| 00:00.08 | SerajewelKS | nohelphere: it should be maintained without any special flags |
| 00:00.12 | nohelphere | ok |
| 00:00.33 | SerajewelKS | nohelphere: if it's not then try -p |
| 00:00.43 | nohelphere | ok |
| 00:00.45 | truckdriver | nohelphere: tar -xjf file.tar.bz2 i believe |
| 00:01.20 | nohelphere | i did that |
| 00:01.28 | SerajewelKS | themill: the rr dns probably sent me to a bad mirror :/ |
| 00:01.34 | SerajewelKS | themill: which one did it redirect you to? |
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| 00:02.35 | themill | SerajewelKS: ftp.acc.umu.se |
| 00:02.51 | SerajewelKS | themill: odd, same one over here |
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| 00:03.31 | nohelphere | im nowhere near done restoring stuff |
| 00:03.38 | nohelphere | i still have to reinstall every single package |
| 00:03.47 | nohelphere | wonders whats in /etc/apt |
| 00:04.05 | SerajewelKS | themill: i picked one from the mirror list, seems to work better |
| 00:04.22 | themill | SerajewelKS: that happens... |
| 00:04.31 | truckdriver | nohelphere: apt package management conf files = /etc/apt/ |
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| 00:05.01 | unixSnob | wonders if there is an 'aptitude' way of expressing 'apt-get --only-source build-dep gnupg-idea' |
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| 00:05.12 | acidslep | Hi! |
| 00:05.28 | SerajewelKS | themill: nod, not unexpected, just irritating :) |
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| 00:05.58 | nohelphere | i have a list faa dinstall befre i moved HDs |
| 00:06.09 | SerajewelKS | themill: grr, this one doesn't have weekly builds :( |
| 00:06.32 | themill | dpkg, qotd218 is <reply> * nohelphere wonders whats in /etc/apt |
| 00:06.32 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 00:06.46 | nohelphere | i just wish i could reinstall everuthing i ahd installed before |
| 00:06.53 | douji | can anyone recommend a good server manager front-end (similar in functionality to cpanel) but free/open source? |
| 00:07.16 | SerajewelKS | themill: wtf, i cannot reconcile this. links and iceweasel won't fetch the page but wget will. |
| 00:07.26 | nohelphere | is have a list fo installed packages |
| 00:07.40 | nohelphere | i just dont wnat to have to enter the names of all fo them |
| 00:07.46 | themill | SerajewelKS: nice... flakiness and luck |
| 00:08.05 | toor | nohelphere: apt-get install --reinstall * |
| 00:08.05 | toor | =) |
| 00:08.05 | SerajewelKS | themill: wget consistently gets it. neither of the browsers will, not even after restarting them. |
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| 00:08.16 | toor | *no guarantee for functionallity* |
| 00:08.44 | opensrcguru | douji: i doubt it. |
| 00:08.53 | SerajewelKS | themill: i have no idea why this would be. first time i've encountered something like this. |
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| 00:09.02 | nohelphere | toor, that woudl work to reinstall everythign currently installed |
| 00:09.12 | toor | nohelphere: maybe, yes =) |
| 00:09.16 | nohelphere | but i wnat to reinstall everythign i had installed before i moved to a new HD |
| 00:09.28 | nohelphere | i have a copy fo /etc |
| 00:09.38 | nohelphere | and a list fo all installed packaged |
| 00:09.43 | nohelphere | packages* |
| 00:10.18 | toor | =) |
| 00:10.33 | douji | opensrcguru: i found a list of hostingcontrolpanels, i was just wondering if anyone has any experience with any of them: http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 00:10.37 | toor | nohelphere: next time u should try a backup with dump and if you need it restore it =) |
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| 00:10.56 | nohelphere | im just too lazy to enter the name fo eahc package to install D: |
| 00:11.08 | nohelphere | and im searchign for a wya out of doing that |
| 00:11.30 | talexb | Hmm .. trying to install Lenny in expert mode and the installer is failing, trying to mount the CD drive. |
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| 00:12.01 | nohelphere | hmm |
| 00:12.06 | nohelphere | its nto too long of a list |
| 00:12.21 | bronaugh | hey, so I've installed a package from stable; now I want it to -stay- installed that way when I upgrade |
| 00:12.39 | nohelphere | umm |
| 00:12.42 | bronaugh | how can I mark the package as "hold" (if that'll have the desired effect) or otherwise prevent it from being upgraded/removed. |
| 00:12.51 | nohelphere | i have 457 packages to copy |
| 00:12.55 | nohelphere | to install |
| 00:13.09 | nohelphere | err 456 |
| 00:13.46 | themill | bronaugh: "when I upgrade" to what? |
| 00:13.49 | nohelphere | della:/usr/home# apt-get --reinstall * |
| 00:13.49 | nohelphere | E: Invalid operation b4 |
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| 00:14.01 | bronaugh | themill: I'm running unstable. |
| 00:14.14 | themill | dpkg: tell nohelphere about reinstall |
| 00:14.23 | bronaugh | themill: I need libgfortran1 so I can use a binary package of ncl (ugh). |
| 00:14.26 | curtmack | Why can't I stat, mv, view, or in any other way force Debian to acknowledge the existance of a file that begins with [? |
| 00:14.31 | toor | douji: i would try the "gnu hosting helper" sounds nice :) |
| 00:14.42 | nohelphere | i need a script to parse my list of installed packages |
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| 00:14.44 | bronaugh | which is unfortunately not available in unstable. so I had to downgrade 1 package and install another package from stable. |
| 00:14.51 | bronaugh | so I want that to stay put. |
| 00:14.57 | toor | or gnupanel if you doesnt need the multi server support |
| 00:15.02 | themill | bronaugh: eww. the g77/gfortran transition is ugly enough without that as well |
| 00:15.07 | douji | toor: yeah, that's the one i was thinking about, cause i plan on using postgresql |
| 00:15.20 | bronaugh | themill: yeah, it's gross. such is life |
| 00:15.25 | douji | toor: opps, i was actually looking at GNUPanel |
| 00:15.30 | themill | dpkg: tell bronaugh about hold |
| 00:15.42 | curtmack | The file does exist (unless Deluge deleted it immediately after downloading it, which is unlikely), yet it does not show up in Nautilus, ls, ls -a, bash completion, or anything else |
| 00:15.45 | themill | bronaugh: two methods depending on whether you use apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:15.54 | nohelphere | i have http://b47619.pastebin.com/d395471f4 |
| 00:15.58 | bronaugh | themill: sweet, that helps. |
| 00:16.04 | bronaugh | I'll use aptitude, since the syntax seems cleaner. |
| 00:16.13 | nohelphere | and i want a simple way to reiinstall all those packages without reinstalling |
| 00:16.24 | nohelphere | err withotu typign them all |
| 00:16.31 | themill | bronaugh: the two methods aren't identical. i.e. if you normally use apt-get, the aptitude hold will be ignored. |
| 00:16.37 | toor | douji: yeah, gnupanel looks really nice :) |
| 00:16.39 | bronaugh | themill: crapinahat. oh well. |
| 00:16.39 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how I can count how many items are in a dir? |
| 00:16.44 | toor | iam currently looking at the screenshots |
| 00:16.46 | toor | really nice |
| 00:16.50 | themill | bronaugh: just do both... |
| 00:17.20 | bronaugh | themill: point. |
| 00:17.31 | themill | nohelphere: did you read what dpkg just sent you? |
| 00:17.49 | truckdriver | PiousMinion: ls -l dir/ |wc -l |
| 00:17.52 | themill | PiousMinion: "ls -1 | wc -l" as long as you don't have filenames containing newlines |
| 00:17.54 | bronaugh | hmm, aptitude's being silly and trying to remove a crapload of stuff. |
| 00:17.57 | curtmack | and the weird thing is that it doesn't seem to be related to [... I just created a test file called [Hello].txt which works just fine... |
| 00:18.03 | bronaugh | oh well. not going to let it. |
| 00:18.07 | themill | dpkg: tell bronaugh about unmarkauto |
| 00:18.27 | bronaugh | fair enough |
| 00:18.28 | nohelphere | themill, i read it |
| 00:18.34 | bronaugh | themill: thanks a bunch :) |
| 00:18.36 | nohelphere | im not quite sur ei understand it tho \o/ |
| 00:18.40 | PiousMinion | themill: filenames can contain new lines? woah :P |
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| 00:19.40 | PiousMinion | themill: what if the filenames have space? |
| 00:19.40 | themill | PiousMinion: yep. \0 and / are the only two illegal characters on ext2/3 |
| 00:19.43 | curtmack | Filenames can contain anything, as long as special characters are escaped from the shell |
| 00:19.51 | curtmack | oh right, / and \0 |
| 00:20.02 | themill | PiousMinion: no worries with that command, you're only counting lines |
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| 00:20.50 | unop | FILES=(*); echo ${#FILES[@]} |
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| 00:20.57 | PiousMinion | thanks |
| 00:21.27 | themill | PiousMinion: actually, ls will protect you from \n by making it into a ? in the display... but always be wary of such things. |
| 00:22.03 | unop | ls's output was never meant to be parsed by other utilities |
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| 00:22.24 | themill | PiousMinion: err... it will protect you from \n in the output, but not in a pipe.. you do have to be careful. |
| 00:22.34 | nohelphere | themill, i got the list fo packages |
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| 00:22.40 | PiousMinion | :) |
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| 00:23.53 | themill | unop: correct... but counting lines isn't one of the worst things you can do. BTW that's a bash-only construct. And if you had too many files in the directory, I suspect it would fail. |
| 00:25.21 | unop | i'm aware |
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| 00:25.37 | unop | though it'd have to be quite a big number |
| 00:25.44 | unop | not sure what the limit is |
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| 00:26.19 | ponyofdeath | anyone know how i can disable ipv6 in snmpd i keep getting could not open /proc/net/if_inet6 |
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| 00:27.43 | nohelphere | themill, im tyrign that and it always fails |
| 00:28.01 | themill | what are you trying and how does it fail? |
| 00:28.18 | nohelphere | the package list is an outptu from aptitude |
| 00:28.39 | nohelphere | and it wont work in dpkg |
| 00:28.41 | Macer | hm |
| 00:28.49 | Macer | getting nit-debian to do everything on the n800 is a bitch |
| 00:28.56 | nohelphere | oh |
| 00:28.59 | Macer | heh.. so far i don't quite understand how the sound works and the bt tethering is a pain |
| 00:29.09 | themill | nohelphere: that wasn't what dpkg told you to do though |
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| 00:29.27 | nohelphere | <dpkg> themill wants you to know: it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 00:30.20 | themill | nohelphere: yes, I know exactly what dpkg told you. Nowhere does it tell you to take aptitude output and feed it to dpkg. |
| 00:30.22 | nohelphere | the ONLY list of packages i have is from aptitude |
| 00:30.36 | nohelphere | ive basically ried what there |
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| 00:30.45 | nohelphere | thsi is a completely different install |
| 00:30.54 | nohelphere | i have a list fo packages form the old install |
| 00:30.58 | themill | nohelphere: you're unable to generate a new list because you toasted the old one already? |
| 00:31.12 | nohelphere | i hvae the old install on a different HD |
| 00:31.20 | nohelphere | i could get a list |
| 00:31.27 | nohelphere | but only by floppy fdisk |
| 00:31.31 | nohelphere | disk* |
| 00:31.34 | nohelphere | if it woudl fit on one |
| 00:31.41 | nohelphere | (teh packkage list) |
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| 00:32.17 | nohelphere | http://b47619.pastebin.com/dc85e5ed is what i have |
| 00:32.21 | nohelphere | and everything in /etc |
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| 00:36.29 | themill | nohelphere: you could try this to reinstall the packages: "awk '/^i /{print $2}' < /tmp/list | xargs aptitude -y install" where /tmp/list is your package list. YMMV though.... |
| 00:36.30 | nohelphere | i copied everythign from the /etc backup to /etc |
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| 00:37.37 | nohelphere | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 00:37.38 | nohelphere | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:38.04 | nohelphere | and i entered packages.txt |
| 00:38.41 | themill | what's the output if you leave off the "| xargs .... " bit |
| 00:38.42 | nohelphere | nothing |
| 00:38.59 | nohelphere | wasit |
| 00:39.02 | nohelphere | i know why |
| 00:39.31 | nohelphere | its working |
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| 00:39.35 | nohelphere | installing 115 packages |
| 00:39.56 | nohelphere | was just copying everythign ni my /etc backup to /etc safe? |
| 00:40.10 | themill | nohelphere: it might work... |
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| 00:41.44 | nohelphere | mthe HDs health is at 100% |
| 00:41.51 | nohelphere | performance is only 70% |
| 00:42.07 | nohelphere | its a western digital |
| 00:42.13 | nohelphere | and this is unimportant |
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| 00:49.10 | talexb | Frustrating .. Lenny's installer can't find the CD ROM drive, yet /var/log/syslog shows that it's right there on hdb. |
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| 00:56.04 | nohelphere | iys doen already? |
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| 00:59.59 | nohelphere | its rbeooting |
| 01:00.08 | nohelphere | wonders what /etc will mess up |
| 01:00.15 | linuxguy | Ive just installed ver r 4.04.........but k3b isnt working at all its saying growfiso is missing?..also how do i update the kernel to ver 2.2.25\6 if at all possible.....currently its 2.6.18-k7.........thanks |
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| 01:02.48 | _ZeuZ_ | hey, how can I remove gnome-desktop-enviroment metapackage without actually removing GNOME Desktop Enviroment? |
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| 01:03.26 | eck | when a deb has Standards-Version: x.y.z, what document does that correspond to? |
| 01:03.35 | eck | i.e. if i wanted to read the latest standards |
| 01:03.48 | nohelphere | gah |
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| 01:03.54 | nohelphere | it wont accept ssh connections |
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| 01:04.26 | nohelphere | why wont it accept ssh :( |
| 01:04.33 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, you'll have to update from ETCH to Lenny |
| 01:04.52 | vista555 | i cant log on as root |
| 01:04.52 | _ZeuZ_ | nohelphere, erm, firewall issues? have you installed the SSH server? |
| 01:05.14 | _ZeuZ_ | vista555, sorry about that |
| 01:05.20 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, ..........is that easy to do?..I wont lose this file i want to burn will I? |
| 01:05.22 | _ZeuZ_ | vista555, from GDM? |
| 01:05.32 | _ZeuZ_ | !etch to lenny > linuxguy |
| 01:05.36 | nohelphere | _ZeuZ_, no not firewall |
| 01:06.03 | vista555 | im unfimilar with GDM |
| 01:06.16 | _ZeuZ_ | vista555, can you log in as root from the ttys? |
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| 01:06.23 | talexb | Whoa -- I can't believe it -- I tried One More Time, this time with the graphical installer, and after 15 minutes the installer finally said, "Hey, lookee here, the CD ROM drive's over here on hdb! |
| 01:06.36 | vista555 | i cant log on as root at all |
| 01:06.41 | stew | linuxguy: "aptitude install dvd+rw-tools" for growisofs |
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| 01:06.45 | vista555 | im using ubuntu |
| 01:06.47 | faca | Zeuz, it tells me that the whole meta package was automatically instaled... i thinks thats why i cant remove anything |
| 01:06.49 | _ZeuZ_ | vista555, what seems to be the error? what does it say? |
| 01:06.58 | _ZeuZ_ | vista555, erm, then go to #ubuntu+1 or #ubuntu |
| 01:07.07 | faca | using apt-get |
| 01:07.13 | vista555 | ok |
| 01:07.15 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, .......any ideas why bits went missing from k3b......all i get is the message growsfiso is missing.........yet it seemed to install (ver 4.04) fine the other nite |
| 01:07.19 | stew | linuxguy: so you really need 2.2.25? i assume you mean 2.6.25? do you really need 2.6.25? or is the 2.6.24 that is in etch ok? |
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| 01:07.47 | _ZeuZ_ | faca, no response still to my question, but dunno what else can depend on gnome-desktop-enviroment |
| 01:08.10 | linuxguy | stew, currently my ver is 2.6.18-k7 if it helps |
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| 01:08.18 | stew | linuxguy: why do you need 2.2.25? |
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| 01:09.54 | nohelphere | i know why |
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| 01:10.00 | nohelphere | something in /etc is messed up |
| 01:10.17 | _ZeuZ_ | nohelphere, it must be etc/sshd/sshd.conf |
| 01:10.19 | doyley | SPAM |
| 01:10.20 | doyley | SPAM |
| 01:10.20 | nohelphere | im getting connection refused |
| 01:10.21 | doyley | SPAM |
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| 01:10.53 | _ZeuZ_ | stew, Thanks! |
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| 01:11.28 | nohelphere | wonders if its stallign during boot |
| 01:11.39 | nohelphere | it will not accept ssh |
| 01:11.49 | nohelphere | connects monitor |
| 01:11.52 | _ZeuZ_ | nohelphere, is the daemon even started? |
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| 01:12.08 | linuxguy | stew, ........i guess im just wanting a more upto date kernel?? |
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| 01:12.39 | stew | linuxguy: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 01:12.59 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, ........that ! command didnt show me anything........i take it would show me an update to leny and how to do it? |
| 01:13.27 | _ZeuZ_ | !etch to lenny |
| 01:13.32 | _ZeuZ_ | :O |
| 01:13.32 | stew | linuxguy: there is no reason to upgrade to lenny just for a newer kernel |
| 01:15.02 | nohelphere | _ZeuZ_, idk if its staryed |
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| 01:16.53 | KDE4000 | hi guys, what can i do about "dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source" messages? |
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| 01:17.22 | stew | KDE4000: what is the file it is complaining about? |
| 01:17.27 | KDE4000 | i extracted the .orig tar, and apply the debian patches |
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| 01:17.44 | KDE4000 | "dpkg-source: warning: executable mode 0755 of 'posix/glob/configure' will not be represented in diff" and such |
| 01:17.54 | linuxguy | stew, ......I guess i just want to have a really well upto date distro really |
| 01:18.01 | stew | KDE4000: what is the error (you can probably ignore the warnings) |
| 01:18.22 | stew | KDE4000: obviously you changed something else, since all of the changes in the diff were obviously representable |
| 01:18.50 | stew | linuxguy: you already have one |
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| 01:21.05 | KDE4000 | stew: http://pastebin.com/d7e8f8263 |
| 01:21.09 | linuxguy | stew, .......well ok........maybe ive just been looking aaaaaat the numbers.........im using 2.6.18-k7 and using kde desktop......perhaps because i see other kde distros are using 2.6.25\6 has confuseed me |
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| 01:22.20 | stew | KDE4000: yeah the 'binary file contents changed' are the problems |
| 01:22.26 | nohelphere | it has a messed up install |
| 01:22.54 | stew | KDE4000: if you don't intend to actually change those, restore those to the contents from the orig.tar.gz |
| 01:23.04 | stew | nohelphere: what does? |
| 01:23.21 | stew | KDE4000: what are you trying to change? |
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| 01:25.11 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, .is lemmy better than etch then? |
| 01:25.46 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, Lenny is more up-to-date, gonna turn into stable release soon. |
| 01:26.24 | nohelphere | i foudn the issue |
| 01:26.33 | nohelphere | /etc.fstab has WRING mountpoints |
| 01:26.49 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, ....i read that i think on distrowatch...about sept I think lenny is out?.is it worth upgrading now to the beta?..or stay as i am for now? |
| 01:27.02 | stew | linuxguy: its not going to be released in september |
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| 01:27.24 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, for me, it worths it. |
| 01:28.28 | nohelphere | how do I create a new fstab file? |
| 01:28.36 | linuxguy | stew, .when is lennny going to be released then? |
| 01:28.58 | stew | linuxguy: when it has zero release critical bugs, right now it has around 400 |
| 01:29.22 | linuxguy | stew, .i see |
| 01:29.40 | stew | nohelphere: "sensible-editor /etc/fstab" |
| 01:29.54 | nohelphere | ? |
| 01:29.59 | nohelphere | idk wtf it should be |
| 01:30.04 | stew | nohelphere: man fstab |
| 01:30.09 | nohelphere | i have to /usr |
| 01:30.16 | stew | what? |
| 01:30.17 | nohelphere | its on a seperate partition |
| 01:30.25 | nohelphere | /etc/fstab is messed up |
| 01:30.34 | stew | nohelphere: how is it messed up? |
| 01:30.35 | nohelphere | i restared a copy from a backup |
| 01:30.41 | nohelphere | restored* |
| 01:30.49 | nohelphere | it doesn't list all partitions |
| 01:31.13 | stew | nohelphere: add the missing partitions. "fdisk -l" would list all known partitions which might help you |
| 01:32.06 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, .....k3b is working fine now...thanks |
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| 01:32.45 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, how did you fix it? |
| 01:33.03 | KDE4000 | stew: well is there a good debian packaging howto? |
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| 01:33.25 | stew | KDE4000: /msg dpkg mg ; but that |
| 01:33.26 | unixSnob | there seems to be no package with the proper name update-alternatives... is galternatives what folks use? I installed it, and the configuration it shows doesn't match my current configuration |
| 01:33.48 | stew | KDE4000: but that's not going to cover changing a complex package like glibc. |
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| 01:34.05 | stew | KDE4000: what are you trying to do with glibc? |
| 01:34.27 | nohelphere | stew, i can't make my own /etc/fstab |
| 01:34.47 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, .it asked for the cd after typing in the command you posted as root.........it updated some files and .it put in growsfiso etc and its burning fine now |
| 01:35.11 | KDE4000 | stew: compile it :) |
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| 01:35.23 | nohelphere | stew, i have no backups |
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| 01:35.28 | stew | KDE4000: why compile it? debian already provides compiled versions |
| 01:35.35 | KDE4000 | stew: i want to repackage some software, i will change it soon, for a debian based distro, but id like to learn default first |
| 01:35.35 | stew | nohelphere: why cont you create one? |
| 01:35.56 | nohelphere | im not quite sur ehow to make one |
| 01:36.14 | nohelphere | is there any way to repair it somehow? |
| 01:36.20 | nohelphere | wihtout makign on emanually? |
| 01:36.44 | nohelphere | /proc/mounts is even weird i think |
| 01:36.50 | stew | KDE4000: "apt-get -b source packagename" would download the source and build it. or "apt-get source packagename" would download it, then "cd source-directory" and "debbuild" or "dpkg-buildpacksage -rfakeroot" or some such to build it |
| 01:37.01 | stew | nohelphere: i don't know a way to make one other than manually |
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| 01:37.53 | stew | nohelphere: what makes you say that your fstab is broken? |
| 01:38.19 | nohelphere | it doesn't list all partitions |
| 01:38.31 | jescis_X | Hey guys, I get this error when trying to run paste2pastebin.pl: Can't locate WWW/Mechanize.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./paste2pastebin.pl line 23. |
| 01:38.34 | stew | nohelphere: which partitions are missing? |
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| 01:38.44 | nohelphere | stew: all except / |
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| 01:39.05 | nohelphere | i restored a copy of /etc/fstab from a tar/bz2 archive |
| 01:39.17 | nohelphere | tha had a different partitioning scheme |
| 01:39.24 | stew | nohelphere: so why can't you add an entry for / ? |
| 01:39.34 | stew | oh all but / are missing? |
| 01:39.46 | nohelphere | yeah stew |
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| 01:39.48 | nohelphere | all but / |
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| 01:40.00 | nohelphere | everything liek /usr /home and /swap are different partitions |
| 01:40.01 | stew | nohelphere: the backup you had didn't have anything but / ? |
| 01:40.05 | jescis_X | My question is what package am I missing? |
| 01:40.21 | nohelphere | stew: the backup is from a hd that was partitioned in a completely different way |
| 01:40.38 | nohelphere | ithe current /etc/fstab has everythign ni one file |
| 01:40.49 | pickcoder | more connect spam crap |
| 01:40.49 | nohelphere | and old one was correct |
| 01:40.51 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 01:41.00 | nohelphere | yet i have NO backups of the corking one |
| 01:41.27 | stew | nohelphere: have you checked fstab -l? |
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| 01:41.46 | stew | pickcoder: on-join spam here? |
| 01:41.53 | pickcoder | no. onconnect |
| 01:42.15 | stew | pickcoder: tell #freenode |
| 01:42.26 | pickcoder | I'm there |
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| 01:42.53 | nohelphere | fstab command not found |
| 01:42.58 | nohelphere | i have no /usr |
| 01:43.06 | nohelphere | its on a un-mounted partition |
| 01:43.15 | nohelphere | as it worked with the old mountpoints settings |
| 01:43.37 | stew | nohelphere: sorry, i meant "fdisk -l" |
| 01:43.37 | nohelphere | idk what partition it is either |
| 01:43.40 | nohelphere | oh |
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| 01:44.31 | nohelphere | that shows all aprtitions |
| 01:44.36 | nohelphere | not mountpoints tho |
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| 01:45.13 | stew | nohelphere: mount the partitions and see what they contain |
| 01:45.20 | nohelphere | ok |
| 01:45.36 | jescis_X | The other problem is wine. Which the error I got I posted here: http://pastebin.ca/1093392 |
| 01:45.38 | nohelphere | how do i mount the partitions :S |
| 01:45.45 | stew | nohelphere: with mount |
| 01:45.56 | nohelphere | k |
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| 01:46.49 | nohelphere | it cant mount them |
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| 01:47.02 | nohelphere | sit says they aren't in /etc/fstab ro /etc/mtab |
| 01:47.16 | wols_ | nohelphere: you must be root |
| 01:47.21 | stew | nohelphere: you have to tell it where to mount them |
| 01:47.23 | nohelphere | i am root |
| 01:47.28 | nohelphere | oh |
| 01:47.34 | nohelphere | idk what the should be lol |
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| 01:49.00 | _adrenaline | anybody lose amsn after an update? |
| 01:50.01 | nohelphere | hda6 is /var |
| 01:50.07 | nohelphere | hda9 is /home |
| 01:51.17 | nohelphere | hda8 is tmp |
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| 01:52.53 | nohelphere | hda5 is usr |
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| 01:53.53 | nohelphere | hda 7 is swap |
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| 01:56.11 | nohelphere | now if only i could make a correct /etc/fstab |
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| 01:57.44 | nohelphere | hmm |
| 01:57.49 | nohelphere | i got /.usr |
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| 02:02.25 | mirror_man | Hi. I'm on Debian Testing and after doing an update for 36 updates, only 32 updates were applied and now Update Manager is showing 4 updates available but if I run it, (or aptitude from command line) no updates are available. Anyone else see this sort of thing? |
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| 02:07.13 | nohelphere | ots fixed |
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| 02:08.46 | nohelphere | /etc/fstab is HILARIOUS |
| 02:09.47 | nohelphere | thinks the sshd won't start |
| 02:09.55 | nohelphere | :( |
| 02:09.57 | nohelphere | GRR |
| 02:10.01 | nohelphere | I GIVE UP |
| 02:10.09 | nohelphere | :S |
| 02:10.11 | nohelphere | it works |
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| 02:11.03 | nohelphere | look |
| 02:11.04 | nohelphere | http://b47619.pastebin.com/dc46049e |
| 02:11.06 | nohelphere | rofl |
| 02:11.20 | CcSsNET | mirrorman |
| 02:11.29 | CcSsNET | exit xwindows |
| 02:11.38 | CcSsNET | and then redo updates |
| 02:11.48 | CcSsNET | from command line |
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| 02:13.03 | mirror_man | CcSsNET, I'll try it. Why would that work? |
| 02:13.21 | stew | mirror_man: it wouldn't make a difference |
| 02:13.35 | stew | mirror_man: show us the output from aptitude |
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| 02:14.56 | MrNaz | how do you restart the opensshd serve? |
| 02:14.59 | mirror_man | starscalling, No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. etc. |
| 02:15.14 | mirror_man | stew, No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 02:15.15 | stew | mirror_man: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 02:15.39 | stew | mirror_man: show us the actual command you ran and then entire output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 02:16.30 | CcSsNET | stew is lost |
| 02:16.42 | CcSsNET | and mirrorman its because files are no longer locked |
| 02:16.47 | CcSsNET | and in use |
| 02:16.58 | CcSsNET | so issue a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:17.09 | stew | CcSsNET: what do you mean by "lost"? |
| 02:17.10 | CcSsNET | at the command line with no x running and u should be good |
| 02:17.19 | stew | CcSsNET: why would it matter if x is running? |
| 02:17.23 | CcSsNET | stew it does make a difrence |
| 02:17.27 | stew | CcSsNET: how? |
| 02:17.32 | CcSsNET | some files are locked |
| 02:17.36 | stew | CcSsNET: what files? |
| 02:17.36 | mirror_man | CcSsNET, I will try it but with aptitude. Thanks. |
| 02:17.40 | CcSsNET | go try it urself next time it happens |
| 02:17.46 | stew | CcSsNET: next time what happens? |
| 02:18.00 | CcSsNET | stew SHUT UP im going now |
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| 02:18.21 | stew | CcSsNET: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep things constructive in the future |
| 02:19.15 | nohelphere | stabs durpal |
| 02:19.29 | nohelphere | drupal* |
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| 02:19.50 | unixSnob | jescis_X: what does that perl script do? does it let you pipe error output straight to pastebin? If you don't get the script fixed, you might want to check out xsel.. lets you pipe to the clipboard |
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| 02:22.02 | unixSnob | werdan7: what did /quote silence *!*@adsl-76-213-117-76.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net do? |
| 02:22.06 | unixSnob | jescis_X: what does that perl script do? does it let you pipe error output straight to pastebin? If you don't get the script fixed, you might want to check out xsel.. lets you pipe to the clipboard |
| 02:22.08 | enouf | jescis_X: i use that, i had to tweak it .. i forget exactly .. oh, wait, did you adjust it's config file yet? also, if on lenny, try the package "pastebinit" |
| 02:22.17 | enouf | unixSnob: Network spammer |
| 02:22.30 | unixSnob | sorry for the dupes |
| 02:22.45 | unixSnob | i'm just learning irssi |
| 02:23.07 | jescis_X | enouf, I got the script from pastebin.ca's site |
| 02:23.22 | nohelphere | wonders what http://b47619.pastebin.com/d5fca84b1 means |
| 02:23.33 | nohelphere | should I aks the MySQL people ro the drupal people? |
| 02:24.01 | stew | nohelphere: what does "ls -ld /tmp" return? |
| 02:24.21 | nohelphere | b4@della:~$ ls -ld /tmp |
| 02:24.21 | nohelphere | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 2008-08-05 22:09 /tmp |
| 02:24.22 | enouf | jescis_X: did you install libwww-mechanize-perl ? |
| 02:24.40 | stew | nohelphere: you changed the permissions on /tmp, they should be 1777 |
| 02:25.17 | nohelphere | problem solved |
| 02:25.30 | stew | nohelphere: why did you change them? |
| 02:25.33 | nohelphere | wonder shwt MySQL databases he's forgettign to restore |
| 02:25.36 | jescis_X | enouf, not yet. I didn't know I needed that package :/ |
| 02:25.41 | nohelphere | stew: chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 02:25.51 | enouf | !tell jescis_X -about pastebin pipe |
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| 02:25.58 | stew | nohelphere: how did they get changed in the first place? |
| 02:26.29 | nohelphere | idk |
| 02:26.39 | nohelphere | probably somethign with mounting |
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| 02:28.22 | gkffjcs_ | hey all, what kernel is debian running these days? |
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| 02:28.44 | stew | gkffjcs_: 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 in stable 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 in testing/unstable |
| 02:28.55 | nohelphere | wonders what he is forgetting |
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| 02:30.47 | willluongo | Hello, my sound is not working anymore after a reinstall. Any ideas? |
| 02:31.24 | nohelphere | did you install alsa? |
| 02:31.31 | nohelphere | did you install the sound drivers? |
| 02:31.37 | nohelphere | did you turn the speakers on? |
| 02:31.45 | nohelphere | ^i have to aks that one |
| 02:32.26 | willluongo | lol nohelphere: yes, in installation afaik, and yes. :) |
| 02:32.30 | stew | willluongo: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 02:33.45 | willluongo | stew: Thanks, I am doing now |
| 02:33.51 | stew | !alsa checklist =~ s#cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp#aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav# |
| 02:33.51 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp', stew |
| 02:33.58 | stew | oh but it does |
| 02:37.04 | jetscreamer | hey i want mode 4, or F05 ... but what do i put for vga= value |
| 02:37.16 | jetscreamer | i found it out in the select thing on framebuffer |
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| 02:37.55 | nohelphere | 'cat /dev/mem > /dev/dsp' ftw |
| 02:38.25 | jetscreamer | or where can i find a chart |
| 02:38.38 | gkffjcs_ | allright, I want to download an iso, which one should i choose, they all look pretty much the same except for the number after CD-, what dose this number mean and should I care? |
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| 02:38.50 | jetscreamer | #1 |
| 02:39.20 | jetscreamer | then 2 if you want more, then 3... the best stuff is on the earlier ones |
| 02:39.24 | nohelphere | i always use the businesscard iso |
| 02:39.30 | nohelphere | then again its for a server |
| 02:40.19 | gkffjcs_ | so what's the difference? I'm not really getting it, the higher the number the older the state of the image? |
| 02:40.38 | jetscreamer | no it just doesn't all fit on one cd |
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| 02:40.47 | jeffspeff | i'm wanting to change the filenames and install path of a program. it's opensource written in c++. it's cross-platform and i'm using mingw to cross-compile. i can successfully compile it all with out any errors. i just don't know how or where to change the install dir and names of the executables. can anybody help? |
| 02:40.49 | jetscreamer | so the stuff most ppl want is on 1, then 2... |
| 02:41.02 | stew | gkffjcs_: #1 is the installer and a bunch of packages, the others are just more packages for the case where you are installing onto a machine that can't get onto the internet to fetch more packages itself |
| 02:41.31 | EiNZTEiN | guys what is an "@" in the modes of a file? |
| 02:41.37 | jetscreamer | where can i find a list of different values for vga modes on the web |
| 02:41.40 | EiNZTEiN | like "-rwxr-xr-x@" |
| 02:42.01 | EiNZTEiN | or a "+"?? (have seen that one too) |
| 02:42.47 | karsten | Um, udev and NIC naming -- how do you override this? eth0 == eth5, eth1 == eth6. Sort of a PITA. |
| 02:42.56 | rznk | jetscreamer: I was actually looking at some yesterday. Let me go through my history a second... |
| 02:43.10 | karsten | EiNZTEiN: That usually means you've got a pretty f*cked filesystem. |
| 02:43.26 | karsten | jetscreamer: Yes. |
| 02:43.37 | karsten | You can find a list of differnet VGA modes on the web. ;-) |
| 02:43.56 | nohelphere | ok |
| 02:44.01 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... I think there's a HOWTO that gives a bunch of them, console HOWTO or something like that. |
| 02:44.04 | nohelphere | wtf is /bin/zsh now /bin/zsh4 ? |
| 02:44.04 | dalias | einztein, it means your file is opped |
| 02:44.05 | stew | karsten: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 02:44.06 | dalias | :) |
| 02:44.45 | karsten | stew: Thanks. |
| 02:44.52 | karsten | jetscreamer: framebuffer HOWTO IIRC. |
| 02:44.59 | karsten | eats.... |
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| 02:45.13 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 02:46.01 | jetscreamer | eats pizza |
| 02:46.09 | rznk | is jealous |
| 02:46.36 | EiNZTEiN | karsten, trying to scare me?? :S eeek |
| 02:46.47 | EiNZTEiN | dalias, opped? |
| 02:46.50 | EiNZTEiN | LOL |
| 02:46.53 | EiNZTEiN | nm hahaha |
| 02:47.01 | enouf | stew: but doesn't the redirection to /dev/dsp also let the user know whether or not (oss or alsa oss emulation) is also working properly? as the !soundcheck factoid mentions? |
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| 02:49.38 | stew | enouf: the prolem is that when a user that doesn't have a /dev/dsp runs that command, they end up filling / with a newly created regular file named /dev/dsp |
| 02:50.23 | enouf | jetscreamer: kernel ./Documentation/fb/* and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html and http://www.answers.com/topic/vesa-bios-extensions?cat=technology |
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| 02:51.21 | enouf | stew: ahh .. right, ok thanks .. maybe we need to say Ctrl-C it after a few seconds, but that factoid is already very long - maybe checklist #2 ;-) |
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| 02:52.43 | dalias | how can a user ever make regular files in / ?? |
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| 02:53.17 | nohelphere | thanks for all the help today |
| 02:53.18 | DogBoy | why would you need to |
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| 02:55.42 | wols_ | dalias: it's a bad idea for a user to do this |
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| 02:56.39 | jonkri | how do i set an environment variable that will become available to python scripts without restarting the system? |
| 02:57.08 | jonkri | or rather, apache, or whatever |
| 02:57.22 | jonkri | services :) |
| 02:57.23 | jescis_X | I need the legacy nvidia71xx drivers for my "Nvidia Riva TNT2" card. Or a free driver. I'm still not getting /dev/fb0 and 1366x768 resolution |
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| 03:00.00 | gkffjcs_ | so I just grabbed the buisness card iso, how wo I make sure that it installes the 18 kernel? |
| 03:00.19 | stew | gkffjcs_: it does by default |
| 03:00.24 | gkffjcs_ | cool! |
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| 03:02.38 | willluongo | Stew: I followed that list, but it doesn't appear to have helped. Any other ideas? |
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| 03:09.59 | COBOL1 | Binary executable files hello please send me viruses perferbable cross scripting or Binary executable files but anything is ok including spyware worms trojans whatever |
