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| 00:00.24 | jelly | oh |
| 00:00.29 | jelly | !nvidia lenny |
| 00:00.29 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 00:00.34 | jelly | that one? |
| 00:00.53 | linuxguy | netdaemon, i know its something like that.....but i need to see a liner and change the location.......thats all i need to see is a full line then i know where i should make the changes |
| 00:01.24 | linuxguy | jelly.......its step one......i need to see a full line what it looks like.......thats all |
| 00:01.38 | netdaemon | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ main contrib |
| 00:01.44 | jelly | linuxguy: copy the deb ... line with your debian mirror, replace deb with deb-src, and lenny (or testing) with sid |
| 00:01.50 | netdaemon | oh and non-free after contrib |
| 00:01.53 | netdaemon | for nvidia |
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| 00:08.03 | linuxguy | jelly.....thanks thats what i need i just cahnge the us to uk because thats where i live......thanks |
| 00:08.19 | linuxguy | BBL :)......having late dinner after work :) |
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| 00:10.59 | Webmind-org | How can i configure compiz ? |
| 00:11.15 | mdg | hello! |
| 00:11.24 | mdg | Anyone here use pure CLI debian? |
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| 00:12.12 | jelly | mdg: ask your real question, please |
| 00:12.23 | jelly | !anyone |
| 00:12.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 00:12.50 | peppe | ... what's "pure cli debian"? |
| 00:13.08 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | peppe, guess it has all the tainted cli's taken out ;) |
| 00:13.23 | Webmind-org | mdg, not on this box.......... |
| 00:13.31 | mdg | peppe - I am using a command line install of Debian etch - can't get GUI to work on G4 iMac |
| 00:14.12 | Webmind-org | mdg, apt-get install gdm xorg gnome or whatever |
| 00:14.29 | peppe | mdg: are you installing debian? |
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| 00:15.18 | mdg | Webmind-org, thanks. All the components are there, just haven't been able to tweak them just right |
| 00:15.49 | Webmind-org | mdg, see you back to tweak..... |
| 00:16.20 | mdg | tweak CLI - giving up on Debian GUI for now. |
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| 00:17.09 | jelly | mdg: so... is there a real problem you want to ask about? |
| 00:17.14 | mdg | Also having a problem with sound - I can't keep it setup, even though alsaconf says it saved the settings |
| 00:17.17 | Jemt | Greetz. How can Iceweasel (firefox) find out how to start Thunderbird? I have installed the official Thunderbird client, not IceDove. It's installed within my home directory |
| 00:17.36 | Webmind-org | If X won't start try to chabge ' vesa' to you graphics driver, lookup with lspci |
| 00:17.36 | Jemt | There have to be a reference some where |
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| 00:18.36 | mdg | Webmind-org, I have found a couple of posts about getting X working and tried them, but no luck |
| 00:19.11 | peppe | Jemt: maybe in the preferences you can set the application for handling the mailto: scheme |
| 00:19.15 | mdg | I'm learning a lot through CLI. I now have Screen starting with four programs running |
| 00:19.53 | Webmind-org | mdg, what's your xorg.conf ? |
| 00:19.58 | Webmind-org | !pastebin |
| 00:19.59 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 00:20.06 | Jemt | peppe: Oh, wait. There is an entry in Preferred Applications. Thunderbird made that entry. That explains everything :) |
| 00:20.48 | mdg | I have Linux Mint 4.0 on my Dell box, but I just think this |
| 00:21.01 | mdg | G4 imac is cool looking - gotta use it for something |
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| 00:21.23 | robinparker | how to switch between desktops? ctrl+1? |
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| 00:22.43 | Jemt | robinparker: Using Gnome? CTRL+ALT+Arrow-Left/Right |
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| 00:24.06 | robinparker | Jemt: thank you !! |
| 00:24.16 | Webmind-org | mdg, what's mint ? is it debian ? |
| 00:24.17 | mdg | I think its cool that GUI linux users can switch between programs by holding down the Alt key and pressing tab - you get a pop-up box of programs running :) |
| 00:24.52 | Webmind-org | mdg, i'm using compiz, and it looks awsome |
| 00:24.52 | Jemt | mdg: That's not new |
| 00:25.01 | mdg | Mint is an relative of Ubuntu (so I guess debian as well) with all the codecs etc all ready |
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| 00:25.21 | Webmind-org | You should try Debian etch. |
| 00:25.41 | Webmind-org | mdg, try is ise |
| 00:25.47 | Webmind-org | ise is use |
| 00:25.48 | mdg | Jemt, I 'm new to linux - just think its great you can do that |
| 00:26.06 | Jemt | mdg: What did you use before that ? |
| 00:26.43 | mdg | Jemt, you mean linux distro or do you mean to switch between programs? |
| 00:26.54 | Jemt | Never mind |
| 00:27.41 | Webmind-org | mdg, press Alt-F2 and run ' free the fish' |
| 00:27.48 | mdg | Jemt, used to be a mouse user only |
| 00:28.03 | mdg | free the fish? LOL gotta try it :) |
| 00:28.05 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, I'm here now... |
| 00:28.44 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.58 | Webmind-org | with the spaces |
| 00:29.00 | peppe | mdg: "GUI linux users"? alt+tab it's present in windows and mac since... well... hm... ever? |
| 00:29.49 | mdg | peppe - I knew about alt + tab, but not that if you keep holding tab down you get a little pop-up window in the middle of the screen with the programs you have running shown in it |
| 00:30.10 | Webmind-org | is it free swimming already, ps you must have gnome |
| 00:30.20 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.55 | Webmind-org | mdg, do you use gnome ? |
| 00:31.02 | mdg | oh, so free the fish is for GUI? |
| 00:31.10 | Webmind-org | yeah |
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| 00:31.46 | Webmind-org | you can also run ... gegls from outer space |
| 00:31.53 | mdg | Webmind-org, the machine I am using right now is strictly running command line because I cannot get GUI working, so sticking with CLI |
| 00:32.20 | Webmind-org | you should fix that |
| 00:32.38 | peppe | mdg: yes, that's present in windows too, since windows 3.1 ("CoolSwitch"). Live previews of the windows is possible only with compositing managers (mac users had quartz composer well before compiz) |
| 00:32.46 | mdg | Webmind-org, been trying for a couple weeks now |
| 00:33.29 | Webmind-org | search for your graphics card with lspci |
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| 00:34.09 | mdg | peppe, nobody ever told me about it before - one day I got lazy about getting my thumb off the alt key and up it popped - - always used just Alt + Tab one press |
| 00:35.01 | mdg | its a GeForce 2 nVidia (PPC) |
| 00:35.41 | Webmind-org | change 'vesa' to 'nv' in xorg.conf |
| 00:36.04 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.53 | mdg | Forgot what directory - etc? |
| 00:37.05 | Webmind-org | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:37.14 | mdg | thanks! |
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| 00:38.12 | mdg | good news, was already set to nv |
| 00:38.54 | Webmind-org | can you put xorg.conf in pastebin |
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| 00:39.21 | mdg | ??? I don't even know what pastebin is? |
| 00:39.29 | Webmind-org | !pastebin |
| 00:39.29 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 00:40.23 | mdg | If you can guide me from command line, I'll give it a shot |
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| 00:41.48 | Webmind-org | mdg, moment |
| 00:42.05 | Supaplex | what's the package that will show serial numbers of ram sticks? I can't seem to find it from <search> and I don't recall the name. |
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| 00:43.10 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, are you still here?........i was eating earlier.....sorry |
| 00:43.26 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, I'm about to go eat myself, actually |
| 00:43.34 | mdg | Webmind-org, I'm using links2 |
| 00:43.40 | Supaplex | hwinfo didn't find the sn's of the ram sticks. there's some other tool. |
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| 00:45.23 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, ok after eating will you help me with the nvidia prob I have with lenny please?..its a fresh install today.....i reformatted the hd and started agian because things with the drivers werent working properly :( |
| 00:45.41 | Webmind-org | mdg, i can't from CLI to pastebin........ |
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| 00:46.01 | mdg | oh, okay Webmind-org |
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| 00:46.42 | Supaplex | dmidecode! wahou. apt-file search decode | grep bin |
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| 00:47.14 | zythmer | mdg: Follow dpkg's <pastebin pipe> instructions. |
| 00:47.25 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:47.29 | Nyle | dude man |
| 00:47.53 | zythmer | Supaplex: I tried dmidecode. It doesn't display serial numbers on RAM for me. |
| 00:48.05 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, how do you eat yourself? |
| 00:48.15 | Webmind-org | !pastebin pipe |
| 00:48.15 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 00:48.20 | Supaplex | zythmer: that's okay. It's worked once or twice for me. |
| 00:48.30 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.33 | biopyte | folks, i have trouble with file transfer via Bluetooth. One laptop is running lenny, the other is an eeepc running some kind of linux. both have bluetooth activated, however neither of them recognizes the bluetooth device standing just next to it. I'm a complete bluetooth newbie, never used it before. any idea? |
| 00:49.00 | mdg | nope got a fata error |
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| 00:49.27 | Webmind-org | read the error |
| 00:50.02 | Hailsematary | hi to all, I would like to get detailed information about how apt handles gpg keyring management |
| 00:50.05 | mdg | fatal server error: Caught signal 11 - server aborting |
| 00:50.09 | Hailsematary | any one who can help? |
| 00:50.31 | mdg | hi hailsematary |
| 00:50.31 | wols | Hailsematary: ask a specific question |
| 00:50.34 | Webmind-org | !gpg |
| 00:50.34 | dpkg | hmm... gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available , now in main . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 00:50.50 | wols | mdg: that's not the actual causing error |
| 00:50.53 | Hailsematary | yep , sorry, let me get in details |
| 00:51.10 | Hailsematary | I add debian public key to my keyring, that's right? |
| 00:51.30 | mdg | fatal IO error 104 |
| 00:51.32 | Hailsematary | and when I say apt-get update, what happens exactly for the verification of this key |
| 00:51.41 | Hailsematary | btw I read this document |
| 00:51.42 | wols | mdg: pastebin your Xorg log since that's not either |
| 00:51.42 | Hailsematary | http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
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| 00:51.46 | wols | mdg: FIRST error |
| 00:52.21 | mdg | wols, would you know how to use pastebin from command line? |
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| 00:52.37 | Hailsematary | hmm, maybe my problem would be understanding the keyring part of gpg, I would have problems understanding it |
| 00:52.41 | up365 | biopyte, do both boxes have a "bluetooth manager" icon in the panel from which you access "preferences" . |
| 00:52.42 | wols | Hailsematary: apt checks with the public key if the data it gets from repos is signed with the proper key from debian |
| 00:52.57 | jelly | !tell mdg -about pastebin pipe |
| 00:53.01 | wols | !tell mdg about paste withoutx |
| 00:53.03 | wols | !tell mdg about pastewithoutx |
| 00:53.11 | wols | mdg: and youA've been told before how to do it too |
| 00:53.14 | Hailsematary | wols: yep, that's right, but I'm interested in more devel kinda stuff |
| 00:53.37 | wols | what "devel kinda stuff"? |
| 00:53.41 | Hailsematary | I mean how, through which steps does apt handle this |
| 00:53.43 | mdg | what is "pastewithoutx"? |
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| 00:53.59 | wols | mdg: dpkg just sent you a PM |
| 00:54.11 | wols | mdg: read that for a chnage |
| 00:54.23 | jelly | and that factoid is cut off |
| 00:55.26 | wols | jelly: not here. it is complete |
| 00:55.45 | jelly | ends with "..." for me |
| 00:56.10 | jelly | possibly a result of my client or a script |
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| 00:57.39 | jelly | thinks pastebin pipe is a lot easier than making someone install and use gpm or a textmode browser for the first time |
| 00:57.58 | jelly | ok, gpm isn't that hard :-) |
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| 00:58.12 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:58.14 | icedtea | how do you switch from gdm to kdm? |
| 00:58.27 | wols | icedtea: install kdm |
| 00:58.31 | Nyle | icedtea, update-alternatives can |
| 00:58.34 | icedtea | its installed already |
| 00:58.39 | Nyle | I forgot which one exactly |
| 00:58.44 | Nyle | check in /etc/alternatives |
| 00:58.58 | Nyle | should be maybe x-session-manager perhaps, not sure... |
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| 01:00.47 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.46 | mdg | Y'all have a good evening |
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| 01:04.31 | Webmind-org | mdg, have fun, you should try debian |
| 01:05.09 | jelly | icedtea: the simplest thing to do probably is to dpkg-reconfigure either of them |
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| 01:08.50 | icedtea | jelly: thanks |
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| 01:09.41 | nb9no9nr9 | evening all--i have a simple problem--how do i enable commandline autocompletion in etch? |
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| 01:10.59 | Pelto_ | sau viel los hier |
| 01:11.04 | nb9no9nr9 | it doesnt work in apt-get |
| 01:11.09 | meins | ich sehs |
| 01:11.21 | Pelto_ | #windows |
| 01:11.36 | Pelto_ | lol |
| 01:11.42 | Pelto_ | :-) |
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| 01:13.08 | miksuh | hmm I was going to upgrade my main computer from etch to lenny, but atptitude still complains about 32 conflicting packages... "can't find solution in allotted time" etc.. |
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| 01:13.14 | miksuh | well I can wait |
| 01:13.19 | miksuh | no hurry to upgrade |
| 01:13.21 | Webmind-org | !tell Pelto_ about windows |
| 01:13.27 | Supaplex | some packages whine after I use dpkg -i (limited network connectivity), I installed them, but it's unconfigured. How do I tell apt to configure the remaining unconfigured packages? I think I've installed all the deps ok. |
| 01:13.53 | Pelto_ | yes rigth |
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| 01:14.03 | Pelto_ | CPU[AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ clocked at 1000.000 Mhz] Kernel[Linux 2.6.26-5-generic i686] Up[-3:07-] Mem[-201.8/2024.1MB-] HDD[-1210GB(60%used)-] Procs[-139-] Client[Konversation 1.0.1] |
| 01:14.37 | linuxguy | abrotman, ........im a little curios here.....if you dont use nvidia for graphics....what card do you use please? |
| 01:14.52 | wols_ | linuxguy: he uses intel |
| 01:15.05 | wols_ | Pelto_: don't do this please |
| 01:15.10 | Pelto_ | ok |
| 01:15.15 | Supaplex | ahh. apt-get -f install. I love it when I recall answers to my own questions. |
| 01:15.23 | Webmind-org | Supaplex, do you know what pacjages are still not configures ? |
| 01:16.01 | linuxguy | abrotman, ....and do you get eyecandy as well? |
| 01:16.37 | Pelto_ | meins where are u? |
| 01:16.58 | meins | im here |
| 01:17.01 | wols_ | miksuh: pastenbin the full output |
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| 01:17.32 | Pelto_ | oh ok |
| 01:17.45 | [gloom] | hi there |
| 01:18.17 | jelly | Supaplex: or "dpkg --configure --pending", which is what apt-get -f install does among its own stuff |
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| 01:18.57 | [gloom] | I'm having some problems with famd.It eats my cpu to 100%, and when I copy files to my hdd, the system freezes (like when no dma option is set). Can I safely remove the service? |
| 01:19.10 | Pelto_ | meins:ich geh pennen nacht |
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| 01:19.20 | miksuh | wols_: okey, wait a bit |
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| 01:34.29 | miksuh | wols_: here it is |
| 01:34.34 | miksuh | http://paste.debian.net/14396/ |
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| 01:38.51 | wols_ | miksuh: either you have a very strange debian version or an awful debian mirror |
| 01:39.38 | miksuh | wols_: well this is quite clean etch installation from ftp.fi.debian.org |
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| 01:40.01 | miksuh | just some packages from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 01:40.26 | wols_ | sure but I don't believe for a minute that lenny misses all xserver-xorg-video packages |
| 01:40.29 | wols_ | just not gonna happen |
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| 01:40.39 | wols_ | and yes, the dmm files are broken too of course |
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| 01:40.47 | UD | hi |
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| 01:41.03 | UD | i just did an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 01:41.11 | jawnsy | is it possible to remove acpi from debian? it loads a bunch of modules that I don't need because it's running under a virtual machine |
| 01:41.16 | UD | is there a slicker way that really has advantage over that method? |
| 01:41.31 | jawnsy | UD: some prefer aptitude. and dist-upgrade might be better, instead of upgrade. |
| 01:41.47 | UD | aptitude just makes it graphical right? |
| 01:41.49 | wols_ | jawnsy: yes. also /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 01:41.49 | UD | no diff? |
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| 01:42.05 | wols_ | !tell UD about why aptitude |
| 01:42.10 | jawnsy | UD: well it used to be that only aptitude kept track of reverse dependencies, so if you installed stuff that you later removed, you could remove the dependencies too |
| 01:42.16 | jawnsy | UD: but I bleieve that was put into apt-get itself |
| 01:42.29 | jawnsy | wols_: thanks |
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| 01:43.25 | Stack0000 | hi! who now how to reconfigure language switching (Ctrl+Shift to Alt+Shift )? |
| 01:43.33 | miksuh | wols_: well i can try to change to another debian mirror, but I doubt it will change anything |
| 01:43.50 | miksuh | because ftp.fi.debian.org has worked wery well |
| 01:44.01 | wols_ | miksuh: don't dist upgrade but do it in smaller chunks |
| 01:44.09 | enouf | Stack0000: man setxkbmap ? |
| 01:44.29 | Stack0000 | in xorg |
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| 01:44.41 | enouf | Stack0000: if you mean reassign a keymap to do it, see your DE's control center/panel |
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| 01:45.07 | enouf | gah, more PM spam |
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| 01:50.02 | startr3k | in order for ssd to be effective, does the entire OS need to be installed on it? because i want to just mount my mysql onto my SSD drive , any ideas? |
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| 01:52.46 | macho | help |
| 01:52.46 | jawnsy | startr3k: I don't see anything wrong with doing that. just make sure you don't have disk caching on, because it could ruin ACID compliance (if you're using transactions) |
| 01:53.26 | jawnsy | startr3k: I'm not familiar on how SSD drives work in relation to normal hard drives, I guess there isn't any caching on flash |
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| 01:57.48 | startr3k | isnt the disk supposed to be one giant cache |
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| 01:58.48 | jawnsy | startr3k: it all depends on how you're planning to use it. I thought you meant you wanted to put a MySQL database on solid-state memory, but I imagine you can use it as a cache too (ie like ReadyBoost under Vista) |
| 01:59.15 | startr3k | well i want to serve my db on ssd |
| 01:59.20 | startr3k | so it'll be faster |
| 01:59.57 | jawnsy | startr3k: that's what I thought. so mount the ssd as a separate partition and put the database on there (mount it under /var/mysql or similar - can't remember the right path) |
| 02:00.21 | startr3k | hmm |
| 02:00.26 | jawnsy | startr3k: I'm not altogether sure it's a good idea for a db though, because ssd's are only designed to handle a certain number of write cycles before becoming useless |
| 02:00.42 | jawnsy | startr3k: and if you have a lot of inserts/transactions happening, you could hit that cap pretty quickly |
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| 02:00.49 | startr3k | supposedly has longer life cycles than hard disks |
| 02:00.56 | startr3k | which is good enough for me |
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| 02:01.14 | jawnsy | startr3k: that might be true on a per-drive level, but most people use huge RAID arrays where you can hot-swap failed hard drives anyway |
| 02:01.37 | startr3k | well i dont need a huge array raid to serve my site |
| 02:01.43 | startr3k | i just want a fast mysql db |
| 02:01.54 | startr3k | faster* |
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| 02:02.07 | startr3k | can i have two instances of mysql |
| 02:02.32 | blameless | heh, i just did away with sql on my site and use flat files |
| 02:02.32 | startr3k | so one mysql daemon loads off of my standard sas hard drive while the other loads off my ssd drive? |
| 02:02.45 | startr3k | is it possible to do? |
| 02:03.07 | jawnsy | startr3k: it's possible, yes, but I would recommend using table partitions if mysql supports it (postgres does) |
| 02:03.45 | jawnsy | startr3k: read the mysql docs for partitioning. basically it lets you put part of a table on a different drive, or whatever path you want. it should be trivial to do that for an entire database if that's what you want |
| 02:03.53 | jawnsy | startr3k: wait I think the term is 'tablespaces' |
| 02:04.12 | jawnsy | blameless: that doesn't sound very scalable. |
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| 02:05.00 | blameless | it's my homepage not slashdot |
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| 02:05.40 | jawnsy | blameless: shrug, you never know if you'll get hit with a lot of traffic, and flat-file databases can grow pretty quickly, or make your web site really slow (ie resulting in a denial of service) |
| 02:05.47 | startr3k | if i have two drives (SAS , SSD), if i combine the two via LVM into one volgroup, what would happen to the speeds? |
| 02:05.54 | jpinx | is thre a way to start an install of lenny on a seperate partition without cd's or floppies? |
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| 02:06.17 | jimisrvrox | hey guys idk why but my damn debian system has started running pretty slow..I have it on a pieceOS computer but when I first loaded it it ran pretty well..ima linux n00b but i would appreciate some help when you guys have some time |
| 02:06.28 | blameless | jawnsy: my vps can't handle mysql's massive ram hogging anyway so its a moot point. plus dokuwiki does pretty well :) |
| 02:06.28 | jawnsy | startr3k: I wouldn't recommend doing that. but the speeds in theory should improve. but if you're doing striping, then the failure of either one will cause a failure of the entire volume |
| 02:06.45 | jawnsy | blameless: mysql is actually tunable. read config files. postgresql comes with saner defaults. |
| 02:07.02 | jawnsy | jpinx: netinstall using PXE? |
| 02:07.04 | blameless | or i could just use dokuwiki which works out of the box ... |
| 02:07.08 | UD | crap apt-get upgrade is updating my kernel |
| 02:07.22 | UD | i just did a kernel compile this week and dont want to reconfigure |
| 02:07.25 | jawnsy | UD: it will keep your old kernel in case you need to switch back |
| 02:07.25 | startr3k | jawsny |
| 02:07.27 | jpinx | jawnsy: ouch - I'm no experet |
| 02:07.32 | startr3k | r u expert at LVM? |
| 02:07.34 | jawnsy | UD: yeah, don't bother compiling kernel on debian. |
| 02:07.36 | UD | its the same version though |
| 02:07.43 | jawnsy | startr3k: not at all. I'm an expert on nothing, just my thoughts |
| 02:07.54 | jpinx | jawnsy - how do I do that? |
| 02:07.59 | UD | why dont bother? |
| 02:08.14 | jawnsy | UD: well, why do you feel you have to recompile the kernel manually? |
| 02:08.23 | jberg | hmm, i just booted up debian lenny on my laptop on which i've had wireless working last time. but now it's not working.. in gnome the network manager doesn't display any wireless networks to choose from |
| 02:08.27 | UD | check out the new features |
| 02:08.35 | UD | and uh its a big menu |
| 02:08.35 | jberg | wlan0 doesnt display any connection |
| 02:08.48 | jawnsy | jpinx: I think you have to do a bunch of crazy stuff like set up a tftp server to push it (from a host machine) to this networked computer, and only if the motherboard supports those boots |
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| 02:08.57 | jberg | how can i troubleshoot/fix this? |
| 02:09.00 | jawnsy | jpinx: if you can remove the hard drive and put it in another computer, you can install it that way |
| 02:09.09 | UD | also why do i need support for things i dont need or want as a module |
| 02:09.33 | jawnsy | jberg: you probably need to find/install drivers for your wlan card? |
| 02:09.41 | UD | debian can't solve the problem(?) of having to make a decision |
| 02:09.45 | jawnsy | UD: rmmod the appropriate modules then. |
| 02:10.03 | jawnsy | UD: there is little reason to compile your own kernel, and it's just a huge pain in the ass. maybe you'd enjoy Gentoo :-P |
| 02:10.29 | jberg | jawnsy: well, i managed to do that when i installed debian, i thought that was permament |
| 02:10.39 | UD | its not a pain in the ass |
| 02:10.39 | jberg | i need the b43 module, but that is loaded |
| 02:10.56 | UD | gentoo is nice |
| 02:11.00 | blameless | UD: it really comes down to a trade-off of installing a ton of useless modules or spending a ton of useless time rebuilding kernels. usually broadband is fast enough the latter doesn't matter |
| 02:11.08 | jawnsy | jberg: hmm. I've only used ubuntu with wireless, so I can't tell you much. |
| 02:11.23 | blameless | jberg: did you install the firmware for b43? |
| 02:11.36 | jberg | i cant even remember what i did. but im pretty sure blameless |
| 02:11.40 | jberg | !madwifi-tools |
| 02:11.49 | jberg | !madwifi-install |
| 02:11.49 | dpkg | madwifi-install is probably ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 02:11.53 | jberg | i think i did that |
| 02:11.58 | blameless | but b43 doesn't use madwifi ... |
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| 02:12.08 | blameless | broadcom is another company |
| 02:12.12 | jberg | hmm right. then that was on another machine |
| 02:12.25 | UD | i do a menuconfig in about 20-30 min and i dunno how long it takes to compile i'd say about the same but who cares i do a make 2>&1 | tee make-log and go to sleep |
| 02:12.48 | jberg | but, if i have a broadcom chip, what would i do now to make wireless work? |
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| 02:13.03 | UD | after already doing this, why would i want debian to install another kernel |
| 02:13.35 | blameless | jberg: http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 02:13.40 | rznk | Hey guys. Newbie question. I am reading getmail's man page and at the bottom, it says to ' See the included files for |
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| 02:13.45 | rznk | oops |
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| 02:14.18 | jberg | thanks blameless |
| 02:14.39 | rznk | Shift insert tripped me up there. Anyway, there are the 'included files' with packages usually kept? |
| 02:14.43 | jawnsy | UD: new Debian kernel packages never overwite your old kernel. you will be able to select the appropriate version from GRUB's menu.lst |
| 02:14.58 | rznk | *where. |
| 02:15.13 | UD | thats good |
| 02:15.27 | UD | would be more good if it would have asked first |
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| 02:15.37 | jawnsy | UD: did you use dist-upgrade? |
| 02:15.51 | UD | no |
| 02:16.01 | startr3k | another question. lets say i just combined two drives into one volgroup, now i want to undo that. how can i do so? is it possible? |
| 02:16.03 | rznk | I am trying to setup getmail, but I want to do it via howtos and man pages on the system :) |
| 02:16.03 | UD | just upgrade |
| 02:16.10 | blameless | UD: when you built your kernel package you probably should have used debchange to add a custom version appendix to the kernel package version |
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| 02:16.46 | jawnsy | startr3k: try googling LVM's docs? |
| 02:16.47 | avu | rznk, dpkg -L package |
| 02:17.04 | avu | rznk, that shows you a list of all files installed by a given package and their location |
| 02:17.23 | avu | rznk, also, documentation/examples are usually installed in /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 02:17.36 | rznk | avu: Wonderful. Thank you so much. |
| 02:18.09 | jberg | btw, when i do ls, tab-completion, moving through bash history etc the pc is really laggy |
| 02:18.19 | jberg | takes a second or two every time |
| 02:18.28 | jberg | what could that be? |
| 02:19.01 | UD | debchange? |
| 02:19.01 | jberg | even typing on the terminal is laggy |
| 02:19.02 | rznk | I see a lot of documentation now. Thank you. I see gz'd txt files. Presumeably I do not have to unpack the archive to read them. |
| 02:20.56 | avu | rznk, many editors can open gz compressed textfiles and will unpack them automatically |
| 02:21.11 | avu | rznk, if your favourite editor doesn't, use zless for example |
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| 02:22.31 | rznk | avu: I am trying to learn to use Vim (correctly :)) Does that handle the .gz compression? |
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| 02:24.34 | rznk | Apprently not :) zless it is. |
| 02:26.02 | alex_mayorga | what's the version of debian with the most "current" packages? |
| 02:26.25 | alex_mayorga | is there an "in-flux" version of debian? |
| 02:27.25 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: 'unstable' => newest, 'testing' => older, 'stable' => oldest |
| 02:28.11 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: for a production environment, go stable and use backport packages if necessary. I personally run unstable because I'm ambitious. testing might be good too, as it's a slightly older/more heavily tested 'unstable' package |
| 02:28.27 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: thanks, where do I get a liveCD of unstable? I like to try it out |
| 02:28.27 | zythmer | rznk: vim.basic can handle *.gz files transparently but vim.tiny does not. What's your /etc/alternatives/vi setup for? |
| 02:28.50 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: might be easier to find a VMware appliance for it, and run it in VMware Player (free) |
