| 00:01.28 | abrotman | DawnLight: did you see that ? |
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| 00:03.15 | Nyle | is there a tool that converts plaintext to paragraph <p></p> formatted html? |
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| 00:03.43 | Nyle | like all line retunrs are treated as a beginning of paragraph |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | sed? |
| 00:03.53 | Nyle | oh yeh |
| 00:04.08 | Nyle | now to figure out the regex of it |
| 00:04.19 | Nyle | probably gonna have trouble with this one |
| 00:04.49 | abrotman | #sed? |
| 00:04.49 | simonrvn | you could always use some scripting language + an xml library/module/whatever |
| 00:04.59 | Nyle | what do you mean? |
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| 00:05.02 | Nyle | simon |
| 00:05.39 | simonrvn | ...instead of having to parse shit, just tell it to do stuff when it sees something |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | Nyle: are the paragraphs a single line? or does each line have a \ |
| 00:05.46 | abrotman | n |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | bah .. glue it together :) |
| 00:05.51 | Nyle | sed should work, its not hard to come up with the regex i just never did regex before you know not good with it, but just finding beginnign of line, inserting <p>, end of line, insert th other one |
| 00:06.06 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:06.32 | Nyle | each paragraph is a single line |
| 00:06.54 | Nyle | not \n, line returns/enters/carriage returns whatever |
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| 00:07.06 | jelly-home | s/^/<p>/ |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | yeah .. \n |
| 00:07.18 | Nyle | yeh |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | s/^/<p>/g |
| 00:07.24 | Nyle | http://www.regular-expressions.info/ |
| 00:07.26 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:07.34 | abrotman | and s/$/<\/p>/g |
| 00:07.34 | Nyle | let me see what these ^ and stuff do |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | backup the file first |
| 00:07.40 | jelly-home | and </p> has been unneeded since... a long time ago |
| 00:07.43 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:07.50 | Nyle | jelly-home, really? |
| 00:07.51 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's required for strict html |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | it'll never pass the w3c test without |
| 00:08.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: and /g makes no sense for ^ |
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| 00:08.12 | Nyle | oh ^ is begining |
| 00:08.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: you still need </p>!!! |
| 00:08.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: but .. yeah .. the /g won't do much :) |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | on either count |
| 00:08.58 | jelly-home | whatever. I bet HTML4 or XHTML don't need it |
| 00:09.08 | Nyle | yes it does |
| 00:09.09 | abrotman | xhtml most certainly does |
| 00:09.14 | Nyle | strict dtd |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | html4 will work without it .. but not html4 strict |
| 00:09.31 | abrotman | or rather .. it won't validate |
| 00:09.42 | simonrvn | jelly-home: they do |
| 00:09.46 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 00:09.52 | abrotman | i'm sure all the browsers are used to dealing with front-page code and will still render it right |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | DawnLight: did you get it ? |
| 00:10.10 | simonrvn | more or less. i've seen browsers crash on really bad pages |
| 00:10.33 | simonrvn | TBF, that was many moons ago =) |
| 00:11.19 | Nyle | i validate strict xhtml and css |
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| 00:11.23 | simonrvn | abrotman: don't forget m$ word export to html documents *shudder* |
| 00:11.34 | magyar | i am looking for firefox 3 for lenny, is it available? |
| 00:11.40 | Nyle | for ie it sends it as txt/html and for mozilla or capable browsers it sends at application xml mhxmlt |
| 00:11.41 | simonrvn | or lookout express... you get the picture |
| 00:11.43 | Nyle | aldjflakdjf |
| 00:11.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: i haven't seen one of those since like .. 1999 |
| 00:11.54 | Nyle | so simple tiny error and xml poops out on me |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | magyar: same as last week |
| 00:12.03 | Nyle | so its good to do strict |
| 00:12.04 | magyar | bahh |
| 00:12.06 | bokey | !tell magyar about icedove |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | magyar: maybe you should use packages.debian.org ... instead of asking us every day |
| 00:12.15 | simonrvn | application/xml+xhtml |
| 00:12.17 | abrotman | bokey: knock it off |
| 00:12.57 | bokey | magyar: s/icedove/iceweasel/geeeeee |
| 00:13.04 | bokey | abrotman: dude... relax |
| 00:13.05 | simonrvn | i send /html or xml+xhtml depending on content, not browser. fuck IE. |
| 00:13.42 | abrotman | bokey: that wasn't any help at all |
| 00:14.07 | bokey | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:15.36 | Sweetandy | How do I find out my screen resolution from the terminal? |
| 00:15.52 | magyar | abrotman: but there is no info as to in what stage the rollout for 3 is |
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| 00:16.00 | abrotman | magyar: same as it always is |
| 00:16.00 | magyar | for lenny |
| 00:16.07 | jelly-home | Sweetandy: use xdpyinfo or xrandr output |
| 00:16.09 | abrotman | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 00:16.10 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
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| 00:16.30 | jelly-home | !info iceweasel sid |
| 00:16.33 | magyar | now thats new....., to my eyes |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | magyar: so now .. instead of asking us .. you can just look there |
| 00:16.47 | Sweetandy | jelly-home: Thanks the big one!! 8 D |
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| 00:16.58 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3652 kB |
| 00:17.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: you're a big one! |
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| 00:17.01 | magyar | abrotman: thanks for the info, as always |
| 00:17.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's what SHE said |
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| 00:19.24 | magyar | nice page, never new about the ten day policy |
| 00:20.38 | magyar | !why is xulrunner not in testing |
| 00:20.39 | dpkg | xulrunner is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xulrunner |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | magyar: msg the bot please .. or just edit the URL |
| 00:20.51 | jelly-home | magyar: /msg dpkg why ... |
| 00:20.53 | abrotman | or for that one .. click on it |
| 00:21.03 | abrotman | since you were already on the iceweasel page |
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| 00:21.38 | abrotman | but i'm pretty sure 0 of 10 days is pretty obvious |
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| 00:24.08 | jelly-home | ... ooh, stuff is frozen? |
| 00:24.33 | magyar | had no clue, whats is the ten day rule? |
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| 00:28.19 | stew | magyar: low priority uploads and packages not in stable have to be in unstable for 10 days before moving to testing |
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| 00:29.54 | jelly-home | ... have to be in unstable [implied: and not acquire release-critical bugs] for 10 days... |
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| 00:31.28 | stew | uhh, i don't mean not in stable but not in testing |
| 00:31.55 | stew | jelly-home: they can acquire RC bugs. they just have to have less rc bugs than the version in testing they are replacing |
| 00:32.21 | magyar | which is |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | he's just saying in general |
| 00:32.41 | jelly-home | stew: ah, I didn't know that |
| 00:32.42 | magyar | bug number or severity |
| 00:33.06 | magyar | sry, number of bugs |
| 00:34.12 | magyar | would expect mozilla code somewhat cleaner |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | hahahah |
| 00:34.22 | magyar | -_- |
| 00:34.58 | magyar | its only a brower after all |
| 00:35.30 | magyar | lynx with a giu, that is all |
| 00:35.39 | magyar | gui |
| 00:35.51 | jelly-home | um. not really. |
| 00:36.19 | magyar | cant spell shit,...thanks heineken |
| 00:36.35 | jelly-home | lynx doesn't have a working javascript vm |
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| 00:38.27 | abrotman | or plugin framework ? |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | or dom inspector .. |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | should we continue ? |
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| 00:41.07 | magyar | k, ok, i give in -_- |
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| 00:47.48 | ZitZ | my gcc-4.3 give me this error: cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
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| 00:48.30 | ZitZ | actually, that's not the error but it says that and then it says what the error is and doesn't compile the code |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | compiling what? and with what command ? |
| 00:49.27 | Roots | I'm having problems with the new nvidia kernel module I compiled (X won't start). I looked at the xorg.log and there are a bunch of lines like these: "compiled for 1.4.0.90, module version = 1.0.0", only the versions aren't the same for all of those lines and I know they should be. How to I fix that? |
| 00:49.32 | ZitZ | well, i'm compiling xmess-sdl (the multi system emulator) with gcc-4-3 with make, on a ps3 |
| 00:49.52 | ZitZ | i'm not on the ps3 but i have an ssh tunnel open to it |
| 00:50.13 | abrotman | the make file might specify the option to treat warnnigs as errors |
| 00:50.24 | ZitZ | let me check |
| 00:50.26 | jelly-home | ZitZ: and the manual or gcc --help don't provide options to work around that? |
| 00:51.16 | jelly-home | yeah, figuring out the actual command line is useful |
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| 00:52.10 | JonkoPA | Hello. I think my box has been cracked, what files do I view for ip's(who logged in ... ? ) |
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| 00:52.24 | garotosopa | How do I list the dependencies of a package? |
| 00:52.30 | abrotman | JonkoPA: take it off line |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | garotosopa: apt-cache show |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | garotosopa: apt-cache depends |
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| 00:53.02 | JonkoPA | abrotman, yes I already did that. |
| 00:53.07 | JonkoPA | abrotman, what now? |
| 00:53.16 | garotosopa | abrotman, thank you. |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | your syslog/message/auth.log |
| 00:53.48 | garytayl2 | #leave |
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| 00:54.04 | ZitZ | abrotman was right, it was in the makefile, and no, i tried reading the manual, which mentioned the -k option which i tried but that just makes it not create the executable in the end |
| 00:54.35 | Ian_Daniher | I get a "no screens found" error on my debian system using a via graphics chipset |
| 00:54.45 | r0b | can someone tell me why citadel is needed, when install the nvidia driver the debain way? |
| 00:54.57 | Ian_Daniher | the monitor is a generic dell P.O.S. - ~15" |
| 00:55.16 | Ian_Daniher | I've tried dpkg-reconfiguring it to no avail |
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| 00:55.44 | ZitZ | thanks abrotman |
| 00:55.53 | Ian_Daniher | any ideas? |
| 00:58.50 | r0b | no one knows? |
| 00:59.55 | ZitZ | Ian, we might need to see your xorg file in order to figure out the problem |
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| 01:02.07 | wols_ | Ian_Daniher: logs please |
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| 01:03.51 | TiMiDo | is there any GUI partion app? |
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| 01:05.21 | magyar | cfdisk |
| 01:06.50 | TiMiDo | magyar: cannot find it |
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| 01:10.34 | abrotman | TiMiDo: are you root ? |
| 01:10.58 | TiMiDo | yeah why |
| 01:11.16 | abrotman | did you install cfdisk ? |
| 01:11.17 | Ian_Daniher | wols_: http://69.61.230.246/ |
| 01:11.19 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 01:11.20 | Ian_Daniher | err |
| 01:11.21 | Ian_Daniher | daniher.com |
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| 01:14.54 | Ian_Daniher | wols_: xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log are there |
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| 01:17.33 | wols_ | Ian_Daniher: what does lspci say? |
| 01:17.46 | wols_ | could be that driver doesn't recognize your chip (yet) |
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| 01:19.08 | Ian_Daniher | wols_: I've had it working before |
| 01:20.44 | Ian_Daniher | wols_: "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA technologies, Inc. UniChrome Pro IGP (rev 01) |
| 01:20.51 | Ian_Daniher | " |
| 01:20.52 | DawnLight | abrotman: i didn't succeed |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | but it was the right command! |
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| 01:24.29 | DawnLight | i'm using debian.exe in virtualbox and in the boot, grub tells me that "Your CPU does not support long mode. Use a 32 bit distribution.". why? why?? |
| 01:24.35 | mxmxmx | can anyone tell me how to install zend optimizer? |
| 01:25.47 | DawnLight | abrotman: i got passed that thing and there was a different problem. anywayz, rt2561 sucks |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:25.54 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:26.47 | enry | wheres the best place to place an iptables sscript for server start up? |
| 01:26.54 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'm going to go wild with installing debian on people's desktops |
| 01:27.14 | abrotman | like a crack dealer .. give it away for free! |
| 01:28.32 | mxmxmx | anyone? :( |
| 01:28.46 | abrotman | mxmxmx: it's not in debian |
| 01:29.07 | abrotman | and i thought you had to pay for it |
| 01:29.10 | abrotman | mxmxmx: maybe ask ##php |
| 01:29.16 | mxmxmx | no |
| 01:29.19 | mxmxmx | its free to use |
| 01:29.26 | mxmxmx | just the code is not open source |
| 01:29.27 | enry | abrotman: how about me :P where should i edit to have my script execute on startup, specifically for iptables |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 01:30.17 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | but for iptables .. use the pre-up in your interfaces file |
| 01:30.36 | abrotman | mxmxmx: right .. not in debian .. ask ##php |
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| 01:31.52 | rysiek | hi all |
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| 01:31.59 | rysiek | any living souls? |
| 01:33.40 | Caemyr | not in CET |
| 01:33.59 | DawnLight | abrotman: i want to use a custom debian.exe with a preseed. is this possible? |
| 01:34.11 | abrotman | huh |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:34.19 | abrotman | you mean the goodbye-microsoft thing ? |
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| 01:34.28 | Caemyr | debian.exe? |
| 01:34.34 | DawnLight | yes, that |
| 01:34.36 | DawnLight | i love that |
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| 01:34.50 | Caemyr | sounds... scary |
| 01:34.57 | abrotman | DawnLight: NFC .. ask the guy that runs the site |
| 01:34.59 | DawnLight | but i want it to use a preseed. and how do i make and use a preseed? |
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| 01:35.24 | Caemyr | it sounds not right... |
| 01:35.39 | rysiek | guys, I need to run startx as a certain user from an init.d script |
| 01:35.46 | rysiek | su -c startx username works from the commandline as root |
| 01:35.52 | rysiek | but not from the init.d script during bootup |
| 01:35.55 | Caemyr | just like ntoskrnl in elf |
| 01:36.07 | rysiek | "user not authorized to run X" |
| 01:36.18 | Caemyr | running x from root... yuck |
| 01:36.24 | rysiek | .Xauthority and ICEauthority files are AOK |
| 01:36.35 | rysiek | Caemyr: su -c startx someuser |
| 01:36.35 | Caemyr | its disabled by default |
| 01:36.38 | rysiek | not as root |
| 01:36.54 | Caemyr | oh |
| 01:36.57 | rysiek | aye |
| 01:36.59 | Caemyr | wait... |
| 01:37.16 | rysiek | and it works from the root shell AOK,just not from within an init.d script |
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| 01:38.48 | Caemyr | seen that somewhere, but i`m not sure its anything related:/ |
| 01:39.32 | rysiek | darn |
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| 01:43.05 | DawnLight | what does the "Limitations" in http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs01.html mean? |
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| 01:55.29 | abrotman | !qotd |
| 01:55.29 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 215 (2008-06-23) |
| 01:55.35 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:55.40 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:55.40 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
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| 02:00.03 | Anthro | Anyone know if the EW-7318USG (USB WiFi) is supported by the zd1211rw driver in the etch kernel? |
| 02:00.27 | abrotman | did you build it already? |
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| 02:02.28 | Anthro | abrotman: Was that to me? |
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| 02:03.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:04.24 | Anthro | abrotman: I didn't build the etch kernel. I'd rather use the package. |
| 02:05.17 | Anthro | abrotman: I'm trying to figure out whether I should buy the EW-731USG, since I intend to use it with an etch system to provide a wireless AP. |
| 02:05.32 | abrotman | did you build the driver |
| 02:05.38 | Anthro | Er, EW-7318USB |
| 02:05.45 | Anthro | Crap. Keep mistyping. |
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| 02:05.53 | Anthro | EW7318USG |
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| 02:06.28 | Anthro | abrotman: Doesn't the etch kernel include it? It's part of 2.6.18. |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | !find zd12 etch |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | Anthro: do you have etch installed ? |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | anywhere i mean |
| 02:07.16 | Anthro | abrotman: Not currently. I'm putting together a system. |
| 02:07.44 | Anthro | abrotman: I do have a debian-built 2.6.18 kernel around, and modinfo zd1211rw finds it. |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zd12' (2 of 20): (/usr/src/zd1211.tar.bz2, /usr/share/modass/overrides/zd1211-source) in net/zd1211-source ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7/include/config/zd1211rw.h, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7/include/config/usb/zd1201.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7. |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | Anthro: okay .. do you know the usb ID ? |
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| 02:08.11 | Anthro | abrotman: Hrm. No. Let me do some googling. |
| 02:08.55 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.15 | abrotman | i don't think he has the device |
| 02:09.23 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 02:09.29 | Anthro | abrotman: Correct. I'm considering buying it. |
| 02:10.03 | abrotman | did you find it ? |
| 02:10.08 | Anthro | not yet |
| 02:10.51 | abrotman | it appears to be an ralink device ? |
| 02:11.24 | Anthro | Not sure. I thought it was a zd1211b device, but I may be mistaken. |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=4405 |
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| 02:13.32 | Anthro | Hm. Yeah, looks like it needs rt73. Hrm. I'm not sure if that's in 2.6.18. It might have been added in 2.6.23 or it might be independent. |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | it's not *in* .. but it is available |
| 02:15.54 | Anthro | abrotman: Looks like it wants 2.6.24 at first glance. |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | you can build it with m-a in etch |
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| 02:17.14 | Anthro | abrotman: rt73-source doesn't appear to be in stable. |
| 02:17.58 | Anthro | abrotman: stable is in my sources.list, but apt-cache policy rt73-source only shows testing and unstable. |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 02:18.18 | abrotman | !rt73 |
| 02:18.18 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | maybe rt2x00 ? |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | !rt2x00 |
| 02:18.58 | dpkg | The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Etch: Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Lenny: Drivers included as from kernel 2.6.24. Also ask about <ralink firmware>. |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | yay!!!!!! |
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| 02:19.40 | Anthro | abrotman: Hrm, okay. But will they drive that USB device? |
| 02:19.41 | DawnLight | don't remind me of these things |
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| 02:20.32 | DawnLight | i have nothing but trouble with ralink. two devices i've tried to make work. one pci and on usb. no go. bad, bad ,bad. |
| 02:20.57 | abrotman | Anthro: supposedly .. but i've not used them myself |
| 02:21.06 | DawnLight | did |
| 02:21.14 | Anthro | abrotman: Looks pretty promising. Okay, I'm comfortable buying it, then. |
| 02:21.22 | DawnLight | Anthro: noooooo |
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| 02:21.23 | abrotman | Anthro: that said .. you could always get the backported lenny kernel from backports.org |
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| 02:21.36 | Anthro | DawnLight: ? |
| 02:21.36 | abrotman | Anthro: or use the etchnhalf kernel |
| 02:21.40 | DawnLight | don't buy ralink |
| 02:21.56 | Anthro | DawnLight: Er, why not? |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | lots of people buy them and don't have problems |
| 02:22.05 | nevyn | intel despite the firmware stupidness is pretty good. |
| 02:22.17 | nevyn | but atheros is where it's at for 3rd party a/b/g stuff |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | right .. but the ralink isn't really that bad .. |
| 02:22.21 | DawnLight | atheros is good |
| 02:22.39 | DawnLight | i'd buy another atheros right now |
| 02:22.39 | nevyn | abrotman: I've had trouble |
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| 02:23.12 | Anthro | Well, what I need is a USB device that isn't absurdly expensive and has a replaceable antenna since I'll be using it to provide an access point from a machine running Debian stable. Any specific model suggestions? |
| 02:23.43 | DawnLight | Anthro: go atheros pci |
| 02:23.58 | Anthro | DawnLight: Needs to be USB. Not PCI. |
| 02:24.30 | DawnLight | Anthro: not many cards know to be APs |
| 02:24.38 | DawnLight | atheros does |
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| 02:26.10 | Anthro | DawnLight: Okay, so is there a suitable atheros USB device with a replaceable antenna? |
| 02:26.37 | DawnLight | Anthro: check the atheros website, i don't know. only used pci |
| 02:27.45 | Anthro | DawnLight: madwifi is the atheros driver and doesn't support USB. |
| 02:28.02 | DawnLight | Anthro: why can't you go pci? |
| 02:28.06 | DawnLight | laptop? |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | why are you arguing with him |
| 02:28.16 | DawnLight | out of pci slots? |
| 02:28.39 | Anthro | DawnLight: Compact case/mobo, need to use the single PCI slotfor wired ethernet. |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | !ath5k |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | ath5k is probably a completely free (no proprietary HAL) wireless driver for Atheros 5xxx wireless LAN chipsets. It is a _very_ new driver under heavy development. See http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k and http://madwifi.org/wiki/About/ath5k for more information. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See also <wireless tree>. |
| 02:29.07 | DawnLight | w00t ever |
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| 02:31.52 | micols | anyone experienced black screen under xorg with fglrx ati driver? |
| 02:32.04 | micols | i get nothing except a black screen when i 'startx' |
| 02:32.17 | DogBoy | is it relaxing |
| 02:32.24 | micols | and works with nvidia driver and nvidia card perfectly, and i did nvidia --uninstall before installing latest 8.6 ati driver (catalyst) |
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| 02:33.37 | DawnLight | is it possible to run a script from a preseed? |
| 02:34.37 | DawnLight | i want to run a script in the installation process |
| 02:35.23 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m321288ea any idea why xorg crashes here? |
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| 02:36.24 | micols | perhaps because it loads glx? |
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| 02:44.03 | DawnLight | is there a way to dump a system's package state into a file and to use this to setup another system? |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | !tell DawnLight about debian clone |
| 02:44.50 | DawnLight | abrotman: iz da bom |
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| 02:46.23 | DawnLight | abrotman: why is the aptitude way so crappy? |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | its b etter? |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | !aptitude clone |
| 02:46.40 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 02:46.54 | abrotman | see ... easy as pie |
| 02:47.22 | DawnLight | easy but wtf is all this non-trivial stuff |
| 02:48.11 | abrotman | it's not |
| 02:48.31 | jelly-home | show me an OS with trivial reinstallation of the exact software set |
| 02:48.44 | DawnLight | ahm... debian |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: god damn it .. get in bed .. you have to work tomorrow |
| 02:48.54 | jelly-home | today. |
| 02:48.59 | abrotman | that too! |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | it's like .. 4am there~! |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | 5am ? |
| 02:49.16 | jelly-home | 5am... but I'll be up at 7! :-) |
| 02:49.25 | abrotman | ok |
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| 02:56.16 | kanzure | I can't seem to Google adequately for information on dual heading my laptop. The links are tending to assume two video cards, which isn't my case. |
| 02:56.50 | kanzure | like http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxAndDualMonitors.html or http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
| 02:57.43 | nevyn | kanzure: what video card? |
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| 03:04.35 | poseidon | kanzure, I have dual-heads and one video card. If you have nvidia then you can even use a gui to do it for you ;) |
| 03:05.42 | poseidon | dpkg, tell kanzure about xinerama |
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| 03:06.58 | nevyn | if you have an intel card you can do it without restarting X |
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| 03:17.58 | kanzure | nevyn: Seems to be an ATI. |
| 03:18.23 | Nyle | xinerama + dri == nono |
| 03:18.42 | kanzure | hm? |
| 03:18.43 | Nyle | its one or the other |
| 03:18.47 | kanzure | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:18.51 | Nyle | !dr |
| 03:18.52 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
| 03:18.53 | kanzure | And apt-get install xinerama fails. |
| 03:18.54 | Nyle | !dri |
| 03:18.55 | dpkg | it has been said that dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
| 03:19.08 | Nyle | xinerama is an extention of X |
| 03:19.09 | kanzure | Hm. |
| 03:19.13 | nevyn | xinerama + dri is all good. |
| 03:19.19 | nevyn | on intel. |
| 03:19.20 | Nyle | nevyn, where? |
| 03:19.23 | kanzure | xinerama: command not found |
| 03:19.32 | Nyle | !xinerama |
| 03:19.33 | dpkg | somebody said xinerama was where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
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| 03:20.08 | nevyn | as long as the overall frambuffer size is smaller than 2048x2048 unless you have a 965 chipset where it can be 4096x4096 |
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| 03:20.35 | Nyle | dude... |
| 03:20.41 | nevyn | ? |
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| 03:32.03 | mxmxmx | i am trying to load ffmpeg.so in php.ini but it doenst laod it, the ffmpeg.so is located at /usr/local/src/ffmpeg-php-0.5.0/modules/ |
| 03:32.09 | mxmxmx | is that were it is suppsed to be? |
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| 03:36.00 | scatterp | hi i downloaded a couple of versions |
| 03:36.05 | scatterp | they are not booting for me |
| 03:36.13 | scatterp | can some one give me some guidence ? |
| 03:36.36 | muddd | can you be more specific? |
| 03:36.38 | scatterp | when i try to boot from cd |
| 03:36.43 | scatterp | i get _ flashing |
| 03:36.45 | scatterp | top left |
| 03:36.58 | scatterp | i tryed netinst version |
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| 03:37.04 | scatterp | and cd1 i64 |
| 03:37.08 | n-iCe | !googleearth |
| 03:37.08 | scatterp | both wouldnt boot |
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| 03:37.58 | scatterp | muddd what should i do ? |
| 03:38.10 | muddd | can you boot from other cds? |
| 03:38.19 | scatterp | sure |
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| 03:38.27 | berto- | hello. i installed the debian xen kernel but need an additional module. how can i recompile debian's xen packages? |
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| 03:38.32 | muddd | did you look at the checksum for the cds you downloaded? |
| 03:38.34 | scatterp | debian-40r3-ia64-CD-1.iso and debian-40r3-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 03:38.36 | scatterp | no |
| 03:38.41 | scatterp | how can i check that ? |
| 03:39.10 | muddd | get the md5 file for each download then check using md5sum |
| 03:39.23 | Sebboh | Hi. My file command isn't as smart as I'd expect. For example, file SomeClass.class (java) returns "data". Can I install some extra package to give it more magic? |
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| 03:40.00 | scatterp | i dont see a md5 file ? |
| 03:40.08 | muddd | where did you download froM? |
| 03:40.48 | scatterp | http://www.debian.org/ |
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| 03:43.10 | muddd | its a list... here it is: |
| 03:43.12 | muddd | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/ia64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 03:43.31 | scatterp | ok got it |
| 03:43.45 | muddd | live long and prosper |
| 03:43.50 | JMPH | hello all , one question i installed PHP5 in my debian server trought apt but i need to add it to may $PATH how can i do it ? |
| 03:46.13 | pipeline | JMPH: Depends on your shell. In general, you shouldn't need to add it to your path. Just reference it directly. |
| 03:46.21 | pipeline | JMPH: The $PATH variable works just like it does on windows. |
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| 03:47.02 | JMPH | mmmm ok i have my site with the test.php file and i want to executre in console... |
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| 03:49.12 | JMPH | any example of what should i write on the console to execute it? |
| 03:49.49 | dewey | so realplayer update is broken? |
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| 03:53.30 | scatterp | muddd i confirmed the md5 checksums |
| 03:53.34 | scatterp | there correct |
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| 03:54.00 | scatterp | for all 3 of the versions i tryed to use none of which boot .. |
| 03:54.06 | muddd | did you download the correct ones? you do need the i64? |
| 03:54.14 | scatterp | i have a duel core laptop |
| 03:54.52 | muddd | and you double checked your bios about booting cds? |
| 03:55.00 | scatterp | i pressed f12 |
| 03:55.04 | scatterp | and manualy selected |
| 03:55.07 | muddd | how did you burn them? |
| 03:55.08 | scatterp | boot from cd |
| 03:55.13 | scatterp | with nero |
| 03:55.23 | scatterp | selecting "burn image" |
| 03:55.39 | scatterp | to newly bought cds "sony" |
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| 03:55.49 | muddd | you are in windows... you used md5sum? did you have to download that |
| 03:55.55 | scatterp | yes |
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| 03:57.05 | scatterp | i see the right files on the cds too |
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| 03:58.16 | muddd | maybe if you change the boot order in the bios so it looks for the cds first instead of manually selecting them... i know of some cd drives that spindown and time out for boot |
| 03:58.31 | scatterp | ok testing |
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| 04:00.34 | scatterp | nope no luck |
| 04:00.40 | scatterp | it does seem to "spin down" |
| 04:00.42 | scatterp | if that helps |
| 04:01.02 | scatterp | any way i could boot via usb ? |
| 04:01.05 | scatterp | or from windows ? |
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| 04:01.20 | muddd | not that i know of those are installation cds... hmm. |
| 04:02.37 | scatterp | is there any live version of debian that fits on usb that i could perhaps update or install from ? |
| 04:03.35 | muddd | you could install vbox on your windows machine and run the debian isos from it... virtualization |
| 04:03.41 | muddd | if you are just checking it out n stuff |
| 04:03.48 | HeXiLed | when apt fetches files from a mirror; what is the default port used by the mirror ? |
| 04:04.45 | muddd | i run vbox on my debian machine and have XP virtualized... as well as a few linux live-cds |
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| 04:05.19 | muddd | ubuntu is based from debian... maybe try one of those bootable live-cds and if you like it you can install it. |
| 04:05.36 | muddd | to check if your computer's settings are to blame or just the debian cds |
| 04:06.15 | muddd | if you are new to linux ubuntu is user-friendly. I install it on friend's computers who are tired of getting virii off the web. |
| 04:07.34 | pipeline | muddd: first, the plural of virus is virus. |
| 04:07.41 | pipeline | muddd: alterantively, viruses. |
| 04:07.45 | poseidon | muddd, I've only ever met one other person (that lives near me) who runs linux. He ran ubuntu. We will never be friends because of how he put down debian :D |
| 04:08.12 | pipeline | muddd: in latin, virus was already a numberless noun. It was not possible to pluralize it. |
| 04:08.12 | pipeline | muddd: secondly, #ubuntu. |
| 04:08.40 | muddd | wikipedia discusses virii |
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| 04:09.06 | muddd | heh yeah ubuntu... |
| 04:09.29 | pipeline | Wikipedia is edited by morons |
| 04:09.42 | pipeline | "Virus" and "viruses" are the only accepted pluralizations of "virus" |
| 04:09.52 | pipeline | Discussing Ubuntu is fine. In #ubuntu. It's not our problem, here. |
| 04:10.29 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:10.44 | muddd | i only mentioned it because if he did download the ubuntu live-cd and ran into the same boot problem then its his machine and not the debian cds he downloaded |
| 04:11.03 | scatterp | no i want a full install not a virtual one... |
| 04:11.34 | pipeline | scatterp: Uh |
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| 04:11.41 | pipeline | scatterp: What brand is your computer |
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| 04:12.47 | pipeline | scatterp: debian ia64 is for ia64 systems. The only vendors of ia64 nowadays are HP and Hitachi, and it's about $10k for a lowend system |
| 04:13.02 | muddd | hes running some sort of laptop |
| 04:13.09 | pipeline | then it is definitely 100% not ia64 |
| 04:13.18 | pipeline | scatterp: I think you need the i386 or amd64 versions |
| 04:14.28 | muddd | brb |
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| 04:15.02 | n-iCe | I can't uninstall google earth |
| 04:16.04 | scatterp | what do i need for a dell intel core duo 2 ? |
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| 04:16.23 | scatterp | what do i need for a dell intel core duo 2 ? |
| 04:16.31 | n-iCe | im using x368 |
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| 04:16.43 | click170 | Scatterp: debian? |
| 04:16.48 | scatterp | yes |
| 04:16.49 | n-iCe | [i386] * |
| 04:16.52 | muddd | heh |
| 04:17.18 | lymeca | I run an Etch server inside a Xen domU guest and I would like to upgrade it to Lenny. Now I need to keep the kernel I have, as it is compiled with Xen domU support (2.6.18-sex stock x86_64 kernel |
| 04:17.28 | scatterp | downloading the i386 version... |
| 04:17.36 | lontra | my laptop thinks UTC is 21:14 and subsequently it thinks that the local time (CDT) is 16:14. How can I set the hardware clock to the correct UTC time? |
| 04:17.36 | lymeca | What's the best way to dist-upgrade but keep the old kernel? |
| 04:17.38 | scatterp | i understood my coreduo 2 cpu allowed for 64 bit |
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| 04:23.14 | erpo | I need either a PCMCIA card or Expresscard to add eSATA ports to my laptop, and I need them to be bootable. Suggestions? |
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| 04:23.51 | nvz | erpo: prayer might help.. :-P |
| 04:23.54 | simonrvn | try in #hardware |
| 04:24.23 | erpo | simonrvn: Will do. |
| 04:24.23 | nvz | sounds like a rube goldberg thing to me. |
| 04:25.11 | erpo | nvz: What's so Rube Goldberg about it? I want to boot from an external drive, and I don't want to mess around with USB. |
| 04:26.21 | erpo | nvz: I'm open to other suggestions for external bootable storage. |
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| 04:27.30 | nvz | erpo: idk I'm at a loss for why people do this stuff to begin with so I am not currently willing to waste thought cycles on it |
| 04:28.13 | muddd | bogomips of the brain? |
| 04:28.35 | nvz | my brain is stressed out right now |
| 04:28.44 | erpo | nvz: Currently my laptop is Linux-only, but I want to add Windows XP for games that don't work with wine. I don't want to sacrifice space on the internal drive. Is that so unreasonable? |
| 04:29.01 | muddd | how big is the internal drive? |
| 04:29.12 | erpo | muddd: 250GB. |
| 04:29.25 | muddd | how much do you already have used up? |
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| 04:29.50 | erpo | muddd: Right now it's only half used, but I get it pretty nearly full on a regular basis. |
| 04:30.07 | nvz | erpo: hah. and you not only want to do this but you want windows to be the OS that does it? good luck my friend.. I was just kidding about the prayer thing.. but now I'm thinking thats as likely to work as anything else |
| 04:30.44 | erpo | nvz: Windows has no problem booting from an external USB drive. |
| 04:31.16 | erpo | nvz: Is it too much to ask for an add-in storage card that works as well as one that's soldered to the motherboard? |
| 04:31.19 | nvz | erpo: yeah well I was just making a joke you can seriously stop addressing me about it and try find some help with it somewhere |
| 04:31.36 | nvz | I don't care one bit about windows or booting from some external bus's external drive |
| 04:31.54 | nvz | usb works cause your BIOS supports it |
| 04:32.12 | nvz | anything else would need its own BIOS like old SCSI controllers or PXE booting..etc |
| 04:32.40 | nvz | or your system bios to support it or to be chainloaded from something the BIOS does support that is able to load drivers for this external crap |
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| 04:33.18 | erpo | nvz: You seem to think this is not a worthwhile pursuit. If you have other ideas, I'm open to hearing them. |
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| 04:34.18 | nvz | its so not worthwhile. windows is garbage |
| 04:34.28 | micols | anyone got a blank screen with fglrx driver? |
| 04:34.31 | nvz | I just gave you a run down on the concept of booting and how it works |
| 04:34.37 | nvz | you take it and run |
| 04:35.21 | lymeca | I run an Etch server inside a Xen domU guest and I would like to upgrade it to Lenny. Now I need to keep the kernel I have, as it is compiled with Xen domU support (2.6.18-xen stock x86_64 kernel) What's the best way to dist-upgrade but keep the old kernel? |
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| 04:38.57 | erpo | lymeca: Sorry, I don't know much about xen. However, you can use pinning to make sure packages stay at a particular version. |
| 04:39.27 | erpo | lymeca: That might cause problems with your upgrade, though. Lenny may have legitimate reasons for coming with a new kernel. |
| 04:44.05 | lymeca | erpo: Well I see a Xen kernel in Lenny that is 2.6.24, which is great, but it seems to only be i386: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
| 04:45.05 | lymeca | I have an amd64 box. |
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| 04:45.48 | Sebboh | lymeca, FYI check the buglist on that kernel before using it. Erm, well, if you had an i386 box. :) There's a bug against it; I don't know if it's closed yet. (It actually got reassigned to grub I guess...) |
| 04:46.07 | lymeca | Hmm, well, regardless I need an amd64 kernel. |
| 04:47.00 | Sebboh | lymeca, Good luck. It's hard to do things the Xen way and the Debian way at the same time. :( I'm using Debian stable and an old Xen for that reason.. Of course all the domUs are lenny. |
| 04:47.20 | erpo | I find it hard to believe that lenny does not have an amd64 kernel. |
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| 04:47.56 | Sebboh | Ahem, the i386 one doesn't even work. erpo, we're talking xen kernels here, right? |
| 04:48.28 | erpo | Sebboh: yes. |
| 04:48.38 | erpo | Sebboh: Well, lymeca is. I know very little about xen. |
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| 04:49.41 | Sebboh | I think that the people that package up Xen for debian just don't have the resources/manpower. Deb rocks, Xen rocks, but Xen on Deb sucks. Just take a look at the package deps for the whole family.. :/ </opinion> If it bothered me really, maybe I'd commit. ;) |
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| 04:50.13 | |Ryan52 | How do I get a diff that can be applied with patch? |
| 04:51.25 | micols | pq:/bigdaddy on /nfs/bigdaddy type nfs (rw,noexec, <- how do i get 'exec' on my nfs shares when using /etc/fstab? |
| 04:51.34 | micols | 'exec' as options does not get recognized |
| 04:51.57 | lymeca | Sebboh: Right, I think things will be better once Xen PVOps get merged into upstream Linux for dom0s as well as domUs |
| 04:52.13 | lymeca | I haven't checked in a while, but I'm hopeful that 2.6.26 might have this. |
| 04:52.33 | erpo | |Ryan52: By get, do you mean make? |
| 04:52.40 | |Ryan52 | erpo: yes |
| 04:52.49 | |Ryan52 | erpo: like 'svn diff' or 'git diff' would do |
| 04:52.54 | erpo | |Ryan52: You use the diff command. |
| 04:53.00 | lymeca | It should be easy to create stock kernel packages for host OS and/or guest domains once support is upstream in Linux. |
| 04:53.13 | |Ryan52 | erpo: ya, I know, but how do I make it so that patch can use it as a patch? |
| 04:53.20 | Sebboh | lymeca, yeah, I'm thinking maybe. The grub issue I mentioned before with .24 on deb is caused by changes that are no doubt a halfway step to that goal. |
| 04:53.22 | erpo | |Ryan52: patch uses the output of diff. |
| 04:53.48 | erpo | |Ryan52: diff -u file1 file2 > differences.patch |
| 04:53.55 | Sebboh | |Ryan52, mv my.diff my.patch ? :) |
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| 04:55.25 | |Ryan52 | what I meant was, how do I make a diff like 'svn diff' would make? |
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| 04:56.07 | josh__ | i'm trying to get a video background on my debianbox i've researched quite a bit and i found this site: |
| 04:56.18 | josh__ | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/599d2428ac669edb |
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| 04:57.56 | |Ryan52 | decides not to make patches for projects don't use revision control |
| 04:58.09 | Bateau | got a problem with lenny beta 2 and gnome power management, seems it can only calibrate itself running as a privileged account |
| 04:58.24 | Bateau | any ideas? or should I just go ahead and post a bug? |
| 04:58.32 | |Ryan52 | Bateau: beta 2 is the version of the installer, not the distro |
| 04:58.34 | erpo | |Ryan52: Some revision control systems can output patch-compatible changesets. |
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| 04:58.45 | Bateau | (sorry, my noob-ness is showing) |
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| 05:00.10 | |Ryan52 | erpo: yes. I know. I want to get a diff like that. |
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| 05:01.16 | erpo | |Ryan52: If the project you're working with doesn't use revision control, slap them around with a large trout and then make your own repo. Commit the code you've downloaded, change it, make another commit, and then output the changeset as a patch. |
| 05:01.54 | |Ryan52 | erpo: oh...that makes sense! thanks. |
| 05:02.00 | erpo | |Ryan52: np |
| 05:02.04 | |Ryan52 | wonders why he couldn't figure that out himself... |
| 05:03.41 | lymeca | Sebboh: You mentioned your dom0 was Etch but domUs were Lenny, right? What do you use for the Lenny domU's kernel? |
| 05:04.25 | Sebboh | one sec |
| 05:05.00 | Sebboh | Linux services 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:06.46 | Sebboh | standard.. and I don't have any xen libc or anything. Oh, of course, this is HVM. =P So.. It's just the latest stock lenny. |
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| 05:10.46 | lymeca | Sebboh: Interesting, you are using HVM! I could do that, my machine has dual Opteron 2218 HEs. |
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| 05:11.20 | lymeca | I this specified in the xen config file? To use HVM? |
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| 05:13.53 | Sebboh | eh. deb includes an example hvm in /usr/doc/*xen*/examples, but, it took me like three weeks to get it working. :) (My first xen, so maybe you'd have better luck.) |
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| 05:15.42 | Bateau | wonders if anyone has any idea why gnome-power-manager will only work correctly as root and how to fix that! |
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| 05:23.00 | p0rt | can anyone recommend another "light-weight" browser besides firefox, that's still compatible with most sites? |
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| 05:23.40 | PhrkOnLsh | when I try to hibernate from the CLI it complains that it couldn't unload my nvidia modules and thus won't hibernate. is it ok to --force it, or any way to unload it? |
| 05:23.58 | josh__ | can i use an animated .gif as a background |
| 05:24.11 | Guerin_ | p0rt: there isn't one |
| 05:24.43 | kingsley | p0rt: dillo |
| 05:24.56 | Guerin_ | doesn't support anywhere near close to most sites |
| 05:25.18 | dondelelcaro | p0rt: most of the webkit browsers are fairly good |
| 05:26.18 | erpo | dondelelcaro: I thought KHTML -> Webkit (Safari) was basically a one-way code donation. |
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| 05:26.43 | p0rt | kingsley: dillo looks perfect (but development is frozen). There's no giant security flaws with is are there? |
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| 05:27.29 | Sebboh | webkit is still open source and available as a sep package from safari, hmm, I think there's even another semi-popular browser that uses it but I can't recall. |
| 05:27.41 | Guerin | konqueror? |
| 05:27.42 | kingsley | p0rt: I'm glad you like dillo, and I'll be happy to answer your question as best I can, but I'm afraid that I don't understand it. |
| 05:28.27 | erpo | Sebboh: I read an article by one of the KHTML developers that said Apple is doing all it can to make porting from Webkit back to KHTML difficult. |
| 05:28.41 | Guerin | erpo: i'm shocked. Shocked! |
| 05:28.47 | p0rt | kingsley: i'm worried that since it's not being developed, there might be websites that would exploit it. that it may have huge security vulnerabilities. any that you know of? |
| 05:29.00 | Guerin | p0rt: ask bugs.debian.org |
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| 05:29.26 | erpo | p0rt: It's also unpopular, and there aren't a lot of widely spread exploits for unpopular software. |
| 05:29.29 | p0rt | Guerin: cool, thanks |
| 05:31.44 | kingsley | p0rt: Versions of Dillo older than 0.8.4 contain a known security vulnerability. http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/ |
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| 05:32.06 | Sebboh | An exploit for dillo? :) What, like <a href="/bin/sh -s rm -f /"> :) |
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| 05:32.36 | DogBoy | careful you'll have people trying that out |
| 05:32.49 | Sebboh | it's not a valid link, for one. =P |
| 05:32.59 | scatterp | hi i am trying to do this "Install your kernel headers and sources, as well as all packages required for building kernel modules" |
| 05:33.00 | DogBoy | they'll get it to work |
| 05:33.12 | Bateau | heh, thanks, I could use that in class, though I must say, my perl script I demonstrated that nuked my own student directory as my final project in class was priceless |
| 05:33.16 | scatterp | how would i get the kernel sources ? |
| 05:33.33 | PhrkOnLsh | scatterp: apt-get isntall linux-headers-(kernel version) kbuild |
| 05:33.40 | Guerin | scatterp: aptitude install linux-source-version |
| 05:33.53 | Guerin | headers != source |
| 05:33.58 | dondelelcaro | erpo: it's the name of the library that midori and a few others are using, so... |
| 05:34.09 | PhrkOnLsh | Guerin: ok, but he still needs the headers |
| 05:34.13 | PhrkOnLsh | so |
| 05:34.17 | Guerin | not if he has the full source |
| 05:34.23 | PhrkOnLsh | scatterp: apt-get isntall linux-headers-(kernel version) kbuild linux-source-(kernel version) |
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| 05:34.30 | rose21 | how can I recreate a socket file? (I tought that I can do it with mknod...) |
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| 05:35.44 | scatterp | hmm |
| 05:35.50 | scatterp | that worked for the headers |
| 05:35.58 | scatterp | but not for linux-source- |
| 05:35.59 | PhrkOnLsh | when I try to hibernate from the CLI it complains that it couldn't unload my nvidia modules and thus won't hibernate. is it ok to --force it, or any way to unload it? |
| 05:36.03 | erpo | rose21: mkfifo |
| 05:36.22 | scatterp | kbuild unrecognised command.. |
| 05:36.53 | PhrkOnLsh | !dpkg search linux-source-2.6.24 |
| 05:36.55 | rose21 | erpo: mmm mkfifo creates a pipe, not a socket? |
| 05:37.05 | PhrkOnLsh | shrugs |
| 05:37.17 | scatterp | !dpkg search linux-source-2.6.24 |
| 05:37.24 | streuner | use pdo :-) |
| 05:37.28 | streuner | !pdo |
| 05:37.28 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:38.06 | kingsley | scatterp: Perhaps what you want is "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.25". |
| 05:38.09 | streuner | (if its not in debian anymore, just use sdn) |
| 05:38.29 | streuner | !sdn |
| 05:38.29 | dpkg | snapshots is probably an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 05:38.35 | PhrkOnLsh | streuner: when did .25 go into apt? |
| 05:38.59 | streuner | phrozen77_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:39.11 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:39.16 | scatterp | got it |
| 05:39.30 | PhrkOnLsh | 2.7-10 |
| 05:39.50 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: show us the whole output please |
| 05:40.02 | PhrkOnLsh | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:40.21 | kingsley | PhrkOnLsh: I'd like to find out how to tell when any package was introduced. |
| 05:40.45 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: seems to be lenny/testing, i have no idea, its in lenny/testing or not (2.6.25) |
| 05:40.45 | stiv2k | Hey how do I remotely log into another machine's gdm ? |
| 05:41.13 | PhrkOnLsh | Yeah, I'm running lenny (you could've just asked that :B) |
| 05:41.57 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6.25 |
| 05:42.15 | rose21 | erpo: any idea? |
| 05:42.20 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: according to pdo 2.6.25 isn't in lenny/testing, but its in unstable/sid |
| 05:42.38 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah |
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| 05:42.56 | PhrkOnLsh | anyone with a clue as to my nvidia/hibernate problem? |
| 05:43.15 | PhrkOnLsh | I run on a laptop so it's kind of inconvenient to have to shut down fully everytime |
| 05:43.34 | scatterp | how can i update my kernel to >=2.6.21 ? |
| 05:43.43 | streuner | you can't |
| 05:43.51 | streuner | scatterp: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:43.58 | kingsley | stiv2k: "vnc" is a remote desktop application that may interest you. There are others. |
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| 05:44.04 | streuner | 2.6.21 isn't in Debian anymore |
| 05:44.19 | stiv2k | kingsley: No I am specifically referencing this 'remote login' thing in the GNOME login preferences |
| 05:44.28 | erpo | PhrkOnLsh: If it's complaining that it can't unload a module, maybe it doesn't have sufficient privilegs. Have you tried sudoing the command? |
| 05:44.30 | stiv2k | kingsley: maybe it has to do with remote X11 sessions? |
| 05:44.31 | scatterp | isnt lenny that version ? |
| 05:44.39 | PhrkOnLsh | su -c "hibernate", erpo |
| 05:44.48 | streuner | scatterp: 2.6.21 sounds like a linux kernel version |
| 05:44.52 | PhrkOnLsh | scatterp: lenny is 22 or 24 |
| 05:45.55 | erpo | PhrkOnLsh: Does it generate a log file you can read? |
| 05:46.07 | kingsley | stiv2k: Perhaps, like so many questions in 2008, answering this one is simply a matter of choosing the right keywords for Google. |
