| 00:00.04 | penrod | greetings: can mmv work recursively ? the man page has no indication that it can. |
| 00:00.13 | The_PHP_Jedi | thephpjedi-desktop:/home/thephpjedi# alsamixer .... alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 00:00.15 | The_PHP_Jedi | great... :-/ |
| 00:00.28 | The_PHP_Jedi | heading to #alsa |
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| 00:00.44 | The_PHP_Jedi | fuck you Freenode, I want to join more channels! |
| 00:00.52 | PapaSmurf | crashanddie, thanks again |
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| 00:01.27 | abrotman | penrod: mv or mmv ? |
| 00:01.34 | penrod | mmv |
| 00:01.53 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, yw |
| 00:01.57 | penrod | I have several thousand files with a "~" at the end of the file name, |
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| 00:02.10 | abrotman | penrod: you could use 'rename' |
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| 00:02.40 | penrod | abrotman: I will look into it. |
| 00:03.37 | Tramp | or the faithful find ... -name .... -execdir ... |
| 00:03.57 | scatterp- | hi can any one tell me what proxy package i could use or recomend one that i can use to proxychains proxyd |
| 00:05.18 | PapaSmurf | abrotman, aptitude install xorg gdm gnome syas couldn't find any package matchin xorg or gnome, however, blah blah blaha 0 packages upgraded, installe,d romoved |
| 00:06.07 | abrotman | PapaSmurf: which version of debian and are your sources.list sane ? |
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| 00:07.02 | billybob | uh oh ----> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=11869 |
| 00:07.05 | doub_ | hi there |
| 00:07.35 | abrotman | billybob: OT |
| 00:07.49 | abrotman | billybob: erm .. not OT .. but old news |
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| 00:08.10 | mandrake | un mexicano por aqui? |
| 00:08.11 | dendrite | billybob: Read the topic. First item. |
| 00:08.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:08.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:09.11 | PapaSmurf | debian is as of yesterday. my /etc/ |
| 00:09.37 | PapaSmurf | apt is as of today |
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| 00:09.53 | markybob | ian^2, stop |
| 00:10.05 | ian^2 | im trying to find a nickname that isnt taken |
| 00:10.07 | ian^2 | :| |
| 00:10.27 | CaT[t3] | ian: consider finding it off-channel. |
| 00:10.32 | markybob | PapaSmurf, congratulations, you managed to answer *none* of his questions |
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| 00:14.30 | scatterp- | err how to i change my keyboard layout so i can type a | |
| 00:15.00 | sessaid | debsum is supossed to give an error is a file is missing, right? And only list a file if it has changed? |
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| 00:15.18 | streuner | !keymap |
| 00:15.18 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 00:17.27 | doub_ | CaT[t3]: seems like it's weekend time on #debian again ;) |
| 00:17.50 | sessaid | zythmer: It looks like I got lucky with my rm -R / . debsums only showes the files I restored in /sbin as changed. No other missing files. I can |
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| 00:18.01 | sessaid | zythmer: can not explain this |
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| 00:19.30 | PapaSmurf | version of debian is 2.6.18-6-686, and you sad sane, not same. so, no, i doubt the sanity of my sources.list. It was modified, and I cannot type it. |
| 00:19.37 | sessaid | zythmer: but I am still worried about trying to reboot. |
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| 00:20.27 | doub_ | sessaid: maybe try launching some random apps to be sure |
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| 00:21.02 | doub_ | sessaid: you can also go the long hard road and check every file with ldd and the like |
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| 00:21.33 | wald0 | its me or there's a bit of too much unstability this last time in Lenny ? |
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| 00:21.50 | sessaid | doub_: I'll do some more checking. I need to take a break now that I know that there is no major damage :-) |
| 00:22.21 | sessaid | doub_: and do another backup |
| 00:22.40 | doub_ | sessaid: back what? ;) |
| 00:23.03 | doub_ | religiously backs up to /dev/null in a crontab |
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| 00:23.08 | sessaid | doub_: not funny. I learned my lesson the hard way :-) |
| 00:23.14 | PapaSmurf | markybob, version of debian is 2.6.18-6-686, and you sad sane, not same. so, no, i doubt the sanity of my sources.list. It was modified, and I cannot type it. |
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| 00:23.36 | linuxguy | !flash |
| 00:23.36 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 00:23.57 | sessaid | Thank you everyone for you help! |
| 00:24.15 | dabreegster | I startx with just an xterm to make sure no window manager interferes. Running xev, I press and hold my "windows" key (Super_R). i dont get multiple keypress events. With any other normal key, I get multiple keypresses and then finally a keyrelease. |
| 00:24.16 | doub_ | sessaid: i guess so. i do too, quite often, but too lazy to backup anyway |
| 00:24.22 | sessaid | doub_: I got lucky this time. |
| 00:24.33 | dabreegster | Can I change this? the xkb configuration is a bit cryptic |
| 00:26.26 | doub_ | sessaid: btw, that "just say no" backup policy of mine made me dream of being able to entirly script an install, cos in debian quite every binary pieces are in packages just one apt-get away |
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| 00:26.43 | PapaSmurf | abrotman, version of debian is 2.6.18-6-686, and you said sane, not same (sorry I misread). so, no, i doubt the sanity of my sources.list. It was modified, and I cannot type it but I can ed it. |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | PapaSmurf: paste them somewhere |
| 00:27.01 | doub_ | sessaid: so theorically there's no need to backup those, but it's also a huge effort to do the scripting well |
| 00:27.06 | scatterp | hi can any one tell me what proxy package i could use or recomend one that i can use to proxychains proxyd |
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| 00:28.05 | S4nD3r | my artwork is not working, this just do not runs |
| 00:29.13 | sessaid | doub_: It looks like I spoke too soon. I am getting "cannot execure binary file" when I try to run /sbin binaries. |
| 00:29.29 | doub_ | scatterp: i can recommand the goplay package that has a wonderful browser for every packages with debtags, you may find what you want there |
| 00:29.55 | scatterp | thx |
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| 00:30.43 | wald0 | at least seems like there's BIG changes in testing |
| 00:30.44 | doub_ | sessaid: what does "file /sbin/<foo>" says? |
| 00:31.22 | sessaid | sbin/route: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 00:31.35 | sessaid | oh, I got it. |
| 00:31.44 | doub_ | sessaid: you're running a 64 bits kernel? |
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| 00:32.07 | sessaid | On the one I copied these from. I figured it out now. |
| 00:32.46 | sessaid | I need to figure out which deb packages the /sbin binaries are in. |
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| 00:32.54 | doub_ | sessaid: maybe reinstall the packages they're from? can work but it's not very academic |
| 00:33.03 | doub_ | sessaid: dlocate is your friend |
| 00:33.32 | sessaid | I'll check them one at a time. :-( |
| 00:34.13 | sessaid | doub_: See! This is were backups are sometimes easier :-) |
| 00:35.54 | doub_ | sessaid: huh well... as in "but which of those 25 unlabelled tapes is the right one?" ? |
| 00:36.10 | sessaid | doub_: I think I'll try a debootstrap in a chroot and copy the files. |
| 00:36.48 | doub_ | sessaid: might be. as the saying goes, you get to keep both pieces, anyway ;) |
| 00:36.56 | sessaid | doub_: I know, I was just kidding :-) Everything has a pro and con |
| 00:37.53 | zythmer | sessaid: dlocate -S '/sbin/*' # will tell you which package /usr/sbin/* and /sbin/* files came from. |
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| 00:39.58 | sessaid | zythmer: thanks |
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| 00:41.14 | jamesnvc | Hello, I'm having problems in unstable with gettimeofday calls causing applications to hang, would anyone know anything about this? |
| 00:42.55 | AljosHa | I need 1 advice, what would you advice me to use as a mail server software?postfix,sendmail,qmail,exim, or what? |
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| 00:43.35 | doub_ | AljosHa: depends on what you want to do, and on what sort of hardware |
| 00:44.09 | doub_ | AljosHa: and maybe how long you want to spend configuring |
| 00:45.53 | PapaSmurf | is away: I'm busy |
| 00:45.54 | abrotman | AljosHa: most use postfix or exim |
| 00:45.58 | abrotman | !tell PapaSmurf about away |
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| 00:49.17 | doub_ | btw i'm still wondering, as today most debian systems aren't used as mail server/relays, why some MUAs like mutt still depend on MTAs in the package system? |
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| 00:49.51 | zkline | Hm. I wonder what the procedure for installing Firefox 3 would be? I'm not really used to working outside the package system. |
| 00:49.58 | doub_ | or maybe i'm dated and it's not the case today, but it's been quite frustrating |
| 00:50.21 | fiber | hello, i just installed debian on my macbook (i had enough of osx, had to get back to linux) but i can't get my resolution up to par. i read on the wiki howto to install 915resolution however i think this was for the previus revision of the macbook so it's a different graphics chipset now. anyone have any ideas? |
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| 00:53.00 | jamesnvc | fiber: Have you tried adding an entry in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 00:53.30 | doub_ | zkline: it's in experimental seems like : http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel |
| 00:53.52 | jamesnvc | fiber: i.e. under "Section Display", add the resolution you want to the list of modes? |
| 00:54.11 | zkline | Hm. I'm on Lenny at the moment. Wonder if that'll come back to bite me. |
| 00:54.27 | fiber | jamesnvc: hrm, yes... the obvious way. sorry, i've been away from linux for about a year now so my mindset it back to that of a noob |
| 00:54.37 | fiber | jamesnvc: i'll give it a shot |
| 00:55.02 | doub_ | fiber: maybe "dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg" if you're both lazy and lucky with the debconf autodetection |
| 00:55.26 | zkline | QSO | morse -e -T -d -w 5 -F 15 |
| 00:55.39 | zkline | Bah. |
| 00:55.40 | scatterp | after sockd is installed how would i make it run i dont see a place to provide it a port i dont see it listening and ./sockd gives no error yet it does not appear in the process list ? |
| 00:55.49 | abrotman | fiber: it's for chipsets other than 915 |
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| 00:56.29 | doub_ | zkline: you can use apt pinning for installing just this package |
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| 00:57.05 | doub_ | zkline: or install the prebuild binary from mozilla, maybe |
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| 00:58.15 | hardnrg | thanks for the notice spam =\ |
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| 00:58.24 | abrotman | thank staff |
| 00:58.27 | liable | !lose abrotman |
| 00:58.28 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 00:58.33 | beardy | !beer abrotman |
| 00:58.34 | dpkg | pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for abrotman |
| 00:58.35 | scatterp | can i get some help making sockd work please? |
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| 00:59.07 | jamesnvc | Um, does anyone know why gettimeofday would be hanging? Googling hasn't revealed anything helpful thus far |
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| 00:59.57 | markybob | at least they're persistent :P |
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| 01:00.20 | doub_ | jamesnvc: are you real sure it's gettimeofday hanging? seen this on strace or something? |
| 01:00.29 | liable | why did they come back after klines? |
| 01:00.35 | streuner | yeah |
| 01:00.37 | scatterp | smokes |
| 01:00.40 | beardy | wonders too. |
| 01:00.42 | jamesnvc | doub_: Yeah, strace shows a bunch of gettimeofday/select |
| 01:00.44 | streuner | that's interesting |
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| 01:01.43 | beardy | Maybe joined a different server, and it wasn't synced. </speculating> |
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| 01:01.53 | abrotman | maybe it wasn't intentional |
| 01:01.56 | doub_ | jamesnvc: so might as well be select hanging |
| 01:02.04 | streuner | beardy: prolly a very good guess |
| 01:02.11 | doub_ | jamesnvc: which seems more likely |
| 01:02.14 | jamesnvc | doub_: Yeah... |
| 01:02.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:02.17 | jamesnvc | Hrm |
| 01:02.28 | jamesnvc | Well, whenever it happens, it's the two calls, repeatedly |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | wonders if he can tell which staff did that |
| 01:02.47 | jamesnvc | doub_: Any idea how I could diagnoise this? |
| 01:02.53 | beardy | wonders if they would answer abrotman if he asked. |
| 01:02.54 | jamesnvc | *diagnose |
| 01:02.58 | RA3OR | points at abrotman |
| 01:02.59 | doub_ | jamesnvc: maybe with gdb |
| 01:03.02 | streuner | beardy: yes |
| 01:03.10 | jamesnvc | doub_: Alright, will try |
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| 01:03.43 | doub_ | jamesnvc: but for it to be any useful you need to have debug symbols around for your app and libraries |
| 01:03.59 | fiber | jamesnvc: eh, it didn't work |
| 01:04.24 | go_coder1 | does debian change or add anything special to the regualr kde 3.5.5 ? |
| 01:04.34 | go_coder1 | i am looking for a straight standard kde 3 |
| 01:04.35 | abrotman | go_coder1: there is a changelog for each package |
| 01:04.36 | doub_ | jamesnvc: you can also go looking with lsof to see which fd might lock |
| 01:04.52 | go_coder1 | abrotman: mostly prolly only the grpahics is changed though right ? |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | look at the changelog |
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| 01:05.35 | jamesnvc | doub_: Well, it's stumpwm that keeps hanging |
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| 01:06.36 | beardy | go_coder1: Many things are changed to many things to make them work better and fit into other parts of Debian. But not any things you would notice, or think about, if you aren't looking. It'll work as any other KDE I'm sure, with the benefit of having working full menus and so on. |
| 01:06.53 | zythmer | jamesnvc: How is stumpwm otherwise? I looked at that but decided to use xmonad instead. |
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| 01:07.23 | jamesnvc | zythmer: I really like it...I was using xmonad before, and I definitly prefer stumpwm |
| 01:07.28 | jamesnvc | Highly recommend it |
| 01:07.49 | jamesnvc | doub_: How would I use lsof here? |
| 01:08.04 | wouterl | i switched to lenny and want to have a resolution of "1152x864" using the intel driver of xorg (i810), but this resolution doesn't seem to be available anymore ... it worked before with the i810 driver... can anyone help? |
| 01:08.40 | jonaslund | uhm, how do i control what daemons are started on bootup? like appletalk, nfs,etc ? |
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| 01:08.48 | jonaslund | (ie the proper way to do it) |
| 01:08.54 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 01:08.54 | dpkg | somebody said update-rc.d was used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 01:09.13 | anomic | hi. do you guys know where to ask about laptop mode stuff? does the project have an irc channel (i haven't found one), or can i ask here? |
| 01:09.43 | beardy | anomic: If you are running Debian, you can ask here. |
| 01:09.46 | doub_ | jamesnvc: look for file descriptors it opens, see what they are and maybe with a salt of black magic try to guess which one is responsible? |
| 01:10.00 | jonaslund | beardy: i mean disable them so they won't boot next time |
| 01:10.02 | beardy | anomic: If the thing you are going to ask about are running Debian, that is. |
| 01:10.06 | doub_ | jamesnvc: might be some network connection, or open device |
| 01:10.13 | anomic | beardy: i am. xset dpms xx yy zz works fine. however, setting dpms timeouts in laptop mode does not work |
| 01:10.24 | doub_ | jamesnvc: must admit i dont know stumpwm |
| 01:10.29 | beardy | jonaslund: Yes? Read it all. |
| 01:10.38 | jonaslund | beardy: ah sorry, reading man page now. thanks |
| 01:10.47 | anomic | beardy: i'm not sure how to troubleshoot this, so if you need more info, just let me know how i find it |
| 01:10.52 | beardy | jonaslund: dpkg also gave you an example of removal |
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| 01:11.24 | doub_ | jamesnvc: if you want to be real sure look at it with gdb, but it's a huge effort |
| 01:11.57 | doub_ | jamesnvc: it means recompile with debug symbols on, and maybe if it's in some library recompile library too |
| 01:12.13 | beardy | jonaslund: In Debian, in general though, if you don't want it running, you uninstall it, or don't install it in the first place. |
| 01:12.17 | PapaSmurf | what does it imply if I can ed a file, but I cannot type it? |
| 01:12.28 | doub_ | jamesnvc: might be simpler upgrading or downgrading |
| 01:12.40 | beardy | PapaSmurf: Define "ed". |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | thought beardy was going to sleep |
| 01:12.52 | beardy | PapaSmurf: and "type" |
| 01:12.53 | PapaSmurf | ed as in to edit using ed or red |
| 01:12.59 | beardy | thought so too.. |
| 01:13.04 | PapaSmurf | type as in to list the contents of a file to the console |
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| 01:13.06 | jamesnvc | doub_: Well, I'm trying to look at the backtrace that SBCL gives me, but I might try gdb next |
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| 01:13.23 | Mekham1 | http://digg.com/api/diggthis.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigg.com%2Fpolitics%2FBring_Back_the_Fairness_Doctrine# |
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| 01:13.29 | streuner | beardy: what TZ? |
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| 01:13.45 | beardy | PapaSmurf: You don't have read permission? But then sed can't really work on it, unless blindly, and I don't think it.. does that. |
| 01:13.51 | beardy | streuner: Same as you I think? |
| 01:14.04 | beardy | streuner: CEST |
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| 01:14.20 | doub_ | jamesnvc: or maybe even simpler somebody has already stumbled on your problem and posted a bug report, see bts |
| 01:15.06 | sander | cdrecord -scanbus dosnt display my dvdrom.. how can I scan for devices with cdrdao? |
| 01:15.09 | doub_ | jamesnvc: if not you can try and post one, if you can isolate the reason why it freezes |
| 01:15.33 | PapaSmurf | well, i'm root, and dir -l shows -rw as the permissions string fro the file. I can cp ed not type! I made changes to it, namely etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:15.53 | streuner | sander: did the kernel find your CDROM? |
| 01:16.02 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: When you "type" the file, what error do you get? |
| 01:16.04 | sander | gnomebaker reports a writer with the name TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S183A |
| 01:16.08 | sander | streuner, two sec. |
| 01:16.09 | sessaid | doub_: zythmer Problems fixed. Time go back to what I was doing to do 6 hours ago. Thanks for your help. |
| 01:16.29 | beardy | PapaSmurf: Say "cat" or "view with less", or what you mean instead. |
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| 01:16.43 | jamesnvc | doub_: I've been looking around, but haven't really been able to find a solution. |
| 01:16.44 | doub_ | sessaid: no problem. i've already sent you the bill (just kidding) |
| 01:16.46 | beardy | But answer dendrite please. |
| 01:16.57 | sessaid | doub_: :-) |
| 01:17.12 | jamesnvc | doub_: Unfortunately, I can't relible reproduce the hang... |
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| 01:17.34 | sander | streuner, I cant find anything about my dvdrom in dmesg |
| 01:17.35 | PapaSmurf | when I "type sources.list" i get "-bash: type: sources.list: not found" |
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| 01:17.50 | PapaSmurf | i am in the etc/apt dir |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | PapaSmurf: wtf is 'type' supposed to do? |
| 01:18.02 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: To dump a file, use "cat" |
| 01:18.04 | doub_ | jamesnvc: it sure happens. that's why i was talking about black magic earlier ;) |
| 01:18.05 | anomic | beardy: got any idea? |
| 01:18.07 | sander | streuner, but I dont know if I have the whole bootup log there. |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | !tell PapaSmurf about grounding |
| 01:18.21 | PapaSmurf | type -h |
| 01:18.36 | beardy | PapaSmurf: "type" doesn't exist, that is the error you get when you try to run somethign nonexisting, with an argument. |
| 01:18.37 | streuner | [ 4.161242] hdc: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-S182M, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
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| 01:18.38 | abrotman | PapaSmurf: wrong operating system |
| 01:18.39 | beardy | No. |
| 01:18.49 | dendrite | abrotman: Heh. |
| 01:18.50 | PapaSmurf | ty |
| 01:18.51 | streuner | sander: something like that? ^^^ |
| 01:18.59 | beardy | PapaSmurf: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 01:19.42 | streuner | sander: what does "cat /proc/version" say` |
| 01:19.42 | sander | streuner, nothing like that in messages, syslog or dmesg |
| 01:19.42 | beardy | anomic: Not really no. Please ask the channel, not an individual, good luck. |
| 01:19.45 | jamesnvc | doub_: Yeah...I've thought I fixed it like three times already, as it was running fine for most of a day, then it hangs repeatedly just as I think it's gone :( |
| 01:20.00 | sander | streuner, Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 00:37:55 UTC 2008 |
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| 01:21.08 | sander | streuner, I've had this non working dvdrom for some time now.... never got it working after I bough a new one. |
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| 01:21.34 | streuner | throw it into trash |
| 01:21.46 | enouf | bingo |
| 01:22.00 | streuner | bongo |
| 01:22.05 | sander | streuner, ok.. but what dvdrom should I then buy?.. I need something working. |
| 01:22.06 | enouf | i bet it's a # HL-DT-ST_DVDRAM_GSA-4167B (pci-0000:00:1f.1-ide-0:1) or somecrap |
| 01:22.15 | JyZyXEL | anyone played Continuum in linux? |
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| 01:22.34 | streuner | sander: almost every CD/DVD device just work with linux |
| 01:22.36 | enouf | sander: is it SATA or PATA drive? |
| 01:22.47 | phr3ak | which tool create users with good groups settings like at installation? my problem is the adduser and useradd doesn't add users to audio and other groups by default. |
| 01:22.57 | sander | enouf, its an sata drive |
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| 01:23.08 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.29 | enouf | cdrdao scanbus |
| 01:23.32 | sander | whats "ROM only drive" ? |
| 01:23.42 | enouf | you keep calling it a dvd-rom |
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| 01:23.57 | sander | ah. ok. its an dvd burner |
| 01:24.04 | enouf | it's a dvdrw-ram od somecrap |
| 01:24.14 | sander | cdrado tells me to check http://cdrdao.sourceforge.net/drives.html#dt |
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| 01:24.27 | sander | SM stands for samsung.. right? |
| 01:24.33 | streuner | yes |
| 01:24.42 | enouf | sander: what controller is it attached to? what other SATA and PATA drives are in the system? |
| 01:24.49 | streuner | its a SAMSUNG device |
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| 01:25.16 | enouf | sander: pastebin output of lspci -nn |
| 01:25.20 | jamesnvc | By any chance, would anyone be able to tell me how to increase the resolution of the tty's? |
| 01:25.38 | enouf | jamesnvc: use vga=791 as kernel param |
| 01:25.40 | doub__ | jamesnvc: with the vga= kernel boot parameter maybe? |
| 01:25.42 | enouf | or similar |
| 01:25.44 | beardy | !vesafb |
| 01:25.44 | dpkg | methinks vesafb is crap, if you compile all the lowlevel text drivers as modules, which happens automagically if you have another fb driver selected as a module. |
| 01:26.07 | sander | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1029444 |
| 01:26.11 | asg | jamesnvc: /msg dpkg fbcon resolution |
| 01:26.11 | beardy | Helpful. |
| 01:26.21 | beardy | Yay for asg. |
| 01:26.24 | beardy | goes. |
| 01:26.29 | xingu | wonders why r8169 wants to continuously transmit |
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| 01:26.43 | jamesnvc | asg: Thanks |
| 01:26.44 | sander | enouf, I only have two other sata 500gb drives |
| 01:26.55 | jonaslund | beardy: ah. i've installed it on a slug so i'm really not happy with 28 meg of mem being used after boot :P |
| 01:26.57 | asg | xingu: phoning home? |
| 01:27.01 | jonaslund | beardy: 32 mb installed |
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| 01:27.07 | xingu | asg: probably |
| 01:27.29 | enouf | sander: ok, in your BIOS what mode is the IDE Config set to? Compatibility? Native? AHCI? .. |
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| 01:27.33 | asg | xingu: I've seen systems at work periodically try to send packets to Nortel's older IP space. |
| 01:27.40 | beardy | jonaslund: Well, is that with or without buffers and cache. |
| 01:27.47 | beardy | *gone* |
| 01:28.00 | jonaslund | beardy: without, 1 meg free |
| 01:28.07 | sander | in my fdisk -l I get up alot of other devices I dont know what is.. I suspect its some old usb sticks i've mounted: http://pastebin.ca/1029446 |
| 01:28.13 | debian2_6_24_1am | how can i open an excel doc under linux? |
| 01:28.22 | sander | enouf, I have no idea.. should I reboot to check? |
| 01:28.25 | asg | debian2_6_24_1am: with openoffice.org |
| 01:28.32 | debian2_6_24_1am | ty |
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| 01:29.05 | enouf | sander: yes |
| 01:29.06 | doub_ | sander: maybe you're using lvm? fdisk lists everything in /proc/partitions and lvm devices are in, even if they most often don't have a partition table |
| 01:29.10 | sander | enouf, I dont like to reboot.. but if I have to.. then i'll do it.. whats the diffrence between Compatibility? Native? AHCI? |
| 01:29.29 | sander | doub_, nopes.. I'm not using lvm. |
| 01:29.47 | enouf | sander: grep CHR_DEV_SG /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 01:29.55 | enouf | phone |
| 01:30.05 | sander | CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=m |
| 01:30.07 | asg | enouf: answer it then |
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| 01:30.35 | sander | doub_, yeah.. its my current usb memory stick where only 1 of the partitions is mounted. |
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| 01:32.29 | anomic | i've configured laptop mode to change dpms settings when i'm on battery power, but it doesn't work. setting the options with xset works fine. have any of you guys set up this yourselves? i can't figure it out |
| 01:32.50 | streuner | sander: do you have a LIVE-CD handy? |
| 01:33.38 | sander | streuner, if I have an live cd?.. Maybe I have something 5+ years laying around. |
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| 01:34.01 | asg | anomic: probably because whatever is running the xset commands doesn't have access to your display. |
| 01:34.12 | streuner | ok, just download grml or knoppix then in order to make sure the device isn't broken |
| 01:34.37 | sander | streuner, ok.. but how can I burn it without an working dvdrw? |
| 01:34.43 | streuner | !+tell sander -about grml |
| 01:34.43 | dpkg | told sander about grml. |
| 01:34.59 | streuner | maybe a friend or at work or whatever |
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| 01:35.35 | anomic | asg: laptop mode runs xset. laptop mode runs as root, as far as i know. why shouldn't it be able to run xset? |
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| 01:36.07 | sander | Ok.. But its been so long time.. and a new dvdrw is really cheap.. I think i'll buy a new one. |
| 01:36.27 | doub_ | anomic: because of the immense hidden pleasures with the X security model maybe ? ;) |
| 01:36.45 | anomic | hm. so how do i find out if that's the problem? |
| 01:37.04 | doub_ | anomic: try running any X app as root |
| 01:37.22 | anomic | doub_: i'm running xset as root... |
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| 01:37.29 | anomic | and i can change dpms settings just fine |
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| 01:37.43 | sander | Should I buy "Plextor PX-810SA DVD±RW/DL SATA retail" or "Optiarc AS-7200S DVD±RW 20x - SATA" ? |
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| 01:38.16 | anomic | doub_: seeing as that works, shouldn't laptop mode running xset work as well? |
| 01:38.19 | sander | Or "Samsung DVD-brenner SH-S203 16x SATA" ? |
| 01:38.32 | sander | I think I skip samsung this time.. :-p |
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| 01:39.00 | streuner | hm, my experiences with Samstung (PATA) are very good |
| 01:39.08 | streuner | Samsung* |
| 01:39.27 | sander | What kinda plug does PATA drives have? |
| 01:39.52 | sander | Is PATA the same as old ATA/IDE? |
| 01:39.54 | doub_ | anomic: you're running through sudo or something? |
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| 01:40.22 | doub_ | anomic: sudo takes care of preserving whatever pleases the X server to run as root |
| 01:40.52 | sander | streuner, I want a small plug.. no big ide plug. |
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| 01:41.01 | doub_ | anomic: but root can't barely access an user X session without prior fiddling |
| 01:41.02 | streuner | sander: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT_Attachment |
| 01:41.30 | sander | streuner, what I belived.. |
| 01:41.43 | streuner | sure |
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| 01:43.52 | enouf | asg: thanks for prompting me :-P |
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| 01:44.38 | enouf | sander: ever reboot and see? also, pastebin lsmod output, and cat /proc/scsi/scsi, and cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
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| 01:45.13 | streuner | !beer enouf |
| 01:45.13 | dpkg | pours a pint of Jever for enouf |
| 01:45.36 | streuner | enouf: for the HARD work :-P |
| 01:45.45 | sander | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1029459 |
| 01:45.55 | sessaid | Now that I got my rm / fixed, is there a package that sort of deletes files to a trash directory in stead of completely erasing files? Also, is there a |
| 01:46.03 | enouf | sander: oh, for the stuff i mentioned about compatibility/native/ahci mode see http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ |
| 01:46.18 | enouf | streuner: ;-) |
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| 01:46.27 | sessaid | package that will prevent deletions from a list of directories? |
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| 01:46.58 | sander | enouf, seems like /proc/scsi/scsi finds my dvdrw |
| 01:47.21 | doub_ | sessaid: traditional unix tools have no safety nets whatsoever, that's on purpose |
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| 01:47.41 | doub_ | sessaid: on the flip side it can do much harm |
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| 01:48.20 | doub_ | sessaid: much like wandering around with a chainsaw ;) |
| 01:48.44 | enouf | sander: indeed, as well as ../cdrom/info - and sg, sr_mod, etc modules are loaded - so - tried wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0 ? |
| 01:49.03 | enouf | sander: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/scd0 <--pastebin |
| 01:49.04 | sessaid | doub_: I know, but I don't want the chain saw for now :-) |
| 01:49.08 | debiannewbie | hi where is the database file contains all installed deb packages list? |
| 01:49.32 | sander | wodim -prcap dev=/dev/sr0: wodim: Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder. Errno: 5 (Input/output error), test unit ready scsi sendcmd: fatal error. CDB: 00 00 00 00 00 00. cmd finished after 0.000s timeout 40s |
| 01:49.37 | enouf | sander: sr0 should be a symlink to scd0 |
| 01:49.45 | debiannewbie | I just installed a deb package, but can't uninstall it, always tell me the sub process error.... |
| 01:49.50 | BubbaT | I'm having trouble with kde on my lenny installation.I did an apt-get update yesterday. Now when i try to start kde I get the splash screen and it hangs on the first icon ( interprocess communication). |
| 01:49.55 | abrotman | fix the error .. don't screw up the database |
| 01:49.56 | sander | enouf, yeah.. it is |
| 01:49.58 | enouf | hrm, sander - is any media in the drive? |
| 01:50.14 | sander | enouf, an blank cd |
| 01:50.24 | enouf | sander: file -s /dev/sr0 |
| 01:50.25 | debiannewbie | I have deleted all the files created by the deb tools, but the deb package still contained in the database |
| 01:50.34 | debiannewbie | need help |
| 01:50.38 | doub_ | sessaid: i don't know any sort of command line trash |
| 01:50.43 | sander | enouf: /dev/sr0: symbolic link to `scd0' |
| 01:50.47 | abrotman | fix the error .. don't screw up the database |
| 01:50.58 | enouf | sander: then remove the blank, and try the wodim command again - ok, file -s /dev/scd0 |
| 01:50.59 | doub_ | sessaid: maybe you can make one with a few shell scripts repacing rm with mv |
| 01:51.02 | scatterp | while trying to install in synaptic i keep geting files that 404 is there some way to update it to a list of stuff that works ? |
| 01:51.14 | sander | enouf, /dev/scd0: ERROR: cannot read `�������' (Input/output error) |
| 01:51.15 | debiannewbie | who can help me |
| 01:51.26 | enouf | sander: or put in a good CD, not audio, like an installation cd |
| 01:51.32 | enouf | sander: gah |
| 01:51.38 | enouf | seems like the bus is dead |
| 01:51.47 | sessaid | doub_: thats a good idea, an alias that is only active while I am logged in as root. |
| 01:52.01 | anomic | doub_: i run xset as root |
| 01:52.04 | sander | enouf, nothing changed with the wodim command.. let me put in installation cd |
| 01:52.05 | anomic | using su |
| 01:52.08 | doub_ | sessaid: or find someone who has already done it somewhere on the www |
| 01:52.38 | doub_ | anomic: thats kind of strange |
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| 01:52.58 | doub_ | anomic: anyway you can't do that from a console terminal, right? |
| 01:53.25 | doub_ | anomic: i dont quite remember what's needed to run X programs as root from scratch |
| 01:53.38 | dendrite | debiannewbie: install the package, then uninstall it, using the debian package management tools. |
| 01:53.45 | sander | enouf, now I put in an old Debian 2.2r2 cd.. wodim still fails. |
| 01:53.47 | enouf | sander: also - pastebin output of ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host/* |
| 01:53.54 | Fryguy-- | is this the best source for a lenny netinst disc? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:54.00 | doub_ | anomic: does it work with "su -" ? |
| 01:54.02 | enouf | wow, sander try file -s /dev/scd0 |
| 01:54.14 | sander | enouf, /dev/scd0: ERROR: cannot read `ֿֿ>���T��' (Input/output error) |
| 01:54.25 | enouf | sander: yeah, something is amuck |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | Fryguy--: yes |
| 01:54.33 | enouf | sander: pastebin output of ls -l /sys/class/scsi_host/* |
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| 01:54.40 | doub_ | anomic: maybe have the DISPLAY environment variable set right? plus Xauthority file |
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| 01:54.45 | streuner | Fryguy--: why do you want a beta installer? |
| 01:54.48 | sander | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/1029466 |
| 01:55.02 | anomic | doub_: pretty sure laptop mode should work out the box |
| 01:55.06 | anomic | something's wrong here |
| 01:55.07 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I know that , but the apt-get displayed like "sub process error..." |
| 01:55.09 | Fryguy-- | streuner: I don't necessarily want a beta installer. I'm just looking for a netinst disk for lenny or sid |
| 01:55.15 | anomic | doub_: let me try with su - real quick... |
| 01:55.20 | debiannewbie | dendrite: and cant uninstall |
| 01:55.32 | anomic | doub_: doesn't work with "su -" |
| 01:55.36 | streuner | Fryguy--: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 01:55.39 | dendrite | debiannewbie: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 01:55.48 | doub_ | anomic: so it has something to do with the environment variables |
| 01:55.55 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I have deleted the files, I also wan't deleted the package name from the database |
| 01:56.09 | debiannewbie | dendrite: reinstall it? |
| 01:56.13 | Fryguy-- | streuner: I'm well aware of what sid is, |
| 01:56.18 | dendrite | debiannewbie: If you try to directly edit the package database, you will utterly destroy your system. |
| 01:56.34 | dendrite | debiannewbie: Yes, reinstall, *then* properly remove. |
| 01:56.36 | debiannewbie | dendrite: after reinstallation the deb tools also can't uninstall it |
| 01:56.36 | anomic | doub_: might very well. got any idea how to fix? |
| 01:56.41 | streuner | Fryguy--: fine :-) - did you read <sid faq> yet? |
| 01:56.42 | doub_ | anomic: the usual Xauthority file is in $HOME so if it gets changed by 'su -' root wont know where to find your X server |
| 01:56.48 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I have try that |
| 01:56.51 | Fryguy-- | streuner: yes i've read it before |
| 01:56.54 | dendrite | debiannewbie: Did you run apt-get install --reinstall <package> ?? |
| 01:56.55 | streuner | ok |
| 01:57.01 | Fryguy-- | i've been involved in debian off an on for several years now |
| 01:57.05 | sander | streuner, any point in rebooting an checking my bios? |
| 01:57.08 | sander | enouf, |
| 01:57.13 | Fryguy-- | it's the system I learned linux on 6 years ago |
| 01:57.14 | doub_ | anomic: as to fixing laptop mode precicely i dont quite know |
| 01:57.22 | doub_ | anomic: its all about shell scripts right? |
| 01:57.32 | anomic | doub_: pretty much, yea |
| 01:57.41 | streuner | Fryguy--: hm, i used the latest installer some months ago, it just worked fine |
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| 01:57.58 | debiannewbie | dendrite: can't you tell me whereis the location of the package database? I just want know where is it |
| 01:58.20 | dendrite | debiannewbie: What, exactly, are you trying to do? |
| 01:58.20 | doub_ | anomic: maybe fixing them with the right DISPLAY and symlinking $HOME/.Xauthority to /root |
| 01:58.21 | anomic | doub_: maybe changing the dpms script around a bit |
| 01:58.30 | doub_ | anomic: but that's very quick and dirty |
| 01:58.43 | doub_ | anomic: i've been told it creates security holes and the like |
| 01:58.44 | Fryguy-- | i guess i'll just installed stable from official install media and upgrade it manually. Would be good to get back into the flow of the debian way of things again anyway, since I haven't used debian proper in quite a while |
| 01:58.48 | enouf | sander: ok, here's the deal - i want to tell you to try echo "- - -" /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (to try and reset the Bus) , BUT, if your HDD is also on that host#, that'll be bad, so, check to see 'which' SATA Chipset and port your DVDRW drive is connected to (phsically look in the case, review Mobo Manual, check BIOS) and also - find out your BIOS settings for IDE and SATA Config - please pastebin cat /var/log/dmesg prior to doing th |
| 01:58.50 | doub_ | anomic: but i'm no X expert |
| 01:58.53 | debiannewbie | I want to know where is the deb package database's location. |
| 01:58.55 | enouf | so we can compare |
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| 01:59.40 | sander | enouf, Last thing I saw was "cat /var/log/dmesg prior to doing t" |
| 01:59.41 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I want to see what's the contents of the database, I think I can modify the database manually |
| 02:00.16 | enouf | sander: here's some info about what i said about echo - http://www-941.ibm.com/collaboration/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3625 - i said "please pastebin cat /var/log/dmesg prior to doing that -" "so we can compare" |
| 02:00.18 | doub_ | anomic: or better yet, instead of permitting root to access X, you can su to your username for xset |
| 02:00.24 | doub_ | anomic: might work better this way |
| 02:00.32 | sander | enouf, I have no clue what an host # is. |
| 02:00.34 | dendrite | debiannewbie: Sorry, I'm not going to help you do something that I think is likely to end badly. |
| 02:00.36 | doub_ | anomic: after all the user owns the display, not root |
| 02:01.14 | enouf | sander: you pastebin shows /host0 , /host1 , /host3 , /host13, etc |
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| 02:01.40 | doub_ | anomic: but im only speculating here, anyway |
| 02:01.53 | streuner | Fryguy--: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 02:01.57 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I know how to fix the problem in correct way, this is a testing machine, |
| 02:02.03 | streuner | Fryguy--: read the last sentence |
| 02:02.08 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I know you means, thanks |
| 02:02.09 | enouf | sander: sorry, i mean ../host0 1 2 3 and 14 |
| 02:02.33 | enouf | sander: see them ? http://pastebin.ca/raw/1029466 |
| 02:02.44 | sander | enouf, ok.. and I have 4 sata devices.. 2x sata disks.. 1 dvdrw.. and one memory stick.. last one is? |
| 02:03.07 | Fryguy-- | streuner: yah I see that. I've also seen some unofficial cd images floating around in the past, which is why i was asking for either testing or sid |
| 02:03.09 | scatterp | while trying to install in synaptic i keep geting files that 404 is there some way to update it to a list of stuff that works ? |
| 02:03.27 | enouf | sander: the USB one - /sys/class/scsi_host/host14: |
| 02:03.42 | enouf | sander: device -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/host14 |
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| 02:03.52 | sander | Yeah. that makes sense |
| 02:04.08 | enouf | getting me dmesg? |
| 02:04.10 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I think the database must be under /var, but I don't know the sub directory |
| 02:04.32 | abrotman | debiannewbie: STOP |
| 02:04.45 | sander | enouf, well... I dont know if my hdd also is on that host# |
| 02:04.48 | dendrite | debiannewbie: Maybe you should install LFS, or Slakware, or something. |
| 02:04.52 | enouf | sander: getting me dmesg? |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | debiannewbie: you're trying to do something which potentially could hose your system .. FIX IT THE RIGHT WAY |
| 02:05.16 | sander | enouf, let me see if I find the manual. |
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| 02:05.33 | debiannewbie | dendrite: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:05.55 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I have reinstall it, but the dpkg still display that |
| 02:05.59 | enouf | sander: i can't tell either, although your dvdrw seems to be in scsi 3 from the /proc/scsi/scsi info - maybe lsscsi command can be of more use - also dmesg |
| 02:06.05 | abrotman | debiannewbie: paste the whole error |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 02:06.10 | debiannewbie | dendrite: I know the correct way |
| 02:06.10 | anomic | doub_: the dpms script specifies which monitor to use with xset -d |
| 02:06.13 | dendrite | debiannewbie: That's when you install the package? Using the command I gave you, including --reinstall ? |
| 02:06.14 | anomic | doub_: so that's not it |
| 02:06.34 | sander | enouf, its host number 0 or 3.. dont know from which side to start. |
| 02:06.35 | debiannewbie | dendrite: yes apt-get install --reinstall |
| 02:06.54 | debiannewbie | dendrite: the installation is very well , but can't be uninstall |
| 02:06.55 | dendrite | debiannewbie: OK, do pastebin the entire error, including the command you ran. |
| 02:07.05 | debiannewbie | ok |
| 02:07.56 | sander | enouf, [0:0:0:0] disk ATA SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR10 /dev/sda, [1:0:0:0] disk ATA SAMSUNG HD501LJ CR10 /dev/sdb, [3:0:0:0] cd/dvd TSSTcorp CD/DVDW SH-S183A SB02 /dev/scd0, [14:0:0:0] disk Alcor Flash Disk 8.00 /dev/sdc |
| 02:08.14 | sander | enouf, so its #3 as you said.. |
| 02:08.48 | doub_ | anomic: but if for some reason the environment isnt setup correctly at the time the script calls xset, it will do something to the effect of 'xset: unable to open display ""' |
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| 02:08.58 | doub_ | anomic: if the script is run as root that is |
| 02:09.00 | sander | enouf, echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host3/scan ? |
| 02:09.14 | sander | you didnt say anything about ">" |
| 02:09.19 | sander | enouf, |
| 02:09.26 | abrotman | enouf: |
| 02:09.36 | doub_ | anomic: as i told you "root" has no implicit right to access your user X session |
| 02:10.03 | doub_ | anomic: it can do it, but only with $DISPLAY set correctly and the right authorization from X |
| 02:10.11 | anomic | doub_: i tested the same command that's in the script. it works fine |
| 02:10.16 | debiannewbie | dendrite: hi, this is the whole info: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/7023 |
| 02:10.20 | doub_ | anomic: that usually means access to the $HOME/.Xauthority file |
| 02:10.20 | anomic | xset -d :0 works just fine |
| 02:10.21 | enouf | sander: seems like 3 |
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| 02:10.29 | anomic | and i used "su -" |
| 02:10.36 | sander | enouf, is that the right command? |
| 02:11.00 | sander | enouf, I dont want to do it wrong :-p |
| 02:11.10 | enouf | sander: but i don't want to be responsible for crashing your system - it's up to you entirely, |
| 02:11.18 | sander | Yeah.. sure. |
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| 02:11.26 | Dutchy | does apt have some sort of reverse dependency checker? somehow i managed to install various x11 parts on my server, and it's causing a dist-upgrade to install even more |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | !tell debiannewbie about confmiss |
| 02:11.35 | doub_ | anomic: well i must admit im lost then |
| 02:11.35 | enouf | sander: yes, echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host3/scan would be for that |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | Dutchy: apt-cache rdepends <pkg> |
| 02:11.48 | debiannewbie | I have said: I know the corrcet debian way, but the correct way can't resolve my problem, so I want to find the way by manually..... |
| 02:11.51 | Dutchy | thanks |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | apparently you don't know the correct way |
| 02:12.08 | debiannewbie | abrotman: ?? |
| 02:12.15 | abrotman | debiannewbie: !! |
| 02:12.26 | markybob | look at confmiss, like he said |
| 02:12.28 | dendrite | debiannewbie: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:12.47 | sander | enouf, takes a very long time.. |
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| 02:13.16 | sander | enouf, here it comes: http://pastebin.ca/1029485 |
| 02:13.17 | enouf | sander: hrm - where's dmesg? |
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| 02:14.28 | anomic | doub_: seems the script also takes on the privileges of the user running X. so it should work either way |
| 02:14.31 | enouf | and that IBM url i gave you tells you how to determine exactly which /host# is to which device |
| 02:15.08 | enouf | haha 18. scsi 3:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device <--ruh roh :-P |
| 02:15.10 | doub_ | anomic: your problem might be related to laptop mode suspending dpms or something |
| 02:15.29 | doub_ | anomic: there's much black magic related to laptop mode AFAIK |
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| 02:15.47 | doub_ | anomic: or little tweaks hard to follow |
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| 02:16.03 | debiannewbie | ok thanks to dendrite and abrotman |
| 02:16.27 | Dutchy | abrotman: that command almost does what i want, but i'd like to know with what package it was installed, pretty much an rdepends only for installed packages, is that possible? |
| 02:16.41 | sander | enouf, does it means my dvdrw is fucked up? :-p |
| 02:17.01 | enouf | could be |
| 02:17.07 | enouf | sander: hrm - where's dmesg? |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | Dutchy: you're trying to find out why a package was installed .. as a dependency? |
| 02:17.18 | sander | enouf, that was the dmsg |
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| 02:17.25 | dendrite | debiannewbie: I take it that helped. Remember that the single biggest advantage that Debian gives is it's advanced package management. If you start just deleting stuff instead of using the package management system, you're almost certainly going down the wrong road. |
| 02:17.28 | enouf | what was? |
| 02:17.33 | doub_ | anomic: last time i tried i spent much time trying to get it to work before giving up, cos it was missing the right tweaks for my specific hardware |
| 02:17.38 | sander | http://pastebin.ca/1029485 <-- |
| 02:17.43 | doub_ | anomic: iirc |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | dendrite: i don't think he really cares .. at all .. but don't worry .. he knows how to fix it correctly |
| 02:17.52 | enouf | no it's not - that's a piece of dmesg |
| 02:18.11 | dendrite | abrotman: Right, right. Maybe I'll PM him and ask for lessons. |
| 02:18.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:18.27 | doub_ | anomic: maybe ask the script makers, they shall know better |
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| 02:18.47 | enouf | " please pastebin cat /var/log/dmesg prior to doing that" |
| 02:18.56 | dendrite | doub_: They shell know better? =) |
| 02:18.59 | enouf | what about that is unclear? |
| 02:19.13 | doub_ | dendrite: or the opposite ;) |
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| 02:19.16 | anomic | doub_: yea. that's just one guy, so i'd feel kinda bad bothering him. pity there's no support channel for the project |
| 02:19.39 | doub_ | dendrite: im not native english, sorry |
| 02:19.50 | simonrvn | dendrite: *groan* |
| 02:19.53 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:19.56 | sander | enouf, here both those things comes: http://pastebin.ca/1029491 |
| 02:20.10 | dendrite | doub_: Oh, sorry, puns are unfair in that case... |
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| 02:20.29 | dendrite | tries to come up with a case where they ARE fair... |
| 02:20.33 | simonrvn | neither am i, but i got it |
| 02:20.36 | sander | enouf, first comes dmesg |
| 02:20.43 | sander | then the log file of dmesg |
| 02:21.02 | doub_ | trys hard to understand that whole fairness thing for years, yet to no avail |
| 02:21.03 | Dutchy | abrotman: yes, i at least x11-common installed, and i could remove that, but i'd prefer to know how it came here... if i apt-get remove it it shows a list of packages that will also be removed, but what im looking for is maybe some sort of dependency tree? if thats possible? |
| 02:21.11 | enouf | Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware <--erm, whas thAT? |
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| 02:21.55 | enouf | yes ata4 corresponds with scsi3 ata4.00: ATAPI: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-S183A, SB02, max UDMA/33 |
| 02:22.00 | sander | enouf, I can tell you that ALOT of other people have tried out whats wrong with this dvdrw rom the last half year.. none came up with that echo "- - -" thingie :-) |
| 02:22.03 | doub_ | dendrite: well anyway, puns are part of the game i guess |
| 02:22.06 | simonrvn | enouf: paravirtualisation support, such as xen or kvm |
| 02:22.15 | sander | *tried to find whats wrong* |
| 02:22.23 | enouf | simonrvn: i know :-/ |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | Dutchy: IIRC there's a method to get 'dotty' output .. likely 'xorg' installed it |
| 02:22.40 | simonrvn | debian kernels enable it |
