| 00:00.15 | esthar | I need help getting 2.6.26 working with dm-crypt. |
| 00:00.27 | esthar | My / and /home partitions are AES encrypted but I can't get 2.6.26 working with them |
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| 00:02.06 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who uses webalizer |
| 00:02.07 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 00:02.16 | HardDisk_WP | esthar, did they work previously? |
| 00:02.26 | esthar | No, I'm stuck in 2.6.18 |
| 00:03.44 | rhalff | is there any way to get the motherboard make ? |
| 00:04.43 | gewt | HardDisk_WP, i used it |
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| 00:05.06 | heroxbd | Why is emacs-snapshot removed from the distribution? |
| 00:05.20 | HardDisk_WP | gewt, my apache main log is 190MB with 550k records |
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| 00:05.29 | HardDisk_WP | can I split it up, but not lose any webalizer data? |
| 00:05.38 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, the data reaches back to may 2007 |
| 00:05.45 | gewt | hm |
| 00:05.48 | gewt | not sure |
| 00:06.23 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, i know of incremental |
| 00:06.32 | HardDisk_WP | but i want to delete everything older than a month |
| 00:07.27 | gewt | HardDisk_WP, you could copy all the data you wnat to keep otu fo the file |
| 00:07.34 | gewt | and delete the file |
| 00:07.41 | gewt | then copy the saved data into eth fiel again |
| 00:07.49 | HardDisk_WP | hmm... |
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| 00:08.00 | HardDisk_WP | actually, this would require a program which splits after X lines |
| 00:08.25 | HardDisk_WP | how do I split a file into before-500k lines file and one containing the recent 50k? |
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| 00:12.05 | trumpen | HardDisk_WP, split -l 500000 file |
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| 00:17.33 | oOarthurOo | I "built" this lenny install from the ground up, so to speak, but I'm worried I may have missed something. My icon theme has special directory icons for folders like Pictures, Documents, and Music in the users home. But they're not associating with those folders. I'm not sure if (a) this is even supported feature, (b) if supported, if icon naming is bad (c) if supported nd good, if I need a separate gnome app installed to manag |
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| 00:21.35 | oOarthurOo | The folders, or rather the icon names, don't appear in the http://library.gnome.org/devel/icon-naming-spec/ |
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| 00:24.38 | Stratman4300 | Hey are there any good programs in the debian repository for ripping DVDs??? |
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| 00:25.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Stratman4300 about dmm |
| 00:25.25 | Stratman4300 | htemill: thank you :) |
| 00:25.30 | themill | Stratman4300: dvdrip is on dmm. I think k3b in lenny can do it too, but might need extra libraries (probably from dmm) |
| 00:25.45 | Stratman4300 | themill: kk thanks |
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| 00:29.12 | Saz|Laptop | whats the term for multiple IP addresses on one NIC |
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| 00:32.51 | warchief_ryan | there isn't one, that I know of |
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| 00:33.22 | \amethyst | Saz|Laptop_: multihoming, or IP aliasing |
| 00:34.00 | Saz|Laptop_ | \amethyst, which users device names like eth0.1, eth0.2, etc |
| 00:34.50 | \amethyst | Saz|Laptop_: IP aliasing lets you use eth0 eth0:0 eth0:1 etc |
| 00:35.01 | \amethyst | I haven't seen it with a dot in Linux |
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| 00:36.14 | Saz|Laptop_ | \amethyst, I use a dot |
| 00:36.20 | Saz|Laptop_ | erm |
| 00:36.21 | Saz|Laptop_ | no wait |
| 00:36.22 | Saz|Laptop_ | i use a colon |
| 00:36.30 | \amethyst | yeah :) |
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| 00:36.56 | Saz|Laptop_ | i was just trying to figure out the term so i can see if its supported in wine |
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| 00:38.08 | karan | hai |
| 00:38.17 | karan | my avi videos flicker, any ideas? |
| 00:38.20 | tk8 | what is the similar application that would allow me to do something like: iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 00:38.20 | karan | perhaps a codec issue? |
| 00:38.27 | tk8 | or the package i need to install to have this functionality |
| 00:38.28 | tk8 | ? |
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| 00:39.15 | theom3ga | hi there |
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| 00:39.42 | theom3ga | I'm new to debian. I've just installed debian etch and I'm trying to install the nvidia driver but it doesn't work |
| 00:40.08 | theom3ga | I've tried using the official driver downloaded from the nvidia's site and also using the module-assistant method in the debian wiki |
| 00:40.29 | theom3ga | but always, when I restart the x server, i get "no signal" on my screen |
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| 00:40.49 | theom3ga | if I use the default "nv" driver, it works, but I want the 3D accel |
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| 00:43.24 | JordiGH | ¿Qué es más macho as regards pdf forms? Evince or okular? Or are they about the same? |
| 00:44.07 | theom3ga | lo más macho es saludar al entrar |
| 00:45.05 | tk8 | how come my kernel is appended with amd64 if im using an intel 32bit chip? |
| 00:45.26 | segosa | mis pdfs son muy macho |
| 00:45.41 | JordiGH | I should have phrased the question differently... |
| 00:45.47 | segosa | no |
| 00:45.49 | themill | dpkg: tell JordiGH about fill pdf forms |
| 00:45.50 | segosa | you had it exactly right |
| 00:45.57 | segosa | pdfs _are_ macho |
| 00:46.31 | ivantis | Attention: I am now starting a service of logging my favorite IRC channels on FreeNode. This is one of the channels. You can read the logs at http://irclogs.space-lab.us/ . If you would not like this channel logged, please ask me nicely and I will remove it. |
| 00:46.40 | JordiGH | themill: Still better that way than okular or evince? |
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| 00:47.11 | themill | JordiGH: neither of them do forms under etch. They might in lenny.. nfc. |
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| 00:48.41 | JordiGH | themill: Yeah, they both do forms in lenny. evince seemed to work, except that I can't modify the forms more than once. If I modify them a second time (i.e. open clean form, modify, save, open it again) then evince doesn't work. okular seems to try to fix it, but it's bizarre. When I open the pdf with okular, the forms are modified. When I open them with evince, they're as in the first time. And I am told that Acrobat sees the fucked-up forms. :-( |
| 00:49.19 | themill | JordiGH: sounds like another reason to hate pdf forms. |
| 00:49.34 | JordiGH | themill: I think I'll like them as soon as they work. |
| 00:49.54 | themill | s/as soon as/if ever/ |
| 00:50.16 | JordiGH | They're already pretty close, both evince and okular. I have high hopes they'll get it soon. |
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| 00:50.52 | Si1ver1ock | how do i install sqlite for php in debian? |
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| 00:51.43 | themill | dpkg: tell Si1ver1ock about search |
| 00:52.31 | Si1ver1ock | themill i already installed it |
| 00:52.43 | Si1ver1ock | it isn't working |
| 00:52.50 | JordiGH | !doesn't work |
| 00:52.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:53.08 | themill | Si1ver1ock: so why ask how to install it... |
| 00:53.12 | Si1ver1ock | where do docx install to? |
| 00:53.21 | Si1ver1ock | docs |
| 00:53.23 | JordiGH | docx? OOXML? |
| 00:53.37 | themill | Si1ver1ock: /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 00:53.44 | JordiGH | /usr/share/doc/$package |
| 00:53.56 | Nyle | docx? |
| 00:54.33 | JordiGH | Nyle: typo, but it is the filename extension for MSFT's OOXML. |
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| 00:54.46 | Nyle | I see |
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| 00:56.14 | JordiGH | If I don't modify a usb pendrive filesystem when I plug it and it automounts... could anything nasty ever happen if I just rip it out without unmounting? |
| 00:56.29 | HardDisk_WP | yess |
| 00:56.34 | HardDisk_WP | physical damage |
| 00:56.39 | HardDisk_WP | always eject a usb device |
| 00:56.46 | HardDisk_WP | or you might experience ESD |
| 00:56.50 | tk8 | what is the name of the kernel headers package for apt-get? |
| 00:57.08 | HardDisk_WP | linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 00:57.15 | tk8 | thx |
| 00:57.20 | HardDisk_WP | np |
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| 00:57.28 | JordiGH | HardDisk_WP: esd? enlightened sound daemon? |
| 00:57.38 | JordiGH | I certainly don't want to experience that anymore. |
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| 00:59.17 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, electrostatical discharge |
| 00:59.25 | HardDisk_WP | or other voltage peaks |
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| 00:59.46 | HardDisk_WP | some chipsets are known to put 400V (!!!!!) on usb drives for a couple of nanoseconds |
| 00:59.57 | HardDisk_WP | no that is no joke, google for it |
| 01:00.13 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, and it's always safer to eject before unplug |
| 01:00.18 | JordiGH | HardDisk_WP: Really. |
| 01:00.20 | JordiGH | "eject"? |
| 01:00.34 | JordiGH | It's not a cdrom. It's a usb pendrive. |
| 01:00.51 | HardDisk_WP | Yes |
| 01:00.55 | JordiGH | looks up this danger of static discharge. |
| 01:00.58 | HardDisk_WP | run eject /dev/sda in command console |
| 01:01.14 | JordiGH | thought "eject" was only for cdroms. |
| 01:01.24 | HardDisk_WP | or right-click on KDE on the icon, and then "safely remove" |
| 01:01.26 | JordiGH | And it's not sda for me. sdb. |
| 01:01.28 | mimcpher | The windows equivalent is "Safely remove hardware" or OS X calls it eject, iirc. |
| 01:01.44 | JordiGH | HardDisk_WP: I run "pumount /media/my-pendrive". |
| 01:01.49 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, it can be used for every type of exchangeable media |
| 01:02.03 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, eject is this plus switching off the usb ports power |
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| 01:02.19 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, the latter is the important |
| 01:02.19 | JordiGH | HardDisk_WP: eject actually opens the cdrom tray. It would be nice if my computer could also spit out the pendrive. :-) |
| 01:02.27 | HardDisk_WP | JordiGH, eject /dev/sdX |
| 01:02.30 | HardDisk_WP | not simply eject |
| 01:02.36 | \amethyst | eject here doesn't shut off the power |
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| 01:02.43 | tk8 | what is debian's alternative to "service NetworkManager restart" |
| 01:02.46 | tk8 | ? |
| 01:02.56 | \amethyst | it does send some kind of disconnect signal to the device, but it still gets power |
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| 01:03.07 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, depends on chipset |
| 01:03.08 | OBcecado | /etc/init.d/networking restart ? |
| 01:03.12 | JordiGH | tk8: KILLDASHNINE THAT MOTHER. |
| 01:03.20 | tk8 | yeah just thought of that thx OBcecado |
| 01:03.27 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: and I guess the hub as well |
| 01:03.38 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, ...and if there is a hub present ;) |
| 01:03.49 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, do you know of a way to reset an USB port? |
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| 01:04.04 | HardDisk_WP | so a previously eject'd, but attached device gets re-inited? |
| 01:04.19 | themill | The man page for eject doesn't mention usb ports... |
| 01:05.05 | HardDisk_WP | There are four different methods of ejecting, depending on whether the |
| 01:05.05 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.09 | \amethyst | HardDisk_WP: maybe some udev rescan command |
| 01:05.17 | HardDisk_WP | themill, USB sticks are scsi devices to the kernel |
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| 01:05.26 | HardDisk_WP | \amethyst, ok... |
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| 01:08.00 | ozatomic | i'm using amd64 and i can't get a program to compile keeps saying error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:08.16 | abrotman | ozatomic: and does it exist on your system ? |
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| 01:09.47 | JordiGH | That shouldn't be a compile time error.. that's a runtime error. |
| 01:09.47 | Elite | is there a Michael Lancaster here? |
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| 01:11.52 | tk8 | hmm is there something I can install that would make installing an HP networked printer easier? |
| 01:11.57 | ozatomic | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:12.15 | ozatomic | /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | what are you trying to compile ? |
| 01:12.44 | ozatomic | its called 'mbtPdfAsm' |
| 01:12.49 | ozatomic | it compiels sorry it doesn't run |
| 01:12.49 | \amethyst | ozatomic: what version of g++ are you compiling with? what version of the libstdc++6 package do you have |
| 01:13.13 | \amethyst | are you linking against any libraries that aren't from debian packages? |
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| 01:13.21 | ozatomic | don't think it is |
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| 01:13.31 | ozatomic | it works fine on 32bit |
| 01:13.42 | ozatomic | jsut not on amd64 |
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| 01:13.56 | ozatomic | and how do i find version of g++ and libstdc |
| 01:14.14 | JordiGH | wonders if setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH will help. |
| 01:14.15 | \amethyst | the same binary works fine on 32bit? |
| 01:14.18 | JordiGH | g++ --version |
| 01:14.26 | ozatomic | nope |
| 01:14.31 | \amethyst | oh, okay |
| 01:14.32 | ozatomic | had to recompile |
| 01:14.43 | ozatomic | g++ (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 01:14.49 | JordiGH | etch |
| 01:14.52 | Elite | is there a Michael Lancaster here? |
| 01:14.52 | ozatomic | yeh |
| 01:14.54 | \amethyst | ozatomic: and you're compiling on an amd64 system? |
| 01:14.58 | ozatomic | yeah |
| 01:15.11 | ozatomic | it compiles fine |
| 01:15.17 | ozatomic | but the i goto run it and that happeneds |
| 01:15.48 | JordiGH | ozatomic: The whole system is 64bit, right? You're not running in a chroot? |
| 01:16.05 | ozatomic | whole system |
| 01:16.16 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 01:16.29 | JordiGH | Try... LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib thebinary |
| 01:16.41 | ozatomic | ? |
| 01:16.49 | ozatomic | on one line |
| 01:16.57 | \amethyst | yes |
| 01:17.00 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 01:17.15 | ozatomic | that worked |
| 01:17.23 | ozatomic | hang on wrong ssh |
| 01:17.23 | \amethyst | strange |
| 01:17.23 | ozatomic | :S |
| 01:17.33 | Rideh | i'm typically a thinkpad guy, any particular reasons why i would ever think about a mac book pro over a new thinkpad? (currently t61p) |
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| 01:17.37 | \amethyst | oh |
| 01:17.52 | bb-X | __Marco__: :D |
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| 01:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rideh, you're thinking about it, so you should know :) |
| 01:18.17 | __Marco__ | bb-X: :) |
| 01:18.32 | ozatomic | nah it didn;'t work |
| 01:18.44 | Rideh | CutMeOwnThroat: shrug its real hard for me to get over being partial to thinkpads for their keyboards alone |
| 01:18.45 | JordiGH | expects __Marco__ and bb-X to run across the room now into each other and start making out. |
| 01:18.55 | ozatomic | its annoying ebcasue the file is in the freaking directory |
| 01:19.06 | JordiGH | ozatomic: ldd thebinary |
| 01:19.41 | ozatomic | http://oza.pastebin.com/d119b9ca2 |
| 01:19.44 | bb-X | JordiGH: ¬¬ |
| 01:19.57 | JordiGH | bb-X: It's all very romantic. |
| 01:20.01 | ozatomic | its pointing to /usr/local/lib/ |
| 01:20.06 | ozatomic | but i put a symlink in there |
| 01:20.32 | JordiGH | What symlink? |
| 01:20.39 | \amethyst | ozatomic: what does file -L /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 say? |
| 01:20.41 | bb-X | no,it?s only a greeting... |
| 01:20.55 | ozatomic | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 23 2008-11-03 23:03 libstdc++.so.6 -> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 01:20.56 | \amethyst | ozatomic: are you sure the libstdc++.so in /usr/local/lib is 64-bit and not 32-bit? |
| 01:21.04 | ozatomic | it would want to be |
| 01:21.13 | ivantis | debhelper: ping |
| 01:21.14 | ozatomic | /usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 01:21.15 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Okay, again for the symlinked file. |
| 01:21.26 | ivantis | is debhelper a bot, or a person? |
| 01:21.30 | ozatomic | same |
| 01:21.40 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Right, sorry... |
| 01:21.53 | ozatomic | :( |
| 01:21.55 | \amethyst | ozatomic: if you remove that symlink, does it work? |
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| 01:21.58 | ozatomic | nope |
| 01:22.02 | ozatomic | same error |
| 01:22.07 | ivantis | debhelper: do you mind my new logs at http://debian.irclogs.space-lab.us/ ? |
| 01:22.09 | abrotman | if //usr/local/lib/libstdc++.so.6 were a symlink .. file would say that |
| 01:22.12 | \amethyst | ozatomic: if you remove that symlink, what does ldd thebinary say now? |
| 01:22.25 | \amethyst | abrotman: that's why I said file -L |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | ivantis: debhelper is a bot |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | \amethyst: missed that .. sorry |
| 01:22.33 | ivantis | oh |
| 01:22.37 | ivantis | who is an op here? |
| 01:22.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea what these chappies at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497847 are talking about?..... What I'm referring to is, that there *is* no 2.6.26-7 in debian sid |
| 01:22.46 | abrotman | ivantis: do not log this channel |
| 01:22.48 | ozatomic | libstdc++.so.6 => not found |
| 01:22.50 | magentar | is it possible to reduce the memory detected by the linux kernel (instead of 8gb i only want to get 2gb of ram)...? |
| 01:22.55 | ivantis | okay |
| 01:23.23 | \amethyst | ozatomic: hmm... what about ldd /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 ? |
| 01:23.24 | abrotman | ivantis: please remove those files from public web space |
| 01:23.30 | ivantis | i have |
| 01:23.46 | ozatomic | http://oza.pastebin.com/d7d22ff64 |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | ivantis: thank you |
| 01:25.18 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: there was a linux-2.6 2.6.26-7 source package |
| 01:25.37 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: the binary packages don't have -7 in the *name* because the ABI hasn't changed |
| 01:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there seems to even be a 2.6.26-9 source package (?) |
| 01:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | abi? |
| 01:26.10 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: binary interface, breaks modules |
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| 01:26.23 | slim_ | hello, i want to suspend the system to ram after search i find using hibernateram but i got this error " - hibernate-ram:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found. - s2ram: unknown machine, see s2ram(8) and the USuspendRamForce option " what i need to install or how to make suspend to ram working well ? |
| 01:26.38 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: the version number in the package name and in uname -r only changes when the API changes |
| 01:26.46 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: err, when the ABI changes |
| 01:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, so how do the binary packages differ.. (how does apt/dpkg see that one is newer than the other= |
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| 01:27.24 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: the Debian version in the package's version (after the hyphen) |
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| 01:28.07 | ozatomic | hmmmm |
| 01:28.12 | ozatomic | this is so frustrating |
| 01:28.20 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: the changelog.Debian will tell you about the differences in the source packages |
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| 01:28.23 | xulf | Hello |
| 01:29.02 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: (from which you can infer the differences in the binary packages) |
| 01:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, but they're identical for both source packages.... - I mean thanks so far - that means I'll update and the bug will be gone... but I still don't see how apt knows it's a new package that it has to update (or how I could know that the binary package comes from a new source package, as the pkg info just sais Source: linux-2.6) |
| 01:30.48 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: because the kernel image packages have a debian-version too |
| 01:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's not something dpkg -s or apt-cache show tell me? |
| 01:31.40 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: dpkg -l shows it |
| 01:32.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I see that |
| 01:32.06 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem 2.6.26-9 |
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| 01:32.19 | JordiGH | ozatomic: What happens if you try to do static linking when compiling? |
| 01:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, thanks |
| 01:32.52 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: it's in dpkg -s too |
| 01:32.58 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: Version: 2.6.26-9 |
| 01:33.03 | ozatomic | JordiGH: how do i do that sorry |
| 01:33.27 | xulf | lets say im user xulf... I want to also access mary's files. How do I do this ? |
| 01:33.40 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Is it using the GNU build process? |
| 01:33.54 | \amethyst | xulf: should only the two of you be able to access the file? |
| 01:33.56 | \amethyst | files |
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| 01:34.56 | \amethyst | xulf: you could create a group that contains those two users, then for the files that mary wants to share, have her chgrp and chmod g+rw them |
| 01:34.57 | ozatomic | JordiGH: how can i tell i jsut type make |
| 01:35.39 | JordiGH | ozatomic: ./configure && make && make install? |
| 01:35.40 | \amethyst | xulf: however, ssh for example doesn't like it when your ~/.ssh is writable by anybody other than yourself |
| 01:35.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, installing it shows it, too: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 2.6.26-8 [20.1MB] |
| 01:35.49 | JordiGH | ozatomic: That's GNU. |
| 01:36.29 | JordiGH | ozatomic: If so, the configure script should have an option to do static linking. "./configure --enable-static" should do it. |
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| 01:37.07 | ozatomic | arh no configure |
| 01:37.09 | ozatomic | just make |
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| 01:37.15 | f00li5h-mortal | meows |
| 01:37.24 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Eh? |
| 01:37.31 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Is it a manual makefile? |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | ozatomic: where is the binary you're trying to run? |
| 01:37.51 | f00li5h-mortal | is there a package that will let me set up an interfeace so that my dhcp client will run when a link is detected? |
| 01:37.53 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Can you give me the code to try to play with it myself? |
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| 01:38.23 | ozatomic | yep |
| 01:38.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | xulf, if you don't care that others can also read the file, mary can simply do chmod a*r file (and chmod a+x to all directories owned by her that you have to pass to reach file) |
| 01:38.47 | JordiGH | f00li5h-mortal: Doesn't it suffice to set "allow-hotplug eth0" (or whatever the interface name is)? |
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| 01:39.19 | ozatomic | JordiGH: http://thierry.schmit.free.fr/spip/IMG/gz/mbtPdfAsm-1.0.28.tar.gz |
| 01:39.21 | f00li5h-mortal | JordiGH: it doesn't seem to |
| 01:39.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | xulf, the thing about the directories is true for groups as well, of course |
| 01:39.33 | ozatomic | JordiGH: and then this patch http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/gentoo-portage/app-text/mbtpdfasm/files/mbtpdfasm-1.0.26-64bit.patch |
| 01:39.35 | abrotman | ozatomic: file /path/to/binary |
| 01:39.56 | ozatomic | /usr/bin/mbtPdfAsm: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped |
| 01:40.47 | \amethyst | wow |
| 01:40.49 | \amethyst | that patch... |
| 01:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | f00li5h-mortal, it should, though |
| 01:41.28 | ozatomic | yeah i know its bad its jsut chaning an int |
| 01:41.31 | ozatomic | changing |
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| 01:44.04 | ozatomic | i'm gonan get some lunch and be back thanks for looking into ti guys |
| 01:44.37 | tk8 | what did i do wrong?? i installed the firmware for my linksys WMP54G and it works, i restart and no longer can find device wlan0? |
| 01:45.07 | tk8 | i get a warning during boot saying "/etc/modprobe.conf does not contain include during /etc/modprobe.d" |
| 01:45.14 | tk8 | id assume this is related? |
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| 01:45.33 | tk8 | but my fedora install has no include in modprobe.conf and my other devices load |
| 01:45.48 | Nyle | uh |
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| 01:45.56 | Nyle | fedora is still making a linux? |
| 01:46.03 | Nyle | why hasn't it died yet |
| 01:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ozatomic, mbtpdfasm... that's something like pdfjoin? |
| 01:46.14 | Nyle | I thought rpm sucks, and people know that.. don't they? |
| 01:46.31 | f00li5h-mortal | CutMeOwnThroat: hrm, perhpas there's some other kind of shenanigins going on here |
| 01:46.35 | tk8 | Nyle, :-/ |
| 01:46.39 | tk8 | any ideas? |
| 01:46.39 | f00li5h-mortal | like a dhcp server that's not answering |
| 01:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I normally have an xconsole open - dhclients output appears on that |
| 01:47.28 | Maliuta | or a WAP that's dropping 1/3 the packets ... screwwing up the DHCP lease procedure |
| 01:47.36 | tk8 | how can i see what "make install" actually did to my system? |
| 01:47.36 | Maliuta | wait ... that's my network |
| 01:47.41 | f00li5h-mortal | CutMeOwnThroat: can't see xconsole... network is down. |
| 01:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 01:48.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I'll reboot and see if this gives me a working battery status again... kinda so nice if you get some type of warning before the laptop switches off |
| 01:49.01 | DawnLight | hello |
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| 01:49.35 | jair | hello guys... :) hope everybody have a nice halloween. |
| 01:50.33 | jair | I am having a little issue, trying to solve it, I did install: apt-get install courier-authdaemon courier-base courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-pop courier-pop-ssl courier-ssl gamin libgamin0 libglib2.0-0 |
| 01:51.08 | jair | I do have already a system functinal with: etch, postfix, smtp, and just wanted to start using an email client, to send emails etc... |
| 01:51.30 | jair | when i am configuring the email client I keep getting a message prompt for a password on pop |
| 01:51.46 | DawnLight | speaking of laptops, i've one here, it's a friend's, wish i had one, he sais that one day the graphics chip overheated apparently and now when the radeon driver is loaded it makes some nice colors and kind of freezes |
| 01:51.49 | jair | I can't recall putting a password when I installed courier-pop though |
| 01:52.18 | jair | does anyone use courier-pop here or has been running into this issue? |
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| 01:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, that worked like a charm |
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| 01:59.25 | DawnLight | here - my problem is described in http://pastebin.ca/1243672 please, if anyone iz da hardware haxor... |
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| 02:04.25 | abrotman | DawnLight: or ask #ati or try another driver |
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| 02:05.55 | DawnLight | thanks abrotman! hey, do you have a facebook, by any chance? |
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| 02:06.57 | abrotman | no |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | not that i know of anyways |
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| 02:07.44 | HardDisk_WP | how do I list all dpkg packages, ordered by installed size? |
| 02:08.27 | abrotman | !tell HardDisk_WP about sort by size |
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| 02:09.09 | AussieGuy | do any of the main notebook vendors let you buy notebooks with no windows installed? |
| 02:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, I thought it was just an option to dpkg - but it's a 200m perl one-liner |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | AussieGuy: many of them |
| 02:10.08 | AussieGuy | if I get one with windows, chances are good itll get deleted |
| 02:10.36 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, this script gives me packages which are not installed |
| 02:10.42 | AussieGuy | which ones? |
| 02:10.49 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: what is their status ? |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | AussieGuy: lenovo and dell come to mind |
| 02:11.16 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, dpkg -l|grep gallery2 shows nothing, but gallery2 is the topmost entry |
| 02:11.23 | HardDisk_WP | in the list |
| 02:11.29 | abrotman | how about grep gallery ? |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | or gal ? |
| 02:11.55 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m74f46eab |
| 02:12.05 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, even grep ga doesnt show anythin |
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| 02:12.29 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, same goes for mailman, emacsen-... |
| 02:12.34 | unspin | hello |
| 02:12.43 | HardDisk_WP | and the kde packet |
| 02:12.55 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, is my dpkg database mixed up?^^ |
| 02:13.10 | unspin | i'm trying to build an offline mirror of just debian sarge i386, can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:13.13 | ozatomic | JordiGH: did u have any luck getting ti to work? |
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| 02:13.18 | unspin | i've looked a the anonftpsync program |
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| 02:13.28 | abrotman | unspin: archive.debian.org ? |
| 02:13.31 | unspin | but it doesn't seem to support mirror data for just a single dist (sarge) |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | rsync ? |
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| 02:14.34 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: hrm .. |
| 02:15.37 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, actually, this machine went through some shit...glibc breakage (and resulting mess with dpkg) a year ago, various downgradings of packages |
| 02:15.47 | abrotman | nah .. it makes sense |
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| 02:16.25 | HardDisk_WP | in what way? |
| 02:18.04 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: or man grep-dctrl ? |
| 02:18.18 | jair | how do i configure pam to authenticate pop3? |
| 02:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.33 | DeathWolf | mmm, I have a fresh etch on which I installed apache2&libapache2-mod-php5 and phpmyadmin, the php5.conf and php5.load are in the mods-available, but even though I restarted the apache2 server phpmyadmin is still not working |
| 02:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, dpkg -l should show them |
| 02:18.39 | DeathWolf | havent done anything but the apt-get install commands |
| 02:18.50 | jair | Is there a way i can configure courier-pop to be authenticated by pam on debian? |
| 02:18.57 | DeathWolf | any idea? |
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| 02:19.22 | DeathWolf | the server signature doesnt talk of php so it looks as if it's not loading the module at all... |
| 02:19.59 | DeathWolf | hum, no, actually the signature shows it |
| 02:20.04 | DeathWolf | "Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch13" |
| 02:20.25 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, lol i'm not that confident with sort and friends |
| 02:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, well, works for me (kind of - 1st package is not installed, but just has config files)... |
| 02:21.47 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, so this means my dpkg db is mixed up? |
| 02:21.52 | JordiGH | ozatomic: I still haven't been able to download the music. |
| 02:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea what this means |
| 02:23.02 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, that the status file of dpkg got corrupt^^ |
| 02:23.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, actually, there is an example for exactly what you want in man grep-dctrl |
| 02:23.18 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, I saw that |
| 02:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... use that? |
| 02:23.35 | HardDisk_WP | but that the other command failed that is weird |
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| 02:25.19 | DeathWolf | hum, it's only the phpmyadmin folder that doesnt work. |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: man grep-dctrl .. search for "size" |
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| 02:29.38 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, yeah, i found it and it works well, thanks :) |
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| 02:30.14 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Ack, what a mess of a code. |
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| 02:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell HardDisk_WP about available |
| 02:31.54 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 02:32.17 | Nyle | this sucks |
| 02:32.31 | Nyle | man fuck iceweasel im ready to throw in the towel and get firefox itself |
| 02:32.43 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, this even MORE borked up :) |
| 02:32.50 | Nyle | unstable piece of donkey poo randomly disappears, crashes, ... |
| 02:33.04 | Nyle | I mean if an application crashed sure I undertand, but the app just comletely up and disappears |
| 02:33.12 | Nyle | from the process list, from task bar, fucking everything |
| 02:33.12 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, Iceweasel 3? |
| 02:33.15 | Nyle | how the FUCK is this possile |
| 02:33.15 | Nyle | wtf |
| 02:33.22 | Nyle | al;kdfj;ajdf;laskdf *hair pulling* |
| 02:33.28 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, yes in sid |
| 02:33.30 | Nyle | 3.0.3 |
| 02:33.32 | HardDisk_WP | FF3 sucks, it once fubared all my dynamic bookmarks |
| 02:33.42 | Nyle | i use foxmarks for my bookmarks |
| 02:33.43 | HardDisk_WP | required me to make new profile and use google reader |
| 02:33.45 | Nyle | and passwords too for atha tmatter |
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| 02:34.46 | Nyle | im seriously severely irritated because I depend on lots of FF extensions I can't live without em and I can't use any other browser cuz it pisses me off |
| 02:34.53 | DeathWolf | weird http://localhost/phpmyadmin or http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ give me the index.php's source, but http://localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php properly interprets |
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| 02:36.27 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, kill your profile and make new one |
| 02:36.39 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, this should restore ff to normal |
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| 02:36.52 | HardDisk_WP | but you have to export and import passwords and bookmarks |
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| 02:36.57 | HardDisk_WP | and reinstall every extension |
| 02:37.09 | Nyle | no I don't |
| 02:37.11 | Nyle | I use FEBE |