| 05:46.08 | scatterp | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 gnu c library |
| 05:46.19 | stiv2k | kingsley: I gues |
| 05:47.03 | erpo | stiv2k: You need to configure the remote machine's gdm to accep xdmcp connections, and then run an xdmcp chooser from a remote viewing computer. |
| 05:47.03 | streuner | scatterp: if you want newer kernel, just use backports.org then |
| 05:47.17 | scatterp | im trying to install compat-wireless |
| 05:47.25 | scatterp | let me put the output on pastebin one sec |
| 05:48.07 | streuner | is that the exact package name? |
| 05:48.23 | stiv2k | erpo: Ah, I was thinking using x11vnc |
| 05:48.24 | streuner | cannot find something with this term in apt-cache search |
| 05:49.10 | PhrkOnLsh | erpo: yeh, but the only thing of interest it outputs is mirrored on the cmdlien |
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| 05:49.17 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/d7e2e3097 |
| 05:49.19 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: buy a good laptop, my Toshiba L-40 makes that auto |
| 05:49.24 | scatterp | take a look here thats the error i get |
| 05:49.30 | scatterp | package name is |
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| 05:49.53 | streuner | PhrkOnLsh: or, did you look at "/msg dpkg laptops" yet? |
| 05:50.00 | scatterp | compat-wireless-2008-06-25.tar.bz2 |
| 05:50.15 | streuner | scatterp: hm, URL? |
| 05:50.24 | scatterp | http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6/2008/06/compat-wireless-2008-06-25.tar.bz2 |
| 05:50.47 | scatterp | this is the output i get http://pastebin.com/d7e2e3097 |
| 05:50.53 | PhrkOnLsh | streuner: As much as I'd love a new laptop the current setup disallows that |
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| 05:51.38 | streuner | scatterp: hm, check out the URLs of the factoid then |
| 05:53.38 | streuner | scatterp: hm, we told you HOW to install a newer kernel in etch/stable... |
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| 05:55.23 | rking | what does it mean if a device looks fine in /proc/bus/usb/devices but doesn't show up in a `lsusb`? |
| 05:55.36 | streuner | <streuner> scatterp: hm, check out the URLs of the factoid then <---PhrkOnLsh |
| 05:55.42 | valdyn | rking: means that you did not run lsusb as root |
| 05:55.58 | scatterp | what are the factoid |
| 05:56.11 | scatterp | i think im going to need a little more help :/ |
| 05:56.12 | rking | valdyn: i've seen that one before, but that's not the case here |
| 05:56.14 | scatterp | im kinda lost |
| 05:56.33 | streuner | scatterp: i ment <laptops>, but that was for somebody else, sorry |
| 05:56.51 | scatterp | im still lost :( |
| 05:57.04 | streuner | scatterp: for you the right laptop is "/msg dpkg backports" :-) |
| 05:57.12 | rking | valdyn: (because the output is the same for root and non-root) |
| 05:57.15 | streuner | s/laptop/factoid/ |
| 05:57.24 | valdyn | rking: umm |
| 05:57.41 | valdyn | rking: /proc/bus/usb is not readably by any other than root, and lsusb just reads /proc/bus/usb |
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| 05:58.33 | rking | valdyn: actually, it looks like strace lsusb => it traverses /dev/bus/usb |
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| 05:58.42 | valdyn | rking: oh, yea, you are right |
| 05:59.40 | scatterp | i dont get it im lost.. |
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| 05:59.50 | rking | i do see it show up on /var/log/messages ("usb 1-2.4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice") |
| 06:01.18 | valdyn | rking: debian kernel or custom kernel? can you paste outputs of lsub, ls -lR /dev/bus/usb and ls -lR /proc/bus/usb on a paste site? |
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| 06:02.00 | streuner | !+tel scatterp -about backports |
| 06:02.08 | streuner | !+tell scatterp -about backports |
| 06:02.09 | dpkg | told scatterp about backports. |
| 06:02.39 | scatterp | streuner i got the bit about msging dkpg |
| 06:02.48 | scatterp | i just didnt understand much of what it said |
| 06:02.49 | Bateau | valdyn, any idea why gnome-power-manager in lenny only updates it's charts/estimates/etc. when you are root? |
| 06:03.06 | streuner | scatterp: just read the instructions of backports.org then |
| 06:03.13 | valdyn | Bateau: you're not member of the right group, i guess |
| 06:03.17 | rking | valdyn: debian, and yep |
| 06:03.21 | valdyn | Bateau: that could be powerdev, i dont know |
| 06:04.18 | Bateau | hmm, any advice on how to modify that for testing and (hopefully) to resolve the issue? |
| 06:05.49 | valdyn | Bateau: run gnome-power-manager in an terminal, like 'gnome-power-manager 2>&1 | grep -i "Permission Denied" ' and see what you get as output |
| 06:05.51 | rking | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/8658/ # (i appreciate the help, btw) |
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| 06:06.55 | rking | valdyn: darnit, i screwed it up ... i plugged the wrong cord in... 1 min |
| 06:07.24 | valdyn | rking: weird, you device has only 1 usb bus? |
| 06:07.43 | rking | valdyn: everything goes under there, yep. |
| 06:08.31 | valdyn | rking: and you headset is showing everywhere, just not in lsusb |
| 06:08.56 | rking | valdyn: maybe that does represent the same problem -- that's what the camera is doing (which is the one i meant to plug in) |
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| 06:10.12 | Bateau | no output from that command |
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| 06:10.48 | rking | valdyn: ok, i redid it with the right device, but it does look similar: http://paste.debian.net/8659/ |
| 06:11.14 | valdyn | rking: its getting a number that skips lower numbers |
| 06:11.25 | valdyn | rking: i.e. once 16 after 4 and once 17 after 4 |
| 06:11.31 | valdyn | rking: kernel or lsusb bug or both |
| 06:11.46 | rking | valdyn: well, that might be because these are the ports on the front of the tower |
| 06:11.52 | valdyn | rking: no |
| 06:12.25 | valdyn | rking: i dont know how numbering is legal in usb devices so i cant tell if lsusb or the kernel is wrong |
| 06:12.28 | Bateau | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/d3457ca68 no output, with or without the grep-ing |
| 06:12.38 | valdyn | rking: does the device work though? |
| 06:13.12 | rking | valdyn: in the past, yes - and the headset, yes... but gphoto2 is yelping about the camera |
| 06:13.55 | valdyn | rking: my devices are numbered straight 1-8 |
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| 06:14.20 | valdyn | rking: check bts, update usb tools and/or kernel |
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| 06:15.33 | valdyn | Bateau: sorr, i forgot the "strace -eopen" in that line, right before gnome-power... |
| 06:15.41 | rking | valdyn: i'm up-to-date (lenny/sid, just did update + dist-upgrade a few minutes ago) |
| 06:16.22 | valdyn | rking: so it could be a new issue |
| 06:16.45 | scatterp | thanks guys im gonna sleep on it |
| 06:16.45 | Bateau | valdyn, still no output |
| 06:17.03 | Bateau | but |
| 06:17.15 | Bateau | without grepping there are a LOT of no such file or directory errors |
| 06:17.17 | rking | valdyn: yeah... i mean, i did a dist-upgrade about a week ago, and it wasn't working today when i first tried it, so i did the upgrade. (i mean, my most recent dist-up didn't break it) |
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| 06:17.50 | Bateau | will pastebin, one minute |
| 06:18.57 | Bateau | valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m6bc72eef |
| 06:20.06 | rking | valdyn: what kernel are you on? |
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| 06:21.35 | lymeca | My GRUB menu.lst has this in my Xen dom0's section: |
| 06:21.38 | lymeca | module/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 root=/dev/sdg1 ro console=tty0 |
| 06:21.55 | lymeca | But when I boot up it says that root is mounted on /dev/sda1, not /dev/sdg1 |
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| 06:22.24 | lymeca | Also, I have a logical volume elsewhere on the same HDD and pvdisplay reports it as /dev/sdg |
| 06:22.38 | rking | lymeca: that root isn't the same thing, i don't think... look at /etc/fstab |
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| 06:22.54 | lymeca | fstab says /dev/sda1 |
| 06:23.10 | lymeca | How is it not the same thing? |
| 06:23.26 | lymeca | Which component is detecing this HDD as sdg and which is detecting it as sda? |
| 06:24.10 | rking | lymeca: hey -- i hate to do this... but i have a huge headache, i'm going to have to retire for the night |
| 06:24.18 | rking | lymeca: someone else will be able to help you here |
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| 06:51.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:51.20 | dpkg | well, qotd196 is * Guerin was enough drunks last night |
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| 07:02.17 | streuner | Where does hibernate save its logs? |
| 07:02.54 | cahoot | in /var/log as the others? |
| 07:03.07 | streuner | sure, but in which |
| 07:03.24 | streuner | nm, i just grep /var/log about... |
| 07:03.35 | cahoot | there are a few /var/log/hibernate here |
| 07:03.42 | streuner | oh |
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| 07:05.28 | streuner | cahoot: what shows you "ps aux | grep hibernate"? only hibernate.conf ? |
| 07:06.31 | cahoot | I don't use hibernate - only the grep shows up |
| 07:06.45 | streuner | what do you use then? |
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| 07:12.25 | lymeca | My GRUB menu.lst has this in my Xen dom0's section: module/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-xen-amd64 root=/dev/sdg1 ro console=tty0 |
| 07:12.29 | lymeca | But when I boot up it says that root is mounted on /dev/sda1, not /dev/sdg1 |
| 07:12.38 | lymeca | fstab says /dev/sda1 as well |
| 07:12.45 | lymeca | Also, I have a logical volume elsewhere on the same HDD and pvdisplay reports it as /dev/sdg |
| 07:13.03 | lymeca | Which component is detecting this primary HDD as sda and which sees it as sdg? |
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| 07:13.10 | khaleel5000 | hello, i had an Nvidia 6800 gt agp card which I have swapped for ATI X1650 PRO. the only nvidia-relevant driver that I had was xserver-xorg-video-nv ...should I rembve it before Installing ati drivers or their presence whot be a problem (i wont use nvidia card in near future) also any how-to for ati drivers which enable 3d support (i am on ETCH rc3) |
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| 07:13.53 | cahoot | no need removing anything, just don't load nv |
| 07:14.13 | cahoot | (in xorg.conf) |
| 07:14.54 | lymeca | khaleel5000: For X1650 which is an R500-based card, there is Free Software 3D support available in the 'radeon' driver. It will not be as advanced and stable as 3D support in fglrx (proprietary) but it works well enough to use Compiz Fusion and run Quake3 with texture errors. |
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| 07:15.33 | erpo | khaleel5000: I've always heard ATI+Linux is harder, slower, and less rewarding than nVidia+Linux. However, nv is the FOSS driver for nVidia cards and comes preinstalled on a number of systems. It shouldn't cause any problems with your new hardware. |
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| 07:15.51 | lymeca | erpo: Do not, in this day and age, recommend Nvidia over ATI! |
| 07:16.00 | Bateau | indeed! |
| 07:16.06 | lymeca | AMD has released full programming graphics documentation for HIS CARD |
| 07:16.13 | khaleel5000 | the free driver would be xserver-xorg-video-ati ? |
| 07:16.20 | lymeca | Yes that's the one. |
| 07:16.39 | erpo | lymeca: I was under the impression that the FOSS drivers for ati were incomplete and didn't support older ATI hardware. |
| 07:16.59 | lymeca | erpo: Nvidia continues to essentially be the last GPU manufacturer who is NOT cooperating with the Free SOftware ecosystem |
| 07:17.22 | lymeca | They are harmful, should be avoided until they help out, and vote with your dollar by not buying into them. |
| 07:17.42 | erpo | lymeca: Yeah, but their drivers work and ATI's, unless my knowledge is out of date, are not as good. I have high hopes that the ATI driver quality will improve, but until then Green > Red. |
| 07:17.43 | khaleel5000 | lymeca: atimisc', 'r128' and 'radeon' sub-drivers. which driver may I use any idea ( i prefer googling, but I have my accounting exams on head so ask-do ) |
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| 07:19.24 | erpo | lymeca: If you have updated information on the status of the new FOSS drivers based on open hardware specs, please let me know. I really want them to be better than nVidia's. |
| 07:19.32 | OpenTokix | lymeca: but its a suck much better card =) |
| 07:20.04 | lymeca | erpo: There is full 3D support for the earliest ATI cards in the R100 and R200 range and there has been in X11 for a while now. R300-R500 support in the radeon driver is quite advanced, and sufficient for most users except those who require recent 3D games. R600 documentation for latest ATI cards have yet to be released, they are working on it and probably will within the month. |
| 07:20.39 | lymeca | OpenTokix: That's an unjust and vast oversimplification of the GPU landscape. |
| 07:20.43 | erpo | lymeca: Source for this information? |
| 07:21.21 | erpo | lymeca: Aside from an article every few months on Phoronix, information seems to be scarce. |
| 07:21.46 | OpenTokix | lymeca: I have 20 gfx workstations, a 120 core renderfarm - and test alot of stuff. |
| 07:22.02 | OpenTokix | lymeca: And nvidia kicks the crap out of ati all the time |
| 07:22.32 | lymeca | OpenTokix: Nowadays top-of-the-line ATI cards are $100-200 cheaper than highest end Nvidia cards and there's not an appreciable performance difference. At least I hope you aren't one of the few fools who buy into the $200 penalty for having the latest and greatest which isn't much better than the previous batch. Cards are not worse at ATI, drivers are, and that's rapidly changing. |
| 07:22.56 | lymeca | Even the proprietary fglrx isn't that bad anymore, and it's shipped in the box on the newest ATI card to boot! |
| 07:23.20 | Bushmills | Lyma, r600 register specs have been relased |
| 07:23.36 | lymeca | OpenTokix: That depends on the GPU generation and which cards. YOu can't just say "Nvidia beats ATI in performance", that's an oversimplification. |
| 07:23.40 | Bushmills | made available to X team about 2 weeks ago |
| 07:23.50 | lymeca | Bushmills: What was? |
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| 07:25.02 | Bushmills | lymeca, r600 register specs have been relased |
| 07:25.06 | lymeca | erpo: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ati_r500_gaming&num=1 |
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| 07:25.17 | lymeca | Bushmills: But not 3-D register info |
| 07:25.23 | Bushmills | yes, full info |
| 07:25.26 | unop | does anyone know why 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' no longer prompts you on configuring your display adapter, monitor, resolution, etc? and whether there is an alternative way to automagically configure xorg? |
| 07:25.28 | khaleel5000 | hello, i just tried free ati drivers, used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, selected ati driver, when I did startx it shows error no devices found ! |
| 07:25.57 | lymeca | Bushmills: Oh my! Link? |
| 07:26.06 | Bushmills | looking... |
| 07:26.19 | Guerin | !test |
| 07:26.20 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:26.30 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:26.30 | dpkg | [qotd89] <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
| 07:26.33 | khaleel5000 | no devices detectted,fatal server error no screens found ,XIO Fatal IO connection error |
| 07:27.03 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 07:27.04 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 07:27.17 | liable | !annoy bob2 |
| 07:27.18 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:27.27 | Guerin | ah, so true |
| 07:28.01 | aNOOBisa | Hi can anybody tell me what the ./chk command does and what program I have to install |
| 07:28.12 | lymeca | Bushmills: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ I don't see R600 3D info |
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| 07:28.20 | unop | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg problem anyone? help me fuxors!!! :) |
| 07:28.21 | Guerin | aNOOBisa: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:28.35 | Bushmills | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjUyMA |
| 07:28.48 | Guerin | unop: did you try -plow? |
| 07:28.57 | Bushmills | "This PDF document is 342 pages long and does go into detail surrounding R600 vertex and geometry shaders. " |
| 07:29.36 | Bushmills | though that's not the link i had originally |
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| 07:29.51 | erpo | lymeca: So it looks like the R500 driver is still not ready for prime time, and you mentioned another generation of cards that doesn't have support (R600?). There's no way I'm buying a card I can't use on the promise of drivers to come. |
| 07:30.00 | aNOOBisa | Guerin that does not really help |
| 07:30.13 | unop | Guerin, aye, indeed -- it just seems that with the newer version of xorg a whole part of the questionaire has disappeared -- and it's the same on recent versions of ubuntu too, so it doesn't seem like a debian-specific thing |
| 07:30.46 | aNOOBisa | Guerin: "aptitude search chk" gives me about 10 options |
| 07:30.48 | unop | Guerin, I was wondering if there is some new way of configuring xorg perhaps ? |
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| 07:31.29 | liable | erpo: r500 just got 3d support last week.. |
| 07:31.32 | Guerin | aNOOBisa: I'd say narrowing down your scope from infinity to 10 is pretty helpful. |
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| 07:32.35 | Bushmills | lymeca, http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/r600isa.pdf |
| 07:32.38 | khaleel5100 | the log in /var/log says this http://rafb.net/p/IfsoRS27.html |
| 07:32.49 | lymeca | Bushmills: I don't think that counts as the 3-D programming guide. I think they are still working on releasing it. The ISA docs are just for other things. |
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| 07:33.53 | khaleel5000 | i did say no to frame buffer device |
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| 07:37.36 | lymeca | erpo: These are just Free Software drivers. The Free Software landscape for modern 3D drivers has always been grim. If you are using these drivers to compare ATI cards to Nvidia ones, then you must compare them to the Free Software driver offering for Nvidia cards. |
| 07:38.25 | Genie | urg..ok it's going to sound stupid. but what's the correct syntax to put in /etc/apt/sources.list if i want to allow my system to grab some specific packages from http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 07:38.26 | lymeca | Comparing the radeon and radeonhd drivers to nv and noveau, it's a joke, and ATI creams Nvidia hands down, no questions asked. This is because AMD is releasing the GPU programming docs for all to see. |
| 07:38.42 | Bushmills | lymeca, http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/109615 |
| 07:38.56 | lymeca | erpo: If you want to compare ATI cards to Nvidia's cards with Nvidia's proprietary X driver, then you must examine fglrx, AMD's proprietary driver. |
| 07:39.13 | khaleel5100 | lymeca: the xorg log that i pasted up there, please take a look there, i dont see my card being mentioned there (in the list of devices for thich radeon dirver is, i cant seem to find any other issue) |
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| 07:40.07 | lymeca | Bushmills: "In addition, the vendor shortly plans to release its "3D Programmers Guide" dealing specifically with graphics programming." in other words, not released yet, still working on it, expect it soon. |
| 07:40.49 | lymeca | R600 3D docs are not here yet. I am trust AMD fully and am confident they are making them complete and accurate before they are released, and I expect them out within the next month. |
| 07:40.57 | Shadur | I'm getting errors from apt-listbugs; apparently it can't retrieve the open bugs list during an upgrade. Is this a known issue? |
| 07:41.25 | lymeca | I say this based on the words of user 'bridgeman' in Phoronix forums, who is an AMD employee paid to do just that. |
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| 07:41.48 | lymeca | khaleel5000: one moment while I examine them. I hope I can help you, but I'm not sure, let me check. |
| 07:42.09 | ameyer | basically, nvidia vs ati comes down to "ati cares, nvidia doesn't" |
| 07:42.11 | Bushmills | lymeca, the programming guide. after register specs have been published already. i expect the programming guide to not add further register specs, but give examples and cases how to actually use them |
| 07:43.40 | ameyer | with proprietary graphics drivers, the manufacturer has every incentive to "break" your card to make you buy a new one |
| 07:43.58 | ameyer | where break is used somewhat loosely |
| 07:44.25 | PythonNinja | i need to reinstall my system from scratch.. but due to a wierd bios issue, i can no longer boot from an install CD. can i just debootstrap? |
| 07:44.50 | ameyer | boot from USB? |
| 07:44.53 | Bateau | what about network? or USB? |
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| 07:45.02 | PythonNinja | usb.. that's a good point |
| 07:45.11 | PythonNinja | although, i don't have any usb media handy, and i'm keen to do this nowish |
| 07:45.51 | Bushmills | PythonNinja, yes, you can debootstrap. but still need to add kernel |
| 07:45.56 | Shadur | ameyer: Given the state of nvidia's linux drivers compared to ATI's, both in terms of stability and ease of installation, I'd say that nVidia does in fact care. |
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| 07:46.08 | maligor | lymeca, and probably removing some bits |
| 07:46.17 | PythonNinja | Bushmills: well.. the current kernel is actually one that i'll continue to use anyway |
| 07:46.37 | maligor | they've said they won't release specs on some parts of it like the workstation capabilities and uvd I think |
| 07:46.48 | Bushmills | PythonNinja, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 07:46.56 | lymeca | khaleel5000: Are you running Etch? |
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| 07:47.24 | ameyer | Shadur: if they cared, they'd either release specs or release their driver's source code |
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| 07:48.04 | Bushmills | Shadur, well, nvidia doesn't seem to care about my "legacy" graphics controller. |
| 07:48.09 | ameyer | can't really argue about it, since it's about 3 AM here |
| 07:48.28 | khaleel5100 | lymeca: yes |
| 07:48.29 | Shadur | ameyer: Except that they /can't/ because part of the IP they licensed isn't theirs to release freely. |
| 07:48.29 | ameyer | and I'm somewhat tired |
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| 07:49.18 | PythonNinja | ok.. this might be a better question.. can i force dpkg to basically hose my whole system and replace it with a clean install? |
| 07:49.30 | aNOOBisa | I need an openssl-dev package what can I use - there seems to be none except libcurl3 |
| 07:50.25 | Bushmills | PythonNinja, first part of your question: you positively can (hose system) |
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| 07:50.40 | ameyer | Shadur: strangely, Intel and ATI found a way around those issues |
| 07:50.50 | ameyer | and, apparently Via did as well |
| 07:52.07 | lymeca | khaleel5000: I see your problem then. The version of the driver in Etch is far too old. |
| 07:52.21 | lymeca | khaleel5000: It's as simple as getting the same package from sid. |
| 07:52.53 | lymeca | khaleel5000: Also, if you wish to have help for this driver in particular, check out #radeon |
| 07:53.32 | lymeca | If you choose to switch to AMD's proprietary fglrx, you can get support for that in #ati |
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| 07:53.48 | khaleel5100 | i will try getting sid's driver first |
| 07:53.50 | lymeca | Neither solution is perfect, and your choice between these two depends on your needs (ie what 3D support you need) |
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| 07:57.26 | aNOOBisa | Can anyone help me? I need an openssl-dev package what can I use - there seems to be none except libcurl3 |
| 07:58.29 | ameyer | aNOOBisa: libssl-dev? |
| 07:58.43 | Crypticfortune | my house's router died, so I'm going to set up another one. would "debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso" have everything I need to get a pppoe session up? |
| 07:58.55 | aNOOBisa | ameyer: I have that package installed |
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| 07:59.10 | biatche | Hey, got a multi-core question. Say I have a quadcore processor, and I wanna use 1 core for samba, another core for apache, and 1 core for defaults.. is such a setup possible? what should i be googling for |
| 07:59.32 | Bateau | biatche, yes, but generally the auto-allocation is better |
| 07:59.33 | Crypticfortune | biatche: assigning processor affinity to specific cpus |
| 07:59.40 | cherwin | biatcha: Let the kernel handle it. |
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| 07:59.45 | Bateau | as it will use idle time on one core to share heavy loads from other processes |
| 07:59.48 | biatche | ok |
| 07:59.52 | Crypticfortune | biatche: err sorry, to spcific processes |
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| 08:00.14 | nevyn | biatche: if you REALLY Want to do it you can. but. in general this is one of those the computer is smarter than you type thigns |
| 08:00.29 | aNOOBisa | amayer: I am trying to compile xen but it still tells me that I am missing openssl-devel |
| 08:00.31 | biatche | basically i wanna have a server do multiple things.. samba, squid, some other stuff.. but, i don't want 1 process to eat up the whole cpu usage |
| 08:00.50 | nevyn | hrm |
| 08:01.02 | nevyn | biatche: a single process can't be split across cores |
| 08:01.05 | nevyn | biatche: that said. |
| 08:01.06 | Bateau | yep, the only cases I avoid that are extreme unusual hardware, such as quad cpu quad core systems with cooling imbalance, make the one with the best cooling work the hardest |
| 08:01.12 | biatche | ah. |
| 08:01.15 | cherwin | biatche: Linux shines in process management, just let it handle it. |
| 08:01.17 | Bushmills | biatche, many services aren't very CPU intense. |
| 08:01.34 | nevyn | if you have 3 incomming tcp connections you want to use a core for each one and get them handled faster. |
| 08:01.37 | nevyn | honestly |
| 08:01.45 | biatche | so what happens if say, one process is fairly idle on core0 and another process, say process2 is also on core0 |
| 08:01.47 | Bushmills | biatche, the ones you gave are more disk- and bandwidth needy |
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| 08:02.02 | biatche | Now, process1 suddenly requires a lot of power, and starts doing lotsa work. |
| 08:02.06 | Crypticfortune | biatche: because apache can (depending on the mpm selected, or what's running from it) spawn other processes, it might be kinda tricky to corral all of them to a single cpu... |
| 08:02.19 | biatche | wont process2 slow down since its on core0? |
| 08:02.27 | nevyn | biatche: nope. it'll stop |
| 08:02.32 | nevyn | a core does ONE thing at a time |
| 08:02.37 | Bateau | nope, only if you lock it to that core, it'll move to the other core normally |
| 08:02.38 | Bushmills | biatche, CPU intense servers are mostly those which require the server to to actual processing. |
| 08:02.59 | nevyn | sql, gis ripping and friends |
| 08:03.01 | biatche | ok, ill be clear, i wanna run a game server- counterstrike server, and i know at times, cpu usage can be fairly heavy |
| 08:03.19 | biatche | but, i dont want to have that cs server affect the other services |
| 08:03.31 | Bateau | it shouldn't be an issue |
| 08:03.31 | Crypticfortune | biatche: you might want to look into using xen or something to isolate those different processes from eachother, and limit the maximum time share each VM can take. |
| 08:03.37 | Bateau | CS is single threaded |
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| 08:03.52 | nevyn | Bateau: wow.. srsly? lame. |
| 08:03.54 | Bateau | with multiple cores, debian will allocate a core to the game on it's own effectively when it has a load spike |
| 08:04.01 | biatche | cs being single-threaded would mean itll only use core0 right? |
| 08:04.01 | Bateau | and move everything else on that core back to the others |
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| 08:04.15 | Bateau | or core 1, or whatever |
| 08:04.21 | Bateau | and it can move from core to core while running |
| 08:04.27 | Bateau | but will only be on one core at a time |
| 08:04.35 | biatche | would forcing cs on core3 be a good idea at all? |
| 08:04.39 | Bateau | nope |
| 08:04.39 | biatche | ah |
| 08:04.46 | biatche | so i should just let it be as it is? |
| 08:04.47 | nevyn | biatche: not really the kernel will do it better than you. |
| 08:04.51 | Bateau | it will be moved to whatever core has the most available resources |
| 08:04.52 | Bateau | yes |
| 08:04.59 | biatche | and if it does get intense, itll only eat up say core3? |
| 08:05.13 | Bateau | yes |
| 08:05.19 | nevyn | cs cannot take more than 25% of your cpu |
| 08:05.21 | Crypticfortune | biatche: no matter it'll only eat up coreX. it can't use more than 1 |
| 08:05.27 | Bateau | or core2, or 1, or 0, whichever has the least going on |
| 08:05.30 | biatche | say core3 gets used to 100% usage, the kernel knows not to put any new process on core3, is this right? |
| 08:05.36 | nevyn | possibly if you have multiple games.. it can use more. |
| 08:05.38 | Bateau | yes |
| 08:05.47 | biatche | ok |
| 08:05.56 | nevyn | least is the wrong word.. |
| 08:06.01 | Bateau | and if core3 is at 100% with several things on it, say CS *AND* apache |
| 08:06.05 | Bateau | it'll move apache to another core |
| 08:06.05 | biatche | what bout multi-threaded programs, how would they work? |
| 08:06.14 | nevyn | a process can execute for a jiffie on core0 then be scheduled on core1 |
| 08:06.20 | Bateau | multi-threaded will break up theprogram over however many cores they have threads |
| 08:06.28 | biatche | say one of those multithreaded programs need a lot of cpu, will it then eat all 4 cores? |
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| 08:06.32 | Bateau | CS:S is dual threaded iirc, one for netowkr, one for the rest |
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| 08:06.40 | Bateau | so it could use upto 2 cores |
| 08:06.45 | biatche | ok, good information... i learn |
| 08:06.47 | Bateau | but the network part doesn't work that hard |
| 08:06.59 | Bateau | so it might be able to stress one core at 100%< but the other only to 5% |
| 08:07.29 | Bateau | and even CS:S isn't that intensive, I have run a 62 player game with 2 specs on a dual AMD 2400+mp |
| 08:07.30 | biatche | so wait, if apache is on core0, and core0 gets used to 100% suddenly due to the cs server, the kernel is capable of immediately moving apache to another core? |
| 08:07.36 | Bateau | yes it is |
| 08:07.51 | Bateau | and it will move it as the load goes up to 100% |
| 08:08.05 | Bateau | (it's a LOT more complex, but that is the simplified view of it) |
| 08:08.14 | Bateau | the delay would probably be around 0.01 ms |
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| 08:08.42 | Crypticfortune | i once tried running the steam server on a single core box for tf2. took 100% almost constantly. with over 8 players terrible things happened. I wonder if that's fixed by now...? |
| 08:08.45 | Bateau | no one playing or hitting the webserver would ever know it happened |
| 08:08.52 | biatche | im a little more accustomed to windows for that's what i've been using... ive not yet try a multi-core linux setup, so im not so sure how scheduling works there.. but from what i see, sometimes in my windows, when core0 hits 100% usage, performance is somewhat sluggish |
| 08:08.59 | biatche | but perhaps linux kernel can handle it somewhat better |
| 08:09.15 | Bateau | it is MUCH better |
| 08:09.27 | Bateau | one flaw in windows is that the kernel cannot move cores |
| 08:09.32 | biatche | maybe windows is not capable of moving processes then |
| 08:09.38 | biatche | I thought so! |
| 08:09.43 | Bateau | almost all services can, but the kernel can't, and it can't be split between cores |
| 08:10.12 | biatche | huh, say that again, the linux kernel processes can't be split between cores? |
| 08:10.12 | Bateau | it can move almost all other processes, (a few rare exceptions), but the kernel gets trashed regularly |
| 08:10.31 | Bateau | effectively, or moved between them, depending on the specific thing it is doing |
| 08:10.43 | biatche | maybe then it would be good to assign 1 core for the kernel? |
| 08:10.49 | Bateau | no need |
| 08:10.56 | Bateau | it'll handle moving itself as needed :) |
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| 08:11.19 | biatche | but you just said it cannot move kernel processes did you not? |
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| 08:11.41 | Crypticfortune | biatche: he said windows kernel cannot move between cores |
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| 08:12.43 | Bateau | window can not move it |
| 08:12.46 | Bateau | linux can move it |
| 08:12.46 | biatche | i had misread. |
| 08:12.53 | biatche | Thanks |
| 08:12.57 | Bateau | easy error to make :) |
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| 08:13.11 | Bateau | oh, for windows, there are some tools in the resourse kits you can DL from MSDN |
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| 08:13.19 | Bateau | that let you define what cores processes will start with |
| 08:13.25 | Bateau | and restirct them to various cpus/cores |
| 08:13.40 | Bateau | it can be handy, I use them for my VMs on my development wintendo box |
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| 08:34.25 | lymeca | My GRUB menu.lst kernel entry specifies /dev/sdg as my root device, and /dev/sdg is recognised by LVM2 as the drive with the volume group and logical volumes. However, the root partition (not an LVM LV) once booted is seen by Debian Etch as /dev/sda, as displayed by the 'mount' command and /etc/fstab |
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| 08:34.55 | lymeca | Why the discrepancy, and which components detect this single HDD as /dev/sda and which detect is as /dev/sdg |
| 08:36.16 | g00se | I have a boot error, possibly caused by improper powering down. What's the best way to fix it? http://imagebin.ca/view/mBf9nER.html |
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| 08:37.53 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 08:37.53 | dpkg | i guess i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
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| 08:38.05 | varlon | hi, I'm use debian lenny on my laptop (intel 945GM video) + compiz fusion, but I have problen with xrandr. in Xorg.0.log a see a raw: (WW) Warning, couldn't open module xrandr. Where this module must be in system? |
| 08:38.05 | Guerin | g00se: that was for you, bro |
| 08:38.25 | g00se | Guerin: i was afraid it might be ;-) |
| 08:38.29 | SlayerXP | varlon: then "WW" means "warning", not "error" |
| 08:38.49 | varlon | I know |
| 08:38.56 | varlon | but this module not loaded |
| 08:39.07 | varlon | And I have lags |
| 08:39.36 | Guerin | i recommend not using compiz |
| 08:39.42 | Guerin | 100% guaranteed way to avoid lags |
| 08:39.44 | varlon | :) |
| 08:39.48 | g00se | Guerin: Can i not give etch-grub some boot params that will do some emergency fixing? |
| 08:40.12 | varlon | before update a few month ago all works fine |
| 08:40.23 | Guerin | g00se: that's a hardware failure right there. Your drive is telling your ide controller `no can do'. The kernel is just passing the message along. |
| 08:40.42 | varlon | I'm waiting 2 months, but this problem was not fixed |
| 08:41.10 | g00se | Guerin: Oh dear oh dear ... |
| 08:41.28 | ddp` | do you now when debian will be 5.0? |
| 08:41.37 | varlon | :) |
| 08:41.43 | et | not before suse is 20.0 |
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| 08:42.03 | et | seriously, what do numbers like that mean? |
| 08:42.03 | varlon | so, where can I ask about xrandr in debian? |
| 08:42.05 | Guerin | ddp`: before moon-cheese makes the supermarket at a reasonable price |
| 08:42.09 | Guerin | varlon: here. |
| 08:42.17 | varlon | hmmm |
| 08:42.31 | g00se | Guerin: So you think recent improper shutdown was just a coincidence? |
| 08:42.32 | Guerin | varlon: i just don't know very much about it, and don't care for compiz either |
| 08:42.37 | et | reminds me of the version number race in browsers, operating systems etc |
| 08:42.53 | Guerin | g00se: it could be, but it could have just been the final thing which tipped the poor wee drive over the edge |
| 08:43.12 | ddp` | so it's not for now :) |
| 08:43.16 | g00se | Guerin: OK. Thanks |
| 08:43.44 | varlon | compiz is not a prefered theme, I can uninstall it, but I want to fix problem with xrandr in my xorg-server |
| 08:44.12 | Guerin | varlon: fair enough, too. You could modprove xrandr |
| 08:44.17 | Guerin | but now I'm just guessing |
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| 08:44.48 | inkvizitor_deb | are there peoples who maked debian from ubuntu? |
| 08:44.51 | inkvizitor_deb | its real? |
| 08:45.13 | cahoot | no it's a myth |
| 08:45.25 | PythonNinja | a horrible.. HORRIBLE bad dream |
| 08:45.32 | varlon | this module doesn't exists. but "sudo xrandr -q" display a few mods |
| 08:45.36 | inkvizitor_deb | debian not installing( |
| 08:45.40 | inkvizitor_deb | lenny |
| 08:45.45 | inkvizitor_deb | but etch installed |
| 08:45.53 | liable | inkvizitor_deb: whats the actuall problem? |
| 08:46.05 | liable | inkvizitor_deb: you can install etch and upgrade to lenny. |
| 08:46.31 | inkvizitor_deb | no... apt is dying) |
| 08:46.54 | cahoot | aptoptosis? |
| 08:47.01 | o2T7 | inkvizitor_deb: What are the _exact_ commands and error messages? |
| 08:47.21 | o2T7 | inkvizitor_deb: use a pasting tool instead of pasting to the channel |
| 08:47.34 | inkvizitor_deb | i already rm'ed / |
| 08:47.44 | inkvizitor_deb | and begin to install lenny from net insatll |
| 08:47.50 | inkvizitor_deb | *install |
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| 08:48.17 | inkvizitor_deb | but when must be "getting packages" - nothing works.. |
| 08:48.30 | inkvizitor_deb | simply don get 1st package |
| 08:48.37 | liable | inkvizitor_deb: you can install a bse system from the netinstall without ethernet. this may get around your apt problem, then install what you want after booting |
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| 08:49.22 | inkvizitor_deb | i tryed from cd1 |
| 08:49.29 | Astroman | Hi, Running etch, I am getting error emails from my hourly cron - "/bin/sh: root: command not found" - an example line in my crontab is "43 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly" |
| 08:49.35 | wols | use an etch CD, not a lenny CD to install |
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| 08:50.02 | inkvizitor_deb | in lenny my video works propertly without dances((( |
| 08:51.11 | inkvizitor_deb | gdm will install from 1st cd? |
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| 08:51.27 | liable | yes |
| 08:51.44 | inkvizitor_deb | and laptop modules? |
| 08:51.58 | wols | inkvizitor_deb: you can upgreade from etch to lenny without fuss |
| 08:52.07 | liable | not sure, but i would imagine so |
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| 08:52.21 | Bateau | my only complaint was I found nothing that told me I needed to download the ucode for my wireless driver from intel and place it in /lib/firmware/ |
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| 08:52.34 | Bateau | I found a LOT that said support was "in the kernel" |
| 08:52.38 | inkvizitor_deb | wols, there some problems there) |
| 08:52.52 | inkvizitor_deb | wols, its ask for key "-f" |
| 08:52.59 | inkvizitor_deb | for evry apt* command |
| 08:53.10 | wols | if you fucked up some apt operation yes |
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| 08:53.24 | wols | pastebin the FULL output |
| 08:53.32 | AzteC | Hi to all ) |
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| 08:53.47 | dansa | good morning; i installed apache2, but can't see any mention of mod_userdir in my config file; installed ldap_userdir, but still see no addition to the config file and ~username/ is not working (in URLs) --- im getting 404. any pointers? |
| 08:54.13 | inkvizitor_deb | wols, already i cannot do it) |
| 08:54.16 | dansa | (i wonder if apache2 even works with mod_userdir; never checked) |
| 08:55.03 | wols | dansa: check mods_available and mods_enabled |
| 08:55.08 | wols | dansa: look into a2enmod |
| 08:55.14 | inkvizitor_deb | i need 2nd patchkord >< |
| 08:55.22 | dansa | wols: check where? |
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| 08:55.31 | wols | in your apache config dir |
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| 08:55.40 | dansa | oh; alright |
| 08:56.14 | o2T7 | inkvizitor_deb: So we cannot diagnose what happened |
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| 08:57.26 | dansa | hm, wols; thanks; userdir is available, but not enabled |
| 08:57.52 | wols | see a2enmod then |
| 08:58.11 | dansa | perfect; there's a tool :) |
| 08:58.14 | dansa | good news |
| 08:58.24 | dansa | well, i'm all good for now; thanks so much |
| 08:58.29 | dansa | for your attention and guidance |
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| 08:59.21 | inkvizitor_deb | anyone installed lenny at 5220? |
| 08:59.45 | wols | !anyone |
| 08:59.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 08:59.56 | wols | inkvizitor_deb: install etch, then upgrade |
| 09:00.23 | biatche | Is there such a setup, to have multiple NIC's on the same subnet to allow more higher throughput? |
| 09:00.31 | inkvizitor_deb | wols, i understand) i think wiil my laptop work propertly) |
| 09:00.38 | wols | biatche: look into bonding |
| 09:00.57 | biatche | wols: i saw that somewhere, does it work well as intended? |
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| 09:01.43 | Skratz0r | Is is possible to: cat /dev/hda3 > file.iso -- To create a mountable copy of the disk? |
| 09:01.52 | inkvizitor_deb | iceweal its just firefox 2* ? or there are some changes ? |
| 09:01.59 | Skratz0r | or dd if=/dev/hda3 of=file.iso |
| 09:02.00 | Guerin | Skratz0r: yep. It'll just be slooow. |
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| 09:02.06 | inkvizitor_deb | Skratz0r, 2nd |
| 09:02.14 | inkvizitor_deb | one minute |
| 09:02.14 | Guerin | either will work just fine |
| 09:02.19 | Skratz0r | dd would be faster than cat? |
| 09:02.19 | inkvizitor_deb | i will give command |
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| 09:03.04 | Skratz0r | Any reason why, if it is? |
| 09:03.15 | Guerin | dd will only be faster if you crank up the blocksize to something bigger |
| 09:03.23 | inkvizitor_deb | write of=~/file.iso |
| 09:03.25 | Guerin | and perhaps not even then |
| 09:03.50 | inkvizitor_deb | dont will any problems |
| 09:03.58 | Guerin | ? |
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| 09:05.14 | Skratz0r | inkvizitor_deb; thanks |
| 09:05.19 | Skratz0r | Guerin; thanks |
| 09:05.33 | Skratz0r | And where do i recognise your name from? :-| |
| 09:06.05 | Guerin | good question |
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| 09:06.29 | rmop | good morning |
| 09:06.40 | Skratz0r | Ah; guerin.indymedia.org... Lol |
| 09:06.46 | Skratz0r | You're the prefix to a server i frequent |
| 09:07.00 | Guerin | nope |
| 09:07.07 | Guerin | it ain't me, babe |
| 09:07.16 | Skratz0r | I know lol. :-P |
| 09:07.29 | Skratz0r | But thats where I remembered "Guerin" from, it seems |
| 09:07.30 | Guerin | (indymedia are a bunch of hippies) |
| 09:07.35 | Skratz0r | Are they? |
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| 09:08.00 | Skratz0r | Our channel isn't really supposed to be on there... Not being related to indymedia shit, but, meh... |
| 09:08.29 | Guerin | the idea of setting up a non-corporate media network is great - but unfortunately they let themselves get sidetracked by all this anti-capitalist commie utopian bullshit |
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| 09:08.50 | Skratz0r | Guerin; Hmm |
| 09:08.56 | Guerin | as someone who works in the actual media it makes them unbearably pompous and thoroughly laughable |
| 09:09.46 | Skratz0r | I'm not backing up for them, so this conversation isn't going to go very far. xD |
| 09:09.57 | Dewi | Guerin: I work in the independent media, and you're absolutely right |
| 09:09.58 | Skratz0r | We just use their server. We got kicked off of freenode, apparently |
| 09:10.10 | Dewi | Guerin: but maybe the two sides need to balance? I don't know |
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| 09:10.48 | Guerin | Dewi: i just lament what could be if all the talent and motivation (of which there is plenty) was actually focussed into an actual media project |
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| 09:10.54 | anddam | hi |
| 09:10.55 | Skratz0r | Guerin; define "anti-capitalist commie utopian bullshit" |
| 09:11.02 | Skratz0r | Hey anddam |
| 09:11.22 | anddam | I've made a kernel package with make-kpkg but instaling it doesn't change /boot/ symlinks like debian's images do |
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| 09:11.48 | anddam | why is that? |
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| 09:12.09 | biatche | Anyone here know anything about link aggregation / bonding? |
| 09:12.23 | Guerin | Skratz0r: hah. Basically they start from this point that all the non-indymedia media are making up lies to keep the people down, because they're owned by transnational capital, and then it gets sillier from there |
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| 09:12.41 | Guerin | biatche: try #networking - it's for the ethernet kind, not the schmoozing kind |
| 09:13.03 | trentster | hey all, need some advice, I want to setup a freenx deb machine at our datacentre for technicians to log into, One of the things they will be able to do from there is use tsclient or rdesktop to login to fix problems at our clients windows servers, I want the session to automatically loin to the server and supply the password, but I dont want the password to be in plain text in the .rdp conf file for them to read....any ideas how I |
| 09:13.03 | trentster | could go about this? |
| 09:13.16 | biatche | yeah no one is replying, actually ive tried that channel many times for 1-2 years, quite high inactivity there |
| 09:13.23 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 09:13.39 | Skratz0r | Lame |
| 09:13.42 | Skratz0r | Inactivity sucks |
| 09:13.48 | Skratz0r | Waste of good cpu time |
| 09:13.50 | wols | equiv: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 09:13.53 | Skratz0r | cycles* |
| 09:14.05 | wols | oops |
| 09:14.46 | inkvizitor_deb | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.29 | DawnLight | hello. in both of dpkg's advices about cloning, <clone> and <aptitude clone>, package states are not perserved, the file only mentions packages as "install", and there's nothing about "automatically installed". i'd like to perserve this, also. help? |
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| 09:18.04 | osh_ | In postfix, how do I rewrite the email address so that it doesn't show <root> root@my.box.com? |
| 09:18.20 | wols | osh_: #ubuntu |
| 09:18.22 | DawnLight | actually, it is not <clone> but <debian clone> |
| 09:18.45 | osh_ | I've managed to change the email but not the <root> part. |
| 09:18.54 | Guerin | osh_: fail |
| 09:18.55 | osh_ | wols: Huh? |
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| 09:19.02 | Guerin | osh_: i recommend you ask in #exim |
| 09:19.04 | Skratz0r | osh_; uhm; #postfix? |
| 09:19.09 | Guerin | nono |
| 09:19.18 | wols | osh_: you are a ubuntu user, yes or no? |
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| 09:19.32 | Guerin | he's using ubuntu and asking in #debian - so therefore, the correct behaviour is to ask postfix questions in #exim |
| 09:19.38 | Guerin | right? |
| 09:19.41 | osh_ | Yeah. Postfix is quite dead. |
| 09:19.44 | wols | absolutely right |
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| 09:19.50 | Guerin | nope, very much alive. |
| 09:19.53 | hellues | épaste |
| 09:19.55 | hellues | ops |
| 09:19.59 | Skratz0r | Guerin; lol |
| 09:20.02 | wols | osh_: ask in #ubunt or install debian if you want to ask here |
| 09:20.09 | Skratz0r | bash.org's |
| 09:20.28 | hellues | !paste |
| 09:20.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:20.31 | osh_ | Postfix isn't ubuntu specific so I thought I'd ask somewhere where people might actually know something about postfix. Like here. |
| 09:20.40 | wols | !tell osh_ about ubuntu |
| 09:20.50 | wols | osh_: you won't get an answer here |
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| 09:22.29 | hellues | hey |
| 09:22.36 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/8667/ |
| 09:22.44 | hellues | how can i enable this driver |
| 09:22.49 | hellues | must i enable it ? |
| 09:23.14 | osh_ | wols: I know about ubuntu and I know about debian. I've even created a few debian packages and I've been working with bloody redhat for a few years. Now that was some time ago so I thought I'd get some help from people who are experienced with that MTA. Is that too much to ask? |
| 09:23.31 | OpenTokix | hellues: do you have a mmc-card in the reader? |
| 09:24.01 | Guerin | osh_: those people are in #postfix. If I knew anything much abour postfix I'd be in there - this is how self-selected communities work. |
| 09:24.16 | hellues | OpenTokix, i am not sure but kernel says ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:07:00.2 [1180:0843] (rev 12) |
| 09:24.25 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to clone a debian system using apt? |
| 09:24.38 | OpenTokix | hellues: ok, but why do you need a enabled controller if it's not reading a mmc-card? |
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| 09:25.17 | wols | osh_: I don't care. you run ubuntu and not debian, ergo this channel is the wrong one for you. end of it |
| 09:25.30 | Dewi | DawnLight: you can get a list of installed packages with dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:25.35 | wols | osh_: read what dpkg told you please: " Only Debian is supported on #debian." |
| 09:25.38 | wols | ubuntu != debian |
| 09:25.40 | Guerin | DawnLight: aptitude --get-selections > selections; on the source, a minimal install and aptitude --set-selections < selections; on the destination |
| 09:25.49 | Guerin | !aolify osh_ |
| 09:25.50 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in osh_'s ear |
| 09:25.55 | hellues | OpenTokix, actually i wonder that what is the function in debian ? is it essantial or not.I dont anything abot rich-mmc |
| 09:26.08 | DawnLight | Dewi: Guerin i would like to preserve the automatically installed states |
| 09:26.08 | osh_ | Guerin: Ok, fair enough. I'm in #postfix too, but there isn't much activity there. Hasn't been for a few hours. :-/ |
| 09:26.18 | OpenTokix | hellues: why do you need it then? |
| 09:26.22 | Guerin | osh_: people sleep. |
| 09:26.29 | wols | how dare they! |
| 09:26.32 | OpenTokix | hellues: is it something not working that you need working? |
| 09:26.42 | Dewi | osh_: it looks like nobody here is going to answer it. Talking about ubuntu is only going to turn people against you |
| 09:27.12 | OpenTokix | osh_: keep in mind that Central US time now is 4:27am |
| 09:27.14 | osh_ | wols: How do you know what systems I run? Just because I happened to log in from an ubuntubox? But sure. I'll leave you alone. Bye. |
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| 09:27.31 | OpenTokix | Dewi: oh, the pretty orange.... thats linux, right? |
| 09:27.54 | Dewi | wols: don't fingerprint people's irc clients and accuse them of things |
| 09:27.59 | osh_ | OpenTokix: I was only talking about a very specific mta. nothing else. wols brought something else up. |
| 09:27.59 | hellues | kernel says it is disabled..I though my system needs it.If not what does kernel has that line "ricoh-mmc: Ricoh MMC controller found at 0000:07:00.2 [1180:0843] (rev 12)" |
| 09:28.09 | OpenTokix | osh_: =) |
| 09:28.24 | OpenTokix | hellues: ok, is something your system not working that you are using? |
| 09:28.25 | wols | Dewi: he asked in #ubuntu for half an hour exactly about this problem before coming here since no one answered him there. you judge |
| 09:28.30 | Dewi | wols: oh |
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| 09:28.38 | Dewi | wols: well that makes it kind of obvious then :) |
| 09:28.43 | wols | yes |
| 09:28.54 | OpenTokix | wols: how do you know.... about whats happening in #unmentionable? |
| 09:28.57 | OpenTokix | buuuuurn the heretic! |
| 09:28.59 | OpenTokix | ;) |
| 09:29.03 | Dewi | laughs. |
| 09:29.11 | Guerin | wols just got banned from there |
| 09:29.14 | Guerin | he's a bit sore |
| 09:29.18 | Dewi | looks like osh_ and wols both dropped themselves in it |
| 09:29.18 | Guerin | !comfort wols |
| 09:29.19 | dpkg | There, there, wols. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:29.24 | OpenTokix | apt-get install pitchfork torches |
| 09:29.25 | hellues | OpenTokix, what can i do |
| 09:29.28 | wols | Guerin: no I'm not. I'd do it the same way if I werent |
| 09:29.34 | wols | besides, I was banned by elky!" |
| 09:29.36 | OpenTokix | hellues: Answer my question |
| 09:29.41 | wols | that's a badge of pride, right? |
| 09:29.45 | Guerin | is that a badge of honour or something? |
| 09:29.46 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:30.12 | wols | waves to elky |
| 09:30.13 | hellues | i wonna answer you but i am newbie on debian.And i dont know anything about that |
| 09:30.14 | hellues | :d |
