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| 00:00.31 | ixion | damn nah |
| 00:00.55 | ixion | im trying to follow this command in the documentation I am reading: sudo irrecord -H macmini -d /dev/usb/hiddev0 /etc/lirc/lircd.conf |
| 00:01.54 | ixion | but yeah like I said, no /dev/usb at all |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | ixion: url? |
| 00:06.03 | ixion | http://code.google.com/p/atv-bootloader/wiki/UpdateIRDriver |
| 00:07.27 | abrotman | ixion: that's for ubuntu |
| 00:07.44 | ixion | ubuntu doesnt have that location either though |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | i'm just telling you where that kernel came from |
| 00:08.18 | ixion | all I am really intersted in is how I use irrecord |
| 00:08.22 | ixion | not the rest of the stuff there |
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| 00:08.45 | abrotman | ixion: did you patch/build your driver? |
| 00:08.57 | ixion | the module appleir loads it |
| 00:09.28 | abrotman | but you have to patch it? |
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| 00:09.46 | ixion | but regardless of that I should have some kind of equivalent to /dev/usb ... I have lots of USB devices |
| 00:10.10 | abrotman | unless your current usb system doesn't create that directory |
| 00:10.33 | ixion | u're talking about the repeat patch ? |
| 00:10.40 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 00:10.52 | abrotman | ixion: cd /dev/.static/dev/usb/ |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | maybe the ubuntu kernel does osmething different |
| 00:11.19 | ixion | abrotman: that dont exist either |
| 00:11.28 | ixion | do you have that? |
| 00:11.34 | abrotman | yes .. on a .24 kernel |
| 00:11.39 | abrotman | ixion: uname -a .. show us |
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| 00:11.46 | ixion | ok so maybe ubuntu did something different |
| 00:12.11 | abrotman | $ ls -l /dev/.static/dev/usb/hiddev0 |
| 00:12.11 | abrotman | crw-rw---- 1 root root 180, 96 2005-02-26 01:43 /dev/.static/dev/usb/hiddev0 |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | i'm not on ubuntu |
| 00:12.15 | Demosthenes | so whats the recommended laptop suspend method for lenny? I used to use hibernate, but it looks like debian's customized acpi stuff is pretty complete |
| 00:12.43 | ixion | yes I presumed that.... usually this kind of stuff is the same in debian/ubuntu though... 2.6.24-17-generic |
| 00:12.53 | ixion | and the ubuntu irc channel is a waste of time |
| 00:13.07 | abrotman | and this one won't be much help either as you can see |
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| 00:13.57 | rbanffy | abrotman: Mailing lists are _the_ option, then? |
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| 00:14.25 | ixion | yes thats my next point of call after forums |
| 00:14.36 | abrotman | rbanffy: tcp/ip over carrier pigeon ? |
| 00:14.55 | abrotman | rbanffy: you mean for alternate support places? forums or mailing lists |
| 00:15.29 | ixion | im trying to remember the name of an application that takes images of an entire system... not DD this doesnt copy empty blocks |
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| 00:15.35 | ixion | snapshots... |
| 00:15.42 | ixion | comes with a bootable CD etc |
| 00:15.42 | abrotman | ixion: please go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 00:15.48 | ixion | im not talking ubuntu |
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| 00:15.55 | abrotman | then ask ##linux |
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| 00:16.00 | ixion | true |
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| 00:29.21 | abrotman | !flw |
| 00:29.21 | dpkg | it has been said that flw25 is <nvz> greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup |
| 00:30.47 | disposable | does ntp use tcp or udp on port 123? /etc/services isn't really telling much in that regard. i need it for iptables |
| 00:30.57 | cafuego | udp |
| 00:31.13 | disposable | cafuego: thanks |
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| 00:34.17 | karsten | Where's the Debian-preferred location for specifying apache2 ServerName? |
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| 00:35.38 | dondelelcaro | karsten: generally you do that in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default or similar |
| 00:36.11 | karsten | dondelelcaro: OK. I'm getting ye olde "apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name" message |
| 00:36.24 | Sling | or /etc/apache2/apache.conf |
| 00:36.36 | karsten | Sling: Default seems to make more sense. |
| 00:36.52 | Sling | i only use apache.conf |
| 00:37.01 | Sling | works fine, saves some headtrouble |
| 00:37.08 | eldowan | Does pulseaudio provide for a way to lock a specific stream volume? |
| 00:37.13 | karsten | Sling: You're running apache or apache2? |
| 00:37.24 | Sling | im running apache2 |
| 00:37.25 | infernal_jesus | karsten, edit /etc/hosts |
| 00:37.36 | infernal_jesus | and then do hostname -f to check your FQDN |
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| 00:39.06 | dondelelcaro | karsten: oh; that usually means that /etc/hosts is misconfigured |
| 00:39.43 | karsten | infernal_jesus: dondelelcaro: yeah, I had <ip> <unqualified hostname> <fqdn> |
| 00:39.57 | karsten | Swapped the last two. "<ip> <fqdn> <host>" |
| 00:40.32 | infernal_jesus | what does 'hostname -f' say? |
| 00:40.51 | karsten | infernal_jesus: What it should, now. |
| 00:41.06 | karsten | infernal_jesus: Was returning unqualified HN previously, now FQDN. |
| 00:41.18 | infernal_jesus | ah ok |
| 00:41.23 | karsten | OK, next question is cacti, http://localhost/cacti shows Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STATIC, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /usr/share/php/adodb/adodb.inc.php on line 336 |
| 00:41.36 | karsten | ... which is a PHP4/PHP5 conflict. Trying to sortthat. |
| 00:42.18 | infernal_jesus | karsten, try removing php4 and installing php5 ? |
| 00:42.35 | abrotman | karsten: it's not a code problem ? |
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| 00:44.02 | karsten | abrotman: I don't believe it is. I haven't written that code, at any rate. |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:44.19 | karsten | How would I check what requires php4 to be installed? |
| 00:44.47 | infernal_jesus | karsten, man apt-get |
| 00:44.52 | Lagbolt | karsten, apt-cache depends php4 |
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| 00:45.04 | Lagbolt | maybe rdepends |
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| 00:46.35 | Phase | I didn't see anything using apt-cache search, but I'm looking for a program to use DDE with, anyone know of one in the debian testing repository, or maybe a tarbell I can compile from source? |
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| 00:47.13 | CrocoJet | hi all |
| 00:47.20 | cloakable | DDE? |
| 00:47.36 | CrocoJet | I have one nvidia geforce 8400GS but I am getting problem with "X" |
| 00:47.38 | Phase | Dynamic Data Exchange |
| 00:47.41 | karsten | cloakable: Dynamic Data Embedding, IIRC. Windows stuff. |
| 00:47.49 | Phase | It's on Windows.. yeah. |
| 00:47.59 | Phase | But I've got an about page pulled up saying there is a "dde" command. |
| 00:48.02 | Phase | I just can't find i. |
| 00:48.04 | Phase | it* |
| 00:48.05 | CrocoJet | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.20 | CrocoJet | http://paste.milk-it.net/681 (log do x) |
| 00:48.48 | Phase | Looks like it's used a bit with TCL too.. |
| 00:48.56 | Phase | continues his hunt |
| 00:48.58 | karsten | Phase: We call those pipes ;-) |
| 00:49.12 | CrocoJet | when I made installation of debian etch, the default driver "nv" do not works with X |
| 00:49.19 | Phase | karsten, ? |
| 00:49.23 | CrocoJet | only work when I change to "vesa" |
| 00:49.24 | karsten | !tell CrocoJet about nvidia |
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| 00:50.41 | Phase | I'm actually doing the research for a friend, trying to avoid creating my own transfer method for using mIRC in wine. |
| 00:50.53 | karsten | Phase: DDE is a Windows / OS2 feature, find the Wikipedia article on it. There's a bunch of IPC (inter-process communications) tools for Linux, GNOME and KDE support a few flavors IIUC. The basic principles in general are pipes and/or sockets though. |
| 00:50.56 | Phase | Figure if I can get DDE to work things would go a lot smoother. |
| 00:51.43 | Phase | Nah, if I can't do DDE I'll just write up a quick script to use sockets to relay information. |
| 00:51.54 | karsten | Phase: You probably want a Linux programming channel, which this isn't. Some folks here might know, I'm out of my depth. DDE is probably wahat you _don't_ want. |
| 00:52.01 | karsten | Phase: yeah, sounds about right. |
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| 00:52.52 | karsten | Phase: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+ipc&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&num=100 |
| 00:52.58 | CrocoJet | karsten, thanks |
| 00:53.12 | abrotman | how does DDE make things smoother? |
| 00:53.23 | dergringo | Hi. I created a folder and chgrp'ed it to group abc. How do I configure the system to automatically chgrp everything to abc that is beeing created inside this folder? |
| 00:53.42 | cafuego | chmod g+s folder |
| 00:54.03 | karsten | Phase: D-Bus (GNOME) or DCOP (KDE) iiuc. |
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| 00:54.06 | karsten | CrocoJet: NP. |
| 00:54.42 | karsten | dergringo: what cafuego said. Setting umask for that user helps as well. |
| 00:55.18 | cafuego | 002 or 007 would be ideal |
| 00:55.38 | dergringo | cafuego: yeah that did it. But it does not set the rights to 770 |
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| 00:58.15 | Phase | Sorry was AFK, but I'll check that out karsten, thanks. |
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| 00:58.45 | RockerMONO | in xfce4-terminal how do i get the menubar to come back using keyboard shortcuts? ^^ |
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| 00:59.04 | Phase | The Windows computer in the living room was complaining about the anti virus registration being expired, had to go fix that. |
| 00:59.15 | karsten | Phase: You're asking Windows programming questions on a Debian channel? *Way* OT BTW. |
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| 00:59.25 | karsten | Phase: ... by installing Debian on it? |
| 00:59.34 | Phase | karsten, Believe me.. I want to. |
| 00:59.47 | Phase | But.. I can't when theres games they like that won't work under WINE. |
| 00:59.47 | dergringo | karsten: I don't want to umask the user. I just want each created file inside a specific directory to belong to group abc and 770 rights |
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| 01:00.18 | Phase | I'm praying for the day EA makes a Sims2 binary though. |
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| 01:00.26 | Phase | Then it's goodbye windows forever. |
| 01:00.36 | Phase | For linux, that is.. |
| 01:00.40 | abrotman | Phase: do you actually have a Debian question ? |
| 01:00.45 | karsten | dergringo: sticky bit should do that. |
| 01:00.54 | Phase | abrotman, Mine was answered earlier. |
| 01:00.56 | karsten | dergringo: ... which is what cafuego told you. |
| 01:01.08 | Phase | Small talk a sin to you? /ignore Phase |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | Phase: wrong .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 01:01.58 | Phase | karsten, I only asked in here because the about page mentions dde working for linux, but I'll dig deeper than that now. :) |
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| 01:02.27 | karsten | notes that RockerMONO's answer is "right-click the terminal window and select the "show menubar" item from the context menu". |
| 01:02.58 | karsten | Phase: It might. I know it mostly as a Windows thing though. Linux IPC is largely what I'd given you earlier. Note that I'm not a programmer for the most part. |
| 01:03.16 | abrotman | or an admin .. |
| 01:03.20 | CrocoJet | sounds that exist new driver for nvidia |
| 01:03.21 | CrocoJet | Version: 173.14.05 |
| 01:03.21 | CrocoJet | Operating System: Linux x86 |
| 01:03.21 | CrocoJet | Release Date: May 28, 2008 |
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| 01:03.23 | abrotman | you're a manager .. eww! |
| 01:03.33 | Phase | No problems. I am in some aspects, at least a budding learner, learning all there is.. |
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| 01:04.16 | Phase | Anyway, thanks for the heads up on some different stuff to check out. |
| 01:04.41 | dergringo | cafuego, karsten: I am very sorry but I don't get it. The chmod g+s works fine. every new created file gets the correct group. But how to set automatically the rights to 770? |
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| 01:06.09 | karsten | dergringo: umask. |
| 01:06.28 | karsten | dergringo: Sticky just deals with the group/user perms, IIUC. |
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| 01:06.50 | karsten | dergringo: You can't set directory-specific umasks so far as I know. |
| 01:07.05 | manfre | Is it possible to change the default click behavior of nautilus so that double click opens target folder and closes the current, and shift+double click opens a new folder (leaving current open)? |
| 01:07.16 | karsten | dergringo: You'd want to fix perms with some post-tweak script after you modify files. I think a version control system might help you there. |
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| 01:07.36 | karsten | manfre: Yeah. Pitch Nautilus in the rubbish tip where it belongs and use a real file mangler. |
| 01:07.36 | flyinprogramer | clear |
| 01:07.43 | flyinprogramer | i wish |
| 01:07.48 | flyinprogramer | i had a million dollars |
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| 01:07.56 | karsten | flyinprogramer: Got a Debian question? |
| 01:08.03 | flyinprogramer | nope so i'm shutting up |
| 01:08.05 | manfre | karsten, i'm open to suggestions |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | manfre: why not just continue in the same window ? |
| 01:08.13 | dondelelcaro | karsten: a real file mangler, like zsh or bash. |
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| 01:08.32 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Precisely. |
| 01:08.35 | telemachus | dondelelcaro: double click a file in zsh? |
| 01:08.40 | manfre | abrotman, that would work too. I really hate the default behavior of having lots of open windows |
| 01:08.53 | karsten | manfre: bash, mc, konqueror, my own preferences. |
| 01:08.53 | telemachus | causing it to open window x, close window z, cut my hair and make coffee? |
| 01:09.00 | breegy | I just installed testing to my external usb drive, /dev/sda1. grub went to the mbr of that. grub won't boot - the BIOS can select the usb drive, but i don't even get to a grub menu |
| 01:09.18 | karsten | manfre: I generally prefer KDE to GNOME, though XFCE4 ain't bad, and my WM is WindowMaker. |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | manfre: google "nautilus spatial" should get tons of hits |
| 01:09.34 | manfre | abrotman, will do |
| 01:09.47 | karsten | manfre: The "new window" misfeature is "spatial" mode of Nautilus. |
| 01:10.11 | abrotman | welcome to windows 3.11 |
| 01:10.13 | karsten | manfre: I find Konqueror's pretty slick in general though. |
| 01:10.58 | karsten | abrotman: http://sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2822 |
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| 01:15.21 | manfre | disabled...much better |
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| 01:16.59 | dergringo | karsten: Thanks. I think I ll have a look at ACLs. |
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| 01:23.09 | Taime1 | does debian run well on eeepc? |
| 01:23.58 | Shendox | how to change default web browser for all gtk applications? i don't have gnome, only WM. |
| 01:24.03 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 01:24.03 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 01:24.20 | karsten | Taime1: Probably depends on what you mean by "well". AFAIU the eeepc is tiny, has a mini screen, a slow processor, not much memory, and/or an itty-bitty hard drive. |
| 01:24.40 | karsten | Taime1: Runs: very likely. "Well" is going to very much depend on your expectations. |
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| 01:27.28 | karsten | Taime1: 900 MHz CPU, 512 MB RAM, 4GB flash drive. |
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| 01:27.53 | karsten | Taime1: vs. 2x3GHz 64 bit CPU, 4 GB RAM, 1TB disk on my most recent desktop. |
| 01:28.14 | Bac9 | does anyone know why in firefox when I open a new tab then try to open a bookmark, it opens in another new tab, but if I open a bookmark from a tab that has something loaded then the bookmark opens in the current tab? |
| 01:28.20 | karsten | Taime1: For the price, I'd look at a used Thinkpad, frankly. |
| 01:28.42 | karsten | Bac9: That depends on how you've got FFX configured. |
| 01:29.08 | karsten | Bac9: I install the TabMixPlus extension and configure tab opening / closing behavior. |
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| 01:29.21 | Bac9 | karsten: what config option would this be? I'd like to set it such that it always opens bookmarks in current tab, be it a blank tab or not |
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| 01:30.11 | Bac9 | karsten: annoyingly enough the tabmixplus config window doesn't appear under X, but it does under win32 |
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| 01:30.42 | Bac9 | karsten: although I do have same problem on another win32 box, and I've tried tabmixplus options there |
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| 01:31.03 | karsten | Bac9: That appears to be a glitch. |
| 01:31.25 | Bac9 | karsten: is it a known bug or a config conflict? |
| 01:31.34 | karsten | Bac9: Menubar: Edit > Preferences > Tabs > Tab Mix Plus Options |
| 01:31.52 | karsten | Bac9: ... the window may not appear the first time. |
| 01:32.22 | karsten | Bac9: The "Links" tab should then configure the new window / opening links from <source> behavior. |
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| 01:32.56 | Bac9 | karsten: I've clicked "tab mix plus options" button several times already and still no window |
| 01:33.01 | karsten | Bac9: Second time through, Menubar: Tools > Tab Mix Plus Options worked for me, faster access. |
| 01:33.12 | Bac9 | karsten: didn't for me |
| 01:33.13 | karsten | Bac9: Check to see that there's not a very small window somewhere on your screen. |
| 01:33.22 | karsten | Bac9: I have that happen occasionally. |
| 01:33.26 | Bac9 | karsten: nothing new in the window list |
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| 01:34.37 | karsten | Hrm. |
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| 01:35.12 | karsten | Guessing: Uninstall/reinstall the Tab Mix Plus add-on, restarting Firefox after removal / reinstall (so, twice). |
| 01:35.23 | karsten | Bac9: All I can say is that that's a bug. |
| 01:35.45 | karsten | Bac9: FWIW, I find Konqueror does tabs the way I want it to, in general, and is snappier on a slightly older system. |
| 01:35.55 | karsten | ... than firefox/iceweasel. |
| 01:36.31 | Bac9 | karsten: I agree, the Linux version of firefox is horibly slow... however no other browser (that's supported by Debian) does everything I need |
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| 01:36.36 | karsten | Bac9: Iceweasel 2.0.0.14 / Tab Mix Plus 0.3.6 |
| 01:36.46 | Bac9 | karsten: same here |
| 01:36.56 | karsten | Bac9: Konqueror doesn't do _everything_ I need, but it does most of it. |
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| 01:37.23 | Bac9 | karsten: in any case, back to the bookmark behaviour, is there any way I can change it via about:config? |
| 01:37.27 | karsten | Bac9: I generally keep both browsers up. And MSIE6 (under Linux) for when I absolutely, positively, *must* shoot myself in the foot. |
| 01:37.42 | karsten | Bac9: NFC. There's a mozilla / firefox support channel though, I think. |
| 01:37.48 | Bac9 | karsten: msie works under wine? |
| 01:38.03 | Bac9 | karsten: channel on this server? |
| 01:38.12 | karsten | Bac9: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page |
| 01:38.14 | mimcpher | Bac9, mozilla has its own irc server |
| 01:38.38 | Bac9 | karsten: oh, you're right, there is a #firefox |
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| 01:39.03 | mimcpher | Bac9, you're still probably better joining their own server. |
| 01:39.15 | karsten | Bac9: What mimcpher said. |
| 01:39.22 | Bac9 | mimcpher: probably |
| 01:39.31 | karsten | likes the ies4linux logo. |
| 01:40.52 | Taime1 | lemme ask a different question:does debian INSTALL easily on eeepc? hehe |
| 01:41.16 | Bac9 | karsten: have you tried FF3 under Linux? I am waiting for more extensions to support it before I switch |
| 01:43.13 | Lagbolt | Taime1, yes it does |
| 01:43.45 | Taime1 | cuz im looking for something that work out of the box on eeepc besides the default xandros |
| 01:43.47 | liable | Taime1: yes, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 01:43.52 | karsten | Bac9: no. |
| 01:43.54 | Taime1 | ah.. thanks |
| 01:44.10 | karsten | Bac9: There's a hack to support old extentions under FF3, per /. |
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| 01:44.16 | karsten | doesn't read /. ... |
| 01:44.24 | karsten | ... he only looks at the center/.folds. |
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| 01:45.00 | liable | please hand in your geek id |
| 01:45.23 | Bac9 | karsten: true there's always 'mr tech local install'... but I'd rather they'd be supported officially |
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| 01:46.02 | karsten | liable: No! The shame! |
| 01:46.17 | stew | does icedove really not have gpg support? |
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| 01:46.19 | karsten | Bac9: I prefer to wait for stuff to be packaged for Debian, in general. |
| 01:46.27 | liable | stew: enigmail |
| 01:46.27 | Bac9 | liable: they are center/.folds of beawolf clusters of blade servers |
| 01:46.33 | liable | heh |
| 01:46.46 | stew | liable: thanks |
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| 01:47.03 | karsten | Feh. |
| 01:47.05 | Bac9 | karsten: I make exceptions when Debian's versions are way out of date and manual install is easy enough |
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| 01:47.27 | karsten | curses at apach2 / libapach2-mod-php5 |
| 01:48.08 | stew | is gpg completely pgp compatible? |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | there is no more pgp .. it is gpg |
| 01:48.21 | karsten | stew: Pretty much. |
| 01:48.23 | stew | these people keep telling me that they can't use my key |
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| 01:48.30 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 01:48.33 | karsten | abrotman: Don't tell PGP Corp. that. |
| 01:48.53 | Taime1 | im a little unclear about copying the img to a usb. i have never used the dd command ... |
| 01:48.55 | stew | and i don't know why, i've sent it to them in every form i can think of as well as pointed them to websites and hkp servers |
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| 01:49.08 | karsten | stew: There have been some inconsistancies between keys, was a bug with GPG that didn't like how some PGP keys were done. |
| 01:49.23 | karsten | stew: Was the error that your key was expired? |
| 01:49.44 | Taime1 | do i need to format my usb drive? and is there a way to copy the img to the usb besides using dd? |
| 01:49.52 | stew | karsten: the only error they explicitly told me about was "PGP Error - The message/data contains detached signature." |
| 01:49.53 | liable | Taime1: exactly like it says.. dd if=debian-eeepc.img of=/dev/yourthumbdrive |
| 01:50.31 | liable | Taime1: when you plug your drive in, what does dmesg say? |
| 01:50.34 | stew | karsten: which i assume was them not dealing with my signature as an attachment, but i also sent them my public key ascii armoured and send them hkp addresses and http addresses |
| 01:50.54 | karsten | stew: That sounds like a MIME handling error in a mailer. |
| 01:50.56 | Taime1 | i supposethen, i do not need to wory about the other fles on my usb drive? |
| 01:51.04 | Taime1 | damn kb... |
| 01:51.06 | Taime1 | sorry |
| 01:51.10 | karsten | stew: Try signing inline. |
| 01:51.18 | liable | Taime1: yes it will wipe the partition table |
| 01:51.29 | Taime1 | i see |
| 01:51.47 | stew | karsten: i've sent it to them every way i can think of |
| 01:51.54 | Taime1 | do i need to be in the directorywhere theimg is saved to use the dd command? |
| 01:51.59 | karsten | stew: Trying to find the bug I uncovered which actually ended up being in gnupg, not PGP. It treated certain keys (non-expiring) as already-expired, bad header. Soem older gnupg instances still have that problem. |
| 01:52.13 | liable | Taime1: no, but you need to supply the path if you are not |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | stew: try it without all that fancy encryption stuff |
| 01:52.18 | stew | karsten: i also tried creating a brand new key |
| 01:52.20 | karsten | pgpdump is very useful for stuff like that. |
| 01:52.24 | Taime1 | k, then i think im clear then.. thanks |
| 01:52.27 | stew | abrotman: try what? |
| 01:52.33 | karsten | stew: You run it, have them run it, compare output. |
| 01:52.42 | abrotman | stew: sending it :) |
| 01:52.48 | karsten | stew: Might want to post the issue either to the Debian BTS or one of the crypto lists. |
| 01:52.55 | stew | karsten: i have no idea what it is however |
| 01:52.59 | karsten | stew: What's remote running? |
| 01:53.03 | stew | karsten: i don't konw |
| 01:53.07 | karsten | !pgpdump |
| 01:53.10 | stew | karsten: that error is all they have told me |
| 01:53.21 | SerajewelKS | where is the default alsa configuration file? |
| 01:53.22 | stew | now they want to schedule a phone call for later tonight |
| 01:53.33 | karsten | !find pgpdump |
| 01:53.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pgpdump' (1): (/usr/bin/pgpdump) in utils/pgpdump. |
| 01:53.41 | SerajewelKS | where all the dmix magic happens |
| 01:53.54 | stew | i have no idea what they even WANT to do with my pgp key |
| 01:54.06 | karsten | stew: I worked QA for a certain reasoably decent privacy company for a while. |
| 01:54.21 | karsten | stew: pgpdump is your friend. |
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| 01:56.40 | stew | i wonder if maybe they don't like the fact that my keys are signed |
| 01:57.03 | karsten | stew: Absent more precise debug / error output it's hard to say. |
| 01:58.01 | stew | karsten: please just fix it |
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| 01:59.11 | Taime1 | does debian run well on eeepc |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | stew: i've had good luck in #gnupg .. but IIRC it's usually earlier in the dahy |
| 01:59.14 | Taime1 | ops\ |
| 01:59.16 | karsten | stew: Bend over and hand me the dykes. |
| 01:59.18 | Taime1 | sorry |
| 01:59.22 | Taime1 | ignore that |
| 01:59.24 | karsten | !fix stew |
| 01:59.24 | dpkg | takes stew to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 02:04.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: huh; if they can't use your key, they've probably got problems of their own. |
| 02:05.17 | stew | dondelelcaro: i'm certain of that. i really was just wondering if eventually they are going to tell me "oh GPG? no we need PGP" |
| 02:06.42 | abrotman | stew: i really thought they were the same now .. though i guess they could have some older version of PGP |
| 02:07.23 | fas3r | it exist alternative instead of asterix for sccp ? ( and callmanager) ? |
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| 02:07.42 | scatterp | hi is there any program to download a list of urls but multithreaded ? |
| 02:08.26 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: wget. |
| 02:10.20 | scatterp | how would wget support multi threading ? |
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| 02:13.25 | scatterp | dondelelcaro ? |
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| 02:15.30 | stew | for url in urls ; do wget "$url" & ; done |
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| 02:19.22 | scatterp | so if i do loads of & wgets |
| 02:19.34 | scatterp | will i be able to max out my 20mbit line |
| 02:19.42 | scatterp | downloading some random html files ? |
| 02:20.01 | stew | scatterp: depends on the other end |
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| 02:20.40 | ampex | anyone know how to turn on/off write caching on a scsi or usb storage device? |
| 02:20.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | i doubt you could, because the connect -> download _> disconnect -> reconnect would kill your speed |
| 02:21.16 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: depends on the size of the files he is downloding |
| 02:21.21 | scatterp | stew random files across the internet ... |
| 02:21.24 | liable | take not that many web masters take a very dim view of people doing recursive wgets on their sites. |
| 02:21.43 | scatterp | liable i am not talking about that |
| 02:21.54 | stew | scatterp: then "maybe" |
| 02:21.59 | scatterp | i am trying to establish if wget is really multi threaded |
| 02:22.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew, true, but ithey would have to be pretty big html files |
| 02:22.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | rtfm page or ask #wget ? |
| 02:22.22 | scatterp | ahh good idea |
| 02:22.25 | scatterp | #wget :D |
| 02:22.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | :D |
| 02:22.32 | scatterp | thx |
| 02:22.44 | scatterp | Kamping_Kaiser wins best answer of the day |
| 02:23.20 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: it itself isn't, but there's generally no point in using it as if it were |
| 02:23.36 | dondelelcaro | scorche|sh: if you need it to be multithreaded, you have it kick out a list of urls to get, and then retrieve them using xargs+wget |
| 02:23.49 | dondelelcaro | s/scorche|sh/scatterp/ |
| 02:23.56 | scatterp | dondelelcaro due to the nature of linux ? |
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| 02:24.35 | dondelelcaro | scatterp: due to the fact that your primary limitation should be your bandwidth to the remote site |
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| 02:26.09 | scatterp | ok so if i had a diffrent program that downloads a website |
| 02:26.13 | scatterp | and i did the same |
| 02:26.19 | scatterp | would it work the same way ? |
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| 02:32.42 | wad | My debian box shares 3 printers over samba. All the windows boxen on the LAN can see all three printers. But this one Kubuntu box can only see one of them. Any ideas? Where should I look for hints on what is wrong? |
| 02:33.06 | markybob | this isnt #kubuntu |
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| 02:34.19 | wad | markybob: By gum, you're right! |
| 02:34.38 | wad | I'm just used to going to #debian because my servers are all debian. But this box is a Kubuntu box. |
| 02:37.15 | dcsimon | when I shutdown/reboot debian, the root hard drive doesn't seem to get unmounted, how can I fix that? |
| 02:37.48 | dcsimon | using debian testing, btw |
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| 02:40.40 | kalila | there must be a word list file on debian / Linux, can you guys point me to it? |
| 02:40.45 | kalila | file with big long list of words |
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| 02:41.52 | cafuego | a dictionary, you mean? |
| 02:41.58 | cafuego | if you install one, it will exist |
| 02:42.10 | cafuego | hint: spell checkers come with dictionaries |
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| 02:45.36 | cybermad | how to backup all of my debian system into image, so i can restore the backup image if got crash |
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| 02:45.49 | epoxy | hey there... what would a usb serial device be called in /dev? |
| 02:45.58 | Ryan52 | epoxy: /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 02:46.03 | cafuego | epoxy: ttyUSB0 usially |
| 02:46.19 | sulo | Hi, I'm installing Debian using the netinstall disc, debian 4.0r3. I need the iwlwifi_mac80211 module to connect to my network, but it doesn't seem to be included on the netinstall cd. Tried to google for a solution, but no luck. Is there any Debian (preferably netinstall) disc with this module on it? |
| 02:46.21 | cafuego | !info mondo |
| 02:46.34 | cybermad | !backup |
| 02:46.35 | dpkg | from memory, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ... |
| 02:46.39 | Lagbolt | cybermad, partimage |
| 02:46.44 | epoxy | ah, alrighty. that's what i read..hoping it was something different :) |
| 02:46.44 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.24-2 (sid), Packaged size: 403 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 02:46.51 | cybermad | !partimage |
| 02:46.55 | cybermad | Lagbolt thanks |
| 02:46.57 | epoxy | goes back to wiring usb ports to motherboard |
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| 02:47.06 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 02:50.19 | Ryan52 | Anybody here use xen-tools on lenny? If so, can you help me. Can you pastebin a /etc/xen/made_with_xen_tools.cfg? |
| 02:50.19 | cafuego | and stay out |
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| 02:51.44 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:53.07 | sulo | hmm, maybe I should rephrase my question: is there any debian install cd with support for wireless chipset intel 3945abg? |
| 02:53.53 | abrotman | don't they all require firmware? |
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| 02:54.11 | abrotman | if so .. i'd wager no |
| 02:54.22 | sulo | abrotman, oh.. maybe so. I don't know :( |
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| 02:55.12 | cafuego | notes he runs ubuntu on his 3945abg laptop and the wifi all just works fine |
| 02:55.27 | cafuego | and OOTB, for that matter |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | yeah .. but you're non-free trash! |
| 02:56.18 | stew | a 3945 requires non-free firmware |
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| 02:56.37 | Caelum | can't you just install on a usb dongle? |
| 02:56.40 | cafuego | Yeah... it gets tricky when you want to use wifi and not sit on 11Mbit |
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| 02:58.01 | cafuego | soooo bored of surfing |
| 02:58.13 | sulo | Caelum, put the iwlwifi package on a usb stick and load it into the netinstall disk? |
| 02:58.22 | sulo | Caelum, ...kernel |
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| 02:58.39 | Caelum | sulo: you can put whatever you want in a netinst image |
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| 02:59.43 | Caelum | sulo: but I meant, use some other form of network connectivity to do the initial install then do the firmware stuff later |
| 02:59.43 | sulo | Caelum, okay. I guess I'll go find a good howto on ho to make my own netinstall disc |
| 02:59.44 | liable | sulo: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/ |
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| 02:59.44 | sulo | Caelum, that's not an option. only have wireless net in my bldng |