| 02:29.30 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: how is running unstable ambitious? |
| 02:29.51 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: it could break [badly], and you'd have to figure out how to fix it |
| 02:30.09 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: personal experience tells me that this is rarely the case anyway [never for me] |
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| 02:30.25 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: that's what I like from time to time, so I get to know the inner working of all this |
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| 02:31.04 | rznk | zythmer: vim.tint apparantly. The /etc/alternatives/vi is just a symbolic link? |
| 02:31.31 | rznk | *tiny |
| 02:31.32 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: I'm coming from Ubuntu Intrepid, so I'm a bit used to breakage, but I'm a bit annoyed of some long existing bugs, so I'm considering jumping off of that boat |
| 02:31.35 | zythmer | rznk: Yeah, /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/<real file> |
| 02:32.21 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: I'd appreciate a liveCD to see how my hardware fares |
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| 02:33.07 | jawnsy | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/ - I believe you're looking for the 'sid' builds |
| 02:33.19 | jawnsy | I found that answer from Google, and you could've too :-) |
| 02:33.22 | rznk | zythmer: Alright. I will try redirecting that link in a little while. But first, man pages and example configs :D Evening of small pleasures :) |
| 02:33.32 | zythmer | rznk: update-alternatives --config vi # to easily display the alternatives and change it. |
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| 02:34.51 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: I try not to be google dependent as an experiment :) |
| 02:35.08 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: thanks a bunch on the link |
| 02:35.20 | rznk | zythmer: Learning so much at once :) Thanks |
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| 02:36.37 | rznk | zythmer: Apparently, only vim.tiny is available though. |
| 02:37.27 | enouf | install vim.full or whatever it is |
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| 02:38.14 | enouf | apt-get update ; apt-cache search ^vim |
| 02:38.26 | enouf | vim-full |
| 02:38.29 | wad | Can anyone here recommend a decent linux OCR program? |
| 02:38.35 | rznk | enouf: May I ask why there are two versions of vim? |
| 02:38.41 | rznk | Or rather, the differences |
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| 02:39.05 | enouf | rznk: that's beyond me, but i'm sure the devs know, and likely many discussions on lists.debian.org .. |
| 02:39.06 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: is this the right thing http://live.debian.net/cdimage/sid-builds/current/i386/ what's standard? |
| 02:39.16 | zythmer | rznk: The author of vim gave a google talk a while back on 7 tips for effectively using an editor (vim in this case naturally): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2538831956647446078 |
| 02:39.23 | rznk | enouf: Haha, just one of those things, huh? :) |
| 02:39.36 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:39.54 | alex_mayorga | zythmer: thanks on that one |
| 02:40.29 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: this kind of stuff can all be found on debian.org, you know. what do you mean by 'standard'? sid is unstable, I believe. |
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| 02:41.37 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: I know what's gnome, kde and xfce, but wonder what's standard on that page |
| 02:41.55 | rznk | zythmer: I will check that out. Thank you. |
| 02:41.59 | zythmer | rznk: vim.tiny is smaller and depends on fewer libraries. 724K vs. 1.7MB. Other than that, I can't think of a reason to use vim.tiny because it doesn't even support syntax highlighting. |
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| 02:42.48 | quentusrex | Is there a way to setup my own repo for my network? and control which packages are allowed into the repo? also have my own packages in it? |
| 02:42.58 | enouf | zythmer: wow - hehe - ~$ wget -P/tmp/google-videos/vim "http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0&secureurl=QwAAAD2U_lbtbpkJqTN5PXG96_EXPBJlNVZ-OHQ-l95lMwrQq65WHsKLz7Ve1kGsdIUHYhG6_YhEkqFD167DhCWtMW36rxRBpqw4tmdvulLwtAzS&sigh=onxXu7lOMySTp_yrGkm6jjfJmfU" |
| 02:43.20 | enouf | Length: 238,372,439 (227M) [video/mp4] |
| 02:44.28 | quentusrex | lol |
| 02:44.36 | quentusrex | didn't realize I pressed the up key and enter |
| 02:44.42 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: that'd have to do with how the livecd was packaged. I'm sure they have docs on that site somewhere |
| 02:44.49 | miksuh | wols_: I changed repository from ftp.fi.debian.org to ftp.se.debian.org... I get exactly same result, so it has nothing to do with finnish debian mirror |
| 02:45.34 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: thanks, I'm of to read all that I find, really appreciated your help and excuse me if it got annoying =) |
| 02:45.57 | zythmer | enouf: Yeah, it's 80 minutes. You may want to check out clive. It's the best tool I have found thus far for youtube/google videos. |
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| 02:46.28 | enouf | google has slow servers O_O 227.74K/s |
| 02:46.56 | enouf | i have a 15/2 line here - and i've seen 1.7M d/l on this line :-P |
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| 02:47.26 | enouf | zythmer: /msg dpkg youtube script ;-) |
| 02:47.38 | miksuh | wols_: And I did get same result when I tried to upgrade my test computer from etch to lenny |
| 02:48.00 | jawnsy | alex_mayorga: you're welcome, I don't mind, it's just a bit frustrating because I'm only giving you what I can get from a cursory search of Google. you could do it yourself. I don't have experience with any of the things you asked about |
| 02:48.19 | enouf | i just have to find the correct streaming url for this nonsense now. That url isnt working as a live stream - no biggy, i d/l and watch ;-) |
| 02:48.32 | mlLK | anyone know what the char 'A' in the 2nd column means in aptitude? |
| 02:49.08 | zythmer | enouf: Yeah, same here (download and watch). 'clive http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2538831956647446078' is all you need to type to fetch it. |
| 02:49.14 | gkffjcs_ | is there anyone who can help me setup my bridge? |
| 02:49.22 | alex_mayorga | jawnsy: I guess google should work on an IRC bot =) |
| 02:49.33 | gkffjcs_ | eth0 to tap0 |
| 02:49.36 | zythmer | mlLK: automatically installed dependency. |
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| 02:50.23 | enouf | unfortunately if it's in ShockShit format, it won't play - i'll see in a few minutes though |
| 02:50.31 | mlLK | zythmer, k thx |
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| 02:51.11 | enouf | zythmer: oh, no, the one i'm d/l directly is in mp4 format - so that's cool - i meant LiveStream |
| 02:51.42 | mlLK | there should be a #man channel |
| 02:52.10 | enouf | zythmer: no ShockTheMonkeyDumbassLugnutFools crap allowed here ;-) also, no Bloated Browsers and all their plugins and extensions allowed |
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| 02:54.02 | zythmer | mlLK: The aptitude man page leaves out a lot of necessary information if you want to make good use of it (especially for searching). The aptitude-doc-en package has an HTML manual with the details. |
| 02:55.15 | mlLK | zythmer, yah, aptitude really just seems like a streamlined UI for dpkg |
| 02:55.30 | enouf | or alter the -en to your favorite <CC> |
| 02:56.30 | enouf | 334.51K/s dang, this is some slow crap for (one of the) the worlds largest databases and servers :-P |
| 02:56.56 | mlLK | zythmer, but thx that package tip |
| 02:57.26 | zythmer | mlLK: It's more than just an UI. dpkg's factoid on 'why aptitude' lists the advantages. |
| 02:57.28 | mlLK | enouf, what country? |
| 02:57.59 | enouf | mlLK: whichever you want |
| 02:58.02 | mlLK | factoid? is that an option? |
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| 02:58.25 | zythmer | mlLK: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 02:58.31 | zythmer | dpkg the bot, not the program |
| 02:58.31 | dpkg | zythmer: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:58.33 | mlLK | enouf, what is one of the world's largest db? |
| 02:58.42 | enouf | mlLK: oh, google |
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| 02:59.34 | alex_mayorga | enouf: they might have immense computer power, but not yet a massive internet "tube" not yet at least |
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| 03:01.27 | enouf | haha @ ~$ mv /tmp/google-videos/vim/"videodownload?version=0&secureurl=QwAAAD2U_lbtbpkJqTN5PXG96_EXPBJlNVZ-OHQ-l95lMwrQq65WHsKLz7Ve1kGsdIUHYhG6_YhEkqFD167DhCWtMW36rxRBpqw4tmdvulLwtAzS&sigh=onxXu7lOMySTp_yrGkm6jjfJmfU&rdc=1" /tmp/google-videos/vim/vim-talk-2007.mp4 |
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| 03:01.44 | enouf | i had to quote the sucker, and rename it :-P |
| 03:01.52 | mlLK | off-topic but, anyone run zen-cart locally? |
| 03:02.01 | enouf | alex_mayorga: they better ;-P |
| 03:02.29 | enouf | alex_mayorga: i think google-earth must require some bw, don't ya think? |
| 03:02.37 | jawnsy | enouf: compression. |
| 03:03.06 | enouf | jawnsy: what do you think mp4 is? |
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| 03:18.14 | mxmx | suo |
| 03:18.16 | mxmx | sup |
| 03:18.16 | mxmx | */5 * * * * /usr/bin/php -q /home/admin/domains/dumppix.com/public_html/adult/video/cron.php |
| 03:18.32 | mxmx | shouldnt taht satement do the cronjob every 5 mins? |
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| 03:21.17 | Sling | mxmx : yes |
| 03:21.42 | dragonheart | if its in the right spot and your crond has had a HUP signal |
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| 03:26.52 | mxmx | meh |
| 03:27.15 | mxmx | its in /etc/cron.d/directadmin_cron |
| 03:27.22 | mxmx | but it hasnt done anything |
| 03:27.28 | mxmx | nor reported any errors in the logs |
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| 03:28.19 | mxmx | i even took out mail message null to get updates every 5 mins |
| 03:28.21 | mxmx | but no mail |
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| 03:29.05 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, are you still here? |
| 03:29.32 | mxmx | hmmmmm |
| 03:29.32 | mxmx | There are stopped jobs. |
| 03:29.36 | mxmx | what does that mean? |
| 03:29.43 | mxmx | how do i reneable a cronjob? |
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| 03:30.41 | dragonheart | mxmx: killall -HUP crond |
| 03:30.59 | dragonheart | to reload config. /etc/init.d/{cronsoemthign} restart |
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| 03:32.24 | mxmx | hmmmm |
| 03:32.32 | mxmx | cronsomething? |
| 03:32.41 | thing1 | anyone here into video conferencing? |
| 03:32.46 | mxmx | crond: no process killed |
| 03:32.51 | dragonheart | mxmx: whatever the initscript for cron is |
| 03:33.21 | zythmer | mxmx: /etc/cron.d/* and /etc/crontab are system cron tab entries which have a slightly different format because they include an user field. See crontab(5) for details. |
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| 03:35.11 | mxmx | bak |
| 03:35.17 | mxmx | cnot found |
| 03:35.24 | mxmx | ther es only one file named "cron" |
| 03:36.51 | mxmx | ah done |
| 03:37.16 | mxmx | now lets wait 5 mins |
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| 03:40.58 | noddy | i have a laptop with ati radeon express x1270 and a pretty default lenny installation, is there anything i need to do in order to install compiz-fusion? |
| 03:41.09 | noddy | download some 3d ogl drivers or something? |
| 03:41.38 | jhambo | Hi folks, sometimes xine hardlocks my computer. How can I figure out what the problem is? |
| 03:41.44 | jhambo | Or how to fix? |
| 03:42.17 | newsense | strace xine |
| 03:43.12 | dragonheart | or better - run it under gdb with debug synbols in xine |
| 03:43.23 | miksuh | noddy: compiz fusion is in lennys repository |
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| 03:45.14 | newsense | posen |
| 03:45.41 | noddy | miksuh: is it "compiz" package (no fusion?)? |
| 03:45.59 | noddy | or compiz-gnome |
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| 03:49.01 | linuxguy | >>needs drivers ffor lenny....nvidai ones :( |
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| 03:56.13 | noddy | is the compiz package just compiz or compiz-fusion? |
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| 03:57.35 | linuxguy | noddy........I think it compiz-fusion........but you need the correct drivers to make it work |
| 03:57.41 | SyL | can anybody point me in a direction that will let me know how to pull out the info from a deb package so I can see how it's configuring it? |
| 03:58.15 | linuxguy | >>needs nviduia drivers desperatekly :( |
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| 03:58.47 | noddy | linuxguy: ok |
| 03:58.59 | noddy | SyL: man dpkg maybe |
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| 04:09.17 | noddy | hmm, is there like a package for ati drivers? or do i download source from atis site or download from third party or what? |
| 04:11.03 | jhambo | Xine hardlocks my system. I ran `strace -o debug.txt xine -f foo` just before a lockup. The last few lines of output is at http://paste.debian.net/14404/. Why is xine hardlocking my system? |
| 04:11.06 | linuxguy | noddy do a !ask dpkg ATi i think |
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| 04:11.58 | Moojk | I have something writing to the disk all the time, how can I see what program it is? |
| 04:11.58 | noddy | !ask dpkg ati |
| 04:12.08 | noddy | nothing :X |
| 04:13.31 | linuxguy | !ati |
| 04:13.31 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 04:13.57 | linuxguy | noddy do this !ati |
| 04:14.38 | noddy | !fglrx |
| 04:14.38 | dpkg | fglrx is, like, "FireGL and Radeon for X", the proprietary display driver made available by ATI. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner>. http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, #ati @ irc.freenode.net. See also <radeon>. |
| 04:14.56 | noddy | !fglrx one-liner |
| 04:14.56 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have <contrib> and <non-free sources> in your sources.list. Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:15.06 | noddy | thanks |
| 04:15.23 | linuxguy | noddy so what you need to do is this .......what dpkg says |
| 04:15.52 | linuxguy | >>noddy edit your sources.list 1st and apt-get update |
| 04:16.03 | noddy | yes |
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| 04:16.54 | linuxguy | noddy just add non-free at the last 4 lines then aopt-get update |
| 04:17.13 | noddy | uhm how do i add non-free sources? deb-src ... non-free or deb .. non-free sources ? |
| 04:18.01 | linuxguy | noddy they should look like this contrib non-free |
| 04:18.33 | linuxguy | nddy thats what the end of the line should look like |
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| 04:19.30 | noddy | linuxguy: uhh, deb http://debi.../ lenny contrib non-free ? |
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| 04:20.25 | linuxguy | noddy....yes and all the other lines to |
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| 04:21.51 | rznk | noddy: This might help too --> http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html . I think this is the method I used for my 9600xt |
| 04:23.12 | rznk | I think Debian has an fglrx module tucked away doesn't it? |
| 04:24.30 | rznk | shrugs and gets back to tinkering with getmail |
| 04:24.37 | noddy | hmm okay thanks |
| 04:24.41 | noddy | !radeon |
| 04:24.41 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
| 04:24.57 | linuxguy | rznk, .........i wish i knew about that.......ive just changed from that card to an nvidia fx5500 and im still trying to get it working propwerlky with lenny :( |
| 04:28.27 | rznk | Yes, the radeon driver. To be honest, if I had to install the packages again I might try the free radeon alternative, but I tend to do things somewhat backwards when it comes to computer :) |
| 04:31.05 | rznk | Oh dear.. irc 'bra spam' again. {:| |
| 04:31.30 | blameless | i'm not getting this spam. are you +i? |
| 04:31.59 | rznk | Don't believe so |
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| 04:32.19 | linuxguy | tues \ weds sees me moving to a 4ghz amd machine witha 256mb nvidia fx6100 card.....hopefully it will work a lot better thaan what i have now......cos i cant get the drivers or correct nfo to make the fx5500 work properly |
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| 04:33.06 | rznk | linuxguy: Awesome :D I need an excuse to upgrade this old box. |
| 04:33.39 | blameless | rznk: +i would make you invisible to people not in the channel. +E means only registered users can message you |
| 04:35.02 | rznk | blameless: Cheers, I am on a 'learn about everything' kick tonight, and I guess irc modes can be added |
| 04:35.03 | linuxguy | rznk......i build \ fix pcs as a hobby..........i get my stuff from ebay |
| 04:35.20 | blameless | rznk: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 04:35.34 | rznk | blameless: Cheers :) |
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| 04:36.40 | rznk | linuxguy: I built this computer myself on my miniscule technological knowledge some four years ago. Was fun, but I think I just lucked out on the parts and compatability. |
| 04:37.37 | noddy | gah, i cant run the commands to install fglrx because i dont have kernel headers for 2.6.24 |
| 04:37.55 | noddy | should i just go to atis site and install it that way? |
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| 04:38.05 | rznk | noddy: Should be simple enough to get if I remember correctly. |
| 04:38.05 | blameless | noddy: why don't you install the kernel headers? |
| 04:38.21 | noddy | blameless: no deb package for 2.6.24 headers |
| 04:38.24 | noddy | only 2.6.25 |
| 04:38.41 | linuxguy | rznk, wel youve done well.........ive been building them for 15yrs.......some of my old stuff still works like my seagate 170mb HD......which was huge then :) |
| 04:38.54 | blameless | ah, on lenny. are you still running .24? you should be able to find the old package for what you're using. i don't know why you wouldn't move to .25 |
| 04:39.13 | noddy | blameless: hmm, how do i install kernel .25? |
| 04:39.27 | blameless | noddy: in lenny? it should be an update |
| 04:39.54 | noddy | blameless: i did upgrade like an hour ago, still .24 |
| 04:40.31 | blameless | noddy: have you installed the linux-image-2.6 metapackage? |
| 04:40.45 | noddy | dont know. what does that do? |
| 04:41.00 | noddy | maybe i can do aptitude install linux-image2.6.25-486 |
| 04:41.27 | linuxguy | nodddy.......did you do a reboot or log out\ in again? |
| 04:41.32 | blameless | its not a 686 class processor? |
| 04:41.47 | noddy | hmm yes probably |
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| 04:41.51 | noddy | linuxguy: yes |
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| 04:42.13 | zu22 | I am running Debian etch (4.0) and I don't have /usr/bin/whois. Which package provides it? |
| 04:42.34 | blameless | noddy: try installing linux-image-2.6-486 if you have less than a 686 class machine. if not, change it to 686 |
| 04:42.39 | tview | can someone recommend an open source program I can use to talk to other people who use skype? Video and mic support clearly preferred. |
| 04:42.58 | blameless | noddy: the metapackage will depend on the latest kernel |
| 04:43.03 | noddy | blameless: ah ok |
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| 04:43.30 | blameless | tview: well if you can convert all of the people over to gizmo you could probably use ekiga to talk with them. skype is propretary nastiness |
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| 04:44.41 | tview | this is before I turn water into wine or not? |
| 04:44.41 | linuxguy | bbl.......byee all for now |
| 04:44.41 | blameless | well, i managed to convince my girlfriend it was a good idea since i bought her the sip phone to call me |
| 04:44.46 | rznk | linuxguy: See you alter |
| 04:44.51 | rznk | later even... |
| 04:45.33 | rznk | is too tired for spelling and grammar. |
| 04:45.52 | zu22 | Any clue? I need the package that provides the whois command for Debian 4.0? |
| 04:46.39 | tview | blameless : wit all due respect I doubt I can convince everyone to use some less functional program because its "open source". I would preffer too but the others all use Windows anyway and Skype just works for them. The LInux version is crippled and most other open source "clones" are half arsed and unencrypted. |
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| 04:47.53 | rznk | tview: Completely understand. Sadly, I don't think there are any compatible clients, open-source or otherwise. |
| 04:48.37 | dondelelcaro | zu22: it's whois |
| 04:48.41 | dondelelcaro | !tell zu22 -about search |
| 04:48.59 | blameless | tview: oh gizmo isn't open source. it just uses interoperable protocols |
| 04:49.22 | tview | rznk : a shame the developers of the incomplete alternatives do not get together and produce one fully featured working alternative and maybe they might get off the ground. Wengo looks nice though. |
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| 04:49.33 | dondelelcaro | tview: uh... if their client supports sip it works just fine |
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| 04:49.48 | dondelelcaro | tview: skype doesn't support sip, so is broken by design. |
| 04:49.51 | blameless | my view on skype is: you're not supported. I don't care who you are, i'm not talking to you on that propreitary insecure POS which has the most horribled licencing terms (join our botnet) on earth |
| 04:50.20 | tview | dondelcaro : Are you mad or just having a laugh here? Once more - I need a client that WILL talk to skype. Everyone uses skype. |
| 04:50.33 | dondelelcaro | tview: any client that talks sip can if you use a sip->skype gateway |
| 04:50.40 | dondelelcaro | tview: there are quite a few of them |
| 04:50.57 | tview | dondel : you have me confused now. All I know is that people use Skype. |
| 04:51.04 | dondelelcaro | tview: but using skype is fundamentally broken, because it doesn't use any of the actual standard VoIP protocols |
| 04:51.09 | marc7 | tview: i too agree that everyone uses skype... but that doesn't make it a friendly player in an open-standards ecosystem |
| 04:51.32 | marc7 | just because "everybody uses it" doesn't mean there isn't dozens and dozens of better implementations out there |
| 04:51.33 | dondelelcaro | tview: lots of people use broken things, there's a reason why people buy advertising |
| 04:52.01 | marc7 | the only thing that skype sorted out for themselves is a fairly way to get VoIP traffic through fairly restrictive firewalls |
| 04:52.10 | rznk | I wasn't aware of the gateways for sip>Skype. I will have to check that out. |
| 04:52.14 | marc7 | sorry, a fairly *reliable* |
| 04:52.22 | tview | marc7 : I am not discussing how friendly it is. I am asking IF there is an open source that will talk to it. CLearly not. The fact os that people use Skype. All the other bits of pieces and half finished "open"products are not used in the main and are therefore pretty immaterial to someone wishing to talk to skype users now. They are the facts - not the "perfect world" maybe. |
| 04:52.28 | blameless | i haven't had any problems with SIP and STUN |
| 04:52.48 | dondelelcaro | tview: there's no client that talks directly to it because the protocol is not open. |
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| 04:52.52 | tview | blameless : and this SIP and STUN means you can talk to Skype users or not? |
| 04:53.01 | blameless | no, i wasn't speaking about that |
| 04:53.03 | dondelelcaro | tview: that said, any sip/stun client can using a gateway. |
| 04:53.11 | marc7 | tview: think of skype as its own ecosystem... the only benefit skype gets out of having skype-only clients is that they *force* users wanting to make outbound calls to buy SkypeOut minutes |
| 04:53.20 | blameless | i was responding to marc7's comment about getting SIP through a firewall |
| 04:53.26 | rznk | Is it similar to Jabber transports? Or whatever they are called? |
| 04:53.55 | blameless | rznk: SIMPLE is the messaging system with SIP however most of the clients i've used also speak jabber |
| 04:54.01 | marc7 | tview: it's not like you can find any/many clients that support both SIP/Skype... that doesn't represent a good revenue stream for skype as you can always use whatever costs least, instead of using skype's minutes in any event |
| 04:54.02 | tview | dondelcaro : then why are you offering your advice? I am totally confused now. I didnt come for a lecture on how skype works. I was asking if there is an open source client which will talk to the millions of skype users. Religion does not come into it - I am trying to find practical reasons to help people migrate to debian. |
| 04:54.25 | marc7 | tview: maybe skype under wine? |
| 04:54.31 | tview | jabber? Now you are joking. Also nobody uses jabber. Last time I looked at some debian and emacs groups they were empty. |
| 04:54.33 | dondelelcaro | tview: the point is if you want to talk, you use a gateway. If you want to talk directly, you can't. |
| 04:54.41 | marc7 | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Skype |
| 04:54.45 | blameless | tview: you're not listening. no open source client can existing for a protocal which is closed and which is actively obfuscated to prevent reverse enginnering |
| 04:54.47 | dondelelcaro | tview: and frankly, if you want to troll about it, please go elsewhere. |
| 04:54.49 | rznk | blameless: I mean, Jabber could use transports to access AIM, MSN etc. This is possible with SIP and Skype? (I too have family on Skype) |
| 04:54.49 | nareshov | gtalk is jabber |
| 04:54.58 | nareshov | my whole university uses that |
| 04:55.15 | blameless | rznk: i believe that is what dondelelcaro is talking about with SIP to Skype transports |
| 04:55.27 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah thanks i will use that method in the future :) |
| 04:55.29 | hypnus9 | hi room. I'm having a lot of trouble getting debian to recognize my wireless card. how do I get modprobe to recognize ndiswrapper? I'm running 40r4. I can usually get it to work in ubuntu, but I can't get it in debian. Any help? |
| 04:55.43 | tview | blameless : I am listening. Once more - I asked a question. And you are waffling on about your religion. I am not interested. The answer is "No, there are no open source clients to talk to skype". Please stop going on and on about your views of their development and standards. |
| 04:55.43 | rznk | blameless: Yeah, sorry. It's 12:45 am and I just wanted to get it straight in my head ;) |
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| 04:55.53 | blameless | 12:55 here heh |
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| 04:56.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:56.04 | Guerin | megafail |
| 04:56.06 | blameless | rznk: time to install ntpd ;) |
| 04:56.12 | Guerin | i'd like a SPI to skype client |
| 04:56.16 | Guerin | err, SIP |
| 04:56.19 | kernel_ghost | tview: sorry to jump in now but why cant you use the skype client itself? |
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| 04:56.22 | rznk | blameless: Oh, ten minutes have passed :) Same time here. |
| 04:56.42 | marc7 | hehe |
| 04:56.45 | noddy | uhm, whats a good app to read pdf? |
| 04:57.19 | rznk | noddy: Not sure, but I have used xpdf in the past. |
| 04:57.31 | Guerin | noddy: gv, xpdf, kpdf, evince ... |
| 04:57.52 | noddy | ok thanks |
| 04:57.52 | rznk | blameless: It wouldn't help. I can see the clock clear as day, but my brain glosses over it. |
| 04:59.10 | blameless | see if you get a laptop you can just irc from bed |
| 05:00.22 | hypnus9 | hi room. I'm having a lot of trouble getting debian to recognize my wireless card. how do I get modprobe to recognize ndiswrapper? I'm running 40r4. I can usually get it to work in ubuntu, but I can't get it in debian. Any help? |
| 05:00.39 | rznk | haha. I was thinking of getting one someday soon, but I've learned to hate anything that requires batteries/doesn't have a chord :) Especially keyboards and mice... |
| 05:00.40 | streuner | !room |
| 05:00.40 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 05:03.50 | noddy | hm, i click a pdf link in iceweasel and choose /usr/bin/xpdf to open it but nothing happens, do i need to do it manually from terminal? |
| 05:05.08 | noddy | xpdf is a bash script it seems |
| 05:05.09 | blameless | hypnus9: have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper ? |
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| 05:06.53 | zu22 | I finally got a VPS and my own domain :) |
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| 05:10.20 | zu22 | My ISP setup reverse DNS for me but when I connect to IRC it still is showing my ISP's VDSL hostname and not my domain. Do I have to do anything on my end to get it working? |
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| 05:12.47 | hypnus9 | blameless: thanks...I'll check it out. |
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| 05:15.07 | joneal | hi |
| 05:15.20 | rznk | joneal: Hello |
| 05:15.36 | joneal | I just created my first deb package |
| 05:16.16 | simonrvn | zu22: yes, manage your rev. dns in some way. |
| 05:16.31 | zu22 | joneal: what program(s) did you use to create it |
| 05:16.34 | rznk | joneal: Nice. It all works? |
| 05:16.42 | joneal | I wrote a program and created it |
| 05:16.43 | zu22 | simonrvn: oh i will have to find some docs on it thx |
| 05:16.52 | joneal | I don't know if it works yet |
| 05:17.19 | rznk | joneal: But 'so far, so good'? :) |
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| 05:19.58 | synktar | Hi. I've been searching for hours on end. I can't get get proftpd removed. I've tried apt-get remove proftpd, dpkg --purge -force-all and -force-remove-reinstreq, and none of them work. dpkg claims it's in a very bad, inconsistent state and in dpkg.log marks it as "status half-configured protpd 1.3.0-19," it suggests reinstalling which I have tried both via dpkg -i (and tried dpkg -i --force-all) on a proftpd .deb package and via a |
| 05:19.58 | synktar | pt-get install, apt-get -f install, etc. |
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| 05:23.19 | synktar | Thanks in advance by the way. This has me and everyone I've asked stumped. |
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| 05:26.57 | rpag | Hey not a Debian user, just trying to help a friend out.. what switch do you pass to apt-get for it to download and install an app? |
| 05:27.03 | rpag | apt-get -X app |
| 05:27.13 | marc7 | apt-get install app |
| 05:27.17 | rpag | thanks. |
| 05:27.38 | marc7 | you can search packages.debian.org for the package/app they want to install |
| 05:27.56 | synktar | or do apt-cache search if you have a keyword in mind (like php, for example) |
| 05:27.57 | marc7 | they can also use apt-cache search <string> |
| 05:28.04 | marc7 | not fast enough |
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| 05:28.14 | marc7 | :) |