| 09:30.14 | elky | wols, you were not banned, you were removed until such a time you act in the spirit of the channel, not your own ego. |
| 09:30.28 | wols | elky: you still haven't answered me how it was a ubuntu question |
| 09:30.33 | Dewi | what's with the current crop of heretics and traitors? "Hello hash-debian, I'm a heretic, please pick on me". Some subtlety, please! |
| 09:30.46 | petemc | wols: you concern yourself too much with whether someones off topic or not |
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| 09:30.52 | elky | i did. if you refused to see the answer, that's your problem. |
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| 09:30.57 | zxxd | what libs do i need just to run init=/bin/bash |
| 09:31.04 | zxxd | it's for testing a domu |
| 09:31.07 | wols | elky: his ubuntu question I did answer, immediately |
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| 09:31.23 | OpenTokix | hellues: you don't know if your machine is working or not? |
| 09:31.23 | simonrvn | zxxd: o_O |
| 09:31.32 | themill | DawnLight: the instructions in "aptitude clone" only get the manually installed packages and then everything that is then installed to fix up the dependencies is auto installed. That should work fine. |
| 09:31.32 | cahoot | in what way is this a #debian matter? |
| 09:31.35 | Guerin | zxxd: this ain't a debian question. A debian question would be `what packages must I install to do ~?' |
| 09:31.52 | DawnLight | themill: that is great. thanks |
| 09:32.07 | themill | DawnLight: That's my understanding... check it out, read man pages etc :) |
| 09:32.08 | zxxd | what packages must I install to do ~? |
| 09:32.25 | Dewi | good question |
| 09:32.29 | zxxd | and libs do i need just to run init=/bin/bash |
| 09:32.31 | Guerin | zxxd: you must install those packages in the base install :) |
| 09:32.46 | OpenTokix | hellues: ok, I googled for you |
| 09:32.48 | OpenTokix | hellues: This selects the disabler for the Ricoh MMC Controller. This proprietary controller is unnecessary because the SDHCI driver supports MMC cards on the SD controller, but if it is not disabled, it will steal the MMC cards away - rendering them useless. It is safe to select this driver even if you don't have a Ricoh based card reader. |
| 09:32.57 | Guerin | zxxd: if you run debootstrap, that's about as minimal as you'll get |
| 09:33.04 | simonrvn | ok, he's actually serious... seriously confused |
| 09:33.05 | zxxd | good idea |
| 09:33.06 | zxxd | thanks |
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| 09:34.19 | OpenTokix | hellues: are you using the sd-card reader on your <brandname> laptop? |
| 09:35.04 | g00se | Guerin: i'm still seeing that monitor borking in the same way, yet i've sshfs-mounted that disk and am reading it! |
| 09:35.16 | Guerin | g00se: oo, funky. |
| 09:35.25 | Guerin | g00se: get your data off that disk pronto |
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| 09:35.47 | g00se | Guerin: i will ;-) |
| 09:35.51 | OpenTokix | Everyone, get lingring data off the rogue disks |
| 09:35.52 | Guerin | using rsync or some other filesystem-wise program which will recover what it can despite errors |
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| 09:36.05 | zxxd | wow deboostrap is just a shell script |
| 09:36.08 | Guerin | (rather than a bitwise program which will born when it hits corruption) |
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| 09:36.28 | Guerin | zxxd: that's what debian is. Perl and shell. |
| 09:36.44 | zxxd | apt-* are written in C though |
| 09:36.50 | Dewi | Guerin / g00se : gddrescue does bitwise recovery that leaves the bad areas until the end and can recover a hell of a lot, usually |
| 09:36.59 | Guerin | Dewi: ah, cool |
| 09:37.04 | zxxd | Guerin, |
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| 09:37.11 | Dewi | refuses to use anything else anymore |
| 09:37.11 | Guerin | zxxd: yehyeh |
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| 09:39.13 | anddam | I tought new kernel wasn't working then I realized I had unplugged the ethernet cable |
| 09:39.31 | simonrvn | wonders when elky is going to reply to that email he sent her |
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| 09:39.48 | anddam | anyone about the symlinks in /boot question? wasn't the kernel image built with make-kpkg supposed to update them? |
| 09:40.03 | elky | simonrvn, which? |
| 09:40.12 | biatche | ' |
| 09:40.33 | simonrvn | probably at the bottom of your inbox by now, if not gone into spam |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: wouldn't you send yours by smoke signal, bro? |
| 09:40.54 | cahoot | anddam: looked at /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | flees |
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| 09:41.08 | g00se | Guerin: it gets funkier. My girlfriend simply ignored the monitor bork and continued to login. X is now up and she's in |
| 09:41.20 | simonrvn | !lart Guerin |
| 09:41.20 | dpkg | slaps a compatible dib on Guerin's head |
| 09:41.28 | anddam | cahoot: obviously not, untl yesterday I didn't even knew about make-kpkg |
| 09:41.29 | Guerin | not the compatible dib! |
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| 09:41.44 | simonrvn | you prefer the incompatible one? |
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| 09:41.50 | cahoot | anddam: how would I supposed to know that? |
| 09:41.57 | Guerin | g00se: oh, I thought it'd ground to a halt. I had a disk which lasted for about a year like that, before finally giving out in a power-surge. |
| 09:42.02 | anddam | cahoot: you weren't |
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| 09:42.08 | anddam | cahoot: do_symlinks=Yes |
| 09:42.25 | Guerin | simonrvn: which one is free software? |
| 09:42.41 | g00se | Guerin: no it just goes on and on borking (or did) |
| 09:43.03 | simonrvn | if the revision number is under 2, it's the incompatible one |
| 09:43.03 | Guerin | g00se: ah well, lucky you. Still, get yer datas while you can. |
| 09:43.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: fail. |
| 09:43.27 | simonrvn | moi? fail? :P |
| 09:43.32 | Guerin | no, dib |
| 09:43.35 | g00se | Guerin: will do |
| 09:43.37 | anddam | cahoot: so it sohuld have update them |
| 09:43.59 | simonrvn | i get dibs on the dib |
| 09:44.32 | cahoot | anddam: right - out of ideas |
| 09:45.15 | simonrvn | so, now, you gotta guess which dib |
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| 09:48.41 | anddam | cahoot: me too, anyway I changed them by hand |
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| 09:49.11 | zxxd | it turns out debbootstrap isn't that minimal |
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| 09:49.24 | cahoot | anddam: are they of any practical use anyway? |
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| 09:49.43 | DawnLight | can anyone make me a command that will replace all newlines with spaces? |
| 09:49.57 | cahoot | DawnLight: google for sed faq |
| 09:50.07 | hellues | i ask a question |
| 09:50.22 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 09:50.22 | dpkg | Sed takes a bit of getting used to: http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/unix/sed.html, google "paolo bonzini sed", http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/, or http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 09:50.34 | hellues | i make a change on my desktop but when i rebooted my machine my desktop turn the old setting |
| 09:50.38 | Guerin | zxxd: it's pretty minimal |
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| 09:50.50 | Guerin | zxxd: cuting it back much firther than that is mostly a waste of time |
| 09:50.50 | hellues | and i cannot add applet i cannot change on nautilus |
| 09:51.06 | hellues | all of settingss turn to old setting |
| 09:51.11 | hellues | how can i fix that |
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| 09:51.40 | zxxd | how do packages know when to use the libs in /lib/tls or the ones in /lib/tls/i686/cmov that come with libc6-xen ? |
| 09:52.11 | Guerin | zxxd: they know because they have magic symbolic mojo built in |
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| 09:53.35 | zxxd | Guerin, which is they ? |
| 09:53.41 | zxxd | Guerin, /bin/bash for example? |
| 09:53.46 | themill | DawnLight: if that's all you're doing, the tr might be easier. Joining lines together with sed takes a bit more work. |
| 09:54.04 | DawnLight | themill: what is tr? |
| 09:54.12 | simonrvn | a command |
| 09:54.38 | DawnLight | i'm sure |
| 09:54.54 | DawnLight | can i just get a line to do this, please? |
| 09:54.59 | themill | DawnLight: man tr. It's in coreutils so you're already have it. |
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| 09:56.17 | DawnLight | please just cooperate. /me installs debian on common users' desktops. /me is good person. /me ++ |
| 09:56.23 | simonrvn | once you know how, you'll forget all about the 2-3 hours you spent trying to figure tr out |
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| 09:56.37 | DawnLight | no way |
| 09:56.52 | simonrvn | i'm pulling your leg |
| 09:57.00 | simonrvn | i meant 7 hours |
| 09:57.09 | simonrvn | runs away |
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| 09:58.23 | simonrvn | more like 7 minutes ;) |
| 09:58.50 | themill | DawnLight: tr '\n' ' ' |
| 09:59.04 | DawnLight | thanks a buncha |
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| 09:59.26 | themill | DawnLight: You could have read the man page yourself faster... |
| 10:00.04 | waspius | hi..for some strange reason my system crashed and i am not able to access it..i tried the command fsck through a live cd but it cannot fix the problem...something has gone wrong with the sectors and |
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| 10:00.23 | waspius | y |
| 10:00.41 | DawnLight | themill: it didn't work well |
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| 10:01.01 | themill | dpkg: tell DawnLight about doesn't work |
| 10:01.48 | themill | DawnLight: that command does exactly what you want -- replace newlines by spaces. What are you really trying to do and in what way did that not work. |
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| 10:02.13 | themill | DawnLight: Paste the exact command you used and the sample input and output to a pastebin. |
| 10:02.22 | DawnLight | themill: cat package_list | tr '\n' ' ' >package_list.new |
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| 10:02.41 | DawnLight | themill: i've a newline seperated package list |
| 10:03.28 | petemc | DawnLight: if you're trying to do the selections thing, you dont need to be doing what you're doing |
| 10:03.36 | themill | !wayttd DawnLight |
| 10:03.36 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DawnLight? |
| 10:03.42 | petemc | !debian clone |
| 10:03.43 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 10:03.48 | DawnLight | and sed s/\n/' '/g doesn't do it either |
| 10:03.59 | DawnLight | i'm tyring to make me a package list for preseeeeeeeeed |
| 10:04.14 | themill | DawnLight: and what didn't work about the tr command? |
| 10:04.31 | DawnLight | themill: try it yourself and see |
| 10:04.52 | themill | DawnLight: It works fine for me |
| 10:05.15 | DawnLight | blah |
| 10:05.28 | osh_ | DawnLight: in vi :1,$0s/\n/ /g |
| 10:06.02 | themill | also hands DawnLight the Useless Use of Cat award |
| 10:06.16 | simonrvn | !uuoc DawnLight |
| 10:06.16 | dpkg | hands DawnLight the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
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| 10:08.08 | DawnLight | i'm confused |
| 10:08.12 | Skratz0r | ?? |
| 10:08.15 | Skratz0r | !uuoc Skrat |
| 10:08.16 | dpkg | hands Skrat the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
| 10:08.23 | Skratz0r | :-| |
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| 10:08.47 | Dewi | cat is good for keeping the source where it should be - on the left |
| 10:08.49 | simonrvn | you used cat unnecessarily |
| 10:08.51 | Skratz0r | !uuodd |
| 10:08.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, here's your Useless Use Of dd award! Stick it above the fire with your UUOC award if you like! |
| 10:09.06 | Skratz0r | !uuoc |
| 10:09.07 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 10:09.18 | themill | Skratz0r: /msg dpkg ... |
| 10:09.22 | Skratz0r | Sorry |
| 10:09.22 | Dewi | until you try to change your regexp |
| 10:09.25 | Dewi | then it's harder |
| 10:09.28 | DawnLight | how do i specify a newline in sed? |
| 10:09.32 | Dewi | cat -> ease of debugging |
| 10:09.42 | Dewi | oops that arrow is backwards |
| 10:09.42 | themill | DawnLight: what's wrong with tr? You still haven't said what's wrong |
| 10:09.57 | DawnLight | themill: i can't even paste it the way it is shown in my terminal |
| 10:10.00 | themill | DawnLight: The most we've got out of you is "didn't work" and "try it yourself" |
| 10:10.06 | DawnLight | i know |
| 10:10.14 | DawnLight | it doesn't paste like i see it |
| 10:10.18 | Dewi | DawnLight: try importing the get-selections output with no transformation |
| 10:10.32 | DawnLight | i'm not trying to import this |
| 10:10.34 | themill | DawnLight: have you somehow turned this file into a dos line endings file? |
| 10:11.05 | DawnLight | i'm trying to make it into a space seperated list from a newline seperated list |
| 10:11.15 | DawnLight | that is all and i get problems |
| 10:11.22 | petemc | which the command themill gave you does |
| 10:11.30 | petemc | try engaging your brain |
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| 10:11.43 | themill | DawnLight: what does: file package_list give? |
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| 10:11.45 | DawnLight | this isn't my fault. i'm not stupid |
| 10:11.50 | petemc | just lazy then |
| 10:12.03 | DawnLight | ascii text |
| 10:12.22 | DawnLight | package_list.new: ASCII text, with very long lines, with no line terminators |
| 10:12.28 | DawnLight | ahuh! |
| 10:12.30 | DawnLight | what is this? |
| 10:12.39 | DawnLight | this is what the tr command did |
| 10:12.47 | Dewi | isn't that what you wanted? |
| 10:12.48 | themill | DawnLight: That's what you wanted it to do... |
| 10:12.55 | DawnLight | ahm... |
| 10:13.22 | themill | [10:49] <DawnLight> can anyone make me a command that will replace all newlines with spaces? |
| 10:13.55 | Skratz0r | _-_ |
| 10:13.58 | DawnLight | then why... |
| 10:14.00 | themill | DawnLight: how are you looking at package_list.new? just catting it to the terminal? |
| 10:14.21 | DawnLight | does it look like this http://picpaste.com/konq-snapshot16.jpg ? |
| 10:14.36 | jelly | DawnLight: what did you expect to happen after replacing all the \n with spaces? |
| 10:15.04 | DawnLight | i expect it to turn from a newline seperated list, to a space seperated list! |
| 10:15.08 | Dewi | nice |
| 10:15.12 | Dewi | dunno how you did that |
| 10:15.14 | themill | DawnLight: look at the file in an editor like vi |
| 10:15.23 | DawnLight | i'm looking at it and it looks the same |
| 10:15.34 | DawnLight | lots of spaces |
| 10:15.47 | Dewi | I think you left lots of spaces in your input |
| 10:15.50 | DawnLight | why? how? brraaaaaooowww |
| 10:15.58 | jelly | DawnLight: sounds like you also had some \r in your file, and those were left untouched |
| 10:16.07 | themill | DawnLight: Are you sure that the original file doesn't also have lots of spaces? |
| 10:16.08 | DawnLight | ahm... |
| 10:16.18 | Dewi | also, it doesn't matter |
| 10:16.19 | DawnLight | that is a good thought! |
| 10:16.38 | themill | jelly: \r would normally give the output on top of the previous line, this is a linefeed without a cr |
| 10:16.40 | Dewi | but if it displeases you, match \s*\n or something instead of \n |
| 10:16.45 | zophy[] | i never found a way to use sed for newlines, i used tr |
| 10:16.45 | zophy[] | i'll bet there is a way to use sed for that |
| 10:16.45 | DawnLight | it does |
| 10:16.51 | zophy[] | DawnLight, check thttp://www.computing.net/answers/unix/sed-newline/5640.htmlhis out --> |
| 10:16.53 | zophy[] | DawnLight, check this out --> http://www.computing.net/answers/unix/sed-newline/5640.html |
| 10:16.59 | zophy[] | maybe using ctrl-v "enter" would work instead of \n |
| 10:17.03 | jelly | themill: whatever! :-) |
| 10:17.28 | Dewi | perl is way less confusing than all these obscure tools |
| 10:17.38 | Dewi | perl -pe 's/pat/repl/g;' |
| 10:17.42 | jelly | DawnLight: hexdump -C file | head -2 |
| 10:17.43 | themill | DawnLight: I'm predicting that your input file has a lot of spaces in it too |
| 10:17.51 | DawnLight | that is right |
| 10:17.54 | DawnLight | i'll deal with that |
| 10:18.07 | Dewi | perl -pe 's/\s*\n/ /g;' |
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| 10:18.36 | jelly | DawnLight: what are you planning to do with those package names afterwards? |
| 10:18.47 | DawnLight | use them in a preseeeeeeed |
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| 10:19.51 | pozic | Is there a pdf compressor that takes a pdf file and converts it into something smaller that is still pdf and looks the same? |
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| 10:20.05 | Dewi | pozic: use a decent pdf distiller in the first place |
| 10:20.09 | pozic | Or, is there a program that generates smaller pdf files from a TeX file? |
| 10:20.31 | themill | pozic: what are you thinking you can leave out? |
| 10:20.34 | pozic | Dewi: I have the TeX source file. |
| 10:20.47 | Dewi | pozic: the ghostscript tools are better than they used to be, but still not great |
| 10:21.08 | pozic | themill: in the source document? Well, actually nothing. |
| 10:21.27 | Dewi | themill: you'd be surprised how much unnecessary stuff goes in lots of PDF files |
| 10:21.38 | Dewi | themill: they are just text, after all, and often they are massive quite unnecessarily |
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| 10:21.53 | themill | Dewi: go on... what unnecessary stuff is pdflatex putting into this pdf? |
| 10:21.57 | Radhad | hi |
| 10:22.05 | pozic | Dewi: I use ps2pdf. |
| 10:22.23 | Dewi | themill: I don't know that it does |
| 10:22.30 | pozic | Hmm, no I don't. |
| 10:22.34 | pozic | I use pdflatex. |
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| 10:23.13 | themill | pozic: it's likely to be embedding fonts. If you use standard pdf fonts you can get around that. |
| 10:23.25 | Dewi | themill: but ghostview used to produce huge files with ugly raster-ish fonts |
| 10:23.30 | Dewi | ghostscript even |
| 10:23.36 | themill | yes. |
| 10:23.42 | pozic | themill: any idea of how I can force normal fonts? |
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| 10:24.57 | Dewi | also many frantic study afternoons were slowed down by downloading massive latex-originated PDFs over dialup... those were the days |
| 10:25.18 | themill | pozic: \usepackage{times} should do it. But you'd do better going to #latex for questions about latex and pdflatex options. |
| 10:26.19 | themill | Dewi: dvips then ps2pdf used to be the recommended way of making pdfs. They were big and looked ugly on screen even if they printed nicely. pdflatex doesn't go through that rasterisation and the pdfs are acceptable size. |
| 10:26.33 | anddam | fluxbox is hanging the X session, I haven't any clue |
| 10:26.47 | anddam | it works with another user |
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| 10:27.45 | Level2Tec | it works with my mom too |
| 10:27.46 | Dewi | themill: nice. the tools *are* much better than they used to be, that's for sure |
| 10:28.03 | themill | Dewi: e.g. the document I'm currently working on has 400 kB of source material (including a couple of compressed jpg images) and is making a 350 kB pdf which has the fonts embedded too. |
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| 10:28.10 | pozic | themill: it worked :) |
| 10:28.16 | themill | :) |
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| 10:28.29 | anddam | Level2Tec: nice to know |
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| 10:39.48 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... doing a new install of testing and I choose to do an expert install - and no, I'm not an expert - but now I get to kernel install and there are two here that look ok to me... 2.6-686 and 2.6.24-1-686 ... what's the difference? |
| 10:40.51 | pozic | ArthurArchnix: The former is a package that will get updated automatically when you update next time. The latter is not. Initially they are the same I think. |
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| 10:41.39 | ArthurArchnix | Ah... thanks pozic... |
| 10:41.48 | dutchfish | ArthurArchnix, your prolly doping lenny, 2.6.24 will giveyou just that while 2.6-686 give you the curent latest and will update your kernel if newer will get in |
| 10:42.01 | DawnLight | later folks |
| 10:42.18 | ArthurArchnix | Currently Lenny is on 2.6.24-7 according to the wiki I've found, but the updating thing is the key info I needed |
| 10:42.49 | ArthurArchnix | great |
| 10:42.55 | ArthurArchnix | off to complete it. Thanks guys |
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| 10:53.25 | DawnLight | i'm back! |
| 10:53.29 | buntfalke | uh...wasnt apt-get.org faster once? |
| 10:53.50 | wols | I wouldn't use apt-get.org in the first place |
| 10:53.51 | petemc | faster than what? |
| 10:53.56 | buntfalke | than now |
| 10:54.05 | DawnLight | when i use preseed to install packages, do the dpkg configure dialog questions show up? |
| 10:54.47 | themill | !wayttd buntfalke |
| 10:54.48 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, buntfalke? |
| 10:55.31 | buntfalke | naa, everythings fine. it is just slow searching regex'es in the database there |
| 10:55.53 | buntfalke | "Search took 53.371 seconds." |
| 10:55.55 | buntfalke | :-) |
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| 10:59.49 | themill | buntfalke: apt-get.org isn't a place I'd trust for packages though... |
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| 11:03.10 | DawnLight | is it possible to set more than one mirror in preseed? |
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| 11:03.43 | buntfalke | themill: never had a problem so far |
| 11:04.17 | buntfalke | anyway |
| 11:04.40 | themill | buntfalke: many of the packages are old, poorly packaged or don't keep up with security fixes. Not really my cup of tea at all. |
| 11:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'file/Copy.pm' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.14 | buntfalke | themill: enough for me if i just need sth once. |
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| 11:08.23 | dutchfish | why does xserver-xorg has conflicts with xserver-xfree86 when this package is not in the repos (lenny amd64)? |
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| 11:11.52 | liable | dutchfish: for people who are upgrading from older versions? |
| 11:12.16 | dutchfish | liable, ah ok, a safety net |
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| 11:13.16 | dutchfish | liable, however this prevents me to roll my own xserver-xfree86 ... mmm |
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| 11:13.49 | zxxd | is there any performance lost if i install libc6-xen and i am not running xen? |
| 11:13.50 | liable | dutchfish: if you build your own, dpkg wont know about it |
| 11:14.09 | dutchfish | liable, my own packages i ment |
| 11:14.48 | dutchfish | zxxd, no, but its a smaller subsetwith less functionality |
| 11:14.58 | dutchfish | zxxd, so, dont |
| 11:15.03 | ootput_ | hello. just wondering if it were relatively painless to revert my locale from utf8. Would this affect fonts or the way lines are drawn in ncurse applications? |
| 11:15.33 | zxxd | dutchfish, it says in the info that it should auto select the packages if running under xen |
| 11:15.34 | buntfalke | Is there a way to easily switch from i386 to amd64? (and back?) |
| 11:15.50 | dutchfish | zxxd, yes |
| 11:15.56 | zxxd | dutchfish, how does it do that? |
| 11:16.12 | ootput | also, in etch, is dmix enabled by default for most/all sound drivers? |
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| 11:16.22 | ootput | (w/ alsa) |
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| 11:16.54 | dutchfish | zxxd, from memory on it influences as an example the way networking behaves and also disk i/o |
| 11:17.28 | dutchfish | zxxd, it makes the kernel aware of paravitualisation on the guest |
| 11:18.07 | waspius | hi for some reason my system crashed and i cannot login..i am running a live cd in order to backup my files but it is going really really slow.something happened to the hard drive clusters or something..how can i fix it? |
| 11:18.26 | dutchfish | zxxd, but why would you anyway if i may ask? |
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| 11:19.34 | zxxd | dutchfish, i have a chroot debian image i export with NFS , clients then load it from the network as their root with NFSROOT , |
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| 11:19.55 | dutchfish | zxxd, ok, but still the question stands |
| 11:20.12 | zxxd | dutchfish, but sometimes i wish to install new packages and i do chroot from the server exporting this NFS image |
| 11:20.19 | zxxd | and the server is running xen |
| 11:20.44 | zxxd | and then it complains about 4giga bit fix error work around something similar |
| 11:20.59 | anddam | I'd like to rename wifi interface from rt2400pci driver, its name is wlan0_rename but I'm not sure how should I rename it with udev |
| 11:21.03 | zxxd | unless i use the libc6-xen libraries on the nfs image |
| 11:21.17 | wols | !z45 |
| 11:21.21 | wols | !z25 |
| 11:21.21 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 11:21.27 | anddam | wols: yes it's z25 |
| 11:21.31 | anddam | z45 is its generator |
| 11:21.33 | wols | then edit it |
| 11:21.38 | wols | you can name it anything you like |
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| 11:21.44 | zxxd | but the clients that load this NFS image run it naturally with a normal kernel and dont need this library |
| 11:21.51 | ootput | comparing oftc and freenode networks, which has a higher number of active ircers in the #debian channel? |
| 11:21.53 | anddam | I don't know how to refer to that interface, it's not a physical interface |
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| 11:22.23 | anddam | wols: I edited the z25-persistent-net to change name for the card to "ra0" according to MAC address |
| 11:22.24 | dutchfish | zxxd, in that case libc6-xen comes on top of libc6 (at least in 2.3.6.xxx) so no need to remove if you want it to run in a non-xen chroot temporarely. But watch out for access to hardware on the chrooted envirenment, thats where you can run into trouble |
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| 11:22.38 | anddam | wols: because previous driver didn't have two interfaces |
| 11:22.58 | anddam | now I've got SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:11:2f:xx:xx:xx", NAME="ra0" |
| 11:23.12 | anddam | but I don't really know how to refer to a "virtual" interface |
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| 11:23.35 | themill | anddam: are you referring to a "_master" interface? |
| 11:23.40 | wols | anddam: look into ifrename perhas |
| 11:23.59 | anddam | themill: I'm sorry I can't understand the question |
| 11:24.12 | themill | anddam: what's this virtual interface? |
| 11:24.15 | dutchfish | zxxd, now when you chroot into to xen-guest, it uses not the libc6 from the guest but the libc6 from dom-0 |
| 11:24.21 | anddam | themill: let me brief it |
| 11:24.51 | anddam | themill: old driver, 1 NIC and 1 interface "ra0", worked like every other ethernet NIC |
| 11:24.55 | dutchfish | zxxd, you can also circumvent this with xens update tool for xen-guests |
| 11:25.20 | anddam | themill: new driver, 1 NIC 2 interfaces, "ra0" and "wlan0_rename" the latter accepts iwconfig command |
| 11:25.25 | berzerka | when trying to attach to a process with strace (strace -p 2000), i get "attach: ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH, ...): Operation not permitted", as root user. what kind of permission am i missing here? |
| 11:25.26 | dutchfish | zxxd, (xen-tools) |
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| 11:25.45 | waspius | anyone? |
| 11:25.47 | anddam | themill: so I'm not sure what the "_master" question means |
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| 11:26.15 | zxxd | dutchfish, chroot /bin/bash dosen't load the libraries in the chrooted enviroment? |
| 11:26.43 | waspius | berzerka: maybe u should try as a simple user |
| 11:26.48 | zxxd | xens update tool for xen-guests? |
| 11:26.50 | dutchfish | zxxd, the other way arround |
| 11:26.53 | zxxd | oh ok |
| 11:27.04 | berzerka | waspius: i did that, as the same user who owns the process to be traced. |
| 11:27.05 | themill | anddam: many of the new drivers are creating a virtual interface "wmaster0" to go with "wlan0" for example. I was wondering if that's what you meant. I suspect it *is* what you have here too. You normally only get interfaces ending in _rename when the renaming failed for some reason. |
| 11:27.07 | dutchfish | zxxd, man xm |
| 11:27.41 | ootput | sometimes aptitude pulls in recommendations; is it possible to only specify depends? |
| 11:27.54 | wols | ootput: yes |
| 11:27.59 | themill | dpkg: tell ootput about aptitude-fu |
| 11:28.09 | wols | ootput: it always pulls in recommends now btw |
| 11:28.17 | berzerka | waspius: get the ultimate boot cd and check with your vendor's tools wether the drive is dying. i you can at all access the drive from the livecd, and you have the capacity to store it somewhere, first make a complete image of the drive as it is, using dd. |
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| 11:28.23 | dutchfish | zxxd, as a 3th anthernative, you can run xen on your client to load the VM-image (prolly lvm2) within a VM, so you can do it natively |
| 11:28.42 | dutchfish | a/anthernative/althernative |
| 11:29.13 | themill | anddam: the failed renaming should be evident in the logs (somewhere... can't remember where) |
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| 11:29.33 | ootput | wols: do u leave it as it is? |
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| 11:29.36 | berzerka | waspius: then, if the drive is not damaged, but only the filesystem, run fsck to restore it. (and search lost+found on your partitions for any potentially lost data..) |
| 11:29.40 | dutchfish | zxxd, its all discissued in the migration docs |
| 11:29.58 | anddam | themill: I see, but I can't see any error when loading the driver |
| 11:30.03 | wols | do I leave what as it is? |
| 11:30.07 | waspius | berzerka: the drive is about 4 months old...i have tried fsck but it does not sem to manage to fix it |
| 11:30.09 | wols | no I disabled recommends |
| 11:30.14 | anddam | themill: not in dmesg nor in syslog |
| 11:30.16 | ootput | where would somehthing like Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
| 11:30.20 | ootput | ...go |
| 11:30.22 | berzerka | waspius: the drive's age is unimportant. |
| 11:30.39 | wols | ootput: not the right way, close but not totally IIRC |
| 11:30.42 | berzerka | waspius: what do you mean by "does not seem to manage to fix it?" |
| 11:30.45 | themill | anddam: It's *normally* sufficient to just comment out all the entries for that card in z25 and regenerate the plug event (perhaps by rebooting) and all is solved... |
| 11:30.48 | wols | ootput: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 11:31.01 | themill | wols: he's using aptitude not apt |
| 11:31.06 | liable | or just delete it |
| 11:31.09 | wols | waspius: if you have a disk with errors |
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| 11:31.23 | wols | themill: so? /etc/apt/sources.list is used by aptitude and apt-get alike too |
| 11:31.30 | wols | waspius: then use smartmontools |
| 11:31.31 | wols | and since it |
| 11:31.34 | wols | grah! |
| 11:31.43 | wols | and since it'S new: RMA it |
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| 11:32.08 | anddam | I have 20 times the same rule for the same card |
| 11:32.18 | anddam | an ethernet nic from eth0 to eth20 |
| 11:32.26 | wols | delete them all. is the MAc different each time? |
| 11:32.32 | liable | anddam: delete the file and reload modules |
| 11:32.34 | ootput | wols, themill: dpkg mentions that # aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i' lists recommended/suggested packages that are uninstalled. How would i go about listing installed packages of that nature? |
| 11:32.35 | berzerka | wols, waspius: smartmontools, or even better the vendor's tool from a boot cd. smart doesn't report all kinds of errors, but the statistics of course generally indicate a failing drive.. |
| 11:32.40 | themill | wols: man aptitude doesn't mention apt.conf.d, only apt.conf... it might work |
| 11:32.54 | anddam | liable: shouldn't I regenerate it after deleting? |
| 11:32.57 | wols | berzerka: I haven't seen anything else than SMART from vendor tools yet either |
| 11:33.01 | ootput | wols, themill: should i use both locations then? |
| 11:33.11 | liable | anddam: reloading the modules will generate it |
| 11:33.15 | dutchfish | zxxd, you can even run the dom-U's on the dom-0's kernel, so there is no need for a giest kernel at all ;) |
| 11:33.19 | anddam | liable: all modules? |
| 11:33.25 | dutchfish | s/giest/guest |
| 11:33.31 | anddam | if so I'd reboot |
| 11:33.31 | liable | anddam: just the ones for your network cards |
| 11:33.34 | anddam | ok |
| 11:33.45 | waspius | wols: thank you i will check it |
| 11:33.46 | anddam | only wifi card or I'll get drop off the internet |
| 11:33.55 | waspius | berzerka: thank you i will check that to |
| 11:33.57 | wols | themill: lots of stuff starts to use .d directories nowadays. |
| 11:33.57 | waspius | too |
| 11:34.04 | themill | wols: indeed |
| 11:34.09 | dutchfish | zxxd, xen is really flexible to this point |
| 11:34.12 | berzerka | wols: oh, the vendor's tools also read only the SMART data? hmm... i was under the impression that they are able to query drive/vendor-specific data, but may be mistaken. |
| 11:34.19 | wols | it's cleaner and easier to manage if several packages need to change stuff there than a single file |
| 11:34.19 | enouf | ootput: i have this in my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/98-recommends APT::Install-Recommends="false"; though there's likely a better debian or aptitude way - and i guess you want to replace APT there with Aptitude - i forget |
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| 11:34.33 | enouf | ootput: actually, i don't forget, i just don't know :-P |
| 11:34.38 | themill | ootput: to do what? I personally leave installing recommends turned on as 99% of the time it's what I want. I don't want to have to futz around to work out why the inbuilt spellchecker isn't working, because I've not yet installed a package that's required... |
| 11:34.40 | ootput | hahah thanks |
| 11:34.51 | anddam | liable: much better |
| 11:34.55 | anddam | wlan0 and wmaster0 |
| 11:34.59 | berzerka | waspius: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com |
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| 11:35.08 | anddam | thanks a lot |
| 11:35.08 | wols | berzerka: well, SMART is not always SMART. there are differences between implementation. lots of "may" in that standard basically |
| 11:35.14 | waspius | berzerka: thank you |
| 11:35.14 | liable | anddam: good. yw |
| 11:35.18 | ootput | hang on, which has higher priority, suggested or recommened packages? |
| 11:35.20 | ootput | +d |
| 11:35.26 | berzerka | wols: alright, thanks. |
| 11:35.30 | wols | recommands are higher |
| 11:35.38 | enouf | waspius: i concur, HDD age doesn't matter, and heat is the biggest killer |
| 11:35.39 | wols | suggests are not automatically installed yet |
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| 11:35.51 | anddam | I should set up wmaster0 with ifconfig, right? |
| 11:35.59 | liable | wlan0 |
| 11:36.02 | themill | anddam: excellent... that's what I was expecting to happen when you did that. No, ignore wmaster0 |
| 11:36.02 | anddam | and wlan0 for specific wireless setup |
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| 11:36.12 | liable | anddam: wlan0 for both. |
| 11:36.14 | anddam | ah ok wmaster0==poo |
| 11:36.17 | wols | themill: what IS wmaster0 for? |
| 11:36.19 | ootput | wols: have you run into any problems with disabled recommends? |
| 11:36.21 | anddam | wlan0 FTW |
| 11:36.39 | ootput | wifi0 here |
| 11:36.43 | wols | ootput: not really, but what themill said is true. it also depends if you run a server ior a desktop imho |
| 11:36.43 | anddam | simple ideas are better remembered |
| 11:36.46 | enouf | liable: yeah, where does this wmaster0 come from? and is it useful at all? or some junk from avahi maybe? |
| 11:36.49 | anddam | wlan |
| 11:36.56 | themill | wols: nfc... I've never managed to get a sensible explanation other than it's a "control" interface or some such |
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| 11:37.35 | anddam | I could eventually add other wlanX interface on the same wmaster, isn't it the point? |
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| 11:37.51 | wols | I think it's a master only for one card |
| 11:37.54 | liable | with madwifi yes |
| 11:38.09 | enouf | what? |
| 11:38.11 | themill | wols, enouf: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211#Themasterdevicewmaster0 |
| 11:38.18 | enouf | scratches head ... |
| 11:38.19 | liable | it like the base device, you can create different mode devices from it. |
| 11:38.26 | enouf | themill: ok then ;-) |
| 11:39.16 | lolz | hello on pc of 240 mb ram pentium 4 is more fast and light kdebase or gnome? |
| 11:39.16 | enouf | liable: but suppose wmaster0 is UP , but not wlan{X}? .. which iface isn't working? :-P |
| 11:40.23 | enouf | probably neither |
| 11:40.24 | liable | enouf: well you wont be able to use it if wlan0 is not up |
| 11:40.30 | anddam | bye |
| 11:40.38 | liable | you cant actually use the master device for anything |
| 11:40.42 | lolz | hello on pc of 240 mb ram pentium 4 is more fast and light kdebase or gnome? |
| 11:40.47 | waspius | berzerka: what do i download from there? |
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| 11:41.05 | enouf | liable: righto - thanks, and i would presume wmaster0 needs to exist and be up for wlanX to work? |
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| 11:41.30 | berzerka | waspius: an iso image for the boot cd. |
| 11:41.37 | cahoot | it's called master for a reason ;) |
| 11:41.58 | liable | enouf: it is made when the driver is loaded. i think they both come up when you bring the wlan0 one up |
| 11:42.01 | enouf | gah - i've seen that for iwlwifi people's devices |
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| 11:42.03 | themill | enouf: according to that page, it's an accident that you can see it at all and you can expect it to disappear some time. |
| 11:42.04 | enouf | er ifaces |
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| 11:42.18 | waspius | berzerka: which for some reason i cannot find:s |
| 11:42.27 | E-bola | Where can i find info on how to setup apt to also check etch-backports? |
| 11:42.30 | enouf | liable: so it's not only a madwifi thing, correct? |
| 11:42.42 | themill | dpkg: tell E-bola about backports.org |
| 11:42.43 | petemc | E-bola: on backports.orgf |
| 11:42.44 | enouf | themill: getting there, thanks ;-) |
| 11:42.45 | ootput | is there a way to list installed packages that were of 'recommend' or 'suggest' nature |
| 11:42.46 | petemc | s/f/// |
| 11:42.49 | petemc | bah |
| 11:42.57 | ootput | -f |
| 11:43.06 | lolz | hello on pc of 240 mb ram pentium 4 is more fast and light kdebase or gnome? |
| 11:43.10 | enouf | ootput: likely |
| 11:43.14 | berzerka | waspius: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/download.html |
| 11:43.18 | liable | enouf: yep, its a madwifi and mac80211 thing, but you can create vaps with the mac80211 cards. madwifi you can have a monitor and ap and sta mode vap all on one chip |
| 11:43.20 | ootput | that you know of? |
| 11:43.21 | wols | lolz: toss up |
| 11:43.26 | enouf | ootput: i think apttitude-fu showed you how? |
| 11:43.28 | liable | enouf: its kinda confusing to explain |
| 11:43.30 | cast | ootput: try aptitude -s -R install |
| 11:43.42 | cast | ootput: that'll...tell you something :o |
| 11:43.43 | ootput | enouf: nope |
| 11:43.44 | enouf | ootput: the aptitude-fu factoid |
| 11:43.46 | drv | lolz: KDE4.1 experimental seems to be a little faster than gnome. But it's usability currently is unusable :) |
| 11:43.49 | enouf | ok |
| 11:43.54 | themill | dpkg: wmaster0 is an internal interface that is created by mac80211-based wireless drivers to represent the physical card, where as wlan0 is the network interface. Wmaster0 is *not* the interface that you should configure. See http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211#Themasterdevicewmaster0 |
| 11:43.54 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 11:43.56 | enouf | liable: ok - thank you |
| 11:44.01 | E-bola | thanks |
| 11:44.17 | enouf | themill: nice work ;-) |
| 11:44.28 | ootput | enouf: the factoid presents a way to list uninstalled packages |
| 11:44.29 | themill | :) |
| 11:44.43 | enouf | ootput: keep looking for something similar in man aptitude |
| 11:45.03 | waspius | berzerka: thank you |
| 11:45.04 | liable | enouf: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/MultipleInterfaces |
| 11:45.05 | themill | ootput: combine that knowledge with an aptitude-doc-?? package then.... |
| 11:45.19 | lolz | someone there for answer me pls |
| 11:45.45 | enouf | ootput: maybe aptitude ~Precommends~i ? |
| 11:45.50 | themill | lolz: unlikely to be much difference. Try it and find out. |
| 11:45.57 | enouf | liable: got it, thanks |
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| 11:46.39 | waspius | wols: so after installing smartmontools how do i run them? |
| 11:47.16 | JinLing | Hello.I just made $ netstat -a and it shows this: udp 0 0 *:passwd_server *:* , what does it mean? |
| 11:47.18 | vlt | Hello. I just installed a minimal Debian Etch via `debootstrap`. What do I need to set my keyboard to German layout? |
| 11:47.50 | wols | an smartctl |
| 11:47.51 | wols | Man |
| 11:48.21 | enouf | ootput: if you play with whats' in the aptitude factoid --> aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i <-- see how i just dropped the last piece? the !~i |
| 11:48.29 | enouf | gah |
| 11:48.40 | enouf | but learn whatever the R and B mean :-P |
| 11:48.58 | enouf | removed and something? |
| 11:49.09 | ootput | blocked |
| 11:49.22 | enouf | ootput: there's a pkg called aptitude-doc-en |
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| 11:49.35 | enouf | ootput: also look in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/* |
| 11:49.58 | rvsjoen | if I set up ssh port forwarding from localhost:1234 to lets say slashdot.org:80 via a shell, and access http://localhost:1234 with my browser the traffic should go through the tunnel to the shell and then to slashdot |
| 11:50.05 | rvsjoen | I am also able to access the slashdot page through localhost:1234, but the moment I close outgoing port 80 it stops working |
| 11:50.12 | JinLing | vlt, # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg set keyboard to "de" without the "" |
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| 11:50.48 | rvsjoen | dont understand why as I am not using the local 80 port, but going through the 1234 port to the remote shell |
| 11:50.57 | wols | rvsjoen: of course then ssh can't connect to /. anymore |
| 11:51.13 | ootput | rvsjoen: i thought tunneling was from a local random port to, say, port 80 on a remote shell |
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| 11:51.38 | ootput | for firewall-bypass purposes |
| 11:51.39 | wols | rvsjoen: cause your browser doesn't use the ssh for all the images, CSS; etc |
| 11:51.50 | wols | rvsjoen: use a proxy instead |
| 11:52.06 | rvsjoen | the 2nd "picture" scenario here is what im after http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html |
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| 11:52.36 | themill | rvsjoen: notice how "sshdserver" isn't localhost though... |
| 11:52.37 | wols | rvsjoen: proxies |
| 11:52.52 | JinLing | Hello.I just entered $ netstat -a and it shows this: udp 0 0 *:passwd_server *:* , what does it mean? |
| 11:53.26 | rvsjoen | themill: mine's not either |
| 11:53.41 | wols | JinLing: it means something listens on that port. for what portnumber it is, see /etc/securetty |
| 11:53.43 | wols | JinLing: it means something listens on that port. for what portnumber it is, see /etc/services |
| 11:53.59 | themill | JinLing: use netstat -plun to get the process id and name as well |
| 11:54.13 | pozic | wols: doesn't the browser use whatever address is stated by the person that created the webpage? |
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| 11:54.57 | vlt | JinLing: I do not have installed xserver-xorg. |
| 11:55.11 | rvsjoen | I would think the browser tries to get the images from the same socket as the initial request |
| 11:55.12 | themill | rvsjoen: any reference to an external server such as "static.slashdot.org" won't go through the tunnel though. That will break things for you. |
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| 11:55.30 | rvsjoen | yes, the port 80 thing is just for testing that the tunnel behaves |
| 11:55.39 | wols | pozic: for the additional files yes, as I said |
| 11:55.44 | themill | rvsjoen: in fact any absolute URL rather than a relative URL will be broken |
| 11:55.50 | rvsjoen | im tunneling another application but its easier to test without setting it up |
| 11:55.57 | waspius | wols: this is what i get when i run fsck http://pastebin.ca/1058959 |
| 11:56.05 | wols | pozic: but it depends how it's coded, could use relative addressing, then the localhost:1234 would still work |
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| 11:56.19 | wols | waspius: so? did I ask you to run fsck and tell me the results? |
| 11:56.23 | themill | rvsjoen: use wget or GET or curl or even telnet then rather than your browser. |
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| 11:57.01 | waspius | wols: no..but you recomended smartmontools..so i was wondering whether you could tell me what i need to do |
| 11:57.31 | rvsjoen | heh, nice one. wget gets the connect even if the port is closed ubt then im redirected (which shouldnt work) |
| 11:57.35 | wols | I already told you: run smartmontools |
| 11:57.36 | rvsjoen | then it works, thanks |
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| 11:59.30 | vlt | Hello. How can I change the kezboard lazout on the shell? |
| 11:59.32 | inkvizitor68s | i did it ^^ |
| 11:59.33 | themill | rvsjoen: or a redirect... yeah, that'll do it to you as well... |
| 11:59.42 | wols | vlt: loadkeys |
| 11:59.42 | enouf | !keymap |
| 11:59.43 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 11:59.45 | inkvizitor68s | where touchpad options? |
| 11:59.57 | wols | inkvizitor68s: xorg.conf |
| 11:59.59 | JinLing | vlt, maybe you'll find something in the kbd package |
| 12:00.11 | inkvizitor68s | не каÑиÑ) |
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| 12:00.22 | rvsjoen | ill use wget for testing from now on :0 |
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| 12:00.30 | inkvizitor68s | i forgot where it) |
| 12:00.31 | enouf | vjt: i only know of setxkbmap , but man loadkeys |
| 12:00.43 | JinLing | vlt, http://packages.debian.org/de/etch/kbd |
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| 12:01.16 | quickscript | i have a very old Pentium 133 Mhz laptop running debian etch kernel deb 2.6.22-4 and a prism2 chipset pcmcia card which works ok with the hostap drivers included in the kernel |
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| 12:04.19 | quickscript | i want to convert this old laptop into a soemthing that is a wireless client and an AP at the same time. however, i googled for an *uptodate* newbie friendly tutorial but found none. help, please! |
| 12:05.07 | JinLing | quickscript, have you also allready asked in #wireless ? |
| 12:05.13 | JinLing | too |
| 12:05.46 | zxxd | dutchfish, sorry i was away! , so does having libc6-xen in addition to standard libc6 package hurt performance you said it is missing a few functions , i think i need these libs in case i do a chroot from a dom0 xen machine because then it will load these libs .. |
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| 12:05.56 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 12:06.07 | zxxd | yea i see :( |
| 12:06.49 | quickscript | <JinLing> i am about to. thanks |
| 12:08.15 | JinLing | quickscript, yw |
| 12:08.52 | quickscript | sorry? |
| 12:09.15 | quickscript | ah! you said , you are welcome |
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| 12:11.24 | JinLing | vlt, maybe this will help dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 12:11.39 | ootput | cast: sorry mate, but I can't find those options in the aptitude man page |
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| 12:12.45 | ootput | is it normal to have a bit of a refresh lag with unicode fonts as opposed to say iso8859 fonts? |
| 12:12.54 | JinLing | vlt, please let me know if so... |
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| 12:14.52 | enouf | JinLing: run it yourself, it's safe .. when i did it |
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| 12:15.14 | JinLing | :D |
| 12:16.23 | JinLing | enouf, does it work to set the language, found it here : http://www.lornajane.net/posts/2008/Debian-Change-Keyboard-Layout |
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| 12:17.20 | enouf | it did nothing on mine when ran in X |
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| 12:18.05 | enouf | JinLing: it's in the !keymap factoid i triggered earlier .. do /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 12:18.26 | berzerka | the kernel-package mantra make's a complete rebuilt each time. is there a way to only update the VERSION timestamp in debian/rules, and not call make-kpkg clean? |
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| 12:20.21 | zxxd | can ps show me which libraries a process is currently using? |
| 12:20.30 | themill | zxxd: lsod |
| 12:20.32 | themill | gah |
| 12:20.34 | themill | lsof |
| 12:20.40 | DawnLight | people will run debian as their desktop and pay me! muahahahaha! |
| 12:20.59 | DawnLight | monkeys around |
| 12:21.51 | zxxd | i see bash is using the libraries from the libc6-xen package , even though i am not running a xen kernel , why is this? |
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| 12:24.04 | zxxd | the libraries are loaded into memory right ? wont cause any damage if i remove them will it? |
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| 12:24.44 | inkvizitor68s | who have xorg.conf propertly configured for synaptic touchpad ? |
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| 12:26.10 | themill | inkvizitor68s: assume that someone is (or that we all are) and ask your real question... |
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| 12:26.20 | themill | !ask |
| 12:26.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:26.58 | inkvizitor68s | i need to configure synaptic touchpad.... with slide bar and double-touch... |
| 12:27.05 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 12:27.05 | dpkg | synaptics is probably a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 12:27.30 | themill | inkvizitor68s: the synaptics driver does them both automatically |
| 12:27.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:27.58 | zxxd | is /lib/tls deprecated ? |
| 12:27.58 | inkvizitor68s | i killed default options) |
| 12:28.06 | zxxd | /lib/tls = Linux threads right? |
| 12:28.12 | tarzeau | zxxd: no |
| 12:28.18 | abrotman | !tls |
| 12:28.18 | dpkg | tls is, like, Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
| 12:28.40 | zxxd | tarzeau, i was told threads are now in the kernel itself |
| 12:28.43 | abrotman | fail ... |
| 12:28.45 | tarzeau | zxxd: do you use the nvidia binary drivers? |
| 12:28.55 | zxxd | tarzeau, no |
| 12:28.59 | zxxd | tarzeau, why they need it? |
| 12:29.00 | tarzeau | zxxd: what do you really want to know? |
| 12:29.35 | zxxd | tarzeau, i want to know if there is harm having libc6-xen installed on a machine which isn't running xen kernel |
| 12:30.23 | zxxd | oh never mind |
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| 12:30.43 | zxxd | i run a 64bit dom0 now and it dosen't seem to complain anymore when i chroot the debian image |
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| 12:31.01 | JinLing | vlt, did you find what you are looking for ? |
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| 12:32.11 | leddson | hi. i newbie. i have debian etch 4.0 r0. i will install gnome intclock. but apt-get install intclock show no package intclock. can help me? |
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| 12:32.28 | abrotman | leddson: apt-cache search intclock |
| 12:32.36 | rvsjoen | anyone wouldnt happen to know which packages include the socket(2) documentation ? |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
| 12:32.50 | rvsjoen | thansk |
| 12:33.05 | leddson | abrotman: no output. means intclock not in sources |
| 12:33.16 | abrotman | or your search is bad |
| 12:33.25 | Skratz0r | ~_~ |
| 12:33.25 | apt | STOP DOING THAT! |
| 12:33.31 | abrotman | yeah .. loser |
| 12:33.31 | Skratz0r | Whom |
| 12:33.35 | leddson | i think must add something to sources. abrotman my search is correct |
| 12:33.42 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 12:33.47 | abrotman | i don't have it in lenny either |
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| 12:33.58 | Skratz0r | "STOP DOING THAT!" <-- Who to? |
| 12:33.58 | leddson | abrotman: you not have intclock in lenny? |
| 12:33.59 | abrotman | leddson: try searching at packages.debian.org |
| 12:34.08 | tarzeau | !nickometer Skratz0r |
| 12:34.10 | dpkg | 'Skratz0r' is 97.280% lame, tarzeau |
| 12:34.24 | Skratz0r | !nickometer tarzeau |
| 12:34.25 | dpkg | 'tarzeau' is 0.000% lame, skratz0r |
| 12:34.26 | themill | Skratz0r: to you |
| 12:34.31 | abrotman | Skratz0r: YOU .. stop writing stupid characters in IRC .. it's not cool .. it's not interesting .. we all think you're a sad little kid |
