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| 00:00.36 | pr0ut | i want to reduce my main partition |
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| 00:01.03 | Corkster | thers no way youre gona get that done on a mounted drive without a reboot |
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| 00:01.43 | Corkster | i didnt think you could do anything like that period on a mounted partition |
| 00:01.45 | valdyn | pr0ut: to shrink / you need to unmount it, ext3 allows no live shrinking |
| 00:01.49 | enouf | now, if it was LVM ... :-P |
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| 00:02.16 | Bushmills | pr0ut: why wouldn't you have full access on a dedicated server? |
| 00:02.25 | Corkster | with LVM you can do that ? |
| 00:02.31 | valdyn | no |
| 00:02.33 | wols | bombshock: he only can boot the debian that is on, |
| 00:02.35 | valdyn | lvm doesnt really fix that |
| 00:02.39 | wols | e.g. not instert a live cd |
| 00:03.01 | valdyn | lvm makes resizing the "partition" easy, but it does not make ext3 support live shrinking |
| 00:03.04 | bombshock | wols: ? |
| 00:03.04 | pr0ut | i have full acces, i mean just dont have physical acces to server |
| 00:03.19 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.40 | pr0ut | i can reboot etc, just i cant insert cd ..... |
| 00:03.58 | Bushmills | are there still providers renting out dedicated servers without rescue system? |
| 00:04.02 | valdyn | pr0ut: that is what you have to do though |
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| 00:04.17 | enouf | valdyn: righto - i'm still thinking he wanted to grow - but nevermind |
| 00:04.25 | valdyn | pr0ut: boot a system that has the required tools and does not need your / mounted |
| 00:04.27 | Corkster | unmount,resize,reboot |
| 00:04.48 | Bushmills | i thought evolution has made them disappear already |
| 00:05.59 | pr0ut | sorry im beginning on linux and dont understand everything :s |
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| 00:06.58 | pr0ut | if u have any tutorial about this i can read it :p |
| 00:07.11 | Bushmills | rescue system? most dedicated servers can be net booted, as alternative to disk boot, into a small system to fix things |
| 00:07.14 | ilowe | If I have a private apt archive, how can I get rid of the "cannot authenticate this package" messages? I've created a key, added it with apt-key and signed my Release document. What am I missing? |
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| 00:09.13 | pr0ut | i cant see rescue system on my control panel :s |
| 00:09.21 | bombshock | wols: u know of a repo that does contain the legacy files? the repo im using does not have it in sid |
| 00:10.01 | wols | bombshock: it does. sid sources for contrib and non-free do and that's all you need |
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| 00:10.21 | wols | bombshock: the reason you want sid is compiz? |
| 00:10.32 | Bushmills | bombshock: what model is your video card? |
| 00:11.11 | wols | Bushmills: mx440 |
| 00:11.23 | bombshock | wols: not to have 3d rendering to be able to use penguinplanet... whatever is the name of the game now |
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| 00:11.36 | bombshock | bushmills: Gforce 4 MX440 |
| 00:11.57 | nevyn | bombshock: planet penguin racer |
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| 00:12.07 | wols | bombshock: 71.xx legacy from etch should do that |
| 00:12.09 | Bushmills | is that about this one: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU]? |
| 00:12.22 | wols | Bushmills: yes |
| 00:12.29 | Bushmills | no fun |
| 00:13.02 | Bushmills | 71xx legacy driver is instable, 96xx renders incompletely |
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| 00:13.51 | bombshock | wols & Bushmills: so basicly im screwed lol |
| 00:14.01 | bombshock | unless, i compile? |
| 00:14.09 | enouf | wonders what the heck [20:15:06] -ChanServ- #debian-advanced is all about on oftc .. but only briefly |
| 00:14.11 | Bushmills | bombshock: it worked much better one or two years ago |
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| 00:14.27 | dimedo | hi there, should hardlinks be able to function in an chroot environment where the target is not inside ? |
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| 00:14.33 | Bushmills | but with every new driver release it got worse |
| 00:14.42 | wols | dimedo: if it's on the same partition,y es |
| 00:14.46 | pr0ut | there is others ways execpt net boot ?? |
| 00:14.49 | bombshock | bushmills: aye... just want to configure the driver so it does not freeze like when im in nv or vesa |
| 00:15.19 | Bushmills | i was wondering whether nvidia was prodding their legacy hardware users to upgrade to more recent hardware |
| 00:15.43 | nevyn | Bushmills: what could possibly motivate them to do that? |
| 00:15.44 | Bushmills | hehe. i'm back to nv driver |
| 00:15.47 | nevyn | other than profit? |
| 00:15.48 | freeone3000 | Only their linux ones, though. |
| 00:16.08 | freeone3000 | nevyn: They're a corporation. What other motives matter? |
| 00:16.23 | nevyn | </sarcasm> |
| 00:16.44 | dimedo | wols, the situation is somewhat more complex. there is a folder /lib-chroot in which there are hardlinks to the original files in /lib. this /lib-chroot is plugged into /srv/chroot/lib via mount --bind. it doesn't work at the moment, so i don't know if it should work |
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| 00:16.54 | Bushmills | nevyn: what could be the interest of a company when selling new hardware to users who otherwise would continue to use their old products? |
| 00:17.08 | takahiro | is there a way to combine tail -f and |less, so that i can watch it scroll but also have the option to scroll up and down |
| 00:17.09 | dimedo | wols, /srv/chroot is on another partition |
| 00:17.23 | wols | dimedo: hardlinks are a filesystem thing, chroot is above that. a low level filesystem thing regarding its inodes |
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| 00:17.36 | wols | dimedo: hardlinks never work across partitions |
| 00:18.24 | dimedo | but the aren't on another partition, the whole folder is mounted into a path on another partition |
| 00:18.55 | valdyn | dimedo: mounts dont transfer into chroots |
| 00:19.11 | valdyn | dimedo: err uh, nvm |
| 00:20.52 | jaguarandi | found his error was a misuse of the variable |
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| 00:22.51 | Bushmills | misuse of variable, in short a miserable |
| 00:23.22 | dimedo | i have a file called textfile with some content in /lib, it is hardlinked to /lib-chroot and there, it's content is readable. the folder /lib-chroot is mounted into /srv/chroot/bin (which lies on another partition) by mount --bind, an there it is also perfectly readable. so it should work as i understand it. but if i try that trick with the libraries, chroot complains about not finding those libs |
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| 00:25.04 | wols | dimedo: what does your ls.so.conf say inside the chroot? |
| 00:25.21 | xFlux | any ideas why azures gets crappy speed on debian, but works 100% in redhat? |
| 00:25.32 | dimedo | wols, there's no ld.so.conf inside |
| 00:25.35 | freeone3000 | xFlux: Which java are you using? |
| 00:25.55 | xFlux | I did have some other version running until I ran apt-get install sun-java5 |
| 00:26.04 | dimedo | wols, but if i copy the libs into the chroot, there is no ld.so.conf needed to get it running |
| 00:26.06 | freeone3000 | Did you update-alternatives? |
| 00:26.14 | xFlux | nope |
| 00:26.24 | freeone3000 | Then it might still be using gcj. |
| 00:26.32 | wols | dimedo: why not? |
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| 00:26.36 | xFlux | apt-get update-alternatives ? |
| 00:26.44 | freeone3000 | It's installed. It just needs to be ran. |
| 00:27.06 | dimedo | wols, i don't know, but it works well |
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| 00:27.16 | dimedo | wols, maybe there are some defaults? |
| 00:27.21 | wols | dimedo: erm, it doesn't work or you'd be not here |
| 00:27.47 | freeone3000 | `update-alternatives --config java` to be specific. |
| 00:28.12 | dimedo | wols, if i copy the libs instead of hardlinking, it works. |
| 00:28.21 | xFlux | perfect, will try that freeone3000 - thanks |
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| 00:28.48 | dimedo | wols, but if i hardlink them into the folder on the same partition and then mount that folder into a mountpoint on another partition, it works only if i'm not chrooted |
| 00:28.51 | xFlux | I thought it was my arp for a long time - stupid thing keeps stalling on me |
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| 00:30.34 | xFlux | has anyone ever achieved over 10meg with a torrent? |
| 00:30.49 | bombshock | is there a too that can be install to connect to a wireless connection during the boot process so to avoid the NetWorkManager bs and the keyring password requirement? |
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| 00:31.02 | freeone3000 | xFlux: I've gotten about 70MB/s. |
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| 00:31.11 | xFlux | do you use azu?? |
| 00:31.51 | spx2 | what does this mean ? " warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. " |
| 00:31.55 | freeone3000 | xFlux: No. I use utorrent on windows. Runs reasonably well under wine, but doesn't do the nice taskbar thing. |
| 00:32.03 | xFlux | like right now im open to the internet, direct 100meg to ISP and I can never seem to upload/download past a meg |
| 00:32.06 | n3kl | I am testing suspend on my system. I issue powersave -u, the system goes into suspend, just like it should. When I wake it, the system comes back up, I can log in and eject the cdrom, thats how I know its up. But, the monitors to not come back up. Anyone know why? |
| 00:32.37 | n3kl | xFlux: its probably asyncronous |
| 00:32.45 | xFlux | ayeeeee? |
| 00:34.01 | freeone3000 | n3kl: And why would that affect speed? |
| 00:34.28 | n3kl | xFlux: its a type of connection, syncronous and asyncronous. syncronous provides same up and down, async, is different up and down. Most providers architect their networks to give waaay better down than up |
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| 00:34.51 | zmitya | hi all |
| 00:34.53 | xFlux | its a dedicated 100 up/down |
| 00:35.05 | zmitya | guys, how can I mount a reiserfs partition as world writable ? |
| 00:35.06 | n3kl | xFlux: what kind of pipe? |
| 00:35.08 | xFlux | no pipe bursting |
| 00:35.17 | n3kl | zmitya: chown |
| 00:35.25 | xFlux | its direct fiber to an ethernet handoff |
| 00:35.27 | abrotman | xFlux: maybe your ISP throttles BT |
| 00:35.37 | xFlux | I have the machine plugged directly to the handoff switch |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | isn't really sure how it's related to Debian |
| 00:35.55 | xFlux | because it works in redhat |
| 00:36.00 | xFlux | so maybe its sysctl? |
| 00:36.12 | n3kl | xFlux: I jumped in late. If its BT traffic you are talking about, its probably throttled |
| 00:36.28 | xFlux | nevermind n3kl :) |
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| 00:36.44 | abrotman | xFlux: did you check to make sure your NIC is negotiating correctly ? |
| 00:36.57 | xFlux | yep, its at 100 full autoneg off |
| 00:36.58 | n3kl | Anyone know why my monitors come back on after suspend to ram? |
| 00:37.06 | n3kl | xFlux: take auto off |
| 00:37.27 | zmitya | n3kl: root@stamford:~# chmod 777 /media/sdb1 |
| 00:37.36 | zmitya | n3kl: root@stamford:~# mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1/ |
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| 00:38.12 | zmitya | n3kl: oops, nm, works thanks |
| 00:38.14 | n3kl | zmitya: no, like, mount the medium, then chmod the files. You can't mount a device as world writable, but you can modify the ownership of the files on that device to be world writable |
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| 00:39.44 | dimedo | i hope this is more understandable: i have a file called text with some ascii content in /lib, it is hardlinked to /lib-chroot/text and there, it's content is niceley readable. the folder /lib-chroot is mounted into /srv/chroot/lib (which lies on another partition) by mount --bind, an there it is also perfectly readable. if i now copy a set of minimal libs to /lib-chroot and use "chroot /srv/chroot" i can output the content of /lib/text fr |
| 00:39.44 | dimedo | om inside the chroot, too. if i now try what i really want, to hardlink the minimal libraries into /lib-chroot instead of using copies, the chroot doesn't work and complains about the libs not being there. any ideas why this happens and what i can do against that? |
| 00:39.50 | enouf | ouch |
| 00:41.04 | n3kl | dimedo: I believe ldd can tell you what is linked to a binary. Might help |
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| 00:42.07 | woodgrain | buy folks. |
| 00:42.12 | woodgrain | I mean bye |
| 00:42.36 | enouf | i cost too much for you anyway :-P |
| 00:42.50 | dimedo | n3kl, i know, but i know exactly what libs are needed, as i can get it all to work with copies of libs. my problem is now that a can't get it to work with hardlinks instead of copies. chroot doesn't find the libs but the textfile is readable inside the chroot, so it's strange that it doesn't work |
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| 00:43.23 | n3kl | dimedo: ahh. |
| 00:43.37 | n3kl | dimedo: that is strange |
| 00:44.02 | enouf | dimedo: i would try to help if only i could understand it .. i think my brain went into seizure once i saw "folder" .. by nm me, i'm a bit .. er off tonight :-) |
| 00:44.28 | enouf | s/by/but |
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| 00:45.25 | yEpLA_ | hi |
| 00:46.07 | yEpLA_ | i try to compile my kernel |
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| 00:46.28 | yEpLA_ | make-kpkg clean |
| 00:46.30 | yEpLA_ | make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 00:46.30 | Corkster | i tried to compile my wife |
| 00:46.41 | enouf | dimedo: i don't know, but would schroot (over chroot) make any more sense? |
| 00:46.41 | Corkster | that didnt work out well either |
| 00:46.43 | yEpLA_ | Corkster, ^^ |
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| 00:46.57 | yEpLA_ | i have a kernel panic when i reboot |
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| 00:47.02 | enouf | dimedo: but i guess it's not a perm issue or anything |
| 00:47.09 | yEpLA_ | all compilation of the kernel is ok |
| 00:47.15 | yEpLA_ | i don't understand |
| 00:47.39 | enouf | yEpLA_: where did you get the config from? |
| 00:48.02 | xFlux | ahhh - im dumbass - I still have net-pf-10 on |
| 00:48.08 | xFlux | works wonders now |
| 00:48.12 | yEpLA_ | in fact i have take my .config of the kernel 2.6.25 |
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| 00:48.21 | yEpLA_ | to use to the kernel 2.6.22 |
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| 00:48.45 | siyb_ | i just made an update (running unstable) and now my keyboard shows a strang behaviour in x. when i press a key it will only appear when i keep my finger on the button for a while. the problem is that it will then print two instead of one letter, does anyone have similar issues and knows how to solve them? |
| 00:48.53 | yEpLA_ | enouf, does it correct ? |
| 00:49.18 | yEpLA_ | an i have use it to generate my initrd : perl /usr/sbin/mkinitrd.yaird -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22 2.6.22 |
| 00:49.50 | Bushmills | siyb_: gnome? |
| 00:49.57 | siyb_ | Bushmills: yep |
| 00:50.07 | yEpLA_ | enouf, /boot/config |
| 00:50.14 | enouf | wait |
| 00:50.15 | Bushmills | siyb_: check accessibility options. |
| 00:50.39 | siyb_ | kay |
| 00:50.54 | enouf | yEpLA_: what? you took a .25 .config to make a .22 kernel? |
| 00:51.01 | yEpLA_ | yes |
| 00:51.08 | enouf | no bueno |
| 00:51.13 | yEpLA_ | hmmm |
| 00:51.15 | yEpLA_ | ok |
| 00:51.31 | yEpLA_ | i don' t want to check all option |
| 00:51.47 | enouf | yEpLA_: grab a ~.22 .config, then make oldconfig, then make menuconfig, then make-kpkg |
| 00:51.47 | yEpLA_ | what can i do ? |
| 00:52.03 | siyb_ | Bushmills: thanks ... only accept long keypress was enabled -.- |
| 00:52.17 | Bushmills | siyb_: known problem |
| 00:52.20 | enouf | make menuconfig is for touchups prior to build yEpLA_ |
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| 00:52.37 | enouf | yEpLA_: you need libcurses5-dev installed |
| 00:52.42 | enouf | erm |
| 00:52.46 | enouf | yEpLA_: you need libncurses5-dev installed |
| 00:53.04 | yEpLA_ | enouf, sorry ? how i can do to no check all option i have don't understand |
| 00:53.19 | enouf | use a debian kernel yEpLA_ ;-) |
| 00:53.24 | yEpLA_ | i have only a 2.6.25 kernel config file |
| 00:53.35 | enouf | why? |
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| 00:54.10 | yEpLA_ | why because i have installed my debian there are some days |
| 00:54.43 | enouf | yEpLA_: what's wrong with a linux-image-version from debian? |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | yEpLA_: use the debian packaged kernel |
| 00:55.00 | dimedo | more detailed: http://pastebin.com/m4898705 |
| 00:55.02 | yEpLA_ | there are not still the 2.6.22 |
| 00:55.07 | dimedo | enouf |
| 00:55.10 | abrotman | yEpLA_: use the debian packaged kernel |
| 00:55.10 | enouf | yEpLA_: i mean, you're not wanting to touch the options - so what's the point? |
| 00:55.30 | freeone3000 | I have 2.6.25 on unstable. |
| 00:55.33 | Bushmills | i wished the debian kernels had /proc/config.gz enabled |
| 00:55.41 | yEpLA_ | enouf, ? it s possible to install a old kernel with apt ? |
| 00:55.45 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: Debian kernels distribute /boot/config |
| 00:55.46 | freeone3000 | Yes, it is. |
| 00:55.53 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: so it's pretty much useless |
| 00:55.54 | enouf | Bushmills: advantage is? |
| 00:56.18 | enouf | yEpLA_: sure - but without more info, i'd say it depends |
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| 00:56.34 | Bushmills | enouf: having the kernel config visible without having to correlated between running kernel and file in /boot |
| 00:56.36 | yEpLA_ | how i can do i need 2.6.22 |
| 00:56.43 | yEpLA_ | and i have 2.6.25 |
| 00:56.47 | enouf | yEpLA_: well, i'd likely just d/l the .deb directly and dpkg -i it |
| 00:57.01 | yEpLA_ | ok |
| 00:57.02 | enouf | what's so great about .22 yEpLA_ ? |
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| 00:57.37 | yEpLA_ | it s for wireless driver the driver it s do for 2.6.22 |
| 00:57.40 | enouf | Bushmills: i think you lost me :-P |
| 00:58.09 | enouf | Bushmills: it's not like the config changes while it's running :-P AFAIK |
| 00:58.17 | Bushmills | enouf: say i want to .. zgrep kernel config of x machines per ssh and script... |
| 00:58.36 | yEpLA_ | like i am here and if i would like compile a 2.6.25 with the config file of a 2.6.22 it s possible ? |
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| 00:59.20 | yEpLA_ | enouf, where i can find the .deb of 2.6.22 plz ? |
| 00:59.34 | Bushmills | and there's more than one kernel per machine. now to automate that, i can't simply servers zgrep FOO /proc/config.gz |
| 00:59.39 | dondelelcaro | yEpLA_: why bother? Just use the Debian 2.6.25 kernels |
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| 01:00.06 | yEpLA_ | dondelelcaro, it s impossible for me |
| 01:00.11 | dondelelcaro | yEpLA_: why? |
| 01:00.13 | yEpLA_ | i need the 2.6.22 |
| 01:00.20 | yEpLA_ | <yEpLA_> it s for wireless driver the driver it s do for 2.6.22 |
| 01:00.21 | dondelelcaro | yEpLA_: if you need 2.6.22, use 2.6.22 |
| 01:00.29 | yEpLA_ | how dondelelcaro ? |
| 01:00.52 | yEpLA_ | when i do apt-cache search 2.6.22 no result found |
| 01:00.52 | dondelelcaro | yEpLA_: by getting it from snaphost.debian.net or similar. However, almost every wireless card that worked in 2.6.22 should work in 2.6.25 |
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| 01:01.20 | freeone3000 | yEpLA_: It may not be available in your ..what's the name for stable|unstable|testing? |
| 01:01.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell yEpLA_ -about sdn |
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| 01:02.00 | enouf | had phone ... back .. lessee here |
| 01:02.32 | yEpLA_ | sid |
| 01:02.59 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: suite, though sometimes release or component is used. |
| 01:03.05 | enouf | Bushmills: i see .. makes sense, i guess, but a uname -r does the same for /boot/config-`uname -r` no? |
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| 01:04.53 | Bushmills | enouf: yes, unless there are machines with user compiled kernels among them as well .. need to copy and rename.config to /boot for those |
| 01:04.54 | enouf | Bushmills: i'm likely missing your point - so nm me .. my head is weary/funky tonight |
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| 01:06.14 | enouf | Bushmills: ahh, i see, some variations across various distros, and however the admin/user sets up their kernels |
| 01:06.16 | Bushmills | point is simply that without config.gz, situations exist in which complexity is added |
| 01:07.20 | yEpLA_ | hmmm i don't find 2.6.22 it s normal or its me ? |
| 01:07.57 | Bushmills | i have currently kernels 2.6.18 ... 2.6.25 running on different machines, some debian , some compiled. and it happens that i want an overview which machines runs a kernel with a specific support compiled into the kernel |
| 01:07.59 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: right... but in those situtations, users wouldn't have to enable config.gz either |
| 01:08.02 | yEpLA_ | the .deb i speak |
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| 01:08.24 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: and generally, if you want to test for whether something is supported, testing it directly is the way to go |
| 01:08.28 | enouf | yEpLA_: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.22&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all pick one |
| 01:09.00 | enouf | yEpLA_: pick the correct one for your ARCH, and whatever |
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| 01:09.52 | subsume | Is there some way I can snag a process? I left a terminal running at work and I want to see how its doing. |
| 01:10.03 | abrotman | did you use screen ? |
| 01:10.07 | subsume | =( |
| 01:10.09 | subsume | no. |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | tsk |
| 01:10.14 | subsume | that's that, eh? |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | !info retty etch |
| 01:10.36 | enouf | ttysnoop? doubt it |
| 01:10.37 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 01:10.39 | abrotman | also ttysnoop |
| 01:11.22 | yEpLA_ | thank you very much |
| 01:11.26 | enouf | ^fives himself since abrotman thinks he's unlatherable :-P |
| 01:12.17 | Bushmills | dondelelcaro: recent example: "which machines run kernel which can run oepnvpn (needs TUN support)" being able to grep all configs of the currently running kernel for CONFIG_TUN gives a list of all candidates, no need to "test it directly" whatever that means |
| 01:13.05 | abrotman | subsume: use screen from now on . jeez! |
| 01:13.26 | Bushmills | you can invert that question: which machine needs reboot or new kernel in order to be able to run that program |
| 01:13.35 | yEpLA_ | reboot time :) |
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| 01:13.46 | subsume | =) |
| 01:14.08 | bombshock | is there a tool that can be install to connect to a wireless connection during the boot process so to avoid the NetWorkManager bs and the keyring password requirement? |
| 01:14.41 | erpo | subsume: I think there's a program you can use to spy on other terminals. I can't remember the name though. |
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| 01:15.04 | erpo | bombshock: wicd |
| 01:15.31 | erpo | bombshock: Might be ubuntu only, but it ought to work fine on debian and it sure does what you want. |
| 01:16.16 | bombshock | erpo: aye it can be installed in debian |
| 01:16.28 | erpo | bombshock: Well, there you go. |
| 01:16.47 | bombshock | erpo: ty |
| 01:16.51 | erpo | bombshock: np |
| 01:18.34 | abrotman | bombshock: you could just configure the interfaces file correctly |
| 01:19.07 | erpo | abrotman: Maybe he wants GUI control or roaming after he logs in? |
| 01:20.42 | bombshock | abrotman: what interfaces file to be exact? Basically i want to be able to use wireless internet without the need to log into a GUI interface such as KDE or GDM.... want to be able to use it from command line as soon as the box is ready |
| 01:21.40 | Bushmills | why would wlan start need gui? |
| 01:22.20 | bombshock | Busmils... i need to get in GDM to input my damn keyring password to allow me to connect to my router... i dont want that! |
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| 01:22.25 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces for details |
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| 01:22.45 | erpo | Bushmills: With networkmanager, the network keys are kept in the user's keyring, which isn't unlocked until a user logs into a gui. |
| 01:22.48 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: you should just set your key/essid/wpa password or whatever in that file |
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| 01:23.17 | Bushmills | sounds fun |
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| 01:23.58 | enouf | but why should wifi be any different than wired? O_o |
| 01:24.01 | mingwu | I have a few servers in different time zone, so the system time is different, but my application need a unified time across all server. what's my best option? |
| 01:24.03 | enouf | hides |
| 01:24.04 | dondelelcaro | enouf: it isn't |
| 01:24.14 | erpo | enouf: Wired networks don't require encryption most of the time. |
| 01:24.16 | dondelelcaro | mingwu: use UTC. |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | bombshock: that's how i do mine .. i've never used network manager |
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| 01:24.48 | dondelelcaro | mingwu: your application should be capable of handling different timezones, though. (If it can't, it's broken, and should be fixed.) |
| 01:24.55 | Bushmills | mingwu: date -u |
| 01:24.56 | enouf | dondelelcaro: right , and erpo , i know ... was kind of a stab at wifi in general :-P </flamebait> |
| 01:25.14 | erpo | enouf: What's wrong with wifi? |
| 01:25.20 | enouf | haha |
| 01:25.32 | mingwu | what about GMT |
| 01:25.43 | dondelelcaro | mingwu: almost the same difference |
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| 01:26.50 | Bushmills | mingwu: think of time on different machine being identical, and only outputting time to screen corrects it to local time zone |
| 01:27.43 | dondelelcaro | mingwu: people don't usually talk about GMT, because UTC is not the time at greenwich |
| 01:28.18 | mingwu | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.30 | enouf | in fact, UTC is weeks old, iinm |
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| 01:30.15 | Bushmills | alternatively, calculate in seconds. date +%s |
| 01:31.08 | enouf | dimedo: that's a nice detailed desciption in your paste http://pastebin.com/m4898705 unfortunately i don't have an answer, nor even a clue |
| 01:31.10 | dondelelcaro | (and also because when you use GMT, it's not clear if you mean UT1 or UTC) |
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| 01:32.01 | amphi | dondelelcaro: what's UT1? GMT+1 AKA BST ? |
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| 01:33.07 | kanzure | I need to debug a flash video that I don't have the sources to, and want a packet analysis tool that can watch based off of the destination port of an outgoing packet. |
| 01:33.12 | dondelelcaro | amphi: UT1 is the sidereal time |
| 01:33.14 | kanzure | Any suggestions? |
| 01:33.26 | amphi | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks |
| 01:33.33 | dondelelcaro | amphi: it should be at most 0.9s off of UTC |
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| 01:36.17 | dondelelcaro | (well, I should say, it's directly related to sidereal time) |
| 01:38.10 | bombshock | dondelelcar: so underneath "The primary network interface" i should add essid "myessid" etc (to match iwconfig?) |
| 01:38.46 | dondelelcaro | bombshock: wireless-essid "myessid", etc. man 7 wireless; |
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| 01:42.21 | amphi | kanzure: tcpdump, wireshark are two, the latter gui |
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| 01:42.38 | kanzure | amphi: tcpdump seems to just show me the connections, not the content of what's going back and forth |
| 01:42.49 | kanzure | maybe it's in the man pages |
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| 01:43.10 | bombshock | dondelelcar: does that work even with ndiswrapper? |
| 01:44.18 | amphi | kanzure: it is ;) it'll give you a hexdump, if you ask nicely |
| 01:44.34 | kanzure | ooh |
| 01:44.47 | kanzure | also, why does rtmp have to be a jerk |
| 01:44.55 | kanzure | I just want to autofetch videos :-/ |
| 01:45.04 | kanzure | not reverse engineer macromedia's fails |
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| 02:01.21 | infinitycircuit | does anyone know off the top of their head how much hd space is needed for a business card install with no package sets selected? |
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| 02:03.48 | abrotman | same as a normal base install |
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| 02:07.34 | foo | Hm, CBL is insisting I have a proxy on my server but I can't seem to find it. I have been blacklisted twice because of it. I've checked netstat -nap and everything looks legit. Any other ideas? I've also ran chkrootkit and rkhunter, both clean. |
| 02:10.52 | dondelelcaro | foo: which CBL? |
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| 02:13.19 | enouf | bombshock: here's someone's skeletal file, i grabbed during a discussion once; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1069698 so i could refer to it, if and when i ever decide to try wifi :-P |
| 02:14.16 | bombshock | enouf ty |
| 02:14.20 | kanzure | Are there any flash9 players on linux? |
| 02:14.37 | enouf | kanzure: just dump the poop and be happy ;-) |
| 02:14.44 | kanzure | enouf: Hm? |
| 02:15.12 | kanzure | I'm trying to get this: http://mediavision.case.edu/neuralinterfaces2008/default.cfm?vid=023 |
| 02:15.23 | enouf | get? |
| 02:15.49 | kanzure | specifically I want to monitor just where the mp4 files are. I've stared at the yucky HTML for a while now and I'm pretty sure I know the parameters that I should be passing to klash/gnash, but there's no guarantee since they don't play flash 9 or whatever the case.edu mediavision team thinks I should use |
| 02:16.36 | kanzure | Maybe there's an unspoken standard on rtmp:// or where files might be on a server that has only port 1935 open. heh' |
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| 02:20.02 | foo | dondelelcaro: Hello. Composite Blocking List |
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| 02:25.17 | enouf | foo: still defining that thang? heh |
| 02:25.43 | foo | enouf: hah. |
| 02:26.31 | enouf | safe to say you should preface with a definition, but someone asked you which cbl (i know nothing) |
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| 02:27.38 | enouf | kanzure: can't you play it in mplayer? (mplayer always shows me the direct url) or try youtube-dl pkg, see if it's script gives you any info |
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| 02:28.13 | enouf | kanzure: but, if you're trying to grab stuff illegally, i want no part |
| 02:28.22 | foo | wonders if dondelelcaro is familiar with that CBL |
| 02:29.03 | enouf | foo: you mean there's only one cbl worldwide? amazing |
| 02:29.23 | foo | enouf: hm, no |
| 02:29.44 | enouf | did i hear a bulb go off? :-) |
| 02:30.08 | enouf | or .. is that smoke i smell :-p |
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| 02:31.46 | WormFood | foo, what message do you get now? |
| 02:32.35 | foo | WormFood: hm, they just said I have a proxy. I forget, were you helping me in PM about that? |
| 02:32.49 | WormFood | yes, it were me |
| 02:33.01 | foo | WormFood: hm, same message.. a HELO is not the SMTP banner, it's something else |
| 02:33.25 | WormFood | what software are you using? |
| 02:33.35 | WormFood | I mean, for the mail server |
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| 02:35.10 | Veros | how do I check if a package is installed or not? |
| 02:35.49 | Veros | in console that is |
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| 02:37.37 | WormFood | foo, can you copy/paste the line with the message saying why you are black listed? |
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| 02:40.46 | foo | WormFood: exim |
| 02:42.01 | foo | In short, this IP is impersonating (via SMTP HELO command) being a |
| 02:42.02 | foo | domain we know it _cannot_ be. |
| 02:42.06 | foo | dondelelcaro: Any tips about that? |
| 02:44.44 | enouf | foo: you seem to have some minor comprehension skills ;-) |
| 02:44.56 | amphi | *snort* |
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| 02:45.09 | foo | well, eh, I understand what is happening... I JUST CAN'T FIND A PROXY ON THE SERVER LIKE THEY KEEP SAYING. Excuse the caps, please, but this is eating me alive :) |
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| 02:45.32 | helo_ | is there a known bug with gnome/firefox where either links in the page or the forward/back buttons become unclickable? |
| 02:45.35 | enouf | foo: dude, get real specific and pastebin any all commands and errors |
| 02:45.47 | enouf | heh, HELO is here ;-) |
| 02:46.05 | foo | enouf: "real specific" ? there are no errors. I suppose I could pastebin netstat -nap output |
| 02:46.32 | enouf | helo_: check the BTS? |
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| 02:47.25 | helo_ | it happens every 5 minutes at least while browsing in lenny... i thought it would be pretty well known |
| 02:47.37 | enouf | helo_: you sure the system isn't just freezing up? |
| 02:48.04 | enouf | helo_: well, that's what you get for using bloated apps and bloated DEs :-P |
| 02:48.29 | enouf | helo_: who knows what kind of code is whizzing around in your caches and crap |
| 02:48.34 | helo_ | it seems to be a gnome problem maybe... |
| 02:48.46 | helo_ | i can't click menus or anything, but i can move around in the browser window |
| 02:48.53 | enouf | it's prolly some flashcrappoopshit issue :-P |
| 02:49.08 | helo_ | konqueror is affected too... time to switch to fluxbox |
| 02:49.16 | helo_ | gnome is nice on a laptop for its power saving stuff though... |
| 02:49.19 | enouf | helo_: when that happens, check top/htop output |
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| 02:54.45 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 02:54.46 | dpkg | methinks qotd112 is <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
| 02:55.03 | amphi | heh |
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| 02:55.18 | enouf | haha |
| 02:56.27 | enouf | amphi: i killed the b00btube, got any internet accessible worthwhile streaming content suggestions ? |
| 02:56.43 | amphi | no |
| 02:56.48 | amphi | ;) |
| 02:57.20 | amphi | but congratulations - I've never had one of them infernal devices, myself |
| 02:57.58 | enouf | amphi: heh, thanks anyway ;-) |
| 03:00.14 | amphi | 'is there any worthwhile streaming content?' is a good question though |
| 03:01.06 | WormFood | I am so fuckin' sick of iceape not accepting keyboard input |
| 03:01.15 | WormFood | what the fuck is wrong with that piece of shit? |
| 03:01.44 | Coweater | you hit a function key or something i think |
| 03:01.49 | WormFood | no |
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| 03:02.06 | Coweater | which keyboard input isn't it accepting? |
| 03:02.17 | WormFood | anything |
| 03:02.33 | WormFood | does not matter what keys I hit, it is not being processed |
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| 03:04.37 | WormFood | what pisses me off, is it is totally random |
| 03:04.54 | WormFood | sometimes it will work for days without problems other times it will stop working in a few minutes |
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| 03:05.01 | enouf | what does iceape replace? |
| 03:05.08 | enouf | fireape? hrm |
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| 03:05.50 | Coweater | mozilla suite/seamonkey |
| 03:06.05 | rwaite | wow! why is dbd::pg so ollld in etch? |
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| 03:06.53 | Rusty1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceDove enouf |
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| 03:07.38 | Teltariat | What do I need to do if LVM did not create the LV nodes in /dev ? |
| 03:08.01 | enouf | Rusty1: more ICE stuff? hrm .. thanks, i guess ;-) |
| 03:08.43 | enouf | Coweater: ahh, i recall the suite having 4 things, browser+chat+html editor+mail ? |
| 03:09.19 | rwaite | not use lvm? |
| 03:10.12 | Teltariat | ? Whats wrong with lvm, rwaite? |
| 03:11.14 | rwaite | i dunno im just salty, its burned me a couple times |
| 03:11.27 | bombshock | is there a way to have the tux logo on top of the screen when debian is booting like in other linux os? |
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| 03:11.43 | littleball | hello, i have one text file, i want to remove all the new line '0x0a'. Any tool can do for me easily? |
| 03:12.03 | abrotman | sed |
| 03:12.13 | WormFood | abrotman, you beat me to it |
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| 03:17.50 | amphi | bombshock: only if you rebuild the kernel, AFAIK - why do you want that hideous cutesy 'penguin'? |
| 03:18.13 | enouf | really |
| 03:18.31 | bombshock | amphi: lol to add something interesting to a list of commands! |