| 05:28.15 | rpag | Ok, thanks! =D |
| 05:28.16 | steven_ | anyone know a good source of info for creating udebs ? |
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| 05:29.29 | hoxu | any suggestions for backing up gmail via imap? And don't say fetchmail please... |
| 05:29.54 | terbo | fuse;p |
| 05:30.03 | hoxu | please elaborate |
| 05:30.12 | synktar | http://blog.rectalogic.com/2007/11/automated-gmail-backup-via-imap.html ( http://www.google.com/search?q=backup+gmail+via+imap&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a ) |
| 05:30.28 | synktar | "backup gmail via imap" |
| 05:30.52 | hoxu | I'm running debian, not MacOS X ;) |
| 05:31.21 | synktar | Oh, sorry. Add "linux" to the search string or perhaps "debian" ;) |
| 05:31.39 | hoxu | well, I've had a look at some howtos, and no luck so far... the problem I've seen with getmail4 for example was that it couldn't continue from last time for some reason, just downloaded everything again |
| 05:32.08 | hoxu | so I was looking forward to success stories from here :) |
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| 05:33.12 | hoxu | synktar, will test isync next, thanks for the tip :) |
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| 05:39.09 | steven_ | which reminds me while im here im putting a debian pc in the kitchen the idea been a small media box for music movies/tv anyy software suggestions ? |
| 05:40.33 | icedtea | how do I get firefox with debian/testing instead of iceweasel? |
| 05:40.54 | synktar | Be back later. Off to learn Pre-Calc in 24 hours. |
| 05:41.00 | icedtea | !dpkg firefox |
| 05:41.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo 'gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"' >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 05:42.34 | marc7 | best browser *ever*? i dunno, ncsa mosaic is still pretty cutting edge... |
| 05:43.17 | synktar | !dpkg internet-explorer |
| 05:43.21 | synktar | Nothing? |
| 05:43.27 | rznk | lol |
| 05:43.30 | synktar | Hmm... Guess I'll have to put my Debian CD away. |
| 05:44.45 | exawn | . |
| 05:44.54 | exawn | was that a joke, or are you serious |
| 05:45.09 | synktar | If I can't have IE and ActiveX, I won't use Linux. |
| 05:45.14 | synktar | Sorry if that makes you mad, exawn. |
| 05:45.53 | exawn | not mad, however, your complete lack of any form of intellect is disgusting to comprehend |
| 05:46.03 | steven_ | synktar: wine |
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| 05:46.13 | rznk | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.19 | synktar | (Of course it was a joke - I have bigger problems, like wondering why apt/dpkg tells me to reinstall proftpd when I go to remove it, when I go to do as it says, it still doesn't work). |
| 05:46.21 | wols_ | steven_: doesn't work too well |
| 05:46.30 | synktar | Oh no, I don't want to use wine. Then I'd have to leave the command line. No GUI for me. |
| 05:46.31 | thedonvaughn | synktar: you can use wine or install windows under virtualbox or vmware. if you must. other than that, no there is no native IE or activex for linux. |
| 05:46.32 | steven_ | wols_: works ok |
| 05:46.51 | thedonvaughn | synktar: uhm you want no gui but IE? Are you just trolling? |
| 05:46.52 | wols_ | steven_: I had different experiences. when it would eat memormy making the system unusable afer ~15min |
| 05:46.55 | steven_ | i have to use it at work the dev's refuse to bloody fix firefox issues grr ! |
| 05:46.58 | exawn | he was joking |
| 05:47.06 | thedonvaughn | oh |
| 05:47.09 | thedonvaughn | is tired ;p |
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| 05:47.11 | exawn | it's just hard to interpret sarcasm on irc |
| 05:47.13 | exawn | yea |
| 05:47.14 | synktar | I'm joking, thedonvaughn (can't see if I spelled that right, I'm tired). |
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| 05:49.38 | steven_ | hm think im off to bed before i find something interessting to fiddle with |
| 05:49.57 | steven_ | hate getting called out at 6 in the morning it's just a cruel time! |
| 05:50.20 | synktar | eww 6 AM |
| 05:50.26 | icedtea | 6am? thats not so bad |
| 05:50.34 | steven_ | icedtea: it is |
| 05:50.37 | icedtea | almost normal hours |
| 05:50.51 | synktar | Meh, when I stayed up until 12 or 1 every night for AP Euro, then got up at 6, it was horrible |
| 05:50.55 | steven_ | i don't mind getting called at 3/4 i can fix it then go back to bed |
| 05:50.59 | synktar | (After a year of doing that, at least) |
| 05:51.12 | steven_ | but 6 by the time you hve fixed you might as well stay up lol |
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| 05:51.45 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
| 05:52.03 | rznk | screamingbytes: Hello :) |
| 05:52.12 | jey | =) |
| 05:52.14 | jey | =))) |
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| 06:31.34 | nmh_2Grajw | I am trying to add a CA certificate for use with ldapvi (and other client software) on a debian lenny system. It seems to me that I need to do something with gnutls, but I can't figure out what. Hints please. |
| 06:32.15 | nmh_2Grajw | addendum: I am trying to NOT recompile or affect other large changes. |
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| 06:33.56 | nmh_2Grajw | If there is a better place to ask, I would also appreciate hearing about that. |
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| 06:42.13 | marc7 | nmh_2Grajw: hey, have you already generated your CA? |
| 06:42.58 | nmh_2Grajw | I am using the startssl CA, and got it to work with macos 10.5 (maybe etch too, but I am not certain) |
| 06:43.34 | marc7 | on etch, I needed to 'apt-get install ca-certificates', then i copied my certificate to /usr/share/ca-certificates/mylocalcertificatename.crt |
| 06:43.48 | marc7 | then I added 'mylocalcertificatename.crt' to the end of /etc/ca-certificates.conf |
| 06:43.55 | marc7 | then I ran /usr/sbin/update-ca-certificates |
| 06:44.37 | marc7 | now I'm not particularly certain if it'll get rid of your ldapvi security/certificate warning errors |
| 06:44.52 | nmh_2Grajw | a VERY good point - I am working through that right now |
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| 06:45.44 | marc7 | #ldap has a much slower turnaround time, but might be able to help as well |
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| 06:46.01 | marc7 | you'll want to paste the specific security warning if this update-ca-certificates thing doesn't sort things out |
| 06:46.19 | marc7 | (pastebin or other) |
| 06:46.33 | Cataphract | hi, why is there no /sbin/ip under debian? |
| 06:48.08 | marc7 | Cataphract: it's on my system, i'm just looking for what package it's under |
| 06:49.56 | marc7 | Cataphract: i think `apt-get install iproute` might remedy that for you |
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| 06:51.58 | Cataphract | it did :) |
| 06:51.59 | Cataphract | thanks |
| 06:55.04 | nmh_2Grajw | marc7: thanks for the pointer, I am not done yet, but it looks a lot better than what I was trying before |
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| 07:12.23 | MrBobBarker | hey, how do I update my uname -r after a kernel update? |
| 07:12.30 | MrBobBarker | so I can modprobe without having to restart |
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| 07:13.00 | geek_ | er, don't you need to restart anyway to get the new kernel running? |
| 07:13.02 | cahoot | changed kernelversions? |
| 07:13.14 | MrBobBarker | geek_: I just want to load a module, I don't need the new kernmel |
| 07:13.18 | cahoot | or just added a module? |
| 07:13.22 | wols_ | geek_: most times.... but not always |
| 07:13.32 | MrBobBarker | cahoot: yeah, the version changed so it tries to look in the wrong dir |
| 07:13.36 | MrBobBarker | how do I set it to look in the right dir? |
| 07:13.40 | cahoot | reboot |
| 07:13.44 | MrBobBarker | other than that |
| 07:13.53 | wols_ | MrBobBarker: you cannot update the kernel version output unless you load a new kernel of that version by rebooting |
| 07:14.02 | MrBobBarker | I'm not trying to load the new kernel |
| 07:14.15 | MrBobBarker | I just want to load a module |
| 07:14.17 | cahoot | the module is made for a not running kernel |
| 07:14.31 | MrBobBarker | I highly doubt there would be any issue with such a relatively minor version change |
| 07:14.42 | MrBobBarker | is there a way to change the output of uname -r? |
| 07:14.46 | MrBobBarker | yes or no would suffice |
| 07:14.48 | cahoot | if you cahnged versions you have to reboot to make use of the module |
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| 07:15.03 | wrench___ | hey all. I've got a Core 2 Quad Q6600...the specs page says that it has 64bit support. Should I get the i386 install image or the ia64? |
| 07:15.27 | wols_ | wrench___: ia64 will not work. amd64 will |
| 07:15.33 | wols_ | but: how much memory do you have? |
| 07:15.42 | cahoot | MrBobBarker: why not make a module for the running kernel then? |
| 07:15.47 | wrench___ | wols_: 2G of memory |
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| 07:16.12 | wols_ | wrench___: i386. less hassle |
| 07:16.24 | wrench___ | wols_: willdo. thanks! |
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| 07:16.45 | MrBobBarker | the original question I asked was too ambigious and easy to respond to in noobish ways. My new question: can I change the output of uname -r? |
| 07:16.57 | wols_ | MrBobBarker: yes. restart with a new kernel |
| 07:17.01 | MrBobBarker | other than that |
| 07:17.04 | MrBobBarker | yes or no |
| 07:17.04 | ganu | please explain about SUID/SGID |
| 07:17.12 | wrench___ | will debian automatically turn on SMP support or do I need to configure it somehow? |
| 07:17.32 | MrBobBarker | please stop telling me to restart, if you can't change uname -r without restarting just say so |
| 07:17.34 | wols_ | MrBobBarker: a module for a different kernel version won't load cause you just fudge the uname -r output btw. either your module and kernel are really the exact same vresion or no go |
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| 07:17.55 | MrBobBarker | I'll take that as a no |
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| 07:17.58 | cahoot | wols_: please don't offer him such noobish info |
| 07:18.04 | wols_ | wrench___: if you have a -686 kernel it's on automatically. /proc/cpuinfo shows you. the -486 kernel doesn't do SMP |
| 07:18.31 | wols_ | cahoot: I prefer correct info when possible |
| 07:18.42 | ganu | i am not able to understand the difference between SUID/SGID and ordinarily declaring the access |
| 07:19.00 | wols_ | ganu: what version of debian? |
| 07:19.16 | ganu | wols_, lenny |
| 07:19.30 | tecky | wols_: in that reguards ... if i have a Cpu Family: 15 and 2.0ghz .. how can I tell if its got Hyperthreading turned on or not |
| 07:19.30 | wrench___ | wols_: gotcha. Is there a separate install iso for the -686 kernel? I only see one for i386. |
| 07:19.31 | ganu | wols_, it is ot relate to version |
| 07:19.47 | wols_ | tecky: same way. by checking /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:19.50 | ganu | wols_, it is not relate to version |
| 07:20.13 | wols_ | ganu: doesn't matter. you are in #ubuntu and #debian. you are in thw wrong place in one of them at least |
| 07:20.28 | wols_ | wrench___: no ther is not |
| 07:20.47 | ganu | wols_, its ok |
| 07:20.53 | wrench___ | wols_: understood...thanks for the info! I'm gonna go install debian! |
| 07:20.55 | wols_ | ganu: no, it's rude |
| 07:21.17 | ganu | wols_, ok i cam eout |
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| 07:21.23 | ganu | from ubuntu |
| 07:21.45 | ganu | wols_, tell me the SUID/SGID |
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| 07:24.21 | enouf | wow, what a noob-fest ;-) |
| 07:24.46 | kornholijo | brings cookies |
| 07:25.20 | maligor | heh |
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| 07:25.33 | ganu | wols_, yeah give me some idea over SUID/SGID |
| 07:26.51 | maligor | suid is user, sgid is group |
| 07:27.35 | maligor | runs the program as the owner user of the app or owner group |
| 07:27.45 | kornholijo | hates new kernels, [ 12.247073] ipw2200: Detected geography ZZM (11 802.11bg channels, 0 802.11a channels) |
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| 07:27.50 | kornholijo | brb some patching to do |
| 07:28.10 | kornholijo | and some fcc rule breaking ;o |
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| 07:32.32 | Ast001 | I just tried to loda module snd_hda_intel but I got error messages |
| 07:32.33 | Ast001 | WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/sound/core/snd-page-alloc.ko': No such file or directory |
| 07:32.37 | enouf | heh, it's actually the SCHED_SMT option, not just the HT ones |
| 07:33.06 | Ast001 | and same from snd_hda and for few more files |
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| 07:33.09 | Pakito | Hola |
| 07:33.10 | Pakito | que tal |
| 07:33.14 | Pakito | tengo un problema |
| 07:33.17 | Pakito | may day! |
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| 07:33.36 | javier_ | HI |
| 07:34.17 | ganu | wols_, yeah give me some idea over SUID/SGID |
| 07:34.39 | galois_ | ganu: that was answered earlier |
| 07:34.46 | wols_ | ganu: please stop talking to me so I don't have to /ignore you |
| 07:35.02 | Pakito | Hi |
| 07:35.09 | wols_ | galois_: richard? |
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| 07:35.22 | galois_ | wols_: lo |
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| 07:35.33 | Pakito | Hi |
| 07:35.48 | Pakito | when I try to install build-essential |
| 07:35.50 | wols_ | galois_: shame on your for updating sarge only now :P problem solved? |
| 07:35.53 | Pakito | yo obtengo este error |
| 07:35.55 | ganu | galois_, no it is not answered |
| 07:36.26 | galois_ | wols_: prossibly. I could fix the conflict in the graphical interface for aptitude |
| 07:36.39 | wols_ | ok |
| 07:37.35 | galois_ | wols_: It is now installing all packages in inelegant fashion. IU'll dist-upgrade afterwards to try and make sure all packages/dependencies are installed and the correct version |
| 07:38.00 | galois_ | ganu: you got the answer at 7.30 gmt |
| 07:38.09 | galois_ | !spanish |
| 07:38.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:38.52 | Ast001 | brb |
| 07:39.02 | Pakito | I get this error: The following package have dependencies unreliable |
| 07:39.15 | Pakito | when I try to install build-essentials with apt |
| 07:39.17 | ganu | galois_, i entered now only |
| 07:39.30 | ganu | galois_, just half an hour |
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| 07:39.57 | wols_ | ganu: 7:30 UTC was 9 minutes ago |
| 07:39.58 | ganu | galois_, ok if not intrest , i will not continue |
| 07:40.07 | wols_ | Pakito: pastebin the full output |
| 07:40.18 | liable | in english |
| 07:40.21 | Pakito | wols_, than you |
| 07:40.34 | wols_ | Pakito: export LANG=C then run the apt-get install command |
| 07:40.39 | wols_ | liable: good point :) |
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| 07:41.03 | dmseg | helo guys i needed the page where you can get dpkg's source |
| 07:41.04 | cahoot | drop the trailing s? |
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| 07:41.27 | ganu | wols_, galois_ , ok |
| 07:41.30 | wols_ | dmseg: apt-get source dpkg |
| 07:41.43 | galois_ | do I need to removethe kernel image? |
| 07:41.56 | wols_ | galois_: like any other package. aptitude remove <package> |
| 07:42.07 | dmseg | wols_: dpkg the bot |
| 07:42.13 | dmseg | !beer wols_ |
| 07:42.13 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for wols_ |
| 07:42.16 | galois_ | or is the paranoid thing to do to leave it there? |
| 07:42.16 | wols_ | !blootbot |
| 07:42.16 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 07:42.26 | nareshov | o.o |
| 07:42.28 | wols_ | galois_: you don't need to |
| 07:42.37 | wols_ | galois_: but you do want have 2.6 kernels only |
| 07:42.49 | galois_ | the warning is sufficiently scary and I need to leave here in 2 hours |
| 07:42.49 | dmseg | !infobot |
| 07:42.49 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 07:42.59 | wols_ | and kernel 2.6.18/2.6.24 is strongly suggested |
| 07:43.06 | wols_ | !tell dmseg about msgthebot |
| 07:43.09 | galois_ | installed the virtual package last night |
| 07:43.32 | dmseg | wols_: you can tell me not to do this in public |
| 07:43.43 | enouf | ok, don't do it |
| 07:44.02 | tyler` | lol |
| 07:44.03 | dmseg | hey enouf |
| 07:44.11 | enouf | hey |
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| 07:46.29 | bjoernb | hi |
| 07:46.34 | galois_ | wols_: went for it, should swicth to the new kernel on reboot. So should be fine |
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| 07:46.54 | bjoernb | when will trac come to debian testing? |
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| 07:50.59 | Kanam | Hello folks. I have just a little question. I saw that apt-get can install a package by compiling it with the -b option. I was just wondering if ther is a way to get the installer do the same for the base system. So we could have a source-based debian |
| 07:51.41 | gionn | Kanam, you should use apt-build |
| 07:52.20 | Kanam | ? I don't know this tool... |
| 07:52.33 | Kanam | gonna check it out |
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| 07:53.43 | Kanam | i'd like to use apt-build or apt-get -b instead of apt-get during the installation process |
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| 07:59.10 | marc7 | i really can't believe it's taken me this long to setup dsh |
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| 07:59.42 | daeron | hello |
| 07:59.46 | marc7 | it's really beautiful to send a command across twenty hosts and have them all start hauling away on it at once |
| 08:00.00 | Kanam | i like it too |
| 08:00.10 | daeron | is there a way to log into the system using gui as root? |
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| 08:00.50 | icedtea | daeron: huh? |
| 08:01.36 | daeron | i have installed debian, and i'm trying to log in |
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| 08:01.52 | icedtea | daeron: do you have kde or gnome installed? |
| 08:01.55 | daeron | but i didn't create any user account |
| 08:01.57 | daeron | gnome |
| 08:02.15 | icedtea | login in as root, then make another account |
| 08:02.39 | daeron | in the console? |
| 08:02.47 | Kanam | daeron: look at the adduser manpage. Then create a account to log in |
| 08:02.59 | Kanam | you should never login in gui as root |
| 08:03.02 | Kanam | nerver... ever |
| 08:03.18 | daeron | hu |
| 08:03.20 | daeron | uh :) |
| 08:03.41 | icedtea | in this case, why not? |
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| 08:03.59 | wols_ | cause it's not necessary? |
| 08:04.08 | daeron | but OS says that i cannot login as root |
| 08:04.13 | daeron | and that's the problem |
| 08:04.19 | Kanam | yes it is |
| 08:04.19 | holdingpattern | you shouldnt need to |
| 08:04.20 | icedtea | well if he has gdm and a login screen... |
| 08:04.21 | marc7 | daeron: i mean, never say never, but it's really bad practice... if something bad happens to an application you run as root (firefox, hypothetically) then your whole system could be in trouble |
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| 08:05.04 | daeron | i understand you, that wasn't wise of me to not create any other accounts |
| 08:05.05 | marc7 | I will sometimes try starting a specific application as root, but not run my window manager (gnome/kde) as root all the time |
| 08:05.08 | icedtea | or kdm in this case |
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| 08:05.23 | wols_ | daeron: no it's not a problem. it's a very sensible setting. press ctrl+alt+f2 and log in as root THERE. then run man adduser |
| 08:05.32 | daeron | well, is there a way to create an user account from console? |
| 08:05.35 | daeron | than? |
| 08:05.41 | wols_ | daeron: I just told you how |
| 08:05.57 | daeron | ok, i'm there, thx |
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| 08:07.50 | holdingpattern | hey guys |
| 08:08.06 | holdingpattern | is there a way to use fakeraid 5 on debian |
| 08:08.13 | holdingpattern | so i can access my raid array |
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| 08:08.41 | wols_ | holdingpattern: yes |
| 08:08.44 | wols_ | !raid |
| 08:08.45 | dpkg | raid is, like, Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, <raid-resizing> |
| 08:08.51 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 08:08.51 | dpkg | fakeraid is probably term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 08:09.13 | wols_ | holdingpattern: see the md factoid |
| 08:09.17 | holdingpattern | their is a patch called dm-raid45 that is ment to be able to get it to work for me |
| 08:09.31 | Pakito | Hello |
| 08:09.36 | holdingpattern | but i dont know how to use it |
| 08:09.39 | wols_ | dm-raid different |
| 08:09.52 | wols_ | !dm |
| 08:09.52 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 08:10.01 | wols_ | grah |
| 08:10.04 | holdingpattern | and the instructions arnt very in depth |
| 08:10.21 | wols_ | link? |
| 08:10.22 | holdingpattern | http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dm/dm-raid45/ |
| 08:10.36 | holdingpattern | i knwo its redhat.. but it should work in debian? |
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| 08:10.50 | Pakito | I made a error, I installed some sid packages over etch distro and for this reason a i have some problems with some dependencies, Do you recommend me to upgrade dist to sid, thank you? |
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| 08:11.03 | galois- | got to love the warnings in aptitude - a page full of packages and "do you want to ignore this warning" right at the bottom. What warning?!? |
| 08:11.13 | nareshov | lol |
| 08:11.35 | lodah | Can anyone help me with a problem with FrostWire? |
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| 08:12.12 | galois- | Pakito: the recommended user for sid is experienced. It probably isn't for you. Things will break. Look at backports if you are keen to run packages in sid |
| 08:12.50 | wols_ | Pakito: reinstall if possible |
| 08:12.59 | Pakito | galois but I made a big error, because i installed the libc6 Sid libraries over etch |
| 08:13.24 | Pakito | and i always get a lot errors when i tried to install something "bad dependencies" |
| 08:13.28 | wols_ | holdingpattern: it's a kernel patch. you can try to apply it to the vanilla kernel source from kernel.org. you will need to build your own kernel. see the docs for kernel-package |
| 08:13.32 | Pakito | :( |
| 08:13.43 | wols_ | Pakito: I told you before to pastebin the full output of a apt-get run |
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| 08:14.19 | galois- | what's the command to log the console for an interactive session. I want to scroll back and read the warning |
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| 08:14.34 | lodah | Can anyone help me with a problem with FrostWire? |
| 08:14.36 | Pakito | wols_, yes thank you, but my output is in spanish |
| 08:14.39 | wols_ | galois-: ctrl+s |
| 08:14.41 | Pakito | i'm sorry |
| 08:14.50 | wols_ | Pakito: I gave you the command to make it appear in english. export LANG=C |
| 08:15.03 | Pakito | wols_, thanks wols_ |
| 08:15.13 | wols_ | galois-: also ssh clients like putty have a buffer. xterms often too |
| 08:15.29 | wols_ | and if you use the cli aptitude you can always use less |
| 08:15.52 | rznk | So long all. Have a good day! |
| 08:15.57 | Pakito | w |
| 08:16.03 | marc7 | I'm trying to invoke a configure script when I'm in a different working directory. How would I use bash or whatever to define the working path when I'm invoking configure with a full path? |
| 08:16.14 | Pakito | wols_, sorry Thi command doesn't work |
| 08:16.27 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 08:16.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:16.44 | Pakito | i shoud write "sudo Export LANG=C" |
| 08:17.19 | wols_ | no you should not |
| 08:17.22 | marc7 | hmm |
| 08:17.29 | marc7 | i think I have the same question as you Pakito |
| 08:17.34 | wols_ | Pakito: linux is case sensitive |
| 08:17.44 | marc7 | *looks through buffer* |
| 08:17.46 | Pakito | hmmmm |
| 08:17.47 | wols_ | !tell marc7 about ask |
| 08:18.02 | marc7 | oh come on wols... |
| 08:18.25 | marc7 | i just *did* ask my question, but then stopped to wonder if I wasn't the only one with the same issue |
| 08:19.16 | marc7 | I'm trying to run ./configure via sudo, but export a path in the command |
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| 08:19.33 | lodah | Can anyone help me with a problem with FrostWire? I installed the program but when i go to Applications, Internet, Frost Wire and click on it, it doesn't do anything. |
| 08:19.37 | wols_ | marc7: why? |
| 08:19.57 | wols_ | lodah: start it from a xterm and check the output |
| 08:20.02 | marc7 | dsh {lots of machines} sudo /staff/build/php-5.2.6/configure --strings |
| 08:20.03 | valdyn | marc7: running ./configure as root is already stupid |
| 08:20.17 | wols_ | !tell marc7 about backports |
| 08:20.35 | marc7 | let's assume I've decided not to use backports in this specific instance. |
| 08:20.45 | Pakito | How Can i change the language of my terminal? thanks |
| 08:20.47 | wols_ | installing php from source is not less stupid |
| 08:20.51 | jescis | !tell Iodah ask |
| 08:20.53 | wols_ | Pakito: I told you |
| 08:21.12 | valdyn | Pakito: export LC_ALL=C |
| 08:21.15 | Pakito | I'm looking for that in google |
| 08:21.21 | Pakito | ok |
| 08:21.24 | marc7 | i don't want to install debian's php package, and checkinstall has been broken for ages. |
| 08:21.26 | wols_ | marc7: if you did use backport there were no configure run in the first place |
| 08:21.34 | valdyn | !dh_make |
| 08:21.35 | wols_ | marc7: no one said you had to install debian's |
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| 08:22.06 | jescis | !tell lodah ask |
| 08:22.17 | wols_ | !tell jescis about ask |
| 08:22.38 | wols_ | marc7: you could do your own backport, the way you want it |
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| 08:23.04 | marc7 | wols: you're absolutely correct, I should, especially when rolling it out over such a large number of hosts... I'm also under a time crunch and it's already 1:30AM.... |
| 08:23.31 | wols_ | then do it |
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| 08:24.00 | galois- | wols_: ctrl+s doesn't seem to do it - just kills screen |
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| 08:24.01 | jescis | wols_, I'm trying to help lodah |
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| 08:24.27 | wols_ | galois-: screen has a back buffer IIRC |
| 08:24.46 | wols_ | jescis: sure, but you are doing it badly. I gave you the bot syntax here in public |
| 08:24.46 | lodah | LoL I dont know anything about this.. im brand new..... so i dont know what xterm means.. |
| 08:25.09 | lodah | !wols_ what is xterm? |
| 08:25.11 | dpkg | lodah: okay |
| 08:25.12 | galois- | wols_: only when programs don't try and be clever |
| 08:25.14 | valdyn | !xterm |
| 08:25.14 | dpkg | hmm... xterm is the X terminal emulator and that's all it does: It emulates a terminal under X. Once you get used to the shell, you will start to feel somewhat limited in your actions when you only have a mouse to click at things. That's why so many Unix users don't like Windows (well, that and the "big evil corporation" thing...). I bet that in six months from now, "GUI" will mean "four xterms and a background picture" to you. see xterm-debian |
| 08:25.39 | wols_ | dpkg: forget wols_ what |
| 08:25.39 | dpkg | wols_: i forgot wols_ what |
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| 08:26.17 | galois- | valdyn: you can /msg dpkg |
| 08:26.37 | valdyn | galois-: sure, but _I_ know what an xterm is |
| 08:27.09 | jescis | wols_, it wasn't the bot's syntax that was the issue it was me not seeing lodah started with a "l" :p |
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| 08:27.44 | wols_ | valdyn: rumours, lies! :) |
| 08:28.39 | jescis | !tell lodah ask |
| 08:29.11 | galois- | valdyn: sorry :) |
| 08:29.26 | jescis | !tell lodah about ask |
| 08:29.30 | lodah | Ok so how would i figure the output? |
| 08:29.32 | zythmer | galois-: script |
| 08:29.43 | jescis | wols_, sorry you were right :( |
| 08:29.47 | wols_ | !tell lodah about paste |
| 08:30.14 | galois- | zythmer: ? |
| 08:30.15 | lodah | What is !tell and !ask all about? |
| 08:30.17 | marc7 | wols, before I resign myself to compiling from source, is there any "quick" step-by-step to dh_make other than the new maintainer's guide? |
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| 08:30.36 | zythmer | re: < galois-> what's the command to log the console for an interactive session. |
| 08:30.49 | valdyn | lodah: ! is a shortcut to addressing dpkg, the bot |
| 08:30.55 | galois- | zythmer: thanks -twigged just after hitting return |
| 08:31.02 | wols_ | marc7: since php 5.2.6 is already in sid, you simply do a simple sid backport |
| 08:31.03 | lodah | !ask |
| 08:31.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:31.14 | galois- | zythmer: think it was just about leaving some things behind - so ploughed on |
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| 08:31.30 | galois- | zythmer: thanks for coming back |
| 08:31.53 | lodah | !tell |
| 08:32.01 | jescis | lodah, welcome to the world of Debian GNU/Linux ;) |
| 08:32.07 | marc7 | wols_: I don't want any of the extra baggage that comes with a backport, I've got specific supporting packages I've already installed, I've got a specific configure string I want passed to the compile process, and that's really about it. |
| 08:32.34 | valdyn | marc7: youre making this hard for yourself and unsupportable by debian |
| 08:32.35 | lodah | LoL So do i write in those blanks and then paste? |
| 08:32.37 | wols_ | marc7: and you can do all this with a custom backport. your choice if you want to or not |
| 08:32.59 | wols_ | lodah: go to paste.debian.net and use that site |
| 08:33.07 | marc7 | i just don't understand why a tool like checkinstall is made available |
| 08:33.15 | valdyn | lodah: you use your brain and grasp the spirit of what we are trying to tell you |
| 08:33.16 | marc7 | i assume it's still broken, right? |
| 08:33.19 | lodah | k thnx |
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| 08:33.27 | marc7 | *tries again for the hell of it* |
| 08:33.42 | marc7 | nope, still not in etch. |
| 08:33.51 | wols_ | marc7: checkinstall is not available in stable, only testing and sid. and with them, things are broken. always. deal with it |
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| 08:35.44 | marc7 | wols_: I understand the checkinstall problem is upstream, but it's been broken for a year and backports really don't accomplish what I'm looking for. tearing apart a package and grabbing the control files to build with dh_make is closer to what I'd like, but still... overkill |
| 08:36.31 | wols_ | marc7: backport is the only sensible way. everything else is terminally stupidity on your part |
| 08:36.57 | wols_ | marc7: no one said a backport is installing a .deb from backports.org only. it's also how you can do your OWN backports |
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| 08:37.11 | wols_ | which in this case is the best solution if you REALLY NEED php 5.2.6 |