| 02:37.19 | Nyle | firefox exttion backup extension |
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| 02:37.26 | Nyle | it will backup and build all extentions to xpi |
| 02:37.41 | Nyle | I save bookmarks and passwords on my.foxmarks.com server profile and auto sync |
| 02:37.46 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:37.47 | ozatomic | JordiGH: yeah its not the nicest code but it does the job that is needed |
| 02:37.48 | lbruno | anyone here who's been bitten by Apache i18n ErrorDocument s? |
| 02:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | ozatomic, why not pdfjoin? |
| 02:38.48 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Okay, I compiled a static binary. I should be able to give you the binary, and it should work. |
| 02:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell, the time changed in the US today? |
| 02:39.42 | startgame412 | it is now standard timein the us |
| 02:39.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | cheers on ntp, or I'd not have noticed |
| 02:40.09 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, honestly, I'd reinstall everything from fresh |
| 02:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean like... get an installation disk, choose partitions, .... |
| 02:40.49 | ozatomic | JordiGH: does it work when u run it |
| 02:41.05 | ozatomic | i did an strace on the binaray i got and i see |
| 02:41.06 | ozatomic | open("/usr/local/lib/tls/x86_64/libstdc++.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 02:41.28 | JordiGH | !u |
| 02:41.29 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 02:41.48 | JordiGH | ozatomic: It seems to run, but is it supposed to do anything? Does it have a manpage? |
| 02:41.50 | ozatomic | does it work when you run it :D |
| 02:41.56 | ozatomic | nope |
| 02:42.01 | ozatomic | no manpage |
| 02:42.18 | ozatomic | what did you do to make it run? |
| 02:42.34 | JordiGH | ozatomic: I executed it... |
| 02:42.36 | ozatomic | can i appliy the change to the source here and build it |
| 02:42.44 | ozatomic | if u executed it it should say |
| 02:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | he just didn't fuck around with his runtime libraries... |
| 02:42.54 | ozatomic | mbtPdfAsm 1.0.28 |
| 02:43.00 | ozatomic | using PCRE 4.4 (http://www.pcre.org) |
| 02:43.03 | ozatomic | or somethign similer |
| 02:43.06 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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| 02:43.51 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Try to execute: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/mbtPdfAsm.bz2 |
| 02:43.57 | JordiGH | ozatomic: (uncompress first, of course) |
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| 02:44.28 | JordiGH | ozatomic: Yeah, it said that. |
| 02:44.46 | ozatomic | nice it works |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | why is this a debian problem? |
| 02:45.06 | ozatomic | that did u do? |
| 02:45.12 | JordiGH | I statically linked it. |
| 02:45.13 | JordiGH | --static |
| 02:45.25 | ozatomic | thanks |
| 02:45.28 | JordiGH | And abrotman is about to kick us out because we're offtopic. |
| 02:45.33 | ozatomic | abrotman: to start with i thought i might have been debian witht he lib |
| 02:45.42 | abrotman | ozatomic: nope .. all your fault :) |
| 02:45.48 | ozatomic | :D hehe i know that now :P |
| 02:46.57 | JordiGH | ozatomic: You could strip the binary to make it smaller, if you want. |
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| 02:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | now, to make it perfect, you must say "and this is ubuntu, anyways" |
| 02:48.03 | ozatomic | JordiGH: not sure how to do that, but for reference so i jsut do 'make --static' and it will build |
| 02:48.44 | ozatomic | sorry for being offtopic abrotman |
| 02:48.47 | ozatomic | .whois JordiGH |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | try a / |
| 02:48.59 | ozatomic | that worked well :( |
| 02:49.01 | ozatomic | :P |
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| 02:50.22 | JordiGH | Oh, I already stripped it. Never mind. |
| 02:50.49 | ozatomic | k |
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| 02:51.01 | ozatomic | what was the line u used to buidl it so i can keep it for reference incase of updated version |
| 02:51.05 | ozatomic | you |
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| 02:56.43 | jair | guys, I am setting up an email server on debian, using postfix, but now I want to be able of send email from a remote machine a laptop, what pop3 do you think is good, I do not want to use imap at the moment |
| 02:57.13 | jair | I am looking for something very simple, like pop3 server, so i can log in on a client like thunderbird and send emails |
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| 03:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | else... apt-cache search pop3 --names-only |
| 03:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 03:08.03 | kunwon1 | pop3 is receiving, isn't it? I think you need smtp |
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| 03:16.03 | ozatomic | abrotman: i'm having trouble with libstdc++.so.6 again but with a different program |
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| 03:16.14 | ozatomic | could something not be setup right? |
| 03:16.17 | abrotman | stop compiling stuff |
| 03:16.31 | rc1985 | hi guys. |
| 03:16.49 | ozatomic | can't its not in the apt |
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| 03:17.05 | rc1985 | need a little help with courier + postfix. Im reading this tutorial where it says i should patch postfix for quota. |
| 03:17.05 | ozatomic | but it works on another one of my amd64 installs |
| 03:17.16 | abrotman | ozatomic: so reinstall the package that owns that library |
| 03:17.24 | abrotman | and stop asking multiple networks about the same problem |
| 03:17.47 | rc1985 | this is from august 18th |
| 03:18.14 | rc1985 | is the more newly postfix already patched? |
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| 03:19.19 | ozatomic | i cna't realy uninstall libstdc++6 |
| 03:19.22 | ozatomic | to many thigns need it |
| 03:20.07 | medc | hello anyone can help me ? " I am connecting a nokia 6300" thru USB in order to use it as USB Driver but the debian doesnt pop it up, but is listed in the lsusb command |
| 03:20.07 | ozatomic | it has to be something simple that i'm missing here |
| 03:20.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | he said reinstall, not uninstall |
| 03:21.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in apt-get install package --reinstall |
| 03:21.37 | ozatomic | ok thanks |
| 03:22.03 | ozatomic | didn't help |
| 03:22.09 | medc | hello anyone can help me ? " I am connecting a nokia 6300" thru USB in order to use it as USB Driver but the debian doesnt pop it up, but is listed in the lsusb command |
| 03:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd bet it's not packages from the system, but some softlink you set or libraries you installed outside the package system (or in self-made packages) |
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| 03:27.19 | BitUnique | i am trying to put the debian installer daily build on my usb flash drive. but im unsure if i have goten the correct image. i got it from http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/ is that correct? |
| 03:27.47 | abrotman | !tell BitUnique about usb install |
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| 03:27.57 | medc | hello anyone can help me ? " I am connecting a nokia 6300" thru USB in order to use it as USB Driver but the debian doesnt pop it up, but is listed in the lsusb command |
| 03:28.04 | BitUnique | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:34.53 | medc | anyone use nokia thru usb like a pen drive |
| 03:35.31 | rc1985 | help! http://pastecode.com/12295 |
| 03:35.54 | abrotman | rc1985: go to #mysql |
| 03:36.13 | rc1985 | abrotman, ok. |
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| 03:37.17 | rc1985 | medc, i have a nokia, but i use bluetooth and only for sync calendar and uploading tunes. |
| 03:38.34 | medc | rc1985, i want to download my photos and my videos |
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| 03:38.47 | seriouslycgi | ive just installed lenny, (i had a problem with the last file downloading on a net install, receiving file 816 of 816, for 10 hours) so i installed base system and no desktop then apt-get e16 but i have no audio, im just wondering what i need to install to get audio going? |
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| 03:39.03 | BitUnique | abrotman: so after i have writen the installer to my flash drive, i put the http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ ISO on it to get netsupport right? |
| 03:39.20 | abrotman | AIUI .. yes |
| 03:39.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | medc, is it supposed to mount it like an usb drive or use something like ptp? |
| 03:40.02 | medc | usb dirve |
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| 03:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps install usbmount to have it automatically mounted? |
| 03:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | should then become mounted in /media/something... |
| 03:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you still have to umount yourself, though |
| 03:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I'm only using usb sticks that way - but should be similar?) |
| 03:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 03:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 03:42.14 | nadalizadeh | Anyone here knows how can I filter "-dbg" packages from debmirror or debpartial ? |
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| 03:42.26 | Josesordo | hello |
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| 03:43.26 | BitUnique | hum i get a I/O error when im trying to write the mini.iso to my usb |
| 03:43.26 | seriouslycgi | what do i need to install to lenny base/standard system to get audio? |
| 03:43.39 | abrotman | alsa-utils |
| 03:43.44 | seriouslycgi | thanks |
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| 03:44.48 | nadalizadeh | Anybody insterested in debian pkg management (and awake), by any change ? |
| 03:45.26 | abrotman | be less vague |
| 03:45.30 | Josesordo | what is the differen between debian and ubuntu? |
| 03:45.40 | abrotman | Josesordo: ask #ubuntu |
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| 03:46.51 | BitUnique | ubuntu is linux for human beeings. nuff said really. |
| 03:47.10 | abrotman | that's why i told him to ask #ubuntu .. |
| 03:47.17 | nadalizadeh | :D |
| 03:47.27 | netdaemon | awww i missed fun? |
| 03:47.41 | Maliuta | ubuntu is a debian install that has been messed up |
| 03:47.46 | abrotman | STOP |
| 03:48.03 | BitUnique | i mean coughgaycouch |
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| 03:48.27 | abrotman | BitUnique: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 03:51.31 | nadalizadeh | abrotman, do you know a better topic to ask my question ? |
| 03:51.55 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: i thought debmirror had a parameter to skip certain packages |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: why are you doing a full mirror ? |
| 03:52.58 | nadalizadeh | Because of slow internet connection, and I want to setup a local repo for an organization |
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| 03:53.35 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: as opposed to something like apt-proxy/apt-cacher |
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| 03:57.19 | nadalizadeh | abrotman, those apps some how fix the second issue, but most of my friends don't have a good internet connection, and I split the repository into DVD(s) for them |
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| 03:57.54 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: they do make DVD ISOs ... |
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| 03:58.15 | JohnRobert | Anyone know why when I issue: route add -host 192.168.1.50 dev tap0 I get SIOCADDRT: No such device even though tap0 is present in my ifconfig and ip link show listings? |
| 03:58.40 | nadalizadeh | abrotman, are they complete snapshots of repo ? |
| 03:58.43 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: as i said before, i thought debmirror had an otpion to exclude |
| 03:59.06 | nadalizadeh | abrotman, I think even if debmirror doesn't download those pkgs |
| 03:59.22 | abrotman | and your recipients will probably need those packages eventually |
| 03:59.25 | nadalizadeh | I get into trouble with debpartial, since they're still in package lists |
| 04:00.00 | abrotman | which version of debian are you trying to mirror ? |
| 04:01.23 | nadalizadeh | latest, 4.0r5 |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: you can get main on 3 DVDs |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:01.59 | abrotman | for example |
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| 04:03.59 | nadalizadeh | But thats an alternative solution for me, since I want a complete snapshot including contrib & non-free |
| 04:04.46 | abrotman | waves |
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| 04:05.19 | Roey | hi all |
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| 04:07.49 | tk8 | hey how do i get "ifconfig ra0 up" to happen before NetworkManager starts? |
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| 04:08.02 | tk8 | without hacking the start up scripts? |
| 04:08.44 | unop | tk8, make sure /etc/network/interfaces has a line that says auto ra0 |
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| 04:08.55 | tk8 | unop: it does? |
| 04:09.26 | tk8 | heh, unop, yeah i have that :-/ |
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| 04:09.35 | unop | tk8, if it does, the interfaces comes up at boot - so why would you want to bring it up again? |
| 04:09.35 | black_13 | what channle should i ask about configuring xserver |
| 04:09.41 | black_13 | sorry xorg |
| 04:10.11 | tk8 | unop because for some reason i have to bring it up once im in gnome to get it to work.. ill have to look and see whats goin on |
| 04:10.22 | tk8 | i dont think its coming up on boot |
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| 04:11.40 | unop | tk8, you could have the ifconfig command in /etc/rc.local - but that's playing with the startup scriptis |
| 04:11.47 | unop | scripts* |
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| 04:14.35 | tk8 | unop: thx |
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| 04:21.34 | tonsofpcs | any ideas with my problem here? http://tons.pastebin.com/m7cd75195 |
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| 04:32.36 | preds | I want to see which package caused a certain file to be installed on the system. Is there a way to query dpkg/apt for this information or do I need apt-file? |
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| 04:33.07 | dmoerner | dpkg -S file |
| 04:33.07 | dpkg | Badgers ate my file! |
| 04:33.12 | dmoerner | woah |
| 04:33.30 | dmoerner | preds, ^^ |
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| 04:35.30 | preds | thanks dmoerner |
| 04:35.34 | black_13 | is there a way to autoconfigure xserver |
| 04:36.09 | dmoerner | black_13, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg will reconfigure x to the default configuration without user prompts (-phigh = probability high) |
| 04:36.10 | erawfish | it already autoconfigures out of the box in lenny |
| 04:37.04 | black_13 | and this is where i say vmware and everyone gets loopy |
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| 04:44.07 | stoned | dmoerner, slight correction my good man, p = priority, as in only to ask extremely HIGH priority stuff from user, meaning minimal user interactio with the configuration, on the other hand there is priority mdium and low, and low asks user a lot of questions |
| 04:44.16 | stoned | I'm sure you knew that, I'm just clearing it up |
| 04:44.46 | dmoerner | stoned, no i didn't know that. i presumed it meant p in terms of automate those tasks with high probability of being correct. thanks for the clarification |
| 04:44.50 | stoned | hehe probability was funny :D |
| 04:44.59 | stoned | np |
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| 04:45.58 | dmoerner | stoned, well thanks to you i just found a typo in the man page :) man 7 debconf doesn't exit |
| 04:45.58 | stoned | dmoerner, these apply to everything controlled by debconf actually |
| 04:46.07 | stoned | heh |
| 04:46.13 | Fla99 | what to do about: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf ? |
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| 04:46.55 | dmoerner | nevermind. it's in debconf-doc |
| 04:46.56 | stoned | Fla99, provide more information. what did you do? entire error output, paste bi nit |
| 04:47.56 | Fla99 | i did apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade after modifying my sources from etch to testing |
| 04:48.35 | Fla99 | then i had an error about /usr/bin/python not pointing to python2.4 (had modified to python2.5) so i reverted that to python2.4 and ran apt-get dist-upgrade again |
| 04:49.47 | Fla99 | no further error messages |
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| 04:52.00 | Fla99 | anyone seen this: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf |
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| 04:53.41 | dmoerner | Fla99, is that the only error you get when you do dpkg --configure debconf |
| 04:53.52 | I_Died_Once | I got a simple question - I'm running debian etch, and I have a script I need to run at boot time, with root priv's |
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| 04:54.04 | erawfish | I_Died_Once: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 04:54.28 | I_Died_Once | its a mounting script, mounting folders to home dir's so my chroot'd users can access content |
| 04:55.20 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.25 | Fla99 | i just did what described here: http://www.mindfrost82.com/f193-debian/285536-apt-error-upgrading-etch-lenny.html |
| 04:55.31 | dmoerner | I_Died_Once, don't use a space to msg the bot |
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| 04:55.56 | dmoerner | Fla99, what is the output of dpkg --configure debconf |
| 04:56.05 | Fla99 | and when doing dpkg --configure debconf i get: debconf depends on debconf-i18n | debconf-english; however: |
| 04:56.18 | Fla99 | Package debconf-i18n is not installed. Package debconf-english is not configured yet. |
| 04:56.23 | dmoerner | Fla99, use pastebin in the future |
| 04:56.28 | dmoerner | try dpkg --configure debconf-english |
| 04:57.06 | Fla99 | says it depends on debconf but debconf not configured yet |
| 04:57.24 | Fla99 | should i install debconf-i18n? |
| 04:58.15 | sparr | i need to make my mouse ignore doubleclicks that are faster than a certain speed. can that be done simply? |
| 04:59.08 | dmoerner | Fla99, you could try. this is a seriously problematic circular dependency |
| 04:59.27 | dmoerner | Fla99, could you pastebin /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 05:05.50 | Fla99 | there you go: http://pastebin.com/d1989f1c3 |
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| 05:06.57 | Fla99 | it seems i can't install either debconf-english nor debconf-i18n |
| 05:07.03 | infinity2 | boo |
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| 05:08.49 | dmoerner | Fla99, did you by any chance have strace installed? |
| 05:09.09 | Fla99 | how can I find out? |
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| 05:09.17 | dmoerner | Fla99, you should file a bug report against debconf and attach dpkg.log and explain exactly what you did |
| 05:09.27 | nahuel55 | i just add a new source to the rpositoru |
| 05:09.35 | Fla99 | yes strace seems to be installed |
| 05:09.51 | nahuel55 | i just add a new source to the rpository and it`s not found becouse i need a key |
| 05:10.07 | nahuel55 | how do i add a key, please? |
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| 05:10.18 | dmoerner | Fla99, in this case actually it doesn't matter. just file a bug report. circular dependencies like this are virtually impossible to fix remotely. |
| 05:10.31 | dmoerner | nahuel55, it depends on the repository. they should have directions on their website |
| 05:11.26 | BeRoots | salut la compagnie :) je recherche conseil en français sur les noyau debian... Quelqu'un pour m'aider ? :) |
| 05:11.27 | nahuel55 | ok, thanks, can you tellme what`s thhe command to add a new key? |
| 05:11.46 | Fla99 | hehe okay so what should I do? wait until some one files a patch? |
| 05:12.15 | Sling | BeRoots : #debian.fr @ QuakeNet |
| 05:12.33 | BeRoots | merci ;) |
| 05:12.37 | Sling | pa rien |
| 05:12.51 | dmoerner | Fla99, use reportbug to file a bug |
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| 05:13.04 | dmoerner | nahuel55, apt-key add <filename> |
| 05:13.30 | nahuel55 | thank dmoerner |
| 05:13.48 | nahuel55 | i'm writing from Argentina |
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| 05:19.34 | Fla99 | good summary for the bug: circular dependency when running apt-get dist-upgrade after updating from etch to testing ? |
| 05:20.14 | dmoerner | Fla99, sure, or something about circular dependency between debconf and debconf-english |
| 05:20.43 | Agiofws | hello |
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| 05:25.12 | Fla99 | how can I add /var/log/dpkg.log to my bug in reportbug = |
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| 05:26.30 | dmoerner | Fla99, hit "a" before you submit the bug report but after saving the text file in the editor, then type the path to attach a file |
| 05:26.34 | iamwoody | i removed the libsasl2-2,but the apt-get and aptitude was removed too,how can i solve the problem? |
| 05:26.56 | dmoerner | iamwoody, is that a joke? does dpkg still work? |
| 05:27.13 | iamwoody | yes it is works |
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| 05:27.28 | Fla99 | hm.. i just did ctrl-o to save file |
| 05:27.30 | dmoerner | then grab the apt and apt-utils .debs from ftp.debian.org and use dpkg -i |
| 05:27.40 | iamwoody | thx |
| 05:27.51 | Fla99 | do I have to exit to hit "a" |
| 05:27.56 | dmoerner | yes |
| 05:28.00 | dmoerner | you want to exit the editor |
| 05:28.04 | dmoerner | and then it will give you one last confirmation |
| 05:28.08 | dmoerner | that's where you hit "a" |
| 05:28.38 | hesco | I have a job which needs to run for several hours on a remote machine. There is a shell utility which permits one to attache to a shell on a remote machine, run a command and have that command keep running, even if I lose my shell. Can anyone please remind me what that might be? |
| 05:28.49 | dmoerner | hesco, screen |
| 05:28.59 | hesco | thank you sir. that's it. |
| 05:29.40 | hesco | just what I couldn't think of. |
| 05:30.09 | hesco | as I recall I ssh remote.example.com, then screen my_long_running_script.pl |
| 05:30.15 | hesco | is that how this is used? |
| 05:30.45 | iamwoody | which one is the best for etch ? the last version? apt, apt-utils ? |
| 05:30.57 | Fla99 | ok i filed the bug |
| 05:31.26 | dmoerner | iamwoody, 0.6.46.4-0.1 |
| 05:31.32 | Fla99 | can I try to circumvent this problem? |
| 05:31.39 | iamwoody | thanks |
| 05:33.02 | dmoerner | Fla99, not easily or safely |
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| 05:33.42 | Joint | hey anyone in here experienced with blootbot? |
| 05:34.56 | dmoerner | Fla99, you should post on the bug report the output of dpkg --configure debconf; dpkg --configure debconf-english; aptitude install -f |
| 05:35.17 | dmoerner | just send an email to 504369@bugs.debian.org with that information |
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| 05:38.02 | kunwon1 | Joint, ask your question |
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| 05:39.25 | esthar | I'm trying to get 2.6.26 working with dm-crypt. As it is, it cannot boot my AES encrypted / partition. Any suggestions? |
| 05:41.32 | Joint | kunwon1, the thing is on my blootbot.config i have something like #set addressCharacter ! |
| 05:41.48 | Joint | kunwon1, but the bot does not respond to the commands with ! it reponds to ~ |
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| 05:41.57 | kunwon1 | Joint, you need to remove the # from the beginning of the line for it to be effective. The # makes it a comment |
| 05:42.03 | Joint | so i was wondering what i'm i doing wrong and yes i did uncommented it. |
| 05:42.37 | kunwon1 | Joint, did you edit the config file while the bot was running? I believe you have to shut down the bot to edit it, or it will overwrite your edits with the old config when it saves on exit |
| 05:43.02 | Joint | kunwon1, that's what i get this error [ 124] !WARN! ICC: found 'addressCharacter' option in main config file. |
| 05:43.02 | Joint | [ 125] config (#debian): backward-compatible option: found param{floodRepeat} (2:10) instead of chan option |
| 05:43.02 | Joint | [ 126] config (#debian): backward-compatible option: found param{floodMessages} (10:30) instead of chan option |
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| 05:43.25 | Fla99 | can't I use --force or something to install one of the packages and then install the other one? |
| 05:44.12 | Joint | that's the error i'm getting kunwon1 |
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| 05:45.36 | dmoerner | Fla99, make sure you attach that extra information to the bug report. dpkg force options probably won't work for debconf as it's called by debconf. |
| 05:45.48 | dmoerner | you could try if you want |
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| 05:47.42 | Joint | i got it =) |
| 05:48.39 | Fla99 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504369 |
| 05:48.56 | Joint | how do i add something to the bot for example !ops to say ops are nick |
| 05:49.31 | kunwon1 | Joint, what did you do to fix your problemw ith addresscharacter? |
| 05:49.41 | Joint | kunwon1, on the chan config |
| 05:50.04 | kunwon1 | Joint, that's what I was just going to suggest :) |
| 05:50.33 | kunwon1 | Joint, to add something, say your bot is named blootbot: blootbot, ops is blah blah blah |
| 05:50.55 | Joint | <dpkg> owner is, like, aaron |
| 05:50.59 | hesco | !unique |
| 05:51.00 | dpkg | hmm... unique is meaning queer, unlikely, or often unseen |
| 05:51.00 | Joint | i do not want him to say that |
| 05:51.33 | hesco | !manual |
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| 05:55.04 | dmoerner | Fla99, you want to reply to the bug report with the information i told you. there is currently not enough information to debug anything |
| 05:55.17 | kunwon1 | Joint, I don't understand what you mean |
| 05:56.06 | Fla99 | i am sorry, which information do you mean? |
| 05:56.13 | Fla99 | i added the log file |
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| 05:58.25 | seriouslycgi | i installed lenny base install and e16 how do i get sound running? |
| 05:58.33 | dmoerner | Fla99, dpkg --configure debconf; dpkg --configure debconf-english; apt-cache policy debconf; apt-cache policy debconf-english; aptitude install -f |
| 05:58.50 | Fla99 | ok. i must've missed this message |
| 05:59.06 | dmoerner | Fla99, ah no problem i sent it a while back |
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| 06:01.57 | faheem_ | Hi. Could anyone here explain http://www.gratisoft.us/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=310 to me? |
| 06:02.05 | faheem_ | Don't have a clue what he's on about. |
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| 06:02.34 | \amethyst | faheem_: cd isn't a command, but a shell builtin |
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| 06:03.07 | \amethyst | faheem_: if it were a command it wouldn't work because the shell's current directory wouldn't change |
| 06:03.21 | faheem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.31 | \amethyst | faheem_: correct.. you'd need something like sudo sh -c 'cd /; bash' |
| 06:04.45 | \amethyst | faheem_: to A. run it in a shell (sh -c) and B. change directory and then launch a shell in that directory |
| 06:04.45 | faheem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.53 | \amethyst | but that would give you a root shell |
| 06:05.02 | faheem_ | What is the reason sudo can't be used with shell builtins? |
| 06:05.25 | \amethyst | because it doesn't pass its command line to a shell, but executes it directly |
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| 06:05.32 | \amethyst | even if it did, it wouldn't work |
| 06:05.52 | \amethyst | sudo sh -c 'cd /' will leave you in your original directory, for the reason mentioned in the comment |
| 06:06.12 | faheem_ | \amethyst: Yes, I see. |
| 06:06.43 | \amethyst | because the current working directory, like the environment, only propagates from parents to children |
| 06:08.20 | \amethyst | and sudo is a child of the shell you run it in, so any environment changes it or its children make are gone by the time it exits (actually by the time the sh -c exits) |
| 06:08.27 | faheem_ | To summarize, sudo creates a new process? |
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| 06:08.51 | faheem_ | Which cannot affect the current shell process? |
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| 06:09.39 | \amethyst | faheem_: exactly |
| 06:10.03 | faheem_ | \amethyst: Well, live and learn. |
| 06:10.12 | faheem_ | \amethyst: Thanks for the clarification. |
| 06:10.52 | faheem_ | \amethyst: Not sure why your example sudo sh -c 'cd /; bash' works, though. |
| 06:11.12 | faheem_ | Isn't this creating a child process too? |
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| 06:11.35 | \amethyst | faheem_: yes, but then it's launching an interactive shell as a child of that process, after that process changes its directory |
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| 06:12.06 | LamerC | Hello. How do I mount an hd image at a mount point using loop device if the image is 'partitioned' |
| 06:12.09 | faheem_ | \amethyst: So, a grandchild, in other words? |
| 06:12.51 | \amethyst | faheem_: yes (technically a great-grandchild: shell -> sudo -> sh -> bash ) |
| 06:13.19 | \amethyst | faheem_: and it is only in sh and bash that the cwd is / |
| 06:13.28 | \amethyst | faheem_: back in the original shell it's still whatever it was |
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| 06:15.15 | kshah | I want to use apt to install trac, but i don't want it to include python.. because i need python 2.5 |
| 06:15.28 | kshah | do i need to learn how to use apt, or is this something i can't do via apt? |
| 06:15.43 | Fla99 | dmoerner: this seems to fix it: http://www.mindfrost82.com/f193-debian/285536-apt-error-upgrading-etch-lenny.html |
| 06:15.50 | Fla99 | i just used --force-depends |
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| 06:16.04 | dmoerner | Fla99, then just add that to the bug report as well |
| 06:16.19 | Fla99 | ok good |
| 06:16.37 | faheem_ | \amethyst: I see. Sneaky. |
| 06:17.23 | kshah | there isn't an option in the apt help to remove dependencies afaik |
| 06:18.58 | BitUnique | what is the difference between java 5 and java 6 plugin? |
| 06:19.35 | kshah | if you're talking about community edition, its like... way faster |
| 06:19.54 | faheem_ | \amethyst: I see you do bioinformatics work with databases and stuff. Do you use sqlalchemy or similar? |
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| 06:31.23 | lbruno | anyone awake? |
| 06:31.29 | kqr | can i some some kind of 'xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock"'-ish thingey system-wide, ever-lasting and not layout dependant? |
| 06:31.42 | lbruno | I need a quick DNS check |
| 06:32.04 | Maliuta | passes lbruno dig and host |
| 06:32.10 | lbruno | dig @84.91.3.120 ename.pt mx |
| 06:32.26 | lbruno | wishes he had an external shell... :-) |
| 06:32.40 | Maliuta | what? |
| 06:32.48 | Maliuta | you don't have a shell? |
| 06:32.49 | BitUnique | what the flash plugin package called in lenny testing? |
| 06:32.53 | lbruno | Maliuta: i have no machine outside of this network here... |
| 06:33.07 | Maliuta | lbruno: there are any number of looking glass sites out there |
| 06:33.15 | lbruno | please, do point |
| 06:33.49 | lbruno | I was using intodns.com, but then the negative answer got cached... |
| 06:34.41 | lbruno | actually, a ping 84.91.3.120 might be enough actually |
| 06:35.16 | kqr | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 06:35.23 | kqr | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 06:35.23 | kqr | what could be using apt? |
| 06:35.29 | Maliuta | lbruno: http://www.sjp.dropbear.id.au/lookingglass.html |
| 06:35.32 | kunwon1 | kqr, are you using sudo? |
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| 06:35.39 | Maliuta | lbruno: big list of them |
| 06:35.46 | Maliuta | lbruno: google is your friend |
| 06:36.10 | kqr | kunwon1: oh, no xD |
| 06:37.08 | lbruno | Maliuta: good point |
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| 06:40.56 | kqr | can i do some some kind of 'xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock"'-ish thingey system-wide, ever-lasting and not layout dependant? |
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| 06:41.57 | kunwon1 | kqr, I know it gives you that option when you initially configure xorg |
| 06:42.58 | Fla99 | how can I see what programs are running on a specific port? (not nmap, i want to know which program like in a ps aux) |
| 06:43.24 | erawfish | Fla99: netstat -anp |
| 06:43.29 | kunwon1 | kqr, in the keyboard section of xorg.conf: Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps" to disable caps lock |
| 06:43.29 | kqr | kunwon1: 'initially', is there a way to do that again? |
| 06:43.39 | kqr | okey |
| 06:43.40 | kqr | great |
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| 06:44.28 | esthar | I'm trying to get 2.6.26 working with dm-crypt. As it is, it cannot boot my AES encrypted / partition. Any suggestions? I'm stuck using Etch's 2.6.18 but I want to upgrade!! |
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| 06:45.25 | kunwon1 | kqr, alternately you could put that xmodmap command in ~/.bashrc |
| 06:45.48 | kqr | kunwon1: yeah, but i like the xorg.conf way better :P |
| 06:45.56 | kunwon1 | kqr, :) |
| 06:46.11 | kqr | putting xmodmap in .bashrc seems more like some quick hacktogether to me ^^ |
| 06:47.29 | kunwon1 | kqr, what if you go into a VT, then your caps lock will be back! |
| 06:47.50 | kqr | yeah, i know, but hopefully i won't need that too often ;) |
| 06:47.56 | kunwon1 | fair enough. |
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| 06:48.33 | kqr | how do i check what gtk version i have? :P |
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| 06:51.06 | Maliuta | kqr: dpkg -l | grep gtk |
| 06:51.12 | kqr | thx |
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| 06:55.33 | raevol | what pdf reader does ubuntu use? |
| 06:55.43 | mbuf | can anyone help me debug why a Perl CGI script is not being interpreted in apache2 on Debian Lenny at /var/www? |
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| 06:56.24 | mbuf | right now, it displays the perl .cgi file rather than interpret it |
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| 06:57.28 | n3kl | HardDisk_WP: little late, but, cool setup |
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| 06:58.32 | lbruno | mbuf: lack of SetHandler? .oO(just a shot in the dark) |
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| 07:00.06 | lbruno | waves goodby |
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| 07:01.46 | Fla99 | what to do about something like this when dpkg --configure python-imaging: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files |
| 07:02.11 | Fla99 | googled it and only thing shows up are ubuntu results saying this bug was fixed |
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| 07:10.19 | raevol | anyone know what pdf reader ubuntu uses? is it still evince or do we have something better now? |
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| 07:11.58 | adb | same as debian ? |
| 07:12.16 | raevol | ack wrong channel |
| 07:12.18 | raevol | sorry guys |
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| 07:21.25 | prathibha | Is there any equivalent for macromedia flash editor in debian? |
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| 07:24.10 | manu_hack | iceweasel3 is using my 23% of 2.5 G mem? I have less than 10 tabs, is that normal? |
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| 07:25.43 | adb | not here |
| 07:25.58 | prathibha | How to edit .swf files in debian? |
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| 07:29.15 | mhymn | prathibha: is there any tool for linux generally? |
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| 07:30.42 | prathibha | mhymn, flash for linux(f4l) |
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| 07:34.14 | mhymn | prathibha: then why don't you install it in debian yourself? google might help you too, consider this one as an example: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11835 |
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| 07:38.29 | up365 | prathibha, why don't you use synaptic, there is a free and non-free(flash)listed. |
