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| 00:00.11 | robin_sz | apologies |
| 00:00.11 | dmoerner | !paste |
| 00:00.11 | dmoerner | !pastebin |
| 00:00.11 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:00.17 | dmoerner | whoops sorry dpkg was just slow today |
| 00:01.04 | robin_sz | hmm -1 |
| 00:01.06 | Paul_UK | does anyone use vncserver here? |
| 00:02.08 | robin_sz | -1 was a BAD choice |
| 00:02.11 | robin_sz | sorted |
| 00:02.14 | robin_sz | thansk ppl |
| 00:03.25 | jelly-home | robin_sz: that looks like a sarge box. "/msg dpkg sarge->etch"? |
| 00:03.39 | robin_sz | yeah, they am old sarge boxen |
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| 00:19.38 | Akuw | Hi |
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| 00:20.13 | Akuw | i want a normal user without root privileges can create dir and file into /var/www |
| 00:20.39 | kgoetz | why? |
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| 00:21.36 | Akuw | to test php |
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| 00:21.43 | Akuw | in a classroom |
| 00:21.53 | kgoetz | why dont they use their ~/public_html directories? |
| 00:21.54 | WormFood | chmod 777 /var/www |
| 00:21.55 | AMDmi3 | hi; I've problem with lenny @ asus eeepc; it just won't poweroff, just halts instead; clean system didn't have this problem, but after installing some packages (nothing system actually, mainly desktop stuff), it just halts when I do `poweroff` |
| 00:22.15 | WormFood | kgoetz, because he does not understand apache or unix |
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| 00:22.26 | abrotman | WormFood: don't do that |
| 00:22.27 | kgoetz | WormFood: then he should be made to understand |
| 00:22.46 | WormFood | abrotman, don't do what? |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | Akuw: ignore WormFood .. using chmod on that directory is *very* dangerous |
| 00:22.51 | abrotman | WormFood: don't do that |
| 00:23.00 | Akuw | hummmm |
| 00:23.08 | WormFood | I'm just telling him how to do what he asked |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | no .. that's not hte right way |
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| 00:23.22 | WormFood | the other way would be to 'chown user.user /var/www' |
| 00:23.28 | Akuw | i can create a group with write and excecute permission |
| 00:23.31 | ehtom | apt-get install grub... will that run grub-install? |
| 00:23.36 | abrotman | do you understand what happens when you chmod 777 to that directory ? |
| 00:23.42 | Akuw | yeah |
| 00:23.43 | kgoetz | Akuw: or you could do it properly |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | i'm asking WormFood |
| 00:23.48 | jpinx | Akuw; use sudo |
| 00:23.53 | unop | WormFood, the right way would be to add the user to the www-data group |
| 00:24.06 | WormFood | abrotman, I've been running unix type systems for 20 years, of course I know |
| 00:24.08 | Akuw | how? |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | WormFood: apparently not .. or you'd realize it's extremely dangerous |
| 00:24.24 | WormFood | the proper way would be to configure apache the right way |
| 00:24.27 | unop | Akuw, how what? |
| 00:24.34 | WormFood | abrotman, I was just answering his question :P |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | WormFood: don't give out dangerous "advice" |
| 00:24.47 | WormFood | he didn't ask for a "safe way" to do what he asked |
| 00:24.51 | abrotman | don't be an ass |
| 00:24.58 | jpinx | Akuw: man sudoers |
| 00:25.00 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.20 | WormFood | or configure apache the correct way |
| 00:25.26 | unop | Akuw, sudo adduser $USER www-data |
| 00:25.57 | WormFood | that is, assuming apache is accessing that directory as www-data |
| 00:26.02 | kgoetz | applies lart bat |
| 00:26.49 | Akuw | i add the user how you told me |
| 00:27.01 | Akuw | but still i can{ t create dirs in /var/www |
| 00:27.14 | kgoetz | you shouldnt be. |
| 00:27.21 | unop | Akuw, which group owns that directory? |
| 00:27.35 | kgoetz | you should be enabling mod_userdir, and telling people to use their ~/public_html directorries for thier work |
| 00:27.38 | Akuw | root |
| 00:27.39 | WormFood | Akuw, invest som time into learning how things work....it is an INVESTMENT |
| 00:28.02 | unop | Akuw, chgrp www-data /var/www && chmod g+s /var/www |
| 00:28.20 | unop | Akuw, and you might need to log out and log back in for your group membership to change |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 00:28.33 | unop | Akuw, or start a new login shell |
| 00:28.43 | jpinx | Akuw: I see you are in calssroom environment - please learn what youa re teaching |
| 00:28.58 | jpinx | s/classroom |
| 00:28.59 | WormFood | you clearly do not understand ownership and permissions...I'm not trying to be an ass, but you can't ask everyone else to do thing for you...invest the time it takes to learn and understand how things work. |
| 00:29.33 | jpinx | Akuw: for that environment it is probably best to use sudo |
| 00:29.42 | Akuw | the |
| 00:29.54 | jpinx | and not mess with group memberships, permissions etc |
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| 00:29.58 | Akuw | they have to sudo mkdir phpsamples |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 00:30.05 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 00:30.09 | ehtom | nobody has any idea if apt-get install grub runs grub-install? |
| 00:30.11 | Akuw | and sudo pico sample.php |
| 00:30.12 | abrotman | even though that's still run |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | ehtom: yes it should |
| 00:30.23 | Akuw | hummm |
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| 00:30.24 | Akuw | ok |
| 00:30.37 | ehtom | abrotman: then thats bad... since grub isnt currently installed and I dont want it to wreck anything |
| 00:30.38 | jpinx | Akuw: man sudoers |
| 00:30.46 | ehtom | abrotman: how do I make it not run grub-install? |
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| 00:30.52 | abrotman | ehtom: why would you want that? |
| 00:31.18 | ehtom | abrotman: well, because I dont have a grub.conf |
| 00:31.26 | ehtom | and because /dev/sda = windows |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | you won't .. /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:31.36 | abrotman | you mean /dev/sda1 = windows |
| 00:31.41 | ehtom | well yes |
| 00:31.45 | abrotman | so what's the problem? |
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| 00:31.53 | ehtom | /dev/sdb = linux |
| 00:31.59 | ehtom | so it needs to install it there |
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| 00:32.12 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | why not just have grub boot windows? |
| 00:32.27 | ehtom | i plan to |
| 00:32.34 | ehtom | but i'm using a very wierd setup |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | okay .. so install it to /dev/sda ? |
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| 00:33.05 | ehtom | so... tell me how to make it not run grub-install? |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | i still don't get why you'd want to |
| 00:33.43 | ehtom | incase something breaks |
| 00:34.08 | abrotman | how are you going to know if something breaks if you never install it ? |
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| 00:34.20 | WormFood | Akuw, I'll give you a big unix/linux tip....most problems are caused by ownership or permission problems....so learning those subjects well, really is a GOOD INVESTMENT of your time if you plan on really using unix/linux |
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| 00:35.13 | Akuw | ok |
| 00:35.17 | Akuw | i will use sudo |
| 00:35.24 | AMDmi3 | so no one can help with poweroff issue? |
| 00:35.33 | ehtom | abrotman: because i will install ye grub to /dev/sdb |
| 00:35.43 | Akuw | but i can't run php scripts |
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| 00:35.47 | abrotman | does your computer boot from /dev/sdb ? |
| 00:35.54 | Akuw | i installed apache and php |
| 00:35.56 | ehtom | atm yes |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 00:36.06 | dpkg | it has been said that eee is see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net, or see http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ See also <atl2>. |
| 00:36.07 | ProN00b | /etc/init.d/mysql start says failed, how do i get debug info or error message ? |
| 00:36.09 | jpinx | Akuw: you running PHP scripts from cl ? |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | AMDmi3: ^^^^ |
| 00:36.12 | ehtom | but /dev/sdb's mbr currently contains a broken lilo |
| 00:36.16 | Akuw | no |
| 00:36.20 | Akuw | browser |
| 00:36.29 | ehtom | so to use windows I have to chanhe the bios to boot sda |
| 00:36.35 | abrotman | ehtom: but you don't want grub to install to /dev/sda at all ? |
| 00:36.38 | jpinx | Akuw: how do you know if you can't run scripts? |
| 00:36.44 | ehtom | abrotman: no |
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| 00:36.54 | ehtom | abrotman: there is no need for it to do so |
| 00:36.57 | Akuw | in my browser |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | ehtom: hrm .. i'm not sure if it will see that it booted from sdb or not .. never tried |
| 00:37.04 | Akuw | .php files |
| 00:37.31 | jpinx | ProNoob: dmesg |
| 00:37.44 | ehtom | abrotman: it doesn't matter where the bootloader is installed, so long as the bios loads it |
| 00:37.46 | rm_you | anyone know if the stock 2.6 kernels come with "equal cost multi path" enabled? as per http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt and some other references, i am trying to set up a multi-connection router-box-thing :) |
| 00:37.57 | jpinx | Akuw: this is better in #php |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | ehtom: so then just install it and see where it goes :) |
| 00:38.05 | ehtom | omg |
| 00:38.10 | ehtom | you're completely not getting me |
| 00:38.18 | abrotman | ehtom: AFAIK there is no way to stop it from running on install |
| 00:38.24 | ehtom | ok |
| 00:38.34 | ehtom | h4xtime |
| 00:38.41 | amphi | ISTR being asked if I wanted to install grub |
| 00:38.44 | abrotman | ehtom: you could grab the source package and see if it installs to the booted drive or just the first one |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | wonders how the broken lilo boots linux |
| 00:39.26 | ehtom | with a fluke |
| 00:39.29 | ehtom | basically |
| 00:39.45 | ehtom | only because all the linux kernel is in a contiguous part of the disk |
| 00:39.47 | ProN00b | /etc/init.d/mysql start says failed, how do i get debug info or error message ? |
| 00:39.48 | ehtom | else it would break |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | ProN00b: look in the mysql log |
| 00:40.09 | ProN00b | abrotman, there is none |
| 00:40.23 | abrotman | /var/log/mysql/mysql.log >? |
| 00:40.41 | abrotman | or /var/log/mysql.log |
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| 00:42.00 | ProN00b | abrotman, i replaced /var/log with a softlink somewhere else, could that be the source of the problem = |
| 00:42.01 | ProN00b | ? |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | doubt it |
| 00:42.23 | abrotman | if you run /etc/init.d/mysql start .. what does it say ? |
| 00:42.29 | ehtom | how do I de-compile a .deb archive? |
| 00:42.35 | ProN00b | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 00:42.39 | abrotman | ehtom: ar x foo.deb |
| 00:42.39 | ProN00b | failed! in red |
| 00:42.44 | abrotman | in red?! |
| 00:42.58 | ehtom | thx |
| 00:43.41 | ProN00b | is there some kinda debug start ? |
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| 00:45.10 | Theoden | abrotman: Hey - thx for the help the other day - system is up and working fine. :) |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:45.58 | amphi | ProN00b: the log, perhaps |
| 00:46.57 | jpinx | ProNoob: do /etc/init.d xxx and it'll tell you the options |
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| 00:50.46 | ProN00b | seems it reacted to removing the logs |
| 00:50.50 | ProN00b | thats kinda shitty |
| 00:53.23 | amphi | touch them ;) |
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| 01:37.24 | ae | hello - i have either a faulty psu, mb or cpu. is there anyway you can think of for me to test it? |
| 01:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | exchange the parts one by one :-P |
| 01:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are programs for testing memory |
| 01:38.26 | pickcoder | ae: what is the behaviour |
| 01:38.44 | ae | Under load (ie. playing a video full screen) the machine reboots |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | ##hardware |
| 01:38.55 | ae | i have replaced hd, videocard and ram |
| 01:38.57 | pickcoder | probably memory |
| 01:39.07 | pickcoder | run the memory tester |
| 01:40.03 | ae | pickcoder: Have replaced ram and harddisk already... so i'm guessing it must be something else |
| 01:40.08 | abrotman | ##hardware |
| 01:40.14 | pickcoder | if it's an ATX make sure you connected the 12V additional rail for the CPU |
| 01:40.33 | ae | abrotman: been there :) was hoping for some command line diagnostic tool |
| 01:40.44 | ae | pickcoder: thanks for the tip |
| 01:40.48 | pickcoder | ae: grab the memory tester package and burn a bootable CD |
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| 01:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ae, hm, to distinguish memory <-> CPU, perhaps write a small program that just does a simple maths operation over and over (to heat up the CPU) or reduce the speed of the CPU in bios |
| 01:42.12 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean like "stress" |
| 01:42.15 | pickcoder | or "bonnie++" |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | !info cpuburn etch |
| 01:42.46 | Supaplex | there's also memtest86+ |
| 01:42.46 | abrotman | fair warning .. i once killed a suspect machine with cpuburn |
| 01:42.54 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-23 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 01:43.00 | pickcoder | Supaplex: that's what I was referring to |
| 01:43.24 | Supaplex | well, like abrotman says, don't let the magic smoke escape. okay? :) |
| 01:43.31 | pickcoder | abrotman: did it have a heatsink?? :P |
| 01:43.35 | ae | heh |
| 01:43.51 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes, and a fan .. but it cooked the whole thing IIRC |
| 01:44.27 | pickcoder | installer error... |
| 01:44.32 | pickcoder | heh |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | pickcoder: the machine was old .. PII in maybe 2003 or so |
| 01:44.46 | pickcoder | oh |
| 01:44.58 | pickcoder | yeah they did tend to act like rocks |
| 01:45.07 | pickcoder | I burned myself on one |
| 01:45.13 | ae | would playing a video use just cpu or ram as well? |
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| 01:45.43 | abrotman | both |
| 01:45.48 | pickcoder | ae: if the video card is screwy it can cause problems too. Just test the CPU and memory first. |
| 01:46.00 | pickcoder | separate, preferable |
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| 01:46.24 | pickcoder | ae: what CPU is it |
| 01:46.39 | ae | pickcoder: will do. I have replaced the videocard already. |
| 01:46.48 | ae | pickcoder: amd 4200 |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | is it overclocked? |
| 01:47.00 | pickcoder | 400W PS? |
| 01:47.18 | ae | not overclocked and it has a 450W PS (Antec) |
| 01:47.25 | tao36 | can someone tell me how to "install" a usb sound card? |
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| 01:47.36 | abrotman | plug it in? |
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| 01:47.40 | abrotman | run alsaconf ? |
| 01:47.44 | tao36 | nope |
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| 01:47.54 | tao36 | FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio not found. |
| 01:47.54 | tao36 | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_usb_audio |
| 01:48.38 | ae | would the following command just be cpu (no ram) find / | grep 'something' |
| 01:48.47 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | ae: not really |
| 01:48.56 | pickcoder | ae: ok.. yeah you need to make sure you have the 12V CPU rail connected. |
| 01:49.08 | pickcoder | they don't run too stable without.. some MB won't even boot without it |
| 01:49.13 | tao36 | long time ago |
| 01:49.23 | abrotman | tao36: does it work with a debian kernel ? |
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| 01:49.51 | tao36 | abrotman: no but it once did |
| 01:49.59 | pickcoder | ae: no.. try stress or cpuburn |
| 01:50.04 | pickcoder | !info stress etch |
| 01:50.10 | dpkg | stress: (A tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.18.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 01:50.11 | abrotman | tao36: i meant the usb card |
| 01:50.28 | ae | pickcoder: ok thanks |
| 01:50.29 | tao36 | i have two and none of them works |
| 01:51.10 | tao36 | abrotman: i have two and none of them works |
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| 01:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ae, how about that: perl -e '$a=134;while(1){$b=sqrt($a)}' |
| 01:51.23 | ae | pickcoder: 12V is connected - going to run stress and see what happens |
| 01:51.25 | Supaplex | when I apt-get source mencoder, the dsc file only describes mplayer. wth? |
| 01:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ae, (run multiple instances for multiple cores/processors) |
| 01:51.27 | abrotman | tao36: with or without the debian kernel? |
| 01:51.28 | ae | CutMeOwnThroat: ahh thanks! |
| 01:51.44 | abrotman | tao36: roughly .. i'm not going to sit here and guess what you did and did not compile into a custom kernel |
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| 01:51.48 | tao36 | abrotman: i only use debian |
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| 01:52.47 | tao36 | abrotman: i didnt compile kernel but i use sid |
| 01:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ae, but using the "stress" mentioned above is probably more professional - I mean, I just just one and the same command all the time, which doesn't really use all regions of the CPU |
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| 01:53.30 | abrotman | tao36: get the USB id .. check to see if it's supported at all |
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| 01:54.12 | tao36 | abrotman: hum.. ok the one that shows with dmesg? |
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| 01:54.32 | abrotman | lsusb -vv or something .. then look in your modules.usb or whtever it is |
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| 01:55.19 | tao36 | abrotman: you see i once had novation xstation working but now snd-usb-audio seems to have vanished |
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| 01:56.29 | tao36 | abrotman: sorry for incorrect english :) |
| 01:56.43 | abrotman | me or you? |
| 01:56.46 | tao36 | me |
| 01:56.48 | tao36 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:58.30 | niriven | Does debian track high level what the user installed explicitly? Like, openoffice, gnome, xorg, etc. |
| 01:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it tries to |
| 01:58.49 | kgoetz | what does 'track high level' mean? |
| 01:59.26 | abrotman | !installed |
| 01:59.26 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 02:00.04 | odla | if i accidently selected eastern timezone in the installer how can i go and change it to central? |
| 02:00.14 | pickcoder | niriven: most of the bigger packages have a meta package that reflects the core components |
| 02:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he meant what packages are installed vice what packages are pulled in automatically to fulfil dependencies |
| 02:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but |
| 02:00.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might be wrong |
| 02:01.17 | niriven | CutMeOwnThroat, Right :) |
| 02:01.20 | ae | CutMeOwnThroat: worked a treat (as in it maxed out the processors). the machine stayed awake though... just running stress now |
| 02:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | odla, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata , I think |
| 02:01.37 | pickcoder | !tz |
| 02:01.37 | dpkg | tz is, like, defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem |
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| 02:01.53 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 02:01.53 | niriven | CutMeOwnThroat, how do you do that? |
| 02:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | not it |
| 02:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !timezone |
| 02:02.02 | dpkg | timezone is probably "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
| 02:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | tzconfig, then |
| 02:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or tzselect after etch |
| 02:02.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, :-P |
| 02:02.40 | niriven | pickcoder, How do i list what i installed, and not what was pulled as a dependency? (top level packages) |
| 02:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | niriven, aptitude and apt-get try to do it - and will offer you a choice of packages which "can be removed because they were installed automatically" |
| 02:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | niriven, this started only... 1-2 years ago and I don't have the feeling it's working satisfactorily yet |
| 02:03.23 | niriven | CutMeOwnThroat, Ah ok. |
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| 02:03.59 | eorlroe | where's the right place to ask a question about lenny? |
| 02:04.05 | tao36 | abrotman: i dont know where it is modules.usb |
| 02:04.09 | eorlroe | (installation/set-up that is) |
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| 02:04.30 | tao36 | abrotman: in /etc/ doesnt compute |
| 02:04.31 | abrotman | tao36: /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 02:04.36 | tao36 | ok |
| 02:05.21 | muddd | how do you add a line to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh for a program to be run as a specific user? |
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| 02:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, try here? |
| 02:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, as re /topic |
| 02:07.02 | eorlroe | cutmeown: thanks -- I just didn't want to be rude, since it's a question about unstable (dev). |
| 02:07.11 | abrotman | lenny is not unstable |
| 02:07.39 | eorlroe | muddd: I don't think you can do it from a script. It's a security issue to change user id's from a script. |
| 02:08.03 | eorlroe | abrot: Well, it's not stable, either. (is it?) I thought that was in october. |
| 02:08.17 | muddd | hmm. so normal users cant have a program autostartup with the server then unless its as root? |
| 02:08.40 | unop | muddd, su, sudo ? |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | eorlroe: no .. not stable |
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| 02:08.48 | abrotman | lenny is currently testing |
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| 02:09.15 | eorlroe | Ok, my problem: I upgraded to lenny this weekend. When I switch between virtual consoles is OK, but when I go back to X (Ctrl+F7) it sends extra info to the X Server. I usually get a beep and see a ~ character on the screen. |
| 02:09.33 | muddd | hey didnt think of that i will try that unop thx |
| 02:09.50 | eorlroe | muddd: Don't be surprised if sudo doesn't work... fwiw. |
| 02:10.10 | muddd | its ok i'm just trying different things to see what works |
| 02:10.18 | eorlroe | muddd: I think the only ways to do it are to suid on the program to be executed, or if the program has the option to "switch to user" |
| 02:10.32 | eorlroe | muddd: that is, the program that you're running from the script. |
| 02:10.55 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 02:10.58 | unop | eorlroe, I think he just wants one command to be run as another user- - not the script itsel |
| 02:11.02 | unop | itself |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | su -c ? |
| 02:11.09 | tao36 | abrotman: i did find a modules.usbmap but its big and i didnt seem to find the id of the sound card so i think |
| 02:11.14 | unop | abrotman, that's what i suggested |
| 02:11.19 | abrotman | tao36: what's the usbid ? |
| 02:11.58 | tao36 | abrotman: i get this Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0a73:0007 |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | tao36: i don't see it in my modules.usbmap |
| 02:12.48 | abrotman | uh wait .. i can't type |
| 02:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, err.. ctrl-F7? Isn't it either Ctrl-Alt-FX (if coming from X or console) or Alt-FX (only from console) |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | i don't see it there |
| 02:13.23 | tao36 | abrotman: the path : /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-powerpc/ |
| 02:13.32 | abrotman | yeah .. i dont see it in mine |
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| 02:13.37 | eorlroe | cutmeown: my bad. Yes: ctrl+alt+f7. |
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| 02:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, sounds as if the F7 or the whole combination is sent to the X server... perhaps try just alt-F7 coming from a console that should also work |
| 02:15.33 | tao36 | abrotman: are you using sid or etch? |
| 02:15.33 | eorlroe | Nope. I just tried it. The F7 is still going to X. |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | tao36: lenny .. but i have a .26 kernel |
| 02:15.49 | tao36 | ohh... |
| 02:15.53 | tao36 | ok |
| 02:17.14 | eorlroe | cutmeown: i.e. I was in emacs when switching and it said, <f7> is undefined |
| 02:17.27 | tao36 | abrotman: thank you for your time, but i have to sleep its 3:17 here :) |
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| 02:17.34 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:18.39 | stoned | :( |
| 02:18.46 | stoned | life kinda sucks |
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| 02:18.57 | stoned | I dunno wtf I was doign I typed rm ~/.irssi/config |
| 02:19.02 | stoned | I have no idea why and now I'm pissed off |
| 02:19.12 | stoned | is there a reiserfs undelete? |
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| 02:19.44 | abrotman | not really .. kind of defeats the purpose of a journaled filesystem |
| 02:19.55 | stoned | eh |
| 02:19.58 | stoned | I figured as much |
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| 02:20.29 | stoned | http://www.irssi.org/documentation/settings <-- now I have to go throug this again :( |
| 02:20.38 | eorlroe | I think I was wrong about su inside a script. -- I think what I remembered is that you can't set a script suid. My bad. |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | or restore from backup |
| 02:20.46 | stoned | what backup! |
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| 02:21.00 | stoned | I made no backup |
| 02:21.01 | stoned | :( |
| 02:21.11 | stoned | set completion_strict = OFF |
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| 02:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, you're aware that you most probably can autocomplete nicks with Tab? :) |
| 02:26.51 | smacnay | any recommended pod downloaders? gpodder? |
| 02:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, perhaps file a bug report... |
| 02:27.10 | screamingbytes | stoned: vim backup? |
| 02:27.31 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: Nope, I wasn't aware. Thanks for the tip. (I don't IRC much.) |
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| 02:28.00 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: Also... I think I figured it out. I think my kbdrate delay is set lower than what I'm used to. |
| 02:28.33 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: When I mash on the key, X gets the F7. If I hit and release it quickly, it doesn't happen. |
| 02:28.40 | eorlroe | feels stupid now. :-/ |
| 02:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:29.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem solved, I guess |
| 02:31.12 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone's welcome to me doing nothing and handing out stupid comments :)\ |
| 02:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I mean it |
| 02:32.47 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: and you're so *good* at it! |
| 02:32.52 | eorlroe | :-) |
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| 02:33.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 02:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone's gotta do what he's best at |
| 02:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
| 02:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | except Mr. Bush |
| 02:33.49 | eorlroe | ah... now don't start that stuff up. :-P |
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| 02:39.59 | mewshi | hello :) |
| 02:41.12 | eorlroe | hello |
| 02:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, was just thinking about what I said :) |
| 02:41.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I figured there are perfect examples where what I said doesn't hold true |
| 02:43.12 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: it's cool. I didn't take anything by it. |
| 02:43.17 | mewshi | I wanna find a local machine, but I can't get it's ip address... help! |
| 02:43.53 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: I just see lots of "bush bashing" on /. -- and was hoping not to be in the middle of it here. (I kinda like Bush, myself.....) |
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| 02:44.55 | eorlroe | mewshi: I usually use 'nmap' for that. What's the IP address of your PC? |
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| 02:45.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | eorlroe, well... what shall I say - he's such an excellent and huge target - I actually wanted to bash something else, but hit him instead... I mean ... a drunk who didn't get elected president of the world and then, 4 years later they do it again? |
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| 02:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, enough OT for now |
| 02:46.33 | eorlroe | CutMeOwnThroat: Ha! |
| 02:46.56 | mewshi | Of mine? the local one is 10.30.206.26 |
| 02:46.58 | mewshi | yes |
| 02:47.14 | mewshi | i tried running nmap to find all hosts in 10.30.206.* |
| 02:47.23 | mewshi | it only gives me mine... o.O |
| 02:47.55 | eorlroe | mewshi: is this your own home network? What kind of network are you on? |
| 02:48.01 | mewshi | my school network |
| 02:48.03 | mewshi | but the thing is |
| 02:48.12 | mewshi | i have my hub between me and the wall |
| 02:48.25 | mewshi | and the machine i'm trying to get to is plugged in there, too |
| 02:49.29 | eorlroe | Do you have access to the other machine? What OS is on it? |
| 02:49.37 | mewshi | debian |
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| 02:51.32 | eorlroe | If you have access to both machines -- '/sbin/ifconfig' should show you the IP addresses. |
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| 02:52.14 | mewshi | The thing is |
| 02:52.20 | mewshi | the other machine hasn't a keyboard |
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| 02:54.13 | eorlroe | mewshi: If it was set up for DHCP -- were *you* the DCHP server? Otherwise the school server gave it whatever IP address it wanted. |
| 02:54.53 | mewshi | so... what do I do...? |
| 02:55.06 | mewshi | I mean... how can I even found out what range it's in...? |
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| 02:57.09 | Wyzard | mewshi: avahi would come in handy here |
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| 02:57.44 | mewshi | what's it do? |
| 02:58.05 | Tramp | mewshi: if it's really a hub, just tcpdump (maybe filtering out known traffic to your IP etc). Sooner (or later) maybe it'll talk to somebody, e.g. the dhcp-server to renew its lease |
| 02:58.23 | mewshi | Oh, hey! :D |
| 02:58.28 | mewshi | THanks Tramp!!! |
| 02:58.37 | Wyzard | lets you look up a machine's IP from its hostname, on a LAN, via DNS, without needing to set up any sort of server |
| 02:58.42 | Tramp | yw |
| 02:58.48 | Wyzard | It's the same thing that Apple calls "Bonjour" |
| 02:59.00 | Wyzard | mewshi: Plug in a keyboard and install the "avahi" and "libnss-mdns" packages on both computers |
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| 02:59.08 | abrotman | rendezvous ? |
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| 02:59.21 | Wyzard | then ping foobar.local, where foobar is the other machine's hostname |
| 02:59.29 | dudeman | hm |
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| 02:59.39 | abrotman | !rendezvous |
| 02:59.42 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:59.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: It used to be called Rendezvous, but someone else had that trademarked so Apple renamed it |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | oh gotcha |
| 02:59.53 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | How would I lower the inode size from 256 to 128? |
| 03:00.01 | abrotman | when you create the filesystem |
| 03:00.17 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: You can't change the inode size of an existing filesystem |
| 03:00.43 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: Why do you want to decrease it? |
| 03:00.53 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | For Ext2IFS |
| 03:01.20 | Wyzard | That only supports 128-byte inodes? |
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| 03:01.34 | aFlag | is there something like gthumb that will display eps as well? |
| 03:01.55 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | says it only supports 128 |
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| 03:02.52 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | it appears tune2fs allows a new inode size to be set.. |
| 03:03.50 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: Well, you should be aware that 256 is the default these days because it improves performance with extended attributes, which more things are starting to use, and I've read that ext4 will benefit from them, though I don't remember the details |
| 03:04.27 | ermine | i have two questions ... 1. how do i enable restart/shutdown from the xfce4 menu? 2. how can i change the timezone for gdm? i have the correct timezone set up for my user but i think the system is using the wrong one. i use tzselect but that didn't seem to work |
| 03:04.45 | enouf | aFlag: does fltk do eps? |
| 03:04.49 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: The resize_inode flag that you see in tune2fs is for resizing the inode table to change the *number* of inodes, not the size of each |
| 03:05.01 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: That's for use when resizing filesystems |
| 03:05.25 | enouf | zeroconf (rendezvous, bonjour) -> avahi-daemon , ugh |
| 03:05.40 | Wyzard | ? |
| 03:05.53 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | =/ |
| 03:06.00 | Wyzard | zeroconf is Apple's implementation, but it's not DFSG-free |
| 03:06.02 | Wyzard | Avahi is |
| 03:06.04 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | so I guess I'll have to backup everything, reformat and place it all back =/ |
| 03:06.31 | Wyzard | yep |
| 03:06.47 | enouf | Wyzard: (IMNSHO) it all does the same mDNS shit - mess up network connections :-P |
| 03:06.59 | Wyzard | It works fine for me |
| 03:07.30 | aFlag | enouf: I only seem to have libfltk packages, what's the program's package name? |
| 03:08.19 | enouf | aFlag: i was thinking maybe http://www.ecademix.com/JohannesHofmann/flimsel.html , but i don't know about eps capabilitiy |
| 03:09.15 | enouf | eps sounds mighty proprietary to me - but whatever |
| 03:09.35 | enouf | encapsulate this! |
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| 03:10.07 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | hmm |
| 03:10.14 | Wyzard | EPS is just PostScript with some special comments to tell tools how to work with it |
| 03:10.17 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | what archive format preserves device files, permissions and owners? |
| 03:10.25 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: tar |
| 03:10.27 | enouf | Wyzard: maybe i just don't like the default avahi settings .. |
| 03:10.33 | aFlag | dunno, gnuplot generates eps and it's nice to use with latex |
| 03:10.45 | enouf | IOW, it's running, on a standard DE install |
| 03:11.03 | enouf | which tools? |
| 03:11.22 | mewshi | I don't have a keyboard available :( |
| 03:11.23 | enouf | encapsulate this tool! |
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| 03:12.09 | enouf | gnuplot won't generate plain ps? |
| 03:12.14 | Wyzard | enouf: things like publishing software |
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| 03:12.35 | aFlag | it does, gthumb won't open those as well |
| 03:12.48 | aFlag | anything that's capable of opening ps should be able to open eps |
| 03:12.49 | enouf | you mean MPoop and Adone publishing software? |
| 03:12.59 | enouf | adobe* |
| 03:13.16 | Wyzard | enouf: those, as well as things like LaTeX documents |
| 03:13.21 | enouf | aFlag: you're funny -- see kde then |
| 03:13.27 | Wyzard | enouf: and tools to rasterize PostScript to image files |
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| 03:13.38 | aFlag | yeah, I use eps for my latex documents |
| 03:13.44 | enouf | Wyzard: well, then maybe latex should have some tools to do what aFlag wants |
| 03:13.58 | Wyzard | enouf: A PostScript file is a program that executes drawing commands when it's run... what it draws, and how much of the paper it covers, is completely opaque to software working with the PostScript file |
| 03:14.14 | aFlag | latex doesn't have a image viewer like gthumb, dunno why it would |
| 03:14.31 | enouf | why does gthumb even work then aFlag ? |
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| 03:14.39 | Wyzard | enouf: EPS adds some header comments with information like the bounding box coordinates that the PostScript code promises not to draw outside of |
| 03:15.17 | Wyzard | enouf: so that other tools can figure out how to translate and scale the graphic so that it'll produce the right output |
| 03:15.27 | enouf | Wyzard: that's nice .. wonderful .. and mp4 allow me to save disk space |
| 03:15.35 | enouf | but thanks for the explanation |
| 03:15.42 | aFlag | thinks enouf is just a troll |
| 03:16.02 | enouf | thinks too many things suck ass - including some people |
| 03:16.10 | stoned | man |
| 03:16.17 | stoned | I am freaking glad that I wiped my irssi config |
| 03:16.23 | stoned | I just discovered split windows |