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| 02:59.49 | sulo | liable, thank you |
| 03:00.20 | liable | yw |
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| 03:03.58 | andrboot | Hi;i have done a dumb thing.. i have e16 installed... so i added the repo for e17 and told it to apt-get.... now.. its trying to overright e16 but cannot apt-get is crashing out.. any idea how to remove e16? |
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| 03:04.59 | Caelum | andrboot: put DPkg { Options { "--force-overwrite"; }; }; into your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 03:05.33 | ninjaslim | if i were to comment out the entries for stable is my sources.list and only leave in the sid entries, that'd migrate my system sid right on the next update (i haven't used Debian muhc) |
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| 03:06.06 | andrboot | @ Caelum i don't have an apt.conf and when i "create" one and try apt-get -f remove enlightenment it just complaings about wanting to install e17 |
| 03:06.09 | Caelum | ninjaslim: do an aptitude full-upgrade |
| 03:06.39 | Caelum | andrboot: that should let you install e17 |
| 03:06.45 | andrboot | hoakjy |
| 03:06.51 | ninjaslim | Caelum: i see and do i need any security entries? |
| 03:06.57 | Caelum | ninjaslim: nope |
| 03:07.07 | muddd | um, i just read a little bit about virtual machines... why would it be better than just dualbooting like i do now? |
| 03:07.10 | Caelum | ninjaslim: apt-listbugs is a good thing to have |
| 03:07.11 | andrboot | sweeet :D |
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| 03:07.28 | ninjaslim | Caelum: ok thanks, do sid packages break often |
| 03:07.41 | andrboot | while im here.. is there anyreason why my gdm doesn't work? i did some major updates.. gdm included and when i restarted it never came up |
| 03:07.49 | ninjaslim | Caelum: i was running Gentoo unstable before this, but i got fed up with it, i'm sorry if i'm asking n00bish questions |
| 03:07.50 | Caelum | ninjaslim: yes, but there should be fairly little that effects you directly |
| 03:08.03 | ninjaslim | Caelum: ok thanks |
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| 03:08.52 | Caelum | andrboot: check your /var/log/Xorg*log |
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| 03:09.33 | andrboot | Caelum looks good to me.. gnome runs.. i just did startx and np |
| 03:09.58 | Caelum | andrboot: maybe stuff in /var/log/gdm |
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| 03:10.39 | andrboot | Caelum np there either |
| 03:10.58 | Caelum | andrboot: what if you do /etc/init.d/gdm start manually |
| 03:11.21 | andrboot | you mean /etc/init.d/gdm start ? |
| 03:11.24 | andrboot | nothing :;/ |
| 03:12.19 | Caelum | ok, read the script and see why it doesn't start then :) |
| 03:12.38 | andrboot | aww crap |
| 03:12.38 | andrboot | lol |
| 03:12.51 | andrboot | bbs ill see if entrance works |
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| 03:27.02 | andrboot | Caelum well.. entrance works.. though enlightment craps out if i click :/; heh |
| 03:27.26 | andrboot | @ Caelum do u know how to chnage the "login managers"? it presented me with an option when i was installing entrance.. any ideas? |
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| 03:27.43 | muddd | anyone in here use vbox? |
| 03:28.00 | Lagbolt | i do |
| 03:28.05 | andrboot | @ muddd vritualbox? |
| 03:28.30 | markybob | !anyone |
| 03:28.30 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:28.35 | muddd | I'm guessing so. Hey Lagbolt is it like using a virtual machine? |
| 03:28.39 | muddd | sorry |
| 03:29.23 | muddd | why would i want to use a virtual machine rather than my dual-boot setup i have now? whats the benefit? |
| 03:29.35 | Ryan52 | muddd: both running at the same time |
| 03:29.44 | Lagbolt | yeah what he said |
| 03:29.54 | Ryan52 | muddd: one gets 'virtual hardware' (running under vbox), the other gets the real |
| 03:29.56 | Lagbolt | it is nice if you want to use something stupid like a Zune that doesnt work in linux lol |
| 03:30.09 | Ryan52 | muddd: though you can let the vbox one access your hw |
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| 03:30.22 | muddd | the host per se? |
| 03:31.10 | muddd | k i will google the rest, just needed clarification |
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| 03:31.30 | darkwizzard | hello all |
| 03:31.39 | darkwizzard | has anyone used win4lin? |
| 03:31.53 | muddd | :p |
| 03:32.05 | muddd | !anyone |
| 03:32.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 03:32.17 | muddd | sweeeeeeeeet |
| 03:32.24 | Ryan52 | :D |
| 03:32.31 | muddd | i'm learnin heh |
| 03:32.49 | Demosthenes | so whats the recommended laptop suspend method for lenny? I used to use hibernate, but it looks like debian's customized acpi stuff is pretty complete |
| 03:32.57 | darkwizzard | does win4lin allow windows apps to work like printers |
| 03:33.14 | Ryan52 | Demosthenes: I like /etc/acpi/sleep.sh (when it works :D) |
| 03:34.52 | ninjaslim | after upgrading to sid, should the login screen say lenny/sid or just sid |
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| 03:35.09 | Ryan52 | ninjaslim: lenny/sid is what it is for lenny and/or sid |
| 03:35.15 | Ryan52 | ninjaslim: so thats fine |
| 03:35.39 | ninjaslim | Ryan52: ok thanks |
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| 03:42.27 | fas3r | it's possible to specify tftp server in dhcpd ? |
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| 04:02.26 | Demosthenes | Ryan52: i was using the hibernate script under gentoo, any idea what the difference between that and the default acpi support is? |
| 04:03.16 | Ryan52 | How do I make `apt-get dist-upgrade` not upgrade a certain package. I figured out aptitude. Other sysadmins are breaking my development server! |
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| 04:03.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ryan52, pin them |
| 04:04.01 | Ryan52 | oh.. |
| 04:05.00 | Demosthenes | Ryan52: i was told yesterday to put a hold on it |
| 04:05.04 | cafuego | Ryan52: Remove the other admins from the sudoers file an change the root password. |
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| 04:05.29 | Ryan52 | cafuego: it don't work like that here... |
| 04:05.31 | Demosthenes | Ryan52: using aptitude or dpkg |
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| 04:05.38 | cafuego | Then email them and explain why thy can't admin the machine. |
| 04:05.52 | Ryan52 | Demosthenes: I know, they like apt-get |
| 04:06.32 | Ryan52 | cafuego: I don't care if the install updates. I just want these 2 packages to be left alone. |
| 04:06.51 | cafuego | dpkg --set-selections "packagename hold" |
| 04:06.52 | dpkg | cafuego: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:06.59 | cafuego | yeayea |
| 04:07.00 | Ryan52 | ah. |
| 04:07.02 | Ryan52 | thanks |
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| 04:07.11 | cafuego | echo "packagename hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 04:07.38 | Demosthenes | cafuego: dpkg --get-selections | grep mypackage | sed 's/installed/hold/g' | dpkg --set-selections |
| 04:07.44 | cafuego | Just make sure they don't go and manually override that "because newer is better". |
| 04:08.36 | Ryan52 | cafuego: we have a script that runs commands on all of the servers. They like to "apt-get dist-upgrade"...thats the only time they touch it. (and letting me back in after it blacklists me...) |
| 04:09.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | ayayhahahahah |
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| 04:09.11 | cafuego | Ryan52: cron-apt ftw |
| 04:09.28 | cafuego | and soon, puppet |
| 04:09.56 | Demosthenes | puppet! |
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| 04:10.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dislikes auto upgrading systems |
| 04:10.50 | cafuego | Kamping_Kaiser: cron-apt emails when there are updates |
| 04:11.02 | cafuego | Kamping_Kaiser: So I don't need to go and manually check 20+ VMs |
| 04:11.19 | Ryan52 | cafuego: nagios does that too. and makes us a nice web GUI. |
| 04:11.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | cafuego, nod. we use somthing similar at rocksoft (may be cron-apt, i cant never remember) |
| 04:11.33 | cafuego | true |
| 04:11.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Ryan52, then you have to open a browser |
| 04:11.53 | cafuego | but then i need to twiddle it to not spam my icq as well ;-) |
| 04:12.16 | cafuego | Kamping_Kaiser: nagios msgs me anyway if somthing is up (down actually, boom tish) |
| 04:12.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | tada! |
| 04:12.39 | cafuego | try the veal, i'll nev here all week |
| 04:16.30 | fas3r | how to run tftpd ? |
| 04:16.38 | fas3r | i don't find it .. |
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| 04:17.44 | cafuego | it binds to a port via inetd |
| 04:18.22 | fas3r | it4s nor;ql i don4t see it in ps aux ? |
| 04:18.28 | fas3r | it's normal* |
| 04:19.06 | fas3r | if i want to modify the destion folder it's in the inetd.conf ? |
| 04:20.19 | fas3r | cafuego: ... :s ? |
| 04:21.55 | cafuego | fas3r: yes |
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| 04:24.32 | fas3r | oki thank it's work cafuego |
| 04:24.40 | n3kl | I have a system the boots the network to mount an nfs /. I would like to mount another nfs mount on the network-booted system. I built the system using debootstrap and now when I try to restart nfs-common, I get /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep no such file. How can I resolve this? |
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| 04:32.05 | n3kl | Hmm |
| 04:32.32 | n3kl | I would rename it. Any particular reason you don't want to rename the file? If its not readable, how much good is it doing you? |
| 04:32.44 | JyZyXEL | its a log |
| 04:32.49 | JyZyXEL | you can't just go rename logs |
| 04:32.59 | cafuego | of course you can |
| 04:33.06 | JyZyXEL | i don't wanna rename it |
| 04:33.17 | n3kl | I would think renaming logs would be better than viing them |
| 04:33.22 | cafuego | as long as the parent process has it open you can rename it all you like |
| 04:33.26 | JyZyXEL | i wanna fucking read it in vim |
| 04:33.35 | cafuego | JyZyXEL: So read it in vim |
| 04:33.38 | markybob | i think someone has had their feelings hurt |
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| 04:33.55 | JyZyXEL | how do i type the damn name when it has some weird characters that my console cannot display |
| 04:34.02 | cafuego | JyZyXEL: tab completion |
| 04:34.19 | JyZyXEL | same thing |
| 04:34.31 | JyZyXEL | second character is empty |
| 04:34.32 | cafuego | or, 'vim *' and keep going :n until you get said filee |
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| 04:34.54 | JyZyXEL | bash doesn't work like that |
| 04:35.16 | cafuego | works fine here. |
| 04:35.21 | cafuego | Maybe your bash it not bash? |
| 04:35.27 | cafuego | vim -- * |
| 04:35.28 | JyZyXEL | you cannot vim f*bar |
| 04:35.38 | JyZyXEL | it doesnt vim the file foobar |
| 04:35.41 | cafuego | I never saud f*bar |
| 04:35.46 | cafuego | I said * |
| 04:35.51 | cafuego | which works fine |
| 04:36.11 | JyZyXEL | 5080 files to edit |
| 04:36.16 | JyZyXEL | yea fuck that shit |
| 04:36.23 | click170 | um, I have a problem with myphpadmin. It's apparently installed with a default username and password and I've got no f*ckin idea what it is to change anything. |
| 04:36.35 | cafuego | click170: root, no password. |
| 04:36.45 | cafuego | click170: Set a mysql root password via `mysqladmin' |
| 04:37.05 | n3kl | tail, less, and grep are also great ways to read files |
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| 04:37.26 | click170 | cafuego: I haven't been able to get to the stupid setup page yet to set ^anything^. It comes with the password, and if I hadn't come here I'd never have found out what it was. |
| 04:37.58 | cafuego | click170: phpmyadmin does not come with any passwords, it uses the mysql priv tables for login credentials. |
| 04:38.10 | click170 | And apparently its not root with a blank pass |
| 04:38.23 | cafuego | click170: Then I hazard your mysql server has a root pass set. |
| 04:38.28 | joeyjones | click170: use your root pass |
| 04:38.43 | joeyjones | the OS' root pass |
| 04:38.56 | cafuego | joeyjones: Why would phpMyadmin use that? |
| 04:39.29 | markybob | it doesnt. mysql has its own root password, like has already been stated |
| 04:39.39 | click170 | I haven't given it a Mysql database to use yet |
| 04:39.58 | n3kl | click170: sounds like you have some documentation to read |
| 04:40.13 | click170 | for what? `man phpmyadmin` gives me shit all |
| 04:40.19 | markybob | doesnt matter. you can have no databases and still have a mysql root password |
| 04:40.20 | joeyjones | click170: don;t you mean phpmyadmin? |
| 04:40.24 | markybob | dude, it's not phpmyadmin, it's mysql |
| 04:40.31 | cafuego | click170: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin |
| 04:41.04 | joeyjones | click170: is it sing your mysql server someone elses? |
| 04:41.08 | cafuego | click170: Alternatively, the /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php file *also* contains comments. |
| 04:41.28 | click170 | I've been through each of the config files I've found, to no end. |
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| 04:41.59 | cafuego | I must have been imagining every single phpmyadmin setup i've ever done then. I'm dumb, sorry. |
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| 04:42.36 | click170 | cafuego: well Ive tried setting a username and password in the config.inc.php file and I still can't use that one to log in either. |
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| 04:43.07 | markybob | click170, do you not listen? it's not phpmysql's login. it's mysql's |
| 04:43.15 | markybob | phpmyadmin whatever the hell it's called |
| 04:43.30 | cafuego | You don't set a username/password in the config file. You create users in mysql, then phpmyadmin magically uses them. |
| 04:43.55 | n3kl | wow, just wow |
| 04:43.56 | click170 | cafuego: even when I haven't told it that the mysql server it needs to be querying is on a remote machine? |
| 04:44.17 | cafuego | click170: Even then. |
| 04:44.42 | cafuego | click170: Of course, you need to tell phpMyAdmin the hostname and port of the remote sql server |
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| 04:45.10 | cafuego | click170: ... and on that remote SQL server the *MYSQL* user must be allowed to connect from the phpMyAdmin host. |
| 04:45.20 | cafuego | But once you realise that it all works just fine. |
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| 04:46.14 | jberg | how come when i write shutdown now in debian, it starts to shutdown, then asks me for root password for maintainance or Control-D to continue, and i press ^D it gives me another login prompt? |
| 04:47.31 | wols | jberg: you must be root to shutdown |
| 04:47.36 | liable | jberg: man shutdown and read the first paragraph |
| 04:47.43 | liable | all of it |
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| 04:48.26 | jberg | i am root |
| 04:48.28 | jberg | ok |
| 04:49.54 | n3kl | try init 6 instead |
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| 04:50.11 | liable | no, just use shutdown properly |
| 04:50.12 | jberg | oh okay |
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| 05:15.57 | Quintin | Does anyone here do dual monitors with nvidia-settings? What does 'twinview' mean? |
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| 05:18.53 | markybob | !nvidia twinview |
| 05:18.54 | dpkg | [nvidia twinview] sharing 2 screens (scr, tv what so ever) on you nvidia card you need to have the nvidia driver installed (ask nvidia) and read /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/ README and example script |
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| 05:33.04 | slimjimflim | anybody know what packages correspond to these libraries? * xlib (pkg-config xlib) - Standard Xlib library |
| 05:33.04 | slimjimflim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:35.21 | markybob | libx11-dev and libxcb-xtest0-dev and learn to use apt-cache search foo |
| 05:38.34 | firebird619 | I am thinking of installing Debian again, but the boot loader needs to be on /dev/sdb1. Is there a way to specify that during install? I usually use the GUI installer. The distro I use now asks where to install the boot loader during install but I didn't see that option in Debian. |
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| 05:39.44 | n0ah_ | firebird619: i'm not sure with debian, but a handy trick to learn is to use a boot loader on a cd, such as GRUB |
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| 05:40.42 | n0ah_ | if you know grub commands you can boot grub off a cd and boot any os on your system, it will boot a grub menu and you enter grub commands to specify the kernel location, the root disk, and (if any) an initrd img |
| 05:41.12 | n0ah_ | a little complicated |
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| 05:41.46 | n0ah_ | but once you boot grub from a cd you can run a grub command and install it on any hd too |
| 05:42.24 | TheImp | firebird619: cli installer asks for the place to put grub (afaik) |
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| 05:43.14 | firebird619 | n0ah_: Ok. Thanks. The reason I need it on sdb1 is that I have two drives and my BIOS settings do not have the option to specify which drive to start first, so I have to rely on telling the distro where to install the boot loader so it starts from the right drive. |
| 05:43.25 | TheImp | http://www.linuxconfig.org/images/7/7b/Debian_etch_screenshot18.JPG - this question |
| 05:43.37 | n0ah_ | oh jeez there are cheap bios suppliers now? |
| 05:44.25 | n0ah_ | firebird619: mind telling me what kind of bios you have |
| 05:44.30 | n0ah_ | award? phoenix? |
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| 05:44.56 | firebird619 | TheImp: Ok. Thanks. With that screenshot, what happens if you select no, will it ask where to install it or will it just not install GRUB at all? |
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| 05:45.32 | TheImp | firebird619: afaik you get a dialogue where to put it elsewhere |
| 05:45.42 | firebird619 | n0ah_: I can't remember, I would have to look it up. Do you know off hand what BIOS a Dell 8300 would have? |
| 05:45.45 | TheImp | didnt install debian for a while, it just runs ... |
| 05:46.13 | n0ah | firebird619: i can't believe a dell would put a cheap bios like that in their system |
| 05:46.27 | n0ah | i've never seen a bios that didn't let you specify a boot device |
| 05:46.33 | n0ah | maybe, crazier things have happened |
| 05:46.38 | n0ah | i'm more of a sun guy, i use a prom :) |
| 05:46.38 | firebird619 | TheImp: Ok, Thanks for your help. |
| 05:46.40 | n0ah | hehe |
| 05:47.03 | TheImp | n0ah: sometimes you have to use strange keys which are not documentated |
| 05:47.35 | TheImp | ... and btw - always this old technologys. bios ... puh ;) |
| 05:47.46 | firebird619 | n0ah: It lets me specify, for example, which to boot first as far as from Hard Drive, CD ROM drive, Floppy, etc. It just doesn't let me specify which hard drive to start from first when there are two drives installed. |
| 05:47.51 | n0ah | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.53 | n0ah | OpenBSD n0ah.org 4.3 GENERIC#1598 sparc64 |
| 05:47.56 | n0ah | hah! |
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| 05:48.22 | TheImp | firebird619: most times there is a special key to choose this |
| 05:48.23 | slimjimflim | markybob, ok thank |
| 05:48.24 | slimjimflim | ss |
| 05:48.31 | slimjimflim | *thanks |
| 05:48.36 | TheImp | and most times you can boot from HDD-0 to HDD-3 |
| 05:48.46 | firebird619 | TheImp: Happen to know what it is for a Dell 8300? |
| 05:48.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, \o/ |
| 05:48.59 | TheImp | firebird619: no never used dell |
| 05:49.00 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: hehe :) |
| 05:49.17 | TheImp | i think now i get hit |
| 05:49.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, i'm a bit of a sparc fan (even if i dont get much time to work with them) |
| 05:49.34 | firebird619 | TheImp: Ok, Thanks. Maybe I'll have to search google a bit and see what I can find. |
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| 05:50.49 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, well i ordered a new SCSI disk today and a couple sun disk assembly mounting brackets, i need more swap space to ensure people don't fork bomb the machine, once that comes in I can give you a shell on it if you'd like |
| 05:51.25 | n0ah | right now i'm giving users 16 processes and 64 megabytes of ram per process |
| 05:51.34 | n0ah | with the user/memory ratio i'm worried about it |
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| 05:51.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, thanks for the offer. |
| 05:52.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, i have a sparcs here, but their low memory sparc32's mainly :/ (which are in pieces) |
| 05:52.29 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, well this machine isn't much but it's all factory |
| 05:52.47 | n0ah | this hitachi HD that was pulled from a new IBM eserver will be the first non sun hardware in it |
| 05:53.07 | n0ah | i also ordered a new network card for it a few days ago, that's sun though |
| 05:53.29 | n0ah | there is also no quality of service on it right onw |
| 05:53.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, nice. is it a coolthreads, or something pre that? |
| 05:53.40 | n0ah | because it's lacking a network card |
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| 05:53.54 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: it's old man |
| 05:54.05 | anomic | xlock seems to be gone. what options does a man have when it comes to locking his computer, to prevent his roommates from fucking with it when he goes to take a piss? |
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| 05:54.33 | anomic | plz rsvp asap: need to piss |
| 05:54.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, nod. |
| 05:54.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | anomic, thought about doing that while you wait ...? |
| 05:54.57 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: it's about $700 if you buy it used on anysystem.com |
| 05:55.09 | anomic | Kamping_Kaiser: can't piss, roommates will get my computard :( |
| 05:55.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | anomic, install xlock? :| |
| 05:55.24 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: coolthreads? what's that? |
| 05:55.31 | anomic | Kamping_Kaiser: i didn't find it in the repository |
| 05:55.37 | \amethyst | anomic: gnome-screensaver-command --lock or xscreensaver-command --lock |
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| 05:55.57 | n0ah | how about you just unplug the keyboard :P how long does it take you to piss |
| 05:55.58 | n0ah | christ |
| 05:56.00 | \amethyst | anomic: xlockmore or xlockmore-gl is what you're looking for |
| 05:56.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, lol |
| 05:57.37 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: http://n0ah.org/vhosts6 |
| 05:57.40 | n0ah | that's the vhosts it has |
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| 05:58.12 | n0ah | and n0ah.org itself which is not listed there which is what i'm using :P |
| 05:58.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 05:59.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, some pretty ammusing names there |
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| 06:00.21 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: hehe |
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| 06:01.31 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: debian actually has very nice sparc support |
| 06:01.51 | n0ah | the only other linux i've found with full sparc support is gentoo |
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| 06:02.09 | PiousMinion | I have filesystems that require usernames and passwords that I would like to have mounted on boot. Is it safe to add them to /etc/fstab and set /etc/fstab to chmod 600 ? |
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| 06:03.01 | CaT[t3] | what's the networked filesystem you're using? |
| 06:03.19 | PiousMinion | CaT[t3]: both smbfs and gmailfs |
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| 06:03.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, it does. they'll be dropping sparc32 for lenny though (but the sparc64 support should get even better as a result i guess) |
| 06:04.05 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: I don't know about gmailfs, but for smbfs, do man mount.smbfs and look for 'credentials' |
| 06:04.06 | CaT[t3] | PiousMinion: re smbfs, you should really be using cifs. smbfs is deprecated. |
| 06:04.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | PiousMinion, for some value of safe |
| 06:04.19 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: you can put the credentials in a file, then make that file owner root mode 600 |
| 06:04.39 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: that way fstab is still readable |
| 06:04.39 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: ah, i'll have to recompile debian for linux then, i'm the unofficial quake 3 dedicated server .deb for linux/sparc |
| 06:04.47 | n0ah | i havn't submitted it to debian yet though |
| 06:05.06 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: and, even if users get to see the mount options somehow, they won't see the username and password |
| 06:05.18 | n0ah | if anyone wants it there is a link on the front page of n0ah.org for the sparc packages i've made |
| 06:05.25 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: (same goes for cifs) |
| 06:05.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, cool. |
| 06:05.58 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: ok, that will work great for cifs/samba. thanks |
| 06:06.14 | n0ah | yestorday i patched the quake 3 dedicated server makefile and headers to support the first sparc64 target, and the first of any sparc architecture for a bsd (openbsd) |
| 06:06.21 | n0ah | so now quake 3 dedicated server runs on openbsd/sparc64 |
| 06:06.36 | PiousMinion | would it be better/safer to mount the fs via a cronjob? |
| 06:06.58 | CaT[t3] | why would you mount it via a cronjob? |
| 06:07.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, sounds like your pretty familar with the arch |
| 06:07.24 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm well not too familiar, i don't know sparc asm |
| 06:07.28 | n0ah | i code in c,sh,perl and x86 asm |
| 06:07.38 | PiousMinion | CaT[t3]: to keep login credentials for gmailfs out of fstab. I don't see any other options. |
| 06:07.45 | n0ah | it's big endian though opposed to little endian, and i'm smart enough to figure that out |
| 06:07.57 | n0ah | i didn't have to rewrite any asm int he ioquake3 distribution |
| 06:08.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, 'not to familar'. your a cruel man :P |
| 06:08.37 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: I don't know gmailfs, but is it possible to put username and password in /etc/gmailfs/gmailfs.conf ? |
| 06:09.04 | PiousMinion | \amethyst: yeah, that gets used when mounting via commandline, not fstab afaik. |
| 06:09.06 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: that (and chmod of the conf) would be a kludge and might prevent other users from using gmailfs, but it might work |
| 06:09.09 | \amethyst | ah |
| 06:09.14 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: hehe :) (: |
| 06:09.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 06:10.16 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: I'd say it's worth a wishlist bugreport if there isn't one on the subject already |
| 06:10.24 | wols | PiousMinion: fstab has options fields. tried to use them? |
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| 06:12.05 | \amethyst | PiousMinion: I would say mounting from an init script or a cronjob would be preferable, but there's still the question of whether a user running 'mount' without arguments can see the password |
| 06:12.06 | PiousMinion | wols: aye, but not in any combination that works. :P |
| 06:12.26 | \amethyst | preferable to chmodding fstab, that is |
| 06:12.32 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: do you follow security at all? |
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| 06:12.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, well, yes. i'm a sysadmin. just the value of "ata ll" is the question ;) |
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| 06:13.58 | n0ah | Kamping_Kaiser: well do you tinker with c holes at all |
| 06:14.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | n0ah, no, i dont code :/ |
| 06:14.27 | n0ah | ah ok :( |
| 06:14.43 | n0ah | I was going to tell you some of the articles i've written, you might have known me by another alias |
| 06:14.49 | n0ah | phrack stuff |
| 06:15.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | nope :/ |
| 06:15.53 | n0ah | i compiled exploits i've written in the years and articles onto my site today :) |
| 06:16.22 | n0ah | they've all just been floating random places on the internet and i havn't had them hosted on my personal site |
| 06:17.03 | xlotlu | meh, custom DSDT finally made it into trunk and debian didn't enable it :/ |
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| 06:26.05 | PiousMinion | I keep trying to mount my gmailfs via cron and all I keep getting is "mount: only root can do that". I have "users" in the options for fstab, but no luck. Ideas? |
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| 06:33.54 | wols | PiousMinion: is it actually mounting the fstab entry? what is the mount line? |
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| 06:34.20 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 06:34.33 | rmrfchik | how can I remove "Nimbus Roman No9 L" from fontconfig? |
| 06:34.33 | PiousMinion | mount -t gmailfs none /path |
| 06:34.39 | PiousMinion | wols: ^ |
| 06:35.18 | PiousMinion | fstab contains: none /path gmails users 0 0 |
| 06:35.26 | rmrfchik | I want "fc-match Times" should be equal "fc-match Times\ New\ Roman" (Times_New_Roman.ttf: "Times New Roman" "Normal") |
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| 06:36.47 | wols | PiousMinion: mount /path is all you want |
| 06:36.57 | wols | the rest is redundant and might trip mount up |
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| 06:37.53 | PiousMinion | wols: yeah, got multiple errors that time. :P thanks |
| 06:37.54 | leo_rockw | hello everyone |
| 06:37.59 | wols | also "users" is wrong |
| 06:38.33 | wols | PiousMinion: you want user,defaults |
| 06:39.30 | leo_rockw | i plugged in my maxtor onetouch usb external drive and it is not being recognized (lsusb and dmesg don't show anything). i tried pendrives and they work, and the hd works on the same comp with kubuntu, what am i missing? |
| 06:39.56 | leo_rockw | (i'm using debian testing, btw) |
| 06:40.06 | wols | leo_rockw: what does dmesg say? |
| 06:40.14 | PiousMinion | wols: yeah, everything works except for it reading ~/.gmailfs.conf for the credentials. :/ |
| 06:40.18 | wols | oops. didn't read it |
| 06:40.22 | wols | maybe try another kernel |
| 06:40.23 | leo_rockw | wols: nothing, it's as if i didn't plug the hard drive. |
| 06:40.30 | wols | PiousMinion: use fstab options |
| 06:40.52 | wols | leo_rockw: what if you have it plugged in already while booting? |
| 06:41.04 | wols | leo_rockw: what kernel vresion? |
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| 06:41.36 | leo_rockw | wols: i didn't try plugging in when booting. kernel is 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 06:41.48 | PiousMinion | wols: I would if fstab wasn't world readable. |
| 06:42.37 | leo_rockw | wols: should i check if having it plugged in when booting shows anything? |
| 06:42.51 | PiousMinion | storing login credentials in a world readable file is a big no no |
| 06:43.16 | wols | leo_rockw: it's one thing you could do. another is using another kernel version |
| 06:43.38 | wols | PiousMinion: check how fmbfs/cifs does it. it has the same problem |
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| 06:45.01 | PiousMinion | wols: smbfs has the option to specify a credentials file. gmailfs has that to, but it's clearly not reading it and there is no way that I am aware of to specify which file it should use. |
| 06:45.40 | leo_rockw | wols: thank you, i'm going to try that. |
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| 06:46.30 | wols | PiousMinion: have you tried to make the gmail.confs world readable for testing? |
| 06:47.12 | PiousMinion | wols: yep |
| 06:47.18 | PiousMinion | no difference |
| 06:47.27 | wols | best ask gmailfs folks then I guess |
| 06:47.53 | PiousMinion | wols: I appreciate the effort. |
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| 06:49.08 | wols | maybe check howtos. your problem seems to be fairly basic. can't think they haven't thought of it yet |
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| 06:50.25 | PiousMinion | Well, there is mention of the main /etc/gmailfs/gmailfs.conf, but using that won't work if you have multiple gmailfs(s). |
| 06:50.43 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:54.46 | wols | mount points are systemwide, not user specific |
| 06:55.00 | wols | so if you want to give every user its own gmailfs, you will get problems |
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| 07:03.21 | nirupama | what is the difference between > and >> in shell |
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| 07:03.33 | nirupama | > is for redirecting the output to a file |
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| 07:04.40 | wols | > replaces the output file, >> appends te ouput to an existing file |
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| 07:09.01 | nirupama | wols, oh ok tankh you |
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| 07:10.38 | liassist | Hello, how is debian for a laptop (my system is 256mb ram 1.4ghz processer and 64mb vram) |
| 07:10.50 | Guerin | liassist: fine |
| 07:11.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | liassist, Etch is running brilliantly |
| 07:11.21 | Guerin | liassist: the only thing is that you might want more ram if you do a lot of intensive stuff |
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| 07:11.41 | liassist | and if iam booting form a pendrive |
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| 07:13.17 | wols | Guerin: gnome can be a bit sluggish :) |
| 07:13.31 | Guerin | wols: ... on a system with three times as much ram |
| 07:13.36 | Guerin | but yeah |
| 07:13.50 | Guerin | it'll be fine as long as you're realistic about what you plan to do |
| 07:14.00 | liassist | ohh yes i almost forgot what if i take debian with gnome or KDE |
| 07:14.03 | wols | my windowmaker is fine on 128MB tho |
| 07:14.26 | wols | liassist: very well usable as I said, but you will need swap somewhere, so pendrive only is not good |
| 07:14.35 | wols | *as others said |
| 07:15.10 | liassist | so with 256mb ram and 2gb swap? (will it walk or run or fly) |
| 07:15.41 | wols | 256-512MB swap. if you need more it's unusable |