| 08:37.44 | jaggz1 | I'm using kde.. my old old gnome install used to have a keyboard-layout display when you were switching.. i'd like to have one now so I can see the dvorak layout |
| 08:38.17 | marc7 | wols_: looking more closely into it now, thank you for at least insisting on something you feel is the best course of action. |
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| 08:38.51 | wols_ | !tell marc7 about ssb |
| 08:39.11 | wols_ | marc7: you get the dbeian sources, edit the configure string in /debian/control or thereabouts and off you go |
| 08:39.51 | marc7 | *raises glass* i'll give this a try |
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| 08:52.11 | jaseem | how can i change my default os from debian to xp |
| 08:52.32 | jaseem | ? |
| 08:52.35 | wols_ | chage the default in menu.lst |
| 08:52.37 | wols_ | *change |
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| 08:52.56 | wols_ | and remove all savedefault lines in there |
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| 09:00.50 | war9407 | Hi all! I run my own local mirror using debmirror script from Debian and everything works great, but apt-file update does not work.? |
| 09:00.50 | war9407 | http://rafb.net/p/tLPhAR27.html |
| 09:01.26 | joneal | hi |
| 09:01.30 | war9407 | yo |
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| 09:02.09 | war9407 | how come debmirror is not picking that up? |
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| 09:05.43 | war9407 | Does anyone here use debmirror? |
| 09:07.12 | wols_ | !anyone use debmirror |
| 09:07.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses debmirror, not even the people who use it. |
| 09:07.28 | joneal | whats debmirror? |
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| 09:07.57 | joneal | dpkg what's debmirror? |
| 09:07.57 | dpkg | [debmirror] a method of mirroring apt repositories on debian. |
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| 09:14.57 | humbolt | is there a more recent multimedia repository than debian-multimedia? |
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| 09:17.50 | war9407 | per oftc, it is --getcontents |
| 09:17.53 | war9407 | that I needed |
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| 09:21.31 | Ragon | Hi, is there anyway to filter out the results of 'top' by your username only via a flag? (Or an alternative command) |
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| 09:22.39 | mhymn | Ragon: did you read the 'man top'? |
| 09:22.52 | elbing | top | grep user |
| 09:23.08 | mhymn | no! |
| 09:23.16 | pawalls | If I want to get reprepro automatically signing Release files, does the GPG key need to be somewhere in particular? I've created a passwordless key and it is in the keyring of the user I'm running reprepro as but it's not creating Release.gpg files. |
| 09:23.29 | nkuttler | elbing: don't give advice if you have no clue |
| 09:23.50 | mhymn | Ragon: run top then hit 'u' and ... |
| 09:24.00 | pawalls | Does it expect me to export the private key (presumably ascii armored) to some specific location? |
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| 09:36.54 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:36.54 | dpkg | hmm... qotd90 is <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
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| 09:47.31 | daeron | hello |
| 09:48.01 | daeron | how to install wifi drivers on Debian? :P |
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| 09:49.30 | streuner | depends on the chipset :-) |
| 09:49.55 | streuner | is the chipset even supported (Linux)? |
| 09:50.15 | daeron | well, my wifi card worked well on Ubuntu |
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| 09:50.21 | daeron | :p |
| 09:50.34 | dragonheart | good start |
| 09:50.37 | streuner | and why do you want *change* then? |
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| 09:51.09 | daeron | i want to test debian, i'm still pretty new to linux |
| 09:51.24 | daeron | well, you can call it learning :) |
| 09:51.36 | streuner | good luck :-) |
| 09:51.42 | daeron | thx |
| 09:51.58 | daeron | but anyway, is there any driver manager or something like that? |
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| 09:53.32 | daeron | is there? |
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| 09:54.21 | enouf | !which driver |
| 09:54.21 | dpkg | from memory, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 09:55.51 | daeron | thx |
| 09:56.36 | enouf | !whats my hardware |
| 09:56.36 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 09:58.31 | valdyn | - |
| 09:59.09 | daeron | huh, how to add user into "sudoers file"? :P |
| 09:59.17 | daeron | xD |
| 09:59.19 | enouf | dpkg whats my hardware =~ s,lshw,lshw, or even dmesg, |
| 09:59.28 | amphi | daeron: I expect it's ipw2100 or 2200 |
| 09:59.32 | enouf | crap |
| 09:59.40 | daeron | sudo command don't work |
| 09:59.44 | enouf | dpkg whats my hardware =~ s#lshw,lshw# or even dmesg# |
| 09:59.44 | dpkg | enouf: that doesn't contain 'lshw,lshw' |
| 09:59.47 | daeron | yeah, it's that and i know it |
| 09:59.50 | daeron | but sudo don't work |
| 10:00.05 | enouf | dpkg whats my hardware =~ s#lshw#lshw, or even dmesg# |
| 10:00.05 | dpkg | enouf: OK |
| 10:00.10 | daeron | i know it already* |
| 10:00.13 | amphi | daeron: just use su |
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| 10:01.03 | daeron | err... it don't work either |
| 10:01.11 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 10:01.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:01.39 | daeron | sudo and su don't work for my user account |
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| 10:02.05 | enouf | sudo accepts user passwd, su accepts root |
| 10:02.07 | daeron | "daeron is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 10:02.17 | amphi | daeron: you typed the root password at the su prompt? |
| 10:02.28 | daeron | there was no prompt |
| 10:02.35 | amphi | daeron: black helicopters will be there directly |
| 10:02.39 | enouf | are you on ubuntu? |
| 10:02.47 | enouf | amphi: haha |
| 10:02.50 | daeron | no ^.^ |
| 10:03.06 | enouf | daeron: id -u |
| 10:03.19 | daeron | 1000 |
| 10:03.50 | enouf | daeron: oh, when you installed, did you ever setup the root account>? |
| 10:03.57 | daeron | i did |
| 10:04.04 | enouf | i cannot believe we give weenies this choice .. but |
| 10:04.27 | enouf | so, su <enter>, type in root passwd |
| 10:04.29 | daeron | well, i did setup ONLY root account, but i had to setup some user account to log in graphically |
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| 10:05.19 | daeron | ^.^ thx, now it works |
| 10:05.21 | kubikulus | Hello , i have a qeusion, it may not be debian specific, but maybe someone could help me out. I have a program that compiles well on my system , it complies well when i boot with init=/bin/sh. My friend tried compiling it and it does indeed compile well even in single user mode, but when he booted with init=/bin/sh it had errors, starting with that it could not find stdio.h. First i thought he mounted wrong, but he has only one big partition. He tried addin |
| 10:07.00 | gribozavr | kubikulus: did your friend install build-essential? |
| 10:07.24 | gribozavr | kubikulus: and single-user mode doesn't matter while compiling |
| 10:07.27 | amphi | daeron: what does 'lspci | grep Network' say? |
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| 10:08.16 | kubikulus | gribozavr> i don't know, i will ask him, but judging from that it compiles in single user and in normal mode mode i would suspect he has... |
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| 10:08.45 | kubikulus | i am going to ask him... mmnt |
| 10:08.56 | gribozavr | kubikulus: you see, there's no point in compiling in single-user mode |
| 10:09.06 | gribozavr | kubikulus: that simply doesn't matter |
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| 10:11.16 | kubikulus | gribozavr> ok, he's not online atm, must have quit while i was here. I will ask him when hen comes online later, but if we assume he has the build-essential , what else could it be? |
| 10:11.48 | gribozavr | kubikulus: well, if build-essential is installed, stdio.h should be there |
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| 10:12.55 | gribozavr | kubikulus: i still don't understand why do you compile when booted with init=/bin/sh? |
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| 10:15.06 | kubikulus | I just have a quick question .. when i told you to try output environment variables , and you said yo can't... what did you mean? Did you try |
| 10:15.06 | kubikulus | $ env |
| 10:15.06 | kubikulus | ?? |
| 10:15.06 | kubikulus | didn't it output anything? |
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| 10:15.24 | kubikulus | damnden buffers... |
| 10:15.35 | kubikulus | gribozavr> because it's a test performance based program |
| 10:16.05 | gribozavr | kubikulus: so compile it normally, run in single-user? |
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| 10:16.15 | wols_ | kubikulus: the compile isn't a benchmark is it? |
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| 10:17.04 | kubikulus | i know i know, but it needs a recompile beacuse o the hassle of changing a few parameters, and the reboot is a pain in the ass. |
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| 10:18.24 | gribozavr | kubikulus: if it compiles in multiuser runlevel, but fails in single-user, i don't think that would be counte as a bug |
| 10:18.28 | gribozavr | counted* |
| 10:18.41 | kubikulus | but well, i guess i'll tell him to run in single user mode, it should be little difference to init=/bin.sh |
| 10:18.53 | kubikulus | i mean init=/bin/sh |
| 10:19.21 | kubikulus | gribozavr> yes, i know what you mean. |
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| 10:19.53 | kubikulus | gribozavr> Thanks for the help. I appreciate it. I have to leave now to prepare lunch. Bye |
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| 10:20.04 | gribozavr | kubikulus: bye |
| 10:20.10 | kubikulus | gribozavr> bye |
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| 10:21.11 | vedant | hi, any way to get SMART attributes with an external USB drive? |
| 10:21.39 | streuner | smartmontools, if the device support that |
| 10:21.42 | wols_ | only if the usb chip in the hdd supports it |
| 10:21.44 | wols_ | which is almost never |
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| 10:22.32 | utb_diablo | hi |
| 10:22.32 | utb_diablo | need help @bind/C :) |
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| 10:26.36 | __arj__ | does anyone know a good bandwidth limiter? |
| 10:26.50 | robocop1 | how do you stop x=server in Lenny please?..Ive tried telinit 3 and telinit 5 but it keeps says x-server is still running |
| 10:27.26 | gribozavr | robocop1: invoke-init.d gdm stop, if you use gdm |
| 10:27.53 | gribozavr | robocop1: oh, i mean "invoke-rc.d" |
| 10:28.25 | __arj__ | I'm looking for one for the whole server, not just apache or th. |
| 10:28.29 | robocop1 | gribozavr, thanks |
| 10:28.52 | gribozavr | __arj__: then you should look at tc & friends |
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| 10:29.36 | gschwepp | can someone tell me why apt-get install mencoder doesnt work? |
| 10:29.38 | robocop1 | gribozavr, so im using kde.i just type this in invoke-rd.d kdm ? |
| 10:30.17 | gribozavr | robocop1: if you are using kdm, then yes. kdm and gdm are login managers -- programs that prompt you for username and password |
| 10:30.29 | geek_ | gschwepp: it dosen't seem to be in the default apt repositories |
| 10:30.38 | robocop1 | gribozavr, tthanks |
| 10:30.39 | __arj__ | gribozavr: thx |
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| 10:31.25 | gschwepp | geek_: mplayer is and mencoder not? confusing :) so its not my ftp source |
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| 10:33.02 | gribozavr | __arj__: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.qdisc.html |
| 10:33.11 | geek_ | gschwepp: yup. least what i gather from apt-cache search anyway |
| 10:33.47 | geek_ | isn't entirely familair with debian repos i'm afraid. i mostly use etch as a way to build virtial machines ;p |
| 10:34.12 | gschwepp | geek_: ok so i get it manual ty very much |
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| 10:35.28 | geek_ | gschwepp: i assume its cause mencoder might have copyright issues. |
| 10:36.37 | gschwepp | geek_: yeah maybe i download it debian-multimedia.org |
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| 10:36.48 | geek_ | yeah. |
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| 10:37.26 | robocop1 | gribozavr, thanks for you helps there.but it seems i have a problem with my card (nvidia fx5500) and Lenny.Im forever getting error messages.Im getting new stuff next weeek.I will try then to sort out this nvidia \ Lenny driverr mes |
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| 10:39.39 | war9407 | anyone here run bind with internal (machine-name.int) and external domains? |
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| 10:43.56 | petemc | war9407: i use views |
| 10:44.44 | war9407 | petemc: http://rafb.net/p/h50wZ392.html |
| 10:44.51 | war9407 | petemc: what should I do in my case? |
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| 10:46.18 | petemc | war9407: match-clients { !localnets; } |
| 10:46.39 | war9407 | petemc: researching that now, brb |
| 10:47.05 | petemc | its how you define what the view matches |
| 10:47.24 | war9407 | petemc: and that'll fix the problem of the internal view trying to attach to outgoing dns lookups yes? |
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| 10:48.18 | petemc | it will mean when bind gets a query from a local network, it will know which zone files to use to respond to it |
| 10:48.39 | war9407 | nice, going to try to get that working now |
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| 10:55.29 | jagguli | hi all .. a quick one .. how to purge all removed packages |
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| 10:56.58 | gribozavr | jagguli: start aptitude, put the cursor onto "not installed packages" and press _ g g |
| 10:57.09 | jagguli | thanks |
| 10:57.56 | gschwepp | how can i change my gnome language? :D |
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| 10:58.26 | Similian | hello can I setup rsync so it updates server AtoB and then server BtoA ? |
| 10:58.31 | Similian | is that safe ? |
| 10:59.22 | jagguli | Similian:rsync over ssh should be |
| 11:00.05 | Similian | ok thanks |
| 11:00.31 | war9407 | petemc: fromw hat I read on the oreilly view doc is if you have a one view, you need views for all zones |
| 11:00.33 | war9407 | petemc: correct? |
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| 11:14.38 | gschwepp | im getting crazy how can i change my systemlanguage? |
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| 11:16.42 | ddalton_ | ftp.au.debian.org seems to be down, canm someone fix it from a debian devel end? |
| 11:17.16 | ddalton_ | ping ftp.au.debian.org returns nothing, however, ftp.us.debian.org does |
| 11:17.18 | gribozavr | gschwepp: edit /etc/default/locale |
| 11:18.09 | gribozavr | gschwepp: also run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and generate the locale you have chosen |
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| 11:20.37 | gschwepp | got it ty ;) |
| 11:20.48 | war9407 | petemc: cool, got views working |
| 11:21.00 | war9407 | petemc: but now I need to figure out which I need to restrict the internal ones from going out :) |
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| 11:33.26 | Webmind-org | How do i add a starter in the gnome menu > say Games. |
| 11:34.25 | war9407 | petemc: there? I got views woring properly now but it still looks up the *.internal.lan |
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| 11:36.31 | war9407 | petemc: per what you said earlier, trying :) |
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| 11:37.59 | protocols | hi all |
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| 11:40.23 | onur | Hi. How can i build a package from dsc file? |
| 11:41.17 | arctanx | I'm using a standard tty on debian stable to run elinks and to shell into another computer and use finch -- in both cases, I get artefacts in the screen with the display not being refreshed properly and the odd garbled character. irssi works fine. Does anyone know what might cause this? |
| 11:41.38 | Webmind-org | found alacarte |
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| 11:53.32 | B1ST | hello guys, anyone familiar with burning a dvd with subtitels? |
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| 11:54.37 | defrysk | B1ST, your bets bet is devede its avaulable in the multimedia repository |
| 11:54.51 | defrysk | excuse me the typos |
| 11:55.02 | B1ST | bets? |
| 11:55.14 | B1ST | what app i need for? |
| 11:55.32 | B1ST | +do |
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| 11:56.24 | defrysk | http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/devede.html |
| 11:56.41 | war9407 | 10-Aug-2008 query: 230.194.236.165.wpbl.dnsbl.net.au.internal.lan IN A + |
| 11:56.47 | B1ST | oh, devede |
| 11:56.48 | B1ST | k |
| 11:56.50 | war9407 | its still appending the other domain on outgoing queries, arg |
| 11:57.09 | B1ST | tnx |
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| 11:58.37 | B1ST | wemm defrysk , i use dvd::rip for that, but i don't know how to burn the subtitles on a dvd-rom |
| 11:58.55 | B1ST | i ripped the subtitels but they are in .png format |
| 11:59.08 | defrysk | subtitles in .png ? |
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| 11:59.38 | defrysk | only knows srt |
| 11:59.44 | B1ST | yes |
| 12:00.03 | B1ST | guess i have encode them to srt |
| 12:00.24 | defrysk | does devede not support .png |
| 12:01.14 | defrysk | ? |
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| 12:02.54 | B1ST | dnnow lemme check the app |
| 12:02.58 | defrysk | B1ST, you want to play avifiles with subtitles ? |
| 12:03.08 | B1ST | i ripped a dvd |
| 12:03.10 | B1ST | and now |
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| 12:03.18 | B1ST | i want to burn it onto a dvd |
| 12:03.32 | B1ST | i'm busy with ripping atm |
| 12:03.35 | defrysk | ok then |
| 12:03.39 | B1ST | it's a movie |
| 12:03.41 | defrysk | i would try dvd |
| 12:03.56 | defrysk | devede that is |
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| 12:04.26 | defrysk | i would install it from this repo :http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 12:04.31 | B1ST | defrysk: can i burn with it to? |
| 12:04.42 | B1ST | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.46 | B1ST | i installed it |
| 12:04.49 | B1ST | devede |
| 12:04.53 | defrysk | B1ST, it can create isos |
| 12:05.03 | B1ST | dvd::rip too |
| 12:05.07 | B1ST | and it seems to work |
| 12:05.09 | defrysk | the iso can be burned with a ricghtclick |
| 12:05.12 | B1ST | and ripped subtitels |
| 12:05.21 | B1ST | but in .png |
| 12:05.23 | B1ST | and that's weird |
| 12:05.32 | defrysk | dont know about that |
| 12:05.40 | defrysk | I never rip dvd's |
| 12:06.01 | B1ST | i don't see anything about subtitels in devede |
| 12:06.19 | defrysk | B1ST, select advanced |
| 12:06.23 | humbolt | when lenny? ... when it is finished ... an estimate I would like. in a year or in 3 month? |
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| 12:06.53 | defrysk | humbolt, if everything goes as it should sept |
| 12:08.25 | defrysk | B1ST, a howto : http://www.unix-tutorials.com/go.php?id=3006 |
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| 12:12.25 | war9407 | petemc: there? |
| 12:12.29 | war9407 | petemc: still having some trouble |
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| 12:16.53 | Malee | algum br ai? |
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| 12:17.06 | abrotman | !br |
| 12:17.06 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:17.48 | raijin | i have a quick question, when env is called from where does it parse the information? |
| 12:18.00 | amitheone | can anyone point me to a init.d script for wpasupplicant for lenny?! |
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| 12:24.39 | cahoot | amitheone: why not call it from interfaces? |
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| 12:26.35 | amitheone | cahoot: i seem to be having a bigger problem now anyway :) |
| 12:26.44 | amitheone | i have got ndiswrapper installed |
| 12:27.52 | amitheone | and it's able to display the visible networks in the network settings app in gnome, but wpa_supplicant doesn't seem to find the ndiswrapper, as it says - Unsupported driver 'ndiswrapper' |
| 12:28.08 | amitheone | when i run wpa_supplicant -ieth1 -Dndiswrapper -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 12:28.56 | cahoot | -Dndis? |
| 12:29.39 | amitheone | same Unsupported driver 'ndis'. error 8-| |
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| 12:35.43 | amitheone | man page for wpa_supplicant says, look out for the drivers supported when you run wpa_supplicant -h, but it seems to show only -wext, atmel and wired- when i do that! |
| 12:36.09 | amitheone | how to get wpa_supplicant support ndiswrapper ?! |
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| 12:36.55 | cahoot | amitheone: you know for sure you need ndis? |
| 12:37.14 | amitheone | yup |
| 12:37.38 | amitheone | it's an external US Robotics usr5422 usb adapter |
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| 12:40.16 | quitte | is there a trustworthy tinyca livecd or liveusb available somewhere? |
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| 12:42.56 | amitheone | i tried -Dwext but it gives "ioctl[SIOCSIWPMKSA]: Invalid argument" and "wpa_gui" keeps on saying 'SCANNING' and doesn't connect! |
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| 12:59.19 | quitte | weird. it's sunday and #debian is all quiet |
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| 13:02.25 | abrotman | thanks for messing that up |
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| 13:03.32 | quitte | can't stand the sound of silence |
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| 13:04.14 | robinparker | what is the default media player for gnome, that comes with debian? |
| 13:04.54 | quitte | totem and rhythmbox |
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| 13:07.01 | robinparker | why totem is without sound while, the audio card is being detected? |
| 13:07.30 | quitte | do any other apps give you sound? |
| 13:07.38 | cahoot | spealer-test -t wav -c2 runs ok? |
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| 13:07.41 | robinparker | quitte: yes |
| 13:08.10 | cahoot | totem outputs to alsa? |
| 13:08.22 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 13:08.28 | robinparker | the video is also blinking |
| 13:08.34 | quitte | CAiRO-: it supports a lot of sound outputs |
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| 13:08.55 | jenipapo | I look for an irc on Linux embedded |
| 13:08.59 | quitte | wth. why does irss nick complete that stupid? |
| 13:09.09 | cahoot | quitte: well I wondered if it's configged to alsa output on his system |
| 13:10.45 | quitte | i think it uses gnomes general settings. there is an audio configuration menu somewhere. unfortunately I'm running kde right now so I can't look. |
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| 13:11.06 | jenipapo | nobody knows ? |
| 13:11.09 | quitte | stupid varicad! I hope they finally fix the window focussing in gnom |
| 13:11.35 | quitte | jenipapo: be more specific. |
| 13:11.46 | mhymn | and rephrase please |
| 13:12.49 | quitte | jenipapo: how embedded is it? does it ahve a screen and keyboard? |
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| 13:13.47 | jenipapo | quitte: no screen, no kbd. cpu -> arm9, gps, gsm modem |
| 13:14.10 | pumpkin0 | jenipapo: you should be able to get a console (via ssh) on that system. So use any console IRC-client with logging turned off should work fine. |
| 13:14.13 | quitte | ok. so you want an ic proxy? |
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| 13:14.50 | lauremanaudou | Hi everyone |
| 13:15.00 | jenipapo | quitte: sorry, i mean i look for an irc channel speaking about embedded Linux |
| 13:15.26 | __arj__ | oO |
| 13:15.49 | jenipapo | quitte: I can connect on using "normal" workstation |
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| 13:16.11 | quitte | #emdebian #familiar #opie #openmoko #openembedded |
| 13:16.20 | quitte | #emdebian is on oftc |
| 13:17.35 | jenipapo | quitte: thank you |
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| 13:20.59 | Martiini | how do I back up and restore a partition? I need to reinstall a partition on my home PC. tar command might useful ?? |
| 13:21.50 | __arj__ | cat /dev/hda1 | tar | bzip2 > partition.file ? |
| 13:22.26 | pumpkin0 | __arj__: why the tar in the middle ? |
| 13:22.40 | __arj__ | öhm |
| 13:22.42 | __arj__ | sorry |
| 13:22.43 | lhz | what is the stability of debian + qemu + mips(be) |
| 13:22.44 | __arj__ | was to fast |
| 13:22.50 | __arj__ | forget the tar ^^ |
| 13:24.02 | abrotman | Martiini: will the new partition be the same size? |
| 13:24.40 | Martiini | is there a standard backup command that is being used for backing up and restoring partitions .. tar ... or bzip .. or whatever .. I use parimage but that overwrites all |
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| 13:25.36 | asg | Martiini: you might also look at the venerable dump and restore |
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| 13:26.03 | abrotman | Martiini: you can use tar .. you have preserve permissions etc |
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| 13:26.26 | Martiini | how |
| 13:26.32 | Martiini | what command do I use |
| 13:27.04 | abrotman | man tar? |
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| 13:27.21 | Martiini | debian wiseasses |
| 13:27.37 | cahoot | cute |
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| 13:29.36 | asg | Martiini: you could always check the O'Reilly Backup book; it covers all common available options. Thats how the debian wiseasses learned things, by reading documentation and manpages ... not banging on keys like a monkey. |
| 13:31.12 | Martiini | so , basically you dont know |
| 13:31.17 | lhz | also about backups: http://ttsiodras.googlepages.com/backup.html |
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| 13:31.59 | Martiini | lzh .. why do you give me incorrect page to read |
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| 13:32.19 | Martiini | point me to a section which mentions backing up with tar and resotring on that page |
| 13:32.20 | lhz | incorrect ? |
| 13:32.29 | mhymn | Martiini: even the bot now how to do it! you dont know? so here you are --> /msg dpkg tar |
| 13:32.36 | mhymn | know* |
| 13:32.44 | lhz | Martiini, scroll down on that page.. |
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| 13:33.24 | cahoot | scroll - how? |
| 13:33.58 | lhz | anyone tried that method ? .. or fuse/zfs as mentioned ? |
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| 13:36.05 | Martiini | anyone ever made backup ?? |
| 13:36.13 | Martiini | anyone here ever made a backup? |
| 13:36.38 | XGas | Martiini: backup of what? |
| 13:36.50 | XGas | Military Personal? |
| 13:36.52 | Martiini | of linux filesystem |
| 13:36.56 | Martiini | partition |
| 13:36.59 | cahoot | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-backup.html |
| 13:37.09 | cahoot | even mentions restore |
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| 13:37.52 | Martiini | its confusing .. is there a simple command to back up and restore |
| 13:38.23 | cahoot | troll? |
| 13:38.35 | XGas | cahoot: I think Martiini is suggesting something like dd a partition or tar. |
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| 13:39.02 | XGas | cahoot: be more kind of new users? |
| 13:39.07 | abrotman | Martiini: read the freaking documentation |
| 13:39.35 | wols_ | XGas: this guy was here before. and he didn't improve since then |
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| 13:39.53 | XGas | not everyone has time and/or good at managing time like me to wade through all that documentation |
| 13:40.00 | XGas | wols_: How long now? |
| 13:40.12 | abrotman | long enough that he could have read the docs by now |
| 13:40.17 | wols_ | th0f: then they should hire an admin if they don#t want to learn themselves |
| 13:40.25 | wols_ | *xgas |
| 13:40.33 | XGas | :\ |
| 13:40.40 | Martiini | if you know the command .. why not paste it here .. instead of parting me links to all pages in google |
| 13:40.55 | wols_ | Martiini: ther is no single magic bullet command |
| 13:40.58 | Martiini | instead of pasting links to millions of pages |
| 13:41.10 | abrotman | Martiini: read the freaking documentation |
| 13:41.16 | wols_ | either you read docs of backup systems or you won't have a working backup. simple eh? |
| 13:41.22 | XGas | I only started to use linux based OSes one year ago while juggling with my studies that teaches nothing but Windows Server systems |
| 13:41.35 | wols_ | XGas: do you haev a debian support question? |
| 13:41.48 | XGas | after a year of reading and testing, I can at least do a Gentoo install. |
| 13:41.53 | XGas | wols_: Not yet. |
| 13:42.10 | wols_ | XGas: and please be quiet. or go to #debian-offtopic instead |
| 13:42.16 | XGas | Ok. |
| 13:42.16 | wols_ | s/and/then |
| 13:42.21 | cahoot | XGas: what's the unkind aspect of point him to a relevant doc? |
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| 13:42.34 | wols_ | cahoot: don't feed the 2nd troll please |
| 13:42.55 | XGas | cahoot: I just don't know he has been "trolling" for such a long time. |
| 13:44.35 | lauremanaudou | I'm using a hardware olitech modem with kppp to connect to internet. But i'm disconnected when i receive a call. How can i prevent it ? |
| 13:44.35 | lauremanaudou | I didn't find anything revelant in the ppp/options file. Is it a modem issue ? Or a ppp issue ? |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | lauremanaudou: does your line have call waiting? |
| 13:45.57 | Martiini | so .. to back up /home .. I can use ... tar czf home.tgz ./home |
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| 13:46.13 | greeg | hi |
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| 13:46.42 | Martiini | is there anyone here willing to help me pelase |
| 13:46.45 | greeg | i cant kill -9 <PID Of gam_serve> # when i do it respawns with a new PID. |
| 13:46.53 | idimmu | thats correct Martiini |
| 13:46.53 | lauremanaudou | abrotman: how can i check this ? I don't think so. |
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| 13:47.09 | greeg | i dont know why it's running in the first place. i never seen it before. the last thing i did was resize a partition that i mount in fstab. |
| 13:47.14 | abrotman | lauremanaudou: you'd be paying for it? |
| 13:47.21 | hoxu | Suggestions on how to write a single file to DVD from pipe / stdin? |
| 13:47.22 | abrotman | idimmu: not really |
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| 13:47.45 | jenipapo | quitte: what is oftc? |
| 13:47.49 | hoxu | as far as I understand, growisofs/genisoimage does not accept stdin as parameter |
| 13:47.52 | hoxu | jenipapo, irc network |
| 13:47.56 | abrotman | jenipapo: irc.oftc.net .. another network |