| 03:16.27 | enouf | did you flush? |
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| 03:16.29 | Wyzard | enouf: It's well-documented and a standard extension to PostScript, and it's literally just special comments -- hardly proprietary |
| 03:16.32 | stoned | http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssisplit <-- best fucking tutorial |
| 03:16.34 | stoned | dude |
| 03:16.51 | stoned | if you use irssi and don't use split window features, you are missing out on a shit ton of goodness |
| 03:16.54 | stoned | seriously |
| 03:17.07 | enouf | Wyzard: ok - well, if not proprietary, what's the problem with making a gtumb up aFlag 's ass? |
| 03:17.21 | Wyzard | I guess gthumb doesn't support PostScript |
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| 03:18.18 | aFlag | I think newer versions of gthumb support it, not the one on debian etch, though :( |
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| 03:22.50 | aFlag | gwenview supports eps :-) |
| 03:23.12 | stoned | hm |
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| 03:24.46 | wally1337 | what's the easiest way to route an internet connection thats attached to one eth card to another comp thats attached to another eth card |
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| 03:25.26 | ermine | how can i enable reboot/shutdown in xfce? i have this right now in sudoers -> ermine ALL=/usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper ... but it's wrong and i'm not sure why |
| 03:27.37 | mimcpher | Uh, ermine, I think it needs NOPASSWD to work with xfce? |
| 03:27.53 | mimcpher | ermine ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/xfsm-shutdown-helper |
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| 03:28.19 | ermine | ok i'll try that |
| 03:28.27 | ermine | do i need to logout for that to take effect? |
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| 03:28.54 | mimcpher | I don't know. Possibly, but you might just need to restart some xfce component. |
| 03:29.30 | ermine | ok |
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| 03:36.41 | dudeman | #debian,##hardware,#javascript,#css,#html,#codeigniter,#kde,#music,#php |
| 03:36.44 | dudeman | doh |
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| 03:37.19 | ermine | mimcpher, thanks that work |
| 03:37.28 | ermine | also anyone know how i can get automounting in xfce4? |
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| 03:39.08 | Lagbolt | ermine, thunar-vol-manager i think |
| 03:39.22 | Lagbolt | ermine, thunar-volman <-- install this |
| 03:39.53 | ermine | ok thanks |
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| 03:42.21 | wally1337 | if a card is eth1 and another eth1:3 what does this mean |
| 03:42.47 | Wyzard | wally1337: That's a deprecated way of assigning multiple IP addresses to a single network interface |
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| 03:43.06 | Wyzard | wally1337: They're known as "aliases" IIRC |
| 03:43.18 | wally1337 | wyzard: ahh i see... hmm |
| 03:43.41 | wally1337 | are there any guides for enabling a dhcp server on one network card? |
| 03:43.49 | Jazbo | hmmm I'm using irssi and when I hit alt+3 to see what dpkg has to say I just end up inputing a superscript "9". How can I see what dpkg said?? |
| 03:44.19 | Wyzard | wally1337: install dhcp3-server |
| 03:44.26 | Somni | er, deprecated? |
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| 03:44.31 | wally1337 | also.. i have two ethernet cards attached.. both pcmcia and they used to be both detected however now only one shows up with ifconfig |
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| 03:44.34 | Wyzard | wally1337: or maybe something more lightweight like dnsmasq, depending on your needs |
| 03:44.43 | Lagbolt | is there a nice link for instructions to share my wired connection via my wireless card? |
| 03:44.47 | Wyzard | Somni: Yes, these days you can just assign multiple addresses to eth1 |
| 03:44.49 | ueberhax | OMGF WUTS MAH NIGGAZ |
| 03:44.54 | ueberhax | WUTS UP WIF DIS LINUX SHIT |
| 03:45.00 | ueberhax | I HERD U LIKE NUDKIPZ LOL |
| 03:45.04 | ueberhax | I WANT ME SOME DEBIANS LOL |
| 03:45.12 | ueberhax | LOL AM I RYTE/ |
| 03:45.16 | ueberhax | no really i need install help |
| 03:45.17 | ueberhax | badly |
| 03:45.19 | Lagbolt | :) ueberhax get a date :) |
| 03:45.25 | ueberhax | I think I may have killed my RAM :( |
| 03:45.31 | ueberhax | WTF LAGBOLT FUK U |
| 03:45.44 | ueberhax | GET A LIFE URSELF LOL |
| 03:45.45 | Somni | Wyzard: really? how do you do that? |
| 03:45.58 | muddd | back away from the caffeine really |
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| 03:46.07 | Wyzard | Somni: I don't think you can do it with ifconfig (which is also deprecated, btw, or at least considered "legacy") |
| 03:46.11 | wally1337 | ueberhax: blow me |
| 03:46.13 | ueberhax | WTF I NEED MAH FUKIN COFFEE LOLOLOLOLO |
| 03:46.15 | Wyzard | Somni: "ip addr add ..." |
| 03:46.17 | Lagbolt | ueberhax, this is my life. and you are providing the entertainment. you are like an old court jester |
| 03:46.17 | ueberhax | BLOW ME PLOX LOLZ |
| 03:46.22 | ueberhax | I NEED A BLOWING AMIRYTE |
| 03:46.23 | Lagbolt | making a fool of yourself :) |
| 03:46.25 | muddd | ha |
| 03:46.27 | Lagbolt | its great |
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| 03:46.39 | ueberhax | UGH FUK U GUYS. |
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| 03:46.49 | wally1337 | wyzard: any idea why one ethernet card would have disappeared? |
| 03:46.50 | Lagbolt | lol i love it |
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| 03:47.02 | ermine | i installed thunar-volman but automounting isn't working and i have it selected in thunar |
| 03:47.21 | shyam_k | hi do you know whether lenny has started using uuid for grub or its still using confusing stuffs like /dev/sda or /dev/hda.. stuffs? |
| 03:47.22 | Lagbolt | ermine, what are you mounting? usb media? |
| 03:47.26 | Wyzard | wally1337: You're asking why you have no eth0? |
| 03:47.27 | Lagbolt | ermine, do they show up on the desktop? |
| 03:47.37 | ermine | Lagbolt, yup ... no it doesn't show up on the desktop |
| 03:47.46 | Wyzard | wally1337: Did you replace a NIC recently? |
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| 03:47.56 | muddd | at least he didnt get forcefully removed |
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| 03:48.13 | wally1337 | wyzard: yes :( no i didnt.. i just booted itup and it wasnt detecting eht0 |
| 03:48.20 | zok | How do you kill a process if "kill -9 pid" didn't work? |
| 03:48.25 | Wyzard | wally1337: Does the device show up in lspci? |
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| 03:48.44 | shyam_k | can anyone using the new lenny check for me? |
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| 03:48.55 | ermine | Lagbolt, do i need to be in some group maybe? |
| 03:49.01 | shyam_k | that is it having uuid in menu.lst? |
| 03:49.06 | wally1337 | wyzard: yes |
| 03:49.09 | wally1337 | it does |
| 03:49.11 | wally1337 | both do |
| 03:49.25 | Wyzard | wally1337: how about if you run "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 03:49.47 | zok | I can't seem to get this process stopped |
| 03:49.56 | zok | And I've run kill -9 as root |
| 03:50.06 | wally1337 | wyzard: wow.. it's there |
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| 03:50.21 | wally1337 | wyzard: was it not there because its not configured? |
| 03:50.21 | Wyzard | wally1337: so it just doesn't have an IP address |
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| 03:50.32 | Lagbolts | ermine, sorry disconnected |
| 03:50.35 | wally1337 | wyzard: tytytytytytty |
| 03:50.38 | Wyzard | wally1337: without the "-a" option, ifconfig doesn't show interfaces that are down |
| 03:50.38 | Lagbolts | ermine, did you get what i asked a sec ago? |
| 03:50.47 | ermine | Lagbolts, about icon showing up? |
| 03:50.54 | Lagbolts | ermine, if you do "lshal" does your usb device show up? can you pastebin output from dmesg after you plug in the usb device |
| 03:50.55 | Lagbolts | that |
| 03:50.58 | wally1337 | where did ueberhax go? iw as quite nejoying his ocmpany |
| 03:51.13 | ermine | bash: lshal: command not found |
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| 03:51.18 | ueberhax | HERE I AM LOLOLOLO |
| 03:51.24 | ermine | Lagbolts, that's as root |
| 03:51.29 | ueberhax | SUP DOODS |
| 03:51.33 | ueberhax | ROFFLES |
| 03:51.45 | dmoerner | !ops ueberhax |
| 03:51.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: dmoerner complains about: ueberhax |
| 03:51.55 | Lagbolt | no lshal? hmm |
| 03:51.56 | ueberhax | PSSSSH UR OVERREACTING LOL NOOB |
| 03:52.00 | ueberhax | I AM UEBER PWNR |
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| 03:52.08 | ueberhax | GET ON RUNESCAPE I'LL PWN UR ASS SO HARD |
| 03:52.13 | Lagbolt | ermine, do you have hal installed? |
| 03:52.17 | ueberhax | YOU'LL GET RAPED INTO NEXT CATURDAY |
| 03:52.24 | wthww_ | iI suggest a ban mask. |
| 03:52.26 | GhostlyDeath | pfft |
| 03:52.26 | ermine | Lagbolt, no |
| 03:52.30 | ermine | Lagbolt, maybe that's it? |
| 03:52.33 | Jazbo | If cdrecord is busted is there any way I can burn an iso to install debian? |
| 03:52.38 | GhostlyDeath | TF2 is better |
| 03:52.46 | ueberhax | YEAH RIGHT NIGGA |
| 03:52.53 | Lagbolt | ermine, yeah that is it lol you need hal for automouting in xfce i believe |
| 03:52.59 | ueberhax | RUNESCAPE IS THE BEST |
| 03:53.04 | ueberhax | THAT AND HABBOHOTEL BITCHES |
| 03:53.06 | ueberhax | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 03:53.06 | Lagbolt | ueberhax, sweet! you are back! let the jesting begin |
| 03:53.20 | ueberhax | Lagbolt: DO U HAS RS ACCNT? |
| 03:53.22 | ueberhax | LETS PWN |
| 03:53.28 | ermine | ok brb |
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| 03:53.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 03:53.56 | kgoetz | thanks Maulkin |
| 03:54.08 | Maulkin | Now from Indiana! |
| 03:54.11 | fignew | :) love the !ops command |
| 03:54.20 | Maulkin | (What's the time here, anyone know?) |
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| 03:54.29 | Lagbolt | Maulkin, time in indiana? |
| 03:54.29 | dmoerner | i think 10:54 pm |
| 03:54.33 | Lagbolt | 1153 |
| 03:54.44 | wally1337 | haha he got shown the door |
| 03:54.53 | wthww_ | Maulkin: What a coincidence. I'm in IN ;) |
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| 03:54.57 | wthww_ | What part are you in? |
| 03:55.05 | Maulkin | Indianopolis |
| 03:55.13 | wthww_ | Ah, Indy. |
| 03:55.14 | dmoerner | 1153 then |
| 03:55.19 | wthww_ | I'm in Terre Haute, myswlf. |
| 03:55.21 | Jazbo | So I guess I can't install debian... bummer... What should I use instead? Ubuntu? |
| 03:55.28 | Maulkin | I was in Chicago a couple of hours a go, so I have NO idea what time it is :P |
| 03:55.37 | Maulkin | sets watch |
| 03:55.50 | wthww_ | Maulkin: Do you live in Indy, or just traveling |
| 03:56.14 | Wyzard | Jazbo: Why can't you install Debian? |
| 03:56.25 | Lagbolt | Maulkin, chicago is 10:55pm |
| 03:56.54 | Maulkin | Hence my confusion. My body is at 04:56 :P |
| 03:57.18 | Jazbo | Can't burn a cd |
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| 03:57.36 | simonrvn | hd-media install requires no burning |
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| 03:58.05 | Jazbo | Why does configuring a cd burner have to be such a royal pain... |
| 03:58.32 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, how is it a pain? |
| 03:59.37 | dmoerner | Jazbo, my main machine has no usb or cdrom or floppy...but i still installed debian. if there's a will there's a way :) |
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| 04:00.11 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: cdrecord gives me errors. As far as google will tell me, I'm going to have to install some modules, mess with lilo... reboot... and then who knows if it will really work... |
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| 04:00.27 | Jazbo | dmoerner: yah I did a netboot once, that was even more of a pain |
| 04:00.31 | jaggz- | this program requires ESD.. but I'm using ALSA.. |
| 04:00.33 | simonrvn | installs his crap onto an old 80 gigger he was given |
| 04:00.44 | simonrvn | jaggz-: and? |
| 04:00.55 | jaggz- | can't find a doc on using ESD .. through ALSA? |
| 04:01.02 | simonrvn | *hint* pulseaudio-esd-compat |
| 04:01.16 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, you have the iso? what errors are you getting with cdrecord? |
| 04:01.16 | Wyzard | jaggz-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio |
| 04:01.24 | jaggz- | I'm at etch |
| 04:01.44 | Wyzard | etch has pulseaudio |
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| 04:02.41 | jaggz- | no pulseaudio-esd* |
| 04:02.50 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 04:02.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 04:02.54 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: something about "cannot open scsi driver" |
| 04:03.19 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: I have the iso |
| 04:03.20 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, do you have a scsi cdrom? |
| 04:03.34 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: I don't think so, how would I tell? |
| 04:04.01 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, well if you dont know you prob dont. you are using debian now right? |
| 04:04.03 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: isn't there something about ide scsi emulation? I think that's why cd burning is such a mess |
| 04:04.10 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: yeah |
| 04:04.23 | Lagbolt | scsi emulation, wow that is old stuff. are you on etch? |
| 04:04.23 | Wyzard | Jazbo: ide-scsi hasn't been needed for CD burning in several years |
| 04:04.37 | Jazbo | Wyzard: it's an old mish-mash of a system |
| 04:04.42 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 04:04.46 | simonrvn | so? |
| 04:04.57 | Wyzard | Jazbo: hardware doesn't matter; it's a software issue |
| 04:05.22 | Jazbo | Wyzard: I mean mish-mash of messed up package stuff |
| 04:05.38 | simonrvn | translation? |
| 04:05.48 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, can you mount usb? you could download a usb debian img and install on new system with debootstrap |
| 04:05.53 | Wyzard | Jazbo: and ide-scsi actually wasn't as much of a kluge as you might think -- ATAPI devices (e.g. all non-ancient CD drives) actually speak SCSI commands over the IDE interface |
| 04:06.09 | Wyzard | Jazbo: so ide-scsi just make up a virtual SCSI adapter to act as a passthrough |
| 04:06.20 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, you only have 1 cdrom in that? you could boot a liveCD of something newer and burn from there if you have another drive |
| 04:06.21 | Jazbo | Lagbolt: maybe that's a better idea. I think the comp I'm installing to can boot off usb media... |
| 04:07.42 | Jazbo | arg... it's really anoying too that the computer I'm using now has no mouse so navigating the debian page is a pain |
| 04:08.08 | dondelelcaro | Jazbo: use links |
| 04:08.23 | Jazbo | So for a usb boot do I want "hd-media" or "netboot" |
| 04:08.43 | Jazbo | Ah got it hd-media |
| 04:09.09 | dondelelcaro | Jazbo: the install guide covers it |
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| 04:09.19 | Jazbo | Sorry if I'm being whiny. I was hoping to have this done 7 hours ago... |
| 04:09.37 | dondelelcaro | (I suggest reading it; it's pretty concise) |
| 04:10.07 | simonrvn | lacking in some arches' details though :| |
| 04:10.40 | Lagbolt | Jazbo, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 04:12.47 | wally13377 | wyzard: on my debian box im constantly geting msges like this.. ill post in #flood |
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| 04:14.31 | wally13377 | wyzard: its posted in #flood |
| 04:14.55 | Wyzard | Those are messages from packets being blocked by iptables |
| 04:15.27 | wally13377 | argh thats annoying.. how do i stop iptables blocking everything? |
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| 04:16.24 | Wyzard | wally13377: What did you use to set up your firewall? |
| 04:16.38 | wally13377 | ipmasq... |
| 04:17.38 | Wyzard | Configure it to allow this traffic, or to silently drop it, whichever you prefer |
| 04:17.45 | Wyzard | rather than the default of dropping and logging it |
| 04:18.01 | wally13377 | where would the config file be |
| 04:18.04 | Wyzard | I don't have experience with ipmasq so I can't help with configuring it |
| 04:18.08 | simonrvn | defaults sometimes suck ;) |
| 04:18.47 | wally13377 | how do i uninstall it then.. this is really annoying |
| 04:18.48 | Wyzard | but the traffic is UDP broadcasts on eth1, which I'm guessing is your LAN, so it's probably something simple like samba advertising shares |
| 04:19.17 | Wyzard | Is this computer being used to share an Internet connection with your LAN? |
| 04:19.22 | simonrvn | doing broadcast... *sigh* |
| 04:19.22 | wally13377 | yes |
| 04:19.32 | wally13377 | please how can i uninstall ipmasq |
| 04:19.38 | Wyzard | simonrvn: That's how the protocol works |
| 04:19.40 | \amethyst | wally13377: has its ip address changed since ipmasq was last run? |
| 04:19.47 | wally13377 | probably |
| 04:19.58 | Wyzard | wally13377: uninstall the package... but you probably don't want to do that, because it's what sets up your connection sharing |
| 04:19.58 | \amethyst | wally13377: then do /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart |
| 04:20.05 | simonrvn | Wyzard: i know, that's why i sighed :) |
| 04:20.19 | \amethyst | wally13377: I find that I have to do that whenever my IP changes, or packets stop being filtered |
| 04:20.26 | \amethyst | wally13377: err, stop being forwarded |
| 04:20.28 | Wyzard | \amethyst: ipmasq has to be restarted when the public IP changes? |
| 04:20.29 | Wyzard | eww |
| 04:20.33 | mohadib | so that Rick Astley is pretty fucking bad ass no? |
| 04:20.52 | Wyzard | wally13377: Is eth1 your LAN or your Internet connection? |
| 04:20.56 | wally13377 | wyzard: do you use something different instead of ipmasq? |
| 04:21.02 | Wyzard | wally13377: I use FireHOL |
| 04:21.19 | wally13377 | I havent set it up at all.. i was following a guide and it said to install ipmasq |
| 04:21.27 | wally13377 | why cant it just be nice and clean like freebsd |
| 04:21.33 | Wyzard | which is more configurable, but does not magically make everything work as a router by default like ipmasq does |
| 04:21.43 | Wyzard | i.e. you have to configure it |
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| 04:22.34 | \amethyst | Wyzard: that's the whole point of ipmasq... you can set up iptables rules by hand if you want to do it that way |
| 04:22.35 | wally13377 | \amethyst: ive restarted the computer though.. |
| 04:22.39 | \amethyst | or edit the ipmasq scripts |
| 04:22.46 | \amethyst | wally13377: oh, then it has run, so that's not the problem :( |
| 04:22.47 | wally13377 | shouldnt it auto detect these things and not mess things up |
| 04:22.52 | Wyzard | \amethyst: I'm not criticizing ipmasq |
| 04:22.56 | wally13377 | I am |
| 04:23.10 | Wyzard | \amethyst: but if wally13377 would rather uninstall ipmasq than learn how to configure it to something other than the defaults, FireHOL is probably not for him |
| 04:23.30 | Wyzard | wally13377: You're criticizing ipmasq for what, not allowing samba traffic by default? |
| 04:23.37 | wally13377 | are there any guides or what? |
| 04:23.40 | Wyzard | wally13377: The messages aren't from ipmasq, they're from the kernel |
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| 04:23.54 | wally13377 | its also blocked apt-get from my australian mirror |
| 04:24.00 | wally13377 | so it's stuffed everything |
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| 04:24.07 | Wyzard | http://www.bbassett.net/ipmasq/manual/ |
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| 04:24.53 | jimisrvrox | Im having problems with iceweasal..tyring to do pagedown to scroll and I get this big cursor that seemingly has a mind of its own and I want to just be able to page down or do space bar w/o it having a retard moment. |
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| 04:25.24 | Wyzard | jimisrvrox: The arrow keys and pgup/pgdown are moving a cursor around rather than just scrolling? |
| 04:26.10 | wally13377 | wyzard: thanks but that link helps with nothing |
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| 04:26.57 | jimisrvrox | well I can press space bar all day but I get a page sized cursor but the minute I press page down it goes back up to the top of the page as though I pressed tab and want to tab through the links on the page |
| 04:27.12 | jimisrvrox | I just want to be able to press page down and have no problems like all of the other browsers out there |
| 04:27.19 | Wyzard | a page-sized cursor? |
| 04:27.21 | Wyzard | that's weird |
| 04:27.36 | Wyzard | I've recently noticed on my laptop that the arrow keys are moving a cursor around rather than scrolling, and I'm not sure why |
| 04:27.58 | Wyzard | I'm using a different browser from you (epiphany) but it's based on the same rendering engine |
| 04:28.19 | Wyzard | and it doesn't happen on my desktop, even though both are theoretically running the same software (up-to-date sid) |
| 04:28.32 | Wyzard | I haven't really looked into the problem though |
| 04:28.35 | \amethyst | Wyzard: are these keypad arrow keys? |
| 04:28.52 | Wyzard | no, the normal arrow keys |
| 04:29.08 | \amethyst | Wyzard: hm, because shift-numlock toggles that behaviour for the keypad |
| 04:29.09 | jimisrvrox | yeah I use epiphany too sometimes but I find that ice usually will load things up faster and I like the gui better |
| 04:29.18 | Wyzard | pgup/pgdn too, which is why I thought it might be related to jimisrvrox's problem |
| 04:29.23 | Wyzard | but my cursor isn't page-sized |
| 04:29.44 | jimisrvrox | arrow keys on mine do the same as pressing home or end |
| 04:30.47 | Wyzard | \amethyst: shift-numlock doesn't seem to make a difference for me (it just toggles numlock) |
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| 04:32.39 | Wyzard | wally13377: man ipmasq-rule |
| 04:33.23 | Wyzard | http://www.bbassett.net/ipmasq/#docs lists some manpages you might want to take a look at |
| 04:34.34 | intx | how is debian's selinux support in etch? |
| 04:35.22 | wally13377 | could anyone help me with that junk turning up at least? |
| 04:35.29 | wally13377 | so i can actually use the system |
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| 04:38.27 | Wyzard | wally13377: Did you look at the ipmasq-rule manpage? |
| 04:38.40 | wally13377 | wyzard: yes |
| 04:40.04 | wally13377 | i dont know how to do it |
| 04:40.34 | Wyzard | anyone here have experience configuring ipmasq? |
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| 04:41.25 | wally13377 | i might just use iptables |
| 04:41.26 | Wyzard | wally13377 is looking to configure it to allow or silently drop some UDP traffic on the LAN to avoid the log messages, but I don't have any experience with it |
| 04:41.41 | Wyzard | wally13377: ipmasq is just a frontend that generates iptables rules for you |
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| 04:42.26 | Wyzard | wally13377: and it's a little incongruous to say you're willing to figure out how to write your own iptables rules but not willing to learn how to configure ipmasq :-P |
| 04:42.54 | wally13377 | ive found a guide that tells you the iptables script |
| 04:43.11 | fistandandelus | hey guys, im a nub to linux, been using ubuntu for about 2 months now...and im getting the feeling that although buntu is debian based, it is nowhere near as stable as debian itself...ive been thinking of making the switch...anyone have any wisdom they can impart? |
| 04:43.17 | Wyzard | wally13377: Where is it? |
| 04:43.44 | wally13377 | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 04:43.54 | \amethyst | configuring ipmasq is mostly a matter of writing iptables rules, except you've got all kinds of shell variables available to you |
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| 04:44.01 | jimisrvrox | this stupid issue is just pissing me off by the second.. |
| 04:44.08 | wally13377 | fistandandelus: yeah.. install freebsd |
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| 04:45.00 | fistandandelus | whys that |
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| 04:45.25 | massmc | am I a traitor for saying that I formatted Debian and installed FreeBSD? |
| 04:45.57 | Agrajag- | no one cares |
| 04:46.02 | wally13377 | fistandandelus: much cleaner, more pure, standardised, makes more sense, stabler, more powerful |
| 04:46.20 | fistandandelus | more so that linux, or are we just talking about debian? |
| 04:46.31 | wally13377 | linux |
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| 04:46.33 | Wyzard | fistandandelus: I hear it cooks and does laundry for you too |
| 04:46.36 | massmc | Agrajag-, I wanted some advice chump.. didnt come here to make you angry |
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| 04:46.44 | fistandandelus | jajaja |
| 04:47.02 | wally13377 | it doesnt do it for you.. its just better. Simple |
| 04:47.20 | fistandandelus | now take in mind that im a nub, and am already intimidated by debian (cant get the damned wireless working), would freebsd be even more difficult? |
| 04:47.32 | wally13377 | check the hardware support |
| 04:47.49 | wally13377 | fistandandelus: try gentoo, its got great documentation |
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| 04:48.01 | Wyzard | wally13377: That script gives you a basic masquerading firewall, which will work, but doesn't take any safety measures like blocking malformed packets or flood protection |
| 04:48.26 | Agrajag- | massmc: not sure where you got the idea i was angry |
| 04:48.37 | Wyzard | wally13377: It also doesn't load the kernel modules needed to make certain protocols work correctly, such as non-passive FTP and IRC DCC |
| 04:48.43 | wally13377 | wyzard: yes perhaps but it is not worse than a windows box connected directlyto the internet is it? |
| 04:48.58 | wally13377 | wyzard: uhh I see. |
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| 04:49.44 | fistandandelus | i understand, i heard gentoo was a great choice, ive just been having alot of trouble with the live cd |
| 04:49.55 | Wyzard | wally13377: It looks like ipmasq rules are basically just mini-scripts containing iptables commands, except that you use variables like $IPTABLES rather than running /sbin/iptables explicitly |
| 04:50.10 | wally13377 | wyzard: cool |
| 04:50.11 | Wyzard | wally13377: so you could just write an ipmasq rule to allow that traffic |
| 04:50.16 | simonrvn | gentoo is OT here |
| 04:50.38 | Wyzard | wally13377: (that's based on just looking at the ipmasq-rule manpage, btw) |
| 04:50.50 | wally13377 | fistandandelus: whats wrong with the live cd? there was a bug iin one of the recent ones.. try the newest |
| 04:51.08 | wally13377 | ok how would I uninstall ipmasq? |
| 04:51.49 | Wyzard | wally13377: As I said earlier, uninstall the ipmasq package |
| 04:52.11 | wally13377 | im not familiar with apt-get.. do I just use it? |
| 04:52.11 | Wyzard | wally13377: and then have your routing break until you reinvent it by hand with that script you found |
| 04:52.17 | fistandandelus | i downloaded the latest one, installed it (tried it twice) set up my user accounts (within the installer) andd when it came time to boot up the system after install, i couldnt log in...it just wouldnt accept my login/pass both times |
| 04:52.43 | Wyzard | wally13377: don't forget to set it up as an initscript so it runs at boot time |
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| 04:53.10 | wally13377 | fistandandelus: thats probally capslock on or soemthing |
| 04:54.08 | fistandandelus | tried it a whole bunch of times, with all combinations possible, i though maybe i got my passwords mixed up so i set root and user to the same...i mean i may be a nub, but im not *that* bad |
| 04:54.29 | fistandandelus | i dont know |
| 04:54.35 | fistandandelus | ill try again tommorow |
| 04:54.41 | wally13377 | ask in #gentoo |
| 04:54.45 | fistandandelus | ok |
| 04:54.46 | fistandandelus | thanks |
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| 04:56.32 | Wyzard | wally13377: looks like what you need to do is write an iptables rule to either allow or drop your broadcast traffic, using $MASQMETHOD as the command and $INTERNAL as the interface name, and put it in a .rul file in /etc/ipmasq/rules |
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| 04:57.47 | dihymo | ok i'm getting invalid shell /bin/false from proftpd |
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| 04:58.02 | Wyzard | wally13377: so it'll be something like: $MASQMETHOD -i $INTERNAL -p tcp --dport 137 -j DROP |
| 04:58.19 | Wyzard | wally13377: oops, make that "-p udp", not "-p tcp" |
| 04:58.48 | Wyzard | wally13377: and the port number should be whatever port the traffic is on; I'm guessing 137 (a samba-related port) since you didn't include the port number when you pasted the message in #flood earlier |
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| 04:59.54 | Wyzard | wally13377: actually, I think I misread the meaning of $MASQMETHOD... use $IPTABLES instead |
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| 05:05.15 | Sem_nick | alguem ai estuda JAVA? |
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| 05:07.55 | Wyzard | !br |
| 05:07.55 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:08.25 | Sem_nick | [Wyzard]: tanks!!! :D |
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| 05:12.19 | dudeman | hey! |
| 05:12.21 | dudeman | dudes |
| 05:12.23 | dudeman | whats up |
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| 05:12.52 | dudeman | Wyzard, enouf, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi.jpg |
| 05:12.53 | dudeman | Wyzard, enouf, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi.jpg |
| 05:12.54 | dudeman | doh |
| 05:13.01 | dudeman | sorry arrow key |
| 05:13.18 | dudeman | hey check this out guys, I reconfigured my irssi after I done wiped the config by accident |
| 05:13.46 | dudeman | now I also need to get a good resource on debian backup software. I'd like to back up my settings through a backup software, gui, and not rsync or tar |
| 05:13.49 | dudeman | any help? |
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| 05:22.05 | L-Emo | www.averagejoesofficiel.skyblog.com and www.l3-baraki-d-msn.skyblog.com |
| 05:22.10 | L-Emo | www.averagejoesofficiel.skyblog.com and www.l3-baraki-d-msn.skyblog.com |
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| 05:23.19 | wally13377 | wyzard: ty |
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| 05:26.07 | simonrvn | ffs, goddamned spammer |
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| 05:36.02 | dudeman | hm |
| 05:36.03 | dudeman | that sucks |
| 05:36.06 | dudeman | simonrvn, whats up man |
| 05:36.14 | dudeman | simonrvn, ya digg'in me eh ;) |
| 05:36.22 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:36.26 | dudeman | word |
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| 05:46.10 | dudeman | window_level PUBLICS ACTIONS |
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| 05:49.32 | dudeman | what bout this? |
| 05:49.34 | dudeman | oh wrong channel |
| 05:49.35 | dudeman | goddamit |
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| 05:55.07 | f00li5h | what do people use for software faxes? and is there one that does voicemail too? |
| 05:56.22 | Supaplex | hylafax (landline), asterisk (voip) |
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| 05:57.11 | f00li5h | Supaplex: will they play nice together? |
| 05:57.34 | Supaplex | I have them running on the same box, but they're not sharing the same phone number |
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| 05:58.06 | Supaplex | voip and faxing don't play well together. the jitter you'll find in voip murders faxing. |
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| 05:58.29 | Wyzard | Fax over VOIP would be pretty silly anyway |
| 05:58.40 | f00li5h | no, i don't want to send faxes over voip |
| 05:58.46 | Supaplex | there's fax over ip for that |
| 05:58.48 | f00li5h | i want to receive faxes on the same line that i have an answer machine on |
| 05:59.03 | f00li5h | much in the same way this retarded broter fax machine does (aparently) |
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| 06:08.46 | sdstrowes | Hi. Question: How long does it usually take for a package to proceed from experimental into testing? |
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| 06:10.08 | Supaplex | sdstrowes: it'll have to be ready for sid first |
| 06:10.13 | Supaplex | !experimental |
| 06:10.13 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 06:10.53 | sdstrowes | Absolutely; I'm more curious on how normally a package takes to proceed once it's in sid. |
| 06:10.54 | Supaplex | sdstrowes: and dpkg isn't blowing smoke. i've hosed at least one box with experimental packages before. (good thing it was a test box) |
| 06:11.13 | Supaplex | check out the developer reference. all the criteria is there. |
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| 06:11.28 | sdstrowes | Okay, thanks! |
| 06:11.29 | Supaplex | the package maintainer will know why that release is held in experimental |
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| 06:16.25 | wally13377 | whats the esasiest way to mount a usb stick on debian? |
| 06:16.51 | Supaplex | !pmount |
| 06:16.51 | dpkg | from memory, pmount is "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 06:17.39 | CoolCold | hey guys, who knows about backported kernels? |
| 06:17.41 | Supaplex | there's another few ways too, but I'm the, dispise popup annoying window type, so I run pmount/pumount/eject from the commandline. |
| 06:17.46 | CoolCold | i can see 2.6.26 bpo with openvz |
| 06:18.02 | CoolCold | but openvz supports 2.6.18/2.6.24 only |
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| 06:18.32 | wally13377 | supaplex: i dont have pmount nor internet on that box |
| 06:18.55 | Supaplex | then cat /proc/mounts and mount it manually. |
| 06:19.22 | Supaplex | i'm off to bed. the gray matter need it's nightly -HUP. |
| 06:19.37 | simonrvn | ni'night |
| 06:19.42 | wally13377 | night |
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| 06:20.11 | critenLPY | when apt-get -f remove doesn't work... what do you do? |
| 06:21.03 | wally13377 | can anyone help with mounting a usb disk |
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| 06:21.28 | fischer | hey ... why when i m in gui root i m able to see my other ntfs drives and when in user mode it says u dont have permission.. and that without instaling ntfs-3g |
| 06:21.49 | fischer | meaning i m able to mount them without using ntfs-3g |
| 06:21.58 | simonrvn | man mount; /user |
| 06:23.12 | critenLPY | this upgrade to lenny has gone all wrong... cups & cupsys are both installed, but conflict, so apt ain't happy :( |
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| 06:23.56 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 06:24.05 | man_in_ltop | anyone know of a guide for connecting bluetooth hid devices automagically? |
| 06:24.09 | fischer | see this simonrvn http://pastebin.com/d1cb16b6d |
| 06:25.03 | simonrvn | critenLPY: remove cupsys |
| 06:25.26 | critenLPY | I can't, not even with apt-get -f remove |
| 06:25.28 | simonrvn | ...of course you'd see that from the version... |
| 06:25.32 | critenLPY | so back to the original question |
| 06:25.33 | simonrvn | versions* |
| 06:25.35 | critenLPY | when apt-get -f remove doesn't work... what do you do? |
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| 06:26.25 | ikevin_ | morning |
| 06:26.59 | ikevin_ | anyone know how can i make a package ready for configuration by dpkg? |
| 06:27.37 | ikevin_ | i an error like this: package libpam-modules is not ready for configuration ; unable to configure (current state « triggers-awaited ») (sorry for the translation) |
| 06:27.38 | critenLPY | I know |
| 06:27.38 | critenLPY | cry :( |
| 06:28.01 | ikevin_ | lol |
| 06:28.48 | simonrvn | critenLPY: simonrvn> critenLPY: remove cupsys simonrvn> ...of course you'd see that from the versions... |
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| 06:29.23 | critenLPY | oh |
| 06:29.26 | critenLPY | aptitude is saving the day :D |
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| 06:31.05 | dihymo | how do i create a jail that just rejects cd .. without filling the home dirs with copies of /bin /etc and so on |
| 06:31.42 | critenLPY | .... perhaps jail isn't the solution you seek |
| 06:31.52 | critenLPY | checkout /etc/login.conf |
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| 06:33.41 | man_in_ltop | ok, i think i got it |
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| 06:42.06 | dihymo | critenLPY: no such file on linux it seems |
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| 06:46.53 | wally13377 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111972 |
| 06:47.24 | wally13377 | this guide.. for the external ip in masquerading.sh would i just put dhcp if i have a dynamic ip? |
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| 06:55.58 | wally13377 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.29 | fengor | wrong layout? |
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| 07:01.07 | critenLPY | mmm |
| 07:01.13 | critenLPY | dpkg -r --force-all :D |
| 07:01.13 | dpkg | removes --force-all :D along with a pound of flesh from critenlpy's body, then staples critenlpy back up with a staple gun. |
| 07:02.00 | critenLPY | your bot is retarded :( |
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| 07:05.44 | Usiu | Which debian iso is for Xeon ? |
| 07:05.47 | Usiu | ia64 or amd64 ? |
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| 07:06.33 | Usiu | Which debian iso is for Xeon ? |
| 07:06.34 | superlinux | i just want to test my webcam using skype with some one, plz? |
| 07:06.34 | Usiu | ia64 or amd64 ? |
| 07:06.41 | superlinux | non |
| 07:06.49 | superlinux | Usiu, non of them |
| 07:06.56 | superlinux | get the i686 |
| 07:06.56 | Usiu | superlinux: then which one? |
| 07:07.03 | Usiu | superlinux: Oh |
| 07:07.13 | superlinux | Xeon is a 32 bit CPU |
| 07:07.38 | superlinux | Usiu, can u skype me plz.? |
| 07:07.48 | superlinux | i jsut want to test my webcam |
| 07:07.50 | Usiu | sorry bussy |
| 07:07.54 | dudeman | hey whats up |
| 07:07.57 | Usiu | have to go tu school |
| 07:08.00 | superlinux | dudeman, hi |
| 07:08.06 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:08.06 | dudeman | f0rked, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi_div.jpg |
| 07:08.09 | dudeman | doh |