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| 07:57.59 | giusef | Hi. Is it possible to configure apt to always download -dev packages with libraries? |
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| 08:12.31 | msshams | i use gnome and i want to write my university booklets in my laptop. do you any suggest that what software is suitable for me? |
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| 08:15.57 | mhymn | msshams: #gnome ? |
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| 08:17.25 | msshams | :D |
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| 08:24.24 | imzu | msshams, openoffice? |
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| 08:26.08 | msshams | imzu: i need to a software like basket or onenote for gtk not OOO |
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| 08:39.04 | giusef | why if I do apt-get remove brasero kaffeine mplayer ekiga transmission it asks to remove also gnome-desktop-environment in lenny? |
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| 08:39.46 | Arafangion | Hey, which is the easiest virtual machine to install on Etch? VirtualBox is proving irritating. (Can't compile kernel module) |
| 08:40.55 | jelly-home | Arafangion: which kernel? which vbox version? |
| 08:41.12 | jelly-home | Arafangion: what is your stance on nonfree software? |
| 08:41.18 | giusef | Arafangion, have you installed the kernel dev package to compile? |
| 08:41.26 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Default kernel, default vbox. |
| 08:41.39 | Arafangion | giusef: No, what is it called? |
| 08:41.47 | alcohol | giuppy: a silly dependency maybe? |
| 08:41.53 | jelly-home | Arafangion: please tell exact versions. I have no idea which debian release you're using |
| 08:42.17 | mhymn | giusef: gnome depecnds on brasero (or even transmission) iirc |
| 08:42.19 | jelly-home | even if you said etch or lenny, I'd have to look up, so spare me the trouble |
| 08:42.45 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Linux 2.6.18-5-k7, and vbox is... 2.0_2.0.4 for etch. |
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| 08:43.02 | Facedown | i have a .db file thats accessed by root.. i have no other users but my django program fails to write to it |
| 08:43.03 | jelly-home | Arafangion: so, nonfree vbox |
| 08:43.05 | Facedown | how can i provide access to it? |
| 08:43.08 | kunwon1 | giusef, aptitude show gnome-desktop-environment , depends on ekiga |
| 08:43.27 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I believe it's the non-free one, yes. |
| 08:43.28 | giusef | mhymn, gnome depends on brasero??? |
| 08:43.44 | jelly-home | Arafangion: is linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? is build-essential installed? |
| 08:43.53 | kunwon1 | giusef, no it doesn't, it depends on ekiga |
| 08:44.35 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Thanks, that is likely to be the trick, I only tried to install "linux-kernel-headers". |
| 08:44.45 | giusef | kunwon1, how can i see what packages does gnome-desktop-environment contains? it's a metapackage right? |
| 08:44.54 | mhymn | that means i didn't recall correctly |
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| 08:46.00 | giusef | Arafangion, linux-kernel-headers are needed to compile a kernel module |
| 08:46.03 | kunwon1 | giusef, with that command I gave you up there, aptitude show gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:46.14 | mhymn | or http://packages.debian.org/etch/gnome-desktop-environment |
| 08:46.17 | jelly-home | Arafangion: right. also, nonfree vbox build and the packaged -ose version have different ways to build modules |
| 08:46.20 | kunwon1 | giusef, meta-packages work by depending on a set of packages, thereby pulling them all in and installing them |
| 08:47.03 | jelly-home | giusef: negative on that; build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) should be enough |
| 08:47.16 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Perfect, that did the trick. Thanks. |
| 08:47.20 | giusef | kunwon1, so if I uninstall ekiga, I have to uninstall also gnome-desktop-environment uninstalling also the _whole_ GNOME?? |
| 08:47.45 | giusef | jelly-home, oh yes sorry |
| 08:48.05 | kunwon1 | giusef, if you uninstall ekiga, then gnome-desktop-environment will be uninstalled, and all those packages will go with it. If you mark those packages as manually installed, you should be able to remove g-d-e without losing any of the rest of them. |
| 08:48.20 | kunwon1 | I haven't tried this, but I'm fairly sure that's how it works. |
| 08:48.50 | giusef | kunwon1, wtf? I hope I had not understand what you said |
| 08:48.51 | jelly-home | Arafangion: I believe reading the vbox manual would have pointed you to the same solution |
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| 08:50.05 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 08:50.16 | kunwon1 | giusef, when aptitude installed g-d-e, it had to meet the dependencies, so it -automatically- installed all the packages g-d-e depends on. So, if you remove one of those packages, thereby removing g-d-e, it will remove all the rest of those packages that were installed with g-d-e, because it believes you no longer want them. If you mark them manually installed, they should stick around even if you remove g-d-e |
| 08:50.24 | jelly-home | their user manual isn't half bad |
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| 08:51.23 | giusef | kunwon1, ok it's quite logical but doesn't make sense for an user. |
| 08:51.34 | giusef | I want to remove only ekiga |
| 08:53.06 | juniper | I could never get my x-eye camera to work although they said ekiga would support it :( |
| 08:53.34 | Arafangion | juniper: Who's "they"? |
| 08:54.04 | juniper | those folks on the web |
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| 08:55.29 | Arafangion | juniper: Might have to upgrade your kernel and/or ekidga |
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| 08:57.11 | juniper | looking into it.. it's been many months |
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| 08:59.57 | juniper | not going to bother for now.. it's probably faster to buy a camera supported already |
| 09:00.00 | juniper | if you know of one :) |
| 09:00.00 | mhymn | giusef: another (bad) solution might be to let it remove the g-d-e and then install removed pkges one by one again, this time without installing g-d-e though |
| 09:00.31 | juniper | anyway, don't waste your time right now either.. so much to do |
| 09:01.56 | giusef | mhymn, pacman (archlinux package manager) has 2 option to remove a package: 1) remove it removing also all deps; 2) remove it removing also deps which aren't deps for other pkgs |
| 09:02.25 | giusef | I expected this also in apt :( |
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| 09:03.11 | moise7000 | Hi all :) |
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| 09:03.53 | moise7000 | Has someone heard about a mysql bug under high load in the stable distribution? |
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| 09:06.55 | moshii | moise7000: check the bts |
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| 09:07.49 | kunwon1 | giusef, to mark all the dependencies as manually installed, you could do sudo aptitude unmarkauto ~Rgnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:08.02 | kunwon1 | then try removing ekiga |
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| 09:08.35 | belair | hi there ! i'm looking for irc logs archive of debians channels... i've found mailinglist but nothing for irclogs, anyone if they are avaible anywhere ? |
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| 09:09.33 | kunwon1 | !irclog |
| 09:09.34 | dpkg | i heard irclog is #debian is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
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| 09:10.27 | moise7000 | moshii: Nothing found in the BTS, here is the mysql error log : http://pastebin.com/d5df633d7 |
| 09:11.14 | moshii | moise7000: so locking breaks under heavy loads? |
| 09:11.29 | moise7000 | It seems yes. |
| 09:11.55 | moshii | moise7000: maybe you need to scale down the maximum concurrent connections... |
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| 09:12.37 | kunwon1 | giusef, any luck? |
| 09:13.12 | moshii | moise7000: have you checked MySQLs bugtracker (I'm assuming they have one) as well? |
| 09:13.17 | moise7000 | Yes but this will result in max connection exceed in the frontend no? |
| 09:13.50 | moshii | moise7000: whatever is connecting should have logic to wait if there are no free connections |
| 09:13.56 | belair | dpkg : thx ! that's all i was looking for, big thx ! |
| 09:13.56 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, belair |
| 09:14.46 | moise7000 | Yes, a similar things appear in version 5.0.34 but debian's version is mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.32, for pc-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2 |
| 09:15.13 | moshii | moise7000: so it only appears in the debian build of mysql? |
| 09:15.13 | moise7000 | You know php is not the best language to do that :( |
| 09:15.39 | moshii | moise7000: the mysql parts of php should have the logic to wait for a connection |
| 09:15.40 | moise7000 | No, before these server was on a 64bit debian system and all was working fine... |
| 09:15.53 | moise7000 | this* |
| 09:15.56 | Arafangion | moise7000: When did anyone mention php? |
| 09:16.00 | moshii | moise7000: what changed? |
| 09:16.17 | moshii | Arafangion: I presume thats the language his application is written in |
| 09:16.22 | giusef | kunwon1, no, I want to understand the logic. I'd like to remove only ekiga, without having to deal with apt internals... |
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| 09:16.48 | moise7000 | Now it's a 32bit system... And before the web application + database server was on the same server, now they are splitted. |
| 09:17.23 | moshii | moise7000: is it the same actual db but running on the 32bit machine? |
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| 09:17.45 | moise7000 | Arafangion: We are talking about a logic for the frontend to have a connection pool, the frontend is a web application. (written in PHP) |
| 09:17.52 | kunwon1 | giusef, that's not apt internals, that's one command. |
| 09:18.00 | Arafangion | moise7000: php's an /ideal/ language for that! |
| 09:18.00 | moshii | wonders if the on disk format is different.. |
| 09:18.02 | moise7000 | moshii: yes it is |
| 09:18.23 | giusef | kunwon1, ok, I am discussing the usability of this system |
| 09:18.32 | moshii | moise7000: Maybe the 32bit just doesnt have enough guts to do what you want to do |
| 09:18.45 | Trewas | giusef: try apt-get instead of aptitude, it won't autoagically remove everything... however, you'll have to use apt-get always afterwards, otherwise aptitude will remove them anyway |
| 09:19.00 | Trewas | this is exactly the reason I still use apt-get :P |
| 09:19.21 | kunwon1 | giusef, you have a debian system, which has varying levels of customizability. You selected to have a desktop environment pre-installed for you, which was done, through a metapackage. If you wanted more fine grained control, you should have started without the desktop environment. |
| 09:19.24 | moshii | moise7000: So applications use different on disk formats depending on the platform, but I dont think thats the case with mysql |
| 09:19.44 | moise7000 | moshii: It was the same disk format. |
| 09:19.50 | moshii | moise7000: s/so/some |
| 09:19.59 | moise7000 | moshii: But the kernel is different :) |
| 09:20.14 | kunwon1 | or to put it another way, you wanted automatic install, this is the consequences |
| 09:20.30 | moshii | moise7000: the new machine is slower than the original one? |
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| 09:21.46 | moise7000 | No, the load average don't grow upper than 2-3. |
| 09:22.01 | moise7000 | On the old machine it was 30-40... hem |
| 09:22.15 | moshii | 30 load average is bad isnt it.. |
| 09:22.30 | moise7000 | That's why we splitted services :) |
| 09:22.47 | moshii | load averages only show how many processes are waiting for other processes to finish though |
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| 09:23.51 | moise7000 | moshii: The machine maximum ressources are clearly not hit... |
| 09:24.01 | moise7000 | moshii: That's the strange part... |
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| 09:24.24 | moshii | moise7000: have you run atop or something? |
| 09:24.46 | moise7000 | moshii: When mysql hangs, it begin to eat 100% of one processor and don't respond anymore, I have to kill -9 |
| 09:24.56 | moise7000 | moshii: nop |
| 09:25.12 | prathibha | How to use swfplayer |
| 09:25.40 | moshii | moise7000: Maybe report it as a bug, in the mean time you should cap the load going to the server |
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| 09:26.46 | moise7000 | moshii: Ok, I'll continue investigation, our customer aren't very happy, cuz it crash randomly, 2 or 3 times per day. |
| 09:26.54 | moshii | moise7000: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=10472 |
| 09:27.08 | e0226544 | hi all |
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| 09:27.18 | moshii | moise7000: thats an old old bug report.. they reckon they added more memory and it went away |
| 09:27.26 | moise7000 | moshii: thanks, that's for 4.1 version |
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| 09:27.37 | moise7000 | moshii: I'll check it out. |
| 09:28.00 | moshii | moise7000: theres one for 5.x too.. just looking through them |
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| 09:29.21 | _PeaceMaker | hi all ! ive got a problem with my ASUS P5E-VM onboard network card. |
| 09:30.05 | moise7000 | moshii: I begin to wonder if it's not specific to my kernel... |
| 09:30.06 | Arafangion | What does this mean? |
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| 09:30.17 | _PeaceMaker | hi Arafangion |
| 09:30.27 | Arafangion | tar: foo.tar: Wrote only 2048 of 10240 bytes; tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 09:30.27 | _PeaceMaker | my debian doesnt find it |
| 09:30.35 | moshii | moise7000: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=29560 is interesting.. |
| 09:30.46 | _PeaceMaker | i try to use Altheros drivers for linux, but still same problem |
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| 09:31.05 | _PeaceMaker | its an build-in Altheros L2 Gigabit Netword Card 10/100 Mbit |
| 09:31.37 | moshii | _PeaceMaker: eee pc? |
| 09:32.06 | _PeaceMaker | now, desktop-pc. ASUS P5VM-HDMI with Intel Q6600 Quadcore and 2 GB 800Mhz dual channel |
| 09:32.16 | _PeaceMaker | sorry P5E-VM HDMI |
| 09:32.36 | _PeaceMaker | already looked on the asus website and downloaded their drivers for linux |
| 09:33.04 | moshii | _PeaceMaker: there are drivers in debian for the L2, it's the same chipset in the eee pc |
| 09:33.11 | moshii | _PeaceMaker: have you tried those? |
| 09:33.39 | _PeaceMaker | havent seen them during installation process... |
| 09:33.40 | moise7000 | moshii: Thank, I'll check the package history to view if those changes was applied to debian version. |
| 09:33.52 | _PeaceMaker | ive got a debian sarge dvd |
| 09:34.16 | moise7000 | moshii: And again, thanks for you help ;) |
| 09:34.20 | moshii | moise7000: Pretty interesting problem, blamed on all sorts of things except mysql haha |
| 09:34.34 | simonrvn | Arafangion: what it says. take the error msg apart, bit by bit. |
| 09:34.53 | moise7000 | moshii: Yes it is :p |
| 09:35.06 | _PeaceMaker | i think there wasnt the right network card adapter |
| 09:35.07 | Arafangion | simonrvn: It has written _substantially_ more than 2048 bytes, it's written 13G, as a matter of fact. |
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| 09:35.28 | prathibha | up365, what is the name of that flash application in repo. Is it libflash-swfplayer? |
| 09:35.41 | _PeaceMaker | ok, i'll write it down and come back here in the evening, is it ok? i'm not at home now to look for error mesages |
| 09:36.07 | simonrvn | Arafangion: probably the header, or some part of the tar puked. |
| 09:36.12 | simonrvn | some other* |
| 09:36.42 | RichiH | a quick way to find the most recent file[s] on a system that have been written to is? I assume I will use find, but i need it fast! |
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| 09:36.50 | RichiH | readning manpage in parallel |
| 09:36.53 | _PeaceMaker | i have no clue, i just wanne to get rid of m$, looked around and took my decision for debian, because it's the largest distribution |
| 09:36.55 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Bleh, neither part sounds good. |
| 09:36.59 | RichiH | if anyone knows off the tops of their heaads, craok |
| 09:37.26 | slicer_ | !tell prathibha about flash |
| 09:37.26 | moshii | _PeaceMaker: the L2 is pretty new, it wont be in sarge |
| 09:37.58 | prathibha | slicer_, yeah tell me |
| 09:38.09 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Ok, ignore me, I'm an idiot. |
| 09:38.10 | _PeaceMaker | moshii: ive downloaded the netinstaller cd of etch? ( the latest version), but same problem |
| 09:38.13 | simonrvn | Arafangion: no. could also be soome random disk error. have you tried unpacking it again? |
| 09:38.16 | slicer_ | prathibha: look at what dpkg told ya |
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| 09:38.49 | simonrvn | RichiH: yeh find |
| 09:38.59 | _PeaceMaker | and because of that i can not get packages i need / wanna install over internet |
| 09:39.07 | moshii | _PeaceMaker: you need etch and a half I think |
| 09:39.13 | moshii | _PeaceMaker: The L2 is new new |
| 09:40.10 | RichiH | simonrvn: found it (pun intended) |
| 09:40.18 | _PeaceMaker | moshii: etch and a half? ive downloaded latest stable netinstaller-package cd from gd.tuwien.ac.at |
| 09:40.29 | prathibha | slicer_, I installed libflash-swfplayer. I used the "swfplayer" command to play a swf file. Only a white screen is getting displayed. HOw to use swfplayer. |
| 09:40.37 | simonrvn | RichiH: *grin* |
| 09:41.34 | simonrvn | prathibha: browser plugin or standalone? |
| 09:41.34 | _PeaceMaker | moshii: i think its the latest stable version, isnt it? they mirror all debian packages |
| 09:41.54 | prathibha | simonrvn, standalone |
| 09:41.58 | simonrvn | !etchnhalf |
| 09:41.59 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 09:42.33 | prathibha | simonrvn, I got this error "open dsp: No such file or directory" |
| 09:43.18 | simonrvn | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 09:43.58 | simonrvn | as root, and then echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules |
| 09:45.05 | prathibha | simonrvn, I did that. |
| 09:45.40 | simonrvn | do you have udev installed? |
| 09:46.09 | _PeaceMaker | dpkg: thank you for the link, i try to install via this iso |
| 09:46.10 | dpkg | pas de quoi, _PeaceMaker |
| 09:46.15 | simonrvn | if not do sh /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices as root |
| 09:46.51 | simonrvn | otherwise do udevtrigger (or udevadm trigger) if you do |
| 09:47.11 | prathibha | simonrvn, Now I am not getting that error |
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| 09:48.28 | _PeaceMaker | i hope that there will be no troubles installing via this cd-image. cu in the evening. thanks so far |
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| 09:53.46 | _PeaceMaker | bye all |
| 09:54.01 | _PeaceMaker | thanks for your help and time |
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| 09:56.11 | robokop | I run lenny with grub2, and since i upgraded tomorrow i can't boot anymore, it says error: unknown command `initrd` |
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| 09:58.45 | moshii | robokop: you're missing a module in your grub image |
| 09:59.07 | robokop | moshii: how can I restore that? |
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| 10:10.51 | Siyabulela | re |
| 10:11.19 | Siyabulela | wonders who talked to him and how long ago it must have been... |
| 10:11.59 | simonrvn | /lastlog if you have irssi |
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| 10:13.33 | Siyabulela | simonrvn: lol, 5171 lines is a tad too much |
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| 10:15.06 | korhojoa | haha |
| 10:15.09 | korhojoa | 5175 lines |
| 10:15.10 | korhojoa | awesome |
| 10:15.27 | simonrvn | with your nick in it? o_O |
| 10:16.00 | korhojoa | er. wat |
| 10:16.05 | simonrvn | /lastlog Siyabulela |
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| 10:16.25 | korhojoa | ah. |
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| 10:16.46 | korhojoa | :( |
| 10:18.12 | robokop | how can i fix my grub2 if there is a module missing |
| 10:18.31 | CoolCold | hello |
| 10:18.33 | CoolCold | [331188.163338] INFO: task md3_resync:25046 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 10:18.44 | CoolCold | anyone can say what this could be? |
| 10:18.57 | CoolCold | there are more tasks blocked like this |
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| 10:19.30 | simonrvn | some resync job having to do with /dev/md3, at first glance, and no other info.... |
| 10:19.46 | simonrvn | robokop: tried reinstalling it? |
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| 10:21.58 | robokop | simonrvn: can't boot into my system at the moment, and my cd drive is broken |
| 10:22.11 | Xedge | hi, is there an easy way to show a message befor the installation of deb-packages? |
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| 10:23.33 | CoolCold | simonrvn: http://paste.org.ru/?ur7soo here more data |
| 10:24.08 | CoolCold | i have no idea why md check was started - server was not rebooted |
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| 10:24.55 | simonrvn | disk error? |
| 10:25.07 | simonrvn | cron job? |
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| 10:25.27 | CoolCold | simonrvn: there is no message about disk error |
| 10:25.33 | simonrvn | pdflush kernel thread crashed, for one thing |
| 10:25.58 | CoolCold | http://paste.org.ru/?6nfzhb |
| 10:26.02 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 10:26.19 | CoolCold | md check hanged with speed 0k |
| 10:26.48 | milligan_ | I'm trying to set up VPN on my server, but I get this: GRE: Bad checksum from pppd. .. What does that mean, and how can I fix it ? |
| 10:28.51 | CoolCold | simonrvn: there is pdflush in process list |
| 10:30.03 | RichiH | where in /proc or /sys does the integer that counts seconds since start live? |
| 10:30.09 | RichiH | or msecs or whatever |
| 10:32.06 | tuxcrafter | hello everybody, i am searching for package to get an ical server i found davical but i don't really like it to much webbased configuration i like to commanline en config files to much |
| 10:32.20 | tuxcrafter | does somebody now some ical server then i can use in debian sid |
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| 10:33.47 | Arafangion | tuxcrafter: Hmm, possibly apache, with the dav module. |
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| 10:34.53 | denis_ | hi, i think i have this bug (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501969) whit initramfs when i try to upgrade to lenny |
| 10:35.02 | denis_ | is it a way to solve this ? |
| 10:35.03 | tuxcrafter | http://caldav.calconnect.org/implementations/servers.html |
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| 10:39.41 | slicer_ | denis_: try it, see if it works |
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| 10:40.27 | slicer_ | or do a clean install of lenny |
| 10:40.34 | inflex | Hi there, a fair while ago I marked my linux kernel/modules to be 'pinned/held-back' and now I cannot recall how to _unpin_ these packages |
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| 10:41.07 | denis_ | slicer_, i have a boot failure when i do a dist-upgrade |
| 10:41.33 | denis_ | slicer_, not possible, the server come with etch |
| 10:42.15 | slicer_ | denis_: then you'll some packages coz they may not be compatible? |
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| 10:42.29 | slicer_ | you'll loose some packages* |
| 10:43.28 | denis_ | i don't think, it's a clean default installation and the first think i do is a dist-upgrade |
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| 10:44.35 | jorge_ | hello |
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| 10:48.13 | themill | dpkg: tell inflex about pinning |
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| 10:54.32 | E-bola | Do anybody know why my curses/ncurses app displays random characters instaid of straight lines etc, when i run it from within a screen session? |
| 10:54.43 | E-bola | I've seen the problem before, but cant remember how i fixed it |
| 10:55.10 | jorge_ | I have some help with quotes |
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| 10:55.27 | jorge_ | I can have quotes for specific directory? |
| 10:55.36 | jorge_ | or only for the entirely file system? |
| 10:55.44 | unop | E-bola, probably adjusting the locale/lang |
| 10:55.50 | unop | jorge_, what do you mean? |
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| 10:57.14 | prathibha | How to install a stand-alone flash player in debian? |
| 10:57.17 | E-bola | unop: But why would screen use something else than my normal shell? And how do i see what differs? |
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| 10:58.29 | illio | How would one remove the service headers on services like vsftpd? .. When doing an nmap scan I can get a header of the application.. is anyone aware of an easy way to remove these? |
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| 10:59.10 | jorge_ | unop I want to set up limits for users disk usage in a specific directory |
| 10:59.16 | jorge_ | it is for a ftp sever |
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| 10:59.41 | jorge_ | /home/ftp is the root folder |
| 10:59.49 | jorge_ | /home/ftp/usuario1 |
| 10:59.56 | jorge_ | /home/fpt/usuario2 |
| 11:00.20 | jorge_ | I want to set up a limit of 1GB for example |
| 11:00.24 | jorge_ | in each directory |
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| 11:00.39 | bolt-work | !tell jorge_ about quotas |
| 11:00.48 | bolt-work | !tell jorge_ about quota |
| 11:00.49 | bolt-work | grr |
| 11:00.58 | petemc | illio: that usually called the banner |
| 11:01.30 | illio | petemc, oh okay.. I was searching for the wrong thing then.. I'll try out google again |
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| 11:02.00 | bolt-work | illio: a simple google search on vsftpd banner will return the correct answer :) |
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| 11:03.53 | illio | bolt-work, yep.. I was simply searching for "vsftpd header" that was why I wasn't finding anything |
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| 11:05.13 | illio | One more question. A standard Debian server has exim4 running on port 25, but this is also available externally. I don't need the smtp server externally, so I would like to disable the external interface without completely removing the service (kinda like running MySQL locally). How would I do that? I can't seem to find anything useful on Google |
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| 11:06.15 | bolt-work | illio: i thought accepting only internal connections was the default. it's in the config file for exim anyway |
| 11:06.26 | bolt-work | illio: or you can block it with iptables |
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| 11:20.22 | Vecam | hello, how can I revers grep way, I want every line that doesn't has .. 'blah' ? |
| 11:20.34 | bolt-work | Vecam: man grep |
| 11:20.53 | bolt-work | Vecam: -v i think, but learn to read manuals. i even think it's in grep --help |
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| 11:21.30 | Vecam | thanks |
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| 11:22.39 | Vecam | bolt-work, yes it is, -v |
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| 11:22.45 | Vecam | thanks |
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| 11:30.04 | E-bola | Why does aptitude look weird when you run it inside screen? |
| 11:30.08 | E-bola | I have the same issue with other curses programs |
| 11:30.22 | E-bola | random chars are inserted instaid of straight lines etc |
| 11:30.57 | jpinx | Please -- what's the command to reconfigure my screen resolution? |
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| 11:31.09 | alcohol | exit; |
| 11:31.17 | bolt-work | !tell jpinx about drx |
| 11:31.59 | bolt-work | E-bola: locales, usually. probably not using UTF-8 inside screen |
| 11:32.19 | IamSOG | Man! thanksgiving is coming! I have alot of things to send out :O .... aahhh maybe this year I should give Debian disc as gifts >:D |
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| 11:32.19 | bolt-work | kill -9 alcohol |
| 11:32.35 | E-bola | bolt-work: How could i test if thats it? |
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| 11:32.35 | alcohol | :( |
| 11:32.39 | Laeborg | hey |
| 11:32.42 | jpinx | thanks bolt-work - I was asking dpkg for drxx because that's what it tells me. Maybe it's a bug/type in dpkg? |
| 11:32.46 | Laeborg | somebody who knows ovh/kimsufi ? |
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| 11:33.29 | bolt-work | Laeborg: ask your question instead |
| 11:33.39 | jorge_ | anyone can help me about quotas? |
| 11:34.07 | Laeborg | they have some 500gb usb disc's. i ordered one, and it should be active. how do mount it ? |
| 11:34.11 | bolt-work | Laeborg: nobody with experience with foo is going to say "yeah, i know foo" only to realize, after hearing your actual question, that they don't know that particular part of foo anyway |
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| 11:34.19 | sebastian^ | jorge_: don't ask to ask just ask |
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| 11:34.40 | Laeborg | thats right bolt-work |
| 11:34.45 | jorge_ | I asked before |
| 11:34.49 | jorge_ | sorry, I repeat |
| 11:34.49 | jupla | hello, does anyone know packages of Qt Creator for debian etch? |
| 11:35.08 | jorge_ | I want to know if I can set up a limit quote for a individually folder |
| 11:35.29 | themill | jupla: qt designer? |
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| 11:37.40 | E-bola | bolt-work: Thanks, playing around with UTF-8 settings fixed it :) |
| 11:38.01 | mhymn | jupla: they released a binary version of that, it shouldn't be hard to get it to work |
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| 11:40.00 | jupla | themill: no, qt creator, the new IDE Qt released |
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| 11:40.22 | themill | jupla: ahh. I doubt that's been packaged yet. |
| 11:40.38 | jupla | themill: ok, thx |
| 11:40.43 | themill | istr that the source code has yet to be released |
| 11:41.10 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:41.19 | jupla | yup, but they have prepackaged versions on their site but if I try to start it, it says that it needs glibc 2.4 |
| 11:41.58 | themill | jupla: that means you'll need either a lenny installation or a lenny chroot. /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg schroot. |
| 11:42.08 | Posterdati | please I got nvidia with proprietary driver installed (debian lenny for amd64) and I like to change resolution of the console. How can I do? Tx |
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| 11:43.32 | Arafangion | Posterdati: The console is completely independant. |
| 11:43.33 | jupla | themill: can i make such a chroot directory with debootstrap? |
| 11:45.49 | themill | dpkg: tell jupla about schroot |
| 11:46.05 | Arafangion | Posterdati: I can't remember if the default kernel lets you, but you need to boot with the argument vga=ask |
| 11:46.33 | Posterdati | Arafangion: I tried vga=791 but didn't work |
| 11:46.42 | Posterdati | Arafangion: what about framebuffer? |
| 11:47.07 | jupla | themill: thanks! |
| 11:47.29 | Arafangion | Posterdati: I'm not overly familiar with framebuffer, but give vga=ask a go. |
| 11:47.43 | Arafangion | Posterdati: Those numbers are dependant on several factors, if I recall correctly. |
| 11:48.19 | Posterdati | Arafangion: I'll read on howto, tx |
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| 11:49.18 | Laeborg | i have a kimsufi box from ovh, i have just got a 500gb usb disc. how can i "find" this disc and mount it ? |
| 11:49.59 | slicer_ | Laeborg: fdisk -l |
| 11:50.05 | themill | Laeborg: "fdisk -l" doesn't show it? |
| 11:50.35 | Laeborg | Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes |
| 11:50.38 | Laeborg | must be that one |
| 11:50.59 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/d609aad8f |
| 11:51.09 | slicer_ | Laeborg: mkdir /media/whatever |
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| 11:51.40 | slicer_ | Laeborg: what fs is on it ? |
| 11:51.43 | slicer_ | ntfs? |
| 11:51.49 | Laeborg | fat32 i think |
| 11:51.54 | Laeborg | W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 11:51.55 | despen | Laeborg: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 11:52.18 | slicer_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/whatever |
| 11:52.31 | slicer_ | i always mount in media coz it shows on the dektop |
| 11:52.52 | Laeborg | http://pastebin.com/d1fd42979 |
| 11:53.01 | Laeborg | i use xfce4 |
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| 11:53.53 | slicer_ | Laeborg: it may be ntfs |
| 11:54.16 | jelly | Laeborg: what does "blkid | grep sda" (as root) say? |
| 11:54.29 | _PeaceMaker | mount -t auto /dev/sda /media/whatever ? |
| 11:54.40 | Laeborg | /dev/sda1: LABEL="Elements" UUID="932B-853A" TYPE="vfat" |
| 11:54.45 | jelly | _PeaceMaker, slicer_: it won't be "sda" |
| 11:54.51 | petemc | if mount cant work out the fs, does adding auto ever help? |
| 11:55.11 | slicer_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/whatever |
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| 11:55.27 | jelly | Laeborg: so, you have a vfat partition od /dev/sda1. |
| 11:55.35 | _PeaceMaker | forgot the "1", must be sda1 |
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| 11:56.18 | jelly | Laeborg: suggested course of action: archive the original software found on the partition somewhere, reformat to a decent fs |
| 11:56.30 | _PeaceMaker | Laeborg: is it still readable under windows? |
| 11:56.43 | _PeaceMaker | Laeborg: maybe corrupt fat |
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| 11:56.47 | Laeborg | don't know. i only have debian |
| 11:56.51 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:57.33 | slicer_ | i dont like using vfat under linux, not unless i have a windows to format thedrive :) |
| 11:57.35 | dutch | is so happy that there's a guru channel...cuz he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground about linux :) |
| 11:58.12 | jelly | slicer_: mkdosfs formatted vfat is ok in xp |
| 11:58.22 | _PeaceMaker | Laeborg: do u have data stored on it you need? |
| 11:58.30 | Laeborg | no |
| 11:58.31 | jelly | slicer_: and this one comes already formatted |
| 11:58.37 | Laeborg | just ordered from ovh |
| 11:58.58 | slicer_ | jelly: i'll try that next time, i always had data corruption |
| 11:59.11 | jelly | Laeborg: does "mount /dev/sda1 /some/existing/dir" work, or not? |
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| 11:59.37 | Laeborg | no it doesn't |
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| 12:00.04 | slicer_ | Laeborg: it sounds silly but did u create the directory in /media? |
| 12:00.18 | Laeborg | no i created /mnt/usb |
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| 12:00.29 | slicer_ | oh sameol sameol |
| 12:01.00 | slicer_ | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
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| 12:01.24 | slicer_ | then try df -h |
| 12:01.27 | CoolCold | anyone has account on wikipedia? need to fix one article |
| 12:01.40 | Laeborg | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb - doesn't work |
| 12:01.47 | slicer_ | error? |
| 12:01.55 | Laeborg | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 12:02.10 | Laeborg | we can also just format the disc and change fs ? |
| 12:02.20 | CoolCold | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key if someone interested in |
| 12:02.29 | CoolCold | it should be "w" key |
| 12:02.32 | slicer_ | but it's already got an fs |
| 12:02.33 | CoolCold | added, i mean |
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| 12:03.00 | slicer_ | Laeborg: what does df -h say? |
| 12:03.17 | Laeborg | it does not show /dev/sda1 |
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| 12:04.08 | _PeaceMaker | slicer_: perhaps he should set up partition new using parted and format hdd after that? |
| 12:04.32 | slicer_ | yeah |
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| 12:08.08 | _PeaceMaker | Laeborg: do you want to use the hdd with just one large partition? |
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| 12:09.56 | ktwilight_ | is it possible to list recent installed packages using dpkg? |
| 12:10.16 | ktwilight_ | not sure if dpkg stores date of installation. i dont' think it does though. |
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| 12:11.29 | chairmeleon | are there any tools to 'livify' a running debian system? i.e, make a fairly exact copy of the running system that will be bootable or at least installable? |