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| 03:19.35 | amphi | bombshock: append 'quiet' to your kernel command line to suppress the kernel messages, if they distress you |
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| 03:24.18 | Teltariat | What can I use to do a pure replication of content on two filesystems, preserving things like creation date, directory stickiness, and everything? |
| 03:24.34 | Teltariat | I mean I want to replicate whats on one filesystem to another |
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| 03:25.11 | Teltariat | I tried rsync, but maybe I used it wrong: it messed up the creation and modification dates |
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| 03:29.58 | magyar | hi, lenny how do i get rid of iceweasel3 and revert to iceweasel2? |
| 03:31.16 | enouf | magyar: prolly apt-get --purge remove iceweasel3pkg-name .. clean out your /home/user/.<iceweasel> config files |
| 03:31.23 | enouf | install the version you want |
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| 03:31.43 | enouf | magyar: careful |
| 03:31.59 | magyar | enouf: I think lenny removed version 2 from the repos |
| 03:31.59 | enouf | magyar: backup any files you want to keep like bookmarks or whatever |
| 03:32.26 | enouf | dunno, never used that stuff |
| 03:32.42 | enouf | !why is iceweasel2 not in testing |
| 03:32.42 | dpkg | iceweasel2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel2 |
| 03:32.44 | magyar | enouf: what do you use for browsing? |
| 03:32.57 | enouf | magyar: links2 -g |
| 03:33.40 | amphi | notes that iw3 seems to be an improvement |
| 03:34.26 | enouf | magyar: might look at midori, hv3, elinks, kazehakase .. etc |
| 03:35.02 | magyar | amphi: when it doesnt crash |
| 03:35.23 | magyar | scrolling is choppy as shit |
| 03:35.26 | enouf | i'd say opera even maybe, but it's not FOSS, it's free to use .. but i only know that links2 is, not sure about any of the others i mentioned |
| 03:35.35 | amphi | it hasn't yet for me, and I have an appalling number of tabs open |
| 03:35.59 | amphi | ~100 probably, over 3 windows |
| 03:36.03 | magyar | amphi: 10 tabs and keeps crashing |
| 03:36.22 | magyar | enouf: konqueror? |
| 03:36.28 | amphi | scrolls smoothly, switching tabs is much snappier than previously |
| 03:36.58 | magyar | amphi: bahh, why me? |
| 03:37.05 | amphi | heh |
| 03:37.11 | enouf | magyar: yeah, well, that thing is such a behemoth, even though featurefull, i wouldn't recommend it to anyone |
| 03:37.41 | amphi | enouf: to which of the behemoths do you refer? |
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| 03:37.49 | enouf | magyar: you have video driver issues maybe? got a lot of swirling code whizzing around in your caches calling home to mother ship? |
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| 03:38.06 | enouf | amphi: anyone, take you pick :-P |
| 03:38.16 | amphi | ha |
| 03:38.21 | enouf | amphi: the konq one though |
| 03:38.25 | magyar | enouf: i got fglrx workign like a dream with 3d games and all |
| 03:39.00 | enouf | magyar: flash has been known to cause serious constipation and shatting :-P |
| 03:39.04 | amphi | fglrx? *shudder |
| 03:39.06 | amphi | * |
| 03:39.08 | Ryan52 | How do you start postgres 8.1? You would expect "sudo /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 start", but that doesn't work...and I even made a new xen instance, installed postgresql-8.1, and that didn't work. It doesn't output anything, and just returns 0...I am confused! |
| 03:39.11 | magyar | iceweasel runs choppy, to the point I am getting a headache |
| 03:39.46 | amphi | no flash here |
| 03:39.52 | enouf | ditto |
| 03:40.03 | enouf | magyar: how much system RAM? |
| 03:40.25 | enouf | magyar: but try other bloated browsers too |
| 03:40.28 | magyar | enouf: "bigmem" 32-bit kernel with 8GB |
| 03:40.37 | enouf | whoa |
| 03:40.53 | magyar | should suffice |
| 03:41.07 | enouf | magyar: i less than have 1/20th of that O_o |
| 03:41.10 | amphi | that _should_ be enough for iceweasel |
| 03:41.21 | enouf | amphi: you'd think, eh? |
| 03:41.28 | magyar | its bearly enough for vista |
| 03:41.37 | magyar | -_- |
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| 03:42.05 | magyar | kidding, hasnt used windows in 5 years |
| 03:42.20 | enouf | Ryan52: it might be dependent on other things - some things like ssh, apache, etc are usually tied to other services, .. so not sure - but post error messages to pastebin |
| 03:42.50 | Ryan52 | enouf: what error messages? The problem is there are none. |
| 03:43.05 | enouf | Ryan52: add set -x to the top of /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.1 temporarily .. or preface the command with bash -x |
| 03:43.13 | Ryan52 | ah, that'd make sense... |
| 03:43.23 | enouf | Ryan52: you could even strace it |
| 03:43.44 | Ryan52 | oh, ya. |
| 03:44.57 | Ryan52 | okay, so it's returning because /etc/postgresql/8.1 doesn't exist. (and that should really tell you something about it, but I'll ignore that one for now...) |
| 03:45.13 | Ryan52 | now...I just gotta figure out why it doesn't exist... |
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| 03:47.16 | enouf | Ryan52: haha |
| 03:47.42 | enouf | Ryan52: yeah, you want to make sure files need to start an application actually exist :-P |
| 03:48.08 | enouf | Ryan52: oh , my bad, i read it as /etc/init.d/... |
| 03:48.09 | Ryan52 | but it should (and normally does) install them... |
| 03:48.21 | enouf | Ryan52: strace often returns NO Such file or Dir |
| 03:48.29 | enouf | that's ok, in most suituation |
| 03:48.30 | enouf | s |
| 03:48.47 | enouf | Ryan52: did you remove the /etc/ files? |
| 03:48.56 | enouf | !tell Ryan52 -about confmiss |
| 03:48.59 | Ryan52 | This is newly install xen instance, plus adduser and apt-get install... |
| 03:49.27 | enouf | Ryan52: you might just be missing some needed pkgs |
| 03:49.55 | enouf | Ryan52: those huge DB things are spread across many pkgs, i'm sure - and then there are optional modules, etc |
| 03:50.01 | Ryan52 | that would be why dependancies exist...I thought... |
| 03:50.13 | Ryan52 | checks recommends... |
| 03:50.24 | enouf | well, yes, but only to a degree -- meaning "minimum" needed |
| 03:50.29 | enouf | indeed |
| 03:50.47 | enouf | Recommends is for poeple such as yourself ;-) |
| 03:50.50 | Ryan52 | no recommends, suggests ident servers which is unrelated... |
| 03:50.55 | enouf | oh |
| 03:50.58 | enouf | hides |
| 03:51.25 | enouf | i don;t know anything about postgresql though so |
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| 03:52.51 | Ryan52 | these are instructions that I've used to deploy this application many times (and are written by people smarter than me :D)...and now it's not working...so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing. (and they were written specifically for etch.) |
| 03:52.56 | Ryan52 | so I'm confused. |
| 03:53.09 | Ryan52 | I guess I could try rsync-ing that file from my lenny server... |
| 03:53.14 | Ryan52 | s/file/dir/ |
| 03:53.44 | magyar | ahh, 2.0014 works well, version 3 should have been in beta for a bit longer |
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| 03:55.13 | foo | hm, I only have my motherboard with two built in nics ... and they show up as eth3 and eth4, anyway I could rename them in the distro? |
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| 03:56.46 | Ryan52 | that failed...now I go for the source! |
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| 04:00.32 | Ryan52 | well...since I'm just trying to get a test system for this program before I release it, I'm gonna assume that it works fine and release. thanks for the help. |
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| 04:04.29 | Ryan52 | Is there some way that I can verify packages on snapshot.debian.net? or do I just install it and it's not compromised? |
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| 04:06.07 | dpx_ | I've installed debian 4.0r3 on an hp laptop that has a broadcom BCM4318 wifi card. lsmod shows bcm43xx being loaded, and when I tried to apt-get install bcm43xx, it throws errors from the archive links. Has anyone else had this problem? |
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| 04:06.46 | Ryan52 | dpx_: "it throws errors from the archive links"? what? |
| 04:06.56 | dpx_ | It seems like it can't download and build bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:07.10 | Ryan52 | pastebin the commands and output? |
| 04:07.16 | dpx_ | I get a 404 from http://boredlink.googlepages.com/wl_apsta.o |
| 04:07.26 | Ryan52 | it can't do something isn't good enough. there are tons of potential problems... |
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| 04:09.28 | dpx_ | pasting info hold on |
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| 04:10.30 | dpx_ | http://pastebin.com/d69e9926f |
| 04:11.12 | dpx_ | line 19 is the card |
| 04:11.23 | Ryan52 | are you on etch? |
| 04:11.26 | dpx_ | line 28 is the module, and like 32-50ish shows the error |
| 04:11.27 | dpx_ | yes |
| 04:11.37 | Ryan52 | maybe try it from a newer version? |
| 04:11.39 | dpx_ | downloaded 2 days ago |
| 04:12.12 | dpx_ | there is a newer version already? |
| 04:12.31 | Ryan52 | dpx_: etch is over a yead old. |
| 04:12.37 | Ryan52 | dpx_: there isn't a stable |
| 04:12.40 | dpx_ | what is the latest release? |
| 04:12.49 | Ryan52 | etch is the latest stable release |
| 04:13.09 | enouf | !bcm43xx etch |
| 04:13.14 | enouf | !bcm43xx-etch |
| 04:13.16 | enouf | !bcm43xx |
| 04:13.17 | dpx_ | why so old if you don't mind me asking? |
| 04:13.17 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 04:13.56 | dpx_ | hrm |
| 04:14.00 | dpx_ | 2.6.18 |
| 04:14.17 | Ryan52 | !tell dpx_ about bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 04:14.20 | dpx_ | can you link me to an upgrade tutorial? |
| 04:14.26 | dpx_ | or is it as simple as apt-get upgrade? |
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| 04:14.34 | Ryan52 | you don't have to install lenny |
| 04:14.43 | Ryan52 | that tells you how. |
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| 04:15.49 | enouf | Ryan52: as far as your issue - seen BTS? |
| 04:16.02 | dpx_ | thank you ryan |
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| 04:16.54 | Ryan52 | enouf: you have a specific bug or just suggesting I look there? |
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| 04:18.05 | enouf | Ryan52: just look is all |
| 04:18.13 | Ryan52 | don't see anything... |
| 04:18.32 | Ryan52 | okay...trying to get a lenny system to work now. cause it used to until this stupid ruby/rails incompatibility bug. mongrel/rails is being stupid now. it says 'ruby 1.8.7'. I try to install the ruby1.8 from etch. apt-cache policy says I have this: "Installed: 1.8.5-4etch1". Did I forget to downgrade a package? |
| 04:18.52 | enouf | Ryan52: pastebin output of the set -x or bash -x and/or strace stuff |
| 04:19.12 | enouf | downgrade? |
| 04:19.36 | Ryan52 | trying to get ruby from etch. but mongrel and rails (and the bug) still think its 1.8.7... |
| 04:20.07 | enouf | install the specific version using packagename=VERSION |
| 04:20.23 | Ryan52 | I know...apt-cache policy says I have this: "Installed: 1.8.5-4etch1" |
| 04:20.31 | enouf | you might want to remove the newer version prior - dunno about any of that software |
| 04:20.42 | Ryan52 | goes to try that |
| 04:21.09 | enouf | aptitude install ruby-whatever=1.8.5-4etch1 |
| 04:21.14 | enouf | or something |
| 04:21.26 | enouf | i use apt-get |
| 04:22.00 | Ryan52 | goes back to the etch problem not wanting to have to remove everything that depends on ruby |
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| 04:22.34 | Ryan52 | there's no pastebinit it in etch...that sucks! |
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| 04:23.25 | Ryan52 | http://pastebin.com/m1e11b7d3 |
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| 04:23.41 | enouf | !tell Ryan52 -about pastebin pipe |
| 04:23.45 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 04:24.02 | Ryan52 | cool, thanks. |
| 04:24.26 | enouf | Ryan52: well, that paste shows it started :-) |
| 04:24.39 | Ryan52 | no. |
| 04:24.45 | enouf | yes |
| 04:24.51 | Ryan52 | goes to look |
| 04:25.10 | Ryan52 | http://pastebin.com/m8bd0726 |
| 04:25.14 | Ryan52 | that shows it didn't |
| 04:25.57 | enouf | no, you're missing a TON of stuff that should be there |
| 04:26.01 | Ryan52 | and /etc/postgresql/8.1 isn't there. |
| 04:26.06 | Ryan52 | enouf: really? |
| 04:26.09 | enouf | really |
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| 04:26.24 | Ryan52 | oh, I am! |
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| 04:26.41 | Ryan52 | well, xen does that I guess... |
| 04:26.47 | Ryan52 | goes to tasksel install standard |
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| 04:27.31 | Ryan52 | but I've had a working system out of the box with xen, I think... |
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| 04:29.32 | Ryan52 | oh! I have a backup database server that I can use to test on! I feel really stupid! (though I still want my developement environment back...) |
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| 04:33.22 | Vasistha | I'm having trouble getting my display driver set up properly ... I've purchased a new laptop very similar to the old one; they both have ATI Radeon chips, but it seems that the driver for the old one just doesn't work as well for the new one :P |
| 04:33.33 | enouf | Ryan52: your ps aux output kind of looks like mayeb you're in runlevel 1, or as single user, or something odd like that - in which case, no rc2.d symlinks ever ran, so ... check your runlevel, using "runlevel" |
| 04:33.52 | enouf | Ryan52: or, maybe you want to fore it up using invoke-rc.d instead |
| 04:34.00 | enouf | s/fore/fire |
| 04:34.04 | Vasistha | in 1280x1024 and 1280x960 modes it's fine; in 1400x1050 (native res of the older one) there are some grey bars on the right side; and in 1600x1200 (native res of the new one) there's some more serious a strange distortion. see http://david9.freepgs.com/i/1280x1024.jpg http://david9.freepgs.com/i/1400x1050.jpg http://david9.freepgs.com/i/1600x1200.jpg |
| 04:34.07 | Ryan52 | command not found :D |
| 04:34.16 | enouf | heh |
| 04:34.23 | enouf | Ryan52: as sudo or root |
| 04:34.33 | enouf | or /sbin/runlevel or something |
| 04:34.39 | Ryan52 | oh :P |
| 04:34.40 | Ryan52 | N 2 |
| 04:34.48 | enouf | ~$ which runlevel |
| 04:34.50 | enouf | /sbin/runlevel |
| 04:35.06 | enouf | well, that's not the issue :-P |
| 04:35.22 | enouf | Ryan52: unless you're now not on what you pastebinned |
| 04:36.16 | enouf | Vasistha: are you using Xorg radeon? |
| 04:36.36 | Vasistha | enouf: I believe so -- "RADEON" shows up in the Xorg logs |
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| 04:36.49 | Vasistha | I was just looking in aptitude to try to confirm that :) |
| 04:36.59 | bonez44 | I have a dilemma.. I put together a new machine for my boys this past Christmas... it runs XP just fine.. but I cant' get it to load etch.. with X11... with xserver-xorg |
| 04:37.04 | enouf | Vasistha: and show us the output of lspci | grep VGA for each craptop |
| 04:37.10 | bonez44 | I have tried setting it up with VIA as well with VESA.. and with S3.. and none of those work.. |
| 04:37.12 | bonez44 | ideas? |
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| 04:37.24 | enouf | Vasistha: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:37.30 | Ryan52 | Maybe it's all of these locale errors on my screen that I've been ignoring for the last hour... |
| 04:37.40 | Vasistha | enouf: it would seem that an aptitude search for radeon doesn't show any installed packages. hmm. |
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| 04:38.09 | enouf | Vasistha: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-* |
| 04:38.21 | Ryan52 | oh, that fixed it. |
| 04:38.34 | Vasistha | from Xorg's log: (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so and (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so |
| 04:38.41 | bonez44 | VIA with ETCH? Does this work? anyone know how? |
| 04:38.51 | enouf | bonez44: lspci | grep VGA |
| 04:39.15 | enouf | bonez44: pastebin output of grep '(EE)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:39.16 | bonez44 | enouf: I'll have to reboot to run that.. |
| 04:39.33 | bonez44 | I have the paste from that... gimme a minute |
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| 04:39.42 | enouf | Vasistha: sounds about right |
| 04:39.47 | Vasistha | enouf: dpkg -l shows "ii xserver-xorg-video-ati" (and lots of other stuff :) |
| 04:39.51 | dpx_ | last question really how should I clean the apt-get list to get that failing package out of there? |
| 04:39.53 | enouf | right |
| 04:40.13 | enouf | dpx_: apt-get clean or autoclean |
| 04:40.19 | enouf | !autoclean |
| 04:40.22 | enouf | heh |
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| 04:40.46 | grimrider | hey does anyone know how to raise my half-open connection limit |
| 04:40.53 | enouf | dpx_: if you've been using aptitude, use that |
| 04:40.55 | dpx_ | failed |
| 04:41.05 | enouf | that's not an error |
| 04:41.08 | enouf | !error |
| 04:41.08 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 04:41.11 | enouf | haha |
| 04:41.12 | dpx_ | lol |
| 04:41.29 | dpx_ | Errors were encountered while processing: bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 04:41.30 | dpx_ | I have it already |
| 04:41.34 | dpx_ | I need to clear it out of the apt-get list |
| 04:41.42 | enouf | grimrider: what useless info - try harder please ;-) |
| 04:41.55 | enouf | !8ball "does anyone know how to raise my half-open connection limit" |
| 04:41.56 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 04:42.38 | enouf | dpx_: erm .. you get that error when running which exact command? |
| 04:42.39 | grimrider | enouf: im trying to increase my speed on bittorrent and it says to increase my half-open connection limit from 10 to 50. thats all i know so thats all i can say. im sorry |
| 04:42.54 | enouf | grimrider: that's a bit better though |
| 04:43.04 | wols_ | grimrider: is this windows? |
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| 04:43.15 | enouf | grimrider: but that sounds like your torrent config file |
| 04:43.18 | grimrider | dope. debian |
| 04:43.34 | enouf | correct that grimrider |
| 04:43.44 | grimrider | hmm ok ill try that real quick |
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| 04:45.27 | enouf | wols_: what's the dpkg factoid that spits back info to n00bs about how to tell us errors .. oh nm .. it's the 'ask' one likely |
| 04:45.55 | enouf | well - that's not the one - but close |
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| 04:46.41 | Vasistha | enouf: doesn't work :) |
| 04:46.45 | grimrider | enouf: i cant find the config file :( tried /etc, /home/nick, /var. nothing about deluge at all |
| 04:47.19 | Vasistha | grimrider: heh, it would not be in /var :) it WILL be a hidden file that starts with a '.' though, in the home dir |
| 04:47.50 | grimrider | Vasistha: i kinda figured wouldnt be in var. and its not in my home or roots home |
| 04:48.24 | enouf | Vasistha: ahh, a little brainfarting here |
| 04:48.52 | enouf | grimrider: updatedb ; locate deluge | grep doc |
| 04:48.56 | enouf | or somehitng |
| 04:48.57 | grimrider | ahh nvm its was under .config/deluge |
| 04:49.04 | enouf | who know what crap you;'re using |
| 04:49.38 | Vasistha | enouf: what think you? shall I join the dark side of the force and install fglrx? |
| 04:49.58 | enouf | Vasistha: so, your issue - hrm, the radeon{hd} driver has undergone tons of changes lately |
| 04:50.04 | enouf | Vasistha: nooooo |
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| 04:50.17 | Vasistha | enouf: that sounds like a recommendation for lenny :D |
| 04:50.30 | enouf | Vasistha: wiki.x.org or something - see #radeon, see git if needed ;-) |
| 04:50.35 | enouf | O_o |
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| 04:50.46 | enouf | wait, you're on Lenny? |
| 04:50.49 | Vasistha | no, etch |
| 04:50.50 | enouf | erm Etch? |
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| 04:51.00 | enouf | see, more brainfarts :-P |
| 04:51.13 | Vasistha | I am just about ready to switch over to lenny, though. The freeze will come soon, so I think I could probably be happy with lenny from here on! |
| 04:51.24 | grimrider | enouf: mind deciphering sumthin for me lol? |
| 04:51.26 | jwisher | hello please can someone tell me which config file in debian allows you to specify a virtual network adapter? |
| 04:51.27 | enouf | Vasistha: for your newer hardware, you likely want a newer Xorg and such - just my take, i guess |
| 04:51.39 | Vasistha | enouf: newer = 3 years old :P |
| 04:51.49 | enouf | Vasistha: just please - read about all the Xorg changes |
| 04:51.54 | enouf | so you know what to expect |
| 04:51.56 | Vasistha | jwisher: you probably want to look at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:52.00 | bonez44 | enouf: Here's the output from those two commands: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 3230 (rev11) and then (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown, (EE) No devices deteced. |
| 04:52.06 | jwisher | thank you |
| 04:52.16 | dpx_ | enouf: apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean |
| 04:52.17 | enouf | jwisher: ifconfig eth0.0 up |
| 04:52.31 | bonez44 | enouf: that's all it reports... despite the fact that the same VIA technologies video system, supports video under XP just fine...... |
| 04:52.35 | Vasistha | enouf: well, I'll probably back up my system before upgrading, so I can fall back if I need to. Is there a lenny upgrading FAQ presently that includes such information about Xorg changes? |
| 04:52.45 | enouf | wow, i'm swamped |
| 04:53.10 | bonez44 | enouf: you the guru.....I have time...take your time |
| 04:53.17 | enouf | dpx_: hrm, well dpkg -l bcm43xx* <-- pastebin |
| 04:53.26 | enouf | no, me no guru |
| 04:53.31 | enouf | me simpleton helper ;-) |
| 04:53.36 | grimrider | lol |
| 04:53.37 | Vasistha | bonez44: it would seem that, if the only instance of '(EE)' it found was in the information key header, that there aren't any errors loading a device driver |
| 04:53.55 | enouf | bonez44: run update-pccids |
| 04:53.58 | enouf | bonez44: run update-pciids |
| 04:53.59 | dpx_ | nothing |
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| 04:54.14 | bonez44 | Vasistha: that (EE) message comes at the very end, nay, the very last line of Xorg.0.log .. |
| 04:54.16 | dpx_ | lsmod shows it being loaded |
| 04:54.26 | enouf | dpx_: that means othing name bcm43xx is installed |
| 04:54.36 | enouf | dpx_: that means nothing named bcm43xx is installed |
| 04:54.40 | Vasistha | bonez44: ohh -- we need some context, you should go ahead and pastebin the entire thing (or at least the 50 lines prior to that (EE) |
| 04:55.04 | dpx_ | enouf: the docs I"ve read say you have to burn the firmware using bcm43-fwcutter and the windows driver |
| 04:55.06 | enouf | Vasistha: not really for bonez44 but ol |
| 04:55.07 | enouf | ok |
| 04:55.21 | enouf | dpx_: ugh, ndiswrapper? |
| 04:55.24 | Vasistha | enouf: oh . heh, just trying to step in and give some relief! |
| 04:55.25 | dpx_ | so I tried to install bcm43-fwcutter and it died. The tool is on the system though |
| 04:55.32 | dpx_ | no not ndsi |
| 04:55.34 | enouf | Vasistha: kudos |
| 04:55.36 | dpx_ | ndis* |
| 04:55.39 | enouf | gracias |
| 04:55.47 | dpx_ | I had this working on a slackware machine like a day ago |
| 04:55.49 | enouf | !ndiswrapper |
| 04:55.50 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. http://ndiswrapper.sf.net/ #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:56.12 | bonez44 | Vasistha: ok, I have to shut down xp here, and boot back into etch.. I'll run the update-pciids when there again.. are you suggesting that may solve the problem? |
| 04:56.25 | bonez44 | enouf: might it resolve this? |
| 04:56.28 | dpx_ | okay so I need to clear out the apt-get list and upgrade the kernel |
| 04:56.34 | enouf | bonez44: nothing likely will work UNTIL your lspci | grep VGA returns useful info |
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| 04:56.55 | enouf | bonez44: so, do that - then also the grep EE |
| 04:57.40 | enouf | grimrider: please don't msg me - not needed - pastebuin whatever you want me to read |
| 04:57.41 | bonez44 | enouf: ok, going to reboot to etch and run that and then the grep stuff... brb... |
| 04:57.49 | enouf | bonez44: ok |
| 04:57.55 | grimrider | enouf: sry |
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| 05:00.37 | Vasistha | the good news is that I was able to boot the new computer from my bootable encrypted usb flash drive :D |
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| 05:00.51 | grimrider | enouf: http://debian.pastebin.com/d1b26da23 highlighted the half max open area |
| 05:00.53 | Vasistha | even with the hard drive removed from it! |
| 05:01.46 | enouf | grimrider: WTF is that!? |
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| 05:01.54 | Foskasse | cya guys |
| 05:01.55 | Foskasse | :D |
| 05:02.07 | grimrider | enouf: the config file |
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| 05:02.26 | enouf | grimrider: and i'm supposed to know what all that crap means? |
| 05:02.42 | grimrider | enouf: i didnt expect u to no. just thought maybe |
| 05:02.48 | grimrider | thnx neways tho |
| 05:03.16 | enouf | grimrider: i'm sure your torrent app docs or manpages could tell you more ;-P |
| 05:03.46 | enouf | (than i could) since all i know, is some app named deluge is being used |
| 05:04.01 | grimrider | lol ok thnx |
| 05:04.22 | enouf | grimrider: see if they have a channel - ask in ##linux |
| 05:04.32 | Vasistha | grimrider: maybe it comes with some user-friendly config file editor |
| 05:05.03 | grimrider | enouf: im in #deluge also but theyre no more help than here |
| 05:05.04 | enouf | Vasistha: "bootable encrypted usb flash" <-- cool factor of +25 ;-) |
| 05:05.21 | grimrider | Vasistha: already thought of that. looked but couldnt fine one |
| 05:05.23 | enouf | grimrider: them's the breaks ;-) |
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| 05:05.39 | enouf | !rtorrent |
| 05:05.40 | dpkg | i heard rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based bittorrent client. It is in debian unstable and testing. For sarge see http://www.backports.org/. |
| 05:05.49 | enouf | !utorrent |
| 05:05.59 | Vasistha | enouf: I think you might have helped me a little getting that set up ... it is awesome! ya gotta invest in a nice drive, though, I spend usd 80 |
| 05:06.15 | enouf | Vasistha: ahh .. which one? |
| 05:06.33 | grimrider | enouf: i really dont wanna switch yet. dlin 4 gigs and its at ~70% |
| 05:06.36 | enouf | 80$ Flash? hrm |
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| 05:06.43 | enouf | 80$ SSD .. yeah :-P |
| 05:07.16 | Vasistha | enouf: it's a kingston, 4 GB, datatraveller II plus ... I think I got it from newegg |
| 05:07.17 | enouf | grimrider: i wish i could think of something worth downloading :-( |
| 05:07.31 | enouf | Vasistha: hrm , ok - cool |
| 05:07.35 | grimrider | enouf: slackware :) |
| 05:07.53 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.32 | Vasistha | enouf: it's really tought to shop for the things ... if you look at the reviews, lots of people complain about the really big+fast drives flat-out DYING. It seemed like this one was the right balance between speed, size, and longevity / reliability |
| 05:08.34 | enouf | i won't even kill X, and you expect me to install another distro? BWAHAHAHA |
| 05:08.54 | grimrider | enouf: yea im gonna try a tri-boot lol. dont see this working well at all |
| 05:09.04 | enouf | Vasistha: great choice then - and cheers on researching PRIOR!! |
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| 05:09.15 | enouf | Vasistha: maybe right up a nice review ;-) |
| 05:09.21 | Vasistha | grimrider: http://www.thinkdigit.com/details.php?article_id=2465 |
| 05:09.21 | enouf | Vasistha: make a factoid ;-) |
| 05:10.24 | enouf | Vasistha: but, when you call it a drive and leave out the word flash (flash drive) i start thinking external USB HDD in an enclosure |
| 05:10.31 | grimrider | Vasistha: yeah nothing in there. already looked. but thanks for tryin |
| 05:10.34 | Vasistha | enouf: well, I think I need to keep using it for another 6 months before my "data point" is really worthwhile. You see complaints from people whose drives died after 3 months or 6 months. I SHOULD write a HOWTO on creating a bootable encrypted usb flash drive, though! |
| 05:10.49 | enouf | Vasistha: indeed! |
| 05:11.14 | Vasistha | enouf: I DID at least finally get around to sending in an installation-report about it last week, heh |
| 05:11.28 | enouf | Vasistha: though - there's something here? http://feraga.com/node/94 |
| 05:11.41 | enouf | Vasistha: that's WAY cool then |
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| 05:12.00 | enouf | so, what happend to bonez? |
| 05:12.03 | enouf | :-( |
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| 05:12.17 | enouf | I was going to tell him; |
| 05:12.18 | enouf | bonez44: if you have a net conn with Etch, but no X, you can still be here, use irssi in a console, or whatever, use screen+irssi - then you can talk to us AND mess with etch and X, and no need to reboot |
| 05:12.26 | Vasistha | enouf: ah, I referenced that tutorial, however I wanted to do my install from the debian netinst cd, rather than from an operating os |
| 05:12.47 | enouf | there's even a nice little "screen+irssi" factoid |
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| 05:13.24 | enouf | Vasistha: i never noticed that's what there = interesting - then indeed! yours needs to be written up! ;-) |
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| 05:13.44 | Vasistha | enouf: I had the impression bonez only has one computer and was booting back and forth between the broken debian and XP (the only way he knows how to get on irc) |
| 05:13.47 | enouf | Vasistha: did you use Etch? or Lenny Beta 2 ? |
| 05:13.57 | enouf | Vasistha: i know |
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| 05:14.06 | enouf | but he left before i could suggest it |
| 05:14.12 | enouf | bonez44: !!! |
| 05:14.12 | Vasistha | enouf: etch - I first did it last december, and again a month ago because I, uh, forgot my password... |
| 05:14.16 | enouf | bonez44: if you have a net conn with Etch, but no X, you can still be here, use irssi in a console, or whatever, use screen+irssi - then you can talk to us AND mess with etch and X, and no need to reboot |
| 05:14.21 | Nitrogen_life | Imagecache requires an ImageAPI Toolkit such as ImageAPI GD or ImageAPI Imagemagick to function. <--- any ideas what package that might be? apt-cache search ImageAPI is fruitless |
| 05:14.23 | enouf | !screen+irssi |
| 05:14.24 | dpkg | [screen+irssi] run "crontab -e" and add "@reboot screen -S irssi -d -m irssi", then (after next reboot) you can attach to irssi using "screen -x irssi" |
| 05:14.28 | bonez44 | enouf: ok..I have gnome running... running pciids finally got 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integrated Video (rev 11) to load up......., but it's only with the VESA drivers...and NOT with the VIA... |
| 05:15.04 | bonez44 | enouf: is it fair to say that if I could get it to run with VIA the video would be faster/better/smoother? or does that really matter? |
| 05:15.06 | enouf | bonez44: ok, in debian sid is the newly packaged -openchrome driver - let me see something |
| 05:15.07 | Ryan52 | ya, and then you forget and reboot 20 times, and when you come back on irc you notice that your banned... |
| 05:15.11 | n3kl | Anyone know why my monitors come back on after suspend to ram? |
| 05:15.24 | enouf | bonez44: yes, vesa is not optimized, but works |
| 05:15.43 | DawnLight | boker tov! good morning |
| 05:15.43 | Vasistha | n3kl: desktop / laptop? external monitor? |
| 05:15.57 | enouf | bonez44: are you using Etch? |
| 05:16.01 | bonez44 | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 05:16.02 | bonez44 | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 05:16.05 | n3kl | Vasistha: Desktop |
| 05:16.21 | bonez44 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.25 | enouf | bonez44: that's fine, no Errors |
| 05:16.32 | bonez44 | enouf: yeah, that's etch |
| 05:16.42 | enouf | you can ignore that AIGLX crap |
| 05:16.53 | enouf | for now, anyway |
| 05:16.58 | n3kl | Vasistha: I can log into the machine and eject the cdrom, so I know its back up and everything, but the monitors are still off. |
| 05:17.06 | Vasistha | bonez44: fyi, my xorg log shows that same error, it's not a problem |
| 05:17.24 | bonez44 | Vasistha: ok, glad to finally have the gui working.. |
| 05:17.41 | Vasistha | n3kl: oh, oh ... I thought you said they "come back on" ... what you mean is that they DON'T come back on after RESUMING from suspend-to-ram |
| 05:17.45 | bonez44 | trying to interest my son, age 12.....in linux.. I could never see it catching with him, just in character mode |
| 05:17.55 | enouf | bonez44: now, give me some moments and consider doing what dpkg mentioned about screen+irssi |
| 05:18.19 | enouf | ..omg pdo is slow |
| 05:18.33 | n3kl | Vasistha: right, the machine itself resumes, but the monitors remain off, er power saving mode |
| 05:18.48 | enouf | crap, it just timed out! why only when i want to use it :-{ |
| 05:18.53 | Vasistha | n3kl: I used to have a similar problem with a particular compaq laptop. ACPI implementations usually suck pretty bad, actually. have you googled for any makes or models? Also, have you tried to switch to console mode? |
| 05:19.03 | enouf | !info xserver-xorg-video-via etch |
| 05:19.24 | bonez44 | ok |
| 05:19.26 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-via: (X.Org X server -- VIA display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 05:19.49 | n3kl | Vasistha: yeah, I am not in X at this point. I don't even have X installed. Working with powersaved now. Googled some, but found nothing |
| 05:20.03 | enouf | bonez44: aptitude install xorg |
| 05:20.12 | enouf | bonez44: then drxx |
| 05:20.20 | enouf | !tell bonez44 -about drxx |
| 05:20.59 | Vasistha | n3kl: oh, interesting. Yeah, on top of the confusion of whether your acpi drivers are working, there are several different toolsets you can use to do the suspension :P I would imagine that the thing you need to be looking up is the make/model of your video card |
| 05:21.03 | enouf | bonez44: select the VIA driver .. the openchrome one is on Lenny , but you might not even need it, want it - via should be much better |
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| 05:21.26 | bonez44 | enouf: I run this > apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-via AND get this > xserver-xorg-video-via is already the newest version. |
| 05:21.40 | n3kl | Vasistha: not motherboard? Interesting... |
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| 05:22.07 | enouf | bonez44: no |
| 05:22.14 | enouf | bonez44: that's not what i said |
| 05:22.23 | bonez44 | sorry...let me reread... |
| 05:22.31 | enouf | you can use apt-get though |
| 05:22.35 | Vasistha | n3kl: well, all the devices are involved -- motherboard, ACPI bus or whatever it is, video card, and the monitor itself -- although I suspect the problem is not with the monitor |
| 05:22.57 | enouf | bonez44: "apt-get install install xorg" |
| 05:23.01 | enouf | gah |
| 05:23.04 | enouf | bonez44: "apt-get install xorg" |
| 05:23.09 | bonez44 | I have xorg installed......ok install |
| 05:23.11 | bonez44 | brb |
| 05:23.17 | enouf | drxx |
| 05:23.38 | n3kl | Vasistha: I think acpi is fully supported, so I will have to alter my google searches. Thanks for the help |
| 05:24.06 | Vasistha | n3kl: uh, I don't know about that. "acpi" varies widely from brand to brand, model to model. |
| 05:24.10 | bonez44 | enouf: in running drxx .. should I choose vesa or via or s3 OR something else? |
| 05:24.42 | bonez44 | oh...openchrome.. ok... I am slow...but I'll get this yet |
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| 05:25.43 | krishmanna | hi i am using debian/etch. it is set up for static networking. dig can resolve any host but i can't ping any host . Would be greatfull for any pointers in this regard ? |
| 05:26.01 | Nitrogen_life | Imagecache requires an ImageAPI Toolkit such as ImageAPI GD or ImageAPI Imagemagick to function. <--- what's the package name for ImageAPI GD ? |
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| 05:26.24 | bonez44 | enouf: ok, I ran through drxx , choosing openchrome.. I assume the changes wont take effect now, until I reboot, right? |
| 05:26.35 | Nitrogen_life | krishmanna: uh, I'm not sure what you mean entirely, but try `man ping` , which should give you want you are looking for |
| 05:26.52 | Nitrogen_life | s/want/what/ |
| 05:27.24 | krishmanna | Nitrogen_life : i can "dig www.google.com" and it works. But "ping www.google.com" fails with "host unknown" |
| 05:27.40 | krishmanna | i can ping 4.2.2.1 and it works |
| 05:27.42 | kingsley | How can one find out what's corrupting a certain ext2 file system? |
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| 05:28.43 | DawnLight | when is the lenny feature freeze planned? |
| 05:29.01 | dererk | soon :) |
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| 05:29.41 | bonez44 | back in a bit |
| 05:29.49 | infotron | !real soon now |
| 05:31.00 | krishmanna | ok figured it out. Had to add the gateway as a dns nameserver , even though i had external dns name servers already in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:31.01 | krishmanna | thanks |
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| 05:31.26 | Nitrogen_life | What's the package name for ImageAPI GD ? |
| 05:32.25 | infotron | !tell Nitrogen_life -about search |
| 05:32.40 | Nitrogen_life | infotron: erm, I have searched :) |
| 05:33.45 | infotron | is it libgd-noxpm-dev or libgd-xpm-dev ? |
| 05:34.10 | enouf | !info+ Imagecache |