| 13:47.59 | quitte | jenipapo: irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:48.11 | jenipapo | Thank you guys |
| 13:48.47 | idimmu | hmm |
| 13:48.56 | lauremanaudou | abrotman: then no i don't have this or a second number or anything |
| 13:49.12 | abrotman | that used to be a cause |
| 13:49.25 | idimmu | i havent used tar to actualyl 'back up' in ages, backuppc ftw |
| 13:49.28 | lauremanaudou | abrotman: but with the former modem i had (i dumped it cause it would work on linux), i wasn't disconnected when receiving a call |
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| 13:51.34 | Martiini | Can I use file-roller to back up a partition and restore it after reinstall .. will it preserver links etc ?? |
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| 13:52.57 | lauremanaudou | So there's nothing i can do by tuning ppp ? |
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| 13:53.54 | lambdapants | I'm having a bit of a problem with the HAppS packages in debian |
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| 13:55.06 | lambdapants | anyone have any insight? |
| 13:55.28 | XGas | Martiini: There is a lot to consider, links and file permissions will be preserved if you use tar, but you will have to remember to boot strap it properly after restoring it. |
| 13:55.56 | Martiini | that says nothing to me |
| 13:55.59 | XGas | then there is the fstab configurations, etc etc...... |
| 13:56.20 | XGas | Martiinni: Go learn Gentoo, then come back. |
| 13:56.23 | Martiini | cant I just 7zip a mounted partition in /mnt/sda7 .. and restore it the same way |
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| 13:56.33 | idimmu | XGas: how will learning gentoo help him? |
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| 13:56.40 | Martiini | XGas do you learn gentoo |
| 13:56.42 | idimmu | how will that help anyone? |
| 13:56.49 | XGas | idimmu: To be more patient. |
| 13:56.56 | XGas | :) |
| 13:57.03 | Martiini | have you ever backed up a system using tar |
| 13:57.07 | Martiini | yes or no |
| 13:57.10 | abrotman | Martiini: stop |
| 13:57.14 | XGas | Martiini: Yes I did. |
| 13:57.16 | idimmu | nah, some people are inherintly technical, others arent |
| 13:57.19 | idimmu | clearly Martiini is an other |
| 13:57.26 | Martiini | so ... does it work .. |
| 13:57.27 | lambdapants | not so |
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| 13:57.38 | idimmu | *technically minded |
| 13:57.51 | idimmu | 'able to find things out for themselves' etc etc |
| 13:58.14 | Martiini | just tell me yes or no .. when I archive /mnt/hda7 and restore it the same way .. will it work |
| 13:58.37 | Martiini | should I use 7zip or tar or bzip |
| 13:58.37 | lambdapants | weeeell, why not? |
| 13:58.49 | Martiini | and it will work if I do |
| 13:58.52 | XGas | Martiini: Sigh, what file system you are using on that partition |
| 13:58.57 | Martiini | ext3 |
| 13:58.59 | pumpkin0 | Martiini: use tar. |
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| 13:59.20 | lambdapants | anyone know anything about the libghc6 packages in testing? |
| 13:59.24 | idimmu | use cdd |
| 13:59.28 | idimmu | 8DD |
| 13:59.31 | lambdapants | some of them aren't working for me so well. |
| 13:59.37 | lambdapants | ( at all ) |
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| 13:59.59 | XGas | Martiini: Go to the folder that it is mounted, and: tar -cf somename.tar ./ |
| 14:00.05 | XGas | :\ |
| 14:00.28 | XGas | the somename.tar part can be in another location |
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| 14:00.38 | cahoot | recusion? |
| 14:00.41 | XGas | e.g. /mnt/backup/somename.tar |
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| 14:00.57 | XGas | cahoot: haahaa, nice one. |
| 14:01.19 | abrotman | XGas: you're not helping |
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| 14:01.41 | XGas | abrotman: Really? Then I should stop here then, and tell Martiini to use Google.com |
| 14:01.46 | hoxu | !tar partition copy |
| 14:01.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, tar partition copy is to copy contents of a partition, use something like tar -cpv --one-file-system . |(cd /target/path; tar x) |
| 14:01.54 | hoxu | no wait, that's not what you want |
| 14:01.54 | abrotman | oh cheater |
| 14:02.03 | hoxu | or is it? |
| 14:02.13 | abrotman | he still won't read it |
| 14:02.18 | xushi | argh, i need help... i'm getting an error on my raid disk: /dev/md0: Te file system according to the superblock is 244190000 blocks. The physical size of the device is 244189984 blocks. Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!. /dev/md0 unexpected inconsistency. Run fsck manually. |
| 14:02.23 | xushi | i ran fsck manually and it didnt find anything |
| 14:02.27 | Gillpy | Is there a command I can issue as root to completely lock the system down unless root's passwd is entered? |
| 14:02.43 | Gillpy | until* |
| 14:02.43 | hoxu | abrotman, no worries, meanwhile you can tell me how to burn a DVD from pipe/fifo/whatever :P |
| 14:03.07 | mhymn | Gillpy: i know 'vlock' |
| 14:03.11 | abrotman | wodim? mkisofs ? |
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| 14:03.30 | arctanx | Gillpy: single user mode might be close to what you want, perhaps? |
| 14:04.11 | Gillpy | arctanx: you mean like init 1 ? |
| 14:04.16 | arctanx | Gillpy: Yeah that one |
| 14:04.17 | hoxu | abrotman, I use growisofs but I think it doesn't allow reading from stdin... so I guess I should use a fifo or something, but hrmh, I think I'm missing something... |
| 14:04.42 | abrotman | Gillpy: lock down what? |
| 14:05.12 | Gillpy | abrotman: all terminals, and disallow switching to tty7 |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | you can just not start X ? |
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| 14:05.35 | asg | Gillpy: there's the vlock package |
| 14:05.54 | hoxu | abrotman, I think he doesn't want anyone to be able to log in until root password is given, which would lead us to think along single user mode |
| 14:06.19 | abrotman | doesn't sound like a very useful system |
| 14:06.26 | Gillpy | abrotman: I mean if I am working in both consoles and X, and I want to temporarily go get a coffee or something I dont want someone to come see what I was doing |
| 14:06.43 | hoxu | Gillpy, take the monitor cable with you |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | Gillpy: so vlock or use the xscreensaver to lock it |
| 14:07.29 | asg | Gillpy: if you disable the ability in X to run CTRL+ALT+Fn and use xscreensave or xlockmore, that'll work. |
| 14:07.32 | hoxu | Gillpy, well, for X, just lock it, and for the consoles... use screen, you can lock that |
| 14:07.41 | asg | Gillpy: you can still switch to consoles with it disabled using chvt |
| 14:07.48 | hoxu | asg, until ctrl-alt-backspace? ;) |
| 14:08.18 | arctanx | If you're in a hurry to have your coffee break, you could turn off the screen, unplug the keyboard and hope for the best |
| 14:08.27 | hoxu | I think for console the most sensible approach is to use screen and c-a x |
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| 14:08.42 | Gillpy | hoxu: I do, but that leaves x open |
| 14:08.57 | Gillpy | Thanks guys, I will write a script to do this for me |
| 14:09.00 | hoxu | Gillpy, see the balizzion suggestions above to lock X |
| 14:09.08 | dustybin | what would i need to put in replace of the ??????? to allow everyone from localhost to access this database: |
| 14:09.11 | dustybin | GRANT ALL ON zenphoto.* TO ??????@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "password" |
| 14:09.22 | hoxu | dustybin, '%' ? |
| 14:09.27 | dustybin | oh right |
| 14:09.29 | abrotman | dustybin: ask #mysql ? |
| 14:09.30 | dustybin | ill test thanks |
| 14:09.32 | hoxu | dustybin, just a guess |
| 14:09.40 | Humpel | Hi there. Just installing a lenny with XEN and I am wondering why it is going to install asound and fonts for the xen-tools |
| 14:09.49 | mhymn | Gillpy: and if in KDE, simply use 'ctrl+alt+l' |
| 14:10.25 | hoxu | does ctrl-alt-l work in gnome? |
| 14:10.54 | mhymn | anyone using gnome around? :P |
| 14:11.15 | Humpel | mhymn: yup |
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| 14:11.34 | mhymn | Humpel: does ctrl-alt-l work in gnome? |
| 14:11.37 | Humpel | ctrl+alt+l is locking my screen here in gnome |
| 14:11.45 | mhymn | OK, ty |
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| 14:11.59 | Martiini | linux makes me feel ill .. I do dist-upgrade .. and it refuses to boot ... then I chrooted and installed new kernel because initrd was missing .. and then it says it cannot find root partition when booting .. apparently initrd is missing a module or somethig |
| 14:12.02 | Humpel | mhymn: no prob ;) |
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| 14:12.36 | n0mad | Martiini, bee strong |
| 14:13.16 | Martiini | Im glad Im not an IT guy |
| 14:13.25 | Humpel | I've been fighting with different distros to set put a XEN system... no luck so far, but a few wasted days :/ |
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| 14:13.51 | hoxu | Martiini, we are glad you don't get paid for sharing our pains too ;) |
| 14:13.58 | idimmu | i got a xen system working on ubuntu in literally minutes |
| 14:14.00 | Humpel | and now lenny wants all the sound and fonts stuff for a text based XEN server... haha! |
| 14:14.04 | idimmu | you must suck :( |
| 14:14.27 | Humpel | well, my ubuntu 8.04 server dition has always been hanging when starting any VM |
| 14:14.50 | Martiini | is there really no way software could be made to work like its supposed to work .. I often wonder |
| 14:15.06 | Humpel | etch flooded the screen with "time went backwards" messages and the time in the domUs went much faster as it should |
| 14:15.32 | abrotman | Martiini: maybe you should try another distro if Debian is too hard for you |
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| 14:15.55 | hoxu | !be a debian barbie |
| 14:15.55 | dpkg | Aww, debian is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu |
| 14:16.00 | Martiini | linux in general .. Ive tried about 30 distros |
| 14:16.03 | Humpel | Martiini: to be honest: no ;) |
| 14:16.15 | Martiini | debian and suse are the best distros |
| 14:16.29 | wols_ | Martiini: then why do you still persist? do you love pain? are you masochistic? if so, see a shrink |
| 14:16.43 | Martiini | but dist-upgrade still breaks linux systems and desktops dont function like supposed to |
| 14:16.55 | Martiini | Im alinux fan .. but its hard |
| 14:16.58 | Humpel | ha... suse... lol. just set up a openSuSE-11, installed the virtualization and yast2 said: just reboot. Done, and what happened: all I got is a grub console. great! |
| 14:17.01 | abrotman | Martiini: and which Distro are you using now? |
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| 14:17.34 | cahoot | (the acid test coming up) |
| 14:17.36 | hoxu | Martiini, you are lucky, I'm sure http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ is looking for more authors |
| 14:17.50 | Martiini | well .. Im in debian kde4 .. but my suse broke after last upgrade .. thats why I came here asking how to back up suse and reinstall |
| 14:18.08 | abrotman | Martiini: there is no kde4 in debian unless you're using experimental |
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| 14:18.30 | wols_ | abrotman: wanna bet how it's "based on debian"? |
| 14:18.41 | gyaresu | Anyone got problems installing 'gem install god' ? |
| 14:18.54 | Martiini | kde4 works ok for me .. only some things dont function like supposed to .. expeienced only few crashes in kde4 so far |
| 14:18.54 | hoxu | gyaresu, nope, not at all, no one |
| 14:19.09 | asg | wols_: or the 'I just grabbed random debs based on some tripe I read on howtoforge and now nothing works like it's supposed to.' |
| 14:19.10 | wols_ | gyaresu: what is gem? |
| 14:19.10 | abrotman | Martiini: which distro are you using? |
| 14:19.14 | B1ST | hmm, anyone got cdrecord probs using 2.6.25-2-686, it worked with older versions |
| 14:19.16 | Martiini | debian |
| 14:19.21 | hoxu | wols_, bet it's ruby stuff |
| 14:19.35 | wols_ | bier: there is no cdrecord in debian. wodim only |
| 14:19.36 | gyaresu | ruby on rails |
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| 14:19.46 | wols_ | B1ST: ^^ |
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| 14:19.52 | gyaresu | gem is like a package manager. |
| 14:20.00 | B1ST | wols_: ? |
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| 14:20.18 | wols_ | B1ST: there is no cdrecord in debian. wodim only |
| 14:20.40 | B1ST | i have cdrecord |
| 14:20.48 | wols_ | B1ST: you might. but it's not debian |
| 14:21.01 | wols_ | so if you have problems with it: ask the guy who wrote it |
| 14:21.20 | wols_ | but careful: if it's really wodim he will flame you to a crisp |
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| 14:21.25 | wols_ | !wodim |
| 14:21.25 | dpkg | hmm... wodim is a DFSG compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ about the release notice. |
| 14:21.39 | B1ST | wols_: it's the same prob tho |
| 14:21.44 | B1ST | Cannot open SCSI driver! |
| 14:21.44 | B1ST | For possible targets try 'wodim --devices' or 'wodim -scanbus'. |
| 14:21.58 | wols_ | B1ST: so you don't have cdrecord |
| 14:22.00 | B1ST | and i'm sure i burned a dvd some time ago |
| 14:22.04 | B1ST | i have both |
| 14:22.25 | wols_ | for the last time: there is no cdrecord. end of it. there is NO binary whatsoever that is cdrecord |
| 14:22.41 | wols_ | cdrecord - Dummy transition package for wodim |
| 14:22.49 | wols_ | notice the "dummy transtition" part... |
| 14:22.52 | B1ST | Uitpakken van cdrecord (uit .../cdrecord_9%3a1.1.8-1_all.deb) ... |
| 14:22.59 | B1ST | yer drunk, isn't it? |
| 14:23.09 | wols_ | B1ST: you are. apt-cache show cdrecord and READ |
| 14:23.16 | Gillpy | asg: Any hints on where xlockmore is? I can't find it. |
| 14:23.24 | wols_ | B1ST: the fact that it's a _all package is also a huge clue |
| 14:23.31 | abrotman | Gillpy: xscreensaver is all there is now .. it has a locking option |
| 14:23.32 | wols_ | !tell Gillpy about search |
| 14:23.35 | asg | Gillpy: it's not available in etch but you can easily backport it from testing or sid (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 14:24.02 | amphi | Gillpy: or there's xtrlock, if you want simplicity |
| 14:24.18 | B1ST | ok ok, wols_, but with wodim it's not workin' too |
| 14:24.25 | abrotman | asg: it's not in lenny |
| 14:24.54 | asg | abrotman: hmmm, okay. It was in sid, at least, some time back because I built a backport. |
| 14:25.10 | abrotman | still is |
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| 14:25.59 | eddieBB | i'm trying to run vnstat but get this message. "Replace 'eth0' with the interface that should be monitored." can anyone help me? |
| 14:27.05 | wols_ | eddieBB: how do you run it? what commandline? |
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| 14:27.23 | eddieBB | vnstat -h |
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| 14:28.22 | wols_ | eddieBB: man vnstat and set the interface parameter properly |
| 14:28.50 | eddieBB | wols_: how do i do that? |
| 14:28.57 | Humpel | anyone in here lucky setting up lenny with xen ? |
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| 14:31.55 | eddieBB | wols_: ? |
| 14:34.37 | PinkFreud | Humpel: no luck about it. unless it's changed recently (I don't think it has), lenny lacks a xen dom0 kernel. |
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| 14:35.13 | eddieBB | i'm trying to run vnstat but get this message. "Replace 'eth0' with the interface that should be monitored." can anyone help me? |
| 14:35.43 | defrysk | man vnstat |
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| 14:36.33 | Humpel | PinkFreud: aha... tnx. Well, there is a kernel, but grub exits with error 13 (13 : Invalid or unsupported executable format). Well, at least I don't have to worry about the sound for the xen-tools anymore ;) |
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| 14:37.27 | eddieBB | defrysk: and then? |
| 14:37.34 | PinkFreud | Humpel: which kernel, and is this a dom0 or a domU? |
| 14:37.42 | gladideg | My network is only running at 100mbit, when I have a 1gbit card installed... Any suggestions? |
| 14:37.50 | defrysk | set the interface parameter properly |
| 14:38.26 | eddieBB | defrysk: ya. that's what i'm stuck on. i'm new to Linux and have no idea how to do that |
| 14:38.35 | eddieBB | defrysk: i don't even know where to start |
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| 14:39.33 | Humpel | PinkFreud: well, I apt-get install linux-image-xen-686 for the dom0 |
| 14:39.58 | Humpel | PinkFreud: still setting up dom=... not even thinking about the domUs yet ;) |
| 14:40.16 | peope | Hello. I am using debian stable. I'm looking for an efficient bittorrent client for commandline. I'm using aria2 at the moment but I believe it does not have the features of e.g. azureus/vuze |
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| 14:41.23 | defrysk | eddieBB, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/330 |
| 14:41.51 | PinkFreud | Humpel: I'm about to attempt to boot 2.6.18-6-686 as a dom0 with xen 3.2 |
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| 14:41.54 | Crypticfortune | So lets say I want to reduce the size of a pv in an LVM. how should i go about doing that? Most of the pv is free (and i assume it's only been used from the beginning end), so if i just resize the partition, will LVM detect that and fix stuff up appropriately? or is there much manual tweaking required? |
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| 14:42.22 | mhymn | !torrent |
| 14:42.22 | dpkg | methinks torrent is apt-cache search torrent and then pick a package you like, install it and read its documentation |
| 14:42.35 | PinkFreud | so far, so good. |
| 14:42.38 | Humpel | PinkFreud: I had a 2.6.18 on etch working, but it flooded everything with "time went backwards" |
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| 14:43.05 | Humpel | PinkFreud: and it seems to be a known problem which hasn't been solved yet :( That's why I am giving lenny a try |
| 14:43.28 | PinkFreud | I haven't seen that issue, so I can't say what causes it |
| 14:44.21 | PinkFreud | Linux eriador-vm-master 2.6.18-6-xen-686 #1 SMP Wed Jun 18 01:17:40 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:44.23 | Humpel | PinkFreud: just one example: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-09/msg00631.html |
| 14:44.31 | PinkFreud | it boots. |
| 14:45.24 | Humpel | PinkFreud: or here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xen/+bug/146924 |
| 14:45.55 | Humpel | PinkFreud: well... it has been "working" here to... except the flooding and that the time in the domUs went faster |
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| 14:46.41 | PinkFreud | I mean, it works under lenny :) |
| 14:46.58 | tview | Is there any way in debian to ramcache a certain directory at system start? |
| 14:47.06 | PinkFreud | $ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 14:47.07 | PinkFreud | lenny/sid |
| 14:47.10 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 14:47.43 | Humpel | PinkFreud: ah.... I'll give it a try ;) |
| 14:47.49 | abrotman | tview: you mean a ramdrive? |
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| 14:48.12 | PinkFreud | Humpel: This is an i686 kernel, booting under kvm on a quad core amd64 kernel. |
| 14:48.32 | tview | abrotman: no. just it cached in ram. I dont want to access a different path. |
| 14:48.38 | PinkFreud | (yes, there's a reason for such silliness, but I'm not going to go into it :) ) |
| 14:49.01 | abrotman | tview: it would be after the first time you accessed it ? |
| 14:49.04 | PinkFreud | if I can get the dom0 to boot under kvm, then one would think it should boot on bare metal :) |
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| 14:49.26 | Humpel | PinkFreud: the IS a reason ??? ;) hard to believe. Looks pretty random to me after reading 100 of pages about it |
| 14:49.51 | tview | abrotman: not really it seems. My emacs startup takes same time 10th time as first time. |
| 14:49.57 | PinkFreud | no, there is a reason I'm booting a Xen dom0 under Linux KVM |
| 14:49.59 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | tview: have you considered that emacs is just a bloated pile of poo ? :) |
| 14:50.35 | PinkFreud | abrotman: everything except for the kitchen sink |
| 14:50.37 | tview | abrotman: I'll ignore that ... :-; |
| 14:50.54 | lambdapants | my toaster has a built in lisp interpreter |
| 14:50.56 | tview | PinkFreud: total nonsense. highly configurable. |
| 14:51.00 | PinkFreud | starts a religious text editor war |
| 14:51.07 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 14:51.09 | tview | things are there if you want them. |
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| 14:51.29 | tview | we won't mention "vi" ..... But anyway back to the cache thing. |
| 14:51.36 | lambdapants | but want itself, now that is something you can never not want! |
| 14:51.39 | PinkFreud | tview: I like vi just fine, thank you :) |
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| 14:51.45 | lambdapants | vim vim vim. |
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| 14:51.57 | PinkFreud | in fact, I prefer elvis (which, sadly, appears to be all but dead, development-wise) |
| 14:51.57 | tview | PinkFreud: I used to too before I realised it was so limited like vim .... |
| 14:52.03 | lambdapants | anyway I'd like to say that the happs packages in testing are pretty messed up.... |
| 14:52.14 | PinkFreud | tview: works just fine for me :) |
| 14:52.22 | abrotman | lambdapants: you can file bugs on it if you choose |
| 14:52.24 | gladideg | anyone know of a irc channel where I can ask Q's about VM's ? Proxmox/KVM/Qemu ? |
| 14:52.26 | tview | PinkFreud: yes. With your limited needs ..... |
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| 14:52.44 | Humpel | thinks joe rocks ;) |
| 14:52.46 | PinkFreud | anyway, I really do know better than to find religion with my text editor. |
| 14:53.06 | tview | I would agree. Now, back to the cache question ... |
| 14:53.22 | PinkFreud | There are far better things to be religious about... my god is better than your god, and I'll bomb the hell out of your counry to prove it! |
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| 14:53.29 | lambdapants | as kurt vonnegut says of god, the text editor is utterly indifferent to your feelings towards it |
| 14:53.32 | eshat | Hi all |
| 14:53.33 | PinkFreud | s/counry/country/ |
| 14:53.40 | lambdapants | all hail the text editor of the utterly indifferent |
| 14:53.40 | tview | PinkFreud: you are the only one talking about religiion.... |
| 14:53.42 | PinkFreud | lambdapants: indeed |
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| 14:53.57 | abrotman | tview: it really should cache/buffer them |
| 14:54.15 | tview | abrotman: "it" being debian? |
| 14:54.18 | PinkFreud | tview: I'm the only one who mentioned religion. I don't think I'm the only one talking about it, though. :P |
| 14:54.25 | abrotman | tview: linux/OS/whatever |
| 14:54.30 | tview | PinkFreud: actually you are. |
| 14:54.36 | abrotman | !ot |
| 14:54.36 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 14:54.49 | PinkFreud | yeah, about that on-topic thing... :) |
| 14:55.43 | PinkFreud | Humpel: which hypervisor are you trying to boot in lenny? |
| 14:56.04 | Humpel | PinkFreud: well, if it was booting at all.... |
| 14:56.12 | PinkFreud | Humpel: hence, 'trying' |
| 14:56.13 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 14:57.10 | Humpel | PinkFreud: well, I just installed a fresh lenny and the linux-xen-image with bridge-utils |
| 14:57.17 | Humpel | PinkFreud: seems to be 3.2.1 |
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| 14:57.39 | PinkFreud | I installed etchnhalf and then dist-upgraded to lenny. |
| 14:57.46 | PinkFreud | that shouldn't matter, though |
| 14:57.51 | Humpel | PinkFreud: and I am not even getting behind grub, so I guess it shouldn't matter what version of the hypervisor is waitng to be started, right ? |
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| 14:58.39 | PinkFreud | actually, it does, as grub is exiting with an error while trying to boot it :) |
| 14:59.06 | PinkFreud | can you pastebin your grub configuration (or, at the very least, the part of it relevant to your dom0)? |
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| 14:59.57 | Humpel | PinkFreud: yeah... but error 13 looks like the kernel is not exactly of that typ what grub is looking for |
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| 15:00.29 | PinkFreud | Humpel: that's why I'd like to take a look at how you're attempting to boot the kernel :) |
| 15:00.32 | Humpel | PinkFreud: sure... just a sec... robbooting... I was already finishing up for today |
| 15:00.36 | PinkFreud | k |
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| 15:01.23 | Moojk | I have something writing to the disk all the time, how can I see what program it is? |
| 15:01.41 | greeg | hi |
| 15:01.47 | Jan| | does debian have a software manager similar to the add/remove programs in windows ? |
| 15:01.47 | greeg | how can i view unallocated space on a hard drive And in terms of bytes (megs or gigs), and Not blocks. |
| 15:01.52 | abrotman | df |
| 15:02.18 | eshat | Which cpufreq gouver do I have to choose, so that my computer works at minimal Mhz ? |
| 15:02.26 | greeg | abrotman: is that for me? |
| 15:02.27 | greeg | df |
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| 15:02.40 | abrotman | greeg: did you try it ? |
| 15:02.42 | Humpel | PinkFreud: hmmm... no hypervisor installed at all ??!! What the *** ???? |
| 15:02.50 | greeg | abrotman: i think i have more than 10M available |
| 15:02.55 | greeg | udev 10M 64K 10M 1% /dev |
| 15:03.01 | m0 | Hello, squid_2.6.5-6etch1_i386.deb) isn't that a bit old? |
| 15:03.03 | abrotman | on /dev/ ? |
| 15:03.04 | m0 | The new one is 3.0 |
| 15:03.07 | greeg | df -h /dev/hdb |
| 15:03.11 | Dewi | greeg: you don't store your stuff in dev |
| 15:03.13 | abrotman | m0: that's what is in etch |
| 15:03.20 | greeg | i umounted it |
| 15:03.23 | Dewi | greeg: block devices don't have "free space", filesystems do |
| 15:03.28 | greeg | fdisk doesent say much |
| 15:03.36 | m0 | abrotman: why isn't it updated? |
| 15:03.42 | Dewi | greeg: partitions don't have "free space", filesystems do |
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| 15:03.50 | Dewi | greeg: why are you unmounting? |
| 15:03.57 | hark | Moojk: do an : echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump ; tail -f /var/log/debug |
| 15:04.03 | Humpel | PinkFreud: anyway: grub: root (hd1,0) - kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-xen-686 root=/dev/md0 ro - initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25-2-xen-686 |
| 15:04.06 | abrotman | m0: that's the way Debian/stable works |
| 15:04.12 | greeg | Dewi: i resized a partition. how could unallocated space have a filesystem since you have to run resizemkfs prior to resizeing the partition |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 15:04.17 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 15:04.25 | PinkFreud | 2.6.25 isn't a dom0 |
| 15:04.36 | Dewi | greeg: er... oh |
| 15:04.50 | PinkFreud | Humpel: the only dom0 kernel debian has is 2.6.18 |
| 15:04.52 | greeg | err resize2fs |
| 15:04.57 | Dewi | greeg: multiply sectors by 512 |
| 15:04.58 | Humpel | PinkFreud: aha... good to know |
| 15:05.14 | greeg | ugh... i thought thats what computers are for. |
| 15:05.15 | greeg | sigh |
| 15:05.17 | Dewi | greeg: or better still use the 'cylinder size' display in fdisk and multiply by cylinders |
| 15:05.33 | Moojk | hark: kjournald ? |
| 15:05.39 | Dewi | greeg: fine, find some partition tool that will hold your hand |
| 15:05.39 | PinkFreud | Humpel: this is what I was saying earlier. :) You'll likely need to grab that kernel from etch. |
| 15:05.44 | Dewi | greeg: maybe gparted or something |
| 15:06.19 | PinkFreud | 2.6.25 should work as a domU kernel, but it lacks dom0 support |
| 15:06.31 | greeg | 'cylinder size'*512 = unallocated space? |
| 15:06.47 | greeg | cylinder size of what. the whole device? |
| 15:06.47 | Dewi | greeg: um... no |
| 15:06.51 | Jan| | does debian have a package manager? |
| 15:07.11 | Dewi | greeg: don't just pick 3 separate things I mentioned in the last 5 minutes and make them into an equation |
| 15:07.27 | grand_grunt | Jan|: GUI or command line? |
| 15:07.27 | greeg | sectorsize * cylinder size |
| 15:07.32 | Dewi | greeg: find the start and end cylinder of the unallocated space |
| 15:07.38 | greeg | aww fuck that. |
| 15:07.54 | Dewi | greeg: and subtract them, and multiply by the cylinder byte size |
| 15:08.09 | Jan| | grand_grunt, GIU |
| 15:08.13 | Jan| | grand_grunt, GUI |
| 15:08.16 | Multiply | Dewi :( |
| 15:08.24 | grand_grunt | Jan|: Synaptic |
| 15:08.30 | Jan| | ok |
| 15:08.41 | Dewi | Multiply: yeah nobody likes doing you, I'm afraid |
| 15:08.45 | Dewi | Multiply: those days are gone |
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| 15:08.58 | Dewi | poor old mr multiply |
| 15:09.05 | Multiply | Dewi: At leat my girlfriends does. |
| 15:09.18 | Multiply | :P |
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| 15:09.25 | Humpel | PinkFreud: yeah... but I got enough for the weekend. NAyway, thanks alot for the help! |
| 15:09.30 | thinkgnu | is there anyone who knows about obstack.h ? |
| 15:09.32 | faileas | miss right (hand)? |
| 15:09.41 | PinkFreud | np |
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| 15:10.45 | abrotman | thinkgnu: be less vague |
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| 15:12.21 | thinkgnu | why some projects add obstack.h to they project while we have it in /usr/include/obstack.h ?? |
| 15:12.33 | abrotman | ask the projects |
| 15:12.36 | hark | Moojk: that's ext3 related. to do with the journaling |
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| 15:12.43 | tux | hi |
| 15:12.53 | tux | i've got an unrelated to debian question |
| 15:12.57 | tux | (but not that much :)) |
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| 15:13.24 | tux | i've got a bunch of 7z files (seven zip) and i need to do a batch to convert them in zip |
| 15:13.28 | schasi | hi there |
| 15:13.33 | asg | then ask in #unrelated-to-debian-but-not-that-much or #bash |
| 15:14.16 | tux | asg, you know there is a special seat for you in hell ? :) |
| 15:14.22 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 15:14.24 | tux | thanks anyway |
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| 15:14.56 | asg | tux: #bash, as I said, will easily help you solve that problem. |
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| 15:19.52 | Gillpy | Is there a way I can mount a remote ftp directory (anonymous login, ro) locally? |
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| 15:22.13 | schasi | Is there a way to get a gentoo xen domU as easy as it is with <somedebiandist> and xen-create-image ... using debootstrap? |
| 15:22.24 | OBcecado | Gillpy: lufs |
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| 15:22.28 | OBcecado | google for it |
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| 15:23.59 | Erik_ | Hi! My installation of LennyBeta2 wont boot... it freezes just after "wating for /dev to be fully populated...". Does anyone have any suggestions where I can find any information about this? I have tried some googling without success. |
