| 00:00.08 | Ryan52 | or at least thats what the people who worked on this last told me... |
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| 00:00.47 | grendal_prime | Ryan52: i dont think that is going to work? |
| 00:00.49 | Pulpie | what do I do to cp a full dir? |
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| 00:01.04 | grendal_prime | you have to put the public key on the box. |
| 00:01.26 | Ryan52 | grendal_prime: ldap can do that...and from what I heard it will do it once you ssh to the box once. |
| 00:01.41 | Ryan52 | Pulpie: cp -a dir new_dir |
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| 00:02.12 | Pulpie | Ryan52: cp: illegal option -- a |
| 00:02.12 | Ryan52 | Pulpie: that preserves permissions, if you just want to recursively copy then '-R' |
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| 00:02.49 | grendal_prime | so..you login the first time..then..send you pub.key to the authorized_keys file? i mean i dont get why that is hard? |
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| 00:03.00 | grendal_prime | you want to login without haveing to do that? |
| 00:03.06 | Ryan52 | grendal_prime: yes. |
| 00:03.25 | Ryan52 | grendal_prime: I want my authorized_keys file to be put there automatically by ldap. |
| 00:03.51 | grendal_prime | wow. that seems totally unsecure. i mean you just like throwing a pub.key on every box you log into? |
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| 00:05.05 | slxix | public keys are supposed to be public. right? |
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| 00:06.21 | Ryan52 | nvm...I will just email the debian-dsa list. |
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| 00:06.43 | grendal_prime | well ya, but i mean...say the machine gets owned and the password you have on the second machine is set to something different...for a reason. |
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| 00:07.29 | grendal_prime | there are times when you just dont want a user to be able to straight up have access to another box. simple cause the have a user account with the same name on it. |
| 00:08.00 | grendal_prime | i would just bash up a quick script you could run that would do the copy over.. |
| 00:08.23 | slxix | put your home directory on a networked file system. :) |
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| 00:08.37 | grendal_prime | i mean if your going to have to log in anyway the first time... |
| 00:09.22 | Ryan52 | slxix: but the way that the debian project has it is where you add your authorized_keys file to the ldap database and it propagates it to all of the systems somehow. |
| 00:09.24 | grendal_prime | then your probably going to mount it in fstab anyway |
| 00:09.51 | grendal_prime | sounds like ad to me |
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| 00:10.24 | Ryan52 | grendal_prime: its not for me. We have a group of sysadmins at the organization I sysadmin at. We want to be able to say to an ldap database: "give bob access to elbow, ror and ryukin" and then he can use his ssh key to get into those machines. |
| 00:10.36 | Ryan52 | err, its not just for me |
| 00:11.10 | Ryan52 | currently we have a debian package with everybodies key in it that we install on all of our servers. But its messy and breaks sometimes. |
| 00:11.20 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: no need for script to copy key. there is one already, coming with ssh installation |
| 00:11.43 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.44 | Ryan52 | but I don't want to have to do that. It should just be there. And debian does it. |
| 00:12.06 | Ryan52 | always forgets the name of that script so he just does it manually :P |
| 00:12.08 | grendal_prime | ok..sorry i guess i missunderstood. |
| 00:12.33 | slxix | i enjoyed the discussion. |
| 00:12.50 | Monica_2_ | SeaPhor, i am on there |
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| 00:14.53 | haole | how do i change the default ruby interpreter from ruby1.8 to ruby1.9 under debian? |
| 00:15.41 | Ryan52 | haole: man update-alternatives |
| 00:15.52 | haole | Ryan52, thanks |
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| 00:16.13 | Ryan52 | haole: oh, I lied. (though I could swear I did that just last week) |
| 00:16.30 | Ryan52 | haole: rm /usr/bin/ruby; ln -s /usr/bin/ruby1.9 /usr/bin/ruby |
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| 00:18.03 | haole | Ryan52, yeah, you must be right cause i just did a update-alternatives --display ruby and it told me i had no alternatives |
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| 00:19.57 | Ryan52 | I guess they don't use alternatives for interpreters. (they dont for python either). I wonder why... |
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| 00:23.07 | keram | hello |
| 00:23.15 | haole | Ryan52, im trying to make a package for a software that uses ruby in the build process, but it needs ruby 1.9... when i did the change that u told me, the configure script will give me an error when verifying the ruby installation on my system... do u have any idea of why this is happening? |
| 00:23.58 | haole | Ryan52, http://pastebin.com/d42b36e9d |
| 00:24.02 | Ryan52 | haole: just use /usr/bin/ruby1.9 for your interpreter |
| 00:24.17 | haole | Ryan52, im doing that, but with 1.8 it works and 1.9 it doesn't |
| 00:24.37 | Ryan52 | oh. I see what you mean. |
| 00:25.15 | keram | i have tried compiling the cvs version of opencv with gcc 4.2.3 but i get an error with cvcap_ffmpeg.cpp. it seems that this error was reported a few days ago http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=482217. does anyone know if there is a fix for this? |
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| 00:33.58 | ma3x | is it possible to have svideo out on intel gma x3100 (gma965 chipset)? |
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| 00:39.28 | susanne-- | so i'm doing this: arj -v360 a arj *.iso, and i get "can't find susanne.iso" (which is in the directory). i get the same sort of error with zip. wtf? |
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| 00:40.57 | xci | hey guys, how can I set xterm default colors? |
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| 00:45.16 | slxix | susanne--: try ./*.iso ? |
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| 00:49.14 | susanne-- | slxix: same error. |
| 00:49.15 | PapaSmurf | I need help with an anicent-but-refuses-to-die Dell 4200. X only displays resoultuions up to 640x400 :( is that right? I tried to add a video card, and the system on POST uses it, but then locks up right after mem test. So my first question is, is 640x400 the max for the onboard video chip? |
| 00:49.46 | susanne-- | papasmurf: most of us will not know the native video resolution of your particular chip off the top of our heads. google is your friend. |
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| 00:50.15 | tanner | im curious, can i pass IP traffic through an interface without assigning an address to that interface? |
| 00:50.22 | susanne-- | tanner: no. |
| 00:50.32 | susanne-- | why would you want to? |
| 00:50.49 | tanner | because im using my debian box as a dynamips router |
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| 00:51.03 | tanner | which will pass traffic through a physical interface |
| 00:51.08 | tanner | which works! |
| 00:51.26 | tanner | but, i have to do ifconfig eth2 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0 before it will pass the traffic on |
| 00:52.45 | tanner | perhaps echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 00:54.07 | susanne-- | is there a way to break a bzip archive into multiple files? |
| 00:54.23 | Eulex | susanne--, 'split' |
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| 00:54.41 | Eulex | to rejoin the parts, simply use cat. |
| 00:54.50 | susanne-- | eulex ty |
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| 00:56.51 | obnauticus | Hey, can someone here help me mount a samba share, i used to know how, but for some reason now I forgot lol |
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| 00:59.09 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/1028412 <-- that happens. |
| 00:59.38 | obnauticus | dmesg reads: CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -22 |
| 01:00.45 | Lagbolt | cifs? hmm i use -t smbfs |
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| 01:01.23 | obnauticus | k |
| 01:01.28 | grendal_prime | i like cifs |
| 01:01.33 | obnauticus | same error |
| 01:01.33 | grendal_prime | handles big files |
| 01:01.42 | PapaSmurf | thx susanne. the debian issue is that the wrong driver settings are initially set. so, do I start looking at Debian video chip drivers, or somewhere in X, or in Gnome? xrandr only reeports that up to 640x400 are available. |
| 01:01.44 | obnauticus | well i do this now.. |
| 01:01.50 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/1028415 |
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| 01:02.09 | grendal_prime | if i try and rsync files larger than 2 gigs with smbfs it fails..if i mount it as cifs it works every time |
| 01:02.16 | obnauticus | oops |
| 01:02.18 | obnauticus | forgot to share it first lol |
| 01:02.31 | obnauticus | that would help |
| 01:02.39 | obnauticus | now i need to add it to errrrrrr |
| 01:03.04 | obnauticus | fstab |
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| 01:03.45 | tanner_ | anyone know why i have to do "ifconfig eth2 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.0" before the interface will pass traffic |
| 01:04.23 | tanner_ | or even how to issue that command every time a link goes down/up? |
| 01:05.04 | obnauticus | how do i restart fstab? |
| 01:05.08 | obnauticus | so it re-parses fstab |
| 01:05.13 | Lagbolt | mount -a |
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| 01:05.32 | Tyrant91101 | anyone know why dmesg might have blank output? |
| 01:05.43 | Tyrant91101 | and no my HD is not full, plenty of space left |
| 01:05.58 | tanner_ | check the logs |
| 01:06.05 | Tyrant91101 | logs are empty as well |
| 01:06.17 | tanner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.37 | Tyrant91101 | empty |
| 01:06.43 | tanner_ | interesting |
| 01:07.15 | Tyrant91101 | not from my perspective : / |