| 03:10.06 | COBOL1 | hello please send me viruses perferbable cross scripting or Binary executable files but anything is ok including spyware worms trojans whatever |
| 03:10.11 | COBOL1 | thank you |
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| 03:11.22 | enouf | jescis_X: i have that card, but i use vesa/directfb in console, and Xorg's 'nv' for X |
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| 03:12.32 | enouf | jescis_X: and, even if i were to try the binary blobs, i'd have no idea how to differentiate Etch's needed pkgs from Lenny/Sid's .. so i would surely mess that up too ;-) |
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| 03:14.16 | jescis | enouf, I still have no /dev/fb* :/ |
| 03:14.18 | enouf | jescis_X: what does cat /proc/cmdline say? |
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| 03:14.28 | enouf | or you jescis :-p |
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| 03:16.18 | pickcoder | stew: that's a nice one.. |
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| 03:17.22 | jescis | enouf, cat /proc/cmdline says: root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 03:18.13 | enouf | stew: what do you think of adding "also see <soundcheck>" to alsa checklist factoid? and expanding on it in the soundcheck factoid? |
| 03:18.42 | enouf | jescis: so, have you tried any vga=791 boot parameters yet? |
| 03:19.37 | enouf | hrm, and why isn't speaker-test mentioned .. hrm |
| 03:19.59 | jescis | enouf, no, because I wasn't sure where it really went :s |
| 03:20.03 | enouf | speaker-test -tsine -f440 for a nice A tone |
| 03:20.50 | enouf | jescis: i'm pretty sure you would have a /dev/fb0 once you add a vga= line .. also many vesa entries in dmesg at that point |
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| 03:22.02 | enouf | Joris_: and here's that paste2pastebin.pl in action --> ~$ pi "egrep -i 'vesa|fb' /var/log/dmesg" |
| 03:22.02 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1093449 |
| 03:22.17 | enouf | gah jescis i meant, not you Joris_ , my bad tab |
| 03:22.17 | jescis | enouf, oh ok. |
| 03:22.36 | enouf | jescis: i have that aliased, so pi calls the command/script |
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| 03:23.27 | enouf | jescis: now, i tweaked so it also shows the command i ran, so i don't have to paste all that into any channel, just the URL |
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| 03:25.08 | jescis | enouf, is this right: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791? |
| 03:25.18 | enouf | jescis: yep ;-) tjay |
| 03:25.23 | pickcoder | jescis: put it under #kopts |
| 03:25.38 | enouf | jescis: yep ;-) that will give you 1024x768 x16 bits |
| 03:25.42 | jescis | #kopts?? |
| 03:25.49 | pickcoder | unless that is for a specific kernel release |
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| 03:26.02 | enouf | pickcoder: we should wait, until he/she's sure it's what they want ;-) |
| 03:26.06 | pickcoder | okies |
| 03:26.13 | pickcoder | jescis: ignore me |
| 03:26.24 | jescis | enouf, he/she == me? |
| 03:26.38 | enouf | yeah .. well |
| 03:26.40 | enouf | it? |
| 03:26.42 | enouf | :-P |
| 03:27.04 | pickcoder | well that is a funky sentence.. |
| 03:27.12 | pickcoder | wonder what babelfish would do with it |
| 03:27.15 | hoonteke | is there a way to rate limit the download/inet bw of apt-get? |
| 03:27.24 | enouf | replace with they're :-) |
| 03:27.32 | jescis | I'm a he. jescis == Jeremiah Scott Norris |
| 03:27.51 | douji | is there a postgresql8.3 package for debian? |
| 03:28.11 | enouf | hoonteke: see .. dammit .. er .. ... |
| 03:28.31 | enouf | i can never remember it's name .. lmao |
| 03:28.35 | hoonteke | uh... huh? |
| 03:28.37 | hoonteke | oh haha |
| 03:28.49 | enouf | trickle! |
| 03:28.54 | enouf | i think |
| 03:29.28 | enouf | hoonteke: trickle ;-) |
| 03:30.10 | jmd | What does the " |
| 03:30.27 | jmd | What does the "+b1" suffix on a package mean? |
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| 03:30.58 | enouf | abi revision 1 ? |
| 03:31.17 | pickcoder | additional B1 vitamins included |
| 03:31.54 | douji | n/m i found postgresql-8.1 |
| 03:32.08 | Nyle | tokens |
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| 03:34.49 | douji | how can i tell what version of postgres "postgresql-client-common" and "postgresql-common" are for? |
| 03:34.51 | jescis | enouf, By the way I downloaded the libwww-mechanize-perl package and it works now ;) |
| 03:35.19 | pickcoder | douji: apt-cache show <package> |
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| 03:35.23 | enouf | hoonteke: or, you could set http_proxy env variable, if you want to use a proxy, and slow it down there - man apt.conf |
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| 03:35.26 | pickcoder | or aptitude show |
| 03:35.59 | enouf | jescis: ok, so how many of the 10 on your Issues list have we now crossed off? ;-) |
| 03:36.25 | douji | pickcoder: thanks |
| 03:36.27 | jescis | hahaha |
| 03:36.44 | pickcoder | building a form robot? |
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| 03:37.11 | douji | pickcoder: when it says "Replaces: postgresql (<<7.5)" what does that mean? i just installed postgresql-8.1 and removed postgresql-7.4 |
| 03:38.14 | pickcoder | douji: it will replace all postgresql packages installed that are <= 7.5 |
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| 03:38.59 | pickcoder | aptitude would have stated that 7.4 was being remove and 8.1 was being install if you hadn't removed 7.4 first |
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| 03:39.33 | douji | pickcoder: it didn't do it when i installed 8.1... i had to go in and manually remove 7.4 |
| 03:39.36 | jescis | enouf, should I be getting a form.pm error? |
| 03:39.50 | douji | pickcoder: i used apt-get install .. |
| 03:39.52 | pickcoder | douji: eh? where did 8.1 come from |
| 03:40.20 | enouf | jescis: erm, when where why? |
| 03:40.37 | enouf | jescis: from pastebin thing? |
| 03:40.48 | douji | pickcoder: i ran apt-get install postgresql-8.1 postgresql-client-8.1 |
| 03:40.54 | barnum | debian got owned at linuxworld.... noone manned the booth pcbsd took it over |
| 03:40.56 | jescis | enouf, when running the paste2pastebin.pl script |
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| 03:41.11 | barnum | put up a pcbsd poster and a bunch of pcbsd cd's |
| 03:41.44 | pickcoder | !info postgesql etch |
| 03:41.55 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 03:41.58 | pickcoder | !info postgresql etch |
| 03:42.06 | wols_ | !tell pickcoder about msg the bot |
| 03:42.17 | pickcoder | I know about msg the bot |
| 03:42.25 | wols_ | if you do it in a query you don't embarrass yourself in public anymore :) |
| 03:42.35 | pickcoder | yeah right... |
| 03:42.45 | karsten | EiNZTEiN: No, not trying to scare you, telling you the truth |
| 03:42.52 | enouf | jescis: i'm not that perl literate, so ignore it if you can for now ;-) |
| 03:43.02 | wols_ | thinks he should start scaring karsten |
| 03:43.07 | jescis | enouf, says /usr/share/perl5/HTML/form.pm line 66 |
| 03:43.17 | wols_ | a good deed every day or however it's done |
| 03:43.46 | jescis | enouf, ok, I can ask in #perl ;) |
| 03:44.01 | pickcoder | douji: what does cat /etc/debian_version tell you |
| 03:44.24 | douji | 4.0 |
| 03:44.34 | jescis | enouf, But the script still works. So it's still cool :) |
| 03:44.48 | pickcoder | and your sources.list all say "etch" and not "sarge" |
| 03:44.54 | enouf | jescis: my file here is Form.pm, not form.pm and line 65 =item @forms = HTML::Form->parse( $html_document, %opt ) .. line 66 is blank |
| 03:44.55 | douji | yep |
| 03:45.18 | pickcoder | so I'll ask again.. where did 8.1 come from? |
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| 03:46.10 | jescis | enouf, that's the problem then... mione has ne on line 66 apparently(accoprding to the error) |
| 03:46.11 | douji | pickcoder: i did a apt-get install postgresql-8.1 |
| 03:46.16 | jescis | mine* |
| 03:46.53 | pickcoder | ok |
| 03:47.13 | enouf | jescis: pastebin that section of the file with line numbers - or the whole file even |
| 03:48.03 | pickcoder | douji: I see there's multiple versions |
| 03:48.08 | stew | enouf: sounds fine to me |
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| 03:48.09 | pickcoder | I only saw 8.3 at first |
| 03:48.52 | enouf | stew: ok .. |
| 03:49.11 | pickcoder | actually it says "conflicts" not "replaces |
| 03:49.30 | pickcoder | Conflicts: postgresql (< 7.5) |
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| 03:50.13 | douji | pickcoder: it says both Replaces AND Conflicts |
| 03:50.36 | pickcoder | douji: what command are to typing to see that? |
| 03:50.39 | pickcoder | s/to/you |
| 03:50.44 | douji | pickcoder, since it doesn't list 8.1 under Conflicts, i should be fine, right? |
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| 03:50.57 | douji | pickcoder: i'm using apt-cache show postgresql-common |
| 03:51.08 | pickcoder | douji: you should be fine, but I don't understand why it didn't remove 7.4 |
| 03:51.11 | enouf | stew: heh., >enouf< alsa checklist is also see <soundcheck> [dpkg] that's too long .. i was afraid of that ;-) oh well, maybe i'll just mention the ctrl-c in soundcheck factoid for now |
| 03:51.31 | douji | pickcoder: i wasn't sure which versions the postgresql-common was for, because it shows as version.. 71 |
| 03:51.49 | douji | pickcoder: instead of corrisponding to a ... postgresql version. |
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| 03:52.13 | pickcoder | douji: you got me there. I dunno |
| 03:52.27 | EiNZTEiN | karsten, how is it that my filesystem is getting f'ed because I have "@" and "+" at the end of my file modes (some files)?? |
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| 03:53.02 | douji | pickcoder: thanks a lot! |
| 03:53.03 | jescis | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1093473 |
| 03:53.27 | douji | if i install a doc package, where would it be placed? |
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| 03:54.40 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.46 | douji | oic, thanks |
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| 03:55.23 | enouf | jescis: you line 66 is empty too .. i guess i misunderstood you |
| 03:55.28 | enouf | your* |
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| 03:56.38 | esaym | how do I enable frame buffer? /dev/fb* is missing |
| 03:56.39 | enouf | EiNZTEiN: IINM, the + and such are from ACL (or selinux?) permissions? |
| 03:56.58 | EiNZTEiN | gotcha |
| 03:57.04 | enouf | esaym: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 03:57.05 | EiNZTEiN | thanks |
| 03:57.12 | EiNZTEiN | I just never saw them on my system |
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| 03:58.22 | jescis | enouf, I'm really not worried about it. But every time I run the script it come with different lines for the errors. Also untill I reboot to get the vga setting to work my tty out put is chopped one inch from the left :s |
| 03:58.27 | msshams | i write this line to my crontab. but i dont know why it don't execute?! |
| 03:58.27 | msshams | 10 * * * * /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon restart; /etc/init.d/courier-imap restart; echo "restarted" >> /root/qmail.log |
| 03:58.29 | esaym | enouf: that simple huh? |
| 03:58.32 | enouf | EiNZTEiN: shows an example usage http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/applying-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-within-a-specific-folder-605129/ |
| 03:58.50 | enouf | esaym: cat /proc/cmdline says? |
| 03:59.25 | enouf | jescis: if your monitor has AutoAdjust in the Menu, use it ;-) |
| 03:59.41 | esaym | enouf: root=/dev/sda1 ro nmi_watchdog=0 |
| 04:00.04 | jescis | enouf, where in the menu? the file? |
| 04:00.16 | enouf | esaym: ok, see if adding vga=791 (in menu.lst) to that helps |
| 04:00.20 | esaym | enouf: I thought you meant that it was as simple as adding something to cmdline (and it probably is) |
| 04:00.29 | esaym | enouf: ok thanks |
| 04:00.37 | enouf | jescis: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 04:00.59 | enouf | esaym: you and jescis both are having that exact same issue it seems |
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| 04:02.03 | enouf | esaym: and jescis you COULD also just edit menu.lst when the Grub menu 1st appears - see the test it shows about how to edit lines and such -- see 'e', etc etc |
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| 04:03.05 | esaym | I am going to edit and then reboot, and then I am going to sleep lol |
| 04:03.15 | enouf | i'm only telling you esaym and jescis in case, for some reason, your system doesn't like the vga= line, and you want to test on a one time basis, or need to use that option to alter it back (remove it) at boot time |
| 04:03.40 | esaym | ah |
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| 04:05.05 | enouf | [00:04:57] Ignoring *!*@c-67-165-62-95.hsd1.oh.comcast.net ... what a relief! <-- more Private msg spamming |
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| 04:06.19 | jescis | enouf, more spammers? o.0 |
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| 04:06.33 | enouf | yep |
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| 04:07.09 | pickcoder | enouf: nick? |
| 04:07.30 | enouf | pickcoder: 00:04:39] iGenieJenny4u was n=dood@c-67-165-62-95.hsd1.oh.comcast.net (dodo) |
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| 04:08.03 | enouf | nick won't help though |
| 04:08.18 | enouf | it's a bot that renicks real fast |
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| 04:08.38 | pickcoder | need a few for #freenode |
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| 04:08.43 | pickcoder | I just got one |
| 04:08.52 | enouf | yep |
| 04:08.57 | jescis | enouf, people like that are the reason why sdome rules are in place. Like no food or drinks at a computer in the computer lab ;) |
| 04:09.07 | jescis | some* |
| 04:09.20 | enouf | jescis: will you reboot already :-P |
| 04:09.42 | jescis | all right. |
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| 04:11.18 | rznk | clear |
| 04:11.39 | rznk | Pardon me :) |
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| 04:17.19 | Internat | is there a way via apt, to download/install the packages but NOT configure them? |
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| 04:17.54 | jbinder | You can always dpkg-reconfigure them later on. |
| 04:17.55 | enouf | Internat: that would be your debconf settings |
| 04:18.04 | grendal_prime | whats the dpkg switch that basically gives the ok for dpkg to download and install dipendencys? |
| 04:18.08 | enouf | Internat: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 04:18.15 | jbinder | Or that |
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| 04:18.40 | enouf | grendal_prime: apt-get/aptitude install -f ? |
| 04:19.08 | enouf | or dpkg --fix-broken, or whatever, man dpkg |
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| 04:19.48 | Internat | hmms.. that seems slihgtly like what i want. know where debconf stores that preference? ie is it something i can set without having to use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:19.57 | grendal_prime | ok i downloaded a package from a vendor directly...it is asking for perl..some other stuff...so dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 04:20.02 | jescis | enouf, I'm back and my resolution is1024x768 \o/ |
| 04:20.05 | grendal_prime | ok --fix-broken |
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| 04:21.21 | enouf | jescis: \o/ .. now, pastebin this output "egrep -i 'vesa|fb' /var/log/dmesg" |
| 04:21.43 | stew | grendal_prime: asking for perl? |
| 04:22.24 | grendal_prime | that was an example. |
| 04:22.40 | stew | grendal_prime: you already have perl |
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| 04:23.29 | grendal_prime | hmmm i dont know about on this system actually..its pretty bare bones..also it may be looking for something specific..i know open ssl is not installed on it yet |
| 04:23.31 | grendal_prime | thing is... |
| 04:23.51 | grendal_prime | i know there is a switch that does this ive used it in the past..i just dont see it in the man for dpkg.. |
| 04:24.05 | grendal_prime | i can use aptitude -f filename.deb like that? |
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| 04:25.37 | enouf | grendal_prime: you might be thinking of build-deps when you build and install a deb from deb sources |
| 04:25.51 | stew | grendal_prime: a switch that does what? |
| 04:25.55 | grendal_prime | no no ...that worked aptitude install packagename.deb.. |
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| 04:26.12 | stew | ? |
| 04:26.32 | grendal_prime | it then asks me if i like the first solution wich is to uninstall the package that flubed..i tell it no then it asks me if i want to install the dependencs |
| 04:26.34 | grendal_prime | that got it |
| 04:27.00 | enouf | i'm amazed i'm able to even half-grok this blattherings ;-) |
| 04:27.08 | stew | grendal_prime: aptitude can't install .debs, so "aptitude install somefile.deb" would not work |
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| 04:32.35 | jetscreamer | !splash |
| 04:32.50 | jetscreamer | !bootsplash |
| 04:32.50 | dpkg | bootsplash is probably http://www.bootsplash.org/ see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 04:41.18 | enouf | jescis: er .. did you pass out? :-P |
| 04:41.28 | enouf | jescis: got any fb0 now? |
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| 04:42.50 | jescis | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1093500 |
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| 04:44.22 | enouf | !win jescis |
| 04:44.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, jescis! You have won the US presidency! |
| 04:45.03 | jescis | Bwahahahaha |
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| 04:46.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray |
| 04:46.52 | enouf | jescis: so .. what are we down to? .. 5 "issues" left or so? |
| 04:47.14 | jescis | enouf, about |
| 04:49.23 | jescis | enouf, my friend had debian installed but wanted limewire(lamewire.) I tried to get it to work on my end as well. But I decided on using gt-gnutella ;) |
| 04:50.50 | enouf | jescis: ok then ;-) |
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| 04:53.07 | grendal_prime | umm stew..that worked like a charm..soooo i mean i dont know what you mean by aptitude cant install a .deb...the man says it can |
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| 04:53.14 | greeg | hi |
| 04:53.45 | greeg | video is skippy when i fullscreen youtube. but not playing movies locally like dvd's or xine. |
| 04:54.05 | greeg | is there a way to allocate more memory? is there a buffer that can be increased? |
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| 04:54.10 | greeg | iceweasel |
| 04:54.42 | grendal_prime | sounds like an internet connection thing... |
| 04:54.54 | greeg | nope. cable |
| 04:55.08 | greeg | and youtube plays fine on my dads vista laptop |
| 04:55.18 | grendal_prime | or..hell man my windows box wont play anything off of youtube...and its on bonded t1.. |
| 04:55.43 | grendal_prime | my linux workstation at least works with stuff like that.. |
| 04:56.11 | grendal_prime | there is just alot of varriables that come into play when you are streaming vid off the internet.. |
| 04:56.17 | greeg | youtube is fine when i dont full screen it. but i want to be able to full screen too |
| 04:56.20 | grendal_prime | could be a youtub thing(it is popular site) |
| 04:56.33 | dalias | sounds like a performance shit issue with flash player |
| 04:56.35 | grendal_prime | ok probably video issue then |
| 04:56.44 | grendal_prime | ya like dalias says |
| 04:56.46 | douji | um.. this is probably a simple question, and i've tried googling, but: I've installed postgresql and postgresql-client how do i configure it? (users, etc) and use the postgres client? |
| 04:56.49 | dalias | like using software scaling instead of hardware |
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| 04:57.15 | dalias | nonfree software sucks |
| 04:57.21 | grendal_prime | that would be a biggie |
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| 04:57.30 | dalias | free software usually sucks too but it can at least be fixed in theory.. |
| 04:57.31 | grendal_prime | ya you shouldnt use it..go buy something better |
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| 05:06.33 | neoblitz | #flood |
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| 05:08.15 | dancor | can i easily disable all network management |
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| 05:08.53 | jescis | enouf, I unplugged all my usb devices that I thought would be seen as sound devices. Now I need to find out what my ensonic AudioPCI card is so I can force alsamixer to recognize it(either that or I must reboot again :s ) |
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| 05:09.35 | Gramps | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:09.56 | enouf | jescis: ok, hold up |
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| 05:10.06 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:10.21 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:10.23 | barnum | wow cool! |
| 05:10.25 | enouf | jescis: what does unplugging your USB Drives have to do with any Audio issues? |
| 05:10.27 | barnum | now go away |
| 05:10.30 | xsdg | !ops Wakeboardin_Sk8r |
| 05:10.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xsdg complains about: Wakeboardin_Sk8r |
| 05:10.36 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:10.41 | enouf | jescis: and .. what audio issues? and which DE are you using? |
| 05:10.46 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:10.58 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:11.09 | Penol | !op Wakeboardin_Sk8r is flooding |
| 05:11.09 | dpkg | Penol: okay |
| 05:11.09 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:11.17 | Wakeboardin_Sk8r | Wakeboarding is 1 of da most rapid growing sports in da land. It is basically sk8boarding(or snoboardin) on water usin a boat. It is leadin 2 some new rad trickz n skillz dat can only b done while wakeboarding. Cuz of da sportz popularity, I have started a wakeboardin fan club on IRC for all things wakeboard. Just join #wakeboardinzone to get in on da fun and discuss wakeboardin. |
| 05:11.34 | enouf | EVERYONE - ignore --> @c-67-165-62-95.hsd1.oh.comcast.net (dodo) and ==> @adsl-76-213-117-76.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net (min) |
| 05:11.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o stylus] by ChanServ |
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| 05:11.45 | meglo | hmmm, I must check out this "wakeboardin" phenomenon |
| 05:11.46 | Penol | thanks stylus |
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| 05:11.48 | Penol | :) |
| 05:11.51 | jescis | enouf, I'm using gnome and I think logitech's QuickCam is recognized as an audio device |
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| 05:12.14 | enouf | jescis: you have a quickcam on a p2 ? O_o |
| 05:12.15 | jescis | enouf, so I needed to disconnect it |
| 05:12.21 | enouf | usb 1.1 jescis ? |
| 05:12.32 | jescis | 2.0 |
| 05:12.46 | xsdg | stylus: might want to add yourself to the "ops" thingie |
| 05:12.55 | xsdg | (thanks, btw) |
| 05:12.59 | jescis | I have a k7(AMD Athlon XP 2000+) |
| 05:13.31 | enouf | jescis: oh, right |
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| 05:13.48 | grendal_prime | this is probably a stupid question but...it keep running into this problem..I have an app that runs in x on a remote server..now if i ssh into that box...and alow x11 forwarding..and i try running that box directly...sometimes it takes forever for it to run..but if install vnc then tunnel the vnc protocl thorugh ssh..it is fine..fast and works great.. |
| 05:13.52 | enouf | jescis: anyway, i could prolly help, but right now, i'm tired - maybe another time |
| 05:14.03 | jescis | enouf, ok |
| 05:14.05 | grendal_prime | my question is...why this is the case.? |
| 05:14.48 | dancor | what daemon might be restarting my network devices |
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| 05:15.19 | grendal_prime | does remote execution of an x11 app..say for instance firefox really use that much resources? |
| 05:15.43 | grendal_prime | i mean ..am i being bitchy or is there a faster way of doing that? |
| 05:15.54 | MaliutaLap | grendal_prime: like say all the bandwidth to handle the display? |
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| 05:18.50 | grendal_prime | MaliutaLap: ya i mean...whats the deal? |
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| 05:19.32 | Nyle | jetscreamer, ping |
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| 05:20.22 | grendal_prime | i would think remotely executing the app and just sending the display info over ssh would be faster than having vnc send images and click events(and whatever other digital voodo it has to send) tunneled through ssh..but aparently that is not the case |
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| 05:22.32 | deadcat | linuxworld SUCK ASS this year |
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| 05:25.51 | streuner | is LA so boring these days? |
| 05:26.23 | streuner | s/LA/SF/ |
| 05:26.26 | deadcat | sf |
| 05:26.39 | deadcat | streuner: i havent seen this much sucking since the paris hilton sex video. |
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| 05:27.39 | streuner | hehe |
| 05:27.56 | deadcat | streuner: have few pics i took today.. callery.org |
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| 05:29.42 | grendal_prime | ya but it beats the hell out of being at work ill bet |
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| 05:29.49 | deadcat | i guess. |
| 05:30.16 | grendal_prime | well i should have just left it...It beats the hell out of being at work |
| 05:30.25 | deadcat | (= |
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| 05:30.59 | jescis | enouf, I found the info about my sound card :) And here's a paste of it: http://pastebin.ca/1093517 |
| 05:31.13 | streuner | deadcat: where's Debian? |
| 05:31.30 | deadcat | streuner: those bitches posted a sign saying they going to debcon instead |
| 05:31.41 | jescis | enouf, I used lsmod | grep ens1371 |
| 05:31.46 | streuner | oh, right |
| 05:31.53 | deadcat | streuner: i wasnt told. |
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| 05:32.43 | High_Fructose | I'm having a problem, I upgraded a lot of packages simultaneously including debconf (from 1.5.11etch1 to 1.5.11etch2) and after the debconf upgrade everything else failed and I can't manipulate packages anymore. |
| 05:33.01 | High_Fructose | when it tries to run debconf, there's a python error reported |
| 05:33.13 | High_Fructose | Compiling /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/x29a/autostart.py ... |
| 05:33.13 | High_Fructose | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.13 | High_Fructose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:34.04 | screamingbytes | evening all |
| 05:34.34 | screamingbytes | im trying to patch the kernel on a different machine, im logged in as root, i have run 'patch #1 < [path to diff] |
| 05:34.58 | screamingbytes | and in top there is no activity on this process, i started it 2 hours ago, any ideas? |
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| 05:38.35 | High_Fructose | I'm also unable to downgrade back to the old version of debconf with debconf broken :/ |
| 05:38.49 | High_Fructose | I'm using etch |
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| 05:39.05 | deadcat | sounds like a case of the mondays. |
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| 05:40.14 | jescis | I did something to this channels bot dpkg >:) |
| 05:40.51 | High_Fructose | Is there a way i can manually downgrade debconf, without using debconf in the process? |
| 05:41.32 | jescis | High_Fructose, can you get on the web? |
| 05:41.47 | High_Fructose | jescis: Yeah |
| 05:41.57 | High_Fructose | all that's broken is anything to do with package management |
| 05:42.18 | High_Fructose | all applications on the system work fine |
| 05:42.27 | jescis | High_Fructose, I'd do a search on debians site for the file |
| 05:43.53 | High_Fructose | The problem is that I can't then just install the .deb with dpkg -i |
| 05:44.03 | jescis | High_Fructose, that is only if I can't get it with the package manager |
| 05:44.07 | High_Fructose | because then the system will try to run debconf |
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| 05:44.33 | High_Fructose | jescis: It's not aptitude that's broken. It's debconf. So anything at all to do with package configuration will fail |
| 05:44.38 | douji | how do i read *.Debian.gz files? |
| 05:44.47 | streuner | zless |
| 05:44.53 | douji | thanks |
| 05:45.11 | High_Fructose | I guess if there's a way I can manually unpack files from a .deb and move them to their appropriate places |
| 05:45.57 | jescis | High_Fructose, there is a way in X to extract them |
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| 05:46.46 | High_Fructose | jescis I'm not running GNOME or KDE, I'm running IceWM without a file manager |
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| 05:47.14 | High_Fructose | so I need a standalone program to extract them |
| 05:47.30 | High_Fructose | also, this all depends on getting ahold of the previous version of debconf |
| 05:48.37 | High_Fructose | The files on the website are all 1.5.11etch2 |
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| 05:49.31 | High_Fructose | Hmm |
| 05:49.38 | geez20 | hi |
| 05:49.47 | High_Fructose | is there anybody here who didn't update and has debconf 1.5.11etch1 cached? |
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| 05:52.30 | High_Fructose | damn |
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| 05:55.37 | High_Fructose | Actually it looks like the problem might be debconf-i18n |
| 05:56.27 | High_Fructose | more specifically. |
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| 06:00.27 | High_Fructose | Whoa, actually it's more than that. Okay, the latest round of upgrades completely broke python for me in stable, and also made it impossible to unpack packages. |
| 06:00.37 | High_Fructose | This was in stable, too |
| 06:00.41 | High_Fructose | is there anyone else who experienced this? |
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| 06:04.03 | jc3 | hey all, im trying to tail -f the apache log file and | output to a php script that sits and listens on STDIN for monitoring. when i run with & and log out, the shell hangs. how can i background a "piped" process |
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| 06:15.54 | Jadewolf | Greetings, i just installed Debian via Sarge and had to use a wired NIC to get it to work, I have a Wireless NIC WMP54GS, when I go to configure it via Gnomes Network interface it does not seem to enable correctly any tips? |
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| 06:18.13 | joneal | hi |
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| 06:19.46 | pogay | I'm happy that curlpftfs works in 8.04... (in 7.10 it didn't for me). |
| 06:20.01 | pogay | sorry wrong group |
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| 06:27.14 | g0rd0n | how do i download an entire directory using lftp? |
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| 06:28.15 | Humanoid | Which debian package contains the SSL/TLS certificates for KDE apps? |
| 06:28.34 | OpenTokix | g0rd0n: im not sure if its ncftp or lftp, but one of them has queue command and one has mirror command |
| 06:28.50 | OpenTokix | g0rd0n: I think lftp has mirror foldername |
| 06:29.08 | g0rd0n | lftp has both mirror and queue |
| 06:29.17 | OpenTokix | ok, then mirror |
| 06:29.21 | g0rd0n | :) |
| 06:29.34 | g0rd0n | thank you |
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| 06:35.20 | Jadewolf | Anyone know what archive manager can unpack .exe files? |
| 06:36.21 | Humanoid | Jadewolf: .exe are not archive files, they are executables/binaries. |
| 06:37.48 | Jadewolf | then why am I being told to unpack a .exe file when I need to install a windows driver via ndiswrapper for my WiFI NIC |
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| 06:39.11 | Lagbolt | Jadewolf, self extracting |
| 06:39.27 | Lagbolt | Jadewolf, you can use unzip on them sometimes or maybe cabextract? depends on the file |
| 06:39.30 | greeg | hi |
| 06:39.33 | Jadewolf | nvm, unzip file.exe does it |
| 06:39.43 | greeg | im having trouble playing streaming flash (youtube), with mplayer |
| 06:40.47 | greeg | http://rafb.net/p/wMvi0s99.html |
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| 06:48.51 | enouf | greeg: you need the full url |
| 06:49.11 | enouf | greeg: or, you need my script, or another similar one |
| 06:50.30 | greeg | enouf: this is the full url from the address bar. can i see your script please? |
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| 06:53.13 | enouf | greeg: the full url can be gotten from the source HTML code - and i showed it to you in the other channel (##linux) |
| 06:53.52 | enouf | greeg: #!/bin/bash if [ -z "$1" ]; then echo "No URL!"; exit; fi url=$1 echo \"http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=`wget -q -O - $url | grep fullscreenUrl | awk -F'video_id=' '{ print $2 }' | sed -e 's/ /_/g' | tr -d \'\; `\" | xargs mplayer - |
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| 06:54.27 | enouf | greeg: or, you take that text, make a file, chmod +x file, and place it somehwere in your $PATH |
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| 06:55.29 | enouf | greeg: there are 3 line breaks, after bash , after fi, after $1 |
| 06:56.04 | greeg | enouf: i tried you example input. im in an infinate loop of |
| 06:56.04 | greeg | [flv @ 0x870a5e8]skipping flv packet: type 128, size 12847152, flags 0 |
| 06:56.06 | greeg | Stream not seekable! |
| 06:56.35 | joneal | hi |
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| 06:57.27 | greeg | hmm, kmplayer is playing it. but with no sound |
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| 06:58.11 | enouf | greeg: i already tried my full manual example (not needed with the above script), it works here .. sorry |
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| 06:59.21 | greeg | thanx enouf |
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| 06:59.37 | nonfatmatt | man debian is way faster than opensuse |
| 06:59.38 | greeg | i'll try wiht other players. getting that full url was helpful |
| 06:59.40 | nonfatmatt | if anyone cares |
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| 07:00.52 | Farhadix | hi guys, I can turn off or on my wifi and bluetooth adapters by Fn+F2 , is there any way to turning on/off from cli? |
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| 07:02.15 | enouf | greeg: then all you need to do next time is; The-file-i-made.sh "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6vtnzSRrMk" |
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| 07:04.07 | nonfatmatt | now a constructive question: is there a package freeze on sid because of the lenny release? |
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| 07:05.42 | jmd | What does the +b1 suffix in package names indicate? |
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| 07:09.18 | greeg | enouf: im not great with bash, can you help me with the cut/paste http://rafb.net/p/e6tkcM77.html ? |
| 07:09.38 | greeg | i think you were missing a fi |
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| 07:10.14 | greeg | oh you said 3 line breaks. let me find em |
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| 07:11.08 | enouf | greeg: line breaks can also be replaced with ';' |
| 07:11.30 | enouf | greeg: but anyone who knows bash can recognize where the breaks should go |
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| 07:12.32 | aszxc | hi |
| 07:12.34 | aszxc | can i remove /etc/nologin ? |
| 07:12.44 | aszxc | it's dead symlink to /var/lib/initscripts/nologin |
| 07:13.18 | enouf | nonfatmatt: yes - what used to trickle into lenny/testing from sid, does not occur while lenny(testing) is frozen |
| 07:13.52 | nonfatmatt | enouf, i'm running sid itself, so I'm assuming it's frozen |
| 07:14.17 | nonfatmatt | i've been waiting for a certain package to update for a month, and it hasn't so i'm considering to build it myself |
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| 07:14.18 | enouf | aszxc: i have no such symlink, nor file |
| 07:14.18 | jetscreamer | frozen sid? |
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| 07:14.40 | enouf | nonfatmatt: the sid pkgs have nothing to do with lenny/testing |
| 07:14.49 | enouf | gah |
| 07:15.00 | nonfatmatt | okay, thanks |
| 07:15.01 | jetscreamer | there is no frozen sid |
| 07:15.02 | enouf | man .. i am not syaing this succinctly at all |
| 07:15.10 | aszxc | enouf it was probably created with some updates cos i have it on all my server, creation date 28 July |
| 07:15.20 | aszxc | * all my servers |
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| 07:16.07 | greeg | enouf: got it thanx pal |
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| 07:17.05 | enouf | nonfatmatt: actually, what happens is, the sid pkgs don't get nearly enough testing at this point, because they never trickle down to lenny/testing .. yet, after two weeks or so, and no real big bugs are found, a newer version might be introduced into sid, so by the time lenny/testing goes stable, maybe four revisions to some sid pkgs have taken place, yet without major testing for bugs |
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| 07:17.45 | nonfatmatt | yeah, I understand that but since I run sid it doesn't apply, I'm assuming because of the work on lenny the package maintainer is just busy |
| 07:18.01 | nonfatmatt | but thanks for the explanation |
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| 07:18.14 | enouf | nonfatmatt: that's why much breakage ensues if someone leaves 'testing' in instead of 'lenny' in their sources, right after lenny goes stable - takes a few weeks to work the kinks out ;-) |
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| 07:19.38 | enouf | so, i originally should've said "No" .. but i didn't my bad - had to rethink it all :-P |
| 07:19.52 | Nyle | hey |
| 07:20.15 | enouf | aszxc: ok ,. not sure then - see which pkg put it there |
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| 07:20.27 | enouf | !find etc/nologin |
| 07:20.38 | aszxc | !find nologin |
| 07:20.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nologin' (2): (/etc/init.d/rmnologin) in admin/initscripts ;; (/lib/security/pam_nologin.so) in libs/libpam-modules. |
| 07:20.41 | enouf | hello Nyle |
| 07:21.25 | enouf | ok, well, it's very possible a pkg .postinst script made it - or some non-official mirror .deb .. |
| 07:21.40 | aszxc | i have only official |
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| 07:21.58 | jetscreamer | goodnight |
| 07:22.08 | enouf | ok, then my choice is the 1st one, the .postinst script of some pkg |
| 07:22.17 | enouf | night jet |
| 07:22.36 | Nyle | later |
| 07:22.51 | rdz | hi all. how can i check, wether two files are pointing to the same inode (are hardlinks)? |
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| 07:23.06 | Nyle | rdz, use ls? |
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| 07:23.15 | enouf | rdd: man find see -samefile |
| 07:23.22 | enouf | erm rdz |
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| 07:25.02 | omnivor | DCC SEND 888888888888888888 |
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| 07:25.09 | rdz | enouf, thanks |
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| 07:25.38 | tarzeau | does someone have enblend/enfuse debian packages? |
| 07:25.40 | rdz | Nyle, how to do that with ls? |
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| 07:26.15 | enouf | rdz: for example ~$ find /bin -samefile '/bin/uncompress' |
| 07:26.26 | OpenTokix | +++ATH |
| 07:26.52 | enouf | rznk_: oh, you could also feed find an inode number |
| 07:26.58 | enouf | +inum NNNNN |