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| 12:14.05 | _PeaceMaker | ktwilight: already tried aptitude? is it installed on your system? |
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| 12:16.25 | _PeaceMaker | all: i've got to go. bye all |
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| 12:17.51 | kantor | hi |
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| 12:18.11 | lupav | hello, after a dist-upgrade (testing) initrd can't probe the hard disk. i tried to create again the initrd but i still get the same result. |
| 12:18.41 | kantor | could somebody estimate approximately when would be Lenny released ? |
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| 12:20.22 | drazak | when it's not broken |
| 12:20.34 | petemc | roughly when all the bugs are sorted |
| 12:20.52 | lupav | is well known this bug of initrd? |
| 12:20.58 | lupav | looks like update-initramfs |
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| 12:29.31 | TuomasT | I've been using Gentoo desktop for years. Now I would like to find a distro that a) Doesn't require me to manually configure kernel at all b) mouse, printers, scanners etc. work out of box, everything (supported by kernel) is plug and play. Would Debian be suitable? |
| 12:30.14 | petemc | ubuntu probably has more stuff working out of the box |
| 12:30.46 | TuomasT | I guess I should try it. I dislike the Ubunty theme though |
| 12:30.51 | maligor | but you might find ubuntu annoying |
| 12:31.06 | maligor | there are some things you give up with the fancy automation |
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| 12:32.01 | TuomasT | maligor: What is the strong points of Debian? |
| 12:32.03 | TuomasT | is/are |
| 12:32.07 | petemc | !why debian |
| 12:32.07 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 12:33.14 | Tenkawa | morning all |
| 12:33.39 | maligor | TuomasT, I just find it extremely practical |
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| 12:34.26 | TuomasT | Well I think the "Why Debian" page wasn't that great. It was more like "Why linux page" |
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| 12:34.55 | petemc | not really |
| 12:35.02 | DGnome | TuomasT: the packaging system and stability is what rocks with debian |
| 12:35.13 | petemc | the packaging system, easy upgrades, bts are all debian specific |
| 12:35.44 | petemc | TuomasT: of course, the only real way to know is try it yourself |
| 12:35.53 | slicer_ | TuomasT: i tried them all, but i'm using debby :) |
| 12:36.04 | maligor | TuomasT, the debian kernels have almost anything in a module and are quite usable |
| 12:36.25 | maligor | I prefer to build my own kernels since I do some manual patching too tho |
| 12:36.40 | Tenkawa | uses debian 99% exclusively |
| 12:36.49 | Tenkawa | maligor: greetings |
| 12:37.12 | maligor | Tenkawa, hey |
| 12:37.18 | DGnome | TuomasT: only thing that debian lacks out of the box is layer7 patches for kernel and iptables :) |
| 12:37.56 | kantor | TuomasT, me too, I tried a lot of distributions, but debian was the best and is the best for me |
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| 12:39.29 | kantor | after all until you use any kind of Linux distribution is ok, just don't use windows ! |
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| 12:39.51 | maligor | beats me why some people are so hot about windows :P |
| 12:40.16 | petemc | with the exception of vista, windows works ok |
| 12:40.17 | TuomasT | On Gentoo if I buy I new scanner/printer and lets assume kernel has everything needed ready, then I usually have to google though long wikis and troubleshootings to get everything up and working, would Debian improve on that? (Like not having to configure /etc/ files manually..) |
| 12:40.26 | slicer_ | vista aint too bad ;) |
| 12:40.45 | maligor | TuomasT, research first, buy then |
| 12:41.02 | maligor | scanner/printer mfgs don't usually play nice with linux |
| 12:41.17 | maligor | easiest choice is probably a ps/ethernet printer :P |
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| 12:41.28 | TuomasT | At least after Gentoo desktop experience, I have to say Windows does have it strong points. Mainly that installing new hardware doesn't involve lenghty software configuration/installation procedures |
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| 12:41.54 | DGnome | TuomasT: as long as the scanner has a kernel driver, it will work out of the box |
| 12:41.57 | maligor | I think hp does write their own driver tho.. or some sort of connection |
| 12:42.20 | maligor | the hplip driver |
| 12:42.24 | Tenkawa | Any of you listen to Nightwish |
| 12:42.25 | Tenkawa | ? |
| 12:42.33 | TuomasT | DGnome: Well in my case my USB printers depends on HPLIP driver and installing that was a LOT of work |
| 12:42.38 | slicer_ | Tenkawa: no but i might what genre? |
| 12:42.47 | Tenkawa | slicer_: symphonic metal |
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| 12:42.55 | Tenkawa | they are based in Finland I think |
| 12:42.58 | slicer_ | might try it |
| 12:42.58 | DGnome | TuomasT: there is a hplip package that provides a driver for cups |
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| 12:43.02 | Tenkawa | Finland or Sweden |
| 12:43.09 | Tenkawa | can never remember which |
| 12:43.12 | DGnome | TuomasT: printers work really nice via cups on debian |
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| 12:43.21 | TuomasT | DGnome: So after I install that package in Debian the printer/scanner just works? |
| 12:43.27 | DGnome | TuomasT: as long as the printer is not from the cheapest type |
| 12:43.34 | slicer_ | some good stuuf coming out of sweden, and finland or those parts. i like looptroop |
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| 12:43.48 | DGnome | TuomasT: basically, it is good to do some research first |
| 12:43.52 | Tenkawa | TuomasT: go to google and put in the model # and linux |
| 12:43.54 | maligor | TuomasT, that would also rather depend on the debian version and how old the printer is |
| 12:44.00 | Tenkawa | see if you get any hits first |
| 12:44.06 | TuomasT | DGnome: What I am hoping to not have to do any pointless research for these kind of things.. |
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| 12:44.07 | maligor | debian doesn't do anything except security updates for stable releases |
| 12:44.30 | maligor | hplip in unstable is probably the latest version or very nearly so |
| 12:44.43 | DGnome | TuomasT: pointless? You cant expect all hardware to have a working Linux kernel driver |
| 12:44.46 | maligor | and testing is somewhere between |
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| 12:45.01 | slicer_ | i used gentoo once, and i have put it dow to a bad experience. whats the point it isn't worth the extra few % |
| 12:45.03 | TuomasT | DGnome: For example in Windows I just plug hardware in and it works. That is what I mean |
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| 12:45.22 | DGnome | TuomasT: same here, as long as it's supported. |
| 12:45.48 | kantor | petemc, maligor it is abut software freedom, now about how windows works (in my opinion) |
| 12:45.57 | DGnome | Adding a printer in cups is actually easier than making the bloody HP drivers work on linux |
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| 12:46.47 | chairmeleon | could anyone help me in making a bootable/installable live cd of my running debian system? |
| 12:46.55 | TuomasT | DGnome: To that I agree 100%. Installing HPLIP on Gentoo was pain, which is why I started looking into other distros in the first place.. |
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| 12:47.31 | maligor | as for research, http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi has a extensive list :P |
| 12:48.06 | DGnome | TuomasT: oh sorry, I meant windows |
| 12:48.28 | TuomasT | Then to that I disagree 95% :) |
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| 12:48.34 | redduck666 | http://rafb.net/p/Bc5dXk38.html any ideas how do i get spawn-fcgi to chroot? |
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| 12:48.42 | Emmanuel_Chanel | hi |
| 12:48.49 | maligor | heh, yeah, every printer in windows has a different gui |
| 12:48.51 | DGnome | TuomasT: and yes, hplip comes in a package, just install it and configure yout printer in cups, no fuckups |
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| 12:49.18 | DGnome | TuomasT: printers and windows is a fucking nightmare imho |
| 12:49.30 | DGnome | TuomasT: no centralised management |
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| 12:49.43 | petemc | kantor: not in the real world its not, but whatever |
| 12:49.45 | DGnome | TuomasT: all drivers have their own GUIs |
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| 12:50.10 | TuomasT | DGnome: Makes little difference for personal desktop usage |
| 12:50.35 | DGnome | TuomasT: I'm still annoyed by HP windows drivers |
| 12:50.37 | DGnome | :) |
| 12:50.40 | kantor | petemc, yes, I know but for me it is all about software freedom, for companies is another story |
| 12:50.48 | Emmanuel_Chanel | When is lenny going to be released as the stable? |
| 12:51.25 | slicer_ | Emmanuel_Chanel: who knows, maybe another 3 months |
| 12:51.27 | DGnome | TuomasT: but still, as long as the hplip-driver in debian supports the printer in question, it's pretty much plug-in, install cups and hplip and then add a printer |
| 12:51.28 | maligor | Emmanuel_Chanel, when it runs out of release critical bugs afaik |
| 12:51.35 | kantor | petemc, but we can't forget that there are big companies built around open source support and such things |
| 12:52.09 | petemc | kantor: you're not telling me anything i dont already know, i was just responding to your point that "its all about free software" |
| 12:52.27 | enouf | pay me, or shut up .. how's that? :-P |
| 12:53.06 | maligor | shameless corruption |
| 12:53.13 | TuomasT | DGnome: Well that is what I am looking for. In my case it was more of "install hplip from portage and then troubleshoot for 12 hours" and even so I didn't get everything working for a normal user. |
| 12:53.14 | DGnome | TuomasT: anyway, Debian is the way to fly, I'd never manage my job as a developer and administrator if it werent for debian |
| 12:53.17 | kantor | petemc, ok, but I specified that "its all about free software" for me personally |
| 12:53.21 | petemc | gotcha |
| 12:53.58 | DGnome | TuomasT: and I can recommend the testing-release for desktop use |
| 12:53.58 | slicer_ | for me its the look and feel, windows looks shit |
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| 12:54.40 | slicer_ | even vista looks bad imho |
| 12:55.03 | slicer_ | it's only the desklets keeping me there |
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| 12:55.28 | enouf | prefers babettes ;-) |
| 12:55.34 | maligor | windows 7 looks like kde4 but being OT I'll just shutup |
| 12:56.08 | DGnome | I'm looking forward to finding out how much more of a pain Windows7 is compared to Debian :) |
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| 12:56.19 | slicer_ | windows 7, the 7 of the deadly sins vengence |
| 12:56.37 | DGnome | wonder if there will be software raid in windows |
| 12:56.39 | slicer_ | windows vengence |
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| 12:56.46 | DGnome | windows 7... |
| 12:57.48 | DGnome | I couldn't use an operating system that does not support software raid, even if it is the home-version for n00bs and dummies |
| 12:57.50 | hanibana | Hi my good friends... I want to find out what "dial-up external modems with USB interface" are there that are supported by Debian etch without problem. |
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| 12:58.20 | NuMaStresa | hi |
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| 12:58.41 | NuMaStresa | I'm currently running debian etch , but I'm not very pleased by the the fonts look |
| 12:58.53 | atul | Hi all, When am trying to install some package it is giving me this error How to resolve. "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 12:58.59 | NuMaStresa | any idea how can I make the fonts look better ? I have a dell inspiron 1501 |
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| 12:59.03 | NuMaStresa | notebook ... |
| 12:59.40 | hanibana | any idea... |
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| 13:00.28 | suwro | hello |
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| 13:01.20 | enouf | NuMaStresa: i blame ugly fonts on gtk :-P |
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| 13:01.21 | suwro | I have a client that use [] in folders name - ex: [site] or &images =post= samd - is this safe or not? rsinc seems to complain about rights - even if the files below [] folders are 755 |
| 13:01.35 | NuMaStresa | :) |
| 13:01.42 | suwro | rsync err: rsync: recv_generator: failed to stat "/www/virtual/thedomain/htdocs/[site]/&resources/swf/video/laura-estetica.flv" (in server2): Permission denied (13) |
| 13:02.00 | suwro | the files can be seen on http and rsync run in cron as root. |
| 13:03.25 | joltcan | suwro: Well, just because you can see the files in the dir doesn't mean you have read access to the file in the dir |
| 13:04.02 | enouf | NuMaStresa: there is the msttfontcore pkg, but i don't think the full pkg is working, "apt-cache show ttf-mscorefonts-installer msttfcorefonts" or something, the "-installer" thing is broken last i looked (just trying to help someone else). And note, Etch uses msttcorefonts, which the -installer pkg supersedes (in Lenny/Sid) IINM |
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| 13:04.21 | NuMaStresa | thanks for the tips |
| 13:04.50 | NuMaStresa | do you think it's a good ideea to try and install the truetype engine from source ? |
| 13:05.08 | enouf | NuMaStresa: ahhh, do "/msg dpkg msttcorefonts" |
| 13:05.32 | enouf | NuMaStresa: hrm .. dunno - are you on etch? |
| 13:05.36 | NuMaStresa | yes |
| 13:05.55 | enouf | well, "/msg dpkg backports" as well then ;-) |
| 13:06.00 | NuMaStresa | thanks |
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| 13:08.06 | enouf | maybe the fugliness comes from things like wxwidgets and crap .. i don't know, but xfontsel reminds me of chicken scratch :-p |
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| 13:13.32 | milligan_ | I'm having a problem with pptpd . I can connect to the server, but there is given no route (I want to use the VPN server as a gateway). I can't ping the server I connect to, and it just doesn't seem to work (apart from the accepted connection). Any ideas? |
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| 13:17.02 | sandman | SO apparently HDD's incorporate the hamming code now, thus rendering RAID2 completely pointless |
| 13:17.51 | sandman | Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems that HDD's are a lot more complicated than I had originally thought. |
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| 13:18.50 | sandman | Now I'm wondering: If a HDD discovers that some data was written badly, will it attempt to rewrite that data to te same data block as a test as to whether or not it's really bad? And then if it is, mark it bad and write the data to a different block? |
| 13:19.20 | sandman | And if that happens, then surely it must somehow tell the controller about it, so that it may propagate that to the other disk(s) in a RAID array... |
| 13:19.31 | sandman | Or perhaps I should just pull apart the Linux source and look around |
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| 13:24.58 | jelly | sandman: it you're talking about an ATA disk, it mostly quietly reassigns the sector to some other place, and makes a note of it in some SMART variable |
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| 13:26.07 | jelly | sandman: if it can't read the data at all, I _think_ it propagates the error back to the controller (... driver ... OS) |
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| 13:28.23 | NuMaStresa_ | hi ... I'm running debian stable (etch) |
| 13:28.29 | lawnchair | ill call cnn |
| 13:28.40 | NuMaStresa_ | any ideas how can I upgrade to testing ? ... it is ok to change etch with lenny in apt sources ? |
| 13:29.04 | petemc | NuMaStresa_: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 13:29.11 | NuMaStresa_ | thanks\ |
| 13:29.15 | petemc | np |
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| 13:30.37 | NuMaStresa_ | I'm looking for a sample sources.list |
| 13:30.50 | enasmith | morning all. quick issue. I have all sound.. cd audio and dvd plays sound, test sound under preferances works, but no system sounds. can anyone point me in the right direction |
| 13:30.50 | moshii | NuMaStresa_: why? |
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| 13:30.52 | NuMaStresa_ | any ideas were can I find it ? ... I look in /usr/share/apt but didn't found anything |
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| 13:31.10 | DIFH-iceroot | NuMaStresa_: /etc/apt/source.lst |
| 13:31.13 | NuMaStresa_ | I made same changes to the original one and I don't know if it's ok to upgrade based on that |
| 13:31.14 | moshii | enasmith: preferences as in .... ? |
| 13:31.32 | moshii | enasmith: Gnome? KDE?.. |
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| 13:31.44 | enasmith | moshi gnome |
| 13:32.12 | moshii | enasmith: Do you get errors from applications that want output audio? |
| 13:32.39 | enasmith | no. everthing plays fine except the default system sounds. |
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| 13:33.10 | moshii | enasmith: so sound comes out of the applications but the system sounds dont work? |
| 13:33.57 | enasmith | moshii. that is correct |
| 13:34.02 | Tenkawa | sounds like the esd or whatever gnome/gtk uses to route system sounds isnt running |
| 13:34.07 | Rounin | Hello... Could I ask you what version of the madwifi HAL is in available in Debian testing? That is, is it later than 0.10.5.6, so that it supports Atheros cards? |
| 13:34.20 | Tenkawa | been so long since I used a gui desktop in linux |
| 13:34.36 | moshii | enasmith: What tenkawa said, or maybe some application is locking the hardware for itself |
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| 13:35.14 | moshii | Rounin: madwifi is only for Atheros cards afaik |
| 13:35.24 | Rounin | Oh really! Well, then AR5007EG, anyway |
| 13:35.49 | jpinx | I need to upgrade to etchnhalf to make ntfs-3g work. Never done a kernel upgrade before. what do I do? |
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| 13:36.27 | moshii | Rounin: I know that previously working Atheros wifi in my macbook stopped working with the madwifi stuff in testing a few weeks ago, so new isnt always good ;) |
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| 13:37.06 | Rounin | Ouch... THanks for the warning, moshii |
| 13:37.26 | jpinx | help? ^^ |
| 13:37.37 | Rounin | I just need a break from working on some assignments today, so I figured I might install Linux, haha |
| 13:37.52 | Rounin | Changing OSes can be sort of cathartic |
| 13:37.54 | moshii | Rounin: You should google and see if ath5k works with your chipset first, it's in the kernel |
| 13:38.03 | moshii | Rounin: and doesnt need the non-free bits iirc |
| 13:38.38 | moshii | jpinx: just upgrade the kernel, the old one should be left there just in case the new one doesnt work |
| 13:38.43 | Rounin | Ah yes, but this particular card has been a problem for a long time... It only worked with the svn version of the HAL |
| 13:39.30 | jpinx | moshii: ok - how to actually upgrade a kernel? |
| 13:39.30 | moshii | Rounin: the version in testing is something+r3772 |
| 13:40.24 | moshii | jpinx: install the right linux-image for your box, you should also install the dummy linux-image-$arch package to pull in the latest kernel automagically |
| 13:41.02 | jpinx | is totally lost |
| 13:41.15 | moshii | jpinx: apt-cache search linux-imag |
| 13:41.18 | moshii | jpinx: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 13:41.18 | jpinx | moshii: if I can't do apt-get install something |
| 13:41.40 | Rounin | Ah, apparently it does work for ath5k, even if it's somewhat slow... Thanks again, moshii |
| 13:43.29 | tuxcrafter | got his calander server running |
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| 13:44.37 | jpinx | moshii: I have a PIII 500Mhz - is linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 right for me? |
| 13:45.26 | Vecam | hello, I'm looking for loadbalancing technique for a gateway server that has to WAN nics .. is it possible ? |
| 13:45.39 | dubi | does anyone know how to automatically change the title of the tab in gnome terminal to the last command entered? |
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| 13:46.32 | enouf | dubi: maybe there's a setting in gconf-editor for that (somehwere) |
| 13:47.01 | enouf | dubi: could try the #gnome channels on irc.gnome.org as well - or google ;-) |
| 13:47.29 | enouf | Vecam: sure it is |
| 13:47.29 | dubi | ok enouf thanks |
| 13:47.38 | jpinx | when I am upgrading the kernel is it "apt-get install" or "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 13:47.44 | enouf | Vecam: see lartc.org, and many other refs |
| 13:47.59 | enouf | jpinx: man apt ;-) |
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| 13:48.25 | enouf | jpinx: it will always grab the newest pkg, you want to run apt-get update prior |
| 13:48.32 | Vecam | enouf, thank you |
| 13:49.12 | enouf | Vecam: debian-administration.org might also have some nice articles |
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| 13:49.34 | Vecam | enouf, thanks again :) |
| 13:49.35 | anilg | How can i tell dpkg -r <package> to not run the prerm and postrm files.. and just go ahead and remove the files? |
| 13:49.51 | anilg | man page didnt show anything |
| 13:50.04 | enouf | anilg: dpkg -P ? |
| 13:50.09 | jpinx | enouf: I'm trying to upgrade to etchnhalf |
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| 13:50.20 | enouf | anilg: but .. why what's wrong? |
| 13:50.21 | anilg | that will still run the prerm postrm scripts |
| 13:50.27 | enouf | so what |
| 13:50.36 | anilg | prerm is failing.. so the package simply wont uninstall |
| 13:50.38 | enouf | you think you know better than dpkg? |
| 13:50.46 | enouf | so - there are ways around that |
| 13:51.01 | enouf | jpinx: that's nice |
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| 13:51.25 | enouf | Vecam: heck, even see gentoo-wiki.com |
| 13:51.46 | anilg | enouf: yes |
| 13:51.48 | enouf | </blasphemy> |
| 13:51.54 | anilg | atleast gimme an option |
| 13:52.06 | anilg | this is on a development machine.. |
| 13:52.08 | emma | !whyaptitude |
| 13:52.21 | anilg | and inside a zone :) so i dont care if things get horribly screwed |
| 13:52.22 | enouf | emma: add a space |
| 13:52.22 | emma | how do i get dpkg to tell me why aptitutde is better? |
| 13:52.28 | emma | !why aptitude |
| 13:52.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 13:52.33 | enouf | and /msg the bot emma |
| 13:52.38 | anilg | i'm one command away from a prestine enviromnment |
| 13:52.46 | anilg | pristine env * |
| 13:52.48 | enouf | anilg: 'exit 0' |
| 13:52.53 | enouf | </hint> |
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| 13:53.15 | jpinx | enouf: where's the idiots guide to upgrading to etchnhalf please? |
| 13:53.25 | anilg | yes.. i figured that... but dpkg should have given me an option somewhere |
| 13:53.49 | stew | jpinx: upgrading from what? from etch? |
| 13:53.57 | enouf | jpinx: as long as you have security.debian.org (and regular official mirrors) and run apt-get update |
| 13:54.00 | jpinx | stew - yes |
| 13:54.21 | stew | jpinx: "aptitude upgrade" and maybe "aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-something" |
| 13:54.23 | abrotman | jpinx: i told you last week .. aptitude search etchnhalf |
| 13:54.28 | jpinx | I've got regular security and did update |
| 13:54.48 | anilg | ah.. over at #ubuntu-devel i got the suggestion to remove the files from  /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 13:54.52 | anilg | that will work :) |
| 13:54.54 | enouf | then, proceeding with an upgrade will do |
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| 13:55.05 | abrotman | why are we asking here and #ubuntu-devel ? |
| 13:55.08 | jpinx | looks for last weeks logs...... |
| 13:55.10 | Yatmai | Hello |
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| 13:55.28 | enouf | anilg: that's just plain silly, if not stupid, but suit yourself |
| 13:56.04 | anilg | Well its my changes to these scripts in the first place that caused the issues.. so i think it'll be fine :) |
| 13:56.14 | enouf | ... |
| 13:56.42 | enouf | "hi, i broke my pkg management .. but i won't tell you how - now, tell me how to fix it" |
| 13:56.57 | abrotman | and it's ubuntu ? |
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| 13:57.21 | enouf | i don't know |
| 13:57.22 | Yatmai | I have a problem. I've installed php5 and some php5-***, then I removed them and deleted /etc/php5/*, now when I want to install php5 and it's modules, apt doesn't create /etc/php5/... conf's, it's just install /usr/.... files |
| 13:57.43 | moshii | Yatmai: remove with purge and reinstall |
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| 13:57.45 | Yatmai | how can I force apt to recreate conf files in /etc/php5 ? |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | !tell Yatmai about confmiss |
| 13:58.42 | anilg | thanks all.. i got things running again |
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| 13:59.16 | Yatmai | abrotman: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 13:59.33 | moshii | Yatmai: do you have php5-cgi installed? |
| 13:59.36 | abrotman | did you use what the bot told you ? |
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| 14:00.11 | enouf | Yatmai: pastebin command + output + errors to pastebin when doing things like this |
| 14:00.39 | Yatmai | moshii: yes |
| 14:00.48 | Yatmai | abrotman: yes, thanks :) |
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| 14:01.52 | ingo86 | hi all |
| 14:02.15 | enouf | jpinx: fwiw, if you did what i mentioned (just before i mentioned then, proceed with an upgrade) and you had run apt-cache search linux-image | grep 24 you should've seen .24 kernels listed, if not, then likely you are missing the linux-image-2.6-ARCH metapackage (is my guess) |
| 14:02.45 | ingo86 | is there a way to start the computer on the konsole instead of x11? |
| 14:02.56 | ingo86 | i need a grub options |
| 14:03.11 | enouf | ingo86: wait, what? konsole is kde's xterm |
| 14:03.39 | ingo86 | enouf: i mean command line |
| 14:03.43 | DIFH-iceroot | enouf: he means a runlevel without x-server so start |
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| 14:03.46 | enouf | ingo86: set a timeout 30 or similar in your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | console |
| 14:03.50 | abrotman | !tell ingo86 about nodm |
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| 14:03.58 | enouf | then you can boot intot the menu and edit it using 'e' |
| 14:04.06 | ingo86 | enouf: wait wait |
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| 14:04.22 | jogla | i just killed my 'debian-sys-maintainer' user mysql |
| 14:04.27 | enouf | do you want only single mode? |
| 14:04.31 | jogla | now /etc/init.d is complaining |
| 14:04.34 | jpinx | enouf: thanks - I'm currently running aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 14:04.34 | abrotman | enouf: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 14:04.35 | enouf | then use the recovery option |
| 14:04.43 | abrotman | jpinx: i'd install the metapackage |
| 14:05.42 | ingo86 | enouf: i have only grub, the system starts but when i reach the login i can't use the keyboard |
| 14:05.43 | enouf | !tell abrotman -about stfu you weenie ;-) |
| 14:05.43 | jpinx | wonders what a metapackage is |
| 14:05.43 | abrotman | enouf: then answer his question ? |
| 14:05.43 | DIFH-iceroot | enouf: he want to start debian without x-server, just the shell, something like init3 instead of init 5 |
| 14:05.43 | enouf | abrotman: i did |
| 14:05.43 | abrotman | jpinx: linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
| 14:05.48 | sandman | So it would seem that RAID is only really useful for uptime. |
| 14:05.54 | sandman | Not necessarily data integrity. |
| 14:05.58 | enouf | !tell abrotman to tell DIFH-iceroot to answer his question |
| 14:06.01 | Yatmai | abrotman: it still not replacing confs :( |
| 14:06.04 | ingo86 | enouf: mouse is working, but keyboard not, it is working only into grub screen |
| 14:06.12 | abrotman | enouf: stop already |
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| 14:06.19 | jpinx | abrotman: ok thanks - can you add that to dpkg for idiots like me please? |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | jpinx: why? it should be obvious |
| 14:06.37 | enouf | DIFH-iceroot: direct your responses to the intended target if you think it will help them, thanks |
| 14:06.50 | jpinx | nothing is obvious to idiots like me |
| 14:07.03 | DIFH-iceroot | enouf: i dont know the answer exactly but i see that you dont know what he wants |
| 14:07.15 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 14:07.15 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 14:07.20 | jpinx | this is the reason linux doesn't "take off" as an operating system |
| 14:07.24 | enouf | DIFH-iceroot: misunderstandings occur all the time on irc - nothing new there |
| 14:07.29 | abrotman | jpinx: you're making it hard .. |
| 14:08.23 | enouf | ingo86: sound like you have a usb keyboard issue |
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| 14:08.41 | jpinx | abrotman: there is nothing in my desktop window to tell me how to do this stuff |
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| 14:08.51 | eshaase | how can i the compare the contents of two directorie? |
| 14:08.55 | abrotman | jpinx: and why did you need etchnhalf ? |
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| 14:09.11 | enouf | ingo86: could try toggling the Legacy USB support options in the BIOS - or grab a ps/2 keyboard, or like me, use Adapters ;-) |
| 14:09.15 | stew | eshaase: with diff |
| 14:09.43 | jpinx | abrotman: ntfs-3g needs a morerecent kernel than is in etch |
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| 14:10.03 | abrotman | jpinx: that's not true |
| 14:10.16 | abrotman | and i won't even ask why you needed ntfs-3g |
| 14:10.17 | eshaase | stew: diff works well with binary files? |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | eshaase: diff can compare two directory contents |
| 14:10.31 | stew | eshaase: no, it doesn't |
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| 14:10.55 | jpinx | abrotman: I want to mount a ntfs partition rw |
| 14:11.04 | abrotman | and you still didn't need etchnhalf |
| 14:11.07 | jpinx | abrotman: that's where it all started |
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| 14:11.09 | abrotman | erm .. an etchnhalf kernel |
| 14:11.33 | enouf | DIFH-iceroot: if you'd like to know about how debian uses it's runlevels as opposed to RH and other sysv variants, feel free to /msg dpkg runlevels, /msg dpkg reference, /msg dpkg sysvinit etc etc .. read /etc/inittab even |
| 14:11.40 | abrotman | and if MS would simply publish technical documentation to make an open driver, it wouldn't be a problem at all .. so blame them |
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| 14:12.20 | DIFH-iceroot | enouf: thx, i will never use debian with x-server but interessting to know |
| 14:12.40 | enouf | np |
| 14:12.42 | eshaase | so waht should i be using for diffing binary files |
| 14:13.26 | jpinx | abrotman: I've installed the etchnhalf kernel and ntfs-3g now works and I can write to my ntfs partition - problme solved thanks to help from you guys:D |
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| 14:13.38 | abrotman | jpinx: you could have done that without changing kernels |
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| 14:13.48 | jpinx | abrotman: how? |
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| 14:14.14 | jpinx | I still say that this is the reason linux is not beating windows - not idiot proof |
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| 14:14.27 | abrotman | jpinx: blame MS for making a closed filesystem, not linux |
| 14:14.52 | jpinx | is not blaming anyone - just observing the situation |
| 14:14.53 | abrotman | and if all your filesystems were ext3, there'd be no problem |
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| 14:15.13 | abrotman | jpinx: but your analysis is fundamentally flawed |
| 14:15.29 | jpinx | abrotman: that's not telling me how I could have mounted an ntfs partition rw without upgrading the kernel |
| 14:15.31 | Gnurdux | Here is the point: people say "Linux doesn't work perfectly with Windows, thus Linux sucks" |
| 14:15.49 | Gnurdux | You could just as easily say "Windows doesn't work perfectly with Linux, thus Windows sucks" |
| 14:15.54 | Gnurdux | but you don't |
| 14:16.07 | abrotman | jpinx: and i'm not going to bother .. you've got it working, what's the point |
| 14:16.09 | Gnurdux | so you're holding Linux to a different standard than Windows because its not the mainstream |
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| 14:16.23 | jpinx | abrotman: que malo eres |
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| 14:16.27 | Gnurdux | which you can argue makes sense, or you can argue doesn't make sense |
| 14:16.43 | dpecka | hi all .. second time crashes my debian server on sparc |
| 14:16.46 | jpinx | Gnurdux: are you aiming this at me? |
| 14:16.48 | abrotman | jpinx: exactly |
| 14:16.50 | Gnurdux | yep :) |
| 14:16.56 | ingo86 | enouf: nothing with legacy usb disabled |
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| 14:17.18 | jpinx | ok - let's go to debian-offtopic before abrotman breaks his own rules.....:p |
| 14:17.21 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 14:17.30 | dpecka | Nov 3 13:52:35 SunDeb01 kernel: Free swap = 193904kB |
| 14:17.30 | dpecka | Nov 3 13:52:35 SunDeb01 kernel: Total swap = 441768kB |
| 14:17.30 | dpecka | Nov 3 13:52:35 SunDeb01 kernel: Free swap: 193904kB |
| 14:17.30 | dpecka | Nov 3 13:52:35 SunDeb01 kernel: 31886 pages of RAM |
| 14:17.31 | dpecka | Nov 3 13:52:35 SunDeb01 kernel: 0 free pages |
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| 14:17.39 | Gnurdux | nah I don't have anything left to say that can' |
| 14:17.50 | abrotman | jpinx: it's not wrong .. you've got it working .. no point in my trying to get you to go another route now |
| 14:17.55 | enouf | ingo86: i said toggle it ;-) meaning if it's on, turn it off, and vice-versa |
| 14:17.55 | ingo86 | enouf: seems so stupid, but i only need to reach command line from grub without starting X |
| 14:18.00 | Gnurdux | 't be rebutted |
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| 14:18.03 | enouf | ingo86: exit saving changes |
| 14:18.13 | dpecka | ^^ huh .. kicked for 5 lines :D |
| 14:18.23 | ingo86 | enouf: it was on, i disable it, then re-enable |
| 14:18.27 | enouf | ingo86: many things are stupid, even things that don't seem it |
| 14:18.39 | dpecka | but yep .. this is critical moment from syslog |
| 14:18.42 | enouf | ingo86: so, Disable it .. or try the other two options |
| 14:18.55 | enouf | that i suggested |
| 14:19.18 | ingo86 | i have already tried without usb2 support and many other combination |
| 14:19.38 | ingo86 | other that what you suggest |
| 14:20.04 | ingo86 | but i don't need the keyboard to be working, i need the command line without launching x |
| 14:20.15 | AntiLiberal | I have the solution to linux security problems relating to having the root password snarfed by a compromised user account |
| 14:20.34 | AntiLiberal | A feature will be added to Xorg so that a script runs when pressing ctrl+alt+del |
| 14:21.04 | AntiLiberal | It will bring up an xterm that is running as a special user or root |
| 14:21.11 | enouf | ingo86: oh, so you don't care if the keyboard doesn't work at that stage? |
| 14:21.12 | AntiLiberal | then you can safely enter the root password in to there |
| 14:22.29 | enouf | ingo86: then read the scrollback, i already mentioned how, but others did as well .. and i can think of atleast 1 other way |
| 14:22.32 | ingo86 | enouf: yes, i don't need that |
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| 14:24.41 | tiny | ping enouf |
| 14:24.48 | jogla | what is the standard port for tomcat on debian? |
| 14:24.52 | jogla | i cant' find it |
| 14:24.55 | enouf | tiny: yo yo ma pong! |
| 14:24.58 | enouf | :-) |
| 14:24.59 | tiny | yo yo! |
| 14:25.00 | abrotman | it's in the conf file for tomcat |
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| 14:25.08 | tiny | jogla, use netstat |
| 14:25.32 | jogla | thanks |
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| 14:30.27 | huangfei | hi, why I can't decompress a gzip file that has no extension? |
| 14:30.52 | abrotman | because the file inside has the same name? |
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| 14:32.03 | huangfei | abrotman: I'm not sure, it complains that "cannot decompress onto itself" |
| 14:32.13 | abrotman | so rename the .gz file? |
