimp .. |
| 21:21.39 | izaak | iridos: what's unclear to me is whether once lenny becomes stable, can my installation also move to stable? i.e. i don't want to run whatever debian starts moving to in testing after lenny. |
| 21:22.02 | stew | izaak: yes, just make sure your sources.list points to "lenny" and not "testing" |
| 21:22.04 | oOarthurOo | I think I have to change -b sector size, but what should I specify for an old disk and a fat 16 partition. 512? |
| 21:22.16 | stew | izaak: and make sure you have a security.debian.org entry: /msg dpkg testing security |
| 21:22.39 | iridos | izaak, sure - just switch testing to stable in sources.list, then - or it'll automatically stay with lenny if you give the name "lenny" instead of "testing" |
| 21:22.43 | izaak | stew: ok, so should i install testing, or a lenny beta? |
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| 21:23.21 | izaak | oh so i could install testing and switch the names to lenny right off the bat? |
| 21:23.26 | Symbi0nt | how to dismount a usb drive by console |
| 21:23.33 | Symbi0nt | unmount? |
| 21:23.34 | oOarthurOo | I tried to grab some information from the disk using hdparm -I /dev/sdc and I got this error: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Input/output error |
| 21:23.44 | stew | Symbi0nt: umount not unmount |
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| 21:24.09 | stew | izaak: they are the same thing |
| 21:24.16 | norc | Hello. Is there any Debian way to hook an equalizer into alsa? |
| 21:24.22 | stew | izaak: if you install testing, the names in sources.list should be lenny |
| 21:24.31 | izaak | stew: cool. thanks. |
| 21:24.38 | Symbi0nt | I missed which device the usb drive has got .. I think its sdb .. how can I recheck that ... lsusb -v has a LOT of informations but not that one |
| 21:24.44 | pickcoder | norc: IIRC there are mixers with EQs available |
| 21:24.51 | pickcoder | I don't use sound much in Linux, though |
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| 21:25.17 | norc | Well, I dont want application specific equalizers. |
| 21:25.21 | stew | Symbi0nt: "mount" will list the mounted filesystems, then you can unmount one with "umount /dev/sdb" or if it is mounted to /media/sdb (or something) you can unmount with "umount /media/sdb" |
| 21:25.58 | norc | Symbi0nt: if its not mounted dmesg will tell you which device name will be used. |
| 21:26.02 | oOarthurOo | nevermind... it's an old drive that must not support hdparm |
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| 21:26.34 | Symbi0nt | thanks guys |
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| 21:29.28 | oOarthurOo | damn. Once again I formatted it to fat16 and get these errrors in dmesg when I plug it in [84913.697024] attempt to access beyond end of device |
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| 21:31.58 | scribeskul | Quick question, is the package management for Debian so that if I install something (which I have) and then uninstall all traces through the package management, then ALL traces are uninstalled? I only ask because I know some OS's will uninstall but will still leave traces on the OS. You guys know what I mean? |
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| 21:33.03 | pickcoder | scribeskul: yes if you use the purge option |
| 21:33.04 | stew | scribeskul: when you remove a package, it leaves configuration files behind, so that if you install it again, it should be in the same configuration as when it was last installed. if you purge a pacakge it also removes the configuration files |
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| 21:33.40 | oOarthurOo | I'm gonna reboot into windows and hope it stays up long enough that I can reformat the thing using creatives firmware update utility and rescue utility. Maybe I'll get lucky. |
| 21:33.46 | scribeskul | Through the package management tool I noticed an option that uninstalls 'residual''s left behin from uninstalled programs...same as purging? |
| 21:33.47 | oOarthurOo | Thanks for the assistance all |
| 21:34.03 | oOarthurOo | iridos: Thanks for the help |
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| 21:34.09 | stew | scribeskul: which package management tool? |
| 21:34.12 | pickcoder | scribeskul: do you mean orphaned packages? |
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| 21:34.25 | scribeskul | sorry...through Synaptic Package Manaement tool |
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| 21:34.56 | scribeskul | I am running Debian, latest stable, GNOME |
| 21:35.31 | stew | maybe. can you "dpkg -l packagename" for one such 'residual' pacakge, and tell us what is in the first column? (should be two letters, like 'ii' or 'pn' or 'rc' or soem such) |
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| 21:36.30 | scribeskul | stew well I uninstalled the residuals already, let me try that at the prompt though |
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| 21:37.21 | scribeskul | stew: pn is in the first column |
| 21:38.09 | stew | scribeskul: well the 'n' means that it has been purged. so i'd guess that is what it is taking about |
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| 21:38.46 | scribeskul | stew: so the 'pn' is telling me the package no longer exists on my system, config files and all, corrent? |
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| 21:39.06 | scribeskul | stew *corrent = correct |
| 21:39.15 | stew | scribeskul: the 'n' is, yes |
| 21:39.48 | scribeskul | stew: thank you so much. Awesome! the last thing I want to do is polute this brand new shiny system with a lot of uninstalls/reinstalls as I test out some of these packages hahaha |
| 21:40.24 | stew | scribeskul: the first column is "what did you ask for" the second column is "what is the current state". so its "you asked it to be _P_urged", and "currently _N_o" files installed. for a package which was remived and not purged the n would be a c for "config files remain" |