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| 07:16.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | I'm running on 256mb of ram on my laptop. fwiw |
| 07:16.16 | wols | it can either, depending on what you intend to run. also gnome and kde never "fly" |
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| 07:16.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | (with gnome, which i guess is the point) |
| 07:16.53 | liassist | yes gnome is a lot more hungry than kde (for RAM) |
| 07:17.02 | wols | liassist: if you want to do things like develop java apps you will be disappointed, if you webbrows it will be fine |
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| 07:18.31 | liassist | i want to run and develop flash and run DHTML , HTML , APACHE (openbox3 will work if its easy to install) |
| 07:18.42 | Guerin | you poor bastard |
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| 07:19.35 | wols | !info openbox |
| 07:19.42 | liassist | guerin, iam sorry if i offended you but that is my query |
| 07:19.45 | wols | no sure about flash dev on linux |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | liassist: you didn't offend *me* |
| 07:19.58 | dpkg | openbox: (standards compliant, fast, light-weight, extensible window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.4.7.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 262 kB, Installed size: 1064 kB |
| 07:20.01 | wols | Guerin: he is not offended. he pities you. probably the whole channel does |
| 07:20.20 | wols | *guerin is not... |
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| 07:20.31 | leo_rockw | wols: after trying everything i could think of i made the usb hd work. there was a problem with the usb cable... i feel like such a noob now. |
| 07:20.39 | liassist | ill be right back i have to go buy some rice :) |
| 07:20.50 | zaggynl | leo_rockw: step one: check cable ;-) |
| 07:20.54 | zaggynl | happens to me all the time |
| 07:21.18 | leo_rockw | zaggynl: you should've half an hour ago, haha. |
| 07:21.30 | Guerin | mmm, rice |
| 07:21.34 | markybob | and beans! |
| 07:21.37 | leo_rockw | :s/should've/should've told me |
| 07:21.53 | wols | throws rice onto Guerin |
| 07:22.14 | leo_rockw | anyway... time to do sweet backups. goodbye and thanks |
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| 07:31.39 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.pastebin.org/39403 |
| 07:31.42 | Sazpaimon_ | whats going on here |
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| 07:33.51 | kenjy | hi guys, I can't use mkfs.ext3 because I get this error /dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; |
| 07:34.24 | Sazpaimon_ | fine i guess i'll just reboot the system then |
| 07:34.24 | kenjy | but I removed the partition with fdisk and I created new one, I just need to format it with ext3 |
| 07:34.29 | kenjy | can you help me? |
| 07:35.09 | kenjy | Sazpaimon_: I can't because its a production server, the server its far from here, I can't reboot it :S |
| 07:35.25 | Sazpaimon_ | kenjy, im talking about my problem |
| 07:35.29 | Sazpaimon_ | http://www.pastebin.org/39403 |
| 07:35.34 | kenjy | Sazpaimon_: sorry guy |
| 07:35.37 | kenjy | can some one help me? |
| 07:36.30 | PiousMinion | kenjy: so all you need is to format it? |
| 07:36.38 | kenjy | PiousMinion: yes |
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| 07:37.21 | PiousMinion | kenjy: cat /etc/mtab | grep sdb1 |
| 07:37.33 | PiousMinion | Does that output anything? |
| 07:37.47 | kenjy | PiousMinion:no root@gribus:/# cat /etc/mtab |grep sdb1 |
| 07:37.47 | kenjy | root@gribus:/# |
| 07:38.06 | PiousMinion | mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 |
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| 07:38.33 | kenjy | PiousMinion: not working :S mke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 07:38.34 | kenjy | /dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; |
| 07:38.54 | PiousMinion | kenjy: very strange. tried rebooting? |
| 07:39.05 | kenjy | PiousMinion: its a production server :S |
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| 07:39.23 | liassist | hi guys, (again |
| 07:39.39 | kenjy | PiousMinion: but this is a empty disk |
| 07:39.48 | Sazpaimon_ | ok this sis starting to annoy me |
| 07:40.00 | Sazpaimon_ | u15254048:/# mount /dev/sda1 / |
| 07:40.01 | Sazpaimon_ | mount: according to mtab, /dev/md1 is already mounted on / |
| 07:40.08 | Sazpaimon_ | u15254048:/# umount / |
| 07:40.09 | wols | kenjy: lsof |grep sdb1 |
| 07:40.11 | Sazpaimon_ | umount: /dev/md1: not mounted |
| 07:40.16 | liassist | hey what if i boot form a usbhdd (17.48mbps) its 40gb in size |
| 07:40.26 | Sazpaimon_ | make up your goddamn mind debian |
| 07:40.29 | wols | Sazpaimon_: you cannot unmount / |
| 07:40.29 | kenjy | wols: root@gribus:/# lsof |grep sdb1 |
| 07:40.30 | kenjy | root@gribus:/# |
| 07:40.30 | Sazpaimon_ | is it mounted or not mounted |
| 07:40.38 | PiousMinion | kenjy: sorry, I'm out of suggestions. :/ |
| 07:40.45 | kenjy | PiousMinion: tnks |
| 07:40.45 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, thats all well and good, but i still shouldnt get that error |
| 07:40.49 | kenjy | wols any idea? |
| 07:40.54 | wols | no |
| 07:41.03 | kenjy | tnks wols |
| 07:41.07 | kenjy | can some one help me? |
| 07:41.20 | wols | oh:: fdisk tells you to reboot IIRC after you create a partition |
| 07:41.26 | wols | also: fdisk -l |
| 07:41.48 | Sazpaimon_ | /dev/md7 on /home type ext3 (rw,usrquota,grpquota) |
| 07:41.52 | Sazpaimon_ | u15254048:/# umount /home |
| 07:41.52 | Sazpaimon_ | umount: /dev/md7: not mounted |
| 07:41.59 | wols | !tell Sazpaimon_ about paste |
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| 07:42.07 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, http://www.pastebin.org/39403 |
| 07:42.22 | wols | yes, which is why you don't have to constantly spam the same again in channel |
| 07:42.41 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah sorry |
| 07:43.09 | Sazpaimon_ | so what exactly does this mean |
| 07:43.22 | Pulpie | I am watching a dvd at 23-24 fps is this normal using ogle v0.9.2 Xv XShm? |
| 07:43.27 | liassist | is guerin there? |
| 07:43.51 | Lagbolt | Pulpie, 24fps is very normal :) |
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| 07:44.44 | Sazpaimon_ | :/ |
| 07:44.55 | Pulpie | Lagbolt: ahh cause my dvd player is so old its doesn't even have a cd tray, one of those old wannabe push in dvd players |
| 07:44.55 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: 24fps is the framerate of most films |
| 07:45.06 | Lagbolt | Pulpie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate |
| 07:45.20 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: pretty sure it's actually something like 23.96 or so |
| 07:45.26 | Sazpaimon_ | whatever, i guess i'll reboot |
| 07:45.28 | Lagbolt | it is 24000/1001 :) |
| 07:45.34 | wols | Lagbolt: but not PAL or NTSC which the DVD was made for |
| 07:45.34 | Sazpaimon_ | i hate rebootihng this machine |
| 07:45.40 | Sazpaimon_ | but whatever |
| 07:45.42 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: most TV shows are 29.9something fps |
| 07:45.42 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: max I have gotten ix 24.006 |
| 07:45.56 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: I know its 29.8 |
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| 07:46.02 | Lagbolt | wols, 24 is ntsc |
| 07:46.03 | wols | Pulpie: 29,97 |
| 07:46.04 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: nod, that's the best framerate you're going to get until they start coming out with higher fps movies :) |
| 07:46.04 | Pulpie | erm 29.98 |
| 07:46.14 | Pulpie | wols: 97? |
| 07:46.19 | Lagbolt | 25 is pal |
| 07:46.27 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: Don't mind that |
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| 07:46.42 | Pulpie | Lagbolt: pal is just for japan through |
| 07:46.43 | SerajewelKS | people still use ogle? |
| 07:46.49 | Guerin | Pulpie: bullshit. |
| 07:46.51 | wols | Pulpie: almost all of europe is PAL |
| 07:46.55 | Lagbolt | Pulpie, more than just japan |
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| 07:47.06 | Guerin | fucking americans |
| 07:47.08 | wols | Pulpie: also it was developed in .de (PAL) |
| 07:47.23 | Lagbolt | movie rate 24 is converted to ntsc 30 with pull up :) |
| 07:47.27 | Lagbolt | i wish we had pal :( |
| 07:47.29 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: I only used it cause I found it when I apt-cache dvd player |
| 07:47.32 | Pulpie | Guerin: sorry... |
| 07:47.47 | wols | Pulpie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PAL-NTSC-SECAM.svg |
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| 07:47.57 | wols | japan is ntsc btw |
| 07:48.03 | Pulpie | Guerin: damn I thought ntsc is USA and EURO |
| 07:48.10 | Pulpie | but I guess I had jap and euro switched |
| 07:48.15 | Lagbolt | wols, yeah i thought so . . austrailia is pal right? |
| 07:48.21 | wols | Pulpie: they never did |
| 07:48.24 | SerajewelKS | doesn't most of the world use pal |
| 07:48.29 | Guerin | most of the civilised world is |
| 07:48.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Lagbolt, yes |
| 07:48.32 | wols | Sazpaimon_: yes |
| 07:48.38 | wols | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 07:48.41 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: right on, brotha |
| 07:48.45 | Pulpie | Well Im sorry I got one fucking fact wrong |
| 07:48.51 | Lagbolt | wow we are off topic now |
| 07:48.52 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and i'm a "fucking american" :) |
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| 07:48.59 | Guerin | Pulpie: keep being sorry! |
| 07:49.01 | wols | Pulpie: several |
| 07:49.03 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:49.18 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: i'm just surprised ogle is still in use, that's all :) |
| 07:49.19 | mitziyahu | why is the installer failing to set up my partitions? it says it can't inform the kernel of the changes |
| 07:49.23 | Pulpie | whoa ogle is showing where the green screen is |
| 07:49.34 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: whats better? |
| 07:49.36 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: i assumed most people were using totem or xine by now |
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| 07:49.58 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: better is subjective, but totem does most stuff for me and is also a GNOME app so it fits well with my desktop |
| 07:50.00 | Guerin | Pulpie: NTSC == Never The Same Colour |
| 07:50.00 | wols | mitziyahu: then reboot |
| 07:50.02 | Lagbolt | SerajewelKS, dont like mplayer? |
| 07:50.19 | Guerin | Pulpie: PAL = Picture At Last |
| 07:50.24 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: i used to use mplayer a lot |
| 07:50.29 | Guerin | choose your poison, they both suck as bad as each other |
| 07:50.36 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: Also doesn't offer interactive dvd menus |
| 07:50.40 | wols | Guerin: what about SECAM? |
| 07:50.44 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: what doesn't? |
| 07:50.44 | Lagbolt | Guerin, secam sucks too? |
| 07:50.46 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:50.49 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: totem |
| 07:50.51 | Lagbolt | wols you owe me a beer! |
| 07:50.56 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: last i checked it did |
| 07:51.03 | wols | for? |
| 07:51.09 | Lagbolt | saying what i was saying at the same time |
| 07:51.14 | ghatak | Hi guys, i have a build server which keeps copy of debian repository, I have tried to update the repository after the openssl fiasco, however how do i ensure that anyone building a new system always gets new version openssl (security) ? |
| 07:51.14 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: what release of debian are you using? |
| 07:51.17 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: Im playing it right now and this 30k legaues under the sea dvd says nope |
| 07:51.20 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: lenny |
| 07:51.23 | Guerin | wols: I sure don't know the backronym for secam |
| 07:51.27 | Lagbolt | you could have called it but tooooooo late! |
| 07:51.34 | ghatak | currently it seems that they have to do apt-get update and upgrade to get openssl |
| 07:51.35 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: huh. totem-xine or totem-gstreamer? |
| 07:51.47 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: I just put totem in the console |
| 07:51.48 | Lagbolt | wow russia and madagascar use secam |
| 07:51.50 | Lagbolt | crazy |
| 07:51.56 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: dpkg -l totem-\* |
| 07:52.01 | Lagbolt | and some tiny country in south america |
| 07:52.02 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 07:52.02 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: which one is marked "i"? |
| 07:52.05 | wols | ghatak: wait for debian 4.0r4? |
| 07:52.22 | mitziyahu | why can't i partition my disks on the installer!! :X |
| 07:52.24 | ghatak | wols: so there is no way to achieve this now ? |
| 07:52.38 | wols | mitziyahu: what hdd contrller? |
| 07:52.41 | Pulpie | SerajewelKS: xine |
| 07:52.50 | mitziyahu | wols: sata |
| 07:52.55 | wols | mitziyahu: what chip? |
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| 07:53.07 | mitziyahu | wow dunno wait |
| 07:53.24 | rati | Hey how can i know motherboard specification? |
| 07:53.40 | wols | !tell rati about what is my hardware |
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| 07:53.58 | wols | rati: lshw, dmidecode, lspci, etc |
| 07:54.14 | markybob | or you could look at it. most have labels on the the chips :P |
| 07:54.16 | mitziyahu | wols Intel 945 |
| 07:54.24 | mitziyahu | 945P |
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| 07:54.43 | wols | ICH7 should be supported by 2.6.18. oh well |
| 07:54.46 | wols | !tell mitziyahu about kmuto |
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| 07:54.58 | nirupama | for new line what is the lettet in shell scripting |
| 07:55.04 | kenjy | wols I have it : |
| 07:55.06 | kenjy | :P |
| 07:55.07 | default- | . |
| 07:55.12 | kenjy | I have the answer |
| 07:55.15 | nirupama | I want to write hi and bye in two different lines in a file |
| 07:55.20 | wols | nirupama: \n |
| 07:55.23 | rati | wols: I have different hardware for embedded product |
| 07:55.35 | nirupama | wols, is it "hi" \n bye |
| 07:55.38 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: ah, i use the gstreamer backend |
| 07:55.44 | SerajewelKS | Pulpie: maybe it supports menus, dunno |
| 07:55.54 | rati | dmidecode shows me no SMBIOS nor DMI entry point found |
| 07:56.07 | wols | rati: either you specifiy your problem more clearly or no one can help you |
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| 07:56.50 | SerajewelKS | compiz looks fucking awesome on my new 8800gt :) |
| 07:57.07 | mitziyahu | wols? |
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| 07:57.52 | rati | wols: I have one hardware in that I have installed linux, i want to know which motherboard it is, I got processor VIA Nehemiah |
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| 07:58.51 | mitziyahu | lol via gave CPU prophet names? |
| 07:58.58 | wols | it's a via. but: that one is PC compatible and therefore dmidecode should work fine. what debian vesion? |
| 07:59.12 | wols | mitziyahu: via ceo is a born again christian.... |
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| 07:59.34 | wols | rati: uname -a |
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| 08:00.15 | mitziyahu | those prophets are jewish :s |
| 08:00.25 | khaleel5000 | hello, i am intending to buy an external graphic card, i am using debian etch, i would like to know if ATI's drivers are available |
| 08:00.26 | rati | wols: 3.1 from cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:00.36 | khaleel5000 | of good quality and performance* |
| 08:00.48 | wols | he's an evangelical. knowledge never was their strenght. they have "faith" instead |
| 08:00.57 | wols | rati: uname -a |
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| 08:01.08 | wols | and lspci existen back then too |
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| 08:01.27 | mitziyahu | well all 3 major religions have the same origins which is israelites (jews) |
| 08:01.29 | mitziyahu | anyway |
| 08:01.38 | mitziyahu | are you saying my installed is screwi ?:p |
| 08:01.40 | rati | wols: let me paste it on pastebin |
| 08:01.43 | Pulpie | has anyone seen that mammoth movie? |
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| 08:02.03 | wols | mitziyahu: I told you to use another installer |
| 08:02.16 | mitziyahu | wols: yeah but i dont get why |
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| 08:02.32 | wols | khaleel5000: available: yes. good quality: well.... performance: worse than nvidia usually |
| 08:02.52 | Tapout | SerajewelKS, isn't a 8800gt overkill ? |
| 08:02.59 | wols | mitziyahu: does fdisk find a disk? can you create a partition in there? |
| 08:03.14 | mitziyahu | yes |
| 08:03.14 | wols | Tapout: for compiz yes, for games no |
| 08:03.15 | Tapout | I've got an 8800gt evga card for gaming, and it's beautiful but ... i'd think it's overkill for linux |
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| 08:03.27 | khaleel5000 | wols: thanks, that means prefer nvidia in terms of drivers :). |
| 08:03.28 | mitziyahu | wols: just not two different disks on the same RAID5 partition |
| 08:03.28 | wols | mitziyahu: then reboot and try the installer again, this time without partitioning |
| 08:03.30 | Tapout | wols, ya that's what I was thinking |
| 08:03.34 | mitziyahu | different partitions |
| 08:03.52 | mitziyahu | wols: see, it seems to have done the changes but it can't see it inside the installed |
| 08:03.55 | mitziyahu | installer |
| 08:04.08 | wols | I just told you what to do mitziyahu |
| 08:04.32 | wols | khaleel5000: newer cards will all need backported drivers, ati and nvidia |
| 08:04.40 | Tapout | SerajewelKS, if you do have an evga 8800gt, make sure you register it within 30 days on evga's site to get lifetime warranty :) |
| 08:05.06 | SerajewelKS | Tapout: thanks, i will make sure to do that |
| 08:05.12 | SerajewelKS | Tapout: and overkill for what? |
| 08:05.19 | Pulpie | the thing that sucks is its a pain in the ass on wine is to try to get your mic to work |
| 08:05.24 | mitziyahu | wols i did that and it asked me to partition disks! |
| 08:05.25 | Pulpie | its damn near impossible |
| 08:05.40 | wols | mitziyahu: you can skip that |
| 08:06.12 | mitziyahu | i can't, it asks me that when im trying to install the base system |
| 08:06.25 | wols | fdisk -l |
| 08:06.40 | rati | wols, here is paste of uname -a and lspci http://pastebin.ca/1032927 |
| 08:06.50 | mitziyahu | i can see the /dev/md1p1 and p2 and p5 |
| 08:07.02 | Pulpie | Does anyone here have a mic that works on linux? |
| 08:07.10 | wols | rati: it's been long answered. it's a via |
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| 08:07.31 | wols | rati: you also need to upgrade to etch. sarge has no support anymore |
| 08:07.31 | rati | wols ok |
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| 08:10.20 | khaleel5000 | wols:ok, i wont be buying bleeding edge, either nvidia 6/7 series (no ati if not good performance in linux) |
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| 08:11.00 | Lagbolt | Pulpie, my mic works |
| 08:11.39 | wols | khaleel5000: 7300gt might be worth it. the rest is not worth it price/performance |
| 08:12.01 | mitziyahu | DAMN IT |
| 08:12.07 | mitziyahu | what the hell is wrong with me installer :X |
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| 08:12.36 | wols | mitziyahu: answer me |
| 08:12.46 | mitziyahu | what did u ask? |
| 08:12.51 | wols | fdisk -l |
| 08:13.05 | mitziyahu | you want the output? how can i copy that its long |
| 08:13.12 | wols | !pastebin |
| 08:13.12 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 08:13.17 | mitziyahu | put its in the installer |
| 08:13.18 | mitziyahu | :S |
| 08:13.33 | mitziyahu | but |
| 08:14.25 | IceSPRITE | hi |
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| 08:16.46 | rati | how to stop realtek boot agent when system start? |
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| 08:18.46 | sep | rati, it usualy have it's own tool shift-f10 or some such keycombo. in addition you can take it out of the bios boot order. |
| 08:18.49 | wols | rati: what realtek boot agent? |
| 08:19.11 | mitziyahu | wols? |
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| 08:19.59 | mitziyahu | the only way it works is when there's only one partition on the RAID5 |
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| 08:20.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | load on my desktop is being really random :/ its sititng about about 9 atm, no idea why :/ |
| 08:20.12 | alcohol | anyone able to help with a problem in my debian-start script for mysql? |
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| 08:21.18 | keila | which chmod should i have for /var/www? i keep getting permission denied even though it's owned by www-data |
| 08:21.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | keila, who are you trying to write as? |
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| 08:22.03 | keila | not trying to write..just have a browser open a the files in it |
| 08:22.08 | mitziyahu | check if apaache uses anothing user |
| 08:22.24 | rati | wols: in some hardware it start bydefault and check if DHCP server is available,if available then it start booting from network |
| 08:22.33 | khaleel5000 | wols: ok thankyou.I also was reaching similar conclusion :) |
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| 08:27.55 | Timo^ | Morning |
| 08:28.17 | mitziyahu | okay |
| 08:28.17 | Timo^ | can i use backports deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free in mijn sources.list while running debian lenny |
| 08:28.23 | mitziyahu | the debian installer sucks |
| 08:28.33 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 08:38.33 | Sazpaimon_ | Im using curlftpfs to attempt to create a backup to an ftp server without storing the files locally even temporarilt |
| 08:38.37 | Sazpaimon_ | *temporarily |
| 08:39.04 | Sazpaimon_ | curlftpfs does a few domains fine, then it gets to a larger one, and I see it crash with "ftpfs: memory allocation failed" |
| 08:39.12 | Sazpaimon_ | what does this mean? |
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| 08:40.05 | wols | it tried to allocate memory, that didn't work (returned an error) and since it's badly written software and has a bug, it crashes |
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| 08:40.31 | Sazpaimon_ | makes sense |
| 08:40.35 | petemc | its badly written? |
| 08:40.43 | Sazpaimon_ | so is it an issue with my RAM? |
| 08:40.55 | Sazpaimon_ | I dont have enough RAM to do such an operation? |
| 08:41.07 | wols | if it crashes cause it won't handle errors from syscalls correctly, then yes it's badly written |
| 08:41.36 | Sazpaimon_ | there's an option in the FUSE options for curlftpfs |
| 08:41.37 | Sazpaimon_ | "use direct I/O" |
| 08:41.41 | wols | petemc: mem alloc failing and the program stopping orderly is fine (it's a ressource exhaustion problem) but crashing then is not |
| 08:41.44 | Sazpaimon_ | would enabling that help? |
| 08:41.49 | petemc | fairly presumptuous, i would have thought |
| 08:42.12 | wols | petemc: a crash is an error/bug unless it's hardware failure. always |
| 08:42.17 | wols | programs don't crash, preiod |
| 08:42.21 | Sazpaimon_ | i think its choking on tar.gzing up the domain |
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| 08:42.56 | Sazpaimon_ | so would the "use direct I/O" be a good idea to try? |
| 08:43.01 | click170 | What is the 'correct' way to add an extra ip to an interface when it is brought up? |
| 08:43.04 | wols | no. i/o is not ram |
| 08:43.32 | Sazpaimon_ | alright well |
| 08:43.39 | Sazpaimon_ | is this even going to be possible for me? |
| 08:45.02 | wols | !tell click170 about interfaces |
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| 08:45.23 | Sazpaimon_ | i guess i can try another pgoram |
| 08:45.25 | Sazpaimon_ | *program |
| 08:45.38 | Sazpaimon_ | fuseftp is written in perl, maybe that will give me more success |
| 08:46.06 | Sazpaimon_ | "Last Updated: December 12th, 2005 " |
| 08:46.09 | Sazpaimon_ | oh boy |
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| 08:49.18 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, i guess it isnt a crash just to let you know |
| 08:49.28 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.28 | Sazpaimon_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.39 | Dad | Does it good to install LVM over RAID 1? or is it better to use some other file system (and of so, which one)? |
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| 08:49.57 | Dad | Does it = Is it |
| 08:50.10 | simonrvn | lvm nor raid1 are filesystems |
| 08:50.13 | petemc | Dad: you would need to use a filesystem anyway |
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| 08:50.43 | simonrvn | rephrase: neither of those are filesystems |
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| 08:51.14 | erpo | Dad: IMHO, LVM is awful. However, the way to start answering your questions is to make a detailed description of what you want out of your storage system. |
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| 08:51.38 | petemc | erpo: whats awful about it? |
| 08:51.47 | simonrvn | also wonders |
| 08:52.00 | Sazpaimon_ | wols, is what im doing even going to be possible? |
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| 08:52.31 | sep | erpo, lvm is not awful it's awsome |
| 08:52.40 | erpo | petemc, simonrvn : Snapshots aren't integrated with the filesystem layer so you can get inconsistent data and shrinking PVs is hard. |
| 08:52.47 | wols | Sazpaimon_: what are you doing? |
| 08:52.57 | erpo | sep: I respectfully disagree. |
| 08:53.03 | simonrvn | sounds likes wishlist items to me. |
| 08:53.07 | Sazpaimon_ | im trying to create a backup and send it to an ftp without storing it locally, using FUSE |
| 08:53.10 | petemc | erpo: what are you comparing it to?> |
| 08:53.25 | erpo | petemc: Since you asked, the DMU from ZFS. |
| 08:53.36 | simonrvn | lvm on aix or whatever i bet. |
| 08:53.39 | simonrvn | nm |
| 08:53.41 | wols | why can't you use ncftpput or scp? |
| 08:53.49 | erpo | petemc: Actually, that's not quite true. I've disliked LVM since before I found out about ZFS. |
| 08:53.51 | Dad | erpo, I just don't want to lose data. I have RAID 1 partitioned 30 GB for root, 4 GB for swap, and 270 GB for home. So probably I should not need LVM? |
| 08:54.00 | petemc | erpo: you cant see its advantages? |
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| 08:54.07 | Sazpaimon_ | because the backup script for my control panel is closed source |
| 08:54.12 | Sazpaimon_ | so i cant modify it to use stdin |
| 08:54.18 | sep | Dad, raid1 give you redundancy so you can loose a drive and still walk, lvm gives you flexibility . so you can easily resize volumes, (even growing them while they are in use) and and mix storage as you need it and not as the hardware limits you to. |
| 08:54.22 | wols | sucks to be you |
| 08:54.29 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah well |
| 08:54.45 | Sazpaimon_ | what is curlftpfs doing to do this |
| 08:54.48 | erpo | Dad: LVM is not pointless. It lets you trade space back and forth between partitions more easily. |
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| 08:55.00 | Sazpaimon_ | is it tryint to load the entire file into ram before it moves it? |
| 08:55.01 | erpo | petemc: Yes, LVM has some advantages. I just think it's clunky. |
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| 08:55.03 | Sazpaimon_ | *trying |
| 08:55.23 | wols | erpo: any alternative? |
| 08:55.37 | Dad | erpo, what do you mean by clunky? Slow? |
| 08:55.48 | simonrvn | !dict clunky |
| 08:55.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'clunky' lacking grace in movement or posture; "a gawky lad with long ungainly legs"; "clumsy fingers"; "what an ungainly creature a giraffe is"; "heaved his unwieldy figure out of his chair" |
| 08:56.20 | Timo^ | Morning |
| 08:56.22 | Timo^ | can i use backports deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free in mijn sources.list while running debian lenny |
| 08:56.40 | simonrvn | why? those are for etch |
| 08:56.46 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 08:56.48 | erpo | wols: It depends on your situation. I wouldn't recommend zfs on fuse for production use, but it's getting there. My personal solution is to use one partition for root and home so I don't have to trade space back and forth. Backups protect me from losing data during a reinstall. |
| 08:57.07 | simonrvn | it *clearly* says etch there.... |
| 08:57.46 | sep | erpo, if you can live with one partition for root your probably not in lvm's target audience at all |
| 08:57.49 | Dad | So, do you guys recommend LVM? Do you have it installed on your machine? |
| 08:57.54 | wols | erpo: it will NEVER "get there" ever |
| 08:58.16 | wols | not as long as it uses FUSE |
| 08:58.19 | erpo | Dad: Let's say you want to shrink /home to add more space to /. First you shrink the filesystem that stores /home. Then you shrink the logical volume that stores the filesystem (not too much or you'll lose data!). Then you have to grow the logical volume for /. Then you have to grow the filesystem for /. |
| 08:58.26 | erpo | sep: Probably not. :) |
| 08:58.29 | sep | Dad, i have it installed on 30ish machines. |
| 08:58.30 | simonrvn | Dad: i currently have one f 2 drives using lvm |
| 08:58.35 | simonrvn | of* |
| 08:58.38 | erpo | wols: What's wrong with FUSE? |
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| 08:58.52 | markybob | i refuse to address anyone expect my priest as 'dad' |
| 08:58.55 | simonrvn | erpo: that's just so wrong |
| 08:59.00 | markybob | get a new nick |
| 08:59.16 | sep | Dad, and if you are willing to take the time to read and learn it i would recomend it. if you need it it's gold. but if you dont want to learn read or add complexity then you should make a raid1 and put a big rootfs on it like erpo does |
| 08:59.18 | wols | erpo: userspace |
| 08:59.18 | erpo | wols: I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm just curious what you think. |
| 08:59.20 | simonrvn | you *are* aware what "FUSE" means, right? |
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| 09:00.21 | erpo | wols: I fail to see the problem. At first I thought there might be performance problems with a userspace filesystem, but ntfs-3g does great and zfs-fuse is improving rapidly. |
| 09:00.23 | wols | FUSE is good for things like sshfs, but not for a "real filesystem" |
| 09:00.46 | wols | especoally not one as deep in the system as zfs |
| 09:01.01 | simonrvn | i wouldn't trust it for day-to-day stuff. seriously, no matter how bug-free or good it is. |
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| 09:01.51 | erpo | wols, simonrvn: Why not? |
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| 09:02.07 | markybob | i dont even like simonrvn, but he's right. no one uses fuse in production. it's just not as tested and proven |
| 09:02.09 | wols | I just told you |
| 09:02.22 | Dad | markybob, I'm Dad because this computer is on a home lan. I didn't know that that Linux would set me up as Dad on FreeNode. But don't worry, I'm glad I'm not your dad. lol. :>) |
| 09:02.46 | erpo | Dad: Use /nick NEW_NICKNAME to change it if you want. |
| 09:03.07 | Dad | erpo, ok, thanks. |
| 09:03.27 | Dad | Thanks to all of you guys for your comments about LVM. |
| 09:03.29 | erpo | Dad: You can change your nick permanently by going to XChat->Network List provided you're using Xchat. |
| 09:03.55 | erpo | Dad: Hey, LVM solves problems and is a mature piece of software. Don't discount it without investigating it. I just happen not to like it. |
| 09:04.24 | sep | erpo, but again no need to solve a problem you dont have.... :) |
| 09:04.30 | erpo | wols: I don't see a reason why FUSE isn't suited to real filesystems. People are putting their root partition on ZFS by plugging the daemon into an initrd. |
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| 09:05.00 | sep | erpo, people are experimenting. he said production systems |
| 09:05.01 | Dad | So, if I decide to use LVM, I should set it up first, and then choose a file system? What is the best file system? |
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| 09:05.06 | markybob | people are also doing crack and sky-diving. doesnt make it smart |
| 09:05.18 | PiousMinion | lol |
| 09:05.26 | simonrvn | erpo *did* say IMO WRT LVM (sorry about the acronyms string...) |
| 09:05.35 | markybob | Dad, use ext3. that's *the* standard linux filesystem |
| 09:05.37 | zaggynl | NP RLY KTHX |
| 09:05.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:06.32 | erpo | sep, markybob: My point is that there isn't a fundamental technical reason why a FUSE filesystem has to be a second class filesystem in Linux. |
| 09:06.32 | sep | Dad, ext3 unless you know what you are doing (and then you would not ask) (and probably use ext3 anyway, unless you had spesific reasons not to) |
| 09:06.35 | wols | Dad: ext3 |
| 09:06.51 | markybob | erpo, time is enough of a reason |
| 09:07.06 | erpo | markybob: As in time to figure out how to make it work? |
| 09:07.23 | markybob | and in time to prove it's stability and security |
| 09:07.26 | simonrvn | ext3 has the best performance and best reliability, IME |
| 09:07.43 | wols | erpo: there is no fundamental technical reason not to use XP on a artificial lung in a ICU. still no one sane will ever do it |
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| 09:08.01 | erpo | markybob: Clearly you have never heard of Windows for Warships. ;) |
| 09:08.14 | Dad | If I use LVM should it be installed on all the partitions? including swap? |
| 09:08.16 | markybob | erpo, i was in the US navy for 4 years |
| 09:09.30 | erpo | Dad: LVM assembles physical volumes (partitions, as many as you want) into volume groups. Then logical volumes (kind of "virtual partitions" can be carved out of the total space in a volume group in a flexible, dynamic way. |
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| 09:09.54 | mitziyahu | wols: does anyone use linux forthat? :) |
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| 09:10.09 | mitziyahu | btw |
| 09:10.12 | pozic | mitziyahu: I hope not. |
| 09:10.16 | mitziyahu | lol |
| 09:10.32 | mitziyahu | i still didn't manage to partition my disks with the debian installer wth! |
| 09:10.46 | Dad | erpo, ok. Many thanks to you all for the help. Dad has been called to dinner by Mom. So I'll say by for now. |
| 09:10.48 | mitziyahu | im getting tons of errors |
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| 09:10.57 | erpo | Dad: If you're using LVM, I would recommend you set up RAID1, make an LVM physical volume on /dev/md<WHATEVER>, use that PV as the only PV in a volume group, and then carve your logical volumes out of that. |
| 09:11.04 | PsySine | what pakages do i need to dpkg-reconfigure to get my åäö-characters working in the terminal? |