| 07:08.15 | dudeman | check this out http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi_div.jpg |
| 07:08.25 | dudeman | what hapepend is that I deleted my ~/.irssi/config |
| 07:08.26 | dudeman | on accident |
| 07:08.41 | dudeman | and I'm glad I did cuz now I can totally cuztomize it from scratch again and i learnd about split windows |
| 07:08.44 | dudeman | its beautiful |
| 07:08.49 | dudeman | omg I'm in love with irssi all over again |
| 07:09.00 | dudeman | check this out http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi_div_2.jpg |
| 07:09.11 | dudeman | see how it looks in two shots, totally awsomely splitted |
| 07:09.37 | superlinux | dudeman, iam looking |
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| 07:10.35 | superlinux | dudeman, aha |
| 07:10.44 | superlinux | good on yea |
| 07:10.58 | dudeman | :) |
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| 07:10.59 | superlinux | dudeman, can u skype me? |
| 07:11.06 | dudeman | I don't use skype |
| 07:11.09 | superlinux | i want totest my camera |
| 07:11.11 | dudeman | after they robbed my |
| 07:11.24 | dudeman | took my money and never gave me credits |
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| 07:11.42 | dudeman | I bitched and moaned and nothing.. so I called my CC company and told em I got frauded and I'm not paying skype nothing |
| 07:11.54 | superlinux | i never use skype with money |
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| 07:12.02 | dudeman | I need to make cheap calls to pakistan |
| 07:12.03 | dudeman | :) |
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| 07:12.14 | superlinux | well |
| 07:12.22 | superlinux | where do u live? |
| 07:12.26 | dudeman | new york |
| 07:12.26 | superlinux | US? |
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| 07:12.44 | superlinux | aint there any overseas phone cards? |
| 07:13.20 | dudeman | ugh |
| 07:13.23 | dudeman | phone cards suck. |
| 07:13.31 | superlinux | well .. |
| 07:13.37 | dudeman | and I don't have a landline |
| 07:13.38 | dudeman | only cell |
| 07:13.38 | trnzmeta | guys: question on bash colours, when I first login the shell doesn't have the dir colours etc.. however when I sudo bash or just bash |
| 07:13.42 | dudeman | and takes minutes |
| 07:13.42 | superlinux | use your mobile every month |
| 07:13.45 | trnzmeta | it comes up with the colours |
| 07:13.47 | dudeman | actually #defocus |
| 07:13.50 | dudeman | chat there |
| 07:13.51 | superlinux | i live in Australia like that |
| 07:13.53 | dudeman | here is offtopic |
| 07:13.55 | dudeman | !ot |
| 07:13.55 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 07:13.56 | trnzmeta | is there anyway to enable this when first logging in |
| 07:14.08 | dudeman | trnzmeta, yes |
| 07:14.13 | trnzmeta | damn austrians |
| 07:14.16 | dudeman | trnzmeta, nano ~/.bashrc |
| 07:14.24 | dudeman | trnzmeta, stop. |
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| 07:14.51 | lolzors | hello |
| 07:14.59 | superlinux | lolzors, hi |
| 07:15.06 | dudeman | trnzmeta, in that file |
| 07:15.12 | dudeman | trnzmeta, you will see an alias for ls |
| 07:15.22 | superlinux | trnzmeta, this means that the default shell is not really bash |
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| 07:15.42 | trnzmeta | gotcha |
| 07:15.43 | dudeman | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.47 | dudeman | modify it so that it looks like this |
| 07:16.09 | superlinux | dudeman, it's true what you said.. but lethiom check the default shell |
| 07:16.12 | dudeman | its probably on color-auto and you probably don't have proper xterm settings |
| 07:16.16 | dudeman | superlinux, debian |
| 07:16.20 | dudeman | default shell is always bash. |
| 07:16.26 | dudeman | unless HE changed it |
| 07:16.27 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:16.30 | superlinux | true |
| 07:16.34 | trnzmeta | no standard install |
| 07:16.41 | superlinux | good |
| 07:16.54 | superlinux | then follow dudeman |
| 07:16.56 | dudeman | trnzmeta, type this ls --color=always / |
| 07:17.01 | dudeman | see if you can see the colors |
| 07:17.45 | dudeman | hey |
| 07:17.51 | dudeman | look I got a new screenshot |
| 07:17.57 | superlinux | ok |
| 07:18.01 | superlinux | show us |
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| 07:18.23 | superlinux | brb for prayers. ramadan kareem on all |
| 07:18.39 | trnzmeta | dudeman: yes to the cli command |
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| 07:19.42 | dudeman | ok |
| 07:19.46 | dudeman | I changed to nice blueish colo |
| 07:20.03 | trnzmeta | however changing via .bashrc and loggin out and in |
| 07:20.08 | trnzmeta | doesn't change colours etc... |
| 07:20.47 | dudeman | ok |
| 07:20.50 | dudeman | no problem |
| 07:20.58 | dudeman | what does your ls alias in .bashrc look like now |
| 07:21.13 | dudeman | you didn't have to relogin, simply source ~/.bashrc |
| 07:21.24 | dudeman | loads the file/settings again |
| 07:21.43 | dudeman | trnzmeta, superlinux, http://youfuck.mypets.ws/irssi.jpg |
| 07:22.12 | trnzmeta | if [ "$TERM" != "dumb" ]; then |
| 07:22.12 | trnzmeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.12 | trnzmeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.37 | dudeman | ok |
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| 07:22.42 | dudeman | no color so far? |
| 07:23.01 | trnzmeta | anyways.... such a small but annoying thing, I mainly use gentoo |
| 07:23.16 | dudeman | take that alias out of the if condition |
| 07:23.16 | dudeman | put it outside the conditional construct |
| 07:23.16 | trnzmeta | and run it outright |
| 07:23.24 | dudeman | just make a alias for ls to say that |
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| 07:23.31 | dudeman | right now its doing conditional shit |
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| 07:23.39 | dudeman | if term is not equal to dumb do this |
| 07:23.47 | dudeman | you want it to do it regardless I don't understand this crap either |
| 07:23.51 | dudeman | just see if that works |
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| 07:24.05 | dudeman | put this alias at the end of your .bashrc and source ~/.bashrc |
| 07:26.28 | trnzmeta | your ~/.bashrc should override etc/skel and all else right? |
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| 07:28.04 | euphonicfusion | hi |
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| 07:41.56 | knoppi | I managed to install xen 3 and created an image with etch base system I also installed Xorg but I am having problem to startx it fails saying can't started on tty0 I changed to startx --:1 same |
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| 07:51.33 | tmroly | hi |
| 07:51.43 | tmroly | how do i search for packages in the debian repositories ? |
| 07:51.49 | tmroly | what command |
| 07:52.11 | lolzors_ | sudo apt-cache search |
| 07:52.27 | simonrvn | no need for sudo... |
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| 07:52.52 | lolzors_ | yes there is if you want to run it as root |
| 07:53.08 | Lagbolt | why would you want apt-cache search to run as root? |
| 07:53.13 | simonrvn | there's no point to running that as root... |
| 07:53.29 | lolzors_ | maybe but I always do that anyway |
| 07:53.34 | lolzors_ | just for fun |
| 07:54.03 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 07:54.04 | Lagbolt | yeah the fun of typing extra stuff! tap tap tap tap enter |
| 07:55.06 | tmroly | im so amazed with the speed and stability of debian amd64 ... i just tested it for 2 days and it runs gnome/iceweasel/gaim etc but i never had to wait for anything to fire up, its faster than fluxbox ... all instant |
| 07:55.30 | tmroly | i wonder how fluxbox would be... open apps before you think of them? |
| 07:55.50 | tmroly | for example i tried ubuntu 8.04, its a slow crap compared to debian... |
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| 07:56.25 | tmroly | just happy i found the OS i needed :P |
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| 07:56.59 | Lagbolt | tmroly, :) |
| 07:57.21 | sts | hello folks. how can i force dpkg to print the full name of packages when i'm searching for a set of packages like dpkg -l python* |
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| 07:58.32 | streuner | !listvals colums |
| 07:58.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'colums' by value (1): dselect oopsie. |
| 07:58.38 | streuner | hm |
| 08:00.02 | Lagbolt | sts, dpkg --get-selections is pretty |
| 08:00.15 | simonrvn | COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l |
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| 08:00.43 | streuner | simonrvn: yep, typo |
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| 08:01.13 | streuner | !listvals COLUMNS |
| 08:01.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'COLUMNS' by value (12): #debian honorable mention ;; ars technica ;; purge them all ;; list all packages ;; zsh prompt ;; atmel usb devices ;; installed packages ;; reinstall everything ;; mysql utf8 ;; sql ;; apl ;; reinstall. |
| 08:01.32 | streuner | hm, thats better |
| 08:01.35 | doudou | Hi, my usb card reader never saw when i plug a new sdcard, i must unplug the crad reader and then it sees the sdcard, how can i do that without unpluging the usb card reader? |
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| 08:09.11 | doudou | channel does not work? |
| 08:09.34 | doudou | what is mode +l 834 |
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| 08:12.17 | joltcan | doudou: The limit of number of users in the channel |
| 08:12.30 | sts | simonrvn: thank you |
| 08:12.37 | joltcan | doudou: it help to mitegate joinfloods |
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| 08:13.35 | doudou | joltcan, as a suspicious person i supposed i was censored ... |
| 08:14.58 | tmroly | can anyone sugest me a nice and modern-looking and featured webmail solution for postfix ? |
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| 08:16.19 | ronr | hi, I run sudo over ldap and now a new user can't sudo, but it's not the usual 'not in the sudoers file' error but a new one saying <user> can't execute apt-get as root on <hostname>, where do I look (it's a fresh install testing machine) |
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| 08:20.20 | jescis | what ip address do I put into my httpd.conf file, my computers ip or the static one that can be viewed at ip-lookup.net? |
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| 08:25.36 | anilg | how do i tell debian/rules to build only a few of the packages that are listed in debian/control? |
| 08:25.49 | anilg | not all the .debs.. but only a subset |
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| 08:30.40 | TShik | Hi, Interest in Computers? Go to: http://exesoftware.blogspot.com |
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| 08:31.24 | larstr | hi.. Using lenny. Where can I find kernel headers for 2.6.24-1? Neither linux-headers or kernel-headers exists and apt-cache search 2.6.24 reveals nothing relevant either.... |
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| 08:32.27 | larstr | hmm... should I use 2.6.22 instead? headers are present there |
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| 08:34.43 | larstr | what will be the default kernel when 5.0 is out? it chose 2.6.24 by default here. |
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| 08:35.31 | ronr | how can it be possible that dig <host> gives an ip and ping <host> (the same of course) says unknown host |
| 08:36.32 | joltcan | ronr: Because a hostname is not answer by the host itself, it is answered by a dns server |
| 08:37.03 | joltcan | ronr: It doesn't have anything to do with if the hostname is connected to the IP or not (especially not if the IP is dynamic) |
| 08:38.09 | ronr | joltcan: the dns server does give me the right IP and ping should check the same dns server as dig without specific arguments right? |
| 08:38.39 | ronr | I can ping the ip the dns server returns |
| 08:38.46 | joltcan | ronr: Well, ping probably tries to resolv the hostname reverse, and that doesn't have to exist |
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| 08:39.58 | ronr | joltcan: what do you mean, the weirdest thing is that everything was working ok yesterday and is working ok for 10+ other hosts in, afaics, the same setup |
| 08:40.14 | tmroly | whats the command to change root password for mysql |
| 08:41.11 | tmroly | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 08:41.49 | joltcan | tmroly: man mysqladmin and look for password |
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| 08:43.03 | larstr | hmm... 2.6.26 is what they plan for 5.0... it has header files and stuff too |
| 08:43.24 | tmroly | i cant |
| 08:43.28 | tmroly | i cant set a pass |
| 08:43.37 | tmroly | mysqladmin doesnt let root log to mysql |
| 08:44.08 | tmroly | acces denied for any user |
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| 08:44.48 | climb65 | boot with grub : Hi, I'm not able to boot in rw mode anymore. The kernel always switches to ro. |
| 08:45.38 | climb65 | manually, I can boot in init 1, then remount / in rw. But If I reboot the machine, it comes back in ro!!! |
| 08:46.05 | joltcan | tmroly: If you have lost the password for root then you need to do some other stuff. I think it is best if you google for mysql and reset root password |
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| 08:48.34 | ronr | joltcan: found it, someone ****ed up the dns server and now there were three similar records making sure everything stopped working |
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| 08:50.26 | mrAZ | my pc stops booting after starting hald, just sits there. i found similar problem, but no solution. any hints appreciated ! |
| 08:51.47 | mrAZ | it happens after i patched 2.6.26 with realtime. on other pc i patched, network card stops working after a while. is there any known issue with realtime patches ? |
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| 08:53.48 | petemc | mrAZ: sounds like you've found 2 right there |
| 08:55.52 | mrAZ | i'd like meet somebody who uses rt1 on testing, and see the kernel .conf first |
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| 08:56.53 | mrAZ | actualy, i have 3th pc where the same configuration, same distro, same patch runns perfectly |
| 08:56.56 | michael__ | Hi. I'm going to compile a new kernel for my debian 4.0. How can I get the current configuration if /proc/config.gz ist deactivated? |
| 08:57.28 | petemc | mrAZ: /boot/config-foo |
| 08:57.34 | petemc | michael__: ^^ |
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| 09:02.40 | michael__ | thanks petemc |
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| 09:04.24 | joltcan | ronr: a, a bugger to find of course |
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| 09:10.34 | ronr | joltcan: yeah, you don't really expect records for foo in an ldap directory somewhere under bar :) |
| 09:10.36 | lkni | hi what's the most flexible acl solution for filesystems in linux where one can work with groups in groups and users in groups etc for a shared filesystem with a complex acl structure? |
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| 09:11.31 | zu22 | lkni: try #openafs |
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| 09:12.04 | lkni | zu22: tnx |
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| 09:14.47 | ladan | hello, i found how to copy multiple source files to one destination, but is it posible to cp 1 file to multiple destinations ? |
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| 09:26.57 | greymaus | hello? |
| 09:27.20 | greymaus | I have debian installed in a USB HD |
| 09:27.30 | greymaus | not booting properly |
| 09:28.33 | greymaus | is there a CD that will boot a basic system (Slackware has one) and will allow running of the system on the USB-HD? |
| 09:28.37 | milligan_ | Could you be a bit more spesific? |
| 09:28.50 | milligan_ | boot any livecd and just chroot your system. |
| 09:29.14 | greymaus | will try that now, Ta |
| 09:29.29 | greymaus | is there a debian live cd? |
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| 09:31.10 | AbsintheSyringe | greymaus, debian-live.alioth.debian.org |
| 09:31.31 | greymaus | ta |
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| 09:34.36 | ShredZ | Can I force unmount a samba share that has i/o issues ? |
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| 09:37.49 | dudeman | hey |
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| 09:38.10 | dudeman | I installed the emacs-goodies-el package but the documentation in the package doesn't say how to use the el files |
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| 10:03.08 | llinear | is it a bad idea to use a URI string as a filename? |
| 10:04.22 | avu | llinear, if it's a complete URI, it's n ot bad but impossible (because URIs usually contain slashes, which are one of the two characters illegal in filenames) |
| 10:04.52 | jelly | s/characters/byte/ |
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| 10:07.02 | llinear | avu: no way around that? |
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| 10:07.16 | avu | llinear, no |
| 10:07.20 | dudeman | hi |
| 10:07.45 | dudeman | I can't seem to find the package that provides xrdb |
| 10:07.58 | dudeman | I'm on lenny and I've install xorg package, what else do I need? |
| 10:08.10 | avu | dudeman, apt-file can help you |
| 10:08.17 | avu | dudeman, or packages.debian.org |
| 10:08.57 | dudeman | ahh xbase-clients |
| 10:09.19 | llinear | avu: what about if you urlencode it? |
| 10:09.36 | avu | llinear, it will still contain slashes? |
| 10:09.53 | avu | llinear, sure, you can do any kind of string substitution that will replace slashes with anything else |
| 10:10.04 | pogay | petemc: my exim virtual domains still don't run correctly, but thanks to 7et |
| 10:10.47 | dudeman | avu, thanks |
| 10:11.15 | pogay | petemc: /etc/alias I cound *redefine* mail: alltagsw@alltagswaerme.ch |
| 10:12.35 | pogay | it's a workarround, until the virtual domains work... |
| 10:16.22 | llinear | avu: but then something like http://www.google.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fyahoo.com becomes http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%252F%252Fyahoo.com |
| 10:16.39 | llinear | which is wrong |
| 10:16.50 | avu | llinear, your point being? |
| 10:17.39 | llinear | this kind of substitution wouldn't help getting past the slash |
| 10:17.58 | jelly | llinear: why not? you just got kid of slashes. |
| 10:18.03 | avu | yes it would. there are no slashes in what you pasted as the result. |
| 10:18.40 | llinear | how do you make the difference between and actual slash in the url or a previously encoded slash |
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| 10:19.17 | jelly | %2F urlencodes into %252F |
| 10:19.36 | jelly | no information loss |
| 10:20.39 | llinear | ok, any opinion on why not do that? |
| 10:20.56 | jelly | why wouldn't you? |
| 10:21.15 | llinear | never seen anyone do that |
| 10:21.32 | jelly | so? |
| 10:21.51 | llinear | i m thinking there must be a reason that i do not see |
| 10:22.02 | jelly | llinear: there is not |
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| 10:23.37 | jelly | llinear: is there a special reason you want to save that information in the filename, instead of a separate database, an associated array that would link your urls with any kind of filenames you could think of? |
| 10:24.24 | llinear | 2 heap search vs 1 |
| 10:24.58 | llinear | in the case of "associated array that would link your urls with any kind of filenames" |
| 10:25.18 | jelly | nope, ext3 w/ dir_index directory entries are in a btree :-) |
| 10:26.04 | avu | and hashmap lookups usually are O(1) |
| 10:26.19 | jelly | if you have to look up thousands or millions of files per second, you'll have to rethink your data model anyway |
| 10:26.20 | avu | at least on average |
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| 10:26.45 | jelly | and if you look up less than 5 per second, you don't need to optimize anything |
| 10:26.59 | llinear | hmm, that s good input |
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| 10:29.17 | llinear | you have to store your data somewhere |
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| 10:31.30 | jelly | wwwoffle has filenames of constant size and they look like base64 encoded checksums of some sort |
| 10:32.24 | jelly | /var/cache/wwwoffle/http/youtube.com/UFk+w0nsqsvZqs5Q7j7LiwA |
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| 10:33.45 | jelly | there's an U* file containing the request URL, and a D* file with the server's response |
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| 10:36.40 | jelly | tho it can't be standard base64, as it uses "/" |
| 10:38.17 | jelly | oh, rfc3548 also specifies a filename-friendly alphabet for base64 |
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| 10:39.40 | llinear | i m sure it wouldn't be a valid POSIX filename either |
| 10:39.57 | ronr | hi, I run sudo over ldap and now a new user can't sudo, but it's not the usual 'not in the sudoers file' error but a new one saying <user> can't execute '/usr/bin/apt-get' as root on <hostname>, where do I look (it's a fresh install testing machine) |
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| 10:43.00 | tralala | ronr, is <user> actually allowed to execute apt-get on <hostname>? |
| 10:43.48 | ronr | tralala: yes he is |
| 10:43.52 | rdz | hi all. is there a certain way to check, if a port is free, before starting a daemon? |
| 10:44.18 | ronr | tralala: at least, should be, he's in the sudo group that has apt-get sudo rights and hosts is set to ALL |
| 10:44.42 | tralala | ronr, can you paste the relevant sudoers line? |
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| 10:45.19 | quentusrex | Does any have a decent understanding of the GPL liscence? |
| 10:46.22 | OpenTokix | quentusrex: You can do anything you want, if you publish you have to publish your source code also. |
| 10:46.34 | OpenTokix | quentusrex: the supercondense-version |
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| 10:46.41 | quentusrex | I am curious about the commercial applications. |
| 10:46.45 | wols | OpenTokix: bullshit |
| 10:47.04 | wols | quentusrex: ask a rela, debian related question |
| 10:47.08 | wols | *real |
| 10:47.15 | ronr | tralala: it's a ldap directory, apt-get is under sudoCommand, sudoHost is ALL and sudoUser %ch (the user is a member of the group ch) |
| 10:47.19 | quentusrex | Can a company build a server with Debian, and include a non-free proprietary software to help in the support of the server? |
| 10:47.29 | quentusrex | And not have to publish the source of their support package? |
| 10:47.37 | tralala | quentusrex, you can do commercial apps as long as you provide your sources under gpl |
| 10:48.00 | ronr | tralala: I'm having him try it on a different machine now (where other users can succesfully sudo) to determine if it's a local problem or an account problem |
| 10:48.05 | OpenTokix | quentusrex: Depends if you use the underlaying system |
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| 10:48.10 | quentusrex | Is there a way to do it without providing the source to a single non-free package? |
| 10:48.32 | Nathariel | Hi all. I had to upgrade the libc6 libraries and during the update the util-linux and tzdata were removed. Now I need to revert this, but libc6 doesn't let me to install tzdata. Is there a way to do it ? |
| 10:48.38 | OpenTokix | quentusrex: if you have that kind of question. I think a lawyer would be your best bet. |
| 10:48.44 | quentusrex | Provide the source for all of the system except a small portion? |
| 10:48.46 | vizzy | hi, is there a tool like vmstat in debian rescue mode? when using dd this would be very interesting..., any other solution to watch disk io? |
| 10:48.47 | OpenTokix | quentusrex: to be sure |
| 10:48.56 | wols | Nathariel: why did you have to update libc6? |
| 10:49.15 | tralala | quentusrex, you need a lawyer as OpenTokix says. |
| 10:49.22 | Nathariel | because of mysql-proxy which resides in the testing rep |
| 10:49.37 | wols | Nathariel: you run etch and upgraded to libc6 frmn testing? |
| 10:49.40 | Trewas | quentusrex: debian itself distributes non-free / closed-source programs (though somebody will nitpick whether non-free is part of debian), so closed source apps are certainly possible |
| 10:49.50 | quentusrex | yes, but is there an already known way to do it? ok |
| 10:49.57 | quentusrex | that's what I needed to know |
| 10:50.09 | wols | quentusrex: yes,l ust do it. Suse did it for years (Yast was non free) |
| 10:50.33 | Nathariel | wols, i was in hurry and didn't pay attention. I noticed what I have done after the 'getopt' turned out missing... |
| 10:50.50 | OpenTokix | wols: suse don't have as strict policy on free software as debian. So thats not really on the point. |
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| 10:51.08 | a-s | hello |
| 10:51.11 | wols | Nathariel: now you broke your debian. have fun |
| 10:51.15 | tralala | Nathariel, you can't just change libc6 to testing. Downgrade it asap if you still can. |
| 10:51.21 | Trewas | OpenTokix: users of debian do not have to care about DFSG |
| 10:51.30 | wols | OpenTokix: irrelevant. but: how is this all a debian support question? |
| 10:51.32 | a-s | ouf! finally I succeed to connect myself here. |
| 10:51.36 | mans | hey guys, i just run apt-get upgrade and one process is "in the air" it's just waiting there for like 20 mins... what to do? kill proces manualy or wait some more ? |
| 10:51.40 | quentusrex | wols, and by non-free you mean closed source? |
| 10:51.45 | a-s | I am ermanently banned from the ome computer. why? |
| 10:51.52 | wols | quentusrex: I mean I don't see the debian relevance |
| 10:51.58 | a-s | the home computer |
| 10:52.09 | a-s | I have never connected myself from home |
| 10:52.09 | vizzy | a-s, installed a firewall? then the firewall works fine |
| 10:52.23 | wols | a-s: someone else usung your ISP ,might have |
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| 10:52.31 | vizzy | how can i watch disk io not using vmstat? |
| 10:52.39 | Nathariel | tralala, thats what I am asking. Is there a way to downgrade it without reinstall. It's a xen dom x and it's not a big pain but anyways, I am just curious. |
| 10:52.59 | tralala | Nathariel, I don't know - try it |
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| 10:53.18 | wols | !downgrade |
| 10:53.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 10:54.04 | rdz | hi all. how is it possible to manage multiple instances of the same daemon with start-stop-daemon? |
| 10:54.47 | rdz | i am using the /etc/init.d/skeleton as a base, but if i start several daemons (each on its own port) and i stop one of them, always all are stopped |
| 10:54.48 | a-s | vizzy: I have no iptables, no firewall |
| 10:54.55 | ronr | tralala: the problem was solved when the user logged into X again :S |
| 10:56.04 | a-s | when I run / join #debian, I get the message "You are banned from this channel" |
| 10:56.04 | a-s | or something so |
| 10:56.04 | a-s | impossible. I have no iptables |
| 10:56.07 | a-s | I use a cmda modem from home, and it is connected directly on the sattelite |
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| 10:56.38 | vizzy | wtf? |
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| 10:57.08 | tralala | ronr, did you just add the user to the sudo group? In that case it was needed to logout/login. |
| 10:58.34 | ronr | tralala: I think the user was there already but I can't be 100% sure, as others have been helping him out getting everything set as well |
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| 10:59.49 | tralala | ronr, anyway it doesn't matter anymore |
| 10:59.52 | a-s` | so nobody can unblock me please? |
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| 11:00.41 | ronr | tralala: nope, thx for the help btw |
| 11:00.58 | tralala | sure |
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| 11:04.28 | Farhadix | hi guys, how i can extract an Iso image to an usb flash and make it bootable? |
| 11:04.51 | Akuw | i want to make some test with php files in /var/www |
| 11:05.04 | Akuw | so, i create a dir /var/www/test |
| 11:05.08 | tralala | Farhadix, /msg dpkg usb install |
| 11:05.26 | Akuw | and sudo chown user test |
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| 11:05.57 | Akuw | so now i can create folders in test and create files |
| 11:06.09 | Akuw | is that ok? no security risk? |
| 11:07.56 | Akuw | well, tha computers are in a classroom |
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| 11:12.00 | rdz | how can i make start-stop-daemon kill only the process with the specified pid, but not ALL processes with the name? |
| 11:12.35 | micols | anyone compiled html2text with utf8 support? i still cannot get it to parse certain urls i get those strange signs in output still |
| 11:13.20 | micols | rdz: that's normally not its task, it kills by service name |
| 11:13.35 | micols | actually it runs their init scripts iirc. |
| 11:13.42 | micols | so that will be by name reference |
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| 11:14.39 | rdz | micols, so i cannot run multiple instances of the same service and manage them separately? |
| 11:14.41 | micols | but you can make your own S99killpid script, just add a kill -9 pid 2&1>/dev/null into a template |
| 11:14.54 | micols | in /etc/init.d and symlink from rc2.d to it |
| 11:15.03 | rdz | micols, ok.. thanks. that is what i am going to do. |
| 11:15.21 | Farhadix | tnx |
| 11:16.19 | micols | rdz: i think not. normally all with the name is restarted |
| 11:16.30 | rdz | micols, do you happen to know, whether i can check, if a certain tcp port is in use? |
| 11:16.32 | micols | oh btw.. dont kill -9 your services :) |
| 11:16.44 | micols | first kill it, then sleep 2, then -9 :) |
| 11:16.46 | rdz | micols, yeah.. thanks. i won't |
| 11:17.41 | rdz | micols, the idea would: check if port is free, then start the process. exit with 1 and don't start process, if the port is not free |
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| 11:20.37 | micols | normally 0 exit is success |
| 11:21.11 | micols | at least in C, forgot how it works with bash :) |
| 11:21.13 | rdz | micols, yeah, that is why i would want to exit with 1, if the port is already in use and the daemon cannot be starte |
| 11:21.14 | EugenMayer | is it not possible to debug with the JRE? iam trying to debug the XSL processor under eclipse and get, that my JRE is not supporting this |
| 11:22.07 | micols | rdz: yes that would work |
| 11:22.24 | rdz | micols, but how can i check, if a port is in use? |
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| 11:24.18 | micols | rdz: cat /proc/net/tcp |
| 11:24.26 | micols | don't rely on lsof or netstat |
| 11:24.58 | rdz | micols, thanks a lot |
| 11:25.21 | micols | you need to convert from hex btw :) |
| 11:25.46 | rdz | micols, do you have a hint on how to do that? |
| 11:26.16 | micols | nah, probably easier parsing netstat as its on most unix systems, just grep for your :port |
| 11:26.28 | micols | that other thing will be in #bash :) |
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| 11:27.14 | rdz | micols, thanks |
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| 11:30.41 | JackScott | I have a machine with a Gigabyte DS3-P35 motherboard, E2180 CPU and 2 gigs of RAM. I'm trying to install Stable v4.0r4a. I have two identical (Seagate 80GB sata) drives that are connected to a (rebadged) jmicron controller. When I go to partition disks, it only picks up one. The BIOS sees both. The controller is in IDE mode. |
| 11:30.44 | JackScott | Any ideas? |
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| 11:40.53 | dirkson | Hey all. Roughly how many packages are in Debian stable? |
| 11:41.47 | defrysk | very |
| 11:42.35 | dirkson | Perhaps slightly less roughly? |
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| 11:43.18 | Kumool | hmm about 3dvds |
| 11:43.31 | Kumool | you do the math :) |
| 11:44.21 | defrysk | vista rescue has 2 dvd's |
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| 11:44.26 | defrysk | god knows why |
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| 11:53.44 | HolyTux | m |
| 11:54.04 | HolyTux | maybe for containing all the warning boxes and messages before you can click a button |
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| 11:54.50 | ronr | dirkson: about 23000 currently in testing (according to my dselect) |
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| 11:55.52 | dirkson | ronr: Awesome. Thanks! |
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| 11:58.12 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 11:58.44 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 23342 packages, 1943 maintainers, 60649 MB installed size, 21285 MB compressed size. |
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| 11:59.52 | jelly | I wonder how much is the largest possible installed subest |
| 12:00.11 | abrotman | well .. you could force the packages and get them all :) |
| 12:00.16 | ma3x | hello why when i launch kde it gets stuck at: initializing services (i already see the screen of kde) |
| 12:00.22 | jelly | no cheats, without forcing! |
| 12:00.23 | abrotman | with really bad side effects .. but oh well |
| 12:00.48 | abrotman | jelly: might be more fun to try to get one package from each maintainer :) |
| 12:01.03 | jelly | !dstats potato |
| 12:01.20 | jelly | teehee: <dpkg> Debian(iS): internal error. |
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| 12:01.33 | jelly | !dstats experimental |
| 12:01.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on experimental... 1723 packages, 202 maintainers, 10146 MB installed size, 3565 MB compressed size. |
| 12:02.01 | jelly | or try installing _only_ experimental! |
| 12:02.02 | abrotman | yeah .. the bot doesn't reference the archives AFAIK |
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| 12:02.13 | ma3x | (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xd0000000,0x770000) |
| 12:02.15 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 12:02.22 | abrotman | it's the write-combining |
| 12:02.34 | ma3x | what's wrong with it? |
| 12:03.03 | jelly | ma3x: it usually means a part of the range overlaps with an existing MTRR setting |
| 12:03.05 | ma3x | i got soft cpu lockup and i had to shut it down the hard way |
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| 12:03.27 | jelly | ma3x: are you using kernel framebuffer? Try disabling it. |
| 12:04.04 | jelly | !nofb |
| 12:04.04 | dpkg | Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer. |
| 12:04.19 | ma3x | jelly i use vga=791 |
| 12:04.25 | jelly | don't. |
| 12:04.36 | ma3x | and you think it will work? |
| 12:04.38 | ma3x | let me try |
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| 12:40.04 | jim_p | hello |
| 12:40.14 | wally1337 | tits |
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| 12:41.30 | FreakGuard | I've got a debian in a vm... doesn't work bad, but apt-get update wants to connect to webcace:3128 on my host machine - what's that? |
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| 12:41.59 | AlexW | hello, who has some experience with pure-ftpd |
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| 12:47.09 | abrotman | AlexW: you can ask here or the pureftpd channel |
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| 12:48.56 | abrotman | FreakGuard: look at your sources.list |
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| 12:51.18 | FreakGuard | abrotman, nothing like that in there |
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| 12:51.53 | AlexW | Well basically, I want to setup an upload account for ftp for a friend, i'm using adduser name etc. |
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| 12:52.08 | AlexW | the only issue is i can't disable his login, because then ftp doesnt authenticate |
| 12:52.18 | AlexW | is there a way to enable ftp login but disable shell :P |
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| 12:52.53 | wols | AlexW: yes. est the shell to /bin/false for this user |
| 12:52.56 | ignotus | hello, what do I need to "apt-get install" in order to have "man pthread_create"? I have manpages and manpages-dev installed. |
| 12:53.14 | abrotman | FreakGuard: an ISP http proxy? |
| 12:53.16 | AlexW | if i set it to bin/false |
| 12:53.24 | AlexW | it still fails authentication |
| 12:53.35 | FreakGuard | abrotman, no |
| 12:53.36 | AlexW | thats what i don't get, :S cause this worked fine on ubuntu |
| 12:53.38 | abrotman | did you add /bin/false to /etc/shells ? |
| 12:53.42 | AlexW | nope |
| 12:53.48 | HawkeV | you need to do that |
| 12:53.51 | AlexW | should i :P |
| 12:53.57 | abrotman | FreakGuard: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 12:53.59 | wols | ignotus: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pthread_create&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 12:54.16 | ignotus | wols: checking |
| 12:54.40 | FreakGuard | abrotman, no |
| 12:54.58 | abrotman | FreakGuard: paste your sources.list and apt.preferences in a pastebin |
| 12:55.07 | ignotus | wols: superb, thanks! |
| 12:55.14 | defrysk | http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/ |
| 12:55.18 | AlexW | abrotman/HawkeV: thanks |
| 12:55.22 | tmroly | is there a way to nicely update gnome , X and kernel in debian 4r4 ? |
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| 12:56.04 | tmroly | to a more recent version |
| 12:56.04 | tmroly | eg gnome 2.22 |
| 12:56.04 | FreakGuard | abrotman, where should the second one be? |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | tmroly: you can only go to lenny |
| 12:56.04 | wols | tmroly: no |
| 12:56.04 | abrotman | FreakGuard: if ti's not there .. not a big deal |
| 12:56.04 | HawkeV | offtopic, but, defrysk: http://mos.techradar.com/classifications/computing/internet-and-broadband/images/google-chrome-screenshot-728-75.jpg |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | tmroly: but even lenny only partially has .22 |
| 12:56.05 | jelly | tmroly: there is a 2.6.24 kernel in stable. |
| 12:56.05 | FreakGuard | abrotman, apt.conf.d <-- there are some |
| 12:56.05 | wols | tmroly: kernel is easy with etchnhalf, rest isn't |
| 12:56.06 | defrysk | HawkeV, pasted it the wrong room, sorry |
| 12:56.14 | abrotman | FreakGuard: paste them |
| 12:56.24 | HawkeV | np, was funny actually, since i was /just/ looking at the chrome screenshots |
| 12:56.27 | tmroly | wols : i can update to a stable, officialy-supported 2.6.24 kernel ? |
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| 12:56.37 | tmroly | and stay with old x and old gnome |
| 12:56.42 | tmroly | versions |
