| 00:00.10 | Sling | (eeepc 901) |
| 00:00.19 | Sling | looks like a toy, but at least a toy with wobbly windows |
| 00:00.44 | karmatronic | Sling: i have it too :) |
| 00:01.00 | Sling | you have the Fn+3 working by any chance? |
| 00:01.07 | Sling | it messes up my wireless BIOS setting |
| 00:01.13 | karmatronic | Sling: but now they launched the acer apire one,it s better |
| 00:01.27 | karmatronic | Sling: the F3 is the wifi switch ? |
| 00:01.30 | Sling | ya |
| 00:01.37 | karmatronic | Sling: yeah its working here |
| 00:01.52 | Sling | hm, maybe im missing some acpi driver for the eee then |
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| 00:02.09 | karmatronic | Sling: well there s a package |
| 00:02.14 | mohadib | any eSata users here? that have to do warmplugging? |
| 00:02.32 | Sling | karmatronic : ah well, ill see about that later, has absolutely no prio atm |
| 00:02.46 | Sling | at least my wireless works |
| 00:02.53 | extor | micols, what is mdb, have you used it? |
| 00:02.57 | karmatronic | Sling: btw , you have a new problem now that compiz is working.... |
| 00:03.06 | Sling | battery? |
| 00:03.11 | karmatronic | Sling: your webcam just stopped to work... |
| 00:03.17 | Sling | lets see |
| 00:03.22 | micols | extor: no |
| 00:03.25 | karmatronic | Sling: it doesnt work if compiz is active |
| 00:03.39 | Sling | works fine |
| 00:03.40 | micols | i think i am going to backup all those newsgroups i spent xx hours fetching :) |
| 00:03.46 | Sling | well fine, not many fps |
| 00:03.50 | micols | a few GBs |
| 00:04.00 | karmatronic | Sling: men , i m surprised... |
| 00:04.13 | micols | perhaps compress them |
| 00:04.14 | karmatronic | Sling: i ll have a look then... |
| 00:04.19 | micols | could be fun to see how much they will do |
| 00:04.25 | Sling | turns it off, dont like myself on my screen :p |
| 00:04.28 | karmatronic | Sling: although the 901 is the 9inches model right ? |
| 00:04.30 | micols | i guess 50-70% |
| 00:04.33 | Sling | yea |
| 00:04.40 | karmatronic | Sling: i have the first model they made |
| 00:04.47 | karmatronic | Sling: 7inches i think |
| 00:04.52 | Sling | i just got it last week |
| 00:05.08 | karmatronic | Sling: yeah,bought mine in march |
| 00:05.12 | Sling | ah k |
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| 00:05.40 | karmatronic | Sling: got installed the xandros package for voice recognition too,kind of fun |
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| 00:07.13 | karmatronic | Sling: there s an eeepc-acpi module and eeepc-acpi-scripts that deal with the function keys |
| 00:07.46 | stoned | hey |
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| 00:10.36 | Sling | i have eeepc-acpi-scripts installed |
| 00:10.44 | Sling | but no eeepc-acpi-modules* |
| 00:10.54 | karmatronic | Sling: and the module loaded? |
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| 00:11.38 | Sling | hm, modprobe -l | grep eeepc comes up with nothing |
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| 00:12.09 | Sling | i could install eeepc-acpi-modules-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 00:12.22 | hajar | morning guys |
| 00:12.27 | Sling | 'night |
| 00:12.38 | Sling | oh crap 2:11 am already |
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| 00:13.05 | Kovensky | Sling: so morning for you too :) |
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| 00:13.21 | Kovensky | or would it be "good midnight"? :/ |
| 00:13.35 | hajar | wanna ask: any good Debian live cd (prefer one with wvdial package) |
| 00:13.42 | hajar | no, not Ubuntu |
| 00:13.55 | hajar | one like knoppix but gnome as default |
| 00:14.18 | Sling | move window -> constrain y .. stupid default setting |
| 00:14.23 | zinx | the official Debian LiveCD's still in development |
| 00:14.32 | zinx | anything else is really more 'debian-based' than 'debian' |
| 00:14.39 | karmatronic | hajar: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_live_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-lenny-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 00:14.42 | zinx | there are a number of debian-based livecds though |
| 00:15.15 | hajar | but what that installs as Deian, rarly |
| 00:15.21 | hajar | *rarely |
| 00:15.40 | hajar | gonna check on Debian live |
| 00:17.39 | karmatronic | anyone tried gns3,pemu and olive ? |
| 00:19.42 | enouf | wols_: you're correct (mostly, and in general) .. only because i'm sure there are many more machines using typical 4096Bytes, rather than 4096K, 4M certainly is doable on x86 (and some use it). But i confronted someone very prominent here about this once, and i was told 4096K, i even asked "was that a typo" |
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| 00:19.58 | hajar | karmatronic, not me, at least not yet :) |
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| 00:20.23 | karmatronic | hajar: :) |
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| 00:21.03 | hajar | i'm currently trying to set arabic locale so i can type arabic letters and change to roman |
| 00:21.07 | enouf | wols_: for some reason, i can never find that exact wording in the source when i want to (though i found hints, and variants) - so, next best thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_(computing) and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory (for whomever cares) |
| 00:21.42 | dustybin | anyone here have any experience with setting up a dual homed server |
| 00:22.13 | dustybin | !tell dustybin its ok to ask to ask |
| 00:22.31 | karmatronic | dustybin: what do you mean ? |
| 00:22.46 | dustybin | my server has a dual nic interface |
| 00:22.47 | hajar | but how i can interchange between english and arabic locale? coomand: setxkbmap -v -rules xfree86 -model pc104-layout "us,ar" -option "grp:alt_shift_toggle" -option "grp_led:caps" |
| 00:22.57 | hajar | *command |
| 00:23.10 | Sling | when i start a window, its top is positioned too high for the desktop |
| 00:23.19 | hajar | return error: Cannot open display "default display" |
| 00:23.22 | Sling | (it only aligns the bottom |
| 00:23.52 | amphi | Sling: you can move it with alt-button1-drag |
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| 00:24.03 | Sling | amphi : i want it to be scaled to the desktop by default |
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| 00:24.20 | Sling | or if thats not possible, to align the top to the desktop, not the bottom |
| 00:24.23 | karmatronic | Sling: need to look in gconf |
| 00:24.25 | amphi | Sling: depends on the wm |
| 00:24.30 | Sling | gnome/compiz |
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| 00:25.06 | amphi | Sling: enable the place plugin to prevent the window title bar being occluded by the panel |
| 00:25.35 | amphi | Sling: you can also set a keybinding for toggle maximize |
| 00:27.52 | Sling | hm, the "centered"-setting seems to do what i like |
| 00:28.14 | Sling | thanks all, im calling it a day |
| 00:28.17 | Sling | more fun tomorrow |
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| 00:31.50 | dustybin | i have a dual nic on my server, i understand, to seperate traffic properly, i need to make sure each nic is on a different subnet, does that also mean that each nic should have its own gateway? |
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| 00:33.47 | beardy | dustybin: If it is on a separate subnet, it has it's own gateway. (which can be the same gateway machine, but that also has two nics then). |
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| 00:35.27 | jpinx | I partitioned my 2nd hdd and created a 5Gb partition at the beginning of the drive, and there I wrote vmlinuz and initrd.gz then I wrote the additional entries in grub menu.list to point at those files, but when I try it grub says it can't mount the partition. What have I done wrong? |
| 00:35.59 | dustybin | beardy: thats exactly what i thought, every time you create a new network, there will also be a gateway for that network |
| 00:36.44 | dustybin | beardy: that means i should specify each gateway for each subnet / NIC inside /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:36.49 | enouf | extor: yes, you can create blank files, mount them on loopback and mkfs on them |
| 00:37.19 | Kovensky | enouf: almost |
| 00:37.21 | dudeman | jpinx, hi |
| 00:37.27 | Kovensky | enouf: you must mkfs before mounting on loopback :) |
| 00:37.46 | jpinx | Hola dudeman how's it hangin' ? |
| 00:37.50 | extor | enough, like so? mount /blank.image /mnt/blankness -o loop -t ext3 |
| 00:38.16 | Kovensky | extor: yep; if you 'mkfs.ext3 /blank.image' first |
| 00:38.17 | extor | can I send a mkfs command to the file /blank.image? |
| 00:38.22 | Kovensky | extor: yes |
| 00:38.26 | extor | nice |
| 00:38.35 | Kovensky | mkfs will cry tough, because it is not a block device |
| 00:38.43 | Kovensky | but it will do it anyway, or tell you how to force it to |
| 00:39.20 | jpinx | anyone know how to make grub mount my 2nd IDE hdd? |
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| 00:39.52 | extor | grub doesnt mount, mount mounts |
| 00:39.58 | enouf | Kovensky: right, brain fart |
| 00:40.01 | enouf | extor: http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html |
| 00:40.50 | extor | enouf, looks easy as pie |
| 00:41.16 | enouf | i believe i gave you all this months ago - or .. it's just a 'dejà vú' brainfart |
| 00:41.18 | extor | except I have no idea why he gets /dev/loop0 involved, I just created and mounted one |
| 00:41.28 | dudeman | Kovensky, hi |
| 00:41.32 | Kovensky | does this blank file trick to create swap files on local hard disks when booting from usb |
| 00:41.34 | enouf | check output in mount |
| 00:41.37 | Kovensky | dudeman: hi |
| 00:41.38 | extor | It's a deja vu brainfart unless you just gave it to me without me asking |
| 00:41.56 | dudeman | jpinx, its hangin. It shrinks up in the winter though so it doesn't hang much. But during the summer time it hangs pretty good. |
| 00:42.09 | extor | I did ask a couple years back how to mount an iso image using loopback...but not a rw virtual filesystem |
| 00:42.14 | enouf | jpinx: your 2nd system HDD to grub is hd1 |
| 00:42.31 | enouf | jpinx: no matter which position on the IDE Bus it's in |
| 00:42.33 | jpinx | enouf: yes |
| 00:42.48 | Kovensky | did you grub-install after changing the root? |
| 00:42.56 | Kovensky | it is needed so it installs the proper stage1.5 |
| 00:42.59 | jpinx | the entry in menu.list is (hd1,0) |
| 00:43.14 | enouf | extor: if you check /proc/mounts or just mount - you |
| 00:43.21 | enouf | 'll see /dev/loopX is being used |
| 00:43.37 | extor | ahh looks like linux automagically used it though |
| 00:43.42 | enouf | yep |
| 00:43.59 | enouf | losetup isn't necessarily needed, but wth |
| 00:44.00 | Kovensky | wonders who invented the 'automagic' word |
| 00:44.07 | jpinx | enouf : but I've tried editing it as well at boot-time to see if anything else works on the 2nd hdd |
| 00:44.12 | enouf | why, an automagician ofcourse |
| 00:44.43 | Kovensky | gdm update on lenny :O |
| 00:44.48 | Kovensky | wonders what's new |
| 00:44.52 | enouf | jpinx: (hd1,0) would be 2nd HDD, 1st partition |
| 00:45.20 | Kovensky | enouf: it depends |
| 00:45.30 | Kovensky | if the 1st HDD is the one where grub is installed, then that is right |
| 00:45.32 | enouf | no, it doesn't |
| 00:45.53 | Kovensky | but if grub is installed in the 2nd HDD, (hd0) would be the 2nd HDD, (hd1) the 1st, and (hd2) the 3rd |
| 00:46.11 | Kovensky | (hd0) is always the same disk where grub is installed |
| 00:46.18 | enouf | Kovensky: no, it depends on how one has the boot order setup in the BIOS |
| 00:46.20 | Kovensky | actually, the disk the bios called to boot |
| 00:46.57 | Kovensky | enouf: but the bios will only boot grub if the hdd with grub is called before the others =p |
| 00:47.18 | enouf | Kovensky: not true either |
| 00:47.35 | enouf | Kovensky: you need to edit the grun line, sure, but i've done it many times |
| 00:47.50 | wols_ | enouf: first disk is always 0x80 :) |
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| 00:48.08 | jpinx | enouf: that's right - here's the relevant lines in grubs menu.list http://rafb.net/p/9Ve6jP34.html |
| 00:48.10 | wols_ | ie whatever comes first in boot order is deemed 0x80 |
| 00:48.13 | enouf | omg, here we go :-P |
| 00:48.31 | Kovensky | wols_: if the bios fails to boot the first in the order and boots the second in the order and grub is there? |
| 00:48.45 | Kovensky | will that disk be marked as (hd0)? |
| 00:48.51 | Kovensky | or the first will be (hd0)? |
| 00:49.08 | wols_ | Kovensky: then you better made grub believe it is 0x81 in the first place |
| 00:49.32 | enouf | jpinx: you have no root=/dev/name ro line |
| 00:49.35 | wols_ | first is hd0. and it only "fails to boot" if it's MBR actually loads the one from 0x81 |
| 00:49.55 | enouf | jpinx: also, checkout /boot/grub/device.map |
| 00:50.03 | Kovensky | wols_: the first in the boot order can also fail to boot if it's MBR is corrupted/invalid/nonexistant |
| 00:50.09 | jpinx | enouf: i copied the lines direct from the installation manual :( |
| 00:50.22 | wols_ | on bootup a x86 simply goes to 0x81 and loads the first sector to 7c0h and runs that |
| 00:50.37 | wols_ | Kovensky: then you won't boot ever |
| 00:50.41 | Kovensky | wols_: hmm |
| 00:50.48 | wols_ | erm goes to 0x80 rather |
| 00:50.54 | Kovensky | wols_: then grub will always see the disk it is in as (hd0), right? |
| 00:51.01 | wols_ | Kovensky: no |
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| 00:51.11 | Kovensky | wols_: what would make it not do so? |
| 00:51.16 | enouf | jpinx: here's a typical stanza http://rafb.net/p/pze1uk64.html |
| 00:51.19 | wols_ | and "it is in" is very misleading. grub has 2-3 stages |
| 00:51.30 | Kovensky | wols_: I mean the disk where stage1 is |
| 00:51.44 | enouf | jpinx: /boot/grub/menu.lst has examples |
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| 00:52.19 | jpinx | enouf: yep - looking at those now - thanks |
| 00:52.21 | wols_ | Kovensky: I guess when the disk is not responding it will go to 0x81. but if the MBR is only corrupted you get a crash or a error |
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| 00:52.49 | Kovensky | wols_: hmm... then if it borks, it is because your system is already borked |
| 00:53.48 | jpinx | enouf: can I edit /boot/grub/device.map to include my 2nd hdd? |
| 00:54.12 | Kovensky | jpinx: nope |
| 00:54.36 | jpinx | Kovensky: how do I get grub to update it then? |
| 00:54.47 | Kovensky | jpinx: grub-mkdevicemap |
| 00:54.57 | enouf | indeed - the grub stages make a mess out of it , but there's was no other way at the time, (as far as grub's many boot options / multiboot spec / partition table types are concerned) the MBR can only hold enough code to act as a pointer |
| 00:55.22 | Kovensky | enouf: there still is no other way |
| 00:55.26 | Kovensky | with bios code |
| 00:55.32 | Kovensky | unless it is efi, I know nothing about efi |
| 00:55.34 | enouf | Kovensky: sure there is - it's called LiLo |
| 00:55.45 | Kovensky | enouf: lilo is not grub |
| 00:56.03 | enouf | or even Windows 98 |
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| 00:56.03 | Kovensky | lilo has NOTHING to do with grub, other than being a bootloader |
| 00:56.06 | jpinx | Kovensky: thanks |
| 00:56.07 | Kovensky | and lilo's code is much simpler than grub's |
| 00:56.15 | enouf | oh - grub2 doesn't use stages anymore |
| 00:56.22 | enouf | it's all modular |
| 00:56.30 | Kovensky | enouf: windows nt boot loader is also 'pointery' |
| 00:56.35 | Kovensky | enouf: it uses EVEN MORE stages then ;) |
| 00:56.37 | wols_ | enouf: lilo has the same limitations. it's just a different place it puts all its shit |
| 00:56.52 | enouf | MS-DOS partition table types are "pointery" |
| 00:57.01 | enouf | and "jumpy" |
| 00:57.16 | Kovensky | uses grub2 |
| 00:57.21 | wols_ | enouf: why jumpy? |
| 00:57.31 | enouf | wols_: for xMBRs |
| 00:57.42 | wols_ | enouf: xmbrs being? |
| 00:57.48 | enouf | Ext'd MBRs |
| 00:58.00 | wols_ | enouf: you mean extended partitions? |
| 00:58.03 | enouf | no |
| 00:58.07 | enouf | but those too |
| 00:58.22 | enouf | they are actually a part of it |
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| 00:58.46 | enouf | basically what grub calls "chainloading" |
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| 00:59.05 | jpinx | man grub has the option "--install-partition=PAR" Is that what I need for a second HDD? |
| 00:59.13 | enouf | MicroPoop does that all over the place when you use it's partition type |
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| 00:59.41 | Kovensky | jpinx: no |
| 00:59.42 | enouf | jpinx: are you using grub1 or grub2 ? |
| 00:59.48 | jpinx | I am not seeing anywhere how to update device.map |
| 00:59.52 | samrose | anyone know where I might find a deb package for php5-zip ? |
| 00:59.55 | jpinx | grub1 |
| 00:59.56 | enouf | has never seen that option |
| 01:00.00 | Kovensky | jpinx: grub-mkdevicemap |
| 01:00.03 | Kovensky | jpinx: it updates device.map |
| 01:00.18 | jpinx | Kovensky: that command doesn't exist |
| 01:00.22 | Kovensky | o_O |
| 01:00.26 | jpinx | tried sudo too |
| 01:00.33 | enouf | has seen --root-directory=/boot many times, and even --recheck |
| 01:00.35 | Kovensky | /usr/sbin/grub-mkdevicemap |
| 01:00.48 | Kovensky | jpinx: it is on my sytem |
| 01:01.05 | enouf | jpinx: -recheck scans device.map for sanity checking |
| 01:01.11 | Kovensky | weird it isn't on yours :/ |
| 01:01.15 | jpinx | sudo: /usr/sbin/grub-mkdevicemap: command not found |
| 01:01.21 | Kovensky | grub-install -recheck /dev/[your disk] |
| 01:01.24 | Kovensky | that should do |
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| 01:01.44 | Kovensky | grub-install accepts /dev nodes if it can map them to device.map; with -recheck it should generate a new map and find it there |
| 01:02.11 | jpinx | Unrecognized option `-recheck' |
| 01:02.22 | enouf | heh, try --recheck |
| 01:02.39 | Kovensky | it's typo season ;) |
| 01:02.49 | jpinx | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 01:02.54 | jpinx | goes for a coffee ;) |
| 01:03.00 | enouf | jpinx: --recheck Recheck the device map, even if /boot/grub/device.map already exists. You should use this option whenever you add/remove a disk into/from your computer. |
| 01:03.02 | Kovensky | jpinx: that's a lie |
| 01:03.09 | Kovensky | jpinx: it takes a long time if you have a 386 :) |
| 01:03.16 | jpinx | heh |
| 01:03.32 | jpinx | I'm not a lot better - PIII 500Mhz |
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| 01:03.47 | Kovensky | used to have a 486DX2 |
| 01:03.51 | enouf | jpinx: PII 350MHz here ;-) |
| 01:04.03 | enouf | jpinx: /me has a p150 also :-p |
| 01:04.10 | Kovensky | also had a P133, Duron 750MHz, Semprom 2600, and now a 2800+ |
| 01:04.10 | jpinx | yea - ok enouf - but you're expert ;) |
| 01:04.16 | enouf | jpinx: no, i suck |
| 01:04.31 | jpinx | is a real greenhorn |
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| 01:04.43 | jpinx | but I really enjoy debian :D |
| 01:04.48 | Kovensky | is a lazy geek |
| 01:05.31 | jpinx | Searching for GRUB installation directory ... found: /boot/grub |
| 01:05.55 | jpinx | do I have to do this every time i put another drive in teh 2nd hdd slot ? |
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| 01:06.57 | jpinx | this laptop has a selectbay and I have several spare HDD's and i'd like to put a slim OS on each. |
| 01:07.22 | enouf | you men an UltraBay thing? |
| 01:07.25 | enouf | mean* |
| 01:07.39 | enouf | there's he hotswap pkg for that |
| 01:07.47 | enouf | s/he/the |
| 01:07.55 | jpinx | it'sa toshiba selectbay - used to be hotswap in XP |
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| 01:08.16 | enouf | well, ibm calls them ultrabays |
| 01:08.20 | jpinx | it'd be nice if that existed for me too - rebooting is a fag |
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| 01:08.31 | geek | >_> |
| 01:08.40 | dudeman | yeh |
| 01:08.43 | enouf | !tell jpinx about gay |
| 01:08.44 | dudeman | I call enough ultragay |
| 01:08.48 | dudeman | HAH! |
| 01:08.50 | jpinx | where's the ultrabay hotswap stuff then? |
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| 01:09.10 | enouf | apt-get install hotswap |
| 01:09.23 | jpinx | it isn't gay - or is enouf sending me mixed messages ??? |
| 01:09.33 | jpinx | hehehe |
| 01:09.41 | enouf | you certainly did not mean cigarette ;-) |
| 01:09.53 | jpinx | does apt-cache search hotswap |
| 01:10.05 | enouf | try apt-get update prior |
| 01:10.35 | enouf | apt-cache show pkgname |
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| 01:11.09 | jpinx | I updated and upgraded a few hours ago |
| 01:11.22 | jpinx | I see it in apt-cache |
| 01:11.34 | jpinx | apt-get installs |
| 01:13.27 | jpinx | cool - grub has entered my 2nd hdd in device.map |
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| 01:17.00 | phlux | would it be possible to boot into Windows from my Laptop without having to actually shut down Linux? |
| 01:17.06 | phlux | cause that'd be awesome. |
| 01:17.11 | phlux | saw them do it on TechTV once |
| 01:17.16 | jpinx | phlux: yes |
| 01:17.22 | jpinx | use virtualbox |
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| 01:17.29 | phlux | virtualbox |
| 01:17.35 | phlux | that's not like vmware or anything is it? |
| 01:17.37 | geek | phlux: use a VM |
| 01:17.39 | geek | it is |
| 01:17.43 | phlux | bah |
| 01:17.49 | phlux | I want to boot my actual Windows partition |
| 01:17.50 | dustybin | virtualbox isnt as mature as vmware |
| 01:17.54 | geek | just rdps into a windows VM |
| 01:18.12 | geek | phlux: vmware it can do that, experimentally |
| 01:18.22 | phlux | need Windows for certain hardware components that Debian can't seem to pick up |
| 01:18.40 | jpinx | phlux - you can boot into windows and read all your windows partition |
| 01:18.44 | dustybin | as linus torvalds said 'i have no interest in virtualization' |
| 01:18.58 | phlux | jpinx, yeah, but my hardware still won't be picked up any different. |
| 01:19.01 | geek | phlux: er.. that, no |
| 01:19.14 | kingsley | When you look at http://www.nbc.com/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_Leno/video/episodes/, can you pick an episode of NBC's Tonight Show to watch, or do you just see NBC's peacock? |
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| 01:19.18 | jpinx | dustybin: I am a bit surprised at that considering the way virtual servers have taken off |
| 01:19.19 | phlux | We use card readers on base to log us in to certain things |
| 01:19.52 | dudeman | right now irssi@laptop, while me@desktop. me > ssh > laptop > screen to irssi. now I want to make an alias so when I type /php keyword it will launch links2 -g and open url for php.net and search for the keyword. how can I make this? I can't figure this out |
| 01:19.55 | jpinx | phlux - maybe you should consider doing it the other waya round- create the virtualbox in windows |
| 01:20.03 | phlux | lol, no way |
| 01:20.17 | jpinx | and run debian in teh virtualbox as a guest system |
| 01:20.18 | geek | phlux: etch or lenny? |
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| 01:20.28 | phlux | geek, lenny |
| 01:20.36 | jpinx | virtualbox runs on windows as a host |
| 01:20.37 | lecraM | noite |
| 01:20.38 | phlux | course, I can't boot any other kernel than the etchnhalf :( |
| 01:20.44 | geek | i can't suggest upgrading for better hardware support then ;p |
| 01:20.58 | geek | i thought etchnhalf was the lenny kernel for etch? |
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| 01:21.03 | phlux | it is |
| 01:21.09 | phlux | I used etch a while back |
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| 01:21.17 | phlux | when I installed lenny, etchnhalf stayed installed |
| 01:21.28 | phlux | for some reason, my Dell laptop won't boot .25 or .26 |
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| 01:22.58 | jpinx | enouf: that sample entry for menu.lst you pasted gives the long title of the kernel, but the download from ftp://debian just calls it linux |
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| 01:23.58 | enouf | jpinx: huh? |
| 01:24.23 | enouf | wtf is ftp://debian ? |
| 01:26.56 | Shadow_Master | a broken link? |
| 01:27.13 | Shadow_Master | (ftp.debian.org, presumably) |
| 01:27.20 | dasickis | what tool can i use to dim the screen? |
| 01:27.33 | enouf | dudeman: what? ==> [09:45:07] <dudeman> fuck links2 |
| 01:27.43 | enouf | O_o |
| 01:27.52 | jpinx | I'm working from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 01:29.10 | enouf | dudeman: you might want/need to make a function() (or whatever it's called), not an alias |
| 01:30.27 | jpinx | reboots - I'll be back if it works ;) |
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| 01:33.29 | dimedo | any ideas why vsftpd on pam_userdb with crypted passwords isn't working? i'm pretty sure the hashes and the db are ok, the whole thing worked when it used plaintext password, i simply regenerated the db file and set the crypted=crypted option in the pam config |
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| 01:35.38 | dudeman | enouf, oh ok |
| 01:36.22 | jpinx | bollocks |
| 01:36.51 | jpinx | still not booting into the install on hd1,0 |
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| 01:37.32 | jpinx | where do I ftp the linuz and initrd.gz files from ? |
| 01:40.30 | enouf | dudeman: fwiw, if you're having trouble using link2 -g, try just "xlink2" - also see /msg dpkg links2 settings |
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| 01:41.44 | _Fabio20 | hi |
| 01:41.47 | dudeman | hey |
| 01:42.03 | dudeman | is there a way to start a process in the bg without specifying & |
| 01:42.12 | dudeman | without doing &, can i start a process in bg? |
| 01:42.21 | _Fabio20 | i installed lenny in my desktop with ATI |
| 01:42.38 | _Fabio20 | when i installed proprietary driveres |
| 01:42.52 | _Fabio20 | when i activate compiz i cant play movies |
| 01:43.16 | enouf | jpinx: there's a few ways to attack the issue |
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| 01:43.54 | enouf | dudeman: er .. |
| 01:44.30 | enouf | dudeman: send it ^z ? :-P |
| 01:45.01 | jpinx | enouf: this source ftp://ftp.debian.de/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 01:45.34 | _Fabio20 | can i use proptietary ATI drivers and run COMPIZ and play movies at same time |
| 01:45.35 | dudeman | I can send ^z in a command? |
| 01:45.44 | jpinx | or this - http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 01:45.58 | enouf | dudeman: http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement is all i would know to point you to - try #bash also |
| 01:46.22 | enouf | jpinx: what are you doing? |
| 01:46.59 | jpinx | enouf: looking for the right files to boot into install mode on my 2nd hdd so that I can do a network install |
| 01:47.33 | jpinx | teh installation manula just tells me to put "these" files on the relevant hdd, add the lines to grub and reboot |
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| 01:47.43 | enouf | if there's a debian installation of your hotswap drive, you'll want to tell grub to chainload it's stage1.2/2.0 files when booting, from your menu.lst -- or you can trick it with the Map command, but that requires you to also install grun into the MBR of the hotswap drive |
| 01:47.45 | jpinx | but that is far short of what's needed |
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| 01:48.39 | jpinx | I have etch on my primary hdd - I want to install a fresh (slim) etch on my 2nd hdd |
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| 01:49.01 | enouf | sorry - Both types would need a MBR install of Grub and i'm incorrect about the stage1.5/2.0 files - those from the respective disks would be used |
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| 01:50.02 | jpinx | I have grub on the primary hdd and want to use that to boot into the install mode on teh 2nd hdd |
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| 01:51.00 | badf00d5 | hey folks, I'm trying to do a floppy-based net install, and after loading the boot floppy and booting the kernel, the kernel complains that it can't find a floppy driver, which is kind of odd because it just used a floppy driver to load itself |
| 01:51.09 | enouf | IOW, the hotswap drive's MBR + Stage files would be used to boot it - the difference is, with the 1st method, you're using your hd0 grub menu.lst , the 2nd method (map (hd1) (hd0) \n map (hd0) (hd1)) would bring up the menu.lst on the hotswap drive |
| 01:51.12 | badf00d5 | any suggestions? |
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| 01:52.14 | jpinx | enouf: are you saying I have to install grub on teh 2nd hdd and then make the bios boot that first? |
| 01:52.29 | jpinx | I thought grub was better than that ;) |
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| 01:52.59 | enouf | no, but that's another way :-P |
| 01:53.12 | jpinx | can it not boot me directly into the 2nd hdd? |
| 01:53.18 | dudeman | well |
| 01:53.22 | dudeman | alias php /exec ssh -C -X stoned@desktop kfmclient openProfile 'simplebrowser' http://www.php.net/ |
| 01:53.26 | dudeman | I got this far |
| 01:53.30 | badf00d5 | I've already tried multiple boot floppies |
| 01:53.38 | dudeman | now when I do /php keyword |
| 01:53.39 | enouf | can your BIOS place the hotswap drive as 1st in boot order? |
| 01:53.59 | jpinx | enouf; yes - but I didn't want to have to do that every time |
| 01:53.59 | dudeman | it says too many arguments cuz kfmclient doesnt take another argument after the 'url' part |
| 01:54.15 | Saschaa | Hi,someone here who can install vhcs or ispcp on a debian box? i pay for it, i have try it so often.. :( |
| 01:54.37 | enouf | it would be like my BIOS setup right now - i have ATAPI CDROM as 1st, but when there's no Bootable CD in the drive, it falls over to the 2nd choice in the list - the HDD ;-) |
| 01:54.41 | jpinx | when I had XP on the 2nd hdd the grub on the primary hdd happily booted the XP on teh second hdd |
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| 01:55.24 | enouf | i just haven't had to play with all that nonsense personally, otherwise i guess i'd know it better, and be able to explain it better |
| 01:55.31 | jpinx | enouf: yea - i can do the BIOS thing like that, but I wanted a less messy solution because I will be doing this alot |
| 01:55.48 | Saschaa | Hi,someone here who can install vhcs or ispcp on a debian box? i pay for it, i have try it so often.. :(............ |
| 01:55.49 | enouf | it's not messy to me |
| 01:55.56 | enouf | it's actually simpler |
| 01:56.05 | jpinx | enouf: you're doing fine - I'm going to try the mapping option in grub |
| 01:56.05 | dudeman | enouf, any ideas man |
| 01:56.27 | jpinx | dudeman: yea - drink more beer :) |
| 01:56.53 | enouf | dudeman: i believe kfmclient and such use %u %s and such |
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| 01:57.00 | jpinx | hands out free beer vouchers |
| 01:57.35 | enouf | dudeman: dudeman i bet #debian-kde would know ;-) |
| 01:58.04 | badf00d5 | nobody knows about boot floppies? |
| 01:58.14 | enouf | !bf |
| 01:58.14 | dpkg | etch floppies is, like, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 01:58.38 | enouf | hrm ... |
| 01:59.07 | badf00d5 | I know where they are |
| 01:59.43 | badf00d5 | the problem is that once I boot into the kernel, it complains that it can't find the floppy driver (which it needs to load the next stage) |
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| 01:59.49 | JyZyXEL | 2008-09-14 04:59:09: WARNING: Problem with External get '/usr/local/bin/mrtg-cpu.sh': Expected a Number for 'out' but nothing' |
| 01:59.49 | JyZyXEL | 2008-09-14 04:59:19: ERROR: Target[cpu][_OUT_] ' $target->[3]{$mode} ' did not eval into defined data |
| 01:59.59 | JyZyXEL | what the heck does that mean? |
| 02:00.03 | enouf | try switching to vt2 and "modprobe -a floppy ide-floppy" |
| 02:00.24 | JyZyXEL | Expected a Number for 'out' but nothing' <-- woot |
| 02:00.31 | enouf | well, roll an initrd then |
| 02:00.47 | enouf | you likel want netboot images, not floppy |
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| 02:01.28 | badf00d5 | enouf: is there a kernel param version of that? I don't have vts yet |
| 02:02.03 | enouf | badf00d5: oh sure - er .. modprobe.floppy=1 or similar - see tghe installation guide Boot param section |
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| 02:03.25 | badf00d5 | oh, wait |
| 02:03.30 | badf00d5 | it's a usb floppy drive |
| 02:03.38 | badf00d5 | that might be important |
| 02:06.49 | enouf | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s02.html#module-parms |
| 02:07.14 | enouf | never saw one |
| 02:07.53 | _Fabio20 | ATI + Compiz + Movie playback anyone |
| 02:07.55 | _Fabio20 | ? |
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| 02:26.19 | jpinx | still not recogising the file in hd1,0 at boottime |
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| 02:28.54 | nixfreak | can't get flash to work using iceweasel |
| 02:29.33 | nixfreak | even thought the flash.so plugin is in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 02:30.00 | nixfreak | does flash plugin work in iceweasel |
| 02:30.00 | dudeman | enouf, writing a perl script |
| 02:30.11 | dudeman | $witem->command("EXEC - ssh -C -X desktop kfmclient openProfile 'simplebrowser' http://www.php.net/".$data); |
| 02:30.24 | dudeman | 10:27 Syntax Error: Too many arguments |
| 02:30.31 | j_pinx | What am I doing wrong here? Grub now appears to read the right partition but doesn't recognise the filename. Any ideas anyone? |
| 02:30.55 | dudeman | I think its becuase of a space. It is putting a space between php.net/ and $data. Anyone know how to prevent that? |
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| 02:33.21 | unop | dudeman, is that perl? |
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| 02:34.54 | Kovensky | dudeman: you're sure there isn't an initial space in $data? |
| 02:34.58 | Kovensky | is guessing, knows nothing about perl |
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| 02:36.10 | snude | hi |
| 02:36.15 | snude | i have my alsadrivers configured. i can listen to music. what program will let me record in mp3 format from the microphone. |
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| 02:43.07 | enouf | dudeman: why are you invoking anything kde anyway? |
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| 02:43.59 | enouf | dudeman: no more links2? otherwise add links2 to file assoc (text/html, etc), in control center |
| 02:44.05 | enouf | j_pinx: what? |
| 02:44.12 | enouf | what filename? |