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| 01:07.41 | Tyrant91101 | there are also multiple files dmesg.1.gz, dmesg.2.gz, and etc. up to 4 |
| 01:07.44 | Lagbolt | Tyrant91101, what happens if you echo to logger? |
| 01:07.46 | Tyrant91101 | as well as one called dmesg.0 |
| 01:07.57 | Lagbolt | echo TEST LOGS | logger |
| 01:07.58 | Tyrant91101 | how do I do that? |
| 01:08.06 | Tyrant91101 | blank |
| 01:08.09 | Tyrant91101 | no output |
| 01:08.11 | Lagbolt | wow |
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| 01:08.19 | Bushmills | Tyrant91101: what is the date stamp of these empty log files? |
| 01:08.22 | Lagbolt | Tyrant91101, and df shows available space? |
| 01:08.27 | Tyrant91101 | yes it does |
| 01:08.31 | Lagbolt | can you make new files there? |
| 01:08.35 | Lagbolt | what if you "touch" them |
| 01:08.51 | Tyrant91101 | hold on i'll edit dmesg and then rerun it |
| 01:09.03 | Tyrant91101 | i can write to the files no problem |
| 01:09.23 | Tyrant91101 | ok i edited the dmesg file and reran dmesg, the edited dmesg remained there |
| 01:09.27 | Tyrant91101 | with the same text |
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| 01:09.48 | Tyrant91101 | are there any .deb's for dmesg? |
| 01:10.04 | Tyrant91101 | Bushmills, I don't know how to get the datestamp |
| 01:10.33 | Bushmills | Tyrant91101: too late, now that you have been writing to those |
| 01:10.34 | simonrvn | !find bin/dmesg |
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| 01:10.55 | simonrvn | there's /var/log/dmesg, that has the boot stuff in it |
| 01:11.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dmesg' (2): (/bin/dmesg) in utils/util-linux ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/bin/dmesg) in libs/klibc-utils. |
| 01:11.35 | Tyrant91101 | simonrvn, my /var/log/dmesg was blank |
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| 01:11.42 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:11.47 | simonrvn | odd |
| 01:12.52 | Tyrant91101 | Bushmills, the datestamp doesnt change after running dmesg |
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| 01:13.16 | Bushmills | Tyrant91101: you wrote to it. adding a line. that changed it. |
| 01:13.18 | simonrvn | dmesg is in util-linux, is what that ^^^ says |
| 01:13.53 | Tyrant91101 | Bushmills, I compared the datestamp after I wrote it and after calling dmesg again |
| 01:13.57 | Tyrant91101 | the datestamp was the same |
| 01:14.11 | Bushmills | maybe you could rename or delete the file, then reboot |
| 01:14.20 | Tyrant91101 | simonrvn, I'm doing it via remote console so no GUI |
| 01:14.28 | Bushmills | see whether you have an empty file, or none, then |
| 01:14.32 | Lagbolt | Tyrant91101, could reinstall logger? |
| 01:14.35 | simonrvn | what's a gui have to do with it? |
| 01:14.36 | Lagbolt | syslog i mean |
| 01:14.40 | Lagbolt | or what ever that package is called |
| 01:14.49 | Tyrant91101 | Lagbolt, is it in the apt-get repository? |
| 01:14.52 | Lagbolt | . . . syslogd |
| 01:14.56 | simonrvn | sysklogd iirc, is the default |
| 01:14.59 | Lagbolt | is that it? |
| 01:15.06 | simonrvn | whatever it's called =) |
| 01:15.11 | Tyrant91101 | sysklogd is already the newest version. |
| 01:15.17 | simonrvn | !info syslogd etch |
| 01:15.18 | Lagbolt | klogd maybe as well? |
| 01:15.21 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 01:15.41 | Lagbolt | Tyrant91101, did it used to work and it stopped or is it a new install? |
| 01:15.54 | Tyrant91101 | Lagbolt, it's a new install |
| 01:16.03 | Tyrant91101 | im restarting to see if it changes the dmesg file |
| 01:16.09 | Lagbolt | wierd |
| 01:16.15 | simonrvn | yeh, syslogd not running is what would stop the log version stopping |
| 01:16.30 | simonrvn | er, could be klogd even |
| 01:16.36 | Tyrant91101 | i did apt-get remove syslogd |
| 01:16.41 | Tyrant91101 | and it removed both that and klogd |
| 01:16.44 | Tyrant91101 | i'll reinstall them |
| 01:16.46 | Tyrant91101 | see what happens |
| 01:16.55 | Tyrant91101 | whats important though is that dmesg shows blank output as well |
| 01:17.18 | simonrvn | what's sysctl kernel.printk show? |
| 01:17.38 | Tyrant91101 | I'll check when system comes back online |
| 01:18.08 | simonrvn | if it's 4 4 1 7 then it's ok, that's the default |
| 01:18.19 | Lagbolt | Tyrant91101, did you purge them? maybe a config problem and it wouldnt be solved unless you purge the config files |
| 01:18.35 | Tyrant91101 | Lagbolt, i'll try purge when it comes online again |
| 01:18.38 | Lagbolt | Tyrant91101, what did you use to install this system? iso? bootstrap? |
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| 01:18.47 | Tyrant91101 | its an image for OpenVZ |
| 01:18.57 | Bushmills | Tyrant91101: is that etch or lenny? |
| 01:19.13 | Lagbolt | wtf is that? lol |
| 01:19.23 | Tyrant91101 | OpenVZ is for virtual servers |
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| 01:19.27 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 01:19.45 | Tyrant91101 | though it shouldn't be interfering with dmesg |
| 01:20.08 | Tyrant91101 | is syslogd somehow required by SSH |
| 01:20.08 | Tyrant91101 | ? |
| 01:20.12 | cockroach | hrm, i'm running kernel 2.6.22 (old, i know) and keep getting "ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting." - shouldn't those be gone since mid 2.6.1x? |
| 01:20.28 | Tyrant91101 | Nvm, system is online |
| 01:20.43 | Tyrant91101 | simonrvn, I get 7 4 1 7 |
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| 01:20.57 | Tyrant91101 | not 4 4 1 7 |
| 01:21.00 | simonrvn | ok, debug level, but that's ok |
| 01:21.49 | h4L1m | hello guys, i just installed debian (the first time, used ubuntu before) and don't know where i can get a good source list because i can't find anything with synaptic |
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| 01:21.57 | h4L1m | can someone help me please? :) |
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| 01:22.18 | Bushmills | !mirrors |
| 01:22.19 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 01:22.51 | h4L1m | yap that was it, i think, thank you Bushmills |
| 01:23.02 | Bushmills | yw |
| 01:25.55 | PapaSmurf | i am hung up on a new install while scanning a mirror (40% done)...for like two hours now. what should I do? |
| 01:26.16 | susanne-- | restart your install. |
| 01:26.24 | susanne-- | an hour and a half ago. |
| 01:26.34 | Tyrant91101 | how do I purge using apt-get? |
| 01:26.51 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 01:26.51 | dpkg | [aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 01:26.54 | beardy | --purge |
| 01:27.12 | Tyrant91101 | ty |
| 01:27.17 | PapaSmurf | no way to just abort that mirror and restart that step? |
| 01:27.41 | PapaSmurf | (I'm on my third mirror)..the others aborted out after a bit...ty |
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| 01:29.09 | Tyrant91101 | Ok can you guys suggest anything else I can do? |
| 01:29.22 | Tyrant91101 | remove and purge utils-linux didnt work |
| 01:29.29 | Tyrant91101 | remove and purge syslogd didnt eitehr |
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| 01:30.12 | Bushmills | Tyrant91101: etch or lenny? |
| 01:30.25 | Tyrant91101 | whats the normal way to check? |
| 01:30.33 | Tyrant91101 | dmesdg |
| 01:30.40 | Bushmills | check /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:30.57 | h4L1m | ok, i'm in austria so i took the austrian mirror, bu it seems that i need some other tools too, what do i have to write instead of stable or main in my source list to get them? |
| 01:31.11 | beardy | Tyrant91101: Why would you want to? |
| 01:31.12 | Tyrant91101 | etch |
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| 01:31.24 | Tyrant91101 | beardy why would i want to what? |
| 01:32.21 | beardy | Tyrant91101: Remove utils-linux (no such package) and syslogd. |
| 01:32.25 | Bushmills | h4L1m: "some other tools" you get from the sets which carry the some other tools which you need |
| 01:32.50 | Tyrant91101 | sorry its util-linux |
| 01:32.56 | Tyrant91101 | and its so that dmesg gets reinstall |
| 01:32.59 | Tyrant91101 | reisntalled |
| 01:33.12 | Tyrant91101 | Bushmills, I have etch |
| 01:33.34 | Deezire | dmesg outputs what information you get at boot, it's like a static file. |
| 01:33.34 | h4L1m | hmm the problem is for example that i can't install dkms |
| 01:33.47 | h4L1m | and don't know what to write in my source list |
| 01:34.00 | Tyrant91101 | Deezire, really? |
| 01:34.09 | h4L1m | and i need that to set up my graphic card driver |
| 01:34.16 | Bushmills | Tyrant91101: now, after the boot, have the logs files been recreated empty? or are they still void? |
| 01:34.19 | Tyrant91101 | I was told to do it so that I get info about why depmod (insmod) wont load the virtualbox kernel |
| 01:34.23 | h4L1m | what is a little complicated |
| 01:34.28 | Tyrant91101 | Bushmills, they have been recreated |
| 01:34.34 | Deezire | Tyrant91101: Atleast that was what I was told from some debian guru. |
| 01:34.54 | Tyrant91101 | but if Dmesg only shows bootup info then theres really no point to it, since openVZ doesnt go through the boot process like a normal PC |
| 01:35.12 | beardy | Tyrant91101: It shows certain things happening after boot too. |
| 01:35.22 | Tyrant91101 | and if thats the case, I just need to move on to my other problem: why does insmod refuse to load a .ko |
| 01:35.32 | Deezire | Tyrant91101: You should try out Xen instead. Higher performance and hell of alot more secure. |
| 01:35.44 | Tyrant91101 | Deezire, it's not my choice unfortunately : / |
| 01:35.49 | Deezire | And peice of cake to setup. |
| 01:35.54 | Deezire | Oh, poor you :) |
| 01:36.10 | Deezire | Xen is the Lexus of virtualization. |
| 01:36.45 | Tyrant91101 | ok well anyway, I guess dmesg doesnt run because of openVZ |
| 01:37.16 | Tyrant91101 | now I need to move onto another problem, why does insmod return "-1 Operation not permitted" when i try to load vboxdrv.ko? |
| 01:37.19 | PapaSmurf | sodio, if my video card supports 800x600, and xrandr reports that only 640x400 is the highest resolution availabe, where do I start? either my ATI mach 64 chipset was mis-identified during install, or I have a bad driver(?) |
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| 01:37.22 | Tyrant91101 | I'm logged in as root and still nothing |
| 01:37.44 | PapaSmurf | s/sodio/so |