| 05:34.23 | enouf | !info Imagecache |
| 05:35.02 | enouf | i know dpkg - but now so do they ;-) |
| 05:35.48 | Nitrogen_life | infotron: hrmph, those look like the old version |
| 05:36.02 | Nitrogen_life | libgd-xpm-dev - GD Graphics Library (old version) |
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| 05:36.43 | owen1 | can my bluetooth work with skype? |
| 05:37.38 | infotron | Nitrogen_life: apt-cache search libgd2 |
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| 05:40.46 | Guerin | !htfswk owen1 |
| 05:40.47 | dpkg | owen1: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 05:41.26 | ootput | howdy. I've a couple of quick questions: with lenny, why does starting mta take so long, despite specifying that it only operate on localhost? Also, when I type 'mail' at the command line to view my mbox, which tool is actually being used? I'd like it so that after reading (or not reading email) that those emails be transferred to maildirs that I have setup in $HOME |
| 05:41.33 | owen1 | how to use bluetooth in debian? |
| 05:41.47 | Nitrogen_life | owen1: check in a skype channel |
| 05:42.00 | infotron | !bluetooth |
| 05:42.02 | dpkg | methinks bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 05:42.04 | Guerin | ootput: re MTA: because the network isn't up. Install nullmailer or somesuch. |
| 05:42.05 | owen1 | Nitrogen_life: ok |
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| 05:42.37 | Nitrogen_life | owen1: however the linux build of skype is buggy and outdated. Assuming you can use the windows build with wine |
| 05:43.23 | owen1 | Nitrogen_life: interesting. so debian users don't use bluetooth? |
| 05:43.36 | Nitrogen_life | owen1: uh, I dont know |
| 05:43.39 | ryty | uses bluetooth |
| 05:43.46 | ryty | ..and runs debian |
| 05:43.53 | infotron | !tell owen1 -about bluetooth |
| 05:44.00 | infotron | owen1: /query dpkg |
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| 05:46.46 | n3kl | What package contains the s2ram package? |
| 05:46.59 | n3kl | er.. |
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| 05:48.45 | Guerin | have you tried aptitude install fucking-search-for-it-instead-of-expecting-us-to-do-so-you-lazy-bastard ? |
| 05:49.00 | ootput | Guerin: thankyou |
| 05:49.03 | Guerin | i find that package most useful |
| 05:49.09 | Guerin | ootput: welcome |
| 05:49.21 | |inuxmath | Guerin, apt-get fucking-search? :) |
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| 05:49.45 | infinitycircuit | n3kl: uswsusp |
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| 05:50.22 | n3kl | infinitycircuit: how did you find that out? |
| 05:50.28 | ootput | Guerin: package description doesn't suggest that it'll conflict with another package. Will I just install this alongside whatever came by default on the system- exim4? |
| 05:50.40 | infinitycircuit | n3kl: apt-file search s2ram |
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| 05:50.58 | infotron | !tell n3kl -about search |
| 05:51.07 | Guerin | ootput: nul;lmailer replaces your existing MTA. It's a relay-only MTA, not a full-scale smtpd. |
| 05:51.08 | vikasa | hello all |
| 05:51.25 | vikasa | how do we come to know if the regional font has been installed or not? |
| 05:51.51 | thuperman | Hi, everyone, how do you manage ebooks? which software can tag, search, organize them? |
| 05:51.52 | ootput | Guerin: oh right :D selecting it for installation sparked the exim4 conflict. Premature reaction I suppose :D |
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| 05:52.23 | infotron | thuperman: printer + marker + 3ring binders ;) |
| 05:52.26 | DawnLight | isn't there a testing netinst? |
| 05:53.15 | Guerin | DawnLight: no. |
| 05:53.31 | thuperman | I mean pdfs |
| 05:53.40 | DawnLight | growls horribly |
| 05:53.43 | vikasa | I installed a package called ttf-kannada-fonts, it is a language recognizing font |
| 05:53.47 | infotron | thuperman: pdf xchange viewer runs in wine |
| 05:54.01 | infotron | DawnLight: #debian-boot |
| 05:54.01 | vikasa | I'm not able to verify whether it has been installed or not. |
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| 05:54.12 | syntech | hi |
| 05:54.51 | thuperman | can pdf xchange add tags to pdfs, and can search through tags? |
| 05:55.01 | vikasa | could anybody throw some light on this? |
| 05:55.07 | Guerin | using a wine app for that is fucktarded |
| 05:55.11 | infotron | thuperman: define 'tag' |
| 05:55.19 | infinitycircuit | i'm having some trouble with fglrx installed through m-a, i get this error when I try to start X and it just totally shuts off the screen |
| 05:55.20 | infinitycircuit | http://paste.debian.net/10983/ |
| 05:55.20 | Guerin | keep your metadata in a separate file, preferably in plain text |
| 05:55.26 | infotron | Guerin: then suggest something already. |
| 05:55.31 | Guerin | infotron: just did. |
| 05:55.42 | thuperman | for example, tech, novel, history, etc. |
| 05:56.27 | infotron | thuperman: directories too old fashioned for that? |
| 05:56.53 | infotron | if you want some unseen app, hire a programmer to develop it. or make due with what's around. |
| 05:56.58 | Guerin | maybe they're just not uber enough |
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| 05:57.23 | thuperman | yep, not so convenient, a book can in different categories |
| 05:57.37 | infotron | symlinks |
| 05:57.48 | thuperman | I'm using google desktop now. but not the way I like |
| 05:57.57 | Guerin | grah |
| 05:57.59 | Guerin | fail |
| 05:58.59 | enouf | !test |
| 05:59.00 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 05:59.00 | Dewi | if I create a chroot, and hard link inside the chroot to the binaries I need |
| 05:59.08 | Dewi | and I mean the main system binaries in real /usr/bin etc |
| 05:59.15 | Dewi | is that insecure? |
| 05:59.17 | thuperman | I want to find a software like picasa, but to manage pdfs |
| 05:59.32 | Dewi | I've heard people suggest that somebody could change these files, but not if they aren't root, right? |
| 05:59.41 | Dewi | and if they somehow get root, they can escape the chroot anyway |
| 05:59.47 | enouf | Dewi: look at schroot |
| 06:00.05 | Dewi | I'm also wondering about identifying what binaries things need |
| 06:00.08 | enouf | oh, then , for users? like chroot jail? |
| 06:00.15 | Dewi | well I'm looking at fastcgi + php |
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| 06:00.22 | Dewi | ldd my main tool? |
| 06:00.26 | enouf | use scponlyc or use a VM |
| 06:00.28 | Dewi | will that pick up everything or just most things? |
| 06:00.47 | Dewi | enouf: not for users, just web apps; I don't trust a lot of the PHP code out there |
| 06:01.24 | Dewi | the core distributions are okay, but every wordpress or joomla site seems to need a few potentially nasty plugins installed |
| 06:01.33 | enouf | whacks Nyle upside the head for saying a good guitar player finds it easy to type :-P |
| 06:01.37 | Dewi | or templates, if you want a non-default look.... |
| 06:01.37 | enouf | fucken nonsense |
| 06:01.45 | owen1 | what repository is bluez-utils? |
| 06:02.08 | enouf | it depends on the size of your fingers and hands you weenie |
| 06:02.23 | infotron | owen1: apt-cache policy bluez-utils |
| 06:02.30 | owen1 | infotron: tanks |
| 06:02.33 | enouf | Dewi: i don't trust a lot of any code ;-) |
| 06:02.38 | Dewi | enouf: indeed |
| 06:03.03 | enouf | Dewi: better is vserver - or xen |
| 06:03.07 | Dewi | enouf: so will 'ldd' identify everything I need? Are there looser bindings it won't pick up, or is that vanishingly rare? |
| 06:03.17 | Dewi | enouf: I'm already in a xen |
| 06:03.21 | enouf | Dewi: or other various incantations of UML |
| 06:03.23 | Dewi | enouf: but I want to run isolated web apps |
| 06:03.34 | enouf | tried lguest? hrm .. |
| 06:04.01 | Dewi | enouf: things like cpanel use chrooting, but I'd rather something that did less taking-over-the-whole-system (and also less cost) |
| 06:04.02 | enouf | Dewi: i can't say offhand about what ldd will see/find |
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| 06:05.11 | Dewi | enouf: it's just that I read *so* many guides and things that say "now create a chroot jail here...", as if it's really obvious how to supply the binaries etc :P |
| 06:05.21 | enouf | haha |
| 06:05.38 | enouf | there are many moronic tuts out there |
| 06:06.15 | enouf | but, on the other hand - thank goodness for those that (try and) contribute |
| 06:06.18 | Dewi | I just found some mailing lists talking about bind mounts, I have no idea what they are but people are saying they are more secure than hard-linking. It sounds more annoying and I'm not sure what the advantage is |
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| 06:07.31 | Dewi | enouf: yeah. I get very frustrated with all the half-baked contributions out there in the world. Hell, it's half-baked plugins for wordpress etc that cause me to feel like chroots around PHP are necessary. But without the half-baked contribs we probably wouldn't have awesome ones. |
| 06:07.33 | enouf | Dewi: well, by --bind mounting you can specify mount options |
| 06:07.48 | enouf | like nodev, noexec |
| 06:07.49 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, but apparently not -r |
| 06:07.58 | Dewi | enouf: which is the obvious one you'd expect to help |
| 06:08.07 | enouf | -r ? |
| 06:08.11 | Dewi | read-only |
| 06:08.13 | enouf | what the f? |
| 06:08.15 | Dewi | ro |
| 06:08.15 | enouf | ro |
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| 06:08.22 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:08.28 | enouf | typ o |
| 06:08.29 | Dewi | yeah, I normally lazily type mount -r instead of mount -o ro |
| 06:08.51 | enouf | i'm need to mount more often O_p |
| 06:09.06 | Dewi | "-r A synonym of -o ro." |
| 06:09.13 | enouf | grah . .ruined that one with the l |
| 06:09.35 | Dewi | I type mount all the time. I don't run any sort of automount :) |
| 06:10.30 | infotron | what on fscking earth? http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=60459 $95 for 512mb usb flash? |
| 06:10.31 | enouf | same here, but once i mount, i'm usually happy with it, and let 'er ride :-) |
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| 06:11.10 | Dewi | enouf: yeah. But last year I left an external 1.5TB disk turned on for 6 months solid, used as a primary HD, and it kind of died. |
| 06:11.28 | enouf | infotron: they're testing out the Big Oil strategy |
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| 06:11.58 | Dewi | enouf: so now I treat it nice and gingerly... I don't think they have very good power or cooling. And you can't even run proper diagnostics with SMART in linux yet |
| 06:12.02 | enouf | infotron: Both will soon be long forgotten - so they try to rape while they can |
| 06:12.11 | Dewi | in debian yet, anyway |
| 06:12.30 | Dewi | (I'm talking about over USB, people, before anyone accuses me of not knowing about smartctl) |
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| 06:13.04 | enouf | Dewi: well there are atleast a few more failure (prone) points with an external vs internal |
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| 06:13.44 | enouf | Dewi: throw it into internal |
| 06:13.45 | Dewi | enouf: yeah. I try not to buy them. But they are so cheap and easy to install |
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| 06:14.14 | Dewi | enouf: I run out of internal SATA ports and internal overcrowding leads to cooling problems :) |
| 06:14.18 | enouf | 1.5 TB disk? hrm .. didn;t even know they made those |
| 06:14.31 | Dewi | enouf: it's 2 x 750s tied together |
| 06:14.45 | Dewi | enouf: so I don't think the new over-USB SMART would even work |
| 06:14.50 | Dewi | enouf: I call it the brick |
| 06:15.04 | enouf | not when your cooling system is a 15000 BTU Air conditioner ;-) |
| 06:15.43 | Dewi | enouf: I live in sub-tropical australia and my house is 1 big room, so aircon is pretty expensive |
| 06:16.03 | enouf | funneled directly onto the drives ;-) well duh .. 2 x 750 in a small enclosure ? lmao |
| 06:16.17 | Vasistha | enouf: I was just reading slashdot, I think seagate just announced a 1.5 TB desktop drive |
| 06:16.18 | Dewi | enouf: I have a fan pointed at it :) |
| 06:16.30 | enouf | ever hear of ducting? :-P |
| 06:16.48 | enouf | or even water cooled? or even NO2 ? :-P |
| 06:17.02 | Dewi | enouf: Couldn't find any package matching "ducting". |
| 06:17.03 | enouf | dip it in Mineral oil :-P |
| 06:17.09 | enouf | hides |
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| 06:17.40 | Dewi | enouf: I'm not that practical in the real physical world |
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| 06:18.23 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_%28HVAC%29 |
| 06:18.30 | ootput | any of you care to help me with nullmailer? Installation prompts me for fully qualified domain name, and smarthost. I'm a bit clueless as to what I should provide to either as I only want mail sent on localhost (system reports etc.) |
| 06:19.25 | Dewi | ootput: the dpkgs for postfix and probably exim4 have that as a preconfigure template. Never heard of nullmailer |
| 06:19.49 | enouf | Dewi: this should cool er down a bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:X-22a_onground_bw.jpg |
| 06:20.22 | Dewi | enouf: cute |
| 06:20.33 | enouf | :-) |
| 06:20.47 | castoff | ootput you don't even need an smtp daemon to send local mail |
| 06:20.56 | ootput | Dewi: i was introduced to nullmailer as a way to prevent the network lookup of exim4 (default on lenny) that stalled boot. |
| 06:21.34 | enouf | ootput: i think you can leave the FQDN and Smartmailer blank |
| 06:21.56 | enouf | ootput: or if not, call it localdomain.org or somecrap |
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| 06:22.16 | enouf | erm s/smartmailer/smarthost |
| 06:23.03 | Dewi | ootput: I think I remember that reverse lookup. Can't you just fix your /etc/hosts? |
| 06:25.37 | enouf | ootput: i just stop exim4 from ever loading |
| 06:25.59 | enouf | ootput: but then again, i don't do email - system mail works fine though |
| 06:26.58 | owen1 | sudo hidd --search returns this:No devices in range or visible any ideas? |
| 06:27.31 | enouf | owen1: check logs, dmesg |
| 06:28.02 | enouf | owen1: install hcitools? or is that now bluez-* ? or part of? |
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| 06:29.09 | owen1 | enouf: i installed bluez-tools |
| 06:29.23 | owen1 | the log is long. what hould i look for? |
| 06:29.34 | enouf | owen1: no idea mate |
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| 06:29.55 | owen1 | enouf: np. thanks |
| 06:30.04 | enouf | make sure your device is seen and has the required modules loaded |
| 06:30.39 | owen1 | enouf: is there a site that checks competability of bluetooth? |
| 06:31.24 | enouf | owen1: not that i know of .. sorry - you might want to run update-pciids and update-usbids |
| 06:32.59 | enouf | owen1: did you see the "/msg dpkg bluetooth" factoid and URLs? |
| 06:33.11 | owen1 | enouf: i followed it |
| 06:33.30 | enouf | owen1: ok |
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| 06:33.56 | enouf | owen1: does lsusb -v show the device? |
| 06:34.20 | owen1 | enouf: installed bluez-utils and run idd --search |
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| 06:34.26 | owen1 | enouf: one sec |
| 06:34.56 | enouf | BT things are usually USB connected, no? |
| 06:35.16 | Dewi | enouf: BT interfaces / adapters? |
| 06:35.26 | enouf | you got me |
| 06:35.33 | enouf | no friggin clue man |
| 06:35.44 | Dewi | enouf: on laptops they are built in |
| 06:36.13 | enouf | not a "gogo-gadget-gidget" kinda guy |
| 06:36.39 | Dewi | enouf: BT is too flawed to be that useful on desktops IMO |
| 06:36.50 | owen1 | enouf: i can't see it there |
| 06:36.56 | Dewi | on laptops it's great, but on my desktop I get frustrated and just plug things in |
| 06:37.12 | owen1 | Dewi: enouf i am with laptop |
| 06:37.18 | enouf | owen1: ok, try dmesg and look for your device and any blue stuff |
| 06:37.38 | enouf | Dewi: why would anyone need BT on a craptop? |
| 06:37.41 | Dewi | owen1: hmm. It could still be USB inside, of course. Not sure how likely that is |
| 06:37.46 | enouf | Dewi: you already have wifi |
| 06:38.08 | enouf | Dewi: i'm sure it is a usb conn inside |
| 06:38.12 | enouf | pretty |
| 06:38.18 | Dewi | enouf: mice, headphones, and mobile phones don't use wifi |
| 06:38.27 | enouf | why not? |
| 06:38.40 | Dewi | enouf: probably power reasons |
| 06:38.54 | enouf | scratches |
| 06:39.03 | Dewi | enouf: wifi is way faster and longer range than BT is designed to be. Also, BT has built in security and various protocols |
| 06:39.08 | enouf | shakes head violently |
| 06:39.11 | Dewi | (whereas wifi is just an ethernet emulation) |
| 06:39.37 | enouf | erm ever hear of WPA/TKIP ? |
| 06:40.01 | Dewi | not the kind of security I mean |
| 06:40.12 | enouf | what kind? |
| 06:40.28 | enouf | then |
| 06:40.30 | Dewi | the kind where devices casually peer, using PIN numbers |
| 06:40.41 | enouf | huh? |
| 06:40.50 | Dewi | like certs, only normal people understand |
| 06:40.54 | Dewi | :) |
| 06:41.03 | enouf | nm me man - i don;t even give a crap |
| 06:41.04 | Dewi | like certs, but simple enough that normal people understand |
| 06:41.13 | Dewi | (reword) |
| 06:41.33 | enouf | Certs .. with Retsin? |
| 06:41.45 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:41.56 | Dewi | enouf: would you seriously plug a mouse into your ethernet hub though? |
| 06:42.02 | Dewi | enouf: and give it an IP address, set up DHCP |
| 06:42.08 | Dewi | enouf: and all the rest? :) |
| 06:42.18 | Dewi | let it through your firewall |
| 06:42.23 | Dewi | without allowing all mice through... |
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| 06:42.36 | enouf | Dewi: no, i use ps/2 |
| 06:42.39 | Dewi | BT tries to emulate the simplicity of plugging in USB |
| 06:43.02 | Dewi | ethernet -> wifi, RS232 -> USB -> BT |
| 06:43.04 | owen1 | enouf: can't see my device in the log |
| 06:43.06 | enouf | Dewi: but USB fails so miserably already - emulating it must really suck ass |
| 06:43.28 | enouf | owen1: well .. i'm out of ideas .. apologies |
| 06:43.29 | Dewi | enouf: hehe. |
| 06:44.11 | Dewi | owen1: so you can't find your actual BT adapter yet? |
| 06:44.17 | owen1 | enouf: np. maybe i am not doing something right with my ear piece. |
| 06:44.42 | Dewi | owen1: checked for mystery devices in lspci, and /proc/bus/usb ? |
| 06:45.29 | Dewi | owen1: or are you reasonably satisfied hidd is working? |
| 06:45.59 | Dewi | unfortunately, I also have no experience with BT in linux. |
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| 06:46.25 | owen1 | Dewi: i don't know. i just run hidd --search |
| 06:46.25 | Dewi | ("BT" makes me think "british telecom". Should probably stop typing it) |
| 06:47.32 | Dewi | owen1: can you confirm your eatpiece is in a working state by using it with some other device? |
| 06:47.49 | Dewi | owen1: or find a blue-tooth capable mobile phone or mouse or something and see if that gets found? |
| 06:47.58 | owen1 | Dewi: it's working with my cellular |
| 06:48.11 | Dewi | owen1: hidd --search finds it? |
| 06:49.12 | Dewi | (hmm... when I say 'mobile' do americans realise I mean my phone? Or do they think I'm hanging trinkets from a ceiling or something?) |
| 06:49.20 | owen1 | Dewi: find what? i have no other device. i actually have dinovo keyboard. |
| 06:50.03 | owen1 | Dewi: trinkets |
| 06:50.06 | Dewi | owen1: wasn't sure if you meant your cell-phone finds the earpiece, or your laptop running linux |
| 06:50.19 | owen1 | Dewi: my phone finds it. |
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| 06:51.43 | Dewi | owen1: I'm out of ideas. But I'd focus on trying to work out whether you still need to configure your internal bluetooth adapter, or the earpiece. It's sounding like the former. |
| 06:52.41 | owen1 | Dewi: ok. thanks |
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| 06:56.59 | enouf | Dewi: mobile in any computer oriented channel certainly doesn't conjure up images of Baby Cribs |
| 06:57.40 | enouf | but, doesn't necessarily imply a phone either ;-) |
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| 06:58.04 | Dewi | enouf: it does in .au, and maybe western europe |
| 06:58.20 | Dewi | just one of those things |
| 06:59.34 | Dewi | I imagine I forget to translate frequently and say confusing things |
| 06:59.51 | enouf | Dewi: it means that here - but most Americans wouldn't see it in that context on a Channel like this |
| 07:00.28 | enouf | (it means that here +as well) |
| 07:00.43 | enouf | but it could also mean you're referring to your Car ;-) |
| 07:01.32 | enouf | oh crap, you were answering to my 'phone' thing, i thought you mean mobile == baby cribs |
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| 07:01.41 | Dewi | ja |
| 07:01.47 | enouf | well Craptops are mobile |
| 07:01.58 | enouf | and so are cars, and bikes, and ... |
| 07:02.20 | Dewi | do people actually say 'mobile ? |
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| 07:02.28 | enouf | all those stupid gadgets, like PDAs and Blackberrys and that crao |
| 07:02.38 | Dewi | enouf: those are "mobile devices" afaik :P |
| 07:02.38 | enouf | sure |
| 07:03.25 | enouf | well .. do you mean a noun or a verb or an adjective? |
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| 07:03.49 | enouf | mobile is not considered a noun, unless you mean the baby crib thingys |
| 07:04.03 | Dewi | I meant for automobiles, do people shorten that to 'mobile and say "mo-beele" ? |
| 07:04.26 | enouf | "i'm going mobile" ;-) is the verb usage |
| 07:04.42 | enouf | </the who> |
| 07:05.08 | Dewi | heh. I feel like I'm talking through two layers of translation sometimes, because I tend to talk a bastardized mix of en_UK and en_AU. en_US seems very remote sometimes. |
| 07:05.08 | enouf | no, not really, maybe some southern, toothless fuckwits might |
| 07:05.37 | enouf | well, you can see the extent of my language skills O_o |
| 07:06.06 | Dewi | enouf: yeah, it doesn't help that the USA is ridiculously diverse. In all the hugeness of Australia we've barely developed any diversity (there is some, though) |
| 07:06.33 | enouf | we say car or truck to mean automobile, even automobile is rarely used, except for writing |
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| 07:07.11 | Dewi | enouf: it's not used here either. I can barely think of the word without some strange eastern-USA accent |
| 07:07.15 | enouf | too many syllables otherwise :-P |
| 07:07.40 | enouf | we'll say SUV though :-P |
| 07:08.23 | enouf | "Pickup: to mean a pickup truck , "Van" to mean that ... etc |
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| 07:09.12 | Dewi | SUV's are known as 4-wheel-drives here (even though some normal-sized cars have 4WD) |
| 07:09.21 | enouf | Dewi: you make me talk too much ,, you aussie freak you :-P |
| 07:09.42 | Dewi | it only occurred to me like this week that when you say "trunk" on a car you mean it like a wooden trunk or something, a "chest" |
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| 07:09.49 | Dewi | which made me realise I have nfi why we call it a "boot" |
| 07:09.51 | enouf | sure, same here .. |
| 07:10.10 | enouf | lmao |
| 07:10.13 | enouf | boot? |
| 07:10.32 | Dewi | yeah, bonnet and boot outside the USA. Bonnet -> hood is easy enough to figure out, but the other one escapes me |
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| 07:10.47 | enouf | Storage trunk .. as opposed to the elephant thing :-P |
| 07:10.57 | Dewi | anyway somebody's definitely gonna slap this OT soon. I'd better run away I think |
| 07:11.19 | Dewi | enouf: yeah I literally never worked that out because "trunk" meaning "chest" is archaic usage here |
| 07:11.33 | Dewi | enouf: still known, but not common usage |
| 07:11.51 | enouf | sure, interesting diffs though |
| 07:12.26 | enouf | Dewi: hey! BOOT = Back Of Our Truck! |
| 07:13.11 | enouf | put it in the BOOT = put it in the Back Of Our Truck! :-P |
| 07:13.14 | Dewi | the only thing I can think of is that UK and USA can for some reason consider the front as the "head" of the car, with a bonnet or hood on the top. And we extended that to consider the rear the foot, onto which we slip a boot? That's probably it, but I think it's strange |
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| 07:13.57 | Dewi | but I probably only think it's strange because my car anatomical reasoning is totally coloured by Transformers |
| 07:14.02 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 07:14.27 | enouf | no wonder you people are upside down, you're trying to have use the foot as the rear :-P |
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| 07:15.36 | Dewi | enouf: well certainly on the road, we don't complain about people behind us treading on our feet, we say "that idiot driver was right on my arse the entire time" |
| 07:16.04 | enouf | correct ;-) arse == rear != foot :-P |
| 07:16.06 | Dewi | so our metaphors are broken in this case. |
| 07:16.12 | enouf | unless... lmao |
| 07:16.28 | extor | Are people who write C# and ASP.NET scripts to run in mono considered sane? |
| 07:16.45 | Dewi | extor: Nobody understands how those people sleep at night |
| 07:16.49 | enouf | Dewi: maybe the indigenous people used Boots to store things ;-) |
| 07:16.51 | Dewi | extor: we all *hate* them |
| 07:16.56 | Dewi | extor: j/k :) |
| 07:17.01 | extor | k |
| 07:17.16 | extor | I was thinking of becoming one of those people |
| 07:17.29 | Dewi | extor: personally I'm a little worried the GC isn't quite up to scratch in mono. But years keep passing and I'm sure it gets better |
| 07:17.48 | extor | What is GC? |
| 07:17.52 | Dewi | garbage collector |
| 07:17.54 | enouf | gcc |
| 07:17.57 | enouf | oh |
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| 07:18.05 | Bushmills | !ridicule extor |
| 07:18.05 | dpkg | Are you aware, extor, that your father was a hamster? |
| 07:18.18 | extor | Also...you do realize the skills are transferrable to Visual Studio projects, right? I assume they are make you a better .net programmer too but I could be wrong about that. |
| 07:18.25 | Eulex | and your mother smelt of elderberries! ;) |
| 07:18.27 | enouf | oh, mono? isn;t that a bad throat infection? |
| 07:19.18 | Dewi | extor: sure, afaik mono is fairly compatible with dotnet, except for the Windows Forms and Web Forms stuff which had some patent issues |
| 07:20.01 | Eulex | extor, what's the use for those scripts of yours that you were going to write? |
| 07:20.07 | Dewi | extor: but it all depends how long it takes them to get to full compatibility. The open-source java things are quite maligned because they never quite make it |
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| 07:21.12 | mxmx | whattsup |
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| 07:21.23 | extor | Eulex, its a first project |
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| 07:21.31 | Eulex | extor, ok |
| 07:21.38 | extor | Dewi, this queston was for a simple script |
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| 07:22.06 | extor | Eulex, I want to write a script from scratch which is a clone of proxyroll.com and I was trying to decide between writing it in perl, php and C#/ASP |
| 07:22.24 | extor | Because obviously whichever lingo I chose...my skills would be upgraded in that one |
| 07:22.30 | mxmx | is there a unrar utilty for debian etch? |
| 07:22.38 | enouf | Dewi: i just need to correct myself; i'm going mobile <-- is an adverb there, IINM |
| 07:22.40 | extor | yes there is..a free and non free version of unrar |
| 07:22.57 | mxmx | apt-get install unrar? |
| 07:23.14 | Eulex | !tell mxmx about search |
| 07:23.39 | enouf | you'll need non-free for rar 3 |
| 07:23.41 | mxmx | thanks |
| 07:23.43 | enouf | or later |
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| 07:24.32 | vikasa | has anyone here used ffplay on debian? |
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| 07:24.54 | ootput | Dewi, enouf: sorry for not responding earlier |
| 07:25.01 | enouf | !anyone here used ffplay on debian |
| 07:25.12 | enouf | !does anyone here used ffplay on debian |
| 07:25.29 | ootput | Dewi: I've tried fixing /etc/hosts, and mail from root to user seems fine, but user does not receive anything |
| 07:25.31 | mxmx | i use mplayer |
| 07:25.32 | enouf | crap .. well ask more specifically vikasa |
| 07:25.49 | ootput | Dewi: /var/spool/nullmailer shows activity in 'queue' but nothing transpires |
| 07:26.04 | ootput | enouf: how is system mail done without any particular mta? |
| 07:26.06 | vikasa | enouf: I get an error when i try to play a video..the video is being played but no audio |
| 07:26.06 | sorsis | is it possible to do such handler which would write some data on hdd or pass data, about passthrough package, via nic to another app which is listening some port? |
| 07:26.17 | sorsis | i want this to firewall |
| 07:26.40 | vikasa | enouf: this is what I get when I give ffplay filename.avi: ALSA lib confmisc.c:670:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0' |
| 07:27.01 | vikasa | enouf: along with several such lines of greek and latin |
| 07:27.07 | enouf | ootput: i don't know - it's likely exim4 doing it underneath, but i don't let it run at boot and it;s not running any daemons or anything |
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| 07:27.42 | Decepticon | how do iget a list of ALL users on the system (be they system or not ) |
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| 07:27.57 | enouf | vikasa: ok, you can prefave each command with LANG=C to get english |
| 07:28.11 | sorsis | Decepticon: read /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow |
| 07:28.11 | vdsy | who ? Decepticon |
| 07:28.13 | enouf | vikasa: also - cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:28.19 | vdsy | aahhhh |
| 07:28.23 | castoff | ootput it calls the "sendmail" binary a single time |
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| 07:29.23 | castoff | ootput was that clear? |
| 07:29.28 | ootput | castoff: so mailx (and anything similar) and mta's aren't necessary? |
| 07:29.47 | ootput | I'm just interested in system mail, but would like them forwarded to maildirs |
| 07:30.08 | enouf | !info ssmtp |
| 07:30.13 | dpkg | ssmtp: (extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.62-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 0 kB |
| 07:30.39 | Decepticon | sorsis which of the users listed in /etc/passwd are significant in terms of CPU usage (besides the actual human users) |
| 07:30.53 | Decepticon | that i can quantify and graph |
| 07:30.58 | enouf | haha |
| 07:30.58 | castoff | ootput you still need exim4 or some other mta but it does not have to run as a daemon |
| 07:30.59 | vikasa | enouf: unfortuanately, there is no directory like asound in /proc |
| 07:31.28 | enouf | vikasa: you're not using debian? |
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| 07:32.03 | castoff | ootput it only has to run as a daemon if you are receiving outside mail |
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| 07:32.22 | vikasa | enouf: no. I'm using Damn Small Linux. Thought they had atleast little similarity |
| 07:32.25 | ootput | enouf: I'm already using msmtp to ship mail out to remote smtp servers, but the msmtp-mta package in repo doesn't know what to do with local delivery |
| 07:33.02 | enouf | vikasa: sorry , we can't help with that - try ##linux and #damnsmalllinux |
| 07:33.14 | sorsis | Decepticon: dunno. |
| 07:33.16 | ootput | castoff: so the important 'relays' for any mta would be localhost or anything linked to it in /etc/hosts? |
| 07:33.18 | vikasa | enouf: ok. thanks anyway. |
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| 07:33.22 | enouf | !tell vikasa -about based on debian |
| 07:33.26 | Ryan52 | enouf: thanks for helping me earlier...it really saved me...the one time when I was gonna release something without testing there was actaully a bug :D |
| 07:33.27 | Decepticon | sorsis, ftp www-data ? |
| 07:33.33 | Decepticon | sorsis, daemon, bin? |
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| 07:34.03 | enouf | ootput: others here are much more knowledgeable about those things |
| 07:34.21 | castoff | ootput you need no relays...relays means all mail is forwarded |
| 07:34.26 | foo | lshw shows me my two ethernet controls, but the system doesn't see them. I think I need to load the modules. One is a 3com and the other a Rhine II. any tips? currently on cell phone until I get internet |
| 07:34.42 | sorsis | Decepticon: bin and daemon would propaply eat cpu resources. ftp and www-data nic would be bandwidth intesive |
| 07:34.57 | Decepticon | i see |
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| 07:35.02 | Decepticon | and root i should put in |
| 07:35.10 | Decepticon | as a "human user" |
| 07:35.17 | sorsis | Decepticon: see what propgrams use those most via top or another similar proc |
| 07:35.21 | enouf | Ryan52: cool - glad you found it |
| 07:35.25 | Decepticon | or would root mean more of the system services and such? |
| 07:35.40 | sorsis | Decepticon: read from the logs how much network traffic you are having |
| 07:36.07 | foo | enouf: any ideas? hm |
| 07:36.08 | sorsis | Decepticon: more or less. i hope you don't use root much for your own purposes |
| 07:36.09 | ootput | enouf: sure. thanks for your time |
| 07:36.12 | enouf | foo: if you're asking about Ubuntu --- DON'T |
| 07:36.18 | Bushmills | foo, modprobe via-rhine 3c59x |
| 07:36.21 | Decepticon | sorsis no, so i expect it to be more of system services |
| 07:37.05 | Decepticon | Bushmills hello |
| 07:37.06 | Bushmills | hi Decepticon |
| 07:37.16 | Decepticon | Bushmills do you want to see my munin set up :) |
| 07:37.19 | enouf | foo: is that the earlier box that has ubuntu 6.06 and renamed ifaces from eth1/2 to 3/4 ? |
| 07:37.23 | Bushmills | yes sure |
| 07:37.30 | Decepticon | pm? |
| 07:37.35 | Bushmills | ok |
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| 07:39.01 | MrBobBar1er | hey, is there a command to regenerate the default configuration file for a specific package? |
| 07:39.04 | MrBobBar1er | sort of like dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:39.11 | MrBobBar1er | but.... just to install the default config file |
| 07:39.28 | hoxu | !confmiss |
| 07:39.28 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 07:39.29 | enouf | !confmiss |
| 07:39.41 | enouf | hoxu: bastage :-) |
| 07:39.42 | hoxu | !comfort enouf |
| 07:39.42 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:39.46 | MrBobBar1er | thanks guys |
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| 07:40.01 | enouf | !marry hoxu and anybody |
| 07:40.01 | dpkg | hoxu, do you take anybody to be your lawfully wedded spouse? anybody, do you take hoxu? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 07:40.20 | hoxu | !turday |
| 07:40.20 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. Exits: </part>, </quit> |
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| 07:42.16 | beardy | pull beard |
| 07:42.35 | vorpal | hmmm, i think the wall thing is actually better than the rotating cube... |
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| 07:43.49 | foo | Bushmills: thank you. 3c59x worked. Now if only I can find out why LAN isn't working. |
| 07:44.04 | beardy | kick lunatic |
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| 07:44.19 | beardy | pee wall |
| 07:44.39 | beardy | Crap interpretor. |
| 07:44.42 | vorpal | pushes beardy over the event horizon |
| 07:44.46 | beardy | interpretator? |
| 07:45.03 | beardy | interpreter.. ah yes. |
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| 07:45.27 | streuner1 | foo: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 07:50.52 | jmhealey | hola |
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| 07:52.09 | vorpal | bien venido |
| 07:52.57 | portablejim | Is there a way to cache package info so that other computers on the LAN can get the package info w/o having to download it off the net again? |
| 07:53.47 | enouf | !apt-ftparchive |
| 07:53.48 | vorpal | portablejim: apt-cacher ;-) |
| 07:54.15 | Internat | apt-proxy? |
| 07:54.18 | hoxu | apt-proxy also, but it seems to suck |
| 07:54.56 | vorpal | yeah, apt-cacher is better in my experience |
| 07:55.28 | portablejim | I mean the package lists (the file that says what packages there are available. |
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| 07:56.41 | vorpal | portablejim: ultimately there is going to be a connection to the mirror, but that is a very small amount of data |
| 07:56.51 | mxmx | ok |
| 07:57.05 | mxmx | i tried installing unrar, and i got the following error message |
| 07:57.06 | mxmx | http://www.hashbin.com/8rm |
| 07:57.07 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.59 | portablejim | so there is no way to cache the package info, since people think it is not worth saving? |
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| 07:58.41 | vorpal | portablejim: why do you think it is not being saved? |
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| 07:58.50 | stiv2k | Hello why is ntfs-3g using like 80%+ CPU?!? |
| 07:59.10 | hoxu | portablejim, those cachers probably cache the package lists as well, but I'm not sure we really understand what you mean |
| 07:59.24 | hoxu | !!!! |
| 07:59.25 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 07:59.39 | castoff | a retorical question? |
| 07:59.43 | mxmx | anyone? |
| 07:59.51 | enouf | hands hoxu some ?¿ marks |
| 07:59.57 | hoxu | !enouf |
| 07:59.57 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
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| 08:00.03 | hoxu | :> |
| 08:00.09 | enouf | :-p |
| 08:00.13 | vorpal | add some !¡ |
| 08:00.28 | hoxu | mxmx, you did run apt-get update, didn't you, as it suggested? |
| 08:00.36 | mxmx | i havent |
| 08:00.43 | hoxu | really. |
| 08:00.45 | mxmx | yes |
| 08:00.51 | hoxu | !penixstrike mxmx |