| 12:56.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:56.54 | FreakGuard | abrotman, tell me a possibility to nopaste from an new-installed debian-edu without nopaste or X. |
| 12:56.57 | wols | tmroly: yes |
| 12:57.00 | abrotman | !pastebinpipe |
| 12:57.01 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 12:57.29 | tmroly | wols : i do that by adding etch and a half repository in my sources.list ? |
| 12:57.33 | tmroly | and then apt-get update |
| 12:57.34 | tmroly | and then what |
| 12:57.43 | wols | !tell tmroly about etchnhalf |
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| 12:58.20 | abrotman | tmroly: you alrady have it .. apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 12:58.48 | FreakGuard | abrotman, Connection to webcache|10.0.2.2|:3128 failed: Connection refused. |
| 12:58.51 | fireba11 | abrotman: there isn't any more to it is there ? |
| 12:59.09 | FreakGuard | abrotman, wget doesn't work... links does |
| 12:59.54 | abrotman | FreakGuard: there's a proxy there somewhere |
| 13:00.22 | abrotman | fireba11: not if your sources are up to date |
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| 13:00.26 | cire | I have a wordlist, and now want to get all words with length=3. How would you do that? |
| 13:00.55 | tmroly | but its a good idea if i want to, also grab kernel 2.6.27 when its out and run it good on etch? |
| 13:01.04 | abrotman | cire: are you asking us to do your homework ? |
| 13:01.12 | cire | homework? no. |
| 13:01.16 | abrotman | ask #bash |
| 13:01.23 | abrotman | !bashfaq |
| 13:01.23 | dpkg | well, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 13:01.25 | fireba11 | abrotman: thanks .. might need to use it soemwhere :-) |
| 13:01.27 | abrotman | might have an answer |
| 13:01.31 | cire | thanks for the hint. |
| 13:01.40 | wols | tmroly: not a good idea |
| 13:01.46 | FreakGuard | abrotman, env tells me the same... how to kick them? :) |
| 13:01.46 | tmroly | wols : why ? |
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| 13:01.56 | tmroly | not a good idea to run vanilla on debian? |
| 13:02.08 | wols | tmroly: cause there won't be such a kernel for etch, ever. not to mention: why do you need exactly this kernel? |
| 13:02.23 | tmroly | because i feel good on latest software |
| 13:02.34 | tmroly | and because i dont have anything else to do |
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| 13:02.58 | petemc | tmroly: you can run any kernel you want - you'll have trouble getting support from some people in here tho |
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| 13:03.31 | abrotman | trouble? |
| 13:03.34 | tmroly | ok , its a good enough reason to not update then |
| 13:03.44 | tmroly | since i know its not officialy supported to run vanilla |
| 13:03.51 | tmroly | then i wont |
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| 13:04.08 | petemc | abrotman: ? |
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| 13:04.15 | tmroly | i run debian amd64 atm and i have never used something so incredibly fast and stable in several years of testing OSs |
| 13:04.45 | abrotman | petemc: joke |
| 13:04.50 | petemc | ah :) |
| 13:05.02 | tmroly | my gnome is instant-edition |
| 13:05.05 | wols | tmroly: all OSes suck. ALL of the, no exceptions. this includes debian |
| 13:05.34 | jelly | wols: they suck in different ways! |
| 13:05.36 | tmroly | wols : i've gave a though to that as well.. all OSs , all software sucks... until i heavily used debian recently, wich i have YET to confirm it sucks |
| 13:05.36 | OpenTokix | wols: And the cup is half empty! |
| 13:05.38 | FreakGuard | abrotman, where are these settings? |
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| 13:06.07 | abrotman | FreakGuard: try `set | grep -i http` or `env | grep -i http` .. see if anything comes out |
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| 13:06.20 | tmroly | i mean i use gnome/iceweasel/flash/gaim/rhytmbox and stuff, and EVERYTHING is fucking instant its faster than fluxbox or whatever u think of |
| 13:06.23 | tmroly | its instant |
| 13:06.25 | tmroly | and stable |
| 13:06.33 | FreakGuard | abrotman, env put ftp and http-proxy - deleted them and now it works :) |
| 13:06.49 | abrotman | FreakGuard: i'd be concerned about what put them there .. see if happens again at a later date |
| 13:07.14 | tmroly | sometimes nautilus craps out but few times it has happened.. 2 or 3 |
| 13:07.23 | tmroly | when i was installing gtk themes |
| 13:07.24 | FreakGuard | abrotman, that's a skolelinux server I'm testing... no idea, actually |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | grumbles |
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| 13:08.59 | shahri | hi, I'm trying to get compiz working |
| 13:09.05 | tmroly | compare that to ubuntu (tried x64 lately).. after a night of downloading something, the desktop became mostly unusable... firefox needed 10 sec to start, and nautilus barely moved after a few sec. obviously needing a pc reboot... compare that to debian wich CANT even try to get close to that, its instant all the time im sure |
| 13:09.07 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d3c1999e2 is what I get |
| 13:09.34 | shahri | afterwards the screen turns black and a few seconds later I get to the xdm login screen |
| 13:09.47 | shahri | and when I login there's still openbox |
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| 13:09.50 | a-s | so, please, can somebody unban me from home? |
| 13:10.00 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 13:10.02 | shahri | do I need a desktop environment or so to use compiz? |
| 13:10.12 | tmroly | btw why cant i use IRC from home ? |
| 13:10.16 | nios_ | I have just change to debian and wonder about a good mediaplayer for hd movies? |
| 13:10.19 | tmroly | could my ISP block IRC ? |
| 13:10.24 | abrotman | twa |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:10.36 | shahri | I mean, I don't need an desktop environment when using openbox |
| 13:10.36 | FreakGuard | shahri, compiz is a window manager - no need for a DE |
| 13:10.39 | FreakGuard | nios_, mplayer |
| 13:10.42 | shahri | yeah |
| 13:10.47 | shahri | why doesn't it work then? :/ |
| 13:10.51 | FreakGuard | shahri, it's recommended to use une :) |
| 13:10.55 | abrotman | a-s: do what? |
| 13:11.05 | shahri | mh well, I don't need an entire DE |
| 13:11.11 | shahri | just a panel |
| 13:11.15 | FreakGuard | shahri, pypanel should do it |
| 13:11.20 | shahri | (I'm using the xfce4-panel right now) |
| 13:11.33 | shahri | yeah, but FreakGuard I'm not looking for another panel I'm trying to get compiz working |
| 13:11.39 | FreakGuard | shahri, that's not bad either |
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| 13:11.43 | nios_ | ok. so mplayer doesent compress the movies lika vlc do |
| 13:11.50 | FreakGuard | shahri, check (h)top |
| 13:11.54 | a-s | abrotman: I am banned at home to connect on #debian |
| 13:11.55 | a-s | ! |
| 13:12.03 | abrotman | who banned you? |
| 13:12.04 | petemc | nios_: vlc compresses movies? since when? |
| 13:12.06 | shahri | mh for what? |
| 13:12.10 | FreakGuard | a-s, that's got a reason :P |
| 13:12.18 | a-s | and I do not know why! I have never connected on #debian from home |
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| 13:12.51 | a-s | when I write / join #debian, I get the message "You are banned!" |
| 13:12.55 | jelly | petemc: since forever? it can output to various media, including a stream server or a file |
| 13:12.57 | abrotman | you just joined? |
| 13:13.08 | a-s | I am not at home now |
| 13:13.09 | shahri | for what should I check top? |
| 13:13.11 | asmarin | squeezy is now testing? |
| 13:13.12 | nios_ | i heard that vlc use their own format to compile files |
| 13:13.21 | nios_ | movies |
| 13:13.22 | abrotman | asmarin: not even close .. lenny is testing |
| 13:13.28 | petemc | jelly: i knew that, i interpretted that statement differently |
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| 13:13.32 | abrotman | a-s: i'd need a nick or hostname or something usable |
| 13:13.42 | asmarin | when is planned lenny become stable? |
| 13:13.44 | jelly | petemc: ah, and you were probably right |
| 13:13.55 | abrotman | asmarin: when it's ready |
| 13:13.58 | jelly | !tell asmarin -about wwlr |
| 13:13.59 | stew | asmarin: whenever it free of release critical bugs |
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| 13:14.37 | asmarin | jelly: thanks for information |
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| 13:15.09 | shahri | fooor what should I checkt top? |
| 13:15.33 | a-s | abrotman: the nickname is a-s. the host I do not know, because at every time when I restart the computer, I get from the provider another IP! |
| 13:15.59 | a-s | I use at home a CDMA modem |
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| 13:17.47 | a-s | tomorrow I can give you my ip, but it'll change ! |
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| 13:18.27 | mrAZ | how do i get xmms-jack plugin when i am on testing ? |
| 13:19.11 | wols | install it from stable or backport it frm sid |
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| 13:21.29 | Trewas | xmms isn't in debian anymore (testing/unstable) |
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| 13:22.02 | CyBeRmIrC | !lista |
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| 13:22.17 | mrAZ | wols: thx, from stable it makes dependency problems, where do i find addres for sid backports ? |
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| 13:23.19 | wols | xmms is not in debian anymore frm lenny onwards IIRC |
| 13:23.29 | wols | mrAZ: what kind of dependency problems? |
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| 13:25.01 | mrAZ | wols: xmms-jack: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but ... |
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| 13:25.17 | mk_ | hi all |
| 13:25.52 | wols | info libglib1.2 lenny |
| 13:25.55 | wols | !info libglib1.2 lenny |
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| 13:26.20 | macsim`work | hi, is it normal slapd listen on localhost only ? |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | you can change that |
| 13:26.54 | macsim`work | abrotman, where ? |
| 13:27.11 | mbroeker | macsim`work, /etc/default/slapd i think |
| 13:27.22 | macsim`work | abrotman, I watch on /etc/default/slapd nothing about that |
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| 13:27.46 | mrAZ | dpkg does not know libglib1.2 lenny |
| 13:28.01 | macsim`work | abrotman, slapd normally serves ldap only on all TCP-ports 389. <= /etc/default/slapd |
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| 13:28.28 | Trewas | mrAZ: audacious is probably the closest alternative to xmms, but its 1.5.x versions are unfortunately quite buggy |
| 13:28.52 | abrotman | and starts way slower than xmms1 |
| 13:29.10 | mrAZ | Trewas: true, buggy. |
| 13:29.57 | mrAZ | abrotman: takes ages to start |
| 13:30.07 | abrotman | compared to xmms1 .. yes |
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| 13:30.58 | mrAZ | well, i can't find useable line for my sources.list for sid backports |
| 13:31.49 | petemc | sid backports? |
| 13:31.55 | petemc | there is no such thing |
| 13:31.56 | mrAZ | perhaps there will be even vlc-jack plugin ;) ... looking further |
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| 13:32.58 | mrAZ | ... 03:19PM <wols> install it from stable or backport it frm sid |
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| 13:33.28 | petemc | mrAZ: sid is the target you're backporting FROM, not TO |
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| 13:34.05 | amphi | mrAZ: you need to build the sid src package |
| 13:34.07 | mrAZ | yes, i am on testing, thought there is xmms-jack backport already |
| 13:35.38 | mrAZ | i have installed xmm-jack on other pc, testing, don't see the sources atm, but it works fine |
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| 13:38.44 | amphi | xmms is deprecated, I thought |
| 13:39.25 | wols | it is |
| 13:40.13 | OpenTokix | for some god unkown reason |
| 13:40.17 | OpenTokix | xmms1 rules =) |
| 13:41.01 | OBcecado | audacity > * |
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| 13:41.35 | Trewas | too bad the xmms upstream never bothered to upgrade it to gtk2, and went to some completely different route for xmms2 |
| 13:41.36 | mrAZ | audacity is not player |
| 13:41.46 | OpenTokix | Trewas: yes |
| 13:42.07 | avu | I think he meant audacious, not audacity |
| 13:42.12 | OpenTokix | Trewas: I just asked the dev why =) |
| 13:42.20 | OBcecado | sorry audacious is what i wanted to write |
| 13:43.44 | mrAZ | we had here audacious already |
| 13:44.04 | mrAZ | is xmms2 way better ? or just different ? |
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| 13:45.15 | Trewas | completely different philosophy than xmms/old winamp |
| 13:45.21 | kommodore | xmms2 is not better, if you ask me |
| 13:45.22 | mrAZ | does it have some interface ? |
| 13:45.39 | OpenTokix | Trewas: http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~knuta/xmms/ |
| 13:45.46 | abrotman | Trewas: hey .. if you want to .. go for it :) |
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| 13:49.16 | Trewas | abrotman: xmms forks have not fared very well, and with upstream not caring it would be an uphill battle :) |
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| 13:50.28 | Nirkus | is there a less minimal package containing more generally usefull packages than the minimal system? |
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| 13:50.59 | petemc | Nirkus: theres a 'standard' task package |
| 13:50.59 | rvsjoen | anyone know what "log_end_msg" is ? in debian I think its a part of lsb-base but its not a binary or a script. is it debian-specific or can you get it for all distros ? |
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| 13:53.23 | Nirkus | petemc: yeah, but tasksel wont offer it to me and i cant find a matching virtual package searching for debian, task or standard |
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| 13:54.16 | abrotman | Nirkus: aptitude install "~pstandard" |
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| 14:01.00 | LjL | my Epson RX500 USB scanner used to work (on testing), but doesn't anymore, and i've lost track of which changes may have occurred. sane-find-scanner lists it, scanimage -L does not. it used to need the epkowa driver, although i think recently it worked with the epson driver, too. i'm thinking the disappearance of any usb device from /dev/usb (only "lp0" is left), and the appearance of /dev/usbdev* instead, might perhaps be related. |
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| 14:01.36 | streuner | does ilohamail work with apache2? |
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| 14:02.25 | Nirkus | abrotman: ah, searching for priority 'standard'. thanks! |
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| 14:02.35 | Grunt | I'd like to upgrade to Lenny.. is there another action than changing "stable" by "lenny" in sources.list? |
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| 14:02.52 | abrotman | Grunt: not really .. if you have backports you may want to remove them first |
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| 14:03.00 | abrotman | Grunt: the whole process hasn't been defined yet AFAIK |
| 14:03.01 | streuner | !etch->lennyy |
| 14:03.08 | streuner | !etch->lenny |
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| 14:04.12 | MuH4hA | Hi! I want to execute a script after gnome startet, but I can't find the file ~/gnome2/session-manager. Am I supposed to create it? Is there an example on the net? Unfortunately I can't do it with the gui... |
| 14:05.29 | up365 | http://www.debian.org/News/project/2008/10/ |
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| 14:06.05 | tralala | Grunt, when I upgraded a couple of weeks ago things broke rather badly, so unless you know your way around the package management system you better stick to etch |
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| 14:07.32 | tralala | MuH4hA, gnome has a UI for this task. Find out about it in the docs or in #gnome |
| 14:08.02 | n8ature | hello, i woke up this morning to find that my debian etch server had rebooted itself sometime last night. It just did the same thing on me a few minutes ago. I don't really know my way around the logs yet, what is the best place to find information on why it is crashing? |
| 14:08.23 | MuH4hA | tralala: ok - I'll go to #gnome then... thank you :) |
| 14:08.36 | tralala | MuH4hA, you're welcome |
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| 14:09.45 | peterrooney | n8ature: not to be particularly nitpicky, but perhaps to ask why it is rebooting instead of crashing? no sense chasing down a problem different from the one you're facing. |
| 14:10.25 | peterrooney | n8ature: you might try enabling bootlog (off by default, IIRC) |
| 14:10.46 | n8ature | peterrooney: well, i am assuming it crashed and restarted - not actually rebooted.. |
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| 14:11.51 | tralala | n8ature, anyway the logs are the only place that might contain a clue: /var/log/syslog |
| 14:11.59 | peterrooney | n8ature: enable bootlogd for starters. /var/log/syslog to begin |
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| 14:12.32 | n8ature | syslog.. ok.. and how to enable bootlog? |
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| 14:13.21 | peterrooney | n8ature: edit /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 14:13.42 | aFlag | hi, does anyone know if dell wireless 1395 (802.11a/g) miniPC card works on debian? |
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| 14:14.03 | n8ature | ok thanks, appreciate the help |
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| 14:15.25 | Paul_UK | hi all, with etch. whats the best vncserver to use vncserver or vnc4server? I cant find a /etc/sysconfig/vncservers or any start/stop script or service, like there is with redhat. thanks |
| 14:16.57 | wols | aFlag: what wlan chip? |
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| 14:22.43 | aFlag | wols: hm, dunno, it's a vostro notebook 1310 |
| 14:22.53 | aFlag | maybe I should call there and ask |
| 14:23.18 | aFlag | I wish they gave me the option of not buying windows vista :-( |
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| 14:23.49 | tralala | aFlag, you had the option of not buying this laptop |
| 14:24.03 | mousepfds | hi, how do you install kde4 on lenny? ive tried the backport way.. didnt work, i have kdm up and runningn now but it doenst detect any kde4 on my system |
| 14:24.04 | HawkeV | aFlag: the reason vostros are so cheap is because microsoft subsidize them |
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| 14:24.39 | abrotman | mousepfds: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:24.40 | lakefrog | ugh, does anyone know why my case speaker suddenly decides to come back to life, i suspect it was a recent kernel update |
| 14:24.51 | mousepfds | abrotman: okay thanks |
| 14:24.55 | lakefrog | kernel module pcspkr is not running, however it still beeps |
| 14:25.06 | lakefrog | i would lke to REALLY disable the pcspkr |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | snip snip |
| 14:25.16 | lakefrog | hehe |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | !fix pcspkr |
| 14:25.22 | dpkg | takes pcspkr to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 14:25.33 | aFlag | tralala: I didn't buy it yet |
| 14:26.02 | tralala | aFlag, so you still have the option of not getting vista (an the laptop) |
| 14:26.05 | aFlag | HawkeV: but do you know if the wireless card on it works on linux? |
| 14:26.10 | lakefrog | what did deb do to the kernel, did they hardcode it in where it cannot be disabled, i mean pcspkr is not in proc/modules |
| 14:26.22 | lakefrog | its kinda like a tv running after u unplug it still.. :P |
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| 14:26.23 | HawkeV | aFlag: it depends which wireless card is in it |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | http://planet.debian.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?terms=pcspkr |
| 14:26.25 | HawkeV | there are a bunch |
| 14:26.26 | aFlag | tralala: not really, I was not able to find any laptop without windows installed |
| 14:26.26 | lakefrog | its not suposed to do that |
| 14:26.26 | tralala | aFlag, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 14:26.32 | HawkeV | the one in my vostro 1700 works just fine |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | oh .. but i guess that's as a module |
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| 14:26.45 | HawkeV | worst case, you'll need to use ndiswrapper |
| 14:27.00 | HawkeV | someone wrote an ubuntu guide on how to get linux on them, if you google vostro linux, it's like the first result |
| 14:27.07 | Paul_UK | hmm i have been asking my question for a couple of days now, maybe no-one uses vncserver lol |
| 14:27.10 | aFlag | I looked for dell, lenovo and acer so far |
| 14:27.18 | tralala | aFlag, asus eeepc and some dells |
| 14:27.20 | abrotman | Paul_UK: you could also ask the debian-user mailing list |
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| 14:27.27 | abrotman | Paul_UK: or try them both |
| 14:28.14 | aFlag | hm, if I need ndiswrapper I rather not buy it |
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| 14:28.32 | aFlag | tralala: I couldn't find any dell without windows from the models they offer to brazil |
| 14:28.43 | aFlag | I hadn't look at asus yet |
| 14:28.46 | abrotman | aFlag: they offer a few craptacular ubuntu models |
| 14:29.04 | tralala | hehe |
| 14:29.18 | jelly | dear linux kernel, please try not to reset my external disk every three seconds. I don't think that much hard parking is good for its longevity |
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| 14:29.34 | abrotman | aFlag: dell.com/linux .. see if that gets you started (though i'd say to not buy dell anyways) |
| 14:29.43 | abrotman | aFlag: also .. Lenovo sells SuSE laptops IIRC |
| 14:29.44 | aFlag | why not? |
| 14:29.53 | abrotman | hides from petemc |
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| 14:30.12 | jelly | does dell put trackpoints on their laptops? |
| 14:30.16 | abrotman | no |
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| 14:30.22 | abrotman | that's another failure! |
| 14:30.22 | jelly | that's why. |
| 14:30.27 | aFlag | I've been told thinkpads are good and compatible with linux |
| 14:30.35 | aFlag | hm, what's a trackpoint? |
| 14:30.38 | tralala | you've been told correctly |
| 14:30.39 | abrotman | the nubbie |
| 14:30.40 | jelly | aFlag: they have been so far. |
| 14:30.43 | jelly | the clit |
| 14:30.58 | jelly | !trackpoint |
| 14:31.08 | jelly | dpkg: hi |
| 14:31.09 | dpkg | hi, jelly |
| 14:31.09 | abrotman | !tp |
| 14:31.09 | dpkg | methinks tp is IBM <ThinkPad>, or Toilet Paper |
| 14:31.24 | jelly | trackpoints abrotman's house |
| 14:31.29 | abrotman | it's not hard |
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| 14:31.39 | lakefrog | ok here's one |
| 14:31.44 | jelly | 1 |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | another one!? |
| 14:31.52 | jelly | 1!! |
| 14:31.55 | lakefrog | how can i search for bugs... the bugs.debian.org page is not very intuitive |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | sure it is |
| 14:32.05 | lakefrog | no i dont know the bug number.. thast why im tryin to search.. ya know keywords... |
| 14:32.07 | jelly | lakefrog: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:32.12 | tralala | lakefrog, use google |
| 14:32.15 | abrotman | lakefrog: in a certain package |
| 14:32.16 | abrotman | ? |
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| 14:32.39 | lakefrog | i dont know what package lol |
| 14:32.42 | lakefrog | thats why i need to search |
| 14:32.46 | aFlag | the problem with thinkpads is that they are so expensive |
| 14:33.01 | abrotman | lakefrog: it has a full text search if you go down far enough |
| 14:33.04 | tralala | yeah, that's why I buy them used |
| 14:33.13 | abrotman | aFlag: depends which family you get .. but they're not apple-expensive |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | has been eyeing up a T61 to replace his uh .. aging 2.4Ghz thinkpad :) |
| 14:33.49 | jelly | they do tend to have 25% above a similar specced machine from $crap_vendor |
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| 14:34.17 | abrotman | right .. but $crap_vendor (whose four letter name shall remain unspoken) has a bad history with linux and hardware failures in general |
| 14:34.36 | abrotman | damn Tosh |
| 14:34.42 | jelly | I basically think the keyboard, hinges and misc reinforcements alone are worth that 25% |
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| 14:34.48 | tralala | set crap_vendor=sony |
| 14:34.49 | abrotman | and nubbie! |
| 14:34.57 | petemc | some dell laptops have trackpoints |
| 14:35.00 | jelly | it's on the keyboard, duh |
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| 14:35.12 | petemc | locks abrotman up in a 42u dell rack |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | crap .. you know the keys don't work on those things! |
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| 14:35.27 | jelly | some HPs do too, but the ones I looked at, they keyboard flexed |
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| 14:35.45 | jelly | abrotman: clit! |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | nubbie! |
| 14:35.57 | jelly | FIGHT |
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| 14:36.05 | abrotman | oh yeah .. trackpoint fight |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | gets a slingshot and begins firing nubbies at jelly |
| 14:36.27 | jelly | CLITS |
| 14:36.41 | tralala | someone has to educate dpkg on trackpoint flamewars |
| 14:36.44 | jelly | buys a 100pack of spare rubbers |
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| 14:37.27 | jelly | http://xkcd.com/243/ |
| 14:38.10 | tralala | hehe |
| 14:38.50 | tralala | dpkg, trackpoint is http://xkcd.com/243/ |
| 14:38.50 | dpkg | tralala: okay |
| 14:39.19 | noother | I'm getting kernel panics all the time.. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with my wlan, because this only happens, when I'm at home and connected to my wlan. At work my notebook works perfectly. I'm using iwlwifi with an intel 4965 agn card, any idea how to fix this? :/ |
| 14:39.26 | jelly | !listvalues xkcd.com |
| 14:39.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xkcd.com' by value (7): trackpoint ;; decide ;; start an editor war ;; xkcd ;; women ;; dsa1571 jokes ;; butterfly. |
| 14:39.49 | jelly | good ole M-x C-c butterfly. |
| 14:40.03 | magyar_ | hi, i upgraded to lenny from etch and my samba/winbind configuration is no longer working. can anyone help? |
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| 14:40.23 | aFlag | noother: are you using propertary drivers from your card vendor? |
| 14:40.38 | noother | i'm using the debian build-in drivers |
| 14:40.47 | dcestari | hello, anyone using eclipse from eclipse.org? I'm trying to run lastest eclipse with sun-java6-jdk and It crashes. I'm on lenny |
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| 14:40.55 | jelly | aFlag: eh, doesn't intel only have free drivers? :-) |
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| 14:41.20 | Jonex | How do I install the Java source so I get javadoc and stuff in netbeans? |
| 14:41.22 | aFlag | jelly: dunno, whenever a kernel panic happens I think that's the first thing you gotta check |
| 14:41.33 | abrotman | jelly: not for the 11g wifi |
| 14:41.34 | noother | plus package firmware-iwlwifi is installed.. |
| 14:41.51 | dcestari | nothing? |
| 14:42.23 | aFlag | noother: what debian version are you using? |
| 14:42.27 | noother | sid |
| 14:42.27 | jelly | abrotman: ev1l |
| 14:43.27 | abrotman | agreed |
| 14:43.39 | noother | i had to use sid, because at the time i installed it, my wireless card was only supported in sid |
| 14:43.51 | aFlag | noother: I think you should probably report the bug |
| 14:43.56 | amphi | noother: why do you think iwl4965 is to blame? |
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| 14:44.27 | aFlag | you could try the vanilla kernel 2.6.26.3 as well, if it also panics you could even report the bug to lkml |
| 14:44.44 | jelly | amphi: <noother> I'm getting kernel panics all the time.. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with my wlan, because this only happens, when I'm at home and connected to my wlan. |
| 14:44.47 | aFlag | noother: do you have the panic message with you? |
| 14:45.32 | noother | that's the prob, how can i trace panic messages? it doesn't get logged in any files, and it's too late after the reboot |
| 14:45.50 | abrotman | noother: i used to have my wifi crash the network stack when my router was dying a slow death |
| 14:46.05 | noother | amphi: because with the same notbook, at work it runs perfectly, the only thing that changes between my home and my work is the wlan |
| 14:46.24 | tralala | oops... |
| 14:46.42 | noother | no oops or aii messages in there :/ |
| 14:47.00 | dcestari | I'm having problems with network-manager-ovpn |
| 14:47.05 | dcestari | how can I debug this? |
| 14:47.40 | tralala | I'm saying that with router oops in mind rather than kernel |
| 14:47.50 | jelly | dpkg, trackpoint is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick |
| 14:47.50 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 14:48.23 | greymalkin | Okay, so this is the first time I've run across it -- what changes does iceweasel have to firefox that made mozilla force a name change? |
| 14:48.58 | petemc | greymalkin: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 14:49.00 | aFlag | On openbsd you have a dump from the kernel on /var/crash whenever a crash happens, linux probably has something similar somewhere. That way you can at least get the stack when the panic happened. Other than that, I think taking notes on the panic message is the best you can do :-/ |
| 14:49.10 | noother | i'd like to report it, but well.. i'm not able to give any more information more than what i already said.. it's somehow related to my wlan-card |
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| 14:50.32 | aFlag | noother: if you report it to lkml (linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org) and you're willing they can probably guide you into giving them good information about your crash |
| 14:50.44 | greymalkin | petemc: Yeah, I saw that -- I'm just wondering what the functional changes are, if any. |
| 14:51.21 | tralala | greymalkin, automatic upgrades are disabled |
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| 14:52.21 | noother | aFlag: okay, i'll try the vanilla kernel and if it also happens there, i'll do my best to report it |
| 14:52.28 | greymalkin | lol... alright then! I'll stick with Iceweasel, as it was upgrades that broke my system the first time and brought me back to debian. |
| 14:52.58 | aFlag | noother: cool. I wish I could be of more help :( |
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| 14:53.49 | n8ature | is there a way i can remotely view the terminal that I would see if i had a monitor plugged into the server? |
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| 14:56.24 | petemc | n8ature: chvt , perhaps |
| 14:56.30 | tralala | n8ature, not exactly, but screen is close to this |
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| 14:58.55 | n8ature | im trying to figure out why this server keeps crashing.. it seems to just lose power.. there are no messages anywhere indicating any problems.. in syslog, debug, kern.log... |
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| 15:01.21 | magyar_ | hi, is there a backport for lenny? |
| 15:01.37 | jamesffff | Hey guys, i've got an application that is logging to syslog that looks like this "log 127.0.0.1 local0" Where can i see where this log is? |
| 15:01.40 | jamesffff | I cant see it in /var/log |
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| 15:02.30 | n8ature | petemc: im sshed into the server, "chvt 1" doesn't seem to affect anything.. how can I see the messages that a tech at the data center would see on the console? |
| 15:02.50 | macsim`work | how can I make ldap listen on eth0? thanks |
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| 15:05.48 | kenjy | I generated a password with htdigest but I need to remember it |
| 15:05.54 | kenjy | is there a way to decode a digest password? |
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| 15:06.22 | cedric3 | hi when i try to see the package with dpkg i have a flag : un who can tell me please what it this status please |
| 15:07.30 | tralala | cedric3, it's uninstalled, not configured as explained in the manual |
| 15:07.43 | cedric3 | thansk |
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| 15:09.29 | noother | is there any problem with using my customized debian-kernel .config file with the vanilla kernel? |
| 15:09.56 | noother | (the panics also happen with the official debian-kernel) |
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| 15:12.33 | webPragmatist | how do I remount a system to rw? |
| 15:12.50 | webPragmatist | mount -o remount rw ? |
| 15:13.00 | webPragmatist | target somewhere in there heh |
| 15:13.31 | justin | remount,rw |
| 15:14.00 | webPragmatist | do I have to respecify like the type and location or can I just specify it's mount position? |
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| 15:14.54 | tralala | you don't |
| 15:14.58 | petemc | n8ature: sounds like you want screen -x |
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| 15:16.16 | n8ature | petemc: ok.. i can install screen on this server, but isn't screen -x for joining an existing screen session? |
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| 15:16.42 | petemc | n8ature: yeah, you need the admin in the data centre to be running screen |
| 15:17.03 | webPragmatist | ok i just checked and it's already rw |
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| 15:17.51 | deadcat | whats the text for resume that says "___ upon request" |
| 15:18.13 | petemc | references |
| 15:18.15 | deadcat | ah |
| 15:18.16 | webPragmatist | but the mount creates uids that don't exist on this system so I can't modify anything... "//my.naslocation.com/mymount on /mnt/nas type cifs (rw,mand)" |
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| 15:18.36 | deadcat | petemc: just put taht at the bottom right? |
| 15:18.47 | petemc | aye |
| 15:18.55 | deadcat | thanks |
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| 15:19.01 | n8ature | petemc: yes.. except i have no tech in the data center :-) i just want to see what i would see if i plugged a monitor into the video card at the physical server... is that tty1? |
| 15:19.13 | petemc | n8ature: you wouldnt see anything |
| 15:19.21 | petemc | other than a prompt |
| 15:19.56 | tralala | n8ature, the kernel messsages that appear on the active tty should also be logged in syslog or kern.log |
| 15:19.59 | n8ature | petemc: i would also see any hardware or system messages right? of would that come to all terminals... |
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| 15:21.01 | n8ature | tralala: ah.. ok.. |
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| 15:22.10 | n8ature | oh i found it.. not that i need it anymore because of tralalas info.. but it looks like cat /dev/vcs1 spys on the console there |
| 15:23.28 | n8ature | ok, so im not finding any indication in syslog or kern.log of the crash... its almost like a complete powerloss... should i have my NOC check the powersupply on the server or is there something else i can look for? |
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| 15:24.34 | webPragmatist | how can I make all files writable by anyone with cifs? I basically need to rebuild the permissions "//my.naslocation.com/mymount on /mnt/nas type cifs (rw,mand)" |
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| 15:24.35 | n8ature | this is a big server with 24 hard disks.. it very likely could be a power issue.. although i want to examine all possibilities |
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| 15:24.58 | phr0z3n | What's the Debian equivelant of mkfile? |
| 15:25.12 | cahoot | touch? |
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| 15:25.56 | n8ature | its interesting.. i have become so comfortable running debian servers for years.. never having them crash.. that i have not yet learned how to debug a crash... |
| 15:26.30 | phr0z3n | thanks |
| 15:26.36 | maligor | clearly you should move to a more unstable operating system then ;) |
| 15:26.41 | n8ature | debian stable has made me soft... :-) |
| 15:27.01 | n8ature | right... |
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| 15:28.11 | maligor | don't have extra powersupply units to check it? |
| 15:28.32 | maligor | ofcourse with 24 disks, it's probably something big, expensive and exotic |
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| 15:29.25 | n8ature | maligor: its a 4U supermicro with commodity sata drives.. nothing that special... |
| 15:29.39 | n8ature | has two powersupplies.. |
| 15:29.50 | maligor | memory issues would caues random program crashes more likely than powerloss |
| 15:30.02 | maligor | cpu and motherboard are possibilities too |
| 15:30.56 | n8ature | maligor: wouldn't memory, cpu, or motherboard issues leave some kind of message in the logs? |
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| 15:31.32 | maligor | probably ecc memory |
| 15:31.38 | ^paradox^ | hello all |
| 15:31.43 | maligor | as for cpu... well, I guess there's mcelog |
| 15:31.51 | n8ature | yes, ecc memory |
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| 15:32.15 | n8ature | dang.. just vanished on me again... |
| 15:32.38 | maligor | motherboard issues wouldn't probably leave any traces anywhere |
| 15:33.07 | maligor | aside from maybe random program crashes like memory issues |
| 15:33.15 | trumpen | I need to backup a homely mysql database. Is mysqldump reliable for hot backups? Or should I stop the server during the backup? |
| 15:33.32 | ^paradox^ | ive just finished installing debian to an approximately 3yr old emachines PC which i plan to sell. install went fine |
| 15:34.26 | n8ature | trumpen: mysqldump is reliable for me... no need to stop the server |
| 15:35.40 | linkslice | anyone noticing a problem with the volatile repos? this morning? I can't access any of them... |
| 15:36.01 | ^paradox^ | im going to get it hooked up to cable modem for internet in a few minutes |
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| 15:36.46 | ^paradox^ | however im still new to linux so i was wondering if anyone could take some time to help me get java and flash working on it? |
