| 00:00.13 | abrotman | do you know the name of the icons they're currently using ? |
| 00:01.17 | Pulpie | abrotman: i believe they are in /usr/share/iceweasel and icedove under the same path |
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| 00:01.30 | Pulpie | iceweasel/icons |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | and you don't want to overwrite those? |
| 00:01.53 | Pulpie | well i dont mind doing that |
| 00:02.25 | Pulpie | but the icons have different sizes which aren't found in the black-white2 pack.. will that matter? |
| 00:03.04 | el_ericho | Hello, what is the correct netinst for Athlon 64 [alpha][amd64][arm][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] for a desktop ? |
| 00:04.23 | abrotman | el_ericho: i386 or amd64 |
| 00:05.59 | el_ericho | abrotman: thanks! |
| 00:06.08 | adama | Activating swap...[]Unable to find swap-space signature - failed. I made the swap space with fdisk. Do I need to do something like mkfs on it? |
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| 00:08.44 | dustybin | can this be put inside /etc/modules |
| 00:08.45 | dustybin | options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 |
| 00:09.00 | dustybin | options doesnt work from the command line |
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| 00:09.39 | abrotman | not the right place for it |
| 00:09.53 | nooper | Hi, the debian site says a 1ghz proc is recommended. Should i expect any problems if i install etch on a pII 400 when not using X? |
| 00:10.02 | dondelelcaro | nooper: it'll work fine |
| 00:10.08 | nooper | thanks |
| 00:10.22 | dondelelcaro | nooper: there's no real minimum spec with regards to processors, save that it has to be at least a 486. |
| 00:11.10 | dustybin | abrotman: i think it might go inside /etc/modprobe.d |
| 00:11.11 | dustybin | ? |
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| 00:14.22 | el_ericho | Another question, I have a document that i wrote on openoffice in ubuntu. When i open the same file with openoffice on a computer with debian the text looks different and some tables are moved and images too. I use freesans font and i have the package ttf-freefont installed. This is a font issue? or this is a different problem? |
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| 00:25.29 | keith4_ | how do I burn an iso to a dvd, in debian? |
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| 00:26.26 | streuner_ | use k3b |
| 00:26.33 | streuner_ | easy |
| 00:27.07 | abrotman | that's the easiest method you have? |
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| 00:27.25 | abrotman | keith4_: which DE/WM are you using? or would you rather use a console tool ? |
| 00:27.28 | streuner_ | do you have an easier methode? |
| 00:28.07 | abrotman | at least ask him what he's using so he doesn't have to isntall half of kde |
| 00:28.59 | dondelelcaro | wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -data foo.iso; |
| 00:29.04 | dondelelcaro | doesn't get much easier. ;-) |
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| 00:29.49 | proveyourself | hi, when gnome 2.24 will be in debian sid? |
| 00:29.50 | dondelelcaro | or for a dvd, growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=foo.iso; |
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| 00:30.43 | avu | proveyourself, not before lenny is released |
| 00:30.45 | dondelelcaro | proveyourself: when it's uploaded; most likely not until after lenny is released. However, you can help out and make it happen sooner (or end up in experimental) |
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| 00:31.19 | benjamindees | are there tools available to convert VMWare images to be usable for, say qemu or others? |
| 00:31.22 | proveyourself | how can i know when a packge will be part of the debian sid? |
| 00:31.41 | streuner_ | proveyourself: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 00:31.49 | benjamindees | proveyourself, ask the maintainer or package it yourself |
| 00:31.59 | proveyourself | oh, ok... |
| 00:32.06 | proveyourself | thank's a lot! |
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| 00:33.15 | proveyourself | software package is so confusing to me :S |
| 00:33.17 | proveyourself | :( |
| 00:33.19 | streuner_ | abrotman: here is GNOME installed and k3b, it doesnt use much MBs |
| 00:33.31 | zamaliphe | after i upgrade to lenny i have problim with apache it work fine but i cant remov the defult pag that say ? It works! |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | streuner_: that's just silly .. |
| 00:34.02 | benjamindees | proveyourself, what package are you looking for? |
| 00:34.06 | streuner_ | easy! :-) |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | streuner_: firstly .. there are tons of tools in GNOME to burn an ISO .. secondly .. why install half of KDE to do that? .. thirdly .. wodim is damn easy |
| 00:34.22 | proveyourself | only gnome 2.24... |
| 00:34.27 | bzed | zamaliphe: edit the config file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | only? |
| 00:34.32 | proveyourself | i'm here to ask for it... |
| 00:34.35 | benjamindees | installed k3b to burn an iso :p |
| 00:35.12 | bzed | zamaliphe: and/or write your own config file. or at least provide some useful content in /var/www |
| 00:35.28 | keith4_ | abrotman: console, please |
| 00:35.38 | proveyourself | ok, thank guys |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | keith4_: dondelelcaro already answered you |
| 00:35.47 | keith4_ | ok. i'll find it |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | keith4_: /lastlog dondelelcaro ... should be pretty easy to find |
| 00:36.12 | keith4_ | k, thanks. |
| 00:37.12 | benjamindees | proveyourself, start here: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-gnome-maintainers/ |
| 00:39.36 | proveyourself | oh! thanks! |
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| 00:42.20 | bradly | If I run a cron as a specific user does that user's .bashrc file get loaded before? |
| 00:45.19 | dondelelcaro | bradly: assuming it starts a shell, yes. otherwise, no. |
| 00:46.27 | bradly | dondelelcaro: it is just a one liner but I need some of my environment settings for my bashrc. Is there an easy way to do this. i tried bash && command but that didn't wor |
| 00:46.28 | bradly | k |
| 00:46.31 | dondelelcaro | (actually, I don't think you can get it to not run the shell) |
| 00:47.05 | streuner_ | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/18425 |
| 00:47.30 | abrotman | streuner_: you did it wrong |
| 00:47.37 | streuner_ | haha |
| 00:48.18 | abrotman | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/18426/ .. and i probably have some Qt stuff installed |
| 00:48.33 | streuner_ | abrotman: here is GNOME installed... |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | you still did it wrong |
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| 00:49.55 | abrotman | so did i .. but at least it was closer! :) |
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| 00:50.18 | streuner_ | sure, kaffeine is installed |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | gives up |
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| 00:50.57 | streuner_ | for example, well - lets say 20-30 MB, but whats that for newer HDs nowadays? ;-) |
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| 00:55.45 | streuner_ | abrotman: and YOU dont have to say any word about (GNOME installed)... |
| 00:55.47 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 00:56.23 | abrotman | streuner_: i already gave up .. you should too |
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| 01:00.42 | Si1ver1ock | i'm running a debian server on virtual box and it won't bring up eth0, yet dmesg says eth0: registered as PCnet/FAST III 679C973 etc. Any ideas? |
| 01:01.44 | Si1ver1ock | ifup says ERRPR .....no such device |
| 01:01.54 | Si1ver1ock | i mean ERROR |
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| 01:04.24 | streuner_ | Why are you using virtual box in order to run Debian at all, btw? |
| 01:04.52 | phuzion | I installed vsftpd with apt-get, and I would like to know how to make it require a login using PAM authentication. Currently, it is in anonymous only mode, which is something I do not want |
| 01:05.04 | streuner_ | Is that NIC supported at all? |
| 01:05.19 | abrotman | a pcnet?it should be |
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| 01:08.31 | streuner_ | Si1ver1ock: usually i would ask, "Is the NIC supported, did you configure the NIC correctly", but thats different |
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| 01:11.39 | Si1ver1ock | i upgraded from a previous vbox, and now no networking, if i remember right, doesn't debian track the mac on these cards it keeps the mac in some riles somewhere |
| 01:11.55 | Si1ver1ock | files i mean |
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| 01:12.58 | streuner_ | that isnt an issue in order to get an error in Debian at all (Mac) |
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| 01:15.55 | streuner_ | would ask in a channel for virtual box only... |
| 01:15.56 | Si1ver1ock | it looks like the device is on eth2, i also have a sit0 device, whatever that is... |
| 01:16.06 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 01:30.45 | DynamicPink | I am having a problem with gnome/nautilus. When I start gnome, the desktop appears for about 3 seconds with some kind of message about Nautilus having a problem, but then it dumps me back to gdm to log in again. Rinse, repeat. |
| 01:31.06 | DynamicPink | I never get to read the error that Nautilus gives because it goes back to gdm |
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| 01:31.57 | abrotman | ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 01:33.19 | DynamicPink | It has failed to read saved session error, but if I didn't save a session, it shouldn't matter. |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | i meant .. is there anything in that file? |
| 01:33.39 | DynamicPink | Yes |
| 01:34.33 | DynamicPink | It doesn't provide many clues to me, though. I don't know where to attack any errors it lists. There is one about setting horizontal and vertical scroll. |
| 01:35.46 | DynamicPink | and it says it can't find XGL, but I am not running it. I have the open source radeon driver. |
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| 01:36.38 | DynamicPink | There was a bonobo message at some point, but I re-installed that 3 times to no effect. |
| 01:37.35 | Si1ver1ock | is there a tab called /etc/iftab i can't find one on my system |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | can you paste the error file to a pastebin ? |
| 01:37.57 | Si1ver1ock | i mean is there a fiel> |
| 01:38.08 | Si1ver1ock | i mean file? |
| 01:38.09 | DynamicPink | I can try, but I have never used it before. |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:38.31 | abrotman | DynamicPink: can a different user login to gnome ? |
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| 01:39.22 | DynamicPink | I only have 1 user account set up. It comes up in Failsafe mode, but sometimes the task bars don't display. |
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| 01:41.24 | carl-m | I'm getting an odd error trying to restart exim4 on sid: 'incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | DynamicPink: so create a new one just to try it |
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| 01:42.17 | lolufail | hi |
| 01:42.43 | Si1ver1ock | if i delet this file, will the system regenerate it? /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 01:43.07 | DynamicPink | My xsession-errors is on paste.debian.net under dynamicpin |
| 01:43.23 | unop | Si1ver1ock, probably not - but why do you want to delete it? |
| 01:43.39 | lolufail | silverlock: probably yes. |
| 01:44.04 | Si1ver1ock | its persisting my old mac address and causing my nic to skip eth0 |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | DynamicPink: jebus .. that looks not happy |
| 01:44.21 | DynamicPink | lol. You think? |
| 01:44.33 | abrotman | DynamicPink: try to create a new user and see if that user can login |
| 01:44.39 | Si1ver1ock | lolufail: what is udev anyway? |
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| 01:45.06 | lolufail | silverlock: a collection of scripts to make live easier ;) |
| 01:45.35 | lolufail | silverlock: replacement of devfs... google is your friend. |
| 01:45.40 | abrotman | !tell Si1ver1ock about z25 |
| 01:46.08 | lolufail | !tell lolufail about z25 |
| 01:46.47 | lolufail | huh |
| 01:47.16 | lolufail | how do I get a more recent kernel for xen? |
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| 01:47.42 | abrotman | !tell lolufail about selftell |
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| 01:48.47 | lolufail | gentoo guys have 2.6.18 in unstable, and 2.6.21 in hard masked |
| 01:49.07 | rebel_kid | i was thinking about using debian for a server but i see it is 3 dvds!?!? i thought debian would be smaller and more compact that ubuntu |
| 01:49.35 | rebel_kid | is there a server release, or a recommended setup? i dont want to download for 6+ hours lol |
| 01:49.36 | abrotman | !tell rebel_kid about netinst |
| 01:50.03 | rebel_kid | thank you |
| 01:50.09 | lolufail | oh wait... that kernels are ancient as well |
| 01:50.13 | lolufail | those* |
| 01:50.42 | lolufail | jesus xen is getting on my nerves |
| 01:51.05 | rebel_kid | being a server idiot i do have to ask, does debian make a good server? |
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| 01:51.43 | Si1ver1ock | when dpkg tells me to 'See <forcedeth mac>' what does that mean? google, man... something |
| 01:51.57 | dmoerner | Si1ver1ock: that means /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 01:52.08 | lolufail | rebel_kid: if you dont have to use bleeding edge stuff... yes. I like ubuntu server too. |
| 01:52.11 | Si1ver1ock | dmoerner: thx |
| 01:52.44 | rebel_kid | lolufail, seriously? i was told ubuntu server was junk... if its a decent server i will use it simply so i dont have to learn too much more lol |
| 01:53.06 | dmoerner | lolufail: just use 2.6.18 or read through this to see why there is no newer xen stuff: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/8940430a093bbda5/5b75c339b106d2b2?lnk=raot |
| 01:53.14 | prolix | rebel_kid: 'Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.' -Voltaire. stick around and see what kind of people use this distro by the questions that are asked and formulate your own opinion |
| 01:53.30 | simonrvn | Si1ver1ock: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 01:53.43 | rebel_kid | prolix, alright i will, i will virt both distros and decide as well |
| 01:53.54 | Si1ver1ock | simonrvn: thx2u2 |
| 01:53.54 | prolix | right on |
| 01:53.56 | lolufail | rebel_kid: I use it for a fileserver. I wouldn't use it as "produktion" server. |
| 01:54.01 | dmoerner | rebel_kid: debian doesn't make a good server, the administrator makes a good server. debian will function for almost anything if you set it up correctly. |
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| 01:54.18 | rebel_kid | lolufail, it wont be for production, just development |
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| 01:54.35 | lolufail | rebel_kid: it's all about the recency (and therefore stability) of the packages, imho |
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| 01:54.52 | rebel_kid | dmoerner, thats what i have heard that debian can be setup to make u breakfast if ur smart enough :), unfortunatly servers + me = catastrophy |
| 01:54.55 | lolufail | not much difference between ubuntu and debian |
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| 01:55.02 | abrotman | rebel_kid: use debian |
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| 01:55.11 | abrotman | lolufail: are you serious? |
| 01:55.11 | simonrvn | catastrophe |
| 01:55.24 | lolufail | abrotman: yes? |
| 01:55.27 | abrotman | rebel_kid: use the netinst for Debian .. you'll be fine |
| 01:55.32 | DynamicPink | abrotman, the new user account popped up the error about bonobo activation server. |
| 01:55.39 | lolufail | abrotman: wanna point out some huge difference for me please? |
| 01:55.45 | rebel_kid | abrotman, i will virt both and see who wins lol |
| 01:55.53 | abrotman | lolufail: how about the package versions and the testing that goes into those package |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | packages |
| 01:56.19 | dmoerner | rebel_kid: what do you want the server for? |
| 01:56.40 | abrotman | DynamicPink: have you tried something besides gnome? |
| 01:56.52 | lolufail | abrotman: I can't follow you... do you mean why use ubuntu they only steal from debian's devs? |
| 01:56.54 | DynamicPink | abrotman, twm |
| 01:56.55 | rebel_kid | dmoerner, php web interface, mysql database, and python script :) |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | DynamicPink: how did you install X and gnome ? |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | lolufail: nevermind .. i'm not going to try to correct every wrong thing you say |
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| 01:57.23 | DynamicPink | abrotman, the default install from the testing cd, but that was over a year ago. |
| 01:57.29 | lolufail | abrotman: lol calm down |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | DynamicPink: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade |
| 01:57.38 | dmoerner | lolufail: he means that debian has a systematic approach to creating a stable distribution, whereas ubuntu basically just takes a snapshot of sid and tries to stabilize it for a few months and then support it for a year and a half |
| 01:57.44 | DynamicPink | abrotman, this morning. |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | lolufail: i'm perfectly calm .. don't pretend you know anything about me |
| 01:58.02 | lolufail | abrotman: wasnt pretending :P |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | you were |
| 01:58.22 | lolufail | dmoerner: thanks. |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | DynamicPink: so if you do `aptitude update && aptitude install gnome xorg` .. what happens ? |
| 01:59.24 | lolufail | abrotman: w/e didn't want to flame. I'm more a gentoo fan anyways, but that doesnt make sense for servers does it |
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| 01:59.42 | abrotman | wow ... |
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| 01:59.53 | abrotman | DynamicPink: does it attempt to install any packages? |
| 02:00.02 | lolufail | wow what? |
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| 02:00.13 | DynamicPink | abrotman, it wants to remove some, but not install any. |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | like remove what? |
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| 02:00.23 | Si1ver1ock | how do you restart all net working services? |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | Si1ver1ock: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:01.01 | abrotman | DynamicPink: and a 'dist-upgrade' doesn't try to remove anything? |
| 02:01.07 | DynamicPink | abrotman, gobc4-2, g++4.2-multilib |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | DynamicPink: if you try to start twm instead, get any farther? |
| 02:01.18 | lolufail | so if I have a kernel driver that may or may not need a newer kernel version than the ones that have xen. what should I do? use a totally different virtualization techinque? e.g. vmware? or try to make the drivers work? |
| 02:01.32 | DynamicPink | abrotman, twm comes up fine. It is only gnome. |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | DynamicPink: is there anything bad in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:04.17 | DynamicPink | I would have to dig through it. Thank you for the help, but I have to get to bed soon. At least I can use the other account for further troubleshooting. Have a good night. |
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| 02:05.39 | Si1ver1ock | abrotman: thx againg |
| 02:06.03 | abrotman | dyngah |
| 02:06.55 | dmoerner | dpkg: tell lolufail -about vserver |
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| 02:07.51 | lolufail | dmoerner: I need support for different kernels vor the guests, as well as windows via vanderpool |
| 02:07.54 | lolufail | for* |
| 02:08.39 | dmoerner | lolufail: either port xen to the newer kernel yourself, or backport the drivers, or use vmware then, i would think |
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| 02:09.03 | lolufail | vmware is the logical choice? |
| 02:09.15 | lolufail | or maybe kvm? |
| 02:09.17 | lolufail | ooor |
| 02:09.27 | meglo | Is there going to be an announcement for when lenny is going to be pushed back to? |
| 02:09.36 | lolufail | there's too much info on the damn internet to help me decide |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | meglo: there was no announcement for a release date to begin with |
| 02:11.15 | meglo | abrotman, maybe you're right! I was going off this table wikipedia had for debian, and it linked to some mailing list post that it would be available in september |
| 02:11.25 | dondelelcaro | meglo: we only make projections; they're aren't any release dates |
| 02:11.26 | abrotman | that was not firm |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | !tell meglo about wwlr |
| 02:11.37 | dondelelcaro | (well, until we actually release, anyway) |
| 02:11.40 | meglo | Thanks |
| 02:11.51 | dondelelcaro | but that said, please help out so it will release sooner |
| 02:11.54 | meglo | You're both debian maintainers |
| 02:11.55 | meglo | ? |
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| 02:13.34 | prolix | meglo: where do you work? |
| 02:14.10 | dondelelcaro | meglo: I'm a DD; I don't know if abrotman has packages in the archive or not. |
| 02:14.11 | meglo | prolix, at a silly putty factory |
| 02:15.13 | prolix | meglo: when is sincere putty going to be released? |
| 02:15.33 | abrotman | that sounds like work! |
| 02:15.44 | meglo | prolix, we just rename the same putty over and over again but if you order a couple thousand units I can have it to you by morning |
| 02:15.57 | Si1ver1ock | mutters at least my pinger is still working |
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| 02:16.25 | prolix | meglo: thanks for the heads up. i'll take 10**1000 units |
| 02:16.31 | meglo | Prolix, why do you ask? Did I offend with my question and you're trying to teach me something? |
| 02:16.54 | carl-m | general question: I've been looking for a text browser with basic javasccript/DOM support |
| 02:16.59 | prolix | meglo: no, i just wanted to be closer to you. in the digital sense |
| 02:17.11 | lolufail | does anybody have a TechnoTrend s2-3200 ? |
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| 02:17.49 | prolix | meglo: love me? |
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| 02:17.53 | prolix | i'm done |
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| 02:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally downloads putty directly - and not more than one copy/computer |
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| 02:26.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the people who bought one have one... and the ones who sell them, of course |
| 02:26.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the ones who manufacture them |
| 02:26.32 | bep | i havnt tried to manually compile a kernel in quite some time b.c mkinitrd is gone (initrd-tools). i already did make-kpkg and installed it so now how can i make an initrd |
| 02:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !initrd |
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| 02:27.15 | dpkg | initrd is probably initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 02:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | asked kinda too late, eh? :) |
| 02:27.50 | bep | :/ ya |
| 02:27.52 | dmoerner | bep: use mkinitramfs |
| 02:28.13 | bep | dmoerner: whats the syntax of that command |
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| 02:28.27 | bep | how can i use it at this point |
| 02:29.50 | bep | i see there is a vmlinuz and its in grub, but when i tried booting i had got a kernel panic |
| 02:30.14 | dmoerner | bep: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.15 2.6.15 or whatever is the name of the new kernel |
| 02:30.41 | bep | ok thanks |
| 02:30.43 | bep | brb |
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| 02:37.06 | arf | anybody know why less won't work properly with rxvt? |
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| 02:38.17 | dudeman | define properly |
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| 02:39.14 | AbortRetryFail | so that f and b or up and down will actually scroll up and down instead of just showing escape characters and trashing the terminal |
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| 02:41.04 | p1ngp0ng | how would i go about removing libssh? |
| 02:41.37 | p1ngp0ng | or better yet, is there a precompiled package for hydra? |
| 02:42.55 | AbortRetryFail | it also does this with alt-1 alt-2 alt-3 in irssi ±²³ etc. |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | AbortRetryFail: are you sure oyu're using less? |
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| 02:45.51 | AbortRetryFail | its not less it's rxvt |
| 02:46.08 | AbortRetryFail | $ which less |
| 02:46.08 | AbortRetryFail | /usr/bin/less |
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| 02:46.21 | abrotman | echo $PAGER |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | erm .. that's not right |
| 02:46.51 | AbortRetryFail | $PAGER is empty |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | just to make sure it's less and not more/most |
| 02:47.27 | AbortRetryFail | its less, i was piping output from nmap thru less |
| 02:47.48 | AbortRetryFail | ~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 02:47.48 | AbortRetryFail | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-07-18 20:29 /etc/alternatives/pager -> /usr/bin/less |
| 02:48.34 | abrotman | does antoher terminal work ? |
| 02:53.22 | dondelelcaro | AbortRetryFail: sounds like you're actually using xterm, and you don't have metaSendsEscape:true and eightBitInput: false set. |
| 02:53.22 | p1ngp0ng | hey guys, is there a precompiled thc-hydra package for debian out there? |
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| 02:53.48 | mmhd | Hello |
| 02:53.52 | mmhd | I ran a cron job |
| 02:53.56 | mmhd | but seems not working |
| 02:54.00 | mmhd | it's like: |
| 02:54.18 | AbortRetryFail | ah yeah i am using xterm sorry |
| 02:54.22 | mmhd | 45 * * * * /stats/do.sh |
| 02:54.22 | AbortRetryFail | used to rxvt on teh slackware box |
| 02:54.48 | mmhd | 45 * * * * /stats/do.sh << isn't supposed to run every 45 minutes? |
| 02:54.49 | dondelelcaro | AbortRetryFail: you can use rxvt if you want; just install it and run update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator |
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| 02:55.12 | dondelelcaro | mmhd: it will, but surely you don't actually have a /stats directory? |
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| 02:55.32 | mmhd | I created one |
| 02:55.35 | dondelelcaro | mmhd: and also, you'll need to make sure you have an MTA that works so you can see what is failing. |
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| 02:56.08 | mmhd | where can I check crontab's errors? |
| 02:56.13 | mmhd | logs * |
| 02:56.26 | dondelelcaro | mmhd: they get mailed to you; the general logs are in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 03:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmhd, that's one of the why's why one always needs an MTA :) |
| 03:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why root gets mail |
| 03:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmhd, anyways - there is no PATH set for a crontab script - either you must first set it, or call all programs with full path - that is probably the most common error |
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| 03:03.29 | mmhd | CutMeOwnThroat: so i must set the path for commands I am usings? |
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| 03:03.36 | mmhd | like vi etc.. ? |
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| 03:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | how would you use vi in crontab... |
| 03:04.06 | mmhd | FOr example |
| 03:04.24 | mmhd | I used rm |
| 03:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, either start with PATH=my/list:of/paths |
| 03:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or call /bin/rm |
| 03:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | etc |
| 03:04.44 | mmhd | ahah ok. |
| 03:04.48 | mmhd | That's my error |
| 03:04.49 | mmhd | thanks |
| 03:04.51 | mmhd | :) |
| 03:04.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | one of them |
| 03:04.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:05.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, test the script outside cron first, of course |
| 03:05.33 | mmhd | yep sure ;D |
| 03:05.38 | mmhd | thanks again |
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| 03:09.54 | prolix_ | grow up, just a tad |
| 03:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't wanna! |
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| 03:10.21 | prolix_ | or keep doing it. you're relatively harmless |
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| 03:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you talking about anyways |
| 03:11.13 | Tramp | "PATH is set to "/usr/bin:/bin"" <-- that's what my man 5 crontab says |
| 03:12.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine doesn't say that |
| 03:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it does |
| 03:12.48 | prolix_ | is it possible to have just one node multicast a transmission? |
| 03:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | prolix_, are you pasting random stuff in here? |
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| 03:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmhd, see what Tramp said... |
| 03:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | which shows I was just using my own imperfect memory :) |
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| 03:16.40 | Tramp | mmhd: also, scrolling back: no, your script won't run "every 45 minutes" but, if you're lucky, every hour at the 45th minute - dunno if someone mentioned that |
| 03:18.39 | mmhd | :X |
| 03:18.51 | mmhd | Trap: how can I make it run every 45 minutes? |
| 03:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, didn't check for that :) |
| 03:20.45 | Tramp | mmhd: not sure. There is a */interval notation (man 5 crontab), but I don't know if it works with these numbers |
| 03:21.45 | Tramp | mmhd: I mean 60 (minutes) does not divide nicely by 45. It works fine with e.g. */5, but in your case - I'm not sure. |
| 03:22.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmhd, while ( true ) ; do echo bla; sleep 2700 ; done& |
| 03:23.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 03:25.13 | dudeman | hmm |
| 03:25.15 | dudeman | not good |
| 03:25.19 | dudeman | not good at all |
| 03:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hi cassandra |
| 03:25.40 | dudeman | why is this happening to my box! /me kicks sid |
| 03:25.54 | dudeman | ohh.. its a known bug! hmm |
| 03:26.14 | dudeman | ok I'll be back later |
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| 03:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know, these kinda pointless monologues remind me of a guy called Nyle |
| 03:26.58 | dudeman | oh they do, I think I've seen him around. Rather annoying little prick isn't he? |
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| 03:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yes, very definitely - I also heared he sometimes changes his nick to excape the ignore filter of all the people |
| 03:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/excape/escape/ |
| 03:27.59 | dudeman | oh, thats lame. Totally lame. |
| 03:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it myself |
| 03:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 03:29.01 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, how long have you been visiting #debian? |
| 03:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno |
| 03:29.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | why |
| 03:30.20 | dudeman | Nyle's been coming here for about 8 years. He contributes a lot to the Debian project. He is a bit annoying and offtopic, but he is getting better lately. Why do you think he is STILL in here after all his shannanigans in the past? Because he is a good contributor. |
| 03:30.26 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, try not to attack other people in here. |
| 03:30.32 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you very much. |
| 03:30.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | did I? |
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| 03:31.55 | ghostdog | annoying and offtopic chat on the internet? Seriously? |
| 03:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, and it wasn't totally obvious to you I knew that? |
| 03:32.19 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat, good day. |
| 03:32.30 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat, you can discuss me in #debian-offtopic |
| 03:32.34 | Nyle | Thanks. |
| 03:32.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, thanks |
| 03:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just joining the monologue |
| 03:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | or contributing to it |
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| 03:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | will from now on always fondly remember you're considering yourself an "annoying little prick" - that was definitly worth the little provocation. |
| 03:36.41 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, please keep it on topic. |
| 03:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't say a thing |
| 03:38.10 | trakinas | hi guys. I formatted a pendrive with ext2 using gparted. but i cannot do anything with it due lack of permissions. any help? |
| 03:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | trakinas, not from this description... what's the exact error |
| 03:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | can root write to it |
| 03:40.53 | dudeman | why don't you just format it as vfat? |
| 03:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "cannot do anything with it" in other words |
| 03:41.18 | dudeman | (that is the norm for usb pen/flash storage) |
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| 03:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and one last word - sorry for having you on, dudeman, but the opportunity was just too good :) You kinda invited me |
| 03:42.33 | dudeman | its alright. Just try to keep it constructive and ontopic. |
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| 03:42.40 | trakinas | CutMeOwnThroat, yes. ordinary user brings: "Permission Denied" when attempting to create a directory. or even using touch |
| 03:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | trakinas, root can write to it? |
| 03:43.07 | trakinas | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
| 03:43.12 | unop | trakinas, you need to get root to give you permissions |
| 03:43.14 | dudeman | trakinas, seriously it is going to cause issues on various linux machiens where the user who owns it doesn't exist |
| 03:43.21 | dudeman | it would be much wiser to use vfat |
| 03:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | trakinas, then probably stuff is just owned by root? |
| 03:43.34 | dudeman | you can however as root set owner info to your user |
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| 03:43.59 | dudeman | chown/chgrp on . or or -R / (root of device) |
| 03:44.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | trakinas, chown -R user /your/drive would give everything to you |
| 03:44.26 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, what happens when he takes this usb stick to another linux system that doesn't have the user he set? |
| 03:44.31 | trakinas | CutMeOwnThroat yes, but now i realized that i will follow onto what dudeman said. |
| 03:44.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | dudeman, desaster :) |
| 03:44.39 | dudeman | exactly |
| 03:44.50 | dudeman | go with vfat for usb flash/pendrive devices |
| 03:45.02 | trakinas | thanks. |
| 03:45.05 | dudeman | sure |
| 03:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | trakinas, or you can make everything read/writeable for everyone |
| 03:45.17 | unop | set o+rw |
| 03:45.19 | trakinas | was just kidding around with other partitions. |
| 03:45.31 | dudeman | unop, is that wise? |
| 03:45.35 | dudeman | unop, btw hi |
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| 03:45.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | trakinas, but that will also be problematic, because every new file created with the default umasks will not be world read/writeable |
| 03:45.50 | trakinas | CutMeOwnThroat, that is a possibility, but i think i will stick with vfat. |
| 03:45.54 | unop | dudeman, as good as selecting no permissions - i.e. using vfat |
| 03:45.56 | k-man | do you have to restart anything after changing /etc/inetd.conf for it to take effect? |
| 03:45.57 | unop | hi hi |
| 03:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dudeman, how would that be different from vfat? |
| 03:46.08 | dudeman | unop, well oh yeah.. right |
| 03:46.14 | dudeman | sorry, cranial flatulance. |
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| 03:46.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | k-man, yes ls /etc/init.d/*inet* |
| 03:46.48 | k-man | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 03:46.51 | dudeman | but then he'd have to find a way to make his usb stick work on linux machien via an ext2/3 filesystem driver for windows |
| 03:47.02 | dudeman | whereas with vfat he is good across ALL OS including Mac |
| 03:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | k-man, to see how it's called (probably openbsd-inetd or something) |
| 03:47.16 | dudeman | perhaps that is a bigger reason to go with vfat? |
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| 03:47.22 | trakinas | dudeman, true, |
| 03:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but that might be a reason *not* to take vfat |
| 03:47.36 | dudeman | s/linux machine/windows machine |
| 03:47.43 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, why not? |
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| 03:48.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | so not every bugger getting hands on your stick can immediately read it (ok - would make more sense to put a cryptofs on it then) |
| 03:48.05 | k-man | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, i think it must have changed - im sure it was just /etc/init.d/inetd before |
| 03:48.18 | trakinas | but i almost dont use my pendrive except at work. at college is garante (?) of catching a worm or so. |
| 03:48.18 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, paranoid much are we ;) |
| 03:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | still, ext3 would already exclude 90% of the population or so :) |
| 03:48.30 | trakinas | those that spreads through usb's... =/ |
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| 03:48.44 | dudeman | CutMeOwnThroat, /my stick stays on my keychain... and my keychain stays on me. I lose my keychain == I can't drive/can't open house... etc. |
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| 03:48.57 | dudeman | so for security perhaps it is better to have your USB stick on your keyring? |
| 03:49.07 | dudeman | or a small flat one can fit into your wallet |
| 03:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | AND it has the advantage that, because it's not really secure, you don't need any key/password ---> much less secure, but also much less hassle |
| 03:49.42 | dudeman | ehh.. I suppose for the extremely security concious it is worth it to implement that |
| 03:49.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, had it on my keyring - and it's little hook thingy broke off |
| 03:49.59 | dudeman | then again... you probably don't want to store sensitive data on usb flash ;) |
| 03:50.35 | craigevil | so i shouldnt store all my pron on a usb key? |
| 03:50.48 | trakinas | anyway, question answered. will turn back the entire pendrive to vfat (on my test it was 50/50) |
| 03:50.57 | dudeman | craigevil, ... |
| 03:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | now, for that ext3 would be enough, or not? :) |
| 03:51.17 | dudeman | trakinas, time is money. Don't waste money, implement good yet quick solutions |
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| 03:52.46 | trakinas | im not paranoid with secure. all that i store on my pendrive are music, maybe a film, and some school work. sometimes a pdf or anything from work that is not versionated. |
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| 03:53.13 | trakinas | anyway. better be going. |
| 03:53.17 | trakinas | cheers! |
| 03:53.18 | dudeman | bye |
| 03:53.27 | trakinas | and thanks! :] |
| 03:53.31 | dudeman | anytime |
| 03:53.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's gone |
| 03:53.47 | enouf | you're mounting it incorrectly |
| 03:53.54 | dudeman | 11:51 Ignorance List: |
| 03:53.54 | dudeman | 11:51 1 *: CRAP JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS |
| 03:54.01 | dudeman | ;) |
| 03:54.16 | dudeman | I have the cleanest chat session ever |
| 03:54.52 | enouf | Option "Hide Join/Part Messages=1" |
| 03:55.49 | p_masho | anyone help a newbie.. I following some isntructions on installing xcache. It mentions a file /etc/apt/preferences, but its not there? so I just create it or is it somewhere else on debian ? http://www.howtoforge.com/xcache-php5-apache2-debian-etch |
| 03:56.39 | enouf | create it |
| 03:56.43 | dudeman | enouf, CutMeOwnThroat, http://dudeman.gotdns.com/irssi.png |
| 03:57.07 | dudeman | oops i forgot to move it to public html |
| 03:57.25 | enouf | p_masho: that file doesn't exist until you create it |