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| 01:38.15 | Tyrant91101 | !find insmod |
| 01:38.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'insmod' (4 of 5): (/sbin/insmod) in admin/module-init-tools ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/bin/insmod) in libs/klibc-utils ;; (/usr/include/clips/insmoddp.h) in libdevel/libclips-dev ;; (/usr/share/systemimager/boot/ia64/standard/initrd_template/sbin/insmod) in admin/systemimager-boot-ia64-standard. |
| 01:39.10 | susanne-- | rsync sorta rox. i can't get it to save partially-downloaded files, but at least it resumes without having to redo files. |
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| 01:43.20 | dbmoodb | hi ah my root partition is encrypted and is 6.6 gb |
| 01:43.34 | dbmoodb | it is now full can i move dirs to other paritions i have ? |
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| 01:43.43 | dbmoodb | ---- i m not sure what is using up all the gb |
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| 01:43.59 | Guerin | be sure |
| 01:44.34 | dbmoodb | how can i show what is installed by its size ? |
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| 01:45.28 | akio | wazzup |
| 01:45.37 | akio | i love you guys |
| 01:45.57 | markybob | dbmoodb, baobab |
| 01:46.09 | akio | ? |
| 01:46.30 | dbmoodb | on root ? |
| 01:46.41 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 01:46.53 | dbmoodb | not a bad idea |
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| 01:47.52 | akio | i have been javing issues with network-manager handling my b only pc-card |
| 01:48.07 | dbmoodb | broadcom ? |
| 01:48.12 | akio | nope |
| 01:48.22 | akio | that works fine, thats what im using |
| 01:48.30 | dbmoodb | what so what is your b only pc-card |
| 01:48.49 | akio | wpc11 ver3 linksys instant wireless pc-card |
| 01:49.10 | akio | it an old laptop but lenny runs smooth on it it |
| 01:49.16 | akio | * |
| 01:49.19 | dbmoodb | lspci -v |
| 01:49.30 | akio | im booting it, brb |
| 01:50.01 | akio | i don't know what logs to check for issues |
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| 01:51.22 | dbmoodb | akio but the wifi works for some parts ? |
| 01:51.39 | dbmoodb | pehf i found my problem had a few large things in /root/ |
| 01:51.48 | akio | it works without network manager |
| 01:51.54 | dbmoodb | so don't use network manager ? |
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| 01:52.05 | akio | what to use instead? |
| 01:52.14 | dbmoodb | .... wifi radar is ok |
| 01:52.35 | dbmoodb | oh bab... crashed |
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| 01:53.06 | akio | i have to use iwconfig and dhclient |
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| 01:54.21 | dbmoodb | akio: with wpa ? how do you do that ? |
| 01:54.53 | akio | no wpa |
| 01:54.59 | akio | don't need wpa |
| 01:55.05 | akio | i dont even use wep |
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| 01:55.16 | akio | i use mac filter and no ssid broadcast |
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| 01:55.39 | akio | its at my home so no real needto worry |
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| 01:56.35 | akio | lspci -v doesn't give me any useful output other than the CardBus bridge |
| 01:56.54 | akio | and it's a TI PCI 1211 |
| 01:57.02 | akio | (texas intruments) |
| 01:57.21 | akio | it's an old latitude ls but it is tiny and cute |
| 01:57.31 | akio | you can fit it in your backpocket |
| 01:57.40 | vinc456 | i'm unable to access my router and am wondering if there is a command to find the address (ie: it's always been http://192.168.0.01/) |
| 01:57.43 | akio | i really lust for the eeepc |
| 01:58.01 | Lagbolt | eeepc is nice |
| 01:58.19 | Lagbolt | works so nice, great for bars with wifi |
| 01:58.20 | vinc456 | i've tried resetting the router, (the power, not the hardware reset) the modem and the computers but it seems to have stopped broadcasting |
| 01:58.22 | akio | the new 900 uses the whole screen |
| 01:58.47 | Lagbolt | akio, yeah but now you cant put the gps antenna next to it lol |
| 01:58.57 | akio | ? |
| 01:59.07 | Lagbolt | akio, that crazy dude who modded his eeepc |
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| 02:00.28 | Lagbolt | akio, like 12 mods, http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades |
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| 02:03.30 | Lagbolt | sup aquaman |
| 02:03.38 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 02:03.52 | akio | holy crap those mods are out of my league |
| 02:04.03 | Lagbolt | akio, yeah ridiculous right |
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| 02:04.13 | h2oman | :) |
| 02:04.16 | akio | i burned an old x-box with my stupidity buyng one of those cold-solder guns |
| 02:04.24 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 02:04.30 | akio | it wasn't funny |
| 02:04.36 | akio | i'm poor and it was sad |
| 02:04.36 | Tyrant91101 | :) |
| 02:04.39 | Lagbolt | akio, i am toying with eeepc, but since keyboard is small thinking bout the hp mininote |
| 02:04.48 | Lagbolt | but the mininote has broadcom :( |
| 02:05.32 | Lagbolt | better keyboard is nice but overall width a lil bigger. hard drive vs flash . . . to many options lol |
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| 02:05.36 | Lagbolt | cant decide |
| 02:06.05 | akio | i have a broadcom 4311 on a compaq dv6105nr and it is smooth as crapola |
| 02:06.21 | Lagbolt | akio, i have same card, not so great if you are on wpa enterprise |
| 02:06.23 | akio | using the new mac80211 in kernel |
| 02:06.29 | Lagbolt | akio, which driver you using? |
| 02:06.33 | akio | i haven't tried wpa |
| 02:06.40 | akio | b43 |
| 02:06.50 | akio | the one that it auto-downloads |
| 02:06.55 | Lagbolt | yeah, i had no luck with wpa enterprise, think it does ok with wpa personal |
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| 02:09.40 | cockroach | hey, small question: i'm streaming a video using vlc -I dummy --sout udp://$dest_host - does anyone know (how) i can limit the data transfer rate for that stream? |
| 02:10.40 | akio | that sounds like a vlc only question |
| 02:10.53 | akio | i tried that but gave up |
| 02:11.19 | akio | i want to get familiar with pulse audio, that seems really nice |
| 02:11.25 | cockroach | yes, i asked in #videolan first but got no answer so i figured maybe somebody in here knows :) |
| 02:11.44 | akio | check the forums? |
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| 02:11.56 | akio | im no vlc pro |
| 02:11.58 | cockroach | no luck so far, but i guess i'll continue |
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| 02:13.15 | akio | vlc has manpages doesn't it? |
| 02:13.40 | cockroach | it does, they're not particularly noob-friendly though. |
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| 02:14.33 | click170_ | cockroach: for an overkill solution you could use tcng |
| 02:14.40 | akio | http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/streaming-howto-en.html |
| 02:15.15 | akio | so wifi-radar, how do i use it generally? |
| 02:15.22 | akio | is it a systray thing? |
| 02:15.28 | cockroach | click170_: sounds interesting, thanks |
| 02:15.34 | akio | do i have to mess with group permissions? |
| 02:15.46 | cockroach | akio: thanks, let's see how that goes :) |
| 02:17.16 | akio | wifi-radar reports that my device doesnt support scanning |
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| 02:18.23 | epsas | ughh... |
| 02:18.25 | akio | but then at the end it says no wifi-device is found |
| 02:18.35 | akio | apparently i'm an idiot somewhere |
| 02:19.11 | epsas | i am having a heck of a time getting nvidia to work on my laptop (using etch and the instructions at wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 02:20.03 | epsas | does anybody know of another page with instructions on using nvidia on etch? |
| 02:20.08 | akio | epsas: what do you want form the driver? |
| 02:20.14 | akio | fancy compiz? |
| 02:20.31 | epsas | akio - i want it to startx =) |
| 02:20.37 | akio | really |
| 02:20.39 | akio | ouch |
| 02:20.44 | akio | hmm |
| 02:20.50 | JyZyXEL | seriosly ppl are asking 16euros for 128MB SDRAM 133 |
| 02:21.02 | akio | dpkg --reconfigure xserver or something like that? |
| 02:21.03 | dpkg | akio: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:21.13 | akio | lol |
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| 02:21.35 | genetimorphic | what do i need to do in order to install iptables? |
| 02:21.37 | genetimorphic | http://pastebin.com/d6e143756 |
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| 02:22.58 | stew | genetimorphic: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 02:23.12 | genetimorphic | 2.6.21.4-eeepc |
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| 02:23.36 | stew | oh, not debian then? |
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| 02:24.01 | genetimorphic | well... /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 02:24.20 | stew | genetimorphic: try #eeepc |
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| 02:26.51 | Sebo | hi!! how can I deny usage of password based autentyfication with ssh only for one user??? |
| 02:27.42 | markybob | Sebo, you dont want that user to be able to login at all? |
| 02:28.31 | Sebo | I'dlike him to be able to log in using RSA based auth |
| 02:29.17 | Sebo | but still be able tu autentificate by password at apache |
| 02:29.31 | Sebo | s/tu/to/ |
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| 02:33.20 | Tramp | Sebo: man sshd_config, look for "Match". I think you need at least lenny. |
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| 02:45.50 | epsas | okay - i am going to try the NVIDIA installer from their website |
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| 02:46.45 | JyZyXEL | epsas tell me if you figure out how to trick it to work |
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| 02:48.40 | simonrvn | i wouldn't use it, it moves stuff around without asking, and doesn't tell you where it put them... it also makes it difficult to clean up after it. better to use the "nvidia one-liner". |
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| 02:52.28 | freebird | you guys, I've a very new intel mother board DP35DPM, I'm trying to install debian etch on that box, using different kinds of cd roms, and different bios configurations, and the setup wont recognize my cdrom, what can I do about it you guys please |