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| 21:40.52 | lee__ | ok, I have a question I have Ubuntu and would like to try debian. Ubuntu has this thing called create a Start ub USB Stick. 1 are sd cards in that realm of decises and 2 woul that creating of an ISO work..if not is there something simmmular that can take an ISO and then creat a bootable Sdt device that way? |
| 21:40.56 | scribeskul | stew: thanks again, you've been a great help! |
| 21:41.05 | stew | scribeskul: you're welcome |
| 21:41.37 | lee__ | I have no more dvds left and I try to read all that that is on the debian sight and I can't take it in |
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| 21:43.41 | stew | lee__: there is unetbootin, i've not used it, and don't know if it works with the debian isntaller. you can install debian from a usb stick, as you know. the procedure that works for a usb stick would work for a sd card |
| 21:44.12 | Symbi0nt | I did a mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb on my usb drive .. I thought that would create 1 partition .. but does not |
| 21:44.28 | stew | Symbi0nt: no, it makes a filesystem on the disk without a partition |
| 21:44.28 | Symbi0nt | a hint please what to do next with which tool |
| 21:44.34 | Symbi0nt | err |
| 21:44.40 | Symbi0nt | fdisk now? |
| 21:44.42 | stew | Symbi0nt: you can 'mount /dev/sdb mountpoint' |
| 21:44.46 | lee__ | Ok coolio I have tried to track all that line of code and it drives me insane |
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| 21:45.03 | Symbi0nt | I want grub on the stick to boot from .. |
| 21:45.09 | stew | Symbi0nt: if you need a partition, then use fdisk, but you'll have to mkfs again |
| 21:45.09 | Symbi0nt | i guess i need a partition anyway |
| 21:45.13 | stew | then yes |
| 21:45.14 | lee__ | ok, my PC will or it says it will boot from the USB device |
| 21:45.21 | Symbi0nt | a thank you |
| 21:45.27 | lee__ | akkkkk ok |
| 21:45.37 | lee__ | ah ok that is where I am goign wrong then |
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| 21:45.54 | XLV | Symbi0nt, you dont need grub, well, not unless you want more than one OSs in the stick, you need to use syslinux |
| 21:45.55 | lee__ | eh wait I have to partion it using windows? |
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| 21:46.02 | stew | lee__: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:46.16 | Symbi0nt | I want grub to boot *.iso images |
| 21:46.24 | stew | lee__: i don't think there is anything that a windows partitioner could do that couldn't be done from debian or ubuntu |
| 21:46.26 | Symbi0nt | at least that is what I *want* toi have |
| 21:46.31 | Symbi0nt | no idea if that will work out |
| 21:46.49 | stew | Symbi0nt: grub doesn't know how to boot iso images |
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| 21:46.52 | Symbi0nt | 8GB usb stick and a bunch of iso imagges |
| 21:47.02 | lee__ | stew I am trying to creat a bootable Sd card so taht I can load Debian from it rather then using a cd or dvd as I have none left |
| 21:47.12 | Symbi0nt | grub has fromiso parameters |
| 21:47.25 | stew | lee__: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 21:47.28 | lee__ | I tried to follow all that linde of code and it just confuses the heck out of me |
| 21:47.35 | pickcoder | Symbi0nt: you only need the net install CD ISO |
| 21:47.48 | Symbi0nt | and that does what? |
| 21:47.50 | lee__ | ? |
| 21:47.51 | XLV | Symbi0nt, yeah, i was searchin something like that myself... removed floppy/dvdrom from server, and floppies from desktops |
| 21:47.53 | stew | lee__: if there is something in there that confuses you, please ask us specific questions about it |
| 21:47.54 | pickcoder | gives you a base system |
| 21:48.03 | pickcoder | with network access for apt to grab from the repositories |
| 21:48.05 | stew | Symbi0nt: oh sorry, ignore me then |
| 21:48.21 | Symbi0nt | i dont want a base system. ... I want an usb stick full of iso images I can boot |
| 21:48.25 | dustybin | pickcoder: i remember you from #postfix :P |
| 21:48.31 | dustybin | small world |
| 21:48.34 | Symbi0nt | with debian iso, knoppix, windows and so forth |
| 21:48.39 | pickcoder | Symbi0nt: a USB-live drive? |
| 21:48.49 | Symbi0nt | well .. |
| 21:48.51 | pickcoder | dustybin: heh I get around |
| 21:49.09 | Symbi0nt | more a replacement for all my rescure cd stack |
| 21:49.11 | lee__ | meh..no such file or directory lol |
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| 21:50.02 | lee__ | Mehk no command found jsut a sec Ill see if I can down load it |
| 21:50.09 | Symbi0nt | I *dream* of USB stick full with 20+ bootable cd images .. i can access (and boot) via usb stick .. with a nice menu which to boot |
| 21:50.25 | jelly-hme | Symbi0nt: your BIOS will have a hard time booting from an ISO image on a filesystem |
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| 21:50.49 | XLV | Symbi0nt, yeah, and when you first boot into system and do a apt-get update; apt-get ugprade it will list 100 packages and 500MB of upgrades |
| 21:50.55 | Symbi0nt | if it is able to do it I dont care if my BIOS :) has a hard time to do it |
| 21:51.11 | XLV | Symbi0nt, what you describe is useful for a pc with no net access |
| 21:51.22 | lee__ | Ok my specifi question is this, How do I get an easy debain loader for the USB stick |
| 21:51.24 | Symbi0nt | and with no cd drive :> |
| 21:51.37 | ma3x | doe |
| 21:51.37 | Symbi0nt | and belive me nice for windows pcs in trouble :> |
| 21:51.41 | pickcoder | Symbi0nt: external drive booting is supported so why not just use a SATA drive |
| 21:51.42 | lee__ | and if I need to fdisk and for mat the stick how do I do that |
| 21:51.58 | lee__ | I don't have one |
| 21:52.03 | ma3x | does 'modulename options......' work if i add it to /etc/modules ? |
| 21:52.06 | Symbi0nt | because my usb drive has 8GB and has the size of a thumbnail |
| 21:52.07 | ma3x | damn i asked this question 3 times already |