| 08:00.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mxmx to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:00.55 | mxmx | last thing i did was add the kernel source |
| 08:01.07 | portablejim | I use Apt-cacher on Ubuntu (yes, it's not debian, but this channel is quiter, etc) and when I refresh the package lists, it downloads them from the net. |
| 08:01.28 | hoxu | mxmx, if you are incapable of reading advice from commands, what makes you think advice from irc would make a difference? |
| 08:01.50 | mxmx | lat time i ran -update it was a mess |
| 08:01.59 | enouf | haha |
| 08:01.59 | mxmx | i'll run it |
| 08:02.06 | vorpal | portablejim: it will pay to understand how the process works |
| 08:02.07 | hoxu | mxmx, then start by fixing that, obviously your sources.list has garbage in it |
| 08:02.23 | enouf | portablejim: we can't support *buntu her |
| 08:02.24 | mxmx | ok |
| 08:02.51 | castoff | her? i'll support her ;-) |
| 08:03.18 | Internat | oh gee. the bruteforce kiddies are back again.. |
| 08:03.19 | mxmx | hmm |
| 08:03.19 | mxmx | Package unrar-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:03.22 | hoxu | portablejim, what is "it"? If you mean apt-cacher, yes, something *has* to fetch the package lists from the server |
| 08:03.22 | mxmx | bah |
| 08:03.35 | hoxu | mxmx, show us your sources.list |
| 08:03.40 | Internat | in pastebin! |
| 08:03.48 | mxmx | hm |
| 08:03.51 | mxmx | scary |
| 08:04.12 | portablejim | I mean the second time. |
| 08:04.23 | mxmx | http://pastebin.ca/1069889 |
| 08:04.48 | hoxu | portablejim, does it fetch the full package list? |
| 08:04.49 | Internat | i dont know why that pb always returns a blank page to me :/ |
| 08:04.50 | enouf | portablejim: every update requires a list refresh |
| 08:05.33 | enouf | Internat: try http://pastebin.ca/raw/1069889 |
| 08:05.55 | enouf | it's better looking anyway |
| 08:05.57 | hoxu | mxmx, where's that IP from? |
| 08:06.12 | mxmx | no idea |
| 08:06.18 | enouf | haha |
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| 08:06.22 | Internat | nup. blank page again |
| 08:06.24 | mxmx | my debian was setup by my host |
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| 08:06.37 | mxmx | so i amg uessing its one of their servers |
| 08:06.39 | hoxu | mxmx, and you get errors with "apt-get update update"? |
| 08:06.46 | hoxu | err -update |
| 08:06.51 | mxmx | no |
| 08:06.52 | enouf | Internat: your ISP blocks Canada ? O_P |
| 08:07.09 | Internat | no its not a 404 or anything liek that |
| 08:07.12 | Internat | the page is just blank. |
| 08:07.26 | enouf | Internat: which browser? |
| 08:07.31 | Internat | ie and ff |
| 08:07.37 | enouf | Internat: try http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/1069889 |
| 08:07.44 | Internat | i did |
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| 08:07.51 | enouf | look again |
| 08:08.12 | Internat | no changing.. |
| 08:08.22 | Internat | its got stuff in the source code, but not proper html |
| 08:08.25 | enouf | i changed it |
| 08:08.39 | enouf | it's text |
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| 08:08.45 | portablejim | Maybe I am mistaken. The average speed (sudo aptitude update) is way above out Internet connection, so I was wrong. |
| 08:08.45 | enouf | Internat: try http://www.pastebin.ca/1069889 |
| 08:08.54 | Internat | nup |
| 08:09.09 | enouf | your browsers really suck ass |
| 08:09.18 | enouf | try other ones |
| 08:09.25 | Internat | yes. cause both ff, and IE both decided to say screw you. |
| 08:11.04 | enouf | (you can always tell the weenies that never bother to learn about debian, they always have the non-free part prior to contrib :-P) |
| 08:11.23 | Internat | i think its my isps' doing |
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| 08:21.36 | norbert_ | hi all; I'm trying to install libgl1-mesa-swx11, but apt tells me this will remove several other packages, including xorg |
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| 08:21.53 | norbert_ | any ideas on what I should do to get the libgl1-mesa-swx11 package without xorg being removed? |
| 08:23.26 | valdyn | norbert_: why is that a problem? |
| 08:24.01 | norbert_ | because I prefer to keep my graphical interface |
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| 08:24.09 | valdyn | norbert_: thats unrelated |
| 08:24.22 | norbert_ | xorg is unrelated to X-Windows? |
| 08:24.33 | valdyn | norbert_: no, i didnt say that |
| 08:24.44 | valdyn | norbert_: removing xorg is unrelated to having X |
| 08:24.45 | norbert_ | xserver-xorg is the X-Windows package I need to keep? |
| 08:25.00 | valdyn | norbert_: theres alot of packages you need to keep, xorg is not onee |
| 08:25.16 | norbert_ | interesting |
| 08:25.33 | valdyn | i also dont see how libgl1-mesa-swx11 would remove xorg |
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| 08:26.11 | norbert_ | well, it says: The following packages will be REMOVED: freeglut3-dev kdebase-dev kdelibs4-dev libarts1-dev libavahi-qt3-dev [.............] xorg |
| 08:26.26 | norbert_ | all kinds of stuff is being removed if I press Enter |
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| 08:26.35 | valdyn | norbert_: you have different issues unrelated to libgl1-mesa-swx11 |
| 08:26.52 | norbert_ | I do? |
| 08:26.54 | valdyn | norbert_: "aptitude -f install" might show the same removals |
| 08:27.15 | norbert_ | apt-get -f install, says: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded |
| 08:27.18 | valdyn | norbert_: all the packages listed have nothing to do with installing libgl1-mesa-swx11 |
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| 08:27.25 | norbert_ | it's not requesting the removal of packages or anything... |
| 08:27.37 | norbert_ | for some reason apt thinks they do |
| 08:28.00 | norbert_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/238416 |
| 08:28.10 | norbert_ | someone else has the same problem, it seems |
| 08:28.18 | valdyn | norbert_: this is not a ubuntu support channel |
| 08:28.23 | norbert_ | ah, I know |
| 08:28.26 | norbert_ | I use Debian |
| 08:28.33 | norbert_ | I was just looking for information via Google |
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| 08:29.45 | norbert_ | xorg provides x-window-system, x-window-system-core |
| 08:29.58 | norbert_ | but it's some kind of 'dynamic' thing that will just get you packages, right? |
| 08:30.10 | valdyn | norbert_: its a meta package yes |
| 08:31.18 | valdyn | neither sid nor lenny expose the behaviour you are showing here, what are you using? |
| 08:31.37 | norbert_ | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/10990/ |
| 08:31.45 | norbert_ | stable |
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| 08:32.17 | valdyn | norbert_: just do it, you dont need to worry about -dev package or the xorg package |
| 08:32.32 | norbert_ | well, I kind of do need those dev packages |
| 08:32.34 | valdyn | norbert_: except that its not clear why you would need libgl1-mesa-swx1 at all |
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| 08:32.37 | norbert_ | or can I reinstall them? |
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| 08:33.03 | norbert_ | I need libgl1-mesa-swx1 because an opengl from the icfp-contest isn't displaying information correctly |
| 08:33.03 | valdyn | norbert_: no |
| 08:33.15 | norbert_ | no -> I can not reinstall them? |
| 08:33.26 | norbert_ | I use sdl dev packages to develop stuff :) |
| 08:33.29 | valdyn | norbert_: try aptitude instead, see if it find a bettert solution |
| 08:34.00 | norbert_ | https://projects.cecs.pdx.edu/~jgmorris/icfpc08/index.cgi/wiki/ContestFAQ#IgetablackscreenwhenIruntheserver |
| 08:34.06 | norbert_ | ^ that is why I'm trying to install it |
| 08:34.45 | norbert_ | if I run aptitude -f install, a /huge/ list is being displayed of packages that will be removed |
| 08:35.04 | valdyn | norbert_: just aptitude install libgl1-mesa-swx11 |
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| 08:35.48 | norbert_ | but that'll remove so much |
| 08:36.01 | norbert_ | the list is huge... |
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| 08:36.26 | norbert_ | zip, file-roller, eog, esound, ekiga, bsh, and so on, and so on |
| 08:37.00 | norbert_ | <KragenSitaker> norbert_: yeah, install libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev and those things won't get uninstalled |
| 08:37.10 | norbert_ | that seems to kind of do the trick |
| 08:37.27 | sorsis | I'm a bit confused with ipsec. If I put Ipsec in use on firewall can i set it so that it crypts all network traffic between it and another point where firewall again decrypts information to be passed for LAN |
| 08:37.42 | norbert_ | that worked :) |
| 08:38.08 | Internat | sorsis: that was my understanding of things. You may need to do some iprouting stuff but that should be the jist of things.. |
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| 08:39.19 | sorsis | Internat: great ty |
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| 08:39.37 | Internat | offtopic, anyone happen to know how to look up who owns ip address ranges.. ie i want to know who owns 128.207.90.x |
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| 08:40.24 | castoff | arin.net |
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| 08:41.54 | steven__ | hey |
| 08:41.57 | Internat | so they do.. stupid company |
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| 08:44.12 | steven__ | i have a problem with apache and ssl a certain domain fails with SSL error 42 |
| 08:44.34 | steven__ | this is as reported from the SSL command line client |
| 08:45.23 | steven__ | looking on the net there are a few reports of bug with SSL and fragmented DTLS handshakes |
| 08:45.49 | steven__ | i can't work out if this fix is in the debian version i am running ? |
| 08:46.24 | steven__ | i hope it isn't or i still don't know what the problem is :) |
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| 08:50.58 | castoff | steven__ HD Moore wrote a nice paper on it...it maybe on the metasploit website |
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| 09:49.12 | yuijin | hi |
| 09:49.18 | yuijin | bad english |
| 09:49.29 | yuijin | can i do how installation vmware for debian? |
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| 09:54.46 | Bushmills | su |
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| 10:00.20 | cr3 | hi |
| 10:01.41 | cr3 | can u get somewhere "full" /etc/sudoers conf file? (i mean with many commented lines to uncomment) ... like in Fedora 8? |
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| 10:02.51 | hoxu | cr3, see /usr/share/doc/sudo/* and man 5 sudoers, apart from those, maybe you could copy the file over from fedora 8 :P |
| 10:03.00 | amphi | cr3: man 5 sudoers contains several examples |
| 10:03.01 | Bushmills | cr3: try /usr/share/doc/sudo/examples |
| 10:06.07 | cr3 | thx |
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| 10:07.43 | andriijas | whats the commando to run to check what hardware you have? |
| 10:08.15 | wols_ | !what's my hardware |
| 10:08.16 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 10:08.30 | cr3 | ahah |
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| 10:09.17 | cr3 | how do u know 'man 5 sudoers'? why not 'man 1 sudoers' or 'man 666 sudoers' ? |
| 10:09.41 | wols_ | cause the manpage sactions have a meaning |
| 10:09.47 | wols_ | and config files are 5 |
| 10:10.00 | hoxu | cr3, man -k sudo |
| 10:10.27 | cr3 | man -k sudo |
| 10:10.28 | cr3 | sudo: nothing appropriate. |
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| 10:10.48 | hoxu | cr3, run mandb as root |
| 10:11.10 | cr3 | k |
| 10:12.13 | cr3 | man -k = apropos? |
| 10:12.22 | amphi | yes |
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| 10:17.10 | DawnLight | say i want to save an image of a HDD and the HDD has filesystems which are only used up a little bit. can i have the HDD image file take up that only that much space? |
| 10:17.47 | DawnLight | i mean, i know that dd doesn't work in the filesystem level but there must be a way to do this, right? |
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| 10:22.38 | Bushmills | DawnLight: if dd input is a file, it works on filesystem level |
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| 10:23.16 | DawnLight | Bushmills: i don't mean that |
| 10:23.51 | wols_ | !g4u |
| 10:23.51 | dpkg | i guess g4u is ghost for unix, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/ |
| 10:24.21 | jelly-home | !test |
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| 10:24.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 10:24.24 | Bushmills | i suppose zeroing the empty space, and compressing the image, will shrink it enormously |
| 10:24.46 | DawnLight | wols_: that's how you do things like that? |
| 10:24.51 | cr3 | what to do if i can't view contents of windows ntfs partition? i added 'user' option to it in fstab, but this only allows to mount it by non-root user,,, what to do? chmod 777 -R? |
| 10:25.09 | DawnLight | Bushmills: of course but dd can't tell those things |
| 10:25.31 | Bushmills | does it need to? |
| 10:25.39 | DawnLight | cr3: use ntfs-3g |
| 10:26.09 | wols_ | DawnLight: it's one way |
| 10:26.17 | DawnLight | wols_: what's another? |
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| 10:27.01 | cr3 | DawnLight, no but i only get "permission denied' error |
| 10:27.26 | cr3 | i can list contents as root |
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| 10:27.37 | wols_ | cr3: man mount. look for uid, gid and umask |
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| 10:29.25 | cr3 | wols_, thx |
| 10:29.51 | wols_ | !vfatrw |
| 10:29.51 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 10:30.01 | wols_ | it's the same for ntfs-3g |
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| 10:37.54 | DawnLight | i don't think i can do this. there are too many challenges |
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| 10:38.30 | DawnLight | too many obstacles along the way |
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| 10:39.50 | jelly-home | DawnLight: I don't know about the whole disk, but partimage can make efficient image for ext2, ext3 and some other filesystems/partitions |
| 10:40.25 | ddalton | hey, anyone got a quick way that I can make some kind of daemon script that will keep running in the background all the time? please pm answer to me, since channel is too hard to follow with just speech... thanks. |
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| 10:40.42 | jelly-home | DawnLight: saving the partition table (sfdisk -d) and the boot loader, in addition to the partitions, might or might not be enough |
| 10:41.33 | DawnLight | perhaps i'll just use kubuntu... i'm trying to set up a preseed that will install a specific set of packages automatically. but it gets complicated for various reasons like how to script the install of packages from backports |
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| 10:42.01 | cr3 | what kernel version do u have? |
| 10:42.39 | cr3 | 2.6.18-6-68 <- is it old version? |
| 10:43.23 | cr3 | 2.6.25.10 is latest stable? |
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| 10:58.25 | andriijas | 06:0a.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) is in my lspci but i cant see any interface in ifconfig, do i need to load any module or something? |
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| 11:01.24 | starz__ | !debian not ubuntu |
| 11:01.31 | starz__ | !dpkg debian not ubuntu |
| 11:01.40 | jelly-home | !tell andriijas about ipw2200 |
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| 11:01.57 | karmatronic | !ubuntu |
| 11:01.58 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 11:02.40 | karmatronic | andriijas: you need ipw2200 module |
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| 11:03.02 | karmatronic | andriijas: and probably a firmware image too |
| 11:03.06 | liable | andriijas: should be in your kernel, you need the firmware |
| 11:03.25 | jelly-home | the module is already in etch; he needs adequate firmware |
| 11:03.31 | karmatronic | andriijas: which you can get from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:03.41 | andriijas | firmware is not in apt-get? |
| 11:03.47 | karmatronic | andriijas: no! |
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| 11:03.54 | liable | no, they made a shit license for it |
| 11:04.06 | liable | undistributable |
| 11:04.12 | andriijas | crap |
| 11:05.10 | karmatronic | andriijas: still you can easily get it |
| 11:05.12 | jelly-home | andriijas: "modinfo ipw2200 |grep ^version" will tell you which driver version you have, and you have to pick appropriate firmware, download the archive, unpack, and put the files in /lib/firmware... you'll be able to do "modprobe ipw2200" then |
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| 11:06.15 | karmatronic | applaudes jelly-home |
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| 11:08.01 | andriijas | jelly-home: thx |
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| 11:13.17 | andriijas | jelly-home: now that i modprobd ipw2200, will it be automaticly loaded on boot? |
| 11:13.18 | karmatronic | thinks it s the longest upgrade ever... |
| 11:13.26 | karmatronic | andriijas: yes |
| 11:13.32 | andriijas | karmatronic: cool |
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| 11:13.47 | karmatronic | andriijas: check demsg after modprobing, should see some infos too |
| 11:14.34 | andriijas | karmatronic: it did - http://dpaste.com/63403/ |
| 11:15.00 | andriijas | do i need to chmod +x it maybe? |
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| 11:15.37 | karmatronic | andriijas: you re sure you ve downladed the right firmware version for your module ? |
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| 11:16.35 | andriijas | doing modinfo ipw2200 says version: 1.2.2kmprq |
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| 11:17.05 | andriijas | which should mean that i should use firmware 3.0? |
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| 11:17.26 | andriijas | according to http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
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| 11:17.41 | ootput | is it a common issue to have a black screen after getting out of hibernation on lenny? |
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| 11:18.00 | ootput | I can't issue any commands (3 finger salutes) and I'm only able to power off the laptop |
| 11:18.09 | karmatronic | andriijas: yes |
| 11:18.19 | ootput | does hibernation require tinkering with config files? |
| 11:18.19 | karmatronic | andriijas: you re using firmware V3.0 ? |
| 11:18.24 | andriijas | karmatronic: yep |
| 11:18.40 | karmatronic | andriijas: well in that case |
| 11:18.49 | karmatronic | andriijas: in the main page of ipw2200 |
| 11:18.59 | karmatronic | they suggest to do the following |
| 11:19.01 | karmatronic | echo 100 > /sys/class/firmware/timeout |
| 11:19.09 | karmatronic | and reload the module |
| 11:19.17 | andriijas | what does that mean? |
| 11:19.29 | liable | reason 2 is not found |
| 11:19.31 | karmatronic | andriijas: as suggested in the "issues" section of http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/#downloads |
| 11:19.40 | liable | andriijas: ls -l /lib/firmware |
| 11:19.43 | liable | paste it |
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| 11:19.56 | jelly-home | andriijas: do you, in fact, have the file "ipw2200-bss.fw" in /lib/firmware? |
| 11:19.57 | abrotman | /usr/lib/firmware/ ? |
| 11:20.02 | liable | suspects he put the whole dir in there |
| 11:20.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: no |
| 11:20.14 | abrotman | inconsistent? |
| 11:20.17 | liable | abrotman: /lib/firmware is the usual spot |
| 11:20.36 | andriijas | http://dpaste.com/63404/ |
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| 11:20.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: why? you could require firmware to _get_ to your /usr |
| 11:21.04 | abrotman | should be one place .. |
| 11:21.42 | karmatronic | andriijas: try my tip,wont hurt |
| 11:21.54 | andriijas | karmatronic: i did |
| 11:22.02 | liable | andriijas: hmm, reload the module again |
| 11:22.10 | liable | unload then load |
| 11:22.15 | andriijas | rmmod ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ? |
| 11:22.15 | karmatronic | andriijas: and modprobe -r ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 ; ? |
| 11:22.28 | andriijas | http://dpaste.com/63405/ |
| 11:22.47 | jelly-home | my 2915ABG wouldn't load the module at all when firmware was absent |
| 11:22.49 | karmatronic | andriijas: so...it worked |
| 11:22.54 | liable | thats better |
| 11:23.14 | andriijas | but it says error somehwere in the middle |
| 11:23.23 | liable | thats for the last load |
| 11:23.29 | liable | previous* load |
| 11:23.32 | andriijas | aha |
| 11:23.36 | andriijas | well, doh! |
| 11:23.40 | karmatronic | :) |
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| 11:23.58 | MrBrush | Hi, I have a gpg file to decrypt and to untar, how can I do both tasks in one command? |
| 11:24.05 | liable | andriijas: thats why you shouldnt selectively paste output |
| 11:24.13 | andriijas | hehe |
| 11:24.24 | andriijas | now how do i get the interface up? |
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| 11:24.46 | karmatronic | andriijas: man iwconfig |
| 11:25.10 | andriijas | just add it to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:25.14 | karmatronic | andriijas: which is in wireless-tools packages |
| 11:25.25 | karmatronic | andriijas: you can also do that |
| 11:25.44 | andriijas | what should it be called? eth1? |
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| 11:26.41 | jelly-home | 's 2915ABG is "eth1" |
| 11:27.03 | andriijas | http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/hostapd/hostap.html#configuring_the_wireless_card this guy calls it ath0 |
| 11:27.08 | ootput | is it a common issue to have a black screen after getting out of hibernation on lenny? I can't issue any commands (3 finger salute to name one) and the only thing I'm able to do is to reach for the power switch. |
| 11:27.28 | jelly-home | andriijas: that guy doesn't use the driver you do |
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| 11:27.40 | andriijas | jelly-home: alright |
| 11:27.41 | jelly-home | ootput: is the machine pingable? |
| 11:27.46 | karmatronic | ootput: try <ctrl><alt>F1 next time |
| 11:27.59 | ootput | karmatronic: i've tried switching ttys too |
| 11:28.06 | ootput | jelly-home: yes |
| 11:28.07 | karmatronic | ootput: using compiz ? |
| 11:28.12 | ootput | but all user-input seems fruitless |
| 11:28.16 | jelly-home | ootput: did you try any Alt-SysRq keys? |
| 11:28.20 | ootput | karmatronic: no. Xorg + ratpoison |
| 11:28.33 | ootput | yes, fn+ laptop functions |
| 11:29.03 | jelly-home | waits for the answer |
| 11:29.08 | MrBrush | Hi, I have a gpg file to decrypt and to untar, how can I do both tasks in one command? |
| 11:29.41 | ootput | is it that hibernate / suspend doesn't automatically save graphics output state prior to powering down? |
| 11:30.09 | jelly-home | MrBrush: "gpg -d foo.tar.gpg | tar xf -" ? |
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| 11:30.32 | znh | Hello. I'm looking for a guide to configure software raid 0 on an already installed Debian machine |
| 11:31.15 | Guerin | znh: google `software raid 0 debian" |
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| 11:31.17 | jelly-home | ootput: that's a common problem, I think. Some scripts work around it by switching to console, then doing suspend |
| 11:31.18 | danielhw | good morning :) |
| 11:31.22 | MrBrush | jelly-home: thanks |
| 11:31.42 | Guerin | znh: fir first hit will be from tldp.org |
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| 11:32.05 | jelly-home | MrBrush: man gpg would have told you that -d outputs to stdout (which can then be used in a pipe) |
| 11:32.13 | Guerin | znh: if you'd just done this already instead of bothering to ask, you'd be ahlfway through already |
| 11:33.50 | MrBrush | jelly-home: what should be filled in at the second arg? |
| 11:33.58 | MrBrush | tar xf just ? |
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| 11:34.06 | MrBrush | since i don't know for sure what outputted filename it has |
| 11:34.18 | ootput | jelly-home: so it requires custom scripts? doesn't lenny cater to this? |
| 11:34.55 | jelly-home | MrBrush: in "tar xf -", - denotes stdin |
| 11:35.12 | MrBrush | stdin? |
| 11:35.25 | steven__ | do we have SSL guru's here ? :) |
| 11:35.35 | abrotman | steven__: just ask |
| 11:35.59 | steven__ | SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert bad certificate:s3_pkt.c:1053:SSL alert number 42 |
| 11:36.15 | steven__ | get that error when connecting to JBOSS |
| 11:36.29 | MrBrush | jelly-home: when i put like, gpg -d file.gpg | tar xf -" |
| 11:36.33 | steven__ | there are 2 servers one is slackware one is debian other than that identical setups |
| 11:36.35 | MrBrush | why theres no second " |
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| 11:37.02 | jelly-home | MrBrush: dude, don't enter any quotes! |
| 11:37.18 | steven__ | a client claims that the slackware one works fine but get that SSL erro on the debian one |
| 11:37.26 | jelly-home | <jelly-home> MrBrush: >>> "gpg -d foo.tar.gpg | tar xf -" <<< |
| 11:37.26 | steven__ | though im confused as i get the error on both and the SSL certs are exactly the same on both servers |
| 11:37.39 | MrBrush | ahh |
| 11:37.41 | MrBrush | sorry |
| 11:38.02 | steven__ | im not sure what else to lookinto as both the certs are valid |
| 11:38.21 | steven__ | and this problem did only occur after switching one server to debian strange i know :) |
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| 11:40.12 | jelly-home | MrBrush: stdin, stdout (and stderr) are "files" that every unix process has open by default. You'll likely want to read some sort of beginner's guide to unix/linux and shells. I'm sorry I can't point to any that I know of that would be good |
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| 11:43.19 | jelly-home | MrBrush: pipes are used to make one process output flow into another process' input (without creating temporary files). So gpg's output becomes tar's input, and tar tries to interpret its input as a tar file and unpack it |
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| 11:46.07 | infernix | i need to flash a phoenix bios on a box. that usually implies booting a floppy (ugh) or burning a bootable cd with a floppy image (more ugh). does anyone know of better methods? it's always such a dreadful thing to do on a linux box |
| 11:46.48 | phreak | infernix: Boot a floppy image with memdisk. |
| 11:47.36 | phreak | infernix: memdisk is a kernel/whatever from the isolinux people, just add an entry to grub which boots it and use your floppy-image as the initrd, if I remember correctly. |
| 11:47.42 | infernix | ah, and i can use that in grub. sweet. |
| 11:48.04 | infernix | dives in his pre-2k archives in search for a bootable dos floppy |
| 11:48.04 | phreak | It's real easy and works great. Have flashed both nic's and bios' that way. |
| 11:48.12 | infernix | thanks for the tip |
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| 11:57.42 | abrotman | !lfw |
| 12:00.12 | steven__ | ahha |
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| 12:00.17 | steven__ | thisk i solved my problem |
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| 12:00.33 | steven__ | debian seems to be using another keytool to access the file not the sun one which it should |
| 12:00.48 | steven__ | i have used update-alternatives to set sun as the default java |
| 12:00.59 | steven__ | how do i get it to also use the sun keytool ? |
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| 12:03.42 | andriijas | anyone who knows of any good hostapd tutorial? |
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| 12:04.22 | [nine] | any debian postmasters about? |
| 12:04.26 | [nine] | your mail server is misconfigured. |
| 12:04.38 | boodie | Hi - I'm tryin' to sync my palm via USB cable; my etch doesn't detect it - how could I find out what is the name of the port used? |
| 12:04.58 | [nine] | host master.debian.org [70.103.162.29]: 550-host xx.xx.xx.xx is listed in zen.spamhaus.net; see SPAM FILTER |
| 12:05.00 | cusco | lsusb ? |
| 12:05.04 | [nine] | IS WRONGLY CONFIGURED |
| 12:05.39 | [nine] | i.e. master.debian.org is doing rbl checks on zen.spamhaus.net which is incorrect. they should be run on zen.spamhaus.org |
| 12:05.41 | jelly-home | [nine]: refusing mail from zen blacklist is rather common |
| 12:05.47 | doublehp_ | andriijas: iwconfig eth1 mode master ; if you want to relay, or extend a network, use the same ESSID on all routers, a different channel for each, and brctl master and managed interface on each router |
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| 12:06.11 | [nine] | $ host zen.spamhaus.net |
| 12:06.12 | [nine] | zen.spamhaus.net is an alias for use.spamhaus.ORG.not.spamhaus.net. |
| 12:06.22 | jelly-home | [nine]: oh... I see what you're getting at |
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| 12:06.36 | [nine] | jelly-home: yes :) |
| 12:06.50 | [nine] | jelly-home: someone needs instructions on how to run a mail server. |
| 12:06.53 | doublehp_ | if i want to install a kernel that aptitude say will downlad 16M and use 50M, how much free space do I actually need ? ex: including temp decompression ... |
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| 12:07.39 | boodie | lsusb gave: "Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 <CR> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 12:07.44 | andriijas | doublehp_: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Invalid argument. |
| 12:08.09 | doublehp_ | andriijas: your card is not compatible with Master mode |
| 12:08.20 | doublehp_ | andriijas: this you dont need hostapd |
| 12:08.25 | doublehp_ | *thus |
| 12:08.53 | andriijas | doublehp_: hmm okay. does this mean i cant use it as an access point? |
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| 12:09.36 | doublehp_ | andriijas: (assuming you changed eth1 by your actual ward) ... using a card as AP requires two things: |
| 12:09.56 | sylvain_1 | Hello, I mobprobe'd every single agp kernel module (although i know it should be intel-agp), and /dev/agpgart is still missing. What's wrong? |
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| 12:10.20 | andriijas | doublehp_: its eth1 |
| 12:10.34 | doublehp_ | andriijas: the hardware chipset to support it, and the drive to support it. about the chipset, you shall ask google. The same chipset can be supported by several drivers: if the chipset is ok, check that the card is really handled by apropriate driver |
| 12:10.52 | andriijas | doublehp_: ipw2200 |
| 12:11.11 | jelly-home | [nine]: please report a bug for the, um, lists.debian.org or www.debian.org virtual package? |
| 12:11.39 | [nine] | jelly-home: trouble is that it's not lists.debian.org that's the problem. |
| 12:11.44 | [nine] | lists.debian.org is accepting mail! |
| 12:11.53 | doublehp_ | andriijas: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ipw2200+master&btnG=Google+Search => "I know the ipw2200 project doesnt support master mode as yet." |
| 12:11.58 | [nine] | it's debian.org personal addresses that are getting rejected :$ |
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| 12:12.09 | jelly-home | [nine]: yeah, but I can't find a more appropriate virtual package at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages |
| 12:12.13 | [nine] | r. |
| 12:12.18 | jelly-home | er, pseudo package. whatever |
| 12:12.18 | [nine] | i'm also looking at that page. |
| 12:12.21 | [nine] | :D |
| 12:12.42 | doublehp_ | andriijas: as you are unlucky, the post is not dated ! |
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| 12:12.57 | jelly-home | [nine]: hehe, also report a bug for bugs.debian.org that there's no appropriate pseudo package for your issue :-D |
| 12:13.08 | andriijas | doublehp_: of course im unlucky :( |
| 12:13.15 | [nine] | jelly-home: i have enough of my own bugs to be working on, let alone raising more for others :) |
| 12:13.30 | andriijas | doublehp_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ipw2200-ap ? |
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| 12:14.13 | andriijas | doublehp_: but what you said is actually: No master mode = No AP |
| 12:14.22 | doublehp_ | andriijas: => the chipset could be ok, with resonably recent driver. |
| 12:14.30 | doublehp_ | andriijas: yes |
| 12:14.39 | doublehp_ | andriijas: => search a modern driver :) |
| 12:14.50 | andriijas | doublehp_: i took the latest and greatest :| |
| 12:14.55 | doublehp_ | ebcause the chipset seem to support it |
| 12:15.12 | andriijas | doublehp_: it does? |
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| 12:16.57 | doublehp_ | andriijas: I say again: very recent driver should do; what often happens is, you are likely to have several drivers supporting the same HW in your computer, and you have to guide the kernel/distribution to use the one YOU want |
| 12:16.57 | andriijas | doublehp_: http://dpaste.com/63426/ |
| 12:17.06 | sylvain_1 | My Debian Kernel doesn't recongnize my AGP bridge while there is one (lspci: 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02)). What should I do? |
| 12:17.42 | andriijas | doublehp_: what do you mean by guide the kernel/distro? recompile the kernel? |
| 12:17.55 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: hand make kernel ? rebuild, and add more module/support |
| 12:18.04 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: AGP itself is in char devices |
| 12:18.10 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: what kind of modules? |
| 12:18.15 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: you may need some chipset things |
| 12:18.21 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: I already have all required modules |
| 12:18.40 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: the fact you come to ask the questions means NO |
| 12:18.57 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: either use a debian kernel, or reconfigure your kernel |
| 12:19.40 | doublehp_ | andriijas: no; but blacklist concurent modules; i never do that, boring me :) that's a reason that made me leave Debian :) |
| 12:19.45 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: I am using the default debian kernel |
| 12:20.05 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: is your chipset recent or exitic ? |
| 12:20.12 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: that is why i don't understand why it doesn't recognize my kernel |
| 12:20.39 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: it's an intel one, and it was recognized with my previous Gentoo |
| 12:20.58 | doublehp_ | what makes you think it is not recognised ? |
| 12:21.00 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: I modprobed agpgart ali-agp amd-k7-agp amd64-agp ati-agp efficeon-agp intel-agp nvidia-agp sis-agp sworks-agp via-agp but still don't have /dev/agpgart |
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| 12:21.26 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: /dev/agpgart is missing |
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| 12:22.46 | doublehp_ | andriijas: from paste, master is not supported :) |
| 12:22.48 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: so i think i'm entitled to believe it is not recognized... Plus nothing appears in dmesg exec Linux agpgart interface copyright blablabla |
| 12:23.03 | sylvain_1 | doublehp_: any idea? |
| 12:24.04 | doublehp_ | no |
| 12:24.24 | doublehp_ | sylvain_1: try using an other kernel from the distribution. |
| 12:24.34 | doublehp_ | if i want to install a kernel that aptitude say will downlad 16M and use 50M, how much free space do I actually need ? ex: including temp decompression ... |
| 12:25.23 | wols_ | #66 |
| 12:25.28 | wols_ | 66MB |
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| 12:25.43 | doublehp_ | not a single byte more for decompression, or temp things ? |
| 12:25.49 | andriijas | doublehp_: do you know any usb2.0 wlan with athos chipset that works as AP? |
| 12:25.58 | doublehp_ | no |
| 12:26.06 | wols_ | the 15MB are temp |
| 12:26.24 | wols_ | doublehp_: apt-get clean |
| 12:26.29 | doublehp_ | i have to free 23M :'( |
| 12:26.38 | wols_ | use the command I told you |
| 12:27.05 | doublehp_ | wols_: I already removed gcc, /usr/share man, doc, and info directories. I am about to purge logs |
| 12:27.19 | wols_ | use the command I told you |
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| 12:28.10 | doublehp_ | wols_: it's already in cron :) |
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| 12:28.59 | doublehp_ | wols_: once, I had /var/cache/apt/archive on NFS, but I had to remove portmad ... |
| 12:30.11 | doublehp_ | wols_: can I safely blindly remove *headers* packages ? |
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| 12:31.25 | wols_ | usually yes |
| 12:32.37 | doublehp_ | adding 4M swap, hoping it will be enough to stop loosing process :) |
| 12:33.02 | doublehp_ | 512M disk, 24M RAM, 16M swap :'( |
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| 12:34.52 | abrotman | with that little RAM .. should probably be at least double the RAM |
| 12:35.08 | doublehp_ | abrotman: to room in box |
| 12:35.23 | abrotman | no hablo espnanol! |
| 12:35.34 | doublehp_ | in fact , i was luck there wasone slot |
| 12:35.36 | liable | hola |
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| 12:38.32 | jelly-home | doublehp_: debian etch might not be the most appropriate OS to run with resources _that_ limiter |
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| 12:39.00 | liable | i thought 32 was the minimum for 2.6 anyway? |
| 12:39.09 | Corpse | Ðîññèÿ Rulez~z`z'Z |
| 12:39.17 | Corpse | ïðèâåò ïèäàðàñû |