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| 02:22.59 | dendrite | Is Xen sorted out in Lenny? |
| 02:23.02 | simonrvn | though i think it's just for clients VOSes |
| 02:23.12 | simonrvn | client |
| 02:23.15 | doub_ | dendrite: it's like a "rite de passage" as we say around here ;) |
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| 02:23.30 | Dutchy | abrotman: thats the fun part, xorg didnt install it, xorg isnt installed at all |
| 02:23.31 | doub_ | dendrite: don't know how to say in english |
| 02:23.40 | simonrvn | apt-cache dotty IIRC |
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| 02:23.56 | markybob | !fr |
| 02:23.56 | dpkg | methinks fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:24.10 | doub_ | markybob: i know, thanks |
| 02:24.24 | abrotman | Dutchy: are you using aptitude or apt-get ? |
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| 02:25.16 | Dutchy | abrotman: apt-get |
| 02:25.54 | PapaSmurf | I am trying to apt-get update in an effort to update my sources-list. is this correct? |
| 02:25.59 | abrotman | Dutchy: you could paste it and i could check .. i can't think of an automated way to see |
| 02:26.39 | doub_ | dendrite: well maybe trying to explain for english speakers "rite" is ritual that's mandatory to be accepted by some kind of comunity or whatever |
| 02:26.45 | simonrvn | PapaSmurf: experiences and the manual page would say yes |
| 02:26.56 | doub_ | 's going OT real fast |
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| 02:27.07 | Dutchy | abrotman: what could i paste, exactly? |
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| 02:27.18 | abrotman | Dutchy: the list of packages it tries to remove |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | !paste |
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| 02:27.22 | sander | enouf, getting any wiser? |
| 02:27.41 | dendrite | doub_: Yeah, more or less translates literally. I mainly haven't remarked because, well, the subject has wandered a bit too far off topic for the channel... |
| 02:28.01 | enouf | sander: one more option; --> PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report <--but again, i'd like you to review what i said about Mobo/BIOS settings, and chipset/port hookups, enable AHCI mode if you can (as it should appear in dmesg if enabled) |
| 02:28.12 | simonrvn | doub_: there's an equivalent idiom, "rite of passage" |
| 02:28.13 | PapaSmurf | simonrvn, i thought so, but it is giving me a err Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org' |
| 02:28.51 | enouf | sander: is that amd64 arch debian? or i386? |
| 02:28.52 | markybob | you should get a new dns server :P |
| 02:28.53 | PapaSmurf | Could someone give me one good known line for the sources.list file pleae? |
| 02:28.58 | simonrvn | PapaSmurf: try again in a few minutes |
| 02:29.06 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 02:29.06 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:29.26 | doub_ | simonrvn: quite the same in fact |
| 02:29.29 | PapaSmurf | ty |
| 02:29.36 | sander | enouf, its i386 |
| 02:29.49 | sander | enouf, is amd64 arch debian alot faster? |
| 02:29.56 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: That error means your DNS (translates names into network numbers) system is having issues. Such issues often work themselves out in a few minutes. |
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| 02:29.59 | jello | hi all |
| 02:30.03 | jello | i have a thinkpad t61, and sound works when i first boot up, but alsa doesn't find the sound card after hibernate/resume. any ideas? |
| 02:30.05 | Dutchy | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/4202/ if i had to guess it was php5-gd that installed it, but what i find weird is that links2 also depends on it |
| 02:30.06 | sander | enouf, on my AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ |
| 02:30.43 | doub_ | jello: lack of suspend/resume in the alsa driver maybe? |
| 02:30.50 | enouf | sander: no no, just wondering, i386 should be fine for Desktop use |
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| 02:30.55 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: Unless you've messed with something and broken your DNS, that is... |
| 02:31.08 | abrotman | Dutchy: the x11-common is pretty basic stuff .. the gd2 stuff is graphics junk and very well could have pulled it |
| 02:31.10 | jello | doub_: possible, istr this working previously, but maybe just wishful thinking... |
| 02:31.23 | sander | enouf, where should I put pci=routeirq ?.. somewhere in /boot/grub/menu.lst ?.. dont want to mess this up. |
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| 02:31.35 | abrotman | you could modprobe -r the alsa stuff on suspend and remodprobe after ? |
| 02:31.35 | enouf | sander: IOW, sometimes there are weird bugs with the amd64 kernel vs the i386 one, and certain Boot kernel params apply moreso to the amd64 one |
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| 02:31.48 | jello | doub_: also, can't seem to remove the loaded modules so i can retry... |
| 02:31.54 | sander | enouf, ok. |
| 02:32.07 | enouf | sander: yes, like so; root=/dev/sda1 ro pci=routeirq |
| 02:32.13 | doub_ | jello: might as well be a regression with the newer one? ive been told it happens sometimes |
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| 02:32.46 | sander | enouf, then i'll reboot and check.. brb. |
| 02:32.56 | enouf | sander: there are others to try like perhaps pci=nommconfig , but really , these should be toyed with after you negotitate correct AHCI and BIOS settings |
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| 02:33.05 | PapaSmurf | dendrite, thank you, I guess because of the hole and all its overloaded. I just thought it was my setup because I've been getting the error all day. |
| 02:33.10 | enouf | for IDE Config and SATA Config controllers |
| 02:33.25 | doub_ | jello: if you mean it was working with another kernel that is |
| 02:33.26 | enouf | sander: ok |
| 02:33.40 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: If you've been getting that error all day, then something is wrong. |
| 02:33.52 | PapaSmurf | dendrite, and, I already ran update once already and no changes are made to my sources list. |
| 02:33.52 | abrotman | jello: did you check the thinkwiki ? |
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| 02:33.56 | jello | doub_: yeah, it's all fuzzy, so i don't recall |
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| 02:34.02 | jello | abrotman: yeah, no mention |
| 02:34.23 | dendrite | Have you edited any other config files? That error is actually not an apt-get error, but a resolver error. |
| 02:34.35 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: ^^ |
| 02:34.41 | abrotman | votes for unloading before suspend and reloading after coming back |
| 02:34.43 | jello | it's funny, it's listed in /proc/alsa/cards |
| 02:34.58 | jello | abrotman: that's the problem, it won't let me unload... |
| 02:35.05 | jello | now, at least... |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | before suspend ? |
| 02:35.17 | jello | maybe before suspend will work |
| 02:35.26 | jello | i'm already doing that for the madwifi drivers |
| 02:35.29 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: What happens if you run "ping -c 1 google.com" ? |
| 02:35.33 | doub_ | jello: some app locking the driver maybe? |
| 02:35.35 | enouf | jello: checkout what /etc/default/alsa says |
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| 02:35.57 | enouf | force_unload_modules_before_suspend="" ?? |
| 02:36.03 | jello | enouf: interesting... nothing in the force option |
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| 02:36.31 | enouf | hrm, says apmd only though :-/ |
| 02:36.48 | jello | yeah, no help there... |
| 02:37.01 | PapaSmurf | dendrite, i get a respons after a few seconds. only 1 though, which makes sense they have it throttled. |
| 02:37.03 | enouf | maybe you need to look at the acpi-support scripts |
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| 02:37.20 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: No, the -c 1 did the one only. |
| 02:37.35 | jello | enouf: i can do it in /etc/hibernate/common.conf |
| 02:37.39 | doub_ | jello: might be worth trying with a fresher or older kernel, too, at some time |
| 02:37.41 | jello | i just have to list them all out... |
| 02:37.53 | PapaSmurf | dendrite, I'm getting someothing, now, waiting for headers, its resolving to an ip addy, but connection failed IP 128.30.2.36 |
| 02:37.54 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: So you can resolve google.com, but not security.debian.org ... |
| 02:38.04 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: Ah, OK, good. |
| 02:38.24 | jello | doub_: thing is, proper support only started in 2.6.25. before that had to compile alsa modules |
| 02:38.25 | enouf | jello: hrm, i'm not familiar with the suspend/hibernate.laptop stuff :-/ .. also see thnkwiki.org for ideas? I gotta eat now |
| 02:38.28 | PapaSmurf | sodio, maybe just all is overloaded these past two days? |
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| 02:38.45 | jello | enouf: checked there already, thanks. enjoy dinner (?) |
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| 02:39.15 | jello | doub_: maybe i'll try going back to alsa modules... |
| 02:39.32 | dendrite | PapaSmurf: High traffic is possible. |
| 02:39.40 | markybob | PapaSmurf, traceroute 128.31.0.36 makes it to MIT? |
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| 02:40.37 | PapaSmurf | dendrite, it's on its third get here, tyring to get 2 Packages...I will route to that addy when it gives up. It's on security.debian.org which has not been successful at all |
| 02:41.04 | doub_ | jello: they're still doing out-kernel ones? thought they hard merged to the main tree with the 2.6 series? |
| 02:41.33 | jello | doub_: it merged, but they release more often than the kernel |
| 02:41.56 | markybob | all four security servers are connecting fine here |
| 02:41.57 | Vicfred | hi, i just installed debian but when i rebooted to starting to use it i got no graphical interface i says it's bad configurated |
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| 02:42.02 | jello | doub_: see the alsa-source pkg |
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| 02:42.11 | Vicfred | it says* |
| 02:42.35 | sparr | how can i forcibly break a process' file lock? in the same way as removing the volume containing the file, but without doing that. |
| 02:43.35 | doub_ | Vicfred: if you're lucky running "dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg" as root might put X back |
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| 02:44.30 | Vicfred | ok ill try that if it doesnt work i'll be back |
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| 02:46.46 | jello | hmm |
| 02:46.46 | jello | unloading upon suspend seems to help... |
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| 02:48.23 | abrotman | crappy workaround |
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| 02:51.20 | PapaSmurf | markybob, it got there on the thir dry in 11 ms |
| 02:52.13 | PapaSmurf | markybob, and fifth...should I add that line to my sources.list file, and if so, should I say the etch part as well? |
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| 02:55.29 | Vicfred | doub_, it looks like it doesnt worked |
| 02:56.30 | abrotman | Vicfred: how did you install X? |
| 02:56.44 | abrotman | Vicfred: and what's your video card? |
| 02:57.22 | Vicfred | abrotman, i have a xfx 8800 gs xxx, and it is a fresh install it never worked ;_; |
| 02:57.39 | abrotman | nvidia ? |
| 02:57.44 | Vicfred | yes |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | are you using nv or nvidia ? |
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| 02:58.59 | Vicfred | huh? are you talking about a driver? |
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| 03:00.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:00.02 | |Ryan52 | What does "exists:%{l}.%{i}._spf.domain.com" mean in an SPF TXT record? |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | Vicfred: or visa ? |
| 03:01.27 | Vicfred | im not using a driver cause it has never worked, when i rebooted after install the system from a dvd it didn't even show me the login screen so i have not installed anything |
| 03:01.41 | abrotman | you are using some driver |
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| 03:02.07 | Vicfred | ic, what driver install the dvd? |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:03.17 | |Ryan52 | oh, nvm. I see what was intended with that...too bad nobody uses it... |
| 03:03.20 | scatter | can some one please tell me what to do with synaptic so it does not get 404s when trying to install various packages ? |
| 03:03.33 | |Ryan52 | scatter: update package lists |
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| 03:03.51 | Vicfred | how do i look that on the no-grafical interface? |
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| 03:04.07 | scatter | |Ryan52 [root@andLinux etc]# update package lists |
| 03:04.08 | scatter | -bash: update: command not found |
| 03:04.17 | |Ryan52 | scatter: sudo apt-get update |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | Vicfred: more /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:04.41 | Vicfred | ok brb i'll try it |
| 03:04.43 | |Ryan52 | scatter: (you said in synaptic...so I meant click the update button...but CLI works too..) |
| 03:04.54 | scatter | ok didnt see a button |
| 03:04.56 | scatter | i did look |
| 03:05.02 | |Ryan52 | scatter: oh, its called reload... |
| 03:05.10 | scatter | urg |
| 03:05.21 | scatter | some one shoot who ever gave it that name lol |
| 03:05.59 | abrotman | button ? |
| 03:06.24 | scatter | thanks much better :) |
| 03:06.25 | abrotman | |Ryan52: fyi .. not everyone has sudo |
| 03:06.38 | scatter | abrotman i was already root heh |
| 03:06.44 | |Ryan52 | abrotman: I know...but most people know what it is...and its out of habit. |
| 03:06.47 | scatter | ill get it anyhow |
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| 03:06.58 | abrotman | |Ryan52: he didn't even know apt-get ... |
| 03:07.32 | scatter | i got sudo.. |
| 03:07.41 | BLUG_Fred | morning guys! Was wondering whether debian had a 'translation repository' where one could find po files (like gnome has) or ...? |
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| 03:08.12 | scatter | abrotman i know it its just i am vauge about it i was concerned doing stuff with apt get might desync synaptic and create confusion about whats installed so avoided doing it |
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| 03:11.46 | sander__ | enouf, I managed to see my burning device with cdrecord -scanbus now. |
| 03:12.04 | enouf | sander__: oh yeah? what did you change? |
| 03:12.08 | sander__ | After I added that line to my grubb config |
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| 03:12.29 | Vicfred | abrotman, im using "nv" driver |
| 03:12.38 | sander__ | enouf, I also booted up again without that grubb config thingie.. and it works now too.. |
| 03:12.52 | enouf | sander__: ya know? you have tons of those USB ttyACM0 and1 intermingled with your bus errors - so |
| 03:13.29 | enouf | sander__: i'm thinking two things, but 1st, do; sdparm -a /dev/scd0 (install sdparm if needed) |
| 03:13.37 | sander__ | enouf, But some way I upgraded my xorg some time ago.. and when I now rebooted.. I couldnt get into X. |
| 03:13.53 | enouf | sander__: and grep USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 03:14.56 | sander__ | enouf, I need X to pastebin that |
| 03:15.29 | enouf | sander__: i see, well, you don't but - just tell me if it's kicking out a bunch of info - or failing |
| 03:15.50 | sander__ | enouf, its kicking out alot of info. |
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| 03:15.53 | enouf | however, since wodim and cdrdao see your drive, i expect sdparm to work |
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| 03:16.08 | enouf | so, not really applicable anymore now ;-) |
| 03:16.35 | enouf | sander__: well, try burning something - what's file -s /dev/scd0 say now with a good CD in |
| 03:16.37 | sander__ | yeah.. sdparm works.. what was the wodim line again? |
| 03:16.51 | enouf | wodim -prcap dev=/dev/scd0 |
| 03:17.46 | scatter | abrotman / |Ryan52 could you help me with squid ? |
| 03:18.04 | sander__ | enouf, file -s gives me the cd label.. seems to work now :-) |
| 03:18.11 | Dad__ | How can I search for a text string in all the files on my hard drive, including binary and hidden? |
| 03:18.45 | scatter | cat *.* |
| 03:18.49 | scatter | in all folders some how |
| 03:18.50 | sander__ | enouf, wodim also gives me alot of info |
| 03:18.51 | scatter | and pipe to grep |
| 03:18.54 | scatter | hmm |
| 03:19.10 | sander__ | enouf, does this mean there is some kinda bug? |
| 03:19.11 | scatter | i think grep does it Dad__ |
| 03:19.29 | enouf | wodim -scanbus, cdrdao scanbus, etc -- note, if you have older 'cdrecord' installs, you should --purge remove them, i happen to have some custom like that installed in /usr/local/ .. and if you do echo $PATH, you'll note /usr/local/ comes first, hence those custom binaries (if any are used) instead of ones in /bin, /usr/bin, etc |
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| 03:20.05 | enouf | sander__: perhaps, sure - i'd still like to know your BIOS settings, and i wonder if just rebooting fixed it - say, if you made no changes |
| 03:20.06 | sander__ | enouf, no.. I cleaned up /usr/local when I upgraded to lenny |
| 03:20.07 | scatter | Dad__ grep mytext -r |
| 03:20.08 | scatter | try that |
| 03:20.23 | scatterp | can any one help me set up squid ? |
| 03:20.32 | enouf | sander__: ok, grreat, was just notciing much earlier you said cdrecord specifically over wodim |
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| 03:21.14 | sander__ | enouf, yeah.. thats the command I remember. But they all works now. |
| 03:21.15 | enouf | sander__: well - i would certainly report a bug, especially after how many months of ugh!? ;-) |
| 03:21.43 | enouf | sander__: i guess just rebooting never did anything, correct? without the pci=routeirq , correct? |
| 03:21.50 | sander__ | enouf, but what should I write in this bug report? |
| 03:21.58 | enouf | sander__: you should now also take a snapshot of dmesg and compare to older ones |
| 03:22.49 | sander__ | enouf, I first enabled pci=routeirq.. and I saw the burning device.. I then removed the pci=routeirq.. and the burning device still works. |
| 03:23.13 | Dad__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.40 | enouf | sander__: i'm not even sure .. but the line specifically asks that you report it ;-) --> PCI: If a device doesn't work, try "pci=routeirq". If it helps, post a report <--- ..erm, are you saying you rebooted twice now? once with pci=routeirq, and this time now, without? |
| 03:24.00 | sander__ | enouf, yes! |
| 03:24.27 | enouf | sander__: ok, i'm leaning to your USB _SUSPEND (and all those ttyACM0 connects/disconnects) getting in the way |
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| 03:24.43 | enouf | and borking hte BUS and scsi subsystem |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | Vicfred: tried the vesa driver? |
| 03:24.56 | cvn | hi how do i set my apache such that only 1 ip will work? my server having 2 ips both work with apache |
| 03:25.26 | sander__ | enouf, but I need X working before I can do anything of this.. and I also need the dmesg logs from the pastebin back.. |
| 03:25.32 | Vicfred | abrotman, how do i do that? replace the "nv" with "vesa"? |
| 03:25.38 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:25.48 | Vicfred | abrotman, ok brb |
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| 03:26.08 | enouf | about that. see http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/14/187 and the link poisted within http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html -- but please, do this; grep USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 03:26.41 | sander__ | enouf, yeah.. it displays "y" |
| 03:26.51 | enouf | sander__: i have no idea why X is now not working - are you using a 3D Driver? |
| 03:27.12 | sander__ | enouf, i'm using an radeon driver.. |
| 03:27.48 | enouf | ok, yeah, USB_SUSPEND=y can be bad .. not sure what's up with that nowadays, nor how if any chnages were made, if they propogated into your .24.1 debian kernel |
| 03:27.50 | sander__ | It says: No matching device section for instance (Busid PCI:6:0:1) found |
| 03:28.02 | enouf | sander__: the Xorg radeon? |
| 03:28.06 | sander__ | yeah |
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| 03:28.10 | enouf | or the ATi oone? ok |
| 03:28.51 | sander__ | I have an ati sapphire X550 slient card. |
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| 03:29.06 | enouf | sander__: yeah, there's some ACPI/AHCI/ Bus allocation assignment going on - but you now have no kernel boot params anymore, so this is odd - do drxx for X |
| 03:29.10 | enouf | !drxx |
| 03:29.11 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 03:29.25 | enouf | sander__: did you ever check your BIOS settings? |
| 03:29.48 | enouf | sander__: well, if xorg 'radeon' worked fine before, it should now |
| 03:29.52 | sander__ | enouf, I tried to find the settings in my bios.. without luck. |
| 03:30.09 | enouf | sander__: ouch! .. what motherboard is that?" |
| 03:30.19 | sander__ | enouf: I actually already did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. |
| 03:30.34 | enouf | sander__: lshal | less , or dmidecode (install it) for mobo info |
| 03:30.39 | enouf | sander__: no good? |
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| 03:30.50 | enouf | sander__: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:31.27 | sander__ | enouf, lshal or dmidecode gives alot of info. |
| 03:31.37 | enouf | i know. hence | less |
| 03:31.41 | enouf | or grep |
| 03:31.51 | sander__ | grep for what :-p |
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| 03:32.03 | sander__ | that grep EE gives nothing |
| 03:32.14 | sander__ | Ops.. I get something |
| 03:32.37 | enouf | sander__: you don't know your motherboard make/model ? |
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| 03:32.49 | sander__ | (EE) SCreen 0 deleted because of no matching config section |
| 03:33.26 | sander__ | (EE) Device(s) detected, but none matched those in the config file |
| 03:33.40 | enouf | sander__: hrm, does drxx ask you about screen? you might need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand .. why now? no clue, but upgrading could cause it |
| 03:34.07 | enouf | sander__: look for a Backup file in /etc/X11/xorg.DATE-HERE |
| 03:34.14 | scatterp | can any one help me set up squid i have it installed i had an error about hostname i set one and now it seems to run and exit with no output ports not listening... |
| 03:34.49 | enouf | sander__: i'm thinking you upgraded, and had NOT rebooted in a long time, now you got the Xorg bug too - congratulations :-P |
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| 03:35.07 | enouf | !win sander__ |
| 03:35.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, sander__! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
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| 03:35.38 | sander__ | Hehe |
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| 03:35.49 | sander__ | I cant find drxx |
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| 03:36.00 | enouf | sander__: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 03:36.25 | enouf | sander__: it's an abbreviation for us, to hit the bot with |
| 03:36.46 | enouf | sander__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg == drxx |
| 03:36.56 | sander__ | enouf, I already said I did that reconfigure :-p |
| 03:37.04 | sander__ | enouf, ok. |
| 03:37.19 | enouf | [23:32:04] <enouf> sander__: look for a Backup file in /etc/X11/xorg.DATE-HERE |
| 03:37.53 | sander__ | enouf, yeah, I have the backup file from when it worked.. before I upgraded. |
| 03:38.36 | enouf | cd /etc/X11 ; mv ./xorg.conf ./xorg.OLD.BROKEN ; mv /etc/xorg-DATE-GOOD ./xorg.conf |
| 03:38.41 | enouf | sander__: ^^^^^^ |
| 03:38.46 | enouf | as root, sudo |
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| 03:39.13 | enouf | sander__: maybe cp, instead of mv on that last part |
| 03:39.29 | enouf | oh, well, you have to rename to though too |
| 03:39.40 | enouf | so cp, then mv |
| 03:39.49 | enouf | grah |
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| 03:39.59 | enouf | nm -- too many things now |
| 03:40.35 | sander__ | Yeah.. I understand.. now I get the same error as I got right after I rebooted.. |
| 03:40.47 | sander__ | Fatal server error: Caught signal 11 |
| 03:40.54 | enouf | wtf? |
| 03:41.04 | sander__ | I cant see the whole screen |
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| 03:41.15 | sander__ | I cant browse higher up. |
| 03:41.40 | enouf | Airmail me your setup - i'll fix it O_O |
| 03:42.19 | enouf | looks over at the drill, the sawzall, and the sledgehammer |
| 03:42.23 | sander__ | enouf: I had the sid mirror added for a while.. maybe I got some xorg packages from sid |
| 03:42.36 | enouf | !break sander__ |
| 03:42.36 | dpkg | tells sander__ how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 03:42.44 | enouf | !fix sander__ |
| 03:42.44 | dpkg | takes sander__ to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 03:43.18 | enouf | so, i guess we'll never get to burning a cd :-/ |
| 03:43.22 | sander__ | enouf: but I also doubt it. because I had both mirrors added.. with some kinda priority on it.. so I had to spesify -t sid to install packages from sid. |
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| 03:43.44 | sander__ | enouf: I've had worse problems with X before. |
| 03:44.21 | sander__ | In my 10 years with linux.. |
| 03:44.42 | CryptoMole | hey all I have a system new w/ debian but no xterm bell or system beep? |
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| 03:45.10 | CryptoMole | can anyone help w/ this? |
| 03:45.22 | markybob | CryptoMole, you should be thankful |
| 03:45.29 | markybob | that damn bell drives me nuts |
| 03:45.33 | CryptoMole | well im not. |
| 03:45.35 | sander__ | enouf, first, how do I scroll up in a console? |
| 03:45.44 | markybob | CryptoMole, modprobe pcspkr |
| 03:46.03 | enouf | sander__: shift+pageup/down |
| 03:46.04 | sander__ | enouf: before it was "page up".. or shift+"page up" or something |
| 03:46.12 | sander__ | enouf: dosnt work. |
| 03:46.25 | enouf | it won;t on tty1 |
| 03:46.40 | enouf | sander__: move over to tty2, login there, use that |
| 03:46.56 | sander__ | Oh.. it works on tty2.. didnt know that. |
| 03:47.17 | emocvn | hi i'm trying to install bind9 but after the last line, it says: Starting domain name service...: bind failed! |
| 03:47.31 | markybob | emocvn, so look at its logs |
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| 03:47.57 | enouf | well, .. nm, i'm thinking if tty1 was left as is, and you're trying to scroll up to see boot messages, which you can't becaise the init system handed off control |
| 03:48.04 | msshams | where can i see reboot,halt log? |
| 03:48.38 | sander__ | cat /root/test |
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| 03:48.59 | sander__ | hmz.. wondring how I can cat things frmo my filesystem into irc.. with naim. |
| 03:49.10 | emocvn | where do i find the log for bind9 ? |
| 03:49.20 | enouf | sander__: /msg dpkg paste2pastebin pipe |
| 03:49.22 | markybob | emocvn, same place all good logs go. /var/log |
| 03:49.26 | enouf | sander__: but fix your X |
| 03:49.42 | emocvn | markybob there's no bind9 logs there |
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| 03:49.53 | enouf | sander__: and do not send more than one line into the channel please |
| 03:49.59 | markybob | emocvn, it probably uses the daemon log |
| 03:50.29 | enouf | sander__: as a last resort, there's #flood |
| 03:50.38 | CryptoMole | im now thinking the pcskr is defective |
| 03:50.38 | emocvn | ok found it, gotta use the pastebin |
| 03:50.42 | sander__ | enouf: yeah.. I was thinking about #flood |
| 03:50.45 | Rusty1 | sander__: is this for a driver that you have to manually configure xorg.conf or should it just work? |
| 03:51.00 | enouf | CryptoMole: see if it's muted in alsamixer |
| 03:51.16 | emocvn | i got this error from the logs when i try to install bind9: http://pastebin.com/d651c8c9f |
| 03:51.18 | CryptoMole | nope i turned it on there |
| 03:51.24 | sander__ | Rusty1, I dont have to manually configure the driver.. the conf got created automaticly with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:51.29 | enouf | CryptoMole: setterm and xset can also control it - make sure module is loaded, as told |
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| 03:51.37 | Rusty1 | apt-get --purge remove xserver-xorg, then apt-get -t unstable install xserver-xorg, kill any xserver sessions, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:52.11 | enouf | CryptoMole: /msg dpkg bell -- ensure it's not blacklisted either, though modprobe would load it once you tell it to |
| 03:52.58 | mhymn | hi, is it possible to find out how many days are passed since the day OS was installed? or how old the system is? |
| 03:53.22 | enouf | Rusty1: the emulate3button issue that was removed and broke drxx has been fixed now in sid? |
| 03:54.02 | sander__ | rusty: Seems like 45 xorg packages gets removed.. Will all of them get installed when I install xserver-xorg again? |
| 03:54.59 | enouf | sander__: did you even try using the Backup file yet? (just curious) |
| 03:55.31 | sander__ | enouf: yep. |
| 03:55.58 | CryptoMole | thanks |
| 03:56.00 | sander__ | enouf: I didnt get any usefull info when I did /msg dpkg paste2pastebin pipe |
| 03:56.08 | Rusty1 | enouf dunno |
| 03:56.20 | CryptoMole | not fixed yet but will work on it |
| 03:56.21 | enouf | sander__: and same errors? what was Backup dated from? |
| 03:56.33 | enouf | !paste2pastebin pipe |
| 03:56.39 | enouf | !paste2paste pipe |
| 03:56.45 | enouf | !pastebin pipe |
| 03:56.46 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
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| 03:56.51 | enouf | there sander__ ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 03:56.55 | emocvn | hello, ive encountered an error when setting up bind9. the daemon.log shows this: http://pastebin.com/d651c8c9f |
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| 03:57.12 | enouf | Rusty1: ok |
| 03:57.16 | sander__ | enouf: an hour ago or something |
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| 03:57.37 | sander__ | enouf: cool :-) |
| 03:57.39 | enouf | sander__: well, ok, but same errrors about Screen undefined? |
| 03:57.55 | sander__ | enouf: no. I'll give you a pastebin of it.. two sec. |
| 03:58.10 | enouf | i don't want a pastebin of it :-/ |
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| 04:00.31 | mhymn | where can i find the date OS was installed? |
| 04:00.55 | enouf | sander__: allow me to ask, is this the 1st time your dvdrw device has been recognized/working? In how long of a time? and which kernel and release (etch?) did you start with? |
| 04:01.03 | PiousMinion | anyone know how to get flash in epiphany the debian (lenny) way? |
| 04:01.25 | markybob | PiousMinion, install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:01.56 | Dewi | mhymn: the installer has a log file |
| 04:02.17 | PiousMinion | markybob: only flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound was available and that is installed. |
| 04:02.22 | Dewi | mhymn: otherwise you can always check out the datestamps of files that would not have changed since installation |
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| 04:02.52 | Dewi | mhymn: see /var/log/debian-installer/ |
| 04:03.21 | markybob | PiousMinion, you're right, it's only in etch backports and sid, not lenny. so you can get it from sid and backport it. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 04:03.30 | scatterp | can any one help me set up squid i have it installed i had an error about hostname i set one and now it seems to run and exit with no output ports not listening... |
| 04:03.52 | PiousMinion | markybob: weird, ok. heh |
| 04:03.54 | PiousMinion | /msg dpkg ssb |
| 04:04.02 | markybob | !tell PiousMinion about ssb |
| 04:04.18 | PiousMinion | stupid copy and paste in pidgin is doing weird things. :P |
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| 04:04.35 | mhymn | Dewi: thanks, got it, but it is /var/log/installer here |
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| 04:04.55 | sander__ | enouf, pastebin.ca/1029558 |
| 04:05.08 | sander__ | enouf: oh.. you dont want an pastebin of it.. hmz.. |
| 04:05.27 | sander__ | enouf.. now I atleast manage to pastebin from console.. makes it alot easier to fix this bug. |
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| 04:06.18 | vicfred | Hi, how do i install the restricted nvidia driver? |
| 04:06.30 | markybob | !tell vicfred about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:06.38 | Dewi | mhymn: aah, mine would be from sarge, not etch |
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| 04:06.53 | sander__ | enouf: anyway.. thanks for helping me fix the burning problem. :-) |
| 04:07.14 | enouf | PiousMinion: yes, pidgen is not an irc client, and it pukes up tabs where it shouldn't |
| 04:07.28 | enouf | sander__: ok |
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| 04:07.52 | PiousMinion | enouf: yeah, I just hate using a separate app to communicate. :/ |
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| 04:08.49 | markybob | PiousMinion, you should do like real geeks do...use irc to talk to them :) http://www.bitlbee.org/ is a messaging transport which allows you to do just that |
| 04:10.23 | mhymn | Dewi: ok, thanks again |
| 04:10.38 | PiousMinion | markybob: I have declined that suggestion before, but since it's you who are suggesting it..... I'll check it out. hehe |
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| 04:10.57 | markybob | heh :) to each his own, of course |
| 04:12.19 | Dewi | PiousMinion: it depends if you really love irc :) |
| 04:12.51 | PiousMinion | I'm just trying to imagine what it would look like. |
| 04:13.19 | sander__ | When I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I get this: pastebin.ca/1029561 |
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| 04:13.48 | sander__ | I just tried to remove and purge xserver-org.. and installed it again.. |
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| 04:15.27 | sander__ | I got lenny |
| 04:15.31 | dbmoodb | hi got a q why is it that the libcss enabling scripts have been destroyed on lenny |
| 04:15.36 | dbmoodb | like you install the thing but it doesn't work |
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| 04:16.20 | dbmoodb | ... why is the script now obsolete --- i live in australia i can legally bypass the protection for compatibility reasons.... surely i should be able to do this with that piece of software -- this is on lenny |
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| 04:17.15 | stiv2k | where can I get the gmp extension for PHP? |
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| 04:17.24 | Tyrant91101 | !find dig |
| 04:17.39 | stiv2k | nevermind, found it |
| 04:17.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dig' (8 of 53): (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digest) in science/emboss ;; (/usr/bin/fldigi) in hamradio/fldigi ;; (/usr/games/xdigger) in games/xdigger ;; (/usr/bin/sip-dig) in net/sofia-sip-bin ;; (/usr/bin/qucsdigi) in electronics/qucs ;; (/usr/bin/htdigest) in net/apache2-utils ;; (/usr/bin/kdevelop-htdig) in kde/kdevelop. |
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| 04:18.47 | scatterp | can any one help me set up squid i have it installed i had an error about hostname i set one and now it seems to run and exit with no output ports not listening... |
| 04:19.41 | dbmoodb | scatterp: try looking at the logs |
| 04:19.46 | dbmoodb | !log |
| 04:19.46 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 04:20.01 | scatterp | dbmoodb i did |
| 04:20.06 | dbmoodb | and... |
| 04:20.10 | scatterp | they only seem to cover when its runing |
| 04:20.13 | scatterp | it has a folder containing |
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| 04:20.28 | scatterp | eded) |
| 04:20.28 | scatterp | [5:18am] <dpkg> Debian Search of 'dig' (8 of 53): (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digest) in science/emboss ;; (/usr/bin/fldigi) in hamradio/fldigi ;; (/usr/games/xdigger) in games/xdigger ;; (/usr/bin/sip-dig) in net/sofia-sip-bin ; |
| 04:20.32 | dbmoodb | try in /var/log/daemon |
| 04:20.37 | scatterp | sorry sliped |
| 04:20.41 | scatterp | ok checking |
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| 04:21.21 | scatterp | theres a daemon.log |
| 04:21.24 | scatterp | nothing in there |
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| 04:21.48 | Spazitive | http://www.FakeMagazineCover.com - Upload photo to fake magazine cover templates |
| 04:21.52 | Spazitive | http://www.ComedySearchEngine.com - Funny sites, days of fun |
| 04:21.59 | Spazitive | http://www.SillyWebcam.com - Play with webcam online (games, take pics, effects) |
| 04:22.00 | scatterp | just stuff about the boot up of the machine |
| 04:22.01 | markybob | scatterp, what are you using? squid 2 or 3? |
| 04:22.03 | Spazitive | http://www.ComicStripGenerator.com - Make cartoon strips |
| 04:22.07 | Spazitive | http://www.Is-A-Jerk.com - Random Insults/Anon Email |
| 04:22.13 | Spazitive | http://www.ScrapbookGenerator.com - Make free online digital scrapbook pages |
| 04:22.16 | markybob | !ops Spazitive spam |
| 04:22.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: markybob complains about: Spazitive spam |
| 04:22.17 | Spazitive | http://www.WHAK.com - W.H.A.K. Comedy Radio |
| 04:22.24 | Spazitive | http://www.SignGenerator.org - Sign generators (change letters on a church sign or...) |
| 04:22.29 | Spazitive | http://www.BodySwitcher.com - Upload photo, put your face on a funny body |
| 04:22.32 | scatterp | 2.6 stable |
| 04:22.43 | dbmoodb | oi someone kick the spammers please |
| 04:22.49 | scatterp | lets ignore him |
| 04:22.53 | scatterp | wont confuse us then |
| 04:22.54 | markybob | scatterp, if you run squid -sYC does it show an error? |
| 04:22.56 | dbmoodb | no lets kick him |
| 04:23.01 | dbmoodb | is it a bot ? |
| 04:23.18 | scatterp | dunno i ignored him since ops are sleeping |
| 04:23.25 | dbmoodb | where are the ops ? |
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| 04:23.32 | sander__ | Anyone here know what could be wrong with xorg? |
| 04:23.34 | scatterp | testing |
| 04:23.48 | dbmoodb | sander__: more details please ... what is going wrong |
| 04:23.50 | scatterp | no |
| 04:24.03 | markybob | scatterp, and you dont see (squid) in ps aux ? |
| 04:24.21 | scatterp | it may help to know my config file has one change the visual host setting |
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| 04:24.35 | sander__ | dbmoodb: I'm getting a gray screen up when I start X. |
| 04:24.44 | scatterp | no its not there markw |
| 04:24.49 | markybob | sander__, what do you want? |
| 04:24.52 | scatterp | *markybob |
| 04:24.57 | markw | cherwin: ?? |
| 04:24.57 | sander__ | dbmoodb, you saw my pastebin? |
| 04:25.00 | dbmoodb | sander__: and then .. |
| 04:25.00 | markw | bah. |
| 04:25.01 | markybob | scatterp so it's not erring out but it's also not running. that makes no sense :P |
| 04:25.01 | dbmoodb | not yet |
| 04:25.16 | sander__ | dbmood: I want xserver-xorg to start. |
| 04:25.18 | markybob | sander__, what do you want? gnome? kde? |
| 04:25.22 | dbmoodb | sandar i must have missed it |
| 04:25.24 | sander__ | gnome |
| 04:25.28 | Supaplex | I want a popsicle! |
| 04:25.29 | markybob | sander__, add gnome-session to ~/.xsession |
| 04:25.33 | sander__ | When I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I get this: pastebin.ca/1029561 |
| 04:25.36 | scatterp | markybob what do you suggest ? |
| 04:25.47 | scatterp | markybob im sure its not runing the ports not open |
| 04:25.59 | markybob | scatterp, #squid :P i'll take a look at your config if you paste it somewhere |
| 04:26.08 | scatterp | markybob i could give you access via kaiten would that help ? |
| 04:26.14 | scatterp | markybob ok uploading |
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| 04:26.32 | sander__ | markybob, I already had an gnome session.. when my xorg worked. |
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| 04:27.36 | sander__ | dbmoodb, that pastebin is from when I'm starting X after configuring it. |
| 04:27.57 | dbmoodb | i missed the link to it |
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| 04:28.47 | scatterp | markybob http://www.MegaShare.com/418177 |
| 04:28.50 | sander__ | dbmoodb: seems like I had to restart gdm.. |
| 04:28.51 | scatterp | thats the file |
| 04:29.43 | scatterp | dbmoodb i checked and found a daemon file but its all init stuff from the machine booting... |
| 04:29.44 | markybob | scatterp, try this: squid -XN -f /etc/squid/squid.conf |
| 04:29.53 | scatterp | ok |
| 04:30.10 | scatterp | ok hell of a lot of output |
| 04:30.11 | scatterp | sec |
| 04:30.28 | dbmoodb | scatterp: can you put it on pastebin |
| 04:30.30 | markybob | (use something like dpaste.com) |
| 04:30.32 | dbmoodb | i don't want to download from there |
| 04:30.53 | scatterp | ok.. |
| 04:31.07 | scatterp | i think its solved should i just paste as you say or see if i can solve it ? |
| 04:31.11 | scatterp | seemed to be : |
| 04:31.16 | scatterp | dont run as root |
| 04:31.26 | scatterp | then change ownership of the conf.. |
| 04:32.04 | markybob | scatterp, i dont need to see it. if you've got it then yay :) |
| 04:32.04 | dbmoodb | what did you change ? |
| 04:32.12 | taladon | hi all. i'm looking to install linux on my laptop with a busted cdrom drive. it's got ubuntu on it now, and i want to do a fresh debian install |
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| 04:32.17 | scatterp | dbmoodb nothing yet.. |
| 04:32.24 | scatterp | markybob ok trying |
| 04:32.39 | tpdog | hey every1 |
| 04:32.59 | taladon | can i just copy the netboot pxe file to it and have grub boot that? |
| 04:33.13 | tpdog | BEST WEBSITE! www.tpdog.com |
| 04:33.16 | tpdog | hilarious |
| 04:33.28 | markybob | tpdog, go away |
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| 04:34.26 | dbmoodb | hi speme |
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| 04:35.49 | scatterp | hmm |
| 04:35.56 | scatterp | markybob i was not able to fix it |
| 04:36.05 | scatterp | when i try to > file.txt |
| 04:36.13 | scatterp | for some reason it does not copy the output |
| 04:36.22 | scatterp | i see an error about being root i change to a user |
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| 04:36.35 | scatterp | i see error about access to the conf file i chown it |
| 04:36.43 | scatterp | and then i see a ton of errors |
| 04:36.49 | scatterp | about writing logs etc |
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| 04:37.16 | markybob | scatterp, you should be user proxy. are you not? |
| 04:37.22 | markybob | scatterp, as root, su - proxy |
| 04:37.27 | markybob | then run the last command i gave you |
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| 04:39.35 | scatterp | markybob ok now i get this |
| 04:39.36 | scatterp | 2008/05/26 00:39:06| leave_suid: PID 2347 called |
| 04:39.36 | scatterp | Aborted |
| 04:39.36 | scatterp | [proxy@andLinux log]$ |
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| 04:39.51 | Dewi | what's the normal, gentle way to signal to a daemon to stop? |
| 04:40.06 | Dewi | (I don't have an init.d script, I mean an actual signal) |
| 04:40.07 | scatterp | markybob above that all looks fine |
| 04:40.20 | markybob | Dewi, if the daemon is worth it's salt, it catch a sigterm |
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| 04:40.46 | markybob | catches* |
| 04:41.12 | Dewi | hmm, okay |
| 04:41.16 | Dewi | that is true |
| 04:41.17 | markybob | scatterp, i'm out of ideas, sorry. try #squid |
| 04:41.20 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/m19f94a5 |
| 04:41.23 | scatterp | take a look there |
| 04:41.28 | scatterp | thats the end of the output |
| 04:42.45 | markybob | scatterp, hrm. what if you add a -z to it? |
| 04:43.03 | scatterp | to the end of the cmd line ? |
| 04:43.37 | markybob | squid -XNz -f /etc/squid/squid.conf |
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| 04:44.08 | scatterp | it said a lot of things exist |
| 04:44.12 | scatterp | and that was about it |
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| 04:50.39 | sander__ | enouf, Now i'm writing a cd :-) |
| 04:50.41 | aurehman | Hi... I've forgoten my root password... how can i recover it? |
| 04:50.51 | tarzeau | aurehman: boot into single user mode? |
| 04:50.55 | enouf | Dewi: yeah, sigterm(15), then sigint(2), then sigkill(9) if all else fails |
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| 04:52.03 | enouf | sander__: sweet ;-) really wished we could've stayed focused on what caused those issues, see if it was reproducible, file a bug, but i understand, when something else breaks, it's a real downer |
| 04:52.27 | enouf | is tired now anyway ;-) |
| 04:52.29 | aurehman | tarzeau: how can i boot into single user mode? |
| 04:52.53 | tarzeau | aurehman: in grub you press "e" then say init=/bin/bash |
| 04:53.07 | sander | enouf, I got X working.. but not in xinerama mode.. (I have two screens) |
| 04:53.20 | tarzeau | aurehman: in silo you say linux init=/bin/bash or something like that, then edit /etc/shadow or passwd, reboot |
| 04:53.23 | enouf | tarzeau: tell em factoid 'ifrp' |
| 04:53.29 | sander | enouf, ok |
| 04:53.36 | scatterp- | sorry i got disconnected |
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| 04:53.38 | tarzeau | enouf: ah |
| 04:53.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 04:53.42 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 04:53.44 | enouf | sander: i see, ok, maybe another time |
| 04:53.50 | scatterp- | dbmoodb did you have any other ideas? |
| 04:54.00 | Lagbolt | aurehman, change root= to root=/bin/sh |
| 04:54.09 | speme | dbmoodb: hi,i has get asleep |
| 04:54.14 | dbmoodb | scatterp i dont' know what you are doing i stopped following your case a while ago |
| 04:54.31 | scatterp- | dbmoodb just trying to set up a proxy... |
| 04:54.31 | Lagbolt | aurehman, or mount it from a rescue cd or live cd |
| 04:54.36 | scatterp- | squid specificly |
| 04:54.37 | cherwin | markw: Yes? |
| 04:54.37 | dbmoodb | scatterp why ? |
| 04:54.49 | scatterp- | i want to use it as a gateway to access the internet |
| 04:54.54 | dbmoodb | for what reason... to save data ? |
| 04:55.18 | scatterp- | loging |
| 04:55.22 | dbmoodb | scatterp or to use your connection from another place ? |
| 04:55.27 | dbmoodb | logging ..? |
| 04:55.40 | sander | Anyone know how I can get a filebrowser who dosnt open every directory in a new window.. in gnome? |
| 04:55.45 | dbmoodb | why would you a proxy server to log ? |
| 04:55.50 | markw | cherwin: nothing. was responding to someone doing that to me. :) |
| 04:55.55 | |Ryan52 | sander: Its a setting somewhere...look around... |
| 04:55.57 | sander | When I push an icon on my desktop |
| 04:56.01 | sander | Hmmmm |
| 04:56.02 | scatterp- | well its actualy all the same machine |
| 04:56.10 | scatterp- | which is a laptop |
| 04:56.13 | |Ryan52 | sander: (assuming your talking about nautilus) |
| 04:56.17 | scatterp- | colinux.. |
| 04:56.21 | cherwin | markw: OK. |
| 04:56.28 | dbmoodb | i don't help people log stuff like that if you want to log and its the same machine why not use tcpdump and filter out everything other than port 8- |
| 04:56.31 | dbmoodb | 80* |
| 04:56.31 | sander | |Ryan52, I have no idea if I use nautilus.. |
| 04:56.42 | |Ryan52 | sander: If its a normal gnome install, you do |
| 04:56.55 | sander | |Ryan52, yeah. I see that this is running: nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default2 |
| 04:57.08 | scatterp- | dbmoodb why whats wrong with loging via a proxy ? |
| 04:57.32 | scatterp- | i dont want to use it for port 80 its for a game |
| 04:57.33 | dbmoodb | why do you need to log via a proxy if it is your computer |
| 04:57.42 | dbmoodb | you want to proxy a game ? |
| 04:57.47 | scatterp- | yes.. |
| 04:57.51 | dbmoodb | using squid ? |
| 04:58.09 | scatterp- | well thats going a bit ahead |
| 04:58.17 | scatterp- | right now i just want to set up a proxy and see it work |
| 04:58.29 | scatterp- | so i am using squid which is not working ... |
| 04:58.39 | dbmoodb | scatterp what game... this is just not going to work you know, most games work on udp not tcp |
| 04:58.41 | dbmoodb | so good luck |
| 04:58.46 | simonrvn | colinux has its own channel |
| 04:58.56 | simonrvn | (IIRC) |
| 04:59.06 | scatterp- | dbmoodb the game uses tcp/ip |
| 04:59.07 | Supaplex | yes it does simonrvn |
| 04:59.13 | dbmoodb | scatterp i wouldn't try to proxy a game in any case |
| 04:59.18 | scatterp- | simonrvn yes but theres not much life there |
| 04:59.39 | dbmoodb | what are you trying to achieve ? |
| 05:00.00 | simonrvn | yeh, well, we can't really do much about your thing |
| 05:00.26 | scatterp- | simonrvn but all i want to do is run a proxy server |
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| 05:01.28 | simonrvn | squid has a good doc base on their wiki |
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| 05:01.46 | scatterp- | simonrvn is there perhaps another simpler proxy server ? |
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| 05:02.13 | simonrvn | squid can be very simple, just looks daunting. |
| 05:02.22 | dbmoodb | scatterp squid is simple |
| 05:02.40 | scatterp- | there must be something i should change in the config |
| 05:02.49 | simonrvn | goes back to lurking |
| 05:02.50 | markybob | squid is a bitch |
| 05:02.53 | scatterp- | i mean if its simple other people must install change x y and z and it works... |
| 05:02.54 | markybob | i use it at work and it kills me |
| 05:02.59 | scatterp- | and its not doing it |
| 05:03.00 | markybob | it makes me want to punch little babies |
| 05:03.18 | dbmoodb | scatterp apt-get install squid |
| 05:03.24 | scatterp- | its config file is like 1000 lines long |
| 05:03.26 | dbmoodb | then make sure it has some dirs to work in |
| 05:03.34 | dbmoodb | then set the config file up -- set it to work then go |
| 05:03.46 | scatterp- | dbmoodb i did it in gui with synaptic |
| 05:03.57 | dbmoodb | doesn't matter |
| 05:04.03 | markybob | scatterp- ok, that part is your fault :) mine's only 60 lines |
| 05:04.06 | scatterp- | you want me to run it again ? |
| 05:04.16 | scatterp- | markybob cant i copy yours ? |
| 05:04.31 | scatterp- | and just change the ip to 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:04.34 | dbmoodb | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/71 |
| 05:04.36 | scatterp- | or something |
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| 05:05.00 | scatterp- | dbmoodb should i run that aptget command will that install over the existing installation ? |
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| 05:05.18 | markybob | scatterp-, ok. http://dpaste.com/52721/ |
| 05:05.19 | dbmoodb | apt-get will go it is already installed |
| 05:05.28 | dbmoodb | scatterp do you know what apt-get will do ? |
| 05:05.32 | dbmoodb | !apt-get |
| 05:05.32 | dpkg | i heard apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude>, or unsoftware |
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| 05:05.46 | scatterp- | ok |
| 05:06.23 | scatterp- | it said this squid is already the newest version. |
| 05:06.35 | scatterp- | geting markybobs conf |
| 05:07.41 | markybob | you'll wanna edit it...but those edits should be obvious |
| 05:08.13 | markybob | ie, you dont wanna use the path to my certificates :P |
| 05:08.17 | dbmoodb | just be sure to remove the line markbob's backdoor access pwned yous |
| 05:08.30 | aurehman | tarzeau: i started debian server in single user mode from grub |
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| 05:09.33 | freddo_frog | hey all how do i enable the testing repo |
| 05:09.35 | freddo_frog | ? |
| 05:09.44 | markybob | !tell freddo_frog about etch->lenny |
| 05:10.02 | freddo_frog | thanks |
| 05:10.07 | dbmoodb | lenny is good ! |
| 05:10.20 | dbmoodb | but some things are not working 100% freddo_frog just minor things |
| 05:10.22 | aurehman | tarzeau: it tells me that there is some maintenance required. run fsck |
| 05:10.28 | freddo_frog | dbmoodb: like what? |
| 05:10.41 | aurehman | type root password or ctrl - D |
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| 05:10.51 | dbmoodb | well the tiny css script to read dvds didn't work for me -- IT is not in the dir it is supposed to be in |