| 12:34.40 | OpenTokix | !nickometer OpenTokix |
| 12:34.42 | dpkg | 'OpenTokix' is 0.000% lame, opentokix |
| 12:34.43 | Skratz0r | What "stupid characters"? |
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| 12:34.46 | OpenTokix | alrite! |
| 12:34.54 | tarzeau | OpenTokix: try nickmeter ;) |
| 12:35.00 | abrotman | Skratz0r: wtf do you think ~_~ is ? |
| 12:35.11 | OpenTokix | !nickmeter OpenTokix |
| 12:35.12 | dpkg | OpenTokix is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
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| 12:35.16 | abrotman | stop with the bot |
| 12:35.17 | OpenTokix | tarzeau: hihi |
| 12:35.31 | jerome | hi there. I'm trying to get suspend to ram working on a hp compaq nc2400 lappy. s2disk works just fine, but resume from s2ram leaves me with a dead lappy (pressing capslock doesn't have any effect, which seems bad.) Any idea what could be the low level bottleneck ? |
| 12:35.36 | OpenTokix | abrotman: does it fill up the sd-card on you toaster you are irc:ing from? |
| 12:35.36 | leddson | package search results: your search gave no results |
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| 12:35.54 | abrotman | leddson: do you even have a home page for this pacakge? |
| 12:36.03 | themill | leddson: what is this intclock thing you're looking for? |
| 12:36.11 | leddson | themill: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/intclock |
| 12:37.06 | leddson | abrotman: please see http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php/intclock |
| 12:37.21 | abrotman | i can see |
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| 12:37.45 | abrotman | i don't see it anywhere in debian |
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| 12:37.55 | themill | leddson: it's only a perl script. just install it yourself |
| 12:38.24 | abrotman | doesn't it use gtk ? |
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| 12:38.36 | leddson | themill: i not expert in linux. |
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| 12:39.15 | themill | abrotman: yeah, but through libgtk2-perl |
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| 12:39.22 | abrotman | ah |
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| 12:40.03 | enouf | abrotman: sunday - heh .. where even the dumbassess need an edumacation :-p |
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| 12:40.59 | themill | surely the built-in gnome clock can do all this already... |
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| 12:43.46 | leddson | themill: i not see. i make like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=intlclock.png |
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| 12:44.06 | leddson | can do with debian clock? |
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| 12:44.41 | themill | Certainly can in kde... no idea about gnome though |
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| 12:45.07 | leddson | themill: in kdes, what program use? |
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| 12:46.36 | abrotman | leddson: apt-cache search world clock .. i'm sure there are other apps |
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| 12:46.56 | leddson | abrotman: thank you. but search alreday, no find |
| 12:47.15 | leddson | intclock beautiful like no finds |
| 12:47.16 | abrotman | oh come on . i've used them in debian |
| 12:47.25 | leddson | abrotman: then you say name, i try |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | !info gworldclock etch |
| 12:48.12 | abrotman | !info sunclock etch |
| 12:48.22 | dpkg | gworldclock: (Displays time and date in specified time zones), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.4.4-6 (etch), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
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| 12:48.32 | leddson | gworldclock only text |
| 12:48.41 | leddson | you see picture intclock, put map very pretty |
| 12:48.45 | abrotman | then why does it start with a 'g' ? |
| 12:48.57 | leddson | it g but only show text |
| 12:49.04 | leddson | i try before, you got try not? |
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| 12:49.24 | abrotman | i've used sunclock |
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| 12:50.50 | enouf | send a nice wishlist bug to gnome devs (gnome team)? |
| 12:50.55 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 12:50.55 | dpkg | methinks rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 12:52.02 | enouf | that gnomefiles site ain't a bad little site for newbs for general popular app info |
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| 12:52.35 | enouf | atleast their html code doesn't suck ass |
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| 12:56.00 | fireba11 | hi, i need to restore a software raid5. naturally the boot HD is gone, so i'm wondering how to reconstruct it as painless as possible. |
| 12:56.05 | leddson | thank you, bye bye |
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| 13:00.13 | toad_ | anyone help with mythweb? i've put Order allow,deny Allow from 127.0.0.1/8 Allow from 192.168.1.7/24 ... in /etc/mythtv/mythweb-htaccess and /etc/mythtv/mythweb.conf ... and it still accepts connections from the open web. what's wrong? |
| 13:00.57 | NoxIn | toad_: add a Deny all after the Allow rule |
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| 13:01.48 | Nyle | good morning |
| 13:01.59 | NoxIn | good afternoon |
| 13:02.45 | Nyle | I'm dizzy |
| 13:02.59 | NoxIn | toad_ : Deny from all I mean , not Deny all |
| 13:03.18 | toad_ | yeah i just found that out :) |
| 13:03.27 | toad_ | is there any way to get apache to show 404 rather than Forbidden? |
| 13:03.33 | toad_ | for stuff that isn't found? |
| 13:03.38 | toad_ | i mean for stuff that is denied? |
| 13:04.15 | Thrasymach0s | I am having trouble installing lyx on Debian (dependency/config problems) can someone take a look: http://pastebin.com/m354ba5e6 |
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| 13:04.47 | KammyDoe | toad |
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| 13:04.58 | KammyDoe | Just make the 403 error in the httpd.conf point to the 404.html file |
| 13:05.05 | NoxIn | toad_ errrr.... I'am not sure you can change the return code ... but you can customise the webpage given by the server and put any message you wan't in it |
| 13:05.12 | KammyDoe | I do that, too. Puts people off the scent and that.. |
| 13:05.14 | rwaite | KammyDoe: the server will still respond with a 403 |
| 13:05.20 | KammyDoe | Sigh |
| 13:05.20 | toad_ | :| |
| 13:05.21 | rwaite | in the headers |
| 13:05.22 | toad_ | ah well |
| 13:05.26 | NoxIn | toad_: ErrorDocument 403 path_to_file |
| 13:05.26 | KammyDoe | But it can be made to display a 404 page |
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| 13:05.55 | rwaite | true, but just so he knows, it will still be an indication |
| 13:06.13 | toad_ | won't bother for now |
| 13:06.15 | toad_ | thanks folks |
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| 13:06.38 | KammyDoe | Not many go to the trouble of inspecting every 404 page's headers to see whether they're being fooled or not. |
| 13:06.46 | KammyDoe | through* the trouble |
| 13:06.50 | rwaite | but who is it that we're trying to fool? |
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| 13:06.57 | KammyDoe | shrugs |
| 13:07.03 | toad_ | hmmm now it's not allowing even from localhost |
| 13:07.05 | KammyDoe | Whoever looks at a 403 page... |
| 13:07.13 | KammyDoe | toad_; did you not set deny from all? |
| 13:07.25 | KammyDoe | Noticing the from _all_? |
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| 13:07.40 | toad_ | Order allow, deny Allow from 127.0.0.1/8 Allow from 192.168.1.7/24 Deny from all |
| 13:07.44 | toad_ | isn't that right? |
| 13:07.53 | NoxIn | toad_ check if you have a message in the error log ... Am not sure you can have multiple Allow lines, but you can have one line with multiple adresses |
| 13:08.08 | KammyDoe | Deny from all and allow 127.0.0.1 I think |
| 13:08.09 | NoxIn | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.17 | KammyDoe | I don't know the syntax though |
| 13:08.34 | toad_ | client denied by server config... |
| 13:08.49 | toad_ | are the netmasks valid? |
| 13:09.49 | NoxIn | they look valid, 192.168.1.7/24 should autorize any host in the 192.168.1.* network |
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| 13:10.34 | toad_ | ah |
| 13:10.41 | toad_ | i want Order Deny, Allow |
| 13:11.00 | NoxIn | I just compared to my server, I have : Order deny,allow \n Deny from all \n Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ... |
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| 13:11.36 | toad_ | gaaaah |
| 13:11.36 | ArthurArchnix | Hello again.. my new testing install is up and running... but I'm having trouble getting x to start because I'm making things as lean as possible. Thus, I didn't install X by using the meta-package xorg ... I've been pulling in components one at a time, reading the error logs, adding another component and so on. |
| 13:11.40 | toad_ | now it's accepting from everywhere! |
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| 13:12.16 | Nyle | ArthurArchnix, go on |
| 13:12.55 | ArthurArchnix | It's failing to start, but not really giving me any useful info now. It's just saying "fatal server error" could not open default font 'fixed'. It's finding fonts ok, earlier in the process. I've installed the misc and 100 and scalable... so I've got them there and in the right spot. I've also installed xttfcidconf... |
| 13:13.05 | wols | !fixed |
| 13:13.06 | dpkg | i heard fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 13:13.06 | Nyle | !fixed |
| 13:13.14 | Nyle | hey mornin wols |
| 13:13.16 | Nyle | sup |
| 13:13.20 | wols | rien |
| 13:13.28 | Nyle | whats that mean? |
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| 13:13.31 | Nyle | german for hello? |
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| 13:13.43 | wols | ArthurArchnix: what do you hope to save with your...not so bright way to install X? |
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| 13:13.51 | wols | french |
| 13:13.53 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 13:13.56 | Nyle | space? |
| 13:14.02 | Nyle | he wants to make a lean system |
| 13:14.07 | wols | those few kB? |
| 13:14.11 | Nyle | (dsl guys would know how to do this) |
| 13:14.14 | wols | at most some videodrivers |
| 13:14.16 | ArthurArchnix | moh ok. I read about xfonts base, but its description made it seem like it was just a low resolution option... I thought the better fonts I'd put in there would be sufficient. I'll give that a try though. |
| 13:14.17 | Nyle | ask the people of damn small linux maybe |
| 13:14.25 | Nyle | they know how they crammed x in 50mb |
| 13:14.28 | toad_ | okay, you need Order deny, allow, THEN the deny, THEN the allow |
| 13:14.29 | Nyle | plus other shit |
| 13:14.29 | ArthurArchnix | wols: neurons. |
| 13:14.31 | toad_ | now it works |
| 13:14.39 | abrotman | ArthurArchnix: save yourself time .. use the xorg package |
| 13:14.42 | abrotman | it's there for a reason |
| 13:15.03 | Nyle | what about x-window-system-core? |
| 13:15.12 | jelly | !install x |
| 13:15.13 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 13:15.18 | toad_ | no... then it allows from everywhere |
| 13:15.19 | toad_ | WTF? |
| 13:15.20 | Nyle | hm it doesn't exist anymore? |
| 13:15.29 | abrotman | it's not really useful anymore |
| 13:15.30 | toad_ | wonders if this is not in fact an apache problem? |
| 13:15.45 | Nyle | abrotman, I also use xorg meta |
| 13:15.54 | Nyle | just wondering, I haven't been on anything but sid in a long time |
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| 13:16.18 | ArthurArchnix | Well, this is just a testing system. I've got a standard lenny install on another partition. But I figured, why not mess around a bit and see what's possible. Learn a bit along the way. Maybe end up making my real system run a little better. |
| 13:16.35 | toad_ | ah |
| 13:16.38 | toad_ | firewall issue |
| 13:16.44 | Nyle | ArthurArchnix, if you want minimal X implementation you should talk to the Damn Small Linux people |
| 13:16.49 | ArthurArchnix | Lovely... xfontsbase was all that was needed. |
| 13:17.03 | toad_ | it IS blocked from outside, but if i access http://<my external ip>/mythweb/ then it allows it because the source address is internal |
| 13:17.04 | toad_ | doh |
| 13:17.12 | toad_ | sorry for the noise, thanks for the help folks |
| 13:17.26 | Nyle | toad_, needs more flies! |
| 13:17.39 | NoxIn | :) |
| 13:17.41 | toad_ | yum yum |
| 13:17.49 | toad_ | will chew on some freenet bugs later :) |
| 13:18.01 | ArthurArchnix | Thanks for the tip from dpkg Nyle. In retrospect, the word base right there in the name of the package should have been a clue as to its importance. |
| 13:18.11 | Nyle | thank wols he won! |
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| 13:18.15 | Nyle | but yer welcome |
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| 13:20.15 | fas3r | how to list mount point ? |
| 13:20.21 | Nyle | mount -l |
| 13:20.25 | Nyle | man mount |
| 13:20.31 | Nyle | cat /etc/mtab |
| 13:20.33 | fas3r | ^^ |
| 13:20.36 | fas3r | thank ;) |
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| 13:21.23 | ArthurArchnix | Merci beaucoup wols... je departe pour faire les autres affaires la plus difficile comme possible. |
| 13:21.37 | enouf | he's german :-p |
| 13:21.50 | ArthurArchnix | moh |
| 13:21.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 13:22.08 | ArthurArchnix | Well, I'm not really french, so it evens out I think. |
| 13:22.11 | Nyle | enouf, mornin grampa! |
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| 13:22.24 | enouf | shakes his cane at Nyle |
| 13:22.49 | fas3r | Nyle: it's possible to list just network mount share ? |
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| 13:23.02 | enouf | smbstatus? |
| 13:23.02 | Thrasymach0s | I'm having trouble installing lyx (dependency/config problems) can some1 take a look: http://pastebin.com/m354ba5e6 |
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| 13:23.16 | Nyle | depends on what kinda mount it is |
| 13:23.19 | enouf | showmount? |
| 13:23.34 | Nyle | smb/nfs? |
| 13:23.48 | Nyle | whats wrong with mount -l? |
| 13:24.00 | enouf | and a grep :-p |
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| 13:24.07 | kasimon` | Hi! What's a good way to monitor logrotate and make sure there are no syntax errors or missing files in it's config? |
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| 13:24.51 | Nyle | check the config files yourself? |
| 13:24.53 | fas3r | other stupid question :) |
| 13:25.24 | joltcan | logrotate -d? |
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| 13:25.50 | kasimon` | but if the config's right it then will rotate |
| 13:26.05 | enouf | there's a logrotate-ng pkg, iinm, not sure what it adds |
| 13:26.16 | Nyle | enouf, apt-cache show |
| 13:26.22 | Nyle | hides |
| 13:26.24 | kasimon` | enouf: not in etch |
| 13:26.35 | enouf | !backports |
| 13:26.36 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 13:26.45 | fas3r | i need to mount network share on //server1/e$/MYSQL Database/Nagios .. how to pass space ? i have test with "//server1/e$/MYSQL Database/Nagios" (double quote) but don't work :s |
| 13:27.12 | enouf | fas3r: escape with a \ |
| 13:27.30 | enouf | fas3r: //server1/e$/MYSQL\ Database/Nagios |
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| 13:27.46 | themill | either should work... I suspect other fuckage elsewhere |
| 13:27.55 | kasimon` | enouf: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=logrotate lists only logrotate |
| 13:27.57 | cahoot | $ is valid? |
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| 13:28.12 | enouf | you might need both " " and a \ .. who knows :-p |
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| 13:28.28 | hellues | i have to problems about debian |
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| 13:28.34 | enouf | cahoot: i know that's a way mpoop marks it's shares |
| 13:28.34 | hellues | first is about nautilus |
| 13:28.37 | fas3r | this "//server1/e$" work but not "//server1/e$/MYSQL\ Database/Nagios" |
| 13:28.38 | reklipz | !tell fglrx one-liner |
| 13:28.43 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/8752/ how can i fix thart |
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| 13:28.59 | fas3r | "9080: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)" |
| 13:29.02 | themill | fas3r: ah.... you can only mount a share, not a folder within a share |
| 13:29.07 | enouf | fas3r: are you talking about in /etc/fstab? |
| 13:29.25 | fas3r | enouf: no i mount it manually |
| 13:29.28 | enouf | fas3r: use \040 or whatever the hex (or octal) is |
| 13:29.32 | enouf | oh |
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| 13:29.58 | enouf | fas3r: themill is correct |
| 13:30.34 | enouf | i don't know how or where i learned that, nor if it was really true (thought it was an mpoop thing) |
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| 13:31.27 | fireba11 | any tips on reconstructing a raid5 ? is it best to install grub so i can boot and then reconstruct the array ? |
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| 13:31.53 | petemc | quotes work fine for mounting shares with spaces in the name for me |
| 13:31.58 | enouf | fireba11: you read files in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* ? |
| 13:32.13 | enouf | fireba11: zless any .gz ones if you want |
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| 13:32.28 | rvsjoen | hmm.. im trying to install acrobat reader using the .deb packacge, but it just fails while processing. any idea where to start troubleshooting ? |
| 13:32.43 | themill | rvsjoen: use the package from debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:32.49 | enouf | i didn't even see his orig double quotes comment at 1st - selective reading :-p |
| 13:32.59 | CoolCold | hello |
| 13:33.04 | petemc | //10.0.19.233/all data on /mnt/alldata type cifs (ro,mand) |
| 13:33.15 | CoolCold | i'm still f..ing with aic 9410 |
| 13:33.27 | wols | rvsjoen: in the output you get |
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| 13:33.42 | themill | petemc: but it's not just //server/share it's //server/share/file/path/to/something that he's trying to mount |
| 13:33.46 | enouf | rvsjoen: acroread? |
| 13:33.51 | wols | CoolCold: don't hurt yourself at the solder points |
| 13:33.52 | rvsjoen | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <-- not really helpful |
| 13:34.04 | petemc | themill: i dont see how thats relevant |
| 13:34.06 | wols | rvsjoen: pastebin the full output |
| 13:34.07 | themill | rvsjoen: the real error is before that |
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| 13:34.09 | rvsjoen | enouf : yes |
| 13:34.10 | hellues | thy serpent the carpenter |
| 13:34.16 | CoolCold | i'm trying to understand, where is sources.list or smth like this in netboot image? |
| 13:34.19 | enouf | rvsjoen: pastebin |
| 13:34.27 | enouf | uh |
| 13:34.38 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/8752/ |
| 13:34.40 | rvsjoen | http://dpaste.com/59936/ |
| 13:34.44 | rvsjoen | thats the whole output |
| 13:34.46 | wols | CoolCold: sources.list is created in the course of install |
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| 13:34.52 | themill | petemc: aiui, cifs doesn't allow you to mount //server/share/file/path/to/something, only //server/share |
| 13:34.55 | CoolCold | wols: hmm |
| 13:34.56 | jelly | http://pastebin.jelly/icann-rules |
| 13:34.57 | petemc | themill: you mount the mount point, i dont see where the full path to a file with that |
| 13:35.01 | petemc | yes! |
| 13:35.03 | rvsjoen | i'll try the debian-multimedia archive |
| 13:35.06 | Nyle | strangely enough |
| 13:35.10 | enouf | hellues: tell us something about it |
| 13:35.14 | wols | rvsjoen: postinst script |
| 13:35.16 | Nyle | if you isntall from CD you don't get http sources generated |
| 13:35.25 | CoolCold | when last time i tryed to setup debian with backported images, i've seen firmware in /lib |
| 13:35.26 | Nyle | that is, unless you chose a lower debconf priority |
| 13:35.31 | Nyle | which I think is fucked up beyond belief |
| 13:35.37 | CoolCold | but when i look in netboot image i don't see it |
| 13:35.49 | CoolCold | i guess it was downloaded from somewhere.. |
| 13:35.59 | CoolCold | but can't find where from |
| 13:36.06 | wols | CoolCold: depends on the firmware |
| 13:36.17 | themill | petemc: "mount what /where" where "what" is defined by the fs driver. In the same way as you can't "mount /dev/sda1/my/dir /media/foo" I don't believe you can "mount //server/share/some/path /media/foo" |
| 13:36.24 | wols | CoolCold: and the instaler never downloads proprietary firmware |
| 13:36.39 | Nyle | even if you install from CD, the d-i should be intelligent enough to find out if you have a network/internet connection and if so, scan and add remote respositories |
| 13:36.45 | enouf | Nyle: hrm, i'm pretty sure kernel.org recommends using http if one has it - easier to track amount of traffic? |
| 13:36.50 | petemc | themill: right, nor do i - should someone let fas3r know that? |
| 13:36.58 | enouf | or .. do i have that backwards |
| 13:37.01 | Nyle | what? |
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| 13:37.08 | Nyle | doesn't matter. Do you get my point? |
| 13:37.11 | themill | petemc: well... I thought I had... but will make sure :) |
| 13:37.15 | petemc | :) |
| 13:37.24 | Nyle | hey pete |
| 13:37.45 | enouf | Nyle: you mean, just no http? but ftp? or none non-local? |
| 13:37.47 | fas3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.47 | CoolCold | wols: i guess the hardware was included with modules or smth like this |
| 13:37.57 | CoolCold | firmware |
| 13:38.01 | CoolCold | not hardware of cuz ;) |
| 13:38.04 | Nyle | On a default cd install of etch, the d-i will not offer to scan/add http/ftp (remote) repository mirrors |
| 13:38.09 | wols | CoolCold: you trying to install lenny? |
| 13:38.15 | Nyle | and the only entry in sources.list is for CDROM |
| 13:38.16 | themill | fas3r: the basic mount command is "mount what /where" where "what" is defined by the fs driver. In the same way as you can't "mount /dev/sda1/my/dir /media/foo" I don't believe you can "mount //server/share/some/path /media/foo" which is what you're currently trying to do. |
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| 13:38.31 | Nyle | unless you pick a debconf priority lower than defualt |
| 13:38.57 | fas3r | themill: it's on windows server 2003 share i need to specify the username |
| 13:39.03 | enouf | Nyle: ouch |
| 13:39.04 | fas3r | and the fs |
| 13:39.09 | Nyle | this happened to me on a DVD recently for etch |
| 13:39.13 | themill | fas3r: that's not the problem. |
| 13:39.23 | Nyle | so its no problem, I know how to fix it, but its weird |
| 13:39.28 | enouf | Nyle: you hit Enter? or wrote "install" or "installgui"? |
| 13:39.32 | Nyle | enouf, I could be wrong... |
| 13:39.37 | Nyle | enouf, just regular |
| 13:39.41 | Nyle | hit enter |
| 13:39.46 | themill | fas3r: mount -t smbfs -o username=admin_test "//server1/e$" /mnt <= will work, You can't put anything after e$ though. |
| 13:39.50 | Nyle | usually I change debconf to low but I said fuck it |
| 13:39.51 | enouf | Nyle: ok, i'm guessing expert mode wouldn't |
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| 13:39.58 | Nyle | enouf, no tht provides choices |
| 13:40.05 | Nyle | defautl debconf prioty does not do this |
| 13:40.12 | enouf | i forgot all about any debconf choices in beginning |
| 13:40.12 | CoolCold | wols: nope, etch |
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| 13:40.32 | Nyle | enouf, priotiy=medium/low give an option for adding remote sources even from a CD install |
| 13:40.32 | wols | CoolCold: etch still has some proprietary firmware in the kernel |
| 13:40.40 | wols | from lenny onwards, not anymore |
| 13:40.48 | Nyle | wols, ? |
| 13:40.50 | Nyle | me? |
| 13:40.58 | Nyle | yes this was on etch dvd |
| 13:40.59 | themill | rvsjoen: where's this AdobeReader_enu-8.1.2-1.i386.deb from? |
| 13:41.02 | wols | Nyle: is your nick CoolCold? |
| 13:41.31 | Nyle | 09:39 < wols> from lenny onwards, not anymore |
| 13:41.31 | enouf | Nyle: well, that certainly is a boot option or config file preseed or whatever .. how many people are messing with those? :-P |
| 13:41.31 | CoolCold | wols: and what lenny users should do? how install debian? |
| 13:41.50 | wols | they might have to create a custom kernel |
| 13:41.52 | Nyle | enouf, default behaviour imo should be to install http mirrors for debian or at least evne offer to, even on default priority |
| 13:41.59 | wols | debian is bound by the DFSG. no way around it |
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| 13:42.03 | Nyle | enouf, that is on a cdrom install, in a netinst of course it does |
| 13:42.06 | wols | binary blobs are not DFSG |
| 13:42.12 | CoolCold | i c |
| 13:42.13 | Nyle | enouf, I'm talking about a CDROM/dvd install alone |
| 13:42.33 | enouf | Nyle: check this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398455 2nd post |
| 13:42.54 | hramrach | Hello |
| 13:42.55 | enouf | Nyle: both posts are from me, but it's old stuff - before Etch was ever released |
| 13:43.19 | enouf | Nyle: i did that install specifically to test the DVD for someone whom asked |
| 13:43.31 | hramrach | How come that file with #!/usr/bin/ruby -KU -w -Ilib |
| 13:43.44 | Nyle | hmm |
| 13:43.48 | Nyle | I'll try to test again |
| 13:43.53 | Nyle | but I know I haven't been stoned in a long time |
| 13:43.56 | hramrach | does not work but /usr/bin/ruby -KU -w -Ilib file.rb |
| 13:44.01 | hramrach | does? |
| 13:44.09 | Nyle | I think its either a bug or buggy behaviour |
| 13:44.19 | Nyle | something |
| 13:44.31 | hramrach | Shouldn't wahtever execs the file pass the arguments as they appear on that line? |
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| 13:45.16 | hellues | http://paste.debian.net/8752/ |
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| 13:46.34 | hramrach | I tried to strace the program but I did not see the arguments anywhere, only the error that the arguments are wrong. |
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| 13:47.44 | DynV | I'm on etch and was wondering how I could update the single program CVS ? |
| 13:48.08 | petemc | hramrach: you could try #!/usr/bin/env ruby -KU -w -Ilib |
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| 13:49.44 | enouf | hellues: please stop posting a pastebin url without an explanation (atleast make an effort) .. nobody likes cold paste |
| 13:50.13 | cheshair | DynV: # apt-get install cvs |
| 13:50.13 | Nyle | /home/hellues/music/arch-enemy/ |
| 13:50.32 | Nyle | anything but Wages of Sin faggotry |
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| 13:50.34 | Nyle | . |
| 13:50.43 | enouf | kasimon`: you could make your own backport - does the -ng seem to give you what you want? |
| 13:50.54 | hellues | i saiid my probblem |
| 13:51.00 | hellues | noone doesnt care |
| 13:51.01 | DynV | cheshair: it's already install but I have trouble, perhaps is there a more recent version for newer debians |
| 13:51.18 | cheshair | DynV: let me see |
| 13:51.23 | enouf | kasimon`: or .. missing from the regular one? also check BTS for any possible bugs with the -ng .. install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 13:51.44 | enouf | !customer |
| 13:51.45 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 13:52.05 | cheshair | DynV: first of all: even if it is already installed, "apt-get install" will bring it to the latest version available for etch |
| 13:52.38 | enouf | kasimon`: oh, you mean -ng is not even in debian? sorry then, my bad |
| 13:52.44 | cheshair | DynV: otherwise, if you want some lenny or sid package, you have at least two choices: |
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| 13:54.15 | cheshair | DynV: |
| 13:54.15 | cheshair | 1) adding lenny or sid repos in you source-list |
| 13:54.15 | cheshair | 2) using backports.org |
| 13:54.15 | cheshair | the latter being probably recommended |
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| 13:54.28 | DynV | cheshair: ty for the install tip but I did it yesterday ;) |
| 13:55.01 | maligor | trigger happy bot today |
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| 13:55.12 | Zharf | is there some way of absolutely blocking all gcj related packages from the system <.< |
| 13:55.14 | cheshair | sorry guys |
| 13:55.45 | cheshair | i've been kicked for flooding, but it was just a matter of good-looking formatting |
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| 13:56.21 | cheshair | sorry again, i'll be more careful |
| 13:56.25 | fas3r | it's possible to use mysqldump to do incredencial backup ? |
| 13:56.55 | fas3r | incremental* |
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| 13:58.57 | hramrach | petemc: /usr/bin/env: ruby -KU -w -Ilib: No such file or directory |
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| 13:59.32 | DynV | is there a CVS admin ? |
| 13:59.38 | DynV | sorry ! wrong channel |
| 13:59.43 | cast | who uses cvs anymore |
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| 13:59.57 | enouf | !pserver |
| 13:59.58 | Hoxzer | Test my bnc |
| 14:00.05 | Hoxzer | :) works |
| 14:00.19 | alfadir | hi, I have some debian exim problems: have MAILDIR_HOME_MAILDIR_LOCATION and MAILDIR_HOME_CREATE_DIRECTORY = true set, but 13): Permission denied: stat() error for /srv/mail/domain/user/Maildir |
| 14:00.34 | alfadir | what permission should /srv/mail have ? |
| 14:00.49 | alfadir | I use drwxrws--- 4 Debian-exim Debian-exim 4096 2008-06-26 08:39 . now |
| 14:00.49 | Hoxzer | slaps \homer around a bit with a large Nokia 6630 |
| 14:01.05 | Hoxzer | Sry, Homer But I'm new with Irggi :( |
| 14:01.34 | Hoxzer | Damn, I wish it would be possibel to readjust font size in S60 2nd version :( |
| 14:01.48 | hramrach | hmm, so it looks like the damn exec joins the parameters into one |
| 14:01.50 | Hoxzer | -> back to topic |
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| 14:02.29 | hramrach | my test program that prints out the arguments with | in between: |
| 14:02.35 | hramrach | test|-KU -w -Ilib|./test.sh |
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| 14:04.08 | hramrach | is it a libc bug or a kernel bug? |
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| 14:10.14 | abrotman | KammyDoe: what? |
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| 14:15.56 | Dj_Offset | I'm having problems booting kernel 2.6.25-2, but 2.6.24-1 works fine. I'm using sid on x86 and cannot find anything related to it in bugs. Any ideas? |
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| 14:19.21 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: what kind of "problems"? please be more specific! |
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| 14:19.53 | Dj_Offset | berzerka: it's simple really... it just does not boot --- but not really helpfull in a bug report :) |
| 14:20.09 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: sorry i am not able to help you. |
| 14:20.24 | berzerka | (you get a black screen, or what?) |
| 14:21.10 | Dj_Offset | Normally when it is booted via grub/lilo I see a bunch of dots, followed with a "BIOS checksum"... I don't see the BIOS checksum message anywhere, and the machine just appears to hang |
| 14:21.31 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: is it grub or lilo? |
| 14:21.43 | Dj_Offset | lilo |
| 14:21.58 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: okay, so you get a black screen after selecting the kernel image and pressing enter? |
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| 14:22.30 | Dj_Offset | No, I see the message "Loading kernel ......." and nothing happens. |
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| 14:22.51 | DogBoy | oh... |
| 14:22.51 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: try re-runnig lilo if you did not so far |
| 14:23.07 | berzerka | alright. you should have said so initially.. i'm sorry i can't be of further help :/ |
| 14:23.07 | Dj_Offset | hramrach: tried that |
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| 14:23.52 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: does the image checksum match the one in dpkg database? |
| 14:24.15 | Dj_Offset | that was a remarkable good question... now, how do I check that ? |
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| 14:25.47 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: you should have something like /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.25-2-686.md5sums |
| 14:25.54 | Dj_Offset | thanks |
| 14:26.29 | enry | is there a free program for data recovery? |
| 14:26.48 | hramrach | enry: like hexdump ? |
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| 14:26.53 | Dj_Offset | hramrach: all files checks OK. |
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| 14:27.35 | enry | hramrach: no, like to recover deleted data that has not been overwritten yet |
| 14:27.35 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: consider using another bootloader. Lilo should normally load an initrd after linux, right? |
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| 14:27.49 | hramrach | enry: what filesystem? |
| 14:27.55 | enry | hfs+ |
| 14:28.46 | Dj_Offset | hramrach: is lilo unsupported now? Yes, it does load an initrd |
| 14:28.49 | hramrach | enry: I have no idea if that is even possible. But generally OS X stuff tends to be pay for |
| 14:29.19 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: no, but different bootloaders have different bugs |
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| 14:29.52 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: and since the file is readable but lilo cannot read it there is some problem with lilo |
| 14:29.54 | Dj_Offset | hramrach: considering it loads 2.6.24 just fine, I'm happier blaming the kernel... :) |
| 14:30.14 | MolePrince | Howdy, on 2.6.24-1, just did an upgrade earlier and lost xrandr somehow. How might I get it back please or has it been replaced? |
| 14:30.29 | stiv2k | Gah, anyone know how to disable the horizontal scrolling on touchpad completely? The workspace switcher in GNOME is always getting messed up from horiz. scrolling even though it's disabled in the gsynaptic settings |
| 14:31.18 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: you can also experiment with the different options for reading the disk in different ways (like lba, or whatever lilo has) |
| 14:31.22 | stew | stiv2k: i think it is: Option "HorizScrollDelta" "0" |
| 14:31.32 | stew | MolePrince: xrandr hasn't been replaced. which driver are you using? |
| 14:31.50 | MolePrince | stew: intel |
| 14:31.53 | hramrach | MolePrince: what part of xrandr? |
| 14:32.00 | stew | stiv2k: you can also make it a 5 button device instead of a 7 button devoce |
| 14:32.23 | Dj_Offset | hramrach: yeah, i use lba32, and it works for the old kernel -- again, I don't see why lilo should fail in this regard for this particular kernel. |
| 14:32.27 | MolePrince | hramrach: All of it, program can no longer be found. |
| 14:32.34 | stiv2k | stew: 7 buttons?!? I only have 2 buttons on it |
| 14:32.37 | stew | MolePrince: is the xrandr package installed? |
| 14:32.48 | hramrach | MolePrince: did you try apt-get install xrandr |
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| 14:33.07 | stew | stiv2k: horizonal scrolling is button 6 for left and button 7 for right. vertical scrolling is button 4 for up and button 5 for down (typiclaly) |
| 14:33.17 | stew | stiv2k: so you have a 6 button device |
| 14:33.18 | stiv2k | stew: I thought disabling horiz. scrolling in gsynaptics would take care of it though... |
| 14:33.19 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: maybe the kernel got past some baoundary readable by that method. |
| 14:33.29 | stiv2k | stew: I see |
| 14:33.33 | MolePrince | stew: dpkg -l | grep -i xrand returns 'ii librxandr2' |
| 14:34.03 | hramrach | MolePrince: that's the lib but you want the executable apparently |
| 14:34.19 | stew | oh it moved |
| 14:34.27 | stew | MolePrince: x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xrandr |
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| 14:34.36 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: did you rebuild the kernel yourself? |
| 14:34.50 | hramrach | MolePrince: you can use apt-file to search for it (or other programs) |
| 14:34.52 | Dj_Offset | berzerka: no |
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| 14:35.21 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: hm. does the initrd and kernel image referenced by lilo definitely exist under /boot? |
| 14:35.23 | MolePrince | stew: Oh! installing that now. Would have been nice if it installed it when it remove xrandr. |
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| 14:35.49 | Dj_Offset | berzerka: yes, it sure does. |
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| 14:35.52 | MolePrince | Thanks :) |
| 14:36.24 | Dj_Offset | berzerka: besides, lilo would give me an error if it didn't while installing |
| 14:36.32 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: right.. |
| 14:37.07 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: can you read the initrd (like cat /boot/initrd* > /dev/null) ? |
| 14:37.13 | MolePrince | stew: While I'm here, would you happen to guess why xrandr -q shows 1600x1200 as the maximum resolution, but 1440x900 as the highest mode? |
| 14:37.43 | Dj_Offset | hramrach: yes |
| 14:38.14 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: do lilo's logs tell anything? |
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| 14:38.35 | ggg333 | Hi all |
| 14:38.37 | Dj_Offset | berzerka: I'm not aware of any lilo logs. |
| 14:38.39 | hramrach | as if lilo had logs .. |
| 14:38.49 | ggg333 | how can i list the available patches for a debian server |
| 14:38.50 | berzerka | *checks* |
| 14:38.56 | ggg333 | from the cmd line? |
| 14:39.08 | berzerka | hey you are right.. i thought i remembered reading them at some time. sorry for that.. |
| 14:39.16 | jelly | MolePrince: your card could drive 1600x1200 had it capable output, but your currenly connected screens only have 1440x900 physical resolution? |
| 14:39.24 | ggg333 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:39.49 | MolePrince | jelly: Possibly.. it's a 22" LCD though, so I |
| 14:39.50 | hramrach | berzerka: they might be the othput of the lilo command when runned automatically from scripts but nothing new |
| 14:39.58 | MolePrince | er, I'd think it could. |
| 14:40.14 | berzerka | hramrach: ah okay.. |
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| 14:40.35 | jelly | MolePrince: even if it could scale the pixels, it would make little sense |
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| 14:40.46 | zamba | is it possible to set a fallback ip address in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:41.00 | zamba | so if the machine is unable to retrieve an ip address, set it to these values? |
| 14:41.29 | epsilon | can't you give a box static IP instead dhcp? |
| 14:41.34 | MolePrince | jelly: Just checked the manual, it should be able to do 1680x1050@60 |
| 14:41.52 | jelly | MolePrince: iiinteresting. |
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| 14:42.16 | stew | MolePrince: if 1600x1200 is listed, the x server must think it is possible. if your monitor is not capable of it, then monitor detection might be failing, or you are looking at the wrong output (perhaps its talking about vga and you are thinking of lvds) |
| 14:42.20 | jelly | MolePrince: which card, which driver? pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:42.50 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: just try another bootloader (or different lilo configuration). You should be able to install it in the Linux partition and have lilo load it for you |
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| 14:43.16 | jelly | MolePrince: also output of xrandr, and throw in xorg.conf for good measure :-) |
| 14:43.25 | hramrach | Dj_Offset: assuming your current lilo is in the mbr |
| 14:43.35 | MolePrince | jelly: And my cc number and expiry? ;) |
| 14:43.59 | jelly | MolePrince: please be careful not to mistype the name on card. |
| 14:44.47 | berzerka | Dj_Offset: you could try to just dpkg-reconfigure lilo, and run lilo afterwards... |
| 14:44.52 | Dj_Offset | *rebooting* |
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| 14:45.59 | zoddan | hi |
| 14:46.19 | jelly | MolePrince: I've seen free drivers not be able to detect a monitor's modes properly (with an ATI card) |
| 14:46.30 | zoddan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.35 | zoddan | and at the same time i have 100% load on my server |
| 14:46.45 | zoddan | and allot of sessions with the name "dt_ssh" |
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| 14:47.54 | MolePrince | jelly: I just tried editing my xorg actually and restarted X, now it showed 1680x1050@60 in xrandr but when I try to set that mode the screen does this wirling horizontal lines snow soI put it back. |
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| 14:48.25 | jelly | whirly horiz lines ftw! |
| 14:49.56 | MolePrince | jelly: Might I need to allocate more video memory? This is on an intel 915G |
| 14:50.21 | MolePrince | Ever since they changed xorg so you can't just configure display modes in dpkg-reconfigure I've been having a heck of a time. |
| 14:50.32 | Dj_Offset | 2.6.25-6-bigmem does boot, 2.6.25-6 does not. |
| 14:50.38 | jelly | MolePrince: hah, same crappy card I have on me thinkpad! are you running testing or unstable perchance? |
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| 14:51.08 | MolePrince | jelly: lenny/testing |
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| 14:51.34 | DHX | hello |
| 14:52.02 | jelly | MolePrince: in general, using the very latest xserver-xorg-video-intel available seems to help; the driver is advancing rapidly. They fix bugs and introduce new ones! |
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| 14:53.14 | MolePrince | jelly: Just upgraded everything last night.. which is when xrandr disappeared and started this ;) |
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| 14:53.50 | jelly | MolePrince: you could try removing your xorg.conf completely. The autodetection seems to be decent |
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| 14:54.49 | MolePrince | jelly: I'll give it a go. |
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| 14:55.16 | clamiax | hi |
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| 14:56.38 | clamiax | i have problem to setting up an Alcatel Speedtouch on Debian (etch) |
| 14:56.48 | clamiax | when i run modem_run it doesn't print any output and returns |
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| 14:57.06 | clamiax | i installed the eciadsl debian package driver |
| 14:57.19 | clamiax | does anyone can point me to the right place? |
| 14:57.22 | clamiax | THX in advanced |
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| 14:58.30 | MolePrince | jelly: Just tried and it defaulted to the broken 1680x1050 res. Also my mouse touchpad didn' |
| 14:58.36 | clamiax | Uhm.. i'm going to install NetBSD -.- |
| 14:58.38 | MolePrince | t work properly. So I put it back. |
| 14:58.53 | Crypticfortune_ | ok, so i'm trying to backup some data off of a dead box's harddrive, but the data's all in lvm lvs. simply plugging in the drive makes them show up when i type "lvs" but they don't exist in /dev/mapper....how can i mount them? |
| 14:58.55 | DHX | I'd like to install suphp with php5 on a debian sarge. I've read that the suphp package that works with php5 is in the testing and unstable repo. so I've added a line in source.list and created a /etc/apt/preferences indicating that I want to use the lenny package for suphp. then I did an aptitude update, and I get an error telling me that is an error recreating the apt cache. so i guess I'm doing something wrong, but I really don't know what. doe |
| 14:58.55 | DHX | s anyone know what I should do differently ? |
| 14:58.56 | DogBoy | lol |
| 14:59.00 | jelly | MolePrince: perhaps your monitor announces limits that it doesn't really handle well |
| 14:59.05 | DogBoy | oh excuse me, hehe |
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| 14:59.27 | jelly | MolePrince: those logs would be useful |
| 14:59.53 | MolePrince | jelly: Yeah, I'll get those up in a moment. You wanted xorg.conf lspci xrandr -q and? |
| 14:59.57 | clamiax | bye |
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| 15:00.24 | drwahl | i have been having some overheating problems lately on my home file server. is there any way to see any error logs from the previous boot? i want to check at what point the server froze and verify that it was because of tempurature, and maybe even see what apps were running when it died |
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| 15:00.31 | jelly | MolePrince: Xorg.0.log, xorg.conf, xrandr, no need to lspci :-) |
| 15:00.37 | drwahl | is that something i need to script, or is there some tool that will help with that? |
| 15:01.19 | jelly | MolePrince: these are the things #xorg will ask if you go there, so even if we can't help, it won't be pastebinned for maught |
| 15:01.29 | MolePrince | Spiff |
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| 15:03.41 | paet|lap | hello |
| 15:04.42 | MolePrince | !pastebin | MolePrince |
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| 15:05.00 | paet|lap | I installed testing using the netinst iso, and I'm having problems installing the nvidia driver using the instuctions from wiki.debian.org - after installing the module and loading it into the kernel, x wont start, because the "module does not exist" |
| 15:05.01 | aleksanteri | !tell MolePrince about msg the bot |
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| 15:05.34 | Crypticfortune_ | hmmmm still not understanding lvms I think...."vgscan --mknodes" detects the vg on my foreign disk, but doesn't make anything in /dev for me... what am i missing? |
| 15:06.02 | AzteC | what driver is the best on 8600gt, etch, kernel 2.6.18-6 ?) |
| 15:06.49 | nvz | if you want 3d accel there is only one, fglrx |
| 15:06.54 | nvz | best or not |
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| 15:09.20 | AzteC | nvz: its for ATI... |
| 15:09.27 | nvz | duh |
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| 15:09.47 | MolePrince | jelly: http://pastebin.com/f73c61245 |
| 15:09.52 | nvz | maybe you should have been more specific |
| 15:10.04 | nvz | so I didn't have to google and see who the fuck makes the 8600gt |
| 15:10.24 | nvz | I assumed it was an ATI since you didnt say GeForce or nVidia |
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| 15:10.38 | jelly | MolePrince: you have Virtual 1440 900 in xorg.conf. Naughty. |
| 15:10.58 | MolePrince | jelly: How so? |
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| 15:12.09 | AzteC | nvz: what is better for nVidia, nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy? |
| 15:12.47 | nvz | AzteC: an 86xx series is not likely to be a legacy.. tnt2/riva is legacy |
| 15:13.17 | AzteC | nvz: thnx |
| 15:13.33 | jelly | MolePrince: intel driver can't and won't resize Virtual. You have to either not have it, or specify the maximum geometry you plan to use. Eg. if you plan on having a dualhead, 1440x900 laptop LVDS and a 1680x1050 DVI/VGA next to it, specify "Virtual 3120 1050" |
| 15:13.39 | nvz | AzteC: I'd be interested to know how that works out for you, I'd never had much luck with the debianized nvidia approach which is why I still d/l drivers from nvidia's website |
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| 15:14.00 | jelly | MolePrince: note that horizontal > 2048 means bye-bye 3D accel. |
| 15:14.15 | Crypticfortune_ | feels clever (discovers lvchange --available yes) |
| 15:14.33 | nvz | which of course is why I have no working driver on my system as I have switched from a k7 system to a PIII and now my shit doesnt work ;) |
| 15:14.34 | MolePrince | jelly: Weird.. I don't need 3d at least. I just use the larger screen for movies. It's actually an 800x480 laptop though. |
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| 15:14.46 | jelly | MolePrince: comment out that Virtual for starters |
| 15:14.50 | nvz | I'll get around to fixing that eventually I suppose |
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| 15:15.39 | MolePrince | k |
| 15:15.41 | jelly | MolePrince: or make it, say, "Virtual 1680 1530", then you'll be able to place the screens one below the other with xrandr |
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| 15:17.11 | jelly | MolePrince: (also, mplayer with opengl output gives you "free" bilinear interpolation on that card; Xv doesn't have interpolation) |
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| 15:17.47 | jelly | MolePrince: I also use the big screen to watch movies. |
| 15:17.54 | drwahl | i have been having some overheating problems lately on my home file server. is there any way to see any error logs from the previous boot? i want to check at what point the server froze and verify that it was because of tempurature, and maybe even see what apps were running when it died. is there an app for this, or would i have to script something up? |
| 15:17.59 | MolePrince | jelly: I've been using vlc mostly, but I can check mplayer. |
| 15:18.18 | jelly | vlc most likely also has 'gl output |
| 15:18.18 | ladan | hello, i changed the connection type and my ip got changed, i changed my settings in bind files but the domain name still points to old ip after i reload/restart it |
| 15:18.35 | H2S04 | MolePrince: it does as a plugin I believe |
| 15:18.47 | H2S04 | MolePrince: personally mplayer > vlc |
| 15:18.48 | H2S04 | :P |
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| 15:18.58 | H2S04 | on windows VLC is great though. |
| 15:19.47 | jelly | MolePrince: if I were you, I'd add "1680x1050" to the list of modes in xorg.conf, then play with VertRefresh limits and try finding a 1680x1050 mode with a refresh rate that looked nice |
| 15:19.58 | jelly | MolePrince: does your machine have DVI or VGA output? |
| 15:20.03 | MolePrince | jelly: VGA |
| 15:20.50 | jelly | MolePrince: heh. don't expect crystal clear picture. but it shouldn't have nasty artifacts either |
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| 15:21.18 | MolePrince | jelly: How would I choose a vertical refresh rate? |
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| 15:26.14 | jelly | MolePrince: was thinking the old-style way, something like VertRefresh 49-74 inside Section "Monitor" |
| 15:26.43 | jelly | MolePrince: so if 60Hz is fuzzy, try limiting to 61-76 or whatever |
| 15:27.24 | MolePrince | jelly: Ah neat. |
| 15:27.36 | MolePrince | jelly: Hm, mplayer doesn't list intel as an output. |
| 15:27.54 | jelly | MolePrince: no, but it lists gl2 or xv or whatnot |
| 15:28.04 | MolePrince | Ah, yes |
| 15:30.40 | freespace | hi, i am trialling linux on a small pos'esque device with a touchscreen, and am trying to discover how it is connected - is there any mechanism for querying about the detected hardware other than /proc/*, lspci, lsusb and dmesg? |
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| 15:31.17 | wols | !what's my hardware |
| 15:31.18 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 15:31.37 | freespace | cheers |
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| 15:35.38 | antgel_ | how can i start an X app from the shell, without window manager decorations? is it wm-specific? i don't want to set xresources because it's only for one instance of my app. |
| 15:36.11 | stew | antgel_: its wm-specific |
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| 15:36.42 | ladan | any ideea why my domain name points to the old ip address after i changed the address in bind config files and reload/restarted ? |
| 15:36.56 | antgel_ | stew: i see man xterm talks about -toolkitoption - is this what i'm looking for? my wm is wmaker. |
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| 15:41.46 | benjamindees | so I have a scanned TIFF image that looks horrid in GIMP but fine in Evince. any suggestions? |
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| 15:43.21 | Crypticfortune_ | benjamindees: define/upload horrid? |
| 15:44.05 | benjamindees | hmm can't upload but it looks monochrome with dithering at about 1/8 the correct resolution. |
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| 15:44.18 | chops | ladan: Because it's cached in an intermediate nameserver still? Because you didn't change the serial number of the record you're handing out? |
| 15:44.38 | chops | ladan: Try pastebinning the relevant section of the BIND configuration, and also the output of "dig @nameserver hostname" |
| 15:44.45 | themill | benjamindees: any form of resolution reduction is problematic. Different algorithms will do different things to it to try to display it on screen. |
| 15:44.49 | adama | ladan: it's in your /etc/hosts ? |
| 15:45.02 | ladan | chops: serial was changed |
| 15:45.14 | themill | benjamindees: gimp errs on the side of "try to show that there is detail there" while evince errs on the side of "try to make it look smooth and pretty". |
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| 15:46.04 | Crypticfortune_ | benjamindees: hard to understand exactly what's going on there without seeing, but are you sure it's simply not an artifact of the way gimp scales the image to fit it on the screen? (ie: is it still strange when viewed at full resolution?) |
| 15:46.07 | benjamindees | hmm okay zooming to 100% seems to look okay |
| 15:46.13 | Crypticfortune_ | bingo ^^ |
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| 15:47.31 | ladan | chops dig @nameserver shows the correct info. and since it's a working build (only changed ip) it's most likely cached, anyway to flush the dns server ? |
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| 15:48.04 | chops | ladan: There's not a way that I know of to flush the intermediate DNS server |