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| 14:33.13 | huangfei | abrotman: well, to rename is simple, I just want a true solution |
| 14:36.33 | huangfei | abrotman: tks any way, I've found "zcat" can do the job |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | that's one way i suppose :) |
| 14:37.45 | xingu | huangfei: abrotman's totally right; what you can do is gzip -dc <foo >bar |
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| 14:39.05 | huangfei | xingu: oh? use "gzip < file" instead of "gzip file" ? I'll try it |
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| 14:40.39 | enouf | gzip is silly in that way - almost reminds me of windows .. ugh |
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| 14:41.57 | xingu | compression in general is fairly regrettable |
| 14:42.05 | huangfei | xingu: no single word in the man page mentioned the "gzip" can read data from "stdin" |
| 14:42.13 | xingu | heh |
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| 14:42.21 | Tenkawa | so whats the preferred linksys router to get nowadays with 3rd party replaceable hardware? |
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| 14:42.26 | xingu | annoints huangfei with the oil +2 of implied unix-fu |
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| 14:43.49 | smacnay | blacklisting does not seem to work on this machine. I have edited /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and added an appropriate line, then run dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.26-1-686, rebooted, and the unwanted module appears. |
| 14:44.05 | g0rd0n | is there some upgrade instructions for lenny, as there was for etch, or is a dist-upgrade enough? |
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| 14:44.46 | enouf | smacnay: linux-image, not kernel-image |
| 14:45.09 | enouf | smacnay: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686, not kernel-image... |
| 14:45.09 | smacnay | enouf: sorry, that is what I meant - I ran the command alnd all processed. |
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| 14:45.23 | enouf | oh ok - Sarge and earlier ;-) |
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| 14:45.49 | enouf | smacnay: which module? is it from the linux-image pkg? |
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| 14:46.44 | enouf | smacnay: might want to try update-initramfs , but what you did should work .. OH, make sure /etc/modules doesn't contain the unwanted one |
| 14:46.50 | ShredZ | Is there a way to change something to a heartbeat configuration without actually causing a failover by restarting the heartbeat service itself ? |
| 14:46.52 | smacnay | enouf: pcsp in the 2.6.26-1-686 .deb image |
| 14:47.07 | enouf | smacnay: that works - it's snd_pcsp |
| 14:47.11 | enouf | !bell |
| 14:47.12 | dpkg | "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell, or for .26 and newer modprobe -r snd-pcsp, then <blacklist> the snd-pcsp module |
| 14:47.46 | smacnay | enouf: sorry - I did set the snd-pcsp (does it matter if there is a "-" or a "_"? |
| 14:47.51 | enouf | smacnay: and it's NOT from the initrd, so the dpkg-reconfigure nor update-initramfs is not needed |
| 14:47.59 | enouf | IIRC |
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| 14:48.13 | enouf | smacnay: it shouldn't, but try both |
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| 14:48.53 | smacnay | enouf: I will try something else here... brb |
| 14:49.15 | enouf | smacnay: i add that, and others like 'blacklist pcspkr' to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 14:51.07 | enouf | ShredZ: i don;t know what that heartbeat is, but you can use sysctl to alter /proc/sys/ changes on the fly |
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| 14:52.28 | ShredZ | enouf it's a high availability program to failover systems by managing the services |
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| 14:53.34 | enouf | ShredZ: you sound like a typical Marketing Salesperson . haha |
| 14:54.01 | enouf | !framework |
| 14:54.07 | d-b | ShredZ: in other words if it fails it goes over >>>??? |
| 14:55.07 | ShredZ | enouf, I have nothing to do with marketing and/or sales trust me :) |
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| 14:56.41 | enouf | ShredZ: maybe try a career path change? :-) |
| 14:56.46 | enouf | hides |
| 14:57.18 | abrotman | ShredZ: does it have a reload ? |
| 14:57.54 | ShredZ | thanks abrotman it looks like it does |
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| 15:02.22 | smacnay | enouf: The non-elegant way that does work... mv /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/sound/drivers/pcsp/snd-pcsp.ko to ***.ko-bak, stop alsa, reconfigure alsa, restart. |
| 15:02.35 | enouf | ... |
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| 15:03.17 | smacnay | enouf: weird - this all started with the 2.6.26 kernel. I think pcsp grabs the default alsa position and won't release. |
| 15:03.22 | enouf | smacnay: if you read the factoid. it says modprobe -r prior, done |
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| 15:03.36 | enouf | snd_pcsp is new |
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| 15:04.04 | smacnay | enouf: I can remove the module with modprobe -r but my sound will still not work with my default card. |
| 15:04.36 | enouf | not related |
| 15:04.44 | smacnay | enouf: I need to jump through hoops to get it to work... oh. |
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| 15:05.22 | smacnay | enouf: maybe this is a gnome sound issue. I don't know. |
| 15:05.52 | enouf | so .. the issue is you have no sound? |
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| 15:06.31 | smacnay | enouf: is snd_pcsp loads on boot, I don't have sound with my soundcard. I get some strange errors. If snd_pcsp does not load on boot, I have sound. |
| 15:06.38 | mhymn | help, i don't have any idea why the hell the lenny netinstall doesn't boot after installation, here is the menu.lst --> http://pastebin.com/f2b9beb9a p.s. i manually add the line to the my existing grub configuration |
| 15:06.43 | enouf | and you thought snd_pcsp had something to do with it? do lsof | egrep 'arts|esd|flash|pulse' or something as root |
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| 15:07.31 | enouf | smacnay: odd crap - is that etch-backports? lenny?? |
| 15:07.54 | smacnay | I am using "testing" but try not to backport too much |
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| 15:08.18 | enouf | smacnay: soundcard is? |
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| 15:08.25 | enouf | snd-hda-intel? |
| 15:08.28 | smacnay | enouf: there was some stuff listed with the "esd" option you gave me above. |
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| 15:08.51 | smacnay | enouf: snd_via82xx |
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| 15:09.03 | enouf | ouch |
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| 15:09.29 | enouf | smacnay: id look at BTS, and if nothing exists, file a bug |
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| 15:12.15 | smacnay | enouf: seems I need the libesd-alsa0 for a lot of gnome to work (ekiga, etc)... |
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| 15:12.16 | smacnay | enouf: I will look at bts |
| 15:12.16 | abrotman | smacnay: you don't need .. but that allows esound to work via alsa |
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| 15:12.17 | enouf | smacnay: dpkg -l | egrep 'alsa-utils|alsa-oss' and tell me if both are installed |
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| 15:12.17 | smacnay | abrotman: ah, to remove the esd lib would want to remove a lot of apps. |
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| 15:12.18 | smacnay | enouf: ok |
| 15:12.19 | toth_o | hi all |
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| 15:13.03 | smacnay | enouf: alsa-utils is installed... not the alsa-oss |
| 15:13.03 | xingu | I'm wondering if he simply has a binding order issue - that maybe the snd-pcsp is becoming the 0:0 alsa device |
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| 15:13.05 | enouf | smacnay: install that - then ensure snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss are loaded via lsmod |
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| 15:13.05 | smacnay | xingu: that is what I was thinking but not in the right reminology |
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| 15:13.07 | enouf | xingu: i'm with you on that |
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| 15:13.32 | xingu | smacnay: contrast /proc/asound/cards between the working/nonworking case |
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| 15:13.43 | xingu | smacnay: see if cardid 0 goes wandering lonely as a cloud |
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| 15:13.44 | smacnay | enouf: what did I think reminology was - an - terminology |
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| 15:14.04 | Cloud | hi |
| 15:14.07 | Cloud | oh, shoot, nvm |
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| 15:14.38 | enouf | smacnay: fwiw - $ modinfo snd_via82xx shows some interesting parms .. but you should check dmesg too when it's not working vs when it is |
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| 15:15.46 | tuxcrafter | i just installed wget https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/downloads/file/38053/lightning-0.9-tb-linux.xpi but the option to add a calander is greyed out, can somebody confirmn this? |
| 15:15.50 | ma3x | can i convert hex key to passphrase? |
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| 15:16.55 | xingu | ma3x: no; passphrase->key is a trapdoor function |
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| 15:17.27 | ma3x | xingu: so you cna't |
| 15:17.50 | abrotman | or ask #wireless |
| 15:18.26 | tuxcrafter | trying apt-get install iceowl-extensio |
| 15:18.37 | jogla | Why isnt Tomcat 6 in Debian? |
| 15:18.49 | smacnay | enouf: is there a way to totally reset alsa on a machine? |
| 15:18.51 | abrotman | you mean in etch ? |
| 15:18.53 | enouf | xingu: "snd_pcsp ; for silly people who want to pipe music through their pc piezo speaker to make it sound like a $2 am radio" :-P |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | jogla: they may be waiting til after lenny's release |
| 15:19.11 | enouf | smacnay: well, alsaconf to reconfig |
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| 15:19.26 | enouf | smacnay: please tell me you're not on a *buntu |
| 15:19.35 | tuxcrafter | the iceowl extention seem to work |
| 15:19.36 | smacnay | enouf: no - this is Debian |
| 15:19.52 | smacnay | enouf: Linux debian 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Oct 9 15:18:09 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:20.12 | enouf | smacnay: i never bother with the /etc/init.d/alsa* scripts, but restarting them is the only other thing i can think of offhand - besides, dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:20.32 | enouf | smacnay: also, in your DE preferences - tell it to use Alsa as default |
| 15:20.37 | smacnay | enouf: I might try that - forgot about the linux-sound-base command |
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| 15:22.00 | smacnay | enouf: thanks for your help... |
| 15:22.09 | enouf | np ;-) |
| 15:22.27 | enouf | smacnay: follow up, update us |
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| 15:23.26 | smacnay | enouf: I will - I am currently in the "rename unwanted module to something else in kernel tree" phase |
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| 15:24.05 | enouf | smacnay: you really should reverse that, and try other methods - really - since that is such a hack, it's not even funny |
| 15:24.25 | smacnay | enouf: I know but it is the only thing that has worked |
| 15:24.45 | NuMaStresa | any ideas how many packets it needs to upgrade from etch to lenny ? |
| 15:25.02 | NuMaStresa | it's at 946 and still didn't finished |
| 15:25.04 | smacnay | enouf: I had to do the same with the nvidiafb and rivafb modules because they grabbed the card and did not let X start with the nvidia module. |
| 15:25.08 | enouf | NuMaStresa: s/packets/packages |
| 15:25.55 | enouf | smacnay: there are a lot of things i mentioned you have yet to folllow up on, including possible /etc/modules entries |
| 15:26.26 | smacnay | enouf: I have the snd-via82xx listed in etc/modules - nothing else. |
| 15:26.28 | xingu | smacnay: video=nvidiafb:off,rivafb:off |
| 15:26.42 | smacnay | xingu: where do I put that? |
| 15:26.50 | enouf | smacnay: is that a PCIe slot or AGP? |
| 15:26.57 | smacnay | enouf: AGP |
| 15:27.15 | kama | cacca |
| 15:27.29 | mac123 | Hi i have debian etch 64 bit installed i am trying to setup vncserver on it but it just dosent connect it when i use ip:1 it used to work fine when i was with debian 32bit can some hlp me on this |
| 15:27.32 | xingu | smacnay: boot loader kernel command line args (so for grub, append to kopt line then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`) |
| 15:27.39 | enouf | smacnay: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 15:27.42 | smacnay | xingu: thanks |
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| 15:28.06 | smacnay | enouf: root=/dev/mapper/debian-root ro |
| 15:28.21 | kama | scusate non volevo scriverlo in tutti i chan che vado a cacare |
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| 15:28.31 | BubbaT | Hi. I am at long last setting up my ultimate email system. For now I am not going to worry about my mail directory format, but I want to choose a 'safe' one is one that will be easy to convert to something else, Suggestions? |
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| 15:28.52 | BubbaT | s/something/anything/ |
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| 15:29.01 | enouf | smacnay: well, i wonder if just adding vga=791 would make it go away |
| 15:29.17 | enouf | smacnay: but try xingu 's method |
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| 15:29.53 | jogla | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:29.54 | enouf | smacnay: since vga= should load the vesafb and hence, others won't (IINM) |
| 15:30.48 | enouf | smacnay: but sure, confilicts between nvidia X binary blobs and nvidiafs/rivafb (which is old) is well known |
| 15:31.12 | enouf | s/nvidiafs/nvidiafb |
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| 15:31.21 | smacnay | enouf: thanks - I will look for the grub file to edit... been some time since I have had to edit grub by hand... |
| 15:31.42 | d-b | /boot/grub.... |
| 15:31.50 | enouf | sure - look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:31.57 | smacnay | enouf: got it... |
| 15:32.00 | enouf | unless you['re using grub2 |
| 15:32.32 | enouf | smacnay: in the kopt=root= line, do not remove the leading one |
| 15:32.38 | xingu | BubbaT: default is exim(4?) for mta/msa/mda; you might want to look at the reference ipopd/imapd until you know what you want. |
| 15:32.55 | smacnay | enouf: I noticed that all lines had a "#" in front and some had two |
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| 15:33.19 | enouf | smacnay: within the Automagic area - the ## are comments. the # are processed |
| 15:33.50 | enouf | smacnay: read the Heading there ;-) |
| 15:34.05 | smacnay | enouf: vga=791 does what exactly? |
| 15:34.20 | enouf | makes your console 1024x768x16 |
| 15:36.34 | Wesley_ | oh oh |
| 15:36.35 | smacnay | enouf: I still have default console but will it stop the loading of the riva and nvidiafb stuff? Or do I also use xing's recommendation? |
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| 15:36.58 | enouf | smacnay: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html and http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology |
| 15:36.58 | smacnay | enouf: thanks |
| 15:36.58 | enouf | try mine, try his |
| 15:36.59 | enouf | both should not be needed, iinm |
| 15:36.59 | smacnay | enouf: kopt line is comma separated? |
| 15:36.59 | enouf | no .. read the comments above |
| 15:37.00 | enouf | and the examples .. |
| 15:37.02 | smacnay | enouf: ok - I am set - off to read... thanks again. |
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| 15:37.02 | enouf | smacnay: note .. wait |
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| 15:37.39 | enouf | smacnay: the # kopt= line maybe you want to wait on - you can just append to each kernel line down further within the Stanzas |
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| 15:38.19 | enouf | smacnay: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/hdd1 ro vga=791 acpi=force lapic #mine |
| 15:38.30 | smacnay | enouf: under "additional options"? |
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| 15:39.11 | Orbixx-eee | How do I do a dist upgrade? |
| 15:39.12 | smacnay | enouf: oh I see... further down |
| 15:39.18 | enouf | yep |
| 15:39.38 | smacnay | enouf: no commas - just a space between |
| 15:39.45 | enouf | yep |
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| 15:40.27 | smacnay | enouf: acpi - hmm, forgot about the acpi issues. |
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| 15:40.53 | enouf | smacnay: not for most, overlook that for now .. unless .. but backing up a minute |
| 15:41.12 | smacnay | enouf: I just added the vga=791 option |
| 15:41.40 | d-b | Orbixx-eee: what are you on now ... |
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| 15:42.18 | enouf | smacnay: the options xingu mentioned "video=nvidiafb:off,rivafb:off" are like that - the video= options do use a comma separated list, but, a colon too as first entry - so see /Documentation/fb/* for more about all that |
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| 15:42.25 | enouf | smacnay: fine |
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| 15:42.31 | Orbixx-eee | What do I need to launch, with what parameters? |
| 15:43.03 | telmich | hello |
| 15:43.05 | smacnay | enouf: yes, because the video= is all one option together |
| 15:43.11 | enouf | bingo |
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| 15:43.59 | d-b | Orbixx-eee: first whta are you on now. what version of debian |
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| 15:45.08 | Orbixx-eee | sighs |
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| 15:45.17 | d-b | Orbixx-eee: going to tell me ? |
| 15:45.21 | Orbixx-eee | I just want a reminder of what the shell command is. |
| 15:45.33 | d-b | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:45.37 | Orbixx-eee | Thank you. |
| 15:45.38 | d-b | its apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:45.54 | Orbixx-eee | I know the distro matters. |
| 15:46.03 | nw3 | you need to update your sources as well though right? |
| 15:46.07 | stew | Orbixx-eee: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:46.08 | Orbixx-eee | Correct. |
| 15:46.12 | Orbixx-eee | Which is why he mentioned apt-get update |
| 15:46.27 | Orbixx-eee | Doesn't matter now, that's all I needed to know. |
| 15:46.30 | Orbixx-eee | Thanks d-b. |
| 15:46.31 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 15:46.31 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 15:46.50 | smacnay | enouf: off to try the reboot... |
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| 15:47.20 | d-b | Orbixx-eee: still don't know what version yoru on and going to.... |
| 15:47.26 | hifi | anyone here have matrox g450 and use it for quake or similiar? |
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| 15:47.49 | Orbixx-eee | Like I said, doesn't matter now. |
| 15:47.54 | Orbixx-eee | All I needed to know was the line. |
| 15:47.57 | Orbixx-eee | Thanks. |
| 15:47.57 | d-b | Orbixx-eee: yes it does... |
| 15:48.08 | Orbixx-eee | Let me worry about the distro, |
| 15:48.11 | d-b | well you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list first... |
| 15:48.12 | stew | Orbixx-eee: you should use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 15:48.37 | abrotman | Orbixx-eee: ask the channel for your distro |
| 15:49.23 | nw3 | what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 15:50.34 | flam | afaik aptitude takes more care of dependencies |
| 15:50.41 | flam | but i'm no expert |
| 15:51.39 | abrotman | nw3: the big one is the dependency resolution, in lenny both apt-get and aptitude should remove unused packages |
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| 15:52.52 | nw3 | abrotman: cheers |
| 15:53.00 | enouf | abrotman: do you happen to know if deborphan and debfoster then in lenny are obsolete? or maybe removed? or ... |
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| 15:53.23 | abrotman | enouf: i wouldn't say they're obsolete .. less useful perhaps |
| 15:53.39 | enouf | sure .. gotcha |
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| 15:54.44 | abrotman | enouf: personally, i run deborphan less than i used to |
| 15:54.45 | enouf | abrotman: right - if the option is there do somehow disable that dependency removal, reenabling it wouldn't help for past removed pkgs |
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| 15:54.58 | enouf | there do/there to |
| 15:55.04 | abrotman | enouf: it would, because they'd be unused |
| 15:55.11 | smacnay | enouf: well, your suggestion worked for not loading the nvidiafb module - thanks. And snd_pcsp.ko did not load on boot this time. |
| 15:55.18 | enouf | abrotman: i meant from just running apt |
| 15:55.28 | enouf | oh |
| 15:55.56 | enouf | i see, you mean, it must then always be looking out for unused pkgs when enabled |
| 15:56.20 | pif | hi, I'd like to create a personnal debian package list as dependencies all my favorite packages, so I would only have to install that dummy package to get my environment in new installs |
| 15:56.30 | abrotman | enouf: AIUI .. could be wrong though |
| 15:56.35 | metamorphus | How come my computer is still beeping, after i've done a "modprobe -r pcspkr" on Debian Lenny? |
| 15:56.36 | enouf | no matter how, where, when the corresponding pkgs installed them (pulled them in) |
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| 15:56.40 | pif | er, 'a debian package that lists' |
| 15:56.47 | enouf | makes sense though - it;s cool |
| 15:56.47 | abrotman | !tell metamorphus about bell |
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| 15:57.03 | abrotman | pif: you can either make a metapackage .. or a new task for tasksel |
| 15:57.04 | enouf | haha .. not snd_pcsp again! |
| 15:57.22 | pif | abrotman: what is the best way? |
| 15:57.32 | abrotman | that's up to you |
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| 15:58.04 | tinctorius | Why does compiling (fakeroot debian/rules build) gcc-4.3 include rendering my system completely unresponsive the moment some twatty torture test comes into play? |
| 15:58.08 | pif | abrotman: can a task be transfered easily from a machine to a clean install ? |
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| 15:58.15 | tinctorius | I'm talking about gcc.c-torture/compile/limits-structnest.c and friends |
| 15:58.32 | metamorphus | abrotman: thanks! :) |
| 15:58.49 | tinctorius | GNOME cursor doesn't move anymore, Numlock doesn't toggle the respective green light on my keyboard |
| 15:58.52 | abrotman | pif: i'd imagine so |
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| 15:59.06 | enouf | pif: the installer accepts tasksel= options |
| 15:59.08 | pif | looking into it thanks |
| 15:59.17 | abrotman | pif: IIRC, they're stored in a file, so you could just copy the file around |
| 15:59.22 | tinctorius | Is the scheduler sucking again? |
| 15:59.27 | enouf | pif: see the installation guide |
| 15:59.31 | pif | and have it under svn |
| 15:59.36 | tinctorius | is using Debian lenny, by the way. |
| 15:59.36 | abrotman | enouf: he's asking about making his own |
| 16:00.00 | abrotman | thinks enouf needs a nap |
| 16:00.27 | pecorade | yo :3 |
| 16:00.58 | enouf | thinks it wouldn't be an official 'task' then .. not such a bright idea then |
| 16:01.11 | enouf | look into preseeding |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 16:02.05 | enouf | metapackage was the answer |
| 16:02.15 | abrotman | or a task |
| 16:02.22 | abrotman | i gave him the option .. |
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| 16:02.25 | enouf | no |
| 16:02.30 | abrotman | yes, it works just as well |
| 16:02.45 | enouf | then the installer will accept it too |
| 16:02.50 | pif | a metapackage I can easily add to a base install, with a repository line , right? |
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| 16:03.06 | pif | how can I add a task to a base install? |
| 16:03.28 | abrotman | pif: drop the file in the tasks folder after the install .. then just install that task |
| 16:03.29 | pif | custom task I mean |
| 16:03.33 | pif | ah ok |
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| 16:03.42 | pif | seems fine |
| 16:03.42 | abrotman | alternatley make your own custom netinst with that task included |
| 16:03.53 | enouf | tasks folder? wtf? |
| 16:04.02 | abrotman | or yes, you could create your own metapackage with your own repo |
| 16:04.25 | enouf | !windowize abrotman |
| 16:04.29 | abrotman | enouf: /usr/share/tasksel/ |
| 16:04.34 | pif | ideally I'd like something I could update and save with svn |
| 16:04.45 | abrotman | pif: you can do that with either |
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| 16:05.07 | enouf | abrotman: i see - so, that can be used after installation with tasksel, but it's not there for the installer, since it's not available yet |
| 16:05.19 | abrotman | enouf: it could be if he made his own netinst |
| 16:05.43 | enouf | right, more work though - but hence preseeding will work too |
| 16:05.54 | abrotman | preseeding *what*? |
| 16:06.00 | enouf | the list |
| 16:06.04 | abrotman | which list |
| 16:06.10 | abrotman | you're not being very descriptive |
| 16:06.12 | enouf | packages |
| 16:06.22 | enouf | he wants selective packages |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | so you'd prefer he use '/msg dpkg debian clone' |
| 16:06.33 | abrotman | yes, we've covered that |
| 16:06.41 | abrotman | he can use tasksel or a metapackage |
| 16:07.23 | pif | using tasksel with the 'manual selection' option, I get dropped into aptitude; how do I proceed then? |
| 16:07.41 | abrotman | pif: that's just using aptitude .. not tasksel anymore |
| 16:07.47 | pif | oki |
| 16:07.54 | pif | so I should edit a file |
| 16:07.57 | abrotman | works just like aptitude anywhere else |
| 16:08.11 | pif | I get it |
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| 16:08.44 | abrotman | way to be vague .. thanks |
| 16:08.58 | pif | you guys are knowledgable |
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| 16:09.51 | abrotman | if the task exists .. |
| 16:10.00 | pif | I'd rather install the base and then proceed from there |
| 16:10.12 | abrotman | !tell pif about debian clone |
| 16:10.12 | enouf | ".. by using preseeding ... or" |
| 16:10.15 | abrotman | !tell pif about aptitude clone |
| 16:10.23 | abrotman | pif: there are two more options |
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| 16:11.39 | enouf | you still never ackknowledged your earlier fuckup with the /msg dpkg dm nonsense, and you want to fight me on this?> |
| 16:12.11 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 16:12.12 | pif | /usr/share/tasksel only contains a list of tasks, where are the package lists stored? |
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| 16:12.23 | abrotman | enouf: contrary to what your little brain believes, i don't watch this channel all day long |
| 16:12.38 | enouf | perfect - thanks |
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| 16:12.52 | pif | adjusts flame retardant trunks |
| 16:13.11 | slicer_ | thats was harsh, the whole handbag in the face ;) |
| 16:13.21 | abrotman | pif: you create a task with the packages |
| 16:14.06 | metamorphus | How can I get a frambebuffer console in Lenny? GRUB complains when i try to add vga=791 as a boot option. |
| 16:14.14 | gewt | What is a good applicatino to extract rar files? |
| 16:14.22 | petemc | unrar |
| 16:14.22 | metamorphus | gwet: unrar ? |
| 16:14.28 | gewt | unrar-free doesn't work for some reason \o. |
| 16:14.38 | petemc | try the other one |
| 16:14.48 | slicer_ | let me get up on on that, wine winrar |
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| 16:15.05 | xingu | tinctorius: sounds like heavy memory pressure to me; and yes, linux is completely capable of locking up under the wrong combinations of tuning and load. |
| 16:15.08 | abrotman | pif: the /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz has some notes about creating it |
| 16:15.23 | gewt | it extracts the files |
| 16:15.24 | pif | cool |
| 16:15.28 | gewt | but says it failed |
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| 16:15.36 | tinctorius | xingu: and how could I fix this? |
| 16:15.36 | petemc | gewt: could be the archive is bad |
| 16:15.46 | abrotman | xingu: give him the grease! |
| 16:15.48 | petemc | gewt: any par2 files? |
| 16:15.49 | gewt | petemc, true |
| 16:15.52 | pif | gewt: your warez is corrupt |
| 16:15.53 | tinctorius | xingu: or isn't there a "trivial" method? |
| 16:15.58 | gewt | pif, lol |
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| 16:16.05 | gewt | petemc, not sure |
| 16:16.06 | xingu | tinctorius: you'd start by measuring what's broken; and no, it's rarely trivial |
| 16:16.16 | pif | only warez or filez use rar these days |
| 16:16.24 | petemc | thats not true |
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| 16:16.31 | pif | ah? |
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| 16:16.40 | tinctorius | xingu: hmm... all I know is that compiling gcc.c-torture/compile/limits-structnest.c with optimizations completely locks up everything |
| 16:17.04 | tinctorius | from gcc-4.3 |
| 16:17.10 | gewt | it worked fien no arch linux. |
| 16:17.13 | gewt | on* |
| 16:17.15 | gewt | hm |
| 16:17.16 | lindenle | Hello my presee file contains a mirror setting but the installer appears to be ignoring it. |
| 16:17.21 | gewt | ill tyr it withotu renaming the file |
| 16:17.21 | abrotman | !unrar non-free |
| 16:17.25 | abrotman | !rar non-free |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | i give up |
| 16:17.34 | abrotman | it's there somewhere in the non-free stuff |
| 16:18.03 | xingu | tinctorius: vm.swappiness sysctl and io scheduler can be interesting knobs to tweak |
| 16:18.20 | xingu | tinctorius: capture vmstat 1 output while doing it is the place to start |
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| 16:18.57 | gewt | !non-free unrar |
| 16:19.02 | gewt | 0.o |
| 16:19.23 | gewt | i give up -_- |
| 16:19.25 | petemc | gewt: make sure you have non free sources, then search for unrar |
| 16:19.39 | xingu | tinctorius: nb, it's circumstances precisely like that, that make me refuse to work on systems that have any fewer than two fully blown cpu cores. |
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| 16:19.52 | pif | gewt: get the rar package, use 'rar x' |
| 16:19.56 | stew | gewt: also check the license on unrar, you might need to buy a license before you can legally use it |
| 16:20.17 | xingu | tinctorius: ... ie, even under worst-case load, there's typically *some* resource to still run userland |
| 16:20.33 | gewt | ill just scp the extracted file form my desktop |
| 16:20.38 | tinctorius | hmm |
| 16:21.00 | tinctorius | xingu: I'll try to compile it while capturing vmstat 1 |
| 16:21.10 | tinctorius | xingu: don't know wether my connection will be dropped now |
| 16:21.12 | tinctorius | :P |
| 16:21.12 | abrotman | gewt: the package seems to just be "unrar" but it's in the non-free repos |
| 16:21.26 | slicer_ | gewt: or u could download winrar trial, and wine it? i know it works in wine |
| 16:21.30 | pif | there is a 'rar' pack that works infe |
| 16:21.32 | pif | fine |
| 16:21.51 | slicer_ | i didn't like using unrar |
| 16:21.52 | gewt | I'll rarely be extractign rar files on the system anyway |
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| 16:22.09 | gewt | i just scp'd the file after i extarcted it no my desktop |
| 16:22.09 | pif | for your pr0n needs |
| 16:22.20 | gewt | its a plugin for somrthign -_- |
| 16:22.24 | gewt | soemthing* |
| 16:22.54 | pif | 'rar x' is better, you only need your left hand to type it :) |
| 16:23.56 | robyonrails | lol |
| 16:24.40 | tinctorius | ah |
| 16:24.51 | tinctorius | I am back >_< |
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| 16:26.36 | tinctorius | during the lockup, free memory is indeed rapidly decreasing, 'bi' is suddenly getting very high, cpu.sy is 100 |
| 16:26.55 | tinctorius | so is it swapping between disk and RAM like a madman then? |
| 16:27.15 | tinctorius | oh wait |
| 16:27.21 | tinctorius | memory.swpd stays 0 |
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| 16:28.58 | tinctorius | http://nopaste.org/p/aXbpL8aQob |
| 16:29.13 | tinctorius | xingu: so where do I start from here? :P |
| 16:29.43 | tinctorius | oh wait |
| 16:29.44 | tinctorius | WHAT |
| 16:29.47 | tinctorius | where is my swap? |
| 16:30.43 | xingu | tinctorius: right, well I can see your "bi" column going bananas which means you're drowning in a huge io read request |
| 16:30.44 | pif | swap is bad, get rid of it |
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| 16:31.04 | tinctorius | I have zero swap to begin with! |
| 16:31.05 | greeq | hi. apt-get remove says it has removed the package but wont install another package because of conflict. http://nopaste.com/p/aEome5JjI |
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| 16:31.18 | pif | nobody needs swap with today's cheap ram |
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| 16:31.40 | tinctorius | I have only two gigglebites |
| 16:32.17 | pif | recalls 1995 with slackware and 16m ram, *sigh* |
| 16:32.30 | abrotman | oh .. powerhouse machine! |
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| 16:32.51 | xingu | tinctorius: so in a nutshell your whole problem seems to be a lack of io horsepower; double your stripe width, halve the time |
| 16:32.52 | gewt | thats a waste of 342MB! |
| 16:32.53 | tinctorius | oh... ha... I indeed don't have /dev/hda2, so it isn't swap :P |
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| 16:33.14 | gewt | pif, I'm going to have a pentium 1 system runnign freebsd jnetworked running apache |
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| 16:33.29 | gewt | no idea how much ram it has |
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| 16:33.39 | pif | that's what I had, a pentium 1 with the f00f bug |
| 16:33.45 | tinctorius | xingu: ... stripe of what? |
| 16:33.53 | tinctorius | isn't very familiar with the term anyway. |
| 16:34.23 | gewt | ive got 1.07GB free in /usr |
| 16:34.40 | xingu | tinctorius: your system is 100% busy-waiting for hdd read to complete |
| 16:34.43 | gewt | 888.41mb free in /var |
| 16:34.47 | tinctorius | hmz |
| 16:34.57 | gewt | 33.54mb FREE IN / |
| 16:34.59 | gewt | -caps |
| 16:35.02 | xingu | tinctorius: increase the stripe width; go from a stripe of x2 to x4 or whatever. |
| 16:35.12 | gewt | 156.10GB free in /home |
| 16:35.43 | gewt | Do you think i need more space for / ? |
| 16:35.44 | AbortRet1yFail | 2lol i've still got a machine with the f00f bug. |
| 16:35.57 | tinctorius | sadly still doesn't get it. |
| 16:36.01 | abrotman | chooses Fail |
| 16:36.18 | AbortRet1yFail | AbortRet1yFail: most do. |
| 16:36.24 | abrotman | chooses Fail |
| 16:36.55 | gewt | i have a system with a blue fan and 33.4MB free in / |
| 16:37.11 | pif | AbortRet1yFail: keep it, they're timeless classics by now |
| 16:37.41 | pif | boot it sometimes to impress a date |
| 16:37.54 | AbortRet1yFail | pif: you must be thinking of up north |
| 16:38.02 | AbortRet1yFail | here in florida girls arent interested in computers. |
| 16:38.18 | xingu | tinctorius: nb, there may be some benefit from adding swap; your system is running down to the last ~20MiB or so while the workload runs - while not paging out is good for deadline performance, it can be catastrophic in terms of preventing the system allocating a page when it needs to - ie, it *could* trigger the effect you're experiencing |
| 16:38.24 | pif | I like girls who dig computers |
| 16:38.46 | pif | I'll never be a closet nerd |
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| 16:39.05 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 16:39.09 | xingu | tinctorius: however it's far more *likely* that the two key improvements for that workload are; 1, add more disks (increase stripe width); 2, possibly go from single to dualcore cpu package if you only have the forme. |
| 16:39.13 | xingu | s/forme/former/ |
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| 16:40.17 | pk1 | hello |
| 16:40.18 | xingu | tinctorius: in terms of what does increase stripe width mean - go read up on raid1 (and probably, raid1+0) |
| 16:40.33 | gewt | why does phpsysinfo 3.0 Rc6 never work for me >< |
| 16:40.51 | tinctorius | xingu: I'm already using a dual core amd64 system |
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| 16:41.05 | effraie | hello |
| 16:41.14 | tinctorius | xingu: my / is on an IDE disk XD |
| 16:41.23 | xingu | tinctorius: ok; it's unlikely that adding additional cpu cores or packages will help. |