| 02:44.35 | j_pinx | vmlinuz |
| 02:44.56 | enouf | snude: pretty sure audacity will once you install lame |
| 02:45.03 | enouf | snude: from dmm |
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| 02:45.11 | enouf | snude: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 02:45.32 | enouf | j_pinx: that's the kernel |
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| 02:45.45 | shelby | hey guys, how do i install gimp 2.4 in debian etch? |
| 02:46.02 | j_pinx | enouf: yea - but it's not seen by grub:( |
| 02:46.05 | shelby | i did sudo apt-get install gimp but it only installed 2.2 which sucks :( |
| 02:46.14 | enouf | j_pinx: why not? |
| 02:46.22 | j_pinx | !tell shelby about backports |
| 02:46.46 | j_pinx | enouf: dunno - grub doesn't give verbose errors at boot time |
| 02:46.50 | shelby | ok, so you want me to...? |
| 02:47.00 | shelby | add a repository? |
| 02:47.04 | enouf | j_pinx: well, does it say anything? |
| 02:47.24 | j_pinx | enouf: is says " file not found" |
| 02:47.53 | j_pinx | shelby: you need to check if the version you want is available at backports.org |
| 02:47.55 | enouf | shelby: follow the instructs dpkg told you - maybe make sure that 2.4 is even there first |
| 02:48.08 | shelby | ok.. |
| 02:48.16 | shelby | man, debians wimpy repos have got me crying :( |
| 02:48.21 | enouf | j_pinx: when does it say that? |
| 02:48.31 | enouf | j_pinx: show me your entire menu.lst |
| 02:48.43 | enouf | shelby: use windows |
| 02:48.47 | shelby | i switched from arch, and when i tried to install something from the repo from arch, it worked 90% of the time, now it only works like 5 :(* |
| 02:48.49 | j_pinx | shelby: if it is, add the lines to sources.list and do the apt-get with -t backports |
| 02:48.57 | shelby | salrighty |
| 02:49.00 | j_pinx | enouf: k |
| 02:49.07 | _Fabio20 | fglrx + compiz + movie playback at same time it is possible |
| 02:49.09 | _Fabio20 | ? |
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| 02:49.27 | enouf | ask fglrx |
| 02:49.42 | enouf | erm, maybe ask #compiz-fusion |
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| 02:49.52 | forces | \o |
| 02:50.03 | enouf | the 3D binary blobs shouldn't hinder movie playback |
| 02:50.25 | enouf | forces forces to raise his other arm as well |
| 02:50.27 | enouf | \o/ |
| 02:50.43 | forces | /o |
| 02:51.00 | enouf | \o\, |o| , /o/ |
| 02:51.17 | j_pinx | http://rafb.net/p/ggwfvo85.html |
| 02:51.26 | j_pinx | enouf: ^^ |
| 02:51.34 | forces | (o) |
| 02:51.58 | enouf | 1st off change default 0 to something sane |
| 02:53.03 | j_pinx | what is a sane entry there? |
| 02:53.03 | enouf | j_pinx: (sd0) is not valid grub syntax |
| 02:53.13 | enouf | j_pinx: 20 or so - it's in seconds |
| 02:53.40 | enouf | j_pinx: (sd0) != /dev/sdX |
| 02:53.52 | enouf | j_pinx: (sd0) == nothing to grub |
| 02:53.58 | j_pinx | what does this default do? |
| 02:54.16 | enouf | time before the menu boots the default choice |
| 02:54.46 | enouf | j_pinx: FFS!!! --> # Set a timeout, in SEC seconds, before automatically booting the default entry |
| 02:54.57 | enouf | j_pinx: you're pissing me off now |
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| 02:56.02 | j_pinx | my timeout is 9 seconds |
| 02:56.15 | j_pinx | that's the second entry |
| 02:56.44 | enouf | j_pinx: oh crap - i'm sorry |
| 02:56.53 | enouf | my apologies - BIG brainfart |
| 02:56.56 | j_pinx | default appears to be the OS it defaults to |
| 02:56.59 | j_pinx | :p |
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| 02:57.00 | enouf | yes |
| 02:57.01 | j_pinx | np |
| 02:57.08 | enouf | that's right .. |
| 02:57.17 | enouf | but .. you're still pissing me off :-P |
| 02:57.45 | enouf | j_pinx: where the F did you get (sd0) from? stop that |
| 02:58.32 | enouf | i mean --> Microsoft Windows XP Pro on 2nd hdd - mapped to 1st hdd Mapping works fine, right? |
| 02:58.48 | enouf | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 02:58.57 | enouf | map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 02:59.06 | j_pinx | sd0 was an attempt to make grub mess with the bios and allow me to boot from a usb stick |
| 02:59.19 | j_pinx | yep - the mapping worked |
| 02:59.25 | enouf | j_pinx: does your BIOS allow booting from USB? |
| 02:59.29 | j_pinx | no |
| 02:59.34 | enouf | hahaha |
| 02:59.46 | enouf | BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 02:59.50 | j_pinx | this old laptop bios doesn't boot from USB |
| 03:00.07 | enouf | but .. you're attempting to boot from a USB key? |
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| 03:00.33 | j_pinx | it's an entry I can play with, but it's not the problem at the moment |
| 03:00.39 | enouf | j_pinx: you'd need some memdisk magic to pull that off |
| 03:01.00 | enouf | j_pinx: so - is that a USB 1.1 system? |
| 03:01.12 | j_pinx | sure - I know it's a long-shot, but it's for a rainy day when I want to experiment |
| 03:01.18 | j_pinx | yea - it's USB 1.1 |
| 03:01.37 | enouf | j_pinx: i tell you what - maybe i'll go buy a 5$ USB key and do it myself i also have systems that don't boot from USB) |
| 03:01.57 | j_pinx | but the real problem is the entry - "title New Install Etch" |
| 03:02.05 | enouf | no it isn' |
| 03:02.07 | enouf | no it isn't |
| 03:02.21 | enouf | that matters nothing |
| 03:02.37 | j_pinx | I don't use the other entries apart from the etchnhalf and windows2000 |
| 03:02.45 | j_pinx | they are for testing things out |
| 03:02.45 | enouf | that's for your enjoyment when menu.lst comes up |
| 03:03.39 | j_pinx | I select New Etch Install, and it appears to recognise the partition ok, but doesn't find the kernel |
| 03:03.57 | enouf | that's all grub does |
| 03:05.13 | j_pinx | ls /mnt/hdc1/boot/newinstall/Etch |
| 03:05.13 | j_pinx | boot.img.gz initrd.gz old vmlinuz |
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| 03:05.32 | enouf | you might be able to get away with the other method i mentioned -- way up there -- before you ever mentioned your sysytemn's INABILITY to boot from usb |
| 03:05.55 | j_pinx | forget the USB boot - I'm not using that |
| 03:06.01 | enouf | yes you are |
| 03:06.10 | j_pinx | I want to boot into INSTALL on teh 2nd IDE hdd |
| 03:06.31 | enouf | "boot to install" ? |
| 03:06.51 | enouf | you can use debootstrap to install from an existing installation |
| 03:06.54 | j_pinx | I have 2 IDE hdd's and a USB - I am trying to boot into install on the 2nd IDE HDD |
| 03:07.16 | enouf | "boot into install" means what? |
| 03:07.24 | j_pinx | I am following the installation manual |
| 03:07.34 | j_pinx | but it's lead me up a blind alley |
| 03:07.42 | enouf | dude - i can't take this gibberish now - sorry |
| 03:08.25 | j_pinx | well someone needs to rewrite that f8ing installation manual |
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| 03:08.35 | enouf | have at it |
| 03:08.39 | j_pinx | it's screwed |
| 03:08.46 | enouf | and so are you |
| 03:09.35 | dudeman | enouf, you know perl? |
| 03:09.39 | dudeman | http://pastebin.com/d1ead30ac |
| 03:09.44 | enouf | we WERE talking about booting a hotswap drive bay for a craptop - then somehow we ended up on some USB shit |
| 03:09.45 | dudeman | having some trouble with this script |
| 03:09.52 | enouf | dudeman: not at all |
| 03:09.52 | dudeman | DUDE |
| 03:09.54 | dudeman | you suck |
| 03:09.56 | dudeman | go learn perl |
| 03:09.57 | dudeman | lol |
| 03:10.12 | dudeman | you hapless techno weenie |
| 03:10.13 | dudeman | !! |
| 03:10.14 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 03:10.15 | enouf | dudeman: yes, i do suck - nice udders ;-) |
| 03:10.20 | dudeman | heh |
| 03:10.43 | dudeman | $witem->command("EXEC - ssh -C -X desktop kfmclient openURL http://www.php.net/$data"); <-- does not append $data to it |
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| 03:10.51 | dudeman | its going just directly to php.net |
| 03:10.53 | enouf | dudeman: try ##linux-coders (or ##linux or #perl) |
| 03:10.56 | dudeman | fuckin pissin me off |
| 03:10.58 | dudeman | im in perl |
| 03:11.02 | dudeman | i'll try the others |
| 03:11.03 | dudeman | thanks |
| 03:11.09 | dudeman | however |
| 03:11.22 | enouf | dudeman: btw - why kfmclient at all? |
| 03:11.37 | enouf | dudeman: shouldn't desktop be dcop ? |
| 03:11.38 | dudeman | alias php exec - kfmclient openURL http://www.php.net/$- |
| 03:11.44 | dudeman | enouf, yes |
| 03:11.47 | dudeman | irssi == laptop |
| 03:11.51 | dudeman | kfmclient == deskto |
| 03:11.55 | dudeman | irssi == server no X |
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| 03:12.03 | dudeman | and links2 and others can't do css |
| 03:12.07 | dudeman | and wheni look up php function |
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| 03:12.09 | enouf | dudeman: this is very minimal - http://WWW.sabi.co.UK/Notes/linuxKDE.html |
| 03:12.16 | dudeman | i see along list of bullshit before i ge to function docs |
| 03:12.18 | enouf | what did #debain-kde say? |
| 03:12.25 | dudeman | so either i need aminimal browser that can display css |
| 03:12.33 | dudeman | or i need to contact my deskto to launch the browser |
| 03:12.39 | dudeman | enouf, its not a kde issue |
| 03:12.40 | enouf | right, no CSS on links2 -- ok |
| 03:12.41 | dudeman | its a perl issue |
| 03:12.45 | enouf | but maybe elinks does it |
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| 03:12.52 | dudeman | i doubt it i'll try |
| 03:13.03 | enouf | you said the Command line was too long or someshit |
| 03:13.07 | enouf | args |
| 03:13.09 | dudeman | no |
| 03:13.10 | dudeman | here |
| 03:13.18 | dudeman | my ($data, $server, $witem) = @_; |
| 03:13.27 | dudeman | $data =~ s/^\s+//; //trim whitespace |
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| 03:13.40 | dudeman | $witem->command("EXEC - ssh -C -X desktop kfmclient openURL http://www.php.net/".$data); |
| 03:14.07 | unop | dudeman, try logging the command |
| 03:14.08 | dudeman | now the problem is that it procduces http://www.php.net/<space>$data instead of http://www.php.net/$data |
| 03:14.22 | enouf | i don't know man - i'm just a musician you dumbass |
| 03:14.29 | dudeman | the space makes kfmclient give error about too many arguments |
| 03:14.33 | dudeman | it only takes two arguments |
| 03:14.37 | unop | dudeman, and quote your line to command() properly |
| 03:14.46 | dudeman | unop, how do you mean? |
| 03:14.51 | enouf | dudeman: this guy knows his shit |
| 03:14.56 | dudeman | yes he doe |
| 03:15.00 | dudeman | i know he helps me in perl |
| 03:15.01 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:15.03 | dudeman | #perl |
| 03:15.18 | unop | dudeman, put $data within the quotes |
| 03:15.19 | dudeman | (the problem is I only started scripting in perl about 20 minutes ago) |
| 03:15.21 | enouf | i can't be in every channel sweety |
| 03:15.21 | dudeman | I know next to nothing |
| 03:15.37 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:15.48 | dudeman | $witem->command("EXEC - ssh -C -X desktop kfmclient openURL http://www.php.net/.$data); |
| 03:15.52 | dudeman | doh |
| 03:15.54 | enouf | no |
| 03:16.01 | dudeman | http://www.php.net/$data" |
| 03:16.03 | enouf | make a space you weenie |
| 03:16.09 | dudeman | http://www.php.net/.$data" |
| 03:16.12 | unop | dudeman, minus that . |
| 03:16.14 | dudeman | . is contact right? |
| 03:16.19 | dudeman | or is that php only |
| 03:16.19 | enouf | unless you don't want one |
| 03:16.20 | dudeman | oh ok |
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| 03:16.32 | dudeman | alright trying out now |
| 03:16.33 | unop | dudeman, it's in perl too - but not if you quote your text |
| 03:16.38 | dudeman | ahh |
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| 03:16.52 | dudeman | so what its ""."" |
| 03:17.00 | unop | dudeman, it's concatenation not contact |
| 03:17.02 | dudeman | is there a space between the two when its processed? |
| 03:17.08 | dudeman | oh i said contact |
| 03:17.09 | dudeman | lol |
| 03:17.13 | dudeman | I meant to type concat |
| 03:17.15 | dudeman | haha |
| 03:17.24 | enouf | slowdown man |
| 03:17.34 | Somni | perl -wle '$data = "DATA HERE"; print "http://www.php.net/$data"; print "http://www.php.net/ $data";' |
| 03:17.38 | Somni | compare and contrast |
| 03:17.45 | enouf | boot a hotswap drive or something |
| 03:17.57 | dudeman | http://www.php.net/DATA HERE |
| 03:17.58 | dudeman | http://www.php.net/ DATA HERE |
| 03:17.59 | dudeman | see |
| 03:18.05 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:18.06 | dudeman | lets try |
| 03:18.30 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.43 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:18.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:19.22 | _Fabio20 | video output X11 is good? |
| 03:19.22 | _Fabio20 | is video output x11 good |
| 03:19.22 | enouf | _Fabio20: xv |
| 03:19.22 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 03:19.27 | enouf | -vo xv |
| 03:19.31 | enouf | is best |
| 03:19.36 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:19.46 | enouf | _Fabio20: install and run xvinfo if you have issues |
| 03:19.46 | dudeman | my statement goes directly to php.net |
| 03:19.50 | _Fabio20 | enouf xv dont work with my ati with compis |
| 03:19.51 | dudeman | let me try enouf variation |
| 03:20.05 | enouf | _Fabio20: oh well - see mplayer docs - try SDL ? |
| 03:20.17 | dudeman | nope |
| 03:20.25 | _Fabio20 | i use SMPLAYER enouf |
| 03:20.29 | dudeman | both go directly to php.net |
| 03:20.39 | _Fabio20 | and i use ati with fglrg |
| 03:20.58 | enouf | _Fabio20: there might be certain config options you can add to xorg.conf - dunno - try #mplayer - try #xorg |
| 03:21.09 | _Fabio20 | but when i cant play movies with xv |
| 03:21.12 | unop | dudeman, maybe this? $witem->command(qq[exec - ssh -C -X desktop 'xdg-open "http://www.php.net/$data"']); |
| 03:21.14 | enouf | _Fabio20: i don't know what smplayer is |
| 03:21.17 | _Fabio20 | when i run compiz |
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| 03:21.26 | _Fabio20 | smplayer is a frontend of mplayer |
| 03:21.49 | WormFood | merry Mid-Autumn Festival (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-autumn_festival for those who don't know what it is) |
| 03:21.59 | dudeman | unop, what is xdg-open? what is qq[]? |
| 03:22.15 | enouf | _Fabio20: i've never used compiz nor fglrx |
| 03:22.22 | _Fabio20 | enouf i cant play movies with xv when i run compiz is x11 a good alternative |
| 03:22.26 | unop | dudeman, whatis xdg-open |
| 03:22.27 | unop | xdg-open (1) - opens a file or URL in the user's preferred application |
| 03:22.33 | enouf | but i do use mplayer + -vo xv |
| 03:22.36 | dudeman | _Fabio20, you need to get the patch |
| 03:22.48 | unop | dudeman, qq[] is quoting like with "" |
| 03:22.52 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:22.52 | enouf | _Fabio20: x11 is much slower |
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| 03:23.07 | enouf | _Fabio20: man mplayer will tell you all about it |
| 03:23.12 | _Fabio20 | patch enoug? |
| 03:23.15 | enouf | as do the DOCs |
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| 03:23.20 | _Fabio20 | patch enouf? |
| 03:23.26 | _Fabio20 | what patch |
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| 03:23.40 | enouf | wrong nick man |
| 03:24.00 | dudeman | there is a vo_xv.patch you need to appy |
| 03:24.02 | dudeman | rebuilt mplayer |
| 03:24.09 | dudeman | and it will work inside compiz with xv |
| 03:24.16 | enouf | omg |
| 03:24.23 | dudeman | or you can use x11 with ~/.mplayer/config entry zoom=yes |
| 03:24.26 | dudeman | otherwise no zoom |
| 03:24.30 | dudeman | enouf, what? |
| 03:24.44 | enouf | i've built mplayer a hundred times from svn, all fail |
| 03:25.01 | dudeman | unop, doesn't work either |
| 03:25.06 | dudeman | enouf, heh |
| 03:25.11 | dudeman | why svn? |
| 03:25.18 | enouf | and they fail an HOUR into the compile on libavcodec shit and h264 |
| 03:25.28 | dudeman | just get the deb-src of mplayer from marillat, patch it, dpkg-buildpackage it |
| 03:25.32 | dudeman | and yer good to go |
| 03:25.33 | _Fabio20 | is x11 much worse than xv? |
| 03:25.37 | enouf | i tried everything - even j0'm0mma |
| 03:25.37 | unop | dudeman, "doesn't work" doesn't tell me much |
| 03:25.45 | dudeman | sorry unop |
| 03:25.54 | dudeman | unop, I meant that it goes directly to php.net main page |
| 03:26.02 | enouf | _Fabio20: yes, build from dmm debian sources then |
| 03:26.05 | dudeman | as if it isn't even seeing the /$data part |
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| 03:26.38 | enouf | _Fabio20: hang on - i'm EXTEREMELY familiar with all the mplayer build options - atleast from svn |
| 03:26.40 | jpinx | is booted into install on the laptop :P |
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| 03:27.06 | dudeman | enouf, EXTREMELY! eh :) |
| 03:27.06 | dudeman | heh old man walkin |
| 03:27.06 | enouf | _Fabio20: i never had to mess with xv though - it was auto magic |
| 03:27.06 | dudeman | steals enouf's cane |
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| 03:27.21 | enouf | pokes dudeman with his taser cane |
| 03:27.22 | dudeman | _Fabio20, you may wish to ask #compiz-fusion also |
| 03:27.27 | dudeman | taser cane |
| 03:27.30 | dudeman | man ther aint no such thing |
| 03:27.32 | dudeman | shaddup |
| 03:27.36 | enouf | dudeman: scroll up you fool |
| 03:27.40 | dudeman | for? |
| 03:27.43 | enouf | i told him that |
| 03:27.47 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:27.49 | dudeman | huh? |
| 03:27.53 | unop | dudeman, maybe using the right URL? $witem->command(qq[exec - ssh -C -X desktop 'xdg-open "http://uk2.php.net/manual-lookup.php?pattern=$data&lang=en"']); |
| 03:27.55 | dudeman | told who what? |
| 03:28.13 | dudeman | unop, I figured php.net/keyword is all you need |
| 03:28.55 | dudeman | unop, /alias php /exec - ssh -C -X desktop 'kfmclient openURL "http://www.php.net/$- <-- /php print_r goes to php.net/print_r |
| 03:29.00 | dudeman | unop, but I'll try that too! |
| 03:29.15 | unop | dudeman, log the url then -- put the contents of $data into a file, see what exactly is happening |
| 03:29.21 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:29.26 | dudeman | until then I'll make do with the alias |
| 03:29.34 | dudeman | I just wanted to write a script and upload on irssi.org |
| 03:29.47 | dudeman | of course i'll make it with options |
| 03:29.50 | dudeman | u can /set diff stuff |
| 03:29.54 | dudeman | but for nwo i gotta get the query right |
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| 03:30.09 | dudeman | unop, i'll bug you later when I have more information about what you requrie |
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| 03:30.16 | dudeman | thank you very much for your help |
| 03:30.25 | dudeman | I'll be in #perl |
| 03:30.38 | fabio_ | can i run movies in xv with compiz and with proprietary driver |
| 03:30.47 | dudeman | fabio_, #compiz-fusion! |
| 03:30.50 | dudeman | go ask em |
| 03:30.55 | dudeman | they are let me guess |
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| 03:30.59 | dudeman | compiz-fusion experts |
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| 03:31.09 | fabio_ | thanks for help |
| 03:31.09 | unop | dudeman, put something like this in the script. `echo $data > /tmp/data.log` |
| 03:31.16 | dudeman | who deal with prop. drivers, xv/x11, and compiz-fusion ALL DAY LONG |
| 03:31.23 | unop | dudeman, then check /tmp/data.log out |
| 03:31.27 | dudeman | unop, ok |
| 03:32.06 | enouf | _Fabio20: sorry mate - i can't be bothered - i wiped ALL of the source bullshit that failed to compile - you basically do (once you obtain debian dmm mplayer source) DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--enable-this --enable-that .... " fakeroot debain/rules binary |
| 03:32.11 | enouf | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--enable-smb --enable-live --enable-cdparanoia --enable-menu --disable-macosx --enable-rpath --enable-gif --enable-png --enable-jpeg --enable-theora --enable-faad --enable-faad-fixed --enable-xmms --enable-libdca --with-vidix-drivers=nvidia --enable-dhahelper --enable-svgalib_helper --enable-gl --enable-vesa --enable-svga --enable-sdl --enable-aa --enable-caca --enable-directx --enable-xv --enable-xvmc --enable-vm |
| 03:32.11 | enouf | --enable-xinerama --enable-x11 --enable-fbdev --enable-directfb --enable-runtime-cpudetection --target=i686-linux --enable-mmx --enable-mmxext --enable-shm --enable-profile --enable-crash-debug --enable-dynamic-plugins --enable-alsa --enable-openal --enable-jack |
| 03:32.14 | enouf | --with-extraincdir=/usr/include/directfb:/usr/include/xorg:/home/stompthebozo/LAME/lame-3.96.1/lame-3.96.1:/usr/include/pixman-1:/usr/include/xcb:/usr/include/drm:/usr/include/X11:/usr/include/X11/Xaw/:/usr/include/X11/fonts:/usr/include/X11/extensions:/usr/include/GL:/usr/include/GL/internal:/usr/include/X11/dri:/usr/include/freetype2/freetype:/usr/include/X11/Xtrans:/usr/include/hal:/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-common/include/video" fa |
| 03:32.19 | enouf | debian/rules binary |
| 03:32.21 | enouf | omg |
| 03:32.23 | enouf | sorry |
| 03:32.27 | Somni | use Data::Dumper; $Data::Dumper::Useqq = $Data::Dumper::Terse = 1; Irssi::print(Dumper($data)) |
| 03:32.28 | dudeman | whoah |
| 03:32.35 | Somni | simpler than saving it to an external file |
| 03:32.38 | enouf | but i see --> --enable-xv |
| 03:32.43 | enouf | O_O |
| 03:32.44 | unop | wonders why debhelper took exception to that |
| 03:32.51 | dudeman | Somni, too complex for me |
| 03:32.57 | enouf | makes up for all the dudeman tardisms |
| 03:33.00 | dudeman | Somni, i have been scripting in perl for exactly 35 minutes |
| 03:33.01 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:33.02 | enouf | in one paste :-P |
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| 03:33.22 | Somni | dudeman: you copy and paste that line wherever you want to examine $data, there's no complexity involved |
| 03:33.34 | dudeman | AHH |
| 03:33.36 | dudeman | data is blank |
| 03:33.40 | dudeman | thats why it goes to main php page |
| 03:33.47 | dudeman | $data returns NOTHING! |
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| 03:34.11 | dudeman | http://pastebin.com/d6b02a1da |
| 03:34.27 | dudeman | $data =~ s/^\s+//; <-- you don't think this is fucking it up |
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| 03:34.31 | dudeman | I was trying to remove whitespace |
| 03:34.35 | dudeman | but since data is next t / |
| 03:34.42 | dudeman | it totally fucked it up |
| 03:34.48 | dudeman | let me try again |
| 03:34.52 | unop | dudeman, silly, where is $data being defined? |
| 03:35.07 | unop | dudeman, maybe you meant to use $query instead |
| 03:35.14 | dudeman | oh |
| 03:35.16 | dudeman | godo god |
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| 03:35.18 | dudeman | I'm a fuckig moron |
| 03:35.19 | unop | dudeman, use strict; use warnings; |
| 03:35.20 | dudeman | :( |
| 03:35.23 | dudeman | heh |
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| 03:35.28 | dudeman | using the wrong variable |
| 03:35.29 | dudeman | ! |
| 03:35.30 | dudeman | hahahaha |
| 03:35.50 | jpinx | the PCMCIA ethernet card is not being recognised by the installer - but it works when I boot into the other hdd. WHat gives? |
| 03:35.52 | enouf | _Fabio20: don't let that paste scare you - actually, almost NONE of those specified options are needed (almsot everything is [autodetect]) |
| 03:35.54 | unop | dudeman, the first rule of the thumb when programming perl - use strict; use warnings; |
| 03:36.08 | craigevil | stupid question, how do i create a new user account so my kids have their own login |
| 03:36.29 | craigevil | is it just adduser? |
| 03:36.33 | dudeman | hey |
| 03:36.36 | dudeman | it works now |
| 03:36.39 | dudeman | unop, what is that |
| 03:36.42 | dudeman | strict;warnings? |
| 03:36.54 | dudeman | like the php show E_ALL |
| 03:36.58 | dudeman | like show all erros verbose? |
| 03:37.10 | dudeman | sorry guys! |
| 03:37.11 | unop | dudeman, they are perl pragmas - to help you catch silly errors like this one |
| 03:37.15 | dudeman | ahh |
| 03:37.23 | jpinx | craigevil: adduser |
| 03:37.23 | dudeman | yeh hey thanks I'm so sorry for having wate dyour time |
| 03:37.33 | dudeman | I just used wrong variable name but i did it all correctly |
| 03:37.36 | dudeman | cool |
| 03:37.39 | dudeman | so I'm not a total moron :D |
| 03:37.48 | DanDare | craigevil, yeah adduser will do the job. Using the computer for the family is nice if system boot directly onto some window manager |
| 03:37.55 | Sling | Haikus are easy |
| 03:37.55 | Sling | But sometimes they dont make sense |
| 03:37.55 | Sling | Refrigerator |
| 03:38.03 | Sling | :> |
| 03:38.19 | craigevil | thanks jpinx i thought that was it but i wasnt sure |
| 03:38.32 | enouf | _Fabio20: now, "/msg dpkg build package" and "/msg dpkg dmm" and "/msg dpkg debian/rules" |
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| 03:39.17 | Ward1983 | how do i downgrade packages? |
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| 03:39.25 | enouf | craigevil: defaults are in /etc/default/useradd |
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| 03:39.37 | enouf | craigevil: and useradd can be used |
| 03:40.00 | enouf | !downgrade |
| 03:40.00 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 03:40.30 | Ward1983 | enouf, is there no way? :s |
| 03:40.34 | craigevil | why would you want to downgrade? :) |
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| 03:41.07 | Ward1983 | craigevil, enouf ¨With Xorg server, the touchscreen worked partially because of a driver problem. |
| 03:41.07 | Ward1983 | The solution was too downgrade the debian SID package "xserver-xorg-core", "xf86-input-evtouch", "xserver-xorg-input-evdev" and "xserver-xorg-video-fbdev"¨ |
| 03:41.23 | Ward1983 | so how did he do that |
| 03:41.24 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 03:41.27 | enouf | unop: debhelper <3s me. that's why ;) |
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| 03:42.04 | Ward1983 | hes talking about ARM EABI sid btw |
| 03:42.30 | enouf | find all it's dependencies and start the process |
| 03:42.45 | enouf | no wonder he didn't explain "how" |
| 03:42.53 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 03:43.11 | craigevil | you can use synaptic to downgrade but its not even close to being safe |
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| 03:43.22 | Ward1983 | ahaaaa |
| 03:43.33 | craigevil | ive done it before when a sid package was broke and testings still worked |
| 03:43.35 | Ward1983 | but he tested it so... |
| 03:43.37 | enouf | Ward1983: you can foce install older pkgs, that's all i will say |
| 03:43.45 | enouf | s/foce/force |
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| 03:44.06 | Ward1983 | well i really need decent touchscreen support and i only experiment with that install (its on my PDA) |
| 03:44.15 | Ward1983 | might aswell try it :) |
| 03:44.27 | Ward1983 | i can allways rool back i make a nackup in advance |
| 03:45.04 | enouf | dude, the only thing i know about touchscreen is it took me a long time to hunt doen that fucken compaq module and blacklist that prick |
| 03:45.15 | enouf | the tsc one |
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| 03:45.30 | enouf | as far as gadgets? flush them |
| 03:45.45 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:45.49 | dudeman | unop, one more thing |
| 03:46.04 | dudeman | when I type /php in irssi window, I get output 11:44 kbuildsycoca running... |
| 03:46.06 | dudeman | 11:44 Launched ok, pid = 26305 |
| 03:46.07 | enouf | dudeman: show me the working line |
| 03:46.09 | dudeman | etc. etc. |
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| 03:46.11 | dudeman | enouf, hang on |
| 03:46.23 | dudeman | is there a way to suppress all these messages from irssi? |
| 03:46.25 | enouf | GAH - kCokeHead |
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| 03:46.33 | dudeman | I tried exec - |
| 03:46.44 | enouf | use 2>/dev/null |
| 03:46.47 | dudeman | according to documentation - is for supressing stuff from exec |
| 03:46.52 | dudeman | enouf, ehh ok |
| 03:48.32 | dudeman | 11:47 syntax error at (eval 1261) line 25, near "/dev/null " |
| 03:48.42 | dudeman | enouf, $witem->command("exec - ssh -C -X desktop kfmclient openURL http://www.php.net/$query"."&2>/dev/null" ); |
| 03:48.51 | enouf | well .. |
| 03:48.55 | dudeman | it works |
| 03:48.56 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:49.01 | enouf | heh |
| 03:49.03 | dudeman | freaking quotes n shit |
| 03:49.05 | dudeman | gah i hate linux |
| 03:49.33 | unop | dudeman, you've an extraneous & there |
| 03:49.43 | enouf | so that .$data was all bullshit? |
| 03:49.57 | dudeman | enouf, unop, FINAL SCRIPT= http://pastebin.com/m7c1a5a48 |
| 03:50.07 | dudeman | everything works just as intended |
| 03:50.15 | dudeman | now I must make it configurable |
| 03:50.26 | dudeman | let the use decide which browser he wants to launch |
| 03:50.27 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:50.29 | unop | dudeman, errm, http://pastebin.com/d44c4c9ce |
| 03:50.48 | dudeman | unop, ? |
| 03:50.56 | unop | dudeman, xdg-open will open the user's preferred browser |
| 03:51.17 | dudeman | &2>/dev/null vs. 2>/dev/null |
| 03:51.21 | dudeman | whats the difference? |
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| 03:51.37 | dudeman | unop, its debian-sensible-browser isn't it |
| 03:51.38 | dudeman | ? |
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| 03:52.04 | dudeman | I see |
| 03:52.09 | dudeman | ok that is helpful |
| 03:52.14 | dudeman | i can have that as an option |
| 03:52.17 | dudeman | system default |
| 03:52.23 | unop | dudeman, xdg-open is available on all freedesktop compatible 'desktops' |
| 03:52.23 | dudeman | ok cool |
| 03:52.29 | dudeman | unop, i just researched it |
| 03:52.34 | dudeman | thanks man I really appreciate yoru help |
| 03:52.38 | dudeman | now I must drink my pag |
| 03:52.53 | enouf | unop: while you're around, may i ask about something i wrote (a sh script) vs an alternative ? check out mine + the alt -- for me, the alternative is extermely boken, but i don't know why http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=MPlayer_youtube_script |
| 03:52.53 | dudeman | I made a pag of johnnie walker red label, coke, ice |
| 03:52.54 | dudeman | :D |
| 03:53.12 | enouf | s/boken/broken |
| 03:53.22 | dudeman | nine inch nails - broken. |
| 03:53.34 | unop | dudeman, &2>/dev/null sends the job into the background then sends STDERR to the bitbucket |
| 03:53.46 | unop | dudeman, which is unnecessary |
| 03:53.49 | dudeman | i see |
| 03:53.52 | dudeman | I thought it was |
| 03:53.58 | dudeman | ws reading bash redirection |
| 03:54.30 | enouf | dudeman: also, note &> covers all output in most cases - 2> is only stderr |
| 03:54.37 | dudeman | yes |
| 03:54.39 | dudeman | i reading |
| 03:54.40 | dudeman | :) |
| 03:54.45 | dudeman | np: [Michael Jackson] - [] - [Billy Jean] - [Pop] - [4:54m] - [0] - [6/6] |
| 03:54.47 | dudeman | oops |
| 03:54.50 | dudeman | is listening to Michael Jackson - Billy Jean |
| 03:54.51 | dudeman | ugh |
| 03:54.53 | dudeman | STOP! |
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| 03:55.10 | unop | dudeman, enouf &2> is not the same as &> |
| 03:55.28 | enouf | unop: that i would guess - even though i don't know |
| 03:55.50 | enouf | unop: and ... he messed up ;-) |
| 03:55.57 | dudeman | 11:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #debian was synced in 46 secs |
| 03:56.00 | enouf | i never added a & |
| 03:56.03 | enouf | he did |
| 03:56.12 | dudeman | damn! that is a long time. Freenode has gotten slower lately has it not? A bit laggy |
| 03:57.03 | unop | enouf, tell me briefly what this script does? |
| 03:57.07 | enouf | it's laggy |
| 03:57.18 | unop | enouf, parses html and extracts the url to the flash video ? |
| 03:57.30 | enouf | unop: yes - indeed |
| 03:58.07 | jair | does anyone use... linux ha? |
| 03:58.11 | dudeman | ok |
| 03:58.16 | enouf | it basically does what youtube-dl (in python) and pipes it to mplayer |
| 03:58.16 | dudeman | so I modify it then? |
| 03:58.32 | dudeman | $witem->command("exec - ssh -C -X desktop kfmclient openURL http://www.php.net/$query" 2>/dev/null); |
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| 03:58.35 | dudeman | ? |
| 03:59.27 | dudeman | doh |
| 03:59.31 | dudeman | wrong quotations |
| 03:59.39 | enouf | unop: it goes to a http://youtube.com?X12224735 link and grabs the real fullScreenURL to the actual FLV file, then pipes it to mplayer |
| 04:00.03 | enouf | but the way it is there- allows you to pass mplayer extra -options as well |
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| 04:01.01 | unop | enouf, hmm, the alternative looks shaky .. do you have to use it? :) |
| 04:01.03 | enouf | unop: though you can see, some chopping of that line is needed and then appended to a always present video_id= version of the youtube URL |
| 04:01.20 | enouf | unop: not at all - i use mine ;-) |
| 04:01.22 | dudeman | unop, what do you do? |
| 04:01.26 | dudeman | unop, for a living? |
| 04:02.02 | jpinx | gave up that attempt at installing :-/ |
| 04:02.04 | enouf | unop: can you click the link == about see http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=Talk:MPlayer_youtube_script |
| 04:02.04 | unop | dudeman, i'm a student presently - but i used to support microsoft windows networks |
| 04:02.15 | enouf | ... |
| 04:02.24 | unop | enouf, i'm there |
| 04:02.37 | enouf | you did NOT learn MPoop as your basis of knowledge |
| 04:03.06 | enouf | jpinx: you need some reading .. ;-) |
| 04:03.37 | enouf | jpinx: and/or understanding .. sorry - i read a lot and still don't understand |
| 04:04.49 | jpinx | enouf: I got it to boot and load the kernel and find an installer, but it failed to recognise this PCMCIA ethernet card |
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| 04:05.19 | dudeman | hey guys http://pastebin.com/d44c4c9ce <-- phpsearch.pl script that I am working on. I just finalized the query, now I will make it user configurable, so that users can decide which browser they want to load, and on which machine, local or remote. Does anyone have any other ideas or suggesstions? |
| 04:05.41 | dudeman | jpinx, hey ol timer |
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| 04:05.44 | dudeman | whats goin on |
| 04:06.04 | enouf | unop: one sec .. i will show you what i actually use (the orig created by myself + n3kl really) then you can see some mods we made + the diffs with the alternative there = http://pastebin.ca/raw/1202291 |