| 02:53.09 | Paivakil | freebird: means? can you boot from the CD? |
| 02:53.24 | freebird | Paivakil, yeah, it boots from the cd normally |
| 02:53.39 | simonrvn | 2 |
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| 02:54.17 | pab | Hey all. I got an old Pentium III 128mb ram pc running testing 2.6.18 but it fails to upgrade. Debianutils, passwd and libuuid seem to be the problem. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 02:54.32 | simonrvn | 1 |
| 02:55.06 | freebird | Paivakil, what do you suggest |
| 02:55.17 | simonrvn | 0 |
| 02:55.21 | Paivakil | did you ask google first? |
| 02:55.35 | freebird | yeah, I did it |
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| 02:56.02 | freebird | Paivakil, can you help me please |
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| 02:56.38 | Paivakil | have you passed any parameters to the kernel at boot time? and which CD are you using? etch? Sarge? some testing version? |
| 02:57.07 | freebird | Paivakil, etch, and I haven't passed any parameters so far, |
| 02:57.58 | freebird | Paivakil, I did try thru the debian setup to locate the cdrom under /dev/hda, sda, hdb, sdb, etc |
| 02:58.09 | Paivakil | google tells me that "linux users have to download this driver", but I am waiting for the URLS to resolve |
| 02:58.24 | Paivakil | :) |
| 02:58.29 | simonrvn | your dns is probably out of whack |
| 02:58.37 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:59.04 | Paivakil | no - I am on 64KBPS, and doing the weekly upgrade of my sid |
| 02:59.12 | simonrvn | oooh :/ |
| 02:59.29 | Paivakil | we call it "broadband" in India, and I call it boredband |
| 02:59.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:01.02 | freebird | Paivakil, man, can you help me please |
| 03:01.07 | freebird | Paivakil, what should I do |
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| 03:01.25 | Paivakil | freebird: wait a minit |
| 03:01.32 | freebird | Paivakil, sure, np |
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| 03:02.14 | Paivakil | what does lspci say, and if you can please try with one of the ISOs from "unstable" |
| 03:02.17 | liable | freebird: so you put it in compatability mode in bios? |
| 03:02.26 | chicobento | clientes bons são os malas que nem dá pena de cobrar hauihaua |
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| 03:02.44 | liable | dont use an unstable one, use a kmuto/etchandahalf one |
| 03:03.03 | dbmoodb | hi the script for debian lenny to get css working isn't there ... - i am in australia it is legal for me to bypass the protection anyone got any ideas ? |
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| 03:03.26 | Paivakil | duh, "if you are using linux, you have download the driver for the ethernet card" |
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| 03:04.33 | freebird | liable, I've tryed ata/ide mode native, legacy, SATA as IDE, AHCE, RAID, which is the correct one |
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| 03:04.50 | Paivakil | pab: did you check the bts? (debian bug tracking system)? |
| 03:05.00 | freebird | liable, the cdrom uses the flat cable IDE, normally |
| 03:05.22 | Paivakil | pab: install the "reportbug" package and use the "querybts" command |
| 03:05.34 | liable | freebird: have you tried a installer with newer kernel? |
| 03:06.15 | Paivakil | freebird: ata/ide cdrom, right? |
| 03:06.18 | freebird | liable, yeah, knoppix boots ok, so does slackware |
| 03:06.24 | freebird | Paivakil, right |
| 03:07.33 | madrazr | I have a small question regarding package management, where should I ask? Can I ask here? |
| 03:07.51 | mimcpher | Here should be fine |
| 03:08.15 | Paivakil | freebird: there is an option to install modules somewhere in the installation process? |
| 03:08.17 | liable | !kmuto |
| 03:08.17 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:08.26 | liable | freebird: ^^ get one from there |
| 03:08.46 | pab | Paivakil, no didn't think of that will do |
| 03:08.59 | freebird | Paivakil, not that i remeber man |
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| 03:09.13 | Paivakil | pab: and it helps if you tell us what exactly the error message is / was |
| 03:09.55 | Paivakil | freebird: there is, and try; else try modprobe from another tty |
| 03:10.37 | freebird | liable, even if I did, I wouldn't know what to do with the kernel, |
| 03:10.47 | Paivakil | freebird: there is an option to insert kernel modules somewhere in the installation screen. (have not installed debian for a loooong time) |
| 03:10.53 | robocop101 | !envy |
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| 03:11.36 | freebird | hm, where should I look for that kind of modules |
| 03:11.44 | pab | Paivakil, hmm, tried to install. This is the error: libuuid1: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 03:11.45 | liable | freebird: its an installer with a newer kernel, you just use it like the normal ones |
| 03:11.55 | freebird | oh, I see |
| 03:12.52 | Paivakil | liable: if it is a problem with not loaded modules, it likely that the newer kernel too uses the same initrd config |
| 03:12.59 | mimcpher | I'm running KDE on Debian. I've got a weird problem: Sometimes, my keyboard goes "funky". Keypresses are duplicated, and only after holding it down for like two seconds. Restarting X fixes it, which makes me suspect it isn't a hardware issue. |
| 03:13.08 | Paivakil | liable: i may be wrong though |
| 03:13.10 | freebird | liable, the newest kernel says that it comes with ubuntu firware, what is that |
| 03:13.38 | liable | freebird: its for wireless, you can ignore it, or see etch and a half |
| 03:13.46 | Paivakil | mimcpher: change the keyboard repeat rate |
| 03:13.51 | liable | !etch and a half |
| 03:13.56 | liable | meh |
| 03:14.02 | liable | !etchandahalf |
| 03:14.02 | dpkg | from memory, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 03:14.15 | PapaSmurf | can someone please tell me a US installation mirror that is presently working well right now? my install is hanging when it gets to the "scanning mirror" step. I am in Georgia, and have tried the gatech and mit but no go. help!? thx. |
| 03:14.22 | mimcpher | Paivakil: It only happens sometimes ... I don't see how the repeat rate should be set. |
| 03:14.47 | Paivakil | start menu > peripherals > keyboard |
| 03:15.16 | dbmoodb | ok this is weird |
| 03:15.23 | dbmoodb | i can just copy paste the files from my dvd... |
| 03:15.43 | dbmoodb | something is broken tho |
| 03:15.47 | Paivakil | PapaSmurf: try http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 03:17.35 | freebird | liable, man, I'm confused now, etch and a half or the link you have showed to me from kmuto |
| 03:17.43 | dbmoodb | oh well i might have to move back to etch... |
| 03:18.10 | liable | freebird: either, i'd try etch and a half first |
| 03:18.13 | dbmoodb | freebird: etch for newer hardware that needs newer kernel |
| 03:18.32 | dbmoodb | etch and a half i meant |
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| 03:32.00 | PapaSmurf | new installer here: ok, so it is hanging at 40%, and says Scanning the mirror... - give it a half hour? |
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| 03:32.55 | Paivakil | PapaSmurf: exit the scan for mirror stage, and add the link I gave earlier by hand into /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:33.40 | Paivakil | "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main" should get you going |
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| 03:37.09 | PapaSmurf | I thought ftp.us.debian.org was the first on the list...but maybe not the /debian/... |
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| 03:39.28 | Paivakil | PapaSmurf: the principle is simple - if the automatic scan does not work, try manual editing of the /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 03:39.39 | Rusty1 | wonders if apt-spy ships with the installer |
| 03:40.43 | Joelito | I don't know if my question belongs here, but in this debian+gnome etch box the system sounds aren't play. I can play mp3 with xmms and see the trailers with sounds, but somehow the login sounds doesn't reproduce. I have the gnome-audio package. Any ideas? |
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| 03:41.29 | Paivakil | Joelito: enable system sounds in gnome control panel or something like that |
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| 03:41.44 | Joelito | Paivakil: I did :( |
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| 03:42.14 | Paivakil | dunno then. probably you can create a new user and try logging in as the newuser? |
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| 03:42.47 | Joelito | I will try ask @ gnome |
| 03:42.48 | ghosTM55 | hi all , how to setup adsl connection in businesscard install? |
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| 03:44.40 | ghosTM55 | hi all , how to setup adsl connection in businesscard install? |
| 03:47.02 | Paivakil | ghosTM55: during the install process? |
| 03:47.07 | Joelito | anyone is using gnome-art from etch? Seems that I can't connnect to the site. |
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| 03:47.37 | ghosTM55 | Paivakil: yeah , it just detected the dhcp and i set up the host name , don't know how to connect to internet via adsl |
| 03:47.59 | ghosTM55 | Paivakil: i entered the console but didn't find the utils like pppoeconf |
| 03:48.07 | akio | ok im back |
| 03:48.21 | ghosTM55 | Paivakil: u know , it has to download the mirror info |
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| 03:48.48 | Paivakil | "it detected the dhcp" means the network is up and running? |
| 03:49.39 | ghosTM55 | Paivakil: dhcp is detected , it's up , but not running |
| 03:50.12 | Paivakil | check output of ifconfig |
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| 03:51.23 | ghosTM55 | Paivakil: i got the solution , thx for help |
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| 03:51.45 | Paivakil | np |
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| 03:52.04 | adv_ | any easy to use cli email clients?not pine or mutt. |
| 03:52.26 | wwasher | adv_ : you mean, besides "mail"? |
| 03:52.47 | adv_ | yes |