| 21:52.14 | ma3x | how come nobody replies? |
| 21:52.30 | Symbi0nt | therefore very handy |
| 21:52.38 | Symbi0nt | and always with me |
| 21:52.43 | lee__ | erg no paste bin |
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| 21:52.44 | XLV | pickcoder, thats what i have done.. dvdrom in a usb2 5.25 case.. i got a usb floppy too.. but mainly now i use usb sticks.. 2GB ones are like 2 euro each.. i am getting a 8GB one though also, if i even need to cram in there the whole dvd iso |
| 21:52.50 | stew | ma3x: no, use modprobe.d "man modprobe.conf" |
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| 21:53.33 | pickcoder | another option is eSATA SSD |
| 21:53.34 | lee__ | Ihave a simple 1 gigger |
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| 21:53.42 | pickcoder | no needles or platters to shift around |
| 21:54.19 | Symbi0nt | is there a simple line for fdisk to just do one partition is the whatevery blocksize |
| 21:54.20 | XLV | pickcoder, still costly, but yeah its a nice way |
| 21:54.23 | pickcoder | and they don't need atmosphere to operate so you could put them in vacuum |
| 21:54.31 | Symbi0nt | fdisk /dev/sdb |
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| 21:54.55 | lee__ | basicaly waht I am looking for is a program that will take an ISO File and creat a USB bootable drive.... |
| 21:55.21 | stew | lee__: unetbootin |
| 21:55.31 | lee__ | ok where do I get taht at? |
| 21:55.38 | stew | lee__: not in debian |
| 21:55.58 | lee__ | ok googling it |
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| 21:56.50 | ma3x | stew: if i do modprobe $module, does it read from /etc/modprobe.d/ ? or it reads from that directory only upon boot? |
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| 21:57.14 | neuro_damage | how do I add a hardy repo |
| 21:58.01 | Guerin | neuro_damage: you don't |
| 21:58.25 | stew | ma3x: it reads from /etc/modprobe.d when you run modprobe, not just at boot |
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| 21:59.15 | stew | neuro_damage: why do you want to add a hardy repository? |
| 21:59.19 | ma3x | stew: and if a module is already loaded, is there a way to find out with what 'options' is it loaded? or you have to know if you put options or not when you modprobed it? |
| 21:59.20 | neuro_damage | Guerin: well there's a package I need, called kpartx for my linuxmint distro, that uses deb packages :( |
| 21:59.27 | neuro_damage | stew: that's for you as well |
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| 21:59.54 | stew | judd: versions kpartx |
| 21:59.55 | judd | stew: kpartx: 0.4.8-13 (lenny) 0.4.8-13 (sid) |
| 22:00.01 | stew | neuro_damage: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:00.08 | neuro_damage | stew: heh, linuxmint :) |
| 22:00.23 | neuro_damage | stew: but that channel is dead, but they're using ubuntu/debian style repos, so that's enough for me :) |
| 22:00.24 | stew | neuro_damage: then you shouldn't be asking here, find a linuxmint channel |
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| 22:01.05 | stew | ma3x: you can find out what parameters a module was loaded with by looking in /sys |
| 22:01.24 | neuro_damage | stew: oh my god, wrong channel, sorry wrong train of thought completely, I have kpartx, on this box heh, I need to get it on gentoo |
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| 22:01.37 | stew | neuro_damage: ask #gentoo |
| 22:01.50 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite neuro_damage |
| 22:01.50 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling neuro_damage, and when it's all done, neuro_damage runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 22:02.00 | neuro_damage | stew: heh my mistake :) |
| 22:02.41 | pickcoder | at least it's not -2% faster |
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| 22:03.24 | ma3x | stew: i'm at /sys/module/ipw3945 it has following structure: drivers holders initstate notes parameters refcnt sections srcversion version where do i look exactly? |
| 22:03.37 | stew | ma3x: i dont' remember |
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| 22:03.43 | stew | ma3x: i'd guess parameters |
| 22:03.50 | ma3x | nothing useful in there |
| 22:04.15 | tayssir | Hi! Does anyone know where I can find libgif-dev? (I'm using the most recent stable Debian Etch, and it doesn't appear in apt searches.) |
| 22:04.22 | lee__ | stew is this the file ? http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 22:04.47 | lee__ | ok if so how do I install it lol |
| 22:05.57 | Obligatory | Anybody ever tweaked '/etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-v4l.rules'? Online there's virtually nothing. (Real world use: two PCI tv cards, to give 'em constant device names) |
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| 22:06.38 | pickcoder | tayssir: apt-cache show libungif4-dev |
| 22:07.02 | metalx1000 | Hello, I just installed Debian on my eee pc 900, I'm running icewm. how can I change what happens when I close the lid. |
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| 22:07.11 | metalx1000 | right now it goes into sleep mode |
| 22:07.26 | metalx1000 | gnome-power-manager doesn;t seem to work in icewm |
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| 22:08.10 | metalx1000 | so I'm sure there must be a file some where, maybe under /etc some where I can change |
| 22:08.27 | pickcoder | tayssir: if you need the giflib package then look in non-free |
| 22:08.32 | stew | lee__: yes, that is it |
| 22:08.34 | pickcoder | (I would assume) |
| 22:08.36 | metalx1000 | I just want the screen to turn off |
| 22:08.52 | tayssir | pickcoder: Ah, thanks! |
| 22:09.00 | pickcoder | I don't see it in non-free either |
| 22:09.09 | pickcoder | so I guess that means you can't write compressed gifs |
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| 22:09.17 | pickcoder | unless you install libgif manually |
| 22:09.31 | pickcoder | hm |
| 22:09.43 | pickcoder | I wonder why it would have a replaces policy for libgif if it's not there |