| 05:10.58 | dbmoodb | but that is it ... |
| 05:10.59 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 05:11.02 | aurehman | it is not accepting my root password and when i presws ctrl D. system again restarts |
| 05:11.04 | scatterp | markybob sorry got dissconnected |
| 05:11.06 | scatterp | 2008/05/26 01:09:52| ACL name 'all' not defined! |
| 05:11.07 | scatterp | FATAL: Bungled squid.conf line 39: http_access allow all |
| 05:11.08 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:11.16 | aurehman | tarzeau: what should i do in this situation? |
| 05:11.19 | scatterp | markybob thats what its saying now |
| 05:11.26 | markybob | scatterp, ah, yeah. mine's squid 3. that's not compatible with squid 2 config |
| 05:11.26 | dbmoodb | you can grab it from me if you want it --- or grab it from the ubuntu guys (get the source deb ...) |
| 05:11.48 | scatterp | markybob comment it ? |
| 05:12.06 | markybob | scatterp, no idea. i never used squid 2 |
| 05:12.40 | freddo_frog | when a new debian comes out can i just upgrade all the packages and have the latest? |
| 05:12.50 | tarzeau | aurehman: can you boot a live cd? |
| 05:12.55 | markybob | freddo_frog, yes |
| 05:13.05 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:13.06 | freddo_frog | =] |
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| 05:13.13 | freddo_frog | rolling release got to love it =] |
| 05:13.16 | aurehman | tarzeau: i boot it from system.. but i can boot from live cd also |
| 05:13.27 | aurehman | tarzeau: should i boot from live cd? |
| 05:13.39 | dbmoodb | mmmm the lenny installation from the cd is so much better than upgrading from etch to lenny -- or at least seems so atm to me |
| 05:13.41 | tarzeau | aurehman: yes then mount the disk with passwd/shadow then edit it and reboot |
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| 05:13.56 | freddo_frog | dbmoodb: why is that? |
| 05:14.04 | tarzeau | freddo_frog: it's not |
| 05:14.18 | dbmoodb | it shouldnt' be i said "seems" |
| 05:14.26 | dbmoodb | i just feel that it is like that to me |
| 05:14.47 | scatterp | can any one guide me through seting up a diffrent proxy server ? |
| 05:14.54 | scatterp | what about sockd why dont that work ? |
| 05:14.59 | aurehman | tarzeau: how can i month the disk with passwd/shadow |
| 05:15.10 | aurehman | actually i never troubleshoot the debian server |
| 05:15.19 | aurehman | tarzeau: i have server locally |
| 05:15.19 | dbmoodb | OMFG the computer resumed from stand bye |
| 05:15.31 | dbmoodb | !!!!!!!! that didn't happen when i upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 05:15.35 | tarzeau | aurehman: can you not ask some linux friend to do it for you? |
| 05:15.56 | dbmoodb | what the tell is up with that -- anyone know ? |
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| 05:16.59 | markybob | dbmoodb, are you currently drunk? |
| 05:17.15 | freddo_frog | is ethc good even if it does not use the latest packages? |
| 05:17.28 | tarzeau | freddo_frog: yes |
| 05:17.29 | markybob | freddo_frog, stable as hell |
| 05:17.38 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:17.51 | freddo_frog | i think i am going to install etch on my desktop and archlinux on my laptop |
| 05:18.10 | freddo_frog | can i use debian as a server? |
| 05:18.14 | markybob | freddo_frog, deluge offers packages for both, so it doesnt really matter :P |
| 05:18.18 | dbmoodb | mmm |
| 05:18.19 | markybob | freddo_frog, yes |
| 05:18.28 | freddo_frog | what is deluge? |
| 05:18.41 | markybob | bittorrent client i maintain :P it was a shameless plug |
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| 05:18.53 | freddo_frog | you maintain it? |
| 05:19.07 | freddo_frog | what does that mean lol |
| 05:19.17 | markybob | it means i'm a developer of it |
| 05:19.21 | markybob | deluge-torrent.org |
| 05:19.23 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:19.29 | freddo_frog | what is a webui? |
| 05:19.42 | markybob | it means you can control it from a web browser |
| 05:19.44 | dbmoodb | no i am not |
| 05:20.06 | dbmoodb | ah .. no i am not drunk |
| 05:20.19 | freddo_frog | remotely? |
| 05:20.22 | dbmoodb | no |
| 05:20.22 | markybob | yes |
| 05:20.28 | dbmoodb | sleepy but not drunk |
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| 05:20.40 | freddo_frog | that is really cool how does it work? |
| 05:21.10 | markybob | freddo_frog, you simply enable the webui plugin, pick a password, and you can access it from anywhere |
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| 05:21.33 | aurehman | tarzeau: sorry dear i got dc. |
| 05:21.34 | freddo_frog | what address do i go to? |
| 05:21.44 | markybob | your ip address. whatever that is. |
| 05:21.46 | aurehman | tarzeau: so how can i boot from live cd? |
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| 05:21.55 | freddo_frog | what if i have a dynamic ip? |
| 05:21.59 | tarzeau | aurehman: which live cd? |
| 05:22.10 | tarzeau | aurehman: usually you insert the cd into the cd drive, then turn on the computer |
| 05:22.20 | aurehman | tarzeau: ok... then? |
| 05:22.32 | tarzeau | aurehman: then it boots |
| 05:22.35 | markybob | freddo_frog, you still go to that ip address. it uses port 8112 by default, so you do http://ip:8112 |
| 05:22.40 | freddo_frog | hmm |
| 05:22.47 | freddo_frog | and that will work from anywhere? |
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| 05:22.49 | scatterp | markybob did you ever use any simpler proxy servers ? |
| 05:22.50 | aurehman | tarzeau: ok... |
| 05:22.56 | markybob | freddo_frog, yes |
| 05:23.02 | markybob | scatterp, no |
| 05:23.15 | scatterp | markybob think it would help if i went for squid 3 ? |
| 05:23.20 | freddo_frog | how would you compare deluge to utorrernt |
| 05:23.28 | dbmoodb | ktorrent is a good choice |
| 05:23.37 | markybob | freddo_frog, i wouldnt be a deluge developer if i didnt like deluge better :P |
| 05:23.38 | path_ | yeah it is |
| 05:23.40 | path_ | :) |
| 05:23.57 | path_ | dbmoodb, have you tried the one on experimental branch ? |
| 05:24.01 | freddo_frog | markybob: is there anywhere that utorretn is better? |
| 05:24.03 | markybob | freddo_frog, we run on mac osx, linux, bsd, solaris and windows. utorrent cant say that |
| 05:24.04 | path_ | I've just installed |
| 05:24.21 | freddo_frog | good point lol |
| 05:24.30 | dbmoodb | utorrent does work in wine |
| 05:24.37 | markybob | no thanks to them |
| 05:24.40 | tarzeau | wine doesn't work on non-i386 machines |
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| 05:24.53 | path_ | good point |
| 05:25.00 | freddo_frog | what is superseed and initial seed? |
| 05:25.27 | markybob | freddo_frog, it means you only upload a piece that hasnt yet been uploaded. it's actually pretty lame |
| 05:25.33 | freddo_frog | hmmm ok |
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| 05:26.26 | freddo_frog | debian installs with so much stuff |
| 05:27.16 | scatterp | hey markybob it seems to be listening now squid3 to win :D |
| 05:27.41 | markybob | scatterp, hey hey! :) |
| 05:27.46 | aurehman | tarzeau: i've inserted the cd... and it asked me to press F1 for help or press enter to boot |
| 05:27.50 | aurehman | i pressed enter |
| 05:28.12 | freddo_frog | aurehman: that is what i just did |
| 05:28.19 | freddo_frog | lets race to install aurehman |
| 05:28.31 | Bushmills | mldonkey can handle torrents too. client-server architecture, makes it more suitable for some environments. |
| 05:28.37 | aurehman | it asking me for language selection |
| 05:28.45 | aurehman | actually i want to restore my root password |
| 05:28.48 | scatterp | markybob just testing |
| 05:28.52 | freddo_frog | ohh lol |
| 05:29.45 | freddo_frog | markybob: i want to learn to program =] |
| 05:30.16 | Bushmills | freddo_frog: how is your shell scripting? |
| 05:30.27 | freddo_frog | what is shell scripting? |
| 05:30.41 | Bushmills | a sort of simplified form of programming |
| 05:30.54 | freddo_frog | Bushmills: i want to learn how to do it lol |
| 05:31.09 | Bushmills | probably something one would look at before "real" programming |
| 05:31.16 | markybob | freddo_frog, buy a book. that's how i learned. i have a ton of books |
| 05:31.19 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:31.25 | freddo_frog | a shell scripting book? |
| 05:31.46 | markybob | there are shell scripting books, yes. deluge itself is written with pygtk |
| 05:31.58 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:32.06 | freddo_frog | i am installing deluge on windows lol |
| 05:32.36 | scatterp | markybob i have the open port but for some reason i am unable to connect thru it some kinda config problem :( |
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| 05:32.46 | aurehman | tarzeau: please guide me how to recover root password |
| 05:33.07 | freddo_frog | markybob: should i use k7 or 686 kernel? |
| 05:33.09 | freddo_frog | i am on amd |
| 05:33.14 | markybob | scatterp, does it say access denied, or what? |
| 05:33.22 | markybob | freddo_frog, 686. k7 is dead |
| 05:33.25 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 05:33.27 | freddo_frog | =] |
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| 05:33.44 | freddo_frog | =] |
| 05:33.49 | freddo_frog | can i use KDE on windows lol |
| 05:33.55 | scatterp | just waiting for google.com then moves on to msn live page never loads |
| 05:34.15 | markybob | you removed the squid_wrapper line? |
| 05:34.29 | sChaaa | hola |
| 05:34.40 | scatterp | redirect_program /etc/squid3/wrapzap |
| 05:34.43 | scatterp | i still have this |
| 05:34.46 | scatterp | is that the one ? |
| 05:34.52 | markybob | yeah, get rid of that |
| 05:35.01 | tarzeau | aurehman: which cd did you start? the debian one? |
| 05:35.06 | scatterp | how do i make it restart ? |
| 05:35.13 | markybob | or /etc/init.d/squid3 reload |
| 05:35.16 | tarzeau | i have never used the debian cd to recover a password... i use my own: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 05:35.18 | freddo_frog | now to install arch on my laptop =] |
| 05:35.31 | sander | I'm trying to configure xinerama with two screens.. I get the following error when I try: http://pastebin.ca/1029610 |
| 05:35.47 | sander | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:6:0:1) found |
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| 05:36.20 | scatterp | editing the wrong conf :) |
| 05:36.24 | V4Nelle | debianakos kernel: You have some hardware problem, likely on the PCI bus.(what is this?) |
| 05:36.56 | sander | This happend after I upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 05:37.22 | sander | I think.. or maybe It happend after I upgraded an package in lenny |
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| 05:42.58 | aurehman | tarzeau: yes debian net inst |
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| 05:43.38 | scatterp | markybob ok i got the access denied thing now |
| 05:44.42 | aurehman | tarzeau: which iso should i download to recover my root password from http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 05:45.03 | tarzeau | aurehman: probably http://debian.ethz.ch/mirror/gnustep/GNUSTEP-i486-1.8.iso |
| 05:45.24 | peterrooney | dpkg: insult dpkg |
| 05:45.26 | dpkg | dpkg is nothing but a fawning thimbleful of plume-plucked dog vomit |
| 05:45.31 | aurehman | tarzeau: ok... what to do after downloading and burn the cd |
| 05:45.37 | peterrooney | sorry all. |
| 05:45.40 | tarzeau | aurehman: boot into it |
| 05:45.46 | aurehman | tarzeau: when i burn the cd and boot from it |
| 05:45.52 | aurehman | what should i do after that? |
| 05:46.10 | markybob | scatterp, remove the !ip_user line |
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| 05:46.13 | tarzeau | aurehman: ctrl-alt-f1, su, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt, mcedit /mnt/etc/shadow, sync, reboot |
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| 05:46.30 | tarzeau | aurehman: remove the stuff between the first and second : on the root line |
| 05:47.18 | aurehman | tarzeau: ok.. let me try with this.. if i'll get any problem i'll definitely disturb you. |
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| 05:47.35 | aurehman | tarzeau: but as i have net inst of debian |
| 05:47.40 | BubbaT | I'm using proftpd to transfer files on my lan. The client is downloading a file but doing "ls" shows that the size of the file is not changing. |
| 05:47.46 | aurehman | can i take any advantage with that cd? |
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| 05:48.04 | BubbaT | Is that just a property of proftpd or a problem? |
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| 05:48.25 | |Ryan52 | What software does dpkg (the bot) run? |
| 05:48.49 | markybob | blootbot i think |
| 05:49.13 | scatterp | markybob if i paste you my config |
| 05:49.19 | scatterp | could you find why im geting access denied |
| 05:49.25 | scatterp | i cant find anything to cause it |
| 05:49.27 | scatterp | :( |
| 05:49.32 | markybob | scatterp, i can try |
| 05:51.06 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/m1041ec98 |
| 05:51.09 | scatterp | thats the error |
| 05:51.22 | markybob | ok. paste your config |
| 05:52.37 | scatterp | http://pastebin.com/m4922f2df |
| 05:54.00 | markybob | scatterp, replace #http_access deny all with http_access allow all (not commented) |
| 05:56.06 | scatterp | same error still.. |
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| 05:57.01 | markybob | you reloaded after the change? |
| 05:57.19 | scatterp | yes |
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| 06:00.12 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know what's up? |
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| 06:01.59 | tarzeau | aurehman: i don't know |
| 06:02.06 | scatterp | markybob fixed |
| 06:02.12 | tarzeau | aurehman: does it have an editor? if you can work with sed? |
| 06:02.21 | tarzeau | but it sucks as a live cd |
| 06:02.28 | markybob | scatterp, good |
| 06:02.41 | aurehman | tarzeau: not sure whether it have any editor or not |
| 06:03.46 | aurehman | tarzeau: i have ubuntu cd as well |
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| 06:03.55 | aurehman | tarzeau: will it help me ? |
| 06:03.55 | tarzeau | aurehman: sorry i can't help you |
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| 06:05.27 | Hal9000 | which package does contain the 'dig' command to query nameservers? |
| 06:05.38 | aurehman | tarzeau: thanx dear |
| 06:05.52 | markybob | Hal9000, dnsutils |
| 06:06.10 | Hal9000 | thanks markybob |
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| 06:06.39 | wols_ | !tell aurehman about forgot root password |
| 06:07.48 | markybob | is "dumbass" in there anywhere? :P |
| 06:07.52 | aurehman | wols_: thanx a lot |
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| 06:12.22 | acehigh | sup everyone |
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| 06:15.06 | acehigh | I am getting a error that doesn't make sense to me can someone tell me what this problem resolves to? ERROR: wineserver exiting unexpectantly! |
| 06:15.26 | markybob | acehigh, you're always having problems that dont make sense :P |
| 06:15.38 | Dewi | acehigh: it means wineserver is encountering a situation it is ill-prepared to deal with |
| 06:15.42 | Dewi | acehigh: and cannot continue |
| 06:15.43 | acehigh | markybob, welcome to my world |
| 06:16.01 | acehigh | Dewi, I understand that part |
| 06:16.22 | Dewi | acehigh: well that's all you've given us :) |
| 06:16.34 | markybob | i'm sure wine has to have a channel. that's where i'd start |
| 06:16.49 | acehigh | they aint helping either |
| 06:17.16 | acehigh | they saying because it aint thier code they dont support it |
| 06:17.21 | markybob | what are you using, anyway? rc2? |
| 06:17.27 | acehigh | cvscedega |
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| 06:19.10 | acehigh | why cant something ever be simple to install |
| 06:19.29 | markybob | life's a bitch |
| 06:19.34 | Bushmills | acehigh: under ubuntu? |
| 06:19.38 | Dewi | acehigh: go buy cedega ? |
| 06:19.39 | acehigh | ten billion diffirent ways to install one software and none of them freakin work |
| 06:19.50 | Dewi | acehigh: although maybe it sucks |
| 06:19.56 | acehigh | Dewi, I plan to if the thing works with my video card |
| 06:19.57 | Dewi | acehigh: for what you're trying to do |
| 06:20.14 | acehigh | but I like to make sure before i shell out money |
| 06:20.33 | acehigh | Bushmills, under debian lenny |
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| 06:21.29 | Bushmills | acehigh: most mentions of that error seem to partain to cedega under ubuntu. are there some "fixme" lines before the error is reported? |
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| 06:22.11 | acehigh | Bushmills, let me look one sec |
| 06:23.00 | acehigh | pasting |
| 06:23.06 | acehigh | err:virtual:is_memory_manager_disabled could not retrieve the module file name (reason: 'bad module') |
| 06:23.06 | acehigh | err:client:is_scheduler_disabled could not retrieve the module file name (reason: 'bad module') |
| 06:23.06 | sander | Anyone know how to switch which screen to have menu's panels and stuff in with xrandr xserver-xorg config? |
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| 06:25.42 | Bushmills | acehigh: this one? http://forthfreak.net/snap/1211783116478977824.png |
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| 06:26.08 | acehigh | Bushmills, exactly |
| 06:26.49 | Bushmills | look what others say: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1211783168009323178.png |
| 06:28.04 | acehigh | Bushmills, same dang reason people choose cedega is because it runs 3D.........ARG |
| 06:28.32 | acehigh | not mad at you |
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| 06:28.46 | acehigh | just tired of this you can get it to test crap and it doesn't work |
| 06:29.06 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know what's up? |
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| 06:29.08 | acehigh | why would i want to shell out money for something that might not work with my card |
| 06:29.11 | Bushmills | acehigh: then rejoice in the knowledge that others seem to have the same problem with cvscedega |
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| 06:29.46 | Dewi | acehigh: I dunno, you could shell out for something that would work, like MS Windows |
| 06:30.12 | acehigh | Dewi, not funny |
| 06:30.17 | Dewi | that said, I do feel your pain, because I'm trying the opposite: getting rsync to work reliably in windows |
| 06:31.08 | sander | Anyone good at xrandr xserver-org configs? how do I get Option "RightOf" "dvi0" to work?.. I only get LeftOf to work |
| 06:31.40 | acehigh | Dewi, as markybob already knows ive shelled out enough money on video as I have already had to replace my dang video card with a new one |
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| 06:32.20 | acehigh | hince his comment earlier hehe |
| 06:32.22 | Bushmills | sounds like "i purchased a new car - why should i pay for fuel" :) |
| 06:32.50 | acehigh | Bushmills, my point is why pay for something that isnt going to work |
| 06:33.07 | Bushmills | right, if you can have that for free too |
| 06:33.15 | acehigh | Bushmills, if the testing of a app doesnt work in business does the business buy it? |
| 06:33.35 | markybob | i have no idea why you two are arguing. chill |
| 06:33.38 | acehigh | I dont have a problem buying something that works |
| 06:33.47 | acehigh | im not argueing hehe |
| 06:33.47 | Bushmills | we aren't |
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| 06:33.56 | Bushmills | i'm pulling toes |
| 06:33.59 | acehigh | we having a civilized conversation |
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| 06:34.16 | Dewi | we're all quite happy. Although I am trolling. :) |
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| 06:34.35 | Bushmills | dpkg, smite the troll |
| 06:34.35 | dpkg | smites the troll with a plague of characters from an unknown locale |
| 06:34.51 | markybob | Dewi, try cwrsync |
| 06:36.48 | Dewi | markybob: I find a full cygwin install is cleaner than those things |
| 06:36.58 | V4Nelle | anybody help me about these errors? http://www.pastebin.org/38546 |
| 06:37.02 | acehigh | aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggggggg |
| 06:37.06 | Dewi | markybob: but cygwin sshd seems to have pipe deadlock issues |
| 06:37.17 | acehigh | im going to strangle this dang computer |
| 06:37.37 | Dewi | markybob: but rigging up and tearing down an ssh tunnel and rsync daemon is proving to be dodgy and painful |
| 06:38.11 | markybob | Dewi, my professional suggestion is that you give up and go get laid. :P |
| 06:38.24 | Tidus | lol? |
| 06:38.32 | Supaplex | !lol |
| 06:38.32 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:38.34 | Dewi | markybob: my boss won't authorise that |
| 06:38.39 | Tidus | interesting professional suggestion |
| 06:38.40 | markybob | heh |
| 06:38.48 | simonrvn | is reminded repeatedly why he had markybob on /ignore |
| 06:39.00 | acehigh | waits for the boss to walk into the backroom and bam |
| 06:39.06 | markybob | simonrvn, because you dont have a sense of humor? right |
| 06:39.24 | simonrvn | markybob: no, because you think you do |
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| 06:40.11 | Supaplex | Dewi: it's a winblows thing. |
| 06:40.26 | Dewi | Supaplex: a what thing? |
| 06:40.43 | markybob | ah, i remember you. you're the asshole who felt the need to /msg me about hurting your feelings |
| 06:41.12 | Supaplex | windows |
| 06:41.39 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 06:42.07 | simonrvn | make shit up on top of it... |
| 06:42.10 | Dewi | it's getting awfully freenode in here |
| 06:42.14 | Dewi | please be normal, everyone |
| 06:42.16 | Bushmills | this channel is overflowing with harmony :P |
| 06:42.42 | markybob | libpam-unix2. that's what i had a question about and you bullshitted |
| 06:42.55 | markybob | i remember perfectly |
| 06:43.22 | Dewi | libpam-unix2 started it |
| 06:43.41 | Bushmills | dunks his nose into a cup of coffee |
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| 06:44.29 | Supaplex | sucks to be them. I get over nonsense. carry it with you and it's your burden, not theirs. |
| 06:46.30 | Dewi | Supaplex: anti-microsoft sentiment notwithstanding... :) |
| 06:46.53 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:47.33 | Juventino | hello |
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| 06:47.44 | enouf | is it time for moi to perform tonight's marraige ceremony? O_o |
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| 06:48.14 | markybob | enouf, been there, done that, not doing it again :P |
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| 06:48.40 | enouf | looks over at the t-shirt and ...bag of chips :-p |
| 06:48.42 | Juventino | guys, when i disconnect my eth0, at boot it takes a REALLY long time to boot, trying to configure the unattached network with DHCP, anyway i can fix that? |
| 06:48.51 | Juventino | i mean, if it's not connected then just move on? |
| 06:49.00 | Supaplex | hit ^C ? |
| 06:49.14 | Dewi | markybob: you married somebody you met in a linux support channel? |
| 06:49.30 | enouf | Juventino: set it up as allow-hotplug? |
| 06:49.37 | Juventino | enouf, yes |
| 06:49.41 | markybob | Dewi, heh, not quite :) |
| 06:49.49 | Juventino | Supaplex, but then the wlan0 won't be configured :) |
| 06:50.22 | Bushmills | Juventino: timeout 60 is set default in dhclient config. |
| 06:50.36 | Bushmills | you could consider to ... modify it |
| 06:51.01 | Juventino | Bushmills, how can i modify it? |
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| 06:51.33 | Bushmills | you use a configuration frontend program, called an "editor" |
| 06:51.47 | Guerin | lots of them are available |
| 06:51.48 | Juventino | i mean: |
| 06:51.57 | Supaplex | man 5 interfaces |
| 06:51.59 | Guerin | this is why debian is the most flexible and easily-configured OS ever! |
| 06:52.08 | Juventino | where to modify it? in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:52.13 | enouf | ya know, i'm on lenny/sid mix here, but i still have some sarge packages (don't ask how), anyways, i have dhcpcd doing my dhcp, not dhclient - that's all i wanted to mention about that |
| 06:52.14 | acehigh | Bushmills, did that nose in the coffee bit burn? |
| 06:52.24 | Juventino | and just add the timeout value? |
| 06:52.38 | Guerin | enouf: you poor bastard |
| 06:52.43 | Bushmills | depends on what dhcp client you have installed. the setting i pasted came from dhclient |
| 06:53.03 | enouf | Guerin: but it all works fine - however, i am unable to give advice about using dhclient :-) |
| 06:53.08 | Bushmills | dhcp3-client, that is |
| 06:53.14 | enouf | that too :-p |
| 06:53.35 | scatterp | markybob i am trying to install wine but i get errors can you help me out ? |
| 06:54.08 | Bushmills | acehigh: no, but it sensitized my olifactory sense |
| 06:54.11 | acehigh | wow lag fest central |
| 06:54.21 | acehigh | hehe |
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| 06:54.36 | Supaplex | Juventino: maybe pre-up: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep UP the exit code from grep should throw a wrench at it, and prevent further interface setup. |
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| 06:56.11 | enouf | Juventino: just to confirm, the cat5e cable is unplugged (at boot), yes? |
| 06:56.24 | Juventino | Supaplex, here's the problem, that i also have wlan0 in the networks, and i set it after the boot, but i still need it to be up |
| 06:56.32 | Juventino | enouf, yes |
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| 06:57.01 | enouf | Juventino: is you NIC module listed in /etc/modules? |
| 06:57.08 | enouf | your* |
| 06:57.30 | Bushmills | maybe backgrounding ip adress acquring helps - careful though if next init scripts depend on interface being up and configured |
| 06:57.41 | acehigh | brb |
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| 06:58.16 | xexe | hello |
| 06:58.29 | enouf | bah, rc.local (default S99) is too late, yep |
| 06:58.37 | Juventino | well the thing is, i just want the networking to detect it when it's pluged, and judt ignore it when it's unplugged. |
| 06:59.24 | Supaplex | Juventino: that's interface by interface. pre-up only affects the interface it's configured under |
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| 06:59.54 | Bushmills | Juventino: i think that's too specific a cae - it ignores the possibility that cable is connected, but no dhcp server replies. |
| 07:00.00 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.00 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.04 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.07 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.08 | Bushmills | one solution to catch all may be preferable |
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| 07:00.19 | Supaplex | bah. bad linefeeds. bad. |
| 07:00.25 | xexe | who is Guru apache+PHP+sudoers? |
| 07:00.29 | enouf | Juventino: if you ever used something like network-manager to set it up, those settings are somewhere other than where manual ifconfig/iwconfig/ip commands are (i mean also /etc/network/interfaces) - IINM - i could be wrong though |
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| 07:00.54 | Supaplex | !tell xexe -about ask |
| 07:01.11 | Juventino | enouf, no no, just the usual /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:01.29 | liable | isnt that what allow-hotplug is for? |
| 07:01.32 | Juventino | so pre-up: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep UP before the ifup or auto should solve it? |
| 07:01.35 | Bushmills | xexe: one who as gathered plenty of experience with these three programs |
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| 07:01.55 | enouf | no kwifimanager and what not? - i mentioned it, he says he's using it - but haven't seen contents yet of file |
| 07:02.21 | Supaplex | Juventino: pre-up is part of the interface setup (no : btw). try it and see... |
| 07:02.26 | Juventino | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.39 | enouf | Juventino: let's see your /etc/network/interfaces - i mean there's not an auto as well as allow-hotplug, for ethX, is there? |
| 07:02.57 | Juventino | there's hotplug and auto |
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| 07:03.17 | enouf | Juventino: well, network-manager == k<anything><mangler> == gnome<anything><autoloader> |
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| 07:03.33 | enouf | pastebin |
| 07:03.44 | Juventino | well i only have a networkmanager for wireless networks |
| 07:03.54 | Juventino | cause i use it at different places |
| 07:04.05 | enouf | perhaps - pastebin :-P |
| 07:05.36 | Juventino | http://www.pastebin.ca/1029654 |
| 07:05.48 | ^Optimus^ | Hi, I would like to write a script that does chmod ./dir 755 every 4 hours, does anyone know how I can do this? |
| 07:06.09 | enouf | Juventino: ugh, comment out auto eth0 |
| 07:06.46 | enouf | anyone else, confirm? |
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| 07:06.49 | Juventino | but then, whenever i wanna connect the eth0, i'll have to do it manually? |
| 07:06.58 | Juventino | i mean with ifup eth0? |
| 07:07.18 | enouf | not that i know, the allow-hotplug should take care of that |
| 07:07.21 | xexe | Supaplex: Debian 2.6.4, PHP5, Apache2 in /etc/sudoers - apache2 ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL start php script $test = exec('sudo /sbin/ifconfig'); resume clen page.. in /var/log/apache2/error.log - reguestPassword: |
| 07:07.21 | xexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.31 | Juventino | hmm |
| 07:07.37 | Juventino | let's try that |
| 07:08.17 | ^Optimus^ | Hi, I would like to write a script that does chmod ./dir 755 every 4 hours, does anyone know how I can do this? |
| 07:08.26 | kingsley | ^Optimus^: while true ; do sleep $((4*60*60)) && chmod 755 ./dir ; done |
| 07:08.53 | ^Optimus^ | kingsley: in which file? |
| 07:09.20 | enouf | but c;mon, 'ifup eth0' can't be too much to ask ;-) .. but maybe you can assign it a Static IP and it'll 'up' itself when plugged? |
| 07:09.21 | Bushmills | ^Optimus^: man crontab |
| 07:09.57 | kingsley | ^Optimus^: What Bushmills said. |
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| 07:10.15 | fengor | ^Optimus^: try using cron. or stopping the process that changes the permissions for the directory |
| 07:10.19 | xexe | Supaplex: in error.log query password, but why? in sudores access NOPASSWD |
| 07:10.24 | enouf | man 5 crontab ? |
| 07:10.36 | wols_ | kingsley: eeeek! |
| 07:11.00 | ^Optimus^ | kingsley: i need to place that cmd in a file? |
| 07:11.03 | ^Optimus^ | i dunno linux that well |
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| 07:11.12 | Supaplex | xexe: you don't have to ask me. many people here can possibly answer that. btw I only came back to turn my second monitor off. |
| 07:11.27 | wols_ | ^Optimus^: man 5 crontab |
| 07:11.39 | wols_ | ^Optimus^: ignore what kingsley saif |
| 07:11.43 | wols_ | *said |
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| 07:13.01 | ^Optimus^ | ok |
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| 07:14.57 | Juventino | yea, guess that fixed it |
| 07:14.59 | xexe | Supaplex: who can ask? |
| 07:14.59 | Juventino | thnx guys :D |
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| 07:15.40 | ddalton | how do I get dpkg to tell me how to clone a system? |
| 07:15.53 | mbroeker | !clone |
| 07:15.53 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 07:16.05 | liable | hmm |
| 07:16.14 | liable | !selections |
| 07:16.15 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 07:16.21 | Juventino | !mta |
| 07:16.21 | dpkg | hmm... mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/lib/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask about <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. |
| 07:16.24 | simonrvn | ding |
| 07:16.34 | simonrvn | (the first one) |
| 07:16.36 | ddalton | thanks |
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| 07:17.48 | Juventino | question about MTA, why sometimes it takes it alot of time to load? |
| 07:18.10 | liable | probably dns related. is your interface up when it takes a long time? |
| 07:19.05 | Juventino | liable, yes |
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| 07:19.13 | Juventino | it's on the main pc which is always up |
| 07:19.22 | Juventino | i mean the DNS there and the eth0 |
| 07:19.31 | enouf | kingsley: i love you :-O Someone asked me awhile back how to overwrite a HDD with all 0xFF, welp, i had messed with a bunch of echo and yes combos, but you gave me the idea--> ~$ while true; do echo -en '\377' >> ./crap/test ; done ,though i must admit, i'm not sure how well that would work to a block device - and i ain't trying right now :-P |
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| 07:21.04 | enouf | ddalton: that will not save and setup your configuration though - that'll just install the same pkgs you have now on new system |
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| 07:22.01 | Bushmills | overwriting with ones is not considered safe enough. zero out permeability by writing alternating ones and zeroes serveral times... |
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| 07:22.51 | enouf | ddalton: other options include, also tarring up /etc/ and /home at least and replace the new install with copies of your original - "apt-cache show systemimager" and "apt-cache show bootcd" but i have never used them |
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| 07:23.35 | Bushmills | (i'd probably add a pass of random data as last write) |
| 07:23.40 | enouf | Bushmills: i have no idea why the person wanted to do that, and i never asked - the problem of doing it had me wrapped up ;-) |
| 07:23.45 | clusty | hey |
| 07:23.50 | Stonekeeper | hi. I'm fairly new to Debian so sorry if this is a bit noobish: Is there a repository for more "up-to-date" releases? Is this the "unstable" that i hear about? Again, sorry for the noobness of my question. |
| 07:24.02 | Stonekeeper | *releases=packages |
| 07:24.45 | clusty | our tiny dev server is running a postgresql server which is choking all IO disk access. is there a way to start all postgres processes with the lowest possible ionice? |
| 07:24.47 | enouf | Bushmills: for that, i tell them dban.sf.net, or lesser, use secure-delete, or shred, or just /dev/urandom a few times + mkfs, etc |
| 07:24.48 | Bushmills | enouf: often done before selling/giving away a hard disk |
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| 07:25.00 | clusty | ...and would this fix anything or we need a new HDD? |
| 07:25.56 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 07:27.04 | xexe | hwo knov, why <? scrint echo exec('sudo /sbin/ifconfig'); ?> not execution.. in sudoers apache ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 07:27.04 | xexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.22 | enouf | or, moreso; Glory Holes, Oxyacetylene torches, Angle Grinders, Acid Baths :-P |
| 07:27.43 | enouf | or, just send it to Google's physical HDD Shredder :-P |
| 07:27.50 | Supaplex | xexe: what's the output from `id` ? |
| 07:27.55 | sander | Anyone know why this config is working: http://udrepper.livejournal.com/20187.html but this aint working: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config |
| 07:28.09 | Supaplex | enouf: why, when thermie is so much funner? |
| 07:28.17 | Bushmills | xexe: because the process runs as user www-data, not as user apache? |
| 07:28.17 | mactimes | Hi everyone. |
| 07:28.26 | enouf | indeed ;-) |
| 07:28.28 | sander | In the last config.. The menus and programs gets kinda weird. |
| 07:28.30 | enouf | +t |
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| 07:28.43 | mactimes | I'm facing trouble installing Debian Etch on a computer with a VIA VT8237 SATA controller. |
| 07:29.01 | mactimes | Could someone, please help? I already downloaded the drivers from the vendor's page. |
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| 07:30.56 | Bushmills | mactimes: read the README or INSTALL which comes with the vendor's drivers |
| 07:31.29 | mactimes | Bushmills: Already did. Didn't help me very much doing that. |
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| 07:32.01 | Bushmills | vendor specific things are a bit outside the knowledge domain of most people here |
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| 07:32.26 | Bushmills | you have the advantage that you have those files. we don't |
| 07:32.49 | enouf | you had better not be having issue, i have one of those here, yet to install on .. try booting with; "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" (or use "installgui ..." for gui mode, etc) |
| 07:33.15 | xexe | Supaplex: output /var/log/apache2/error.log - We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System |
| 07:33.15 | xexe | Administrator. It usually boils down to these three things: |
| 07:33.15 | xexe | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.16 | xexe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:33.38 | enouf | mactimes: is that a ppc? a macintel? etch i386? and is it a PCI Card or OnBoard? (as i think it is) |
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| 07:33.43 | Supaplex | grrrr |
| 07:34.01 | ronr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.10 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.18 | mactimes | enouf: It is a GigaByte motherboard, VM900M, which has a VIA VT8237 SATA controller. |
| 07:34.22 | enouf | mactimes: you don't need drivers from vendors pagesm wtf? |
| 07:34.31 | enouf | so? that's old |
| 07:34.38 | Supaplex | xexe: that's NOT id. that's SUDO. and unless APACHE is in /etc/passwd, you've got the WRONG user. |
| 07:34.46 | mactimes | enouf: I'm trying to install Debian on it, but it doesn't find the disks. |
| 07:34.49 | enouf | mactimes: what's the error? |
| 07:35.00 | enouf | ok, HDDs? or CD Drive? |
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| 07:35.13 | mactimes | enouf: HDDs |
| 07:35.46 | mactimes | enouf: I'm booting the CD now, I'll give you the exact message. |
| 07:35.55 | Bushmills | ronr: what does dpkg -l php5 give? |
| 07:35.57 | _Justin_ | exuse me i am trying to change my res to 1026x786 but the only option is 800x600 |
| 07:36.17 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 07:36.23 | wols_ | Judgen__: what debian branch? |
| 07:37.00 | wols_ | _Justin_: what debian branch? |
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| 07:37.41 | _Justin_ | wols_: i am using mepis i came here because they are very similar and there are only 8 peeps in mepis chan |
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| 07:38.17 | fengor | _Justin_: #xorg might be a better place to ask if your distribution channel cant help you |
| 07:38.24 | wols_ | !tell _Justin_ about mepis |
| 07:38.46 | fengor | apart from that. id check if it laoded the right driver for your graphics card and check yourxorg.conf |
| 07:39.02 | _Justin_ | k thanks |
| 07:39.10 | mactimes | enouf: The message is "No disk drive was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your disk drive, you can select it from the list." But there isn't a suitable option. Last option (none of the above) drives me to a step where I should be able to load additional drives, but I just can load them. |
| 07:39.25 | Bushmills | _Justin_: you could ask in #ubuntu, there are even more people than here |
| 07:39.39 | Bushmills | if numbers is the criterium |
| 07:39.41 | _Justin_ | i hate ubuntu |
| 07:39.59 | mactimes | enouf: I tried selecting sata_via, but it won't detect. |
| 07:40.16 | mactimes | _Justin_: Ubuntu can detect my disks ^^ |
| 07:40.33 | enouf | ok, you need to load your module - which would be pata_via for libata use, but that's for the IDE part, you want what i mentioned earlier, as shown http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/drivers/ide/pci/generic.c#L180 |
| 07:40.38 | Bushmills | _Justin_: then try #getnoo. 870 ppl there |
| 07:40.46 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:40.47 | Bushmills | gentoo |
| 07:40.52 | enouf | mactimes: sata_via is not for that |
| 07:41.04 | ^Optimus^ | how to check on linux what time it is on system? |
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| 07:41.09 | _Justin_ | sighs |
| 07:41.17 | useless_k1tty | ^Optimus^: date |
| 07:41.30 | nevyn | _Justin_: doesn't everyone. |
| 07:41.32 | mactimes | enouf: I'll check the link you gave me. |
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| 07:41.46 | ^Optimus^ | 48 9 * * * /usr/bin/chmod 755 /home/gellingm/WWW/lijsten/files >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 07:41.47 | ^Optimus^ | would that run it on 9:48? |
| 07:41.51 | enouf | mactimes: so "installgui generic.all_generic_ide=1" at boot promtp |
| 07:41.57 | _Justin_ | i just thought i'd ask here cuz debain and mepis are almost the same |
| 07:42.12 | _Justin_ | im downloading debian as we speak |
| 07:42.18 | enouf | mactimes: otherwise, go into your BIOS and tweak the IDE Config modes |
| 07:42.25 | _Justin_ | somone told me all i need is the first dvd |
| 07:42.30 | _Justin_ | is that true |
| 07:42.43 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, you only need 1st dvd or 1st cd or net installer |
| 07:42.56 | Supaplex | well don't expect us to verily support every offshoot and wannabe debian. |
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| 07:43.15 | mactimes | enouf: I've set the Sata controller mode for IDE already. |
| 07:43.28 | enouf | mactimes: any reason? |
| 07:43.35 | _Justin_ | does the net installer support wifi |
| 07:43.52 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, if the wifi is supported in the kernel |
| 07:44.05 | mactimes | enouf: I wan't to run RAID via software, controlled by Debian instead of from the motherboard |
| 07:44.22 | enouf | mactimes: you mean mdadm softraid, yes? |
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| 07:44.27 | mactimes | enouf: My previous experiences say it works better |
| 07:44.35 | mactimes | enouf: Yup. |
| 07:44.43 | enouf | it does, how many disk do youhave? |
| 07:44.56 | mactimes | enouf: 2 SATA II |
| 07:45.12 | _Justin_ | lagbolt: so will it work with the netinst i have a ZNAS chipset |
| 07:45.22 | enouf | mactimes: and both hooked up to the VIA controller? not 1 on VIA, 1 on another? |
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| 07:46.02 | mactimes | enouf: There are only 2 jacks for sata on the motherboard. It's a single controller with 2 channels |
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| 07:46.08 | enouf | mactimes: are you sure the 8237 can handle SATAII ? i think it'll only do 1.5gbps (SATA I) |
| 07:46.16 | enouf | i see |
| 07:46.20 | mactimes | enouf: Hold on, I'll make sure |
| 07:47.37 | mactimes | enouf: It says: "IDE Channel 2 MASTER: SAMSUNG HD161HJ GF100-07 SATA2" and "IDE Channel 3 MASTER: SAMSUNG HD161HJ GF100-07 SATA2" |
| 07:47.54 | _Justin_ | will the netinst work with wifi |
| 07:47.55 | enouf | do your drives have Jumpers on the drives to enable/clock down to 1.5gbps mode? .. those are the Drives |
| 07:48.06 | enouf | not the Controller capabilities |
| 07:48.10 | xexe | Bushmills: why runs process apache instead www-data ? |
| 07:48.29 | sander | enouf, do you have the pastebin of my old dmesg file somewhere? |
| 07:48.36 | Bushmills | xexe: your apache config should tell |
| 07:48.43 | enouf | mactimes: look, try what i mentioned already, then if not, we'll look deeper |
| 07:48.50 | enouf | sander: yep ;-) one sec |
| 07:49.04 | mactimes | enouf: Roger, I'll take a look at the link you sent now. |
| 07:49.17 | enouf | sander: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1029491 |
| 07:49.26 | enouf | mactimes: not the link |
| 07:49.35 | enouf | mactimes: so "installgui generic.all_generic_ide=1" at boot promtp |
| 07:49.39 | enouf | mactimes: that ^^^^^^ |
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| 07:49.58 | Bushmills | xexe: grep ^User /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 07:50.01 | mactimes | enouf: I'm doing that now =) |
| 07:50.14 | enouf | gee, thanks for telling me |
| 07:50.31 | xexe | Bushmills: senxxxx one sec |
| 07:50.43 | JyZyXEL | summer vacation just started, Direct rendering is a Yes and i have beer |
| 07:50.48 | enouf | ==> more coffee |
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| 07:51.00 | JyZyXEL | things are goin well |
| 07:51.10 | _Justin_ | the first CD what does that come with |
| 07:51.15 | Bushmills | good call, enouf |
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| 07:52.03 | mactimes | enouf: Same screens, but instead of text-mode interface, now I have GUI. |
| 07:52.28 | enouf | yes, installgui vs install |
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| 07:52.46 | enouf | i have to guess, since nobody speaks up |
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| 07:53.05 | mactimes | enouf: Still, same drivers. Couldn't detect my disks. |
| 07:53.06 | enouf | !8ball should i tell them installgui? or just install? |
| 07:53.06 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
| 07:53.13 | enouf | !8ball should i tell them installgui or just install? |
| 07:53.13 | dpkg | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:53.18 | enouf | lmao |
| 07:53.33 | _Justin_ | if i download the first CD can i install a gui and connect through a wifi card |
| 07:53.44 | enouf | mactimes: ok, ouch - now, is you CD Drive SATA or PATA? |
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| 07:53.59 | simonrvn | 'choose' |
| 07:54.11 | simonrvn | and keep it simple |
| 07:54.15 | fengor | _Justin_: if your wificard is supported by the kernel then yes |
| 07:54.36 | mactimes | enouf: I'll make it a bit clearer. I have the 1st CD only. My CD is connected to an IDE controller, I don't have any issues with the CD. The installer can't detect my SATA hard drives. |
| 07:54.37 | _Justin_ | fengor: where can i figure out if its supported or not |
| 07:54.38 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 07:54.48 | Ace2016 | can you link me to a howto for compiling nvidia thanks |
| 07:55.07 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:55.07 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 07:55.09 | Ace2016 | turning the nvidia.run to the packages that i need |
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| 07:55.32 | mactimes | enouf: I selected (none of the above) and it takes me to a "Load missing drivers from a driver floppy". |
| 07:55.39 | Ace2016 | i'm installing nvidia 173.08 |
| 07:55.40 | fengor | _Justin_: |
| 07:55.42 | simonrvn | Ace2016: see what the bot said |
| 07:55.53 | fengor | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 07:56.00 | fengor | might be a good place to start looking |
| 07:56.02 | enouf | mactimes: ok, got it - so, i want to tell you to take the SATA drive config out of IDE mode, and enable AHCI mode (if available), if only [IDE] Mode and [RAID] select RAID, for AHCI mode - don't worry about RAID meaning RAID |
| 07:56.03 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, i dont know if znat works? |
| 07:56.10 | Lagbolt | sorry i dont know all the wifi drivers in kern. |
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| 07:56.33 | mactimes | enouf: AHCI is available |
| 07:56.44 | mactimes | enouf: Let me boot again and change it on BIOS |
| 07:56.46 | xexe | Bushmills: User www-data, you rights, can change on user apache? |
| 07:56.49 | enouf | mactimes: ok |
| 07:56.58 | Ace2016 | its a custom kernel |
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| 07:57.06 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, if you have a good net connection just use the net installer. you can download what you want. i have no idea what is on CD1 since i have been using net installer for all my installs. |
| 07:57.09 | Ace2016 | and the version in the repos will not work |
| 07:57.41 | fengor | Lagbolt: he wanted to know if the net installer / installer in general supports his wifi card |
| 07:57.42 | _Justin_ | lagbolt: it says on debians site that WLAN is not supported |
| 07:58.06 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 07:58.11 | Ramattack | Hi!!! |
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| 07:58.25 | mactimes | enouf: Err. No AHCI. It was on the other motherboard I left at work. |
| 07:58.32 | mactimes | enouf: I'll enable RAID then |
| 07:59.05 | _Justin_ | i have a ZNAT belkin card and a ralink 2500 card |
| 07:59.05 | enouf | mactimes: hehe, ok |
| 07:59.07 | Ramattack | when is needed file locking to be set in for example a perl code and not let the os to manage it? |
| 07:59.09 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, does it? i see people talking about it on google being available during install |
| 07:59.17 | Ramattack | could you corrupt files? |
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| 07:59.51 | mactimes | enouf: Booting from CD now. |
| 07:59.54 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, do you not have access to a wired connection? it is always a nice fall back |
| 07:59.54 | _Justin_ | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 08:00.00 | freddo_frog | Lagbolt: how are you =] |
| 08:00.07 | Lagbolt | good freddo_frog |
| 08:00.26 | _Justin_ | lagbolt: i have no access to a wired connection |
| 08:00.35 | freddo_frog | Lagbolt: what can i add to /etc/hosts.allow to make it so that only copmuters on my domain can accsess my PC? |
| 08:00.36 | Lagbolt | _Justin_, then you will not be able to use netinstall :( |
| 08:00.50 | _Justin_ | ill just download a image |
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| 08:01.02 | Ace2016 | sweet i found a deb |
| 08:01.14 | Lagbolt | freddo_frog, not entirely sure. i would have to read the man page or google. |
| 08:01.26 | freddo_frog | i cant make sense of it can you have a look at it for me? |
| 08:01.30 | tralala | How do I get rid of these messages: http://rafb.net/p/s89g5h46.html? I have already set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in /etc/default/locale but it isn't helping. |
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| 08:01.41 | mactimes | enouf: No disk drive was detected. |
| 08:01.44 | Lagbolt | freddo_frog, if you edit that file it has some examples too |
| 08:01.51 | kakashi_ | hi |
| 08:01.54 | freddo_frog | it did not have any that i understood |
| 08:02.01 | kakashi_ | my /dev has a problem |
| 08:02.09 | enouf | mactimes: so - the exact same then? |
| 08:02.20 | enouf | mactimes: not your cdrom, correct? |
| 08:02.20 | mactimes | enouf: Yup |
| 08:02.28 | mactimes | enouf: Nonono. |
| 08:02.39 | mactimes | enouf: My CD ROM is OK as always. |
| 08:02.43 | kakashi_ | after I restarted the system I got errors stating /dev/shm /dev/stdin /dev/null directories missing |
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| 08:02.53 | mactimes | enouf: Still can't detect my hard drives |
| 08:02.55 | kakashi_ | kindly help me resolve this |
| 08:02.56 | _Justin_ | so if i download the first DVD will that be fine |
| 08:02.58 | Lagbolt | freddo_frog, looks like something like ALL: .something.com |
| 08:03.05 | freddo_frog | yeah |
| 08:03.09 | freddo_frog | why .com on the end? |
| 08:03.18 | enouf | mactimes: ok, then go grab a kmuto image, is all i can say at this time - unless someone else can offer something, i think the issue might be that the Etch .18 is so older, it doesn't have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA enabled, not sure though |
| 08:03.32 | Lagbolt | lol just example |
| 08:03.45 | Ace2016 | :'( they made the package to conflict with stuff |
| 08:03.46 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.49 | Ace2016 | cries |
| 08:03.50 | kakashi_ | enouf: can you please help me resolve the issue? |
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| 08:04.04 | enouf | mactimes: or heck, try the "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" for the heck of it, while BIOS is in RAID mode |
| 08:04.06 | Lagbolt | freddo_frog, man hosts.allow |
| 08:04.08 | freddo_frog | Lagbolt: how do i get a .edu or .com on my domain name? |
| 08:04.26 | mactimes | enouf: I guess I'll just install Ubuntu server on it. What makes me sad is horrible RAID support it has. |
| 08:04.31 | Lagbolt | freddo_frog, and try it. if you can get to it from a machine not in your domain then it is not working i suppose |
| 08:04.38 | freddo_frog | hmm ok |
| 08:04.40 | freddo_frog | =] |
| 08:04.54 | enouf | mactimes: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ backported installer images, newer kernels |
| 08:04.57 | freddo_frog | if i have ALL: ALL: DENY |
| 08:05.00 | freddo_frog | in hosts.deny |
| 08:05.10 | freddo_frog | if i have SSHD: ALL: ALLOW |