| 15:48.21 | Crypticfortune_ | benjamindees: that happens a lot with scanned images (especially from things printed using magazine-style dot based printing). i don't know the technical terms, but yup, that happens. |
| 15:48.50 | chops | ladan: The generally recommended way to do this is to reduce the TTL to a few minutes, then wait for all the intermediate DNS servers' caches to expire (generally 24-48 hours), then do the switch, then increase the TTL back to 24-48 hours. |
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| 15:49.16 | chops | ladan: Flushing _your_ intermediate DNS server's cache also won't do much for the rest of the internet if there does turn out to be a way |
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| 15:50.20 | ladan | chops: since my isp is providing for 90% of country and 95% of my traffic is natinal.. it helps :P |
| 15:50.25 | benjamindees | Crypticfortune, themill, thanks that was it; zooming 100% makes it look fine. I had zoomed in a bit and it didn't seem to get better so I couldn't figure out what was up. |
| 15:50.42 | themill | np |
| 15:50.43 | chops | ladan: Heh :-) |
| 15:50.44 | MolePrince | jelly: If I set VertRefresh to begin at anything lower than 60 I get snow on the external, anything above 60 and the max it will display is the 800x480. Also mplayer shows fullscreen as only the size of the 800x480 display and not actually fullscreen :/ |
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| 15:51.47 | ladan | chops: anyway i will call them, since last time i changed the ip it didn't reset the cache after 3 months... |
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| 15:52.30 | rnix | hi, i try to use syslauthd with rimap on etch to authenticate against an cyrus imap on a macosx maching. i get an 'Unexpected response' error, PLAIN authentication is enabled on the imap box. any suggestions, hints or experience with that challange? |
| 15:52.39 | rnix | saslauthd even |
| 15:52.52 | jelly | MolePrince: oh well. sounds like you might have to figure out a working Modeline (google for your monitor model and modeline), try adding that to either xorg.conf or on the fly with xrandr |
| 15:53.27 | cahoot | try gtf? |
| 15:53.28 | jelly | MolePrince: also, the driver starts with cloned outputs which might be confusing to mplayer. "xrandr --output VGA --below LVDS" |
| 15:53.35 | helo | in a raid1 with a spare drive using sda, sdb, and sdc (spare), what happens when sdb fails, the data to sda is mirrored to sdc, and then the system is rebooted? is there anything that would keep sdc from being renamed to sdb if the original was unable to be probed during boot? |
| 15:54.22 | chops | helo: Depends on how sdb failed -- in some circumstances I could see sdc being renamed to sdb |
| 15:54.47 | helo | that would cause the array to be degraded again, with sdb and sdc marked as failed, right? |
| 15:54.58 | chops | helo: I would definitely recommend removing sdb if that drive has failed, though -- it's a very bad idea to keep broken hardware connected to a working system. Broken hardware sometimes will malfunction in ways that will break hardware that's attached to it. |
| 15:55.06 | chops | helo: No |
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| 15:55.23 | helo | does software raid use hardware ids to identify drives? |
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| 15:55.48 | chops | helo: All Linux software RAID operations happen using unique IDs given to the RAID devices, not the actual device addresses. |
| 15:56.11 | helo | if only grub did the same... |
| 15:56.22 | chops | helo: I'd bet that you can make it do the same |
| 15:57.05 | stiv2k | What is a futex_wait (hrtimer_wakeup) ? |
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| 15:58.45 | valdyn | helo: you could try grub2, but be warned, its got bugs. |
| 15:58.54 | chops | stiv2k: I think you'll have to be a little more specific |
| 15:58.57 | web-user36 | 測試 |
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| 15:59.34 | stiv2k | chops: Its showing up in powertop. I do not know what it is... |
| 15:59.44 | helo | i guess this is why people use hardware raid in production systems... |
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| 16:00.07 | jelly | MolePrince: I'm out of ideas at this point, if noone is willing to take over try #xorg |
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| 16:00.31 | chops | helo: If your concern is simplicity of dealing with things, software RAID is definitely the way to go. Hardware RAID's main advantage is performance. |
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| 16:00.48 | chops | helo: What problem are you experiencing exactly? |
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| 16:01.03 | valdyn | and not even performance is always better on h/w raid |
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| 16:01.55 | chops | stiv2k: I'm not familiar with powertop, but if that's what you're seeing it's probably an indication that lock contention is a performance problem. |
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| 16:02.00 | valdyn | chops: uh? |
| 16:02.10 | chops | valdyn: Doesn't sound correct? |
| 16:02.14 | valdyn | chops: no |
| 16:02.31 | valdyn | chops: him telling you that something "shows" in powertop is totally meaningless |
| 16:02.45 | stiv2k | valdyn: I suppose you are correct |
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| 16:02.53 | stiv2k | valdyn: I'm not sure what other information to provide that is relevant |
| 16:03.01 | valdyn | chops: powertop tells you which things are waking up your (mobile ) cpu from their lower power states |
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| 16:03.18 | berzerka | if not using kernel-package, is update-initramfs the preferred way to build an initrd on debian? |
| 16:03.19 | valdyn | stiv2k: the actual interrupt count per time, duh! |
| 16:03.24 | chops | valdyn: Oh, I thought it was just another "improved" version of top |
| 16:03.30 | chops | valdyn: You are entirely correct, then |
| 16:03.47 | valdyn | chops: so something just showing up there might actually be waking your cpu once per 10 seconds, which is about as irrelevant as it can get |
| 16:03.52 | stiv2k | valdyn: I'm getting _lots_ of weird interrupts! The most often occurring one is this VAGUE item: 52.1% (956.4) <interrupt> : extra timer interrupt |
| 16:04.09 | valdyn | stiv2k: so you are not running a tickless kernel? |
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| 16:04.20 | stiv2k | valdyn: I am not 100% sure... |
| 16:04.45 | valdyn | chops: for example 68,4% ( inf) USB Gerät 2-2 : USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse (Logitech) |
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| 16:05.36 | helo | chops: i'm simulating different kinds of failures on a software raid1 system that will be running in a place with no computer techs available... if one of the drives fails it still needs to be able to boot |
| 16:05.37 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if there is a dev package for "openjpeg" library ? |
| 16:05.38 | valdyn | chops: despite locale issues, thats a typical line, showing that my mouse is the most common reason for waking up my cpu atm |
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| 16:05.42 | helo | writes down everyone's now-uncloaked ip addresses |
| 16:05.43 | stiv2k | valdyn: On average, it *always* shows more than 1000 wakeups per second |
| 16:05.52 | stiv2k | valdyn: and the extra timer interrupt is *always* there |
| 16:06.16 | valdyn | stiv2k: you are running a kernel that is using a 1000hz tick |
| 16:06.21 | stiv2k | valdyn: after that is more typical things like b43, sata_nv, and b43 |
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| 16:06.27 | stiv2k | oops |
| 16:06.29 | chops | helo: And is it currently not? |
| 16:06.32 | stiv2k | i meant nvidia :P |
| 16:06.40 | stiv2k | valdyn: Is this good or bad? :/ |
| 16:06.57 | valdyn | stiv2k: good for what? |
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| 16:07.15 | stiv2k | valdyn: Battery life, I suppose? What does it mean 1000hz tick? |
| 16:07.33 | bogor | how to get sound with flash 9.0 in debian etch. I am able to play mp3 |
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| 16:07.45 | valdyn | stiv2k: i guess it means that you are not using a debian kernel and that its not primarily for power savings |
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| 16:08.25 | stiv2k | valdyn: debian uses tickless by default? Tickless is better why? |
| 16:08.25 | maligor | bogor, mm.. I think flash 9 opens the hw alsa devices directly |
| 16:08.30 | valdyn | stiv2k: no it doesnt |
| 16:08.34 | stiv2k | oh |
| 16:08.40 | valdyn | stiv2k: tickless isnt just better |
| 16:08.41 | stiv2k | valdyn: how do you know I am not using a debian kernel then? |
| 16:08.51 | valdyn | stiv2k: its worse in everything but power saving |
| 16:09.06 | kommodore | I am having a bit of problem using ntfs-3g from etch backports |
| 16:09.08 | bogor | maligor: So what should i do to get sound |
| 16:09.17 | valdyn | stiv2k: becase debian kernels are not 1000hz afaik |
| 16:09.19 | stiv2k | valdyn: oh really? You mean worse in aspect of performance? |
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| 16:09.38 | maligor | bogor, http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Flash_Player:Additional_Interface_Support_for_Linux |
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| 16:09.51 | stiv2k | valdyn: Well I have noticed similar powertop results with 2 or 3 different distros... so I dunno if your statement holds |
| 16:09.59 | stiv2k | valdyn: but you are right I am not using a debian kernel atm :P |
| 16:10.15 | bogor | maligor:thanks |
| 16:10.24 | valdyn | debians 2.6.25-2-amd64 seems to be tickless |
| 16:10.33 | helo | chops: no. grub gets confused when i try to boot off of the secondary drive after the primary is dead... Error 21 |
| 16:11.07 | stew | debian kernels are tickless for versions/arches where it is available. otherwise they are either 100hz or 250hz |
| 16:11.09 | helo | i think i need to install grub on the secondary drive, but tell it to still use hd0 as the root |
| 16:11.12 | kommodore | with the usual fstab entry, ntfs partitions fails to mount (weird result when accessing the mount point), but with an init script mounting the partitions it works fine |
| 16:11.23 | chops | helo: What are you booting off from grub? /dev/sdb1? Or /dev/md0? |
| 16:11.29 | helo | so if the primary drive fails, and the secondary becomes the primary, grub will look in the right place |
| 16:11.36 | berzerka | when not using kernel-package, what is the preferred way of generating an initrd on debian? the debian linux kernel handbook only talks about precompiled kernel-images.. |
| 16:11.53 | stiv2k | valdyn: I am using 2.6.25.6-55.fc9.i686 ... Yeah I know fc9 != debian |
| 16:12.01 | helo | booting from /dev/md0, but i'm installing grub on both sdb and sda |
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| 16:12.06 | helo | by default it only installs to sda |
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| 16:12.18 | valdyn | stiv2k: go to your distros support channel and ask them for laptop kernels |
| 16:12.25 | helo | this is etch, of course |
| 16:13.20 | valdyn | helo: sure, grub does not know raids |
| 16:13.38 | stiv2k | valdyn: they say it's tickless... *shrug* |
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| 16:14.15 | stew | stiv2k: you can probably check by running "zgrep CONFIG_NO_HZ /proc/config.gz" |
| 16:14.19 | valdyn | stiv2k: you can look that up yourself: "grep NO_HZ /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
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| 16:15.34 | stiv2k | stew: your method did not work |
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| 16:15.41 | matisse | hi |
| 16:15.49 | stiv2k | valdyn: CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
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| 16:15.59 | halflife08 | hello folks, my postfix server is getting hosed with a lot of spam from tw, what ways can i employ to brute forcely drop all connections from that country so that i can get some breathing space and figure out what to do |
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| 16:16.04 | matisse | which package do I have to install to get the cups browser interface ? |
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| 16:16.08 | valdyn | stiv2k: so it is a tickless kernel |
| 16:16.14 | stiv2k | valdyn: interestingly enough it is |
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| 16:16.35 | valdyn | stiv2k: now lets see whats causing those interrupts |
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| 16:16.50 | helo | i load up grub, and do "root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); setup (hd1);" |
| 16:17.01 | valdyn | stiv2k: like paste that on a paste site, the whole output of powertop |
| 16:17.09 | stiv2k | valdyn: ok |
| 16:17.13 | lbt | I have a debian based system in a scratchbox - I want to add a repository to sources.list but only use it as a last resort - how do I do that? |
| 16:17.31 | valdyn | lbt: ask in your distros support channel |
| 16:17.39 | helo | so if /dev/sda dies, and the system reboots, sdb (hd1) will become sda (hd0) and the system will still boot |
| 16:17.55 | helo | the problem is if /dev/sda just becomes corrupted, and doesn't go away |
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| 16:18.07 | valdyn | helo: yes |
| 16:18.23 | helo | i supposed i could talk a local operator (not knowledgeable) and have them unplug /dev/sda... |
| 16:18.40 | stiv2k | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d5e0edfcd |
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| 16:19.18 | valdyn | stiv2k: are you running something like compiz? |
| 16:19.29 | stiv2k | valdyn: nope, compiz doesnt work too well on this system, at least in the current version |
| 16:19.59 | stiv2k | valdyn: the battery lasts like 2.5 hours surprisingly, even with the 1100 wakeups per second |
| 16:20.23 | stiv2k | valdyn: the ACPI says 0.5 hours because it's already been on for about 2 hours :P |
| 16:20.26 | valdyn | stiv2k: and no frequency scaling |
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| 16:21.09 | stiv2k | valdyn: yeah it has frequency scaling, right now its at 800 mhz out of 1600 mhz |
| 16:21.14 | valdyn | stiv2k: now off to #fedora and ask them what the top line in powertop is |
| 16:21.14 | lbt | valdyn: it's debian based - this is #debian |
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| 16:21.22 | stiv2k | valdyn: already been doing that :P |
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| 16:21.34 | chops | helo: Well, if the (hd1) installation is set to root (hd0,0), and /dev/sda becomes corrupted, then that won't work... |
| 16:21.35 | valdyn | lbt: yes, this is #debian, not #based_on_debian |
| 16:21.40 | themill | dpkg: tell lbt about based on debian |
| 16:21.48 | lbt | OK - it' s a debian install in a scratchbox |
| 16:21.55 | lbt | happy? |
| 16:22.05 | stiv2k | valdyn: someone there suggested something with this output from dmesg, not sure if its relevant: Could not switch to high resolution mode on CPU 1 |
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| 16:22.07 | rocketmagnet | does someone know if there is a package for openjpeg dev in etch ? or just sid ?? |
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| 16:22.24 | themill | lbt: please don't start an argument about this. Please just go and ask people who actually know about your distribution. |
| 16:22.27 | valdyn | stiv2k: i dont think that matters |
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| 16:22.32 | chops | helo: If the (hd1) installation is set to root (hd1,0), and the BIOS is smart enough to realize that /dev/sda is corrupted and boot from /dev/sdb, and /dev/sdb's booting results in the RAID array being properly mounted and reconstructed, then you should be fine in that situation |
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| 16:22.42 | stiv2k | valdyn: ok, thank you anyways |
| 16:22.54 | lbt | I am using : deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 16:22.58 | chops | helo: Of course, it's still good to have someone come and replace the lost drive. You're not going to be able to get around the requirement to maintain the machine no matter how you configure the RAID :-) |
| 16:23.03 | valdyn | stiv2k: your interrupts still look like the kernel wasnt tickless |
| 16:23.04 | lbt | how much debianness do you guys need? |
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| 16:23.28 | valdyn | stiv2k: but fedora people will know better whats causing these interrupts |
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| 16:23.38 | stiv2k | valdyn: naturally |
| 16:23.42 | lbt | it's an apt question - debian apt - from debian |
| 16:24.23 | themill | lbt: so what's the output of: dpkg -l apt libc6 | tail -2 |
| 16:24.29 | stiv2k | lbt: you can never get enough debianness :P |
| 16:25.21 | lbt | stiv2k: true - but it's not the friendliest place is it? |
| 16:25.43 | lbt | apt 0.7.6maemo2 libc6 2.5.0-1osso9 |
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| 16:25.52 | stiv2k | valdyn: well, guy in fedora says without high resolution mode the kernel cannot use tickless |
| 16:26.11 | stew | stiv2k: what is "high resolution mode"? |
| 16:26.12 | stiv2k | I still dont know what high resolution mode in the CPU is in the first place |
| 16:26.12 | valdyn | stiv2k: guess he's right then |
| 16:26.12 | themill | lbt: neither of those are debian packages. Your apt is not from debian. kthnxbye. |
| 16:26.17 | stiv2k | stew: no idea |
| 16:26.28 | valdyn | it nearly sounds like hpet |
| 16:26.33 | stew | stiv2k: then ask him which kernel setting he is talking about? |
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| 16:27.34 | lbt | themill: |
| 16:27.34 | lbt | ii apt 0.7.14+b1 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 16:27.34 | lbt | ii libc6 2.7-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:27.37 | themill | lbt: We repeatedly get asked to spend lots of time working out what is wrong with packages that are not from debian. How are we supposed to know what is wrong with them when we've never seen them before. Your problems may even be well known to the people who make your distro, why would we want to reinvent the wheel? |
| 16:28.09 | lbt | because this is a generic apt question |
| 16:28.21 | lbt | I want to add a repository to sources.list but only use it as a last resort - how do I do that? |
| 16:28.25 | themill | lbt: then you should know how to generically ask google or man pages |
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| 16:29.34 | helo | chops: if root is set to hd0,0 on hd1 and hd0, then the machine fails booting if hd0 becomes corrupted but stays available, but will boot if hd0 becomes unavailable... |
| 16:29.37 | valdyn | lbt: man apt_preferences |
| 16:29.40 | lbt | themill: I do thanks - I also hang about in various irc chats helping people out on raid questions or other dev issues - this isn't my speciality and I thought I'd ask for a portion of the help I so often dole out to others - gee thanks for *your* help |
| 16:29.46 | valdyn | lbt: now go away and bug your distro support channel |
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| 16:29.59 | helo | chops: i guess it boils down to whether it is more likely that the drive will fail and still be recognized in bios, or if it will fail and disappear |
| 16:30.26 | bogor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.39 | moo3 | hi all, is anybody knows a spyware cleanner for my debian? i got into too many porn sites and i think my web browser slow because of that.. |
| 16:30.42 | valdyn | bogor: wikipedia |
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| 16:30.53 | valdyn | moo3: bullshit |
| 16:31.18 | bogor | /exit |
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| 16:31.39 | DogBoy | hehe |
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| 16:32.06 | moo3 | anyone bulided spywares for iceweasel debian...? |
| 16:32.07 | moo3 | is there such thing spyware cleanner for debian? |
| 16:32.07 | themill | ...."monday is the new sunday".... |
| 16:32.25 | moo3 | anyone/no one |
| 16:32.28 | \amethyst | moo3: no there isn't |
| 16:32.29 | valdyn | moo3: not really |
| 16:32.30 | tarzeau | moo3: no. no. |
| 16:32.37 | stiv2k | valdyn: stew: 12:32 < mschmidt> stiv2k, I think you have one of the AMD CPUs with the C1E state which the kernel does not handle too well. There've been some patches for it in LKML for it not so long ago. |
| 16:32.48 | moo3 | oh.. ok. thanks |
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| 16:32.53 | DogBoy | you need spyware to have a spyware cleaner |
| 16:32.57 | valdyn | stiv2k: sounds like the guy knows more about your hardware than I do |
| 16:33.04 | \amethyst | DogBoy: spyware for Debian is certainly possible |
| 16:33.16 | DogBoy | as I imply |
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| 16:33.37 | moo3 | good bye. |
| 16:33.38 | stiv2k | valdyn: seems to be the case, more information here aswell: 12:32 < mschmidt> stiv2k, I think you have one of the AMD CPUs with the C1E state which the kernel does not handle too well. There've been some patches for it in LKML for it not so long ago. |
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| 16:33.42 | stiv2k | oops! |
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| 16:33.50 | stiv2k | I am terrible with the clipboard, I meant this: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/693198 |
| 16:33.55 | helo | if hd0 fails and the machine won't boot (because root on hd1 is set to hd0,0), it will always be possible for me to talk someone through unplugging hd0 so that hd1 becomes hd0... it will not be so easy to replace hd0 if hd0 dies and becomes unavailable if root is set to hd1... more down time if they have to run to the store after a drive failure |
| 16:34.14 | stew | DogBoy: what is spyware? is it something that cannot just be removed by going to Tools->Add-ons? |
| 16:34.29 | berzerka | can anyone direct me to documentation on how to create an initrd image on debian? |
| 16:34.34 | DogBoy | what? |
| 16:34.39 | valdyn | stiv2k: i would try that patchset if you really have that hardware |
| 16:34.48 | tarzeau | berzerka: do you build kernels the debian way? |
| 16:34.58 | berzerka | tarzeau: you mean using kernel-package? |
| 16:34.58 | stiv2k | valdyn: I am trying to verify this now |
| 16:35.02 | valdyn | stiv2k: tglx is defenitely trustworthy |
| 16:35.05 | stiv2k | valdyn: Never heard of C1E before |
| 16:35.08 | tarzeau | berzerka: yes |
| 16:35.28 | cahoot | stiv2k: sounds like my amd64 |
| 16:35.35 | berzerka | tarzeau: i did so until today, because the kernel-package mantra makes me recompile the whole thing every time. pretty inconvenient if regularly making minor changes.. |
| 16:35.38 | stiv2k | cahoot: Turion64X2? Yup that's what I have |
| 16:35.46 | cahoot | stiv2k: right |
| 16:35.55 | tarzeau | berzerka: it's got an option, but the kernel needs be configured according |
| 16:36.05 | cahoot | stiv2k: only since 2.6.24 it boots reliably |
| 16:36.17 | berzerka | tarzeau: yeah, --initrd, which worked fine. |
| 16:36.25 | tarzeau | berzerka: what was the problem, then? |
| 16:36.43 | berzerka | tarzeau: my actual problem is needing to call make-kpkg clean before building. |
| 16:36.51 | stiv2k | cahoot: Yeah I know, I thought I was the only one who was experiencing random lockups and whatnot during boot proccess |
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| 16:38.03 | berzerka | tarzeau: make-kpkg aborted (using the mantra with just the clean stripped of) that VERSION="the date when i first built the kernel" was expected, or something similar. |
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| 16:38.30 | berzerka | tarzeau: i will reproduce it (will take me another 3 hours of compiling...) |
| 16:38.30 | wols | berzerka: I susually don't clean and it works fine for me. YMMV |
| 16:38.42 | tarzeau | berzerka: need a faster computer? |
| 16:39.02 | berzerka | tarzeau: definitely :) |
| 16:39.11 | tarzeau | wols: i don't care, i build like 15 kernels in a row, so i leave the build running on the fastest available computer over night |
| 16:39.16 | Astroman | hi, i am having a problem with cron on etch. It appears to be trying to run a command root - my root crontab line applicable is "32 * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly". Anyone any ideas? |
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| 16:39.37 | Astroman | it seems to be taking the user as the command for some reason |
| 16:39.56 | berzerka | wols: ah, so i also leave out the --revision and --append-to-revision, and he just recreates the image under the same name as he did initially? |
| 16:40.07 | wols | tarzeau: when I compiled on a 486 I did likewise. config, start the make-kpgk |
| 16:40.26 | tarzeau | wols: i built one on my sparc classic, took like 5,5 hours :) |
| 16:40.27 | wols | berzerka: make-kpkg binary_arch |
| 16:40.38 | tarzeau | wols: comparable to 486 |
| 16:40.42 | wols | that's all you really need. a fakeroot too before the make-kpkg of course |
| 16:41.25 | berzerka | wols: alright... is there some documentation on kernel-package, aside from man make-kpkg? i will look for it... |
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| 16:43.29 | Astroman | I get the error even if my cron.hourly directory is empty |
| 16:44.55 | \amethyst | Astroman: where is that crontab line? |
| 16:45.00 | stew | Astroman: which crontabe are you talking about? /etc/crontab? or the root user's crontab? |
| 16:45.03 | Astroman | The exact error I get is "/bin/sh: root: command not found" |
| 16:45.05 | \amethyst | Astroman: is it in /etc/crontab or in root's crontab? |
| 16:45.17 | Astroman | I get it when I do a crontab -e as root |
| 16:45.19 | \amethyst | oh, stew beat me to it |
| 16:45.24 | stew | Astroman: that crontab doesn't have a user field |
| 16:45.46 | Astroman | the one in crontab -e as root? |
| 16:45.50 | Astroman | that would make sense |
| 16:45.56 | stew | Astroman: but why are you adding that contrab entry instead of just editing /etc/crontab (which should already have a cron.hourly) |
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| 16:46.43 | TiMiDo_ | !tell bolt about root |
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| 16:46.53 | Astroman | I though I was supposed to use crontab -e rather than editing /etc/crontab? |
| 16:47.06 | bolt | TiMiDo_: ... |
| 16:47.11 | bolt | TiMiDo_: your point being? |
| 16:47.17 | TiMiDo_ | Do not irc as r00t |
| 16:47.18 | TiMiDo_ | moron |
| 16:47.23 | bolt | ... |
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| 16:47.45 | TiMiDo | a |
| 16:47.51 | bolt | TiMiDo: you are joking, right? |
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| 16:48.02 | TiMiDo | hmmm nope |
| 16:48.05 | stew | TiMiDo: stop |
| 16:48.11 | TiMiDo | okey stew |
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| 16:48.24 | freespace | will binary x11 drivers comiled for x11r6v4 work with _a_ version of xorg? |
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| 16:48.40 | stew | ah |
| 16:49.07 | stew | TiMiDo: i've silenced you for 10 minutes. in the future please keep it constructive and don't resort to name-calling |
| 16:49.21 | bolt | :D |
| 16:49.46 | wols | berzerka: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 16:50.14 | Astroman | should i delete what i get with crontab -e as root and put it all in /etc/crontab?? |
| 16:50.34 | berzerka | wols: thanks didn't think of that. also found this page: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 16:57.26 | scatterp | hi i recompiled my kernel and installed it but when i boot up machine wont boot it says incorect boot option can any one help with that? |
| 16:57.39 | chops | helo: (hd1, 0) will still work if /dev/sda completely disappears, if you set up /dev/sdc as a bootable drive as well |
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| 16:57.43 | helo | how do i control the order of the generated items in grub/menu.lst (and the default kernel)? |
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| 16:58.15 | wols | scatterp: you misconfigured your kernel. why did you compile it? |
| 16:58.22 | wols | scatterp: and how did you compile it |
| 16:58.39 | helo | chops: there is no /dev/sdc... i suppose i could make it part of the raid1... |
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| 16:58.48 | scatterp | wols because i wanted to install compat-wireless |
| 16:58.57 | scatterp | and it said it needed a newer kernel |
| 16:59.06 | chops | helo: You said you had a third, spare drive, in addition to the two non-spare drives that the RAID array was created on. |
| 16:59.18 | chops | helo: By /dev/sdc I mean the third, spare drive |
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| 16:59.23 | paet|lap | hello |
| 16:59.28 | wols | !tell scatterp about backports |
| 16:59.43 | paet|lap | how do I change the keyboard layout used by gdm and the virtual terminals? |
| 16:59.46 | wols | scatterp: kernel 2.6.24 is available from backjports |
| 16:59.53 | wols | keymaps |
| 16:59.54 | wols | !keymaps |
| 16:59.55 | helo | ahh yes... heh that part was made up... my current systems have no sdc, but future ones will :) |
| 17:00.02 | paet|lap | !keymaps |
| 17:00.05 | paet|lap | ? |
| 17:00.07 | paet|lap | aha |
| 17:00.09 | wols | !tell paet|lap about keymap |
| 17:00.21 | scatterp | wols how i compiled it well i did make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 17:00.22 | Astroman | thanks stew. i think i get it now - all system type stuff should go in /etc/crontab (which in debian scans the cron.hourly, daily, weekly and monthly directories) and has a user field. Any user specific stuff should be added by the user using crontab -e |
| 17:00.30 | paet|lap | do I have to type that? |
| 17:00.40 | paet|lap | aha |
| 17:00.43 | paet|lap | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:00.45 | wols | scatterp: did you configure it too? |
| 17:00.54 | scatterp | i copyed my existing config |
| 17:01.18 | wols | scatterp: and you didn't make an initrd. which is why you got that error. use the backport as I told you |
| 17:01.23 | chops | helo: Also, see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Booting-fallback-systems |
| 17:01.35 | scatterp | 2.6.24 would would i need >=2.6.21 |
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| 17:02.17 | scatterp | ok i was told about backport yesterday i read about it and i really didnt understand |
| 17:02.31 | abrotman | there are instructions at backports.org |
| 17:02.36 | scatterp | are you saying theres a precompiled 2.6.24 available ? |
| 17:02.42 | wols | scatterp: yes |
| 17:03.06 | scatterp | abrotman, i read them i didnt understand them i am going to look for the file i guess thats best to start with |
| 17:03.16 | scatterp | wols correct i didnt make initrd |
| 17:04.09 | bolt | can I somehow pin some currently held packages to their currently installed version, so apt wont try to upgrade them if i do apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:04.18 | abrotman | !tell bolt about hold |
| 17:06.05 | scatterp | wols i cant find the file could you give me a link or tell me what to use as a search string ? |
| 17:06.27 | helo | if sdc was a spare though, then it woulnd't have the boot files on it |
| 17:06.42 | themill | scatterp: there's no file to find. You need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to include a line for backports.org as described in their instructions. |
| 17:07.02 | scatterp | ok |
| 17:07.41 | bolt | abrotman: I've tried using aptitude hold <pkg> and pressing = in aptitude itself, but if I do shift+U, which I generally do to get an idea of what needs to be updated, it still includes those packages |
| 17:07.43 | helo | the alternative would be to have a 3-disk raid1 array, but it seems like that may make writes pretty slow |
| 17:08.19 | helo | reads might be really fast, i dunno |
| 17:08.56 | steven__ | 3 disk raid array i belive if you increase the stripe size writes will have little impact or be affected less should i say |
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| 17:08.57 | helo | i guess if just /boot/ was a 3-disk array, it would be ok |
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| 17:09.37 | scatterp | themill i did th |
| 17:09.45 | scatterp | themill i did that but i still need to know a package name |
| 17:10.18 | themill | scatterp: linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 (or -amd64 if that's what you are using) |
| 17:10.36 | chops | helo: Did you read the link I sent you about booting fallback systems? |
| 17:10.38 | wols | Astroman: linux-image |
| 17:10.51 | matisse | which package do I have to install to get the cups browser interface ? |
| 17:11.02 | wols | !cups |
| 17:11.02 | dpkg | cups is probably a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 17:11.03 | Astroman | what wols?? |
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| 17:11.20 | wols | Astroman: srry. should have been for scatterp. mistype |
| 17:11.27 | wols | scatterp: linux-image |
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| 17:12.01 | scatterp | themill says not found |
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| 17:12.06 | scatterp | wols trying what you said,... |
| 17:12.07 | helo | chops: yes, that sounds somewhat useful... but the problem of drive names changing as drives fail is still a little bothersome |
| 17:12.15 | PleXuS | hi anyone known a tool on debian te recover deleted files? |
| 17:12.18 | themill | scatterp: what says not found? |
| 17:12.19 | wols | scatterp: pastbein your sources.list |
| 17:12.23 | matisse | wols, "can't establish a connection to the server" |
| 17:12.28 | paet|lap | ok, I fixed the layout for the virtual consoles, but I still get the worng layout in gdm and xfce? |
| 17:12.30 | scatterp | ok |
| 17:12.51 | wols | matisse: as root, netstat -anp |grep 631 |
| 17:12.54 | PleXuS | for ext3 fs |
| 17:12.54 | chops | helo: Why does "boot hd1, if that fails boot hd0" not 100% solve the problem of drive names changing as drives fail? |
| 17:13.05 | wols | !tell plexus undelete |
| 17:13.08 | wols | !tell plexus about undelete |
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| 17:13.23 | wols | chops: bios naming |
| 17:13.36 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/d532c6006 |
| 17:13.47 | wols | chops: grub expots its files on a certain disk on a certain place, period |
| 17:13.49 | PleXuS | thanks wols ;) |
| 17:14.22 | chops | wols: The solution for _that_ is to redundantly run 'setup' in grub on multiple disks, it seems to me |
| 17:14.23 | helo | it does fix the problem... i just don't like not knowing which physical devices will have which names :) |
| 17:14.29 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/d47ef9f8c also |
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| 17:14.39 | chops | helo: You'll have to use some of those fancy new fail-proof drives then :-) |
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| 17:15.12 | wols | chops: it is. but there is no way to know beforehand what the bios will do: will disk 0x81 become 0x80 or will it stay 0x81? |
| 17:15.16 | chops | helo: In general the solution is to use UUIDs and RAID identifiers instead of device names, but I don't know offhand if grub supports any of that |
| 17:15.17 | helo | persistent-drive-naming.rules would be nice, but i think udev probably loads up too late in the boot process for it to actually work |
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| 17:15.51 | themill | scatterp: get rid of the quote marks in the apt-get command |
| 17:15.52 | chops | wols: Right, which is why each of your redundant RAID installations should be set up to try to boot 0x81, and if that fails to boot 0x80 |
| 17:15.55 | scatterp | ok |
| 17:16.04 | chops | s/redundant RAID/redundant grub/ |
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| 17:16.15 | chops | wols: Or am I missing something? |
| 17:16.19 | wols | scatterp: I just added your backports line to my sources.list. it finds the kernel just fine |
| 17:16.28 | steven__ | regarding raid arrays and divers failng (sorry i missed half the converstaion) you should be able use /dev/md0 md1 etc etc in grub |
| 17:16.29 | scatterp | wols i had "s |
| 17:16.40 | wols | chops: yes you fail to see that grub cannot do this. |
| 17:16.48 | chops | steven__: grub understands RAID devices now? |
| 17:16.51 | wols | ther is only one way for it to boot. it can't look in sevreal places |
| 17:16.55 | wols | chops: grub2 does |
| 17:16.58 | steven__ | chops: i hope so |
| 17:17.01 | steven__ | im using it |
| 17:17.03 | chops | wols: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Booting-fallback-systems |
| 17:17.10 | wols | steven__: where do you use md0 exactly? |
| 17:17.14 | scatterp | ok now i can boot in to it ? |
| 17:17.14 | chops | wols: Is that not what you're describing? |
| 17:17.21 | steven__ | i don't |
| 17:17.22 | wols | scatterp: install it |
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| 17:17.34 | wols | steven__: you just said you're using it |
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| 17:17.38 | steven__ | i just /dev/md3 or what ever the root device is for the kernel command opts |
| 17:17.48 | wols | steven__: that has nothing to do with grub at all |
| 17:17.49 | steven__ | root=/dev/md3 for instance |
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| 17:17.53 | scatterp | wols install was a line included in the command i pasted to pastebin im assumeing its installed |
| 17:18.02 | wols | it's just a kernel parameter like any other which grub doesn't care about in the slightest |
| 17:18.14 | steven__ | sorry i missed the first half of the conversation whats the problem exactly ? |
| 17:18.15 | wols | scatterp: don't ASSume. check |
| 17:18.31 | wols | scatterp: is the new kernel installed or not? |
| 17:18.41 | wols | scatterp: you will also need kernel headers for this kernel |
| 17:18.44 | scatterp | i dont know how to check ? |
| 17:18.53 | wols | dpkg -l |
| 17:18.53 | dpkg | no idea, wols |
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| 17:18.54 | scatterp | wols good point yes i will |
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| 17:19.55 | scatterp | hmm seems its not installed |
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| 17:20.57 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/d4cca48c0 what do i do after this |
| 17:21.16 | wols | you read the backports.org instructions some more |
| 17:21.30 | scatterp | i did that all the way to the bottom# |
| 17:21.46 | scatterp | it didnt mention where the file i downloaded went to if its installed or how to install it |
| 17:21.47 | wols | you didn't check as I told you with dpkg -l, did you? |
| 17:21.52 | scatterp | i did check |
| 17:21.57 | themill | wols: the kernel is installed |
| 17:22.00 | wols | and what did it say? |
| 17:22.00 | matisse | wols, concering cups, netstat doesn't say something about 631 |
| 17:22.13 | scatterp | i said "hmm seems its not installed" 3 or 4 lines up |
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| 17:22.27 | scatterp | wols well i did |grep kernel |
| 17:22.32 | wols | scatterp: and on what do you base this |
| 17:22.39 | scatterp | and i saw some stuff that didnt include that package name |
| 17:22.47 | wols | where do you see a "kernel" in that package name? |
| 17:22.48 | scatterp | but themill says its installed |
| 17:23.06 | scatterp | hmm |
| 17:23.09 | scatterp | good point |
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| 17:23.22 | themill | scatterp: don't trust me... make sure you know for yourself |
| 17:23.28 | abrotman | bolt: they might be required for a package you are explicitly upgrading |
| 17:23.37 | scatterp | ok yes its there |
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| 17:23.42 | wols | themill: stop rooting scatterp's box! |
| 17:23.55 | themill | blushes |
| 17:24.15 | wols | scatterp: grep for something that is actually int he package name |
| 17:24.37 | scatterp | ok yes its there |
| 17:24.44 | wols | good |
| 17:24.50 | paet|lap | how do I set the keymap for gdm? |
| 17:25.06 | scatterp | so i can reboot to it now ? |
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| 17:25.11 | wols | as a final check (not really needed, but I usually do it) I check my /boot/grub/menu.lst that everything is in order |
| 17:25.21 | Kewll | helo... i having problem on kernel install.."unable to install kernel linux image 2.6 amd |
| 17:25.21 | scatterp | ok |
| 17:25.22 | scatterp | looking |
| 17:25.23 | wols | I ahve a headless box and a missing kernel really ruins the day... |
| 17:25.31 | wols | paet|lap: you've been told |
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| 17:25.46 | wols | matisse: what from cups is installed? |
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| 17:25.59 | paet|lap | wols: well, I didn't have any success with that |
| 17:26.16 | paet|lap | I managed to change my console keymap, but gdm is still using the default us keymap |
| 17:26.17 | scatterp | oh nice its there |
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| 17:26.25 | scatterp | ok i will reboot then :D |
| 17:26.26 | wols | paet|lap: but it's the way to do it |
| 17:26.28 | scatterp | thanks wols |
| 17:26.31 | scatterp | thanks themill |
| 17:26.31 | wols | scatterp: good luck |
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| 17:26.37 | paet|lap | wols: what is, exactly? |
| 17:26.39 | valdyn | paet|lap: you restarted gdm? |
| 17:26.47 | paet|lap | valdyn: yes |
| 17:26.54 | valdyn | paet|lap: how? |
| 17:27.10 | wols | paet|lap: it's a setting in xorg.conf, usually changed with drxx |
| 17:27.12 | paet|lap | invoke-something gdm restart |
| 17:28.06 | paet|lap | wols: I have xkblayout set to my preffered layout |
| 17:28.07 | MolePrince | Hello, on Debian lenny when I try to install vlc-plugin-ogg it tells me no candidate version found. How may I find it please? |
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| 17:28.38 | paet|lap | in "inputdevice, "generic keyboard", option "xkbLayout" "hr" |
| 17:28.52 | paet|lap | besides that, I have xkbrules and xkbmodel |
| 17:28.53 | wols | !why is vlc-plugin-ogg not in testing |
| 17:28.53 | dpkg | vlc-plugin-ogg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=vlc-plugin-ogg |
| 17:29.10 | hellop | Hello... can anyone suggest a way to alter packets that get sent from a local app, to a remote server in real time? |
| 17:29.29 | valdyn | hellop: www.lartc.org |
| 17:29.35 | wols | MolePrince: there is no such package anywhere |
| 17:29.44 | hellop | Right now I only know of logging eth0 using Ethereal to a text file, then altering it by hand, then transmitting that text file. |
| 17:30.03 | valdyn | hellop: everything can be done via iptables |
| 17:30.12 | MolePrince | wols: How come it shows up in my list then? or rather, how shoud I get ogg support in vlc? My ogm videos do not play. |
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| 17:30.38 | hellop | val, hmm... A plugin or some way to to it with Ethereal/Wireshark (a.k.a. a windows program) would be the best |
| 17:31.05 | valdyn | hellop: maybe you think that would be easier because you are familiar with those 2 |
| 17:31.07 | benjamindees | hellop, /join #windows |
| 17:31.09 | hellop | valdyn, I am trying to test and create a anti-hacker detection for my clan's video game server... |
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| 17:31.26 | valdyn | hellop: i pointed you to the right docs for the right tools |
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| 17:31.37 | hellop | benjamindees, server in linux, game in windows, hench why Im asking about a cross platform sniffer |
| 17:31.42 | hellop | valdyn, k thanks |
| 17:31.50 | Kewll | someone here would like help me? i can t install base system... |
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| 17:31.56 | scatterp | nice it worked |
| 17:31.56 | berzerka | is there a way to change the kernel-image revision (in the kernel config, or via make-kpkg parameter) without being forced to call make-kpkg clean? |
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| 17:32.07 | valdyn | !ttell Kewll -about ask |
| 17:32.10 | hellop | valdyn, but that site is down |
| 17:32.22 | Kewll | unable to install kernel linux image amd 64 |
| 17:32.30 | wols | hellop: lartc.org is fine |
| 17:32.56 | scatterp | themill wols it works great how would i install kernel headers and sources ? |
| 17:33.08 | TiMiDo | yeah |
| 17:33.22 | valdyn | guess lartc might never have had a www. |
| 17:33.26 | wols | you only need headers. same way as the kernel |
| 17:33.39 | hellop | wols, thanks yeah, no www forward in the A record |
| 17:34.20 | hellop | Basically, hackers are about to run scripting commands like setDamage, and setPosition, and the only way I can think to stop them is to sniff the packets in real time... |
| 17:34.22 | scatterp | ok but i would need package names right how do you figure them out |
| 17:34.33 | hellop | I need to mangle them in real-time to test. |
| 17:34.41 | benjamindees | hmm anyone noticed iceweasel 'losing' all the search engines in the search bar when opening a new window? |
| 17:35.23 | PleXuS | where do i get ext3grep ? |
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| 17:35.38 | PleXuS | in wich package is it maybe? or do i need to download it from specific site? |
| 17:35.46 | valdyn | !tell PleXuS -about search |
| 17:36.09 | valdyn | PleXuS: what is that program supposed to do? |
| 17:36.18 | zoddan | how do i chnage the rights for my user "daniel" to be able to write in the /www dir? |
| 17:36.35 | PleXuS | valdyn, restoring my deleted files on my ext3fs |
| 17:36.42 | valdyn | zoddan: debian has no /www dir |
| 17:36.46 | PleXuS | but i did search for it on synaptic search |
| 17:36.48 | PleXuS | didn't find it |
| 17:37.03 | zoddan | var/ww |
| 17:37.03 | PleXuS | apt-get better to search with? or is it the same? |
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| 17:37.36 | PleXuS | zoddan, chmod maybe? :) |
| 17:37.45 | valdyn | PleXuS: hell no |
| 17:37.48 | zoddan | what level and so on? |
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| 17:38.19 | zoddan | 0775? |
| 17:38.25 | zoddan | or is it 775? |
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| 17:38.35 | hoxu | zoddan, you could create a new group, chgrp /var/www, adduser <you> <group>, chmod g+ws /var/www |
| 17:38.37 | valdyn | PleXuS: change the group on www to www-data and add your user to the www-data group and chmod g+rwx www |
| 17:38.52 | hoxu | valdyn, that isn't exactly much safer than plain chmod world ;) |
| 17:38.55 | valdyn | PleXuS: or something like that. |
| 17:39.01 | valdyn | hoxu: geez |
| 17:39.02 | PleXuS | valdyn, but you needed chmod ;) |
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| 17:39.13 | valdyn | hoxu: sure it is |
| 17:39.16 | PleXuS | valdyn, i did known about the groups but forgot to say :) |
| 17:39.32 | hoxu | valdyn, yeah, until someone figures out how to mkdir ~/public_html? :P |
| 17:39.37 | PleXuS | same way i did with samba fs |
| 17:40.06 | scatterp | what is the backport package name for kernel headers for kernel 2.6.24 |
| 17:40.06 | valdyn | hoxu: how to log in as his user |
| 17:40.07 | PleXuS | valdyn, you known a better tool to recover removed files maybe? |
| 17:40.20 | valdyn | PleXuS: its probably better to add an entirely new group |
| 17:40.29 | stew | scatterp: linux-headers-$version |
| 17:40.34 | PleXuS | valdyn, they did get deleted becoz they where corrupted and fsck.ext3 did remove them :s |
| 17:40.36 | valdyn | PleXuS: instead of using www-data, but hoxu is exaggerating the danger |
| 17:40.39 | wols | valdyn: I'd create a new group "web" and add the user to that and make /var/www belong to group web |
| 17:40.47 | valdyn | wols: i agree |
| 17:40.55 | hoxu | valdyn, well, it depends on whether it's a single-user system |
| 17:40.58 | wols | valdyn: having the docroot be writable by www-data processes (apache and php), is not good in my book |
| 17:41.08 | valdyn | wols: yea |
| 17:41.41 | PleXuS | valdyn, i depends how you environment looks like |
| 17:41.52 | hoxu | zoddan, addgroup web; adduser zoddan web; chgrp -R web /var/www/; chmod -R g+ws /var/www # Be careful with this :) |
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| 17:42.10 | felipe1982 | does "unstable" have a "security.debian.org" repo? I enable it in sources.list, I get 404 errors |
| 17:42.11 | paet|lap | ok, I've tried drxx, but to no avail, Ive set my layout in xorg.conf, but it still doesn't load |
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| 17:42.29 | benjamindees | felipe1982, no |
| 17:42.30 | hoxu | zoddan, the g+s bit there makes sure that any files you create under /var/www stay in the group "web" |
| 17:42.34 | felipe1982 | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 17:42.49 | streuner | felipe: s/unstable/stable/ |
| 17:43.08 | felipe1982 | benjamindees: In order to get the newest nvidia kernels, is it best to use sources.list? Or download manually from a server .. ? |
| 17:43.12 | streuner | (there are security patches for unstable) in sdo |
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| 17:43.20 | hoxu | I don't personally use /var/www, I have /var/vhosts with symlinks |
| 17:43.22 | streuner | no+ |
| 17:43.42 | benjamindees | felipe1982, not sure. I don't use nvidia. |
| 17:43.48 | felipe1982 | streuner: i want security packs for unstalbe (sid) |
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| 17:44.02 | themill | felipe1982: there are none. |
| 17:44.11 | paet|lap | even when I choose the language in gdm, I still get the wrong stuff |
| 17:44.11 | streuner | felipe: we already told you |
| 17:44.20 | felipe1982 | excellent - thanks |
| 17:44.22 | streuner | felipe: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 17:44.40 | valdyn | zoddan: or maybe doing the whole via ~/public_html, where the user already has permissions is better |
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| 17:44.54 | streuner | hm, wtf doesn't my autocompletition works |
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| 17:45.43 | streuner | !+tell felipe1982 -about nvidia |
| 17:45.45 | dpkg | told felipe1982 about nvidia. |
| 17:45.57 | zoddan | valdyn: well i want to use the var/www dir |
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| 17:46.14 | streuner | felipe1982: and read wiki.debian.org about |
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| 17:46.24 | valdyn | zoddan: if that user is the only one modifying that dir.. then that is equivalent |
| 17:46.33 | zoddan | valdyn: dont want to use "public_html" in my URL |
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| 17:46.57 | valdyn | zoddan: uh, thats a seperate issue, urls look as you map the dirs |
| 17:46.57 | felipe1982 | streuner: i am reading wiki. I'm trying to get most recent nvidia packages through sid, because my card isn't supported otherwise in debian |
| 17:46.58 | zoddan | valdyn: ye but what do i have to change |
| 17:47.12 | hoxu | zoddan, did you read my advice above? |
| 17:47.32 | hoxu | prepares the rope, chair and spotlight |
| 17:47.43 | valdyn | zoddan: you can map any directory to be the root the URL to access them |
| 17:48.01 | zoddan | hoxu: there is allredy a group and so on |
| 17:48.07 | valdyn | zoddan: even /var/www/zoddan/ for instance |
| 17:48.11 | hoxu | zoddan, what? "web" group? |
| 17:48.15 | streuner | felipe1982: there is always "VGA" or "VESA" ;-) |
| 17:48.16 | zoddan | just want to change the rights for the user so it can write |
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| 17:48.21 | zoddan | www-data i guess? |
| 17:48.26 | felipe1982 | streuner: yucky resolution |
| 17:48.32 | valdyn | zoddan: no, that was wrong by me, dont use www-data |
| 17:48.34 | hoxu | zoddan, that's different, it's what apache runs under |
| 17:48.41 | zoddan | ok |
| 17:48.43 | valdyn | zoddan: is your user the only one to access there or is he not? |
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| 17:48.48 | zoddan | so who is the owner of www? |
| 17:48.48 | streuner | well, sell that videocard and buy a supported videocard? |
| 17:48.49 | hoxu | zoddan, the commands I pasted above should work |
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| 17:49.17 | zoddan | dont want more groups |
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| 17:49.24 | hoxu | zoddan, by default /var/www is only root-writable as far as I know, but as people have pointed out, it's not a bad idea to create a separate group for that |
| 17:49.26 | zoddan | just change the rights |
| 17:49.27 | hoxu | ... |
| 17:49.28 | hoxu | really |
| 17:49.32 | valdyn | zoddan: is your user the only one to write there? |
| 17:49.33 | hoxu | !be a groups barbie |
| 17:49.34 | dpkg | Aww, groups is HARD! Let's go shopping, hoxu |
| 17:50.02 | zoddan | hoxu: why not use the root group then? |
| 17:50.03 | hoxu | zoddan, don't ask for advice if you aren't going to accept any. |
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| 17:50.09 | cozub | hi |
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| 17:50.24 | valdyn | zoddan: you dont want to add users to the root group, that is why |
| 17:50.33 | zoddan | ok |
| 17:50.47 | valdyn | zoddan: you're not answering my question though |
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| 17:51.06 | zoddan | hoxu: why did you sa that i need to be careful with that? |
| 17:51.07 | cozub | the mouse wheel doesn't seem to work on my box :-/ I know it's an "evergreen" thing; but I had it working in slack; while I don't seem to be able to make it work now in debian |
| 17:51.07 | valdyn | zoddan: you only need a new group if you want the general case where more than 1 user need write permissions in www |
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| 17:51.22 | Griz | Hey |
| 17:51.27 | cozub | I tried fiddling with the config files... but w/o result |
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| 17:51.53 | zoddan | valdyn: ye i know |
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| 17:51.53 | Kewll | problems with kernel install!!!!! |