| 12:39.18 | Corpse | (8 |
| 12:39.20 | liable | Corpse: you lose |
| 12:39.28 | doublehp_ | liable: way no:) 18 or 20M |
| 12:39.30 | Corpse | Ðîññèÿ Rulez~z`z'Z |
| 12:39.37 | liable | abrotman: ?? |
| 12:39.45 | doublehp_ | liable: it can boot with 12M , but then you are short with libc |
| 12:39.53 | Corpse | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.56 | liable | doublehp_: really, with 2.6? |
| 12:40.07 | jelly-home | !ops Corpse spamming |
| 12:40.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: Corpse spamming |
| 12:40.15 | doublehp_ | liable: yup: kernel itself can do with 12, with a very short init/libc |
| 12:40.25 | Corpse | ñëàïñ mick_home êàê-òî òàì âèç ÷åðåíîê îô ñàïåðíàÿ ëîïàòêà © M |
| 12:40.28 | liable | abrotman: wake up lazy good for nothin |
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| 12:41.10 | liable | vorian: danke |
| 12:41.15 | doublehp_ | jelly-home: I need etch bleeding edge package: i even have to upgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.24 to gain some very recent modules |
| 12:41.49 | liable | haha, you *need* bleeding edge when you have a box like that! ?? |
| 12:41.55 | jelly-home | doublehp_: why not use something like damnsmallwhatever? |
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| 12:42.13 | doublehp_ | cause they dont do what i need |
| 12:42.19 | jelly-home | what DO you need? |
| 12:42.29 | liable | a new box? |
| 12:42.30 | wols_ | I think the wlan |
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| 12:42.57 | liable | is it an embedded wireless board or something? |
| 12:43.06 | doublehp_ | jelly-home: it's is said that --snat-arp support for ebtables is what i am looking for since over 5 years :) |
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| 12:46.38 | jelly-home | doublehp_: dude. a small distro + custom kernel |
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| 12:51.56 | doublehp_ | 46+35=68 ??? |
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| 12:52.54 | tofaffy | Which of the debian ISO cd's will I actually need to install a basic default system. |
| 12:53.01 | tofaffy | (testing, btw) |
| 12:53.03 | doublehp_ | any |
| 12:53.08 | enouf | tofaffy: one netinstall cd |
| 12:53.19 | enouf | and use etch |
| 12:53.24 | enouf | and upgrade |
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| 12:53.40 | doublehp_ | there is a testing CD; but, after basic stable install you can still switch to testing by customising /etc/apt/source.list |
| 12:53.58 | tofaffy | enouf, why not just install testing itself? |
| 12:54.06 | enouf | it's a beta installer |
| 12:54.16 | tofaffy | Sorry, just wondering. Also just so you know I'll be using testing because I want somewhat updated packages |
| 12:54.16 | tofaffy | K |
| 12:54.46 | enouf | tofaffy: how new is your hardware? |
| 12:54.56 | doublehp_ | tofaffy: testing CD exist; worth try |
| 12:54.58 | enouf | !etchnhalf |
| 12:54.58 | dpkg | hmm... etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 12:55.03 | tofaffy | Ehh it's a newer laptop |
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| 12:55.13 | enouf | use etchnhalf |
| 12:55.29 | abrotman | liable: i was in the shower! :) |
| 12:55.46 | enouf | abrotman: but who lathered whom? |
| 12:55.49 | enouf | hides |
| 12:55.56 | liable | cringes |
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| 12:56.50 | enouf | oh crap, two factoids i wanted to update/fix .. i forgot which ones... dammit |
| 12:57.14 | liable | abrotmoo? |
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| 12:59.54 | doublehp_ | wols_: I believe in you: "Need to get 16.3MB of archives. After unpacking 50.3MB will be used." *must* fit in "68M available" on disk :) |
| 13:00.55 | enouf | abrotman: or anyone, should the !gdm factoid part that says "gdm fix" be put in < >? There is a <gdm fix> factoid, but not sure we want n00bs messing about with that fix, for general reasons |
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| 13:01.40 | wols_ | doublehp_: good thing I'm FAR away physically from you... |
| 13:02.20 | liable | i would imagine that we're all lucky to be far away from wols_ physically |
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| 13:03.53 | wols_ | I'm tame. very tame. and hurt a lot right now. can't even hurt anything if I'd wanted too |
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| 13:04.05 | elenril | what is the correct way to set per user locales? |
| 13:04.08 | abrotman | fix for what? |
| 13:04.19 | elenril | just export LANG=blahblah > .bashrc? |
| 13:04.30 | liable | wols_: kidneys eh? |
| 13:06.15 | wols_ | no, those never hurt. right now I can't move my left arm cause my shoulder *Hurts* |
| 13:06.26 | wols_ | if I move the arm, I could sometimes cry |
| 13:07.01 | liable | asprin ftw |
| 13:07.13 | liable | or morphine :) |
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| 13:07.57 | liable | wols_: you must be very old |
| 13:07.59 | wols_ | since it's chronic (happens periodically, when it gets cold), do you want to make me a junkie? |
| 13:08.01 | liable | runs |
| 13:08.09 | wols_ | I am not but I feel that way |
| 13:08.26 | liable | athritis |
| 13:08.30 | liable | ? |
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| 13:08.43 | doublehp_ | wols_: tired ? stressed ? did you try massages ? ostheopathy ? |
| 13:09.01 | liable | want a larger p3n1s? |
| 13:09.09 | wols_ | is anemic. and it's not stress. only cold |
| 13:09.17 | liable | gimme your email address |
| 13:09.22 | wols_ | liable: if it cures me: bring it on! |
| 13:09.47 | doublehp_ | liable: a single bad-dream cn stress me to the point my whole back is just ... "clocked", to the point i cant get up at all, cant bend to get up |
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| 13:10.14 | liable | doublehp_: ouch, normally only 15 beers do that to me :) |
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| 13:10.46 | doublehp_ | for larger engines, i can forward you some of my daily spam :) |
| 13:11.23 | doublehp_ | liable: beer make you so much stressed all your muscles get hard to the point they hurt you ? |
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| 13:11.54 | liable | doublehp_: no, only my head and stomach, and make me want to die. |
| 13:12.11 | liable | doublehp_: you appear to lag badly |
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| 13:12.47 | doublehp_ | i download a kernel over PSTN :) |
| 13:13.06 | liable | i used to run sid over dialup :/ |
| 13:13.17 | liable | *that* was painfull |
| 13:13.23 | doublehp_ | irssi says about 11s |
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| 13:14.32 | Caemyr | hiya |
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| 13:15.49 | liable | ehlo |
| 13:17.01 | doublehp_ | halo |
| 13:18.09 | sorsis | doublehp_: maybe you should think of such distros as dsl somw other distro meant for low resources |
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| 13:18.51 | arcsky | debian-40r3-mips-netinst.iso why isnt this bootable ? |
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| 13:19.26 | doublehp_ | i dislike them |
| 13:20.22 | Kevin` | arcsky: you following the mips install guide? |
| 13:21.29 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: on what box did you try to install? |
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| 13:22.53 | arcsky | pumpkin0 and Kevin` im trying to boot it on my hp laptop and im going to install it on a routerboard 532 |
| 13:23.24 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: you don't boot it on a x86. |
| 13:23.50 | arcsky | pumpkin0: ok how can i boot it then ? |
| 13:23.56 | jelly-home | arcsky: qemu? |
| 13:24.10 | arcsky | is that an emulator or something? |
| 13:24.13 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 13:26.58 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: And about the routerboards: use the prepackaged linux-mips from here: http://www.routerboard.com/files/rb500-128.img.zip and read this: http://www.routerboard.com/files/image-rb500.txt to get it running. |
| 13:27.39 | Kevin` | the prepackaged one is debian based? |
| 13:27.46 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: using the debian netinstall is possible but more complex. |
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| 13:28.10 | Kevin` | arcsky: on devices like that I like to install with debootstrap |
| 13:28.14 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: there is one, but i don't know if it is that image or the 1GB edition ... |
| 13:28.18 | colulu | hi, is there anyway to completely remove gij from debian? |
| 13:28.35 | arcsky | Nice pumpkin0 |
| 13:28.36 | colulu | i need to run sun jdk but can't dpkg --purge gij , so much depencies |
| 13:28.49 | colulu | and these dependencies interdepend with each other |
| 13:29.13 | wols_ | colulu: just install the jdk from sun |
| 13:29.40 | wols_ | either it uninstall gij or you can do this after you installed the jdk |
| 13:29.45 | colulu | wols_: but when I did java -version it still shows gif |
| 13:29.47 | colulu | gij |
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| 13:30.00 | colulu | i already did install jdk |
| 13:30.03 | jelly-home | colulu: update-alternatives --config java |
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| 13:30.07 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: in fact both images (128MB and 1GB) are debian-installs. The ReactOS-Image have moved ... ? |
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| 13:30.13 | jelly-home | colulu: (and javac, too) |
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| 13:30.51 | wols_ | colulu: then update-alternatives you java |
| 13:31.04 | colulu | thanks alot |
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| 13:39.55 | arcsky | pumpkin0: thanks works great :) |
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| 13:42.37 | dpkg | _DS2_Minina_: i haven't seen 'antenagildo' |
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| 13:43.02 | AwesomeGuy_ | anyone know about mupen64? for some reason it's not in apt-get install |
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| 13:46.01 | inigo | AwesomeGuy_, mupen64 is not an oficial debian package |
| 13:46.30 | AwesomeGuy_ | meh, any other nintendo 64 emulators official packages? |
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| 13:46.52 | inigo | apt-cache search nes ? |
| 13:47.05 | AwesomeGuy_ | ok |
| 13:47.10 | arcsky | pumpkin0: can i do so the "/" partition can be little bigger then 115mb ? because its only free 25mb and i got 512mb flash |
| 13:48.20 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: create a 2. partition and mount something like /home there. |
| 13:48.32 | arcsky | ye i did |
| 13:48.44 | arcsky | but if i install anything with lets say apt-get |
| 13:48.46 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: (note: it has been a while since i touched those. Not everything i say will work ...) |
| 13:48.49 | arcsky | it doesnt go to /home |
| 13:49.18 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: you can move /usr/ to the 2. partition. And /var/. |
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| 13:50.48 | arcsky | pumpkin0: can you be little more detailed about that |
| 13:51.05 | arcsky | mv -r /usr/ /home/. ? |
| 13:51.13 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: no. |
| 13:51.15 | Kevin` | why not just make the partition bigger |
| 13:51.26 | arcsky | in cfdisk ? |
| 13:51.27 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: these a preinstalled images. |
| 13:51.34 | Kevin` | pumpkin0: so? |
| 13:51.49 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: can you resize the /-partition on the fly ? |
| 13:51.55 | AwesomeGuy_ | how much data can you store on a cassette? I heard somewhere they used to use cassettes to store files |
| 13:52.18 | Kevin` | pumpkin0: yeah. you'd need to reboot to do it, but you can do it from the OS |
| 13:52.25 | wols_ | AwesomeGuy_: this is a debian question how? |
| 13:52.38 | wols_ | pumpkin0: it must be unmounted |
| 13:52.51 | AwesomeGuy_ | idk |
| 13:52.52 | Bushmills | about 600..700 kb with 1200 baud |
| 13:52.56 | Kevin` | it doesn't need to be unmounted |
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| 13:53.00 | AwesomeGuy_ | I'll try on linux |
| 13:53.09 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: make a 2. partition. Mount it /mnt/second. run "cp -ar /usr /mnt/second". Edit the fstab. Reboot and test. |
| 13:53.09 | Bushmills | on a C90 cassette |
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| 13:53.40 | AwesomeGuy_ | cool |
| 13:54.04 | AwesomeGuy_ | are those a special kind or just normal ones like a music one |
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| 13:54.11 | Bushmills | or the MDCR can store about 100 kb on a dictaphone size cassette, about 9000 baud read.write rate |
| 13:54.24 | Bushmills | means, can read the whole tape in 90 seconds |
| 13:54.28 | arcsky | pumpkin0: and /var ? |
| 13:54.39 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: but how ? You need / to run the resizer. And you cannot modifiy ext2 on-the-fly w/o hitting at least some problems. |
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| 13:54.52 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: same thing, but with a 3. partition. |
| 13:54.56 | Kevin` | pumpkin0: you can. |
| 13:55.09 | pumpkin0 | Kevin`: which program do you use for that ? |
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| 13:55.22 | Kevin` | pumpkin0: resize2fs device |
| 13:55.38 | AwesomeGuy_ | is 9000 baud like 9 kb/s? just a guess |
| 13:55.44 | Kevin` | pumpkin0: you's resize the partition (not changing the start), then reboot, then run that |
| 13:55.57 | Bushmills | 9 kilobit per seconds, yes. |
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| 13:56.29 | zipper | Hmm, anyone know if Folding@Home is ram intensive? I've had some trouble with my ram before in this machine. The thing is, after i set it to run f@h for a couple of hours it stopped to respond :<. No ssh, no apache, nothing |
| 13:56.31 | jelly-home | Bushmills: sounds about right; I remember there were 20-30 games of 10-40KB per side of a C64 tape |
| 13:56.37 | AwesomeGuy_ | that seems a little slow, lol |
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| 13:57.04 | arcsky | Kevin`: http://pastebin.com/m2006022b |
| 13:57.10 | Bushmills | those MDCR were nice .. fully computer controlled. they only had an eject button. that allowed random access :) |
| 13:57.26 | arcsky | how do i move sdc3 to sdc3 ;) ? |
| 13:57.34 | arcsky | sdc2* |
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| 13:57.39 | DeltaS4 | im-switch isn't working here. I do im-switch -s scim and I can't get scim as default input method... When I do scim -c "default" appears with a + and scim with a * |
| 13:57.47 | pumpkin0 | zipper: run memtestx86 instead. |
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| 13:58.22 | zipper | pumpkin0, i would, but i have no physical access to the server =/ |
| 13:58.37 | jelly-home | AwesomeGuy_: loading times of 5 minutes or more were not unusual |
| 13:58.42 | colt | hello ,when i use "unrar -x *.rar", promt ALL is ok ,but i can find nothing in unrar folder. |
| 13:59.12 | colt | what's worng, thx! |
| 13:59.13 | Kevin` | arcsky: mount both and cp -a |
| 13:59.27 | Bushmills | i had my tapes formatted in 1kbyte blocks, and used them like one would use floppy disk sectors. access time was a bit worse, of course. medium random seek time of 45 seconds. but for sequentially written data access was much faster than a cassette recorder |
| 14:00.44 | jelly-home | Bushmills: you with your smarty-farts controllers that could control rewind/ffwd in software! |
| 14:01.35 | Bushmills | right, actually, programming language interfaced directly to that seek (was in fact part of the "driver" section of that language) |
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| 14:02.22 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 14:02.45 | _DS2_Minina_ | hi |
| 14:02.46 | Bushmills | also interesting about those was that winding/rewinding speed was identical to read/write speed - it only had a single speed either way. |
| 14:02.49 | jelly-home | fears Bushmills is older than him |
| 14:03.02 | SamuraiDio | can someone suggest me a terminal emulator with utf-8 and menubar support? |
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| 14:04.22 | jelly-home | 's fears were not unfounded |
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| 14:04.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think i am older than you |
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| 14:04.58 | b_jonas | hi, |
| 14:05.19 | b_jonas | I have a misterious X problem and it might be caused by that /etc/X11/X is incorrect |
| 14:05.37 | b_jonas | that file is a symlink to /bin/true on my system |
| 14:06.06 | b_jonas | whereas the xorg guys say it should be a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 14:06.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: you're three months and five days younger, pup |
| 14:06.20 | Kevin` | do you have xorg installed? |
| 14:06.21 | b_jonas | what package or mechanism is supposed to set that symlink up? |
| 14:06.26 | abrotman | says who ? |
| 14:06.28 | b_jonas | Kevin`: yes |
| 14:06.33 | b_jonas | in fact it worked yesterday |
| 14:06.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: raseac |
| 14:06.43 | abrotman | close enough! |
| 14:06.49 | b_jonas | dpkg-query -S /etc/X11/X doesn't seem to help |
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| 14:08.50 | n-iCe | hello I have an issue i couldn't fix it, when the pc starts it activates bloq num, and bloq mayus, if I remove them i can't write properly, what can I do? |
| 14:08.57 | b_jonas | xorg guys say "b_jonas: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst should do that on install" |
| 14:10.06 | b_jonas | but that's wrong, there's no such postinst |
| 14:10.25 | arcsky | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/m643735cd |
| 14:11.02 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: you have to format it first? |
| 14:11.55 | arcsky | stupid me :/ |
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| 14:12.34 | n-iCe | nobody? |
| 14:12.49 | doublehp_ | no |
| 14:13.07 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: at start before grub shows up ? check the BIOS. |
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| 14:13.36 | chuckkh | hi, just updated with synaptic and now 5 packages cannot configure |
| 14:13.44 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: and it's Numlock and Capslock, not bloq mayus/num. |
| 14:13.44 | chuckkh | first being system-tools-backends |
| 14:13.55 | arcsky | pumpkin0: ok now done with copy to sdc3 do i have to remove it from sdc2 or ? |
| 14:14.08 | n-iCe | what can I check on bios pumpkin0 ? |
| 14:14.11 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: test it first. |
| 14:14.22 | chuckkh | and depending on system-tools-backends are liboobs-1-4, gnome-applets, gnome-core, and gnome-system-tools |
| 14:14.27 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: if it is set to activate numlock/capslock at start. |
| 14:14.32 | chuckkh | safe to ignore? |
| 14:14.57 | n-iCe | but is not a bios problem I guess, because if I remove the numlock I write with numbers, if I turn off the capslock it write with mayus |
| 14:14.58 | chuckkh | also, now, the acpi command returns "No support for device type: power_supply" |
| 14:15.03 | b_jonas | turns out, xserver-xorg is removed |
| 14:15.06 | b_jonas | very strange |
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| 14:15.20 | n-iCe | what do you think pumpkin0 , do you want me to check anyways? |
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| 14:15.23 | chuckkh | running testing 64-bit, btw |
| 14:15.44 | jelly-home | chuckkh: uname -r |
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| 14:15.50 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: well... do the LEDs show up before or after the grub-menu? |
| 14:16.02 | chuckkh | 2.6.23.1-rt11-rt11, custom built by me |
| 14:16.04 | n-iCe | after I guess |
| 14:16.29 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: no need to check the BIOS. Do they show up before or after you log in ? |
| 14:16.39 | jelly-home | chuckkh: blame the kernel builder? :-> |
| 14:16.41 | chuckkh | acpi gave me battery charge before |
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| 14:16.54 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: let me check, brb |
| 14:17.31 | chuckkh | jelly-home: that is certainly warranted, but it's strange that an update would break things that worked with the kernel before |
| 14:17.36 | chuckkh | or is it? |
| 14:18.04 | micols | how do i fetch a kernel via apt without making it update grub/lilo ? |
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| 14:18.22 | jelly-home | chuckkh: it's possible that you upgraded to newer acpi tools, that now use the newer /sys based api, while your older kernel doesn't support it |
| 14:18.37 | micols | is dpt_i2o included in any kernels in apt, in initramfs? |
| 14:18.45 | micols | and xfs |
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| 14:18.54 | chuckkh | jelly-home: ok, I'll try recompiling; any idea if that would cause system-tools-backends to be unable to configure, too? |
| 14:18.57 | jelly-home | chuckkh: I have seen the opposite -- installing 2.6.25-2-686 broke not-upgraded acpi |
| 14:19.35 | chuckkh | I tried installing 2.6.25 with my usual modifications, but the bcm wireless module underwent some changes and I couldn't figure it out, along with a few other things |
| 14:19.54 | chuckkh | a while ago, when I updated, suddenly xdm won't start at startup |
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| 14:20.29 | chuckkh | I see a message "Starting XDM...." then I get a tty login prompt; after signing in and typing "sudo xdm" XDM starts and I can sign into it... |
| 14:20.45 | arcsky | pumpkin0: ok i boot it now it doesnt went well :/ |
| 14:20.46 | chuckkh | but this suits me fine, actually |
| 14:20.47 | b_jonas | indeed, xserver-xorg and other stuff was removed yesterday when I installed libgl1-mesa-swx1 |
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| 14:21.17 | jelly-home | chuckkh: I have no idea what system-tools-backends are, sorry. If /var/lib/dpkg/info/system-tools-backends.postinst is a shell script, you can add "set -x" at the beginning, try to dpkg --configure it and see which command fails |
| 14:21.17 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 14:21.22 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: see ? good idea to keep the old copy around. |
| 14:21.27 | n-iCe | it is before the grub runs, but there is not option in the bios |
| 14:21.29 | arcsky | pumpkin0: yep |
| 14:21.30 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: |
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| 14:22.03 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: check again ? |
| 14:22.11 | n-iCe | I did twice |
| 14:22.12 | n-iCe | :< |
| 14:22.48 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: if it is up before grub then debian has nothing to do with it. #debian cannot solve that one... |
| 14:23.20 | colulu | hi, i have just installed the sun jdk, but i don't see the option for update-alternatives --config java |
| 14:23.29 | colulu | it still shows the old gij stuff |
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| 14:23.53 | chuckkh | jelly-home: thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it |
| 14:23.55 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: it occured after I intalled a new ram memory |
| 14:24.06 | arcsky | pumpkin0: or did i do something wrong with fstab maybe ? http://pastebin.com/m2153d8fc |
| 14:25.04 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: you move both into the same partition? i said one for usr, one for var.... |
| 14:25.34 | arcsky | pumpkin0: yes i have both in same partition |
| 14:26.02 | arcsky | pumpkin0: oki lets test again then |
| 14:26.07 | colulu | but it does work if I do the full path to access the sun jdk |
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| 14:26.10 | colulu | how can I fix this? |
| 14:26.23 | doublehp_ | wols_: install kernel failed ... problem about memory, but, you are lucky: i think "Cannot allocate" doesnot mean "not enough disk" but not enough RAM :) |
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| 14:26.51 | n-iCe | how do I install video codecs and audio codecs? |
| 14:27.05 | [nix] | How do I get transparency working in pekwm? like the transparent background in a terminal |
| 14:27.20 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: aptitude install mplayer ; it brings all possible codecs with him :) |
| 14:27.43 | inigo | n-iCe, for w32codecs and lame, check www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:27.52 | n-iCe | I did, doublehp_ i can't play some .wmv videos |
| 14:27.56 | n-iCe | inigo: I already have it installed |
| 14:28.00 | pumpkin0 | !multimedia |
| 14:28.01 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 14:28.19 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: there is a mplayer in the stock repo too. It does not play much ... |
| 14:29.05 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: when you run mplayer CLI, what is the error message ? |
| 14:29.33 | inigo | n-iCe, may be that you have a .wmv encoded whit a very recent version or codec, not included in the .deb |
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| 14:29.46 | jaggz1 | what's this sftp-server sitting around, spawned by sshd? |
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| 14:29.53 | n-iCe | inigo: no I have played it before |
| 14:29.58 | n-iCe | I don't know what's wrong |
| 14:30.08 | jelly-home | jaggz1: someone sftp-ed in? |
| 14:30.20 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: open a console and play the file from there. Do you see a error-msg ? |
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| 14:31.06 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: nope, it is playing with mplayer filename |
| 14:31.22 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: if mplayer fails to read, play the file from CLI, and put the log in a pastebin |
| 14:31.50 | o2T7 | Hi, how to repair sudoers.conf --without root perms-- when getting "sudoers file: syntax error" ??? |
| 14:32.00 | o2T7 | Remotely |
| 14:32.04 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: what should I do |
| 14:32.22 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: tell us which player fails would be nice. |
| 14:32.27 | n-iCe | mplayer |
| 14:32.31 | n-iCe | and totem |
| 14:32.36 | Bushmills | o2T7: just su, then fix it |
| 14:32.39 | inigo | o2T7, do you have a backup system ? |
| 14:32.45 | n-iCe | If use in console, mplayer filenamevideo , works |
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| 14:32.51 | doublehp_ | o2T7: user cant get root ? |
| 14:32.58 | o2T7 | Bushmills: I'm afraid that there are no root privileges at all |
| 14:33.00 | RoyK | hi. where can I find lenny iso images? |
| 14:33.00 | doublehp_ | o2T7: ssh -l root :) |
| 14:33.03 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: you mean gmplayer ? |
| 14:33.09 | n-iCe | no I mean, mplayer |
| 14:33.15 | o2T7 | doublehp_: neither root pass for ssh :S |
| 14:33.27 | jelly-home | o2T7: first, su to root. second, it's "/etc/sudoers", not "sudoers.conf". third, fix it |
| 14:33.29 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: mplayer => console, gmplayer => mplayer with GUI |
| 14:33.29 | doublehp_ | o2T7: if you REALLY cant get root at all, i got a trick, 2mn |
| 14:33.42 | n-iCe | says mplayer |
| 14:33.43 | RoyK | o2T7: type 'visudo' |
| 14:33.46 | Bushmills | o2T7: fire the person who broke sudo without providing an alternative way to become root |
| 14:34.02 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: I use mplayer for gui :) the CLI is just "hidden" :) |
| 14:34.10 | o2T7 | Bushmills: heh, that's probably the best solution xD |
| 14:34.24 | o2T7 | RoyK: Visudo needs root privs too |
| 14:34.26 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: the logs go in X garbage ... and I have control over sound using lirc :) |
| 14:34.27 | n-iCe | should I reboot? |
| 14:34.31 | jelly-home | !tell o2T7 -about forgot root password |
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| 14:34.45 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: no, check the logs like doublehp_ said. |
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| 14:34.47 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: I asked twice mplayer's logs ! |
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| 14:35.03 | doublehp_ | o2T7: reboot, and pass this to kernel arguments: init=/bin/bash |
| 14:35.18 | RoyK | o2T7: if course... |
| 14:35.28 | arcsky | pumpkin0: got problem with fourth partition http://pastebin.com/m332970f9 |
| 14:35.30 | doublehp_ | o2T7: after boot, run : mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1 / (or whatever your / is ) |
| 14:35.32 | jelly-home | doublehp_: that's what the bot told him |
| 14:35.36 | o2T7 | doublehp_: It must be done remotely |
| 14:35.36 | n-iCe | doublehp_: didn't read, where do i get the logs |
| 14:35.45 | doublehp_ | o2T7: then, you have full access to system: run passwd to change root pass, edit any file |
| 14:35.50 | RoyK | o2T7: that's the whole point - if you can't get root, missing the root password, boot on a cd and change the root password |
| 14:36.00 | doublehp_ | o2T7: when done: mount -o remount,ro /dev/hda1 / ; sync |
| 14:36.02 | jelly-home | o2T7: is there a reason you can't use "su"? |
| 14:36.04 | doublehp_ | o2T7: then you can reboot |
| 14:36.08 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: reboot after using cfdisk to modify the partition table. |
| 14:36.11 | o2T7 | jelly-home: Yes, no root pass |
| 14:36.32 | jelly-home | o2T7: who set up that Debian system? |
| 14:36.32 | doublehp_ | jelly-home: I cant read 100% the chan :) |
| 14:36.37 | RoyK | doublehp_: mount -o remount,ro will sync. sync won't do much fun after the fs is read-only |
| 14:36.41 | n-iCe | ?? |
| 14:36.47 | doublehp_ | o2T7: there are things that cant be done "for good security reasons" |
| 14:37.06 | o2T7 | I see it just lilke a privileges scalation, since there is no root privs at all and no phisical access by now to the server. |
| 14:37.18 | o2T7 | doublehp_: Yes, and I thanks it ;) |
| 14:37.30 | doublehp_ | RoyK: it's essential to avoid FS breakage (i already broke a machine because i forgot to remount ro after this) |
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| 14:37.32 | jelly-home | o2T7: sucks to be you. :-) |
| 14:37.33 | RoyK | o2T7: boot on a debian install cd, mount the root fs from the disk somewhere, chroot into it, passwd ... and you're done |
| 14:37.54 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: run mplayer mymovie.wmv from command line, and put the logs in a pastebin |
| 14:37.59 | o2T7 | RoyK: Nop, that needs phisical access too |
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| 14:38.03 | RoyK | doublehp_: if using ext2 or some other pre-historic fs, yes, but with modern filesystems, it shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:38.12 | RoyK | o2T7: well, then you're probably fscked :P |
| 14:38.30 | jelly-home | o2T7: if you often have to admin servers with no physical access, I recommend hardware with remote console access, like most brand-name servers have. |
| 14:38.40 | o2T7 | heh, sure xD |
| 14:38.56 | doublehp_ | RoyK: it costs nothing, and avoids rebooting problem: didn't you ever see that just before halt or reboot, your / is remounted ro ? |
| 14:39.09 | Bushmills | o2T7: no rescue system? net boot which you can select by web interface? |
| 14:39.09 | o2T7 | jelly-home: Well, I'll do your recommendation ;) |
| 14:39.20 | n-iCe | doublehp_: http://www.pasaas.pastebin.com/m309d150c |
| 14:39.21 | RoyK | doublehp_: I know... the reboot command does that for you |
| 14:39.22 | jelly-home | o2T7: eg. HP has remote console, power/reset buttons, virtual serial and cdrom capabilities (can mount and boot from remote iso images) |
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| 14:39.32 | o2T7 | Bushmills: I don't know that |
| 14:39.32 | RoyK | or init, even |
| 14:39.44 | doublehp_ | RoyK: I talk to help, not to break his box |
| 14:39.49 | RoyK | o2T7: with no root password and no sudo access, you won't get in... |
| 14:39.51 | Bushmills | o2T7: find out |
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| 14:39.59 | RoyK | doublehp_: I know. Sorry... I'm just being pedantic :P |
| 14:39.59 | o2T7 | jelly-home: Yes, I translated some good stuff about that not long ago. Good tools indeed. |
| 14:40.25 | beardy | jelly-home: Nice extra layer of security worries. |
| 14:40.31 | jelly-home | o2T7: other vendors have similar stuff (dell, sun, ibm...) |
| 14:40.56 | jelly-home | beardy: nope, separate network adapter and physical network |
| 14:41.14 | o2T7 | jelly-home: Yes, the pity is that they're not standarized. Something a bit weird, being such a vital issue. |
| 14:41.15 | beardy | jelly-home: But if you can shut it down? |
| 14:41.18 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: i dont see any fatal message; from mplayer's point of view, every thing seem fine to me |
| 14:41.31 | n-iCe | doublehp_: ¬¬ |
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| 14:41.32 | jelly-home | beardy: the management console stays on |
| 14:41.46 | n-iCe | doublehp_: it appears when I do double click in the file running it with mplayer, from console is ok |
| 14:41.53 | pumpkin0 | doublehp_: n-iCe says the file plays fine from console but fails to play from gui-mplayer. Now ... ? |
| 14:42.11 | jelly-home | o2T7: I think some bits are standardized, but not much. google "IPMI" |
| 14:42.12 | n-iCe | yuup |
| 14:42.27 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: so, if it plays fine from console: codec is good ! |
| 14:42.38 | o2T7 | Yes |
| 14:42.46 | doublehp_ | pumpkin0: n-iCe chan wakes up, i dont take time ti read lines that dont have my nick |
| 14:42.46 | n-iCe | doublehp_: but why i can't open it with a double click on the .wmv file |
| 14:43.05 | o2T7 | I know, although didn't experiment with it directly |
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| 14:43.28 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: misconfiguration: look in ~/.mplayer*/* things ... of maybe your WM settings ... of the file browser settings (about file associations ) |
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| 14:43.42 | znh | Hello. I'm looking for an application that can backup on the fly a hdd to another hdd |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | like. . RAID? |
| 14:44.01 | doublehp_ | n-iCe: i hate gmplayer; instead, I have configured to use "Eterm -c mplayer $1" that opens mplayer in Eterm ... |
| 14:44.06 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: are you sure the doubleclick starts mplayer ? And not something else like vlc ? |
| 14:44.09 | znh | abrotman: not an option |
| 14:44.18 | abrotman | rsync run every 10 minutes ? |
| 14:44.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: heh. |
| 14:44.35 | pumpkin0 | znh: dd and hope for the best? |
| 14:44.39 | doublehp_ | znh: sequential copy: rsync; live copy: RAID |
| 14:44.46 | znh | doublehp_: ty |
| 14:45.03 | doublehp_ | znh: for more advanced things, you need special file systems; i dont know the list |
| 14:45.07 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: it starts mplayer, and then the errors comes |
| 14:45.13 | pumpkin0 | znh: lvm and fun with snapshots ? |
| 14:45.25 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: which error-msg do you see ? |
| 14:45.38 | jelly-home | lvm seems to be rather inefficient with multiple snapshots |
| 14:46.01 | doublehp_ | znh: which kind of copy ? for which purpose ? |
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| 14:46.14 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: you only one, then copy to another HD and reuse the snapshot-space ... |
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| 14:46.21 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9913/screenshotbu2.png |
| 14:46.24 | znh | doublehp_: I have two disks in RAID 0 and one big disk that should hold the backup of those two. |
| 14:46.25 | SamuraiDio | can someone suggest a good Eterm replacement (with background images and configurable menus and actions support) with utf-8 support? |
| 14:46.48 | znh | SamuraiDio: Konsole |
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| 14:47.16 | doublehp_ | znh: same as me: daily rsync script in cron |
| 14:47.35 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: i'd guess konsole and gnome-terminal would boht do it .. and maybe some version of urxvt |
| 14:47.42 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: backup and remove ~/.mplayer |
| 14:48.04 | pumpkin0 | znh: RAID 0 + 1 ? |
| 14:48.10 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: aterm is said to be good; i did not like it, and reverted :) |
| 14:48.26 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: there is nothng better, or equivalent to E. |
| 14:48.38 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: anything else than E is below |
| 14:48.42 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: remove the folder or do ap-get remove |
| 14:48.45 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: raid1 would limit his write speeds to that of the slower mirror |
| 14:48.45 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, znh, konsole and gnome-terminal are good for ones taht use kde or gnome, but i don't use either |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | you can still install them |
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| 14:49.06 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, hehe, i agree... |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: try the urxvt .. dunno if it does backgrounds htough |