| 04:06.17 | unop | enouf, can i suggest this? perl -lne 'print $1 if /fullscreenurl.*video_id=(\w+)/i' html_file |
| 04:06.33 | dudeman | unop, how old are you? |
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| 04:06.41 | jpinx | dudeman: just doing some install shit that isn't happening for me |
| 04:06.50 | dudeman | unop, I'm 28 and all I did my entire life was smoke weed and play guitar (and with myself) |
| 04:06.53 | unop | dudeman, 25 |
| 04:06.59 | unop | heh |
| 04:07.01 | dudeman | :) |
| 04:07.02 | unop | TMI |
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| 04:07.13 | dudeman | Time Machine Interface? |
| 04:07.13 | elijahwright | lol |
| 04:07.14 | dudeman | what? |
| 04:07.19 | enouf | unop: ok |
| 04:07.25 | dudeman | I never finished highschool |
| 04:07.28 | dudeman | never college |
| 04:07.30 | enouf | eats |
| 04:07.36 | dudeman | just figured out all computer stuff on my own |
| 04:07.45 | dread | this is probably a stupid question, but how can I enable syntax highlighting in vim? I've been trying to get used to vim and can't figure it out. :syntax on doesn't do anything. :S |
| 04:07.46 | jpinx | still plays guitar and takes whatever is available :-) |
| 04:07.50 | dudeman | I went to school for music theory/compisition jazz/classical and education |
| 04:08.10 | dudeman | I also went to school for GED and then my CIS degree in Information Security |
| 04:08.19 | dudeman | now I'm a professional web developer! |
| 04:08.23 | dudeman | sighs |
| 04:08.41 | dudeman | I just can't figure out what I want in life, if I can make a plan, I can stick to it |
| 04:08.44 | dudeman | I got no plan. |
| 04:08.48 | dudeman | throws up his hands |
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| 04:09.00 | jpinx | I also play the Uillean pipes, djembe, doumbek, and low irish whistles |
| 04:09.15 | jpinx | want a session sometime dudeman? |
| 04:09.19 | dudeman | jpinx, sure |
| 04:09.28 | zinx | #debian-offtopic, guys |
| 04:09.29 | dudeman | jpinx, lets take music discussion to my channel |
| 04:09.34 | zinx | or that. |
| 04:09.36 | dudeman | zinx, oh it :) |
| 04:09.38 | dudeman | on* |
| 04:09.45 | dudeman | #opensourcewebdevelopment |
| 04:09.55 | dudeman | jpinx, ^^ |
| 04:10.02 | unop | enouf, looks like it's a problem with the awk part .. $2 is much more than just the videoId you want |
| 04:10.56 | craigevil | dread: http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/syntax.html#syntax |
| 04:11.06 | jpinx | ok zinx: apologies |
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| 04:14.59 | enouf | unop: wow, i never noticed the space in between the 'print $2' <---- wtf? anyways, naturally i was trying to kepp it a simple Bash script (no perl) .. but still with the wierd awk, mine works - funnily bouncing cursor while cache is filling up, but works - the alternative is completely broken though for me |
| 04:15.29 | unop | enouf, both appear broken to me |
| 04:15.34 | unop | hmm |
| 04:15.49 | enouf | appear? |
| 04:16.34 | enouf | my pastebin works here (and for atleast a few others) and the form in the URL works for those same |
| 04:17.48 | unop | enouf, any reason for echo foo | .. | xargs command - .. instead of just command $( ... ) |
| 04:17.49 | enouf | i use the mplayer wiki version when i need to pass other options to override my config - such as -aspect 5:4 |
| 04:17.55 | dudeman | exec - -o echo "np: (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist`) (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album`) (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player title`) (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player genre`) (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player totalTime`m) (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player year`) (`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player . |
| 04:18.01 | dudeman | ... rating `/`ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player rating`)" |
| 04:18.02 | dudeman | ARGH! |
| 04:18.15 | dudeman | throws his input devices across the fucking room. |
| 04:18.37 | enouf | unop: but what would be command there? |
| 04:19.02 | enouf | unop: yes, mplayer will not accept that form of input |
| 04:19.10 | unop | enouf, hmm |
| 04:19.35 | unop | enouf, it ought to , provided you quote everything properly (xargs does that) |
| 04:20.37 | enouf | unop: well, then i will look into that .. i likely ruled it out as an option after many many failed attempts |
| 04:21.11 | enouf | unop: thank you much for your thoughts and help |
| 04:21.41 | enouf | unop: we'll revisit it at another time perhaps - i'm so tired .. |
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| 04:22.18 | unop | enouf, ok, i'll see what i can come up with |
| 04:27.43 | jpinx | tries installing with debootstrap |
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| 04:34.30 | jair | does anyone use linux HA here? on etch? |
| 04:34.49 | jair | I guess I can add backports on etch as well. |
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| 04:36.08 | n00bie11 | is this a hacking chat? |
| 04:36.12 | zinx | no |
| 04:36.16 | n00bie11 | oh. |
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| 04:37.21 | n00bie11 | does anyone know anything about hacking |
| 04:37.50 | zinx | hacking is off-topic on freenode, and in #debian, if you're using the meaning i know you're using. |
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| 04:45.42 | jpinx | jair: yes - backports works fine on etch. |
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| 04:56.22 | jair | jpinx: but you don't want to have a "production" server using backports right? |
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| 05:13.30 | warchief_ryan | I've got nat/masquerading issues, these commands should work right? |
| 05:13.30 | warchief_ryan | iptables -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -o eth0 -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 05:13.38 | warchief_ryan | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o ppp0 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:13.50 | warchief_ryan | iptables -t NAT -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:15.51 | jpinx | jair: probably not |
| 05:16.19 | jpinx | it depends on what your backporting. I backported a more recent PHP for a while without troubles |
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| 05:19.24 | tralala | how come debian/rules is different when unpacking with dpkg-source -x than the one in the .diff? |
| 05:19.56 | jair | guys if I want to accomplish a couple of things: |
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| 05:20.21 | jair | 1. configure my production server as the NTP server on my network. |
| 05:21.10 | jair | 2. configure the NTP server to synchronise the time to the external internet time. |
| 05:21.33 | jair | 3. have all the clients to synchronize with the time on the NTP server |
| 05:21.58 | jair | 4. but I do not want to have the internal clients to synchronize directly with any external server. |
| 05:22.05 | jair | is this possible?> |
| 05:22.08 | zinx | yes |
| 05:22.31 | jair | zinx: so i have debian etch running the ntpd and ntpdate |
| 05:22.54 | zinx | you can use ntpd only |
| 05:23.29 | zinx | (ntpdate is a one-shot sync, ntpd will skew the clock to keep good time all the time) |
| 05:24.25 | jair | zinx: hold on. I have the [ntpserver] on my network, but that will be connecting to servers in the outside |
| 05:24.30 | zinx | jair: all you need to do is install ntpd on all the machines, and edit /etc/ntp.conf appropriately |
| 05:24.37 | jair | what packages do I need installed on it |
| 05:25.14 | zinx | jair: ntp |
| 05:25.24 | zinx | jair: ntpd is both a client and a server |
| 05:25.30 | jair | zinx: here is my network: [ntpserver] [ntpc1] [ntpc2] [ntpc3] |
| 05:26.11 | jair | zinx: let's say that I do not have access to the internet in my network, but I want to keep all the servers synchronized? |
| 05:26.31 | jair | for example in my network port 123 is blocked |
| 05:26.44 | zinx | jair: install the 'ntp' package on all machines. edit /etc/ntp.conf appropriately (it will be different on server / clients) |
| 05:27.07 | zinx | erh, etch may use a different package name |
| 05:27.07 | zinx | it's whatever has ntpd in it, if there's a -simple variant then that's it. |
| 05:27.10 | jair | but I still want to have all the servers synchronized with only one server and then if i need to change the tome in all the servers I just need to do it on that one [ntpserver] |
| 05:27.22 | jair | zinx: I see |
| 05:27.36 | jair | so I should be able to remove ntpdate? |
| 05:27.39 | zinx | yes |
| 05:27.43 | jair | ok |
| 05:27.52 | jair | let me show you |
| 05:28.02 | jair | zinx: can I |
| 05:28.05 | jair | > |
| 05:28.07 | zinx | !enter |
| 05:28.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 05:28.25 | jair | zinx: I am sorry. |
| 05:29.36 | jair | zinx: http://paste.debian.net/17216/ |
| 05:29.49 | jair | those are the packages I have on the ntp server |
| 05:29.59 | zinx | ntp is all you need, but ntpdate will probably not hurt anything |
| 05:30.11 | zinx | ntp is also all you need on the internal clients |
| 05:30.25 | zinx | it's just a matter of changing which servers are used in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 05:30.30 | jair | zinx: this is the ntpserver and I will show you the configuration file on it and see how the defaults looks like |
| 05:30.58 | zinx | on your main server, you will want the external sync, and on the internal clients you'll want that server |
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| 05:32.26 | jair_ | zinx: but in the server at work the udp 123 is vlocked |
| 05:32.28 | jair_ | blocked |
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| 05:32.45 | zinx | jair_: you can have it not sync with anything too, or you can put a GPS on it and have it sync to that |
| 05:33.37 | zinx | jair: in any case, all you have to do is make the internal clients sync to your ntp server (by editing the 'server' lines in /etc/ntp.conf) |
| 05:34.03 | jair | zinx: I think I can have the [ntpserver] not syncronized to anything, as long as I can do the change to the time there and then all the servers in the network (200) aprox will synchronize with it :) |
| 05:34.17 | noye | just installed fluxbox and my right click doesnt work on my laptop, gnome is on the same machine and it works fine, where is the problem |
| 05:34.18 | jair | zinx: I am working on right now |
| 05:34.38 | zinx | jair: yeah, you can do that |
| 05:34.45 | noye | xorg? |
| 05:34.47 | jair | zinx: http://paste.debian.net/17217/ |
| 05:35.12 | jair | zinx: that is the default config file of the [ntpserver] |
| 05:36.04 | zinx | jair: do you have a question? |
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| 05:36.58 | jair | zinx: if the internal ip address of the [ntpserver] is 192.168.1.70 |
| 05:37.30 | zinx | jair: edit /etc/ntp.conf on the internal clients. remove all server lines and add one that is "server 192.168.1.70" |
| 05:37.55 | jair | zinx: ok let me try, I will paste the new config file. |
| 05:38.26 | zinx | jair: you don't want to do that one the ntpserver (192.168.1.70) or it will try to sync with itself.. that would be bad |
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| 05:38.33 | zinx | s/one/on/ |
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| 05:41.58 | jair | zinx: hmmm |
| 05:44.10 | dudeman | hey |
| 05:44.16 | dudeman | zinx, I was bored look what I did |
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| 05:45.10 | dudeman | zinx, http://pastebin.com/d49b93e3f <-- userstyle for iceweasel that I created just now. http://dudeman.gotdns.com/google.jpg <-- this is what my userstyle does. |
| 05:45.21 | jair | zinx: what i mean is, I want the [ntpserver] not to synchronize with any server outside since there is not access (port udp 123) is block in my work network. but I want all the clients to synchronize with the [ntpserver] 192.168.1.70 |
| 05:46.43 | zinx | jair: and i told you how to do that. |
| 05:47.00 | zinx | jair: if the ports are blocked anyway, you don't need to alter the ntpserver's ntp.conf any |
| 05:47.07 | zinx | jair: it just won't be able to sync with anything. |
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| 05:47.25 | zinx | jair: you can remove all the server lines in it if you really want |
| 05:47.26 | jair | got it |
| 05:48.14 | jair | zinx: I think i got it now, right, point all the clients to the server and do not worry about the server synchronizing with external (internet) servers |
| 05:49.18 | dudeman | zinx, did you see it yet? |
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| 05:49.44 | dudeman | zinx, I make google into multiple columns, and I cleaned up the colors etc. and gave the search results more prominence :D |
| 05:49.57 | dudeman | I wonder if my style can be incorported into icweasel |
| 05:50.09 | jair | zinx: I am doing that and I will let you know how it works in a minute |
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| 05:57.31 | jair | zinx: does this look right? http://paste.debian.net/17218/ |
| 05:57.33 | dudeman | BRAND NEW Debian wallpaper by dudeman |
| 05:57.40 | dudeman | http://dudeman.gotdns.com/debian.rosey.png <-- check it out |
| 05:57.44 | stiv2k | dudeman: nice nick |
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| 05:57.50 | dudeman | stiv2k, thanks :) |
| 05:58.08 | jair | zinx: I commented out the pool of servers and uncomment the ntp server. |
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| 05:58.43 | kelvinq | hello folks. i cannot run hibernate/sleep from the Gnome interface (System -> Shutdown -> Hibernate) as a normal user. However, when I run Gnome as root, I'm able to do so. can anyone help? |
| 05:59.14 | kelvinq | i suspect it's a configuration in SUDO or GKSUDO, but i do not know where to begin from. |
| 06:00.14 | jpinx | hey dudeman - you want to lay of the weed before you choose colours ;) |
| 06:00.27 | jpinx | s/of/off |
| 06:00.59 | dudeman | jpinx, hehehe :) |
| 06:01.06 | dudeman | jpinx, why? you don't like my color choice? |
| 06:01.27 | stiv2k | dudeman: make a 16:10 version too please! |
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| 06:02.02 | dudeman | jpinx, stiv2k, one more I make... http://dudeman.gotdns.com/debian_bg_with_logo_blue.jpg |
| 06:02.06 | jpinx | dudeman: it'll be ok in the morning maybe |
| 06:02.23 | dudeman | stiv2k, sure, I save all my gimp work as XCF |
| 06:02.35 | dudeman | sure its 20mb/file but its ok |
| 06:03.37 | jpinx | dudeman: can i have debian in violet on an emerald green background please? |
| 06:05.20 | dudeman | jpinx, sure |
| 06:05.35 | dudeman | maybe tomorrow |
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| 06:06.28 | jpinx | goes for another reboot into his shiny new slim debian |
| 06:06.35 | jair | zinx: Thank you very much, the configuration did the work |
| 06:07.06 | jair | all the clients are synchronizing with the server internally on the network :) |
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| 06:14.23 | kelvinq | hello. i'm unable to suspend/hibernate using GNOME, but able to do so through the commandline. can anyone help? |
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| 06:25.00 | jpinx | wonders how hard it has to be to get an OS installed on a 2nd HDD |
| 06:25.20 | rush1 | Is it possible to install virtualbox-ose-modules with custom kernel image? By default it's installing linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 as dependency |
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| 06:27.58 | shelby | hey guys, is gimp 2.4 in the gimp repositories?? |
| 06:28.03 | shelby | er, |
| 06:28.05 | shelby | debian repos |
| 06:28.11 | shelby | is sleep deprived |
| 06:28.46 | shelby | ? |
| 06:29.02 | shelby | apt-get install gimp will only get me gimp 2.2 which i simply cant use |
| 06:30.20 | craigevil | if your on stable you can try backports, not sure about testing but Installed: 2.4.7-1 is in unstable |
| 06:30.25 | nevyn | 2.2 is probably what's in etch. |
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| 06:30.49 | shelby | well, i have an out of the box etch install |
| 06:30.52 | shelby | whats the unstable repo?? |
| 06:31.05 | craigevil | try looking in backports first |
| 06:31.21 | nevyn | backports is a much better idea |
| 06:31.23 | shelby | well, ive tried that |
| 06:31.24 | tralala | shelby, don't mix repos! |
| 06:31.29 | shelby | i have the backport repo enabled |
| 06:31.35 | shelby | still nothing :( |
| 06:31.56 | nevyn | shelby: did you "apt-get update" |
| 06:31.58 | kasmra | testing has GIMP 2.4.6 |
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| 06:32.10 | shelby | yeah, let me try for the millionth time... |
| 06:32.28 | jpinx | shelby: don't forget to specify backports when you install or update stuff |
| 06:32.32 | nevyn | well if you did it I believe you.. |
| 06:32.52 | shelby | what do you mean? |
| 06:32.58 | jpinx | backports is not enabled by default - you have to specify it |
| 06:33.07 | shelby | ok, how? |
| 06:33.18 | jpinx | apt-get install -t backports <package> |
| 06:33.24 | shelby | i tried it once, but once i did every time i updated it bitched at me... |
| 06:33.31 | jpinx | IIRC |
| 06:33.44 | shelby | it says its already the newest version :( |
| 06:34.15 | jpinx | shelby; check the backports.org website for details |
| 06:34.47 | shelby | hanks dude |
| 06:35.39 | shelby | grr. at the end of apt-get update it always says W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 06:35.39 | shelby | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 06:35.44 | shelby | when i try unstable repo |
| 06:35.51 | n3kl | Anyone using openvpn on tehir lan, or wifi? |
| 06:35.59 | shelby | and it still says gimp is up to date grr |
| 06:36.57 | n3kl | shelby: do apt-cache search backports. There may be a key you need to install. Don't know if its in apt though |
| 06:37.18 | jpinx | shelby: you need to get the keys to confirm packages from backports to get rid of those messages |
| 06:37.29 | shelby | ah, ok |
| 06:37.55 | jpinx | shelby: you also need to invest a little time in reading their website instructions - it's all there ;) |
| 06:38.03 | shelby | ok... |
| 06:38.11 | shelby | well, im an impatient 13 year old.. |
| 06:38.13 | shelby | so... whatev |
| 06:38.18 | jpinx | heh |
| 06:38.35 | craigevil | Read? whats this read you speak of? |
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| 06:38.37 | shelby | ive been trying to compile gimp and i wound up being crippled compiling a dependecny to a dependency to a dependency |
| 06:38.37 | n3kl | shelby: it saves you time in teh long run |
| 06:38.55 | n3kl | shelby: apt-get buildep gimp ? |
| 06:39.10 | craigevil | 13 bah just jump into the deep end with testing |
| 06:39.18 | jpinx | shelby: it was hours ago that you first came on here to ask about this - you really need to read up first ;) |
| 06:39.25 | shelby | i know.. |
| 06:39.32 | shelby | i never had these problems with arch linux XD |
| 06:39.46 | n3kl | don't do that |
| 06:39.58 | n3kl | please |
| 06:40.02 | shelby | do what |
| 06:40.19 | jpinx | shelby: you can try lenny or even sid for newer package support, but they are not stable |
| 06:40.20 | n3kl | problems are different between distros regardless |
| 06:40.47 | shelby | your definition of stable means the computer turns to dust before the application library segfaults! |
| 06:40.52 | shelby | lol |
| 06:41.18 | shelby | but yeah, ive always used what was considered unstable and it always went pretty right ;) |
| 06:41.26 | shelby | i didnt choose debian for stability |
| 06:41.28 | shelby | ooooohhh no |
| 06:41.35 | shelby | thats the last thing i look for in a distro. |
| 06:41.51 | n3kl | maybe for a 13 year old |
| 06:42.08 | n3kl | I do admire you jumping into linux as young as you are though |
| 06:42.11 | shelby | yeah, i can only witness so many crashes in my lifetime huh |
| 06:42.14 | shelby | ;) |
| 06:42.20 | shelby | i started when i was 9 |
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| 06:42.33 | shelby | if it werent for you guys, i would be completely helpless :D |
| 06:42.45 | n3kl | When I started linux I was about your age, but I didn't have internet. Makes things a bit difficult |
| 06:42.45 | shelby | the linux community in general... |
| 06:42.52 | shelby | oh jesus |
| 06:42.54 | shelby | i bet |
| 06:43.11 | ptman | n3kl: me too, but we had man pages, and books, and we liked it =P |
| 06:43.16 | n3kl | couldn't find a use for it. Got it installed and it was like, now what? |
| 06:43.28 | n3kl | good ol mandrake =] |
| 06:43.28 | shelby | how did that work out? did you yell ones and zeros at your box until you install thunderbird or WHAT? :P |
| 06:43.33 | n3kl | ptman: yeah |
| 06:43.42 | shelby | mandriva was the only distro thats ever loved me : |
| 06:43.54 | n3kl | debian loves me |
| 06:44.05 | dudeman | hi |
| 06:44.09 | shelby | hell, arch loves me more than debian -l.- |
| 06:44.11 | n3kl | sup dudeman |
| 06:44.15 | dudeman | n3kl, chillin |
| 06:44.28 | dudeman | n3kl, http://pastebin.com/d49b93e3f <-- userstyle for iceweasel that I created just now. http://dudeman.gotdns.com/google.jpg <-- this is what my userstyle does. |
| 06:44.33 | dudeman | :D |
| 06:45.17 | dudeman | just bored so I'm fucking around with CSS and Code Igniter PHP framework. Also created a new layout http://dudeman.gotdns.com and other than that, just making debian wallpapers and shit |
| 06:45.39 | n3kl | wow, your bordom projects are totally different than mine |
| 06:45.45 | dudeman | heh |
| 06:45.52 | shelby | you old guys and your stability... why do your programs have to be as old and stale as your wifes? |
| 06:46.03 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:46.10 | dudeman | because young chics are horrible |
| 06:46.15 | n3kl | shelby: I do linux for a living. Can't have it crashing all the time if I want to keep my job |
| 06:46.19 | dudeman | they may look good and be young |
| 06:46.24 | dudeman | but they are extremely immature |
| 06:46.31 | dudeman | and other than the eyecandy factor |
| 06:46.32 | shelby | yeah, whatever. GAH ;) |
| 06:46.33 | jair | how can I monitor how many servers are using my ntp server? |
| 06:46.34 | dudeman | there is no usability |
| 06:46.34 | n3kl | dood, and I'm not old |
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| 06:46.40 | shelby | ILL SHOW YOU IMMATURE ILL BEAT YOU UP |
| 06:46.51 | dudeman | jair, no clue |
| 06:46.58 | jair | hahaha |
| 06:47.01 | shelby | </stupid> |
| 06:47.04 | jair | I am googling |
| 06:47.05 | dudeman | n3kl, http://dudeman.gotdns.com/debian.rosey.png |
| 06:47.18 | shelby | but yeah, im just gonna install gimp (or freaking arch linux) tomorrow |
| 06:47.59 | shelby | bye old guys |
| 06:48.01 | n3kl | dudeman: not bad, not super into the colors, but thats me |
| 06:48.25 | dudeman | n3kl, boredom is a disease worse than cancer. Drugs cure it if used as directed and with responsibility with minimum chances of negative side effects. |
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| 06:48.38 | n3kl | dudeman: what do you do for a living? |
| 06:48.43 | dudeman | I am a handy man |
| 06:48.50 | n3kl | like a wrench man? |
| 06:48.56 | dudeman | I do whatever it takes to make/earn a living |
| 06:49.04 | n3kl | don't we all |
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| 06:49.18 | jpinx | I am a tired man - this is the hardest install ever :( |
| 06:49.21 | dudeman | my IT related work history? |
| 06:49.36 | n3kl | jpinx: haven't you automated it yet? |
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| 06:49.56 | n3kl | sure |
| 06:51.07 | dudeman | Sr. system admin, sr. php developer, .NET/C# developer, inventory control systems, barcode systems implementation, currently lead web developer at a prestigous company in NYC |
| 06:51.23 | dudeman | other than that |
| 06:51.30 | dudeman | subway sandwiches |
| 06:51.32 | dudeman | state fair |
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| 06:51.38 | dudeman | centroplex |
| 06:51.44 | dudeman | stagewright production company |
| 06:51.59 | dudeman | from stagehand to stagemanager |
| 06:52.01 | dudeman | :D |
| 06:52.16 | dudeman | I got fed by james taylor, he was buying my lunch while i was cursing him out |
| 06:52.25 | dudeman | heh |
| 06:52.33 | dudeman | man its like sunday morning 3am |
| 06:52.36 | dudeman | nothing is going on goddamit |
| 06:52.42 | dudeman | where are all the people who need debian help |
| 06:52.42 | dudeman | ? |
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| 06:52.54 | n3kl | sleeping, like me soon |
| 06:53.19 | dudeman | heh me too |
| 06:53.32 | n3kl | dudeman: where you from? |
| 06:53.42 | dudeman | Pakistan |
| 06:53.45 | dudeman | you? |
| 06:53.48 | n3kl | Dener |
| 06:53.53 | n3kl | *Denver |
| 06:53.59 | dudeman | Denver, colorado? |
| 06:54.02 | dudeman | ok |
| 06:54.03 | n3kl | yea |
| 06:54.08 | dudeman | close to Southpark? |
| 06:54.17 | n3kl | close enough |
| 06:54.21 | dudeman | word |
| 06:54.25 | n3kl | its a ski townish place |
| 06:54.32 | dudeman | cool |
| 06:54.33 | n3kl | and i'm not a skier |
| 06:54.34 | dudeman | how old r u? |
| 06:54.37 | n3kl | 23 |
| 06:54.41 | dudeman | damn |
| 06:54.49 | dudeman | im ean |
| 06:54.54 | dudeman | how old do i sound? |
| 06:54.58 | dudeman | probably really immature right |
| 06:54.59 | n3kl | 28 |
| 06:55.00 | dudeman | like 12? |
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| 06:55.08 | dudeman | n3kl, haha i probably told already |
| 06:55.09 | dudeman | heh |
| 06:55.13 | n3kl | haha, I saw your post yeah |
| 06:55.33 | dudeman | man |
| 06:55.37 | dudeman | I'm closer to my goal each year |
| 06:55.39 | n3kl | you really in pakistan |
| 06:55.43 | n3kl | what goal? |
| 06:55.50 | dudeman | my goal is to make 150-200k/yr by the time I'm 30 years old |
| 06:55.52 | dudeman | I'm close |
| 06:56.01 | dudeman | 2 more years and I should hit 150 |
| 06:56.17 | n3kl | weak |
| 06:56.33 | n3kl | =] |
| 06:56.33 | dudeman | dude |
| 06:56.40 | dudeman | its not bad |
| 06:56.48 | dudeman | its not too greedy or too little |
| 06:56.52 | dudeman | its a nice amount to live comfortably |
| 06:57.09 | dudeman | I like to be content in life |
| 06:57.12 | n3kl | 200k rupees? |
| 06:57.16 | dudeman | no dollars |
| 06:57.16 | dudeman | man |
| 06:57.18 | dudeman | I live in nyc |
| 06:57.21 | dudeman | pay attention ffs. |
| 06:57.27 | n3kl | ah, right |
| 06:57.32 | dudeman | :) |
| 06:57.37 | n3kl | yeah, cost of living out there is higher also |
| 06:57.50 | dudeman | its alright |
| 06:57.55 | dudeman | if you want to save money move to long island |
| 06:57.56 | n3kl | I did demolition work for a year, made the most money I ever made |
| 06:58.03 | dudeman | o hell yea |
| 06:58.07 | n3kl | then I started in it, made more delivering pizza |
| 06:58.09 | dudeman | i'd be making half this soemwhere else in the country |
| 06:58.21 | dudeman | dude i move to nyc i delivered pizza for two months |
| 06:58.34 | dudeman | I made literally 6-12/deliver in tips |
| 06:58.36 | n3kl | yea, don't you have to have like 30k for a downpayment on an apartment? |
| 06:58.48 | dudeman | n3kl, nah man, find craigslist shit |
| 06:58.53 | dudeman | I rent a house in queens |
| 06:58.55 | n3kl | ah, you own a house? |
| 06:58.59 | n3kl | nm |
| 06:58.59 | dudeman | nice quiet little neighbourhood |
| 06:59.03 | dudeman | nah not own |
| 06:59.09 | dudeman | I'm gonna worry about saving money now |
| 06:59.11 | n3kl | meh, I dunno the area |
| 06:59.16 | dudeman | I'll buy or construct a house down south |
| 06:59.20 | dudeman | I'm from louisiana, baton rogue |
| 06:59.23 | dudeman | all my family is there |
| 06:59.25 | dudeman | and in houston |
| 06:59.31 | dudeman | so I plan on living down south, I love it |
| 06:59.34 | n3kl | man, hurrican central |
| 06:59.38 | dudeman | i know |
| 06:59.40 | dudeman | :) |
| 06:59.51 | jpinx | knows now where dudeman gets his music ;) |
| 07:00.04 | dudeman | jpinx, what music? |
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| 07:00.05 | dudeman | :) |
| 07:00.07 | n3kl | wonders what jpinx knows |
| 07:00.31 | jpinx | everyone from the south makes good music |
| 07:00.38 | dudeman | jpinx, did you check my piece? |
| 07:00.39 | n3kl | country? |
| 07:00.56 | jpinx | what piece? |
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| 07:01.10 | dudeman | jpinx, n3kl, http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 -- http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/hash.black.dawn.mp3 |
| 07:01.12 | jpinx | n3kl I'm in Peru |
| 07:01.14 | dudeman | :) |
| 07:01.16 | dudeman | discuss it in #music |
| 07:01.26 | dudeman | even though there isn't much debian stuff on at 3am sunday |
| 07:01.34 | dudeman | someon might ring the !offtopic bell |
| 07:01.53 | simonrvn | i almost did 10min ago ;p |
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| 07:01.57 | dudeman | simonrvn, hey ! :) |
| 07:02.01 | dudeman | kwe kwe |
| 07:02.03 | simonrvn | hi |
| 07:03.52 | debCarlos | 's going to play openarena, bye :) |
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| 07:24.51 | noboru | hi guys,how are you |
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| 07:25.09 | noboru | i am interested in vps,but there is no vps channel found on freenode that is why i am here. |
| 07:25.11 | n-iCe | Hello, does anybody knows a way to send internal messages to the ssh connected clients? |
| 07:25.36 | noboru | i plan to configure debian on the vps i will rent,but some questions are remaining. |
| 07:25.51 | Jewfro-Macabbi | n-iCe, wall, talkd |
| 07:25.57 | n-iCe | Jewfro-Macabbi: thanks |
| 07:26.37 | n-iCe | waNo creo que no, otra preguntilla cómo copia un folder tal cuál a otro lugar? |
| 07:26.43 | n-iCe | Sin omitir nada, completito. |
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| 07:30.44 | LegolasV | Everytime I turn on my box after being away for a week my internet connection gets drowned... I think it has something to do with fetchmail getting way too much email. Does someone know a solution? thanks in advance... |
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| 07:36.53 | ham5 | dont let fetchmail run to test? I donno. |
| 07:37.12 | ham5 | guess you godda find out what it is first |
| 07:38.55 | k-man_ | any idea how i can create usernames longer than 32 characters? |
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| 07:41.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | can someone suggest a place to ask about reprepro ? the alioth homepage doesnt seem to help, and i'm hoping to ask somenoe about an error i'm getting |
| 07:41.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | my only other option is to change all calls to reprepro to something else :\ |
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| 07:45.04 | LegolasV | ham5: when I look at the load during boot fetchmail is the only real topping one, and it gets in a big load of email (mostly spam tough) |
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| 07:46.30 | ham5 | so I guess your gonna get a little after a week, what did you want to do about it? get a new email address :) |
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| 07:48.04 | n-iCe | laters |
| 07:48.21 | LegolasV | ham5: I'll get a spam problem on a new adress sooner or later too :/ |
| 07:48.25 | ham5 | try another program that can mabey handel the load more efficiently, or if you know anything about iptables setup a rule to limit speed |
| 07:49.02 | alexbodn | hello friends, |
| 07:49.02 | alexbodn | i wish to be able to download flashplugin-nonfree from unstable, so i chose the snapshot way, that will not make me download the entire sid. |
| 07:49.02 | alexbodn | but unfortunately, the sources.list addition doesn't work as published (but worked for me in the past). |
| 07:49.02 | alexbodn | for example, deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:49.02 | alexbodn | any idea? |
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| 07:49.22 | ham5 | even setup something so you download the mail every day even while your gone |
| 07:49.27 | ham5 | so when you come back its already downloaded |
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| 07:51.01 | LegolasV | ham5: Maybe I could make one of the servers running more often a sort of forwarder, then the spamfilter will get it's way there instead after the one/two or three week load |
| 07:51.20 | LegolasV | ham5: how does the iptables limiting work? |
| 07:51.40 | alexbodn | hello friends, |
| 07:51.40 | alexbodn | the snapshot sources list line don't seem to work. for example, deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool flashplugin-nonfree, as advertised on http://snapshot.debian.net/package/flashplugin-nonfree. any idea? |
| 07:52.34 | ham5 | just throttles your net to what ever so other programs can access the interweb with out delay |
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| 07:54.18 | LegolasV | ham5: will try to add that too, at least just in case |
| 07:54.45 | LegolasV | ham5: else the mail will use the complete bandwith and the other computers here will not get any :P |
| 07:54.56 | ham5 | :) |
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| 07:57.05 | kelvinq | delicious is down! :( |
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| 07:57.32 | ham5 | works fine here |
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| 07:58.18 | Henry-Nicolas | Hi, does anybody know if the postfix server available in Lenny has quota support ? |
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| 08:00.39 | kelvinq | ham5: really? :( |
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| 08:00.52 | ham5 | .com? yea really |
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| 08:04.31 | Supaplex | how do I xvidtune a monitor out of my xinerama set? |
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| 08:10.01 | kelvinq | ham5: it's down here. http://delicious.com/ nor http://del.icio.us works. :( maybe it's a localised problem. |
| 08:10.20 | ham5 | traceroute n see |
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| 08:23.39 | beardy | dustybin: Yes. |
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| 08:40.48 | MrWax | In which file is the Last Login stored? |
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| 08:41.53 | cahoot | wtmp? |
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| 08:42.18 | MrWax | wtmp |
| 08:42.19 | MrWax | ? |
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| 08:42.58 | cahoot | run 'last' and see |
| 08:43.39 | MrWax | and how to check it? |