| 22:10.06 | pickcoder | info giflib4-dev etcj |
| 22:10.07 | pickcoder | info giflib4-dev etch |
| 22:10.15 | lee__ | OK |
| 22:10.43 | lee__ | So should I load windows or how do I go about installing it in Linux? |
| 22:11.06 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: are you forgetting your "/msg dpkg" or "!"? |
| 22:11.16 | lee__ | I sew aht was confusing me..you sent that name soem one els sent me a li nk to something totaly different |
| 22:11.24 | pickcoder | I forget ! and went to /msg |
| 22:11.31 | jelly-hme | judd: versions giflib4-dev |
| 22:11.32 | judd | jelly-hme: giflib4-dev: |
| 22:11.44 | jelly-hme | nothing sim'lar |
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| 22:11.55 | pickcoder | then why is there a "replaces" policy |
| 22:11.59 | pickcoder | makes no sense |
| 22:12.01 | pickcoder | unless it was in Sarge |
| 22:12.09 | jelly-hme | judd: versions libgif-dev |
| 22:12.10 | judd | jelly-hme: libgif-dev: 4.1.6-6 (lenny) 4.1.6-6 (sid) |
| 22:12.21 | lee__ | ok it had a .deb file that is one that I downloaded |
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| 22:12.36 | jelly-hme | judd: versions libungif4-dev |
| 22:12.37 | judd | jelly-hme: libungif4-dev: 4.1.4-4 (etch) 4.1.6-6 (lenny) 4.1.6-6 (sid) |
| 22:12.38 | lee__ | see how i am forked atm lol |
| 22:12.54 | pickcoder | jelly-hme: check out the info for libungif4-dev |
| 22:13.08 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: which release? |
| 22:13.09 | pickcoder | it wasn't in sarge either |
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| 22:13.11 | Obligatory | Two cents: the udev syntax might be powerful, but it's too damn kernel-ey. We need some nice front-end utils that use more familiar syntaxes, with commands named stuff like 'ln_pci_dev <src> <dest>', and the rest, 'cp', 'mv', 'ls', and a 'swap'. |
| 22:13.12 | pickcoder | etch |
| 22:13.32 | Obligatory | Ah well, not a 'debian' thing exactly, don't mind me. |
| 22:13.32 | jelly-hme | Obligatory: your two cents dropped into the loo |
| 22:13.47 | neuro_damage | i hvaen't used dd in a while, when I dd an lvm snapshot, can I write that to a larger lvm file? |
| 22:13.50 | stew | Obligatory: please write one |
| 22:13.55 | Obligatory | jelly-hme, I hate pay toilets. |
| 22:13.58 | jelly-hme | oopsie |
| 22:14.00 | neuro_damage | cause it'll only write the data and whatever is free will be left alone right? |
| 22:14.16 | jelly-hme | neuro_damage: right. |
| 22:14.22 | PathagenX | Oh great. I have a big blocky artifact on my screen and it doesn't show up in SS |
| 22:14.45 | Obligatory | stew, the 2nd guy to as has to write it. |
| 22:14.51 | neuro_damage | jelly-hme: ok thanks, I'm just nervous about all this stuff :) |
| 22:14.55 | Obligatory | s/as/ask/ |
| 22:14.56 | jelly-hme | neuro_damage: if you're writing to an actual _file_ and not a block device, it will get truncated (by default) |
| 22:15.16 | jelly-hme | but I think you meant a logical volume |
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| 22:15.54 | Symbi0nt | I got grub installed and it boots in the grub shell |
| 22:15.58 | PathagenX | and now it vanishes when I try to figure out what it is. I hate that block.. |
| 22:16.26 | Symbi0nt | how can i access the menu file for grub |
| 22:16.27 | lee__ | stew do I depkage that right to the USB ? or?? |
| 22:16.38 | stew | lee__: what? |
| 22:17.08 | Symbi0nt | wait .. got it |
| 22:17.48 | lee__ | do I unzip it direclty to the usb or how do I use it lol |
| 22:18.03 | stew | lee__: unetbootin? |
| 22:18.07 | stew | lee__: or what are you asking about? |
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| 22:18.35 | lee__ | unetbootin yes how do I use it |
| 22:18.59 | stew | lee__: i have no idea. you know more about it than i do |
| 22:19.08 | lee__ | oh lol |
| 22:20.05 | Obligatory | lee__, use what? (I came in late) |
| 22:20.15 | lee__ | well Ill figure this out lol |
| 22:20.19 | stew | Obligatory: unetbootin |
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| 22:20.41 | lee__ | ah unetbootin how do I run it or set it u p or use it |
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| 22:20.51 | stew | Obligatory: he wants to install debian from usb without following our advice to use the install guide |
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| 22:21.15 | lee__ | because the Install guide confuses the heck out of me |
| 22:21.33 | stew | lee__: is there something in particular in the install guide we can help you understand? |
| 22:22.19 | Obligatory | Ah, another masochist. Isn't there a Debian bootcd now? Can that clone itself to HD yet? |
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| 22:22.33 | Obligatory | ahem s/bootcd/livecd/ |
| 22:22.36 | stew | Obligatory: yes |
| 22:22.52 | stew | Obligatory: well no, not clone itself, but it can run an installer |
| 22:23.10 | lee__ | In truth its to complicated for me |
| 22:23.15 | lee__ | to u nderstand |
| 22:23.29 | stew | lee__: perhaps try ubuntu |
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| 22:23.32 | abrotman | i think your keyboard is broken ... |
| 22:23.38 | Obligatory | stevw, is the livecd installer a regular installer or an easy installer? |
| 22:23.40 | lee__ | Thats waht I am on atm lol |
| 22:23.44 | TCW_ | re |
| 22:23.51 | TCW_ | are there still mirrors for oldstable (sarge) around? |
| 22:23.54 | stew | Obligatory: afaik it just runs the debian installer, but i've not tried it |
| 22:23.56 | lee__ | at any rate I have a live cd but it has no installer |
| 22:24.18 | Obligatory | Hey lee, why Debian? (compared to other distros) |
| 22:24.22 | abrotman | TCW_: archive.debian.org |
| 22:24.56 | lee__ | because 1 larger archive and 2 It was a lot more stable then the others |
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| 22:25.05 | pickcoder | s/was/is |
| 22:25.21 | TCW_ | abrotman, oh... thanks! :) |
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| 22:25.45 | lee__ | plus it is generic |