| 16:41.33 | gewt | does http://home.mostlynothing.co.cc/sysinfo/ look plain and shite? |
| 16:41.42 | effraie | i've got a problem when re-installing munin-node on my etch server |
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| 16:42.01 | gewt | it works only if i specify a Template |
| 16:42.08 | tinctorius | But I still don't get how 'just gcc' can seriously lock up my system by much IO. |
| 16:42.16 | tinctorius | unless it's not gcc doing that |
| 16:42.16 | effraie | invoke-rc.d: initscript munin-node, action "start" failed. |
| 16:42.23 | gewt | . |
| 16:42.33 | tinctorius | probably not, of course |
| 16:42.37 | gewt | does anyone know wtf i messed up to break phpsysinfo 3.0 rc6? |
| 16:42.47 | gewt | A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete. |
| 16:42.47 | gewt | Script: http://home.mostlynothing.co.cc/sysinfo/js/jquery.pack.js:11 |
| 16:42.49 | effraie | anybody to help me with that munin-node / dpkg issue? |
| 16:42.49 | beardy | "plain" is not a syllible(?) for "shite". |
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| 16:43.06 | abrotman | effraie: |
| 16:43.08 | abrotman | effraie: just ask |
| 16:43.15 | pif | tinctorius: post to linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, great help there |
| 16:43.36 | tinctorius | pif: that, or I should Just Do It :P |
| 16:43.50 | Samuel-NotAFK | I can't get the package 'flashplayer-mozilla' to install properly on Debian Lenny http://pastebin.com/m35e7799b |
| 16:43.51 | gewt | wtf D: |
| 16:43.55 | tinctorius | spend money on a hardware RAID controller etc. |
| 16:43.56 | gewt | it works fine in IE 0.o |
| 16:44.04 | xingu | tinctorius: correct, it's possibly a case of producing a very large source file for the second stage compiler or assembler stage to process (xearth did this at one stage due to a combination of a ginormous array and its c++ implementation specifics) |
| 16:44.14 | pif | tinctorius: nope, hw raid is evil |
| 16:44.18 | xingu | tinctorius: or possibly it's just the test case itself which is a little io happy |
| 16:44.25 | pif | opaque format, hard recovery, etc. |
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| 16:44.44 | tinctorius | xingu: it's a compile test, so then gcc should have issued the IO requests |
| 16:44.45 | gewt | wtf 0.o |
| 16:44.45 | cayres | Does anyone know why there's no php5-mysqli package? |
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| 16:44.51 | pif | when hw raid fails , your fucked |
| 16:44.54 | gewt | its only an sisues with firefox3 alpga |
| 16:44.56 | xingu | tinctorius: "gcc" is a wrapper |
| 16:45.17 | tinctorius | xingu: okay, the C compiler used by gcc then ;) |
| 16:45.30 | effraie | abrotman: i removed munin(+node) 2 or 3 month ago on my etch server. (it worked fine). now, i want it again. so i did "pat-get" it, and got a "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)". i did purge, and remove old configuration and whatever, but i still have the same problem, and i'm not able to solve it |
| 16:45.41 | tinctorius | oh shit |
| 16:45.43 | effraie | (sorry for my poor english) |
| 16:45.50 | tinctorius | no, it's a very ugly testcase |
| 16:45.55 | tinctorius | many defines and concatenation etc. |
| 16:46.14 | themill | cayres: it's not needed. Read the package description for php5-mysql |
| 16:46.16 | xingu | right, so possibly it produces an eyeboggling.S file or similar |
| 16:46.20 | tinctorius | http://nopaste.org/p/aHhDUqa2b |
| 16:46.22 | tinctorius | that |
| 16:46.39 | cayres | themill, I will do that.. are you saying they have been integrated? |
| 16:46.42 | gewt | i didn't know pat-get existed. |
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| 16:47.02 | tinctorius | so it's just hogging up memory for the struct |
| 16:47.13 | \amethyst | effraie: it would help to pastebin the log of the entire 'apt-get install' output. The true error should have appeared further up---that message is just apt telling you that there was an error |
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| 16:47.31 | stew | cayres: apt-cache show php5-mysql |
| 16:47.49 | effraie | http://nopaste.org/p/aT9CYCQ59 \amethyst abrotman (mostly in french...) |
| 16:48.05 | xingu | tinctorius: is that complete, or is there more to it? |
| 16:48.23 | tinctorius | xingu: that's the whole testcase |
| 16:48.30 | tinctorius | it's probably not meant to compile correctly |
| 16:48.31 | effraie | but still comprehensible, i think |
| 16:48.33 | cayres | themill and stew, thanks.. I didnt realize they were integrated. :) |
| 16:48.35 | cayres | r |
| 16:48.45 | tinctorius | it's just to push the compiler to the limits defined in the C standards |
| 16:48.47 | Samuel-NotAFK | I fixed the problem with 'mkdir /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins' |
| 16:48.49 | gewt | i need soemthing better than a PIII |
| 16:48.50 | tinctorius | concerning nesting limits |
| 16:48.54 | cayres | I figured i was going to have to build php5 with mysqli manually |
| 16:49.04 | tinctorius | hence the name: limit-structnest.c |
| 16:49.18 | tinctorius | oh wait no |
| 16:49.20 | tinctorius | ehm |
| 16:49.22 | xingu | tinctorius: have you got an issued gcc ... command line? |
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| 16:49.26 | tinctorius | disregard that |
| 16:49.59 | Samuel-NotAFK | I'm glad that Lenny has flashplayer 10 :D |
| 16:50.05 | Samuel-NotAFK | Lenny rawks! |
| 16:50.05 | \amethyst | effraie: okay, so the problem was that it was unable to start munin |
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| 16:50.20 | effraie | yep, \amethyst |
| 16:50.30 | effraie | but i can't figure why |
| 16:50.31 | tinctorius | xingu: gcc ./src/gcc/testsuite/gcc.c-torture/compile/limits-structnest.c -O2 |
| 16:50.37 | tinctorius | brb f00d |
| 16:51.06 | \amethyst | effraie: could you pastebin the log of bash -x /etc/init.d/munin-node start |
| 16:51.23 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: ta; it's the optimiser that's doing it |
| 16:51.24 | tinct[f00d] | that's from the source package gcc-4.3 v. 4.3.2-1 |
| 16:51.25 | \amethyst | effraie: that will tell which commands in the startup script succeeded and which failed |
| 16:51.38 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: reproducable here, gimme 2s and I'll tell you exactly what's going on |
| 16:53.44 | effraie | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/f10f959fd |
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| 16:54.57 | \amethyst | effraie: moment, fetching a copy of the script |
| 16:55.07 | effraie | \amethyst: thank a lot |
| 16:55.17 | gewt | ive got a PIII in this system |
| 16:55.21 | gewt | 600MHZ |
| 16:55.26 | gewt | can't be overclocked |
| 16:56.25 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: cc1 produces a relatively huge (192k) intermediate (post-preprocessor) file |
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| 16:56.47 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: my guess is that the assembler goes to town processing it. |
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| 16:57.52 | effraie | :wc 11 |
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| 17:00.51 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: that's precisely what seems to happen per strace; the optimiser goes mmap happy reading in the preprocessed output which doesn't surprise me much |
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| 17:01.38 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: so what you've just proven is that gcc's io strategy isn't terribly clever and scales poorly as a function of filesize post preprocessor :) |
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| 17:03.38 | effraie | \amethyst: any idea? |
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| 17:04.03 | \amethyst | effraie: hm... it's trying to waiting about one second for munin to start, but the process isn't running within that time, so it's giving up |
| 17:05.01 | xingu | ie, it's not the hugeness of the file, it's the number of rescans over it, most likely |
| 17:05.45 | \amethyst | effraie: if you increase that sleep 0.05 inside of start() in /etc/init.d/munin-node to sleep 0.5 instead, does /etc/init.d/munin-node start still fail? |
| 17:06.29 | \amethyst | effraie: that will cause it to wait for up to 10 seconds (it runs the loop 20 times) |
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| 17:07.31 | \amethyst | effraie: it would also be worthwhile to check any logs that munin-node might make |
| 17:07.36 | effraie | exactly the same result, \amethyst |
| 17:07.44 | qira | exit |
| 17:08.02 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: it's just possible that this workload would actually speed up by permitting swap |
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| 17:09.09 | effraie | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/f1e4c89a5 |
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| 17:09.36 | \amethyst | effraie: ohh... it thinks something is already running on that port |
| 17:09.54 | effraie | ah ah |
| 17:10.03 | \amethyst | effraie: what does netstat -pnt | grep 4949 say? |
| 17:10.05 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: the nub of the problem is that the second stage optimiser is acting as a memory hog when it runs which causes everything including fscaches to get thoroughly thrashed |
| 17:10.16 | \amethyst | effraie: that should print as the last column the process ID that is using that port |
| 17:10.21 | effraie | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:4949 127.0.0.1:40328 ESTABLISHED32170/munin-node |
| 17:10.24 | effraie | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:40328 127.0.0.1:4949 ESTABLISHED32169/munin-update |
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| 17:10.59 | \amethyst | effraie: hmm... so it's already running, but for some reason it didn't detect that in the init script |
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| 17:11.27 | danielbvho | hello |
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| 17:12.09 | effraie | \amethyst: whaou, thank you, i think it should be ok now |
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| 17:12.46 | micols | my connection is lost to my server after i do run openvpn and it changes my route, how do i fix this? |
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| 17:13.36 | \amethyst | effraie: good luck... I'm still not sure why it happened (the script has code in place to detect that) |
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| 17:14.36 | \amethyst | effraie: maybe the pidfile in /var/run/munin/munin-node.pid got removed while it was still running? |
| 17:14.47 | effraie | maybe... |
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| 17:23.48 | Titan | is zero install part of the default package in etch/ |
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| 17:25.03 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: adding "--param ggc-min-expand=0" to cflags makes the test case far less pathalogical |
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| 17:26.41 | xingu | tinct[f00d]: actually scratch that, measurement artifact |
| 17:27.18 | Seldaek | heya, how come I get aunknown command "if" when I use if in a shell script? |
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| 17:30.41 | xingu | Seldaek: you probably need to pastebin the shellscript |
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| 17:32.36 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:33.18 | J_P | people, what is the command to verifify on system if there are files or directories of users that was deleted ? |
| 17:33.20 | linkslice | I've got a strange issue where /usr/local/mdadm/checkarray has started telling me "checkarray: W: array md0 not idle, skipping..." I tried "echo idle > /sys/block/md1/md/sync_action" and this works for a minute but then it's back to 'check' status |
| 17:33.55 | tinctorius | xingu: indeed, -O0 says it won't compile because there is no main |
| 17:33.55 | xingu | J_P: find(1): -nouser |
| 17:34.06 | Seldaek | xingu: well, no time now will be back tomorrow but thanks |
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| 17:34.12 | xingu | tinctorius: I got around that by adding a void main(void) { } |
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| 17:34.29 | J_P | xingu: and for a group ? |
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| 17:34.38 | xingu | J_P: -nogroup |
| 17:34.44 | J_P | xingu: thanks :-) |
| 17:34.52 | Spirit_ | errr, were i just here as "hannes"? :D |
| 17:35.32 | J_P | xingu: $ find(1): -nouser -> -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `1' |
| 17:36.06 | tinctorius | xingu: so basically, gcc should be run in a jail of some sorts when it's using an optimizer and you're expecting your computer will still interact with you with a happily moving white blob when you wiggle your mouse? |
| 17:36.11 | xingu | tinctorius: it's definitely the second stage that's hammering your system by chewing vm though (that's what's caused your free/cache to drop at the crucial moment); once the system has (past tense) been buried to the point of having everything _except_ this monster in core, the next stage is the compiler exits and then your system goes wild reading its whole _other_ working set back in |
| 17:36.38 | xingu | tinctorius: I misread when exactly the pagein was happening - it's _after_ gcc's trashed your caches |
| 17:36.48 | Spirit_ | hm, i guess i was not here. what other "big" debian channel is there? it was the default in xchat in knoppix |
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| 17:37.00 | unop | J_P, that's not how you use find. find /somedir -nouser |
| 17:37.27 | xingu | tinctorius: so what to do; well, probably moan at the gcc people and ask them how to constrain working set; in theory it should respond to tweaking ulimit -v, in practice I'm having some issues here finding a value that works enough to let it actually load this monster |
| 17:37.47 | tinctorius | heh |
| 17:38.04 | tinctorius | well, it's ment to fail, says the test description |
| 17:38.18 | tinctorius | at least, I think this is the test that has to fail |
| 17:38.33 | tinctorius | since there are "5 steps" that are expected to fail in the testsuite |
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| 17:39.18 | tinctorius | *meant |
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| 17:40.26 | xingu | tinctorius: I gather the process has a ~2GiB working set based on doubling ulimit -v until it succeeds without choking on out-of-memory |
| 17:41.11 | tinctorius | xingu |
| 17:41.12 | tinctorius | eh |
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| 17:41.26 | tinctorius | xingu: so if I'd enable cache, it should work for me XD |
| 17:41.38 | tinctorius | xingu: since I have *exactly* 2 GiB of memory |
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| 17:42.02 | tinctorius | not counting the 640 kB or something of loose change |
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| 17:42.12 | xingu | tinctorius: swap - no, I also have a 2GiB physical system and it's burying this guy briefly too; and more, once it's back, everything's swapped out (which is part of the reason your desktop feels sluggish) |
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| 17:42.44 | xingu | tinctorius: adding swap would stop it *killing* you (ie, having things freeze); but without swap prefetch (not in std kernel yet) you'll then have a new problem - sluggish response |
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| 17:43.14 | tinctorius | xingu: 0 bytes of swap currently |
| 17:43.18 | xingu | tinctorius: if the testcase is supposed to run out of memory then set ulimit -v |
| 17:43.25 | xingu | tinctorius: yes I know, it's in your vmstat. :) |
| 17:43.32 | tinctorius | oh yeah ^^ |
| 17:44.00 | xingu | tinctorius: you can see why that is the first thing to look at though, there's a wealth of info in that data |
| 17:44.17 | tinctorius | indeed... |
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| 17:44.37 | xingu | tinctorius: if the test case is *not* supposed to run out of memory, the best solution is add more of it - or - find some way to make gcc chew < physical |
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| 17:45.06 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:45.09 | xingu | tinctorius: anything else you do is "less worse"; one of the things you could do is engage some swap on something light and fast like one of the new intel ssd's. |
| 17:45.19 | DexterF | will kde4 be optional in lenny? |
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| 17:46.14 | xingu | tinctorius: but the fundamental design problem is at that point in the compile you have a process trying to allocate 100% of physical, via mmap. |
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| 17:47.13 | BleSS | how to umount a partition that shows: device is busy. ? |
| 17:47.50 | Tenkawa | use fuser to see whats got it held up first |
| 17:47.50 | tinctorius | xingu: mmapping all physical memory as a consequence of a big working set, or just mmapping all physical because it always does that? |
| 17:47.51 | stew | BleSS: kill the processes which are using it. "fuser -m /mount/point" will list the pids |
| 17:48.09 | BleSS | stew: thanks |
| 17:48.23 | Omitify | Is there a way to start a grep at a certain line number in a file? |
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| 17:48.40 | xingu | tinctorius: it's smart enough to ask the system how much physical it thinks it has when sizing its heap for the garbage collector - so google tells me |
| 17:48.57 | xingu | tinctorius: but yes, as a function of _that particular_ working set |
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| 17:49.18 | tinctorius | xingu: otherwise it'd be really fugly... |
| 17:50.11 | tinctorius | xingu: thanks for your help anyway, I've set ulimit -v to half a gigabyte |
| 17:50.24 | tinctorius | I'll do so in future whenever I'll compile something ;) |
| 17:50.41 | tinctorius | anything that wants to use more sounds flawed to me anyways |
| 17:52.53 | trumpen | Omitify, you can use awk: awk 'NR>=linenumber && /pattern/' or pipe tail to grep: tail -n +linenumber | grep pattern |
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| 17:53.14 | Omitify | trumpen: Thanks |
| 17:53.48 | trumpen | Omitify, yw ;) |
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| 17:55.48 | xingu | tinctorius: nb I've seen exactly this same class of fault (admittedly over a decade ago) within xearth, too. |
| 17:55.50 | superkiwi | Is there other files than resolv.conf which handles dns lookup? I'm on ubuntu, and the file is empty, but even if I add the correct content (like nameserver 192.168.2.1), dns lookup does not work. I've got no access to a gui browser that works so I can't google it. |
| 17:56.02 | superkiwi | */etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:56.14 | xingu | tinctorius: if you start seeing stl/c++ stuff bomb during compile, this is probably why (working set during compile is huge) |
| 17:56.38 | tinctorius | xingu: but isn't this a more fundamental flaw in allocating resources for jobs/users? |
| 17:57.09 | tinctorius | xingu: a kernel should know when to stop, right? :P |
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| 17:58.20 | xingu | tinctorius: it does; gcc's doing everything perfectly, it's not blowing your system up - otherwise the oom killer would fry its arse. |
| 17:58.49 | xingu | tinctorius: it's perfectly well behavedly asking for every last drop it can get; the kernel is responding by spilling cache and giving it up |
| 17:59.28 | tinctorius | xingu: and that is when the huge I/O load is kicking in, right? |
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| 17:59.39 | xingu | tinctorius: yup; at the end of the run |
| 17:59.47 | xingu | tinctorius: for me, I get spill during the run, because I have swap |
| 18:00.09 | xingu | tinctorius: but for you, it's probably (at a guess) your x display server and web browser faulting back in |
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| 18:01.19 | xingu | imagemagick was another classic for eating everything it could find and then some at compile time |
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| 18:04.34 | tinctorius | xingu: Iceweasel can do that too sometimes |
| 18:04.37 | tinctorius | really annoying |
| 18:05.52 | tinctorius | I don't see why you need so much memory to simply browse through history |
| 18:05.53 | tinctorius | at a slow pace |
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| 18:11.06 | tinctorius | but thanks again, xingu :) |
| 18:11.09 | tinctorius | kudos |
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| 18:19.38 | pickcoder | is having a fun time getting 2.6.28-rc1 running on Etch |
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| 18:21.09 | smacnay | anyone using a Logitech Quickcam deluxe webcam and able to set it get 30 fps speed? |
| 18:21.29 | kenjy | hi guys I need your help, while I do apt-get upgrade I got a lot of locales error so I did dpkg-reconfigure locales but I get this perl problem in the output http://rafb.net/p/ZmKCB028.html |
| 18:21.32 | kenjy | can you help me please? |
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| 18:22.44 | Sweetandy | kenjy: I have the same problem! |
| 18:22.46 | Fiskah | What does "Helo command rejected: Host not found;" in my postfix error log mean? |
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| 18:23.37 | kenjy | Sweetandy: hahaha ok no luck searching for a fix :( |
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| 18:24.17 | Sweetandy | kenjy: I don't think I get them if I run aptitude safe-upgrade though |
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| 18:24.36 | stew | Fiskah: that one server said "helo some.hostname" and the other server tried to verify the DNS for some.hostname and didn't find a DNS record |
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| 18:25.13 | Fiskah | hmm as far as I can see by doing "host some.hostname" it is valid |
| 18:25.21 | Fiskah | I get "some.hostname A 23.23.23.23" |
| 18:26.14 | themill | kenjy: do you see these errors if you *don't* rm the /etc/default/locale file in between "dpkg-reconfigure locales" runs? What happens if you log in again (after running dpkg-reconfigure locales)? |
| 18:26.39 | pickcoder | Fiskah: the remote sender is not RFC compliant |
| 18:26.58 | pickcoder | stop blocking unknown HELOs or tell the mail admin on the other side to run a compliant server |
| 18:26.58 | kenjy | themill: I removed locale file and re run dpkg-reconfigure but it shows the same error, Im going to restart the vz |
| 18:27.05 | Fiskah | how do you see that, pickcoder? |
| 18:27.13 | pickcoder | Fiskah: look at the log entry |
| 18:27.18 | pickcoder | are both of the fields null? |
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| 18:27.55 | Fiskah | what fields? |
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| 18:28.07 | pickcoder | pastebin the error |
| 18:28.22 | pickcoder | btw, postfix doesn't use <host> to do lookups |
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| 18:29.54 | Fiskah | pickcoder: http://paste.viaweb.biz/p/6 |
| 18:29.58 | Fiskah | I anonymized it a bit |
| 18:30.18 | Fiskah | its helo=<xx.xx.companyname> |
| 18:30.23 | Fiskah | not a valid domain name |
| 18:31.17 | pickcoder | they need to fix their greeting name |
| 18:31.39 | pickcoder | you can whitelist that domain or stop blocking unknown helos |
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| 18:32.02 | pickcoder | a lot of times the from=<> and to=<> will be null if the client isn't RFC compiant |
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| 18:32.04 | Fiskah | how do I whitelist it? |
| 18:32.06 | pickcoder | ~compliant |
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| 18:33.50 | pickcoder | you can use check_client_access or check_sender_access |
| 18:34.05 | pickcoder | under smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 18:34.34 | pickcoder | I'd still send the postmaster@theirrealdomain a reminder to fix their HELO greeting |
| 18:35.11 | pickcoder | anyone running a decent mail server is going to block mail from the |
| 18:35.15 | pickcoder | +m |
| 18:35.32 | Fiskah | nice |
| 18:35.37 | ploo | is there a way around the linux kernel network loopback? if I have 2 interfaces on the same machine and I try to ping or whatever the other device stays local and doesn't got through the network |
| 18:35.41 | Fiskah | its one of the largest reatiling corporations in Denmark |
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| 18:36.55 | pickcoder | smells xchg |
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| 18:38.25 | Fiskah | hmm how do I specify the whitelist stuff in check_client_access ? |
| 18:38.28 | pickcoder | Fiskah: technically it should be xx.dk |
| 18:38.37 | Fiskah | ah okay :) |
| 18:38.38 | pickcoder | or something there-abouts |
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| 18:38.44 | Fiskah | yeah a valid domain name |
| 18:38.46 | pickcoder | dunno their mail setup |
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| 18:39.20 | pickcoder | http://www.postfix.org/access.5.html |
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| 18:40.13 | pickcoder | client_access uses IP/hostname/etc while the sender_access checks mailfrom |
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| 18:40.28 | pickcoder | IP/hostname of the connection origin |
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| 18:41.43 | pickcoder | use "<key> OK" to return a valid value for that restriction check |
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| 18:42.15 | pickcoder | bear in mind that placement of the smtpd_recipient_restrictions is critical if you want to perform other tasks before allowing the mail |
| 18:42.27 | Fiskah | ill just totally whitelist that server |
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| 18:42.48 | Fiskah | so just "servers.domain OK"? |
| 18:42.56 | pickcoder | yes |
| 18:43.01 | pickcoder | postmap the file and restart postfix |
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| 18:43.47 | lappy198 | Hi, can someone tell me why the program: "ddate" is installed by default? It's kinda useless. |
| 18:44.16 | pickcoder | Fiskah: if you want more detailed info on configs stop by #postfix |
| 18:44.31 | protocols | lappy198, not installed with me |
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| 18:44.53 | \amethyst | lappy198: it's in util-linux, which is a kind of dumping ground for all kinds of scripts |
| 18:44.59 | lappy198 | protocols, I'm using Debian Lenny 64-bit, and it's per default. |
| 18:45.02 | erawfish | lappy198: "default" is kinda hard to define in debian |
| 18:45.05 | lappy198 | \amethyst, I see :) |
| 18:45.08 | erawfish | lappy198: what package provides the command? |
| 18:45.09 | lappy198 | erawfish, Indeed. |
| 18:45.18 | pickcoder | info util-linux etch |
| 18:45.23 | pickcoder | !info util-linux etch |
| 18:45.23 | \amethyst | lappy198: because the overhead of putting it there and having everyone install a 7K binary is less than the overhead of putting it in its own package |
| 18:45.26 | Fiskah | postmap? |
| 18:45.32 | erawfish | Fiskah: a command |
| 18:45.38 | Fiskah | what does it do? |
| 18:45.40 | simonrvn | util-linux |
| 18:45.41 | pickcoder | Fiskah: you have to build a hash |
| 18:45.48 | lappy198 | \amethyst, :P |
| 18:45.51 | dpkg | util-linux: (Miscellaneous system utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.12r-19etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 366 kB, Installed size: 992 kB |
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| 18:45.56 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 18:46.02 | erawfish | ok, it is "default" :) |
| 18:46.14 | simonrvn | ddate prints the date in Discordian date format. |
| 18:46.15 | simonrvn | effing lag |
| 18:46.23 | \amethyst | Today is Boomtime, the 15th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 |
| 18:46.42 | \amethyst | YOLD = Year of Our Lady of Discord |
| 18:46.52 | \amethyst | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar |
| 18:47.13 | pickcoder | Fiskah: you could also use mysql and store the whitelist in a table |
| 18:47.23 | themill | \amethyst: Sounds about right for the day I've had. |
| 18:47.26 | pickcoder | or dbd.. or any other built-in map support |
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| 18:48.02 | \amethyst | PATH=/bin:/usr/bin bash |
| 18:48.03 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:48.31 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 18:48.57 | lappy198 | How do i check what package a binary comes from? |
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| 18:49.51 | pickcoder | apt-file search <filename> is the easiest |
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| 18:49.58 | pickcoder | but you have to install apt-file and u pdate it |
| 18:50.25 | pickcoder | dpkg can tell you too |
| 18:50.25 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, pickcoder |
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| 18:51.28 | pickcoder | dpkg -S <file pattern> |
| 18:51.28 | dpkg | Dingos ate my <file pattern>! |
| 18:51.57 | themill | dpkg: shut up |
| 18:51.58 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 18:54.30 | simonrvn | likes dlocate instead of dpkg -S |
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| 18:56.29 | keith4 | apt-file isn't updating, currently |
| 18:56.34 | keith4 | (for lenny) |
| 18:56.39 | simNIX | if im not mistaken there a seprate chanel for isseus w lbeta2 Lenny ... I only dont know which |
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| 18:57.09 | jogla | i installed debian at my former fedora system, the /home/ directory remained untouched |
| 18:57.17 | stew | hopefully rc1 will be out RSN so that people will stop using beta2 |
| 18:57.21 | jogla | but debian is using .kde4 for kde4, fedora was using .kde |
| 18:57.36 | jogla | now a have all the old menu entries in kicker |
| 18:57.38 | stew | debian doesn't even have kde4 yet |
| 18:57.43 | jogla | How can i get rid of them? |
| 18:57.46 | jogla | stew: but sid has |
| 18:57.49 | stew | jogla: no |
| 18:57.51 | jogla | and there is a backport |
| 18:58.11 | keith4 | sid does not |
| 18:58.14 | keith4 | experimental does |
| 18:58.25 | stew | sid will start to get kde4 soon after lenny is released |
| 18:58.42 | jogla | ahh, experimental, ok |
| 18:59.05 | simNIX | I mean beta2 so I meen experimetal |
| 18:59.22 | keith4 | uh |
| 18:59.32 | keith4 | how do you figure that beta2 implies experimental? |
| 18:59.55 | simNIX | not sure - maybe wrong asumption since its stable yet ? |
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| 19:00.11 | stew | i didn't know it was even in experimental |
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| 19:00.19 | stew | i guess some pieces are |
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| 19:00.40 | stew | simNIX: its testing, experimental is something completely different |
| 19:01.11 | keith4 | experimental means "i like spending time fixing my computer, instead of using it" |
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| 19:01.36 | simNIX | my bad; just t obe preciese I used debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso to install on thinkpad - during boot it chrashes |
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| 19:01.46 | oOarthurOo | Hi... can I copy my existing install to a usb stick, make it bootable, install grub to it, and then expect things to go well? |
| 19:01.47 | simNIX | but goes one to boot after a while |
| 19:01.50 | stew | simNIX: try a weekly or a daily |
| 19:02.39 | stew | oOarthurOo: yes, you might have to fix device names in fstab. note that "make it bootable" and "install grub to it" are likely the same thing |
| 19:03.02 | oOarthurOo | ok.. cool. I'll give it a try, but sometimes my ideas are stupid for reasons I'm not aware of. |
| 19:03.04 | Kraftzwerk | trying to mount encfs via fuse: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: no permission. /dev/fuse has r+w access for group, user is member of group fuse. what could be wrong? |
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| 19:03.32 | simNIX | stew; just for my understanding this beta2 is older, and the pregressed work till today on it can be found in a daily snapshot ? |
| 19:03.36 | pickcoder | yay.. no more libata errors |
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| 19:04.34 | stew | simNIX: beta2 is older by months. i don't know what "pregressed" means |
| 19:05.02 | stew | Kraftzwerk: does "groups" list the group in question when you run it in the shell that gave you that error? |
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| 19:05.42 | Kraftzwerk | stew: no, it does not. (even though adduser user group claims the user is already part of that group) |
| 19:06.19 | stew | Kraftzwerk: logout and log back in |
| 19:06.55 | simNIX | (progressed as in what was beta2 then is prograssed in daily )now |
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| 19:07.27 | BitUnique | im trying to get my iwl4965 card working under debian testing, but it keep asking for the firware. i've put it in the /lib/firware dir but its not working. what am i doing wrong? |
| 19:08.20 | abrotman | /usr/lib/firmware/ i believe |
| 19:08.31 | stew | no /lib/firmware is correct |
| 19:08.52 | stew | BitUnique: did you put the firmware files directly into /lib/firmware? or are they in some subdirectory of /lib/firmware? |
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| 19:09.11 | BitUnique | stew: i put it directly in it |
| 19:09.26 | oOarthurOo | ok... it turns out my flash drive is only 2 GB which isn't big enough. |
| 19:09.57 | BitUnique | and there is just one file (iwlwifi4965-2.ucode) |
| 19:10.02 | themill | BitUnique: the firmware is in the firmware-iwlwifi package already -- no putting firmware anywhere required. (and you have to make sure the firmware matches the kernel module) |
| 19:10.09 | stew | BitUnique: you could install the firmware-iwlwifi package from debian's non-free repository |
| 19:10.44 | BitUnique | i have no way to get on the internet tho. im using a windows compter to talk right now |
| 19:11.01 | stew | BitUnique: you seem to be on the internet |
| 19:11.02 | erawfish | download it from packages.debian.org then |
| 19:11.02 | pickcoder | download the deb and put it on a flash drive |
| 19:11.05 | BitUnique | is there a deb package i can download and put on my flash drive and isntall it with dpkg -i? |
| 19:11.19 | stew | BitUnique: yes, http://packages.debian.org/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 19:11.24 | oOarthurOo | My second question is this, I want to always delete the Backup folders that picasa creates. If you rotate a photo it creates a backup of the unrotated photo. Very annoying on a laptop with limited hard-drive space. Anyway, I want to create a script that can be run under anacron once a week to find all folders under /home/arthur/Pictures named Backup and delete the folder and everything in it. Someone on the picasa forums sugges |
| 19:11.32 | BitUnique | thanks |
| 19:11.35 | oOarthurOo | I was hoping someone could give me their opinion of it. |
| 19:12.13 | oOarthurOo | Obviously, Originals would need to be named Backup, or exactly what the folder is called. |
| 19:12.30 | oOarthurOo | And /picasa_pictures would be /home/arthur/Pictures ... but otherwise. |
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| 19:15.25 | ezguy | anyone aware of any problems using nfsv3 server with nfsv4 clients? |
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| 19:16.39 | BitUnique | stew: its working now. thanks alot :) |
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| 19:19.57 | quentusrex | I have a binary file, how do I edit the text? grep is telling me it found the string I'm searching for, but vim won't let me read the file. |
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| 19:22.52 | asg | quentusrex: use grep -a (to print the ASCII) |
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| 19:23.37 | misreckoning | hi, I have a major bug here - after I've updated my Debian lenny, seems that HAL or DBUS isn't working correctly |
| 19:23.48 | asg | misreckoning: check the bts |
| 19:24.09 | robyonrails | I have a problem.. |
| 19:24.09 | robyonrails | Qt headers not found! If you have installed Qt in an |
| 19:24.09 | robyonrails | unusual place, please use the "--with-qt-includes=" option |
| 19:24.18 | robyonrails | but I've installed a lot of qt packages.. |
| 19:24.20 | misreckoning | asg: bug tracking system I guess, OK, going ^^ |
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| 19:26.36 | Orbixx | I have network-manager on roaming mode for my wireless, now this connects to MOST wireless networks without a hitch, except for my own, which has WPA security enabled - I enter the correct key (yes, it's correct) and it returns to the prompt as if I had entered the incorrect key. If I change the security setting to say, WPA2 or WEP and use the same key, it will work until I restart the laptop, then will act as it did prior, refusing the key until I change th |
| 19:26.40 | Radhad8549 | hi |
| 19:26.49 | Radhad8549 | does soemone uses ushare? |