| 08:43.41 | MrWax | from long time ago |
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| 08:49.28 | mhall | Shit... I just got home at 2 AM from a long driving trip only to find that my roommate gave my bedroom to some other people without fucking asking me |
| 08:49.32 | mhall | What an asshole. |
| 08:49.49 | fbh | lol |
| 08:50.14 | mhall | And I looked in the closet for a blanket and it's fucking empty |
| 08:50.26 | mhall | So now if I try to go to bed I am going to freeze my ass off. |
| 08:50.31 | cahoot | lot of fucking around |
| 08:50.36 | mhall | I had a whole pickup truck full of shit I didn't want to unload. |
| 08:51.02 | fbh | wow, why do you have a pickup truck full of shit? Where's all your stuff then? |
| 08:51.13 | mhall | Now I cant decide whether I should unload and go to Walmart and get a blanket or tough it out for six hours, kick some fucking people out, and then go to bed in my bed. |
| 08:51.16 | cahoot | m for manure? |
| 08:51.38 | mhall | fbh: Had a relative get real sick on me... had to empty his apt and put him in a nursing home. |
| 08:51.53 | mhall | I have had a real bad two weeks lately and this just tops it all of. |
| 08:51.56 | mhall | Fucking hell. |
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| 08:54.20 | mhall | I can't wake my GF up and go sleep at her place either because she'll get really pissed off at me. |
| 08:54.25 | mhall | Man this really does suck. |
| 08:55.21 | fbh | what time is it there/ |
| 08:55.27 | mhall | 1.55 AM |
| 08:55.39 | fbh | oh ok |
| 08:55.43 | mhall | i have been moving furniture and shit since 10 am |
| 08:55.47 | hatter | if i want to email an output of an rsync do i do this ? rsync --av /storage/ /mnt/sda >> mail someone@somewhere.com ? |
| 08:55.51 | mhall | and i am worn out and really really irate |
| 08:56.06 | Agiofws | www.imagebin.org/26389 <-- need help anyone using latest catalyst ? do you think i should reboot ? |
| 08:58.25 | fbh | hatter: Use pipe |
| 08:59.24 | hatter | fbh, ah, thx |
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| 09:11.44 | hatter | any ideas on something like autofs that only unmounts (not mounts) ? |
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| 09:13.50 | ham5 | would think that would be pretty easy to just change a command and make a new script |
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| 09:14.41 | AussieGuy | I have a mysql database set up with tables for my app, as well as an apache server with lots of virtual hosts..... can apt or some package tool package my installation of mysql and apache/php, with my files, config, database tables and all? |
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| 09:18.13 | hatter | ham5, hmmm, yeah i am wondering if there is any point actually... i was thinking about automounting usb drives, but letting the backup script do the mounting, so an inadvertent rm wouldnt delete it, i guess if a script is manually mounting it may as well manually umount at the end |
| 09:19.42 | beardy | mhall: Very long time no see. |
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| 09:20.31 | ham5 | debian dosent mount and unmount a usbdrive automatically? |
| 09:21.23 | maligor | debian doesn't do much automatically |
| 09:21.31 | cahoot | ham5: gnome-volume-manager seems to automount at least |
| 09:21.33 | beardy | mhall: Sorry to hear you have some shit to deal with.. hope you're alright otherwise. |
| 09:21.42 | hatter | ham5, well, it does if you use autofs |
| 09:21.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | AussieGuy, tried tar? |
| 09:21.44 | MrWax | What's a good way to chop off last 400 bytes that have been added to a certain file? head of dd right ? |
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| 09:22.07 | AussieGuy | I know about tar...not sure how well it would work? |
| 09:22.09 | beardy | MrWax: tail or dd, yes. |
| 09:22.13 | hatter | hatter, gnome-volume-manager will detect a drive and mount it, but not unmount it |
| 09:22.31 | MrWax | beardy: with tail its only displayed? |
| 09:22.34 | hatter | so if you want pull it out, its still mounted |
| 09:22.41 | MrWax | beardy: I need to delete those last bytes |
| 09:22.47 | MrWax | beardy: any clue what syntax would be? |
| 09:22.53 | AussieGuy | I mean if I just un-tarred the whole thing on a new VPS server, it wouldnt show up in the installed packages list |
| 09:23.00 | beardy | MrWax: Reat the manual like the rest of us. |
| 09:23.02 | beardy | d |
| 09:23.18 | MrWax | My english's not so fluent |
| 09:23.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | AussieGuy, you *could* make a package of it all, but why bother? its the most complex and unnesesary way of copying over you could pick |
| 09:23.39 | maligor | hatter, you seem to be correct |
| 09:23.59 | maligor | atleast in sid it does that |
| 09:24.13 | hatter | maligor, yeah, etch does |
| 09:24.41 | hatter | maligor , autofs is good though |
| 09:25.06 | hatter | maligor, you can set how long before it unmounts, like 3 seconds |
| 09:25.24 | hatter | but a problem if you rm -fr / |
| 09:25.34 | NeoIce | does anyone have some reading material on securing multi-user systems? |
| 09:25.45 | hatter | NeoIce, google does |
| 09:25.50 | hatter | neoice, plenty |
| 09:26.04 | AussieGuy | so get a list of all the files/mysql .tbl files in the packages I want plus my files, and tar them? |
| 09:26.15 | hatter | NeoIce, get some coffee and start reading for a week. |
| 09:26.46 | Guerin_ | !harden |
| 09:26.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, harden is D:SbD, or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/, or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 09:26.51 | Guerin_ | NeoIce: start there. |
| 09:26.59 | NeoIce | hatter: I havent turned up anything new and I'm mostly looking for issues that might be specific to multi-user systems |
| 09:27.07 | NeoIce | gurien_: read all of that ages ago |
| 09:27.12 | NeoIce | probably twice |
| 09:27.19 | Guerin_ | NeoIce: ok. You need to be more specific. |
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| 09:28.21 | NeoIce | guerin_: more specific than multi-user? a shell host where I dont explicitly trust all the users |
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| 09:28.59 | maligor | selinux might help against unknown threats |
| 09:29.48 | maligor | atleast if configured properly |
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| 09:29.50 | Guerin_ | NeoIce: more specific matters you're interested in. But it sounds to me like you want a more specialised forum than this. |
| 09:30.28 | SparFux | Hi all. Are there good tutorials about how to move a system from one debian disk to another? I mean likewether to simply copy /etc or just edit the new one because of problems suspectible and so on. |
| 09:31.00 | NeoIce | sparfux: dd? |
| 09:31.17 | hatter | SparFux, google for tar an entire system |
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| 09:31.49 | SparFux | Woudln't you advice to reinstall and move /etc over or something? |
| 09:31.52 | foo | How can I undo a build-dep ? apt-get remove doesn't seem to do it |
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| 09:32.17 | hatter | SparFux, you want a new install or a replication ? |
| 09:32.27 | NeoIce | sparfux: as long as the system architecture is the same, it should work with the old binaries |
| 09:32.37 | SparFux | A new install. I suspect errors on the original disk due to filesystem corruption. |
| 09:33.07 | SparFux | Neocle: Yes, but let's say the filesystem is coprrupt or I want to move over from i386 to adm64 or the like. |
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| 09:33.47 | SparFux | I am thinking of a tool even which would merge an old /etc into a new one by moving all duplicate files to *.dpkg-dist-new before copying from old /etc. |
| 09:33.52 | maligor | I'd do a reinstall if you suspect the disk |
| 09:33.56 | shyam_k | hi is there any gui for dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 09:34.16 | maligor | figuring out what's causing issue because of corrupted files or configuration files would be a pain |
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| 09:34.30 | cahoot | shyam_k: ncurses doesn't qualify? |
| 09:34.33 | SparFux | And can aptitude give me output like dpkg --get-selection so I can move it over? |
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| 09:34.46 | Guerin_ | SparFux: why not just use dpkg? |
| 09:34.47 | arno | don't know |
| 09:34.55 | vsayikiran | is lsof dangerous, can it be used to spoil system |
| 09:35.03 | SparFux | Guerin: I think some aptitude info would be missing, wouldn't it? |
| 09:35.20 | jake | hey i m able to connect from windows but i installed etch and etch is not catching.. anyone can help... i have a static ip |
| 09:35.29 | shyam_k | cahoot: would have been good to have some thing in the gnome, system->preference,.. i remember there was some language thing earlier? |
| 09:35.32 | Guerin_ | SparFux: well ... since get-sel only shows package names, no |
| 09:35.50 | hatter | jake, i have no idea what question you are asking |
| 09:35.57 | Guerin_ | SparFux: all the metadata is embedded in packages |
| 09:36.26 | jake | hatter my internet doesn't work in debian etch... says no network card etc |
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| 09:36.47 | shyam_k | cahoot: problem is that setting up the locales is needed for a non-techie user at the zeroth hour.. so touching the commandline there itself,makes him a lill bit disappointing.. debian has some standard way for it already? |
| 09:36.55 | hatter | jake, ah. well you need to know which nic you have |
| 09:36.58 | hatter | lspci |
| 09:36.59 | jake | hatter earlier it used to work.. then i reinstalled etch and still the same thing |
| 09:37.09 | hatter | jake, how new is the mobo ? |
| 09:37.14 | SparFux | I will move over by hand by reinstalling all packages and write a text file with all the steps I think are needed. |
| 09:37.19 | jake | not new |
| 09:37.26 | jake | asus |
| 09:37.30 | hatter | jake, a new install ? |
| 09:37.30 | Guerin_ | !tahwtda |
| 09:37.30 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
| 09:37.46 | jake | i m in windows .. cant access net from linux |
| 09:38.07 | jake | hatter ya a third new install |
| 09:38.35 | jake | but the problem started before all this... i thought it could be fixed byreinstalling |
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| 09:38.57 | hatter | jake, what nic ? |
| 09:39.10 | jake | nic? |
| 09:39.16 | maligor | Marvell? |
| 09:39.30 | maligor | I think asus uses lots of marvell |
| 09:39.37 | hatter | jake, nic Network Interface Card |
| 09:39.45 | jake | oh |
| 09:39.55 | jake | eth0 it used to show |
| 09:40.10 | hatter | jake, lspci look for the network card |
| 09:40.13 | SparFux | So, to move over selections, I do: aptitude update && dpkg --set-selections < old-system-selections.out && aptitude install ?? |
| 09:40.17 | maligor | jake, check your device manager, since you're in windows |
| 09:40.28 | maligor | jake, network interfaces or some such |
| 09:40.44 | jake | hatter. so now i reboot in linux |
| 09:40.47 | beardy | MrWax: You can try, on a copy of one of your files, with 'dd if=file1 of=fileminus400bytes bs=1 count=$((($(ls -s file1 | cut -d " " -f 1) - 400)))' |
| 09:40.50 | jake | maligor ok |
| 09:41.22 | maligor | jake, when did it work? |
| 09:41.48 | jake | its nvidia |
| 09:41.55 | maligor | oh.. forcedeth |
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| 09:42.03 | jake | ya forcedeth |
| 09:42.32 | jake | it was working day before yesterday in both the operating systems |
| 09:42.47 | maligor | kernel upgrade? |
| 09:43.06 | jake | then it stopped working on both and now atleast windows is working... in linux it doesn't work |
| 09:43.14 | jake | nono kernel upgrade |
| 09:43.24 | jake | fresh install and still the same problem |
| 09:43.35 | Lukemob | hey anyone have knowledges with courier? |
| 09:43.37 | hatter | jake, when in linux, check /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistenet-net-rules |
| 09:44.01 | maligor | hatter, wouldn't really matter with reinstalls |
| 09:44.02 | hatter | which will show if udev discovered the nic and which eth(?) its assinged to |
| 09:44.19 | maligor | jake, used full cd for install and not netinst I guess? |
| 09:44.25 | hatter | maligor, unless there are 2 nics, and it is now making it eth1 |
| 09:44.28 | maligor | since netinst wouldn't really install properly |
| 09:44.34 | jake | ya cd install |
| 09:44.49 | hatter | maligor, true |
| 09:44.59 | hatter | jake, are there 2 nics ? |
| 09:45.01 | jake | hey i dont have any important work on linux partition |
| 09:45.09 | jake | whats the best way to restore |
| 09:45.28 | hatter | jake, i always do a netinst |
| 09:45.40 | jake | how do u do a netint |
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| 09:46.37 | hatter | jake, d/l the netinst image from the web |
| 09:46.37 | jake | and i'll do a netinst when my net works |
| 09:46.53 | hatter | jake, netinst, is a minimal install that gets the rest from the net |
| 09:46.57 | hatter | which cant work without a nic |
| 09:47.00 | jake | is that different from a cd install? |
| 09:47.16 | hatter | so you will know straight away if there is no nic being detected |
| 09:47.18 | jake | i have like a 256 kbps line man |
| 09:47.19 | maligor | you could always try the lenny netinst tho |
| 09:47.32 | jake | ya |
| 09:47.39 | jake | tell me about lenny |
| 09:47.44 | hatter | jake, netinst is 125mb i think |
| 09:47.46 | maligor | strange that it would stop working midway tho |
| 09:47.46 | jake | with etch i had so many problems |
| 09:48.01 | jake | ya very strange |
| 09:48.03 | maligor | lenny just has newer software |
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| 09:48.15 | hatter | newer hardware is always a problem |
| 09:48.24 | jake | but with etch i had nvidia 3d driver problem |
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| 09:48.32 | hatter | but if it worked before, its likley a user error |
| 09:48.54 | maligor | or hardware flakiness |
| 09:49.01 | maligor | which wouldn't be surprising with forcedeth |
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| 09:49.11 | jake | sound wasn't getting initialised and everytime i reboot i had to run alsaconf |
| 09:49.28 | maligor | well, lenny will have a newer kernel also |
| 09:49.43 | jake | so should i just install lenny.. will things be different? |
| 09:50.21 | jake | or should i upgrade to lenny? etch->lenny? |
| 09:50.36 | maligor | 'should' |
| 09:50.47 | hatter | jake, if you dont care about the parition, then do a fresh install |
| 09:50.56 | hatter | how far off is lenny from stable ? |
| 09:51.06 | maligor | quite a bit |
| 09:51.16 | jake | hey i just told u i formatted and did a fresh install like 3 times |
| 09:51.39 | jake | but etch seriously looks old |
| 09:51.48 | hatter | jake, well, etch is stable |
| 09:51.53 | maligor | lenny has a shiny graphical installer too |
| 09:51.57 | maligor | hatter, not for long :P |
| 09:52.09 | hatter | jake, so use lenny, if you arent making a production box |
| 09:52.23 | jake | nah nah |
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| 09:52.43 | jake | i m just stepping in the open source world and thats it |
| 09:52.54 | hatter | jake, well, get lenny and try it |
| 09:53.06 | hatter | as maligor said, newer kernel, which means newer drivers |
| 09:53.16 | maligor | and shiny graphical installer! |
| 09:53.22 | jake | where can i find a netinst download and do u boot with usb? |
| 09:53.26 | hatter | debian has been a major pain in my *ss with new hardware |
| 09:53.31 | SparFux | I got it. |
| 09:53.39 | maligor | jake: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:53.51 | SparFux | These are the moving over commands so far: http://pastebin.com/m7222c87b |
| 09:54.05 | jake | how about "nvidia" driver in lenny? |
| 09:54.08 | maligor | hatter, I've never had issues :P |
| 09:54.46 | maligor | actually looks like lenny doesn't have the nvidia bins |
| 09:54.58 | beardy | MrWax: Did it work for you? |
| 09:55.00 | jake | and what does that mean? |
| 09:55.08 | MrWax | beardy: sec |
| 09:55.45 | maligor | jake, it means that for some reason they've been dropped out |
| 09:55.52 | hatter | SparFux, nice one |
| 09:55.52 | maligor | for the moment or for release, dunno |
| 09:56.05 | maligor | jake, you can ofcourse install them from some other source |
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| 09:56.13 | SparFux | hatter: thx. I hope everything is correct and I haven't forgotten anything. |
| 09:56.16 | hatter | maligor, with lenny or etch ? |
| 09:56.22 | jim_p | hello everyone |
| 09:56.27 | maligor | I said lenny, yes |
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| 09:57.28 | hatter | maligor, do you use lenny on production boxes ? |
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| 09:57.37 | maligor | i don't have any production boxes :P |
| 09:57.45 | maligor | this desktop runs sid |
| 09:57.45 | hatter | maligor, ok |
| 09:58.35 | SparFux | Of course, I will have to scan vor /var/lib spool directories and for /usr/src stuff I did myself. |
| 09:58.37 | hatter | how do i change exim4 so the 'from' address is something other than root ? |
| 09:58.48 | wols | !tell jake about nvidia_lenny |
| 09:58.52 | jake | hey and one more thing... on my friends pc i installed etch with windows xp.. then he didn't like it so i just formatted that partition back to ntfs and grub got screwed ... so What is the right way to uninstall any linux? |
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| 09:59.09 | wols | hatter: send it from something not running as root? |
| 09:59.31 | JesseVentura12 | http://digg.com/political_opinion/Petition_to_Draft_Jesse_Ventura_for_President_2012 |
| 09:59.46 | hatter | wols, just to say it came from another name, when a root script is being emailed |
| 09:59.51 | wols | jake: you did it right but missed a step. you use the XP CD recovery console to run "fixmbr" and it will be gone |
| 09:59.52 | ledet | jake: get windows to write its own bootloader and overwrite grub |
| 10:00.00 | hatter | like, backupreport |
| 10:00.17 | hatter | could i do this from 'mail' ? |
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| 10:00.31 | wols | hatter: then change the way the message is send |
| 10:01.02 | jake | ok |
| 10:01.21 | jake | so with nvidia i will never be able to use compiz etc? |
| 10:01.39 | wols | jake: depends a bit on your videocard but yes |
| 10:01.43 | Igneous | sorry, this is a bit offtopic, but is there an official place (that is, from debian) to buy a debian tshirt? I didn't want to buy one off cafepress and not know where the profits were going. |
| 10:01.50 | hatter | wols, hmmm, i cant see that i can change the 'from' address from mail |
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| 10:02.08 | wols | hatter: you should be able to change the header |
| 10:02.25 | Internat | jesus.. why is nvidia so god damm hard :@ |
| 10:03.12 | maligor | hard how? |
| 10:03.14 | foo | how do I tell apt-get to not install deps? |
| 10:03.25 | Internat | hard, in that in lenny its borked :P |
| 10:03.31 | wols | Internat: cause lenny hasn't gotten around to make debs for it yet |
| 10:03.32 | simonrvn | you don't, foo |
| 10:03.39 | wols | and it's a simple backport. not hard |
| 10:03.50 | jake | wols just tell me how can i use compiz.. i m always changing my linux distro only to find that something else is better.. redhat > sid > etch . now thinking of ubuntu and told lenny.. |
| 10:03.54 | hatter | foo.. not to install deps ? maybe change to redhat |
| 10:03.58 | wols | foo: why don't you want to install the deps? |
| 10:04.03 | maligor | the nvidia debs from sid have dependencies on non-lenny packages? |
| 10:04.04 | foo | simonrvn: hm, I want to install something, apt-get wants to install 5 other packages... which I don't want. |
| 10:04.16 | wols | maligor: not if you do a backport |
| 10:04.18 | foo | wols: I want to install finch-dev ... and apt-get wants to install finch, but I installed finch from source and don't want it |
| 10:04.19 | hatter | foo, thats why we like debian |
| 10:04.25 | Internat | i know somone asked before but i missed the answer if there was one.. is nvidia going to be sorted out for lennys release? |
| 10:04.32 | simonrvn | foo: tough titty said the kitty, but the milk's still good. |
| 10:04.34 | Internat | wols: backport from where? sid? |
| 10:04.36 | foo | hatter: me too, but not in this situation... and great if that's the default, but there should be a way for me to tell it nodeps |
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| 10:04.45 | wols | foo: that was bad. make a backport of finch and install it |
| 10:04.52 | wols | Internat: yes |
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| 10:04.55 | simonrvn | foo: equivs |
| 10:04.56 | Internat | aka what dpkg's instructions are? |
| 10:04.59 | wols | !tell Internat about nvidia_lenny |
| 10:05.02 | jim_p | today, alsa-base and linux-sound-base packages reached v1.0.17 in testing, but the packages alsa-utils and libasound2 are still at v 1.0.16! Is it safe to upgrade now or just wait? |
| 10:05.10 | simonrvn | but better a backport, less breakage |
| 10:05.38 | jake | does ubuntu have a solution for nvidia? |
| 10:05.41 | Internat | stupid question, i thought if i added the sid entry to sources.list that it defaulted then to using that? |
| 10:05.43 | simonrvn | jim_p: your point being? |
| 10:05.57 | simonrvn | jake: ask #ubuntu |
| 10:05.58 | Internat | well, that it always tries to get the latest package.. and sid would have lots of things newer? |
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| 10:06.21 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 10:06.22 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 10:06.43 | Internat | ah.. its the deb-src thing.. with it now :) |
| 10:07.04 | jake | so for noobs... sid or ubuntu? |
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| 10:07.11 | up365 | jake, you can read some compiz stuff here http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 then talk to guys in #compiz-fusion |
| 10:07.18 | Igneous | jake: hahah definately not sid |
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| 10:07.43 | jim_p | simonrvn: in early july, audacious was upgreaded to 1.5.1 and audacious-plugins was left to 1.5.0 . This caused audacious to brake and me to stay without music for a week, until i decided to upgrade it from unstable. |
| 10:07.47 | jake | ok |
| 10:08.09 | beardy | jake: This is Debian. Noobs run stable. '/msg dpkg grounding' '/msg dpkg install guide' |
| 10:08.15 | jim_p | the audacious-plugins reached testing in late july, 4 weeks later!!!! |
| 10:08.46 | jim_p | so... i cant stand to lose my sound stuff completely with alsa |
| 10:08.56 | wols | !comfort jim_p |
| 10:08.57 | dpkg | There, there, jim_p. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 10:09.13 | jim_p | just for a silly mis-dependece |
| 10:09.23 | wols | jim_p: if you can't stand breakage, don't run testing! |
| 10:09.45 | jim_p | but testing is supposed to be "stable" |
| 10:09.55 | simonrvn | no it's not |
| 10:10.03 | jim_p | stable's packackes are ancient |
| 10:10.06 | simonrvn | it's *testing* |
| 10:10.14 | wols | jim_p: you talking BS' |
| 10:10.15 | simonrvn | hul-lo! |
| 10:10.25 | jim_p | ok then... i mean "stabler" that unstable |
| 10:10.32 | simonrvn | slaps jim_p with a clue by four |
| 10:10.38 | jim_p | lol |
| 10:10.42 | jim_p | what is that? |
| 10:10.57 | jake | i wont switch channels if there are channels for everyword i use. i m mainly concerned about debian bcoz i m using it. |
| 10:11.21 | jim_p | any other more usefull advice? |
| 10:11.21 | hatter | lol |
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| 10:11.28 | hatter | jim_p, use stable. |
| 10:11.39 | jim_p | other than that |
| 10:11.46 | Internat | using testing and dont whinge? |
| 10:11.54 | jim_p | i want the latest kernel, gnome, firefox etc |
| 10:11.55 | hatter | jim_p, use ubuntu and whinge there ? |
| 10:11.58 | simonrvn | jim_p: stay away from testing |
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| 10:12.02 | Igneous | jim_p: you're trying to get nvidia working, right? |
| 10:12.03 | jim_p | whinge? |
| 10:12.07 | jim_p | whinge= ? |
| 10:12.11 | simonrvn | !whinge |
| 10:12.12 | jim_p | no i am on ati |
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| 10:12.13 | Internat | cry? scream like a girl/ complain? |
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| 10:12.18 | jim_p | no no |
| 10:12.25 | Igneous | jim_p: ooh, I'm confusing people, nevermind. |
| 10:12.30 | simonrvn | what happened to that factoid... |
| 10:12.41 | Internat | Igneous: your getting confused with my questions, and jake's :) |
| 10:13.02 | ubuntuniggbot | MARK SHUTTLEWORTH AND CANONICAL ANNOUNCE LINUX FOR NIGGERS |
| 10:13.06 | ubuntuniggbot | FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE |
| 10:13.08 | ubuntuniggbot | ISLE OF MAN - June 1, 2006 - At a press conference today, Canonical CEO and Free Software spokesnigger Mark Shuttleworth announced the immediate availability of version 6.06 of the Ubuntu Linux distribution. The latest version, known by its code name, "The Diaper Drake," includes special features designed to make Linux easier and more comfortable for niggers the world over. |
| 10:13.11 | simonrvn | !ops ubuntuniggbot |
| 10:13.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: ubuntuniggbot |
| 10:13.13 | SparFux | bad idea! I first copy /etc, but then listbug and other stuff is missing! |
| 10:13.19 | ubuntuniggbot | "Niggers have always had trouble understanding new technology," Shuttleworth began. "Computers are no exception. Some people have said this is because niggers are dumb, but I believe the real problem is that technology has traditionally been designed for white people. Ubuntu changes all that. It was developed from the ground up with niggers in mind. It will usher in a whole new era of Afro-ergonomic computing." |
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| 10:13.34 | Igneous | Internat: well, for you, it is very possible (although, not the 'debian way') to compile your own kernel from scratch, and install the nvidia module via the nvidia installer. |
| 10:13.37 | simonrvn | running on a win box... |
| 10:13.48 | simonrvn | probably zombie... |
| 10:13.58 | Internat | yeah, im happy to do the backports methond :) i just had somet things i wasnt sure about.. |
| 10:14.05 | Internat | with the dpkg-src thing kinda clears up for me :) |
| 10:14.08 | simonrvn | probably gnaa... |
| 10:14.47 | Internat | i typically stay with testing on the media box anyway, just so i can keep the codex and stuff up todate, but figuredd with lennsy impending release i might clean that box up a little, :) |
| 10:14.58 | jim_p | so ... the "safest" thing to do now is to upgrade and, if problems occur, re-upgrade from testing, right? |
| 10:15.11 | jim_p | *re-upgrade from unstable |
| 10:15.12 | Internat | no.. the safest thing is to use stable, and stay on stable.. |
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| 10:15.40 | beardy | MrWax: Disregard what i said before.. 'head -c -400 filename > filenameminus400bytes' |
| 10:15.42 | joseee1985 | that's why he used "safest" |
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| 10:16.09 | wols | joseee1985: what jim_p proposed was simply stupid. not safe in any way :) |
| 10:17.01 | jim_p | ok so what am i supposed to do? |
| 10:17.27 | simonrvn | reinstall etch |
| 10:17.37 | jim_p | i am not some debian guru compiling his own kernel and stuff |
| 10:17.47 | jim_p | i just want my testing to work |
| 10:17.51 | Internat | then u should be on stable |
| 10:18.03 | Internat | the whole purpose of testing, is that it MAY NOT WORK |
| 10:18.12 | Internat | thats the definition of testing.. |
| 10:18.16 | Internat | test shit to see what breaks.\ |
| 10:18.18 | jim_p | and i dont go back to etch for the reasons stated above |
| 10:18.33 | jake | do i also reinstal etch? |
| 10:18.46 | jim_p | ? |
| 10:18.47 | jake | i dont think the problem will go |
| 10:19.04 | wols | jake: what problem? |
| 10:19.22 | jake | told u ... internet doesn't work |
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| 10:19.35 | Igneous | jake: do you use wireless? |
| 10:19.36 | wols | jake: how are you connected to the internet? |
| 10:19.40 | jake | there is a cross sign |
| 10:19.48 | jake | i m in windows |
| 10:20.00 | Igneous | errr. |
| 10:20.08 | wols | jake: not the OS. your way of connection? router? cable? dsl? ethernet? that stuff |
| 10:20.12 | jake | yes i use a wireless |
| 10:20.16 | hatter | jim_p, ubuntu is has a later kernel and newer software |
| 10:20.18 | wols | jake: what wlan chipset? |
| 10:20.19 | jake | wimax |
| 10:20.33 | jake | nvidia |
| 10:20.36 | hatter | i use debian for stable for servers, because it doenst change all the time |
| 10:20.42 | jim_p | ubuntu is not a rolling release!!! |
| 10:20.43 | jake | nforce here forcedeth there |
| 10:20.44 | wols | nvidia doesn't make any wlan stuff. what chispet? |
| 10:21.03 | jim_p | i dont want to have to reinstall every 6 months! |
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| 10:21.12 | hatter | jim_p, reinstall every 6months ? |
| 10:21.15 | hatter | who does that ? |
| 10:21.25 | hatter | should you be at #windows ? |
| 10:21.31 | jim_p | in case that something breaks |
| 10:21.35 | Igneous | can't you just change the repos in your sources and dist-upgrade? |
| 10:21.37 | wols | hatter, jim_p: if you want to talk about ubuntu: #ubuntu |
| 10:21.40 | jake | wols it was just working |
| 10:21.41 | jim_p | it happened to me when i was on ubuntu |
| 10:21.41 | Igneous | has never upgraded in ubuntu |
| 10:21.46 | jim_p | anyway |
| 10:21.54 | Internat | !ubuntu |
| 10:21.55 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:22.02 | hatter | yep, here is debian and debian keeps me happy |
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| 10:22.05 | jake | wols plus the connection works on windows |
| 10:22.06 | wols | jake: don't you understand my question? what wlan chipset? |
| 10:22.15 | jim_p | i am happy with debian so far |
| 10:22.24 | jake | honestly i dont wols :( |
| 10:22.38 | wols | jake:then say so and don't talk bullshit |
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| 10:22.51 | wols | jake: again: describe exactly your network setup. EXACTLY |
| 10:23.10 | jake | ok.. i dont have a router |
| 10:23.21 | jake | just a pppoe switch |
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| 10:23.38 | wols | you mean a pppoe modem? |
| 10:23.38 | jake | at my end |
| 10:23.48 | jake | i think so man.. its new to me |
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| 10:24.01 | jake | the dsine 3001 thing by telsima |
| 10:24.06 | wols | jake: and you use the wired ethernet to connect to that pppoe modem? |
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| 10:24.25 | wols | ethernet cable from PC to modem? |
| 10:24.26 | jake | no there is one signal booster on the terrace |
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| 10:24.38 | wols | how do you connect to the pppoe modem? |
| 10:24.51 | jake | wire from there to that pppoe box and cable from there to my pc |
| 10:25.00 | jake | normal lanwire |
| 10:25.21 | wols | what nvidia chipset exactly? |
| 10:25.47 | jake | how do i tell u this? where can i see |
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| 10:26.03 | wols | in the documentation for your PC, or with lspci -nn |
| 10:26.17 | jake | cant lspci from windows |
| 10:26.28 | jake | one sec |
| 10:27.09 | jake | oh |
| 10:27.28 | jake | geforce 6100 is what u were asking? |
| 10:27.42 | wols | good enough |
| 10:27.45 | jake | sorry sorry |
| 10:27.48 | jake | lol |
| 10:27.53 | MrWax | Does anyone know in which files wtmp content more can be stored? |
| 10:27.59 | MrWax | when I delete /var/log/wtmp logins still get logged.. |
| 10:28.06 | wols | boot linux, and run "/sbin/ifconfig" there needs to be output starting with ethX, preferable eth0 |
| 10:28.13 | wols | if not come back |
| 10:28.20 | jake | ok |
| 10:28.26 | wols | if eth0 exists, then run as root, "pppoeconf" |
| 10:28.29 | jim_p | upgrade done successfully |
| 10:28.41 | jim_p | thank god i am not going to etch |
| 10:28.50 | jake | k |
| 10:29.10 | wols | and follow the stuff one screen. if you are stuck somewhere, note down EXACTLY what yo did and what is on screen, especially error messages. come back and tell us about it |
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| 10:30.13 | wols | pppoeconf will ask you about usernames and passwrd for your pppoe connection |
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| 10:30.57 | hatter | wols, um, there is no firewall by default |
| 10:31.00 | hatter | is there ? |
| 10:31.06 | jake | which will be the same as what i fill in to login to the net? |
| 10:31.11 | jake | wols?' |
| 10:31.15 | wols | hatter: no. why'd you need one? |
| 10:31.27 | wols | jake: yes |
| 10:31.36 | wols | jake: username/password you got frm your ISP |
| 10:31.43 | hatter | wols, pppoe means bridging mode modem, which means public ip address on external interface |
| 10:31.55 | jake | cool .. thanks |
| 10:31.57 | wols | hatter: and? |
| 10:32.25 | hatter | wols, he is installing from an install disk, which means plenty of services |
| 10:32.39 | wols | hatter: which ones? |
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| 10:33.10 | hatter | is it regarded that a default install is safe to be public ? |
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| 10:33.49 | hatter | i havent done an audit, i just always make sure i know which services are available, what about if nfs is enabled ? |
| 10:34.17 | wols | nfs is not enabled unless you install it |
| 10:34.29 | wols | and yes, there is a "safe by default" policy |
| 10:35.23 | wols | on a debian system a few ports are open, like time, and smtp |
| 10:35.58 | hatter | and if a new user selects everything ? |
| 10:36.02 | hatter | to install ? |
| 10:36.16 | hatter | does that include nfs ? or samba ? |
| 10:36.29 | wols | define "everything" |
| 10:36.38 | wols | you cannot install 14 CDs |
| 10:37.04 | hatter | cups ? nfs ? smbd ? |
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| 10:37.39 | wols | *sigh* cups listens on localhost only for instance |
| 10:37.54 | wols | gets tired. hmm... guess what my calendars says? |
| 10:38.00 | wols | why am I not surprised? |
| 10:39.05 | wols | hatter: the only thing I will say: running a "firewall" on the system you actually want to protect is stupid. simply fucking stupid. I leave the figure out why as a homework to you |