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| 14:49.41 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, no, it doesn't... |
| 14:49.43 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: konsole is heavy, but if you got ram and CPU to loose, it's nice ... and if you can afford loading kdelib 100 times a day :) |
| 14:49.46 | jelly-home | znh: there's a bunch of ready-made rsync wrappers like rsnapshot or dirvish |
| 14:50.02 | SamuraiDio | what i really need it configurable menus, background images is a plus |
| 14:50.15 | abrotman | whiney eh? :) |
| 14:50.18 | amphi | SamuraiDio: or xfce4-terminal |
| 14:50.18 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, no, i don't |
| 14:50.38 | SamuraiDio | amphi, too slow |
| 14:50.43 | n-iCe | pumpkin0: remove the folder or do ap-get remove |
| 14:50.47 | amphi | slow? |
| 14:50.49 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: give a try to rox-term |
| 14:51.50 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, lemme see.. |
| 14:52.21 | pumpkin0 | n-iCe: backup and remove the directory. |
| 14:52.45 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: i dont know how to cust menus, but it's light, and worth a try anyway |
| 14:52.46 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, rox* always have good improvments... |
| 14:53.33 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: since evince is not good, and i could never build and run E browser, when i left konqueror, i came to rox-filer :) |
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| 14:54.40 | Bushmills | doublehp_: evince = pdf viewer |
| 14:55.15 | doublehp_ | Bushmills: i think it was a broken dep of the browser :) |
| 14:55.21 | doublehp_ | in 2003 |
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| 14:57.10 | Symbi0nt | how can i enable gd and imagick on a debian system for php5. i have root access and already installed both with aptitude |
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| 14:57.55 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, evince = document viewer |
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| 14:58.26 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, roxterm seens to be a good GTK terminal, but no options to edit the menus... |
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| 14:58.37 | doublehp_ | Symbi0nt: aptitude search imagi => install php5-imagick |
| 14:58.41 | dimedo | hi, is it possible to give openssh-server a user whitelist? |
| 14:58.57 | Symbi0nt | I guess I needed to restart the apache .. |
| 14:58.59 | Symbi0nt | never mind :> |
| 14:59.00 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: i know there are no options; still, have a look in .conf ... |
| 14:59.07 | SamuraiDio | dimedo, what do you mean? |
| 14:59.29 | dimedo | SamuraiDio, i mean that i only want 2 specified users being able to login via ssh |
| 14:59.42 | dimedo | also the other users may have valid passwords for login |
| 14:59.44 | doublehp_ | Symbi0nt: you may also need to custm the conf, or load the module |
| 14:59.45 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, couldn't find anything |
| 15:00.07 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: what do you use term menus for ? |
| 15:00.25 | SethX_ | 'lo all. can anybody tell me which package provides /lib/security/pam_permit.s |
| 15:00.34 | SamuraiDio | dimedo, do you want let then be able to login without prompting a password? |
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| 15:00.55 | maligor | libpam-modules: /lib/security/pam_permit.so |
| 15:01.04 | SethX_ | thanks |
| 15:01.08 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: conf are hidden in .conf or .config ... deep away |
| 15:01.15 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, everything... i need custom actions... ssh logins, mount virtual file systems, change vim configurations, etc... |
| 15:01.22 | dimedo | SamuraiDio, no, for example, i've got 3 users which can login locally, but i only want 2 of them to be allowed to login from remote via ssh |
| 15:01.36 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, just something that enables to send pre defined commands from menus |
| 15:02.05 | SethX_ | uhm, already have that package installed, yet that file is missing |
| 15:02.07 | SethX_ | bizzare. |
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| 15:02.23 | SamuraiDio | dimedo, sorry, i don't know. but if you can't do it with sshd, yoy may be able with iptables |
| 15:02.33 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: for similar things, I did this: |
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| 15:02.38 | SamuraiDio | dimedo, or combining configurations from then |
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| 15:02.55 | sier | hello./ |
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| 15:03.11 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, Eterm and mrxvt has this feature, but none of then has utf-8 support |
| 15:03.31 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, i think i will have to stay with iso8859 for a while |
| 15:03.37 | SamuraiDio | well, g2g |
| 15:03.42 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, see ya! |
| 15:03.57 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: a shortkey starts some Xdialog script, and the selected "thing" is sent to mouse using xclip: middle click will paste |
| 15:04.03 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: i do this for passwords :) |
| 15:04.25 | dimedo | SamuraiDio, as i'm talking about encrypted ssh sessions i don't think that iptables would in any way be able to detect which user tries to login through ssh |
| 15:04.32 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: you can clip with, or without \n |
| 15:04.32 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, you mean u are using hotkeys? |
| 15:04.45 | SethX_ | argh. kernel update. |
| 15:04.49 | SethX_ | please pray for me |
| 15:04.56 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: all WM have hotkeys :) |
| 15:05.13 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: i described what i would do; what i do actually is: |
| 15:05.33 | SamuraiDio | doublehp_, hotkeys don't work for me... too much server to login through ssh |
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| 15:05.45 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: for some passwords, i just click in gkrellm-launch, on specified button, one button per password ... it puts the word in xclip, and I middle click in the app to paste it |
| 15:06.22 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: tu run webradios, i press the Bookmarks multimedia button of keyboard, and i got an xdialogs pop up menu: i double click on some radio, and it plays |
| 15:06.28 | SethX_ | ok, i am missing a file required by something, but since it is provided by a vital lib i cant just remove it to reinstall it |
| 15:06.34 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: a mix of the two concept can be a solution for you |
| 15:06.35 | SethX_ | how to force reinstall of a single package ? |
| 15:06.47 | crashanddie | !tell lcuk about apt-file |
| 15:07.09 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: hotkey can be as simple as ... Win-M |
| 15:07.29 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: or a resident window, a persistant xdialogs ... |
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| 15:07.44 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: that will fill buffer, and prompt again ... |
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| 15:08.26 | doublehp_ | SamuraiDio: the pop up comes out automatically (.bashrc power) then stay resident (like gkrellm for me): clic an entry, paste it anywhere |
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| 15:08.41 | amphi | !tell SethX_ about confmiss |
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| 15:09.30 | Braden_ | Hello |
| 15:09.33 | doublehp_ | wols_: kernel upgraded, and I even had 8M free instead of 2 :) what most surpised me is that even building initrd did not run out of disk. |
| 15:09.46 | Braden_ | What package contains the documentation for C functions such as "select", etc. |
| 15:09.50 | Braden_ | ? |
| 15:10.51 | amphi | manpages-dev |
| 15:10.59 | doublehp_ | Braden_: forgot :'( sth like libc-doc |
| 15:11.11 | doublehp_ | or stdlib-doc |
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| 15:14.24 | Braden_ | Found it, its: manpages-dev |
| 15:14.28 | Braden_ | That was a tricky one. |
| 15:15.09 | jelly-home | doublehp_: your upgrades would be faster if you put that disk in a machine with more ram and upgraded there, btw |
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| 15:17.11 | doublehp_ | jelly-home: upgrade would not be possible at all in an other machine: it's my router, and working with specific hardware |
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| 15:18.26 | doublehp_ | jelly-home: and my parc is very exotic. my machines are less and less compatibles with each other |
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| 15:19.14 | mooboy | hi all.my network manager can not find connection,i have to run network-config to set connection mannuly ,any suggestion? |
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| 15:22.16 | toad_ | is it possible to reliably (without constant segfaults) run eclipse on regular sun java on debian? |
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| 15:22.28 | toad_ | it was working fine until today, then i installed java 1.6, and it all blew up |
| 15:23.31 | toad_ | i need to run the target code on sun java 1.5, preferably 1.6 |
| 15:23.43 | toad_ | and be able to debug it without it segfaulting (the reason for installing 1.6) |
| 15:24.30 | toad_ | it's such a reliable event that it seems extremely unlikely that it's a hardware problem |
| 15:24.37 | toad_ | eclipse ALWAYS segfaults |
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| 15:24.55 | toad_ | it may take a few clicks or working with it for 5 minutes, but it always segfaults |
| 15:25.24 | wols_ | what java packages do you have installed? |
| 15:25.37 | toad_ | sun-java5-* sun-java6-* |
| 15:25.44 | toad_ | also gcj of course |
| 15:25.48 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.55 | wols_ | why all them? |
| 15:26.09 | NH|Computer|Geek | i'm new to debian, can someone help me? |
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| 15:26.34 | Bushmills | NH|Computer|Geek: nobody can help you to not be new to debian |
| 15:26.35 | wols_ | !tell NH|Computer|Geek about ask |
| 15:26.36 | toad_ | hmmm lets see if i can get rid of gcj... |
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| 15:26.49 | NH|Computer|Geek | lol |
| 15:26.51 | dvs | blows up gcj |
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| 15:27.37 | NH|Computer|Geek | i installed debian and something is wrong with the x server? |
| 15:27.45 | NH|Computer|Geek | and i cannot load a GUI |
| 15:27.58 | abrotman | look in the logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for an error |
| 15:28.15 | NH|Computer|Geek | what? |
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| 15:28.36 | wols_ | NH|Computer|Geek: pastebin the content of that file abrotman mentioned |
| 15:28.46 | Bushmills | yes, looking into logs beats guessing |
| 15:29.02 | NH|Computer|Geek | i cannot load debian, it just stays at a DOS like screen |
| 15:29.14 | wols_ | that IS debian |
| 15:29.19 | wols_ | and you have already loaded it |
| 15:29.20 | NH|Computer|Geek | well, ok |
| 15:29.20 | dvs | NH|Computer|Geek: listen to abrotman |
| 15:29.28 | amphi | not just a pretty face ;) |
| 15:29.35 | wols_ | NH|Computer|Geek: log in and pastebin the file |
| 15:29.39 | NH|Computer|Geek | i cant |
| 15:29.41 | Bushmills | that's the debian productivity environment. |
| 15:29.44 | wols_ | that is wrong |
| 15:29.46 | wols_ | you can |
| 15:29.52 | NH|Computer|Geek | how! |
| 15:29.52 | wols_ | !tell NH|Computer|Geek about grounding |
| 15:29.54 | abrotman | be nice |
| 15:29.59 | amphi | Bushmills: heh |
| 15:30.04 | wols_ | read the factoid |
| 15:30.12 | NH|Computer|Geek | i try startx and it says something is wrong with x server not installed |
| 15:30.27 | toad_ | hmmm debian is trying its best to prevent me from purging all traces of gcj... |
| 15:30.28 | wols_ | then install xorg |
| 15:30.49 | dvs | toad_: even removing the package? |
| 15:30.54 | NH|Computer|Geek | someone on another network told me it was my video card, and i need a driver |
| 15:30.58 | wols_ | !tell toad_ about errors |
| 15:31.04 | toad_ | it lets me remove some of the packages.. i'm working on it... |
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| 15:31.05 | Bushmills | "with x server not installed..." congratulations, you just seem to have found the reason for your problem |
| 15:31.17 | wols_ | NH|Computer|Geek: what debian version is it and what driver do you use? |
| 15:31.24 | wols_ | ro rather, what videocard do you use? |
| 15:31.44 | NH|Computer|Geek | ATI Radeon X700 SE |
| 15:31.47 | NH|Computer|Geek | 256mb |
| 15:32.07 | wols_ | !tell NH|Computer|Geek about drxx |
| 15:32.12 | wols_ | der ati/radeon treiber |
| 15:32.28 | scholzen | hi all, i need your help. i hava a raid1 system with mdadm. now i had a disk failure, and had to exchange a disk. now i'm in a rescue system (its a dedicated server). how to mirror all the partitions of the working drive on the new (clean) drive? |
| 15:32.31 | toad_ | aptitude always wants to keep the gcj packages |
| 15:32.43 | NH|Computer|Geek | uh, ok |
| 15:33.11 | wols_ | NH|Computer|Geek: falls du eine fehlermeldung bekommst wollen wir die EXACT sehen wie sie dasteht? |
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| 15:33.24 | wols_ | !tell toad_ about errors |
| 15:33.32 | toad_ | ummm you already did that |
| 15:33.36 | toad_ | :) |
| 15:33.47 | toad_ | "Some packages were broken and have been fixed:" ... |
| 15:34.00 | toad_ | and then it procedes to add the GCJ packages I just got rid of back on |
| 15:34.07 | wols_ | !tell toad_ about errors |
| 15:34.13 | toad_ | fuck off |
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| 15:34.15 | toad_ | i just did |
| 15:34.20 | wols_ | and I will do it until you actually comply |
| 15:34.25 | wols_ | no you did not |
| 15:34.34 | wols_ | (or stop talking about it) |
| 15:34.35 | toad_ | you want me to paste the entire output of aptitude? |
| 15:34.46 | toad_ | or what? what error message exactly is it you want? |
| 15:34.47 | wols_ | yes. and better not here |
| 15:35.18 | toad_ | whatever, i'll figure out some way to do it with dpkg rather than aptitude |
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| 15:37.17 | toad_ | the original problem was a segfault in eclipse that happens every time i try to run it with a non-GCJ JVM |
| 15:37.38 | toad_ | eclipse was originally written for non-GCJ JVMs, so I assume it should work, right? |
| 15:37.39 | toad_ | and it did until today |
| 15:37.51 | wols_ | aso the question is: what changed? |
| 15:38.32 | toad_ | i installed sun-java6-* and then removed sun-java5-* |
| 15:38.53 | toad_ | now even if i put sun-java5-* back in, it still segfaults if i use -vm /usr/bin/java to tell it to use the sun vm |
| 15:39.10 | wols_ | update-alternatives --config java |
| 15:39.51 | toad_ | yes i did that |
| 15:41.01 | toad_ | okay now gcj is gone |
| 15:41.08 | toad_ | update-alternatives only lists sun 5 and sun 6 |
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| 15:41.37 | arcsky | pumpkin0: there ? |
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| 15:41.43 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: not really. |
| 15:41.46 | arcsky | hehe |
| 15:42.00 | arcsky | pumpkin0: it doesnt work with 2 partitions |
| 15:42.11 | arcsky | only with sdc3 |
| 15:42.11 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: how does it fail ? |
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| 15:43.15 | arcsky | cant i just move whole "/" and make a new bigger sdc2 ? |
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| 15:44.00 | liable | i dont mind being ignored here. the debian packaging i am concerned with though |
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| 15:44.26 | liable | ECHAN |
| 15:45.15 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: if you manage to modify the bootloader: yes. |
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| 15:45.25 | pumpkin0 | arcsky: but a never touched it. |
| 15:45.30 | pumpkin0 | s/a/i |
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| 15:45.46 | Nibbl | scholzen, you could do this in your life system. just use mdadm and declare the new disk/partitions as part of the raid |
| 15:46.00 | toad_ | gah |
| 15:46.07 | scholzen | Nibbl, nevermind, got it |
| 15:46.13 | toad_ | even with no gcj installed, eclipse still segfaults |
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| 15:48.23 | toad_ | tries setting the default to 1.5 |
| 15:49.51 | liable | gives up. |
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| 15:52.49 | Nazz | does the netinstall cd automatically detect PPPoE connections |
| 15:53.02 | wols_ | Nazz: no |
| 15:53.29 | wols_ | but it's not needed anyways |
| 15:53.44 | Nazz | why's that |
| 15:53.44 | wols_ | netinst is such a misnomer :( |
| 15:54.07 | wols_ | cause netinst contains everything needed for a debian install |
| 15:54.27 | Nazz | it seemed strange that i got a working internet connection at a friends house without entering any pppoe information |
| 15:54.38 | Nazz | i couldn't find a menu for that anyway |
| 15:54.41 | wols_ | then it's not pppoe |
| 15:55.05 | wols_ | does the friend have a router? |
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| 15:55.11 | Nazz | nope |
| 15:55.19 | wols_ | no pppoe then |
| 15:55.38 | Nazz | strange. he connects using pppoe on his windows box |
| 15:56.11 | wols_ | you have all you need for pppoe with netinst however |
| 15:56.21 | toad_ | okay ... it looks like eclipse just doesn't like sun java 6 ... it seems to be behaving itself with sun java 5 ... |
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| 15:58.58 | tingle | hello, i run etch on my notebook for months now whitout a problem but this morning i booted it and now i hangs on Configuring network interfaces... wat should i do? |
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| 15:59.10 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.43 | tingle | for how long? |
| 15:59.56 | dvs | crosses his legs |
| 16:00.10 | defrysk | till it continues booting |
| 16:00.45 | tingle | defrysk: but its been hanging there about 10 mins now |
| 16:00.48 | liable | tingle: the more pressing question, is what sources did you add and packages did you install? |
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| 16:01.22 | tingle | liable: non-free nothing installed recently |
| 16:01.27 | liable | tingle: you have only debian stable sources? |
| 16:01.36 | tingle | liable: yes ofc |
| 16:01.53 | defrysk | tingle, check your hardware/connection(s) |
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| 16:02.47 | liable | tingle: if you havent done anything with your software, then the logical thought would be that your hardware is playing up |
| 16:03.10 | tingle | yes thats what im afrade of |
| 16:04.04 | liable | unusual that its hanging the kernel though |
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| 16:06.26 | defrysk | it is indeed |
| 16:07.00 | tingle | can it have somiething to do whit my wireless card i disabled it |
| 16:08.16 | wols_ | tingle: yes |
| 16:08.39 | tingle | how can i edit network interfaces when it doesnt boot? |
| 16:08.46 | arcsky | Kevin`: there ? |
| 16:08.56 | wols_ | tingle: boot in single user mode |
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| 16:09.30 | tingle | wols_: how can i do that? |
| 16:10.13 | o2T7 | tingle: append "single" to your kernel's boot options in grub |
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| 16:10.30 | tingle | o2T7: ok ty |
| 16:10.46 | o2T7 | tingle: no problem |
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| 16:13.11 | wols_ | you already have a entry for this in your menu.lst |
| 16:13.29 | wols_ | o2T7: no need to add "single" |
| 16:13.31 | liable | i'm getting rickrolled on tv! |
| 16:14.08 | crashanddie | does anyone know how I could disable the middle-mouse-click ? |
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| 16:14.26 | wols_ | !tell crashanddie about drxx |
| 16:14.41 | wols_ | tho middle mouse click is in one way or other mandatory for X |
| 16:14.43 | o2T7 | wols_: That's because I leave one only line |
| 16:15.06 | wols_ | o2T7: not debian standard |
| 16:15.24 | crashanddie | wols_, yeah, but I have a dodgy mouse, and everytime I scroll up, it pastes shit in my source code... Not exactly productive |
| 16:15.39 | o2T7 | wols_: sure, I rewrite it each time grub installs a new menu.lst version |
| 16:15.51 | liable | gives crashanddie 5 bucks for a new mouse |
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| 16:16.23 | crashanddie | liable, spent 70 on it :P |
| 16:16.34 | crashanddie | I might just return it, in fact |
| 16:16.38 | crashanddie | anyway, well, thanks |
| 16:16.42 | liable | crashanddie: obviously that was money well wasted :P |
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| 16:17.32 | crashanddie | liable, not the sort of things that's written in a big black font on the packaging |
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| 16:17.36 | Wampyre | Hello |
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| 16:18.14 | Wampyre | I have a Pentium MMx 266mhz, 96mb ram laptop. It has a CDROM, but no dvd. How can I install debian onto it? |
| 16:18.28 | crashanddie | Wampyre, net install ? |
| 16:18.30 | liable | crashanddie: what "this mouse sucks ass" ? yes, i doubt a munfacturer would add that to the packaging |
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| 16:18.44 | liable | crashanddie: maybe its just broken? |
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| 16:18.58 | crashanddie | liable, that's why i said I might return it |
| 16:19.04 | ixnay | Anyone here having ati and running multiple displays that could point me in the direction of a nice howto? |
| 16:19.05 | Corkster | Wampyre use a debian netiso install cdrom |
| 16:19.08 | Wampyre | I also have VERY limited internet connection. I get billed per MB, and its extremely expensive. |
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| 16:19.29 | Corkster | order the cd's |
| 16:19.33 | inigo | Wampyre, the binary CD(ROM)1 has the most usual packages |
| 16:19.41 | liable | Wampyre: get cd1 from somewhere |
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| 16:19.50 | inigo | it has from tha base to gnome |
| 16:20.11 | wols_ | Wampyre: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 16:20.26 | ixnay | No one? |
| 16:20.40 | defrysk | maybe some linux magazine has a disk attached with debian |
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| 16:21.42 | o2T7 | ixnay: man xinit |
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| 16:22.07 | x_chany_x | FUCK U ALL |
| 16:22.11 | x_chany_x | FUCK U ALL |
| 16:22.13 | x_chany_x | FUCK U ALL |
| 16:22.15 | beardy | Wampyre: Yeah, order a set of DVDs or CDs |
| 16:22.17 | x_chany_x | FUCK U ALL |
| 16:22.17 | wols_ | !ops x_chany_x is a spammer |
| 16:22.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: x_chany_x is a spammer |
| 16:22.21 | beardy | !ops... |
| 16:22.25 | beardy | !win wols_ |
| 16:22.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 16:22.34 | wols_ | beardy: he already spammed another channel |
| 16:22.36 | x_chany_x | jr |
| 16:22.37 | x_chany_x | jk |
| 16:22.41 | x_chany_x | kk |
| 16:22.43 | x_chany_x | jghk |
| 16:22.49 | wols_ | I was on the return key as soon as he joined |
| 16:23.01 | beardy | :) |
| 16:23.05 | x_chany_x | k |
| 16:23.05 | x_chany_x | jk |
| 16:23.06 | x_chany_x | jh |
| 16:23.07 | x_chany_x | k |
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| 16:23.09 | liable | which channel? |
| 16:23.12 | ixnay | He probably uses mac |
| 16:23.13 | ixnay | :P |
| 16:23.14 | wols_ | guess :) |
| 16:23.24 | wols_ | in the last one he evaded the flood protection |
| 16:23.26 | liable | suspects wols helps ubuntu people! |
| 16:23.48 | liable | i thought you got banned |
| 16:24.28 | wols_ | interestingly, some ops like me, some despise me. no prizes to guess which hate me |
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| 16:24.54 | hoxu | tags wols_ with a "flammable material" sticker |
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| 16:25.57 | ixnay | Any other suggestions? |
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| 16:26.07 | beardy | To? |
| 16:26.29 | DawnLight | does linux work on amd 740 chipset? |
| 16:26.36 | ixnay | Anyone here having ati and running multiple displays that could point me in the direction of a nice howto? |
| 16:26.36 | beardy | ixnay: /msg dpkg listkeys ati |
| 16:26.37 | wols_ | DawnLight: yes |
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| 16:26.54 | DawnLight | wols_: thanks!! |
| 16:27.21 | ixnay | beardy: didn't say much, actually. |
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| 16:28.29 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: at least tell us if you are on radeon, fglrx or radeonHD ... ? |
| 16:28.48 | ixnay | radeon mobility |
| 16:28.50 | ixnay | T30 |
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| 16:29.03 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: ati never made a T30. |
| 16:29.13 | ixnay | I meant the card inside the T30 : |
| 16:29.14 | ixnay | :P |
| 16:29.37 | ixnay | I'll find the exact card name, if you need it. |
| 16:29.50 | liable | that would have to be a 7500 or earlier |
| 16:29.55 | ixnay | yup |
| 16:30.00 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: the driver you use would help already ... |
| 16:30.19 | liable | fglrx doesnt even support them now |
| 16:30.20 | ixnay | the official ati driver from ati.com |
| 16:30.26 | pumpkin0 | ... |
| 16:30.29 | liable | r200 |
| 16:30.30 | beardy | ixnay: Neither did you. |
| 16:30.30 | pumpkin0 | get the model. |
| 16:30.41 | wols_ | ixnay: we do not support that |
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| 16:30.58 | DawnLight | what about the other 700 series? |
| 16:31.04 | liable | ixnay: fglrx doesnt support those cards. its too old |
| 16:31.11 | Wampyre | Does the installer need to get its packages off the internet, or can I mount the dvd to an exported fs? |
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| 16:31.23 | o2T7 | ixnay: You can do the trick with just some X, xhost, etc, commands. |
| 16:31.31 | wols_ | Wampyre: you can mount it that way |
| 16:31.34 | gnuSnob | does vbox run on debian okay? and does it run vmware images? |
| 16:31.38 | ixnay | Radeon mobility 7500 |
| 16:31.43 | wols_ | !tell o2T7 about xhost |
| 16:31.53 | Wampyre | What do I need to get the install started like that then? |
| 16:32.04 | beardy | Wampyre: If you have the full set, or just a few discs too.. you get the packages of the discs, unless you configure it to download. |
| 16:32.04 | beardy | Wampyre: A set of discs. |
| 16:32.18 | amphi | ixnay: I have that card - superb ;) |
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| 16:32.20 | beardy | Wampyre: The first one only, but in your case, get them all. |
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| 16:32.33 | ixnay | amphi: Sarcasm or serious? :P |
| 16:32.46 | amphi | ixnay: it's fully supported by the xorg radeon driver |
| 16:32.54 | norc | Hello. I have a debian machine at home, and Im on a Ubuntu machine. Im trying to get a load of packages for my debian machine at home, so here is the problem |
| 16:32.54 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: not supported be www.ati.com. Never was, never will. |
| 16:32.57 | wols_ | Wampyre: the dvd and a netinst |
| 16:33.09 | amphi | ixnay: both, I suppose - it's not bad, just old and somewhat feeble |
| 16:33.14 | norc | I have no internet at home, so I prepared a list of all the debs that I want, with their sources |
| 16:33.14 | wols_ | !tell norc about apt-zip |
| 16:33.21 | amphi | ixnay: it runs stellarium fine |
| 16:33.21 | beardy | What does he need the netinst for now? |
| 16:33.26 | ixnay | ok, then I probably have forgotten what driver I have. |
| 16:33.29 | wols_ | beardy: to boot? |
| 16:33.31 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: but works very fine in xorg. Are you on lenny or etch ? |
| 16:33.35 | beardy | wols_: Eh..? |
| 16:33.35 | ixnay | etch |
| 16:33.45 | wols_ | beardy: he has no dvd drive on the box he installs it |
| 16:33.52 | beardy | wols_: Of course he would boot from the discs he orders. |
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| 16:34.03 | beardy | wols_: Ah.. I think I get it then. |
| 16:34.11 | wols_ | beardy: when he orders dvds that is kinda hard |
| 16:34.11 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: ok, and that is the problem? xinerama or clone or ... ? |
| 16:34.37 | beardy | wols_: He could just put one in though, they are.. not much. Or get the pile of cds. |
| 16:34.39 | ixnay | I actually have no extensions to my X |
| 16:35.02 | ixnay | Do I need one to run multiple displays? |
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| 16:35.44 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: you want to connect a 2. display to that laptop, right ? |
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| 16:35.51 | ixnay | yup, a tv. |
| 16:36.25 | norc | wols_: ok, is there any way to update apt remotely as well? |
| 16:36.51 | pumpkin0 | ixnay: tv and etch ... i'm out. I have that card running under lenny with 2 displays. But etch uses a different system... |
| 16:37.00 | ixnay | hrmmmm... |
| 16:37.05 | ixnay | annoying. |
| 16:38.29 | pumpkin0 | the magicline for lenny is "xrandr" and then follow the instructions. For etch you have to edit the xorg.conf. |
| 16:38.43 | ixnay | I suspected as much. |
| 16:38.59 | ixnay | but I have no idea as of how to add the tv in xorg.conf :\ |
| 16:39.49 | Wampyre | needs a floppy disk now to which these images can be written :( |
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| 16:53.52 | liable | wow, thunderbird has a little + sign for messages with attachments or something. first time i have noticed it.. |
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| 16:54.46 | beardy | Hitech. |
| 16:54.58 | wols_ | it has a papre clip for that liable |
| 16:55.04 | liable | oh, three mails with the same name |
| 16:55.33 | liable | it groups them |
| 16:55.41 | liable | pretty cool |
| 16:55.46 | wols_ | threading yes |
| 16:55.53 | liable | must email the stupid bitch that sent them |
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| 17:24.14 | carter | how is everyone this morning? |
| 17:24.56 | liable | drunk |
| 17:25.05 | carter | i screwed up my packages by trying to get a package from testing and now i get this error whenever i try to install a new package... http://pastie.org/232654 could somebody maybe help me get things up and going? |
| 17:25.26 | carter | liable: well you must be having a good morning then :) |
| 17:26.02 | liable | just an average morning.. ;) |
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| 17:27.05 | liable | pastie.org is very slow. please use a decent pastebot |
| 17:27.26 | carter | liable: it normally isn't but its acting like shit today... just a sec |
| 17:27.28 | liable | waits for it to load |
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| 17:28.47 | amphi | carter: why do you have /usr/local/lib/readline* ? |
| 17:29.04 | carter | liable: http://rafb.net/p/l2P2LK56.html |
| 17:29.42 | carter | amphi: i'm not sure |
| 17:29.45 | liable | good question |
| 17:30.04 | amphi | carter: debian didn't put it there ;) |
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| 17:30.39 | carter | amphi: well i must have built that |
| 17:32.01 | amphi | carter: gpg doesn't seem to like it; you could move it out of the way, run ldconfig (perhaps after deleting /etc/ld.so.cache), and try apt-get again |
| 17:32.03 | liable | obviouslt gpg doesnt like your library |
| 17:32.51 | thiagomz | Anyone here using vmware with a laptop, how can I change my guest network when I switch from wifi to wired network on host machine ? |
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| 17:33.43 | carter | amphi: that did it... thanks for your help :) |
| 17:34.04 | amphi | you're welcome - go and sin no more ;) |
| 17:34.31 | carter | seeks repentence |
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| 17:34.39 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 17:34.39 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 17:34.42 | xingu | wonders who carter gets |
| 17:35.09 | xand | !cake |
| 17:35.10 | dpkg | The cake is a lie. |
| 17:35.42 | shyam_k | hi what was that command which lists the list of all locales from which we can select? i was trying dpkg-reconfigure locales but it didnt give me the list.. |
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| 17:36.38 | wols_ | shyam_k: bt it is |
| 17:36.49 | wols_ | *but |
| 17:36.54 | wols_ | !locales |
| 17:36.54 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 17:38.39 | n-iCe | who uses banshee? |
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| 17:38.56 | wols_ | !who uses banshee |
| 17:38.57 | amphi | I've occasionally wondered myself |
| 17:39.04 | wols_ | !anyone use banshee |
| 17:39.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses banshee, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:39.46 | n-iCe | I need the salt lake city station url, please |
| 17:40.18 | amphi | the Voice of Joseph Smith? ;) |
| 17:40.25 | pumpkin0 | i need some content for a file. The content starts with START-STUFF and ends with END-STUFF. The files are big (> 1GB) but i have time. how can i realise this in bash / grep... ? |
| 17:41.07 | wols_ | n-iCe: how is this debian related? ask the mormons! |
| 17:41.25 | shyam_k | wols_: but it says generating locales..and it just generates the locales that i already have and says generation complete..never gives me a list so that i can choose a new locale.. |
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| 17:42.40 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales |
| 17:42.56 | wols_ | and if that doesn't work, edit /etc/locale.gen and generate with d-r locales |
| 17:44.27 | shyam_k | /etc/locale.gen is blank.. i should add the language codes there?ah i remeber something like that.. |
| 17:44.38 | wols_ | yes |
| 17:44.39 | rpetre | pumpkin0: sounds like a job for sed, but i'd probably do it with while read line ; do .. done < bigfile |
| 17:46.01 | wols_ | shyam_k: http://pastebin.com/f179cf7b2 |
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| 17:48.11 | pumpkin0 | rpedro_: yes, but i have problem with the if-then-else part. i got the syntax wrong somehow ... |
| 17:48.35 | pumpkin0 | rpedro_: an nice grep --start --end <file > output would be nice ... |
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| 17:50.49 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: sed, perl or awk. In awk, "awk '/START-STUFF/, /END-STUFF/' filename" |
| 17:51.10 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: thanks, will try. |
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| 17:51.23 | shyam_k | it seems i am missing some packages.. i saved locales.gen with an extra code that i dont have by default.. now dpkg-reconfigure [-plow] locales is still behaving without any change...means its neither showing me the list nor showing anything about the language i newly added |
| 17:51.57 | shyam_k | wols_: thanks for the list.. i have been through that earlier but forgot how i did that:) |
| 17:52.16 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: man awk, see EXAMPLES |
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| 17:52.56 | OBcecado | hello guys |
| 17:53.01 | rpetre | i'm stupid, jelly-home is right |
| 17:53.28 | OBcecado | i'm running sid, and i'm getting the following error after i run apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/d67eea063 |
| 17:53.38 | OBcecado | any help would be appreciated, thanks |
| 17:54.06 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: nice. Thanks a lot. |
| 17:54.18 | DawnLight | does sshguard require some configuration? |
| 17:54.19 | rpetre | OBcecado: do you have a full /boot partition? |
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| 17:54.34 | OBcecado | i do, but i cannot remove any files through apt-get |
| 17:54.38 | DawnLight | or does debian do all the magic? |
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| 17:55.08 | OBcecado | i have 2.6.25 and 2.6.25-bigmem |
| 17:55.20 | wols_ | DawnLight: security relevan software ALWAYS needs to be configured |
| 17:55.21 | OBcecado | i wanted to remove the regular one |
| 17:55.28 | wols_ | OBcecado: then do it |
| 17:55.42 | DawnLight | wols_: denyhosts doesn't |
| 17:55.54 | OBcecado | i did, it loops me to the same error |
| 17:56.05 | rpetre | OBcecado: make a bit of space first |
| 17:56.28 | wols_ | DawnLight: ALWAYS. at least to check the config at a minimum |
| 17:56.38 | wols_ | and denyhosts needs to be configured which hosts to block |
| 17:56.45 | OBcecado | the problem is all the stuff there was installed through apt-get |
| 17:56.53 | OBcecado | if i remove it wouldn't i get any conflicts ? |
| 17:56.58 | jelly-home | DawnLight: you might be missing the point; even if a piece of software works out of the box, you should inspect and understand the config |
| 17:57.26 | DawnLight | wols_: i've checked it once so i know i like the default config debian makes for denyhosts |
| 17:57.27 | shyam_k | wols_: i didnt get the list but my customer did! thanks!:) |
| 17:57.53 | wols_ | DawnLight: if you don't get it ever, so I better stop. good day |