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| 19:29.14 | vedant | How do I put a debian system to sleep from the terminal? |
| 19:29.29 | raz0 | ACPI sleep? |
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| 19:30.18 | vedant | which command should I use? |
| 19:30.18 | raz0 | echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep perhaps? :) |
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| 19:30.38 | vedant | :P |
| 19:30.40 | raz0 | Oh wait I think that's deprecated. |
| 19:31.05 | raz0 | echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state |
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| 19:33.18 | vedant | Is a wrapper around the command better? Because I wouldn't know if my command gets deprecated except from the syslog. |
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| 19:35.15 | misreckoning | asg: well I couldn't find any answers there :/ I searched bts for "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied." which is the error message and found nothing :/ |
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| 19:38.47 | smacnay | Does anyone ever see this error on boot: usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 19:39.00 | smacnay | serious or just the machine sorting things out? |
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| 19:41.52 | zinx | smacnay: probably a misbehaved USB device |
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| 19:42.16 | smacnay | zinx: maybe the on-board card reader... |
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| 19:42.42 | zinx | smacnay: laptop? which one? |
| 19:43.08 | smacnay | zinx: no, desktop - a 3-1 card reader and floppy thingy |
| 19:43.19 | zinx | smacnay: hum, could be |
| 19:43.35 | smacnay | zinx: nothing else was plugged in on boot. |
| 19:43.38 | zinx | smacnay: shouldn't be too hard to find out which one is 2-2 :) |
| 19:44.40 | smacnay | zinx: interesting "lsusb" hangs |
| 19:44.44 | zinx | smacnay: cat /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2/{manufacturer,product} |
| 19:46.37 | smacnay | bbl |
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| 19:49.01 | bolt | I hate newsgroup posts as results to my google queries. About 50% of them are simply copies of what someone else said, with added >'s and no further info. Can anyone tell me why there are so bloody common? Not very on-topic but I'm trying to help myself to on-topic information here... |
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| 19:49.19 | bolt | s/there/they |
| 19:49.22 | petemc | not as bad as expert sexchange |
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| 19:50.33 | BitUnique | what do i have to add in the sources.list to install cedega? |
| 19:50.50 | abrotman | BitUnique: ask them, that's not part of Debian |
| 19:51.05 | bolt | still, how all those silly replies get spawned is beyond me. looks as if there's some unemployed fucktard who keeps pressing "reply", then "submit" to every single newsgroup he can find, without actually typing in anything |
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| 20:02.09 | ircleuser | have an install question: i need to install using dvds, but i only have two. can i just download the first dvd image, then download the rest of the packages? or do i need to go and buy another dvd |
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| 20:05.17 | pickcoder | ircleuser: you can't use the net install CD? |
| 20:05.29 | pickcoder | (which installs a base system BTW) |
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| 20:06.37 | ircleuser | for some reason the drive will not read cds but will read dvds, so no |
| 20:06.48 | ircleuser | can i burn a cd image onto a dvd? |
| 20:06.59 | smacnay | usb issue was that a line was plugged into the computer but not into the usb device - I am guessing noise and such gave me the errors |
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| 20:07.35 | pickcoder | ircleuser: no |
| 20:07.49 | pickcoder | I think the first DVD can be used to install the base install |
| 20:07.56 | pickcoder | I've never personally used them, though |
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| 20:09.18 | ircleuser | thanks, appreciate the advice |
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| 20:15.12 | larcen_ | hi all |
| 20:15.30 | sattam | larcen: welcome |
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| 20:16.14 | andypls1 | how can i check if a file exists, using bash? |
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| 20:16.51 | petemc | -e |
| 20:16.56 | stew | andypls1: if [ -e "filename" ]; then dosomething ; else dosimethingelse ; fi |
| 20:17.16 | stew | andypls1: or something like: test -e "filename" && dosomething; |
| 20:17.26 | sattam | file filename |
| 20:17.42 | petemc | file isnt part of bash |
| 20:18.12 | sattam | petemc: thanks |
| 20:18.26 | petemc | np |
| 20:18.35 | abrotman | or ask #bash! |
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| 20:22.55 | usersam | where else are websites likely to be set up rather than /var/www ? |
| 20:23.23 | usersam | I have just been given the password to this box http://89.16.175.41/ |
| 20:23.24 | stew | usersam: somewhere under /srv ? |
| 20:23.41 | usersam | I cannot find that damn page anywhere! |
| 20:23.55 | usersam | stew, thanks will check |
| 20:24.20 | stew | usersam: grep -ir documentroot /etc/apache /etc/apache2 |
| 20:24.59 | usersam | Thanks |
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| 20:25.18 | usersam | cd /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
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| 20:25.26 | usersam | whoops! |
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| 20:28.28 | f00bar80 | any experience regarding installing debian on MSI wind notebook ? |
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| 20:30.59 | abrotman | usersam: look in the apache config files instead of aimlessly wandering the disk |
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| 20:32.39 | kloppe | i am looking for the functionality of apt-cacher, combined with the ability to keep downloads for Debian Etch, Lenny, Sid and Ubuntu in a seperate mirror structure. could somebody give a few tips please? |
| 20:32.43 | ReKlipz1 | I'm trying to get compiz to run under debian lenny amd64 with an nVidia quadro 4500FX. Everytime I run it the script, compiz does it's checks, and then segfaults. http://pastebin.com/d31fbe92 |
| 20:33.30 | kloppe | ReKlipz1: have you checked bugs.debian.org if thats a known problem? |
| 20:33.58 | ReKlipz1 | kloppe, no I've not. |
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| 20:34.34 | bronaugh | so, I'm looking at building a deb-compatible kernel (2.6.28-rc3) |
| 20:35.05 | bronaugh | how should I go about doing that? with make-kpkg? |
| 20:35.27 | ReKlipz1 | kloppe: thanks, found a bug post that looks similar, will look into it |
| 20:35.40 | kloppe | welcome |
| 20:35.45 | abrotman | bronaugh: if it works on that kernel ,yes |
| 20:36.09 | bronaugh | abrotman: ok. the main thing is that I want it to use an initrd, have all the relevant kernel modules, and so on. |
| 20:36.24 | bronaugh | ie, behave like a stock deb kernel. |
| 20:36.38 | kloppe | bronaugh: you could use the /boot/.config* of the running kernel and feed that to make oldconfig |
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| 20:37.02 | abrotman | bronaugh: but you don't want to use the debian kernel you have? |
| 20:37.25 | bronaugh | abrotman: no, because there's a specific libata bug fix committed on 28 Oct which is in -rc3 |
| 20:37.31 | bronaugh | and I'm being bit by said bug. |
| 20:37.41 | abrotman | use DDT |
| 20:37.43 | ReKlipz1 | kloppe: looks like a required dependency is not specified in the metapackage |
| 20:37.47 | bronaugh | abrotman: thanks :P |
| 20:38.07 | kloppe | abrotman: DDT? |
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| 20:38.18 | bronaugh | kloppe: pesticide |
| 20:38.27 | kloppe | doh :D |
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| 20:39.37 | kloppe | some people should blog more about cool uses of tools like apt-cacher, debmirror, etc. :( |
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| 20:41.28 | Mordocai | Anyone know where i can find a list of Wireless G USB network adapters that have been tested to work fully with debian?(and preferably just linux in general)? |
| 20:42.12 | bronaugh | http://www.ehow.com/how_2002188_buy-wireless-card-thats-linux-compatible-as-well-as-windowsall-mac-usb-available-locally.html |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | Mordocai: wikipedia has a decent table/list |
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| 20:43.57 | abrotman | erm .. a table of drivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers |
| 20:44.16 | bronaugh | excellent. |
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| 20:46.46 | GeorgeS | Howdy folks, Could someone recommend a really good How-to for setting up Freeradius on a Lenny system? |
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| 20:47.17 | Mordocai | Well, my problem is my zd1211rw driver doesn't work well with linux right now... i think it may be a 64-bit only problem, though. It keeps shutting down on me, and i have to modprobe -r zd1211rw; modprobe zd1211rw to get it to work again... |
| 20:47.30 | Mordocai | Works fine on winblows... |
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| 20:49.29 | usersam | I give up with this server. Is there a way to just wipe it and start again? This is a virtual machine.. |
| 20:49.57 | Mordocai | usersam: Just start a new virtual machine... |
| 20:50.13 | usersam | it is a web host |
| 20:50.14 | charzero | What package gets me the image browser for the view modes in Konqueror? |
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| 20:50.24 | usersam | they provide 1 virtual machine |
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| 20:51.16 | Mordocai | usersam: Then should be able to mount an .iso over network connection maybe to reset it? I've only used local virtual machines... so not sure. |
| 20:52.56 | kloppe | usersam: your vserver provider should offer a re-install from their web interface |
| 20:53.10 | usersam | Ok thaks |
| 20:55.00 | extor | Is there a place where I can tell linux to start a driver when it boots up? Like "modprobe drivername"? I seem to remember there was a special directory/file where you could put in drivers you want to automagically start |
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| 20:55.20 | stew | extor: /etc/modules |
| 20:55.35 | kloppe | not /etc/udev? |
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| 20:55.51 | extor | um /etc/modutils maybe? |
| 20:55.57 | stew | extor: man modules |
| 20:56.35 | extor | I remember a long time ago loading the linux watchdog/softdog driver automatically but can't recall which file I edited to start it up... |
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| 21:01.00 | shezif | Hi everyone! I can't install "linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem". When I write "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" I've get this msg : "E: Package linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem has no installation candidate" |
| 21:01.08 | shezif | Anyone can help me? |
| 21:02.10 | shezif | someone here? |
| 21:02.18 | OpenTokix | shezif: did you do a apt-get update ? |
| 21:02.24 | shezif | Yep |
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| 21:02.51 | OpenTokix | shezif: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem <-- this is availiobe for me. - However I run unstable |
| 21:03.05 | shezif | I run lenny ... |
| 21:03.26 | shezif | this is strange , I need this pack to configure my Nvidia driver |
| 21:03.28 | OpenTokix | shezif: it should be availibe, if that is your urnning kernel |
| 21:04.23 | ArtVandalae | Hello, when mounting network shares (CIFS), is there a way to set a timeout period? So when the shares are unavailable the mount fails quickly, otherwise I have my client machines hanging for minutes. |
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| 21:05.05 | shezif | Sorry, This software was crashed |
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| 21:05.12 | shezif | what do you write? |
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| 21:06.57 | shezif | Its very strange, Because I'm working with the kernel but I can't work with the headers ... |
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| 21:08.29 | abrotman | shezif: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 21:08.33 | shezif | ok |
| 21:08.39 | abrotman | judd? |
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| 21:08.48 | shezif | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing maindeb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing maindeb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-freedeb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-freedeb ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/debian-multimedia/ testing main |
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| 21:08.52 | usersam | where should I look to track down the live webpage? here is some apache2.conf http://pastebin.ca/1244319 |
| 21:08.54 | abrotman | looks at stew |
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| 21:09.09 | abrotman | shezif: FWIW .. you're not running 'lenny' .. you're running 'esting' |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | 'testing' |
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| 21:09.33 | shezif | Testing is Lenny , Not? |
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| 21:09.43 | abrotman | currently it is .. but it won't be when lenny releases |
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| 21:10.28 | abrotman | shezif: and how much RAM do you ahve ? |
| 21:10.28 | shezif | so I'll change this to lenny and write apt-get update again ? |
| 21:10.33 | shezif | 4gb |
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| 21:10.51 | abrotman | the regular kernels can do 3.3GB (i suppose the same as -bigmem) |
| 21:11.25 | abrotman | shezif: in a pastebin .. apt-cache policy linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
| 21:11.47 | shezif | : Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem |
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| 21:12.21 | shezif | Do you think that I need to work with 2.6.26-1-686 without the big mem ? |
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| 21:12.37 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-686-bigmem/download |
| 21:12.39 | abrotman | they exist |
| 21:13.07 | shezif | When I try to install this from the http I get strange error |
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| 21:13.44 | SJr|Work | Anyone know of a non-kernel based way to do MASQUEREDING in Linux? |
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| 21:14.48 | shezif | dependency is not satisfiable: linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common |
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| 21:15.17 | usersam | I have a server with a live webpage. I cannot work out where apache is serving the page from. I have looked in apache2.conf I am a newbie and cannot figure it out. Could someone look at it please and give me a clue? http://pastebin.ca/1244331 |
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| 21:15.44 | shezif | Do you think that its more simply to work with the kernel 2.6.26-1 ? without the big mem ? |
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| 21:16.55 | keith4 | should I be concerned that dmesg on my router is filled with messages like: eth0: RX MAC fifo overflow smac[00810400] ? |
| 21:16.56 | petemc | usersam: look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 21:17.18 | usersam | in there is a file called default |
| 21:17.24 | Jemt | Locales are defined as ie en_US.CharSet - is 'en' defining the country and 'US' the language? Or opposite ? |
| 21:17.25 | gray-- | usersam: best place for a newbie to familiarise themselves with are the logs |
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| 21:17.29 | usersam | it is not the page being served |
| 21:17.55 | petemc | usersam: no, but it contains the directive to tell apache where that file is |
| 21:18.12 | shezif | need to go ... thank you for the help :-) |
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| 21:20.26 | keith4 | shezif: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, when you come back |
| 21:20.51 | petemc | SJr|Work: ip |
| 21:21.10 | SJr|Work | petemc? |
| 21:21.10 | petemc | SJr|Work: i should say, iproute2 |
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| 21:21.19 | SJr|Work | I don't really have any kernel modules to play with |
| 21:21.52 | usersam | petemc, where would that be please? This is /default |
| 21:22.24 | petemc | usersam: DocumentRoot |
| 21:23.08 | petemc | SJr|Work: ip route can do nat |
| 21:23.17 | SJr|Work | can it do it without require ipt_MASQUEREDE module |
| 21:24.16 | petemc | SJr|Work: i believe so, its not something ive used |
| 21:24.23 | SJr|Work | thanks |
| 21:24.39 | usersam | so .html files in /var/www should be visible online? I created test.htm in there and ran apache2 -k stop |
| 21:24.39 | usersam | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.49 | petemc | SJr|Work: http://linux-ip.net/html/ch-nat.html |
| 21:25.50 | SJr|Work | Hmmm it looks like it requires the kernel |
| 21:26.07 | f00bar80 | any experience regarding installing debian on MSI wind notebook ? |
| 21:26.08 | petemc | you dont have a kernel? |
| 21:26.46 | SJr|Work | no there is no kernel |
| 21:27.00 | petemc | how do you interface with your hardware? |
| 21:27.16 | SJr|Work | I don't interface with it |
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| 21:27.25 | petemc | what do you do, then? |
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| 21:27.37 | SJr|Work | I use my keyboard and mouse |
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| 21:27.47 | petemc | what tranlates what it says? |
| 21:27.55 | petemc | they say.. |
| 21:28.03 | SJr|Work | the keyboard controller |
| 21:28.28 | petemc | good luck with your problem |
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| 21:28.55 | pickcoder | pulls hair out |
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| 21:29.01 | cube | hi |
| 21:29.04 | SJr|Work | You type a key, and the keyboard controller writes it into a place in memory. When a program needs to check it it reads that place in memory like it would any other variable. It then rewrites it as a NULL character |
| 21:29.16 | SJr|Work | When you run out of memory the computer beeps because of the controller |
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| 21:29.28 | cube | I wanted to do an apt-get upgrade, but got: Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von: python-wxgtk2.6 |
| 21:29.29 | SJr|Work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Memory_Access |
| 21:29.31 | cube | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:29.34 | cube | how to fix this? |
| 21:29.46 | usersam | petemc, could you confirm that .html docs in /var/www should be visible on my server? Am i understanding you correctly? |
| 21:29.47 | SJr|Work | what is that error in english cube? |
| 21:29.52 | petemc | SJr|Work: debian needs a kernel, so this perhaps isnt where you should ask |
| 21:30.09 | petemc | usersam: if thats where your documentroot is |
| 21:30.24 | SJr|Work | hmmmm in any case this is a VM in Virtuzzo 4, I cannot add new modules to it and MASQUEREDE isn't supported it |
| 21:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | cube, you look what the exact error is... and avoid it/fix the script.... you could check in the BTS first, if this is reported, though |
| 21:30.30 | cesar_CR | hello guys... I have a server with 8G of RAM but cat /proc/meminfo only reports 4G what should I do ? |
| 21:30.37 | usersam | well that is what it says in the default file you directed me to |
| 21:30.39 | SJr|Work | cesar_CR what kind of processor |
| 21:30.46 | abrotman | cesar_CR: which kernel are you currently using ? |
| 21:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | cesar_CR, give the remaining 4GB to me? :) |
| 21:30.49 | SJr|Work | cesar_CR are you running a 64 bit OS? |
| 21:30.51 | cube | SJr|Work: errors came up when working on python-wxgtk2.6 |
| 21:30.54 | pickcoder | cesar_CR: the bigmem image should support 64GB |
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| 21:30.59 | usersam | however that does not seem to be the case |
| 21:31.05 | SJr|Work | cube did it say anything else, before that |
| 21:31.25 | cesar_CR | SJr|Work, Xeon , not 32bits |
| 21:31.28 | pickcoder | why do fax boards have to be such a pita to deal with.... |
| 21:31.30 | abrotman | cesar_CR: which kernel are you currently using ? |
| 21:31.36 | cube | SJr|Work: not rly |
| 21:31.39 | SJr|Work | cesar_CR are you running a 64 bit OS? |
| 21:31.42 | SJr|Work | not rly or no? |
| 21:31.56 | cesar_CR | SJr|Work, 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 21:32.02 | SJr|Work | That kernel is 32 bit |
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| 21:32.07 | cube | no, just standard things it says when doing upgrade |
| 21:32.08 | abrotman | cesar_CR: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 21:32.40 | cube | file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/wxversion.py |
| 21:32.46 | cube | k, this it says... |
| 21:32.52 | SJr|Work | So basically petemc I need a userspace app that listens on one nic in promiscuous mode, and then rewrites it on the other. |
| 21:33.05 | pickcoder | why would a PCIe modem board show up in dmesg but show corrupted output in minicom ( apart from BAUD mismatch) |
| 21:33.11 | SJr|Work | cube are you sure all the pre-requisites are installed |
| 21:33.57 | petemc | SJr|Work: are you sure you're problem is a new one that someone else hasnt solved? |
| 21:34.00 | cube | SJr|Work: actually apt should pull them, shouldn't it? |
| 21:34.02 | petemc | erm, your |
| 21:34.10 | abrotman | isn't that kind of like .. a router? |
| 21:34.32 | pickcoder | SJr|Work: that's called bridging |
| 21:35.00 | SJr|Work | pickcoder no it's not, I want them to rewrite the IP address and ports, and forward it. |
| 21:35.03 | pickcoder | abrotman: technically.. it's a hub since routers have logic |
| 21:35.12 | abrotman | close enough! |
| 21:35.17 | SJr|Work | abrotman is actually correct it's a router |
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| 21:35.24 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 21:35.24 | dpkg | gives abrotman a medal. |
| 21:35.34 | SJr|Work | It's neither a hub, nor a bridge |
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| 21:35.49 | ampex | SJr|Work: do you control the virtuozzo host? |
| 21:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | SJr|Work, that's called a NAT |
| 21:35.58 | SJr|Work | Yes I realize that |
| 21:36.02 | SJr|Work | that's what I asked for CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:36.13 | SJr|Work | no I don't but in theory I could get some new modules installed |
| 21:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | takes the prize from abrotman |
| 21:36.21 | SJr|Work | afaik though, ipt_MASQUEREDE is not supported. |
| 21:36.32 | SJr|Work | No CutMeOwnThroat this was in context, abrotman deserves the prize |
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| 21:36.40 | abrotman | thinks this is a lot of work for something that's already been done |
| 21:36.50 | ampex | SJr|Work: what do you need masquerade for? |
| 21:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sadly hands the medal back |
| 21:37.00 | ampex | SJr|Work: too much backscroll for me to go through |
| 21:37.01 | SJr|Work | I'd like to VPN into the instance and have NAT functionality |
| 21:37.08 | SJr|Work | It's a VPN |
| 21:37.10 | SJr|Work | errr VPS |
| 21:37.15 | ampex | SJr|Work: using what VPN software? |
| 21:37.17 | SJr|Work | OpenVPN |
| 21:37.43 | ampex | SJr|Work: can you get an openvpn link up at all? that requires your provider to be allowing you access to tun/tap devices |
| 21:37.50 | SJr|Work | I can get the openvpn link up |
| 21:38.06 | SJr|Work | it's not that my host sucks, it's that virtuosso doesn't support that module yet. |
| 21:38.26 | ampex | SJr|Work: it's up to your provider |
| 21:38.32 | ampex | SJr|Work: I think virtuozzo does support it |
| 21:38.39 | ampex | SJr|Work: openvz == virtuozzo for all intensive purposes |
| 21:38.41 | ampex | SJr|Work: http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=31784& |
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| 21:39.07 | ampex | SJr|Work: they need to enable iptable_nat for you |
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| 21:39.13 | SJr|Work | They did that ampex |
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| 21:39.33 | SJr|Work | And that solution doesn't actually work |
| 21:39.41 | ampex | says who? |
| 21:39.45 | SJr|Work | The thread |
| 21:39.59 | ampex | the solution works fine |
| 21:40.07 | SJr|Work | Where is the solution in the thread? |
| 21:40.10 | ampex | the last post is saying you can't make the change on your own without the provider's help |
| 21:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders if it's possible to hot-swap normal cdrom/dvd drives |
| 21:40.33 | SJr|Work | Hmmmmm I don't understand something |
| 21:40.42 | SJr|Work | what is the difference between the PREROUTING and the MASQUEREDE change |
| 21:40.44 | ampex | SJr|Work: "I totally forgot this. I've added iptable_nat parameter and everything is working fine, now." |
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| 21:40.55 | SJr|Work | chain* |
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| 21:41.19 | ampex | I don't think there is a masquerade chain, is there? |
| 21:41.48 | SJr|Work | errr whatever this does |
| 21:41.51 | SJr|Work | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:41.55 | SJr|Work | http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
| 21:42.00 | ampex | you don't have an eth0 in a container, do you? |
| 21:42.11 | SJr|Work | No I have veenet0 |
| 21:42.26 | ampex | so what happens when you run that command for venet0? |
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| 21:42.40 | SJr|Work | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 21:42.54 | SJr|Work | and it's referring to the MASQUERADE tabel |
| 21:43.01 | SJr|Work | errr chain/target/match |
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| 21:43.33 | ampex | I think your host needs to load ipt_MASQUERADE |
| 21:43.58 | SJr|Work | and that isn't possible |
| 21:44.03 | ampex | says who? |
| 21:44.11 | extor | If my remote box crashed due to suspected OOM pressure, which logs do I look at to figure out why it happened besides /var/log/messages ? |
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| 21:44.38 | extor | Oct 21 11:50:15 debian kernel: oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x201d2, order=0 <--- What is it doing here? |
| 21:44.39 | SJr|Work | http://forum.openvz.org/index.php?t=msg&goto=7703& |
| 21:44.41 | ampex | SJr|Work: I don't know much about virtuozzo, but I run a few openvz host nodes, and I know I can load ipt_MASQUERADE |
| 21:44.47 | rafuch0 | hi guys a question really quick i have a laptop here whit one realtek chip the one whit the usb thing well this chip is supported in the new kernel 2.6.27.4 i compile the kernel and the chip was detected i try to connect to a network and i grab ip addrs but i cant browse the web what cut be happenning here? |
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| 21:45.00 | joe1 | Hi there - I've built my first deb package using dpatch. All seems well and it seems to work great. I noticed though that I accidentally named my deb package with the same name as something else in the general etch repository |
| 21:45.05 | ampex | SJr|Work: that's old |
| 21:45.40 | joe1 | Is there some easy way (via deb) to create a new package which is just a name change for the old package I created ? |
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| 21:45.49 | SJr|Work | Hmmmm alright I'll have to look at this later |
| 21:45.51 | SJr|Work | thanks ampex |
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| 21:46.33 | ampex | SJr|Work: I just tested, it works fine |
| 21:46.39 | rafuch0 | any ideas? |
| 21:46.45 | ampex | SJr|Work: but your provider will need to modprobe ipt_MASQUERADE on the host |
| 21:46.47 | SJr|Work | ampex in the container not on the host |
| 21:46.50 | SJr|Work | ? |
| 21:46.54 | ampex | SJr|Work: yes, I just added the module in the host |
| 21:47.01 | ampex | SJr|Work: and afterwards I don't see the error in a contianer |
| 21:47.02 | ampex | container rather |
| 21:47.06 | SJr|Work | hmmmm |
| 21:47.11 | SJr|Work | Hmmmmm |
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| 21:47.16 | Tramp | rafuch0: do you have a default-GW set (netstat -nr, entry for 0.0.0.0 as destination) |
| 21:47.23 | SJr|Work | Alright I'll have to find more evidence of this though to email them |
| 21:47.27 | SJr|Work | thanks ampex |
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| 21:47.36 | ampex | SJr|Work: this is with the latest openvz, I can't promise they're using up to date virtuozzo kernels |
| 21:47.42 | SJr|Work | I tihnk 2.6.18 |
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| 21:48.02 | usersam | if this is the file 'default' ; http://pastebin.ca/1244334f ound in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 21:48.46 | ampex | SJr|Work: just e-mail them and specify that ipt_MASQUERADE needs to be loaded on the host |
| 21:48.48 | usersam | if this is the file 'default' ; http://pastebin.ca/1244334 found in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and artspace:/var/www/apache2-default# ls |
| 21:48.48 | usersam | apache_pb22_ani.gif apache_pb22.gif apache_pb22.png apache_pb.gif apache_pb.png index.html |
| 21:48.48 | usersam | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.58 | ampex | SJr|Work: if they won't do it then you can't do nat in your container |
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| 21:53.10 | noise-control | I hear that dalnet has a channel #debian |
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| 21:53.31 | erawfish | not an official channel noise-control |
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| 21:53.40 | erawfish | most big networks have a debian channel |
| 21:53.51 | noise-control | is there such thing as an official channel? |
| 21:53.53 | stew | and no networks have an official debian channel |
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| 21:53.57 | stew | noise-control: not really, no |
| 21:54.30 | erawfish | stew: irc.debian.org? |
| 21:54.33 | noise-control | well - the Dalnet community requested that I specifically mention their channel in a polite and honest way |
| 21:54.44 | erawfish | why would they spam? |
| 21:54.57 | noise-control | and I have done that |
| 21:55.00 | noise-control | now I go |
| 21:55.09 | erawfish | goodbye spammer |
| 21:55.24 | stew | noise-control: in the future, please only use this channel for support questions, not advertising other irc networks |
| 21:55.42 | noise-control | yes sir |
| 21:55.43 | hesco | How do I distinguish between a heavy load a DDoS attack? |
| 21:56.12 | hesco | And what channel on irc would be a good place to seek advice on that subject? |
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| 21:56.38 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.40 | stew | err |
| 21:56.51 | erawfish | hesco: load in what way? |
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| 21:57.40 | hesco | I'm running a site on a dedicated twin-processer server which is failing to serve my site at the moment. |
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| 21:58.08 | hesco | Its a LAMP stack, running apache2, mysql and php and perl scripts. |
| 21:58.14 | hesco | on a Debian OS. |
| 21:58.22 | erawfish | on what debian OS? |
| 21:58.44 | hesco | Etch, I would guess. Its been about four months or so since I built this. |
| 21:58.58 | erawfish | dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 21:58.58 | dpkg | ii libc6 |tail -1 2.9-11.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:59.05 | erawfish | hesco: use this to check |
| 21:59.09 | hesco | When I checked in earlier the load avg was topping 55. |
| 21:59.16 | extor | Where does OOM-Killer write it's logs? |
| 21:59.35 | erawfish | extor: syslog |
| 21:59.37 | stew | hesco: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 21:59.54 | extor | hmm its logging in syslog is kinda cryptic |
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| 22:00.10 | hesco | top says I'm using 1.5gb of swap |
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| 22:00.39 | erawfish | hesco: you have 1,5GB or use 1,5GB? |
| 22:01.00 | stew | hesco: the load is likely due to swapping causing too many processes trying to use the disk (via swap) at the same time |
| 22:01.03 | noise-control | one more thing |
| 22:01.11 | hesco | I have 1gb of physical and 4gb of swap, I'm using 1.5 gb of swap |
| 22:01.14 | noise-control | all are welcome there |
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| 22:01.38 | hesco | Load avg now 57+, has been 85 in the previous 15 minutes |
| 22:01.41 | stew | noise-control: you've been silenced for being off-topic, feel free to /msg me if you decide you have anything on-topic for this channel |
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| 22:02.58 | hesco | I get /etc/debian_version saying 4.0 |
| 22:03.01 | extor | http://pastebin.ca/1244366 <--- How do I figure out what caused my OOM condition from this log? |
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| 22:03.49 | erawfish | hesco: that's not what I asked |
| 22:03.49 | kloppe | i am looking for the functionality of apt-cacher, combined with the ability to keep downloads for Debian Etch, Lenny, Sid and Ubuntu in a seperate mirror structure. could somebody give a few tips please? |
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| 22:04.50 | hesco | erawfish: you asked: <erawfish> hesco: you have 1,5GB or use 1,5GB?, I responded: I have 1gb of physical and 4gb of swap, I'm using 1.5 gb of swap |
| 22:05.53 | erawfish | extor: your kernel. this is a kernel oops due to OOM |
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| 22:05.53 | erawfish | hesco: I asked you to run a command beginning with dpkg |
| 22:05.53 | kloppe | hesco: you should stop a few programs that consume physical memory so the swap usage gets low |
| 22:05.53 | abrotman | kloppe: you check apt-cacher,apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy and approx ? |
| 22:06.13 | kloppe | abrotman: yes, but all of these tools have 1 feature that i like, but are missing a feature of the other one |
| 22:07.04 | extor | erawfish, but how was it caused? I mean...how can a box just run out of memory for no reason? |
| 22:07.06 | kloppe | abrotman: and i cant believe many people use apt-cacher and are satisfied that it collects all downloads in 1 directory |
| 22:07.19 | stew | kloppe: what's wrong with it all going into one directory? |
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| 22:07.29 | extor | kloppe, is there a place where I can choose which programs get shut down first? |
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| 22:07.52 | kloppe | stew: it takes ages to pull snapshots of it to cdrom |
| 22:07.55 | erawfish | extor: no. last one allocating memory which fails gets closed. and it is your KERNEL that does it |
| 22:07.55 | moshisushi | i have a problem with wine in lenny.. i get no fonts in the GUIs, not even in winecfg |
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| 22:08.04 | moshisushi | any know problem with that wine package? |
| 22:08.08 | hesco | yes, I did that. It advised that I run vmstat. I did so and I am absolutely swapping fairly heavily |
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| 22:08.31 | extor | erawfish, well I guess I am trying to figure out who or what caused this OOM failure--so I can prevent it in the future. This is on a remote web server btw |
| 22:08.40 | kloppe | extor: i think you can customize that with ulimit and sorts |
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| 22:09.01 | WildCaterpillar | i have /usr/lib/sse2/atlas/liblapack.so.3gf.0 but also /usr/lib/sse2/liblapack_atlas.so.3gf.0 |
| 22:09.03 | erawfish | extor: check what uses the most memory |
| 22:09.05 | WildCaterpillar | what is the difference? |
| 22:09.10 | extor | kloppe, so did OOM-Killer shut down sshd, apache, crond all at the same time? |
| 22:09.11 | WildCaterpillar | and which is the 'real' atlas |
| 22:09.16 | haxi | how can I know my cpu temperature? |
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| 22:09.27 | hesco | ps aux | grep apache2 | wc -l reveals 152 child processes on the web server. |
| 22:09.30 | erawfish | WildCaterpillar: a path? check where each comes from |
| 22:09.42 | stew | haxi: try "acpi -t" |
| 22:09.46 | kloppe | extor: no, usually the least active process gets killed in a OOM condition |
| 22:09.49 | extor | kloppe, is there a way to run sshd in "realtime" to make sure it never gets zapped? |
| 22:09.52 | WildCaterpillar | those are the physical locations....i don't know what the difference in functionality is |