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| 03:53.20 | Paivakil | adv_: gnus |
| 03:53.47 | Paivakil | run emacs from X and you still have a cli email client :) |
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| 03:54.28 | sodio | anyone know how my debian machine would be automatically assigning itself an ip address? I specified a static address but it's being ignored... I think there's some sort of reverse dns lookup going on |
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| 03:54.48 | sodio | google's not helping |
| 03:55.06 | ReKlip1 | I used the fglrx one-liner to install fgrlx, which uses module assistant. How do I go about upgrading fglrx once a new version is released with m-a? |
| 03:56.07 | ReKlip1 | !fglrx one-liner |
| 03:56.07 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:01.21 | billy12 | ssh-keygen is still making bad keys |
| 04:01.54 | billy12 | ofter update |
| 04:01.58 | billy12 | *after |
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| 04:03.09 | Baloo | Why would curl die with exit code 2 as normal user but work as root? |
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| 04:05.07 | markybob | Baloo, lack of permissions in PWD? |
| 04:05.09 | Dewi | billy12: how do you know they are bad? |
| 04:05.34 | Baloo | markybob: Nope, I can write to my home... |
| 04:06.11 | markybob | no error? just exit code? |
| 04:06.11 | Baloo | RIght |
| 04:06.11 | billy12 | ssh says something about them being blacklisted and to see ssh-vulkey(1) when it started |
| 04:06.46 | markybob | Baloo, not sure, but maybe you'll get luckier in #curl |
| 04:06.59 | billy12 | i dont know the exact code, the server is at another location and working w. some1 over the phone |
| 04:07.07 | Dewi | billy12: have you updated all packages? |
| 04:07.11 | billy12 | yea |
| 04:07.19 | billy12 | even a dist-upgrade |
| 04:07.38 | billy12 | debian stable |
| 04:07.38 | markybob | sure it's a good mirror? updated? which version of libssl-dev ? |
| 04:08.12 | billy12 | Columbia in NYC is the mirror |
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| 04:08.30 | markybob | which version? |
| 04:08.34 | akio | is anyone using linux-wlan-ng here? |
| 04:08.39 | genetimorphic | columbia is in south america silly >< |
| 04:08.45 | markybob | heh |
| 04:08.51 | akio | apparently its made for my card but i don't use it |
| 04:08.59 | Roger_PapaSmurf | shouldn't apt give up after awhile? |
| 04:09.08 | akio | been having trouble with my card and i wonder if it will help |
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| 04:09.51 | Samonoske | http://pastebin.com/d5eaab4a6 Anyone have any ideas on how I can fix the permissions |
| 04:09.57 | billy12 | how do you check the version |
| 04:10.03 | markybob | billy12, dpkg -l libssl-dev |
| 04:10.42 | rking | is it possible to use the on-board graphics card while you have an actual graphics card in? |
| 04:10.48 | rking | (and in use i mean - for dual monitors) |
| 04:11.01 | billy12 | markybob: 0.9.8g-7 |
| 04:11.12 | markybob | uh |
| 04:11.17 | markybob | you said debian stable |
| 04:11.20 | markybob | that's not debian stable |
| 04:11.21 | billy12 | yea |
| 04:11.49 | billy12 | should be but other "linux" ppl use it so |
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| 04:12.10 | billy12 | they might have done something |
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| 04:12.46 | markybob | billy12, then go yell at them. not much we can do unless you know what you're running |
| 04:12.50 | Roger_PapaSmurf | rking - I know in xrandr you can change displays via -d 2 |
| 04:12.55 | billy12 | dam |
| 04:13.07 | billy12 | can i manually add the rite version |
| 04:13.39 | Paivakil | akio: !ask |
| 04:13.57 | akio | ? |
| 04:14.06 | Paivakil | !ask |
| 04:14.07 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:14.16 | markybob | billy12, no. you're running a version that's too new for etch and too old for lenny. which probably means you're using ubuntu |
| 04:14.34 | akio | well i have been using iwconfig and dhclient and so far wifi-radar and network-manager don't play well with it |
| 04:14.57 | akio | dpkg pastebin |
| 04:14.57 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 04:15.10 | billy12 | no, this a server, debian net install |
| 04:15.35 | markybob | billy12, dpkg -l libc6 |
| 04:16.23 | billy12 | sec, the server is some else, im working w. some1 over the phone |
| 04:16.30 | billy12 | *some where |
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| 04:16.57 | billy12 | markybob: thnx for the help so far |
| 04:17.03 | akio | http://pastebin.ca/1028530 |
| 04:17.16 | akio | that is the output of lspcmcia -v |
| 04:17.38 | akio | that card works with linux-wlan-ng i think |
| 04:17.51 | billy12 | markybob: libc6 is 2.7-9 |
| 04:18.04 | markybob | that's not debian stable or lenny and you said you had an updated box. someone's not giving you the total picture needed to fix something as version specific as this |
| 04:18.05 | akio | but i don't know how to use it to get wifi-radar and network-manager functionality |
| 04:18.51 | billy12 | so my best beat would be a fresh install at this point or live w/ bad keys? |
| 04:19.05 | markybob | yes. and never let anyone else admin your server |
| 04:19.10 | rking | Roger_PapaSmurf: i'm not exactly seeing the connection between xrandr and the simultaneous use of two graphics cards (one on-board, one AGP) |
| 04:19.10 | wwasher | is there a bluetooth setup / guide somewhere in /usr/share/doc/ that i havent seen yet? all it seems like i've found are readme's and changelogs. |
| 04:19.15 | markybob | billy12, you need to be in control and know what's going on |
| 04:20.34 | wwasher | .... and all the notes I've seen so far are related to either an older version or are howto compile bluez into the kernel. i'm trying to pair some devices |
| 04:20.34 | billy12 | well, its not *my* server, it the server for the small company i work for, but im i use ubuntu desktop and have experience w/ debian so i get to admin the server |
| 04:20.46 | Samonoske | Hey the permissions of one my directories is webx and the permissions of a subdirectory is 1080 how do i get the 1080 to become webx |
| 04:21.08 | markybob | billy12, use this as an excuse to only allow you to have root. |
| 04:21.22 | markybob | billy12, too many hands in the pot |
| 04:21.29 | wwasher | Samonoske : besides `chmod`? |
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| 04:21.44 | Samonoske | wwasher how would i use it to change it? |
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| 04:21.52 | Paivakil | /usr/share/doc/bluez-utils/FAQ.gz |
| 04:21.57 | billy12 | i do have root, the problem is the programmers allways want to install something and break stuff |
| 04:22.10 | billy12 | dam sudo |
| 04:22.18 | markybob | apt-get remove sudo :P |
| 04:22.35 | billy12 | lol |
| 04:22.48 | martman | anyone happen to know of a package that would serve up a 'library' of pdfs for apache? maybe even let you tag things |
| 04:22.50 | replaceafill | hi everybody. we need to hire a VPS service at work. could anybody please recommend one which uses debian as OS? thanks |
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| 04:23.28 | The_PHP_Jedi | replaceafill, Slicehost. |
| 04:23.30 | wwasher | Samonoske : er, chgrp, probably, and chgrp webx file, is roughly how man describes it |
| 04:23.42 | wwasher | paivakil : thanks, i'll look |
| 04:23.55 | markybob | replaceafill, what are your requirements? |
| 04:23.56 | replaceafill | The_PHP_Jedi, thanks looking it up right now |
| 04:24.24 | wwasher | markybob : maybe he'd be better off to just "fix" /etc/sudoers |
| 04:24.26 | replaceafill | markybob, well, we need a web server with 1 GB RAM |
| 04:24.59 | replaceafill | markybob, CPU is not that important, neither is storage space |
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| 04:25.53 | PumpkinPie | nothing is important |
| 04:25.54 | markybob | replaceafill, check this out (i have multiple servers with this company) http://www.server4you.com/us/dedicated/showplan.php?products=3 |
| 04:26.00 | PumpkinPie | thats the only important thing to remmeber |
| 04:26.30 | wwasher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:27.01 | markybob | replaceafill, that's full dedicated for the price of most virtuals. definitely worth it |
| 04:27.25 | replaceafill | markybob, thanks i'm checking their website right now |
| 04:28.08 | PumpkinPie | that is obviously not nearly the price of a "virtual" server |
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| 04:28.42 | Rusty1 | replaceafill: http://www.linode.com/ dunno but guy in local lug touts them |
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| 04:28.58 | PumpkinPie | markybob do you use one of those calculators that has had its buttons switched around |
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| 04:29.20 | The_PHP_Jedi | I've heard great things of Linode, but haven't tried them myself. |
| 04:29.24 | replaceafill | Rusty1, thanks yeah somebody recommended them some weeks ago |
| 04:29.24 | markybob | obviously i dont mean general virtual hosting, but vps, like he asked. |
| 04:29.52 | PumpkinPie | you pay like 15 to 20 dollars for a VPS |
| 04:29.57 | PumpkinPie | are you cracked out of your mind? |
| 04:30.02 | PumpkinPie | how do you do your math? |
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| 04:30.30 | debian2_6_24_1am | if using ifplugd can i allow-hotplug wlan0 |
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| 04:31.28 | Gryfelhase | just another question: The *.debs in var/cache/archiv are not needed, they are just cached, to spare cderom-access/inet-bandwidth ? |
| 04:31.33 | markybob | PumpkinPie, http://www.slicehost.com/ take a look at 1GB slice, which is what he asked for. $70. that's the same price |
| 04:31.49 | akio | ok |
| 04:32.01 | markybob | PumpkinPie, sure you can get cheap companies that'll get you screwed in the end |
| 04:32.02 | PumpkinPie | oh ok he needs more space, ram, etc etc ok.. |
| 04:32.11 | debian2_6_24_1am | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.49 | akio | every time i try to use network-manager or wifi-radar my machine takes a dump |
| 04:33.03 | Samonoske | wwasher thanks |
| 04:33.22 | akio | but i want to browse ssid's that i don't know about |