| 17:51.59 | Griz | Hey Gang. I need ssl for my cupsd webpage. Which package does that live in? or how do I enable it? (any good docs/urls to read on??) |
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| 17:52.07 | zoddan | valdyn: thats why i think one more group is a waste |
| 17:52.10 | hoxu | zoddan, creating groups for specific purposes is standard in unix |
| 17:52.16 | zoddan | ok |
| 17:52.21 | valdyn | zoddan: so only 1 user needs to access there? |
| 17:52.26 | zoddan | yes |
| 17:52.30 | zoddan | and apache |
| 17:52.41 | valdyn | zoddan: apache just needs read permissions, it alread has that |
| 17:52.46 | zoddan | ok |
| 17:52.49 | cozub | it's a laptop with touchpad and a ps2 mouse... I see them under /dev/input/mouse1 and mouse0, what's odd: w/o X and w/o gpm running, doing od -t x1 /dev/input/mouse1 doesn't produce any output for moving the wheel (while it produces noise for other mouse events) |
| 17:52.51 | hoxu | zoddan, as for why I said be careful, whenever you deal with "chmod -R" it changes permissions of all files under the target recursively, and you can screw up your system permanently with that |
| 17:52.54 | valdyn | zoddan: chgrp zoddan www |
| 17:52.55 | zoddan | ok only 1 user then |
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| 17:53.07 | cozub | any tips? it seems the kernel was not handling the mouse wheel thing or something like that (?) |
| 17:53.18 | valdyn | zoddan: or even chown zoddan www |
| 17:53.22 | felipe1982 | streuner: isn't easier to install software than to sell and buy new Vcard? |
| 17:53.36 | zoddan | valdyn: isnt that moving the user to another group? |
| 17:53.50 | hoxu | zoddan, man chown |
| 17:53.53 | valdyn | zoddan: you cant ever move users to other groups |
| 17:53.58 | wols | zoddan: no |
| 17:53.59 | zoddan | ok |
| 17:54.04 | valdyn | zoddan: you can just add them to groups |
| 17:54.11 | valdyn | zoddan: and remove them from groups |
| 17:54.27 | zoddan | cannot access www: No such file or directory |
| 17:54.40 | valdyn | zoddan: haha |
| 17:54.43 | valdyn | zoddan: /var/www |
| 17:54.48 | zoddan | ok |
| 17:54.51 | hoxu | !flw |
| 17:54.52 | dpkg | (about reiser) < dan2> abrotman: it's always worked fine for me |
| 17:55.05 | zoddan | i was thinking of it as a group |
| 17:55.06 | zoddan | sorry |
| 17:55.07 | micols | why cant i mount my md0 raid with debian rescue mode ? |
| 17:55.10 | micols | on /target |
| 17:55.19 | valdyn | micols: you have to assemble the raid first |
| 17:55.21 | micols | an error occured it just says |
| 17:55.27 | valdyn | micols: if its not in /proc/mdstat, then its not assembled |
| 17:55.30 | micols | valdyn: any idea how i do this? mdadm is not avail |
| 17:55.36 | micols | its a debian etch 4.0 cd |
| 17:55.38 | micols | cd1 |
| 17:55.40 | valdyn | micols: you cant do it without mdadm |
| 17:55.47 | micols | is mdadm on cd1? |
| 17:55.53 | micols | it should be i think |
| 17:55.55 | micols | cant find it |
| 17:55.55 | zoddan | i cant write in it anyway :( |
| 17:55.57 | zoddan | didnt help |
| 17:56.06 | valdyn | zoddan: what did you do? |
| 17:56.12 | zoddan | chgrp |
| 17:56.24 | valdyn | zoddan: then you need to give the group write permissions still |
| 17:56.36 | zoddan | ok |
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| 17:57.01 | micols | valdyn: |
| 17:57.06 | Griz | Anyone? SSL for the cupsd admin page? Pretty Please? |
| 17:57.08 | micols | sbin/mdadm /dev/md0 returns my disks |
| 17:57.18 | micols | how do i initialize them |
| 17:57.27 | zoddan | hum cant find it in webmin |
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| 17:57.32 | valdyn | micols: mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 |
| 17:57.46 | micols | damn it says its already active |
| 17:57.48 | valdyn | zoddan: what the fuck are you using webmin for? |
| 17:57.54 | micols | but its not mounted valdyn |
| 17:58.05 | valdyn | micols: then mount it |
| 17:58.07 | zoddan | valdyn: i dont know how to use the console |
| 17:58.13 | valdyn | zoddan: then learn it |
| 17:58.17 | zoddan | no |
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| 17:58.26 | wols | zoddan: then you have no business running a server |
| 17:58.27 | wols | !webmin |
| 17:58.27 | hoxu | !tell zoddan about webmin |
| 17:58.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:58.28 | valdyn | your problem |
| 17:58.29 | micols | valdyn: it says mounting /dev/md0 on mnt failed invalid argument |
| 17:58.34 | xingu | hmm |
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| 17:58.44 | valdyn | micols: which command gives you that output? |
| 17:58.45 | micols | i tried -t xfs also (xfs fs) |
| 17:58.51 | micols | then it says structure needs cleaning |
| 17:58.53 | zoddan | i cant see any rights for the groups |
| 17:58.55 | xingu | "shred" can seriously hose linux's io subsystems |
| 17:58.56 | micols | so perhaps i should fsck before i mount |
| 17:59.04 | valdyn | micols: no |
| 17:59.08 | valdyn | micols: xfs does online fsck |
| 17:59.16 | shred | xingu: no i dont ;) |
| 17:59.17 | micols | right.. no fsck frontend for that one :) |
| 17:59.18 | valdyn | micols: at least if its not totally fucked it does |
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| 17:59.30 | xingu | shred: shred's dead, baby |
| 17:59.44 | nathanmuntz | would debian run good on a p3 500 with 256 memeory? |
| 17:59.45 | micols | i only got fsck.ext2 , ext3 , jfs |
| 17:59.58 | streuner | felipe1982: well, why asking us? ask nvidia and there support |
| 18:00.01 | numist | I want my debian server (lenny) to operate as an l2tp/ipsec vpn server... what packages provide this? it appears that xl2tpd doesn't come with ipsec, so do I install it along with openswan and tell them to play nicely together? |
| 18:00.10 | micols | my dmesg says (when booting rescue mode) raid: 1 raid set md0 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors, md bind sda1 bind sdb1 |
| 18:00.12 | zoddan | is it chmod or something? |
| 18:00.13 | Eulex | zoddan, but there are. it's just webmin that doesn't show them for you. |
| 18:00.22 | benjamindees | nathanmuntz, I use Etch on a P700 with 256 megs; it runs acceptably well. |
| 18:00.22 | valdyn | micols: wich mount comand failed? |
| 18:00.29 | zoddan | or chown? |
| 18:00.37 | micols | valdyn: both mount /dev/md0 mnt and -t xfs |
| 18:00.43 | nathanmuntz | whats etch ?? |
| 18:00.46 | micols | mount /dev/md0 -t xfs mnt |
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| 18:00.49 | valdyn | zoddan: chmod g+w /var/www |
| 18:00.52 | micols | when i am in / |
| 18:01.00 | benjamindees | nathanmuntz, Etch is debian stable |
| 18:01.01 | valdyn | micols: ls -ld /mnt |
| 18:01.13 | micols | valdyn: the -t xfs returns "failed: Structure needs cleaning" |
| 18:01.15 | nathanmuntz | ok |
| 18:01.24 | zoddan | valdyn: and i need to set a group |
| 18:01.32 | micols | valdyn: it returns wrxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 mnt |
| 18:01.32 | valdyn | zoddan: what? |
| 18:01.39 | zoddan | i need a group |
| 18:01.45 | valdyn | zoddan: what for? |
| 18:01.45 | zoddan | "Give write permission to the group) |
| 18:01.46 | zoddan | " |
| 18:01.55 | valdyn | zoddan: fuck webmin |
| 18:01.57 | micols | ofcourse d in front of those permissions, as its a dir :) |
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| 18:02.03 | zoddan | im nog talking about webmin |
| 18:02.06 | valdyn | zoddan: the shell command is chmod g+w /var/www |
| 18:02.09 | zoddan | im talking about the command you just said |
| 18:02.20 | zoddan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.21 | nathanmuntz | where would i get it from? |
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| 18:02.28 | valdyn | zoddan: yes |
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| 18:02.41 | zoddan | i need to specify what group |
| 18:02.48 | valdyn | zoddan: no |
| 18:03.01 | zoddan | how does it know what group to change? |
| 18:03.02 | valdyn | zoddan: the whole goddamn command is "chmod g+w /var/www" |
| 18:03.05 | felipe1982 | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidia-graphics-drivers does this mean I have to wait 4 days for nvidia drivers to appear in "unstable"? |
| 18:03.14 | valdyn | zoddan: do you understand what permissions are at all? |
| 18:03.21 | valdyn | zoddan: ever seen a file belonging to 2 groups? |
| 18:03.29 | streuner | felipe1982: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 18:03.33 | nathanmuntz | where would i get etch from? |
| 18:03.45 | streuner | !d-i nathanmuntz |
| 18:03.45 | dpkg | nathanmuntz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:03.48 | hoxu | !tell zoddan about grounding |
| 18:04.00 | stew | felipe1982: no, that means you have to wait at least 4 days for the package which is already in unstable to move to testing |
| 18:04.03 | valdyn | micols: you can run xfs_check |
| 18:04.09 | micols | valdyn: i cannot, its not included |
| 18:04.19 | valdyn | micols: get a better livecd then |
| 18:04.22 | micols | valdyn: i just tried mdrun which did seem promising, but it dumped in dmesg |
| 18:04.29 | valdyn | micols: or xfs_repair |
| 18:04.36 | micols | valdyn: tried that one too, not included |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | micols: your raid seems ok, according to what you pasted |
| 18:04.53 | nathanmuntz | do i have too download all 21 cds?? |
| 18:04.56 | Cebot|mobile | Hi, trying to install deb on my imac 1. Generation. Does anyone know what nic it has and what driver it is? |
| 18:04.57 | micols | valdyn: mdrun returns xfs: failed to locate log tail, log mount/recovery failed: error 117: log mount failed |
| 18:05.14 | valdyn | micols: maybe that fs never was xfs? |
| 18:05.17 | streuner | felipe1982: did you get the package out of unstable (nvidia-glx) and looked into README or such, there is a long list what is supported or not? |
| 18:05.25 | streuner | !d-i nathanmuntz |
| 18:05.25 | dpkg | nathanmuntz, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:05.33 | micols | valdyn: it is |
| 18:05.39 | streuner | natanmuntz: only 1 CD you need and read /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:05.50 | micols | valdyn: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 returns an active raid1 with sda1 and sdb1 in sync |
| 18:05.53 | wols | felipe1982: what nvidia card do you have? |
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| 18:05.57 | valdyn | micols: wonder what you did to it, xfs does not break that easily |
| 18:06.11 | micols | valdyn: i did play with my lilo |
| 18:06.12 | valdyn | micols: if its in /proc/mdstat then its defenitely ok |
| 18:06.25 | micols | it warned me about overwriting some partition or such |
| 18:06.34 | valdyn | micols: ok |
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| 18:06.45 | valdyn | micols: so you overwrote the start of md0, where xfs starts |
| 18:06.51 | micols | perhaps valdyn |
| 18:07.02 | valdyn | micols: get a livecd, try xfs_repair etc |
| 18:07.03 | micols | valdyn: thats what i understand from what it told me |
| 18:07.29 | micols | valdyn: i will try mounting an usb stick with xfs repair on it |
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| 18:07.57 | benjamindees | if I'm using cups to print a single 180mb print job consisting of around 450 pdf files, about how long should that take? |
| 18:08.14 | valdyn | benjamindees: as long as your printer takes |
| 18:08.26 | benjamindees | valdyn, it hasn't even gotten to the printer yet. |
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| 18:08.55 | micols | valdyn: can i install a .deb from rescue mode? |
| 18:08.57 | valdyn | benjamindees: i dont know how fast your computer is, but you can go and see how long pdf2ps takes.. |
| 18:08.58 | micols | i got xfsprogs.deb |
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| 18:09.09 | micols | live cd is too much a hassle |
| 18:09.24 | micols | or perhaps just extract it |
| 18:09.34 | benjamindees | micols, I'm sure you can. |
| 18:09.38 | peppe | benjamindees: don't do that |
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| 18:09.44 | Nick___ | s |
| 18:09.44 | micols | any idea how? its ramdisk |
| 18:10.06 | valdyn | micols: livecd is easier |
| 18:10.34 | felipe1982 | wols: i have 8600GT which can only be supported with nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 which I can't find |
| 18:10.43 | micols | which one do you recommend valdyn ? |
| 18:10.46 | micols | that has xfs_repair |
| 18:10.51 | valdyn | !info nvidia-glx sid |
| 18:10.53 | felipe1982 | streuner: dependency failure installing nvidia-glx, requires nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 which can't be found |
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| 18:10.55 | valdyn | micols: no idea |
| 18:10.56 | matisse | which is the main package of cups ? cupsys oder cupsys-common or what ? |
| 18:10.58 | peppe | benjamindees: the risk is to get your pdf2ps / gs killed by the OOM-killer, or to produce a *huge* temporary .ps file on disk. instead, print the pdfs in small groups |
| 18:11.00 | wols | felipe1982: unstable |
| 18:11.02 | dafe | hi all |
| 18:11.07 | valdyn | !tell matisse -about cups setup |
| 18:11.08 | wols | matisse: cups is the main package |
| 18:11.17 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 173.14.09-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7500 kB, Installed size: 22240 kB |
| 18:11.17 | dafe | hi all |
| 18:11.30 | dafe | can somebody help me with an iptables script |
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| 18:11.42 | wols | dafe: #iptables |
| 18:11.56 | dafe | i have a proxy/firewall configuration but the mail clients dont work |
| 18:11.58 | felipe1982 | wols: is this question? I can't find it in unstable.... |
| 18:12.06 | dafe | i asked there but nobody replies |
| 18:12.14 | felipe1982 | wols: i found this "nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 Too young. Only 6 of 10 days old" |
| 18:12.24 | matisse | wols, theres no such package, but i'll the dpkg hint |
| 18:12.25 | benjamindees | peppe, I get this in the cups logs: "PID 3322 (/usr/lib/cups/backend/lpd) stopped with status 1!" |
| 18:12.34 | wols | !info cups |
| 18:12.36 | dpkg | cups: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.7-7 (sid), Packaged size: 1884 kB, Installed size: 9544 kB |
| 18:12.40 | Kumool | will the latest version of pidgin work on debian etch? |
| 18:12.46 | wols | matisse: really? |
| 18:12.55 | Ghoston | helo every body..but today its not a good day .. :( i having problem with base system install.. |
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| 18:13.16 | Ghoston | and dont know wt to do.. |
| 18:13.37 | matisse | wols, "package cups is not available, but..." |
| 18:13.45 | Cebot|mobile | Ok guys, am on my cellphone here. The chat goes way to fast. So if any1 knows what nic and what driver i need to load for my 1st gen imac pls msg me |
| 18:13.52 | peppe | benjamindees: that's the point. remove the job and print small pdf files |
| 18:13.55 | stew | Ghoston: you'll have to be more specific |
| 18:14.03 | dcnoye | i just bumped a server from 1gb to 4gb of ram, the bios sees all 4gb at startup however, the os only appears to see 3gb via top (3239604k), how can i fix this limitation ? |
| 18:14.03 | wols | matisse: what debian? |
| 18:14.07 | Bushmills | Ghoston: have a cup of tea |
| 18:14.19 | matisse | wols, 4.0.3 net-install i think |
| 18:14.21 | Ghoston | ok..;) |
| 18:14.22 | wols | dcnoye: use a 64bit kernel |
| 18:14.36 | scatterp | if i make something how do i unmake it or remake it again new ? |
| 18:14.47 | dcnoye | wols good thinking, thanks |
| 18:14.49 | minus198 | how do I put a whole directory on the remote server with gftp? (I use sftp) |
| 18:15.04 | Ghoston | Bushmills linux image 2.6 amd 64 kernel is unable to install... |
| 18:15.06 | dcnoye | is that tricky to do ? |
| 18:15.06 | minus198 | gftp-text to be more specific |
| 18:15.22 | wols | dcnoye: no |
| 18:15.24 | stew | Ghoston: which installer are you using? |
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| 18:15.51 | abrotman | and which CPU ? |
| 18:15.52 | stew | Ghoston: and what makes you say "unable to install..."? do you get an error? |
| 18:16.00 | Ghoston | i m formated my pc and wanna try linus system..but im getting bored.. |
| 18:16.09 | Ghoston | yesh |
| 18:16.17 | minus198 | Ghoston$> why are you getting bored? |
| 18:16.22 | felipe1982 | wols: where do you suppose i can get the .deb for nvidia-kernel-173.14.09? |
| 18:16.28 | felipe1982 | wols: or do I wait 4 days? |
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| 18:16.30 | Ghoston | only erros are hapennig |
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| 18:16.45 | wols | felipe1982: I already told you: from unstable. and testing hasn't got nvidia drivers for a year now |
| 18:16.48 | Bushmills | really? |
| 18:16.52 | stew | Ghoston: tell us what errors you are getting |
| 18:16.55 | Bushmills | like what |
| 18:16.56 | abrotman | !br |
| 18:16.56 | wols | Ghoston: WHAT errors? |
| 18:16.57 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:17.00 | zoddan | i have added more dirs into the www and when i try to look at my pictures it says it cannot write, why? |
| 18:17.10 | micols | valdyn: i got it running now.. did dpkg --extract file.deb on laptop then copied the dir onto the failed comp.. then copied the shared libs , sbin programs etc. with cp -rf * / :) |
| 18:17.11 | Ghoston | ok.. |
| 18:17.15 | zoddan | didnt i just add rights so i dont have to do that everytime? |
| 18:17.16 | wols | zoddan: how do you try to write there? |
| 18:17.22 | micols | valdyn: seems like a lot of errors in that fs |
| 18:17.28 | Bushmills | no, "ok" is not an error |
| 18:17.29 | zoddan | wols: just goin into the page |
| 18:17.46 | scatterp | if i make something how do i unmake it or remake it again new ? |
| 18:17.49 | wols | zoddan: going to the page doesn't need write priviledges... |
| 18:17.52 | micols | i just wonder if it would have been as easy as dpkg -i file.deb in rescue mode? |
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| 18:17.58 | micols | im not sure one can install on ramdisk? |
| 18:18.02 | wols | scatterp: make clean if the makefile supports it |
| 18:18.06 | zoddan | wols: yes it does, my picture system has a counter that writes |
| 18:18.10 | zoddan | wols: imagesystem |
| 18:18.19 | wols | zoddan: very useless system |
| 18:18.24 | zoddan | wols: not for me |
| 18:18.28 | scatterp | thanks |
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| 18:18.32 | micols | fun.. it filled my lost+found up, now the raid array run out of space :) |
| 18:18.34 | hellop | what is the difference between the commands tc and ip, verses iptables? |
| 18:18.36 | zoddan | wols: http://192.168.0.2/bilder/index.php?dir=%2FDatorer%2FITX&page=&prev=IMG_0882.jpg |
| 18:18.44 | micols | fatal error |
| 18:18.45 | adama | hehe |
| 18:18.45 | Bushmills | lol |
| 18:18.52 | zoddan | wols: Webserver cannon write counter file |
| 18:18.53 | Bushmills | interesting ip address |
| 18:18.57 | zoddan | ops :P |
| 18:19.00 | zoddan | forgott to chnage it |
| 18:19.10 | zoddan | wols: http://lurix.net/bilder/index.php?dir=%2FDatorer%2FITX&page=&prev=IMG_0882.jpg |
| 18:19.12 | Ghoston | !! install the base system> unable to install the selected kernel> kernel package:'linux-image-2.6-amd64'>check /var/log/syslog or see virtula console 4 for te details |
| 18:19.33 | wols | Ghoston: and what does virtual console 4 say? |
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| 18:19.52 | felipe1982 | wols: it isn't in unstable. I looked through package.debian.org |
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| 18:20.31 | stew | felipe1982: no, its a package you build from nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:20.33 | zoddan | wols: ? |
| 18:20.34 | felipe1982 | wols: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 18:20.50 | felipe1982 | stew: oh. |
| 18:21.03 | micols | valdyn: i still got it mounted now :) after xfsrepair failed |
| 18:21.09 | Ghoston | ok Bushmills.. remeber i m newest on linux system and dont know how read details on virtual consele... :( |
| 18:21.16 | stew | felipe1982: iirc, the documentation in nvidia-glx explains this |
| 18:21.21 | zoddan | wols: any tip? |
| 18:21.27 | abrotman | Ghoston: hit ctrl-alt-f4 .. look at console 4 |
| 18:21.28 | wols | stew: you don't build nvidia-glx from nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:21.33 | Bushmills | Ghoston: alt-f4 |
| 18:21.36 | wols | and nvidia-glx IS in sid |
| 18:21.52 | stew | wols: sorry, i thought he was talking about nvidia-kernel-$version |
| 18:21.52 | wols | zoddan: get a new image script. this one is crap |
| 18:22.10 | zoddan | wols: no its not, and there is no better |
| 18:22.31 | micols | valdyn: ever tried losing your lilo.conf from /etc ? |
| 18:22.41 | micols | valdyn: i have chrooted to the raid now.. lilo.conf is lost, after xfs repair |
| 18:22.46 | felipe1982 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 Package not available |
| 18:22.58 | wols | zoddan: since it needs the webserver to have write access to every directory, it's shit. pure and simple |
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| 18:23.16 | chops | felipe1982: Got non-free in your sources? |
| 18:23.25 | wols | felipe1982: amd64 or i386? |
| 18:23.27 | zoddan | wols: why? i think it is good |
| 18:23.30 | felipe1982 | chops: unstable main non-free contrib |
| 18:23.41 | felipe1982 | wols,chops: i386 |
| 18:23.45 | wols | felipe1982: I am downloading the file as we speak |
| 18:23.54 | zoddan | wols: you just set write permission on all dirs a |
| 18:24.01 | felipe1982 | nvidia-glx is there - but it won't install because of unsatisfied deps |
| 18:24.06 | chops | felipe1982: Can you pastebin your sources.list, and the exact command you're running, and the full output of that command? |
| 18:24.07 | wols | zoddan: it's insecure to the max |
| 18:24.16 | zoddan | wols: so what to use then? |
| 18:24.31 | chops | zoddan: I (and, I think, most people here) do not recommend that you do that. If you insist on doing it anyway, you're on your own I guess. |
| 18:24.34 | wols | felipe1982: yes. as stew said: you need the kernel module too which you build from the nvidia-kernel.source |
| 18:24.53 | zoddan | chops: so what to use instead? |
| 18:24.56 | wols | zoddan: any which doesn't need write priviledges everywhere |
| 18:25.02 | zoddan | and that is? |
| 18:25.28 | felipe1982 | i have to build the kernel module --- now we are getting somewhere. |
| 18:25.35 | wols | coppermine probably |
| 18:26.08 | scatterp | how would i install openssl wols ? |
| 18:26.09 | zoddan | wols: ? |
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| 18:26.28 | chops | zoddan: webcamd, vgrabbj... see http://www.google.com/search?q=webcam+script+debian |
| 18:26.43 | wols | scatterp: do you have ssh installed? |
| 18:26.44 | zoddan | what does webcam has to do with anything? |
| 18:26.59 | scatterp | yes |
| 18:27.04 | zoddan | and that didnt help |
| 18:27.08 | wols | scatterp: then you have openssl already |
| 18:27.15 | chops | zoddan: That's not a live webcam? In that case gallery is good. |
| 18:27.33 | zoddan | chops: no its not a webcam, it a picture gallery |
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| 18:27.40 | scatterp | crypto.h:12:26: error: openssl/hmac.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:27.41 | scatterp | ? |
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| 18:27.43 | chops | zoddan: I hadn't even considered the possibility that you were having trouble finding a script that just displays some images in a gallery. There are a ton of those. |
| 18:27.44 | zoddan | and gallery is to complicated to use |
| 18:27.45 | JinLing | hello. I would like to remove a few Apps totally from my system. Does # aptitude purge <app> do the trick or must i do something else ? |
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| 18:27.54 | chops | zoddan: Okay, good luck then. I'm not going to argue. |
| 18:27.55 | wols | scatterp: -dev package |
| 18:27.55 | zoddan | i dont want to create groups and stuff |
| 18:28.00 | valdyn | JinLing: <package>, thats a difference |
| 18:28.08 | zoddan | i just want to copy over the pictures and thats it |
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| 18:28.10 | scatterp | wols what would that package name be ? |
| 18:28.13 | zoddan | and it does the rest |
| 18:28.14 | wols | zoddan: if you don't like the advice, we won't give any anymore. good luck |
| 18:28.15 | scatterp | wols openssl-dev ? |
| 18:28.23 | wols | something like that |
| 18:28.26 | zoddan | haha |
| 18:28.49 | hellop | darn, I guess netselect-apt is still broken in etch... |
| 18:28.49 | zoddan | wols: you havent said any advice on what to use ... |
| 18:29.04 | scatterp | wols not found i dont get how you figure out the package names |
| 18:29.05 | zoddan | it was chops |
| 18:29.07 | wols | zoddan: I did. if you are too ignorant to see it, it's not my problem |
| 18:29.13 | scatterp | wols do you just know them or is it guess work ? |
| 18:29.13 | zoddan | ... |
| 18:29.15 | zoddan | no you didnt |
| 18:29.19 | wols | scatterp: apt-cache search openssl |grep dev |
| 18:29.23 | zoddan | wols: past it here |
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| 18:29.27 | wols | puts the kid on ignore |
| 18:29.35 | JinLing | valdyn, so # aptitude purge <package> will do the trick ? |
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| 18:29.50 | zoddan | HAHAH |
| 18:29.53 | valdyn | JinLing: it completely removes the <package> |
| 18:29.54 | zoddan | dumb ass :P |
| 18:30.24 | zoddan | chops: wols it trying to take your credit :P |
| 18:31.29 | scatterp | wol thanks makes a lot more sense |
| 18:31.32 | chops | discovers that pidgin has an ignore feature also :-) |
| 18:31.42 | wols | chops: it's bliss |
| 18:31.53 | chops | wols: Hehe |
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| 18:32.14 | chops | wols: I've never actually felt the need to use it before... but I have a feeling that once I get used to it, it'll become quite addictive |
| 18:32.23 | JinLing | valdyn, when i for instance install a package and its dependencies, the aptitude purge the same package, will the dependencies also be removed then ? i recall that not to happend. Is there a way to remove the dependencies along with the package without having to look up all the dependencies? |
| 18:32.26 | wols | just purge the list once in a while |
| 18:32.34 | grul | ignoring people because they say a few stupid things is like killing yourself because you're a little sad one day |
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| 18:32.46 | valdyn | JinLing: aptitude does that, by default, i think |
| 18:32.50 | wols | grul: ignoring people who call you a dumb ass is a necessity |
| 18:33.17 | grul | well, it proves their point |
| 18:33.33 | wols | you really are new here |
| 18:33.42 | chops | grul: How long have you been on IRC, exactly? |
| 18:34.04 | valdyn | grul: ignoring is just ignoring, its convenient |
| 18:34.07 | grul | no, but i believe that everyone can have a bad day, and on other days contribute with vital information |
| 18:34.15 | abrotman | or you could just drop it |
| 18:34.29 | xingu | I'm intrigued to know how you go about unkilling yourself once you feel less sad the next day |
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| 18:34.51 | felipe1982 | I think the way it goes is, if you want help, you get help, on the help-givers terms and conditions |
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| 18:35.07 | valdyn | felipe1982: sure |
| 18:35.08 | zoddan | anyone have any advice on a good gallery? |
| 18:35.15 | abrotman | zoddan: gallery2 or igal |
| 18:35.19 | chops | grul: If I think I've seen enough to demonstrate that someone's future conversations are not going to bring me anything but distraction and irritation, it behooves me to avoid those conversations. |
| 18:35.30 | grul | chops, fine :) |
| 18:35.36 | felipe1982 | behooves - lol |
| 18:35.41 | valdyn | debian has a gallery package |
| 18:35.43 | chops | grul: There's always the possibility that I'm wrong... but in that case the only disadvantage is a little less IRC |
| 18:35.59 | stew | chops: grul: please take this conversation elsewhere |
| 18:36.15 | grul | stew, I think we're done, but thanks |
| 18:36.30 | JinLing | valdyn, for example, if i was to # aptitude purge virtualbox .... and by next reboot will there still be a .virtualbox in my /home/user/ directory ? |
| 18:36.43 | seepgood_ | zoddan: if you don't need anything fancy llgal is really nice and easy |
| 18:36.58 | valdyn | JinLing: oh, yes, debian package management does not touch ~/ |
| 18:37.31 | valdyn | JinLing: for all i know, no distro touches ~/ |
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| 18:37.48 | felipe1982 | wols: stew: will the packaged nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 come out in 4 days? (it said too young, day 6 of 10) |
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| 18:38.00 | zoddan | seepgood_: do i have to upload all the pictures and stuff ? |
| 18:38.10 | abrotman | zoddan: as opposed to? |
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| 18:38.19 | cheef-daniel | hi |
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| 18:38.25 | zoddan | abrotman: just copy them over via samba into the www dir as i do now |
| 18:38.27 | valdyn | JinLing: purge refers to files in /etc, which are not removed with the standard "remove" |
| 18:38.33 | xingu | hellop: tc is for maniuplating the traffic shaping rules; ip is for manipulating the network stack; iptables is for manipulating packet filtering rules. |
| 18:38.33 | seepgood_ | yes upload and run llgal in the directory and wait and your done |
| 18:38.45 | abrotman | zoddan: some gallery apps will scan a directory .. |
| 18:38.45 | JinLing | valdyn, so i would have to $ rm ~/.virtualbox by myself ? |
| 18:38.47 | valdyn | JinLing: yep |
| 18:38.52 | zoddan | abrotman: it is not verry nice to upload like 400 pictures |
| 18:38.57 | zoddan | when every pic is 5-6MB |
| 18:39.09 | zoddan | thats why i prefer to just copy them over |
| 18:39.16 | zoddan | mutch faster |
| 18:39.19 | stew | felipe1982: that is the minimum time it is going to take the source package named "nvidia-kernel-173.14.09" which is already in unstable to move to testing. you are looking for a binary pacakge with the same name. afaik, no such binary package is in debian, but you can build on from the nvidia-kernel-source package. please read the description of the nvidia-glx package |
| 18:39.22 | JinLing | and everything related to virtualbox is then removed from my system for good? |
| 18:39.28 | JinLing | valdyn, ^^^ |
| 18:39.42 | zoddan | and i can have 2 seperate gallerys |
| 18:39.43 | geolr | hi all, does anyone have any idea if i can use software off a removable device aka usb-stick on a debian system? Like portable apps work on win$$ |
| 18:39.45 | valdyn | JinLing: everything created by the debian package management |
| 18:39.47 | zoddan | can i have that with igal? |
| 18:39.51 | zoddan | abrotman |
| 18:39.58 | valdyn | JinLing: not the virtual machine images or whatever |
| 18:40.05 | abrotman | zoddan: you'll have to read the docs/description .. i can't recall |
| 18:40.11 | zoddan | .... |
| 18:40.19 | JinLing | valdyn, yes thought so too, but thats ok... thank you very much |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | ..!! |
| 18:40.29 | cheef-daniel | when I try to execute 'start-stop-daemon ...' I get the 'Permission denied' error and can't find out where the problem is, can you help me? |
| 18:40.34 | zoddan | anyway, how do i solve the write permission problem? |
| 18:40.47 | abrotman | cheef-daniel: are you root ? |
| 18:40.56 | valdyn | JinLing: debian package management covers specific files, if a package like a database created databases, then those are not covered by the management |
| 18:41.02 | cheef-daniel | abrotman: yes |
| 18:41.14 | cheef-daniel | the command is: start-stop-daemon --start --user svn --chuid svn:svn --chroot /var/chroot/svn --startas /usr/bin/svnserve |
| 18:41.17 | valdyn | JinLing: same as ~/.* cant be covered |
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| 18:41.38 | zoddan | can i just change it with chmor -R 777 /var/www ? |
| 18:41.38 | Bushmills | geolr: doesn't matter where an executable is started from, as long as it finds all it needs (libs, config...) |
| 18:41.38 | paet|lap | !tell paet|lap about cursors |
| 18:41.41 | zoddan | d |
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| 18:41.48 | benjamindees | !tell geolr about wine |
| 18:42.00 | abrotman | zoddan: no |
| 18:42.03 | zoddan | why? |
| 18:42.09 | abrotman | because this isn't DOS |
| 18:42.16 | zoddan | what? |
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| 18:42.25 | chops | Hahaha |
| 18:42.26 | zoddan | im not talking about dos |
| 18:42.34 | zoddan | i have done that before and it works |
| 18:42.37 | zoddan | so why not now? |
| 18:42.39 | Decepticon | im trying to get tv-out to work on my nvidia card. i remmeber that when i had my tv hooked up via s-video, from boot, i could see bios post, and eventually see the desktop... now i have a older tv, one without s-video or any inputs besides coaxial.. so i have to use vcr as an intermediate... i plugged in svideo to rca composite video into vcr, coaxial to tv. i see flickrs when i stop/start gdm |
| 18:42.51 | stew | zoddan: you pretty much never want to use 777 |
| 18:42.54 | chops | At the risk of offending stew further, this conversation is actually very entertaining without being able to see zoddan's side ("... because this isn't DOS.") :-) |
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| 18:43.04 | zoddan | stew: why? |
| 18:43.18 | stew | zoddan: its not safe |
| 18:43.20 | Decepticon | so i dont even see the bios post on this older tv... but i know its somewhat working because when i stop/start gdm, besides the constant blue screen (indicating no signal), i see a flicker when i start/stop gdm |
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| 18:43.30 | zoddan | stew: well there are not other solution |
| 18:43.38 | zoddan | -t |
| 18:43.39 | stew | zoddan: yes, there is |
| 18:43.43 | zoddan | what? |
| 18:43.43 | Decepticon | any ideas |
| 18:44.01 | abrotman | if the answer is 777 you asked the wrong question |
| 18:44.11 | cheef-daniel | the exact error-message: 'start-stop-daemon: Unable to start /usr/bin/svnserve: Permission denied (Permission denied)' |
| 18:44.13 | stew | zoddan: add add the users that need write access to the directory to the same group, and give that group write permission |
| 18:44.31 | zoddan | stew: the problem it that i add new directorys everyday |
| 18:44.35 | wols | we're going in circles here chops |
| 18:44.41 | zoddan | stew: should i add new rules everyday to then? |
| 18:44.52 | stew | zoddan: add the group sticky bit |
| 18:44.59 | zoddan | sticky bit? |
| 18:45.02 | stew | zoddan: yes |
| 18:45.04 | stew | zoddan: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:45.17 | zoddan | stew: so what do i change then? |
| 18:45.22 | stew | zoddan: the group sticky bit |
| 18:45.25 | xingu | Decepticon: http://rafb.net/p/RU7d1k92.txt <-- mine, for sid+upstream'ly current xorg/nvidia. |
| 18:45.36 | zoddan | and what does that do? |
| 18:45.40 | stew | zoddan: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 18:45.43 | hereje | Hi... I've write a python script 2 send me a xmpp alerts from ZABBIX... Now, i need to know what parameters and in what order zabbix put them with my script... |
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| 18:46.07 | wols | hereje: look at the source of zabbix? |
| 18:46.15 | cheef-daniel | strace shows it gets the permission denied on 'execve' |
| 18:46.20 | zoddan | stew: "When a directory has the sticky bit turned on, nobody can delete or rename anybody else's files from that directory, even though they have write" |
| 18:46.27 | zoddan | stew: i cant have i that way |
| 18:46.27 | chops | cheef-daniel: What are the permissions on svnserve? |
| 18:46.29 | Bushmills | wow. "17 private messages suppressed" |
| 18:46.31 | stew | zoddan: wrong sticky bit |
| 18:46.37 | felipe1982 | stew: thanks |
| 18:46.38 | Decepticon | xingu why would xorg.conf even matter, when i cannot even get it to show bios post |
| 18:46.46 | felipe1982 | stew: i tried to following >> hmm... nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 18:46.50 | Decepticon | xingu i distinctly remmeber seeing bios post on my other tv |
| 18:46.54 | wols | Decepticon: xorg has to set up the TV out |
| 18:46.54 | zoddan | stew: there is no other |
| 18:46.58 | felipe1982 | stew: and I still have dependency problems..... |
| 18:46.59 | stew | zoddan: there are two others |
| 18:47.03 | Decepticon | wols for bios post ? |
| 18:47.05 | zoddan | stew: not that i see |
| 18:47.07 | wols | felipe1982: cause you didn't backport |
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| 18:47.19 | felipe1982 | stew: it asks for nvidia-kernel-173...blahblah |
| 18:47.26 | Decepticon | wols i thought xorg.conf would be for things after the bios posted, and gdm loaded |
| 18:47.28 | xingu | Decepticon: http://rafb.net/p/0WuQkt78.txt <-- now with added fu. |
| 18:47.36 | wols | felipe1982: have you built that module it asks for? |
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| 18:47.43 | zoddan | stew: so whats the point? |
| 18:47.44 | cheef-daniel | chops: svn.svn 755 |
| 18:47.56 | stew | zoddan: sorry, i mean there are twi different sticky bits |
| 18:48.01 | stew | zoddan: the point of what? |
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| 18:48.11 | xingu | Decepticon: see usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/README.txt.gz: UseDisplayDevice |
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| 18:48.16 | zoddan | stew: so how do i turn it on and so on? |
| 18:48.30 | felipe1982 | wols: stew: i installed linux-headers-$(uname -r) and module-assistant, and received no errors, until I tried to instal nvidia-glx (unstable) and I still have dependency errors |
| 18:48.46 | stew | zoddan: with chmod |
| 18:48.54 | wols | felipe1982: you need to USE module-assistant. not just install it |
| 18:48.55 | felipe1982 | wols: stew: yes i built the package (nvndia) |
| 18:48.56 | zoddan | stew: ye, chmod -R 777 |
| 18:48.59 | wols | !tell felipe1982 about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:49.02 | stew | zoddan: no, you never want 777 |
| 18:49.06 | Decepticon | xingu my point is that i think something else is at hand besides my xorg.conf..... because i remember with my old tv (via s-video) i could see the BIOS post from boot...... now with this other tv which doesnt have s-video and i have to use my vcr intermediate, i cannot see the bios post even |
| 18:49.06 | wols | felipe1982: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 18:49.16 | stew | zoddan: i'm talking about turning the sticky bit on, not 777 |
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| 18:49.20 | zoddan | stew: why?, it seems to be the only way, i cant see another solution |
| 18:49.22 | chops | cheef-daniel: Can you pastebin the invocation of the start-stop-daemon command with full output, and the output of 'ls -l /usr/bin/svnserve'? |
| 18:49.27 | zoddan | stew: then tell me how |
| 18:49.29 | stew | zoddan: there is a better solution |
| 18:49.33 | stew | zoddan: i'm am telling you how |
| 18:49.39 | zoddan | no |
| 18:49.42 | felipe1982 | wols: stew: I read the dpkg message, that's where I got the instructions to install module-assistant |
| 18:49.44 | zoddan | you just said chmod |
| 18:49.45 | Decepticon | xingu doesnt that mean that is before xorg.conf's domain... (the bios posting being shown on TV) |
| 18:49.46 | zoddan | and? |
| 18:49.52 | stew | 14:44 < stew> zoddan: add add the users that need write access to the directory to the same group, and give that group write permission 14:44 < stew> zoddan: add the group sticky bit |
| 18:49.59 | wols | felipe1982: what does the dpkg command I gave you say? |
| 18:49.59 | xingu | Decepticon: it may well be that your vcr doesn't loop the required pins on the svideo cable |
| 18:50.07 | zoddan | so what user is it? |
| 18:50.15 | stew | zoddan: you'll possibly also want to have the users creating files do so with umask 002 instead of 022 |
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| 18:50.25 | xingu | Decepticon: ie, so that the board's sensor for display_attached? fails. |
| 18:50.26 | Decepticon | xingu yes, i am also thinking that... i have tried two svideo-to-rca cables now |
| 18:50.27 | stew | zoddan: shouldn't matter |
| 18:50.38 | zoddan | stew: so how do i do then? |
| 18:50.44 | stew | zoddan: do what? |
| 18:50.48 | zoddan | stew: i need ti know what user |
| 18:50.52 | stew | zoddan: any user |
| 18:50.54 | felipe1982 | wols: rc nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486 173.14.09-2+2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6 NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18\ |
| 18:51.00 | zoddan | stew: ok ... |
| 18:51.00 | xingu | Decepticon: in which case forcing the display to be connected (via UseDisplayDevice) may hold the answer... |
| 18:51.04 | zoddan | stew: add anyuser ? |
| 18:51.07 | stew | zoddan: or what do you mean by "what user |
| 18:51.07 | stew | K |
| 18:51.13 | felipe1982 | wols: ii nvidia-kernel-source 173.14.09-2 NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 18:51.14 | Decepticon | xingu my old working set up was: GeForce FX5500 -> svideo cable -> TV ...... now it is GeForce FX5500 -> svideo-to-rca cable -> vcr -> coaxial cable -> tv |
| 18:51.19 | stew | zoddan: what do you mean by "add anyuser ?"? |
| 18:51.24 | zoddan | add user |
| 18:51.30 | stew | zoddan: i don't understand the question |
| 18:51.50 | zoddan | i need to know what user i have to chnage the permissions for |
| 18:51.54 | wols | felipe1982: NOT the source. pastebin the output of the command |
| 18:51.57 | stew | zoddan: you don't |
| 18:52.07 | zoddan | ok so how do i do? |
| 18:52.26 | xingu | Decepticon: I'm using 7600go->svideo cable->svideo-to-composite-barrel-connector->composite cable->tv |
| 18:52.28 | stew | 14:49 < stew> 14:44 < stew> zoddan: add add the users that need write access to the directory to the same group, and give that group write permission 14:44 < stew> zoddan: add the group sticky bit 14:50 < stew> zoddan: you'll possibly also want to have the users creating files do so with umask 002 instead of 022 |
| 18:52.39 | zoddan | i dont know what user it is |
| 18:52.48 | zoddan | how am i supose to add that user in a group then |
| 18:53.02 | cheef-daniel | chops: do you need the invocation of start-stop-daemon with or without strace? |
| 18:53.21 | chops | cheef-daniel: With strace would be nice... if that's a PITA, without strace is probably okay |
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| 18:53.48 | stew | zoddan: you are telling me that you want to let a user write to this directory, but you don't know which user? |
| 18:53.52 | Decepticon | xingu even if there is a problem with my xorg.conf that i should look to UseDisplayDevice for, shouldnt my BIOS posting be at least visible on the TV? |
| 18:53.55 | zoddan | if i have to add a user in a group i need to know the user |
| 18:54.08 | zoddan | stew: no i dont |
| 18:54.16 | felipe1982 | wols: http://pastebin.com/me34e3e7 |
| 18:54.18 | xingu | Decepticon: it uses the same logic (the same hw sensor) as the driver to work out what displays are connected |
| 18:54.30 | zoddan | stew: i want my gallery to be able to write in the var/www when i create new dirs for new pics |
| 18:54.47 | wols | felipe1982: the 173 nvidia kernel module is not installed |
| 18:54.51 | Decepticon | xingu ok i will look into UseDisplayDevice then |
| 18:54.55 | wols | felipe1982: only the source for it is |
| 18:55.07 | stew | zoddan: what user does your gallery run as? it runs in apache? |
| 18:55.08 | felipe1982 | wols: m-a a-i nvidia was what the instructions say |
| 18:55.19 | zoddan | stew: dunno, it is just a script |
| 18:55.23 | wols | felipe1982: and it built the module for 2.6.18 (etch) |
| 18:55.27 | stew | zoddan: well find out |
| 18:55.30 | zoddan | how? |
| 18:55.42 | stew | zoddan: what scipt is it? |
| 18:55.46 | zoddan | GIS |
| 18:55.47 | stew | zoddan: who runs the script? |
| 18:55.53 | zoddan | dunno |
| 18:56.04 | felipe1982 | wols: i ran "m-a a-i nvidia" again. And install of nvidia-glx worked |
| 18:56.09 | xingu | Decepticon: nb, it'll take some tweaking to get the DPI correct; TV sets this old have phosphor dots the size of small planets, so stock pixels/dimension math doesn't necessarily work how you'd expect. |
| 18:56.12 | micols | anyone experienced blank screen with ati fglrx driver? |
| 18:56.24 | stew | zoddan: how did you install the script? |
| 18:56.24 | micols | when starting xorg , it crashes and leaves screen blank. |
| 18:56.33 | zoddan | stew: i dont install it |
| 18:56.35 | xingu | Decepticon: hence the bits in that config that set DPI appropriately |
| 18:56.40 | wols | micols: check your Xorg log |
| 18:56.41 | zoddan | stew: i just copy over the index.php file |
| 18:56.43 | stew | zoddan: ask whomever did then |
| 18:56.46 | micols | wols: not much help there |
| 18:56.55 | wols | micols: also what videocard exactly? |
| 18:56.58 | zoddan | and thats it |
| 18:57.01 | micols | wols: http://pastebin.com/m321288ea |
| 18:57.10 | micols | wols: x1950pro i have had this issue for 1½years now |
| 18:57.25 | micols | wols: works with 'ati' driver, but fglrx crashes xorg |
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| 18:57.52 | wols | ask nyle when he's around. I thought he had the same card |
| 18:57.55 | micols | wols: even tried disabling both agpgart and nvidia_agp modules one at a time and using kernel framebuffer dev in xorg for testing |
| 18:58.18 | zoddan | stew: http://lurix.net/bilder/ thats it |
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| 18:58.54 | zoddan | stew: and i click anyone of them it says it cant write |
| 18:59.17 | stew | zoddan: if this is running under apache or apache2 the user would be www-data unless you changred it |
| 18:59.23 | zoddan | ok |
| 18:59.27 | zoddan | then it is www-data |
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| 18:59.44 | zoddan | why dont www-data has permission to write in www then? |
| 19:00.07 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I create a short cut on the desktop using a terminal? I have to automate the process using a Shell Script |
| 19:00.29 | stew | zoddan: ask the system administrator |
| 19:00.35 | zoddan | stew: thats me |
| 19:00.36 | abrotman | ouch! |
| 19:00.38 | stew | zoddan: then you tell us |
| 19:00.45 | abrotman | Jemt: look at a current one .. then figure it out |
| 19:00.49 | zoddan | stew: so how do i change so www-data can write? |
| 19:00.56 | Jemt | abrotman: Do you know where they are located ? |
| 19:01.01 | zoddan | stew: and so it can write when i add new dirs |
| 19:01.05 | halflife08 | i screwed up big time, i can no longer get mail logs, i had stopped postfix process and moved the existing logs files /var/log/mail.{log,info,warn} to other files, then touch /var/log/mail.{log,info,warn} and changed the user owner ship to root:adm, but now i no longer get any mail.log entries |
| 19:01.11 | halflife08 | would appreciate some help to fix this |
| 19:01.17 | stew | zoddan: i've told you already 3 times. if you don't understand what I've told you, ask a more specific quesitn |
| 19:01.35 | zoddan | stew: how do i add so www-data can write in that dir? |
| 19:01.47 | felipe1982 | * * should I have "option usefbdev true" in xorg.conf? Will graphics be faster with it, or without it? |
| 19:01.51 | stew | zoddan: i've told you already 3 times. if you don't understand what I've told you, ask a more specific quesitn |
| 19:01.54 | valdyn | felipe1982: no |
| 19:01.57 | zoddan | i just did |
| 19:02.06 | Bushmills | Jemt: "shortcut" as in symblolic link, or in ".desktop file" ? |
| 19:02.13 | zoddan | stew: add www-data grp something? |
| 19:02.19 | stew | zoddan: hi |
| 19:02.32 | zoddan | stew: ? |
| 19:02.34 | Jemt | Bushmills: Ah, they are called .desktop - that's right. I should be able to 'locate' them now. Thanks :) |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | gets the air popper ready |
| 19:02.43 | stew | zoddan: what does "add www-data grp something?" mean? i don't understand the question |
| 19:02.48 | felipe1982 | * does default etch install use x-font-server? There is no "unix:/-1" in xorg.conf. Is it needed? |
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| 19:02.57 | zoddan | anyonw knows how to add a group so it can write in a dir? |
| 19:03.15 | felipe1982 | zoddan: groupadd i think |
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| 19:03.22 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:03.32 | geolr | Bushmills: hmm, so the package (namely grass) needs to be on the removable filesystem tree. But if i would install with configure/make/make install there go many libs in root. Can I prevent this, maybe use a directory prefix? |
| 19:03.42 | halflife08 | nevermind, fix the log issue |
| 19:04.03 | wols | geolr: configure --help |
| 19:04.15 | zoddan | felipe1982: problem is i dont know what i have to add it in |
| 19:04.35 | geolr | To clarify: only linux software to be run off the usb-stick. |
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| 19:04.52 | felipe1982 | zoddan: open a terminal, and type "groupadd mynewgroupname" as root user |
| 19:05.04 | zoddan | felipe: i allredy have a group |
| 19:05.16 | wols | geolr: I'd compile statically then |
| 19:05.31 | zoddan | felipe: i just want that group to have the permission to write in a specific dir |
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| 19:06.05 | javatexan | can someone point me to the emdebian IRC? |
| 19:06.24 | felipe1982 | zoddan: then try in a terminal "chown :mynewgroupname /path/to/mydirectory/" |
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| 19:06.45 | zoddan | felipe1982: do i have to do that everytime i add a dir into that dir? |
| 19:06.53 | Bushmills | geolr: can you specify where the program will be able to find its libs when you start it? if not, there's not much point to install them on removable storage device. |
| 19:07.04 | felipe1982 | zoddan: will you be adding dirs often? |
| 19:07.10 | zoddan | felipe1982: yes |
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| 19:08.10 | AwesomeGuy | why doesn't sound juicer have support for ripping from a cd to mp3 |
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| 19:08.17 | stew | zoddan: change the umask of the user creating new directories and make the directories have the group sticky bit |
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| 19:08.21 | abrotman | !tell AwesomeGuy about lame |
| 19:08.35 | zoddan | felipe1982: ? |
| 19:08.36 | stew | AwesomeGuy: debian doesn't ship mp3 encoders becuase they are protected by patent in some places |
| 19:08.37 | felipe1982 | zoddan: then you can modify your "user" account (maybe called "zoddan") and make its primary group and member of mynewgroup. Each time username "zoddan" makes a new directory there it will be part of mynewgroup |
| 19:08.54 | zoddan | felipe1982: ok |
| 19:09.07 | zoddan | felipe1982: the group is www-data and the user is daniel |
| 19:09.19 | felipe1982 | zoddan: or try chmod g+s /path/to/mydirectory -R |
| 19:09.30 | zoddan | ok |
| 19:09.41 | geolr | Bushmills: no idea, the program should search for libs only in its own tree. Relative paths instead of absolute since the latter could be varying on every system. |
| 19:10.01 | zoddan | felipe1982: will that fix the problem with new dirs? |
| 19:10.08 | stew | zoddan: you do not want to make www-data the primary group of daniel |
| 19:10.08 | felipe1982 | chown :www-data /path/to/dir -R && chmod g+s /path/to/dir -R |
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| 19:10.17 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.18 | felipe1982 | zoddan: google "GUID" |
| 19:10.27 | geolr | AwesomeGuy: patent issues. mp3 is a restricted format. |
| 19:10.27 | zoddan | felipe1982: i still get the same error |
| 19:10.50 | felipe1982 | zoddan: what error? |
| 19:10.53 | stew | zoddan: you are missing some basic knowlege on unix filesystem permissions, you need to read: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 19:10.56 | zoddan | cant write |
| 19:10.57 | cheef-daniel | chops: sorry, it took longer, here is the link: http://pastebin.org/47395 |
| 19:11.15 | zoddan | felipe1982: Web server cannot write counter file |
| 19:11.16 | felipe1982 | zoddan: learn about GUID - you can google it in your language |
| 19:11.17 | geolr | well so, I will need to try install in the removable tree and see what happens. Thx I have to leave. |
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| 19:11.42 | zoddan | all done |
| 19:11.43 | zoddan | now it works |
| 19:11.56 | AwesomeGuy | well windows media player can rip to mp3's without installing extra things, guess debian isn't as good with music players. |
| 19:11.59 | felipe1982 | zoddan: you need to give write permission. type: chmod 2775 /path/to/dir -R |
| 19:12.01 | stew | cheef-daniel: is /var mounted noexec? |
| 19:12.06 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: depends how you look at it |
| 19:12.14 | zoddan | felipe1982: allredy fixt it |
| 19:12.18 | cheef-daniel | stew: no |
| 19:12.25 | felipe1982 | zoddan: how |
| 19:12.26 | felipe1982 | ? |
| 19:12.31 | Baloo | AwesomeGuy: Umm, you are aware that your comment just made you look extremely ignorant about the MP3 format's licensing, right? |
| 19:12.33 | zoddan | chmod- R 777 /var/www |
| 19:12.39 | zoddan | took 5sec |
| 19:12.40 | stew | zoddan: you don't want 777 ever |
| 19:12.51 | zoddan | works perfect |
| 19:12.52 | chops | AwesomeGuy: (a) "installing extra things" on Debian has a completely different meaning than on Windows; basically everything on Debian is "extra", and that's a feature, not a bug |
| 19:12.59 | dondelelcaro | and you don't ever want to use chmod -R. |
| 19:13.00 | zoddan | and saves allot of time |
| 19:13.14 | dondelelcaro | zoddan: uh... it's totally broken, opens you to all kinds of exploits, and is a bad idea. |
| 19:13.35 | felipe1982 | dondelelcaro: yes i want to use chmod -R when i require it |