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| 15:27.44 | freeNag | ich muss hein bug reportiern |
| 15:27.45 | Gillpy | OBcecado: looks perfect, thanks |
| 15:28.40 | freeNag | any ones be able to ply gta4 on debian ? |
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| 15:29.23 | utb_diablo | didnt try |
| 15:29.47 | idimmu | works for me in wine |
| 15:30.21 | freeNag | cuncurrently im rung 13 game servers using debian |
| 15:30.41 | idimmu | unlucky for some |
| 15:30.44 | idimmu | lucky for others! |
| 15:30.48 | utb_diablo | ;) |
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| 15:31.51 | eljefe | I would like to run powerstepping on my Pentium D processor, but I cannot load the module: ".../.../speedstep_centrino.ko not found" Lenny 2.6.25-2-686, any ideas or tips? |
| 15:31.54 | deus___ | hi |
| 15:32.01 | freeNag | im running a honnor armyops server 2 |
| 15:32.20 | eljefe | !sppedstep |
| 15:32.25 | eljefe | !speedstep |
| 15:32.26 | dpkg | from memory, speedstep is the frequency scaling feature found on some Intel mobile processors. Ask me about {cpufreq}. |
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| 15:32.32 | eljefe | !cpufreq |
| 15:32.32 | dpkg | i heard cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 15:32.33 | freeNag | !speedstep |
| 15:33.52 | DawnLight | eljefe: i think you'd want the p4-clockmod modules |
| 15:33.59 | DawnLight | module |
| 15:34.00 | eljefe | ok well installed that but i still don't think it is working |
| 15:34.08 | eljefe | ok i'll try that... |
| 15:34.22 | DawnLight | and the cpufreq-ondemand module |
| 15:34.25 | m0 | Hi, I am configuring my Squid proxy server and my intenal ip of the box is: 192.168.133.184, so I set my ACL to the following: acl INTERNAL src 192.168.133.0/24 |
| 15:34.29 | eljefe | still tells me its not found, but the files are there with ls |
| 15:34.33 | DawnLight | and edit /etc/default/cpufrequtils |
| 15:34.50 | DawnLight | eljefe: what files? |
| 15:34.54 | m0 | But, I always get Access Denied. when connecting it from home (my box is overseas) |
| 15:35.15 | eljefe | I don't have /etc/default/cpufrequtils and i cannot load the kernel modules.ko files |
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| 15:36.51 | DawnLight | eljefe: did you install cpufrequtils? |
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| 15:37.18 | eljefe | yes i already have that |
| 15:37.55 | DawnLight | eljefe: so how come you don't have /etc/default/cpufrequtils ? do you have /usr/share/doc/cpufrequtils? |
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| 15:38.17 | eljefe | I am not sure; yes I have the docs |
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| 15:38.57 | DawnLight | are you sure you don't have that file? what does 'ls -l /etc/default | grep cpufrequtils' say? |
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| 15:40.12 | greeg | Dewi: you said, find the start and end cylinder of the unallocated space. dont you mean blocks? fdisk -l displays in terms of blocks? |
| 15:40.14 | eljefe | i am sure; that has no output; this 'ls -l /etc/default | grep cpu' only gives 'cpudyn' |
| 15:41.07 | DawnLight | eljefe: is this etch? |
| 15:41.11 | eljefe | Lenny |
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| 15:41.49 | DawnLight | eljefe: users of lenny should be able to solve these kind of problems on their own. use etch if you want a stable system |
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| 15:42.09 | Dewi | greeg: I don't know what blocks are |
| 15:42.15 | DawnLight | eljefe: otherwise, if this isn't a bug, check the docs for that package. perhaps they moved the config file |
| 15:42.35 | greeg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.37 | DawnLight | i know etch. i can help with etch |
| 15:42.53 | abrotman | greeg: how does 'df' not do what you want ? |
| 15:42.55 | eljefe | thanks :) Does anyone else have ideas about my 2.6.25-2-686, Lenny system not being able to use CPU-stepping on a Pentium D? |
| 15:43.00 | Dewi | greeg: fdisk tells you how many bytes in a cylinder, and the start and end cylinders for the range |
| 15:43.26 | eljefe | DawnLight its not like i can really go back at this point; in staleld with the Lenny installer and want to keep the newer software |
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| 15:44.28 | greeg | abrotman: becuase i know that i have more than 10M available |
| 15:44.30 | greeg | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 15:44.31 | greeg | udev 10M 64K 10M 1% /dev |
| 15:44.40 | abrotman | greeg: try just `df -h` |
| 15:44.43 | greeg | i did |
| 15:44.46 | abrotman | it should show all filesystems |
| 15:44.47 | greeg | df -h /dev/hdb |
| 15:44.50 | abrotman | no |
| 15:44.51 | abrotman | greeg: try just `df -h` |
| 15:45.15 | abrotman | fdisk knows nothing about space consumed |
| 15:46.17 | icedtea | why is there a linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 and a linux-image-2.6.25-2-xen-686 when xen is enable in both?? |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | metapackage likely |
| 15:47.05 | greeg | abrotman: before resizeing /dev/hdb i ran resize2fs /dev/hdb 118G. then i resized the partition to 118G. why does df -h say |
| 15:47.08 | greeg | /dev/hdb1 117G 117G 0 100% /home/jerware/slave |
| 15:47.11 | greeg | and no 118 |
| 15:47.19 | abrotman | rounding? |
| 15:47.30 | abrotman | division? |
| 15:47.52 | DawnLight | eljefe: did you read the README.Debian? |
| 15:47.59 | greeg | how accurate. |
| 15:48.14 | abrotman | i didn't say it was |
| 15:48.21 | eljefe | i am now DawnLight |
| 15:48.33 | abrotman | you know .. like HDD companies do the rounding junk |
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| 15:48.49 | greeg | anyway... there is nothing under df that mentions unallocated space http://rafb.net/p/UDYWh091.html |
| 15:49.25 | abrotman | so you used it all ? |
| 15:49.46 | greeg | no it's a 160 gig hard drive. and there's swap and an extended filesystem on there too |
| 15:49.56 | greeg | /dev/hdb1 is on a slave hard drive. |
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| 15:50.22 | greeg | the 100% is incorrect too. |
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| 15:50.27 | greeg | there should be a gig extra |
| 15:50.36 | onur | How can i build a package from packages dsc file? |
| 15:50.42 | greeg | 117 was the original value before resizeing. it's like it never updated the table |
| 15:50.55 | klync | is there a way for me to get a list of pkgs i've installed recently - after the fact? i'm wishing i had done `get selections` before installing a bunch of stuff i'd like to now remove |
| 15:51.55 | cahoot | klync: like /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 15:52.04 | klync | cahoot: woot! thx! |
| 15:52.11 | PhorceP | I took a fully upgraded etch to lenny and now samba won't start. Not seeing any errors in the logs and when I run /etc/init.d/samba there is no output... |
| 15:52.17 | klync | screws his head back on |
| 15:52.22 | DawnLight | klync: go in aptitude and press <l> and type '~i !~M' and go through everything |
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| 15:53.12 | DawnLight | PhorceP: if this is the best you can debug, then use etch. |
| 15:54.26 | PhorceP | daenlight: I'm kind of thinking it should just work |
| 15:54.48 | PhorceP | I'm not exactly running a highly customized install here |
| 15:55.25 | eljefe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:57.05 | eljefe | i meant, replace that file. back it up of course. |
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| 16:00.12 | PhorceP | eljefe: testparm doesn't find anything wrong with it... |
| 16:01.30 | djs | Hey all. Debian is behaving much nicer than my previous distro. Only thing is, I still can't get it to give me a newer kernel with the etchandahalf bit. I added the right repo, but apt-get update&upgrade say nothing available. |
| 16:01.49 | kimabrandt | How can I create (in general) a deb-archive from a program installed from source (not set up for debian systems) and from binary? That maybe gives me two answers. Just point me somewhere, please. |
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| 16:02.20 | abrotman | kimabrandt: do you want to make a package? |
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| 16:02.32 | PhorceP | what bothers me is that /etc/init.d/samba literally returns no output. I've got another lenny install with samba on it and when you run that script it returns "Usage: /etc/init.d/samba {start|stop|reload|restart|force-reload}" |
| 16:02.38 | abrotman | uhm .. that didn't come out right |
| 16:02.51 | abrotman | kimabrandt: you'd have to create the package from the original source .. |
| 16:02.52 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 16:02.53 | war9407 | petemc: there? |
| 16:03.01 | war9407 | does anyone here run bind for internal and external DNS? |
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| 16:03.07 | klync | i want to remove the zope3 pkg and install it from source. wondering if anyone here has the experience to look through the list of pkgs i'm about to remove and recommend which ones i should keep to install zope3 from zopeproject ... http://pastebin.com/d47aba59d |
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| 16:03.27 | Nazcafan | I am running lenny and I get an error when trying to upgrade texlive-latex-base |
| 16:03.45 | abrotman | Nazcafan: errors ? |
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| 16:04.05 | kimabrandt | abrotman: Yes... I want to make my own install-cd and need to package some programs I want to install with my distribution. |
| 16:04.07 | eljefe | PhorceP maybe apt-get purge samba and reinstall it? again, back up your changes... |
| 16:04.10 | Nazcafan | abrotman: just a sec, I'll change my locale to C first |
| 16:04.20 | abrotman | !tell kimabrandt about mg |
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| 16:06.07 | Nazcafan | abrotman http://rafb.net/p/XGq5yh81.html |
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| 16:07.06 | PhorceP | eljefe: Yeah...wow...somehow samba wasn't installed... |
| 16:07.29 | kimabrandt | abrotman: ``microscopic GNU Emacs-style editor''? Please continue... |
| 16:07.48 | abrotman | who what? |
| 16:07.48 | eljefe | :) |
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| 16:08.06 | abrotman | Nazcafan: say "n" ? |
| 16:08.14 | eljefe | !tell eljefe about mg |
| 16:08.22 | abrotman | !tell eljefe about selftell |
| 16:08.37 | abrotman | kimabrandt: you're not making sense |
| 16:08.41 | kimabrandt | What's with ``mg''? |
| 16:08.44 | Nazcafan | abrotman: and next question will be whether I want to install the package anyway. Is it safe to answer yes ? |
| 16:09.03 | abrotman | i'd guess |
| 16:09.21 | eljefe | kimabrandt if/when you finish your custom install and distro, would you create a blog post or howto about it? I would love to learn about that |
| 16:09.29 | abrotman | !mg |
| 16:09.29 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 16:09.37 | abrotman | you asked how to make a package |
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| 16:10.40 | kimabrandt | eljefe: How do you want me to notify you? |
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| 16:11.32 | eljefe | hmm, I am usually in here |
| 16:12.01 | eljefe | otherwise, you could email me at eljefedelito @ gmail<dot> com |
| 16:12.11 | kimabrandt | abrotman: Yes I did... from sources that are not set up for debian systems and some which install from binaries... can I use `fakeroot'? |
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| 16:13.47 | kimabrandt | eljefe: I will send you an email then. |
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| 16:14.28 | n-iCe | How can I install my joystick? |
| 16:14.31 | n-iCe | look: |
| 16:15.32 | n-iCe | http://www.paasadasdasdadad.pastebin.com/m922d08b |
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| 16:17.20 | DawnLight | what's the default keyboard shortcut in kde to logout? |
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| 16:18.02 | kimabrandt | abrotman: OK, now I get it. Will see what it gives me. Thanks. |
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| 16:20.31 | Pelto | !seen meins |
| 16:20.31 | dpkg | meins <n=meins@ppp-88-217-28-134.dynamic.mnet-online.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15h 3m 33s ago, saying: 'im here'. |
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| 16:25.08 | wols_ | n-iCe: what version of debian is this? |
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| 16:28.00 | mhymn | DawnLight: just wonder how this is a debian question but Alt+Ctrl+Delete |
| 16:29.19 | n-iCe | wols_: lenny but it is working thanks I downloaded jscalibrator and works |
| 16:29.20 | n-iCe | :D |
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| 16:29.38 | biopyte | Folks, the packaging of my laptop clearly states that it has bluetooth capability. however, i can not detect any bluetooth device, neither with 'lspci' nor with 'hciconfig'. also no hint for bluetooth in the BIOS menu. how can i find the local bluetooth device or maybe there isnt any?lenny here. |
| 16:29.54 | __arj__ | mhymn: isn't this the shortcut for restarting the x-server ? |
| 16:30.03 | mhymn | nope |
| 16:30.08 | __arj__ | of course it logs out to ... |
| 16:30.19 | __arj__ | oh |
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| 16:30.34 | mhymn | peehaps you mean Alt+Ctrl+Backspace ? |
| 16:30.38 | __arj__ | yeah |
| 16:30.57 | __arj__ | mixed it up |
| 16:31.13 | wols_ | blameless: check lsusb |
| 16:32.33 | xnixan | how to convert .swf to .avi or .flv, i had tried ffmeg and mencoder many times with no success, any better way or idea? |
| 16:32.49 | wols_ | biopyte: check usb |
| 16:33.03 | avu | xnixan, .swf is not a video format |
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| 16:33.35 | xnixan | avu, is that a short answer for no conversion? |
| 16:33.56 | wols_ | avu: in a way it is. it's a container format just like .avi |
| 16:33.57 | biopyte | wols_: thanks, but could you be a little bit more explicit? :-) |
| 16:34.08 | wols_ | biopyte: lsusb |
| 16:34.15 | avu | xnixan, actually, it's the long answer, the short would have been "you don't" :) |
| 16:34.29 | xnixan | avu, :) |
| 16:34.38 | xnixan | will wols_ any idea? |
| 16:34.50 | avu | wols_, avi doesn't usually contain code for a VM to execute though |
| 16:35.04 | wols_ | xnixan: try mencoder/ffmpeg from dmm |
| 16:35.05 | wols_ | !dmm |
| 16:35.05 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 16:35.30 | wols_ | avu: it's still a container for a movie |
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| 16:35.45 | xnixan | wols_, thanks! |
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| 16:36.38 | avu | wols_, if by 'movie' you mean 'any kind of assets, including pictures, sound and XML and code for the flash VM to execute', then yes. |
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| 16:39.00 | biopyte | wols_: ok. actually i dont have the box right here and have to check that later. anyway, there are two possibilities: lsusb displays bluetooth device, but then howto activate it? or, lsusb displays *no* bluetooth device, what then? i appreciate your comment. |
| 16:39.28 | wols_ | not all BT devices are supported. e.g. broadcome wlan/bt devices aren't |
| 16:39.40 | wols_ | if you see the device it's google time to see what driver it uses |
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| 16:40.01 | up365 | biopyte, there's a lot of info here so be sure to scroll around, I got BT working on etch to send & receive from phone and pc http://debaira.blogspot.com/search/label/Bluetooth%20on%20Debian |
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| 16:41.15 | pmurias | hi |
| 16:41.53 | pmurias | did anyone succed with installing iwl3495 on lenny? |
| 16:42.05 | biopyte | wols_,up365: i see. actually its a thinkpad t61 with intel 4965agn. wifi works fine. then bluetooth should also work or is this a misconception? |
| 16:42.06 | abrotman | !iwlwifi |
| 16:42.06 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 16:42.24 | Crypticfortune | allright. tried resizing my LVM partition. going to reboot and see what happens. if i'm not back in 5 minute, you'll know there's one sad debian camper out there =P |
| 16:42.25 | wols_ | biopyte: it's a misconception |
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| 16:43.16 | biopyte | ok |
| 16:43.19 | pmurias | abrotman: i followed the wikii but the gnome network manager threw an error at me |
| 16:43.23 | pmurias | * wiki |
| 16:43.23 | eldereko | does anyone have experience with vtun that could help me?? |
| 16:43.25 | up365 | biopyte, first you want to run through some of the recognition commands from the debaira website |
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| 16:43.50 | abrotman | pmurias: that might be better to show us |
| 16:44.12 | biopyte | up365: alright. wow, everything runs so smoothly, i'm surprised that bluetooth could be a bigger issue. |
| 16:44.30 | pmurias | abrotman: i'll switch to gnome and paste that error |
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| 16:45.36 | up365 | biopyte, yeah it's easy once you're assured you have the proper software and devices are recognized. |
| 16:46.27 | biopyte | abrotman: wifi is fine, only bluetooth not working (device not even detected). |
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| 16:46.44 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 16:47.22 | up365 | biopyte, go to the debaira website and try some of the terminal commands or/and install the proper software. |
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| 16:47.34 | biopyte | abrotman: i'm refering to your "!iwlwifi" |
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| 16:47.49 | Crypticfortune | yay LVM resizing success! |
| 16:47.56 | biopyte | up365: ok. i will do that. thank you a lot. |
| 16:48.10 | abrotman | biopyte: wasn't for you |
| 16:48.17 | pmurias | abrotman: reproducing the error, had to swith from xmonad to gnome |
| 16:48.24 | biopyte | i see. coincidence. |
| 16:48.40 | up365 | biopyte, the info is there just scroll around the menu for bluetooth/debian. |
| 16:49.17 | pmurias | abrotman: should roaming mode work> |
| 16:49.18 | pmurias | ? |
| 16:49.25 | abrotman | nfc |
| 16:49.37 | biopyte | alright. the box is at home. but i definitly will give it a try later. |
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| 16:50.17 | pmurias | nfc=? |
| 16:50.26 | up365 | biopyte, ok it's really easy and instructions are well laid out step by step. |
| 16:50.41 | abrotman | pmurias: no idea |
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| 16:51.03 | pmurias | i get a SIOCGIFFLAGS error: No such device |
| 16:51.52 | abrotman | use dmesg .. do you see the device being talked about ? |
| 16:51.52 | biopyte | up365: just to make sure, do you mean 'debaira.blogspot.com'? |
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| 16:52.38 | up365 | biopyte, yes here to start http://debaira.blogspot.com/search/label/Bluetooth%20on%20Debian |
| 16:52.39 | pmurias | iwl3945: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG/BG Network Connection driver for Linux, 1.1.17ks |
| 16:52.43 | pmurias | iwl3945: Copyright(c) 2003-2007 Intel Corporation |
| 16:52.51 | biopyte | up365: sorry, you said this already before. |
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| 16:52.56 | hellues | !paste |
| 16:52.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 16:53.12 | biopyte | up365: cool, thanks. |
| 16:53.14 | up365 | biopyte, np |
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| 16:53.22 | pmurias | should i paste the remaining 2 (i forgot to grep first time) |
| 16:53.27 | pmurias | iwl3945: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 16:53.28 | pmurias | iwl3945: Tunable channels: 13 802.11bg, 23 802.11a channels |
| 16:53.28 | pmurias | phy0: Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-3945-rs' |
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| 16:54.13 | greeg | i started gparted. it's been scanning devices for over 10 minits now. |
| 16:54.16 | greeg | whats the hold up. |
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| 16:55.12 | pmurias | i'll switch to 2.6.25 from 2.6.24, maybe it'll help |
| 16:56.32 | pmurias | abrotman: you have it running on your box? |
| 16:56.47 | abrotman | no |
| 16:56.56 | abrotman | seems like it's working ? |
| 16:57.10 | cahoot | pmurias: ifconfig -a ? |
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| 16:59.19 | pmurias | http://rafb.net/p/Tk9Lcp98.html |
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| 17:00.16 | pmurias | i don't have a working wifi network at home, just going to a conference (YAPC::EU) and want to be able to configure it there |
| 17:00.17 | cahoot | pmurias: the problem was network-manager? |
| 17:00.56 | pmurias | cahoot: so you think it will work if i use command line tools? |
| 17:01.22 | cahoot | pmurias: you're aware that all entries but 'lo' should be commented out in interfaces for n-m to work? |
| 17:01.39 | pmurias | no... |
| 17:02.02 | cahoot | might check that |
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| 17:02.47 | pmurias | i'm horribly inexperienced with debian and gnome |
| 17:03.29 | cahoot | pmurias: open /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:11.32 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone suggest me the easier way to use a .NET wsdl service from debian? |
| 17:11.39 | Knight_Lord | Which language/library should i use? |
| 17:11.45 | wols_ | Mono? |
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| 17:12.45 | Knight_Lord | wsdl is suppose to be a SOAP web service so any language should work in principle |
| 17:12.51 | Knight_Lord | is mono already useful for work? |
| 17:13.51 | wols_ | let's just say I wouldn't use the version in etch for anything |
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| 17:17.39 | abrotman | !info libapache2-mod-mono etch |
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| 17:18.02 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-mono: (Run ASP.NET Pages on UNIX with Apache 2 and Mono), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
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| 17:21.57 | pmurias | i think it was a NetworkMangager problem it now prints out that error for my wired eth1, but it works nonetheless |
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| 17:22.42 | LAZLO | is a cunt |
| 17:22.44 | cahoot | pmurias: didn't comment out eth1? |
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| 17:32.01 | acu | I download daily d-i lenny (from yesterday) - one was i386 I try to install on an AMD Athlon (Not 64) and It installed seemingly OK - however when I boot first time it does not go beyond GRUB - is blocked on a black screen and give me a message about bood |
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| 17:32.50 | acu | booting the kernle loading please wait |
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| 17:34.58 | pmurias | cahoot: commented eth1 out |
| 17:35.14 | pmurias | and configure it with NetworkManager |
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| 17:35.37 | pmurias | can i use NetworkManager from the command line? |
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| 17:37.19 | flower | how do I check if my swap is working ok? |
| 17:37.32 | wols_ | flower: freespace |
| 17:37.36 | wols_ | erm, "free" |
| 17:38.09 | tview | freespace, what a great game in its day |
| 17:38.22 | pmurias | should i turn off unused swap? |
| 17:39.25 | wols_ | pmurias: no |
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| 17:42.30 | eljefe | space, what a great game in its day |
| 17:42.32 | eljefe | [12:38] <pmurias> should i turn off unused swap? |
| 17:42.33 | eljefe | [12:39] <wols_> pmurias: no |
| 17:42.35 | eljefe | [12:42] *** debhelper sets t |
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| 17:44.08 | Appiah | I'm having problems with php5-cgi, it just segfaults, does not provide me with any error. Running etch |
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| 17:44.48 | zhapp | hmm, I've trying to upgrade from etch to lenny but apt-get dist-upgrade gives me lots of "rm: cannot remove `vttuner-': Read-only file system" after a "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/" (using a custom 2.6.26 kernel) |
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| 17:45.57 | wols_ | zhapp: find out why the fs went ro |
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| 17:46.32 | Nyle | good morning |
| 17:46.37 | zhapp | wols_: why would /dev get ro? :) |
| 17:47.01 | zhapp | udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 17:47.32 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:47.50 | zhapp | in /dev: drwx------ 3 root root 60 2008-08-10 17:38 .static |
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| 17:48.05 | wols_ | that doesn't tell where it is on disk |
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| 17:48.29 | zhapp | how do I know where it is? |
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| 17:51.22 | Nyle | hey I have a question and I'm a bit confused I can't make sense of this. I have desktop and laptop. I have passwordless ssh setup on both machines, so ssh laptop == no pass, and ssh desktop from laptop == no pass. lately I changed the username on my desktop from stoned to ajavid, and now ssh desktop still works, but ssh laptop gives @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ Host key verification failed. Before I fuck everything up, |
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| 17:51.37 | Nyle | I can't figure it out and I don't want to risk fucking it up, I'm such a noob! please advise. |
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| 17:52.17 | Nyle | do I need to regenerate the keys on desktop and then copy? or ... |
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| 17:53.09 | zhapp | passwordless = auth via certificate or simply no password? |
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| 17:59.54 | acu | why partitioner is frozen at 52 % when I try to install lenny in an AMD64 ? |
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| 18:01.23 | n-iCe | hi |
| 18:01.35 | Crypticfortune | debian doesn't really care if i set the partition id for its partitions to "empty" or anything else right? |
| 18:03.54 | n-iCe | how can I Install my joystick |
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| 18:04.00 | n-iCe | [ 1266.192335] input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [Microsoft SideWinder Joystick] on usb-0000:00:1d.0-1 |
| 18:04.08 | n-iCe | [ 1266.163440] input: Microsoft SideWinder Joystick as /class/input/input12 |
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| 18:04.43 | Crypticfortune | is going to give it a shot anyway |
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| 18:17.57 | scintilla | va , ciao a tutti a domani |
| 18:18.04 | Eulex | !it |
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| 18:18.14 | Eulex | dpkg: test |
| 18:18.14 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:18.19 | Eulex | dpkg: it |
| 18:18.19 | dpkg | Eulex: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 18:18.24 | Eulex | ... |
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| 18:18.47 | abrotman | uh |
| 18:18.47 | Eulex | scintilla, #debian-it |
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| 18:19.03 | Eulex | something happened to dpkg btw? |
| 18:19.15 | scintilla | eulex ok |
| 18:19.24 | abrotman | no .. appears someone erased it |
| 18:19.39 | Vinconzo | i cant find any iso for m68k. could anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 18:20.20 | abrotman | dpkg: it is <reply> Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:20.20 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 18:23.05 | |inuxmath | how do i allow a usual user mount devices with kde aumount? Whenever I try to do that I get a message which says the hal policies prevent 'sending this message from this sender'? |
| 18:23.23 | Supavisah | Does debian 3.1 minimal have wget? xD |
| 18:23.34 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 18:23.40 | abrotman | you can install it though |
| 18:23.45 | Supavisah | I know.. but cbf :P |
| 18:23.57 | Supavisah | It's on a VPS =\ |
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| 18:23.59 | Eulex | |inuxmath, are you in the plugdev group? also, please don't begin your nick with a |, it's a pain in the ass... |
| 18:24.17 | abrotman | eww .. a nick with | |
| 18:24.23 | |inuxmath | Eulex, it's \ + shift .... |
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| 18:25.09 | Eulex | not here, but I do know how to type | on this keyboard |
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| 18:26.05 | abrotman | there's no pipe in linux!! :) |
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| 18:27.57 | linuxmath | Eulex, which command shows the list of groups I belong to? |
| 18:28.10 | Eulex | linuxmath, groups |
| 18:29.25 | linuxmath | it says i'm in 'kodess' and 'audio', where kodess is my user name |
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| 18:29.41 | Eulex | so you're not in the plugdev group |
| 18:29.47 | Eulex | adduser kodess plugdev |
| 18:29.57 | _Progress_ | hi all, is there a -dev package of samba |
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| 18:31.34 | linuxmath | Eulex, Is that all I should do? |
| 18:31.46 | xushi|afk | guys i need help... i'm trying to remove a disk from my raid1 array /dev/md0 to raid1 array /dev/md9. I can't figure out how to do it. |
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| 18:31.58 | Eulex | linuxmath, yes, and relogin. |
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| 18:32.09 | Vinconzo | is it possible to use apt to upgrade from 2.2 "potato" to 4.0 "etch"? |
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| 18:32.40 | Eulex | Vinconzo, yes, but upgrade one release at a time, and read the release notes on upgrading to every new release. |
| 18:33.41 | Vinconzo | Eulex: ok thx. i needed to know that, as im downloading an old iso right now |
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| 18:33.58 | Vinconzo | Eulex: i couldn't find any current iso for m68k |
| 18:33.58 | Eulex | Vinconzo, uh, downloading an old iso? |
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| 18:34.34 | Vinconzo | Eulex: yes i couldnt find the current iso for m68k |
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| 18:35.12 | peppe | Vinconzo: etch dropped support for m68k |
| 18:35.26 | Eulex | Vinconzo, upgrading from 2.2 to 4.0 will be painful |
| 18:35.46 | abrotman | Vinconzo: not in one shot |
| 18:35.53 | Vinconzo | peppe: i read that m68k just wasn't released for m68k, becouse they were late |
| 18:35.57 | abrotman | Vinconzo: and there is a sarge m68k |
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| 18:36.14 | Vinconzo | abrotman: does it have the emile bootloader? |
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| 18:36.37 | abrotman | no idea .. ask #debian-68k on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:36.39 | xushi|afk | if i try to remove /dev/sdb1 from /dev/md0 it can't because device or resource busy. If i stop md0 then try again, it cannot find the device.. i'm stuck in a loop |
