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00:01.21scatterphow would i ask dpkg about my asus usb wifi card i think its erm realtek driver or something ?
00:01.25yitz_Hello. I'm trying to make an iso from a CD. I tried 'dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/my.iso' but the ISO is a mere 88MB and the CD has more'n than on it.
00:01.50scatterphmm no that cant be it danm hmm
00:01.56streuner!listkeys realtek
00:01.57dpkgFactoid search of 'realtek' by key (3): realtek ;; _default realtek ;; #debian realtek.
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00:02.20scatterpno its none of them hmm
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00:02.40streunerjust try google or/and usenet (groups.google.com)
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00:04.02Xenguyyitz_: how about k9copy  ?
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00:04.50yitz_Xenguy: Is it a CLI tool? It is currently copying it with GnomeBaker but I like CLI solutions
00:04.53Xenguyyitz_: oh, that's for dvd's I think
00:05.21yitz_Shoot. GnomeBaker is spitting out an error...
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00:06.19Xenguyyitz_: k3b  ?
00:06.49yitz_Not installed. What is it?
00:07.30Xenguyyitz_: like gnomebaker, but more reliable (at least for me)
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00:12.30ancientt_weirdness, why would sleep actually delay for 30 to 40 seconds? (load avg 0.2)
00:13.50abrotmanstew: you've been spared!
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00:14.49ukatananyone in here LPIC-certified?
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00:16.51yitz_ukatan: Certifications are over rated
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00:24.46micolshow do i make a debian rescue cd which just boots up into console.. i dont want any of that graphical stuff (rescue menus)
00:24.59micolsalso i want to be able to place xfs utils on the cd.
00:25.09micolswhich i have as a .deb or just plain files
00:25.32ancientt_okay, I still have a lot to learn. I did a "sleep 1" and it took 30 seconds. Then I did a "shutdown -r now" and it started beeping, but didn't actually reboot, so I ran "shutdown -c" and it said no pid, finally I did a "shutdown -r 1" and it is still beeping but not actually rebooting... what is up?
00:25.44infinitycircuitmicols: check out livehelper
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00:26.15infinitycircuitlive-helper rather
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00:26.52lilkidis there any way to restore/reinstall apache2 modules? - i deleted php5.load from mods-available and im not sure how to replace it
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00:29.35Gnutoohello, i've a slow arm device...what free(not truecrypt) encryption should i use ....i need transparent encryption that also encrypt files name
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00:30.34Gnutooand a safe one(not cryptoloop)
00:30.52Gnutoobecause there are watermarking attacks on cryptoloop
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00:36.11JordiGHThe newer /etc/bash_completions like to expand the tilde (~) when tab-completing paths.
00:36.16JordiGHThis is unacceptable.
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00:36.41Blast_HardcheeseI agree.
00:36.56JordiGHI've figured out, I think, what I need to comment out, but is there a way to make my changes persistent? Two updates of /etc/bash_completion have trampled over my changes.
00:37.18JordiGHAnd I do install the changes, because it looks like they add a bunch of other useful completions. It's just this one I don't like.
00:37.31abrotmanunacceptable .. heh
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00:38.21JordiGHwishes there were a way to selectively merge changes instead of all-or-nothing.
00:38.42JordiGH(btw: I blame a nefarious Ubuntian influence on this habit of expanding ~)
00:38.48enoufGnutoo: hi, you asked something about dd (and it's options) over in ##linux - the bs=64 is a very small block size (though for whatever you're doing, might be necessary) and the conv=notrun is to tel dd not to truncate the ouput file
00:39.00ancientttelinit 6, reboot -f, shutdown -r now, all fail. kill -9 on EVERY process (reverse order from top to bottom from saved list) also fails. Can't ssh in anymore, annoying beeping stopped, but I can't kill the thing. Still ping, still routing. Any suggestions to reboot a hung(ish) machine?
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00:39.14abrotmanunplug it ?
00:39.28Gnutooenouf, i have forgetten the k after 64
00:39.33Gnutooenouf, sorry
00:39.52ancienttabrotman: yeah, or push that green button, but that means going to the physical location, no great biggie right now, but when I'm not at the same location, it could become tricky.
00:39.54enoufoh, no worries, then 64k is the block size
00:40.08dondelelcaroJordiGH: it should only expand ~ when it's expanding filenames
00:40.12Mr_Deffyancientt, that box have an ilo or RSA
00:40.15Gnutooenouf, and i use a device(such as /dev/mydevice)...so i was told in #gnu that it doesn't matther
00:40.19JordiGHWine requires a working Windows installation, correct?
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00:40.26JordiGHdondelelcaro: It also expands it with cd.
00:40.31dondelelcaroJordiGH: if it's doing it when ~ isn't a filename, it's a bug that probably should be fixed
00:40.38Gnutooenouf, for the conv=notrunc
00:40.42dondelelcaroJordiGH: that's still ok
00:40.45JordiGHdondelelcaro: Oh, you're right, it doesn't expand it with cd.
00:40.47ancienttMr_Deffy: no, it's just an old P4 turned router (debian etch).
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00:40.52abrotmanancientt: does the machine do acpi/apm ?
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00:41.30ancienttabrotman: yeah, I think it does apci, but I don't know if I turned it off or not in the bios, what should it be? (since it looks like I'm going have to have a visit with it anyway)
00:41.37JordiGHdondelelcaro: Why is that a desirable expansion, btw? Maybe I just have to get it through my stubborn head.
00:41.56dondelelcaroJordiGH: it's an expansion that has to be made to handle any other expansions
00:42.10GnutooJordiGH, no wine doesn't require a windows installation but can use it if avaliable(such as import a dll in the case a software needs it)
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00:42.34JordiGHGnurdux: So you could theoretically run Windows games with Wine and no Windows files?
00:42.35ancienttI don't mind so much the power button approach now, but I expect a machine I tell to reboot to actually do it.
00:42.36dondelelcaroJordiGH: in order to do filename completion you have to expand ~ either explicitely or implicitely; an explicit expansion is better, and means you only do it once.
00:42.48enoufGnutoo: well, i'm not certain what it's exact behaviour would be. You can review what you copied over, ls -l will tell you filesize, etc - you can inspect with a hexeditor, such as xxd (vim tools) etc
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00:43.20abrotmanancientt: if you just issue a 'reboot' .. what happens .. where does it sto ?
00:43.21abrotmanstop
00:43.21JordiGHdondelelcaro: That sounds like something I should be shielded from? Is it just the expansion algorithm that needs to expand ~, or do *I* need to see the expansion?
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00:43.51GnutooJordiGH, yes...look at winedb for the game compatibility and the tricks for making them works if there is some....dont forget the nocd crack if you have a game that requres the cd
00:43.58JordiGHA friend of mine is looking into buying a Linux laptop. Everyone here is gonna recommend a Stinkpad, right?
00:44.13abrotman!tell JordiGH about laptop
00:44.15mmlj4toshiba, always been good to me
00:44.17ancienttabrotman: it starts beeping.. but nothing appears to happen, at least in the ssh session, shutdown gives "the system is going to shutdown" wall, but doesn't follow up with anything or actually seem to progress.
00:44.18JordiGHGnutoo: I don't play non-free games, this is just a concern for my friend. I'll let them know.
00:44.21dondelelcaroJordiGH: it either has to do it implicitely or explicitely; doing it explicitely is better, because it only does it once, and shows what it's doing.
00:44.38GnurduxJordiGH, i think so, but you need a couple files in order to run most things
00:44.42Gnurduxor so i recall
00:44.42DogBoyare you asking for recommendations
00:44.44dondelelcaroJordiGH: you seem to be asking for it to do it implicitely, which is probably possible, but quite a bit more complicated
00:44.48Gnurduxwine sort of sucks though
00:44.54mmlj4!tell mmlj4 about laptop
00:45.09GnutooJordiGH, ok neither do i...i play tremulous,nexuiz etc...using a free software driver(r300....nexuiz isn't very stable on this driver but tremulous is ok)
00:45.13dondelelcaroJordiGH: what's the problem with it expanding ~ anyway?
00:45.17abrotmanancientt: what kind of system is this ?
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00:45.32abrotmanexpanding ~ is unacceptable!
00:45.33JordiGHdondelelcaro: Hm, ok... I can't really understand most of the /etc/bash_completion source anyways. I trust this is a complex issue.
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00:45.56dondelelcaro(it actually will only expand ~/ or ~foo/, anyway)
00:45.56JordiGHdondelelcaro: I don't like the expansion. It makes my command line too long, and it runs into the next line, and then it gets harder to read.
00:46.09abrotmanoh jeez
00:46.23rwaitemeow
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00:46.25ancienttabrotman: debian stable about 1 week old on a P4 with about 800MB RAM, very base install, I'm not sure but I don't think I gave the base system but did do the web system and a bunch of tools I tacked on at need like vim screen etc
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00:46.58abrotmanancientt: i might check the bios
00:47.04dondelelcaroJordiGH: how long is your username? [I mean, it adds about 12 characters; you could probably sidestep it if it's a serious problem by fixing your prompt]
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00:47.16\amethystJordiGH:  if you use Meta-/ to do pure bash/readline filename completion it won't expand ~
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00:47.31\amethystJordiGH:  but it also won't be smart about what kinds of files to complete
00:47.43JordiGHdondelelcaro: If it does it more than once, it adds 24 characters.
00:47.45ancienttabrotman: I'll do that in a minute or two, toggle on/off whatever acpi setting is there. This is just a new experience for me. Didn't know I could manage such a thing.
00:47.57dondelelcaroJordiGH: you mean for two files?
00:48.04enoufJordiGH: oh .. i see what you mean now, sure - whenever i use ~/.somedotfile/...  bash-completion always replaces that with /home/myusername/.somedotfile
00:48.07JordiGHdondelelcaro: Yes. Like copy from here to there.
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00:48.21dondelelcaroJordiGH: I guess, but it's not like a multi-line command is a big deal
00:48.28ancienttk, button time, hopefully bbl
00:48.35\amethystenouf:  only when bash_completion gets involved.  You'll notice it doesn't happen with echo
00:48.36dondelelcaroJordiGH: and you can always use \ if it gets confusing
00:48.42JordiGHdondelelcaro: I like to keep them short if I can...
00:48.50enoufJordiGH: REALLY annoying is it even does it with /lib/modules/`uname -r`   ..
00:49.07JordiGHLong lines are also a bit more cumbersome to navigate with Emacs-like (readline-like?) keys.
00:49.12enouf\amethyst: sure .. but .. oh well, just mentioning i notice it
00:49.22JordiGHEmacs keys are meant to be used on 80-column width.
00:49.26\amethystJordiGH:  there are technical reasons why the scripts do that (they need to see a real filename and not the tilde version)
00:49.40\amethystJordiGH:  it would be possible to fix, I think, but a pain
00:49.41dondelelcaroJordiGH: eh? they work just fine on long commands
00:49.41JordiGH\amethyst: That's what dondelelcaro is telling me.
00:50.04dondelelcaroJordiGH: and emacs is just the default readline mode; you can flip readline into whatever mode you want.
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00:50.25JordiGHdondelelcaro: They work fine, but... meh. If the line is too long, I have to do M-f and M-b instead of C-f and C-b to get to where I want, and the visually obvious thing of C-n doesn't work because it's one long line, not two.
00:50.41enoufmy `uname -r` example breaks it though, it replaces the `uname -r` part with the full path again, so i end up with /lib/modules//lib/modules/2.6.xx
00:50.53enoufIIRC
00:50.56abrotmanancientt: instead of toggling off/on .. unless you iknow better .. reset it to bios defaults
00:50.57enoufi'll try
00:51.01JordiGHI *like* the default readline mode. Emacs is fine. I just think it works better on shorter lines.
00:51.12dondelelcaroenouf: not here...
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00:51.27JordiGHAnyways, these are all highly subjective comments. I am just going to comment out the ~ expansion again, for the third time...
00:51.42\amethystJordiGH:  if you always use 80-column terminals, you could bind C-n to a macro that does ESC 80 Ctrl-F
00:51.57enoufdondelelcaro: please give me one minute, i'll try to find which command i sue that does that
00:51.59Gnutooi'll try to sleep bye
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00:52.08dondelelcaroJordiGH: oh, that's why you use M-<arrows>;
00:52.17JordiGHArrows!
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00:52.29JordiGHYou'll have me move my wrists away from the homerow keys, you insensitive clod?
00:52.41enoufdondelelcaro: aha   ~$ grep ath5k /lib/modules/$(uname /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/
00:52.52dondelelcaroJordiGH: uh... not my problem if your keyboard sucks
00:52.56rwaitehomerow! hah! i type only using my index fingers and thumb for the space bar
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00:53.11JordiGHdondelelcaro: Huh? You know of a keyboard that has the arrows next to the homerow keys?
00:53.13n0madhi where to, put alink - that i can lounch program from terminal ?
00:53.14rwaiteand sometimes my middle finger, but it is truly a rare occasion
00:53.19rgrusing debian what do I need to do to get iceweasel to recognise a .flv file?
00:53.25dondelelcaroJordiGH: underneath them, yes.
00:53.30enoufdondelelcaro: so, i type "grep ath5k /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/[TAB][TAB]
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00:53.32rwaiteinstall the flashplayer .so file
00:53.41rwaiteoh wait, a flv
00:53.43rwaitei dunno
00:53.46rwaitei dont think it will.
00:54.03rgrbut isnt it jus flash video?
00:54.21dondelelcaroenouf: uh... there's no way for it to possibly know how to complete that
00:54.26enoufdondelelcaro: sorry, drop the last / just after kernel
00:54.29JordiGHdondelelcaro: Do you have a picture of this keyboard? I can reach most of mine without moving my wrists, at most a slight rotation of a degree or two of my wrists. Reaching to the arrows keys on my keyboard involves lifting the wrist off its pivot spot and moving it to the arrows. Show me your keyboard where you can avoid doing this.
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00:54.43enoufdondelelcaro: i'm not saying it's right or wrong ;-)
00:54.54enoufdondelelcaro: just noticing the behaviour ;-)
00:55.08rwaitergr: afaik, you need a 'player' to play that file. the youtube swf player is such a player, as is any other similar web based video player
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00:55.24rwaiteflv is the actually file format, and while related to flash, isnt exactly the same
00:55.32JordiGHrwaite: No, flv can be played by many players.
00:55.35rwaitethere may be a plugin that can 'play' it
00:55.37JordiGHrwaite: VLC can play it.
00:55.41dondelelcaroJordiGH: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_lab/020_lab_desk_10232003.jpg
00:55.48rwaiteJordiGH i know that, but iceweasel isnt a 'media player'
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00:56.20rwaitethe only way <I> know of to play flv in a browser is using a swf player
00:56.23rwaitebut i could be wrong
00:56.30JordiGHrwaite: I think totem's plugin can also play it. Try?
00:56.42JordiGHdondelelcaro: You reach the keys with your thumbs on that contraption?
00:56.49rgrok, then flv isnt what i want for video on my web.
00:56.49dondelelcaroJordiGH: no, with your fingers
00:56.59rgrogg is equally unfriendly to windows using people
00:57.03ancienttokay, it turns out that it was apm enabled in bios, which is now disabled and reboots work. The "sleep 1" now takes one second too.
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00:57.21dondelelcaroJordiGH: your thumbs operate the control, alt space, enter, delete, meta1, meta2, pageup, pagedown, home, end etc. keys.
00:57.31micolswhat is the name of the linux software raid module ? to detect md0 arrays
00:57.34JordiGHdondelelcaro: Huh? Do you type upside down or something? Or have really long fingers? You need to tape yourself typing, heh. I don't get how you do it without lifting your wrists.
00:57.55JordiGHdondelelcaro: Where are the arrow keys, on the right?
00:58.00enoufJordiGH: ever notice what a simple ~[TAB][TAB] or $[TAB][TAB] shows? ;-)
00:58.04dondelelcaroJordiGH: no, they're underneath the home row.
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00:58.21dondelelcaroJordiGH: there are no keys to type on that keyboard that require you to move your wrists
00:58.30JordiGHdondelelcaro: Fine, I lose.
00:58.47abrotmanyay!
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00:59.09micolsah raid456.ko
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00:59.51dondelelcaro(though yes, my hands are huge)
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01:00.57enouf\amethyst: did you mean the a) bash builtin 'echo' , or b) /bin/echo binary, or c) both ?  :-)
01:01.22enoufdondelelcaro: you too eh?
01:01.35enouffriggin apes we are :-P
01:01.54Tracy_PIs there a way to trun off the echoing to the active tty I get when I enter "ifconfig wlan0 up". I don't have X on this box.
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01:03.04ancienttwait, doesn't /etc/profile get source executed at login?
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01:04.03micolswhen i chroot to /target i get the command "cannot run command /bin/bash no such file or directory" what is wrong?
01:04.13micolsi got bash in both /bin/bash and /target/bin/bash
01:04.35micolsand chroot fails
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01:05.26JordiGHdoesn't believe what they say about long hands.
01:05.28enoufmicols: --bind /proc and erm /dev and ,er  /tmp ?
01:05.29JordiGHEr, fingers.
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01:05.45enoufcrap, /var ? i suck
01:05.58ancienttokay, when I log into the system, PS1 gives \h\$, but sourcing /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc gives \u@\h .. forget it, I don't need to know right now I guess.
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01:06.14micolshow enouf ?
01:06.23stewmicols: you are probably chrooting the the wrong directory
01:06.26enoufmicols: not sure what you're doing
01:06.39micolsi am in / and want to chroot to /target
01:06.49enoufmicols: mount --bind /proc /target/proc  ..like so
01:06.51micols'chroot target'
01:06.54stewmicols: does /target/bin/bash or /target/bin/sh exist?
01:06.59micolsyes stew
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01:07.50micolsdidnt help it enouf
01:07.54stewmicols: if /target/bin/bash exists i don't know why you'd get "/bin/bash no such file or directory" when running "chroot target"
01:08.00enoufdoes /bash also need some libs?
01:08.12stewyes
01:08.23micolsi just tried running /target/bin/bash works fine
01:08.30enouf(just did "ldd /bin/bash")
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01:09.16enoufmicols: and just "chroot /target" fails?
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01:09.35micolsyes tried that one.
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01:09.44enoufmicols: is one system amd64 arch, one i386? though that would usually spit out a diff error
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01:10.01micolsi would have mentioned it if it was nonx86 :)
01:10.03stewmicols: does /target/lib/libc.so.6 exist?  (or, for that matter, all the libs returned from "ldd /target/bin/bash"
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01:10.15enoufmicols: both i mentioned are x86
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01:10.38micolsah funny
01:10.46micolsxfs_repair removed my /lib :)
01:11.22rwaitelol
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01:11.26micolsi have 5516 entries in lost+found
01:11.34micolsfor my os disk of 18GB :)
01:11.56shinei have no idea what lost+found is even for.
01:11.57shineheh
01:11.59shine:D
01:12.05OBcecadohi, i just installed kdm, and uninstalled gdm, but kdm won't autostart, where can i set it up correctly ? i googled but found nothing suitable, thanks in advance
01:12.18micolsguess i am pretty screwed, no way i could recover my /lib ?
01:12.27micolsthere a a lot of numbers in lost+found
01:12.39micolsfrom 30k to 1million
01:12.48micols20million even
01:13.25enoufOBcecado: try dpkg-reconfigure kdm
01:13.38stewmicols: well you'll just have to figure out which is which :)
01:13.39OBcecadoalready did
01:13.40OBcecadono good
01:13.48micolsoh yeah.. libc6.so is in ./16777440 :)
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01:13.54enoufOBcecado: won't autostart?
01:13.58micolsnah was only libc6.list :(
01:14.02enoufOBcecado: explain
01:14.02micols.so is gone
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01:14.12OBcecadoi login as root in bash
01:14.14OBcecadoand run kdm
01:14.18OBcecadootherwise it won't run
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01:14.42enoufOBcecado: you should get a gui kdm splash for logging in
01:14.43shineykes
01:14.53shinethat sounds very insecure.
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01:15.34OBcecadoenouf: any way i can get the rc scripts to get it running ?
01:15.57enoufOBcecado: pastebin out put of ~$ rgrep -l kdm /etc/rc[0-6].d/
01:16.30enoufOBcecado: update-rc.d -f kdm add 2 3 4 5  <--IIRC,
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01:16.37enoufor similar
01:16.55OBcecadosec
01:17.06batcoder-7please help someone
01:17.11bccan anyone tell me why this just spews lines of 'diff: blahblah.com.orig: No such file or directory'? -> for domain in `ls -1 | grep -v .orig` ; do diff -u "$domain" "$domain.orig" ; done
01:17.17batcoder-7i am trying to connect to a wireless network
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01:17.50enoufactually, ~$ find /etc/rc[0-6].d/ -name '*kdm*' is better
01:17.54batcoder-7now
01:18.08batcoder-7when i do iwlist i can scan and see the network
01:18.12batcoder-7but how do i connect to it ?
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01:18.43enouf~$ find /etc/rc{[0-6],S}.d/ -name '*kdm*'    <-- had left off the rcS.d dir
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01:18.49OBcecadohere it is http://pastebin.com/m444e069c
01:19.02OBcecadooh let me update it then
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01:19.18OBcecadosame output
01:19.33enoufOBcecado: looks like you're just missing the  /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm symlink
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01:21.52enoufcd /etc/rc2.d ; ln -s /etc/init.d/ S99kdm
01:22.00batcoder-7how can i check to see what channel my wlan0 is trying to connect to ?
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01:22.12OBcecadoenouf: ln -s /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm /etc/init.d/kdm ?
01:22.19enoufOBcecado: cd /etc/rc2.d ; ln -s /etc/init.d/ S99kdm
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01:22.47enouf(is just the way i like to do my symlinks)
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01:23.00MuffinHello...I've just installed roundcube, and gotten it working (running php5) ...but my login screen is not in English, and I cannot fathom why.
01:23.05OBcecado:-]
01:23.28OBcecadoreboot, brb
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01:24.30micolsfind /target/lost+found -iname "lib*.so" -exec mv {} /target/lib/ \; :P
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01:24.44micolsit actually worked.
01:24.50MuffinNo guesses?
01:25.01MuffinAnyone have a guess at what character set is in use? http://mail.ilovebacon.org ?
01:25.34OBcecadono good
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01:25.43unopbacon script
01:26.13abrotmanMuffin: do other apapche pages display correctly?
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01:26.51MuffinYep, all of them.
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01:27.16OBcecadoenouf: any other idea ?
01:27.25lfs<PROTECTED>
01:27.25lfs<PROTECTED>
01:27.26enoufOBcecado: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
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01:27.49Muffinabrotman: Also, running the php script that generates that page from the shell produces non-english characters.
01:27.51lfsANybody know about that one?  It came up using wineconsole?
01:27.55enoufOBcecado: try dpkg-reconfigure kdm <== do that again ... reinstall kdm
01:27.58micolsthanks for the help enouf and stew , i guess i am getting much closer to getting the system up now.. i was able to chroot now and run lilo :-) and i copied a all .so's to lib so now init may run ;)
01:28.10abrotmanMuffin: there is a roundcube channel
01:28.13micolsbefore that i got cannot execute sbin/init
01:28.17OBcecadoit's set to kdm it is
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01:29.03micolsgrml is the best live/rescue cd i ever tried.
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01:29.24MuffinOh, nice. I will try there.
01:29.25micolsuses all my favorite tools.. everything (in the ttys) in screen, and zsh and xfs utils etc.
01:29.37enoufOBcecado: ~$ grep "id:2:initdefault:" /etc/inittab
01:29.40micolsand links for browsing in console :)
01:30.00micolsand best of all, no gui unless you want it.
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01:30.58OBcecadogrep "id:2:initdefault:" /etc/inittab
01:30.58OBcecadoid:2:initdefault:
01:31.05micolsit even comes with magic sysrq .. raising elephants :p
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01:31.34enoufOBcecado: well, no reason kdm shouldn't come up - are you sure the init.d script exists?
01:31.52OBcecadojust symlinked it
01:32.04enoufOBcecado: the script needs to exist
01:32.09|v|4s7e|2how do i change the volume in console
01:32.11enoufsymlinks can point to air
01:32.14abrotmanalsamixer
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01:34.04batcoder-7is there ANY way i can tell why my dhcclient is not pulling a IP ?
01:34.08batcoder-7this is a wifi
01:34.10batcoder-7i mean
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01:34.26batcoder-7i scan i see it i restart my network the interface is there
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01:34.36batcoder-7it just cant pull an ip this is pissing me off really bad
01:34.44ukatanbatcoder-7, do you have a weird setup, software-wise?
01:34.47ukatanalso, which debian
01:34.58batcoder-7do you think this  is becasue i am connected via wire to the same router as well as the one i am trying to connect via wifi ?
01:34.59Muffinbatcoder-7: Do other systems successfully pull down IPs? Might it be your dhcp server?
01:34.59OBcecadoafter i created the symlink, i get the following error after running dpkg-reconfigure kdm: update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm is not a link to ../init.d/kdm or /etc/init.d/kdm
01:35.09batcoder-7that wouldnt make a diffeerence would it ?
01:35.16enoufOBcecado: apt-get install --reinstall kdm  ..then check that all we did is still there, the same
01:35.21ukatanno, that shouldn't be a problem, although maybe through some weirdness of the router..
01:35.30ukatanbatcoder-7, try disconnecting the wired interface
01:35.32batcoder-7Muffin: its a linksys router and this same computer pulls them fine via wired connection
01:35.39batcoder-7thats what i was thinking
01:35.45ukatanjust to troubleshoot, give it a shot
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01:35.48batcoder-7and then trying to pull a dns ?
01:35.51ukatanyes
01:35.51batcoder-7sorry
01:35.52MuffinRight, but it is entirely possible that you don't have the wireless dhcp server turned on.
01:36.00batcoder-7its theere
01:36.05batcoder-7the wired ip is getting pulled
01:36.10batcoder-7through dns i dont use static
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01:36.35ukatandisable your wired interface and try getting an IP solely through the wifi
01:36.37enoufcrap OBcecado , i messed up the symlink we made a bit ; here ~$ ln -s /etc/init.d/kdm S9xxxxkdm
01:36.40enoufgah
01:36.41enoufno
01:36.42batcoder-7and the windows computer is connecting fine via dhcp via wiifi :P
01:36.50abrotman!fire enouf
01:36.50dpkgI'm sorry, enouf, but it just isn't working out.  Pack up your stuff.
01:36.52batcoder-7ukatan: imma try that brb
01:36.55MuffinAh, that's what I wask wondering.
01:36.55OBcecadohehe
01:36.55ukatank
01:37.03OBcecadolet me retry
01:37.07enoufOBcecado: cd /etc/rc2.d ; ln -s /etc/init.d/kdm S99kdm
01:37.17enoufOBcecado: remove the old one, or whatever
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01:37.48enoufi left off the kdm part off of /etc/init.d/ path last time
01:37.54abrotmanwhoops
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01:38.00enouf:-p
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01:38.10Bac9anyone know whichvt6421avt6421a module to load for VIA vt6421a chipset? lspci shows the card as "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE" but /dev/ doesn't show the attached HDD
01:38.10mxmxperl
01:38.14OBcecadook, reconfigure didn't yell this time
01:38.17OBcecadoreboot
01:38.21enoufok
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01:39.46mxmxneone know teh command to install perl?
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01:40.00gravitymxmx: You should already have it, it's a standard package
01:40.05batcoder-7am i still coneccted?
01:40.07batcoder-7lol
01:40.09enoufBac9: lspci -nn | grep 'Bus Master'
01:40.19mxmxgravity how cani enable it?
01:40.24batcoder-7ukatan: ok i put down the wired interface unplugged did same thing didn't work
01:40.30Bac9enouf: "00:11.1 IDE interface [0101]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE [1106:0571] (rev 06)"
01:40.45mxmxi have  ascript that is not working, and it tells me i dont have perl
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01:40.46batcoder-7ukatan: i also did a dhcp on the wired connection and it pulled it just fine
01:40.50OBcecadotada! thanks enouf
01:40.51gravityblinks
01:40.59mxmx:/
01:41.01gravitymxmx: Does perl -v do anything?
01:41.05mxmxhold on
01:41.08mxmxssh-ing
01:41.15batcoder-7ukatan: any other ideas ? i can scan etc etc all works it just cant pull a ip, do you think it maybe not getting authenticated ?
01:41.15enoufBac9: modprobe via82cxxx
01:41.25Bac9enouf: it's already loaded
01:41.26enoufOBcecado: np ;-)
01:41.34enoufBac9: well, then other issssues
01:41.38enoufBac9: dmesg
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01:41.50ukatanhmmm
01:42.02ukatanno this doesn't make any sense, batcoder-7
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01:42.23mxmxgravity yeah i guess i do have perl :/
01:42.25ukatanbatcoder-7, you're just using 'ifup' 'ifdown' etc to do this, right?
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01:42.51gravitymxmx: Yeah, you should read your script and figure out why it can't find perl if it's in your pat
01:42.56gravitys/$/h/
01:43.24abrotmanor show us the actual error
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01:44.12mxmxmeh its a script i a using in an adult-oriented website
01:44.29batcoder-7ukatan: i am suing ifconfig wlan0 up/down etc
01:44.45ukatanbatcoder-7, try "ifup wlan0"
01:45.06ukatanbatcoder-7, and pastebin all the output
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01:45.22batcoder-7interface already comfigured
01:45.28ukatanok, then ifdown wlan0
01:45.31ukatanthen ifup wlan0
01:45.33gravityoooohkay then
01:46.33mxmxare u over 8teen?
01:46.39batcoder-7ukatan: same as before doing DHCPDOSCOVER trying to pull an ip and eventually times out
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01:47.12SlingDHCPDISCOVER might work better ;)
01:47.12batcoder-7ukatan: do you think its maybe a connection thing with authentication or something ?
01:47.12Slinganyway, bedtime
01:47.22batcoder-7like its not really connecting so thats why its not pulling a ip casur it doesnt have access ?
01:47.33ukatanwell that's not how TCP/IP works
01:47.34enouf"doscover" : what bill and ballmer do at night O_o
01:47.40ukatanI'm trying to figure out what, exactly, is going on
01:47.54ukatancan you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file?
01:48.01batcoder-7DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
01:48.05Bac9enouf: the last thing I see is the card failing to acquire ide0 and ide1 as they're already taken, I don't see any other relevant messages in dmesg
01:48.07mxmxzzzzzzzzzzz
01:48.10batcoder-7it just keeps gdoign that in different intervals
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01:48.26ukatanbatcoder-7, I know that, please copy the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file and put it on patebin.ca
01:48.29ukatannot in the channel
01:48.29enoufBac9: ahh .. so maybe you want to play around in your BIOS
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01:49.13abrotmanmxmx: what's the actual error ?
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01:49.35Bac9enouf: what can I do in my bios?
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01:49.53batcoder-7ukatan: http://phpfi.com/328810
01:50.11enoufBac9: drive config order, or try the BIOS of the card
01:50.11batcoder-7is it maybe becasue its trying to do the wrong subnet mask ?
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01:50.23ukatanno
01:50.27mxmxt takes me to a text file
01:50.33ukatanDHCP is pretty automated
01:50.34Bac9enouf: it's a headless box :-(
01:50.38mxmxredirects me thre instead to a php page
01:50.44ukatanif you can connect to the router wirelessly with any other computers, it should work
01:51.00ukatanok
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01:51.07batcoder-7ukatan: Subnet Mask255.255.248.0 that is the subnet wan
01:51.07ukatanbatcoder-7, the problem could lie in WPA
01:51.31ukatanbatcoder-7, if possible, turn WPA off on the router and try connecting "cleanly"
01:51.35batcoder-7should i hardcode the subnet in there ?
01:51.37ukatanno
01:51.38enoufBac9: for ex; in my BIOS, i have one area for Boot Order (cdrom, hdd, floppy, etc) and another area closeby, is i can tell it to Boot of a PCI Card as 1st, or HDD first, or Network Device 1st
01:51.38abrotmanmxmx: that's absolutely no help
01:51.48ukatanstop messing with DHCP, that's not the problem
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01:51.51batcoder-7ukatan: i will do it again but yea tried that too but one sec
01:51.56ukatanoh, really?
01:52.03ukatandon't worry about it if you already know it won't work
01:52.05ukatanthat's a lot of hassle
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01:52.40Bac9enouf: but I don't want to boot off the card, I want the card to be ide2
01:52.49enoufBac9: so tell it to be ;-)
01:52.59mxmxabrotman hold on
01:52.59Bac9enouf: if I only knew how :-(
01:53.07mxmxthtsa hwy i need someone to test it
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01:53.28|v|4s7e|2how do i set up an audio card
01:53.29batcoder-7ukatan: ok yea did it done
01:53.29enoufBac9: the card itself should have a config menu .. are IDE0 and IDE1 already populated?
01:53.40enoufBac9: in your System BIOS?
01:53.40ukatanbatcoder-7, I assume it did not work, then?
01:53.40batcoder-7ukatan: wpa_supplicant wa runing in the backgrounf the hwole time
01:53.45batcoder-7maybe it was messing with something
01:53.49batcoder-7didnt try yet diaabled in router
01:53.52ukatanoh ok
01:54.00Bac9enouf: ide0 and ide1 are provided by mobo
01:54.04ukatanalso, make sure you change the format of the essid field in /etc/network/interfaces
01:54.15enoufBac9: that's not what i asked
01:54.20ukatanit should read wireless-essid
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01:54.35batcoder-7ukatan: what do you mean ?
01:54.43batcoder-7oh
01:54.45batcoder-7i left that out
01:54.46batcoder-7oops
01:54.47ukatanbatcoder-7, if you aren't using WPA, you shouldn't be using WPA supplicant
01:54.55Bac9enouf: yes, ide0 has 2 devices and ide1 has 2 devices
01:54.55batcoder-7i want ot use WPA
01:55.02batcoder-7but just to see if it works anything will work
01:55.04ukatanI know, but for this test it should be out of that file entirely
01:55.05ukatanyeah
01:55.22ukatanif we can at least narrow it down to something, it's a step
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01:55.47ukatanIan_Daniher, if you can read this, fix your connection or /part please :x
01:56.02mxmxabrotman the perl script should start a uploading bar, it says it's initializing it, then  instead redirecting me to a page called upload;.php, it redirects me to a pl file
01:56.08enoufBac9: ahh, ok .. so, as i said about my BIOS, move/config the Boot Order, and tell it PCI Card as down on the list
01:56.20abrotmanTHE ERROR
01:56.21|v|4s7e|2how do i setup an audio card with alsa or oss
01:56.29abrotmanmxmx: if you need help writing perl .. see #perl
01:56.30enoufBac9: so the card won't try to grab ide0 and boot from it
01:56.33batcoder-7ukatan: HOLY SHIT IT WORKED
01:56.42ukatanbatcoder-7, I suspected
01:56.42batcoder-7ukatan: IT WAS A WPA problem the whole time
01:56.42enoufBac9: so the card won't try to grab ide0 and boot from a drive connected to it
01:56.43batcoder-7wow
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01:56.59ukatanbatcoder-7, my experience with WPA and linux is badness (I am by no means the authority on this, though)
01:57.15ukatanare you doing everything in CLI, or do you have X?