| 22:25.51 | abrotman | generic? |
| 22:26.04 | pickcoder | I had to compile a hwmon driver to get my Intel server board to work under RH5 |
| 22:26.05 | lee__ | eh |
| 22:26.05 | pickcoder | meh |
| 22:26.29 | lee__ | it jsut looooks and feels nicer hehe, the live cd ran smoothly |
| 22:26.39 | lee__ | it was easier on the eyes |
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| 22:27.05 | lee__ | and it has all the video editing stuff I need |
| 22:27.39 | jelly-hme | RH5? Eww. |
| 22:27.57 | pickcoder | gotta do what you gotta do to get commercial support for programs |
| 22:27.57 | jelly-hme | maybe you meant RHEL5? |
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| 22:28.02 | lee__ | eh the live Artistx DVD is what got me seeing how debian was set up |
| 22:28.02 | pickcoder | yes |
| 22:28.08 | jelly-hme | oh, all right then |
| 22:28.17 | pickcoder | it's on 2.6.18 of all kernels |
| 22:28.21 | pickcoder | talk about old |
| 22:28.30 | jelly-hme | they patch their kernels heavily |
| 22:28.34 | pickcoder | oh I know |
| 22:28.45 | pickcoder | yet newer hardware doesn't work |
| 22:28.47 | jelly-hme | drivers are always being added |
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| 22:29.02 | lee__ | http://www.artistx.org/site2/ |
| 22:29.03 | Obligatory | lee__, those sound like good reasons. |
| 22:29.38 | lee__ | I went to use Ubuntus and they had one ov the video editers and the system wiged out |
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| 22:29.43 | pickcoder | jelly-hme: I've got a ticket open right now to hopefully get ESB2 sensor support in for the 5400 Intel server boards |
| 22:29.48 | pickcoder | but anyhoo |
| 22:30.11 | lee__ | any how the person taht made this Live dvd failed to build in to an installer |
| 22:31.11 | Obligatory | lee__, I haven't installed Debian in about five years, so I dunno what to say. Just get something on the hard drive that boots, and then fix things from there maybe? |
| 22:31.41 | lee__ | heheheee herg |
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| 22:32.02 | lee__ | eh waht are you running then lol |
| 22:32.18 | Obligatory | lee__, BTW what kind of video card? (I'm running the same Debian I installed in 1999.) |
| 22:32.38 | pickcoder | Potatoe? |
| 22:32.39 | jelly-hme | Obligatory: you win! I reinstalled in 2001. |
| 22:32.44 | lee__ | the one that comes with my dell jsut a sec |
| 22:32.50 | lee__ | eh the ati died |
| 22:33.12 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: more like hamm or slink for '99? |
| 22:33.20 | pickcoder | true |
| 22:33.33 | jelly-hme | I think my 2001 reinstall was slink |
| 22:33.38 | Obligatory | Well it's 'sid', but upgraded constantly... you upgrade, things break, you fix; repeat infinitely. (Actually it's been getting better over the years.) |
| 22:35.27 | TCW_ | against which package should I fill a bug if I found a typo on the website? |
| 22:35.27 | stew | TCW_: www.debian.org |
| 22:35.27 | lee__ | eh its the origional dell VGA |
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| 22:35.28 | lee__ | hm ok is there a way to take a DVD that is live and set it up onto a hard drive with out an installer |
| 22:35.52 | Obligatory | lee__, what I meant was, is it some old 'nvidia' or something? In which case you'd want 'stable' which has legacy drivers for it. Video tends to be a proprietary pain... |
| 22:35.56 | lee__ | or do all live dvds have an installer |
| 22:36.06 | lee__ | oh no, intel |
| 22:36.34 | lee__ | on of the most comon of all drivers lol |
| 22:37.05 | Obligatory | lee__, well you're good to go then. |
| 22:37.37 | stew | lee__: didn't you say that your livecd doesn't have an installer? |
| 22:37.52 | lee__ | yeah I had to take out the ati card it was causing issues with everything including windows as if it didn't have enough issues lol |
| 22:38.14 | lee__ | taht is correct the live CD has no installer or no way to get to it |
| 22:38.39 | stew | lee__: the current debian live cd has an installer. if your doesn't then no not all do |
| 22:38.52 | lee__ | and hes covered the log out and relog in under root |
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| 22:39.18 | lee__ | so I can't installit? |
| 22:39.40 | lee__ | wier dI wonder why he left the installer out |
| 22:39.43 | stew | lee__: when did you download that copy of debian live? how did you determine that it didn't have an installer? |
| 22:39.55 | lee__ | yester day |
| 22:40.04 | stew | lee__: then it likely has an installer |
| 22:40.07 | lee__ | From http://www.artistx.org/site2/ |
| 22:40.12 | stew | lee__: how did you determine that it didn't have an installer? |
| 22:40.21 | lee__ | ther is none that shows up |
| 22:40.46 | stew | lee__: oh, you aren't talking about debian? |
| 22:40.50 | lee__ | unless there is a "back door" |
| 22:41.05 | stew | lee__: are you talking about debian's livecd or some other live cd? |
| 22:41.15 | lee__ | eh jsut a sec, Ill log off and log on using the disk..can you looook into it |
| 22:41.19 | stew | oh, no you aren't talking about debian |
| 22:41.21 | stew | ugh |
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| 22:41.39 | lee__ | ah some other live cd using Debain |
| 22:41.50 | dotCOMmie | has anyone made a debian based multiboot rescue/install usb disk? |
| 22:41.57 | lee__ | hmm jsut a sec is ther an area to paste code |
| 22:42.29 | TCW_ | lee__, paste.debian.net? |
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| 22:42.34 | lee__ | ah yes |
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| 22:43.04 | lee__ | oops I need to sign in fer that don't I lol |
| 22:44.06 | Obligatory | Ah, "ArtistX" a Debian _based_ bootcd... |
| 22:44.36 | Obligatory | So it's the "ArtistX" install docs that are the trouble? |
| 22:44.45 | lee__ | taht be it |
| 22:44.57 | lee__ | YES! |
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| 22:45.25 | stew | lee__: your questions are off-topic here, please find an artistx channel |