| 18:36.43 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.46 | Vinconzo | ok |
| 18:36.49 | abrotman | Vinconzo: they probably even have unofficial etchinstallations stuffs |
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| 18:37.09 | abrotman | Eulex: 2.2 to 4.0 would fail in spectactular fashion |
| 18:37.18 | |inuxmath | Eulex, thanks for your answers. Now how do I make a device to be mounted to the same mount point every time it gets mounted with kde automount? |
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| 18:37.57 | peppe | Vinconzo: afaik m68k "official" support was completely dropped, but maybe there are non official builds and installers around |
| 18:38.17 | Eulex | abrotman, which is why I told him to upgrade one release at a time |
| 18:38.39 | DawnLight | what is m68k? |
| 18:39.05 | peppe | DawnLight: motorola 68xxx architecture |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | DawnLight: /msg dpkg m68k |
| 18:39.09 | Eulex | |inuxmath, I guess putting it into fstab should do it |
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| 18:40.09 | DawnLight | sounds boring |
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| 18:40.23 | php6th | how to add more fonts? |
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| 18:40.39 | DawnLight | php6th: install the ttf-* packages |
| 18:40.40 | abrotman | DawnLight: some people find running everything on x86 boring |
| 18:40.53 | DawnLight | running is boring |
| 18:41.02 | maligor | x86 is boring |
| 18:41.10 | Eulex | you're boring |
| 18:41.20 | DawnLight | i want a freerunner neo |
| 18:41.33 | DawnLight | what arch is that? |
| 18:41.34 | maligor | m68k is the famous amiga processor |
| 18:41.48 | |inuxmath | Eulex, hm...it does work when i do it manually from the command line but with kde automount it says 'can't enter <mountpoint> directory' |
| 18:41.56 | jescis | y'all know what's funny... I booted from the cd then debians installer says it couldn't be mounted :D |
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| 18:42.53 | wols_ | no funny. incompatible contrller |
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| 18:43.58 | jescis | wols_, but now it works after trying again :p |
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| 18:45.02 | morbyte1 | hi. do i really need autofs to enable gnome to mount usb-harddrives ? |
| 18:45.13 | abrotman | gnome-volume-manager |
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| 18:46.38 | morbyte1 | ok. |
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| 18:51.33 | morbyte1 | abrotman: installed it. looks good (icon in nautilus) except i "dont have the permission to mount xyz" although i'm member of the plugdev group. |
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| 18:51.54 | abrotman | mount point perms ? |
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| 18:52.26 | morbyte1 | dunno. how to check? |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | ls -l ? |
| 18:52.54 | php6th | how to access my Pocket PC? |
| 18:52.55 | tecky | ls -la might be better for that |
| 18:53.36 | morbyte1 | ehh. do i have to add it to fstab? is there no automatic way? |
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| 18:55.07 | abrotman | tecky: you think it's hidden ? |
| 18:55.16 | morbyte1 | atm. the disk is not mounted, the icon in nautilus looks different than the mounted disks. so where do i have to do ls -la |
| 18:55.31 | php6th | how to access my Pocket PC from gnome? |
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| 18:56.17 | abrotman | morbyte1: is it a usb drive? |
| 18:57.04 | morbyte1 | abrotman: firewire |
| 18:57.14 | morbyte1 | but when taking the usb cable its the same |
| 18:57.25 | abrotman | i had setup /dev/sda1 in fstab |
| 18:57.32 | morbyte1 | ~ error, i mean. |
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| 18:58.17 | soulchild | what happend to the graphical xmms player ? xmm2 just runs in console !? |
| 18:58.50 | maligor | xmms2 is client/server |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | audacious will look familiar |
| 18:59.21 | ratkymarcell | Hey, guys! I'm using Etch, but I need some packages from Lenny. I've read articles about mixed systems, but something's not clear for me. Let's suppose, I've installed something (eg. a lib) as a dependency of Lenny's package, but something in Etch needs an _older_ version of that. So, could this (or anything else, I've missed) break my system? Or maybe it's automatically fixed by apt? |
| 18:59.21 | maligor | there are several graphical clients for xmms2 |
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| 19:04.48 | morbyte1 | oops. gnome-volume-manager works with my usb-stick (fat32) but not with my usb-drive (ntfs). which permissions to set to make that possible? (and NO, changing external to ext3 is not acceptable) |
| 19:05.34 | zythmer | ratkymarcell: If the dependencies cannot be installed concurrently, then aptitude will tell you there's a problem and make you resolve it: remove the affected etch/lenny packages or cancel the installation/upgrade. It shouldn't break your system, but it can force you to manually figure out what to do. |
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| 19:07.27 | jescis | would a netinst be better to use for installing debian on a machine I want to be a server? |
| 19:07.29 | ratkymarcell | zythmer, thanks for the answer, I'll try to do it :-) |
| 19:07.42 | abrotman | jescis: perhaps |
| 19:08.06 | petemc | war9407: hi |
| 19:08.23 | jescis | abrotman, the specs is a PII with a 120GB HDD |
| 19:08.31 | abrotman | so? |
| 19:08.34 | abrotman | installer is still the same |
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| 19:09.08 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 19:09.14 | jescis | ok |
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| 19:09.55 | DawnLight | nice hdd for that |
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| 19:12.26 | jescis | DawnLight, I took it out of my selfbuilt Athlon XP 2000+ computer. Because the one the PII had was only a 1.2GB drive :o |
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| 19:13.33 | cr3rzemjest | how to type in bash two backslashes "\" without spaces? \\ gives '\' ... and '\\\\' gives and 1 backslash |
| 19:13.42 | cr3rzemjest | like in PS1="`(date +%H:%M\ \>\>\ %A\ \>\>\ %e.%m.%Y)` \\\\ \u@\h//" |
| 19:14.24 | Eulex | "\\\\" |
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| 19:17.24 | morbyte1 | in order to allow gnome-volume-manager to mount ntfs-partitions, do i have to set the setuid-root flag onto the ntfs-3g executable? |
| 19:18.00 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 19:18.00 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 19:18.16 | morbyte1 | abrotman: thanks alot |
| 19:18.17 | jescis | AAAHH!! I can't See!! |
| 19:18.51 | xomhau | !ntfs-3g |
| 19:18.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 19:20.26 | wrench___ | hey all. new to debian but not linux...is aptitude the equivalent of yum? should i use aptitiude over apt-get? |
| 19:21.39 | pumpkin0 | !tell wrench___ about why aptitude |
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| 19:24.21 | wrench___ | pumpkin0: thanks! |
| 19:24.41 | xand | why might grub sometimes hang at boot with "GRUB is loading..." and never get any further? :| |
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| 19:24.59 | xand | it's since I connected the boot drive to another machine and then put it back |
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| 19:26.40 | newsense | anyone feel like troubleshooting an install problem ? |
| 19:27.13 | BarnacleBob | so when just upgrading packages within a distribution is it preferable to do an apt-get upgrade or an apt-get dist-upgrade. what is the difference between these 2? |
| 19:27.33 | abrotman | man aptitude or man apt-get |
| 19:27.50 | BarnacleBob | man apt-get doesn't even list dist-upgrade as an option |
| 19:27.53 | newsense | good youre here |
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| 19:28.21 | xand | BarnacleBob: er, yes it does |
| 19:28.31 | newsense | abrotman: wanna check out the end of my syslog file real quick , having an installation issue |
| 19:28.35 | newsense | URL: http://rafb.net/p/SRkSpV66.html |
| 19:28.53 | BarnacleBob | xand ah man aptitude does |
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| 19:28.55 | xand | BarnacleBob: so does man apt-get |
| 19:29.00 | roidelapluie | hi |
| 19:29.15 | roidelapluie | what's the difference between humbled and humiliated in english??? |
| 19:29.15 | BarnacleBob | wtf find in man didn't find it |
| 19:29.16 | BarnacleBob | it does |
| 19:29.17 | BarnacleBob | :( |
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| 19:31.24 | abrotman | newsense: not seen that |
| 19:31.41 | Zambezi | Anyone experience problems with LUKS lately? I think I just got a not so good errormessages. Seems like the header said goodnight. |
| 19:31.42 | newsense | happens with netinst and etchnhalf |
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| 19:31.58 | pumpkin0 | BarnacleBob: above install and below dselect-upgrade |
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| 19:32.06 | Zambezi | newsense: Lenny |
| 19:32.21 | newsense | guess ill have to use my last cd |
| 19:32.26 | xand | roidelapluie: www.wiktionary.org :P |
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| 19:32.34 | screamingbytes | anyone know how to convert vesa video modes to the ones used in linux. I undedstand its supposed to be adding 512, but that does not seem to be working |
| 19:33.08 | screamingbytes | im trying to convert 346 (1600x1200) and place it on the kernel line, vga=346 doesn't work |
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| 19:33.34 | cr3rzemjest | so, the final command is, haha: |
| 19:33.35 | sladi | screamingbytes: 0x34a |
| 19:33.36 | cr3rzemjest | PS1="\[\033[0;31m\]`(date +%H:%M\ '\[\033[0m\]'\>\>\ '\[\033[0;31m\]'%A\ '\[\033[0m\]'\>\>\ '\[\033[0;31m\]'%e.%m.%Y)` \[\033[0m\]||\[\033[0;31m\] \u@\h\[\033[0m\] ||\[\033[0;31m\] dir: \w\[\033[0;31m\] \[\033[0m\]>>\[\033[0m\]\n" |
| 19:33.39 | newsense | Zambezi: any netinst iso's for lenny ? |
| 19:33.44 | cr3rzemjest | longest command EVER |
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| 19:34.15 | Zambezi | newsense: Sorry. I misunderstood. No, there's no netinst for Lenny. You have to upgrade after install. |
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| 19:34.38 | screamingbytes | sladi: how is that converted? |
| 19:35.04 | PinkFreud | folks, do the xen domU kernels 2.6.25-2-xen-686 and 2.6.26-1-xen-686 actually work? |
| 19:35.05 | Zambezi | newsense: If you're going to install Lenny directly after installation, then skip Desktop enviroment. That will make it a little easier. |
| 19:35.11 | sladi | screamingbytes: I don't know. I got it from some google search and use it to get 1600x1200 |
| 19:35.25 | PinkFreud | so far, I'm not seeing any evidence that this is the case :) |
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| 19:35.42 | screamingbytes | ahh, ive been googling my but off, ive probably tried it, but ill give it a go |
| 19:35.43 | newsense | Zambezi: gotta get past base install first before i get to package selection though |
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| 19:36.03 | PinkFreud | I've managed to convince .25 to cause the dom0 to throw a BUG, followed by it becoming completely unresponsive |
| 19:36.17 | PinkFreud | .26, no such luck. dom0 croaks immediately. |
| 19:36.56 | Cholito | I installed a wifi usb using ndiswrapper (It's the only known way to install it), but running iwconfig doesn't show the device, any help troubleshooting this? |
| 19:37.00 | PinkFreud | yet, if I use 2.6.18-5-xen-686 for the domU, it boots (though with hypervisor 3.2-1, dom0 throws the same BUG) |
| 19:37.39 | DawnLight | Cholito: is the ndiswrapper module loaded? |
| 19:37.59 | Cholito | DawnLight: yes |
| 19:38.20 | DawnLight | Cholito: what does ndiswrapper -l say? |
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| 19:40.30 | Cholito | DawnLight: http://pastebin.com/m27e4d613 |
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| 19:42.50 | Nyle | hey I have a question and I'm a bit confused I can't make sense of this. I have desktop and laptop. I have passwordless ssh setup on both machines, so ssh laptop == no pass, and ssh desktop from laptop == no pass. lately I changed the username on my desktop from stoned to ajavid, and now ssh desktop still works, but ssh laptop gives @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ Host key verification failed. Before I fuck everything up, |
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| 19:45.20 | Cholito | the module is loaded, the driver have been installed but I can't configure the wifi =/ |
| 19:46.07 | cr3rzemjest | does /etc/profile affect X terminals? |
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| 19:48.25 | PinkFreud | hmmm. is there anyone here who is using the 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 xen kernels successfully? |
| 19:48.34 | Cholito | as I was saying, at the moment it should be working right? |
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| 19:53.07 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: as dom0 or domU? |
| 19:54.06 | jescis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:54.43 | DawnLight | Cholito: is ifconfig -a not showing it? |
| 19:55.32 | wrench___ | hey all, I'm using aptitiude for the first time...and im using it from the command line. It wants me to install the package i need from the install cd. how can i make it fetch from internet? |
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| 19:55.54 | cahoot | !sources |
| 19:55.54 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:56.35 | Cholito | DawnLight: no =/ |
| 19:57.06 | cr3rzemjest | why does setting up the terminal by setting PS1 command work inside the terminal, but when i copy the command to .bashrc it doesn't? it says no such command... |
| 19:57.14 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: domU |
| 19:57.26 | wrench___ | thx cahoot |
| 19:57.32 | DawnLight | Cholito: did you check the ndiswrapper device database for this card? |
| 19:57.32 | PinkFreud | dom0 is running 2.6.18-6.xen-686 |
| 19:57.53 | cahoot | wrench___: add a deb line and comment out the cdrom line |
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| 19:58.15 | joko | Hey, can anyone help me with xelatex in Debian? |
| 19:58.17 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: I think there is domU-support in Debian Lenny beta now |
| 19:58.24 | wrench___ | cahoot: done. works instantly. thanks! |
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| 19:58.42 | Cholito | DawnLight: I installed on another machine using ubuntu and it worked |
| 19:58.43 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 19:59.39 | sladi | cr3rzemjest: do you use x terminals? did you start a new one after changing bashrc? |
| 20:00.35 | cr3rzemjest | sladi, yes, there's just syntax error when i copy it to .bashrc; it works to some extent |
| 20:00.50 | DawnLight | Cholito: did you try another kernel? |
| 20:00.54 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: yes, I know this. I haven't managed to convince 2.6.25-2-xen-686 from lenny or 2.6.26-1-xen-686 to do anything useful as a domU, though |
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| 20:01.15 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: in fact, I have yet to see any evidence that either of those actually work |
| 20:01.36 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: ok, seems you dont need the xen flavour - but you can use the vanilla kernel from lenny installer now a days =) |
| 20:01.56 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: ok, I dropped xen for kvm |
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| 20:02.13 | Z4ndX | Hey .. |
| 20:02.30 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: is that possible? I wasn't aware that the standard debian kernel packages had PV support enabled |
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| 20:03.06 | Z4ndX | does any know how to make the links "click-able" in irssi with the kubuntu terminal ??.. Worked fine in Ubuntu |
| 20:03.28 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: in debian lenny its apt-geti nstall |
| 20:03.34 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: for full kvm-support |
| 20:03.43 | Cholito | DawnLight: using 2.6.25-2-amd64 right now |
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| 20:03.52 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: but you need hw-virt-support in the cpu |
| 20:03.53 | PinkFreud | yes, I'm running kvm as well. |
| 20:03.55 | sladi | cr3rzemjest: I'm no expert but maby upload the output in pastebin ^^ |
| 20:04.04 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: That doesn't help me with my xen issue, though :) |
| 20:04.14 | OpenTokix | Z4ndX: this is not ubuntu |
| 20:04.28 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: I know |
| 20:04.28 | Z4ndX | No but KDE is the same .. |
| 20:04.42 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: but from what I see, xen will be completely dropped from debian. - nothing hard, but its indicies |
| 20:04.52 | DawnLight | Cholito: try a different one, perhaps |
| 20:05.02 | OpenTokix | Z4ndX: go to #kde.de then, or something |
| 20:05.09 | OpenTokix | Z4ndX: who cares about clickable links anyway |
| 20:05.10 | cr3rzemjest | sladi, hm, it seems there really was syntax error but it did work inside terminal; i've figured it out :P thx |
| 20:05.11 | Z4ndX | Okay thanks |
| 20:05.17 | Z4ndX | I do.. |
| 20:05.23 | abrotman | Z4ndX: #kubuntu ? |
| 20:05.24 | sladi | cr3rzemjest: NP :) |
| 20:05.32 | Z4ndX | abrotman: Cool thanks |
| 20:05.34 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: I don't know where you're getting that from. Xensource is putting native pv support into the kernels, which is why you see modern kernels with Xen support nowadays. |
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| 20:05.59 | PinkFreud | The only thing that remains is to update dom0 support, which for the moment is still only in 2.6.18 |
| 20:06.04 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: some of the domu-stuff are in mainline kernel, not 64bit- etc. |
| 20:06.10 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: it's ugly crud if you ask me |
| 20:06.21 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: that's because of the framework Xensource is working with now |
| 20:06.29 | PinkFreud | 64 bit support is slated for .27 |
| 20:06.36 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: yeah, ugly crud |
| 20:06.37 | Gryfelhase | Hi.I have debiuan etch. A kernel module (mdacon), is loaded at the boot-sequence that freezes the output in the console. How do I disable this module? |
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| 20:06.51 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: that's one person's interpretation of the situation :) |
| 20:07.01 | Gryfelhase | i can't emove it with modconf, cause it says, it is in use now (when into the desktop) |
| 20:07.16 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: Again, though, this fails to answer my question - do the 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 xen kernels from lenny and sid actually work? |
| 20:07.57 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: well, try it - not like its hard work to try a domU-kernel |
| 20:08.02 | PinkFreud | I'd imagine at least .25 would have been tested, though actually seeing either kernel boot is another matter |
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| 20:08.10 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: Yes, I *have* been. |
| 20:08.22 | PinkFreud | And no, I cannot convince either to work. |
| 20:08.29 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: did you try: xm create -c xm-debian.cfg install=true \ install-installer=http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ |
| 20:08.33 | OpenTokix | ? |
| 20:08.55 | PinkFreud | OpenTokix: Why would I do that? I have an already-installed domU |
| 20:09.03 | PinkFreud | in fact, this domU boots fine with 2.6.18. |
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| 20:09.20 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: oki |
| 20:10.21 | PinkFreud | the .25 and .26 kernels, though, appear to be something of a challenge :) |
| 20:10.38 | PinkFreud | hence why I'm asking if anyone has actually seen either of those xen kernels boot a domU |
| 20:10.55 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: Im planning to try, out of curiousity =) |
| 20:11.10 | OpenTokix | PinkFreud: building a debian etch dom0 in virtualbox =) |
| 20:11.13 | OpenTokix | lollers |
| 20:11.17 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 20:11.25 | OpenTokix | Only have my apple laptop now |
| 20:11.31 | PinkFreud | yes, I'm running a dom0 in KVM. |
| 20:11.56 | Cholito | rebooting |
| 20:13.12 | cr3rzemjest | it seems nano breaks too long lines? |
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| 20:14.29 | ay^ | hey guys.. if I want to start some game in fullscreen on my second monitor, how would this be done? |
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| 20:15.30 | wrench___ | I'm unable to open any programs that display in x...get error: Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 20:15.44 | wrench___ | any ideas what that means? |
| 20:15.46 | abrotman | stop running stuff as root |
| 20:16.20 | wrench___ | oh damn...crazy. thatnks abrotman! |
| 20:16.31 | OpenTokix | abrotman: ^5 |
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| 20:16.49 | sysop3 | hi |
| 20:17.42 | sysop3 | I know its a bad idea, but I really need to make a user that has root privileges, its just temporary so I can do something, please dont say use sudo |
| 20:18.02 | OpenTokix | sysop3: whats wrong with sudo? |
| 20:18.05 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: so use sudo |
| 20:18.16 | sysop3 | it wont work in this case |
| 20:18.25 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: why not? |
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| 20:18.26 | OpenTokix | sysop3: it's exactly waht sudo does? |
| 20:18.29 | OpenTokix | sysop3: sudo su - |
| 20:18.34 | OpenTokix | voila root-shell |
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| 20:18.50 | sysop3 | I need to do something that requires me to be a user but do things that need root priv |
| 20:18.53 | dondelelcaro | sudo -s,e ven |
| 20:19.02 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: uh... that's not possible |
| 20:19.03 | sysop3 | if I sudo then the command is run as root |
| 20:19.08 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:19.22 | OpenTokix | sysop3: yes, what exactly are you trying to accplish |
| 20:19.25 | sysop3 | ok I have this kernel module I am trying to comile |
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| 20:19.44 | sysop3 | and for some reason the make file uses rcs. |
| 20:20.10 | sysop3 | and when I run it as root, it says I dont have a lock on the files. |
| 20:20.17 | dondelelcaro | sounds broken, but keep going |
| 20:20.27 | sysop3 | I trieded unlocking them but seem to get into a loop |
| 20:20.52 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: first off, you don't have to be root to build stuff; you can compile it as whatever user you need. |
| 20:21.08 | sysop3 | when I su to the user the files are owned by in rcs (ksh) I am able to compile but it cant write to the directories it needs |
| 20:21.14 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: second, the kernel module shouldn't be mucking with ,rcs files during the build process. That's pretty fundamentally broken. |
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| 20:21.23 | sysop3 | I know, |
| 20:21.29 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: you do the compile as your user, and do the install as root |
| 20:21.43 | sysop3 | I have never had to install rcs to compile something. |
| 20:21.50 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: if it wants to write to system wide directories before that, there should be configuratble makefile variablses to fix it |
| 20:21.55 | dondelelcaro | sysop3: what is this, anyway? |
| 20:22.16 | sysop3 | the kernel module for the u132/u142 pcmcia to usb adapter |
| 20:22.20 | OpenTokix | sysop3: have you tried using chroot or fakeroot? |
| 20:22.28 | sysop3 | no I have not. |
| 20:22.41 | OpenTokix | Maybe a viable solution? |
| 20:22.50 | sysop3 | didnt think about that let me try thanks OpenTokix |
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| 20:23.31 | B_Raven | Getting this odd error with gnomad2 in debian stable. "http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130382 |
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| 20:23.50 | B_Raven | Damn, sorry. "NJB_Send_Track: block size too big" |
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| 20:28.21 | jescis | HELLO vassler |
| 20:28.31 | vassler | hello poo master |
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| 20:29.42 | jescis | i 'M INSTALLING DEBIAN ON MY Pii RIGHT AS WE SPEAK :O sO i HAVE NO VISUALS AT WHAT i'M TYPING HERE :d |
| 20:30.16 | PinkFreud | jescis: then I'd say stop typing here until you can see that you're using caps lock :) |
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| 20:31.34 | BW^- | hi! |
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| 20:31.42 | BW^- | i have a .ttf file containing an OpenType font. how do i install it in X? |
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| 20:34.13 | cr3rzemjest | have you ever read bash man page? it has 4k lines |
| 20:35.10 | sysop3 | well I think I am getting closer. I got rid of the error about there being no build directory |
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| 20:35.36 | debCarlos | What's etchnhalf ? |
| 20:35.53 | sysop3 | but still wont compile. I know its really a debian issue, but could someone please look at this compile error. |
| 20:36.04 | sysop3 | not really a debian issue I mean |
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| 20:38.39 | avu | !tell debCarlos about etchnhalf |
| 20:39.05 | debCarlos | Why etchnhalf netinst have 143mb and normal netinst have 162 ? |
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| 20:41.15 | jescis | M0ffe, NOW YOU WILL LOSE YOUR EYES |
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| 20:41.39 | jberg | how can i view the description of a package? |
| 20:41.59 | avu | apt-cache show package for example |
| 20:42.01 | Bertram | apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 20:42.04 | Bertram | lol |
| 20:42.58 | jberg | thanks |
| 20:43.11 | debCarlos | How can i check my lag in kvirc |
| 20:43.14 | debCarlos | ? |
| 20:43.29 | jberg | what do i need to install to get man pages for gcc and stuff? |
| 20:43.55 | abrotman | non-free IIRC |
| 20:45.16 | avu | yeah, gcc-x.y-doc is in non-free |
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| 20:45.35 | avu | (and gcc-doc in contrib) |
| 20:45.44 | jberg | okay. its strange though, i've never needed to install that seperatly before |
| 20:45.51 | abrotman | new for etch |
| 20:46.00 | jberg | okay, this is lenny though |
| 20:46.10 | jberg | does it include doc for everything in binutils? |
| 20:47.28 | abrotman | nope |
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| 20:48.42 | jberg | ok |
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| 20:53.15 | damiaan | what is the standard package used to connect to an office VPN over PPTP? most information i find is rather old. |
| 20:53.19 | enouf | jescis: after the help you've been given here, you decide to act like an asshole? |
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| 20:55.18 | Nyle | uhm? |
| 20:55.26 | debCarlos | dpkg uses Windows :S |
| 20:55.26 | dpkg | wish i knew, debCarlos |
| 20:55.35 | BW^- | anyone familiar with pango and truetype fonts? |
| 20:55.43 | debCarlos | See it |
| 20:55.46 | debCarlos | !ls |
| 20:55.46 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 20:55.50 | Nyle | ffs. |
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| 20:56.01 | Nyle | !tell debCarlos -about selftell |
| 20:56.51 | jescispiiserver | I'm on and able to see now ;) |
| 20:57.27 | enouf | Nyle: fix you ssh issues? |
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| 20:57.45 | Nyle | nope |
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| 20:58.00 | Nyle | enouf, I have half a mind to just wipe desktop/laptop keys and regenerate, and recopy |
| 20:58.04 | Nyle | but I don't want to |
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| 20:58.27 | enouf | crap |
| 20:58.37 | thing1 | i have two nics, on on 10.4.30.x and one on 10.11.30.x i would like each nic to use it's respective gateway, 10.4.30.1 and 10.11.30.1 how could i accomplish this? |
| 20:59.16 | Nyle | enouf, look in ##linux |
| 20:59.53 | thing1 | or isn't it possible |
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| 21:01.31 | jescispiiserver | port 22 of my Athlon computer is refusiung my connecting to it :( |
| 21:01.57 | jescispiiserver | is it because of my gateways settings? |
| 21:02.21 | Nyle | enouf, bingo |
| 21:02.33 | Nyle | enouf, wiped the known_hosts file and voila, no more error |
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| 21:03.02 | enouf | i was going to tell you to do that - but with much reservation |
| 21:03.06 | enouf | Nyle: i saw .. but, iinm, i think either the rsa or dsa keys (or both) use your your shadow as a hash? (when generating from ssh-keygen) or something. Have you reviewed the docs? like that |
| 21:03.28 | Nyle | review docs? |
| 21:03.35 | Nyle | what are you smoking? |
| 21:03.49 | enouf | how the keys are generated |
| 21:03.54 | Nyle | ah |
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| 21:04.04 | enouf | see /topic ;-) |
| 21:04.13 | Nyle | what is a /topic |
| 21:04.13 | enouf | hides |
| 21:04.20 | Nyle | I have no idea, speak englihs. |
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| 21:04.46 | eptalon | Is nfs 4 compatible with nfs3? |
| 21:04.47 | screamingbytes | bah, im losing horribly |
| 21:04.52 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:04.59 | Nyle | !nfs4 |
| 21:04.59 | dpkg | i heard nfs4 is http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
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| 21:05.12 | screamingbytes | I can not figure out the proper vga line for 1920x1200 for my console mode |
| 21:05.22 | hydroponic | Why is python2.5 set as unsupported on Debian? |
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| 21:06.09 | grul | !lvm |
| 21:06.09 | dpkg | from memory, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:06.45 | Nyle | eptalon, The goal is that NFSv4 will coexist with versions 2 and 3 in much the same way as NFSv3 coexists with NFSv2 today. Upgrading should be nearly transparent. |
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| 21:06.54 | screamingbytes | anyone have a monitor/vid card and running in console mode that has been able to get their console resolution up to 1920x1200? |
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| 21:07.34 | Nyle | eptalon, There are some minor interoperability issues when applications running on clients make use of some of the new features of NFSv4 such as mandatory locking, share reservations, and delegations. |