| 08:05.24 | Ace2016 | it has installed, i made it |
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| 08:05.26 | Ace2016 | brb |
| 08:05.32 | mactimes | enouf: I'm trying what you just said. |
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| 08:05.35 | enouf | mactimes: also try your sata_via, and pata_via as you were previously, using your Etch image |
| 08:05.39 | enouf | ok |
| 08:05.41 | freddo_frog | would it let me get in or not |
| 08:05.43 | Lagbolt | freddo_frog, http://closedsrc.org/_static/dn-articles/hosts_allow.html |
| 08:05.46 | enouf | kakashi_: hrm |
| 08:05.49 | kakashi_ | also I cannot mount my USB drives since my /dev has been screwed |
| 08:05.59 | _Justin_ | sleeps |
| 08:06.00 | enouf | kakashi_: chroot install? |
| 08:06.09 | wols_ | screwed how? udev manages /dev |
| 08:06.15 | freddo_frog | which doeshmm |
| 08:06.16 | enouf | kakashi_: is udevd running? |
| 08:06.16 | freddo_frog | ok |
| 08:06.24 | kakashi_ | let me check |
| 08:06.41 | kakashi_ | no |
| 08:06.44 | enouf | wols_: all he said was; <kakashi_> after I restarted the system I got errors stating /dev/shm /dev/stdin /dev/null directories missing |
| 08:06.59 | enouf | restarted when? after an installation? no what? |
| 08:07.00 | PiousMinion | I'm trying to use /etc/fstab to mount an smb share, but it sets the owner of the files in the share to root. How do I set which user owns the files? |
| 08:07.04 | kakashi_ | no |
| 08:07.09 | enouf | lmao |
| 08:07.11 | mactimes | enouf: Dud torpedo, Sir! |
| 08:07.14 | kakashi_ | just a narmal reboot |
| 08:07.15 | enouf | !nosmite kakashi_ |
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| 08:07.31 | enouf | mactimes: er.. huh? no bueno? |
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| 08:07.39 | wols_ | PiousMinion: set uid and gid |
| 08:07.40 | kakashi_ | enouf: what does that mean? |
| 08:07.41 | mactimes | enouf: I'll give Ubuntu Server a try. I'm pretty sure it will detect it. |
| 08:07.48 | enouf | mactimes: grah - try the kmuto images, .23 or .24 |
| 08:08.08 | Ace2016 | 173.08 beta works |
| 08:08.12 | PiousMinion | wols_: how do I do that in fstab? If I change files and remount they get changed back. |
| 08:08.26 | enouf | yeah, likely, ok, do what you like - it's yours - but know mactimes you need to go to #ubuntu for help then after |
| 08:08.26 | wols_ | by setting it in the options field? |
| 08:08.42 | kakashi_ | enouf, wols_ should I reinstall udev? |
| 08:08.52 | Sebboh | Hi. Hm, I used nmap on myself and it reported some open ports. But netstat -anp doesn't show anything listening on those ports. .. Der, what? FTP for example. |
| 08:09.00 | wols_ | kakashi_: the question is why is it missing? and you haven't really answered properly |
| 08:09.12 | kakashi_ | I really don't know what happened |
| 08:09.17 | mactimes | enouf: I can handle Ubuntu well. I give support on it at #ubuntu-br. My real problem is the RAID issue that Ubuntu has. |
| 08:09.18 | wols_ | Sebboh: did you run netstat as root? |
| 08:09.24 | Sebboh | wols_, yes. |
| 08:09.24 | enouf | kakashi_: when was the last time you rebooted? upgraded? wich debian version? |
| 08:09.50 | mactimes | enouf: I tested under Debian and it works perfectly. Ubuntu fails on RAID when u remove a disk to test. |
| 08:09.54 | enouf | mactimes: i see - well their .22-x kernel had nasty issues with SATA+PATA |
| 08:10.06 | enouf | mactimes: ok |
| 08:10.25 | mactimes | enouf: Is there any version newer then etch I could test? |
| 08:10.38 | enouf | mactimes: sure, lenny - but also kmuto |
| 08:11.05 | enouf | mactimes: kmuto images will give you a newer kernel, but most everything else will be etch |
| 08:11.11 | JyZyXEL | what was that trick to override the default compiler |
| 08:11.20 | JyZyXEL | export CC=gcc4.1 doesn't work |
| 08:11.29 | enouf | mactimes: it's the kernel config abd support that's the issue |
| 08:11.33 | kakashi_ | current kernel 2.6.18-5, rebooted just now, upgraded about a week back with source ---> debian testing version |
| 08:11.45 | enouf | mactimes: or, i'm just a b0z0 and can't get the combo correct for you |
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| 08:12.14 | enouf | JyZyXEL: erm gcc-4.1 |
| 08:12.23 | JyZyXEL | whatever |
| 08:12.27 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't work |
| 08:12.31 | enouf | O_o |
| 08:12.34 | mactimes | enouf: Well, anyways, thanks for you time and patience. |
| 08:12.37 | enouf | whatever? lmao |
| 08:12.39 | PiousMinion | wols_: I specified "setuid=1000,setgid=1000" in fstab, but root still owns the files when I remount. ideas? |
| 08:12.45 | enouf | mactimes: welcome ;-) |
| 08:12.46 | JyZyXEL | there was some trick you had to do in debian |
| 08:12.57 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: if you makefile call cc, that set by /etc/alternatives |
| 08:13.02 | Bushmills | grr |
| 08:13.04 | kakashi_ | wols_ enouf any hopes of a recovery? |
| 08:13.04 | enouf | export HOSTCC= ? |
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| 08:13.09 | Bushmills | your / calls |
| 08:13.18 | enouf | JyZyXEL: you have gcc-4.1 installed? |
| 08:13.29 | JyZyXEL | yes -.- |
| 08:13.31 | enouf | kakashi_: you need to answer our questions |
| 08:13.40 | JyZyXEL | its same with all the installers |
| 08:13.48 | JyZyXEL | they say use CC variable to override default compiler |
| 08:13.51 | kakashi_ | I have current ---> kernel 2.6.18-5, rebooted just now, upgraded about a week back with source ---> debian testing version |
| 08:13.52 | JyZyXEL | it works in none |
| 08:13.57 | JyZyXEL | there was some trick |
| 08:13.59 | enouf | Bushmills: i'm pretty sure, gcc is not a part of update-alernatives |
| 08:14.03 | JyZyXEL | its in the dpkg bot |
| 08:14.07 | JyZyXEL | i can't jsut fucking find it |
| 08:14.13 | enouf | JyZyXEL: the symlink in /usr/bin/gcc |
| 08:14.17 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 08:14.21 | enouf | points to version |
| 08:14.23 | JyZyXEL | you have to set it to somewhere else |
| 08:14.23 | Bushmills | enouf: well, cc -> gcc, according /etc/alternatives |
| 08:14.26 | enouf | link it to others |
| 08:14.32 | Bushmills | enouf: but not gcc version. |
| 08:14.39 | Bushmills | so that's irrelevant |
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| 08:14.52 | clusty | hey |
| 08:14.54 | enouf | huh? |
| 08:14.55 | kakashi_ | enouf: did you see it? |
| 08:14.56 | Pulpie | hey |
| 08:15.06 | JyZyXEL | yeaa /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.2 |
| 08:15.11 | JyZyXEL | how do you change that |
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| 08:15.20 | enouf | man ln |
| 08:15.27 | clusty | how can I change the startup script of some daemon to always receive a ionice in the begnning |
| 08:15.33 | enouf | kakashi_: current is .18-6 |
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| 08:15.48 | BBHoss | hey anyone know how to specify the nice value of the gpg instance that duplicity creates? |
| 08:15.48 | clusty | i am asking this since ionice needs root and I think daemon starts as regular users |
| 08:15.49 | enouf | kakashi_: and testing is .24 |
| 08:15.53 | JyZyXEL | is it: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc usr/bin/gcc-4.1 or ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 08:16.02 | enouf | kakashi_: so, .18-5 is an older Etch |
| 08:16.06 | JyZyXEL | i can never understand that from the manual |
| 08:16.09 | JyZyXEL | and i always forget |
| 08:16.20 | JyZyXEL | is it ln -s [FROM WHERE] [TO WHERE] |
| 08:16.25 | kakashi_ | enouf: yes mine is a combination of Etch lenny and testing |
| 08:16.28 | clusty | JyZyXEL, second |
| 08:16.29 | JyZyXEL | or ln -s [TO WHERE] [FROM WHERE] |
| 08:16.31 | Pulpie | guys I have decided not to have sex. |
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| 08:16.51 | clusty | ln -s <asdasd> makes asdasda in local dir |
| 08:16.56 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.57 | enouf | JyZyXEL: i don't recommend it, so i won't say, the export CC= should be working, but maybe not in some specific crappy VMWarez setttings - see #vmware |
| 08:17.04 | clusty | ln -s <asdasd> </asda/asda> makes it in blahh |
| 08:17.07 | \3TATU1 | Is /etc/crontab run once at system startup? |
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| 08:17.12 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi I have a username prim@ry@abc.com obviously I can not use that username for ftp because prim@ry has the @ sign in it I tried to escape it using Prim\@ry but that did not work..any clues ?Thx |
| 08:17.26 | JyZyXEL | enouf this same is with nvidia installer |
| 08:17.30 | JyZyXEL | it also says to use CC variable |
| 08:17.36 | JyZyXEL | and it doesn't work |
| 08:17.36 | \3TATU1 | sysadmin-lb22: don't use prim@ry |
| 08:17.55 | clusty | so anyone has clues as to how to ionice a process at startup? |
| 08:18.00 | clusty | no1 :D? |
| 08:18.01 | JyZyXEL | there was a oneliner for this |
| 08:18.02 | sysadmin-lb22 | \3TATU1, that is the username I got assigned..dont got a lot of choices |
| 08:18.02 | JyZyXEL | in the bot |
| 08:18.11 | Lagbolt | clusty, what are you trying to nice? |
| 08:18.15 | \3TATU1 | sysadmin-lb22: how about 'primary'? |
| 08:18.20 | JyZyXEL | it was pretty hard |
| 08:18.33 | clusty | Lagbolt, i want to IOnice postgres :D |
| 08:18.55 | sysadmin-lb22 | \3TATU1, I mean this is the username I got from the remote company...as is ...is there some way to make this one work..before asking for it to be chanegd.. |
| 08:18.57 | enouf | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 08:19.00 | \3TATU1 | sysadmin-lb22: upgrade your email system |
| 08:19.09 | \3TATU1 | otherwise, no |
| 08:19.14 | JyZyXEL | apt-get remove gcc-4.2; vmware-config; apt-get install gcc-4.2 |
| 08:19.22 | clusty | Lagbolt, problem is i need to do it as root (which is sucky) |
| 08:19.24 | Lagbolt | clusty, and that starts in init.d? |
| 08:19.24 | sysadmin-lb22 | \3TATU1, this is ftp |
| 08:19.31 | clusty | Lagbolt, yes |
| 08:19.33 | JyZyXEL | the fast way |
| 08:19.49 | JyZyXEL | but seriosly what a bullshit solution |
| 08:19.53 | clusty | i should just pust a ionice -c3 in front of the start command |
| 08:20.04 | \3TATU1 | sysadmin-lb22: *upgrade your ftp system |
| 08:20.08 | kakashi_ | wols_: any ideas? |
| 08:20.14 | clusty | Lagbolt, but postgres starts as postgres rather than root |
| 08:20.15 | Lagbolt | clusty, you could do that, or you could use the PID to ionice it |
| 08:20.15 | \3TATU1 | otherwise no |
| 08:20.34 | clusty | Lagbolt, any way to do it automagically? |
| 08:20.41 | Lagbolt | clusty, you can use "su" to run ionice as postgres |
| 08:20.50 | Lagbolt | clusty, edit the init script |
| 08:20.50 | clusty | Lagbolt, at every reboot |
| 08:20.59 | Lagbolt | clusty, or make your own that does it |
| 08:21.03 | enouf | JyZyXEL: the way to alter the link is cd /usr/bin ; ln -sf gcc-4.1 gcc (If I'm not mistaken), do NOT forget to alter it back if it works |
| 08:21.12 | clusty | without me punching in a password always |
| 08:21.23 | wols_ | kakashi_: is udevd installed/running? |
| 08:21.25 | Lagbolt | clusty, you shouldnt have to use passwords in those scripts |
| 08:21.34 | kakashi_ | udevd is not running |
| 08:21.45 | enouf | you type too fucken fast, and yu tke too much ritalin |
| 08:21.47 | Lagbolt | clusty, it should be running with root privs |
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| 08:21.52 | enouf | kakashi_: start it |
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| 08:21.53 | clusty | Lagbolt, great. will give it a try now |
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| 08:22.01 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 08:22.05 | wols_ | kakashi_: install it |
| 08:22.05 | enouf | kakashi_: /etc/init.d/udev start |
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| 08:22.10 | Lagbolt | clusty, so su -c "comand" username |
| 08:22.29 | Lagbolt | something like that if you want to ionice as postgres, but i would think root has no prob renicing the process |
| 08:22.30 | kakashi_ | enouf wols_ : this is the out put /etc/init.d/udev: line 69: 3919 Segmentation fault ln -s $arg1 /dev/$name |
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| 08:22.47 | clusty | well postgres should start as postgres user but ionicing should be done as root |
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| 08:23.03 | enouf | kakashi_: cat /proc/version |
| 08:23.35 | kakashi_ | enouf wols_: this is the output Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 00:47:00 UTC 2007 |
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| 08:24.03 | enouf | kakashi_: 1st of all, you should upgrade your kernel at the least |
| 08:24.26 | Lagbolt | clusty, so just write your own script that changes it :) then it will run as root |
| 08:24.45 | enouf | kakashi_: have you been using aptitude or apt-get to install pkgs? |
| 08:24.50 | clusty | Lagbolt, seems best way :D |
| 08:24.51 | kakashi_ | apt-get |
| 08:25.10 | enouf | kakashi_: ok, apt-get update and apt-get -s upgrade |
| 08:25.17 | enouf | kakashi_: the -s will simulate |
| 08:25.27 | kakashi_ | ok |
| 08:25.51 | enouf | kakashi_: you do have security.debian,org lines as well in sources.list? |
| 08:26.35 | kakashi_ | enouf: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main is what i have |
| 08:26.53 | wols_ | kakashi_: don't mix distros. stick with one or use at most etch+backports |
| 08:27.00 | enouf | kakashi_: ugh, ok - well too late - let |
| 08:27.10 | enouf | 's hope you get the correct openssl upgrades |
| 08:27.30 | kakashi_ | ok |
| 08:27.49 | kakashi_ | enouf: now I will remove -s and upgrade right |
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| 08:28.34 | enouf | kakashi_: correct, you were supposed to make sure , no damage would be casused, like removing the running kernel without giving you a new one ;-) |
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| 08:29.18 | enouf | otherwise -s is basically useless :-P, unless there was a major error too, i suppose |
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| 08:30.25 | enouf | kakashi_: anyway, make a mental note to see /topic and the "/msg dpkg dsa1571" (openssl issues) |
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| 08:30.55 | vicfred | hi all |
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| 08:35.55 | bdzi | probably someone know how to look ms server 2003 hard disks load-averages? |
| 08:36.34 | kakashi_ | enouf: Errors were encountered while processing: gettext po-debconf E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 08:36.56 | humbolt | How do I make seahorse use my new SSH key? |
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| 08:37.34 | enouf | kakashi_: kind of typical you get errors when mixing releases and not knowing so well |
| 08:38.02 | meandrain | Hello. How do i find using "top" the cpu usage of a thread inside a kernel, for example for routing |
| 08:38.15 | Supaplex | apt-get install thermite *FOOM* |
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| 08:38.40 | luca | can anyone give me some good how to for a complete email server setup with database (eg mysql) web interface (roundcube or squirrelmail) postfix as the email server maybe ... ? |
| 08:38.46 | kakashi_ | enouf: should I restart the system now? |
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| 08:39.08 | mactimes | enouf: Hey, is Lenny the latest stable version of Debian? |
| 08:39.14 | Supaplex | meandrain: you'd have to enable profiling. I don't think routing has its own thread |
| 08:39.26 | meandrain | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.29 | Supaplex | mactimes: nay. that's etch. |
| 08:39.42 | enouf | mactimes: no, learn more; /msg dpkg releases |
| 08:39.42 | mactimes | Supaplex: Lenny is the Unstable then? |
| 08:39.47 | enouf | mactimes: no |
| 08:39.49 | Supaplex | mactimes: testing |
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| 08:39.52 | enouf | lenny == testing |
| 08:40.03 | mactimes | oh. |
| 08:40.07 | mactimes | Supaplex: Thanks! |
| 08:40.12 | enouf | kakashi_: i guess :-P |
| 08:40.19 | meandrain | Supaplex: on freebsd for example can issue top -S, and I can see threads from kernel |
| 08:40.19 | Supaplex | np. that'll be $84 |
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| 08:40.26 | kakashi_ | I 'll keep my fingers crossed |
| 08:40.29 | mactimes | enouf: I've been reading some forums and they say lenny can solve the issue with the sata controller |
| 08:40.37 | meandrain | by default top does not display it |
| 08:40.39 | Supaplex | meandrain: I use htop, it's eaiser to scroll down the list. |
| 08:40.47 | enouf | mactimes: indeed - newer kernel (2.6.24) |
| 08:40.58 | mactimes | enouf: But I'm not sure it would be a good idea setting up a testing version for a production server. |
| 08:41.04 | enouf | mactimes: i guess you didn't hear me that last 3 times O_O |
| 08:41.17 | enouf | mactimes: right - so middle ground is kmuto |
| 08:41.24 | vicfred | how do i update to lenny from etch? |
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| 08:41.33 | mactimes | enouf: Hum. |
| 08:41.35 | enouf | mactimes: i guess you didn't hear me that last 3 times about that either O_O |
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| 08:42.07 | eth01 | enouf: obviously not "O_O" (whatever that stupid thing is) |
| 08:42.17 | mactimes | enouf: Yes, I did. I just didn't want to move out from _standard_ debian. |
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| 08:42.46 | mactimes | enouf: Any idea when Lenny will _become_ stable? |
| 08:43.01 | enouf | mactimes: er, kmuto is about as close as you'll get to etch-backports atm |
| 08:43.26 | stew | mactimes: there are newer official kernels for etch: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 08:43.33 | enouf | mactimes: sometime later this year, or next year - really it's when the release-critical bugs ==0 |
| 08:43.56 | meandrain | Supaplex: http://www.catalin.gamesrebirth.com/htop.png |
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| 08:44.22 | meandrain | i have 30% on one core but cpu is almost 0% for userland apps, I use that machine for forwarding |
| 08:44.23 | enouf | stew: should i now be redirecting newcomers with newer hardware who want Etch to etchnhalf over kmuto? |
| 08:44.32 | tralala | How do I get rid of these messages: http://rafb.net/p/s89g5h46.html? I have already set LC_ALL and LANGUAGE in /etc/default/locale but it isn't helping. |
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| 08:44.45 | mactimes | stew: Thank you. |
| 08:44.55 | mactimes | enouf: Thank you. |
| 08:45.06 | Supaplex | meandrain: okay. 0.11 isn't a high load |
| 08:45.13 | cusco | tralala: I would dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:45.13 | enouf | mactimes: ok ;-) |
| 08:45.34 | stew | enouf: maybe? |
| 08:45.42 | meandrain | Supaplex: yes but in the evening 30% on one core gets 100% and i have packet loss |
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| 08:46.05 | tralala | cusco, this was the first thing I did. |
| 08:46.09 | Supaplex | meandrain: juniper.net can fix your route load problems. :P |
| 08:46.35 | enouf | stew: ok, do i also understand r4 will make (or be the time when) etchnhalf (is) official? |
| 08:46.40 | meandrain | Supaplex: i want to use cpu affinity with tasksel but i need the pid of that thread :) |
| 08:46.48 | mactimes | stew: Sorry about the stupid question, but the latest stable release from the website comes with this _new_installer? |
| 08:46.53 | meandrain | (taskset) |
| 08:47.26 | stew | mactimes: no, it doesn't |
| 08:47.34 | mactimes | stew: Oh, ok. |
| 08:47.40 | Supaplex | meandrain: better question. what thread (if it exists) handles routing? |
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| 08:48.15 | kakashi_ | enouf: cat /proc/version says Linux version 2.6.18-5-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Fri Jun 1 00:47:00 UTC 2007 |
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| 08:48.29 | kakashi_ | enouf: but no success with udev |
| 08:48.47 | kakashi_ | the segmentation fault re occours |
| 08:48.57 | enouf | kakashi_: you still didn't get a newer kernel? your sources.list must be really messed up - pastebin the contents |
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| 08:49.07 | kakashi_ | yes |
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| 08:49.18 | enouf | kakashi_: did you upgrade from Sarge at one point not too long ago? |
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| 08:49.39 | kakashi_ | yeah |
| 08:49.53 | enouf | kakashi_: dpkg -l hotplug |
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| 08:51.29 | kakashi_ | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m2e92d84d |
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| 08:52.26 | lagaran | hello, can someone point me to a good guide/how to on what would be the best network setup for a: Internet Server(services like router/http/mail..) , Local Server (services for local users only) , and workstations |
| 08:52.52 | enouf | kakashi_: dpkg -l hotplug udev hal dbus | grep ^.i er, WTF is this? deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor testing main M |
| 08:53.15 | enouf | kakashi_: is that an official debian mirror? why do i doubt that |
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| 08:53.39 | kakashi_ | enouf: that is for a specific application called tor |
| 08:53.46 | kakashi_ | I can remove that as well |
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| 08:54.12 | kakashi_ | I put it when I needed to install tor |
| 08:54.19 | enouf | kakashi_: comment those out, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:54.28 | Bushmills | lagaran: internet server don't tend to be routers. often they have just a single NIC. apache2 docs are quite good. mail depends on your choice of MTA. postfix or exim might the the best candidates |
| 08:54.44 | kakashi_ | enouf: that means I will only have two |
| 08:54.47 | enouf | kakashi_: could be a rocky ride ;-) |
| 08:54.56 | kakashi_ | security and main? |
| 08:55.11 | Bushmills | lagaran: you might want to read about dns, when intending to run a server |
| 08:55.14 | enouf | kakashi_: 2 is fine , but add more if you like - /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 08:55.57 | Bushmills | lagaran: and i'd not suggest to run local users on an internet server - make that two different machines |
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| 08:56.01 | enouf | kakashi_: you should eventually have a .24.1 kernel evenyually, IINM, if dist-upgrade goes correctly |
| 08:56.10 | lagaran | Bushmills: that's the point |
| 08:56.16 | enouf | kakashi_: and you'll be all testing/lenny |
| 08:56.41 | Bushmills | lagaran: for *services* to local users, consider a VPN |
| 08:56.46 | Bushmills | like, openvpn |
| 08:57.13 | lagaran | Bushmills: atm i have ISP Mediaconvertor --> SERVER (runs apache/mail/internal application/ and acts as a gateway) --> switch --> 15-20 workstations |
| 08:57.46 | lagaran | Bushmills: and want to converst this to something like: SERVER1 (gw/http/mail) + SERVER2(internal stuff) + 30-40 workstations |
| 08:58.18 | Bushmills | lagaran: how much wire between server1 and server2? |
| 08:58.31 | lagaran | Bushmills: 20cm :P |
| 08:58.33 | tralala | lagaran, I'd suggest a 3 dmz setup - dmz1 - inet server, dmz2 - internal server, dmz3 - workstations |
| 08:58.54 | Bushmills | lagaran: ok, no vpn needed between those two |
| 08:59.10 | kakashi_ | enouf: nothing is happening as such, it is just upgrading some useless packages like liferea xulrunner etc |
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| 08:59.14 | enouf | 20 centimeters? |
| 08:59.31 | enouf | you want 3-6' minimum, no? |
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| 08:59.53 | slxix | about 8 inches |
| 08:59.55 | lagaran | enouf: the point was that the servers are next to each other |
| 09:00.18 | enouf | kakashi_: yourr using pinning? |
| 09:00.24 | enouf | you're* |
| 09:00.35 | kakashi_ | what is pinning ? |
| 09:00.38 | Bushmills | lagaran: other than that, what tralala says makes sense. don't put server1 on LAN side |
| 09:00.41 | enouf | kakashi_: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 09:00.42 | lagaran | tralala: how do i accomplish that ? |
| 09:00.58 | enouf | lagaran: oh, hehe, thought you meant wire length |
| 09:01.03 | tralala | lagaran, with shorewall as a router/firewall it will be quite easy. Shorewall has excellent documentation with examples. |
| 09:01.20 | kakashi_ | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m5478bd97 |
| 09:01.25 | Pulpie | can I offer anyone in a free shell? :P |
| 09:02.10 | tralala | lagaran, you'll need a 4 nic box - 1 nic per dmz and one for the internet connection. |
| 09:02.27 | lagaran | tralala: atm im at the design from hw pov |
| 09:03.01 | lagaran | tralala: from soft firewall/router pov i will eventualy figure it out, tons of docs on google |
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| 09:03.16 | kakashi_ | enouf: any other alternative to get it going ? |
| 09:03.17 | enouf | kakashi_: you have no 500 priority default (along with the 100) that i'm accustomed to seeing, not sure the cause |
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| 09:03.33 | lagaran | tralala: the actual NIC, switch, connections worries me atm |
| 09:03.48 | scatterp | hi when i run wine my computer makes a connection to xming which is on ip *.*.*.*:6000 where can i edit that ip address? |
| 09:03.50 | enouf | kakashi_: ls -l /etc/apt/prefernces |
| 09:03.54 | enouf | kakashi_: ls -l /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 09:04.28 | Bushmills | scatterp: in the ocnfig of the program which makes that request? |
| 09:04.31 | Bushmills | config |
| 09:04.33 | kakashi_ | enouf: no such file/directory |
| 09:05.16 | Bushmills | hmm ... 6000 ... that's X11 |
| 09:05.32 | Supaplex | well I'll be, xming sounds like an x app. |
| 09:05.35 | slxix | "Xming is the leading free unlimited X Window server for Microsoft Windows (XP/2003/Vista)." |
| 09:05.40 | enouf | kakashi_: ok, cat /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 09:05.40 | wols_ | Supaplex: X server for windows |
| 09:06.09 | Supaplex | heh. just a guess. :) |
| 09:06.22 | Supaplex | slxix sounds like a better guesser ;) |
| 09:06.29 | scatterp | the x server is runing on windows how ever i dont want my linux connecting to that x server useing the local ip i want it to connect to 127.0.0.1:6000 (port forward) |
| 09:06.37 | kakashi_ | enouf: even that doesn't exist |
| 09:06.38 | slxix | i took a google guess. |
| 09:06.49 | wols_ | scatterp: DISPLAY env var |
| 09:06.58 | enouf | kakashi_: $editor /etc/apt/apt.conf and add one line; APT::Default-Release "testing"; (or make it "lenny" if you want to follow lenny to stable - then changes sources.list to be the same) |
| 09:06.58 | slxix | the project is on sourceforge. it looks _mostly_ free. :) |
| 09:07.02 | Bushmills | goes *to* 6000. means, orignated by a/any X client |
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| 09:07.14 | wols_ | scatterp: that's bad. you don't want to portforward local port 6000 |
| 09:07.21 | wols_ | just connect directly |
| 09:07.32 | enouf | kakashi_: APT::Default-Release "testing"; <--include the semi-colon |
| 09:07.46 | kakashi_ | doen |
| 09:07.58 | tralala | lagaran, that's what I have in mind from hw pov: http://rafb.net/p/E00JEe82.html |
| 09:07.59 | kakashi_ | now apt-get upgrade ?? |
| 09:08.01 | slxix | ..and i like how the description uses the word "leading" when I've never heard of it before. :) |
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| 09:08.12 | enouf | kakashi_: do the trifecta now again, update/upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 09:08.14 | scatterp | wols_ could you explain a little more "DISPLAY env var" what will that do .... i am using proxychains on the application so i would connect via some far away ip unless it was 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:08.29 | Bushmills | may mean "runs like having lead in its shoes" |
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| 09:09.00 | enouf | kakashi_: add another mirror too perhaps, "/msg dpkg mirrors" choose an http:// one |
| 09:09.20 | kakashi_ | yeah |
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| 09:09.22 | kakashi_ | I have |
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| 09:10.01 | enouf | you're wearing me out kiddo .. need a break soon |
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| 09:10.15 | kakashi_ | uh! sorry enouf |
| 09:10.30 | enouf | kakashi_: not just you - no worries |
| 09:10.50 | lagaran | tralala: looks good, i will work on it, ty for advice |
| 09:10.58 | tralala | lagaran, you're welcome |
| 09:10.58 | Lagbolt | enouf, breaks are gooooooooooooooood |
| 09:11.07 | enouf | heh |
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| 09:11.24 | enouf | ya know hen you get a headache in your eyeball? |
| 09:12.02 | enouf | too much caffeine + trying to type like these kids do (5000 wpm) |
| 09:12.04 | Lagbolt | lol ouch |
| 09:12.11 | Bushmills | enouf: try another coffee then |
| 09:12.19 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:12.24 | Bushmills | prevent deprivation |
| 09:12.29 | Ace2016 | how do i modify sudoers to allow one command to be run without a password |
| 09:12.40 | enouf | Bushmills: actually, i think it's time for a nice tall cool snort ;-) |
| 09:12.41 | Ace2016 | specificly killall -9 |
| 09:12.47 | scatterp | Bushmills so would wine be my X client ? |
| 09:12.55 | Bushmills | scatterp: yes. |
| 09:12.56 | tralala | Ace2016, (NOPASSWD) CMD |
| 09:13.21 | tralala | Ace2016, details are available in the appropriate manual pages |
| 09:13.35 | Bushmills | enouf: i received a hole delivery of finest sicilian beans recently. half my fridge is full with coffee atm :) |
| 09:13.45 | Ace2016 | and do i add that as an extra line? and what about wild cards since its sudo killall -9 opera and sometimes busycpu and rarely some others too |
| 09:13.59 | slxix | hmm. a coffee ATM. |
| 09:14.27 | utrrrongeeb | When I use vi in my test system, the arrow keys insert A,B,C,& D, and inserting text is clunky and unpredictable. It's not like that in my other system. W |
| 09:14.43 | utrrrongeeb | W=mistake |
| 09:15.52 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: souds like wrong TERM variable |
| 09:16.05 | Bushmills | sounds |
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| 09:16.05 | enouf | Bushmills: haha |
| 09:16.15 | kakashi_ | enouf: a couple of minutes |
| 09:16.22 | enouf | kakashi_: np |
| 09:16.24 | Bushmills | enouf: not? |
| 09:16.25 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: What should it be? |
| 09:16.42 | enouf | Bushmills: bravo! |
| 09:16.54 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: This occurs in tty1, not just xterms. |
| 09:17.02 | enouf | Bushmills: i got my drink in hand now babay |
| 09:17.03 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: no idea. depends on your envi. try xterm, rxvt, linux or such |
| 09:17.34 | scatterp | Bushmills the only config i can find is winecfg and that does not contain an ip since i dont manualy put an ip in to any of these programs surely its stored somewhere |
| 09:18.02 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: Okay, thanks! I'll try that. However, if that doesn't work? |
| 09:18.03 | Bushmills | scatterp: if that's wine - what is likely - you want to to talk to :6000 |
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| 09:18.18 | Bushmills | that's what draws the windows on your screen |
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| 09:18.33 | scatterp | port 6000 yes |
| 09:18.33 | Ace2016 | thanks, the man page helped, i was confused about having multiple entries, seems i only needed to separate stuff with commas |
| 09:18.38 | scatterp | but localhost |
| 09:18.49 | Bushmills | right |
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| 09:19.21 | wols_ | scatterp: I just told you: environment variable DISPLAY |
| 09:19.25 | ma3x | why a wireless router of 54 mbps only achieves speed of 1 MByte- 2 maximum. the computer is 1 meter from the router. it should go up to about 8 MBytes |
| 09:19.26 | tweakism | I have a mixed testing/unstable system. does aptitude upgrade intelligently? (upgrade /unstable packages to newest unstable, upgrade /testing packages to newest testing)? |
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| 09:19.41 | scatterp | wols_ could you explain a little more "DISPLAY env var" what will that do .... i am using proxychains on the application so i would connect via some far away ip unless it was 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:19.45 | wols_ | mac no it should not |
| 09:20.01 | gynterk | is there a program for debian which lets you to capture digital-video via firewire? |
| 09:20.04 | rvsjoen | I have a text file http://www.sflow.org/sflow_version_5.txt which looks like its formatted for print, but when I print it the page headers/footers are all wrong and its just a mess... are there any tools that do this ? |
| 09:20.05 | enouf | Bushmills: yeah, earlier about the cc -> gcc thing in /etc/alternatives, heh, i went through that with 'rename' - came up with the shortcut ;-) "readlink -f `which rename` (or hatever binary you wish to find ;-)) |
| 09:20.12 | enouf | s/hatever/whatever |
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| 09:20.45 | xingu | sighs and wonders if it's worth braining up against racoon's broken ipv6 one more time |
| 09:20.54 | Ace2016 | how do i get which to show all possibilities? so for which mount show me all the mount executables in all the paths |
| 09:20.57 | wols_ | scatterp: try localhost:0 and then port forward port 6001 to wherever maybe |
| 09:21.09 | enouf | xingu: noooooo :-p |
| 09:21.22 | wols_ | Ace2016: "mount"<tab><tab> |
| 09:21.30 | Supaplex | Ace2016: man which. |
| 09:21.33 | wols_ | scatterp: ^ty localhost:1 rather |
| 09:21.34 | xingu | ponders giving up and using openvpn |
| 09:21.41 | scatterp | wols_ so its wine my.exe -display localhost:1 |
| 09:21.46 | wols_ | scatterp: no |
| 09:21.48 | ma3x | anyone answer my question please |
| 09:21.51 | Ace2016 | oh cool, never knew that |
| 09:21.55 | wols_ | it's export DISPLAY |
| 09:22.01 | scatterp | ok |
| 09:22.01 | Supaplex | !tell ma3x -about ask |
| 09:22.10 | Ace2016 | DISPLAY=:1 command |
| 09:22.14 | wols_ | ma3x: brutto != netto |
| 09:22.19 | wols_ | especially on wlan |
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| 09:22.29 | scatterp | DISPLAY=displayname; export DISPLAY |
| 09:22.37 | enouf | ma3x: try another channel? add more? 1 + 6 + 11 ? no idea man |
| 09:22.40 | wols_ | scatterp: the :1 is important there |
| 09:22.41 | scatterp | like that where displayname is localhost:1 |
| 09:22.55 | scatterp | DISPLAY=localhost:1; export DISPLAY |
| 09:22.57 | scatterp | like that ? |
| 09:23.02 | wols_ | scatterp: try your (public) IP instead, not localhost |
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| 09:23.10 | enouf | ma3x: ethtool wlan0 ? |
| 09:23.16 | Bushmills | enouf: chase instead, maybe. chase --verbose |
| 09:23.27 | utrrrongeeb | Where does MousePad get its info on the current character encoding? It's not what I want, so I'd like to change it. |
| 09:23.27 | scatterp | wols_ would that not cause proxychains to proxychain the connection ? |
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| 09:23.50 | scatterp | wols_ .. also how do i portforward :/ |
| 09:24.05 | Bushmills | enouf: difference is that default readlink gives you the next level, where against chase returns the endpoint |
| 09:24.05 | slxix | rvsjoen: have you tried enscript? |
| 09:24.13 | enouf | Bushmills: hrm, man chase? no entry, same or help chase |
| 09:24.37 | enouf | Bushmills: well, no, readlink -f should follow |
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| 09:24.53 | MZM | One of my users just put my Debian box on knees. Is it possible to set niceness for processes running from Apache UserDir? |
| 09:24.54 | enouf | Bushmills: with rename it goes atleast 2 links, through alternatives |
| 09:25.02 | rvsjoen | slxix : no I havent, ill take a look. thanks. Also found "pr" which might do this.. now im just having problems setting the default printer in lpr :) |
| 09:25.03 | Bushmills | enouf: yes. same as chase default |
| 09:25.15 | Bushmills | but i like chase because it reports all levels, with --verbose |
| 09:25.15 | enouf | Bushmills: no chase here man ;-) |
| 09:25.17 | rvsjoen | in fact, lpq doesnt list any queues |
| 09:25.26 | enouf | i see - ok, cool |
| 09:25.49 | kakashi_ | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m5cf54247 |
| 09:25.58 | enouf | sighs |
| 09:26.03 | kakashi_ | enouf: there is a whole bunch of segmentation faults |
| 09:26.13 | kakashi_ | I am not ablt to unzip too |
| 09:26.18 | enouf | omg |
| 09:26.26 | kakashi_ | :( |
| 09:26.45 | xingu | pelts racoon and openvpn with dung |
| 09:27.20 | enouf | kakashi_: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 09:27.39 | enouf | kakashi_: i think you had/have too much of a non-Debian system |
| 09:27.43 | slxix | rvsjoen: i just ran "enscript -p x.ps sflow_version_5.txt" and the output is beautiful. |
| 09:27.54 | scatterp | wols_ still here? |
| 09:28.02 | slxix | normally you'd run it with just the filename to send it to the printer. |
| 09:28.16 | kakashi_ | enouf: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 09:28.20 | enouf | kakashi_: also apt-get install -f |
| 09:28.28 | utrrrongeeb | I have an old ATi graphics card. Can I get hardware-acceleration with it? |
| 09:28.31 | kakashi_ | enouf: it results in /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is broken or not fully installed |
| 09:28.37 | enouf | kakashi_: also apt-get install -f |
| 09:28.40 | wols_ | scatterp: #iptables |
| 09:28.44 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: "an old"... with some yes,. some no. |
| 09:28.46 | slxix | but you can take the postscript file and print it anywhere. :) |
| 09:28.54 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 09:29.03 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: it depends |
| 09:29.05 | Bushmills | :) |
| 09:29.10 | wols_ | Bushmills: on what? |
| 09:29.14 | Bushmills | rage64? |
| 09:29.23 | wols_ | Bushmills: ati |
| 09:29.37 | Bushmills | there's no hw accel with rage64 |
| 09:29.39 | xingu | is it too bloody much, he asks rhetorically, to want a point to point vpn between a pair of ipv6 endpoints? |
| 09:29.41 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills, wols_: I think (I'd have to check...) it's a Rage Pro Mach64, or something like that. |
| 09:29.47 | enouf | kakashi_: i hope you still have an older kernel, you may not be able to reboot if you don't and can't get this image worked out |
| 09:29.56 | Bushmills | so it depends ... on the model |
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| 09:30.06 | rootpt | is away: zzz |
| 09:30.15 | Bushmills | and "an old card" is not specific enough to tell |
| 09:30.16 | kakashi_ | enouf: I am murdered!!!! help http://pastebin.com/m6791c63d |
| 09:30.31 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: supported |
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| 09:30.44 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: The xorg.conf is set to "ati" as the driver. Where can I find a list of supported cards? |
| 09:30.56 | utrrrongeeb | wols_: Okay. How do I get it to work? |
| 09:30.57 | wols_ | but it will be so slow 3D will be useless on this card |
| 09:30.58 | enouf | kakashi_: actually, starting to look like bad RAM man |
| 09:31.11 | enouf | kakashi_: better boot a livecd and run memtest86+ |
| 09:31.15 | utrrrongeeb | wols_: Will it be better than indirect? |
| 09:31.17 | rvsjoen | slxix : thanks, worked out great |
| 09:31.25 | kakashi_ | oops! |
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| 09:31.43 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: for what purpose? |
| 09:31.52 | wols_ | but yes DRM is supported on mach64 |
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| 09:32.39 | utrrrongeeb | wols_: BZFlag and screensavers. |
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| 09:32.53 | utrrrongeeb | wols_: My question is, *how* can I get it to work? |
| 09:32.58 | wols_ | bzflag is not 3D afaik |
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| 09:33.15 | Bushmills | bzflag will do, but looks relatively ugly |
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| 09:33.23 | luca | whats the Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r3 kernel version ? |
| 09:33.27 | Bushmills | wire vertices and such |
| 09:34.02 | enouf | luca: etch |
| 09:34.06 | Bushmills | (bzflag uses GL if available. including textures, shading etc) |
| 09:34.19 | luca | enouf what is the kernel version ? |
| 09:34.23 | Lagbolt | enouf, i think he wants kern # |
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| 09:34.30 | Lagbolt | luca, 2.6.18 i think :) |
| 09:34.36 | enouf | .18-6 |
| 09:34.42 | enouf | is current |
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| 09:35.18 | enouf | !info linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 09:35.27 | kakashi_ | enouf: so mine is the RAM problem<---- is the final conclusion? |
| 09:35.37 | luca | thanks |
| 09:35.40 | enouf | kakashi_: as far as i can tell right now |
| 09:35.57 | enouf | bah dpkg |
| 09:36.00 | kakashi_ | :'( |
| 09:36.28 | enouf | kakashi_: what do you want from me? /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 09:36.40 | utrrrongeeb | wols_, Bushmills: So how can I get it to work? |
| 09:36.40 | kakashi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.47 | enouf | no space |
| 09:36.53 | enouf | no leading space |
| 09:37.06 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: you will be able to run it, but game satisfaction is something different. |
| 09:37.26 | kakashi_ | anyways enouf, thanks a lot for helping me |
| 09:37.34 | enouf | lucia: visit packages.debian.org and search for more specifics, it has etch18 in it's name as well |
| 09:37.50 | enouf | kakashi_: welcome - try reseating the DIMMs even |
| 09:38.05 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: So, how can I get it to work at all? glewinfo says that Mesa rendering is Indirect. |
| 09:38.08 | enouf | kakashi_: clean the contacts off with a pencil rreraser |
| 09:38.11 | enouf | eraser |
| 09:38.44 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: to my knowledge, mesa rendering is all you get with mach64. no 3d hw acccel, no opengl hw support. |
| 09:39.21 | enouf | kakashi_: even the debian installer has a memtest86+ choice on boot - hit the Fn keys |
| 09:39.21 | wols_ | Bushmills: dri/drm is there |
| 09:39.34 | Bushmills | that may help |
| 09:39.43 | kakashi_ | enouf: yeah I will try |
| 09:39.48 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: I'm confused. |
| 09:39.55 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: can't get a nice 7500 for it ? :-) |
| 09:40.14 | enouf | 9250 even? |
| 09:40.16 | enouf | runs |
| 09:40.30 | enouf | is that agp or pci anyway? |
| 09:40.57 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: in short, the hardware of your card is not very supportive, concering 3d accel. more modern cards do a much better job at that. your cpu will do most of the work. |
| 09:41.26 | utrrrongeeb | enouf: Explain. It's an onboard chip. |
| 09:41.31 | Bushmills | resulting on slow performance, and limited rendering quality |
| 09:41.39 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: Okay, I was getting that impression... |
| 09:41.45 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: ugh, ok, then oh well, got a free AGP slot? ;-) |
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| 09:42.05 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: it's simply a very crappy 3D chip even when it was new. now it's older than dirt too |
| 09:42.09 | useless_k1tty | Does the command unlink overwrite files (like pad them with zeroes or something), or is the data only really removed when a write is performed on that area of the disk? |
| 09:42.11 | utrrrongeeb | enouf: ISA, maybe? |
| 09:42.15 | lucia | iam not luca :$ |
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| 09:42.24 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: nah, onboard is PCI |
| 09:42.25 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: get a gf2mx pci frome bay |
| 09:42.37 | luca | lucia ? :) |
| 09:42.41 | tweakism | useless_k1tty: the unlink() syscall only removes the name reference to the data, the data still exists on disk. the 'shred' command may be interesting to you, google it. |
| 09:42.45 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: even my p150 has a PCI 1MB Trident Card :-P |
| 09:42.49 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: only clears the inode |
| 09:43.04 | utrrrongeeb | wols_, Bushmills: Some 3D games run okay in Windows on that computer.... |
| 09:43.10 | lucia | luca: who call me.. but he seem call you. |
| 09:43.37 | slxix | i remember my first 3d card. it made quake run so fast. (turns out, it did 2d way better than it did 3d.) |
| 09:43.56 | luca | lucian ...yeah ... no worries |
| 09:44.11 | useless_k1tty | tweakism: ok thanks. I was just wondering because rm is a lot quicker than cat /dev/zero |
| 09:44.11 | enouf | useless_k1tty: as wols_ mentioned, but accidentally sent it to utrrrongeeb , clears the inode, but that's all that matters for symlinks |
| 09:44.20 | tweakism | useless_k1tty: right./ |
| 09:44.32 | Bushmills | remembers the speed boost the computer experienced when updating from trident to et4000 |
| 09:44.35 | enouf | useless_k1tty: unless you mean hardlinks |
| 09:44.45 | Bushmills | grading ... |
| 09:44.59 | enouf | in which case the file exists, until last link is removed |
| 09:45.07 | utrrrongeeb | enouf: What model is your Trident card? |
| 09:45.24 | wols_ | utrrrongeeb: trident is not better for 3D. you don't want to go there |
| 09:45.50 | utrrrongeeb | enouf: I have some old gfx cards lying around in a box, but they're from the mid-90's. |
| 09:45.52 | Bushmills | mine was an 8900 iirc |
| 09:46.21 | utrrrongeeb | wols_: Okay, but is the card working? I wasn't sure... Is there anything else I should do to get it working? |
| 09:46.21 | Bushmills | 256 k, i think |
| 09:46.23 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: 9721? .. i forget offhand, the details are to far for me to fetch atm |
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| 09:47.03 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: it's a POS, but it works, no , no 3D or anything, my point was it's PCI |
| 09:47.23 | enouf | intel 82371 |
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| 09:47.49 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: IINM, it's ~94 ish or so |
| 09:48.00 | utrrrongeeb | wols_, Bushmills: So, how do I get it working? |
| 09:48.19 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: the free ati driver should support yours |
| 09:48.21 | enouf | utrrrongeeb: the card, the chipset is newer ~97 ish perhaps |
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| 09:49.17 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: How do I tell if it's working? |
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| 09:49.34 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: Is there any difference if it's a 3D Rage Pro? |
| 09:49.38 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: run a program. maybe, bzflag. or glxgears |
| 09:49.48 | _BBC | was england was a nigger countruy ? |
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| 09:50.02 | enouf | _BBC: nice one you asshole :-P |
| 09:50.06 | _BBC | on eurovision i saw nidders an rapers . |
| 09:50.18 | enouf | !ops _BBC is racist pig |
| 09:50.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: _BBC is racist pig |
| 09:50.20 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: sorry, too long ago to remember the details between all the ati models. they had literally hundreds of them |
| 09:50.33 | _BBC | enouf i rape you. |
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| 09:50.41 | wols_ | Bushmills: what's hard to remember= they were all shit :P |
| 09:50.47 | enouf | _BBC: haha, not quite, /me mounts _BBC |
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| 09:50.49 | Bushmills | hehe |
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| 09:51.00 | enouf | buh bai now |
| 09:51.07 | enouf | thanks mentor |
| 09:51.08 | mentor | enouf: Don't feed them |
| 09:51.27 | wols_ | oh, another turkish debian troll := |
| 09:51.28 | enouf | mentor: just pulling them front¢er early |
| 09:51.36 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: I've already run BZFlag. It's not that great. Where is/where can I get glxgears? |
| 09:51.44 | mentor | enouf: Don't feed them |
| 09:51.55 | enouf | don't patronize me please |
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| 09:52.02 | wols_ | !tell utrrrongeeb about search |
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| 09:53.12 | mentor | enouf: Suggest you follow helpful advice from the channel operators when it is given |
| 09:53.16 | Bushmills | utrrrongeeb: that's not a game. just a demo. quick way to get an idea of glx performance. part of mesa-utils |
| 09:53.42 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: I know, okay, thanks! However, how do I tell if hw-accel is working? |
| 09:53.51 | Bushmills | roughly, <1000 frames = software rendering. |
| 09:54.08 | enouf | mentor: no prob, when helpful advice is given, i shall lend an ear |
| 09:54.18 | Bushmills | 1000...3000, not great hardware rendering |
| 09:54.25 | Bushmills | >3000 quite good |
| 09:54.26 | mentor | enouf: Sigh. Right fine. Do not feed the trolls are you will be removed as part of the problem |
| 09:54.28 | enouf | mentor: do you really need the last word? go ahead |
| 09:54.39 | utrrrongeeb | Bushmills: Okay, thanks! |
| 09:54.42 | mentor | enouf: Is that understood? |
| 09:54.44 | enouf | mentor: nice - way to go |
| 09:54.56 | enouf | mentor: how about this - go fuck yourself |
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| 09:55.03 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 09:55.19 | mentor | mode #debian +q *@ool-44c669aa.dyn.optonline.net |
| 09:55.19 | MZM | Bushmills: 600 = hardware rendering (i855) |
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| 09:55.28 | mentor | fail. |
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| 09:55.34 | Bushmills | MZM: impressive :) |
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| 09:56.06 | MZM | Bushmills: yeah. with software rendering it gives "only" ~500 |
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| 09:58.09 | |DuReX| | i'm trying to get the 'sensors' working on my etch system, but seems u need k8temp module ? but its not in the kernel? |
| 09:58.42 | Bushmills | |DuReX|: then load it into the kernel |
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| 09:59.23 | |DuReX| | FATAL: Module k8temp not found. |
| 09:59.24 | |DuReX| | ? |
| 09:59.24 | |DuReX| | :p |
| 09:59.37 | Bushmills | |DuReX|: what distribution is that? |
| 09:59.46 | slxix | heehee |
| 09:59.54 | |DuReX| | Etch ... |
| 09:59.59 | |DuReX| | AMD64 |
| 10:00.17 | slxix | distrubtion..brand..whatever. :) |
| 10:01.45 | Bushmills | |DuReX|: then you may have to compile, or upgrade kernel. |
| 10:01.50 | fengor | k8temp is only supported for 2.6.19 or later kernel, but not 2.6.18 shipped with etch. |
| 10:01.59 | fengor | from: http://www.punknix.com/?q=node/109 |
| 10:02.16 | freddo_frog | how do i configure samba? |
| 10:02.35 | Bushmills | freddo_frog: you use a configuration frontend, called "text editor" |
| 10:02.54 | freddo_frog | lol |
| 10:02.56 | Bushmills | freddo_frog: with that one, you butcher the config file |
| 10:03.09 | wols_ | freddo_frog: $EDITOR /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 10:04.31 | Bushmills | freddo_frog: do you happen to be in the N.T.? |
| 10:04.35 | |DuReX| | linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 10:04.37 | |DuReX| | whats this then ? |
| 10:04.41 | |DuReX| | k8 kernel or ? ;) |
| 10:04.51 | freddo_frog | Bushmills: northern territory? |
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| 10:04.55 | wols_ | DustyDingo: 64bit kernel |
| 10:04.57 | Bushmills | yes |
| 10:05.01 | freddo_frog | no i am in NSW |
| 10:05.04 | wols_ | |DuReX|: |
| 10:05.04 | Bushmills | ok |
| 10:05.09 | freddo_frog | my dad lives in NT though |
| 10:05.23 | Bushmills | darwin? katherine? |
| 10:05.32 | |DuReX| | wols_: what difference with 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 10:05.34 | freddo_frog | alice |
| 10:05.38 | wols_ | !tell |DuReX| about lm_sensors |
| 10:05.38 | Bushmills | 'k |
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| 10:07.57 | |DuReX| | fengor: thx for the link, got it working now :D |
| 10:08.43 | fengor | no problem |DuReX|, remember google is your friend. that link was the first hit for k8temp debian |