01:57.15mxmxit snot about writing pearl
01:57.21batcoder-7ukatan: i didnt know what to really do
01:57.23mxmxits about a script not being able to id perl
01:57.27batcoder-7i am using fluxbox but i do most in nano
01:57.30mxmxbut thanks
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01:57.41ukatanbatcoder-7, I recommend you go look through some WPA tutorials
01:57.52Bac9enouf: the box boots of the mobo ide channel... I think it's the kernel that's trying to check for ide0/ide1
01:57.58ukatanthere should even be a WPA_gui command, or something along those lines
01:57.59enoufBac9: concerning wpa and such, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
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01:58.14batcoder-7ukatan: yea thats what ive been doing for like 15 hours ;)
01:58.20ukatanenouf, I assume that was meant for batcoder
01:58.30ukatanbatcoder-7, I figured as much, I know your pain
01:58.40n3klIs there a way to setup a cluster similar to how distcc does for doing every day things?
01:58.41batcoder-7like i did the whole .conf
01:58.51ukatanbatcoder-7, if you end up using a DE like XFCE you can install NetworkManager which automagically does everything
01:58.54batcoder-7is the psk the shared key ?
01:58.58ukatanyes
01:59.00batcoder-7are those the same thing ?
01:59.04ukatanbut the problem is there are like 5 different WPA specs
01:59.12ukatanand it gets kind of ambiguous
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01:59.23batcoder-7my router gives me wpa 1 and 2 wp1 / wpa2 personal and professional
01:59.28ukatanread the link enouf posted: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
01:59.33enoufukatan: yes, my bad, batcoder-7 see that svn link i posted
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01:59.38enoufBac9: ok
01:59.59ukatanbatcoder-7, at least you can connect now, so you've got something to work towards
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02:00.14ukatanI hate when something like wifi hangs up because I just bash my head against it for days at a time
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02:00.53batcoder-7hey it says default psk value is between 8-63 characters
02:00.59batcoder-7i bet that could be the problem right there
02:01.02batcoder-7mine is much longer
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02:01.12Slingthats what she said
02:01.17enoufBac9: is the module for via listed in /etc/modules? is it in your initrd?
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02:01.55batcoder-7ah each one it generates is a different size
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02:02.20Bac9enouf: which one is the module for via? via82cxxx is loaded automatically
02:02.31Bac9enouf: via hotplug
02:02.36enoufBac9: yes, that one
02:02.40enoufwhat?
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02:03.18batcoder-7hey goit a psk exactly 63 characters
02:03.19Bac9enouf: hotplug autodetects most of my cards and loads the corresponding modules
02:03.37enoufhotplug?
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02:05.39enoufBac9: using sarge or woody?
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02:06.08ukatanbatcoder-7, it could be that what you think is the PSK is actually a different type of key used by a different type of WPA, just bear that in mind
02:06.18batcoder-7yes i understand
02:06.20batcoder-7also
02:06.21Bac9enouf: stable, what ever it's currently named
02:06.21ukatanI gotta go do some stuff, but I hope I've at least given you renewed interest
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02:06.29n0madok-hi i edited init file and run "init q" what i missing more (or not?)?
02:06.39enoufBac9: uname -r
02:07.03batcoder-7if i put that stuff in the inferace file do i still need the .conf ?
02:07.21batcoder-7im saying ifi put the wpa key in the inferace do i still need it in the .conf as well ?
02:07.41Bac9enouf: 2.6.24.2
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02:07.43enoufBac9: pastebin-> dpkg -l udev hal dbus
02:07.45batcoder-7in the wpa_supplicant.conf
02:08.27enoufBac9: udev handles the hotpiugging events, but what's being hotplugged? isn;t that an internal PCI Card Controller?
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02:08.44Bac9enouf: just udev  0.105-4
02:08.52enoufyes, you lspci showed us it was
02:08.58Bac9enouf: true
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02:09.53enoufso, now, after this excursion, want to answer my orig question? <enouf> Bac9: is the module for via listed in /etc/modules? is it in your initrd?
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02:10.36Bac9enouf: neither, I don't use initrd and it's not in /etc/modules
02:10.47enoufok, see ya ;-)
02:10.48Bac9enouf: but it does get loaded automagically
02:10.53enoufnot a debian kernel
02:11.01Bac9enouf: no
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02:11.05enoufthen it's =y in the kernel
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02:11.46enoufCONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=m
02:12.05enoufis what it should be -- have fun recompiling ;-)
02:12.07Bac9enouf: no, I see a via82cxxx.ko
02:12.48enoufthen something is loading it - see that where?
02:13.01enoufthat could be from an old kernel
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02:13.13Bac9enouf: I am assuming udev/hotplug is
02:13.50Bac9enouf: nope, zcat /proc/config.gz | grep VIA -> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=m
02:13.52enoufso then, you need to pause the scan i guess .. and i told you how, by the system BIOS config
02:14.11Bac9enouf: headless box remember
02:14.20enoufor, pass a kernel command line - screw on a head
02:14.44Bac9enouf: which command line option?
02:14.47enoufi can't help that it's an ichabod crane
02:15.08enoufi don't know offhand
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02:15.22Bac9enouf: I'll try to find a monitor+keyboard for it tomorrow then
02:15.33enoufsee if the same happens with a debian kernel
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02:17.04enoufBac9: i would never add new hardware to a box without atleast inspecting the system BIOS on 1st boot/reboot
02:18.05Bac9enouf: I didn't feel like searching for and hooking up a monitor
02:18.32Bac9enouf: besides, in this day and age I expect things to just work (tm)
02:18.59enoufBac9: see kernel-parameters.txt , man bootparam , man setpci  .. maybe something as simple as pci=routeirq would suffiv
02:19.04enoufsuffice
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02:19.31enoufBac9: erm, tell your system BIOS manu ;-)
02:20.04micolshow do i insert a new scsi device into my system? (rescan for it), without removing my scsi module?
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02:20.21micolstried scsiadd which only finds the device, i cannot add it and it outputs no error msgs
02:20.21enoufmicols: easy
02:20.33micolsHost: scsi0 Channel: 01 Id: 08 Lun: 00 Vendor: COMPAQ   Model: BD0096349A       Rev: 3B15 Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 02
02:20.38enoufmicols: http://www-941.ibm.com/collaboration/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3625
02:20.39micolsscsiadd says that. thats my disk.
02:21.24micolsah hehe
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02:21.30micolsall it does it cat /proc/scsi/scsi enouf :D
02:21.35enoufmicols: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan  <== replace with correct host
02:21.55micolsah, that would scan all channels and luns?
02:21.59micolsfor host adapter
02:22.07enoufread :-P
02:22.30micolsdid not do anything i checked dmesg
02:22.50micolsi just got st: Version 20070203, fixed bufsize 32768, s/g segs 256            and nothing else
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02:24.24enoufmicols: scroll down to area that has;   :/sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/0:0:1:0/block/device # echo 1 > rescan
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02:24.27micolshm i guess the problem is that my disk isnt recognized
02:24.38micolsnormally it would popup in dmesg just if i add it to my external array.
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02:24.45micolsnot even lsscsi will find it after that.
02:24.46enoufthe raid related stuffs
02:25.32micolssomething must be wrong.. it doesnt find my disk
02:25.38micolsi did that for host0
02:25.42micolsand lsscsi
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02:27.37micolsenouf: i think i perhaps added them as hotspares :)
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02:27.43micolsthats why they dont show up perhaps.
02:27.47enoufheh
02:28.09micolsi got a lot of hotspares it seems.. 5 that is :)
02:28.19micolsbut i only got 2 in the machine
02:28.22enoufnice ;-0
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02:29.35micolshm nah i dont think that is the problem, i guess a reboot is required as i cannot remove the module
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02:30.19micolslssci does nothing that dmesg doesnt already do
02:30.42micolsnormally everything would show up nicely in dmesg, that is when i start my kernel and all luns are probed
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02:36.16Nylehahaha
02:36.26Nyle'lun' in Urdu/punjabi means penis
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02:36.34Nylehahaha they were probed
02:37.24abrotmanNyle: wrong channel
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02:40.45pickcoderdoes dpkg report package data from popcon?
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02:40.58nkuttlerdo you know of a command line tool that will give me the size (with images etc) of a html site?
02:42.19enoufnkuttler: i wouldn't think that'd be possible (gui/tui or otherwise) without atleast starting/faking a download, since you don't have public access to dirs
02:42.31nkuttlerof course not
02:42.51enoufman wget, man curl, man lynx :-P
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02:45.19roehow do I downgrade my system from lenny to etch?
02:45.26roeis there a way to?
02:45.38nkuttlerrather perldoc + content-length or such i guess
02:45.40pipelinedowngrades aren't supported
02:45.54pipelineroe: I mean, you could downgrade, but the chances of success aren't real good.
02:45.54abrotmanpickcoder: dpkg the bot ?
02:46.03pipelineroe: nobody tests packages to see whether downgrades are going to work...
02:46.07roeeasier to format and reinstall?
02:46.15ukatanroe, absolutely
02:46.28roethat is a real pita
02:46.41ukatan'downgrading' would be 10000 times more of a pita, trust me
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02:46.56ukatanalso, how did you wind up upgrading your system by accident?
02:47.24abrotmandid he say it was an accident ?
02:47.27ukatantrue
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02:47.41roethere is a bug somewhere in bash,glibc,firehol, or any of the dozen other packages firehol, iptables interacts with in lenny that is stopping my nat box from working properly
02:47.41ukatanI just assumed, since every piece of upgrade documentation ever says be super sure you want to do it before you do it
02:47.47pickcoderabrotman: yeah
02:47.49pickcodernever mind..
02:47.54abrotmanpickcoder: i don't think so
02:47.57pickcoderI downloaded the by_inst page
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02:48.14abrotmanroe: you could write your own iptables .. or use the ipmasq package instead of mucking with firehol
02:48.18pickcoderI'm trying to establish BDB versus MySQL versus Postgres usage
02:48.23Lectusroe: backup your data, write down a script with apt-get install for all your needed packages, backup you home if you want to keep it (if it isn't already in another partition), reinstall debian etch over this partition formating it... then just copy your data and run the script. done!
02:48.33abrotmanpickcoder: there are packages in lenny/sid that can query popcon IIRC
02:48.35pickcoderany idea how accurate the "vote" column is?
02:48.38roeabrotman, at this point it is a matter of picking which yak is easier to shave
02:48.57abrotmanroe: you need a bigger razor
02:49.03abrotmanor a flobie
02:49.24abrotmanthis is only funny if you remember the flobie
02:49.25pickcoderwith an install of 70K+ for BDB but with a vote of like 6000, I have to wonder how accurate it is
02:49.36d0lphin_noelbrb
02:49.38pickcoderI know that libdb is used in the average install
02:49.45abrotmanpickcoder: remember that bdb is a dep for lots of simple stuff
02:49.50Dewipickcoder: how would you vote for bdb?
02:49.50pickcoderI know
02:49.58pickcoderthat's my point...
02:50.01Dewipickcoder: it's usually used completely indirectly
02:50.01abrotmanroe: i'll just a pitstop on my way up north tomorrow .. fix you right up :)
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02:50.14pickcoderso I should use the install number
02:50.18scoobydoois jfs more fast den ext3
02:50.24Dewipickcoder: for a lib like that, probably
02:50.25abrotman!fs comparison
02:50.26dpkgwell, filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html
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02:51.14pickcodermysql-server-5.0 is at 22K
02:51.33abrotmanpickcoder: shouldn't you be comparing .. features ?
02:51.50pickcoderthis is for argumentative sake
02:51.58pickcoder"MySQL is the most widely used DB"
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02:52.04pickcoderwhich is bollocks
02:52.08pickcoderBDB is
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02:52.27pickcoderMySQL is the most widely used GPL'd SQL based DB
02:53.02Nyleand how is this on topic?
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02:53.16abrotmanNyle: as opposed to your earlier comment ?
02:53.23Nylenevermind me
02:53.24pickcoderis what on topic?
02:53.27Nylehow is THIS
02:53.31Nylethas what I thought.
02:53.37abrotmanhe's using popcon?
02:53.44abrotmanyou know .. the debian popularity contest ?
02:53.44pickcoderthey're debian packages man
02:53.52pickcoderhow is it OFF topic?
02:54.01Nyleok
02:54.04NyleI misunderstood
02:54.16Dewipickcoder: there is a lot more MySQL use outside of debian than there is BDB use
02:54.20abrotmanpickcoder: did you check sqllite ?
02:54.34Dewipickcoder: very very few people use BDB on Windows servers
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02:54.43pickcoderDewi: I never said anything about windoze
02:54.45abrotmanthey use the registry! )
02:54.46abrotman:)
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02:55.07pickcoderI doubt every PC owner installs MySQL
02:55.11pickcodereven if they don't use Debian
02:55.15Dewipickcoder: you said the claim MySQL is the most widely used was bollocks, and that it is somehow threatened by BDB. I very much doubt that.
02:55.25Dewipickcoder: However, I reckon sqlite would give it a good run for its money
02:55.31pickcoderI said no such thing
02:55.31Dewisince it's bundled in every firefox 2 and 3
02:55.38abrotmanDewi: i'd imagine on unix/linux boxes .. bdb is far more used than mysql
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02:55.46n0madhow to read from file only specifik line (by specifying line num)?
02:55.56abrotmann0mad: in what?
02:55.56pickcoderI'll lookup sqlite.. hold on
02:56.03n0madconky
02:56.13Nyleso why are you wondering whats most widely used?
02:56.16Nyleand whats threatened by what?
02:56.25abrotmanisn't that the system monitor thingie ?
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02:56.33pickcoderlibsqlite-3-0 has 55282 installs
02:56.49Dewiabrotman: I dunno, when I knew I was using BDB, it was wedging and causing all kinds of trouble (early subversion)
02:57.00Nyle!bdb
02:57.00dpkgsomebody said bdb was Berkeley DB (BDB), a high-performance, embedded database library with bindings in C, C++, Java, Perl, Python, Ruby, Tcl, Smalltalk, and many other programming languages.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB -- http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix99/full_papers/olson/olson.pdf
02:57.01Dewiabrotman: I kind of assumed that if I was using it other places I'd have known about it by now :)
02:57.11abrotmanDewi: and early svn had all kinds of issues
02:57.18Dewiabrotman: but yeah, it is linked against all kinds of stuff. I dunno what uses it.
02:57.26abrotmanunlikely related to bdb
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02:57.48Nylebut why! are you wanting to know how many installs a package has?
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02:57.59pickcodercomparison
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02:58.05Nylejust for the sake of comparison?
02:58.14Dewiabrotman: um, more that BDB kind of relies on every user to properly clean up after itself, both in terms of locks and the perms of files. Svn didn't properly take care of either thing
02:58.16pickcoderjust for a single O/S that actually has some sort of install record
02:58.26Nylebut why?
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02:58.44pickcoderdiscussion on a news group
02:58.57Dewiabrotman: I'm just saying any idiot can connect to mysql and issue some queries, but working with BDB in a robust way actually requires some decent design
02:59.00ZitZhey everyone, can somebody tell me why ftp-master would delay in approving a package that has been uploaded to them a week ago?
02:59.09Nyleso why does it matter pickcoder ?
02:59.16NyleI mean people will install what they will install
02:59.27Nyleor do people go by popcon to install what they want?
02:59.32scoobydoojfs is more fast den ext3/2
02:59.33abrotmanDewi: oh well .. more than i really care ...
02:59.40abrotman!tell scoobydoo about fs comparison
02:59.41DewiNyle: I sometimes give it a look when I have no other clues
02:59.42Nyle(other than debian deciding what goes on which cd)
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02:59.54NyleDewi, clues about what?
03:00.14abrotmanwhat is .. popular ?
03:00.25Nyleif I'm looking for say an ftpd, I'm not looking at fucking popcon
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03:00.30DewiNyle: about which of the software options in certain areas has the most chance of actually being useable
03:00.32NyleI'm looking on google...
03:00.39Nylelooking at reviews by other people
03:00.47Nyleand not by how many installed it
03:00.48abrotmanoh yeah .. better plan
03:00.52DewiNyle: google is just a different kind of popularity contest, with way more spam
03:01.01DewiNyle: that's great if you can actually find reviews
03:01.03abrotmanand way more idiots
03:01.08pickcoderNyle: with the broad promotion of LAMP, some (unknowing people) would think that MySQL is used more than any other DB
03:01.12NyleI don't just mean google
03:01.14NyleI meant internet
03:01.17Nyleand irc as well
03:01.19Nyleare you guys idiots?
03:01.20pickcoderI'm just trying to show that's not always the case
03:01.30abrotmanare debian users that participate in popcon idiots ?
03:01.37Nyleyou tell me.
03:01.55abrotmani trust that more advanced users turn on popcon than novices
03:01.56Dewiabrotman: Why are Nyle and pickcoder so angry about establishing metrics and using them to measure things? I'm scared
03:02.01abrotmanNFC
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03:02.08Nyleabrotman, of course, I also participate in it
03:02.10pickcoderDewi: I'm the DB police
03:02.11abrotmanjust to argue i suppose
03:02.13pickcoderheh
03:02.13Dewilaughs.
03:02.29Nyleabrotman, but only to let debian know (for the purpose of prioritizing packages going on cds)
03:02.43Nylenot for myself
03:02.54NyleDewi, I'm not
03:03.03NyleI'm trying to understand why this dicussion is going on in here
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03:03.08dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>
03:03.11DewiNyle: popularity contests run out entire planet. Remember democracy?
03:03.16Dewis/out/our/
03:03.17Nyleyes yes
03:03.19Nylequite right
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03:03.35Nylebut why bring a newsgroup topic about bdb vs. mysql to #debian?
03:03.38DewiNyle: saying 'only idiots use popularity contests' makes idiots of everyone
03:03.40Nylethat is my qestion
03:03.44pickcoderDewi: not the _entire_ planet... but I digress..
03:03.46DewiNyle: yeah, I can't answer that one
03:03.47NyleDewi, I never said that.
03:04.07Nylethus going back to my original statement
03:04.13NyleHOW THE FUCK is this ontopic for debian?
03:04.21Nylekeep your this vs. that outta here maybe?
03:04.22Dewipickcoder: yeah, but sooner or later somebody will offer (force) it upon you :)
03:04.30pickcoderNyle: chill out
03:04.39pickcoderDewi: heh
03:04.49Nylepickcoder, sorry. I didn't mean to come off as non chilled :)
03:04.58Dewilaughs.
03:05.02Nyleor unchilled
03:05.03Nyle?
03:05.27DewiI'm part of the problem, or at least not part of the solution.
03:05.29DewiLater, guys.
03:05.35Dewiplay nicely.
03:05.35Nylesame here
03:05.43Nyle*idle*
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03:11.47ajonatHi! anyone knows a app like synergy but decentralized?
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03:13.51rkingok, i googled a bit, and i grep -r totem /etc/'d a bit, but i lose: when i insert a CD, totem starts up; what controls this?
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03:14.36nkuttlerrking: some gnome setting probably
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03:16.50rkingnkuttler: interesting... i wonder how, when gnome starts up, it gains the authority to do something when something else happens.
03:16.51\amethystrking: If you're using Gnome, it's configured in gnome-volume-properties ("Removable Drives and Media" in the Control Center)
03:17.23toxrnanyone knows if is there any problem with tor and freenode?
03:17.28wols_rking: gnome has an automounter. that's all it needs
03:17.32rking\amethyst: yep, there it is... i still don't know how it works though
03:17.34wols_toxrn: wrong channel
03:17.59toxrnok, whats the rigth channel, please?
03:18.04rkingwols_: there is no `man automounter` ... google automounter, then?
03:18.10wols_!automount
03:18.10dpkgAsk me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>.
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03:18.14wols_toxrn: #freenode
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03:18.23toxrnthanks
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03:18.46samantha--so i have files in a directory that have long filenames. When Samba shares them, the WinXP box sees them as having stupid 8.3 filenames, and doing a write operation on them jacks the filename on the Debian side. WTF?
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03:18.57batcoder-7ok i got my wireless connection all good except for the fact about this WPA
03:19.08batcoder-7anyone here know and or has worked with wpa supplicant ?
03:19.22wols_samantha--: sounds like a windows setting gone wrong
03:19.36wols_!tell batcoder-7 about anyone
03:19.39rkingwols_: ok, good tip -- i will probably never cease to be amazed at what can be accomplished in user space (i am still recovering from `sudo`)
03:20.28ameyershrug, that could be a samba issue
03:21.26wols_ameyer: only if windows identifies itself as win 3.x variant
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03:21.38n-iCeeae a ea
03:21.38wols_from wintendo95 onwards it can handle long filenames
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03:25.50micolsdo i need my scsi controller as a module in order for it to rescan scsi bus whewn hotswap device is added?
03:26.03micolsi..e reload itself and add it again
03:26.08batcoder-7anyone know whats going on here ?
03:26.10micolsi think i got messages in dmesg when i had it as a module
03:26.11batcoder-7http://phpfi.com/328820
03:26.46micolsbut with it in kernel i get nothing and it cannot find new devices without restart
03:26.51Nylesamantha--, http://oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ch05_04.html
03:27.23Nylesamantha--, maybe it helps not sure
03:27.38Nylename mangling came to mind but I could be mistaken
03:27.57batcoder-7wols_: could you take a look at this
03:30.09n-iCeNyle:  :)
03:32.08samantha--filenames aren't long enough to trigger name mangling.  127 characters in xp :-/
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03:35.19BubbaTEverytime I restart my Vbox running debian, it kicks up the interface by one. I'm mostly using defaults. ANy idea why?
03:35.37batcoder-7maybe #vbox will BubbaT
03:36.04BubbaTWell it's been about 15 minutes there with no answer.
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03:43.16wols_batcoder-7: No keys have been configured - skip key clearing
03:43.37Nyleoh
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03:45.35liableAssociation request to the driver failed
03:45.42liablethats the borken one
03:46.15wols_BubbaT: liable but why does it fail?
03:46.24wols_-bubbat
03:46.27liablewols_: dunno
03:46.40liablebatcoder-7: show us your dmesg output
03:46.52wols_could it be a missing PSK?
03:47.33liabledoesnt appear to get even as far as trying to set it
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03:48.33wols_when there is none defined.... what's there to try to set
03:49.15BubbaToh sorry wols.
03:49.20goto10hi, my sound is very quiet. even if i fully turn on the alsa-mixer, it is not loud. it is a via8237a onboard sound chip. How can i get it louder ?
03:50.03wols_BubbaT: is the MAC always changing?
03:50.08BubbaTFor some reason my screen didn't scroll.
03:50.13BubbaTNo the interface.
03:50.21BubbaTeth0->eth1-z>eth2
03:51.02BubbaTs/-z>/->/
03:51.39wols_BubbaT: yes udev does this
03:51.43wols_anytime the MAC changes
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03:52.21wols_!tell BubbaT about z25
03:52.22wols_or udev
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03:53.28BubbaTOh. It's not when I restart, iot's when I clone the disk.
03:53.38BubbaTThanks.
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04:01.12dpkgTo find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>.
04:01.12stewLectus: /msg dpkg cd contents
04:02.50Lectusthanks
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04:29.20extorIf I have an application I suspect of leaking memory and I want to sandbox it in a VM, will vserver and Xen kernels both give me the ability to totally reset memory pages by rebooting the virtual machine? Or will a memory leak in one of them spill over to the the host OS?
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04:30.49rkingextor: have you messed around with the memory leak libs/tools and such?
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04:31.27extorrking, I have no idea what they are. I just want a weapon to protect against mem leaks without having to reboot the physical box
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04:32.03rkingextor: is it your program?  if not, do you have access to source?
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04:32.18extorwell I have the source
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04:32.37extorit is a perl script running on an embedded perl webserver
04:32.39extorvery iffy
04:32.40rkingextor: ok, start by recompiling, and seeing what happens with that recompiled version.
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04:32.55extorthe web server warns of intermittent mysterious memory leaks
04:32.59rkingextor: wow, ok... perl is only going to leak in a few situations... do you know about refcounting?
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04:33.10extorrking, refcounting, no
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04:33.41rkingextor: ok, perl is not like C. in C, you go like this: malloc()... then you gotta go like this: free().  yes or no?
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04:35.00rkingextor: well, in perl, memory allocated is automatically freed, but the system has to know that it CAN be freed
04:35.22rkingextor: how does it know that it can be freed? only if nothing could possibly use it -- that is, if no variable refers to that memory
04:35.31rkingextor: basically, it's hard to make memory leak in perl
04:36.00extorrking, according to Igor that hardship has been solved: http://wiki.codemongers.com/NginxEmbeddedPerlModule
04:36.27rkingextor: it takes either an architectural screwup (such as caching information and never setting up a limit to the cache size) or an epic code screwup such as a circular reference: $a points to $b which points to $c which points to $a
04:36.32infinitycircuitwow the kde version in experimental is miles ahead of the good old days of 3.99 haha
04:37.08extorrking, well the nginx guy says there is a risk so I am only going by what he says
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04:39.09rkingextor: it says it is possible if you -HUP the server, are you doing that?
04:40.36extorgood point, good catch
04:40.37rkingextor: to answer your original question based on my experience with vmware, no... the VM memories will be sandboxed, and you should not expect them to bleed into your non-VM world
04:40.56rkingextor: where's the code?
04:41.11extorBut even if I repeatedly HUP the server...if I kill the PID will the leaked memory come back? or is it gone forever until a hard reboot?
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04:41.25rkinginfinitycircuit: i'm hooked on sid - i cannot live with stable even if sid makes my life total pain at times
04:41.38rkingextor: almost definitely will come back
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04:41.48extorrking, vmware is a fully sandboxed system that even emulates the BIOS however vserver and XEn are paravirtualized VMs where they are not totally 100% sandboxed
04:41.51Azarhello honorables
04:41.51rkingextor: what is your means of observing that it is leaking?
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04:42.12extorrking, I have no means of observing except by periodically looking at "top" statistics
04:42.42infinitycircuitrking: i am hooked on sid too although i don't know why you told me that :)
04:42.51rkingextor: and top stats.. you see the VIRT go up and up and up?
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04:43.26rkinginfinitycircuit: "the kde version in experimental" <-- does that refer to the upstream version, then?
04:43.44extorrking, I am speculating how to do it..as it is I have not yet installed nginx on a production box
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04:44.14infinitycircuitrking: kde4 has always been in experimental. i have tested it since it was first uploaded, when it was utterly useless. now it is passable even though sound doesn't work
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04:45.02puntohi.. what's the command to rebuild a package I just got from apt-get source?
04:45.19infinitycircuitpunto: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
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04:45.54rkingextor: when you're working with perl, you don't have to think about memory leaks until something becomes a problem.  it almost never is.  if you are paranoid, study the usage patterns: start the server, look at the total memory used; hit it a few times, look at the total memory used; <usage should level off somewhere around here>; after days and days, check the usage. if it goes up and up, then you MAY
04:45.56rkinghave a leak
04:46.17rkinginfinitycircuit: ahh
04:46.33ericP_i've been screwing around trying to connect to a network with the essid "blacktiger" and a passphrase "briar"
04:46.36extork
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04:47.10ericP_apparently this is enough info for windows and mac boxes, but not enough for my wireless driver (iwl3945),  which wants a hex key of some lenght i can't figure out
04:47.51ericP_my theory is that win and mac try all the known reasonable key lengths and stop when the base station acks them
04:48.26rkingericP_: can you wait until the windows box connects and then query the key length?
04:48.55ericP_i guess {substr Digest::MD5::md5_hex( substr( shift() x 64, 0, 64 ) ), 0, 26} is good enough for 64 bits, but doesn't tell me how long the others are
04:49.01ericP_oi, am i ericP_ again?
04:49.29ericPrking, that sounds great, do you know how i query the key len from a win box?
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04:50.23rkingericP: no... i don't know, i'm asking you. =)
04:51.02ericPrking, yeah, windows eludes me, but i'll poke around on google
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04:51.10rkingericP: i'm thinking maybe after it connects you can find a "Connection Properties" dialog and prod around for whatever details Windows is assuming that the other wireless driver is not
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04:53.40ericPrking, yep, sounds like my best bet. will have to wait 'till am, though, as the pc-owner has retired for the night. tx for the ideas/support
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04:55.39greeghi
04:55.45greegim reading man shutdown.  it doesent mention a format for the time. just --> time   When to shutdown.
04:55.53greegwhat i mean is shutdown -h 7:30 but that didn't work
04:56.24Decepticonim trying to get pptpd to work.... ive apt-getted pptpd and added users to /etc/ppp/chap-secrets .... but my clients cannot connect! error 619... /var/log/syslog says "Jul 3 06:53:25 ks361773 pptpd[7220]: GRE: read(fd=7,buffer=80505c0,len=8260) from network failed: status = -1 error = No route to host"
04:56.41DecepticonJul 3 06:53:25 ks361773 pptpd[7220]: CTRL: GRE read or PTY write failed (gre,pty)=(7,6)
04:56.44valdyngreeg: try reading the manpage again
04:57.21rkinggreeg: look at the part that says, "The time arugment can have different formats. [...]"
04:57.26greeg7:30 didnt work
04:57.30rkinghigh-fives valdyn.
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04:59.08valdyngreeg: it works
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05:01.19greegvaldyn: how can you still be logged in and say the shutdown command still works
05:01.21greeghttp://rafb.net/p/QJglgX83.html
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05:04.16valdyngreeg: using -k
05:04.26valdyngreeg: and hearing the beeps and kernel messages
05:04.51valdyngreeg: s/kernel/console/
05:06.49liablep.d.o is very slow
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05:07.16tengulrewhy error , tcpdump tcp port 21 host 192.158.12.12
05:08.01Decepticonim trying to set up pptpd but somethings going wrong... my /var/log/syslog says http://pastebin.ca/1061060 when a client tries to connect... line 16 mentions a binary /usr/sbin/ppd ... what is this? i dont have any such program?
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05:09.06greegattention all rude asshole FUX!  for once the man page was wrong.  it said for the hour, one or two digits, yet it only worked with 2 digits.  well now my hitlist just got longer.  good day to all prick fucks!
05:09.10greegchicken McNigger
05:09.36liablewow
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05:11.30epoxyhey..i removed a mysql installation to reinstall.. and now i cant get it to reinstall for some odd reason.
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05:12.01epoxywhen i do an apt-get install.. it tried to stop the service... which doesnt exist because i did a --purge already
05:12.07epoxybut it wont get past that.. any ideas?
05:12.13rkingepoxy: start forcing
05:12.17infinitycircuitepoxy: please pastebin exact error
05:12.55epoxyrking, k.. couldn't figure out the syntax through the man page :-/
05:13.08infinitycircuitvim
05:13.12infinitycircuitwhoops sorry
05:13.43epoxyhttp://pastebin.com/m1acad13a
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05:15.24infinitycircuit!tell epoxy about confmiss
05:15.27infinitycircuiti think that will fix your problem
05:17.42epoxyinfinitycircuit, nah.. still does it
05:18.51epoxyi'm not reinstalling.. the package is gone and i deleted /etc/mysql .. i'm trying to get a fresh package on there
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05:20.28epoxyi need to make it stop trying to shut down mysql... that doesnt exist.  wtf
05:20.58dondelelcaroepoxy: uh... it won't if the binary isn't there
05:21.11epoxyit isnt.
05:21.12infinitycircuitepoxy: no
05:21.14dondelelcaroepoxy: but you can purge the mysql-server-5.0 (or whatever) package if you want the init scripts to go away.
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05:21.21epoxyi did that
05:21.26infinitycircuitthe error is in the postinst script
05:21.32infinitycircuitit is not related to stopping the mysqld
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05:22.18dondelelcaroepoxy: do you want mysql-server-5.0 installed? or what?
05:22.26epoxyyes.. correct.
05:22.42dondelelcaroepoxy: then use the confmiss option as infinitycircuit told you about it.
05:23.03epoxyi purged the old install, ended up deleting .*mysql.*, and did a find / -name \*mysql\* and deleted everythign i could find
05:23.19epoxyi did that.  i will post the results.. it is the same.
05:23.22dondelelcaroepoxy: you'll have to use it with mysql-common, mysql-client-5.0, and the server.
05:23.25enoufdtrace for linux?  http://kerneltrap.org/node/16361
05:23.29epoxyk
05:23.31infinitycircuitepoxy: why not a simple dpkg -P mysql-server-5.0
05:25.23epoxyhttp://pastebin.com/m86f10b2
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05:25.53rkingenouf: i don't get it... what about dtrace > strace ?
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05:27.07stewepoxy: the problem is that you have sarge compatibility configured for mysql-server-5.0 so it is trying to write the old_passwords.cnf file into a non-existant directory.  this directory doesn't exist becuase you removed it.  you should reinstall mysql-common and mysql-server-5.0 with confmiss
05:28.29epoxyapt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install mysql-common mysql-client-5.0  mysql-server-5.0
05:28.31epoxywould work?
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05:30.40stewepoxy: i'd think so, yes
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05:31.12Supaplexmmmm yummiester nacho cheese and corn chips
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05:42.41batcoder-7wow i mean debian is good but wow making wifi devices via usb and diswrapper can be tricky as helll sometimes
05:43.04batcoder-7i spent 6 hours today
05:43.06batcoder-7finnaly got it
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05:45.35Aaron_hey i have a question has anyone here gotten Lifecam vx6000 working under debian?
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06:06.06Aaron_!burning
06:06.20streunerhaha
06:06.28Aaron_any software to burn?
06:06.30Aaron_under debian?