| 09:11.08 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, you cant partition? |
| 09:11.19 | erpo | Dad: Bon apetit! |
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| 09:11.39 | PsySine | (the keymap is correct but åäö don't work in the terminal) |
| 09:11.49 | erpo | markybob: Sorry. The Windows for Warships comment was directed at wols. Typo. |
| 09:11.57 | Lagbolt | erpo, setup raid1 for the lvm? what for? |
| 09:11.58 | sep | Dad, it's a good idea to make a small /boot on md0 and lvm the rest, |
| 09:12.09 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt yes, ive /boot on a RAID1 partition. and /, swap, /home, /usr, /bar on a RAID5 partition and the installer says it failed to inform the kernel with the RAID5 changes (invalid argument or something) |
| 09:12.21 | erpo | Lagbolt: He wants LVM over RAID1. |
| 09:12.28 | Lagbolt | erpo, ah gotcha |
| 09:13.06 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, wow raid1 and raid5 eh. . . |
| 09:13.22 | mitziyahu | whats the problem? the raid one is for GRUB to be able to boot |
| 09:13.43 | sep | mitziyahu, that's not uncommon. why is it a problem ? |
| 09:13.53 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, raid5 is the parity right? |
| 09:14.02 | mitziyahu | sep: not being able to install debian is not a problem? |
| 09:14.02 | erpo | Well, I have to go to bed. Night all. |
| 09:14.05 | the-dude | raid1 with lvm works fine |
| 09:14.21 | the-dude | just don't put your boot in lvm if using grub |
| 09:14.25 | erpo | Lagbolt: When you're not tripping and falling into the raid5 write hole, yes, it's for parity. |
| 09:14.26 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt: what's parity :s |
| 09:15.04 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, i guess i dont see how that works. so you have a mirror for /boot on two drives? then what? 3 more drives for the raid5? |
| 09:15.05 | mitziyahu | i can't believe its taking me so longs and still i can't find the problem :( |
| 09:15.16 | Lagbolt | i need to draw a picture lol |
| 09:15.19 | mitziyahu | no |
| 09:15.23 | mitziyahu | all drives have 2 partitions |
| 09:15.29 | mitziyahu | /boot with 20 GB |
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| 09:15.37 | mitziyahu | and / With 300GB |
| 09:15.41 | Lagbolt | wtf 20GB for /boot? |
| 09:15.42 | Lagbolt | wow |
| 09:15.53 | Lagbolt | mine is 100MB :) |
| 09:16.01 | mitziyahu | i didn't do the partitioning it had a debian installed which was hacked and raped beyond recognition |
| 09:16.27 | beardy | Ubuntu you mean? |
| 09:16.34 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, so you have how many drives? |
| 09:16.35 | mitziyahu | what? |
| 09:16.39 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt 4 |
| 09:16.59 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, so you have a 4 way mirror of /boot? |
| 09:17.27 | mitziyahu | yes |
| 09:17.43 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, why dont you just install debian onto 1 drive with 2 parts. then setup the raid1 and raid5 on the other 3 . . . then copy debian to that |
| 09:17.50 | Lagbolt | then add the 4th drive in when its all working |
| 09:17.51 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 09:18.33 | mitziyahu | you mean install it without raid |
| 09:18.37 | Lagbolt | yes :) |
| 09:18.40 | mitziyahu | and then let the software raid do it all? |
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| 09:19.22 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 09:19.44 | mitziyahu | would that end up with RAID1 and RAID5 the way i planned? |
| 09:20.11 | Meaw | hey guys, i got this message when im trying to start freeradius |
| 09:20.13 | Meaw | Wed May 28 01:43:30 2008 : Error: Failed creating PID file /var/run/freeradius/freeradius.pid: Permission denied |
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| 09:20.19 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, you can convert filesystems to raid :) the instructions are in the readme |
| 09:20.33 | idimmu | Meaw: does /var/run/freeradius exist |
| 09:20.36 | Lagbolt | or yeah you can install and then migrate to the raid |
| 09:20.36 | idimmu | and what permissions does it have? |
| 09:20.43 | Meaw | idimmu, yes it is |
| 09:20.55 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt wont that leave the first disk out of the RAID? |
| 09:21.11 | mitziyahu | cause i see troubles ahead with having to split the os after its already installed |
| 09:21.12 | Meaw | dont know how to check the directory permission |
| 09:21.18 | idimmu | ls -al |
| 09:21.20 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, yes then thru the magic that is raid you can add it into the raid once you have the raid up and running |
| 09:21.24 | mitziyahu | and besides i want to know why is this happening |
| 09:21.44 | Lagbolt | well mitziyahu maybe debian installer wasnt designed with 4 drive rain1 / raid5 combo? |
| 09:21.48 | Lagbolt | or maybe you are doing it wrong :( |
| 09:22.16 | Meaw | idimmu, ls -al /var/run/freeradius ? |
| 09:22.34 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt thats whay im trying to find out, what am i doing wrong :s |
| 09:22.44 | Lagbolt | i see |
| 09:22.47 | idimmu | ls -al /var/run | grep freeradius |
| 09:23.01 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt im getting this error after the attempt to create the partitions |
| 09:23.01 | mitziyahu | program parted_server is using a deprecated scsi ioctl please convert it to SG_IO |
| 09:23.02 | Meaw | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-11 20:46 freeradius |
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| 09:23.24 | idimmu | what user does freeradius run as? |
| 09:23.33 | idimmu | (im guessing its not root) |
| 09:23.33 | Meaw | freerad |
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| 09:23.48 | idimmu | chown freerad: /var/run/freeradius |
| 09:23.51 | idimmu | (as root) |
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| 09:24.08 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, well i dont know where you went wrong. i have not used the installer for what you are doing . . . i know people make the raid1 install work no trouble. but what you are doing sounds more complex. that is why i suggest an alternate method |
| 09:24.10 | idimmu | should sort that out then |
| 09:24.30 | mitziyahu | ok |
| 09:24.34 | mitziyahu | ill try that |
| 09:24.53 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, or this . . . |
| 09:25.05 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/512 <-- Software RAID5 and LVM with the Etch Installer |
| 09:25.12 | Lagbolt | just raid5 it all |
| 09:25.13 | utrrrongeeb | When I use Vi on a test system, the arrow keys are interpreted as capital A,B,C, and D. Insert mode is behaving obscurely. It's not the TERM variable, though. |
| 09:25.21 | YeTr2 | .. 4 disk raid1/5 ? |
| 09:25.54 | Lagbolt | YeTr2, yeah thats what he is trying |
| 09:26.04 | YeTr2 | utrrrongeeb: try using vim instead |
| 09:26.23 | YeTr2 | Lagbolt: quite easily sounds useless to me. |
| 09:26.40 | utrrrongeeb | YeTr2: If it works, how can I always have vim used? If not, what? |
| 09:26.51 | Lagbolt | YeTr2, lol yeah |
| 09:26.55 | YeTr2 | utrrrongeeb: dunno |
| 09:27.01 | beardy | !update-alternatives |
| 09:27.01 | dpkg | update-alternatives is probably a program to run from the command line. or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 09:27.13 | YeTr2 | Lagbolt: and he is trying to attempt this all via software raid? |
| 09:27.17 | beardy | utrrrongeeb: ^^^ |
| 09:27.20 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt i've read that but the installer thinks otherwisae :p |
| 09:27.25 | Lagbolt | YeTr2, yes |
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| 09:27.45 | YeTr2 | I see fail boat in the future. |
| 09:27.45 | beardy | If you install vim, it'd be the preferred vi, over the elvis or what it is nowadays. IIRC it might be vim tiny though.. |
| 09:27.54 | Lagbolt | mitziyahu, well buddy, sounds like a lot of work. if you really want to do it . . .do what i suggested |
| 09:28.09 | utrrrongeeb | beardy,YeTr2: Okay, thanks! (if it still doesn't work, I'll be back eventually) |
| 09:28.24 | mitziyahu | Lagbolt ill give it a try, thanks mamn |
| 09:28.26 | mitziyahu | man |
| 09:28.31 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 09:28.46 | Lagbolt | also mitziyahu read the /usr/share/doc/mdadm/ readmes . . .the recipe one is nice |
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| 09:28.52 | YeTr2 | should have probably exported EDITOR or something |
| 09:29.09 | utrrrongeeb | beardy: If it doesn't work, what should I try next? |
| 09:29.43 | beardy | utrrrongeeb: Tell us how you run it exactly, on a virtual terminal, over ssh, which ssh-client if so? |
| 09:29.50 | utrrrongeeb | YeTr2: Okay, I'll check that too... |
| 09:30.24 | beardy | utrrrongeeb: Install vim and I'm sure you'll get what you want. |
| 09:30.39 | utrrrongeeb | beardy: This occurs at VTs (usually tty1) and xterms. |
| 09:30.48 | alturiak | hmm... is there any information about perl-transition in testing, similar to http://wiki.debian.org/Perl5.10Transition?highlight=%28Perl%29, which seems a little outdated? |
| 09:30.57 | utrrrongeeb | beardy: Okay, I'll try vim. I'll come back if it doesn't work... |
| 09:31.05 | beardy | utrrrongeeb: Do that. |
| 09:31.10 | YeTr2 | waits patiently for this software raid1/5 to have a disk failure. |
| 09:31.20 | beardy | utrrrongeeb: If it works too, to say that it did work. |
| 09:31.29 | markybob | alturiak, perl 5.10 transition to lenny is done |
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| 09:32.04 | alturiak | yeah, I know that. it gives me quite a lot dependancy conflicts :-) |
| 09:32.13 | utrrrongeeb | beardy: I will. It'll probably be tomorrow, though. |
| 09:32.23 | utrrrongeeb | beardy: Thanks again. |
| 09:32.45 | needhelp | hi i have 3 computers of same hardwares and ubuntu, one of them has its cdrom on /dev/hda , where the other two is on /dev/hdc.. the cdrom on /dev/hda is always giving a cdrom: hda: mrw address space DMA selected.. what could be wrong? |
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| 09:33.05 | markybob | needhelp, this isnt #ubuntu |
| 09:33.08 | beardy | needhelp: That you are not asking in #ubuntu. |
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| 09:33.42 | YeTr2 | forsees a hardware screwup in needhelp's future |
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| 09:34.36 | beardy | needhelp: However, you don't want a cdrom as primary master, change it. And ask in the right place next time. |
| 09:34.40 | alturiak | markybob: so my question basically was if is there was any recommended way to upgrade perl? as of now, I'm getting http://pastebin.ca/1032961 |
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| 09:34.51 | Lagbolt | arg, i hate the url bar in iceweasel 3 :( stupid title search |
| 09:35.12 | markybob | alturiak, use aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 09:35.34 | amine | Hello, I just upgraded openssh and it isn't accepting my public key, how come? |
| 09:35.51 | markybob | amine, because it's a vulnerable key? |
| 09:35.59 | needhelp | oh ok thanks, sorry if it offended many |
| 09:36.13 | amine | markybob: so you are saying I need to re-generate the keys again? |
| 09:36.18 | markybob | amine, yes |
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| 09:36.27 | alturiak | markybob: hm, this would like to upgrade my mailserver-packages first which I rather wouldn't... but I guess it's them blocking it so I gotta find a solution there. thanks :) |
| 09:36.33 | amine | I should really start reading those post-upgrade messages aptitude keeps showing me |
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| 09:46.26 | PiousMinion | Working with visudo/sudoers how would I allow user 'foo' to run any command as root providing a password and allow him to run "bar" with no password. This is driving me nuts on how to combine these 2. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 09:47.01 | PiousMinion | foo ALL=(ALL) ALL + NOPASSWD: bar |
| 09:47.33 | PsySine | PiousMinion: maybe do something with setuid instead |
| 09:48.13 | PiousMinion | PsySine: That wouldn't be a very good idea given what "bar" actually is. :P |
| 09:49.42 | PsySine | maybe write a script with setuid root which checks which user ran it... |
| 09:50.44 | PiousMinion | that might work, but I'm a perfectionist and would prefer to do it the right way. Plus I learn more this way. :) |
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| 09:53.02 | fairway | hi all |
| 09:53.31 | fairway | is lenny still scheduled to be out in october 2008? |
| 09:54.09 | streuner | fairway: why do you ask this before every release? |
| 09:54.22 | streuner | we told you many times, read /msg dpkg wir |
| 09:54.30 | fairway | streuner: to make sure about the release date |
| 09:54.55 | streuner | you make nothing sure, only if you help to fix bugs |
| 09:56.00 | fairway | i don't fix bug - i'm a consumer. |
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| 09:56.44 | streuner | well, do something else then, write manuals, translations, help a maint. There are a lot of things you can do |
| 09:56.54 | fairway | ok |
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| 09:56.57 | zxxd | is it possible to make a vlan interface from a bridge interface? |
| 09:59.22 | streuner | fairway: http://www.us.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 10:01.09 | fairway | streuner: what is the motivation doing a voluntary job with no money in return? |
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| 10:02.13 | PsySine- | most people are not egoistic in nature, they like doing good things |
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| 10:03.53 | fairway | PsySine: I agree but it appeals only to a small minority of people these days |
| 10:04.45 | PsySine- | i's not a small minority |
| 10:05.34 | fairway | so why so much people work in banking? |
| 10:05.46 | mitziyahu | what? |
| 10:05.47 | mitziyahu | lol |
| 10:06.28 | streuner | fairway: you live in .ch? :-P |
| 10:06.45 | mitziyahu | lol |
| 10:06.56 | fairway | :-P |
| 10:07.04 | fairway | and no I'm not one of those. |
| 10:07.59 | PsySine- | the world would be in a much worse condition without banks :P |
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| 10:09.08 | fairway | In spite of this I don't think any bank runs debian at all :P |
| 10:09.25 | streuner | heh? they do :-) |
| 10:10.34 | fairway | not in .ch :P |
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| 10:10.46 | PsySine- | commercial debian distros are probably more common amongst banks |
| 10:10.52 | streuner | they aren't stupid, why the should get more headaches about lizens-issues and such |
| 10:11.48 | fairway | its all sun (solaris) here |
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| 10:12.08 | PsySine- | commercial linux distros* |
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| 10:14.19 | mitziyahu | ok |
| 10:14.27 | mitziyahu | debian installer sucks kaka :< |
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| 10:17.06 | streuner | fairway: http://www.tomra.fi/media/2006edition/ourproducts/reversevending/rvs1b.jpg <-- that's a Tomra T-710, they using Debian for these machines |
| 10:17.29 | fairway | aye |
| 10:17.37 | streuner | fairway: t-online germany using Debian for websites |
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| 10:30.49 | mitziyahu | Yes! |
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| 10:30.56 | mitziyahu | i've no idea what was wrong |
| 10:30.59 | PsySine- | does anyone know how to get characters like é and àto be visible in the console? |
| 10:31.10 | Tapout | export LANG=POSIX ? |
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| 10:31.20 | mitziyahu | but its ok now! i think the installer can't do RAID5 partitioning without LVM |
| 10:31.27 | mitziyahu | is this a bug or something? |
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| 10:33.17 | PsySine- | Tapout: doesn't seem to work |
| 10:33.41 | PsySine- | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but that also didn't work |
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| 10:34.08 | sep | mitziyahu, works for me. but ofcourse with raid5 wiouth lvm you must make 1 raid5 for each mountpoint/filesystem |
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| 10:38.06 | Ernie123 | hi |
| 10:38.51 | Ernie123 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 10:39.10 | streuner | (without quotes) |
| 10:41.35 | Ernie123 | i installed apache, php5, then intalled php4, now the php page not load, just open a window to save/open it. |
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| 10:41.57 | Ernie123 | tryied to remove, but the message says its not installed |
| 10:42.16 | Ernie123 | even with --purge |
| 10:42.25 | xushi | i'm trying to find libamr-nb but can't seem to on apt stable and testing.. does anyone know where to get it from? |
| 10:42.28 | xushi | for amd64 * |
| 10:42.37 | nagnag | http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/mdadm . How come apt-get install mdadm also want citadel-common/server/mta ? Its not listed as dep. |
| 10:42.52 | wols | Ernie123: dpkg -l |grep php |
| 10:43.04 | Ernie123 | ok |
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| 10:43.13 | wols | nagnag: possibly a dependency of a dependency |
| 10:43.47 | wols | Ernie123: there is no php4 in debian btw. and php4 is unsupported too by now |
| 10:43.51 | antgel | nagnag: more likely you marked it as install somewhere else |
| 10:44.16 | stew | nagnag: its listed as a Recommends: not as a Depends: |
| 10:44.42 | stew | !info php4 stable |
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| 10:45.06 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8+etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 10:45.13 | stew | Ernie123: what version of apache are you using? |
| 10:45.14 | Ernie123 | wols it shows me the librarys , but the php doesnt work |
| 10:45.21 | wols | Ernie123: pastebin it |
| 10:45.25 | Aurora | Hey, I have a quick question if anyone has a minute, regarding APT and custom builds |
| 10:45.26 | stew | Ernie123: apache or apache2? (or something else)? |
| 10:45.44 | stew | Aurora: just ask your question |
| 10:45.52 | Ernie123 | sorry, whow can i do this? |
| 10:45.59 | stew | Ernie123: do what? |
| 10:46.08 | wols | !pastebin |
| 10:46.08 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:46.32 | Ernie123 | what is pastebin? |
| 10:46.37 | wols | a website |
| 10:46.51 | stew | Ernie123: are you trying to use apache or apache2 to serve php pages? |
| 10:46.54 | Ernie123 | !pastebin |
| 10:46.54 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:46.55 | Aurora | I have a source build of GTK 2.10 in /opt, and I want to apt-get install xfce4 against my build of gtk in /opt, but apt-get insists on installing the package, can I work around it somehow to force it to use my build? |
| 10:47.07 | Ernie123 | ok |
| 10:47.26 | wols | !tell Aurora about equivs |
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| 10:47.29 | nagnag | Well, I installed testing amd64. Only the basics. After update and upgrade i did install openssh-server. Next was mdadm. I havent selected citadel, nor do i want it. Any suggestions ? |
| 10:47.55 | wols | nagnag: by default debian apt now pulls in recommanded pacakges too not just dependencies |
| 10:48.06 | wols | you can simply uninstall the package |
| 10:48.07 | stew | nagnag: aptitude install --without-recommends mdadm |
| 10:48.23 | nagnag | stew, thanks. |
| 10:48.55 | stew | nagnag: though we'd encourage you to run a MTA of some sort, especially if you have a raid array on the system |
| 10:48.57 | xushi | can anyone please help me find libamr-nb or its dev package? |
| 10:49.05 | stew | nagnag: why don't you want a MTA? |
| 10:49.54 | Aurora | stew: I have a source build of GTK 2.10 in /opt, and I want to apt-get install xfce4 against my build of gtk in /opt, but apt-get insists on installing the package, can I work around it somehow to force it to use my build? |
| 10:49.54 | wols | xushi: not in debian |
| 10:50.05 | wols | Aurora: dpkg just told you |
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| 10:50.15 | xushi | wols: yea i couldn't find it.. what should i do? |
| 10:50.23 | Ernie123 | http://rafb.net/p/FBrcs725.html |
| 10:50.28 | wols | xushi: build it yourself. only way |
| 10:50.46 | Ernie123 | that´s it? |
| 10:50.50 | wols | Ernie123: a2enmod php4 |
| 10:51.02 | Aurora | wols, sh yeah, thanks dude |
| 10:51.03 | stew | Ernie123: is there a reason you are trying to use php4 instead of php5? |
| 10:51.03 | PsySine- | what could be wrong when á,è,å,ö work before and at the login prompt but not after logging in? |
| 10:51.05 | Aurora | ah* |
| 10:51.07 | nagnag | stew, for now i dont wan any mta on that box. |
| 10:51.17 | wols | nagnag: bad choice |
| 10:51.29 | stew | nagnag: why not? how do you expect to be notified if a drive falls off your raid array? |
| 10:51.33 | wols | nagnag: you should install one and configure it correctly (local only) |
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| 10:52.56 | kstt | hi folks |
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| 10:54.08 | kstt | Does anybody knows a command that takes a file filed with {key=value} lines and a key, to return the value, please ? or should I simply use grep/sed ? |
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| 10:54.15 | nagnag | stew, wols, its only a playaround box. no need for mta. |
| 10:54.30 | hanak | can anyone help me, if i plugin my exterhdd with usb linux tells me can't mount |
| 10:54.36 | Legality | hey, what's the correct format for pinging some ips specific port? |
| 10:54.42 | Ernie123 | hmm php4 is already enabled , tryied with php5, and it installed, force-reload apache and give a error.. |
| 10:54.47 | petemc | Legality: telnet host port |
| 10:54.50 | Legality | I'm trying to see if my 3306 port is open for external connections |
| 10:55.05 | wols | Legality: you cannot ping IPs |
| 10:55.07 | kstt | hanak: it probably tells you _why_ ... |
| 10:55.10 | stew | Ernie123: if you wnat to use php5 instead of php4, "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 ; a2enmod php5" |
| 10:55.12 | wols | erm, cannot ping ports |
| 10:55.16 | PsySine- | kstt: doesn't feel like there is a command for that... sed sounds lika a good idea |
| 10:55.17 | kstt | Legality: use nmap |
| 10:55.19 | xushi | wols: does this look like a solution other than compiling myself? http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/a/amrnb/amrnb.php |
| 10:55.24 | kstt | PsySine-: thx |
| 10:55.44 | hanak | kstt: nope just can't mount the volume, or wait :) |
| 10:55.57 | kstt | hanak: search you logs |
| 10:56.15 | Legality | 3306/tcp open mysql |
| 10:56.23 | Legality | I guess this tells me that it actually is open |
| 10:56.27 | Ernie123 | ok |
| 10:56.32 | stew | xushi: what are you planning to do with amrnb? |
| 10:56.33 | Legality | hmmh.. damn then I have some other problems |
| 10:56.34 | wols | xushi: doesn't sound like libamr-nb |
| 10:56.47 | wols | Legality: don't use nmap to test, use telnet |
| 10:57.04 | xushi | wols: i wouldn't think the dash - between libamr and nb would matter |
| 10:57.13 | wols | Legality: also checking from localhost on port 3306 is not the same as checking from another host somewhere else |
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| 10:57.16 | xushi | for example, libamrnb-dev_7.0.0.1-0.0_amd64.deb |
| 10:57.32 | Legality | wols: I checked the port from an external server |
| 10:57.33 | wols | xushi: libammb is not libamr |
| 10:57.58 | DustyDingo | hm, which package contains a tool to convert postscript into pdf? |
| 10:58.05 | xushi | wols: either my dyslexia is up, or something's wrong.. i'm reading it as libamrnb, not libammb |
| 10:58.11 | wols | oh, farhter down |
| 10:58.13 | hanak | can anyone help me with mounting a ntfs usb hard drive |
| 10:58.23 | Legality | wols: telnet ip 3306 throwes me out immediately,, Escape charrachter is ... Connection closed by foreign host |
| 10:58.27 | hanak | it said ntfs is marked to be in use |
| 10:58.31 | Legality | wols: but I guess this is normal? |
| 10:58.32 | wols | xushi: you can always try and uninstall it again if it doesn't work |
| 10:58.44 | wols | Legality: so your mysql config is not proper |
| 10:58.57 | wols | Legality: as root netstat -anp |grep 3306 |
| 10:59.15 | xushi | wols: will do. I'm just trying to do it through apt-get , but i can't see it even after i added to source.list deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 10:59.17 | Legality | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1345/mysqld |
| 10:59.18 | wols | hanak: "mount" output |
| 10:59.34 | wols | Legality: what does your remote client say? |
| 10:59.43 | Legality | unable to connect to mysql server |
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| 11:00.07 | wols | xushi: might not be etch. might be lenny or sid there |
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| 11:00.20 | wols | Legality: then check your mysql logs |
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| 11:02.52 | Ernie123 | http://rafb.net/p/z4V5NM43.html |
| 11:03.44 | wols | Ernie123: it clearly tells you where the error is. als you can't have two php modules enabled/installed at the same time |
| 11:03.47 | stew | Ernie123: which do you wish to be using, php4 or php5? |
| 11:04.02 | Ernie123 | php5 |
| 11:04.18 | stew | Ernie123: a2dismod php4 && /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload |
| 11:04.19 | wols | so remove php4 with apt-get |
| 11:04.40 | stew | removing php4 with apt-get wouldn't have an effect on his current situation |
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| 11:06.11 | Legality | wols: hmmh.. the mysql logs don't show anything about connection attemtps |
| 11:06.15 | Legality | should there be? |
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| 11:06.55 | xerophyte | does anybody know dnswasher pcapfile output .. what is pcapfile .. is this tcpdump |
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| 11:06.59 | xerophyte | ? |
| 11:07.13 | xushi | compiling ffmpeg, i get "License: unredistributable". I take it that means i cannot give my ffmpeg binary to others? |
| 11:08.30 | Legality | son of a bitch |
| 11:08.39 | Legality | I had changed the smtphost, not mysqlhost |
| 11:08.45 | Legality | what the hell is that |
| 11:08.49 | nevyn | xushi: well... |
| 11:08.52 | stew | Legality: which mysql log are you looking at? |
| 11:08.58 | Legality | nah it works now |
| 11:08.59 | nevyn | xushi: it depends |
| 11:09.04 | Ernie123 | apt-get tells me php4 is not installed |
| 11:09.17 | stew | Ernie123: that's fine |
| 11:09.32 | xushi | nevyn: most probably because i'm enabling AMR codec in FFMPEG |
| 11:09.34 | nevyn | xushi: the issues around redistribution of ffmpeg binaries are extremely complicated |
| 11:09.54 | Ernie123 | but dpkg -l shows some librarys.. |
| 11:10.03 | nevyn | xushi: if you're not in a position to seek legal advise.. and you own anything you care about then it's probably a bad idea |
| 11:10.23 | xushi | hehe |
| 11:10.25 | xushi | too scary |
| 11:10.43 | wols | Legality: yes |
| 11:10.58 | tdn | xterm does not use the colors I defined in .Xdefaults when starting xterm from KDE. I know there is a command that reads the .Xdefaults that I need to run first, but I cannot remember this command, and I haven't been able to find the name of it on the net. |
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| 11:11.42 | tdn | Oh. It is xrdb -load |
| 11:11.44 | nevyn | xushi: this mainly applies to integratinging it into products and selling it.. giving it to a couple of mates is fine but putting it on the internets is possibly a bad idea |
| 11:11.46 | tdn | Nevermind :) |
| 11:11.46 | stew | xushi: you can just use ffmpeg from debian-multimedia and not need to have a amr-nb package installed |
| 11:11.48 | wols | xerophyte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pcap |
| 11:12.13 | nevyn | xushi: not that' that's stoped the debian-multimedia guys |
| 11:12.33 | xushi | stew: unfortunately i need amr-nb in order to encode 3gp to flv. It works, that's not the problem.. It's that i'm writing instructions on how to do all this, and would love to include my binary for others who would find it useful.. |
| 11:12.50 | xushi | stew: http://wiki.xushi.co.uk/index.php?title=Installing_FFMPEG_in_public_hosts |
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| 11:13.06 | xerophyte | wols thx |
| 11:13.18 | Ernie123 | good! php5 is almost working.. |
| 11:13.39 | Legality | almost? |
| 11:13.44 | Legality | how can it *not* to work? |
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| 11:13.49 | Ernie123 | :) |
| 11:13.55 | _eskimo | bye |
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| 11:14.12 | Legality | ae2nmod php5 that's it |
| 11:14.59 | Ernie123 | i did a file whith <? phpinfo() ?> and put in the wwwroot, and it's ok... |
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| 11:15.16 | Legality | nice |
| 11:15.20 | PsySine | on the bash commandline, é,à,å,ä,ö doesn't work, but when I run any command like cat or something thay work. what could be the problem? |
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| 11:15.23 | Ernie123 | but another php still asks me to save/open.. |
| 11:15.24 | Legality | how is almost working then? |
| 11:15.27 | Legality | oh |
| 11:15.29 | Legality | ok |
| 11:15.33 | Legality | check the config |
| 11:15.38 | Legality | if php is allowed in that dir |
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| 11:16.23 | stew | PsySine: what do you mean by "doesn't work"? |
| 11:16.23 | Ernie123 | its a cms script |
| 11:16.44 | DawnLight | is mailman supposed to add aliases to /etc/aliases for each list created? |
| 11:16.46 | stew | Legality: how does one configure whether or not php is allowed in a directory? |
| 11:17.10 | xushi | Ernie123: create a test.php with the line <?php phpinfo() ?> and use that until php works, then move on to a cms |
| 11:17.27 | stew | DawnLight: i thougth you were |
| 11:17.32 | PsySine | stew: when I paste on enter with keyboard, they don't appear, for example if i paste 'aåe' into bash, 'ae' is shown |
| 11:17.32 | stew | DawnLight: but that might have changed |
| 11:17.47 | stew | PsySine: using which terminal? |
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| 11:17.57 | DawnLight | stew: you thought i was what? |
| 11:18.02 | Legality | stew: hehe AFAIK it's impossible then if you doubt it :> Anyways, I meant disabling php from a vhost |
| 11:18.19 | stew | DawnLight: ..supposed to add aliases to /etc/aliases |
| 11:18.32 | PsySine | stew: xterm for example, but it's the same without X |
| 11:18.32 | stew | Legality: how do you do that? |
| 11:18.33 | DawnLight | stew: crap! i don't wanna do that |
| 11:19.02 | stew | DawnLight: i haven't had to deal with mailman in a few years though, this may have changed, check /usr/share/doc/mailman |
| 11:19.48 | Legality | stew: dunno, I have seen it on some control panels though :> If it's disabled it will only try to download the php files even though all other vhosts are working normally |
| 11:20.39 | Ernie123 | ok.. |
| 11:20.45 | DawnLight | stew: it says "For users of exim: if you want to use the /etc/aliases file for mailman aliases, you'll need to specify a user=list line or something like that in the system_aliases director." what is the system_aliases director? |
| 11:21.07 | stew | DawnLight: i know very little about exim |
| 11:21.29 | DawnLight | does anyone know what the system_aliases director is (in exim, perhaps)? |
| 11:21.45 | stew | PsySine: what about if you try "xterm -fn fixed"? |
| 11:21.55 | Ernie123 | it's all running now! |
| 11:22.08 | stew | DawnLight: did you read README.Exim4.Debian ? |
| 11:22.10 | abrotman | DawnLight: perhaps in #exim ? |
| 11:22.20 | abrotman | DawnLight: i use mailman with postfix .. it's pretty dead easy |
| 11:22.56 | PsySine | stew: I really don't think it has to do with xterm, it's the same when I ssh to the computer and remember if I start any program except bash, it works fine |
| 11:23.25 | stew | PsySine: what does "echo $LANG" say in bash? |
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| 11:24.18 | PsySine | it's not set |
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| 11:24.46 | stew | PsySine: what does it say when you are not in bash? |
| 11:25.37 | PsySine | stew: bash is my only shell :) |
| 11:25.57 | stew | PsySine: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 11:28.25 | PsySine | stew: thanks, seems to work |
| 11:29.09 | PsySine | although I'd be happier if I could leave locales and that stuff away :S |
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| 11:33.38 | Hatl | hi! is there a way to find out how a package (i.e. hal) was build? (configure parameters and so on) |
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| 11:34.46 | fas3r | freeradius need required from kernel ( need recompil kernel ) ? |
| 11:34.47 | stew | Hatl: "apt-get source packagename" will fetch and extract the sources into the current directory, then, inside the new source directory, debian/rules is the makefule used to build the package |
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| 11:36.24 | Hatl | stew: thank you very much! thats exactly what i was looking for. |
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| 11:47.32 | Hal9000 | hmm i have a package which gives an error when i try to remove it... how can i remove it with brute-force? |
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| 11:49.29 | wols | Hal9000: full apt output please |
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| 11:50.23 | Hal9000 | wols: http://pastebin.com/d1955766 |
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| 11:51.48 | wols | Hal9000: check the postrm for the package what it does |
| 11:52.06 | Hal9000 | wols: where do i find the postrm? |
| 11:52.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.31 | Hal9000 | wols: hmmm there is none |
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| 11:55.42 | Steveanders | Hi.. . i want to install imagemagick on debian.. how can i install it? anybody guide me |
| 11:56.56 | sep | Steveanders, aptitude install imagemagick |
| 11:57.00 | mosno | Steveanders: the same way you install everything else on Debian :) |
| 11:57.20 | wols | Hal9000: I don't believe you |
| 11:57.25 | wols | ls roundcube* |
| 11:57.38 | Hal9000 | ls: roundcube*: No such file or directory |
| 11:57.39 | stew | Hal9000: the postrm script is is /var/lib/dpkg/info/roundcube-core.postrm |
| 11:57.57 | Hal9000 | ok i explain what the problem is |
| 11:58.07 | Hal9000 | i tried to install a package from sid on etch |
| 11:58.09 | Hal9000 | it failed |
| 11:58.10 | Hal9000 | haha |
| 11:58.21 | Hal9000 | so probably it didng even install that postrm |
| 11:58.22 | stew | Hal9000: you should not try to do that, /msg dpkg backports |
| 11:58.30 | stew | Hal9000: it did |
| 11:58.57 | Hal9000 | oh right :P |
| 11:58.59 | Steveanders | i m getting this error while installing apt-get install imagemagick... http://pastebin.com/d61894de |
| 11:59.05 | stew | Hal9000: if that postrm script didn't exist, it A) wouldn't try to run it, and B) the non-existant script wouldn't be exiting with 'code 10' |
| 11:59.06 | Hal9000 | i will force install the backport package on it |
| 11:59.20 | stew | Hal9000: don't force anything |