| 03:57.36 | dudeman | ok check it out now, its the cleanest irssi you've EVER seen |
| 03:57.37 | dudeman | ;) |
| 03:57.40 | p_masho | ok.. ta |
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| 03:58.00 | enouf | p_masho: man apt_preferences |
| 03:58.02 | zahna | could someone recommend a motherboard that will allow the use of intel's VT for using kvm? |
| 03:58.21 | enouf | zahna: just look for the correct CPU |
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| 03:58.35 | zahna | enouf: i heard the bios also has to support it |
| 03:58.47 | zahna | which is always the case for AMD, but not for intel |
| 03:58.51 | enouf | zahna: i'm pretty sure the core2duo sockets are the same |
| 03:59.00 | enouf | huh? |
| 03:59.19 | zahna | enouf: well, my laptop's chip supports it, but it's not listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 03:59.55 | p_masho | any ideas on this error please .. "The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened." http://rafb.net/p/vywotN14.html |
| 04:00.38 | enouf | zahna: you're going to replace your laptop's motherboard? |
| 04:00.50 | zahna | enouf: nope, but i was using it as an example |
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| 04:01.37 | enouf | ok, you win |
| 04:01.45 | p_masho | scratches head... |
| 04:01.58 | dudeman | i have a guy who can replace laptop mobos, genius really |
| 04:02.00 | fahnouf | I created a public key for my ssh on local machine and I copied it to remote machine but when I ssh user@remote I still get asked to enter passwd |
| 04:02.12 | karlpinc | p_masho : Looks like your out of swap space. |
| 04:02.44 | karlpinc | fahnouf : You have to use -i on the local side to tell it what key to use, iirc. |
| 04:03.07 | fahnouf | ok |
| 04:04.06 | fahnouf | you mean use -i when I ssh to remote |
| 04:04.14 | karlpinc | fahnouf : Yes. |
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| 04:04.49 | CompWizrd | are you trying to do basically what ssh-copyid does? |
| 04:04.59 | Multiply | Using screen, how can I send a command to the screen? |
| 04:05.41 | Multiply | I'm attatched to a screen, but whenever I try to type a command, the console seems weird, and it says unknown command, like if it tries to use the command as shell |
| 04:06.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | p_masho, yes |
| 04:06.44 | p_masho | karlpinc: swap space is very small use atmo so its not that ! |
| 04:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !Dynamic MMap |
| 04:06.50 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 04:06.58 | Multiply | !screen |
| 04:06.59 | dpkg | screen is probably allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or aptitude install screen |
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| 04:09.16 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat : Thanks. |
| 04:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually - I'm rather often "mislaying" a vi that I opened in some shell, then sent to the background between the other 1000 shells open on my various desktops - would something like alias vi='screen vi' make me find them again easily? |
| 04:10.01 | fahnouf | ok I tried ssh user@remote -i id_dsa.pub |
| 04:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | er... was that last sentence understandable? |
| 04:10.26 | fahnouf | it asked for password! |
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| 04:11.45 | dudeman | are you trying to setup passwordless ssh? |
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| 04:12.05 | fahnouf | yes |
| 04:12.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, ? ... you're welcome, even if I still can't figure whatever for:) |
| 04:12.15 | dudeman | its a piece of cake |
| 04:12.24 | fahnouf | I followed the Debian wiki |
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| 04:12.36 | dudeman | 1) ssh-keygen -t rsa (keep hitting enter no need to enter anything until you back to prompt) |
| 04:12.40 | gandy909 | would this be a proper channel to ask about mdadm raid 1 booting degraded in etch? |
| 04:12.47 | fahnouf | I did |
| 04:12.59 | dudeman | 2) coyp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to server:/home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 04:13.05 | dudeman | 3) do the same the other way around |
| 04:13.16 | dudeman | if you need that |
| 04:13.31 | fahnouf | yeah |
| 04:13.38 | fahnouf | I did that too |
| 04:13.40 | dudeman | thats all you ned to do |
| 04:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | gandy909, you can, but try :) the more specialized you ask, the less likely an answer, though |
| 04:14.09 | p_masho | CutMeOwnThroat: ta ;-) |
| 04:14.13 | dudeman | fahnouf, if something is amiss, just regen the fiel using ssh-keygen |
| 04:14.21 | dudeman | fahnouf, and copy it over |
| 04:14.44 | fahnouf | so I should only use ssh user@remote that's it |
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| 04:14.49 | dudeman | yup |
| 04:14.54 | fahnouf | or do I have to use -i |
| 04:14.54 | dudeman | i do all tjhe time |
| 04:15.02 | dudeman | my irssi runs on my laptop |
| 04:15.07 | dudeman | whereas my music is on my server |
| 04:15.16 | dudeman | let me give you an example of my /mp3 spam alias |
| 04:15.38 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | fahnouf, no - but you can try ssh -v -v -v user@host to see what's going on |
| 04:15.49 | dudeman | see... its just ssh user@host application |
| 04:15.50 | fahnouf | Ok |
| 04:16.02 | deus___ | good morning |
| 04:16.14 | fahnouf | cool I'll generate anothet key |
| 04:16.14 | dudeman | hi |
| 04:16.21 | fahnouf | another i meant |
| 04:16.32 | dudeman | fahnouf, rm the id_rsa.pub file before |
| 04:16.45 | enouf | gandy909: see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 04:16.49 | dudeman | er.. mv |
| 04:16.55 | dudeman | in case you may need it again |
| 04:16.58 | karlpinc | fahnouf : You use -i when you don't store the key in a default location. Use -v to debug what's happening. |
| 04:17.00 | fahnouf | ok |
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| 04:17.39 | fahnouf | Thanks guys for your help |
| 04:18.02 | fahnouf | I shall let you know if anything goes wrong:) |
| 04:18.16 | dudeman | fahnouf, i think you should simply start over with my instructions |
| 04:18.24 | dudeman | I've done this hundreds of times with success |
| 04:18.26 | fahnouf | I will |
| 04:18.32 | dudeman | I'm not sure what you've already done or haven' tdone |
| 04:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | "regen fiel" actually makes sense in German :) |
| 04:18.47 | fahnouf | I'll start all over |
| 04:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you do funny shorts/typos |
| 04:19.02 | dudeman | fahnouf, simply, login to server, remove .ssh/authorized_keys2 |
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| 04:19.14 | dudeman | fahnouf, on local machine, remove .ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 04:19.19 | dudeman | then run the commands in order I told you |
| 04:19.31 | dudeman | then copy the new id_rsa.pub to host |
| 04:19.40 | deus___ | CutMeOwnThroat, today's the german day of reunion or whatever it's called in english |
| 04:19.55 | fahnouf | roger dudeman |
| 04:19.58 | fahnouf | :) |
| 04:20.23 | dudeman | what I normally do is this. for exampmle... ssh-keygen -t rsa; scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server:/home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 04:20.24 | fahnouf | I'll go and try it now |
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| 04:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, is it? |
| 04:20.47 | dudeman | good luck |
| 04:20.54 | gandy909 | i started with 2 sata drives in raid 1. one went bad, and I replaced it with an ide of the same size. i can ad it and it resyncs just fine. everytime i reboot i have to re-add it again. it takes freaking 15 gours to resync again(160g) |
| 04:20.55 | fahnouf | cheers |
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| 04:21.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | deus___, and I guess with "today" you mean friday :) Good of you to tell me, wouldn't have noticed :) |
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| 04:21.49 | deus___ | well, in my place it's already friday, so yes. ;) |
| 04:21.52 | dudeman | It has been friday for 18 minutes |
| 04:21.53 | gandy909 | i've redone the initrd after the resync and everything |
| 04:21.56 | dudeman | ;) |
| 04:22.05 | enouf | gandy909: when you had the bad drive, you were supposed to use --remove and/or --fail to pull it from your mdadm config, IINM |
| 04:22.10 | fahnouf | sorry dudeman can give me the instructions again:) |
| 04:22.13 | deus___ | it's 6 in the morning here |
| 04:22.19 | dudeman | fahnouf, what I normally do is this. for exampmle... ssh-keygen -t rsa; scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server:/home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 04:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | not here - still 38 minutes to go |
| 04:22.38 | deus___ | so you're from the past? :p |
| 04:22.44 | deus___ | jk |
| 04:22.52 | dudeman | heh, he is central time maybe? |
| 04:22.57 | enouf | also, you should look at /etc/default/mdadm (though i doubt that's your issue) |
| 04:23.12 | deus___ | Yep, i'm CET |
| 04:23.49 | deus___ | from* |
| 04:24.00 | deus___ | anyways, i'm outa here. have a great day |
| 04:24.16 | enouf | deuces are wild? |
| 04:24.23 | gandy909 | it was a couple months ago, but I *think* i did the fail thing. i added the ide and resync'ed it and it ran flawlessly until i shut it down to move the danged thing 3 days ago |
| 04:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | gandy909, also look at /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf - when I made the RAID, I put drive uuids in there... |
| 04:24.59 | gandy909 | redone the mdadm.conf thing too |
| 04:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, was just an idea |
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| 04:25.55 | dudeman | hmm |
| 04:25.55 | gandy909 | ill check the default /mdadm in the morning when i get to work |
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| 04:28.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | gandy909, and now /proc/mdstat shows everything is fine? |
| 04:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | gandy909, check dmesg for errors during the bootup, perhaps that provides a clue |
| 04:28.53 | gandy909 | ya, after it gets done resyncing /proc/mdstat looks great....until i reboot again |
| 04:29.27 | dudeman | is there an automated user settings backup software in debian or must I manually backup all the .dot files in my ~/' |
| 04:29.30 | dudeman | ? |
| 04:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | answer b) I'd say |
| 04:32.35 | enouf | just rsync your ~ somewhere |
| 04:33.02 | enouf | s/~/127.0.0.1 :-p |
| 04:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dudeman, echo '0 0 * * 1 nyle /bin/tar -cvzf dotfiles-`date --iso`.tgz .*' >>/etc/crontab |
| 04:33.41 | karlpinc | what is /etc/apt/secring.gpg? Where do I rtfm? |
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| 04:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (untried, of course) |
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| 04:35.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, interesting file... it's empty, isn't it? :) |
| 04:35.30 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat : Yup. |
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| 04:35.43 | fahnouf | ok I did ssh -v user@hots irc I found that the host still lookin to the old id_dsa not id_rsa although I removed the old keys |
| 04:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, I don't think you have to bother about it if you're not publishing packages |
| 04:35.51 | ghostdog | "Instead of getting a full 650MB CD image, you just download a CD image file which contains the bare essentials necessary to install the rest. It is necessary to have access to a CD recorder in order to use this." |
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| 04:36.11 | ghostdog | That is by far the best two sentences on debian.org |
| 04:36.38 | ghostdog | Well, maybe just one |
| 04:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, from the name, it must be the secret key for signing packages before uploading them to an apt repository... |
| 04:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghostdog, "instead of getting a [] CD image, you just download a CD image []" is the best? :) |
| 04:38.30 | ghostdog | "I'm going to install Linux/GNU... Wait a sec, what's a CD image?" |
| 04:39.05 | ghostdog | Nah, the second one. :) |
| 04:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
| 04:39.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see |
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| 04:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | .... so I now have the CD, it has one file - Debian[something,version].iso on it - what do I do with it? |
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| 04:40.35 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat : I'm thinking of having a "standby" system, but with a different identity (ssh keys, ip, hostname, passwords, etc.) so I want to copy /etc/ from the master to the standby. I figure I don't copy keys from one to the other in case of system compromise, but the question becomes what not to copy. |
| 04:40.35 | ghostdog | Yeah... does the label side go up? |
| 04:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the damn CD doesn't fit into my floppy drive, what should I do? |
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| 04:42.01 | nooper | you have to fold it |
| 04:42.01 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat : You melt it in the microwave and pour it into a usb stick. |
| 04:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghostdog, but, the procedure cleverly prevented people from inserting one CD on top of the other CD when it sais "put in CD 2" |
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| 04:48.47 | ghostdog | Aha, good catch. |
| 04:48.55 | ghostdog | A bug report should be filed |
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| 04:52.48 | Pavlz | Hello |
| 04:54.05 | Pavlz | My laptop asked me updates i did, when i did shutdown -r now |
| 04:54.33 | Pavlz | was not anymore available Xorg |
| 04:55.20 | Pavlz | i got many bookmarks on the browser |
| 04:55.43 | Pavlz | many documents on desktop |
| 04:56.06 | liable | try reloading the module. does it give that error again? |
| 04:56.12 | liable | echan |
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| 04:58.50 | Pavlz | /etc/ X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:00.43 | liable | Pavlz: you need to look at the log and see whats failing |
| 05:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ghostdog, I mean, the current procedure avoids that by just having one CD :) |
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| 05:02.06 | Pavlz | I did reboot now |
| 05:02.31 | Pavlz | but the screen blinks 3 times |
| 05:02.56 | liable | Pavlz: you need to read the xorg log and see where it fails |
| 05:03.25 | Pavlz | and after it releases my a type of gui |
| 05:03.39 | ghostdog | But it's says "Small CDs", so I'm pretty sure I need 10 |
| 05:04.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pavlz, listen to the man |
| 05:05.11 | karlpinc | Pavlz : Sounds like the kind of thing that happens when you install non-debian drivers, like nvidia stuff. That's why I stick with pure debian. |
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| 05:07.07 | Pavlz | Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not setup correctly would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem ? Yes or No |
| 05:08.21 | Pavlz | my svga is a s3virge and worked fine, first i received the message for updates |
| 05:08.38 | zamaliphe | how can i configure and run stalite card twinhan 1027 ad200 ? with nilesat ? |
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| 05:11.20 | karlpinc | Pavlz : You could use pastebin to show us the X log. |
| 05:12.11 | Pavlz | X Window System Version 7.0.0 Release Date: 21 December 2005 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0 Build Operating System Linux 2.6.15.7 i686 current operating system linux iderfix-laptop 2.6.15-52-386 #1 |
| 05:12.26 | karlpinc | !tell Pavlz -about paste |
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| 05:14.08 | Pavlz | Preempt wed aug 20 13 21 00 utc 2008 i686 build date 16 march 2006 |
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| 05:15.44 | Pavlz | Before reporting problems check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version |
| 05:16.02 | Pavlz | Module loader present |
| 05:16.07 | liable | Pavlz: you need to see where the error is. pasting that information is of no help |
| 05:16.22 | prolix__ | does linux vlc support multicasting? 'lelu...multicast..er, multipass' |
| 05:16.22 | liable | Pavlz: likely at the end of the log file |
| 05:16.57 | prolix__ | ... |
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| 05:18.32 | Pavlz | Log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log time fri oct 07 03 06 2008 using config file /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 05:18.50 | Pavlz | What i must to modify ? |
| 05:19.15 | karlpinc | liable : Wild guess: I'm thinking that the s3virge should not break. Maybe he's got "stable" in sources.list and was running sarge and is picking up etch updates? |
| 05:19.20 | liable | Pavlz: you need to read the log... |
| 05:19.46 | liable | karlpinc: i have no idea, and seeing as he doesnt listen i dont think we will ever get to the bottom of it |
| 05:20.55 | liable | Pavlz: what is your native language? |
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| 05:24.01 | Multiply | When attaching to a screen, by screen -x screenname, how can I detach, then? |
| 05:24.25 | Multiply | Assuming it's a console app running in the screen |
| 05:24.26 | liable | Multiply: screen -d |
| 05:24.31 | liable | err |
| 05:24.41 | liable | ^a d |
| 05:24.51 | Multiply | Will try |
| 05:25.09 | Multiply | Didn't work :P |
| 05:25.32 | liable | ctrl-a d ?? |
| 05:26.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, he's perhaps just a firm believer of write-only questions :) |
| 05:26.36 | Multiply | ^a d just froze the screen, actually |
| 05:27.07 | liable | what exactly did you press? |
| 05:27.18 | liable | CutMeOwnThroat: seems so |
| 05:27.20 | Multiply | I just typed ^a, and then d. |
| 05:27.25 | liable | maybe he has me on ignore.. |
| 05:27.30 | Multiply | Followed by enter, of course. |
| 05:27.33 | liable | ^ being? |
| 05:27.48 | Multiply | I just typed the letter ^, lol :P |
| 05:27.56 | liable | thought so :P |
| 05:28.03 | liable | i meant ctrl-a d |
| 05:28.07 | Multiply | Doh. xD |
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| 05:29.03 | Multiply | It doesn't seem to react, actually |
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| 05:30.58 | Pavlz | (WW) the directory "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillicâ does not exist Entry deleted from font path |
| 05:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pavlz, did you read what liable wrote? |
| 05:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or anyone here, for that matter |
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| 05:32.12 | Multiply | Hmm.. Why won't it detach? >__<' |
| 05:32.21 | liable | Pavlz: you need to look for lines starting with EE |
| 05:32.39 | Pavlz | I looked |
| 05:33.01 | Multiply | Ctrl-c terminates the screen. |
| 05:33.02 | Multiply | Darn it |
| 05:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and DONT paste this useless stuff - probably only one line out of all those will tell us what's wrong, don't spam us with all the others |
| 05:33.52 | shey | I am trying to make ndiswrapper as per the INSTALL. I just installed gcc (this is a fresh install of Debian Etch). loadndisdriver.c:15:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory is the first error amungst many. What am I missing? |
| 05:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | use a paster if you want to show the whole thing (dpkg should have told you how) |
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| 05:34.15 | Faca_ | hello |
| 05:34.34 | Pavlz | I found them |
| 05:34.37 | Multiply | Lol.. liable, my bad. ctrl+a d works |
| 05:34.52 | Pavlz | 6 lines |
| 05:34.58 | Multiply | I kinda clicked ctrl+d, and not a d |
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| 05:35.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | shey, /msg dpkg build-essential |
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| 05:36.00 | shey | CutMeOwnThroat: ty. will do. |
| 05:36.09 | Faca_ | if the output of dmesg | grep returns: usbcore: registered new interface driver rtl8187, thats means that the wireless device is recognized and the modules are loaded ? |
| 05:36.25 | Pavlz | (EE) Synaptics Touchpadno synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device |
| 05:36.28 | zamaliphe | how can i configure and run stalite card twinhan 1027 ad200 ? with nilesat ? |
| 05:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pavlz, use a paster for >3 lines |
| 05:36.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !paster |
| 05:36.54 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 05:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 05:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pastebin |
| 05:37.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 05:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk, never seen that other factoid before |
| 05:37.48 | Pavlz | (EE) Synaptics Touchpad Unable to query/initialize Synaptics hardware |
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| 05:38.33 | ultrav1olet | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.47 | karlpinc | My kde menu bar just vanished. Any way to get it back short of logging out and back in? |
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| 05:39.08 | Pavlz | (EE) PreInit failed for input device âSynaptics Touchpadâ |
| 05:39.30 | craigevil | karlpinc: just run kicker |
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| 05:39.56 | karlpinc | craigevil : Thanks. |
| 05:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ultrav1olet, you just run dhclient and if you get an answer and an IP, it was there? *shrug* |
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| 05:40.35 | Pavlz | (EE) xf86OpenSerial : Cannot open device /dev/wacom |
| 05:41.01 | Pavlz | No such file or directory |
| 05:41.11 | Multiply | Much nicer. |
| 05:41.19 | Multiply | screens for all my console apps :D |
| 05:41.48 | karlpinc | Multiply : I like " |
| 05:42.03 | Pavlz | the same message then is repeated for other 2 times |
| 05:42.10 | Multiply | karlpinc, you like "? o.o |
| 05:42.18 | karlpinc | Multiply : I like "escape \034\134" in my ~/.screenrc file to change the "command" character to ctrl-\ |
| 05:42.46 | karlpinc | Multiply : Makes it more emacs friendly. (Sorry about that, slippery enter key.) |
| 05:43.16 | Multiply | karlpinc, ah. :P I'll look into it. I always had the problem, that I couldn't detach my console apps, so I quitted using screens fast |
| 05:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | PaulTT, these are all meaningless. Synaptics is stuff for a touchpad, /dev/wacom is for tablet pc support - it doesn't matter if that fails |
| 05:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 05:44.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Pavlz, these are all meaningless. Synaptics is stuff for a touchpad, /dev/wacom is for tablet pc support - it doesn't matter if that fails |
| 05:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | PaulTT, sorry, keep sleeping :) |
| 05:45.13 | Pavlz | but x does not start |
| 05:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but these errors have nothing to do with it |
| 05:45.44 | Pavlz | there are only these messages as EE |
| 05:45.52 | Multiply | How can I (using bash) return every screen called itemXXXXX (Where the X's are always a 5 digit number)? (Assuming it's coming from screen -list. |
| 05:46.10 | karlpinc | Pavlz : But you've not put the X log anywhere so we can see it. |
| 05:46.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Multiply, "egrep item[0-9]{5}"? |
| 05:47.09 | Multiply | Let me try it out :P |
| 05:47.21 | Pavlz | I am working on a thinkpad |
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| 05:47.46 | Pavlz | of ibm t23 |
| 05:48.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Multiply, no idea how screen -list output looks like, though |
| 05:48.33 | Multiply | 1 line, for each active screen |
| 05:48.37 | Pavlz | the tablet that i am using to chat with you is nokia 770 |
| 05:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Multiply, looks like this for me: 25687.pts-16.homepc (Attached) |
| 05:49.18 | Multiply | Exactly. |
| 05:49.26 | Pavlz | and there is only xchat but there is not copy and paste |
| 05:49.31 | Multiply | I've got a few screens running, with specific names. |
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| 05:50.37 | Multiply | 23286.item18472 (Detached) |
| 05:51.10 | Multiply | I need to grab the first 5 numbers, and put it into a useable variable. And then itemXXXXX into another variable, called itemid |
| 05:51.10 | Pavlz | what can i do now ? |
| 05:51.29 | Multiply | And while looping thru it, it should print it to the console |
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| 05:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, I haven't even ever seen one of those thinkpad thingies :) |
| 05:53.51 | Pavlz | I tried to do a simple apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:54.35 | Pavlz | and the computer says that is not installed libc6 |
| 05:55.04 | Pavlz | and to use the command line apt-get -f |
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| 05:55.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Multiply, awk -F. '/Detached/{print "whatever text " $1 " whatever text " $2 "whatever text"}' to change the output to whatever you want (this only takes the Detached ones, obviously) |
| 05:55.59 | Pavlz | i did and the system replies me: |
| 05:56.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I'm tired, I'm going to bed |
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| 05:57.56 | Pavlz | dependencies not satisfied try to use apt-get -f install without packages or.specify a solution |
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| 06:11.03 | Pavlz | What is tzdata ? |
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| 06:18.09 | saimonn | Pavlz: time-zone data, information about standard local time for many representative locations around the globe. (winter/summer hours) |
| 06:18.14 | nxmehta | does anyone know of a command line search tool that does content indexing? basically i'm looking for something like gnome's tracker but for a headless server |
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| 06:22.08 | liable | Pavlz: its to set your time zone |
| 06:23.13 | Pavlz | I looked now on debian and is necessary too for X Window System |
| 06:23.24 | liable | Pavlz: which version of debian are you using? |
| 06:23.47 | liable | guesses a very old version |
| 06:24.43 | saimonn | nxmehta: (apt-cache show) doodle ? |
| 06:25.20 | Pavlz | tzdata_2007k-1etch_1_all.deb the version of debian is: 2.6.15-52-386 |
| 06:25.44 | saimonn | ouhc! |
| 06:28.22 | nxmehta | saimonn: thanks, that points me in the right direction |
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| 06:29.08 | liable | Pavlz: so you are doing apt-get -f install and its failing? |
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| 06:30.07 | Pavlz | Yes |
| 06:30.33 | liable | Pavlz: whats the exact error? |
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| 06:34.43 | Pavlz | i wrote now apt-cache add - tzdata |
| 06:35.00 | Pavlz | E: Unimplemented |
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| 06:38.05 | dustybin | where can i activate a script before everything loads? |
| 06:38.07 | liable | Pavlz: please stop telling us stuff we dont ask for, and try and answer the questions. what is the exact error when you do apt-get -f install ?? |
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| 06:40.25 | bolt | how can I start a background process, like "sleep 5&" and now get a message saying "Done" when it's complete? |
| 06:40.30 | dustybin | does /etc/rc.local get activated before everything else? |
| 06:40.31 | liable | Pavlz: what is your native language ? |
| 06:40.50 | liable | dustybin: look at the numbers in whatever run level you use |
| 06:41.48 | dustybin | liable: /etc/rc0.d |
| 06:41.54 | dustybin | ^^ those are first? |
| 06:42.37 | liable | dustybin: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 06:44.58 | dustybin | liable: if my PXE netboot machine doesnt do a proper shutdown, ie from a powercut or someone switched it off from the wall, when it reboots the local loopback interface is missing, to get it back i have to ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 and delete the udev rule, then reboot |
| 06:45.20 | liable | eek |
| 06:45.26 | dustybin | instead of me doing that everytime, i might as well put it in a script |
| 06:45.34 | bolt | hm.. i'm not making much sense, am I? typo... |
| 06:45.35 | bolt | how can I start a background process, like "sleep 5&" and NOT get a message saying "Done" when it's complete, or "Terminated" if I kill it? |
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| 06:46.50 | liable | dustybin: i suppose you would need to delete the rule before udev fires up. there must be a better approach |
| 06:47.44 | wols_ | bolt: maybe redirect the output |
| 06:48.21 | jelly-home | the message is output by the parent shell afaik |
| 06:48.27 | dustybin | liable: i could comment out the udev network rule generator, just keep a good one in place |
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| 06:49.05 | dustybin | liable: is the problem down to udev creating a bad rule entry if a crash occurs? |
| 06:49.09 | liable | dustybin: how does the rule go bad? i am not sure i understand whats going on |
| 06:49.35 | dustybin | liable: 2 interfaces should be listed, 1 for LAN, 1 for lo |
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| 06:49.42 | wols_ | dustybin: delete what udev rule for localhost? |
| 06:49.57 | dustybin | if there has been a crash, when i reboot, the udev entry shows just 1 entry |
| 06:50.00 | wols_ | dustybin: and your /etc/network/interfaces has the proper "lo" entries, both of them? |
| 06:50.06 | dustybin | wols_: yes |
| 06:50.31 | dustybin | auto lo |
| 06:50.31 | dustybin | iface lo inet loopback |
| 06:50.37 | liable | i havent ever seen a udev lo rule.. |
| 06:50.42 | dustybin | auto eth0 |
| 06:50.43 | dustybin | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 06:50.54 | liable | is that because its a thin client? |
| 06:51.08 | dustybin | liable: its basically a diskless mythtv frontend |
| 06:51.08 | wols_ | liable: me neitehr |
| 06:51.17 | wols_ | dustybin: what rule do you suspect is your lo in udev? |
| 06:51.27 | dustybin | it calls it eth1 |
| 06:52.00 | dustybin | SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:40:ca:8d:fa:ab", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0" |
| 06:52.19 | dustybin | thats what happens after a crash |
| 06:52.25 | liable | thats a real iface |
| 06:52.27 | wols_ | and the other rule? |
| 06:52.29 | liable | its got a mac |
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| 06:52.37 | dustybin | wols_: ill now delete that rule and reboot |
| 06:52.39 | dustybin | brb |
| 06:52.46 | wols_ | dustybin: NO! |
| 06:52.48 | liable | whats your ethernets mac address? |
| 06:52.53 | wols_ | dustybin: no one told you to do such a stupid thing |
| 06:53.35 | dustybin | wols_: when it reboots, it creates another fresh rule |
| 06:53.47 | wols_ | dustybin: I asked you something |
| 06:54.11 | dustybin | wols_: i suspect the lo to be eth1 |
| 06:54.12 | liable | i dont know what thats got to do with lo |
| 06:54.22 | liable | whats your ethernet card mac? |
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| 06:54.23 | Pavlz | I did cd /cdrom |
| 06:54.32 | Pavlz | then ls |
| 06:54.34 | dustybin | 00:40:ca:8d:fa:ab |
| 06:54.50 | liable | so, that rule is for your ethernet |
| 06:54.55 | liable | nothing to do with lo |
| 06:55.05 | Pavlz | and i don't read what is inside |
| 06:55.37 | wols_ | dustybin: boot up "crashlike", the give us the output of ifconfig -a, your full 70-persistent-net.rules in a pastebin |
| 06:55.39 | liable | Pavlz: please answer my questions. you havent answered a single one in over an hour of trying to help you |
| 06:55.52 | dustybin | wols_: ok |
| 06:56.01 | wols_ | Pavlz: until you answer liable's question, we won't help you |
| 06:56.14 | streuner | hands liable a crystal thingie |
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| 06:56.43 | wols_ | streuner: give him a 2x4 instead. much more useful in this case |
| 06:56.47 | Pavlz | Ok |
| 06:56.48 | liable | i think we need more than that in this case |
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| 06:57.28 | liable | Pavlz: for a start, are you having trouble understanding english? there might be a channel where you can talk in your native language |
| 06:57.56 | wols_ | Pavlz: are you polish, russian, bulgarian, romanian, etc? |
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| 06:58.12 | streuner | * [Pavlz] #theora #debian #ubuntu |
| 06:58.15 | jelly-home | german? |
| 06:58.21 | streuner | no |
| 06:58.31 | wols_ | pavel is an eastern eruopean name |
| 06:58.34 | streuner | germans unterstand english better :-) |
| 06:58.44 | liable | just cant write it.. |
| 06:58.47 | wols_ | streuner: they don't. but they make different mistakes writing it than him |
| 06:58.49 | liable | runs |
| 06:58.56 | dustybin | wols_: after a crash, the boot process gets stuck when trying to enable NFS mounts, because there is no 127.0.0.1, ill control c it so it resumes |
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| 06:59.13 | wols_ | dustybin: I don't care. do you have the file? do you have the output? |
| 06:59.21 | liable | man thats annoying |
| 06:59.26 | streuner | liable: thats only your fault |
| 06:59.48 | liable | streuner: bullshit, i have trying to help him for ages |
| 06:59.57 | jelly-home | liable: otoh, problem solved |
| 06:59.59 | wols_ | liable: I did before. it was hopeless |
| 07:00.06 | streuner | we told you, use your crystal thinge! :-P |
| 07:00.27 | liable | jelly-home: heh, indeed |
| 07:00.36 | wols_ | liable: I told him either he answers my question or I ignore him. he of course never did even try |
| 07:00.46 | streuner | liable: it was a joke, nm |
| 07:00.59 | liable | streuner: i know :P |
| 07:01.15 | liable | wols_: communication difficulties i think |
| 07:01.45 | streuner | well, he unterstood the pressure at least... |
| 07:02.02 | wols_ | maybe maybe not, but he at least tried to ask for help so he could try to answer too. if he doesn't want to, there is nothing we can do about it |
| 07:02.17 | dustybin | wols_: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2750 |
| 07:02.22 | wols_ | maybe he could say rubbish (probably) but he doesn't even try |
| 07:02.40 | wols_ | dustybin: where does this mythical lo come from? |
| 07:02.50 | wols_ | Ì want a ifconfig output with your eth1 ornothing or whatever |
| 07:03.15 | dustybin | wols_: i must of been wrong about that |
| 07:03.18 | wols_ | dustybin: as it'ws now it's useless |
| 07:03.52 | dustybin | wols_: as you can see, the lo hasnt been assigned a IP |
| 07:03.53 | wols_ | why did you say you have no lo when you clearly do? |
| 07:04.04 | dustybin | ifconfig shows nothing |
| 07:04.18 | dustybin | ifconfig -a shows both interfaces, but it isnt assigned a IP so its not there |
| 07:04.31 | dustybin | ifconfig only shows eth0 i mean |
| 07:04.36 | wols_ | dustybin: and this is a udev problem how? |
| 07:04.44 | dustybin | wols_: i havent a clue |
| 07:04.52 | wols_ | dustybin: then don't say it is! |
| 07:04.57 | dustybin | sorry |
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| 07:06.59 | dustybin | wols_: i have manually put in: ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 and rebooted the machine |
| 07:07.20 | streuner | wols_: "paolo" doesnt sound eastern... |
| 07:07.27 | streuner | liable: /whois pavlz |
| 07:07.58 | liable | poor fellow |
| 07:08.30 | wols_ | maybe we should ask a staffer from what country he is |
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| 07:09.08 | streuner | somebody already ask him questions in ##linux... |
| 07:09.12 | dustybin | wols_: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2751 |
| 07:10.05 | streuner | <Pavlz> only the updates requested from edubuntu 158 packages |
| 07:10.33 | streuner | thats the reason, he dont want answer further questions, because he using edubuntu |
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| 07:12.32 | liable | man its noob day everywhere i go.. |
| 07:12.46 | streuner | heh |
| 07:13.39 | streuner | liable: no worries |
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| 07:15.25 | streuner | needs a coffee |
| 07:15.47 | wols_ | btw, he's latvian |
| 07:16.03 | streuner | How do you know? |
| 07:16.49 | wols_ | I asked nalioth. and he told me there is a "irc name" entry in his whois which says this |
| 07:17.00 | wols_ | but so far he's the only one seeing it. I think staffer shenanigans |
| 07:17.16 | alvarezp | Hello |
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| 07:17.55 | streuner | strange username for someone out of latvian, but life is different... |
| 07:18.03 | jerome | hi there. Any guess what I should do to make users unable to poweroff the system using the gnome shutdown action ? |
| 07:18.18 | alvarezp | I'm trying to learn LyX, but font size of the UI is way too small. I don't find anything at the options. Google has not been of any help (so far) |
| 07:18.23 | jerome | I guess there should be some groups to remove them from |
| 07:18.26 | wols_ | make shutdown and halt non user runnable |
| 07:18.29 | nalioth | wols_: i never said the ircname = latvia. i said that the ircname provides a clue |
| 07:18.40 | wols_ | but: they can always cut the power |
| 07:19.59 | jerome | wols_: my users aren't evil, but they can be very stupid powering off a dom0 with some domU running. Especially when there is a damn poweron password on the station that takes forever to remember ... |
| 07:20.05 | jerome | coughs |
| 07:20.43 | alvarezp | Found it |
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| 07:21.49 | wols_ | jerome: make halt, shutdown and reboot only root runnable |
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| 07:25.03 | wols_ | a http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/only_in_usa.jpg |
| 07:25.12 | wols_ | sry. ECHAN |
| 07:25.24 | dustybin | !tell wols_ about topic |
| 07:25.44 | wols_ | *plonk* |
| 07:25.49 | streuner | liable: there are only a few assholes like him, but thats what you know already..., never mind... |
| 07:26.02 | liable | streuner: huh? |
| 07:26.08 | streuner | pavlz |
| 07:26.11 | liable | who? |
| 07:26.24 | wols_ | liable: "the moronic liar" |
| 07:26.26 | liable | oh, i dunno about asshole, more likely confused |
| 07:26.37 | liable | benifit of the doubt |
| 07:26.47 | liable | maybe i'm having a happy day.. |
| 07:26.57 | wols_ | liable: he runs ubuntu and didn't answer for a reason. he apaprently does answer on ##linux |
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| 07:27.17 | streuner | liable: i told you, it was a joke ;-) |
| 07:27.18 | wols_ | so him not answering was not due to confusion |
| 07:27.24 | liable | wols_: nod |
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| 07:27.49 | streuner | its only HIS fault |
| 07:27.57 | streuner | because he has no character |
| 07:28.11 | liable | im trying not to be an angry person. stop telling me the truth :P |
| 07:28.20 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:28.42 | wols_ | give in to your inner anger, let it out, feel the dark side, makes you strong. you know you want to do it. be angry... |
| 07:28.56 | liable | no, i get +b when i do that.. |
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| 07:29.09 | liable | if certain ops are around anyway.. |
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| 07:29.11 | wols_ | it's early utc. no op here as usual |
| 07:29.35 | streuner | they are here, when you dont need them :-) |
| 07:29.49 | liable | thats the truth.. |
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| 07:31.09 | giwe | shutdown -h now reboots the boxes instead of powering it off. Any ideas why? |
| 07:31.37 | streuner | that command is right in order to reboot? |
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| 07:32.36 | giwe | streuner: It used to shutdown this way. |
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| 07:32.51 | streuner | oh, sorry, true |
| 07:32.53 | giwe | streuner: Recently it reboots instead. |
| 07:33.04 | streuner | notebook? |
| 07:33.13 | giwe | streuner: nope. |
| 07:33.33 | liable | does halt work? |
| 07:33.49 | giwe | liable: I believe it also reboots |
| 07:33.55 | liable | odd |
| 07:34.02 | liable | giwe: test please |
| 07:34.24 | giwe | liable: I'll lost contact for a few minutes. |
| 07:34.29 | liable | k |
| 07:34.43 | giwe | liable: just halt with no parameters? |
| 07:34.48 | liable | yeah |
| 07:34.51 | giwe | okay |
| 07:35.10 | liable | i think its just a wrapper, but would be interesting to see |
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| 07:36.43 | streuner | should be a kernel thingie or a bug (if its lenny or sid) |
| 07:37.23 | streuner | giwe: what does "cat /proc/version" say, btw? |
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| 07:38.05 | streuner | giwe: what does "cat /proc/version" say, btw? |
| 07:38.07 | giwe_ | halt worked |
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| 07:38.19 | streuner | hm |
| 07:38.21 | giwe_ | streuner: just a second |
| 07:38.29 | streuner | giwe: what version of Debian? |
| 07:39.24 | liable | shutdown -h now works for me on my sid box |
| 07:39.31 | giwe_ | streuner: lenny |
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| 07:39.53 | streuner | maybe the version of sysvinit is diffent lenny vs. sid? |