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| 10:44.45 | dustybin | exploits a service on hatter machine, gets root access, then switches off firewall |
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| 10:46.06 | eth01 | i've made some changes to resolv.conf -- how can i implement those changes? |
| 10:46.11 | eth01 | restart networking mhmmm? |
| 10:46.18 | dustybin | nope dont need to do anything |
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| 10:46.31 | eth01 | ohh. |
| 10:46.38 | dustybin | eth01: just restart the client software |
| 10:46.55 | dustybin | so it uses new name servers |
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| 10:51.38 | inc_ | yoyo |
| 10:51.53 | inc_ | i open up the gui to turn on 2 non cloned monitor |
| 10:51.58 | inc_ | and it wont let me press ok |
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| 11:02.44 | sxp | hi, i want to know if i can restore something I deleted with "rm -r" |
| 11:03.39 | nabax | uhm |
| 11:03.48 | nabax | which filesystem? |
| 11:03.50 | nabax | ext3? |
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| 11:04.44 | sxp | nabax, yes |
| 11:04.50 | nabax | sxp: if it's ext3 you've got this awesom script |
| 11:04.55 | nabax | svn checkout http://ext3grep.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ ext3grep-read-only |
| 11:04.59 | nabax | you can get it here |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/bridge-utils-interfaces.5' returned no results. |
| 11:05.36 | nabax | i can't help you with its usage cos i never had to use it, but i'll give u a link to the readme, a second... |
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| 11:06.10 | nabax | http://groups.google.com/group/ext3grep/web?hl=en |
| 11:06.18 | nabax | here's the website of the project |
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| 11:06.37 | nabax | i mean, if you REALLY need to recover those files, it might be worth it |
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| 11:09.15 | MrWax | What things get created when someone does adduser? |
| 11:09.16 | MrWax | a dir in /home |
| 11:09.17 | MrWax | anything more? |
| 11:09.39 | Saschaa | Hi,someone here who can install vhcs or ispcp on a debian box? i pay for it, i have try it so often.. :(............ |
| 11:09.59 | zoed | /etc/passwd, /etc/shadoe, /etc/group is edited |
| 11:10.48 | MrWax | and when I do deluser, all these are deleted again (apart from /home/user) right? |
| 11:11.13 | zoed | yes |
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| 11:11.33 | zoed | i think |
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| 11:13.17 | war9407 | What is the debian mailing list that shows you a summary once a day/week -- a list of all the new and updated packages in debian testing? |
| 11:13.20 | jake | wols . i checked /sbin/ifconfig and eth0 was there |
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| 11:13.31 | war9407 | it is not debian-testing-changes |
| 11:13.35 | jake | but there is no command as "pppoeconfig" |
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| 11:14.41 | doublehp | can someone do for me a resume of which filesystems are resizable ? to increase, and to reduce. Thanks (ext3, reisor, xfs, ext4, and the few other improtant ones) |
| 11:14.57 | war9407 | xfs is |
| 11:15.02 | jake | wols also it says "SIOCGIFFLAGS error. no such device" when i open networking |
| 11:15.04 | war9407 | I grew my 1.8tb to 3.3tb along time ago |
| 11:15.34 | wols | jake: what do you mean "open networking"? |
| 11:15.40 | jake | wols .. *pppoeconf |
| 11:15.46 | doublehp | war9407: incrase or reduce ? |
| 11:15.55 | war9407 | increase |
| 11:15.58 | jake | where we do that static or dhcp choice |
| 11:16.02 | war9407 | why would you reduce? |
| 11:16.13 | wols | jake: more info needed. what did you do and what did it spit out (as I asked you) |
| 11:16.14 | doublehp | war9407: it may happen; can be at cold. |
| 11:16.52 | war9407 | doublehp: hm ok I'd rather just make a 5-10TiB partition and be done with it personally ;) |
| 11:16.55 | jake | nothin happened wols... ifconfig showed me eth0 |
| 11:17.06 | jake | then i tried pppoeconf and it wasnt there |
| 11:17.17 | jake | command not found |
| 11:17.32 | wols | jake: there was stuff on screen when you started pppoeconf. it found your ethnert, and then tried to access the AC. did both work? |
| 11:18.17 | jake | PPPOECONF DID NOT WORK |
| 11:18.40 | wols | install the pppoeconf package then. and stop the caps |
| 11:18.51 | jake | and how do i do that without the net |
| 11:18.52 | doublehp | jake: "not found" != "not working" !!! |
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| 11:18.58 | jake | not found |
| 11:19.11 | wols | and you said something about SIOCGIFFLAGS. that is bullshit when pppoeconf wasn't there in the first place |
| 11:19.24 | wols | jake: either make logical, on topic error reposts or we can't help you |
| 11:19.32 | doublehp | jake: so, why dont you just install it ? we REALLY dont mind if you are too lame to not think to install things that are not installed yet |
| 11:20.07 | dustybin | !tell wols about swearing |
| 11:20.07 | wols | jake: stuff is on CD. and you can download the package from packages.debian.org |
| 11:20.07 | jake | i want help thats right.. |
| 11:20.07 | wols | dustybin: I don't give a fuck about any wearing |
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| 11:20.09 | dustybin | hides |
| 11:20.16 | wols | +s |
| 11:20.21 | wols | dustybin: go back to #ubuntu |
| 11:20.26 | dustybin | haha |
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| 11:24.51 | gustaf2 | swfdec-mozilla in debian sid, amd64 is uninstallable, because it depends on libswfdec-0.8-0 which is not available! |
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| 11:29.36 | MrWax | In which files get stored which users last logged in? |
| 11:30.25 | wols | MrWax: auth.log? |
| 11:30.44 | beardy | Why do you want to remove that? |
| 11:30.57 | hoxu | MrWax, man last, read the "FILES" section |
| 11:31.58 | MrWax | wols: is there any reason why it only stored attempts of last day? |
| 11:32.28 | eth01 | is the dummy0 interface normal ? |
| 11:32.31 | wols | yes. logrotate |
| 11:32.34 | eth01 | when i do ifconfig -a that is |
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| 11:32.55 | hoxu | MrWax, last |
| 11:33.28 | maligor | wow, top just showed me firefox-bin using 9999% of the cpu |
| 11:34.35 | MrWax | wols: so lets say, tomorrow, my logs of today in auth.log are gone? |
| 11:34.39 | MrWax | wols: by default |
| 11:36.00 | hoxu | MrWax, man logrotate... and don't ignore last |
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| 11:38.01 | crashanddie__ | !ping |
| 11:38.01 | dpkg | pong |
| 11:38.06 | MrWax | ok thanks |
| 11:38.11 | crashanddie__ | oh that's bad |
| 11:38.18 | wols | MrWax: not gone. gzipped |
| 11:38.58 | MrWax | ok, wow |
| 11:39.04 | MrWax | Unix systems are really solid |
| 11:39.14 | MrWax | there is no easy way for an intruder to make his login dissapear |
| 11:39.20 | MrWax | really nie |
| 11:39.21 | MrWax | nice |
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| 11:50.42 | MrWax | Is there a way of turning loggin to .bash_history off? |
| 11:51.01 | njan | history -c && exit |
| 11:51.16 | MrWax | and to turn it on again? |
| 11:51.30 | njan | well, that clears the history for your current session and closes it. |
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| 11:51.45 | anddam | hello |
| 11:51.46 | njan | so the next bash session you start will behave normally again. |
| 11:51.52 | njan | bash doesn't write to .bash_history until you exit. |
| 11:51.53 | MrWax | njan: and that will log again? |
| 11:51.56 | njan | yes. |
| 11:52.05 | anddam | when trying to check a mounted xfs partition I got a strange memory allocation error |
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| 11:52.30 | anddam | is it really a memory error or simply I can't check mounted xfs fs? |
| 11:52.44 | delight | why is it that there is no netinst of the weekly-builds ? do i have to get the beta2-netinst to install lenny ? |
| 11:54.06 | Saschaa | Hi,someone here who can install vhcs or ispcp on a debian box? i pay for it, i have try it so often.. :(............ |
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| 12:00.44 | doublehp | if any body have deep knowledge in *many* filesystems, please try to update the 6 last columns of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Features |
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| 12:02.55 | gustaf2 | doublehp: why don't you begin with explaining (not to me, but in the article) what cold/hot shrink/grow means. and especially what "Culstering" means.. |
| 12:03.19 | gustaf2 | i'd really like to know about that Culstering feature.. |
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| 12:05.00 | doublehp | gustaf2: why should I ? the page does not define the other features. I am not sure what culstering is, but i know XFS supports it. I think it's related with live update, some kind of miroring between several machines |
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| 12:06.40 | doublehp | gustaf2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS ... thne google. I dont have time to read about it, but i know it is an advanced feature that profetionals mays want to know about. for today, i want to know about which FS support resizing, and by the way, i did those two other features |
| 12:06.57 | dbmoodb | so who thinks lenny is coming out tomorrow ? (not me) |
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| 12:07.36 | gustaf2 | doublehp: the XFS wiki page says nothing about "culstering" |
| 12:07.55 | doublehp | gustaf2: in the past, i also added the IPv6 column to the web server comparator :) and after a few weeks, most of them had been updated (i only started with the main Linux ones, and few weeks later, other people did Apple and MS ones) |
| 12:08.08 | gustaf2 | are you sure this is not just an embarrasinig typo, for clustering? |
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| 12:08.42 | doublehp | gustaf2: if you had used the search internal engine of your browser (^F) you woud have found the "see also" section |
| 12:08.52 | gustaf2 | I did |
| 12:09.00 | gustaf2 | obviously you're dyslectic |
| 12:09.09 | gustaf2 | clustering != culstering |
| 12:09.15 | doublehp | gustaf2: in the table, yes it is :) |
| 12:09.41 | gustaf2 | i'm not sure what you're trying to say |
| 12:09.43 | doublehp | corected |
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| 12:10.09 | gustaf2 | finally |
| 12:10.24 | doublehp | gustaf2: i came to say: if you deeply know many filesystems, please contribute to this page |
| 12:10.33 | gustaf2 | the XFS page only states a link to CXFS |
| 12:11.04 | gustaf2 | XFS == CXFS? |
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| 12:11.52 | doublehp | that's why i did not just make it YES, but added a symlink ! |
| 12:11.59 | doublehp | oups, ref |
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| 12:12.30 | doublehp | and, i did not came to chat about XFS, but, ask if ext* and reisor4 support resizing |
| 12:12.34 | gustaf2 | yeah, refs are obviously endoresed it seems |
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| 12:12.47 | gustaf2 | 2 more and there is 100 refs just in that comparison article |
| 12:12.56 | gustaf2 | time for a face lift? |
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| 12:13.08 | gustaf2 | doublehp: ext does |
| 12:13.28 | doublehp | hot ? cold ? shrink ? grow ? |
| 12:13.50 | gustaf2 | yeah some combo.. and it's reisEr. enough with the typos already ;) |
| 12:14.22 | gustaf2 | well, I've only cold grown ext3 although people say hot works too.. some pages relate to this being "unstable".. who knows, it's linux. |
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| 12:14.59 | gustaf2 | well, let's wait a week and the table will most reasonable be filled |
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| 12:16.15 | jaalto | Does freeno have channel for linux kernel/module problems? |
| 12:16.20 | jaalto | freenode |
| 12:16.54 | doublehp | jaalto: y |
| 12:17.15 | jaalto | doublehp: what it is called. #kernel gave me blank |
| 12:17.31 | doublehp | ##kernelnewbies and ##kernel |
| 12:17.42 | jaalto | Two dashes? Hm. Okay. |
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| 12:17.49 | doublehp | products are double hashed |
| 12:18.09 | doublehp | two, when linked... to ... not any "official name" |
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| 12:18.30 | jaalto | doublehp: ok, thanks. |
| 12:18.33 | doublehp | jaalto: naming syntax changed last year |
| 12:18.54 | doublehp | should the same for things like C ... |
| 12:20.33 | doublehp | cant ext3 be encrypted ??? |
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| 12:26.37 | wols | doublehp: it can. like pretty much any other fs |
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| 12:29.50 | eth01 | which package contains libz.so? |
| 12:30.44 | zoed | eth01: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libz.so&mode=exactfilename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 12:30.53 | eth01 | ohh thanks |
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| 12:31.27 | zoed | eth01: you're welcome. btw, you can search that site (packages.debian.org) to find out stuff like that |
| 12:32.25 | egypcio | any one here with lenny(2.6.26-1 i386/amd64) + vmware(1.0.7)? |
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| 12:32.38 | zoed | no. |
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| 12:32.53 | wols | !tell egypcio about anyone |
| 12:34.09 | enouf | wols: hi, listen, about kernel page sizes, i still can't seem to get a definitive answer for myself - although, it certainly seems from what i'm able to find out is this; "it depends" http://www.csn.ul.ie/~mel/docs/vm/guide/text/understand.txt |
| 12:34.13 | zoed | !tell zoed about anyone |
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| 12:35.14 | enouf | wols: and although that info there is a few years old perhaps - it sure still seems very relevant - i'll keep looking into this though |
| 12:35.29 | wols | enouf: technically, i386 and later can use different page sizes (in different modes(. however with the flat address mode every current OS uses it's always 4k. always |
| 12:35.45 | wols | windows, linux and any other available OS uses 4k chnunks for pagesizes |
| 12:36.23 | enouf | so, "flat address mode" would be the defining thing that tells us this? |
| 12:36.58 | enouf | wols: .. i forgot to prefix with your nick |
| 12:37.10 | wols | other address modes (with different segment register entries) could use 4k pages too |
| 12:37.43 | wols | flat address mode means basically cs, ds,es,fs,gs and ss have all the same value, ie same GDT/LDT entry |
| 12:37.57 | enouf | wols: ok, good to hear your info - will research further then .. |
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| 12:38.40 | Saschaa | Hi,someone here who can install vhcs or ispcp on a debian box? i pay for it, i have try it so often.. :(............ |
| 12:39.01 | wols | enouf: 4k pages is what intel designed the CPU for basically. even if they let the door open for different sizes and different amount of memory )more than 4GB addressable, at least logically) |
| 12:39.48 | wols | however, then you get 48 bit pointers in 32bit mode, far and near pointers, and lots of nasty stuff. so to keep complexity manageable and all tidy, every OS uses only flat mode with small exceptions like PAE |
| 12:40.53 | doublehp | wols: all this is x86 specific; other arch dont have those limits. |
| 12:41.05 | enouf | wols: i see - that makes sense, and i was thinking along those lines myself - again, thanks for the info |
| 12:41.21 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.28 | egypcio | well, wols; if ANYONE has this same scenario... I can simply open a private chat. if ANYONE answers me that it (lenny+vmware107) works fine then I go google a little bit more cuz 2 or 3 weeks ago NO ONE with lenny could use vmware107. but, thanks about the advise |
| 12:41.31 | enouf | doublehp: wols yes, i'm basically referring to x86, just to keep it simple for now |
| 12:41.36 | wols | and with 80%+ marketshare it's not so dumb to design for x86 |
| 12:41.43 | doublehp | true 64b arch like Alpha and Sparc64 are way nicer to use |
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| 12:41.52 | wols | !tell egypcio about vmware |
| 12:42.09 | binrapt | Yeah x86 sucks ;[ |
| 12:42.10 | egypcio | -.- |
| 12:42.15 | wols | doublehp: x86 is the least common denominator |
| 12:42.26 | enouf | doublehp: i concur though - not to mention FS block size constraints not found in many other arches |
| 12:42.34 | doublehp | sadly, yes |
| 12:42.38 | binrapt | Shame we got stuck with that crap due to superior marketing and resources |
| 12:42.43 | enouf | binrapt: go decrypt something :-P |
| 12:42.47 | Trewas | wols: linux has hugetlb support, which can use 4MB pages with x86 processors |
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| 12:43.10 | wols | Trewas: what#s the point? |
| 12:44.06 | enouf | Trewas: i think he kind of eluded to that - and we did try to home in on this "flat addressing mode" - meant to ignore all the other various modes the kernel can run in, PAE , hugetlb, etc |
| 12:44.17 | enouf | just for clarity |
| 12:44.39 | Trewas | wols: I guess mostly to avoid having an insanely large number of tiny pages, which can hurt performance for example with database servers with lots of memory |
| 12:44.56 | enouf | wols: so, but would you concur that one cannot tell someone "your kernel is using 4K pages" without knowing more about their kernel + arch + mode ? |
| 12:45.07 | wols | Trewas: so it's more of a "swap out big chunks instead of small ones when needed"? |
| 12:45.48 | wols | enouf: let'S just say you are very very rarely wrong íf you say "your kernel uses 4k pages". |
| 12:46.02 | wols | the amount of people using something differently are basically a rounding error |
| 12:46.22 | enouf | wols: ok - right now i won;t disagree - thanks again for the convo - i will return .. at some point ;-) |
| 12:46.51 | enouf | but not quite "corner cases" either i'd say, from just a hunch |
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| 12:47.06 | Trewas | wols: for every page a translation from virtual to real addres has to be made, and using large pages fewer translations are required |
| 12:47.27 | wols | Trewas: so it saves TLB space? |
| 12:47.45 | Trewas | wols: exactly, but I have no idea how much of a bottleneck that is in reality |
| 12:48.05 | wols | maybe if your DB server has obscene amounts of RAM? |
| 12:48.54 | anddam | wols: at what point ram quantity becomes obscene? |
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| 12:50.24 | Trewas | wols: that's probably the main point of hugetlb support |
| 12:50.37 | enouf | Trewas: if we look at hugetlb support, yes indeed (4MiB), however, not many people even know what that is (users, in general) .. and i'm still reading all about it (though i had prior at some point) .. but more to the point, one who isn't sysadmin in charge of servers using lots of RAM will usually not recompile to have that support built in (IIUC) - also, i don't know (yet) if hugetlb is the only mode that (can) enable(s) 4MiB pages (othe |
| 12:50.37 | enouf | than PAE) |
| 12:50.57 | enouf | did "(other than PAE)" come through? |
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| 12:51.10 | wols | anddam: a amd cpu has 48bit phys address bus. however you don't find any mobo and ram modules that can have that much RAM |
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| 12:51.29 | Trewas | enouf: I think that both kernel and application has to specifically use huge pages, so by default everything is 4k |
| 12:51.40 | enouf | Trewas: and honestly, i haven;t looked at debian's default config concerning that either lately |
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| 12:51.55 | enouf | Trewas: would make sense then - ok, thanks |
| 12:51.58 | wols | Trewas: the app doesn't care about pagesizes. never did. for PAE however the app has to have support |
| 12:52.02 | xingu | finds a hynix spec sheet for a 512Mx64 ddr3 part |
| 12:52.04 | xingu | salivates |
| 12:52.39 | anddam | xingu: it's like a 4gb module? |
| 12:52.51 | xingu | anddam: indeed |
| 12:52.57 | anddam | tasty |
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| 12:53.26 | Trewas | wols: looking at kernel's Documentation/vm/hugetlbpage.txt application has to ask for huge pages with mmap or sysv shared memory, so one would assume huge pages are not used by default |
| 12:54.24 | xingu | anddam: unfortunately only in sodimm package as yet :| |
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| 12:57.44 | enouf | xingu: btw - no luck yet with my nvidia SBA + FW support :-/ .. take a look at some conflicting evidence - hehe .. http://pastebin.ca/raw/1201761 notice how "/proc/driver/nvidia/agp/card" says the opposite of "/proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge" http://pastebin.ca/raw/1202497 |
| 12:58.11 | enouf | xingu: too funny - no worries, i'm tired of messing with it atm - more play time when i'm interested again :-) |
| 12:59.22 | xingu | enouf: if you're really unlucky the card and bridge really do disagree ;) |
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| 12:59.44 | enouf | xingu: sounds like .. me :-P oh well |
| 13:00.38 | enouf | notes; gotta run out now - bbl, thanks folks |
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| 13:20.29 | paul0 | when i execute "apt-get install gcc", it tries to remove the gnome-office, gnome-panel, gnome-session... |
| 13:20.55 | paul0 | how do i install gcc without removing these packages? i'm using gnome here |
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| 13:29.12 | shyam_k | hi we are planning to give debian cds during sfd.. which should we give etch or lenny? |
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| 13:29.24 | livingdaylight1 | hi |
| 13:29.58 | shyam_k | means if lenny is stable enough, i would really like it as it may be having better structure.. |
| 13:30.08 | livingdaylight1 | can someone give me the most recent (Lenny?) ppc for a mac G3 (iBook) ? |
| 13:30.29 | paul0 | shyam_k, i'm running lenny here, quite stable |
| 13:30.29 | shyam_k | livingdaylight1: most recent should be the weekly builds.. |
| 13:30.59 | shyam_k | yeah i too run lunny for months.. but i wanted to know the feedbacks about the weekly builds now available..it varies na.. |
| 13:31.10 | shyam_k | s/lunny/lenny/ |
| 13:31.23 | livingdaylight1 | shyam_k: i mean most recent stable |
| 13:31.49 | shyam_k | livingdaylight1: ah thats what i too is looking for here |
| 13:32.12 | torr | what is going to happen to my etch when lenny become stable? |
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| 13:32.36 | torr | (will everything get upgraded at once? |
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| 13:32.55 | shyam_k | torr: depends on your sources.list i think.. |
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| 13:33.50 | shyam_k | if its having etch instead of stable,it should be remaining at etch.. i donno how it would change if you have given it as "stable" and when lenny is declared as stable.. |
| 13:34.15 | torr | I have it as etch |
| 13:34.25 | torr | but I want to upgrade |
| 13:35.12 | dvs | shyam_k: if "stable" is specified in the sources.list, it would automatically upgrade to lenny but you have no control over when that happens. |
| 13:35.20 | shyam_k | hmm.. |
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| 13:36.13 | livingdaylight1 | is lenny stable released now? |
| 13:36.23 | shyam_k | torr: debian.org should have the doc some where but i followed http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/06/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/ and was successful.. |
| 13:36.59 | shyam_k | !lenny release |
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| 13:37.22 | dvs | livingdaylight1: no |
| 13:37.41 | livingdaylight1 | dvs: thx |
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| 13:38.16 | livingdaylight1 | dvs: so if i want debian stable ppc for old iBook G3 (500MHz) i should install etch? |
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| 13:39.14 | shyam_k | i once prefered lenny to etch while giving out the cds,as i found lenny supporting more hardwares, but as the particular weekly builds i downloaded to give to the massess had issues on their systems which i didnt see on mine or on the systems i tested.. So it was like stability vs hardware support for me choosing etch and lenny..So if the current weekly builds are out of such major problems,i would go for lenny..am i correct on this? |
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| 13:40.01 | dvs | shyam_k: there is no guarentee that lenny will not have more build problems afterwards |
| 13:40.16 | shyam_k | hmm.. |
| 13:40.22 | Unbeck | I have a bunch of debs, how could I put it to apt-get cache deleting the old ones |
| 13:40.28 | shyam_k | dvs: u mean after release? |
| 13:40.38 | dvs | Unbeck: apt-get autoclean |
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| 13:40.44 | dvs | shyam_k: no, before release |
| 13:40.45 | livingdaylight1 | what is the channel for debian ppc? |
| 13:40.58 | shyam_k | dvs: ok got it clear thanks.. |
| 13:41.02 | dvs | np |
| 13:41.05 | Unbeck | dvs, what does that do? |
| 13:41.26 | dvs | Unbeck: it deletes all the deb out of the /var/cache/apt directory |
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| 13:41.51 | Unbeck | that's not what I want |
| 13:41.57 | nkuttler | dvs: that would be clean |
| 13:42.08 | Unbeck | I have a bunch of debs in a separate directory |
| 13:42.24 | Unbeck | and I want to use them as cache but remove the old ones |
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| 13:42.48 | dvs | Unbeck: then I'm not sure how to do that |
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| 13:45.01 | doublehp | can ls show atime ctime and mtime all together ? |
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| 13:47.01 | Notino | hey, ive just restored my windows machine onto a hard-drive that used debian, but its trying to boot grub (which isnt there), can i remove this? |
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| 13:47.45 | nkuttler | Notino: hm, that's kind of ot. the windows installer should wipe out grub. |
| 13:48.11 | icedtea | Notino: what ver of windows? |
| 13:48.17 | Notino | vista |
| 13:48.25 | Notino | well it wasnt windows installer |
| 13:48.32 | Notino | i used acronis to backup onto the hard-drive |
| 13:48.39 | Notino | maybe i shoul dhave fdisked first? |
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| 13:49.13 | nkuttler | Notino: still ot. make a boot floppy. |
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| 13:49.18 | icedtea | Notino: boot from the vista dvd and run a boot repair |
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| 13:49.37 | icedtea | Notino: it will restore the boot loader to vista's |
| 13:49.43 | Notino | ok thanks guys |
| 13:49.50 | Notino | sorry about ot |
| 13:49.51 | icedtea | no prob |
| 13:49.54 | icedtea | no prob |
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| 13:51.17 | toksotis | when debian lenny will be released? they said september and nothing yet |
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| 13:51.49 | icedtea | patience toksotis-san |
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| 13:52.13 | toksotis | -san ? |
| 13:52.17 | dvs | icedtea: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Patience. How long will that take? ;-) |
| 13:53.23 | toksotis | :( |
| 13:53.31 | icedtea | toksotis: sorry I'm taking a japanese course right now :) |
| 13:53.53 | toksotis | and san what means? |
| 13:54.18 | icedtea | you add it to the end of someone's name, its polite and formal |
| 13:54.32 | peppe | toksotis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_titles#San |
| 13:55.05 | toksotis | nice :) |
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| 14:00.21 | vsayikiran | hi all i am unable to suspend my laptop please tell me |
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| 14:02.00 | Knusper | hey |
| 14:02.20 | Knusper | whats the issue with python-mode and emacs22 in testing? |
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| 14:02.34 | Knusper | will that be fixed untill stable... |
| 14:02.35 | Knusper | ? |
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| 14:03.51 | Ward1983 | i read this: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiHowto |
| 14:03.54 | lxsameer_ | what is the steps of logging out , restarting and shuting down from a desktop environment like kde? |
| 14:04.07 | Ward1983 | i have a precompiled EABI kernel so i can skip that part |
| 14:04.22 | Ward1983 | now to get a working system al i need to do is the chroot line? |
| 14:04.36 | Ward1983 | ¨debootstrap --verbose --arch armel --foreign lenny /armel-chroot http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian |
| 14:04.37 | Ward1983 | chroot /armel-chroot /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage¨ |
| 14:04.52 | vsayikiran | i am using dell laptop, my laptop is not suspending |
| 14:05.45 | k-man_ | i'm trying to get poppassd working on port 106, its in /etc/services and /etc/inet.d but it doesn't seem to work when i telnet to port 106 |
| 14:05.51 | k-man_ | how can i debug why its failing? |
| 14:06.13 | k-man_ | it just closes the connection when i telnet to port 106 |
| 14:06.27 | vsayikiran | how to suspend laptop, whenever ui try to suspend i get a message "yout computer failed to suspend" |
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| 14:06.53 | cahoot | vsayikiran: what laptop? |
| 14:07.07 | vsayikiran | cahoot: dell latitude laptop |
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| 14:07.43 | vsayikiran | cahoot; i ws able to suspend in my previous installation |
| 14:07.55 | Nolana | How do I initialize network? When I type ifconfig I see only 127.0.0.1 interface |
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| 14:08.49 | vsayikiran | cahoot: then i reinstalled etch from netinst cd, after that i am not able to suspend my laptop |
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| 14:09.23 | cahoot | vsayikiran: I'd look at tuxmodil.org |
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| 14:09.30 | cahoot | tuxmobil.org |
| 14:09.36 | Knusper | the problem with python mode atm is, that it depends on emacs21 |
| 14:09.40 | Knusper | which is wrong |
| 14:09.46 | Knusper | works good with emacs22 |
| 14:10.04 | Knusper | however, the maintainer seems not to care about this |
| 14:11.01 | vsayikiran | cahoot: i will search this website later , do have any idea what should i do? |
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| 14:12.16 | alex111 | hi alll, what programs can I use to play rtp stream? I'm using mplayer, but dont get good sound . what else are there? thanks |
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| 14:13.19 | Knusper | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473232 |
| 14:13.33 | Knusper | bug is there since 1/2 year |
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| 14:16.42 | stew | Knusper: in emacs22 python-mode is builtin, so there is no reason for the add-on |
| 14:16.57 | dudeman | builtin? |
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| 14:17.13 | dudeman | you mean the package comes with a pythonmode.el? or how is it built in? |
| 14:17.25 | stew | Knusper: and afaik, this one doesn't work with emacs22 anyway |
| 14:17.38 | Nolana | I get network is unreachable when pinging a computer on lan |
| 14:17.39 | Knusper | stew: when i just install emacs22 i get an error |
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| 14:17.47 | stew | Knusper: what error? |
| 14:18.05 | Knusper | one moment... i uninstall python-mode and emacs21 first |
| 14:18.35 | dudeman | I like jed, it aslo has an emacs emulatio mode + easy shortcut menus uptop etc. etc. |
| 14:19.01 | dudeman | I think it defaults to emacs emulation in deb |
| 14:19.15 | Knusper | "Cannot open load file: python-mode". |
| 14:19.30 | Knusper | this happens only with emacs22 |
| 14:19.35 | dudeman | he just told you |
| 14:19.39 | Knusper | there is also a bug |
| 14:19.45 | dudeman | that mode doesn't work with 22 |
| 14:19.53 | dudeman | ? |
| 14:19.59 | Knusper | dudeman: i get this error when i uninstall python-mode |
| 14:20.03 | Knusper | ok? |
| 14:20.17 | dudeman | no clue man im just jumping in i shouldn't be |
| 14:20.18 | dudeman | I'm bored. |
| 14:20.30 | Knusper | yeah...ok |
| 14:20.31 | Knusper | np |
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| 14:21.14 | dudeman | Nolana, is that machine online? is your interfaces file have correct info about your lan? is your machine messed up or the host? u think |
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| 14:21.38 | stew | Knusper: you get the "Cannot open load file: python-mode". when uninstalling python-mode? |
| 14:21.47 | Knusper | right |
| 14:21.57 | Knusper | in emacs22 |
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| 14:22.07 | stew | Knusper: can you show the entire output? |
| 14:22.16 | stew | !pastebin |
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| 14:22.24 | Knusper | there is no entiere output? |
| 14:22.28 | Knusper | its just this message |
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| 14:25.06 | Knusper | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/python-mode/+bug/155681 |
| 14:25.11 | Knusper | like here |
| 14:25.17 | Knusper | that was my first google result |
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| 14:25.34 | dudeman | im sure if ubuntu has it then is probably filed with debina first maybe? |
| 14:25.38 | dudeman | check the debian bts? |
| 14:26.03 | Knusper | yeah... |
| 14:26.23 | Knusper | so i think the problem is... that after uninstalling python mode i still have: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/python-mode/+bug/155681 |
| 14:26.25 | Knusper | sorry |
| 14:26.41 | Knusper | so i think the problem is... that after uninstalling python mode i still have: Loading /etc/emacs/site-start.d/50python-mode.el (source)...done |
| 14:26.48 | Knusper | in my masseges |
| 14:26.50 | Knusper | messages |
| 14:27.03 | Knusper | so it seems that uninstalling python mode does not remove this script |
| 14:27.38 | dudeman | so u remove the script but its still tryint to be loaded? |