| 19:13.37 | stew | cheef-daniel: is /usr/ mounted noexec? |
| 19:13.39 | chops | AwesomeGuy: (b) There are legal, and not just technical reasons, behind that. Windows costs slightly more because of licensing fees because of its ability to create mp3s. Debian doesn't have that option available. |
| 19:13.39 | zoddan | felipe1982: http://lurix.net/bilder/ works perfect |
| 19:13.45 | Bushmills | comes to the conclusion that AwesomeGuy is a troll |
| 19:13.53 | felipe1982 | zoddan: that is not safe chmod 777 |
| 19:14.01 | dondelelcaro | felipe1982: no, you don't. You want to use find . -type f -print0 |xargs chmod 0644; find . -type d -print0 |xargs chmod 0755; |
| 19:14.04 | zoddan | it works and that the point |
| 19:14.05 | felipe1982 | zoddan: it means EVERYBODY can write to /path/to/dir |
| 19:14.06 | cheef-daniel | stew: no |
| 19:14.08 | dondelelcaro | s/xargs/& -0/ |
| 19:14.12 | AwesomeGuy | I'm getting extremely sick of you freaks calling me a troll EVERY TIME I COME IN |
| 19:14.14 | AwesomeGuy | GO TO HELL |
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| 19:14.16 | zoddan | felipe: ye thats what i want |
| 19:14.25 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 19:14.26 | Baloo | Wow, who lit the fuse on his tampon? |
| 19:14.31 | chops | Bushmills: Well done, sir |
| 19:14.56 | felipe1982 | zoddan: EVERYBODY can WRITE also means EVERYBODY can DELETE! |
| 19:15.02 | zoddan | felipe1982: took 5sec and saves allot of time instead of guesing what to do and so on |
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| 19:15.13 | scatterp | how can i check what version of libnl-dev i have installed ? |
| 19:15.23 | cheef-daniel | stew: both direcotrys belongs root:root and have 755 |
| 19:15.28 | zoddan | felipe1982: i have backup |
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| 19:15.36 | Bushmills | though i wasn't aware that he had been called troll before |
| 19:15.39 | felipe1982 | zoddan: if you want all programs, and all people to beable to create files, delete files, execute files (which is so dangerous it isn't funny) then you have succeeded |
| 19:15.47 | zoddan | felipe1982: yes |
| 19:15.49 | stew | cheef-daniel: i'm talking about how the partitions are mounted, not the fileystem permissions, right? |
| 19:15.54 | zoddan | felipe1982: and saves me allot of time to |
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| 19:16.05 | zoddan | felipe1982: insead of guesing what to do and so on |
| 19:16.07 | zoddan | t |
| 19:16.09 | dondelelcaro | zoddan: well, best of luck when your sites get defaced. |
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| 19:16.27 | felipe1982 | zoddan: it saves you time NOW, but you pay later |
| 19:16.29 | Decepticon | the aim is to minimize access to those who dont need it |
| 19:16.38 | zoddan | felipe1982: dont think so |
| 19:16.42 | cheef-daniel | stew: I know, it is normal mounted, I'll attach it to the url |
| 19:16.46 | Decepticon | and it isnt about guessing its not very hard to do |
| 19:16.58 | felipe1982 | zoddan: don't give 777 access to your directories |
| 19:16.58 | zoddan | felipe1982: i have run it for 3 years like this, no problem |
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| 19:17.09 | abrotman | FLW |
| 19:17.17 | felipe1982 | zoddan: then why did you come here asking for help if you solved that problem years ago?? |
| 19:17.40 | felipe1982 | zoddan: what is your IP and root password? |
| 19:17.43 | zoddan | felipe1982: bacuse you said i can solve it in another way |
| 19:17.51 | zoddan | root is disable |
| 19:17.55 | abrotman | felipe1982: not funny |
| 19:17.55 | zoddan | and SSH is not open out |
| 19:17.59 | felipe1982 | zoddan: and you don't listen to what i said (and many others) |
| 19:18.01 | Bushmills | zoddan: you run a debian system for 3 years, and don't know about file permissions? |
| 19:18.10 | zoddan | so you can try to access it if you want |
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| 19:18.25 | zoddan | Bushmills: why?, it works great this way |
| 19:18.30 | cheef-daniel | stew: http://pastebin.org/47398, if you scroll down you will see |
| 19:18.54 | dondelelcaro | zoddan: do you lock the doors on your car? Does your car have an ignition key? |
| 19:19.02 | zoddan | no |
| 19:19.21 | n3kl | Bushmills: meh |
| 19:19.23 | Decepticon | is this guy trolling? |
| 19:19.30 | Decepticon | very subtly? |
| 19:19.43 | abrotman | no keys?! |
| 19:19.45 | felipe1982 | wols: i did everything in the !tell thing you sent to me. I restarted debian, and I don't get X. I get error: failed to load module "wfb" module does not exist -- and error: nvidia need libwfb but wfbscreeninit not found |
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| 19:20.02 | Ghostonz | someone could help me install debian step by step? |
| 19:20.06 | wols | felipe1982: huh? |
| 19:20.13 | wols | felipe1982: modprobe nvidia says that? |
| 19:20.15 | n3kl | Ghostonz: google.com |
| 19:20.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ghostonz -about ig |
| 19:20.16 | zoddan | felipe1982: so why should i care about someone trying to access it via SSH from the outside? |
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| 19:20.31 | HeXiLed | does anyone know of asci console games like ninvaders or netris ? |
| 19:20.42 | Bushmills | and you also run a debian system for 3 years and don't know about man pages to answer your most immediate question ... |
| 19:20.42 | dondelelcaro | HeXiLed: nethack |
| 19:20.46 | Bushmills | makes me think ... |
| 19:21.02 | felipe1982 | wols: no..restarting debian gave me those errors ( i followed all steps on !tell that you gave to me) |
| 19:21.10 | zoddan | felipe1982: ?? |
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| 19:21.19 | felipe1982 | wols: you want Xorg.0.log pastebin? |
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| 19:21.43 | felipe1982 | added to 'ignore list' |
| 19:21.45 | wols | no I want what I asked for |
| 19:22.02 | zoddan | felipe1982: ?? |
| 19:22.02 | Ghostonz | !tell |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | taps the calendar |
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| 19:22.43 | felipe1982 | wols: what did you ask for? |
| 19:22.50 | zoddan | felipe1982: ?? |
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| 19:23.34 | Eulex | zoddan, that's not the point and never was. anyone gaining a way to read or write any file on your system, will be able to /var/www, regardless if it is through some security hole or through ssh |
| 19:23.43 | Ghostonz | !tell install |
| 19:23.50 | dondelelcaro | Ghostonz: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:23.52 | abrotman | Ghostonz: /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:24.04 | wols | 21:20 < wols> felipe1982: modprobe nvidia says that? |
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| 19:24.25 | felipe1982 | wols: you didn't say you wanted that.....one second .... |
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| 19:24.55 | wols | felipe1982: there is no wfb.ko module anywhere I can find |
| 19:25.11 | groton_ | felipe, he asked you only 2 (two) times :D |
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| 19:25.42 | fas3r | openvpn use ipsec or ssl ? |
| 19:25.51 | n3kl | ssl |
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| 19:26.44 | fas3r | n3kl: do you know one on linux who use ipsec ? |
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| 19:27.01 | n3kl | fas3r: openswan I think |
| 19:27.29 | fas3r | and last question :s |
| 19:27.41 | n3kl | fas3r: I think that is more like *the* ipsec implementation for linux. |
| 19:28.26 | fas3r | do you know one application who change the number of packet who are send by request (if you understand :s ) |
| 19:28.57 | n3kl | Like spoofing your IP, or anonymizing your traffic? |
| 19:29.04 | wols | felipe1982: or QoS? |
| 19:29.19 | fas3r | no no |
| 19:29.22 | wols | fas3r: ^^ |
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| 19:29.29 | fas3r | wols: ;) |
| 19:29.45 | n3kl | I think that means QoS |
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| 19:30.17 | felipe1982 | wols: 1 minute |
| 19:30.35 | felipe1982 | wols: x is fucked - can't pastebin - 1 minute |
| 19:30.36 | wols | in one minute I'm probably in Lut Gholein |
| 19:30.44 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 19:30.44 | dpkg | [pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin ... |
| 19:30.48 | felipe1982 | wols: me too! see you soon! |
| 19:30.53 | fas3r | if you prefer under a vpn it's possible to determit what protocol is use even if the communication is crypt |
| 19:30.56 | wols | different realm |
| 19:30.57 | abrotman | run the other way! |
| 19:31.16 | fas3r | by the number of packet |
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| 19:31.31 | n3kl | fas3r: I don't understand |
| 19:31.43 | n3kl | fas3r: do what with the packet number? |
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| 19:32.19 | nathanmuntz | can i use xfce on debian? and if so how do i install it ? |
| 19:32.19 | fas3r | 2 sec i have paper maybe you understand better :) |
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| 19:32.28 | wols | n3kl: using analysis of packetsizes and delays between packets to find out what protcol the user of that VPN uses for user data |
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| 19:32.39 | abrotman | nathanmuntz: yes ,.. apt-cache search xfce |
| 19:32.40 | n3kl | wols: Ahhh |
| 19:32.40 | wols | ie if he uses ssh or browses the web or does email, etc |
| 19:32.45 | nathanmuntz | ok |
| 19:32.49 | felipe1982 | wols: http://pastebin.com/d39326bb5 |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | nathanmuntz: then install the xfce stuff you want .. i believe xfce4 is the metapackage |
| 19:32.57 | Bushmills | fas3r: just add some noise transfers of different packet sizes, they'll mask out any pattern |
| 19:33.25 | wols | felipe1982: so it's loaded now? check with lsmod and run X then |
| 19:33.26 | fas3r | Bushmills: yes it's this |
| 19:33.39 | wols | felipe1982: you on useast or uswest, right? |
| 19:34.05 | felipe1982 | wols: toronto. 1 sec. |
| 19:34.16 | wols | I meant realm :) |
| 19:34.23 | wols | but I guess USE then |
| 19:34.33 | wols | I'm on europe |
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| 19:35.34 | felipe1982 | wols: realm? i don't know ... i was only playing back at you when you made some comment about going to some city =) |
| 19:37.09 | fas3r | i search app who modify the packet size and inter packet intervals |
| 19:37.15 | felipe1982 | wols: failed to start X !AAH! |
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| 19:38.09 | fas3r | the paper : http://coderrr.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/detecting-ssh-tunnels/ |
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| 19:38.53 | benjamindees | the time on my etch box is 12 hrs off and it keeps reverting every time I change it and reboot. |
| 19:38.58 | Bushmills | fas3r: netsed oculd be of some use |
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| 19:39.32 | fas3r | ok thank Bushmills ;) |
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| 19:39.35 | wols | felipe1982: pastebin Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:40.37 | chops | benjamindees: Perhaps your BIOS clock is set to local time, but Debian thinks it's UTC (or vice versa) |
| 19:40.43 | chops | benjamindees: See /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:41.01 | fas3r | Bushmills: have you an other :p |
| 19:41.14 | biopyte | folks, is the debian eeepc project still alive? where to buy the 901 in the us? |
| 19:41.17 | jcm | hi, how can I configure exim4 so as cron tasks results are sent with a non empty sender ? this blocks them from being sent outside. Hostname, hosts, nsswitch and so on, all seems configured on the box. |
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| 19:42.31 | abrotman | biopyte: newegg ? |
| 19:42.36 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 19:42.37 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 19:42.54 | benjamindees | chops, if UTC=yes and date -u shows the correct utc time then that means the BIOS clock is set to UTC? |
| 19:43.02 | felipe1982 | wols: http://paste.debian.net/8803 (tell me if you can read it) |
| 19:43.11 | scatterp | can someone help me install libnl-dev version 1.1 please im runing v4.0 etch kernel 2.6.24 |
| 19:43.19 | abrotman | still?! |
| 19:43.22 | wols | felipe1982: looks fine |
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| 19:43.45 | biopyte | abrotman: ok. hope they will have it. |
| 19:43.49 | scatterp | apt-get installs a older version by default |
| 19:43.58 | felipe1982 | wols: k |
| 19:43.59 | abrotman | biopyte: they don't .. but the asus website shuld be able to tell you where |
| 19:44.07 | Bushmills | fas3r: while : ; do sleep 0.$(( $RANDOM/32 )) ; ping -c2 -s $(( $RANDOM / 4096 * 128 )) ; done |
| 19:44.26 | Bushmills | ehm .. of course peer address after ping |
| 19:44.31 | chops | benjamindees: But you said that after a fresh boot, 'date' does _not_ show the correct time |
| 19:44.45 | fas3r | yes ;) |
| 19:44.50 | fas3r | ok thank Bushmills |
| 19:45.07 | wols | felipe1982: you din't backport but install the nvidia-glx directly. that's the problem. you MUST backpot nvidia drivers |
| 19:45.20 | biopyte | ok. thx. |
| 19:45.34 | wols | scatterp: apt-cache policy libnl-dev |
| 19:45.42 | fas3r | this command quarrel traffic ... ? |
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| 19:45.50 | wols | !tell felipe1982 about ssb |
| 19:45.52 | felipe1982 | wols: backport...sorry don't know what that means? HOw can I do it |
| 19:45.58 | wols | felipe1982: the package to backport is nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:46.12 | scatterp | wols that says 1.0 version i need 1,1 |
| 19:46.26 | felipe1982 | wols: this is a pain...i'm just gonna forget debian on this box, and maybe ust play with in on my Intel Graphics laptop |
| 19:46.30 | wols | scatterp: backport then |
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| 19:46.34 | scatterp | wols ok |
| 19:46.37 | wols | !info libnl-dev |
| 19:46.41 | dpkg | libnl-dev: (development library and headers for libnl), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 19:46.43 | stew | felipe1982: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:47.15 | wols | felipe1982: I long long ago told you to backport. you didn't listen |
| 19:47.18 | stew | felipe1982: and /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:47.20 | scatterp | wols how can i check the version that will be installed via backports ? |
| 19:47.34 | felipe1982 | wols: i heard you, I didn't know what that meant |
| 19:47.43 | wols | scatterp: depends how you do it. |
| 19:47.50 | wols | felipe1982: are you running etch? |
| 19:47.57 | nathanmuntz | how long should it take too install debian? |
| 19:48.05 | wols | nathanmuntz: not set time |
| 19:48.09 | nathanmuntz | oh ok |
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| 19:48.30 | scatterp | wols i mean before installing to be sure i will get the right version from there |
| 19:48.45 | DoXiD | Hey guys. i'm a ubuntu user myself but a friend is using debian and i'm wondering what debian ports as a standard network-share application. like samba |
| 19:48.49 | simonrvn | s,too,to, |
| 19:49.01 | abrotman | DoXiD: samba ? |
| 19:49.05 | wols | DoXiD: no default. samba and nfs both |
| 19:49.10 | felipe1982 | wols: yes, running etch |
| 19:49.17 | simonrvn | DoXiD: all kinds. some more exotic than others |
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| 19:50.16 | scatterp | wols that installed version 1.0 |
| 19:50.43 | wols | scatterp: what exactly installed 1.0? |
| 19:50.59 | scatterp | apt-get -t etch-backports install libnl-dev |
| 19:51.11 | wols | apt-cache policy libn1-dev |
| 19:51.19 | scatterp | wols shows 1.0 |
| 19:51.27 | wols | then you need to backport it yourself |
| 19:51.36 | scatterp | wols how would i do that ? |
| 19:51.38 | Eulex | scatterp, does etch-backports have libnl-dev? |
| 19:51.42 | wols | I made dpkg already tell you |
| 19:51.43 | felipe1982 | wols: i'll give it a shot |
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| 19:51.57 | felipe1982 | wols: yes - got it...doing it now |
| 19:51.59 | scatterp | Eulex, yes but not 1.1 |
| 19:52.08 | wols | felipe1982: I meant scatterp there |
| 19:52.22 | Eulex | scatterp, false, it has no libnl-dev at all. etch itself has 1.0, though. |
| 19:52.22 | scatterp | wols dpkg didnt msg me |
| 19:52.38 | wols | !tell scatterp about ssb |
| 19:52.40 | scatterp | Eulex, oh hmm im new to this backports stuff |
| 19:52.42 | scatterp | thanks wols |
| 19:52.52 | Eulex | scatterp, http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages |
| 19:53.03 | Eulex | also use apt-cache policy to check whether something has a backport. |
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| 19:53.18 | scatterp | ok |
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| 19:54.04 | Eulex | it will list a version of the package from etch-backports if there is one |
| 19:54.07 | adama | I've got a failing HDD (120G) - /dev/sda , and a new 160G HDD /dev/sdb (no partition table); will "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" do what I want it to do here? ie make a drive I can swap in and boot |
| 19:54.17 | scatterp | wols i dont see how that would result in me having the newer version but i will work through the steps |
| 19:54.32 | DoXiD | sry, what i'm trying to do is map up a SFTP server. |
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| 19:54.43 | DoXiD | usualy in ubuntu you do that though a samba-client/server |
| 19:54.45 | wols | DoXiD: sshfs |
| 19:54.47 | abrotman | adama: but the stuff will be set to 120GB |
| 19:54.51 | wols | DoXiD: no you don't |
| 19:54.53 | DoXiD | or if it's natulius :P |
| 19:54.56 | abrotman | adama: you may be able to gro wit |
| 19:55.06 | DoXiD | dno which one is handling the actual connection |
| 19:55.07 | wols | DoXiD: sftp has nothing to do with CIFS |
| 19:55.15 | wols | !sshfs |
| 19:55.15 | dpkg | well, sshfs is a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. (Don't confuse sshfs with shfs.) Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 19:55.16 | abrotman | wols: you can in nautilus get access to servers like that |
| 19:55.41 | DoXiD | sftp is a protocol.more or less but in ubuntu you got a neet Mapping system to map a server up just like a regular local folder :P |
| 19:55.43 | wols | sure nautilus can do sshfs but it can't access sftp via SMB. no wai |
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| 19:55.59 | wols | DoXiD: that# snot new and it's not samba |
| 19:56.12 | wols | DoXiD: dpkg just told you how |
| 19:56.16 | DoXiD | wols, as i sad was a bit unsure if it was samba or natilus |
| 19:56.18 | adama | abrotman: yeah I figured I'd be able to repartition the extra space or grow one of the parts |
| 19:56.19 | DoXiD | heh |
| 19:56.22 | Anthro | I swear there was a nice database for hardware with Linux support, kind of like linuxprinting.org but for PCI cards and such, but I can't seem to find it now. Anyone? |
| 19:56.29 | wols | !hcl |
| 19:56.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 19:56.46 | Anthro | wols: Nice. Thanks. |
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| 19:57.49 | adama | abrotman: dd is the way to do it though? |
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| 19:58.11 | scatterp | wols i really cant follow what dpkg says |
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| 19:58.35 | stew | scatterp: if there is some part that you don't understand, ask a specific question |
| 19:58.42 | scatterp | stew ok |
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| 19:59.13 | abrotman | adama: that's one way |
| 19:59.24 | abrotman | adama: i wouldn't blow away the old drive until the new one works |
| 19:59.26 | scatterp | how do i add a deb src line for sid i have no idea what sid is or where to get the line.. |
| 19:59.41 | abrotman | !tell scatterp about sources.list |
| 20:00.10 | scatterp | that really dont tell me about sid |
| 20:00.11 | Zharf | why the hell does sun-java5-jdk *depend* on sun-java5-demo <.< |
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| 20:00.24 | adama | abrotman: I certainly won't |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | Zharf: perhaps you want jre ? |
| 20:00.42 | stew | scatterp: sid is also called "unstable' it is where the newest (and possibly completely untested) versions of packages gets uploaded to. "man sources.list" for info about adding deb-src to sources.list |
| 20:00.53 | Zharf | abrotman, why? |
| 20:01.08 | Eulex | Zharf, perhaps because it's part of the jdk? |
| 20:01.12 | Zharf | abrotman, jdk is the one where the compiler is... just seems weird that you *have* to install the demos too |
| 20:01.20 | abrotman | Zharf: ah okay .. maybe it's a recommends ? |
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| 20:01.26 | Zharf | aptitude says depends |
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| 20:01.33 | abrotman | Zharf: in etch ? |
| 20:01.36 | Zharf | sid |
| 20:01.47 | abrotman | there's a java6 in sid .. FYI |
| 20:01.49 | scatterp | stew i understand how to paste it in the file the thing is i dont know where i would find a line to use |
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| 20:01.55 | Zharf | abrotman, I know :) |
| 20:01.58 | abrotman | !depends sun-java5-jdk sid |
| 20:02.00 | dpkg | sun-java5-jdk: pre-depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0 |
| 20:02.07 | abrotman | guess it's not a depends |
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| 20:02.26 | Zharf | abrotman, mmh, maybe I read it wrong way around |
| 20:02.31 | abrotman | uh .. no you didn't |
| 20:02.34 | Zharf | actually |
| 20:02.35 | Zharf | yeah |
| 20:02.36 | abrotman | the bot messed up |
| 20:02.41 | felipe1982 | wols: i followed all diretions. And installed the .deb packages in "/root". Then "depmod -a ; modprobe -r nvidia ; modprobe nvidia" gave no errors. Reboot, and no X |
| 20:02.45 | stew | scatterp: a deb-src line looks just like a deb line other than "deb" or "deb-src" where you would normally see 'etch' or 'stable' you are going to use 'sid' instead. |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | Zharf: you can file a bug to make it a recommends perhaps |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | Zharf: or a suggests |
| 20:02.58 | Zharf | yup |
| 20:03.26 | abrotman | wonders why the bot did that |
| 20:03.49 | felipe1982 | going to get some food, back in 4.69 minutes |
| 20:04.12 | abrotman | taco bell eh? |
| 20:04.34 | scatterp | stew could you give me the line to add ? |
| 20:04.56 | Ghostonz | ok...my processor: amd atlhon 64 x2 3800---boot install:dvd---all hardwares are compatible with linux...and on install base system page asking me wt kernel to install.....which then may i have to install? |
| 20:04.56 | scatterp | it seems to involve a url i cant kind of build one my self and i cant find one with google |
| 20:05.03 | adama | abrotman: do I need / do you recommend any options to the dd command for doing that? |
| 20:05.06 | Eulex | scatterp, he can't, as you should be using a local mirror |
| 20:05.21 | adama | or just dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 20:05.34 | scatterp | Eulex i am in london uk if that helps |
| 20:05.36 | Eulex | scatterp, you should already have such an url in your sources.list, though. use the one you have for etch main. |
| 20:05.45 | abrotman | adama: you could change the bs if you wanted |
| 20:06.03 | stew | adama: "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" unless you give dd a better blocksize, but yeah, that would work fine |
| 20:06.05 | scatterp | Eulex, i have this deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 20:06.17 | stew | adama: err i meant "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" would be faster unless... |
| 20:06.19 | Eulex | scatterp, in any case, if you want a list of mirrors, go check debian.org |
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| 20:06.30 | felipe1982 | back . |
| 20:06.36 | adama | cp would work ?? |
| 20:06.40 | Eulex | scatterp, so you have a url. please follow the instructions you have gotten. |
| 20:06.48 | adama | what block size? 1M? |
| 20:06.51 | stew | scatterp: as i said before "...where you would normally see 'etch' or 'stable' you are going to use 'sid' instead." |
| 20:07.14 | scatterp | oh so i just change etch to sid |
| 20:07.17 | stew | adama: in this case, cp does the same as dd would if you specified bs=4M (depending on your arch) |
| 20:07.25 | abrotman | scatterp: for the *deb-src* line |
| 20:07.33 | Eulex | scatterp, yes, but you copy the deb-src line first |
| 20:07.38 | scatterp | ok got it |
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| 20:08.33 | adama | so what bs should I use? |
| 20:08.48 | Ghostonz | ok...my processor: amd atlhon 64 x2 3800---boot install:dvd---all hardwares are compatible with linux...and on install base system page asking me wt kernel to install.....which then may i have to install? |
| 20:09.56 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: are you installing debian for the first time? |
| 20:10.02 | jelly-home | Ghostonz: how much RAM do you have? |
| 20:10.03 | Ghostonz | yes |
| 20:10.10 | Ghostonz | 2gb |
| 20:10.13 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: for 32-bit OS download i386 Debian Etch |
| 20:10.23 | felipe1982 | that will work with your athlong |
| 20:10.28 | felipe1982 | athlon - always do that! |
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| 20:10.58 | Ghostonz | and 64 bit os? |
| 20:10.59 | jelly-home | doesn't remember having kernel options in the etch installer |
| 20:11.16 | n3kl | Ghostonz: you have no need to a 64 bit os. |
| 20:11.25 | jelly-home | Ghostonz: 64bit is still a somewhat painful |
| 20:11.25 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: you will probably not notice diff b/w 64&32. just get 32bit |
| 20:11.26 | Eulex | Ghostonz, and you do not want it. |
| 20:11.45 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: saves trouble just to get 32 bit (i386) |
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| 20:11.47 | n3kl | Ghostonz: if you have 4G of ram, it would matter |
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| 20:12.04 | Ghostonz | :( |
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| 20:12.38 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: just get CD1 from Debian. It is the default 32 bit debian installation with X, Gnome, and firefox |
| 20:12.39 | Ghostonz | but and version 64 on my dvd i discard then |
| 20:12.59 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/bUlOje75.html i got this output it failed on step 4 |
| 20:12.59 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: get the 32 bit |
| 20:13.14 | felipe1982 | wols: you there? |
| 20:13.19 | chops | Ghostonz: Installing the wrong thing because you already have the media burned and you don't want to "waste" the media you've created is about the worst reason you could have... |
| 20:13.27 | adama | no recommendations for block size? |
| 20:13.34 | Ghostonz | ok..ill get 32 bit and return here |
| 20:13.46 | felipe1982 | (this room is aggressive) |
| 20:13.53 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: good |
| 20:14.04 | Ghostonz | cya later |
| 20:14.16 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: hey |
| 20:14.23 | Ghostonz | hum |
| 20:14.24 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: use defaults when installing debian |
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| 20:14.37 | Ghostonz | why? |
| 20:14.41 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: i hope you have a spare drive. Select the option to wipe out entire hard drive to install debian |
| 20:15.03 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: defaults are safe, and will give you good selection of software, configuration, etc |
| 20:15.06 | Eulex | Ghostonz, you will want the -k7 kernel with an amd64 cpu. |
| 20:15.41 | Eulex | Ghostonz, if you use a -486 kernel (which I believe is the default), you will only get access to 1gb of your ram |
| 20:15.42 | Ghostonz | i hve 2 hdds and one of then i wanna dedicated to linux debian |
| 20:15.46 | felipe1982 | Eulex: is this option avlb at install time? |
| 20:15.51 | felipe1982 | Eulex: kernel choice? |
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| 20:16.29 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/bUlOje75.html i got this output it failed on step 4 can any one tell me what to do about ghostscript ? |
| 20:16.30 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 20:16.34 | Eulex | felipe1982, hmm, well, at least if you do an expert setup. not sure about the normal. |
| 20:16.35 | Ghostonz | i ll try |
| 20:16.35 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: /dev/sda OR /dev/hda will be your first hard drive (/dev/hdb will be second one ) get the letters right |
| 20:16.45 | nathanmuntz | ok i got debian installed finally but the resolution is only 800x600 how do i change it if thats the only option there |
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| 20:17.03 | felipe1982 | Eulex: i think normal does not have it, it chose 486 for my athlon64 X2 6000+ ! whoa! |
| 20:17.13 | chops | scatterp: You seem to be mixing etch with sid, which is a bad idea |
| 20:17.29 | scatterp | chops i just did what dpkg said |
| 20:17.30 | Ghostonz | i think my both hdds are samsung 250gb sata2 |
| 20:17.41 | scatterp | chops i just need libnl-dev 1.1 |
| 20:17.41 | Ghostonz | sda or hda? |
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| 20:17.55 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: be safe. Remove one hard drive. Install debian to it |
| 20:18.05 | Ghostonz | i did it. |
| 20:18.13 | scatterp | chops what should i do ? |
| 20:18.20 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: sdb is drive #2 (notice B=2 A=1) |
| 20:18.20 | chops | scatterp: dpkg did not tell you to add sid sources to an etch installation. |
| 20:18.38 | felipe1982 | chops: maybe he means username dpkg in this room |
| 20:18.40 | chops | scatterp: What is the output of 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1'? |
| 20:18.45 | scatterp | chops it did :( |
| 20:18.49 | chops | felipe1982: That's what I meant. |
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| 20:18.57 | chops | scatterp: What did it say? |
| 20:18.59 | Ghostonz | hum...k |
| 20:19.02 | Eulex | felipe1982, you will only be able to use ~900mb out of your ram with that one. |
| 20:19.06 | nathanmuntz | ok i got debian installed finally but the resolution is only 800x600 how do i change it if thats the only option there |
| 20:19.18 | scatterp | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:19.49 | chops | scatterp: Oh, I see... You just need to 'cd libn1-1.1' before running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 20:20.07 | rvsjoen | anyone know if there are ff3.0 packages for debian somewhere ? |
| 20:20.13 | chops | scatterp: I see, yes, dpkg did tell you the right thing. Adding a 'deb-src' line for sid to an etch installation _is_ okay, and that's what dpkg told you to do, and that's what you did. |
| 20:20.18 | Eulex | rvsjoen, they are in unstable. |
| 20:20.18 | chops | rvsjoen: They're in sid |
| 20:20.19 | felipe1982 | Eulex: blows -- i'm going to not use debian on this b*tch cause nvidia drivers are a pain to install for my card |
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| 20:20.26 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 20:20.33 | Eulex | felipe1982, what card? |
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| 20:20.49 | scatterp | chops http://rafb.net/p/VauJS743.html |
| 20:20.54 | scatterp | chops thats what it said |
| 20:21.17 | scatterp | chops but it said it needs ghostscript ? |
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| 20:21.36 | LinuxMercedes | does anyone know of any problems with running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade as a cron job and mailing the results to an email address? |
| 20:21.47 | Eulex | cron-apt? |
| 20:21.49 | janne-5011 | hello, I have problem get my webcam working with debian. The camera works with ubuntu. when I start application "motion" it says "No mmap falling back on read" , read dont works with motion and motion exits. I think i did the same setup as i did on ubuntu. camera works with uvcvideo. |
| 20:22.21 | chops | LinuxMercedes: Some steps may require user input, and those steps may leave your system unusable in some way (notably like un-ssh-into-able) until they complete |
| 20:22.26 | chops | LinuxMercedes: In general it's a bad idea |
| 20:22.36 | felipe1982 | Eulex: 8600 GT. I have to build the module myself, backport some other junk |
| 20:22.41 | felipe1982 | Eulex: i'm new to this |
| 20:22.45 | nathanmuntz | ok i got debian installed finally but the resolution is only 800x600 how do i change it if thats the only option there?? |
| 20:22.52 | scatterp | chops http://rafb.net/p/xY4niL86.html it didnt work |
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| 20:22.58 | chops | scatterp: I think in etch what it needs is gs-gpl |
| 20:22.59 | LinuxMercedes | chops, ok, any other solution to automatically updating a box? |
| 20:23.22 | Eulex | felipe1982, unfortunately yes for etch |
| 20:23.28 | scatterp | apt-get gs-gpl ? |
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| 20:23.35 | scatterp | apt-get install gs-gpl ? |
| 20:23.37 | chops | scatterp: Try blowing away libn1-1.1 and trying again... it looks like you have a partial installation in that directory |
| 20:23.41 | Eulex | LinuxMercedes, is this etch? |
| 20:23.42 | scatterp | ok |
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| 20:23.49 | pacoman | hello |
| 20:24.00 | LinuxMercedes | Eulex, ubuntu server |
| 20:24.02 | felipe1982 | Eulex: why do u suppose devs don't make it easier ? |
| 20:24.06 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 20:24.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:24.08 | chops | LinuxMercedes: Please ask #ubuntu |
| 20:24.12 | felipe1982 | Eulex: i mean, have a package ready? |
| 20:24.16 | LinuxMercedes | chops, ok |
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| 20:24.45 | Eulex | felipe1982, they do. in unstable. etch will never get new versions of packages. |
| 20:24.52 | pacoman | how can i make the dhcp make dhclient eth0 each minute |
| 20:25.09 | chops | pacoman: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:25.14 | scatterp | chops http://rafb.net/p/rxH3Py20.html did not help |
| 20:25.31 | Ghostonz | i m on downloads site...i386 small version-cd or i386 very small version-usbflashdisc ? |
| 20:25.33 | felipe1982 | Eulex: I understnd that. But why does a user have to build their own modules? Are they not able to make them as packages in sid? |
| 20:25.33 | chops | scatterp: Sure it helped, it just doesn't work yet. |
| 20:25.36 | pacoman | i want to renew my ip each 1 minute |
| 20:25.44 | scatterp | chops oh ok :/ |
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| 20:25.53 | scatterp | chops should i apt-get install those things ? |
| 20:25.56 | jelly-home | pacoman: why? |
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| 20:26.01 | pacoman | i know i can make it in dhclient.conf but i dont know how |
| 20:26.11 | Eulex | felipe1982, firstly, unstable hasn't got the 2.6.18 kernel anymore |
| 20:26.22 | chops | scatterp: The current problem will be a little harder to resolve... try installing those things by hand, substituting gs-gpl for ghostscript. You may need to modify the build deps by hand to make it work with gs-gpl |
| 20:26.24 | Eulex | felipe1982, secondly, building the kernel module is a snap with m-a |
| 20:26.41 | scatterp | ok working on it |
| 20:26.43 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 20:26.43 | pacoman | beacouse i am from venezuela and the connection is not very well, and each day i have to renew ip |
| 20:26.56 | scatterp | wait chops when you say install by hand what do you mean ? |
| 20:27.02 | chops | scatterp: Using apt-get install |
| 20:27.05 | scatterp | ok |
| 20:27.09 | micols | anyone knows which Kernel Version the latest ATI catalyst driver (binary, fglrx) 8.6 works with? |
| 20:27.14 | chops | scatterp: (As opposed to apt-get build-dep, which is a more automatic process) |
| 20:27.14 | nathanmuntz | ok i got debian installed finally but the resolution is only 800x600 how do i change it if thats the only option there?? |
| 20:27.17 | felipe1982 | Eulex: and then backporting nvidia-graphics-drivers ? I did all that and still won't get X with nvidia driver |
| 20:27.22 | micols | i tried various versions and get blank screens only |
| 20:27.33 | wols | felipe1982: how did you backport the drivers? |
| 20:27.36 | Eulex | felipe1982, define 'won't get X' |
| 20:27.46 | wols | felipe1982: and did you uninstall the other nvidia-glx first? |
| 20:27.46 | Ghostonz | felipe1982 you are a cool man!!! ;) |
| 20:27.59 | Eulex | brb |
| 20:28.10 | pacoman | chops: can you help me? |
| 20:28.12 | felipe1982 | Eulex: x won't start. i get error |
| 20:28.23 | felipe1982 | wols: i didn't uninstall the first one...oops..let me do it again |
| 20:28.27 | chops | pacoman: How does renewing your DHCP lease every minute help you? |
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| 20:29.17 | Eulex | felipe1982, get us the exact error. |
| 20:30.10 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: i'll try to back port drivers again and see what's up |
| 20:30.31 | rvsjoen | hmm.. why does samba keep trying to connect to cups even if I specify "load printers = no" ? |
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| 20:31.42 | scatterp | chops http://rafb.net/p/opONcB16.html its still stuck on ghostscript |
| 20:31.45 | adama | how can I watch my entire filesystem for changing files (writes)? |
| 20:31.54 | chops | scatterp: And debhelper |
| 20:31.54 | abrotman | famd and uhm .. |
| 20:32.01 | Eulex | gamin |
| 20:32.05 | chops | scatterp: debhelper you need a newer version; you can probably get that from backports |
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| 20:32.20 | Eulex | dunno if there's a command line client for them though |
| 20:32.29 | Eulex | they're libraries for watching for changed files |
| 20:32.43 | adama | gamin eh |
| 20:32.45 | chops | scatterp: For ghostscript I'd recommend just changing the build dependency in debian/control from "ghostscript" to "ds-gpl" and seeing if that helps |
| 20:33.08 | micols | nobody running debian with fglrx driver? |
| 20:33.11 | Eulex | *gs-gpl? |
| 20:33.17 | Ghostonz | felipe1982: 1h50min to finish download...100KBps |
| 20:33.24 | scatterp | chop i fixed debhelper now just ghostscript |
| 20:33.29 | chops | scatterp: You may need to change a "Depends:" line or two also, and maybe install some more packages. Backports are tricky sometimes, you've lost the "simple" part of "simple sid backport" at this point |
| 20:33.33 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: i have two debs. 'nvidia-glx......' and 'nvidia-glx-dev' install both?? |
| 20:33.40 | chops | Eulex: Yes, gs-gpl, not ds-gpl. Thanks. |
| 20:33.40 | felipe1982 | Ghostonz: well, you've gotta wait |
| 20:33.46 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 20:33.50 | scatterp | chops how would i do that exactly ? |
| 20:33.58 | Eulex | Ghostonz, downloading what? netinst? |
| 20:34.07 | chops | scatterp: Open debian/control in a text editor from the libn1-1.1 directory |
| 20:34.11 | Ghostonz | that site you ve passed.. |
| 20:34.18 | Eulex | felipe1982, you probably only need the nvidia-glx. you will also need nvidia-kernel-source. |
| 20:34.18 | felipe1982 | Eulex: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 20:34.36 | felipe1982 | Eulex: nvidia-kernel-source DEB from sid? OR building it myself? |
| 20:34.46 | scatterp | done |
| 20:35.30 | scatterp | chops, just edit ghostscipt and change it to gs-gpl ? |
| 20:35.35 | chops | scatterp: Yep |
| 20:35.37 | Eulex | Ghostonz, if you want, you can try the netinst instead. it's ~150mb and downloads everything that isn't on it instead of having to download a cd of stuff, where you might not need to install everything. |
| 20:35.44 | Eulex | felipe1982, backport. |
| 20:35.56 | chops | scatterp: YMMV, no warranties expressed or implied, if it breaks you get to keep both the pieces, etc. etc. |
| 20:36.03 | scatterp | chhops it looks like its installing |
| 20:36.03 | Eulex | felipe1982, you should _not_ try to dpkg -i stuff from unstable on etch. |
| 20:36.13 | scatterp | chops it didnt work |
| 20:36.16 | Ghostonz | felipe1982: ok... |
| 20:36.21 | scatterp | chops bunch of errors ill pasted |
| 20:36.26 | scatterp | chops bunch of errors ill paste |
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| 20:36.56 | felipe1982 | Eulex: wow this hurts my head ^%$# |
| 20:36.58 | scatterp | chops http://rafb.net/p/o94ZAh43.html |
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| 20:37.07 | scatterp | chops basicly i need to install this so i can install iw |
| 20:38.29 | chops | scatterp: Hm... it looks like it wants a newer kernel headers |
| 20:38.37 | felipe1982 | Eulex: "failed to start x server" error i need to backport 'nvidia-glx' and 'nvidia-kernel-source' ? |
| 20:38.41 | scatterp | chops ok |
| 20:38.42 | felipe1982 | Eulex: anything else? |
| 20:38.49 | scatterp | chops how would i update them ? |
| 20:39.47 | chops | scatterp: See if you can fetch a newer linux-kernel-headers package from backports, or do another "simple" sid backport of the same package from a newer kernel package |
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| 20:41.09 | scatterp | chops linux-kernel-headers is already the newest version. |
| 20:41.16 | scatterp | chops that was backports response |
| 20:41.34 | chops | scatterp: Looks like it comes as part of the libc6 package... so if you get stuck doing a backport, you might be able to do a local build of libc6 and then just install that single package. Under no circumstances should you upgrade libc6 to a non-etch version. |
| 20:41.54 | scatterp | chops you lost me :) |
| 20:41.58 | felipe1982 | Eulex: backported 'nvidia-kernel-source', installed it, and reinstalled nvidia-glx-* with dpkg -i. rmmod nvidia, and modprobe nvidia; /etc/init.d/gmd restart |
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| 20:42.02 | felipe1982 | Eulex: x failed to start |
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| 20:42.05 | chops | scatterp: Hm, in etch-backports it's "linux-libc-dev" |
| 20:42.21 | felipe1982 | Eulex: oh..and remove old nvidia-kernel-source before installing newo ne |
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| 20:42.28 | nathanmuntz | how do i set my resolution |
| 20:42.34 | chops | scatterp: Try installing that from backports (and, as I said, make sure you do _not_ upgrade the libc6 package) |
| 20:42.44 | scatterp | chops so you want me to do apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-libc-dev |
| 20:42.49 | chops | scatterp: Yes |
| 20:42.56 | nathanmuntz | how do i set my resolution |
| 20:42.59 | Xenguy | !xrandr |
| 20:43.00 | dpkg | xrandr is probably a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 20:43.21 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 20:43.43 | felipe1982 | Eulex: you said "felipe1982, you should _not_ try to dpkg -i stuff from unstable on etch." so how do i install the .deb that get created in /root/ |
| 20:43.45 | scatterp | ok im compileing again wait was i suppose to do that ? |
| 20:43.57 | chops | scatterp: Yes |
| 20:44.04 | scatterp | chops i did the backport that worked ok |
| 20:44.06 | scatterp | then i did |
| 20:44.21 | scatterp | debian:/home/scatterp/Desktop/Downloads/libnl-1.1# dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc |
| 20:44.29 | Xenguy | !resolution |
| 20:44.29 | dpkg | well, resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 20:44.54 | scatterp | chops i think it worked... |
| 20:44.56 | chops | scatterp: It's not surprising that you're having trouble with this, BTW -- these are pretty advanced operations. This is the "hard things possible" part of Debian, not the "easy things easy" part :-) |
| 20:45.24 | scatterp | you have no idea how many days ive been trying to install one network card in linux |
| 20:45.28 | scatterp | ive tryed 7 oses |
| 20:45.33 | chops | scatterp: Heh |
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| 20:45.58 | abrotman | scatterp: which NIC is that? |
| 20:46.24 | scatterp | chops ok i kinda lost where i am but when i try to make iw i get the same error suggesting that the libnl-dev is not installed |
| 20:46.27 | chops | scatterp: FWIW, more recent versions are often better about supporting newish hardware (of which wireless cards generally are ones)... Debian testing might be a good thing to try in the future (with a plan in place to switch to stable when the current testing releases as stable) |
| 20:46.28 | scatterp | intel card abrotman |
| 20:46.43 | chops | scatterp: Did you install the .debs that dpkg-buildpackage of libn1-1.1 created? |
| 20:46.50 | abrotman | eh .. okay then |
| 20:46.58 | scatterp | chops oh i think i missed that looking |
| 20:47.03 | chops | scatterp: You need to use dpkg -i to install those locally-created debs (they'll be in Desktop/Downloads) |
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| 20:50.40 | scatterp | chops, i am having some trouble installing the debs |
| 20:50.45 | chops | scatterp: It's very common for me to buy hardware, have to use testing or backports in order to satisfy various hardware driver needs, and then be able to switch to stable once the next stable release comes out |
| 20:50.47 | chops | scatterp: Pastebin? |
| 20:50.51 | scatterp | they complain about a lower version being installed |
| 20:50.54 | chops | scatterp: (BTW, I need to go soon, sorry) |
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| 20:51.18 | chops | scatterp: Lemme see the full command(s) and error output |
| 20:51.30 | scatterp | chops, http://rafb.net/p/qEaMJn22.html |
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| 20:51.41 | scatterp | chops thats everything for a while back |
| 20:51.47 | nathanmuntz | i still cant change my resolution lol |
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| 20:52.34 | chops | scatterp: Hm... looks like you may have to remove network-manager and rebuild it against libnl1-dev and libnl1 |
| 20:52.41 | chops | scatterp: How do you feel about upgrading to testing? :-) |
| 20:52.42 | drwahl | is there a way to identify what motherboard is in a debian system without having physical access to the computer? |
| 20:52.56 | chops | scatterp: If this is a server, I wouldn't recommend using testing |
| 20:53.13 | chops | scatterp: But if it's just going to be a desktop, that might be simpler than continuing down the road of backport dependencies |
| 20:53.19 | sohmestra | I'm running samba on etch, and seeing some unpleasantness in the logs. Occasionally, during browser synchronization, the logs are filled with garbage (http://dpaste.com/60019/). Any idea what might be causing this? |
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| 20:53.27 | scatterp | chops a little bad since this is like reinstall/os number 8 and since your leaving do you need to go for long ? |
| 20:53.34 | \amethyst | drwahl: dmidecode | grep -A5 'Base Board' |
| 20:53.35 | chops | scatterp: Till tomorrow :-( |
| 20:53.42 | \amethyst | drwahl: you'll have to run dmidecode as root probably |
| 20:53.46 | chops | scatterp: Okay. Do you _need_ network-manager? :-) |
| 20:53.54 | drwahl | \amethyst: i'll give that a shot |
| 20:53.55 | scatterp | i probebly do but i hate it |
| 20:54.11 | \amethyst | drwahl: lspci will tell you the chipset, but not the exact motherboard |
| 20:54.12 | scatterp | lets say yes im sure i saw it in dependencys |
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| 20:54.18 | scatterp | and i needed to update it earlyer |
| 20:54.33 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: still nothing |
| 20:54.41 | chops | scatterp: You can remove it for now, maybe install it from backports, maybe backport it yourself... look at it this way: You're getting a lot of experience in Debian |
| 20:54.50 | chops | 's more advanced package management operations :-) |
| 20:54.53 | scatterp | :) |
| 20:55.01 | scatterp | ok so let me see |
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| 20:55.04 | scatterp | if i got this right |
| 20:55.10 | chops | scatterp: Also, you don't need to reinstall to upgrade to testing; it's just change your sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 20:55.33 | scatterp | chops ok which way will be fastest |
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| 20:55.38 | chops | scatterp: Also, other people here will probably be able to help you with trouble during the upgrade (though I can't guarantee that it'll go smoothly or that nothing will be wrong with your system once it's upgraded, unfortunately). |
| 20:55.38 | scatterp | ill trust your judgement |
| 20:55.40 | Eulex | felipe1982, uh, if you backported them, they're not debs from unstable, they are debs that you built yourself and which are suitable for installing on etch. |
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| 20:55.55 | scatterp | maybe we should stay this way then ? |
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| 20:56.22 | twobitwork | so, I know you can set http_proxy in linux a most things will respect that, but what about for https:// urls? I've tried setting, obviously, https_proxy... |
| 20:56.26 | scatterp | ok so i removed networkmanager |
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| 20:56.52 | scatterp | what should i do next |
| 20:57.10 | nathanmuntz | i still cant figure this out |
| 20:57.14 | chops | scatterp: Try installing libn1 again |
| 20:57.21 | chops | scatterp: From the locally-backported .deb |
| 20:58.01 | scatterp | http://rafb.net/p/dHWRhY35.html |
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| 20:58.28 | chops | scatterp: Looks like you should remove network-manager, not NetworkManager |
| 20:58.30 | Eulex | felipe1982, also, if you're getting errors, it just might be worth it to show them for us, so we can help you with them. |
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| 20:59.06 | Nyle | hello |
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| 21:00.23 | drwahl | ok, i have been having overheating problems, but it seems like the package athcool might have solved my problem, however, i'm not sure exactly. i think it was my mobo that was overheating before ('sensors' outputs a temp labeled 'M/B Temp'). does anyone know how athcool works and if it would actually run the mobo at a cooler temp? |
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| 21:01.04 | subsume | dumb question: if I wget from an https site, is it secure? |
| 21:01.11 | twobitwork | subsume: yes |
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| 21:01.23 | Nyle | wget works on secure http? |
| 21:01.27 | Nyle | didnt' know that |
| 21:01.29 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:01.29 | Nyle | never tried it |
| 21:01.32 | subsume | Nyle: that's kinda what I was wondering. =) |
| 21:01.34 | mxmxmx | how does one serch for a file in debian etch? |
| 21:01.37 | mxmxmx | *searh |
| 21:01.41 | mxmxmx | ... |
| 21:01.46 | Nyle | hey simon |
| 21:01.48 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:01.50 | Ghostonz | how to boot without lilo or grub boot loader? |
| 21:01.55 | chops | scatterp: gtg, sorry... good luck. I'll be back in tomorrow. |
| 21:01.56 | twobitwork | the manpage says it supports HTTPS |
| 21:02.02 | nan2 | mxmxmx: if not installed i use: apt-file search |
| 21:02.03 | Nyle | Ghostonz, use another bootloader |
| 21:02.06 | simonrvn | hi |
| 21:02.22 | mxmxmx | it's installed , jsut dont knw its exact location |
| 21:02.24 | Nyle | there are many diff booter around |
| 21:02.26 | nan2 | mxmxmx: locate |
| 21:02.30 | mxmxmx | thanks |
| 21:02.31 | Ghostonz | there is some command? |
| 21:02.33 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: you mean, boot linux without a bootloader? |
| 21:02.41 | Ghostonz | ye |
| 21:02.44 | Nyle | can't be done! |
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| 21:02.51 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: nope... need a boot loader |
| 21:02.52 | scatterp- | chops |
| 21:02.57 | Ghostonz | hum |
| 21:02.58 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 21:02.58 | nathanmuntz | can some help me plz i still cant change my resolution higher than 800x600 and i know it go higher just dont know how too change it because it only gives me the opition of 800x6000 |
| 21:03.06 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: why don't you want a boot loader? |
| 21:03.13 | Nyle | nathanmuntz, first on xterm type 'xrandr -q' |
| 21:03.21 | Nyle | see if your modes are listed, and/or pastebin the output |
| 21:03.43 | Ghostonz | cause i have none kernel instaled.. |
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| 21:04.03 | nathanmuntz | only 800x600 and 640x480 are listed |
| 21:04.04 | Nyle | Ghostonz, do you think linux will boot without linux? |
| 21:04.05 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: you have no kernel, and you think removing the bootloader will help with this? |
| 21:04.06 | wols | felipe1982: what error? |
| 21:04.18 | Ghostonz | no.. |
| 21:04.21 | Nyle | nathanmuntz, pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:04.33 | Nyle | Ghostonz, kernel == linux |
| 21:04.41 | Nyle | linux == kernel. if no kernel == no boot |
| 21:04.42 | Nyle | no linux |
| 21:04.43 | twobitwork | or did you mean to say "one kernel"? |
| 21:04.51 | Ghostonz | i didnt remove kernel..i have to wait kernel download finish.. |
| 21:05.31 | Nyle | nathanmuntz, what video card do you have? and which driver do you think you are using? |
| 21:05.39 | Ghostonz | i jsut tried wrong step.. |
| 21:06.20 | nathanmuntz | i have a Silicon Motion Lynx |
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| 21:06.37 | nathanmuntz | and i dont know which driver im using |
| 21:06.41 | nan2 | anybody using lvm on top of md raid1 and using grub2 from lenny? does the recent update work? |