| 04:33.30 | akio | is there a command line scanner? |
| 04:33.39 | replaceafill | markybob, could you point out some of those screwing companies? :) |
| 04:34.03 | markybob | replaceafill, yes. webfaction and dreamhost |
| 04:34.09 | debian2_6_24_1am | im using ndiswrapper it dosent catch everytime so i have to modprobe -r ndiswrapper and then modprobe it |
| 04:34.12 | replaceafill | :O |
| 04:34.34 | PumpkinPie | repalceafill: you can't use a webhosting package ? |
| 04:35.16 | billy12 | markybob: thank you for all your help, although i didnt fix the problem, i now know y the problem is there and that all most as good |
| 04:35.17 | replaceafill | PumpkinPie, i need to install software that i can't find in any webhosting package |
| 04:35.23 | replaceafill | PumpkinPie, like python eggs |
| 04:35.30 | markybob | billy12, np. good luck |
| 04:35.45 | PumpkinPie | replaceafill: what is that |
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| 04:36.02 | Rusty1 | akio: iwspy, perhaps |
| 04:36.03 | markybob | PumpkinPie, it's like jar, but for python instead of java |
| 04:36.11 | akio | thanks |
| 04:36.15 | billy12 | markybob: thnx, do you think updateing to lenny would fix my issue? |
| 04:36.27 | replaceafill | PumpkinPie, yeah |
| 04:36.28 | markybob | billy12, a full update to lenny should, yes |
| 04:36.49 | billy12 | i had the same "should" |
| 04:37.35 | markybob | i'm assuming it really is a debian box, and not some bastardized ubuntu, which upgrading to lenny would probably break it badly |
| 04:37.55 | Roger_PapaSmurf | Oktane, so I have booted into my systema and the rtfm says to ask here. so, this is a FAQ. I now want to connect to the internet. Where is the document on that? |
| 04:37.58 | billy12 | yea, no ubuntu on that server |
| 04:38.57 | Roger_PapaSmurf | something along the lines of confirm your ip address, ping something, dlint google.com, and if not, do this or that. then fire up a browser and bingo. |
| 04:39.01 | The_PHP_Jedi | Hm. running 'module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper' returns a dependency error: 'ndiswrapper-modules... depends on ndiswrapper-utils-1.9', but when attemtping to install 'ndiswrapper-utils-1.9', it says it needs 'libc6'. When attempting to install libc6, it says it's already installed. :-/ |
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| 04:39.45 | akio | Rusty1: iwspy isn't in the repos is it? |
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| 04:40.41 | robocop101 | Any ideas or links as to installing Debian Envy? |
| 04:40.54 | Rusty1 | akio: part of wireless-tools IIRC |
| 04:41.06 | markybob | uh, debian envy? wtf? |
| 04:41.07 | akio | oh thanks |
| 04:42.37 | Paivakil | robocop101: what? |
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| 04:43.02 | markybob | that sounds like a bad joke |
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| 04:43.54 | billy12 | markybob: prof its debian http://hps.aonic.net/sys/ |
| 04:44.28 | markybob | billy12, paste your sources.list |
| 04:44.40 | markybob | it'll give us a better idea |
| 04:44.45 | billy12 | lol, i just looked, it bad |
| 04:44.51 | markybob | :P |
| 04:44.57 | robocop101 | Paivakil, .its a way of installing the correct drivers for nvidia and ati cards.google Installing Envy On Debian and you will see what I mean |
| 04:45.08 | billy12 | stuff is commented out |
| 04:45.35 | billy12 | all sources have diff mirrors |
| 04:45.58 | markybob | billy12, figured. too many hands :P |
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| 04:46.34 | akio | iwlist scanning is really cool |
| 04:46.46 | akio | i just picked up two invisible networks |
| 04:46.51 | Paivakil | robocop101: for a moment, we were thinking of "debian woody", "debian etch" and "debian lenny". |
| 04:47.01 | robocop101 | !apptitude |
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| 04:47.29 | Paivakil | and "apt-cache search envy" does not give any answer here |
| 04:47.30 | Guerin | !speling |
| 04:47.30 | dpkg | spelling is quantitative; not qualitative |
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| 04:48.08 | robocop101 | Paivakil, .well its therer.but sometimes its a little vague for installing in certain areas.I just wondered if there were better sites |
| 04:49.33 | Paivakil | vague in what areas? |
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| 04:51.43 | stiv2k | is there a way I can reconfigure my dovecot-server thru dpkg? |
| 04:51.44 | stiv2k | for example, the SSL/TLS certs are expired. |
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| 04:52.21 | robocop101 | Paivakil, .well after a certain point.you get envy in the menus.it installs the drivers fro whatever card you are using.but then theres error messages on setting up.seems like theres more neeeded to do in terminla before you nsatll envy |
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| 04:53.58 | akio | if a machine just suddenly grinds to a slow creep is there a way to get it back? and is there a log i should pay attention to specifically? |
| 04:54.33 | stiv2k | akio: you ever look at `top`? |
| 04:54.45 | akio | i can't get to top when it slows |
| 04:54.54 | markybob | it depends. is it a dos attack? |
| 04:54.58 | akio | even text mode is unresponsive |
| 04:55.02 | stiv2k | are you accessing it remotely? |
| 04:55.09 | akio | nope |
| 04:55.13 | akio | im in front of it |
| 04:55.58 | akio | it is a latitude ls with lenny and a linksys wpc11 ver 3 pcmcia network adaptor |
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| 04:56.22 | akio | i removed network-manager because it would cause it to freeze regularly |
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| 04:57.15 | akio | this little pcmcia card is giving me all kinds of trouble but it is a supported prism |
| 04:57.43 | akio | i don't have any idea what is hanging it |
| 04:58.17 | markybob | nothing in syslog? |
| 04:58.30 | akio | how do i check syslog from command |
| 04:58.40 | markybob | cat /var/log/syslog |more |
| 04:58.47 | akio | * | more |
| 04:58.49 | akio | got it |
| 04:58.54 | Paivakil | akio: tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 04:59.01 | akio | or that |
| 04:59.13 | markybob | that might not be enough. tail by default shows only 10 lines |
| 04:59.14 | akio | tail is the end of it right? |
| 04:59.23 | markybob | yes |
| 04:59.25 | akio | its been happening all day |
| 04:59.57 | akio | i was so proud to resurrect this little thing |
| 05:00.24 | Paivakil | akio: why not try "grep -i error /var/log/syslog"? |
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| 05:01.38 | akio | the syslog is huge |
| 05:01.59 | Paivakil | that is why search it for the word "error" |
| 05:02.29 | wwasher | akio : but `tail -f` will make it keep printing output to console as it happens |
| 05:02.58 | Paivakil | use "-CX" option, replace X with a number to get the Context |
| 05:03.27 | akio | thats for inserting hardware and the like |
| 05:03.31 | akio | like testing usb |
| 05:03.45 | akio | i did that for gnome's volume manager |
| 05:03.59 | akio | thats a cool trick |
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| 05:06.07 | akio | but if i do that tail -f while ssh'd i can pick up the error! |
| 05:06.13 | akio | aha! |
| 05:07.10 | akio | got it |
| 05:08.00 | akio | holy crap its bugging out |
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| 05:10.53 | akio | ok its locked up hard and there are no new messages in the syslog |
| 05:12.02 | bullgard4 | What programs use /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale? |
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| 05:17.31 | Paivakil | bullgard4: most programs use locale |
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| 05:38.54 | redwyrm | hi. I'm trying to install the DOM inspector for Firefox 3.0b5. It shows up as installed in Synaptic, but I don't see it in any menu in Firefox, nor is it listed as installed in the Add-Ins window. I tried to install it via the Add-Ins window, but I got an error saying that it was incompatible. I found nothing about this error using Google. Please help! :( |
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| 05:42.36 | schemelab | I have a huge directory under Debian/etch ... it is still not listing after 5 minutes of typing "ls | head" ... I really just need to remove the files in that directory.... perhaps just moving the directory to /tmp is the best idea and re-creating it? |
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| 05:45.40 | msshams | how can i know that anyone grant a root permission to himself? |
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| 05:47.17 | hoxu | msshams, rephrase that please |
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| 05:47.36 | hoxu | schemelab, what directory is that? |
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| 05:47.59 | hoxu | redwyrm, firefox 3.0b5 is not in debian, is it? |
| 05:48.15 | |Ryan52 | I blew away /var/log/mail.* and now they didn't come back, so I touch-ed and chown-ed and chmod-ed them the right way. And now they're still empty. What do I do? |
| 05:48.22 | hoxu | redwyrm, so don't expect to install any plugins for it via synaptic |
| 05:48.41 | msshams | hoxu: if anyone create a user for himself on my machine and grant root privileges to it, how can i find this? |
| 05:48.47 | msshams | do you understand? |
| 05:49.10 | hoxu | |Ryan52, tried restarting the mail daemon? |
| 05:49.22 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: yup |
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| 05:50.08 | markybob | msshams, just keep an eye on /var/log/auth.log and see who authenticates as root |
| 05:50.22 | wols | mendred: grep /etc/passwd for UID 0 users |
| 05:50.25 | hoxu | msshams, do you suspect a compromised box? "Root privileges" could perhaps be spotted by viewing /etc/sudoers and "grep 'x:0' /etc/passwd" |
| 05:50.35 | hoxu | !tell msshams about compromise check |
| 05:50.40 | |Ryan52 | and mail is making it where it should make it. |
| 05:50.55 | mendred | wols: ? |
| 05:51.10 | |Ryan52 | Though they seem to only be going when I restart... |
| 05:51.12 | wols | mewshi: was for msshams |
| 05:51.14 | hoxu | msshams, see the last part of the factoid - if you suspect you have been rooted, the only option is really to take the box offline and inspect it after booting from livecd or something |