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| 12:02.19 | Steveanders | sep: what is this problem..http://pastebin.com/d61894de |
| 12:02.26 | Steveanders | can u guide me |
| 12:03.24 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:03.24 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 12:05.22 | sep | Steveanders, forget about imagemagick until you fix your apt, seems like you have a problem with your exim4-daemon-heavy package read bug #477194 about that issue |
| 12:06.23 | Steveanders | sep: Bug #477194 does not exist. |
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| 12:06.48 | stew | !dbugs 477194 |
| 12:06.52 | dpkg | DONE:#477194:S[exim4-base] exim4: Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:18:28 UTC |
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| 12:08.15 | Hal9000 | stew: ok so i got the postrm script, what do i do with it? |
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| 12:08.40 | philsf | hello, what is the difference between ia64 and amd64? |
| 12:09.10 | stew | philsf: ia64 is for itanium, amd64 is for intel core2duo and 64 bit amd |
| 12:09.26 | philsf | stew: thanks |
| 12:09.36 | stew | Hal9000: debug it |
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| 12:10.44 | Hal9000 | stew: can i copy the postrm of the backport package and hope it will uninstall then? |
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| 12:10.49 | Hal9000 | i dunno how to debug a postrm |
| 12:11.52 | philsf | Hal9000: you can control a spaceship and can't debug scripts? ;) |
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| 12:12.09 | stew | Hal9000: add "set -x" as the second line of the script (after the #!/bin/sh line). this will make it show you the commands as they are run |
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| 12:14.22 | perfector | when i install my custom kernel it does not build my initramfs.. any idea y? |
| 12:15.22 | acemi | perfector: make-kpkg --initrd |
| 12:15.52 | perfector | acemi: it will built my initramfs too? i mean its not initrd. |
| 12:16.00 | nagnag | i just use update-initramfs |
| 12:16.40 | perfector | nagnag: once the kernel is installed |
| 12:16.42 | perfector | ? |
| 12:17.21 | nagnag | perfector, once i have moved bzImage to /boot/vmlinuz-<version>, yes |
| 12:17.22 | Hal9000 | philsf: lol |
| 12:17.31 | Hal9000 | stew: ok |
| 12:17.53 | wols | nagnag: don't do that |
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| 12:18.02 | perfector | nagnag: but that is done by the deb package in my case.. im using make-kpkg to build it |
| 12:18.03 | wols | perfector: use kernel-package |
| 12:18.12 | perfector | hey wols |
| 12:18.17 | wols | perfector: how did you build it? what was your make-kpkg line |
| 12:18.30 | perfector | wols one sec |
| 12:18.53 | Hal9000 | + RET='10 roundcube/reconfigure-webserver doesn'\''t exist' |
| 12:18.54 | Hal9000 | + case ${_db_internal_line%%[ ]*} in |
| 12:18.54 | Hal9000 | + return 10 |
| 12:18.56 | wols | perfector: acemi is right. and initrd is the initiramfs |
| 12:18.56 | Hal9000 | oh what a mess |
| 12:19.13 | nagnag | perfector, i see. i thought you were doing the kernel manually. not package |
| 12:19.25 | perfector | wols: make-kpkg --reversion=1..0 kernel_image |
| 12:19.39 | wols | perfector: acemi already gave you the answer long ago |
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| 12:20.07 | perfector | wols: it means i shld add --initrd to it.. ok.. i tot like there was a difference with initrd and initramfs.. |
| 12:20.33 | perfector | nagnag: wols: acemi: thanks a lot guys |
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| 12:26.15 | Rascal999 | does suspending debian allow it to continue doing stuff? |
| 12:27.52 | wols | a suspended CPU doesn't do anything |
| 12:27.59 | wols | except possibly waking up again |
| 12:28.17 | Rascal999 | does suspending blank the screen? |
| 12:28.34 | wols | usually yes |
| 12:29.26 | Rascal999 | ok brb testing |
| 12:29.27 | ghatak | [3~ |
| 12:29.35 | ghatak | sorry |
| 12:29.50 | Hal9000 | wols: fixed :) |
| 12:30.06 | ghatak | bad exca |
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| 12:32.51 | fde | Hello, I'm wondering how to utilize pinning for a specific repo, rather than dist... is that possible... say something at apt-get.org has the same version as debian, but I want that version instead? |
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| 12:37.22 | Steveanders | sep: how can i fix my apt problem |
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| 12:44.40 | Timo^ | are you alexdb "? |
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| 12:44.52 | wols | Steveanders: full output please |
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| 12:45.05 | Rascal999 | I have a tablet pc which I would like to make the screen blank when I am not using it (locked the session), how can I do this? |
| 12:45.14 | Timo^ | pm me if you are* |
| 12:45.22 | Rascal999 | Bearing in mind I always have it connected to power supply |
| 12:45.34 | Rascal999 | I'm using KDE |
| 12:45.36 | Steveanders | wols: http://pastebin.com/d61894de |
| 12:45.44 | ShawnPringleBSc | The etch5 kernel broke my USB devices. :( |
| 12:45.57 | alex__ | Timo^, no |
| 12:45.59 | ShawnPringleBSc | or I mean etch4, I think it was. |
| 12:46.13 | tunpishuang | try lenny |
| 12:46.43 | wols | Steveanders: you've already been told to fix your exim. asking again since you didn't like the answer is not advisable |
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| 12:52.11 | sep | Steveanders, i even pointed you to the bug, and the bots showed you the compleate url... |
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| 12:53.06 | nirupama | hi |
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| 12:53.13 | nirupama | I get Error 21 for grub |
| 12:53.25 | nirupama | and have to boot through rescue floppy |
| 12:53.31 | nirupama | how can i recover my grub |
| 12:53.40 | nirupama | I have tried grub-install /dev/sda8 |
| 12:53.44 | nirupama | update-grub |
| 12:53.50 | nirupama | but did not work |
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| 12:53.59 | nirupama | even checked the menu.list |
| 12:54.24 | wols | apastein the ouptput of fdisk -l, /boot/grub/device.map |
| 12:54.40 | wols | *pastebin |
| 12:54.44 | nirupama | wols, |
| 12:57.06 | ShawnPringleBSc | How old is EUPHORIA? It will be 15, this year I think. |
| 12:57.17 | ShawnPringleBSc | opps wrong room. |
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| 12:57.38 | Steveanders | wols: how can i fix exim? |
| 12:57.43 | antgel | it's a channel. hth |
| 12:57.56 | Steveanders | actually i m a new bie |
| 12:59.41 | wols | Steveanders: the bugreport is makred as DONE. it'S fixed and most probably the way to fix it is shown there |
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| 13:04.34 | Steveanders | no... :S |
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| 13:06.16 | wols | Steveanders: you are lieing. again |
| 13:06.35 | Steveanders | no.. i m saying... i can't understand... |
| 13:06.41 | Steveanders | i m a new bie in ubuntu |
| 13:06.54 | wols | are you running ubuntu? |
| 13:07.15 | Steveanders | no.. debian |
| 13:08.28 | stew | Steveanders: did you read the bug report? |
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| 13:09.29 | Steveanders | when i click on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477194 |
| 13:09.34 | Steveanders | it says bug is not available |
| 13:09.42 | stew | Steveanders: this isn't a bug in mozilla, this is a bug in debian |
| 13:09.47 | stew | Steveanders: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:10.15 | sep | Steveanders, >>>>> http://bugs.debian.org/477194 <<<< |
| 13:10.33 | sep | i guess the only one time i'd consider user colors in irc.... |
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| 13:13.20 | rgr | I'm running debian lenny. The deb package at the skype website doesn't install. Has anyone got skype with video working with Debian lenny? |
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| 13:16.59 | Tapout | is there a better lightweight resolver than named/bind? |
| 13:17.03 | J_P | hi all |
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| 13:18.03 | wols | !better |
| 13:18.03 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 13:18.31 | wols | Tapout: bind is not a resolver. your C library has a resolver |
| 13:18.38 | rgr | Can anyone here give me some pointers as to how to install the skype beta package for skype with video released for etch to install on lenny? |
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| 13:19.49 | Tapout | wols, /etc/resolv.conf -> pointed to named or djbdns ... I'm wondering which dns app to run |
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| 13:19.58 | abrotman | rgr: ask them .. skype isn't in debian |
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| 13:20.09 | Tapout | i'm just trying to find the lighttpd vs apache ... for dns :) |
| 13:20.20 | J_P | hey all, I have mounted um nfs server with root user. But in moutned point. I can't read one file that has "-rwx------ root root file". I'm as root and one less file show permission denied. What is the problem ? |
| 13:20.46 | Demosthenes | Tapout: dnsmasq |
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| 13:22.04 | Tapout | thanks Demosthenes |
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| 13:23.01 | Demosthenes | Tapout: i use that in several places, to combined with dhcp too. very light weight dns cache & serves up from hosts file |
| 13:23.24 | simNIX | J_P: did you declare -maproot=0 in exports file ? |
| 13:24.54 | DawnLight | where can i get the /usr/bin/file command? |
| 13:26.11 | wols | Tapout: do you want a caching DNS server? |
| 13:26.38 | wols | Tapout: makes no sense. you don't need dnsmasq or bind for apache |
| 13:26.49 | wols | !tell DawnLight about search |
| 13:26.59 | wols | DawnLight: it should be already installed btw |
| 13:27.20 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 13:28.01 | J_P | simNIX: not... that is for works like as I wnat |
| 13:28.02 | J_P | ? |
| 13:28.05 | J_P | want |
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| 13:29.16 | simNIX | try |
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| 13:29.20 | simNIX | man exports |
| 13:29.28 | fas3r | it exist application to save acl on folders ? |
| 13:29.56 | fas3r | maybe like fileacl on windows |
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| 13:30.04 | simNIX | also J_P: be aware nfs = plain text; in other words you root passwd is easely sniffed inside your network |
| 13:31.09 | Tapout | wols, know how people use apache... and then at somepoint they switch over to lighttpd once their server needs another boost? Lighttpd is able to do more with less than apache based off what I've read. I want *that* for DNS. Bind may be bloated whereas dnsmasq is lightweight and able to resolve more with less. |
| 13:31.13 | Tapout | That kind of idea |
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| 13:35.35 | J_P | simNIX: but maproot=root give acess to write data. But I would like only read the data/files |
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| 13:36.32 | simNIX | make the share ro ? |
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| 13:37.12 | knoxy | hi all.. My MailScanner says "is too big for spam checks" for all messages.. and all messages could not be forwarded... how can I do to fix it? set up the "Spam Size Checks" ? I'm using debian lenny |
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| 13:39.04 | omely | , i've been given the IP 192.204.70.66 and 192.204.70.65 as gateway - how do I know my subnet mask and bcast address? |
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| 13:40.35 | simNIX | ask the preson that gave out those ips ? (if its not 255.255.255.0 ) |
| 13:40.41 | simNIX | person |
| 13:40.47 | wols | omely: do you really have a subnet or simply a PPP connection? |
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| 13:41.22 | omely | a real subnet |
| 13:41.39 | J_P | simNIX: yes 10.0.0.100 (ro) |
| 13:42.02 | wols | omely: then your ISP told you |
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| 13:42.13 | wols | omely: how big is your subnet? |
| 13:43.09 | omely | Yeah I misreaded. it's 255.255.255.224 |
| 13:43.11 | omely | sorry |
| 13:43.34 | omely | What exaclt is the "network" part in the interfaces file? |
| 13:43.41 | omely | exactly |
| 13:43.46 | rgr | abrotman: possibly not but they do release a debian package and this is a debian helpgroup. |
| 13:43.49 | wols | man interfaces |
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| 13:44.40 | omely | I did read the man pages.. it's just not very detailed on the "network" part |
| 13:44.58 | omely | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.05 | stylesen | Can anyone tell me why webmin was removed from testing? If there is any url that will be great! |
| 13:46.28 | pumpkin0 | !tell stylesen about webmin |
| 13:46.37 | mquin | omely: For that mask the network address will be 192.204.70.64, broadcast will be 192.204.70.95 |
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| 13:47.14 | mquin | omely: have a read at http://www.ralphb.net/IPSubnet/ |
| 13:47.25 | mquin | you might also find the 'ipsc' package useful |
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| 13:50.13 | omely | I now have: address: 192.204.70.66 - netmask: 255.255.255.224 - network: 192.204.60.64 broadcast: 192.204.70.95 gateway: 192.204.70.65 -correct? |
| 13:50.22 | omely | hmm ipsc never heard of it. *googles* |
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| 13:51.18 | omely | allright obvious its not correct as its not working |
| 13:51.27 | stylesen | pumpkin0: thanks I got the reply |
| 13:51.48 | stew | omely: you should not specify network or broadcast, omit them and they will be calculated for you (since you are on a much newer than a 2.0.x kernel) |
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| 13:52.14 | pumpkin0 | stylesen: just don't use that package, OK ... |
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| 13:52.20 | omely | im editing the interfaces file directly.. so I just remove the network and broadcast part there? |
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| 13:52.28 | stew | omely: yes |
| 13:52.55 | stylesen | pumpkin0: yep! I asked that because I want to quote one of my friend that this package is not sane :) |
| 13:53.05 | NetNiet | Hi, I did a install of pdns-backend-mysql; should get some where instructions to create a database ? |
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| 13:53.42 | stew | NetNiet: did you check /usr/share/doc/pdns-backend-mysql/* ? |
| 13:53.58 | NetNiet | Sorry ... i'm gone do it now |
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| 13:58.23 | E-bola | I'm trying to install an updated driver for my ibm serveRAID-5i. But im not quite sure whats being used atm, how can i tell what kernelmodule/driver my controller is using currently? |
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| 14:02.55 | flokuehn | E-bola: it should be able for you to check this via lsmod and grep |
| 14:03.41 | flokuehn | E-bola: at least i think you should be able to find out what kernel modules are currently loaded |
| 14:03.43 | E-bola | flokuehn: i checked lsmod, the problem is i do not know what im looking for.,... |
| 14:03.48 | flokuehn | oh ok |
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| 14:04.02 | E-bola | i can see the card with lspci |
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| 14:04.12 | E-bola | but how do i link that to a loaded module+ |
| 14:04.24 | _gus_ | hello. How to resolve dependencies problems? |
| 14:04.44 | flokuehn | E-bola: you dont have to. i should already be linked when the kernel modlue is loaded |
| 14:04.59 | _gus_ | I can install firefox3.0 due to dependency problem with xulrunner1.9 |
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| 14:06.02 | E-bola | flokuehn: yes i know and the controller works etc |
| 14:06.08 | E-bola | but how do i know which module is supporting it? |
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| 14:08.12 | E-bola | scsi_mod 137772 4 sg,sd_mod,ips,libata |
| 14:08.19 | E-bola | this is the only scsi related thing i can find with lsmod |
| 14:08.32 | E-bola | but that doesnt look like a raidcontroller card module? |
| 14:08.46 | wols | it isn't |
| 14:08.56 | wols | E-bola: what does lspci say? |
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| 14:09.09 | E-bola | 08:02.0 RAID bus controller: IBM ServeRAID Controller |
| 14:09.16 | E-bola | it correctly lists that line, which ismy controller |
| 14:09.52 | pozic | Aren't only the 2.6.25 kernels Xen enabled? I downgraded to 2.6.24, but the installer is still complaining that it is Xen enabled. |
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| 14:10.16 | wols | E-bola: you sure linux kernel directly supports it? |
| 14:11.16 | E-bola | wols: i have no idea, all I know is that its working , but performance is very bad |
| 14:11.26 | E-bola | I got a driver from IBM, but im a bit unsure about how to install it |
| 14:11.39 | E-bola | thats why i wanted to find out what was supporting it on the running system |
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| 14:15.08 | pozic | What kernel can I use that works with the latest nvidia.com installer and contains no remote root exploits nor known local root exploits? |
| 14:15.16 | wols | E-bola: how old is the hw? |
| 14:15.27 | wols | pozic: ask nvidia, not us |
| 14:15.45 | wols | debian uses kernel 2.6.18-6 or so |
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| 14:16.34 | E-bola | wols: Its about 3 years old |
| 14:17.48 | E-bola | wols: but isnt there a way to tell how linux is accessing /dev/sda ? |
| 14:18.04 | wols | dmesg |
| 14:19.32 | E-bola | ahh right, should ahve thought about that |
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| 14:23.42 | E-bola | wols: scsi0 : IBM PCI ServeRAID 7.12.05 Build 761 <ServeRAID 5i> |
| 14:23.49 | E-bola | so it is spotting the hardware correctly |
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| 14:25.12 | E-bola | Hmm then i simply dont know why its so slow.... |
| 14:25.35 | E-bola | 30MB/sec read on a 3disk raid5 with 10k scsi disks and 128 BBC |
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| 14:28.17 | jdahm | is there a way in inittab to have tail -f /var/log/messages going in like tty12? |
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| 14:31.04 | ghatak | hi, I have a strange problem with syslog-ng, i want recieve remote syslog from switch and router, when I do a tcpdump i can see udp packets being sent however syslog-ng daemon does not see them. even if i do netcat on port 514, it does not see it, any help please ? |
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| 14:33.01 | pozic | wols: Even with the 2.6.18 kernel the installer claims I am running Xen for some reason. Do you know why it might say that? There must be some file somewhere that is shouting "this is a Xen kernel", while it clearly isn't... |
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| 14:35.59 | justin | ghatak: source net { udp(); }; ? |
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| 14:37.39 | ghatak | justin: I have it as source s_net { udp(); }; |
| 14:38.23 | justin | ghatak: and something that says log { source(s_net); destination(...); }; ? |
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| 14:40.13 | ghatak | justin: yes, the problem is that it sees messages from some hosts however not from others, i can see the packets being delivered when doing tcpdump but they do not show up syslog-ng daemon |
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| 14:42.31 | dokma | hi guys |
| 14:42.39 | dokma | my ssh key authentication stopped working |
| 14:42.49 | dokma | it requests a pass on the login attempt now |
| 14:43.04 | pumpkin0 | dokma: Are you the admin of that system ? |
| 14:43.09 | dokma | I verified the content of id_rsa.pub and authorized_keys |
| 14:43.11 | dokma | yes |
| 14:43.13 | dokma | on both |
| 14:43.14 | patrick-- | if i have a filename with full path within a variable, how can i rewrite it like /test/ble/file.txt to /test/ble/ble/file.txt ? |
| 14:43.29 | dokma | is there a chance that this was some sort of a breach ? |
| 14:43.36 | pumpkin0 | dokma: did you update ssh/sshd lately? |
| 14:43.56 | dokma | pumpkin0: I think I might have on my home machine |
| 14:44.17 | pumpkin0 | dokma: (you really, really should upgrade both) did you recreate the ssh/ssl-keys afterwards? |
| 14:44.30 | dokma | didn't touch the keys |
| 14:44.39 | dokma | but will do so now |
| 14:44.42 | wols | patrick--: symlink or hardlink |
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| 14:44.58 | pumpkin0 | dokma: so you still have the guessable, cracked keys on a live online system? |
| 14:45.18 | pumpkin0 | !tell dokma about dsa1571 |
| 14:45.34 | patrick-- | wols: i have TEST="/test/bleh/file.txt" and now i want to rewrite $TEST to /test/bleh/bleh/file.txt |
| 14:46.06 | dokma | pumpkin0: didn't know that one |
| 14:46.14 | dokma | I don't follow it close enough obviously |
| 14:46.16 | Demosthenes | ghatak: enable tcp too |
| 14:46.17 | wols | patrick--: so reset the var to the new value |
| 14:46.19 | dokma | will update that right now |
| 14:46.38 | patrick-- | wols: but i need to extract the path out of the var and add a folder |
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| 14:46.46 | pumpkin0 | dokma: there are several scanners trying these keys on the net since at least one week. |
| 14:46.50 | ghatak | Demosthenes: but packets are being sent as UDP..... |
| 14:47.18 | Demosthenes | ghatak: ah |
| 14:47.20 | dokma | damn |
| 14:47.22 | Demosthenes | all of them? |
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| 14:48.05 | ghatak | Well not all of them of course but most of them |
| 14:49.06 | cire | I have a file containing a String on each line (DE, EN, FR, GB, etc). Now I want to count the occurences of each String. (as in SQL "order by" and "count"). How would you do that? |
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| 14:49.30 | wols | patrick--: #bash |
| 14:49.32 | rmop | hello |
| 14:49.34 | cire | of course I could do "cat file | grep DE | wc -l", but I had to do this for every String in the file... |
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| 14:52.45 | jberg | are most d-link ethernet cards supported in the debian installer? |
| 14:52.57 | anabain | in a LAN, how does a firewall in an AP allow traffic on a port for machine A and not for machine B if the first one is disconnected and the second one is connected but spoofing the 1st one's mac? That is, which mechanism uses the firewall to distinguish who is allowed to access to a certain port? |
| 14:54.24 | justin | anabain: what? |
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| 14:54.53 | anabain | justin, what what? |
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| 14:55.43 | Demosthenes | anabain: there isn't much that will protect you from mac spoofing that i'm aware of, other than secured protocols |
| 14:55.46 | justin | anabain: your question makes little sense. for one, an AP does not have a firewall |
| 14:55.52 | jberg | if i have a d-link dfe-530tx with a realtek 8139 chip, will it work out of the box with debian installer? |
| 14:56.01 | wols | jberg: yes |
| 14:56.06 | jberg | ok thanks |
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| 14:56.39 | varney | hey is it possible to connect to secure ftp via a web browser? |
| 14:56.55 | pumpkin0 | varney: depends on the browser |
| 14:56.59 | anabain | justin, ok, then the firewall is on one of the pc of the LAN, isn't it? |
| 14:57.23 | varney | pumpkin0: well which ones support it? i tried ftps:// in opera and i don't get anything |
| 14:57.50 | justin | anabain: it could be |
| 14:58.17 | pumpkin0 | varney: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/684?application=firefox&category=XUL%2520Applications&numpg=10&id=684 |
| 14:58.24 | E-bola | Shouldnt /proc/scsi/scsi contain soemthing if im using scsi or sas disks? |
| 14:58.27 | justin | anabain: if you are using 802.1x, you can't really spoof MAC addresses to get online |
| 14:58.36 | wols | varney: rarely i ever |
| 14:58.40 | anabain | but that means that the data is sent to the AP, then to the firewall on a LAN machine and then bacj to the AP to reach internet, isn't it? |
| 14:59.09 | justin | anabain: by "AP" are you referring to an actual access point, or a cheap linksys thing? |
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| 15:00.19 | anabain | the crappy one, provided by ADSL offers from ISPs, etc., justin |
| 15:01.04 | varney | pumpkin0: well how should i connect to a ftp site via FF with the plugin? i tried ftps:// but i doesn't support it, it says |
| 15:01.06 | Doubletwist | Is there a good utility in debian that can at least somewhat securely wipe a HD while the machine is still running? |
| 15:01.11 | varney | i should be using Auth TLS |
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| 15:01.30 | varney | i have proftpd running on Debian server |
| 15:01.33 | Doubletwist | I can't boot off a CD, this is a remote hosted server. I want to as securely as possible wipe as much data as possible before I cancel my account |
| 15:01.42 | justin | anabain: ah, that complicates things somewhat |
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| 15:02.04 | justin | Doubletwist: dd should work fine |
| 15:02.13 | pumpkin0 | Doubletwist: stop as much processes as possible and do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your-hd". |
| 15:02.37 | pumpkin0 | varney: are you sure the plugin is loaded ? |
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| 15:02.52 | Doubletwist | Ok, that's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some other method. |
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| 15:03.18 | pumpkin0 | Doubletwist: is the server using IDE/SATA-HDs? |
| 15:03.27 | Doubletwist | yeah SATA |
| 15:03.54 | varney | pumpkin0: yes, but i am asking is ftps:// how i should connect? |
| 15:04.01 | pumpkin0 | Doubletwist: do you really, really want to piss off the people hosting the service? |
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| 15:04.17 | pumpkin0 | varney: it should work with ftps (and it does for me). |
| 15:04.20 | Doubletwist | pumpkin0: I"m not that vindictive, but I'm not going out of my way to be nice to them either |
| 15:04.21 | Doubletwist | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.38 | Doubletwist | They decided to raise the monthly cost of this server by 47%.... |
| 15:04.50 | Demosthenes | Doubletwist: ... per day |
| 15:05.28 | pumpkin0 | Doubletwist: man hdparm => ATA Security Feature Set. It kills most drives instantly. |
| 15:05.38 | Doubletwist | heh |
| 15:06.33 | pumpkin0 | Doubletwist: they drop dead at the next reboot. There is a way to make them work again, but it's not easy and not always supported. |
| 15:06.59 | Demosthenes | geez, --enhanced-security-erase |
| 15:07.15 | wols | Doubletwist: make a ramdisk, load in dban or a script working like dban. let it run on your disk forever. it will delete the full disk |
| 15:07.18 | Demosthenes | whatever happened to the good old days of dd if=/dev/ramdom of=/dev/hda ? |
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| 15:07.39 | wols | Demosthenes: insecure. technolgy can undo it |
| 15:08.03 | Demosthenes | wols: which is why many raid arrays are physically destroyed instead of just wiped. |
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| 15:09.27 | pumpkin0 | Demosthenes: dd takes some time, setting the master-pw via hdparm does not. So if it has to be done really fast ... |
| 15:09.50 | Demosthenes | pumpkin0: isn't that just firmware though? if it doesn't take time, the data's still on disk |
| 15:09.55 | wols | pumpkin0: they might sue him then for "destroying" their disk |
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| 15:10.09 | wols | and yes, a lab can undo that pw |
| 15:10.23 | Doubletwist | Well, I'm not going to destroy the disk. I'm just going to go the dd route :) |
| 15:10.25 | Doubletwist | Thanks for the help |
| 15:10.34 | Demosthenes | i'd suggest umount all extra partitions and use shred on the raw partitions |
| 15:10.48 | Demosthenes | then fill root with a single giant file, and shred that file |
| 15:10.54 | pumpkin0 | Demosthenes: the data is on the disc, but the passwd it there too. You have to access the disc via an alternative firmware, remove the pw and read the data latter ... |
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| 15:11.07 | Demosthenes | pumpkin0: a recovery firm could ;] |
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| 15:11.41 | Demosthenes | Doubletwist: wipes 90% of data, leaves it bootable but crippled. |
| 15:12.13 | Demosthenes | Doubletwist: or if only /home is a concern, leave the rest |
| 15:12.45 | Demosthenes | you can clear freespace by using the dd giant file method (100% full filesystem), and shred that giant file |
| 15:13.10 | anabain | justin, anyway, how can the FW in the LAN machine distinguish the spoofing machine request from the real one? |
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| 15:16.32 | ghatak | justin: Demosthenes , found the problem.. there was not back route on the box |
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| 15:19.33 | webPragmatist | Where should I start to find instructions on making a drive image of a debian install? |
| 15:19.49 | ghatak | dd |
| 15:19.50 | webPragmatist | I think it is done with tar right? |
| 15:20.02 | ghatak | webPragmatist: use dd |
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| 15:21.47 | Katty | herroes. |
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| 15:22.35 | IndridCold | Anyone know why mod_fastcgi isn't available as a package for etch ? |
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| 15:23.00 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 15:23.07 | Katty | g'morning! |
| 15:23.35 | webPragmatist | ghatak: ok do i have to temporarily store the image onto the current drive or can i transfer it over ssh? |
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| 15:24.48 | ghatak | webPragmatist: dd = disk duplication, it create the disk image as an output file, you can transfer it which ever way you want, you can probably pipe it directly to destination |
| 15:25.04 | Katty | anyone had a problem with their eth card getting a new number everytime they reboot? i'm up to eth5 and i'm not sure where to start. |
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| 15:25.40 | screamingbytes | ive got a weird situation, im using VMware on a machine (running XP) [I know, spank slap etc...] and withing a VM Session im running Debian etch, unfortunately its the only way I can use linux at work. So my question is this, I was running the update manager, and updated, however I never clicked the Forward button so it would finnish up the scripts before Winblows blue screened |
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| 15:25.58 | screamingbytes | is there a way to ensure the items installed correctly? |
| 15:26.49 | Demosthenes | screamingbytes: rerun update |
| 15:26.50 | Demosthenes | ? |
| 15:26.52 | wols | doesn't matter. run the apt client again it will simply continue. if you get errors: tell us about them |
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| 15:27.11 | wols | !tell Kdecherf about z45 |
| 15:27.13 | screamingbytes | I have done that Demosthenes, and no new updates are available |
| 15:27.28 | wols | !tell Katty about z25 |
| 15:27.38 | wols | screamingbytes: then it's done |
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| 15:27.51 | screamingbytes | its the update-manager tool |
| 15:27.56 | screamingbytes | if that makes a difference |
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| 15:28.03 | Demosthenes | screamingbytes: whats that? |
| 15:28.06 | screamingbytes | kk ty wols |
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| 15:28.14 | Demosthenes | screamingbytes: ;] |
| 15:28.29 | wols | Demosthenes: BS backported from ubuntu :P |
| 15:28.31 | screamingbytes | Demosthenes: what happenes when you run update-manager |
| 15:28.52 | LaicepS | Hello. Did anybody installed the nvidia drivers with the 2.6.25 kernel for amd ? |
| 15:28.58 | screamingbytes | wols: so I shouldn't be using it? its not really deb |
| 15:29.00 | wols | !anyone |
| 15:29.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:29.17 | wols | screamingbytes: you can use it just fine. it's just useless eyecandy :) |
| 15:29.40 | screamingbytes | wols: k, im only using it while im getting comfortable with apt |
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| 15:29.56 | screamingbytes | wols: but I can force the learning curve faster |
| 15:29.59 | LaicepS | I don't know why but the nvidia kernel module doesn't compile well |
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| 15:30.27 | screamingbytes | either way, wols and Demosthenes tyvm |
| 15:30.51 | wols | LaicepS: where did you get the module? |
| 15:31.27 | LaicepS | well i downloaded the nvidia drivers installer which is supposed to add the module |
| 15:31.31 | LaicepS | at least, i guess :/ |
| 15:31.55 | wols | LaicepS: it's not. we don't support that installer, at all. it also breaks your debian package management |
| 15:31.56 | fengor | !tell LaicepS about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:31.56 | disposable | when i do ps aux, init comes up as init[2]. what does the [2] mean? |
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| 15:32.06 | wols | Demosthenes: PID |
| 15:32.22 | maxy | hi, I have replaced the dvd drive, the new one is now /dev/dvd2 - where do I change this to /dev/dvd? |
| 15:32.34 | webPragmatist | ghatak: can you use dd on a mounted drive? |
| 15:32.41 | wols | maxy: sounds like udev |
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| 15:32.52 | LaicepS | ok i didn't know sorry, but it worked fine until now so i thought it wasn't due to the installer |
| 15:33.01 | wols | webPragmatist: yes. but if you do BAD things happen |
| 15:33.09 | disposable | maxy: in /dev there's a softlink called dvd2 pointing at the actual device. create a new one with "ln -s" |
| 15:33.29 | Demosthenes | wols: runlevel! ;] |
| 15:33.31 | webPragmatist | well what's an alternative? |
| 15:33.39 | wols | Demosthenes: yes. brain fart |
| 15:33.46 | ghatak | webPragmatist: not sure, you can try and find out |
| 15:33.50 | Demosthenes | disposable: runlevel! ;] |
| 15:33.50 | wols | webPragmatist: alternative to do what? |
| 15:33.51 | maxy | yes mounted as udev... no point making manual symlinks I guess |
| 15:34.14 | disposable | Demosthenes: thank you |
| 15:34.17 | wols | maxy: somewhere in /etc/udev/rules.d/ there is the answer to your problem |
| 15:34.26 | webPragmatist | wols: basically i am trying to duplicate one of the servers we have on another |
| 15:34.29 | webPragmatist | onto* |
| 15:34.30 | maxy | looking |
| 15:34.32 | ghatak | webPragmatist: however dd will not know of underlying OS, depends on what is being used to mount it, local drives should be fine, network drives is a different story |
| 15:34.46 | wols | webPragmatist: mount the partition read only then dd it |
| 15:34.58 | null_ | Question: Any estimate on how long Firefox 3 will be in the repos after its released? I've realized it's the least stable part of my desktop :( |