| 07:40.02 | giwe_ | liable: It always worked. It recently stopped. |
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| 07:40.11 | streuner | judd, versions sysvinit |
| 07:40.12 | judd | streuner: sysvinit: 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 (etch) 2.86.ds1-47~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 2.86.ds1-61 (lenny) 2.86.ds1-61 (sid) |
| 07:40.13 | giwe_ | what halt wraps to? |
| 07:40.41 | liable | actually, i just checked and its a binary, so maybe its not a wrapper script |
| 07:40.58 | liable | for some reason i had the impression it was |
| 07:41.01 | giwe_ | liable: yes. I just saw it is a binary too. |
| 07:42.05 | streuner | Did you look at the BTS yet? |
| 07:42.17 | giwe_ | BTS? |
| 07:42.32 | streuner | !bts |
| 07:42.33 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 07:42.50 | giwe_ | No, I havent. |
| 07:42.59 | simonrvn | man shutdown: A lot of users forget to give the time argument and are then puzzled by the error message shutdown produces. The time argument is mandatory; in 90 percent of all cases this argument will be the word now. |
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| 07:43.36 | giwe_ | shutdown -h now is what I've been using for more than 10 years... |
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| 07:44.11 | simonrvn | ok, just checking ;) |
| 07:44.37 | giwe_ | no problem. it also puzzles me ;) |
| 07:45.06 | giwe_ | Well at least I know a workaround "halt". |
| 07:45.43 | giwe_ | Shutting down from the kdm also works (but I don't know exactly what it does). |
| 07:45.59 | giwe_ | maybe it just calls halt. |
| 07:46.16 | streuner | so the kernel o |
| 07:46.23 | dustybin | giwe: sounds like your infected with: viral.d3bi4n.r3b00ter.tr0jan.w32z |
| 07:46.23 | streuner | so the kernel works |
| 07:46.48 | simonrvn | i believe it just calls halt |
| 07:46.54 | giwe_ | dustybin: are you kidding or is this serious? |
| 07:47.12 | simonrvn | !lart dustybin |
| 07:47.12 | dpkg | takes dustybin to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 07:47.25 | simonrvn | "you're" |
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| 07:49.50 | streuner | fuck, /me is searching at bts |
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| 07:52.40 | liable | my TP fan has shat itself, and they say its not customer servicable. i shudder to think how much this will cost :( |
| 07:53.26 | OpenTokix | liable: Excuse me? |
| 07:54.01 | liable | OpenTokix: you're excused. carry on. |
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| 07:54.30 | OpenTokix | liable: But you are not making any sense. |
| 07:54.32 | ham5 | whats tp fan? |
| 07:54.38 | OpenTokix | shat? |
| 07:54.43 | ham5 | shit |
| 07:54.45 | OpenTokix | shudder? |
| 07:54.47 | streuner | thinkpad |
| 07:54.49 | liable | TP = thinkpad, shat = broke |
| 07:55.00 | ham5 | o |
| 07:55.01 | liable | shudder = i'm scared of |
| 07:55.08 | ham5 | defintly debian related ic |
| 07:55.19 | OpenTokix | Debian is not fan compatible |
| 07:55.33 | ham5 | shat compatible? |
| 07:55.56 | OpenTokix | liable: Well, not like a new laptop is expensive theese days |
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| 07:56.08 | rvsjoen | anyone have a clue whether the driver for intel wireless wifi link 4965agn does packet injection in debian ? |
| 07:56.22 | liable | OpenTokix: thinkpads are |
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| 07:56.38 | liable | well, some of them |
| 07:56.50 | liable | and this one is nowhere near its useby date |
| 07:57.47 | OpenTokix | ok |
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| 07:59.21 | OpenTokix | liable: Well, you can probably exchange it yourself. And I am sure there is a new fan on ebay |
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| 08:00.31 | liable | probably. it looks like it will be a pain, and i will probably break something. the question is whether its worth the risk |
| 08:00.57 | liable | i doubt the fan is available on ebay, will have to check |
| 08:01.19 | streuner | some other laptop manufactor just needed a few months and nothing happend much |
| 08:01.33 | streuner | dont know about TP support |
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| 08:02.14 | streuner | thats lenovo, isnt it? |
| 08:02.23 | liable | yes |
| 08:02.51 | karsten | streuner: My TP doesn't come with a support contract. You just use it and flush it ;-) |
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| 08:03.46 | OpenTokix | My TP fell of a truck... |
| 08:04.06 | karsten | liable: WRT thinkpad: there's a lot of third-party servicing available, dependign on where you are. I think yhou should be able to get it fisxed. Otherwiwse: s wap HD to a new system.... |
| 08:04.17 | karsten | got a TP out of a trunk.... |
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| 08:04.51 | karsten | liable: I've actually found a lot fo used parts, though not sure about fans specifically. It's probably a relatively standard component. |
| 08:05.25 | liable | karsten: its a reasonably new one, and i dont want to throw it out. it cost me a bucketload 2 years ago. and i live in .au, and we have no good places for this stuff |
| 08:05.45 | karsten | liable: Might try to scare up Heather Stern (starshine) in #svlug or #sbay. |
| 08:05.45 | karsten | liOK. |
| 08:06.06 | liable | she does parts? |
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| 08:07.19 | karsten | liable: Hrm. I don't think she's on. I can track her down IRL. |
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| 08:07.41 | liable | i recall the nick in hear, havent seen it for a while |
| 08:07.46 | karsten | No, but she knows laptop hardware out the wazoo. In CA, USA, though, Not God zone. |
| 08:07.50 | liable | here* |
| 08:09.00 | karsten | liable: What model?' |
| 08:09.40 | liable | t60p |
| 08:09.45 | liable | 2007-99m |
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| 08:11.30 | karsten | liable: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=224182 and quite a bit more on Google searching "thinkpad t60p fan replacement" |
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| 08:12.36 | liable | karsten: i need a bttery too. that died a few months back. |
| 08:12.44 | liable | not very happy with this one |
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| 08:14.07 | karsten | liable: That should be a standard item. Don't know if you have Fry's there yet, IIRC there's a Tandy shop that's pretty standard for electronics in AU. |
| 08:14.15 | karsten | And the fan varies by t60 a/b models. See this post for finding the right FRU: http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/message?board.id=T_Series_Thinkpads&thread.id=9664 |
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| 08:14.26 | liable | much thanks |
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| 08:14.45 | MrWax | For some reason my debian apache2 webserver is sending the utf-8 http headers, any way how I can change this to iso-8859-1? |
| 08:15.54 | SlimG | What's the name of that blue cli "GUI" debian is using during the install process? |
| 08:16.09 | OpenTokix | "Installer"? |
| 08:16.12 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 08:16.22 | karsten | SlimG: The console stuff? |
| 08:16.30 | SlimG | karsten: mhm |
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| 08:17.12 | themill | debconf |
| 08:17.42 | liable | its in warrenty still.. /me will take it in. at least theres a ibm offic in town |
| 08:17.46 | karsten | I think it's just menu. |
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| 08:19.11 | karsten | liable: good plan |
| 08:19.11 | karsten | lags. |
| 08:19.53 | liable | just that i installed a hacked bios and non-ibm wwan card, might have to swap that out before i send it back.. |
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| 08:27.19 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 08:27.40 | bolt-wor1 | HELLO |
| 08:28.14 | ktwilight | is there an easier way to view runlevels besides ls -l /etc/rc*.d? |
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| 08:28.36 | karmatronic | am i the only one suffering problems with psi,gajim or skype when putting them in tray ...? |
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| 08:28.43 | karmatronic | they jusr disappear |
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| 08:29.21 | bolt-wor1 | ktwilight: if you're looking for what runs at each runlevel, then I don't think so.. unless someone made a neat tool for it. you can probably find some bash script which prints it out nicely |
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| 08:30.28 | trumpen | Can I force the change of a client ip-address from the dhcp3 server side? |
| 08:30.31 | bolt-wor1 | karmatronic: I'd guess that's a problem with whatever tray you're using |
| 08:30.34 | ktwilight | bolt, ah k, thanks |
| 08:30.38 | ktwilight | uh bolt-wor1 ^ |
| 08:30.53 | bolt-wor1 | bolt is me at home :) you can call me that |
| 08:31.01 | karmatronic | bolt-wor1: yeah seeems to be a bug in python systray module |
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| 08:31.16 | ldp | Oh my god :| |
| 08:31.18 | bolt-work | karmatronic: go ahead and report it :) |
| 08:31.26 | ldp | I almost fainted when I saw the nick count |
| 08:31.28 | ldp | :| |
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| 08:38.59 | vadmeste_ | good morning |
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| 08:40.25 | Firztspawn | what is the correct way to set up a bootsplash screen in lenny? |
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| 08:47.55 | debianite | Hi, i'm looking for a console news reader to use in debian. |
| 08:48.34 | petemc | slrn |
| 08:49.05 | debianite | is it in Debian repos? |
| 08:49.17 | petemc | you could easily check that yourself |
| 08:49.38 | debianite | yes, you are wright, sorry! |
| 08:51.02 | debianite | it is, thanks, ist possible to use mutt as a news reader? |
| 08:51.51 | petemc | im not aware that you can, people say slrn is the mutt of newsreaders |
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| 08:52.17 | debianite | if thats true, than its fine by me. |
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| 08:53.00 | debianite | by the way i'm using irssi for the first time and its like that, the mutt of irc clients :) |
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| 08:53.16 | petemc | right, it sucks less |
| 08:53.29 | debianite | wath you meen? |
| 08:53.37 | petemc | thats mutts tag line |
| 08:53.48 | petemc | "it sucks less" |
| 08:54.26 | debianite | of coarse! :) it does suck less than all others! |
| 08:54.29 | mquin | writing a perfect mail(/news/web/irc/*) client is pretty much an impossible task - the results always suck. The best ones just suck less. |
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| 08:55.17 | debianite | regarding irssi, is it possible to have spell check? |
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| 08:56.21 | mquin | debianite: yes - see http://scripts.irssi.org/ |
| 08:57.53 | debianite | this stuff just keeps amaizing me more and more! |
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| 08:59.08 | ZeuZ | Will this ACL in squid allow my LAN to pass through to the Internet? (This is the rule: acl red_local src 172.16.0.0/24) |
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| 09:01.10 | mquin | ZeuZ: that will match requests from machines in the range 172.16.0.0/24 |
| 09:01.37 | mquin | on it's own it won't do anything - you'll need to reference it from a http_access statement |
| 09:01.50 | ZeuZ | mquin, could you handle me some info about that? |
| 09:02.05 | ZeuZ | or, better off, a sentence for compleating the ACL? |
| 09:02.41 | mquin | ZeuZ: the example squid.conf is pretty much self documenting |
| 09:02.43 | debshital | while booting from usb on a small laptop of 7 inch screen, screen starts flashing and if i press too many ENTER it says "u passed undefined argument" and lists video modes http://pastebin.com/m2517a028 asking me to enter or wait for 30 SECS to boot on itself, and boots fine too. how can i avoid that pressing ENTER key so that it has to boot by default? |
| 09:02.56 | ZeuZ | mquin, I got this far using the examples there, still I got stuck :P |
| 09:03.05 | ZeuZ | mquin, that's why I was asking you ;) |
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| 09:03.19 | joltcan | debianite: I would recommend the script auto-away, splitlong, title and go. |
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| 09:03.32 | mquin | you'll want something along the lines of "http_access allow red_local" before the final "http_access deny all" statement |
| 09:03.38 | debshital | %c4 while booting from usb on a small laptop of 7 inch screen, screen starts flashing and if i press too many ENTER it says "u passed undefined argument" and lists video modes http://pastebin.com/m2517a028 asking me to enter or wait for 30 SECS to boot on itself, and boots fine too. how can i avoid that pressing ENTER key so that it has to boot by default? plz any one there to help me? |
| 09:03.58 | debshital | while booting from usb on a small laptop of 7 inch screen, screen starts flashing and if i press too many ENTER it says "u passed undefined argument" and lists video modes http://pastebin.com/m2517a028 asking me to enter or wait for 30 SECS to boot on itself, and boots fine too. how can i avoid that pressing ENTER key so that it has to boot by default? |
| 09:04.28 | ZeuZ | mquin, so that's like with iptables, right? secuencial? |
| 09:05.12 | jelly | debshital: which debian release are you using? |
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| 09:06.13 | debshital | debian-lenny an usb-hdd Image and if i try to boot same on laptop with big screen it will boot finely |
| 09:06.55 | jelly | debshital: sounds like a weird vga= boot argument is used |
| 09:07.02 | jelly | get rid of it |
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| 09:08.32 | debshital | i tried vga=786 which is for 600x480 with this i will get something with many cursors and all but mine is 800x480 for which i am not getting vga variable |
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| 09:09.06 | debshital | jelly: can you plz help me?? |
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| 09:11.25 | tralala | debshital, remove the vga parameter completely |
| 09:11.39 | debshital | not worked |
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| 09:12.16 | debshital | vga=normal, vga=ask, all i tried, its bit ok when vga=786 |
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| 09:12.49 | mquin | ZeuZ: pretty much - see http://www.unix.com.ua/squid/FAQ-9.html for a better explanation |
| 09:13.38 | ZeuZ | mquin, thanks, that has solved my issue, now I'm gonna read the FAQ |
| 09:14.14 | ZeuZ | by the way, the only problem that remains is with for example HTTPS and squid, certificates become way longer than expected causing failures... |
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| 09:14.23 | ZeuZ | any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 09:14.35 | mquin | shrugs |
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| 09:14.43 | mquin | I've never seen that before |
| 09:15.14 | mquin | https is just passed through - the proxy doesn't mess with it (https would break if it did) |
| 09:15.36 | fluxdude | I need to use the match feature of openssh to set permit rules on a user by user basis but it seems that 4.3 the latest in stable doesn't support this |
| 09:15.55 | fluxdude | I have tried backports but it doesn't seem to have a more recent version... any other suggestions? |
| 09:16.27 | wols_ | fluxdude: backport it yourself? |
| 09:16.41 | fluxdude | wols_: never done that before... dunno how |
| 09:16.54 | wols_ | !tell fluxdude about ssb |
| 09:18.16 | jelly | debshital: so, don't use a graphic mode at all |
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| 09:18.41 | debshital | then how to enable text mode? |
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| 09:19.46 | jelly | debshital: not sure; vga=normal or no vga= at all maybe |
| 09:20.04 | debshital | ok |
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| 09:22.36 | fluxdude | wols_: thx |
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| 09:25.27 | debshital | is there special parameter to enable text mode booting? |
| 09:25.45 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 09:26.07 | petemc | debshital: its the other way round, you use a parameter to set non text mode booting |
| 09:26.29 | liable | wonders about what distro we are talking about |
| 09:27.29 | liable | debshital: what exactly do you mean by text mode booting? |
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| 09:28.04 | debshital | means the details we can see while booting |
| 09:28.25 | liable | debshital: debian shows that by default. what distro are you using? |
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| 09:28.54 | debshital | i am using debian itself, but on usb HDD image |
| 09:29.11 | liable | what do you see when it boots? |
| 09:29.17 | MariachiAC | Hello, I'm unable to suspend my laptop using debian lenny. I installed laptop support, but it does not seem to work. Is there something i need to do? |
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| 09:30.31 | liable | debshital: what do you see when it boots? |
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| 09:32.12 | debshital | i just struck by flshing screen, and if i enter too many ENTER key it will ask enter SPACE to continue or wait for 30 secs if i do both it will boot finely |
| 09:32.50 | liable | flashing screen of what? |
| 09:33.06 | liable | what does it look like? |
| 09:33.24 | debshital | a blank screen flashes |
| 09:33.26 | tralala | debshital, do you see a boot loader screen? |
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| 09:33.47 | debshital | it uses syslinux as bootloader |
| 09:34.00 | liable | what arch is your box? |
| 09:34.09 | debshital | its intel |
| 09:34.20 | liable | why are you using syslinux? |
| 09:34.29 | debshital | yess |
| 09:34.32 | jelly | liable: booting off usb |
| 09:34.36 | stefan_k | hello, when ist the debian lenny release termin? (should it be Sep 08??; we have October) |
| 09:34.47 | debshital | if i use vga=786 i will get something blurred |
| 09:35.00 | tralala | debshital, have you tried changing the syslinux config so it doesn't pass vga parameter? |
| 09:35.10 | debshital | 786 is for 600x480 but i wanted 800x480 |
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| 09:35.17 | liable | jelly: syslinux is needed for usb? |
| 09:35.22 | debshital | yess |
| 09:35.28 | tralala | wwlr, /msg dpkg |
| 09:35.32 | tralala | meh |
| 09:35.34 | tralala | stefan_k, /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 09:35.42 | jelly | liable: apparently! |
| 09:35.47 | E-bola | Can i somehow see which packages are in etch-backports ? |
| 09:36.03 | E-bola | I need it to upgrade spamassassin and im pondering if i should add it completely or only for the needed packages |
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| 09:36.17 | jelly | debshital: you'll need to scan your VESA bios and see if there's a 800x480 mode available |
| 09:36.30 | tralala | E-bola, you add it completely and you use pinning as explained on their page |
| 09:37.05 | E-bola | tralala: I know i can do that, but im just wondering if it wouldnt be fine to just add it all |
| 09:37.21 | E-bola | im looking at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/allpackages and it doesnt seem like theres an insane amount of packages |
| 09:37.31 | debshital | yaa i scanned but it wont list the pixels instead its like this http://pastebin.com/m2517a028 |
| 09:37.46 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 09:37.46 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, tralala" |
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| 09:38.04 | E-bola | Where can i read the "concept"policy" of etch-backports? |
| 09:38.06 | liable | just felt an urge to do that.. sorry |
| 09:38.15 | E-bola | Or is it just random packages that somebody decided to backport? |
| 09:38.20 | petemc | E-bola: tried looking on backports.org? |
| 09:38.38 | jelly | debshital: so, only the basic text modes. Does choosing 0 make it go further, with text being visible? |
| 09:38.48 | fluxdude | I've tried doing the sid source backport thing, it all built ok from the src debs but now I cannot dpkg -i *.deb, it complains about dependency problems and versions of libraries being too old... |
| 09:38.50 | fluxdude | any ideas? |
| 09:39.05 | debshital | jelly: yess ofcourse |
| 09:39.07 | E-bola | petemc: mm ive been there many times, im just not sure what the link is between backports.org and the integrated etch-backports and sarge-backports |
| 09:39.20 | fluxdude | at this point I'm inclined to just add testing sources and then apt-pin to stable except for the openssh server package I need |
| 09:39.25 | jelly | debshital: so why not try giving your boot loader vga=0 |
| 09:39.38 | fluxdude | unless anyone has any better ideas, or just confirmation that this is ok to do? |
| 09:39.42 | debshital | jelly: i tried but did not worked |
| 09:39.53 | jelly | debshital: hmph. waht about 0x200? |
| 09:40.05 | petemc | E-bola: i wasnt aware there was an integrated etch-backports |
| 09:40.23 | debshital | not tried |
| 09:40.41 | debshital | jelly but it should be in decimal right? |
| 09:40.58 | E-bola | petemc: well by integrated i just meant, listed on packages.debian.org |
| 09:41.14 | jelly | debshital: dunno about syslinux, but lilo and grub (and the kernel) accept hex too these days |
| 09:41.27 | debshital | ok |
| 09:41.50 | debshital | but i can convert this to decimal and use? |
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| 09:42.01 | petemc | E-bola: are backports listed there? |
| 09:42.06 | jelly | debshital: sure |
| 09:42.09 | jelly | 512 |
| 09:42.40 | debshital | i dont think it will work |
| 09:42.57 | liable | thats positive thinking |
| 09:43.24 | E-bola | petemc: ummm yes? |
| 09:43.34 | E-bola | have been for atleast a couple of months |
| 09:43.52 | E-bola | Which is cool :) |
| 09:44.00 | petemc | i wasnt aware |
| 09:44.01 | fluxdude | I'll take that as a no then... |
| 09:44.07 | petemc | nor is it obvious looking there now |
| 09:44.51 | E-bola | http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
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| 09:45.47 | petemc | fantastic then |
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| 09:47.23 | debshital | jelly: its not working |
| 09:47.43 | MrWax | For some reason my debian apache2 webserver is sending the utf-8 http headers, any way how I can change this to iso-8859-1? |
| 09:48.30 | jelly | debshital: how is it not working? what happens? |
| 09:48.54 | debshital | again same it just get struck |
| 09:49.21 | debshital | with vga=786 its some what fine |
| 09:49.32 | debshital | but its not exactly matching |
| 09:49.46 | debshital | with that i can see something |
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| 09:54.55 | jelly | debshital: can you boot with that and switch to the native res in X? |
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| 09:55.44 | debshital | yess after booting screen will be normal, but at boot screen only have this problem |
| 09:58.53 | bolt-work | MrWax: try #apache |
| 10:02.02 | jelly | debshital: ok, so the initial text mode works, but boot loader or the kernel mess it up. try vga=normal _and_ nofb |
| 10:02.15 | jelly | oh wait |
| 10:02.33 | jelly | debshital: does the text mode work before you get to syslinux booting? |
| 10:03.34 | debshital | yaa one line i will get "loading kernel.......ready" then it switches to graphical where it get strck |
| 10:04.16 | jelly | oh, also, video=vga |
| 10:04.30 | debshital | means? |
| 10:04.37 | liable | debshital: why are you using syslinux? |
| 10:04.43 | jelly | yet another boot parameter |
| 10:04.59 | liable | are you using ntloader or something as your bootloader? |
| 10:04.59 | debshital | then how i can come out of this? |
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| 10:05.49 | debshital | no its syslinux |
| 10:06.00 | zomak | I have problem with lenny. knetworkmanager in KDE wont let me to join any wpa secured wireless networks. Any ideas ? is wpa_supplicant needed in order to knetworkmanager to handle wpa networks correctly |
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| 10:10.32 | prahal | zomak, yes |
| 10:11.17 | liable | woulda thought it was a dependancy |
| 10:11.30 | zomak | liable: yeah it is, put how to configure it correctly |
| 10:11.46 | zomak | prahal: after some googleing it seems that ath5k + networkmanager just isnt a good combo. seems i have to try madwifi-ng driver (not the ath5k that is supplied with debian kernel) |
| 10:11.49 | prahal | zomak, nothing to configure ... it uses dbus to communicate |
| 10:12.26 | zomak | prahal: so there is no need for anything in /etc/networks/interfaces = |
| 10:12.31 | liable | ath5k is still buggy as hell, at least in the debian kernels |
| 10:12.44 | prahal | zomak, ath5k does not work in mainstream kernels (I use wireless-testing and it works like a charm ... |
| 10:13.08 | prahal | it authenticates correctly in 2.6.27 but does not associate |
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| 10:13.36 | zomak | prahal: ok.. then i suppose ill compile my own kernel and put madwifi-ng driver in it |
| 10:13.36 | biopyte | Hello, i just realized that "xmms" was removed from lenny and sid. whats that? this has been and still is my audio working horse for many years. dont want to miss it. theres so much crap to be removed from the distro, but definitly not this one. sorry, i guess this has been discussed before, but im surprised about the fact. |
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| 10:13.50 | zomak | biopyte: try audacious, xmms is outdated |
| 10:13.52 | prahal | zomak, you don't need a custom kernel for madwifi |
| 10:13.58 | wols_ | biopyte: xmms isn't developed anymore |
| 10:14.04 | prahal | oh madwifi-ng did not knew about that one |
| 10:14.05 | liable | !why is xmms not in testing? |
| 10:14.05 | dpkg | xmms is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xmms |
| 10:14.41 | liable | there isnt madwifi-ng anymore, its just madwifi |
| 10:14.43 | zomak | prahal: aye i know i dont NEED one, but the debians bundled kernels are too bloated, dont need everything they come with :) |
| 10:14.46 | zomak | liable: kk |
| 10:15.09 | prahal | zomak, then give a shot at wireless-testing and use ath5k :) |
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| 10:15.37 | zomak | prahal: wireless-testing, where to obtain it ? |
| 10:15.46 | biopyte | zomak, wols: i see. but it always did and still is doing a good job. never had problems, nice and clean. is audacious its clone? i will check it out. |
| 10:15.54 | liable | prahal: that needs a complete kernel build though. be carefull suggesting that to people that may not know how to |
| 10:16.09 | prahal | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-testing.git;a=shortlog |
| 10:16.18 | zomak | biopyte: at least it has same "winamp classic" theme with it :) |
| 10:16.42 | liable | is xmms really dead? |
| 10:16.48 | zomak | prahal: thx, think ill compile my own however.. have very limited ram and hdd in my thin client |
| 10:17.44 | prahal | sure zomak are you experienced with building kernels ? (don't forget to keep backup ones in your bootloader and to compile with VT enabled, and your root filesystem builtin |
| 10:17.45 | biopyte | wols_, zomak: honestly, i dont understand, why the latest version of xmms was not kept. i bet there were a few megabytes on the ftp-server in spare. |
| 10:18.23 | zomak | biopyte: since its outdated, buggy and there are no development in it anymore.. |
| 10:18.26 | biopyte | but the small dont have to understand everything, right. :- |
| 10:18.33 | biopyte | small people |
| 10:18.49 | zomak | biopyte: if you want, you can still get it from the old repositories, right ? |
| 10:19.01 | biopyte | buggy, hmm, i didnt know ... never had problems |
| 10:19.09 | biopyte | sure |
| 10:19.34 | prahal | isn't there xmms2 by the same maintenairs ? maybe an upgrade dependency would have been neat (about keeping xmms ok but that mean keeping all its depenedencies for which it may well be the sole user nowadays) |
| 10:19.37 | zomak | but give audacious a try, should have same functions as xmms |
| 10:19.38 | biopyte | its always been one of the absolut standards on all of my installations |
| 10:19.40 | biopyte | sigh |
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| 10:19.46 | zomak | prahal: is there a GUI for xmms2 already ? |
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| 10:20.16 | darx | hi, is it possible to forward pointer input form one computer to another? |
| 10:20.44 | prahal | zomak, abraca , esperanza, gxmms2, etc |
| 10:20.49 | zomak | prahal: ok |
| 10:20.51 | darx | I have a nokia n800 running a variant of debian. I was wondering if I could use it as a wireless tablet. |
| 10:20.54 | biopyte | zomak: ok |
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| 10:23.14 | wols_ | darx: sure. what wlan chipset? |
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| 10:23.31 | wols_ | darx: not really but you could use remote X |
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| 10:23.50 | prahal | darx, I am afraid it has not been done for maemo yet (I a pretty confident it has been done in opensource on S60 ....) |
| 10:24.10 | wols_ | prahal: maemo runs linux |
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| 10:24.21 | wols_ | oh, you mean a tablet like wacom. misunderstood |
| 10:24.32 | prahal | yep I was implying it has been done for linux yet |
| 10:24.36 | wols_ | that's a graphics tablet |
| 10:24.52 | wols_ | wireless tablet is exactly what maemo is sold as |
| 10:24.53 | prahal | yes something like a mouse if I understood well |
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| 10:25.23 | wols_ | darx: btw, we don't support variants of debian |
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| 10:27.49 | darx | hmm |
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| 10:28.17 | darx | debian arm runs on nokia devices |
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| 10:28.45 | darx | infact i've installed a binary version and it ran quite well |
| 10:30.15 | darx | runs on nokia tablets that is. |
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| 10:30.44 | Trewas | darx: n8x0 uses a debian-derivative out-of-the-box |
| 10:32.00 | darx | Yes.. I read that somewhere. I kinda guessed because it has apt |
| 10:33.42 | darx | here's debian on n8x0 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/JohnX/screenshots/epiphanyxwd.jpg |
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| 10:34.36 | darx | i ran this once. xkbd was horrible other than that, everything else worked pretty well |
| 10:35.33 | stefan_k | tralala: thanks |
| 10:37.23 | prahal | darx, found maemote and pluto yet ... pretty hard to find projects for maemo . not yet what you are looking for but closer |
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| 10:39.29 | darx | prahal: I was looking for a way to be able to hand draw diagrams and stuff |
| 10:40.25 | liable | hmm, i tried that a while back, forget what i used. it was pretty crap anyway (was trying to do floorplans) |
| 10:40.48 | darx | cool |
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| 10:41.48 | darx | Of course I can do that on the device with xournal but I need to screencap it as well. |
| 10:43.02 | darx | Perhaps remote x is what I should be looking at. I've not done that before. Should the window managers be the same for remote x? |
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| 10:50.54 | jitu3485 | hi is it necessary to download all iso image dvd1, dvd 2,dvd3 and updates from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-dvd/ to install debian on my system |
| 10:51.08 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 10:51.08 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 10:51.36 | beardy | jitu3485: No. |
| 10:52.10 | jitu3485 | beardy, only one of them will suffice? |
| 10:52.19 | jitu3485 | which one? |
| 10:52.20 | liable | jitu3485: if you had read the debian.org web site, it should have become clear. |
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| 10:52.34 | koan | darx: look at x2x or synergy |
| 10:52.57 | liable | reading is hard, but its not *that* hard |
| 10:53.15 | jitu3485 | k |
| 10:54.06 | liable | i do however think the web site isnt as easy to navigate as it could be |
| 10:54.41 | bolt-work | there should be an oversized link to netinst on the front page |
| 10:55.08 | liable | agreed, an explanation of this stuff. |
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| 10:58.07 | wols_ | aren't there any webdesigners DDs? |
| 10:59.19 | jitu3485 | liable, thanks i got it on site |
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| 11:00.14 | liable | jitu3485: cool |
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| 11:01.34 | tarzeau | wols_: you want a better www.debian.org ? |
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| 11:04.08 | tghy | Well hello |
| 11:04.26 | tghy | Failed to initialize the GLX module. In X logs |
| 11:04.35 | tarzeau | tghy: nvidia? |
| 11:04.38 | tghy | Y |
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| 11:04.50 | tarzeau | tghy: etch? |
| 11:05.02 | aidehua | I have a PDF form to fill out and it doesn't have and FDFs. How could I fill this form out (other than with a printer+paper+pen)? |
| 11:05.03 | tghy | I have 2.6.26-1-686 + offical nvidia drivers |
| 11:05.18 | tghy | tarzeau: lenny |
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| 11:06.05 | themill | aidehua: there's pdfedit that I have used to do that sort of thing before. It's not that friendly and can be crashy (save early save often) but will do it for you. (You basically add text boxes over the top of the appropriate places of the form) |
| 11:06.18 | tghy | I come here becoz google doesnt told me simple decision for this question |
| 11:06.20 | themill | judd: versions pdfedit |
| 11:06.22 | judd | themill: pdfedit: 0.4.1-1~bpo40+1 (etch-backports) 0.4.1-2 (lenny) 0.4.1-2 (sid) |
| 11:06.38 | themill | aidehua: ^^ grab the one from backports.org if you are using etch. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 11:07.05 | E-bola | I got an issue with awk in debian; `echo 'Hello,World' | /usr/bin/awk '{printf \"%s %s\\n\", strftime(\"%T\"), \$0}' 2>&1` |
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| 11:07.17 | E-bola | That command does not work, just reports command not found |
| 11:07.49 | aidehua | themill: pdfedit isn't particularly friendly, is it? :D |
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| 11:08.00 | themill | heh |
| 11:08.15 | aidehua | themill: Ideally, I'd like to use pdfedit to add FDFs to the PDF, then use pdfkit to fill out the FDFs in the PDF. |
| 11:08.35 | aidehua | (I couldn't see how to do that -- it might not be supported.) |
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| 11:08.57 | tghy | I had working harddrive render support with official nvidia driver last day. In this day i have turned on my PC and got NOT loaded glx without any reason! I dont know where to dig |
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| 11:09.28 | wols_ | tarzeau: would be nice. 1999 called, they want their website back |
| 11:09.44 | tarzeau | wols_: here's my proposal: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/www.debian.org/ |
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| 11:09.58 | wols_ | tghy: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 11:09.59 | themill | E-bola: you've got about 6 too many backslashes in that command for bash to be happy. Maybe other shells would be happy. |
| 11:10.21 | tarzeau | wols_: it's just a small change in the css |
| 11:10.24 | wols_ | keep working on it before proposing |
| 11:10.36 | E-bola | themill: i copied it from a perl util (MailScanner) it uses it to verfiy if awk works with strftime |
| 11:10.44 | E-bola | and it seems from: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=113894 |
| 11:10.47 | tarzeau | wols_: i think they should alliance with got milk! |
| 11:10.49 | tghy | wols_: Should happen something? Its nothing |
| 11:10.57 | E-bola | that the debian awk (gawk) does not inclulde this function? Can that be true? |
| 11:10.59 | wols_ | tghy: then you don't have nvidia drivers installed at all |
| 11:11.04 | tarzeau | wols_: either that or a large beer company |
| 11:11.06 | themill | E-bola: then the extra quoting is probably for perl's sake not the shell |
| 11:11.35 | tghy | wols_: Sounds fun. I had installed nvidia drivers last day ago. |
| 11:11.53 | themill | E-bola: from that bug, it sounds like you should install gawk instead of mawk (which is the default). You may want to update-alternatives to select which awk you get by default |
| 11:12.18 | wols_ | tghy: you are mistaken. you installed the nvidia.com .run package which we don't support. ask #nvidia with your problems and be advised that you will have to reinstall them often since they break yourpackage management. Have a nice day |
| 11:12.21 | E-bola | themill: Well do you know which of them have strftime? Since that seems to be what i need |
| 11:13.00 | themill | E-bola: I have gawk as my awk and strftime worked fine. |
| 11:13.22 | tghy | wols_: Reinstall is solving problem but its not enough for me. I want know what happened this night!!! |
| 11:13.46 | wols_ | tghy: we don't give a fuck. we don't support your nvidia package as I told you |
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| 11:14.06 | tghy | wols_: Im not about it. |
| 11:14.30 | wols_ | tghy: english please. this sentences misses some word |
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| 11:14.59 | tghy | wols_: British english please |
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| 11:15.27 | wols_ | tghy: I am german. if you don't want to answer: solve your own problems. as you should with your software choices anyways |
| 11:15.34 | tghy | Great Britian english please! |
| 11:15.36 | E-bola | themill: not sure what ive done, but i uninstalled mawk and the original-awk, and installed gawk as u sugested |
| 11:15.38 | E-bola | and now it works |
| 11:15.39 | E-bola | weird :) |
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| 11:16.10 | themill | E-bola: Do you know how the alternatives system works? |
| 11:16.28 | E-bola | themill: nope, used debian for 5 years, and never even heard of it :) |
| 11:16.49 | tghy | Im not need support. I askd bout some tip!! |
| 11:17.03 | wols_ | tghy: you want support. now go and ask #nvidia, not us |
| 11:17.46 | tghy | This is very routine question. I find some gouys with known problem |
| 11:17.58 | themill | E-bola: it's how we handle having mawk gawk ${X}awk all on the same system and allow the admin to select which one will actually be called by /usr/bin/awk. It's all done with symlinks and the man pages for them will also get updated when you change the symlinks using update-alternatives. /msg dpkg alternatives |
| 11:18.02 | wols_ | tghy: you are offtopic |
| 11:18.23 | tghy | You are |
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| 11:18.48 | tghy | Im going to ask nvidia channel |
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| 11:19.53 | E-bola | themill: thanks for the info. Btw /msg dpkg alternatives has a typo, just in case you know how to update it |
| 11:20.30 | themill | E-bola: it does? |
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| 11:20.52 | E-bola | double "is" |
| 11:21.04 | themill | E-bola: ahh.. missed that |
| 11:21.16 | E-bola | tiny problem :) |
| 11:21.23 | themill | dpkg: alternatives =~ s/is // |
| 11:21.23 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 11:21.35 | Tominator | hi! I've got a propblem with my mysql-server.... trying to stop it, it prints out en error: "access denied for user "debian-sys-maint"@"localhost" (using password: YES)" and obove that thing it says "/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at "localhost" failed"... qhat could be the reason for that? |
| 11:22.05 | tghy | wols_: Which server + nvidia channel should be? |
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| 11:22.29 | vadmeste_ | Tominator, log in as superuser and retry.. |
| 11:22.34 | wols_ | this server. and I won't tell you the channel a 5th time |
| 11:22.35 | tghy | wols_: freenode + nvidia = quiet |
| 11:22.45 | Tominator | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.24 | Tominator | stopping the server won't work either# |
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| 11:24.04 | wols_ | tghy: not our problem |
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| 11:24.24 | vadmeste_ | Tominator, execute that "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" |
| 11:24.45 | tghy | wols_: Just not yours. I find simple answer |
| 11:25.09 | wols_ | tghy: have fun looking. btw: there is no reason at all to use nvidia.com drivery fyi |
| 11:25.33 | tghy | wols_: Any suggestions? |
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| 11:26.01 | Tominator | vadmeste_: as I said... stopping the server won't work |
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| 11:26.37 | Tominator | "Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!" |
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| 11:27.11 | Tominator | and this error: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 11:27.11 | Tominator | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 11:27.11 | Tominator | also appears booting my mashine... |
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| 11:28.42 | rvsjoen | did you muck with the password ? |
| 11:28.59 | Tominator | well... I changed my password... |
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| 11:29.23 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.23 | Tominator | right after the installation |
| 11:29.41 | Tominator | I am using debian packages... |
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| 11:30.57 | rvsjoen | are you able to log in to the mysql server with your user ? |
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| 11:33.15 | ham5 | would I have to setup my sound again after compiling a new kernel? |