| 17:58.16 | wols_ | fyi: config files made by debian maintainers change over time |
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| 17:59.10 | DawnLight | wols_: i get it. security == important == check everything always and listen to wols |
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| 17:59.33 | wols_ | adds another one to the ignore list |
| 17:59.55 | jelly-home | DawnLight: don't listen to wols (or anyone else) blindly; trust but verify. |
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| 18:00.36 | wols_ | jelly-home: ESPECIALLY not to me |
| 18:00.48 | liable | agreed |
| 18:01.52 | liable | not even a beating? /me is dissapointed |
| 18:01.52 | jelly-home | ... or am I lying! |
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| 18:03.56 | htmlol | alright here's a problem I'm having |
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| 18:04.06 | htmlol | I run iceweasel and firefox on this system |
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| 18:04.13 | htmlol | and I use different profiles for both |
| 18:04.28 | htmlol | now all of a sudden, they both refuse to show the profile manager |
| 18:04.37 | jelly-home | !tell htmlol -about enter |
| 18:04.54 | jelly-home | htmlol: are there any firefox-bin processes lying around? |
| 18:05.09 | htmlol | just didn't want to type to long and get cut off, that's all. |
| 18:05.14 | htmlol | I'll check. |
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| 18:06.26 | htmlol | jelly-home: yes, there were; I killed them and it fixed it. thanks. I don't know why I didn't think of that :( *bashes head into wall* |
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| 18:07.11 | OBcecado | prob solved, thanks for your help |
| 18:07.16 | liable | like ipv4 even or something. |
| 18:07.23 | jelly-home | htmlol: hey, wall repair is expensive |
| 18:07.43 | liable | the ipw2100 stuff i still find odd as well |
| 18:07.48 | htmlol | that is, if your head can break cement. ;) |
| 18:07.55 | liable | jesus christ |
| 18:08.21 | liable | self flagelates for echan |
| 18:08.35 | jelly-home | !lose liable |
| 18:08.35 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 18:08.59 | liable | nothing new |
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| 18:18.10 | arcsky | anyone played around with qemu emulator ? |
| 18:18.43 | Eulex | I have |
| 18:19.01 | DawnLight | arcsky: i use virtualbox |
| 18:19.50 | arcsky | i want to install debian-40r3-mips-CD-1.iso on my 512mb flash disc from windows |
| 18:19.56 | arcsky | is that possible? |
| 18:20.09 | epsilon | yeah, pro: slow, con: slow |
| 18:20.41 | epsilon | take a vacancy before you start playing with qemu |
| 18:20.59 | arcsky | j |
| 18:20.59 | arcsky | hehe |
| 18:21.28 | arcsky | i just want debian working on my routerboard |
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| 18:24.07 | DawnLight | i wish debian would be better! |
| 18:24.19 | Foskasse | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fail-duck-writing1.jpg LOL! |
| 18:24.24 | liable | at what? doing your washing? |
| 18:24.40 | DawnLight | at ahm... stuff! |
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| 18:24.57 | DawnLight | do i'm goin to be more active with the bug reports and such |
| 18:25.11 | DawnLight | it has proven effective |
| 18:25.21 | DawnLight | when is lenny feature-freezing? |
| 18:26.54 | Sling | DawnLight : http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt |
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| 18:27.36 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 18:32.22 | ma3x | how do you run a certain command for 150 times for example? |
| 18:32.41 | ma3x | let's say I want to do 'ps aux' 150 times |
| 18:32.44 | Corkster | bash would do that easily |
| 18:32.57 | ma3x | how do i do it without typing && 150 times? |
| 18:33.14 | arcsky | when i install stuff with apt-get does it takes space in /usr only ? |
| 18:33.16 | epsilon | loop? |
| 18:33.22 | Eulex | ma3x, for i in `seq 1 150` |
| 18:33.43 | Eulex | ; do cmd; done |
| 18:33.56 | Bushmills | arcsky: no. also /var, /etc |
| 18:34.01 | Eulex | look up soem bash tutorial on the net. |
| 18:34.02 | Eulex | *some |
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| 18:34.32 | Corkster | we would just tell you but that would cheat us of our eliteness |
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| 18:34.46 | arcsky | oki |
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| 18:35.28 | Bushmills | and installing compiled kernels use space in /boot |
| 18:35.36 | Eulex | arcsky, no, some packages put stuff in /boot, /bin or /sbin |
| 18:35.51 | arcsky | if i have a partition with all "/" the sace is soon full can i add an extra partition in to it ? |
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| 18:36.28 | Bushmills | you can split off some dirs and put them somewhere else |
| 18:36.53 | Bushmills | /usr/share/doc is a good one. /home too |
| 18:37.07 | Corkster | more partitions are a good thing |
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| 18:37.25 | arcsky | ye but my flash disc doesnt like more then 3 |
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| 18:38.06 | Bushmills | why is that? |
| 18:38.28 | arcsky | i use this rb500-128.img |
| 18:38.45 | arcsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.51 | ma3x | Eulex: where do i put the 'ps aux' ? |
| 18:39.05 | ma3x | ah sorry i didn't read your 2nd line |
| 18:39.34 | Eulex | ma3x, inside the loop. |
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| 18:41.53 | arcsky | Eulex: for i in `seq 1 150`; do ps aux; done |
| 18:42.25 | Eulex | right |
| 18:42.46 | Bushmills | or for I in {1..150} ; do ... |
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| 18:46.53 | LV-426 | having keyboard problems - something causing endless key repeat, i suspect the mobo. any reset i can do when this happens ? - kbd support wasn't compiled as a module... |
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| 18:47.30 | Corkster | LV-426 I just had that same issue in 3 differant distros using my usb keyboard |
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| 18:49.38 | LV-426 | mine's ps2 though.... my suger daddy won't fund the upgrade ; ) |
| 18:50.31 | karmatronic | LV-426: :) |
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| 19:00.58 | Deepa|Away | Decent MUD engine which runs fine? |
| 19:01.14 | Deepa|Away | Preferrably with lots of functions |
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| 19:03.14 | xingu | LV-426: when that's happened to me in the past, it's usually been due to something upsetting the (ACPI) EC; how's your thermals looking, and are you running a current kernel? |
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| 19:04.06 | babilen | hi all... does anybody know what the difference between alt-intl and intl keyboard layout is? |
| 19:05.07 | xingu | babilen: you probably need to peek at the keymaps, but often it's variances in hyper/super key positioning, ` vs ¬ issues, etc. |
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| 19:05.58 | maligor | I expect the one without the 'alt' in it, is the more used one |
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| 19:07.04 | xingu | babilen: see usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 for example. |
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| 19:08.59 | xingu | babilen: ... and ...xkb/rules/xorg{,.lst}, ...xkb/symbols/us |
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| 19:10.03 | LV-426 | xingu, cpu at a steady 40c, haven't tapped my nv thermal sensor yet... custom 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 19:10.22 | asoot | hello |
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| 19:10.38 | babilen | xingu: yeah, thats exactly the files i am reading right now... but it is a bit hard to figure out the difference.... i'll try diffing the appropriate sections |
| 19:10.46 | enouf | wow, hehe, got a strange issue - ok, so i overwrote some beginning area of my swap to test out my 1337 skillz0Rz and guess what, since it was being used 200MB out of 400M available, it (Xserver) soon there after crashed and froze - so, i couldn't even drop to any TTY, so sysrq to the rescue,.. however; i made it to (sysrq) REI, because i was then able to get into the TTYs - and stopped there like a fool :-P |
| 19:10.59 | enouf | anyways ... |
| 19:11.07 | xingu | LV-426: from memory 2.6.22-vintage ACPI EC has issues with handling EC interrupts; try unloading the module/ fiddling with ec_intr modparm. |
| 19:11.13 | asoot | i've an debian vserver and want to use it to load backups from my webspace. should/can i use the debian-user "backup" or should i create a new one? |
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| 19:12.35 | enouf | so, i find out most processes are dead, so i zeroed out swap (which was now all freed up from alll the dead apps no longer running), then swapoff ; mkswap /dev/nameX ; then logout as root; login as $USER and attempt /etc/init.d/kdm start, which spits out, wants root - so i sudoed it |
| 19:12.59 | enouf | Everything comes up all smelling roses - except one thing |
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| 19:13.30 | enouf | "mount" only output usage help options; yet cat /proc/mounts and cat /etc/mtab show normal mount :-P |
| 19:13.33 | enouf | what gives? |
| 19:14.07 | xingu | enouf: you're into dataloss territory; suggest you aim your computer toward mecca and pray. |
| 19:14.07 | enouf | should i try to remount everything? i did a few "sync" here and there |
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| 19:14.19 | enouf | xingu: shutdown -rF now ? |
| 19:14.49 | enouf | or "touch /forcefsk" .. whatever |
| 19:14.52 | xingu | enouf: in your shoes I'd use the sysrq stuff to sync, unmount, sync, and reboot; then recheck (data)file checksums from backup. |
| 19:14.54 | enouf | add a c |
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| 19:15.30 | enouf | xingu: i blew it huh? almost though right? If i only went to S then U ? |
| 19:16.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.46 | enouf | or XLATE or whatever |
| 19:17.04 | enouf | the BUSIER backwards thing i was aiming for |
| 19:17.09 | xingu | enouf: executables/ libraries should be fine; what will be suspect is data pages that have been pulled back in and then written to disk (to the corresponding data file) by their application. |
| 19:17.32 | liable | if you sysrq, does the kernel know where it was at? |
| 19:17.44 | enouf | i see - oh well - hrm liable ? |
| 19:18.21 | enouf | liable: i can drop to tty and do a sysrq -h .. or whatever - what do you mean thoogh? |
| 19:18.22 | liable | enouf: was a question, not an answer :) |
| 19:18.25 | dcnoye | how do i run a process that will respawn when it dies ? |
| 19:18.38 | enouf | i don't understand though liable .. |
| 19:18.43 | marast | join #php |
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| 19:19.11 | enouf | liable: i have now, Full blown DE all up and running again |
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| 19:19.26 | enouf | liable: seems fine except for that one little mount thing :-P |
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| 19:21.19 | liable | enouf: gimme 5, i have a hypothesis in the works :) |
| 19:21.20 | streuner | liable: how is life today? |
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| 19:21.57 | liable | streuner: soaked in beer on hapy as usual |
| 19:21.57 | enouf | liable: hehe - my browser is locking up with only one window/instance .. that NEVER happens though it could be pastebin.ca fault :-P |
| 19:22.30 | LV-426 | xingu, thanks for the tip - i'll attempt to recompile with acpi debugging, see if i can catch any interesting messages |
| 19:22.45 | liable | hmm, s/on/and/ s/gapy/happy/ |
| 19:22.45 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1070270 xingu , liable, i should be ok, with those mounted options right? i had it like that prior to all the crash crap |
| 19:23.16 | enouf | when i say 'ok', i mean if i reboot and fsck now |
| 19:23.43 | DawnLight | i've just submitted #490574. does anyone have thoughts about it? i'd like to hear |
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| 19:24.14 | enouf | stupid pastebin! |
| 19:24.26 | liable | theres something about mounts and kernels thats sticky, and there i have this hypothisis about your mount info |
| 19:24.38 | enouf | here's mtab - shows better what i hd originally http://pastebin.ca/raw/1070275 |
| 19:24.41 | liable | but my brain isnt working |
| 19:24.55 | dcnoye | how do i automagically restart a process that dies ? |
| 19:25.00 | enouf | but b/c /proc/mounts isn't showing what i THINK i usually see there, i'm a bit worried |
| 19:25.05 | liable | http://crichi.com/crisel/pichas/cantbrain.jpg |
| 19:25.21 | enouf | liable: irecall running strace on plain "mount" once or twice |
| 19:25.26 | enouf | and also seeing what's up |
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| 19:25.42 | enouf | but i didn't learn much, except it checked BOTH files i posted, IIRC |
| 19:25.47 | enouf | open() them |
| 19:26.30 | enouf | well, there goes my uptime |
| 19:26.31 | enouf | ~$ uptime |
| 19:26.32 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.56 | liable | there goes your epenis! |
| 19:27.16 | htmlol | only 2 users? |
| 19:27.18 | liable | back to prepubesent size for you! :P |
| 19:27.20 | htmlol | lol I have 5 |
| 19:27.26 | htmlol | but it's just me. quite funny. |
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| 19:27.52 | htmlol | darnold darnold darnold darnold darnold |
| 19:27.55 | htmlol | lol |
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| 19:29.46 | liable | time for me to stop being an asshole and go to bed |
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| 19:32.51 | Akuw | i have problems to print |
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| 19:32.59 | Akuw | i can see the printer |
| 19:33.09 | Akuw | but when i send a doc, never print |
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| 19:33.49 | liable | !qotd108 |
| 19:33.49 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
| 19:35.21 | kakado_ | Akuw: is it a cups printer? |
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| 19:36.10 | lxsameer | hi what is EXTRA_CFLAGES |
| 19:36.14 | lxsameer | ? |
| 19:37.15 | Akuw | yeah |
| 19:37.45 | Akuw | i used http://localhost:631/admin |
| 19:38.02 | Akuw | i can see the printer, queue, etc |
| 19:38.08 | Akuw | the problems is to print |
| 19:38.15 | Akuw | i download the driver from internet |
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| 19:38.41 | Akuw | i test the printer in windows box and is ok |
| 19:39.08 | Akuw | hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1005?serial=BB03SJ8 |
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| 19:40.57 | kakado_ | Akuw: there is #cups channel |
| 19:41.19 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 19:44.40 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to change the hardware clock from local to GMT/UTC? |
| 19:45.55 | asg | kingsley: hwclock |
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| 19:46.53 | [ifr0g] | HI, why does this happen ---> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26940/ |
| 19:47.05 | kingsley | asg, Yes, I agree, but, I believe that a configuration file or files also need to be changed so the hardware clock isn't reset while booting. |
| 19:47.45 | asg | kingsley: /etc/default/rcS |
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| 19:48.11 | asg | [ifr0g]: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:48.46 | [ifr0g] | Just a sec. |
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| 19:49.44 | kingsley | asg, Yes, I just tried assigning "yes" to $UTC in /etc/default/rcS, but I saw that booting changed the hardware clock to one hour after the local time. I'm about to try the following command "dpkg-reconfigure util-linux" to secure the hardware clock at GMT. |
| 19:51.03 | [ifr0g] | asg, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26941/ |
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| 19:53.00 | asg | [ifr0g]: I'd ask the Dream Linux folks, we don't support that here. Sorry. |
| 19:53.11 | enouf | Ok xingu and liable - you won't even believe this one |
| 19:54.07 | enouf | guess what? I had at some time long ago zcat initrd-img-version | cpio -i and it somehow ended up in my ~/bin O_o |
| 19:54.22 | Jemt | I need an MP3 encoder for Debian, any suggestions? Lame is not included in repositories |
| 19:54.24 | enouf | guess what 'which mount' says? |
| 19:54.38 | rsk | Jemt: having contrib and non-free in sources.list ? |
| 19:54.39 | enouf | yep /home/username/bin/mount O_o |
| 19:54.46 | Jemt | rsk: Yes |
| 19:55.00 | rsk | bleh. |
| 19:55.19 | Jemt | :P :) |
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| 19:56.36 | htmlol | I can't imagine the problem. I see lame in the repositories. |
| 19:56.47 | amphi | enouf: heh - that'll larn ye |
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| 19:57.14 | enouf | stat on `which mount` gave me Access: (0754/-rwxr-xr--) and so i was perplexed, i had previously done echo $PATH prior to rebooting with fsck, and all that, and guess what else, after i nicley closed out the DE session, i dropped to TTY and ran 'mount' as root, and it worked correctly, now we know why :-P .. so, even now, after Full fsck and loading all DE crap, my xterm still spits out nothing for "mount" .. because, yep, it's the WRONG |
| 19:57.14 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:57.21 | enouf | amphi: bastages |
| 19:57.33 | pozic | How do I send Alt-2 to irssi when using xterm? |
| 19:57.35 | enouf | amphi: i lost my 170+ day uptime :-p |
| 19:57.43 | Corkster | esc-2 |
| 19:57.48 | htmlol | esc+2 |
| 19:57.52 | htmlol | heh |
| 19:57.55 | amphi | enouf: how tiresome |
| 19:58.08 | htmlol | enouf: hate when that happens. |
| 19:58.08 | enouf | amphi: but on a brighter note, i tweaked some BIOS settings i've bben meaning to tweak , and X settings too ;-) |
| 19:58.22 | amphi | enouf: but I hear that this summer, short uptimes are 'in' |
| 19:58.25 | pozic | How can I bind Alt-2 to do the same as on the console? |
| 19:58.30 | enouf | amphi: that's a LONG time to remember what you wanted to change O_o |
| 19:58.37 | amphi | heheh |
| 19:58.40 | enouf | amphi: hehe ;-) |
| 19:59.47 | amphi | irssi seems to have been up 36 days here, time for a reboot - that linus fellow needs to get on with 2.6.26 |
| 20:00.04 | enouf | xingu: i hope you got all that - so you know wth really happened .. i don't mind the reboot/fsck really - and thanks for your pointers, and liable you too .. so, back to Scavenge my Bookmarks and open up the 40-50 windows i had open when it crashed :-P |
| 20:00.24 | enouf | oh .. /me does rm ~/bin .. lmao :-P |
| 20:00.32 | enouf | stupid crap .. |
| 20:00.38 | Corkster | -rf |
| 20:00.44 | enouf | nah, only files |
| 20:00.49 | amphi | enouf: iw's 'restore session' is its great feature - I yearn for it in midori ;) |
| 20:00.50 | enouf | no dir/ |
| 20:01.08 | enouf | amphi: ya know, i might actually venture real soon |
| 20:01.18 | enouf | amphi: can't think of a better time :-P |
| 20:01.26 | enouf | amphi: hey@! maybe a new kernel too ;-) |
| 20:01.29 | subsume | Will debian allow me to access the 900mhz spectrum more easily? |
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| 20:01.45 | enouf | amphi: this is turning into a party ;-) |
| 20:02.03 | enouf | you mean the phones? |
| 20:02.06 | amphi | enouf: I can; there seems to be some weirdness with webkit (or perhaps curl) - it amuses itself by appending an octothorpe to urls; the result is undefined |
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| 20:02.24 | subsume | Phones or whatever. Could be anything. Let's not be medium specific. |
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| 20:02.57 | enouf | amphi: hrm .. ok, thanks for the heads up - when i do fire it up, i'll find ya ;-) and let you know if mine does it - it's not in debian repos, is it? |
| 20:03.08 | enouf | amphi: git, right? |
| 20:03.38 | enouf | amphi: you must admit though "octothorpe" is a cool word :-p |
| 20:03.56 | amphi | enouf: yeah, both - there is a version of webkit-gtk in testing, but I'm not sure midori will build against it |
| 20:04.20 | enouf | amphi: i can do sid, is that cool? |
| 20:04.30 | amphi | enouf: indeed, a pleasure to type out in full; is '=' a quadrathorpe? |
| 20:04.30 | htmlol | you gotta admit that Lagomorph is a cool word too :D |
| 20:04.37 | enouf | amphi: or, should ijust pull it all from git? |
| 20:04.49 | enouf | htmlol: not bad |
| 20:04.56 | enouf | haha |
| 20:05.16 | amphi | enouf: I do it all from git myself; cloning webkit takes a while, but updates aren't to bad thereafter |
| 20:05.19 | htmlol | it sounds all tough |
| 20:05.23 | htmlol | but it's just bunny rabits :D |
| 20:05.37 | enouf | no idea amphi .. really .. i don't know know thorpes except the ones on rose bushes O_o |
| 20:05.56 | amphi | never a rose without a thorpe... ? |
| 20:06.07 | enouf | haha .. yep, you got it |
| 20:06.18 | enouf | 'every rose has it's thorpe' |
| 20:06.27 | enouf | hides |
| 20:06.32 | amphi | ... but many a thorpe without a rose |
| 20:07.03 | enouf | ok,. let's get to work here now - i'm friggin exhausted though .. |
| 20:07.27 | enouf | hrm .. i know amphi - a nice refreshing afternoon adult beverage! ;-) |
| 20:07.29 | amphi | enouf: git://git.webkit.org/WebKit.git |
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| 20:07.41 | amphi | I am already enjoying |
| 20:07.48 | enouf | amphi: aye .. and thanks |
| 20:08.09 | amphi | enouf: http://software.twotoasts.de/media/midori.git |
| 20:08.39 | enouf | amphi: cool, and thanks |
| 20:08.47 | amphi | enouf: or you can just get a snapshot of webkit-gtk, which is not as vast as the git-clone |
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| 20:09.08 | enouf | well, 1st i need to do my once-over git command usage :-P |
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| 20:09.26 | enouf | maybe i should install it too? O_o |
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| 20:09.37 | deever | hi |
| 20:09.48 | enouf | falls off the chair |
| 20:09.49 | garotosopa | Does somebody use --uid-owner on iptables? It misteriously doesn't match when I call /bin/mount |
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| 20:10.05 | amphi | enouf: the gnu interactive tools will probably only lead to delay and disappointment ;) |
| 20:10.14 | deever | is there a way to debootstrap for another system than the one debootstrap is running on? |
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| 20:10.20 | enouf | amphi: er .. ok .. got it |
| 20:10.20 | Rockj | Hi, anyone using tinydns here? |
| 20:10.42 | Rockj | I get some weird output in my logs, like it can't envuidgid: fatal: unknown account tinydns, even that the account exists. |
| 20:10.51 | amphi | enouf: the cloned tree after a make clean is 925MB here |
| 20:11.10 | Eulex | Deepa|Away, --arch? |
| 20:11.31 | Eulex | sorry |
| 20:11.33 | Eulex | deever, ^^ |
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| 20:12.01 | enouf | amphi: wow! for the browser + webkit? |
| 20:12.05 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how do I enter the actions menu in aptitude? |
| 20:12.24 | enouf | amphi: you're scaring me now .. stop it :-P |
| 20:12.42 | deever | Eulex: no, for a machine of the same arch |
| 20:12.45 | amphi | enouf: just webkit, but it includes all the ports |
| 20:12.56 | enouf | oh ,, i see, erm, ok |
| 20:12.56 | garotosopa | [Jasper], ctrl + T |
| 20:13.03 | enouf | amphi: cool, thanks again |
| 20:13.07 | Eulex | deever, then I guess you want to set SUITE, as detailed in the manpage? |
| 20:13.16 | Eulex | enouf, well, a cloned git repo also contains the full history of the repo |
| 20:13.29 | amphi | enouf: gtk, qt, mac, windows, wx |
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| 20:13.57 | bbs | the most bleeding edge branch is unstable correct? |
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| 20:14.15 | rsk | bbs: no experimental |
| 20:14.20 | enouf | amphi: righto, i gotcha - on a smaller unrelated note - guess what :-( |
| 20:14.38 | enouf | amphi: i lost my entire b0z0 box :-O |
| 20:14.43 | bbs | rsk, would you pastebin your sources.list please |
| 20:14.49 | rsk | sure |
| 20:14.51 | enouf | amphi: my /ig list went p00f! :-P |
| 20:14.53 | bbs | rsk , its been 5 years since i used anything but freebsd |
| 20:14.54 | bbs | thx |
| 20:14.55 | amphi | enouf: libwebkit-1.0.so.1.0.0 is 'only' 15MB here - it's rather larger if you build it with debugging enabled ; |
| 20:14.56 | deever | Eulex: may be i simply try it out!... ;0 |
| 20:15.03 | Eulex | bbs, well, most bleeding edge complete branch, yes. experimental is incomplete but has more bleeding edge stuff for the stuff that is in it |
| 20:15.05 | bbs | rsk , are you running experiemental? |
| 20:15.10 | Eulex | deever, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 20:15.18 | enouf | amphi: makes sense, sure |
| 20:15.23 | amphi | enouf: ouf - nature abhors an empty oubliette |
| 20:15.35 | Eulex | bbs, do yourself a favour: if you don't know how unstable or experimental work, do not attempt to use it. |
| 20:15.46 | enouf | amphi: and to think, i must endure the pain yet once again ... |
| 20:15.46 | rsk | bbs: http://pastebin.ca/1070306 |
| 20:16.04 | bbs | thx |
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| 20:16.08 | deever | Eulex: i have a mini-itx board, but not a cdrom,monitor and keyboard left... |
| 20:16.30 | bbs | rsk , that should give me access to the whole system |
| 20:16.36 | bbs | there is no multiverse or anything like that |
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| 20:16.59 | deever | Eulex: so i would like to install it with debootstrab on another box and then configure it over ssh |
| 20:17.10 | Eulex | !experimental |
| 20:17.11 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 20:19.20 | bbs | thanks for everyone help :) |
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| 20:19.54 | deever | Eulex: was this for me? |
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| 20:20.11 | Eulex | deever, nope |
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| 20:20.37 | micols | my xorg cursor changes to some zigzag style some times, and doesnt get on screenshots, it only happens with fglrx, anyone tried this? |
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| 20:21.20 | pozic | !octothorpe |
| 20:21.21 | dpkg | # |
| 20:22.10 | dutchfish | hi, i have a problem with wrong placed hp-systray applet in gnome, apperently its build against qt3 however in want it to force using qt4, how to do that in under gnome? |
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| 20:22.48 | JordiGH | I know it's a known issue, but does anyone know a workaround for what to do if sound doesn't revive from a suspend or hibernate? |
| 20:22.48 | deever | Eulex: but is it possible? i mean, there is other hardware in ther target box than in the one running debootstrap |
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| 20:22.51 | JordiGH | What should I clobber? |
| 20:23.00 | Eulex | deever, sure, it's possible. |
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| 20:23.53 | Eulex | deever, just make sure to have a kernel installed into the debootstrap that runs on the target box, if the two boxes are the same arch |
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| 20:24.57 | Deepa|Away | Eulex, amd64 would be nice |
| 20:25.09 | dutchfish | nvm, found it: line 63 of /usr/share/hplip/systray.py and it does work |
| 20:25.27 | Eulex | Deepa|Away, sorry, that was a mistab |
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| 20:26.00 | Deepa|Away | amd64 would still be nice |
| 20:26.18 | Eulex | then go fer it |
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| 20:26.43 | bbs | Eulex , so i need to supplement experimental with unstable to get a full repo correct? |
| 20:26.53 | enouf | amphi: quick one shot question; is midori closer to FF , or links2 ? ;-) |
| 20:27.02 | enouf | amphi: maybe more like opera? |
| 20:27.08 | amphi | enouf: well, it's gtk... |
| 20:27.09 | enouf | (which i never used) |
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| 20:27.21 | amphi | enouf: I never used opera |
| 20:27.23 | enouf | hrm, i used epiphany for a little bit |
| 20:27.30 | Lectus | How can I install compiz-fusion in Debian Lenny? |
| 20:27.39 | enouf | hrm, i used epiphany-brwoser that is |
| 20:27.57 | enouf | amphi: which uses gecko |
| 20:28.02 | deever | Eulex: it's a via c7, but there shouldn't be no prob with it if even windous runs on it, should it? |
| 20:28.11 | enouf | amphi: and is/was supposed to be a lightwreight FF |
| 20:28.32 | Eulex | bbs, I'd advice reading the manual. and for a first-time debian user, I definitely recommend installing etch first. |
| 20:28.35 | enouf | amphi: but it was kind of crappy, and annoying - .. i mean, a bit too buggy for me |
| 20:28.39 | JordiGH | Lectus: aptitude install compiz. apt-cache search compiz for all the fun plugins that go along with it. |
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| 20:28.59 | enouf | amphi: thanks = i'l just do, and shutup now ;-) |
| 20:29.09 | Eulex | deever, that's x86, right? should be fine. |
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| 20:29.19 | amphi | enouf: perhaps something similar - midori is not complete, nor is the gtk port of webkit |
| 20:29.23 | Lectus | JordiGH: Thanks... I'll give it a try |
| 20:29.35 | bbs | Eulex , i'm a kernel dev -- i just don't know about debina... |
| 20:29.39 | enouf | amphi: ok, gotcha |
| 20:29.46 | bbs | Eulex , i'm testing something ont he system |
| 20:30.01 | JordiGH | Lectus: If you get anything less than this... You're doing it wrong. ;-) http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ImW0-MgR8I |
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| 20:30.27 | Lectus | JordiGH: I already have nvidia driver and I'm using KDE. Is the compiz package all I need? |
| 20:30.45 | JordiGH | Lectus: Probably. |
| 20:30.49 | Eulex | bbs, ok. well, you should still be familiar with the debian package management tools before running unstable. but if you really want to try: yes, you need to supplement experimental with unstable. experimental is not a complete repository. |
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| 20:31.05 | bbs | Eulex , alright thank you tahts all i needed to know |
| 20:31.07 | bbs | have a good one |
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| 20:31.13 | Lectus | JordiGH: but wouldn't i need compiz-kde instead? |
| 20:31.42 | JordiGH | Lectus: If you want better KDE integration, yeah. |
| 20:32.24 | JordiGH | Speaking of which, is KDE 4 usable yet? |
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| 20:32.58 | JordiGH | I'm having a fun time reading the Linux Hater's Blog on his recent KDE entries. |
| 20:33.13 | rsk | JordiGH: not really |
| 20:33.25 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 20:34.56 | amphi | enouf: http://picpaste.com/ss-2008-07-12-21_32.png is what the thing looks like (or can) |
| 20:35.12 | enouf | amphi: oh sweet |
| 20:35.14 | enouf | looks |
| 20:35.19 | amphi | it seems I lack some icons ;) |
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| 20:35.41 | portablejim | Does debian have unattended-upgrades? If so how I go about configuring /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades (some sort of documentation people might know of)? |
| 20:35.51 | enouf | amphi: mind if i share it around? with some buds? |
| 20:36.06 | amphi | not at all |
| 20:36.10 | enouf | amphi: maybe get some bites? people wanting to help out |
| 20:36.16 | enouf | ok ;-) |
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| 20:38.36 | ktwilight_ | has anyone got flash working in kazehakase? |
| 20:38.40 | ktwilight_ | couldn't get it to work |
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| 20:38.59 | enouf | amphi: what happened to your "transparency" stuffs using compiz? .. or did yuo just disable it for the pic? |
| 20:39.15 | enouf | ktwilight_: ! aha! |
| 20:39.23 | enouf | another new-ish browser |
| 20:39.27 | ktwilight_ | don't...you...comment. |
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| 20:39.41 | ktwilight_ | yah, it's really fast and light |
| 20:39.46 | ktwilight_ | but flash doesn't work, so... |
| 20:39.48 | amphi | enouf: windows are not translucent by default |
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| 20:39.51 | enouf | Karlprof: gtfo, you're not using debain |
| 20:39.54 | enouf | debian even |
| 20:39.56 | ktwilight_ | i haven't even try java yet :/ |
| 20:40.08 | enouf | crap - sorry Karlprof .. i meant ktwilight_ |
| 20:40.21 | ktwilight_ | ? |
| 20:40.27 | ktwilight_ | i am using debian... |
| 20:40.30 | enouf | kazehakase is not in debian eithe |
| 20:40.36 | ktwilight_ | yea it is |
| 20:40.45 | enouf | is it? since when? |
| 20:40.47 | JordiGH | !info kazehakase |
| 20:40.48 | amphi | enouf: it is |
| 20:40.51 | enouf | sorry |
| 20:40.53 | enouf | my bad |
| 20:40.58 | ktwilight_ | dumbass :P |
| 20:41.01 | amphi | enouf: since etch at least |
| 20:41.03 | enouf | yep ;-) |
| 20:41.06 | ktwilight_ | even has webkit ;) |
| 20:41.13 | dpkg | kazehakase: (GTK+-base web browser that allows pluggable rendering engines), section web, is optional. Version: 0.5.4-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 658 kB, Installed size: 1720 kB |
| 20:41.23 | enouf | amphi: wow ... ok, i guess hv3 and others arent |
| 20:41.33 | amphi | ktwilight_: that was very geb0rkt last time I tried it |
| 20:41.36 | enouf | amphi: another one to try ;-) |
| 20:41.42 | ktwilight_ | amphi, in what way? |
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| 20:41.59 | enouf | ktwilight_: whcih release are you using? sid/lenny/etch ? |
| 20:42.02 | amphi | segfaulted constantly |
| 20:42.02 | ktwilight_ | lenny |
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| 20:42.06 | enouf | ok |
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| 20:42.10 | amphi | it was some time back though |
| 20:42.23 | enouf | amphi: and you're mainly on? |
| 20:42.27 | ktwilight_ | kazehakase 0.5.4-2 |
| 20:42.44 | ktwilight_ | amphi, ah, well, it's doing fine now. it's worth a look |
| 20:42.46 | enouf | ktwilight_: yeah, almost or same as sid's version |
| 20:42.52 | ktwilight_ | yup |
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| 20:43.08 | enouf | checks out the depends |
| 20:43.11 | amphi | enouf: iw3, I confess, largely for the 'restore session' thing - I have a preposterous number of tabs open |
| 20:43.14 | ktwilight_ | problem is, i've copied the library over from mozilla, and it doesn't even detect it i guess? |
| 20:43.31 | amphi | ktwilight_: thanks, I'll give it another go |
| 20:43.34 | ktwilight_ | amphi, restore work, but it doesn't handle multiple tab lines :/ |
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| 20:44.06 | ktwilight_ | tab resizing isn't automated either. overall, not as polished. |
| 20:44.10 | ktwilight_ | but still good. |
| 20:44.28 | enouf | amphi: hehe. cool - give me a number. so i can tally it in the record books ;-) |
| 20:44.43 | ktwilight_ | dependencies are quite bad, especially on ruby :/ |
| 20:44.54 | enouf | ktwilight_: how many tabs can you fit on one line? |
| 20:45.03 | enouf | ktwilight_: do they autoshrink as you add more? |
| 20:45.06 | ktwilight_ | i guess it's ok...i dunno. |
| 20:45.16 | enouf | ruby? wtf? |
| 20:45.17 | ktwilight_ | nope it doesn't autoresize, that's the main problem |
| 20:45.25 | enouf | smacks ktwilight_ with an octothorpe |
| 20:45.34 | ktwilight_ | depending on the width of your tabs, that's how much you can fit |
| 20:45.43 | ktwilight_ | yea, ruby heh but hey, it's fast(er) |
| 20:46.00 | enouf | ktwilight_: are you using gecko or webkit? |
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| 20:46.06 | ktwilight_ | gecko |
| 20:46.10 | enouf | grah |
| 20:46.16 | enouf | tried webkit yet with it? |
| 20:46.27 | ktwilight_ | nope, i want my flash first ;P |
| 20:46.33 | enouf | GAH! |
| 20:46.46 | enouf | !flashpoopcrapshitsmite ktwilight_ |
| 20:46.52 | enouf | :-p |
| 20:47.01 | ktwilight_ | haha |
| 20:47.10 | ktwilight_ | but tbh, it probably loads about the same time as a clean FF |
| 20:47.16 | fotang | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/sparc/iso-dvd/ lists 3 DVD iso's. are all 3 DVD's necessary? |
| 20:47.49 | enouf | !netinstall |
| 20:47.49 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 20:47.58 | ktwilight_ | wasn't there a browser that forked FF but solved all its memory leakages? |
| 20:48.05 | enouf | fotang: netinstall is all you need |
| 20:48.27 | fotang | enouf: i dont have internet access |
| 20:48.31 | enouf | fotang: if you feel better with 1 CD or DVD, sure |
| 20:48.35 | fotang | i fthat's what netinstall means |
| 20:48.36 | amphi | enouf: ~100 I would say |
| 20:48.40 | enouf | fotang: well, 1 DVD should be fine |
| 20:48.46 | amphi | in three windows |
| 20:48.50 | enouf | amphi: ok ;-) |
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| 20:49.19 | amphi | none bookmarked ;) so I _need_ restore session |
| 20:49.25 | enouf | amphi: why can't i notice that in your pic? Does that window only have 2-3 tabs open? |
| 20:49.34 | enouf | amphi: haha |
| 20:49.44 | amphi | enouf: that's in iw - the ss was midori |
| 20:50.03 | enouf | amphi: creating and organizing is such a PITA - but it's fairly easy with links2 - i got it down nice now |
| 20:50.11 | enouf | ahh |
| 20:50.31 | enouf | amphi: that thing must be eating up ~1GB RAM? |
| 20:50.32 | fotang | actually iwan tto test debian on the Sun Fire V890; cant fin danyone who's done it |
| 20:50.47 | fotang | and i never used debian... |
| 20:50.49 | enouf | amphi: (for those 100tabs + windows) |
| 20:51.21 | enouf | fotang: hm no idea - "/msg dpkg ig" |