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| 15:37.08 | maligor | add non-free to your repos and install |
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| 15:37.17 | spq | how should i manage the init.d scripts in debian? |
| 15:37.32 | maligor | if it's stable, the versions will be somewhat out of date tho |
| 15:37.36 | spq | (manage = marking things to start at boot time) |
| 15:37.36 | defrysk | well flash is now done manually or thu the multimedia repo |
| 15:37.37 | trumpen | n8ature, thanks ;) |
| 15:38.01 | ^paradox^ | let me explain my situation |
| 15:38.02 | maligor | defrysk, it's not in non-free anymore? |
| 15:38.02 | defrysk | at least with lenny that is |
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| 15:38.21 | maligor | atleast I would remember it being there at some point |
| 15:38.21 | defrysk | maligor, since lenny its not available (flash) |
| 15:38.25 | ^paradox^ | u see i was given this PC |
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| 15:39.00 | ^paradox^ | upon inspecting it i saw that it had no operating system installed |
| 15:39.27 | defrysk | ^paradox^, good plan to put debian on it :) |
| 15:39.46 | n8ature | trumpen: np.. i use this to backup mysql databases.. which runs mysqldump to back them all up.. works great http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mysqlscript.htm |
| 15:40.04 | ^paradox^ | i don't have any full windows install disks laying around so i burned and installed debian |
| 15:40.15 | ^paradox^ | thanks |
| 15:40.28 | maligor | ^paradox^, etch is it? |
| 15:40.35 | defrysk | ^paradox^, the etch version ? |
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| 15:40.58 | linkslice | nm aptitude figured it out |
| 15:41.09 | ^paradox^ | i believe i installed the latest version. how can i check? |
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| 15:41.31 | defrysk | cat /etc/issue |
| 15:41.38 | swampfrog | ok my boot screwed up, it always freezes halfway through, cant even log in in console |
| 15:41.45 | swampfrog | what am i suposed to do now |
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| 15:42.00 | ^paradox^ | ok its in the hallway lol let me go look brb |
| 15:42.00 | maligor | swampfrog, does it give any errors? |
| 15:42.09 | spq | how should i manage the init.d scripts in debian? (configure which should start at boot etc) |
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| 15:42.11 | swampfrog | yes something about NHS i think.. |
| 15:42.17 | swampfrog | mounting NHS or something |
| 15:42.18 | maligor | NHS? |
| 15:42.18 | swampfrog | then it just hagns |
| 15:42.21 | swampfrog | i dont knwo |
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| 15:42.26 | trumpen | n8ature, wow! I was going to write one but now I think I'll get that :) |
| 15:42.26 | swampfrog | it doesnt matter i cant do anything anyway |
| 15:42.29 | maligor | you mean NFS? |
| 15:42.32 | swampfrog | yea that |
| 15:42.39 | swampfrog | it just hangs, i cant even login |
| 15:42.45 | swampfrog | i need to get to some kind of prompt.. |
| 15:43.14 | maligor | tried single user mode? |
| 15:43.32 | swampfrog | i have my grub set to timeout 0 |
| 15:43.36 | defrysk | swampfrog, ctrl - d skips if it hangs during boot I believe |
| 15:43.45 | swampfrog | i dont know any special mode keys |
| 15:43.51 | swampfrog | like windows boot menu.. safe mode and stuff |
| 15:43.58 | swampfrog | i dont know the keyboard shortcut |
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| 15:44.19 | swampfrog | ctrl-d ill try that |
| 15:44.29 | swampfrog | but what is the shortcut to bring up the grub options |
| 15:44.42 | maligor | I'm not sure you can with timeout 0 |
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| 15:45.00 | swampfrog | well ill changfe it |
| 15:45.05 | defrysk | you have to be fast :D |
| 15:45.08 | swampfrog | i can access my boot partition im on a live disk now |
| 15:45.18 | swampfrog | but i dont know.. is what im saying |
| 15:45.19 | maligor | yeah, any key input it picks up before it loads the os should bring up grub |
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| 15:45.39 | swampfrog | i google all over, how to bring up a failsafe boot options menu.. i dont know |
| 15:45.53 | maligor | you'd need to get into grub first, heh |
| 15:46.17 | swampfrog | no i need documentation is what i need, like windows you press f8 to get the menu |
| 15:46.20 | swampfrog | how do i do that in linux |
| 15:46.26 | swampfrog | i cant find this basic info, ive googled all over |
| 15:46.31 | maligor | anyway, another alternative is to use the debian installer cd with 'rescue' |
| 15:46.35 | swampfrog | i need to get to a bash prompt, anything |
| 15:46.39 | swampfrog | sigh./. |
| 15:46.42 | maligor | it gives aroot prompt |
| 15:46.44 | swampfrog | its a basic question |
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| 15:47.33 | felix-da-catz | swampfrog: A time of 1-5 seconds is always a good idea. |
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| 15:48.00 | amphi | swampfrog: if your grub timeout is 0, you probably need to boot off a cd and edit menu.lst ;) |
| 15:48.00 | felix-da-catz | The installer cd is probably your best bet to get the boot drive mounted and change the time in the grub.conf file. |
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| 15:48.24 | pozic | How do I get rid of the "Free" Java implementations that don't work and always default to the Sun one? |
| 15:48.46 | defrysk | dpkg-reconfigure java |
| 15:49.16 | ^paradox^ | defrysk after entering command at terminal it returned Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 15:49.24 | pozic | defrysk: no, that does not work. |
| 15:49.35 | swampfrog | i set timeout to 10 |
| 15:49.52 | swampfrog | but i cant remember.. does it have the options stated |
| 15:50.02 | swampfrog | like press f1 for boot options or help or w/e |
| 15:50.09 | swampfrog | or do i need to know the shortcut to press when it botos up |
| 15:50.18 | maligor | pozic, update-java-alternatives |
| 15:50.32 | defrysk | maligor, thats the one my bad |
| 15:51.19 | maligor | I use openjdk 6 myself :) |
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| 15:51.30 | maligor | works pretty well |
| 15:51.42 | ^paradox^ | im gettin tired of stepping over that PC every time i need something |
| 15:51.45 | defrysk | maligor, on 64 bit you cant do without :) |
| 15:51.58 | maligor | yeah, the webbrowser plugin |
| 15:52.02 | defrysk | indeed |
| 15:52.19 | pozic | maligor: when I do update- -s <the sun> one and then java --version, I get could not create virtual machine. |
| 15:52.21 | noother | i used icedtea before openjdk came available |
| 15:52.34 | noother | that worked :) |
| 15:52.38 | maligor | pozic, java doesn't understand gnu conventions |
| 15:52.39 | ^paradox^ | phone call brb |
| 15:52.49 | maligor | pozic, java -version |
| 15:52.55 | defrysk | noother, icedtea-gjc-webplugin |
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| 15:53.13 | noother | yes, but that wasn't available |
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| 15:53.25 | defrysk | noother, not it is |
| 15:53.30 | defrysk | now* |
| 15:53.33 | noother | true |
| 15:53.33 | Lagbolt | swampfrog, so you have a 0 second grub boot menu time? does it even show up that it is "going to grub"? |
| 15:53.58 | pozic | maligor: thanks. The original target program now also works. |
| 15:54.14 | pozic | maligor: the order of the buttons changed between the Free and non-free one. |
| 15:54.20 | noother | and now i can finally use java applets without bugs without a 32bit firefox :) |
| 15:54.22 | maligor | heh |
| 15:54.24 | pozic | maligor: that's kind of funny. |
| 15:54.32 | maligor | weird rather |
| 15:55.04 | pozic | maligor: it just shows that nobody can implement a specification of >1000 pages to the letter. |
| 15:55.06 | defrysk | flash does not work in lenny 64-bit , it does in sid 64 however |
| 15:55.40 | maligor | defrysk, I guess that'd refer to nspluginwrapper |
| 15:55.59 | maligor | since I don't think it's in lenny |
| 15:56.14 | webPragmatist | I mounted a cifs type share and can't umount it because I get "Device or resource busy" |
| 15:56.19 | defrysk | maligor, I install flash from multimedia and spluginwrapper finishes the job automagically |
| 15:56.20 | webPragmatist | how can I force it to unmount? |
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| 15:56.54 | maligor | webPragmatist, -f |
| 15:57.06 | webPragmatist | tried that same error |
| 15:57.10 | ^paradox^ | ok im back |
| 15:57.17 | maligor | I guess you're stuck with it then, heh |
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| 15:57.25 | jelly | webPragmatist: use lsof to find out which process still uses it |
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| 15:58.38 | noother | has anyone got the same problem with libswscale, libavutil, etc. from debian multimedia, that vlc stops showing videos? |
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| 15:59.37 | noother | it plays audio, but doesn't show video |
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| 15:59.43 | webPragmatist | oi duh |
| 15:59.45 | webPragmatist | thanks |
| 16:00.47 | ^paradox^ | im gonna set that PC up in here in about 15 minutes. ill just need a little help getting java and flash working especially within the web browser. planning on installing firefox. |
| 16:01.45 | ^paradox^ | thing is im pretty sure anyone who comes to look at it will be from the windows world and thats why i wanted gnome desktop and java and flash already working ;) |
| 16:01.46 | defrysk | ^paradox^, debian uses iceweasel its firefox with a legal twist |
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| 16:02.52 | Lagbolt | noother, what kind of video? |
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| 16:03.13 | ^paradox^ | since gnome is so very similar to the look of win XP i figured itd be a good selling point ;) |
| 16:03.16 | prs | hi all. |
| 16:03.18 | Lagbolt | noother, did it play the video before some upgrade? do you have codecs needed |
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| 16:03.21 | noother | Lagbolt: everything, avi, wmv, flv... |
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| 16:03.38 | prs | how can I unpack a rar archive under debian? |
| 16:03.42 | Lagbolt | noother, yikes. did you just upgrade those packages? can you tell me what version they are |
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| 16:03.50 | Lagbolt | prs, install unrar |
| 16:03.51 | peppe | prs: install unrar (from non free) |
| 16:04.17 | prs | peppe: And how can i find it? i see (or at leas apt shows me) only unrar-free |
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| 16:04.52 | noother | Lagbolt: no, i solved it by reinstalling the official debian packages. it happens with a simple full-upgrade with debian multimedia in the sources.list |
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| 16:05.42 | py_ | hello |
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| 16:06.04 | peppe | prs: /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 16:06.09 | ^paradox^ | okies so im gonna fix some instant coffee, lug the damn thing in here, and hope i have a long enough ethernet cord to hook it up to internet lol. back in a few minutes |
| 16:06.10 | defrysk | noother intsall gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad and try it with totem |
| 16:06.50 | py_ | I've got an application which from time to time receives unexpected "TERM" signals. I don't know where they do come from (they basically should not happen). Is there a way to trace the "source" of a linux signal? |
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| 16:08.13 | noother | totem didn't work (i don't know if i had gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad installed). but with xine it worked well |
| 16:08.13 | noother | sex |
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| 16:08.16 | swampfrog | eh |
| 16:08.16 | noother | *sec |
| 16:08.27 | swampfrog | w/e my network interfaces are all screwy heh |
| 16:08.40 | swampfrog | i hadnt had a major prob for a long time in linux, im about to reinstall anyway |
| 16:08.49 | swampfrog | it eventually timed out after waiting forever and finished booting |
| 16:08.53 | swampfrog | thankfully |
| 16:09.25 | noother | this was the bad upgrade iirc: |
| 16:09.26 | noother | http://rafb.net/p/i7RbSB23.html |
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| 16:09.55 | noother | which broke vlc |
| 16:10.33 | Lagbolt | noother, i havent used vlc in sometime but it appears to be broken on my machine. interesting. i must investigate |
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| 16:12.02 | noother | if i can somehow help you with this, just tell me. i'd love to break my vlc again :) |
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| 16:13.10 | prs | peppe: thx. it worked |
| 16:13.35 | ZeuZ | my whole application list in gnome got corrupted |
| 16:13.44 | ZeuZ | I don;t see any of them, any idea how to re-generate it? |
| 16:14.55 | jelly | wishes there was a dmm build of vlc |
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| 16:15.00 | swampy | ah it was a simple prob! |
| 16:15.44 | swampy | i had a preup line in /etc/network/interfaces to do an iptables-restore |
| 16:15.55 | swampy | but the file it was pointing to i accidentally deleted |
| 16:15.56 | karlpinc | I've a box where 'ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release.gpg' returns nothing, but there's "*Release.gpg" files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/. Every time I run aptitude update I get the error 'Unknown error executing gpgv' for every archive I try putting in sources.list. (or apt-get update) What's wrong with my apt and how do I fix it? |
| 16:16.00 | swampy | so it was doing an iptables-restore to nothing... |
| 16:16.07 | swampy | that was enough to screw stuff up bigtime |
| 16:16.12 | swampy | took 10 min to boot |
| 16:16.13 | enouf | jelly: is there a .deb though somewhere worthy? |
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| 16:16.48 | jelly | enouf: not that I know of, hence the wish |
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| 16:16.58 | swampy | i always get the < direction confused and type > so it overwritten my file heh |
| 16:17.02 | karlpinc | What is /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ anyhow? |
| 16:17.24 | enouf | jelly: so to use, one must build? tar.gz available? svn? |
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| 16:17.35 | jelly | enouf: I did spend an hour or two building it with dmm -dev packages installed, but the result was less than satisfactory |
| 16:17.48 | enouf | jelly: ugh .. and ouch |
| 16:18.14 | peppe | karlpinc: dir for temporary download of package lists |
| 16:18.35 | jelly | enouf: dunno, use what you prefer? |
| 16:19.05 | jelly | enouf: nb, upstream also has own builds at deb http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-i386/arch ./ \n #deb-src http://nightlies.videolan.org/build/sid-i386/arch ./ |
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| 16:19.25 | enouf | jelly: i'm having issues with my system playing any hollyweird garbage (pressed/stampled/commercial) from the mpaa .. i'm almost positive it's some region-code issues - am going to reboot into my orig kernel 1st and check, then if no go, i'm flashing my drive's firmware |
| 16:20.00 | karlpinc | peppe : And why is aptitude always putting my gpg keys file in there, but nothing else? |
| 16:20.07 | x]] | http://pastebin.com/d447a4f07 <----- HELP=mE please |
| 16:20.11 | jelly | enouf: I have no opinion about that. My issue was crippled/nonexisting mpeg(-based) _en_coders in debian |
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| 16:20.13 | peppe | karlpinc: hmmm... good question... |
| 16:20.18 | enouf | jelly: so - there are .debs |
| 16:20.25 | jelly | there are. |
| 16:20.31 | karlpinc | peppe : The real question is "How do I make it stop?" |
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| 16:20.53 | jelly | karlpinc: why would you make it stop? |
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| 16:21.05 | enouf | jelly: you mean the newer ones? mpeg4, x264, h264, divx, xvid ? or are those not _en_coders |
| 16:21.15 | jelly | enouf: mpeg2 included |
| 16:21.26 | enouf | jelly: in dmm there are |
| 16:21.44 | enouf | i just used mencoder to encode a mp4 into mpeg2 |
| 16:21.54 | karlpinc | jelly : Because every "aptitude update" gets "Unknown error executing gpgv", even when I add new archives to sources.list. And I think it's because the *Release.gpg is going into /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ and not /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 16:21.57 | jelly | enouf: so give me a vlc that works for reencoding to mpeg2, and I'd be happy |
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| 16:22.22 | enouf | oh, vlc, i obviously don't know about - hence my questions about it |
| 16:22.24 | peppe | jelly: enouf: http://encode2mpeg.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:23.11 | ^paradox^ | im getting there folks. this machine is heavier than i thought lol. back in a few minutes |
| 16:24.03 | x]] | http://pastebin.com/d447a4f07 <----- help-me |
| 16:24.13 | jelly | peppe: the goal was to recode on the fly and provide a streaming server with a stream using less bandwidth |
| 16:24.15 | enouf | jelly: but, what i did find out from using mencoder, is for some reason, no mplex(?) structures are made, so make a real DVD from it, one would use mplex (mpegtools?) + dvdauthor .. then finally growisofs .. ugh |
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| 16:24.38 | karlpinc | Especially because the files are not partial, the contents look like the *Release.gpg files I've got on other boxes. |
| 16:24.55 | peppe | jelly: oh, sorry. then only videolan is "good enough" afaik |
| 16:25.06 | jelly | karlpinc: do you have anything weird in /etc/apt/apt.conf* ? |
| 16:25.38 | karlpinc | jelly : I'll look. (It's a fresh install. I've done nothing but login...) |
| 16:25.51 | enouf | amyway... i'm all starrey-eyed - i found a real SBLive in the trash, along with some other goodies ;-) |
| 16:26.15 | noother | x]]: apt-file search says, LWP/Simple.pm is located in the package libwww-perl, is it installed? |
| 16:26.22 | karlpinc | jelly : Nope. It's empty. |
| 16:26.38 | enouf | no, not literal dumpster diving , that's a gates + job specific talent |
| 16:26.45 | jelly | karlpinc: afaik fresh files are downloaded to partial/ and move to .. upon download. I have no idea whether it's moving them to wrong place, downloading them to wrong place, to just breaking before moving them |
| 16:27.00 | x]] | hummmmmmmmm |
| 16:27.07 | enouf | erm , jobs* |
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| 16:27.20 | swampy | im still trying to learn the art of dvd ripping and authoring too |
| 16:27.41 | jelly | karlpinc: I guess you already have tried removing everything in /v/l/a/lists/ (except the file "lock" please)? |
| 16:27.57 | swampy | i spent like 2 weeks trying to get vobs extracted from some camcorder minidisks and spliced onto a 4.7GB disk |
| 16:28.14 | karlpinc | jelly: Nope. I'm not apt-savvy enough for that. I'll give it a try. |
| 16:28.16 | enouf | swampy: try shrinkta |
| 16:28.25 | swampy | was only able to get a cell rip not chapter rip but i think it worked out ok |
| 16:28.29 | swampy | ill give that a shot |
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| 16:28.39 | enouf | swampy: they are 4.3GB, not 4.7 |
| 16:28.45 | noother | x]]: dpkg -l | grep libwww-perl |
| 16:28.50 | swampy | depends on your definition of a GB |
| 16:28.51 | swampy | :P |
| 16:28.56 | enouf | er, GiB actually |
| 16:29.00 | jelly | karlpinc: well, rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*, then redo an aptitude update |
| 16:29.05 | x]] | thanks |
| 16:29.07 | x]] | o/ |
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| 16:29.40 | jelly | karlpinc: that *_* ought to remove everything but "lock", btw |
| 16:29.47 | enouf | swampy: i'm only mentioning it in case you're having "size" issues O_O |
| 16:29.47 | swampy | i couldnt find a decent app to do a chapter rip from a titleset, but dvdunauthor will rip a cell per output file |
| 16:29.56 | swampy | oh naw nothing like that ;- |
| 16:30.13 | enouf | did you view the dvdauthor docs? |
| 16:30.21 | swampy | i tried... |
| 16:30.27 | ^paradox^ | ok dont laugh, but where is shutdown? on this machine i use ubuntu so im not sure where its at on other |
| 16:30.29 | jelly | swampy: you might want to try in a more specific channel; #mplayer maybe? |
| 16:30.29 | enouf | it talks about how titlesets are ... whatever |
| 16:30.41 | swampy | i tried a couple otehr apps like transcode to do a chapter rip, but the idea was to not reencode it just rip it, that takes like 5 hrs |
| 16:30.46 | swampy | plus it crashed halfway through |
| 16:31.03 | enouf | "Note that due to the DVD standard, all audio, video, and subpicture options must be set once for the entire titleset; i.e. you cannot mix pal and ntsc video in the same titleset. For that you must generate separate titlesets." |
| 16:31.03 | swampy | then trying to reauthor a new dvd was a pain after all that heh |
| 16:31.13 | muh2000 | bash over ssh: how can i change the color of "computername" or "user@computername" ? |
| 16:31.18 | swampy | i tried no less than 6 different authoring apps that failed for one reason or another |
| 16:31.23 | jelly | ^paradox^: without the GUI, you'd run "poweroff" as root |
| 16:31.24 | enouf | . Create your titlesets dvdauthor [-o dir] [audio/video/subpicture options] [chapters] To create 1 chapter per mpeg, simply do dvdauthor [-o dir] [a/v/s options] chap1.mpg chap2.mpg chap3.mpg... |
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| 16:31.29 | swampy | settled for some windows app.. kino i think.. |
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| 16:31.34 | karlpinc | jelly : Same problem. All the files go back into the same dirs, including /v/l/a/lists/partial/*Release.gpg |
| 16:31.34 | swampy | couldnt even read the menus in wine |
| 16:31.37 | swampy | i was clicking in the dark |
| 16:31.46 | karlpinc | jelly : Could it be a hardware problem? This is a new install. |
| 16:31.46 | swampy | and that gave me a dvd9 |
| 16:31.51 | swampy | i had to reshrink that in k9copy |
| 16:31.52 | swampy | heh |
| 16:31.52 | ^paradox^ | oh wait i found it |
| 16:31.54 | jelly | karlpinc: unlikely |
| 16:31.56 | swampy | it was the only way i coudl get it to work |
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| 16:32.16 | jelly | karlpinc: ls -ld /var/lib/apt/lists /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
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| 16:32.35 | ^paradox^ | lol they may look the same but theyre not |
| 16:32.47 | karlpinc | jelly : And then pastebin? or what? |
| 16:32.55 | enouf | swampy: dvdshrink should work in wine, no? |
| 16:32.59 | swampy | nah im all done now, one of those favors is was volunteered for |
| 16:33.04 | jelly | less than 4 lines you can just paste here |
| 16:33.14 | swampy | i couldnt get it to recognize a mounted dir as a drive |
| 16:33.21 | enouf | swampy: but shrinkta is what i've seen as the foss version |
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| 16:33.41 | swampy | i tried everything... but its all done now, just one of those favors i was volunteered for... |
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| 16:33.50 | swampy | ill mess with it later |
| 16:34.11 | enouf | http://shrinkta.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 16:34.30 | swampy | i still wish i knew what was up with the pcspkr |
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| 16:34.34 | swampy | what did debian do to their kernel |
| 16:34.38 | karlpinc | jelly: lists is: drwxrw-xr-x 3 root root 4069 2001-06-18 23:53 . |
| 16:34.39 | swampy | im just gonna have to open up my case |
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| 16:35.00 | jelly | karlpinc: heh, you can't paste huh? :-) |
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| 16:35.16 | enouf | swampy: you want it on, or off? |
| 16:35.19 | swampy | i can turn off beeps at console, and in x/gnome |
| 16:35.20 | swampy | i want it OFF |
| 16:35.23 | swampy | nothing works heh |
| 16:35.23 | karlpinc | jelly : partial is: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4069 2001-06018 23:53 partial/ |
| 16:35.27 | enouf | swampy: haha - |
| 16:35.31 | enouf | !bell |
| 16:35.32 | dpkg | [bell] "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
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| 16:35.32 | swampy | i blacklist pcspkr in modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 16:35.33 | karlpinc | jelly : no ssh to the box yet. |
| 16:35.43 | swampy | rmmod pcspkr says pcspkear is not in proc/modules |
| 16:35.44 | enouf | swampy: what i did is blacklist it |
| 16:35.46 | micols | anybody got a resonably good scorefile for 'slrn' ? |
| 16:35.47 | swampy | but it STILL BEEPS |
| 16:35.51 | swampy | it dont work now |
| 16:35.53 | jelly | karlpinc: your date wasn't set correctly at the installation time :-) |
| 16:35.55 | swampy | since recent kernel i thnk |
| 16:36.13 | karlpinc | jelly: I'm reluctant to install stuff while getting security warnings. |
| 16:36.14 | enouf | it's pcspkr and don't worry about /proc/modules |
| 16:36.28 | micols | apt-get install beep is a funny program to control your speaker |
| 16:36.29 | swampy | well modprobe pcspkr -r dont kill it |
| 16:36.29 | bol_ | Hm, i'm trying to install nvidia drivers as dpkg says, but the package nvidia-kernel-source doesn't exist when i run aptitude search nvidia-kernel. How is that? :/ |
| 16:36.36 | jelly | karlpinc: date -s "2008-09-02 16:37" |
| 16:36.41 | karlpinc | jelly : Looks like. |
| 16:36.41 | enouf | alsamixer also has a PC Speaker slider thing, lmao |
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| 16:36.56 | swampy | i wanna kill it totally, for x, console, gdm, kill it system wide |
| 16:37.03 | micols | if you have a frequency file you can make it play starwars melody or the like :) |
| 16:37.08 | micols | or christmas melodies. |
| 16:37.10 | swampy | but everyone says blacklist pcspkr should work, or rmmod pcspkr |
| 16:37.18 | enouf | swampy: see if your kernel has it compiled in |
| 16:37.18 | jelly | karlpinc: anything weird in /var/log/kern.log (or dmesg, pretty much the same thing)? |
| 16:37.21 | swampy | but it suddenly stopped owrking |
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| 16:37.38 | karlpinc | jelly : Lemme set the date. Maybe gpgv has a problem with the date of the signing.... (!) |
| 16:37.44 | swampy | how do i check that enouf, im thinking that must be it, it seemed to coincide with the last kernel update |
| 16:37.49 | jelly | karlpinc: OH YES IT DOES |
| 16:37.56 | nezza-_- | hi.. can anybody nopaste me his /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-input.rules? |
| 16:37.59 | swampy | blacklist always worked before |
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| 16:38.07 | enouf | grep PCSPKR /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 16:38.30 | plundra | What are you guys talking about? |
| 16:38.42 | bananushka | hello, how do I change a package's status from 'pi' to 'ii' in dpkg? |
| 16:39.03 | enouf | bananushka: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 16:39.09 | plundra | pcspkr is deprectated or whatever, snd_pcsp |
| 16:39.12 | karlpinc | jelly : Hotdamm. That fixed it. |
| 16:39.18 | jelly | karlpinc: the yelling aside, gpg really does care about dates, because keys usually expire |
| 16:39.21 | swampy | CONFIG_PCSPKR_PLATFORM=n |
| 16:39.21 | swampy | CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m |
| 16:39.27 | enouf | ahh.. right - they changed the module |
| 16:39.36 | bol_ | Any ideas about my nvidia-problem? :/ |
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| 16:39.44 | swampy | it was platform=y but i changed it to =n no effect |
| 16:39.58 | bananushka | enouf: thanks |
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| 16:40.05 | swampy | yea that line was only in the most recent config, the others just had the second line only |
| 16:40.15 | enouf | swampy: well CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m is all there used to be, and what works here |
| 16:40.15 | n3kl | So now that lenny is stable, to upgrade a xen system, do I upgrade the domUs first or the dom0, or does it matter? |
| 16:40.23 | jelly | karlpinc: maybe replace the bios battery if it can't keep the date any more |
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| 16:40.37 | n-iCe | hi |
| 16:40.49 | swampy | so how do i kill all beeps, i blacklisted the pcspkr module to no effect |
| 16:40.50 | swampy | hehe |
| 16:41.01 | enouf | ahh.. right - they changed the module <-- but as plundra mentioned swampy i think they changed it |
| 16:41.03 | sas123 | I am switching from ubuntu 6.06 to debian |
| 16:41.09 | swampy | hmm |
| 16:41.13 | n3kl | swampy: rmmod pcspkr |
| 16:41.14 | jelly | swampy: have you read the links a.brotman sent you |
| 16:41.20 | swampy | so is it a diff name or is it rolled into the kernel now |
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| 16:41.41 | sas123 | but I am not able to see my wireless network card in debian network-admin |
| 16:41.42 | plundra | swampy: Different name. |
| 16:41.45 | bananushka | ok, it worked, thanks a lot |
| 16:41.47 | plundra | swampy: I just "fixed" it yesterday. |
| 16:41.59 | omry | anyone knows of a command line utility that gets the average of num sequence read from stdin? |
| 16:42.00 | plundra | swampy: Blacklist snd_pcsp (aswell?) and you'll be fine. |
| 16:42.05 | swampy | who is a.brotman |
| 16:42.09 | swampy | ok thx |
| 16:42.13 | sas123 | how do I make it work? |
| 16:42.43 | enouf | nezza-_-: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z20_persistent-input.rules |
| 16:42.43 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1191638 |
| 16:42.58 | swampy | i rmmed snd_pcsp |
| 16:42.59 | swampy | that did it |
| 16:43.05 | swampy | oh thank you so much heh, that was so irritating |
| 16:43.12 | nezza-_- | enouf: thank you! |
| 16:43.24 | sas123 | any ideas? |
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| 16:43.36 | enouf | swampy: kernel version? |
| 16:43.40 | swampy | i dont know how i missed that, i was lookin in proc modules for something under another name :P |
| 16:43.48 | swampy | 2.6.26 |
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| 16:44.07 | swampy | must have changed the modules during the last kernel image update |
| 16:44.36 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/arch/x86/kernel/pcspeaker.c |
| 16:45.17 | jelly | omry: um... add them all then divide? |
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| 16:45.34 | enouf | then it's an ALSA thing |
| 16:45.38 | omry | jelly, I am not asking how to do average. |
| 16:45.46 | enouf | snd_ are alsa modules |
| 16:46.01 | swampy | oh |
| 16:46.14 | jelly | omry: just saying you can write a trivial script yourself |
| 16:46.15 | swampy | people kept saying it was alsa but i didnt know where to begin to look |
| 16:46.29 | omry | jelly, yes. or I can reuse something, in the spirit of linux. |
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| 16:46.33 | swampy | you are the first! ive been tryin to track that down for a week thx agn |
| 16:46.42 | sas123 | any help please |
| 16:46.44 | XTF | Hi. I'm getting "kernel: Out of socket memory" errors. Where can I check how that memory is spend, what limits are hit and what I should change? |
| 16:47.19 | omry | jelly, you probably write a line counter every time you want to see how many line are in a file, instead of using wc? |
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| 16:47.21 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/drivers/input/misc/pcspkr.c is the one other relevant kernel things, - unless this snd_pcsp is a Debian-ism |
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| 16:48.02 | jelly | omry: there is none that I know of. There also aren't any scripts to do addition, multiplication, or geometric avg. of numbers on stdin |
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| 16:48.31 | omry | jelly, exactly. and that's too bad. |
| 16:48.38 | enouf | swampy: oh, nm, it's in .26 |
| 16:48.39 | swampy | yea it always used to use pcspkr til just recently, i always kept that blacklisted |
| 16:48.43 | enouf | swampy: i was on .25 |
| 16:49.05 | Farhadix | Hi guys, I have an internet by wireless and a cable network , how config my debian to cable client can use internet? |
| 16:49.12 | enouf | i had been on .26.3 for days - lost track of which kernel sources i was searching |
| 16:49.15 | jelly | omry: well it would be rather frivolous to provide binaries for awk oneliners |
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| 16:49.18 | swampy | at least on my setup |
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| 16:49.33 | enouf | sound/drivers/pcsp/pcsp_lib.c, line 131 (99%) sound/drivers/pcsp/pcsp.c, line 106 (99%) sound/drivers/pcsp/pcsp_mixer.c, line 100 (98%) sound/drivers/pcsp/pcsp.h, line 57 (97%) sound/drivers/pcsp/Makefile, line 1 (88%) sound/drivers/Kconfig, line 20 (85%) Documentation/sound/alsa/ALSA-Configuration.txt, line 1625 (49%) |
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| 16:49.44 | enouf | all that's new shit |
| 16:50.22 | omry | jelly, I can claim that it's silly to supply binaries for anything you can write in assembly yourself. |
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| 16:50.23 | swampy | then like a week ago this snd_pcsp thing popped up and stopped using pcspkr |
| 16:50.39 | n3kl | Lenny stable now? |
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| 16:50.52 | swampy | eh i dont think so |
| 16:50.53 | enouf | what bugs me is NOTHING about it in /Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt |
| 16:51.03 | jelly | omry: sorry. I won't answer you on this topic any more, you're triggering my troll sensor. |
| 16:51.05 | swampy | they announced they're going stable |
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| 16:51.08 | swampy | but that might take awhile |
| 16:51.48 | noother | sync |
| 16:51.49 | swampy | stable enough for me, no major problems im gonna go ahead and make a fresh install with a recent image |
| 16:51.57 | noother | oops, sry |
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| 16:53.45 | swampy | if i could just find a decent truecrypt package id be happy |
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| 16:53.51 | tymonn | hi there |
| 16:53.54 | swampy | the ubuntu one was fail |
| 16:54.02 | swampy | i coudl only ro and only that as root |
| 16:54.07 | tymonn | is there any problem with ATI and kernel 2.6.26 ?? |
| 16:54.12 | tymonn | i cant install the drivers |
| 16:54.17 | tymonn | from the official site |
| 16:54.32 | tymonn | like i used to do in 2.6.24 |
| 16:54.37 | enouf | n3kl: not yet ;-) |
| 16:54.44 | swampy | maybe some repo carries it.. |
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| 16:56.13 | enouf | swampy: there;s a tut out there about using truecrypt on Etch and with gnome even |
| 16:56.13 | enouf | howtoforge or linuxquestions or something |
| 16:56.21 | swampy | yea, thats the compile project right |
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| 16:56.37 | enouf | i forget |
| 16:57.02 | enouf | if it's not in debian, so what - go compile ;-O |
| 16:57.09 | swampy | ueu |
| 16:57.12 | swampy | heh |
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| 16:57.59 | enouf | i mean, ya know, if it ain't buggy, sucky and broken ask also for it to be accepted if it's under GPL or whatever |
| 16:58.21 | dudeman | hey |
| 16:58.23 | swampy | well no maintainer has adopted it yet apparently |
| 16:59.02 | dudeman | enouf, http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi.jpg |
| 16:59.08 | dudeman | =D |
| 16:59.14 | enouf | swampy: nobody has adopted stuff like E16/17 either - and other pkgs are being dropped to - lack of maintainers i guess |
| 16:59.18 | dudeman | I also setup colored manpages in debian |
| 16:59.27 | dudeman | and I also setup tons of emacs modes last night |
| 16:59.32 | enouf | hm |
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| 16:59.40 | dudeman | enouf, you know how to do coloring of manpages? |
| 16:59.42 | dudeman | I do |
| 16:59.44 | dudeman | you suck! |
| 16:59.52 | dudeman | AHAHAHA ok I'm gonna go bye bye |
| 16:59.53 | enouf | dudeman: i snagged a real SBLive! from the curb ;-) |
| 16:59.57 | dudeman | nice! |
| 17:00.05 | dudeman | I'm looking for RFS undelete |
| 17:00.08 | swampy | my only main issue is a performance drop sometimes if the disk is being utilized a lot, or say deleting a large file that takes a bit on ext3 |
| 17:00.09 | dudeman | if you have a hint, throw me |
| 17:00.13 | swampy | the entire system will crawl |
| 17:00.14 | enouf | and a working p4 system |
| 17:00.17 | dudeman | hm |
| 17:00.19 | coll | dudeman, is that e17? |
| 17:00.21 | enouf | RFS? |
| 17:00.24 | swampy | not the kind of multitasking performance id expect |
| 17:00.33 | dudeman | swampy, ext3 only crawls on fragmented systems |
| 17:00.36 | dudeman | or a very slow disk |
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| 17:00.47 | dudeman | and/or system with ton sof i/o |
| 17:00.53 | enouf | swampy: try other FStypes then |
| 17:01.03 | dudeman | coll, no, KDE 3.5.9 |
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| 17:01.39 | enouf | dudeman: why would anyone want or need coloring books? |
| 17:01.47 | enouf | :-P |
| 17:01.47 | swampy | i think its somethin else, it seems to be something causing my system to hang, the disk doesnt have to be thrashing |
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| 17:02.09 | swampy | its just certain things that make multitasking performance drop |
| 17:02.15 | dudeman | enouf, coll, http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/irssi2.jpg |
| 17:02.29 | dudeman | look at how my irssi prompt bar jumps to the active split window :D |
| 17:02.35 | dudeman | god I love linux+debian |
| 17:02.40 | dudeman | no actualy I only love debian |
| 17:02.58 | enouf | also a nv11 geforce 2 mmx400 :-P |
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| 17:03.05 | coll | looks good.. |
| 17:03.07 | enouf | agp 4x :-) |
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| 17:03.50 | enouf | what the fuck am i looking at? |
| 17:03.54 | jamesstanley2 | Today I installed KDE 4.1 from kde4.debian.net apt. |
| 17:03.58 | jamesstanley2 | The first time I ran it it worked fine |
| 17:04.03 | jamesstanley2 | Subsequent times there was no window manager |
| 17:04.03 | swampy | hmm |
| 17:04.13 | jamesstanley2 | Typing 'DISPLAY=:0 kwin' over SSH gives: |