| 15:35.08 | wols | !tell null_ about WIR |
| 15:35.31 | null_ | weee |
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| 15:36.13 | maxy | ah found it, thx |
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| 15:48.08 | jonaskoelker | question: I want to mount (-o loop) a squashfs volume; which packages do I need? Do I need to load some kernel module? I get "unknown file system type 'squashfs'" |
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| 15:52.26 | E-bola | If i set the owner of a .sh script to root and to chmod u+s on it, and inside it has some ssh and scp commands, shouldnt it run as root and use root's certificates? |
| 15:52.26 | wols | jonaskoelker: package squashfs |
| 15:52.29 | E-bola | (it doesnt) |
| 15:52.34 | jonaskoelker | wols: got it |
| 15:52.40 | wols | E-bola: you cannot set scripts to suid root |
| 15:52.44 | jonaskoelker | wols: hey, you again :) thanks for helping me with grub the other day |
| 15:52.48 | E-bola | wols: only binary's? |
| 15:52.52 | wols | I did? |
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| 15:57.43 | d34df00d | Hi there! |
| 15:57.55 | d34df00d | How would I develop apps using C++ for Symbian UIQ3 on Debian? |
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| 15:58.17 | d34df00d | I've googled a bit, seems like links/howtos are outdated. So maybe someone could point me to an up-to-date solution. |
| 15:58.23 | cedric3 | hi i search a xlock package for debian etch i don't found who cdan help me please |
| 15:58.26 | cedric3 | thanks |
| 15:58.53 | cedric3 | to lock my X session |
| 15:58.56 | dondelelcaro | d34df00d: presumably gcc can cross-compile for whatever architecture symbian is |
| 15:59.09 | dondelelcaro | cedric3: xlock or xscreensaver will lock your session for you |
| 15:59.27 | cedric3 | dondelelcaro : there are no package |
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| 15:59.40 | cedric3 | sorry there are thanks :) |
| 15:59.44 | d34df00d | dondelelcaro: yep, but developing for symbian is more than just compiling. You'd build an installer file etc, so just GCC for the correct architecture isn't enough. |
| 15:59.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell cedric3 -about search |
| 15:59.57 | d34df00d | dondelelcaro: at least, that's in the docs I've found. |
| 16:00.15 | dondelelcaro | d34df00d: right, but those bits are symbian specific, and don't really have much to do with Debian |
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| 16:00.42 | d34df00d | dondelelcaro: and where can I get help about those? |
| 16:00.45 | dondelelcaro | d34df00d: but in any case, apt-cache search symbian; will point you in the right direction |
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| 16:01.23 | d34df00d | dondelelcaro: ensymble doesn't work for me (already tried it out). It fails with a strange error message. |
| 16:01.35 | dondelelcaro | d34df00d: have you filed a bug? |
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| 16:02.01 | d34df00d | dondelelcaro: no, I haven't yet. I've got that only a couple of minutes ago. |
| 16:02.11 | d34df00d | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/z6Zlra84.html if you wonder. |
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| 16:03.14 | drwahl | is there a way to see previous uptimes? for example, my system just rebooted, and i want to see the uptime from the previous boot |
| 16:04.02 | d34df00d | drwahl: maybe last would help. |
| 16:04.38 | drwahl | ugh, but then i have to do math :) |
| 16:05.26 | drwahl | hmm... and last doesnt seem to go back far enough to show the previos boot |
| 16:05.29 | simonrvn | uptimed package |
| 16:06.15 | drwahl | is uptimed apart of the uptime project? (the one that has the website of the longest uptimes) |
| 16:06.27 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 16:06.33 | simonrvn | !info uptimed |
| 16:06.57 | drwahl | http://www.uptime-project.net/ |
| 16:07.03 | dpkg | uptimed: (Utility to track your highest uptimes), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:0.3.12-2 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 16:07.22 | drwahl | whoa, dpkg is a little sluggish today |
| 16:07.46 | wols | points ops to wall notice |
| 16:07.54 | Maulkin | Already acked. |
| 16:07.56 | simonrvn | was fast for me, 8 seconds |
| 16:08.03 | wols | ah |
| 16:08.08 | Maulkin | :) |
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| 16:08.15 | drwahl | almost a full minute for me |
| 16:08.21 | simonrvn | see the little @? ;p |
| 16:08.59 | Maulkin | Were? Argh! |
| 16:09.03 | drwahl | anyway. i guess i should get back to work. thanks for the info! |
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| 16:12.27 | peterpan | hy people |
| 16:12.46 | peterpan | 9: if [ expr index "$1" "r" ] && [ expr index "$2" "u" ]; then |
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| 16:13.05 | peterpan | $k/usr/sbin/a: line 9: [: too many arguments |
| 16:13.09 | peterpan | ?? |
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| 16:17.57 | battlemidget | peterpan: what is it you are attempting to do with those 2 evaluations |
| 16:18.21 | battlemidget | and furthermore i dont think you can evaluate that control statement like that |
| 16:18.45 | jelly | peterpan: expr is a command. [ is also a command. |
| 16:19.01 | marcosbr | hello there, I'm new to Debian and I'm having some problem with some component |
| 16:19.09 | jelly | peterpan: did you want if expr ... && expr ...; ? |
| 16:19.11 | marcosbr | could some one help me? |
| 16:19.16 | Maulkin | !ask |
| 16:19.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:21.37 | marcosbr | Ok, I'm running Debian etch, on a notebook here without internet connection. I want to know how can I configure the wireless conection without the package NetworkManager. |
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| 16:23.18 | Donatilo_ | marcosbr, does this help? http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man7/wireless.7.php |
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| 16:23.59 | wols | marcosbr: yes |
| 16:24.10 | marcosbr | Yep thats helps =) |
| 16:24.15 | marcosbr | Thanks very much, I'll try that |
| 16:24.16 | marcosbr | ! |
| 16:24.25 | wols | marcosbr: install wireless-tools and read its docs |
| 16:24.44 | battlemidget | marcosbr: more reading here http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.html |
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| 16:25.56 | marcosbr | thanks very much |
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| 16:30.50 | peterpan | jelly: are u there? |
| 16:30.53 | peterpan | sorry for my lag |
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| 16:31.01 | jelly | peterpan: I'm there. |
| 16:32.01 | peterpan | jelly: i wanna know if there is the letter 'r' in the first parameter, and the letter 'u' in the second parameter |
| 16:32.03 | peterpan | just this |
| 16:32.38 | peterpan | and I though that were possible in just one row |
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| 16:34.01 | CrocoJet | exist wallpapoz package for debian ? |
| 16:34.03 | peterpan | jelly: that is possible? |
| 16:34.08 | jelly | peterpan: I'd do it with if echo "$1"|grep -q r && echo "$2"|grep -r u; ... there's probably a way to do it with bash builtins, but I know not of one |
| 16:34.27 | jelly | peterpan: try #bash for a better solution |
| 16:34.36 | CrocoJet | how I do "chkconfig --list" in debian ? |
| 16:34.48 | jelly | CrocoJet: what does it do? |
| 16:34.59 | peterpan | what is this command? |
| 16:35.05 | CrocoJet | wallpapoz change wallpaper each x minutes |
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| 16:35.23 | CrocoJet | chkconfig --list (list all services if on or off) |
| 16:36.00 | CrocoJet | I can set up or down one service |
| 16:36.06 | peterpan | anyway this solution worked |
| 16:36.17 | peterpan | thanks 1000, jelly |
| 16:36.18 | peterpan | byez |
| 16:36.27 | CrocoJet | for example: sshd, httpd |
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| 16:41.12 | Capn_Fish | When using dpkg-buildpackage, how can I set specific configuration flags (ex, --disable-sound, --prefix=/whatever)? |
| 16:41.20 | ringo999 | hi, i just connected an external lcd monitor to the vga out on my laptop. the laptop is mirrored, but the resolution on the external monitor is wrong. how to get the resolution right and how to get extended desktop? |
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| 16:44.40 | cahoot | ringo999: xrandr --output VGA --mode <your mode>? |
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| 16:45.35 | ringo999 | cahoot: i assume i have to install xrandr additionally |
| 16:45.37 | rif | Hi guys, I tried two (the beta and the daily one) debian installer netinst ia64 iso and it does not seems it is bootable |
| 16:45.44 | simonrvn | Capn_Fish: no. debian/rules is for that stuff. |
| 16:46.38 | rif | is it a known issue or is it the wrong iso for my cpu (I have a Intel Q9300) |
| 16:46.57 | rif | it should boot, though |
| 16:47.14 | simonrvn | !ia64 |
| 16:47.14 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 16:47.17 | wols | rif: you don't hav e a ia64 |
| 16:47.19 | simonrvn | no it won't. |
| 16:47.23 | CrocoJet | how can I disable these notification of updates ? |
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| 16:47.40 | wols | rif: get an amd64 iso of etch and install it, possibly a kmuto one |
| 16:47.43 | maligor | ringo999, is the external resolution larger than lcd? |
| 16:47.44 | wols | !tell rif about kmuto |
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| 16:47.47 | Capn_Fish | simonrvn: Thanks. |
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| 16:47.58 | Capn_Fish | I should have guessed it was one of those files |
| 16:48.14 | rif | wols: what is the kmuto one? |
| 16:48.17 | drwahl | i'm looking for a new video card to use on my debian desktop system. i plan on using Wine for gaming. anyone have any suggestions for some good cards for gaming under linux? (i'm thinking probably nvidia) |
| 16:48.22 | ringo999 | maligor: yeah |
| 16:48.35 | ringo999 | how can i figure out the native resolution of the external? |
| 16:49.34 | wols | !tell rif about kmuto |
| 16:49.42 | maligor | ringo999, it's a lcd? |
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| 16:49.51 | wols | drkwolf: nvidia |
| 16:50.00 | wols | drwahl: nvidia based |
| 16:50.01 | drwahl | i assume that was for me :) |
| 16:50.48 | drwahl | are all the nvidia cards supported currently? i'm conserned that if i get 'too' new of a card (like the 9600GT) it might not have much driver support under linux/debian |
| 16:50.49 | wols | which card depends on what you want to do and how much to spend |
| 16:51.03 | rif | thank you wols |
| 16:51.05 | wols | yes they are. very few in etch but you can always backport the drivers |
| 16:51.14 | drwahl | meh, i'm using lenny/sid |
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| 16:51.31 | drwahl | its just a desktop system that can be blown away at any time if something goes wrong :) |
| 16:51.31 | wols | anything past 8800gts (old version!) is not supported. absically none you can currently buy is supported by etch directly. but with drivers from sid, all are |
| 16:51.54 | drwahl | and the drivers support 3d rendering/dri? |
| 16:51.57 | drwahl | the free drivers that is |
| 16:52.02 | wols | no |
| 16:52.05 | drwahl | ah, ok |
| 16:52.10 | wols | no free drivers support 3D under nvidia cards |
| 16:52.11 | drwahl | i would need the nvidia drivers then? |
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| 16:52.14 | wols | yes |
| 16:53.00 | ringo999 | how do i know what display my external screen is on? id like to use the xrandr -q option to figure out what calibration options there are |
| 16:53.22 | wols | ringo999: Xorg.0.log should tell you |
| 16:53.28 | drwahl | ok, that is the info i was looking for. i thought for some reason that i got 3d rendering working with some free driver for my current nvidia card. maybe it was just a dream.... |
| 16:53.58 | wols | it was. there is sme development with a driver for ati |
| 16:54.15 | wols | but: ati cards are slower generally than nvidia ones. worse drivers for opengl |
| 16:54.33 | wols | hardware is currently slower too |
| 16:54.48 | drwahl | good to know. now, where to get the money for the new card... anyone wanna buy some drugs? :) j/k |
| 16:55.26 | wols | drwahl: sell geekprr0n here. much bigger market |
| 16:55.42 | drwahl | rofl. i'll take your word for that :) |
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| 16:56.36 | maligor | wols, yeah, but they play the good hardware vendor now |
| 16:56.51 | dabreegster | If I want to install debian to a huge external usb drive, what do I need to change? I tried with the d-i last night and felt successful till grub couldn't boot from mbr of the usb drive. |
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| 16:57.50 | ringo999 | wols: i check in Xorg.0.log its talks about pipes... what expression am I exactly looking for? |
| 16:58.04 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: you generally need to be able to boot off of the usb drive |
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| 16:58.27 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: the bios supports that. grub loaded stage 1.5, then died with 'error 2' which is an issue reading a file. |
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| 17:03.18 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: hey; iceweasel in the experimental branch is installable but broken for me. For a bug, should I generally stick to the wishlist severity? I'm going to tag it experimental, but I'm not really sure if there's a point past which I'll just annoy folks |
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| 17:04.54 | ringo999 | im trying to use xrandr with my external screen via vga output on laptop. how can i figure out what my external screen supports, xrandr -q ...? |
| 17:05.09 | ggeecko | anyone here use debian as a server |
| 17:05.23 | xsdg | ggeecko: do you have a particular question? |
| 17:06.40 | ggeecko | xsdg: I have an old pIII that I wanna use as a gateway and nfs server |
| 17:06.55 | ggeecko | xsdg: and firewall |
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| 17:07.09 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
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| 17:08.53 | ggeecko | xsdg: is ram important for a gateway/router |
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| 17:09.44 | xsdg | ggeecko: not really |
| 17:10.09 | xsdg | ggeecko: it can be if you want to do any sort of caching or stuff like that, but if not, you should be fine with whatever |
| 17:10.55 | wols | ggeecko: 32-64MB is plenty |
| 17:10.59 | drkwolf | ggeecko: a pII/III with up to 256mo of ram is more than enough for small network of 5 to 10 machines |
| 17:11.52 | ggeecko | ok, I am working with just 64MB |
| 17:12.14 | jelly | ringo999: just "xrandr" should give you acceptable modes for each output |
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| 17:12.55 | ggeecko | do I have to edit the kernel to use iptables? |
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| 17:13.56 | ringo999 | jelly: but that only shows display options for my laptop, not the external screen :-( |
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| 17:15.10 | jelly | ringo999: hm, it shows both on my intel card, with randr-1.2 capable drivers on debian testing |
| 17:15.13 | ggeecko | am I the only person that get port scans.....geez |
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| 17:15.37 | jelly | ggeecko: just install iptables; kernel already has everything |
| 17:15.45 | ggeecko | jelly: thx |
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| 17:16.08 | fengor | what is the recommended way for full harddisk encryption for a dual boot system these days? Truecrypt? |
| 17:16.16 | wols | ggeecko: do you have any ports open that shouldn't be? |
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| 17:16.20 | eth01 | cdimage.* down? |
| 17:16.23 | eth01 | ah no. |
| 17:16.28 | wols | fengor: dm-ctypr IIRC |
| 17:16.37 | wols | fengor: debian installre supports it |
| 17:16.40 | jelly | ringo999: if you're using etch, I have no idea... older xrandr there |
| 17:16.42 | oich | what is a technical term for protocols such as SMTP, BEEP, HTTP, as opposed to IP, TCP etc.? |
| 17:17.00 | eth01 | oich: osi model |
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| 17:17.05 | wols | oich:application layer protocol |
| 17:17.07 | fengor | wols but that wont ecrypt the windows partition and the recovery partition or am i warong? |
| 17:17.14 | ggeecko | wols: my security is decent says grc.com |
| 17:17.16 | wols | fengor: no |
| 17:17.26 | ringo999 | jelly: i still have xrandr 1.1, im running stable |
| 17:17.44 | wols | truecrypt is the only cross platform encryption. and you encrypt not disks but partitons even with truecrypt |
| 17:17.44 | oich | thanks |
| 17:17.59 | wols | oich: we're not for your homework btw |
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| 17:18.57 | Katty | homework? |
| 17:19.00 | Katty | people still do homework? |
| 17:19.54 | maligor | Only in the darkest parts of africa |
| 17:19.56 | mot_ | all the way up through your doctorate, sure. |
| 17:20.00 | oich | it's not for homework actually so rest assured |
| 17:20.11 | mot_ | and yea the 7-layer OSI model |
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| 17:20.20 | Katty | i never learned it |
| 17:20.27 | Katty | i found it a waste of time, unless troubleshooting networks |
| 17:20.31 | mot_ | however we don't actually use the 7-layer OSI model |
| 17:20.35 | Katty | indeed |
| 17:20.41 | mot_ | we use like 4 of the layers |
| 17:20.42 | jcm | hi, running etch/2.6.18 on a KT7-RAID mainboard, i'm trying to make a Seagate SATAII hd work via a Promise SATA 300 TX2plus (sata_promise). I get disabled status after ata1.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4). |
| 17:20.44 | Katty | swap network equipment ;) |
| 17:21.02 | Katty | btw, has anyone ever seen an eth card get a new number everytime you reboot? |
| 17:21.04 | Katty | i'm up to eth6 now |
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| 17:21.25 | mot_ | nope, sounds like a mis-conf in your system |
| 17:21.37 | ringo999 | how can i find out what name my intel driver uses for the external monitor, i.e. xrandr --output vga --off doesnt work... |
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| 17:21.56 | adama | hobbit-client: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is installed - apt-get upgrade etc. does nothing |
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| 17:26.31 | zkline | For some reason, whenever I boot my custom kernel, I have to press enter at some point in the process. It doesn't seem to continue until I do that. |
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| 17:27.11 | tomfmason | anyone have any idea why gparted would have ntfs greyed out? |
| 17:27.57 | zkline | Because parted doesn't support NTFS natively, I think. |
| 17:28.51 | mimcpher | You need ntfsprogs to use ntfs in gparted |
| 17:29.25 | knoxyy | the courier-maildrop in lenny have a MySQL suppport? |
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| 17:30.13 | tomfmason | mimcpher thanks |
| 17:31.06 | eth01 | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ is this the LATEST available? |
| 17:31.31 | eth01 | if so, it seems rather out-of-date. |
| 17:32.31 | peleg | do you know of a text editor with autoreplace? that is, a text editor that I will configure, that will know to replace any string like \alpha, while I type it (or after a tab/space), with an α |
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| 17:32.59 | peleg | I know that xchat does it... so it is probably not that complicated. |
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| 17:34.58 | zkline | As far as text editors go, I'm a Vim person: it'll do the sort of replacement you want. Emacs will do it too, I'm sure. |
| 17:35.40 | dondelelcaro | yeah, emacs will too; though generally you just do that sort of thing using mule in emacs, rather than auto-replacement |
| 17:35.41 | peleg | zkline: really? emacs knows how to do it? I'll check... :-) - I can't stand vim, really. I am a nano person... |
| 17:35.52 | bmr | peleg, you're looking for "macro" support - any "real" editor should be able to do that for you |
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| 17:36.19 | peleg | bmr: like what? nano does not know how to do it, it seems |
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| 17:36.31 | vxd2 | how can i see when a new user account was added? |
| 17:36.32 | dondelelcaro | peleg: nano isn't a full-fledged editor |
| 17:36.37 | Shiba | I'm looking for Debian ppc32 install images |
| 17:36.42 | peleg | probably I can PROGRAM a macro, but it is an integral part of the software |
| 17:36.44 | dondelelcaro | vxd2: you can guess, but you can't really tell for certain |
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| 17:36.54 | vxd2 | how can i see the last changed files ? |
| 17:36.55 | Shiba | I have a 64-bit PPC G5 mac, but require a 32-bit kernel and userspace |
| 17:37.02 | dondelelcaro | vxd2: stat or ls -l; |
| 17:37.07 | Shiba | how can I install this? |
| 17:37.15 | dondelelcaro | Shiba: just install the powerpc port. |
| 17:37.19 | wols | Shiba: go get debian ppc |
| 17:37.25 | peleg | does anyone know how to add such a macro to scite for example? (scite IS a full editor...) |
| 17:37.33 | vxd2 | dondelelcaro: on the whole fs |
| 17:37.45 | dondelelcaro | vxd2: so stat the whole filesystem |
| 17:37.48 | Shiba | ok. I can do that. but every powerpc distro that I've fetched to this point is 64-bit |
| 17:37.49 | frog | Failed to initialize wxWidgets. hi, anyone coould help me with this error?it appear when i try to plot something with gnuplot. i can not plot any more at all... i only get that msg |
| 17:38.00 | Shiba | is there a specific image I need to download to get 32-bit? |
| 17:38.01 | bmr | peleg, vi/vim, emacs, gedit (via the snippets plugin, I think), ... |
| 17:38.15 | peleg | bmr: thanks |
| 17:38.19 | bmr | peleg, I'm reading the nano manual now but it doesn't appear to have support for anything like this |
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| 17:38.49 | Debianz | opera debian lenny problem with flash plugin |
| 17:39.04 | Shiba | dondelelcaro: I've already downloaded 4 or 5 different distros trying to find a 32-bit installer. Which image should I download to get a 32-bit (and not 64-bit) install? |
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| 17:40.10 | dondelelcaro | Shiba: the powerpc install is 32 bit, not 64 bit. |
| 17:40.11 | peleg | scite have this, I am sure; but I never figured out how to use it. |
| 17:40.17 | peleg | (with tabs/spaces) |
| 17:40.21 | Shiba | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 17:40.32 | peleg | I can make it with pressing keys like F9, but that's not good enough.. |
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| 17:40.48 | peleg | gedit does the job, it seems. |
| 17:40.56 | peleg | (hate gedit :-) ) |
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| 17:41.32 | juniorsa | Hi, I am trying to install a freeradius deb file that I downloaded onto a etch i386 xen machine, when I try and dpkg -i freeradius_2.0.4-2_i386.deb I get that it requires libc6 >=2.7-1 however 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is installed any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 17:42.15 | NinjaMan | I having a problem with fwanalog not produce a full days html report - has anyone else experienced this? |
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| 17:42.43 | SoulChild | Hi all, can someone do me a favour and give me the output of "dpkg -S update-menus" please ? |
| 17:43.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell SoulChild -about search |
| 17:43.39 | dondelelcaro | !+find update-menus |
| 17:43.41 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 17:44.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-menus' (2): (/usr/bin/update-menus) in admin/menu ;; (/usr/sbin/cdd-update-menus, /usr/share/cdd/cdd-update-menus) in misc/cdd-common. |
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| 17:47.48 | trifler | I want to use my server as an alarm clock at a certain time of the day it should start plying some kind of sound (an mp3, radio station) any ideas who one could solve that? |
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| 17:47.53 | matteo | hi all |
| 17:48.03 | matteo | is lenny cdebootstrat known to be broken? |
| 17:48.03 | Shiba | which kernel does debian 4.0r3 use OOB? |
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| 17:49.59 | matteo | trifler: at 16:30 |
| 17:50.10 | matteo | mplayer RING.mp3 |
| 17:50.15 | matteo | ^D |
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| 17:58.30 | ampex2 | is it possible to give someone ssh access to a box ONLY for the purpose of forwarding a port? not giving them the ability to get a shell and issue remote commands? |
| 17:58.53 | trifler | matteo: ty |
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| 18:01.04 | Demosthenes | ampex2: you could tie the key to a command ie: cat > /dev/null |
| 18:01.06 | drwahl | i vaguely recall in some knoppix or redhat distro that while the computer is doing all of its service startups and initializations, there is a nice looking gui with some background image and the text is spewing in a console that is not full screened. is there a package in debian that makes the startup proces a little 'prettier'? |
| 18:01.16 | Demosthenes | ampex2: you can specify a command tied to a key (ie: for remote backup) |
| 18:01.29 | Demosthenes | ampex2: ports are open for the duration of the connection |
| 18:01.44 | YeTr2 | ampex2: set their shell to /bin/false and have them ssh -Nn ? |
| 18:01.49 | trifler | Erm what do I type in ftp to "get" a whole directory and the dir itself has spacing the filename? |
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| 18:02.04 | trifler | spacing in the filename* |
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| 18:02.26 | halflife08 | trifler: mget ? |
| 18:03.51 | mbroeker | I have a problem with hal+kde on Lenny: I want to eject my cdrom and it cannot be ejected with a click because /usr/bin/eject has chmod 750. I can change it regularly, but every update of the package restores the "wrong" settings. How can i fix that ( i am aware of the temporarly fix chmod 755 /usr/bin/eject...) |
| 18:04.03 | juniorsa | Hi, I am trying to install a freeradius deb file that I downloaded onto a etch i386 xen machine, when I try and dpkg -i freeradius_2.0.4-2_i386.deb I get that it requires libc6 >=2.7-1 however 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 is installed any help would be greatly appreciated - 2nd try |
| 18:04.20 | trifler | halflife08: Directory not found :( |
| 18:04.40 | trifler | halflife08: And i use "" around the directory name |
| 18:05.24 | drwahl | juniorsa: update your libc6 to a version that is equal to or greater than 2.7-1 |
| 18:05.53 | drwahl | juniorsa: hold on to that thought... a newer package may not be in etch |
| 18:06.15 | juniorsa | drwahl: right that's what I thought, any ideas on how to update it? |
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| 18:06.49 | ringo999 | how "dangerous" is it to go from etch to testing? |
| 18:07.00 | dondelelcaro | ringo999: depends on you and what you're doing |
| 18:07.08 | halflife08 | ringo999: depends on the server |
| 18:07.18 | ringo999 | dondelelcaro: no server, just basic system |
| 18:07.19 | drwahl | juniorsa: well, you can always use a newer release, but there are considerations you have to make when making that decision |
| 18:07.22 | halflife08 | ringo999: and what you are doing doing with it |
| 18:07.51 | drwahl | juniorsa: watch this chat here aobut how ringo999 wants to upgrade to testing. should be fairly relavent to your situation as well |
| 18:07.57 | ringo999 | no special services, mostly office work |
| 18:07.58 | halflife08 | trifler: usually spaces are escaped by \ |
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| 18:08.18 | dondelelcaro | ringo999: unless you have a real reason to upgrade, I'd just stick with etch. |
| 18:08.23 | trifler | halflife08: so file\name\is\this ? |
| 18:08.25 | ringo999 | i want to use xrandr but in stable its only version 1.1 and i think I need 1.2 for it to work |
| 18:08.27 | juniorsa | drwahl: thanks |
| 18:08.42 | halflife08 | trifler: file\ name\ is\ this |
| 18:08.47 | dondelelcaro | ringo999: xrandr in stable works too, but what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:08.59 | ringo999 | external monitor on laptop vga output |
| 18:09.08 | ringo999 | xrandar wont find external monitor |
| 18:09.18 | ringo999 | i guess I have to edit xorg.conf? |
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| 18:09.56 | Lethalman | hello |
| 18:10.06 | Lethalman | i've installed the sparc toolchain from emdebian |
| 18:10.14 | Lethalman | i compiled a very simple program in C with it |
| 18:10.26 | Lethalman | file and readelf say it's a 32-bit sparc big endian compiled program |
| 18:10.35 | dondelelcaro | ringo999: unfortunatly, it doesn't look like someone has backported it; the main problem with testing is that it changes, and things that were working for you may not work after you upgrade. |
| 18:10.38 | Lethalman | though qemu-sparc won't run it, even dynamically or statically linked |
| 18:10.49 | dondelelcaro | ringo999: you'll also have to keep up with testing for security updates, etc. |
| 18:10.50 | Lethalman | the error is: Error loading ./test |
| 18:11.09 | Lethalman | i tried to pass different values for the -L option but had no luck |
| 18:11.13 | Lethalman | any hints? |
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| 18:11.42 | trifler | halflife08: Still dosen't work it gives me a new line with every File inside the remote directory which I assume I should answer with "y" then it says local: dir/file: No such file or dir |
| 18:11.44 | ringo999 | dondelelcaro: alright, i stick with etch then |
| 18:11.57 | ringo999 | just wished i could fix the external monitor resolution |
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| 18:13.49 | adinc | hello, aptitude install awstats gives me "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the clamav-daemon package." what does this mean? this is new, it used to work very well in the past. |
| 18:15.13 | halflife08 | trifler: hmmn, i have no more ideas |
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| 18:16.25 | trifler | halflife08: I used mget * and it worked just a tad strange. |
| 18:16.47 | dondelelcaro | ringo999: yeah; that you can do using xorg.conf; someone may backport the new version of X too. |
| 18:17.10 | dondelelcaro | adinc: reinstall the clamav-daemon package, and it'll probably be ok. |
| 18:17.24 | dondelelcaro | adinc: most likely that means that /var/lib/dpkg/info/clamav-daemon.list disapeared |
| 18:18.23 | adinc | dondelelcaro: i see |
| 18:18.29 | adinc | how can this happen? |
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| 18:19.42 | dondelelcaro | adinc: corruption, dpkg died, etc. |
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| 18:21.24 | helo | anyone encounter a linux virus? |
| 18:21.44 | wols | no. thereis one or two /rather a worm I think) in the wild, or was |
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| 18:22.31 | helo | ahh, that is for email attachment scanning ;) |
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| 18:24.48 | wols | it's also a windows virus scanner |
| 18:24.54 | wols | works as normal scanner on windows |
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| 18:28.39 | trifler | I'm sorry im new to linux. But playing music in cli-mode is something that works? |
| 18:28.45 | dondelelcaro | trifler: yes |
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| 18:29.27 | trifler | dondelelcaro: What should I look for in order to make it work? dsp and mplayer? |
| 18:30.16 | eth01 | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ is this the LATEST available? |
| 18:31.39 | mimcpher | I've got a Sony Vaio TZ with intel 4965 wifi. The wifi LED on the front of the computer doesn't come on ... Is there anything I can do about this? |
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| 18:32.32 | dondelelcaro | eth01: of etch, yes. |
| 18:32.42 | drwahl | i vaguely recall in some knoppix or redhat distro that while the computer is doing all of its service startups and initializations, there is a nice looking gui with some background image and the text is spewing in a console that is not full screened. is there a package in debian that makes the startup proces a little 'prettier'? |
| 18:33.18 | simonrvn | usplash, splashy, ... |
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| 18:33.33 | mimcpher | drwahl, look at splashy |
| 18:33.49 | ponyofdeath | anyone know where the wirte cache setting is located in proc or sys? |
| 18:33.58 | eth01 | dondelelcaro: they seem like they need an update? |
| 18:34.13 | dondelelcaro | eth01: for what? |
| 18:34.39 | trifler | module-assistant is what? :S |
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| 18:35.24 | eth01 | dondelelcaro: in general tbh |
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| 18:37.03 | dondelelcaro | eth01: we don't update the stable release outside of security updates (and fixes to bad bugs); we'll make a new release in less than a year, though. |
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| 18:37.59 | drwahl | mimcpher: great, thanks |
| 18:38.08 | Katty | anyone know how to do link a .sh in crontab? |
| 18:38.41 | Katty | 30 8 * * * foo.sh >> log |
| 18:38.48 | Katty | just like that? |
| 18:38.51 | cusco | what do you mean link |
| 18:38.54 | cusco | yes |
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| 18:39.34 | Katty | lemme make sure i've got this setup right |
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| 18:39.44 | Katty | i want this backup to run every wednesday at 9:00am |
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| 18:40.25 | Katty | 0 9 * * 1-5 /path/to/backup.sh > /path/to/log.file |
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| 18:42.55 | adama | Katty: 0 9 * * wed /path/to/backup.sh >> /path/to/log.file |
| 18:43.01 | adama | is probably more like what you want |
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| 18:44.12 | Katty | oh right |
| 18:44.17 | Katty | cause 1-5 would be each weekday |
| 18:44.25 | adama | yeah |
| 18:45.00 | adama | I always use the day names cause I can't keep track of what number is what day |
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| 18:45.08 | adama | e.g. 50 12 * * mon-thu /home/adama/legaudio/cronjob.sh |
| 18:45.15 | Gemeos | hi |
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| 18:54.15 | trifler | playing .flac in mplayer with alsa sounds like crap. Possible ideas what could be wrong? |
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| 18:57.32 | valdyn | trifler: why do you mention the sound file format ( ".flac" ) ? |
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| 18:58.09 | Demosthenes | valdyn: perhaps because it requires the FLAC codec? |
| 18:58.44 | jair | Guys, I am trying to set up an NTP server for my data center, and based on the new technologies, can I make a virtual machine my NTP server? |