06:06.39streunerLifecam vx6000 is from M$
06:06.44Aaron_yeah strawks
06:06.57Aaron_yeah streuner i got it working though but the colors are so freaking crappy
06:06.59Aaron_and ugly
06:07.41streunersell that stuff and buy something which is better supported
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06:07.58Aaron_streuner, how can i fixed the colors though?
06:08.03Aaron_that's the only crap that's messing up
06:08.05Aaron_the colors
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06:10.01Carutsuhelp!, I'm getting huge pings: 64 bytes from jc-in-f99.google.com (64.233.187.99): icmp_seq=2 ttl=245 time=2821 ms, my guess: IPv6 is messing up with something and I haven't been able to turn it off for KDE, so how do I turn it off system-wide?
06:10.30streunerAaron_: why are you in #ubuntu?
06:10.54Aaron_because i am an ubuntu user also,
06:11.04Aaron_streuner, do you know any software to burn
06:13.04Bushmills(06:46:31) Aaron_: hey i have a question has anyone here gotten Lifecam vx6000 working under ubuntu?
06:13.05Bushmills:)
06:13.31streunerAaron_: #ubuntu
06:13.32Aaron_bushblows, youre point
06:13.50Aaron_anyone here know any software to burn
06:14.21Bushmills laptop & desktop (both running hardy)
06:14.24Bushmillshehe
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06:24.33stiv2kHow do I use SUID
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06:25.54Bushmillsstiv2k: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions
06:26.55stiv2kBushmills: I want to make this samba mount to appear as if it has a different UID than it does on the remote system, is SUID anything related to what I need?
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06:27.14Bushmillsstiv2k: no
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06:27.20stiv2kBushmills: Because on the remote system the UID is 1000, but my UID is 500, so I cant write to it... what can I do?
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06:28.13MayskiyJukHi is there any patch for Pidgin 2.3.1 from backports for Etch to use icq?
06:28.15Bushmillsstiv2k: i suppose, configure samba accordingly
06:28.32stiv2kBushmills: what do you mean 'accordingly' ?
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06:29.28Bushmillsstiv2k: to map the share to the user you want it to appear as
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06:30.53stiv2kBushmills: How do I do this?
06:31.24Bushmillsstiv2k: you're asking the wrong person. windows- and therefore samba-free zone here.
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06:32.20stiv2kBushmills: gotcha :P
06:32.40Bushmillsbut i can give you general help.  use a configuration user frontend, called "editor", and massage /etc/samba/some_config_file a bit
06:33.32stiv2kw00t!
06:33.34stiv2kI think I got it
06:33.50stiv2kI just add uid=500 to the mount command options
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06:38.50onvsopcan anyone point me to a good place to ask a rackmount question
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06:40.01Supaplexover there ---->
06:40.07nevynonvsop: #hardware?
06:40.29onvsopthanks guys :) ill try hardware
06:41.33onvsophas anyone here got experience with installing a 4U rackmount case like this - http://www.mwave.com.au/newAU/mwaveAU/productdetail.asp?SKU=16050010
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06:42.17arooniwhat license is debian?
06:42.53maligorhttp://www.debian.org/social_contract
06:42.57streuner!dsfg
06:42.57dpkgDo you mean DFSG?
06:43.07puntoI'm building a package with dpkg-buildpackage and it's been stuck on "Searching for duplicated docs in dependency libswfdec-0.6-90" for an hour.. is that normal? is there a way to make it skip that?
06:43.11streuner!dfsg
06:43.12dpkgdfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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06:43.55maligorthose acronyms roll readily off the tongue :P
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06:45.47hifican I somehow keep back some packages from upgrading temporarily?
06:46.06streuner!hold
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06:46.06dpkghold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.]
06:46.35hifithanks
06:46.36cahoothifi: or did you mean  revert an upgrade?
06:46.41hifino, just hold it
06:47.02Bushmills!etla
06:47.02dpkgi heard etla is Extended TLA
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06:48.18arooni_____what specific license is debian
06:49.00maligordebian is a collection of software
06:49.21arooni_____ok so you cant point at one license
06:49.28etis are a nice way to install all -dev packages for already installed library ones?
06:49.32nevynarooni_____: all the software in main must meet the DSFG but not a specific licence
06:49.37puntobut they do try to keep it as commie as possible
06:50.30maligorGPL is probably prominent in the core blocks
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06:50.36maligorlike package management
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06:56.19hifiwill the hold status vanish when finally I force the upgrade?
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06:57.36Decepticonhow do i leave a message for another user on my system so that when he logs in he will see it
06:58.16the-dudeDecepticon: adjust his shell :)
06:58.26Decepticonwell without being inconsiderate
06:58.39Decepticoni can move all his files all over the place and leave a text file too ya know
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06:58.48Decepticonjumble stuff up :P
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07:13.46rx`hi all
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07:15.44Carutsu!ipv6
07:15.44dpkgi heard ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, but supported in potato, or at http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/  Also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/
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07:16.12saintisshi all
07:16.55saintissI'm using vga=791 in grub in order to have better resolution in CLI mode... this has always worked fine, but now, *after* booting (during boot it's still fine) when I switch to console, the brightness is way too dark
07:16.57saintissany ideas?
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07:17.48Vasisthasaintiss: I wonder if somehow your console color got set to dark gray instead of light gray or something
07:18.31saintissVasistha, any way to set it back to light gray dynamically, so I could check?
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07:19.05Vasisthasaintiss: there is .. I always forget how to do console colors, though :) let me look it up
07:20.32Vasisthasaintiss: try this: tput setaf 15; echo hi
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07:21.44saintissVasistha, that didn't help... however, I must note that removing the vga=791 option does help, so it must be something related to that
07:21.53saintissis that obsolete maybe?
07:22.18Vasisthasaintiss: try some other colors -- tput setaf 14 or 13, anything between 0 and 15. Above 15 might have ... unpredictable results :)
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07:23.11saintissVasistha, no, doesn't do anything
07:23.47Vasisthasaintiss: oh, you do not see "hi" printed in any different colors at all? that's odd. btw, you do need to have the "echo hi" there right after the semicolon -- the next line will probably reset the colors
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07:24.35saintissVasistha, indeed, no difference at all, but then again it's difficult to see since I hardly see anything in console mode
07:24.36Vasisthasaintiss: erm, heh, doesn't do anything on mine either :) must be an xterm thing. Let's see, how to do it the old-fashioned way...
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07:29.59Vasisthasaintiss: see, I've got a fancy colored prompt, and that works in X as well as on the virtual terminal. But I don't remember how to just ... uhm ... test echoing a color!
07:30.37saintissVasistha, well, basically, testing colors should be fine with an ls command, right?
07:30.51Vasisthayes!
07:30.52saintisswhich definitely works
07:30.54saintissbut
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07:31.01saintissALL colors are way too dark
07:31.06saintissyou can hardly see them
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07:31.12saintissso it's definitely not the wrong color then
07:31.25Vasisthaokay, that's kinda what I was wondering about. Is this an LCD or CRT?
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07:32.40BushmillsVasistha: try   echo -e "\033[32mfoo
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07:33.19Vasisthaahha, echo -e, that's what I wanted. Well, anyway, we managed to get past that point I guess. I'm wondering if, e.g., the backlight is going off in VT mode
07:33.33Vasisthathat could kinda make sense for an LCD, but definitely not for a CRT
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07:34.06Bushmillstry echo -e "\033[5m"  for intense
07:34.41Bushmillsoh. "too dark" . echo -e "\033[1m" maybe
07:34.53Vasistha5m does flashing here - very annoying :)
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07:35.18VasisthaI found this wonderful guide to the colors not long ago, but I can't find the link! darn it...
07:36.06Bushmillswell.. 0..7 : attributes.  30...37: foreground,    40...47: background
07:37.41saintissVasistha, it's an LCD
07:38.06Vasisthasaintiss: ah, so it may very well be the backlight going off -- I suppose that could be caused by something funky with acpi
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07:38.36saintissVasistha, there should be a way to test then?
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07:39.22arooni________ahow do i list all installed packages?
07:39.25Vasisthasaintiss: "should" :)  I sure don't know how to do it. there "should" be a way to just issue a command that turns the light on, now.
07:40.00vltHello. I'm trying to setup an "APC Smart UPC" on Debian Stable. I installed "nut" and configured it to use "driver = newhidups". Whenever the UPC changes state to "on battery" I get "upsmon[26742]: UPS APC_SUA750I@localhost on battery" in syslog and a few seconds after I get "upsd[26735]: UPS [APC_SUA750I] disconnected - check driver" and "upsmon[26742]: Executing automatic power-fail shutdown" (I set the shutdown cmd to `/bin/false` ;-)
07:40.06vltAny idea where to look first?
07:40.32saintissVasistha, right... I'll just try rebooting a bit with different vga modes
07:40.32Vasisthaarooni________a: wow, what an annoying nick. Anwyay, dpkg --get-selections
07:40.41saintissas I know providing no mode at all doesn't yield problems
07:40.56arooniVasistha, fixed
07:41.45Vasisthasaintiss: btw, is this a laptop or a desktop?
07:42.11Vasisthaarooni: another useful resource is /var/log/dpkg.log
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07:42.23saintissVasistha, desktop
07:43.36Vasisthasaintiss: well, anyway, now that I think we've determined it's probably the backlight going off, I'd recommend you look on google.com/linux for something like LCD backlight "virtual terminal" or something of the sort
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07:44.05arooniis there a way of piping stdout (say ls dir) into something so it doesnt scroll by too quickly?
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07:44.40saintissVasistha, ok thanks
07:44.42vltarooni: less
07:45.29vltarooni: Or are you looking for something that actually _scrolls_ smoothly?
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07:50.09sauvinwhat on earth is google.com/linux?
07:50.22mohadibtake a guess
07:50.49Bushmillsit's not http://www.google.com/bsd
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07:50.51sauvinLooks and acts just like google.
07:50.51Vasistha!tias
07:50.51dpkgmethinks tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first
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07:53.45aroonivladi_, scrolling smoothly qould be cool
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07:54.27simonrvnit's called a down arrow key. there, nice scrolly thing.
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08:05.03vltarooni: I don't know a tool that does scrolling ... but you could try something like `| while read LINE; do echo $LINE; sleep 0.1; done` ;)
08:05.20zophyany recommendations for a GUI email program ?
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08:05.46vltzophy: mutt, thunderbird, kmail ...?
08:05.47Supaplex!start a mua war
08:05.48dpkgpine owns
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08:07.09zophyevolution couldn't handle an imap inbox with 62,000 emails
08:08.13Bushmillszophy: X or console?
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08:08.36SupaplexBushmills: yes.
08:08.39zophyi want a nice X program
08:09.05zophyi'll try thunderbyrd
08:09.18Bushmillszophy: have a look at claws mail/sylpheed.   for imap plugin needed.
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08:10.20Bushmillsehm .. not true anymore, imap native now i think
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08:11.17Supaplex!tell zophy -about search
08:11.22Supaplextry them all! ;)
08:11.44CokeWhat is this? ValueError: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.4
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08:11.57CokeCan someone please toss that PyCentral crap to the bottom pits of hell?
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08:12.14Supaplex!lart that PyCentral crap
08:12.15dpkgeats that PyCentral crap and falls over dead
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08:13.31CokeNot only is it FRIGGIN annoying that it tells me I need Python 2.4 when the package says >=2.4 and < 2.6 for dependencies, what's even WORSE is that my default Python IS 2.4, it just does not resolve the alternatives link
08:14.15CokeCan someone explain to me why Debian has more than 4 different places to store Python libraries to begin with? What's wrong with the site-packages dirs?
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08:16.18dimirGood morning!
08:16.26Supaplexwhere?
08:17.20dimirHere!
08:17.29Supaplexsend me some
08:17.57Supaplexactually, I filed a ticket with I.T. - they say it'll be fixed in a few hours.
08:17.57dimirsend Supaplex as large piece of "Good morning" as he could take from here
08:18.14dimirs/send/sends/
08:19.44Supaplex*nod*
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08:20.15Supaplexmy irc ECC stuff didn't notice it until you pointed it out. :)
08:20.25dimirremembers he played Supaplex on some old computers
08:20.36dimirSupaplex: :-D
08:20.46Supaplexrawked back in the day - and still does
08:20.48Supaplex!supaplex
08:20.48dpkgit has been said that supaplex is a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity.  Now it's freeware, and has somewhere around 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html
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08:21.33CokeWhat package should I file a HUGE bug report on for this PyCentral problem?
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08:22.33SupaplexCoke: pycentral? filing bugs in angst most often backfires.
08:22.47CokeSupaplex: really?
08:23.02CokeYeah, you're right, I should seek out the Python organized for Debian and just kill him :/
08:23.44Supaplexsure, rip him a new one. that bug report will mysterously disappear.
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08:24.12Supaplexbut really, they're not paid to do this. you're pissing on the system that's trying to help where it can.
08:24.28dimirwhat the
08:24.29dimir$ apt-cache search supaplex
08:24.29dimirrocksndiamonds - Arcade style game
08:24.50CokeSupaplex: somehow people seem to be under the false impression that resorting to violence is intended solve something.
08:24.55dimirI guess I will need dosemu
08:25.22Supaplexdimir: yup. I still use a 386sx16 for the old school one. :)
08:25.58SupaplexCoke: I misread you somewhere near the 'kill him' part.
08:26.05SupaplexI guess....
08:26.10CokeSupaplex: probably not.
08:26.20CokeSupaplex: and I don't like the attitude "hey, you get what you pay for"
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08:26.47CokeThe whole PyCentral thing is still retarded even though you can't ask for refunds.
08:27.05SupaplexCoke: uhm, you get lots more than you pay for.
08:27.14Supaplex!sucks
08:27.14dpkgBlow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg
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08:28.06CokeSupaplex: so? still a really really retarded idea
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08:31.19SupaplexCoke: what package is pycentral in?
08:31.28CokeSupaplex: python-central, I beleive.
08:31.35CokeI've already filed a bug report a couple of weeks ago
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08:32.50CokeSupaplex: but the thing is that you don't need pycentral
08:33.02Supaplexmaybe I can look at it after I wake up. I'm too tired to know what you're after
08:33.03CokeThe system is a MESS! Under /usr/share I've got  pycentral/ pyshared/ python/ pycentral-data/ pyshared-data/ python-support/
08:33.18Supaplexwaht's the bug number?
08:33.24CokeThat's six locations containing various Python libraries in addition to the /usr/lib/python<ver>/site-packages
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08:34.11CokeAnd under /usr/lib you also have python-support and individual bin-installs for Python-related packages like Django for example.
08:34.21vampirefroghi I'm having trouble with ntfs. i try to  mount a ntfs partition but when I try to access it (touch a file) it says permission denied. I tried chmod a+rwx and nothing. I made the partition with mkfs.ntfs
08:34.49CokeWe're now up to 8 locations of where your package _might_ install Python libs.
08:35.09berzerkais there any chance for pidgin 2.4.3 to get into testing on x86 soon? i see that even in sid, 2.4.2 is the latest version. if not, where can i find instructions on building a recent version manually?
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08:35.14Supaplexvampirefrog: ntfs or ntfs-3g? the former isn't safe for writing
08:35.30Supaplex!why is pidgin not in testing?
08:35.30dpkgpidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin
08:35.43vampirefrogSupaplex: i use -t ntfs
08:35.46Vasisthavampirefrog: type "mount" and see if it is mounted readonly
08:36.07vampirefrog/dev/hda2 on /c type ntfs (rw)
08:36.17vampirefrogrw
08:36.21vampirefrogsomething's fishy
08:36.22vampirefrog:)
08:36.32Supaplexvampirefrog: ntfs write support isn't safe anyway. it's very limited. use ntfs-3g instead.
08:36.42vampirefrogah
08:36.44vampirefrogok I'll try
08:37.21vampirefrogah finally it works
08:37.25vampirefrogI tried -t ntfs-3g
08:37.26vampirefrogwhew
08:37.26vampirefrog:D
08:37.28vampirefrogthanks
08:37.28Supaplexberzerka: you could try a backport.
08:37.29vampirefrog:)
08:38.16vampirefrogberzerka: download the source tarball from pidgin.im, unpack it, type ./configure && make && sudo make install
08:38.18Vasisthaberzerka: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
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08:42.15Supaplexvampirefrog: ./configure defeats the purpose of the packaging system. you have to manually clean up after it when you want to uninstall etc. <simple sid backport> is most always better.
08:42.47vampirefrogwha'eva
08:42.53vampirefrogtalk to the hand, bish
08:43.02vampirefrogthe hand has a microphone in it
08:43.11berzerkathanks guys..
08:43.14vampirefrogplace microphone inside mouth
08:43.18vampirefrogperform sucking action
08:43.25vampirefrogpendejo
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08:46.30vampirefrogbye guys
08:46.33vampirefrogguy byes
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08:50.24enoufSo, say i'd like to move all in cron.daily into cron.weekly (because, i don't want them daily, but weekly), ..  a)should i just mv the scripts over?  b) Do i need to inspect the files' contents that exist in both, and not mv those?  c) should i just forget about (b) and let it's weekly counterpart do it's thing?
08:50.52enoufand d) it seems only /etc/cron.weekly/sysklogd:for LOG in `syslogd-listfiles --weekly`  <-- contains a line specific to weekly that's not a #comment
08:51.13enoufin all of my cron.weekly scripts
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08:52.19enoufthe list that exists in both are dwww, man-db, and sysklogd
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08:52.50enouferm, the /scripts/ that exist in both are ^^^^^^^
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08:59.25enoufSee, what i've been doing is removing the +x on all in cron.daily, but many times, i forget to reset it and then run the scripts, so i'd like a more automated method
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09:02.48Cokeenouf: I don't know about the x thingie you're talking about, but moving the scripts around is fine
09:03.18clustyis there some tool to measure network traffic on the local network passively (sniffing i guess)
09:03.46enoufCoke: i meant, removing the execute bit ;-) so chmod a-x /etc/cron.daily or similar
09:03.55enouferm -R
09:04.30Cokeenouf: but why?
09:04.31enoufCoke: so the scripts can't run, until i add the +x back ..
09:04.32rvsjoenclusty : tcpdump/wireshark/tshark
09:04.45Cokeenouf: ok. but why would they be in the cron dirs if you don't want to run them?
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09:05.27enoufCoke: well, i also mv them all into a cron.daily-backup at one time, but the chmod -x was easier for me to remember and apply
09:05.36clustyrvsjoen, so I would run wireshark for the whole day to figure out who is hogging all the badwidth?
09:05.42clustybandwidth*
09:06.20enoufCoke: i do want them to run, just not daily - wasn't sure how often i wanted them to run ,so this way, i tested
09:06.42Cokeenouf: you can add your custom entries to the crontab as well
09:06.59Cokeenouf: the hourly, daily, weekly and monthly are just for convenience
09:07.17enoufCoke: sure, i realize that - thanks, that's another option
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09:08.35enoufCoke: i'm just concerned with conflicting scripts running at the same time (i like to let it all be done within a 15-20 minute window), so the day of the week that weekly runs, daily just ran a few minutes prior
09:08.49rvsjoenI guess you could do that, and then analyze and look for top flows, I think tshark also has a parameter for thi (-z ?), another approach is using packet sampling to get an overview (look at sFlow), there are both free collectors and also a linux collector available
09:08.54Cokeenouf: hm. I think cron won't do that
09:09.19Cokeenouf: but I'm not sure, it might start several parallel
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09:09.58Bert_2Hi, does anyone know some kind of parental control application to monitor and limit internet access ?
09:10.53petemcdiscipline
09:10.56enoufCoke: well, i notice weekly contains a logrotate, and i know my HDD really gets a workout whenever the (5) daily scripts or so, or any of the cron.* run (yes, i realized they are niced as well, mostly)
09:11.00petemclow tech, works well tho
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09:11.15enoufor so /are run/
09:11.17rvsjoenlots of back doors in that
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09:11.36petemcnot if done right
09:11.52rvsjoenthats what they want you to believe :p
09:12.09enoufCoke: older hardware, minimal ram, you get the picture - thanks for the thoughts
09:12.14rvsjoencan you define monitor and limit ?
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09:12.20CokeBert_2: unfortunately, each site has it's own implementation it seems
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09:15.48rvsjoenBert_2 : have not tried it, http://dansguardian.org/
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09:16.56Bert_2rvsjoen: yeah, the #linux guys pointed me to it and I'm looking at it now
09:20.31anddamI'm using avahi-daemon on a debian box, whenever I open and close the ibook its mDNS name changes as the previous one results busy
09:20.38anddamis there a cache setup or so?
09:20.45anddamI wasn't able to find it in man page
09:20.55enoufCoke: sometimes it helps enough just to bounce some thoughts off another, and this time was one of those - so thanks for that ;-)
09:21.01anddamthat is man avahi-daemon.conf
09:21.08enoufeww
09:21.11enoufavahi
09:21.55Cokeenouf: well, good luck on your setup anyway. cron has always been somewhat magic to me.
09:22.00enoufanddam: maybe you want to restart it? .. erm
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09:22.22enoufanddam: i mean avahi, not the ibook, OS, whatever
09:23.12enoufanddam: hrm, maybe ifconfig ethX down, just prior to closing lid?
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09:24.50enoufanddam: it might help to read /usr/share/doc/libnss-mdns/README.html and look at your /etc/nsswitch.conf "hosts" line .. though i'm not sure
09:26.07anddamenouf: do you think restarting avahi could help?
09:26.11enoufanddam: and check debian's BTS (and google for that matter)
09:26.27enoufanddam: no idea - i killed any/all avahi, as i don't use it
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09:27.02anddamok but that wouldn't help :-)
09:27.04enoufanddam: it would be /etc/init.d/avahi* restart
09:27.23anddamenouf: I tought the right interfave was invoke-rc.d in debian
09:27.27anddaminterface*
09:27.30enoufor stop it prior to closing lid .. dunno man - test
09:27.48enoufanddam: only applies to the runlevel you are in
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09:28.40anddammaybe I didn't explain it correctly, the debian box has no lid, it's a classic x86 box, it is connected to the ibook via eth and I think it's keeping alive the ibook name when the ibook awakes
09:28.47enoufyou can use it, but the way i mentioned is a better way, IIRC, since mostly installation scripts use invoke-rc.d so they don't clobber unnecessarily
09:29.45anddamobviously putting down an interface before closing the ibook would be very annoying (an ibook got closed very often)
09:29.48enoufso, you're using the ibook as ipmasq for debian box .. so it can reach inet too? or
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09:29.57anddamthe opposite way
09:30.03enoufahh
09:30.04anddamdebian box runs ipmasq
09:30.17enoufand ibook accesses inet through debian box?
09:30.25anddamyes
09:30.30enoufok, hrm
09:30.44anddambut is this relevant with regard to avahi?
09:30.53enoufanddam: which OS is ibook running?
09:30.57anddamLeopard
09:31.03enoufi'm trying to ascertain that now
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09:31.13anddamand debian box is lenny
09:31.14enoufanddam: maybe it's a leopard setting too
09:31.30enoufer .. configurable from within leopard
09:31.33anddamwell it never had this behaviour before I started avahi
09:31.35wolsanddam: is there any reason why you need mDNS? won't work your apple without it?
09:31.48enoufno router?
09:31.56enoufno switch?
09:32.24anddamwols: it does I just happen to use bonjour in a networks of OS Xs so I found it useful to access the computer with a static name
09:32.36anddambut actually I have an entry in /etc/hosts so I could just disable it
09:32.40wolsanddam: dnsmasq and you're done
09:32.44enoufi was just about to say ...
09:32.54enoufabout /etc/hosts
09:32.56wolshands the same IP (and you can name it) every time MAC X connects
09:33.11wolsand the names you put into /etc/hosts, yes
09:33.28anddamanyway I was just curious as I digged the man page for avahi-daemon and daemon.conf and didn't get anything useful about this issue
09:33.31wolsMAC being a MAC address, not your mac btw
09:33.40anddamI'll turn it off and live happy
09:33.58wolsavahi is one of the things everyone asks himself "why is debian including this by default?"
09:33.58anddamwols: obviously, I hate ppl referring to Macintosh with capitalized "MAC"
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09:34.12anddamwols: lol I had to figure it out searching apt-cache
09:34.30anddamwols: I didn't have it installed
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09:34.44anddamok have to study now
09:34.46anddamthanks
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09:39.49jamesstanleyI've asked in #openssh, but does anyone here know how to make OpenSSH server kill all of the processes started in that session when the session disconnects?
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09:41.34karmatronichi guys
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09:41.56jamesstanleyHi karmatronic
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09:44.25saimazoonhello
09:44.40saimazoondoes anybody know which format come the libstdc-doc packge files shipped in?
09:45.01saimazoonI mean, is it in info node files, like the C standard libre documentation set
09:45.55jamesstanleyI think it's man pages
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09:46.23jamesstanleyAnd on my machine there is no such package.
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09:46.40saimazoonthere is, in mine
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09:46.42saimazoonI mean
09:46.44saimazoonthat's not the exact name
09:46.50jamesstanleyAh, OK
09:47.01saimazoonit's the package with the documentation for the standard C++ library
09:47.09jamesstanleySo that would be libstdc++
09:47.11saimazoonlibstdc++6-doc
09:47.14jamesstanleyThere is quite a lot of difference ;)
09:47.21saimazoonoh, sorry
09:47.22saimazoonyes
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09:47.27jamesstanleyNo, don't worry about it
09:47.49jamesstanleyI suggest installing it and typing 'man cout'
09:48.20themillYou could look on packages.debian.org at the list of files
09:48.20jamesstanleyOr man something that it is likely to have
09:48.20saimazoonit's annoying that they don't ship it in well-ordered info nodes
09:48.20saimazoonyeah
09:48.20saimazooni'll try, thanks
09:48.20themillsaimazoon: it's also shipped as html
09:48.20jamesstanleyNo problem
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09:48.37themill(it's not often that people want info pages...)
09:48.38saimazoonI'm used to look up functions and definitions from emacs using the info reader
09:48.52saimazoonI'd like to enjoy the same ease of use when I code in C++
09:48.56saimazoonwithout popping a navigator window
09:48.58jamesstanleyI've never found a use for info, to be honest
09:49.01jamesstanleyI use man pages and Google
09:49.07saimazoonwell
09:49.12saimazoonfor the C library functions it's the best source
09:49.14jamesstanleyI can see why it would be useful
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09:49.29saimazoonemacs has an info reader that comes quite at hand
09:49.33saimazoonit's fast an easy to look up definitions
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09:49.38saimazoonfrom the same code reader
09:49.56saimazoonjamesstanley: google stores information about your search patterns
09:50.02saimazoonand sells them to governmental organisations
09:50.02saimazoon:P
09:50.09jamesstanleyYeah, so I've heard
09:50.21jamesstanleyIt's the best search engine I can find though
09:50.29jamesstanleyI dislike the company but I like the search engine
09:50.30saimazoontry del.icio.us
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09:50.34saimazoonit's not a search engine
09:50.48themill!hand out the tin foil hats
09:50.48dpkgpasses around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil...
09:50.52saimazoonbut information is ... let's say sieved
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09:54.10cedric3hi all i see on my system i have  /var/cache/apt/archives/ 600 M is it important if i delete the pakage debian on her?
09:54.12cedric3thanks
09:54.42karmatroniccedric3: ?
09:54.47jamesstanleyapt-get distclean
09:54.49jamesstanleyI think
09:55.04jamesstanleyapt-get clean perhaps
09:55.10jamesstanleyYep
09:55.14jamesstanleycedric3, apt-get clean
09:55.20jamesstanleyIt will delete the bits that aren't necessary
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09:55.36cedric3i have a big size of the directory   /var/cache/apt/archives/ i don't know if it important and why when the apt-get install the pakage it save the package deb
09:55.42cedric3ok thanks
09:55.48jamesstanleyHeh
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09:56.32cedric3jamesstanley : thanks for your help ;)
09:57.02jamesstanleyNo problem
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10:04.38loevborgHelp! I remotely upgraded sarge to etch and now it doesn't start anymore. Nothing in /var/log/messages. Any ideas where to look?
10:04.45soulchildHi all,... does ICQ in Pidgin  not work anymore ??? I get: "Client-Version is too old, update from pidgin.im"
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10:05.22jamesstanleysoulchild, this was on SlashDot recently. Apparently they changed it. If you upgrade Pidgin by installing from source, it should work.
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10:05.41jamesstanleyloevborg, what do you mean 'does't start anymore'?
10:05.53jamesstanley*doesn't
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10:05.55soulchildjamesstanley: yes but building the dependencies takes over 150 MB
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10:06.07jamesstanleysoulchild, that's what you get for using ICQ. :)
10:06.21soulchildjamesstanley: i also use msn
10:06.28jamesstanleyYou may be able to set the ICQ version in the Pidgin config file
10:06.33jamesstanleyI can't help you with that though
10:06.56loevborgjamesstanley: I can't ping the server (it's in a data centre)
10:07.09jamesstanleyloevborg, is the server on?
10:07.15loevborgjamesstanley: I can boot into a rescue system, which works
10:07.31jamesstanleyDo you have the messages from the kernel at boot time?
10:07.35loevborgjamesstanley: yes, I can remotely reboot, but the system doesn't come up
10:07.42loevborgjamesstanley: no, there's no serial console
10:07.46jamesstanleyYeah but, at boot, the kernel prints tons of messages
10:07.47jamesstanleyOK.
10:07.47prahalanybody ever used mudflap with debian ? I have an issue that if I use to compile xcb no program start afterwards : vim for example fails with mf: dlsym("calloc") == NULL Aborting
10:07.53jamesstanleyCan you ask someone at the data centre what happened?
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10:08.10prahalany idea what does this mean (calloc is not defined as per mudflap ?)
10:08.10jamesstanleyI mean, loevborg, ask them what it says when it boots
10:08.11loevborgjamesstanley: no, it's a cheap plan with no support
10:08.28jamesstanleySorry loevborg, I don't know what else to suggest
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10:09.01jamesstanleysoulchild, have you asked in #pidgin?
10:09.34loevborgjamesstanley: thanks...
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10:10.51vltloevborg: Anything in /var/log/boot?
10:11.29loevborgvlt, can there be something in that file, but nothing in /var/log/syslog or /messages?
10:12.00jamesstanleyloevborg, what is the output of the command 'dmesg'?
10:12.00streunerIs there a way to limit bandwidth for NFS?
10:12.07jamesstanleyDoes it say anything about a kernel panic loevborg?
10:12.23loevborgjamesstanley: remember, I can't access the system
10:12.28jamesstanleyOh yeah
10:12.32vltloevborg: syslog and messages need running log daemons (I think)
10:12.35wolsstreuner: iptables QoS?
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10:13.38vltloevborg: ... while an activated boot.log is written by, hmmm, somting else ...
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10:14.04wolsvlt: bootlogd
10:14.49loevborgvlt, interesting
10:15.07loevborgfor some reason now the system comes up
10:15.08streunerwols: sure
10:15.38wolsstreuner: I meant for you to look into it :)
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10:15.49wolsNFS uses random ports? if so maybe l7-filter
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10:17.47dayaMy system, have not shutdown, reboot and halt command, I suspect its due to some trojan and rootkits, how to track it,
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10:20.51streunerwols: sure
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10:21.23prahalhum I found a pointer to that fact that my mudflap issue may be worked around by avoiding -lc in the linker flags . Is this -lc automatically added by libtool (in which case I am out of clue how to avoid it ...)
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10:27.41wolsprahal: -lc is your C runtime library
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10:29.20prahalwols, I know though I guessed mudflap may call it on its own from the fact http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=perl5-porters&a=2007-07&t=4794747 tells it fixed the problem about dlsync not working (and that the program seems to work afterwards).
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10:30.01prahalProbably mudflap have to be linked before libc (never knew ordering matters just a guess)
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10:32.20gnunixguyjust a quick question.... Why do most of the GUI tools require gnome and cups deps?
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10:34.45wolsgnunixguy: I very much doubtxfce or kde stuff needs gnome libs...
10:35.05gnunixguynot kde specific stuff
10:35.10loevborgthanks guys
10:35.14prahalgnunixguy, they do not require the gnome desktop . Only gnome libraries (well only the gnome applications)
10:35.25streunergnunixguy: gtk-based stuff...
10:35.29enoufgtk libs, not gnome
10:35.57jamesstanleyDoes anyone know why Apache would give a 200 OK and server index.php with a request like 'DFSDFSD / HTTP/1.0'?
10:35.57gnunixguyfor exampe "mysql-gui-tools-common" requires cups and several gnome libs
10:36.00streunerenouf: and GNOME is based on qt-libs, right? ;-)
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10:36.38enoufstreuner: heh
10:36.46themillgnunixguy: it would have been easier for you to ask that specific question to begin with...
10:36.49gnunixguyi found a gui tool that didnt require cups or gnome libs, but the most applicably named pkg requires stuff i dont want on my system :)
10:36.56wolsgnunixguy: mysql-gui-tools-common has no dependencies. it doesn't need anything
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10:37.43ffjHow can I add more possiblw fonts to select from in my gnome-terminal font configuration screen?
10:37.50themillgnunixguy: mysql-admin, however, is written using the gtk+ toolkit. So you need to have it installed...
10:38.12gnunixguywols: on my system it reqs avahi-utils, cups, cups-client, cups-common, cupsys, foomatic-db, and several gnome libraries...
10:38.22gnunixguyyeah, i think thats what i went with themill
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10:38.39wolsgnunixguy: it does not. mysql-gui-tools-common has NO dependencies, only mysql-admin recommends
10:38.44themillgnunixguy: no it doesn't
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10:39.04gnunixguyneed me to SS it?
10:39.05wolsgnunixguy: disable recommends in your apt config then
10:39.16gnunixguynot trying to pick a fight or anything, i swear :)
10:39.17wols!depends mysql-gui-tools-common
10:39.22dpkgmysql-gui-tools-common: does not depend on anything
10:39.26wolsgnunixguy: we neithre. you're just mistaken
10:39.27enoufheh
10:39.41gnunixguyokay, remove the recommends? ill give that a shot
10:40.02wolsno remove the recommends but set your apt config not to install recommends
10:40.09wolsand last but not least: gtk is not gnome
10:40.39gnunixguynote: Im coming from Arch Linux, so Im used to a very slim-lined install
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10:42.37pekaIf I have one lib-file in /usr/lib, but I'm getting errors because it is missing/wrong version in /lib, can I just copy/paste it?