| 17:04.15 | dudeman | enouf, coll, swampy, http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/colormanpage.jpg |
| 17:04.22 | jamesstanley2 | kwin(3629) KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path "/usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so" for "kwin3_oxygen" |
| 17:04.25 | jamesstanley2 | qUncompress: Input data is corrupted |
| 17:04.28 | jamesstanley2 | qUncompress: Input data is corrupted |
| 17:04.29 | dudeman | look at my manpages! :D |
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| 17:04.30 | jamesstanley2 | Segmentation fault |
| 17:04.30 | jamesstanley2 | Can anyone help? |
| 17:04.37 | swampy | nice |
| 17:04.38 | dudeman | jamesstanley2, hm |
| 17:04.44 | dudeman | jamesstanley2, try #kde or #debian-kde also |
| 17:04.48 | jamesstanley2 | wtf |
| 17:04.51 | jamesstanley2 | they told me to come here! |
| 17:04.53 | abrotman | jamesstanley2: #debian-kde |
| 17:04.56 | dudeman | hah |
| 17:04.56 | jamesstanley2 | OK |
| 17:04.57 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:05.05 | berzerka | if i testing is my default-release, but i also have unstable reps in my sources.list, is there a way (i would expect apt-cache) to see from which repo the actual package is going to be installed? |
| 17:05.14 | jamesstanley2 | Also does anyone know how to switch channels in irssi? |
| 17:05.17 | abrotman | !tell berzerka about pinning |
| 17:05.21 | swampy | i cant even get kde to seperate taskbar window icons across multiple desktops |
| 17:05.21 | abrotman | berzerka: and that's not a very good iea |
| 17:05.22 | dudeman | jamesstanley2, #irssi |
| 17:05.22 | abrotman | idea |
| 17:05.23 | enouf | wonderful = www.AtirJavid.info This is the main content page which will default to news.php Copyright © 2008 www.AtirJavid.info W3C XHTML 1.0 W3C CSS |
| 17:05.32 | swampy | it lumps them all onto the same taskbar |
| 17:05.34 | abrotman | jamesstanley2: /win win# |
| 17:05.35 | dudeman | jamesstanley2, usually metal + 1-0 and q-p |
| 17:05.38 | amphi | dudeman: PAGER=/usr/bin/most ? |
| 17:05.40 | swampy | works in gnome |
| 17:05.45 | dudeman | amphi, you got it |
| 17:05.47 | dudeman | amphi, pin |
| 17:05.48 | enouf | do you even have a half a clue dudeman ? |
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| 17:06.00 | swampy | send something to desktop 2.. and it will still be on the taskbar and popup if i accidentally click it |
| 17:06.03 | dudeman | most + turn bold/underline into color using ~/.Xresources |
| 17:06.04 | amphi | enouf: you ask that? :) |
| 17:06.05 | swampy | that defeats the purpose |
| 17:06.09 | abrotman | enouf: don't insinuate he doesn't know what he's talking about |
| 17:06.10 | amphi | enouf: he uses kde... |
| 17:06.19 | amphi | dudeman: pon ;) |
| 17:06.20 | jamesstanley2 | dudeman: abrotman: alt+number |
| 17:06.20 | enouf | ... |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | jamesstanley2: that's another way |
| 17:06.28 | dudeman | amphi, most + turn bold/underline into color using ~/.Xresources |
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| 17:06.34 | abrotman | jamesstanley2: so is ctrl-p/n |
| 17:06.42 | swampy | only time i ever got that to work is if im using kde over ssh with fluxbox as the host |
| 17:06.46 | jamesstanley2 | Ah OK |
| 17:06.52 | swampy | i like using kde over ssh |
| 17:06.56 | swampy | but other than that i hate it |
| 17:06.58 | dudeman | *VT100*colorULMode: on |
| 17:07.02 | dudeman | *VT100*colorBDMode: on |
| 17:07.06 | swampy | if im runnin x over ssh ill usually run kde from fluxbox |
| 17:07.07 | dudeman | *VT100*underLine: off |
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| 17:07.12 | dudeman | thats pretty much all I did |
| 17:07.22 | christoz | any programming editor to suggest for debian stable? |
| 17:07.23 | berzerka | abrotman: i don't want to mix branches, i want to install solely the flashplugin-nonfree from sid. i know, it's crap, i don't like or support it. i tried gnash, it just doesn't work for me. are there alternatives to installing from sid? i'm on testing, and a backport exists only for etch. |
| 17:07.28 | dudeman | christoz, emacs |
| 17:07.34 | swampy | eclipse? |
| 17:07.39 | dudeman | christoz, fuck eclipse |
| 17:07.43 | swampy | hah |
| 17:07.45 | dudeman | bloated slow piece of java trash |
| 17:07.45 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:07.47 | amphi | dudeman: most uses colour for manpages here by default |
| 17:07.56 | dudeman | amphi, in console? |
| 17:07.58 | dudeman | amphi, or X? |
| 17:08.03 | amphi | both |
| 17:08.04 | coll | man.. e17 still under development hah |
| 17:08.07 | dudeman | amphi, most doesn't do that here by default |
| 17:08.09 | dudeman | debian lenny |
| 17:08.12 | coll | ridiculous |
| 17:08.15 | manu_hack | according to #475036, kernel-package wont be used anymore? then what will be the Debian way of compiling kernel? |
| 17:08.18 | amphi | leonard here too |
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| 17:08.23 | dudeman | manu_hack, linux-image |
| 17:08.30 | tymonn | dpkg: ati |
| 17:08.30 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 17:08.37 | enouf | runs Leopold |
| 17:08.39 | swampy | dont they have anything that can compile java apps into native code |
| 17:08.41 | tymonn | dpkg: radeonhd |
| 17:08.42 | dpkg | radeonhd is probably the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
| 17:08.42 | swampy | a good java compiler... |
| 17:08.47 | dudeman | !dpkg.web.search |
| 17:08.47 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg.web.search was A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
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| 17:08.51 | abrotman | berzerka: i'd say to just use dmm for that if that's all you want |
| 17:08.52 | dudeman | !msg the bot |
| 17:08.52 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 17:08.58 | abrotman | dude .. seriously |
| 17:09.29 | abrotman | how can you complain about someone not msging the bot .. when you never do it |
| 17:09.31 | dudeman | swampy, #eclipse ask em |
| 17:09.37 | christoz | and smth else please, is it safe to upgrade the etch version to Lenny? |
| 17:09.43 | berzerka | abrotman: hm. alright i might do that. but then again... there was a reason why i dropped dmm, which i do not remember, of course :) |
| 17:09.44 | dudeman | abrotman, I am telling him, not asking for myself |
| 17:09.45 | dudeman | DUH! |
| 17:09.49 | abrotman | no .. telling is |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | !tell dudeman about msg the bot |
| 17:09.57 | enouf | dudeman: why do you post thumbnails? :-P |
| 17:09.57 | manu_hack | dudeman: so no more compiling? |
| 17:09.58 | christoz | or should i choose the clean install method |
| 17:09.58 | swampy | eh |
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| 17:10.04 | swampy | i had bad things happen when i did a dist-upgrade |
| 17:10.07 | dudeman | enouf, because abrotman sucks |
| 17:10.07 | dudeman | ? |
| 17:10.09 | dudeman | I dunno |
| 17:10.14 | dudeman | :) |
| 17:10.15 | abrotman | christoz: some things in lenny are still broken .. but it's mostly usable |
| 17:10.16 | enouf | sheesh ... |
| 17:10.21 | swampy | you should make a clean install |
| 17:10.21 | dudeman | enouf, go to # #linux |
| 17:10.24 | dudeman | er.. ##linux |
| 17:10.27 | abrotman | swampy: why? |
| 17:10.39 | dudeman | manu_hack, what do you mean? |
| 17:10.43 | swampy | there will be tons of crap go wrong, it wont be clean |
| 17:10.45 | dudeman | manu_hack, emacs has a compile mode as well |
| 17:11.20 | dudeman | I need to adjust my msg levels |
| 17:11.24 | dudeman | window levels |
| 17:11.55 | swampy | and some how i got stuck with a g++ fstream library with a 2GB filesize limit |
| 17:12.04 | swampy | g++ in etch nor lenny have that problem |
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| 17:12.11 | swampy | but somehow when i dist-upgrade i got that heh |
| 17:12.24 | swampy | reinstalling didnt help |
| 17:12.43 | swampy | at least simulate it first before you actually do it |
| 17:12.59 | swampy | id rather make a fresh lenny install than try to upgrade etch |
| 17:14.10 | swampy | it will decide to remove a lot of stuff you have to reinstall later, mess up configs and fonts, it will just be ugly imo |
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| 17:15.28 | cyberjames | Hi, what is the repository address to locate and install the kpartx package? |
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| 17:15.58 | nichos | hello, I just installed cups. When I start it, it runs for a few seconds and then quits leaving the cupsd.pid file. There's nothing in the log files about why it's quitting, any ideas? |
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| 17:16.35 | swampy | kpartx is in the official repo in lenny at least |
| 17:16.44 | swampy | i have main con-free and contrib enabled |
| 17:16.59 | swampy | s/con/non |
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| 17:17.39 | enouf | If you don't have a sound card in your computer, you can include a driver for the PC speaker which allows it to act like a primitive sound card. This driver also replaces the pcspkr driver for beeps. <-- haha |
| 17:17.50 | swampy | haha |
| 17:18.02 | swampy | ive always wondered about playing actual audio over the bios speaker |
| 17:18.10 | swampy | is it possible |
| 17:18.19 | enouf | who the F would try to use their little piezo as a SoundCard .. hahahaha |
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| 17:18.31 | swampy | just because i can :D |
| 17:18.43 | jpinx | Is there anyway I can carry debian in some form on a USB stick which will boot in any computer? |
| 17:18.44 | enouf | talk about a 1920s AM radio O_o |
| 17:19.04 | swampy | my audigy 2 is nice though |
| 17:19.11 | swampy | that would be a serious downgrade.. |
| 17:19.17 | alisonken1 | is there somewhere on the system that says what version/release of debian is installed on a machine? |
| 17:19.19 | jpinx | strokes his 1950's AM radio fondly |
| 17:19.30 | swampy | i need a good am card |
| 17:19.30 | enouf | bah - my SBLive! from the curb whoops it's butt ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SBLive!bySpc.jpg |
| 17:19.35 | swampy | i have to listen to coast to coast in my car |
| 17:19.44 | enouf | Hardware DSP babay! |
| 17:19.49 | swampy | what else am i gonna be listening to at 3am on am radio... |
| 17:19.52 | jpinx | alisonken1: do uname -mrs |
| 17:20.14 | alisonken1 | hmmmm ..... not the same as 'uname -a'? |
| 17:20.23 | jpinx | nope |
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| 17:21.02 | enouf | jpinx: i bought a radio from (crucial radio? was it) some years back .. a digital AM radio ;-) with AM/FM weatherband and tv channels and such |
| 17:21.04 | alisonken1 | a subset of 'uname -a'? |
| 17:21.08 | swampy | i cant get the permissions thing to work in nautilus, sheesh, they cant even get that to work right |
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| 17:21.12 | swampy | ill stick with chown! |
| 17:21.16 | dudeman | enouf, send me a pm |
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| 17:21.31 | dudeman | damit |
| 17:21.34 | dudeman | its not working |
| 17:21.37 | alisonken1 | it looks like someone changed the kernel parameters on this one - it only shows 686 kernel, basically |
| 17:21.48 | jpinx | enouf: I used to have one of those "all over the world" radios - good get umpteen frequencies |
| 17:22.01 | jpinx | including the local police hehe |
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| 17:22.06 | swampy | lol |
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| 17:22.13 | eleckttruss | . |
| 17:22.16 | enouf | yep - those are nice |
| 17:22.25 | abrotman | !tell alisonken1 about version |
| 17:22.29 | swampy | and all those funky ordinal stations |
| 17:22.33 | swampy | terrorists relaying their plans hehe |
| 17:22.39 | eleckttruss | i have a intel core duo 64bit i dont know about what kernel i need to used for that |
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| 17:22.50 | eleckttruss | if i need amd64 o ia64? |
| 17:22.52 | abrotman | eleckttruss: either amd64 or i386 |
| 17:23.02 | eleckttruss | abrotman, is the same? |
| 17:23.12 | tombs | alisonken1: I thought wat you were looking for was: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:23.22 | jameswf-home | is there a DI channel? |
| 17:23.28 | eleckttruss | abrotman, i have amd64 kernel running really god but is a intel procesador |
| 17:23.38 | eleckttruss | ia64 is for intel? |
| 17:23.56 | abrotman | no |
| 17:23.57 | abrotman | not yours |
| 17:24.06 | swampy | how foolish of me ,to think that my aes implementation was as fast as openssl's, its like 20x slower haha |
| 17:24.08 | abrotman | it is for intel .. but you didn't mortgage your house to get it .. it's not ia64 |
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| 17:24.22 | swampy | at least i know it works properly |
| 17:24.29 | eleckttruss | abrotman, ok so i need keep amd64 kernel |
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| 17:24.31 | eleckttruss | thanks man! |
| 17:24.33 | abrotman | or -686 |
| 17:24.56 | ^paradox^ | ok i finally got the PC setup |
| 17:25.02 | kmeyer | amd64 is debian's way of saying x86_64 |
| 17:25.11 | abrotman | it's not just our way |
| 17:25.32 | ^paradox^ | when i installed debian to it it wasnt hooked up to the internet |
| 17:25.36 | eleckttruss | kmeyer, but amd64 will work better on procesador 64bit? |
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| 17:25.43 | eleckttruss | abrotman, Thanks! |
| 17:25.50 | alisonken1 | sorry for the confusion guys - it looks like I'm asking the wrong channel for the distro my boss is looking at |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | eleckttruss: not for everything .. if it's for a desktop .. i'd just go with -686 |
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| 17:25.54 | ^paradox^ | need some help with network configuration. not good at it |
| 17:26.04 | abrotman | !tell ^paradox^ about interfaces |
| 17:26.15 | eleckttruss | abrotman, is a laptop |
| 17:26.21 | enouf | jpinx: ahh .. couldn't recall the name - now i got it - http://www.ccrane.com/radios/index.aspx |
| 17:26.26 | abrotman | !tell eleckttruss about amd64 |
| 17:26.42 | eleckttruss | abrotman, so debian dont have any kernel for intel64 |
| 17:26.48 | abrotman | yes .. amd64 |
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| 17:27.05 | eleckttruss | abrotman, cool well is wird the name amd for a intel |
| 17:27.07 | eleckttruss | lol |
| 17:27.07 | kmeyer | eleckttruss: yes, you're set. |
| 17:27.17 | abrotman | eleckttruss: and pentium is a weird name too |
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| 17:27.23 | eleckttruss | kmeyer, abrotman Thanks man! |
| 17:27.23 | kmeyer | eleckttruss: that's why normal people call it x86_64. |
| 17:27.29 | eleckttruss | lol |
| 17:27.30 | kmeyer | enjoy. |
| 17:27.30 | eleckttruss | ok |
| 17:27.31 | abrotman | except .. most people :) |
| 17:27.36 | kmeyer | pff, debianistas |
| 17:27.45 | abrotman | it's not just us .. i'm not sure where you got that idea |
| 17:27.45 | eleckttruss | kmeyer, abrotman Thanks keep rocking and using aptitude lol |
| 17:28.00 | swampfrog | lol |
| 17:28.32 | ^paradox^ | i run ubuntu on here. it was hooked up to the internet when ubuntu was installed. everything was automatic |
| 17:28.50 | enouf | WiFi Internet Radio ??? |
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| 17:29.02 | jameswf-home | If i say the U word here will i get shot? |
| 17:29.08 | abrotman | only if you ask for support |
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| 17:29.12 | enouf | yep |
| 17:29.17 | abrotman | ^paradox^: is it a Debian box or Ubuntu box that is broken? |
| 17:29.37 | ^paradox^ | abrotman: debian |
| 17:30.01 | swampfrog | i like buntu if im running vmware guests, they have nice drivers setup by default |
| 17:30.13 | jameswf-home | technicaly looking for d-i help but dont know if the U people mess with d-i in their installer and frankly #u people arent that bright |
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| 17:30.19 | abrotman | yes they do |
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| 17:30.20 | ^paradox^ | ive got the deb next to me |
| 17:30.22 | swampfrog | actually im not sure about vmware on a linux host, but on windows at least it has a very seriously bug |
| 17:30.28 | enouf | kmeyer: em64t is a intel-ism, and amd64 came out with the 64bit extensions |
| 17:30.32 | swampfrog | where the mosue will not work right without vmware tools installed in the client |
| 17:30.33 | swampfrog | it sucks |
| 17:30.46 | kmeyer | enouf: hence using neither, x86_64 |
| 17:30.53 | enouf | x86_64 also encompasses itanium |
| 17:30.59 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 17:31.02 | enouf | kmeyer: no |
| 17:31.28 | swampfrog | but i havent tried the vmware version for linux host |
| 17:31.30 | abrotman | can't figure out if enouf or kmeyer is giving out more wrong informatoin |
| 17:31.35 | maligor | kmeyer, amd64 is a testament to amd's victory ;) |
| 17:31.47 | maligor | em64t is just a instruction set copy of amd64 |
| 17:31.58 | swampfrog | but on windows the mouse will hang.. like an invisible brick wall halfway across the screen that it cannot move past |
| 17:32.05 | swampfrog | until you touch the opposing corner |
| 17:32.06 | jpinx | enouf: cool radios - I like the wind-up one. Need a laptop like that ;) |
| 17:32.13 | swampfrog | then it will reset its paramaters |
| 17:32.14 | kmeyer | abrecus: lol |
| 17:32.20 | jameswf-home | has 60%/$0% success with intell but 100% success with AMD in linux |
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| 17:32.23 | kmeyer | maligor: that's one way to look at it |
| 17:32.41 | swampfrog | hopefully vmware running on a linux host does not suffer from that |
| 17:33.26 | swampfrog | but thats why i always ran buntu for vmware guests |
| 17:33.49 | swampfrog | i didnt feel like gettin vmware tools working in deb |
| 17:34.20 | enouf | abrotman: there's some mixed things about itanium and x86_64 that i can't quite pin down atm, but i'll revisit when i find it for you |
| 17:34.58 | enouf | abrotman: you know damned well i know about the separate ia64 arch .. that's not what i'm referring to |
| 17:35.03 | swampfrog | if i am getting a new cpu what should i be looking for in terms of features, virtualization extensions etc |
| 17:35.53 | enouf | but x86_64 is/was just a mere Documentation difference at this point |
| 17:36.04 | ^paradox^ | so if someone could help me get it it setup id really appreciate it |
| 17:36.13 | stew | ^paradox^: man interfaces |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | enouf: itanium is ia64 |
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| 17:37.10 | TuxCrafter | hi everybody, i am working here with vim in lenny and i am used to be able to paste text from one document into vim with insert mode |
| 17:37.14 | swampfrog | has anyone had good experiences running PaX under deb, i gotta rebuild my kernel for that right... joy |
| 17:37.19 | swampfrog | i just have to be paranoid... |
| 17:37.23 | TuxCrafter | but vim is indenting the text at every { |
| 17:37.29 | TuxCrafter | how can i disable this |
| 17:37.29 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: :set paste |
| 17:38.05 | ^paradox^ | stew where i gonna find that? |
| 17:38.15 | TuxCrafter | abrotman: perfect |
| 17:38.17 | TuxCrafter | thank you |
| 17:38.22 | TuxCrafter | how can i make this default |
| 17:38.32 | stew | ^paradox^: find what? |
| 17:38.39 | TuxCrafter | don;t know why they changed it... |
| 17:39.00 | ^paradox^ | is it a file or a command? |
| 17:39.41 | stew | ^paradox^: type "man interfaces" to get the manpage about how to edit /etc/network/interfaces, which is where network configuration lives in debian |
| 17:39.54 | ^paradox^ | kk |
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| 17:42.42 | abrotman | TuxCrafter: in your .vimrc |
| 17:43.34 | enouf | abrotman: i know, however ia64 is also x86 |
| 17:44.00 | enouf | abrotman: so x86<anything> is misleading |
| 17:44.07 | stew | enouf: no, ia64 is itanium, which isn't x86 compatible |
| 17:44.32 | enouf | stew: it;s not based on the x86 instruction set at all? |
| 17:44.46 | abrotman | enouf: no .. it can run x86 .. but it's slower than dirt |
| 17:44.53 | jelly | enouf: not at all. |
| 17:45.03 | abrotman | IIRC .. it cannot run amd64/x86_64/em64t |
| 17:45.11 | enouf | abrotman: right, that's emulation - ok, i stand corrected, my bad |
| 17:45.14 | stew | enouf: no, it isn't |
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| 17:46.28 | abrotman | oh .. apparently they dropped the hardware x86 compat stuff .. and run it in software now |
| 17:46.28 | ^paradox^ | ok i read thru it although i didnt really understand most of it |
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| 17:46.38 | peterius | xscreensaver modules don't seem to work with gnome-screensaver |
| 17:46.39 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium#Architectural_changes |
| 17:46.45 | peterius | they're in the list but screen just goes black, anyone know why? |
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| 17:47.03 | stew | ^paradox^: if there is something specific you don't understand, ask a more specific question |
| 17:47.34 | enouf | i had mixed up kernel-parameters that seemingly applied to ia64 only "swiotlb=". however, i've seen lkml kernel devs discussing it when talking about an amd64 boot issue |
| 17:48.01 | ^paradox^ | ok |
| 17:49.07 | ^paradox^ | if i were to reinstall debian with the machine connected to the network how complicated would it be? |
| 17:50.16 | enouf | either that - or it's mislabeled in the /Documentation |
| 17:50.21 | enouf | For example; http://search.gmane.org/?query=swiotlb%3D&author=&group=&sort=relevance&DEFAULTOP=and&xP=asus%09m3n%09h%09hdmi&xFILTERS=--A |
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| 17:51.02 | abrotman | thinks enouf reads too much |
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| 17:51.26 | aidy | does anyone know any tools besides checkinstall to correctly install stuff from source? i remember something, but I'm not sure if it was checkinstall or something different |
| 17:51.43 | enouf | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/430908/match=swiotlb |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | aidy: stow? |
| 17:52.33 | enouf | kernel params says [IA-64] only |
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| 17:53.32 | enouf | there's one other too aidy , can't recall it now offhand .. paco? .. hrm .. |
| 17:53.59 | aidy | abrotman: nah not stow |
| 17:54.10 | aidy | wait |
| 17:54.20 | aidy | basically i just want something that makes a debian package |
| 17:54.43 | abrotman | out of what? there is dh_make for perl stuff |
| 17:54.46 | enouf | debuild? i don't think it takes |
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| 17:54.54 | enouf | source code though |
| 17:55.16 | enouf | aidy: look in devscripts pkg for tools |
| 17:56.08 | egypcio | está away.. [away desde 14:56:09] [t7DS: pager/on, logging/on] |
| 17:56.13 | peterius | anyone know why gnomescreensaver would not work with xscreensaver modules? |
| 17:56.20 | aidy | ah thanks enouf :) |
| 17:56.47 | dudeman | hey alt+e in irssi doesn't work |
| 17:56.48 | dudeman | wtf |
| 17:57.37 | dudeman | I wonder who is taking this shortcut already |
| 17:58.31 | abrotman | !tell egypcio about away |
| 17:58.54 | simonrvn | try esc-e |
| 17:59.05 | dudeman | simonrvn, that works |
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| 17:59.13 | dudeman | simonrvn, its the alt key in kde taking something up |
| 17:59.17 | dudeman | meta works, just alt doesn't |
| 17:59.28 | dudeman | well, I mean meta is mapped to alt, but in E it doesn't work |
| 17:59.28 | abrotman | maybe you need kirssi! |
| 17:59.36 | dudeman | ugh |
| 17:59.42 | dudeman | I'm slowly converting to the console |
| 17:59.46 | dudeman | its so much more productive |
| 17:59.56 | TuxCrafter | what is the best way to sent a message to the syslog |
| 18:00.00 | dudeman | I am probably going to end up ditchign kde soon anyway |
| 18:00.02 | TuxCrafter | form a bash script |
| 18:00.11 | stew | TuxCrafter: with logger |
| 18:00.18 | stew | !tell dudeman about enter |
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| 18:02.09 | dudeman | I'm getting irritated now. |
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| 18:02.56 | Ejdes|Lap | hi |
| 18:03.19 | Ejdes|Lap | does anyone here know net5501 ?? |
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| 18:03.34 | enouf | abrotman: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.ia64/11600/match=swiotlb (as close as i can find for now) |
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| 18:04.26 | TuxCrafter | stew: thanks |
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| 18:11.01 | Jesse1 | hello everyone |
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| 18:13.47 | peterius | anyone know how to get xscreensaver modules working in gnomescreensaver per the FAQ? |
| 18:13.56 | abrotman | enouf: not really sure how that relates .. but okay! |
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| 18:14.26 | nios | hey! I have a big problem, i have two internalcard in my linux server now, eth1 works fine but dont eth2? |
| 18:14.59 | ptman | eth0? |
| 18:15.19 | nios | its internet |
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| 18:17.36 | snowrichard | hi |
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| 18:19.08 | keith4 | has anyone been able to build vmware kernel modules on 2.6.25-2-686 ? |
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| 18:20.42 | syntaxx | is there a way i could check the last login for the past few days? |
| 18:20.49 | peterius | last |
| 18:20.52 | peterius | 'last' |
| 18:21.05 | peterius | actually maybe its wtmp or some crap |
| 18:21.49 | syntaxx | peterius: yeah i know last.. but i think it has a limit |
| 18:21.54 | enouf | abrotman: all the kernel-parameters.txt of recent lore only mention it as a ia64 config option (when clearly it's not) - although i'm also finding things like "[X86-32,X86-64]" "[i386,x86-64]" "[IA-32,X86-64]" <== which are all the same |
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| 18:22.20 | peterius | syntaxx there's something about wtmp, some util to read that file or something |
| 18:22.38 | simonrvn | the limit is that month |
| 18:22.43 | peterius | also logs have authentication entries for all sessions I think |
| 18:22.45 | peterius | just in general |
| 18:22.47 | Ejdes|Lap | i have installed debian4 on a CF card, but grub can't find the kernel, when i boot the system... anyone know why? |
| 18:23.03 | enouf | the amount of inconsistent nomenclature varies upon kernel version |
| 18:23.08 | Jesse1 | can anything that is for debian etch, be applied to kanotix ? |
| 18:23.12 | gordboy | enouf: pm |
| 18:23.19 | enouf | gordboy: sure |
| 18:23.22 | Jesse1 | since kanotix is debian etch ? |
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| 18:23.56 | stew | Jesse1: kanotix isn't debian. for help with kanotix, please ask in #kanotix |
| 18:24.26 | Jesse1 | no, I am just asking a question, more is a doubt , don't asking for help |
| 18:24.52 | Jesse1 | since they say and argue that is debian |
| 18:25.03 | dudeman | what is debian? |
| 18:25.09 | Jesse1 | kanotix |
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| 18:25.15 | dudeman | its based on it |
| 18:25.15 | stew | Jesse1: please ask kanotix related questions in #kantoix ; kanotix is not debian |
| 18:25.17 | dudeman | but it isn't |
| 18:25.21 | Jesse1 | I know is not pure debian |
| 18:25.27 | jelly | !based on |
| 18:25.27 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:25.34 | dudeman | ey jelly |
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| 18:25.45 | jelly | hi Kyle |
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| 18:26.07 | Jesse1 | but my question is very simple, since is based in debian etch , can anything that works for debian etch should work on it , right ? |
| 18:26.15 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:26.16 | dudeman | jelly, ? |
| 18:26.19 | varney | hi all. is there a way on a dedicated server to make all its outgoing requests to other sites have the referer stripped so the site the server requests from doesn't see a referer header? |
| 18:26.20 | Ejdes|Lap | !based on |
| 18:26.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 18:26.23 | stew | Jesse1: ask #kanotix |
| 18:26.29 | Ejdes|Lap | ... |
| 18:26.34 | Ejdes|Lap | gentoo != debian.. |
| 18:26.41 | Jesse1 | I see |
| 18:26.46 | jelly | Jesse1: it's possible but we don't know |
| 18:26.51 | Jesse1 | ok |
| 18:26.57 | jelly | dpkg: typo |
| 18:26.57 | dpkg | hmm... typo is when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes, or rm -rf / |
| 18:27.03 | jelly | dudeman: typo, even. |
| 18:27.06 | ZZzz | hi,Error write /root/.nano_history: Read-only file system and i'am root,why this problem? |
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| 18:27.29 | simonrvn | ZZzz: read the error message |
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| 18:27.31 | Ejdes|Lap | ZZzz, try to run "mount |
| 18:27.31 | Jesse1 | have anyone managed to have wireless working on debian ? |
| 18:27.37 | jelly | hi Nyle |
| 18:27.47 | Ejdes|Lap | you will see that it says ro on / |
| 18:27.49 | jpinx | ZZzz: mount -o remount,rw,force |
| 18:27.52 | Jesse1 | I have a usb adapter , using rt73 |
| 18:28.07 | simonrvn | that's nice |
| 18:28.22 | Jesse1 | it recognuzed in mostly any distro ecept debian |
| 18:28.33 | simonrvn | that's nice |
| 18:28.56 | jelly | dpkg, kiss simonrvn |
| 18:28.56 | dpkg | smooches simonrvn on the neck |
| 18:29.02 | peterius | Jesse1, log back in with a different name and only talk about debian or go to #linux since its probably a kernel issue anyway |
| 18:29.04 | n3kl | well, flash whathaveyou chnaged from etch to lenny |
| 18:29.12 | Jesse1 | or better yet will debian have ndiswrapper some day ? |
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| 18:29.17 | simonrvn | ooooh *shiver* |
| 18:29.29 | simonrvn | that's nice |
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| 18:29.31 | peterius | Jesse1: ndiswrapper works right now, I use it on debian and it has nothing to do with debian per se |
| 18:29.38 | peterius | go to #linux and ask about ndiswrapper |
| 18:29.42 | peterius | or #ndiswrapper |
| 18:29.49 | keith4 | or #kanotix |
| 18:29.53 | peterius | right |
| 18:30.00 | Jesse1 | but I have installed debian etch on my pc and I can not use my wireless |
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| 18:30.11 | simonrvn | how wonderful |
| 18:30.14 | jelly | Jesse1: driver issues are often distro specific. Ask the channel for your real dsitro |
| 18:30.16 | Jesse1 | it shows only eth0 |
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| 18:30.28 | Jesse1 | this is for debian |
| 18:30.39 | Jesse1 | i have debian installed on pc |
| 18:30.45 | simonrvn | wow, installed debian that quickly, eh |
| 18:30.50 | Jesse1 | not |
| 18:30.52 | ZZzz | jpinx: mount -o remount,rw,force only command? |
| 18:30.53 | Jesse1 | I had it |
| 18:30.58 | simonrvn | amazing |
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| 18:31.12 | stew | Jesse1: why would you use ndiswrapper when a native linux driver exists for that card? |
| 18:31.18 | jelly | Jesse1: do we really have to go thru the motions of showing us your package and kernel versions, proving you're not using etch? |
| 18:31.26 | Jesse1 | but it took 20 mins to install the whole desktop |
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| 18:31.52 | Jesse1 | not now |
| 18:31.59 | jpinx | ZZzz: do sudo mount -o remount,rw,force /dev/foo |
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| 18:32.08 | Jesse1 | I am saying I have installed debian etch 4 and kanotix |
| 18:32.11 | stew | Jesse1: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:32.17 | Jesse1 | on my pc |
| 18:32.22 | enouf | jpinx: the command is mount -o remount,rw / |
| 18:32.27 | simonrvn | /ar Jesse1 *cough* |
| 18:32.40 | Jesse1 | see |
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| 18:32.54 | n3kl | What is the prefered way to get flash working in firefox with lenny? |
| 18:33.01 | jpinx | enouf - probably needs force as well ;) |
| 18:33.14 | enouf | n3kl: heh .. quitter! |
| 18:33.18 | jpinx | mounts with spurs ;) |
| 18:33.28 | peterius | anyone know how to get xscreensaver modules working in gnomescreensaver? |
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| 18:33.34 | Jesse1 | I will go and try to make wireless work in debian be back after a while |
| 18:33.36 | Jesse1 | :) |
| 18:33.44 | Jesse1 | restarting pc to debian :) |
| 18:33.45 | enouf | n3kl: anyway, do you mean firepoop? or iceweasel? |
| 18:34.03 | format_c | How do I add new fonts into X. I copied the folder into /usr/share/fonts/X11 but cant select it via xfontsel |
| 18:34.07 | format_c | ? |
| 18:34.21 | enouf | how about ~/.fonts ? |
| 18:34.32 | peterius | format_c you may also need to run some app to create a font scale file |
| 18:34.39 | peterius | or maybe that's just with java fonts |
| 18:34.50 | cahoot | what type of fonts? |
| 18:34.56 | n3kl | enouf: yeah, iceweasel |
| 18:34.58 | stew | n3kl: aptitude install mozilla-plugin-gnash |
| 18:35.14 | format_c | peterius: jep I read something about chkfontpath but I cant find such a executable |
| 18:35.16 | enouf | n3kl: i'm not sure - /msg dpkg flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 18:35.24 | n3kl | stew: that has all kinds of gnome deps though |
| 18:35.31 | format_c | cahoot: *.pcf.gz files |
| 18:35.36 | format_c | Dont know exactly |
| 18:36.03 | peterius | I needed ttmk_font or something once and I had to apt-get it |
| 18:36.05 | enouf | anyways - i feel like messing with some hardware and DVDs and shit .. |
| 18:36.18 | n3kl | enouf: yeah, I did. flashplugin-nonfree will not be included in stable fro here out, and the otehr two alternatives look like that rely on gnome |
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| 18:36.56 | stew | n3kl: i don't see any gnome dependencies |
| 18:37.03 | enouf | n3kl: ok, i think there are backports though for etch. no? |
| 18:37.14 | cahoot | format_c: mkfontdir and mkfontscale? |
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| 18:37.26 | enouf | n3kl: i know there's a bug report about all that |
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| 18:37.37 | enouf | n3kl: an informative one |
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| 18:38.16 | enouf | n3kl: erm, i guess i meant backports fot Lenny when lenny is finally released? |
| 18:38.42 | n3kl | stew: well, apt-cache show, does not seem to have thm, but if I go to install it, there are like 50 packages that need to be installed and a lot of them are gnome packages |
| 18:38.54 | n3kl | enouf: yeah, I am running lenny on this system |
| 18:39.01 | stew | n3kl: give me an example of a gnome package that it pulls in |
| 18:39.12 | n3kl | enouf: I did sorta forget that script though =] |
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| 18:39.38 | ZZzz | mount -o remount,rw,force /dev/hdc1 |
| 18:39.38 | ZZzz | Illegal instruction |
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| 18:39.42 | format_c | cahoot: I extracted the files hit the two commands within the extracted directory but the fonts does not apear in xfontsel. Do I have to restart X? |
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| 18:39.49 | ZZzz | same mount -o remount,rw,force /dev/foo ... |
| 18:39.57 | n3kl | stew: gconf2 gconf2-common gnash gnash-common gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data gnome-mount gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good ... |
| 18:40.16 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 18:40.16 | cahoot | format_c: try xset -fp rehash |
| 18:40.25 | simonrvn | isn't there a gtk-only gnash? |
| 18:40.35 | n3kl | stew: many more |
| 18:40.51 | abrotman | !depends gnash lenny |
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| 18:41.25 | simonrvn | *beep* <dpkg> Updating debian files... please wait |
| 18:41.31 | dpkg | gnash: depends on gnash-common (= 0.8.3-6), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1) |
| 18:41.34 | format_c | cahoot: sadly no difference |
| 18:41.34 | ZZzz | enouf: |
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| 18:42.12 | stew | n3kl: those are being pulled in because gnash-common Recommends: gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs not becuase of a strict dependency |
| 18:42.27 | pablo | hi, if a package has a dependency that shouldnt be there should i report it as a bug? |
| 18:42.30 | cahoot | format_c: see if debian reference has some info on this |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | pablo: such as ? |
| 18:42.48 | enouf | stew: but can he still install your suggestion withOUT pulling all those in? |
| 18:42.59 | n3kl | stew: well, shouldn't it recomend to me, rather than list for installation? |
| 18:43.01 | enouf | n3kl: i have the same issue with stuff like libdvd0 even |
| 18:43.13 | abrotman | n3kl: try aptitude -R install gnash |
| 18:43.17 | stew | enouf: yes |
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| 18:43.22 | pablo | abrotman: gedit and gnome-applets in gnome-core :P |
| 18:43.29 | enouf | omg - not the --without-recommends thing .. again! |
| 18:43.34 | stew | n3kl: Recommends are installed by default |
| 18:43.41 | enouf | checks his apt versions |
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| 18:43.51 | stew | which makes sense, if you read the definition of Recommends |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | pablo: uhm .. that's packager discretion .. you can file a wishlist against it to not install those .. but i wouldn't guess you'll have much luck (gedit is small) |
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| 18:44.14 | enouf | i don't use aptitude |
| 18:44.16 | n3kl | abrotman: ahh, thanks |
| 18:44.39 | bfremon | Hi. I filled a bug against xserver-xorg-video-intel, and I got a couple of questions... |
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| 18:44.49 | pablo | abrotman: where do i fill the wishlist? |
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| 18:44.53 | n3kl | so recomends of deps are installed by default, but not recomends for the package being requested for isntallation? |
| 18:44.53 | Computer | The linux floppydisk says Boot error. |
| 18:45.04 | abrotman | pablo: when you use 'reportbug' it will ask you what severity you want to assign it |
| 18:45.25 | bfremon | First, bugs.debian.org redirets to d.o/Bugs, and I can't find the option to search bugs by packege. Am I missing something ? |