| 07:27.08 | enouf | and ls -i filename will show it |
| 07:27.16 | enouf | i thin that's what Nyle meant |
| 07:27.33 | enouf | gah , not +inum, but -inum |
| 07:28.08 | rdz | Nyle, nevermind.. i found ls -i |
| 07:28.35 | rdz | enouf, thanks |
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| 07:28.58 | enouf | rdz: np |
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| 07:30.41 | enouf | rdz: but see, your inodes are not everyone elses inodes ;-) so ~$ find /bin -inum 818170 works here, since that's the inode containing uncompress from my previous example :-) |
| 07:31.28 | rdz | enouf, yeah. got that |
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| 07:33.26 | rdz | i copied whole /home to a new disk. how can i unmount actual /home and mount the new one? |
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| 07:34.00 | g0rd0n_ | shall i install linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 or keep the 2.6.18 one? |
| 07:35.35 | cheshair | rdz: something like "umount /home && mount -t fstype /dev/hdNN /home"? |
| 07:35.53 | cheshair | rdz: you have to be root, that's clear |
| 07:36.18 | rdz | cheshair, sorry. my question was not clear: i get 'device busy' when i try that. how can i make it 'unbusy'? |
| 07:36.43 | rdz | cheshair, how can i make sure, that all processes are stopped, that are accessing /home? |
| 07:36.46 | cheshair | rdz: fstype is the filesystem type and /dev/hdNN is the place you copied your home to |
| 07:36.55 | enouf | rdz: 1st, is oldhome on it's own partition? |
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| 07:37.02 | rdz | enouf, yeah |
| 07:37.03 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: if you have to ask, keep it |
| 07:37.11 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: usually someone needs it for support of newer hardware |
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| 07:37.24 | cheshair | rdz: i guess you may have to switch to runlevel 1 |
| 07:37.27 | Caelum | it says my ~/.ssh/id_dsa is compromised, so how can I still log in everywhere I have it listed in authorized_keys ? |
| 07:37.33 | rdz | cheshair, ah cool. thanks |
| 07:37.35 | tarzeau | rdz: edit fstab and mount -o remount whatever? |
| 07:37.38 | cheshair | rdz: ooops sorry, maybe runlevel2 |
| 07:37.47 | enouf | rdz: all your xterms and such and consoles you are default to be in /home |
| 07:37.54 | enouf | rdz: you need to cd out |
| 07:38.10 | rdz | enouf, i am root right now.. and in /root. |
| 07:38.11 | enouf | cheshair: runlevel2 is the main one in debian |
| 07:38.17 | enouf | !runlevels |
| 07:38.17 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
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| 07:38.34 | cheshair | enouf: ok so rl1 then, i always confuse them |
| 07:38.40 | rdz | ok.. i guess i neeed runlevel 1 then, right? |
| 07:38.48 | rdz | cheshair, ok. thanks |
| 07:38.48 | cheshair | rdz: definitely |
| 07:38.54 | enouf | rdz: and not logged in anywhere else (consoles)? and no other xterms open? |
| 07:39.06 | enouf | no you don't |
| 07:39.15 | Nathariel | Caelum: its a permission issue if I understand you correctly. Just chmod it right |
| 07:39.34 | enouf | but, if you have a bloated DE installed, you'll want to close that session |
| 07:39.48 | rdz | enouf, i am root, but got that ttough an ssh session as user. is that a problem? |
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| 07:40.18 | jescis | enouf, everything works now that I rebooted earlier |
| 07:40.19 | enouf | i don't follow |
| 07:40.27 | enouf | and i'm supposed to be sleeping |
| 07:41.14 | rdz | is it save to switch to runlevel 1, when i am connected over an ssh session? |
| 07:41.24 | cheshair | enouf and rdz: technically speaking i guess you could avoid run level 1, just closing everything wich deals with your user. in practice i think it's much faster switching to rl 1 |
| 07:41.25 | g0rd0n_ | tarzeau: i dont have hardware support problems, i have memory leak problems... but ok i guess a new kernel can do little to prevent that :( |
| 07:41.38 | Caelum | Nathariel: it's what ssh-vulnkey says |
| 07:41.50 | cheshair | rdz: you'll lose your connection if it is a user ssh |
| 07:41.51 | rdz | cheshair, but will that kick me out of the ssh session? |
| 07:41.56 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: application software can leak memory as well |
| 07:42.00 | rdz | cheshair, that is what i mean... |
| 07:42.05 | rdz | cheshair, thanks. |
| 07:42.22 | rdz | i think i need to enable ssh for root again |
| 07:42.30 | cheshair | rdz: are you working remotely via ssh? |
| 07:42.36 | rdz | cheshair, yeah |
| 07:42.47 | g0rd0n_ | tarzeau: is there a howto or something that explains how to trace that application software down that is causing this? every 1-2 months the swap suddenly gets completelly full and the server screws up :( i really need to find out what is causing this... |
| 07:42.58 | cheshair | rdz: then a last check before the "go!" |
| 07:43.23 | cheshair | rdz: we have to check that ssh server is still up when you switch to rl1 |
| 07:43.39 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: check using top or htop which program uses so much memory |
| 07:43.57 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: then get the source of the software and figure what takes memory without releasing it |
| 07:44.11 | g0rd0n_ | tarzeau: i do regurarly with top, but it happens so quickly i could not see it... |
| 07:44.14 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: fix the source, tell upstream, rebuild it, and use it |
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| 07:44.20 | Caelum | Nathariel: tried changing perms on my home dir from 777 to 700 and it doesn't make a diff |
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| 07:44.40 | Zoup | im looking for some music player which be able to control by other process ( liks xmms and xmms-remote ) |
| 07:44.44 | Nathariel | Caelum: i will pm u, sec |
| 07:44.46 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: try to be quicker |
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| 07:45.06 | g0rd0n_ | heh... maybe i should make a script that cats the top to a file regularly |
| 07:45.09 | enouf | jescis: ahh, ok, good |
| 07:46.40 | cheshair | rdz: no, if you are connected through ssh just logout, reconnect as root, try then to unmount home |
| 07:46.51 | cheshair | rdz: no rl1 stuff |
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| 07:48.40 | rdz | cheshair, yo.. i enabled root login and am connected. but of course, i still cannot simply umount /home. how can i stop all processes? |
| 07:49.03 | g0rd0n_ | tarzeau: last question: in htop, which is the column that describes the amount of swap used on the swap partition? |
| 07:49.04 | cheshair | rdz: try to use "lsof /home" |
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| 07:49.55 | rdz | cheshair, that is what i tried. no result |
| 07:50.10 | rdz | cheshair, do you get anything, when you do that? |
| 07:50.11 | cheshair | rdz: no entries from lsof? |
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| 07:50.29 | cheshair | rdz: sure, a lot of lines for my user |
| 07:50.35 | rdz | cheshair, i also get no output, when i do it on my local box |
| 07:50.42 | rdz | cheshair, hm. |
| 07:50.55 | tarzeau | g0rd0n_: you don't see that |
| 07:51.11 | vorsprung | rdz, try fuser instead |
| 07:51.25 | g0rd0n_ | tarzeau: damn... oh well, ill take VIRT instead |
| 07:51.26 | rdz | cheshair, hm... that is strange... i also thought, that it should display me all processes, that access home |
| 07:51.43 | rdz | vorsprung, what do you mean? |
| 07:51.59 | rdz | vorsprung, i still get no output |
| 07:52.16 | cheshair | rdz: man lsof |
| 07:52.29 | cheshair | rdz: you have probably to enable some recursive stuff |
| 07:52.41 | cheshair | rdz: on my sid they are the default |
| 07:53.12 | rdz | cheshair, hm.. i am on etch. do you think, they are so different? |
| 07:53.14 | cheshair | rdz: on a remote ubuntu (not mine indeed!!!) i have to use "lsof +D /home" |
| 07:53.39 | cheshair | rdz: try with +D |
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| 07:54.37 | rdz | cheshair, thanks. |
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| 07:55.05 | cheshair | rdz: just for information, which were the processes that locked your home? |
| 07:55.16 | rdz | cheshair, a lot |
| 07:55.30 | cheshair | rdz: :-) |
| 07:55.58 | cheshair | rdz: ok, enjoy your new home then, see ya! |
| 07:56.09 | rdz | cheshair, thanks a lot for your help |
| 07:56.21 | cheshair | rdz: you're welcome! |
| 07:56.46 | joneal | hi |
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| 08:03.48 | zxxd | hey |
| 08:04.58 | zxxd | where does mdadm save the raid superblock ? after the FS block or before? |
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| 08:08.37 | jescis | enouf, I'm thinking since I have the framebuffer working I don't need X. So I added tty7 as a terminal in /etc/inittab. What do you think? |
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| 08:09.06 | kasimon | Hi! Which header should I use to sort away mails sent by the debian bts? It hasn't got List-Id or the like. |
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| 08:10.39 | kasimon | There are X-Debian-PR-* and X-PTS-* headers, and I'm not sure which to use. |
| 08:13.09 | rmrfchik | if anyone intesrested, i've fixed alsa problem |
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| 08:14.46 | rmrfchik | just kill the file /etc/modprobe.d/sound created by alsaconf. |
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| 08:17.35 | orkam_wrk | Hello |
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| 08:18.51 | orkam_wrk | I have read in an (old) debian boof from Peter H. Ganten, that on creation of a user a group with the same name is automatically created, that inherits the user rights. Is that statement valid on the actual debian etch, too? |
| 08:18.57 | orkam_wrk | boof -> book |
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| 08:19.44 | joneal | Is there a way to change where apache looks for the homepage by default? |
| 08:20.23 | enouf | jescis: sure, it's your box, do whatever you want with it |
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| 08:21.00 | sobersabre | hi, is there an irc chan related to openssl stuff ? things like CA setup, etc. ? |
| 08:21.43 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: the word 'inherits' is questionable |
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| 08:21.59 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: finish the sentence just before there |
| 08:22.12 | orkam_wrk | My inglish is not so good. What I meant is 'group has the same rights as user' |
| 08:22.20 | joneal | you want to be a CA sobersabre? |
| 08:22.30 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: groups don't have the same rights as users |
| 08:22.37 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: they are completely separate |
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| 08:22.53 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: although the set of rights they *can have* is more or less the same |
| 08:22.56 | orkam_wrk | ok, thanks for the info. I see, I have to re.read the docs |
| 08:23.18 | orkam_wrk | but: good to know, that the group is actually created |
| 08:23.59 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: yeah, normally creating a user gives you 2 objects - a user, and a group, with the same name, and normally the same IDs. The user will be a member of just that one group |
| 08:24.41 | orkam_wrk | ok, that's what I wanted to know. Then my specific problem is solutable. Thank you for helping |
| 08:24.48 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: objects (files) have 4 bits for user perms, and 4 bits for group perms |
| 08:25.11 | Dewi | orkam_wrk: oops, 3 normal bits |
| 08:25.33 | Dewi | (but there are extra magic possibilities in upper bits like stickies etc) |
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| 08:26.10 | Dewi | (and the 3 bits for 'other'. I wasn't trying to be exhaustive) |
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| 08:27.12 | orkam_wrk | Dewi, I'm not too deep into user management, so I have to read the docs quite well first. After that I might understand what sticky bit etc. is good for :) |
| 08:27.19 | Nathariel | <joneal> Usually you have DocumentRoot directive |
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| 08:28.58 | joneal | yeah I'm looking at it Nathariel |
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| 08:31.56 | Crypticfortune | orkam_wrk: sticky bit is good for stuff like the /tmp directory, where all users have write access. otherwise you could create a file there, but i could delete it, or rename it to "haha.sucker" |
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| 08:34.09 | Crypticfortune | meanwhile, i'm having troubles trying to make a diskless lenny system boot with an nfs root. it seems to be doing pretty well until it gets to "Starting NFS common utilities: statd" where it hangs for a loong time, then says "failed!". it do eventually get a login prompt, and can log in, but then shutting down it hangs indefinitely on "stopping portmap daemon". any ideas? |
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| 08:39.30 | Nathariel | <Crypticfortune> first check what is the problem at boot. /var/log/syslog should point something |
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| 08:47.29 | loevborg | What's the easiest way to have two debian machiens share files "ad hoc" style, i.e. without much configuration. Sshfs is awfully slow. |
| 08:48.10 | SvenDowideit_ | rsync on a cronjob? :) |
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| 08:48.27 | ptman | loevborg: samba? I find it to be less of a hassle than nfs |
| 08:48.30 | SvenDowideit_ | scp? |
| 08:48.43 | rmrfchik | nfs rocks |
| 08:48.47 | loevborg | ptman: but doesn't this leave me with no "execute" permissions etc= |
| 08:48.49 | loevborg | ? |
| 08:48.52 | rleks | Hi, I got a quick question, I used to install debian testing on my servers with the 'netinst' ISO, but it doesn't seem to be on the debian site, any idea why not? |
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| 08:48.57 | zxxd | hi |
| 08:49.06 | zxxd | is there a debian script that runs grub-set-default on startup? |
| 08:49.26 | ptman | loevborg: samba has CIFS with POSIX extensions, so it should be possible to make it do whatevery you want, but I'm not familiar with the specifics |
| 08:49.32 | rmrfchik | nfs require one line in /etc/exports and can be accessed via autofs in /net/host/path |
| 08:49.34 | rleks | Anyone ? |
| 08:49.56 | loevborg | rmrfchik: can you explain your second point? |
| 08:50.11 | rmrfchik | install autofs package |
| 08:50.14 | ptman | rleks: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:50.31 | rleks | ptman: it seems I was looking in the wrong area, thank you |
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| 08:50.39 | rmrfchik | loevborg: hack /etc/auto.master to allow /net |
| 08:50.50 | zxxd | how do i make the system auto reboot after a timeout in case it panics at boottime? |
| 08:50.56 | rmrfchik | loesh: voila. access your lovely nfs servers by "cd /net/server/path" |
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| 08:51.06 | SvenDowideit_ | I have just built my own experimental debian repository with reprepro, and wondered if there was a repos2rss tool |
| 08:51.44 | rmrfchik | loesh: sorry, mean to loevborg |
| 08:51.56 | loevborg | rmrfchik: mh.. |
| 08:52.25 | rmrfchik | almost always use /net directory in solaris and linux. |
| 08:53.25 | eddieBB | can anyone help me to get iceweasel or any other browser working on Debian? |
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| 08:54.02 | rmrfchik | eddieBB: what's the problem? |
| 08:54.54 | eddieBB | rmrfchik: when i try to open iceweasel, it opens for a split second. then it closes immediately. |
| 08:55.15 | rmrfchik | start it in terminal (xterm, konsole what ever) |
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| 08:57.14 | simonrvn | -safe-mode |
| 08:57.22 | eddieBB | rmrfchik: http://i36.tinypic.com/bfgmzm.png |
| 08:57.54 | rmrfchik | eddieBB: hm. old libcairo? |
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| 08:58.17 | eddieBB | rmrfchik: not sure what you mean. i'm new to Linux.. |
| 08:58.38 | rmrfchik | apt-cache policy libcairo2 |
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| 08:59.34 | eddieBB | rmrfchik: http://pastebin.ca/1093612 |
| 09:00.47 | wols_ | eddieBB: you are trying to run firefox 3 in etch? |
| 09:00.59 | wols_ | !firefox 3 etch |
| 09:00.59 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...) |
| 09:01.04 | wols_ | eddieBB: not supported |
| 09:01.24 | Crypticfortune | i think i'm narrowing in on my statd problem. why would "getpeername" return "Socket operation on non-socket" (this is from a telnetd failing to start actually) |
| 09:01.32 | eddieBB | wols_: i want to run any browser that works.. |
| 09:01.35 | Crypticfortune | s/$/?/p |
| 09:01.41 | wols_ | eddieBB: the install iceweasel |
| 09:01.50 | wols_ | *then install |
| 09:01.56 | eddieBB | wols_: it is installed |
| 09:02.00 | wols_ | then run it |
| 09:02.08 | eddieBB | wols_: http://i36.tinypic.com/bfgmzm.png |
| 09:02.31 | wols_ | eddieBB: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 09:02.49 | jescis | wols_, hey man, I got rid of X \o/ |
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| 09:03.13 | wols_ | jescis: do you expect a cookie for that? |
| 09:03.37 | wols_ | eddieBB: also apt-cache show iceweasel |
| 09:03.42 | eddieBB | wols_: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:04.13 | jescis | wols_, no but I do get excited over things some might see as trivial :p |
| 09:04.14 | wols_ | e.g. what version of iceweasel |
| 09:04.29 | ilm | hi, is there a debian release that install kde 4.1 out-of-the-box ? |
| 09:04.41 | loevborg | rmrfchik: I don't understand this. Where do I configure the server to connect to? |
| 09:04.47 | eddieBB | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/1093616 |
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| 09:04.58 | wols_ | dpkg -l libcairo2 | tail - |
| 09:04.59 | dpkg | ii libcairo2 | tail - 3.7-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:05.00 | wols_ | dpkg -l libcairo2 | tail -1 |
| 09:05.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching libcairo2 | tail -1 |
| 09:06.06 | wols_ | you also want to have security.debian.org in your sources.list and update your iceweasel. current is 2.0.16-etch1 |
| 09:06.27 | wols_ | eddieBB: so what version is the installed libcairo? |
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| 09:06.44 | bob__ | hi - is it possible to use ssh like a proxy? Our VPN has gone down and I need to VNC into a server, so could i do something like this: ME ---- (ssh + vnc)----- OTHER_SERVER ------- (vnc) ------- TARGET_SERVER ? the OTHER_SERVER doesn't have X, and I'd rather not install it |
| 09:07.12 | eddieBB | wols_: how do i find that out? |
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| 09:08.43 | wols_ | see the dpkg command |
| 09:08.49 | Crypticfortune | bob__: yes (man ssh, see the -l and possibly -D options) |
| 09:08.53 | wols_ | bob__: yes. ssh portforward |
| 09:09.49 | eddieBB | wols_: is there a command i type for that? |
| 09:10.20 | wols_ | yes look up. 5 minutes exact ago |
| 09:10.34 | wols_ | exactly here in the channel |
| 09:11.28 | eddieBB | wols_: ii libcairo2 1.2.4-4.1+etch1 The Cairo 2D vector graphics library |
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| 09:12.07 | wols_ | proper libcairo, proper iceweasel :( |
| 09:12.34 | wols_ | do a apt-get update and dist-upgrade after you made sure you have security.debian.org in your sources.list |
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| 09:12.44 | wols_ | that should at least give you a new version of iceweasel |
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| 09:17.04 | eddieBB | wols_: done. still not working. |
| 09:17.19 | wols_ | did iceweasel update? |
| 09:17.28 | eddieBB | yes |
| 09:18.08 | wols_ | eddieBB: run /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 09:18.13 | wols_ | full path. |
| 09:18.24 | wols_ | to check if it's the actual debian iceweasel it tries to run |
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| 09:20.10 | eddieBB | wols_: i get the same message. someone told me they think FireFox is interfering with IceWeasel. i've tried deleting FireFox but i don't think it's gone. |
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| 09:20.36 | wols_ | there is no firefox in debian |
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| 09:20.48 | wols_ | where did you get this firefox? |
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| 09:21.30 | eddieBB | wols_: for instance, when i try opening iceweasel in terminal instead of xterm. i get this. (firefox-bin:20225): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 09:22.41 | wols_ | that is normal. |
| 09:22.49 | wols_ | you must be in X to run iceweasel |
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| 09:23.08 | eddieBB | wols_: i see |
| 09:23.49 | eddieBB | wols_: so any idea what's going on? |
| 09:24.09 | wols_ | not really if you never ever used anything but etch packages and never installed a firefox from tarball |
| 09:24.17 | mordy__ | i'm having trouble with a fat32 partition. i can mount it successfully but it just hangs when i attemt to do anything with it or even list the files... - similar to this guy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290123 (except that i'm not getting that error in testdisk) |
| 09:24.33 | wols_ | possibly reinstall both iceweasel and libcairo2 |
| 09:24.45 | eddieBB | wols_: how do i do that? |
| 09:24.46 | mordy__ | (and i think the problem is a result of having recently converted it to fat32 from ntfs) |
| 09:24.51 | wols_ | mordy__: what kernel version exactly? |
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| 09:25.22 | wols_ | by giving apt-get the option --reinstall |
| 09:25.27 | mordy__ | wols: 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 09:26.13 | mordy__ | i tried this with windows as well, and i get a "root directory is full" when doing chkdsk |
| 09:26.35 | eddieBB | wols_: should i re-install libcairo2 first or it doesn't matter? |
| 09:26.39 | wols_ | then I guess this is the error, but why it would hang on linux I dunno |
| 09:26.46 | wols_ | eddieBB: doesn't matter. just reinstall both |
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| 09:28.50 | mordy__ | yes, i am just wondering what the next step should be. i've been thinking about removing the root directory (i.e. zeroing the first sector) - but wouldn't that mean removing the entire file structure? |
| 09:29.09 | eddieBB | wols_: am i supposed to type "apt-get libcairo2 --reinstall"? because that's giving me an invalid operation error |
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| 09:29.32 | mordy__ | or maybe i can be directed to a different room. this isn't really a linux-specific question |
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| 09:30.22 | gionn | eddieBB, apt-get install --reinstall libcairo2 |
| 09:30.53 | wols_ | mordy__: you can only remove files from that directory |
| 09:31.00 | disposable | how do i run grub-install on a computer with software raid 1? do i do grub-install /dev/sda && grub-install /dev/sdb or do i do some grub-install /dev/mdxxxx magic? |
| 09:31.10 | wols_ | in fat32, a root directory usually can hold 512 entries (files) max |
| 09:31.24 | wols_ | !tell eddieBB about apt howto |
| 09:31.27 | gileswork | morning all |
| 09:31.42 | gileswork | anyone here use kvm ? |
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| 09:31.51 | wols_ | !anyone use kvm |
| 09:31.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses kvm, not even the people who use it. |
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| 09:33.09 | eddieBB | wols_: still not working.. |
| 09:33.16 | Crypticfortune | yay! fixed my problem with statd (root of problem: forgot to set up lo interface >_<;; |
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| 09:34.03 | mordy__ | wols_ yes, and i'm thinking something else is the issue, unless somehow many files got placed inside that directory - or that the root directory doesn't exist or is somehow corrupted. i'm getting two conflicting error messages - fsck says the directory does *not exist* and chkdsk says it's *full* - considering that there aren't that many files there in the first place, i'll trust fsck |
| 09:34.55 | wols_ | I trust chkdsk since fsck doesn't deal with directories. what is your fsck line? |
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| 09:36.36 | mordy__ | wols_ i input fsck /dev/hda7 and the output is identical to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1696553&postcount=3 |
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| 09:36.51 | eddieBB | wols_: if i install FireFox via Wine. will i get the same speeds i would get from IceWeasel? |
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| 09:38.10 | Guerin | that's the stupidest thing ever |
| 09:38.18 | Guerin | goddamnit |
| 09:38.22 | Guerin | that has to go in qotd |
| 09:38.31 | pro-rsoft | Hi, what kernel version does debian etchnhalf include? |
| 09:38.45 | Guerin | pro-rsoft: not our problem, ask the author. |
| 09:38.45 | wols_ | pro-rsoft: 2.6.24 |
| 09:38.55 | pro-rsoft | ok, thanks wols_ |
| 09:39.02 | wols_ | Guerin: what author? linus? |
| 09:39.26 | Guerin | wols_: of the distro, because it ain't debian |
| 09:39.35 | Guerin | wols_: anyway, you're just showing off :) |
| 09:39.41 | wols_ | !tell Guerin about etchnhalf |
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| 09:40.30 | Guerin | hm, that's weird |
| 09:40.38 | Guerin | i take it all back |
| 09:41.21 | wols_ | eddieBB: not really. you could try epiphany, konqueror, etc |
| 09:41.29 | wols_ | but it's a strange problem |
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| 09:42.31 | mooper | I've configured the network so they get an IP via MAC off DHCP, ipables filters by IP, all access via server. I want to throttle bandwidth for mac addresses not written in a file. Any Ideas how I can go about that? |
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| 09:42.34 | pro-rsoft | I'm running intel x86_64, which version should I download? The i386 one? |
| 09:43.01 | wols_ | pro-rsoft: how much RAM? |
| 09:43.08 | pro-rsoft | 4GB |
| 09:43.13 | wols_ | use i386 |
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| 09:43.23 | wols_ | you won't be able to use all 4GB but 3.x |
| 09:43.31 | pro-rsoft | ok. Will that install a 32-bits edition? |
| 09:43.34 | wols_ | yes |
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| 09:43.43 | wols_ | i386 is 32bit, amd64 is 64bit |
| 09:43.53 | ChrisW | paste? |
| 09:43.55 | wols_ | you could run either but amd64 is not worth the hassle for you imho |
| 09:44.00 | wols_ | !paste |
| 09:44.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:44.14 | pro-rsoft | Ah. So the binaries I compile on it are 32-bits compatible. |
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| 09:44.24 | pro-rsoft | even though Im on 64-bits. |
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| 09:44.29 | wols_ | pro-rsoft: yes |
| 09:44.34 | ChrisW | I plugged in a new usb disk, what does the following from dmesg mean? http://paste.debian.net/14031/ |
| 09:44.36 | pro-rsoft | ah, ok. Thanks for your help :) |
| 09:44.41 | wols_ | your CPU can do 64bits but you are on 32bits |
| 09:44.48 | wols_ | just like when you say, run windows xp |
| 09:44.50 | pro-rsoft | ok |
| 09:44.54 | ChrisW | (in particular, what are sdb1 and sdb5?) |
| 09:45.12 | mooper | pro-rsoft: can you paste $uname -a |
| 09:45.16 | pro-rsoft | sure |
| 09:45.17 | wols_ | ChrisW: fdisk -l |
| 09:45.28 | ilm | guessing here: (logical) partitions on the disk |
| 09:45.32 | wols_ | pro-rsoft: dpkg --print-architecture makes more sense |
| 09:45.33 | pro-rsoft | Linux RD-LAPTOP 2.6.24-20-generic #1 SMP Mon Jul 28 13:06:07 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:45.52 | wols_ | pro-rsoft: you currently run 64bit. so if you upgrade you need 64bit as well |
| 09:46.11 | pro-rsoft | Hmm. dpkg --print-architecture gives amd64. That cant be, because I have intel ?!? |
| 09:46.27 | pro-rsoft | well I'm on ubuntu atm, I haven't installed debian yet |
| 09:46.39 | wols_ | i385 is an intel cpu but works on athlon xps too |
| 09:46.40 | wols_ | same thing |
| 09:46.43 | ChrisW | ilm: yeah, me too ;-) |
| 09:46.49 | wols_ | x86-64 is AMD64 in debian |
| 09:46.53 | pro-rsoft | ah. |
| 09:47.10 | pro-rsoft | So, I could also download the amd64 version of debian If i wanted support for the full 4GB ram? |
| 09:47.20 | pro-rsoft | Even though I'm on intel? |
| 09:47.25 | OpenTokix | pro-rsoft: you can also run the bigmem-kernel |
| 09:47.26 | ChrisW | interesting: http://paste.debian.net/14033/ how can partitions overlap? |
| 09:47.38 | mooper | pro-rsoft: Im not sure how stable it is |
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| 09:48.27 | mooper | pro-rsoft: sadly when you get away from the i386 kernel in pretty much any linux distribution stuff can get a bit ropey |
| 09:48.47 | mooper | binaries need recompiling, dependencies are broken |
| 09:48.56 | wols_ | debian works very well in 64bit without any problems |
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| 09:49.08 | ChrisW | yeah, I thought amd64 was pretty stable... |
| 09:49.10 | wols_ | the only problems are with proprietary software not in debian (flash, java plugin, etc) |
| 09:49.21 | wols_ | mooper: you are very mistaken |
| 09:49.38 | pflanze | Hello. Does anyone know where the info page for bash have gone? bash-doc doesn't contain them. |
| 09:49.39 | wols_ | ChrisW: so what did fdisk tell you? |
| 09:49.43 | pro-rsoft | ok. |
| 09:49.46 | mooper | wols_: that was my experience a year ago |
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| 09:49.56 | wols_ | pflanze: probably contrib or non-free due to the FDL |
| 09:50.01 | ChrisW | wols_: see pastebin |
| 09:50.04 | mooper | Im glad its fixed, Ill have another go |
| 09:50.15 | ChrisW | hence my question about partitions overlapping... I didn't think that was possible... |
| 09:50.26 | wols_ | ChrisW: there is no overlap |
| 09:50.35 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:50.38 | pflanze | wols_: but I do have both contrib and non-free in my lenny sources. |
| 09:50.48 | Guerin | oo, unicode |
| 09:50.51 | wols_ | Guerin: there can.... the consequences are rather unpleasant however |
| 09:50.52 | mooper | wols_: but I would argue that the proprietry bits are rather important |
| 09:51.03 | ChrisW | wols_: sda2 and sda5 have the same start and end? |
| 09:51.08 | Guerin | wols_: not with a valid partition table |
| 09:51.12 | wols_ | mooper: only for desktops. which is why we tell people not to use amd64 usually if they ask |
| 09:51.23 | wols_ | Guerin: as I said: unpleasant consequences :) |
| 09:51.25 | ChrisW | same with sdb1 and sdb5 |
| 09:51.28 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:51.46 | wols_ | ChrisW: there is no overlap in your paste. extended partitions contain the logical partitions. that is normal |
| 09:51.51 | OpenTokix | im using 686-bigmem for my desktop and amd64 for my server |
| 09:51.54 | rmcg | i have this XFS disk that is to be used as as scratch disk by several users. all users should be able to delete files other users have created on this disk. how can achieve this? i don't want to set users umasks to 0000 otherwise it'll effect things they do outside of /mnt/scratch |
| 09:52.10 | brubelsabs | is there a command line tool to track memory usage of a process like I could track time-usage with the "time" cmd? |
| 09:52.24 | OpenTokix | rmcg: remount it with nfs |
| 09:52.27 | wols_ | brubelsabs: #ubuntu |
| 09:52.34 | OpenTokix | rmcg: with nobody,nobody and then all_squash |
| 09:52.34 | ChrisW | wols_: cool, although that's not at all clear from the output of fdisk so thanks for clearing it up ;-) |
| 09:52.36 | wols_ | brubelsabs: we don't support ubuntu |
| 09:52.47 | rmcg | OpenTokix: there's no better way? :\ |
| 09:52.52 | OpenTokix | rmcg: all files will be created and owned by nobody |
| 09:52.53 | brubelsabs | wols_: this question isn't ubuntu related? |
| 09:52.57 | ChrisW | so, for that 1TB usb disk, is ext3 still the best option? and if so, what's the best way to get it formatted as one such partition? |
| 09:53.05 | OpenTokix | rmcg: what wrong with that? |
| 09:53.07 | wols_ | !tell brubelsabs about ubuntu |
| 09:53.15 | wols_ | brubelsabs: either you run debian, or no support here. end of it |
| 09:53.20 | rmcg | OpenTokix: then i have all the problems of NFS, along with the overhead |
| 09:53.37 | OpenTokix | rmcg: use samba then, export as writable guest-filesystme |
| 09:53.39 | wols_ | ChrisW: mkfs :P |
| 09:53.49 | OpenTokix | rmcg: or you can use +s on group |
| 09:53.50 | rmcg | OpenTokix: then i have all the problems of NFS^H^H^Hsamba, along with the overhead |
| 09:53.55 | OpenTokix | rmcg: =) |
| 09:54.02 | rmcg | +s, hmm |
| 09:54.12 | OpenTokix | rmcg: good point, I am going to lunch - but it's and intresting problem - I will think about it |
| 09:54.16 | brubelsabs | wols_: I do run Debian, but I also run Ubuntu, but why the hell!!, THIS QUESTION ISN'T UBUNTU BASED! |
| 09:54.26 | ChrisW | mkfs.ext3 -c sdb ? |
| 09:54.31 | Dewi | ChrisW: to a blank part table add 1 primary partition, 'w' to exit fdisk, then mkfs.ext3 /dev/whatever1 |
| 09:54.32 | ChrisW | adn is ext3 still good for 1tb disks? |
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| 09:54.59 | Dewi | ChrisW: I think so. What are you thinking, xfs ? |
| 09:55.24 | ChrisW | just curious, was waiting for someone going "no no no, don't use ext3, use <this>" ;-) |
| 09:55.27 | wols_ | brubelsabs: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 09:55.47 | Dewi | ChrisW: ext3 is a good default, and has lots of tool support |
| 09:55.49 | themill | brubelsabs: did you ask google first? "linux memory profile" produces a good first hit |
| 09:55.55 | ChrisW | what do I use to edit the paritition table? cfdisk? |
| 09:56.14 | Dewi | ChrisW: people obviously have other preferences, but for general use ext3 should be fine |
| 09:56.26 | Dewi | ChrisW: whatever fdisk you like, or gparted |
| 09:56.55 | wols_ | ChrisW: yes |
| 09:57.41 | brubelsabs | themill: I thought there could be a smaller tool, like the "time" cmd, Yes I did try google first, but don't got satisfactorily results |
| 09:58.06 | brubelsabs | wols_: and what's the point about libc6 here? |
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| 09:58.45 | wols_ | brubelsabs: it would show if you actually ran debian |
| 09:58.48 | wols_ | which I doubt |
| 09:58.56 | brubelsabs | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:59.29 | themill | brubelsabs: perhaps have a look at valgrind |
| 09:59.46 | ChrisW | wols_: why the ubuntu hate? |
| 09:59.47 | enouf | mordy__: i thought i recognized that PARAGON crap in your Boot Sector you pasted ( http://rafb.net/p/Nf93wv26.html ) http://www.filebuzz.com/fileinfo/40109/Paragon_NTFS_for_Mac_OS_X.html |
| 09:59.58 | brubelsabs | themill: I think I won't get around this big tool, thanks anyway. |
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| 10:00.53 | themill | ChrisW: it becomes really tedious for us to spend lots of time trying to solve a problem to find out that it's an ubuntu box anyway and that the problem doesn't even exist in debian. IMNSHO ubuntu has lower quality control on its packages and then we in #debian have to pay the support price for that. |
| 10:01.03 | brubelsabs | ChrisW: I asked the same question in ubuntu first and got not usefull answers... and wols_ answered me too.. |
| 10:01.09 | rleks | I installed debian testing with the netinst disc, and my booting up seems to hang at 'waiting for /dev to be fully populated' for like two minutes...what is the issue here? |
| 10:01.47 | wols_ | in a shared memory environment there is no sensible tool |
| 10:02.11 | themill | ChrisW: "#ubuntu didn't know so I thought I'd ask here" is just plain rude. If you wanted help from #debian, then install debian. (do you ask ubuntu questions in ##windows?) |
| 10:02.33 | brubelsabs | wols_: but I don't need a sensible tool I need to care about scalability and need a apropiate approximation |
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| 10:02.44 | rleks | Can anyone help?? |
| 10:02.46 | wols_ | for that, top is fine |
| 10:03.02 | themill | brubelsabs: what specifically are you wanting to profile? |
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| 10:04.03 | berzerka | i just noticed for the first time an "update manager" application, under gnome, which tells me how many package upgrades are available. where is this started from, and how can i disable it? |
| 10:04.05 | brubelsabs | themill: the overall memory consumption of a process like "top" shows, but when the process finishes I can't see the memory consumption anymore, hence I thought there could be a tool like the "time"-cmd tracking the memory usage |
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| 10:04.11 | rleks | why would I be hanging for minutes on end at 'waiting for /dev to be fully populated' ? |
| 10:04.15 | enouf | mordy__: i have something simple you can try |
| 10:04.41 | brubelsabs | wols_: no, when process finishes I couldn't see the mem consumption anymore |
| 10:04.43 | themill | brubelsabs: yes, but what specific application are you wanting to profile? Is it short-lived? long-lived? daemon? |
| 10:04.49 | wols_ | brubelsabs: you never can :) |
| 10:05.08 | wols_ | if a process has ended, the memory is freed again. and that's it |
| 10:05.13 | rleks | Is there a way I can find out what the problem is?.... |
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| 10:05.44 | brubelsabs | wols_: do want to understand me or not? |
| 10:05.57 | brubelsabs | themill: it depends on the input... some minutes some seconds... |
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| 10:06.11 | berzerka | man, if i click preferences, nothing happens, if i doubleclick the icon, the app opens twice.. how come that such an annoying gui app is enabled, i.e. where can i disable it? |
| 10:06.28 | brubelsabs | wols_: did you ever used time to track the used system time of a process? |
| 10:06.32 | enouf | mordy__: remember i mentioned the disrepency between hda5 and hda6 and that missing cylinder? ,.. oh, nevermind :-P (just realized it won;t be as safe and easy as i thought) |
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| 10:06.50 | ktwilight | am trying to create a custom debian cd following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD but when i execute the command apt-ftparchive generate config, i have the following error http://rafb.net/p/hgQBEH51.html of course the file isn't there, nor does the guide tell me if i should create it or how. so what am i missing? |
| 10:06.53 | pflanze | brubelsabs: it's not the same thing; cpu time spent is easily constrained to a process, but memory usage isn't |
| 10:06.54 | brubelsabs | wols_: time dpkg -l |
| 10:07.39 | brubelsabs | pflanze: that I know that this is not linear but two dimensional |
| 10:07.41 | themill | brubelsabs: peak memory usage is a very different question to time taken. Time taken is trivial to measure -- the time command is basically just a stopwatch |
| 10:08.03 | rleks | Someone please help? I'm stuck here. |
| 10:08.22 | wols_ | themill: one could cobble something together with rrdtool |
| 10:08.27 | themill | brubelsabs: so write a script that polls the memory usage of the process every second (or 10s or whatever time base is appropriate) and then look for the peak (also scriptable). |
| 10:08.31 | themill | wols_: yep |
| 10:08.35 | brubelsabs | themill: And I thought there could be a tool for peak mem usage... hence I'll have a look on valgrind seems promising... |
| 10:08.48 | wols_ | and possibly system monitors could already do it. cacti, big brother or whatever |
| 10:09.03 | pflanze | brubelsabs: there is a better top which can capture short-lived processes, not sure whether it is in ubuntu. |