| 18:58.50 | valdyn | Demosthenes: i bet the file format is irrelevant to his sound quality, that is why i asked |
| 18:59.04 | Demosthenes | jair: i wouldn't |
| 18:59.04 | trifler | valdyn: Becasue that is what im trying to play and it dosen't sound any good. It "skips" frames or how I should put it. |
| 18:59.12 | Demosthenes | jair: i have real problems with clock drift on VM's |
| 18:59.17 | Demosthenes | jair: due to software clocks |
| 18:59.18 | valdyn | trifler: do mp3 files sound better? |
| 18:59.28 | trifler | valdyn: Good question :) |
| 18:59.31 | trifler | lemme check |
| 18:59.35 | Demosthenes | jair: grab an NTP appliance, or subscribe to an outside NTP source |
| 19:00.07 | Demosthenes | jair: or maybe a 1U server w/ a GPS ntp modem thing. then again, just get an appliance. ;] |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn | trifler: sometimes alsa and your sound hardware disagree on supported sample rates, which can produce skips and is entirely unrelated to whatever you use for playing back |
| 19:01.05 | trifler | valdyn: Mp3s sounds just fine btw. |
| 19:01.23 | valdyn | trifler: what about a different flac file? |
| 19:01.50 | Demosthenes | http://www.truetime.net/timevault.html |
| 19:03.14 | jair | Demosthenes: Thank you very much |
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| 19:03.20 | jair | Demosthenes: that makes sense |
| 19:03.34 | valdyn | jair: why would you use a virtual machine for this? |
| 19:03.48 | valdyn | jair: ( instead of running ntpd on whatever server you already have ) |
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| 19:05.03 | Demosthenes | valdyn: he wants a central ntp source, needs a good time source, though yes any server could be ntp server... |
| 19:05.20 | Demosthenes | valdyn: gps has options to be a time source, and there are appliances that can do both |
| 19:05.29 | trifler | valdyn: Sounds just fine. The thing about this .flac is that I ripped the whole cd into one big file. |
| 19:05.52 | valdyn | trifler: so that flac is broken |
| 19:06.24 | valdyn | trifler: i assume it just contains those "skips", and mplayer is just playing what it gets |
| 19:06.27 | trifler | valdyn: It sounds fine on my workstation (using windowsm and foobar2k) |
| 19:06.36 | valdyn | trifler: ah |
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| 19:07.15 | valdyn | trifler: so mplayer cant play just that specific file? |
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| 19:07.27 | CrackZmoQ | can someone tell me why i can get audio when playing a file in xmms but no audio in firefox when playing a video from youtube? |
| 19:07.45 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: on which debian release? |
| 19:07.52 | CrackZmoQ | valdyn: etch |
| 19:07.54 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: and architecture? |
| 19:08.00 | CrackZmoQ | x86 |
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| 19:09.57 | DynV | cdparanoia gives the error Unable to open disc and I think it's because it's not the right drive, someone know how I can get it to work ? |
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| 19:10.13 | trifler | valdyn: This is the output I get http://pastie.caboo.se/205544 |
| 19:11.20 | valdyn | trifler: so mplayer is complaining that the file is broken "flac @ 0x87ff9bc]FRAME HEADER not here" |
| 19:12.31 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: could be an issue of two programs trying to use /dev/dsp at a time |
| 19:12.55 | trifler | valdyn: Hmm anyother cli-based player that handle .flac that would be a little more forgiving? |
| 19:13.33 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: /dev/dsp is a way outdated method of outputting sound. Xmms can be configured to use alsa straight, flash is junk and cant really use alsa |
| 19:14.04 | dondelelcaro | that's why you should use gnash. |
| 19:14.31 | CrackZmoQ | valdyn: would you happen to know how it works on other linux flavors? |
| 19:14.51 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: this has nothign to do with linux flavours |
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| 19:15.25 | wald0 | when lenny is released "stable" ? is there any date ? september ? |
| 19:15.31 | CrackZmoQ | true enough but why does audio from xmms and audio from a browser on fedora, for example, work? |
| 19:15.45 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: it may "work" on any system but that is more coincidence than a feature because getting flash to have sound requires just that no other app is blocking /dev/dsp at the same time |
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| 19:17.08 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: flashs sound can be redirected by preloading a library, to alsa, to pulseaudio, to esd, to whatever |
| 19:17.15 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: i dont know what fedora does |
| 19:17.26 | CrackZmoQ | ok |
| 19:17.53 | CrackZmoQ | which library? |
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| 19:18.04 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: you could edit /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
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| 19:18.15 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: possible values are uh, i dont remember |
| 19:18.40 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: but thats useless as long as xmms is blocking /dev/dsp |
| 19:19.06 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: so set xmms to use alsa or pulseaudio or whatever |
| 19:19.17 | CrackZmoQ | it is using alsa actually |
| 19:19.27 | \amethyst | CrackZmoQ: then you can set up also to use dmix |
| 19:19.30 | \amethyst | !dmix |
| 19:19.30 | dpkg | [dmix] an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 19:19.58 | \amethyst | CrackZmoQ: I use that, and in my /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc: ICEWEASEL_DSP="aoss" |
| 19:20.16 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: read /etc/iceweasel/README.Debian |
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| 19:20.26 | CrackZmoQ | thank you |
| 19:21.03 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: alsa will permit sharing between apps if either dmix is enabled or your hardware supports it directly |
| 19:21.04 | \amethyst | that is /usr/share/doc/iceweasel/README.Debian |
| 19:21.13 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:21.16 | valdyn | right! |
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| 19:22.10 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: now in your case xmms might be using alsa with no hardware mixing support and no dmix, which in turn will block /dev/dsp, which is needed by flash |
| 19:22.36 | valdyn | yea linux sound sucks |
| 19:23.38 | CrackZmoQ | hah |
| 19:23.47 | CrackZmoQ | only on debian apparently |
| 19:23.49 | CrackZmoQ | :( |
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| 19:23.59 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: no, not really |
| 19:24.00 | rmop | hi all |
| 19:24.08 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: debian is just bad with default configuration |
| 19:24.26 | CrackZmoQ | ah |
| 19:24.29 | Katty | so i'm doing du -ha |
| 19:24.31 | CrackZmoQ | is there a config tool |
| 19:24.35 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: do something fedora cant setup, like install skype or try this fancy pulseaudio, and you will be in the same trouble again |
| 19:24.37 | Katty | but i want to see how many files are in this directory |
| 19:24.40 | Katty | anyone know a way to do that? |
| 19:24.43 | Katty | du, ls, or something |
| 19:24.52 | Katty | it's like my brain won't work |
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| 19:25.39 | dondelelcaro | ls|wc -l; FE. |
| 19:25.48 | dondelelcaro | Katty: though it depends on exactly what you want to know |
| 19:25.55 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: theres no single tool, theres no way to get a decent sound setup for all the usual applications without some hackery |
| 19:26.02 | Katty | just regular file count of a directory |
| 19:26.04 | CrackZmoQ | ah, ok |
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| 19:26.13 | Katty | there are 20382394732 file in /moo/foo/stuff/ |
| 19:26.14 | leifdk1978 | hmm ups |
| 19:27.05 | dondelelcaro | Katty: only files in the directory, not directories, links, etc? |
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| 19:27.56 | Cyan20 | anyone knows where i can download dkms package? i can't find it at packages.debian.org |
| 19:28.06 | Katty | dondelelcaro: yeah, straight up files |
| 19:28.25 | Katty | dondelelcaro: find /moo/foo/ -type f | wc |
| 19:28.29 | valdyn | CrackZmoQ: flash + skype are what makes this hard, they use a sound system that has been deprecated for 5 years or so |
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| 19:29.08 | dondelelcaro | Katty: then you want find /moo/foo -type f -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 |wc -l; or similar |
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| 19:29.32 | CrackZmoQ | valdyn: awesome |
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| 19:31.50 | jair | valdyn: Demosthenes There are a couple of things I will need to consider |
| 19:32.02 | DynV | cdparanoia gives the error Unable to open disc and it's because it points to the first drive, how I can get it to work on another ? |
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| 19:32.48 | valdyn | DynV: cdparanoia -d /dev/<whatever> |
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| 19:32.58 | DynV | valdyn: ty |
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| 19:35.06 | ninjaslim | i've migrated to sid, is it still a good idea to have the testing repositories and such available |
| 19:35.26 | ninjaslim | and the etch ones |
| 19:35.50 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 19:35.50 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
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| 19:37.09 | billybongo | anyone know where I can find a prozilla .deb for stable, or know of another accelerated downloader that works for large files? (5GB) |
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| 19:37.43 | jair | valdyn: Demosthenes, I have a good number of servers including ESX servers, but the netwok I have does not allow UDP or ports other than 80 open to the internet. |
| 19:37.43 | extor | How do I zap my history from the shell prompt? |
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| 19:38.15 | pumpkin0 | extor: rm .bash_history |
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| 19:38.35 | pumpkin0 | extor: rm ~/.bash_history |
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| 19:38.47 | pawbie | Could anyone steer me in the right direction for figuring out how to build GTK+ apps in Linux for Windows? |
| 19:38.56 | extor | hrmm no other way like just going "echo /dev/null > history" or something? |
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| 19:40.27 | pumpkin0 | extor: you can fill the history with stuff. Or remove the lines you don't like from .bash_history... |
| 19:40.29 | vasser | anyone here on ##linux as well ? |
| 19:40.35 | vasser | i have posted a question there |
| 19:40.37 | ninjaslim | me too |
| 19:40.41 | wald0 | when lenny would be released ? |
| 19:40.46 | ninjaslim | well i mean i am on ##linux |
| 19:40.48 | bl0w | extor export HISTFILE=/dev/null |
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| 19:40.59 | pumpkin0 | wald0: about 6months ago. |
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| 19:41.07 | extor | and if I wanna increase the buffer from 500 to 5000 lines? Something like... the ~/.profile would have that setting? |
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| 19:41.36 | jair | valdyn: Demosthenes so i am trying to set up an ntp server, that does not connect to the outside, but that all the servers in the data center connect to, that way i just need to worry about change the clock in one server. |
| 19:41.38 | wald0 | 6 month's ago ? :/ |
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| 19:41.50 | trifler | ty for the help now I have a working alarmclock :) |
| 19:41.58 | bl0w | extor check for enviromment variable for it |
| 19:41.59 | trifler | Now I just need speakers :) |
| 19:42.02 | bl0w | extor try set|more |
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| 19:42.39 | ivank | is it possible to compile only a single kernel modules from linux-source, or do i have to compile the whole thing? |
| 19:42.42 | vasser | i will repeat the question in here as well: |
| 19:42.43 | vasser | i have an old comp with 4 network cards, 2 of which are ISA but only one was detected by linux, i have tried "modprobe <driver>" using the exact model, but i still cannot see it under "ifconfig -a" |
| 19:43.02 | ryoshu_ | I have installed new debian, the lenny version. I have no "wlan0" device, i have installed ndiswrapper, modprobe-d, hardware is found, packages installed. help? |
| 19:43.23 | ryoshu_ | ndiswrapper -m is already typed too |
| 19:43.33 | ryoshu_ | and computer restarted a dozen of times |
| 19:43.35 | Pawbie_ | ivank: make modules modules-install |
| 19:43.45 | vasser | is there an ISA equal command as "lspci" ? |
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| 19:44.03 | ryoshu_ | please help. |
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| 19:44.12 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:44.14 | Ace2016 | i need help |
| 19:44.16 | Ace2016 | my raid is resyncing |
| 19:44.21 | Ace2016 | i need to know which disk just screwed up? |
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| 19:44.31 | Ace2016 | *ignore that question mark" |
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| 19:45.04 | ivank | Pawbie_: there are a lot of modules though, can i just build one, or a subset? |
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| 19:45.12 | Ace2016 | is it ok to open programs while its syncing? |
| 19:45.13 | flokuehn | jo |
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| 19:45.46 | Ace2016 | thankfully its only the root partition |
| 19:45.52 | grand_grunt | how should I install nspluginwrapper? it seems not to be available on Etch o-O |
| 19:46.22 | Ace2016 | i would have been scared s***less if it was the encrypted pair |
| 19:46.57 | valdyn | vasser: no |
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| 19:47.07 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: cat /proc/mdstat will tell you |
| 19:47.14 | Ace2016 | i did |
| 19:47.25 | Ace2016 | and i did mdadm --detail |
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| 19:47.48 | valdyn | vasser: isa is not plug & play, you get configuration on your hardware documentation, it cannot be scanned like lspci |
| 19:48.15 | vasser | valdyn: then how can i know which module to load ? (the right one does not enable the device) |
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| 19:48.28 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.31 | valdyn | vasser: only by reading the docs |
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| 19:49.14 | ryoshu_ | what do you think about anarchy? |
| 19:49.18 | ryoshu_ | mischannel |
| 19:49.56 | Ace2016 | its bad |
| 19:50.05 | vasser | valdyn: the device is 3c509b, i probed 3c509 with no luck, any ideas ? |
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| 19:50.18 | HaCk_BuRn | hi |
| 19:50.27 | Ace2016 | hello |
| 19:50.29 | valdyn | vasser: you likely need to specifiy irq and io port |
| 19:50.39 | valdyn | vasser: read the damn docs |
| 19:50.51 | ninjaslim | is it ok to have multiple repos for sid if that's all you're running |
| 19:51.09 | valdyn | vasser: hardware docs to get the values, driver docs to get the way to specify those |
| 19:51.41 | valdyn | !isapnptools |
| 19:51.41 | dpkg | methinks isapnptools is a package previously used to configure ISA plug-and-play (PnP) devices, only useful for kernels < 2.4. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #318359. |
| 19:51.53 | valdyn | ah |
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| 19:52.03 | valdyn | i have no idea what replaces it on 2.6 |
| 19:52.17 | billybongo | don't even go there |
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| 19:52.25 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:52.28 | Dynos | hi, i want to make a deb package for ubuntu and debian based systems |
| 19:52.32 | jelly-home | vasser: and look at the jumpers settings on the card to find out current settings, in case it's not isapnp capable |
| 19:52.33 | valdyn | vasser: isapnp is a hackery on top of isa to get some kind of pnp, however the device needs to support that. |
| 19:52.54 | Dynos | how can i ajust this in the control file? Depends: python (>=2.5.1-1ubuntu2) |
| 19:53.09 | valdyn | vasser: what can be the reason to use isa at all though? |
| 19:53.11 | streuner | Dynos: #ubuntu |
| 19:53.22 | halflife08 | Dynos: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ for debian |
| 19:53.24 | valdyn | vasser: hardware >> isa stuff is thrown away plenty |
| 19:53.30 | Dynos | halflife08: thx |
| 19:53.34 | billybongo | vasser: I used to have a few of these cards, I think they default to a particular port setting |
| 19:53.43 | DexterF | how do I enable clone mode on a radeon x800? |
| 19:54.03 | billybongo | vasser: can you not afford a PCI card? |
| 19:54.29 | vasser | billybongo: i said there are 4 cards, 2 of which are ISA |
| 19:54.38 | vasser | the other 2 are PCI, and working |
| 19:54.45 | vasser | (also one of the ISA cards) |
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| 19:55.27 | billybongo | vasser do you really need 3+ network cards in a machine? If you do I bet you want them all to be pci |
| 19:55.45 | billybongo | 3c509 is a 10baseT thing |
| 19:56.02 | vasser | its just a thing i set myself to do, i doubt i will find use for that comp |
| 19:56.17 | billybongo | it's not worth doing in that case - enjoy that fact that ISA is dead |
| 19:56.26 | Demosthenes | billybongo: sometimes ports are more important than speed ;] |
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| 19:56.49 | billybongo | Demosthenes: I can't think of any important use for something that old |
| 19:57.05 | linux2 | anyone know what package contains libtinyxml.so? |
| 19:57.13 | DexterF | !pdo |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 19:58.05 | Stavros | hello |
| 19:58.11 | Stavros | how can i get the latest kernel installed on my machine? |
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| 19:58.22 | Stavros | i mean even later than .18 |
| 19:58.39 | halflife08 | Stavros: www.kernel.org, kernel-package to compile debian way |
| 19:58.44 | Stavros | ah, thanks |
| 19:58.54 | Stavros | any recentish repositories? |
| 19:59.08 | halflife08 | Stavros: and be assured you will get no support when come here for custom kernels |
| 19:59.17 | Stavros | it's ok |
| 20:00.00 | linux2 | does anyone know how I can search package contents without going on the web? possibly using apt? |
| 20:00.07 | halflife08 | Stavros: if you using etch, you can look forward to etch and half, otherwise testing/unstable are the only other repos |
| 20:00.17 | halflife08 | linux2: apt-file |
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| 20:00.58 | Stavros | halflife08: yes, i'm using etch... hmm, i want to install something past 21, i'm guessing the unstable ones are much past it? |
| 20:01.28 | halflife08 | Stavros: testing 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:01.34 | Stavros | ah, thanks |
| 20:01.59 | Stavros | halflife08: any idea where i can find the repository lines for that? |
| 20:02.34 | jelly-home | Stavros: there's 2.6.24 in etch-proposed-updates and likely to be included in the next point release for etch |
| 20:02.49 | jelly-home | !tell Stavros -about etchnhalf |
| 20:02.50 | halflife08 | Stavros: /etc/apt/sources.list , use lenny/testing in the source lines. |
| 20:02.52 | Stavros | jelly: hmm, how long is that going to be? |
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| 20:02.56 | Stavros | oh thanks |
| 20:02.58 | jelly-home | halflife08: that's a bad idea |
| 20:03.02 | Stavros | should i use etch/testing? |
| 20:03.16 | idimmu | no |
| 20:03.21 | halflife08 | jelly-home: too upgrade from stable to testing ? |
| 20:03.23 | jelly-home | Stavros: do NOT mix releases unless you know what you're doing |
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| 20:03.51 | jelly-home | halflife08: that, and telling people to upgrade without warning of possible issues |
| 20:04.03 | halflife08 | jelly-home: aah yes, i am sorry , |
| 20:04.13 | Stavros | hmm i will add this proposed-updates thing |
| 20:04.53 | Stavros | ah, that still has 2.6.18 |
| 20:04.59 | halflife08 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.12 | jelly-home | halflife08: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 20:06.05 | linux2 | I cannot find a package that contains the file libtinyxml.so. any ideas? |
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| 20:08.00 | streuner | linux2: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:11.53 | Ramattack | Hi!! |
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| 20:12.15 | Ramattack | I have deleted a database from my server of 1,5 GB and the space doesn't seem to be refreshed in df -h |
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| 20:12.28 | Ramattack | but du -hs confirms it has been freed |
| 20:12.34 | Ramattack | how could be that? |
| 20:12.36 | rmop | hi all |
| 20:13.12 | petemc | Ramattack: is the database process still running? |
| 20:13.32 | Ramattack | yes but du -hs gives /var has 4,0GB |
| 20:13.38 | Ramattack | and df -h sais |
| 20:13.54 | petemc | kill the process, the space should be freed |
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| 20:14.01 | Ramattack | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.31 | Ramattack | and no internal mount points or so... |
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| 20:15.16 | Ramattack | but how could be this, the postmaster proccess doesn't inform to the kernel about the freed space? |
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| 20:17.56 | petemc | Ramattack: a process can keep a link to a file open after the file has been deleted |
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| 20:21.15 | Ramattack | ok :) |
| 20:21.49 | Ramattack | bye thanks!! |
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| 20:23.18 | toko123 | can I run 64m ran 500 mhz on the new debian? |
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| 20:23.50 | toko123 | I have 12 older machines win 98 |
| 20:24.02 | toko123 | that I want to linux distro? |
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| 20:24.31 | toko123 | linux user 8 years |
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| 20:25.00 | billybongo | I think you should manage that |
| 20:25.12 | dcsimon | DSL is a debian based system, it runs a very nice X interface with 50mb of ram |
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| 20:25.25 | toko123 | looking for expert recommendation |
| 20:25.47 | halflife08 | toko123: depends on what you want those systems to run |
| 20:26.09 | billybongo | yeah, do go installing kde or somethig |
| 20:26.15 | billybongo | s/do/don't |
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| 20:26.29 | dcsimon | or gnome for that matter |
| 20:26.33 | toko123 | email, office,pref OO and browser |
| 20:27.08 | billybongo | you have 12 machines? |
| 20:27.15 | billybongo | you want them all to work? |
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| 20:27.19 | toko123 | yes school district |
| 20:27.26 | toko123 | yep |
| 20:27.46 | billybongo | I would think about having some kind of distributed system |
| 20:28.02 | toko123 | and impress MS centric phbs |
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| 20:28.19 | billybongo | where the 12 machines just display the desktop via X11 |
| 20:28.21 | toko123 | no these are give aways to the community |
| 20:28.48 | billybongo | where are you where someone wants a 10 year old machine? ;-) |
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| 20:29.41 | billybongo | I would try a very basic debian install with xfce or fvwm |
| 20:30.10 | toko123 | billybongo: thanks |
| 20:30.17 | billybongo | the thing about windows98 is that it's fairly light compared to almost any new OS |
| 20:30.29 | billybongo | it doesn't have very much overhead inthe gui |
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| 20:30.45 | billybongo | so it's quite responsive on old hardware |
| 20:30.48 | toko123 | hence the low mem requirement |
| 20:30.59 | billybongo | whereas RAM is now cheap and everything else has grown |
| 20:31.21 | billybongo | what processors do they have? |
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| 20:31.30 | toko123 | well most of these machines have about 20gig of disk |
| 20:31.42 | toko123 | I'll give that a try |
| 20:31.45 | toko123 | thansk again |
| 20:31.48 | Suprano | hmm a console ftp client that allows transfer of folders? |
| 20:31.53 | billybongo | I think running any kind of office type program will be a challenge |
| 20:32.24 | jelly-home | Suprano: lftp |
| 20:32.46 | Suprano | ty |
| 20:32.46 | toko123 | okay thansk I'll keep that in mind |
| 20:32.49 | billybongo | or ncftpget |
| 20:32.52 | toko123 | maybe abiware |
| 20:33.03 | toko123 | or just goolge doc |
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| 20:33.18 | billybongo | well yeah, even a browser could be fun |
| 20:33.35 | billybongo | you'll need something like firefox and it's not the smallest kid on the block |
| 20:34.03 | billybongo | you might try looking for a browser which still uses the mozilla bits but has a lower gui overhead |
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| 20:35.32 | Demosthenes | i just need to get flash working. ;] |
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| 20:37.16 | orgeat | Hello, I need some help with ALSA |
| 20:37.40 | dcsimon | orgeat: what is the problem? |
| 20:37.42 | orgeat | I have plenty of errors on boot after installing alsa |
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| 20:38.03 | orgeat | and amarok says xine cannot connect to alsa |
| 20:38.09 | orgeat | or something like that |
| 20:38.34 | orgeat | cannot initialize audio driver |
| 20:38.44 | dcsimon | orgeat: what do the errors say on boot? |
| 20:39.08 | orgeat | well, the problem is I can't read it (to fast) |
| 20:39.13 | mot_ | is it possible to partition a USB stick in such a way so as to make a floppy-sized partition and emulate a floppy drive? |
| 20:39.21 | orgeat | I try dmesg but it's not in it |
| 20:39.48 | dcsimon | orgeat: is the proper kernel module for your soundcard loaded? |
| 20:40.19 | orgeat | hum ... perhaps not (?) |
| 20:40.40 | dcsimon | orgeat: lsmod will tell you that |
| 20:40.58 | orgeat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.04 | dcsimon | orgeat: you are looking for a module with a snd- prefix |
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| 20:41.15 | thedarkone | hey all |
| 20:41.19 | thedarkone | i need some help |
| 20:41.25 | dcsimon | orgeat: there will probably be several |
| 20:41.30 | orgeat | dcsimon: have plenty ... |
| 20:41.37 | thedarkone | i have a linksys wireless g usb |
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| 20:42.35 | orgeat | dcsimon: for example snd_ac97_codec ... but many others |
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| 20:43.14 | itrebal | do you guys field questions regarding Exim? |
| 20:43.22 | thedarkone | is there a easy way to install wirless usb |
| 20:43.31 | dcsimon | orgeat: what module uses snd_ac97_codec ? |
| 20:43.54 | abrotman | thedarkone: depends on the chipset |
| 20:43.59 | orgeat | dcsimon: snd_intel_8x0 |
| 20:44.07 | abrotman | itrebal: basic stuff i'd say is okay .. but there is a #exim |
| 20:44.21 | orgeat | dcsimon: snd_intel8x0 |
| 20:44.26 | dcsimon | orgeat: is that the module for the card you have? |
| 20:44.31 | itrebal | abrotman: oy this is probably not very basic :/ |
| 20:44.39 | abrotman | itrebal: is #exim dead? |
| 20:44.55 | itrebal | but nobody I"ve never talked to has known the answer; abrotman: yeah, mostly; occasionally I'll get a response in the next 36 hours |
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| 20:45.17 | orgeat | dcsimon: when I try alsaconf he proposes intel8x0 I think, just a moment |
| 20:45.27 | abrotman | itrebal: you can certainly ask here (or try ##linux) .. so ask away |
| 20:45.34 | itrebal | alright, thanks |
| 20:45.37 | abrotman | itrebal: assuming of course that it's a debian box :) |
| 20:45.44 | itrebal | abrotman: of course ;) |
| 20:45.57 | dcsimon | orgeat: the alsa website has information for each module and what cards are supported by it |
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| 20:46.30 | orgeat | dcsimon: yes in alsaconf following cards are found : intel8x0 nVidia Corporation nForce2 etc. |
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| 20:47.08 | itrebal | I had setup Exim with TLS about a year ago now on this system, and it was purely to test setting up with TLS; I created the certificates (incorectly, I later found out) and ever since, I've not been able to change the certificates.. I've deletd those files, regenerated them, searched myfilesystem for them, and they do not exist (as far asI can tell) I've even chnaged where Exim should look for them |
| 20:47.26 | itrebal | but every time, it comes up with the now-expired certificate that isn't even valid for this domain anymore either |
| 20:47.36 | dcsimon | orgeat: what window manager do you use |
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| 20:47.50 | thedarkone | is there a easy way to install linksys wireless g usb apdater on debain? |
| 20:47.53 | orgeat | dcsimon: after some manipulations (apt-get remove, install, alsaconf etc.) it works ... but after boot no more |
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| 20:48.39 | itrebal | any ideas in how to get rid of the old one ithat Exim has seemd to have ingested into itself, and replace it with a new one? |
| 20:48.58 | itrebal | (note: its not client-side caching, I've tested it through openssl s_client -connect domain:smtps |
| 20:49.02 | dcsimon | orgeat: it sounds as if something may be already using the sound card |
| 20:49.04 | CyberianIce | hi 2 all |
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| 20:49.17 | CyberianIce | please can somebody help me via pvt please |
| 20:49.23 | abrotman | itrebal: don't they get copied to /var/ at boot up ? |
| 20:49.32 | abrotman | CyberianIce: ask in the channel .. no one here should msg you |
| 20:49.33 | orgeat | yes probably because alsaconf does not report any error |
| 20:49.34 | CyberianIce | i have problems with DNS |
| 20:49.51 | CyberianIce | i can not understood how dns working |
| 20:49.55 | itrebal | abrotman: that may be, but I"ve rebooted several times since then :P do you know where they might be copied to? |
| 20:49.57 | orgeat | dcsimon: alsaconf does not report any error |
| 20:50.03 | CyberianIce | i have very specific proble, |
| 20:50.06 | CyberianIce | *m |
| 20:50.12 | abrotman | itrebal: you could look at the names .. and then use find to search for them .. |
| 20:50.13 | dcsimon | orgeat: what sort of error messages do you get if you try and aplay somefile.wav on the command line |
| 20:50.28 | abrotman | itrebal: you could also try commenting them out in your exim configs .. restart exim .. see if TLS goes away |
| 20:50.34 | itrebal | ok |
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| 20:50.44 | orgeat | dcsimon: OK I'll try |
| 20:50.48 | abrotman | itrebal: i don't use exim for much .. but it's something to try |
| 20:50.51 | CyberianIce | How i can made my site is visible, i have one domain, one dedicated ip, and one vserver |
| 20:50.52 | itrebal | thanks |
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| 20:51.04 | thedarkone | anyone |
| 20:51.09 | thedarkone | is there a easy way to install linksys wireless g usb apdater on debain? |
| 20:51.14 | abrotman | thedarkone: depends on the chipset |
| 20:51.26 | thedarkone | how u find out |
| 20:51.32 | dcsimon | orgeat: are you using KDE by chance |
| 20:51.37 | dcsimon | thedarkone: lsusb |
| 20:51.45 | Travis | I'm trying to setup a samba share between Windows XP and Debian, with Debian as the server. Anybody have any idea how to do this? |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | thedarkone: google |
| 20:51.51 | abrotman | !samba |
| 20:51.52 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 20:51.58 | CyberianIce | any ideas? |
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| 20:52.16 | CyberianIce | !bind |
| 20:52.16 | dpkg | from memory, bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 20:52.19 | thedarkone | abrotman huh |
| 20:52.19 | Travis | thanks |
| 20:52.22 | itrebal | abrotman: no change.. |
| 20:52.26 | thedarkone | i looked on google |
| 20:52.29 | abrotman | CyberianIce: ask a real question |
| 20:52.32 | abrotman | thedarkone: for the chipset? |
| 20:52.37 | thedarkone | yes |
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| 20:52.39 | orgeat | cdsimon: yes KDE |
| 20:52.39 | CyberianIce | real question? |
| 20:52.44 | itrebal | *very* wierd |
| 20:52.46 | abrotman | thedarkone: google "debian install linksys <model#>" |
| 20:52.58 | orgeat | DCSIMON: i'M LOOKING FOR A .WAV ;-) |
| 20:53.05 | saba | real good gnome instant messenger for msn/icq, should support cam/audio and filestransfer, any ideas? |
| 20:53.06 | abrotman | CyberianIce: setup bind .. aptitude install bind9-doc .. start reading |
| 20:53.51 | CyberianIce | abrotman: i have server with apache, bind, etc. server has dedicated ip, amd o have domain, now how i can point my domain to specific folder (/home/user/public_html) |
| 20:54.13 | dcsimon | orgeat: well there is your problem, kde runs a "sound server" called artsshell in the background that hogs the sound card, if you kill artsshell, all should be good. |
| 20:54.16 | CyberianIce | abrotman: at first, what i need to do with domain control |
| 20:54.28 | CyberianIce | to setup a-record, or what? |
| 20:54.54 | itrebal | abrotman: tbh, I don't even konw what do do now.. |
| 20:55.14 | orgeat | dcsimon: you are probably right, I've upgraded recently |
| 20:55.23 | orgeat | dcsimon: (KDE) |
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| 20:56.07 | orgeat | dcsimon: artsd ? |
| 20:56.23 | dcsimon | orgeat: yea, thats the one |
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| 20:57.04 | orgeat | dcsimon: hum, same problem under amarok |
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| 20:57.59 | dcsimon | orgeat: what if you use a diff engine, like artsd instead of xine |
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| 20:59.19 | thedarkone | abrotman well i can't figure this out linksys wusb54gc |
| 20:59.26 | orgeat | dcsimon: interresting, after having killed artsd and launched amarok, artsd is back ... |
| 20:59.50 | dcsimon | orgeat: anoying eh? |
| 21:00.13 | CyberianIce | look, i do not know how to point my domain on my dns server to specific site, and reading bind docs is not an option because i do not know what all thosye dangerous words mean |
| 21:00.36 | orgeat | dcsimon: I only can choose xine as engine, you think I could use something else ? |
| 21:01.25 | Nurulwai | My swap partition doesn't have uuid. How can I make it get one? |