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| 22:45.40 | lee__ | and trust me I tired to follow waht he was saying and to no avail |
| 22:45.48 | lee__ | ah ok |
| 22:45.59 | Obligatory | Anybody see the Xtecles? |
| 22:46.13 | TCW_ | bye folks |
| 22:46.26 | stew | lee__: perhaps you are having trouble following what people are telling you becuase they are making the valid assumption that you were talkinga about debian and not some other operating system |
| 22:46.47 | Obligatory | Hey, it's Debian based, an honest mix up. |
| 22:47.20 | stew | no |
| 22:47.35 | Obligatory | All these bootcd are like poor bastard children, disowned. |
| 22:48.12 | jelly-hme | some have decent support (for a 1-3 man team) |
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| 22:48.50 | Obligatory | Interesting, the "ArtistX" install info says to DL an actual Debian ISO. |
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| 22:49.19 | jelly-hme | !artistx |
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| 22:50.18 | Obligatory | In fact it gives a fairly long tutorialon installing it, with pictures. v40r1 |
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| 22:50.50 | Obligatory | If curious see: http://www.artistx.org/site2/documentation/how-to/from-debian-to-artistx.html |
| 22:51.06 | Obligatory | lee__, how far along in that tutorial have you gotten? |
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| 22:51.49 | stew | Obligatory: he's gone. and this isn't the right place for help with artistx |
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| 22:52.13 | dj_oko | hello everyone - i've got a little problem with my mplayer |
| 22:52.20 | dj_oko | mplayer cdda:/// |
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| 22:53.00 | psai` | hi #debian |
| 22:53.08 | dj_oko | starts playing for 15 seconds, and after that it stops for a while, just to start the CD drive |
| 22:53.27 | Obligatory | steve, I agree about ArtistX, but the Debian ISO install topical, no? |
| 22:53.39 | dj_oko | then it starts again - and again for ~15 seconds |
| 22:53.41 | jelly-hme | dj_oko: lower the cache size? :-) |
| 22:53.53 | psai` | i'm on a readnoly system and want to deboostrap a lenny but the lenny script is not in /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/ |
| 22:54.04 | psai` | is there a way to specify the location script ? |
| 22:54.07 | Obligatory | s/install topical/install is topical/ |
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| 22:54.33 | Obligatory | Ah well, gotta vanish... l8r folks. |
| 22:54.39 | dj_oko | jelly-hme: ok, is this an mplayer parameter or CD/DMA parameter? I just have to know where to look for it :) |
| 22:54.50 | jelly-hme | dj_oko: -cache is mplayer |
| 22:55.05 | dj_oko | jelly-hme: thank you :) |
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| 22:56.27 | jelly-hme | dj_oko: I'm just guessing though; due to mplayer's architecture the pause may be unavoidable. You could try lowering the cd spinning speed before playing. hdparm or setcd |
| 22:57.02 | neuro_damage | when I specify bs for dd |
| 22:57.07 | neuro_damage | what's a good bs? |
| 22:57.28 | jelly-hme | a multiple of the cpu page size. ;-) |
| 22:57.30 | neuro_damage | and do I need to specify a bs for lvm files? |
| 22:58.34 | jelly-hme | neuro_damage: make it at least bs=4096; the default would reduce performance unnecessarily |
| 22:58.35 | dj_oko | so far "mplayer -nocache" didn't help - i'll check with some -cache value |
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| 22:59.40 | neuro_damage | jelly-hme: ok, is there anyway to view the read/writes? |
| 23:00.24 | dj_oko | hm |
| 23:00.44 | dj_oko | make cache by cache 4096 solved this issue |
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| 23:01.01 | jelly-hme | dj_oko: nope, a large cache will just delay it |
| 23:01.16 | dj_oko | thought so :) |
| 23:01.30 | jelly-hme | unless you cache a complete song |
| 23:01.31 | dj_oko | or rather - that's true |
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| 23:01.47 | dj_oko | but the song seems to be "shorter" than a cache |
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| 23:02.26 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone help me with CD burning? |
| 23:02.29 | jelly-hme | neuro_damage: man dd; you can kill -USR1 it to produce some statistic while it's running |
| 23:02.48 | pyrohotdog | Blanks show up on the desktop, but whenever I go to burn one with Rhythmbox it says to insert a blank. |
| 23:03.15 | dj_oko | first start RH, later insert a blank one |
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| 23:03.24 | dj_oko | *RB |
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| 23:07.58 | godling | Hello. |
| 23:08.15 | dustybin | who the gods hell are you |
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| 23:09.36 | godling | dustybin: Were you addressing me? |
| 23:10.19 | bhundven | if so, that was rude... |
| 23:10.25 | neuro_damage | jelly-hme: doing the old "watch du -sch file.gz" :) |
| 23:10.40 | godling | bhundven: I agree. |
| 23:10.59 | godling | bhundven: I usually expect that on IRC, though, so I am unfazed. :) |
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| 23:13.25 | dj_oko | is forced to reboot by Windows Update :P |
| 23:13.26 | godling | neuro_damage: Why du -c if it's just one file you are watching? |
| 23:13.27 | dj_oko | brb |
| 23:13.29 | neuro_damage | wishes there was a better way to backup lvms with partitions, than using dd :( |
| 23:13.43 | neuro_damage | godling: yeah, it's a big file, backup of a system and all :) |
| 23:15.46 | godling | neuro_damage: I was just wondering if there was a reason you were printing the total size and the file size if you were just looking at the one file. Are the two figures ever different? |
| 23:16.31 | Linuturk | for a xeon quad core processor, I need the IA-64 arch debian disk, right? |
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| 23:16.44 | cafuego | Linuturk: No |