| 18:45.35 | Computer | I can't boot from CD on this computer. It is older. It says "Boot from CD..." but then skips to the next boot device after a few seconds. It I do not set another boot device other than the CDRom it says BOOT DISK FAILURE. |
| 18:45.55 | abrotman | bfremon: bugs.debian.org/<pkgname> |
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| 18:46.10 | bfremon | abrotman: thanks ! |
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| 18:46.13 | Computer | The boot.img floppy gives me an error after displaying the name of the OS and the version "Boot error" |
| 18:46.15 | stew | bfremon: look at the second text input on that page |
| 18:46.37 | simonrvn | n3kl: no they don't get installed. only if explicitly set that way/requested |
| 18:46.55 | n-iCe | ÑEÑE |
| 18:47.07 | n3kl | simonrvn: it would apear that this is defatult though |
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| 18:47.19 | simonrvn | n3kl: default for what? |
| 18:47.23 | stew | yes, installing Recommends is the default |
| 18:47.33 | stew | simonrvn: aptitude and apt-get |
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| 18:47.54 | jameswf-home | anyone: debconf: Obsolete command TITLE |
| 18:47.54 | bfremon | stew: I forgot to connect my brain to my spinal column |
| 18:48.20 | simonrvn | aptitude yes it is, apt-get i don't know anymore |
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| 18:48.59 | n3kl | stew: thanks for the info. More of debian just came to light |
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| 18:49.39 | simonrvn | (now i know) |
| 18:49.44 | stew | actually i'm not positive that it is the default for apt-get, but it should be |
| 18:49.52 | enouf | Hrm .. i'm still at ii apt 0.6.46.4-0.1 Advanced front-end for dpkg so, IIRC, it's not until 0.7.7 that apt defaults to installing Recommends auto |
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| 18:50.06 | pablo | abrotman: from here? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=gnome-core |
| 18:50.20 | abrotman | !tell pablo about reportbug |
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| 18:50.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | pablo: note the one at the bottom .. "Will Not Fix" .. that's where i expect yours will end up . but go ahead and try |
| 18:50.55 | stew | enouf: is OMG actually in the changelog? |
| 18:50.59 | simonrvn | stew: last time i use apt-get was when 0.7 hit sid, and it seemed to me it didn't install them, but did suggest them in the text output |
| 18:51.05 | enouf | stew: haha - yep ;-) |
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| 18:51.20 | enouf | stew: you better not ask them to remove it ... |
| 18:51.23 | enouf | :-P |
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| 18:51.50 | simonrvn | not to self: when cloning something like /usr with rsync, do *not* use -v |
| 18:51.54 | simonrvn | note* |
| 18:52.05 | enouf | makes a note of simonrvn 's notes |
| 18:52.14 | n3kl | Well, thanks. Gnash is working without gnome |
| 18:52.24 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 18:52.46 | enouf | simonrvn: hrm, i just rsync'd over all of /share .. and made a symlink to it ;-) |
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| 18:53.09 | enouf | n3kl: wait until you hit any Flash 9 version |
| 18:53.20 | simonrvn | blink blink |
| 18:53.21 | blubberdiblub | enouf, hehe :) |
| 18:53.31 | simonrvn | bbiab, foodage |
| 18:53.34 | blubberdiblub | enouf, sound works, tho ;) |
| 18:53.34 | n3kl | enouf: gnash breaks? |
| 18:53.37 | enouf | i read up on that shit .. |
| 18:53.48 | enouf | n3kl: only works through all of 7 and a lot of 8 ? |
| 18:53.53 | enouf | some of 8? |
| 18:54.17 | enouf | i was considering using gnash as a plugin for my links2 - then found out |
| 18:54.47 | enouf | blubberdiblub: haha .. wonderful - we are making progress ;-) |
| 18:54.50 | n3kl | enouf: yeha, you might be a traitor if you used gnash |
| 18:54.52 | n3kl | =] |
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| 18:55.30 | enouf | n3kl: well, gnash is foss - so ok by me, although it still promotes the use of FlashCrapPoopShit |
| 18:55.32 | simonrvn | eh, killed it. just too much drag on the vt... |
| 18:55.52 | bfremon | I got a question about following up a bug : situation has improved, but I know have observed another problem in a slightly different situation, but the two problems can |
| 18:55.54 | bfremon | perhaps be related |
| 18:55.59 | simonrvn | removed -v |
| 18:56.01 | bfremon | Shall I fill two different bugs ? |
| 18:56.01 | n3kl | renames enough to "enouf: the anti-bloat" |
| 18:56.13 | enouf | heh |
| 18:56.15 | blubberdiblub | enouf, well, displaying of that videos got a bit better, too ;) well, at least it doesn't show zilch anymore. now it at least tries hardly to produce some garbled graphics junk ;) |
| 18:56.48 | enouf | that's good to hear .. hope they can keep up with all the new nonsense .. |
| 18:57.40 | n3kl | enouf: written any other whoopass anti-bloat scripts recently? |
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| 18:58.22 | enouf | n3kl: and stew - turns out libdvd0 has direct dependencies on gnome stuff, so the same (as in n3kl's case) doesn't apply |
| 18:58.27 | blubberdiblub | s/hardly/hard/ |
| 18:58.32 | enouf | just an update |
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| 18:58.51 | enouf | n3kl: not yet - gotta play with my new hardware toys now ;-) |
| 18:59.14 | n3kl | enouf: doing some of the same myself |
| 18:59.17 | enouf | n3kl: but i can't bring myself to close out all my open browser windows that i'm using/reading/reviewing .. :-( |
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| 19:02.56 | ESphynx | hi guys |
| 19:03.12 | ESphynx | anybody would care to test my ecere deb package? :) |
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| 19:04.26 | bfremon | is it considered good practice to confirm the observation of a bug ? |
| 19:05.37 | jelly | bfremon: if it seems obscure, or unanswered, sure |
| 19:05.54 | bfremon | jelly: ok thanks |
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| 19:07.29 | dudeman | hey |
| 19:07.33 | dudeman | how do I generate a /usr/share/dict/words |
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| 19:07.48 | dudeman | a software needs this file and I can't find it on the system |
| 19:07.57 | dudeman | apparantly its generated by some dictionary... |
| 19:08.19 | dudeman | or is it |
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| 19:11.33 | \amethyst | dudeman: install one of the w<language> packages |
| 19:12.06 | dudeman | oh wordlist pacakge |
| 19:12.10 | dudeman | ahhh I see |
| 19:12.59 | dudeman | \amethyst, is the list sorted? |
| 19:13.07 | \amethyst | dudeman: I believe so |
| 19:13.21 | dudeman | cool |
| 19:13.26 | dudeman | \amethyst, thank you very much |
| 19:14.06 | FreakGuard | hm, there are eth1 and eth2 - but no eth0 (?) |
| 19:14.13 | FreakGuard | how's that configured? |
| 19:14.25 | \amethyst | !z25 |
| 19:14.25 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | yeah .. like that! |
| 19:14.31 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: that might be involved |
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| 19:15.18 | eleckttruss | how can i install a kernel 6868? |
| 19:15.29 | eleckttruss | how can i install a kernel 686? |
| 19:16.29 | Eulex | eleckttruss, you install the appropriate kernel package? |
| 19:16.31 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, it was. thx :) |
| 19:16.34 | TuxCrafter | eleckttruss: apt-get install linux-image-686 |
| 19:16.35 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, how to reload dev? |
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| 19:17.10 | \amethyst | FreakGuard: Hmm... I'm not sure other than rebooting... udevtrigger might do it but I wouldn't count on it |
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| 19:17.24 | eleckttruss | Eulex, TuxCrafter Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-686" |
| 19:17.31 | FreakGuard | \amethyst, it's a vm anyway, so reboot doesn't matter :D |
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| 19:17.58 | eleckttruss | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental main and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 19:18.07 | eleckttruss | i dont have more repositories |
| 19:18.11 | Eulex | eleckttruss, what release of debian are you running? |
| 19:18.16 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:18.17 | TuxCrafter | eleckttruss: yes sorry |
| 19:18.21 | TuxCrafter | wrong terminal |
| 19:18.30 | eleckttruss | TuxCrafter, Eulex Sid |
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| 19:19.01 | Eulex | eleckttruss, if you can't even install a kernel, you shouldn't run sid. |
| 19:19.01 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: that will track the latest 2.6 kernel |
| 19:19.14 | eleckttruss | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 19:19.22 | TuxCrafter | eleckttruss: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:19.34 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: it's in sid main |
| 19:19.41 | TuxCrafter | for sid linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 19:19.49 | Eulex | eleckttruss, did you run apt-get update? |
| 19:20.19 | \amethyst | ah, I guess linux-image-686 does exist too |
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| 19:20.29 | \amethyst | yeah, sounds like you need an apt-get update |
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| 19:22.03 | funkyHat | I have a weird problem with etch, ssh (and possibly others) is reporting the wrong time for everything. |
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| 19:22.38 | nn64 | funkyHat, run ntpdate ntp.org |
| 19:22.49 | nn64 | or fix your time zone settings |
| 19:22.58 | funkyHat | date says 20:22:04 BST 2008, tail /var/log/auth.log has entries like 21:18:01 |
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| 19:23.40 | nn64 | well you stumped me ??? |
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| 19:23.51 | funkyHat | nn64: as far as I know my timezone settings are correct, perhaps ssh needs restarting after the timezone was changed? I haven't rebooted the server |
| 19:24.22 | simonrvn | don't need to reboot for that sort of thing |
| 19:24.34 | Eulex | well, but the ssh server might |
| 19:24.42 | Eulex | ... need a restart |
| 19:24.57 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 19:25.13 | nn64 | funkyHat, Well i suggest you run "/etc/init.d/sshd restart" on the server than |
| 19:25.28 | n3kl | Anyone have a good rsync+tar combination for backups? |
| 19:26.01 | funkyHat | Ok just restarted ssh and connected another client over ssh and the log is still an hour out |
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| 19:26.41 | nn64 | funkyHat, oh wait have you tryed hwclock --systohc |
| 19:26.47 | \amethyst | funkyHat: maybe your syslogd need restarted too |
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| 19:27.27 | simonrvn | n3kl: rsync and tar |
| 19:27.37 | simonrvn | :P |
| 19:27.45 | funkyHat | \amethyst: sysklogd do you mean (sorry not being funny, just making sure I'm restarting the right thing) |
| 19:27.49 | \amethyst | n3kl: I use just rsync, no tar |
| 19:28.27 | \amethyst | n3kl: that way I can use --link-dest to make full backups that use disk space like incremental backups |
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| 19:29.27 | nn64 | this is fun finally i can help people use debian, gentoo, and ubuntu. :) |
| 19:29.30 | \amethyst | funkyHat: yeah |
| 19:30.04 | abrotman | that was help? |
| 19:30.05 | abrotman | :) |
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| 19:31.36 | simonrvn | sysklogd should pick it up too by itself |
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| 19:31.44 | simonrvn | they all do AFAIK |
| 19:31.49 | funkyHat | \amethyst: fantastic, that seems to have done it :) thanks! thanks nn64 too :) |
| 19:31.53 | funkyHat | Now fail2ban works |
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| 19:32.59 | eleckttruss | TuxCrafter, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" |
| 19:33.18 | eleckttruss | Eulex, \amethyst TuxCrafter |
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| 19:33.29 | TuxCrafter | eleckttruss: apt-get update? |
| 19:33.38 | eleckttruss | i do |
| 19:33.42 | stew | eleckttruss: becuase that package is only in stable, and you are running unstable |
| 19:33.43 | eleckttruss | but is the same |
| 19:33.53 | eleckttruss | stew, im using sid |
| 19:34.03 | simonrvn | duh |
| 19:34.04 | stew | eleckttruss: yes, sid is the codename for debian unstable |
| 19:34.36 | TuxCrafter | reading back -->(21:19:41) TuxCrafter: for sid linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 |
| 19:34.37 | stew | eleckttruss: you want linux-image-2.6-686 if you want "whatever is the latest", or "apt-cache search -n linux-image" to find a specific version |
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| 19:41.06 | cyix | Linny? |
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| 19:46.29 | abrotman | ask uh .. #gnome? |
| 19:46.37 | abrotman | i didn't know it was gone either |
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| 19:48.44 | eleckttruss | stew, i have a amd64 instalation |
| 19:48.51 | eleckttruss | maybe this is the problem |
| 19:49.32 | stew | eleckttruss: yes, amd64 would not have 686 kernels |
| 19:49.53 | eleckttruss | stew, can u give your sources.list |
| 19:50.09 | stew | eleckttruss: why do you want mine? |
| 19:50.27 | eleckttruss | repositories |
| 19:50.35 | stew | eleckttruss: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 19:52.23 | eleckttruss | stew, i have a core duo intel 64bit procesador but i have problems with some software and i need to know if the kernel 686 will work in my laptop |
| 19:53.11 | coll | how about that google chrome browser |
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| 19:53.27 | simonrvn | off-topic |
| 19:54.14 | stew | eleckttruss: yes, a 686 kernel would work, but you'd have to also install the i386 version of debian, since the 32 bit kernel can't run with a 64 bit userland |
| 19:55.07 | eleckttruss | stew, so what i need to do? remove the kernel that i have and install other one? |
| 19:55.09 | eleckttruss | because |
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| 19:55.26 | stew | eleckttruss: no, you'd have to reinstall debian |
| 19:55.28 | Orbixx | How does one enable mod_rewrite when mod_rewrite.so does not exist in Apache? |
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| 19:55.40 | stew | Orbixx: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 19:55.45 | Orbixx | apache2 |
| 19:55.51 | stew | Orbixx: "a2enmod rewrite" |
| 19:55.57 | eleckttruss | stew, why? i cant used apt to install de new kernel and install new aplication? |
| 19:56.14 | stew | eleckttruss: you can't use apt to switch from amd64 to i386 |
| 19:56.25 | eleckttruss | stew, dammm |
| 19:56.28 | eleckttruss | feel bad! |
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| 19:56.42 | stew | eleckttruss: what is the problem you are having with amd64? |
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| 19:57.01 | Orbixx | stew: a2enmod does not exist |
| 19:57.58 | cahoot | as root? |
| 19:58.11 | Orbixx | yes |
| 19:58.25 | Orbixx | node1:/etc/httpd/conf# whoami |
| 19:58.25 | Orbixx | root |
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| 19:58.44 | \amethyst | Orbixx: is /usr/sbin in your $PATH ? |
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| 19:59.08 | firebird6191 | Could someone help me? My problem is, for example, when I start Epiphany, it starts in Work Offline mode, as does Evolution, The network manager icon has an "X" on it, however my internet is still working and I can browse Web sites, receive e-mails, etc. As of today, the network manager icon has seemingly disappeared. How can I resolve this problem so that programs do not start in Work Offline mode and so forth? |
| 19:59.08 | Orbixx | \amethyst: Yes, and said file does not exist in /usr/sbin |
| 19:59.10 | eleckttruss | stew, the software men is no like i386 i dont have all software like the other debian i think so i cant install skype by the same way |
| 19:59.20 | \amethyst | Orbixx: how did you install apache2? |
| 19:59.26 | eleckttruss | know i find a howto to install skype |
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| 19:59.49 | Orbixx | \amethyst: From source. |
| 19:59.51 | eleckttruss | how used kde 4 ? |
| 20:00.07 | \amethyst | Orbixx: then we won't be able to help you with your apache installation |
| 20:00.20 | Orbixx | I made no modifications. |
| 20:00.27 | \amethyst | Orbixx: you might be able to use it with the config from the apache2.2-common package |
| 20:00.37 | stew | no, he won't |
| 20:00.50 | newsense | eleckttruss: if ya find one let me know, my brother is trying to use skype on his debian box |
| 20:00.56 | stew | Orbixx: is there a reason you aren't using the debian apache2 packages? |
| 20:00.58 | eleckttruss | stew, but the 686 kernel support my procesador of 64bits? |
| 20:01.05 | \amethyst | Orbixx: unless you built from the Debian source package, your source is not exactly the same as Debian's |
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| 20:01.16 | eleckttruss | newsense, i have skype for debian64 |
| 20:01.18 | stew | eleckttruss: yes, you can run a 686 kernel on that processor |
| 20:01.52 | vampirefrog | hi guys. I just got a new mobo, and when booting debian (lenny with a 686 kernel, the cpu is intel), it gets stuck saying "waiting for root device" |
| 20:01.52 | eleckttruss | stew, but the 686 kernel support my procesador of 64bits? |
| 20:02.06 | newsense | eleckttruss: where did ya get it ? |
| 20:02.07 | stew | eleckttruss: yes |
| 20:02.28 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: it supports it, but it won't run in 64-bit mode |
| 20:02.31 | eleckttruss | 64bits is more fast that 32bit? like 686 and amd64 |
| 20:02.40 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: not exactly |
| 20:02.46 | eleckttruss | no? |
| 20:02.48 | eleckttruss | hum |
| 20:02.54 | eleckttruss | so what is better for me? |
| 20:03.00 | stew | eleckttruss: you can also install a 32 bit version of debian in a chroot and run the 32 bit software there under the amd64 kernel |
| 20:03.08 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: it can be faster for some workloads, but one disadvantage is that lots of stuff (pointers, e.g.) take twice as much memory |
| 20:03.46 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: If you need to run proprietary software, 32-bit is usually easier these days |
| 20:04.00 | \amethyst | otherwise, there's no real reason not to go with 64-bit |
| 20:04.19 | n3kl | eleckttruss: how much ram do you have? |
| 20:04.31 | eleckttruss | n3kl, 4gb ram |
| 20:04.49 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: you will need either the amd64 or the 686-bigmem kernel to be able to use all of it |
| 20:05.14 | n3kl | yeah, but he would lony loose 500!M |
| 20:05.36 | eleckttruss | <\amethyst> but i need to go into the kernel of 64bit and the the aplicacion os 32 bits will work with the other kernel so i need restar the computer? |
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| 20:05.54 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: you can use an -amd64 kernel with a 32-bit OS |
| 20:06.12 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: the -amd64 kernel can run both 64-bit and 32-bit code |
| 20:06.16 | n3kl | eleckttruss: x86 is far less painfull. If you are loading this on a desktop, you will just end up installing x86 later anyway |
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| 20:06.43 | Pavlz | hello |
| 20:06.55 | \amethyst | n3kl: right, but x86 with an -amd64 kernel won't cause as many problems |
| 20:07.19 | Pavlz | which pcmcia wi-fi is full supported by GNU/linux Debian |
| 20:07.36 | \amethyst | proprietary video drivers would be the biggest problem |
| 20:07.38 | TheBonsai | hi, an etch workstation doesn't mount NFS shares during boot, after a manual ''mount -a'' everything is fine though. the log says: "if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting" - any hints? |
| 20:08.12 | TheBonsai | in fstab, the entries are marked 'auto' and '_netdev' |
| 20:08.40 | \amethyst | TheBonsai: maybe a stale /var/run/network/mountnfs was left over somehow? |
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| 20:08.48 | eleckttruss | \amethyst, n3kl so i will keep this instalacion o i need install the regular one? |
| 20:08.53 | \amethyst | TheBonsai: if you delete it, do things proceed normally next boot |
| 20:09.04 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: what do you have installed right nwo? |
| 20:09.17 | Pavlz | which pcmcia wi-fi is full supported by GNU/linux Debian |
| 20:09.19 | eleckttruss | debian sid amd64 |
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| 20:09.58 | TheBonsai | \amethyst: i'll check that later - when i can reboot. i assumed it should be cleaned on boot, somehow (since it's useless to keep over a reboot) - ok, thx |
| 20:10.11 | \amethyst | eleckttruss: the Flash and Java plugins will be your biggest problem I think |
| 20:10.37 | eleckttruss | is kernel 2.6.26.1 amd64 (x86_64) |
| 20:10.50 | eleckttruss | hate 64bits rigth now! |
| 20:10.53 | eleckttruss | lol |
| 20:10.53 | stew | flash shouldn't be a problem, java is a problem |
| 20:10.56 | Pavlz | java is free software |
| 20:11.04 | Pavlz | flash is not free software |
| 20:11.06 | eleckttruss | well |
| 20:11.09 | Pavlz | use GNASH |
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| 20:11.22 | \amethyst | Pavlz: I haven't seen a working 64-bit java browser plugin |
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| 20:11.34 | eleckttruss | well |
| 20:11.34 | Pavlz | compile myfriend |
| 20:11.41 | \amethyst | openjdk doesn't seem to have a browser plugin |
| 20:11.41 | dudeman | neither flash nor java is a problem... |
| 20:11.42 | eleckttruss | jajajajajajaja |
| 20:11.43 | dudeman | not anymore |
| 20:11.50 | dudeman | \amethyst, u sure? |
| 20:12.04 | stew | there is gcjwebplugin which is working for amd64 (for some value of working) |
| 20:12.13 | dudeman | \amethyst, I'm on sid amd64 w/ nspluginwrapper for flash and gcj |
| 20:12.18 | dudeman | stew, thats the one. |
| 20:12.39 | eleckttruss | newsense, apt-get install ia32-libs lib32asound2 libasound2-plugins; wget -O skype-install.deb http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu; sudo dpkg -i --force-all skype-install.deb |
| 20:12.50 | dudeman | eleckttruss, no... |
| 20:12.52 | stew | !info icedtea-gcjwebplugin |
| 20:12.54 | dpkg | icedtea-gcjwebplugin: (Java plugin based on IcedTea and gcjwebplugin), section web, is extra. Version: 1.0+dak1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 204 kB |
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| 20:12.58 | stew | that one exists for amd64 as well |
| 20:12.59 | \amethyst | aha |
| 20:13.27 | eleckttruss | newsense, that is for Skype on 64bits |
| 20:13.34 | \amethyst | I was looking for 'openjdk' in the package name |
| 20:13.49 | eleckttruss | so 64bits is no a good idea, 686 is better for a desktop |
| 20:14.05 | \amethyst | I'd say stick with 64bits |
| 20:14.07 | dudeman | man I been on amd64 for like a year now, and I have absolutely no issues with anything |
| 20:14.13 | dudeman | exactly! |
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| 20:14.31 | eleckttruss | dudeman, do u used testing or sid? |
| 20:14.45 | eleckttruss | dudeman, can u show me your sources.list? |
| 20:15.36 | dudeman | I am using stable, testing, unstable, openbsd, xp pro x64, qnx, kubuntu, window 3.11 for workgroups. |
| 20:15.36 | eleckttruss | dudeman, so your 64bits is faster of the 32bit regular? |
| 20:15.57 | dudeman | its FASTER! especially now that its stable on 3500Mhz Core 2 with 4GB ram |
| 20:15.57 | eleckttruss | windows 3.11 in a 64bits? jajajaja |
| 20:15.59 | dudeman | :D |
| 20:15.59 | eleckttruss | lol |
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| 20:16.06 | dudeman | eleckttruss, not in a 64 bits |
| 20:16.15 | eleckttruss | i know but is funny |
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| 20:16.27 | dudeman | eleckttruss, I have a laptop from 1992...CompuADD machine, 25.33mhz 386, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd :) |
| 20:16.30 | lard-Vader | The network manager applet has spontaniously stopped detecting my device. |
| 20:16.36 | lard-Vader | dhclient works fine. |
| 20:16.44 | Pavlz | Sun begins releasing Java under the GPL BOSTON, MA — Wednesday, November 15, 2006 http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-welcomes-gpl-java.html |
| 20:17.18 | simonrvn | Pavlz: um, old news. |
| 20:17.34 | eleckttruss | dudeman, i hace a intel centrino core duo 2.0 64bits x2 with 2mg of cache and 4gb ram |
| 20:17.37 | Pavlz | and it is gpl |
| 20:17.45 | dudeman | 2mg? |
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| 20:17.51 | eleckttruss | and a ati radeon512mg |
| 20:17.55 | Pavlz | java was 64 bit many years ago than pc |
| 20:17.56 | eleckttruss | dudeman, of cache |
| 20:17.57 | dudeman | wow.. didn't know cache came in milligrams. |
| 20:18.02 | eleckttruss | dudeman, of cache for the procesador |
| 20:18.12 | dudeman | ;) just fucking with ya man |
| 20:18.15 | Pavlz | and i stupid that listen any person on chat |
| 20:18.28 | dudeman | 64bit has been around for a long time |
| 20:18.38 | dudeman | 128bit has been around for a long time too.. |
| 20:18.45 | lard-Vader | I have 4cm of cache |
| 20:19.01 | snowrichard | cm? lol |
| 20:19.04 | eleckttruss | dudeman, 128xbit is crazy |
| 20:19.24 | eleckttruss | dudeman, 64 bits TO! so 32 is cool! |
| 20:19.25 | eleckttruss | lol |
| 20:19.33 | Pavlz | lucky you |
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| 20:19.45 | lard-Vader | when do we get 256 bits? |
| 20:19.49 | simonrvn | wanders off |
| 20:19.57 | dudeman | eleckttruss, multisocket board + multiple boards + multicore cpus + gigabit ethernet + beowulf cluster |
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| 20:20.07 | Pavlz | i got a thinkpad t23 and i work fine to 32 bit |
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| 20:20.17 | dudeman | $2500 nets you a 20+ gflops mini super computer |
| 20:20.21 | Pavlz | why to go to 64 bit ? |
| 20:20.26 | dudeman | for 64 |
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| 20:20.31 | eleckttruss | dudeman, but 686 have more software |
| 20:20.33 | eleckttruss | or not? |
| 20:20.43 | dudeman | debian amd64 port is very very solid and very good |
| 20:20.46 | eleckttruss | on the regular repositories |
| 20:20.50 | dudeman | you won't be disappointed, trust in debian |
| 20:20.59 | dudeman | "In Debian We Trust." |
| 20:21.24 | eleckttruss | Debian is the best but but .... dammm 686 is more more something have more software on the repositoiors |
| 20:21.41 | dudeman | eleckttruss, what software in particular do you want to know exists for amd64? |
| 20:21.48 | lard-Vader | can anyone help me? |
| 20:21.56 | eleckttruss | dudeman, skype for example |
| 20:22.00 | dudeman | eleckttruss, you know you can always setup a 32bit chroot inside the amd64 system and/or use ia32 libs |
| 20:22.01 | Pavlz | in Richard Matthew Stallman i Trust my own personal GOD !!! |
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| 20:22.14 | stew | lard-Vader: have you tried /etc/init.d/network-manager restart ? |
| 20:22.17 | eleckttruss | dudeman i dont know how can i do that! |
| 20:22.17 | Pavlz | he has got a thinkpad t23 |
| 20:22.35 | dudeman | !tell eleckttruss -about amd64 |
| 20:22.46 | stew | eleckttruss: skype isn't in the debian repositories for either amd64 or i386 |
| 20:22.49 | Pavlz | and i bought used on e-bay after to have ask him if works fine |
| 20:22.52 | dudeman | eleckttruss, look at the amd64 howto, and also in the debian install guide on a debootstrap installation method |
| 20:22.56 | dudeman | !tell eleckttruss -about ig |
| 20:22.57 | lard-Vader | stew: now I have :) |
| 20:23.02 | lard-Vader | Doesn't work. |
| 20:23.08 | dudeman | !doesn't work |
| 20:23.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 20:23.23 | lard-Vader | I am unemployed. |
| 20:23.27 | eleckttruss | dudeman, well |
| 20:23.38 | dudeman | eleckttruss, its not as EASY but its a good setup |
| 20:23.55 | stew | eleckttruss: the amd64 port should have practically all the same software as the i386 port |
| 20:23.57 | dudeman | eleckttruss, if you don't want to bother with headaches and don't need amd64 then stick with x86 |
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| 20:24.01 | lard-Vader | I thought I said it before, "no network devices detected" |
| 20:24.05 | Pavlz | i stay to dinner to the ARA PACIS's Conference in Rome, where i live |
| 20:24.09 | lard-Vader | is the exact quote |
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| 20:24.36 | Pavlz | and on my thinkpad i got a GNU/linux Debian |
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| 20:25.00 | stew | lard-Vader: and this worked previously? or did it never work? |
| 20:25.03 | lard-Vader | It is weird because it worked before for so long, and then it just stopped detecting it |
| 20:25.21 | stew | lard-Vader: have you changed /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:25.25 | Pavlz | is a good hacker |
| 20:25.28 | lard-Vader | let me check. |
| 20:25.29 | dcestari | anyone running eclipse under debian lenny? I can't run lastest eclipse with any java vm! |
| 20:25.48 | lard-Vader | no. |
| 20:25.50 | lard-Vader | I am. |
| 20:26.01 | dcestari | lard-Vader: how? which vm? |
| 20:26.08 | lard-Vader | Both gcj and sun |
| 20:26.33 | dcestari | which version, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 20:26.37 | lard-Vader | np |
| 20:27.14 | Pavlz | i speaked of Richard Matthew Stallman |
| 20:27.16 | eleckttruss | ny big question is the procesador work fast in amd64 with all of the power the he has! in 686 he will work with all of the power to? |
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| 20:27.32 | Pavlz | i stay to the dinner with him the last year |
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| 20:28.05 | eleckttruss | dudeman, i need to install linux32 and then i can install software of 32 in my debian 64? |
| 20:28.22 | eleckttruss | E: linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 |
| 20:28.22 | eleckttruss | E: linux-image-2.6-amd64: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 20:28.22 | eleckttruss | E: linux-image-amd64: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 20:28.29 | Pavlz | to compile |
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| 20:28.38 | Pavlz | you must compile software |
| 20:28.42 | lard-Vader | eclipse: 3.2.2-5 sun-java6-* : 6-07-4 gcj:4.3.1-9 |
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| 20:28.48 | abrotman | Pavlz: stop spewing nonsense |
| 20:29.00 | dcestari | lard-Vader: so you use eclipse from debian? |
| 20:29.32 | lard-Vader | yes |
| 20:29.34 | Pavlz | i got too problems with dependencies, i solved on xchat |
| 20:29.45 | Pavlz | i got xchat gnome |
| 20:29.54 | lard-Vader | eclipse-gcj if that means anything |
| 20:30.35 | lard-Vader | stew: I have not changed /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:31.05 | stew | lard-Vader: i don't know then. you could try unloading and reload the kernel module perhaps? |
| 20:31.37 | lard-Vader | I am running an older version of the kernel, but this version worked before. |
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| 20:31.57 | lard-Vader | How exactly would I do that? |
| 20:32.11 | stew | lard-Vader: modprobe -r modulename ; modprobe modulename |
| 20:32.24 | lard-Vader | I know that, but I don't know the module names. |
| 20:32.32 | lard-Vader | I have no idea how it works. |
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| 20:33.50 | stew | lard-Vader: which card do you have? |
| 20:35.15 | abrotman | wonders why anyone would want to Vade the lard .. |
| 20:35.41 | TheBonsai | \amethyst: aye. the lock was stale |
| 20:35.41 | lard-Vader | wonders why anyone would want to vade the darth |
| 20:36.03 | screamingbytes | anyone use omni complete? with vim? |
| 20:36.04 | TheBonsai | \amethyst: buggy bootup scripts i'd guess - okay, thanks |
| 20:36.20 | lard-Vader | stew: How would I tell that? |
| 20:36.34 | stew | lard-Vader: how is it connected? |
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| 20:36.48 | screamingbytes | it doesn't seem to be in main/contrib/non-free is there different package name, or server to grab it from? |
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| 20:36.53 | lard-Vader | Ethernet card |
| 20:38.12 | lard-Vader | It's really strange that dhclient works fine, but the applet doesn't detect anything. |
| 20:39.32 | trosca | i an trying to install nvidia-glx on testing, but : it depends on xserver-common >= 4.0.3. it looks like only way is to cheat and get it from unstable ! |
| 20:39.34 | stew | lard-Vader: lspci should tell you |
| 20:39.54 | stew | lard-Vader: can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:41.21 | stew | xserver-common doesn't even exist anymore |
| 20:41.56 | trosca | !tell stew nvidia-oneliner |
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| 20:42.08 | trosca | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.26 | streuner | trosca: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 20:42.54 | dudeman | wow |
| 20:43.04 | dudeman | animated topic bar and statusbar in irssi kick ass |
| 20:43.33 | trosca | streuner: 2.7.13 shared |
| 20:43.51 | streuner | show us the whole output |
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| 20:44.27 | dudeman | GNU Emacs was written by Richard Stallman, the main author of the original TECO Emacs. |
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| 20:44.59 | Python1320 | ALSA lib ../../../src/seq/seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: Permission denied |
| 20:44.59 | Python1320 | damn |
| 20:45.00 | trosca | thats more|less it ! : ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library : Shader libraries |
| 20:45.27 | stew | Python1320: adduser username audio |
| 20:45.37 | Python1320 | stew, thanks |
| 20:45.50 | stew | Python1320: you won't actually get the new permissions until you logout and back in though |
| 20:45.58 | Python1320 | stew, kk |
| 20:46.06 | Python1320 | I've totally forgotten how permissions work in tux :s |
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| 20:46.11 | streuner | trosca: as stew already told you, xserver-common isn't even in stable or testing and unstable. How come that it wants that package then :-) |
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| 20:47.23 | trosca | streuner: i came here to ask that :( |
| 20:47.58 | streuner | trosca: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 20:47.58 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 20:48.04 | Python1320 | stew, one more thing. dolphin shows me my hdds but can't mount them because it has no permissions. Does this have similar fix? |
| 20:48.25 | grendal_prime | i just need a script that will create a user and password without prompting the user for the password information. |
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| 20:48.37 | grendal_prime | adduser will only accept an encrypted password. |
| 20:48.44 | trosca | streuner: that will be hard since i have no X yet |
| 20:49.03 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: perhaps you want chpasswd |
| 20:49.09 | lard-Vader | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.14 | streuner | trosca: how about to use VESA? |
| 20:49.17 | Python1320 | grendal_prime, --disabled-password ? |
| 20:49.18 | Python1320 | then passwd |
| 20:49.23 | Python1320 | or does that totally disable the password |
| 20:49.35 | grendal_prime | ill try the chpasswd |
| 20:49.54 | stew | Python1320: i don't know what dolphin is, you could list them in /etc/fstab with the user option if you want regular users to be able to mount them |
| 20:49.57 | lard-Vader | 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet (rev 91) |
| 20:50.09 | grendal_prime | cant loc passwd file? |
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| 20:50.25 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: lock or locate? |
| 20:50.26 | lard-Vader | http://pastebin.com/m11ee62db |
| 20:50.49 | grendal_prime | chpasswd: can't lock password file |
| 20:50.54 | stew | lard-Vader: which one isn'g working? eth0 or wlan0? |
| 20:50.59 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: and you're running it as root? |
| 20:51.04 | lard-Vader | eth0 |
| 20:51.04 | grendal_prime | yep |
| 20:51.07 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: is something else modifying /etc/passwd? |
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| 20:51.15 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: or do you have it open with vipw? |
| 20:51.22 | Python1320 | stew, it's just one file browser |
| 20:51.34 | Python1320 | It communicates through dbus afaik |
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| 20:52.10 | Python1320 | org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied |
| 20:52.16 | trosca | streuner: even with vesa i dont start X |
| 20:52.28 | Python1320 | .hal.device.volume |
| 20:52.33 | Python1320 | hmm, I'll check the config |
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| 20:53.05 | \amethyst | Python1320: for hot-plug devices, you must be a member of group plugdev to mount them |
| 20:53.14 | Python1320 | \amethyst, thanks |
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| 20:53.35 | Python1320 | I removed the user the setup created and it seems I've lost all default groups with adduser |
| 20:54.26 | christoz | Happy Birthday Gnu http://www.gnu.org/fry/ :D |
| 20:54.46 | Python1320 | btw, anyone tried chrome? :D |
| 20:54.48 | grendal_prime | ok i had somethign else reading it.. |
| 20:54.51 | grendal_prime | ok thats fixed |
| 20:56.42 | grendal_prime | here is what i need to do..its part of a package im building, in the post install scripts. Im adding the users dir via a binary and all of the files that are being put into it. I then need to creat the user and point there home dir to the newly created dir. |
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| 20:57.04 | grendal_prime | I can create the account, but the password id all jacked because im sending it as plan text. I need to encrypt it first..But i cant do that because this will be going to several different machines...Some clones that would have the right key pair, other not. |
| 20:57.04 | stew | lard-Vader: its becuase you dont' ahve "auto eth0" or "allow-hotplug eth0", read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 20:57.56 | stew | grendal_prime: why can't you hash the password first? |