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| 10:09.19 | themill | brubelsabs: but it's a non-trivial thing to do, so it's going to be a non-trivial program to do it. |
| 10:09.43 | berzerka | alright, its synaptic. i use apt-get. how can i disable synaptic? |
| 10:10.22 | enouf | ktwilight: all i can say is the installer has changed a LOT since sarge era - you should shoot an email to the d-i team maybe and ask, |
| 10:10.35 | brubelsabs | themill: it has to start the program too get's its PID and then query "top",/proc,foobar every 10s to get the memusage.. I though this is so simple that it has already be done by someone |
| 10:10.45 | ktwilight | enouf, oh great... |
| 10:10.57 | themill | brubelsabs: no it doesn't. |
| 10:10.59 | ktwilight | let's see if dpkg knows |
| 10:11.07 | brubelsabs | themill: thanks now I know :D |
| 10:11.29 | brubelsabs | ktwilight: dpkg ? or did you mean apt? |
| 10:11.45 | rleks | Well if no one can help me, and google isn't helping, I guess I'll have to downgrade to debian stable.. |
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| 10:12.06 | themill | brubelsabs: you wouldn't query top in any case. You would use ps or look at /proc directly. (and be aware of how many naïve assumptions you are making in the analysis, as pointed out by others) |
| 10:12.18 | ktwilight | brubelsabs, i meant the bot ;) |
| 10:12.54 | enouf | ktwilight: let me see your config file - paste bin |
| 10:12.55 | pflanze | rleks: how does it hang, can you hit ctl-c? |
| 10:12.58 | brubelsabs | what about this in the time command: M Maximum resident set size of the process during its lifetime, in Kilobytes |
| 10:13.06 | pflanze | rleks: can you switch virtual terminals? |
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| 10:13.11 | rleks | pflanze: It just sticks there |
| 10:13.16 | rleks | I can ctrl c, but not switch |
| 10:13.25 | pflanze | what does ctl-c do? |
| 10:13.30 | rleks | skips |
| 10:14.02 | pflanze | well the kernel isn't really hanging then; not sure what it could be; |
| 10:14.06 | rleks | But I'd rather find out the problem, since this server has to run well :P |
| 10:14.09 | brubelsabs | thanks, despite the initial misunderstandings |
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| 10:14.47 | rleks | stables software isn't that old, I guess I can try it and see if it still does it |
| 10:14.53 | pflanze | rleks: you could boot with init=/bin/bash and try to start up the individual sysv services manually, but that gets you a bit wet. |
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| 10:15.28 | rleks | Is there a way I can try to initialize my parts to see which one is hanging? |
| 10:15.33 | pflanze | rleks: there's also etch-and-a-half (or so it is called), and backports |
| 10:16.02 | pflanze | rleks: if you boot with bash as init, you just go through the services one after another |
| 10:16.29 | ktwilight | enouf, am guessin' i screwed up in BinDirectory http://rafb.net/p/O3oorv99.html |
| 10:16.30 | pflanze | actually you can maybe already find out by looking at the output before the hang |
| 10:16.31 | rom1v | hi |
| 10:16.35 | rom1v | I have a ssh redirection problem |
| 10:16.41 | rom1v | On a computer A, I am able to "wget 11.22.33.44", it downloads the index.html file. |
| 10:16.42 | rleks | pflanze: etchinahalf? |
| 10:16.45 | rom1v | From this computer, I "ssh B -CNR3333:11.22.33.44:80" |
| 10:16.50 | rom1v | So from B, I should be able to connect to localhost:3333 and get the index.html, but it doesn't work, I have : http://pastebin.com/d9754aba |
| 10:16.54 | rleks | whats the difference |
| 10:16.55 | rom1v | I am connected (Connection to ...|...|:80... Connected), but "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received" |
| 10:16.59 | rom1v | What's the problem? |
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| 10:17.25 | pflanze | rleks: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF8&q=etch+and+a+half |
| 10:17.36 | rleks | yea I knew that was coming :P, thanks tho |
| 10:18.00 | rleks | I have an old T40, so I think etch would do |
| 10:18.03 | rleks | I dont need new drivers |
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| 10:18.27 | pflanze | then backports may be the only thing required |
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| 10:18.55 | pflanze | although if you manage to solve the problem, I'm sure others will be thankful if you report it. |
| 10:19.04 | berzerka | how can i list the Rdepends of a package? |
| 10:19.05 | rleks | It's been reported |
| 10:19.12 | rleks | not answered or fixed though |
| 10:19.23 | rom1v | nobody can help me? |
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| 10:21.02 | zxxd | any idea why mdadm --manage -a /dev/sda1 /dev/md0 , dosen't add the drive to the array |
| 10:21.04 | Quentusrex-lapto | What channel might have information about image recognition? and image analysis? |
| 10:21.10 | zxxd | md0 : active raid1 sdb1[0] |
| 10:21.10 | zxxd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:22.50 | Q^- | for what are used the aux lines on cisco routers ? |
| 10:23.00 | pflanze | Quentusrex-lapto: you know you can query the irc server for the list of channels? Also, it may be easier to google first until you find a community; usually channels are set up by projects. |
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| 10:23.26 | Q^- | vty line = telnet login , tty = modem lines , aux lines ? |
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| 10:23.50 | Quentusrex-lapto | pflanze, I'm asking if anyone is aware of any communities. I know of one channel, but I am looking to join and learn from more communities based on the subject. |
| 10:24.07 | pflanze | ask on that channel for others? |
| 10:24.21 | Quentusrex-lapto | I have, and I'm asking in general linux channels as well |
| 10:24.25 | themill | Quentusrex-lapto: there were a couple of threads on the debian-science mailing list a couple of months ago about such tools. Perhaps look at the archives on lists.debian.org |
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| 10:25.30 | Quentusrex-lapto | thanks themill, do you happen to remember a keyword from the threads? |
| 10:26.00 | pflanze | Quentusrex-lapto: and you know about usenet news (nntp)? Those do have such generic lists. |
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| 10:26.25 | enouf | ktwilight: er .. that dir isn't loading here atm .. it's timing out |
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| 10:27.11 | themill | Quentusrex-lapto: google for site:lists.debian.org/debian-science image matching |
| 10:27.22 | ktwilight | enouf, loads fine for me, refresh it |
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| 10:27.29 | themill | Quentusrex-lapto: (google searching is much easier and better than lists.debian.org's own search tools...) |
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| 10:28.03 | enouf | ktwilight: oops, just the http.us.debian.org one wasn;t - i got a german one to load |
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| 10:28.36 | enouf | ktwilight: which mirror are yuou using? |
| 10:28.46 | ktwilight | ftp.nl.debian.org |
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| 10:31.20 | pflanze | Can anyone tell me in which package the info pages for bash reside? |
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| 10:32.48 | gina | hello guys, im planning to install debian linux on my macbook |
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| 10:33.03 | gina | do you think its a good idea? |
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| 10:33.58 | rznk | Hey all. fglrx is giving me grief. Installed fine a few days ago, but running fglrxinfo (and enemy territory) brings back segfaults as a regular user. Root however, everything is normal. Now, I assumed this is a permissions issue, but all is fine it seems dri in xorf, and card0. Any clues? |
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| 10:34.39 | pflanze | gina: intel or powerpc? |
| 10:34.53 | stew | gina: yes, we think debian is a good idea |
| 10:34.59 | ktwilight | ok, damnit. i think i'm approaching it wrongly |
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| 10:35.02 | stew | pflanze: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:35.12 | gina | intel sorry im slow to check this technical stuff |
| 10:35.42 | gina | no viruses at all on linux? just as mac? :) |
| 10:35.45 | gina | i want to try it |
| 10:35.46 | pflanze | gina: shouldn't be a problem, although I've only owned a powerpc powerbook w/ Debian. |
| 10:36.01 | gina | ok |
| 10:36.17 | pflanze | gina: probably less viruses than on Mac OS. |
| 10:36.17 | gina | now what should i do? :) |
| 10:36.19 | enouf | ktwilight: the dirs for config are empty |
| 10:36.31 | enouf | ktwilight: main is not |
| 10:36.32 | gina | i dont want to uninstall leopard :( |
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| 10:37.20 | pflanze | gina: I think the installation manual on debian.org should explain that (although I haven't consulted it for a long time) |
| 10:37.21 | peppe | gina: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 10:37.24 | enouf | ktwilight: go here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/debian-installer/ click on binary-i386, see the 2 Packages.gz files? |
| 10:37.37 | rznk | Hmm... Going to try something here and reboot. Seems whenever I ask a question here I figure it out 5 minutes later... after googling for an age. |
| 10:37.48 | gina | I'm not using all my hard drive space. I'm using 80gb from 160gb. So I want to install linux on 40gb space. Is that good? |
| 10:37.56 | enouf | ktwilight: now, back up a few dirs and go into the /etch/contrib one .. they're empty |
| 10:37.57 | ktwilight | enouf, .... |
| 10:38.06 | jmd | What does the "+b1" suffix in package names mean ? |
| 10:38.33 | ktwilight | enouf, i see two Packages.gz files http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/ |
| 10:38.33 | stew | gina: that's about 100 times the minimum size necessary for debian |
| 10:38.34 | enouf | ktwilight: in main --> Filename Time Size Packages.bz2 02:50 27-07-08 42308 Packages.gz 02:50 27-07-08 52637 |
| 10:38.44 | gina | :) ok good |
| 10:38.49 | enouf | ktwilight: that's MAIN! |
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| 10:39.07 | ktwilight | enouf, ? what the heck am i supposed to be looing at? |
| 10:39.12 | ktwilight | s/looing/looking |
| 10:39.15 | enouf | ktwilight: look in contrib, that's tjhe one that's borking on you = main was never an issue |
| 10:39.25 | enouf | ktwilight: blank space |
| 10:39.27 | ktwilight | ah... |
| 10:39.29 | ktwilight | wait i see it |
| 10:39.47 | themill | jmd: possibly a binary nmu, possibly from a buildd rebuilding the package, possibly just the package revision, it varies. What package in particular? |
| 10:39.58 | gina | Oh my god, seems its hard to install debian linux. |
| 10:40.00 | ktwilight | enouf, ogay, so contrib/debian-installer/binary-amd64 is empty |
| 10:40.13 | gina | Does someone live in San Diego? lol jk |
| 10:40.16 | ktwilight | ok, i think i know how this shiet works |
| 10:40.26 | enouf | correct |
| 10:40.28 | jmd | themill, The one which caught my eye was pspp, but I've seen lot's of others gcc for example. |
| 10:40.36 | ktwilight | enouf, but even ftp.us.debian.org dont' have it either |
| 10:40.48 | enouf | i know |
| 10:40.54 | ktwilight | so... |
| 10:41.00 | ktwilight | how the heck did they build hte netinst iso?! |
| 10:41.02 | enouf | now, email the team (or something) - i know no more |
| 10:41.02 | gina | Actually I want to install linux because I want to use compiz, its cute. |
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| 10:41.43 | themill | jmd: probably a buildd then |
| 10:41.49 | gina | I know I have to download linux after than copy to a disk. after that Im worry about the installation. |
| 10:42.09 | jmd | themill, How can I find out? |
| 10:42.15 | peppe | gina: if you're so worried about the installation, try ubuntu |
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| 10:42.26 | rznk | mmm OK, removing a call like for fglrx in /etc/profile did the trick. Strange. |
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| 10:42.28 | themill | jmd: look at the changelog |
| 10:42.35 | jmd | (and what is a "buildd" anyway?) |
| 10:43.00 | gina | ok thank youuuuuu |
| 10:43.01 | gina | bye bye |
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| 10:43.06 | enouf | gina: |
| 10:43.29 | enouf | gina: nm |
| 10:43.42 | gina | yes? |
| 10:43.53 | enouf | gina: no, i was going to suggest |
| 10:44.19 | gina | do it |
| 10:44.19 | themill | dpkg: tell jmd about buildd |
| 10:44.22 | enouf | gina: no, i was going to suggest http://goodbye-windows.com maybe, but you're more worried about compiz installation than installer |
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| 10:44.55 | gina | heeeeee im not windows girl! im mac girl! |
| 10:45.02 | gina | i now nothing about windows lol |
| 10:45.12 | gina | know* |
| 10:45.12 | enouf | gina: though really, ubuntu for you is likely a good choice, if you want |
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| 10:45.23 | enouf | i see |
| 10:45.38 | Nathariel | gina: mac girl changing to debian/ubuntu ? |
| 10:45.41 | Nathariel | hard to believe ;) |
| 10:45.50 | Crypticfortune | compiz isn't that much prettier than mac os x aqua... |
| 10:45.57 | enouf | she's grown up out of her iMac ;-) |
| 10:46.12 | gina | ubuntu is also linux, my friend told me about debian so i found this debian room on colloquy |
| 10:46.21 | gina | ubuntu is also linux? |
| 10:46.24 | gina | can i use compiz? |
| 10:46.25 | Nathariel | agreed, if u like vizualization - mac os is deff your choice ;) |
| 10:46.31 | Nathariel | gina: aye |
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| 10:46.39 | enouf | !tell gina -about ubuntu |
| 10:46.55 | enouf | and yes, gina , it is an offshoot - a bastard child :-p |
| 10:47.00 | gina | im not changing to debian, i will never uninstall my leopard, i just want to try compiz |
| 10:47.03 | Crypticfortune | gina: ubuntu's derived from debian (both of which are linux) so they7re very similar. ubuntu's generally considered easier for beginners |
| 10:47.32 | gina | I see. |
| 10:47.50 | gina | Seems Ubuntu is the way to go. |
| 10:48.05 | pflanze | gina: if you've got a friend who uses Debian, why not ask him to help you? |
| 10:48.13 | pflanze | him or her |
| 10:48.29 | Crypticfortune | yeah definitely. if you're going to rely on a friend to help, use what they use (and they'll be much happier ;) |
| 10:48.32 | gina | Him |
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| 10:48.38 | gina | and he is my ex i dont talk to him anymore |
| 10:48.43 | gina | thats why |
| 10:48.52 | pflanze | ah :) |
| 10:48.52 | gina | he send me a youtube video that i like about compiz |
| 10:48.54 | enouf | gina: FWIW, there's also linuxmint, which is very ubuntu, but adds even more fluff, afaik |
| 10:49.01 | Crypticfortune | heh, then you could use freebsd just to piss him off ;) |
| 10:49.06 | amphi | enouf: heh |
| 10:49.07 | bdeferme | lol |
| 10:49.24 | ilm | hi (again), is there a debian release that install kde 4.1 out-of-the-box ? |
| 10:49.35 | enouf | gina: you might have a hard time finding mint users though - and we here certainly won't support it, not sure about ubuntu, but i doubt it |
| 10:49.57 | enouf | gina: so, my point is, when choosing a distro, as a newcomer, pick one you can find support with/for |
| 10:50.11 | themill | ilm: no |
| 10:50.16 | stew | ilm: there is not a debian release containing kde 4.1 |
| 10:50.36 | ilm | k, thanks |
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| 10:50.51 | gina | Thanks guys, I will do my best. Does any one have msn messenger just for quick question, I will appreciate. |
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| 10:51.12 | gina | Im going to sleep now, good night. |
| 10:51.39 | ilm | nite |
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| 10:54.40 | pflanze | stew, wols_: I'm still out of luck finding the bash info pages; #bash users tell me they exist, but there don't even show up any "info" files with |
| 10:54.42 | pflanze | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bash&mode=filename&suite=testing&arch=any |
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| 10:55.45 | pflanze | So my question is still open: can anyone tell me where those pages can be found, or rather, confirm that they *do* have them at all? |
| 10:56.00 | pflanze | Since otherwise it's time to file a bug I guess. |
| 10:57.03 | pflanze | ah (sorry, should have assumed it's a bug earlier, and checked the bug repo), they don't exist as it seems. |
| 10:57.13 | pflanze | ( http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=427804 ) |
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| 10:57.39 | badcfe | how do i tee to a command? |
| 10:57.40 | xor | How do we list the pakages installed? |
| 10:57.50 | xor | Without using aptitude. |
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| 10:57.57 | peppe | xor: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 10:58.18 | berzerka | who can tell me how to disable "update-notifier" under gnome. i want to just remove the package, but don't know what depends on it. who can tell me how to check the reverse depends of a package? |
| 10:58.27 | jmd | badcfe, tee command | other-command |
| 10:58.28 | peppe | badcfe: "tee to a command"? |
| 10:58.47 | pflanze | badcfe: that's a bash question; tee >(command) | .. |
| 10:58.57 | xor | Thanks. |
| 10:59.17 | stew | pflanze: i'd guess that the bashref info page was removed from debian becuase it is non-free |
| 10:59.21 | xor | Does aptitude still have problems with UTF-8? |
| 10:59.40 | pflanze | stew: yes, see the bug report I referenced. |
| 11:00.01 | Crypticfortune | pflanze: wow, never seen that >(command) notation...time read the bash manual again... |
| 11:00.12 | Trewas | heh, wonderful reason to remove bash info docs, it contains three lines of text which cannot be modified |
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| 11:00.49 | berzerka | alright, for the logs: apt-cache showpkg give me reverse depends. |
| 11:00.57 | pflanze | stew, Trewas : *check the bug report*, and maintainer seems to work on it anyway |
| 11:01.10 | enouf | berzerka: i don't use gnome, but rdepends are not depends |
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| 11:01.58 | Trewas | pflanze: I am quite aware of debian's gfdl braindamage |
| 11:02.06 | berzerka | enouf: i know, apt-cache showpkg update-notifier gives me "gnome,update-notifier", that means gnome depends on update-notifier, which tells me i can't simply remove the package. |
| 11:02.19 | enouf | berzerka: note the difference between apt-cache rdepends hdparm and apt-cache depends hdparm |
| 11:02.27 | stew | pflanze: i don't see the maintainer doing anything other than lowering the severity of the bug |
| 11:02.38 | pflanze | Trewas: *I do not know what the reason really was, check the bug report* and tell your opinion there if need be. |
| 11:02.59 | pflanze | stew: I thought it increased it? Anyway, I don't care. |
| 11:03.05 | stew | pflanze: oh on, the maintainer didn't do that either |
| 11:03.13 | berzerka | enouf: i am fully aware of the difference, i wanted to know wether i can remove that package without breaking others. (or am i _still_ missing something? nah..) |
| 11:03.26 | mooper | how do I read smard HD info? |
| 11:03.32 | mooper | smart |
| 11:03.38 | enouf | berzerka: you just phrased it wrong i guess |
| 11:03.39 | Trewas | pflanze: debian had a vote about that, nothing I say will change anything... except that the maintainer could make a package to non-free, but I guess many maintainers are not thrilled to do that completely unnecessary work |
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| 11:03.45 | peppe | mooper: smartmontools |
| 11:03.46 | berzerka | mooper: smartmontools |
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| 11:04.13 | enouf | berzerka: i'm just making a distinction between depends and rdepends (reverse depends) |
| 11:04.32 | berzerka | enouf: yup. i asked for rdepends. apt-cache showpkg shows both. |
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| 11:04.55 | berzerka | well anyways, this brings me back to my original question: how to disable update-notifier under gnome? |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'etc/nologin' returned no results. |
| 11:05.11 | enouf | oh, that it does |
| 11:05.31 | tarzeau | pflanze: you still don't use zsh? :) |
| 11:06.03 | pflanze | tarzeau: I don't use other broken shell languages if bash is the standard. |
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| 11:06.37 | stew | what about other, non-broken shell languages? |
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| 11:07.30 | linuxguy | Hi There.......I was wondering if its possible to update the GTK file.......im using debian r4.04 etch |
| 11:07.41 | stew | linuxguy: which file? |
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| 11:08.26 | pflanze | I don't care about shell languges. That's the point. |
| 11:08.35 | pflanze | If I need to use one, then I stick to the standard. |
| 11:08.50 | jelly-home | posix /bin/sh! |
| 11:08.55 | mordy__ | enouf - no luck with gpart, btw |
| 11:09.07 | linuxguy | Im unsure......but I tried to install swiftfox the other day and it said that setup could not contiue because the GTK 2.8 something needs to be upgraded to at least ver 2.?.10+ |
| 11:09.15 | enouf | pflanze: i suppose the info pages for bash have much more stuff not found in man bash, or man bash-builtin? I'm curious now, to know what i've been missing |
| 11:09.39 | pflanze | enouf: dunno, I've only realized today that I was missing the info pages. |
| 11:09.42 | enouf | mordy__: yeah - i think your conversion from NTFS -> FAT32 went tits up |
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| 11:10.03 | enouf | sorry, bash-builtins <-- plural |
| 11:10.06 | stew | linuxguy: there would be no easy way of getting a newer major release of gtk into debian stable |
| 11:10.08 | enouf | ok |
| 11:10.11 | pflanze | enouf: the pages are also on the web, probably linked from http://tiswww.case.edu/php/chet/bash/bashtop.html |
| 11:10.12 | jelly-home | enouf: FSF people put most of their docs as (and into) info |
| 11:10.25 | xor | If I list all programs with dpkg -l I get a huge list. |
| 11:10.39 | xor | Aren't there a few programs in there that belong to the "system" as it were. |
| 11:10.57 | linuxguy | stew, ........its a pity really because i prefer swiftfox to iceweasel |
| 11:11.01 | enouf | jelly-home: sure .. i know that, but some info pages are either a) more detailed, or b) contain other info not found in their man equivalents |
| 11:11.04 | stew | xor: yes, there are packages which are marked as "Essential" and some marked as "Required" |
| 11:11.04 | mordy__ | enouf - maybe the grub reinstall messed things up. but the disk isn't destroyed. i'm trying to figure out exactly what the "root directory" of the partition means |
| 11:11.05 | xor | I want to remove everything I have no need for, but I find myself thinking whether a particular program is going to be needed by something else. |
| 11:11.36 | enouf | pflanze: thanks, ok |
| 11:12.02 | mordy__ | i wonder if dd can do me any good :( |
| 11:12.07 | stew | xor: "aptitude remove package1 package2 package3"... it will warn you of what other package would have to be removed. it will also warn you if you are about to remove a required or essential package |
| 11:12.19 | jelly-home | enouf: no, man pages are not equivalents at all. |
| 11:12.28 | stew | xor: or you might try 'debfoster' which is an interactive program that tries to find packages which you can remove |
| 11:12.30 | enouf | jelly-home: no kidding |
| 11:12.51 | xor | Can I do that using dpkg? |
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| 11:12.58 | xor | Without using aptitude. |
| 11:12.58 | enouf | equivalently named |
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| 11:13.36 | mordy__ | enouf - but gpart's man page says from the onset that is has 'trouble' with extended partitions |
| 11:13.55 | enouf | xor: if you're trying to remove general cruft, also see localepurge |
| 11:14.16 | xor | There are so many commands. =| |
| 11:14.19 | enouf | mordy__: yep .. |
| 11:14.39 | enouf | xor: it's a packagename, and yes, there are many ;-) |
| 11:14.50 | enouf | not to mention commands ;-) |
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| 11:15.57 | RasmusKiller | does anybody know why i can't find the package "wlassistant" on my debian lenny? |
| 11:15.57 | stew | xor: no, you can't do it with just dpkg, you can use debfoster without using aptitude, as it uses apt-get instead of aptitude for removing packages (though I wonder why you would not want to use aptitude) |
| 11:16.01 | mordy__ | how long is a gpart scan supposed to take, with a 40G partition @4200RPM? |
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| 11:16.27 | xor | Aptitude looks weird, seems to be having some problems with UTF-8. |
| 11:16.37 | stew | RasmusKiller: http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wlassistant/news/20071027T223928Z.html |
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| 11:16.52 | xor | How about dselect? |
| 11:17.07 | RasmusKiller | ok, ty =) |
| 11:17.21 | maligor | mordy__, probably entirely depends on disk read speed |
| 11:17.36 | maligor | testdisk can do the same thing too |
| 11:17.47 | stew | xor: what do you mean by "looks wierd"? |
| 11:17.50 | mordy__ | maligor - testdisk takes shorter and reports no errors |
| 11:18.15 | xor | Those lines that should be around "Loading Cache" aren't there, there are a bunch of letters instead. |
| 11:18.32 | stew | xor: you mean you don't like the look of the frontend? you don't have to use the frontend, if you give it an operation on the command line, like "aptitude remove packagename" it wouldn't start the frontend |
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| 11:18.39 | xor | I already looked it up, and some forum poster said it was just the way Aptitude used UTF-8. |
| 11:18.45 | RasmusKiller | stew is it possible to install de previous version... or the package of the stable? |
| 11:18.48 | mordy__ | i'm having a feeling that the solution to my problem is quite simple, but i just don't know what to do. @ enouf - i deleted my swap partition - but nothing gives |
| 11:19.02 | RasmusKiller | can this create problems to my system? |
| 11:19.09 | jelly-home | xor: that's not an UTF, but rather a terminal emulator issue |
| 11:19.15 | mordy__ | i'm wondering if i can just retrieve the data from the drive with DD |
| 11:19.42 | xor | With putty, yes, but the problem, so I read, is not with putty, but with Aptitude. |
| 11:19.55 | jelly-home | xor: LIES! :-) |
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| 11:20.01 | xor | Anyway, using aptitude on te command line seems ok I guess. |
| 11:20.19 | stew | xor: the problem is with putty and line drawing characters, not with aptitude and utf8 |
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| 11:20.47 | stew | RasmusKiller: in general, that usually works. I don't know anything about this package in particular |
| 11:21.03 | jelly-home | xor: set your locale to something UTF-8 capable, and adjust putty character translation settings accordingly; it works for me when I'm in windows |
| 11:21.03 | RasmusKiller | ok, stew , i'll try ;-) thx again |
| 11:21.18 | xor | I did that jelly-home. |
| 11:21.35 | xor | I'll see if I can find the post again. |
| 11:21.55 | jelly-home | xor: do other line-drawing happy apps work? |
| 11:22.38 | jelly-home | xor: links/elinks, mc come to mind; also, are you running aptitude ui inside screen? |
| 11:22.39 | xor | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=307583 |
| 11:22.50 | xor | Actually only part of aptitude is drawing weirdly. |
| 11:22.59 | xor | There are parts of aptitude with lines that draw just fine. |
| 11:23.31 | xor | I'm not using scree. (yet) |
| 11:23.35 | xor | screen* |
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| 11:24.03 | stew | xor: that bug is marked as fixed in etch |
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| 11:24.41 | enouf | yeah msgs 68 and 73 even |
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| 11:25.15 | themill | xor: aptitude is happy in UTF-8, it's normally your local font or the encoding on the terminal that is the problem. /msg dpkg putty linedraw |
| 11:25.30 | berzerka | alright, for the logs: the "update-notifier" is started by the gnome "session" thingy. you can go to System -> Preferences -> Sessions, Additional Startup Applications, and set a checkbox for "update notifier". and i was searching through docs and the filesystem. should definitely get back to openbox or something^^ |
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| 11:30.27 | Crypticfortune | so, my diskless lenny set up is going well. i think a lot of people in my lab might want to use this as a drop-in replacement for whatever OS they usually run. anyone know of some easy way to make some nss kind of rule that says "all members of group X shall be considered members of group Y?" (our groups are managed in ldap, but i don't want to have to maually update groups like plugdev every time we add a new user, so i just want to say al |
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| 11:32.05 | stew | Crypticfortune: edit the EXTRA_GROUPS line in /etc/adduser.conf to include the groups you want new users to autoatically added to |
| 11:32.46 | stew | (assuming you add users with adduser) |
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| 11:35.08 | Crypticfortune | stew: we usually use smbldap-useradd and i assume i could kludge something into that to add the extra groups by default, but still, if possible i'd like to avoid polluting the ldap database with extra data... |
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| 11:35.35 | nadar | when i try to d/l debian via bittorrent using these links: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-dvd/ i get the following msg: |
| 11:35.36 | nadar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/bt-dvd/debian-40r4a-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
| 11:35.37 | nadar | err |
| 11:35.40 | nadar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.41 | nadar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.41 | nadar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:35.50 | stew | !tell nadar about paste |
| 11:35.51 | Crypticfortune | !tell nadar about paste |
| 11:35.56 | nadar | with lenny it works fine |
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| 11:37.45 | nadar | stew, i will use some pastebin for one, two, three and four lines of txt |
| 11:37.46 | nadar | sure |
| 11:37.55 | stew | nadar: thanks |
| 11:38.01 | nadar | np |
| 11:38.03 | nadar | my pleasure |
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| 11:39.51 | Dephisto | hi does anyone here has experience with irda connection? |
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| 11:40.49 | bongzilla | hi guys |
| 11:40.52 | Dephisto | hi |
| 11:40.57 | bongzilla | need help - http://debian.pastebin.com/m65534916 |
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| 11:41.08 | Dephisto | i need also help, but noone response |
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| 11:41.31 | bongzilla | ping |
| 11:41.35 | themill | Dephisto: assume yes and ask your real question |
| 11:41.47 | bongzilla | i have my question - http://debian.pastebin.com/m65534916 |
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| 11:42.13 | themill | !patience |
| 11:42.13 | dpkg | patience is, like, The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 11:42.44 | stew | bongzilla: it appears that you have found a bug in libdjvulibre-text, however the reason you found it is that you are mixing stable with unstable, which is not recommended, nor supported |
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| 11:43.15 | bongzilla | should i remove the unstable? |
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| 11:44.04 | calwig | hello |
| 11:44.11 | stew | !dbugs 493854 |
| 11:44.13 | Dephisto | i want to connect my notebook - ibm thinkpad A30 with SE T300 or Palm zire 71. I have done some things from this site - http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/IrDA/ , when I start irdadump it does not see my pda, or mobile. Maybe mistake is here - setserial shows me uart - undefined, and ifconfig shows me this: irda1 Link encap:IrLAP HWadr e0:78:15:c2 AKTIVOVÃNO BÄŽà NEARP MTU:2048 Metrika:1 RX p |
| 11:44.13 | Dephisto | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.14 | dpkg | #493854:S[libdjvulibre-text] libdjvulibre-text: please add a conflict against the appropriate version of djview3; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:33:01 UTC |
| 11:44.21 | stew | looks like it was already filed |
| 11:44.25 | calwig | is there a package i can use to unpack PQI compressed files? |
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| 11:45.02 | stew | aptitude remove libdjvulibre-text |
| 11:45.05 | stew | bongzilla: ^^ |
| 11:45.09 | bongzilla | do you have much better stable source list? |
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| 11:45.16 | Dephisto | i think that mistake is in receiving information |
| 11:45.23 | stew | bongzilla: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 11:45.49 | stew | bongzilla: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" |
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| 11:46.24 | Dephisto | themill: are you still here? |
| 11:46.40 | bongzilla | ok i will |
| 11:47.16 | themill | Dephisto: I know nothing about irda. But now that you've actually asked your question, someone else might answer. You may be better off asking in the debian-user mailing list though. |
| 11:47.29 | Dephisto | ok |
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| 11:48.49 | themill | Dephisto: btw run the commands like ifconfig as LANG=C ifconfig so that you get the messages in English if you're posting to an English language channel/mailing list. My Czech isn't that good.... |
| 11:49.02 | Dephisto | ok |
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| 11:49.38 | Dephisto | do you know how to set the uart? |
| 11:50.09 | Dephisto | setserial /dev/ttyS0/dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 |
| 11:50.19 | Dephisto | i want to get something like this |
| 11:50.26 | Dephisto | but i get uart - undefined |
| 11:50.52 | Dephisto | i have no idea what uart means and how to change it |
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| 11:53.55 | Crypticfortune | why might it be that i can't use ctrl-alt-f1 to switch to to a console? |
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| 11:54.20 | amphi | Crypticfortune: X's DontSwitchVT option is enabled? |
| 11:54.33 | abrotman | your keyboard has no f1 key? |
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| 11:54.56 | jmd | your keyboard has no crtrl key? |
| 11:55.15 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: i have an f1 key, and it work's if i kill gdm remotely. i'll look into what amphi said... |
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| 11:55.29 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: wrong keymap in X ? |
| 11:55.52 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: (it is quite possible that my X keymap is wrong, and so X doesn't know i have one of those keys though...) |
| 11:55.54 | Hans_Wolf | Hello. I got a problem with rsnapshot/rsync. When I try to run a rsnapshot task it gives me an rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9]. I have pasted the rsnapshot config file, the error and a rsync test here: http://paste.debian.net/14045/ Thanks in advance |
| 11:55.55 | jmd | Or there are no consoles configured for that runlevel? |
| 11:56.15 | amphi | or is DontVTSwitch? I do not recall </$CORRUPT_OFFICIAL> |
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| 11:57.37 | Crypticfortune | nope. DontVTSwitch is not set... |
| 11:57.56 | Crypticfortune | jmd: and the consoles do exist (like i said, can kill gdm and use them =P |
| 11:58.41 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: using xfce maybe? |
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| 11:58.59 | abrotman | keymap? |
| 11:59.11 | themill | Crypticfortune: does chvt work from a terminal window? |
| 11:59.28 | bongzilla | yo stew - http://debian.pastebin.com/d6d87e7aa |
| 11:59.35 | jelly-home | xfce messes up crtl-alt-f1 for me as well |
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| 11:59.56 | stew | bongzilla: oh, i had assumed that you were running debian stable, you are running debian unstable |
| 12:00.31 | bongzilla | i forgot the previous error that's why i modify the list |
| 12:00.45 | bongzilla | but let me try the source list that dpkg gave me |
| 12:00.46 | stew | bongzilla: so you probably want to remove libdjvulibre15 instead of libdjvulibre-text |
| 12:00.47 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: keymap ftw. it was set to jp106. i commented it out and now i can vtswitch properly (though im not sure if i can use japanese yet =P |
| 12:01.16 | abrotman | are you japanese? |
| 12:01.32 | bongzilla | there you go |
| 12:01.40 | bongzilla | now i got the previous error |
| 12:01.48 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: okay then .. i guess X did a better job detecting it than you did :) |
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| 12:02.24 | bongzilla | yo stew, here's my previous error - http://debian.pastebin.com/d24b421fa |
| 12:02.35 | bongzilla | the reason i change my source list |
| 12:02.49 | stew | bongzilla: yeah, you can get rid of the security.debian.org line |
| 12:02.59 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: nope, unfortunately it didn't. now it thinks it's a US layout (which is wrong, and confusing) |
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| 12:03.08 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: works just fine in here :) |
| 12:03.30 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: maybe look at other jp keymap variants |
| 12:03.45 | bongzilla | the other source list keeps me hang |
| 12:03.51 | bongzilla | nothing happen |
| 12:04.09 | stew | bongzilla: show us your sources.list and the output of 'aptitude update' |
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| 12:04.59 | bongzilla | the aptitude update - http://debian.pastebin.com/d51bae968 |
| 12:05.14 | steven_ | would someone mind having a look over a preseed file for me and seeing if they can spot my error? |
| 12:05.31 | steven_ | i get the error root of no root partition defined |
| 12:05.51 | stew | bongzilla: what happens if you go to http://35.9.37.225 in a web browser? |
| 12:06.35 | bongzilla | it gaves me the list of the directories |
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| 12:07.43 | stew | bongzilla: does the aptitude update never complete? |
| 12:07.48 | stew | bongzilla: do you use a http proxy? |
| 12:07.49 | bongzilla | yup |
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| 12:08.09 | bongzilla | i dont think so |
| 12:09.51 | bongzilla | how come this error came |
| 12:09.57 | bongzilla | when i do the apt-get update |
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| 12:12.21 | bongzilla | still there stew? |
| 12:12.24 | Joelio | is this the right channel for etch+half? |
| 12:13.00 | Joelio | I have and issue with the installer, it's not recognising my broadcom gigE onboard on a new dell 2950 |
| 12:13.09 | Joelio | the normal etch installer finds it |
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| 12:13.28 | Joelio | also the network install iso link on the debian www page is broken |
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| 12:16.42 | abrotman | we know about the link |
| 12:16.48 | abrotman | Joelio: which driver makes it go ? |
| 12:18.12 | petemc | bnx2 |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | petemc: you scare me |
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| 12:18.34 | petemc | i do? |
| 12:18.42 | abrotman | how do you know his hardware?! |
| 12:18.46 | petemc | im a big dell fan, as you know |
| 12:19.32 | abrotman | apologist! |