| 20:51.27 | enouf | fotang: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 20:51.31 | amphi | enouf: 529MB Res. ATM |
| 20:51.37 | amphi | light ;) |
| 20:51.45 | enouf | maybe there's a debian-sparc/sun channel"? |
| 20:51.56 | enouf | amphi: haha - not too shabby |
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| 20:52.26 | amphi | iw3 seems much snappier than its predecessor |
| 20:52.54 | enouf | amphi: i see - i jst can't support the bloat :-P .. oh well ;-) |
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| 20:53.22 | enouf | amphi: i'm really trying hard to ween myself, reverse-engineering style ;-) |
| 20:53.28 | BassFool | hello all I am having problems with my install. It broken and I can't remove something called gthumb |
| 20:53.46 | BassFool | my sources list points to testing right now |
| 20:54.04 | amphi | enouf: heheh |
| 20:54.13 | Lectus | JordiGH: Hey! I got compiz-fusion working! :) |
| 20:54.27 | streuner | !congratulate Lectus |
| 20:54.28 | dpkg | Yay Lectus, you did it! |
| 20:54.49 | BassFool | any Ideas on how I can fix my install or get back to a good version at this point. |
| 20:54.49 | amphi | enouf: I spent a considerable time refusing to emerge from my fbconsole |
| 20:54.50 | Lectus | JordiGH: How can I get it working with emerald themes? Now it's working with KDE theme. |
| 20:54.54 | enouf | amphi: i've just had it with gecko + XUL/XSL and such .. they way it's directories and config files are all over the place, it's just too big now |
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| 20:55.19 | enouf | amphi: haha .. but you were already on iw2 .. so :-P |
| 20:55.30 | enouf | amphi: where else to go, but up O_o |
| 20:55.45 | amphi | enouf: as it is, my consoles are trashed by svgalib monkeyings, so I am confined to X until .26 ;) |
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| 20:56.13 | JordiGH | Lectus: Oddly, I think Emerald isn't packaged. |
| 20:56.16 | marast | How do you quit a channel in bitchx? |
| 20:56.23 | enouf | ouch .. /me no mess with svgalib + directfb .. otherwise OUCH ;-) |
| 20:56.27 | streuner | marast: tric question? |
| 20:56.41 | streuner | marast: /part #foo |
| 20:56.54 | enouf | amphi: any half-advanced ape can keep the monkeys down ;-) |
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| 20:57.09 | marast | struner: thanks |
| 20:57.14 | marast | Not trick question |
| 20:57.14 | streuner | np |
| 20:57.15 | marast | :) |
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| 20:57.36 | marast | Lovelly :) |
| 20:57.58 | enouf | JordiGH: what's emerald? |
| 20:58.02 | amphi | marast: now install irssi ;) |
| 20:58.18 | JordiGH | enouf: It's a Compiz window decorator. |
| 20:58.31 | amphi | JordiGH: not in testing, in any case |
| 20:58.32 | enouf | ok - thanks JordiGH |
| 20:58.52 | ktwilight_ | aha! anyone tried swiftfox? |
| 20:58.55 | JordiGH | amphi: Nor in sid. :-/ |
| 20:58.57 | enouf | doesn't know what a window decorator is - and doesn't want to know any more |
| 20:59.27 | JordiGH | enouf: Just the widget style for the things around windows. The close/min/restore buttons, resize the window, etc. |
| 20:59.32 | amphi | enouf: all other WMs do decorations themselves; compiz likes to delegate |
| 21:00.05 | enouf | JordiGH: i gotcha, i was being a bit sarcastic, and if i didn't like you; i'd follow up with; /me doesn't know what a widget is :-P |
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| 21:00.35 | enouf | i'm never looking at borders/decor/etc .. so |
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| 21:00.43 | Corkster | ktwilight_ swiftfos is fine |
| 21:00.48 | Corkster | x |
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| 21:00.57 | ktwilight_ | is it actually better than firefox? |
| 21:01.05 | Corkster | i wouldnt go that far |
| 21:01.13 | JordiGH | almost likes Conkeror. |
| 21:01.17 | ktwilight_ | haha |
| 21:01.21 | ktwilight_ | it's that bad? |
| 21:01.29 | JordiGH | Except that Conkeror forces me to use arrow keys to copy/paste.. |
| 21:01.32 | JordiGH | Or wipe/yank. |
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| 21:02.38 | enouf | JordiGH: do you mean the kde Konq?? |
| 21:02.49 | JordiGH | No, conkeror! |
| 21:02.52 | JordiGH | !info conkeror |
| 21:02.53 | enouf | ok then |
| 21:02.55 | dpkg | conkeror: (keyboard focused web browser with Emacs look and feel), section web, is extra. Version: 0.9~git080522-2 (sid), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 1004 kB |
| 21:02.56 | enouf | gah |
| 21:03.00 | enouf | omg |
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| 21:04.09 | JordiGH | It's actually a really good browser for Emacs users. It works almost exactly like Emacs. Making me use arrow keys to highlight is a deal breaker for me, though. |
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| 21:04.18 | enouf | amphi: picpaste bites; Original resolution: 1024 x 768 (shown: 640 x 480) |
| 21:04.42 | DawnLight | what's the correct syntax, 'aptitude install foo+M/etch-backports' or 'aptitude install foo/etch-backports+M' ? |
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| 21:05.24 | n0lif3R | Hello |
| 21:05.39 | n0lif3R | Do i use the amd64 image on 64bit intel machines? |
| 21:05.46 | infinitycircuit | n0lif3R, you can |
| 21:05.49 | enouf | DawnLight: i don't know, but aptitude-doc-<CC> might help |
| 21:05.51 | infinitycircuit | if you should is a matter of debate |
| 21:05.57 | DawnLight | enouf: i'm reading it |
| 21:05.57 | infinitycircuit | i do |
| 21:06.01 | DawnLight | doesn't say |
| 21:06.01 | enouf | DawnLight: ok |
| 21:06.09 | enouf | well, extrapolate ;-) |
| 21:06.16 | n0lif3R | infinitycircuit: I have a 4+Gig machine ( Intel Quad Core ) .. what would you use on it? |
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| 21:06.32 | infinitycircuit | n0lif3R, i have a similar setup i use 64 bit |
| 21:06.52 | enouf | n0lif3R: only depends it you wabnt some pain to use window weenie style 32bit only apps |
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| 21:07.02 | n0lif3R | weenie? |
| 21:07.10 | enouf | n0lif3R: just know, it's not ia64 <-- is itanium only |
| 21:07.17 | n0lif3R | Alright enouf |
| 21:07.27 | amphi | enouf: click on it or whatever you do, for the full res. |
| 21:07.35 | DawnLight | how do i grep a line that contains 'foo' or 'bar' ? |
| 21:07.39 | enouf | amphi: i did :-( |
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| 21:08.01 | n0lif3R | Currently that machine is running openSuSE 11.0 64bit .. i feel opensuse is not stable enouth so i'd like to switch to Debian.. you think it's going to be a problem to use a 64bit debian as a workstation? |
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| 21:09.37 | enouf | amphi: fucken piece of shit is not clicking through, and when iright click > view image, which ALWAYS works i get the stupid thumbnail |
| 21:09.46 | enouf | amphi: i'll get it |
| 21:10.26 | enouf | http://picpaste.com/ss-2008-07-12-21_32.png <-- sucks ass |
| 21:11.03 | amphi | enouf: http://picpaste.com/pics/ss-2008-07-12-21_32.1215897046.png |
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| 21:11.38 | enouf | amphi: wow - amazing .. :-) |
| 21:11.44 | enouf | thanks - much better ;-) |
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| 21:12.32 | DawnLight | can anyone please tell me how to grep a line that contains 'foo' or 'bar' ? |
| 21:12.34 | irx10 | i have an amd64 laptop, is there big software/driver limitations by using debian amd64bit version, opposed to i386 ? |
| 21:12.45 | DawnLight | i'm not finding it in the man page |
| 21:12.59 | micky | hello, i'm looking for a way to store the configuration of my bind9 / named server in mysql on my debian etch system, could someone point me to a howto or a link to some docs related to this ? |
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| 21:13.23 | amphi | irx10: you might have problems with proprietary stuff |
| 21:15.25 | irx10 | amphi: are the same debian apps all avail regardless of CPU base versions ? like i386 and amd64 |
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| 21:16.12 | enouf | amphi: weird. now that url is br0ked |
| 21:16.21 | enouf | amphi: no biggy, i saw it enough |
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| 21:16.58 | JordiGH | irx10: Almost all. Some apps can't be ported to some architectures, usually because the source code contains non-portable asm; sometimes for non-free apps because there is no source code at all. |
| 21:17.13 | JordiGH | irx10: I've seen a lot of 64bit segfaults on some other apps too, though. |
| 21:18.02 | irx10 | am i going to limit my amd64 architure by settling on i386, or is there not much of a difference ? |
| 21:18.33 | JordiGH | If you don't need more than 4 gigs of RAM and you don't do number-crunching, there seems to be little motivation to use 64bit Debian at this time. |
| 21:18.41 | dansushi | hello, people. I just installed debian and for some reason, the root partition is mounted as readonly. I was able to tell this because i can't seem to create any files. How can i fix this? |
| 21:18.51 | Corkster | x64 OS is highly over rated |
| 21:19.20 | irx10 | this laptop came with vista32bit, slow as hell |
| 21:19.32 | Corkster | i386 and good pae kernel is fine |
| 21:19.38 | irx10 | wasn't sure if the 32bit factored in |
| 21:19.46 | Corkster | moo: os: Microsoft® Windows Vista⢠Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.0.6001) |
| 21:20.05 | Corkster | i see little to no differance in fact i think i have lost performance with vist 64 |
| 21:20.32 | JordiGH | Nah, if anything, 64bits might make things very slightly slower. |
| 21:20.46 | Eulex | well, depends on the code |
| 21:20.59 | Eulex | code that does a lot of 64-bit integer arithmetic will be faster |
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| 21:21.09 | irx10 | vista's mostly bloat btw, not a good comparison or to benchmark by |
| 21:21.57 | Corkster | vista x64 is a ram hog also |
| 21:22.12 | Corkster | but thats not surprising |
| 21:22.23 | irx10 | right |
| 21:22.29 | Corkster | moo: ram: 1882/4093.6MB (45.98%) [|||||-----] |
| 21:22.41 | Corkster | 1882 with irc only open :) |
| 21:22.57 | jelly-home | who's moo? |
| 21:23.05 | Corkster | silly script |
| 21:23.16 | irx10 | lol i was wondering that too |
| 21:23.22 | jelly-home | why are you talking to it? |
| 21:23.35 | Corkster | thats how it displays sysinfo |
| 21:23.51 | jelly-home | it talks to itself? |
| 21:23.56 | Corkster | i guess :) |
| 21:24.09 | Corkster | im playing with vista x64 cause im bored |
| 21:24.20 | jelly-home | !moo |
| 21:24.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 21:25.04 | quagga | i'm afraid i can't do dpkg |
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| 21:26.24 | bbs | can i apt-get install w/o dependencies? |
| 21:26.24 | micky | hello, i'm looking for a way to store the configuration of my bind9 / named server in mysql on my debian etch system, could someone point me to a howto or a link to some docs related to this ? |
| 21:26.37 | bbs | i just want hdapsd not the fscking kernels |
| 21:26.39 | bbs | jesus |
| 21:27.27 | amphi | hdapsd needs a kernel patche to do the head-parking trick (AFAIK) |
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| 21:27.41 | bbs | amphi , i have my own patchset with it in it |
| 21:27.44 | bbs | my own custom kernel |
| 21:27.56 | amphi | ah |
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| 21:28.34 | amphi | hdapsd doesn't depend on any kernel package here, according to apt-cache |
| 21:28.35 | deever | i can't access a sata disk connected over a sata2usb adaptor... |
| 21:28.36 | jelly-home | hdaps only Recommends: tp-smapi-modules here, no Depends |
| 21:28.50 | bbs | amphi , its trying to install 2.6.25-amd |
| 21:28.55 | bbs | wtf |
| 21:28.56 | deever | ...the device node is being created, however... |
| 21:28.58 | jelly-home | blames automatic Recommends |
| 21:29.03 | deever | ...what to do? |
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| 21:29.53 | chuckkh | any ideas why the latest testing version of iceweasel starts by default in offline mode? |
| 21:30.11 | OBcecado | i have the same problem when i'm using wireless connection |
| 21:30.11 | chuckkh | is there a startup flag to make it start online? |
| 21:30.23 | OBcecado | doesn't happen with cabled connection |
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| 21:30.34 | AbsintheSyringe | chuckkh, network manager is the guilty one |
| 21:30.42 | amphi | chuckkh: it doesn't do that here |
| 21:31.50 | JordiGH | Let me ask again: my sound won't revive from suspend or hibernate. Is there something I can clobber to get my sound back? :-( |
| 21:31.50 | chuckkh | interesting |
| 21:31.59 | jelly-home | deever: "can't access" is a bit imprecise. is usb-storage module loaded? does udev create a new /dev/sd? device? what does appear in dmesg when you connect and poweron the adaptor? |
| 21:32.05 | chuckkh | network manager... |
| 21:32.13 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, high definition intel? |
| 21:32.34 | chuckkh | obviously I only notice it because it wasn't like that 24 hrs ago before I updated |
| 21:32.44 | deever | jelly-home: cfdisk writes "read error" |
| 21:33.11 | JordiGH | AbsintheSyringe: Intel, yes, but I don't know about high definition. |
| 21:33.17 | AbsintheSyringe | chuckkh, trust me it's due to network manger, I think it's already a reported bug too |
| 21:33.47 | amphi | JordiGH: removing and re-modprobing the module doesn't fix it? |
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| 21:34.14 | JordiGH | amphi: Which module? I have about five modules that look like they could be related to sound. :- |
| 21:34.16 | JordiGH | :-/ |
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| 21:34.49 | jelly-home | deever: please answer the questions. use a pastebin if there are more than three lines |
| 21:35.07 | chuckkh | AbsintheSyringe: ah, if it's been reported then no worries, I can deal with it for now |
| 21:35.28 | AbsintheSyringe | chuckkh, ;) |
| 21:36.25 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, if you don't wanna deal with modules, just make sure you stop, not pause but stop/kill all the sound processes before going sleep/hibernate |
| 21:36.27 | amphi | JordiGH: snd_hda_intel (if that's what you're using) |
| 21:36.43 | th1 | hey, if I've edited a /etc config file but I want to revert it to the Debian default then how can I do that? |
| 21:37.06 | arcsky | can anyone be nice and help me with qumu emulator ? it doesnt work for me :/ |
| 21:37.11 | jelly-home | th1: restore from backups; or purge and reinstall the relevant package |
| 21:37.27 | th1 | jelly-home, there's no dpkg command to just revert a single config file? |
| 21:37.29 | amphi | !tell arcsky -about doesn't work |
| 21:37.41 | arcsky | hehe |
| 21:38.17 | JordiGH | AbsintheSyringe: Hm, does Gnome have a sound daemon nowadays? |
| 21:38.29 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, ah KDE user right? |
| 21:38.50 | JordiGH | AbsintheSyringe: No, Gnome user. Wasn't there an esd somewhere? I don't see it in my ps. |
| 21:38.52 | jelly-home | th1: no, dpkg does not keep backups itself |
| 21:38.53 | OBcecado | esd ? |
| 21:39.39 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, um alsamixer |
| 21:39.48 | AbsintheSyringe | alsa |
| 21:39.51 | Bushmills | esound .. but, using ALSA, what do you need a sound daemon for? |
| 21:40.13 | JordiGH | I don't need it. I just need to know what should I kill |
| 21:40.19 | OBcecado | use multiple apps with sound support |
| 21:40.23 | Bushmills | mixing multiple sources ALSA also does. |
| 21:40.24 | JordiGH | Hm, Linux says the module is in use. Can I figure out who? |
| 21:40.31 | deever | jelly-home: forget it...the adapter always registers a device, when i plug it to my computer, even if there is no disk on it... |
| 21:40.41 | JordiGH | Who is using it? |
| 21:40.42 | Bushmills | esd may be useful for remote sound, over the net. |
| 21:40.44 | deever | ...it's probably broken... ;) |
| 21:41.01 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, don't mind me asking, but what's your alsa version, and what you on? etch, lenny, sid what? |
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| 21:41.54 | JordiGH | AbsintheSyringe: I'm mostly on lenny, with a few noncritical sid packages. How do I find out my alsa version? alsamixer is at 1.0.16 |
| 21:42.24 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, do this, 1. apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant alsa-source 2. dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source 3. module-assistant a-i alsa-source |
| 21:42.48 | AbsintheSyringe | if after that you have problems with your sound then ... that's how I solved it, and make sure you close all the sound apps before going to sleep/hibernate |
| 21:42.50 | JordiGH | AbsintheSyringe: Why? |
| 21:43.08 | JordiGH | You're saying there's a packaging bug with alsa? |
| 21:43.19 | AbsintheSyringe | JordiGH, um to build alsa yourself in few easy steps? |
| 21:43.26 | JordiGH | Why would I want to build alsa? |
| 21:43.40 | AbsintheSyringe | no I think it's that you don't close all the sound apps. before going hibernate, but just making sure ... |
| 21:43.42 | jelly-home | JordiGH: /proc/asound/version |
| 21:44.02 | AbsintheSyringe | then don't |
| 21:44.06 | JordiGH | 1.0.15 |
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| 21:47.02 | JordiGH | Blegh. |
| 21:47.09 | JordiGH | I couldn't figure out who was using alsa. |
| 21:47.19 | JordiGH | So I clobbered X, and then clobbered snd_hda_intel. |
| 21:47.25 | JordiGH | Still faster than a reboot. |
| 21:49.11 | jelly-home | JordiGH: next time, fuser /dev/snd/* |
| 21:49.29 | enouf | fuser -m ? |
| 21:49.49 | enouf | lsof | egrep 'arts|esd' ? |
| 21:50.07 | DawnLight | can anyone explain to me why 'aptitude -F %t search ~nwireless-tools' prints only etch-backports and not stable,etch-backports or something similar? |
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| 21:50.46 | enouf | DawnLight: on Etch? |
| 21:50.53 | DawnLight | enouf: yes, enouf |
| 21:51.06 | enouf | well, have you also used apt-get ? |
| 21:51.07 | DawnLight | i don't get it. |
| 21:51.12 | DawnLight | no, i haven't |
| 21:51.17 | enouf | never? |
| 21:51.33 | DawnLight | ahm... why? |
| 21:51.33 | DawnLight | i don't remember |
| 21:51.35 | enouf | !why not aptitude |
| 21:51.35 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 21:51.54 | enouf | not that it's the issue |
| 21:51.56 | enouf | at hand |
| 21:52.00 | DawnLight | right |
| 21:52.02 | enouf | just a thought |
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| 21:52.12 | DawnLight | can apt-get make these searches? |
| 21:52.20 | DawnLight | with custom format? |
| 21:52.25 | enouf | check BTS i guess too - but i'm not good with aptitude syntax |
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| 21:53.15 | enouf | likely not .. well not easily anyway .. tell me exactly what tiy want tio see outputted |
| 21:53.31 | enouf | s/tiy/you |
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| 21:55.09 | DawnLight | i want an output of all installed packages in the format that aptitude can take as an install list, such as 'foo/etch bar/etch-backports foobar/etch-backports+M' |
| 21:55.36 | DawnLight | i'm making a script to do this while i've encountered this anomaly |
| 21:55.47 | DawnLight | this is for cloning installations |
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| 21:57.21 | jaggz1 | I have a python script |
| 21:57.38 | DawnLight | jaggz1: you have what? |
| 21:57.54 | DawnLight | what does it do? |
| 21:57.58 | DawnLight | can i see it? |
| 21:58.04 | infinitycircuit | DawnLight: use apt-show-versions |
| 21:58.31 | jaggz1 | bdh.voyager.com/pkgtimes # Perhaps you could modify this? |
| 21:58.39 | infinitycircuit | aptitude install $(apt-show-versions | awk '{print $1}' | xargs) |
| 21:59.45 | jaggz1 | I pipe pkgtimes | sort -n to get a list of packages by install-time |
| 22:00.22 | kanzure | Hm. tcpdump is dropping the JXTA portion of the precious packets. I need that information. How can I tell it to record that above all else ? Screw the header data, drop that. Just need the information. |
| 22:01.47 | jaggz1 | what does it do with the JXTA portion of the low-life scum packets? |
| 22:01.56 | arcsky | why doesnt debian-40r3-mips-CD-1.iso boot in my qemu emulator ? |
| 22:02.13 | xingu | kanzure: tcpdump(8): -s |
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| 22:04.07 | kanzure | xingu - thanks |
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| 22:04.24 | jaggz1 | is UNIX_TIMESTAMP() really too much to ask for |
| 22:05.02 | xingu | kanzure: nb, "skip first n bits" of a serialised bitstream is a losing strategy - the problem is entirely defined by how _quickly_ you can return to resampling, and what's first on the wire is first on the wire whether you're listening (or journalling) or not |
| 22:05.40 | kanzure | xingu: What does a return to resampling consist of? |
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| 22:05.56 | kanzure | And why can't it just be streamed into RAM? No reason to be writing to hdd for the brief few seconds I'm recording. |
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| 22:06.58 | xingu | kanzure: resampling as in passing the _next_ frame's header and llp->ulp headers through progressively more invasive/ expensive filters. |
| 22:07.48 | xingu | kanzure: people make hardware which can keep up at high packet rates (with complex filters applied); tcpdump and commodity NIC's aren't it. |
| 22:08.14 | xingu | kanzure: some of those vendors have in fact been driving tcpdump's recent development |
| 22:08.23 | kanzure | xingu: I'm just trying to retrieve the rmtp:// information from this stupid flash video player from the neuralinterfaces2008 conference. There's 40 videos, and like hell I'm going to watch them in a flash player. |
| 22:08.54 | xingu | kanzure: you'll probably get by just setting snaplen to max framelen. |
| 22:09.09 | kanzure | hm, I'll look into that |
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| 22:13.15 | arcsky | for install Debian-Mips from a windows pc, do i need to use qemu-0.9.0-windows.zip or qemu-0.9.0-mips.zip ? |
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| 22:16.16 | kingsley | If anyone here happens to know how to fix the EXT3 superblock in the future bug, I'd appreciate your advice so I needn't re-invent the wheel. |
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| 22:19.16 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: that's sort of vague |
| 22:19.27 | infinitycircuit | it should be automatically fixed when fsck runs on boot |
| 22:19.28 | Guerin | kingsley: if anyone knows, it'll be documented in the BTS |
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| 22:19.58 | infinitycircuit | if the problem is that sudo no longer works, boot into single user and remove /var/run/sudo/* |
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| 22:23.01 | soulchild | Hi all, when i compile a 2.6.25 kernel, i get "unable to start initial console" at boot, any ideas ? |
| 22:23.55 | poornpig | soulchild: if i remember it correctly this happens when there is no /dev/console |
| 22:24.10 | soulchild | poornpig: so what can be missing ? |
| 22:24.49 | poornpig | soulchild: do you use an initrd? |
| 22:25.07 | soulchild | poornpig: no i want a kernel only |
| 22:25.50 | soulchild | poornpig: but i tried to boot with an inital ram disk and it worked |
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| 22:26.09 | soulchild | so what hast do be changed so that i dont need the initrd |
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| 22:27.07 | poornpig | soulchild: if /dev/concole is created by initrd you should manually create one. |
| 22:27.35 | poornpig | mknod /dev/console c 0 0 ? |
| 22:27.54 | soulchild | fstab ? |
| 22:28.16 | poornpig | soulchild: its a device in /dev/ |
| 22:29.18 | soulchild | so how do i vreated it at boottup ? writing a script ? |
| 22:29.43 | soulchild | + |
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| 22:31.08 | poornpig | soulchild: just use the command mknod to create the device |
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| 22:38.25 | jaggz1 | values (1,\n,0) What's wrong with \n? These docs seem to say it's proper but pg is disliking me |
| 22:38.39 | jaggz1 | oops |
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| 22:42.18 | nootoyahora | has someone programed the paralleo port under windows for some custom |
| 22:42.29 | nootoyahora | has someone programed the paralleo port under windows for some custom-made hardware? |
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| 22:47.29 | kervan | Hi. I'm using update manager on Gnome. I have problem about this manager. Update manager allways shows me the same 2 package for updating. I'm updating them and after 2 minutes I see the same packages. How can I see this problem? Thanks all. |
| 22:47.35 | KurtKraut | I'd like to do an experiment with Debian Etch (the previous version). Since it is not the current version, I'm unable to find the ISO to download. Can anyone suggest me a place where I can find it ? |
| 22:48.02 | DawnLight | KurtKraut: etch is the current version |
| 22:48.15 | KurtKraut | DawnLight, sorry... I mean the 3.1 version |
| 22:48.35 | DawnLight | !sarge |
| 22:48.35 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
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| 22:49.24 | Jemt | Suddently I'm having troubles with Java in Iceweasel. I have 'sun-java5-jre' installed and I have created a symbolic link to from the Iceweasel plugins folder to the java plugin lib (ln -s /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so). Any suggesion? What am I missing ? |
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| 22:49.36 | KurtKraut | DawnLight, ok, Sarge... do you have a clue where I can download sarge ? |
| 22:49.57 | Jemt | KurtKraut: debian.org |
| 22:50.11 | KurtKraut | Jemt, it displays only the 4.0 version |
| 22:50.38 | Jemt | Hm, I think "old-stable" is there somewhere too |
| 22:51.12 | KurtKraut | Jemt, all mirrors rsynced only seems to have the current version |
| 22:51.54 | Jemt | KurtKraut: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive - found using Google in about 20 seconds |
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| 22:53.12 | KurtKraut | Jemt, I've been using Google to find it for much more than 20 seconds. Please, do not say how quick you found a result in Google like someone is too stupid or lazy to find it because the Google results pages are not the same for everybody |
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| 22:53.57 | Jemt | KurtKraut: Google: Download Debian Old Stable <= You don't see a useful page when searching for that ? |
| 22:55.15 | KurtKraut | Jemt, I tried download 'debian sarge' and didn't get this result. Guess what... we are different people, so we have different brains, so we picked up different keywords to search for the same thing. You were luckier than I was. So as I said, please, don't say 'I found in 20 seconds' like you said. |
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| 22:55.35 | Guerin | KurtKraut: don't be defensive just because your google-fu is weak. |
| 22:55.38 | KurtKraut | Jemt, Saying such a thing sounds unfairly rough. |
| 22:56.06 | Guerin | KurtKraut: arrogance will prevent a neophyte transcending his status, while humility allows one to emulate the masters |
| 22:56.10 | KurtKraut | Guerin, I'm not being defensive. I'm alerting him that the way he said may be offensive in an unecessary way |
| 22:56.12 | nootoyahora | has someone programed the parallel port under windows for some custom-made hardware? |
| 22:56.12 | Guerin | grasshopper |
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| 22:57.33 | leumaS | Is below 20Mb/sec normal for Firewire in Debian GNU/Linux (kernel 2.6.25-i686-bigmem). I have searched on Google and people discuss diffrent problems but I don't see any speed figures anywhere. |
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| 23:02.42 | Rowan | Hello! |
| 23:03.02 | infinitycircuit | Rowan: hi |
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| 23:03.35 | Rowan | i had a quick question, on the debian site there are 21 .iso's to install debian, i understand only disk 1 is required, but are the packages in the other 20 disks in the repositories? |
| 23:03.58 | infinitycircuit | Rowan: yes |
| 23:04.02 | lynucs | Rowan: yepp |
| 23:04.08 | Rowan | ah, simple enough |
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| 23:05.18 | Rowan | thanks mates |
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| 23:10.47 | Akuw | is there any application to hear midi files? |
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| 23:11.04 | babilen | Rowan: if you have a sufficiently fast downlink available when installing i would recommend downloading the "netinstall" images... |
| 23:11.58 | Rowan | haha. i'm on a 1mbit but my ISP is throttling the town at like 128k. so yeah, speed and bandwidth is an issue |
| 23:12.02 | babilen | Akuw: pmidi, timidity, playmidi ... |
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| 23:12.52 | Akuw | vlc don't play midis? |
| 23:14.37 | nvz | hmm, this linuxappfinder.com is pretty cool. Even the short time I've been using this vista laptop, I've been starting to rely on certain things like windows media encoder, movie maker, activesync.. etc for my PocketPC.. but this site has an "alternatives" section which lists all sorts of Win/Mac programs and their linux alternatives. |
| 23:15.08 | babilen | Akuw: no it does not. it lacks a midi synthetiser |
| 23:15.22 | Akuw | ok |
| 23:15.29 | Nazz | i'm getting all kind of wierd errors when i try to add a new keyboard layout using the settings manager |
| 23:15.33 | Nazz | should i edit the x config manually |
| 23:15.41 | babilen | Akuw: at least to my knowledge... but i would try regardless of that... |
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| 23:16.23 | Akuw | i try |
| 23:17.22 | babilen | Nazz: you can play around with setxkbmap until you have found a layout to your liking.. but what kind of "weird errors" to you get when you use (which?) settings manager? |
| 23:17.52 | Nazz | System -> Settings -> Keyboard (or something like that anyway my debian install is not in english" |
| 23:18.19 | babilen | Nazz: i assume that means you use Gnome? |
| 23:18.24 | Nazz | yep |
| 23:18.39 | Nazz | when i add or remove a layout i get a dialog with "Error activating XKB configuration" |
| 23:18.50 | Nazz | and a list of stuff i could do to report the bug |
| 23:18.51 | babilen | Nazz: what keyboard layout do you need and what are the "weird errors" ? |
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| 23:19.26 | Nazz | i'm adding a bulgarian keyboard layout with the phonetic variant |
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| 23:19.44 | Nazz | everytime i get this dialog |
| 23:20.14 | Nazz | _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us,bg", "bds", "grp:alt_shift_toggle" |
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| 23:20.21 | Nazz | it shouldn't be "bds" but "phonetic" |
| 23:20.39 | Akuw | i just installed kmid |
| 23:20.52 | Akuw | but i can't hear nothing |
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| 23:21.09 | nootoyahora | has someone programed the parallel port under windows for some custom-made hardware? |
| 23:21.35 | Nazz | infact whatever i click in the keyboard settings window i get this dialog |
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| 23:24.26 | babilen | Nazz: could you paste your xorg.conf somewhere and do you get the correct layout if you set it there? |
| 23:24.45 | babilen | Nazz: http://refb.net/paste |
| 23:24.57 | Nazz | yep i just did it |
| 23:24.58 | babilen | Nazz: s/refb/rafb/ |
| 23:25.07 | Nazz | editing the xorg file helped |
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| 23:25.18 | Nazz | do you need it anyway? |
| 23:25.32 | Akuw | i just installed kmid |
| 23:25.34 | Akuw | but i can't hear nothing |
| 23:25.37 | babilen | Nazz: is there anything which does not work as expected now? |
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| 23:26.40 | Nazz | actually i found what the problem was |
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| 23:26.45 | Nazz | dialogs work fine now |
| 23:27.00 | Nazz | until now i havent edited the xorg config file manually |
| 23:27.21 | Nazz | Option "XkbVariant" ",phonetic" |
| 23:27.24 | Nazz | didnt have the "," |
| 23:27.39 | Nazz | anyway babilen thanks for the tips |
| 23:27.57 | babilen | Nazz: you are welcome.... |
| 23:29.18 | babilen | Akuw: i am by no means an expert on midi, but i assume you checked the volume? I tried a couple of the aforementioned programs until i finally settled on pmidi because it just worked... |
| 23:29.44 | Akuw | ok |
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| 23:34.30 | Benzi | can someone help me get alsa working? |
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| 23:35.41 | babilen | Akuw: actually (i just tried it) timidity seems to be the right choice. you have to make sure that /dev/sequencer is available. if not you can "modprobe snd-seq" |
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| 23:36.06 | babilen | Akuw: sry, but its been a while since i needed midi... |
| 23:36.36 | Akuw | ok, thanks |
| 23:36.43 | Akuw | old style, you know |
| 23:36.55 | Akuw | i am looking for a pacman midi |
| 23:37.17 | cluser | Hi. I would like to know if there is a known way to install Debian into a file inside a NTFS partition. |
| 23:37.54 | cluser | I have a working installation of Debian/coLinux atm. |
| 23:38.23 | cluser | And I desire to boot into "pure Linux" using the same install. |
| 23:38.37 | Benzi | cluser, I'm no expert, but are you planning to use GrUB? |
| 23:38.48 | cluser | Yes |
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| 23:39.45 | Benzi | well, I'm pretty sure GrUB doesn't support NTFS, so it will not be able to load your kernel and initrd the normal way |
| 23:40.05 | cluser | I probably need to use loop devices |
| 23:40.50 | cluser | Actually I loaded the kernel and initrd into Grub |
| 23:41.11 | Benzi | oh, cool |
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| 23:41.22 | cluser | But the system hangs saying something like "waiting for root device" |
| 23:41.45 | Benzi | did you give it a device map and tell it which root to use in the config? |
| 23:42.17 | cluser | I don't know how to do this |
| 23:42.23 | Benzi | I mean in grub.conf |
| 23:42.30 | Benzi | wait, do you have a grub.conf? |
| 23:42.47 | cluser | But it seems that map doesn't accept files, only partitions |
| 23:43.02 | Benzi | yeah, I don't know much about how grub works |
| 23:43.08 | cluser | No, I'm testing this booting into grub |
| 23:43.15 | cluser | And typing commands |
| 23:43.33 | Benzi | I remember grub-installing, and I had to do something like grub-install /dev/sda --config-file=/path/to/grub.conf |
| 23:43.50 | Benzi | no, --root-directory= |
| 23:44.52 | cluser | I know where to put grub.conf |
| 23:45.03 | Benzi | hmm |
| 23:45.05 | Benzi | you know |
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| 23:45.17 | Benzi | why don't you make a small boot partition with ext2 |
| 23:45.21 | cluser | I need to make it mount my image. |
| 23:45.29 | cluser | And boot into it. |
| 23:45.36 | Benzi | so why not make a boot partition? |
| 23:45.50 | Benzi | by the way, I'm not even sure if linux supports an NTFS rootfs anyway |
| 23:46.32 | cluser | That's why I came to the channel |
| 23:46.37 | Benzi | oh |
| 23:46.44 | Benzi | I've no idea about that, sorry ;-) |
| 23:46.49 | cluser | I would like to know |
| 23:47.04 | cluser | There is another distribution based on Debian that installs on NTFS |
| 23:47.30 | cluser | But I think taht it uses an ISO image |
| 23:47.31 | cluser | *that |
| 23:48.40 | Benzi | try http://linux-ntfs.org and see if there's any info there |
| 23:49.34 | cluser | I'll check, thank you. |
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| 23:51.35 | Wampyre | I'm having issues starting up. It seems to not be able to see my LVM group. I have 4x ide drives configured in RAID 5, /boot is on a USB flash disk. The RAID partition is configured as LVM with /, swap and data partitions. On start, it reaches a point where it says; Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while / No volume groups found / Volume group "system" not found. |
| 23:51.43 | Wampyre | Does anyone have any advice for me? |
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| 23:57.33 | BadQuanta | Any suggestions on installing deb on old hardware? |
| 23:57.42 | Nazz | go ahead |
| 23:58.16 | BadQuanta | I have to install on a 2nd computer because I probably could not get a CD Rom drive to function on this one and I have no way of making bootable floppies for the job.. |
| 23:58.30 | Benzi | cluser, you still there? |
| 23:58.35 | Nazz | you could try booting over the network |
| 23:58.38 | Nazz | if your nic supports it |
| 23:58.46 | cluser | Yes |
| 23:58.54 | Wampyre | I have an error when starting my RAID... "mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start the array while not clean - consider --force." How do I fix it? |
| 23:59.01 | BadQuanta | Nazz: Nope, nothing like that.. doesn't support BOOTP or anyting. |
| 23:59.10 | BadQuanta | I'm lucky it has a NIC. |
| 23:59.37 | Benzi | cluser: sorry, I thought I had some info, not very valuable |
| 23:59.44 | BadQuanta | This computer doesn't even technicaly have a user-configurable BIOS.. you have to boot onto a floppy disk and load the BIOS setup program. |
| 23:59.49 | Wampyre | BadQuanta, you could install the OS by putting the hard drive into another machine. Once the OS is installed, put it back in the original machine. |
| 23:59.54 | cluser | No problem |
| 23:59.56 | Benzi | apparently the latest linux kernel has read support and partial write support for ntfs |