10:42.59peka(It's the libospf with Quagga if it has something to say)
10:43.09wolsrun ldconfig, that should solve it
10:43.16wolsif not: error messages please
10:43.55peka"Command node 33 doesn't exist, please check it"
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10:44.44pekaNot sure which of the libospf-files that should be copied as there are 10 different ones... :S
10:45.08wolsldd <app you want to run>
10:45.12wolsand most of those files are symlinks
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10:46.00ffjHow can I find good package sources?
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10:46.20aleksanteri_ffj: the main debian repository?
10:46.25wolsffj: /msg dpkg mirrors   /msg dpkg sources.list
10:47.32wolspeka: btw, that error you gave doesn't look like it has says "erong library", does it?
10:47.38pekawols: "ldd: exited with unknown exit code (126)"
10:47.57enouf!tell ffj -about grounding
10:48.14wolspeka: you have more serious issues then
10:48.16pekawols: I figured that as I found a topic with similar problem, where that seemed to be the solution
10:48.23enoufwols: (he was asking about fonts in another channel just prior to here)
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10:48.31enoufwols: (ffj that is)
10:48.39wols!tell ffj about msttcorefonts
10:49.02pekawols: serious as in....? :o
10:49.09enoufhrm, what about xclient-base or something? or ..
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10:49.39wolspeka: serious as in "the basic system seems to be fucked"
10:49.41enouf<PROTECTED>
10:50.02wolsenouf: more like apt-cache search xfont
10:50.14enouf(he's trying to get them to be available to gnome-terminal, IINM)
10:50.18enoufok
10:50.20pekawols: sounds strange as I'm sitting on a clean install of both debian and quagga...
10:50.37wolswhat was the ldd command you used?
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10:50.52enoufno idea where this sources question came from, i asked him to /join here, and msg the bot
10:50.53aleksanteri_now my client behaves weird
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10:51.12aleksanteri_hmm yeah, it even puts this into the wrong channel
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10:51.55wolsenouf: easy. he wants "cool" sources to get more fonts
10:52.09enoufwols: hehe
10:52.14pekatried both "ldd quagga" and "ldd libospf.a"
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10:52.54wolswhere is this quagga from? debian?
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10:53.07pekayes...
10:53.10enoufwols: what's that factoid that belittles those that need to have the 'latest and greatest' (it's not !need) but pertains more to obsessive software upgrades
10:53.21pekaget-apt install using debian-mirror
10:53.53wolsdunno
10:54.10themillenouf: versionsmite or version chasing perhaps?
10:54.28enoufthemill: perhaps .. hrm, lessee
10:54.34themilldpkg: versionsmite enouf
10:54.35dpkgupgrades enouf to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>)
10:55.02enoufahh
10:55.08enouf!sns syndrome themill
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10:55.15enoufgah!
10:55.20themillit's not a cmd
10:55.21enouf!sns
10:55.21dpkgsomebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
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10:55.47enoufthat's the baby ;-)
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10:58.49wols!tell peka about msg
10:59.37pekawols: the "dunno" was directed to me right?
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11:05.37\bin\tclshhello
11:06.11\bin\tclshwhen i have libstdc++6 and -dev installed, when i try open vncviewer i get this error vncviewer: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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11:06.24\bin\tclshgoogleing i found a package that is for ubuntu, but no solution for debian
11:06.42wolswhat exact version of libstdc++? and how did oyu install the vncviewer?
11:07.04themilland which vncviewer is it?
11:07.27\bin\tclshlibstdc++6 from apt-get, and i downloaded the vncview that is in realvnc.com -- VNC 4.1.2 Binary Distribution for Unix platform
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11:07.44wolsBl4ckcomb: EXACT verion
11:08.03enoufand what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6" say?
11:08.27Bl4ckcombwols: wrong highlight?
11:08.28\bin\tclshlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 jun 22 19:37 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 -> libstdc++.so.6.0.10
11:08.43themillwhy not just use the debian package for xvncviewer?
11:08.54\bin\tclshi did not knew it exists
11:08.55enoufand what does "ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10" say?
11:08.55\bin\tclshi go try
11:09.10\bin\tclshenouf: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 946216 jun 11 05:34 /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10
11:09.20enoufgood
11:09.20themilldpkg: tell \bin\tclsh about search
11:09.39themill\bin\tclsh: always prefer debian packages to grabbing things from random websites...
11:10.08\bin\tclshwell, realvnc is the official web of vnc develop
11:10.15\bin\tclshbut i prefer apt also
11:10.17\bin\tclshthanks
11:10.33themill\bin\tclsh: there are lots of different vnc applications around.
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11:10.53wolsBl4ckcomb: yes. \bin\tclsh has such a braindead nich
11:10.56wols*nick
11:11.03wols!nickometer \bin\tclsh
11:11.04dpkg'\bin\tclsh' is 14.000% lame, wols
11:11.11\bin\tclshheh
11:11.17\bin\tclshwhat about hackemate?
11:11.22\bin\tclshis it worse?
11:11.53Sentenciathis is the real nick, that probably you dont understand
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11:12.22themillWe don't care what you call yourself, as long as it's easy for us to type...
11:12.46Sentenciaso dont use !nickometer, some rude guy can get offensed
11:12.55Sentencianot my case though, i appreciate your job
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11:13.40wolsSentencia: I don't give a damn if you are offended if you have a braindead nick
11:14.11wolsit's in your own best interest to have a halfway sensible one
11:14.21enoufthough i too think \something-nick kind of stinks - the really shitty ones are the ones that require a Shift+? as 1st character. like for ex;  ~dumbass
11:14.25Sentenciai only come here to learn tcl in channel called tcl, randomly i came to this channel because i always get nice and kind help
11:14.33Sentenciasorry if my nick sounds lame, probably i am
11:14.40Sentenciaif i change it, is for easy nick completion
11:14.46enoufSentencia: nah, that's a nice now ;-)
11:14.51wolsenouf: I need altgr for ~
11:15.02enoufwols: ugh
11:15.35themillhands wols a US PC101 keyboard and an ASCII chart and says "that should be enough for you"...
11:16.05wolsenouf: if you want a really ugly nick: 19:44 <+{[]}-|_\^`>
11:16.09wolsand no, this is no joke...
11:16.18themilleww
11:16.19enoufhides
11:16.20wolshe regularly uses this
11:16.48themillneeds a good larting.
11:16.49wolsthemill: as you well know I can't handle my native german keyboard. now guess what happens with a US one...
11:17.00Sentenciathat guy forget -
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11:18.13themillwols: we'll have to run you through y/zq/qz/, I guess...
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11:21.08Crypticfortunei'm trying to set up sa-exim, followed the stuffs in the sa-exim/readme, but for some reason all of my mail ends up getting flagged "X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on foo.bar); Unknown failure", and in my exim4/mainlog it shows with "Action: SA didn't successfully run against message, accepting"... what could be causing that?
11:21.54Ox41464bHow do i select boot options while booting? i need to run on single user mode
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11:22.24streunerwb(r) abrotman
11:22.32abrotmanhi
11:22.38Crypticfortune0x41464b: if you're running grub you can hit e on the grub menu and edit the boot options at boot time
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11:23.06Ox41464bCrypticfortune, um... its too fast, after mobo-logo, its directly go to "login"
11:23.15abrotmanthat's an O .. not a 0
11:23.20enoufyou actually typed out that nick?
11:23.32enoufyou certainly didn't tab complete ;-)
11:23.34Ox41464benouf, anything wrong with being AFK ?
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11:23.52Ox41464boh... nvm o_O
11:24.02Crypticfortuneenouf: when it didn't tab complete, i just typed it. call me crazy =P
11:24.04wolsOx41464b: what bootloader?
11:24.10enoufhaha
11:24.12streuner!nickometer Ox41464b
11:24.13dpkg'Ox41464b' is 44.000% lame, streuner
11:24.22Ox41464bwols, no idea...
11:24.30enouftweaks nickometer
11:24.33Ox41464bMissing root password... :/
11:24.42wolsOx41464b: what debian version?
11:24.57Ox41464bwols, hold on
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11:25.19enoufhaha, he's going to google for correct debian version names :-P
11:25.53Ox41464benouf, My mates stuck on IDC for this
11:25.54streunernot a good sign, if you even don't know what version of Debian you are actually running...
11:25.59wolsenouf: and I will give him debian help for what version he brings. it probably won't work with his non debian, but I don't care
11:26.03Ox41464benouf, i need to call him first
11:26.33ArthurArchnixwhat's the best way to disable hardware at boot? I used to put something like rmmod e100 in my rc.local, but after suspend resume it gets reloaded. If I rename the e100.ko file to e100.disabled, will the kernel just give up, or will it try to initialize the ethernet card with a less suitable driver?
11:26.38Ox41464bwols, didnt written on login screen; its only said: GNU/Linux 3.9; and 'e' button didnt works
11:26.43wols!tell ArthurArchnix about blacklist
11:26.58ArthurArchnix:P maybe not the best way.... bios would be the best way, but my laptop bios ain't that great.
11:27.01wolsOx41464b: there is no debian 3.9 ever. this is not debian and you're in the wrong channel
11:27.02Ox41464berr... GNU/Linux 3.0*
11:27.26Ox41464bwols, its debian now? o_O
11:27.45wolsOx41464b: that is woody. long long end of lifed.
11:27.45anddamI have handmade lilo.conf, can I switch to an automanaged one that updated with linux images?
11:27.58wolsOx41464b: he needs to boot from CD in rescue mode then
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11:28.15zxxxdhi
11:28.18wolsanddam: you can. any special reason you use lilo?
11:28.27zxxxdwhat's the difference between compat and file in /etc/nsswitch.conf
11:28.37anddamwols: I used it for like 10 years
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11:28.43ArthurArchnixwols... yeah, I used to use blacklist too, but then the comments at the top of the file made me think it's not correct to do it this way: " This file lists modules which will not be loaded as the result of alias expansion, with the purpose of preventing the hotplug subsystem to load them. It does not affect autoloading of modules by the kernel."
11:28.52anddamwols: is that special enough?
11:29.03anddamwols: oh and grub didn't installed fine when I tried
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11:29.12ArthurArchnixSo.. I rc.local them out of the system, then add them to blacklist to prevent reloading is what you're saying.
11:29.17wolsanddam: no. peple use windows 98 for 10 years too. doesn't mean it's a good thing to use
11:29.30wolsArthurArchnix: no, I say to blacklist them only
11:29.47Ox41464bwols, but 98se its good for them who run on p2;p3 with only 128 memory :D
11:30.07ArthurArchnixwols: Ok.. I'lll give it another shot. Pretty sure I tried it, but maybe I messed up. Thanks.
11:30.09wolsOx41464b: I run debian with X on such a box just fine
11:30.10anddamwols: not having any special needs on this box lilo is fine enough to me
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11:30.16enoufArthurArchnix: if it loads from initrd, you need to follow advice wols gave you - er "/msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs"
11:30.25anddamOx41464b: I use a p2
11:30.36anddamOx41464b: but I wouldn't run 98 anyway
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11:31.01wolsanddam: adding new kernels to lilo works hoever just as it does with grub
11:31.34anddamwols: but it's not automatically done atm
11:31.55wolscause you haven't configured it yet
11:31.58enoufand out of curiosity which rc.local file? there are atleast two - but you're deaf
11:32.05enouferm dead, i meant
11:32.08anddamwols: how can I?
11:32.15wolscat /etc/kernel-img.conf
11:32.22enoufindeed
11:32.29enoufand man that as well
11:32.47anddamwols: do_symlinks and do_initrd Yes
11:33.04anddambut apt didn't create new links when I installed kernel image I built with make-kpkg
11:33.11enoufthere's also /etc/kernel-pkg.conf  (not sure if applicable offhand)
11:33.15anddamanyway I'm going to read man page
11:33.17wolsa symlink is not a lilo entry
11:33.44wolsthe hooks are the important thing
11:33.51anddamwols: I said that just to state that even if it is "Yes" symlinks in /boot were not updated on last kernel image install
11:33.58anddamwols: what hooks ?
11:34.17enoufanddam: hrm , who made the kernel pkg? a debian one? or your own?
11:34.31wolsenouf: doesn't matter
11:34.37anddammy own, a couple day ago from latest git and using make-kpkg mantra with initrd
11:34.41wolsthose postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub
11:35.05Ox41464bwols: a little guide please; while typing "passwd" its return: unknown uid 0
11:35.08anddamwols: I have only two lines, now hooks
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11:35.16anddamwols: s/now/no/
11:35.23enoufwols: i was asking so i could point him to docs
11:35.36enoufwols: but nm, it's not going to help
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11:35.47wolsOx41464b: no root account. look in /etc/passwd
11:36.16wolsanddam: and you don't get your kernels added cause they are missing. for whatever reason
11:36.44enoufanddam: look at this http://pastebin.ca/raw/1061231
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11:36.58anddamwols: ah I see, do_symlinks refers to /vmlinuz not /boot/vmlinuz
11:37.10anddamlink_in_boot
11:37.13anddamman page is great
11:37.17enoufanddam: adapt yours according to your needs
11:37.44enoufOT but hysterical site http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
11:37.45anddamwols: coould you explain "you don't get your kernels added " further?
11:37.55anddamenouf: he is a great man
11:38.07anddamenouf: I already know the best page
11:38.12wolsanddam: "cause you are missing the hooks"
11:38.16wolsadded to your lilo config
11:38.26anddamgreat comics too
11:38.33anddamwols: I understand
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11:38.44Legalityoh crap
11:38.56Legalityhey, I just ran crontab -r by accident, in what file is this data located?
11:38.58LegalityI have backups
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11:39.21wolsanddam: look into update-lilo
11:39.26anddamI will
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11:39.50Legalityanyone?
11:40.21Legalitycontab for root?
11:40.25Legality*crontab
11:40.43SlayerXP/var/spool/crontabs/root
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11:42.01Legalitythank god for r1soft
11:42.05cvnhi is there a way to transfer files from one server to another?
11:42.22Legalityrsnyc?
11:42.26Legalityrsync
11:42.29wolscvn: sftp
11:42.35wolscvn: tons of ways
11:42.48SlayerXPcvn: that's the dumbest question of the day, congrats.
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11:42.53gnunixguyyeah, lotsa ways, just depends on what you want to transfer
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11:43.17wolsSlayerXP: so far. the day is young
11:43.19cvnSlayerXP no questions are dumb. your message may be the dumbest one, congrats!
11:43.32gnunixguyhas too many SSH auth keys for different OS's installed ;(
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11:44.07SlayerXPwols: good point
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11:46.17et"There are no dumb questions" is just the credo of the stupid people
11:47.32gnunixguydumb questions normally refer to questions asked by someone who is not informed about the subject or doesnt know how to ask the right question to get the right answer for that particular problem...
11:47.41enoufcvn: just ask a detaled or specific question please .. and tell us what your requirements are, and which protocols you are familiar with
11:47.53SlayerXPif anyone really thinks there are no stupid questions, I'm very happy to provide a comprehensive list
11:47.54enoufcvn: or 'methods'
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11:49.05SlayerXP"I was caught driving whilst drunk in a stolen car, is this likely to affect my insurance premium?"
11:49.08enoufmost manu warning labels are a nice list :-P like "Do not use Toaster Oven directly while showering"
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11:49.40gnunixguyROFL slayerxp
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11:50.05enoufso obviously, at one point, someone, somewhere asked themselves; "hrm, i wonder if i could blow dry my partner's hair while we're showering"
11:50.29gnunixguyjust another example of how stupid some people can be
11:51.02enouf"I'm on death row now, do you think they"
11:51.03gnunixguyooh.. i think I'll pour this hot coffee on my lap... lets see if steaming hot coffee burns
11:51.10enouf"I'm on death row now, do you think they'll still let me vote"
11:51.11enouf?
11:51.44pekaHow do I remove a program completely from system?
11:52.07egnsapt-get purge
11:52.08enouf"Should i ask if i can register a Firearm? Do you think they'll give me a Permit to Carry?"
11:52.10anddamenouf: why do you have do_bootloader = no ?
11:52.22enoufanddam: i forget - one sec
11:52.23tarzeauegns: config files and debconf entries, and generated files are not removed
11:52.53wolstarzeau: purge doesn't remove config files?
11:52.58anddamI think I have to use do_bootloader and hook update-lilo
11:53.04tarzeauwols: only the ones in etc, not the ones in ~
11:53.05anddamand I want link_in_boot
11:53.09egnstarzeau» yeah...
11:53.19wolstarzeau: yes but it does remove config files
11:53.24tarzeauwols: true
11:53.25Crypticfortunetarzeau: well yes, obviously. anything in ~ was made by you, not apt-stuff
11:53.41tarzeauCrypticfortune: or the software
11:53.59Crypticfortunetarzeau: the software that you must have used to make them ;)
11:54.13tarzeauCrypticfortune: software can also create highscore files
11:54.17tarzeauCrypticfortune: they are not in ~
11:54.47enoufanddam: i think i was playing with many kernels and versions and testing boot, so i didn't want it auto running update-grub (the post-install hooks, as the man page mentions and my file preferences are set to) .. i like to configure it manually
11:54.49anddamwols: update-lilo redirect to liloconfig that is interactive, it seems not well suited for a hook
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11:55.11enoufanddam: but last time i booted was ~ 6 months ago, so i forget exactly :-P
11:55.41wolsanddam: then you need probably some parameter(s)
11:55.49anddamenouf: I'd just like to have lilo run, I don't need to change the config
11:56.22enoufwols: do you know if confmiss still works on a pkg if --purge was used?
11:56.40enoufanddam: what?
11:56.44abrotmanif it's been purged .. there are no conf files remaining
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11:56.53wolsenouf: if purged debconf is always run
11:56.57abrotmanso confmiss is kind of pointless
11:57.01enoufbut the pkg (.deb) might still exist
11:57.06abrotmanand?
11:57.11enoufthat's where it would grab the conf files from
11:57.14abrotmanthe state is pn
11:57.16abrotmaninstead of rc
11:57.24anddamI have a lilo.conf that has just /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/vmlinuz.old (optional) so I think I'll just go with a hook to "/sbin/lilo"
11:57.43wolsanddam: if I rm /etc/apache2/ there aren't any config files either but I need confmiss when I reinstall it then
11:57.46anddamwhen installing a new kernel image links in /boot will be updated and lilo will be run
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11:58.16anddamwols: I'm not sure why you told me that...
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11:58.42wolsshould have told abrotman
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11:58.48enoufhe meant me and maybe peka
11:58.57enoufor abrotman  :-P
11:59.13abrotmanwols: huh ?
11:59.20abrotmanwols: if it's purged or simple removed ?
11:59.26enoufstarts with an 'a' :-P
11:59.26liableeither
11:59.30abrotmannot either
11:59.33liableyes
11:59.36enoufboth?
11:59.44abrotmanif you purge apache2.2-common .. reinstalling it hsould recreate /etc/apache2/
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11:59.52wolsabrotman: if it's removed
11:59.53liabledoesnt
12:00.07liableif you delete the dir manually, you need to use confmiss
12:00.15abrotmanhowever .. if you remove apache2.2-common .. and then rm /etc/apache2/ .. the package system thinks the conf files are still there .. and that's when confmiss is required
12:00.19abrotmanif you purge it .. it doesn't care
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12:00.48enoufabrotman: how about if you rm /etc/apache2 prior to apt-get remove
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12:01.07lorhi guys
12:01.13lorho do I remote install a debian?
12:01.16abrotmanenouf: purge or remove?
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12:01.30enoufboth, as i imagine each will behave differently
12:01.39abrotmanpurge should freak out .. remove shouldn't
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12:01.50enoufhehe freak out
12:02.03enouflike wow man :-)
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12:02.11abrotmanpurge should whine because the conf files are already gone .. which is why we have to tell some people here to 'touch /etc/foo/foo.conf` before they can purge a package
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12:02.33enoufrighto - OR reinstall, then --purge remove, eh?
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12:02.55enouftastes just like windows :-P ..
12:02.57enoufhides
12:03.21Niklas-_Hmm.. Should the 'grub' package for amd64 contain a 32bit /usr/sbin/grub ?
12:03.41enoufi think there's only 32bit grub1 .. not certain
12:04.07uwsMy system has 3 pulseaudio related groups:  pulse, pulse-access, pulse-rt.  To which of those should I add myself? And what are those for anyway?
12:04.20aleksanteri_Niklas-_: $ apt-file list grub |grep /usr/sbin/grub => grub: /usr/sbin/grub
12:04.24aleksanteri_i guess yeah
12:04.25enoufsee #ubuntu ? :-P
12:04.31abrotmanenouf: now .. can you tell me how to let cyrus retain the mail on the filesystem when i don't want it to allow delivery to the user?
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12:04.57enoufabrotman: gah, i haven't seen a Matrix movie in years now! :-P
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12:05.20DASPRiDhey there, i'm running ubuntu gutsy on my server and have a problem with php5-gd. it is installed, but "php -v" gives me: "PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/gd.so' - libgd.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0". and yes, the gd.so file is there
12:05.20enoufabrotman: i wish i could help, but i know nothing about email systems
12:05.25Niklas-_But how am i supposed to install grub? I'm using the Debian netboot image, and in the error console i get this: /usr/sbin/grub: cannot execute binary file
12:05.34enoufabrotman: oh wait? can'
12:05.53enoufcan't you just disable the user's mail or account or passwd?
12:06.01enoufor whatever that option is in usermod?
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12:06.25enouf(just a thought)
12:06.25abrotmanenouf: ignore :)
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12:07.24Stonekeeperhi. are there kvm packages for etch? I can't find them
12:07.57wolsStonekeeper: if pdo doesn't have them: no.
12:08.05wolsdunno if 2.6.18 even had kvm
12:08.37enoufStonekeeper: backports.org?
12:08.41enoufoh, duh
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12:08.51enouf!latesmite me
12:09.02Stonekeeperoh :/ i thought kvm stuff was standard kernel stuff these days
12:09.31enouf2.6.18 came out when Stonekeeper ?
12:09.36wolsabrotman: and where should your delivery agent store the mail when cyrus won't accept it?
12:09.56abrotmanwols: reject it back .. invalid user
12:09.57Stonekeeperenouf: hmm not sure
12:10.02enoufStonekeeper: it certainly didn't come out "these days"
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12:10.31wolsdoesn't it do that already? what happens?
12:10.38abrotmando what?
12:10.46wolsreject the mail
12:10.48abrotmanthe user did exist ..
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12:10.53abrotmanor currently still does ...
12:11.15abrotmani want the system to not accept mail anymore .. but userdel and turning off their saslpass does nothing
12:11.20Niklas-_Isn't there a way to install a bootloader when using a 64bit kernel?
12:11.42abrotmanbut i'm fairly certain that 'dm' in the cyradm will purge the whole box from the filesystem(which i don't want) ..
12:11.51wolsabrotman: how does MTA decide user exists?
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12:12.08abrotmanwols: postfix passes to cyrus IIRC
12:12.14wolsno
12:12.32wolsif there is no user in postfix table (usually system users) it won't accept the mail
12:12.34abrotmanuhm .. postfix doesn't know about the cyrus maildir-ish
12:12.35wolsand reject it
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12:12.42wolsbut it knows about users
12:12.53abrotmanbut it passes the mails to cyrus for processing IIRC
12:12.56wolseither via /etc/passwrd, virtual-users, mysql, etc
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12:13.09wolsnot if the user doesn't exist
12:13.10abrotmanthe user is gone from /etc/passwd .. and it still accepts mail
12:13.16abrotmanand i don't use virtual or mysql
12:13.19abrotmanit does
12:13.25wolsagain: how does postfix know what users are there?
12:13.27abrotmanyou can argue it all you want .. it's still accepting mail
12:13.40|inuxmathI have snd_hda_intel sound card which is properly seen by alsaconf. Module snd_hda_intel is loaded, sound isn't muted according to alsamixer. But I still don't have any sounds.
12:13.45abrotmanmain.cf:mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/run/cyrus/socket/lmtp
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12:13.59abrotman!alsa checklist
12:13.59dpkg1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation.
12:14.22abrotmanwols: so it passes the mail to cyrus and then cyrus puts it in the right spot
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12:14.41abrotmancyrus decides which users exist and which don't
12:14.45wolsabrotman: no it does not. http://paste2.org/p/44591
12:14.59wolsabrotman: and I do have lmtp only as well
12:15.13abrotmanand in the master.cf also ?
12:15.23wolsif a user is not in the local recipient table, postfix immediately rejects it as it should
12:15.29abrotmannot here
12:15.38wolsabrotman: yes I use lmtp only
12:15.50wolsabrotman: last time: how does postfix verify existing users?
12:16.02abrotmanit doesn't
12:16.07wolsit does!
12:16.27wolsask #postfix
12:16.42abrotmaneverywhere the user did exist ... except the cyrus cyradm .. he's been removed
12:16.57abrotman(his $HOME still is there, but the user is gone from /etc/passwd)
12:17.24wolscreates a cyrus abrotman
12:17.35liabledoes user still have a dri in spool?
12:17.40liabledir*
12:17.47abrotmanoh wait
12:18.25abrotmanSTR something about cyrus copying files around
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12:18.44|inuxmathabrotman, do i have to login as root to add myself to audio group? can't i use sudo?
12:19.22wolsabrotman: PM ok?
12:19.26abrotman|inuxmath: you can use sudo if you have it configured .. debian does not by default
12:19.29abrotmanwols: sure
12:19.57abrotmanwait .. i wasn't dressed!
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12:27.14|inuxmathabrotman, when im trying to play a wav file with aplay it says http://pastebin.com/m40e3445e
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12:28.09abrotmanyou don't have DSP stuff? no idea
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12:30.59enouf|inuxmath: drop the leading |
12:31.01enoufplease
12:31.09enoufand cat /proc/asound/cards
12:31.13enoufpastebin it
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12:31.20enoufalong with lsmod | grep snd
12:31.31enoufand dpkg -l alsa* | grep ^.i
12:31.51enoufand "msg dpkg alsa checklist"
12:31.55enoufand "/msg dpkg alsa checklist"
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12:33.10|inuxmathenouf, http://pastebin.com/m179b19e9
12:33.55enoufinstall alsa-oss
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12:34.03NyleGoodmorning
12:34.13enoufand follow through with the checklist
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12:35.19|inuxmathenouf, aplay doesnt play wav, what alsa-oss got to do with that?
12:35.31enoufdon't then, see if i care
12:35.41rwaiteha
12:36.18RichiHhmm, is toolize available in debian under a different name?
12:36.20stew|inuxmath: what does 'cat /proc/asound/version' return?
12:36.33stewRichiH: libtoolize?  or what is toolize?
12:36.40RichiHstew: libtoolize
12:36.50RichiHi can't find it in my current testing
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12:37.24RichiHand pdo is still down
12:37.30stewlibtool: /usr/bin/libtoolize
12:37.32streunerhm, but apt-cache?
12:37.44RichiHargh
12:37.48RichiHyah, i am stupid
12:37.48streuner!find libtoolize
12:37.51RichiHkicks self
12:37.55streunerRichiH: no
12:38.03streunerRichiH: the heat yesterday...
12:38.12stew!tell RichiH about search
12:38.18RichiHstreuner: yesterday? all week..
12:38.18liableheat makes you dumb?
12:38.20streunerstew: :-)
12:38.32RichiHstew: heh, i even deserved that
12:38.35stewcouldn't resist :)
12:38.38streunerRichiH: it was in Karlsruhe 36,2 C. ...
12:38.43dpkgDebian Search of 'libtoolize' (2): (/usr/bin/libtoolize) in devel/libtool ;; (/usr/share/autoconf-archive/ac_libtoolize_cflags.m4, /usr/share/doc/autoconf-archive/html/ac_libtoolize_cflags.html) in devel/autoconf-archive.
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12:39.24streuner!comfort RichiH
12:39.25dpkgThere, there, RichiH.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
12:39.36RichiHyah yah :p
12:39.52streunernot the bot :-)
12:40.03|inuxmathstew Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.14
12:40.46stew|inuxmath: yeah, many newer chips that would use snd-hda-intel have trouble on that older driver.  are you running stable aka etch?
12:40.49streunerhm, what's the command to convert celsius into fahrenheit again?
12:41.02enoufway to change your irritant nick, and way to follow through on the checklist plonk
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12:41.18stewstreuner: http://google.com/36.2+celcius+in+fahrenheit
12:41.22|inuxmathstew, testing. I'm performing dist-upgrade right now...
12:41.28streunerstew: nah, i meant via dpkg
12:42.22stew|inuxmath: if you are on testing, you should be grabbing a newer kernel.  2.6.24 would get you to alsa 1.0.15; if that still doesn't work, you can easily upgrade just alsa to 1.0.16: /msg dpkg newer alsa
12:42.23streunerdondelelcaro did, but it seems most of us just forgot :-)
12:42.26etstreuner: install ping via dpkg, then pingflood the bastard who uses fahrenheit
12:42.56streunerraises his eyebrow
12:43.14liablemonobrow!
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12:43.30streunerit seems the heat yesterday wasn't only for me :-)
12:43.34streunerbad*
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12:45.04streunerliable: you cannot talk about, you have an AC :-P
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12:45.18liablestreuner: i dont actually
12:45.29streunermoved to which city?
12:45.41liableim in perth now
12:45.45streuneroh
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12:46.44gnunixguyit hit 115 here yesterday
12:46.54gnunixguyand its already 90 outside i think
12:46.59gnunixguyphx, AZ USA
12:47.00SlayerXPthat's a bit cold
12:47.07SlayerXPit's about 295 here
12:47.23gnunixguy295 in what measure?
12:47.33SlayerXPkelvin, of course
12:47.33gnunixguyim talking Faranheit :(
12:47.36gnunixguyaha
12:47.36SlayerXPoh
12:47.45SlayerXPyou must be one of those creationist nutjobs
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12:48.01gnunixguyno, not i
12:48.13gnunixguyatheist actually :)
12:48.46gnunixguy319.111 Kelvin yesterday
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12:49.08liableheh
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12:49.30gnunixguyi have no qualms about conversions, as long as i know what to convert it to :)
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12:52.44abrotmanchange your nick!
12:53.07abrotmanstreuner: i think don disabled that
12:53.27streunerno, i don't think that too
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12:59.28crashanddiepackages.debian.org down ?
12:59.36liableyep
12:59.54liableat least *really* slow when i tried it hours ago
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13:00.00crashanddiealways fun when the main page shows normally
13:00.05crashanddieand when you do a search, it dies
13:00.16crashanddieyou can't help to think "did I do that ?"
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13:01.40nan4anybody prefering openvz over xen?
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13:03.10anddamwols: I can't see any option to let the system know what is the bootloader, am I missing something?
13:03.14herculeshi
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13:04.31wolsanddam: all I know that lilo in etch can use update-lilo
13:04.32nan4or any other alternative to xen (keypoints: amd64, stable, debian/etch)?
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13:05.43anddamwols: but update-lilo seems to be interactive and create another lilo.conf
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13:06.03anddamI don't actually need another lilo.conf I just have to run lilo
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13:06.28anddamI could use do_bootloader=no and hook postinst to lilo
13:06.41egnshow can i start debian with the numlock on?
13:06.54anddamsetkeys or so
13:07.11gwernhyia everyone. so I'm about to blow away my installation for various reasons, but I don't want to reinstall all ym packages manually
13:07.33gwernI remember there was some way to print out to a file all removed and instaleld packages, such that apt could read it and automatically restore it
13:07.49gwern(does anyone have any idea what this vaguely remembered technique was?)
13:07.57egnsanddam» thx
13:08.01asggwern: /msg dpkg clone
13:08.11anddamyw
13:08.12anddambye
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13:08.32asggwern: bah, dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --set-selections (the factoid is all buggered)
13:08.40gwernasg: thanks, but what does ' our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt)' mean?
13:08.55asggwern: wrong factoid, /msg dpkg debian clone
13:09.37gwernsees. alright, that makes sense and sounds right
13:09.38ShredZI keep getting an error on the var/run/mysqld/mysqld.socket, is there any way to reset this socket stuff ?
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13:12.53Zharfcould someone recommend some relatively fast paced game in deibna?
13:13.21Zharfthere's too many to just randomly choose from :)
13:13.45gnunixguyknetwalk :D
13:14.08asgZharf: bzflag can be quite fun
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13:14.19wolsZharf: enemy territory. any quake
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13:16.14Zharfknetwalk totally failed on wmii <.<
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13:17.01ZharfI think my other wmii crashed..
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13:17.58Zharfyeah, this is not a very wmii friendly game
13:18.16rgrI have hplip 2.8.5 installed in debian lenny. It can control my printer fine form the taskbar applet. All except "scan". It says it can not open the device. However the same USB device works when invoked from acquire from SANE using Gimp. Any ideas?
13:18.20CoolColdis there is way to create kernel package from the installed kernel?
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13:18.35CoolColdi need updated initrd image
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13:20.20Fox_1_hi
13:20.21Fox_1_people how can I rewrite http:///www.test.com/news/1 to http:///www.test.com/news/index.php?id=1
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13:21.12vadmesteFox_1_:  with what ? bash, c, jave ?
13:21.21Fox_1_php
13:21.26Fox_1_oh sorry
13:21.28crashanddieIs it possible to add an icon, or an image to a .deb ? Not as an application icon, but an icon for the .deb
13:21.30Fox_1_apache rewrite
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13:21.47Nyle#apache ?
13:22.00liablemod-rewrite
13:22.08crashanddieIn other words, maemo platform, debian based, ideas for a new package manager, do you think it's feasible to add an icon *into* a .deb that we could then retrieve easily, in order to show it in the package list ?
13:22.10liabletheres a ton of apache docs out there
13:22.12Fox_1_I know I need rule
13:22.26NinjaManFox_1_ : RewriteEngine on
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13:22.45Fox_1_:)
13:23.22NinjaManFox_1_: easier if I show you in a prvt msg
13:23.30Fox_1_no problem
13:23.32Fox_1_thanks
13:23.39NinjaManFox_1_: yw
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13:29.11Zharfmeh
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13:29.15Zharfstupid games don't support oss
13:29.57wolsZharf: which one?
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13:31.21stewit uses libsdl should should support both oss and alsa
13:31.34Zharfoh.. ah
13:31.46Zharfnow if I only could remember that environment variable sdl uses...
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13:32.25JonkoPAI want to backup /var/www and /home/jonkopa is tar cvfz sufficient for that?
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13:35.59Zharfmmmh
13:36.11asgJoelito: it should be though you need cvzf
13:36.22chowderhow would I link two directories together? i.e. /etc/x11R7/type1 anything that goes in that dir is rerouted to /etc/fonts/type1
13:36.52Joelitoasg: ?