| 14:27.43 | dudeman | or soemthing? |
| 14:27.47 | Nolana | dudeman, how do i configure my interfaces file? |
| 14:27.53 | dudeman | Nolana, man 5 interfaces |
| 14:28.11 | Knusper | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=424973 |
| 14:28.14 | Knusper | is that you ^^ |
| 14:28.20 | dudeman | Nolana, google for samples or look in /usr/share/doc somewhere... it should be in the manpage (example file) |
| 14:28.57 | stew | Knusper: yes |
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| 14:28.58 | stew | heh |
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| 14:29.07 | Knusper | ok |
| 14:29.12 | Knusper | so thats exactly the problem |
| 14:29.36 | Knusper | i have to purge it instead of removing it? |
| 14:29.48 | stew | Knusper: yes, since the file in /etc is a conffile |
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| 14:30.27 | dudeman | I was thinking that too.. its being loaded from somewhere still... because the config file still exists |
| 14:30.37 | Nolana | dudeman, can you have a look at what's wrong plz - http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6047/clipboard03nl0.png |
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| 14:30.38 | Knusper | it is, sure... but it should not break an existing emacs22 installation |
| 14:30.49 | dudeman | Knusper, well thats why its a bug :) |
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| 14:31.07 | Knusper | well... thats why it should be fixed :) |
| 14:31.16 | dudeman | Nolana, no. |
| 14:31.25 | Nolana | why? |
| 14:31.25 | dudeman | Nolana, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 14:31.39 | dudeman | Nolana, from both machiens. |
| 14:32.01 | stew | Knusper: how would you propose fixing it? |
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| 14:33.14 | dudeman | stew, are you maintaing emacs22? |
| 14:33.23 | Knusper | stew: i have something similar in my own .emacs ... it checks which version of emacs is running |
| 14:33.34 | stew | Knusper: can you send a patch to this bug? |
| 14:33.49 | Knusper | maybe... i am just figuring out |
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| 14:33.55 | dudeman | oh nm |
| 14:33.57 | stew | Knusper: that would be excellent |
| 14:34.00 | dudeman | doh, its up top! |
| 14:34.19 | dudeman | Matthias Klose |
| 14:35.05 | Nolana | dudeman http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4081/clipboard03zr7.png |
| 14:35.14 | Nolana | the other machine is windows |
| 14:35.14 | dudeman | Nolana, pastebin |
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| 14:35.38 | Nolana | dudeman, I can't yet, it's only 4kB |
| 14:36.05 | dudeman | Nolana, your broadcast and gatewaay are fine? |
| 14:36.13 | dudeman | those two entries seem peculiar on 2.0? |
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| 14:36.30 | Nolana | what do you mean |
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| 14:36.59 | dudeman | so you just can't access/ping the windows machine? everything else is fine? |
| 14:37.12 | dudeman | what about windows? does that ping some other stuff but not this machine? |
| 14:37.21 | Nolana | I tried only ping |
| 14:37.26 | dudeman | you sure maybe your windows config is toast? |
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| 14:37.38 | Nolana | nope windows is fine |
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| 14:38.03 | Knusper | stew: but hopefully my patch won't break xemacs |
| 14:38.16 | Knusper | cause i dunno if they have a python mode in 22 |
| 14:38.16 | Nolana | oh, I found solution |
| 14:38.22 | dudeman | Nolana, what? |
| 14:38.35 | Nolana | dudeman, thanks your words made me think of the windows firewall |
| 14:38.45 | Nolana | it was blocking the ping ) |
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| 14:38.48 | dudeman | ahh yes,.. the windows crapola |
| 14:38.52 | dudeman | ick. |
| 14:38.54 | Nolana | yeah) |
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| 14:42.29 | Knusper | stew: i would propose just to check if emacs version 21 is running, and then do what needs to be done... |
| 14:42.41 | Knusper | otherwise this script should do nothing |
| 14:42.58 | stew | Knusper: sounds good to me |
| 14:43.38 | dudeman | so add a function to the script in your patch that checks and verifies emacs version when it tries to load |
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| 14:43.46 | dudeman | #emacs #elisp |
| 14:44.12 | dudeman | or? what is the solution? how would you put in the check? |
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| 14:45.40 | Knusper | i have it already patched |
| 14:45.43 | Knusper | works for me |
| 14:47.03 | Nolana | how do I find out whether a package is installed? |
| 14:47.28 | Knusper | with aptitude? |
| 14:47.34 | Nolana | how? |
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| 14:48.20 | Knusper | dudeman: how long does it take before my message appears on the dbt |
| 14:48.28 | Knusper | Nolana: isn't it obvious |
| 14:48.40 | Nolana | eerm no |
| 14:48.41 | Knusper | ? |
| 14:48.44 | Nolana | try to install? |
| 14:48.59 | guysoft42 | hi all, i am trying to build a package with a binary that takes 5.5MB. when i run dpkg-buildpackage (i have the the rules cp file $(DESTDIR) ) . it only copies 1.1M of the file, what could be causing that? |
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| 14:49.04 | Knusper | when i run aptitude i see a tree called "installed packages" |
| 14:49.17 | guysoft42 | in the rules* |
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| 14:50.28 | Knusper | dudeman & stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=424973#22 ... my proposal ... |
| 14:50.38 | Nolana | do I need the cifs package to mount windows shares? |
| 14:50.50 | dudeman | Nolana, install samba-common I think |
| 14:51.01 | dudeman | Nolana, then mount -t cifs yes |
| 14:51.28 | Nolana | hmmm |
| 14:51.34 | Nolana | it doesn't find any packages |
| 14:51.39 | dudeman | Nolana, I'm not too sure.. I *think* its samba-common |
| 14:51.48 | Nolana | apt-get update doesn't help |
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| 14:52.41 | Knusper | i never ever have submitted a patch in my life... so if you say that what i am proposing is a good idea... |
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| 14:52.52 | Knusper | maybe i should do it |
| 14:53.13 | dudeman | Nolana, man mount.cifs |
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| 14:53.30 | dudeman | Knusper, do you know how to prepare a patch? |
| 14:53.38 | Knusper | not really |
| 14:53.40 | Knusper | :) |
| 14:53.42 | dudeman | take your original file |
| 14:53.47 | dudeman | copy it somewhere |
| 14:53.49 | Knusper | the patched one? |
| 14:53.52 | dudeman | edit the copy |
| 14:53.59 | dudeman | no |
| 14:54.00 | dudeman | original |
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| 14:54.07 | Knusper | ah |
| 14:54.10 | dudeman | then edit the copy and diff it to the original |
| 14:54.15 | dudeman | to produce a patch file |
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| 14:54.23 | dudeman | my enter key is going crazy again UGH! |
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| 14:55.36 | Nolana | how do I make apt-get update properly |
| 14:55.40 | Nolana | repositories |
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| 14:55.52 | dudeman | Knusper, for more help on fixing bugs and sending in patches pleae visit irc.debian.org #debian-bugs |
| 14:56.10 | dudeman | Nolana, use aptitude instead.. aptitude update |
| 14:56.19 | dudeman | Nolana, or apt-get update |
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| 14:56.45 | Nolana | still no |
| 14:56.50 | dudeman | Nolana, no what? |
| 14:56.56 | Nolana | doesn't update |
| 14:57.00 | dudeman | Nolana, whats your error message? what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:57.19 | Nolana | I am trying to "aptitude/apt-get update" |
| 14:57.30 | dudeman | ok, what happens when you type that? |
| 14:57.35 | Nolana | how can I copy the messages from the console? |
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| 14:57.41 | Nolana | so as to pastebin |
| 14:57.49 | dudeman | there is a pastebin cli thingy hang on |
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| 14:57.58 | Knusper | dudeman>then edit the copy and diff it to the original |
| 14:57.59 | Knusper | <dudeman>to produce a patch file |
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| 14:58.11 | Knusper | i have the two files now inside one dir |
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| 14:58.45 | dudeman | !nopaste howto |
| 14:58.45 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin howto is step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here. |
| 14:58.52 | dudeman | or... |
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| 14:58.58 | dudeman | !pastebin pip |
| 14:59.00 | dudeman | !pastebin pipe |
| 14:59.00 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
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| 14:59.23 | dudeman | !console paster |
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| 14:59.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, console paster is yes, Virginia, you can use a pastebin website from console. Save any relevant to file (redirect stdout & stderr). Install a console-mode browser (elinks, w3m, lynx), and console mouse management (gpm) and screen ('screen', RTFM for copy/paste). Use irssi-text as a text-mode IRC client, and sort it out. Remember: help us help you. http://pastebin.ca/tools.php |
| 14:59.27 | dudeman | that should help |
| 14:59.39 | Nolana | ok |
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| 15:00.09 | hellojoe | any ETA on lenny? |
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| 15:00.16 | dudeman | !wir |
| 15:00.16 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:00.30 | dudeman | hellojoe, frozen for a while... working on fixing bugs |
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| 15:00.38 | dudeman | hellojoe, u help, we pushit out faster... |
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| 15:01.00 | dudeman | !lenny status |
| 15:01.00 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 15:01.40 | hellojoe | can anyone contribute to the debian source code? |
| 15:01.51 | dudeman | yes |
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| 15:01.53 | Knusper | dudeman: how do i diff |
| 15:02.01 | dudeman | hellojoe, visit #debian-boot |
| 15:02.12 | dudeman | hellojoe, you can always submit patches to any bus you want on the BTS |
| 15:02.13 | Knusper | so i can diff |
| 15:02.20 | dudeman | Knusper, google |
| 15:02.27 | dudeman | sorry to have to tell you but all that is there |
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| 15:02.55 | dudeman | http://tinyurl.com/58jemt |
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| 15:02.58 | dudeman | enjoy |
| 15:03.06 | guysoft42 | oh well. i solved it by using gzinp and gunzip |
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| 15:04.53 | Nolana | where is the pastebin? |
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| 15:06.27 | hans__ | !pastebin |
| 15:06.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 15:06.33 | Knusper | diff -u original.c new.c > original.patch |
| 15:06.38 | Knusper | like that |
| 15:06.48 | Knusper | and then i just mail it to the bug? |
| 15:06.51 | dudeman | I'm not answering questions like that. |
| 15:06.59 | Nolana | dudeman, http://paste.debian.net/17245/ |
| 15:07.12 | Nolana | this is the result of aptitude update |
| 15:07.17 | Knusper | there is only one person in debian-bugs |
| 15:07.24 | dudeman | Nolana, you can remove the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:07.27 | dudeman | doh |
| 15:07.29 | dudeman | Nolana, you can remove the cdrom lines in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:07.38 | dudeman | Knusper, on irc.oftc.net :) |
| 15:07.52 | Knusper | say that to me |
| 15:07.54 | dudeman | and man diff is all you should read for now |
| 15:08.02 | dudeman | and man patch |
| 15:08.05 | Knusper | i have created the patch |
| 15:08.06 | Nolana | ok, then what? |
| 15:08.15 | dudeman | Nolana, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 15:08.18 | dudeman | Nolana, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:08.22 | Knusper | at least the dift |
| 15:08.22 | dudeman | FUCJKING tab competqjl;jfa;ldjf |
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| 15:08.27 | Knusper | :-) |
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| 15:10.41 | Nolana | dudeman, http://paste.debian.net/17245/ |
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| 15:11.54 | Nolana | oops sorry not that |
| 15:12.11 | dudeman | yeh it seems you don't have a good sources.list from that |
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| 15:12.55 | dudeman | disable all the cdrom entries, (comment them out with # ) and add deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 15:13.01 | dudeman | and one for security/updates |
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| 15:13.12 | dudeman | !tell Nolana -about sources.list |
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| 15:15.07 | Knusper | commited the patch |
| 15:15.13 | dudeman | cool |
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| 15:15.23 | dudeman | Thank you |
| 15:15.27 | Knusper | np |
| 15:15.36 | Knusper | its dirty |
| 15:15.39 | Knusper | but works |
| 15:15.42 | Nolana | dudeman, like this? |
| 15:15.42 | Nolana | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:15.42 | Nolana | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 15:15.47 | dudeman | im sure they will clean it up |
| 15:16.21 | Knusper | at least it does not break emacs22 |
| 15:16.29 | dudeman | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 15:16.31 | dudeman | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:16.35 | dudeman | I have lenny so I use lenny |
| 15:16.44 | dudeman | you should change lenny to etch if you want etch |
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| 15:16.59 | Nolana | How do I know what I am running:) |
| 15:17.01 | dudeman | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free <-- my mistke this is wrong (note /debian) is not needed |
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| 15:17.08 | Knusper | ok... than i work on my python skills |
| 15:17.10 | arezey | Nolana, look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:17.10 | Knusper | cu |
| 15:17.12 | dudeman | Nolana, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:17.13 | Knusper | bye |
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| 15:17.25 | dudeman | Nolana, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 15:17.52 | Nolana | dudeman, what's that for? |
| 15:17.59 | dudeman | 11:16 < Nolana> How do I know what I am running:) |
| 15:18.09 | Nolana | oh I have etch |
| 15:18.11 | Nolana | 4.0 |
| 15:18.45 | Nolana | I was asking of apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 15:18.51 | Nolana | what is that for? |
| 15:18.53 | Nolana | the same> |
| 15:18.54 | Nolana | ? |
| 15:19.00 | dudeman | why don't you find out? :) |
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| 15:19.10 | Nolana | well it gives no output |
| 15:19.25 | dudeman | ... |
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| 15:20.19 | doublehp | !tell me about mplayer |
| 15:20.19 | dudeman | !tell doublehp -about selftell |
| 15:20.19 | dudeman | !dpkg.web.search |
| 15:20.19 | dpkg | dpkg.web.search is, like, A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 15:21.09 | dudeman | AHLASDKfh |
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| 15:21.26 | dudeman | I'm getting sleepy again... I'm gonna go back to bed.. see you guys later. Goodluck with it all. :) |
| 15:22.19 | doublehp | dudeman: the problem is that i never remember the bot name; thus, i always need a public !tell before chatting deeper with the bot. |
| 15:22.54 | doublehp | furthermore, chatting with dpkg is impossible if i did not join this chan ... |
| 15:23.09 | dudeman | http://dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 15:23.21 | dudeman | !dpkgbot |
| 15:23.21 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg>. |
| 15:23.23 | asg | doublehp: you could always write it down you know |
| 15:23.32 | dudeman | asg, heh. |
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| 15:24.16 | dudeman | asg |
| 15:24.20 | dudeman | A Scary Guy ? |
| 15:24.23 | dudeman | ;) |
| 15:24.37 | dudeman | there used to be a scarynetworkguy, sng, I wonder what happened to him |
| 15:24.39 | dudeman | !seen sng |
| 15:24.39 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'sng', dudeman |
| 15:24.48 | dudeman | !seen scarynetworkguy |
| 15:24.48 | dpkg | dudeman: i haven't seen 'scarynetworkguy' |
| 15:24.51 | asg | dudeman: he and I are in some Obsd channels |
| 15:25.00 | dudeman | asg, you're an obsd user? |
| 15:25.02 | dudeman | nice, me too! |
| 15:25.07 | asg | dudeman: yes, for some applications |
| 15:25.15 | dudeman | since 4 years or so nwo |
| 15:25.17 | dudeman | :) |
| 15:25.26 | asg | since 2.9 here |
| 15:25.30 | dudeman | cool |
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| 15:25.40 | asg | dudeman: asg is just ... easy to type :) |
| 15:25.46 | dudeman | :) |
| 15:26.13 | dudeman | !seen Azar |
| 15:26.13 | dpkg | dudeman: i haven't seen 'azar' |
| 15:26.21 | dudeman | damn dpkg whats the matter with you! |
| 15:26.29 | dudeman | dpkg, stupid bot! |
| 15:26.29 | dpkg | no, stupid dudeman |
| 15:26.35 | dudeman | hahaah ok sleepy time. |
| 15:26.44 | dudeman | *screen detatched* |
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| 15:36.00 | SamWeasley | Hi! |
| 15:36.09 | SamWeasley | I tried KDE 4.1 from backport |
| 15:36.19 | SamWeasley | But I want new plasmas from extragear... |
| 15:36.28 | SamWeasley | Someone knows how to install it? |
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| 15:43.08 | ajs | Hi, man interfaces talks about "address" being colon delimited, but what if I want to specify a ipv4 AND ipv6 address for a static interface (ipv6 addr have colons in them) |
| 15:47.52 | torr | is threre a volatile source? |
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| 15:49.59 | roxy_ | I am using lenny atm, and want to stick with it when it become stable. Do I have chance to use kde4 with it ? or is it to early ? |
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| 15:51.48 | zzerxsd | 2.6.18-5-686 = etch? |
| 15:51.56 | cahoot | roxy_: http://kde4.debian.net/ |
| 15:52.00 | SamWeasley | roxy_: I installed KDE4 from backports and it's okay for now... Very nice, with all eyecandy you could like |
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| 15:52.20 | SamWeasley | Only the extragear plasmas it's missing |
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| 15:52.40 | SamWeasley | I don't have any network monitor and memory/cpu plasmas |
| 15:52.51 | SamWeasley | And superkaramba is broken AFAIT |
| 15:53.09 | roxy_ | SamWeasley: I use it for work. "is ok for now" is not really good enough for me. |
| 15:53.14 | zzerxsd | its kernel debian 2.6.18-5-686 etch or sid, or ?? |
| 15:53.40 | SamWeasley | roxy_: so stick a little on kde 3.5.9. It's wiser for now... |
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| 15:54.06 | SamWeasley | I believe when Lenny go to stable KDE 4.0 Backport will be really ready for a work station (i'm on home) |
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| 15:54.53 | roxy_ | SamWeasley: "backports being available until at least 10 days after they were available in experimental" |
| 15:55.05 | roxy_ | you're advice seems wise :-) |
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| 15:56.26 | SamWeasley | I'm using backports on my personal notebook... :P |
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| 16:01.33 | SamWeasley | zzersxsd; AFAIK, etch |
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| 16:03.30 | stew | zzerxsd: etch currently has 2.6.18-6 and 2.6.24-1, so that is etch, but outdated |
| 16:03.55 | jlu_ | hi, after an installation of debain etch i got a grub error 2. any ideas to fix it? |
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| 16:05.51 | torr | what is this : |
| 16:05.55 | torr | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] |
| 16:05.57 | torr | ? |
| 16:06.07 | torr | when patching? |
| 16:06.14 | wols | jlu_: more info needed |
| 16:06.34 | wols | torr: man patch and check what -R does |
| 16:06.36 | jlu_ | wols, which info do you need? |
| 16:06.52 | wols | where and how grub is installed, the menu.lst, etc |
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| 16:07.50 | cahoot | torr: as the msg suggests - the patch already applied? |
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| 16:08.23 | torr | cahoot, seem llike that or reversed |
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| 16:11.49 | jlu_ | wols, it seems the edbian-installer didn't create the memu.lst there is only a grml-template-menu.lst. |
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| 16:12.05 | karma_ | Hello! Can I make Linux bridge act like hub? (Simply route all packets from one interface to another) |
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| 16:14.55 | jlu_ | wols, sorry that was the wrong partition |
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| 16:19.38 | zzerxsd | hey people, i like to recompile my kernel etch, its there a tutorial, or t least make it so doesn't load too many modules t start :p |
| 16:19.54 | Kovensky | zzerxsd: blacklist the modules you don't want |
| 16:20.27 | zzerxsd | cd /usr/src && make condif or what? |
| 16:21.19 | cahoot | zzerxsd: why do you think you need recompile? |
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| 16:22.14 | zzerxsd | my lappie loads bunch of stuff i dont have, i like to have debian like i got freebsd, only what i have, ;) |
| 16:22.33 | cahoot | zzerxsd: try the info from /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 16:22.53 | Kovensky | should blacklist the annoying pcspkr |
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| 16:23.59 | cahoot | zzerxsd: else - the matter of how to configure a kernel isn't a good subject for irc |
| 16:24.39 | zzerxsd | imm how i that? |
| 16:24.46 | zzerxsd | **is |
| 16:25.28 | cahoot | a rather lengthy and for each system specific matter |
| 16:25.51 | cahoot | (if you want a custom kernel) |
| 16:26.43 | Gnurdux | its actually not that difficult |
| 16:26.58 | Gnurdux | most of the stuff in menuconfig is explained well |
| 16:27.20 | cahoot | Gnurdux: well my point was it's not well suited for irc |
| 16:27.45 | zzerxsd | yeah ...thats what i want 'menuconfig' but eems i can't found it, where is it? |
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| 16:30.33 | jpinx | enouf: thanks for the words. I got an install partially done with deboostrap but no ifconfig success yet. I'll be back later to do more. |
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| 16:32.50 | Orbixx | Anyone know a way to allow FTP through with iptables? |
| 16:33.47 | Kovensky | Orbixx: if you disable iptables, it will allow :) |
| 16:33.56 | Kovensky | has no idea on how to configure iptables :/ |
| 16:34.09 | Orbixx | I've got everything working apart from FTP. |
| 16:34.24 | Orbixx | It's a tricky one. |
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| 16:36.52 | eljefe | Can anyone tell me the current state of FireWire Video Capture in Lenny? Last I checked, the old tools were 'insecure' and not being used, but the new driver was incomplete and unusable... has this been rectified? |
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| 16:37.58 | eljefe | !firewire |
| 16:37.58 | dpkg | well, firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
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| 16:39.40 | JyZyXEL | i heard that USB uses alot more resources when transferring at high speeds |
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| 16:39.55 | gynterk | hmm |
| 16:40.01 | gynterk | I still have this battery crash problem |
| 16:40.30 | gynterk | Machine crashes when runs on battery |
| 16:40.37 | gynterk | but only when I run X |
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| 16:41.00 | dbmoodb | Orbixx: you might need the ftp module... |
| 16:41.52 | zzerxsd | i can find make menuconfig :s |
| 16:43.13 | cahoot | zzerxsd: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
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| 16:48.47 | gynterk | How can I disable acpi? |
| 16:48.57 | gynterk | with acpi=no as grup option? |
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| 16:50.04 | gynterk | brb |
| 16:50.29 | Supaplex | !noacpi |
| 16:50.37 | cahoot | off I'd guess |
| 16:50.37 | F6F | hi |
| 16:50.37 | Supaplex | humm... |
| 16:51.12 | Supaplex | yup, root=/dev/mapper/Debian-root ro acpi=off console=tty0 pciback.hide=(00:0a.0) |
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| 16:54.12 | torr | what is the package name for " GNU MP 2 "? |
| 16:54.39 | torr | I get to many results |
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| 16:55.11 | torr | found it |
| 16:55.32 | torr | (I thinkg if ti si gnupg2 |
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| 16:57.40 | torr | seems like it isn't it |
| 16:59.50 | gynterk | if I change menu.lst i need to run update-grub? |
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| 17:00.06 | cahoot | I never do |
| 17:00.44 | cahoot | gynterk: you know you can test parameters from grubs command line? |
| 17:00.53 | gynterk | really= |
| 17:00.59 | gynterk | ? |
| 17:01.00 | gynterk | how :D ? |
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| 17:01.30 | cahoot | hir e on the selected meny line |
| 17:01.37 | cahoot | meh - hit e |
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| 17:02.04 | cahoot | then b for boot |
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| 17:02.45 | gynterk | k |
| 17:02.47 | gynterk | i'll test |
| 17:02.48 | gynterk | vrv |
| 17:02.52 | gynterk | brb i mean |
| 17:04.30 | pablo | hi, why apt says something like it will take more time configuring a package as apt-utils is not installed. why is this? |
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| 17:05.48 | enouf | Supaplex: gynterk acpi=off, force, noirq, (other options) |
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| 17:06.21 | V4Nelle | guys with these /etc/network/interfaces my wlan0 interface don't work automatically after boot...any help? http://pastebin.com/d38cdab2a |
| 17:06.26 | gynterk | hmm |
| 17:06.40 | enouf | late again, .. and i can't read |
| 17:06.43 | gynterk | how to check if acpi is disabled? |
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| 17:06.53 | enouf | cat /proc/cmdline gynterk |
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| 17:07.08 | gynterk | k |
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| 17:07.12 | gynterk | it seems it helped |
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| 17:07.13 | enouf | dmesg | grep -i acpi <== pastebin only |
| 17:07.25 | gynterk | my laptop didn |
| 17:07.34 | cyzie | hi, for some reason, my time is using utc instead of local time, how do i switch from utc time to local time ? |
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| 17:07.46 | gynterk | Hmm, it seems when i disabled ACPI my laptop didn't crash anymore on battery |
| 17:07.51 | enouf | !set the time |
| 17:07.51 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 17:08.03 | enouf | see the last part especially |
| 17:08.05 | cyzie | ~time |
| 17:08.06 | apt | You cannot understand nature's perfect time cube! (2008.09.14 17:08:06 GMT) |
| 17:08.30 | gynterk | Is disabling ACPI bad? |
| 17:08.31 | mavhc | I can, I just don't want to |
| 17:08.33 | gynterk | on laptop |
| 17:08.50 | enouf | gynterk: how old a laptop |
| 17:09.03 | gynterk | new laptop. bought a week ago |
| 17:09.08 | gynterk | core2duo T8100 |
| 17:09.16 | cahoot | you want acpi |
| 17:09.17 | enouf | it could in effect disable one of a dual core cpus |
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| 17:09.42 | enouf | try other options, besides acpi=off |
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| 17:09.54 | gynterk | yes, when it's enabled then on battery running X will crash whole machine |
| 17:10.01 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to read larger chunks using tar? Lets say I want to read 8MB chunks of data and tar it. |
| 17:10.19 | cahoot | gynterk: if only an install matter you can upgrade the kernel later on |
| 17:10.27 | gynterk | I use sid |
| 17:10.32 | gynterk | latest repo kernel |
| 17:10.37 | enouf | here's a nice list http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26.3/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 17:11.17 | gynterk | But I have no idea, why machine doesn't crash on battery with acpi=no |
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| 17:11.26 | gynterk | some battery checks? |
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| 17:11.45 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: pipe dd bs=8M into tar? |
| 17:11.58 | pablo | hi, why apt says something like it will take more time configuring a package as apt-utils is not installed. why is this? |
| 17:12.52 | enouf | pablo: install apt-utils ? |
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| 17:13.16 | pablo | enouf: yeah ok, but why is it nedded? |
| 17:13.17 | enouf | apt-utils: /usr/bin/apt-sortpkgs |
| 17:13.25 | enouf | is one binary it contains |
| 17:13.39 | themill | pablo: look at the package description. |
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| 17:13.43 | enouf | apt-utils: /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates is another |
| 17:13.54 | enouf | pablo: look at the file list :-P |
| 17:14.30 | pablo | enouf: ok, didnt know it uses apt-extracttemplates |
| 17:14.39 | pablo | and apt-sortpkgs |
| 17:14.41 | enouf | pablo: /msg dpkg apt-file ; update it, then "apt-file list apt-utils" |
| 17:14.48 | pablo | however it works without it! |
| 17:15.53 | enouf | and, as themill mentioned - Description is nice ;-) (too many nicks with the as a prefix - ugh) |
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| 17:16.11 | wald0 | where is this website where all the bugs remaining for Lenny are listed ? |
| 17:16.20 | enouf | !rcbugs |
| 17:16.25 | enouf | er .. |
| 17:16.32 | enouf | i used to know :-/ |
| 17:16.33 | dvs | enouf: nope ;-) |
| 17:16.37 | Kovensky | dpkg: lenny bugs |
| 17:16.37 | dpkg | Kovensky: wish i knew |
| 17:16.46 | Kovensky | :/ |
| 17:16.52 | Kovensky | dpkg: release blocker bugs |
| 17:16.52 | dpkg | Kovensky: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:16.56 | Kovensky | :\ |
| 17:16.57 | themill | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or run rc-alert |
| 17:17.05 | themill | !lenny status |
| 17:17.06 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html |
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| 17:17.40 | wald0 | thanks :) |
| 17:17.42 | enouf | wald0: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 17:17.45 | enouf | is one |
| 17:17.58 | Kovensky | stable is buggier than testing *lol* |
| 17:17.59 | dvs | 281?!? |
| 17:18.04 | enouf | !lose me |
| 17:18.04 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 17:18.23 | enouf | damned bookmark, not named properly :-P |
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| 17:19.17 | dvs | Kovensky: well, if the bug is already in stable, then it's not a new bug so testing doesn't really have to worry about it. |
| 17:19.47 | enouf | sure, sweep it under the rug :-p |
| 17:19.54 | dvs | basically |
| 17:19.59 | themill | Kovensky: that's partly because people have had longer to find the bugs in stable. Remember that etch had zero RC bugs when it was released. |
| 17:20.01 | pablo | hi, i want to lear how to do a debian package. is this enough http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
| 17:20.18 | themill | pablo: /msg dpkg nmg ; /msg dpkg mentors |
| 17:20.19 | Kovensky | themill: I didn't know that :> |
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| 17:20.48 | enouf | pablo: you mean build from debian source? or create your own software pkg? |
| 17:21.01 | enouf | pablo: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 17:21.10 | enouf | pablo: /msg dpkg dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:21.25 | gynterk | hmm |
| 17:21.27 | enouf | pablo: /msg dpkg debain/rules |
| 17:21.50 | Orbixx | How do I stop iptables? |
| 17:21.53 | pablo | enouf: no, for example to update a video driver package and add it to debian repos |
| 17:22.04 | gynterk | but is it possible to disable acpi battery monitor? |
| 17:22.09 | Orbixx | I found it in init.d on CentOS, but I can't find it in Debian. |
| 17:22.12 | wald0 | dvs: why 281 concerns the relase since there's 1325 critical ones listed ? |
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| 17:22.30 | enouf | !info iptables |
| 17:22.44 | dvs | wald0: because of all the reasons between 1325 and 281. |
| 17:22.54 | dpkg | iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.4.1.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 517 kB, Installed size: 1508 kB |
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| 17:23.17 | themill | wald0: some bugs are policy-related bugs for things that have recently changed so these bugs have an exception as not being RC for lenny. |
| 17:23.34 | doublehp | why use "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main" instead of "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ testing main" ? |
| 17:23.50 | wald0 | oks |
| 17:24.13 | themill | doublehp: one will install packages from "etch" which is the current stable release while the other will install packages from testing. |
| 17:24.24 | themill | dpkg: tell doublehp about releases |
| 17:24.25 | dvs | doublehp: because a) those are two different releases and b) with "etch" you control when you go to the next versions but with "testing" you don't |
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| 17:25.27 | doublehp | is testing acceptable if i update frequently ? |
| 17:25.44 | dvs | doublehp: not for a server but for everything else, yes. |
| 17:25.51 | doublehp | ok, thx |
| 17:25.56 | dvs | np |
| 17:25.59 | themill | doublehp: testing can be a rough ride at times and might not suit the way you work. /msg dpkg moving target |
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| 17:26.32 | doublehp | themill: dvs the problem of using etch for server is that, il 5 years, i wont even be able to aptitude update ... |