| 11:33.47 | ham5 | or did I not do something right configuring the kernel... |
| 11:33.55 | rvsjoen | not if your new kernel has the modules you need |
| 11:33.56 | tghy | wols_: Ok. What package i should get in? |
| 11:34.33 | Tominator | rvsjoen: logging in works |
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| 11:34.59 | wols_ | tghy: what debian version, what kernel, what nvidia card? |
| 11:35.22 | wols_ | ham5: you didn't do something right when configuring it most likely |
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| 11:35.56 | tghy | wols_: lenny, 2.6.26-1-686, nvidia 7 series |
| 11:36.10 | ham5 | ok |
| 11:36.21 | wols_ | !tell tghy about nvidia_lenny |
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| 11:46.32 | tghy | wols_: Sry was afk. |
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| 11:46.59 | tghy | wols_: This? nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
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| 11:53.54 | Xecuter | hi! is this the channel for the debian openmoko project? |
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| 11:54.20 | quitte | no |
| 11:55.06 | ilaiho | I want to activate sudo tty_ticets in preseed |
| 11:55.09 | Xecuter | know if there is one? |
| 11:55.27 | ilaiho | is there some recommended way to do it? |
| 11:55.46 | quitte | Xecuter: maybe on oftc |
| 11:56.10 | Xecuter | quitte, thx ;) |
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| 11:57.23 | superjoe30 | I created a guide on installing wireless drivers for dell 1525 laptops - does someone want to look at it and make sure I didn't make blatant linux errors? |
| 11:57.28 | superjoe30 | http://www.superjoesoftware.com/articles/dell-1525-debian-wireless |
| 11:57.56 | telmich | hello |
| 11:58.06 | superjoe30 | hi |
| 11:58.21 | telmich | I'm trying to install debian lenny beta2 to a lenovo x200, which has the intel 82567LM nic attached |
| 11:58.43 | telmich | but the installer did not find the e1000e; anyone an idea what to use to insatll testing on it? |
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| 11:59.34 | wols_ | tghy: the factoid tells you what to do |
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| 11:59.59 | rvsjoen | superjoe30 : the only question I have is why not use patch instead of "my favourite editor" to apply the patches |
| 12:00.04 | wols_ | telmich: e1000? |
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| 12:00.52 | telmich | wols_: e1000e |
| 12:01.02 | telmich | wols_: I tried to load it manually, but that does not work |
| 12:01.28 | superjoe30 | rvsjoen, good question. that's the kind of stuff I wanted you to catch - I wrote it that way because I was trying to understand the diff syntax when I did it, but you're right, I should use patch in the guide |
| 12:01.30 | wols_ | !tell telmich about doesn't work |
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| 12:01.46 | telmich | wols_: it is not detected. there's no eth0 |
| 12:01.50 | wols_ | superjoe30: what's worng with b43 that debian ships with? |
| 12:02.05 | wols_ | superjoe30: that's a GPLed driver in the default kernel |
| 12:02.07 | wols_ | !b43 |
| 12:02.08 | dpkg | methinks b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). Supported devices list at http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. |
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| 12:02.33 | telmich | wols_: lspci lists the device, but e1000e in 2.6.24-1-amd64 seems not to recognize it |
| 12:03.03 | superjoe30 | wols_, using ndiswrapper and fwcutter - isn't that essentially wrapping a windows driver? |
| 12:03.10 | wols_ | superjoe30: no it's not |
| 12:03.19 | wols_ | this is not ndiswrapper |
| 12:04.22 | wols_ | telmich: what does dmesg say? |
| 12:04.36 | superjoe30 | all this time, and there was a GPL'd one available? bahhh |
| 12:05.02 | tghy | wols_: Sorry. I doesnt took anything you said |
| 12:05.06 | telmich | wols_: no errors, only thet e100e is loaded |
| 12:05.12 | telmich | wols_: but also no nics listed |
| 12:05.15 | wols_ | tghy: did you see what dpkg messaged you? |
| 12:05.31 | superjoe30 | !tell superjoe30 about doesn't work |
| 12:05.32 | wols_ | telmich: how did you check for eth0? |
| 12:05.53 | wols_ | superjoe30: before you throw out your work, read the factoid more carefully |
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| 12:06.10 | omry | suddenly I started to get this when I run zsh and screen : mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty' . /dev/tty* group was root. I tried to change it to tty but it didn't make any difference. any idea? |
| 12:06.10 | tghy | wols_: no |
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| 12:06.26 | tghy | wols_: He nothing told me |
| 12:06.36 | wols_ | tghy: you are wrong. you got a message |
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| 12:06.42 | telmich | wols_: ip l |
| 12:07.13 | wols_ | telmich: ifconfig -a |
| 12:07.27 | wols_ | tghy: 31min ago |
| 12:08.10 | telmich | wols_: there is no ifconfig on debian lenny installer |
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| 12:08.31 | superjoe30 | wols_, I believe I recall those drivers not working for my model for some reason. I suppose I could remove the proprietary one and install those to test them |
| 12:09.16 | wols_ | telmich: /proc/net/dev is there tho :) |
| 12:09.28 | wols_ | superjoe30: I told you to read the factoid |
| 12:09.41 | superjoe30 | I did, what do you think I missed? |
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| 12:09.45 | telmich | wols_: it is *not* there, you can believe me |
| 12:09.52 | tghy | wols_: This ??? !tell tghy about nvidia_lenny |
| 12:10.11 | wols_ | tghy: tghy this made dpkg send you a PM |
| 12:10.33 | superjoe30 | telmich, it's in /sbin, you have to use sudo |
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| 12:11.11 | telmich | superjoe30: there is *NO* eth0 there |
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| 12:11.34 | Crypticfortune | I'll be setting up a new lab mail server soon-ish and am trying to decide cyrus vs. courier vs. other? any thoughts/suggestions? |
| 12:11.34 | telmich | superjoe30: and *NO*, there is *NO* ifconfig on the debian lenny beta 2 cd |
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| 12:12.00 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: dovecot is another alternative. that's about it |
| 12:12.06 | telmich | damn, seems nobody really understands in here, that the kernel shipped on that cd does *NOT* detect the nic |
| 12:12.24 | wols_ | cyrus is the most featureful. and thanks due not using maildir the fastest with many mails per folder |
| 12:12.35 | patter | dovecot's a light program & pretty fast to run |
| 12:12.54 | wols_ | patter: with 20k mails in a folder? |
| 12:13.13 | superjoe30 | telmich, you said there's no "ifconfig" program? that makes me suspicious that yer doin' it wrong |
| 12:13.15 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: you need to give us more info |
| 12:13.19 | jelly | telmich: your nic might be too new for 2.6.24. Be warned that really new kernels have issues with some e1000e cards, and can _break hardware_ |
| 12:13.26 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 12:13.26 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 12:13.28 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 12:13.36 | patter | I tend to clean at about 2000, though thats more of a mut problem |
| 12:13.40 | wols_ | abrotman: is kmuto updated still? |
| 12:13.42 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: do you intend to do shared folders? |
| 12:13.56 | telmich | jelly: yep, saw that |
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| 12:14.23 | telmich | superjoe30: there is *NO* ifconfig and also *NO* eth0 |
| 12:14.27 | abrotman | wols_: he has a .25 there? with ubuntu firmware whatever that means |
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| 12:14.50 | telmich | jelly: strange thing is, that it is reported as working on the debian wiki |
| 12:14.51 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: don't particularly need virtual domains or virtual users (only has to support about 30 users). shared folders might be a nice touch... |
| 12:15.09 | ALoGeNo | lo all |
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| 12:15.20 | wols_ | abrotman: debian removed non-free firmware from the kernel... ubuntu, being without any principles or morals of course didn't |
| 12:15.28 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: i only mention that because dovecot/cyrus/courier all have different implentations of shared folders (well dovecot in etch doesn't have it at all) .. but the way they work may impact your choice |
| 12:15.29 | wols_ | that makes some hardware not work very well |
| 12:15.44 | abrotman | if you want shared folders+dovecot .. i think you need dovecot from bpo |
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| 12:16.55 | telmich | tries 4.0r4, but guesses that it won't support that e100e either |
| 12:17.02 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: from what i remember(my brain is faulty) .. the courier shared folders are done by the admin .. in cyrus anyone can make new ones after the initial root shared folder creation |
| 12:17.16 | wols_ | Star_Fire: certainly won't support it |
| 12:17.18 | abrotman | telmich: do you have a pciid for us ? |
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| 12:17.27 | wols_ | telmich: ^^ |
| 12:17.47 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: i'm not sure how well shared folders would go down with our users anyway, so I'm going to say that's not too important. good performance on huge mailboxes is maybe the biggest factor I can think of so far... |
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| 12:18.07 | abrotman | define huge |
| 12:18.10 | telmich | abrotman: sure: 8086:10f5 |
| 12:18.11 | wols_ | Crypticfortune: sieve is also nice. server side mail filter |
| 12:18.18 | jelly | don't buy crappy unsupported hardware, buy thinkpads! ... wait |
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| 12:18.27 | patter | ++thinkpads |
| 12:18.34 | Crypticfortune | wols_: yeah, i've used sieve before. was quite handy. |
| 12:18.37 | abrotman | telmich: lenny says it supports it |
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| 12:18.52 | abrotman | telmich: i dont' have an etchnhalf machine (i guess i could make it happen if you wanted) |
| 12:18.54 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: around 20k+ mails per folder not uncommon |
| 12:19.16 | telmich | abrotman: so that's strange |
| 12:19.22 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: my Sent has 13,000+ emails .. and i can bring it up in about a second or two |
| 12:19.48 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: which server? |
| 12:19.59 | wols_ | abrotman: what client? |
| 12:20.00 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: we're using cyrus because of the shared folders |
| 12:20.04 | abrotman | wols_: thunderbird |
| 12:20.23 | wols_ | my thunderbird is evil. it often eats 100% cpu and doesn't do anything. it simply freezes |
| 12:20.24 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: and the server isn't a super fast box (lots of ram and 4x cpus though) |
| 12:20.35 | wols_ | mulberry however is awesome in imap handling. but crap UI |
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| 12:21.24 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: IIRC cyrus keeps an index for bringing up folders quickly .. so if you haven't viewed a folder contents in a while, it will have to reindex, which if it's large can take awhile |
| 12:21.37 | abrotman | awhile ~= <10 seconds for a huge folder |
| 12:21.48 | liable | 13000 emails? all for v14grA ? |
| 12:21.51 | telmich | nice. etch 4.0r4 does not detect the cdrom nor the nic |
| 12:21.52 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: of course .. you should test |
| 12:21.59 | abrotman | liable: stop spamming me to buy you sheep! |
| 12:22.01 | telmich | }?)-/^!!! |
| 12:22.17 | liable | abrotman: you get free ugg boots! |
| 12:22.26 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:22.39 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: testing is fun! |
| 12:22.45 | vadmeste_ | Hi.. There are a general equalizer in debian ? |
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| 12:23.02 | abrotman | equalizer of what? |
| 12:23.25 | wols_ | liable: mailing lists |
| 12:23.41 | wols_ | and sent and inbox (if you don't archive) |
| 12:23.45 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: ya, indeed. should make some good tests.... |
| 12:25.25 | abrotman | telmich: is this for an external server? |
| 12:25.36 | tghy | wols_: Hi. I doesnt got any thign!!!! |
| 12:25.53 | wols_ | you did |
| 12:25.56 | wols_ | !nvidia_lenny |
| 12:25.56 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers aren't in lenny. You can install them by getting them from unstable. To install them anyway, try following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and don't miss the Current issues section. You may setup a quick testing/unstable mix. |
| 12:26.01 | tghy | wols_: What about dpkg are you?? Its are utility |
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| 12:26.12 | wols_ | dpkg: what are you? |
| 12:26.13 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 12:26.52 | wols_ | and: 13:36 <dpkg> told tghy about nvidia_lenny (The.... |
| 12:26.53 | tghy | wols_: Looking strange. I have some packages for nvidia in repository |
| 12:27.11 | wols_ | tghy: that's not lenny then |
| 12:27.13 | superjoe30 | mixing unstable and testing seems so ugly, I'd rather just install proprietary software |
| 12:27.24 | tghy | wols_: I have etch and lenny repositories |
| 12:27.39 | wols_ | tghy: don't |
| 12:27.57 | telmich | abrotman: external server? it's a notebook, the lenovo x200 |
| 12:28.01 | tghy | wols_: I just neede to have some things in stable release |
| 12:28.09 | abrotman | telmich: did you try the lenny netinst? |
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| 12:28.31 | telmich | abrotman: yep, beta2 |
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| 12:28.46 | abrotman | not beta2 .. a daily |
| 12:28.52 | mirrorman | pain strickin - I abandon this faux DEC Unix world |
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| 12:29.00 | telmich | abrotman: ah, no |
| 12:30.14 | telmich | abrotman: I am now trying it with beta2 without the docking station |
| 12:30.36 | abrotman | telmich: beta2 is months old .. and probably uses a .24 kernel |
| 12:30.55 | superjoe30 | oh god it's 5:30 am. night fellas |
| 12:31.01 | abrotman | morning? |
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| 12:32.39 | tralala | hopefully it's saturday morning for him |
| 12:32.50 | liable | nope |
| 12:32.57 | liable | not possible |
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| 12:33.31 | tralala | poor sucker |
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| 12:34.21 | telmich | abrotman: I hope it won't burn my nic... |
| 12:34.28 | abrotman | burn? |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | tralala: no .. he was .us west coast |
| 12:34.48 | telmich | abrotman: well, e1000(e?) had a bug that zeroed out the eeprom |
| 12:34.49 | SparFux | In debian unstable, do I need a kernel parameter to do the resume with uswsusp actually? I understand things in a way that the initrd image should care about resuming automaticlly, if properly rebuild. |
| 12:35.10 | abrotman | telmich: uh what? |
| 12:35.11 | telmich | !wodim |
| 12:35.11 | dpkg | wodim is, like, a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 12:35.26 | telmich | abrotman: yep |
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| 12:35.50 | tralala | SparFux, that's right - no parameters needed |
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| 12:36.14 | tralala | telmich, I guess you can never be sure |
| 12:36.44 | cmdKeen | All hw video surfaces are crappy(redrawing stripes) on intel with intel GMA and intel driver. Same on stable/testing xorg/intel driver, 2.6.2[46] kernel. Gentoo with exactly the same kernels works fine with older packages. |
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| 12:37.28 | tralala | cmdKeen, compare the xorg.confs |
| 12:37.30 | cmdKeen | It must be caused by newer version of some package, but I can't find out which one. |
| 12:37.35 | cmdKeen | tralala: same. |
| 12:38.09 | SparFux | tralala: well, strange it doesn't work for me. |
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| 12:38.34 | reaVer | hello |
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| 12:38.49 | reaVer | has anything changed somewhere with the iptables mechanics? |
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| 12:38.56 | tralala | SparFux, track down the reasons are report a bug |
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| 12:39.12 | SparFux | tralala: probably some mistake I did myself. |
| 12:39.19 | abrotman | reaVer: be less vague |
| 12:39.25 | telmich | tralala: yeah.. |
| 12:39.31 | reaVer | abrotman: ipforwarding no longer seems to work |
| 12:39.39 | abrotman | what did you install/change? |
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| 12:39.45 | telmich | yeeeeeeeeees! |
| 12:39.50 | telmich | the daily built sees it |
| 12:40.03 | reaVer | abrotman: I did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 12:40.23 | tralala | reaVer, is ip_forward enabled? |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | reaVer: that's still vague |
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| 12:40.44 | reaVer | tralala: yup |
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| 12:40.54 | reaVer | at least according to /etc/network/options |
| 12:41.17 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how the package is called that contains the hole c/c++ command manpages for the console ? |
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| 12:41.20 | SparFux | tralala: I have the problem: I NEED resume line in kernel parameteres. |
| 12:41.26 | aurel42 | howdy |
| 12:41.37 | stew | reaVer: iptables hasn't really changed. apt-get upgrade would not get you a different kernel version, which makes it even less likely |
| 12:41.41 | tralala | reaVer, how about according to sysctl? |
| 12:41.54 | stew | is /etc/network/options even used anymore? |
| 12:42.00 | tralala | SparFux, perhaps you're not using uswsusp? |
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| 12:42.14 | SparFux | I am. Definitely. uswsusp |
| 12:42.17 | reaVer | tralala: what's the variable name? |
| 12:42.18 | stew | reaVer: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" return? |
| 12:42.25 | telmich | cool, it even has support for dm-crypt! |
| 12:42.28 | SparFux | And I put resume device = /dev/mapper/cryptswap in /etc/uswsusp.conf |
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| 12:42.37 | abrotman | telmich: happy now? |
| 12:42.41 | SparFux | tralala: and it is definitely the file. |
| 12:42.50 | reaVer | oh, according to sysctl it isn't |
| 12:42.56 | SparFux | I did my first resume from disk :-D ! |
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| 12:43.23 | telmich | abrotman: a little bit, the installation is not yet finished |
| 12:43.33 | stew | reaVer: edit sysctl.conf and run sysctl -p |
| 12:43.55 | reaVer | stew: k |
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| 12:44.49 | SparFux | tralala: perhaps it has something to do with my using cryptoswap to resume from?! |
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| 12:45.23 | reaVer | stew: tnx |
| 12:45.51 | tralala | SparFux, possibly - I haven't used this combination. |
| 12:46.03 | SparFux | tralala: or I am building my initramfs wrong. |
| 12:46.19 | tralala | how are you building it? |
| 12:46.46 | Anthro | I'm running a web server mostly for my own purposes. It isn't really public, so I'm comfortable blocking it from lots of IP addresses, but I don't want to switch to a whitelist instead of a blacklist. Is there an existing way to watch the error log on my server and block IP addresses on my router (two separate Debian boxes) that request certain (script kiddie) URLs? |
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| 12:47.12 | stew | Anthro: fail2ban |
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| 12:48.03 | aurel42 | Anyone got an idea why a md device that isn't mounted could be too busy to be "mdadm --stop"ped? |
| 12:48.27 | telmich | aurel42: crypto running on it |
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| 12:48.44 | telmich | or other dm stuff |
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| 12:48.49 | aurel42 | telmich: correct, tyvm. |
| 12:48.49 | Anthro | stew: I'm using that for ssh already, but I'm looking for something broader. The router is running shorewall, and I want to shorewall drop (on the router) any IP address that requests certain URLs (on the server behind the router). |
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| 12:49.37 | aurel42 | telmich: "cryptsetup luksClose md1" fixed it. Thanks again. |
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| 12:49.40 | Dantix | hi everybody, are there a way to know if this kernel imagen: linux-image-2.6.26-bpo.1-xen-686, have support for run as dom0? |
| 12:49.41 | vasco | hello |
| 12:49.44 | telmich | aurel42: I use a 2TB software raid5 via usb plus crypto at home -> had that situation once :-) |
| 12:50.08 | tralala | Dantix, yes there are, only .18 supports dom0 |
| 12:50.09 | aurel42 | telmich: just migrating from 1TB raid1 to 3TB raid5 :D |
| 12:50.53 | telmich | aurel42: nice |
| 12:51.38 | aurel42 | telmich: don't have enough drives though, currently I have a degraded raid1 and a degraded raid5, so wish me luck. ;) |
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| 12:52.01 | vasco | hello i a looking for a method, an example, a tutorial, or a process for customing the debian installer. I want to change some items of the debian OS, automatize the partionning method, create user during the installation, add my own package during the installation |
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| 12:52.09 | Anthro | aurel42: Turn them of and go to a store immediately. |
| 12:52.15 | vasco | do you have a method? |
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| 12:53.48 | SparFux | tralala: strange, it says "no resume image, doing normal startup" |
| 12:53.54 | aurel42 | Anthro: I also lack the fifth SATA channel. And the dangerous time will only last a couple of hours (while the raid5 is rebuilding). |
| 12:54.09 | telmich | aurel42: urgs |
| 12:54.09 | SparFux | tralala: seems like with out the kernel opt resume= the uswsusp does not recognize the resume image at all. |
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| 12:54.24 | Anthro | aurel42: If it isn't currently rebuilding you should turn them off. |
| 12:54.48 | aurel42 | Anthro: why? |
| 12:54.54 | Anthro | aurel42: Unless, you know, your data isn't all that important to you. |
| 12:55.00 | ALoGeNo | hey i was installed debian bootstraped for arm machine, all is ok, but when i login the machine give me a root enforced whats happend? |
| 12:55.18 | aurel42 | Anthro: currently the data is safe, unless two disks fail simultaneously. |
| 12:55.23 | Anthro | aurel42: Because if another drive fails you lose all your data. |
| 12:55.45 | ALoGeNo | and modules are in the right place, and pcmcia-cs installed but cant find modules |
| 12:55.48 | Anthro | aurel42: They are degraded. That means that one has already failed. |
| 12:55.59 | aurel42 | Anthro: the data is on a degraded raid1 AND a degraded raid5 currently. |
| 12:56.29 | Anthro | aurel42: The same data is on both? One is a backup for the other? Then turn at least one of them off. |
| 12:56.30 | aurel42 | Anthro: I set the raid5 up with one drive "missing", because I intend to move the raid1 drive into the raid5. |
| 12:56.34 | jelly | itroduces aurel42 to the concept of "hot spares" |
| 12:56.52 | Anthro | jelly: Hell, even a cold spare would be an improvement. |
| 12:57.14 | jelly | brother can you spare a spare? |
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| 12:57.48 | ALoGeNo | can anyone give me a clue please :P |
| 12:57.53 | aurel42 | My data will be at risk during the migration IF one drive fails during the rebuild that I'm going to start in a couple of minutes, that's correct. But currently, it's kinda safe. |
| 12:58.29 | Crypticfortune | I dunno if I totally buy the "turn them off" philosophy. in my experience, disks most frequently die on start up (as that's when they're under the most mechanical stress)....either way it's a gamble =P |
| 12:58.31 | aurel42 | And if a drive fails during rebuild, I'll have to restore from backup. *shrug* |
| 12:58.50 | Anthro | aurel42: So you actually have a separate backup? That's not quite as appalling. |
| 12:59.04 | aurel42 | I don't have a single failed drive in my setup, so that discussion seems kinda moot. |
| 12:59.25 | liable | yet |
| 12:59.41 | aurel42 | I just have raids that are intentionally degraded, which seems stupid, but kinda forced on me through hardware restrictions. *shrug* |
| 13:00.01 | Anthro | aurel42: It seems like you don't really understand RAID. You DO have a failed drive in each of your RAIDs. That's what "degraded" means. |
| 13:00.29 | Anthro | aurel42: It may be that the drive is missing rather than broken, but the result is the same. |
| 13:00.31 | aurel42 | Anthro: I created the raid5 intentionally with a missing drive. |
| 13:01.08 | Anthro | aurel42: That's fine, but the fact remains that the RAID5 cannot survive any of its drives failing right now. Do you understand? |
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| 13:01.21 | aurel42 | Anthro: yes, I'm totally aware of that. :D |
| 13:01.22 | Dantix | tralala: thanks |
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| 13:01.37 | Anthro | aurel42: Okay, it didn't sound like you did. |
| 13:02.07 | aurel42 | Anthro: I appreciate your intentions. |
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| 13:02.54 | aurel42 | You tried to save me from shooting me in the foot, yet I'm telling you I'm totally intentionally aiming at my leg with a unsecured shotgun. :D |
| 13:03.21 | Anthro | aurel42: You have a RAID5 missing a drive and a single drive (of the same size?) that thinks it is part of a RAID1 now and a full backup of the data? I'd build a full RAID5 and load the data from backup. Don't even try to pull a rebuild trick. |
| 13:04.09 | aurel42 | Anthro: hmmm. Why? That'll take much longer and more effort and I can (and will have to) do that after something went wrong. |
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| 13:06.17 | Anthro | aurel42: But you can set it going and know it will succeed. The rebuild will take a while, too, with a lower chance of success and, if/when it fails, you'll be short a disk and have shortened the lifespan of the other disks and still have to do the restore from backup. |
| 13:07.25 | Anthro | aurel42: Sorry, short AT LEAST one disk. |
| 13:07.31 | aurel42 | Good point. But you have to admit that restoring from backup wouldn't be half the challenge. ;) |
| 13:07.59 | Anthro | aurel42: Do you know who jwz is? He had a wonderful line: Linux is only free if your time is worthless. |
| 13:08.00 | aurel42 | Anthro: if it were some customer's data, I would be totally with you, but, hey, it's just music and videos, who cares. :D |
| 13:08.12 | aurel42 | Anthro: ;) yeah, I know Jamie |
| 13:08.42 | Anthro | aurel42: Running a backup restore is more actual time, but less of *your* time. |
| 13:08.47 | aurel42 | Anthro: and, yes, my time is worthless today. On any other day, I get paid for it and migh act differently. |
| 13:09.13 | Anthro | aurel42: Man, go to a park and throw a frisbee or something while your restore runs. |
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| 13:11.03 | Crypticfortune | aurel42: nah, i'd definitely go the "rebuild trick" way. if by cosmic radiation is against you and your disk _does_ happen to fail, then you go play frisbee ;) |
| 13:11.45 | aurel42 | mdadm: added /dev/sda3 :P |
| 13:11.57 | aurel42 | State : clean, degraded, recovering |
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| 13:14.27 | NeoIce | whats the best way to move my entire system to a new hdd? |
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| 13:15.13 | aurel42 | NeoIce: Backup / Restore? ;) |
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| 13:16.49 | Crypticfortune | NeoIce: depends on how your system's set up and what you're trying to migrate to. (same size hd? using LVM? growable filesystems?) |
| 13:17.57 | NeoIce | I think 'dd if=sda of=sdb' is gonna be my best bet |
| 13:18.09 | Crypticfortune | NeoIce: (I ask because one simple way would be to boot off a livecd with both hd's attached, and just dd one to the other, then fix up partition tables to take advantage of extra space, grow file systems, and you're done.) |
| 13:18.21 | NeoIce | all the drives are the same |
| 13:18.23 | aurel42 | NeoIce: given same size/geometry |
| 13:18.37 | Crypticfortune | NeoIce: then ya, just dd it, no tweaking necessary =P |
| 13:18.44 | NeoIce | the live CD I was using would freak out though, which I'm just gonna chalk up to that particular CD |
| 13:18.56 | NeoIce | and try out the new debian live tomorrow |
| 13:18.58 | aurel42 | NeoIce: I'd add some decent "bs" for better performance |
| 13:19.08 | NeoIce | such as? |
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| 13:19.25 | aurel42 | NeoIce: 64k |
| 13:19.40 | aurel42 | NeoIce: ymmv |
| 13:19.41 | NeoIce | and I know I should do it from a liveCD, but what is the actual reason behind that? |
| 13:20.08 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
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| 13:21.09 | Crypticfortune | NeoIce: trying to do it from a mounted file system might result into a broken file system on the new drive |
| 13:21.09 | aurel42 | NeoIce: copying an "active" system will probably result in a corrupted file system. |
| 13:21.09 | aurel42 | NeoIce: you can do it from single-user / maintenance mode, though. |
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| 13:21.11 | NeoIce | but why? |
| 13:21.13 | Crypticfortune | NeoIce: (and since you can't unmount root while you're booted into it, you use a livecd) |
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| 13:21.39 | aurel42 | NeoIce: because the old file system might still be modified by other processes while you're copying it |
| 13:21.49 | Defty | Any idea as how to run a less command via ssh in a single command line, so that it stays intearactive? |
| 13:22.00 | aurel42 | NeoIce: so mount -o remount,ro and/or do it from the single-user runlevel. |
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| 13:22.11 | liable | Defty: what do you mean? |
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| 13:22.25 | abrotman | Defty: less <file> .. use as normal |
| 13:22.30 | Defty | If I simply use ssh 123.123.123.123 "less this_and_that" it will immediately exit |
| 13:22.49 | liable | Defty: so just ssh then use less once logged in.. |
| 13:23.14 | liable | im not sure i understand |
| 13:23.15 | NeoIce | is there a way to make 'dd' write its stats to a file instead of stdio? |
| 13:23.16 | aurel42 | defty: less needs a terminal |
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| 13:23.21 | aurel42 | Defty: try ssh -t |
| 13:23.50 | aurel42 | Defty: or use cat or more instead of less, that might work, too. ;) |
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| 13:24.19 | gimmal | need some advice on setting up a 'file' mode apt repo -- i'm stumped. All my deb files are in /home/system/mirror/dpkg/updates and my Packages.gz is there also; what I'd thought was the appropriate line in /etc/apt/sources.list is "deb file:///home/system/mirror/dpkg updates/" but that ain't working - aptitude reports file not found with this config. dpkg-scanpackages adds no "prefix" to the filenames. by http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/rep |
| 13:24.21 | Defty | aurel42: Thanks, that seems to work :) |
| 13:24.25 | aurel42 | NeoIce: redirection? 2>/my/file or something like that? |
| 13:25.06 | Defty | (Logging in first is not a proper solution because in my case, I'm using a terminal window which will also immediately close and the whole reason I'm doing this is to allow looking at a specific file.) |
| 13:25.52 | gimmal | hmm, pardon if i get pushy in asking again if anyone knows what's up with my surprisingly b0rked repo setup |
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| 13:26.27 | gimmal | i mean, from what I'm seeing, it looks like it should already be working out. Unlike some Cisco-certified boners I won't name, I trust Linux to not up and try something retarded... |
| 13:26.38 | aurel42 | NeoIce: btw, you can request a status report from dd while it's running, I think with SIGUSR1. |
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| 13:28.14 | gimmal | chryst, dput needs flipping *.changes files also .. maybe debarchiver works without 'em... |
| 13:28.34 | NeoIce | aurel42: yeah, the man had that |
| 13:29.11 | nyk2005 | What's wrong with my apache2 + php install if it just displays the php source? It has the module loaded and I added "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" to apache2.conf |
| 13:29.25 | NeoIce | the drives are of questionable quality, so if I dd /dev/zero, will it freak out if the drives are actually bad? |
| 13:29.45 | aurel42 | I still kinda wonder how grub is supposed to boot from a raid5 device. Does the grub raid module really contain everything that's needed to mount and access a linux software raid? |
| 13:29.46 | NeoIce | I think my coworker is just an idiot and broke his RAID array |
| 13:30.30 | gimmal | crypes it shouldn't be this difficult to set up a dpkg repo |
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| 13:31.22 | omry | suddenly I started to get this when I run zsh and screen : mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty' . /dev/tty* group was root. I tried to change it to tty but it didn't make any difference. any idea? |
| 13:31.42 | carl-m | why do the udev packages not depend on the appropriate versions of the kernal packages? |
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| 13:32.00 | gimmal | watches "expected time on task" grow expontentially when one encouters perl/python... no offense to folks avid about those langiges |
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| 13:32.46 | liable | carl-m: it does. whats your problem? |
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| 13:34.03 | carl-m | liable: on a different computer, I upgraded my packages yesterday. it upgraded udev to a version that relies on a later kernel than is installed. so I can't start udev after reboot -> I'll have to boot from some other media to fix the problem |
| 13:34.15 | liable | actually it doesn't. it did at one stage when 2.6.12 came out |
| 13:34.19 | carl-m | I seem to remember this has happened to me before |
| 13:34.32 | carl-m | this one says it depends on 2.6.18 |
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| 13:35.04 | gimmal | yeah debarchiver wantes *.changes files also; greaaat |
| 13:35.31 | stew | no, udev doesn't have a good way to depend on a particular kernel version becuase doing so would cause problems for people with custom kernels |
| 13:35.36 | liable | carl-m: you can use static dev if its that much hassle to upgrade the kernel |
| 13:35.40 | stew | (among other things) |
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| 13:36.25 | carl-m | stew: people with custom kernels can pretty easily tell dpkg they are installed. I can fix this, it's just a pain that udev doesn't have a safety mechanism |
| 13:36.28 | liable | stew: he didnt have a problem breaking it when 2.6.12 came out |
| 13:36.41 | liable | :) |
| 13:36.57 | liable | i think i still have that bug bookmarked |
| 13:37.12 | liable | was quite funny.. |
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| 13:37.41 | liable | hmm, maybe not |
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| 13:38.17 | stew | carl-m: i don't think anyone has been able to propose a good safety mechanism |
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| 13:38.49 | carl-m | stew: dpkg has a very nice dependency system :) |
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| 13:39.09 | stew | carl-m: yes. it doesn't work in this case though |
| 13:39.20 | liable | i thought it did have a depends back then when it broke? |
| 13:39.21 | carl-m | liable: the deb changelog confirms udev requires 2.6.18 now |
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| 13:39.56 | carl-m | and it has no direct dependency on a kernel at all; not going to check for indirect ones |
| 13:40.05 | stew | carl-m: you won't find them |
| 13:40.14 | carl-m | that's why I'm not going to check |
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| 13:40.41 | carl-m | really, custom kernels are no issue, it's trivial to add fake packages to fill dependencies |
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| 13:41.46 | aurel42 | grub2 r0x0rs |
| 13:41.57 | liable | refusing to install and using MAKEDEV would be better than not having dependancies and breaking when you reboot |
| 13:43.28 | carl-m | in practice, even a big flashing warning would be OK. I saw that it failed to start udev, but it was late at night, and so I didn't think through what that meant. So I do appreciate I could avoid the problem myself; but I'd rather have the dependency system catch me |
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| 13:43.58 | stew | liable: what if the new kernel doesn't work with the old udev? |
| 13:44.25 | liable | stew: thats why i said MAKEDEV, static dev should work. no? |
| 13:44.31 | stew | liable: since what you are proposing would require you to upgrade kernel, reboot, upgrade udev |
| 13:44.39 | stew | liable: not with initramfs-tools |
| 13:45.00 | liable | you cant have static dev anymore? |
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| 13:47.06 | stew | liable: you can with yaird or with a custom kernel, though yaird is dead upstream and buggy enough that the RMs kicked it out of lenny |
| 13:47.36 | liable | hmmpf |
| 13:47.46 | liable | that kinda sucks |
| 13:47.48 | Hideme | Can anyone suggest something for alerting/logging user sessions when they SSH in? |
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| 13:48.16 | aurel42 | Hideme: propper logging settings in sshd_config? |
| 13:48.20 | aurel42 | *proper |
| 13:48.25 | carl-m | Hideme: for alerting you when someone ssh's to your computer? |
| 13:49.16 | Hideme | carl-m: More so for accounting. Eg, I want an alert when specific users log in and I also want to log what they're doing. |
| 13:49.23 | liable | tries removing udev for grins |
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| 13:50.00 | carl-m | Hideme: you already have a log in /var/log/ that shows all ssh connections |
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| 13:50.05 | aurel42 | Hideme: when: you'll find that in your logfiles (or you can make it appear there), see auth.log and "last" |
| 13:50.11 | carl-m | if you want to dee what they are doing, that's harder |
| 13:50.41 | aurel42 | for religious reasons, I even refuse to think about how I would "watch" my users. |
| 13:51.11 | Hideme | I know that. But that doesn't serve the purpose. |
| 13:51.24 | rvsjoen | im trying to install on a machine which has an Intel RAID 631xESB controller, I set up the hardware raid using two drives striped. When I launch the installation and I get to the partitioning I still have two disks, it seems like the hardware raid is not recognized... |
| 13:51.39 | Hideme | Need alerts, as I'm talking about more than one machine. |
| 13:51.54 | stew | Hideme: snoopy will log all commands to /var/log/auth.log |
| 13:51.57 | carl-m | Hideme: set up a cron job to email you or something |
| 13:52.10 | aurel42 | Hideme: use a log host |
| 13:52.13 | liable | that doesnt work too well |
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| 13:53.48 | De_Mon | what ever happened to debian releases being named from toy story |
| 13:54.49 | aurel42 | Hideme: I can see the logins for all my machines in a single log, all machines use remote logging to a single host, the syslog-ng running there filters all information by machine or by function into different logfiles, that includes a "global auth.log". |
| 13:54.53 | De_Mon | not seeing the relationship for edgy and fiesty |
| 13:54.54 | carl-m | liable: did you say there was a bug filed for the 2.6.12 requirement in udev, whenever that happened? |
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| 13:55.16 | Crypticfortune | De_Mon: *bonk* those are Ubuntu. not Debian. |
| 13:55.18 | aurel42 | Hideme: I also consider it a major advantage that anyone breaking into a system cannot tamper the logs to cover his tracks. |
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| 13:55.33 | liable | carl-m: i dont think you'll get anything out of reading the bug other than humour, i'll track it down |
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| 13:56.05 | carl-m | liable: I wanted to see how it was resolved (i.e. was it WONTFIX or something like that) |
| 13:56.23 | carl-m | I scanned for open bugs on the 2.6.18 dep and didn't see any |
| 13:56.28 | De_Mon | er |
| 13:56.33 | liable | carl-m: yes, it was wontfix |
| 13:56.43 | De_Mon | i'm looking at backports on pkg-voip I guess they are backports from ubuntu eh |
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| 13:56.50 | carl-m | liable: that's all I needed to know, I don't need to read it |
| 13:56.51 | Hideme | aurel42: Yeah, centralized logging has it's advantages. I tried syslog-ng for a while, but the frontend sucked. What are you using to view the logs? |
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| 13:57.04 | aurel42 | Hideme: grep |
| 13:57.14 | aurel42 | Hideme: tail -f |
| 13:57.22 | aurel42 | Hideme: ;) |
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| 13:57.29 | Chrom_ | Hideme: php-syslog-ng is good |
| 13:57.56 | Chrom_ | you get mysql integration and web frontend for handy querying |
| 13:58.00 | Hideme | Chrom_: php-syslog-ng is buggy and not even updated anymore. |
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| 13:58.12 | Chrom_ | last update was a few months ago |