| 23:16.49 | godling | x86-64 |
| 23:17.04 | cafuego | Linuturk: Nobody ever needs the ia64 arch. Yours' si x86-64 or 'amd64'. |
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| 23:17.16 | godling | Linuturk: IA-64 is for the Itanium processor, really. |
| 23:17.20 | godling | Linuturk: You don't want that. |
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| 23:17.34 | cafuego | You can't afford an Itanium ;-) |
| 23:17.48 | Linuturk | k, I don't see the x86-64 on the download site |
| 23:17.56 | cafuego | Linuturk: amd64 |
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| 23:18.53 | Linuturk | thx |
| 23:18.53 | godling | cafuego: Lock picks are cheap. ;P |
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| 23:19.05 | tCzern | how can I reset the Gnome Desktop to its defaults? |
| 23:19.10 | cafuego | godling: Intel only make 2 a year, so they're not easy to come by |
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| 23:19.29 | godling | Hey, how easy|difficult is it to transfer a Debian Live installation to a harddrive? |
| 23:19.42 | bhundven | tCzern: cd $HOME; rm -rf .gconf* .gnome* .config* |
| 23:19.57 | tCzern | wow |
| 23:19.58 | cafuego | godling: That's usually referred to as "installing" ;-) |
| 23:20.10 | tCzern | dunno what happened, someone must have messed with it |
| 23:20.20 | bhundven | ? |
| 23:20.35 | tCzern | can I move the Gnome icon, it is in a weird place |
| 23:20.37 | cafuego | if you remove .gconf* .gnome* to *also* lose settings for individual gnome apps. |
| 23:20.57 | bhundven | meh |
| 23:21.55 | bhundven | tCzern: are u using debian now? or still using 64studio? |
| 23:21.58 | godling | cafuego: Well, yes. I'm just wondering if it's an ordeal. |
| 23:22.12 | godling | cafuego: Compared to installing Debian by using the installation media, I mean. |
| 23:22.28 | cafuego | godling: Oh, no idea. |
| 23:22.41 | cafuego | godling: offhand I'd say yes |
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| 23:23.06 | tCzern | its still 64 sorry |
| 23:23.16 | tCzern | to disapoint you |
| 23:23.42 | tCzern | doesn't work anyway, so may re-install all this |
| 23:23.58 | bhundven | tCzern: cool. move to debian, so we can actually help you. |
| 23:24.05 | tCzern | :-) |
| 23:24.10 | godling | What I would really like to do is make a custom Debian Live image and then be able to reinstall that on a user's machine (if user messes up the machine, for example) |
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| 23:24.56 | dj_oko | everything seems to work fine |
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| 23:25.54 | tCzern | how in the world could my menu icon end between the clock and the volume icon on the right side? |
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| 23:29.35 | godling | ...rather than futzing around on the machine trying to figure out what user broke. |
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| 23:29.52 | godling | I wouldn't be able to just image a drive and install it on the machine because they are all donated laptops with varying technical specifications. |
| 23:29.52 | tCzern | it worked, thanks again |
| 23:29.59 | godling | damn, I just got disconnected. |
| 23:30.17 | godling | I hope nobody said anything important to me. |
| 23:31.07 | phorce1 | godling: you don't EVEN want to know the names they were calling you . ;-) |
| 23:31.20 | bhundven | horrible |
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| 23:32.53 | phorce1 | godling: somewhere in the debian wiki are instructions for building custom install media. Automated even. I haven't done it so I don't know where. |
| 23:33.09 | godling | phorce1: It can't be any worse than the names my professors call me. ;) |
| 23:33.15 | IceD^ | I need to download 3.1 x86 netinst (is it still possible to use netinst for 3.1?) or full iso -- where? |
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| 23:33.39 | dondelelcaro | IceD^: why? |
| 23:33.51 | IceD^ | dondelelcaro: support task |
| 23:33.53 | dondelelcaro | there's pretty much no reason to use 3.1 |
| 23:34.03 | IceD^ | no way to upgrade |
| 23:34.09 | dondelelcaro | IceD^: eh? why not? |
| 23:34.17 | IceD^ | just need to install 3.1 locally to test few things |
| 23:34.22 | IceD^ | dondelelcaro: because :) |
| 23:34.25 | dondelelcaro | 3.1 doesn't have security support, amongst other things |
| 23:34.29 | IceD^ | really - it's impossible to upgrade |
| 23:34.41 | phorce1 | godling: With multiple laptops of varying specs, if each has at least a CD drive and USB *I* would install to the "everything we'll need is on here" point and separately image each drive to external media for fast reinstall. |
| 23:34.50 | Guerin | IceD^: you have our condolences |
| 23:35.10 | dondelelcaro | IceD^: it's on archive.debian.org, but you really should be fixing whatever it is that makes it "impossible to upgrade" |
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| 23:36.33 | IceD^ | ok - it's pool there. can I use netinst from latest debian to install from it? |
| 23:36.45 | dondelelcaro | no. |
| 23:36.49 | phorce1 | godling: We do that for our customers that end up requiring a complete reinstall of any OS during a service. We just image to one of our network storage drives and keep the image for 12 months. If they break it again it takes 20 minutes to reinstall insted of hours. |
| 23:37.00 | IceD^ | so how to install it? |
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| 23:37.06 | IceD^ | any doc/howto/suggestions? |
| 23:37.17 | dondelelcaro | IceD^: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 23:37.17 | Miguelito | hi, I need to know how to install g++ compiler on my debian Linux please? |
| 23:37.17 | IceD^ | I'm not debian expert at all |
| 23:37.35 | dondelelcaro | IceD^: and since you're not an expert, you should perhaps tell us why it's impossible to install. |
| 23:37.39 | dondelelcaro | s/install/upgrade/ |
| 23:37.56 | jelly-hme | there's no expert to perform the upgrade! |