| 20:58.26 | grendal_prime | then when i send it to the boxes they will be able to figer it out? |
| 20:59.15 | stew | grendal_prime: you mean they could brute force it? |
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| 21:00.13 | grendal_prime | no...ok the password that i creat and hash on box A will be put into a package that will be sent to computers b c and D. |
| 21:00.14 | centosian | hi, I just installed a new debian sid system. I'm used to using redhat distros. How do I enable the unstable tree in sources.list? |
| 21:00.42 | stew | grendal_prime: but the password woulnd't be put onto computers b and c and d, just the hash |
| 21:00.51 | grendal_prime | the package will be copied to the boxes, and then run as root..dpkg -i package.deb. |
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| 21:01.20 | grendal_prime | so any box can unhash that? |
| 21:01.24 | jd__ | hello |
| 21:01.24 | stew | centosian: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 21:01.25 | grendal_prime | how is that secure? |
| 21:01.32 | stew | grendal_prime: only by brute force |
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| 21:01.43 | jd__ | does 2.6.18 fully support hotplug eSata? |
| 21:01.59 | centosian | stew: no, I actually know what I'm doing overall. This is for a development test |
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| 21:02.04 | grendal_prime | ok...im loosing somthing in the translation of what i need to do here. |
| 21:02.25 | stew | grendal_prime: only by trying random passwords until they guess one that generates the same hash can they get the password from the hash |
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| 21:02.44 | grendal_prime | the package needs to create a user, a complete user account with a working login. |
| 21:02.45 | stew | centosian: "/msg dpkg mirrors" would get you a list of mirrors |
| 21:03.12 | grendal_prime | this package will be sent to 100 or so machines. |
| 21:03.16 | centosian | thanks stew |
| 21:03.42 | grendal_prime | we dont want them to have to enter a password for each one they set up. (possible fat finger 100 times then) |
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| 21:04.28 | stew | grendal_prime: so what is the problem? |
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| 21:04.32 | grendal_prime | but i cannot seem to find a program that will let me input in the package post install. a plain text password. |
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| 21:05.14 | jd__ | ok, what messages would i see in log to confirm or deny working esata hot plugging? |
| 21:05.23 | stew | grendal_prime: so you don't want the password to be set until after the package is installed? |
| 21:05.24 | centosian | stew: my current sources.list looks like this. What should I add to enable the unstable branch? http://rafb.net/p/wy0Eqd11.html |
| 21:05.33 | jd__ | !esata |
| 21:05.40 | grendal_prime | now if i hash the password. put that in the package, that would make sence, however when it gets to the machines, how will the new machine have the creds to decrypt the hash.. |
| 21:06.00 | larstr | out of old habit I deleted that udev networking file and expected it to get rebuilt upon boot, but it seems things are different in debian 5.0 |
| 21:06.09 | bfremon | is it possible to change the target dir of a deb package with dpkg ? |
| 21:06.15 | grendal_prime | if there is a way to do it with dpkg im down with that..i was going to do this with preinst but someone told me that was stupid.. |
| 21:06.16 | centosian | grendal_prime: I just dropped in, but generally you don't 'decrypt' the hash... you confirm it matches what you expect |
| 21:06.18 | larstr | I also tried dpkg-reconfigure udev but that was also a no go |
| 21:06.34 | stew | grendal_prime: why would you need to decrypt the hash? |
| 21:06.42 | grendal_prime | ok im confused |
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| 21:07.03 | stew | grendal_prime: linux doesn't store the plaintext passwords anywhere, it only stores the hash of the password |
| 21:07.10 | grendal_prime | My understanding was that useradd would not accept anything but an encrypted password |
| 21:07.14 | lard-Vader | Than you stew very much! |
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| 21:07.24 | centosian | can someone please tell me what I need to do to enable debian unstable? |
| 21:07.27 | SerajewelKS | is there a utility to undelete files from FAT volumes? my apt-cache-search-fu is weak today. |
| 21:07.29 | stew | centosian: you want to completely upgrade to unstable? |
| 21:07.35 | centosian | stew: yeah |
| 21:07.39 | Bushmills | centosian, faith |
| 21:07.49 | stew | centosian: man sources.list |
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| 21:07.55 | centosian | or, just for a few packages that aren't in stable yet |
| 21:08.05 | grendal_prime | the hash will work out on the other end automatically? |
| 21:08.14 | grendal_prime | how do i hash the password then? |
| 21:08.14 | stew | centosian: no, you shoudln't mix stable and unstable |
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| 21:08.19 | centosian | stew: ok |
| 21:08.35 | stew | grendal_prime: mkpasswd -HMD5 |
| 21:08.37 | bblum | hey all, what's the name of the package for tor? i've got non-free and contrib both enabled, and apt-get install tor gives nothing |
| 21:09.09 | stew | !info tor |
| 21:09.10 | larstr | if I do ifconfig eth0 I get Device not found |
| 21:09.14 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.2.0.30-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1176 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 21:09.28 | stew | bblum: its not in stable: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:09.42 | larstr | how can I fix networking again? |
| 21:10.01 | stew | larstr: does "ifconfig -a" list some other eth like eth1 or eth2 etc? |
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| 21:10.19 | larstr | stew: only the loopback adapter |
| 21:10.22 | grendal_prime | ok stew now im really confused... |
| 21:10.26 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.26 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.37 | grendal_prime | how is that not encrypting it? |
| 21:10.58 | stew | grendal_prime: it is encrypting it |
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| 21:11.53 | stew | grendal_prime: it is encrypting it into a form that can be used directly, it is encrypted in the same form that your passwords are encryped when they are stored in /etc/shadow so the machine installing the package doesn't need to decrypt it, just store it |
| 21:12.06 | bblum | stew: okay, sounds good, but why does backports.org not provide a gpg signature? |
| 21:12.06 | stew | larstr: you need to load a kernel module for your card, what card do you have? |
| 21:12.14 | stew | bblum: it does. see the instructions page |
| 21:12.44 | larstr | stew: it worked fine until I deleted the udev networking file |
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| 21:13.02 | grendal_prime | ok so mkpasswd username? |
| 21:13.13 | grendal_prime | and this salt business? |
| 21:13.22 | larstr | stew: on debian etch this file got recreated upon boot |
| 21:13.58 | jd__ | http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/2521/ |
| 21:14.11 | jd__ | does that look ok ^ thats what i get after i warm unplug my drive |
| 21:14.35 | stew | grendal_prime: no, "mkpasswd -HMD5 password" you can ignore the salt, and one will be randomly generated |
| 21:14.43 | stew | larstr: yes, it will be recreated |
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| 21:15.10 | larstr | stew: well.. that's what I thought, but in lenny it doesn't get recreated |
| 21:16.34 | jelly | stew: where did you pull -H from? |
| 21:17.01 | grendal_prime | ya that didnt work out so well |
| 21:17.02 | stew | jelly: my memory? hmm its not in the manpage? |
| 21:17.08 | jelly | nope |
| 21:17.22 | jelly | there is a -m though |
| 21:17.38 | stew | larstr: there is nothing to recreate it with, since you don't have any ethernet cards available until you load a driver |
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| 21:18.00 | stew | grendal_prime: why not? |
| 21:18.06 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 21:18.26 | stew | stevedondley: is there something we can help you with? |
| 21:18.49 | stevedondley | stew, no thanks |
| 21:18.57 | grendal_prime | just does not authenticate |
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| 21:19.27 | larstr | stew: how should I proceed? |
| 21:19.28 | grendal_prime | here is what i did... mkpasswd -HMD5 test |
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| 21:19.45 | stew | larstr: you should load a driver for your network card |
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| 21:20.17 | grendal_prime | then, useradd -p $1$3k/ErX8c$BSuPlImZ.VKu73.vqCmcO0 -m -d /home/myuser myuser |
| 21:20.30 | dustybin | how can one be confident that all the debian mirrors are secure as eachother? |
| 21:20.32 | larstr | stew: I tried modprobe pcnet32 |
| 21:20.47 | stew | larstr: does "ifconfig -a" list your ethernet card now? |
| 21:21.17 | larstr | stew: YES!! :) |
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| 21:21.49 | larstr | stew: nthe udev file is still missing... |
| 21:21.55 | stew | grendal_prime: you'd need to put the password in single quotes to keep the shell from trying to interpret the $1 as a variable |
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| 21:22.14 | grendal_prime | o |
| 21:22.16 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 21:22.26 | stew | larstr: does /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules exist? |
| 21:22.43 | larstr | stew: yes |
| 21:22.54 | stew | larstr: try running "udevtrigger" |
| 21:23.13 | stew | larstr: you may want to list pcnet32 in /etc/modules so that it is enabled when you reboot |
| 21:23.30 | larstr | no such file |
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| 21:24.19 | stew | hmm, i dunno what happened to udevtrigger |
| 21:24.20 | larstr | have added it to /etc/modules and rebooting now |
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| 21:25.52 | screamingbytes | Anyone know if "OmniComplete" or "Omni Complete" is in a package for deb? |
| 21:27.39 | larstr | stew: networking didn't come up automatically after booting |
| 21:28.26 | larstr | stew: and I still also lack that persistent-net.rules file |
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| 21:28.40 | larstr | networking comes up if I do modprobe though |
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| 21:29.05 | FreakGuard | what to do with a non-answering dhcpd3? (tcpdump tells me some pakages are inc, and INTERFACES is set right) |
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| 21:29.24 | n3kl | What do I need to install to get my softkeys working? I don't see any acpi logs that will tell me I am pressiung the key or something. What am I missing? |
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| 21:29.47 | FreakGuard | n3kl, xev? |
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| 21:30.07 | grendal_prime | ok that worked |
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| 21:30.15 | grendal_prime | although my shell is kinda whack |
| 21:30.21 | grendal_prime | but i can adjust that |
| 21:30.23 | dmoerner | n3kl, do you have acpi-support installed |
| 21:30.36 | grendal_prime | ill have to test it on another machine though |
| 21:30.53 | Zider | didn't know acpi could grab any keycodes.. |
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| 21:31.18 | n3kl | dmoerner: yeah |
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| 21:31.23 | grendal_prime | i still dont see how that hash is going to work on some compleatly different machine when pam goes to match it with the password the user gives..but ok whatever. |
| 21:32.09 | jpinx | not strictly Debian, but on etchnhalf, with low spec hardware (500MHzPIII &256RAM) what browser doesn't choke on java - like in gmails heavyweight page? |
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| 21:34.54 | stew | grendal_prime: when a user gives a password to pam, it hashes the password with the same salt and sees if the result matches |
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| 21:35.41 | infinity_ | in sources.list, how do you configure it so apt still works if the mirror listed is down? |
| 21:35.41 | grendal_prime | same salt hu...hmmm ok so iguess if someone was to get the hash..they still would not know what the password was. |
| 21:36.22 | stew | grendal_prime: if someone gets the hash, they have to try encrypting password after password until they get the same hash back |
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| 21:38.08 | stew | grendal_prime: the salt just makes it impractical to keep dictionaries of hash->password so that people can't just look up your hash to find your password |
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| 21:39.04 | FreakGuard | <1337> so-called rainbow tables </1337> |
| 21:39.05 | larstr | stew: udevtrigger has been replaced by udevadm trigger |
| 21:39.57 | larstr | stew: but even that command didn't regenerate my file |
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| 21:42.18 | stew | larstr: are you sure you are looking for the right file? the name changed from etch to lenny: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 21:42.21 | streuner | go into basement |
| 21:42.31 | streuner | that might help for laptops |
| 21:43.01 | streuner | laptops are usually warm, thats normal |
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| 21:43.24 | SiC | my laptop started to overheat |
| 21:43.40 | SiC | turns out the heatsink inside was chock-o-bloc with fluff |
| 21:43.57 | jpinx | regularly takes his laptop apart to clean the fan and cooling fins |
| 21:44.13 | SiC | the dell repair man did mine 8) |
| 21:44.18 | larstr | stew: yep.. that was the file I erased |
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| 21:44.41 | maligor | SiC, didn't complain about debian on it? |
| 21:44.49 | larstr | FoxM: maybe it's your cpu fan? |
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| 21:45.08 | SiC | dual boot maligor |
| 21:45.35 | SiC | certain dev tools i use don't like linux |
| 21:45.58 | maligor | like VC2008? |
| 21:46.01 | SiC | and the open source versions don't have anywhere near the power |
| 21:46.09 | macafe | I compress one file using this "${PGHOME}/pg_dumpall -p ${PGPORT} | $COMPACT -c > $DUMP" How I can decompress this file in var $DUMP? |
| 21:46.10 | SiC | yea and MPLAB |
| 21:46.36 | SiC | well VS2008, C# coding |
| 21:46.43 | stew | macafe: what is the value of $COMPACT? |
| 21:47.02 | macafe | gzip |
| 21:47.10 | macafe | stew, Sorry.. is gzip |
| 21:47.11 | stew | macafe: gzip -d |
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| 21:48.53 | FoxM | SiC: The fan was working a lot before the notebook turned off... |
| 21:49.19 | FoxM | I think I will have to open it and check the hardware... *sigh* |
| 21:49.50 | n3kl | Anyone know if its possible to filter ldap authentication by group membership |
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| 21:50.20 | simonrvn | you can do just about anything you want... |
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| 21:52.07 | FreakGuard | what to do if a dhcpd3 doesn't answer? :( |
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| 21:57.25 | petemc | FreakGuard: you have access to the machine running dhcpd? check the logs |
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| 22:01.09 | FreakGuard | petemc, which logs? (they're bot vm's on this machine here) |
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| 22:03.02 | petemc | FreakGuard: syslog |
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| 22:04.17 | tview | I am unable to connect to or ping http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/ from two machines at home though a shared router. I can ssh into another off site machine and can ping and connect to that site. What could be causing me to be unable to connect from either home machine? All machines running debian. |
| 22:04.44 | FreakGuard | petemc, hrm, appears to be a routing problem. thx :) |
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| 22:06.22 | FreakGuard | petemc, meh... how to name the route to delete? :( |
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| 22:07.51 | petemc | FreakGuard: you specify the route you want to delete as an argument to ip route del |
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| 22:09.29 | FreakGuard | petemc, how to specify the route? |
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| 22:10.05 | petemc | FreakGuard: read up on the ip command, its well documented |
| 22:10.20 | FreakGuard | well, just used ifconfig eth1 down, now the syslog tells met the DHCPOFFER is send by eth0, but there is nothing (tcpdump) |
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| 22:11.38 | grendal_prime | ok i think i got it worked out..but i believe i need to create the user a group as well. Now it says that useradd does this and that seems to be the case but i cannot for the life of me set the users primary group to the group that was created..and it does not get associated by default! |
| 22:12.02 | format_c | FreakGuard, how do you want to specifiy a route when you do not have a ip address on the desired interfice |
| 22:12.37 | grendal_prime | ive tried using the -g and -G options of useradd but i always get an error about the group not existing. |
| 22:13.01 | grendal_prime | ive tried using usermod and it does not error but still does not associate the groupe to the user. |
| 22:13.07 | FreakGuard | format_c, static ip on the server |
| 22:13.50 | FreakGuard | format_c, ah, well :) |
| 22:14.08 | format_c | Ah you are trying to set up DHCP server right. Sorry for bump'in in |
| 22:14.57 | FreakGuard | format_c, nevermind. that stuff just doesn't work :( |
| 22:14.59 | grendal_prime | damn it it acutally did ..i was looking at the wrong thing |
| 22:15.06 | grendal_prime | ok all done then |
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| 22:15.20 | grendal_prime | thanks stew that was making me fkn crazy |
| 22:15.30 | FreakGuard | syslog tells me there is a pakage sent. but tcpdump tells me there isn't |
| 22:16.00 | postgres | look at the code |
| 22:16.11 | format_c | OK you telling something about a routing issue? |
| 22:16.19 | format_c | what's about this? |
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| 22:16.50 | FreakGuard | just some stuff about the vbox |
| 22:16.57 | postgres | look at where it logs the exact message you're seeing in syslog, and look in that area to see what packets get sent |
| 22:17.19 | format_c | ah ok now I now where things come from |
| 22:17.34 | format_c | virtual environment |
| 22:17.42 | postgres | where do things come from? |
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| 22:19.19 | FreakGuard | sorry, but I don't have the hardware to test those things |
| 22:19.46 | FreakGuard | format_c, so any idea? :( |
| 22:20.19 | format_c | Ok what's your DHCP client? |
| 22:20.27 | format_c | also vbox? |
| 22:20.32 | FreakGuard | internal |
| 22:20.43 | format_c | internal? |
| 22:20.51 | format_c | asking loopback? |
| 22:20.54 | FreakGuard | 2 vbox machines |
| 22:20.58 | format_c | ah ok |
| 22:21.01 | FreakGuard | talking with eachother |
| 22:21.12 | format_c | and how is the network set up between the boxes |
| 22:21.13 | format_c | ? |
| 22:21.22 | format_c | bridged, NAT? |
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| 22:21.45 | FreakGuard | just choose "internal" with the same name... was reading the skolelinux doc instead of vbox doc :) |
| 22:21.48 | postgres | what's the current state of xen dom0 support in etch n a half? |
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| 22:22.20 | postgres | still need 2.6.18? |
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| 22:23.35 | format_c | If the two vboxes has each a Ip adress from the same subnet manually confgured, can then ping each other? |
| 22:24.10 | FreakGuard | ping doesn't work anyway (I was told) :) |
| 22:24.21 | format_c | Then it cant work |
| 22:24.45 | format_c | DHCP is based on L2 Broadcasts |
| 22:25.09 | format_c | So the DHCP server and client have to be in the same broadcast domain |
| 22:25.20 | format_c | or a DHCP relay is needed |
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| 22:25.38 | format_c | int between that translates the broadcast to a unicast |
| 22:25.55 | postgres | FreakGuard: I had used xen virtualization before, and ping worked just fine with the bridge |
| 22:26.33 | FreakGuard | format_c, I see the requests on the server with tcpdump |
| 22:26.40 | format_c | pinging with IP Adresses on the same IP subnet manually configured must work before |
| 22:26.53 | format_c | or a DHCP relay is in place |
| 22:26.59 | format_c | oh |
| 22:27.00 | format_c | ok |
| 22:27.15 | format_c | but no reply |
| 22:27.16 | format_c | ? |
| 22:27.32 | format_c | is the deamon listening on the port? |
| 22:27.38 | FreakGuard | syslog tells me there is a reply, tcpdump doesn't agree |
| 22:28.39 | postgres | format_c: catch me up, maybe I can save you some time... I won't be asking him for info if the replies are single-syllable tho |
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| 22:31.24 | ^paradox^ | i can only format floppy disks in dos format. the disk i used were brand new. help? |
| 22:31.36 | FreakGuard | jep, there is one listening on port 67 |
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| 22:32.27 | FreakGuard | and reading the syslog, he gets the request |
| 22:32.58 | ^paradox^ | possibly i need a driver for my floppy disk drive? |
| 22:33.06 | postgres | yeah |
| 22:33.13 | jaggz- | what app (preferably kde) reads RTF files? (other than openoffice) |
| 22:33.15 | postgres | but usually the driver is included |
| 22:33.53 | Zambezi | Anyone with experience of pop3scan? I want to filer spam on a "server", recieve from the server and be able to see rejected mail. |
| 22:33.54 | ^paradox^ | ok how can check what type brand my floppy disk drive is? |
| 22:34.38 | postgres | check your kernel config to see if the driver is there... look at your uname -r and look in /boot for the matching config |
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| 22:35.14 | jelly-home | ^paradox^: what other format would you prefer? |
| 22:35.28 | Zambezi | ^paradox^: hdparm -I unit ? Maybe dmesg too. |
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| 22:35.57 | ^paradox^ | i was wondering why i cant format in linux format |
| 22:36.08 | postgres | you can |
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| 22:36.19 | jelly-home | ^paradox^: what linux format exactly? ext2? minix? |
| 22:36.30 | amphi | ^paradox^: mkfs -t ext2 or whatever |
| 22:36.34 | postgres | the thing is... there's formatting and then there's writing a blank filesystem |
| 22:36.34 | format_c | FreakGuard, what is the dhcpd3 deamon? A IPv6 capable deamon? |
| 22:36.44 | ^paradox^ | ext2 thats what it listed |
| 22:36.48 | jelly-home | ^paradox^: it makes very little sense to use a complex filesystem on such a small medium |
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| 22:37.38 | ^paradox^ | its been giving me a little trouble with quick formats as well |
| 22:37.51 | FreakGuard | format_c, dhcpd3-server - I don't really know. |
| 22:38.13 | FreakGuard | format_c, but in the configs, there aren't any IPv6 |
| 22:38.21 | FreakGuard | ... addresses |
| 22:38.37 | postgres | FreakGuard: what subnets is the dhcpd3-server configured to serve? |
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| 22:40.47 | FreakGuard | subnet 10.0.2.0 netmask 255.255.254.0 |
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| 22:41.35 | postgres | you have 500 machines? |
| 22:41.49 | FreakGuard | no. that's just default config :) |
| 22:41.56 | format_c | $ date |
| 22:41.56 | format_c | Mi 3. Sep 00:41:39 CEST 2008 |
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| 22:42.03 | format_c | time to go to bed |
| 22:42.23 | FreakGuard | most likely :/ |
| 22:42.46 | format_c | n8 guys |
| 22:42.49 | postgres | ok, what IP range is the server configured to pass out? |
| 22:43.00 | postgres | n8 m8 |
| 22:43.21 | FreakGuard | something in there |
| 22:43.22 | postgres | don't be l8! |
| 22:43.48 | ^paradox^ | keeps returning error reading track #0 and /dev/fd0 is mounted. will not make file system here |
| 22:43.49 | FreakGuard | 10.0.2.100-10.0.3.254 |
| 22:44.26 | FreakGuard | well, shitonit. |
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| 22:44.45 | FreakGuard | let's get that thing working tomorrow (with a ssh-server on there :) ) |
| 22:44.50 | postgres | what IPs do the server and client machines have? |
| 22:45.42 | FreakGuard | server: 10.0.2.2 (conflicts with vboxsrv :( ) client: none :) |
| 22:46.06 | postgres | so there are two machines with the same IP? |
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| 22:48.51 | FreakGuard | on different interfaces |
| 22:48.58 | FreakGuard | but let's solve that tomorrow |
| 22:49.09 | FreakGuard | (or after-tomorrow) |
| 22:49.51 | Snadder | Anyone tried to install Aptana on debian? |
| 22:50.00 | ^paradox^ | its just strange is all. formats to dos in a snap |
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| 22:53.11 | ^paradox^ | i suppose its cool for now. gonna try the cd burner by copying an audiobook cd |
| 22:53.52 | postgres | FreakGuard are they connected on the bridge? |
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| 22:55.55 | postgres | I gotta go wander around... but you need to solve that first |
| 22:56.08 | postgres | make -sure- there are no machines with the same IP |
| 22:56.55 | postgres | if they're both connected but to two different interfaces, there is still potential for problems. |
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| 22:57.35 | estbash | can anyone help me with CUPS auth errors? |
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| 22:59.12 | postgres | if they know what the errors are, what you were trying to do when the errors happened, and probably version of debian and version of kernel would be helpful |
| 22:59.22 | postgres | without that info, the answer is no |
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| 23:00.17 | lindenle | can I list the serial ports on a amchine |
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| 23:02.15 | estbash | postgres: sure, fresh netinstall of debian lenny, using 2.6.22-3-486 kernel, just installed cups an hour ago, auth errors as in authentication errors, i cant print, i cant manage etc just complains, and ive tried root, ive tried manually adding my self to the lp group.. cups still wont print, and the error log is filling up with authenticaiton errors |
| 23:03.14 | estbash | cant print Unauthorized, cant manage settings Unauthorized cant etc Unauthorized as root or user it still complains |
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| 23:04.52 | postgres | estbash: that's a good start, I have to go to store like -now- but that will help... btw, the print server (cups) and the client on the same machine? |
| 23:05.21 | estbash | postgres: yeah |
| 23:05.37 | petemc | estbash: you can loosen up the settings in cupsd.conf |
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| 23:06.08 | jimisrvrox | in debian where would the A: be? I put a disc in and I figured it would popup on the desktop but no dice |
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| 23:06.30 | abrotman | jimisrvrox: mount /dev/fd0 ? |
| 23:06.38 | postgres | jimisrvrox: probably /dev/fd0 |
| 23:06.41 | estbash | petemc: hmm like what? im a bit of a noob here with cups |
| 23:06.58 | estbash | im looking at cupsd.conf right now |
| 23:07.01 | petemc | estbash: its not hard to read, its liek apache config |
| 23:07.25 | jimisrvrox | go there and it says block device.. |
| 23:07.31 | jimisrvrox | im guessing that would say that its a disk |
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| 23:07.58 | estbash | petemc: oh okay, but seriously though isnt something very wrong if root isnt enough to get past authentication? |
| 23:08.09 | postgres | estbash: that;s good, keep looking thru the file, some specific questions once you've seen something interesting would help |
| 23:08.27 | abrotman | jimisrvrox: did you mount the floppy? |
| 23:08.40 | postgres | sometimes root is specifically disallowed... but you're saying root and users alike get denied |
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| 23:09.26 | postgres | I gotta go before things close |
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| 23:21.58 | TehZorroness | Other then the package repositories, what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 23:22.25 | estbash | TehZorroness: id like to say debian is less bloated :) |
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| 23:23.07 | estbash | petemc: i checked the config and if you ask me, there isnt anything i can use |
| 23:23.25 | Wyzard | TehZorroness: Debian's release process is slower and emphasizes server-class stability; Ubuntu's release process is quicker and leans more toward shiny desktop latest-and-greatest |
| 23:24.35 | TehZorroness | ahh, I guess that makes sense |
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| 23:26.09 | petemc | estbash: it probably sould work out of the box, now that i think about it i only changed it so i could log in remotely |
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| 23:27.11 | warbo | /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 23:28.07 | estbash | petemc: hmm okay weird |
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| 23:28.41 | estbash | petemc: thanks though |
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| 23:30.24 | warbo | Anybody tried to use Erlang (for ejabberd) in Unstable? I've tried it on a few installations but it doesn't start (no output, terminal just says nothing until I kill it), and the crash log it gives is unintelligible to me |
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| 23:30.48 | abrotman | !bts |
| 23:30.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 23:32.16 | warbo | abrotman: there's nothing in there that seems relevant. I was wondering if I was doing a known-n00bish thing before reporting a bug |
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| 23:33.20 | abrotman | ah .. erlang .. the black magic |
| 23:33.20 | abrotman | :) |
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| 23:33.59 | Baloo | Question about update-manager |
| 23:34.16 | Baloo | How does it know which distribution to track? |
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| 23:34.28 | warbo | indeed, but ejabberd and openfire (which doesn't work either) are the only servers I know of that implement Jabber PubSub :( |
| 23:35.12 | Baloo | warbo: If you're having problems with ejabberd, you might try the MUC at ejabberd@conference.jabber.ru |
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| 23:35.37 | warbo | Baloo: Ah thanks, I'll give it a try :) |
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| 23:37.41 | Zambezi | How can I list usergroups? |
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| 23:38.15 | abrotman | getent group |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | or for your user? |
| 23:38.35 | abrotman | if for your user .. "groups" on the CLI |
| 23:39.19 | Zambezi | abrotman: abrotman Thanks. It was for root. I'm going to add myself so I can use PSQL. |
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| 23:39.32 | abrotman | uhm no |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | do it the right way |
| 23:39.59 | Zambezi | abrotman: And that is? |
| 23:40.03 | abrotman | su - postgres |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | then use 'createuser' to create your normal user in the pgsql system .. and give perms as you want |
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| 23:41.50 | Zambezi | abrotman: And which password is it? Not the user, not root. |
| 23:41.53 | theunixgeek | Is there a package available that has libgtk2.0-dev and all its dependencies in it? |
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| 23:42.43 | abrotman | Zambezi: you don't need one |
| 23:43.25 | abrotman | theunixgeek: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 23:43.40 | estbash | fresh netinstall of debian lenny, using 2.6.22-3-486 kernel, just installed cups an hour ago, auth errors as in authentication errors, i cant print, i cant manage etc just complains, and ive tried root, ive tried manually adding my self to the lp group.. cups still wont print, and the error log is filling up with authenticaiton errors |
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| 23:43.57 | Zambezi | abrotman: su: Authentication failure (with the given command). |
| 23:44.07 | theunixgeek | abrotman: a hello world GTK+ program |
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| 23:44.42 | theunixgeek | my Linux computer doesn't have internet access and instead of trying to download a bunch of dependency packages from os x, I want just one all-in-one package :) |
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| 23:45.17 | abrotman | Zambezi: su - postgres ? |
| 23:45.24 | dvs | theunixgeek: it's called a "DVD" ;-) |
| 23:45.29 | abrotman | theunixgeek: why don't you fix the intarweb ? |
| 23:45.32 | Zambezi | abrotman: Yes. |
| 23:45.40 | theunixgeek | abrotman: I've tried |
| 23:45.41 | abrotman | Zambezi: do you have a postgres user ? how did you install postgresql ? |
| 23:45.51 | theunixgeek | dvs: are the debian dvd packages compatible with ubuntu? |
| 23:46.00 | dvs | theunixgeek: no |
| 23:46.06 | abrotman | theunixgeek: then what's wrong ? |
| 23:46.06 | theunixgeek | :( |
| 23:46.09 | theunixgeek | oh well |
| 23:46.24 | theunixgeek | abrotman: I can't connect to the internet on my Linux pc |
| 23:46.29 | Zambezi | abrotman: From the shell as root. |
| 23:47.02 | abrotman | theunixgeek: that's vague .. |
| 23:47.04 | Zambezi | theunixgeek: And installing OSX-packages is just asking for troubles. Just try apt-cache search name |
| 23:47.08 | abrotman | Zambezi: and how is that? |
| 23:47.23 | theunixgeek | Zambezi: I'm not installing os x packages! :P |
| 23:47.34 | theunixgeek | I'm downloading the deb packages on my mac, which gets internet access |
| 23:48.05 | Zambezi | abrotman: Not sure what you mean now. |
| 23:48.25 | estbash | fresh netinstall of debian lenny, using 2.6.22-3-486 kernel, just installed cups an hour ago, auth errors as in authentication errors, i cant print, i cant manage etc just complains, and ive tried root, ive tried manually adding my self to the lp group.. cups still wont print, and the error log is filling up with authenticaiton errors EDIT: could |
| 23:48.34 | estbash | is CUPS the only way to print in linux? |
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| 23:49.13 | abrotman | Zambezi: aptitude install postgresql-8.1 or what? |
| 23:49.20 | Zambezi | estbash: Checked if you printer is supported? |
| 23:49.22 | theunixgeek | estbash: you can always write your own if you want :) |
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| 23:49.48 | estbash | Zambezi: yes sir A its on openpriting B it worked on unbuntu theunixgeek sure :p |
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| 23:50.11 | Zambezi | abrotman: apt-get install postgresql was what I installed. |
| 23:50.12 | estbash | Zambezi: my printer is added and fine tuned, it just wont let me print a test page |
| 23:50.15 | theunixgeek | :) |
| 23:50.33 | abrotman | Zambezi: is the postgresql server running? it should have created a postgres user |
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| 23:51.04 | Zambezi | abrotman: There's a postgres user, I can see if the deamon is running. |
| 23:51.04 | Kumool | is there a way to make the tty actually able to display a whole sentence :P |
| 23:51.22 | abrotman | Zambezi: every time i've ever done it .. |
| 23:51.27 | estbash | i dont want to go back to kubuntu just because of cups heh |
| 23:51.29 | Zambezi | estbash: Can you print a testpage from Cups? |
| 23:51.35 | abrotman | 'su' .. become root .. then su - postgres .. then createuser |
| 23:51.45 | estbash | Zambezi: no, my entire log is just a mess of authentication errors |
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| 23:52.31 | Zambezi | estbash: I had same problem earlier. It took me hours to solve it. |
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| 23:53.03 | estbash | Zambezi: damn :/ |
| 23:53.05 | Zambezi | abrotman: You're suggesting a user just for the db? |
| 23:53.11 | abrotman | Zambezi: not at all ... |
| 23:53.13 | estbash | Zambezi: heres my log http://pastebin.com/m443f4771 <-- how did you solve that? |
| 23:53.34 | abrotman | Zambezi: you 'su' to become root .. then 'su - postgres' to become the postgres user .. then "createuser <your normal user>" |
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| 23:56.18 | Zambezi | abrotman: That worked. Thanks! I'm not entirely used to Debian yet, but here you have more control cause you're doing "everything" yourself. No more sudo. |
| 23:56.57 | tyler2435 | could someone maybe tell me what /dev/dsp is? just curious. |
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| 23:57.34 | abrotman | !dsp |
| 23:57.34 | dpkg | it has been said that dsp is (Digital Signal Processor) A DSP is a microprocessor designed to work with analog signals such as video or audio that have been digitally encoded. The DSP then takes these digital representations and performs operations on them. DSPs are used in video, sound, and modem technology. Intel's MMX instruction set is basically an attempt to make the Pentium processor line capable of DSP operations. This follows Intel's theory of ... |
| 23:57.39 | abrotman | oh .. that wasn't right |
| 23:58.25 | Somni | /dev/dsp might be the interface to your sound card, depending on your sound setup |
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| 23:58.27 | abrotman | Zambezi: FWIW .. i'm pretty sure the docs cover this in /usr/share/doc/postgresql/ or whatever it is |
| 23:58.28 | amphi | tyler2435: it's a sound device used by OSS and ALSA OSS emulation |
| 23:58.35 | tyler2435 | ahh |
| 23:58.41 | tyler2435 | thanks :) |
| 23:58.54 | enouf | ok, i just went from an nv5 (agp2x,32M) to an nv11(agp4x,64M) using the xorg "nv" driver - what's the biggest improvement i should see? |
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| 23:59.10 | amphi | tyler2435: most things should use /dev/snd/foo these days (ALSA) |
| 23:59.21 | tyler2435 | right |
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| 23:59.35 | enouf | (i got a feeling this old tired 440BX Chipset won't do more than 2x AGP though) |