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| 13:58.19 | De_Mon | Crypticfortune oh good. I see lenny and squeeze are what I have to look forward to :) |
| 13:58.29 | liable | carl-m: |
| 13:58.30 | Hideme | Hmmm I'll have to check it again. |
| 13:58.33 | Chrom_ | I'm using it in production |
| 13:58.46 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
| 13:58.55 | liable | its a fun read for some history |
| 13:58.57 | Chrom_ | the only disadvantage is that you get high CPU load (very high) if you parse a lot of logs |
| 13:59.02 | aurel42 | Hideme: I put the magic into syslog-ng's filter rules, that leaves me with two log files with "all the important stuff". |
| 13:59.05 | Hideme | Chrom_: Last Update: Jul 09 2006 |
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| 13:59.36 | Chrom_ | mmm, it's possible that I used a cvs or beta |
| 13:59.38 | Chrom_ | let me check |
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| 14:00.21 | aurel42 | Hideme: obviously additionally to the detailed logs for any machine, but I only use them if I need the additional info there. |
| 14:00.28 | Chrom_ | Hideme: Php-Syslog-NG 2.9.8 Stable [ cdukes ] 10-May-2008 15:53 EST |
| 14:00.50 | Hideme | Chrom_: On SourceForge? |
| 14:01.20 | Chrom_ | http://code.google.com/p/php-syslog-ng/ |
| 14:01.34 | Hideme | Chrom_: Ah yes... I see it. |
| 14:01.38 | Chrom_ | good |
| 14:01.57 | Chrom_ | but be warned. if you parse a lot of logs you need a really fast machine |
| 14:02.32 | Chrom_ | and also syslog-ng uses UDP, so if you parse a lot of logs you might lose some lines when the load is high |
| 14:02.36 | abrotman | mm .. php and syslog .. what could go wrong |
| 14:02.40 | Hideme | That shouldn't be a problem. :) |
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| 14:03.29 | Chrom_ | and anyways my 2 cents about tracking users logins: add a script to the .bashrc file of the user that you wanna track |
| 14:03.31 | carl-m | liable: thanks for the link |
| 14:04.01 | Chrom_ | .bashrc is executed when the user logs, so you can use mailix or other mailsers to warn you |
| 14:04.40 | liable | carl-m: at least you know what you are up against should you file a bug ;) |
| 14:04.40 | Chrom_ | set the proper permissions to the .bashrc file to prevent the user from modifying it of course |
| 14:04.45 | aurel42 | Chrom_: ssh myuseraccount@hismachine /bin/csh ? |
| 14:04.51 | abrotman | defeated! |
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| 14:05.19 | Chrom_ | aurel42: if you wish |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | Chrom_: but it would defeat your tracking |
| 14:05.52 | Chrom_ | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 14:06.14 | Chrom_ | you can track anything at the user login. even traceroute him |
| 14:06.22 | abrotman | Chrom_: he just executed /bin/csh instead of /bin/bash .. .bashrc will never get read |
| 14:06.23 | Chrom_ | and mail back to you the data |
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| 14:06.43 | Chrom_ | abrotman: that was his option. for me mailing the details is better |
| 14:06.44 | weiles | hi |
| 14:07.09 | weiles | is the current state of ext4dev in lenny 2.6.26 kernels future-proof? |
| 14:07.24 | abrotman | ask kernel people .. how would we know? |
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| 14:07.29 | Chrom_ | I did that when I unprovisioned one server. the customer told me he wouldn't use the root access. of course he did and I tracked him down. |
| 14:07.46 | Chrom_ | that was quite satisfying :) |
| 14:07.59 | weiles | abrotman: i guess there are some statements about ext4 support known |
| 14:08.29 | weiles | moving to #linux |
| 14:08.36 | Chrom_ | Hideme: you can also use logger to print something custom on the syslog when the user logs in |
| 14:08.50 | abrotman | weiles: i meant ##kernel :) |
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| 14:09.00 | weiles | ok |
| 14:09.05 | weiles | abrotman: thx |
| 14:09.29 | aurel42 | btw, all that logging can have disadvantages, too. |
| 14:10.10 | Chrom_ | aurel42: of course. Hideme will soon be bothered by all the mails and filter them out probably |
| 14:10.12 | aurel42 | Two days ago I panicked when I noticed that some days earlier someone had logged in to my workstation on my user account from a totally unknown host. |
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| 14:10.23 | Chrom_ | for me that is a one timer to check if a user ever logs in |
| 14:10.37 | aurel42 | He even used password authentication, and I never do, I always use SSH keys. |
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| 14:11.15 | Chrom_ | aurel42: you can login via SSH with a password |
| 14:11.28 | Chrom_ | you mean that he logged on the local console maybe? |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | unknown host? |
| 14:11.50 | aurel42 | I totally panicked and checked for quite a bunch of problems (did the OpenSSL-SSH issue somehow survive on that machine? are there any other open security issues? where did I fuck up?) |
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| 14:12.07 | abrotman | aurel42: it was you! |
| 14:12.30 | Chrom_ | abrotman: someome logged in locally |
| 14:12.40 | abrotman | <aurel42> Two days ago I panicked when I noticed that some days earlier someone had logged in to my workstation on my user account from a totally unknown host. |
| 14:12.41 | aurel42 | Then I realized at that time I was sitting at the doctors, checking my mail from my mobile... and my mobile provider has simply changed it's domain for dialup customers. |
| 14:12.52 | abrotman | unknown host .. read |
| 14:13.02 | Chrom_ | aha |
| 14:13.42 | Lagbolt | not sure if anyone is interested but Broadcom released some linux wireless drivers or maybe everyone knows but if not there is a site http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
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| 14:14.40 | abrotman | Lagbolt: old news IIRC .. and still firware screwed |
| 14:14.56 | aurel42 | Wireless is black magic. |
| 14:15.04 | Lagbolt | abrotman, yeah? :( bummer |
| 14:15.16 | liable | not really, its just mostly broken :) |
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| 14:15.52 | liable | tis getting better though |
| 14:15.55 | Lagbolt | well b43 driver in 27rc kern seems to be working better for me. stays connected to hidden wpa enterprise now at least |
| 14:16.12 | aurel42 | There's a room in hell especially for Wlan users. It has millions of notebooks and none of them has working drivers. |
| 14:16.22 | liable | your lucky b43 stays connected to anything.. ;) |
| 14:16.40 | Lagbolt | liable, tell me about it. ndiswrapper has saved me for a couple years |
| 14:17.16 | liable | aurel42: not quite true, get the right card and your good. ive been using linux wireless for a few years without too much trouble |
| 14:17.33 | abrotman | yay prism! :) |
| 14:17.57 | aurel42 | liable: I kinda like cables. From a erotic perspective, too. |
| 14:18.23 | liable | i like wireless. no idea why, buts it interests me for some reason |
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| 14:19.30 | aurel42 | liable: I have one wireless device. A notebook. I use it for internet access via the neighbor's unsecured network when DSL is down. I wouldn't trust the ether with my own data. Religious reasons, I guess. |
| 14:21.23 | amphi | your cables are 'TEMPEST'-shielded, I hope ;) |
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| 14:22.47 | liable | all goes through the nsa splitter anyway ;) |
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| 14:29.39 | varlon | hi :-) in my iceweasel all images download to slow, for example. in gmail messages list all stars download separatly. may be someone know way? |
| 14:29.47 | varlon | debian lenny |
| 14:30.27 | Hideme | Chrom_: Sorry, I was away. All I really need is to know which commands users are issuing. Basically a session logger. |
| 14:30.47 | liable | bash_history? |
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| 14:31.05 | Chrom_ | Hideme: in realtime? |
| 14:31.24 | Hideme | Chrom_: No, just log it. |
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| 14:31.37 | Hideme | Chrom_: have a record for accountability. |
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| 14:32.05 | Chrom_ | then just hook a script to .bashrc that sends you the diff between the last .bash_history and the one after the logout |
| 14:32.05 | varlon | but in some else site, news site for example images downloaded quickly |
| 14:32.12 | liable | if they are ordinary users, what damage can they do? |
| 14:32.13 | aurel42 | varlon: are you using a proxy? |
| 14:32.37 | Hideme | Chrom_: Know of any how-to docs? |
| 14:32.44 | Chrom_ | Hideme: you can also rsync all the .bash_history files of your interest to a remote location every x hours |
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| 14:33.04 | liable | Chrom_: they dont get updated till they log out |
| 14:33.20 | Chrom_ | liable: that's why I asked if he needed realtime monitoring or just logs |
| 14:33.26 | Chrom_ | he only needs logs |
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| 14:33.40 | aurel42 | varlon: if you download the same image multiple times while accessing a page, it's either a configuration problem with the server (caching disallowed), or something modifies the http headers so that your browser believes he cannot cache the file, or someone/something told your browser not to cache anything... |
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| 14:34.41 | aurel42 | varlon: 1) is unlikely with Gmail, 2) could be caused by a proxy with a configuration problem, 3) could be caused by you or an addon you installed. |
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| 14:34.45 | abrotman | Hideme: ttysnoop |
| 14:34.47 | liable | Hideme: why the need to spy on your users? |
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| 14:35.07 | Chrom_ | Hideme: no howtos hat I know of sorry. It's quite basic. |
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| 14:35.25 | paxcoder | can anyone tell me quickly just how the proprietary package for flash is called? |
| 14:35.35 | aurel42 | flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 14:35.41 | liable | paxcoder: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:35.52 | paxcoder | hmm |
| 14:36.06 | paxcoder | i try to dpkg - s it, and it says it's not there |
| 14:36.16 | aurel42 | and, at least on Ubuntu, one better also installs libflashsupport |
| 14:36.17 | Chrom_ | Hideme: even better, you can just cron a script that copies updated .bash_history files to /root |
| 14:36.17 | Hideme | liable: Not spy, just keep a record for accountability purposes. |
| 14:36.18 | paxcoder | I'm pretty sure I have it tho |
| 14:36.28 | liable | paxcoder: dpkg -l |
| 14:36.40 | paxcoder | liable: nothing. |
| 14:36.46 | aurel42 | paxcoder: no non-free source in sources.list? |
| 14:36.47 | abrotman | paxcoder: dpkg -l *flash* |
| 14:36.54 | paxcoder | aurel42: yep |
| 14:37.00 | paxcoder | no non-free, i removed it |
| 14:37.07 | paxcoder | so I wouldn't slip :-) |
| 14:37.11 | paxcoder | could that be it? |
| 14:37.13 | aurel42 | Freedom comes with a price. :D |
| 14:37.21 | aurel42 | That is definitely the problem. |
| 14:37.31 | paxcoder | aurel42: it's kinda silly, don't you think? |
| 14:37.46 | aurel42 | You could use a free swf thingie. |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | flash is non-free .. what do you expect |
| 14:37.58 | liable | Hideme: so backup there history at the end of the day. no idea what accountability you expect to get from ordianry users though |
| 14:38.04 | paxcoder | abrotman: I don't want to install it, just find out if it's there |
| 14:38.08 | abrotman | paxcoder: dpkg -l *flash* |
| 14:38.15 | paxcoder | abrotman: did that, nothing |
| 14:38.21 | aurel42 | liable: unset HISTFILE |
| 14:38.27 | liable | Hideme: they shouldnt be able to do anything, so no need to check if they did |
| 14:38.37 | liable | aurel42: ^^ |
| 14:38.51 | aurel42 | liable: I use that all the time after I did something stupid that I don't want the co-workers to see. ;) |
| 14:38.56 | abrotman | paxcoder: then you don't have it installed |
| 14:39.18 | paxcoder | abrotman: but it plays YouTube, can I check plugins or something to be sure? |
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| 14:39.37 | aurel42 | paxcoder: dpkg -l *swf* |
| 14:39.59 | paxcoder | aurel42: it has got bunch of them |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | or dpkg -l gnash |
| 14:40.17 | paxcoder | I don't have gnash |
| 14:40.17 | aurel42 | or apt-cache search flash player |
| 14:40.29 | liable | mozpluggin too |
| 14:40.33 | liable | that blows |
| 14:40.47 | paxcoder | I'm lost... |
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| 14:40.57 | liable | paxcoder: just install it |
| 14:41.05 | paxcoder | liable: what? |
| 14:41.14 | liable | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 14:41.19 | abrotman | he's trying not to |
| 14:41.20 | paxcoder | liable: I don't want to. |
| 14:41.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: swfdec and gnash can play youtube .. sometimes |
| 14:41.32 | liable | you didnt say that before |
| 14:41.44 | aurel42 | paxcoder: Then don't want to watch flash content, either, please. ;) |
| 14:41.45 | paxcoder | liable: then how come abrotman knew it? |
| 14:41.47 | liable | oh, you did.. |
| 14:41.57 | abrotman | paxcoder: i can read .. he's an aussie |
| 14:42.06 | liable | i was busy ranting about something else ;) |
| 14:42.25 | paxcoder | aurel42: the point is, I can watch it, I just want to be sure what plays it XD |
| 14:42.27 | liable | abrotman: where is australia? |
| 14:42.40 | abrotman | liable: next to the Sheep Motherland? :) |
| 14:42.40 | aurel42 | just beside germany |
| 14:42.50 | omry | suddenly I started to get this when I run zsh and screen : "mesg: error: tty device is not owned by group `tty'" . /dev/tty* group was root. I tried to change it to tty but it didn't make any difference. any idea? |
| 14:42.51 | paxcoder | aurel42: LOL |
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| 14:43.11 | sladi | paxcoder: did you do about:plugins? |
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| 14:43.20 | paxcoder | sladi: will do. |
| 14:43.23 | aurel42 | paxcoder: I aim to please. "Hey, I live in Georgia, the news says there's a russion invasion but I don't see the tanks!" |
| 14:43.30 | Computer | Business card installer is getting stuck on Retrieving packages. |
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| 14:43.46 | Computer | console 4 shows something about bootsrap |
| 14:44.08 | liable | Computer: try another mirror once it barfs out completely |
| 14:44.19 | paxcoder | sladi: yeah, it says: Shockwave Flash as well as FutureSplash Player |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | paxcoder: but it's lying |
| 14:44.31 | abrotman | paxcoder: are you on lenny/sid ? |
| 14:44.36 | Computer | liable, I left it run over night and it never timed out or anything |
| 14:44.40 | Computer | This is the second mirror I have tried |
| 14:44.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: Hahaa/ Lenny |
| 14:44.51 | Computer | it passed the DHCP setup sucessfuly, or at least appeared to. |
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| 14:45.23 | liable | Computer: i have done lots of installs lately, and it just screws up sometimes with packages. try another mirror |
| 14:45.36 | abrotman | paxcoder: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*flash* .. see anything ? |
| 14:45.46 | Computer | aye |
| 14:46.08 | paxcoder | abrotman: i have no such dir |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | yes you do |
| 14:46.19 | paxcoder | locate *mozilla*flash* |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | or you're ont using debian |
| 14:46.24 | abrotman | no ..t aht's not what i said |
| 14:46.25 | liable | busybox seems to be the package it likes to puke on for me for some reason |
| 14:46.26 | abrotman | paxcoder: ls -l /etc/alternatives/*flash* .. see anything ? |
| 14:46.28 | paxcoder | gives flashplayer, and few libflashplayer |
| 14:46.37 | liable | Computer: whats the exact error anyway? |
| 14:46.41 | paxcoder | abrotman: it says cannot access, no such dir |
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| 14:46.46 | abrotman | then you're not on debian |
| 14:47.02 | OpenTokix | abrotman: sneaky ;) |
| 14:47.03 | Computer | How do I change the hostname? |
| 14:47.09 | sladi | Computer: I'm not sure but maybe you can try to ping some server from within the recovery console? |
| 14:47.13 | OpenTokix | Computer: hostname new-name |
| 14:47.15 | abrotman | !tell Computer about hostname |
| 14:47.16 | liable | !hostname |
| 14:47.17 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 14:47.33 | paxcoder | abrotman: I am. I have the *alternatives dir, but it really says there's nothing when I try *flash* |
| 14:47.48 | abrotman | paxcoder: that's differnt |
| 14:47.49 | paxcoder | abrotman: sry, no such FILE OR directory |
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| 14:47.51 | paxcoder | yep |
| 14:48.08 | abrotman | paxcoder: perhaps you installed flash by hand? |
| 14:48.10 | aurel42 | paxcoder: I'm not sure whether I'm still following you, but you can also install the plugin in your home dir in .mozilla/somethingsomething/plugins, perhaps you did that and that's where your flash support is coming from? |
| 14:48.20 | paxcoder | abrotman: I do have flashplayer and libflashplayer .so and .xpt in my plugins tho |
| 14:48.27 | aurel42 | There you go. |
| 14:48.28 | abrotman | that's your flash .. |
| 14:48.38 | abrotman | you installed it via web interface thingie |
| 14:48.41 | liable | flashes #debian |
| 14:48.45 | paxcoder | abrotman: oh. |
| 14:48.48 | aurel42 | That's the non-free Adobe Flash. |
| 14:48.49 | paxcoder | so it's flash. |
| 14:48.53 | paxcoder | vrms missed it |
| 14:49.02 | paxcoder | gnash still sucks, correct? |
| 14:49.06 | abrotman | i think vrms looks for packages .. not just random binaries |
| 14:49.07 | liable | yes |
| 14:49.16 | liable | wtf is vrms? |
| 14:49.17 | paxcoder | abrotman: yep |
| 14:49.22 | abrotman | gnash sucks-ish .. it's getting better .. and it is better than swfdec |
| 14:49.23 | aurel42 | liable: virtual RMS |
| 14:49.25 | paxcoder | liable: Virtual Richard M. Stalman |
| 14:49.25 | liable | !vrms |
| 14:49.25 | dpkg | i heard vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 14:49.25 | surrounder | paxcoder: it's good enough for watching pr0n |
| 14:49.29 | paxcoder | *stallman |
| 14:49.38 | liable | wow |
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| 14:50.07 | paxcoder | surrounder: I use YouTube "extensively" :-/ |
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| 14:50.36 | surrounder | paxcoder: good enough too imho, I use gnash on my powerbook (no adobe flash binary) and it seems to work quite ok |
| 14:50.36 | paxcoder | you guys heard about HTML5? It will be able to create a player and play things without flash. pretty cool. |
| 14:51.05 | liable | when it releases in 2020 |
| 14:51.05 | paxcoder | surrounder: last time I checked, YouTube in Gnash was all messed up. |
| 14:51.10 | paxcoder | liable: yeah... |
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| 14:51.34 | paxcoder | ok, thanks peeps. |
| 14:51.36 | aurel42 | paxcoder: re HTML5 ...and yet, for the time being, I cannot imagine a life on the web without that proprietary piece of shit. |
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| 14:51.45 | surrounder | paxcoder: nope, watched a guy finishing mario on the NES in 5 minutes on youtube on my powerbook with gnash :P |
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| 14:51.48 | arckane | hey all |
| 14:51.58 | paxcoder | aurel42: agreed |
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| 14:52.31 | paxcoder | surrounder: are you sure the play button wasn't ABOVE the video? |
| 14:52.38 | aurel42 | w/o flashplugin-nonfree I couldn't play Desktop Tower Defense. what would I do all day at work?? |
| 14:52.47 | surrounder | paxcoder: nope, it all seemed fine |
| 14:52.51 | paxcoder | aurel42: XD |
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| 14:52.56 | surrounder | aurel42: hehe |
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| 14:57.52 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:57.52 | dpkg | methinks qotd97 is [21:05:13] <MarkS> guys, just a quick poll/survey. What irc client are you using? [21:05:32] <pipeline> MarkS: Just /version #debian [21:05:54] <MarkS> oh cool... thanks pipeline. I didn't realize I could do that. |
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| 14:58.16 | liable | havent seen him for a while.. |
| 14:58.27 | liable | reminices |
| 14:58.39 | liable | or however the hell you spell that.. |
| 14:58.56 | liable | isnt so smart.. |
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| 14:59.33 | aurel42 | I hope you're not charac... er... you know... reporters... yes, mocked is the word. |
| 15:00.07 | amphi | rears his head |
| 15:00.12 | aurel42 | LOL |
| 15:00.37 | paxcoder | LOL. I just found out dpkg can do market: |
| 15:00.40 | paxcoder | !quote |
| 15:00.40 | AXEL2100 | If you can't hear me, it's because I'm in parentheses. |
| 15:01.10 | liable | . o 0 ( can you here this?) |
| 15:01.35 | vasco | excuse me i asked again , but i am looking for a way for customize the debian installer, create my partition auto, add my package, configure some config file during the installation |
| 15:01.44 | vasco | what is the way plz? |
| 15:02.04 | liable | vasco: preseed |
| 15:02.17 | liable | sec and i'll give you a link |
| 15:02.25 | aurel42 | vasco: apt-cache search unattended installation, perhaps? |
| 15:02.26 | vasco | liable, nice! |
| 15:02.37 | vasco | aurel42, what do you mean? |
| 15:02.48 | aurel42 | vasco: fai-server - Fully Automatic Installation server package |
| 15:03.00 | vasco | aurel42, nice nice |
| 15:03.21 | aurel42 | vasco: if the hardware is identical, writing a prepared image from a script run via netboot might be another option, that's how we do it at work. |
| 15:03.40 | vasco | aurel42, yes but not really professional |
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| 15:03.51 | liable | vasco: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en |
| 15:04.02 | mquin | vasco: see also http://www.hands.com/d-i/ |
| 15:04.03 | aurel42 | vasco: yeah, might be, we're only a major ISP in our country. ;) |
| 15:05.00 | liable | major shmajor .. doesnt mean you do it properly :P |
| 15:05.16 | aurel42 | that's oh so true. :D |
| 15:05.23 | ronr | a while ago I tested ubuntu and it had tab completion after sudo and even on something like sudo aptitude inst<tab> install, any way I can get this on my debian box? |
| 15:05.28 | pgpkeys | how is using fai not professional? |
| 15:05.59 | aurel42 | pgpkeys: I think we're considering the alternative, netboot-installing prepared images, as not professional. |
| 15:06.11 | pgpkeys | even still |
| 15:06.16 | aurel42 | pgpkeys: at least that's what *I* believe we are talking about. ;) |
| 15:07.00 | pgpkeys | i've worked quite extensively in the field and that is a quite often utilized option, so i fail to see how it's somehow 'unprofessional' |
| 15:07.43 | liable | often used != the proper way |
| 15:07.44 | aurel42 | pgpkeys: I'm also not sure how serious that discussion really was. On my part, not too much. |
| 15:08.06 | liable | not that i am suggesting that fai isnt the proper way.. |
| 15:08.18 | liable | just playing devils advocate :) |
| 15:08.37 | vasco | thank you for all the link |
| 15:08.42 | pgpkeys | especially since ghost (which is also a professionally utilized deployment option) and acronis also give netboot installation as an option :) |
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| 15:09.03 | liable | norton ghost? |
| 15:09.19 | pgpkeys | symantec / norton ghost yes |
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| 15:09.54 | aurel42 | I wonder why syncing a software raid isn't visible as io in vmstat... |
| 15:10.17 | aurel42 | Does that happen "beneath the block layer" or something like that? |
| 15:10.34 | liable | it should show |
| 15:10.46 | aurel42 | it doesn't. |
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| 15:11.08 | liable | /proc/vmstat? |
| 15:11.23 | liable | mdadm has a switch for showing it too |
| 15:11.25 | aurel42 | I used vmstat 10 |
| 15:12.11 | rohan_1 | hello guys is it possible to automatically make usb drives to appear on the network? |
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| 15:12.19 | rohan_1 | !ebox > rohan_1 |
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| 15:12.49 | rohan_1 | !dpkg |
| 15:12.49 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 15:12.56 | rohan_1 | !ebox |
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| 15:13.20 | rohan_1 | does this mean that dpkg dosent know ebox? |
| 15:13.48 | vadmeste | Hi. I have a slow internet connection.. I upgrade my system to lenny and now all packages are in cache.. I'd like to burn these packages and reuse them later when I reinstall debian for example ? |
| 15:14.08 | vadmeste | how can I do that ? |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | just burn them on a CD .. and then put them in that directory later |
| 15:14.36 | justin | vadmeste: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:14.38 | abrotman | vadmeste: but uh .. they'll likely not be all that useful |
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| 15:14.50 | vadmeste | abrotman, I know |
| 15:14.53 | Tominator | hi! |
| 15:15.02 | vadmeste | justin, what do you mean ? |
| 15:15.09 | vadmeste | justin, I copy the packages |
| 15:15.18 | vadmeste | in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:15.24 | justin | yeah |
| 15:15.32 | vadmeste | so I can upgrade packages again ? |
| 15:15.38 | vadmeste | ok thanks |
| 15:15.43 | justin | there is also apt-zip, which I think works for cds also |
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| 15:16.00 | Tominator | sorry for the stupid question, but how do I mount a usb-drive manually? it contains 4 partitions and I don't know which one is which... i guess it's sdb... simply mpounting it won't work |
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| 15:16.09 | rohan_1 | vadmeste: nice idea 7-zip them |
| 15:16.12 | justin | Tominator: fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 15:16.18 | justin | Tominator: or just fdisk -l |
| 15:16.22 | abrotman | rohan_1: they're already compressed |
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| 15:16.49 | abrotman | rohan_1: and apt-zip does a bit more |
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| 15:17.30 | Tominator | justin: thanks mate ;) |
| 15:17.33 | rohan_1 | abrotman: so they 700mb+ |
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| 15:21.55 | vadmeste | I think that debian should include a bug reporter via web interface.. not all net users can send mails with SMTP |
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| 15:22.44 | petemc | they can if they use debian |
| 15:22.55 | vadmeste | o_O ? |
| 15:23.03 | vadmeste | I use debian.. how can I do that ? |
| 15:23.32 | vadmeste | I mean some ISP block SMTP access |
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| 15:23.47 | vadmeste | so the program reportbug won't work |
| 15:24.06 | petemc | vadmeste: surely they provide you with a means to send mail, usually they provide a mailserver |
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| 15:24.14 | MrWax | can someone maybe explain me how I can encrypt a simple file with GPG? |
| 15:24.15 | screamingbytes | my ISP blocks smtp, and had it open on 2 other ports instead |
| 15:24.19 | petemc | which you can have the mailserver debian comes with talk to |
| 15:24.21 | MrWax | with a passwowrd |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | vadmeste: use your webmail client |
| 15:24.49 | vadmeste | okhey okhey |
| 15:24.52 | vadmeste | ok ok |
| 15:25.14 | screamingbytes | vadmeste: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 15:25.31 | vadmeste | because when it will be complicated.. I abondon reporting a bug.. |
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| 15:26.04 | aurel42 | MrWax: gpg -c |
| 15:26.21 | vadmeste | I love debian but I don't have so much time to read documents... reportbug does that perfectly and easly.. |
| 15:26.38 | vadmeste | just add that for web interface |
| 15:26.39 | MrWax | aurel42: thats all? |
| 15:26.48 | petemc | you could substitute the time you spend on irc for time spent reading documentation |
| 15:26.54 | vadmeste | lool |
| 15:27.06 | aurel42 | aurel42: well, it also needs a filename, but I trust you'll figure that out. |
| 15:27.11 | aurel42 | oops. |
| 15:27.18 | aurel42 | MrWax: : well, it also needs a filename, but I trust you'll figure that out. |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | vadmeste: i believe there's a template you can copy into a webmail client on bugs.debian.org |
| 15:28.07 | vadmeste | abrotman, ok.. thanks I am reading it now.. |
| 15:28.18 | screamingbytes | there's one of those too |
| 15:28.42 | screamingbytes | but he wanted to fill in the bug report online, and not use SMTP to send |
| 15:29.02 | MrWax | aurel42: but i mean, whats the whole syntax? |
| 15:29.46 | stew | vadmeste: you can have reportbug save the email to a file instead of sending it with -o, or if you let it try to send and it fails, a copy of your bug report will be in /tmp. you can use this file to send via webmail |
| 15:29.46 | omry | how do I get mouse support in text mode (terminal) ? |
| 15:30.03 | liable | omry: gpm |
| 15:30.09 | omry | liable, thanks. |
| 15:30.11 | aurel42 | MrWax: echo test, one, two three >myfile; gpg -c myfile [enter passphrase twice]; rm myfile; mv myfile.gpg /encryptedfiles/ |
| 15:30.16 | stew | there was work being done (by marga?) for a web interface, but I don't know how close to completion that got |
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| 15:30.34 | MrWax | aurel42: ok thanks |
| 15:30.46 | aurel42 | MrWax: to decrypt: gpg myfile.gpg |
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| 15:35.37 | cremetorte | hello, which ftpd do you recommend ? |
| 15:35.53 | wols_ | !vsftpd |
| 15:35.53 | dpkg | [vsftpd] a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org and others! |
| 15:35.56 | aurel42 | I like vsftpd |
| 15:36.01 | wols_ | cremetorte: but you shouldn't use any ftpd |
| 15:36.10 | wols_ | cremetorte: use sshd or httpd |
| 15:36.26 | cremetorte | yes i know but my customer does not want to use SSH :/ |
| 15:36.32 | wols_ | slap him |
| 15:36.44 | cremetorte | i work for him so i shouldnt :) |
| 15:37.03 | aurel42 | Oh, for uploads? I wouldn't use ftp for uploads, just for download of big files (it uses less resources than an apache, e.g.). |
| 15:37.17 | screamingbytes | cremetorte: ive used vsftpd, use the chroot option |
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| 15:37.38 | aurel42 | cremetorte: tell him about WinSCP and how everything will be just like before, only secure. |
| 15:38.36 | aurel42 | cremetorte: perhaps WebDAV (via https) is an alternative for what you need to do? |
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| 15:39.48 | cremetorte | ok other question: ssh how can i create a ssh user who only got access to /foo/bar and only can upload 1000mb ( 1gb ) |
| 15:40.20 | aurel42 | cremetorte: look at rssh and quota. |
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| 15:40.45 | cremetorte | y |
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| 15:40.45 | cremetorte | ty |
| 15:41.42 | aurel42 | cremetorte: when using quota, make sure you don't write e.g. logfiles to the users area. It could result in a DOS attack by you against your own customer. ;) |
| 15:41.54 | DanDare | Hello all. My native language makes use of special chars, so when i copy some archives from another FS it cames without the special chars. I think i can fix this setting locales right? Point is that i wont have the system messages and environment in my native language but english. But still... i Want to be able to create archives or copy archive preserving the special chars. There´s a way to do this ? |
| 15:42.41 | aurel42 | DanDare: LANG=en_US.utf8 ? |
| 15:42.42 | screamingbytes | aurel42: lol |
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| 15:43.02 | DanDare | aurel42, i must set utf8 on locales ? |
| 15:43.20 | aurel42 | DanDare: pardon, en_US.UTF-8, I think that's the way it needs to be spelled. |
| 15:43.39 | aurel42 | DanDare: it's 2008.. when are you going to switch to UTF-8 if not now? ;) |
| 15:43.47 | DanDare | aurel42, no problem. thanks |
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| 15:44.02 | DanDare | aurel42, heh. I dont know... special charset just wont show :p |
| 15:44.15 | aurel42 | DanDare: pardon? |
| 15:44.31 | DanDare | aurel42, im going to switch right now if its not yet :) |
| 15:44.38 | aurel42 | DanDare: utf-8 makes sure that any character of any language can be properly encoded and (if the fonts are there) displayed. |
| 15:44.48 | DanDare | i see |
| 15:45.09 | aurel42 | DanDare: if "the other" system is Windows, it's probably using utf-8 already. |
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| 15:45.33 | DanDare | it´s Windows "the other" |
| 15:45.39 | DanDare | ok |
| 15:45.52 | aurel42 | DanDare: then utf-8 could simply make everything work like magic. Or not. YMMV. :D |
| 15:46.16 | DanDare | i remember i had a big time setting PHP locales to show right my web page |
| 15:46.25 | DanDare | :) |
| 15:46.48 | aurel42 | DanDare: I found the best solution is to use utf-8 everywhere, in the database, in the PHP application, in the filesystem, in my documents. |
| 15:47.01 | DanDare | nice |
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| 15:47.12 | aurel42 | It was awkward to get everything converted, but now I "live happily ever after". :D |
| 15:47.31 | DanDare | that´s the point |
| 15:47.38 | DanDare | im using joomla and its components |
| 15:47.54 | DanDare | dont know exactly but i think i should start converting lines |
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| 15:48.12 | aurel42 | Ah, double-encoded utf-8 rears it's ugly head when CMS systems don't set up the tables properly. |
| 15:48.29 | DanDare | but hell they are suposed to be using utf8 these days, its 2008 already :p |
| 15:48.37 | aurel42 | I haven't seen it with Joomla, but with plenty of other CMS systems and blog software. |
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| 15:49.31 | DanDare | let start from the begin |
| 15:49.59 | rvsjoen | anyone have any good tricks to be able to install the system using device mapper ? I think I need an initrd that does the dm setup |
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| 15:50.02 | cremetorte | i remmebr in gentoo i could type "dmesg | tail" for system messages but in debian its empty. is there another system log |
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| 15:50.27 | aurel42 | rvsjoen: during the last three days I found that Debian does everything for you. :D |
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| 15:50.33 | rvsjoen | really |
| 15:50.40 | rvsjoen | interesting |
| 15:50.56 | tralala | rvsjoen, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 15:50.58 | DanDare | aurel42, surprise, i have yet LANG=en_US.UTF-8 :( |
| 15:51.06 | liable | doesnt do my housework! |
| 15:51.30 | DanDare | im doing file copies using Xorg, maybe Xorg uses its own encoding system ? |
| 15:51.33 | aurel42 | rvsjoen: yeah, I build kernels with make-kpkg --initrd, that automagically uses update-initramfs -u to build a new initrd-image and update-grub to tell grub about it. |
| 15:51.36 | rvsjoen | put two drives into a striped raid using the on-board controller, and then use device mapper to install linux on it (not using linux software raid) |
| 15:51.45 | tralala | liable, don't pretend you have housework - that requries a life |
| 15:51.48 | aurel42 | rvsjoen: I am on lenny, though, not too sure about etch. |
| 15:51.59 | zack23 | how do I set directory permissions to a directory so any new files are always group writeable - chmod g+s doesn't seem to work. |
| 15:52.03 | DanDare | but nah, the file manager its just a front-end for the system tasks,... so.... where to go ? |
| 15:52.07 | rvsjoen | aurel42 : do you use raid and device mapper ? |
| 15:52.17 | liable | tralala: i have a life, i just try and ignore the piles of beer cans surrounding my computer desk.. |
| 15:52.25 | aurel42 | rvsjoen: mdadm raid and dm for encryption on top. |
| 15:52.34 | DanDare | liable, empty cans ? |
| 15:52.43 | liable | of course |
| 15:52.49 | tralala | some full, if you're able to find them |
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| 15:53.01 | rvsjoen | isnt mdadm linux software raid ? |
| 15:53.04 | liable | if they were full, they would be *on* the desk! |
| 15:53.24 | DanDare | som guys have strange habits you know |
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| 15:53.34 | aurel42 | rvsjoen: yes, I prefer it to hardware raids because my mobos break more often than my disks. ;) |
| 15:53.44 | zack23 | sudo chmod 1775 .; touch test_file .... test_file is not group writable |
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| 15:53.50 | rvsjoen | aha |
| 15:54.04 | DanDare | i must recompile my question |
| 15:54.16 | tralala | rvsjoen, you're aware that your mobo raid is also software raid but using propriarity drivers, right? |
| 15:54.38 | liable | DanDare: yes, dont forget -Wall |
| 15:54.43 | aurel42 | DanDare: can you see the special chars correctly on the mounted windows partition? |
| 15:54.52 | DanDare | aurel42, yes |
| 15:55.11 | justin | DanDare: copying a file does not change the files contents |
| 15:55.17 | DanDare | justin, no |
| 15:55.18 | aurel42 | DanDare: to be sure, we're talking about something like Umlauts in filenames, not about the content of the files? |
| 15:55.18 | rvsjoen | the controller is a "Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB SATA RAID Controller" which I assume is also software raid but "software in the bios" and not in the operating system |
| 15:55.20 | DanDare | but chnage its name |
| 15:55.28 | justin | DanDare: that is different |
| 15:55.31 | rvsjoen | and dmraid talks to this controller, no ? |
| 15:55.34 | justin | DanDare: what kind of filesystem are you copying from/to |
| 15:55.44 | DanDare | not the content, the file name miss the special chars when i copy to ext3 |
| 15:55.46 | tralala | rvsjoen, if it did you wouldn't need an OS driver, would you? |
| 15:55.52 | DanDare | NTFS -> ext3 |
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| 15:55.57 | aurel42 | DanDare: I think it *should* work if both filesystems are using utf8 filenames. |
| 15:56.03 | DanDare | using ntfs-3g that Debian dont like so much |
| 15:56.25 | DanDare | aurel42, ok, i will check what´s going wrong if i can |
| 15:56.48 | rvsjoen | so whats the real difference between the linux software raid and the "fake" hardware raid ? |
| 15:56.52 | DanDare | but NTFS uses utf8 by default ? |
| 15:57.06 | justin | rvsjoen: next to nothing |
| 15:57.12 | rvsjoen | interesting |
| 15:57.18 | tralala | rvsjoen, your disks won't work with a different controller |
| 15:57.26 | tralala | "fake" raid |
| 15:57.28 | aurel42 | DanDare: I think so, not sure whether that started with win98 or xp. |
| 15:57.29 | rvsjoen | but they will with linux software raid |
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| 15:57.37 | DanDare | ok aurel42 thanks |
| 15:57.42 | rvsjoen | ok ill just drop the whole thing and do the software raid |
| 15:57.44 | tralala | rvsjoen, yes, they will. |
| 15:57.46 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 15:57.53 | DanDare | i know a guy called trilili and his brother trololo |
| 15:58.07 | DanDare | maybe they have another brother called tralala.... true history |
| 15:58.08 | tralala | I'm their cousine |
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| 15:58.34 | DanDare | if yo´re brazilian i believe in you |
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| 15:59.19 | aurel42 | DanDare: there's a tool that will rename files from one encoding to another, but I can't remember the name. Perhaps someone else can help us out? |
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| 15:59.38 | aurel42 | convmv? |
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| 15:59.51 | DanDare | sounds interesting if everything else fails |
| 16:00.00 | DanDare | convmv for linux ? |
| 16:00.16 | aurel42 | DanDare: yup, a command line tool |
| 16:00.22 | DanDare | yeah apt intalls convmv |
| 16:00.26 | DanDare | *installs |
| 16:00.57 | aurel42 | DanDare: convmv --list shows all the encodings it knows about. Huge list. ;) |
| 16:01.04 | DanDare | nice |
| 16:01.09 | trenka | convm is system independent -- perl |
| 16:01.18 | DanDare | i must try so utf8 -> utf8 conversion |
| 16:01.38 | aurel42 | DanDare: well, try all possible combinations until you find one that works. :D |
| 16:01.41 | DanDare | because as i can state i have both FS working in utf8 :p |
| 16:01.45 | DanDare | cool |
| 16:01.47 | aurel42 | DanDare: that's the scientific method. |
| 16:02.29 | DanDare | its kinda empiric |
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| 16:02.37 | aurel42 | DanDare: if you can see the special chars correctly on both filesystems from the shell, just use cp/rsync/tar or whatever to copy the files instead of Nautilus (the file manager). |
| 16:03.10 | DanDare | aurel42, im using some file manager that works on X |
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| 16:03.19 | DanDare | they have separetely encoding shit ? |
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| 16:03.38 | DanDare | its thunar |
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| 16:04.03 | aurel42 | DanDare: not that I'm aware of, but that's not really my area of expertise. The Gnome VFS layer for example might do some magic. Or ntfs-3g. Or Thunar itself. |
| 16:04.12 | DanDare | hmm, the files are stored on a CD-ROM, this may cause trouble ? |
| 16:04.25 | aurel42 | That's not ntfs then. |
| 16:04.36 | DanDare | yeah man,... sorry for the wrong info |
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| 16:05.00 | DanDare | i mixed things i was doing :( |