| 23:37.57 | dondelelcaro | (since there is a real reason why we're telling you to do so) |
| 23:38.20 | IceD^ | http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-3.1/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso - hope, this will go |
| 23:38.39 | iridos | Miguelito, "apt-get install g++"? - but you probably want apt-get install build-essential for a complete build environment |
| 23:38.39 | maligor | Miguelito, aptitude install g++? |
| 23:38.54 | maligor | you also probably want libstdc++ |
| 23:39.14 | IceD^ | dondelelcaro: I'm not the person who is managing this box, I even don't have access to this box. I just need to test my software and fix it so it'll work on debian 3.1 |
| 23:39.31 | godling | phorce1: That's a good idea, thanks. |
| 23:40.21 | Miguelito | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 23:40.21 | Miguelito | E: Read error - read (21 Is a directory) |
| 23:40.21 | Miguelito | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 23:41.04 | iridos | Miguelito, apt-get update 1st |
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| 23:41.15 | iridos | Miguelito, and of course you need to be root |
| 23:41.23 | Miguelito | E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
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| 23:43.45 | StatusQuote | weird. evince is starting with its icon in the gnome splash screen every time I log in, but it's not listed in Preferences > Sessions | Startup Programs. Can anybody guess why? |
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| 23:44.41 | iridos | Miguelito, that is unusual... "apt-get update" should actually also fix this... if not, do "mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial" - but I don't see how this directory can become erased in the 1st place |
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| 23:45.04 | pyrohotdog | Can anyone help me with CD burning issues? |
| 23:46.17 | Miguelito | iridos , yes thank u , but it always says that my lists could not be read |
| 23:46.18 | Miguelito | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 23:46.18 | Miguelito | E: Read error - read (21 Is a directory) |
| 23:46.18 | Miguelito | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 23:46.22 | Miguelito | ops |
| 23:46.24 | Miguelito | sorry |
| 23:46.31 | iridos | you are not root then |
| 23:46.34 | Miguelito | read 21 is a dicrecory |
| 23:46.39 | Miguelito | i dont understand this., |
| 23:46.41 | pyrohotdog | Blanks are recognized on the desktop, but burning programs still tell me to insert a blank. |
| 23:46.53 | Miguelito | whoami |
| 23:46.53 | Miguelito | root |
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| 23:47.33 | Miguelito | iridos , well some time before i HAVE delited some files from my /var/lib directory, i think i deleted somethink from apt-get |
| 23:47.35 | Miguelito | that's why |
| 23:47.40 | Miguelito | now i need to reinstall it |
| 23:47.47 | Miguelito | but i dont find the archive of apt-get... |
| 23:48.06 | iridos | why did you delete it in the first place... |
| 23:48.12 | iridos | no wonder you run into problems now |
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| 23:49.05 | iridos | seems one database file is now a directory instead of a normal file |
| 23:49.41 | iridos | what does ls -lad /var/lib/dpkg/status show? |
| 23:51.15 | iridos | Miguelito, actually, make that: ls -lad /var/lib/dpkg/status* |
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| 23:52.42 | StatusQuote | wonders where gnome stores its lists of programs to start up automatically.. if I knew, I'd check them out myself |
| 23:52.43 | Miguelito | [root@SH-crew:/var/gnuworld]# ls -lad /var/lib/dpkg/status* |
| 23:52.44 | Miguelito | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 15 00:01 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 23:53.12 | iridos | ok... rmdir /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 23:53.16 | iridos | and you really messed up |
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| 23:53.24 | iridos | !status recovery |
| 23:53.24 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
| 23:54.23 | iridos | at least if you don't have any of those backup status files |
| 23:55.01 | Miguelito | [root@SH-crew:/var/gnuworld]# /var/backups/dpkg.status |
| 23:55.02 | Miguelito | bash: /var/backups/dpkg.status: No such file or directory |
| 23:55.09 | Miguelito | uhmmm |
| 23:55.12 | Miguelito | this is so hard... |
| 23:55.28 | iridos | amazing... how the real question "how can I install g++" turns into "how can I fixed my totally messed up packaging system" |
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| 23:55.48 | iridos | Miguelito, it's not called that - look for /var/backups/dpkg.status* |
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| 23:56.20 | iridos | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.21 | Miguelito | iridos , but Isn't there any possibility to instal g++ without apt-get |
| 23:56.22 | Miguelito | ? |
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| 23:57.00 | iridos | this is not primarily about installing g++, this is about fixing a messed up packaging system |
| 23:57.08 | iridos | installing g++ is a breeze |
| 23:57.53 | bhundven | Miguelito: I trust iridos's advice. he is definitely helping you down the right path ;) |
| 23:58.15 | Miguelito | I have this error when I'm trying to compile gnuworld |
| 23:58.17 | Miguelito | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.17 | Miguelito | g++: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 23:58.57 | iridos | !search |
| 23:58.58 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 23:59.14 | iridos | you could use this to find which package contains cc1plus |
| 23:59.17 | StatusQuote | gonna try something.. be back if it doesn't work |
| 23:59.22 | iridos | but not with a broken packaging system |
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| 23:59.57 | Guerin | !a52 |