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| 17:27.14 | dvs | doublehp: true. And there's no guarenteed way of upgrading from a testing dist |
| 17:27.38 | themill | doublehp: I don't understand what you're saying |
| 17:27.55 | dbmoodb | mmm how much longer after lenny is released will etch have security support for ? |
| 17:27.58 | dvs | doublehp: oh wait. I though you meant testing. |
| 17:28.38 | dvs | doublehp: There is some sort of assurance that you can upgrade from etch to lenny but not from any releases after lenny. |
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| 17:29.08 | doublehp | dvs: i had sarge machines that i cant update anymore at all |
| 17:29.18 | doublehp | wont tell about potatoes |
| 17:29.23 | dbmoodb | doublehp: ?? really can't you upgrade them tho |
| 17:29.37 | dvs | doublehp: I'm not surprised |
| 17:29.46 | dbmoodb | no dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:30.05 | dvs | doublehp: you can probably upgrade them to the next release, and then the next release, and so on. |
| 17:30.12 | dvs | but that's painful |
| 17:30.16 | doublehp | dvs: themill thanks. I'll go for testing, and i sware i wont complain when it break :) |
| 17:30.30 | enouf | doublehp: once testing(Lenny) becomes stable, it sure will be acceptable ;-) |
| 17:30.31 | dvs | doublehp: yeah, right |
| 17:30.56 | dvs | doublehp: I'd use "lenny" instead of testing though.\ |
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| 17:31.03 | enouf | doublehp: if you replace "testing" ... |
| 17:31.08 | enouf | !lose me |
| 17:31.08 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 17:31.09 | dvs | doublehp: is this for a desktop computer? |
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| 17:31.48 | themill | doublehp: sarge is no longer supported, but upgrading sarge to etch is. There should be no problems doing so if you follow the instructions in the release notes. It will be the same for etch->lenny. |
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| 17:36.44 | enouf | doublehp: IINM, etch should be supported atleast 1 year after Lenny becomes stable |
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| 17:38.12 | jpinx | sarge is just coming to the end of it's support soon |
| 17:38.17 | dbmoodb | mmm doesn't seem to be a long time for support tho. |
| 17:38.21 | jpinx | and that is more than a year I think |
| 17:38.33 | zined | howdy guys, having some weird aptitude segfault... if anyone's interested: http://nopaste.info/ebb63cc2bc.html |
| 17:38.45 | jpinx | dbmoodb: upgrade - it's easy;) |
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| 17:39.26 | dbmoodb | sure but its still a short time vs ubuntuts lts 5 years or so isn't it ? |
| 17:39.30 | themill | jpinx: sarge support ended on March 31 this year, although some packages lost support earlier than that. |
| 17:39.48 | zined | a run of "aptitude update" fixes it, as always... :) |
| 17:39.55 | jpinx | themill: thanks for the correction |
| 17:39.58 | themill | dbmoodb: but debian promises to upgradable; ubuntu has a reputation as being not very upgradable at all. |
| 17:40.01 | dbmoodb | + its going to be fun updating my nas device (needs a whole new rootfs ;) ) |
| 17:40.09 | dbmoodb | themill: you a good good point. |
| 17:40.40 | dbmoodb | oh yeah i should ask that.... will there be an arm to armel / other new arm arch upgrade ? .... |
| 17:40.57 | dbmoodb | (supported perhaps via dist-upgrade or something...) |
| 17:41.12 | themill | dbmoodb: the other thing is that we're continually flooded by weenies complaining that the packages in etch is too old as it is... |
| 17:41.14 | gynterk | is it possible to disable acpi battery specific operations? |
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| 17:41.49 | themill | dbmoodb: I doubt it. It would be a completely different install, wouldn't it? like trying to move from x86 to amd64. |
| 17:42.15 | dbmoodb | themill: yeah... just thinking about a possible setup of chroot --> rootfs |
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| 17:42.53 | dbmoodb | ah but for ksplice will the debian kernels work with that ? (looks nice) |
| 17:43.35 | themill | dbmoodb: a chroot approach would work. You've already good debootstrap for that. |
| 17:45.06 | arezey | is it possible to determine what packages were recently removed? like an apt log or something? |
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| 17:45.39 | enouf | !weenie2 |
| 17:45.39 | dpkg | i guess weenie2 is an ignorant newcomer, who is locked into following the Micropoop mantra - see <sns> and <hurry> for further details. |
| 17:45.51 | enouf | ;-) |
| 17:46.30 | Wyzard | arezey: aptitude keeps a log; dunno about apt-get |
| 17:47.13 | arezey | hmm... there seems to be /var/log/apt |
| 17:47.28 | dbmoodb | mmm grep apt .bash_history ? |
| 17:49.59 | enouf | in dpkg.log, no? |
| 17:50.13 | dbmoodb | mmm so it seems the debian kernsl are not ksplice supporting.. ? |
| 17:50.16 | dbmoodb | (default) |
| 17:52.45 | dbmoodb | that kind of sucks.. but i guess its not ready just yet...... (future kernel security update ? ) |
| 17:54.45 | dustybin | ive downloaded a .deb but i dont want to install it, i just want to extract the files, how does one do that? |
| 17:57.08 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf, lol, will that work? |
| 17:57.18 | Led_Zeppelin | enouf, i am using tar to backup bunch of small files |
| 17:57.23 | Led_Zeppelin | no onto tape, just on disk |
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| 17:58.19 | enouf | !tias Led_Zeppelin |
| 17:58.27 | enouf | !tias |
| 17:58.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
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| 17:59.53 | Wyzard | dustybin: dpkg-deb --extract IIRC |
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| 18:01.00 | Led_Zeppelin | what is tias? |
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| 18:02.10 | Agiofws | how do i connect to a server in xchat console ? ? /server disconnects from the current one |
| 18:02.24 | jMCg | Agiofws: /help connect |
| 18:03.01 | Agiofws | * This command is for network staff only |
| 18:03.01 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.16 | dvs | for /help connect? |
| 18:04.31 | Agiofws | yes |
| 18:04.45 | dvs | o_O |
| 18:05.18 | liable | whatabout connect help |
| 18:05.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.37 | Agiofws | * This command is for network staff only |
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| 18:06.47 | jMCg | I just decided that xChat sucks. |
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| 18:06.58 | dvs | not for me |
| 18:07.01 | jMCg | Agiofws: I'm sure you can do it via the GUI, somehow. |
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| 18:07.20 | dvs | Oh, he's doing it via the menus |
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| 18:08.25 | n-iCe | hi |
| 18:08.55 | Agiofws | jMCg, ok i did |
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| 18:16.04 | tdrusk | Is my stabilty in question if I choose to enable the contrib repo? |
| 18:16.19 | tdrusk | Debian Lenny |
| 18:17.12 | stew | tdrusk: no it shouldn't be any different, the only difference is that stuff in contrib depends on some software which is not in debian (which is the only reason something would end up in contrib) |
| 18:17.41 | stew | (and usually it is becuase it depends on something non-free) |
| 18:17.57 | tdrusk | stew: Oh I see. Well that works. Thanks! |
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| 18:25.38 | themill | The use of "contrib" by other projects to mean "here's a collection of scripts and config examples over which we exert little quality control" is unfortunate for debian's use of "contrib". |
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| 18:27.13 | stew | yeah, contrib is definately a misleading name |
| 18:27.42 | dvs | Is extra better? |
| 18:28.23 | stew | perhaps, though extra is already used as a Priority: |
| 18:28.41 | stew | i question how useful the distinction between Priority: optional and Priority: extra is |
| 18:29.00 | dvs | That does sound confusing |
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| 18:30.16 | themill | all the priorities beyond "essential" and then "non-essential" seem pretty redundant. |
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| 18:31.31 | dvs | suggests and recommends are a bit confusing too. |
| 18:33.13 | themill | dvs: they are more useful -- recommends are a form of "breakable" dependency -- i.e. you almost definitely want to have the recommended packages installed but you could do without them. Suggested packages are related but not required for sensible operation. Think of a spell checker for an editor -- you could use the editor without it but you probably want the spellchecker hence "recommended". |
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| 18:40.51 | jpinx | has always treated suggests as bloat - but recommends as "needs for dependency" ;) |
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| 18:41.55 | ProN00b | how do i regenerate ssh host keys ? |
| 18:41.57 | MooseAI | will i be in the example, host a is where it may be back later to be is /home/moseley/cstrike/logs |
| 18:42.28 | themill | ProN00b: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys |
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| 18:45.10 | FreakGuard | I've got a problem compiling quassel: http://rafb.net/p/sjZfIO69.html |
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| 18:49.08 | jair | guys I have aquick question regarding ntp on debian etch. Here is the scenario: I have a server [ntpserver] (physical machine) and three clients (virtual machines) [ntpc1][ntpc2][ntpc3] my configuration "/etc/ntp.conf" looks like this on the [ntpserver] =>http://paste.debian.net/17252/ |
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| 18:50.46 | jair | how should the "/etc/ntp.conf" for [ntpc1][ntpc2][ntpc3] should look like? |
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| 18:52.53 | dustybin | is it possible to do a debian install into a directory on a existing system, because i would like to use that for a diskless netboot? |
| 18:53.14 | FreakGuard | dustybin, looking for ltsp? |
| 18:53.37 | dustybin | whats that |
| 18:53.49 | FreakGuard | linux terminal server project |
| 18:53.56 | dustybin | yep i will use that |
| 18:54.02 | dustybin | but i will still need to install a fresh base system |
| 18:54.04 | FreakGuard | there should be some scripts |
| 18:54.08 | dustybin | i dont want to copy existing files |
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| 18:54.15 | FreakGuard | in skolelinux, there was one :) |
| 18:54.20 | FreakGuard | debian-edu most likely |
| 18:54.34 | dustybin | im sure there is a way to install debian from the terminal |
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| 18:54.46 | dustybin | into a location of your choice from the installer |
| 18:54.55 | dustybin | i just cannot remember how |
| 18:55.21 | FreakGuard | well, you should look for that script ^^ |
| 18:55.47 | FreakGuard | dustybin, ltsp-client-builder |
| 18:55.49 | FreakGuard | hf |
| 18:56.29 | zefferno | How can I access bootup logs, other then dmesg? |
| 18:56.56 | n3kl | zefferno: cat /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:57.35 | dustybin | maybe something like this: debootstrap -v testing /opt/nfsroot http://ftp.debian.org/main |
| 18:57.51 | FreakGuard | dustybin, there is a pkg ltsp-client-builder |
| 18:58.01 | dustybin | what does that do? |
| 18:58.17 | zefferno | n3kl: But it doesn't contain the messages of fstab mounting process... |
| 18:58.23 | FreakGuard | about that what you try to do :) |
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| 18:59.18 | n3kl | zefferno: grep mout /var/log/dmesg |
| 18:59.29 | n3kl | sorry, mount or course |
| 18:59.30 | dvs | dustybin: ltsp-build-client according to http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto |
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| 19:00.02 | dustybin | aye im reading that :-) |
| 19:00.22 | torr | how is the library installation work? |
| 19:00.30 | n3kl | man, i cant type |
| 19:00.43 | torr | I have got debian volatile source for clamd |
| 19:01.01 | torr | and enabled unrar |
| 19:01.22 | torr | but the deb's that I got didn't install the libunrar |
| 19:01.24 | torr | :/ |
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| 19:01.44 | FreakGuard | " Unknown CMake command "check_cxx_compiler_flag". |
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| 19:06.10 | xlotlu | why would my cpus get stuck at the minimum speed, no matter the governor? |
| 19:06.43 | xlotlu | somehow scaling_max_freq == scaling_min_freq, and it doesn't change ... |
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| 19:10.21 | dudeman | hey |
| 19:10.26 | dudeman | how come no body talking? |
| 19:10.34 | pyroxid | does somebody know a way to poke the dpkg command so it displays all package categories? |
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| 19:11.16 | lagbolt | dudeman, what you want to talk about? |
| 19:11.23 | dustybin | FreakGuard: ltsp-build-client |
| 19:11.28 | dustybin | works ok so far :-) |
| 19:11.35 | FreakGuard | nice |
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| 19:11.44 | FreakGuard | but debian still sucks at compiling :( |
| 19:11.46 | dustybin | im building a diskless mythtv frontend |
| 19:12.12 | dvs | with remote? |
| 19:12.33 | dustybin | aye |
| 19:12.48 | tview | FreakGuard: what do you mean debian sucks at compiling!??!?! |
| 19:13.16 | dustybin | haha, all distros use the same tools |
| 19:13.36 | dvs | I gnu that! ;-) |
| 19:13.43 | xlotlu | my gcc is better than yours |
| 19:13.44 | FreakGuard | tview, no ports :P |
| 19:14.09 | xlotlu | what's a port? |
| 19:14.11 | tview | no ports? What? |
| 19:14.18 | FreakGuard | like BSD-ports |
| 19:14.28 | tview | FreakGuard: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 19:14.35 | FreakGuard | just small script - edit them, enter one cmd and there's your pkg |
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| 19:14.47 | dudeman | pyroxid, Aptitude::CmdLine::Package-Display-Format <-- http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s04s01.html#secDisplayFormat |
| 19:14.48 | tview | What pkg?!?! |
| 19:14.50 | dudeman | perhaps...? |
| 19:14.51 | xlotlu | don't they all have 65535 of them? :P |
| 19:14.59 | FreakGuard | like archlinux :) |
| 19:15.09 | petemc | FreakGuard: you can get the source of any debian package |
| 19:15.13 | stew | FreakGuard: "apt-get -b source packagename" will compile a package from source if for some reason you don't want to install a pre-compiled package |
| 19:15.31 | FreakGuard | I want to compile a newer version of a pkg |
| 19:15.54 | dudeman | For instance, pattern(?maintainer() => \1) will group packages according to their Maintainer field. The policy pattern(?maintainer()) will do the same thing, as the absent title defaults to \1. |
| 19:16.01 | dudeman | etc. etc. |
| 19:16.10 | dudeman | maybe you can try this to list the categories |
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| 19:16.18 | xlotlu | FreakGuard: you mean like apt-get source, dpkg-buildpackage, dh_make, apt-build... what part of "ports"? |
| 19:16.23 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 19:16.24 | dudeman | That is a good question acutally, I don't kno whow to do that, I'm just guessing |
| 19:16.32 | dudeman | stew <-- aptitude guru |
| 19:16.36 | dudeman | bug him !:) |
| 19:17.01 | dustybin | this is a strange feeling, im installing debian on debian |
| 19:17.32 | dustybin | im sure debra and ian would be proud of me :-) |
| 19:17.32 | MooseAI | so far :-) |
| 19:17.35 | dudeman | here is some more info http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
| 19:17.35 | MooseAI | what are available info on the panel, under speaker settings pushed from 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 19:17.41 | Doug52392 | I have to install X in order for a program to run in Linux under Wine (which I really don't want X for, since this computer is going to be my server). Is there a way I could install X, but not have any X programs or files start on bootup? |
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| 19:17.55 | MooseAI | jorophose |
| 19:18.05 | Jorophose | yes? |
| 19:18.06 | MooseAI | maybe myth has started yes? |
| 19:18.09 | dudeman | man.. I don't see a category thing at all |
| 19:18.22 | dustybin | invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload |
| 19:18.23 | dustybin | info: LTSP client installation completed successfully |
| 19:18.24 | Jorophose | possibly myth has started, I wouldn't know for certain. |
| 19:18.24 | dustybin | :-) |
| 19:18.24 | MooseAI | junky: really :-) |
| 19:18.36 | dudeman | dude... just type aptitude and look at its interface... all the categories are listed there. |
| 19:18.43 | dudeman | :/ |
| 19:19.12 | Jorophose | mm, is there an easy to use tool to turn my install into a, well, iso installer? something that will install unattended on whatever vacant partition I tell it to? |
| 19:19.25 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.27 | dudeman | ahh found it |
| 19:19.29 | dudeman | maybe |
| 19:19.37 | dudeman | Matches packages whose section matches the regular expression section. |
| 19:19.45 | dudeman | nm I give u! |
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| 19:20.50 | dudeman | yeh, you want ~ssection maybe. you can list all pckages in a section, but still don't see you will list all the sections... |
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| 19:21.05 | dudeman | +how+ |
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| 19:22.01 | tview | stew: how does one first ensure all dependencies are met for your "apt-get -b source package" example? |
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| 19:22.14 | dudeman | tview, build-dep |
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| 19:22.43 | dudeman | tview, apt-get build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source pakcagename; |
| 19:22.45 | tview | dudeman: build dep what? |
| 19:22.50 | tview | aha thanks |
| 19:23.03 | dudeman | if you want only the source and not build it automatically (you may wish to modify source) neglect the -b |
| 19:23.19 | dudeman | you can use dpkg-buildpackage later |
| 19:23.39 | dudeman | or after even modifying the source you can still do apt-get -b source |
| 19:23.45 | dudeman | it will build it without redownloading |
| 19:23.53 | FreakGuard | xlotlu, hrm, using checkinstall |
| 19:23.54 | dudeman | !tell tview -about package basics |
| 19:24.02 | FreakGuard | xlotlu, but that doesn't work that well Unknown CMake command "check_cxx_compiler_flag" |
| 19:25.06 | dudeman | !tell tview -about ssb |
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| 19:29.35 | dudeman | hey |
| 19:29.40 | dudeman | how come nobody is talking? |
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| 19:30.42 | dustybin | dinner |
| 19:30.56 | dudeman | (voice gradually dying out) hellooooo hellooo helloo hello |
| 19:31.02 | dudeman | echo |
| 19:31.12 | dudeman | dustybin, what u havin for dinner? |
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| 19:32.56 | dudeman | anyone like pita bread? |
| 19:32.56 | themill | wonders if we need #debian-recipes |
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| 19:33.03 | dudeman | themill, hehe |
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| 19:33.15 | dudeman | pain in the ass bread |
| 19:33.16 | dudeman | haha |
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| 19:33.43 | dudeman | I'm gonna write a nice catchy little jingle as a debian theme |
| 19:33.44 | FreakGuard | dudeman, compiling in a 500Mhz - that's a pain in the ass |
| 19:33.51 | dudeman | something majority of people would like |
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| 19:34.09 | \amethyst | dudeman: it's even funnier because "pain" is the French word for bread :) |
| 19:34.32 | dudeman | maybe shwishing at the end to let people know debian has been let out of the genie bottle |
| 19:34.38 | dudeman | \amethyst, hehe cool |
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| 19:35.11 | dudeman | what would be a nice lyrics for that? |
| 19:35.29 | dudeman | ho oh oh I got it |
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| 19:36.01 | dudeman | "da nana nana, da nana nana, debian, we don't release it, till its ready, da nana nana, da nana nana! |
| 19:36.04 | dudeman | ? |
| 19:36.09 | themill | dudeman: perhaps you'd like to sing in #debian-offtopic :) |
| 19:36.13 | dudeman | hehe |
| 19:36.19 | dudeman | but there is NOTHING goin in here |
| 19:36.24 | dudeman | no chat no support nothin |
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| 19:36.30 | dudeman | and nobody in that channel its like dead |
| 19:36.31 | dsfds | THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org |
| 19:36.33 | dsfds | THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org |
| 19:36.35 | dsfds | THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org |
| 19:36.37 | dsfds | THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org |
| 19:36.37 | dvs | spam! |
| 19:36.38 | dudeman | dsfds, fuck off. |
| 19:36.39 | themill | dudeman: there will be if you start singing there instead of in here. |
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| 19:37.13 | dudeman | nah man, abort fucker tries to spcyho analyze me and play dr. phil |
| 19:37.19 | dudeman | I am not down with that |
| 19:37.37 | fquit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.47 | dudeman | fquit, ask |
| 19:38.35 | fquit | When trying to execute "./clean-all", I keep getting "You must define KEY_DIR" .. But the thing is that, KEY_DIR is already defined in the vars script |
| 19:38.39 | xlotlu | this cpu stuck at 1000 MHz business is insane... anyone can make sense of this: http://dpaste.com/78044/ ? |
| 19:38.40 | fquit | What gives. |
| 19:38.59 | dudeman | echo $KEY_DIR? |
| 19:39.55 | fquit | /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys |
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| 19:42.08 | dudeman | fquit, pastebin cd /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rs/vars |
| 19:42.11 | dudeman | fquit, pastebin cd /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/vars |
| 19:42.18 | dudeman | doh |
| 19:42.22 | dudeman | copied the wrong path |
| 19:42.23 | dudeman | hang on |
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| 19:42.38 | fquit | dudeman you mean /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/vars ? |
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| 19:42.42 | dudeman | yeh |
| 19:42.48 | dudeman | heh sorry I was looking at the examples |
| 19:42.49 | dudeman | :) |
| 19:42.52 | fquit | Alright, hold on .. |
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| 19:43.11 | danilom_ | i cant connect using libares-gift in gift, apollon gui, still saying "connecting" i update the nodes yet, with the .pl from the gift site,, is there another thing to do?? |
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| 19:45.26 | phr3ak | how could i add any binary to initramfs? |
| 19:45.31 | mhymn | danilom_: probably that server problem, i use Gnutella now, and it works fine |
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| 19:46.02 | kanzure | Hm, wget doesn't like "#" in the URL string, even when escaped. Can someone confirm? |
| 19:46.13 | dudeman | fquit, I just want to see something you don't even have to pastebin it |
| 19:46.14 | kanzure | Version 1.10.2 here. |
| 19:46.15 | fquit | dudeman pastebin.com/m4a3f4e4c |
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| 19:46.25 | dudeman | export KEY_DIR= <-- I need to see what this is |
| 19:46.26 | dudeman | ok |
| 19:46.46 | fquit | export KEY_DIR >> /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys |
| 19:46.49 | fquit | that's what it says.. |
| 19:46.58 | danilom_ | mhymn, so i can connect to gnutella network, but ares and fasttrack dont. |
| 19:47.04 | themill | kanzure: # is used to specify a location within a page; wget gets entire pages. There's no way of mixing the two. |
| 19:47.30 | kanzure | themill: The server I'm communicating with disagrees. |
| 19:47.35 | kanzure | It's being used to fetch a dynamic page. |
| 19:47.39 | dudeman | export KEY_DIR=$D/keys |
| 19:47.47 | dudeman | export D=`pwd` |
| 19:47.53 | kanzure | I need wget to request that as if it was a file. |
| 19:47.55 | dudeman | I don't trust this.. for whaever reason |
| 19:48.19 | kanzure | Maybe curl will do it. |
| 19:48.21 | dudeman | fquit, set key_dir manually, change line # 30 to /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys |
| 19:48.30 | mhymn | danilom_: and at the same time i cant connect to openft, i think it might be their problem, dunno |
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| 19:48.45 | fquit | export KEY_DIR=/etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys in my vars, yes? |
| 19:48.47 | themill | kanzure: # is not a legal character within a url except as an anchor location. See rfc1738. |
| 19:49.07 | danilom_ | mhymn, i am connected now to opnft and gnutella under gift |
| 19:49.12 | kanzure | themill: Not like I can easily go yell at these people. |
| 19:49.21 | dudeman | when you run ./clean-all, I will be doing a rm -rf on $KEY_DIR that is /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys |
| 19:49.29 | kanzure | themill: Why is it that it works in my browser but not in curl or wget? |
| 19:49.39 | dudeman | though that is not the case.. |
| 19:49.40 | kanzure | The content is not on the page, there's no "a name" tag. |
| 19:49.42 | kanzure | *element |
| 19:49.43 | themill | kanzure: it shouldn't. The hash should never be sent to the server. |
| 19:49.54 | tview | i recently set up a dhcp server. sudo is now giving me an error (but still works) "sudo: unable to resolve host debian". What could have caused this? |
| 19:49.59 | dudeman | fquit, nm you pasted the output of echo $KEY_DIR |
| 19:50.02 | dudeman | let me think |
| 19:50.06 | fquit | dudeman It keeps saying "You must define KEY_DIR" |
| 19:50.06 | themill | kanzure: how are you "escaping" the hash? |
| 19:50.14 | kanzure | themill: \# |
| 19:50.27 | kanzure | I was thinking it might be interpreting it as a comment initiator, you see. |
| 19:50.38 | kanzure | Argh, let me go fingle with things. I'll solve this. |
| 19:50.47 | dudeman | fquit, can you pastebin the clean-all sript? |
| 19:50.54 | fquit | sure .. hold on .. |
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| 19:51.11 | themill | kanzure: try URL encoding it as %23 |
| 19:51.12 | b52 | how can i see all files a package installed on my system? |
| 19:51.27 | dvs | b52: dpkg -L package-name |
| 19:51.58 | fquit | dudeman pastebin.com/m63e9e8d6 |
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| 19:52.42 | kanzure | themill: Will do. |
| 19:52.45 | dudeman | d=$KEY_DIR |
| 19:52.54 | dudeman | fquit, set it manually and try again |
| 19:53.02 | dudeman | d=/path/to/blah |
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| 19:54.05 | rudenstam | I'm trying to build a driver for a Highpoint Rocket 100 card, downloaded the latest one from their webpage, changed path in the Makefile to point to my /lib/modules/ver/build symlink... it however generates this error: http://pastebin.com/d79e5ce91 .. anyone got any tips ? |
| 19:54.13 | fquit | dudeman I've set it to d=/etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys .. |
| 19:54.33 | dudeman | ok |
| 19:54.35 | dudeman | save try now |
| 19:54.50 | fquit | dudeman It works .. what seems to be the problem? |
| 19:55.00 | dudeman | variables not being pulled in correctly |
| 19:55.07 | dudeman | if it is a debian package yer using |
| 19:55.12 | dudeman | might wanna check the BTS and/or reportug |
| 19:55.32 | fquit | dudeman It was better to do this way >> /path/to/blah rather than $VARS, right? |
| 19:55.37 | rudenstam | lspci identifies the card as: 02:09.0 RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT302/302N (rev 02) |
| 19:55.48 | dudeman | fquit, variables hold data so you don't have to type the /path all the time |
| 19:55.56 | dudeman | you don't have to use variables at all if you don't want |
| 19:56.05 | dudeman | but yes, its usually good to do so |
| 19:56.09 | dudeman | for easy/manageable code |
| 19:56.20 | fquit | dudeman Thanks. |
| 19:56.24 | dudeman | np |
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| 19:56.47 | dudeman | d=$KEY_DIR |
| 19:56.58 | dudeman | export KEY_DIR=$D/keys |
| 19:57.02 | dudeman | export D=`pwd` |
| 19:57.05 | dudeman | you see this garbage? |
| 19:57.11 | dudeman | fucking stupid code. |
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| 19:57.23 | themill | fquit: did you source the vars file? |
| 19:57.37 | jpinx | I'd like to do chroot /path/to/other/os export PS1="chroot@$HOSTNAME" but chroot refuses to execute export - is there a way to change the prompt at chroot-time? |
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| 19:57.56 | fquit | dudeman When I typed >> ./build-ca << .. I get "cd: 13: can't cd to /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys" .. |
| 19:58.04 | fquit | their codes are horrible, indeed. |
| 19:58.08 | dudeman | of course |
| 19:58.19 | jpinx | is getting his consoles mixed up ;) |
| 19:58.22 | dudeman | change it back and source /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/vars |
| 19:58.29 | dudeman | try that |
| 19:58.34 | dudeman | I did not know you had to source the vars file |
| 19:58.44 | dudeman | maybe themill is onto something try that |
| 19:59.03 | fquit | dudeman Isn't this the right way to source a var >> source ./vars ? |
| 19:59.18 | themill | the openvpn quickstart instructions tell you that you have to ". ./vars" or somehting similar |
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| 19:59.47 | fquit | themill that's right, I've passed that, vars wasn't set correctly .. althou, I'm stuck on build-ca right now |
| 19:59.49 | dudeman | (I have never in my life setup or used openvpn, I have no idea.. I was just doing basic troubleshooting) |
| 20:00.04 | dudeman | sounds like themill is the man u want |
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| 20:00.23 | themill | jpinx: istr the default debian prompt scheme would do that automatically. See /etc/bash.bashrc. |
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| 20:00.45 | fquit | Can I replace $KEY_DIR with /path/to/key on vi build-ca ? |
| 20:00.57 | dudeman | yes |
| 20:01.00 | themill | fquit: shouldn't need to and I wouldn't do it. |
| 20:01.04 | dudeman | but don't listen to me, my way is dirty hack |
| 20:01.11 | dudeman | exactly |
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| 20:01.15 | jpinx | themill: yea - I'm reading that atm - ta |
| 20:01.18 | dudeman | what themill say |
| 20:01.57 | themill | dudeman: I tried and failed as the box I was trying to openvpn to was also doing some nat stuff with ipmasq and openvpn and the ipmasq packages are not compatible. Hitting my head against that iptables mess is a problem for another day... |
| 20:02.31 | dudeman | heh |
| 20:02.36 | dudeman | what is a vpn anyway? |
| 20:02.38 | dudeman | !vpn |
| 20:02.39 | dpkg | vpn is probably see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or ask me about <openvpn>. |
| 20:02.48 | dudeman | oh its like a ssh tunnel? |
| 20:02.53 | dudeman | !openvpn |
| 20:02.53 | dpkg | OpenVPN is a virtual private network daemon, which can securely tunnel IP networks over one TCP or UDP port. Packaged for Debian as 'openvpn', provides "openvpn" ifupdown hooks to interfaces(5). As this software uses OpenSSL, it is affected by <dsa1571>, see http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys ('openvpn-blacklist' package available in Lenny). http://openvpn.net/ #openvpn @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:02.58 | dudeman | ahhhh |
| 20:03.19 | dudeman | like for school or work or something? |
| 20:03.29 | dudeman | not a bad idea man.. where I been |
| 20:03.32 | dudeman | under a rock!? |
| 20:03.49 | fquit | themill then, how do I fix it? |
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| 20:04.47 | themill | fquit: did you source the "vars" file? (Perhaps try #openvpn ... ) |
| 20:05.10 | fquit | themill #openvpn wasn't much of a help.. most are afk .. |
| 20:05.12 | dudeman | hey is a citrix vpn too? |
| 20:05.40 | fquit | themill how do I go about sourcing the "vars" file ? source ./vars? |
| 20:06.06 | themill | fquit: yes, or ". ./vars" as the openvpn instructions say. they are equivalent if you are using bash. |
| 20:06.24 | dudeman | source ./vars source ./vars source ./vars source ./vars source ./vars source ./vars source ./vars source ./vars |
| 20:06.31 | dudeman | al;dj;alksdjf |
| 20:06.39 | dudeman | throws hsi input device across the fucking rom |
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| 20:07.02 | dudeman | grr. |
| 20:07.35 | fquit | When I typed >> ./build-ca << .. I get "cd: 13: can't cd to /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa/1.0/keys" .. |
| 20:07.37 | fquit | keep getting that |
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| 20:08.01 | fquit | I see >> cd $KEY_DIR && \ << in build-ca |
| 20:08.39 | fquit | When I tried changing directory [cd] to keys, I keep getting permission denied |
| 20:08.41 | fquit | Hmm .. |
| 20:08.46 | fquit | something fishy going on here.. |
| 20:08.58 | dudeman | dude |
| 20:09.01 | dudeman | listen to me |
| 20:09.04 | dudeman | READ THE DOCS! |
| 20:09.06 | dudeman | :) |
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| 20:09.18 | dudeman | trial and error == headaches |
| 20:09.23 | kularek | hello |
| 20:09.29 | dudeman | hi |
| 20:09.53 | fquit | dudeman I did 2x .. I keep getting stuck on build-ca |
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| 20:11.07 | simonrvn | fquit: how about you check what the perms are on that directory (if it is one). |
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| 20:11.31 | dudeman | simonrvn, it is created through the script and rm -rf through the script |
| 20:11.34 | dudeman | the script is setting perms |
| 20:11.41 | dudeman | I think* |
| 20:11.43 | simonrvn | if it doesn't have exec perms, then you won't be able to cd to it no matter what |
| 20:11.47 | dudeman | exactly |
| 20:11.59 | simonrvn | if it's doing that, it's borked |
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| 20:12.10 | dudeman | simonrvn, how are you doing? May I msg you? |
| 20:12.12 | simonrvn | script should be fixed... |
| 20:12.18 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:12.24 | simonrvn | i'm ok |