| 16:05.06 | DanDare | and told you wrong |
| 16:05.16 | aurel42 | No idea what default encoding Joliet (the "filename standard" for CDs, as I understand it) is using. |
| 16:05.55 | dandc | can you force screen to attach to a non-screen session? |
| 16:06.05 | aurel42 | Google tells me Joliet uses Unicode, so I don't see where your characters are going. |
| 16:06.21 | aurel42 | dandc: no, it cannot "steal" the session. |
| 16:06.45 | DanDare | aurel42, i will make some tests, including copying the damn DVD to the ntfs first |
| 16:06.59 | ameyer | makes some sort of comment about Joliet being full of crap |
| 16:07.11 | aurel42 | dandc: you want to "steal" a shell (or something) not running in a screen session from somewhere else to display it locally, correct? |
| 16:07.19 | dandc | correct |
| 16:07.24 | ameyer | and then realizes that you're not talking about Joliet, IL |
| 16:07.35 | dandc | I'm logged in as same user, and have root access if it's needed |
| 16:07.48 | tralala | dandc, non-screen or not detached? |
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| 16:08.24 | tralala | screen supports shared sessions that you can join with -x if enabled in the config |
| 16:08.24 | aurel42 | dandc: no idea if you can steal the tty somehow. |
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| 16:09.03 | liable | 5212 |
| 16:09.11 | dandc | it's not a screen, and it's logged into from another console |
| 16:09.12 | tralala | no, 42 |
| 16:09.14 | liable | oops |
| 16:09.19 | liable | echan |
| 16:09.21 | [gnubie] | i am trying to build a .deb package of asterisk but i always get this error => http://paste.debian.net/18449/ |
| 16:09.30 | liable | !ignore tralala |
| 16:09.30 | dpkg | sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, tralala" |
| 16:09.33 | dandc | can I cat the /dev to see recent output? something went wrong, and I wanna see what's going on |
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| 16:09.41 | liable | giggles |
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| 16:09.57 | [gnubie] | any idea what's the problem with my attempt to build a .deb package? |
| 16:10.11 | aurel42 | [gnubie]: one of the patches is "broken". |
| 16:10.21 | [gnubie] | aurel42: i see.. |
| 16:10.26 | DanDare | i have LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and doing 'ls' on mounted DVD wont show the special chars, it shows just ?´s instead. So the problem is not even copying the files |
| 16:10.32 | [gnubie] | aurel42: thanks |
| 16:10.36 | tralala | liable, there must be a lot of benefits of being easily amused ;p |
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| 16:10.49 | aurel42 | [gnubie]: you could either fix the patch for doc/hardware.txt or remove it. |
| 16:11.19 | liable | tralala: absolutely. keeps me sane'ish :) |
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| 16:11.53 | tralala | DanDare, do the names show up correctly anwhere? It's possible that they were messed up on creation. |
| 16:12.00 | Computer | I have sshd set up so that I can ssh into the computer. It works for a while, then I can't ping the computer's IP address or ssh into it. This happens in about 15 minutes. I go to the machine and look at ifconfig and ping a few hosts and it works. I come back and sit down at my SSH terminal and I can now log in again. |
| 16:12.07 | Computer | This keeps happening, I don't know why. |
| 16:12.17 | [gnubie] | aurel42: ok |
| 16:12.20 | aurel42 | DanDare: copy the files, then convmv from your language's locale to utf8? |
| 16:12.26 | DanDare | tralala, its not because if i navigate onto DVD using win2000, that´s also installed on some VM, it show correctly |
| 16:12.55 | aurel42 | DanDare: that you're seeing a single ? instead of the char leads me to believe it's one of the old locales (e.g. iso-8859-x) |
| 16:13.01 | DanDare | my lang locale on Debian is yet UTF8 |
| 16:13.12 | DanDare | aurel42, nice to hear |
| 16:13.46 | tralala | DanDare, try to remount the cd with another codepage |
| 16:13.50 | aurel42 | DanDare: or, since it is Windows, probably something like cp850. |
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| 16:14.41 | aurel42 | tralala: I don't think a cp from a cp850 DVD to a utf-8 ext3 fs will automagically convert the filenames, will it? |
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| 16:15.00 | DanDare | windows will record CD´s using wich codepage ? |
| 16:15.00 | onur | Hi. I have a problem. I am trying to reconfigure locales with dpkg-reconfigure locales. It's saying: locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory What is the problem? |
| 16:15.09 | DanDare | ouch, i must ask this on #windows |
| 16:15.19 | aurel42 | DanDare: probably the system's default cp. |
| 16:15.21 | tralala | aurel42, no I don't think so |
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| 16:15.57 | aurel42 | tralala: so I recommend just copying the files with the borked filenames and using "convmv" to fix them (convert cpXXX -> utf8) on the target partition. |
| 16:15.57 | DanDare | damn time is over |
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| 16:16.05 | DanDare | thanks aurel42 and tralala for the help |
| 16:16.13 | aurel42 | DanDare: good luck |
| 16:16.13 | tralala | DanDare, what's your non-utf8 encoding? |
| 16:16.27 | DanDare | thanks, i g2g now |
| 16:17.47 | tralala | aurel42, ah I see your point |
| 16:18.40 | aurel42 | that's almost as good as having DanDare telling me it actually worked, thanks. ;) |
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| 16:19.59 | tralala | hehe |
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| 16:27.30 | Hideme | I have two servers with identical content and configs (redundancy). The only difference is their IP address. When I do an http request to server1, everything is fine. When I make the same request to server2, I get an htaccess login screen. Any explanations for this behaviour? |
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| 16:27.58 | dandc | could your browser have the login cached for one IP, but not the other? |
| 16:28.15 | aurel42 | Hideme: <VirtualHost IP-of-one-server-and-not-the-other:80> |
| 16:28.24 | Hideme | dandc actually... a Cisco content switch does the check. So no. |
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| 16:29.25 | Hideme | aurel42: Confirm they differ in the config? |
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| 16:30.12 | aurel42 | Hideme: if I were right, with the identical config, a request to the first server would be served from the actual VHost config, a request to the second server would be served from the "default" VHost config. |
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| 16:30.45 | Ace2016_- | hi all |
| 16:31.08 | Ace2016_- | how can i fill up the ram fast? |
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| 16:31.30 | aurel42 | Ace2016_-: start Firefox? |
| 16:31.33 | Arrick | hey all, I have proftpd on a debian server, and I cant figure out how to tell 1. Is it running? 2. Who can connect to it? |
| 16:31.33 | Ace2016_- | i haven't even filled 1GB yet |
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| 16:31.40 | Arrick | any ideas would be appreciated |
| 16:31.53 | Ace2016_- | look in the process list? |
| 16:32.00 | aurel42 | Arrick: /etc/init.d/proftpd status ? |
| 16:32.09 | Ace2016_- | aurel42: still not even a gig |
| 16:32.27 | Ace2016_- | maybe updatedb will read lots of files to the disk cache in the ram |
| 16:32.36 | tralala | Ace2016_-, write a programme that allocates lots of ram |
| 16:32.36 | Arrick | Usage: /etc/init.d/proftpd {start|force-start|stop|force-stop|reload|restart|force-reload} |
| 16:32.37 | Hideme | aurel42: How so? Both servers have their own IP, which differs in the config. |
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| 16:32.59 | justin | Ace2016_-: updatedb does not read files |
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| 16:33.08 | Ace2016_- | it doesn't? |
| 16:33.10 | Arrick | its running aurel42 |
| 16:33.23 | Ace2016_- | reads the filesystem inodes? |
| 16:33.25 | aurel42 | Arrick: I guess then your stuck to checking for the pid file or "ps -C proftpd" |
| 16:33.42 | Arrick | its running, I just stopped it and restarted it |
| 16:33.48 | justin | it reads the filesystem metadata, which is only a few megabytes total |
| 16:33.50 | Arrick | now I need to get the users setup for it |
| 16:33.52 | aurel42 | Hideme: Apache? |
| 16:34.01 | Hideme | aurel42: Apache2 |
| 16:34.13 | aurel42 | Hideme: btw, didn't you say they had identical configs? |
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| 16:34.41 | aurel42 | Hideme: now you're saying they have different configs, so I assume it's possible you mistyped something when you changed the config. ;) |
| 16:34.52 | Hideme | aurel42: Yes, except where IP addresses are involved. |
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| 16:35.12 | aurel42 | Hideme: double-check those places then. |
| 16:35.52 | Hideme | aurel42: I've diffed the configs.... and all was working fine up until a regular aptitude update yesterday. |
| 16:36.03 | aurel42 | Hideme: and check the not-so-obvious places too, for example "<Virtualhost mydomain.com:80>" |
| 16:36.06 | Ace2016_- | the free command shows that i have less ram than i should |
| 16:36.13 | justin | Ace2016_-: how much less |
| 16:36.14 | Hideme | k |
| 16:36.17 | Ace2016_- | so is there a way to check what amount of ram is in each bank? |
| 16:36.28 | aurel42 | Hideme: mydomain.com will only resolve to one of the two addresses which could be the problem. |
| 16:37.18 | Hideme | aurel42: So would having <Virtualhost *> on both servers cause an issue? |
| 16:37.29 | aurel42 | No, that's exactly what you want. |
| 16:38.19 | aurel42 | Then I'm lost, sorry. Can't think of any other cause, especially none that appeared after an update. |
| 16:38.22 | Ace2016_- | i should have 8GB (8 388 608) but it shows 7.574GB (7 942 200) |
| 16:39.01 | justin | Ace2016_-: read the beginning of /var/log/dmesg |
| 16:39.13 | justin | Ace2016_-: alternatively, give me all of your ram. |
| 16:39.21 | justin | you seem to have too much :) |
| 16:39.44 | Ace2016_- | :D |
| 16:39.51 | Ace2016_- | i need it for my VM |
| 16:40.00 | aurel42 | Ace2016_-: that's because of the marketing. Vendors put fewer and fewer bits on their RAM modules and advertize them with some marketing blitz so you think it's more than it actually is. |
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| 16:40.18 | Syn- | hop |
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| 16:40.25 | aurel42 | Ace2016_-: so you probably have some 0.9GB modules in your system. |
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| 16:40.40 | Ace2016_- | 2 Old ones had 4GB, added 2 new ones today |
| 16:40.43 | tralala | aurel42, are they doing this to RAM too? |
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| 16:41.05 | aurel42 | tralala: actually, I'm just kidding. But *I* thought it was REALLY funny. |
| 16:41.27 | De_Mon | I'm trying to understand how dig's +trace option works |
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| 16:42.09 | De_Mon | when i do a dig <domain.com> -t ns +trace +all the trace stops without an authoritative answer but I don't know why |
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| 16:42.43 | De_Mon | querying any other type such as -t a, the trace continues till it sees the aa flag (authoritative answer) |
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| 16:44.20 | tralala | aurel42, I can see your confusion now :p |
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| 16:45.46 | Ace2016_- | in a 64bit environment the 512MB graphics card doesn't decrease the total usable ram like it does with a 32bit os does it? |
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| 16:46.38 | liable | if you have a 512 graphics card, its almost certainly dedicated ram on the card |
| 16:47.23 | liable | whether its 32 or 64 bit or not |
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| 16:47.35 | tralala | is 8GB the maximum 32bit address space? In that case it's quite possible that the window for the card is occupying it |
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| 16:48.08 | liable | tralala: 32bit kernel can do 64G now iirc |
| 16:48.21 | tralala | oh, so it shouldn't be the card |
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| 16:49.20 | stew | tralala: 4gb is the maximum address space unless you use PAE (the CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G config option) which is in the -bigmem kernels |
| 16:49.23 | liable | even still, is graphic card even included in that? |
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| 16:49.42 | Ace2016_- | tralala: 32bit's maximum is 4Gb of addressable rm which includes the pci card memory, graphics memory and ram memory |
| 16:49.57 | tralala | I'm no expert, but the video card takes up address space for it's ram to be accessed |
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| 16:50.29 | tralala | Ace2016_-, so how do you run 8GB? 64 bit? |
| 16:50.33 | Ace2016_- | but in a 64bit environment 8GB +512MB should be no problem |
| 16:50.48 | Ace2016_- | tralala: install debian sid 64bit and add 8GB |
| 16:51.41 | tralala | Ace2016_-, I already have 64bit debian, the question is do you see 7,5gigs on 64bit debian? |
| 16:52.18 | Ace2016_- | yea, i think the ram is defective, finding a program to show how much each stick of ram is showing up as, if one is different then i'll have to rma the stick |
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| 16:53.04 | karlpinc | What do errors like these mean in dmesg? (Other than I need to fsck.) Could I have a hardware problem or some sort of incompatibiltiy between my drive and my controller, or do I need to change some sort of bios setting? This has happened a few times in the last month since I got the box so it's not a one-time occurance. Thanks |
| 16:53.06 | karlpinc | EXT3-fs error (device dm-0): ext3_readdir: directory #181712 contains a hole at offset 4096 |
| 16:53.11 | karlpinc | Remounting filesystem read-only |
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| 16:53.25 | aurel42 | ouch |
| 16:53.33 | Kobaz | that looks lovely |
| 16:53.39 | SparFux | how can I grant one single user access to exactly my usb camera? |
| 16:53.40 | karlpinc | Ace2016_- : memtest86+ |
| 16:54.05 | justin | karlpinc: anything else before that? |
| 16:54.16 | Ace2016_- | karlpinc: that was fine, still bios and free show less ram than i should have,and lshw doesn't show how much ram is there per stick |
| 16:54.21 | karlpinc | SparFux : My guess would be to add that user to the camera group. |
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| 16:54.31 | justin | Ace2016_-: what did /var/log/dmesg show? |
| 16:54.31 | Ace2016_- | i really can't take the ram out, its under part of the heatsink |
| 16:54.39 | Ace2016_- | i'll read it |
| 16:54.56 | SparFux | karllpinc: What kind of group would that be? USB is hot pluggable. The user should have access to the camera. |
| 16:54.59 | karlpinc | Ace2016_- : Dunno. Could be part of the ram is used for the video.... |
| 16:55.20 | karlpinc | SparFux : The "camera" group? There is such a group, but I'm just guessing as to it's purpose. |
| 16:55.33 | karlpinc | justin : Not in dmesg. |
| 16:56.01 | SparFux | karlpinc: You're right, there is such a group! |
| 16:56.01 | SparFux | wow |
| 16:56.13 | aurel42 | SparFux: I think you can assign any USB device any group you want using an udev rule, if the camera group doesn't fit your needs. |
| 16:56.24 | justin | karlpinc: if your HD had a problem you would also see ide/scsi errors complaining about sectors being unreadable |
| 16:56.30 | karlpinc | SparFux : Remember, group assignment happens at login. So changes won't be seen until then. |
| 16:56.44 | justin | karlpinc: memtest would be a good first step |
| 16:56.50 | SparFux | karlpinc: id -a says I am in camera group, but access is denied. |
| 16:56.59 | karlpinc | justin : Did that. 15 passes for 6 hours. No problems. |
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| 16:57.58 | Pulpie | hey |
| 16:58.02 | karlpinc | SparFux : Check the group on the device in /dev. If it's not camera see aurel42 about writing a udev rule. |
| 16:58.10 | justin | karlpinc: you'll have to fsck.. if you can run some tests for a while, do something like repeatedly copy a large file and calculate the md5sum |
| 16:58.12 | Pulpie | what do i install to get ice weasel working with java? |
| 16:58.19 | Pulpie | i cant find it in apt |
| 16:58.28 | justin | karlpinc: if everytime you do it you get a different checksum something is really broken |
| 16:58.37 | karlpinc | justin : Do you have a recommended "stress" command line? |
| 16:58.46 | aurel42 | Pulpie: apt-get install sun-java[56]-plugin ? |
| 16:58.59 | Ace2016_- | Found this: [ 0.004000] Memory: 7935052k/9437184k available (2184k kernel code, 189936k reserved, 1012k data, 372k init) |
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| 16:59.11 | Ace2016_- | why is the rest unavailable? |
| 16:59.11 | Pulpie | aurel42: thanks a lot. |
| 16:59.12 | karlpinc | justin : Things mostly seem to work. But I get this problem and the partition remounts ro. |
| 16:59.20 | justin | karlpinc: something simple like while true;do cp random.iso new.iso;cmp random.iso new.iso;done |
| 17:00.15 | aliases123 | Pulpie: java is non-free |
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| 17:00.17 | aliases123 | ~java |
| 17:00.18 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the "mpkg-j2se" package, or at http://www.jpackage.org, or <reply> java hates you |
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| 17:00.33 | Pulpie | aliases123: your not going to give me a speech are you? |
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| 17:00.57 | aliases123 | no. its just in non-free add non-free if you want it. - i think you can use cgj if you are on lenny. don't think its on etch. |
| 17:01.15 | Pulpie | aliases123: oh, i already have non-free |
| 17:01.18 | tralala | Pulpie, /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:01.30 | Pulpie | tralala: its ok he assumed i didn't have non-free |
| 17:01.53 | Pulpie | which is a reasonable assumtion i might add ^_^ |
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| 17:02.43 | aliases123 | Pulpie: i have no -free software installed + its not by default so yeah ^ ^ |
| 17:03.03 | Pulpie | heh |
| 17:03.15 | karlpinc | Ace2016_- : Maybe there's a kernel parameter in kernel-parameters.txt in the kernel docs? (Dunno. I came in in the middle of things and am not sure what your problem is.) |
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| 17:03.51 | karlpinc | justin : I'll try something. I'm thinking of using the "stress" program. |
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| 17:04.28 | Ace2016_- | maybe cat /proc/meminfo will help |
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| 17:05.15 | karlpinc | justin : Maybe I'll run badblocks, with -n. |
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| 17:05.56 | karlpinc | justin : Any idea what a "hole" is? I'm thinking maybe the drive is sleeping or something dumb like that. |
| 17:06.58 | justin | karlpinc: don't think so, sounds like filesystem corruption |
| 17:06.58 | SparFux | karlpinc: I have to add user to group PLUGDEV ! :-) |
| 17:06.58 | Ace2016_- | karlpinc: did you check the smart data? |
| 17:07.20 | Ace2016_- | the drive could be at the end of its life |
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| 17:11.26 | aurel42 | karlpinc: UTSL... /* We ignore I/O errors on directories so users have a chance of recovering data when there's a bad sector */ |
| 17:11.49 | aurel42 | karlpinc: linux/fs/ext3/dir.c |
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| 17:13.27 | karlpinc | Ace2016_- : New drive. Old computer. |
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| 17:14.16 | Ace2016_- | i've had to rma a few bad drives, wouldn't surprise me |
| 17:14.33 | aurel42 | karlpinc: check the source, the message about the hole is printed when the block layer didn't return a block handle (as I understand it). |
| 17:14.48 | karlpinc | Ace2016_- : I'm pretty sure I ran 2 passes of badblocks -w on it before I started using it. |
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| 17:14.49 | aurel42 | karlpinc: does NOT sound like a filesystem issue to me. |
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| 17:14.59 | karlpinc | aurel42 : Thanks. |
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| 17:15.44 | karlpinc | It seems only to happen when I'm _not_ using the box for a little while. |
| 17:16.15 | justin | aurel42: if it was a drive problem there would be something in dmesg about it |
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| 17:16.46 | karlpinc | I'm going to go look at the console and see if there's anything there. |
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| 17:19.10 | karlpinc | No messages at all on the console. :-/ |
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| 17:19.59 | karlpinc | SparFux : That means to me that the udev rules are not right. |
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| 17:22.04 | SparFux | karlpinc: Yes, you can do things more specifically with tweaking udev ruules. But for now it's ok I can access my digicam, and I have a usb stick which I can even access. There aren't more devices I have got for usb atm. |
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| 17:23.49 | justin | SparFux: there is also a 'plugdev' group you should be in |
| 17:24.11 | SparFux | justin: That's what I said :-) |
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| 17:24.35 | SparFux | justin: to tweak which devices the user can EXACCTLY access, you need to tweak udev rules though. |
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| 17:24.59 | karlpinc | I'm going to go poke the bios with a stick. Any guesses as to what to poke? |
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| 17:26.17 | abrotman | not the red wire |
| 17:26.51 | aurel42 | karlpinc: set everything that says "TURBO" back to "STANDARD" |
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| 17:28.03 | karlpinc | aurel42 : Any idea when that 'break' statement in the code is taken? The drive is a lot bigger than I'd expect the hardware to expect. (160G on an old box.) |
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| 17:28.39 | karlpinc | aurel42 : Not that the drive size appears to cause a problem in normal use. (Althnough I've left a lot of unpartitioned space.) |
| 17:29.50 | izzyb | are there any hardware diadnostic tools available for the freerunner? |
| 17:29.53 | aurel42 | I don't see why the age of the system should make a difference after boot time? |
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| 17:30.52 | izzyb | nm, wrong channel... |
| 17:30.54 | aurel42 | karlpinc: during boot time, a system not supporting LBA would be restricted to having the kernel on the first 1024 cylinders, but even then, after booting the kernel all the space on the drive should be available to the kernel, oramiwrong? |
| 17:30.55 | Pulpie | !flash |
| 17:30.55 | dpkg | well, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:31.05 | Pulpie | !adobe flash |
| 17:31.05 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is non-free and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree (sid or backports.org) or flashplayer-mozilla (debian-multimedia.org). Adobe doesn't provide security support for flash except to upgrade to the latest version, so Adobe Flash cannot be in a stable release (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). See also <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing> <dmm> <nspluginwrapper> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:31.10 | abrotman | Pulpie: msg the bot |
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| 17:31.21 | Pulpie | sorry thats all i needed |
| 17:31.29 | abrotman | great .. in the future .. msg the bot please |
| 17:32.36 | karlpinc | aurel42 : Sounds sane to me. |
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| 17:33.29 | Pulpie | wtf the flashplayer-mozilla isn't a package and the flashplugin-nonfree is package but refered to by another package. |
| 17:33.34 | onur | Hi. My mysqld doesn't starting and i dont know why. mysql.err and mysql.log is empty |
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| 17:34.08 | Pulpie | i have non-free on my apt sources. |
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| 17:38.04 | stew | Pulpie: on lenny |
| 17:38.06 | stew | ? |
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| 17:38.34 | stew | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:38.36 | judd | stew: flashplugin-nonfree: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 (etch-backports/contrib) 1:1.7.2 (sid/contrib) 1:1.7.2+fp10.20080811 (experimental/contrib) |
| 17:38.55 | stew | Pulpie: its in contrib, and not in lenny ^^^ |
| 17:38.58 | Pulpie | stew: yeah |
| 17:39.03 | paxcoder | people on bash are being real smart, so I need to ask you, sorry for the OT. How can I pipe an output to rm, or dpkg? |
| 17:39.19 | Pulpie | stew: why is it not in lenny or sid? |
| 17:39.23 | aurel42 | paxcoder: man xargs |
| 17:39.38 | stew | Pulpie: it is in sid |
| 17:40.10 | Pulpie | isn't sid stable? |
| 17:40.24 | aurel42 | yes, sid isn't stable |
| 17:40.31 | Pulpie | and lennys testing |
| 17:40.40 | Pulpie | so why is it in stable |
| 17:40.43 | Pulpie | and not testing |
| 17:40.43 | Ace2016_- | thats what they want you to believe ;) |
| 17:40.50 | stew | Pulpie: sid is unstable. it was removed from testing in 2007 with no reason given, probably because it was buggy |
| 17:40.50 | Ace2016_- | sid is stable for me |
| 17:41.04 | Vault | noway :p |
| 17:41.04 | Pulpie | rolls eyes |
| 17:41.16 | Pulpie | w/e I just installed it from the site |
| 17:41.21 | Ace2016_- | stew: what do you mean removed from testing? its always unstable |
| 17:41.37 | Ace2016_- | yea i know unstable as in fast changing versions and not as in broken system crashing apps |
| 17:41.39 | abrotman | because it changes too much, is horrible insecure, and and we can't redistribute directly IIRC, so the whole thing is a security nightmare .. enjoy :) |
| 17:41.44 | stew | Ace2016_-: i mean luk added an RM hint that britney should remove flashplugin-nonfree from testing |
| 17:41.44 | aurel42 | woody is kinda becoming unstable |
| 17:42.05 | paxcoder | aurel42: thank you. |
| 17:42.14 | stew | judd: bug 457291 |
| 17:42.15 | judd | stew: Bug #457291 (pending) flashplugin-nonfree -- flashplugin-nonfree: decision 2007-12-21: keep this package out of stable starting with lenny; Severity: serious; Last Modified: 2008-02-04 20:15:03 |
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| 17:42.31 | aurel42 | paxcoder: my pleasure. |
| 17:42.38 | paxcoder | :-) |
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| 17:43.24 | stew | Pulpie: it looks like the plan is to make it available via backports or volatile (like the way it is currently available via backports). see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457291 for more info |
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| 17:43.46 | F1r3_B1rd | 'ssup u guy |
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| 17:43.47 | F1r3_B1rd | s |
| 17:43.49 | abrotman | i like how they say volatile doesn't introduce new features |
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| 17:44.31 | stew | abrotman: do they? |
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| 17:44.56 | abrotman | The Debian Stable Release Managers |
| 17:44.57 | abrotman | Team does not support fast updates in "stable". And "volatile" is not |
| 17:44.57 | abrotman | meant to bring new features in "stable". |
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| 17:45.36 | Pulpie | i love how they aren't using firefox as firefox because the logo is closed registered but so is the logo debian. |
| 17:45.42 | wols_ | stew: will they put nvidia drivers in volatile too? |
| 17:46.00 | abrotman | Pulpie: that's only part of the reason .. nice attempt at a troll though |
| 17:46.38 | stew | wols_: no idea |
| 17:47.09 | abrotman | maybe they should put all the m-a/binary stuff in volatile |
| 17:47.12 | Pulpie | abrotman: ... its not trolling im just saying thats something the happened |
| 17:47.19 | Pulpie | that* |
| 17:47.20 | stew | Pulpie: the debian open use logo isn't. the debian official use logo shouldn't appear in main |
| 17:47.28 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is it possible to reinstall grub using the debian cd installer? |
| 17:47.31 | Pulpie | stew: huh? |
| 17:47.38 | Pulpie | stew: please restate |
| 17:48.03 | stew | Pulpie: the debian open use logo doesn't have restrictions on its use they way the firefox trademarks do. the debian official use logo which has restrictions shouldn't appear in main |
| 17:48.07 | abrotman | Pulpie: but that's only part of the reason .. and minor compared to the other reasons |
| 17:48.22 | abrotman | !tell Pulpie about why iceweasel |
| 17:48.24 | karlpinc | gonzaloaf_laptop : You can boot from the install cd in rescue mode, go through and get a shell and chroot and do anything. |
| 17:48.29 | Pulpie | abrotman: what are the main other reasons |
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| 17:48.47 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: yes |
| 17:49.13 | gonzaloaf_laptop | booting in rescue mode... could you explain me the whole steps? |
| 17:49.25 | wols_ | !rescue |
| 17:49.25 | dpkg | methinks rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 17:49.44 | Pulpie | abrotman: any others? |
| 17:49.52 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: before chrotting you will also need to bind moutn /dev and /proc |
| 17:49.58 | infinity_probabl | hello there... anybody saw the lwn articles about boot time? |
| 17:50.11 | wols_ | infinity_probabl: ask your real question |
| 17:50.12 | infinity_probabl | and has done anything about debian boot time? |
| 17:50.19 | infinity_probabl | here it is... ;-) |
| 17:50.27 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, could you detail the steps plz? |
| 17:50.42 | infinity_probabl | reducing boot time in debian... |
| 17:50.43 | stew | Pulpie: mozilla told debian that debian must stop using the firefox trademark unless it includes the non-free artwork (which debian cannot do) and debian doesn't add security fixes to old versions of firefox (and debian wants to provide security fixes for stable) |
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| 17:50.49 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: could you read the mentioned urls plz? |
| 17:50.59 | wols_ | infinity_probabl: there is no question mark there |
| 17:51.30 | infinity_probabl | ok... sorry. let me refrase: anyone has put any work in reducing debian boot times, like the article in lwn? |
| 17:51.35 | avu | I don't understand all this obsession with boot times. I boot my desktop once a day at most. |
| 17:51.56 | infinity_probabl | well... some machines, like laptops, have to be rebooted some times a day... |
| 17:51.57 | wols_ | infinity_probabl: I'm sure lots of people have |
| 17:52.02 | pickcoder | rarely boots Debian servers |
| 17:52.10 | avu | infinity_probabl, not really |
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| 17:52.29 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, in the rescue mode web there is not information about reinstalling grub |
| 17:52.30 | avu | infinity_probabl, for laptops, there is supsend to ram/disk. they never have to boot at all. |
| 17:52.52 | aurel42 | infinity_probabl: does "apt-cache show minit" help? |
| 17:52.59 | infinity_probabl | suspend to disk was not reliable on a macbook, unfortunately, and suspend to ram consumes some energy |
| 17:53.21 | tghy | Well night!!! |
| 17:53.22 | pickcoder | The only server I have to wait for has only to do with the Intel POST time which takes forever |
| 17:53.32 | infinity_probabl | hum, seems interesting! |
| 17:53.34 | pickcoder | the rest boot within 60 seconds |
| 17:53.36 | avu | on my ibook, a akku with ~2% can hold suspend to RAM for about a week |
| 17:53.55 | infinity_probabl | on a macbook, suspend to ram lasts about 10 hours |
| 17:53.56 | avu | so I really don't worry about the power used :) |
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| 17:54.03 | infinity_probabl | i see! ;-) |
| 17:54.05 | avu | well, macbooks clearly suck |
| 17:54.10 | tghy | wols_: Hi |
| 17:54.25 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: get into rescue mode first |
| 17:54.27 | infinity_probabl | thats why i'm getting a new laptop :-) |
| 17:54.31 | tghy | wols_: Im in weechat, how to look PM here? |
| 17:54.48 | wols_ | tghy: ask whoever makes weechat. or use a sane client like irssi |
| 17:55.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, then it asks me to mount a fs< so I have to choose the one where I want to re-install grub? |
| 17:55.23 | infinity_probabl | ok, thanks for the input. |
| 17:55.32 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: you mount your / |
| 17:55.39 | wols_ | and all other partitions if there are any |
| 17:55.47 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, ok, then? |
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| 17:56.39 | tghy | wols_: Nevermind |
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| 17:57.12 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: you lie |
| 17:57.26 | sysdef | how can i find the package that contains 'psof'? |
| 17:57.37 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: there is an exact description what to do. since you didn't read it you missed it. |
| 17:57.45 | wols_ | !tell sysdef about search |
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| 17:59.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ? |
| 17:59.57 | sysdef | wols_: *sigh* |
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| 18:01.06 | dsl_ | after an update special chars on my keyboard stopped working. specifically the AltGr ones. I have "error compiling keymap XKB, couldn't load keymap" in my Xorg log file... |
| 18:01.20 | dsl_ | options in xorg.conf look sane |
| 18:01.32 | dsl_ | anyone have an idea? |
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| 18:02.43 | fe | for configuring my mouse does it make a difference if i ctrl-alt-bkspace or restart? |
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| 18:03.06 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: read and _understand_ the factoid |
| 18:03.10 | aurel42 | fe: no, ctrl-alt-backspace is enough |
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| 18:03.26 | wols_ | fe: why would either be necessary? |
| 18:03.27 | sysdef | (retry) how can i find the package that contains 'psof' when apt-cache search, packages.debian.org, dpkg, ... fialed? |
| 18:03.34 | wols_ | oh, restart X |
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| 18:04.04 | pickcoder | sysdef: apt-file |
| 18:04.19 | wols_ | sysdef: if pdo doesn't find it, it's not in debian. provided you know how to use pdo |
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| 18:05.26 | abrotman | Pulpie: did you read what the bot told you? |
| 18:05.48 | sysdef | wols_: i'm sure used the command 'psof' in debian in the past ;> |
| 18:06.01 | sysdef | that i have* |
| 18:06.12 | wols_ | might be deprecated. and currently it is not in debian anywhere |
| 18:06.26 | aurel42 | sysdef: are you confusing it with lsof, perhaps? |
| 18:06.32 | pickcoder | was wondering the same |
| 18:06.33 | sysdef | aurel42: nope |
| 18:06.34 | aurel42 | sysdef: I don't remember psof. |
| 18:06.34 | pickcoder | never heard of psof |
| 18:06.41 | pickcoder | and it's not in etch |
| 18:06.46 | sysdef | hmm |
| 18:06.59 | pickcoder | maybe it's not a GNU util |
| 18:07.07 | aurel42 | what's it supposed to do? |
| 18:07.08 | abrotman | pidof ? |
| 18:07.16 | aurel42 | perhaps it was a local shell script. ;) |
| 18:07.21 | Pulpie | abrotman: yes |
| 18:07.24 | abrotman | sysdef: what did the command do? |
| 18:07.36 | wols_ | psof is in BSDI it seems |
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| 18:07.52 | wols_ | psof - PostScript output/banner filter for lpr |
| 18:08.07 | wols_ | considering we're out of the dark ages now and use cups... |
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| 18:08.21 | pickcoder | (not everyone...) |
| 18:08.23 | stew | i'm out of the dark ages now, and I don't use printers |
| 18:08.39 | pickcoder | ties stew to a Genicom 3840 |
| 18:08.41 | stew | actually that's not true, i had to add printing to an application last week |
| 18:08.47 | abrotman | !pal stew |
| 18:08.47 | pickcoder | runs pages of reports |
| 18:08.47 | dpkg | points at stew and laughs uproariously |
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| 18:08.57 | wols_ | only thing I print is pdf |
| 18:09.21 | pickcoder | prints to PDF |
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| 18:10.02 | stew | i'm working on a system for doing electronic submission of insurance forms, which is great, except after we fill out a pdf electronically, we still have to print it out to be signed then scan it back in, so no paper is actually being eliminated, its stoopid |
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| 18:10.41 | navaladi | Dear debian users, i have problem with " dd if=/dev/sr0 of=cd1.iso " The error is "dd: reading `/dev/sr0': Input/output error" |
| 18:10.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, thanks |
| 18:10.43 | abrotman | stew: except you get paid! |
| 18:10.52 | pickcoder | stew: EPS signatures |
| 18:11.03 | sysdef | cups pdf printer, ic |
| 18:11.06 | pickcoder | what do they know if it's a digital sig |
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| 18:11.14 | navaladi | i want to copy the VCD to hard disk, so please help, how i can make iso file out of my VCD? |
| 18:11.24 | sysdef | wols_: thanks |
| 18:11.51 | aurel42 | I recently had to print a letter on paper. I didn't find any templates in my OpenOffice installation so I used TeX. I felt SO retro. |
| 18:12.07 | stew | pickcoder: not allowed |
| 18:12.36 | karlpinc | navaladi : dvdbackup, maybe. |
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| 18:12.40 | null_ | Question: What is /scripts/local-premount and where is it? It keeps prompting at boot for /dev/hda2 or ENTER to bypass, making it unable to have unattended boots. |
| 18:13.12 | aurel42 | null_: sounds like part of the initrd stuff. |
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| 18:13.41 | aurel42 | null_: do you build your own kernels? |
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| 18:14.15 | null_ | aurel42: no |
| 18:14.17 | wols_ | null_: sound like a initrd problem |
| 18:14.41 | aurel42 | null_: hmmm. Did you setup software raid or encryption or something like that? |
| 18:14.54 | clearscreen | Hi there, I just install debian 4.0 etch, install xserver-xorg with apt, my problem is that every time I run dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg, it can't write to xorg.conf because "xserver-xorg/config/display/modes" is not set... can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 18:14.55 | sysdef | wols_: ... runs on a very old[stable] system i have to upgrade :/ |
| 18:14.57 | null_ | aurel42: yes, truecrypt |
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| 18:15.08 | pickcoder | stew: what they don't know.... |
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| 18:15.21 | clearscreen | just installed* |
| 18:15.22 | aurel42 | null: check /etc/crypttab, perhaps the encrypted device needs the "noearly" flag? |
| 18:15.47 | aurel42 | null_: not sure whether truecrypt uses the same mechanisms as the dm stuff I'm using. |
| 18:16.03 | stew | pickcoder: ...will be perpetrating insurance fraud |
| 18:16.07 | pickcoder | Honestly, though I never understood that. |
| 18:16.15 | navaladi | karlpinc : hi mine is not dvd, it is a VCD |
| 18:16.25 | pickcoder | what's the difference between a scanned signed paper and signing a piece of paper and merging it with an existing form |
| 18:16.29 | null_ | aurel42: aurel42 there is no /etc/crypttab |
| 18:16.37 | navaladi | karlpinc : so i get nothing by runing dvdbackup |
| 18:16.45 | aurel42 | null_: anyway, I bet you'll find the problem around TrueCrypt/initrd. Don't use TrueCrypt, so can't help there |
| 18:16.50 | pickcoder | unless the signature isn't from an employee |
| 18:16.55 | pickcoder | then it's a different problem |
| 18:17.22 | navaladi | karlpinc : i run this command, "dvdbackup -M -i/dev/sr0 -o/media/tmp/" |
| 18:17.37 | navaladi | karlpinc : nothing comes out |
| 18:17.59 | aurel42 | null_: if you need to mount the device manually anyway because you need to enter a password, you could try adding "noauto" to the options for the device in /etc/fstab. But make sure you understand what I'm proposing. ;) |
| 18:18.03 | clearscreen | Sorry for repeating myself, but I'm kind of desperate :( I just installed debian 4.0 etch, install xserver-xorg with apt, my problem is that every time I run dpkg-reconfigure on xserver-xorg, it can't write to xorg.conf because "xserver-xorg/config/display/modes" is not set... can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 18:18.08 | karlpinc | navaladi : -o needs a filename. If that does not work then I can't help. |
| 18:18.24 | JordiGH | How does cut work? I want to remove : from stdin. |
| 18:18.35 | null_ | aurel42: the /dev/hda2 that /scripts/local-premount does not exist. I'm using a kernel which uses the sda* naming configuration. |
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| 18:19.15 | karlpinc | navaladi : Sorry, I'm wrong. -o takes a directory. |
| 18:19.19 | aurel42 | null_: grep -r hda /etc/initramfs-tools/ |
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| 18:19.26 | clearscreen | Really.. not a single person? :( |
| 18:19.29 | navaladi | karlpinc : yes it is dir |
| 18:19.45 | aurel42 | null_: I think that's where the initrd contents come from. If so, fix it, then "update-initramfs -u" |
| 18:19.48 | stew | pickcoder: becuase then the person hasn't signed the document i need them to sign, and my putting their signature on the document that they might have never seen doesn't hold up in court |
| 18:19.54 | navaladi | karlpinc : you have any idea for dd command? |