| 12:19.54 | petemc | its cheap, it works |
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| 12:20.29 | abrotman | FSVO works :) |
| 12:20.39 | petemc | :) |
| 12:20.46 | petemc | WFM |
| 12:21.07 | abrotman | wonders why nmbd is seemingly crashing on lenny |
| 12:21.55 | kasimon | Why is sysvinit 2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 in etch !? Looks like etch and a half. |
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| 12:22.34 | abrotman | it is etchnhalf .. what's wrong with that |
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| 12:25.47 | bongzilla | do you have any best http proxy? |
| 12:25.48 | bongzilla | do you have any best http proxy? |
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| 12:26.28 | abrotman | are you going to change yours? |
| 12:27.10 | jelly-home | bongzilla: squid isn't bad |
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| 12:27.28 | bongzilla | i mean the existing http proxy |
| 12:27.35 | bongzilla | to use on the apt-get |
| 12:27.38 | bongzilla | get? |
| 12:27.38 | OpenTokix | bongzilla: squid |
| 12:27.40 | jelly-home | squid exists! |
| 12:27.48 | jelly-home | uses wwwoffle |
| 12:27.59 | bongzilla | you don't get it |
| 12:27.59 | OpenTokix | wwwaffle |
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| 12:28.05 | OpenTokix | bongzilla: no, explain better |
| 12:28.11 | jelly-home | OpenTokix: yum. |
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| 12:28.20 | Lethalman | hello |
| 12:28.35 | Lethalman | i've a wi-fi usb pen |
| 12:28.40 | Lethalman | but i can let it work only when loaded automatically at boot |
| 12:28.40 | bongzilla | give mo some list of stable free proxy |
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| 12:28.47 | Lethalman | if now i remove it then insert it again, i can't let the networking work |
| 12:28.55 | Lethalman | what are the operations to perform when attaching such device? |
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| 12:29.02 | Lethalman | i'm using gnome and network-manager |
| 12:29.15 | jelly-home | bongzilla: why not ask your ISP? |
| 12:29.20 | bongzilla | disregard |
| 12:29.22 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 12:29.28 | bongzilla | i got my apt-proxy already |
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| 12:32.27 | kasimon | abrotman: maybe I'm not fully aware what etchnahalf is, but i thought i would have to activate it manually !? |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | kasimon: the kernel you do .. and the X drivers |
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| 12:34.52 | zxxd | how do i make update-grub script not overwrite what i put after savedefault |
| 12:35.43 | Lethalman | anyone? |
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| 12:37.41 | screamingbytes | hey abrotman, long time no see |
| 12:37.47 | abrotman | like two days |
| 12:37.58 | abrotman | oh wait .. you live on jupiter! |
| 12:38.04 | screamingbytes | lol |
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| 12:38.14 | screamingbytes | i was on yesterday, but i havn't been on in a while |
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| 12:44.22 | screamingbytes | abrotman: do you use bootsplash? |
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| 12:45.41 | cr3rzemjest | hi why sometimes aptitude says "blahblahblahblah broken dependency blahblah is not going to be installed"? why is it not going to be installed?! I COMMAND IT to install it!! |
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| 12:46.19 | dondelelcaro | cr3rzemjest: you'll have to give us the full output for whatever you're talking about |
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| 12:48.02 | cr3rzemjest | http://rafb.net/p/Yy23QZ73.html |
| 12:48.10 | cr3rzemjest | aptitude says something similiar |
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| 12:49.03 | LemensTS | morning...i got a lacie external usb/nas drive. If you plug the usb into the server, it brings it up as eth2. I read that is how its supposed to work. Do i just set a static IP on it and brows to it via that IP? |
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| 12:49.21 | cr3rzemjest | because, like: these are apt entries... https://launchpad.net/~cdemu/+archive ... , right? so i added them and this is an error |
| 12:49.35 | cr3rzemjest | but ubuntu |
| 12:50.05 | cr3rzemjest | dondelelcaro, ^ |
| 12:51.03 | dondelelcaro | cr3rzemjest: we don't distribute that package, but whatever it is, it's broken |
| 12:51.12 | cr3rzemjest | ;/ |
| 12:51.26 | abrotman | screamingbytes: ask the whole channel |
| 12:52.05 | dondelelcaro | cr3rzemjest: I'd contact whoever is creating it, because the dependencies it has aren't satisfiable at all |
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| 12:53.08 | jpinx | any help for a newbie please - I've managed to install Debian and it runs and connects to the internet, but there is no IRC client installed and when I do apt-get install gaim it asks for the debian CD which I don't have.... |
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| 12:53.47 | dondelelcaro | jpinx: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, and remove the cdrom entry, and add a real debian mirror |
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| 12:53.54 | dondelelcaro | jpinx: /msg dpkg sources.list for details |
| 12:53.55 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i have been |
| 12:54.05 | screamingbytes | Anyone use bootsplash on etch? |
| 12:54.46 | jpinx | dondelelcaro: where do I get the mirror information? |
| 12:55.03 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list .. man sources.list should tell you how to construct the file |
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| 12:55.20 | abrotman | or you can tell us which country you're in and someone might give you the line you need |
| 12:55.20 | dondelelcaro | jpinx: see what dpkg told you; it has all of that information too |
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| 12:55.27 | jpinx | Peru |
| 12:55.45 | jpinx | dpkg said nothing to me :( |
| 12:55.45 | dpkg | jpinx: bugger all, i dunno |
| 12:56.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell jpinx -about sources.list |
| 12:56.19 | abrotman | !tell jpinx about mirrors |
| 12:57.16 | jpinx | ok - reading - thanks |
| 12:58.09 | jpinx | I travel - can I enter several sources? |
| 12:58.56 | Hans_Wolf | yup |
| 12:59.07 | jpinx | tks |
| 13:00.15 | Hans_Wolf | look the net for sources.list files, you will find several, but make sure the repos are for your version of debian, and don't forget to apt-get update averytime you change this file |
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| 13:00.50 | abrotman | jpinx: you can .. but it won't really make a difference |
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| 13:01.54 | jpinx | ok - |
| 13:02.06 | jpinx | will go for a local one for now |
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| 13:03.56 | jpinx | can I edit sources.list in windows wordpad without screwing it up? |
| 13:04.10 | jpinx | has an e2fs reader in XP |
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| 13:05.13 | rom1v | hi |
| 13:05.19 | rom1v | I need help for ssh redirection |
| 13:05.22 | rom1v | could you help me? |
| 13:05.33 | rom1v | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=881682 |
| 13:06.08 | idimmu | can you telnet to localhost 3333 |
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| 13:06.19 | idimmu | oh its all in french i guess you cant |
| 13:06.34 | themill | rom1v: I'm taking a guess that this is a question for #ubuntu not #debian |
| 13:06.53 | idimmu | actually its a question for #ssh |
| 13:07.01 | idimmu | if that even exists |
| 13:07.01 | rom1v | themill, not at all :) |
| 13:07.12 | rom1v | yes #ssh, but there are 6 people |
| 13:07.29 | rom1v | or #openssh, but I had no answer:( |
| 13:07.45 | rom1v | I think that some debian users use to use ssh :) |
| 13:08.06 | themill | rom1v: yes, and #debian provides support for debian users. If you want support from #debian, install debian. |
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| 13:08.20 | idimmu | isnt it more like ssh -L 333:11.22.33.44:80 |
| 13:08.21 | idimmu | ? |
| 13:08.26 | abrotman | jpinx: why would you? |
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| 13:08.39 | rom1v | idimmu, no, I need remote redirection -R |
| 13:08.56 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed 'fuseiso' instead of 'cdemu' but i can only mount .bin file on root user. but then, when i try to change ownership, it says:chown: changing ownership of `dir': Function not implemented |
| 13:09.00 | cr3rzemjest | and same with -R |
| 13:09.01 | rom1v | else, -L would redirect A:3333 to B-11.22.33.44:80 |
| 13:09.02 | jpinx | abrotman - because I am in XP right now and I have no IRC client in Debian yet - |
| 13:09.20 | cr3rzemjest | neither chmod a+x -R dir works |
| 13:09.21 | rom1v | I want that B:3333 redirect to A-11.22.33.44:80 |
| 13:09.39 | idimmu | oh wait B is the server name, ok |
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| 13:09.58 | abrotman | jpinx: you can try i suppose .. hopefully it doesn't trash the file |
| 13:10.00 | up365 | screamingbytes, I have a splash screen on etch. |
| 13:10.11 | rom1v | ;) |
| 13:11.05 | abrotman | !qotd219 is <reply><jpinx> can I edit sources.list in windows wordpad without screwing it up? |
| 13:11.06 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 13:12.00 | idimmu | rom1v: can B access 11.22.33.44:80 normally? |
| 13:12.00 | screamingbytes | up365 did you patch the kernel, mkinitrd, etc.... or just install bootsplash |
| 13:12.02 | idimmu | or just A ? |
| 13:12.07 | unixSnob | jpinx: just screw it up... then unscrew it with dos2ux |
| 13:12.18 | idimmu | i think you're doing this the wrong way round |
| 13:12.31 | screamingbytes | Does anyone rem what the command was to get what version of deb your running, i.e. sarge, etch etc... |
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| 13:12.58 | rom1v | idimmu, no |
| 13:12.58 | idimmu | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 13:13.10 | cr3rzemjest | halphalp |
| 13:13.18 | rom1v | (else it would be easy :) ) |
| 13:13.20 | jpinx | unixSnob: I'll back it up first ;) |
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| 13:13.35 | screamingbytes | lol, thanks romlv |
| 13:13.42 | idimmu | rom1v: you want to create a tunnel from B through A to 11.22.33.44 |
| 13:13.44 | idimmu | in that case |
| 13:13.58 | rom1v | yes, I did exactly the same thing on other servers |
| 13:14.00 | rom1v | it works fine |
| 13:14.06 | rom1v | I have a problem only with this specific one |
| 13:14.11 | idimmu | so you can either on A ssh -L 333:11.22.33.44:80 or on B do ssh -R 3333:11.22.33.44:80 |
| 13:14.13 | rom1v | so I am sure the command is ok |
| 13:14.18 | up365 | screamingbytes, sorry, I'm using gnome splash-screen manager not bootsplash. |
| 13:14.22 | idimmu | then thats fluke and incompetance on your part |
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| 13:14.38 | idimmu | i think |
| 13:14.49 | rom1v | the easier would be on a ssh -L... I agree, but B doesn't have ssh server |
| 13:14.59 | rom1v | sorry |
| 13:15.14 | rom1v | the easier would be on B to do ssh A -L |
| 13:15.19 | idimmu | no |
| 13:15.31 | Punker | moinsen |
| 13:15.31 | idimmu | on A you'd do ssh -L |
| 13:15.51 | idimmu | so then from B you'd do wget A:3333/file |
| 13:16.16 | rom1v | (sorry, I'm confusing in letters) |
| 13:16.46 | rom1v | what I want : from B:3333, access to A-11.22.33.44:80 |
| 13:16.50 | rom1v | (I inverted) |
| 13:16.57 | rom1v | I have a ssh server on B only |
| 13:17.20 | idimmu | ok well you cant do what you want then |
| 13:17.27 | rom1v | yes I can |
| 13:17.35 | rom1v | if I have an access to A |
| 13:17.38 | rom1v | (I have a VNC access to A) |
| 13:17.43 | stew | rom1v: you have a ssh client on A? |
| 13:17.52 | rom1v | yes ssh client on A |
| 13:18.04 | rom1v | so I ssh B -R 3333:11.22.33.44:8 |
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| 13:18.06 | rom1v | 0 |
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| 13:18.37 | jamesfff | greetings. I have a debian lenny/sid image here. I want to check what speed my interface is at, ethtool just says link detected |
| 13:18.37 | idimmu | thats not going to work though as you said B cant access 11.22.33.44 |
| 13:18.39 | stew | rom1v: and what is the problem? |
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| 13:18.43 | up365 | screamingbytes, but bootsplash looks like a pretty cool app, if you get it working, let me know. |
| 13:18.59 | rom1v | the problem is that on B, when "wget localhost:3333" |
| 13:19.02 | rom1v | I am connected but |
| 13:19.06 | stew | B doesn't need to be able to access 11.22.33.44, that is th epoint of the tunnel |
| 13:19.07 | rom1v | "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... No data received" |
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| 13:19.23 | rom1v | while on A, when "wget 11.22.33.44:80", it works |
| 13:19.38 | LemensTS | morning...i got a lacie external usb/nas drive. If you plug the usb into the server, it brings it up as eth2. I read that is how its supposed to work. Do i just set a static IP on it and brows to it via that IP? |
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| 13:19.57 | stew | rom1v: use tcpdump on A to see if the request goes out and if a response comes back to A |
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| 13:19.59 | idimmu | your SSH redirection on B isnt working for the same reason wget 11.22.33.44 doesnt work on B |
| 13:20.21 | idimmu | your traffic wants to go from B -> A -> 11.22.33.44 |
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| 13:20.24 | rom1v | idimmu, no, ssh redirection is working, I am connected to the server, except http server doesn't answer |
| 13:20.33 | idimmu | that means its NOT WORKING |
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| 13:20.36 | Armilliary | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 13:20.39 | rom1v | lol |
| 13:20.39 | unixSnob | Does it make sense to install libdb3-util, when libdb4 is installed? There is no libdb4-util. |
| 13:20.51 | enouf | n3kl: ping |
| 13:21.00 | stew | idimmu: you are missing the point. the entire point of creating the tunnel is to give a way for B to talk to 11.22.33.44 over ssh when it normally wouldn't have a way |
| 13:21.02 | idimmu | rom1v: wget is saying 'yes a connection' because it opens up a socket to the ssh redirection |
| 13:21.16 | idimmu | it then says no data because the ssh redirection tries to connect to 11.22.33.44 and gets told it cant |
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| 13:21.35 | idimmu | stew: you're missing the point, B cant access 11.22.33.44 |
| 13:21.37 | rom1v | idimmu : ssh allows B to access 11.22.33.44 via the redirection |
| 13:21.46 | rom1v | B doesn't need to access 11.22.33.44 directly |
| 13:21.52 | stew | rom1v: right |
| 13:21.54 | idimmu | yes but with your redirection it is |
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| 13:22.11 | idimmu | like i said you want to send the traffic from B to A then to 11.22.33.44 |
| 13:22.13 | Armilliary | Does anyone have any experience installing from a package mirror created by reprepro? |
| 13:22.14 | idimmu | and until you do that it wont work |
| 13:22.42 | stew | and they way you do that is ssh -R3333:11.22.33.44:80 B |
| 13:22.55 | rom1v | I tried to telnet localhost:3333 on B |
| 13:22.57 | rom1v | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 13:22.57 | rom1v | Connected to localhost. |
| 13:22.57 | rom1v | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 13:22.57 | rom1v | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 13:23.11 | stew | rom1v: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
| 13:23.15 | rom1v | ok, sorry |
| 13:23.31 | stew | rom1v: i'd recommend using tcpdump on A to see what happens |
| 13:23.56 | idimmu | shuts up |
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| 13:24.36 | Armilliary | I've got a reprepro mirror and I'm trying to install from it, but the installer gives be "bad archive mirror" even though the Release file is valid. |
| 13:25.24 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed fuseiso (mounting iso/bin), added sudoers entry and now when i mount something i neither can access the dir, nor chmod/chown it on root... what to do? |
| 13:26.00 | cr3rzemjest | it says function not implemented |
| 13:27.04 | rom1v | stew: the problem is that A is on Windows :( |
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| 13:27.22 | rom1v | only B is on linux (that's my computer) |
| 13:28.40 | stew | rom1v: why is that a problem? |
| 13:28.52 | harpal | How can I change resolution of my desktop. I have 1024*768, I want to increase it. I have searched in menu, I got the option to change it but I dont have 1024*768 resolution |
| 13:28.56 | screamingbytes | Should i email deb or just spit this out here? All of the netinst links are busted on http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 13:29.12 | Armilliary | @cr3rzemjest: just checking- do you have both fuseiso and the fuseiso9660 packages installed? |
| 13:29.21 | unixSnob | is curious why only 1 disc out of 4 has ever been requested by his debian installation.. and he's installed a lot of stuff |
| 13:29.25 | screamingbytes | there only missing the a, i.e. 40r4a |
| 13:29.36 | rom1v | staw: I have to find a tcpdump.exe |
| 13:29.36 | rom1v | lol |
| 13:29.54 | cr3rzemjest | Armilliary, no |
| 13:29.58 | rom1v | I'll try to download wireshark |
| 13:30.07 | cr3rzemjest | Armilliary, it's a bin file |
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| 13:30.42 | stew | cr3rzemjest: you are trying to run chmod/chown on the mounted iso filesystem? |
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| 13:31.12 | plb_ | Is lenny release still set for next month? |
| 13:31.12 | cr3rzemjest | stew, no, only the dir containing it, so i can access it as a non-root user |
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| 13:31.34 | dondelelcaro | plb_: it's set for when it's ready |
| 13:31.39 | plb_ | lol |
| 13:31.44 | Armilliary | @cr3rzemjest: can you chmod the dir when nothing is mounted on it? |
| 13:32.05 | plb_ | yeah, but it was stated somewhere before in september |
| 13:32.12 | cr3rzemjest | Armilliary, yes but after mounting it changes to root |
| 13:32.23 | cr3rzemjest | even if i sudo it from a normal user |
| 13:32.29 | dondelelcaro | plb_: sure, we give estimates, and timelines, but we don't release based on the calendar |
| 13:32.49 | plb_ | I know..but I was just wondering if that timeframe changed or is it still next month |
| 13:33.10 | Armilliary | @cr3rzemjest: you are mounting it with 'fusermount', right? |
| 13:33.25 | stew | plb_: there isn't a timeframe. it will release when there are zero release critical bugs, right now there are around 375: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 13:33.31 | cr3rzemjest | Armilliary, fuseiso... |
| 13:33.42 | plb_ | ok |
| 13:33.56 | cr3rzemjest | it has dr-xr-xr-x and i can't access the dir... |
| 13:33.58 | stew | plb_: its very unlikely that all of those bugs (and whatever new bugs come up) will be fixed before september is over |
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| 13:34.17 | Armilliary | @cr3rzemjest: Ok, not familiar enough with it then- I thought all FUSE modules mounted with fusermount. Sorry. |
| 13:34.31 | AbsintheSyringe | for some reason, acpi_ibm is not being loaded (out of sudden) and I can't start bluetooth either, this happened after dist-upgrade and I can't figure out what's wrong, lenovo x300, debian testing |
| 13:34.31 | cr3rzemjest | np |
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| 13:34.57 | screamingbytes | up365: I will |
| 13:35.11 | screamingbytes | up365: sry for the late late late response :) |
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| 13:35.31 | unixSnob | i don't suppose there are any debian packages that will prompt for smpt server credentials, then setup postfix/tls to use them |
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| 13:35.55 | Armilliary | @cr3rzemjest: Some more stupid questions- you've done 'usermod -a -G fuse <username>' for the users who want to access it? |
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| 13:36.42 | jcowie621 | anyone up for a packaging question? |
| 13:36.57 | LemensTS | i have a device with IP 192.168.1.5 plugged into my server, that i need to access its web admin from other computers. What would be a line to allow access to that with iptables? the main nic of the server is 192.168.1.2 |
| 13:37.01 | cr3rzemjest | Armilliary, yes i've tried it |
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| 13:38.03 | up365 | screamingbytes, cool, I read the install instructions, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/bootsplash.txt |
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| 13:38.23 | cr3rzemjest | Armilliary, heh the solution is -oallow_other option, which is not in manual |
| 13:38.29 | screamingbytes | up365: seems simple, its not lol |
| 13:38.48 | screamingbytes | up365: its supposedly being replaced by splashy or usplash |
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| 13:39.15 | dromer | hmmm, does anybody know why current vim testing doesn't have synthax enabled? |
| 13:39.28 | jcowie621 | does the postinst script get run before or after all files get put in their final locations? I would have assumed that it does, but behaviour seems to indicate not. |
| 13:39.29 | Armilliary | One more try: has anyone tried installing from a local repository that wasn't created by apt-mirror (in this case, reprepro)? |
| 13:39.50 | dromer | I wanted to add :synthax enable to my .vimrc but apperantly it's not available o.O |
| 13:39.56 | jcowie621 | Armilliary: yes, I made one with dpkg-scanpackages |
| 13:40.09 | up365 | screamingbytes, don't get me wrong even if it is laid out step by step, I agree it doesn't look that simple. |
| 13:40.14 | LemensTS | dromer: its :syntax |
| 13:40.20 | themill | dpkg: tell dromer about vim syntax highlighting |
| 13:40.21 | dromer | LemensTS: sorry, what I meant |
| 13:40.46 | rom1v | stew: nothing very interesting in wireshark |
| 13:40.53 | rom1v | arp and tcp trames |
| 13:41.06 | dromer | themill: --version tells me '-syntax' << not compiled somehow |
| 13:41.13 | themill | dromer: the vimrc setting and what you type at the vim cmd line is different. |
| 13:41.28 | themill | dromer: check what packages you have installed as per what dpkg just told you |
| 13:41.31 | rom1v | Ah |
| 13:41.39 | Armilliary | jcowie621, did you install from it using d-i? |
| 13:41.43 | rom1v | Proxy Error (The specified Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) port is not allowed |
| 13:41.52 | jcowie621 | nah I used apt-get as my package has heaps of deps |
| 13:41.58 | screamingbytes | up365: it is laid out, and seemed very simple, which is why i tried it, but failure at every corner so far |
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| 13:42.07 | dromer | themill: E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version |
| 13:42.22 | themill | dromer: what vim packages do you have installed? |
| 13:42.24 | dromer | themill: dpkg only said vim or vim-runtime |
| 13:42.28 | dromer | vim |
| 13:42.29 | screamingbytes | up365: directions from deb (on disk), from bootsplash.org, and other websites specific to bootsplash and etch |
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| 13:42.47 | jcowie621 | Armilliary: nah I used apt-get as my package has heaps of deps |
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| 13:43.19 | screamingbytes | up365: it does attempt it, just never succeeds, never looks for the file in initrd, according to dmesg. |
| 13:43.25 | dromer | themill: ok, vim-runtime was not installed .. maybe it will add the feture? |
| 13:43.37 | themill | dromer: I believe so |
| 13:43.55 | Armilliary | @jcowie621: Ok. I get "bad archive mirror" from d-i when I try to use it as a local repository |
| 13:43.58 | dromer | themill: ok, works now :) |
| 13:44.11 | themill | dromer: lenny? |
| 13:44.15 | dromer | yes |
| 13:44.28 | themill | ahh... in etch, vim depends on vim-runtime |
| 13:44.33 | dromer | now to my next 'problem' -> I'm trying to set up smb.conf for a mixed windows/osx network and I'm not quite getting it right |
| 13:44.43 | themill | dromer: I'll educate dpkg to that effect |
| 13:44.54 | jcowie621 | Armilliary: try doing dpkg-scanpackages debs /dev/null | gzip > debs/Packages.gz, assuming the package is in a directory called debs |
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| 13:45.11 | dromer | themill: ok :) |
| 13:45.13 | unixSnob | is /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl expected to work in debian 4.0r3? |
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| 13:46.26 | Armilliary | @jcowie621: The Packages files are all right, I checked them./ |
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| 13:46.46 | jcowie621 | Armilliary: does it work with apt-get? |
| 13:46.54 | Armilliary | @jcowie621: I think the problem is that the dist is no longer the default. I'm trying to |
| 13:46.59 | Armilliary | @jcowie621: Yes. |
| 13:47.09 | themill | dromer: better? |
| 13:47.14 | Armilliary | @jcowie621: On an installed system, it works fine as a repository. |
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| 13:47.40 | Armilliary | @jcowie621: I just can't seem to get the installer to recognise that both all the packages and udebs are there. |
| 13:47.41 | dromer | themill: apperantly, I didn't have the real vim package installed either .. although the command was available .. (didn't think twice about it) |
| 13:48.00 | dromer | so apt-get install vim installed vim and vim-runtime .. and now :syntax enable works :) |
| 13:48.04 | jcowie621 | Armilliary: hmm, dunno what the problem is there! |
| 13:48.23 | up365 | screamingbytes, the slashy install has you adding unstable main to sources ? |
| 13:48.29 | themill | dromer: there's a cut-down version of vim that is installed by default because the full vim is pretty hefty. |
| 13:48.34 | dromer | themill: oh, and I don't have ':syntax on' in my .vimrc in that regard |
| 13:48.42 | abrotman | Armilliary: i think your IRC client is very broken |
| 13:48.43 | dromer | hefty :') |
| 13:49.02 | themill | dromer: no colon for your .vimrc |
| 13:49.07 | Armilliary | @abrotman: It's Pidgin (yes, yes, shame, I know) |
| 13:49.18 | abrotman | it's not that .. it's your nicktab complete .. |
| 13:49.40 | Armilliary | abrotman: Better? |
| 13:49.45 | cr3rzemjest | can you 'ls | grep wut' and pipe it to rm? (delete) how? |
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| 13:50.29 | themill | cr3rzemjest: no. never try to parse the output of ls. |
| 13:51.10 | cr3rzemjest | themill, so how to do things like that? do something with large number of files? how about ls -1? |
| 13:51.14 | Armilliary | cr3rzemjest: I'd use "find -name '*wut*' -delete" |
| 13:51.32 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 13:51.36 | themill | cr3rzemjest: find . -name wut -maxdepth 1 -delete |
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| 13:51.50 | Armilliary | Yes, if you don't want it recursive. |
| 13:52.14 | themill | cr3rzemjest: err... '*wut*' not just wut |
| 13:52.26 | keith4 | I would just print out the list first, to make sure it's not going to delete anything you weren't expecting |
| 13:52.33 | Armilliary | Also a good idea |
| 13:52.45 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: /msg dpkg using find |
| 13:52.48 | Armilliary | cr3rzemjest: not giving find any command makes it print by default |
| 13:52.53 | screamingbytes | up365: probably |
| 13:53.06 | screamingbytes | up365: but usplash is in etch |
| 13:53.21 | Hans_Wolf | Have someone managed to install the latest gimp on etch? |
| 13:53.30 | screamingbytes | up365: usplash is ubuntus version of bootsplash |
| 13:54.10 | screamingbytes | up365: afaik usplash runs mostly in user space or something cause there are periods where scrolling text appears and goes away |
| 13:55.00 | stew | Hans_Wolf: there is no easy way to install the latest gtk on etch |
| 13:55.20 | dromer | themill: yes it does, it works now anyway .. and check out http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/syntax.html |
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| 13:57.12 | aronofsky | hi , i got a question, is it possible with rsync to sync only the directories, not the files ? |
| 13:58.00 | Armilliary | aronofsky: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2320 |
| 13:58.10 | up365 | screamingbytes, but none will work without the patched kernel though,right? |
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| 13:59.12 | screamingbytes | up365: only bootsplash needs the kernel patch afaik |
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| 13:59.33 | screamingbytes | up365: get the latest patches from bootsplash.org, they have up to .25 i think |
| 13:59.55 | harpal | Hey how to update a package? |
| 13:59.57 | screamingbytes | up365: usplash, nor splashy said they needed kernel patches. |
| 14:00.09 | stew | harpal: aptitude install packagename |
| 14:00.50 | harpal | stew: does that update it? |
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| 14:01.16 | stew | harpal: how? |
| 14:01.35 | stew | harpal: are you asking what steps aptitude would take to update a package? |
| 14:01.51 | harpal | stew: yes |
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| 14:02.05 | rom1v | stew : thank you |
| 14:02.06 | rom1v | I found |
| 14:02.08 | stew | harpal: oh wait, i misread that |
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| 14:02.16 | rom1v | in wireshark tcp trames :) |
| 14:02.23 | stew | harpal: "install" means "install or upgrade" |
| 14:02.34 | stew | i need more coffee |
| 14:02.38 | rom1v | in putty, it uses the proxy for ssh connection AND for connecting to 11.22.33.44 |
| 14:02.43 | rom1v | and it blocked this access |
| 14:02.43 | rom1v | :) |
| 14:02.49 | rom1v | I had to add an exception to the proxy |
| 14:02.52 | rom1v | in putty |
| 14:02.53 | ArthurArchnix | rhytmbox stops me from hibernating if it's playing. I'd rather that not happen. That is, I'd like the computer to go to sleep even if music is playing. Any ideas how to change this setting? |
| 14:02.54 | rom1v | and it was ok |
| 14:02.54 | rom1v | :) |
| 14:03.10 | Hans_Wolf | stew, I learned that after FF 3 :-P. However, in the FF case, I have been sucessful using a export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. I will bump google a little more, if I still can't I will be back ;-P |
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| 14:03.42 | harpal | stew: ok |
| 14:03.53 | up365 | screamingbytes, have you tried/installed either usplash or splashy or are set on having bootsplash? |
| 14:03.55 | Hans_Wolf | stew, I am talking about GTK on etch, bytheway :P |
| 14:04.49 | ArthurArchnix | think I may have found it... ignore inhibit requests in gconf-editor |
| 14:04.50 | stew | Hans_Wolf: you mean you have libgtk2.0-0 version 2.12 installed on etch? |
| 14:04.53 | ArthurArchnix | if I disapear it worked |
| 14:05.03 | ArthurArchnix | darn |
| 14:05.19 | Hans_Wolf | stew: yep, so I would be able to intall the last gimp package |
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| 14:06.24 | stew | Hans_Wolf: well it sounds like this no longer really has much to do with debian, if you are installing all of gimp from source, so perhaps you should be asking in #gimp |
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| 14:06.59 | screamingbytes | up365: no there all seperate |
| 14:07.03 | Hans_Wolf | stew: ok, I will be there, thanks |
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| 14:07.29 | screamingbytes | up365: yes i installed usplash, and i had a splash screen on shutdown, but couldn't fix it to get a boot up splash |
| 14:07.32 | netcrash | Hello , I need some help how can I search for specific directory not file only to find the directory's that match the name with find ? |
| 14:07.51 | stew | netcrash: find -type d -name foo |
| 14:08.00 | netcrash | thank you |
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| 14:08.07 | jpinx | sheesh - I got 107 updates on first run - is that usual? |
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| 14:08.20 | screamingbytes | up365: im thinking about rev-eng RH or Man to figure out what theyve done and try to do it. |
| 14:09.06 | up365 | screamingbytes, ok I see 3 different progams of which bootsplash would be the best if you could get it to work. |
| 14:09.28 | screamingbytes | up365: :) agreed, thats why im working so hard on it |
| 14:09.41 | screamingbytes | up365: just can't make it happy yet |
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| 14:11.03 | robokop | hello, i have a partman/expert-recipe, but it only makes the first two partitions => http://paste.debian.net/14054/ |
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| 14:12.56 | screamingbytes | robokop: errors? |
| 14:13.47 | robokop | don't see them (completly automated installer) |
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| 14:14.25 | screamingbytes | robokop: are you allowed 2 $primarys |
| 14:14.48 | jlilly | Anyone have thoughts on when it would be appropriate to use a hardware firewall in addition to iptables? |
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| 14:14.57 | up365 | screamingbytes, I'm glad you're trying, I'm pretty good if instructions are laid out but improvising on deb installs is not my strong suit. |
| 14:14.58 | netcrash | stew: thank you |
| 14:15.11 | axscode | hi guyz, is debian using 2.6.25 or 2.6.26? |
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| 14:15.20 | axscode | update for kernel... |
| 14:15.39 | robokop | well that part works, and normally you are allowed 4 primary partitions on a disk (of which one ore more might be extendend (not ext) partitions) |
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| 14:16.01 | stew | axscode: stable uses 2.6.18 and 2.6.24, testing/unstable use 2.6.25 and 2.6.26 |
| 14:17.05 | screamingbytes | none are bootable |
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| 14:18.46 | robokop | screamingbytes: no i install grub in mbr of hdd |
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| 14:19.08 | robokop | screamingbytes: and it boots correctly |
| 14:19.49 | harpal | Hey I cant get my sound working. Can any one help me? |
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| 14:20.06 | stew | harpal: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 14:22.11 | adrian15 | Is there any easy or difficult way of downloading a debian repository from fedora? |
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| 14:23.50 | cr3rzemjest | i need a second drive |
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| 14:26.33 | stew | adrian15: http://packages.debian.org/etch/apt-mirror |
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| 14:28.10 | adrian15 | stew: I am going to try to compile it from the source. |
| 14:28.39 | stew | adrian15: its a perl script, there is no compiling needed |
| 14:29.25 | screamingbytes | robokop: i mean according to your recipe, you havn't defined 1 $bootable |
| 14:29.43 | bob__ | hi - i want to export an nfs share so that all users on the box that mount it can read/write/delete all files, any ideas? |
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| 14:30.01 | robokop | screamingbytes: yes, but does it influence the making of the other partitions |
| 14:30.09 | screamingbytes | robokop: according to the doc's you must also make at least one partition 1000000000 to make the rest of the space useable in the future i guess, it just says it must be |
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| 14:30.35 | sinak | hi. I installed iceweasel 3 on fresh debian lenny, and it fails to start |
| 14:30.40 | screamingbytes | robokop: i dunno lol im just looking at your recipe and the doc, and trying to find documented discrepencies. |
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| 14:33.19 | becker_11 | Hi Last night I changed the theme on my desktop to a black theme. Trouble is the url bar and search box in Ice weasel amongst other things have also gone black. I either need to change the general font color or the background color of these boxes ..... How can Ido this please?? |
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| 14:34.34 | screamingbytes | robokop: the \ in your file are carriage returns? |
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| 14:35.32 | sinak | becker_11 kde? |
| 14:35.33 | screamingbytes | robokop: how big is the drive your working on? |
| 14:35.40 | robokop | 80g |
| 14:35.50 | screamingbytes | robokop: the only thing i can guess at this point is your file is kewl, except for the values |
| 14:35.52 | becker_11 | sinak: sorry no it's Gnome on debian etch |
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| 14:36.48 | sinak | becker_11 i don't know how to do this on gnome :- |
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| 14:38.15 | robokop | screamingbytes: what values, you mean the partition sizes? |
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| 14:39.01 | becker_11 | under w'doze it's called the window_background property but I can't find something similar in Gnome |
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| 14:39.48 | adrian15 | stew: I had some problems configuring it in a /tmp folder but I think it's going to work, ok, thank you very much |
| 14:39.55 | screamingbytes | robokop: yea |
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| 14:40.42 | robokop | screamingbytes: what is not 'kewl' about them? |
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| 14:42.28 | jpinx | I have a laptop with 2 hdd's - one with 2 ntfs partitions and the other with 1 NTFS partition and Debian. I can't get access via "Disks Manager" - any advice? |
| 14:42.32 | drax2gma | hi ppl |
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| 14:43.29 | screamingbytes | robokop: all of the recipe files and doc's show 3 different values the initial one being the size in cylinder's that you want, the third being priority in being put on the drive |
| 14:43.37 | drax2gma | Anyone knows what to set up in sendmail.mc to use with LDAP? |
| 14:43.43 | screamingbytes | robokop: im still trying to verify the 2nd value |
| 14:44.13 | harpal | stew: Still that doesnt help, I cant hear sound on my system. I have completed alsa checklist |
| 14:44.15 | jetscreamer | where would i find the changelog for a given package, specifically grub-splashimages |
| 14:44.22 | robokop | according to docs 3rd is max and 2nd is priority |
| 14:44.31 | nkuttler | jetscreamer: /usr/share/doc/package/ |
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| 14:44.49 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 14:45.06 | jetscreamer | they took eddie out!!! (least i guess so, he disappeared) |
| 14:45.28 | decafbad | hi, which backports repo is listed at packages.debian.org as etch-backports? |
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| 14:45.46 | themill | dpkg: tell decafbad about backports.org |
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| 14:46.20 | robokop | screamingbytes: i have found /var/log/installer/partman, but it is 80+k |
| 14:46.37 | jetscreamer | restored eddie from backup though |
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| 14:46.48 | decafbad | themill: thanks, but man-db 2.5.2 at packages.debian.org in etch-backports repo. it's not available |
| 14:46.58 | adrian15 | stew: Download seems to work. Once I get all these files I'll make a tar and copy it in my pendrive. Now I need to know how to put all these files into a repository... I need to use file:/// in source.list I suppose ... isn't it... because with apt-mirror indexes are also download am I wrong? |
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| 14:47.20 | jpinx | I can read the ntfs USB stick, but not the ntfs partitions on the drives - what should I do? |
| 14:47.23 | themill | decafbad: backports.org has 2.5.2-2~bpo40+1 |
| 14:47.45 | jetscreamer | sometimes you can just cp them to /var/cache/apt/archives, but they would need to be in the list already i believe |