13:37.02asgchowder: man ln (specifically the -s option)
13:37.07chowderkk
13:37.09asgJoelito: sorry, wrong nick
13:37.18asgJonkoPA: it should be though you need cvzf
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13:37.48JonkoPAasg, what is the difference between cvfz and cvzf?
13:38.05ZharfSDL_AUDIODRIVER=dma (or dsp) doesn't work either :o
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13:38.35stewJonkoPA: f expects a filename as an argument to follow, so it should be last
13:38.38sophacleshey all, i was playing around with creating debian packages last night. i got a couple of packages to build using a debian/rules file that was not a make file, it was a script that took the proper command line arg (target). Is there any debian policy that says /not/ to do this?
13:39.04stewsophacles: yes
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13:39.14stewsophacles: it must be a makefile according to policy
13:39.26JonkoPAstew, ah so with cvfz it's: tar cvfz test.tar.gz /somedir /dirtwo, but with tar cvzf it's /dir /dir2 test.tar.gz ?
13:39.52sophaclesstew ok. thanks. i still think it speaks highly of the tools that it works without it being a makefile :)
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13:40.43stewsophacles: you can create a one or two line makefile that just forwards to a script and still be policy compliant though
13:40.46\amethystJonkoPA: no, the problem is that some versions of tar might think cvfz means "create a tar file called z"
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13:41.00\amethystJonkoPA:  though AFAIK GNU tar doesn't behave that way
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13:41.33\amethystJonkoPA:  probably more old than recent
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13:42.20sophaclesstew, for work we've decided to make our internal products based on debian, so im working on a build system that automatically creates debian packages on checkins to the source tree (with an unstable and testing and stable branch for each software component) any experience and/or suggestions on a sane way of doing this?
13:42.22chowderasg: -s, --size print the size of each file, in blocks
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13:42.32chowder??? how would that help me link 2 directories?
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13:43.01themillchowder: man ln not man ls
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13:43.13chowderooo, ok
13:43.23chowderI read it too quickly
13:43.37\amethystJonkoPA:  I don't know if GNU tar has ever had the problem; it's more likely an issue with older Unixes
13:43.56deufraihi there. I'm having an issue with sha1sum on a debian etch. Results doesn't match what is generated by MySQL or any online sha1 generator --> http://debian.pastebin.com/mb9792cf
13:44.04deufraianyone bumped into this ?
13:44.23\amethystdeufrai:  echo appends a newline
13:44.26\amethystdeufrai:  use echo -n
13:44.47deufrai\amethyst: oh my. Should have plugged brain in. thanx
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13:46.14stewsophacles: if you are generating debs for multiple debian releases, i'd strongly recommend using pbuilder / cowbuilder.  but in general, it shouldnt' be hard.  you have to come up with a way to create a menaingful debian/changelog though (as that is where the version number comes from)
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13:49.14sophaclesstew, i was looking at pbuilder yesterday, seems like a very cool package.  as for the changelog... one thing im not really following is how dch -i decides to increment the version that exists, or add a +nmuX to the version
13:51.00SubidubiHallelujja testverek
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13:51.16stewsophacles: i would expect dch -i to always just bump the revision.  +nmuX should only happen with dch --nmu, but that might have recently changed.  i guess it must have recently changed since +nmuX is relatively new (a nmu used to be -N -> -N.1)
13:52.04stewsophacles: however, if it is appending +nmuX when you run dch -i, then it is most likely becuase the email address of the user running dch (as first determined by checking the DEBEMAIL env variable) doesn't match the Maintainer: address
13:52.19Luchiif i execute el alias nam_al="comand" , and then i close the konsole. When i open it again the alias remains store??
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13:52.50stewLuchi: no, if you want it to be persistent, add that alias to a dotfile: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles
13:53.18Luchithanks stew i will try to do that
13:53.23kazolI want to install Debian to a server so that the resulting installation will not have a GUI. Is the netinstall cd ok?
13:53.33themillstew, sophacles: the latest version of dch tries to automatically see if it's an NMU if the packager is neither the Maintainer or Uploader of the package. See the --nmu entry in the man page.
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13:54.25sophaclesthemill, stew : thanks, there it is in the man page! amazing how much better i can comprehend it after ive slept some :) Thanks for the help guys
13:54.39themill:)
13:54.44stewu
13:55.42scibotHi, I am using a Asus EEE with a 800x480 screen and I was looking to play 640x480 games fullscreen, by default it stretches the width to match the screen and I was wondering if there was a way to just sit at a real 640 width in the middle of the screen.
13:55.44stewi probably need to upgrade devscripts, i'm way behind on updating my machines
13:56.01kazolAnyone? Could I specify in the netinstall cd for it to not include a gui?
13:56.11liablekazol: of course
13:56.23stewkazol: just don't install the "Desktop" task
13:56.27kazolok
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13:56.41stewkazol: just "Standard System" or whatever
13:56.41kazolAnother thing, is anyone here familiar howto install software RAID-5?
13:56.48themillstew: yeah... I was bitten the other day by the new checksum format being incompatible with the older version of debsign. Etch and Lenny are starting to diverge quite a lot in their build tools.
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13:57.54stewthemill: will if im uploading i do make sure to at least keep lintian up to date which caught that one for me, but i haven't upgraded in a few weeks other than the pbuilder chroots.  i'm too paranoid to actually upgrade mid-week
13:58.36Luchii'm sorry for my stupity stew, but i'm from argentina and sometimes english pages make me confuse
13:59.07Luchiwhat i want to do is to do an alias for de comand cd [path]
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13:59.40Luchifor example, to make a quick acces to my folder /home/......../luchi
13:59.54stewLuchi: assuming you use bash as your login shell, add the alias to ~/.bashrc
14:00.01Luchiok
14:00.05Luchithanks
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14:00.53HidemeI keep seeing "remote host address is the local host" in my exim4 logs when people try to use my webform, but normal email works. Any idea what it could be?
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14:03.13kazolHas anyone here installed software RAID-5?
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14:03.53halflife08kazol: yeah what about it
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14:06.11valdyn!tel kazol -about anyone
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14:07.54kazolhalflife08: The articles I could find online about software RAID-5 were all for after installation - how would I configure RAID-5 during installation?
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14:08.29dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
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14:08.52kazolhalflife08: I know howto do it in the partitioner, but most likely there are other steps involved.
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14:10.50kazolhalflife08: The i386 stable installation guide only mentions software RAID for preseeding.
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14:11.24chopskazol: I'm currently looking at section 6.3.2.2 where it mentions software RAID not for preseeding.
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14:11.49oskudehups, sorry :/
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14:12.49valdyni find it easier to setup raid and lvm after installation, even with / on raid
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14:13.20valdynmaybe once the installer gets a little better interface that could change
14:13.22chopsvaldyn: With the etch installer, I was actually pleasantly surprised at how easy LVM+crypt was to set up
14:13.36valdynchops: true, its easy
14:13.55chopsvaldyn: And by "easy", I mean "working flawlessly once I figured out which one of the ten possible ways of doing it from the installer actually works instead of leading to a blind alley."
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14:14.11chopsvaldyn: I realized after I typed that that my memory was being slightly optimistic :-)
14:14.31valdynchops: its easy as in you dont need to read documentation or manpages
14:14.39chopsvaldyn:
14:14.43valdynchops: but the interface is very inrritating
14:14.59chopsvaldyn: Right.  Which did actually surprise me quite a bit.  I was expecting a day or two of pain.
14:15.39chopsvaldyn: Is the current d-i interface more or less the same?
14:15.50valdynchops: i have only ever tried etch
14:16.00chopsvaldyn: k
14:17.20liablesame
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14:18.36flowerhi I want to build a rt kernel and following this tut: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17035&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0  , it says: You might want to disable Paravirtualization in make menuconfig. The Nvidia driver does not build against kernels with this enabled.  but I can't find it in menuconfig... and have an nvidia card
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14:19.37liableflower: hit / and type in paravertualisation
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14:20.06flowerliable, ok in menuconfig?
14:20.11liableyep
14:20.21flowerk I'll try, thanks
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14:22.06kazolchops: Thanks, but I'm not sure how I will install GRUB to each hd.
14:22.30kazolchops: If 1 hd fails, the other 2 will have to boot somehow...
14:23.19themilldpkg: wb
14:23.20dpkgthanks, themill.  It's good to be back.
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14:23.45flowerliable, is it recommend to do oldconfig before menuconfig?
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14:23.59chopskazol: I heard there's this thing called "google" that can search for things like "grub linux raid".
14:24.42liableflower: not really. you can copy over a debin config into it if you want a sane starting point.
14:25.24flowerok that good if you do it for the first time?
14:25.29stewflower: it is recommended if you are starting with a .config from another kernel version, but should otherwise be unnecessary
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14:25.59Scouthey i just installed apache2 and I am trying to change the DirectoryIndex but my apache2.conf does not have it listed anywhere in the conf file. Is this normal?
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14:27.45themillScout: If you can avoid editing apache2.conf by using conf.d/ or sites-enabled/ then that will make your life easier in the long term. (But yes, that's normal)
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14:28.35themillScout: something like:  echo "DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml" >> /etc/apache2/conf.d/dirindex.conf
14:28.40edistar_hi, when will a fixed version of finch/pidgin be in the lenny repos?
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14:29.01themillScout: If you want to get funky, then add <IfModule mod_dir.c> </IfModule> around that...
14:29.21Scoutthemill, thank you very much i'll try that. i have installed joomla which is an index.php but it keeps showing up the default "It Works!" which is the default index.html even though i have removed that file =/
14:30.04themillScout: You also need to comment out the rewrite in the default host config.
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14:31.04themilleither edit or copy /etc/apache2/sites-available/default and use a2ensite and a2dissite to enable/disable the relevant sites.
14:31.08Scoutthemill, thanks for your help, i'm not sure i follow on the rewrite
14:31.10Scoutok
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14:32.43themilldpkg: tell edistar_ about pidgin icq
14:34.25edistar_themill: thanks
14:34.34themill!why is pidgin not in testing
14:34.35dpkgpidgin is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pidgin
14:35.22edistar_themill: thanks again
14:35.26themillnp
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14:39.52scibotHmmm, anyone know if there's a tool that'll give me a pseudo-fullscreen of any window? (dropping the window decorations and not showing anything else.)
14:40.40nvzscibot: you mean like a window manager?
14:40.44nvzheh
14:41.11chopsnvz: He wants something most window managers won't do easily
14:41.18themillKDE does...
14:41.24nvzas does sawfish
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14:41.50elmarian6you can easily drop decorations with fluxbox
14:42.04nvzkde's wm is still called kwin isn't it?
14:42.12themillyes
14:42.21nvzI haven't seen it probably since the 2.x days or maybe early 3.x
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14:42.45nvzqt makes me want to barf and choak to death on it
14:43.16elmarian6ejje you better be using your ram for caching files instead of kde :P
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14:43.35liablegtk does the same to me
14:43.36scibotI am using XFCE at the moment, reason I'm asking is because a lot of games don't play nice with my widescreen, gets stretched when it changes the resolution to 4:3
14:44.06nvzI like gtk, but tk is just fugly
14:44.07liablescibot: you should try in #eeepc or #debian-eeepc on oftc
14:44.24nvzI've never in my life seen a tk ui that was even usable looking
14:45.21asgnvz: squil is usable
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14:46.21nvzI don't really go for the look, but I go for something that can provide the least nessicary to function in a clean way and not take up all a damn computers resources
14:46.40nvzcause I still just run whatever damn hardware I can find for nothing..
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14:46.47nvzand get by fine for what I do
14:47.56nvzI actually just got a Athlon Slot-A 750mhz system.. whoo hoo.. personally I'm trying to find someone who can actually use it so I don't have to just shit-can it.. heh.. those things heat up and the cooling system just isn't suffecient in that system
14:48.07prahalanyone ever used mudflap ? It seems it requires tricks to be used on shared libraries (something with the library search path ... maybe rpath added by libtool mess it .. I just don't know enough)
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14:50.17Scoutthemill: I created the dirindex.conf file you suggested and restarted apache. Now when I go to that page it asks me to download a file with no name. I didn't see anyting about rewrite anywhere, am I missing it?
14:51.06themill!php wants me to download still
14:51.07dpkgCarefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x).
14:51.29nvzhaha
14:52.00Scoutthemill, thanks will go read
14:52.05nvzI stay away from php, and hope to stay that way as long as I live
14:52.20nvztwo things I don't want to know anything about are heroin and php
14:52.29themillScout: I'm guessing that you've not yet got apache doing anything sensible with the php files...
14:52.43elmarian6you should try to avoid java as well :P
14:52.48scibotOkay found it, ALT+F11 in XFCE
14:52.49Scoutwell if i point it to index.php it all works great
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14:53.09nvzyeah.. I try do any and everything I need with python if its not so trivial I can manage with a simple shell script
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14:53.20themillScout: odd.
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14:53.42nvzI'd worked on learning perl but never actually put it to use so I don't really know it yet
14:53.42zwoxhi there
14:54.01nvzwhere? here? or over there in the corner?
14:54.25elmarian6if you like pyton syntax, you will have to type far more on perl
14:54.49elmarian6d u know of any good web framework for py?
14:54.59nvztwisted
14:55.09nvztwisted python
14:55.17nvzI gotta get that damn book
14:55.30elmarian6lol
14:55.38nvzmy friend had bought it for me I just never picked it up
14:55.53themillpoints the general discussion towards #debian-offtopic where it will be more welcome...
14:55.53nvzI got a good beginning python book, but I was pretty much past that when I got it
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14:57.30ArthurArchnixHey wols... just adding modules to blacklist doesn't prevent the kernel from loading them. I had to remove them with rmmod command in rc.local, and then add them to blacklist so that udev and hal don't reinitialize them after suspend resume.
14:57.43ArthurArchnixThis is in regards to your pointers of several hours ago
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14:58.01ArthurArchnixmy thanks though, as I think rc.local and blacklist is a better solution than renaming/removing the modules. :)
14:58.36snackywols: also, I love you
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14:59.10nvzArthurArchnix: are you sure you don't have them also listed in /etc/modules or something?
14:59.37ArthurArchnixnvz ... lemme check
14:59.41cahoot!blacklist
14:59.41dpkgIn etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".  IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>.  For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.  To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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15:00.16wolssnacky: I think you should rot in deepest hell
15:00.42ArthurArchnix!blacklist-initramfs
15:00.42dpkgrumour has it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local
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15:00.55ArthurArchnixahhhhhh
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15:01.31zwoxdoes anyone knows the ports used by kweather ?
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15:04.11fantomas_hi. I have problem with php+drupal on debian: all russian letters disappear from file names after uploading. Where could be the problem?
15:04.27fantomas_Tester on 2 different etches
15:04.32fantomas_tested*
15:04.42wols!tell fantomas_ about locales
15:04.47Heavy-Dhey guys, i'm testing the stability of one of my debian boxes. Any idea of a command line operation I can do to Max the cpu? and/or generate lots of activity to memory?
15:05.04mquinHeavy-D: cpuburn for the former
15:05.04vadmestezwox:  can you connect to weather server ?
15:05.10chopsHeavy-D: Parallel make is usually a pretty good test case
15:05.12valdyn!blacklist
15:05.13dpkgIn etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".  IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>.  For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>.  To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
15:05.15vadmestezwox:  I mean, does kweather works ?
15:05.19wolsHeavy-D: cpuburn, and memtest
15:05.25valdynArthurArchnix: you forgot about blacklist-initramfs
15:05.43zwoxkweatehr work, but i'm starting to reconfigure ma iptables rules on a debian sid/lfs
15:05.47fantomas_wols: I reconfigured locales 2 times. First I set default to KOI8-R, then to UTF-8. restarted system. no result.
15:05.51Heavy-Dmquin, wols: cpuburn, standard app or do I have to install it?
15:06.03zwoxand i can't remember what port is used to add an iptables rule
15:06.07ArthurArchnixvaldyn: forgot... didn't read about... I think so. Gonna reboot now and see for sure if I'm an ass.
15:06.10Heavy-Dchops: what is Parallel?
15:06.14vadmestezwox:  ok disable all your iptables rules
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15:06.24zwoxs/ma/my/ iptables
15:06.27vadmestezwox:  let's kweather connect to its server
15:06.27hd|laptophi all
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15:06.41fantomas_wols: how could locales affect php file naming?
15:06.43hd|laptopcan i disconnect an active tcp/ip connection via commandline?
15:06.44vadmestezwox:  and type netstat -A inet
15:06.51vadmestezwox:  at the same moment
15:06.53chopsHeavy-D: Something like 'make -j5' (runs five simultaneous compilations at a time)
15:06.55mquinHeavy-D: it's not in the base install but it's available via apt
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15:07.04hd|laptopany idea
15:07.21fantomas_Does anybody know how could Debian locales affect PHP file naming processing?
15:07.26Heavy-Dmquin, okay cool tahnks
15:07.26wolshd|laptop:you can set an iptables command
15:07.49hd|laptopwols: it's only one connection and i need it only once
15:07.49wolsfantomas_: php needs to have the proper local availeble to be able to use the encoding of the file
15:08.00chopsHeavy-D: Or for building a Debian package, 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=5" dpkg-buildpackage'
15:08.10zwoxvadmeste: yep, but i asked that just in case someone know, but doesn't matter, i'll use netstat to see
15:08.10Heavy-Dchops: Cool thanks :)
15:08.13zwoxthank you
15:08.18fantomas_wols: ok. So I probably have to look into php settings?
15:08.42vadmestezwox:  you are in debian channel, at least join #kde
15:08.43hd|laptopwols: to be more detailed: i run an irc bouncer, and my dsl connection got f***ed up during the connect, and now it's hook up, because it only can deal with only one connection a time
15:08.43hd|laptopand the old connection is stuck
15:08.47Heavy-DOoh lovely! error message [ 232.826135 Buffer I/O error on device hdb1, logical block 117185987
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15:09.02hd|laptopwols: tcp       71      0 www.xxx.de:33405    ppp-62-216-216-66:35075 VERBUNDEN
15:09.10chopsHeavy-D: Looks like you got your stability test all right :-)
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15:09.18hd|laptopwols: this connection needs to be cancelled
15:09.25zwoxvadmeste: yep i'm sorry, i don't know why i asked that here...
15:09.25Heavy-Dchops: Yeah no kidding. I think my second hdd is knackered
15:09.37wolshd|laptop: if iptables disallows any traffic, it soon will be canceled on its own
15:09.41Heavy-Dchops: which is what I was concerned about
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15:09.58wolsHeavy-D: smartmontools. but look for a new one
15:10.14hd|laptopwols: there can't  be any traffic on this connection, but miau thinks there is...and I cant do this, as I only have ssh access :/
15:10.20Heavy-Dwols: Cool, thanks mate
15:10.37vadmestezwox:  no problem.. I meant just you are asking in the wrong channel
15:10.55wolshd|laptop: it will close. and what has ssh to do with iptables?
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15:11.26hd|laptopwols: you said to forbid all traffic
15:11.33hd|laptopwhich breaks the ssh^^
15:11.48ArthurArchnixok.. so uh yeah... forgot to update kernel initramfs. blacklist.local works a treat.
15:12.04wolshd|laptop: all trffic on thisd connection
15:12.20hd|laptopah for hell
15:12.26hd|laptopmiau got totally locked up
15:12.35hd|laptopgonna kill it and update to newest version
15:12.43ArthurArchnixlooks around, embarassed about claiming that wols was wrong...
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15:14.39ArthurArchnixIn just a few short moments, I feel pretty sure that I will have everything on my laptop working. For the first time since I started using Linux three years ago.
15:15.06Zharftorus trooper is a fun game
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15:15.10ArthurArchnixI'm pretty excited.
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15:16.11kasimonHello!
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15:16.31kasimonWhat's the recommended way to package a php webapp into a debian package?
15:17.32wolsArthurArchnix: hm?
15:18.10wolsah. that happens when you don't read the factoids I give you :P
15:18.23ArthurArchnixI read it.
15:18.26ArthurArchnixWell, most of it.
15:18.32ArthurArchnixWell.. some of it
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15:18.38kasimonor how do i create a package that only copies some files?
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15:18.50wolsheh
15:18.56Heavy-DYeah, hdb is buggered. Verified with smartmontools. Grr
15:19.05vadmesteArthurArchnix:  three years ?
15:19.36vadmesteArthurArchnix:  when you'll purchase a new laptop ?
15:20.09ArthurArchnix'bout that. Started on Ubuntu Dapper. Only made the switch to Debian 2 months ago. Ah.. this is my third laptop.
15:20.12ArthurArchnixIn that time.
15:20.18ArthurArchnixI've had to terrible incidents.
15:20.23ArthurArchnixWine was involved in both.
15:20.27ArthurArchnixNot the app.
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15:21.21HidemeI have a cron that runs a script in /usr/local/bin ever 20 mins. For some reason is sends an email when it does so.... why and how can I shut it off?
15:21.56vadmesteHideme:  why and how ?
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15:22.14thi1is debian etch 64bit good for servers? I was using 32bit but I'm thinking about using 64bit on my server
15:22.17Hidemeyes... why is it doing it... and how do I disable
15:22.17vadmesteHideme:  or why... and how
15:22.29rvsjoenHideme : add >/dev/null 2>&1 to the script
15:22.30phreakHideme: Redirect the output.
15:22.54phreak(Might wanna keep stderr, if there's nothing on it usually)
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15:23.01Hidemervsjoen:  in the cron, or the script in /usr/local/bin?
15:23.05rvsjoencron
15:23.14Hidemervsjoen:  Thanks.
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15:23.30rvsjoenyeah, you might wanna keep stderr as phreak said
15:23.47HidemeAlso, can you tell me what the difference is between putting my script.sh in /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin?
15:23.57thi1anyone?
15:24.00Hidemeany advantage, disadvantage?
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15:24.30rvsjoenyou wont hear anything from cron if the job failsmiserably if you redirect it to /dev/null
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15:25.09BushmillsHideme: /usr/local/bin preferable - debian won't touch that dir, and you have your things neatly collected in a spot where you don't need to figure out what is yours and what is system.
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15:25.37BushmillsHideme: imagine you wanted to remove a script - can you remember whether it was yours, or part of a debian package?
15:26.13BushmillsHideme: in addition. /usr/local/bin is a much better backup candidate than /usr/bin
15:26.19HidemeBushmills:  ah ok... so /usr/local/bin is stuff added by users.... and /usr/bin is system stuff?
15:26.29Bushmillsactually, the whole /usr/local is
15:26.36Hidemethanks
15:26.42BushmillsHideme: yes, that's sum it up
15:27.41Dantixhi!, anyone can advice me to decide between GFS and OCFS? even better, perhaps can advice which is the more stable one for a production cluster?
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15:28.30wolsthi1: what do you need 64bit for?
15:28.51liablethe extra bits silly
15:29.05thi1i'm just asking :) my server has cpu 64bit so I was thinking about debian etch 64bit ^^
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15:29.43rvsjoencould you use OCFS to create a single logical disk/file system consisting of many physical disks on different computers ?
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15:30.25thi1wols: I just wondering if 64bit is more optymalized for my server
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15:30.57the-dude64Bit runs fine
15:31.41wolsthi1: not answerable that question
15:31.53scibotOkay, alternative solution, wmctrl allows me to get exactly what I want.
15:31.55wolsthi1: how much phys RAM?
15:31.58JonkoPAHow can I split a tar.gz archive?
15:32.02thi1wols: 3GB
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15:32.13phreakJonkoPA: Just as you would anything else, with split? :)
15:32.16wolsthi1: no use for 64bit
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15:32.22wolsJonkoPA: man split?
15:32.26thi1wols: thx
15:32.38themilldepends if you want the pieces to be individually useful or not
15:32.56JonkoPAphreak, ok, what about rejoining the files?
15:33.04vadmestewols:  why thi1 should not install debian 64
15:33.11phreakJonkoPA: cat
15:33.13wolsvadmeste: what good will it do him?
15:33.21JonkoPAphreak, is it safe?
15:33.30phreakJonkoPA: You also have join, it seems.
15:33.39phreakJonkoPA: But yeah, should be safe I guess :)
15:33.48vadmestewols:  little more speed I think..
15:33.49phreakJonkoPA: cat part1 part2 part3|tar zxf -
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15:34.14wolsvadmeste: bigger binaries, more cache thrashing
15:34.36kasimonanybody?
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15:35.01vadmestewols:  ok
15:35.07vadmestewols:  i didn't understand you
15:35.13vadmestewols:  but ok
15:35.19DeathWolfis packages.debian.org down?
15:35.21variable_officeI am setting up net-snmpd do I HAVE to specify the 'agentaddress' directive?
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15:35.23DeathWolfI cant access it.
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15:35.29wolsa 64bit binary and data are both larger (64bit minimum instead of 32bit minimum)
15:35.47citralDeathWolf: neither do I
15:35.57themillkasimon: read the new maintainers guide. You need to create a debian/rules file that copies the files into the appropriate places within the holding directory to then be archived into a deb.
15:36.00variable_officeBecause everytime I try not to, I do not get a connection, if I do then it works; I do not want to do this because I want it to run on all addresses, so that if I change the machine address I will not have reconfigure snmpd
15:36.21DeathWolfIs there any way to tell apt-cache the version of the package when displaying search results?
15:36.49kasimonthemill: should I use debhelper? cdbs?
15:36.51DeathWolfok, showpkg manually will do fine
15:36.52flower<PROTECTED>
15:37.10DeathWolfnow the great question is... why the hell is apt-get upgrade trying to install a new pure-ftpd when I already have current version
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15:37.15`miki`hello
15:37.15themillkasimon: debhelper is sensible for this, cdbs is probably not although I don't know it well.
15:37.26DeathWolfdpkg -l => pure-ftpd                                               1.0.21-11.2
15:37.27dpkgii  => pure-ftpd                                               1.0.21-11.2                 2.1-12           ultra s3kr1t #debian package
15:37.36kasimonthemill: thx, I'll investigate further into dh
15:37.37wolsDeathWolf: apt-cache policy pure-ftpd
15:37.41`miki`which package would you recommend to undelete files from FAT?
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15:37.53citralflower: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
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15:37.59DeathWolf<PROTECTED>
15:38.04wols!tell flower about ralink
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15:38.21DeathWolfyou tell me why it wants to upgrade...
15:38.42DeathWolf(the one installed is a slightly modified build using debbuild and apt-source, because the maintainer has been ignoring all requests to add utf-8)
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15:38.51DeathWolfVersion is exactly the same... so it's confusing me a lot.
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15:39.37XTZGZoReXIs there a command that searches files for a string and returns the name of matching files?
15:39.44ArthurArchnixThis is actually a bit harder than I thought. Basically, after resuming from suspend laptop-mode tools isn't initialized properly. When it wakes up on ac a hdparm setting of 254 ought to be applied, and on battery 128. When I boot up it correctly detects whether I'm ac or batt and applies settings. After resume I have to unplug and plug back in to have it apply correct settings. At first I thought I just had to reload the la
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15:40.09rvsjoenXTZGZoReX : grep
15:40.15ArthurArchnix!tell Arthur about laptop-mode
15:40.31XTZGZoReXrvsjoen: "grep my_text"?
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15:40.39masushi all, my mouse scroll wheel does not work, can anybody help me ? i use debian etch with xfce4. Thanks
15:40.54epoxy|w3rkI have an older knoppix image that we net boot (5.0.1) with Xorg 7.0.  I need to add the fglrx ati/radeon driver to replace the vesa driver to get crazy resolutions. Is there a way to just stick the .so module in /path/to/Xorg/modules or something similar to get a 'barebones' kind of approach?
15:41.05thi1masus check /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:41.07epoxy|w3rkthe reason is it is going into a system 'overlay' directory that is overlaid via network at boot
15:41.37XTZGZoReXepoxy|w3rk: #knoppix?
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15:42.00masusthi1: i have check it -> http://rafb.net/p/AYM6hM76.html
15:42.26epoxy|w3rkXTZGZoReX, haha my bad.  i thought i was in there
15:42.31XTZGZoReX:)
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15:43.30epoxy|w3rkcant wiat to replace this image with debian/ltsp
15:43.49thi1masus how many scrolls do u have?
15:43.58masusthi1: 1
15:44.27masusthi1: in the middle :)
15:44.43masusthi1: it's an ps2 A4 Tech Model SWOP-3
15:44.55thi1masus http://dpaste.com/60593/
15:44.56masusthi1: i have test it also with another usb mouse
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15:45.25masusthi1: i'll try it one mom
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15:49.08flowerwhy is there not a decent debian rt kernel???????
15:49.30flowerit should be easy on linux to make music isn't it...
15:49.37citralflower: because they're waiting for you to include it ?
15:49.51flowerarhhtsdjfdalkjlfksdjlkjfalksdjfkdsj;afjkdksalfjfklsdajflkdasj!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
15:49.56thi1:)
15:50.14masusthi1: not work , i dont understand why is it so complicated to get work a mouse scroll
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15:50.29thi1hmm...this work on my pc :P
15:50.50masusyes it works on most linux users but not on mine :)
15:50.59thi1hmmm...
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15:51.44rvsjoenanyone know how to make the stupid mouse stop copying text when it it selected other places than the terminal ?
15:52.25idimmuheh
15:52.28rvsjoenreally annyoing to copy some text, and then "select and clear" the contents of some other box to put the copied text it, and because you selected to clear the stuff you copied in the first place is gone
15:52.50idimmuuse the actual copy/paste rather than the buffer
15:52.51idimmuten
15:52.52idimmuthen
15:53.01rvsjoencant seem to make that work in eterm
15:53.02masusand what i have first see , and is very difficult for me 1. Terrible Fonts, 2. Mouse Acceleration + scroll wheel, cursors .This things are the minimum required for people who change from win to lin , why it's not default in linux i dont understand....
15:53.18idimmuuse a terminal that has features then?
15:53.33rvsjoenthe thought has struck my mind, really like eterm though :p
15:54.03idimmumasus: debian isnt "linux"
15:54.23masuswhat is debian ?
15:54.30idimmua linux distro
15:54.37masusyes but it's linux
15:54.41idimmuwhy not try ubuntu, it has all that stuff out of hte box
15:54.48masusi dont like ubuntu
15:54.54Supaplexwhy not?
15:55.08masusthe best for server side is debian i think
15:55.08liablewho cares
15:55.22masusi can do all what i want but if i want to use desktop side :/
15:55.23idimmuive never used a server that required mouse acceleration ..
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15:55.32Supaplexapparently masus does. and I would agree debian is better than ubuntu for servers.
15:55.43masusidimmu: me too, but i have install one ltsp server
15:55.56masusidimmu: and have thin clients attached
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15:56.19masusand need an server for asterisk , web and db server , and have not much money for a second server
15:56.37rwaitewould you guys recommend using lenny as a server?
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15:56.43themillno
15:56.57rwaitetoo volatile?
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15:57.41themillrwaite: yes. Also security support is not as good as for stable.
15:58.00rwaitei see. so security patches dont get backported to lenny?
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15:58.05stewrwaite: they do sometimes
15:58.10rwaiteor do they, just more leisurely?
15:58.17rwaiteah
15:58.37themillrwaite: normally things just come in through sid but would take a day or two to migrate.
15:58.49masusidimmu: ? :)
15:59.08rwaitei see. i'm thinking of switching from lenny to sid for my workstation/programming system. does sid break often?
15:59.10idimmuwhat?
15:59.12stewrwaite: and you might find yourself faced with the decision of stick with vulnerable software, or upgrade to non-vulnerable software depending on newer broken libraries or some such
15:59.12themillrwaite: But if things are blocked by some other transition or by RC bugs, then the testing security team *might* choose to do a special upload directly into testing-security.
15:59.22masusidimmu: nothing said :)
15:59.29StaZ_buroHello folks, i'm a pretty n00bish debian user and i have this problem : I want to plug in my iPod and be able to listen to it (not though the sound system, have the ipod act as if it's not plugged)... before this debian i had a kubuntu 3.5 (i think) in which i could click my way to the Storage Support and right click -> unmount to do exactly what i want
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15:59.39rwaitethemill: i see. as in the openssl case?
15:59.43idimmui didnt realise there was anything to say :)
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15:59.51themillrwaite: I think that went in through sid, actually.
16:00.07masus:)
16:00.15rwaiteoh okay
16:00.24rwaitedoes sid break often?
16:00.27StaZ_burounfortunately, with this debian i have now, i get Security policies error when trying to mount it (via the GUI)... i can mount/umount in sudo/console but it doesn't "eject" the ipod
16:00.30StaZ_buroany idea?
16:00.47Sa[i]nTHey I just installed unrar on Debian. Like how do I get it to kick in and start reconizing the files?
16:00.51masusok guys nobody can help me ? only what i want is mouse scroll :) on debian ...
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16:01.29idimmumouse scroll are buttons 4 and 5 iir
16:01.31idimmuso you'll have to enable them
16:01.52masusidimmu: i have enabled -> http://rafb.net/p/AYM6hM76.html
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16:02.07themillrwaite: yes. I can't really be bothered with how fast lenny changes for use on most of my computers, so I use etch+backports.org. I might move to lenny in a few months' time as it starts to freeze. Having said that, mrs themill uses lenny on her laptop, but she does get sick of the moving target thing...
16:02.19idimmuid disable emulate3buttons
16:02.29idimmuunless you do actually only have a 2 button mouse
16:02.29masusidimmu: i have disabled
16:02.34idimmuk
16:02.49masusi have test it both ? with emulate and without
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16:02.57masusi have test one usb and one ps2 mouse
16:03.00stewmrs. stew uses unstable even though i use testing just becuase on the rare occasion when i can finally convince her to upgrade at all i want her to upgrade as much as possible :)
16:03.02rwaitethemill: i have noticed it updates rather frequently, but it does have perl5.10 :)
16:03.10idimmushrugs
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16:03.20themillrwaite: yeah.. that's one of the things that makes me think about upgrading.
16:03.25idimmui use ubuntu on the desktop so i dont have to worry about things as mundane as input devices :p
16:03.38stew(thats on a desktop though, all servers certainly only run stable)
16:03.47rwaitei have contemplated trying to backport it myself but if its anything like when i tried to build glibc ... no way
16:03.54masusidimmu: sorry not 1 usb and 1 ps2 ,have test a lot of ps2's and usb mouses .