| 10:09.15 | liable | kath'rine |
| 10:09.29 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 10:10.06 | xushi | how can one add icons to the desktop on flux? |
| 10:10.35 | xushi | google shows me several ways, including a wmdock, and some scripts |
| 10:10.46 | xushi | but i want to have a second oppinion from someone who'se actually done it here |
| 10:10.50 | xushi | opinion * |
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| 10:12.08 | Bushmills | xushi: unpopular opinions too? |
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| 10:12.26 | xushi | Bushmills: anything that would give good results |
| 10:12.36 | Bushmills | run kdesktop under fluxbox :) |
| 10:12.53 | Bushmills | actually using that with xfce4 now |
| 10:12.59 | Lagbolt | xuser, depends what you want. . . i used idesk with fluxbox |
| 10:13.06 | Lagbolt | xuser, sorry not you |
| 10:13.07 | Bushmills | xfdesktop has an awful memory leak |
| 10:13.16 | Lagbolt | xushi, :) idesk works well in fluxbox |
| 10:13.27 | Bushmills | and kdesktop used about a thrid of its resources only |
| 10:13.30 | Bushmills | uses |
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| 10:13.40 | Lagbolt | Bushmills, yeah memory leak is a bitch :( cron restarts mine daily :) |
| 10:13.42 | xushi | hehe, |
| 10:14.01 | xushi | if i'm going to use anything kde related, it'll use its libraries, and i'll just switch to kde fully.. |
| 10:14.09 | freddo_frog | what is xfdesktop? |
| 10:14.11 | Bushmills | Lagbolt: i need shorter intervals ... |
| 10:14.26 | Lagbolt | Bushmills, really? that bad? |
| 10:14.31 | Bushmills | after a day, xfdesktop is up to about 600..800 mbyte |
| 10:14.53 | Lagbolt | Bushmills, wow! i usually only notice after a few days. cron.hourly for you then lol |
| 10:14.56 | Lagbolt | that would be so annoying |
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| 10:15.10 | godling | freddo_frog: It's the Xfce4 desktop manager. |
| 10:15.18 | freddo_frog | ahhh ok |
| 10:15.42 | Bushmills | Lagbolt: my backdrop changes periodically (world clock, day/night), that triggers the leak |
| 10:16.15 | Lagbolt | ah yeah that will do it |
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| 10:16.27 | Lagbolt | i talk to xfce people and they seem to think it is debian related only :( |
| 10:16.43 | Bushmills | http://forthfreak.net/snap/1211796978153270549.png that one |
| 10:17.13 | Bushmills | Lagbolt: yeah that's what i heard there too. not sure whether you remember but i have been around there a bit |
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| 10:17.48 | Lagbolt | ah yeah, cool. i havent been very active in there lately. just kinda squatting |
| 10:18.19 | Bushmills | well, i mailed a description how to trigger the leak, hope that helps. |
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| 10:18.43 | Bushmills | someone will know how to use valgrind, i suppose |
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| 10:19.35 | Lagbolt | Bushmills, do you get a leak in the menu applet? |
| 10:20.33 | Bushmills | Lagbolt: yes. but i had replaced the menu applet against a program launcher, doing xfdesktop --menu |
| 10:20.40 | Bushmills | same menu, but no leak |
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| 10:20.58 | Lagbolt | ah nice! |
| 10:21.14 | Bushmills | doesn't work anymore since i stopped using xfdesktop altogether |
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| 10:22.10 | py_ | hello |
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| 10:22.42 | Lagbolt | ah well was a good work around tho |
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| 10:23.16 | Bushmills | yes, may still help you |
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| 10:24.14 | Lagbolt | well i have dual head so i have plenty of desktop to get my menu so i just dont run it and laptop doesnt seem to have trouble . . . lots of hibernating |
| 10:24.20 | py_ | I've a network with several debian etch boxes, getting their I through DHCP. But their hostname doesn't show up in the dhcp server log. I would like to get them to be written (the names for the windows boxes eg are showing up). How can I achieve this? |
| 10:24.21 | Bushmills | i don't use the main menu a lot anyway. |
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| 10:24.31 | py_ | I meant "getting their IP" |
| 10:25.02 | Bushmills | some of the more frequenlty used apps i have on the launcher bar on the right, visible in the screenshot. |
| 10:25.20 | Bushmills | the others i run from the mini command line in the tool bar |
| 10:25.29 | Bushmills | or an xterm, of course |
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| 10:27.11 | Lagbolt | ah yeah, always an xterm handy |
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| 10:29.27 | slxix | i'm pretty fond of wmii |
| 10:29.36 | Bushmills | yeah, is nice too |
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| 10:30.03 | Bushmills | i'm a wm hopper. |
| 10:30.37 | xushi | hmm, in startup in ~/.fluxbox/ i set bsetbg -f ~/shr.jpg, restart flux, but the background is still gay |
| 10:30.40 | xushi | gray * |
| 10:30.52 | slxix | wow. first time i've seen an ipv6 address on IRC. |
| 10:31.22 | liable | you clearly dont waste enough time on irc :P |
| 10:32.02 | slxix | oh no, i have. just not much since .. well .. nevermind. :) |
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| 10:32.16 | Bushmills | xushi: xsetroot --solid blue |
| 10:32.19 | Bushmills | any better? |
| 10:32.32 | xushi | Bushmills: does that add an image of mine as background? |
| 10:32.38 | xushi | or just makes it blue? |
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| 10:33.08 | Bushmills | xushi: only .ppm i think. xv -root -quit imagename would do, but xv is not free. shareware, free for personal use. |
| 10:33.13 | MZM | xushi: defining backround image as gay is matter of taste and not fluxbox :P |
| 10:33.17 | Bushmills | that is, not free in the debian sense |
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| 10:33.33 | xushi | gray! not gay ffs |
| 10:33.37 | xushi | it was a typo |
| 10:33.47 | Kifer | www.sonygsm.nmj.pl zapraszam do rejestracji |
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| 10:33.54 | slxix | is that rot13? |
| 10:34.04 | Bushmills | xushi: but there are alternative. i happen to use xv because i use that one for other purposed too |
| 10:34.06 | Bushmills | ses |
| 10:34.17 | slxix | hmm. it isn't. wow. :) |
| 10:34.23 | xushi | Bushmills: hmm, i thought there was a way to just link to the picture in some config file |
| 10:35.17 | Bushmills | xushi: depends on desktop, probably. i try to avoid desktop/wm specifics - because of changing environment sometimes |
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| 10:35.45 | Bushmills | therefore, using desktop independent programs are more likely to work in more environments |
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| 10:37.32 | Bushmills | some guis open frameless full screen windows as backdrop, and put their wallpaper in there. which is a bit of an annoyance |
| 10:39.14 | godling | Bushmills: I know of many installers that do that. |
| 10:39.29 | godling | I find it annoying, too. |
| 10:39.57 | godling | most of those are for Windows applications, though. I can't think of any for Linux. |
| 10:40.07 | Bushmills | sometimes i like running mplayer -rootwin, so it displays a movie in the root windows |
| 10:40.08 | useless_k1tty | Would I be able to recover from a fork bomb with ALT+SysRq+{e,f,i} ? |
| 10:40.14 | Bushmills | those environments make that impossible |
| 10:42.35 | Bushmills | useless_k1tty: we give you a fork bomb, you try it out, and tell us? |
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| 10:43.32 | useless_k1tty | Bushmills: I dont know if you're joking or not, but anyway Im about to |
| 10:43.46 | Bushmills | no, i'm genuinely interested to know |
| 10:44.03 | useless_k1tty | Bushmills: ok, brb |
| 10:44.06 | Bushmills | and then you may renick to useful_k1tty |
| 10:44.38 | xushi | strange, flux displays the waallpaper, but for a split second, then gray again |
| 10:44.46 | godling | and then the world will collapse into a singularity, because cats are never, ever useful. |
| 10:45.29 | xexe | who is Guru apache+www-data+sudoers ? |
| 10:45.46 | liable | xexe: you wont get help by asking that |
| 10:45.56 | liable | xexe: try #php |
| 10:46.01 | Bushmills | xushi: i just tried xv -root -quit image with flux, which displays image as backfrop |
| 10:46.02 | Bushmills | drop |
| 10:46.31 | Bushmills | xexe, someone who has gained a lot of expertise with apache and sudo |
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| 10:47.51 | anomic | i reinstalled rxvt-unicode, and i think it messed up my terminfo entries or something. i get messages like "terminal not fully functional" from man, "terminal entry not found in terminfo" from vim, "unknown terminal type" from clear. messages like that. i get them both for uxterm and rxvt-unicode. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 10:48.01 | anomic | xterm gives me the same problems |
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| 10:48.37 | Gatonegro | Hello folks! I'm wondering if anyone around here knows how well Debian GNU/Linux runs on an iBook of the late 2006? |
| 10:49.14 | Bushmills | anomic: rxvt-unicode here too. no such problem. what is your pager? |
| 10:49.41 | wols_ | !tell Gatonegro about laptop |
| 10:49.48 | Bushmills | anomic: my TERM is set to rxvt-unicode |
| 10:50.41 | Gatonegro | wols_: The iMac is treated as a laptop? |
| 10:51.06 | godling | Gatonegro: you said iBook |
| 10:51.13 | wols_ | Gatonegro: I read Ibook, sorry. but: imac uses all laptop components anyways |
| 10:51.44 | xexe | Bushmills grep ^User /etc/apache2/apache2.conf - print name www-data in file "sudoers" write - www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL start php script - echo exec('/etc/sudo /sbin/ifconfig'); page clean, not works:(, what is to be? :( |
| 10:51.58 | Bushmills | anomic: what does dpkg -l ncurses-term show? |
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| 10:52.52 | vy | What's the difference between soft limits and hard limits in /etc/security/limits.conf? |
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| 10:54.17 | Gatonegro | godling, wols_: Whoops -- I did say iBook, mistake on my side. I did mean iMac, though... I've heard it is laptop-filled, but I wanted to know if anyone has had experience in playing with it. |
| 10:54.40 | Bushmills | xexe: try to run execute something else first, eliminate the php component for now. maybe "whoami >> /tmp/whoisit" |
| 10:54.48 | wols_ | !tell Gatonegro about anyone |
| 10:55.41 | Bushmills | xexe: looks like there is something stupid - you call sudo from a sudo'ed command |
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| 10:58.57 | xexe | Bushmills whoami >> /tmp/whoisit; script error, what is syntax? |
| 10:59.01 | Gatonegro | wols_, Alright, I'll rephrase: How easy is it to get Debian running on an iMac? Does everything work upon install of Stable or Testing? Is all the hardware supported? |
| 10:59.02 | useless_k1tty | Bushmills: 1st time I was able to recover, but I had to kill all processes which isn't very convenient. 2nd time I waited longer before using the emergency commands, and couldn't recover. (It was taking far too long). So I guess there's your answer. |
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| 10:59.36 | Bushmills | xexe: i'm afraid you need to either read some documentation, or hire a consultant. |
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| 11:00.50 | godling | useless_k1tty: what did you type to recover? |
| 11:00.51 | anomic | Bushmills: i have ncurses-term |
| 11:01.04 | Bushmills | useless_k1tty: setting ulimits may help, as alternative |
| 11:01.25 | xexe | Bushmills: sorry |
| 11:01.27 | anomic | Bushmills: it was working up until earlier today. i installed xterm, which overwrote /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator. so i reinstall rxvt-unicode. now neither of them work |
| 11:01.47 | anomic | i'm trying to use xterm now, and some programs work, and other programs thinks it's rxvt-unicode, and complain about that |
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| 11:02.04 | useless_k1tty | godling: alt,sysrq,f and alt,sysrq,i . I probably could have done it with only one of those, but I dont know |
| 11:02.10 | Bushmills | anomic: yes, i know that you have. but i wanted to know what version, that is what dpkg -l shows |
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| 11:02.36 | anomic | Bushmills: 5.6+20080308-1 |
| 11:03.24 | Bushmills | anomic: what does echo $TERM show? |
| 11:03.32 | ggdG | I've been struggling to get either hibernation or suspend-to-ram to work and failed so far. While resuming the system falls back into sleep mode it seems. I also tried to patch tuxonice in a kernel but failed to get it working. Any suggestions? |
| 11:03.48 | Bac9 | !seen tali |
| 11:03.48 | dpkg | Bac9: i haven't seen 'tali' |
| 11:04.04 | Bac9 | anyone else seen tali? |
| 11:04.11 | anomic | Bushmills: urxvt. which might explain why programs think i'm using that |
| 11:04.17 | godling | useless_k1tty: there's probably documentation somewhere about it |
| 11:04.24 | Bushmills | anomic: there you are |
| 11:04.36 | godling | useless_k1tty: I remember reading something about it in the kernel documentation |
| 11:04.46 | godling | (in the source tree) |
| 11:04.57 | anomic | Bushmills: but that doesn't explain why rxvt-unicode suddenly ceased working |
| 11:04.58 | useless_k1tty | godling: I know, I read it first |
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| 11:05.55 | useless_k1tty | godling: /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.**/Documentation/sysrq.txt.gz |
| 11:06.00 | Bushmills | anomic: try to set TERM to rxvt-unicode (with rxvt-unicode installed,m of course), see whether that cures your problem. |
| 11:06.18 | Bushmills | you will need /lib/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode but that comes with rxvt-unicode |
| 11:06.34 | Bushmills | sorry, me wrong |
| 11:06.41 | Bushmills | that comes with ncurses-base |
| 11:06.41 | anomic | Bushmills: ah yeah. i had it set to "urxvt", not "rxvt-unicode" |
| 11:06.52 | godling | anomic: what are you trying to do? |
| 11:07.12 | anomic | godling: i had a bullshit $TERM setting |
| 11:07.17 | anomic | and it messed things up |
| 11:07.29 | godling | xterm-color seems to work for me. |
| 11:07.46 | godling | uses urxvt |
| 11:08.05 | anomic | i also use urxvt. and i set $TERM to urxvt. but that needs to be set to rxvt-unicode |
| 11:08.09 | anomic | so there you go |
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| 11:09.11 | grand_gr1nt | Is there a CL tool to fast convert binary to hex? I mean, something like "convert 1111001" that would answer "F1" ? |
| 11:09.53 | snogglethorpe | grand_gr1nt: bc? |
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| 11:11.00 | grand_gr1nt | snogglethorpe: seems to be exactly what I need, thx! |
| 11:11.31 | snogglethorpe | grand_gr1nt: echo 'obase=16; ibase=2; 11110001' | bc |
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| 11:11.50 | snogglethorpe | [just to complete the thought] |
| 11:11.59 | grand_gr1nt | snogglethorpe: cool, thx again |
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| 11:16.20 | Bushmills | xushi: xli -onroot good alternative |
| 11:17.12 | thrope | hi - how can I make apt-get just install one package - i want to install python-urwid but it is pulling up upgrade to gcc,binutils,libc etc that I dont really want and I don't think python-urwid needs (I believe it is pure python) |
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| 11:18.58 | Bushmills | thrope: download only the package, install with dpkg -i -- but that will complain then about missing dependencies, and you'd need to force it, because python-urwid depends on libc6 |
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| 11:19.27 | thrope | oh - but it should work because it's pure python? |
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| 11:19.36 | Bushmills | result probably in broken installation of urwid |
| 11:19.47 | Bushmills | thrope: apt-cache depends python-urwid |
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| 11:20.09 | pozic | How can I convert a Quicktime movie to some more standard format? |
| 11:20.37 | godling | thrope: Python requires libc, even on Windows |
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| 11:20.44 | Bushmills | thrope: therefore, possbile but not recommended |
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| 11:21.47 | Bushmills | thrope: what distribution is that? |
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| 11:21.56 | thrope | it's knoppix |
| 11:22.05 | Bushmills | maybe they can help you there |
| 11:22.15 | thrope | there's no one there responding |
| 11:22.15 | Bushmills | doesn;t apply for debian - libc6 is req |
| 11:22.33 | Super_Cat_Frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.40 | Bushmills | well, debian and knoppix seem to be different there |
| 11:22.44 | thrope | Bushmills: it has libc, just an older version |
| 11:22.52 | thrope | upgrading it breaks other knoppix stuff |
| 11:22.57 | liable | every distro needs libc6 |
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| 11:23.15 | wols_ | there is no libc on windows |
| 11:23.26 | thrope | anyway I will try just installing the package by hand |
| 11:23.32 | liable | windows is a distro? |
| 11:23.35 | wols_ | thrope: won#t work |
| 11:23.50 | wols_ | thrope: where is this python package from and what debian branch do you run? |
| 11:24.05 | wols_ | ah knoppix. ask them. not us |
| 11:24.12 | thrope | wols_: why? there is a working python installed - it's knoppix - and I think python-urwid is pure python so I don't see why it won't work |
| 11:24.37 | Bushmills | so what's the problem then? |
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| 11:26.07 | thrope | well I wasn't sure how to install it - but I will try the manual downloading way you suggested |
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| 11:26.25 | godling | wols_: python uses msvcrt? |
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| 11:27.50 | wols_ | godling: considering they use MSVC to compile it, what else? |
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| 11:29.35 | godling | wols_: makes sense |
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| 11:35.15 | Bushmills | liable: yes, windows is a distribution - here is a test (babelfish translated - original is german): http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linux-user.de%2Fausgabe%2F2002%2F09%2F085-xp-test%2Findex.html&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Translate |
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| 11:35.37 | Bushmills | "We examined whether this product can keep up with current Linux systems." |
| 11:35.38 | Bushmills | :) |
| 11:35.57 | mariusp | anyone know of a workaround to get compiz working with nvidia fx 570m drivers? it is horribly slow and wiondow decorations only work with emerald .. |
| 11:36.05 | liable | Bushmills: i dont really care to read that, i was just responding to wols_ 's comment which was stupid |
| 11:37.01 | Bushmills | it is actually quite funny but translation may have degraded it a bit .. just reading the result. |
| 11:37.47 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi got a php script that launches a bash script using shell_exec..used on two servers..on one server the output is correct when launced from browser..on the other the output is missing data..the script it self creates a telnet session and executes some data on a Unix server..both scripts work identically from command line |
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| 11:39.06 | godling | sysadmin-lb22: what's this to do with Debian? :) |
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| 11:39.31 | sysadmin-lb22 | godling, not a lot I guess :( |
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| 11:40.40 | mariusp | If I am running a 64bit machine using nvidia drivers do I also need nvidia-glx-ia32? |
| 11:40.56 | slxix | sysadmin-lb22: are the two servers identical? |
| 11:41.24 | sysadmin-lb22 | slxix, yeah |
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| 11:46.25 | sysadmin-lb22 | slxix, let me adjust that question if I execute the a php script from command line it works fine..if I execute it from within the browser it does not work as supposed |
| 11:47.05 | slxix | oh. check the security policy. |
| 11:47.57 | Bushmills | sysadmin-lb22: from browser it executes as different user - and in different directory. does that have some influence? |
| 11:48.01 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 11:48.05 | Bushmills | from server, i mean |
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| 11:55.46 | mitziyahu | im trying to install etch but im getting a "grub-install" failed with no further info |
| 11:55.54 | mitziyahu | i have 4 disks on a raid1 and raid5 |
| 11:56.13 | wols_ | where do you want to install grub? |
| 11:56.16 | wols_ | and how? |
| 11:56.24 | mitziyahu | on the mbr |
| 11:56.35 | mitziyahu | do i have any other choice? can't see any on the installed |
| 11:56.38 | mitziyahu | installer |
| 11:56.51 | wols_ | run it manually |
| 11:56.58 | mitziyahu | how? |
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| 11:59.36 | E-bola | do anybody know which SNMP value i need to get to monitor traffic on an snmp router? |
| 11:59.46 | E-bola | there are so many things i cant figure out what i should use to monitor the bandwith usage |
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| 12:01.58 | mitziyahu | wols_ :? i ran grub-installer from the shell but it still failed |
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| 12:06.57 | asg | E-bola: snmpwalk, search for ifEntry.ifOutOctets. or google for 'snmp oid bandwidth' |
| 12:06.58 | mitziyahu | erasing a raid partition sized at 800GB takes what? a month? :x |
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| 12:08.15 | E-bola | asg: i looked at the ifOutOctets |
| 12:08.27 | E-bola | but arent amount of octets just like amount of packets? |
| 12:08.30 | asg | E-bola: and also ifInOctets |
| 12:08.40 | asg | E-bola: no, Octets are Bytes |
| 12:08.48 | E-bola | ohh |
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| 12:09.00 | E-bola | heh why dont they call it bytes then? |
| 12:09.31 | mitziyahu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_(computing) |
| 12:09.52 | tralala | E-bola, because it won't be confusing enough |
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| 12:10.21 | vigneswari | hello all |
| 12:10.58 | mitziyahu | Octet, with the only exception noted below, always refers to an entity having exactly eight bits. As such, it is often used where the term byte might be ambiguous |
| 12:11.14 | E-bola | Ohh well thanks, that was what i needed to know |
| 12:11.47 | vigneswari | am getting error while compiling a package in amd |
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| 12:11.59 | vigneswari | where shall i ask this question |
| 12:12.29 | E-bola | asg: is there no counter that summarises the 2? so i ahve in and outgoing traffic in 1 value |
| 12:12.44 | tralala | vigneswari, what are you compiling and why? |
| 12:13.54 | asg | E-bola: you could create one depending on which snmpd you are running and if it's extensible. If not, just summarize the data yourself. |
| 12:14.19 | vigneswari | tralala, i get the source of espeakedit from sourceforge, and debianised in i386 machine...it went well and worked |
| 12:14.25 | E-bola | i guess ile just make a graph plotting both values |
| 12:14.30 | E-bola | i dont want alerts on it anyway |
| 12:14.48 | vigneswari | but the same sourcce if i compile it in amd ..it is showing me error |
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| 12:15.08 | vigneswari | tralala, as dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libstdc++.so.6 needed by debian/espeakedit/usr/bin/espeakedit (its RPATH is ''). |
| 12:15.33 | vigneswari | tralala, but i have installed libstdc++6 package |
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| 12:20.19 | vigneswari | tralala, any idea? |
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| 12:26.49 | Nyle | Good morning |
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| 12:27.26 | pozic | I want to play a .mov file, but it seems the mplayer codec fails. Is there some completely independent implementation out there that I can try? |
| 12:27.53 | Nyle | vlc? |
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| 12:28.02 | Nyle | I think vlc has all major codecs build in |
| 12:28.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | pozic, one shipped with debian or from mplayerhq? |
| 12:28.06 | abrotman | pozic: it depends on the codecs used to create it |
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| 12:28.12 | pozic | Kamping_Kaiser: Debian |
| 12:28.17 | pjv | what can i use to check the strength of my wireless signal ? |
| 12:28.18 | Nyle | pozic, you do have w32codecs? |
| 12:28.23 | abrotman | pozic: did you get the w32codecs ? |
| 12:28.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | pozic, i guess the ones from hq count as different |
| 12:28.24 | Nyle | pozic, you need that codecs pack |
| 12:28.38 | Nyle | !dmm |
| 12:28.38 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 12:28.43 | pozic | The file plays great for about 10 minutes or so. |
| 12:28.49 | abrotman | pjv: iwconfig ? |
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| 12:28.57 | Nyle | pozic, if vlc don't work, try #mplayer :) |
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| 12:30.14 | mitziyahu | how can i break the download operation of the debian installer? |
| 12:30.32 | mitziyahu | quickly :( |
| 12:30.38 | Nyle | mitziyahu, I would go to alt f2 and kill the dl pid |
| 12:30.39 | pozic | With VLC the sound and video get out of sync for about 10 seconds. Earlier I supposed that it wouldn't work in general, but after 10 seconds they sync up again. |
| 12:30.41 | Nyle | do I dunno |
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| 12:31.14 | Nyle | mitziyahu, go to alt+f2 console, and type in ps x and kill the pid thats downloading, then you can go back to alt+f1 and select whatever steps in the installer |
| 12:31.45 | mitziyahu | what should i look to kill? :s |
| 12:31.45 | Nyle | i think thats what you asked, right/ |
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| 12:32.19 | mitziyahu | thanks :p |
| 12:32.29 | mitziyahu | was udpkg something like that |
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| 12:33.08 | Nyle | hmm? |
| 12:33.12 | Lagbolt | hmm what kind of stability do people get on backports? they are still susceptible to bugs in packages compiled from sid right? |
| 12:33.15 | mitziyahu | i killed the downloader |
| 12:33.18 | Nyle | ok |
| 12:34.28 | mitziyahu | ok now everyhing is screwed up lol |
| 12:34.33 | mitziyahu | right back to the begining :p |
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| 12:35.07 | mitziyahu | Nyle can you think of any reason that i couldn't install grub to the mbr of? |
| 12:35.11 | Nyle | you probably didn't kill the right program |
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| 12:35.32 | mitziyahu | maybe or maybe i wasn't supposed to |
| 12:35.37 | Xsss4hell | Howto save the synaptic install chronik to a file for later reinstall? |
| 12:36.03 | Nyle | mitziyahu, downloading packages has nothing to do with installing grub |
| 12:36.12 | Nyle | mitziyahu, if grub can't install it will give you an error message |
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| 12:36.14 | mitziyahu | i know |
| 12:36.17 | Nyle | usually a red screen |
| 12:36.19 | Nyle | what does it say |
| 12:36.21 | mitziyahu | it was another reason |
| 12:36.28 | mitziyahu | it just said "grub-install failed" |
| 12:36.41 | Nyle | take a look at alt+f4 |
| 12:36.44 | Nyle | see if you find a clue |
| 12:36.52 | mitziyahu | can't now since i've restarted it |
| 12:36.53 | Nyle | try to run the grub installer step again and watch alt+f4 |
| 12:36.54 | mitziyahu | but thanks |
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| 12:36.59 | mitziyahu | whats the meaning of alt+f4? |
| 12:37.04 | Nyle | tty4 |
| 12:37.08 | Nyle | console # 4 |
| 12:37.09 | Nyle | w/e |
| 12:37.12 | mitziyahu | oh |
| 12:37.13 | mitziyahu | ok |
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| 12:37.33 | Nyle | its happened to me too |
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| 12:37.43 | abrotman | Xsss4hell: you can do it with aptitude or apt-get .. not sure about synaptic |
| 12:37.49 | Nyle | sometimes the testing installer doesn't install grub all the way |
| 12:37.52 | mitziyahu | what was the reason? im using RAID 5 on a software raid btw |
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| 12:37.58 | mitziyahu | how do i fix it? |
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| 12:38.07 | Nyle | check the bts for grub and also for the debian installer |
| 12:38.26 | mitziyahu | bts? |
| 12:38.29 | Nyle | you maybe have better luck with a different installer, try daily if you're using regular |
| 12:38.32 | Nyle | !bts |
| 12:38.32 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 12:39.07 | Xsss4hell | Howto save the Synaptic Package Manger "Chronic" to a file for later reinstall, if I need to format etc.. ?? |
| 12:39.08 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:39.10 | Nyle | SW raid |
| 12:39.22 | Nyle | yeh that can be a bit tricky with bootloaders if you don't know much |
| 12:39.31 | mitziyahu | what should i do? |
| 12:39.32 | Nyle | unfortunately, I've never setup SW raid so I probably can't help you |
| 12:39.33 | Nyle | :( |
| 12:39.36 | mitziyahu | lol |
| 12:40.00 | abrotman | Xsss4hell: you can do it with aptitude or apt-get .. not sure about synaptic |
| 12:40.11 | Nyle | mitziyahu, have you read the debian installer guide? |
| 12:40.16 | abrotman | mitziyahu: try lilo |
| 12:40.19 | Nyle | !tell mitziyahu -about ig |
| 12:40.20 | mitziyahu | nope |
| 12:40.33 | abrotman | nope what? |
| 12:40.36 | Nyle | you should skim through the relevant parts |
| 12:40.37 | mitziyahu | abrotman: it should work because of the way it works? |
| 12:40.46 | mitziyahu | abrotman i ment i didn't read it |
| 12:40.51 | abrotman | read it? |
| 12:41.02 | abrotman | thinks he's in the german channel |
| 12:41.02 | icenine | ereg ("href=\"(.*)\"", "<a href=\"http://localhost/\"", $link) in php |
| 12:41.04 | mitziyahu | <Nyle> mitziyahu, have you read the debian installer guide? |
| 12:41.33 | mitziyahu | haven't heh |
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| 12:42.16 | Xsss4hell | hmm |
| 12:42.39 | icenine | Xsss4hell: did you try the fakeroot thing I showed you |
| 12:43.03 | abrotman | looked in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 12:43.20 | Xsss4hell | can you please repost it? I accidently closed irc |
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| 12:43.50 | xexe | how start apache from root? |
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| 12:43.58 | Nyle | mitziyahu, you have tried to install the lilo instead of grub? |
| 12:44.15 | Nyle | mitziyahu, if you can get lilo to install through the installer, rejoice, you can setup grub once you boot into your new setup |
| 12:44.16 | mitziyahu | not yet |
| 12:44.31 | mitziyahu | and it would be set okay into the mbr? |
| 12:44.37 | Nyle | yup |
| 12:44.39 | mitziyahu | btw, when using software raid |
| 12:44.39 | abrotman | xexe: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 12:44.41 | Nyle | *should* |
| 12:44.45 | mitziyahu | what mbr should i use? |
| 12:44.50 | abrotman | !enter |
| 12:44.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 12:45.19 | Nyle | asshole |
| 12:45.26 | Nyle | mitziyahu, main drive |
| 12:45.44 | Nyle | not a partition of course, like whatever your first physical hdd that is used to boot |
| 12:45.54 | Tapout | anyone know how to stop mysql from error checking on restart? I wanna disable it while i test new settings |
| 12:46.04 | Nyle | like /dev/hda or hd(0,0) |
| 12:46.08 | Nyle | i think |
| 12:46.31 | mitziyahu | Nyle its sata so its prolly /dev/sda right? and that should screw up the software raid stuff right? |
| 12:46.46 | Nyle | sda then yes, but about latter, no idea |
| 12:47.07 | mitziyahu | latter? hd(0,0) |
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| 12:47.14 | anddam | hi |
| 12:47.26 | Nyle | mitziyahu, take a look at the install guide, seriously |
| 12:47.29 | anddam | shouldn't iwconfig show wireless signal level? |
| 12:47.35 | wols_ | if you do software raid you must have your /boot on a non raid partition |
| 12:47.44 | mitziyahu | Nyle what? i asked what you ment:x |
| 12:47.52 | mitziyahu | wols_: oh lol |
| 12:47.55 | Nyle | latter means uhm |
| 12:48.01 | Nyle | like next thing I said |
| 12:48.05 | mitziyahu | wols_: why is that? technically |
| 12:48.07 | Nyle | i dunno i can't explain it im not a dictionary :) |
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| 12:48.26 | Nyle | mitziyahu, because the sw raid isn't initialized until the kernel is loaded |
| 12:48.27 | wols_ | cause grub and BIOS don't know about raid |
| 12:48.32 | mitziyahu | Nyle: yeah i know some english, heh. i just made sure u ment the "hd(0,0)" :s |
| 12:48.37 | Nyle | kernel is loaded through grub,and grub doesn't know about a raid |
| 12:48.41 | Nyle | what wols_ said |
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| 12:48.47 | mitziyahu | yeah |
| 12:48.57 | mitziyahu | but can't i have the MBR on the drive without a partition? |
| 12:49.02 | E-bola | How can i tell which processes are using a kernel module? Im trying to remove an IPMI module and it says i cant cuz its in use |
| 12:49.05 | abrotman | i belive lilo can boot swraid |
| 12:49.12 | Nyle | mitziyahu, latter means, last part of your question, former means, first part of your question |
| 12:49.13 | wols_ | mitziyahu: you always have a mbr |
| 12:49.14 | abrotman | but the grub in etch cannot |
| 12:49.34 | abrotman | anddam: it does for me |
| 12:49.36 | mitziyahu | wols_: so its just that grub can't load from inside a swraid partition? |
| 12:49.41 | wols_ | E-bola: what is the /dev entry for the module? |
| 12:49.43 | anddam | abrotman: mm maybe it's my driver |
| 12:49.45 | mitziyahu | abrotman oh, cool |
| 12:49.56 | xexe | abrotman: /etc/init.d/apache restart - this restart server, i need start root access |
| 12:49.58 | anddam | but some BIOSes hosts configs for the RAID controller |
| 12:50.03 | abrotman | anddam: Link Quality=64/92 |
| 12:50.07 | abrotman | xexe: uh yes |
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| 12:50.47 | E-bola | wols: im sory i do not understand what you mean? |
| 12:51.15 | wols_ | your IPMI stuff has a device in /dev? |
| 12:51.43 | E-bola | yes |
| 12:51.45 | Nyle | *node* |
| 12:51.51 | E-bola | im not sure which once precisely, |
| 12:51.51 | Nyle | :) |
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| 12:52.13 | mitziyahu | aaaarghhhhhhh |
| 12:52.18 | E-bola | the module is called ipmi_si and i got the following under /dev ipmi0 and ipmi1 |
| 12:52.18 | Tapout | what's the proper way to prevent debian's mysql package from forcing a FAST check of all tables when you restart mysql? I can edit /etc/mysql/debian-start or whatever it is, but I think there should be a better spot to toggle a boolean probably |
| 12:52.19 | mitziyahu | the downloader is now stuck ffs :( |
| 12:52.41 | E-bola | ahh |
| 12:52.48 | E-bola | so u want me to run lsof on the files in /dev ? |
| 12:53.25 | psilocyb1n | what is the command to update openssh known_hosts file? |
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| 12:53.51 | anddam | abrotman: http://codepad.org/BnEWbP9i |
| 12:53.57 | anddam | no luck |
| 12:54.08 | anddam | abrotman: some other tool? |
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| 12:54.19 | fairway | hi all |
| 12:54.22 | fairway | what is the eeepc channel` |
| 12:54.23 | mitziyahu | can i save the installer and not have to restart the whole thng? |
| 12:54.38 | streuner | fairway: /msg dpkg eeepc |
| 12:55.16 | xexe | who need change in /etc/rc for atart apache2 from root |
| 12:55.17 | xexe | ? |
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| 12:55.49 | docmax | hello just one querstion |
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| 12:56.15 | tesik | hi |
| 12:56.24 | docmax | whats the difference btw. xorg and xfree86? |
| 12:56.30 | docmax | and what is x11? |
| 12:56.35 | tarzeau | docmax: xorg is being used on debian |
| 12:56.36 | psilocyb1n | oh i found. thx |
| 12:56.39 | Nyle | docmax, you shoudl read about them on wikipedia |
| 12:56.41 | docmax | is everyting the same? |
| 12:56.44 | tarzeau | docmax: x11 is the protocol, or the shorter name for either one |
| 12:56.46 | Nyle | docmax, not exactly |
| 12:56.55 | tesik | can somebody help mi with debian on asus wl-500gp |
| 12:56.57 | docmax | i read wikipedia |
| 12:56.59 | tesik | ? |
| 12:57.05 | Nyle | tesik, just ask |
| 12:57.09 | docmax | but i dont get it |
| 12:57.25 | docmax | xorg is the xwindow system |
| 12:57.34 | docmax | but what is xfree86? |
| 12:57.41 | Penix | X.org is a fork of Xfree86 |
| 12:57.43 | anddam | Xorg is a late fork afair |
| 12:57.54 | anddam | we used to play with xfree86 |
| 12:57.56 | asg | docmax: an older implementation that is no longer free (as in debian free) |
| 12:57.58 | docmax | so are there other "forks"? |
| 12:58.13 | Penix | docmax: of xfree86? |
| 12:58.16 | tesik | i cant config the interface , how to configure inrterface on it |
| 12:58.16 | Bushmills | http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1587 remote execution. just came in. |
| 12:58.21 | Nyle | docmax, X windowing system is a client/server based window drawing system. The server usually runs locally, and your clients (applications) connect to it in order to be displayed. That whole thing is called X11/X/Xfree86/Xorg |
| 12:58.23 | docmax | penix yes |
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| 12:58.43 | Penix | docmax: no idea. xfree86 is just one implementation of X11 though |
| 12:58.45 | Nyle | docmax, as you can tell there are various versions of it, Xorg being the latest in X technology |
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| 12:58.53 | docmax | so X11/X/Xfree86/Xorg is all the same? |
| 12:58.57 | Penix | no |
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| 12:59.01 | Nyle | not the same same |
| 12:59.08 | Nyle | but they all work the same way essentially |
| 12:59.10 | Penix | docmax: you need to read about X11's history |
| 12:59.11 | asg | Bushmills: workaround: use traceroute |
| 12:59.13 | Nyle | they all are x window system |
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| 12:59.21 | Penix | docmax: or X in general even |
| 12:59.27 | Nyle | but yeh X |
| 12:59.31 | Bushmills | asg, had the fixed v already. |
| 12:59.38 | asg | nods |
| 12:59.48 | docmax | is it like for example the C programming language? |
| 12:59.53 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:00.01 | docmax | its all the same, but different comapnys? |
| 13:00.01 | Nyle | that is exactly what it is made in |
| 13:00.06 | Nyle | not companies |
| 13:00.12 | docmax | borland C, microsoft C, ... |
| 13:00.14 | Nyle | different open groups that package the X window system |
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| 13:00.37 | docmax | hmm, not easy to understand |
| 13:00.41 | Nyle | some closed ones too |
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| 13:00.52 | Nyle | you can find X servers for MS windows too |
| 13:01.06 | asg | still has an Accelerated X license somewhere |
| 13:01.10 | Penix | docmax: the "Implementations" section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11 should explain it |
| 13:01.24 | Nyle | Penix, he said he read em all but didn't make sense of it |
| 13:01.31 | Nyle | docmax, try #xorg |
| 13:01.31 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:01.47 | yac_ | Hi. From the reasons not known to me default X bitmap font is italic... How can the defaults be set? |
| 13:01.48 | Penix | it's not like it's hard to understand |
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| 13:02.04 | Nyle | Penix, well not everyone can be as bright as you :) |
| 13:02.16 | liable | *cough* |
| 13:02.21 | Nyle | haha |
| 13:02.23 | Penix | yeah, cough |
| 13:02.58 | tesik | somebody know how to configure debian on asus wl-500gp ? |
| 13:03.07 | tesik | vlan port |
| 13:03.09 | tesik | s |
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| 13:03.36 | Nyle | tesik, your lan don't work? |
| 13:03.47 | Nyle | tesik, try asking something like this |
| 13:03.49 | Nyle | !ask |
| 13:03.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:04.02 | tesik | !ask |
| 13:04.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:04.06 | mitziyahu | lol |
| 13:04.11 | streuner | hehe |
| 13:04.13 | Nyle | haha |
| 13:04.13 | eolo999 | hi how do i get super user commands to show on user shell? |
| 13:04.25 | mitziyahu | eolo999: write? |
| 13:04.27 | Nyle | tesik, nevermind. |
| 13:04.31 | eth01 | whats so funny |
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| 13:04.45 | mitziyahu | eth01 i think tesik was messing with Nyle |
| 13:04.49 | Bushmills | eolo999: to show .. hmm ... ls /usr/sbin |
| 13:04.50 | Nyle | i think its cute |
| 13:05.05 | tesik | nyle asus wl-500gp is a router with 4 lan and 1 wan |
| 13:05.05 | eolo999 | Bushmills: yes |
| 13:05.05 | liable | !aww |
| 13:05.05 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 13:05.06 | yac_ | eolo999, add /sbin and /usr/sbin to your PATH. |
| 13:05.17 | Nyle | tesik, you run debian on your router? |
| 13:05.23 | tesik | yes |
| 13:05.25 | eth01 | what |
| 13:05.25 | wols_ | tesik: we know that. but we don't know how this is debian related |
| 13:05.27 | Nyle | cool |
| 13:05.31 | eolo999 | so easy? thx yac_ Bushmills mitziyahu |
| 13:05.39 | eth01 | wols_: hmm |
| 13:05.44 | tesik | debian http://wpkg.org/Running_Debian_on_ASUS_WL-500G_deluxe |
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| 13:05.55 | Nyle | is this hw officially supported? |
| 13:06.06 | tesik | no |
| 13:06.10 | tesik | yes |
| 13:06.11 | tesik | :0 |
| 13:06.13 | tesik | :) |
| 13:06.14 | asg | maybe |
| 13:06.16 | mitziyahu | why am i getting so many problems with the installer? wth |
| 13:06.21 | tesik | its coplited for mips |
| 13:06.35 | tesik | and run on router |
| 13:06.44 | tesik | but i cant configure ports |
| 13:07.01 | tesik | i dont know how |
| 13:07.04 | Penix | !enter |
| 13:07.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:07.09 | eth01 | not our problem |
| 13:07.20 | wols_ | what "ports"? |
| 13:07.26 | tesik | lan and wan |
| 13:07.46 | wols_ | man interfaces |
| 13:09.12 | eth01 | http://popcon.debian.org/stat/submission.png |
| 13:09.14 | tesik | where is the startup script |
| 13:09.19 | eth01 | i don't think i've ever quite seen something so stupid. |
| 13:09.22 | eth01 | and ugly imo |
| 13:09.41 | wols_ | startup script for what? |
| 13:09.47 | wols_ | all of them are in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 13:10.00 | tesik | ok thanks |
| 13:10.15 | tesik | on site write somethink like this |
| 13:10.22 | tesik | robocfg switch disable |
| 13:10.43 | tesik | if i write robocfg and enter i dont have this program |
| 13:10.55 | Penix | because you're using debian? I hope... |
| 13:11.39 | tesik | yes but on site i writing how configure ports on asus with debian , |
| 13:11.47 | tesik | this command |
| 13:11.54 | tesik | robocfg switch disable ... etc |
| 13:11.58 | eolo999 | !enter |
| 13:11.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:12.11 | Penix | tesik: apt-get install robocfg? |
| 13:12.23 | bokbaard | amen dpkg |
| 13:12.25 | wols_ | tesik: You need to have robocfg command, you can get it in the download section. |
| 13:12.26 | Penix | if it's even in debian, since it seems to be some openwrt tool possibly |
| 13:12.41 | wols_ | tesik: read more. and now go away with your non-debian questions |
| 13:13.13 | asg | tesik: hint hint: the bit about the downloads section looks rather interesting |
| 13:13.22 | tesik | ok i must go i think you dont help me |
| 13:13.29 | dimir | :-D |
| 13:13.42 | tesik | cya |
| 13:13.49 | dimir | bye! |
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| 13:17.43 | \amethyst | Lagbolt: that's fine, since it doesn't cause excessive scroll |
| 13:18.03 | Lagbolt | :) i think its time to call it a night. catch you all later |
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| 13:20.47 | abrotman | anddam: did you find one? do you mean for CLI or GUI ? |
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| 13:22.46 | tmroland | i get hdd1 kicked out of my array at boot-time because its unfresh. how do i force it back so its ok at each reboot? i have md0 from hdc1 / hdd1 |
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| 13:23.39 | mitziyahu | tmroland: try to write an rc script |
| 13:23.46 | mitziyahu | its a software raid array right> |
| 13:23.47 | mitziyahu | ? |
| 13:23.49 | tmroland | yes |
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| 13:25.14 | tmroland | rc script containig what |
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| 13:26.36 | mitziyahu | man mdadm |
| 13:26.56 | mitziyahu | i dont speak fluent swraid (As the above could tell) i don't wanna mislead you :s |
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| 13:35.21 | robboplus_ | is it normal that application can't use more than ~3GB of memory and crashes with mem alloc error on 8GB system? |
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| 13:35.36 | robboplus_ | or is it about bigmem kernel that i need there |
| 13:35.37 | E-bola | 32 or 64bit? |
| 13:35.40 | robboplus_ | 32 |
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| 13:35.46 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 13:35.53 | robboplus_ | it's not even 4GB in use.. just 3.3 or so |
| 13:35.58 | Zmanu | i have a problem, gdm don't start, but i can't remove it |
| 13:35.59 | abrotman | !pae |
| 13:35.59 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 13:36.00 | E-bola | not sure in linux, but in windows an app cant address moer than ~2gb opn a 32bit system |
| 13:36.31 | E-bola | PAE isnt ideal, if you can run 64bit, i'd definately recomend that |
| 13:36.50 | robboplus_ | abrotman so the prob is about max memory available for the process? because i can see the 8GB space, just not use it with single process it seems |
| 13:37.05 | drkwolf | E-bola: i read somewhere the xp 32bit support up to 4Go of ram |
| 13:37.32 | robboplus_ | E-bola 2GB limit is about max file size in FAT32 :) |
| 13:37.36 | Zmanu | i have another problem, i try to run startx, but i get the options of X, but if i run X there's no matter |
| 13:37.40 | E-bola | drkwolf: dont get me wrong windows 32bit does, but 1 app can only access 2gb |
| 13:37.47 | E-bola | robboplus: no |
| 13:37.57 | robboplus_ | anyway this ain't winbloze |
| 13:38.00 | abrotman | robboplus_: could also be a ulimit thing ? |
| 13:38.07 | robboplus_ | abrotman oh hm.... |
| 13:38.15 | mitziyahu | why the hell would i get the grub command line after a debian install? :( |
| 13:38.36 | wols_ | mitziyahu: missing menu.lst |
| 13:38.38 | robboplus_ | abrotman it's really funny there because i got over 4.5GB left according to free -m and still things crash with malloc |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | robboplus_: pretty sad when you need more |
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| 13:39.01 | lucia | hello, how can i memory db dumping on file in sqlite? |
| 13:39.01 | mitziyahu | wols_ why? and how do i fix it? |
| 13:39.16 | robboplus_ | abrotman i will try to find out with ulimit |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | robboplus_: could also be a kernel limit |
| 13:39.55 | robboplus_ | abrotman so that's solvable by bigmem right? |
| 13:40.02 | robboplus_ | (in case it was about kernel) |
| 13:40.10 | wwasher | where is it that bluez is storing its passkey? most of the stuff I' |
| 13:40.33 | abrotman | robboplus_: unsure if that changes the per process limit or totalkernel limit |
| 13:41.14 | robboplus_ | abrotman hm.. speaking of totalkernel limit.. if i can see 8GB allocated total then it shouldn't be kernel limit right? it wouldn't use it for buffers etc. |
| 13:41.26 | mitziyahu | how do i edit a file in grub? |
| 13:41.29 | wwasher | ve seen says it is in /etc/bluetooth/pin; but the man page and the default conf file gives a "Passkey" option |
| 13:41.48 | abrotman | robboplus_: sounds like you already have -bigmem |
| 13:41.58 | robboplus_ | abrotman then per process... |
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| 13:43.23 | robboplus_ | abrotman ulimit -aS says: max memory size (kbytes, -m) unlimited |
| 13:43.26 | manju29 | When I am trying to create debian live cd using lh_scripts.....I set the mirror to the local server. |
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| 13:43.42 | wols_ | mitziyahu: you can't edit it inside grub |
| 13:43.45 | manju29 | if i run lh_build i am getting the following error |
| 13:43.50 | wols_ | mitziyahu: but you can boot from there |
| 13:43.55 | manju29 | E: Invalid Release file, no valid components |
| 13:44.00 | robboplus_ | abrotman: also free -m says: -/+ buffers/cache: 2977 5145 |
| 13:44.06 | manju29 | where did i go wrong?? |
| 13:44.13 | robboplus_ | and still i can't use more than ~3GB for the app |
| 13:44.16 | abrotman | nope. . no idea then |
| 13:44.19 | mitziyahu | wols_ how? |
| 13:44.38 | wols_ | mitziyahu: by entering the necesary menu.lst directives manually |
| 13:44.50 | mitziyahu | how/ |
| 13:44.51 | mitziyahu | ? |
| 13:45.18 | justin | robboplus_: pretty sure you need a 64bit kernel |
| 13:45.39 | wols_ | robboplus_: 32bit linux has that limit. there is PAE but that is awful.on a serve you can use 64bit linux |
| 13:45.45 | drkwolf | robboplus_: test the memory usage with a fork bomb |
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| 13:46.48 | robboplus_ | wols_, drkwolf: hm... |
| 13:47.09 | xingu | robboplus_: amd64; you know it makes sense. ;) |
| 13:47.15 | drkwolf | put a read every 50 forks so you can track it's grow |
| 13:47.21 | xingu | robboplus_: for everything else, there's kvm |
| 13:47.36 | jelly | robboplus_: yes, it's normal. 4GB address space, plus some is reserved for kernel |
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| 13:47.41 | jelly | robboplus_: http://linux-mm.org/HighMemory |
| 13:48.04 | wols_ | jelly: minus some reserved for kernel |
| 13:48.21 | xingu | wols_: and dma bounce buffer |
| 13:48.26 | jelly | wols_: um, yes. that's what I said? |
| 13:48.34 | robboplus_ | wols why exactly is PAE awful on 32bit? |
| 13:48.42 | jelly | s/some/some of it/ |
| 13:48.50 | wols_ | it's non transparent bank switching bullshit |
| 13:48.56 | wols_ | apps need to be coded explicitly for it |
| 13:49.11 | jelly | robboplus_: all the fun of memory banks, just when you thought you got rid of them |
| 13:49.19 | shyam_k | how can i make different grub options which selects different users to auto login in gdm? |
| 13:49.24 | robboplus_ | aargh :/ |
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| 13:49.34 | xingu | closer to medium (segmented) memory model than bank switching |
| 13:50.13 | xingu | robboplus_: not only is it complex, but it's _slow_ |
| 13:50.17 | liable | shyam_k: thats not grubs business |
| 13:50.29 | xingu | robboplus_: join the dark side, go amd64 |
| 13:50.31 | jelly | xingu: I'm ignorant and don't really know how it works |
| 13:50.35 | xingu | chants "one of us... one of us..." |
| 13:50.46 | jelly | go amd64, life is peaceful there |
| 13:50.56 | robboplus_ | jelly i don't use amd anymore... |
| 13:50.56 | abrotman | xingu: two men enter, one man leaves! |
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| 13:51.07 | wols_ | shyam_k: you can probably mak grub boot a kernel into different runlevels |
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| 13:51.18 | wols_ | robboplus_: irrelevant |
| 13:51.20 | robboplus_ | xingu i read you... no PAE and i will rather be stuck with 4GB limit |
| 13:51.21 | liable | walks out |
| 13:51.28 | shyam_k | liable: yeah can i make some kind of conf file or different images or something which enables me to select it from grub itself?coz that makes a lotts of difference for the non-techie users i have |
| 13:51.29 | xingu | abrotman: I was thinking more "the claw has chosen" |
| 13:51.29 | jelly | robboplus_: it's a generic term for amd64-compatible architecture |
| 13:51.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:51.38 | wols_ | robboplus_: amd64 is for you. with your current hardware |