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| 18:20.06 | navaladi | karlpinc : why it does not work? |
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| 18:20.15 | KULLEKULLE | erik? |
| 18:20.25 | null_ | aurel42: nothing useful there. and the /etc/initrammfs-tools/scripts/ directory has the directory structures but no files |
| 18:20.28 | karlpinc | navaladi : Dunno. dvd's won't dd because the hardware is designed not to. |
| 18:20.39 | karlpinc | navaladi : You pay extra for it. |
| 18:21.04 | navaladi | karlpinc : but mine is vcd |
| 18:21.07 | navaladi | karlpinc : ok |
| 18:21.07 | aurel42 | null: did you deinstall the package initramfs-tools? |
| 18:21.44 | aurel42 | null: if so, that might explain why the initrd-image can't be updated and some historic garbage might be left there? |
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| 18:22.06 | pickcoder | stew: true |
| 18:22.19 | null_ | aurel42: yes, it was uninstalled. I installed it now. |
| 18:22.41 | aurel42 | null_: either reinstall your kernel or "update-initramfs -u" |
| 18:22.44 | pickcoder | speaking of PDFs is there a tool similar to HTMLDOC that will allow me to generate dynamic PDF forms? |
| 18:23.07 | aurel42 | null_: with a little luck, the problem should be solved. |
| 18:23.15 | pickcoder | I need a way to allow vendors to enter data onto e-mailed PDFs and send back |
| 18:23.24 | pickcoder | the web interface was shunned for the most part |
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| 18:25.41 | clearscreen | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg complains about "xserver-xorg/config/display/modes" not being set.. anyone able to point me in the right direction? result is that xorg.conf cant/wont be written |
| 18:26.45 | aurel42 | clearscreen: never seen that message, perhaps something went wrong during installation, have you tried reinstalling? |
| 18:27.06 | stew | clearscreen: how did you install xorg? |
| 18:27.18 | clearscreen | It's a clean install, deselected "Desktop environment" and the moment I got into a shell, I did "apt-get install xserver-xorg" |
| 18:27.33 | stew | clearscreen: try again after "apt-get install xorg" |
| 18:27.53 | clearscreen | there we go :) |
| 18:28.04 | clearscreen | Thanks a lot |
| 18:28.10 | aurel42 | stew: Sherlock! |
| 18:29.03 | clearscreen | problem persists however, I'll attempt to install xorg before xserver-xorg |
| 18:29.44 | aurel42 | "Rebuild Status : 75% complete"... only a few more hours until I can feel SAFE again. |
| 18:30.47 | clearscreen | mmmmmm no that doesn't seem to work, I'll do a quick reinstall |
| 18:30.51 | clearscreen | only took me 5 minutes last time |
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| 18:31.29 | stew | aurel42: elementary my dear watson |
| 18:31.39 | aurel42 | :) |
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| 18:32.11 | JyZyXEL | how do i add more supported characters= |
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| 18:32.53 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: google "smart questions" |
| 18:33.35 | JyZyXEL | i just looked at the gucharmap thingy and saw i don't even have support for all the jap characters |
| 18:34.03 | JyZyXEL | there is a row of boxes with UTF16 code in them |
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| 18:35.28 | Ryushin | Does anyone here know how to use git? I'm just trying to check out a patch for tuxonice for 2.6.27-rc8. Git always seems to one to suck down the whole thing. |
| 18:35.38 | Ryushin | The whole kernel. |
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| 18:36.07 | JyZyXEL | guess its normal then.. |
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| 18:37.37 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: how many languages can you read, if I may ask? |
| 18:38.01 | JyZyXEL | oh i don't know |
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| 18:38.30 | JyZyXEL | they are all pretty much the same |
| 18:38.40 | JyZyXEL | well Ruby is pretty wtf |
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| 18:39.24 | maligor | try prolog, mhm |
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| 18:39.49 | maligor | if you've never used logic programming languages, I dare say you'll be more confused than with ruby |
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| 18:40.11 | JyZyXEL | how bout the esoteric ones |
| 18:40.26 | JyZyXEL | like Brainfuck |
| 18:40.35 | aurel42 | erm... I didn't ask about programming languages. |
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| 18:41.06 | JyZyXEL | hmm well looks like the empty spots are ment to be ampty |
| 18:41.13 | aurel42 | I was wondering about the point of being able to display japanese characters when I can't read them anyway. |
| 18:42.03 | eclearscren | ok well I'm back... completely fresh install of debian 4.0 etch, just after install I login, go SU, and do apt-get install xorg.. configuration opens and after I set all the options it says it wont write to xorg.conf because xserver-xorg/config/display/modes is not set :S |
| 18:42.28 | manb | is there a program which compresses files on the host when in copy them via ssh? |
| 18:43.08 | aurel42 | eclearscren: does lspci show your video card with the correct model name? |
| 18:43.48 | aurel42 | manb: scp -C |
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| 18:43.56 | eclearscren | VGA Compatible controller: Nvidia corporation unknown device 0611 (rev a2) |
| 18:44.33 | aurel42 | eclearscren: perhaps xorg doesn't know about your brand new 9800glx yet and doesn't know what to do? |
| 18:44.40 | eclearscren | But I should be able to CONFIGURE xserver-xorg even if it doesn't detect my graphics card, right? |
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| 18:45.08 | aurel42 | perhaps some "let me prepare the configuration for him" magic is simply borked. |
| 18:45.34 | manb | aurel42, can i influence the compress level? |
| 18:45.36 | eclearscren | I have an 8800GT |
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| 18:46.05 | aurel42 | manb: -o"CompressionLevel=9" |
| 18:46.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, is it possible to schedule a filesystem check on the next reboot? |
| 18:46.25 | aurel42 | manb: 1 = fast, low compression; 9 = slow, good compression, IIRC |
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| 18:46.53 | manb | aurel42, thanks |
| 18:46.56 | eclearscren | And when I install debian WITH the "Desktop environment" option, it works just fine.. it's just that I dont want ANY trace of gnome/kde/whatever else comes with that on my system |
| 18:47.02 | aurel42 | manb: more info: "man ssh_config" |
| 18:47.06 | eclearscren | I just want a completely clean install with xserver + fluxbox |
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| 18:49.01 | manb | aurel42, okay, i look into man scp |
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| 18:50.21 | JyZyXEL | omg seriosly its missing characters |
| 18:50.27 | JyZyXEL | how do i get more of them |
| 18:50.30 | manb | aurel42, hey, that's pretty cool. i can compress all ssh traffic. what's a good value for the compression? if to hight, it gets slower, becaouse of cpu usage, doesnt it? |
| 18:50.39 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: install more fonts |
| 18:50.47 | JyZyXEL | what do i apt-get? |
| 18:51.00 | aurel42 | manb: I've never used anything but the default. |
| 18:51.01 | JyZyXEL | i've never installed fonts |
| 18:51.09 | vadmeste | Hi. I realize that packages version will not updated because lenny is frozen now.. but when I can get higher version with automatic update ? |
| 18:51.10 | JyZyXEL | !fonts |
| 18:51.10 | dpkg | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 18:51.23 | JyZyXEL | !install font |
| 18:51.23 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
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| 18:52.03 | JyZyXEL | what the heck is that |
| 18:52.04 | manb | aurel42, why? because it doesnt bring much effect or because you need not? |
| 18:52.08 | JyZyXEL | from 1996 |
| 18:52.30 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: there's plenty of fonts packaged already, look for packages starting with tty- or xfonts- etc. |
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| 18:53.30 | JyZyXEL | aurel42 whats the fastest way to install them all at once? |
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| 18:53.36 | aurel42 | manb: I never bothered to test the performance, usually the default compression value is a choice of the developer who knows certainly more about the compression algorithm than me. ;) |
| 18:54.07 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: no idea, I don't think you want to waste that much disk space anyway. ;) |
| 18:54.23 | JyZyXEL | how big can it be |
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| 18:55.38 | aurel42 | anyway, I don't know of a meta package that depends on "all" fonts. |
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| 18:55.58 | JyZyXEL | installing alot of packages inside terminal is really hard |
| 18:56.00 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: 'aptitude install ttf-*' |
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| 18:56.12 | JyZyXEL | lol you can use wildcards? |
| 18:56.16 | aurel42 | sure |
| 18:56.22 | JyZyXEL | i thought it was like awk tiem |
| 18:56.23 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: That will get the TrueType fonts anyway |
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| 18:57.28 | MichaelScott | hey guys, how do i get portage working in debian? |
| 18:57.37 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: and as aurel42 noted there is also xfonts-*. |
| 18:58.04 | JyZyXEL | looks like its impossible to have them all |
| 18:58.13 | aurel42 | actually, aptitude|apt-get install ttf-* only works in theory. |
| 18:58.13 | JyZyXEL | xfonts-* isn't possible |
| 18:58.19 | JyZyXEL | confilcts or sumething |
| 18:58.45 | aurel42 | Yeah, because it also grabs "historic" or abandoned packages. |
| 18:58.53 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: You need to realize though that you are going to get EVERYTHING including chinese, japanes, korean, all the cyryllic (sp?) languages |
| 18:59.01 | aurel42 | And aptitude has a 40 file limit for wildcards. On lenny, at least. |
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| 18:59.14 | aurel42 | phorce1: that's what he wants. |
| 18:59.16 | JyZyXEL | phorce1 isn't that just a good thing |
| 18:59.19 | MichaelScott | does anyone have any experience getting yum or portage working in debian? |
| 18:59.25 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: It will use more space than you might think. Terabyte drive anyone? |
| 18:59.26 | JyZyXEL | its good to have them all |
| 18:59.30 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: no, wasted disk space, wasted resources, wasted performance. |
| 18:59.36 | JyZyXEL | how much space actually? |
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| 18:59.49 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: and unpractically long font select boxes in graphic applications. |
| 19:00.01 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 19:00.01 | aurel42 | It's just not what you want.<tm> |
| 19:00.15 | JyZyXEL | well i can't pick the ones i want either |
| 19:00.16 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: teh aptitude command will tell you when it stops and asks if you really want to continue (y/n) |
| 19:00.24 | JuRiJ | MichaelScott, why would you need portage in debian? :) if u want portage use Gentoo.... if u want something similar like portage in debian, use apt-build |
| 19:00.36 | JyZyXEL | lets try |
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| 19:01.00 | MichaelScott | JuRiJ: i want to use a real package manager... apt sucks |
| 19:01.08 | JyZyXEL | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "xfonts-*" |
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| 19:01.14 | JyZyXEL | i knew it |
| 19:01.15 | JuRiJ | MichaelScott, use aptitude |
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| 19:01.21 | JuRiJ | !dpkg aptitude |
| 19:01.21 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> ... |
| 19:01.23 | JyZyXEL | not so easy |
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| 19:01.28 | JyZyXEL | no wildcards |
| 19:02.10 | JyZyXEL | awk is the only way to go |
| 19:02.53 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: apt-get install xfonts-* -> 0 upgraded, 87 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. It works for me. |
| 19:03.01 | stew | JyZyXEL: aptitude install '~nxfonts' |
| 19:03.06 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't work for me |
| 19:03.26 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: I'm on lenny, not sure what happens on etch. |
| 19:03.29 | JyZyXEL | well i have no idea why that works |
| 19:03.31 | stew | JyZyXEL: what command didn't work for you? |
| 19:03.33 | JuRiJ | !dpkg why not aptitude |
| 19:03.33 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 19:03.36 | stew | JyZyXEL: why what works? |
| 19:03.40 | JyZyXEL | aptitude install '~nxfonts' |
| 19:03.53 | JuRiJ | !dpkg why aptitude |
| 19:03.54 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 19:04.00 | stew | JuRiJ: please /msg the bot |
| 19:04.08 | JyZyXEL | lol 341MB |
| 19:04.12 | stew | JyZyXEL: what error did you get whan you ran that command? |
| 19:04.31 | JuRiJ | stew y, sry I was doing that for MichaelScott ;) |
| 19:04.35 | JyZyXEL | the aptitude install xfonts-* didn't work |
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| 19:04.48 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, it shouldn't have |
| 19:04.50 | JuRiJ | stew, he wants to use "real" package manager :P |
| 19:04.58 | stew | JyZyXEL: he was telling you to use apt-get, not aptitude |
| 19:05.02 | JyZyXEL | yea theres no wildcard support in it |
| 19:05.11 | stew | JyZyXEL: yes there is |
| 19:05.23 | nyk2005 | How can I activate apache to actually execute php scripts? It just displays the source! I have the module and everything installed. |
| 19:05.25 | aurel42 | JyZyXEL: if you have more than one Desktop machine, use a font server (xfs, xfstt) to make the fonts available for all machines without having to install them everywhere. |
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| 19:05.42 | manb | if i changed crontab, do i have to run a special command? |
| 19:05.42 | JyZyXEL | well thats cool |
| 19:05.46 | stew | nyk2005: a2enmod php5 |
| 19:05.51 | stew | manb: no |
| 19:06.05 | aurel42 | manb: use crontab -e to edit the crontab, that's all |
| 19:06.17 | JyZyXEL | aurel42 350MB isn't that much nowdays when everyone has like 5TB |
| 19:06.20 | aurel42 | nyk2005: apache2? |
| 19:06.25 | nyk2005 | stew: cool!!! trying it |
| 19:06.28 | nyk2005 | aurel42: yes |
| 19:06.37 | manb | aurel42, if i did with vim /etc/crontab ? |
| 19:06.46 | nyk2005 | stew: it says: "Module php5 already enabled" |
| 19:07.01 | aurel42 | manb: ah, different mechanism. No, you don't need to do anything, cron will pick the change up after a minute or so. |
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| 19:08.17 | manb | aurel42, stew thanks |
| 19:09.00 | aurel42 | manb: I *think* it should even show up in /var/log/syslog when cron re-reads the file. Too lazy to test it now. Tell me. |
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| 19:10.45 | manb | aurel42, yeah, it does |
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| 19:11.20 | aurel42 | nyk2005: iirc, the configuration magic is in modules-*/php5.conf and is enabled magically for the default and all other virtual hosts. Unless you have interfered... it should work. ;) |
| 19:11.33 | aurel42 | manb: thanks :) |
| 19:11.56 | manb | thinks that he sould thanks aurel42 :) |
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| 19:14.45 | nyk2005 | aurel42: yes, I checked the modules-enabled directory and it's symlinked there. |
| 19:15.19 | nyk2005 | aurel42: it should work, but it doesn't. I had this issue now on about 10 debian installs.. :) |
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| 19:16.18 | aurel42 | nyk2005: I've seen it, too. :) Did you stop/start apache yet to make sure the php module is loaded? |
| 19:16.47 | aurel42 | nyk2005: anything in /var/log/apache2/error.log? |
| 19:16.48 | limpio | anybody knows if debian is compatible with an Intel mini-itx with an atom processor? |
| 19:17.06 | wols_ | limpio: it is |
| 19:17.33 | ribasushi_ | limpio: any somewhat recent linux is |
| 19:18.12 | lem0n | hmm, htop displays: "Uptime: 101 days(!), 09:35:49" .... wtf is the (!)?? |
| 19:18.23 | lem0n | the uptime command of course doesnt return the (!). |
| 19:18.28 | ribasushi_ | lem0n: it's excited :) |
| 19:18.32 | aurel42 | lem0n: I figured it's just telling us how proud it is. |
| 19:18.35 | lem0n | oh yay :D |
| 19:18.43 | lem0n | i was hoping it was something like that, lol. |
| 19:18.46 | aurel42 | lem0n: I actually wondered about that, too. |
| 19:18.51 | lem0n | and not ... bad or something. |
| 19:18.59 | lem0n | ah could probably look at the code.. |
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| 19:19.29 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: my aptitude commands were wrong because aptitude is more flexible with regex. 'aptitude install ~n[xfonts,ttf]-.*' should get them all. I tried it but I have some upgrades to do on this lenny system and there were unresolveable conflicts created. Doing ~nttf-* and ~nxfonts-* individually showed them all taking about a gig total (but that may have been with aptitude including download of the upgrades I need to install) |
| 19:20.12 | limpio | wols_: thank you |
| 19:20.21 | limpio | ribasushi: thank you |
| 19:20.38 | manb | how do i start a process in a terminal so that i can close the terminal but the command is still be executed? so that it is not bound to the parent appl. |
| 19:20.44 | nyk2005 | aurel42: yes... I restarted it. and the module seems to be loaded, at least it reports in the log. but somehow it doesn't know hpw tp handle php |
| 19:20.50 | manb | its a small command, but i forgot :( |
| 19:20.56 | phorce1 | manb: use screen |
| 19:21.04 | lem0n | manb: append an &, or use screen |
| 19:21.10 | wols_ | manb: nohup |
| 19:21.20 | manb | lem0n, appending a & wouldn't do |
| 19:21.23 | wols_ | lem0n: & won't do |
| 19:21.27 | lem0n | why not? |
| 19:21.30 | manb | phobie, screen would be an overkill |
| 19:21.31 | lem0n | and a >/dev/null of course. |
| 19:21.38 | wols_ | manb: I told you |
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| 19:21.40 | manb | wols_, nohup is what i meant :) thanks |
| 19:21.51 | wols_ | lem0n: believe us, & doesn't work |
| 19:21.55 | nyk2005 | aurel42: error log says "apache/2.2.9 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-4 with Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operations" nothing else |
| 19:22.02 | phorce1 | lem0n: that just backgrounds the application inside the parent term -- the app still dies when the parent term does |
| 19:22.09 | lem0n | oh heh |
| 19:22.11 | lem0n | did not know |
| 19:22.22 | manb | lem0n, ^^ |
| 19:22.33 | wols_ | nyk2005: grep -r -i mime * in /etc/apache2/ |
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| 19:23.55 | manb | is it nohup sudo cmd or sudo nohup cmd? does it make a difference? |
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| 19:24.06 | phorce1 | wishes there were a "resume" feature in screen like IW(FF) has to restart after I seriously screw something up and have to kill everything or physically reboot |
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| 19:24.56 | nyk2005 | wols_: all hits for mime come from /etc/apache2/mods-available/mime.conf |
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| 19:28.12 | wols_ | nyk2005: and mods-emabled? |
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| 19:28.38 | wols_ | nyk2005: also grep -r -i php * |
| 19:29.03 | wols_ | nyk2005: uninstall your apache completele. purge it all |
| 19:29.05 | Multiply_ | How do I run a bash-script, from a url? |
| 19:29.12 | justin | grep -r -i php . |
| 19:29.19 | justin | don't use * with -r |
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| 19:29.32 | wols_ | nyk2005: especially apache2,2-common |
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| 19:29.58 | wols_ | then delete your /etc/apache2 when there is still something in and reinstall. somehow you screwed up your apchae2 config |
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| 19:30.44 | aurel42 | I concur. :D |
| 19:30.49 | nyk2005 | wols_: yes |
| 19:31.28 | aurel42 | Multiply_: You don't want that. If you really wanted (but you don't), you could change it to be able to run as a cgi script. |
| 19:31.33 | nyk2005 | wols_: I added "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/mime.conf |
| 19:31.37 | aurel42 | Multiply_: But you don't wnat that. |
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| 19:31.58 | Multiply_ | aurel42, I actually do want to run a bash-script, from my website. |
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| 19:32.19 | prolix | ? |
| 19:32.27 | aurel42 | Multiply_: two methods, one: use PHP as a wrapper (passthrough()), |
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| 19:32.56 | aurel42 | Multiply_: or put it (on a default debian install) in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and make sure it returns a Mime-type on the first line. |
| 19:33.05 | Multiply_ | aurel42, I just want to type into the console, like.. http://domain.com/bashscript |
| 19:33.28 | Multiply_ | If that's even possible |
| 19:33.36 | aurel42 | You want a shell? |
| 19:33.42 | nyk2005 | wols_: ok... maybe the problem is that I always install apache as a dependency. I just type apt-get install phpsysinfo and then it fails to set up php as dependency |
| 19:33.44 | Multiply_ | I've got shell access. |
| 19:33.56 | miksuh | that could be bug security hole, so be wery careful |
| 19:33.57 | Multiply_ | I just need to pass a script from a url, to the shell, if that's possible |
| 19:34.03 | miksuh | bug=big |
| 19:34.08 | Multiply_ | miksuh, I know |
| 19:34.21 | aurel42 | Multiply_: if you have PHP, it's trivial. |
| 19:34.24 | Multiply_ | I'm the only one who can access it, and I'm the only one, who can edit the bash script |
| 19:34.41 | aurel42 | Multiply_: look at exec(), passthru(), system() etc. |
| 19:35.05 | Multiply_ | aurel42, I think you got me wrong. |
| 19:35.14 | aurel42 | Probably. |
| 19:35.19 | Multiply_ | I don't want to type anything in my browser. |
| 19:35.39 | Multiply_ | In the shell, I just want to load the bash-script, located on a website. |
| 19:35.47 | Multiply_ | like using wget, and then run it |
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| 19:35.55 | buu | Multiply_: So, uh, use wget |
| 19:35.57 | buu | And run it |
| 19:36.11 | Multiply_ | I didn't figure out how, yet. Lol |
| 19:36.15 | wols_ | Multiply_: write a script that does this. in any scripting language |
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| 19:36.27 | buu | wget http://foo.com/myexploit; bash myexploit |
| 19:36.38 | Multiply_ | It's not really an exploit o.o |
| 19:36.42 | buu | mmmmhmmm |
| 19:37.08 | Multiply_ | It's for when I get my new dedicated servers up, I'd like to just type one line, and it installs everything |
| 19:37.18 | Multiply_ | Like apache2, php, download the needed website files. |
| 19:37.31 | Multiply_ | Adding it to the server list (Stored in MySQL) |
| 19:37.38 | nyk2005 | wols_: trying to purge it now... |
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| 19:38.00 | wols_ | nyk2005: after you purged, pastebin the output of dpkg -l |grep apache |
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| 19:39.52 | nyk2005 | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/1218319 |
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| 19:40.31 | aurel42 | looks good |
| 19:41.00 | wols_ | nyk2005: it doesn't: < wols_> nyk2005: after you purged, |
| 19:41.04 | wols_ | you haven't purged anything |
| 19:41.26 | aurel42 | Oh, I thought he had already reinstalled. *blush* |
| 19:41.36 | nyk2005 | I purged it... "apt-get purge apache2" |
| 19:41.44 | wols_ | you did not |
| 19:41.48 | nyk2005 | I mean "aptitude purge apache2" |
| 19:41.53 | wols_ | all of apache I said. thoes are all apache packages. |
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| 19:42.09 | wols_ | nyk2005: read up what I wrote |
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| 19:44.23 | nyk2005 | wols_: ok, you mean all packages |
| 19:45.45 | seed__ | hi, I am trying to compile a C++ application, I get an error ::strdup is not declared, It seems that on debian the string include does not include the cstring functions is there a way to get arround that? |
| 19:45.54 | nyk2005 | wols_: ok, I saw it now... purge all packages, then the directories |
| 19:46.20 | wols_ | seed__: ##c++ |
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| 19:47.24 | nyk2005 | wols_: then just install it by "aptitude install apache2" |
| 19:47.27 | nyk2005 | ? |
| 19:47.40 | wols_ | nyk2005: and libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 19:47.50 | wols_ | nyk2005: again ls /etc/apache2 |
| 19:48.13 | nyk2005 | cool |
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| 19:48.50 | nyk2005 | wols_: now "dpkg -l |grep apache" show nothing |
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| 19:48.57 | wols_ | nyk2005: again ls /etc/apache2 |
| 19:49.18 | nyk2005 | wols_: /etc/apache* is gone |
| 19:49.32 | nyk2005 | so I reinstall |
| 19:52.04 | Fiskah | I want to set up a VPN server on my debian box. Where should I start reading about it? |
| 19:52.27 | beardy | Fiskah: OpenVPN |
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| 19:55.16 | Fiskah | beardy: It seems that OpenVPN can do a lot. I want to do a simple configuration with a server that I can connect to remotely to get a secure connection from e.g. a public location. You got any configuration example or something? :) |
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| 19:56.47 | nyk2005 | wols_: installing again worked, but when trying to install phpsysinfo, it again wants to pull in php5. why? |
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| 19:58.00 | wols_ | nyk2005: php5 is a meta package. php also does scripts on the commandline, not just on webservers for example |
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| 19:58.26 | wols_ | nyk2005: but it is a bug, you installing phpsysinfo and it not working |
| 19:58.29 | nyk2005 | wols_: yep... well I installed it all again and it's not working as before. |
| 19:58.42 | wols_ | nyk2005: where is phpsysinfo from? |
| 19:58.53 | trifler | proc? |
| 19:59.01 | wols_ | nyk2005: apt-cache policy phpsysinfo |
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| 20:00.51 | trifler | What kind of hardware in general do you need to be able to play 720p and or 1080p material? |
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| 20:01.08 | nyk2005 | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/1218340 |
| 20:01.38 | nyk2005 | wols_: yes, maybe a bug, but somehow it should be possible to fix it in some config file.. |
| 20:01.54 | justin | trifler: in general? fast |
| 20:02.06 | trifler | justin: hmm okey minimum then |
| 20:02.10 | merlo | hello! can you confirm to me that ubiquity firefox plugin doesn't work for iceweasel? |
| 20:02.38 | wols_ | trifler: more than 3ghz dualcore IIRC (not hardware accel via GPU on linux) |
| 20:02.54 | justin | i dont think you need 3ghz for 720P... |
| 20:03.06 | wols_ | justin: he asked for 1080p too |
| 20:03.11 | seed__ | what is the package to get the manual pages of libc functions please? |
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| 20:03.20 | stew | seed__: manpages-dev |
| 20:03.21 | wols_ | seed__: manpages-dev |
| 20:03.30 | seed__ | thanks :) |
| 20:03.31 | justin | wols_: 'and or' |
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| 20:03.42 | wols_ | justin: yes. so he asked for it |
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| 20:10.27 | wols_ | !tell nyk2005 about equivs |
| 20:10.40 | wols_ | nyk2005: create a php5 equivs package and install it before phpsysinfo |
| 20:10.48 | wols_ | and after you installed apache and the php5 mod |
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| 20:10.57 | justin | isn't there an easier way than equivs lately? |
| 20:10.59 | wols_ | nyk2005: then report the bug to debian BTS |
| 20:11.08 | wols_ | justin: for what? |
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| 20:11.18 | justin | for doing what equivs does, just easier |
| 20:12.47 | nyk2005 | wols_: ok, thanks! I try now again! |
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| 20:21.03 | phorce1 | hmph. Anyone, command line player (like mpg123) that does .ogg files? |
| 20:21.23 | jm__ | phobie, ogg123 |
| 20:21.31 | jm__ | phobie, vorbis-tools i think |
| 20:22.55 | phorce1 | Lagbolt: thanks -- I was searching through apt-cache and nothing popped out |
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| 20:25.32 | phorce1 | needs to test some sounds as I replace the "stock" sounds in neverputt <grin> |
| 20:25.49 | Fiskah | How do I find out what apps are listening to which ports? |
| 20:25.58 | alexhq | got org.freedesktop.Dbus.Error.AccessDenied on KDE4 dolphin in attempt to mount usbflash. Any ideas? |
| 20:26.34 | phorce1 | Fiskah: netstat? |
| 20:26.36 | nyk2005 | wols_: thanks for all that, I will try it later, but I think it will work, because the pulling in of php5 with phpsysinfo really looks like the cause. |
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| 20:27.10 | simonrvn | alexhq: #debian-kde (maybe on oftc; irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:27.15 | Fiskah | phorce1: It doesn't give me the name of the process as far as I can see |
| 20:27.16 | Ma1ltime | does anyone have any experience getting yum working in debian? |
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| 20:28.12 | phorce1 | Fiskah: -pl |
| 20:28.24 | Fiskah | ah. thanks :) |
| 20:28.32 | simonrvn | Ma1ltime: WTF would anyone want to? |
| 20:28.37 | idimmu | Ma1ltime: why would you w ant to do that? |
| 20:28.50 | idimmu | if you want to install an rpm use alien |
| 20:28.54 | Lagbolt | anyone know why most of the time on an s2disk the screen flickers like crazy while writing the image? is there a vid setting or res setting that can be tweaked? |
| 20:28.59 | idimmu | or repackage it |
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| 20:29.11 | phorce1 | Fiskah: and maybe other options to limit that output. If you just use -pl I suggets piping top 'less' |
| 20:29.15 | Ma1ltime | because i want to use a "real" package manager |
| 20:29.25 | Fiskah | yeah... thanks :) |
| 20:29.28 | Ma1ltime | so how do i install yum or portage |
| 20:29.35 | simonrvn | Ma1ltime: go away, mr. troll. |
| 20:29.36 | phorce1 | s/top/to |
| 20:29.38 | idimmu | Ma1ltime: go troll someone else |
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| 20:29.44 | Ma1ltime | muhahahaha |
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| 20:29.54 | Fiskah | ok now I see that openvpn is listening to port something... But it doesn't talk very well to my mac :| |
| 20:29.56 | idimmu | dick |
| 20:30.02 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 20:30.06 | Fiskah | osx says that the connection was refused.... any clues? |
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| 20:30.26 | simonrvn | i smelled him from a mile away. was giving him the benefit of the doubt |
| 20:30.38 | idimmu | yeah |
| 20:31.04 | simonrvn | asking about yum, here. gotta be a troll. |
| 20:31.19 | idimmu | gotta wonder how little the guy values his own time |
| 20:31.43 | simonrvn | for sure |
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| 20:35.33 | obmij | How do I update a specific package? |
| 20:36.09 | justin | obmij: same way you install a specific package |
| 20:36.09 | adama | obmij: apt-get install package will update it |
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| 20:41.56 | obmij | um |
| 20:42.03 | obmij | iceweasel 3.0.1 is actually Firefox 3.0.1? |
| 20:42.09 | adama | yes |
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| 20:42.19 | obmij | so it's not the alpha release? |
| 20:42.30 | adama | !tell obmij about iceweasel |
| 20:42.49 | obmij | because it takes me to the gran paradiso alpha release page |
| 20:43.02 | adama | don't know about that |
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| 20:43.07 | karlpinc | FYI, I blew out the case (again) and replaced the ide cable, just in case. I didn't see anything to fiddle with in the bios. We'll see if it happens again. |
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| 20:44.34 | troubled | simonrvn: chaiyya chaiyya! |
| 20:44.44 | troubled | grooves in his chair |
| 20:44.47 | simonrvn | hi |
| 20:44.49 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:44.51 | troubled | heyas :) |
| 20:44.53 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i have a file with an unprintable char in the name and bash is playing up ( it cant glob files in the dir anymore ) - any ideas how i can remove this file? |
| 20:45.20 | adama | Super_Cat_Frog: use a * ? |
| 20:45.32 | mmlj4 | Super_Cat_Frog: rename the file first |
| 20:45.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | adama: globbing means * |
| 20:45.49 | Super_Cat_Frog | mmlj4: i cant reference the file as i dont know the filename ( its got an unprintable char ) |
| 20:45.57 | justin | Super_Cat_Frog: use rm ./... and tab completion |
| 20:46.01 | troubled | Super_Cat_Frog: escape the char and hit tab to help? which char and whats the filename? |
| 20:46.14 | Super_Cat_Frog | troubled: its ?.flv |
| 20:46.14 | mmlj4 | Super_Cat_Frog: lead the filename with './' |
| 20:46.22 | karlpinc | Super_Cat_Frog : Use find with -print0? |
| 20:46.28 | obmij | so let me see here, you *can't* use Firefox on Debian? |
| 20:46.28 | troubled | Super_Cat_Frog: try: rm \?<tab> |
| 20:46.29 | justin | Super_Cat_Frog: then rm ./?.flv |
| 20:46.47 | obmij | I'm talking about Firefox + its logos and whatnot |
| 20:46.51 | karlpinc | obmij : You can install anything you want, but debian does not support it. |
| 20:46.54 | troubled | although justin's ./ prefix is probably a good idea too :) <tab> should complete if all is okay |
| 20:46.57 | obmij | ah |
| 20:46.58 | Super_Cat_Frog | justin: its not a ?, its a unprintable char, represented by a ? in a coloured box |
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| 20:47.02 | obmij | so I'm on my own |
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| 20:47.10 | obmij | if stuff doesn't work |
| 20:47.15 | adama | just use iceweasel, it's exactly the same |
| 20:47.17 | obmij | fair enough |
| 20:47.18 | justin | Super_Cat_Frog: I didn't say that it WAS a ?, I told you to run rm ./?.flv |
| 20:47.22 | obmij | yeah I am using iceweasel |
| 20:47.30 | obmij | I was just wondering about the whole ordeal |
| 20:47.33 | troubled | Super_Cat_Frog: midnight commander (mc) or just: rm -i *.flv, until you get to that file |
| 20:47.38 | obmij | since iceweasel seems to be a little bit slow on the updates |
| 20:47.38 | karlpinc | obmij : You might get help here, but iceweasel is the same. |
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| 20:47.42 | obmij | Firefox is at 3.0.3 right now |
| 20:47.44 | obmij | or something |
| 20:47.49 | justin | troubled: you would potentially need to do rm -i -- *.flv |
| 20:47.51 | Sling | the beta yea |
| 20:47.52 | karlpinc | obmij : Execpt iceweasel gets security updates. |
| 20:47.54 | Super_Cat_Frog | troubled: its a remote server, with no X, and bash wont glob |
| 20:47.56 | justin | ./ and -- both work though |
| 20:48.07 | justin | Super_Cat_Frog: did you run the command I told you to run? Y/N ? |
| 20:48.10 | troubled | justin: I think it should be okay with *.flv |
| 20:48.19 | Super_Cat_Frog | ive just been told that it can glob the directory |
| 20:48.29 | Super_Cat_Frog | i'm going to go and beat the person responsible for making me appear foolish |
| 20:48.43 | adama | use rm -i, it will ask for confirmation |
| 20:48.45 | Super_Cat_Frog | thanks all for your help, anyway |
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| 20:48.56 | justin | the only case when you can't glob the files is when the file starts with a '-' |
| 20:49.03 | Super_Cat_Frog | although rm -i is a cunning plan |
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| 20:49.16 | justin | and in that case it technicall CAN glob the files, it just gets confused and things the filename is an option |
| 20:49.22 | obmij | how do I update my package tree? |
| 20:49.24 | justin | I dont know of any case when you can truly not glob files anymore |
| 20:49.27 | obmij | was it update or upgrade? |
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| 20:49.42 | troubled | justin: usually only when its a troll asking ;) |
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| 20:49.52 | obmij | methinks it was update :P |
| 20:50.24 | justin | troubled: heh |
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| 20:50.35 | justin | troubled: usually people with that problem don't understand globbing or don't use tab completion |
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| 20:50.53 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 20:51.15 | obmij | one thing is, my installation is working perfectly. I'm running everything I want. But I wanna customize it to death. I see some really cool xfce or blackbox setups online |
| 20:51.26 | obmij | like snapshots |
| 20:51.29 | obmij | and they look so cool |
| 20:51.42 | obmij | where should I start? |
| 20:51.56 | obmij | I'm tired of using either KDE or GNOME |
| 20:52.09 | troubled | obmij: command line it is then! |
| 20:52.15 | troubled | welcome to the club ;) |
| 20:52.22 | obmij | well I'm happy with the command line |
| 20:52.33 | troubled | only thing ive used in the last few years really |
| 20:52.34 | obmij | I'm pretty comfortable with the command line |
| 20:52.43 | troubled | I dont even know what kde/gnome look like these days heh |
| 20:52.45 | maligor | blackbox and xfce are boring |
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| 20:53.14 | ^DeathKiNG^ | rg |
| 20:53.56 | obmij | I just want to know where to look for custom setups for xfce or blackbox or other almost-template-like window managers |
| 20:54.02 | adama | Windows RG? |
| 20:54.24 | troubled | obmij: RTFM usually gets tossed around sooner or later ;) |
| 20:54.25 | obmij | or at least learn how to customize things like that |
| 20:54.35 | simonrvn | windows ARGH~short for |
| 20:54.37 | obmij | pointing me to the man page would be helpful :D |
| 20:54.48 | simonrvn | bah |
| 20:55.03 | troubled | obmij: docs for apps in debian go to: /usr/share/doc/<pkgname exact spelling> |
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| 20:55.25 | adama | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg |
| 20:55.25 | troubled | obmij: although, `apropos <keyword>` can be handy as well |
| 20:55.43 | obmij | umm yeah just need a starting point though |
| 20:55.54 | obmij | for specifically customzing blackbox or xfce |
| 20:56.00 | maligor | OBcecado, there seems to be xfce-look.org and box-look.org |
| 20:56.04 | maligor | agh |
| 20:56.05 | obmij | or making a kick ass window manager |
| 20:56.13 | maligor | obmij, that was meant for you |
| 20:56.22 | obmij | kay |
| 20:56.37 | troubled | obmij: if you cant find the docs for your current WM or configure it the way you like, chances are that making your own WM is way beyond your skill level ;) |
| 20:56.52 | obmij | heh I don't think I will need to |
| 20:57.05 | obmij | I've seen some amazing snapshots that had xfce or something underneath |
| 20:57.10 | obmij | or blackbox |
| 20:57.16 | troubled | !whichvm |
| 20:57.16 | obmij | don't think they were written from scratch |
| 20:57.26 | troubled | kicks dpkg |
| 20:57.35 | maligor | you mean writing your own wm based on box? |
| 20:57.37 | troubled | !whichwm |
| 20:57.37 | dpkg | If your looking to decide which window manager you would like to use, stop by http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ |
| 20:57.47 | troubled | kicks his keyboard and apologizes to dpkg :) |
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| 20:57.53 | maligor | twm! |
| 20:57.59 | obmij | lol tab window manager |
| 20:58.02 | obmij | I have it on the BSD box |
| 20:58.11 | troubled | thats a fairly old url, but it does have links to the homepages of the ones there iirc |
| 20:58.24 | maligor | or CDE! Buy form your local unix dealer |
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| 20:59.00 | maligor | obmij, you might want to look at openbox too |
| 20:59.10 | obmij | okay |
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| 21:01.11 | obmij | any one of you managed to get GNOME looking all slick? |
| 21:01.25 | obmij | I went to gnome art or whereever it was... I didn't find that much eye candy |
| 21:01.30 | obmij | art.gnome.org or something |
| 21:01.36 | simonrvn | #define SLICK |
| 21:01.42 | troubled | grins @ simonrvn |
| 21:01.53 | simonrvn | afk |
| 21:01.59 | obmij | slick = aesthetically pleasing |
| 21:02.26 | troubled | obmij: so you want a nice theme for anything but kde or gnome? |
| 21:02.50 | troubled | either way, you need to go find yourself a window manager that has theme support of some sort |
| 21:02.52 | obmij | if I could get a nice theme for those (especially gnome) that would be great too :P |
| 21:02.57 | obmij | do you have a link? :P |
| 21:03.04 | troubled | go google for gnome themes |
| 21:03.11 | troubled | theres lots of sites with themes |
| 21:03.25 | maligor | gnome-look.org |
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| 21:03.35 | maligor | also kde-look.org |
| 21:03.38 | maligor | and a bunch of others |
| 21:03.51 | troubled | obmij: http://themes.freshmeat.net/ perhaps? |
| 21:04.24 | troubled | obmij: some nice gtk2 themes over there :) |
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| 21:04.51 | maligor | you can also find a bunch of them in debian gtk2-engines* |
| 21:05.06 | obmij | GTK2 engines... now that's something I hadn't heard of before |
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| 21:05.57 | maligor | oh, looks like murrine finally got in debian |