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16:04.36RaoniHi, I'm running under lenny/sid. Do someone konws where I could cut down the automatic network configuration ? At the boot and when it tries to get one each time it sees one ? Cause my isp is really bad for allowing ips ... So I prefer starting it myself
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16:05.00CraigWhi there where can i get some sources.lisst from
16:05.18stewCraigW: /msg dpkg sources.list
16:05.20Raonigedit /etc/apt/sources.list
16:05.22masusRaoni: /etc/network/interfaces ?
16:05.25maligorRaoni, /etc/network/interfaces
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16:05.40Raonithanks masus and maligor :]
16:05.45masus:P
16:05.52Sertsehiya
16:06.01CraigWaptitude update doesnt work
16:06.05CraigWyou mean apt-get update
16:06.29stewCraigW: why doesn't aptitude update work?
16:06.32liableCraigW: huh?
16:06.34RaoniI see there "allow-hotplug eth0" I just cut this ?
16:06.42CraigWaptitude update doesnt no
16:06.46Raonior "iface eth0 inet dhcp" too ?
16:06.54masusno
16:06.54stewCraigW: do you get an error?  if so, show us; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
16:06.59masusthe first one is enough
16:07.04CraigWjust unknown command
16:07.14CraigWSlave:~/nano-2.0.7# aptitude update
16:07.14CraigW-bash: aptitude: command not found
16:07.17masuseuto ethx or allow-hotplug ethx
16:07.22masus*auto
16:07.44liableCraigW: are you using debian?
16:07.49CraigWyes
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16:07.57themillrwaite: anyway... you started by asking about servers running lenny and now you're talking about your desktop running sid... I hope we've been able to give you sensible advice amongst this moving target
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16:08.10stewCraigW: if you are running as root, then i'd guess that aptitude isn't yet installed, which you could install with apt-get update
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16:09.47mihkelHi. I've created a link to a web page in Openoffice Calc. When I click it nothing happens.
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16:10.11mihkelIn command line I get  /usr/bin/gnome-open and it just halts
16:10.28Raonimasus what is "auto lo" ? (my net interface is eth0)
16:10.31mihkeluseing debian lenny
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16:10.41liableis wondering how you cant have aptitude installed on debian
16:10.46masusRaoni: lo is localhost
16:11.00liablei just did an install without base system and still have it.
16:11.06valdynRaoni: lo = loopback interface
16:11.11Raonimasus ok, so I dont care about this one thanks
16:11.18Raonivaldyn: I see :)
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16:11.57rskhaving a problem
16:12.01rskhttp://pastebin.ca/1061418 :/
16:12.08rskwhere should i start cheking?
16:12.16rskhm maybe paste sources.list also
16:12.27kazolIf I install Debian onto the first hd and configure RAID-5 onto all 3 hds after installation, should I have each partition 50% its expected size?
16:12.49rskhttp://pastebin.ca/1061419
16:13.18CraigWE: Couldn't find package ia32-libs
16:13.19CraigWSlave:~#
16:13.24CraigWwth
16:13.55Raonimasus: it's still doing it at the boot. I guess that it just acts when it tries to find the network under a session ?
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16:14.07Raoni(the removed line)
16:15.08masusRaoni: cat your intercaces to http://rafb.net/paste/ or anywhere else
16:15.13masus*interfaces
16:15.31Raonimasus ok .. I dunno why but ok :)
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16:16.16masusRaoni: sorry my english is not well you say that it not take effect ?
16:16.48Raonimasus yes at the boot of the computer it still look for a network (before gdm comes)
16:17.01Raoni*it's
16:17.13Raoniat startup
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16:17.29Raoni(mine isn't good either)
16:17.43masus:) let me see your config
16:17.52Raoniinterfaces ?
16:17.56masusyep
16:18.18tyraelxI just added rules to allow all access to ftp and ssh. If I add a block all rule now, will it override those?
16:18.18Raonioki o:
16:18.18tyraelx(iptables)
16:18.24tyraelxDo I need to add the block all traffic rule first?
16:18.38Raonihttp://pastebin.com/m70cb7176 masus :)
16:18.57masustyraelx: no
16:19.03Raoniit's at boot when it says "Configuring network interfaces"
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16:19.32masusRaoni: it seems ok !!!
16:19.50Raonimasus hmm
16:20.08tyraelxmasus: Ok, so I can safely add the block all traffic rule? because it's a remote server
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16:20.35Raonithere was an option in the network configurator for cutting it at boot under fedora (I'm a debian noobie)
16:21.04masustyraelx: ask in iptables before but i'm sure it is so
16:21.17masustyraelx: :)
16:21.31terverhi, whenever i use ppp to connect to remote host X, it adds route to this X over PPP tunnel it created, is there any magic option which prevent such behaviour?
16:21.46masusand the block rule must to the end
16:22.38alexs_I am trying to make debian package that installs some files into /etc/ but for some reason I can't get it to :-/
16:22.42alexs_Can anyone help?
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16:23.10alexs_The stuff in /usr/share gets placed
16:23.36tyraelxoh crap, I just blocked myself out from my vps..
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16:24.11masusRaoni: wait
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16:25.27Raonimasus: it's ok I think I'm reading the doc and it says something about triggering network config at boot time :]
16:25.36masusRaoni: :)
16:25.37masusok
16:25.50Raoniit's the "auto lo and iface ..." that does it apparently
16:26.04H2S04Fire Fox 3.0 == fair
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16:26.13H2S04worst Memory leaks I've had with it yet.
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16:26.50misreckoningI have a serious debian issue - if somebody could help me, I would appreciate it very much
16:27.05berzerkamisreckoning: please, just ask the question!
16:27.38misreckoningwhenever I run some download manager, like DownThemAll for IceWeasel, it takes all bandwidth and other networking applications like Pidgin lose their connections
16:27.38Raonimasus no its in /etc/rc5.d/s40networking finally :)
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16:27.49Sa[i]nTWhat's with the nautilus in Debian? I want the one from ubuntu. Or am I just missing something here?
16:27.53Raonithanks for your help, masus :)
16:27.53masusRaoni: hmmm
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16:28.05masusnp you have found it :)
16:28.05Raoniwhen it does ifup -a :O
16:28.22misreckoningberzerka: ok I was just trying to be nice 20 :-)
16:28.30Raoniyes but I was thinking that I will find my stuff in a gui :D
16:28.52misreckoningso the problem is that TCP/IP scheduler is unfair
16:28.58heloif i install grub on both drives of my raid array with 'grub> root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); setup (hd1)', and then unplug hd0 so that hd1 becomes hd0, shouldn't grub boot?
16:28.59berzerkamisreckoning: of course, but these "preambles" just repeat themselves over and over .. :)
16:28.59misreckoningit leads to starvation of connections
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16:29.06heloraid1, that is
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16:29.27masushave to go by all
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16:29.45berzerkamisreckoning: is it a router machine? are you doing advanced routing? QoS?
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16:30.06berzerkamisreckoning: not that i would have any idea of those, just trying to get some details :)
16:30.09heloi am assuming grub loading from the previously secondary drive, which has become the primary, will look for the root fs on the first partition of the only drive plugged in, and should succeed... but i'm getting "Grub hard disk error"
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16:30.20misreckoningberzerka: just a desktop machine, debian lenny, and I'm going to internet over ADSL router
16:30.28berzerkamisreckoning: alright
16:30.40berzerkamisreckoning: which connections starve, from which application?
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16:31.08misreckoningberzerka: pidgin in first place, then browsers (I mean they can't open anything)
16:31.22misreckoningI can barely ping google
16:31.37berzerkamisreckoning: hmm do other hosts in the network have the same problem?
16:31.38vagothcppo.O
16:32.08misreckoningberzerka: my roommate (she) is using the same router with Windows and she hasn't this problem
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16:32.32misreckoningI have also reinstalled stable Debian to other partition and also haven't had any problems
16:32.34berzerkamisreckoning: is the upload bandwidth used completely from one of you?
16:32.49berzerkamisreckoning: by seeding torrents or whatever?
16:32.56misreckoningberzerka: at the moment she even isn't online
16:33.17misreckoningberzerka: no of course, then I wouldn't complain about anything to you, but to her :)
16:33.27berzerkamisreckoning: and you are also definitely not using up the upload bandwidth?
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16:33.35misreckoningyes
16:33.39berzerkaalright...
16:33.42misreckoningthe download makes the starvation
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16:33.50berzerkaah, ha..
16:34.01berzerkaso you start pidgin, webbrowser, everything normal, and then?
16:34.29misreckoningand then I start to download something > 10 MB and pidgin disconnects, browser stops completely etc
16:34.43berzerkamisreckoning: over http?
16:34.52misreckoningberzerka: affirmative
16:34.56misreckoning:)
16:35.13misreckoningI just had downloaded firefox 2 for some testing reasons
16:35.21berzerkamisreckoning: that's strange indeed. i'd wonder if this is really related to debian especially, but let's see...
16:35.39berzerkamisreckoning: what kind of internet line do you have?
16:35.47misreckoningADSL 512/64
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16:36.33misreckoningkind of slow, but it is almost the best I can get here :)
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16:37.01ArthurArchnixI'm getting tired, but still pluggin away at my little laptop-mode problem. The problem being that when I resume from suspend hdparm settings from laptop-mode aren't applied. They're being over ridden somehow. If I then plug in a battery, or assuming one is already plugged in, if I unplug then replug, all works well.
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16:37.36misreckoningI wonder if monitoring with atsar could reveal something :/
16:38.04vagothcppDoes anyone know a cheap debian dedicated server host?
16:38.13Raonimasus: finally it was in /etc/network/interfaces xD
16:38.28ArthurArchnixThere's a similar bug on ubuntu lists and someone suggested creating a script and adding it to /etc/pm/sleep.d that basically queries the current power state, and if its on AC simulates a loss of power then regaining of power. I've found that I can determine the current powerstate by doing cat /proc/acpi/ac_adapter/C1AB/powerstate  but that's about as far as I've gotten
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16:39.11rcbarnesIs the BTS down or something?  I get server errors about invalid dates when I try to upgrade.  :-/
16:39.14Supaplex!lart bts 305490
16:39.14dpkgdrops a truckload of VAXen on bts 305490
16:39.33simonrvnpdo is also very slow
16:39.47Supaplexrcbarnes: I just looked at a bug 1m ago. works for me.
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16:40.06Supaplexit's snappy in dillo here. *shrug*
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16:40.37justinrcbarnes: you mean from apt-listbugs or something?
16:40.37rcbarnesSupaplex: Well, I thought the web interface might be working while the apt bits could be down.
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16:41.03Heavy-Danybody know the CLI command to update ClamAV's virus database?
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16:41.29SupaplexHeavy-D: wild guess. update-<tab><tab>
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16:41.46Heavy-DSupaplex: hrmm never tried that
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16:42.19SupaplexI have no clamav on this box, or I might know more.
16:42.25rcbarnesjustin: well, that seems to work, but aptitude safe-upgrade fails
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16:43.11liableits freshclam iirc
16:43.22BigTuna_my mailq is filling up with a bunch of "Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: You are not a trusted user." to root and mailer-daemon.. anyone know how to stop that?
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16:46.21gnat_xi'm running mixed lenny/sid, i recently used the newest ies4linux tar ball. ie6 works fine, but the ie7 hack doesn't work at all. it launches then says "Unkown Zone" as the status. was wondering if anyone else running lenny had experienced this.
16:46.43chopsgnat_x: Probably you'll get better results asking the ies4linux developerse
16:47.07ArthurArchnixwhat's the command to have dpkg print all installed apps and save it to a text file?
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16:47.19gnat_xchops: fair enough.
16:47.44gnat_xjust figured someone in here might've hit the similar problem.
16:47.46citralArthurArchnix: dpkg -l > file.txt
16:48.05cahootgrep for ii?
16:48.06ArthurArchnixthanks citral ... I know I can look it up, but i've been up to my eyes in man pages all day
16:48.48citralArthurArchnix: yeah, like cahoot said, dpkg -l | grep ii > file.txt
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16:49.14cahootdpkg -l | grep ^ii perhaps
16:49.14dpkgii  | grep ^ii perhaps                 3.5-3.2           cahoot's private gamp collection
16:49.30cahootgamp?
16:49.42stew'grep ^.i' is beter
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16:50.00stewcahoot: gay asian midget porn
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16:50.21dpkgNo packages found matching | grep ii > installed_apps.txt  worked. Thanks.
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16:50.30abrotmanuh what?
16:50.38ArthurArchnixoops
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16:50.46abrotmanArthurArchnix: dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt
16:50.49abrotmanway less messy
16:50.56abrotman!debian clone
16:50.57dpkgOne method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone>
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16:51.27CraigWabrotman for some reason my server cannot find ia32-libs - any idea?
16:51.43abrotmanCraigW: which CPU ?
16:52.02CraigWabrotman i have no idea, it's a VPS
16:52.13abrotmandpkg-architecture  | head -1
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16:52.56stewCraigW: what OS are you running?
16:53.01CraigWDebian
16:53.09simonrvn!find bin/dpkg-architecture
16:53.18simonrvni doubt that
16:53.21stewoh, its in dpkg-dev, i thought it was in dpkg
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16:53.43CraigWI'm running Debian
16:53.44stewCraigW: what does "file /bin/ls" return?
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16:54.03simonrvnnm, i wasn't sure whioch one it was in...
16:54.04berzerkamisreckoning: sorry i got distracted (i'm at work)... still clueless?
16:54.07simonrvnwhich*
16:54.11n3kl_Anyone know if you can reduce an XFS partition?
16:54.19simonrvnno you can't
16:54.22dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/dpkg-architecture' (1): (/usr/bin/dpkg-architecture) in utils/dpkg-dev.
16:54.36misreckoningberzerka: yes unfortunately
16:54.39stewCraigW: yeah, that is i386, which doens't have a ia32-libs (which is a amd64 pacakge)
16:54.48CraigWoh
16:54.51CraigWi c
16:55.45misreckoningberzerka: I guess something is screwed with I/O priorities
16:56.10berzerkamisreckoning: hm... did you build a custom kernel or customized anything related to networking specifically?
16:56.45misreckoningberzerka: IIRC not
16:57.16misreckoningberzerka: by the way - do you have something against using abv. like "iirc" ? :)
16:57.33berzerkamisreckoning: what do you mean by abv.? ;)
16:58.07rcbarnesOkay, I've tracked down the issue in my upgrade---rietz.debian.org/ seems to be squirrly.  How to I override where my bugreports come from so I can bypass that server?
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16:58.21misreckoningberzerka: hehe I don't know the whole word :D you know, when you shorten some word or sentence :)
16:58.41berzerkamisreckoning: i have no problem with it, but try to omit those abbreviatons. you see! that's the problem!
16:58.59berzerkamisreckoning: people use abbreviations and forget what the actual word is, horrible!
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16:59.18misreckoningiirc = if I remember correctly - I know what it means - I just forgot how to write "abbreviatons" :)
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17:00.44berzerkawell, okay, but you see what i'm pointing at. i think these whole abbreviations cripple the language. i've even seen people begin to TALK that way, that's just too much.
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17:01.06berzerkamisreckoning: but _I_ personally have no problem with you using "abv.'s" :)
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17:02.30berzerkamisreckoning: but back to your problem. i have also no clue :/ i don't know how the kernel handles network i/o priorities..
17:02.31misreckoningye i kwn wht u mnt
17:02.51misreckoningwell there is a scheduler just like for processes
17:03.09mwnnWhile compiling the linux kernel the "O=output_dir" can be used to put the object files to another directory. Is there a way to do the same when we use make-kpkg?
17:03.09misreckoningprocesss, whatever
17:03.12simonrvntalking that way is just crazy.... like *saying* "lawl" instead of actually laughing...
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17:03.27aarcanehi
17:03.44misreckoningberzerka:  and just like in process scheduling, there are good schedulers and bad schedulers :P
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17:03.57aarcaneI need to make a few minor tweaks to the sdl sources so that an application will work as I needed, but I don't want to have to recompile all my sdl apps.  what's the best way to do that ?
17:04.02berzerkamisreckoning: alright. and may i choose between them? during kernel compilation?
17:04.17chopsaarcane: Get the source with apt-get source, change the libs, recompile, reinstall
17:04.28JonkoPAor we should say: I know feel the emotion of laughter, but, since we are on IRC and have several geek abbreviations.
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17:04.32misreckoningberzerka: well I think you can change them in runtime too
17:04.36chopsaarcane: It shouldn't be necessary to recompile or do anything to any apps that use SDL
17:04.41misreckoningwithout recompilation
17:05.08cahootjust consider if people said tv instead of television
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17:05.32Luchihow can i convert this string "luchi/lolo" in two strings, like "luchi" "lolo" helpppppppp
17:05.47kazolIf I install Debian onto the first hd and configure RAID-5 onto all 3 hds after installation, should I have each partition 50% its expected size?
17:05.56tyraelxdoes /etc/hosts.deny work for exim?
17:06.22aarcanechops, do I use make && make install, or is there something else I'd have to do to build a deb source ?
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17:06.29tyraelxIm being spammed hardcore right now, and I've added all the ip's to hosts.deny but it doesn't seem to help
17:06.40kazolLuchi: Use gawk with a delimiter of '/'.
17:06.48Luchithanks
17:06.52Luchii wiil try
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17:07.15Luchibut gawk is a command from???
17:07.51micolshttp://pastebin.com/m6c9eff64 anyone know what is wrong?
17:08.01micolsanyone played with tftp and pxe boot on thin clients?
17:08.12n3kl_!anyone
17:08.13dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search>
17:08.13micolsi cannot get my tftp server running, this is tftp-hpa
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17:08.21kazolLuchi: man gawk
17:08.47micolshow do i test it?
17:08.50Luchithere is no entry for my man
17:08.51kazolLuchi: Sometimes it may be "awk"
17:08.57Luchiaaaa
17:09.04micolsit seems no ipv4 sockets it listens on
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17:09.07micolsso it isnt active??
17:09.10n3kl_micols: do netstat -luntp | grep 69
17:09.33micolstcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:26669         0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     2452/ssh
17:09.37micolstcp6       0      0 ::1:26669               :::*                    LISTEN     2452/ssh
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17:09.40micolsthats the only thing i get.
17:09.47micolsso it isnt listening
17:09.58n3kl_so its not listening aparantly
17:10.09micolsi tried all tftp servers from apt, none of them listens
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17:10.31n3kl_micols: have you started them?  Perhaps you need to restart xinetd or something?
17:10.39chopsaarcane: Use dpkg-buildpackage
17:10.56aarcanechops, okay, thanks.
17:11.00chops!tell aarcane about dpkg-buildpackage
17:11.09micolsn3kl_: i did restart "inetd"
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17:11.53n3kl_micols: is your tftp server configured to use inet?  That was just a sugestion.
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17:12.21aarcanechops, thank you very much
17:12.27berzerkamisreckoning: are these the same schedulers as for e.g. disk i/o? or are other scheduling algorithms used for network traffic? (sorry i'm really not that into operating system internals yet..)
17:12.31micolsn3kl_: root@cpq:/home/michael# dpkg-reconfigure tftp-hpa does nothing
17:12.42chopsaarcane: np
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17:13.05simNIXhere packages.debian.org is very slow - any more have this problem ?
17:13.07micolsand i just tried apt removing and installing again
17:13.11n3kl_micols: look in your inetd configuration to see if tftp is configured
17:13.12micolsno configuration for it
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17:13.21micolsn3kl_: its in the pastebin url i gave you
17:13.27micolsn3kl_: my inetd config
17:13.27Dewipeers at seepgood
17:13.50broadcasterpackages.debian.org does not respond over here.
17:13.53micolsitd udp so dont know i could test it
17:13.58simNIXk
17:14.03micolsas telnet is tcp, and my netboot doesnt work at all from my other comp
17:14.10Dewiseepgood: what a stupid /whois
17:14.28n3kl_micols: stop your tftp server, and restart inet
17:14.35broadcasternow it works again
17:14.37micolsdid that multiple times n3kl_
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17:14.57n3kl_micols: tried starting the server in the foreground?
17:15.03micolsyes n3kl_ without tcpd
17:15.10micolsas you see on pastebin, thats without tcpd
17:15.15n3kl_any error messages?
17:15.16micolstcpd just exits it.
17:15.19micolsno none at all
17:15.26n3kl_netstat -luntp | grep ftp
17:15.33micolsnot with tcpd either.. no output in logs, it just exits (and kills the process)
17:15.47micolsno output.
17:16.11epoxy|w3rkcan the  fglrx ati/radeon driver be installed by placing a few files in /path/to/xorg/modules ?
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17:16.25wolsepoxy|w3rk: no
17:16.30epoxy|w3rkpewp
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17:16.43wolsepoxy|w3rk: why don't you install fglrx the debian way?
17:16.46n3kl_micols: you either use inetd or the standalone ftp.  YOu are not trying to use both at the same time, are you
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17:16.57simNIXcan a package for lenny be used on 4.0 (etch?) -> for some reason I can only find package nagiosgrapher for lenny, but not etch ...
17:17.10wolssimNIX: no. but you can backport or check for backports
17:17.18micolsn3kl_: no.. i tried inetd but that didnt work out as tcpd kills in.tftpd when starting
17:17.26simNIXk - ty
17:17.36micolsn3kl_: so i went to try in.ftpd manually
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17:17.51epoxy|w3rkwols, i need an overlay solution.. the overlay will come from nfs to a network boot station.  it is some quick fix for this weekend.
17:17.56micolsreally love those inetd programs.. no output and no way of knowing what they do
17:17.59wolsmicols: the in.tftpd is a very big hint that it should be run from inetd
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17:18.16n3kl_micols: I find xinetd to be better, but thats a different issue
17:18.22wolsepoxy|w3rk: I don't care, still won't work. do it the debian way
17:18.39wolsmicols: rahter the "in." name part
17:18.42micolswols: i did see inetd fork it when i connect i think
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17:19.35n3kl_micols: what tftp server are you using?
17:19.42epoxy|w3rkwols, oook
17:19.46micolstftp-hpa
17:19.54wolsepoxy|w3rk: what videocard is this exactly?
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17:20.17epoxy|w3rkwols, radeon hd 3650
17:20.28simNIXtftp-hpa needs -v to output something here ...
17:20.36wolsepoxy|w3rk: then you probably need to backport fglrx
17:20.40epoxy|w3rkand the image is running xorg 7.0
17:20.42n3kl_micols: shouldn't your line inet.conf line look like tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot  ?
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17:20.47wolsepoxy|w3rk: when etch came out that chip did not exist
17:21.31simNIXI do on command line /usr/local/libexec/in.tftpd -v -l -a 192.168.15.1 -s /tftp -> this is without  xinetd
17:21.49wolssimNIX: why /usr/local?
17:22.14simNIXmy tftp server is on FreeBSD
17:22.18wolsah
17:22.26ttl-greetings
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17:22.47micolsn3kl_: i installed acftpd now and inserted that line into inetd conf, now it forks off in.ftpd all the time
17:22.59micolsi.e. i always have in.ftpd running in ps aux even if i kill it
17:23.04ttl-what tool do i need to use to create mhtml (mime html) from the command line?
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17:23.25wolsmicols: from where did you install this? why not a debian package?
17:23.30n3kl_micols: sounds to me like that is your problem.
17:23.33micolsapt-get install acftpd wols
17:23.46wolsmicols: acftpd is not in debian here
17:23.53micolswols: etch
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17:24.06abrotman!info acftpd etch
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17:24.22n3kl_micols: whats wrong with tftpd-hpa
17:24.32micolsfunny
17:24.38micolsi did install acftpd but its not in apt :)
17:24.44abrotman<dpkg> Package 'acftpd' does not exist.
17:24.45wolsexactly
17:24.45simNIXI just added backports - on apt-get update it says; W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
17:24.47micolsmust have been removed and i still got my var archive
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17:24.55micols/var/apt/cache
17:24.56simNIXis sugest update again but thaty doesnt help
17:24.58micolsit was in apt not long ago
17:25.01wolsmicols: no. it's not removed when you got it from etch
17:25.02stewsimNIX: if you want to verify the packages, read the instructions page at backports.org
17:25.06wolsmicols: etch is fixed.
17:25.10wolsmicols: no
17:25.10simNIXok
17:25.11abrotmanhttp://packages.qa.debian.org/a/acftpd.html
17:25.17abrotmanapparently it doesn't exist .. or never did
17:25.47micolsatftpd sorry!
17:25.57n3kl_micols: sounds like you know what do do from here.
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17:26.42micolsn3kl_: really?
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17:27.28micolsi just told you the correct package name i have installed.. i didnt tell you i knew what was wrong with it.
17:27.40micolsbut i also just tried tftp-hpa
17:27.46n3kl_I think you told us that you have two tftp servers installed, and one will not die, this inetd will not listen on that port.  YOu need only one tftp server installed, and if you want to go the inetd route, it should be the only thing listening
17:27.57micolsI dont have two installed!
17:28.09micolsapt wont allow that anyway.
17:28.16micolswhen i install one, it removed the old one.
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17:28.30n3kl_ok
17:28.35micolstftp-hpa is gone now.. i only have atftpd
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17:29.18micolsJul  3 19:21:31 localhost inetd[7820]: dgram/wait: *: ai_socktype not supported
17:29.20micolsi get this now.
17:29.38micolsfrom this line tftp           dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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17:30.13misreckoningberzerka: well looks like networking has its own scheduling algorithm
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17:30.31misreckoningberzerka: because some algorithms like "elevator" have only sense for hard disks
17:30.31n3kl_micols: if you have inet configured, why do you also have the ftp server running?
17:30.42misreckoningberzerka: going out now, see ya some other day
17:30.49micolsi dont know n3kl_ i tried killing it
17:30.54micolsbut its started again
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17:31.04n3kl_micols: again, or still?
17:31.13berzerkamisreckoning: ye, good luck!
17:31.44n3kl_micols: other than the obvious /etc/init.d/bla stop, kill -9
17:31.49micolsnow i dont have it running anymore n3kl_
17:31.58micolsit was a background process i started and control+z'ed
17:32.02n3kl_thats good news
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17:32.19micolsand restarted inetd now
17:32.22micolsto allocate port
17:32.37n3kl_micols: as long as the tfpt process is not running
17:33.17micolsJul  3 19:21:31 localhost inetd[7820]: dgram/wait: *: ai_socktype not supported Jul  3 19:31:15 localhost exiting on signal 15
17:33.21micolsit isnt n3kl_
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17:34.02micolsi just wished inetd would listen on port 69
17:34.17micolslsof|grep inetd returns no IPv4 on port 69
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17:34.31micolsand cannot tftp into localhost, times out
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17:38.12n3kl_micols: I may have given you the wrong line.  That was when I thought you were using hpa.  Change it back to what you had, and then, do you get any usefull errors?
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17:38.43micolsthats the problem with inetd, you dont get anything :)
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17:38.51micolsi am soon to hate it :)
17:39.24n3kl_micols: try telnet to the ip of the machine on port 69 instead of localhost
17:39.24chopsmicols: Can you pastebin your inetd configuration?  And have you run /etc/init.d/inetd reload?
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17:39.38micolschops: i have done the latter, just a minute
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17:39.59micolshttp://linux.rlogin.org/inetd.conf
17:40.42chopsmicols: You're not specifying the tftp port on your tftp line.
17:40.53micolsoh i see that now.. weird
17:41.07chopsmicols: You're specifying the port in the line above that's commented out, though
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17:41.26micolschops: inetd     8022       root    4u     IPv4      21633                 UDP *:tftp
17:41.29micolsnow its listening!
17:41.42micolsthats partially good news :)
17:41.47chopsmicols: Imagine that.  If you configure it properly, it works :-).
17:41.57micolshehe, i dont know why i lost that tftp part :)
17:41.58n3kl_whatdayaknow
17:42.58micolsi still cannot get pxelinux.0 with 'tftp'
17:43.10micolsno output anywhere.
17:43.27micolschecked syslog and dmesg, the tftp client is the only thing giving output
17:43.45Posterdatimicols: tftp-hpa?
17:43.54chopsmicols: One thing that often helps is to run a packet-sniffer and see what's happening during the tftp session
17:44.04micolstftp> get pxelinux.0
17:44.04micolsTransfer timed out.
17:44.27micolsPosterdati: no atftpd
17:44.29Posterdaticat /var/log/daemon.log
17:44.54micolsno output there either Posterdati
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17:45.18Posterdatimicols: use tftp-hpa
17:46.30micolsi try now Posterdati
17:46.37micolsi know its the recommended one.
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17:47.03micolsroot@cpq:/home/michael# tftp localhost
17:47.03micolstftp> get /tftpboot/pxelinux.0
17:47.09micolsstill times out
17:47.19micolsand no log output
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17:47.47ZitZmy ntfs external usb hard drive either doesn't mount or cuts out when i start using
17:47.49JoshOvkihey, i have a problem, im trying to install debian on an NSLU2 i have got to a SSH Installer and im going through the setup, but when i get to download Packages.gz im getting a message telling me it is corrupt, does anyone have any ideas?
17:48.06ZitZand i've uninstalled gnome volume manage and gnome mount and afuse
17:48.10micolsPosterdati: it forks off in.tftpd when i 'tftp' in
17:48.13micolsbut it just times out.
17:48.18micolsinetd forks it off that is
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17:48.58micolschecked syslog,daemon.log,dmesg no logs at all, and i got syslogd klogd running etc.
17:49.22micolsroot      8418  0.0  0.0   2216   652 ?        Ss   19:47   0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
17:49.27micolsthats the one inetd starts
17:49.50micolswonder why its user 'root' and not tftp or such
17:50.11chopsmicols: Is the line in inetd.conf the one that's recommended in the tftp docs?  I don't know offhand what the equivalent of 'tcpd' is for udp, but something like that might be needed.  Also, how about that packet sniffer?
17:50.20Posterdatimicols: no use it as daemon, not in inetd or xinetd
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17:50.52kingsleyDoes anyone here happen to know with certainty what, if anything, the files in /dev/.static/dev are used for?
17:51.17n3kl_kingsley: you getting messages in rkhunter?
17:51.38micolsPosterdati: root      8628  0.0  0.0   2216   272 ?        Ss   19:51   0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -l -s /var/lib/tftpboot
17:51.42micolsnow it runs as a daemon
17:51.56micolsdid dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa and edited the default cfg to allow it
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17:52.18maligorkingsley, the static devices
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17:52.18micols/etc/default/tftpd-hpa , run daemon = yes
17:52.22kingsleyn3kl_: Thanks for asking. I've no problem with rkhunter. In my case, /dev/.static/dev was missing from rdiff-backup's archive.
17:52.27Janoshi there, anyone knows why the etch installer for sparc wont let me select the first partition of a hard drive as a raid partition ?
17:52.28maligorkingsley, they aren't used for anything if things work
17:52.38Tottihi ho ich hab nen problem mit pidgin, wer kannn mir helfen?
17:52.47n3kl_kingsley: I do know that they get recreated, but so does everything in dev
17:52.53maligorkingsley, however, if udev fails, you might be want to have dev's
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17:52.59micolsno log output still Posterdati and still times out
17:53.01kingsleymaligor: What types of things need to fail for /dev/.static/dev to be used?
17:53.02n3kl_kingsley: you *shouldn't* need to backup anything in /dev
17:53.13maligorkingsley, well.. udev mostly
17:53.26kingsleymaligor: Thank you.
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17:54.52kazolHow would I configure RAID-5?
17:54.58axolx_hey guys -- im trying to install a simple command line utility (mercurial) through Aptitude, but it says it depends on X and jackd and all sorts of crazy utilities i dont want to install on my server
17:55.14kazolShould I do it through the partitioner during installation?
17:55.15micolschops: in.tftpd  8628       root    3u     IPv4      23330                 UDP *:tftp this is running
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17:55.20axolx_mercurial is a simple command line version control tool that when installed from source has almost no dependencies
17:55.26berzerkai see no more tray applets under gnome! instead, the applications just close. has the tray been removed? in debian? in recent gnome? i miss for example the notification icon from pidgin in the "tray" which seems not to exist anymore.
17:55.27micolschops: but just timeout when i connect and try getting pxelinux.0
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17:56.33ZitZberzerka: did you remove any packages recently that could have uninstalled gnome-panel
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17:56.50berzerkaZitZ: this is a fresh install.
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17:56.52nkuttleraxolx_: you probably don't want to install the recommended deps
17:57.00ZitZberzerka: you could try sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
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17:57.11axolx_nkuttler: how do i tell aptitude to install the hard dependencies only?
17:57.23nkuttleraxolx_: man aptitude
17:57.28berzerkaZitZ: gnome-panel is of course installed, it just somehow misses the tray-bar or however that is called.
17:57.30axolx_nkuttler:  thanks :)
17:57.37ZitZberzerka: you probably didn't select to install a desktop environment from the installer
17:57.42berzerkaand if i click the X on pidgin or PSI, they just close.
17:57.45ZitZberzerka: so you have panels?
17:57.46berzerkaZitZ: correct
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17:57.51berzerkayes i have panels
17:58.05berzerkaand window selector, menus, application launchers. just no tray.
17:58.33kpanichi, what's the solution to dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed when doing dpkg --configure -a?
17:58.44berzerkaZitZ: i have an idea... let me check. this is the first time i use gnome on two separate X screens.
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17:58.46ZitZberzerka: did you right click on the panel and select 'add to panel' and find the system tray
17:59.01axolx_nkuttler: isnt it strange that it's defaulting to installing all recommended packages?
17:59.21chopsmicols: You're not answering the questions I'm asking.
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17:59.23berzerkaZitZ: that's where the problem begins, i don't find that entry. it has always just existed, never added it manually...
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17:59.56micolschops: i have googled a lot and had this problem for a long time, i tried various inetd lines
18:00.01nkuttleraxolx_: well, man 5 apt.conf... other than that ask the maintainers
18:00.10micolschops: but normally it should be twice in.ftpd in inetd.conf following each other
18:00.18ZitZberzerka: i think it might be called notification-area
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18:00.19micolschops: not tftpd starting and wrapping it
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18:00.23nkuttleraxolx_: probably a policy thing
18:00.33axolx_nkuttler:  ok thanks
18:00.37ZitZunfortunately i'm not logged into gnome right now
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18:01.44berzerkait's just strange.... let me try something..
18:02.05berzerkaaah....
18:02.10berzerkaalright got it.
18:02.19berzerkait seems to be working, but only on the first screen!
18:02.28berzerkawho could have guessed that....