| 14:48.29 | jetscreamer | jpinx: you should /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 14:48.55 | jetscreamer | you can rw with ntfs-3g also |
| 14:48.57 | becker_11 | my black theme is unusable due to the background of text entry boxes, iceweasel url & search boxes, chatzilla text entry box etc on Debian Etch Under Gnome |
| 14:49.05 | jpinx | ok - thanks |
| 14:49.08 | jetscreamer | !ntfsrw |
| 14:49.08 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
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| 14:49.23 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 14:49.29 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 14:49.33 | becker_11 | my black theme is unusable due to the background of text entry boxes, iceweasel url & search boxes, chatzilla text entry box etc on Debian Etch Under Gnome How do I change the color? |
| 14:50.14 | decafbad | themill: I found the problem. backports packages aren't installed by default. I have to explicitly tell apt to use them. thank you |
| 14:50.15 | keith4 | I have a strange problem. I mounted a CIFS share, and then can't cd into it. http://pastebin.com/m524229a7 |
| 14:50.21 | screamingbytes | robokop: lol kk, well glance through it, see if anything is obvious. Or you can paste it to pastebin or whatever |
| 14:50.39 | themill | decafbad: yes, that's right. You probably don't want everything from backports.org, just selected things |
| 14:50.41 | amphi | becker_11: you can perhaps use a custom stylesheet to fix that |
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| 14:51.24 | jcm | hi, is there some simple way to implement a smtp proxy ? |
| 14:51.28 | becker_11 | amphi: where would I put it |
| 14:51.55 | keith4 | jcm: do you need more functionality than nullmailer gives you? |
| 14:51.57 | amphi | becker_11: not sure - the mozilla site will know, I expect |
| 14:52.11 | robokop | screamingbytes: http://paste.debian.net/14064/ (line 44 gives sda-1 that looks odd) |
| 14:52.28 | becker_11 | ok |
| 14:52.35 | harpal | which is backport url to add in apt-get? |
| 14:52.44 | mylvari | could someone post link to guide which is the most proper way to install nvidia gpu driver with 3d hardware accelration to debian? |
| 14:52.48 | amphi | becker_11: I became weary of dark themes before I got round to doing anything about that |
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| 14:52.55 | screamingbytes | keith4: try adding a / after //cf2/act/ |
| 14:53.05 | keith4 | good idea |
| 14:53.23 | screamingbytes | robokop: looking |
| 14:53.42 | keith4 | screamingbytes: but no change |
| 14:53.51 | jcm | keith4: didn't know this; no, it seems to be too simple |
| 14:54.40 | alraune |  harpal: see comments in sources.list |
| 14:54.51 | jcm | keith4: I'd like to have a secure smtp with login/password for users, that would filter attached pieces and place those which are toolarge on a ftp server, then add a link in the body of the message and relay it |
| 14:55.24 | keith4 | I bet postfix can do that. might want to ask in #postfix |
| 14:55.27 | jcm | keith4: a kind of 'transparent mail proxy' for end users sending big attached docs |
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| 14:55.55 | jcm | I tried explain them using ftp, but I'm sure a transparent thing would be better |
| 14:56.28 | jpinx | after editing /etc/fstab - how do I get the hdd's to be mounted? |
| 14:56.33 | harpal | alraune: I dont have any comment in sources.list |
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| 14:57.40 | screamingbytes | robokop: looks like its stuck in a loop |
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| 15:01.14 | screamingbytes | keith4: why the AD before username, if its a seperate domain, id remove the first two \\ its not a directory its a domain/name |
| 15:01.49 | screamingbytes | keith4: sorry not the leading \\ the middle \\, just use 1, AD/Administrator |
| 15:02.13 | screamingbytes | keith4: after that try \\cf2\act\ not / |
| 15:02.16 | keith4 | screamingbytes: nah. AD\\user is how you have to do it |
| 15:02.29 | keith4 | let me elaborate |
| 15:02.31 | screamingbytes | keith4: ok on AD\\user |
| 15:02.47 | screamingbytes | keith4: i know when authenticating in windows to windows its AD |
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| 15:02.56 | screamingbytes | keith: sry, its AD/Administrator |
| 15:03.04 | keith4 | it's not a syntax problem. this method works for all sorts of other shares, on other servers |
| 15:03.12 | keith4 | 'mount' even shows that it's mounted |
| 15:03.24 | screamingbytes | keith4: kk, permissions? |
| 15:03.37 | screamingbytes | keith4: on remote machine |
| 15:04.09 | keith4 | perhaps. but i'm authing as domain admin... let me check |
| 15:04.23 | jetscreamer | jpinx: this is how i do it: http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab |
| 15:04.30 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 15:04.32 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 15:04.45 | screamingbytes | keith4: XP box? |
| 15:04.47 | jetscreamer | !id |
| 15:04.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360 |
| 15:04.54 | robokop | screamingbytes: but how can i fix this loop? |
| 15:04.55 | et | jetscreamer al |
| 15:05.04 | jpinx | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 15:05.09 | keith4 | screamingbytes: nah. win2k3 server |
| 15:05.10 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:05.23 | keith4 | screamingbytes: this is very odd. i've never seen anything like it |
| 15:05.23 | harpal | I have added deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/debian-backports/ etch-backports main contrib non-free in sources.list but when I do apt-get update I get W: GPG error: http://mirror.pacific.net.au etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 15:05.36 | screamingbytes | robokop: i dunno brother, try searching google, i noticed a few ppl complaining about looping issues, but skipped them |
| 15:05.54 | screamingbytes | keith4: aye |
| 15:06.08 | screamingbytes | keith4: XP would block admin if simple file sharing were turned on |
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| 15:06.16 | screamingbytes | keith4: but 2k won't |
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| 15:07.52 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 15:08.05 | jetscreamer | well there's a factoid about that somewhere |
| 15:08.15 | jetscreamer | hang on |
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| 15:09.35 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 15:09.35 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add - |
| 15:09.43 | abrotman | or he could you know .. read the instructions at backports.org |
| 15:09.51 | jetscreamer | thief ! |
| 15:09.55 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 15:10.08 | keith4 | screamingbytes: my mistake. it also works as AD/user |
| 15:10.11 | jetscreamer | !apt secure |
| 15:10.11 | dpkg | apt secure is probably See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
| 15:10.12 | apt | ACTION gives is probably See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> a good dose of security |
| 15:10.12 | keith4 | i swear it didn't used to |
| 15:10.17 | gkffjcs | what's the kernel on lenny? actually the more important question is if I upgrade to lenny will it break vmware? |
| 15:10.27 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 15:10.37 | keith4 | you'll need to recompile the vmware kernel modules |
| 15:10.48 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 15:11.04 | keith4 | gkffjcs: but as long as you have kbuild and/or kernel headers, you'll be okay |
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| 15:11.21 | gkffjcs | ok, cool, thanks! |
| 15:11.33 | jetscreamer | apt: botsnack |
| 15:11.33 | apt | :), jetscreamer |
| 15:11.36 | harpal | abrotman: Thanks a lot |
| 15:11.50 | jetscreamer | 2.6.25 iirc |
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| 15:12.25 | gkffjcs | the reason I ask is on the ubuntu side the latest version is using a kernel that vmware doesn't support it complies with errors and then failes when you try to start a vm. |
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| 15:13.13 | gkffjcs | as long as that's not the case you just made your selves a conver back to debian, my first distro btw. |
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| 15:14.42 | screamingbytes | keith4: have you tried with smbclient? |
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| 15:15.24 | keith4 | screamingbytes: i give up. i'll just go login to the damn windoze box |
| 15:16.21 | cr3rzemjest | how do u add a 1 particular command to execute during boot up in proper way? add a script in /etc/init.d with lines #! /blah/sh \n [command] and then update-rc.d ? |
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| 15:17.24 | MrBobBarker | hey, apt-get keeps telling me package cupsys-driver-gutenprint is being held back, I can't get it to update even with running dist-upgrade |
| 15:17.27 | MrBobBarker | what gives? |
| 15:17.30 | MrBobBarker | =/ |
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| 15:17.41 | MrBobBarker | running lenny btw |
| 15:18.32 | screamingbytes | keith4: lol kk |
| 15:18.50 | elzo | install cups-driver-guteprint |
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| 15:19.07 | elzo | cupsys packages were renamed |
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| 15:19.59 | yareckon | hi kids, wondered if anyone could help me make my raid array lose my data? |
| 15:20.03 | yareckon | let me explain.... |
| 15:20.16 | MrBobBarker | ezguy: thanks |
| 15:20.19 | MrBobBarker | elzo: * |
| 15:20.36 | yareckon | short version: made an array, it is messed up, have all of the data elsewhere, want to start over |
| 15:20.40 | MrBobBarker | yareckon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<device> |
| 15:21.01 | yareckon | would rather not spend 70 hours zeroing everything |
| 15:21.31 | yareckon | however after deleting partions on each disk and recreating mdadm still warns when using --create |
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| 15:21.55 | yareckon | that it can see the old structures :mdadm: /dev/sda1 appears to be part of a raid array: |
| 15:22.33 | yareckon | can I run the create option with some sort of switch to tell it to be ruthless and ignore all that stuff? |
| 15:23.15 | yareckon | or do I need to write zeros to 4 x 750 gb disks because linux thinks my data is more valuable than i do? |
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| 15:24.13 | robokop | yareckon: try it with -f or --force |
| 15:24.31 | yareckon | I have already dealt with the superblocks and mdadm.conf and other places where the old raid would be referenced, so it's just doing archaeology on my disks |
| 15:24.44 | jpinx | goes for the windoze solution -- reboot.... |
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| 15:24.56 | yareckon | robokop, so that will make it ignore the old stuff? |
| 15:25.08 | robokop | hopefully yes |
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| 15:25.57 | robokop | i don't know the specific situation, but it seems like a typical situation where you should say `use the --force luke` |
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| 15:26.23 | yareckon | ok, here goes my master |
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| 15:30.51 | yareckon | robokop, ok, looks like it worked, though my device size is only the size of one of the drives currently |
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| 15:31.10 | yareckon | still haven't formatted though, so hopefully that iwll change |
| 15:32.19 | eraldo | any experiences with "Dymo LabelWriter 400" or "Canon Pixma MP 210" and Linux ? |
| 15:33.16 | yareckon | I am going to wait untill all the resyncing is done before formatting the sucker, so I'll report back when things settle down... thanks for the help! |
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| 15:36.44 | robokop | np |
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| 15:37.42 | plb_ | hm..I've installed on a couple other machines and it seems it no longer generates .bashrc? |
| 15:37.50 | smacnay | how are the ATI vid drivers for linux right now? Catching up to the nVidia stuff? |
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| 15:43.39 | Nyle | good orning |
| 15:43.41 | Nyle | +m |
| 15:43.49 | Nyle | smacnay, fantastic |
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| 15:43.53 | _ZeuZ_ | Suppose I want to inspect through Iptables for a known un-hashed un-encrypted text, and when found in a data packet, drop it/mangle it. Any idea how can I do that? |
| 15:43.56 | Nyle | smacnay, 3d works, somewhat buggy |
| 15:44.08 | Nyle | smacnay, radeonhd don't work forme, but radeon does |
| 15:44.29 | Nyle | and fglrx also works, but its not free (btw which drivers were you asking about, free or proprietary?) |
| 15:44.42 | smacnay | thanks - I am keeping up on the ATI stuff - it would be nice to use an open-source driver instead of the nvidia driver I use now. |
| 15:44.48 | Nyle | smacnay, its actually nvidia that needs to worrya bout that shit now |
| 15:45.03 | smacnay | Nyle, I currently use nVidia but am looking at ATI for the next card or computer. |
| 15:45.06 | Nyle | ati is superior in a lot of ways now to the free community as they have made specifications open for thier shit |
| 15:45.21 | Nyle | meaning, #radeon and #radeonhd are working hard to produce a free 3d driver |
| 15:45.28 | smacnay | cool |
| 15:45.33 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle, still in performance using closed-source and prepatched Xorg, nVidia pwns ATI * |
| 15:45.47 | _ZeuZ_ | closed-source a.k.a binary from nVidia |
| 15:45.50 | Nyle | I don't disagree that nvidia has superior drivers and always has |
| 15:45.56 | Nyle | but nvidia is not free |
| 15:46.00 | Nyle | radeon is |
| 15:46.17 | _ZeuZ_ | none of them are free ;) one is cheaper, and has free drivers,the other, is the opposite. |
| 15:46.26 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:46.28 | Nyle | !radeon |
| 15:46.29 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphics processing units by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500 (ie. models up to and including the X1050), use the "radeon" xorg driver and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (all models, usually better 3D performance/features). #radeon @ freenode. See also <radeonhd>. |
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| 15:46.53 | _ZeuZ_ | they won't give you a RADEON card for FREE |
| 15:46.55 | Nyle | freedom is more important |
| 15:47.06 | Nyle | don't be a 'tard ;) |
| 15:47.27 | _ZeuZ_ | that's what YOU said :) |
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| 15:48.22 | Trewas | nothing seems to indicate that nvidia has anything to worry or to think about opening their drivers or specs... intel or ati are nowhere near their performance or feature levels yet, despite being more open about their hardware |
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| 15:49.06 | Nyle | some people prefer freedom over that |
| 15:49.21 | Trewas | sure, I rather like things that work |
| 15:49.22 | Nyle | I wouldn't ever dream of buying nvidia ever again |
| 15:49.38 | Nyle | Trewas, radeon drivers work just as well for everything I do |
| 15:49.44 | Nyle | I have no issues, and I am a hardcore gamer |
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| 15:50.00 | Nyle | I built radeon from git, full 3d accel |
| 15:50.03 | _ZeuZ_ | Is HIGH on nVidia LSD :) |
| 15:50.12 | Nyle | you don't get high on lsd, you trip. |
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| 15:50.17 | Nyle | totally diff experience. |
| 15:50.23 | Nyle | but thats neither here nor there |
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| 16:02.40 | Mounthelp | Hi im having problem mounting my external hdd, it was mounted before somehow its not now, I tried: Mount /dev/sda /mnt/hugehdd and it says I need to include the filesystem |
| 16:03.49 | yareckon | Mounthelp, you need to tell it which partion on /dev/sda, i.e. /dev/sda1 |
| 16:04.02 | Mounthelp | yeah |
| 16:04.04 | Mounthelp | I did that |
| 16:04.22 | Mounthelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.36 | yareckon | ok, what partition are you tryingto mount? |
| 16:04.39 | Mounthelp | I even chmod'd the folder |
| 16:04.51 | yareckon | what filesystem type etc.. |
| 16:04.56 | Mounthelp | all I know its an external hdd, its ext3 |
| 16:05.07 | Mounthelp | It worked fine before |
| 16:05.09 | newsense | use -t ext3 |
| 16:05.17 | Mounthelp | where do I put that ? |
| 16:05.25 | Mounthelp | like what part of the command do I add that |
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| 16:05.37 | yareckon | ok, run fdisk -l to see which partition you are tryingto mount though, or mount will still be confused I think |
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| 16:05.43 | newsense | mount -t ext3 /dev/device /mount/point/ |
| 16:05.47 | bipolar | Mounthelp: 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/hugehdd' |
| 16:05.53 | yareckon | yeah |
| 16:05.57 | yareckon | what they said |
| 16:06.26 | Mounthelp | bash: -t: command not found |
| 16:06.38 | newsense | mount -t ....... |
| 16:07.01 | newsense | mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/hugehdd |
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| 16:07.50 | Mounthelp | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, |
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| 16:08.30 | yareckon | hmm |
| 16:08.33 | yareckon | not so fun |
| 16:08.57 | yareckon | is it possible you have a different filesystem type there? |
| 16:09.07 | Mounthelp | yeah I restarted the computer the other day and I guess it didnt like that at all |
| 16:09.14 | Mounthelp | other than that I havent changed a thing |
| 16:09.14 | olri | newsense: did you meen /dev/sda1 #'''''''''''''''''''''###jkjjjjj |
| 16:09.15 | linkslice | grrr just learned debian uses runlevel 2 as default whooopsy |
| 16:09.19 | yareckon | if not you are looking at some repairs, which I will leave it to others to guide you through |
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| 16:09.25 | newsense | fdisk -l |
| 16:09.29 | yareckon | linkslice, that was eye opening to me as well |
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| 16:10.04 | newsense | olri: fdisk -l what partition type ? |
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| 16:10.44 | yareckon | Mounthelp, what does your /etc/fstab file say? |
| 16:10.58 | Mounthelp | yay its working now, thanks guys, I was doing mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /mnt/hugehdd instead of "/sda1" |
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| 16:11.11 | Mounthelp | because when I did fdisk - l "Sda" was the first thing I seen |
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| 16:11.22 | linkslice | yareckon, at least I'm not the only one :-D |
| 16:11.28 | Mounthelp | I didnt notice the "sda1, sda2" etc |
| 16:11.29 | yareckon | good lord... Mounthelp read numbers |
| 16:11.35 | yareckon | glad it works at least |
| 16:11.37 | Mounthelp | hehe |
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| 16:12.50 | yareckon | linkslice, at least I learned all about init.d when I realized that my redhat knowlege wasn't transferring correctly |
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| 16:14.31 | linkslice | yareckon, yeah, been using linux since red hat was version 5.0 (at least that the earliest version I remember isntalling) and since have been running debian, slack blah blah blah and never ever noticed that default on debian was 2 bit me in the ass this morning when I set postfix to start at runelvel 3 and it didn't come online |
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| 16:15.01 | newsense | yareckon: redhat use inetd ? |
| 16:15.20 | yareckon | init.d not ineitd |
| 16:15.32 | liable | erm, inetd is a service |
| 16:15.33 | newsense | been a while since i ran redhat |
| 16:15.34 | yareckon | I believe all linuxes use it? |
| 16:15.50 | newsense | i dont use it |
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| 16:16.27 | mfaraci | any one used qlogic iscsi host bus adapter under debian etch? need some feadback |
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| 16:17.26 | yareckon | anyway, init.d is a cool system, but I think it's being modified by folks who are working on upstart etc.. to make boot faster |
| 16:17.29 | underandy | What wireless program is best for Asus EEE 900? |
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| 16:18.42 | yareckon | underandy, do you mean which frontend, or are you having driver issues? |
| 16:19.21 | underandy | yareckon just wonder about a program |
| 16:19.24 | underandy | like wifi radar or something |
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| 16:19.56 | yareckon | I don't have the EEE900, so I don't know if others will be able to talk to that, but I like wicd myself |
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| 16:20.10 | yareckon | written in perl I believe and not in the debian repos |
| 16:20.26 | yareckon | though they run their own debian repo |
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| 16:20.43 | yareckon | it's a great gui for wired and wireless network configuration |
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| 16:20.52 | Nyle | what is |
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| 16:21.07 | yareckon | wicd, but it conflicts with network manager on gnome |
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| 16:21.41 | yareckon | make sure you have the network manager debs stored locally so that if you hate it, you can change back without having to get online :) |
| 16:21.49 | sophacles_work | hi all, found a bug, not sure how to classify/report it: i installed testing on a pc last nite. it detected the hdd (ide) as hdb1 and installed there just fine. at boot, the kernel could not find hdb1, so poking around in the initramfs shell revealed that the hd was detected as sda1. changing the kernel cmd line in grub made the thing happily boot. is this a d-i bug or ?? |
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| 16:22.04 | yareckon | course you could get back online with the commandline, but if your messing around with GUI tools, what fun is that? |
| 16:22.10 | unixSnob | wonders if Mounthelp should have tried '-t auto' |
| 16:22.16 | karsten | Once again, what's KDE's answer to f-spot? |
| 16:25.12 | asg | karsten: having a hard time finding the g-spot? |
| 16:25.43 | eraldo | any experiences with "Dymo LabelWriter 400" or "Canon Pixma MP 210" and Linux ? |
| 16:25.49 | sophacles_work | karsten: digikam |
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| 16:26.58 | mistern0th1ng | eraldo: I do not have experience with either, but I think you will be better served if you provide us with a more direct question. |
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| 16:27.19 | eraldo | mistern0th1ng: well I don' |
| 16:27.39 | eraldo | t have a labeling system, but I need to buy one... |
| 16:27.58 | underandy | yareckon, how can I turn of networkmanager? |
| 16:27.58 | mistern0th1ng | eraldo: What kind of information are you looking for? What is your ideal end result? |
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| 16:28.00 | eraldo | that's why I asked if there are any positive experiences |
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| 16:28.47 | eraldo | I need a labeling system (that works under linux) for labeling file folders |
| 16:29.26 | eraldo | I am looking for a label printer that works with linux... not beeing that A4 label sheet kind |
| 16:30.23 | plundra | eraldo: Zebras are fine, atleast some are, so probably all of them :-P |
| 16:30.42 | mistern0th1ng | eraldo: Check out the Open Printing DB's information on the Dymo LW400 @ http://tiny.cc/2vbb6 |
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| 16:32.50 | dcestari | anyone could help me? I'm having a problem with gnome, there are no close, minimize or maximize buttons on metacity, and gnome has a weird windows 98 look. |
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| 16:33.34 | maligor | gnome-settings-daemon borked? |
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| 16:33.54 | dcestari | maligor: I guess, should I reinstall it? |
| 16:34.20 | maligor | well, I doubt that'd help much |
| 16:34.31 | eraldo | mistern0th1ng: I did... just wanted to ask some further questions to make sure that's what I'm looking for... |
| 16:34.38 | maligor | what might help is removing your desktop settings, but dunno |
| 16:34.54 | mistern0th1ng | eraldo: Understood, sorry I cannot be of more help |
| 16:35.33 | yareckon | underandy, you can just uninstall it or install wicd instead (which conflicts and will ask you if it should uninstall network mananger during install) |
| 16:35.47 | dcestari | maligor: I created a new user with empty /home/, just the stuff at /etc/skel, and same thing, no minimize or maximize, nor close buttons |
| 16:35.56 | yareckon | apt-get remove network-manager (or whatever the package name is for it) |
| 16:36.12 | eraldo | mistern0th1ng: still I appreciate your effort :) |
| 16:36.26 | yareckon | course, you should carefully look to see if any dependant packages that you need will also vaporize :) |
| 16:36.34 | mistern0th1ng | eraldo: You're welcome |
| 16:36.46 | maligor | dcestari, dunno then, the gtk theming is atleast handled by gnome-settings-daemon, not really sure about metacity |
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| 16:37.10 | dcestari | maligor: well, thanks anyway, this is really weird. |
| 16:37.41 | yareckon | gotta go to lunch |
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| 16:39.42 | dcestari | anyone have ever got a problem with metacity not showing minimize, maximize and close buttons? |
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| 16:44.05 | gonzaloaf | hi, could you tell me why is the famd taking 100% of my cpu? this is the output of 'top': 2955 gonzalo 20 0 3620 1276 688 R 100 0.1 1012:39 famd |
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| 16:48.48 | gkffjcs_ | hi all, I just ran a dist upgrade, but if failed, with many errors, I tried dpkg --configure -a and also apt-get -f install, and cannot get it to complete, the system is more or less working, but appearantly all of my icons have been removed, along with window borders and a lot of stuff that is usually needed to run a system. |
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| 16:49.12 | Sebby | i`m trying to compile something wich needs curses or ncurses and i think i have it installed but when i try to compile it keep fails saying that i don`t have curses or ncurses |
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| 16:49.19 | Sebby | can someone help? |
| 16:49.40 | maligor | install the dev package too |
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| 16:50.08 | janis | hi there!! Is it possible to run debian with a root partition which is actually a file on ntfs ? |
| 16:50.27 | janis | What changes should I do in initramfs? Is there some ready package? |
| 16:50.33 | Sebby | this is what i did apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 16:50.44 | Sebby | and says that i allredy have it |
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| 16:51.57 | j_pinx | do we have an apt-get install for PHP yet? |
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| 16:52.23 | exobyte | I have a network interface that's set to use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces. It gets an IP address when it boots, but later, when I do ps aux | grep dhclient, I don't see anything (my system doesn't have pump on it). My only guess is that the dhcp server was down when dhclient sent a request, so it exited. How can I make sure dhclient stays running? |
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| 16:57.46 | mloskot | Hi, is there anyone who could assist me about compiling programs with libhdf5 packages on Lenny? |
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| 17:01.36 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just bought the brand new Samsung SyncMaster T220 monitor. Unfortunately it seems as if it is flickering a bit. I wonder if it got something to do with refresh rate. Suggestions ? |
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| 17:03.09 | defrysk | Jemt, the refresh rate is in your monitor-book |
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| 17:04.58 | Trewas | LCDs don't flicker because of refresh rate, if it does there is some other problem |
| 17:05.34 | n3kl | Anyone heard of openvpn running on a xen vm? |
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| 17:07.19 | stew | i was supposed to set that up last night, but was lazy |
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| 17:08.20 | n3kl | stew: openvpn? |
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| 17:10.13 | stew | n3kl: openvpn on a xen instance |
| 17:10.19 | n3kl | hmm |
| 17:10.41 | n3kl | I need to rearrange my internal network, but my gateway is running my openvpn and its very stable |
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| 17:10.48 | n3kl | I just wonder if it will be as stable in a xen vm |
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| 17:11.12 | stew | i'd be suprised if it was any different |
| 17:11.21 | hoxu | Is there any reason why one shouldn't use tmpfs for /tmp? |
| 17:11.50 | dalias | if you don't have any swap space, then it will tie up physical mem to use tmpfs for /tmp |
| 17:11.51 | n3kl | hoxu: I wouldn't on a machine with a small amount of memory |
| 17:12.41 | hoxu | n3kl, ah well, apart from memory issues... although even in that case I guess you could have some swap so if memory gets low the /tmp contents get swapped too? :) |
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| 17:13.16 | dalias | on a system tight for disk space it's an issue |
| 17:13.19 | dalias | like my eeepc :) |
| 17:13.20 | n3kl | hoxu: I assume so, but I couldn't be certain |
| 17:13.41 | dalias | you don't want to commit lots of flash space to swap |
| 17:13.47 | dalias | (actually not any) |
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| 17:14.09 | dalias | it's better to just have /tmp on the actual ext3 fs and then you only use what space is really needed |
| 17:14.20 | Jemt | defrysk & Trevie : Actually I suspect my gfxcard to deliver a poor result. My Mac Mini delivers a very nice image |
| 17:14.43 | Jemt | (two different computers - the first one is an IBM X31 with an ATI graphics card |
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| 17:19.49 | Sebby | i try to compile a program wich needs CURSES or NCURSES and i have bouth installed but the program fails on compiling saying that i don`t have CURSES or NCURSES |
| 17:19.59 | Sebby | need help |
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| 17:20.38 | petemc | !ncurses |
| 17:20.38 | dpkg | methinks ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 17:21.09 | Sebby | hmm |
| 17:21.14 | Sebby | apt-get install libncurses5-dev i`ve did |
| 17:21.27 | Sebby | and says that i allredy have it |
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| 17:21.57 | Sebby | libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. |
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| 17:22.09 | Sebby | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:23.32 | abrotman | maybe show us the actual error ? |
| 17:23.57 | The_PHP_Jedi | Sup y'all? I'm unable to download Debian's net install image for some reason. The mirror that the main download page redirects me to returns a 404, and browsing through other mirrors, such as OSUOSL's, just returns empty directory listings for all images. :-/ |
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| 17:24.16 | stew | The_PHP_Jedi: use 4.0r4a instead of 4.0r4 |
| 17:24.19 | Sebby | [*] Creating Menu, please wait. |
| 17:24.19 | Sebby | This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. |
| 17:24.33 | Sebby | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 1 |
| 17:25.00 | The_PHP_Jedi | stew, will do. |
| 17:25.50 | The_PHP_Jedi | stew, that's the image it's trying to download. http://gensho.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4-i386-netinst.iso returns a 404. |
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| 17:26.41 | stew | The_PHP_Jedi: debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:26.42 | The_PHP_Jedi | stew, nevermind. There's a missing 'a' in the file name in that URL. *curses mirror redirect script* |
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| 17:26.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | Thanks :) |
| 17:27.18 | stew | i was trying to ask #-www about that yesterday, but couldn't find a response, i guess i'll file a bug |
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| 17:28.06 | The_PHP_Jedi | Ah. |
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| 17:29.37 | stew | oh, it was just fixed on the main site, so the next mirror pulse should fix the mirrors |
| 17:30.40 | The_PHP_Jedi | Awesome. I'll be running off to install it on the server now :) |
| 17:30.44 | abrotman | ever find out why there is an 'a' version at all ? |
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| 17:30.59 | stew | abrotman: i didn't |
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| 17:31.04 | stew | though i didn't really persue it |
| 17:31.19 | abrotman | threatens to send stew to a baseball game |
| 17:31.27 | HazzTheSpazz | can I just completely remove debian and grub so it just boots windows when I turn it on? I don't use debian anymore really |
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| 17:31.53 | abrotman | HazzTheSpazz: ask ##windows |
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| 17:32.10 | The_PHP_Jedi | HazzTheSpazz, you could, but you'd need to re-install GRUB if you wanted to use Debian or another OS. You could just set GRUB to default to Windows and have a very short time out (a second or two) |
| 17:32.12 | HazzTheSpazz | why, this has to do with debian |
| 17:32.16 | ai3gtmc | hi |
| 17:32.18 | milosz_ | when creating packages, how does one split the main package and the -dev package for a library? |
| 17:32.27 | ai3gtmc | is debian good for a beginner? |
| 17:32.30 | HazzTheSpazz | The_PHP_Jedi ok |
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| 17:32.36 | HazzTheSpazz | ai3gtmc yes |
| 17:32.38 | TeraBiT | hey, I kinda forgotten my root password, how can I reset it? Even single user mode prompts me for current root pw |
| 17:32.52 | ai3gtmc | hmm ok I'll get it then :) |
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| 17:32.58 | wols_ | TeraBiT: live cd and chroot to your system |
| 17:32.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | ai3gtmc, it's good, but if you're a /very/ beginner, I'd recommend Ubuntu. :) |
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| 17:33.07 | wols_ | !forgot root password |
| 17:33.07 | dpkg | i guess ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 17:33.13 | ai3gtmc | The_PHP_Jedi,I used many distros before ;) |
| 17:33.25 | ai3gtmc | but still mark myself as beginner :P |
| 17:33.39 | abrotman | HazzTheSpazz: it really doesn't have much to do with Debian at all .. you're basically asking how you can restore the windows bootloader and have windows use the HDD space currently used by debian |
| 17:33.40 | The_PHP_Jedi | ai3gtmc, then you'll love Debian. It's the perfect combination of usability and non-bloatedness. :) |
| 17:33.55 | ai3gtmc | cool then :) |
| 17:34.03 | exobyte | The_PHP_Jedi: it's like the took ubuntu and stipped out a bunch of stuff |
| 17:34.03 | wols_ | ai3gtmc: more importantly, what do you want from your distro= |
| 17:34.04 | wols_ | ? |
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| 17:34.25 | TeraBiT | wols_: I'm sorry, but would you e so kind as to give me a link to the live cd? I don't know which is the right one. Also I've never used "chroot" before :S Kinda new to nix |
| 17:34.37 | The_PHP_Jedi | exobyte, actually, Ubuntu's based off Debian. Ubuntu just bloated it with many tools and packages to make it easier for beginners and regular users. |
| 17:34.37 | HazzTheSpazz | well you can only do partition and grub stuff from debian really |
| 17:34.38 | j_pinx | HazztheSpazz - delete your debian partitions and reinstall windows - it'll grab your whole hdd |
| 17:34.49 | wols_ | TeraBiT: any live cd. knoppix, ubuntu, grml etc |
| 17:34.52 | exobyte | The_PHP_Jedi: damn this irc sarcasm protocol. |
| 17:34.57 | abrotman | HazzTheSpazz: not true at all |
| 17:35.02 | ai3gtmc | wols_,hmm not much I want to start developing,lamp,etc dev stuff |
| 17:35.08 | HazzTheSpazz | I don't have a windows cd, the computer came with xp |
| 17:35.16 | HazzTheSpazz | meh windows will probably recognize the space |
| 17:35.17 | abrotman | !fixmbr |
| 17:35.18 | dpkg | To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
| 17:35.27 | abrotman | wrong fixmbr .. silly bot |
| 17:35.36 | abrotman | HazzTheSpazz: seriously .. ask ##windows |
| 17:35.37 | ai3gtmc | I already have ubuntu but I kinda messed it up.. so I want to change distro |
| 17:35.39 | ai3gtmc | :) |
| 17:35.46 | HazzTheSpazz | k |
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| 17:35.51 | abrotman | HazzTheSpazz: the things you need to do have to be bahhhhhhhhh |
| 17:35.53 | j_pinx | HazztheSpazz - use whatever partition manager you like and re-allocate your linux partitions to vfat or whatever |
| 17:36.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | exobyte, sarcasm? |
| 17:36.14 | The_PHP_Jedi | exobyte, oh... hah. Just use the ^ character to denote sarcasm ;) |
| 17:36.15 | ai3gtmc | what's the difference of the 650MB version thant the 4.4GB version? |
| 17:36.23 | milosz_ | around 3.8GB |
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| 17:36.40 | The_PHP_Jedi | Anyways, I'm off. Cheers. |
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| 17:37.06 | HazzTheSpazz | what partition is grub on? |
| 17:37.12 | HazzTheSpazz | the debian partition? |
| 17:37.24 | abrotman | HazzTheSpazz: the things you need to do have to be done from windows |
| 17:37.30 | ai3gtmc | oh wait that the.. debian is 3dvds? |
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| 17:37.45 | HazzTheSpazz | I'm just asking wich partition grub is on |
| 17:37.53 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: the bootloader? |
| 17:37.56 | HazzTheSpazz | there's a 227 mb one, the deb one, and windows one |
| 17:37.57 | HazzTheSpazz | yeah |
| 17:37.58 | ai3gtmc | is this for real?.. |
| 17:38.01 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: or the binaries used to install the bootloader? |
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| 17:38.17 | ai3gtmc | or am i getting this wrong?.. |
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| 17:38.33 | abrotman | ai3gtmc: you don't need all three .. most people use the netinst |
| 17:38.37 | HazzTheSpazz | I'm gonna remove the debian partition, but I wanna keep grub on for booting windows incase it won't work without it |
| 17:38.42 | stew | ai3gtmc: that contains every possible available package. you wouldn't need them all for installing unless you were installing to a machine that coulndn't get on the internet to install software after the install |
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| 17:39.01 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: then you'd need to keep whatever partition contains /boot (since that is where the grub files are) |
| 17:39.07 | ai3gtmc | abrotman,is it easy? I mean do I need to like have the location and stuff ready? |
| 17:39.12 | HazzTheSpazz | that's on debian |
| 17:39.16 | j_pinx | HazztheSpazz - you really need to talk to ##windows |
| 17:39.22 | HazzTheSpazz | no i don't |
| 17:39.29 | HazzTheSpazz | what does windows have to do with uninstalling debian? |
| 17:39.35 | slayton | when compiling a binary using the standard procedure (./configure, make) I get a binary named X is there anyway that when I package the binary into a deb I can get the binary renamed to something like MyPrefix-X? |