| 13:51.43 | liable | shyam_k: huh? |
| 13:51.49 | robboplus_ | wols_ on xeon? |
| 13:52.00 | jelly | robboplus_: which cpu? |
| 13:52.05 | liable | wols_: how do you make grub limit runlevels? |
| 13:52.26 | xingu | robboplus_: if /proc/cpuinfo says "lm", then amd64/em64t is for you ;) |
| 13:52.28 | wols_ | liable: not limit. but it should be possible to boot to a certain runlevel via kernel param, no? |
| 13:52.54 | liable | wols_: how would grub do that? |
| 13:53.05 | wols_ | not grub. kernel parameter |
| 13:53.20 | wols_ | if all else fails: different initrds or each stanza |
| 13:53.33 | liable | apart from doing an init=foo, i dont see how |
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| 13:54.15 | liable | even, even |
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| 13:54.42 | anddam | abrotman: I was afk |
| 13:54.42 | anddam | abrotman: cli, gui, whatever |
| 13:54.43 | anddam | abrotman: I mean I don't need to poll the value I was just curious |
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| 13:55.07 | abrotman | anddam: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 13:55.42 | anddam | abrotman: lol, fluxbox |
| 13:55.42 | shyam_k | liable: yeah can i make a duplicate initrd which points to the conf having configured to auto-login different users.. but i have no idea what this is;) |
| 13:55.51 | liable | wols_: you know an init=runlevel 2 option? |
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| 13:56.32 | abrotman | anddam: gkrellm has one .. it's possible it own't be able to read it .. you showed me your paste before and had no strength |
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| 13:57.03 | shyam_k | liable: or that was pure non-sense?;-) |
| 13:57.37 | anddam | abrotman: well if gkrellm is taking info from iwconfig I doubt it can do anything |
| 13:57.49 | jelly | liable: isn't it possible just to put "3" as a kernel parameter and expect that parameter will be passed to init? |
| 13:58.09 | liable | shyam_k: possibly. i never say something is nonsense unless i really know. (well occasionaly i make a dick of myself :) ) |
| 13:58.26 | abrotman | anddam: which is why i said that |
| 13:58.51 | liable | jelly: i think you may be right |
| 13:59.36 | drkwolf | liable: `single ` is for single user mode |
| 13:59.47 | liable | yes i know |
| 13:59.50 | wols_ | if you go the different runlevel route you still have to edit at least the gdm init script |
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| 14:01.56 | drkwolf | liable: you can run your own script as init that will do what you want |
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| 14:02.22 | AnyFile | where can I find the manual of the bash shell (bash.info)? |
| 14:02.28 | liable | drkwolf: yep, i know you can run your own init, i was arguing init levels |
| 14:02.29 | shyam_k | drkwolf: oh can i get more details on how to approach that? |
| 14:03.02 | liable | drkwolf: and unfortunately (much to my chargrin) wols_ may have been correct |
| 14:03.42 | AnyFile | DOes the searche engine on http://packages.debian.org search only on main repository or also in non-free? |
| 14:03.59 | liable | but seeing as he didnt supply the correct parameters, i choose to lart him till he does |
| 14:04.20 | liable | well, till i can find the correct ones too .. |
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| 14:07.50 | drkwolf | shyam_k: set kernel parms init=your_init_script |
| 14:08.07 | liable | AnyFile: it has a non-free drop down box |
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| 14:09.01 | liable | what was the point of this conversation? irt to init runlevels from kernel ? |
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| 14:09.20 | Pascal_1 | hello |
| 14:09.23 | AnyFile | sorry, liable, but how can I get it? |
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| 14:09.49 | xingu | just for the record, the real issue with PAE is not PAE itself, but rather the hoops you have to jump through in order to get a single x86 process to address >4GB; you wind up needing userspace to implement a 2^32bit window into the virtual map and _kick_ the kernel vmm context to move it about. |
| 14:09.53 | liable | AnyFile: what do you mean? |
| 14:09.53 | Pascal_1 | what is the way to know on a client machine if the ip address has been given by a dhcp or if it's a fixed address ? |
| 14:09.54 | xingu | and this is as slow as all buggery |
| 14:10.43 | liable | should we care? |
| 14:10.51 | xingu | for multiple x86 processes each <2^32bit addressable for a total of >2^32bit physical consumed the performance hit is present but negligible |
| 14:11.02 | AnyFile | Is there a package in the non-free section that has the bash.info? |
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| 14:11.37 | LqR | I have set up dovecot and postfix according to this guide http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html and now everything works fine except sending mail to external servers, I just keep getting "connection timed out". What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:12.01 | xingu | with x86_64 you're using 64bit address pointers in userspace and the effectively-segmented addressing model vanishes up its own backside _even though_ the kernel vmm is _still_ using pae in that model. |
| 14:12.40 | liable | xingu: should we care? |
| 14:12.46 | xingu | probably not |
| 14:12.49 | xingu | have a beer. :) |
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| 14:12.53 | liable | phew |
| 14:13.29 | AnyFile | How can I extract a file from a deb package? |
| 14:13.47 | liable | AnyFile: dpkg -x or you can use ar |
| 14:13.53 | liable | !arr |
| 14:13.57 | AnyFile | thanks |
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| 14:14.06 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 14:14.06 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 14:14.13 | liable | dpkg: talk like a pirate |
| 14:14.13 | dpkg | liable: no idea |
| 14:14.17 | liable | meh |
| 14:14.27 | R-B | hi, i'm italian account |
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| 14:15.11 | R-B | but i can speak some english |
| 14:15.17 | liable | R-B: hi, ask away |
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| 14:18.45 | PriitM_ | Hi, does changing motherboard require reinstall of debian testing? I'm using default 686 kernel |
| 14:19.11 | Bushmills | PriitM_: usually not |
| 14:19.16 | rvsjoen | not entirely sure but I dont think so |
| 14:19.19 | liable | no, it should work if the kernel supports the hardware |
| 14:19.21 | wols_ | PriitM_: no |
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| 14:19.39 | PriitM_ | thanks :) |
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| 14:21.04 | xingu | holy crap that was loud; ~8kg or so chunk of ice just dropped in the freezer (defrosting it for the first time in far too long) |
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| 14:21.46 | Bushmills | protect the penguins! |
| 14:22.56 | Bushmills | "permafrost meltdown everywhere - but not in my freezer" |
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| 14:25.55 | xingu | it's been remarkably good, was brand new when I moved in and it's a frost-free design; but eventually enough moisture gets into the well to freeze over on the coils and then it's all downhill from there |
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| 14:26.24 | Bushmills | frost happens |
| 14:27.03 | Bushmills | let's hope it won't hit the fan |
| 14:27.15 | xingu | :) |
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| 14:34.18 | xingu | oh very cool, 256GB sata-ii ssd's on way. |
| 14:34.19 | lrp | hello everyone |
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| 14:34.37 | lrp | how can i install mklivecd lastest version ??? |
| 14:34.42 | oskie | anyone know how to make sort sort stricly according to ASCII table (or just 8bit plain)? |
| 14:34.44 | lrp | im using debian etch |
| 14:35.07 | streuner | lrp: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:35.24 | lrp | [streuner] wait i ll paste |
| 14:35.57 | AnyFile | Bye |
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| 14:36.56 | lrp | [streuner] http://pastebin.ca/1029973F there is the output |
| 14:37.55 | streuner | lrp: just paste the output here and tell us about mklivecd, that package doesn't exist in Debian |
| 14:38.27 | ricardo | Im thinbking about upgrading from etch to lenny. I have listbugs installed. Should I turn off lstbugs while doing the upgrade ? |
| 14:38.40 | lrp | [streuner] http://sourceforge.net/projects/mklivecd/) |
| 14:38.52 | streuner | yes |
| 14:38.58 | streuner | !info mklivecd |
| 14:39.36 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'mklivecd' does not exist. |
| 14:39.37 | dpkg | streuner: i don't know |
| 14:40.05 | ricardo | Will doing an upgrade give me the option to revert to an older kernel version ? Shouldnt I install rather than upgrade ? |
| 14:40.23 | lrp | [streuner] saw what i need to do ? |
| 14:40.44 | streuner | lrp: well, the URL just mention what to do about "Snapshots of the latest sources are available via anonymous CVS access." |
| 14:40.44 | lrp | mklivecd creates a Live-CD from the Debian GNU/Linux distribution |
| 14:41.29 | tarzeau | live-helper you mean? |
| 14:41.45 | streuner | lrp: there are already LIVE-CD's avaiable for Debian |
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| 14:42.05 | streuner | lrp: Debian has a project and grml (grml.org) |
| 14:42.17 | lrp | [streuner] grml ?? |
| 14:42.22 | streuner | tarzeau: http://mklivecd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:42.27 | streuner | !grml |
| 14:42.27 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 14:42.47 | lrp | [streuner] no i dont want that , i want to create my own live-cd |
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| 14:43.08 | tarzeau | streuner: is it in debian? |
| 14:43.09 | lrp | from my workstation |
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| 14:43.11 | lrp | yes |
| 14:43.16 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
| 14:43.18 | lrp | yes? |
| 14:43.40 | gimmal | hey, any tips on how to get a thing java_app_platform_sdk-5_05-linux.bin to be recognized by make-jpkg ? |
| 14:43.59 | gimmal | that naming pattern is not even nearly in anything matching /usr/share/java-package/*.sh |
| 14:44.02 | tarzeau | lrp: bootcd - run your system from cd without need for disks |
| 14:44.10 | tarzeau | i've used that once... |
| 14:44.12 | jaunny | I saw into a weeb page a msn window, then i have been able to dial with a man in this page, how can i do the same? give me a keyword |
| 14:44.20 | tarzeau | but these days i use live-helper, to do livecd.gnustep.org |
| 14:44.41 | gimmal | doesn't like the equivs option, for all of the work still left after that, for 'alternatives' updates on it |
| 14:44.52 | gimmal | but hell, it may be less work than this questioning! |
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| 14:46.59 | gimmal | anyone know what sets JAVA_HOME in the debian java stuff? |
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| 14:48.01 | lrp | mm |
| 14:48.28 | lrp | [tarzeau] you mean with bootcd i can make my own live-cd like knoppix or ubuntu ? |
| 14:48.30 | trifler | profile? |
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| 14:49.18 | gimmal | is lost, fuck it |
| 14:49.43 | stew | gimmal: in general, you shouldn't need to |
| 14:50.39 | stew | gimmal: are you using debian's java packages? |
| 14:51.06 | stew | oh, you are making your own instead, but that should work as well if you are usinb make-jpkg |
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| 14:54.01 | irule | hi, I am installing a bunch of linux server on old hardware, just 2 or 3 years old, right now I am on a server that, every few minutes or so, gives me a message saying that "eth0 link changed 100 mbps full duplex" .. is this normal? |
| 14:54.10 | ricardo | so isnt it best to install lenny rather than upgrade ? |
| 14:54.22 | irule | its always better to install |
| 14:54.52 | stew | ricardo: if the beta installer works it would be a quicker process, installing stable and upgrading has a better chance of working |
| 14:55.27 | lrp | hey |
| 14:55.36 | lrp | elilo can broken my boot manager ? |
| 14:55.43 | ricardo | im running etch but im sure ive read somewhere to intall rather than upgrade so yuou canrevert to the old version |
| 14:56.00 | lrp | im installing now bootcd and i need to know if elilo can messed up my system |
| 14:56.14 | stew | ricardo: how would you revert? |
| 14:56.22 | lrp | [tarzeau] are you there? |
| 14:56.22 | stew | ricardo: and why would you revert? |
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| 14:57.12 | ricardo | stew in lilo i could go back to "old Kernal" if things didnt work with the new kernal |
| 14:57.28 | lrp | any1 here know about it ? |
| 14:57.55 | stew | ricardo: you could do that if you upgrade. how are you going to do that if you do a fresh install? |
| 14:58.27 | ricardo | stew ok i didnt realise I could do that with an upgrade |
| 14:58.33 | ricardo | thanks |
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| 15:00.32 | lrp | [stew] where is the boot loader of debian system ? /etc/boot.cfg ? |
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| 15:01.19 | lrp | i believe i can make a copy of my boot loader table and be aware if my system crash because im installing bootcd |
| 15:02.02 | NthDegree | just to confirm it's still cat /etc/debian_version to find out what version of debian you run right? |
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| 15:02.12 | NthDegree | !version |
| 15:02.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 15:02.16 | stew | lrp: the boot loader is typiclaly on the first sector of the drive. the configuration of the bootloader depends on which bootloader you are using. most people ues grub, which has its configuration in /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 15:03.25 | jberg | hm, i have two 750 gb sata disks i want to run raid 1 on them. someone said i should also use LVM because i could partition them better or something? |
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| 15:05.34 | lrp | [stew] thanks |
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| 15:05.45 | NthDegree | jberg, you can resize with LVM easier |
| 15:05.47 | NthDegree | that's why |
| 15:05.56 | jberg | resize partitions? |
| 15:06.03 | NthDegree | yeah |
| 15:06.09 | NthDegree | they are all logical when you use LVM |
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| 15:06.43 | jberg | ok thanks |
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| 15:09.11 | cedric3 | hi i have a file i want to see tha package of this file who can help me please? |
| 15:09.23 | Bushmills | cedric3: dpkg can |
| 15:09.28 | lrp | uff bottcd installed now what i have to do ? any1 can give me a hand on this ? |
| 15:09.32 | nixx | cedric3, dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 15:11.01 | cedric3 | nixx : when i type this i have file not found but the file is ok i |
| 15:11.58 | nixx | cedric3, that means that files does not belong to any package |
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| 15:12.22 | jberg | oh and someone said i should tune the disks with a tool since they were big, something with sparse array or something, does anyone know which tool it was? |
| 15:12.29 | nixx | cedric3, most probably user generated file |
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| 15:12.55 | cedric3 | nixx : i think no but i see thanks |
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| 15:22.46 | mimcpher | Is dm_crypt the best way to do full-disk encryption on my laptop? |
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| 15:32.14 | sparr | how can i forcibly break a process' file lock? in the same way as removing the volume containing the file, but without doing that or killing the process? |
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| 15:32.53 | abrotman | sparr: remove the lock file? |
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| 15:33.50 | sparr | not a lock file |
| 15:34.00 | sparr | a file that is locked, such that it cannot be written to by another process |
| 15:34.19 | abrotman | kill the process |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | sparr: ask ##linux .. this isn't a Debian question |
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| 15:35.16 | sparr | interestingly enough, im actually using debian today :) |
| 15:35.23 | sparr | but whatever |
| 15:36.05 | BubbaT | If you suspect a bug in a package, how do you downgrade the package? |
| 15:36.32 | jberg | uhm, i have two 750 gb harddisks whih. i want to mount 700 gb as /files or |
| 15:36.35 | jberg | err |
| 15:36.56 | Bushmills | BubbaT: other way around, test it in chroot. if you suspect a bug, don't upgrade into your main installation |
| 15:37.22 | jberg | i want raid 1, 700 gb as /files or something, 40 gb as / and 10 gb unmounted. how do i do this in the partition manager in the installation? |
| 15:37.29 | BubbaT | Bushmills, it's already in my main isntallation. |
| 15:37.40 | abrotman | sparr: sure, but i suspect it's a linux/C/programming question |
| 15:37.40 | jberg | first partition the way i want then choose raid or choose raid first then partition? |
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| 15:40.32 | sparr | abrotman: no, its a "firefox is locking /dev/snd/* and i want to break it without closing it" question |
| 15:40.40 | abrotman | sparr: that's flash |
| 15:40.46 | sparr | yes its flash |
| 15:40.47 | abrotman | sparr: which version of flash? |
| 15:41.01 | sparr | 9 |
| 15:41.18 | abrotman | flash9 is supposed to use alsa |
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| 15:41.30 | abrotman | you could use the dmix system to do multiple sounds |
| 15:41.57 | sparr | ive tried to use dmix multiple times in the past few years, it never works out |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | you're doing it wrong? |
| 15:42.13 | sparr | quite probably |
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| 15:44.17 | sparr | which, i believe, was your response three years ago to the same problem :) |
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| 15:44.53 | zephyr | After upgrading from gutsy to hardy my webcam does not seem to work. Whenever I try to start camorama for example, I get an error message saying "Could not connect to video device (/dev/video0) Please check connection". My connection is fine, I can see the webcam with lsusb but it still won`t start |
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| 15:45.28 | cahoot | zephyr: you're aware you are in #debian? |
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| 15:46.19 | cahoot | s/are/ask/ |
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| 15:46.50 | zephyr | cahoot, actually yes, but people in #ubuntu don`t really want to help me and since Ubuntu is a lot like debian I thought you guys maybe could help |
| 15:46.52 | zephyr | :) |
| 15:47.10 | jelly | !they don't know |
| 15:47.10 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 15:47.52 | peterrooney | zephyr: is that really what the ubuntu community is like? |
| 15:48.09 | jelly | zephyr: I'd suggest searching for issues with updated kernel version, or v4l |
| 15:48.10 | zephyr | Well, in that case I`m sorry. But if I was using debian what suggestions would you have given me ? |
| 15:48.40 | sparr | zephyr: good luck with that. they won't even help if you go install debian and duplicate the problem. youve forever branded yourself an outcast by installing ubuntu. |
| 15:48.42 | peterrooney | zephyr: well, first we would have asked "oldstable, stable, or testing?" |
| 15:48.42 | jelly | zephyr: but you aren't, and filing bugs in debian bugs tracking system isn't going to help you :-| |
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| 15:49.41 | jelly | sparr: he's not an outcast for installing other distro, but looking for support should be done in the proper place |
| 15:50.11 | jelly | sparr: I'm running RHEL and Solaris, but you don't see me asking questions here about those |
| 15:50.43 | sparr | jelly: yes, but if you have a problem in RHEL, and install debian and duplicate the problem, how is that any less relevant to #debian than someone who just encountered the problem in debian alone? |
| 15:51.34 | zephyr | actually the reason I asked my question here is that the other day when I had some issues with my DEBIAN PC, some really nice people tried to help me, so ... I just thought maybe you would help. :) |
| 15:51.37 | jelly | sparr: I also won't discuss hypothetical issues. |
| 15:51.52 | zephyr | But you`re right I was asking my question in the wrong place, so ... I`m sorry. :) |
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| 15:52.41 | sparr | jelly: this is not hypothetical. i have repeatedly had unusual problems with apt configuration, wholly distro agnostic problems. after being refused help, i installed debian and reproduced the problems, only to meet the same brick wall |
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| 15:54.24 | jelly | sparr: being ignored while having a debian issue sounds a bit unusual for me |
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| 15:55.11 | jelly | sparr: well, you always have bts if realtime volunteers are unresponsive |
| 15:55.12 | abrotman | it's a flash problem |
| 15:55.38 | AbsintheSyringe | my network-manager-gnome always displays that I'm offline, even tho I'm connected, debian testing nm 0.6.6-2 |
| 15:56.10 | abrotman | sparr: you also have a *long* history of asking very offtopic questions here .. so pipe down |
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| 15:57.54 | sparr | jelly: bts is for bugs, not support |
| 15:58.15 | abrotman | you can get support from there .. many problems/issues have been noted, and the fixes are within the BTS |
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| 15:58.21 | jelly | sparr: bts is for resolving bugs |
| 15:58.26 | H4z3 | My cdrom drive doesn't recognize when I put in a CD, I'm pretty sure its not a hardware problem as it was fine before I installed Debian, any ideas for troubleshooting? |
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| 15:58.47 | sparr | does 'eject' work? |
| 15:58.52 | eolo999 | hi, i'm trying to keep my box as minimal as possible... now i wanted to install 'at' and apt tries to install all the 'citadel' stuff, where am i wrong? |
| 15:59.00 | H4z3 | sparr: Yeah, heh |
| 15:59.39 | jelly | sparr: debian-users mailing list is another place where you can ask |
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| 16:02.56 | eolo999 | it seems 'citadel-mta' is choosen to provide an mta?!? i don't understand |
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| 16:05.21 | RockerMonkey | Why would backspace paste stuff instead of backspacing whenever i'm in screen? I've encountered this both in Debian and Ubuntu so i guess it's a Debian thing |
| 16:05.45 | RockerMonkey | and now andLinux :< |
| 16:05.49 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: huh? |
| 16:05.57 | jelly | eolo999: sounds like a bug in at's dependencies. You can stop that process and install, say, exim4-deamon-light instead |
| 16:06.06 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: that's almost certainly an issue with whatever your terminal is. |
| 16:06.18 | Bushmills | BubbaT: look what other packages have been upgraded (those may be the reason for the bug too, or the downgraded program won't work with those upgraded dependencies anymore). apt-cache depends package shows the dependencies. download them, maybe with web browser, from debian.org, install them with dpkg -i. you may have to remove the one or other package first. |
| 16:06.20 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, it's the default one that comes with debian called 'terminal' |
| 16:06.44 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: we don't distribute a terminal called terminal. |
| 16:06.52 | eolo999 | jelly: it seems a bug in apt because aptitude handled the dependencies properly, thx. (apt -1, aptitude +1) |
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| 16:07.07 | RockerMonkey | um.... dondelelcaro that's what has come with every Debian install i've ever made |
| 16:07.08 | jelly | eolo999: that's very possible as well :-) |
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| 16:07.19 | abrotman | RockerMonkey: in X? console? gnome? kde? |
| 16:07.26 | RockerMonkey | xfce |
| 16:07.27 | Bushmills | BubbaT: don't forget that those dependencies have again dependecies too. |
| 16:07.30 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: there may be something in a menu labelled "terminal", but that's not what it is. |
| 16:07.36 | jelly | eolo999: you could add it to the rather long list of apt bugs |
| 16:07.42 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: then it's xfce-terminal, most likely. |
| 16:07.45 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, in the program i go to Help->About and it says Terminal |
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| 16:07.54 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: well, it's lying |
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| 16:08.16 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: doing a ps axfu; will tell you exactly what terminal it is. |
| 16:08.21 | eolo999 | jelly: i find apt quite strange lately (i'm in sid) :( |
| 16:08.52 | jelly | dondelelcaro: it's not. xfce's term. app is really named "Terminal". Debian calls the binary xfce4-terminal though |
| 16:09.27 | dondelelcaro | jelly: oh, xfce can give it whatever stupid name they want; we don't distribute it with that name, though. |
| 16:09.29 | jelly | the process' ARGV[0] will likely be either xfce4-terminal or x-terminal-emulator |
| 16:09.37 | jebix | eolo999: I'm running Lenny and I can install 'at' using either aptitude or apt-get without the dependency issue you have. |
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| 16:09.51 | RockerMonkey | yea it's caled xfce4-terminal |
| 16:09.58 | RockerMonkey | but the app name is Terminal nonethelss =P |
| 16:10.04 | RockerMonkey | but it happens any time i use screen, even over ssh |
| 16:10.05 | jelly | dondelelcaro: that's because you're just a bunch of [Godwin's Law invocation censored] |
| 16:10.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly: we have about four desktops that ship something they call "terminal" |
| 16:10.43 | eolo999 | jebix: my apt is getting crazy, don't know what's happening and how to 'reset' it |
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| 16:11.07 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: and it works properly within the term? and screen locally doesn't? |
| 16:11.26 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: what is TERM set to inside screen and outside of screen? |
| 16:11.41 | RockerMonkey | xterm -.- that'd explain it |
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| 16:12.30 | RockerMonkey | oh in screen |
| 16:12.38 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, in screen TERM is set to 'screen' |
| 16:13.15 | jelly | now, why would something that's not an xterm use xterm's terminfo settings is a whole other can of worms |
| 16:13.42 | jebix | eolo999: when that happens, I usually just hold off for a while and hope things get straightened out. Its dangerous running sid. just try later? |
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| 16:14.10 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: right, and we're talking about backspace here? |
| 16:14.15 | eolo999 | jebix: i like risks |
| 16:14.24 | eolo999 | and i like sid... |
| 16:14.38 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, yea, the backspace key does nothing or pastes something (i guess depending on if i copied anything before) |
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| 16:14.55 | RockerMonkey | hi cal |
| 16:14.59 | cal | anyone know xorg's process name? |
| 16:15.03 | cal | hi RockerMonkey |
| 16:15.21 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: from which buffer? |
| 16:15.33 | eolo999 | cal: X |
| 16:15.47 | Decepticon | how can i test if a ssh tunnel is working? |
| 16:15.51 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, what do you mean? |
| 16:15.55 | cal | eolo999: not working |
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| 16:16.21 | RockerMonkey | cal, what are you trying to do? |
| 16:16.44 | eolo999 | sometimes you start it with startx or with xdm or gdm |
| 16:16.50 | cal | RockerMonkey: kill xorg |
| 16:16.56 | RockerMonkey | cal, killall -9 X |
| 16:17.05 | cal | tries |
| 16:17.06 | jelly | Decepticon: connect to the listening port with telnet or nc, see if the destination side responds? |
| 16:17.15 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: is it something that you selected in X which is being pasted? or something from screen's buffer? |
| 16:17.17 | cal | RockerMonkey: failed |
| 16:17.18 | RockerMonkey | cal, or ctrl+alt+backspace (assuming backspace works =P) |
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| 16:17.30 | eolo999 | Ctrl+Alt+F1 |
| 16:17.31 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, whatever i last copied from any terminal |
| 16:17.46 | jelly | Decepticon: (assuming you're tunneling a single tcp port) |
| 16:17.54 | Decepticon | jelly yes im tunneling with -D |
| 16:18.00 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: well, that's really odd, because screen doesn't know anything about X's selection buffers. |
| 16:18.13 | eolo999 | then /etc/init.d/gdm stop (if you have gnome, otherwise kdm, or whatever |
| 16:18.28 | jelly | Decepticon: -D is a socks proxy. |
| 16:18.32 | cal | I already killed gdm (thats what someone said to do first) but xorg seems to have no process name I can find :- |
| 16:18.39 | jelly | Decepticon: use a socks-enabled client |
| 16:18.47 | Decepticon | jelly, yes i want to check if my socks proxy worked |
| 16:19.02 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: does c-h delete properly in screen? |
| 16:19.03 | eolo999 | try ps aux | grep gdm |
| 16:19.06 | jelly | Decepticon: so start a socks-aware app? |
| 16:19.08 | Decepticon | jelly what is such a program? |
| 16:19.29 | RockerMonkey | dondelelcaro, yea |
| 16:19.34 | cal | eolo999: failed :( |
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| 16:20.03 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: well, that's what the terminal should be sending; I don't know about xfce's terminal enough to tell you exactly what the problem is, but I suspect that's where the bug is. |
| 16:20.14 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: try using xterm instead. |
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| 16:20.23 | eolo999 | cal: can you Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
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| 16:20.49 | jelly | Decepticon: you can also use a normal socket app like telnet with "tsocks" or "dante-client" wrapper |
| 16:21.12 | dondelelcaro | RockerMonkey: and you really should be checking the BTS first. See #480367. |
| 16:21.21 | RockerMonkey | BTS?... |
| 16:21.31 | cal | eolo999: nah |
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| 16:21.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell RockerMonkey -about bts |
| 16:21.44 | cal | restarts gdm and tries again |
| 16:21.46 | eolo999 | cal: can you Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace? |
| 16:21.49 | xingu | stoops to a new low |
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| 16:21.59 | cal | eolo999: trying.. |
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| 16:22.22 | xingu | ever been so keen for a beer in a place with no bottle opener at all, you've openned one up with a fork? |
| 16:22.31 | eolo999 | cal: what's your problem tough? |
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| 16:22.42 | Neeesat | hello to all |
| 16:22.56 | abrotman | xingu: i've used people's lighters |
| 16:22.57 | eolo999 | Neeesat: hi |
| 16:23.01 | abrotman | xingu: like at BBQs |
| 16:23.16 | jelly | Decepticon: so, install tsocks, edit /etc/tsocks.conf to point to your -D configured proxy, run "tsocks elinks http://www.whatismyip.com/" or "tsocks telnet wherever" |
| 16:23.18 | cal | eolo999: I need to kill xorg |
| 16:23.27 | xingu | abrotman: neat; blunt imlement, or heat? |
| 16:23.32 | eolo999 | you restarted it, now |
| 16:23.38 | Decepticon | jelly interesting, thanks for that info |
| 16:23.41 | abrotman | xingu: use your finger as a pivot .. pry it off |
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| 16:23.50 | xingu | aah |
| 16:23.52 | Neeesat | I was running a debian system on a compact flash with raid1 joining two disks with 320GB each. I have transfer the disks to a new system and I want to rejoin them without losing any data. Is this possible? |
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| 16:24.55 | eolo999 | cal: why can't you go on tty1 with Ctrl-Alt+F1? |
| 16:25.04 | xingu | abrotman: was thinking that the cap would expand given a short burst of heat, too; more quickly than the glass |
| 16:25.15 | cal | eolo999: nothing seems to work... |
| 16:25.19 | abrotman | xingu: wouldn't try it myself .. |
| 16:25.38 | jelly | xingu: this is why we now have an opener in our room at work |
| 16:25.40 | eolo999 | but C-A-BackSpace restarted xorg? |
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| 16:26.29 | xingu | abrotman: in those sorts of situations (the bbq or tailgater) I've usually just gone the smack it on the side of some piece of public furniture route |
| 16:26.40 | dondelelcaro | Neeesat: yes; they should just work if you plug them into a new machine which supports raid. |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | xingu: same idea |
| 16:26.45 | xingu | abrotman: but the beer's usually so poor that one or two shattered longnecks don't matter |
| 16:26.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:26.57 | cal | eolo999: yes |
| 16:27.06 | dondelelcaro | Neeesat: assuming you're talking about linux software raid, anyway. |
| 16:27.08 | jelly | xingu: a thin (2-3mm?) flat screwdriver can pry it off bit by bit, watch out for glass |
| 16:27.10 | cal | it restarts it, but I need xorg disabled... |
| 16:27.11 | xingu | abrotman: in this case I'm moving out of a flat and everything except me and the beer is at the other end of the journey |
| 16:27.16 | Neeesat | Can someone confirm that the command: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sdb1 is not removing any data from my disk? |
| 16:27.19 | abrotman | doh |
| 16:27.22 | xingu | jelly: yeah, see above :) |
| 16:27.27 | eolo999 | and you're using gdm, isn't it? |
| 16:27.28 | jelly | xingu: keys? |
| 16:27.30 | xingu | fork did the trick |
| 16:27.31 | dondelelcaro | Neeesat: you shouldn't need to create the devices. |
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| 16:27.46 | Neeesat | with the above command? |
| 16:27.50 | dondelelcaro | Neeesat: when you put them into the new system, they should be automatically detected at boot, and assembled. |
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| 16:28.03 | jelly | xingu: In Soviet Linux, ve use clone. |
| 16:28.04 | xingu | not too keen to 1/ waste the beer or 2/ beer up the carpet in the last week in this place |
| 16:28.14 | xingu | splices jelly |
| 16:28.31 | jelly | reassembles like an md array |
| 16:28.42 | Neeesat | In the new system are shown as /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
| 16:29.10 | xingu | giggles as jelly's fubar bitmap reconstruction code resyncs the wrong way |
| 16:29.14 | Neeesat | The new system is booting from a third disk IDE |
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| 16:29.38 | Neeesat | I have RAID1 loaded |
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| 16:30.33 | jelly | has backups |
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| 16:31.28 | xingu | jelly: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=121007516529115&w=2 <-- keep an eye on this. |
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| 16:32.55 | jelly | doesn't want to know, and lives in hopes that redhat will catch any excessive stupidity |
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| 16:33.22 | Neeesat | If I run mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 it will destroy my data. Correct? |
| 16:34.40 | xingu | ponders |
| 16:36.06 | Bushmills | Neeesat: strictly speakiing, no. it only rearranges them. |
| 16:36.12 | xingu | ata-over-ethernet plus two dual bay atom-based chassis plus 256GB ssd's... |
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| 16:36.50 | Bushmills | Neeesat: but rearranges them in such a way that the likeliness of undoing that is about nil |
| 16:37.10 | xingu | mirror of stripe w/ no seek penalty, could work |
| 16:37.25 | Neeesat | To create /dev/md0 connected to my first disk I have to run: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sda1. correct? |
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| 16:40.34 | Neeesat | Bushmills? |
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| 16:41.07 | Bushmills | sorry, i'm try to not opinionate on potentially destructive operations :) |
| 16:41.09 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 16:41.09 | anddam | hello |
| 16:41.42 | anddam | Bushmills: like shaving one's pubes? |
| 16:41.42 | Bushmills | ask me something more harmless |
| 16:41.55 | Neeesat | You mean the above command will destroy my data? |
| 16:42.06 | beardy | Or shave your pubes? |
| 16:42.21 | anddam | wifi question: I've build the rt2400 module with m-a and my interface shows as eth21 rather than ra0 even if I have just 2 nics |
| 16:42.24 | anddam | whi is this? |
| 16:42.35 | Bushmills | no. i didn't say that. but i for sure didn't say that it doesn't. in fact, i'd be, if forced, more inclined to say "it will" |
| 16:42.58 | Bushmills | but only .. effectively. strictly speaking, no. |
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| 16:43.17 | Neeesat | How I connect them then? |
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| 16:43.35 | Bushmills | oh sorry. that;s not mkfs'sing yet |
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| 16:44.01 | Bushmills | my "not strictly" before related to mkfs |
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| 16:45.42 | Neeesat | I have follow this article at the begeining: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/238 to create it. But I am not sure what I have to left out to be safe |
| 16:45.51 | Bushmills | backup? |
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| 16:46.35 | Neeesat | Are big files and not too easy to backup |
| 16:46.38 | Bushmills | oh well, i just assume you have a backup |
| 16:46.42 | Bushmills | everybody has, right? |
| 16:46.54 | Bushmills | hm |
| 16:46.56 | Neeesat | Are movie files |
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| 16:47.11 | Bushmills | so, worthless |
| 16:47.16 | Neeesat | nevermind what do you suggest? |
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| 16:47.24 | Bushmills | i mean, only worthless files aren't backupped. |
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| 16:47.54 | Neeesat | Are all movie files |
| 16:47.57 | Bushmills | i'd suggest, as they are worthless, to remove them |
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| 16:48.24 | Neeesat | I want to mount them as they are |
| 16:49.54 | Bushmills | given that you have backups of valuable data, and no backups of worthless data, i think it is safe to say: you're safe. |
| 16:50.36 | Neeesat | done it |
| 16:50.49 | Neeesat | I have join them and I can see all my data |
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| 16:51.54 | Neeesat | I have use: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices=2 missing /dev/sda1. To create my arrays and then mount /dev/md0 |
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| 16:54.02 | Bushmills | how come you find movies difficult to backup, but have enough disk space for raid 1 ? |
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| 16:55.33 | H4z3 | xsdg: http://pastie.caboo.se/203498 |
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| 16:56.58 | xsdg | H4z3: do you see anything in /var/log/messages or /var/log/daemon.log that says why atd failed to start? |
| 16:57.00 | Neeesat | Each movie is 25GB |
| 16:57.07 | Neeesat | HD 1080P |
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| 16:57.55 | e^ipi | is there a reccomended way to run an apt-get update on boot, or should I just write an rc script for it |
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| 16:58.19 | H4z3 | xsdg: No, nothing, and apparently I dont have perms to access log/messages, as root |
| 16:58.32 | Eulex | e^ipi, use cron-apt and anacron |
| 16:58.41 | xsdg | e^ipi: the latter, though why would you want to do that on boot? |
| 16:58.44 | trifler | e^ipi: Im just curious why would you want to do that? |
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| 16:58.53 | abrotman | it's an update .. not an upgrade |
| 16:59.15 | e^ipi | trifler: because it's for an amazon cloud image that i want to get all of it's configuration from puppet |
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| 16:59.48 | e^ipi | the apt repository at the top of it's list is a server that we run, and i've no idea what will be on it |
| 17:00.11 | e^ipi | i'm trying to make it so nobody ever needs to ssh in to the image itself |
| 17:00.29 | abrotman | e^ipi: what about apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 17:00.35 | Pete_B | I'm wanting to setup a server with 1 disk, but later 2, RAID1, the 2nd disk as missing for now. Do I tell Debian Installer there is 1 active disk and 1 spare? |
| 17:00.35 | e^ipi | abrotman: what about it? |
| 17:00.45 | e^ipi | i'm not going to upgrade the image willy-nilly |
| 17:00.46 | abrotman | the update just updates available packages |
| 17:00.50 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 17:00.56 | abrotman | but someone will still have to ssh in ? |
| 17:01.07 | e^ipi | nope, if that's the case we'll roll a new image out |
| 17:01.22 | e^ipi | ssh-ing in to 3 dozen images to run an upgrade is a pain in the ass |
| 17:01.29 | Neeesat | Thanks for you time |
| 17:01.37 | abrotman | so you're never going to do an upgrade on the actual box .. but you want to keep the apt repos up to date? |
| 17:01.48 | e^ipi | abrotman: yes |
| 17:01.55 | e^ipi | because puppet lets you install things |
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| 17:02.09 | abrotman | but you just said you were going to roll out a newimage instead of updating |
| 17:02.10 | e^ipi | as in, apt-get install OurReallyCoolAppThatBusinessDependsOn |
| 17:02.17 | e^ipi | instead of /upgrading/ |
| 17:02.23 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 17:02.23 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 17:02.27 | xsdg | H4z3: maybe try removing it? |
| 17:02.48 | e^ipi | i'm aware of what aptitude is |
| 17:02.49 | abrotman | e^ipi: write your own script ..it'll be pretty easy obviously |
| 17:03.01 | piko | Hi, is there any tool for encoding between different codecs (like mpeg, mp4 ... xvid)? |
| 17:03.04 | abrotman | e^ipi: also, there is cron-apt |
| 17:03.17 | e^ipi | i'm just working with puppet here... whatever it provides, i use |
| 17:03.18 | cahoot | piko: mencoder? |
| 17:03.21 | piko | I tried mencoder that did not help me |
| 17:03.39 | piko | cahoot: yes, I had problems with libavcodec -> mpeg |
| 17:03.44 | e^ipi | but thanks for the cron-apt suggestion |
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| 17:04.00 | xsdg | piko: mencoder, transcode, ffmpeg |
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| 17:04.19 | macd | After creating and activation a LVM group, what/how do I mount it to, i.e. where is the device? |
| 17:05.01 | poseidon | Anyone here know how to get devIL set up in the path so that I can include it's header (I installed libdevil-dev) |
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| 17:05.23 | H4z3 | xsdg: No difference, and I have to go out now. Thanks for the help, though. |
| 17:05.38 | xsdg | adieu; suerte |
| 17:05.58 | piko | xsdg: ok, I will try, thanks |
| 17:06.26 | e^ipi | presumably i need to plug cron-apt in to cron(1M) , yeah? |
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| 17:06.42 | xsdg | e^ipi: I would imagine it does that on its own |
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| 17:07.19 | pygmalion | does anyone know if there is a debian package of vim-7.1? the latest i can find is 7.0 |
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| 17:07.53 | pygmalion | for etch that is |
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| 17:10.44 | abrotman | !tell pygmalion about bpo |
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| 17:11.04 | pygmalion | thanks abrotman |
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| 17:12.24 | e^ipi | alright, cheers |
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| 17:15.46 | Pete_B | if I want RAID1+LVM, do I have to setup 1 RAID1 device, / in a partition then the other partition LVM? |
| 17:17.18 | xsdg | !tell me about bpo |
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| 17:17.23 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 17:17.33 | dazjorz | Chkrootkit just informed me there are some procs missing on the ps list that are in /proc |
| 17:17.35 | Pete_B | or do I need to setup 2 RAID1 devices, 1 just for RAID1, the other additionally for LVM? |
| 17:17.49 | dazjorz | So I started checking, there are indeed some services running hidden, such as mysql, et cetera |
| 17:17.55 | dazjorz | mysql and bind as the most important ones |
| 17:17.59 | Unbeliever | anybody knows why /etc/init.d/pulseaudio is made to never startup? |
| 17:18.01 | dazjorz | When I restart them, however, they are still hidden |
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| 17:18.12 | dazjorz | How does this happen? |
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| 17:21.48 | phrost6 | whats dbconfig-common doing when it says flushing administrative password? its been saying that for about 5 minutes now on a nagvis/ndo install |
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| 17:25.06 | xingu | hmm, take the garbage out, or finish off the last beer |
| 17:25.48 | xingu | flips a coin and grins as it lands beer side up |
| 17:26.04 | |Ryan52 | Mutt gets angry at me and says "GPG signature not verified" (or whatever it says) when I get GPG signed emails on debian lists. How can I make it look at the keyrings from the debian-maintainers and debian-keyring packages? |
| 17:27.22 | wwasher | still poking around in bluetooth -- i can pair with a keyboard but when i try to pair with the cellphone (supposedly /dev/rfcomm0, and bitpim does bring it up and the cell announces that a pairing is being attempted) but the passkey i've left in /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf seems to be ignored. |
| 17:27.39 | wwasher | xingu : that's a double-beer sided coin, you have there |
| 17:27.51 | wwasher | xingu : i use them too |
| 17:28.08 | xingu | wwasher: ssh, don't tell everyone, they'll all want one |
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| 17:29.26 | xingu | there's nothing worse than badly done "application aware" bandwidth control that essentially forces you to reissue the same transaction until the entirety of the response is cached |
| 17:29.37 | xingu | talk about counterproductive |
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| 17:29.54 | xingu | I bet the dude that set it up probably thinks they're the dog's bollocks too |
| 17:30.28 | Bushmills | |Ryan52: you need their public gpg keys. available from a key server. MIT has some, for example. import them to your keyring. |
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| 17:31.06 | xingu | ponders a hacked-up userspace tcp that is trained to send dup-ACK's at wire rate |
| 17:31.10 | Tyrant91101 | !find sh |
| 17:31.11 | Bushmills | |Ryan52: maybe available on personal web sites too, but not verified there. |
| 17:31.33 | |Ryan52 | Bushmills: Ya, I get that. and its not verified on the keyservers either. |
| 17:32.18 | abrotman | !tell Tyrant91101 about search |
| 17:32.52 | Supaplex | xingu: ?! heh |
| 17:32.55 | |Ryan52 | Bushmills: But I already have them on my computer. and its more trustable from a debian package. so theres no way to make it use those keyrings? |
| 17:33.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sh' (11 of 31): (/bin/ash) in shells/ash ;; (/bin/zsh4) in shells/zsh ;; (/bin/posh) in shells/posh ;; (/bin/ksh93) in shells/ksh ;; (/bin/mksh) in shells/mksh ;; (/bin/tcsh) in shells/tcsh ;; (/bin/dash) in shells/dash ;; (/bin/sash) in shells/sash ;; (/bin/bsd-csh) in shells/csh ;; (/bin/pdksh) in shells/pdksh ;; (/bin/fdflush) in utils/fdflush. |
| 17:33.16 | Tyrant91101 | abrotman, have you ever done apt-get install sh or apt-cache search sh? |
| 17:33.23 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:33.36 | Tyrant91101 | im trying to find which package its part of |
| 17:33.43 | Unbeliever | is anybody using pulseaudio here? |
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| 17:33.47 | Tyrant91101 | and apt-get tells me nothing |
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| 17:34.13 | Supaplex | !anyone use pulseaudio |
| 17:34.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses pulseaudio, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:34.18 | ph_softnet | hi all. has anyone used nfsv4 with kerberos?I have this question: where does nfsv4 use machine credentials? |
| 17:34.25 | abrotman | Tyrant91101: which shell do you want? |
| 17:34.26 | Supaplex | Unbeliever: metaquestion for the lose |
| 17:34.41 | Bushmills | |Ryan52: i could't tell you whether people sending email use the same keys to sign their mails as they do to sign debian packages. actually, i doubt that. |
| 17:34.43 | abrotman | !find bin/sh$ etch |
| 17:35.03 | |Ryan52 | Bushmills: oh, ya...that's just me... |
| 17:35.04 | |Ryan52 | :D |
| 17:35.05 | Tyrant91101 | abrotman: bash but theres a problem with sh execution of an install script so im trying to find the apt-get package in order to reinstall |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | Tyrant91101: the actual problem is probably more helpful |
| 17:35.21 | Supaplex | Tyrant91101: just "one" problem? like what? |
| 17:35.31 | abrotman | Tyrant91101: the /bin/sh is just a symlink |
| 17:35.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/sh' (3): (/bin/sh) in shells/bash ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/bin/sh) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/i386/standard/initrd_template/bin/sh) in admin/systemimager-boot-i386-standard. |
| 17:35.46 | Tyrant91101 | SCinterface install goes into a loop |
| 17:35.49 | Tyrant91101 | and doesnt come out |
| 17:36.08 | Tyrant91101 | you type "done" and press enter and its supposed to exit the loop |
| 17:36.09 | Tyrant91101 | but it doesnt |
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| 17:36.51 | Supaplex | so what makes you think it's /bin/sh? better question, what are you doing and how? maybe we can reproduce the problem to isolate it easier |
| 17:36.57 | abrotman | set -x ? |
| 17:37.15 | Tyrant91101 | I think its sh because switching from sh to bash in the console fixed an earlier problem with "function: not found" |
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| 17:37.20 | Tyrant91101 | abrotman, what does -x do? |
| 17:37.21 | bjwebb | hi |
| 17:37.33 | Tyrant91101 | done |
| 17:37.37 | abrotman | not reading the bash man page for you |
| 17:37.39 | bjwebb | is it possible to get a archive of a very basic debian install? |
| 17:37.40 | Tyrant91101 | mistype |
| 17:38.02 | abrotman | bjwebb: use the netinst .. when tasksel comes up, hit cancel |
| 17:38.05 | Eulex | Tyrant91101, emh, there are a lot of scripts out there that don't run with a pure sh as they contain bashisms |
| 17:38.10 | abrotman | bjwebb: you'll end up with a pretty basic system |
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| 17:38.38 | Tyrant91101 | Eulex, the original script downloads another .sh script which it then executes via sh, i edited it to execute via bash instead but then i get the loop |
| 17:38.42 | wwasher | arg. and all i'm getting in syslog is "pin_code_request" and "pair failed" on the mobil |
| 17:38.57 | bjwebb | abrotman: hmmm, okay |
| 17:38.58 | thrope | hi all - I am running etch which has squashfs-tools 3.1, but I'm having trouble unsquashing a filesystem and I think I need squashfs-tools-3.3 which is in lenny. What is the best procedure for this? I guess the lenny package won't work? |
| 17:39.15 | xingu | Tyrant91101: try executing it using ksh would be my 10,000' overview suggestion. |