18:02.49ZitZthat's interesting
18:02.56berzerkahow annoying... because i have all my comm apps on the second x screen which is not right in front of me...
18:03.01Nyle!enter
18:03.01dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.
18:03.09berzerkaNyle: excuse me.
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18:04.21stew(says the man with one of the loosest enter keys in the channel)
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18:04.54abrotmanhehe
18:05.12holycowwould anyone remember what the carraige return character is on unix text files?  i need to do a search and replace on  characters+(ret) and cant figure this one out
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18:05.31stewholycow: \r?
18:05.33berzerkaZitZ: pretty annoying anyway. if i have time (unfortunately not right now) i will check wether a bug has been reported for this..
18:05.39holycowstew: danke!
18:05.55berzerkaholycow: you mean "thanks!" :)
18:06.04holycowi mean "thanks!"
18:06.05holycowlol
18:06.15berzerka:)
18:06.15stewnedankinde
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18:08.07ZitZhey does anyone know why my hard drive stops working after it's been mounted from the command line, if i even get it to mount
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18:08.59berzerkaZitZ: what do you mean by stop working?
18:09.15berzerkaZitZ: that is, how do you tell?
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18:10.07ZitZwell, if it does mount, what i do is i try to rescan my music collection in amarok, and it will get to like 3 percent and then hang
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18:11.15ZitZi will then not be able to access the drive, i should add that it is ntfs and i have checked it several times in Windows with no problems, it also mounts fine on my laptop which uses lenny
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18:13.49javatexanI need help with an install of debian.  I have an 80GB hard drive and I am trying to make 5 bootable linux distributions.  I am a professor and I want to show the students several versions of linux with debian being the first :).  Something tells me that grub cannot boot from a logical partition, is this true?
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18:14.03Sa[i]nTWhat's a good docker thing like mac's osx for debian?
18:14.15infinitycircuitSa[i]nT: avant-window-navigator
18:14.48Sa[i]nTinfinitycircuit, It's not in the repos
18:16.00infinitycircuitSa[i]nT: there is a guide about it on the debian forums. avant-window-navigator is version 0.2.6-7 in sid though
18:17.50infinitycircuitjavatexan: grub will boot from the mbr, and then point to a menu.lst on a specific partition. i don't think that partition can be under an lvm but as far as i know it can be primary or logical
18:18.36rwaitei believe it can be lvm
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18:18.55berzerkaZitZ: do you use ntfs-3g or the kernel driver?
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18:19.02infinitycircuiti just know fedora would normally make a separate /boot outside of the lvm but that might have been convention rather than necessity
18:19.12rwaitei know because it makes restoring from backup a real pita as the volume id's have to match exactly
18:21.29ZitZberzerka: it is ntfs-3g, i've even built the newest version from source rather than waiting for debian to package it, in an effort to isolate the problem
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18:22.08berzerkaZitZ: does syslog/dmesg tell anything?
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18:22.18valdyn... unless you use a boot manager that knows lvm, that's not grub
18:22.34ZitZberzerka: oh yes, lots
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18:23.21berzerkaZitZ: well what does he tell you?
18:23.27rwaiteokay maybe you're right
18:24.01javatexanokay...well I have these partitions Part1: Primary: 38MB: for grub /boot, Part2-5: Logical for / of each linux distro, Part6: Primary: 3GB for swap.  Can all the distros share the swap or do they need different.  I am guessing that I make /boot Bootable and install each linux distro to a new Logical as /.  Am I even close
18:24.18rwaitehttp://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID says differently though
18:24.21ZitZberzerka: mostly buffer i/o errors, device descriptor read/64, error -110, usb 2-5: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2
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18:24.33valdynjavatexan: distros can share the swap
18:24.41berzerkaZitZ: ah ha, it is an external usb drive, you could have told us :)
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18:24.56valdynZitZ: thats a bug in hardware or the driver
18:25.02ZitZberzerka: i have several text files with all my errors, i should probably put them on my webspace or something
18:25.28berzerkaZitZ: no that does for now, i don't think this is something which you can fix easily... (as valdy suggests)
18:25.36ZitZvaldyn: i thought about it being a hardware bug so i booted up a pclinuxos live cd, and it mounted fine
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18:25.39berzerkavaldyn, sorry.
18:26.06ZitZi've already posted on ntfs-3g support forum, waiting for a reply
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18:26.21valdynZitZ: its a bug in driver or hardware, ntfs has nothing to do with it
18:26.30berzerkaZitZ: does the livecd use a more recent kernel?
18:26.34infinitycircuitjavatexan: you can make the swap logical too
18:26.49nvzjavatexan: if only one is running at any time then only one needs the swap at any time
18:27.07javatexanSo I am in the debian net install and I have IDE1 Master (hda) - 80 GB ...
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18:27.11ZitZberzerka: no but the live cd does use the ntfs driver from the kernel
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18:27.41javatexan#1 primary 3.0GB           F swap            swap
18:27.58axolx_hey guys -- if i have multiple pythons installed, how can i tell /usr/bin/env which one to use?
18:28.23justinaxolx_: python2.x
18:28.23berzerkaZitZ: hm interesting... well just wait what the ntfs-3g guys tell you about it. i can be of no help here :/
18:28.31javatexanwhen I try to do it I get: Partition Disks Error!!! File system has an incompatable feature enabled....what is that?
18:28.45javatexanthe only option is to go back and fix....fix what?
18:28.48ZitZberzerka: thanks anyway
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18:29.03berzerkaZitZ: yea thank you too :)
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18:29.46justinjavatexan: lvm is probably your best bet
18:30.00javatexani will have to read about that...
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18:30.47simmerzI'm having some issues setting up Xen and ipv6 on a debian host. I've got a bridged setup and ipv4 works fine. ipv6 doesn't. the dom0 can ping6 a domU and the domU can ping6 a dom0, the dom0 can ping6 the internet at large, but the domU can't. any ideas?
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18:37.10axolx_justin: not sure what you mean. i have multiple pythons: python2.3 python2.4 python2.5. how do i tell /usr/env python which one to point to?
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18:38.23justinaxolx_: /usr/bin/env python2.4
18:38.32vadmestehi again
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18:38.55justinaxolx_: or usually /usr/bin/python is a link to the actual version
18:39.02justinnot sure if it uses /etc/alternatives/ yet
18:39.15axolx_justin: i see. so i need to link /usr/bin/python to the one i want to use
18:39.20axolx_justin:  thanks
18:39.32simmerzany ideas about Xen?
18:39.47justinaxolx_: try update-alternatives --config python first
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18:40.27axolx_justin:  No alternatives for python.
18:40.48axolx_ls /usr/bin | grep python shows python, python2.4 and python 2.5
18:40.54Sa[i]nTWhere can I get a list of repositories?
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18:41.38justinsimmerz: some proc/sysctl stuff may help with that.. net.ipv6.conf....
18:42.02jeefon an etch machine that i have, occasionally aptitude dies in the middle of an installation or update and prints "Ouch! Got SIGABRT, dying." -- what might cause that?
18:42.22justinsimmerz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398595
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18:42.39simmerzjustin: thanks
18:43.03rvsjoenjeef : which version of aptitude ?
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18:43.34simmerzjustin: that doesn't help. my bridge is created in /etc/network/interfaces
18:43.38jeefrvsjoen: 0.4.4
18:43.54justinsimmerz: what about the proc stuff?
18:43.55jeefrvsjoen: 0.4.4-4 is the package version to be exact
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18:45.43simmerzjustin: what proc stuff though?
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18:45.54jeefi can reproduce it, i guess i'll get a backtrace but i don't have debugging symbols for it
18:46.06justinsimmerz: one post mentioned /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/accept_ra
18:46.56simmerzjustin: I'm not using ra's though. statically configured
18:47.11justinsimmerz: oh, nevermind then.. I don't know much about ipv6
18:47.22simmerzit's the same as ipv4 but bigger
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18:47.24justinhas more ipv4 addresses than most countries :-)
18:47.27simmerzwhich is what's confusing me
18:47.28jeefmaybe not; strange, if i run it in gdb it doesn't segfault
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18:48.02rvsjoenhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/aptitude-dies-with-sigabrt-592409/
18:48.06streuner!confuse simmerz
18:48.06dpkgNo, what are their weasel today, simmerz? pants of the republic of belarus with extra cheese
18:48.21simmerzstreuner :(
18:48.24kazoljustin: lol how did you get them?
18:48.30rvsjoenthat thread indicates it has been fixed in 0.4.4-5
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18:48.47kazolWhen could I specify whether I want a GUI? After "Installing the Base System"?
18:49.06justinkazol: time machine back to 1970
18:49.15rvsjoenanyone else having problems with packages.debian.org ?
18:49.25justinkazol: when it asks you what tasks to install, don't pick desktop
18:49.35kazolok
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18:51.27Nyledon't pick any tasks
18:51.39Nylejust unselect em all and go forward
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18:52.45vadmesteand installation will finish in 5 minutes
18:53.00stonedyeh
18:53.03stonedthats right
18:53.15flower2I want to build my nvidia driver and I get these messages: http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/9408/snapshot2pa7.png
18:53.21stonedtasksel is a good program, but its config in debian is freaking crazy
18:53.23vadmestethat let me remember how long windows install its componments
18:53.27stonedjust look at the 'desktop' task
18:53.51stonedvadmeste: 3-5 minutes tops using norton ghost 8 and a 2gb xp sysprep
18:54.01justinflower2: run m-a prepare, and then m-a -t install nvidia
18:54.12stonedfull xp ghost installed with all software and pre tweaked etc. etc.
18:54.15xingusimmerz: what errors are generated, and what do you see on the wire?
18:54.25stonedI also prepare ext3 volume for imaging/ghosting
18:54.30simmerzxingu: no errors. pings just don't get through
18:54.33stonedIgot a debian sarge ghost
18:54.45stonedtakes a few minutes to comletely intall etch just the way I have configured
18:54.49\amethystflower2:  it's an incompatibility between the nvidia drivers and the -rt kernel
18:54.59stoned(only on my particular machine though)
18:54.59xingusimmerz: what do you see on the wire?
18:55.02justinstoned: disk images really isn't the debian way
18:55.03stonedoh whoops
18:55.03simmerzxenbr0 -> internet works, dom0 eth0 -> internet works. domU -> dom0 works
18:55.07stonedon the wrong irc cleint
18:55.08simmerzxingu: on the wire?
18:55.09\amethystflower2:  http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=114923  suggests how to fix the nvidia driver to work with -rt
18:55.13Nyleok
18:55.14xingusimmerz: tcpdump...
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18:55.16Nylehere I am
18:55.20Nylejustin, I know :)
18:55.21justinstoned: fai/preseed/jumpstart ends up being more flexible
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18:55.31Nylejustin, uhuh.. never knew about those
18:55.40Nylei'll look em up (preseeding I do of course)
18:55.42simmerzI don't have an external ipv6 machine I can tcpdump on to see
18:55.47simmerzonly the xen box
18:55.49justinpreseed is really easy, jumpstart is mostly added to be compatible with redhat
18:56.00simmerzxingu: ^^^
18:56.08justinI use preseed to pre-fill in language, mirror and everything else.. I pretty much just do partitioning manually
18:56.17Nylejustin, I see
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18:56.28xingusimmerz: sure; but on the xen box, you can tcpdump on the dom0 interface while you ping your domU's default gateway
18:56.34NyleI been a fan since
18:56.53xinguwonders if linux's bridging code even supports (inherently arpless) ipv6 bridging
18:57.03justinsimmerz: ah yeah, tcpdump is definitely a good idea
18:57.08xinguwonders why people ever bridge at all
18:57.23justinxingu: much easier configuration for xen
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18:57.28simmerzxingu: default config, and routing is a pain in the arse when there isn't another real interface
18:57.46simmerztcpdump on eth0 or xenbr0?
18:58.12xingusimmerz: probably, both; start with eth0
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19:00.00flower2\amesthyst, mmh ok... what file do I have to edit and where can i find it?
19:00.04simmerztcpdump -i <dev> host <ipv6_addr> gives me nothing on either
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19:00.28xingusimmerz: do you have a default route?
19:00.29simmerzactually, it decided it was going to echo it this time
19:00.34simmerzlet me try again
19:01.13simmerzand I need -vv don't I?
19:02.34xinguwould be good
19:03.01berzerkaif i had temporarily enabled a third-party repository, like debian-multimedia, is there a way to revert all packages to the versions which apt can currently provide (i.e. after deleting the deb line in sources.list again..)?
19:03.01simmerz1 packet captured, 27 received by filter, 0 dropped
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19:04.27\amethystflower2: that says  in nv-linux.h, which is presumably somewhere under /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel
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19:04.40\amethystflower2:  I don't have the nvidia driver so I couldn't tell you for certain
19:05.02wolsberzerka: that would be a form of downgrade...
19:05.13berzerkawols: right.
19:05.25berzerkawols: will apt-get check detect this, maybe?
19:05.33wols!tell berzerka about downgrade
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19:05.53berzerkaarg, too bad...
19:06.24stewberzerka: not an easy way.  you can perhaps use apt-show-versions to help identify packages which you would need to (in many cases) manually downgrade
19:06.29berzerkaso i will compare all programs and their versions to see which was installed from d-m, and then issue apt-get install --reinstall. that should do it, right?
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19:07.15xingusimmerz: in that case what do you see on the domU's network interface?
19:07.20berzerkaisn't this a pretty common requirement? i mean, of course you want the people to only use the official repos....
19:07.25stewberzerka: no, --reinstall means reinstall the same version.  "apt-get install package=version" for a particular version
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19:07.43simmerzwhen I ping from the dom0?
19:07.48berzerkastew: if i cleared the local cache, he won't be able to install the same version, would he?
19:08.13berzerkaor would reinstall give me an error then...
19:08.16xingusimmerz: when you ping your domU's default gateway from the domU
19:08.18berzerkahmm i will investigate, thanks.
19:08.43xingusimmerz: fwiw my guess is that the bridge code isn't forwarding broadcast icmp6
19:09.09stewberzerka: no, if you cleared the local cache it wouldn't be able to install the same version, so --reinstall will fail
19:09.17simmerztcpdump -vv -i eth0 proto ICMP shows nothing when i ping6 it from the dom0
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19:09.47xingusimmerz: ... which will obviously completely screw ipv6 if it thinks that a device is on the same broadcast network and (per the icmp6 failure) isn't.
19:10.09xingusimmerz: that's because it's not proto icmp
19:10.37berzerkastew: hmm that's sad. and you (the debian community) don't plan to implement such features? why?
19:11.09simmerzxingu: you're right
19:11.15valdynberzerka: debian only supports stable
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19:11.53berzerkavaldyn: ah, i see.. so the same problem comes up if a newer version is removed from testing?
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19:12.14xingusimmerz: "ebtables -t broute -A BROUTING -i vlan1 -p ! ipv6 -j DROP" seems like it might be of some benefit
19:12.16zinxno, debian version numbers always increase
19:12.24berzerkaokay..
19:12.28xingusimmerz: obviously dom0 and domU will need to support ebtables
19:12.28simmerzxingu: on the host?
19:12.41berzerkai'm fine with that...
19:12.41xingusimmerz: at a guess, dom0
19:12.56berzerkabangs his head on the table for having "tested" a third party repo.
19:12.58xingusimmerz: ie, you're telling dom0 to broute for ipv6
19:13.03simmerzxingu: why ebtables and not iptables?
19:13.04berzerkareinstall again? i'm getting used to it...
19:13.22xingusimmerz: because iptables works at the network layer and this is a datalink-layer problem
19:13.22justinberzerka: how many packages did you install?
19:13.33simmerzok
19:13.38berzerkajustin: not many. let's say 10 libs were upgraded, and i installed mplayer.
19:13.47kazolFor some reason GRUB installation failed...what should I do?
19:13.48justinberzerka: what kind of libs?
19:13.50simmerzxingu: where vlan1 is my bridge interface?
19:14.01xingusimmerz: yup
19:14.06valdynkazol: give us useful information
19:14.13berzerkajustin: multimedia related i guess. i didn't watch in detail :(
19:14.32berzerkajustin: i guess essentially codecs..
19:14.43simmerzxingu: no change
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19:15.20Sa[i]nTIs there an alternate to awn, I don't see it int he repos, and I can't get a comprehensive sources.list apparently.
19:15.21justinberzerka: so just uninstall them all
19:15.31xingusimmerz: my apologies; vlan1 is not the bridge interface, it's the bridge'd interface.
19:15.33simmerzsurely if ipv4 works, there is no reason why ipv6 wouldn't?
19:15.40berzerkadoes apt keep an installation log?
19:15.44xingusimmerz: as in brctl addif br0 vlan1 <-- that guy.
19:15.49berzerkajustin: ^
19:15.49justinberzerka: /var/log/dpkg.log
19:15.50simmerzok
19:16.05berzerkajustin: alright, that should do for me, thanks.
19:16.11xingusimmerz: no; you need to go and read up on what ipv6 does in lieu of arp.
19:16.24xingusimmerz: ... it's pretty fundamental.
19:16.24berzerkasoo what have i learned today? never install third-party packages on a debian system, right?
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19:16.47justinberzerka: no, never install third party packages if you don't know how to remove them when they don't work...
19:16.56kouwewhy is openssh-server update (apt) kept back?
19:16.58simmerzxingu: that's just lost me access to my domU
19:16.58berzerkaJudgen__:
19:17.01justinkouwe: install it
19:17.02valdynberzerka: i dont know what exactly you did, debian-multimedia.org is ok normally
19:17.21berzerkaJudgen__: sorry, completion error..
19:17.25kouweis it safe to install it within a ssh term?
19:17.30justinkouwe: yes
19:17.31xingusimmerz: so you probably need to refine the rule a bit, but I think you're on the right path now.
19:17.49kouwejustin, nice done :) hmmm
19:17.59valdynkouwe: you are using upgrade when you need dist-upgrade
19:18.01berzerkavaldyn: well smplayer plays no sound. and i figured that if mplayer (which plays fine) is from d-m, and smplayer is from debian, i better revert everything..
19:18.09valdynkouwe: and you should read the manpage on what those 2 do
19:18.12kazolvaldyn: I have 3x80GB hds configured as software RAID-5: /boot is md0, / is md1, /var is md2, /var/log is md3, swap is md4, and /home is md5. The first 3 partitions are primary.
19:18.13simmerzxingu: not sure I am really
19:18.16simmerzanyway, never mind
19:18.32valdynberzerka: thats a fucked up idea
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19:18.32simmerzI'll have to read up on ipv6 first
19:18.33valdynberzerka: like totally
19:18.45justinkouwe: ekk, you really should be using lvm for that..
19:18.53berzerkavaldyn: oh really... :)
19:18.59valdynberzerka: your conclusion makes no sense at all
19:19.56berzerkavaldyn: there was a step missing in my conclusion... but why do you consider that cause of failure soo improbable? (really..)
19:20.40valdynberzerka: the first conclusion that should come to your mind when one program can play sound and the other one cant, is that there must be a way to configure the one that cannot in a way that it can
19:21.23berzerkavaldyn: smplayer is an mplayer frontend, so we are not speaking of totally disjunct programs here, but okay.
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19:21.34valdynberzerka: yes, indeed
19:21.36kouwebut version is still -> ssh -v OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9etch2, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
19:21.46valdynberzerka: thats one more reason to believe into an issue that is purely configuration
19:21.53streunerkouwe: so what?
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19:22.21kouwei need to enable sftp-logging. which is enabled in 4.4 right? :/
19:22.21streunerkouwe: its called stable for a reason...
19:22.29streuneruhm
19:22.36streuner!info openssh
19:22.42berzerkavaldyn: my idea was, maybe because of a version mismatch, the smplayer can't interface properly to the mplayer from d-m, not related to configuration.
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19:22.56valdynberzerka: thats pure guesswork
19:23.04berzerkavaldyn: that's right...
19:23.17berzerkavaldyn: you're right, i should investigate further.
19:23.28epoxy|w3rkis there a way to get exim to send mail to someuser@192.168.1.100 (on local network)? i tried adding to /etc/hosts (amoungst many other things), but exim keeps complains about lack of MX record    error:http://pastebin.com/m5ac0d773
19:23.41berzerkavaldyn: but, the question/problem of temporarily enabling another repository remains, independant of my problem.
19:23.53valdynberzerka: i dont know the smplayer GUI, i guess it might take mplayer command line options and/or have a menu to change settings
19:24.04berzerkavaldyn: and i was evenly interested in wether it is possible in general.
19:24.19valdynberzerka: sure its possible
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19:24.33berzerkavaldyn: i mean't wether apt supports it.
19:24.40valdynberzerka: but please, start with the problem you are trying to solve
19:24.42streunerkouwe: look for a backport, or just use /msg dpkg simple sid backport
19:24.51berzerkavaldyn: yes, i will :)
19:24.53valdynberzerka: not your idea of a solution to that problem
19:24.59valdyn!pinning
19:24.59dpkgIf you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning.
19:25.03DigitalVibehi all. is it possible to set up remove desktop on debian via command line?
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19:25.10DigitalVibe*remote desktop
19:25.33valdyn!remove x
19:25.34berzerkavaldyn: well i regarded them as distinct problems... thanks for your time, i will look closer at smplayer now before trying to downgrade anything.
19:25.34dpkgmethinks remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X.  use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration.
19:25.36valdyn!remove gnome
19:25.37dpkgremove gnome is, like, remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common
19:25.38streunerkouwe: according to http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ssh there is no backport available ...
19:25.49kazolvaldyn: Any idea why GRUB isn't installing?
19:26.05valdynkazol: did you give us useful information yet_
19:26.06Nyleyay
19:26.07valdynkazol: did you give us useful information yet?
19:26.17kazolvaldyn: I have 3x80GB hds configured as software RAID-5: /boot is md0, / is md1, /var is md2, /var/log is md3, swap is md4, and /home is md5. The first 3 partitions are primary.
19:26.32kouwestreuner, well ok... thnx
19:26.36valdynkazol: where are you trying to install grub_
19:26.38valdynkazol: where are you trying to install grub?
19:26.44berzerkavaldyn: another question of interest: do you think it is advisable to just remove the deb line and keep the packages installed, hoping that the testing repository will soon overhaul the versions from d-m?
19:26.56kazolvaldyn: First hd.
19:26.57valdynberzerka: yea, you can do that
19:27.09\amethystberzerka:  the problem is that debian-multimedia often uses epochs on their packages
19:27.21\amethystberzerka:  (1: or 2: etc in front of the version)
19:27.30valdynkazol: no, grub doesnt know "first hd" , it knows /dev/sda or (hd0), so which one is it_
19:27.31berzerkaarg.. i see..
19:27.33berzerka:(
19:27.39ankkagood evening, I have a slight problem with unison and fat32
19:27.40\amethystberzerka:  they don't always
19:27.55berzerkadamnit, i should have sticked with pure debian from the beginning. well every lesson has to be learned....
19:28.24valdynberzerka: d-m.org doesnt fuck you over..
19:28.33valdynberzerka: you can remove all from there pretty easily
19:28.45\amethystprobably the simplest thing to do is to remove the packages and reinstall them from debian
19:29.11\amethystif you don't need the configs, purge them even
19:29.11berzerkayep, i'll do that probably. but first i'll stick with the smplayer problem.
19:29.19berzerkanods
19:29.23valdynkazol: this channel works best when you just pass us the command you try to run and the error message
19:29.27\amethystthat way you won't have any chance of running into the problems that downgrading can cause
19:29.45berzerkawell thank you guys, you're great! :)
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19:30.18NyleI converted and am currently printing 800 upc bar codes
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19:30.45JoelitoHi all, I just download gcc-doc from synaptic but I don't know how to use it, any help..please?
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19:31.00valdynJoelito: its in /usr/share/doc/gcc-doc
19:31.13valdynJoelito: probably has .html files viewable with any web browser
19:31.14PheagatorJoelito: you can always check dpkg -L <package> to see its contents.
19:32.36Joelitooh, thanks :)
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19:34.18Joelitoanother question is there a way to estimate the download size of package? I'm using apt-get but sometimes the package download itself :S
19:34.34berzerkavaldyn: i investigated "a little" more, and the sound works in smplayer. thanks for (all of) your support again! :)
19:34.42valdynberzerka: welcome
19:34.58berzerka(the question about switching repos remains, anyway :))
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19:35.09valdynberzerka: read about pinning
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19:35.16valdynberzerka: like man apt_preferences
19:35.24berzerkavaldyn: i know how it works, approximately :)
19:36.09berzerkavaldyn: if i understood you correct, pinning also can only be used to keep an existing version from upgrading, but never to downgrade a version which was already installed, right?
19:36.21valdynberzerka: right
19:36.26valdynberzerka: downgrading is never supported
19:36.32berzerkafine. have a nice evening all of you!
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19:36.37mancubushi ppl
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19:37.04mancubusCan somebody advice good CVS ?
19:37.11mancubusw/ GUI
19:37.28valdynmancubus: no, forget about that
19:37.45mancubusvaldyn, nice ... =) Why?
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19:37.59valdynmancubus: becaue version control systems have no decent gui
19:38.13vadmestevaldyn:  let mancubus test
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19:38.18vadmestetry
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19:38.31vadmestemancubus:  gnome or kde ?
19:38.47mancubusvaldyn, however I need system which will help me with my FW versions ... GUI is only for fun..
19:38.57mancubusvadmeste, XFCE =)
19:38.59Eulexfw versions?
19:39.36mancubusFirmWares
19:39.39Eulexmancubus, there's http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/thunar-plugins/thunar-svn-plugin , but no CVS plugin afaik
19:39.39mancubusFW
19:39.45mancubusfor devices
19:39.56streuner<PROTECTED>
19:40.52Nylestreuner, I like rock
19:40.58Nylestreuner, #music is a better place
19:41.04streunerNyle: :-P
19:41.07Nyle:)
19:41.07mancubusEulex, it's can be very helpful. I have to test it. TNKS!
19:41.30Eulexmancubus, note that it will only work with SVN, and *not* with CVS
19:41.50Eulexunless you really meant that you needed an SVN client
19:43.14mancubusEulex, subversion ?
19:43.24Eulexyes, svn is short for subversion
19:43.41mancubusGot it. I'll check, thanks again
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19:44.15Eulexmancubus, command line version management systems are usually easy enough to use if you just want to check out some software anyway
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19:44.57mancubusEulex, the main idea -- is control new versions and make "change log" for new one...
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19:45.20mancubusand sure have history of all branch
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19:45.24fxcphi folks. anyone here from portugal?
19:45.37Eulex!pt
19:45.37dpkgPor favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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19:47.20morrisonjimapt somehow managed to remove my kernel, and now grub only sees the windows partition. is there a way to install th kernel without reinstallation? can simply copying the kernel image to /boot and changing the menu.lst suffice?
19:47.22aptmorrisonjim: what are you talking about?
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19:47.53\amethystmorrisonjim:  reinstalling the kernel package would be the easiest way
19:48.06Eulexmorrisonjim, boot a live cd, chroot into the system
19:48.11Eulexinstall the kernel.
19:48.20morrisonjim\amethyst: Debian doesn't boot at all.
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19:48.43\amethystmorrisonjim:  use what Eulex suggested
19:49.04\amethystthough you have to make sure /boot is mounted under the chroot, if it's a separate FS
19:49.34penper__hi all. I'm packaging a game engine. Which "Section" should I specify in the DEBIAN/control file? Thanks :)
19:49.34\amethystand you might have to mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc   , too
19:49.45morrisonjimhmm, and where will it get the kernel? through apt or will I extract from the kernel package?
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19:50.13ovmhi. how can i record a tv program from zattoo ?
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19:50.36Eulexpenper__, games, probably
19:50.53penper__Eulex: uh, ok
19:50.58\amethystpenper__:  crystalspace is in games (for the engine and data), doc (for the documentation), and devel (for the development tools)
19:51.00penper__Eulex: where's all this documented?
19:51.14penper__\amethyst: aha ok
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19:51.23Eulexpenper__, sorry, I don't know, but it would seem logical to me
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19:55.19vadmesteOk, let's help ovm
19:55.36vadmesteAnyone knows a program named "zattoo" ?
19:55.40micolsdo i need scsi as a module and not directly in kernel in order for dmesg to show up new devices when i hotplug thenmm?
19:55.48micolsso the scsi would reload and rescan the bus each time
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19:56.06pottyis xfs reliable?
19:56.11micolsas it is now in kernel it wont recognize anything not even with lsscsi or cat /proc/scsi/scsi etc
19:56.19anddampotty: seems so
19:56.23micolspotty: its fast, i just lost my /lib and /var etc on my xfs :D
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19:56.33heloi just copied my partition table from one disk to another via 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb count=2'... how do i reload the partition table so i can access /dev/sdb1, etc?
19:56.38micolsdue to xfs_repair after unclean shutdown
19:57.06pottynever had problems with jfs or ext3
19:57.10pottybut reiserfs and xfs
19:57.14valdynhelo: run fdisk /dev/sdb and save the partition table
19:57.21heloi don't want to :P
19:57.21Eulexpotty, as long as you have an ups.
19:57.27justinhelo: it's much faster to copy the partition table using sfdisk
19:57.52pottyno ups here
19:57.57Eulexpotty, if your machine is shut down the improper way, there's no protection against data loss with xfs
19:58.00valdynhelo: why not?
19:58.09helomuch faster than 0.0103 seconds?
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19:58.16micolsi even fflushed with magicsysrq in my kernel
19:58.21micolsbut i still lost everything with my xfs :)
19:58.23karma_Hello! Is there someone familiar with relay filesystem?
19:58.28micolsit moved 50% of my disk to lost+found :D
19:58.29vadmesteovm : maybe you have to install a more popular program
19:58.33heloehh, no reason... i was just hoping there was a more direct way
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19:58.47valdynhelo: that would be sfdisk
19:58.52Eulexmicols, appears you have discovered what I pointed out above the hard way
19:59.05ovmvadmeste, what program is theese ?
19:59.11micolsright Eulex , that will make a new debian install :)
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19:59.26micolsmy workstation is not worth recovering, except /home and /etc and a few other files.
19:59.47micolswas going to make it netboot anytime soon anyway.
20:00.10valdynhelo: echo 1 > /sys/block/sda/device/rescan
20:00.22micolsvaldyn: any idea why i cannot rescan my scsi bus?
20:00.32micolsvaldyn: its in the kernel, not as a module
20:00.38valdynmicols: thats irrelevant
20:00.55micolsit only finds devices which are known to the system, not new devices
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20:01.06micolsif i add 3 extra disks to my external array they dont get discovered
20:01.13micolsi think they did when i had scsi as a module
20:01.48valdynmicols: that does not make sense
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20:02.42aculichmicols: if you are rebuilding your filesystems you should consider using lvm (the logical volume manager)
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20:03.10reidHow do I install two conflicting packages using apt/dselect/aptitude (one is already installed)?
20:03.13micolsaculich: yes, except i dont need it in this case, but thanks for the suggestion (a very good one actually, normally) :)
20:03.23micolsi am going to make a netboot with /home mounted over nfs etc.
20:03.31micolsso i really dont need to grow my fs etc.
20:03.55valdynreid: you dont
20:04.05valdynreid: as they conflict
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20:04.54aculichi can't really think of a good reason to NOT use lvm these days... even if you are going to netboot /home over nfs
20:05.03reidbut I, being the human, control the computer, so yes, I do need to install two conflicting packages
20:05.12aculichnot just for growing partitions... it can be useful later if you want to move things around, mirror, snapshot, etc
20:05.14reidIf there is no software that allows this, then please tell me that
20:05.17valdynaculich: lvm does not support write barriers
20:05.44reidIf there is no way to force a conflict through the tools I mentioned, then please advise.
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20:05.54valdynreid: there is no way
20:06.01reidthank you
20:06.04justin!wayttd reid
20:06.05dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, reid?
20:06.24reidI'm trying to install postfix AND nullmailer (nullmailer is already present)
20:06.38justinreid: why?
20:06.54valdynreid: postfix can do everything that nullmailer can do
20:06.55reidbasically I want nullmailer to continue handling it's currently queued mail, while new mail is handled by postfix
20:06.59reidI realize this
20:07.08reidBut I have queued mail that needs to be sent
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20:07.22reidI'm not going to attempt to convert it to postfix, so I want to run both, at the same time.
20:07.26aculichvaldyn: thanks for the info; i was not aware that lvm did not support write barriers
20:07.27jelly-hmereid: so make it send it all, then install other mta
20:07.43reidjelly-hme, it is unable to send all right now
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20:08.07reidand I do not have a smarthost available to offload the queued mail
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20:08.34reidanyway, I'm assuming this type of behaviour is possible with dpkg --force
20:08.41valdynreid: why dont you resend that mail thru postfix?
20:08.45reidhow?
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20:08.58justinwhat on disk format does nullmailer use?
20:09.29reidWhy does it matter?
20:09.41jelly-hmereid: if you knew your way around package install scripts, you could rebuild (or repack) nullmailer without Provides: mail-transfer-agent and without it providing /usr/sbin/sendmail
20:09.47justinreid: if it is mbox or maildir or such it is a piece of cake to dump it into postfix
20:09.57fxcp#debian-pt
20:10.04reidthis is queued mail, not delivered mail
20:10.17reidWhy would queued mail be in MDA formats?
20:10.24reidjelly-hme, sounds absolutely painful
20:10.56reidanyway, I'll download the packages and use dpkg -i --force-all
20:11.21reidpostfix will overwrite files, and when I trash nullmailer, it will delete postfix's files
20:11.27jelly-hmereid: that _will_ break your apt/aptitude and probably have unexpected results
20:11.30reidit'll be a pain, but it'll work, I imagine.
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20:11.36reidIt will?
20:11.51vadmestereid:  that resolves your problem ?
20:11.57reidvadmeste, seems to
20:12.06reidvadmeste, unless you see a giant hole in it
20:12.13jelly-hmereid: apt won't work if packages with broken dependcies are installed
20:12.13valdynim not sure that overwriting the sendmail binary via force will not just also fuck your postfix
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20:12.33reidjelly-hme, ok fair enough
20:12.37valdynor nullmailer, whichever was on first
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20:12.44reidvaldyn, sure, I don't think it will
20:12.46jelly-hmereid: I've explained the relatively clean way to do it
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20:13.03valdynbut all this is silly
20:13.06reidjelly-hme, aye, but my method is faster :)
20:13.13valdynemptying the queue should be alot easier
20:13.22reidIf you have the resources available.