| 17:39.41 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: if all you were going to boot is windows then you could make the windows partition the first bootable partition and use the mbr package to put a generic bootloader in your mbr |
| 17:39.44 | HazzTheSpazz | windows being left is just a side thing |
| 17:39.52 | HazzTheSpazz | ok |
| 17:40.05 | juc0 | The current versions of amsn in aptitude don't connect to the MSN network anymore. Any idea how to install the latest version? Other than doing so from source |
| 17:40.06 | HazzTheSpazz | so is that all stuff I do from some cd |
| 17:40.11 | HazzTheSpazz | or debian or something |
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| 17:40.14 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: from debian |
| 17:40.16 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed nvidia drivers following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-337f90d1f5d7baf630273562556bb3feac6e98b0 , but I have the error that 'nvidia' is not loaded, how can I solve that? |
| 17:40.16 | ai3gtmc | oh noes.. The requested URL /debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4-i386-netinst.iso was not found on this server. |
| 17:40.24 | HazzTheSpazz | guess I'll reset and load debian |
| 17:40.24 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: if using the 'mbr' package works you could then get rid of all your linux partitions |
| 17:40.27 | ai3gtmc | I can't download it.. |
| 17:40.36 | stew | ai3gtmc: use debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:40.40 | HazzTheSpazz | mbr? what is that anyway |
| 17:40.46 | stew | !mbr |
| 17:40.46 | dpkg | hmm... mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr> |
| 17:40.50 | ai3gtmc | stew,where is that?.. |
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| 17:41.03 | ai3gtmc | oh got it |
| 17:41.05 | ai3gtmc | thanks |
| 17:41.06 | stew | ai3gtmc: in /debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd |
| 17:41.10 | HazzTheSpazz | oh, i can do it with dos. cool |
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| 17:42.16 | tweakism | I want to apply this patch http://rafb.net/p/GGHW0J23.html which is distributed with the rxvt-unicode debian source package. I tried copying it to debian/patches and adding it to debian/patches/series but it fails with this error http://rafb.net/p/R5yoQ740.html |
| 17:42.48 | HazzTheSpazz | meh, I guess my 17 GB is enough space, I'll leave debian, I might need it again |
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| 17:43.32 | ai3gtmc | stew,what should I have in ready before i boot this cd? |
| 17:43.33 | tweakism | hrm, it looks like it really is applying, and to the correct file. perhaps the patch is just out of date? I kind of imagine it's not.. lots of people seem to apply it. |
| 17:43.42 | ai3gtmc | I mean do I need like mirrors and stuff? |
| 17:44.14 | stew | ai3gtmc: no the cd has a list of mirrors. you can read the install guide: /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:44.31 | ai3gtmc | ok |
| 17:44.35 | HazzTheSpazz | if I delete the partition with my bootloader on it, what would happen if I turned the computer on and off? |
| 17:44.37 | ai3gtmc | thanks |
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| 17:45.49 | HazzTheSpazz | if I get a new HDD what kind should I get? |
| 17:46.16 | maligor | the correct kind |
| 17:46.25 | HazzTheSpazz | there's ones like raid and some others, wich one is cheapest but still works right |
| 17:46.50 | dFence | yay... i've a couple of apps that just segfault right after i call them, so i think the problem might be a corrupt lib or so... is there a way i can trace the prog? (i.e. debug? ;D) don't have gdb here, it's an embedded device |
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| 17:47.01 | maligor | the raid versions have shorter timeouts in errors or something like that |
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| 17:47.14 | HazzTheSpazz | I'll probably be getting a 100GB, or maybe a 50GB if I have too, like anythung under $90 |
| 17:47.20 | HazzTheSpazz | or 100 |
| 17:47.30 | maligor | uhhuh, you can get 500 under $90 |
| 17:47.50 | HazzTheSpazz | 500GB under $90? |
| 17:47.52 | HazzTheSpazz | awesome |
| 17:47.59 | abrotman | !ot |
| 17:47.59 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 17:48.01 | HazzTheSpazz | I guessed it would be more, lol |
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| 17:49.35 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: if you are using grub, and delete the partition containing /boot, grub would fail to start when you turn the computer o |
| 17:50.03 | HazzTheSpazz | so nothing would boot and I'd have to reinstall grub from a cd? |
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| 17:52.14 | slayton | would a simple command like " mv ../debian/<package>/usr/bin/X ../debian/<package/MyPrefix-X" placed at the end of my rules file do the trick for renaming a binary file? |
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| 17:53.57 | lrp | hello again |
| 17:54.28 | gkffjcs | what is the netatalk service? |
| 17:54.29 | stew | HazzTheSpazz: yes, or replace grub with a different bootloader (like, for instance, running fdisk /mbr from dos) |
| 17:54.55 | zyx386 | i have xfce as Desktop, but everytime if i run 'aptitude' receive gnome update?!! |
| 17:55.06 | HazzTheSpazz | my dos thing doesn't have fdisk, lol |
| 17:55.10 | stew | gkffjcs: appletalk |
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| 17:55.38 | HazzTheSpazz | people are atill using appletalk? why |
| 17:55.42 | zyx386 | and my sources.list is nothing about gnome API !! what is wrong? |
| 17:55.52 | gkffjcs | I really don't need that, and I cannot finish an upgrade with it, can I safely remove it? |
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| 17:55.56 | amphi | does lenny's dict-devil work for anyone? |
| 17:57.49 | lrp | hey pals do you know if this is all rigth ? http://paste.debian.net/14071/ |
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| 17:58.37 | terfy | good afternoon people |
| 17:58.40 | stew | zyx386: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:58.51 | stew | gkffjcs: why can't you finish an upgrade with it? |
| 17:59.35 | zyx386 | stew, just aptitude |
| 18:00.00 | lrp | [stew] how are you doing |
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| 18:00.31 | lrp | [stew] may you take a look to what i have pasted , if you dont mind of course ;-) |
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| 18:00.36 | gkffjcs | the service won't start apt says something like dpkg subprocess returned errors and then fails, I tried dpkg --configure -a and thst didn't help |
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| 18:01.42 | gkffjcs | I removed it and now every thing seems to be fine. I have to admit this has been the dist-upgrade from hell. |
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| 18:02.23 | stew | gkffjcs: what version are you upgrading to? |
| 18:02.51 | stew | zyx386: you type "aptitude" and hit enter and it starts downloading files? |
| 18:03.23 | gkffjcs | lenny, from etch |
| 18:04.13 | zyx386 | no stew in aptitude window with shift+u show me the update list, *gnome |
| 18:05.06 | stew | zyx386: and why do you think that gnome should not be upgraded? |
| 18:05.53 | zyx386 | because stew i have no gnome package and don't use it, have XFCE desktop |
| 18:06.20 | stew | zyx386: what is an example of a package it is upgrading that you think it should't be upgrading? |
| 18:07.15 | zyx386 | stew, i have no gnome desktop and will no gnome, why gnome will be upgraded?! |
| 18:07.38 | stew | zyx386: are you talking about the package named "gnome"? |
| 18:07.58 | zyx386 | !gnome |
| 18:07.58 | dpkg | i guess gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome, or ask me about <gnome status> |
| 18:08.02 | gkffjcs | allright after about two hours of removing, reinstalling, upgrading, dpkg --configure -a(ing), I finally have it all upgraded and was able to run /etc/init.d/gdm start and everything seems fine., woohpf. |
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| 18:08.05 | zyx386 | ^^ |
| 18:08.38 | stew | zyx386: is the package that it is trying to upgrade named "gnome"? |
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| 18:08.47 | zyx386 | yes |
| 18:08.48 | zamba | i have the debian install cd and i need to install a boot loader on my primary hard drive (which in fact is a compact flash).. how can i use this cd to do that? |
| 18:08.56 | stew | zyx386: show us the output of "apt-cache policy gnome" |
| 18:08.57 | DASPRiD | for /etc/exports, is this the correct syntax to define multiple allowed hostnames in the ACL? /mnt/data5 dasprid-desktop(subtree_check,rw,async) laufer(subtree_check,ro,async) |
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| 18:09.23 | zamba | the rescue mode only launches a new install |
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| 18:10.02 | fluxdude | how is it that debian has amd64 xen kernel when I compile a kernel from souce it seems that Xen is only an option when compiling for a xen-compatible architecture and x86? |
| 18:10.06 | zyx386 | stew, http://paste.debian.net/14072/ |
| 18:10.29 | fluxdude | anyone know the state of xen on amd64 then especially for my own compiled kernels? |
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| 18:12.20 | stew | zyx386: try the "forget pending actions" item in the actions menu |
| 18:13.10 | stew | zyx386: and it must be actually installing a new package named gnome not upgrading a package named gnome, right? |
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| 18:13.41 | zyx386 | stew, i will no gnome be installed on the disk |
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| 18:14.26 | nohelphere | i wonder if my usb wifi adapter woudl work ni debian |
| 18:14.41 | zyx386 | with *forget pendding action* solved for one time, by next update is gnome again in the upgrade list :( |
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| 18:15.49 | nohelphere | it works in archlinux |
| 18:15.58 | abrotman | nohelphere: which chipset? |
| 18:16.01 | nohelphere | and its an ralink dveice |
| 18:16.05 | nohelphere | ralink chipset |
| 18:16.16 | stew | zyx386: is desktop-base installed? |
| 18:16.16 | abrotman | there are numerous .. i'm sure it can be made to work |
| 18:17.15 | zyx386 | stew, no |
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| 18:18.14 | zyx386 | sorry stew http://paste.debian.net/14074/ |
| 18:18.20 | zyx386 | is installed |
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| 18:19.48 | stew | zyx386: is the "xfce4" package installed? |
| 18:20.06 | stew | desktop-base Suggests: gnome | kde | xfce4 | wmaker |
| 18:20.32 | zyx386 | stew xfce4 is installed |
| 18:20.37 | nohelphere | wonders how exactly to get the usb dongle working |
| 18:20.52 | nohelphere | wonders if the driver woudl fit on a floppy disk |
| 18:20.58 | abrotman | !tell nohelphere about ralink |
| 18:21.03 | stew | zyx386: you could remove the desktop-base package and see if that makes a difference |
| 18:21.16 | zyx386 | ok stew thanx very much |
| 18:21.46 | stew | zyx386: you mean the actually package named 'xfce4' and not just packages like 'xfce4-session' right? |
| 18:21.49 | nohelphere | grr |
| 18:21.59 | nohelphere | that incolves movign the system to a lan copnnection -.- |
| 18:22.05 | n3kl | anyone know why cacti would not display graph titles? Apache reports there is a missing font or something, but I can't figure out how to correct it |
| 18:22.18 | zyx386 | stew, xfce4 and xfce4-session is installed |
| 18:23.08 | zyx386 | stew, i remove desktop base but have again gnome in upgradeable package again |
| 18:23.22 | zyx386 | http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1300/57124891ct0.png |
| 18:23.27 | abrotman | nohelphere: yes .. which is probably a far easier thing to do than whatever you were planning :) |
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| 18:24.09 | stew | zyx386: that just says there is a package in the gnome section that is upgradable, not that a package named 'gnome' is upgradable |
| 18:24.10 | nohelphere | abrotman, probably |
| 18:24.16 | Nenillo | hi I have a soundcard on board (CS 4614/22/24/30), what I need to do to be recognized by the system? |
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| 18:24.46 | zyx386 | stew, wow thanx, i'm so stupid |
| 18:26.10 | zyx386 | :) |
| 18:26.18 | nohelphere | zyx386, your not stupid |
| 18:26.44 | ixnay | does gnome / ati have any tool for autodetecting a secondary monitor? |
| 18:27.01 | zyx386 | nohelphere, i run the upgrade the gnome will be installed again F***k |
| 18:27.29 | zyx386 | i must remove it again |
| 18:27.37 | nohelphere | isn't there a way to exclude packages? |
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| 18:28.48 | zyx386 | nohelphere, but i have debian xfce, why every time become gnome upgrade and update every time |
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| 18:29.05 | zyx386 | ??!!! |
| 18:29.05 | zyx386 | stew, i run the upgrade the gnome well be installed again :( |
| 18:29.12 | zyx386 | is no way to exclude the gnome on my pc? |
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| 18:30.15 | abrotman | nohelphere: exclude what and why? |
| 18:30.33 | zyx386 | nohelphere, u r right i'm not stupid |
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| 18:31.09 | abrotman | zyx386: whole words please |
| 18:31.09 | stew | zyx386: what package is being upgraded? |
| 18:31.14 | zyx386 | abrotman, have debian xfce , but every time with aptitude installed gnome automaticly, how can exclude it |
| 18:31.16 | nohelphere | abrotman, i was talkign to zyx386 since i thought there was a way to exclude a package from being installed |
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| 18:31.25 | stew | zyx386: all you have told me so far is that some package in the gnome section |
| 18:31.40 | abrotman | zyx386: show us all the output |
| 18:31.41 | zyx386 | steven_, i say gnome Dektop complet |
| 18:31.44 | zyx386 | all packages |
| 18:32.06 | zyx386 | abrotman, which outbut |
| 18:32.11 | screamingbytes | xfce :) |
| 18:32.21 | abrotman | zyx386: from the command you're triyng to run |
| 18:32.25 | zyx386 | abrotman, http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1300/57124891ct0.png |
| 18:32.34 | abrotman | uhm .. hardly |
| 18:32.44 | abrotman | so remove gnome? |
| 18:33.01 | zyx386 | but i remove today too |
| 18:33.09 | zyx386 | if run apptitude |
| 18:33.14 | zyx386 | installed again |
| 18:33.43 | stew | zyx386: hit enter on "gnome" in that image, and see what the actual package name is |
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| 18:33.56 | stew | 14:24 < stew> zyx386: that just says there is a package in the gnome section that is upgradable, not that a package named 'gnome' is upgradable |
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| 18:34.30 | zyx386 | stew, but i run aptitude ang gnome is now again installed |
| 18:34.35 | daviddddd | which the serial of Debian? |
| 18:34.41 | zyx386 | lenny |
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| 18:35.34 | zyx386 | how can i remove it for ever gnome!! |
| 18:35.48 | zyx386 | aptitude purge gnome do nothing |
| 18:36.03 | daviddddd | which the serial of Debian? |
| 18:36.14 | zyx386 | LENNY |
| 18:36.36 | screamingbytes | zyx386: try using apt-get |
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| 18:37.05 | screamingbytes | zyx386: and not aptitude, aptitude might be messing up on the gnome fake package |
| 18:37.09 | daviddddd | which the serial of Debian??????????????????????? |
| 18:37.11 | jonkri | zyx386: the question is how you can remove gnome temporarily |
| 18:37.30 | jonkri | daviddddd: i don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:37.34 | screamingbytes | abrotman: what is the technical name for packages that don't contain anything but point to a collection of packages |
| 18:37.55 | abrotman | metapackage or task |
| 18:38.01 | abrotman | daviddddd: stop it already |
| 18:38.19 | zyx386 | screamingbytes, what is defreence between aptitude and aptitude? |
| 18:38.21 | daviddddd | what? |
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| 18:38.31 | screamingbytes | abrotman: k, thank you. I think he installed the gnome metapackage, and now when trying to remove it through aptitude it isn't working. |
| 18:38.39 | stew | zyx386: what is the name of the package you are talking about, it is not "gnome" |
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| 18:38.46 | screamingbytes | zyx386: apt-get and aptitude |
| 18:38.52 | stew | zyx386: its something in the gnome section, but the packag ename is not gnome |
| 18:38.53 | tome | daviddddd: what is your question? You want to know which version of debian you are running? |
| 18:38.57 | zyx386 | stew, gnome |
| 18:39.00 | stew | zyx386: no |
| 18:39.07 | mistern0th1ng | daviddddd: What do you mean by serial? |
| 18:39.09 | stew | zyx386: how do you know the name is gnome? |
| 18:39.18 | screamingbytes | _stew: he's using the metapackage gnome in aptitude |
| 18:39.31 | stew | screamingbytes: no he's not |
| 18:39.38 | zyx386 | screamingbytes, what |
| 18:39.43 | zyx386 | i have no gnome |
| 18:40.14 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.30 | stew | screamingbytes: no the section is called gnome |
| 18:40.47 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.51 | zyx386 | any solution? |
| 18:40.57 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.03 | stew | zyx386: what is the name of the package? |
| 18:41.08 | stew | zyx386: show us the output of "aptitude search '~i~sgnome'" |
| 18:41.08 | zyx386 | gnome |
| 18:41.12 | mistern0th1ng | zyx386: Have you tried removing xorg? |
| 18:41.18 | zyx386 | no |
| 18:41.22 | stew | mistern0th1ng: why would he want to? |
| 18:41.22 | screamingbytes | zyx386: your screen shot doesn't show the package name brother |
| 18:41.23 | zyx386 | why xorg |
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| 18:42.18 | mistern0th1ng | stew: I thought if he removed xorg, which gnome is dependent on, it'd pick that up and get rid of gnome for him. |
| 18:43.01 | screamingbytes | Isn't there a Gnome metapackage? |
| 18:43.17 | screamingbytes | that installs all of the common/necessary packages to run Gnome? |
| 18:43.33 | stew | screamingbytes: there is, he doesn't wnat gnome |
| 18:43.44 | screamingbytes | he's trying to remove it isn't he |
| 18:44.00 | screamingbytes | so he should be able to use apt-get remove gnome or something |
| 18:44.01 | zyx386 | i remove again all gnome package |
| 18:44.04 | stew | screamingbytes: no |
| 18:44.08 | zyx386 | and try aptitude aain |
| 18:44.12 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.15 | zyx386 | *again |
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| 18:44.18 | stew | zyx386: how did you remove all gnome packages? |
| 18:44.32 | zyx386 | with synpatic |
| 18:44.48 | zyx386 | because aptitude and apt-get dont finde anything |
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| 18:47.09 | stew | zyx386: show us the output of "aptitude search '~i~sgnome'" |
| 18:47.15 | bAndie9100 | hi all |
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| 18:47.33 | stew | zyx386: or just hit enter on the "gnome" line in aptitude from that screenshot you told us |
| 18:47.34 | bAndie9100 | how can i add acpi support to my kernel? |
| 18:47.34 | zamba | i have debian running on a single hard drive.. i now want to set the whole system up on raid-1.. how can i go about doing this? i'm aware that i have to exclude swap from this setup |
| 18:47.42 | stew | zyx386: which would tell you the name of the package that is being upgraded |
| 18:47.50 | stew | zyx386: (and the name of the package is NOT 'gnome') |
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| 18:47.56 | exobyte | zamba: why would you have to exclude swap? |
| 18:48.10 | zyx386 | stew, i remove all gnome package again |
| 18:48.13 | zamba | exobyte: no point in putting swap in raid-1? |
| 18:48.18 | zamba | exobyte: or is it? |
| 18:48.22 | zamba | slower writes |
| 18:48.27 | exobyte | zamba: unless you have hardware raid and you have to |
| 18:48.30 | zyx386 | stew, http://paste.debian.net/14079/plain/14079 |
| 18:48.34 | exobyte | zamba: they shouldn't be slower |
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| 18:48.49 | exobyte | zamba: and setting up software raid is nuts |
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| 18:48.51 | zamba | exobyte: i have hardware raid on this, but i prefer using software raid |
| 18:49.03 | zamba | oh? you mean i should go for hardware raid instead? |
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| 18:49.11 | exobyte | zamba: if the controller is supported, yeah |
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| 18:49.25 | zack23 | how can I download a package through apt-get and see how they created the .deb file? |
| 18:49.38 | stew | zyx386: so the package that aptitude is trying to upgrade is not gnome, but one of the packages from that list |
| 18:49.38 | justin | zack23: apt-get source |
| 18:49.51 | zamba | exobyte: but isn't the problem with hardware raid that if the controller breaks, the whole raid is permanently broken and lost? |
| 18:50.07 | zack23 | justin: thank you |
| 18:50.23 | zyx386 | stew, no gnome is completly installed, with gdm and all |
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| 18:50.49 | stew | zyx386: no, it isn't, unless you installed it in the last coupld of minutes |
| 18:50.52 | exobyte | zamba: with raid 1, the drives should still have the contents in a readable format |
| 18:50.58 | zamba | exobyte: ok |
| 18:51.00 | exobyte | zamba: *should* |
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| 18:51.30 | exobyte | zamba: most controllers can mirror a disk where raid wasn't set up, before |
| 18:52.03 | zyx386 | stew, i remove all package with gnome and aptitude now worked fine, if happen next time again let you know :) thanx for everything |
| 18:52.05 | zamba | where has 'lspci' gone to? |
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| 18:52.25 | stew | zamba: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:52.48 | newsense | pciutils ? |
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| 18:52.55 | stew | zyx386: so gnome is completely installed now that you have removed it? |
| 18:53.02 | stew | whatever, best of luck |
| 18:53.10 | zyx386 | ok |
| 18:53.46 | zamba | exobyte: i have a intel 82801GR/GH raid controller |
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| 18:54.51 | zyx386 | stew, but how can remove all package with gnome applet or gnome common, i will remove all about gnome |
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| 18:56.02 | zamba | zyx386: if you remove an important package as gnome-common, it will in most cases bring with it lots of other gnome related packages.. |
| 18:56.07 | zamba | .. if i understood your question |
| 18:56.25 | zyx386 | zamba i need no gnome on my disk |
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| 18:56.32 | screamingbytes | zack23: you could use the Deb FAQ to understand .deb files |
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| 18:56.54 | screamingbytes | zack23: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/index.en.html |
| 18:56.58 | zamba | zyx386: dpkg -l | grep gnome and do aptitude remove <package> on each and every one |
| 18:56.59 | zack23 | Thanks - yeah I am just looking through the rules file to see how they assembled apache2 |
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| 19:09.07 | xnixan | hi, any good app the converts .swf to .flv, .mpg, or .avi? |
| 19:10.07 | pumpkin0 | xnixan: mencoder should be able to do that. |
| 19:10.12 | peppe | xnixan: mencoder / ffmpeg |
| 19:10.24 | zamba | exobyte: ok, i've figured out it's not in fact hardware raid, but something referred to as "fake raid" |
| 19:10.28 | xnixan | pumpkin0, peppe thanks |
| 19:10.45 | zamba | exobyte: so i guess software raid is the way to go.. and then just use the linux kernel for it |
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| 19:14.58 | ltbarcly | I have tried both etch, lenny-b2, and daily build of the install cd and I can't get it to recognize my cdrom |
| 19:15.13 | ltbarcly | it's an ide cdrom, the motherboard is a plain jane intel |
| 19:15.23 | ltbarcly | dp35 mb |
| 19:15.36 | ltbarcly | does anyone have any clue how I can get around this? |
| 19:15.46 | zamba | i need a -small- cd install disk for installing a boot loader on my compact flash install of debian |
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| 19:17.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | build-deps for my package cannot be satisfied - how do I find out why? |
| 19:17.27 | HazzTheSpazz | netinst? |
| 19:17.49 | zamba | HazzTheSpazz: doesn't work.. rescue root=/dev/hda1 starts the bloody installer and that fails when entering rescue mode |
| 19:18.07 | pumpkin0 | ltbarcly: did you check the motherboard for the IDE-over-USB problem ? |
| 19:18.19 | HazzTheSpazz | if you need something really small, get DeLi Linux |
| 19:18.25 | ltbarcly | ide-over-usb? |
| 19:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, are build-deps listed normally with apt-cache show? |
| 19:18.58 | n3kl | What is the smallest space debian needs to run? |
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| 19:19.12 | pumpkin0 | ltbarcly: some motherboards do not have a normal IDE-controller. They use a USB-IDE chip. These fail to boot. |
| 19:19.18 | ltbarcly | it boots |
| 19:19.22 | ltbarcly | it can't find it after it boots |
| 19:19.26 | screamingbytes | the smallest physical space ? a usb drive :) |
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| 19:19.32 | {mg} | Hey People! Is it possible to find out, "how close" a server is to swapping? |
| 19:19.34 | ltbarcly | it gets up to where it tries to mount the cdrom |
| 19:19.56 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-cache showsrc packagename |
| 19:20.06 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: what command is giving you "cannot be satisfied" |
| 19:20.07 | pumpkin0 | ltbarcly: switch to the console and find out how the IDE is connected. |
| 19:20.13 | ltbarcly | {mg}: no, but if you type 'free' and the amount of available ram not including buffers is low, it is close to being forced to swap alot |
| 19:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: apt-get builddep swscanner |
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| 19:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/dep/-dep/ |
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| 19:20.40 | ltbarcly | marvell technology group unknown device |
| 19:20.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: thx, that shows them |
| 19:20.59 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: you can apply my patch to apt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=145916 :) |
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| 19:21.11 | {mg} | ltbarcly: http://www.pastebin.cz/7481 |
| 19:21.15 | pumpkin0 | ltbarcly: do you have a link to the manual for that motherboard ? |
| 19:21.23 | phantomlord | Hi, people. I use Debian Unstable and I have really big troubles with networking after the last update. |
| 19:21.52 | phantomlord | They are described here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=167797#167797 |
| 19:21.55 | ltbarcly | {mg}: this seems fine, you have about 180 megs avialable before you are 'out' of memory |
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| 19:22.29 | ltbarcly | phantomlord: use testing instead |
| 19:22.39 | phantomlord | If somebode has an idea where exactly tre trouble is, please speak |
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| 19:22.53 | screamingbytes | n3kl: Memory and Disk space requirements (48mb mem, 500mb disk), Min Hardware: No Desktop: 64meg ram, 1gig hdd |
| 19:22.56 | phantomlord | use testing instead is not a solution |
| 19:23.13 | screamingbytes | n3kl:http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 19:23.17 | ltbarcly | then get smarter |
| 19:23.22 | n3kl | Hrmm, still a bit large |
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| 19:23.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: I see - now I start wondering if the build-deps for apt can be satisfied :-P |
| 19:24.00 | screamingbytes | n3kl: im sure it can be stripped even farther, that is probably documented from any of the installation disks |
| 19:24.27 | {mg} | ltbarcly: thank you. |
| 19:24.33 | n3kl | screamingbytes: I't like to put it on my linksys wrt54g |
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| 19:25.22 | screamingbytes | n3kl: so to a basic install then strip it, or find a mini distro based off of Deb |
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| 19:25.38 | n3kl | screamingbytes: like what? |
| 19:25.40 | screamingbytes | n3kl: like distrowatch.org |
| 19:25.41 | pumpkin0 | n3kl: then get something that is made for the WRT54G. OpenWRT has put man-years into optimising that stuff. |
| 19:25.56 | exobyte | knows his openwrt stuff |
| 19:26.10 | screamingbytes | n3kl: how much room you got? |
| 19:26.13 | n3kl | pumpkin0: well, I've got ddwrt on it now, but I don't think it will do some things I want |
| 19:26.20 | n3kl | screamingbytes: I am pretty sure its around 2M |
| 19:26.47 | n3kl | exobyte: is that better than ddwrt? |
| 19:26.49 | pumpkin0 | n3kl: you have a console and a cross-compiler on your desktop. What limits to you expect ? |
| 19:27.02 | willluongo | Hello, I successfully installed libgnutls 2.5.2, as evidenced by libgnutls-config --version. However, when I run a ./configure, or ldconfig -v it only sees the old version (1.3, I believe). How can I get it to recognize the new version? |
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| 19:27.13 | exobyte | n3kl: something you can do with those distros when you run out of space: mount a debian enviornment over cifs/nfs, then chroot into it |
| 19:27.19 | exobyte | n3kl: it's different |
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| 19:27.50 | n3kl | exobyte: yeah, but then this device is reliant on another machine being on, that means, that if my nfs file server goes down, no internet |
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| 19:28.07 | exobyte | n3kl: not quite |
| 19:28.11 | exobyte | n3kl: you'll have internet |
| 19:28.12 | pumpkin0 | n3kl: do you have the version with USB-port ? |
| 19:28.24 | n3kl | pumpkin0: what are you sugesting, adding binaries compuled on my desktop? |
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| 19:28.30 | exobyte | n3kl: but apache will go down |
| 19:28.50 | n3kl | its just anoying not being able to cd around the system to check out how to modify the uptables scripts and stuff |
| 19:28.55 | exobyte | pumpkin0: or that... it's another way to add space, but most routers don't have one |
| 19:29.03 | n3kl | pumpkin0: I doubt it |
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| 19:29.24 | pumpkin0 | n3kl: yes. You can compile any package for openWRT if you know how to setup the cross compiler. OK, you are limited in terms of RAM and CPU-power. |
| 19:29.28 | n3kl | my dlink may have a usb port thgough |
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| 19:29.36 | n3kl | though I am not sur eif I can load linux on it |
| 19:30.00 | n3kl | pumpkin0: I see |
| 19:30.01 | exobyte | pumpkin0: almost... some packages are limited by the lack of glibc |
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| 19:30.18 | n3kl | exobyte: surely not simple stuff like cd though |
| 19:30.20 | exobyte | n3kl: head over to #openwrt or openwrt.org |
| 19:30.36 | exobyte | n3kl: cd is part of busybox, and it's loaded by default |
| 19:30.41 | exobyte | and an ssh server |
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| 19:30.57 | n3kl | exobyte: simple stuff that ddwrt does not have it seems |
| 19:31.01 | exobyte | n3kl: it's basically a stripped down distro |
| 19:31.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: will that patch be in a future version, btw.? (for now I figured it out without it) |
| 19:31.17 | exobyte | n3kl: ddrt probably does |
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| 19:32.06 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: up to the whim of the apt developers |
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| 19:32.13 | willluongo | Hello, I successfully installed libgnutls 2.5.2, as evidenced by libgnutls-config --version. However, when I run a ./configure, or ldconfig -v it only sees the old version (1.3, I believe). How can I get it to recognize the new version? |
| 19:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | which means "probably no, but perhaps"? |
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| 19:32.33 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: sure |
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| 19:35.18 | r47_ | EFNET & QUAKENET HACKED ??? x0x0x #2 ezine - http://lasercomb.de/x0x0x2.txt |
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| 19:37.55 | abrotman | willluongo: update-alternatives ? |
| 19:37.56 | cognitiaclaeves | How can I strip the ANSI color code escape sequences from a text file? |
| 19:38.00 | phantomlord | I wonder am I the only one running Unstable and having troubles with netbase... |
| 19:38.10 | stew | phantomlord: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | phantomlord: you're the only one running unstable ;) |
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| 19:38.55 | willluongo | abrotman: In what context? |
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| 19:40.40 | screamingbytes | n3kl: still there? |
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| 19:41.16 | n3kl | screamingbytes: yeah |
| 19:41.26 | j_pinx | what's the player that will do most formats? mp3 wmv quicktime etc? |
| 19:41.35 | screamingbytes | n3kl: check out the floppy distro's here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Linux |
| 19:41.36 | segers_j | willluongo: you use that to choose which version of something you use. I've only ever used it for gcc and it was a long time ago. |
| 19:42.05 | willluongo | segers_j: I'll give it a shot, thanks! |
| 19:42.27 | segers_j | willluongo: I don't remember if it was a text file or program, or both, but I'd bet on both. |
| 19:42.29 | epsilon | j_pinx: vlc and mplayer are popular |
| 19:42.55 | j_pinx | epsilon: thanks |
| 19:43.03 | n3kl | screamingbytes: ah, neat. Looks like there is an embedded debian |
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| 19:43.12 | Junitoo | hi |
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| 19:43.35 | CuBe0wL_ | hi all |
| 19:43.54 | CuBe0wL_ | where can I find the kernel sources for ethcnhalf? |
| 19:44.20 | Junitoo | today i was trying to upgrade an etch base installation, only as Desktop Computer selected in tasksell, to Sid. But a lot of packages appear as errors and i dont know why, is sid very broken today i dont know why |
| 19:44.53 | screamingbytes | n3kl: yea there are several, some for terminals |
| 19:45.02 | abrotman | CuBe0wL_: apt-cache search linux-image etchnhalf |
| 19:45.02 | willluongo | segers_j: It actually doesn't do anything... no command found |
| 19:45.06 | screamingbytes | n3kl: you using this? http://www.batbox.org/wrt54g-linux.html |
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| 19:45.23 | willluongo | segers_j: Though I could be noobing it up and misunderstanding what I am supposed to do. :) |
| 19:45.28 | CuBe0wL_ | abrotman, isn't that only the kernel image? |
| 19:45.32 | n3kl | screamingbytes: no this: http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/index.php |
| 19:45.42 | lobak | hello |
| 19:45.52 | abrotman | CuBe0wL_: adjust for my stupidity :) |
| 19:46.01 | CuBe0wL_ | lol :) |
| 19:46.03 | lobak | is it possible for me to view the date that my debian is installed in my machine? |
| 19:46.10 | n3kl | screamingbytes: but I think i might try http://www.emdebian.org |
| 19:46.20 | segers_j | hang on |
| 19:46.33 | screamingbytes | n3kl: heres another list, but not all of them show the size http://www.linuxlinks.com/Distributions/Mini_Distributions/ |
| 19:46.38 | Junitoo | lobak check when was created the /etc/debian_version file |
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| 19:47.12 | screamingbytes | n3kl: this is an awesome site for devices and howto get linux on it: http://www.linuxdevices.com/ |
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| 19:47.34 | sts | hello folks. is there a way to start a recovery cd, mount the original filesystem and boot all the stuff from within a chroot? |
| 19:47.53 | n3kl | screamingbytes: yeah, I always like that place, but their site is a little all over the place |
| 19:48.14 | segers_j | willluongo: found this: (I'm on my mac right now, no debian box) http://blog.stevenkroon.com/2006/08/29/debian-update-alternatives/ |
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| 19:49.26 | n3kl | screamingbytes: if only I could solder a flash drive to the thing, I'd be golden |
| 19:50.02 | lobak | Junitoo: it is 2006-10-28 ...i dont really think this is the right date, because AFAIK, i installed it around 2007 |
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| 19:52.02 | phantomlord | Hi, people. |
| 19:52.04 | phantomlord | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29498 |
| 19:52.12 | phantomlord | anybody can help me? |
| 19:52.46 | segers_j | willluongo: Ahh, update-alternatives is in /usr/sbin which is usually not in regular users $PATH you may need to be root to use it. |
| 19:52.51 | abrotman | phantomlord: dmesg | grep eth |
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| 19:53.50 | wybczu | hmmm... |
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| 19:53.57 | wybczu | why gnome depends on swfdec-mozilla? |
| 19:54.09 | jlilly | I'm looking at using ip aliasing for server failover ( making sure that the other is up, if not, claiming the other's IP and starting the relevant services ). Assuming I'm setting this up for 2 servers, I would need a total of 4 ips, correct? 2 for the actual IP's of the boxes (eth0's) and 2 for the aliased ips (eth0:0), right? |
| 19:54.10 | abrotman | i don't know .. but it sucks |
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| 19:54.35 | phantomlord | abrotman, it will be difficult to give you an answer now... I'll have to reboot to debian, grep the result and boot back to win... |
| 19:54.49 | wybczu | i tried to apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla and... |
| 19:55.03 | wybczu | apt-get want to remove whole gnome... |
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| 19:55.12 | wybczu | it sucks |
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| 19:56.07 | lobak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:56.23 | stew | wybczu: you mean it wants to remove the package named "gnome" or it also wants to delete the hundreds of packages which make up gnome? |
| 19:56.37 | segers_j | phantomlord: so you have only one machine, and you choose to run unstable on it? I'm having difficulty working up any pity. seriously. |
| 19:56.50 | stew | wybczu: show us the output of "apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla" |
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| 19:57.15 | phantomlord | More than 2 years I run Unstable on it with no big troubles |
| 19:57.36 | segers_j | phantomlord: I made it 3 months in that situation. |
| 19:57.40 | abrotman | stew: tis true .. happened to me the other day |
| 19:57.48 | jlilly | lobak: your best bet would probably be to find some obscure OS file and see the mtime on it. |
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| 19:57.58 | KDE4000 | how can I secure packages that I make? (eg with GPG) |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | stew: it attempts to remove the metapackage gnmoe .. and then because nothing else is requiring the other packages .. it starts removing large chunks of gnome |
| 19:58.16 | stew | KDE4000: debsign -kkeyid foo.changes |
| 19:58.23 | abrotman | and swfdec .. is really not useful |
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| 19:58.50 | KDE4000 | stew: debsign in source directory for package i want to build? |
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| 19:58.51 | stew | sounds like a job for some aptitude-fu |