| 17:39.38 | Tyrant91101 | ksh is part of kde? |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | no |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | !info ksh etch |
| 17:39.56 | dpkg | ksh: (The real, AT&T version of the Korn shell), section shells, is optional. Version: 93r-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1122 kB, Installed size: 2224 kB |
| 17:39.59 | abrotman | korn shell |
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| 17:40.02 | Tyrant91101 | kk |
| 17:40.05 | Eulex | Tyrant91101, if you're not even using sh, why would it be a problem with sh? anyway, fix the script. or make the one who provides the script fix. in any case, having a script download another script sounds very insecure. |
| 17:40.23 | xingu | statler: "there's nothing like system five shell..."/ waldorf: "... and that's nothing like system five shell"/ statler+waldorf: [laughing] |
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| 17:40.35 | bjwebb | abrotman: i actually want it in a folder |
| 17:40.38 | bjwebb | im playing with pxe |
| 17:40.45 | abrotman | in a folder? |
| 17:40.47 | bjwebb | is debootstrap what i want? |
| 17:40.58 | Bushmills | |Ryan52: i just checked against some keys myself. only few are "good". most are unavailable. |
| 17:41.12 | Eulex | bjwebb, debootstrap will get you a debian chroot. |
| 17:41.13 | Tyrant91101 | Eulex, the outside script isnt using sh, but i have no clue what the downloaded one does |
| 17:41.21 | abrotman | bjwebb: likely |
| 17:41.32 | Tyrant91101 | i'll try with ksh once apt-get finishes upgrade |
| 17:41.40 | Bushmills | |Ryan52: though i'm using claws, not mutt. but we can compare a few mails, if you like. |
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| 17:42.35 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I turn on/off my Wireless Network Adapter using a console/terminal? My shortcut key dosn't work |
| 17:45.17 | d0uglas | ifdown -a |
| 17:45.33 | abrotman | i doubt he wants -a |
| 17:45.45 | |Ryan52 | Bushmills: I asked becuase I was curios...I don't actually care :D |
| 17:46.02 | Jemt | No, I'm not talking about activating an Adapter but actually turning it on |
| 17:46.11 | Bushmills | ah. ok. then it is just gpg --import /usr/share/keyrings/debian-maintainers.gpg |
| 17:46.42 | d0uglas | hmm.. apt-get install ifupdown? |
| 17:46.44 | Bushmills | and only one developer in the last week with matching key |
| 17:47.04 | Bushmills | Raphael Geisser |
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| 17:47.11 | Bushmills | ssert |
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| 17:47.34 | V4Nelle | anybody help me about this kernel errors on 2.6.24? http://www.pastebin.org/38656 |
| 17:47.41 | |Ryan52 | oh. |
| 17:47.56 | Bushmills | now don't say that's you :) |
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| 17:48.41 | abrotman | V4Nelle: it tells you doesn't it ? |
| 17:48.57 | |Ryan52 | No, Im not a developer (yet). But I gpg sign packages and email for another project. |
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| 17:49.19 | V4Nelle | abrotman: what you mean(doesn't it) |
| 17:49.21 | |Ryan52 | err, not a debian developer |
| 17:49.47 | Bushmills | Jelmer Vernooij is also "clear" |
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| 17:50.44 | abrotman | V4Nelle: tells you there seems to be a PCI problem .. does the system fail to work correctly? |
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| 17:51.41 | pingouin1 | what the NMI is ? |
| 17:51.52 | Bushmills | non maskable interrupt |
| 17:52.07 | pingouin1 | thanks |
| 17:52.18 | Bushmills | pingouin apt-get install dict |
| 17:52.29 | V4Nelle | abrotman: no....everything works fine.....i read on google that and other laptops have the same problem because of atheros....but i have iwl3945 |
| 17:52.53 | abrotman | V4Nelle: TBH .. if it works .. i wouldn't muck with it |
| 17:53.44 | V4Nelle | abrotman: i have se that on boot i get a message (PCI:cannot allocate region 7)...it could be the same problem? |
| 17:53.53 | abrotman | no idea |
| 17:54.09 | abrotman | V4Nelle: you can ask #kernel here, or #kernelnewbies or #debian-kernel on OFTC |
| 17:54.15 | V4Nelle | ok man..........thanx :) |
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| 18:03.23 | \3TATUK | How can I recreate a local trace on my system similar to this PHP?...: http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/dnstrace.php?domain=freedns.afraid.org |
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| 18:05.19 | Eulex | \3TATUK, "Executing trace on freedns.afraid.org using dnstracer" |
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| 18:05.50 | Tyrant91101 | Anyone know how I can make execution of SH point to ksh instead? |
| 18:06.00 | Tyrant91101 | so that sh script.sh works as ksh script.sh ? |
| 18:06.19 | Eulex | \3TATUK, hint: it's in debian :) |
| 18:06.23 | abrotman | you can change the shebang at the top |
| 18:06.32 | \3TATUK | Eulex: thanks |
| 18:06.53 | h4L1m | hey guys, i've got a problem with my etch on my notebook, i forgott to install the notebook tools during the installation, now my cpu is allways running with 1800 mhz and it reaches allways more than 85°C, can someone tell me what i've to do to get everything to work? |
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| 18:07.01 | h4L1m | normally my cpu runs with 800mhz |
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| 18:07.27 | |Ryan52 | h4L1m: sudo tasksel install laptop |
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| 18:07.46 | Tyrant91101 | abrotman, shebang? |
| 18:07.52 | jelly | #! |
| 18:08.01 | |Ryan52 | Tyrant91101: at the top it says "#!/bin/sh"...change it |
| 18:08.10 | h4L1m | |Ryan52, thank you a lot :) |
| 18:08.20 | |Ryan52 | Tyrant91101: (or, it should have it. If not, add it) |
| 18:08.33 | Tyrant91101 | change it to ksh? |
| 18:08.55 | |Ryan52 | Tyrant91101: whatever 'which ksh' gives you |
| 18:09.02 | Tyrant91101 | kk ty |
| 18:09.10 | |Ryan52 | (that tells you where ksh lives) |
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| 18:11.15 | Jemt | Is it possible to turn on/off my Wireless Network Adapter using a console/terminal? My shortcut key dosn't work |
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| 18:12.34 | h4L1m | and there is another problem with sound, everytime when i turn my notebook on i have to write in the terminal sudo alsaconf and change the config |
| 18:12.50 | h4L1m | how can i solve this problem |
| 18:12.57 | h4L1m | ? |
| 18:13.26 | |Ryan52 | h4L1m: what module does it says its probing...maybe try adding that to /etc/modules? |
| 18:13.42 | hoxu | h4L1m, are you using gnome/kde, did you make sure the sound daemon is stopped? |
| 18:14.00 | hoxu | h4L1m, alsaconf kills apps using sound, which might explain why it starts working after you run it |
| 18:14.24 | h4L1m | i have to do the config everytime when i turn it on |
| 18:14.26 | hoxu | h4L1m, check whether esd or arts is running |
| 18:14.35 | h4L1m | and i can't here anything before doing that |
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| 18:14.51 | hoxu | h4L1m, answer my question please |
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| 18:15.29 | h4L1m | my sound daemon is running from system start |
| 18:15.33 | h4L1m | normally |
| 18:15.56 | Ezep | Hello people, is here any web designer of debian.org? |
| 18:16.20 | Ezep | I want to talk with him, because I have a great idea for the web |
| 18:16.30 | |Ryan52 | Ezep: #debian-www on irc.oftc.net |
| 18:16.36 | hoxu | h4L1m, so try killing it next time, and see whether sound works after that |
| 18:16.56 | Ezep | Thanks Mr. |Ryan52 |
| 18:17.07 | h4L1m | how can i kill it? |
| 18:17.13 | Ezep | Bye people, and keep using debian :) |
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| 18:19.23 | h4L1m | |Ryan52, "sudo tasksel install laptop", seems like the installation of the packages stuck at 100% |
| 18:19.32 | h4L1m | the last thing it says is |
| 18:19.35 | h4L1m | hibernate installed |
| 18:19.38 | h4L1m | that's it |
| 18:20.05 | hoxu | h4L1m, you still didn't tell us what your desktop environment is... you can usually disable it from the config or "ps aux |grep -i 'esd|arts'" and kill that |
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| 18:20.19 | h4L1m | i'm using gnome |
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| 18:21.51 | danners | hey i have a problem with lenny and mpd when i try to run it, it says it cannot bind to a port, I tried different ports but no port works, what could cause that? |
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| 18:23.25 | hoxu | danners, what ports are you trying, and as a normal user or root? |
| 18:23.38 | jberg | hmm, is it smart to have a /boot partition? i only have a / and /home partition.. |
| 18:23.39 | |Ryan52 | h4L1m: tasksel's percentages aren't the greatest...I think that's normal. |
| 18:24.09 | |Ryan52 | jberg: only if your hardware requires it. (some need the /boot partition to be under a certain size) |
| 18:24.18 | h4L1m | |Ryan52, ok but it's on 100% for more than 5 minutes, i don't think that it takes so long, or does it? |
| 18:24.23 | danners | hoxu: tried several normally unused ports in the range of 60-6000, as root aswell as normal user |
| 18:24.59 | jberg | |Ryan52: oh ok |
| 18:25.09 | Ogedei | hmf, I've had it with acroread... are there any oss readers more pleasant than xpdf nowadays? |
| 18:25.38 | |Ryan52 | sudo tail /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 18:25.47 | |Ryan52 | h4L1m: ^^pastebin |
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| 18:26.43 | hoxu | danners, the low ports (1-1024) are reserved for root, you can't use those as regular user... you could show us whatever messages you get when you try to start it at a high port |
| 18:26.44 | drac | Ogedei: epdfview (gtk+), evince (gnomish), okular (kde4) |
| 18:26.54 | Ogedei | drac: thanks! |
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| 18:27.11 | h4L1m | |Ryan52, http://pastebin.com/d56d41489 <- it does not really look good |
| 18:27.15 | h4L1m | :) |
| 18:27.19 | h4L1m | it's in german |
| 18:27.28 | h4L1m | it just says hibernate installed |
| 18:27.32 | danners | hoxu: maybe it has something to do with selinux, i has a problem with a different program somw while ago, which too tried to bind to a port and someone on irc said to me selinux could be the cause... but i removed it with aptitude... |
| 18:27.36 | h4L1m | headline is package configuration |
| 18:28.18 | hoxu | danners, sounds reasonable |
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| 18:28.47 | |Ryan52 | h4L1m: Does it say the 'Setting up xxxxxx's and 'Log ended'? |
| 18:28.51 | danners | do you know how i can completely remove it so it won't get in my way anymore? |
| 18:29.30 | h4L1m | |Ryan52, it saying just hibernate installed |
| 18:29.34 | h4L1m | at 100% |
| 18:29.39 | h4L1m | so i think that it's ready |
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| 18:32.22 | |Ryan52 | h4L1m: kill it (CTRL-C), I guess...but afterwords do "apt-get install -f" to make sure everything is fully installed. |
| 18:32.33 | h4L1m | ok |
| 18:32.40 | h4L1m | thank you :) |
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| 18:33.31 | h4L1m | ok |
| 18:33.37 | h4L1m | i'm doing a restart now |
| 18:33.44 | h4L1m | thank you guys a lot :D |
| 18:33.45 | danners | so has anyone a idea of how to get selinux completely removed from my system, i already aptitude purged it, but it still seems to work... |
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| 18:33.53 | h4L1m | and have a nice day :) |
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| 18:43.06 | danners | okay i didn't remove selinux because other packages need it but now i found the settings for it and disabled it how can i reload it? |
| 18:43.25 | hoxu | danners, http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 18:43.37 | danners | hoxu: thanks |
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| 18:43.52 | hoxu | dunno if that helps... |
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| 18:47.53 | wolever | I'm having some trouble with exim4. It seems that the procmail router comes before the local user router, so _all_ mail to local users is delivered with procmail (which is putting it in /var/spool/ instead of ~/Maildir/, which I've set with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config). Any hints what might be wrong? |
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| 18:48.56 | peleg | I can't find a way to update the server's timezone... I mean, I want to make the server believe that it is in a different timezone, but still know the time exactly |
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| 18:49.24 | hoxu | !tzconfig |
| 18:49.25 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 18:49.35 | Jemt | How do I turn on my Wireless Network Adapter using a Shell Script ? |
| 18:50.00 | Eulex | Jemt, I believe that would be very hardware specific. |
| 18:50.04 | petemc | wolever: how did you come to that conclusion? |
| 18:50.23 | Jemt | Eulex: I think it is possible to write a 0 or a 1 to a file in /proc somewhere |
| 18:50.43 | Eulex | Jemt, which file, if any, is hardware-specific. |
| 18:51.39 | Eulex | Jemt, if the wlan switch doesn't work in linux, take a look in your bios to see whether you can turn it on there |
| 18:51.41 | wolever | petemc: Which conclusion? That procmail is delivering the mail? By using `exim4 -v me@localhost`. Also, in /etc/exim4/conf.d/routers, it's numbered 700, local_user is 900, and they both have the same message tests.. |
| 18:51.53 | wolever | (as in, they both accept the same messages) |
| 18:51.57 | g00se | Eulex: ifup? |
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| 18:52.23 | g00se | Jemt: ifup? (sorry Eulex) |
| 18:52.27 | jberg | what could be the reason the debian installer fails on network configuration? maybe it doesnt have the driver for the network card in the motherboard? |
| 18:52.34 | petemc | wolever: that should just check for a ~/.procmailrc tho, do all your users have one? |
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| 18:52.48 | Eulex | g00se, well, if the only problem is the wlan device not brought up... |
| 18:52.50 | Jemt | Eulex: Okay, thanks |
| 18:53.05 | petemc | wolever: use exim4 -d -bt foo@bar to test how an address is handled |
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| 18:53.17 | Jemt | g00se: I need to turn it on, not just enable it ;) |
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| 18:53.33 | wolever | petemc: Ah, yes, I do. I commented everything out long ago (as in, my old server long ago)... Must have forgotten about it. Thanks :) |
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| 18:53.59 | g00se | Eulex: didn't know what 'turn on' means |
| 18:54.20 | wolever | petemc: Bingo, that did it. Wonderful. Thanks for your help :) |
| 18:54.25 | petemc | np |
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| 18:54.52 | Eulex | g00se, np, I saw an earlier question by him |
| 18:55.19 | sessaid | How do I search package descriptions using keywords with AND/OR or regex using the aptitude GUI? |
| 18:56.18 | tralala | sessaid, ~dregex. Install and read aptitude-doc |
| 18:56.41 | sessaid | tralala: thanks |
| 18:56.42 | mutante | sessaid: aptitude search - "Search for a package by name and/or expression" |
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| 18:56.50 | tralala | sessaid, you're welcome |
| 18:57.10 | sessaid | mutante: thank you too |
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| 18:59.20 | peleg | hoxu: thanks! |
| 19:00.32 | sessaid | Another question. What would you recommend for hard disk (hardware) and filesystem health monitoring that add as a daily cron job? |
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| 19:01.08 | sessaid | ...... that I can add as ..... |
| 19:01.44 | sessaid | With email notification |
| 19:01.53 | tralala | raid mirror + regular backups and you don't need health monitoring |
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| 19:02.01 | broadcaster | hmm, i just installed debian testing with gurb, the xen-hypervisor, xen-kernel and xen-tools, nur update-grub does NOT find the xen-hypervisor and add it to menu.lst. why? |
| 19:02.21 | broadcaster | s/nur/but |
| 19:02.30 | broadcaster | s/gurb/grub |
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| 19:02.47 | tralala | because it's not a kernel? I think you need a xen-dom0 kernel |
| 19:03.04 | broadcaster | i have a xen-dom0-kernel |
| 19:03.12 | broadcaster | and i have a hypervisor |
| 19:03.17 | sessaid | tralala: I have a low end public server to which I want to add some monitoring. |
| 19:03.26 | sessaid | tralala: no raid available. |
| 19:03.27 | broadcaster | usually, grub detects the hypervisor image |
| 19:03.39 | broadcaster | /boot/xen-3.2.1-i386.gz |
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| 19:04.54 | sessaid | tralala: I do backups but they are not frequent enough. Once, I noticed read errors on a server at home by looking through logs for another reason and I want to be aware of these issues sooner. |
| 19:06.14 | tralala | sessaid, you should do frequent backups. I've never used monitoring software, but 'smart' could possibly help |
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| 19:08.20 | sessaid | tralala:That's what I was looking for. |
| 19:08.41 | tralala | sessaid, I hope it will work for you. |
| 19:08.50 | aplsin | cptjane: what about cheese? |
| 19:08.51 | cptjane | aplsin: Cheese food. It's not real cheese, it's fake cheese. |
| 19:09.14 | sessaid | tralala: I am installing it. It is at least more than what I am doing right now. :-) |
| 19:09.28 | anddam | cptjane: is there any non-food cheese? |
| 19:09.29 | cptjane | anddam: The cheese is a member of the category food. |
| 19:09.37 | anddam | ah bott-ish |
| 19:09.50 | tralala | cptjane, info |
| 19:09.51 | cptjane | tralala: You'll find my name in this and my gmc number, and other misc info such as degrees and so forth. |
| 19:10.16 | cptjane | tralala: info? |
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| 19:10.25 | abrotman | ot? |
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| 19:12.05 | jberg | the network config failed in the installer, any ideas how i can set it up from debian? |
| 19:12.56 | broadcaster | jberg: what failed exactly? |
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| 19:13.13 | jberg | broadcaster: i dont know. it said dhcp could not be configured or something |
| 19:13.18 | tralala | jberg, man interfaces |
| 19:13.21 | jberg | but it didnt say much more |
| 19:13.21 | Bushmills | does WAFL file system on RAID6 make any sense? |
| 19:13.26 | jberg | tralala: ok |
| 19:14.15 | broadcaster | jberg: if dhcp does not work, it probably means, there is no dhcp server on your network |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | Bushmills: only if you use SYRP |
| 19:14.33 | broadcaster | jberg: so, configure the device manually, editing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:14.42 | broadcaster | or temporarily with ifconfig |
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| 19:15.57 | Bushmills | abrotman: no idea what that is, and i don't find a lot of references to it |
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| 19:16.30 | abrotman | Bushmills: gotta have WAFL and SYRP |
| 19:16.36 | tralala | dpkg, syrp |
| 19:16.37 | dpkg | tralala: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 19:16.49 | Bushmills | googling wafl syrp gives 196 hits |
| 19:16.56 | jberg | broadcaster: there is. i have a router and it has worked when i installed debian before. i dont really understand why its not working now. but there are no lights flashing in the ethernet card when i plug in a network cable which i think it should be |
| 19:17.08 | abrotman | prefers EGGS though |
| 19:17.11 | jberg | so i dont know if maybe the ethernet card in the motherboard is broke or something |
| 19:17.26 | abrotman | wonders if the joke was really that bad |
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| 19:17.49 | Bushmills | ah |
| 19:17.52 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 19:18.05 | Bushmills | too focused ... |
| 19:18.21 | broadcaster | jberg: no lights = device not acrive |
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| 19:18.24 | broadcaster | or no connection |
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| 19:18.29 | Bushmills | IZCRM |
| 19:18.29 | broadcaster | cable broken |
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| 19:18.47 | jberg | broadcaster: hmm ok. if i twist and turn a little on the cable lights flash occasionally |
| 19:19.19 | tralala | jberg, the alternative approach would be to use a working cable |
| 19:19.38 | jberg | tralala: the cable works when i plug it into my laptop |
| 19:19.41 | mslot | To "upgrade" from stable to testing, the only thing I have to do, isnt that just changing my source.list, overwriting etch with testing? |
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| 19:19.59 | jberg | and i bought the motherboard yesterday, so that shouldnt be broke i hope |
| 19:20.02 | abrotman | !tell mslot about etch->lenny |
| 19:20.03 | tralala | mslot, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:20.10 | jberg | bah, this sucks |
| 19:20.10 | broadcaster | mslot: yes |
| 19:20.13 | tralala | half a sec too slow... |
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| 19:20.40 | Bushmills | dpkg, SYRP is a high viscosity substance abrotman needs with WAFL and RAID6 |
| 19:20.40 | dpkg | Bushmills: okay |
| 19:20.56 | tralala | my mirc skillz are decreasing |
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| 19:22.06 | jberg | but if i get the network card to work, can i run the same dhcp config tool that debian installer uses? |
| 19:22.19 | tralala | jberg, maybe the nic socket is problematic. Don't you have another cable to try? |
| 19:22.27 | Bushmills | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_Anywhere_File_Layout |
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| 19:23.02 | jberg | tralala: hmm yes, ill try another one |
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| 19:24.16 | Bushmills | says somewhere that it leans heavily on RAID-4 |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | Bushmills: that article kind of sucks and doesn't say jack about data integrity/replication |
| 19:25.24 | sandman | Can WINE be used with 64-bit win32 executables? |
| 19:25.43 | wols_ | sandman: no |
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| 19:26.07 | the_sniff | hey |
| 19:26.20 | Bushmills | abrotman: meant to give you the gist, not the specs |
| 19:26.25 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:27.06 | the_sniff | do i only need the /boot dir to boot linux? |
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| 19:27.10 | the_sniff | or the whole / ? |
| 19:27.23 | tralala | the_sniff, /boot with initrd |
| 19:27.23 | the_sniff | i want to do software raid and lilo/grub can only do RAID1 |
| 19:27.25 | sandman | Does Debian ever freeze the Sid/Testing distribution? |
| 19:27.34 | sandman | distributions*, like in the midst of a new release? |
| 19:27.40 | the_sniff | tralala i dont really get the concept behind initrd |
| 19:27.53 | abrotman | sandman: testing gets "frozen" before it is released as stable .. |
| 19:28.03 | sandman | But not Sid |
| 19:28.27 | abrotman | it sometimes happens as a side-effect that it slows down .. but it's not supposed to 'freeze' IIRC |
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| 19:28.30 | sandman | Is a snapshot of testing actually taken, then moved to a new-stable temporary distribution or something? |
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| 19:28.48 | abrotman | not a snapshot per se .. |
| 19:28.59 | sandman | Alright, just wondering. |
| 19:29.07 | valdyn | the_sniff: the point of the initrd is getting /usr/ up |
| 19:29.24 | the_sniff | linux needs /boot and /usr to boot? |
| 19:29.24 | abrotman | sandman: testing gets frozen .. bugs fixed .. then it is released |
| 19:29.26 | abrotman | !releases |
| 19:29.27 | dpkg | i heard releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 19:29.37 | valdyn | the_sniff: ops |
| 19:29.42 | abrotman | /bin/ ? |
| 19:29.43 | valdyn | the_sniff: not /usr, i mean /lib |
| 19:29.47 | the_sniff | oh |
| 19:30.21 | the_sniff | well is that all it needs to load? |
| 19:30.24 | the_sniff | to boot |
| 19:30.36 | valdyn | the_sniff: no |
| 19:30.38 | tralala | the_sniff, initrd gives basic drivers to linux in order to boot the rootfs |
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| 19:32.14 | the_sniff | can anyone give me a link to simplify the initrd process? (i dont want to see how to do it i wanna know how it works) |
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| 19:32.30 | rmop | good night |
| 19:32.32 | the_sniff | where do the initrd stay? in the /boot partition? |
| 19:32.35 | valdyn | the_sniff: its probably alot more simple than you think |
| 19:32.59 | the_sniff | valdyn i just want something like 1. get into /boot 2. load /boot/initrd |
| 19:33.13 | tralala | the_sniff, yes, in /boot. Debian will configure initrd for you. Just put a separate /boot partition |
| 19:33.16 | valdyn | the_sniff: /boot/initrd is loaded by the boot manager |
| 19:33.34 | valdyn | the_sniff: like grub |
| 19:33.45 | the_sniff | can i put /boot on a raid1 partition outside the /? |
| 19:34.18 | valdyn | the_sniff: grub cant boot raids EXCEPT |
| 19:34.40 | valdyn | the_sniff: a raid1 looks just like a 2 common disks to grub |
| 19:34.40 | the_sniff | EXCEPT? |
| 19:34.58 | valdyn | the_sniff: so grub doesnt really know about raid1 because it does not need to |
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| 19:35.12 | the_sniff | so if i want grub and software raid i have to use a regular partition for /boot? |
| 19:35.18 | the_sniff | wait |
| 19:35.35 | the_sniff | so how does a software raid1 get loaded so that grub could be loaded out of it? |
| 19:35.54 | valdyn | the_sniff: again: a raid1 is jsut 1 common disks with 2 times the same common content |
| 19:36.01 | the_sniff | i know |
| 19:36.04 | the_sniff | but if its software |
| 19:36.05 | valdyn | the_sniff: each mirror contains the same complete data... |
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| 19:36.09 | the_sniff | it's loaded after the boot sequence |
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| 19:36.41 | valdyn | the_sniff: grub is not involved in using or starting the raid, that is done from and by initrd |
| 19:36.45 | tralala | the_sniff, it will be easier to play around with it for a while. You'll get the grasp. |
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| 19:37.22 | the_sniff | problem is im trying to install a backup server with 300GB disks and it's waisting my time(playing with it is slow) |
| 19:37.35 | the_sniff | so wait |
| 19:37.37 | the_sniff | i dont get it |
| 19:37.45 | the_sniff | how is the initrd loaded if not by the boot loader? |
| 19:37.48 | valdyn | the_sniff: why would those disks be slow for this? |
| 19:37.59 | valdyn | the_sniff: are you ware that raids dont need to span whole disks? |
| 19:38.04 | the_sniff | valdyn: i've no idea but formatting takes like 5-10 minutes |
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| 19:38.06 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: the only special bit about software raid1 is the fact that the data gets copied to both disks |
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| 19:38.19 | valdyn | the_sniff: umm, you dont need to format anything |
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| 19:38.30 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: both disks have exactly the same data, so grub can read either disk and load the initrd and kernel from them. |
| 19:38.37 | the_sniff | valdyn: i know i was just giving an example on how slow it is |
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| 19:38.55 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: oh! that's what i was missing lol! |
| 19:38.55 | the_sniff | didn't think of that |
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| 19:39.25 | the_sniff | now i see why it must have RAID1 ;p |
| 19:39.38 | the_sniff | thanks man u rock for getting what i didn't understand |
| 19:39.41 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: anything besides raid1 doesn't have this property [including lvm] |
| 19:40.29 | the_sniff | so for lvm you must have a non-lvm parition? |
| 19:40.35 | dondelelcaro | (though it *would* be possible to write a bootloader that understood lvm and other types of raid, it'd be pretty fragile (and it's not like a 50M boot partition raid1'ed across all disks is difficult)) |
| 19:40.40 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: right |
| 19:40.50 | valdyn | grub2 does this, or tries to |
| 19:41.06 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: can i have a parition for only /boot? |
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| 19:41.14 | the_sniff | i want it to be RAID1 /boot |
| 19:41.14 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: yes; that's actually what I suggest |
| 19:41.16 | the_sniff | and RAID5 / |
| 19:41.28 | the_sniff | cause i saw some howto and it didnt have that |
| 19:41.40 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: my machines with many disks all have a single /boot which is mirrored across all of the drives |
| 19:41.42 | the_sniff | btw i did that the last time i tried and i got the grub CMD instead of linux :p |
| 19:41.44 | tralala | I have an lvm mirror and I didn't bother with fancy stuff - I've just put /boot outside |
| 19:41.58 | the_sniff | why did i get that? |
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| 19:42.12 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: because you didn't have a menu.lst, generally. |
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| 19:42.27 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, one that grub could find) |
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| 19:43.22 | the_sniff | okay, so, 1st, why did i not have it? (it was a fresh install) |
| 19:43.27 | the_sniff | and how do i fix something like that? |
| 19:43.36 | the_sniff | the setup was RAID1 /boot and RAID5 / |
| 19:43.43 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: hard to say; you just run update-grub |
| 19:43.54 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: assuming grub was installed correctly, of course. |
| 19:43.57 | chandoo | hi :) |
| 19:43.58 | the_sniff | inside the grub cmd? |
| 19:44.04 | jberg | hmm, my motherboard uses Realtek RTL8111B as ethernet card. could it be that testing doesn't have any drivers for it? i tried the network cable on another pc and it worked, so either the ethernet card is fucked or i dont know.. |
| 19:44.11 | chandoo | i am new to debian, just now thinking of installing debian |
| 19:44.24 | streuner | jberg: do you have another NIC handy? |
| 19:44.31 | Bushmills | hm. importing 1000 gpg keys in one step demands too much of my system :( 1 gig swap + 1 gig RAM exhausted. grinding to halt. |
| 19:44.36 | chandoo | i was fedora before, can i compile code same way in debian like in fedora |
| 19:44.47 | jberg | streuner: what is NIC? |
| 19:44.48 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: no, there you use root (blah); kernel blah blah; initrd blah; boot; |
| 19:44.52 | dondelelcaro | chandoo: yes. |
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| 19:45.05 | streuner | !+tell jberg -about nic |
| 19:45.05 | dpkg | told jberg about nic. |
| 19:45.05 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: shouldn't be that huge of a deal |
| 19:45.22 | jberg | streuner: oh, no i dont think so |
| 19:45.38 | Bushmills | took about .. 2 hours.. and completely unresponsive at the end - just a few moments ago |
| 19:45.39 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: i did that and i only had /lost+found and /boot/ |
| 19:45.39 | chandoo | dondelelcaro: i always install fedora from network , while booting installation from thumb drive, can i do the same without wasting cd's |
| 19:45.51 | Nyle | chandoo, absolutely |
| 19:45.52 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro rest of the partitions had nothing, maybe cause they were RAID5? |
| 19:45.53 | dondelelcaro | chandoo: yes. |
| 19:46.03 | Nyle | chandoo, please read /msg dpkg ig |
| 19:46.04 | streuner | jberg: did the kernel find your NIC? |
| 19:46.06 | the_sniff | i tried to load the kernel and it failed |
| 19:46.07 | chandoo | dondelelcaro: recommend the best way to do |
| 19:46.14 | Nyle | sections 3-5 are of the most interest to you |
| 19:46.16 | dondelelcaro | chandoo: I recommend that you read the installation guide |
| 19:46.18 | jberg | streuner: how can i check that? |
| 19:46.32 | streuner | jberg: well, dmesg would tell you |
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| 19:46.46 | jberg | streuner: ok.. should i look for realtek something? |
| 19:46.47 | Tyrant91101 | does anyone know how to change the output of uname -r? |
| 19:46.56 | streuner | jberg: eth0 or something like that |
| 19:47.05 | jberg | streuner: ok will look |
| 19:47.17 | streuner | [ 2.564770] eth0: VIA Rhine II at 0x1e800, 00:0d:87:a8:6b:5b, IRQ 11. |
| 19:47.20 | Tyrant91101 | my kernel is called something really stupid because of OpenVZ virtualization and it doesnt match kernel checks of some instalation scripts |
| 19:47.32 | streuner | [ 16.980559] eth0: link up, 10Mbps, half-duplex, lpa 0x0021 |
| 19:47.35 | Nyle | chandoo, basically you get a couple MB worth ramdisk image, and a meg or so of a kernel, which is netboot. you can use grub or lilo to boot that kernel and initrd, which will then fetch the debian installer and start the installation process which will then download the base sytem and so forth |
| 19:47.37 | psychonate | change the checks? |
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| 19:47.43 | streuner | jberg: something like that ^^^ |
| 19:47.44 | Nyle | chandoo, its all in the installation manual |
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| 19:48.02 | chandoo | is 64 bit stable yet in debian, i also have 6600gt nvidia cards, can i install nvidia prop drivers in debian |
| 19:48.19 | Nyle | chandoo, in my honest opinion/experience it depends |
| 19:48.33 | Zenox | Is there any nice 2+ SATAII-disk NAS that Debian could run on? |
| 19:48.42 | Eulex | chandoo, is this a desktop? how much ram do you have? |
| 19:49.01 | chandoo | Nyle: i also use grub to start net installation in fedora, can i get all required files in netinst.iso? |
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| 19:49.16 | jberg | streuner: r8169 eth0 link down |
| 19:49.19 | Nyle | chandoo, amd64/etch at 3.5GHz on my C2D chip is horribly unstable, while at 1.8GHz it is fine/stable. amd64/sid is perfectly stable at both clock speeds, regarless of overclocking. |
| 19:49.26 | Nyle | this is in my case |
| 19:49.31 | chandoo | Eulex: 3gb ram, two nvidia 6600gt hdd, with asus A8N sli-delux mobo |
| 19:49.40 | Nyle | I still have not been able to figure out why OC on etch amd64 makes it unstable but not on sid |
| 19:49.43 | chandoo | 3500+ amd processor |
| 19:49.47 | Nyle | no |
| 19:49.50 | Nyle | 3.5ghz core 2 |
| 19:49.57 | wols_ | streuner: you running ubuntu? |
| 19:49.58 | Nyle | e6300 1866mhz stock |
| 19:50.14 | chandoo | 2.2ghz single core |
| 19:50.18 | streuner | wols_: sure :-)) |
| 19:50.18 | the_sniff | dondelelcaro: big thanks again |
| 19:50.25 | dondelelcaro | the_sniff: np |
| 19:50.27 | Eulex | chandoo, I assume that would be used as a desktop system. I would recommend using debian i386 if you don't want to mess around with a 32-bit browser to use java applets and flash |
| 19:50.27 | Nyle | dons da man |
| 19:50.28 | wols_ | !twap streuner |
| 19:50.34 | wols_ | !thwap streuner |
| 19:50.34 | dpkg | dons the nun outfit and beats streuner over the knuckles with a ruler |
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| 19:50.38 | streuner | wols_: what the fuck are you talking about? |
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| 19:50.48 | Nyle | whosh streuner can curse!? |
| 19:50.50 | Nyle | damn. |
| 19:50.55 | chandoo | Eulex: i got it, i have same issues in fedora too |
| 19:51.02 | wols_ | streuner: for running ubuntu |
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| 19:51.23 | streuner | Nyle: wols_ is a little bit sick, thinking that iam running *bunt* |
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| 19:51.44 | jberg | streuner: it said r8169 eth0 link down, so does that mean it has drivers for the card but the card is broken? |
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| 19:51.51 | Nyle | streuner, he must have taken some acid |
| 19:51.53 | Nyle | or shrooms |
| 19:52.00 | wols_ | < streuner> [ 2.564770] eth0: |
| 19:52.00 | streuner | prolly :-) |
| 19:52.05 | streuner | and? |
| 19:52.07 | Nyle | I for one refuse to believe you would EVER use ubuntu |
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| 19:52.11 | Nyle | as much as I know you anyway |
| 19:52.19 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.25-2-686 (Debian 2.6.25-3) (maks@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080420 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-22)) #1 SMP Wed May 14 16:42:03 UTC 2008 |
| 19:52.21 | holycow | bah, how do i find out on what /dev/hdx my cdrom is at? |
| 19:52.30 | Nyle | holycow, easy |
| 19:52.36 | chandoo | can i also access ntfs and fat32 partitions from debian? |
| 19:52.37 | Nyle | holycow, ls /dev/cdrom |
| 19:52.38 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:52.41 | Nyle | er.. |
| 19:52.43 | streuner | wols_: looks like *bunt*? |
| 19:52.44 | Nyle | ls -l |
| 19:52.45 | valdyn | chandoo: yes |
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| 19:52.54 | chandoo | is 50GB sufficent to install everything under the sun :-) |
| 19:52.59 | wols_ | streuner: the syslog output does |
| 19:53.01 | valdyn | chandoo: no |
| 19:53.07 | Nyle | holycow, ls -l /dev/cdrom should poit to the real location fo the device node |
| 19:53.12 | chandoo | how big then? |
| 19:53.24 | valdyn | chandoo: you dont need everything under the sun ever |
| 19:53.25 | streuner | wols_: no, that's the new output of the official debian 2.6.25 kernel :-) |
| 19:53.32 | holycow | danke |
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| 19:53.48 | streuner | jberg: is the route ok? |
| 19:53.50 | Bushmills | chandoo: apt-get install internet *** error: insufficient disk space *** |
| 19:53.52 | chandoo | valdyn: i mostly play with video editing, and learning |
| 19:53.59 | Nyle | internet |
| 19:54.05 | valdyn | chandoo: i cant tell you how much space your videos will take |
| 19:54.05 | jberg | streuner: the route? |
| 19:54.09 | chandoo | Bushmills: lol :-) |
| 19:54.21 | Nyle | maybe like in 1994 with a massive ATM backbone y ou could have downloaded the entire internet in about a month |
| 19:54.25 | Nyle | not anymore |
| 19:54.33 | streuner | jberg: yes, just run "route -n" |
| 19:54.47 | chandoo | valdyn: i never store videos on os disks , i have 750gb for videos and 120 gb for storing temp files |
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| 19:55.06 | Nyle | chandoo, what kinda videos ya got |
| 19:55.08 | streuner | jberg: what happens if you run "ifup -a" ? |
| 19:55.09 | valdyn | chandoo: 20G is more than most people ever need for the debian system itself |
| 19:55.11 | Nyle | hawt prawn? |
| 19:55.28 | jberg | streuner: nothing |
| 19:55.30 | chandoo | Nyle: my home videos, of my baby mostly |
| 19:55.43 | chandoo | okay |
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| 19:55.53 | Nyle | chandoo, hmm you dont' bore people with them do ya ;) |
| 19:56.03 | wols_ | wtf did they change to that? |
| 19:56.03 | Nyle | j/k |
| 19:56.18 | chandoo | Nyle: nah |
| 19:56.41 | chandoo | most of them are short with 1080i/p |
| 19:56.42 | psychonate | does debian--or any other distro for that matter--support ZFS on the boot partition? |
| 19:56.49 | chandoo | so it takes big space |
| 19:56.51 | valdyn | psychonate: no |
| 19:57.01 | Nyle | !zfs |
| 19:57.01 | dpkg | zfs is probably http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 19:57.10 | Nyle | *click* |
| 19:57.13 | Zenox | !nfs |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
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| 19:57.45 | streuner | jberg: modprobe r8169 |
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| 19:58.16 | jberg | streuner: ok done |
| 19:58.40 | streuner | jberg: what does /var/log/syslog or/and /var/log/messages say about? |
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| 19:59.34 | streuner | jberg: or dmesg, it should tell you that the NIC are ready to use |
| 19:59.52 | streuner | s/are/is/ |
| 20:00.19 | jberg | streuner: it says r8169 eth0 link down |
| 20:00.25 | jberg | both of them |
| 20:00.44 | streuner | oh both? |
| 20:00.57 | jberg | syslog and messages |
| 20:01.03 | streuner | ah, ok |
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| 20:01.12 | streuner | jberg: well, we need the chipset then |
| 20:01.26 | jberg | 8111b i think |
| 20:01.55 | chandoo | getting i386NetInstall.iso |
| 20:02.11 | Nyle | chandoo, which os you currently have? |
| 20:02.18 | chandoo | fedora |
| 20:02.21 | Nyle | if you don't want to waste a cd |
| 20:02.31 | Nyle | get a hd-media installer kernel/initrd |
| 20:02.41 | Nyle | it will find the netinst iso and make isntallation go quicker |
| 20:02.41 | chandoo | Nyle: i havent used cd in many years for installation |
| 20:02.43 | Nyle | if ya want |
| 20:03.10 | chandoo | Nyle: let me search |
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| 20:03.14 | Bushmills | dondelelcaro: whatever happened with gpg, using up all mem, wasn't quite right - the trustdb was damaged, no keys were readable anymore because gpg kept checking the trustdb forever, using 100% cpu. just restored from nightly backup, i think i can trace it down to 1 out of 3 files which must have been responsable. |
| 20:03.23 | streuner | jberg: can you use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ ? |
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| 20:03.52 | chandoo | Nyle: why is there no speed info of mirrors |
| 20:04.02 | Bushmills | wonder whether i should try again, and monitor a bit better what is happening. |
| 20:04.03 | chandoo | Nyle: i am at this link ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/ |
| 20:04.03 | Nyle | because they are all fast + awesome |
| 20:04.08 | jberg | streuner: lspci command not found |
| 20:04.18 | chandoo | which directory has it |
| 20:04.26 | streuner | jberg: do you have a live-CD handy (grml or knoppix)? |
| 20:04.27 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 20:04.28 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 20:04.45 | jberg | streuner: no |
| 20:05.12 | Nyle | chandoo, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 20:05.13 | streuner | jberg: what kind of debian-installer is that? |
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| 20:05.27 | Nyle | chandoo, you can find the stuff on any mirror under that path |
| 20:05.33 | jberg | streuner: i used netinst for testing |
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| 20:05.45 | streuner | jberg: exact URL? |
| 20:06.19 | chandoo | Nyle: is it sufficent just get initrd.gz and vmlinuz and boot from grub? |
| 20:06.19 | Nyle | chandoo, don't forget to read the install guide (as recommeded by me and another) |
| 20:06.19 | jberg | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:06.30 | Nyle | chandoo, read the install guide, please |
| 20:06.34 | chandoo | ok |
| 20:06.38 | streuner | jberg: use packages.debian.org/pciutils in order to get the deb for lspci |
| 20:06.52 | Nyle | chandoo, especially chapters 3-5 |
| 20:07.04 | jberg | well i cant connect to the internet.. |
| 20:07.10 | jberg | or should i burn it on cd? |
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| 20:07.28 | streuner | CDRW or whatever |
| 20:07.39 | broken_quiche | hello - I'm trying to a proprietary drivers for an nvidia 7300 working but failed with the graphics libraries. |
| 20:07.41 | streuner | you're already in i-net |
| 20:07.44 | broken_quiche | Here is the output I got. |
| 20:07.54 | jberg | streuner: i dont have a cdr now sorry :X |
| 20:07.56 | Nyle | streuner, am I on the internet right now? |
| 20:08.05 | streuner | Nyle: no :-P |
| 20:08.05 | Nyle | i can't tell... |
| 20:08.07 | Nyle | :D |
| 20:08.42 | Nyle | broken_quiche, do not use the nvidia installer. |
| 20:08.59 | Nyle | broken_quiche, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 20:09.24 | broken_quiche | http://pastebin.com/m4ca7f55f |
| 20:09.26 | Nyle | other than that, pastebin yoru out put |
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| 20:10.22 | Nyle | nvidia may be having issues in lenny atm |
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| 20:10.27 | Nyle | I am an ATI user |
| 20:10.33 | emma | I am also. |
| 20:10.52 | emma | Which company seems more Linux friendly: ATi or Nvidia? |
| 20:10.54 | Nyle | apparantly nvidia-glx is not present |
| 20:10.57 | Nyle | emma, intel. |
| 20:11.23 | emma | I don't think intel makes ATi or Nvidia |
| 20:11.28 | abrotman | neither |
| 20:11.33 | Nyle | then the answer is neither. |
| 20:11.40 | emma | I have an ATi card in my AMD Athlon machine |
| 20:11.57 | emma | Which is more linux friendly AMD or intel? |
| 20:12.20 | Nyle | !polls |
| 20:12.20 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 20:12.26 | Nyle | or something |
| 20:12.45 | Bushmills | well, i think that's a legal question |
| 20:12.52 | Nyle | emma, no one is friendly, the world revolves around capitalism |
| 20:12.58 | Bushmills | though difficult to answer :) |
| 20:13.00 | Nyle | at least this world does |
| 20:13.58 | broken_quiche | I was trying to get a Nvidia driver working but encountered this problem: http://pastebin.com/d5eda838a - what can I do about this? Thanks in advance. |
| 20:14.00 | emma | by the way Nyle - I do have X but I do not use Y. |
| 20:14.07 | Nyle | emma, ahh |
| 20:14.12 | Nyle | emma, I actually a bit of both |
| 20:14.14 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:14.24 | Nyle | +use |
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| 20:14.33 | vKentucky | My dad upgraded his kernel to 2.6.25-2. Now he has no sound. This happened to me one, but I can't remember the solution. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 20:14.58 | emma | I have heard it said that the Lenovo T-series of Laptops might be the most Linux friendly laptop you can find. |
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| 20:15.19 | mohbana | hi |
| 20:15.20 | Nyle | lenovo? |
| 20:15.28 | emma | I am fully intending to buy one and soon. I just need to make an intelligent choice about getting the R-series (less expensive but apparently the same mobo) or the T-series. |
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| 20:15.53 | emma | Nyle - Used to be IBM |
| 20:15.57 | mohbana | hi does anyone know how to install a jre from sun which is not from the repo? i want to install jre6u10beta, i am using the .bin file |
| 20:16.01 | Nyle | ahh |
| 20:16.05 | Nyle | ibm is the shit |
| 20:16.11 | abrotman | emma: the parts inside matter more than the model |
| 20:16.17 | Nyle | mohbana, yes |
| 20:16.27 | mohbana | Nyle: how :) |
| 20:16.34 | Nyle | mohbana, use make-jpkg with the java jre .run/bin file you downloaded |
| 20:16.34 | emma | abrotman: Any recommendation then on the T or the R? |
| 20:16.37 | Nyle | !java package |
| 20:16.37 | dpkg | java-package is probably a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 20:16.37 | abrotman | !tell mohbana about java-package |
| 20:16.44 | abrotman | emma: i'd get one with intel parts myself |
| 20:16.48 | emma | abrotman: i'll get a link for you to look at. |
| 20:16.55 | abrotman | emma: i've looked at them |
| 20:17.23 | Bushmills | emma, i think to answer that, we must wait for intel to purchase nvidia, and see who comes up with public specs of the 3d video faster, amd with ati, or intel with nvidia. i think amd would win there. |
| 20:17.40 | Nyle | Bushmills, how long!!!! |
| 20:17.45 | Eulex | Bushmills, because they already have come with specs? ^^ |
| 20:17.48 | abrotman | at this point .. i'd say intel is far more friendly than ati/nvidia |
| 20:17.50 | Nyle | how must I suffer from this before its all open |
| 20:17.57 | emma | http://shop.lenovo.com/us/landing_pages/sales/ecoupon?cid=us|semd|ggl|us_thinkpad_ec_en|t11BF|s&&s_kwcid=lenovo%20thinkpad|1433253151 |
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| 20:18.10 | emma | abrotman: I want to figure out if I should get that R series one or the T series one |
| 20:18.15 | Bushmills | maybe s3 gets their stuff right soon, to add a bit of competition |
| 20:18.16 | mohbana | is the update-java-alternative only applicable to uubntu? |
| 20:18.18 | Nyle | Bushmills, but this is real though? does intel plan on buying out nvidia or what? |
| 20:18.25 | abrotman | emma: it didn't link me irght to it |
| 20:18.48 | abrotman | emma: but you have to look at actual parts |
| 20:19.06 | gaz | emma: check thinkwiki.org for the hardware specs |
| 20:19.22 | Bushmills | nyle, speculation. mine is that they'd like to counter amd's ati move, and their own controllers aren't good enough atm |
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| 20:19.36 | Nyle | Bushmills, makes sense |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | Bushmills: intel ? |
| 20:19.44 | Nyle | seems like a logical assumption |
| 20:19.48 | abrotman | oh .. s3? not likely |
| 20:19.53 | Nyle | will it ever happen, who sknows |
| 20:19.57 | Nyle | good speculation though |
| 20:20.06 | Bushmills | no. intel is probably more interested in nvidia |
| 20:20.16 | Bushmills | but nvida not that much in being sold out to intel |
| 20:20.21 | abrotman | rumor is intel is going to make discrete boards again |
| 20:20.37 | Nyle | time capsule |
| 20:20.47 | Nyle | 500 years from now. I'd like to see technology then |
| 20:20.57 | Bushmills | but s3 seems to come back to live too. their linux drivers still suck |
| 20:20.57 | Nyle | fucking short human lifespan |
| 20:20.59 | Nyle | pisses me off |
| 20:21.21 | emma | abrotman: here is the R series -- http://tinyurl.com/2zel6t And here is the T series -- http://tinyurl.com/2nu7m6 |
| 20:21.34 | emma | If anyone would like to look at those two links above, and help me decide which to buy I would love it. |
| 20:21.34 | Nyle | you know hw manuf. better catch on to the open source |
| 20:21.34 | Bushmills | still, 3 instead of 2 major 3d players are good |
| 20:21.54 | Nyle | thats how my dad used to always say |
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| 20:22.01 | Nyle | whats better than two crawfish boils |
| 20:22.02 | abrotman | emma: i've seen both series .. i know them .. you have to decide on your tradeoffs .. and the hardware in each |
| 20:22.06 | Nyle | thre crawfish boils. |
| 20:22.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:22.11 | amphi | emma: AIR, R series were bulkier and of flimsier construction |
| 20:22.28 | abrotman | and lower speced .. but cheaper |
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| 20:22.55 | emma | Certainly cheaper but if they have the same mobo doesn't that mean they can be upgraded to equallying the T series? |
| 20:22.56 | streuner | jberg: well, what happens if you use a stable d-i? |
| 20:23.00 | Nyle | amphi, I used compiz-fusion with every kinda of effect turned up and on itel gma 960 or something, slow as balls dude |
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| 20:23.11 | Nyle | amphi, fglrx is faster than that with aiglx and/or glx |
| 20:23.17 | Nyle | er.. xgl |
| 20:23.31 | Nyle | amphi, I understand that you are using intel video |
| 20:23.37 | Nyle | amphi, which card and how do you manage? |
| 20:23.49 | Nyle | s/card/chipset |
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| 20:24.11 | amphi | Nyle: any effect that uses pixel shaders is currently extremely slow/completely broken on intel |
| 20:24.15 | Bushmills | Nyle: i can run compiz with my old Geforce4 just fine (NV18, onboard controller, shared mem. machine from around 2001 or so) |
| 20:24.19 | Nyle | ahh |
| 20:24.27 | amphi | Nyle: at least on 965 |
| 20:24.34 | Nyle | yes thats the one i have |
| 20:24.42 | Nyle | gma 965 express or soemthing |
| 20:24.44 | amphi | Nyle: otherwise it works well |
| 20:24.48 | Nyle | i see |
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| 20:25.32 | Nyle | which plugins are using that shader? |
| 20:25.47 | Nyle | or should i go to #compiz-fusion? |
| 20:26.02 | amphi | Nyle: water effects, blurs, some others |
| 20:26.16 | Nyle | i got the blurs and transpancies and water and rain and all of em |
| 20:26.17 | Nyle | :/ |