| 05:51.39 | hoxu | !win wols |
| 05:51.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols! You have won the US presidency! |
| 05:51.48 | hoxu | :> |
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| 05:51.59 | hoxu | btw, package tip of the day: |
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| 05:52.00 | hoxu | !pv |
| 05:52.01 | dpkg | pv is probably pipe viewer, a handy utility to measure data passing through the pipe between processes. It shows how much data has passed, how long it has taken and the speed, as well as estimated completion if that data is available ("pv file" is used) |
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| 05:53.50 | hoxu | |Ryan52, do you mean that mail is only being delivered when you restart the mailer daemon? What's the output of "ls -la /var/log/mail.log" (or whatever you are worried about)? |
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| 05:54.20 | |Ryan52 | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 0 2008-05-24 22:46 /var/log/mail.log |
| 05:54.22 | |Ryan52 | yes. |
| 05:54.41 | redwyrm | hoxu, no, it's in ubuntu |
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| 05:54.56 | hoxu | redwyrm, what is? |
| 05:55.03 | |Ryan52 | didn't know that log files were so sensitive... |
| 05:55.05 | redwyrm | hoxu, firefox 3.0b5 |
| 05:55.34 | hoxu | redwyrm, right, and this is #debian I believe |
| 05:55.41 | redwyrm | hoxu, I asked that question here in #debian because I assumed that Debian and Ubuntu were similar enough for this to be an issue in both OSs |
| 05:55.46 | redwyrm | both distros* |
| 05:55.57 | redwyrm | nobody in Ubuntu seems to know |
| 05:55.57 | hoxu | debian is not ubuntu, please ask those questions on #ubuntu |
| 05:56.00 | markybob | !based on |
| 05:56.00 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 05:56.15 | redwyrm | oh, I see |
| 05:56.17 | redwyrm | sorry |
| 05:56.23 | hoxu | there are dozens of debian-based distros and none of them are debian, we can't possibly support them here |
| 05:56.43 | redwyrm | I was just hoping that maybe somebody ran into the same problem with Debian |
| 05:56.48 | redwyrm | and that they would know how to fix it |
| 05:57.07 | redwyrm | hoxu, yeah, I understand that |
| 05:57.10 | PiousMinion | I installed pulseaudio, decided it wasn't for me, now I can't get gnome to use alsa. Only the oss output works. Ideas? |
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| 05:57.36 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: any ideas for me? (using postfix by the way) |
| 05:57.45 | hoxu | redwyrm, looks like debian experimental has iceweasel 3.0~b5-4, but haven't tried it |
| 05:58.59 | redwyrm | iceweasel? I'm not familiar with that software |
| 05:59.44 | hoxu | |Ryan52, well, the permissions looked just fine, are you sure postfix logs stuff in those files? |
| 05:59.51 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: oh, mail made it through without restarting...it was just a cioncidence |
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| 05:59.57 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: yes, I am sure. |
| 06:00.00 | PiousMinion | redwyrm: it's the sources of firefox with very little changes to comply with licensing. |
| 06:00.05 | redwyrm | hoxu, oh... I just read the wikipedia page for "iceweasel"... so Debian has renamed FF to Iceweasel? |
| 06:00.15 | hoxu | !tell redwyrm about why iceweasel |
| 06:00.31 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: cause Ive always had postfix on this machine and mail.log had a bunch of junk in it. |
| 06:00.47 | redwyrm | well, it's cool that Debian was able to fork Firefox without a lawsuit resulting :D |
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| 06:00.52 | hoxu | |Ryan52, and there isn't anything like /var/log/postfix/? |
| 06:01.15 | cvn | hi my panel shows me that my memory is quite high. is there anyway to lower it down other than rebooting my server? |
| 06:01.26 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: no. postfix uses /var/log/mail.* |
| 06:01.49 | martman | anyone ever use mantis? i just installed it but i dont see anything in /var/www |
| 06:01.53 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: oh, all of that goes through syslog so I should restart syslogd... |
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| 06:02.06 | hoxu | |Ryan52, try that :) |
| 06:02.09 | |Ryan52 | err, sysklogd |
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| 06:02.48 | hoxu | martman, dpkg -L <package> |
| 06:02.59 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: yup, fixed it...thanks for helping me figure it out. |
| 06:03.38 | msshams | hoxu: i see /etc/group and i see only root is alone in x:0 and i see /etc/passwd too and see only root is alone in x:0:0 group. according to this, is this possible that any one with himself user can administer my machine? if yes which file must check for find this user? |
| 06:03.41 | hoxu | cvn, when you type "free", look at what second row in "free" column says, that's the real free memory without buffers & caching |
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| 06:04.05 | pdcqqq | ÓÐûÓÐÈËÔÚ |
| 06:04.26 | cvn | hoxu kinda high, i couldnt install some stuff on it now |
| 06:04.33 | hoxu | |Ryan52, heh, no problem, most of the time I just listen to people explain their problem and then watch them solve it themselves ;) |
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| 06:04.43 | redwyrm | Regarding iceweasel, could I install that and still receive periodic updates to it? I am thinking of how Firefox automatically updates itself. Is that same behavior available in Iceweasel? |
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| 06:05.09 | martman | hoxu ok, i see its own www directory. anychance you know if i can just symlink to there or something? |
| 06:05.31 | hoxu | msshams, "administer my machine" is vague, if you mean "do something only root should be able to do", yes it's possible and if the attacker has got that access it may be impossibly to find out with the running machine |
| 06:05.43 | hoxu | msshams, see the factoid dpkg told you, /msg dpkg compromise check |
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| 06:06.19 | hoxu | cvn, you could try "ps aux --sort rss" and see what programs are listed at the bottom, and close those |
| 06:06.49 | cvn | sql |
| 06:06.51 | cvn | ahh.. |
| 06:06.51 | hoxu | martman, no clue sorry, I suggest you look at /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 06:07.03 | plota | i usually get iceweasel updates from debian repositories, but i usually check the debian webpage for what they're about first |
| 06:07.31 | plota | firefox checks a server every time it's loaded probably |
| 06:08.04 | hoxu | redwyrm, you are speaking of ubuntu again, aren't you? In debian at least, you aren't supposed to use the browser's update feature as the right way to upgrade packages is using the package management system |
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| 06:08.51 | redwyrm | hoxu, well, assume that I switched to Debian :P |
| 06:09.13 | redwyrm | does the package management system have the latest version? |
| 06:09.41 | wols | redwyrm: etch has a 18 months old version obviously. patched for security updates |
| 06:09.47 | redwyrm | I seem to remember that Debian's stable branch would often have somewhat outdated versions of software |
| 06:09.59 | redwyrm | this was circa 2003 |
| 06:10.00 | arussel | I have 1 machine with 1 network card. I need, for test, to start 3 server. They all need their own interface and ports. Is there an easy way to do that ? |
| 06:10.00 | obnauticus | Anyone here know of a good UPnP AV server that has xbox 360 support? |
| 06:10.03 | wols | !tell redwyrm about stable |
| 06:10.19 | wols | arussel: what kind of servers? |
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| 06:11.19 | arussel | wols: 3 JBossAS |
| 06:11.21 | hoxu | redwyrm, stable + backports.org is often up-to-date enough, at least from my point of view |
| 06:11.26 | redwyrm | okay, well, what if I used the testing or the unstable version of Debian? would it be "unstable"? |
| 06:11.35 | hoxu | yes it would |
| 06:11.41 | redwyrm | I would likely be doing a lot of development |
| 06:11.48 | wols | obnauticus: |
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| 06:12.00 | wols | obnauticus: |
| 06:12.01 | redwyrm | but at the same time, I would want a little bit of stability for doing non-development work |
| 06:12.09 | redwyrm | for doing work* |
| 06:12.09 | wols | obnauticus: |
| 06:12.30 | wols | obnauticus:http://www.google.de/search?q=linux+upnp+server+xbox360&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 06:12.30 | hoxu | redwyrm, I suggest stable or stable+bpo, /msg dpkg upgrade path |
| 06:12.56 | hoxu | redwyrm, steer away from unstable though |
| 06:13.04 | wols | arussel: you can run each jboss on its own port using different config files I guess |
| 06:13.13 | redwyrm | hoxu, thanks, I'll look into it... I think I am afraid that I'd switch to Debian and be left with an unusable system |
| 06:13.28 | redwyrm | hoxu, but I need to overcome this fear :P |
| 06:13.46 | wols | redwyrm: ubuntu is certainly more unstable than debian |
| 06:14.01 | hoxu | redwyrm, you could just keep ubuntu on another partition and install debian on another, keeping both around... as long as your /home and other stuff is on separate partition |
| 06:14.17 | billy12 | lol, as a *happy* ubuntu user i can say debian stable is far better |
| 06:14.20 | redwyrm | wols, but there's a tradeoff between stability and recent-ness of packages |
| 06:14.28 | redwyrm | and I want something in the middle |
| 06:14.30 | wols | of course |
| 06:14.39 | PiousMinion | Why have separate partitions for /, /home, etc on a desktop system? |
| 06:14.39 | redwyrm | I don't want either of the extremes... |
| 06:15.30 | hoxu | PiousMinion, for a lot of reasons, really, one being filesystem corruption, ability to install multiple distros, more graceful behaviour when /home runs out of disk space and so on |
| 06:15.59 | INternat | obnauticus: id be interested to know what you find in terms of an xbox 360 av server.. |
| 06:16.06 | PiousMinion | hoxu: Hard to run out of space on /home when there is only one drive and one main partition. |