| 22:09.55 | erawfish | hesco: that could be a DDOS attack on your apache. check it what they do |
| 22:10.11 | erawfish | WildCaterpillar: do what I told you? |
| 22:10.17 | haxi | stew: mh, Battery 0: Full, 100%, rate information unavailable, design capacity 6000 mAh |
| 22:10.24 | extor | kloppe, ahhh ok...so sshd and crond being so inactive probably got killed first while the real culprit--apache--got killed last and hence my box was inacessible? |
| 22:10.35 | erawfish | haxi: lm-sensors, mbmon |
| 22:10.40 | WildCaterpillar | erawfish: can you be more specific...sorry a bit confused |
| 22:10.44 | kloppe | extor: i would switch the logic around and make a list of processes that tend to consume too much memory and apply limits to those |
| 22:10.54 | erawfish | WildCaterpillar: check what packages installed those files |
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| 22:11.17 | extor | kloppe, only apache and mod_perl do that--I already know where the problem is I guess now |
| 22:11.27 | kloppe | extor: appplying memory limits to apache would be one way |
| 22:11.40 | erawfish | extor: find the URLs that cause the problem |
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| 22:12.10 | ena-smith | hello. I'm trying to get my debian box to join a sme-server plain jane domain. anyone familiar with sme-server |
| 22:12.13 | sono | hi |
| 22:12.46 | WildCaterpillar | how can i query dpkg to tell me which package provides a liblapack_atlas.so.3gf.0 |
| 22:12.46 | kloppe | extor: i just see that apache itself has a module for limiting resources |
| 22:12.54 | extor | erawfish, hrmm....like looking into apache logs. I would much rather just find a way to make sure sshd and crond are NEVER KILLED by the oom-killer |
| 22:12.55 | erawfish | WildCaterpillar: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:13.01 | hesco | I know there is a heavy load on the server, that it is swapping. My question is: how do I distinguish between a heavy load from legitimate traffic and a DDoS attack? |
| 22:13.05 | erawfish | extor: you can't |
| 22:13.10 | ena-smith | I have read the Mepis wiki for joing the domain to the t but it just plain doesn't work |
| 22:13.16 | erawfish | hesco: I told you |
| 22:13.37 | extor | erawfish, what if I nice apache...or configure oom-killer to never touch crond or sshd? |
| 22:13.40 | erawfish | if it's a DDOS, limiting won't work; the DDOS simply crowds out legit traffic then |
| 22:13.49 | erawfish | extor: it does not work. |
| 22:13.55 | stoned | hola |
| 22:14.12 | kloppe | erawfish: depends |
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| 22:14.47 | kloppe | but his problem could also be caused by a crawler bot that went crazy |
| 22:14.49 | erawfish | kloppe: apache doesn't know what's legit and what is malicous. so no, it doesn't depend |
| 22:14.58 | erawfish | for apache it's just a connection like any |
| 22:15.00 | erawfish | other |
| 22:15.07 | erawfish | i said IF it is a DDOS |
| 22:15.35 | erawfish | and he doesn't know if it's a crawler or a DDOS until he checks it's not a DDOS |
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| 22:15.57 | JPT | there is not much you can do against a DDOS... |
| 22:16.08 | stew | sure there is. it depends on the nature of the DDoS though |
| 22:16.10 | erawfish | well he can fix his website |
| 22:16.15 | kloppe | sure, you can phone the upstream ISP to nullroute the offender |
| 22:16.22 | petemc | s |
| 22:16.28 | WildCaterpillar | so libatlas3gf-sse2 provides both /usr/lib/sse2/atlas/liblapack.so.3gf.0 and /usr/lib/sse2/liblapack_atlas.so.3gf.0 ....so how do i figure out what each is for? |
| 22:16.29 | erawfish | e.g. most website DDOS works by exploiting a mem or cpu intensive task and call it over and over again |
| 22:16.32 | JPT | the first D stands for "distributed" |
| 22:16.36 | erawfish | he can limit _that_ in the web app |
| 22:16.45 | JPT | hmm....thats possible |
| 22:17.09 | JPT | but if there are thousands of bots just randomly accessing his website / server, the machine will go down... |
| 22:17.19 | JPT | maybe a cluster can stand it |
| 22:17.19 | kloppe | ok, so let us all say the 3-4 things we know about distributed denial of service attacks |
| 22:17.19 | stew | right. like when you find out that they are able to DoS your server becuase SOME url they are hitting is expensive, you can make that url less expensive and thwart the ddos |
| 22:17.28 | kloppe | so we can move on |
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| 22:19.35 | pickcoder | you can also limit bandwidth usage using something like cband |
| 22:19.51 | erawfish | pickcoder: no |
| 22:20.30 | erawfish | not with DDOS that targets the website directly. and a DDOS will always crowd out legit traffic then. users aren't happy if the site errors on every other request they make |
| 22:20.51 | haxi | erawfish: how can I start mbmon daemon? |
| 22:20.54 | erawfish | a direkt networkt DDOS you can only fix with the help of your ISP. |
| 22:20.58 | stew | erawfish: no, a DDOS does not alwasy crowd out legit traffic |
| 22:21.37 | erawfish | stew: well, DDOS is more traffic than the legit one usually. and even if not: it's enough when it only makes half oif the connections fail |
| 22:22.12 | clrtxt | how risky would it be to shrink my home parition with gparted? |
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| 22:22.36 | stew | clrtxt: not risky if you have an up to date backup |
| 22:22.42 | erawfish | so risky you should always make a backup first. but: most problems arise due to user error not software error |
| 22:22.43 | wintix | how would one get pictures from a canon eos 20d connected via usb? Bus 003 Device 019: ID 04a9:30eb Canon, Inc. EOS 20D |
| 22:22.56 | clrtxt | stew: well said. but I'm curious about the reliability of the software |
| 22:23.04 | wintix | Bus 003 Device 019: ID 04a9:30eb Canon, Inc. EOS 20D but no storage device comes out :/ |
| 22:23.05 | erawfish | wintix: can you mount it? |
| 22:23.13 | erawfish | wintix: check dmesg |
| 22:23.36 | wintix | erawfish: no, it just detects as high speed device, but no storage device like sdb comes out of it |
| 22:23.37 | pickcoder | clrtxt: I've done it before with no ill effects but shrinking any file system is risky |
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| 22:27.07 | pickcoder | erawfish: content size is content size, regardless if it's a ddos or not. If you can establish a base line for typical browsing then you can set rules to throttle requests based on that base line |
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| 22:28.03 | kloppe | i think i get me some beer and simply forget about this mirror stuff for another week |
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| 22:28.32 | kloppe | gcbirzan: i just said "beer" and you join :D |
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| 22:28.48 | Copelia | Bonjours |
| 22:28.59 | Copelia | Quelqu'un peut m'aider, j'ai une question |
| 22:29.05 | kloppe | !fr |
| 22:29.06 | dpkg | it has been said that fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:29.06 | stew | !fr |
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| 22:29.25 | Copelia | !fr |
| 22:29.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:29.48 | pickcoder | meh.. all that work getting 2.6.28 on Etch and the boards still don't work |
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| 22:30.05 | kloppe | pickcoder: which ones? |
| 22:30.17 | pickcoder | fax boards from Mainpine |
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| 22:31.09 | kloppe | i would mail their support and see what official statement they give why their stuff wont work with linux |
| 22:31.30 | kloppe | and the blog about it :P |
| 22:31.41 | pickcoder | I'm corresponding with the senior tech already |
| 22:32.20 | pickcoder | the OEM for the original IQExpress boards dropped the chip they were using |
| 22:32.24 | pickcoder | so they had to redesign the series |
| 22:32.25 | kloppe | pickcoder: and he said the 2.6.28-RC3 would work? |
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| 22:32.48 | pickcoder | the patches were approved by Alan and included in 2.6.28-RC1 |
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| 22:32.57 | pickcoder | unfortunately they don't work on my box |
| 22:33.19 | pickcoder | using a vanilla kernel with the Debian config |
| 22:33.20 | kloppe | pickcoder: do you have a chance to test the setup with lenny? |
| 22:33.33 | pickcoder | lenny won't make a difference |
| 22:33.39 | kloppe | for sure? |
| 22:33.42 | pickcoder | the problem is in the 8250 drivers |
| 22:33.56 | kloppe | ah, ok. if you already know its only the drivers |
| 22:34.08 | pickcoder | dmesg is throwing errors at boot-up |
| 22:34.14 | pickcoder | minicom and cu hang |
| 22:34.27 | pickcoder | it supposedly worked with Fedora's 2.6.28 release |
| 22:35.08 | kloppe | now i am curious if that is their kernel patch or different versions of involved software |
| 22:35.52 | pickcoder | a PCI ID update and a vendor check was the patch for the most part |
| 22:36.58 | pickcoder | the original IQExpress series causes IRQ overloading on Etch and probably Lenny too since it's only up to .26 right now |
| 22:37.24 | kloppe | i am not much in those details to be of use |
| 22:37.33 | GeorgeS | I'm trying to setup freeradius on a lenny system.Could someone tell me where to find the file to setup the "tables" for the mysql database?I've looked in /usr/share/doc/freeradius/examples/ and the file mentioned in the how-to (mysql.sql) is not there. |
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| 22:38.23 | BitUnique | i just installed debian daily build, and im trying to install the nvidia drivers. do i simply follow the direction given under "Use module-asistant (lenny)" in http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 22:38.55 | BitUnique | my graphics card is a geforce 8600m gs |
| 22:38.58 | kloppe | GeorgeS: did you install the package freeradius-mysql? |
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| 22:39.06 | GeorgeS | kloppe: yes |
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| 22:40.04 | abrotman | BitUnique: did you enable contrib and non-free repositories? |
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| 22:41.00 | BitUnique | abrotman: yes |
| 22:41.32 | kloppe | GeorgeS: please have a look of that link helps you: http://smallwhitecube.com/php/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=howto:freeradius-mysql |
| 22:42.29 | kloppe | uhhh, i type like i had my beers already |
| 22:43.06 | BitUnique | abrotman: so, i am just to follow those direction in that wiki and i should be all good then? |
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| 22:43.29 | abrotman | BitUnique: i'd guess so, i haven't read them |
| 22:44.14 | kloppe | BitUnique: all 3 methods that are described in the wiki work for me |
| 22:44.23 | GeorgeS | kloppe: that does look helpful but, I still don't have that file to setup the mysql DB. |
| 22:44.50 | kloppe | GeorgeS: no file, that describes how you do it manually |
| 22:44.51 | BitUnique | kloppe: which one is the most fool proof? :P |
| 22:45.15 | kloppe | BitUnique: the way with the module assistant |
| 22:45.32 | BitUnique | kloppe: allright, i'll give that a go then. thanks |
| 22:45.46 | kloppe | BitUnique: but keep in mind to repeat this step when you get a new kernel version |
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| 22:46.13 | BitUnique | kloppe: ok |
| 22:46.21 | FastPutty | hello someone could help me with a problem, i tried to instal a application but it has conflict wiyth another version which cannot be unistall |
| 22:46.24 | FastPutty | someone could help me out |
| 22:46.42 | kloppe | BitUnique: if you forget it your xserver will complain :) |
| 22:46.58 | stew | FastPutty: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 22:47.16 | hesco | ok, erawfish: It took five minutes to return a result (at a load of 160+, now), but here it is: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:48.03 | hesco | right now I'm waiting on my command to kill the db and apache servers to return |
| 22:48.11 | amphi | FastPutty: how did you get into this situation? |
| 22:48.16 | MatBoy | is there a way not to copy all dirs and files to the user his homedir for a jail ? |
| 22:48.22 | FastPutty | stew: here my pastebin Someone could help me to fix this probleme: http://pastebin.ca/1244414 |
| 22:48.29 | GeorgeS | kloppe: one of the first few steps tells me to do this "cat mysql.sql | mysql -u radius_user -p radius_db" and I don't have the mysql.sql and I've looked for mysql.sql.gz also |
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| 22:48.39 | abrotman | FastPutty: ask #ubuntu |
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| 22:49.07 | FastPutty | i installed a .deb and now cannot get it work anymore |
| 22:49.26 | FastPutty | debian deb |
| 22:49.33 | kloppe | GeorgeS: does it show when you do something like: find / -name mysql.sql |
| 22:49.41 | abrotman | FastPutty: you're using ubuntu packages, ask #ubuntu |
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| 22:51.05 | GeorgeS | kloppe: nope. I tried locate also(after an updatedb) I can't find the file anywhere and I don't want to just grab it off the net and get the wrong one |
| 22:52.36 | MatBoy | weird, I thought it was also possible to mount the dirs you need for a jail |
| 22:52.36 | kloppe | GeorgeS: please check bugs.debian.org for that freeradius thing if somebody else reported that problem already |
| 22:52.58 | GeorgeS | kloppe: ok. thanks for your help |
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| 22:53.15 | kloppe | GeorgeS: sorry that i cant take you further |
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| 22:55.09 | BitUnique | kloppe: you know that Validation Error bug they mention in the wiki right? |
| 22:55.09 | GeorgeS | kloppe: not your fault radius is a pita :) |
| 22:55.36 | GeorgeS | no bugs found for that file :( |
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| 22:55.55 | BitUnique | Kohlrabi: i get that when i type nvidia-xconfig, but when i try to rerun the command like they tell me to in the wiki, i get the same error again. is this normal? |
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| 22:57.09 | stew | GeorgeS: that type of thing would typically go into /usr/share/doc/$packagename/examples if it is distributed ; of course, checkout /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian if it exists |
| 22:57.15 | bahram | hi, my /lib/libc.so.6 is removed, and any command not work, who to idea for fix this problem !? |
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| 22:58.14 | stew | bahram: how was it removed? were other things removed with it? |
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| 22:58.35 | GeorgeS | stew: That's where I've been looking /usr/share/doc/freeradius/examples is where it's supposed to be |
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| 22:59.25 | kloppe | GeorgeS: i dont even know exactly what nice things freeradius is supposed to do :) |
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| 22:59.56 | ivantis | who is an op here, besides debhelper and ChanServ? |
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| 22:59.59 | ivantis | !ops |
| 22:59.59 | dpkg | somebody said ops was Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 23:00.02 | GeorgeS | kloppe: it creates more grey hair and makes you drink heavily :) |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | ivantis: no, you cannot log this channel |
| 23:00.36 | ivantis | okay |
| 23:00.40 | abrotman | stop asking |
| 23:00.42 | MatBoy | is it possible to auth a jail against a MySQL DB ? |
| 23:00.51 | kloppe | GeorgeS: haha, so its worse than ldap on its own? |
| 23:01.23 | bahram | stew, i did a mistake i moved /lib/libc.so.6 to /lib/libc.so.7 |
| 23:01.25 | GeorgeS | kloppe: much worse.I need for a wifi hotspot though |
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| 23:02.13 | kloppe | wifi makes me run in general. and i wont accept any job that forces me to touch it |
| 23:02.18 | MatBoy | ivantis: you can log this channel with your client |
| 23:02.30 | ivantis | i mean making the logs public |
| 23:02.36 | abrotman | no he cannot make those logs public |
| 23:02.38 | MatBoy | ivantis: you can also do that |
| 23:02.42 | MatBoy | abrotman: he can |
| 23:02.42 | ivantis | and its a question that i need to ask an op about |
| 23:02.46 | ivantis | network policy |
| 23:02.50 | abrotman | MatBoy: NO .. it's against channel policy |
| 23:03.02 | MatBoy | abrotman: oh in that way, but technically he can ;) |
| 23:03.12 | ivantis | i could do anything i wanted to |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | and if he is caught, he can be removed from the channel |
| 23:03.17 | ivantis | but that doesnt make it right |
| 23:03.25 | ivantis | or removed from the network |
| 23:03.28 | BitUnique | allright, i went through the lenny module assit wiki for nvidia drivers. and it fails me. im no unable to get into xorg, the output is "Failed to load module type1 & nvidia" Module does not excist. Also, "No drivers available" what gives? |
| 23:03.41 | MatBoy | abrotman: I think itÅ fun how much channel log copies are out there using google :D |
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| 23:03.57 | abrotman | ivantis: so i told you yesterday, and i told you today (and I am a chanop), you should not violate channel policy and make logs public |
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| 23:03.58 | ivantis | is there a policy against IRC stats? |
| 23:04.03 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 23:04.03 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 23:04.13 | ivantis | abrotman: you told me yesterday? |
| 23:04.16 | ivantis | i dont remember |
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| 23:04.25 | abrotman | ivantis: yes, because you showed me the site |
| 23:04.32 | ivantis | oh right |
| 23:04.41 | BitUnique | anyone? |
| 23:04.42 | ivantis | sry for a disturbance again |
| 23:04.45 | MatBoy | I ask myself what the issue could be |
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| 23:05.00 | ivantis | matboy: the issue with public logs? |
| 23:05.05 | MatBoy | ivantis: indeed |
| 23:05.13 | ivantis | its so that people can say what they like without being recorded |
| 23:05.14 | MatBoy | I think this channel has nothing to hide |
| 23:05.22 | yatch | volume here is too low. is there a way to raise it? the alsamixer thing is at the max already. |
| 23:05.24 | bahram | stew, can help me? |
| 23:05.28 | MatBoy | they are recorded for sure |
| 23:05.30 | ivantis | does it not make you uncomfortable when someone has a tape recorder? |
| 23:05.34 | abrotman | MatBoy: the channel users don't know .. would you mind if your phone company published logs of your phone calls? |
| 23:05.59 | abrotman | ivantis: anyways, you have your answer, can we drop the subject? |
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| 23:06.04 | MatBoy | abrotman: they can't because I have such a contract with them, and at the other side... I don't have anything to hide :) |
| 23:06.07 | ivantis | We would like to remind |
| 23:06.07 | ivantis | * - you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the |
| 23:06.07 | ivantis | * - network is prohibited. Public channel logging should only |
| 23:06.07 | ivantis | * - take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this |
| 23:06.08 | ivantis | * - and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are |
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| 23:06.08 | kloppe | BitUnique: did you proceed to step 2 of the wiki page? |
| 23:06.23 | GeorgeS | lol |
| 23:06.28 | abrotman | MatBoy: if you say so, end of discussion |
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| 23:06.40 | MatBoy | abrotman: indeed :) nice huh :) |
| 23:06.45 | abrotman | end of discussion |
| 23:06.51 | ivantis | ah! |
| 23:06.54 | ivantis | what did i miss? |
| 23:06.57 | MatBoy | !last word |
| 23:06.57 | dpkg | methinks someone's after the Last Word(tm) in this conversation |
| 23:07.02 | MatBoy | :D |
| 23:07.06 | MatBoy | hehe, it knows it |
| 23:07.21 | ivantis | !what did i miss? |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | leave the bot alone |
| 23:07.44 | MatBoy | huh ? |
| 23:07.50 | MatBoy | since when are we guided here ? |
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| 23:07.57 | BitUnique | kloppe: i do believe i completed all the steps. the last thing i did before rebooting was nvidia-xconfigure |
| 23:08.04 | deadcat | i am trying to get nfsv4 to share /home with diff users, having problem with permission (same UIDs on both machines) |
| 23:08.08 | MatBoy | the bot is there, so use it |
| 23:08.58 | bahram | my /lib/libc.so.6 is removed, and any command not work, who to idea for fix this problem !? |
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| 23:09.12 | abrotman | bahram: how did you manage that? |
| 23:09.13 | kloppe | BitUnique: you did "m-a a-i nvidia"? |
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| 23:09.42 | bahram | abrotman, i did a mistake i moved /lib/libc.so.6 to /lib/libc.so.7 |
| 23:09.52 | MatBoy | hehe, quite simple answer indeed :) |
| 23:09.59 | jamon | bahram: boot a live distro and move it back |
| 23:10.12 | MatBoy | yeah, should work indeed |
| 23:10.16 | jens_ | I'm setting up a samba share, so that my wife can access the server files from here windows laptop.. however, I'm getting an access denied error when trying to access the samba share.. I added her user to the server, and created a password on both server and with smbpasswd .. what else am I missing? |
| 23:10.23 | abrotman | bahram: so move it back ? |
| 23:10.24 | bahram | jamon, but this server and can not insert one disk :D |
| 23:10.33 | abrotman | bahram: start 'busybox' ? |
| 23:10.35 | MatBoy | jens_: maybe a computer account ? |
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| 23:10.42 | MatBoy | I thought it was not needed anymore btw |
| 23:10.43 | jamon | bahram: kvm time then |
| 23:10.53 | kloppe | jens_: did you enable encrypted passwords in the samba config and reload the config? |
| 23:10.55 | bahram | busybox: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: file too short |
| 23:11.00 | bahram | abrotman, ^ |
| 23:11.04 | BitUnique | kloppe: the wiki said to do m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 23:11.19 | kloppe | BitUnique: sorry, yes "a-i" is short for "auto-install" |
| 23:11.20 | jens_ | matboy: yeah, she's got an account on the server |
| 23:11.33 | BitUnique | kloppe: then, yes, i did that |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | bahram: you may need a bash builtin .. |
| 23:11.56 | jens_ | kloppe: not sure about the encrypted password.. I reloaded the config tho |
| 23:12.02 | BitUnique | kloppe: i did every single step in the wiki. that i am sure of. |
| 23:12.03 | kloppe | BitUnique: and now when you "modprobe nvidia" you get the prompt back without an error? |
| 23:12.14 | BitUnique | kloppe: let me try |
| 23:12.39 | kloppe | jens_: search in the samba config for a section that mentions encrypted passwords that are required for certain windows clients |
| 23:12.48 | antgel | okay, i've got a server to administer. i adminned it years ago, and gave it up because i stopped doing support, but my successor neglected it and now it's somewhat broken. i used exim and courier, being a debian default kind of guy. he installed postfix and cyrus-imap, which look okay and complicated as hell respectively. it's a small site, 10 users, some rather large mailboxes (30K messages). any thoughts on whether i should think ab |
| 23:13.00 | antgel | without wanting to start any holy wars, of course |
| 23:13.07 | BitUnique | kloppe: yes, it modprobed with no errors |
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| 23:13.19 | MatBoy | jens_: her computer also ? |
| 23:13.21 | antgel | it does seem to me that exim is only big in the debian world - having said that i've grown used to it |
| 23:13.24 | jamon | bahram: good LD_PRELOAD, might help |
| 23:13.27 | jens_ | kloppe: I got this in Global parameters.. "encrypt passwords = yes" |
| 23:13.30 | jamon | s/good/google |
| 23:13.48 | kloppe | BitUnique: but when you startx you still get that error about a missing nvidia module? |
| 23:14.00 | bahram | jamon, hmm, thanks friend |
| 23:14.02 | kloppe | jens_: ah, then i dunno what the problem is |
| 23:14.15 | jens_ | MatBoy: yeah, it's her default login name and the password she provides when logging on to her laptop |
| 23:14.27 | BitUnique | kloppe: yes. but should i have done modprobe nvidia before i did startx after following the wiki_ |
| 23:14.31 | BitUnique | ? |
| 23:14.38 | jens_ | kloppe: cool, thanks for the effort tho |
| 23:15.02 | kloppe | BitUnique: yep :) |
| 23:15.06 | BitUnique | kloppe: lol. ok |
| 23:15.11 | jens_ | I don't have to create a "samba user" do I? I mean, a regular user and then a samba password is enough right? |
| 23:15.11 | abrotman | antgel: they're roughly the same .. i use postfix+cyrus |
| 23:15.19 | BitUnique | kloppe: it didnt say anything about that. i assumed it added the module to load at boot :p |
| 23:15.52 | MatBoy | jens_: the PC itself needs a account too |
| 23:15.55 | antgel | abrotman: you weren't the guy adminning this server were you? :-O |
| 23:16.03 | kloppe | that wiki page would do better if split in smaller pieces so you dont get lost so easily |
| 23:16.13 | jens_ | MatBoy: yeah, it's got that |
| 23:16.13 | abrotman | antgel: i find postfix much easier .. i would rather be using courier or dovecot, but the cyrus shared maildir at the time was much better |
| 23:16.18 | MatBoy | jens_: ok |
| 23:16.27 | bahram | jamon, Ohhh, very thanks !, fixed problem :D |
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| 23:16.29 | jamon | bahram: i think something like "LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libc.so.7 cp /lib/libc.so.7 /lib/libc.so.6" might work for you |
| 23:16.35 | jamon | heh, great to hear :) |
| 23:16.47 | antgel | put it this way, when i did a web search, i found lots of links explaining courier->cyrus, but nothing migrating the other way |
| 23:17.02 | bahram | jamon, thanks |
| 23:17.23 | abrotman | antgel: they're both maildir-ish .. but cyrus has some extra bits for caching and sharing IIRC |
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| 23:17.57 | antgel | abrotman: yeah. i don't even get what a shared maildir is, i'm such a philistine. they /do/ have a shared maildir in this cyrus installation - i was there today and saw it. but courier does that as well? |
| 23:18.02 | abrotman | and cyrus requires a bit more setup on the postfix side .. been awhile since i set it all up |
| 23:18.33 | antgel | i just understood that cyrus was useful in really massive enterprise installs - which i'm not sure this is. |
| 23:18.43 | jens_ | MatBoy: I can access the samba share from my Linux desktop, so Im wondering if its a permissions issue? Im the owner of the files on the server |
| 23:18.47 | abrotman | antgel: difference being(in etch anyway) that with courier, the admin has to setup the shared dirs, and all subdirs (IIRC), and with cyrus, the admin just sets up the base one and the users go nuts! |
| 23:18.51 | jamon | antgel: how many shared users and messages? |
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| 23:19.45 | abrotman | antgel: bbiab |
| 23:19.49 | antgel | jamon: i haven't got that data yet - i'll get it soon. i don't think it's > 100K messages :) |
| 23:19.50 | jamon | using dovecot, have a shared account with work between 15 simultaneous users and 15-20k messages per maildir |
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| 23:20.14 | jamon | multiple maildirs with that many messages in fact |
| 23:20.17 | kloppe | jens_: the user account of your wife should be in your group and your group needs read+execute permissions for the directories and read permissions for the files |
| 23:20.25 | BitUnique | kloppe: i got bad news. what i did after i finised the wiki. i rebooted and i got told the modules does not excist. so i changed my xorg.conf driver to nv so i could get into X. i then came here and you told me to do modprobe nvidia, so i quit X edited my xorg back to nvidia, did modprobe nvidia and start x, but it still tells me module does not excist. |
| 23:20.26 | sobersabre | hi guys. does anybody know a graphic card which resides on 1 PCIe bus, and has 2 PCI-IDs ? |
| 23:20.31 | jamon | may not scale to 100k, can't tell, but no reason i can see that it wouldn't |
| 23:20.31 | plb_ | anyone familiar with database normalization care to help me out? |
| 23:20.45 | sobersabre | I mean at least a dual head, with 2 display outlets. |
| 23:20.49 | sobersabre | and 2 PCI IDs |
| 23:20.52 | kloppe | BitUnique: oh |
| 23:21.25 | jens_ | kloppe: hmm, fair enough.. so, if my login is "doh" and my wife's login is "doubledoh" the login "doubledoh" needs to be in the group "doh" ? :) |
| 23:21.45 | antgel | jamon: the thing is, i see no reason why courier wouldn't. the hardware is pretty hot. |
| 23:21.54 | kloppe | jens_: thats the easiest solution :) |
| 23:21.56 | BitUnique | kloppe: should i go through the wiki steps once more, and do modprobe nvidia before i reboot this time? |
| 23:21.58 | themill | BitUnique: you've installed the nvidia-glx package, haven't you? |
| 23:22.06 | BitUnique | themill: yes |
| 23:22.08 | jamon | antgel: sorry, i read that as cyrus and was cringing :) |
| 23:22.11 | antgel | perhaps i should install courier on another port, and create a test user, imapsync the mailbox over, and test the performance |
| 23:22.14 | BitUnique | themill: like the wiki told me to |
| 23:22.22 | kloppe | themill: thats for taking over, i am a bit dizzy |
| 23:22.25 | BitUnique | themill: first the nvidia kernel source then the glx source |
| 23:22.27 | kloppe | s/thanks |
| 23:22.29 | jens_ | kloppe: what will happen when she creates a new file? will i not be able to read/write it? |
| 23:22.45 | jens_ | or will group permissions take care of that? |
| 23:22.52 | themill | BitUnique: nvidia-kernel-common as well, I presume? |
| 23:22.58 | BitUnique | themill: yes |
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| 23:23.24 | BitUnique | themill: i did every step mentioned under the wiki "module-assist (lenny) section |
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| 23:23.38 | kloppe | jens_: depends on the create mask in the samba config |
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| 23:24.10 | jens_ | not even sure I have a create mask.. hmm.. that should be under each [share] ? |
| 23:24.21 | kloppe | jens_: yep |
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| 23:24.31 | jens_ | what is a reasonable default? 0770? |
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| 23:24.58 | jens_ | or 0775? |
| 23:25.00 | kloppe | jens_: yes thats a sane setting |
| 23:25.02 | BitUnique | themill: are you just as lost as i am? |
| 23:25.29 | kloppe | jens_: 0775 would additionally give people read+execute access who are not in your group |
| 23:25.30 | jens_ | thanks kloppe, I'll try creating a mask |
| 23:25.40 | jens_ | hmm, right |
| 23:25.44 | themill | BitUnique: can you pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old (i.e. from your failed attempt to start x) along with the output of "dpkg -l \*nvidia\*"? |
| 23:26.01 | BitUnique | themill: ok, give me a couple of minutes |
| 23:26.07 | kloppe | bbl |
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| 23:29.43 | MatBoy | what do most people do here for a jail ? mount the dirs or copy them ? |
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| 23:30.58 | pickcoder | MatBoy: in what context? |
| 23:31.01 | BitUnique | themill: http://pastebin.com/m13837294 and http://pastebin.com/m46cbfdc1 |
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| 23:31.54 | BitUnique | themill: also uname -r 2.6.26-1-686 |
| 23:32.49 | themill | BitUnique: the nvidia-glx package is marked as being removed, not installed |
| 23:33.16 | BitUnique | themill: hum, im pretty damn sure i installed it. |
| 23:33.24 | BitUnique | themill: allright, so i just reinstall it then or_ |
| 23:33.41 | BitUnique | themill: reinstall the glx package and run nvidia-xconfig again |
| 23:34.15 | BitUnique | ? |
| 23:34.39 | themill | BitUnique: yeah, "aptitude install nvidia-glx". Your xorg in lenny should be able to start without a config file anyway, so just move it out of the way for the moment, "modprobe nvidia" and restart x. |
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| 23:35.20 | MatBoy | pickcoder: I see that most tuts really copy the needed dirs into the user his homedir |
| 23:35.29 | MatBoy | I think you also can mount them temporary ? |
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| 23:36.17 | BitUnique | themill: you want me to remove the xorg.conf file from /etc/X11? |
| 23:36.33 | BitUnique | themill: and then install glx and modprobe nvidia restart x? |
| 23:36.46 | themill | BitUnique: rename it so you can restore it if needs be. Yes and yes. |
| 23:37.04 | BitUnique | themill: i dont have to do nvidia-xconfigure? |
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| 23:38.18 | themill | BitUnique: shouldn't be needed. |
| 23:39.16 | BitUnique | themill: ok i renamed my xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bck and i am now installing the glx package. after that i simply modprobe nvidia and ctrl alt backspace? |
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| 23:39.58 | themill | BitUnique: make sure the package has installed correctly... check the output of "dpkg -l \*nvidia\*"; look for ii next to that package. |
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| 23:40.38 | BitUnique | themill: yes, it seems to be installed correctly now |
| 23:40.44 | themill | BitUnique: also make sure that the module has successfully loaded: "modprobe -r nvidia ; modprobe nvidia" should produce no output |
| 23:41.35 | BitUnique | themill: allright, looks like im good to go then |
| 23:41.54 | themill | good luck... :) |
| 23:41.58 | BitUnique | :p |
| 23:42.24 | pickcoder | MatBoy: what dirs? |
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| 23:43.14 | pickcoder | there's normally a set of devs you need to create for a chroot jail and you have to include the binaries and their required libs to function |
| 23:43.31 | pickcoder | you can't symlink them since they won't be in scope under the jail |
| 23:43.34 | MatBoy | pickcoder: yes those ones, but they can't be mounted from the originals ? |
| 23:43.37 | MatBoy | or linked ? |
| 23:43.44 | MatBoy | ah ok :) |
| 23:43.46 | MatBoy | clear |
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| 23:43.47 | pickcoder | hard links maybe |
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| 23:48.17 | BitUnique | themill: i got a new entry in my brub now, it sais bigmem behind it the kernel version i have. also, was i suppose to rename my xorg.conf.bck back to xorg.conf? |
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| 23:49.00 | themill | BitUnique: did you install a "bigmem" kernel then? how much memory do you have? |
| 23:49.22 | BitUnique | no, it just poped up now after i followed the steps you told me to |
| 23:49.36 | BitUnique | i have 2GB |
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| 23:50.35 | BitUnique | themill: but was i supose to rename my xorg file back to xorg.conf? |
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| 23:51.16 | BitUnique | mumbles to him self, oh the joys of unstable |
| 23:52.00 | themill | BitUnique: no.. I never told you to install a new kernel |
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| 23:52.26 | BitUnique | themill: well, i think it might be from the steps in the wiki then |
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| 23:52.53 | Bryanstein | wtf...lol a lot of bodies in here |
| 23:52.56 | BitUnique | themill: i only followed the steps from the module assist section, then i resintalled the glx driver as you told me. |
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| 23:53.36 | Bryanstein | Hey guys...my adduser/useradd somehow died on me with Etch |
| 23:53.45 | BitUnique | themill: anywyas, opengl isnt working. so i guess i need to load from the xorg.conf file right? |
| 23:54.14 | Bryanstein | It shows me useradd: invalid numeric argument '1854' |
| 23:54.16 | themill | BitUnique: did x start OK though? can you pastebin your Xorg.0.log? |
| 23:54.39 | Bryanstein | Anyone have any ideas or seen similar problems? |
| 23:54.43 | BitUnique | themill: yes it did. |
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| 23:56.28 | BitUnique | themill: http://pastebin.com/m1dc1cbe6 |
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| 23:57.20 | themill | BitUnique: that picked up the nv driver not the nvidia driver :( |
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| 23:58.44 | BitUnique | themill: i just looked at my xorg.conf.bck file, and under driver it said nv not nvidia from before. so i changed it back. i didnt think it would matter as i renamed it to .bck |
| 23:59.03 | themill | indeed, it shouldn't matter |
| 23:59.04 | pimplife69 | whats a good program to use to convert video files? |
| 23:59.16 | n3kl | mencoder |
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