| 21:02.20 | dcsimon | orgeat: I still think artsd is hogging your soundcard, as it allways does when it is running, try to kill artsd and try aplay somefile.wav, or even play an mp3 in xmms. |
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| 21:02.34 | fengor | note to self: do NOT encrypt /boot |
| 21:02.40 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, when you do mkswap it gives uuid |
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| 21:03.03 | orgeat | dcsimon: ok, I'll try |
| 21:03.25 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, or you could just give it a label and do by label |
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| 21:03.33 | Nishikitty | Anyone ever experienced problems using software raid with external drives? |
| 21:03.34 | fengor | how big does boot need to be? is 100mb enough? |
| 21:03.41 | dcsimon | Nurulwai: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid will show all uuids for disks |
| 21:03.56 | Lagbolt | fengor, lol 100mb is plenty and yean encrypting it is a bad idea |
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| 21:04.28 | amphi | fengor: why would you encrypt /boot ? |
| 21:04.48 | Lagbolt | dcsimon, mine doesnt. using LVM . . . shows uuid of lvm part |
| 21:04.57 | fengor | becausei forgot to make a seperate /boot partition while setting up thte partitions |
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| 21:05.45 | Nurulwai | dcsimon: Swap doesn't show up. I can see a '-U uuid' option in man mkswap. To save me spending time looking, where/when in the boot process is this ran so I can add that option? |
| 21:05.49 | peleg | do you think there's an extension (or so) for firefox that will add autocompletion/tab-completion/autocorrect or so to textareas? |
| 21:06.38 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, is your swap in an lvm? do you know what partition it is? also if you do mkswap it outputs the UUID when it makes the swap |
| 21:06.51 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, if you using lvm , lvdisplay will show the uuid |
| 21:07.06 | CyberianIce | ops, im just installed webmin, but still do not see how to setup bind |
| 21:07.34 | Nurulwai | It's not using lvm. It's a bog standard partition. I know what partition it is. There appears to be no uuid attached to it. |
| 21:07.35 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, or you can give your swap a LABEL when you make it and use LABEL=Swap in fstab instead of UUID |
| 21:08.06 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, so when you mkswap /dev/foo it doesnt give a UUID? |
| 21:08.09 | itrebal | oy |
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| 21:08.26 | Lagbolt | or are you trying to tell mkswap what drive to use with uuid? |
| 21:08.37 | Nurulwai | Lagbolt: Nah, when I run it right now it tells me /dev/hde5 is busy. :-) |
| 21:08.54 | Lagbolt | is the swap on? |
| 21:08.58 | Nurulwai | Yes |
| 21:09.00 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, swapoff -a |
| 21:09.32 | Nurulwai | That does indeed give me a uuid, and now a uuid shows up for it in blkid. |
| 21:09.44 | Nurulwai | However, one isn't there at boot time which is a bit of a bugger. |
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| 21:10.22 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, remake the swap using -L and give it a label then you can do it in fstab with label, forget the UUID if you cantfigure it out |
| 21:10.45 | dcsimon | Nurulwai: the swap uuid/label needs to go in fstab |
| 21:11.03 | Lagbolt | yeah what do you do with swap at "boot" time and what is boot time? there is a lot of booting lol |
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| 21:11.38 | jcm | hi, running etch/2.6.18 on a KT7-RAID mainboard, i'm trying to make a Seagate SATAII hd work via a Promise SATA 300 TX2plus (sata_promise). I get disabled status after ata1.00: failed to set xfermode (err_mask=0x4). |
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| 21:12.14 | Nurulwai | Lagbolt: I'd like to be able to reference the swap partition by uuid. If I run mkswap after the machine has booted (ie: right now) it is assigned a uuid. In the process of normal booting it does not get assigned a uuid. Not that this would help much as it seems the uuid it gets is different every time I run mkswap. |
| 21:12.27 | Nurulwai | Is a label the only way to reference a swap parition reliably? |
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| 21:12.31 | ribasushi | yo |
| 21:12.54 | orgeat | dcsimon: I've tried with kaffeine but it's the same, error + artsd coming back |
| 21:12.57 | ribasushi | if I need to run a logrotate prerotate script as a specific user, do I just do a su -c or is there a better way? |
| 21:13.11 | ribasushi | orgeat: try with kokaine |
| 21:13.13 | Lagbolt | Nurulwai, you can just put the partition :) |
| 21:13.22 | dcsimon | orgeat: you gota get outside of kde, all k* apps will most likely use artsd |
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| 21:13.47 | dcsimon | orgeat: xmms and aplay do not use artsd |
| 21:13.50 | orgeat | dcsimon: thanks, I'll stop searching right now ... kokaine ! no ... |
| 21:13.54 | Nurulwai | Lagbolt: Not when my disk is either hda or hde based on the direction of the wind or whatever the hell makes it randomly choose one. :-) |
| 21:13.57 | pmvalente | as anybody could help me to add entry on grub |
| 21:14.16 | Lagbolt | lol Nurulwai then do LABEL. are you sure the UUID that it gives you changes when you reboot? |
| 21:14.30 | orgeat | dcsimon: bye and thank you ! |
| 21:14.42 | dcsimon | orgeat: np |
| 21:14.46 | Lagbolt | seems a bit odd but i have LABEL on 2 machines. one encrypted and one lvm no encrypt and it always gets the right drive |
| 21:14.48 | Nurulwai | Lagbolt: I have no uuids set up at the moment. I'm trying to get around the silliness of having a randomly named harddisk. :-) |
| 21:14.53 | Nurulwai | I'll use labels. |
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| 21:18.27 | CyberianIce | can anybody just say what "master zone" in bind configuration mean? |
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| 21:20.24 | jcm | CyberianIce: in case you have some slave bind replicating your master |
| 21:20.48 | bobf | Hello. I just tried to install an application (picard from sid repo) and now I can't do anything with apt because it ran into an error installing one of the deps: " trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libavcodec.so.51', which is also in package libavcodeccvs51rn" |
| 21:21.17 | jcm | CyberianIce: if you have " type master;" in your zone, you're authoritavice on your zone, it's the true original one. |
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| 21:22.42 | SomeoneV4io | ok I've read the premisisons wiki but I'm still a bit confused |
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| 21:23.35 | SomeoneV4io | I have one user who owns a file/dir and group who can read it and public who cant read how do I add just one more user who can read write? |
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| 21:24.44 | n0ah | well you didn't say public can't write, so the user already can |
| 21:25.21 | CyberianIce | please, what "reverse records" mean? |
| 21:25.32 | SomeoneV4io | I assumed you'd also assume that if I restriced read I'd also restrict write |
| 21:25.46 | SomeoneV4io | however I see I need to clearify |
| 21:25.48 | n0ah | CyberianIce: it's a PTR record, the resolution of an ip to a hostname |
| 21:26.03 | SomeoneV4io | public cant read or write or ext |
| 21:26.12 | SomeoneV4io | the group can read only |
| 21:26.19 | SomeoneV4io | and the owner can rwx |
| 21:26.20 | n0ah | SomeoneV4io: well yea potentially since i'd have to clarify that you obviously can't have two groups own a file with one having read and one having write |
| 21:26.29 | n0ah | just make a copy of the file :P |
| 21:26.43 | n0ah | good point though |
| 21:26.51 | SomeoneV4io | n0ah this is in an apache dir |
| 21:26.52 | n0ah | i've never ran into that situation in all my nix years |
| 21:26.55 | SomeoneV4io | that's not an option |
| 21:27.02 | n0ah | SomeoneV4io: what are you trying to do |
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| 21:27.22 | SomeoneV4io | I want to give two users full access to the dir/fiules |
| 21:27.30 | SomeoneV4io | I want apache to read the files |
| 21:27.37 | SomeoneV4io | and public to be able to do nothing |
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| 21:27.58 | CyberianIce | so if i wish to add domain to my dns server, i should add it as separate zone? |
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| 21:28.18 | n0ah | CyberianIce: ptr record have their own zone, correct |
| 21:28.22 | I-raped-charq | Hi. I am considering installing a Debian partition in order to hide my vast pornography collection from my family? Does Debian serve this purpose well? |
| 21:28.47 | SomeoneV4io | I-raped-charq true crypt would be a better idea |
| 21:28.55 | SomeoneV4io | but debian would do well for that |
| 21:29.01 | I-raped-charq | How can I get true crypt |
| 21:29.07 | SomeoneV4io | assuming your family are computer stupid |
| 21:29.13 | CyberianIce | and what type of zone that should be? master zone or what? |
| 21:29.17 | SomeoneV4io | I-raped-charq truecrypt.org? |
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| 21:29.55 | I-raped-charq | my family failed to discover it when it was in a folder on shared document |
| 21:30.29 | SomeoneV4io | I-raped-charq use truecrypt |
| 21:30.36 | SomeoneV4io | it can be hiddent really well |
| 21:31.00 | I-raped-charq | brb |
| 21:31.06 | I-raped-charq | connection failing={ |
| 21:31.09 | I-raped-charq | damn vista |
| 21:32.01 | bobf | Oh well, I saved apt, thanks anyway for possibly thinking about helping me. ;) |
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| 21:34.51 | jcm | CyberianIce: are you trying to experiment bind on a test domain or act on a production server ? |
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| 21:36.16 | Patric1 | Could someone please have a look at the output of my syslog (posted at http://pastebin.com/m116ec7fc ) and advise whether this indicates that I could have a leak of kernel memory |
| 21:36.37 | CyberianIce | jcm: i tring to find out "how its made" |
| 21:37.03 | CyberianIce | in real enviroment |
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| 21:42.27 | CyberianIce | C-Ya |
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| 21:46.11 | jcm | my serial ata card fails to negociate with the Seagate HD. is it a kernel bug ? (2.6.18) or a serial_promise module bug ? or a hardware incompatibility between the promise card and the Seagate HD ? |
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| 22:08.08 | Multiply | How would you return the uptime in seconds? |
| 22:09.24 | dendrite | Multiply: cat /proc/uptime |
| 22:09.58 | Multiply | There's two numbers. |
| 22:10.03 | Multiply | Which would be the right one? |
| 22:10.27 | dendrite | The one on the left, on my system. Not sure what the second value is. |
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| 22:12.08 | dendrite | Multiply: Second value is amount of time since boot that the system has been idle. |
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| 22:15.12 | Multiply | Thanks |
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| 22:25.22 | karsten | Multiply: IIRC man 5 proc gives yuou a bunch of the /proc file formats |
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| 22:26.02 | Multiply | I'll check up on it, karrotx |
| 22:26.03 | Multiply | karsten * |
| 22:26.15 | karsten | Multiply: he's used to it. |
| 22:26.22 | Multiply | :P |
| 22:26.24 | karsten | Multiply: Not happy, but used to it. |
| 22:26.37 | Multiply | Well.. I get highlighted all the time >__< |
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| 22:28.44 | pengwyn | this is going to sound stupid. But when I do an apt-get ugrade I get linux-image-2.6-486 openssh-client openssh-server ; Now I just replaced the kernel (This box has NO COMPILER it's a server) my openssh is blocked by port knocking. SHould I be worried? |
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| 22:29.17 | pengwyn | uname -a shows 2.6.18-6-486 |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | why is this stupid ? |
| 22:30.13 | pengwyn | cause usually when I update the kernel (binary) there's nothing in the "kept back" |
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| 22:30.36 | pengwyn | This is an etch net install |
| 22:31.18 | pengwyn | I am mostly concerned about the kernel |
| 22:31.19 | abrotman | it's an ABI change ? |
| 22:31.27 | abrotman | the openssh is more of an issue |
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| 22:31.48 | pengwyn | I have it blocked to the outside.. and only internal via port knocking |
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| 22:32.13 | abrotman | do you have a terminal if need be ? |
| 22:32.24 | pengwyn | yeah there's a KVM on it |
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| 22:33.51 | abrotman | just asking in case your SSH dies |
| 22:34.00 | pengwyn | right. |
| 22:34.37 | pengwyn | The whole thing is protected behind IPCop. with only port 80 and 6667 open |
| 22:34.48 | karsten | pengwyn: Um, what are you planning to be worried about? |
| 22:34.49 | pengwyn | no SSH to the public at all. |
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| 22:35.09 | pengwyn | karsten just if the kernel is updated proper |
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| 22:35.22 | abrotman | would be more worried about the ssh |
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| 22:35.51 | karsten | pengwyn: Any unqualified or partially qualified kernel package (eg: 2.6-486) will track to the most recent kernel for that version. |
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| 22:36.27 | karsten | pengwyn: So you should see a 2.6.18-6-486 kernel installed. Check /boot for installed kernels to see if there are any others. Note you'll have to reboot for the new kernel to be running. |
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| 22:36.51 | karsten | pengwyn: ssh: worry about bad keys (/topic), password brute-forcing, and the usual suspects. |
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| 22:36.53 | pengwyn | It's rebooted and uname -a shows 2.6.18-6-486 |
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| 22:37.10 | karsten | pengwyn: So what's your question? That looks sane. |
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| 22:38.00 | karsten | notes that he's at 2.6.24-1-686 here... |
| 22:38.42 | pengwyn | that's basically it I guess. SSH is blocked by IPCop to the outside. and by Port knocking on the inside. (And yeah I would compile a kernel for this box, but I specifically made sure this box can't compile anything) |
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| 22:39.25 | pengwyn | no wget, no ftp, no compilers etc. |
| 22:39.48 | karsten | pengwyn: You can cross-compile on another box if you want. |
| 22:39.48 | pengwyn | I only apt-get via binary off a key |
| 22:40.08 | karsten | OK, anyone elsehaving the problem that gpm apparently freezes or otherwise fuxnors w3m? |
| 22:40.13 | pengwyn | all my other boxes are broken right now. ;o) |
| 22:40.45 | pengwyn | that's what happenes when you buy 500G drives and the bios only does 137G |
| 22:40.48 | karsten | I'll be using w3m, suddenly all input freezes, and I found that restarting gpm fixed this (IIRC I found an open file reference to a GPM device file). |
| 22:41.01 | karsten | pengwyn: Dude! Donate to museum! |
| 22:41.07 | pengwyn | LOL! heh |
| 22:41.21 | karsten | pengwyn: I think your kernel can work around the 137 limits. You need a smaller device for boot, that's it. |
| 22:41.27 | pengwyn | I know, but I just spent $8,000 on my teeth |
| 22:41.37 | karsten | pengwyn: I have a solution for you. |
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| 22:41.43 | karsten | pengwyn: Install Debian on your teeth. |
| 22:41.53 | pengwyn | Heh heh heh |
| 22:41.57 | pengwyn | LOVE |
| 22:42.37 | pengwyn | I had a gpm problem (on a box with no X) I just disabled gpm |
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| 22:43.06 | pengwyn | gpm is the mouse support for midnight commander right? |
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| 22:43.25 | abrotman | for the console |
| 22:43.28 | pengwyn | Or is that the X selector..(I always get them confised) |
| 22:43.36 | pengwyn | yeah just disable it. |
| 22:43.40 | pengwyn | killall -9 gpm |
| 22:43.48 | karsten | pengwyn: It's mouse support for console. |
| 22:43.53 | sly007 | Hello, in the expert install, I chose: do not allow login as root, it made me create an user and a password, but then when install was finished, root had no passwd and the user did not exist. Is that normal? |
| 22:43.56 | karsten | pengwyn: I may just do that. |
| 22:43.58 | pengwyn | Who needs a mouse in console? |
| 22:44.02 | pengwyn | I don't |
| 22:44.08 | karsten | pengwyn: It's surprisingly useful ;-) |
| 22:44.10 | pengwyn | Peace and thank you! |
| 22:44.14 | karsten | pengwyn: ... if you're using console often. |
| 22:44.20 | karsten | sly007: Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 22:44.25 | antgel | !tell pengwyn about popcon |
| 22:44.27 | sly007 | karsten: debian |
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| 22:44.41 | karsten | sly007: Can you boot single-user? |
| 22:44.54 | karsten | sly007: .. and I'd suspect that that's not normal, no. |
| 22:44.59 | sly007 | karsten: i can boot even in multi user |
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| 22:45.08 | karsten | sly007: ?? |
| 22:45.35 | sly007 | i mean i have no pb booting |
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| 22:45.42 | sly007 | it's just root had no passwd |
| 22:45.52 | sly007 | and no user was created |
| 22:46.01 | kminor | hey guys...I bought my first Intel Centrino 64 bit laptop the other day...I've never had a 64 bit processor before so I was curious if I should install the ia64 or the amd64 debian image... |
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| 22:46.18 | pengwyn | ia64 |
| 22:46.24 | karsten | pengwyn: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO-4.html |
| 22:46.26 | kminor | I originally guessed the ia64 because it's intel, but i read some stuff and now im not sure |
| 22:46.27 | pengwyn | I = intel |
| 22:46.30 | karsten | pengwyn: History of disk size restrictions. |
| 22:46.43 | superlinux | one used a joystick on linux? can (s)he tell the brand name? |
| 22:46.53 | sly007 | Other question, I wan to install mutt, why on earth does it need to install exim?? |
| 22:47.02 | pengwyn | karsten: I am gonna get a new main board. In a month |
| 22:47.10 | karsten | sly007: Well, you ask if that's normal, and I'd say "no". The fix is to run 'passwd' as root to create a password (if it's allowing passwordless login), and to create a new user (adduser). |
| 22:47.16 | pengwyn | Use the old A7V for another firewall |
| 22:47.19 | karsten | sly007: Which should resolve the issue. |
| 22:47.31 | sly007 | karsten: that's what i did |
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| 22:47.46 | sly007 | karsten: just surprised it did not do what expected |
| 22:47.48 | pengwyn | my teeth hurt bad right now by the way. |
| 22:48.05 | nonfatmatt | kminor amd64 |
| 22:48.11 | sly007 | any idea why instally mutt needs exim as a dependency? |
| 22:48.13 | karsten | sly007: File a bug against debian-installer. If you can find the install log, apend that. |
| 22:48.13 | nonfatmatt | but x86 is easier |
| 22:48.17 | Chucky_87 | sly007: try to boot with live cd or in rescue mode and do chroot, and passwd |
| 22:48.48 | kminor | nonfatmatt: that's what I thought...on the debian.org/CD/faq it says to install amd64...why wouldn't i install ia64? |
| 22:48.56 | karsten | pengwyn: IIUC Linux will see > 137GB, but you need to be under 137 GB for your boot and root partitions. That's nother reason recommend partitioning out seperate filesystems. |
| 22:49.00 | pengwyn | a knopix cd can be a serious life saver |
| 22:49.01 | nonfatmatt | kminor, ia64 is for itanium |
| 22:49.09 | sly007 | Chucky_87: i did create a passwd with passwd on my unpretected root access |
| 22:49.11 | karsten | Chucky_87: I think he's OK as far as that goes. |
| 22:49.30 | kminor | nonfatmatt: yeah, so the intel centrino's aren't itaniam or whatever? |
| 22:49.42 | karsten | sly007: It's possible that you managed to skip part of the installation process. You've rebooted the system right? |
| 22:49.48 | nonfatmatt | kminor, nope, all 64bit intel desktop/laptop cpus use amd64 |
| 22:49.55 | karsten | kminor: No, centrino != itanium. |
| 22:49.55 | pengwyn | karsten, I always give sepperat partitions for everything |
| 22:49.57 | kminor | pengwyn: I guess u were wrong :/ hehe... |
| 22:50.07 | kminor | or maybe not...ghar |
| 22:50.09 | karsten | pengwyn: I wrote the mini-FAQ on the topic ;-) |
| 22:50.11 | sly007 | karsten: right. I skiped the part "install software" because i don't want anything |
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| 22:50.25 | porncake | can someone tell me the command to check what driver i have for my raid card? |
| 22:50.28 | pengwyn | AMD = Advanced Micro Devices, |
| 22:50.29 | karsten | sly007: That should have just given you a minimal system. |
| 22:50.35 | nonfatmatt | though i would use 386, it's easier to install certain things for a laptop like net firmware etc (also flashplayer) |
| 22:50.36 | pengwyn | sorry. |
| 22:50.39 | karsten | pengwyn: lspci, discover, in general. |
| 22:51.09 | sly007 | karsten: yes minimal, but I'h expect it to create a root passwd or create the unpriviledged user which turns oot with sudo |
| 22:51.22 | pengwyn | Okay, Sorry if I was wrong. |
| 22:51.23 | karsten | sly007: See above WRT filing a bug. |
| 22:51.28 | sly007 | but it did not install sudo nor create the user |
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| 22:51.55 | sly007 | karsten: can't believe i discovered a bug in debian :-p |
| 22:52.08 | kminor | pengwyn: It's all good |
| 22:52.36 | pengwyn | I know there's enough brains in this channel to counter any of my nonsense mistakes |
| 22:52.37 | superlinux | anyone can recommend me a game controller that works on linux? |
| 22:52.38 | karsten | sly007: If you *entirely* skipped that SW install step that might have happened. If you specifically requested no password for root (usually that meens direct root login disabled, Ubuntu hacks login for single-user mode to work), sudo should ahve been installed. |
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| 22:53.48 | kminor | nonfatmatt : okay...thanks man, I almost installed the ia64 image....they change the names quite a bit... |
| 22:53.50 | Nishikitty | superlinux: I think yu may get a better answer out of google. ;) |
| 22:53.59 | pengwyn | kminor -- SORRY |
| 22:54.11 | superlinux | sometimes i cant trust it |
| 22:54.15 | kminor | pengwyn : it's okay man...i didn't know either ;) |
| 22:54.23 | superlinux | cos u know i am buying |
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| 22:55.40 | Nishikitty | superlinux: This channel is more general support in regards to debian-specific issues, which is why I suggested that. basically, not really the right place to look. |
| 22:56.34 | Nishikitty | I think theres a linux gaming website that might help you though. |
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| 22:57.09 | toor_ | does the mount option "onerror=umount" in etch work? |
| 22:57.48 | vxd2 | i was hacked and i have srv4 rootkit |
| 22:57.55 | vxd2 | how can i identify who did it? |
| 22:58.08 | kminor | nonfatmatt , pengwyn : thanks again fellas |
| 22:58.24 | superlinux | ok |
| 22:58.32 | pengwyn | vxd4 if your log files haven't been touched look for WGET <target> |
| 22:58.53 | Nishikitty | ah home time |
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| 22:59.08 | pengwyn | a lot of times they wget the parts of a rootkit |
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| 22:59.39 | pengwyn | you probably won't find who did it if it's a busy server |
| 23:00.19 | pengwyn | just sayin, and no I don't know srv4 rootkit. |
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| 23:01.00 | toor_ | the man page for mount states that the "onerror=umount" option doesn't do anything at present... i was hoping the man page was outdated ;) |
| 23:01.09 | Saar | look in /var/log/auth* for any brute force password cracking going on and see if any of them was successful |
| 23:01.36 | Saar | and regardless apt-get install fail2ban |
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| 23:02.14 | pengwyn | fail2ban rocks |
| 23:02.15 | sly007 | I wan to install mutt, why on earth does it need to install exim?? |
| 23:02.23 | pengwyn | buty you need to tweek it ^ |
| 23:02.33 | Saar | toor_: filesystem can be remounted read only on error, seems to work just as well? |
| 23:03.53 | Saar | thing is most likely the break in happened from another hacked server with some dynamic IP from Brazil or China or Russia so you'll get stuck |
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| 23:04.42 | toor_ | Saar: one would think. i have a drbd device(s) that i mount read only to perform backups....sometimes it freaks when performing the backup for reasons unknown to me and i was hoping i could change the behaviour to unmount it. |
| 23:04.46 | Saar | and it's likely a windoze zombie |
| 23:05.02 | Saar | oh ok |
| 23:05.23 | pengwyn | if you have no users from Brazil, China, or Russia you can always grab a blacklist for those countries |
| 23:05.58 | pengwyn | but then again, I make assumptions, and it's why I ain't the smartest bulb |
| 23:05.58 | Saar | crackers though are generally not too bright and "hide" their files in /tmp/.../ or such |
| 23:06.07 | Saar | often an irc daemon |
| 23:06.11 | pengwyn | also /var/tmp |
| 23:06.15 | Saar | ja |
| 23:06.38 | Saar | yeah blacklists covering who TLDs are a bad idea imo |
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| 23:07.20 | pengwyn | for my little server they are not a bad idea. I get em on BOGON's also |
| 23:08.12 | pengwyn | I also seen them in /dev/shm |
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| 23:08.44 | Demosthenes | so i saw some debate regarding suspend, between hibernate, pm-utils, and acpi-support... anyone know what the "standard" is? |
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| 23:10.33 | pengwyn | just like fail2ban modsecurity2 rocks also |
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| 23:10.42 | pengwyn | But again it has to be tweeked |
| 23:10.55 | pengwyn | Or nobody can use your system |
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| 23:12.06 | vxd2 | prw------- what is this?? |
| 23:12.22 | Demosthenes | pipe? |
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| 23:13.01 | adama | yeah pipe |
| 23:13.06 | vxd2 | what does it do? |
| 23:13.14 | pengwyn | bad things |
| 23:13.34 | adama | sucks you in, spits you out, that kind of thing |
| 23:13.35 | vxd2 | like i have it on /tmp |
| 23:13.35 | pengwyn | Try to rename it |
| 23:13.52 | pengwyn | or tar it up and delete it, unless you made it yourself |
| 23:14.10 | nevyn | that's a really bad idea |
| 23:14.26 | pengwyn | what's that deleting it? |
| 23:14.28 | nevyn | a named pipe is a way to send data between two processes |
| 23:14.42 | pengwyn | yeah. |
| 23:14.51 | adama | yep what he said |
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| 23:15.13 | porncake | where does debian put the kernel tree? |
| 23:15.16 | porncake | its not in /usr/bin |
| 23:15.22 | porncake | usr/src |
| 23:15.23 | porncake | i mean |
| 23:15.29 | stiv2k | How can I add/remove items from my GNOME panel applications menu? |
| 23:15.36 | nevyn | (contrived example) you have a program that reads mpeg2 from a capture card.. writes it to a named pipe and then another program reads from the pipe verifies that the stream is ok and writes it to disk |
| 23:15.47 | slackgen | stiv2k, alacarte |
| 23:16.22 | pengwyn | Nevyn sounds like a keylogger to me. But then I am just an idiot |
| 23:16.43 | slackgen | stiv2k, 'apt-get install alacarte' will do it |
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| 23:16.52 | stiv2k | slackgen: thanks |
| 23:16.57 | slackgen | np |
| 23:17.03 | nevyn | pengwyn: not at all. |
| 23:17.15 | pengwyn | I would grab a mc binary and analyze the pipe. Run say etherape and look for connections |
| 23:17.16 | nevyn | pengwyn: there are many many good reasons to have a named pipe |
| 23:17.23 | pengwyn | Agreed |
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| 23:17.52 | nevyn | the advantage of a named pipe. over just using readata|writedata |
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| 23:18.06 | nevyn | is that either the producer or the consumer can die and recover |
| 23:18.13 | pengwyn | I thought he said he had a rootkit? |
| 23:18.29 | nevyn | oh. well in that case all bets are off.. remove networking re-install the box. |
| 23:18.35 | nevyn | it's the only way to be sure. |
| 23:18.36 | pengwyn | if it is some AUDIO/VIDEO thing, then you could reinstall |
| 23:19.04 | pengwyn | and see the pipe disappear and reappear, but if it's a rootkit, then etherape will show data going to an address |
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| 23:19.18 | pengwyn | just my opinion |
| 23:19.26 | nevyn | there is exactly one responce once you've been compramised |
| 23:19.40 | pengwyn | I agree pipes are good for things, like dumping say a CD to mp3 |
| 23:19.43 | nevyn | re-install system from trusted media |
| 23:19.58 | pengwyn | or backup |
| 23:20.03 | cloakable | Has anyone gotten CWiid (wiimote driver) working on Debian Etch? Or backported it? |
| 23:20.06 | nevyn | recover data from known trusted backup |
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| 23:20.53 | pengwyn | I had a friend with a streaming station that uses pipe all the time |
| 23:21.20 | pengwyn | But if your looking for a rootkit on a potentially compromised server and trying to CATCH someone.... |
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| 23:21.44 | pengwyn | I'd analyze it, just cause your rooted doesn't make it an emergency |
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| 23:22.06 | pengwyn | again, my lame opinion |
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| 23:22.35 | pengwyn | yanking the ethernet cable is easy |
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| 23:24.37 | pengwyn | nevyn, but I agree the final solution is reformat. The only thing I am saying is that if he don't analyze it, he'll likely get the same rootkit |
| 23:25.19 | Saar | nevyn: i understand your sentiment and agree, but reall;y I would think the vast majority of break ins are automated, to create botnets, done by rather clueless people who prefer an easy quick fix and therefore are unlikely to be even able to do tricks requiring a clean reinstall |
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| 23:25.57 | pengwyn | USAF botnet? /me wonders |
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| 23:26.53 | Sam1337 | Will Lenny need to be rebooted during kernel updates? |
| 23:27.00 | pengwyn | reinstall, agreed, but at least LEARN from it first |
| 23:27.07 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: if you want to use the new kernel, yes. |
| 23:27.10 | dondelelcaro | Sam1337: otherwise, no. |
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| 23:27.51 | Sam1337 | I read somewhere that it's possible to update a kernel and use it without rebooting, is this not going to be a feature implemented into Lenny then? |
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| 23:28.15 | pengwyn | Sam1337 no modules |
| 23:28.49 | dendrite | Sam1337: Carrier grade systems have been doing that for years. Not Linux. |
| 23:29.05 | pengwyn | alright I am out of here before I get myself in trouble. Again. LOVE PEACE |
| 23:30.15 | Sam1337 | rebooting is such a choir >< |
| 23:30.39 | Sam1337 | pressing a button and waiting almost two minutes, who can be arsed to do that? |
| 23:30.47 | dendrite | Sam1337: Ordeal, more like it, if you manage any quantity of machines. |
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| 23:40.14 | vxd2 | is there a /usr/share/sshd.sync file? |
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| 23:41.08 | Jorophose | is it possible to add packages to a debian-installer ISO to be included during the main OS install? it feels like a bit of a waste of a CD to only use up 140MB of the ~700MB... |
| 23:41.16 | ninjaslim | does debian have ssh enabled by default |
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| 23:44.13 | dub | ninjaslim, no |
| 23:44.34 | ninjaslim | dub: how would i do this, i'm new to Debian, i'm not sure how to use the init system yet |
| 23:44.55 | Sam1337 | Jorophose: You could use reusable media formats :) |
| 23:45.08 | dub | ninjaslim, apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 23:45.25 | ninjaslim | dub: that's it? do i need to add it to a runlevel or anything |
| 23:45.44 | dub | ninjaslim, nope its all taken care of |
| 23:46.07 | ninjaslim | dub: oh that's neat, also i need ssh on both my machines to allow connections back and forth right? |
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| 23:46.34 | Jorophose | Sam1337: I was looking more for some way to easily roll debian systems but thanks anyway :) |
| 23:46.51 | dub | ninjaslim, yep |
| 23:46.56 | trq75 | ninja: That is indeed the case. |
| 23:47.03 | mick_home | anyone here know anything about sun blade servers? I'm in a T-blade's service processor and I just typed: "console -f" and I can't get to the console -- (since it is redirecting the output?) -- how do i get that to stop? -- my netboot install may or may not be done (I can't see it) |
| 23:47.10 | ninjaslim | dub: ok thanks |
| 23:49.55 | Jorophose | alternatively, is it "safe" to add in extra directories to the installer CD for various purposes unrelated to the installer? |
| 23:51.09 | ninjaslim | just another question, does KDE on Debian come as split packages, not monolithic ones |
| 23:51.51 | trq75 | Joro, there is an article on the wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD that may be of interest. |
| 23:52.22 | dondelelcaro | ninjaslim: split packages |
| 23:53.03 | Jorophose | trq75: hmm, isn't that for systems with debian installed already? |
| 23:53.24 | ninjaslim | dondelelcaro: darn that's Gentoo lingo, as in say you have kdemultimedia and you only need kmix then you have individual packages available for kmix and dragonplayer or whatever else is contained in kdemultimedia |
| 23:54.03 | trq75 | Joro, no, but obviously you need a system to be able to build a a custom cd. |
| 23:54.48 | Jorophose | well, I've currently got a linux system yes but it's not debian... unless option 2 is what I'm looking for? |
| 23:55.26 | trq75 | Joro, it shouldn't matter what Linux you use to build the cd. |
| 23:55.42 | wols | Jorophose: install the debian cd1 then. full 700MB. or dvd-1: full 4.7GB |
| 23:55.51 | wols | no one forces you to use netint |
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| 23:56.35 | Jorophose | wols: thing is I'm not even sure about what's installed on the xfce-cd1; otherwise I'd give it a shot |
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| 23:59.10 | wols | !tell Jorophose about cd content |