20:13.57vadmestereid:  does nullmailer and postfix use the same queued mail files ?
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20:14.02reidvadmeste, no
20:14.13reidvadmeste, I think nullmailer should be ok when postfix comes in
20:14.25reidsince it will be only running nullmailer-send and nullmailer-smtp
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20:14.51reidwell thanks for the replies guys
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20:15.01reidalways nice to discuss things with others :)
20:15.03vadmestereid:  for more information, join #postfix
20:15.06apt_getHi, when LENNY will be stable?
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20:15.15reidvadmeste, aye, don't have to
20:15.22jelly-hme!tell apt_get -about wwlr
20:15.23reidthanks again, take care.
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20:22.38vadmesteI love this one : "PCs are like air conditioners : if you open windows, they don't work"
20:23.19jelly-hme!penixstrike vadmeste
20:23.19dpkgA towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking vadmeste to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.
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20:24.02mthedoes anyone know if a www.fit-pc.com runs debian nicely? its 500mhz amd geode, 256mb ram /q
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20:25.02vadmestejelly:  I don't even understand what dpkg trying to say
20:25.52vadmestejelly-hme:  just it's is a good thing or a bad thing
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20:26.57valdynmthe: it does, sure
20:27.11mthe= :D
20:27.20valdynmthe: but thats not your real issue, is it? you actually need to get work done on that machine?
20:27.29mthei am going to be opening 50mb .ppt things
20:27.44valdynmthe: thats going to suck
20:27.55mthei can do it on my old 600mhz p3, 384mb 100mhz ram
20:28.14valdynmthe: thats got to suck too
20:28.21mtheoh in debian its fine
20:28.26mthein ubuntu its woeful
20:28.28mthe:x
20:28.57valdynmthe: 384 vs 256 mb ram can make a huge difference
20:29.05valdynmthe: to swap or not to swap
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20:29.49Ace2016has anyone here installed flash player 10 beta 2 yet?
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20:29.53mthein dsl its actually fast but frankly i like updates
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20:30.20mtheso, if you were going to buy a silent fanless low-power pc, what would any1 here do?
20:30.38mtheexcept, it must have a HD, no flash-disk for me = :)
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20:31.51Ace2016mthe: hdd, quiet psu, quiet cpu fan (scythe heatsinks come highly recommended, very quiet, have one in the htpc) and get a fanless graphics card
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20:32.15chopsmthe: I've had quite good luck with this one from Cappuccino PC: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/slimpro-sp625.asp
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20:33.03chopsmthe: The only thing I can say is that 256MB is sadly not enough for a modern system.  Iceweasel and aptitude both tend to chug.
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20:33.25Ace2016build it yourself
20:33.26mtheahh ok, ty 4 the info = :)
20:33.34mthei will perhaps insist on 512mb
20:33.35chopsmthe: It's not bad enough to take buying more RAM out of the "need to get to it" queue yet, but it's definitely irritating
20:33.50Ace2016if you go with amd you can get the energy efficient processors, undervolt them, might be able to go fanless
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20:34.09mthe=  ^ ^
20:34.23Ace2016you need more ram than that
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20:34.40mthei have looked at loads of things - got a massive list - but i was wondering where all these nettops are that everyone is supposed to be releasing
20:34.46mthean the atom processors are apparently rather hot?
20:35.13Ace2016so?
20:35.27mtheso perhaps rather difficult for fanless, unless you go water-cooled?
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20:35.44Ace2016forget fanless, get a quiet fan
20:36.02mtheha, i want to be able to sleep 3 feet from it mate - i live in 1 room in london
20:36.08Ace2016or a fan controller to slow the fans down
20:36.09mtheand my hearing is good;)
20:36.50simNIXa fanless cooling tower w fluid as sugested could do that ...
20:36.51Ace2016mthe: my computer is next to my bed, its touching my bed, and it stays on all the time, well not right now, need a drive for the raid
20:37.17mtheahh :)
20:37.20Ace2016my hearing is sooo good i can hear the noise made by my laptop's psu
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20:37.55mthety simNIX Ace2016 chops and others,  i will go consider a water-cooled one / a v quiet fan;)
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20:38.18chopsmthe: np
20:38.33chopsmthe: FWIW the one I sent you is fanless as well
20:39.18Ace2016mthe: you could also use an intel pentium-m processor in a desktop motherboard with a 479 pin socket, then run fanless
20:39.26Ace2016fanless graphics is easy
20:39.41Ace2016its just the hard drives that drive me mad
20:40.07chopsmthe: You really can't hear it boot except for the beep -- the drive makes some noise, but if you replaced the drive with a flash drive I expect it would be difficult to tell if it was on or not from the noise.
20:40.57Demosthenesso any good choices for small business accounting with online updates on debian?
20:41.01Ace2016or you could go for the newer intel c2d merom processors  in a desktop
20:41.33chopsDemosthenes: Tried gnucash?  I only played with it very briefly, but it's certainly supposed to do what you just described.
20:41.46Demostheneschops: on debian, no online download
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20:45.00Lectuswhat's the difference between install and automated install in debian installer?
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20:51.08Nyleautomated partitioning you mean?
20:51.12Nyleguided rather
20:51.21NyleLectus, !
20:51.51LectusI mean at the menu there is install and advanced->automated install
20:51.56Lectuswhat's the difference?
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21:05.30NyleLectus, in the debian installer?
21:05.54Nylewhich? etch? lenny? daily?
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21:06.07NyleI've never heard of that option and I've installed debian countless times on countless machines
21:06.22Nylewell I mean not that many but I used to get high so I can't really remember so I can't really count
21:06.24Lectuslenny
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21:06.46Nyleexactly where does this option appear?
21:06.59pngwnxri, make sure you have at least 128 megs of swap
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21:07.15Nylepngwn, ?
21:07.23Lectusat the main menu there's Install / GUI install / Advanced options -> Automated Install
21:07.24infinitycircuitNyle: it's in the lenny beta install cds
21:07.32LectusI want to know what automated install does
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21:07.42NyleLectus, try reading the install guide maybe?
21:07.54Nyleyou know what the install guide contains?
21:07.59Nyleits a guide on how to isntall debian
21:08.01pozicCan I configure Iceweasel to cache the "previous" webpage?
21:08.32Lectusyes, I from what I've read it seems it one store some configuration files, the installer can automatically install a system the same way without user prompts
21:08.43Lectusbut I quite don't understand how it's done
21:08.44pozicGoing back should happen instantly.
21:09.03assasukasseis away:
21:09.10Nyleassasukasse, please stop that
21:09.16Nyle!tell assasukasse -about away
21:09.30assasukasseops, i tought i disabled it..
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21:10.55richdanyone wanna help me out with a flash drive problem?
21:11.15richdmy friend killed his i believe. Shows up as /dev/sdc, after a long time
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21:12.06soulchildHow can i open my .inbox file in thunderbird ?
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21:12.34richdhttp://pastebin.com/d568afdf is what my dmesg looks like for that USB flash drive
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21:15.29myosoundhey guys, is it possible to use dpkg -x to manually install 32bit libs in emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/ ?
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21:18.32tonkarhi all!
21:18.59tonkari have a little question and i hope you can help me
21:19.46infinitycircuittonkar: what is your issue?
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21:20.07tonkarok ok, i'm trying to write it in englsh
21:20.43soulchildIs there a way to forward all mails in .inbox ???
21:20.50tonkari need that a group has the same privileges that the user in a directory with all it's subdirs
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21:21.13gruHow can I unistalll an application after I installed it with a .tar.gz?
21:21.27soulchildgru: delete folders
21:21.37soulchildif it was binary
21:21.43infinitycircuittonkar: so you mean that you want to change the permissions of a directory and its subdirs to be owned by a certian group?
21:21.55Decepticonhwo do i leave a message for another user on my machine when he logs in via ssh?
21:21.59infinitycircuitchmod -R <user>:<group> <directory
21:22.03tonkaryep ... but also the same privileges
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21:22.18grusoulchild, I don't know if it is binary or no. I did a ./configure make && make install
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21:22.23tonkari mean, if user has rwx in a specific file, i want that de gruop too
21:22.24infinitycircuitgru: make uninstall
21:22.31gruthanks
21:22.36soulchildgru: then try make uninstall or make remove
21:22.45infinitycircuittonkar: then just chgrp -R <group> <directory>
21:23.02simNIXand chmod 775 on directories
21:23.05infinitycircuitand you can chmod g+rwx <directory> to allow groups to do that
21:23.10infinitycircuitor 775
21:23.12infinitycircuityes
21:23.34tonkarinfinitycircuit: mmm ...
21:23.47tonkari don't want all files with the same privileges
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21:24.09tonkarii only want that te group has the same privilesges that user has for specific files
21:24.20tonkari mean
21:24.57tonkarif i ha ve a file with -rw-r--r-- i want transform it to -rw-rw-r--
21:25.18simNIXchmod 664
21:25.19tonkaror it it is drwxr-x---, i want it to drwxrwx---
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21:25.28simNIXchmod 775
21:25.42tonkaryes yes, i know, but i don'w want to do it manually for all files
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21:25.51infinitycircuitchmod -R 775 is recursive
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21:26.12tonkaryes, but that is going to change all files
21:26.16zinxchmod -R g+w is more likely what he wants
21:26.28infinitycircuitoh i see what you want now
21:26.33tonkar:D
21:26.40tonkarscuce my english
21:26.42tonkar:P
21:26.46simNIXtonkar; how do you exprect your Linux to know which file needs this mod and wich not ?
21:27.04tonkari want that it copies the privileges that the user has
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21:28.19tonkardo you understand the question know?
21:28.24tonkar*now?
21:30.09stewberzerka: its been discussed many many times at length about trying to support downgrading.  its a rather large effort.  its just often viewed as something that isnt' worth the huge amount of effort it would take and nobody has a very good plan about how to handle the numerous difficult corner cases
21:30.14infinitycircuiti'm writing a script to do it for you for fun haha
21:30.17infinitycircuitgive me a sec
21:30.20tonkarnice
21:30.24tonkarwith awk?
21:30.31infinitycircuitsort of it's a bit of a hack
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21:32.14berzerkastew: i understand that, too bad. i wonder how portage manages this? i mean binary or not, downgrading is certainly possible with their system.
21:33.14TehMarzI have a problem. I want to use dual monitors with Debian, and I read that I need to download nvidia-glx. However, when I attempt to with synaptic, it tells me I need another package as well, and that package wants to remove /all/ my apps (somewhat literally). Anyone know what to do?
21:33.29stewberzerka: there are a lot of times when it is hard.  like when configuration files are not compatible between versions.  or think about when a bdb or a mysql db changes on-disk formats in place between versions
21:34.15stewberzerka: though i've often thought that maybe providing a way for maintainers to at least have a way to specify when they know that downgrading was safe would be a good start, i've not gotten a good reception from other developers when i've brought it up
21:34.30stewbut hey, look at the time,  its beer o'clock!
21:34.45stewhappy friday!
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21:35.36berzerkastew: well, gentoo operates on the general assumption that the user knows what he is doing when up or especially downgrading..
21:35.43berzerkastew: cheers :)
21:36.43berzerkastew: you have to always merge configuration files by and and such, but it gives you great flexibility, which i miss in all other distros, debian to the very least.
21:36.55berzerkastew: by hand, that is
21:37.57infinitycircuittonkar: http://pastebin.com/mf71f124.  be very very careful it has no error checking but worked fine in my brief test
21:38.18tonkarlet's try it :D
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21:39.58SebbohStupid question: when I create an lvm snapshot, which is a static image of the filesystem at that point in time, and which is a live, moving filesystem?
21:40.37soulchildHi all, can thunderbird open my local mails (~/.inbox) ???
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21:41.18Sebbohsoulchild, if no one answers in here check #mozilla (or ##mozilla, I forget.)
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21:43.31tonkarthe argument of the script is the path ?
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21:43.45tonkar$2 is the argument?
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21:44.08infinitycircuittonkar: no arguments in the script just cd to the chosen working directory and it will work from there
21:44.20infinitycircuiti am rewriting it to fix that though
21:44.23tonkarok .. lets try
21:45.28maddashiceweasel 3 isn't launching...
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21:47.04penper__hi. Anyone know of a good guide/article/tutorial for writing good C code? I'm not after a beginners tutorial, but more like good ways to structure up C code
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21:48.01tonkarmmm inifitycircuit
21:48.07infinitycircuittonkar: yes?
21:48.08tonkaryou do a cd for all arguments
21:48.18tonkarand no all are directoyieds
21:49.02infinitycircuittonkar: ls
21:49.02lbthow do I mark a package as debian-essential?
21:49.02infinitycircuittonkar: sorry du outputs directories on my system
21:49.05infinitycircuitso it is only cd'ing into directories
21:49.16tonkarinifitycircuit: ok
21:49.18tonkarsorry
21:49.21tonkaryou are right
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21:50.09tonkarmm ... i don't nkow why but it doesn work for me
21:50.32tonkari copy the script in the directoyry i want to "transform"
21:50.37tonkarand with bash script i run it
21:50.50tonkarit throws "userasgroupamepriv.script: line 7: cd: ./samples/LunarLander/src/com/google/android/lunarlander: No such file or directory
21:50.50tonkar"
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21:52.06infinitycircuitoh i think i know the problem
21:52.10yesitisjustmeon debian to open reposiotries is the command  gedit /ect/apt/sources.list   or is it a different command?
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21:52.50infinitycircuiti found another error but i don't know about yours
21:53.14yesitisjustmecause seems gedit command not found
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21:54.00yesitisjustmeanyone knows?
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21:54.02Sebbohyesitisjustme, use a different editor, like pico, nano, vi, vim, or mcedit.
21:54.13yesitisjustmeok
21:54.20yesitisjustmethanks
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21:55.30infinitycircuitoh i know the problem du only prints relative paths
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21:57.04tonkarmmm ... and?
21:57.05tonkar:P
21:57.17tonkarhow can i paste outpu in irc?
21:57.41Sebbohread the channel topic
21:57.42tonkari don'w want to flood the chat window
21:57.50Sebbohit has suggestions for that.
21:58.12tonkarread channel?
21:58.12tonkar:P
21:58.14philippcan someone tell me what will be installed when i choose "laptop" and "standard system?"
21:58.26infinitycircuittonkar: problem solved let me upload it again
21:58.30Sebboh#flood is one.  There are also paste bins..  I think if you /msg dpkg paste ..she will tell you some places to paste.
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21:58.35tonkarnice :D nice to meet you xD
21:59.03infinitycircuittonkar: http://pastebin.com/m1c4b9192
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21:59.41tonkarinfinitycircuit: how do you use pastebin ? for baste output or code , etc ,... with irc?
21:59.51vjoehow can I format my mp3 player?
22:00.13n3kl_vjoe: put a filesystem on it
22:00.35infinitycircuittonkar: just copy/paste your stuff into the pastebin, upload it, and then copy/paste the link
22:00.40n3kl_vjoe: have you googled?
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22:00.54vjoeI just need the command
22:01.00n3kl_man mkfs
22:01.03vjoebut thanks, a friend already gave it to me
22:01.11vjoeactually its mke2fs
22:01.22vjoehm but mkfs also works
22:01.23vjoethanks!
22:01.28vjoenow let's man it ;)
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22:01.30n3kl_I bet its fat
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22:03.01tonkarok, cool ... inifitycircuit
22:03.21tonkariw torks but with files, directories dont chage his permissions
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22:03.32TehMarzHey. Does anyone know how to use dual monitors with Debian? Preferably remaining Free?
22:04.03infinitycircuittonkar: yeah i changed it to to be like that to avoid another error but its easy to revert..just make the if statement be if [[ -f $item || -d $item ]];then
22:04.22tonkarok ...
22:04.26tonkarthanks a lot!
22:04.35infinitycircuittonkar: no problem it was a fun exercise
22:04.36tonkarit's a very userful script
22:04.44tonkarhappy programming :D
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22:06.19lbtTehMarz: buy an ATI card
22:06.29tonkarmm ...
22:06.31tonkari changed it
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22:06.35tonkarand :.... hmod: invalid mode: `g+ota\nrw-'
22:06.41tonkar*chmod
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22:06.49vjoen3kl_, I'm having some trouble
22:07.01vjoehugesystem:/home/hugo# mkfs -t fat /media/usbdisk/
22:07.01vjoemkfs.fat: No such file or directory
22:07.25tonkarahh ...ç
22:07.41tonkarproblems with the "d" of directoyy i think
22:07.53n3kl_vjoe: vfat
22:08.05vjoesame error
22:08.07lbtTehMarz: the radeon/ati driver does it very well - I run dual 1920x1280
22:08.14n3kl_vjoe: you need dosfstools too
22:08.22tonkarinfinitycircuit : ? ... problems :P
22:08.26TehMarzlbt: Well, I have a graphics card which allows me to use dual monitors (Radeon X1950 Pro), and was able to when I used XP. I believe the issue is entirely software-based. All I get now is the same graphic on both monitors.
22:08.43infinitycircuittonkar: are you sure you are using the latest pastebin? the addition of cd $start_dir/$dir should have fixed that error
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22:09.02nevynTehMarz: are you using the binary driver or the free driver?
22:09.06tonkaryes ..
22:09.10lbtolder cards are better supported - mine is 9200 or something (RV280)
22:09.26vjoen3kl_, now it says:
22:09.27vjoemkfs.vfat: unable to open /media/usbdisk/
22:09.27tonkarthe problem is when the script try to change de directoryes priviileges
22:09.29karma_Hm, does it point to some conversion mistake if i get reversed IP address (d.c.b.a instead of a.b.c.d)?
22:09.30vjoeI am as root
22:09.36lbtwhat does lspci | grep VGA say?
22:10.04tonkarand i think that it is because the "d" of the directories privileges
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22:10.18micolshow do i make 'lilo' run an a kernel only once after reboot?
22:10.23n3kl_vjoe: did you read the manpage? You don't format a directory, you format a partition.
22:10.35yesitisjustmeanyone know what are the minimum requirements for debian?
22:10.43TehMarznevyn: I use xserver-xorg, if that answers your question. I'm a Linux noob, sorry.
22:10.53tonkarmmm
22:10.57tonkarinifinitycircuit
22:11.07vjoen3kl_, a partition?
22:11.20vjoeI want to format my mp3 player, that's all
22:11.30n3kl_yesitisjustme: I have debian running on 32M of ram, with a 66Mhz processor.
22:11.31infinitycircuittonkar: sort of it's actually a bit of a different problem
22:11.33tonkarwhen i try : ls -l | cut -c 2- | cut -c -3, the first strgin is "ota"
22:11.42n3kl_yesitisjustme: or http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/i386/ch-hardware-req.en.html
22:11.58tonkarand all the next strings are correct
22:12.03tonkarah
22:12.09lbtDoes anyonw know how I mark a package as debian-essential?
22:12.16tonkarthe ota is because the "total 164039"
22:12.19infinitycircuityes
22:12.20tonkarof ls -l
22:12.20tonkar:P
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22:13.06lbtTehMarz: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say?
22:13.31yesitisjustmecool thanks
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22:14.04TehMarzlbt: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7280 (rev 9a)
22:14.35SebbohHow might I mount a single partition within a whole-disk image file?
22:15.14lbtTehMarz: that's too new for the free driver at the moment. ATI have released some specs though but don't hold your breath.
22:15.33TehMarzlbt: Damn. Okay, thanks anyway. :)
22:15.35lbtIf you aren't dual booting and want twinview then buy an old cheap card
22:15.42infinitycircuittonkar: i can't think of an elegant way to fix this so i'll just hack it up hhaa
22:16.21tonkarjaja .. ok. thanks a lot again
22:16.41lbtthe newer ones don't offer anything other than 3D performance (which includes eye-candy - but typically you can't have that at the reolution a twinview runs at anyway)
22:17.12tonkarbut it is strange, -f $item || -d -d $item should omit the "total ..."
22:17.28infinitycircuitno
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22:18.24tonkarmmm ... why? it isn't neither a file netiher a directory
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22:20.00PeterFAIs Debian a good desktop system?
22:20.33lbtPeterFA: yes
22:20.38tonkaryes it is :D
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22:20.53PeterFAlbt: I'm finding Kubuntu impossible to maintain. It can't configure for crap. It's really frustrating.
22:21.03Decepticonhow do i tell ncurses to make lines instead of dashes
22:21.11PeterFACanonical sucks like none other.
22:21.58Sebbohdpkg tell PeterFA about best
22:22.08Decepticondpkg tell me about best also
22:22.16micolsmy initrd fails to mount root, how do i check my initrd before i reboot, i have no monitor on my server?
22:22.22Sebboh.. that's not the factoid it used to have.
22:22.48lbtPeteFA: I find ubuntu provides a nice desktop on my laptop but I don't really 'use' it much. Debian is fine on my desktop but I tend to live on the command line so I can't comment much on gui simplicity
22:22.49micolsi managed to alt+sysrq+b and then type New2 into lilo to get it back up :)
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22:23.09Decepticon(dpkg) best distro is probably /topic
22:23.11Decepticonheh
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22:23.22PeterFASebboh: well, if it has all packages I want, and can autodetect, and not put me into a non-usable state, that's not recoverable, then that will do.
22:23.34peterrooneyPeterFA: install debian and join us.  join usss
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22:23.52jezu_hi
22:24.01PeterFApeterrooney: well, I have to kill irssi. Video has failed, I'm in CLI.
22:24.06jezu_I try to install a debian
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22:24.21SebbohPeterFA, re: all the packages you want, based on your discussion in #linux, you might be disappointed.  (Ok, #debian, don't freak out, you know I'm a debi-man, just sayin'..)
22:24.21jezu_somebody can help me?
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22:24.46vadmestejezu_:  just ask
22:24.50jezu_ok
22:25.18jezu_when i try to install debian, It asks me if the cd rom is well inserted in my device
22:25.42jezu_vadmeste: something like this: You're installation cd rom couldn't be mounted / this probably means that the cd-rom was not in the drive
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22:27.14Decepticonhow do i tell ncurses to make lines instead of dashes
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22:28.02vadmestejezu_:  wait
22:28.02hipodilskihow can I check my hard disk model I'm running debian?
22:28.11jezu_vadmeste: thx :d
22:28.13vadmestejezu_:  your problem is interessant
22:28.43jezu_ah ?
22:29.35vadmestejezu_:  so you inserted the debian CD number one, and you booted your PC
22:29.51vadmestejezu_:  and the installation program report this error
22:30.02jezu_yeah, but, it's a 'petit cd'
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22:30.06jezu_or small cd
22:30.13simNIXaha
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22:30.26jezu_It will download the rest of debian after, by internet
22:30.27simNIXso you need to choose ftp install perhaps ?
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22:31.05jezu_vadmeste: ahy idea?
22:31.10jezu_*any
22:31.31vadmestejezu_:  what do you mean by small CD ?
22:31.50simNIX(netinstall)
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22:32.15jezu_vadmeste: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
22:33.17xuniv_jezu:You can install debian from  your USB pendriver
22:34.17jezu_no, I do it from a cdrom
22:35.32kazolFor some reason GRUB installation failed when I was installing Debian; I have 3x80GB hds configured as software RAID-5: /boot is md0, / is md1, /var is md2, /var/log is md3, swap is md4, and /home is md5. The first 3 partitions are primary.
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22:36.29blerkim trying to install libc6-dev on a lenny box and im stuck in a loop, any way to force the older versionto install ?
22:36.44blerklibc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.7-10) but 2.7-12 is to be installed
22:37.29jezu_there is some 'expert' here?
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22:38.57peterrooneyjezu_: unfortuneately, you can't really boot from a software raid-5.  how do you tell the bios where to look?
22:39.15xuniv_blerk:you try with apt-get install libc6-dev
22:39.15peterrooneyjezu_: at least, that's how i understand it.
22:39.16jezu_hum, it is not a server
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22:39.53jezu_peterrooney: hum, it is ide hd, end cd drive
22:39.59jezu_*and
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22:40.26up365hipodilski, you can use gparted or Desktop-Admin-Disks
22:40.57peterrooneyjezu_: perhaps you can set up the first partition on one of hte hard drives as /boot ?
22:41.18stiv2khey how can I resume a partial copy of a file?
22:41.37jezu_peterrooney: hum, there is minix ( a fresh install )
22:41.41peterrooneytries to recall when he last did RAID from install
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22:42.04jezu_but, i don't know how to use it
22:42.15micolshow do i make my scsi root fs load on boot using initrd ?
22:42.17blerkxuniv_: that is what i did :p
22:42.30jezu_maybe you can help to set the network under minix?
22:42.48micolsshould i make all scsi as module and my fs as module (xfs) and then run mkinitrd?
22:42.56micolsor should i.e. sd_mod be in kernel
22:43.16blerkxuniv_: -dev depends on libc6 2.7-10 but i got 2.7.12 of libc6 installed
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22:43.32xuniv_blerk:so apt-get -f install
22:43.48stiv2kHow can I resume a partial copy of a file from 1 hard disk to another?
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22:44.36blerkxuniv_: that didnt install or do anything and still giving the error, guess i have to wait till 2.7-12 -dev is availible
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22:46.30blerkone of benifits of running lenny ;)
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22:48.02adamaI got a new HDD, booted a ubuntu liveCD, did this: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=16M , then fdisk /dev/sdb and rewrote the partition table. Shut down, swapped the drives and now I get GRUB error 17. Anyone see something I did wrong?
22:48.34edistar_sry if this is OT, but debian sid is running on the Openmoko neo freerunner, just wanted to inform you..
22:49.29Nylekazol, hi
22:49.59kazolHi Nyle.
22:50.08blerki386 2.7-12 3,299.4 kBits on packages.debian.org might be able to manualy install it and get around this loop
22:50.48Ace2016kazol: you just have to reinstall and change /boot to raid1, the others can be raid5 as before oh and make sure to use ext3 on /boot
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22:51.20blerkSetting up libc6-dev (2.7-12) ... lalala -1 for slow mirrors and apt-get
22:51.47Ace2016blerk: pick a closer mirror? http://www.debian.org/mirror/list
22:52.00kazolAce2016: Ok, thanks! I'll try it now.
22:52.23blerkim using ftp.debian.org in my apt sources
22:52.39blerkanyways it is fixed now
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22:54.04Nylewell
22:54.09Nyleblerk, don't use that if you can help it
22:54.11Nyle!mirrors
22:54.11dpkgsomebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
22:54.35epoxydoes anyone else have a problem with flash on their debian bawx?  it plays for 2 seconds..and stops..
22:54.38Nyleblerk, try ftp.<your two letter country code>.debian.org
22:54.46Nyleepoxy, adobe flash?
22:54.50epoxyhrm
22:54.53Nyleit is known to cause problems
22:55.48epoxyweird.. dpkg -l adobe or flash don't return anything
22:56.02epoxyNyle, weird.  i can use it on all my freebsd boxes in linux emu
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22:56.19Nyle!adobe flash
22:56.19dpkgAdobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo><adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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22:56.48Nyle!dbugs #457291
22:57.10Nyledpkg, ping
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22:58.17kazolAce2016: So the former /boot space in the third hd will by empty, right?
22:58.20dpkg#457291:S[flashplugin-nonfree] flashplugin-nonfree: decision 2007-12-21: keep this package out of stable starting with lenny; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:21:04 UTC
22:58.52Ace2016add all the partitions to the raid1
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23:14.05micolsmy server still won't boot i have compiled in scsi generic+disk support + dpt_i2o (adaptec) as module for my 3210S and also xfs as module , then i run after (make modules && make modules_install, yes i know is deprecated) a mkinitramfs 2.6.23.9 -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.23.9 and add init=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.23.9 to lilo after my newly compiled kernel name, lilo runs fine but it wont boot, what can be wrong?
23:14.40micolsmy root fs is on /dev/sda1 (external scsi disk hooked onto the 3210S adaptec)
23:15.36micolsi pass boot=/dev/sda root=/dev/sda1 to lilo, and i dont have the option of getting any error messages as i dont have a monitor, any idea what can be wrong.. i do use mkinitramfs instead of mkinitrd as i use a 2.6+ kernel
23:16.03micolsthe default of mkinitramfs should be to include all network and filesystem and scsi modules
23:16.19micolsso i dont see where the problem is, but im pretty sure its yet another "cannot mount root, tried" error.
23:16.44micolsi tried it before and i got that error.
23:17.09micolsadd initrd=.. even.
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23:33.55nslu-testingi'm trying to install debian on a NSLU2. the installer failed when formating the partition, i've now tried the image, following http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html. i've installed the kernel and put the 2GB flash disk in port1. can't connect...
23:34.19mohadibanyone know when pidgin icq connections will be fixed in lenny?
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23:34.21nslu-testingit mentions that the disk may be scanned, but it is now sitting there for an hour..
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23:35.35Ryan52How do I switch a system from i386 to amd64 (and back)?
23:35.42Nylereinstall
23:35.46Nyleor dual boot
23:35.51dondelelcaroRyan52: you can't do it trivially; the easy way is to use a chroot or similar.
23:35.57Nyleor take a amd64 and open a 32bit chroot would be yoru best bet
23:36.11nslu-testingi do this :-)
23:36.13Ryan52ya, okay.
23:36.13dondelelcaroor vice versa; doesn't really matter
23:36.14Nylethe /msg dpkg amd64 factoid has a link for the howto
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23:39.17Ryan52If I want to move the root filesystem to another hard drive, I would partition the other hard drive and rsync everything over. Once I do that is there any way to switch to that hard drive without rebooting?
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23:39.41mohadibno
23:40.01mohadibyou can chroot into it
23:40.10mohadibbut i dont think thats quite what you are looking for
23:40.53Ryan52well, my hard drives are hot swapable (I accidently discovered that :P), so I'm wondering if I can switch over without rebooting.
23:41.02gonzaloafhi, is there any problems with icedove? it is crashing and crashing
23:42.38|inuxmathwhy does Mozilla Official build work faster than debian's iceweasel?
23:43.31gravity|inuxmath: Firefox 3 is faster than Firefox 2, so if you've got version skew between ff and iceweasel that would account for it
23:43.39gravityGod, that's the most annoying nick to type ever
23:43.58|inuxmathmine?
23:44.08avuif you have irssi, you can just do inu<tab>
23:44.09Ryan52gravity: inu<TAB>
23:44.18gravityAh
23:44.29dondelelcarobut it's still anoying...
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23:44.39|inuxmathwho types nicks these days? :p
23:44.53gonzaloafhi, is there any place where I can get a thunderbird deb package ? because icedove seems to be abandoned
23:44.56dondelelcarolinuxmath: we type the first few letters, generally.
23:44.56gravityHaving your first character be the weird one is irritating though
23:45.34Ryan52gonzaloaf: a few weeks since last upload.
23:45.55Ryan52gonzaloaf: oh, a month
23:45.58gonzaloafRyan52, any solution¿?
23:46.10dondelelcarogonzaloaf: icedove is basically thunderbird; you won't find any more updated packages than the icedove ones, and if it's out of date, the best solution is to pitch in and help the developer maintaining the package
23:46.27gonzaloafdondelelcaro, I have reported many bugs
23:46.31dondelelcarogonzaloaf: since pretty much anyone who would maintain thunderbird would end up doing the same
23:46.41dondelelcarogonzaloaf: good! Now you can jump in and help fix them! ;-)
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23:47.15gonzaloafdondelelcaro, I'm triyng to help amarok, but icedove seems to need many hands
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23:48.56linko47hey there. is there a website that tells when the next kernel is supposed to be released for sid?
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23:49.30wolsgonzaloaf: how is Version: 2.0.0.14-1
23:49.33wolsabandoned?
23:50.03Ryan52linko47: releases of new packages (in general) usually aren't planned. Though you might be able to find when the next upstream release is.
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23:50.08gonzaloafwols, I mean its being developed very slow
23:50.34wolsgonzaloaf: thunderbird itself isn't farther than 2.0.0.14 either IIRC
23:51.01Ryan52gonzaloaf: there are 300 bugs. You can't expect them to be able to take care of all of that quicky.
23:51.09gonzaloafwols, but icedove keeps many bugs that thunderbird no
23:51.10MundusWhat's up with iceweasel anyways, didn't they GNU rename it icecat?
23:51.11linko47oh. i see. so someone just feels like uploading the new kernel?
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23:51.16gonzaloafdont*
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23:51.26wolsgonzaloaf: of what version do you speak exactly?
23:51.34dondelelcaroMundus: iceweasel is Debian's name; I've no idea about the GNU project
23:51.38wolsabd what debian branch
23:51.59Ryan52linko47: I mean that they don't plan 'on this day this is going to happen'. They do the work when it needs to be done. and when they think that there are enough changes for a new upload, then they plan to make a new upload.
23:52.10gonzaloafwols, 2.0.0.14
23:52.41MundusAhh... GNU actually named their browser iceweasel too, but renamed it because of the confusion
23:52.47wolsgonzaloaf: then I don't really get how it's different
23:52.50wolsfrom upstream that is
23:53.17gonzaloafwols, bugs
23:53.17Ryan52linko47: If there's a major security bug found, then once they get that fixed there will be a new upload. When I new upstream kernel is available they will work on getting it packaged and when it's ready they will upload it.
23:53.32gonzaloafwols, some add ons dont work
23:53.37Ryan52linko47: err, when a
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23:55.14gyaresuhey. Anyone know the fix to a new Lenny install that seems to have some weird encoding on some letters for example when i do a 'man screen'? just the  occasional letter seems to have a 'caret' or an 'umlaut'.
23:55.17gravityI'd be surprised if iceweasel was heavily modified from upstream
23:55.25gravitys/iceweasel/icedove/
23:55.32gravityAlthough really both
23:55.43linko47is there anywhere to check that status Ryan52?
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23:56.00Ryan52linko47: you could ask in #debian-kernel on oftc, I guess.
23:56.27Ryan52linko47: that's where the people who do all of the debian kernel work are at.
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23:56.56up365gonzaloaf, you can change the iceweasel name to firefox in about:config, gets some addons working
23:56.59linko47oh. nice. thanks
23:57.19gonzaloafup365, I'm talking about icedove
23:57.30up365sorry misread
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23:58.01Ryan52up365: but that could void your warranty :D
23:58.09gonzaloafup365, but thanks anyway, what key?
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23:59.17up365gonzaloaf, Go to (or filter by): general.useragent.extra.firefox   Exchange Iceweasel with Firefox: Firefox/2.0.0.3
23:59.30gonzaloafup365, ok

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