| 20:26.19 | amphi | nothing I care about overmuch |
| 20:26.53 | amphi | I'm using EXA here |
| 20:27.04 | Nyle | though any fullscren opengl game under fglrx keeps blinking very fast when under compiz-fusion |
| 20:27.12 | Nyle | I have to switch to kwin in order to game |
| 20:27.27 | amphi | which is not quite there yet, IMHO - it's noticeably slower than XAA, it seems to me |
| 20:27.28 | Nyle | amphi, is there a patch for it X or driver or compiz |
| 20:27.32 | Nyle | how can i fix this? |
| 20:27.33 | mohbana | Nyle: is the update-java-alternative only applicable to uubntu? |
| 20:27.42 | Nyle | mohbana, i dunno i don't use ubuntu |
| 20:27.51 | Nyle | try #ubuntu |
| 20:28.00 | Bushmills | indeed, opengl games are slower under compiz here too. |
| 20:28.06 | Eulex | mohbana, update-java-alternatives exists in debian too |
| 20:28.11 | amphi | Nyle: if you turn on unredirect fullscreen windows, fullscreen opengl things should behave |
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| 20:28.12 | abrotman | !find update-java-alternatives etch |
| 20:28.25 | Nyle | amphi, compiz option? |
| 20:28.36 | amphi | Nyle: at least, blender did the last time I looked at it |
| 20:28.39 | Bushmills | mohbana, why does apt-get not apply to gentoo? |
| 20:28.46 | amphi | Nyle: yes, ccsm->general settings |
| 20:28.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-java-alternatives' (1): (/usr/sbin/update-java-alternatives) in misc/java-common. |
| 20:28.54 | Nyle | amphi, you da friggin man |
| 20:28.55 | Nyle | man |
| 20:29.01 | Nyle | word |
| 20:29.14 | poseidon | Whats the hotkey for switching between desktops on kde? |
| 20:29.35 | Nyle | poseidon, Ihave a multimedia keyboard I set the things myself |
| 20:29.40 | Nyle | I don't remember anymore |
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| 20:29.53 | Bushmills | mousewheel on background? |
| 20:29.55 | Nyle | try #kde or look at kcontrol > search for keyboard shortcuts |
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| 20:30.15 | Nyle | Bushmills, you have to turn that on yourself in kcontrol > multiple desktops |
| 20:30.19 | Nyle | its not on by default |
| 20:30.24 | Bushmills | ah |
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| 20:30.34 | Nyle | kcontrol > desktop > multipe desktops |
| 20:30.38 | Bushmills | wasn't sure, am not that often in kde |
| 20:30.48 | Nyle | i can't live without kde |
| 20:30.52 | Nyle | :D |
| 20:31.01 | Bushmills | but generally a nice feature. gnome seems to lack it |
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| 20:31.06 | Bushmills | xfce4 has it |
| 20:31.17 | Nyle | i don't mind xfce/gtk2, I just hate gnome |
| 20:31.25 | Nyle | its not very friendly to me |
| 20:31.31 | Bushmills | xfce4 looks very similar |
| 20:31.32 | Nyle | plus i hate its dialog design |
| 20:31.46 | Nyle | especiallyf or file open/save |
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| 20:32.05 | Nyle | yeh gtk2 |
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| 20:32.28 | Nyle | same thing, but at least xfce is minimaland nice and not full of trash and the apps are small and tiny enough and work just as well |
| 20:32.38 | Nyle | rox filer and/or thunar over nautilus any friggin day man, any day |
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| 20:33.06 | pumpkin0 | i have a system with working alsa (lenny). But oss-progs fail. What is the magickey to make them work? |
| 20:33.15 | Nyle | install alsa-oss? |
| 20:33.16 | Bushmills | xfce4 works in some ways. in others it doesn't at all, with debian |
| 20:33.43 | markybob | pumpkin0, or modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:33.44 | amphi | pumpkin0: modprobe snd-pcm-oss ? |
| 20:33.48 | Nyle | i havne't had to configure alsa in such a long time i install debian and everything works |
| 20:33.56 | Bushmills | but well, "good enough. workarounds for the rest" |
| 20:34.15 | Nyle | !info alsa-oss |
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| 20:34.30 | Nyle | i wonder why you guys are saying to load a module |
| 20:34.38 | pumpkin0 | markybob, amphi, Nyle: snd-pcm-oss works. Thanks a lot. |
| 20:34.40 | dpkg | alsa-oss: (ALSA wrapper for OSS applications), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.15-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 20:34.48 | amphi | Nyle: that's why ;) |
| 20:34.51 | Nyle | yeh |
| 20:34.54 | Nyle | doh |
| 20:35.00 | Nyle | smartass |
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| 20:35.23 | Nyle | chases after amphi with a weed whaker... "C'mon, I just wanna give you a haircut!" |
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| 20:35.45 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: i didnt test the other option. I just want it to work and dont care about the how ... |
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| 20:36.11 | Nyle | yeh |
| 20:36.14 | Nyle | I'm not like that |
| 20:36.23 | Nyle | I don't care about the who or there where or the why |
| 20:36.34 | Nyle | its always how. I just have to know, I gotta know. |
| 20:36.54 | markybob | really? tell us more |
| 20:36.57 | emma | So I guess the consensus is that I should just decide for myself. |
| 20:36.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:37.12 | emma | When it comes to R series or T series |
| 20:37.22 | Nyle | emma, yup |
| 20:37.36 | emma | I wish here would have been an overwhelming support for one or the other :) |
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| 20:37.44 | emma | So that I did not have to agonize :) |
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| 20:38.04 | Bushmills | emma, get used to be able to enjoy choice |
| 20:38.06 | Heavy-D | hey guys, anybody ever installed Etch on an Intel Mac mini? |
| 20:38.25 | Nyle | Heavy-D, try #debianppc |
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| 20:38.33 | Nyle | may have more luck with mac users there |
| 20:38.43 | Heavy-D | ah, okay thanks |
| 20:38.43 | Nyle | Heavy-D, on oftc too if this is dead here |
| 20:38.50 | Nyle | you know oftc? |
| 20:38.52 | amphi | emma: I expect most would say 'T series if you can afford it' |
| 20:38.55 | emma | I don't mind having choices, or making choices, I dislike regret from having made a bad choice :) |
| 20:38.59 | Heavy-D | Nyle, what is oftc? |
| 20:39.02 | Nyle | !oftc |
| 20:39.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 20:39.21 | emma | I guess the T series then. |
| 20:39.36 | amphi | emma: OTOH, X series are very nice ;) |
| 20:39.39 | emma | I can afford it, the R series is an attractive price if it were really functionally equivalent. |
| 20:39.49 | emma | I cannot afford an X series :) |
| 20:40.01 | Bushmills | evidently, both intel and amd cpus are usable. it comes down now to more mips per watt, and less dollar per wattmips |
| 20:40.12 | emma | Well I can afford anything but the opportunity costs are high. |
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| 20:40.45 | Nyle | wel |
| 20:40.49 | Nyle | if you can afford anything |
| 20:40.53 | Nyle | get one of each. |
| 20:41.07 | Nyle | sell whatever you don't like later on |
| 20:41.10 | emma | I can afford any of them, but there are opportunity costs to consider. |
| 20:41.21 | amphi | or one of those dual ultrasparc things ;) |
| 20:41.30 | emma | The idea of an opportunity cost is that there is a cost from everything that was forgone because of the choice you did make. |
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| 20:41.46 | grand_gr1nt | emma: hesitating between AMD and Intel, hmm? |
| 20:41.47 | Nyle | thats too deep for my simple little tiny brain |
| 20:42.06 | Bushmills | or, maximize bang / (power * cash) |
| 20:42.07 | emma | Instead of buying an X series I could have much more utility if I buy a T series and use the difference to buy other things I find useful and enjoyable. |
| 20:42.29 | emma | grand_gr1nt: I'm hesitating between thinkpad R series and thinkpad T series |
| 20:42.42 | pumpkin0 | emma: join the ltp-mailing list and read a bit. |
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| 20:42.44 | amphi | X series are if anything cheaper, I think (apart from X300) |
| 20:43.00 | Nyle | so look at whats each of them got and decide what you want |
| 20:43.23 | Nyle | I'm not sure where the problem here is, like what kinda help are you looking for regarding this? |
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| 20:43.32 | anykey | Hi, I am experiencing segfaults with vim on etch and dont know what to do about that. the segfault happens right after I call vim from the command line. |
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| 20:43.45 | pumpkin0 | amphi: X and T have both very high price models. R is the cheap edition. |
| 20:43.56 | amphi | pumpkin0: yes |
| 20:44.12 | emma | I think I'll buy the T series. |
| 20:44.29 | Nyle | emma, great choice I must say |
| 20:44.59 | Bushmills | emma, an XO-1 maybe? |
| 20:45.01 | grand_gr1nt | I wonder something. In France, some customers, while buying a computer with Windows pre-installed, have been refounded of the price if it (about 100â¬), while not activating it. Is that possible in other countries? |
| 20:45.05 | amphi | now you must wrestle with the 4:3 or shortscreen dilemma ;) |
| 20:45.12 | Nyle | Bushmills, she just decided |
| 20:45.17 | Nyle | Bushmills, don't fuck it up now ;) |
| 20:45.34 | pumpkin0 | emma: which one? There are at least 50 different T-versions if you start customizing ... |
| 20:45.49 | Bushmills | XO-1 comes with linux preinstalled |
| 20:46.01 | Nyle | you don't suppose this is better suited to #laptops or ##hardware? |
| 20:46.19 | Bushmills | and has openboot |
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| 20:46.58 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, not in the usa |
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| 20:47.18 | Nyle | grand_grunt, not from hp or dell or someone else, unless you buy thier linux based ubuntu/ or hp's sarge servers |
| 20:47.20 | grand_grunt | Nyle: Do you mean EULA is different in the USA? |
| 20:47.21 | Gnuman | Anyone here have experience using a G3 phone as a modem in Debian? |
| 20:47.29 | Nyle | grand_grunt, but then you end up paying a higher premium for the HW to make upf or the OS cost |
| 20:47.46 | amphi | grand_grunt: it's more to do with local consumer-protection legislation, I expect |
| 20:47.48 | Nyle | grand_grunt, most likely it probably has diff stipulations for USA customers |
| 20:47.50 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 20:47.59 | Nyle | I never read that shit, I just click ok ok ok |
| 20:48.07 | Nyle | fuck MS, right on. |
| 20:48.23 | amphi | grand_grunt: much of EULAs is wishful thinking, in most jurisdictions, AFAIK |
| 20:48.54 | Nyle | grand_grunt, I mean you can't ask them to sell you a pc without windows |
| 20:48.55 | grand_grunt | Nyle: lol, you should read.. In France (and I think it's the same in USA), EULA says "If you don't want software, you can get your money back" (something like that) |
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| 20:48.58 | Nyle | grand_grunt, they won't do it |
| 20:48.58 | Gnuman | EULAs are a scare tactic. Nothing more. |
| 20:49.07 | amphi | grand_grunt: thus the clause that says should any part be invalidated the remainder shall nonetheless apply ;) |
| 20:49.37 | Nyle | its almost impossible to buy a brandname pc without windows of some form |
| 20:49.44 | Nyle | unless its a fucking mac |
| 20:49.56 | Nyle | which is another load of crap but thats another story |
| 20:49.57 | amphi | grand_grunt: that too may be wishful thinking |
| 20:49.58 | Bushmills | emma, if you can wait another 2 years, you may be just in right time for the XO-2 |
| 20:50.11 | Gnuman | they tell you that you are fscked unless you toe the companies line, and must never try to fix anything. But then they say local laws may change all this. . . |
| 20:50.19 | Nyle | grand_grunt, you should be so lucky |
| 20:50.32 | Nyle | grand_grunt, your country laws will refund your os money if you dont' use it or activate it |
| 20:50.35 | Nyle | nto here |
| 20:50.37 | Nyle | not ataik |
| 20:50.38 | emma | Wow take a look at this. I'm looking at the T 61 15.4" one. They have one here that comes with Linux on it -- http://tinyurl.com/yrzxuq |
| 20:50.48 | streuner | jberg: ping |
| 20:51.00 | grand_grunt | yes, not possible. But if you go to justice, explaining "the EULA says I have to get my money back, and ASUS (or HP or Dell) doesn't want" |
| 20:51.08 | abrotman | !ot |
| 20:51.09 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:51.13 | Gnuman | and in fact, local laws usually tell you that all of the penalties int eh EULA are meaningless. . . |
| 20:51.22 | emma | It comes with Suse on it. But would it be accurate to say, if it comes with Linux on it, if I get rid of the SUSE on it, and install say Debian, it would likely work well? |
| 20:51.29 | freddy_engels | I get this bug with Pulseaudio when I login to GNOME. It makes it so that nothing loads except for my wallpaper ( icons, no panels...nothinisg). This the error that comes up in syslog...any ideas as to what I should do? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14885/ |
| 20:51.36 | Gnuman | emma, yes |
| 20:51.56 | Bushmills | freddy_engels: that looks like a ubuntu problem. could that be? |
| 20:51.59 | amphi | stinkpads have long been pretty linux friendly |
| 20:52.00 | freddy_engels | No one in #ubuntu knew what the problem was, and #pulseaudio is dead...so I thought maybe someone in here would know what's tup. |
| 20:52.02 | freddy_engels | :P |
| 20:52.22 | freddy_engels | Sorry if that breaks the rules... |
| 20:52.33 | abrotman | freddy_engels: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:52.36 | emma | freddy_engels: would you like to get rid of pulseaudio? |
| 20:52.52 | freddy_engels | emma: Yes, I don't think I actually use it for anything. |
| 20:53.01 | Bushmills | freddy_engels: no problem. not ours, yours, as applying debian advise on ubuntu can seriously damage your installation |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | freddy_engels: if you persist here, you can be banned |
| 20:53.04 | emma | freddy_engels: highlight me in #ubuntu then |
| 20:53.50 | freddy_engels | Ok, thanks emma. |
| 20:53.56 | Bushmills | freddy_engels: one could, to help you, suggest to modify a specific file. say, sources.list. |
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| 20:54.04 | Bushmills | the result on your system may be fatal |
| 20:54.04 | Gnuman | Is there a HOWTO for using a G3 phone as a modem in Debian> |
| 20:54.07 | Gnuman | ? |
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| 20:55.18 | JyZyXEL | why is X sucking 100% of my CPU all the time |
| 20:55.37 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: ubuntu? |
| 20:55.42 | JyZyXEL | lenny |
| 20:55.54 | jberg | streuner: pong |
| 20:56.01 | Bushmills | how do you know it is X ? |
| 20:56.04 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: nvidia drivers? |
| 20:56.19 | JyZyXEL | abrotman maybe? |
| 20:56.22 | streuner | jberg: do you have another d-i handy, a stable d-i for example? |
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| 20:56.23 | abrotman | yes or no |
| 20:56.29 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 20:56.35 | abrotman | grr |
| 20:56.39 | jberg | streuner: nope :( |
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| 20:56.57 | jberg | streuner: do you think i should try with debian stable? |
| 20:57.05 | streuner | jberg: dude, go and install etch/stable, use a debian-installer (d-i) |
| 20:57.09 | streuner | jberg: of course |
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| 20:57.30 | jberg | streuner: hmm ok. but i think its the network card since the lights arent flashing.. |
| 20:57.56 | streuner | jberg: any other OS installed? |
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| 20:58.01 | jberg | no |
| 20:58.05 | streuner | omg |
| 20:58.19 | jberg | what? |
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| 20:58.29 | JyZyXEL | how can i know whats it doing? |
| 20:58.30 | streuner | jberg: get d-i (etch/stable) |
| 20:58.35 | Nyle | streuner, zomg?! |
| 20:58.47 | jberg | streuner: okay |
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| 20:59.09 | wols_ | streuner: etch doesn't like my r8118b chip. had to use a testing/sid kernel |
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| 20:59.18 | wols_ | so I'd say: get the kmuto installer |
| 20:59.23 | Nyle | so I'm thinking, how would etch + half compare to kmuto images? |
| 20:59.24 | jberg | kmuto? |
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| 20:59.30 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 20:59.30 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:59.32 | JyZyXEL | should i do a backtrace out of my X |
| 20:59.32 | wols_ | !tell jberg about kmuto |
| 20:59.45 | JyZyXEL | nah |
| 20:59.47 | ricosecada | On a standard etch install will logrotate delete log files after 5 weeks? |
| 20:59.47 | Nyle | JyZyXEL, lol that souns funny |
| 20:59.48 | Nyle | :) |
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| 20:59.57 | JyZyXEL | its only for crashing shit |
| 21:00.04 | jberg | ah ok. so this could be a kernel issue and the newest kernel could fix it? |
| 21:00.10 | JyZyXEL | how the fuck am i supposed to debug it when it doesn't crash |
| 21:00.14 | JyZyXEL | it just uses all the CPU |
| 21:00.17 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:00.20 | abrotman | you could answer the questions we ask you |
| 21:00.20 | streuner | jberg: prolly a kernel bug |
| 21:00.28 | wols_ | abrotman: too hard |
| 21:00.34 | abrotman | apparently |
| 21:00.39 | JyZyXEL | only happends with xfce |
| 21:00.49 | JyZyXEL | there is a bug in the xfce package of lenny |
| 21:01.00 | Bushmills | yes |
| 21:01.12 | JyZyXEL | fucking horrible bug |
| 21:01.15 | Bushmills | avoid using xfdesktop and menu-plugin |
| 21:01.36 | Bushmills | they are incontinent |
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| 21:02.17 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: how much swap does your system use now? |
| 21:02.51 | JyZyXEL | 0MB |
| 21:03.14 | Bushmills | hmm.. and how much cached mem? |
| 21:03.24 | JyZyXEL | 466/1011MB |
| 21:03.31 | Bushmills | well, that's fine |
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| 21:03.36 | Bushmills | different problem |
| 21:03.43 | JyZyXEL | well the 100 CPU ain't fine |
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| 21:04.05 | Bushmills | firefox open? |
| 21:04.12 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 21:04.16 | Bushmills | close it |
| 21:04.44 | Bushmills | any difference? |
| 21:04.47 | chandoo__ | BOOTING FROM thumb drive |
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| 21:04.53 | chandoo__ | for installation |
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| 21:04.58 | JyZyXEL | no |
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| 21:05.11 | Nyle | chandoo_, where are you from? |
| 21:05.22 | ribasushi | hello |
| 21:05.26 | Nyle | where is this optonline isp? |
| 21:05.43 | Nyle | ausatralia? |
| 21:05.56 | ribasushi | I have been running an xsession wrapped in ssh-agent for quite some time with no issues |
| 21:05.57 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills i have both menu-plugin and xfdesktop running |
| 21:06.09 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: run top, press shift-P. what is the topmost process? |
| 21:06.19 | ribasushi | now I need to get sshfs mounts in my crontab to benefit from the keys found in the agent |
| 21:06.25 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills Xorg |
| 21:06.28 | ribasushi | what would be the best way to accomplish this? |
| 21:06.41 | Nyle | oh american, no shit |
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| 21:07.39 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: xfdesktop and menu-plugin both show mem grave memory leaks, but not intensive cpu use. |
| 21:07.53 | tomd123 | does anyone know how to keep packages more up to date? I did an upgrade and I still had gimp 2.2 or something, current is 2.3 |
| 21:07.59 | tomd123 | 2.5** |
| 21:08.13 | abrotman | tomd123: you're using etch ? |
| 21:08.14 | tomd123 | should I just add unstable repositories? |
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| 21:08.34 | JyZyXEL | well damn |
| 21:08.56 | tomd123 | abrotman: yes |
| 21:09.11 | abrotman | tomd123: etch doesn't get updates like that |
| 21:09.13 | JyZyXEL | can't you just see what the process is processing so much |
| 21:09.16 | abrotman | !tell tomd123 about the meaning of stable |
| 21:09.19 | Jemt | Greetz. I have forced xOrg to use 1440x900 which my monitor supports - but it displays the image in 1600x1200. Is it possible that the VESA driver does not support WideScreen? |
| 21:09.25 | benjamindees | tomd123, no don't add unstable; was this system upgraded from sarge? |
| 21:09.38 | tomd123 | benjamindees: fresh install |
| 21:09.46 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: you checked already, and found it to be X |
| 21:09.56 | Bushmills | i suppose your asking "why" |
| 21:10.00 | JyZyXEL | yes |
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| 21:10.36 | JyZyXEL | its eagerly trying to do something |
| 21:10.37 | tomd123 | I'm gonna go take a look at my other system again |
| 21:10.42 | tomd123 | thanks |
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| 21:10.48 | JyZyXEL | i want some debug information |
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| 21:12.57 | ricosecada | Should gzipped log files be removed manually, or is debian set up to delete them at some interval? |
| 21:13.00 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: is there anything on your screen which is updated quickly and continously? |
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| 21:13.12 | mutante | ricosecada: you can setup "logrotate" |
| 21:13.16 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills yes i have CPU graph and NET graph |
| 21:13.21 | JyZyXEL | and they are updating very fast |
| 21:13.55 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: i'd say they don't matter |
| 21:14.12 | ricosecada | mutante, but isn't logrotate setup to handle this by default? Or will the logs just keep growing? |
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| 21:14.39 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: but you still might want to exclude that possibility, by stopping them |
| 21:14.39 | mutante | ricosecada: i guess that depends on the config settings of logrotate |
| 21:14.45 | JyZyXEL | 0.1s and 0.25s intervals they have |
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| 21:14.55 | Bushmills | ah. no. that's nothing |
| 21:14.57 | ricosecada | mutante, the default, do you know what that is? |
| 21:15.02 | mutante | ricosecada: but i expect by default it will not keep them forever, that would defy the sense of "rotate" |
| 21:15.02 | peleg | is there a way to download a live-cd using bittorrent? |
| 21:15.03 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 21:15.12 | ricosecada | mutante, thanks |
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| 21:16.36 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: any effect stuff on, like transparencyt? |
| 21:17.11 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills no |
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| 21:17.58 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: kill the xfce processes one by one. look which one causes cpu load to drio |
| 21:18.00 | Bushmills | drop |
| 21:18.08 | JyZyXEL | lol ok |
| 21:18.27 | path_ | hi there guys |
| 21:18.40 | Bushmills | you can also kill -STOP them |
| 21:18.58 | path_ | have a question, can I implement GPG keys on ssh in order to login ? |
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| 21:19.16 | path_ | it just a yes or no question, as simple as that :D |
| 21:19.17 | Bushmills | (and kill -CONT ... to revive them again) |
| 21:19.31 | path_ | s/it/its |
| 21:19.40 | Bushmills | path_: ssh uses openssl keys |
| 21:19.53 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills problem solved |
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| 21:20.01 | alsd | hi there |
| 21:20.07 | JyZyXEL | it was one of my "cool" plugins |
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| 21:20.59 | path_ | I mean GPG certificates to login in Bushmills |
| 21:21.11 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills thank you for leading me to right path |
| 21:21.13 | path_ | sorry about that, my bad. |
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| 21:21.28 | Bushmills | path_: i'm afraid no. but i won't garantee it. |
| 21:21.45 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: np |
| 21:21.53 | path_ | Bushmills thanks anyway, you were so kind :) |
| 21:22.06 | path_ | gotta look up on mail lists |
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| 21:27.24 | warreng | how would i go about switching apache2.2.3-4 from prefork to threaded? and what kinds of reprecussions could there be? |
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| 21:35.55 | abrotman | warreng: using PHP ? |
| 21:36.14 | warreng | yes, but not heavily |
| 21:36.22 | warreng | i just tried switching... mod_rails blew up :-( |
| 21:36.28 | abrotman | can't |
| 21:36.59 | abrotman | !depends libapache2-mod-php5 etch |
| 21:37.03 | Bushmills | i wonder how much the announce samsung SSD disks are going to cost. the specs are very intesting indeed. |
| 21:37.06 | abrotman | it depends on prefork or itk |
| 21:37.25 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php5: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.4, libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache2-mpm-prefork (>> 2.0.52) | apache2-mpm-itk, apache2.2-common, php5-common (= 5.2.0-8+etch10), libmagic1, ucf |
| 21:38.07 | warreng | hmmm |
| 21:38.10 | warreng | what's itk? |
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| 21:38.19 | chandoo | hi |
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| 21:39.09 | chandoo | booting from usb drive , didnt recognise my network interfaces, i have one nvidia interface and one marvell yukon interface |
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| 21:40.36 | format_c | To you mean the package apache2-mpm-worker ? |
| 21:40.36 | warreng | abrotman: what about php5-cli though? |
| 21:40.43 | format_c | s/To/Do/ |
| 21:40.45 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 21:42.31 | grand_grunt | What's the name of standard audio input, in /dev? the pink jack ^^ |
| 21:45.12 | Rockj | Hey, im wondering if someone could assist me abit with debian lenny and tinydns/djbdns. Ive installed daemontools package and required stuff like ucspi-tcp, but I dont find any /etc/init.d/djb* or daemontools in init.d. Im missing something here? |
| 21:45.33 | azeem | Rockj: maybe it's run by inetd? |
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| 21:47.24 | Rockj | azeem, nothing added in inetd.conf |
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| 21:48.35 | Rockj | package docs didn't describe special debian install either. |
| 21:48.55 | format_c | warreng, do know the package apache2-mpm-worker? |
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| 21:50.37 | warreng | format_c: ya... but what's itk? |
| 21:50.56 | warreng | ahh... with uid/gid's... |
| 21:51.04 | fas3r | debootstraps manage RAID ? |
| 21:51.07 | warreng | nice |
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| 21:53.06 | Rockj | azeem, http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2008/01/ |
| 21:53.12 | Rockj | hum, maybe package is not ready yet? |
| 21:53.51 | Rockj | seems like djbdns just has made it into binary-repo, due change of license just recently. |
| 21:54.41 | Tapout | getting this : BUG: warning at kernel/cpu.c:51/unlock_cpu_hotplug() .. hrm |
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| 22:05.30 | ma3x | how do i configure the rate for wireless? iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M does not work |
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| 22:10.08 | azeem | ma3x: why do you think you need to configure it? |
| 22:10.28 | ma3x | azeem: to run a little higher |
| 22:10.37 | ma3x | it runs at 24Mbits now |
| 22:10.38 | azeem | eh? |
| 22:10.51 | ma3x | it changes all the time |
| 22:10.58 | ma3x | i want to set it at fixed rate |
| 22:11.00 | ma3x | 54 Mbps |
| 22:11.06 | ma3x | it changes from 24-54 |
| 22:11.20 | azeem | ma3x: did you consider it might change because the reception changes? |
| 22:11.20 | ma3x | it changes from 24-54 |
| 22:11.22 | ma3x | sorry |
| 22:11.26 | ma3x | azeem: |
| 22:11.29 | azeem | ? |
| 22:11.32 | ma3x | ah damn, what's wrong with me |
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| 22:11.41 | ma3x | yes i've considered that and yet i wanna set a fixed speed |
| 22:11.44 | ma3x | how do i do that pleasE? |
| 22:12.00 | azeem | put it right next to the access point, and don't move it |
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| 22:12.24 | ma3x | i mean is there a way to set a fixed speed for wlan0 |
| 22:12.28 | nevyn | actually it may not achieve best speed right next to the access point |
| 22:12.33 | ma3x | like 'iwconfig wlan0 rate 11M' does not work |
| 22:12.46 | nevyn | ma3x: you should not be adjusting this up |
| 22:12.53 | ma3x | nevyn: but i wanna 'try' |
| 22:13.02 | Tyrant91101 | does anyone know why modprobe would fail loading a .ko file with error "Operation not permitted" ? (i ran it under root) |
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| 22:13.17 | ma3x | why it won't work 'iwconfig wlan0 11M' |
| 22:13.20 | azeem | Tyrant91101: maybe there is more info in syslog/dmesg |
| 22:13.21 | ma3x | with rate inbetween |
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| 22:13.41 | Tyrant91101 | azeem, where is the syslog? dmesg returns blank output |
| 22:14.02 | azeem | Tyrant91101: blank output? |
| 22:14.10 | azeem | ma3x: maybe your card doesn't allow that |
| 22:14.16 | azeem | Tyrant91101: syslog is in /var/log |
| 22:14.17 | Tyrant91101 | azeem,I run it and it just returns to console |
| 22:14.26 | azeem | Tyrant91101: that's weird |
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| 22:14.42 | ma3x | azeem: i use wpasupplicant! is there a variable for the speed for wpas... ?? |
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| 22:14.53 | Tyrant91101 | azeem: syslog shows nothing relating to modprobe or insmod |
| 22:15.04 | azeem | ma3x: dude, I totally don't care |
| 22:15.20 | jberg | which kernel is lenny using? |
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| 22:15.33 | fengor | 2.6.24 i believe |
| 22:15.35 | azeem | ma3x: but if you use wpasupplicant, why do you think iwconfig is the right tool to change the rate? |
| 22:16.04 | ma3x | azeem: that's what im saying! since iwconfig won't work, how can i change the speed? |
| 22:16.18 | azeem | ma3x: read the documentation, maybe? |
| 22:16.21 | jberg | okay. is there a known problem with 2.6.24 and r8169/8111b chipset and is it fixed in later kernels? |
| 22:16.38 | streuner | don't ask such questions |
| 22:16.45 | streuner | we already told you about |
| 22:17.08 | jberg | streuner: hmm? im just wondering if its a know problem or not |
| 22:17.08 | streuner | its prolly a bug in a kernel (d-i) |
| 22:17.10 | Tyrant91101 | azeem: any other ideas about whats wrong? |
| 22:17.21 | jberg | streuner: what do you mean by (d-i)? |
| 22:17.25 | azeem | Tyrant91101: no |
| 22:17.28 | fengor | debian installer? |
| 22:17.29 | streuner | debian-installer |
| 22:17.37 | Tyrant91101 | ok ty anyway |
| 22:17.48 | jberg | but why do you append that? kernel debian-installer? |
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| 22:18.14 | streuner | different d-i's using different kernels... |
| 22:18.20 | jberg | oh ok |
| 22:18.25 | ma3x | how can i view the mW instead of dB for wlan0? |
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| 22:19.51 | Bushmills | ma3x: mW is out, db (signal over noise) is in. closest electrical unit for signal in would be microvolt. |
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| 22:21.14 | fas3r | debootstraps manage RAID ? |
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| 22:21.49 | azeem | fas3r: debootstrap doesn't manage anything |
| 22:22.01 | azeem | it creates chroots |
| 22:24.42 | jberg | streuner: do you think i should try to install sid if that has a newer kernel? |
| 22:24.57 | azeem | jberg: no |
| 22:25.16 | streuner | jberg: no, your problem is, you don't have much experience with Debian, and the d-i (etch) doesn't work for your NIC |
| 22:25.37 | jberg | streuner: im using lenny |
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| 22:25.45 | jberg | or does it use etch d-i? |
| 22:25.46 | streuner | jberg: you need a working kernel and we think that you should using kmuto |
| 22:26.04 | streuner | s/using/use/ |
| 22:26.23 | jberg | streuner: im looking at the kmuto page, but that uses 2.6.24 kernel, and isnt that the same kernel that is in lenny which i have tried now? |
| 22:26.32 | macsim | hi, I use a virtual debian on vmware, and i wonder if it's possible to use the vmware-tools even if I don't use X (I just want to use debian on tty) ? thanks |
| 22:26.57 | streuner | jberg: it could be, that the kernel in kmuto fixed the bug |
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| 22:27.45 | jberg | streuner: ok i will try then. but which one of 0215 1013 or 0720 should i try? |
| 22:27.51 | streuner | jberg: well, we told you before, do you have another NIC handy. well, NICs are very cheap nowadays |
| 22:28.02 | jberg | hm yes |
| 22:28.04 | streuner | no idea |
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| 22:28.33 | streuner | wols_ already told you, he had to use daily built or such in order to get that NIC to work |
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| 22:28.52 | streuner | i know, its really bad luck, but NICs are very cheap |
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| 22:30.19 | jberg | ok ill just buy a new nic tomorrow. its probably the easiest thing to do. so which nics are definitively 100% supported in debian lenny? |
| 22:31.02 | streuner | well, rtl NICs are very popular, buy such a NIC which is almost in every box |
| 22:31.04 | wols_ | streuner: sid kernel (.24) at least that's what I used on my gigabyte P35-DS3 |
| 22:31.13 | streuner | hm |
| 22:31.41 | streuner | RTL Nics are also very cheap |
| 22:31.47 | jberg | i actually have a SMC wireless network card here |
| 22:31.54 | jberg | maybe i should try that |
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| 22:32.02 | wols_ | jberg: depends on its chipset |
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| 22:32.37 | jberg | wols_: hm |
| 22:33.55 | streuner | or just try grml, it has a function to install Debian, IIRC, but that's prolly testing/unstable |
| 22:36.19 | streuner | !di |
| 22:36.20 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 22:36.32 | streuner | hm |
| 22:36.40 | streuner | !listvals linuxmafia.org |
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| 22:36.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linuxmafia.org' by value (3): gshield ;; distrowars ;; gforward. |
| 22:37.00 | streuner | somebody removed that factoid (di) |
| 22:37.50 | streuner | jberg: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
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| 22:38.08 | streuner | !listvals linuxmafia.com |
| 22:38.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linuxmafia.com' by value (14): /usr/src/linux ;; filesystem comparison ;; ntfs ;; package database repair ;; testing ;; installers ;; gifswfs ;; sata ;; groups rationale ;; sata faq ;; stuffit ;; special installers ;; sargeisnotout ;; wordperfect. |
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| 22:39.25 | jberg | streuner: hmm ok |
| 22:39.55 | streuner | jberg: there are 1000 possibilties to install Debian, d-i (official) are few of them |
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| 22:40.06 | jberg | streuner: i see |
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| 22:40.32 | Kiron | hi all |
| 22:40.32 | jberg | but i dont want to try 1000 different installers before one of them can configure my network card |
| 22:40.45 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:41.26 | streuner | yes, another NIC would be the easiest way, IMHO |
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| 22:43.16 | jberg | so i should get a realtek card, even though thats what failing me now? |
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| 22:50.56 | jberg | oh and one last thing. debian was insanely slow moving around and looking for manpages and stuff.. is this because i have a big raid? someone recommended using a tool which had sparse array or something as an option to get big raids faster |
| 22:50.58 | DeFirence | lo all |
| 22:51.03 | jberg | does anyone know what that was? |
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| 22:51.13 | jberg | maybe mdtools, is there such a thing? |
| 22:51.40 | DeFirence | when i try and ping an ip, even 127.0.0.1, it replies "segment fault". anyone know why? |
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| 22:53.44 | vlt | Hello. I want to create a VPN tunnel to a Debian server (already running OpenVPN). The client device supports "PPTP" and "L2TP". Which one should I use and what do I need to install on the Debian server? |
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| 22:54.06 | antgel | vlt: what documentation have you read on this so far? |
| 22:55.37 | vlt | antgel: I'm very experienced in using OpenVPN, and I've just read that PPTP seems to be a M$ protocol and L2TP is a newer one ... that's aöö so far ... |
| 22:55.49 | vlt | *all |
| 22:56.02 | vrkhans | can any one help me what i should do to make my atheros wireless working |
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| 22:57.31 | amphi | !tell vrkhans -about madwifi |
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| 23:00.26 | eyeris | Is there a way to invoke apt-get so that it upgrades only packages that have an unstream version change, ignoring package version changes? |
| 23:01.16 | alsd | eyeris: there sure is, but what's the point? |
| 23:01.44 | eyeris | alsd to avoid downloading huge openoffice packages -- something I used once a month -- in order to dist-upgrade the rest of my system |
| 23:02.03 | alsd | eyeris: the simplest way is to put them on hold then |
| 23:02.08 | alsd | eyeris: using aptitude |
| 23:02.25 | eyeris | ok |
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| 23:04.38 | helo_ | newly installed etch system, first aptitude update: "http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" |
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| 23:04.58 | streuner | helo_: read /topic |
| 23:05.18 | helo_ | i just did... it's not saying "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE" |
| 23:06.25 | zkline | Hm. I'm trying to build ndiswrapper and failing for 2.6.25.4. |
| 23:06.45 | streuner | why, ndiswrapper is in Debian |
| 23:06.52 | extor | Is there a way with apt to tell if there are supposed to be any security related upgrades that should be done? Like kernel, mysql and other stuff that runs in priv mode? |
| 23:06.52 | helo_ | maybe that should read "apt/aptitude gpg warnings or errors? /msg dpkg no public key" |
| 23:07.03 | extor | Should I just type 'apt-get update' followed by 'apt-get upgrade' and that will patch everything that needs patching? |
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| 23:07.54 | streuner | no, you need to build the modules new |
| 23:07.55 | zkline | I needed to build a custom kernel to get my screen reader patched in. |
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| 23:09.31 | helo_ | streuner: i've followed everything mentioned by '/msg dpkg no public key', and i'm still getting "Unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 23:10.57 | alsd | helo_: i guess what you want is in the very begining of the /topic |
| 23:11.34 | alsd | helo_: as gpg uses openssl AFAIK |
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| 23:12.03 | streuner | helo_: show us please the whole error in paste.debian.net |
| 23:12.04 | helo_ | no, gpg doesn't use ssl keys. |
| 23:12.29 | helo_ | streuner: fixed it, it was because my system time was way off... ntpdate ftw |
| 23:13.21 | helo_ | i guess it isn't a problem in testing because of the auto ntp during installation |
| 23:15.07 | karsten | helo_: Desktop or latptop system? |
| 23:15.18 | helo_ | desktop |
| 23:15.19 | karsten | helo_: You might want to look at chrony for laptops, FYI. |
| 23:15.47 | helo_ | drifts offtopic thinking about machrony |
| 23:16.01 | karsten | helo_: ... or even dekstop. ntpd is very finicky and doesn't like to slew if the time is off significantly. |
| 23:16.08 | karsten | helo_: Machrony & cheese? |
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| 23:18.16 | Laser | i have a problem. ncurses interfaces show bogus font :( |
| 23:18.50 | Laser | like aptitude for example |
| 23:18.54 | alsd | Laser: you seem like having a charset problem |
| 23:19.32 | alsd | is in deep wild guess mode today |
| 23:19.36 | Laser | you mean like encoding and stuff |
| 23:19.49 | Laser | locales? |
| 23:19.52 | alsd | Laser: yes, seems like |
| 23:20.10 | alsd | Laser: something involving utf-8 maybe |
| 23:20.18 | Laser | exactly |
| 23:20.56 | Laser | i began reconfiguring locales to be with all the charsets |
| 23:21.03 | Laser | still does it |
| 23:21.43 | Laser | what encoding should i use? |
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| 23:22.10 | alsd | Laser: utf-8 handling is beyond my means. i've come to hate that one. even if it's a great charset, it's a pita to configure, at least to me |
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| 23:23.10 | Laser | i see :) |
| 23:24.02 | fas3r | it's possible to convert normal system to lvm crypt ? |
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| 23:24.32 | alsd | Laser: gnome uses UTF-8 from the ground to the roof, maybe KDE too, so you'll have to convert if you want those, or GTK, or belongings |
| 23:24.53 | alsd | Laser: that's why I gave up and reverted to some simple WM, but YMMV |
| 23:24.57 | Hydroxide | I think GNOME and KDE use whatever your locale is set to |
| 23:25.06 | Hydroxide | which is UTF-8 by default on current Debian |
| 23:25.23 | Laser | yes. i use fluxbox and both gnome and kde apps. |
| 23:25.31 | alsd | Hydroxide: GNOME doesn't even consider anything not utf-8, at least in file names |
| 23:25.36 | alsd | Hydroxide: or GTK for that matter |
| 23:25.58 | Laser | Eterm with aptitude turns out to be bogus on the edges |
| 23:26.04 | Hydroxide | alsd: are you sure that's true if you start with a non-UTF-8 locale? |
| 23:26.40 | Hydroxide | alsd: it's not in my experience. of course, I use UTF-8 exclusively on Linux now myself |
| 23:26.48 | zkline | Hmf. Still grappling with module-assistant. I'm not sure why the build's failing like this. |
| 23:26.49 | alsd | Hydroxide: it says "[wrong encoding]" all along for any filename not utf-8 (or 7-bit ascii, but that's in utf-8) |
| 23:27.16 | alsd | Hydroxide: and that's true whatever the locale |
| 23:27.31 | Hydroxide | alsd: what kind of filesystem is this on? |
| 23:28.53 | alsd | Hydroxide: each and everyone. it's in one of the utf-8 related man pages : the kernel doesn't care about filename encoding, as long as it comes to VFS as a C encoded char * |
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| 23:29.36 | Hydroxide | alsd: right, but some filesystems can use different encodings on disk, like fat32 and ntfs |
| 23:29.42 | Hydroxide | alsd: and those need to get converted properly |
| 23:29.51 | alsd | Hydroxide: yes, but not ext2 |
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| 23:30.16 | Hydroxide | alsd: indeed not. I didn't see you say you were using ext2. (admittedly it's the default) |
| 23:30.22 | alsd | Hydroxide: i've been copying FAT IBM CP850 encoded filenames in error to ext2, it sticks as is |
| 23:30.50 | alsd | Hydroxide: the same is true for all unix fs : reiser, xfs |
| 23:30.50 | Hydroxide | alsd: how did you mount the fat partition? |
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| 23:31.11 | Hydroxide | alsd: and do the filenames show up correctly with ls? |
| 23:31.12 | alsd | Hydroxide: i don't remember really, the only thing that remains is that gnome complains about my filenames |
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| 23:33.09 | Hydroxide | alsd: if you go to the directory the files are in in a terminal program and run ls, do they show up right? |
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| 23:33.35 | alsd | Hydroxide: it depends on the locale, charset of the filename, whatever |
| 23:34.14 | Hydroxide | alsd: I know. just open up a regular terminal from your GNOME environment - which presumably will use the same settings as nautilus |
| 23:34.18 | alsd | Hydroxide: to explain a bit of background, it's my 150GB of music coming from all around, been collecting for years, and each and every file has a different charset |
| 23:34.26 | alsd | Hydroxide: so i can't convert all at once |
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| 23:35.22 | alsd | Hydroxide: as i have many musics from western and eastern europe, charset is a big issue here |
| 23:35.54 | alsd | Hydroxide: and it shows up like many '?' with ls most of the time |
| 23:36.06 | alsd | Hydroxide: for anything not 7-bit ascii that is |
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| 23:36.43 | Hydroxide | alsd: do you have the right fonts in place? |
| 23:36.58 | alsd | Hydroxide: of course, but that's a charset problem anyway |
| 23:36.59 | Hydroxide | there are so many things that can go wrong with character sets :) |
| 23:37.04 | Hydroxide | yes. |
| 23:37.11 | alsd | Hydroxide: i've been turning the problem all way round many times |
| 23:37.33 | alsd | Hydroxide: and given up, as i can play them anyway, most of the times |
| 23:38.21 | alsd | Hydroxide: except maybe when using some gtk2 based apps that get very annoying (i think about vlc here) |
| 23:38.27 | Hydroxide | right. when you're mounting FAT filesystems, you have to make sure to match the codepage if not everything is non-ascii |
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| 23:38.47 | Hydroxide | so that Linux can convert encodings properly while copying to ext2/3/reiser/xfs |
| 23:38.50 | alsd | Hydroxide: i do know that now, but not at the time, unfortunately ;) |
| 23:39.02 | Hydroxide | yeah. there are probably some tools that can do conversions |
| 23:39.20 | alsd | Hydroxide: yes, i've been thinking about scripting convertions |
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| 23:39.25 | alsd | Hydroxide: with iconv or recode |
| 23:39.47 | alsd | Hydroxide: but they must be fed the exact original charset, and are annoying about loosing data in transit |
| 23:40.20 | alsd | Hydroxide: that is, to make things simple, i'd like to make all that mess 7 bit ascii, so as to forget the issue afterwards |
| 23:40.40 | alsd | Hydroxide: but can't find a converter to drop diacritics |
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| 23:41.07 | Hydroxide | alsd: "apt-cache search filename encoding" makes me see convmv and nautilus-filename-repairer |
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| 23:41.27 | Hydroxide | alsd: once you've used those to get correct encoding, so that they're readable with diacritics, use the rename command on Debian (which comes from perl) |
| 23:41.49 | Hydroxide | alsd: it has the full power of perl to do text processing on the filenames |
| 23:42.03 | poseidon | for root, should I open blender under kdesu or sudo? |
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| 23:43.57 | alsd | Hydroxide: i'll write that down, thanks. im not at home now, so can't really try |
| 23:44.24 | alsd | Hydroxide: but anyway, i've come to love 7bit ascii, the only charset that's real portable |
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| 23:44.53 | Hydroxide | poseidon: you shouldn't be running blender as root. it's a complex graphical program and probably involves lots of code which hasn't been audited carefully for security flaws. therefore it's probably not safe to run as root |
| 23:44.53 | alsd | Hydroxide: people from the 70s and 80s might have had fun with EBCDIC i guess |
| 23:45.51 | ghosTM55 | hi all , anybody know how to setup the kmail to receive new mails automatically ? |
| 23:46.17 | alsd | Hydroxide: i've been working on IBM z/series (formerly AS/400) for CS study, and i can only say that charsets are a whole lot of a mess |
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| 23:46.22 | Hydroxide | alsd: yes :) anyway, the rename command from perl (usually /usr/bin/prename on debian providing the /usr/bin/rename alternative) can definitely remove all non-ascii characters, or change diacritics to the non-diacritical version |
| 23:46.27 | Hydroxide | alsd: I agree. |
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| 23:49.32 | click170 | Does anyone here have experience with racoon/ipsec well enough to help me with an error message? |
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| 23:51.47 | streuner | damog: ! |
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| 23:52.20 | damog | streuner! |
| 23:52.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:52.33 | damog | sup buddy |
| 23:52.35 | zd32nv | how do i list packages installed on my lenny system that came from unstable repos |
| 23:53.03 | zd32nv | as I want to do away with those packages if they're now available in lenny |
| 23:53.17 | streuner | uh |
| 23:53.22 | streuner | apt-show-versions? |
| 23:53.44 | alsd | zd32nv: you might want to use apt pinning for that |
| 23:53.50 | zd32nv | alsd: i am |
| 23:53.55 | zd32nv | with negative score for unstable |
| 23:53.58 | streuner | pinning is crap, dont use that |
| 23:54.07 | dendrite | zd32nv: Before you bother with all that, confirm that your libc is still on etch. |
| 23:54.17 | zd32nv | dendrite: how do you mean? |
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| 23:54.45 | dendrite | zd32nv: I mean, if your libc is sid, then your system is sid, period. |
| 23:54.54 | zd32nv | ah |
| 23:54.56 | streuner | if you want pinning, just be aware that you prolly get bobbitt |
| 23:54.59 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:54.59 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:55.24 | FrankTheTank | i want to get debian, and i go to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/iso-cd/, but there are 22+ different ISOs to get, which one should i get and why? |
| 23:55.45 | streuner | depends, what CPU do you have? |
| 23:55.50 | FrankTheTank | ppc |
| 23:55.53 | dendrite | FrankTheTank: Do you have a decent internet connection on the target machine? |
| 23:55.54 | alsd | streuner: well you get to keep both pieces anyway ;) |
| 23:55.59 | FrankTheTank | yes |
| 23:56.03 | FrankTheTank | dsl |
| 23:56.09 | streuner | alsd: hehe |
| 23:56.10 | dendrite | FrankTheTank: Then get the netinstall image for your arch. |
| 23:56.13 | nevyn | do you want a complete set of install media for offline installs? |
| 23:56.13 | zd32nv | dendrite: 'libc'? |
| 23:56.21 | zd32nv | dendrite: which package? |
| 23:56.22 | FrankTheTank | netinstall? |
| 23:56.36 | dendrite | zd32nv: libc65 |
| 23:56.40 | dendrite | libc6, even |
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| 23:57.07 | zd32nv | 2.7-10 here |
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| 23:57.22 | streuner | alsd: i prefer one *working* piece ;-) |
| 23:57.23 | FrankTheTank | i would rather get the entire image |
| 23:57.24 | dendrite | zd32nv: Now figure out whether that's lenny or sid. |
| 23:57.37 | FrankTheTank | unless the netinst has a distinct advantage |
| 23:57.39 | dvs | zd32nv: That's lenny |
| 23:57.45 | dendrite | FrankTheTank: The advantage of getting netinstall, is that you only ever download what you actually need. |
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| 23:57.59 | zd32nv | yep, amd64 lenny |
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| 23:58.09 | FrankTheTank | i will still be able to partition and keep osx on it and everything? |
| 23:58.10 | dendrite | FrankTheTank: If you decide later to build, say, CD1, then you can use jigdo. |
| 23:58.40 | dendrite | FrankTheTank: Dunno 'bout dual booting ppc, maybe someone else does. |
| 23:58.54 | dendrite | zd32nv: Good. |
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| 23:59.17 | alsd | streuner: working? as in getting up early, going office, taking coffee, stuff like that? |
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| 23:59.53 | streuner | alsd: there is (almost) no reason for using pinning |