| 19:59.07 | stew | KDE4000: after you build the source package, debsign the changes file |
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| 19:59.19 | segers_j | phantomlord: anyway, best of luck, you're obviously much better at this than me, you can do it. |
| 19:59.25 | stew | KDE4000: which will add gpg armor to the .changes file |
| 19:59.52 | stew | KDE4000: or what do you mean by "secure the packages"? |
| 19:59.54 | phantomlord | Well, finaly I'll find the way, I hope... Always did till now |
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| 20:00.05 | KDE4000 | stew:secure APT |
| 20:00.15 | stew | KDE4000: just gpg sign the release file |
| 20:00.18 | KDE4000 | stew: i dont see any .changes file |
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| 20:00.43 | stew | KDE4000: forget .changes then, i thought you were talking about a package, not a repository |
| 20:00.46 | wybczu | stew: http://pastebin.com/m3eb14890 |
| 20:00.47 | KDE4000 | stew: when i run debuild --- it need gpg |
| 20:01.20 | stew | KDE4000: yes, that is to sign the .changes file |
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| 20:01.46 | stew | KDE4000: it is running debsign -kkeyid foo.changes for you |
| 20:01.58 | KDE4000 | stew: i dont have such a .changes file, where is it put? |
| 20:02.11 | KDE4000 | stew: not in source dir of program? |
| 20:02.11 | stew | KDE4000: debuild creates it |
| 20:02.14 | stew | in .. |
| 20:02.24 | pumpkin0 | what is the best (not crashing and youtube-playing) flashplugin in lenny ? |
| 20:02.28 | stew | wybczu: use apt-mark to mark the packages you want to keep as manuall installed |
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| 20:03.45 | stew | KDE4000: do you have a gpg key with an id which matches the email address you are using in the Maintainer: field? |
| 20:03.56 | wybczu | stew: ok, but i think that gnome shoudn't depend on swfdec-mozilla |
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| 20:04.05 | wybczu | stew: i think it's stupid |
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| 20:04.47 | KDE4000 | stew: no |
| 20:04.58 | stew | wybczu: report a bug on the package depending on swfdec-mozilla: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 20:05.06 | KDE4000 | stew: wait let me try a few things |
| 20:05.12 | stew | KDE4000: you have a key that you are going to sign the package with though? |
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| 20:06.15 | KDE4000 | stew: i have a local one |
| 20:06.40 | kibibyte | hi |
| 20:06.40 | kibibyte | do you know ant remote course where i can get linux administration certificate? |
| 20:06.48 | barnum | buy a printer! |
| 20:07.05 | stew | KDE4000: you can pass debuild options which get passed onto dpkg-buidpackage. dpkg-buildpackage will take a -kkeyid option which says which gpg key to sign the .changes file with |
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| 20:07.37 | stew | kibibyte: try ##linux |
| 20:09.12 | zamba | i have a strange problem with my fresh install of linux.. i've installed on a CF.. the system boots ok, but i'm able to bring up the network interfaces.. the kernel detects the cards and loads the correct drivers, but i see no corresponding network interfaces.. how can i debug this? |
| 20:09.34 | stew | zamba: man interfaces |
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| 20:10.03 | zamba | stew: i tried configuring the interfaces manually, so the problem isn't there |
| 20:10.10 | willluongo | segers_j: That was my problem, however, I managed to get the configuration working using the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable. Now it fails on wxrc... :/ |
| 20:10.14 | KDE4000 | stew: what about .dsc files? |
| 20:10.16 | zamba | stew: ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <netmask> up |
| 20:10.43 | zamba | stew: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device and so on |
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| 20:11.07 | stew | zamba: are you sure eth0 is the right interface name? "ifconfig -a" will list all of them |
| 20:11.17 | stew | KDE4000: dpkg-buildpackage will sign that too |
| 20:11.21 | zamba | stew: only thing i've got is lo and sit0 |
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| 20:11.33 | KDE4000 | stew: i use debmake... |
| 20:11.38 | segers_j | willluongo: you've moved squarely out of my very limited depths. |
| 20:11.48 | KDE4000 | stew: i just delete the old .dsc then? |
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| 20:12.32 | willluongo | segers_j: Thank you for your help, though. I am one step closer than I was when I started. :) |
| 20:12.51 | stew | KDE4000: no need to, it will get rebuilt when you run debuild |
| 20:13.00 | zamba | stew: i've never experienced this before, and this is also the first time trying to run the system off CF.. |
| 20:13.10 | zamba | stew: i have no swap enabled, could that be causing it? |
| 20:13.12 | stew | zamba: you need to load kernel drivers for you NICs then |
| 20:13.19 | zamba | stew: it's loaded |
| 20:13.19 | stew | zamba: no, that has nothing to do with it |
| 20:13.22 | segers_j | willluongo: any time, glad to help, be sure to thank abrotman as well, he's the one that actually proposed the solution. |
| 20:13.38 | stew | zamba: if the drivers were loaded, the nics would be showing up in "ifconfig -a" |
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| 20:13.55 | zamba | stew: hm, ok |
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| 20:14.12 | KDE4000 | stew: it didnt |
| 20:14.27 | stew | KDE4000: what didn't do what? |
| 20:14.44 | Jyzygzy- | damn it what keeps changin my resolv.conf |
| 20:14.47 | spx2 | is there any web IDE somewhere ? |
| 20:14.51 | KDE4000 | stew: recreate .dsc file |
| 20:14.55 | stew | KDE4000: how do you know? |
| 20:14.57 | KDE4000 | stew: what keyserver should i use? |
| 20:15.08 | KDE4000 | stew: i used cat on it, it has the old maintainer listed |
| 20:15.09 | Jyzygzy- | does lease renew do that? |
| 20:15.10 | willluongo | spx2: Nvu also called Kompose, I believe |
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| 20:15.32 | spx2 | willluongo: no...I mean like a programming IDE but web-based |
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| 20:17.21 | willluongo | spx2: Sorry, I don't know of any |
| 20:17.36 | spx2 | willluongo: like this http://ecco.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:17.47 | spx2 | willluongo: only they don't have docs showing how it's set up ... |
| 20:17.58 | stiv2k | %weather v4b4y5 |
| 20:18.00 | Jyzygzy- | how do i set the DNS servers so that they stay |
| 20:18.19 | Jyzygzy- | maybe chmod resolv.conf so it has no write? |
| 20:18.29 | KDE4000 | ok now it has right maintianer listed |
| 20:18.41 | KDE4000 | But it still trys to sign with someonelses work |
| 20:18.50 | jescis | is there a package in etch to get a background image in console(tty) |
| 20:19.01 | jescis | ? |
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| 20:19.50 | KDE4000 | bootsplash you mean? |
| 20:20.33 | barnum | jyzygzy do you mean when it dhcp's? |
| 20:20.38 | barnum | you could edit your dhclient.conf |
| 20:20.45 | barnum | and set static nameservers if thats what your after |
| 20:20.53 | Jyzygzy- | dhcp client keeps changin the damn resolv.conf |
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| 20:21.01 | jescis | KDE4000, is that what's needed? I thought it said boot because it would display an image during boot time :/ |
| 20:21.02 | barnum | dhclient.conf |
| 20:21.05 | Jyzygzy- | i chmodded the file 444 |
| 20:21.25 | KDE4000 | jescis: well i think there is a option in kernel config for it |
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| 20:21.36 | KDE4000 | jescis: probaly try that |
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| 20:21.59 | barnum | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.02 | barnum | #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1; |
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| 20:22.21 | hollywoodb | any idea why games like hedgewars and xmoto run terribly slow (like they're using software rendering or something)? perhaps I'm missing a package? |
| 20:22.54 | stew | KDE4000: did you pass dpkg-buildpackage a -kkeyid? |
| 20:23.17 | stew | jescis: usplash or splashy |
| 20:24.16 | KDE4000 | stew: --keyid = secret key or what? |
| 20:24.44 | stew | KDE4000: the key id |
| 20:25.08 | KDE4000 | stew: whats a key id :( sorry... im new to gpg |
| 20:25.10 | stew | KDE4000: the uid of your key |
| 20:25.25 | KDE4000 | stew: ok |
| 20:25.32 | stew | KDE4000: your email address, or the 8 digit identifier |
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| 20:26.07 | stew | KDE4000: i'd use either -kstew@debian.org or -kBE9BF8DA |
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| 20:26.26 | KDE4000 | ok, i set it up, compiling now |
| 20:29.05 | j_pinx | when I try to play a quicktime movie - mplayer is giving me an error "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device." |
| 20:29.18 | j_pinx | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 20:29.27 | amphi | what -vo are you trying to use? |
| 20:29.44 | abrotman | ttyS0 ? :) |
| 20:30.03 | zamba | i'm trying out flashybrid for preventing all the writes to my CF when running off it.. but not quite happy with the functionality.. does anyone know of an alternative? |
| 20:30.07 | j_pinx | what's the -vo ? |
| 20:30.19 | j_pinx | they are files on a HDD |
| 20:30.22 | amphi | video_out device |
| 20:30.31 | amphi | try -vo xv |
| 20:30.34 | j_pinx | mplayer |
| 20:30.43 | j_pinx | I am using the gui mplayer |
| 20:30.44 | KDE4000 | it says that my secret key isnt avalible |
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| 20:31.16 | stew | KDE4000: did it prompt you for you passphrase? |
| 20:31.20 | stew | KDE4000: does "gpg --list-keys keyid" work? |
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| 20:31.41 | j_pinx | there's no man entry for mplayer/....... |
| 20:31.46 | hollywoodb | libgl1-mesa-dri required for direct rendering I assume? |
| 20:31.46 | j_pinx | :( |
| 20:32.08 | amphi | j_pinx: don't use the gui |
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| 20:32.22 | KDE4000 | no public key |
| 20:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not so nourishing |
| 20:32.23 | KDE4000 | but |
| 20:32.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !peap |
| 20:32.24 | dpkg | [peap] Protected Extensible Authentication Protocol |
| 20:32.41 | j_pinx | amphi - ok, then how do I play a file? |
| 20:32.41 | KDE4000 | i couldent get export my public key |
| 20:32.49 | amphi | j_pinx: mplayer -vo xv whatever |
| 20:32.50 | hollywoodb | j_pinx: under the options there should be a place to choose video output (-vo on the commandline) |
| 20:32.51 | scintilla | va , ciao a tutti a domani |
| 20:32.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do I need to set that up? |
| 20:32.55 | KDE4000 | all the keyservers in gpa didnt work |
| 20:33.03 | j_pinx | tries again |
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| 20:34.40 | SR71-Blackbird | how can I preseed libnss-ldap with the answers to the dialog boxes? |
| 20:35.22 | samantha- | so i have some usb drives that haven't spun up and been recognized by the usb subsystem by the time fstab is parsed, and so the boot process bombs and requires manual intervention. i've set options in fstab to user,noauto but the behavior doesn't change. how do i fix this mess so that the usb drives can be mounted in a script later? |
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| 20:39.49 | jescis | stew, should I change CONFIG_FONTS in the kernels config file? would it require recompiling if I change that file? |
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| 20:44.09 | KDE4000 | jescis: yes |
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| 20:48.22 | jescis | KDE4000, is that yes for both questions? |
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| 20:50.06 | roldyx | hello.. I was compile a kernel from kernel.org.. and I have 3 LVMs.. |
| 20:51.08 | roldyx | but with my kernel, I cant mount.. but with debian-kernel works |
| 20:51.15 | KDE4000 | jescis: i dont see other one, its answer to last question i guess |
| 20:51.17 | XTF | Hi. Is there a recommended package to create thumbnails of an image, which also supports animated GIFs and takes the first frame of one? |
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| 20:51.38 | KDE4000 | roldyx: you forgot add support for your filesystems then :) |
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| 20:52.11 | roldyx | KDE4000: nono I have the modules dm |
| 20:52.29 | KDE4000 | roldyx: what is the error with mount then? |
| 20:52.41 | stew | jescis: the bootsplash things i pointed you at don't require you to change the kernel at all |
| 20:53.04 | roldyx | KDE4000: pvscan |
| 20:53.06 | roldyx | No matching physical volumes found |
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| 20:53.30 | KDE4000 | roldyx: no lvm support then? |
| 20:53.38 | roldyx | /dev/mapper# ls |
| 20:53.38 | roldyx | control |
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| 20:54.09 | KDE4000 | compiled support for your hard disks then? |
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| 20:54.46 | roldyx | KDE4000: I am using my kernel now |
| 20:55.13 | pickcoder | I need to throttle outgoing connects to a port based on connections per minute. apart from a complex QoS setup is there a method to achieve this? |
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| 20:55.44 | jescis | stew, thanks. I installed usplash. Because apt couldn't find splashy. :s thanks for the help. :) |
| 20:56.19 | roldyx | KDE4000: I dont understand you |
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| 20:57.07 | KDE4000 | roldyx: thats LVM right? |
| 20:57.35 | zyx386 | !set time |
| 20:57.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 20:58.06 | roldyx | KDE4000: yes.. but with other kernel.. |
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| 21:00.00 | roldyx | KDE4000: do I need add hard disk support??? |
| 21:00.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: maybe iptables ? |
| 21:00.42 | KDE4000 | roldyx: i dont use lvm, i think u gotta ask someone who uses LVM... :/ |
| 21:00.53 | roldyx | ok |
| 21:01.08 | roldyx | someone use LVM? |
| 21:01.11 | roldyx | hehehe |
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| 21:02.42 | stew | roldyx: is the md module loaded? |
| 21:02.50 | stew | err, dm |
| 21:02.54 | pickcoder | abrotman: that would entail a complex QoS setup |
| 21:03.03 | roldyx | stew: yes |
| 21:03.20 | stew | roldyx: have you tried "vgchange -a y" |
| 21:03.32 | pickcoder | I'm trying to work around the fact that Postfix doesn't have connection throttling for outgoing SMTP |
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| 21:03.43 | keith4 | i'm trying to follow these instructions: http://www.oceanwave.com/technical-resources/unix-admin/nsupdate.html . is 'dnskeygen' now 'dnssec-keygen' |
| 21:03.45 | keith4 | ? |
| 21:04.06 | pickcoder | the throttle needs to be by destination IP, not overall connections |
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| 21:04.29 | LamerC | I've just installed debian stable 4.0r4, and I want to install some newer versions of packages. Is it okay to add the unstable repositories to the package manager lists? |
| 21:04.50 | zyx386 | how can set time to local time? |
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| 21:05.25 | roldyx | stew: |
| 21:05.25 | roldyx | vgchange -a y |
| 21:05.25 | roldyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.45 | roldyx | ls /dev/mapper/ |
| 21:05.49 | webPragmatist | can you chown but retain the owner and just change the group? |
| 21:05.53 | roldyx | control |
| 21:05.53 | LamerC | I'm wondering because I've tried to do that so far (deb http://http.us.debian.org/ unstable main contrib) but when reloading the package I get errors and program just crashes. |
| 21:06.08 | stew | webPragmatist: you can chgrp |
| 21:06.10 | LamerC | I end up having to delete everything under /var/lib/apt/lists and reload the packages |
| 21:06.33 | webPragmatist | ah |
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| 21:06.57 | roldyx | stew: ??? |
| 21:07.16 | KDE4000 | is there a command that rebuilds the list of installed packages (searches for installed ones and updates list) |
| 21:07.59 | zyx386 | how can set my time to local time not universal? |
| 21:08.03 | up365 | zyx386, I use ntp |
| 21:08.03 | webPragmatist | aptitude update? |
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| 21:08.45 | zyx386 | up365, ntp is installed but run 'ntp' do nothing |
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| 21:09.09 | stew | roldyx: use a debian kernel :) |
| 21:09.33 | roldyx | :( |
| 21:10.36 | up365 | zyx386, access it through "adjust time and date" from upper right hand corner of panel, where it shows date and time. |
| 21:11.31 | zyx386 | up365, i think you alk about gnome or kde desktop? |
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| 21:11.51 | up365 | Yes gnome desktop. |
| 21:11.58 | zyx386 | heheh |
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| 21:12.14 | zyx386 | thanx but i dont use gnome or kde |
| 21:12.33 | pennythesetter | zyx386: if you mean setting the hardware clock to loval time then edit /etc/default/rcS and set UTC=no |
| 21:12.44 | up365 | zyx386, I'm sure someone else knows then. |
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| 21:14.17 | zyx386 | pennythesetter, u r the best, must i reboot? |
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| 21:15.09 | up365 | We're Debian we don't reboot ;) |
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| 21:15.54 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 21:17.04 | screamingbytes | Anyone interested in Intel Doc's for IA-32 Software Dev |
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| 21:17.20 | screamingbytes | assembly language and higher |
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| 21:18.54 | zyx386 | i set the /etc/default/rcS and to UTC=no. but the time isn't correct! |
| 21:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | the -k7 and -smp type of kernel packages have been discontinued, and all packages have "smp" capable kernels now, iirc |
| 21:21.43 | zyx386 | how can i change time to UTC |
| 21:21.46 | zyx386 | ? |
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| 21:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the preferred suffix now for what was -k7? I just take the 686? |
| 21:22.12 | plb_ | I'm trying to get apache workin on etch and it resolves with either localhost or 127.0.0.1 but not my ip..any clue? |
| 21:22.16 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, 686 |
| 21:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !utc |
| 21:22.32 | dpkg | i heard utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart |
| 21:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: ^^ |
| 21:23.05 | tvynr | !enter |
| 21:23.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:23.07 | stew | plb_: check what address its bound to with netstat (/msg dpkg open ports) |
| 21:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew: thanks |
| 21:23.28 | tvynr | (showing a friend the bot) :) |
| 21:23.57 | plb_ | tcp6 0 0 *:www *:* LISTEN |
| 21:24.02 | plb_ | i take it that's it? |
| 21:24.13 | Sling | http://www.leftmind.net/random/linuxbloat.jpg |
| 21:24.25 | peterS | plb_: that is IPv6, not IPv4 |
| 21:24.49 | plb_ | ah hm |
| 21:25.19 | peterS | you want a line 'tcp' not 'tcp6' |
| 21:25.26 | dalurka | Sling: :) |
| 21:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | plb_: /etc/apache/httpd.conf look what "Bindaddress" is - |
| 21:25.47 | plb_ | hrm |
| 21:25.52 | plb_ | my httpd.conf is blank |
| 21:25.54 | plb_ | ? |
| 21:25.56 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, the time with utc yes or no is 1:24 and isn't correct |
| 21:26.01 | barnum | apache2.conf |
| 21:26.04 | barnum | if its apache2 |
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| 21:26.15 | plb_ | k |
| 21:26.45 | plb_ | I have nothing about bindaddress in there |
| 21:26.57 | barnum | Listen? |
| 21:27.00 | stew | plb_: that's fine, its listening to "*" so its bound to all addresses already |
| 21:27.20 | stew | plb_: what happens if you run "telnet 1.2.3.4 80" where 1.2.3.4 is one of your ip addresses? |
| 21:27.41 | zyx386 | any idea? |
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| 21:27.51 | plb_ | er |
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| 21:27.55 | plb_ | I'm an idiot lol |
| 21:27.57 | plb_ | firewall |
| 21:27.59 | plb_ | heh |
| 21:28.00 | pickcoder | plb_: define resolve? |
| 21:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: utc just means the internal time representation will be utc, afaik - if your time is wrong, perhaps you just have to set it to the correct time? |
| 21:28.52 | pickcoder | BTW.. the namedvirtualhost and virtualhost * are both horrible settings |
| 21:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | plb_: that's what stew was aiming at :) |
| 21:29.00 | pickcoder | it should be <ip>:80 or *:80 |
| 21:29.18 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, my time isn't correct |
| 21:29.57 | pickcoder | older versions of apache and apache2 had the settings wrong and I still see it occasionally |
| 21:30.08 | keith4 | !find dnskeygen |
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| 21:30.39 | pickcoder | meh... s/named/name |
| 21:30.45 | plb_ | http://96.250.236.45 |
| 21:30.49 | plb_ | can you guys access it? |
| 21:31.17 | keith4 | plb_: no |
| 21:31.19 | tvynr | plb_: nope |
| 21:31.23 | plb_ | hmm |
| 21:31.27 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, the time wrong http://paste.debian.net/14095/plain/14095 |
| 21:31.31 | pickcoder | plb_: what is in your vhost config |
| 21:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: hwclock can set the battery-powered clock in your PC (or set system time from it and vice versa) and date --set can set your time |
| 21:31.47 | plb_ | I just left it as is |
| 21:31.57 | pickcoder | also cat /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 21:32.01 | pickcoder | make sure Listen 80 is there |
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| 21:32.04 | tvynr | plb_: Just for reference, are you using a residential connection from your ISP? Most of them block common ports like 22, 23, 25, 80, 110, 137, etc. |
| 21:32.17 | plb_ | ya I got verizon |
| 21:32.22 | plb_ | with there crappy router |
| 21:32.30 | tvynr | plb_: I would install nmap on your machine and then run "nmap -p 80 localhost -P0" to determine whether or not your local machine is listening on port 80. |
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| 21:32.47 | plb_ | 80/tcp open http |
| 21:33.04 | keith4 | verizon blocks incoming 80 |
| 21:33.09 | tvynr | plb_: So your HTTP server is running fine. But I bet you can't host HTTP on a Verizon residential connection. |
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| 21:33.18 | plb_ | heh...seriously? |
| 21:33.20 | tvynr | plb_: Try changing to port 8080 and seeing what happens. |
| 21:33.28 | keith4 | or https on 443 |
| 21:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: if you have an internet connection on that machine for most/all of the time, consider setting up ntpdate to automatically correct the time |
| 21:33.36 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, this info iknow, but the time isn't currect look the pastebin |
| 21:33.38 | tenlet | Anyone running Debian/Vista dualbooted? |
| 21:33.38 | plb_ | ok |
| 21:33.42 | tvynr | plb_: I pay my local cable provider $110 a month for a monster business connection partially so they don't do that crap. |
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| 21:34.16 | tvynr | plb_: (The other reasons being five static IPs, good upstream, and near-zero downtime. :-P) |
| 21:34.18 | pickcoder | tenlet: I can't even get SP1 to install, much less get it to dual boot |
| 21:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: ops, ntpdate is for setting time one-time and obsolete |
| 21:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell zyx386 about ntp |
| 21:34.33 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/14096/ |
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| 21:34.47 | zyx386 | iknow that brother |
| 21:34.47 | tenlet | Pickcoder: after installing debian or you cant run vista at all? |
| 21:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: well, you haven't any (working) servers configured, it seems |
| 21:35.21 | pickcoder | tenlet: I have no idea.. I can't get SP1 to install so I dropped it |
| 21:35.25 | lhz | what's replacing ntpdate ? |
| 21:35.28 | pickcoder | Vista got the boot |
| 21:35.34 | pickcoder | lhz: nothing |
| 21:35.35 | dondelelcaro | lhz: ntpd |
| 21:35.46 | pickcoder | ntpdate is not a time sync server |
| 21:35.52 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, how can set server? |
| 21:36.25 | lhz | whats wrong with running ntpdate in crontab ? |
| 21:36.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: I think you can just call it with "ntpdate ntp.org" (well, I cannot, because I already have an ntp daemon running, so the port is already in use and hence blocked) |
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| 21:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntpdate |
| 21:36.58 | dpkg | methinks ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
| 21:37.19 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, i do all that but the time isn't correct |
| 21:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lhz: this :) |
| 21:38.01 | pickcoder | zyx386: you have to specify a server on the command line |
| 21:38.16 | lhz | the reasons sounds arbitrary |
| 21:38.25 | zyx386 | pickcoder, hoiw? |
| 21:38.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: hm, I already gave him an example with server up there |
| 21:38.28 | stew | lhz: why would you run ntpdate instead of ntp? |
| 21:38.29 | zyx386 | *how |
| 21:38.36 | plb_ | brb |
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| 21:39.06 | zyx386 | i mean this time isn't correct |
| 21:39.08 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/14097/plain/14097 |
| 21:39.10 | lhz | stew: on one machine i run it because xntpd stops updating silently if it cant resolv ntp server. |
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| 21:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: oh well - just do date --set 21:40:00 --utc ; hwclock --systohc |
| 21:40.12 | pickcoder | xntpd? |
| 21:40.20 | samantha- | so i have some usb drives that haven't spun up and been recognized by the usb subsystem by the time fstab is parsed, and so the boot process bombs and requires manual intervention. i've set options in fstab to user,noauto but the behavior doesn't change. how do i fix this mess so that the usb drives can be mounted in a script later? |
| 21:41.16 | grendal_prime | ok i made a copy of this windows partion with partimage..im trying to restore it to a new hd now, keeps telling me my /windows/system32/hal.dll is missing or corupt. |
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| 21:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-: you could remove them from fstab completely and use the usbmout package to mount them |
| 21:41.39 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, dont change anything the time already wrong |
| 21:41.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-: which will mount them the moment they are recognized |
| 21:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: ? |
| 21:42.10 | zyx386 | the time is stil wrong |
| 21:42.23 | lhz | pickcoder, isn't debians ntpd based on xntpd ? |
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| 21:42.24 | grendal_prime | Im sure it has something to do with the mbr for the drive...I see several google articles about fixboot..but there is not going to be a winodows cd at the location of this machine. I need to be able to fix this from the linux boot side. |
| 21:42.46 | linkslice | I'm getting a message from aptitude that clamav could be upgraded to <newversoin> but is being held at <current version> what do I need to do to tell it not to do that |
| 21:42.55 | grendal_prime | Im booting the box from a disk on module.. |
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| 21:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: show the output of date --set 21:44:00 --utc;date |
| 21:43.21 | stew | lhz: this is on a non-debian machine then? |
| 21:43.27 | pickcoder | lhz: I'm pretty sure it's the ntp.org source |
| 21:43.38 | stew | pickcoder: it is |
| 21:43.46 | lhz | stew: yes it's on a hp-ux |
| 21:44.07 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, http://paste.debian.net/14098/ |
| 21:44.14 | stew | lhz: the bug you mention doesn't exist on debian |
| 21:44.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-: http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:44.36 | peppe | a software to write comic strips? |
| 21:44.38 | pickcoder | zyx386: tzconfig |
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| 21:45.21 | zyx386 | pickcoder, in lenny is another command |
| 21:45.39 | zyx386 | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 21:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: and what is "wrong" about that? |
| 21:45.54 | lhz | stew: i'm glad to hear :) but would it emerge, ntpdate in crontab would come to rescue. |
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| 21:46.32 | pickcoder | CEST is 2 hours off UTC right? |
| 21:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | zyx386: the utc is correctish now and copenhagen should have around 23:45, so it's ok for your timezone too |
| 21:46.49 | stew | lhz: "i run ntpdate, becuase ntp might have a bug" isn't really a good response to "why run ntpdate, since it is buggier than ntp" |
| 21:46.53 | asphyxia | is there possibly anyway to have something equivalent to the old base-config give a 'finishing' touch to a debootstrap installation? |
| 21:46.58 | stew | (and less accurate, and updates less often) |
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| 21:47.07 | pickcoder | ntpdate is not a proper ntp tool for syncing time |
| 21:47.19 | zyx386 | CutMeOwnThroat, now is correct |
| 21:47.23 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 21:47.24 | pickcoder | it's fine for updates where your box is way off |
| 21:47.34 | asphyxia | such that I dont have to manually run /sbin/shadowpasswords on and dpkg-reconfigure locales and console-common |
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| 21:48.27 | asphyxia | or another, more precious way of stating my question; how do I get something like the expert installer on the install cd's to run on my debootstrapped system? |
| 21:49.23 | barnum | old school asphyxia? or someone new? |
| 21:49.27 | pickcoder | lhz: you can always as #ntp "why" |
| 21:49.31 | barnum | jim? |
| 21:49.38 | pickcoder | s/as/ask |
| 21:49.42 | asphyxia | barnum: huh? i might not be the asphyxia you know... |
| 21:49.56 | barnum | yeah i havent seen the other one in 5+ years |
| 21:50.27 | asphyxia | barnum: :) i've been using this nick for less than 3 years |
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| 21:57.43 | jescis | is splashy in etch stable? |
| 21:58.22 | stew | jescis: no |
| 21:58.26 | stew | jescis: (/msg dpkg pdo) |
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| 21:59.58 | plb_ | https://96.250.236.45 does it work now? |
| 22:00.48 | pickcoder | yes |
| 22:00.53 | plb_ | yay |
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| 22:14.11 | plb_ | anyone recommend a good guide for securing apache2 |
| 22:14.28 | asphyxia | everybody, i kinda solved my problem wiht the missing base-config |
| 22:14.40 | asphyxia | # debconf-get-selections | grep -v '#' | cut -f 1 | sort | uniq |
| 22:15.04 | asphyxia | gives you some of the things the debian expert installer asks you about too |
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| 22:18.10 | screamingbytes | plb: id use the apache secureing guide |
| 22:18.36 | screamingbytes | plb: what version of apache |
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| 22:19.46 | screamingbytes | plb: after that ensure you've covered these http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_22.html |
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| 22:20.52 | plb_ | its apache2 in etch... |
| 22:21.02 | plb_ | I've just done the chrooting of it |
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| 22:22.56 | plb_ | http://www.apachesecurity.net/ ? this is what you are talking about |
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| 22:30.14 | PiousMinion | Is there a tool to recursively check broken symlinks? |
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| 22:40.05 | tvynr | PiousMinion: Tool? Not that I know of. But how about:: find /path | while read line; do [ -e "$(readlink -f "$line")" ] || echo "$line"; done |
| 22:41.14 | Baloo1 | ATI Radeon HD 3400 Pro locks up on pretty much anything OpenGL that isn't glxgears. Ideas? |
| 22:41.43 | s4br3 | Hi, I note that R package "spgrass6" is not available in Debian Sid. Is it available at some other repository? |
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| 22:42.53 | PiousMinion | tvynr: wow, that worked like a charm. |
| 22:44.48 | Baloo1 | Err, Radeon HD 2400 Pro |
| 22:45.31 | screamingbytes | plb_ you still there? |
| 22:45.31 | s4br3 | IBaI have had issues with my 2900 up until a month ago, with new drivers |
| 22:45.54 | s4br3 | Baloo1: |
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| 22:47.20 | Baloo1 | s4br3: I'm using the latest Catalyst drivers, more or less trying to get it working quick and dirty until I can find a better way |
| 22:48.25 | s4br3 | Baloo1: Downgrading the xorg-files step-by-step did it for me at one time |
| 22:48.45 | Baloo1 | s4br3: More specific, please? to which version? Which packages? |
| 22:49.45 | s4br3 | I switched from 1.4 (which didn't work) to 1.3 which worked. But lately 1.4 have worked too. Is it 3D you're after? |
| 22:49.51 | Baloo1 | Yes. |
| 22:50.00 | Baloo1 | BRB, I just realized I have left over nVidia crap. |
| 22:50.03 | s4br3 | and compiz-fusion? |
| 22:51.56 | KDE4000 | nvidia dont suck that much |
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| 22:52.02 | KDE4000 | ati is really sucking now however |
| 22:52.53 | PiousMinion | GPU war! :P |
| 22:53.11 | s4br3 | KDE4000: myeaowww... ATi have made strides over the summer |
| 22:53.15 | PiousMinion | Anything that requires closed source drivers... sucks. |
| 22:54.06 | s4br3 | I have a Radeon HD2900XT and a 8800GT. But only nVidia handles compiz really sweet |
| 22:55.41 | KDE4000 | s4br3: not with ati radeon xpress 1150 |
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| 22:56.40 | s4br3 | no, many are not up to par. I gave up and and bought that nVidia 8800GT... |
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| 22:57.08 | tvynr | PiousMinion: (gaming at the same time on other screen) Yeah. I like bash that way. :) |
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| 22:57.26 | s4br3 | tvynr: I play with R! :) |
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| 22:58.54 | _Fabio20 | can i run a windows game(wine) with amarok or other player playing music |
| 22:58.56 | _Fabio20 | ? |
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| 23:01.01 | PiousMinion | _Fabio20: I don't see why not. |
| 23:01.54 | _Fabio20 | my game dont have sound when i'm runing a native music player |
| 23:02.04 | _Fabio20 | my game(wine) dont have sound when i'm runing a native music player |
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| 23:22.04 | zyx386 | ! ftp client |
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| 23:22.49 | SerajewelKS | my friend has an ath5k-driven card, it's present (wlan0) |
| 23:23.04 | SerajewelKS | but when he tries to scan or use dhclient after setting the essid it acts like there's nothing out there |
| 23:23.19 | SerajewelKS | according to the hcl his card is supported since 2.6.25 and he is running 2.6.26 |
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| 23:23.40 | SerajewelKS | how could i diagnose this? |
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| 23:24.03 | SerajewelKS | the pciid is 11ab:4355 |
| 23:25.28 | tvynr | SerajewelKS: If the device appears in iwconfig, I'd say your next step is to check encryption. |
| 23:25.57 | SerajewelKS | tvynr: he claims his AP is unencrypted and is broadcasting |
| 23:26.09 | tvynr | SerajewelKS: Does it associate? |
| 23:26.15 | SerajewelKS | tvynr: iwlist scan displays nothing -- even for encrypted networks it would show if it were broadcasting |
| 23:26.27 | SerajewelKS | tvynr: no, it's like he's in a faraday cage |
| 23:26.31 | zyx386 | !ftp client |
| 23:26.41 | zyx386 | :( |
| 23:26.55 | acu | Is there an Live Debian CD for AMD64 ? |
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| 23:27.16 | tvynr | SerajewelKS: This is true, yes. Hmm. I'm afraid that I'm a little fuzzy at this point in the process. Does dmesg have anything for you? |
| 23:27.16 | jpinx | I need some help to identify my hdd's for grub. My first hdd debian boot is one is hd0,1 and the windoze on another partition on the same hdd is hd0,0 -- what would be the identity of the other hdd's windows partition? |
| 23:27.35 | acu | What happened to MONDO - backup software -that was so cool - I do not see it in Lenny ? |
| 23:27.42 | tvynr | jpinx: Are you running Linux now? fdisk -l shows you all partitions of all drives |
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| 23:28.12 | tvynr | jpinx: The GRUB partition number is equal to the zero-based index of the partition in the appropriate list. |
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| 23:28.30 | jpinx | tvynr - ok thanks - looking |
| 23:29.01 | tvynr | SerajewelKS: At this point, I'd say your best bet is to check dmesg before and after loading the kernel module that runs the card to see if any error messages that appear are helpful. |
| 23:29.06 | tvynr | SerajewelKS: Good luck. :-/ |
| 23:29.27 | tvynr | acu: Not the last time I checked. |
| 23:29.40 | tvynr | acu: (That was regarding the AMD64 LiveCD.) |
| 23:30.00 | tvynr | acu: There is an AMD64 Knoppix disc. |
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| 23:31.55 | jpinx | if /dev/hda is hd0 for grub -- what is hdc ? |
| 23:32.30 | tvynr | jpinx: cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 23:33.29 | jpinx | tvynr: that only shows hda |
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| 23:33.44 | jpinx | hdc is a removable hdd in a laptop |
| 23:34.33 | tvynr | jpinx: I'm really not sure, then, but I'd guess it'd be hd1. I'm not overly familiar with GRUB number ordering. Point of note: you can press 'e' on the GRUB menu and temporarily edit your boot configuration if you need to play around. |
| 23:34.49 | tvynr | jpinx: For instance, you can edit the boot line and then press 'b' to try out different mappings. |
| 23:35.00 | jpinx | yea - I tried that but got out of range for the BIOS :( |
| 23:35.25 | dante_2core | hey guys, i'm trying to list my system fonts with a console command, anyone knows of one? |
| 23:35.32 | jpinx | thanks tvynr: I'll reboot and fiddle 'en route' |
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| 23:42.06 | samantha-b- | so i have a used-to-be-usb drive. i ripped the case off and popped the drive out and hung it on the sata bus. the partition table lists it as type aa (unknown) although when i fdisk'd the drive originally it was set up as 83 (Linux) and formatted ext3. if i change the partition type back, am i going to jack the data on the drive? |
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| 23:52.38 | sha1 | Is there a quick way to send a test message with Sendmail in CLI? |
| 23:53.32 | dondelelcaro | sha1: just sendmail foo@bar.com; type in the message, and hit ^D. |
| 23:53.40 | sha1 | awesome |
| 23:53.42 | sha1 | thanks |
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| 23:57.16 | sha1 | wow quiet tonight |
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