| 21:06.11 | troubled | obmij: gnome = gtk (gnome tool kit iirc) |
| 21:06.36 | obmij | yeah I know GTK |
| 21:06.42 | obmij | but I didn't know we had engines for it |
| 21:06.46 | MichaelScott | hey guys, someone told me that a new version of debian is being released... its called gentoo and is available at www.gentoo.org |
| 21:06.53 | obmij | or rather how the term engine fits in there |
| 21:06.58 | troubled | runs for the ban hammer |
| 21:07.12 | troubled | MichaelScott: blasphemy!! |
| 21:07.14 | maligor | MichaelScott, go quick before they run out |
| 21:07.15 | obmij | lol |
| 21:07.17 | obmij | gentoo? |
| 21:07.22 | prolix | MichaelScott: that's true and with all new releases, it's buggy, slow and needing massive amounts of development |
| 21:07.22 | obmij | what a pain in the back |
| 21:07.41 | maligor | yeah, I prefer to compile my own programs, not other people's |
| 21:07.46 | simonrvn | !ops MichaelScott trolling |
| 21:07.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: MichaelScott trolling |
| 21:07.59 | pickcoder | fun |
| 21:08.03 | troubled | simonrvn: aha! the proxy ban hammer, close enough ;) |
| 21:08.03 | obmij | lol |
| 21:08.06 | MichaelScott | !ops simonrvn trolling |
| 21:08.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: michaelscott complains about: simonrvn trolling |
| 21:08.09 | stew | MichaelScott: stop |
| 21:08.25 | troubled | MichaelScott: hey, i advise you to cease & decist |
| 21:08.26 | obmij | lol cornered |
| 21:08.26 | stew | MichaelScott: do you actually have anything on-topic? if so, i'd suggest getting there quickly |
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| 21:08.38 | obmij | ouch! |
| 21:08.42 | simonrvn | same dude as earlier |
| 21:08.44 | troubled | lets stew do his thing |
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| 21:08.50 | obmij | hehe |
| 21:08.56 | stew | ok, lets move on... |
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| 21:09.07 | simonrvn | Ma1ltime n=MichaelS@h-67-100-23-44.cmbrmaor.covad.net has joined #debian MichaelScott n=MichaelS@h-67-100-23-44.cmbrmaor.covad.net |
| 21:09.18 | stew | simonrvn: i added a hilight |
| 21:09.20 | obmij | I use to have Gentoo, but, at one point I decided that I had to regain control over my life |
| 21:09.27 | troubled | obmij: try the freshmeat themes url though (its just an alaias for themes.org iirc), they got some nice stuff up there for lots of different wm's |
| 21:09.30 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 21:09.51 | maligor | troubled, meh.. look.org is better :P |
| 21:10.09 | troubled | either or :) |
| 21:10.22 | troubled | hmmm wow, just got an ipsec port hit on the firewall. theres a first |
| 21:11.09 | maligor | tries to hide his ipsec tool under the padding on his chair |
| 21:12.00 | troubled | grins |
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| 21:13.55 | simonrvn | and animated turtles ;p |
| 21:13.59 | anomaly | oddly enough, alsaconf finds the card..xmms accepts Alsa's plugin and is playing.. but no sound. alsamixergui is turned all the way up.. yet no sound? anyone have any ideas? |
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| 21:14.11 | Lukas___ | Hi, I just install Debian server, config my wireless card (Atheros), but when write ifconfig ath0 up, to start the card the system freezes until remove the card, any idea please |
| 21:14.16 | beardy | Fiskah: I'm quite sure the /usr/share/doc/openvpn-server (I dont' recall if the package is named like that) contains examples. |
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| 21:14.53 | pickcoder | wonders if there should be a #debian-wireless |
| 21:15.20 | beardy | Fiskah: It does have many possibilities, but a setup like that, should not need too much fiddling to accomplish. The trickiest is making and managing keys. |
| 21:15.29 | troubled | simonrvn: :) |
| 21:15.56 | Fiskah | beardy: Ahh okay... I already made the entire setup work with keys etc |
| 21:16.04 | beardy | Fiskah: Nice. |
| 21:16.14 | Fiskah | Got the connection working aswell but my mac doesn't seem to like to send the traffic through the VPN |
| 21:16.40 | Fiskah | OSX doesn't support OpenVPN natively so I have to use Viscosity to connect |
| 21:17.01 | beardy | Fiskah: It needs to route through the vpn interface, either by telling it manually, or to have openvpn push the route out upon connect. |
| 21:17.04 | Fiskah | Problem is that Viscosity doesn't have an option called "Send all traffic through VPN" like the native VPN management has |
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| 21:19.39 | beardy | Fiskah: I'm sure it has a 'route' command, or a gui way of managing routes. Ask in #osx or something if it's hard to find. |
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| 21:22.21 | Fiskah | beardy: I think http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/howto.html#redirect might solve it |
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| 21:24.52 | obmij | what was the package name for openoffice? |
| 21:25.03 | beardy | Fiskah: Yep. That's what I meant with "to have openvpn push the route out". |
| 21:25.06 | pickcoder | openoffice.org |
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| 21:25.40 | beardy | Fiskah: Yep. That's what I meant with "to have openvpn push the route out". |
| 21:25.48 | Fiskah | Ah |
| 21:25.50 | Fiskah | I tried it |
| 21:26.01 | beardy | Fiskah: As long as your client accepts it, that'd work nicely. |
| 21:26.14 | Fiskah | And as soon as I open the VPN connection my internet connection is closed :] |
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| 21:26.21 | Fiskah | But it definately had an effect |
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| 21:26.53 | Fiskah | Might wanna try it from my laptop instead so I can remain connected while playing with it ;) |
| 21:27.03 | beardy | Fiskah: Ah. But, were the traffic sent over the vpn after that? |
| 21:27.06 | beardy | Fiskah: Yeah :) |
| 21:27.45 | Fiskah | Yeah I guess the traffic went over the VPN but just didn't get further than that |
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| 21:27.56 | pickcoder | make sure you do NAT for the VPN network on the other side |
| 21:27.59 | Samuel-NotAFK | Where can I download rt2860-source.deb ? |
| 21:28.26 | beardy | What pickcoder said.. |
| 21:28.32 | pickcoder | is there a reason why you want to force all of the traffic through the VPN? |
| 21:29.03 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: Search on the web? |
| 21:29.10 | Fiskah | pickcoder: Its for when im on an unsecure location with my laptop |
| 21:29.14 | Samuel-NotAFK | beardy: I tried. |
| 21:29.25 | Fiskah | and also sometimes there's some closed ports etc that I will like to bypass |
| 21:29.26 | pickcoder | Fiskah: and web surfing is no insecure? |
| 21:29.30 | Samuel-NotAFK | beardy: No results found for "rt2860-source.deb". |
| 21:29.39 | Fiskah | pickcoder: it doesn't have to web surfing |
| 21:29.47 | Fiskah | can be everything :) |
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| 21:30.09 | pickcoder | it's your bandwdith.... |
| 21:30.15 | Fiskah | ive got plenty :) |
| 21:30.28 | pickcoder | OpenVPN should have a 10.8 network configured on the remote |
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| 21:31.48 | Fiskah | Hmm actually im not sure if I have that covered |
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| 21:33.00 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: Improve your searching :) "rt2860 source deb", "eeepc.debian.net repository" http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/901#head-a2bfa77732aa893bef4dea0bb5900598360c5cdd |
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| 21:34.58 | Samuel-NotAFK | beardy: I don't know how to download something from that repo without adding it. |
| 21:35.10 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: Read more. |
| 21:35.17 | anomaly | running a deb server, but all these superfluous things are running.. like kgameportd. how do I shut these down? |
| 21:35.55 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: It mentions other ways of building it. But why not add it? (if you know what you are doing) |
| 21:36.51 | Fiskah | pickcoder: How do I do that? |
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| 21:37.31 | Fiskah | http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/howto.html#redirect under implementation? |
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| 21:38.38 | pickcoder | Fiskah: NAT instructions are on that page |
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| 21:39.01 | pickcoder | assuming you have forwarding enabled in netfilter |
| 21:39.28 | pickcoder | if you have a firewall installed then forwarding should already be on |
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| 21:41.06 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/pool/ there you have them |
| 21:41.45 | stupidnic | How can I get my qLogic HBA to load the SCSI drives after the on board SATA ports? Right now it is loading them before, so my references to sda in the fstab are not pointing to the correct locations |
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| 21:44.08 | pickcoder | stupidnic: can you not change the BIOS order in CMOS setup? |
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| 21:44.35 | stupidnic | pickcoder: the HBA has the boot BIOS disabled completely (because I don't boot from the SAN |
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| 21:44.58 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: That exact packagename doesn't seem to exist though. |
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| 21:45.03 | pickcoder | doesn't matter.. BIOS sees a drive controller on the PCI bus and it will get preference |
| 21:45.11 | Samuel-NotAFK | beardy: Thanks a lot. |
| 21:45.13 | pickcoder | unless you can change the order in CMOS |
| 21:45.32 | stupidnic | I will try it, but I am suspect |
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| 21:45.43 | beardy | Samuel-NotAFK: No problem, hope you find what you need. |
| 21:46.13 | Samuel-NotAFK | beardy: the ethernet cable wouldn't plug in and the debian installer wouldn't recognise my ethernet lol |
| 21:46.22 | Fiskah | damn it... now my laptop wont connect to the internet - even when not on VPN :| |
| 21:46.51 | obmij | Hmm |
| 21:46.57 | pickcoder | stupidnic: you may have to plan with udev rules to affix drive lettering |
| 21:46.58 | obmij | what do you use for connecting to wireless APs? |
| 21:46.58 | beardy | Fiskah: Because the routes wasn't put back, as they were before.?) |
| 21:47.05 | obmij | I use wpa_supplicant, it owns |
| 21:47.09 | Fiskah | I think so |
| 21:47.19 | Fiskah | Dont know how to fix it unfortunately :D |
| 21:47.28 | obmij | if you're having problems with routing tables just shut down interfaces you're not using |
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| 21:47.36 | obmij | :P |
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| 21:48.00 | stupidnic | pickcoder: yeah, the HBA doesn't show up at all in the BIOS becuase with the HBAs boot BIOS disabled it never hooks Int13 |
| 21:48.02 | beardy | Fiskah: Short and brute, '/etc/init.d/networking restart', make a little script to run, that reinstates the old routes when you disconnect the vpn. |
| 21:49.02 | Fiskah | There is a setting in the openvpn client that says "Reset network interfaces on disconnect" - I just forgot to check it :] |
| 21:49.09 | Fiskah | Im back online now - Reboot ftw :D |
| 21:49.11 | pickcoder | stupidnic: I had that problem before and I ended up hacking the fstab |
| 21:49.14 | beardy | Fiskah: (unless that is what should happen when the interface is brought down, I haven't done it, so Im not sure) |
| 21:49.18 | beardy | !reboot |
| 21:49.18 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 21:49.25 | beardy | Right. |
| 21:49.32 | stupidnic | pickcoder: I has considered that... just seemed... well... hackish :) |
| 21:49.33 | pickcoder | you're free to look at the udev rules and try to assign drive letters by PCI address |
| 21:49.33 | Fiskah | Hehehe.... |
| 21:49.38 | Fiskah | I rebooted my laptop D |
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| 21:49.55 | beardy | Yes, but restarting networking would've been enough. |
| 21:50.01 | pickcoder | grub has a drive mapping feature |
| 21:50.22 | Fiskah | Yeah I found out later :) |
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| 21:50.33 | pickcoder | you can map hd(0,0) to hd(1,1) and so on |
| 21:50.34 | stupidnic | pickcoder: I will start with udev, since I think grub also checks the IEFT |
| 21:50.35 | beardy | Better late than never. :) |
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| 21:51.33 | Fiskah | How do I restart networking on a mac? :D |
| 21:51.40 | cYmen | i want to purge and reinstall something but keep the dependencies unchanged |
| 21:51.43 | cYmen | how do i do that? |
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| 21:52.06 | wols_ | cYmen: with dpkg |
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| 21:52.34 | beardy | Fiskah: I don't know, but something simillar. |
| 21:52.35 | cYmen | wols_: with --ignore-depends? |
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| 21:54.01 | Fiskah | Ok I tried the VPN again - this time with the iptables nat in place. Stil didn't work so I did iptables -L and the nat rule I applied didn't show up... Can that have something to do with the forwarding not being enabled as pickcoder mentioned? |
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| 21:54.39 | obmij | where was the sources file again? |
| 21:54.48 | obmij | !tell me sources |
| 21:55.02 | dihymo | do bittorrent ACKs really kill your download? or is reducing upload a stupid idea like I think it is |
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| 21:55.27 | amphi | dihymo: you can easily experiment yourself |
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| 21:56.00 | dihymo | ktorrent fluctuates like a butterfly you can never tell what it wants |
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| 21:59.50 | pickcoder | Fiskah: systcl net.ipv4.ip_foward |
| 21:59.59 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 22:00.03 | pickcoder | sysctl |
| 22:00.15 | phorce1 | dihymo: acks REALLY affect your inbound. |
| 22:00.38 | Fiskah | pickcoder: net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 |
| 22:01.05 | Fiskah | is there any chance I'll lose the connection to the server if I enable it? |
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| 22:02.02 | phorce1 | dihymo: ALL inbound. Upload at full available bandwidth and watch your web browser start throwing "Server failed to respond" errors |
| 22:02.06 | gonzaloaf | hello, how can I set the correct keymap layout for the console mode (text mode)? |
| 22:02.12 | pickcoder | no |
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| 22:02.22 | rdz | is there a way to create a /proc filesystem after chrooting? |
| 22:02.49 | Fiskah | pickcoder: Okay. How do I enable it then? |
| 22:02.55 | pickcoder | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 22:03.27 | pickcoder | you can also use sysctl to set it |
| 22:03.29 | pickcoder | man sysctl |
| 22:03.35 | Fiskah | okay |
| 22:03.49 | Fiskah | what do I have to do to make the change take effect? |
| 22:04.19 | pickcoder | not sure if you need to reboot or not |
| 22:04.28 | pickcoder | I normally do so that networking restarts |
| 22:04.42 | pickcoder | you can try the rule again, though |
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| 22:05.01 | dudeman | good evening |
| 22:05.06 | simonrvn | you don't need to reboot |
| 22:05.09 | dudeman | whats going on in the world of #debian |
| 22:05.30 | adama | Fiskah it will work immediately |
| 22:05.34 | Fiskah | Okay |
| 22:05.38 | pickcoder | simonrvn: I didn't think so, but wasn't sure |
| 22:05.46 | pickcoder | I'll forget again by Monday |
| 22:05.54 | rdz | is there a way to force the creation of the /proc filesystem? |
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| 22:06.11 | obmij | so where is the sources file again? |
| 22:06.12 | Fiskah | Gah my connection still die when I connect to VPN |
| 22:06.21 | adama | setting things in /proc will generally take effect instantly, I believe |
| 22:06.22 | obmij | the one that has contrib non-free etc. lines |
| 22:06.30 | Fiskah | Chucked an OpenDNS server into the configuration - can that be the problem? |
| 22:06.34 | obmij | !tell me sources.list |
| 22:06.44 | obmij | I've forgotten the name |
| 22:06.52 | obmij | !tell me source.list |
| 22:06.54 | adama | obmij: it's in /etc/apt |
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| 22:07.14 | obmij | ahh yes |
| 22:07.14 | obmij | thanks |
| 22:07.35 | adama | !tell obmij about msgthebot |
| 22:07.37 | Elite|Jeti | hey guys should my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf file be empty? |
| 22:07.39 | pickcoder | Fiskah: where is your client getting DNS from? |
| 22:07.45 | pickcoder | first of all |
| 22:07.50 | pickcoder | try pinging an IP |
| 22:07.59 | Fiskah | push "dhcp-option DNS 208.67.222.222" |
| 22:07.59 | pickcoder | (that will respond to it) |
| 22:08.15 | Fiskah | I tried pinging 10.8.0.1 and it did not work |
| 22:08.30 | Fiskah | ehm |
| 22:08.33 | dmoerner | Elite|Jeti: mine is, with no problems for my server |
| 22:08.40 | adama | Elite|Jeti: yes it can be empty |
| 22:08.44 | Fiskah | a dhcp option with an opendns ip in it... isn't that wrong btw? |
| 22:08.57 | Samuel-NotAFK | The debian installer won't load the installation components from my usb drive because it won't detect it :( |
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| 22:09.02 | adama | Elite|Jeti it only exists for backwards compatibility |
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| 22:09.27 | Elite|Jeti | adama: well I have a small issue |
| 22:09.43 | Elite|Jeti | I can't access my site via my domain but the IP works and the DNS isn't wrong |
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| 22:10.41 | pickcoder | Fiskah: without a lot of documentation reading I'm not going to be much more help than your reading the docs yourself |
| 22:10.41 | adama | Elite|Jeti: check the configurations in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 22:10.51 | pickcoder | I use OpenVPN in a LAN push only |
| 22:11.31 | Fiskah | okay :/ |
| 22:11.33 | pickcoder | if your routing tables are correct and NAT is enabled everything will work |
| 22:11.41 | pickcoder | NAt is enabled on the _server_ |
| 22:11.44 | adama | Elite|Jeti: also make sure those config files are linked in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled - use a2ensite |
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| 22:12.00 | Elite|Jeti | elite:/etc/apache2/sites-available# ls |
| 22:12.00 | Elite|Jeti | 00_master.conf 01_awstats.conf default ispcp.conf |
| 22:12.49 | Fiskah | Whats strange is that when I connect to the vpn it closes the connection on the client.... and after a while the vpn server itself is disconnected aswell |
| 22:12.52 | pickcoder | Fiskah: bear in mind that your default GW on the server must have a return route for the 10.8 network too |
| 22:12.58 | Elite|Jeti | mine is probably in the 00_master.... right? |
| 22:13.03 | pickcoder | that is an easy thing to forget |
| 22:13.07 | Fiskah | pickcoder: how? |
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| 22:13.51 | pickcoder | Fiskah: if you configured openvpn properly it should set it up when openvpn starts |
| 22:13.52 | Flyoc | hi |
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| 22:14.32 | Fiskah | okay |
| 22:14.49 | pickcoder | if you are routing through another machine then NAT should handle it |
| 22:14.50 | Fiskah | I find a lot of these things hard to check because my debian networking knowledge is _very_ limited ;-) |
| 22:14.54 | adama | Elite|Jeti: I can't really remember the details... there are a few ways to do it, I think you want a separate file per domain name to serve, if you have multiple sites hosted |
| 22:14.56 | dudeman | is rewatching this video again |
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| 22:15.05 | pickcoder | if you are accessing something on another network, then that machine must have a 10.8 route back to the source |
| 22:15.06 | dudeman | great video I can't get over it! |
| 22:15.18 | dudeman | !dpa |
| 22:15.18 | dpkg | hmm... dpa is a Video tutorial/discussion of the Anatomy of Debian Pacakges - You should follow this along with the New Maintainers Guide -- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6726522426109060914&ei=NwblSI3ODaGI-gG5vpifAg&q=debian&hl=en |
| 22:16.05 | Flyoc | is the last version of postfix somehow broken on etch ? I started having some mails in /var/mail/ since the last update, and this is not my config |
| 22:16.20 | pickcoder | Flyoc: not to my knowledge |
| 22:16.35 | pickcoder | what kind of mail is it |
| 22:17.11 | Elite|Jeti | adama, in the 00_master......there is ServerName: and it says admin.domain.com should that be right? |
| 22:17.23 | Flyoc | pickcoder: just some regular newsletter that I usually go in my maildir. I have older and newer same mails from the same newsletter in my maildir. |
| 22:17.57 | Flyoc | pickcoder: and the mail doesnt show in /var/log/mail.* , yet its headers show it's been processed by postfix... |
| 22:18.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, are nvidia drivers available for lenny and kernel 2.6.26 ? |
| 22:18.59 | pickcoder | Flyoc: that's not possible |
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| 22:19.11 | pickcoder | how did you determine that postfix handled it |
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| 22:19.24 | statim | can anyone tell me how to check if a crt and key file work together? my webserver is telling me they dont, however when i ran openssl verify -CAfile mycafile.crt mycert.crt it says OK.. however its not taking into account the .key file so im not sure how to check that part |
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| 22:20.08 | Fiskah | pickcoder: In my client what default gw do I have to set? the server IP? |
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| 22:20.21 | Flyoc | pickcoder: [Received] by marmite.ath.cx (Postfix) with SMTP id 3538B1F356 |
| 22:20.23 | pickcoder | Fiskah: your VPN client should set that to a 10.8 address |
| 22:20.39 | pickcoder | Flyoc: and that message Id is not in the logs? |
| 22:20.40 | rocketmagnet | hello, when i install a package like "gnuplot", is there a way to also get the c/h files for this package ? |
| 22:20.46 | Flyoc | pickcoder: it's not indeed |
| 22:20.51 | pickcoder | that's strange |
| 22:20.58 | pickcoder | I'd stop postfix and look for stragglers |
| 22:21.08 | Fiskah | pickcoder: So e.g. 10.8.0.1 is the servers ip... and the default gw? |
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| 22:21.30 | themill | !wayttd rocketmagnet |
| 22:21.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rocketmagnet? |
| 22:21.42 | Flyoc | pickcoder: stragglers ? |
| 22:21.49 | Elite|Jeti | adama, in the 00_master......there is ServerName: and it says admin.domain.com should that be right? |
| 22:22.01 | rocketmagnet | themill: i want to get the sources of some packages like SDL, gnuplot, etc. to learn from the sources |
| 22:22.18 | themill | rocketmagnet: in that case, just apt-get source <packagename> |
| 22:22.21 | rocketmagnet | also for example the c files for the clib |
| 22:22.37 | pickcoder | Fiskah: I don't remember exactly which IP it is but I assume it to be the same as the server |
| 22:22.43 | rocketmagnet | so i can see the code for commands like printf or memcpy |
| 22:22.44 | pickcoder | Flyoc: master is still running |
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| 22:22.52 | pickcoder | maybe a rogue smtpd process |
| 22:22.56 | pickcoder | mailq |
| 22:22.56 | pickcoder | etc |
| 22:22.59 | gonzaloaf | !nvidia |
| 22:22.59 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> or <nvidia_lenny>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:23.35 | rocketmagnet | themill: thx ! |
| 22:23.40 | themill | gonzaloaf: /msg dpkg nvidia lenny |
| 22:23.42 | themill | rocketmagnet: np |
| 22:23.49 | rocketmagnet | do you know if this works for libc6 ? |
| 22:23.57 | themill | rocketmagnet: of course |
| 22:24.32 | rocketmagnet | coool =) |
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| 22:25.28 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I setup the keyboard layout in text mode? in X mode is well configure, why not in text mode_ |
| 22:25.29 | gonzaloaf | ? |
| 22:25.58 | Flyoc | gonzaloaf: loadkeys ? |
| 22:26.10 | dmoerner | gonzaloaf, dpkg-reconfigure kbd (or console-tools) depending on which you are using |
| 22:26.55 | adama | Elite|Jeti I don't know |
| 22:26.59 | adama | sorry |
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| 22:29.59 | Flyoc | what's the program to use to feed procmail with a /var/mail/ file ? |
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| 22:30.16 | gonzaloaf | hi. why sometimes I have to restart famd daemon in order to continue working? the top output says that famd is taking 100% cpu |
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| 22:30.56 | joa | i'm trying to figure out how i can get norwegian dvorak keyboard layout. the layout is selectable in ubuntu, but i have no idea how to import it into the debian system.. anyone? ;D |
| 22:31.46 | vadmeste | joa, System > Preferences > Keyboard !! |
| 22:32.22 | joa | vadmeste: your kidding ! |
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| 22:33.02 | vadmeste | joa, lol |
| 22:33.39 | joa | darn it.. well, guess i'll be back after a debian reinstall then :p |
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| 22:34.40 | vadmeste | no |
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| 22:37.03 | stupidnic | if I modify udev rules do I have to rebuild the initramfs? |
| 22:37.43 | simonrvn | sometimes yes, depending what it is |
| 22:38.13 | stupidnic | its a udev rule for the hard drives... so that would probably be a yes |
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| 22:42.00 | Fiskah | how do I list the iptables NAT rules? |
| 22:42.09 | Fiskah | (iptables -L doesn't show anything) |
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| 22:42.13 | Flyoc | Fiskah: iptables -t nat -L |
| 22:42.17 | MaliutaLap | iptables -t nat -L -nvx |
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| 22:42.26 | MaliutaLap | [z] |
| 22:43.53 | Fiskah | okay. How do I flush the rules I've added 8 times? :D |
| 22:44.11 | stupidnic | -F |
| 22:44.18 | stupidnic | but that flushes everything |
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| 22:44.59 | MaliutaLap | that's what a flush is |
| 22:45.11 | MaliutaLap | delete is something different |
| 22:45.19 | Fiskah | ok delete then ;-) |
| 22:45.35 | stupidnic | See... I knew what he meant not what he said |
| 22:45.42 | Fiskah | hehe |
| 22:45.46 | Fiskah | you owned me there ;-) |
| 22:45.59 | MaliutaLap | Fiskah: man iptables |
| 22:46.05 | MaliutaLap | Fiskah: and read about -D |
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| 22:52.22 | Ace2016_- | if i hook up a ups for my pc, is there a command that'll tell it to go down asap a fast as computationally possible and just sync the disks, kill everything unmount and poweroff? |
| 22:52.39 | Ace2016_- | i'm hoping for a APC ups |
| 22:52.56 | simonrvn | !tell Ace2016_- -about search |
| 22:53.00 | Ace2016_- | an APC ups* sry but bad grammer bugs me |
| 22:56.19 | stupidnic | Ace2016_-: APC provides an app for that |
| 22:56.22 | stupidnic | powerchute |
| 22:56.53 | stupidnic | it use to run over serial, but not sure any more |
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| 23:01.10 | Fiskah | Ok I'm screwed. I made a change to the interfaces file, tried to reload the configuration and lost the connection to the server. I tried powercycling the server but it doesn't come up again. What on earth can I do now? |
| 23:01.37 | godlygeek | how can you tweak hal to unload certain modules before suspend and reload them after? |
| 23:02.31 | simonrvn | "grammar", and there's apsupsd or whatever it's called |
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| 23:03.36 | stupidnic | Fiskah: remote hands, or console |
| 23:03.57 | Fiskah | stupidnic: Thats bad... |
| 23:04.06 | Fiskah | The server is located 2000 km from here :] |
| 23:04.18 | stupidnic | there should still be a tech onsite no? |
| 23:04.20 | Fiskah | And I'm pretty confident that they closed down for the weekend |
| 23:04.36 | stupidnic | then that is a pretty crap spot for a server |
| 23:04.43 | MaliutaLap | Fiskah: lesson? don't fuck with remote network stuff unless you have another route in |
| 23:04.49 | godlygeek | that's why techs have beepers and get paid well... heh |
| 23:05.11 | stupidnic | I have a remote kvm over IP for just such emergencies |
| 23:05.46 | Fiskah | Fortunately its not a very important server |
| 23:05.52 | Fiskah | But its annoying anyways |
| 23:05.54 | aurel42 | I like HP servers for their iLO-stuff. |
| 23:06.13 | stupidnic | aurel42: yeah that is pretty nice, and cheaper then Dell DRACs |
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| 23:06.39 | Fiskah | I think they told me they had some kind of remote console |
| 23:06.57 | Fiskah | To use when you e.g. need to install a new operating system remotely |
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| 23:07.27 | aurel42 | Fiskah: so use it. ;) |
| 23:07.35 | Fiskah | Cant find it :D |
| 23:08.15 | Fiskah | Anyone here tried to use Leaseweb? |
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| 23:17.13 | Pedro420 | Can someone help me with a prob ? At first, my arts daemon wont play any sound in apollon or and video players. Now I have now sound at all. WHat do I have to do to get my arts daemon to work again and have sound ? |
| 23:18.17 | themill | Pedro420: killall artsd ; sleep 5 ; artsd & aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 23:18.22 | themill | (normally works) |
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| 23:19.49 | Pedro420 | themill: Thank you but it says |
| 23:19.52 | csilk | which chan would i need for debian package maintainers? |
| 23:19.58 | Pedro420 | artsd: no process killed |
| 23:19.58 | Pedro420 | [1] 3325 |
| 23:19.58 | Pedro420 | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 23:19.58 | Pedro420 | aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 23:19.58 | Pedro420 | pedro@c-24-3-241-206:~$ Link points to "/tmp/ksocket-pedro" |
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| 23:20.32 | csilk | anyone? |
| 23:20.39 | dmoerner | csilk: debian-devel on oftc. if you want to ask a specific maintainer a question you will probably have more luck with email though, as many people aren't on irc |
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| 23:20.41 | magellanino | csilk: |
| 23:20.50 | magellanino | debian-devel |
| 23:20.58 | csilk | thanks |
| 23:21.04 | dmoerner | csilk: you might want to try asking more than a minute for your question, especially in #debian-devel |
| 23:21.11 | themill | csilk: #debian-devel on oftc, but you're probably better off asking your questio nhere |
| 23:21.19 | dmoerner | s/asking/waiting/ |
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| 23:22.42 | csilk | themill, ok i'll try asking here.. i wasnt going to originally as i thought it would be inappropriate |
| 23:23.18 | csilk | I'm packaing a software utility and I'm curious as to what repo section it would fall under.. i'm torn between misc and electronics |
| 23:23.24 | csilk | It's the only tuning software for Unix. It's an engine tuning utility for measuring variables within a combustion engine such as fuel to air ratio etc etc |
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| 23:23.35 | weiles | how do i resume after dpkg --set-selections to update my system accordingly? |
| 23:23.48 | dmoerner | weiles: apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 23:24.02 | Pedro420 | m |
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| 23:24.34 | themill | csilk: either sounds plausible. Ask debian mentors for guidance on that sort of thing /msg dpkg mentors. With debtags, the categories are less important anyway. |
| 23:24.50 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to help my gf to fix her debian installation on a g4 ppc. 'yabootconfig' went well, but when doing 'mkofboot' i get: Failed to initialize HFS working directories: no such file or directory. what does that mean? |
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| 23:25.15 | Pedro420 | themll: Everytime I try to use artsd it say device or resource busy but nothing is using it. |
| 23:25.16 | themill | csilk: most of electronics is for real electronics (e.g. circuit simulators) though, isn't it? |
| 23:25.30 | csilk | themill, yeah it look that way |
| 23:25.46 | csilk | I'll just put misc and let the revu people decide if its right or wrong |
| 23:26.11 | Pedro420 | themill: the command u gave me just brought errors and froze my terminal |
| 23:26.39 | themill | Pedro420: then you have much deeper problems. How were you able to paste it then? |
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| 23:27.56 | themill | Pedro420: I'm guessing that aplay is hung. Hit Ctrl+C to kill it. |
| 23:28.24 | Pedro420 | themill: I hit enter and it said |
| 23:28.42 | csilk | Thanks for the advice themill |
| 23:28.48 | Pedro420 | [1]+ Exit 1 artsd |
| 23:28.50 | themill | csilk: no worries. |
| 23:29.12 | Pedro420 | themill: I killed it I think |
| 23:29.56 | themill | Pedro420: what do you get for: fuser /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp /dev/mixer |
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| 23:30.55 | Pedro420 | themill: /dev/dsp: 3246 |
| 23:31.04 | weiles | dmoerner: and how do i abort drop these settings (now that i don't want to install all these packages)? |
| 23:31.38 | dmoerner | weiles: remove them from dselect or dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:32.05 | themill | Pedro420: ok, so the output of "ps 3246" will tell you what is hogging the sound card |
| 23:32.25 | weiles | dmoerner: i have done dpkg --set-selections < my_current_package_set but i still get all these packages on apt-get dselect-upgrade |
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| 23:33.10 | Pedro420 | themills: How do I get the output of ps 3246 ? |
| 23:33.30 | themill | Pedro420: run that command....: ps 3246 |
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| 23:33.58 | dmoerner | weiles: echo package setting | dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:34.03 | Pedro420 | the mills: 3246 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/esd -nobeeps |
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| 23:34.29 | grummund | hi, anyone can tell me pls how to list the max_mounts_count that's been set on a partition with tune2fs? |
| 23:35.19 | xsdg | grummund: e2 |
| 23:35.21 | xsdg | err... |
| 23:35.27 | weiles | dmoerner: well the new one was 2033 lines and my current one is a view hundred so i guess i'd have to set all of the 2033 to uninstall first, right? |
| 23:35.41 | xsdg | grummund: debugfs will tellyou |
| 23:35.43 | dmoerner | weiles: what about aptitude keep-all? |
| 23:35.49 | xsdg | (I forget what args, though) |
| 23:36.07 | themill | Pedro420: how come you have both esd and artsd running? |
| 23:36.30 | grummund | xsdg: tvm. i;ll look it up |
| 23:36.30 | themill | Pedro420: do you use kde or gnome? |
| 23:36.33 | weiles | dmoerner: apt-get dselect-upgrade still gives the 1557 packages to upgrade |
| 23:37.05 | dmoerner | weiles: what were you trying to do? |
| 23:37.05 | weiles | aptitude dist-upgrade is quiet though |
| 23:37.06 | aptitude | ...but dist-upgrade is already something else... |
| 23:37.24 | themill | aptitude: shaddup |
| 23:37.24 | aptitude | fine, be that way! |
| 23:37.35 | Pedro420 | themills: I have no idea, I never heard of esd. My friend gave me a new pc and he set it up. but he didn't know why my artsd didn't work either |
| 23:37.42 | themill | !esd |
| 23:37.43 | dpkg | somebody said esd was the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
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| 23:38.03 | Pedro420 | themills: gnome |
| 23:38.13 | weiles | dmoerner: i've tried to load a backup from a different server, but i am splitting it up to different vms and i don't want to readd the desktop environments now |
| 23:38.41 | weiles | dmoerner: so i have used dpkg --set-selections < old_server_get_selection_file |
| 23:38.49 | weiles | dmoerner: but now i'd like to drop it |
| 23:39.25 | weiles | dmoerner: i guess this is my fault by using a scripted backup and then trying to reverse the package states... |
| 23:39.29 | themill | Pedro420: so why do you want artsd if you're using gnome? |
| 23:40.02 | weiles | dmoerner: i have a packages selection file of the current system though, which is ok, but has no effect when being applied |
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| 23:40.52 | themill | weiles: sed s/install/deinstall/ <old_server | dpkg --set-selections (you probably don't actually want to do that, save the file and edit it before giving it to dpkg_ |
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| 23:41.31 | oompa_loompa | hi everybody |
| 23:41.33 | weiles | themill: i'll do that and then reset the current setup, that should be fine, right? |
| 23:41.35 | oompa_loompa | I have a question |
| 23:41.44 | Pedro420 | themills: when I try to use my video players or apollon the says Sound server informational message: |
| 23:41.45 | Pedro420 | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 23:41.45 | Pedro420 | device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) |
| 23:41.45 | Pedro420 | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
| 23:41.45 | themill | weiles: dpkg --set-selections just marks things for install/deinstall. Nothing happens until you apt-get dselect-upgrade. |
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| 23:42.09 | themill | ffs |
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| 23:42.31 | oompa_loompa | I have a debian box connected to a cisco VPN, and I want to use as a gateway, what do I need to do in order to use as gateway and be able to reach the vpn connection? |
| 23:43.03 | Pedro420 | themills: did u get my last msg ? |
| 23:43.31 | Pedro420 | themills: I keep gettin kicked |
| 23:43.40 | themill | Pedro420: stop pasting in the channel then |
| 23:43.55 | dudeman | what? |
| 23:44.05 | Pedro420 | themills: I keep forgeting u cant do that here |
| 23:44.11 | dudeman | !paster |
| 23:44.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:44.20 | dudeman | or paste.debian.net |
| 23:44.31 | themill | dudeman: he's been told 4 times already |
| 23:44.40 | dudeman | perhaps 5th time is the charm. |
| 23:44.47 | themill | perhaps |
| 23:44.49 | weiles | themill: worked |
| 23:44.51 | Pedro420 | short term memory |
| 23:44.56 | themill | weiles: :) |
| 23:45.01 | dudeman | Pedro420, I wonder why. |
| 23:45.16 | Pedro420 | Hell if I know |
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| 23:46.08 | grummund | xsdg: tvm. i;ll look it up |
| 23:46.17 | weiles | hell, this get/set selections stuff can get useful ^^ |
| 23:46.18 | grummund | gah. sorry |
| 23:46.48 | themill | weiles: you can also preserve your autoinstall history too /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 23:47.02 | Pedro420 | themills: How can I fix my sound ? |
| 23:47.38 | themill | Pedro420: either configure your media player to not use arstd or use a different media player that doesn't use artsd, or stop using esd. |
| 23:47.41 | grummund | xsdg: i can't see any option to list the settings with debug2fs |
| 23:48.00 | weiles | artsd? |
| 23:48.09 | Pedro420 | the mills: how do I stop esd ? |
| 23:48.13 | themill | weiles: kde sound daemon |
| 23:48.46 | weiles | weiles: ya sure, but should not need any more, either use 4.1 from backports or configure your kde/media player to not use it |
| 23:49.06 | weiles | i mean from kde4.debian.net |
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| 23:49.27 | grummund | would like to check what has been set on a partition with 'tune2fs -i'. any way to do that? |
| 23:49.32 | themill | weiles: not for etch you won't |
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| 23:49.46 | weiles | themill: yes, sure |
| 23:50.07 | weiles | just haven't fiddled with artsd for a long time |
| 23:50.11 | Pedro420 | themills: I killed esd that error message dont come up but still no sound |
| 23:51.54 | dudeman | themills |
| 23:51.58 | dudeman | fantastic |
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| 23:52.34 | dudeman | I use artsd just fine with kde |
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| 23:52.47 | dudeman | I have no problems with anything related to artsd and sound not working |
| 23:53.06 | dudeman | when artsd is idle for 60seconds it passes the control over to where else is controlling /dev/dsl |
| 23:53.12 | dudeman | dsp (or whatever) |
| 23:53.17 | Pedro420 | I DO |
| 23:53.18 | Pedro420 | I do |
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| 23:54.03 | dudeman | Pedro420, because yo loaded up god knows what while you're stoned shitless |
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| 23:54.40 | dudeman | esd, artsd, what else did you randomly install on the system without first researching what you need to do? |
| 23:54.46 | Pedro420 | dudeman: Loaded what ? |
| 23:54.56 | dudeman | (as I gather from your previous chat log) |
| 23:56.03 | Pedro420 | dudeman: My friend NVZ loaded this pc up it used to be his and put windows and debian on it and now I have probs with my sound in debian and he dont know why |
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| 23:56.34 | dudeman | I know nvz, he is a good dude |
| 23:56.43 | dudeman | Pedro420, make him fix it! |
| 23:57.30 | Pedro420 | dudeman: I know he is but he said he didn't know why my srtsd was jacked up |
| 23:57.44 | dudeman | Pedro420, you are a kde user? |
| 23:58.12 | Pedro420 | dudeman: PLus he is in harpers ferry wv and I am in his hometown. No I use gnome |
| 23:58.29 | dudeman | so why is artsd in there? |
| 23:59.06 | Pedro420 | dudeman: Thats what apollon uses i think |
| 23:59.22 | dudeman | so you installed a kde app to dl stuff |
| 23:59.23 | dudeman | ok |