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| 20:14.15 | fquit | Is there any other vpn other than openvpn? |
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| 20:22.16 | jpinx | when I chroot into another OS - rewite my prompt in /root/.bashrc there and exit end chroot again - the prompt hasn't come up with what i wrote. Any ideas anyone? |
| 20:22.35 | simonrvn | um |
| 20:24.23 | dudeman | jpinx, maybe you need to source ~/.bashrc in /root/.bash_profile |
| 20:24.25 | dudeman | ? |
| 20:24.43 | dudeman | jpinx, before you do that, source ~/.bashrc on command line first |
| 20:24.54 | dudeman | see if it shows your prompt after that in the chroot |
| 20:25.00 | jpinx | k |
| 20:25.58 | jpinx | that worked dudeman - how do I make it happen automagically when i chroot ? |
| 20:26.23 | dudeman | jpinx, edit ~/.bash_profile and inside it put source ~/.bashrc |
| 20:26.36 | jpinx | k |
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| 20:27.34 | dudeman | np: (Necrophagist) (Epitaph) (Epitaph) (Deathmetal) (4:17m) (2004) (6/6) |
| 20:27.40 | dudeman | mother fucker. |
| 20:27.51 | dudeman | why is this thing set to auto spam man shit |
| 20:27.56 | jpinx | heh - chroot doesn't have a .bash_profile |
| 20:27.58 | jair | I am getting the following errors trying to synchronize a client with my ntp server. This is client and server both on the internal network, just different vlans, but they can ping each other and ssh each other and access through http etc... |
| 20:27.59 | jhamlin | Hey folks, I'm getting scratchy sound whenever the screen updates (like scrolling in a browser). Any one have an idea how to fix this? |
| 20:28.51 | jair | here is the ntpdate -ud: http://paste.debian.net/17261/ |
| 20:28.52 | dudeman | jhamlin, what?! that is ... odd. |
| 20:28.59 | jhamlin | dudeman: yah it sux |
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| 20:29.16 | jair | anyone using ntp server and client on their netwmor with more than 100 servers? |
| 20:29.18 | dudeman | I've no idea how those two could be related technically through the OS |
| 20:29.24 | dudeman | im a newb myself |
| 20:29.29 | jhamlin | dudeman: it's not just a load issue because if I'm running something heavy in the background I don't have any problems |
| 20:29.44 | dudeman | jhamlin, it happens only in X? |
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| 20:31.55 | jhamlin | dudeman: well.. yes appears to be only in X. If I go to a console window (ctrl+F2) and cat a big file I don't get any scratchyness |
| 20:32.29 | jpinx | no good - I put source ~/.bashrc in ~/.profile and re-chroot'ed but no change in the prompt |
| 20:32.30 | dudeman | weird |
| 20:32.49 | dudeman | jpinx, dude... re-read my instructions |
| 20:33.08 | dudeman | jpinx, if the isn't there, then create it. |
| 20:33.13 | dudeman | +file+ |
| 20:33.16 | dustybin | im nearly there, when i boot my diskless frontend, it manages to grab the correct network settings from my DHCP server, but it keeps on saying 'file not found' |
| 20:33.39 | dustybin | what is the standard file PXE looks for? |
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| 20:34.01 | dudeman | jpinx, if it is still unclear, you must source a file inside ~/.bash_profile and not ~/.profile |
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| 20:38.12 | dudeman | hey how come nobody is taling? |
| 20:38.20 | dudeman | 4 minutes nobody say nothing? |
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| 20:39.18 | cgibin | what you trying to do? |
| 20:39.18 | Kovensky | dudeman: so what? :) |
| 20:39.25 | Kovensky | irc channels can be quite quiet :P |
| 20:39.32 | Kovensky | look at all these anime channels on rizon lol |
| 20:39.38 | klivian | When I started aptitude yesterday (the curses interface, which I don't normally use) it wanted to uninstall 13 packages that I definitely want to keep--handy ones like iceweasel and xorg. Any idea why this is, or documentation that might have the answer? |
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| 20:40.12 | jhamlin | dustybin: When I set up network booting I think I used this guide: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 20:40.28 | jpinx | dudeman: ok - I'm playing around with that now |
| 20:40.55 | Wyzard | klivian: They're probably flagged as having been installed automatically to satisfy dependencies, which means aptitude will mark them for removal when nothing depends on them anymore |
| 20:41.24 | Wyzard | klivian: Do they have an 'A' in the column on the left, next to the 'i' indicating that the package is currently installed? |
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| 20:42.11 | klivian | Wyzard: Ah, yes, they all are marked idA; I assume A means automatically installed to meet some dep requirement? |
| 20:42.18 | Wyzard | yep |
| 20:42.25 | MacPai1 | hello |
| 20:42.29 | MacPai1 | what should be in /etc/passwd.adjunct |
| 20:42.30 | klivian | It's odd, because I was fairly certain I installed iceweasel and xorg, at the least, manually. |
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| 20:42.40 | Wyzard | You can type 'm' to clear the auto flag, though the package will still be marked for removal |
| 20:42.55 | Wyzard | Type '+' to mark it for installation (which in this case just means leave it installed) and clear the auto flag at the same time |
| 20:43.32 | Wyzard | Those auto flags are aptitude's big strength -- they let you avoid having your system cluttered with old junk that nothing needs anymore |
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| 20:43.48 | klivian | Okay, thanks for the tips. Any ideas why aptitude wants to uninstall them? |
| 20:44.13 | Wyzard | Because they're marked auto and presumably nothing depends on them |
| 20:45.09 | Wyzard | but iceweasel is something that *you* want installed, not just to satisfy dependencies, so it shouldn't be marked auto |
| 20:45.35 | Wyzard | so you should remove the auto flag, to tell aptitude that you want it to stay installed even when no other package depends on it |
| 20:46.34 | Wyzard | and get in the habit of setting the auto flag on packages that are installed but aren't things that you specifically want -- highlight a package and type 'M' to mark it auto |
| 20:46.39 | klivian | Okay, thanks. And then there's some packages that I'm not sure if I need, like vbetool and libnss-mdns; should I just manually mark them, too? |
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| 20:46.47 | gwildor | hello all |
| 20:47.07 | Wyzard | libnss-mdns can be useful -- that's what lets you resolve "hostname.local" names published by Avahi or Apple Bonjour on a LAN |
| 20:47.27 | Wyzard | That's something I keep installed on my own systems |
| 20:47.32 | klivian | nods. |
| 20:47.42 | gwildor | i remember a time when dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg would ask me questions about my videocar and autogenerate a xorg.conf......well, it doesnt ask anything about that anymore....is there a new way to configure gfx card ? |
| 20:47.56 | Kovensky | gwildor: rather, it is autoconfigured |
| 20:48.05 | Wyzard | I don't think I've ever needed vbetool; that may be used by some suspend/resume scripts or something |
| 20:48.09 | roe_ | does m-a support fglrx? |
| 20:48.34 | gwildor | Kovensky, but, its wrong, xorg.conf is....generic...basic...no gfx card specified, no resolutions listed... |
| 20:48.34 | Wyzard | roe_: There's a fglrx-source package, so probably |
| 20:48.43 | roe_ | excellent |
| 20:48.49 | Kovensky | gwildor: of course it is |
| 20:48.58 | Kovensky | gwildor: that way, it can work on every graphic card :) |
| 20:49.14 | Kovensky | and that is why it is automatic: if something were there, it would override autodetection |
| 20:49.16 | klivian | Wyzard: Thanks a lot for the help and the information! |
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| 20:49.24 | Wyzard | gwildor: Most monitors these days support autodetection of supported frequency ranges and preferred resolution, so you normally don't have to specify those things in xorg.conf anymore |
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| 20:49.35 | gwildor | Kovensky, so the 'wizard' that asked questions before is....gone.... |
| 20:49.39 | Wyzard | gwildor: It'll automatically detect and use an LCD's native resolution, for example |
| 20:49.53 | gwildor | Wyzard, if i wanted to be asked...nay...NEED to be asked.... how woud i go about that |
| 20:50.21 | gwildor | Wyzard, its not.... 800x600 partial display... 'natice' is 1024x768, tis a laptop, if that matters.... |
| 20:50.32 | Wyzard | klivian: One of the first things I do on a fresh Debian install is mark *everything* auto (by typing 'M' with the "installed packages" heading highlighted) and then going through and removing the auto flag from the specific set of packages that I want |
| 20:50.34 | gwildor | trident gfx card |
| 20:51.09 | klivian | Wyzard: And after you do that, does aptitude uninstall a lot of stuff that you don't want? |
| 20:51.10 | Wyzard | klivian: That way the installed-by-default-but-not-really-needed stuff gets removed, and you have a clean set of auto flags right from the start |
| 20:51.14 | Wyzard | yep |
| 20:51.17 | klivian | Okay, cool. |
| 20:51.42 | Wyzard | I also always used purge rather than plain remove -- no sense having conffiles hanging around from old packages I don't use anymore |
| 20:51.45 | klivian | I did this system the opposite way; started with a minimal install and added the packages I thought I wanted/needed. |
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| 20:52.03 | seventyd | What command to tell me what video card I have? |
| 20:52.12 | Wyzard | klivian: I do that too (I skip tasksel and install what I want manually) but even the base install has some stuff you don't necessarily need |
| 20:52.13 | keck0f | hi. |
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| 20:52.34 | Wyzard | gwildor: xorg autodetects what video driver to use, but I have less experience with that; I'd suggest editing xorg.conf to specify the right driver |
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| 20:52.56 | _moro_bana_ | people often say gnome is usually sluggish compared to kde, how true is that? |
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| 20:53.11 | Wyzard | gwildor: And reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log will probably provide some insight on why it's selecting 800x600 |
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| 20:54.07 | miksuh | _moro_bana_: I think it's not true. Both gnome and kde are slow when compared to xfcw etc. but i can't see any big difference between gnome and kde |
| 20:54.15 | PovAddict | Wyzard: I just tried marking everything auto and it marked almost every package as ready to delete |
| 20:54.23 | miksuh | xfcw == xfce |
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| 20:55.08 | gwildor | Wyzard, so, no way to force the old prompt.... the way it was in sarge was great.... just not asked the right questions anymore.... feature removed, not feature missing |
| 20:55.09 | Wyzard | PovAddict: That's to be expected, since nothing is depended upon by any other package that isn't also auto (and therefore needs to be removed) |
| 20:55.45 | Wyzard | PovAddict: Now you go through the list and type '+' on the packages you want, to remove the auto flags and make them stay installed |
| 20:55.59 | Wyzard | PovAddict: and aptitude will keep their dependencies installed too |
| 20:56.43 | _moro_bana_ | miksuh: i have tried xfce on zenwalk and yeah i did notice that.but one thing-its less appealing i think :) |
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| 20:59.55 | miksuh | _moro_bana_: Yep. And if you have atleast 512MB ram then Gnome runs just fine. |
| 21:00.34 | jpinx | runs gnome on 256 Mbs RAM |
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| 21:00.57 | miksuh | jpinx: I do too on my laptop. |
| 21:01.30 | jpinx | miksuh: I'm on my old PIII 500Mhz laptop |
| 21:01.50 | miksuh | PIII Compaq Armada here :) |
| 21:01.58 | jpinx | it'sa bit clunky if I try to do too much, but it works fine |
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| 21:02.32 | miksuh | Compaq Armada M700 |
| 21:02.47 | jpinx | I've just started installing Lenny on another partition to try a really slim OS with xfce4 |
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| 21:05.10 | _moro_ | guys just curious, how do you compare linux to bsd? |
| 21:06.03 | jerome | with a ruler. |
| 21:06.26 | _moro_ | with a ruler! :) |
| 21:06.32 | dustybin | dam i just cannot get this diskless frontend to boot |
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| 21:06.41 | dustybin | my dhcpd.conf says this: filename "pxelinux.0"; |
| 21:06.50 | dustybin | should i specify the full path to that file? |
| 21:06.55 | dustybin | that file is located in 2 places |
| 21:07.09 | dustybin | 1 inside /var/lib/tftpboot/ |
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| 21:07.24 | dustybin | and 1 inside /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/ |
| 21:07.45 | dustybin | what mount does the PXE netboot read? |
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| 21:08.10 | SNow | hey, how could I remove the ipv6 stuff, even netstat |
| 21:08.15 | SNow | shows v4 with the FFFF stuff |
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| 21:10.17 | SNow | ? |
| 21:10.35 | tview | when I ssh into a remote machine its not execing or sourcing the .bashrc o nthe remote machine and thus picking up ~/bin on the path. Any idea why? |
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| 21:12.22 | Kumool | hello |
| 21:12.45 | Kumool | im no expert but killall doesnt work with xpdf neone know why? |
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| 21:13.11 | b52 | why package provides pil (python image library) ? |
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| 21:14.58 | _moro_ | im gonna download a debian cd in 5 minutes. are they lice-cds? |
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| 21:17.45 | klivian | tview; bash only reads .bashrc when it is an interactive shell. For login shells, .bash_profile is read; most people have a line in .bash_profile that tells bash to load .bashrc, too. Does that make sense? |
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| 21:19.53 | jpinx | klivian: I don't have ~/.bash_profile but I have ~/.profile Is that the same? |
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| 21:20.52 | jpinx | it has a line reading . ~/.bashrc |
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| 21:21.18 | jpinx | but I'm getting the same problem as tview: |
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| 21:21.55 | adnc | hello, i'm a bit confused with spamassassin on my debian box. i run spamd with the -u option for user "spamd" and spamc is called from postfix but whenever i get a mail it logs that |
| 21:22.00 | adnc | Sep 14 23:18:47 mail check[19604]: spamd: failed to create readable default_prefs: /home/akif/.spamassassin/user_prefs |
| 21:22.12 | adnc | has someone got an idea what mistake i do? |
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| 21:22.40 | adnc | why does it try to write to my regular users home directory |
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| 21:25.10 | themill | adnc: how are you running spamd? using the init script? |
| 21:25.41 | adnc | themill: yes, and configured in /etc/default/spamassassin |
| 21:25.49 | adnc | with these options set |
| 21:25.58 | adnc | OPTIONS="--allow-tell --create-prefs --max-children 2 \ --helper-home-dir /var/lib/spamassassin/ --virtual-config-dir=/var/lib/spamassassin/%u -u spamd " |
| 21:26.10 | Gwildor | Wyzard, if you look at http://p.opsat.net/v/1hb, it appears to probe xorg......any idea why xorg gives me http://p.opsat.net/v/1hc then? |
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| 21:26.23 | netdaemon | whats a good size for /boot? |
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| 21:26.41 | Wyzard | netdaemon: I use 100MB -- more than needed, but still tiny compared to the size of a disk |
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| 21:26.59 | netdaemon | hm...i was thinking 64 |
| 21:27.04 | Wyzard | netdaemon: On my laptop I have a 50MB /boot and it occasionally runs out of space with two or three kernels and the backup initrds that update-initramfs makes |
| 21:27.16 | netdaemon | i'll only have one kernel |
| 21:27.30 | SNow | rebooted, fine now |
| 21:27.50 | netdaemon | Wyzard, ext2 or ext3? |
| 21:27.53 | Wyzard | ext3 |
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| 21:28.05 | Wyzard | I know, the journal takes a little space |
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| 21:28.24 | netdaemon | wasn't critisizing, just asking =) |
| 21:29.11 | Wyzard | The reason I sometimes have multiple kernels is that occasionally one will have problems with suspend/resume or won't be supported by VMware yet, so I keep old working ones around for awhile |
| 21:29.22 | netdaemon | ah |
| 21:29.30 | netdaemon | i use KVM, so that *should* be a non-issue |
| 21:29.39 | adnc | themill: any ideas? |
| 21:30.09 | jpinx | can someone check my ~/.profile adn ~/.bashrc and tell me why I am not getting the right prompt when I chroot into that OS http://rafb.net/p/XdNaFQ80.html |
| 21:30.21 | themill | adnc: that looks sensible. Are you running the init script as root? |
| 21:30.44 | adnc | themill: init script_? you mean /etc/init.d/spamassassin? |
| 21:30.54 | Wyzard | netdaemon: I've been meaning to try out KVM, but I want to continue using VMware because it's mature and pretty powerful, and unfortunately KVM's kernel module conflicts with VMware's (hangs the system if I load kvm-intel) |
| 21:31.05 | netdaemon | ouch =\ |
| 21:32.04 | adnc | themill: ? |
| 21:32.37 | themill | adnc: yes |
| 21:32.49 | adnc | yes, aas root |
| 21:33.18 | adnc | themill: although i wouldnt even know how to run it as a different user |
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| 21:34.59 | _moro_bana_ | does debian ship with codecs for music |
| 21:35.11 | themill | adnc: so you're not running /etc/init.d/spamassasin as akif. Odd. |
| 21:35.18 | netdaemon | _moro_bana_, they're in the repos, if that's what you mean |
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| 21:35.40 | adnc | themill: no, why should it be run as any other user? this is for system wide mail serving |
| 21:35.45 | themill | _moro_bana_: some codecs. There's also debian-multimedia.org for others that debian is not legally able to do so. |
| 21:36.06 | netdaemon | the only thing useful i'v found at debian-multimedia.org is the lame encoder |
| 21:36.30 | themill | adnc: It sounds like you're doing everything right, but it is tyring to use the user "akif" which is why I'm checking that you're not running it as akif. |
| 21:37.00 | themill | netdaemon: there's also w32codecs for other random formats that appear on some websites. |
| 21:37.06 | adnc | themill: i think this is because spamc is called by postfix with the user |
| 21:37.20 | netdaemon | themill, i find gstreamer covers *most* of those quite well =) |
| 21:38.00 | adnc | and as such it tries to write the configuration into the users home directory, but it has permission to do so. |
| 21:38.17 | netdaemon | though with gstreamer, a lot of the time you pull in gnome deps =\ |
| 21:40.40 | themill | adnc: ahh, that will do it. How about you tell postfix to use the "spamd" user for the filtering step |
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| 21:41.46 | adnc | themill: then i will not have user specific test and user can not learn spamassassin |
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| 21:44.06 | themill | adnc: I don't think that spamd is able to do per-user config like that. aiui, spamd uses the one config for all scanning. |
| 21:44.30 | adnc | themill: what is the option -c then for? |
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| 21:44.40 | adnc | pardon -u for spamc i mean |
| 21:45.25 | themill | adnc: hmmm... have you read /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/README.spamd.gz? |
| 21:45.33 | adnc | yes sure |
| 21:46.07 | themill | adnc: "If you do not need to let your users define their own rules ... then just set spamd up to run with the "-u username"" (implying that you cannot have user-defined rules if you use -u with spamd. |
| 21:46.52 | adnc | themill: that is already the case |
| 21:46.52 | themill | adnc: but you've made me very unsure about this now... it's years since I looked at this in detail. |
| 21:47.03 | adnc | ;) |
| 21:47.08 | adnc | how is yours set up? |
| 21:47.28 | adnc | these are the options for spamd : |
| 21:47.29 | adnc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.54 | themill | adnc: on my laptop, spamd runs as my own user. On other mail servers it runs as "spamd" or "spamfilter" and I don't have user-configurable rules. I've never bothered. |
| 21:48.31 | adnc | how does your configuration look like |
| 21:48.48 | adnc | the options for spamd call in /etc/default/spamassassin? |
| 21:50.14 | dudeman | 05:49 < happybot> CSS: Not valid - Error: 1, http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.debian.org |
| 21:50.21 | dudeman | !!! |
| 21:50.21 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:50.39 | dudeman | #leftcol, #navbar, #navbar a Property -moz-border-radius doesn't exist : 15px |
| 21:51.00 | dudeman | (CSS level 2.1) |
| 21:51.02 | dudeman | you see this? |
| 21:51.14 | dudeman | where can I report this ? who is the debian.org webmaster? |
| 21:51.15 | dustybin | wow i got PXE booting to work, boy does it boot FAST!!!!!!!! |
| 21:51.23 | dudeman | dustybin, you have no idea |
| 21:51.24 | themill | adnc: OPTIONS="--create-prefs --max-children 3 --helper-home-dir -u spamfilter" |
| 21:51.31 | dustybin | the thing i dont understand, why does it boot so fast? |
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| 21:51.40 | dustybin | surely its still got to read off the hard drive |
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| 21:52.18 | themill | adnc: as I said though... set up years ago under sarge or perhaps even earlier than that. And modified just enough to keep it working since then, but no more. |
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| 21:53.42 | adnc | themill: if you do use postfix, how do you call spamc there? |
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| 21:56.38 | themill | adnc: eww.... I remember. With a hacky crappy shell script on that machine. Not one of my finest moments, that one, actually, but time was short on that job and (predictably) I never got back to fixing it up. |
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| 21:57.03 | adnc | themill: do you use postfix? |
| 21:57.44 | themill | adnc: on that machine. But my postfix-fu isn't great any more. I've not had to touch it for years. Which is a great compliment to postfix and debian, I guess. |
| 21:58.04 | adnc | i understand |
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| 22:02.45 | themill | adnc: ask the channel though, someone else might know. Or try back on a weekday when there are more sysadmins around. Or try in #postfix. |
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| 22:05.13 | adv | anyone can recommend a cli utility for mp3 to wav conversion? |
| 22:06.12 | Sling | vlc |
| 22:06.24 | Sling | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.42 | adv | Sling: didn't do it :/ |
| 22:09.56 | Sling | check the vlc manual |
| 22:10.18 | Sling | or go to #videolan |
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| 22:24.00 | themill | adv: mencoder from debian-multimedia.org can do it |
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| 22:25.31 | klivian | jpinx: Sorry, I stepped away from my computer; do you still need help? |
| 22:28.48 | n-iCe | bbl |
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| 22:33.08 | themill | dudeman: there is the www.debian.org pseudopackage. See http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org But don't expect anything to happen unless you can provide a patch to debian.css that still works with most renderers (in particular gecko, webkit/khtml and IE), then don't expect that anyone will pay any attention to it. |
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| 22:34.00 | overdrive | hi ppl, is there any way to record 'video' as a gif or similar from the console (not in a X session, not a terminal) |
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| 22:40.52 | brincade | hi |
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| 22:48.31 | brincade | anybody could tell me if is it possible to download a package with their dependencies automatically? thanks |
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| 22:49.11 | zinx | brincade: that's what aptitude / apt-get / synaptic etc are for |
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| 22:49.36 | tdrusk | Is there anything like Geany for KDE? |
| 22:49.46 | brincade | zinx, i want to download only, in order to perform an installation in other computer... |
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| 22:50.40 | seanp2k | ok, does anyone have an idea how to do this: I have a RAID1 array, and want to upgrade it to a RAID 5 array with a different but very similar controller (3ware 7500 series) |
| 22:50.54 | themill | dpkg: tell brincade about apt-zip |
| 22:51.08 | seanp2k | I want to first back up the data to a 500gb external SATA HDD on a windows server 2k3 box |
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| 22:51.27 | adv | i have a laptop with intel t2130 cpu. which driver do i have to modprobe in order to get my wireless card recognized? |
| 22:51.43 | brincade | thanks themill |
| 22:51.44 | themill | tdrusk: kdevelop is pretty good |
| 22:51.44 | seanp2k | right now the solution I have chosen is taring it with the "p" option to a mounted samba share |
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| 22:51.57 | seanp2k | however, it is taking about 24 hours for 80GB |
| 22:52.04 | tdrusk | themill: Thanks again, I'll check it. |
| 22:52.31 | seanp2k | my network is gigabit and the PCs have a normal sustained transfer over the network of ~38MB/sec |
| 22:52.36 | themill | adv: what's the wireless chipset? lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 22:53.36 | lvh | hi |
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| 22:54.08 | yziquel | hi |
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| 22:55.21 | brincade | hi lvh |
| 22:55.23 | brincade | hi yziquel |
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| 23:10.44 | adv | themill: it doesn't show anything:/ |
| 23:11.06 | themill | adv: anything in lsusb? |
| 23:11.26 | adv | themill: nope |
| 23:12.11 | themill | adv: do you know what wireless chipset you have? |
| 23:13.11 | adv | themill: no :/ |
| 23:14.06 | themill | !what's my wireless |
| 23:14.06 | dpkg | Install the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/, or ask about <whats my hardware> |
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| 23:24.37 | adnc | i get this error when i try to install a file |
| 23:24.38 | adnc | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `dspam' in statoverride file |
| 23:24.38 | dpkg | adnc: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:25.04 | adnc | how can i fix apt in this case |
| 23:28.46 | dustybin | when i try and restart the interfaces on my pxe machine it errors with this |
| 23:28.48 | dustybin | Reconfiguring network interfaces...ifdown: failed to open statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: Read-only file system |
| 23:28.51 | dustybin | ifup: failed to open statefile /etc/network/run/ifstate: Read-only file system |
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| 23:30.23 | nolimitsoya | any way of telling wether my optical caches audio data? |
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| 23:31.42 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: If you're talking about a CD/DVD drive, I haven't heard of them doing that, but I don't see why it'd matter |
| 23:31.56 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, audio ripping |
| 23:32.22 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: How would it matter for that? |
| 23:33.01 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, rippers that reread to handle errors will be fed the same error over and over, thus not noticing there is a problem |
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| 23:34.43 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: I've done a lot of audio ripping in a variety of drives from different manufacturers, and I'm able to get byte-for-byte identical results from different drives even on discs that need some retrying to get past errors, so I don't think that's a problem |
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| 23:36.07 | adnc | what is the statoverride file in this error? |
| 23:36.08 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, thats not helpfull. i gather none af those drives used caching, or the cachefilling of cdparanoia worked. i have reason to believe mine doesnt |
| 23:36.08 | adnc | dpkg: syntax error: unknown user `dspam' in statoverride file |
| 23:36.08 | dpkg | adnc: no idea |
| 23:36.24 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, not a strong one, but a reason... |
| 23:36.37 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: Get a different drive then -- they're not expensive |
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| 23:36.54 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: I always rip and compare in at least two drives, preferably three, before considering a rip "good" |
| 23:36.55 | adnc | what is a statoverride file |
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| 23:37.35 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: (I'm a bit of a perfectionist about audio ripping though) |
| 23:37.51 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, my plextor is, and buying another one with yet another cache is a massive fail. reriping all 400cd:s in diffrent readers for not being able to trust the software is unacceptable |
| 23:38.11 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, i just wanted to know how i checked for caching, thats all |
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| 23:38.24 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: I don't know how to check but I've never heard of it being a problem |
| 23:39.06 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, then you are not a ripping perfectionist ;) |
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| 23:39.55 | jescis | I got kick off #ubuntu \o/ |
| 23:40.06 | netdaemon | Wyzard, you'd probably like rubyripper |
| 23:40.07 | jescis | kicked* |
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| 23:40.55 | Wyzard | nolimitsoya: If I rip a CD in a Lite-On, a Samsung, a Plextor, and a Hitachi drive, using the appropriate offset correction for each drive, and the results differ when cdparanoia reports any read issues (even '-' marks) but are completely identical in a clean rip, I'm pretty confident that I have an accurate copy |
| 23:41.16 | adv | which driver do i have to load for intel3945ABG chipset? |
| 23:41.25 | doublehp | nfs problem: http://rafb.net/p/ZYnI7w69.html any one can help ? same command suceeded on an other debian ... |
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| 23:42.09 | nolimitsoya | Wyzard, please keep to the issue at hand. caching is a real problem as youll se with just a quick look at hydrogenaudio, eacdiscussions and cdparanoia devdiscussions |
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| 23:42.19 | Wyzard | netdaemon: haven't heard of it, but I use cdparanoia directly -- getting past read quirks on some CDs requires some manual massaging that I don't think any of the frontends can do |
| 23:43.16 | netdaemon | ah |
| 23:43.28 | netdaemon | i find ripping straight through helps rather than trying to repair |
| 23:43.38 | netdaemon | most of the repair jobs i'v encountered suck =\ |
| 23:44.56 | Wyzard | netdaemon: I get mostly clean rips, but on some discs I see "hiccups" (minor issues that cause cdparanoia to print a '-' rather than a space), often but not always just before a track boundary, and those cause differences between rips from different drives |
| 23:45.21 | Wyzard | netdaemon: but if I tell cdparanoia to stop reading a second or two before the trouble spot, and then run it again to start ripping at the same place, the hiccup doesn't occur and I get consistent results between drives |
| 23:45.22 | netdaemon | hm |
| 23:45.56 | Wyzard | netdaemon: I'm not really sure what causes it, but it seems to happen more often on CDs manufactured in Japan (I own a fair number of anime and game soundtracks) |
| 23:46.08 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 23:46.19 | Wyzard | I suspect it's just defects caused by worn-down stampers |
| 23:46.20 | netdaemon | i wouldn't mind the chrono trigger/cross soundtracks =) |
| 23:46.32 | Wyzard | netdaemon: I have clean FLAC rips of both of those :-) |
| 23:46.45 | netdaemon | oh nice, hehe |
| 23:46.50 | netdaemon | final fantasy 7 as well? |
| 23:47.18 | Wyzard | netdaemon: Anyway, my use of cdparanoia tends to be ripping as raw CDDA (no .wav header) so that I can rip in multiple segments like I described, and then cat the results together to get a big .cdda file for the whole disc |
| 23:47.35 | Wyzard | which I then feed to the FLAC encoder together with the cuesheet |
| 23:47.38 | netdaemon | interesting |
| 23:47.49 | netdaemon | i may write a nice little perl script for my ripping |
| 23:48.01 | netdaemon | i can't find any DE dependent decent ripper |
| 23:48.18 | Wyzard | It's the process of working around those hiccups that's difficult to automate -- I've thought about writing a tool, but it's not really worth the trouble |
| 23:48.53 | Wyzard | netdaemon: and no, I don't have the FF7 soundtrack, but I do have FFX |
| 23:50.02 | netdaemon | i really should do my perl homework rather than writing a perl script for CD ripping though |
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| 23:57.58 | muddd | where would the "proper" place be to have a command run at boot just once, I had one in my .bashrc but it only needs to be done once, not every time I open xterm |
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| 23:58.18 | themill | dpkg: tell muddd about startup |
| 23:58.28 | muddd | yes please :) |
| 23:59.11 | themill | muddd: you can also get cron to do it for you with @reboot. (man 5 crontab) |
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