| 21:07.42 | helo_ | when i try to modprobe nvidia after 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel', i get an error saying "No such device" |
| 21:07.51 | Nyle | helo_, nvidia-glx? |
| 21:07.54 | eptalon | Nyle: I currently run a setup with nfs4 (on the client, but have not set up kerberos yet), so auth by sys method; problem is there is a windows client, and I don't really want to install samba |
| 21:07.58 | helo_ | ? |
| 21:08.03 | Nyle | helo_, is it installed? |
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| 21:08.23 | Nyle | afaik, you shouldn't need to modprobe it, post inst takes care of it |
| 21:08.48 | helo_ | yes, it is installed |
| 21:09.01 | helo_ | well, post-inst's modprobe sais the same error |
| 21:09.06 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 21:09.08 | helo_ | says too |
| 21:09.11 | Nyle | how did you build it? |
| 21:09.22 | helo_ | m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
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| 21:09.32 | helo_ | then i got a new kernel, and did the same |
| 21:09.35 | Nyle | aha |
| 21:09.41 | Nyle | rebuild the module for the new kernel |
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| 21:09.45 | Nyle | and you'll be ok |
| 21:10.03 | helo_ | i rebuild it for the new kernel by running 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel' again? |
| 21:10.09 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:10.14 | helo_ | that's what i did :) |
| 21:10.15 | tview | Nyle: m-a does rebuild it |
| 21:10.17 | hydroponic | Could I safely make python2.5 the default? It's currently unsupported in debian_defaults |
| 21:10.24 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 21:10.26 | Nyle | he already did that |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | hydroponic: not a good plan |
| 21:10.40 | Nyle | helo_, etch or lenny or sid? |
| 21:10.57 | hydroponic | abrotman: OK, I won't. But can you tell me why? |
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| 21:11.27 | abrotman | because it's a different version of the scripting language .. and those apps expect 2.4 |
| 21:11.33 | tview | hydroponic: python is used in a lot of places in the system. You screw it up and your system will be hosed. |
| 21:11.36 | mimcpher | Is there an easy way to rename a file from /etc/rc*.d/SNNname -> KNNname (ie, disable a service) without doing it "by hand"? |
| 21:11.57 | helo_ | lenny |
| 21:12.14 | hydroponic | ok |
| 21:12.38 | tview | mimcpher: did you try update-rc.d ? |
| 21:12.53 | Throat | what's the recommended way to patch one of the existing/normal kernel modules - one that is distributed with the normal kernel (and that I think m-a wouldn't find a separate package for) |
| 21:13.16 | screamingbytes | is anyone here using console only mode? |
| 21:13.17 | tview | hydroponic: possibly I am being a little pessimistic but I played with it on Lenny earlier this year and it took ages to stabilise the system again. No idea what exactly caused it. |
| 21:13.23 | screamingbytes | i.e. no X windows |
| 21:13.26 | Nyle | helo_, are you sure nvidia-glx installed? |
| 21:13.47 | Nyle | !+info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 21:13.48 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:14.16 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia-glx' does not exist. |
| 21:14.19 | Nyle | fine. |
| 21:14.24 | Nyle | sit there and bullshit me. I'm done helping youy. |
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| 21:14.28 | hydroponic | tview: It's fine, I have no problems using 2.4. It works perfectly, but the Trac setup recommends 2.5. I was just wondering why it was (still) unsupported |
| 21:14.28 | hydroponic | thanks |
| 21:14.50 | abrotman | hydroponic: FWIW .. lenny will be 2.5 |
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| 21:15.15 | Nyle | because afa my nvidia knowledge goes, you can't even load the module if you don't some 'tls links' generated through nvidia-glx |
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| 21:15.23 | Throat | screamingbytes, just ask what you want to know - only way to find out if someone has an answer.... don't ask for preliminary conditions to match :) |
| 21:15.25 | Nyle | but I could be wrong. |
| 21:15.32 | hydroponic | Cool. This is a server though, I'll probably just set it and forget it for awhile, except for security updates |
| 21:15.34 | screamingbytes | Throat: I have |
| 21:15.52 | tview | Nyle: what are tls links? |
| 21:15.56 | screamingbytes | Throat: I can't get my console resolution to 1920x1200-32 |
| 21:15.57 | jberg | does anyone know what package i need to get manpages for malloc and stuff? |
| 21:16.29 | Nyle | tview, dunno |
| 21:16.31 | screamingbytes | Throat: That or 1600x1200-32, the issue is the Linux number in grub after vga= |
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| 21:16.42 | Nyle | just remember reading that on the output for when you install nvidia-glx |
| 21:16.48 | Nyle | thats the message it used to give |
| 21:17.01 | Nyle | setting up some TLS links or some sucyh |
| 21:17.06 | tview | jberg: manpages-dev I think |
| 21:17.13 | Throat | screamingbytes, and using SVGATextMode? |
| 21:17.34 | screamingbytes | Throat: using framebuffer vesafb |
| 21:17.41 | Throat | screamingbytes, I mean the program |
| 21:17.49 | tview | Nyle: didn't think so. To get nvidia-glx working with Lenny yo have pin in the unstable X server and nvidia-glx afaik |
| 21:18.00 | Nyle | tview, Thread Local Storage (TLS) from nVidia libraries |
| 21:18.29 | Throat | screamingbytes, apt-cache show svgatextmode ... if your problem is with grub, you might still be able to switch when the system is up... |
| 21:18.30 | jberg | tview: thanks |
| 21:18.30 | screamingbytes | Throat: I can use vga=ask, and get to 1600x1200-32, using 346 Vesa mode, but that will not work in menu.lst |
| 21:18.33 | ttick | Can anyone recommend a works-out-of-the-box wifi card for the standard 2.6.2* kernel? |
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| 21:18.35 | Nyle | tview, which is what the first thing I asked him, does he have nvidia-glx he said, yes, and lenny doesn't have it. Maybe I should have asked if he used from sid |
| 21:18.37 | tview | or I should say I had to following other advice in here. Took ages. But my system had been "soiled" by the nvidia package from their site. |
| 21:18.50 | screamingbytes | Throat: kk, 1 sec |
| 21:18.50 | Nyle | tview, oh yeah, horrible those packages |
| 21:18.52 | Nyle | ew. |
| 21:19.34 | Nyle | but yes, thats what tls link generation is |
| 21:19.46 | tview | Nyle: actually they work very well. It was the debian way which was more fussy and had appeared to be made not to work on purpose if the nvidia installer had been used. Well, lets say they went to no effort to make it work if the nvidia installer had been used. |
| 21:19.49 | Nyle | I'm not sure if that had to be done due to me owning nvidia in the 2.4 kernel series |
| 21:19.57 | Throat | what's the recommended way to patch one of the existing/normal kernel modules - one that is distributed with the normal kernel ... install kernel-source, patch & install? or is there something that needs less downloading//compiling |
| 21:19.57 | screamingbytes | Throat: no it was not installed, console-tools was |
| 21:20.08 | Nyle | tview, heh |
| 21:20.53 | tview | The last kernel mess really annoyed me. They included Xen stuff which meant the nvidia driver could not compiler anymore. There was uproar. One maintainer had taken it on himself to scupper the "nvidia way". |
| 21:21.04 | tview | not nice IMO. |
| 21:21.10 | Nyle | indeed |
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| 21:21.34 | Throat | screamingbytes, I mean that doesn't help you to change it during boot-up, but if you want to use console instead of X on the running system, switching when it's up would probably suffice ... |
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| 21:24.10 | Throat | hm, dpkg doesn't seem to have anything useful either :( |
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| 21:24.42 | helo_ | there is no nvidia-glx package in lenny, it would seem |
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| 21:25.05 | Usiu | Hi |
| 21:25.07 | Usiu | how to setup no ppp password ? |
| 21:25.59 | Throat | dpkg, which module for me? |
| 21:25.59 | dpkg | to find which modules supports throat, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/throat/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 21:26.23 | screamingbytes | Throat: I set the res in boot, and it sticks, but i have to manually do it |
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| 21:26.40 | screamingbytes | Throat: I want to put the proper info into /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:27.09 | helo_ | following nvidia-post-etch instrucsitons, i just get "Installation of nvidia-kernel-source failed" |
| 21:27.10 | screamingbytes | Throat: problem is nothing ive tried (googled, read about) works over the last few days |
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| 21:27.56 | Usiu | Hey any help ? |
| 21:28.19 | debCarlos | Usiu: ? |
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| 21:28.45 | screamingbytes | Throat: using vga=ask, i can pick 346 (hex), it will set 1600x1200, and works fine. If i put 346 in menu.lst it fails. If I convert it to a linux vesa / fbmode by adding 512, it still fails, hex or dec |
| 21:29.07 | screamingbytes | Throat: so my bios likes 346, but linux won't convert it properly |
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| 21:29.16 | alaKx | Hello, Could someone help me with vncserver ? I can't start it because of the error "Could not create lock file in /tmp/.tX1-lock". I have permessions for /tmp |
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| 21:29.31 | mooseman089 | hi does anybody know how to setup openvpn in bridging mode? |
| 21:29.34 | Throat | screamingbytes, perhaps need to say 0x346? |
| 21:29.46 | screamingbytes | Throat: ive done that |
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| 21:29.52 | bjwebb | hello |
| 21:30.01 | jescispiiserver | I installed openssh-server and I do a "ls -l" But nothing's in my root folder :( |
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| 21:30.06 | debCarlos | !hello |
| 21:30.06 | dpkg | Hi, debcarlos! |
| 21:30.27 | screamingbytes | Throat: ive done 346, 0x346, decimal value, octal value for the same all fail, including adding 512 for proper linux form |
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| 21:30.54 | bjwebb | i have one computer connected via wireless, and i want to be able to have another machine use that internet through an ethernet cable between the two |
| 21:31.01 | bjwebb | how do i do this? |
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| 21:31.09 | screamingbytes | Throat: for some reason, linux expects that 512 is added to the proper vesa mode number, and it strips it |
| 21:31.24 | Throat | screamingbytes, why is it so important to have a higher resolution during boot? |
| 21:31.43 | debCarlos | lol, yeah |
| 21:31.45 | screamingbytes | Throat: not jsut boot |
| 21:31.46 | Throat | just change it in a startup-script. |
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| 21:32.10 | screamingbytes | Throat: i want it permanent, i.e. im tired of having 80x25 reso but my monitor can support 1920x1200 |
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| 21:32.33 | screamingbytes | Throat: like right now im using a 3x5" square in the upper left corner of my monitor |
| 21:33.03 | humbolt1 | where do I get the latest mplayer, ffmpeg and other multimedia packages as deps? is there anything more recent than debian-multimedia? |
| 21:33.13 | abrotman | source? |
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| 21:34.02 | debCarlos | humbolt1: compiling sources? |
| 21:34.06 | humbolt1 | abrotman: I am aware of that. But I seem to remember there was something other than debian-multimedia. |
| 21:34.16 | ttick | Can anyone recommend a works-out-of-the-box wifi card for the standard 2.6.2* kernel? |
| 21:34.17 | abrotman | marillat ? |
| 21:34.26 | abrotman | ttick: g or b ? |
| 21:34.33 | ttick | b |
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| 21:34.43 | ttick | either one, really. I don't care. |
| 21:34.43 | abrotman | my orinoco works |
| 21:34.56 | Throat | abrotman, marillat is debian-multimedia |
| 21:35.02 | abrotman | Throat: i'm aware of that |
| 21:35.20 | ttick | what card, abrotman? |
| 21:35.35 | abrotman | 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 21:36.04 | ttick | abrotman: okay, but what do I type into amazon.com to find it? ;) |
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| 21:36.52 | abrotman | ttick: mine is integrated |
| 21:37.17 | ttick | abrotman: ah. Okay, I need a PCIMCIA card. |
| 21:37.28 | Throat | humbolt1, no, debian-multimedia is essentially it - perhaps someone else has made some packages and made them available - everybody can, but there's nothing that's widely used |
| 21:37.44 | abrotman | ttick: so google "Orinoco 802.11b PCMCIA card" |
| 21:38.02 | ttick | I'm tired of fucking around with this crap. Okay, thanks. |
| 21:38.50 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.58 | screamingbytes | quit |
| 21:39.05 | Throat | \quit |
| 21:39.12 | screamingbytes | kill myself |
| 21:39.12 | Throat | :-P |
| 21:39.19 | screamingbytes | die |
| 21:39.21 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 21:39.58 | Throat | wtf is /srv |
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| 21:40.51 | mxmx | how do i restart crond in debian etch? |
| 21:40.57 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORiNOCO |
| 21:41.24 | Throat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:41.44 | mxmx | Restarting periodic command scheduler: crond. |
| 21:41.49 | mxmx | gues that didit |
| 21:42.06 | alaKx | Hello, Could someone help me with vncserver ? I can't start it because of the error "Could not create lock file in /tmp/.tX1-lock". I have permessions for /tmp |
| 21:42.13 | mxmx | grr |
| 21:42.19 | mxmx | still my directadmin_cron is not working |
| 21:43.09 | Nyle | alaKx, if the file already exists, rm it and try again |
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| 21:44.48 | Rusty1 | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009OLLY?smid=A22QFO16Z14FNV&tag=nextag-ce-tier2-20&linkCode=asn << ttick |
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| 21:48.11 | ttick | thanks, Rusty1: wow, 90bucks?! Ouch. |
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| 21:50.00 | Rusty1 | ttick: http://www.amazon.com/Proxim-8470-FC-ORiNOCO-802-11b-Card/dp/B000227PC2/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_title_1 |
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| 21:52.48 | ttick | Rusty1: hmm, 40$ might be worth it, if it's really going to work without hassle. Just seems odd to pay $40 for something I usually think of as worth less than 10bucks in windows land. Thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 21:56.16 | Throat | $49? sais $52 for me |
| 21:56.59 | Throat | and $89 for the 1st one |
| 21:57.59 | debCarlos | Maybe it was $94 and not $49 |
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| 22:11.28 | zythmer | mxmx: If you have the same problem as yesterday, restarting cron is not going to solve it. You're not using the right crontab format: either add an user field or switch to a non-system crontab location. |
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| 22:17.34 | xand | cries at the death of one of his machines |
| 22:17.41 | xand | well, the CF card it runs from :( |
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| 22:20.41 | jescis | my bad. :( |
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| 22:22.02 | jescis | I'm not trying to be an asshole. But I don't think one needs to try to be one depending on the person</phylosophy> |
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| 22:23.54 | Cholito | I installed lenny on a x86, then I installed a kernel image for amd64 (linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64) which I thought it was for systems running 32 bits but having a 64 bits processor |
| 22:24.00 | Cholito | am I wrong? |
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| 22:25.04 | Cholito | I just tried to install the nvidia drivers and it told me I was using a 64 bits system (???) |
| 22:26.22 | Cholito | Oh, and btw, I have an amd x2 proc |
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| 22:27.55 | Coweater | it's a 64 bit kernel, still 32 bit userland, won't work with the nvidia driver |
| 22:29.05 | Cholito | should I get a k7 kernel? =/ |
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| 22:30.48 | screamingbytes | gentootmr: whats wrong? i just joined sry |
| 22:33.17 | Cholito | I'm really confused :S |
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| 22:45.02 | Petur | hello? |
| 22:45.09 | abrotman | there are people here |
| 22:45.29 | Petur | I'm looking for a nice web interface for BIND |
| 22:45.31 | Petur | Any recommentations? |
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| 22:46.38 | abrotman | i'm not aware of any .. maybe ask #dns .. or wait a bit |
| 22:46.49 | abrotman | not really sure why you'd want a web interface anyways |
| 22:46.50 | Petur | I found WebBind |
| 22:46.53 | Petur | Going go try it out |
| 22:47.35 | Petur | abrotman: So dump techsupport personal can edit DNS records for our customers |
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| 22:47.54 | CyberGabber | Petur: Check this : http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bindweb.htm |
| 22:47.57 | abrotman | dumb ? |
| 22:48.07 | Petur | ye =D sry bout that typo |
| 22:48.07 | Petur | =D |
| 22:48.26 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any way to change a primary partition to a logical one? |
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| 22:52.24 | rambo3 | !fstab > dpkg |
| 22:52.24 | dpkg | stabs > dpkg with a huge 'F'. Go 'F' yourself, > dpkg |
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| 22:52.54 | rambo3 | _ZeuZ_, no. |
| 22:53.14 | rambo3 | repartition |
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| 22:53.37 | debCarlos | Hi :D |
| 22:53.50 | debCarlos | I have a problem installing etchnfalf in my laptop |
| 22:53.59 | debCarlos | Well' |
| 22:54.13 | debCarlos | Not really installing because i already have it |
| 22:55.06 | debCarlos | But, when the linux kernel is loading i have to press the power button |
| 22:55.14 | debCarlos | And then it goes normally |
| 22:55.26 | mdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.51 | debCarlos | Then the message "populatin blahblah /dev" appears and i have to press the enter key |
| 22:56.07 | debCarlos | That's a bug? |
| 22:56.20 | debCarlos | It happens to me with testing and half |
| 22:56.27 | debCarlos | Anyway to solve it? |
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| 22:57.12 | debCarlos | !? |
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| 22:58.57 | debCarlos | !power |
| 22:58.59 | \sia\ | remove directory is 'rm directory' ? |
| 22:59.29 | dante_1core | \sia\: rm -R, but be careful to remove only stuff you need to. Read "man rm" first. |
| 22:59.34 | debCarlos | \sia\: rmdir directory (If it is empty) or rm -rf directory (If it have data) |
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| 22:59.56 | dante_1core | \sia\: i suggest reading the manpage. |
| 23:00.24 | \sia\ | debCarlos, && dante_1core thanx |
| 23:00.32 | dante_1core | np |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | !tell debCarlos about msg the bot |
| 23:02.01 | debCarlos | ok, i know about msg the bot, thanks. |
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| 23:03.56 | nebuchadnezzar | hello |
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| 23:07.10 | _ZeuZ_ | is it possible to merge 2 partitions ( /home and /) into one? |
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| 23:08.44 | \sia\ | manpages is installed but dont work ! |
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| 23:11.21 | jimisrvrox | ok so I think ive pinpointed where the bottleneck is...mem usage stays pretty steady..but this CPU usage just is horrendous...is there really anything I can do to lower the CPU usage? take for example..open a new tab..uses 92%..goto yahoo.com...uses 100%..so w/o upgrading anything for money reasons..is there really anything I can to lower the CPU usage? |
| 23:12.35 | _ZeuZ_ | jimisrvrox, use Swiftfox instead of firefox? |
| 23:12.52 | debCarlos | My debian etchnhalf and lenny installation in the laptop have problems? When kernel is loading i have to press power button and when dpkg is installing something (Haven't tried with apt) i have to press enter key... help!? |
| 23:13.13 | debCarlos | dmesg | tail doesn't show anything unusual |
| 23:13.15 | jimisrvrox | is swiftfox in the repo or do I have to go download it? |
| 23:13.52 | debCarlos | O podris usar elinks (lol) |
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| 23:14.26 | Lord^Anubis | there is a reposiory for it |
| 23:15.01 | Lord^Anubis | deb http://getswiftfox.com/builds/debian unstable non-free |
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| 23:15.43 | jimisrvrox | ok so just copy that into the terminal? ima n00b..so im pretty unfamiliar with linux.. |
| 23:16.13 | rambo3 | !find swiftfox |
| 23:16.50 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'swiftfox' returned no results. |
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| 23:17.39 | abrotman | Lord^Anubis: you realize that only works for unstable right ? |
| 23:17.54 | contessa | is there a chan for IS management ? |
| 23:18.02 | Lord^Anubis | oh, yes |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | jimisrvrox: do you have flash installed? |
| 23:18.16 | jimisrvrox | im pretty sure I do |
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| 23:18.32 | abrotman | flash is likely your problem .. not the browser itself |
| 23:18.37 | jimisrvrox | i can use youtube so Im pretty sure of it..went through hell tryin to get to it |
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| 23:18.54 | jimisrvrox | ok but just going to yahoo or opening a empty tab does it |
| 23:19.01 | jimisrvrox | it doesnt slow down only when I go to flash websites |
| 23:19.06 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. it's flash |
| 23:19.34 | jimisrvrox | *shakes head*...thats terrible. |
| 23:19.56 | contessa | so why hasnt anyone developed an alternative for flash yet ? |
| 23:20.25 | Arrowmaster | they have |
| 23:20.46 | Arrowmaster | problem is that it was microsoft that did it |
| 23:21.05 | jimisrvrox | oh silverlight |
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| 23:23.47 | Derek | hello |
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| 23:26.35 | jimisrvrox | ok so the other problem with my machine is that it will not allow me to add and extensions to my ice weasal..and i cant undersatnd why.. |
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| 23:27.24 | Derek | permissions problem? |
| 23:27.54 | dryrot | can someone help me with why my host wont boot from a debian tftpd/dhcpd server? http://pastie.org/251038 |
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| 23:28.38 | jimisrvrox | no not that im aware of.. |
| 23:28.53 | abrotman | jimisrvrox: should tell you why when you try |
| 23:28.55 | jimisrvrox | I have been able to install extensions on this pc so idk |
| 23:29.09 | jimisrvrox | well it says something about error 228 |
| 23:29.20 | jimisrvrox | and when I looked it up I dont exactly remember what it was saying.. |
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| 23:30.05 | Derek | i would try moving ur .mozilla dir,then trying again with a fresh one? |
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| 23:32.24 | tymonn_ | howdy :) |
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| 23:32.34 | Derek | hiya |
| 23:32.35 | tymonn_ | how can I install debian from an usb? |
| 23:32.52 | Derek | there is a guide on the debian site somewhere |
| 23:33.32 | tymonn_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s04.html |
| 23:33.33 | tymonn_ | this? |
| 23:33.39 | tymonn_ | i have intel core 2 duo |
| 23:33.53 | tymonn_ | i should install ia64 right? |
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| 23:34.01 | dondelelcaro | tymonn_: the install guide covers it; it's the same for anything that can boot off of usb |
| 23:34.06 | dondelelcaro | !ia64 |
| 23:34.07 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 23:34.07 | tymonn_ | Gets dondelelcaro ia64 <%) |
| 23:34.33 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 23:34.33 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:34.33 | tymonn_ | Gets dondelelcaro test <%) |
| 23:34.40 | dondelelcaro | tymonn_: turn wahtever that is off, please. |
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| 23:36.04 | tymonn_ | dondelelcaro: sorry didnt understand, turn what off? |
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| 23:36.43 | abrotman | !foo |
| 23:36.43 | dpkg | foo is probably probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 23:36.43 | tymonn_ | Gets abrotman foo <%) |
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| 23:36.55 | dondelelcaro | tymonn_: something in your client is auto-matically responding to ! |
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| 23:37.11 | abrotman | tymonn_: msg me when you can get your IRC client under control |
| 23:37.51 | Derek | is anyone here using fluxbox? |
| 23:37.54 | dondelelcaro | Derek: someone probably is |
| 23:38.02 | Derek | it is acting stupid lately |
| 23:38.09 | jimisrvrox | the other thing is why when I click on add to firefox that it takes FOREVER to come up with the install screen? |
| 23:38.54 | abrotman | Derek: we need more information |
| 23:39.23 | Derek | uhhh,i click on a tab on dock and it either crashes X or it makes the tab disapear |
| 23:39.40 | Derek | its the same fluxbox ive been using forever |
| 23:39.58 | Derek | but since the last time i updated lenny it is doin that |
| 23:40.26 | abrotman | so what else has been updated? |
| 23:40.39 | Derek | im not sure i really |
| 23:40.54 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:40.56 | Derek | just wondering if its just me? |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | Derek: checked the BTS? bugs.debian.org/fluxbox |
| 23:41.11 | dondelelcaro | Derek: there will be bugs filed otherwise |
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| 23:41.41 | simonrvn | abrotman: probably mirc, and some random virus infesting it :P |
| 23:41.52 | Derek | its not a fluxbox bug though,since im still using the same fluxbox ive had for awhile |
| 23:42.11 | abrotman | !dbugs 494507 |
| 23:42.19 | dpkg | #:I[#494507] ; |
| 23:42.26 | abrotman | doh .. |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | #494507 |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | fluxbox: crash after clicking on an icon on the "taskbar" |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | like that? |
| 23:42.37 | Derek | yessir |
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| 23:42.48 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494507 |
| 23:42.49 | Derek | ahh ok so its not just me?lol |
| 23:42.55 | Derek | cool thanks |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | unless you filed that bug :) |
| 23:43.07 | Derek | nope :P |
| 23:43.33 | abrotman | just reported today |
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| 23:45.41 | Cyorxamp | Lo, if I built a debian etch box with just the security repo's in sources.list - is there a way that box automatically and silently applying all upgrades for years to come? |
| 23:47.03 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: it's not really a good idea |
| 23:47.21 | Cyorxamp | even -just- the security stuff? |
| 23:47.28 | abrotman | what if it's a new kernel ? |
| 23:47.51 | Cyorxamp | hmm, good point |
| 23:48.35 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: if you really want to do it .. you can use cron-apt .. but it's really not a great plan |
| 23:49.03 | Cyorxamp | just thinking... say if theres was an etch box used as a network appliance or embedded system (i.e. not supposed to admin it or ssh in)... and put in place BEFORE the SSH crisis we had |
| 23:49.20 | Cyorxamp | it would have been cool if such a hypathetical box could have 'fixed itself' |
| 23:49.41 | simonrvn | 'hypothetical' |
| 23:49.42 | Cyorxamp | without relying on some security product being infront of it |
| 23:49.47 | Cyorxamp | yes that :D |
| 23:49.55 | Cyorxamp | its 12:49am gimme a break |
| 23:50.16 | MaliutaLap | no, it's 9:49am |
| 23:50.19 | Cyorxamp | basically a 'OMG YOU NEED THIS' repository |
| 23:50.35 | Cyorxamp | which I thought was security |
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| 23:53.13 | simonrvn | you're welcome |
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| 23:53.50 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:54.09 | |seb| | is lenny newer than etch? |
| 23:54.20 | Cyorxamp | indeed it is |
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| 23:54.58 | |seb| | danku |
| 23:56.42 | Cyorxamp | is Bind 9.5.1b1 going to be in etch security soon? to fix the cache poisening problem? |
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| 23:56.57 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: uh .. you should subsribe to the DSA list |
| 23:57.00 | abrotman | !dsa1571 |
| 23:57.00 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 23:57.05 | abrotman | bah .. wrong one |
| 23:57.08 | Cyorxamp | lol |
| 23:57.13 | epsilon | isnt it already fixed? |
| 23:57.15 | Cyorxamp | I know that weakness |
| 23:57.22 | Cyorxamp | yeah in 9.5.1b1 it is |
| 23:57.27 | abrotman | been fixed already |
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| 23:57.45 | abrotman | !dsa1603 |
| 23:57.45 | dpkg | dsa1603 is, like, structural dns design flaw. the end of the world is near, unless dns updated. test the dns you're using here: http://www.doxpara.com/ |
| 23:57.47 | abrotman | better ? |
| 23:57.47 | streuner | abrotman: hi, did you see the streams today? ;-) |
| 23:57.48 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: i.e. I should upgrade? |
| 23:57.54 | abrotman | streuner: it was raining here |
| 23:58.01 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1603 |
| 23:58.04 | epsilon | !dsa1603-1 |
| 23:58.05 | abrotman | you decide .. i'd say yes? |
| 23:58.07 | streuner | abrotman: debconf8 |
| 23:58.16 | abrotman | streuner: no .. should i have? |
| 23:58.25 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: lol I know... WHAT the problem is :D |
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| 23:58.36 | abrotman | Cyorxamp: did you read the DSA ? |
| 23:58.42 | streuner | abrotman: well, don't know |
| 23:58.54 | Cyorxamp | the ISP I work for has been desperately trying to upgrade old fedora core 2 and 3 systems with bind 9.5.1b1 |
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| 23:59.01 | Cyorxamp | lmao |
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| 23:59.45 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: so essentially debian doesn't need to be on 9.5.1b1 because the fix has been backported to the version debian etch uses? |