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| 21:07.44 | Ghostonz | i ve done install linux with some errors and tried start it by myself..but i cant yet, ok? |
| 21:07.52 | subsume | is the web address/filename part of an HTTPS request secure, or just the contents? |
| 21:07.55 | dondelelcaro | nan2: just use a separate raid1 /boot; it's the way to go. |
| 21:08.04 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: ok, so you installed, but the bootloader wasn't installed? |
| 21:08.06 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: pastebin coming up! Xorg.0.log ......... |
| 21:08.12 | dondelelcaro | subsume: the address isn't, but the filename is. |
| 21:08.42 | nathanmuntz | and i cant paste the files because im on a differnt pc |
| 21:08.42 | subsume | dondelelcaro: so if I'm using wget to securely move data from A to B, party C can't see where this file might be on server A to also grab it? |
| 21:08.43 | drwahl | does anyone know what athcool actually does? is it just cpu stepping? |
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| 21:08.54 | nan2 | dondelelcaro: it even work with with /boot on lvm on md raid1 - i am just not sure it will work after the update |
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| 21:08.58 | dondelelcaro | subsume: yes, but you shouldn't ever move files that way. |
| 21:09.02 | dondelelcaro | subsume: use rsync instead. |
| 21:09.13 | subsume | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. |
| 21:09.13 | scatterp | hmm am i here? |
| 21:09.15 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: boot the CD again, but choose "expert" mode, and go straigt to the grub installation step (assuming everything else is installed fine) |
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| 21:09.19 | dondelelcaro | nan2: only grub2 will, and it's very fragile. |
| 21:09.20 | Ghostonz | kernel must be loaded before booting ok? |
| 21:09.40 | Ghostonz | grub cant install |
| 21:09.46 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: why not? |
| 21:09.49 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: http://paste.debian.net/8814 |
| 21:10.10 | Ghostonz | ill say you the error occured |
| 21:10.28 | subsume | dondelelcaro: or scp? |
| 21:10.57 | twobitwork | subsume, dondelelcaro: isn't there an rsync that will work over ssh? |
| 21:11.00 | nan2 | dondelelcaro: yes grub2 that is - and yes i think it's fragile, too - that's why i am worried if i am thinking about to update it |
| 21:11.15 | subsume | twobitwork: scp I thought. =). not rsync, but... |
| 21:11.38 | Ghostonz | only expert mode or expertgui? |
| 21:11.57 | twobitwork | subsume: well... rsync is good if you plan to copy a bunch of files on a regular or reoccuring basis... so, doing it over ssh would make is secure |
| 21:12.07 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: either one is fine |
| 21:12.18 | subsume | twobitwork: yeah, this is one-time stuff. |
| 21:12.21 | Eulex | felipe1982, did you google the error? |
| 21:12.28 | felipe1982 | Eulex: no |
| 21:12.29 | nan2 | dondelelcaro: but well someone has to test it ;-) |
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| 21:12.36 | twobitwork | subsume: ahh... then yeah, scp :) |
| 21:12.41 | Ghostonz | ok im there |
| 21:12.46 | Ghostonz | and now? |
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| 21:12.52 | dondelelcaro | subsume: rsync is what you want; scp will work, but it's less optimal for large numbers of files |
| 21:12.52 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: you should be able to go to the grub install step |
| 21:12.53 | Ghostonz | choose lang again |
| 21:12.58 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: yes, it's called rsync. |
| 21:13.00 | Ghostonz | hum.. |
| 21:13.00 | Eulex | felipe1982, if you would have done so, you would have found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483080 . |
| 21:13.00 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 21:13.01 | twobitwork | ohh, sure do that stuff |
| 21:13.37 | twobitwork | at least, I'm pretty sure that going to expert mode should let to skip steps, am I wrong? |
| 21:13.40 | twobitwork | hasn't installed in a while |
| 21:13.42 | Ghostonz | ok..there isnt that option.. |
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| 21:13.54 | dondelelcaro | Ghostonz: if grub isn't an option, that means that grub isn't suppported in your configuration. |
| 21:14.23 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: what kind of computer is it? |
| 21:14.27 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: pc? mac? |
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| 21:14.57 | Ghostonz | but when ive typed expertgui..that shown me option grub install |
| 21:15.07 | Ghostonz | Pc |
| 21:15.40 | dondelelcaro | Ghostonz: this will happen if you're using lvm, for example. |
| 21:15.58 | Ghostonz | wt lvm? |
| 21:16.39 | nan2 | Ghostonz: logical volume manager |
| 21:16.55 | Ghostonz | wt to do? |
| 21:17.04 | Ghostonz | format again? |
| 21:17.17 | nan2 | Ghostonz: no |
| 21:17.21 | Ghostonz | install all linux again? |
| 21:17.42 | scatterp | hi how can i install network-manager with out downgrading libnl ? see http://rafb.net/p/JUVdPz65.html |
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| 21:17.53 | Ghostonz | please...heeeelp me |
| 21:18.21 | nan2 | Ghostonz: all went fine except installing the boot loader? |
| 21:18.23 | felipe1982 | Eulex: I read the bug, and tried to 'cp' what it said, and file was not found |
| 21:18.39 | Ghostonz | hum..and? |
| 21:18.55 | felipe1982 | Eulex: 'find /usr -iname "*wfb*" returns /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libshadowfb.so |
| 21:19.04 | nan2 | Ghostonz: there is a a question mark at the end |
| 21:19.06 | Eulex | felipe1982, hmm, odd that |
| 21:19.17 | Ghostonz | cd 1 download are 87%,, |
| 21:19.24 | fluppp | hi, i need little support upon proftpd and installing mod_tls |
| 21:19.33 | Ghostonz | end of wt? |
| 21:19.48 | wols | felipe1982: you still installed the wrong nvidia-glx |
| 21:19.51 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: you are still downloading the cdrom that you are using to install? |
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| 21:20.50 | Ghostonz | no..i have dvd1 amd 64 booting install display.. |
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| 21:21.08 | Ghostonz | cd1 aree downloading 92% |
| 21:21.13 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: what version of debian are you installing? |
| 21:21.19 | felipe1982 | wols: i did as suggested by ssb script you sent to me...unstable deb and deb-src are only ones in my sources.list |
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| 21:21.31 | felipe1982 | wols: sbb script |
| 21:21.32 | wols | felipe1982: that is utterly wrong |
| 21:21.36 | pattieja | hello |
| 21:21.41 | felipe1982 | wols: oh. |
| 21:21.48 | Ghostonz | how to know? i think are the newest |
| 21:21.48 | wols | felipe1982: ssb does NOT tell you to put unstable deb in your sources.list. remove them. NOW |
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| 21:22.07 | wols | felipe1982: and you installed not the backport nvidia-glx but the one from sid |
| 21:22.10 | wols | again |
| 21:22.11 | felipe1982 | wols: can we open another side window to reduce the 'noise'. easier for me. plz? |
| 21:22.17 | wols | no |
| 21:22.22 | wols | I don't do PMs |
| 21:22.40 | wols | delete ALL nvidia-glx files. remove ALL sid repos from sources.list and update |
| 21:22.43 | felipe1982 | wols: #1 remove unstable, enable stable. right? |
| 21:22.47 | wols | and apc-get clean too |
| 21:22.57 | wols | then rebuild the nvidia-glx drivers and install them |
| 21:23.09 | pattieja | I've gotten Lenny installed and need to build a kernel that has vserver support as well as support for 4GB or greater memory. The existing Debian vserver kernels only seem to have up to 4GB RAM support. I am not able to find the kernel-patch-vserver debian package. Has it been removed from lenny? Thanks. |
| 21:23.09 | wols | felipe1982: how did you install nvidia-glx last time? exact command please |
| 21:23.12 | Eulex | felipe1982, uh, why did you ever 'disable' stable? |
| 21:23.16 | Ghostonz | i m normal win user.. i m not tech.. and wanting try linux system..maybe some stupid shortcuts to you are not to me...;) |
| 21:23.20 | felipe1982 | wols: apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers from 'stable' yes? |
| 21:23.29 | wols | pattieja: use a 64bit kernel |
| 21:23.34 | wols | felipe1982: NO |
| 21:23.41 | twobitwork | Ghostonz: try this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 21:23.49 | wols | that doesn't install it. how did you install nvidia-glx the last time? |
| 21:23.51 | Ghostonz | so how to know specif version of my dvd.. |
| 21:24.05 | wols | Ghostonz: look at the iso filename |
| 21:24.19 | fas3r | it's possible to convert file fs to LVM crypt ? |
| 21:24.22 | Ghostonz | i was there..i did follow all steps.. |
| 21:24.48 | pattieja | wols, I suppose there will not be any issues with running a completely 32-bit Debian installation with a 64-bit kernel? |
| 21:24.51 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: nvidia-glx from unstable wouldn't install because of missing deps |
| 21:24.54 | wols | pattieja: no |
| 21:25.07 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: missing nvidia-kernel-173-*** |
| 21:25.12 | wols | felipe1982: I ask for the last time now: eithre you answer or you will be on your own |
| 21:25.24 | wols | how did you install nvidia-glx the last time. what exact command? |
| 21:25.39 | Eulex | felipe1982, right. it wants you to compile the kernel module firstly before doing so. |
| 21:25.46 | wols | Eulex: no I don't |
| 21:26.00 | wols | Eulex: the kernel module is already fine |
| 21:26.03 | felipe1982 | dpkg -i nvidia-glx that appeared in my /root after building it with "apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers" like it said in the backport instructions |
| 21:26.03 | dpkg | removes a speen from felipe1982 and replaces it with nvidia-glx that appeared in my /root after building it with "apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers" like it said in the backport instructions |
| 21:26.36 | Eulex | wols, I was referring to his statement that nvidia-glx wouldn't install. |
| 21:26.43 | Ghostonz | Debian 4.0 r3 amd |
| 21:26.55 | Eulex | felipe1982, wols, but right, he shouldn't have installed the one from sid at all |
| 21:27.28 | wols | felipe1982:you had deb sources from sid and not just deb-src thus your backport is worthless. you need to remove all sid packages you installed |
| 21:27.32 | wols | ALL of them |
| 21:27.49 | wols | felipe1982: and the ssb factoid said explicitly deb-src ONLY. |
| 21:28.01 | wols | If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. |
| 21:28.02 | felipe1982 | Eulex: wols: bare with me now, i'm purging all sid packages |
| 21:28.04 | xushi | how can i get colors to work in ls under root? it never does when i su into it |
| 21:28.04 | wols | like this |
| 21:28.16 | wols | no deb there anywhere |
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| 21:28.57 | pattieja | wols, I think the only issue I can see at this point is that I need to use a patch that only supports 32-bit architectures |
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| 21:30.12 | Ghostonz | wols: my version is debian4.0r3amd 64 |
| 21:30.14 | pattieja | wols, so I was attempting to compile my own kernel that has vserver support and greater than 4GB RAM turned on |
| 21:30.23 | Ghostonz | and why to know that? |
| 21:30.36 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: all sid packages purged |
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| 21:30.56 | wols | felipe1982: now redo it |
| 21:31.12 | wols | and if 173.x doesn't work. get 169.x from snapshots.debian.net |
| 21:31.47 | felipe1982 | wols: Eulex: adding ONLY deb-src for sid main contrib non-free and stable main contrib and non-free correct? |
| 21:32.03 | wols | yes |
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| 21:32.07 | wols | NO deb .... line at al |
| 21:32.33 | Eulex | felipe1982, you should have a deb line for stable main |
| 21:32.36 | Eulex | anyway, good night. |
| 21:32.38 | wols | and before you start, paste theoutput of "dpkg -l |grep wfb" |
| 21:32.49 | pattieja | wols, I'd love to use a 64-bit kernel, but at this point, I don't think I have that option |
| 21:32.56 | felipe1982 | Eulex: wols: only ONE line in sources.list -> deb-src for unstable nonfree contrib main correct? |
| 21:33.05 | wols | felipe1982: not correct |
| 21:33.14 | felipe1982 | deb line for stable main |
| 21:33.24 | wols | you need the sources.list you started with and ADD deb-src for sid. nothing more nothing less |
| 21:33.31 | felipe1982 | wols: ok |
| 21:33.35 | wols | and for security, and stable contrib and non-free etc |
| 21:33.49 | wols | a normal debian stable sources.list which has a deb-src line for sid ADDED |
| 21:33.51 | wols | no replacement |
| 21:34.01 | Ghostonz | can i install kernel from usb flashmemory? |
| 21:34.14 | wols | Ghostonz: yes |
| 21:34.17 | Ghostonz | remember i have no bootloadr |
| 21:34.33 | wols | you can add a bootloader from flash memory too |
| 21:34.44 | felipe1982 | wols: finished. Now I will follow back port instructions for "nvidia-graphics-drivers" backport correct? |
| 21:34.46 | wols | and you should if you want a working debian |
| 21:34.55 | wols | felipe1982: apt-get update first |
| 21:34.59 | Ghostonz | hum... |
| 21:35.01 | Ghostonz | cool |
| 21:35.02 | felipe1982 | wols: finished |
| 21:35.16 | wols | now apt-get source (no -b) the nvidia sources |
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| 21:36.29 | Vladimiroff | hello guys |
| 21:36.48 | Vladimiroff | I've installed debian lenny testing just right now |
| 21:36.51 | felipe1982 | wols: finished. Now I will follow back port instructions for "nvidia-graphics-drivers" backport correct? |
| 21:36.54 | Vladimiroff | but I have a problem with one package |
| 21:36.55 | wols | no |
| 21:36.57 | Vladimiroff | debian:/home/nc# apt-get install libgtkmm-2.4-dev |
| 21:36.57 | Vladimiroff | Reading package lists... Done |
| 21:36.57 | Vladimiroff | Building dependency tree |
| 21:36.57 | Vladimiroff | Reading state information... Done |
| 21:36.57 | Vladimiroff | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
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| 21:37.05 | Vladimiroff | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 21:37.06 | wols | felipe1982: go into the source directory and run "dpkg-buildpackage" |
| 21:37.07 | Vladimiroff | Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that |
| 21:37.09 | Vladimiroff | the package is simply not installable and a bug report against |
| 21:37.11 | Vladimiroff | that package should be filed. |
| 21:37.13 | Vladimiroff | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 21:37.14 | wols | Vladimiroff: stop! |
| 21:37.15 | Vladimiroff | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:37.17 | nathanmuntz | how do i configure xorg??? |
| 21:37.17 | Vladimiroff | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.19 | Vladimiroff | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.21 | Vladimiroff | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.23 | Vladimiroff | E: Broken packages |
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| 21:37.26 | wols | Vladimiroff: stop this! |
| 21:37.27 | Vladimiroff | I'm sorry! |
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| 21:37.45 | felipe1982 | wols: which one is source directory? |
| 21:38.12 | wols | there is only one directory with the name nvidia-graphics-drivers.... |
| 21:38.18 | Vladimiroff | very sorry again...forgot about the pastebin |
| 21:38.23 | Vladimiroff | so... here is it: http://www.code-bg.com/1658 |
| 21:38.54 | wols | felipe1982: it's in your current directory |
| 21:39.02 | Vladimiroff | how can I install this package? |
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| 21:39.16 | wols | !tell nathanmuntz about drxx |
| 21:39.34 | wols | felipe1982: have you found it? |
| 21:39.51 | felipe1982 | wols: /root is empty |
| 21:40.06 | wols | felipe1982: what was the current directory when you ran apt-get source? |
| 21:40.32 | felipe1982 | wols: did you mean "apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers"? I didn't run it yet, waiting for orders |
| 21:40.49 | wols | I already told you to run it. WITHOUT the -b |
| 21:41.05 | wols | 23:35 < wols> now apt-get source (no -b) the nvidia sources |
| 21:41.21 | th0ger | I want to switch / from ext2 to ext3. Is it best to use tune2fs on the mounted disk, or should i use a live-cd? |
| 21:41.55 | felipe1982 | wols: apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers --------- correct? |
| 21:41.55 | wols | th0ger: unmount the disk |
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| 21:41.56 | Vladimiroff | can somebody help me with this problem: http://www.code-bg.com/1658 ? |
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| 21:41.57 | wols | yes. it doesn't hurt if you engage you brain once in a while instead of rotely doing what you've been told |
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| 21:42.13 | felipe1982 | wols: i'm trying, and it does hurt |
| 21:42.37 | th0ger | wols: Ok, google say to run mkinitrd. Should i also do that from the live cd? |
| 21:42.45 | wols | th0ger: google is wrong |
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| 21:43.04 | felipe1982 | wols: i appreciate your help wols. thank you |
| 21:43.16 | wols | so is it done already? |
| 21:43.23 | felipe1982 | wols: its downloading and processing stuff, let you know when it is done |
| 21:43.28 | wols | k |
| 21:43.35 | wols | damn nvidia bloat |
| 21:44.04 | felipe1982 | wols: i now have 4 files in my /root all beginning with "nvidia-graphics-drivers" but i have no .deb |
| 21:44.08 | wols | th0ger: you can dpkg-reconfigure your kernel image but only if chrooted when in the live cd |
| 21:44.20 | wols | felipe1982: but you have a directory of that name. go in there |
| 21:44.48 | th0ger | wols: but it is necessary? |
| 21:44.58 | wols | th0ger: unlikely. doesn't hurt tho |
| 21:45.10 | wols | th0ger: personally I wouldn't do it |
| 21:45.21 | th0ger | wols: okay |
| 21:45.32 | wols | felipe1982: well? |
| 21:45.38 | Vladimiroff | yeah...thanks for the "help" |
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| 21:45.55 | wols | !customer |
| 21:45.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:45.56 | felipe1982 | wols: yes. i am in the dir |
| 21:46.06 | wols | felipe1982: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:46.16 | felipe1982 | wols: ok |
| 21:46.24 | wols | say when done |
| 21:47.01 | felipe1982 | wols: fakeroot command not found? |
| 21:47.01 | wols | th0ger: you could also remount the partition ro and don't use a live cd |
| 21:47.06 | th0ger | wols: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/ext2toext3.htm#_two2three says i wont be able to boot, if i donn't run mkinitrd. |
| 21:47.18 | wols | felipe1982: if you are root, ignor the fakeroot. only dpkg-buildpackage then |
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| 21:47.35 | fas3r | i have remote server and i need to restart it in single mode .. it's possible to restart it in single mode but just one time ? |
| 21:47.54 | felipe1982 | wols: working..... |
| 21:48.19 | wols | th0ger: is this a debian howto? |
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| 21:48.32 | felipe1982 | wols: warning: failed to sign .dsc and .changes file <- important? |
| 21:48.35 | wols | and if you redo the initrd while you are on the live cd, $deity knows what happens |
| 21:48.41 | wols | felipe1982: no |
| 21:49.06 | th0ger | wols: no, its not distro specific. I havent been able to find a debian specific one |
| 21:49.09 | felipe1982 | wols: more files in /root a few .deb's |
| 21:49.20 | wols | th0ger: initrd-2.4.18-26.8.0.img is god knows what shite. not debian that's for sure |
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| 21:49.30 | felipe1982 | wols: n*glx, n*glx-dev and n*kernel-source |
| 21:49.43 | wols | th0ger: remount read only, convert, change fstab and remount rw again. |
| 21:49.57 | wols | and make your initrd again (and no you don't have mkinitrd and it doesn't work either) |
| 21:50.04 | wols | felipe1982: install glx |
| 21:50.09 | wols | felipe1982: then run startx |
| 21:50.35 | magyar | anyone using skype with lenny? is there a way to run it in a "safe mode" ? |
| 21:50.42 | wols | felipe1982: make sure glx is uninstalled (the old one) |
| 21:50.45 | wols | ebfore you install the new one |
| 21:50.50 | wols | !skype |
| 21:50.50 | dpkg | skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program and is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" |
| 21:51.11 | wols | magyar: for support, ask skype. not us |
| 21:51.18 | magyar | wols: I read that, therefore I was asking about "safe mode" |
| 21:51.28 | felipe1982 | wols: old glx is purged (old one) and install of new glx failed error: "nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-173.14.09" not found |
| 21:51.30 | wols | magyar: ask skype. whateevr "safe mode" is |
| 21:51.41 | wols | felipe1982: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 21:51.45 | themill | magyar: what do you think a "safe mode" for skype would be? |
| 21:51.56 | wols | felipe1982: you had the kernel module from your m-a runs before? |
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| 21:52.09 | magyar | wols: "an evil obfuscated black-box " << so i figured maybe there is a way to run it of a virtual machine |
| 21:52.25 | wols | magyar: skype is evil and a VM is no security barrier |
| 21:52.26 | willPow3r | hey fellas |
| 21:52.36 | felipe1982 | wols: hang on |
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| 21:52.38 | magyar | hmm, that sucks |
| 21:52.38 | kanzure | willPow3r: Looks like it was because of logging in with root. |
| 21:52.47 | kanzure | willPow3r: So, thanks for at least trying. :-) |
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| 21:52.54 | themill | magyar: you could try running it a chroot or in a vm but that doesn't really change the mess that it is. (having said that, I use skype from time to time...) |
| 21:52.58 | th0ger | wols: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-xxx? |
| 21:53.10 | wols | th0ger: you don't have kernel-image anything |
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| 21:53.19 | kanzure | Hi all. I'm having some difficulties configuring X11. |
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| 21:53.35 | kanzure | I poked my nose too far into the config files and now I can't get back to the working configuration. |
| 21:53.45 | kanzure | Whenever I installed debian it was able to find the proper information. |
| 21:53.52 | magyar | themill: would hate to install some peice of software that compromises the system |
| 21:53.59 | kanzure | However, running dpkg-reconfigure xsession-xorg doesn't generate that same configuration file. Why is this? |
| 21:54.03 | th0ger | wols: what is the cmd to "make my initrd again"? |
| 21:54.03 | wols | magyar: thne skype is off limits |
| 21:54.10 | magyar | yeap |
| 21:54.13 | wols | th0ger: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel |
| 21:54.31 | magyar | will run it on a ms box for now |
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| 21:55.09 | wols | yes, ther the system is already compromised. nothing really lost |
| 21:55.18 | th0ger | wols: is it linux-image-xxx? |
| 21:55.27 | kanzure | Maybe somebody knows of a good X11-reconfiguration tutorial. |
| 21:55.34 | wols | !tell kanzure about drxx |
| 21:56.06 | wols | felipe1982: well? |
| 21:56.14 | felipe1982 | wols: I did "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common" from stable and then "m-a update ; m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 21:56.18 | wols | NO |
| 21:56.27 | Ghostonz | flashmemo is on my hand now..may i have to extract iso on it? |
| 21:56.44 | felipe1982 | wols: ? |
| 21:56.44 | wols | now you installed whatever kernel module stable has, correct? |
| 21:57.11 | wols | some 87.76 version or such |
| 21:57.12 | felipe1982 | wols: yes. and that was a big mistake, wasn't it! |
| 21:57.21 | wols | it was monumentally stupid |
| 21:57.21 | Ghostonz | wols, did you talk to me? |
| 21:57.27 | wols | goes back to D2 |
| 21:57.31 | micols | anyone know why 'exec' isnt recognized in /etc/fstab ? |
| 21:57.31 | kanzure | wols: Yes, I've ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. So maybe there's another way that the debian installationscripts were doing it? |
| 21:57.40 | xushi | wols: =D lovely game.. |
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| 21:57.49 | mewshi | Hi :0 |
| 21:58.03 | wols | kanzure: no. you don't give enough data to help you, you are on your own. good night |
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| 21:58.14 | felipe1982 | wols: i'm so confused. i'm so fucked |
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| 21:58.19 | mewshi | i'm looking for something I can put on my debian box to have it automatically download the newest podcasts for a list... what do you recommend? |
| 21:58.31 | felipe1982 | wols: i appreciate your help though |
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| 21:58.38 | buu | mewshi: Cron? |
| 21:58.49 | mewshi | i mean, what program should I use? |
| 21:59.16 | buu | mewshi: cron + wget? |
| 21:59.36 | mewshi | No, i mean something to parse an RSS feed to get the newest one to download |
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| 22:00.06 | wols | felipe1982: after you have 173.x kernel module installed you can install glx and be done |
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| 22:02.22 | felipe1982 | wols: i purged nvidia-kernel-* and I installed the nvidia-kernel-source*.deb from /root; and then 'm-a update ; m-a a-i nvidia' |
| 22:02.41 | wols | 00:00 < wols> felipe1982: after you have 173.x kernel module installed you can install glx and be done |
| 22:02.44 | kanzure | Odd, wols, did I not answer a question? |
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| 22:03.37 | felipe1982 | wols: and i do that with "m-a a-i nvidia" right? |
| 22:04.11 | kanzure | How about anyone else. I am interested in fixing my X configuration errors. dpkg-reconfigure generates new conf files, but they just make the laptop lock up. Supposedly I have the old conf files (in part, with my modifications, which I have commented out to the best of my knowledge), but this isn't enough evidently. |
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| 22:04.47 | buu | Can anyone shed some light on "Starting MTA:exim abandoned: unknown, malformed, or incomplete option -bd -oX 25 -oP /var/run/exim4/exim.pid" ? |
| 22:04.53 | buu | I'm just trying to apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:05.38 | simonrvn | buu: start at /etc/default/exim4 and the BTS |
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| 22:08.04 | prahal | hi is there a mean to download packages and/or source waiting in the new queue ? |
| 22:08.11 | dondelelcaro | prahal: no |
| 22:08.19 | prahal | thanks |
| 22:08.33 | dondelelcaro | (the reason is because we don't necessarily have the right to distribute what's in the NEW queue) |
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| 22:08.49 | dondelelcaro | however, if you check the wnpp bug (or ask the maintainer directly) they may give you the source or the binary packages. |
| 22:09.35 | buu | simonrvn: I think it's possible I didn't correctly accept a new config file that the package wanted to install. |
| 22:09.42 | buu | simonrvn: Is there anyway to retry that stage? |
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| 22:10.24 | dondelelcaro | buu: generally they're left as /etc/foo/bar.dpkg-dist or similar |
| 22:10.47 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and try dondelelcaro's thing first |
| 22:11.05 | buu | dondelelcaro: Well, the file is /etc/default/exim4 |
| 22:11.23 | buu | So I don't see anything. |
| 22:11.50 | dondelelcaro | buu: that's a conffile, almost certainly; the new one is probably /etc/default/exim4.dpkg-dist; if it doesn't show up, you can try reinstalling the package, or you can check it against the distributed one |
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| 22:11.58 | prahal | gee and openjdk for debian is nowhere to be seen . I would like to hack on it though the dependencies does not match with ubuntu package :-( |
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| 22:12.21 | buu | dondelelcaro: It doesn't exist and reinstalling doesn't seem to change anything. |
| 22:12.23 | themill | prahal: openjdk is not fit for release within debian yet. It's a work in progress. |
| 22:12.30 | buu | (It just errors out with the start up error) |
| 22:12.38 | dondelelcaro | buu: hrm... and /etc/init.d/exim4 hasn't changed? |
| 22:12.43 | buu | simonrvn: dpkg-reconfigure repeated the startup error. |
| 22:12.47 | buu | dondelelcaro: No. |
| 22:13.19 | prahal | dondelelcaro, I already asked the maintenair monthes ago . becaused he phased out his people.debian.org repo when it was first uploaded to main . |
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| 22:13.31 | prahal | themill, resolved . It is back in new queue |
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| 22:13.49 | dondelelcaro | prahal: uh... if it's been stuck in NEW for that long, then it's got issues |
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| 22:13.59 | themill | dondelelcaro: it was rejected a little while ago |
| 22:14.33 | themill | dondelelcaro: it's only been in NEW for 9 hours, it seems. |
| 22:15.04 | erore | I am wondering, I have an ftp upload script and when it comes to the command put $filename the error that is loggeg says 'R dump-me-1214857523.tar': command not understood $filename = dump-me-1214857523.tar. Any ideas? |
| 22:15.08 | prahal | it has been in and out as it was first b9 then b10 then copyrights issues where found |
| 22:15.31 | simonrvn | buu: sure /etc/default/exim4 hasn't been moved or such? |
| 22:15.42 | simonrvn | "were" |
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| 22:17.17 | Pctech37|Mac | i need some help |
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| 22:17.26 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 22:17.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:17.27 | jcm | hey, speaking of exim4, I cannot get cron tasks generated mails be sent with non empty sender, though hostname, aliases and so on are configured; any idea ? |
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| 22:17.57 | prahal | there are xcb crashers even with latest sun jvm . and now that xcb is in unstable it became critical to me |
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| 22:19.52 | Ghostonz | ok..now all iso file were extract to pendrive...may i restart the other pc with ir plugd? |
| 22:20.29 | buu | simonrvn: Moved? |
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| 22:21.10 | fas3r | how to list raid partition with mdadm ? |
| 22:21.14 | Ghostonz | ok..now all iso file were extract to pendrive...may i restart the other pc with ir plugd? |
| 22:21.24 | simonrvn | buu: ls -l /etc/default/exim4* ;) |
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| 22:22.22 | Nyle | simonrvn, I need some help |
| 22:22.31 | Nyle | MSG |
| 22:22.36 | buu | simonrvn: Just the one regular ol' file. |
| 22:22.59 | Pctech37|Mac | I have a problem with doing make with Asterisk; I'm running Debian version Linux viper.vps 2.6.18-ovz028stab039.1-smp #1 SMP Tue Jul 24 12:12:48 MSD 2007 i686 GNU/Linux (Debian 4 w/ LAMP). when I try to do ./configure then make I get the following output http://pastebin.com/f117c2e70 when doing make. I expected it to compile. But, it obviusly won't (PS: I tried it twice using make clear) |
| 22:24.20 | Ghostonz | now. how can i install kernel from flash drive? |
| 22:24.43 | abrotman | Ghostonz: dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb |
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| 22:24.55 | abrotman | Pctech37|Mac: that's usually not a good sign |
| 22:25.16 | Nyle | simonrvn, check yer msg when you get the chance |
| 22:25.21 | Pctech37|Mac | What, like I never noticed? |
| 22:26.07 | EagleScreen | my computer sometimes freeze since some months ago |
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| 22:26.22 | Ghostonz | om |
| 22:26.33 | sepen | heyo |
| 22:26.38 | EagleScreen | i am user of Debian and Ubuntu since 3 years |
| 22:26.41 | Ghostonz | on my display show me: grub> |
| 22:27.03 | Ghostonz | wt command may i have put to install kernel from flash? |
| 22:27.07 | abrotman | Pctech37|Mac: usually when gcc segfaults .. either very bad code .. or bad hardware |
| 22:27.29 | EagleScreen | nowadays it sometimes happens with Debian testing and also with Kubuntu hardy |
| 22:27.34 | Pctech37|Mac | ok, so, now i do waht |
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| 22:27.40 | \amethyst | abrotman: in my experience, it can also mean very bad gcc |
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| 22:28.00 | abrotman | \amethyst: compiling asterisk on etch ? |
| 22:28.17 | Pctech37|Mac | Well, I got the server yesterday, if that helps. |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | # |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program as) |
| 22:28.31 | \amethyst | oh |
| 22:28.35 | \amethyst | that's in the assembler |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | seems to be asm generated by gcc ? |
| 22:28.39 | \amethyst | usually don't see that |
| 22:28.43 | \amethyst | hm |
| 22:28.58 | \amethyst | might be worthwhile trying a different version of gcc |
| 22:29.02 | Pctech37|Mac | I'll contact my datacenter. |
| 22:29.04 | \amethyst | though memtest86 is a good idea too |
| 22:29.13 | abrotman | it's a VPS |
| 22:29.20 | \amethyst | oh |
| 22:29.20 | \amethyst | hm |
| 22:29.32 | \amethyst | there are userspace mem testers aren't there? |
| 22:29.39 | \amethyst | I mean, they couldn't test everything, but... |
| 22:29.48 | abrotman | i mean .. i guess he could still run memtest .. dunno what it will actually test though |
| 22:29.56 | \amethyst | hm |
| 22:30.19 | sepen | ls -lh |
| 22:30.22 | sepen | ps aux |
| 22:30.52 | Ghostonz | dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb are not recognized... :( |
| 22:30.52 | dpkg | installs /path/to/file.deb are not recognized... :( into ghostonz's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 22:31.23 | abrotman | Ghostonz: what? what command did you actually type? |
| 22:31.29 | amphi | Ghostonz: what do you mean, 'not recognized'? |
| 22:31.47 | Ghostonz | grub> command |
| 22:31.59 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 22:32.17 | amphi | Ghostonz: you try to install a pacakge from the grub shell?? |
| 22:32.30 | Ghostonz | no |
| 22:32.35 | abrotman | Ghostonz: what? what command did you actually type? |
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| 22:33.42 | Ghostonz | i don t know...abrotman saids : dpkg -i/path/to/file.deb |
| 22:33.53 | abrotman | what is the exact command you typed? |
| 22:33.59 | abrotman | and what is the exact error you got ? |
| 22:34.00 | Ghostonz | that |
| 22:34.07 | Ghostonz | error 27 |
| 22:34.33 | Ghostonz | "unrecognized command" |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | Ghostonz: what does the prompt say where you are typing that in ? |
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| 22:34.55 | Ghostonz | grub> |
| 22:35.13 | abrotman | drops an anvil on amphi |
| 22:35.25 | abrotman | Ghostonz: you need to boot debian before you can do that |
| 22:35.40 | Ghostonz | hum...sorry my ignorancy |
| 22:35.40 | amphi | ;) |
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| 22:37.41 | Ghostonz | execute a shell? |
| 22:37.46 | Ghostonz | im there |
| 22:38.31 | Ghostonz | busybox v113 |
| 22:38.36 | Ghostonz | and now? |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | why are you in busybox? |
| 22:39.02 | Ghostonz | first line after execute shell |
| 22:39.15 | Ghostonz | ~# |
| 22:39.16 | apt | # is probably pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 22:39.19 | abrotman | is dpkg a command ? |
| 22:39.28 | abrotman | if you type 'dpkg -l' .. what happens ? |
| 22:39.37 | Ghostonz | wait |
| 22:40.50 | Ghostonz | ./bin/sh: dpkg:not fund |
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| 22:41.19 | abrotman | how did you mess up your machine to be in busybox ? |
| 22:41.23 | Ghostonz | thats rigth place? |
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| 22:42.45 | |inuxmath | how do i add a route permanently so that I don't have to add it manually every time my vpn connection is up? |
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| 22:44.18 | Ghostonz | ??? |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | |inuxmath: you can put it in the post-up for the interface ? |
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| 22:45.17 | Ghostonz | and now how to install keernel? |
| 22:45.29 | pdb | is there a mirror for security.debian.org? I can't install something using apt-get because security.debian.org is not responding |
| 22:45.36 | |inuxmath | abrotman, what if i add that string to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:45.42 | plb | Does anyone know of a utility that will keep track of filesystem changes like edits and permission changes for a ext3 fs |
| 22:45.43 | abrotman | Ghostonz: you have to get the machine to boot normally |
| 22:45.50 | abrotman | |inuxmath: i doubt that will work the way you want |
| 22:45.58 | abrotman | plb: famd .. and there's another |
| 22:46.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | pdb: Are you on the machine you're trying to run apt-get from? |
| 22:46.10 | fas3r | do you know client for openvpn on windows ? |
| 22:46.19 | pdb | Blast_Hardcheese: it's a machine sitting next to me |
| 22:46.23 | Ghostonz | no without ekrnel instaled.. |
| 22:46.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | pdb: Can you ping out? |
| 22:46.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | Do you have an IP? |
| 22:46.41 | abrotman | plb: inotify |
| 22:46.55 | plb | abrotman: do they allow keeping a log of these events? |
| 22:46.58 | pdb | Blast_Hardcheese: yes and yes |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | plb: read the docs .. no idea .. |
| 22:47.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | pdb: Whoops, Sorry, gotta go, good luck with your problem though :< |
| 22:47.38 | abrotman | plb: apt-cache search inotify .. apt-cache show inotify-tools |
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| 22:48.20 | |inuxmath | abrotman, so then what did you mean? /etc/ppp/ip-up? |
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| 22:48.31 | abrotman | there should be a post-up |
| 22:48.38 | abrotman | i'm guessing .. but that file might work too |
| 22:48.48 | abrotman | but if it's ppp .. the ppp should redo the route upon connect |
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| 22:49.16 | |inuxmath | i have vpn through pptp |
| 22:49.21 | pdb | bleh |
| 22:49.22 | pdb | it works |
| 22:49.24 | pdb | thanks |
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| 22:50.16 | Ghostonz | abrotman: i really trying so hard..i need more tips.. |
| 22:50.31 | abrotman | yhou need to boot debian normally |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | !br |
| 22:50.33 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:50.44 | Ghostonz | i cant |
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| 22:51.23 | petemc | abrotman: ewrongchannel? |
| 22:51.36 | th0ger | I know this is a faq, but: How do i see the (non-kernel) boot messages? |
| 22:51.49 | Ghostonz | debian cant boot normally.. my display show only "grub>" when i try do that.. |
| 22:51.56 | petemc | th0ger: /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 22:52.34 | abrotman | petemc: enope |
| 22:52.41 | petemc | oh |
| 22:52.45 | abrotman | petemc: /whois! |
| 22:52.46 | Nyle | e? |
| 22:52.48 | Ghostonz | bootlogd not found |
| 22:53.00 | Nyle | Ghostonz, how did you isntall debian? |
| 22:53.09 | Ghostonz | from dvd |
| 22:53.15 | Ghostonz | 1 |
| 22:53.20 | Nyle | and it didn't install a kernel? |
| 22:53.24 | Nyle | how is this possible |
| 22:53.24 | Ghostonz | no |
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| 22:53.28 | th0ger | petemc: not all the messages are available in /var/log/boot |
| 22:53.29 | Nyle | rerun the installation |
| 22:53.33 | Ghostonz | i dont know |
| 22:53.36 | Nyle | its not worth trying to fix whatever is damanged |
| 22:53.46 | Ghostonz | ok] |
| 22:53.48 | Nyle | it will save less time to restart the isntall |
| 22:53.55 | Nyle | er.. |
| 22:53.59 | Nyle | save more time* waste less time* |
| 22:54.00 | Ghostonz | ill try..keep on!! |
| 22:54.19 | Nyle | Ghostonz, btw |
| 22:54.23 | Nyle | this is etch dvd right? |
| 22:54.27 | Nyle | debian 4.0r3 |
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| 22:54.59 | Nyle | Ghostonz, also skim through the install guide |
| 22:55.05 | Nyle | !tell Ghostonz -about ig |
| 22:55.08 | Ghostonz | ok rerunning...yes dvd1 debian 44.0r3 |
| 22:55.12 | Ghostonz | 4.0 |
| 22:55.13 | solemnwarning | Has anyone here configured one-time passwords under Debian? |
| 22:55.29 | Nyle | Ghostonz, if you are unsure about a step during installation |
| 22:55.31 | Nyle | ask! |
| 22:55.43 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 22:55.56 | Ghostonz | first one...expert mode..ok? |
| 22:55.56 | Nyle | Ghostonz, also have the install guide open in another comptuer too |
| 22:55.58 | Nyle | no |
| 22:56.01 | Nyle | don't do expert mode |
| 22:56.04 | Nyle | you don't need expert mode |
| 22:56.04 | Ghostonz | its open |
| 22:56.06 | Ghostonz | on this |
| 22:56.07 | Nyle | thats how you fucked up last time |
| 22:56.15 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 22:56.17 | Nyle | use debconf_priority=medium |
| 22:56.19 | Nyle | if anything |
| 22:56.23 | Ghostonz | just press enter so? |
| 22:56.26 | Nyle | yes |
| 22:56.30 | Nyle | reboot, push enter on CDrom prompt |
| 22:56.50 | Nyle | if you are not an expert, do not do expert install ;) |
| 22:56.51 | Ghostonz | done |
| 22:56.58 | Ghostonz | ;) |
| 22:57.10 | Ghostonz | choose lang! |
| 22:57.12 | Ghostonz | en |
| 22:57.20 | Nyle | you don't have to tell of every step |
| 22:57.26 | Nyle | just only ask about the one you don't understand |
| 22:57.30 | Ghostonz | sory] |
| 22:57.35 | Nyle | once again.. open the install guide in a seperate pc |
| 22:57.38 | Nyle | !ig |
| 22:57.38 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:58.10 | Ghostonz | its openned |
| 22:58.16 | Nyle | heh |
| 22:58.17 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you can expire the passwd |
| 22:58.19 | Nyle | don't just open it, read it too |
| 22:58.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:58.31 | Ghostonz | im reading |
| 22:58.37 | Ghostonz | :) |
| 22:58.45 | Nyle | good stuff, soon you will become good with debian installation |
| 22:59.21 | Ghostonz | install guide amd64 ..its my proccessor |
| 22:59.30 | Ghostonz | i hope |
| 22:59.47 | Nyle | you hope you cpu is 64bit? |
| 22:59.48 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:00.01 | Ghostonz | probe..no ethernet was detected |
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| 23:00.12 | Ghostonz | yeah |
| 23:00.29 | Nyle | what nic do you have? |
| 23:00.47 | Ghostonz | amd 64athlon x2 940 3800 |
| 23:01.05 | Nyle | which network card? |
| 23:01.08 | Ghostonz | onboard |
| 23:01.14 | Nyle | find out what chipset |
| 23:01.34 | solemnwarning | abrotman: You mean expire the shadow password and enter a new one? |
| 23:01.37 | Nyle | network chipset like what is it basically |
| 23:02.09 | abrotman | solemnwarning: nope .. just as root .. passwd -e <username> .. next time they login(interactive shell i'd guess) .. they should be forced to change it |
| 23:02.24 | Nyle | Ghostonz, right now you can continue the isntallation off the dvd |
| 23:02.34 | solemnwarning | abrotman: I want one-time passwords, not forced shadow changes |
| 23:02.37 | Nyle | Ghostonz, you can get your network to work later if you need to |
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| 23:03.14 | solemnwarning | As in I get a list of passwords which are pre-generated, allowing you to login from an untrusted host without risking your passwd |
| 23:03.28 | abrotman | solemnwarning: oh .. no idea |
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| 23:03.49 | abrotman | solemnwarning: how would they know the next passwd ? |
| 23:03.54 | Ghostonz | i have to take out dvd? |
| 23:03.58 | Nyle | I generate a random pw every 30 days and memorize it |
| 23:04.01 | solemnwarning | I would know the next passwd since I would print a list |
| 23:04.06 | Nyle | Ghostonz, if you don't want to boot from it again, take it out |
| 23:04.07 | Ghostonz | ok |
| 23:04.09 | solemnwarning | I'm thinking of writing my own PAM module to allow it |
| 23:05.01 | Ghostonz | ]ok |
| 23:05.11 | Ghostonz | lets continuos |
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| 23:05.28 | Ghostonz | no ethernet card |
| 23:06.09 | Xires | is there no bash-completion in Etch? |
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| 23:06.53 | proem | Xires: There should be. |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | solemnwarning: so you're going to print a list of .. secure passwords ? |
| 23:07.30 | \amethyst | Xires: it's part of the bash package |
| 23:07.36 | proem | Xires: Its always worked out of the box for me. |
| 23:07.40 | EagleScreen | when my system freezes, can i view some report in any log file? |
| 23:08.02 | \amethyst | Xires: in lenny it has been split off into a new package |
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| 23:08.14 | solemnwarning | abrotman: What would you consider more secure, a list of passwords which only work once, or a single password which may be caught by a keylogger? |
| 23:08.16 | Xires | \amethyst; ty, I was looking for a separate package |
| 23:08.16 | Ghostonz | hostname? whatever? |
| 23:08.30 | solemnwarning | If I loose the list I can login and delete the passwords from the host so they no longer work |
| 23:08.42 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: where is the list being kept? |
| 23:08.51 | solemnwarning | Dunno, still looking around |
| 23:08.59 | solemnwarning | Probably the users homedir |
| 23:09.13 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: then you don't know when the list has been stolen |
| 23:09.22 | solemnwarning | \amethyst: I know when I loose the paper list |
| 23:09.28 | abrotman | solemnwarning: try ##linux .. i don't really think it's a great idea |
| 23:09.29 | Ghostonz | partition disks....guided or manual |
| 23:09.31 | Ghostonz | ? |
| 23:09.33 | solemnwarning | erm |
| 23:09.44 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: oh, I was talking about the client-side list |
| 23:09.50 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: have you heard of S/Key ? |
| 23:09.57 | solemnwarning | CLIENT-side list? o_O |
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| 23:10.06 | abrotman | you know .. the one you printed |
| 23:10.07 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: the piece of paper is client-side |
| 23:10.09 | solemnwarning | Heard of it, don't know anything about it |
| 23:10.13 | solemnwarning | Oh |
| 23:10.47 | \amethyst | solemnwarning: you might look into it---it's a one-time password system that is A. reasonably widely available, and B. analyzed by cryptographers |
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| 23:11.34 | abrotman | \amethyst: but can you predict/set the future passwords? |
| 23:12.02 | abrotman | oh look .. there's even a PAM module for it |
| 23:12.29 | Ghostonz | use entire disk/use entire disk and set up lvm/use entire disk and set up encrypted lvm/manual???? |
| 23:12.41 | abrotman | Ghostonz: is there another OS on the system ? |
| 23:12.47 | Ghostonz | no |
| 23:12.56 | Ghostonz | is formated |
| 23:13.06 | Ghostonz | may i have format it again? |
| 23:13.13 | assasukasse | is it possible to use apt-get or aptitude to install a local package? like a package i downloaded? |
| 23:14.13 | \amethyst | abrotman: no, you can't. each password on the list is the hash of the next one |
| 23:14.31 | Guerin | assasukasse: why would you not just use dpkg -i? |
| 23:14.35 | proem | assasukasse: Use dpkg |
| 23:14.47 | jon_high9000 | hi. my problem is when i try to run disc one on "etch" and then attempt to start the installation process it freezes halfway thru boot sequence. |
| 23:14.49 | assasukasse | oki :D |
| 23:14.56 | Nyle | Ghostonz, seriously |
| 23:15.03 | Nyle | Ghostonz, you need to skim through the install guide |
| 23:15.03 | jon_high9000 | btw, i am running AMD64 |
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| 23:15.28 | OviloN | hi |
| 23:15.53 | Nyle | hi |
| 23:16.07 | Guerin | solemnwarning: opie is a great one-time password system in debian |
| 23:16.07 | abrotman | \amethyst: that sounds like a fun time |
| 23:16.16 | Guerin | I used it extensively while overseas |
| 23:16.27 | OviloN | i have a question concerning cairomm |
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| 23:16.45 | OviloN | i'm not sure as i'm not too experienced in linux/debian |
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| 23:17.26 | Guerin | opie has the advantahe of being insanely easy to set up, and allowing you to fall back on other auth mechanisms if you, say, lose your list o' passwords |
| 23:17.43 | \amethyst | abrotman: they are represented as six short (4-char at most) words |
| 23:17.55 | Ghostonz | hum..realy tnx... |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | \amethyst: not buying it! |
| 23:18.04 | OviloN | anyone here with some knowledge? ;o) |
| 23:18.10 | Guerin | abrotman: it's not for sale, it's free! |
| 23:18.15 | Guerin | OviloN: just ask |
| 23:18.18 | OviloN | nice |
| 23:18.36 | OviloN | well, the cairomm.h is located in /usr/include/cairomm-1.0/cairomm |
| 23:18.56 | OviloN | but i think it should be in /usr/include/cairomm-1.0/ |
| 23:19.04 | OviloN | shouldn't it? |
| 23:19.22 | \amethyst | what do you mean by 'the line 204 value' ? |
| 23:19.23 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:19.28 | OviloN | snippet from cairomm.h : #include <cairomm/context.h> |
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| 23:24.57 | OviloN | Guerin? |
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| 23:27.44 | kanzure | How weird. No matter what -X screen <var> I tell X to use, it still clones the same exact X session on the laptop LCD and the CRT to the immediate right. |
| 23:28.06 | kanzure | Is there another configuration option that I should be trying to run X with to let it work with dual monitors? |
| 23:28.16 | Guerin | OviloN: i said ask, I didn't say I could help you. I know nothing at all about cairo. |
| 23:29.19 | Lagbolt | kanzure, what vid card you using? |
| 23:29.28 | kanzure | Lagbolt: ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 |
| 23:30.02 | abrotman | Ghostonz: STOP |
| 23:30.11 | Lagbolt | kanzure, i dont have any experience with ati. i can look about. you just want to run dual head on laptop? |
| 23:30.31 | kanzure | Lagbolt: Yes. |
| 23:30.41 | abrotman | puts Ghostonz on ignore |
| 23:30.46 | kanzure | Lagbolt: CRT is displaying the same thing as the laptop LCD. |
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| 23:31.21 | kanzure | Lagbolt: But I've (supposedly) configured multiple layouts for multiple scenarios (i.e., CRT unplugged) in the xorg.conf file. Apparently this doesn't matter. |
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| 23:31.41 | bokey | abrotman: what's Ghostonz doing? |
| 23:31.46 | OviloN | Guerin, lol, yeah you're right |
| 23:31.51 | abrotman | he's talking to me with /notice |
| 23:31.56 | bokey | gee |
| 23:32.00 | OviloN | no maintainers here? |
| 23:32.01 | Lagbolt | kanzure, you are trying to do it from command line? or would yo be happy with diff xorg.conf? |
| 23:32.06 | Ghostonz | really i m sorry |
| 23:32.28 | kanzure | Lagbolt: I'm working from within bash, yes. |
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| 23:32.32 | simonrvn | !lart Ghostonz |
| 23:32.32 | dpkg | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, Ghostonz, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 23:32.40 | OviloN | well, it works for me, it was just a an idea to keep the distro "clean" |
| 23:32.42 | OviloN | cya |
| 23:32.48 | kanzure | Lagbolt: I'd like to see a working xorg.conf for this situation. That'd be awesome. |
| 23:33.19 | Lagbolt | ok check this maybe? . . . http://pastebin.com/m6d835f26 |
| 23:33.52 | Lagbolt | kanzure, using opensource driver? or proprietary? |
| 23:34.10 | kanzure | Lagbolt: Meh, whatever is available via apt-get install xserver-xorg-ati-video. |
| 23:34.39 | c0nfl|ct | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:35.09 | kanzure | Lagbolt: Link fails. |
| 23:35.33 | Ghostonz | uauhahu..did work...keernel were instaled fully...tnx all and sorry abrotman |
| 23:35.37 | Lagbolt | the pastebin? works for me. . . i got it from here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#ATI |
| 23:35.38 | ukatan | hi, I have a script I want to run a logon, and I added it to /etc/rc.local, but it won't run when I login. |
| 23:35.39 | kanzure | Lagbolt: Lynx is telling me not found. Ah, wait. There it goes. |
| 23:36.22 | Ghostonz | i didnt know wt i was doing sending notice to you... |
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| 23:36.25 | fas3r | how to test grub file ? |
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| 23:38.39 | kanzure | Lagbolt: Heh, physics at Purdue, is it? |
| 23:38.52 | Lagbolt | lol yup physics |
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| 23:41.00 | Lagbolt | kanzure, did that site help? |
| 23:41.18 | kanzure | Lagbolt: Working on it. |
| 23:43.31 | vjoe | bye |
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| 23:48.41 | nevyn | hrm |
| 23:51.16 | Nyle | Ghostonz, is all good now? |
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