| 06:16.17 | obnauticus | INternat ... |
| 06:16.18 | obnauticus | no |
| 06:16.22 | obnauticus | it's an UPnP AV media server. |
| 06:16.32 | hoxu | PiousMinion, oh, exhausting all available disk space is one of the easiest task entrusted to mankind ;) |
| 06:16.34 | obnauticus | the xbox 360 is a UPnP media client. |
| 06:16.36 | INternat | yes |
| 06:16.38 | obnauticus | apperentally. |
| 06:16.41 | arussel | wols: I could do that, but they need to communicate with each other. One broadcasting to 1099 should be able to find the others. |
| 06:16.41 | INternat | i understand that |
| 06:16.43 | wols | obnauticus: I gave you a link |
| 06:17.02 | obnauticus | wols i was looking for personal suggestions, do you seriously think I haven't googled? |
| 06:17.04 | wols | arussel: virtual interfaces then |
| 06:17.17 | wols | obnauticus: from your question: yes |
| 06:17.22 | obnauticus | wols, I have. |
| 06:17.24 | arussel | wols: what man should I read ? |
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| 06:25.58 | obnauticus | how do i modify the dependencies for a package on aptitude |
| 06:26.14 | obnauticus | like say i have a package that kas libupnp2 as a dependency, but i know it will function if i have libupnp3 |
| 06:26.38 | hoxu | !equivs |
| 06:26.38 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 06:27.00 | click170_ | What would be the best way to detect keyboard input from a bluetooth usb keyboard on the local machine? I need to disconnect it with a script after x amount of time. |
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| 06:30.10 | redwyrm | wols, the problem I am afraid of when switching to Debian from Ubuntu is that I just want things to work... without having to do a lot of configuration and bug fixing. For example, if I plug in a printer, it should show up in CUPS and be something I can print to in Firefox/Iceweasel and in evince/another PDF viewer |
| 06:31.30 | hoxu | redwyrm, if ubuntu worked for you out-of-box, the initial configuration needed on debian is probably bigger |
| 06:32.05 | redwyrm | I don't understand what it means for an initial configuration to be "bigger" |
| 06:33.30 | hoxu | redwyrm, bigger hassle :p |
| 06:33.30 | wols | redwyrm: will work. did that on friday. won't work in adobe acrobat tho |
| 06:33.54 | billy12 | oo, whats does debian call/use has a telnet server |
| 06:33.55 | wols | and it depends on printre (I had to backport splix from testing into the etch there) but it was painless |
| 06:34.06 | hoxu | billy12, you don't want to run a telnet server |
| 06:34.10 | INternat | billy12: why would you want a tel net sere |
| 06:34.10 | INternat | r |
| 06:34.13 | INternat | you want ssh |
| 06:34.14 | wols | billy12: why would you want one? |
| 06:34.33 | billy12 | hoxu: wan no lan yes |
| 06:34.44 | wols | billy12: there is in.telnetd but you really don't want to use it |
| 06:34.57 | wols | billy12: not even in LAN |
| 06:35.34 | billy12 | just for eth3, |
| 06:35.40 | billy12 | one interface |
| 06:35.49 | wols | irrelevant |
| 06:35.51 | billy12 | that goes to my desktop |
| 06:35.52 | wols | use openssh |
| 06:36.05 | billy12 | i want more of a router fell |
| 06:36.07 | hoxu | billy12, seriously, there's no reason why you wouldn't want to use ssh |
| 06:36.13 | billy12 | yes |
| 06:36.14 | billy12 | 1 |
| 06:36.17 | billy12 | and 1 only |
| 06:36.25 | wols | billy12: then set up a serial console. that's at least useful on a headless box |
| 06:37.01 | wols | except for shitty legacy support reasons ther is no reason to use a telnet server. none |
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| 06:37.08 | billy12 | true, but y do you hate telnet so much? |
| 06:37.33 | wols | cause it's insecure and shit. no use for it anymore. anything it does can be done better now |
| 06:37.43 | redwyrm | wols, I don't use Acrobat.... I didn't even know there was a Linux version |
| 06:37.46 | wols | same reason we don't use punchcards anymore |
| 06:38.25 | |Ryan52 | What would be the best way to run a DNS server for a domain on a DHCP connection? Could I just setup a DynDNS account and setup DNS for my domain to be handled by ryan52.ath.cx (or whatever I get)? Would that work okay? |
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| 06:38.31 | billy12 | true, but windows doent have it OTB and it need to work w/ native hyper terminal on windows |
| 06:39.06 | penrod | greetings, I have setup a new server with grub, which I am new to and am having the "kernel panic" unable to mount root fs . I have googled the issue and can't find anything to assist in resolving the issue, any ideas ? |
| 06:39.11 | wols | ryushe: no |
| 06:39.17 | wols | |Ryan52: no |
| 06:39.27 | hoxu | billy12, you can't use putty? It's like, what, 100 KiB in size? |
| 06:39.32 | |Ryan52 | wols: why not? |
| 06:39.33 | wols | penrod: what debian version? |
| 06:39.34 | billy12 | i *only* want to run it on eth3 that goes to a desktop pc |
| 06:39.43 | penrod | Wols: etch |
| 06:39.50 | wols | |Ryan52: fixed IP neded |
| 06:39.53 | billy12 | i use linux, but other ppl use the box to |
| 06:40.11 | billy12 | windows ppl |
| 06:40.17 | redwyrm | wols, also, another barrier to switching to Debian from Ubuntu is all the different terminology that Ubuntu does not use |
| 06:40.20 | wols | penrod: what kernel? on what partition is your etch? what disk controller? |
| 06:40.31 | redwyrm | wols, such as "backporting", "splix", "etch" |
| 06:40.33 | wols | redwyrm: like? |
| 06:40.46 | wols | redwyrm: hoary, restricted modules, etc |
| 06:40.53 | wols | splix is simply the name of a software |
| 06:41.05 | redwyrm | wols, but see, I already _understand_ what hoary and restricted modules mean |
| 06:41.07 | |Ryan52 | wols: but I would just do "@ NS ryan52.ath.cs"...why wouldn't that work? |
| 06:41.17 | penrod | wols: I downloaded kernel source, rebuild it , same place as initial install. sda1 partition etc. |
| 06:41.27 | redwyrm | wols, and I have no idea how you would backport something in Debian |
| 06:41.39 | wols | penrod: you fscked up your kernel config most likely. answer my questions |
| 06:41.39 | hoxu | |Ryan52, are you speaking of domain name servers, or subdomain name server? |
| 06:41.40 | redwyrm | wols, or how time-consuming it might or might not be... |
| 06:41.44 | Paivakil | penrod: you have only a grub problem, right? |
| 06:41.50 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: domain name server |
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| 06:42.03 | hoxu | |Ryan52, then, as wols said, you need static IPs for that |
| 06:42.16 | wols | Paivakil: a root filesystem not found is a kernel/initrd problem |
| 06:42.37 | Paivakil | or a wrong root= parameter in menu.lst? |
| 06:42.50 | wols | possibly, but unlikely |
| 06:42.50 | |Ryan52 | hoxu: but it looks like its just like a CNAME. So if I used my DynDNS why wouldn't that work. or do you have to give your registrar an ip? |
| 06:42.50 | penrod | wols: yes, that is correct. I have built in excessive 200 kewrnels with "lilo" as the boot loader. grub has me confused, don't like the documentation today. |
| 06:43.08 | wols | penrod: answer my questions |
| 06:43.38 | penrod | wols" yes , grub only, I can boot from oriignal installation. |
| 06:43.38 | hoxu | |Ryan52, I suggest you read a book about how DNS works, you don't use hostnames for domain name servers, you need static IPs |
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| 06:44.01 | wols | penrod: for the LAST time. answer ALL my questions |
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| 06:44.10 | aFlag_ | I have a dynamic linked binary, is there a way to turn it into a statically linked one? |
| 06:44.21 | wols | aFlag_: yes. recompile it |
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| 06:44.35 | |Ryan52 | goes to get his dns book... |
| 06:44.46 | aFlag_ | isn't it possible without recompilation? |
| 06:44.59 | Paivakil | penrod: in /boot/grub/menu.lst, there is a line which starts with the word "kernel" |
| 06:45.14 | wols | possible: yes. theoretically |
| 06:45.15 | Paivakil | what does the root= say there? |
| 06:46.02 | obnauticus | hoxu, apperentally libupnp2 conflicts with my currently installed libupnp3 so when i try to install a dummy libupnp2 it tells me it conflicts with libupnp3 lmao. |
| 06:46.08 | aFlag_ | hm, but there's no tools around to do that? |
| 06:46.21 | hoxu | obnauticus, are you running unstable? |
| 06:46.47 | penrod | wols: my apolgies, kernel= 2.6.25.4 boot partition = /dev/sda1 disk controller= Adaptec aic7899 Ultra160 SCSI adapter |
| 06:47.08 | obnauticus | hoxu, no. |
| 06:47.08 | Paivakil | penrod: that is unstable? |
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| 06:47.17 | obnauticus | hoxu im trying to run this command: dpkg -i ./libupnp2_1.0_all.deb --force-conflicts |
| 06:47.31 | hoxu | obnauticus, what was the original problem? |
| 06:47.58 | wols | penrod: grep CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX /boot/config-2.6.25* |
| 06:48.00 | Paivakil | penrod: and where is the ROOT partition? look into /etc/fstab for the line containing just "/" |
| 06:48.11 | obnauticus | hoxu i am trying to install ushare, and ushare says i need to have libupnp2 installed when i have libupnp3 installed. |
| 06:48.17 | wols | !info libupnp2_1.0 |
| 06:48.30 | obnauticus | !info libupnp3 |
| 06:48.36 | dpkg | libupnp3: (Portable SDK for UPnP Devices (shared libraries)), section libs, is extra. Version: 1.6.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 06:48.40 | hoxu | obnauticus, not in debian I guess? You should check with the package author or something |
| 06:48.41 | wols | !info libupnp2 |
| 06:48.58 | obnauticus | well ushare is telling me `lol j00 needs libupnp2 silly` |
| 06:49.00 | obnauticus | and i have libupnp3 |
| 06:49.04 | obnauticus | remtarded. |
| 06:49.16 | hoxu | obnauticus, did you install it as deb or something else? |
| 06:49.19 | wols | obnauticus: are you compiling ushare or installing a bianry? |
| 06:49.30 | obnauticus | im installing it from their aptitude server |
| 06:49.38 | wols | compile the .deb |
| 06:49.39 | hoxu | obnauticus, try compiling it yourself then |
| 06:49.44 | obnauticus | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.46 | obnauticus | k i will |
| 06:49.49 | penrod | wols: I have pasted the relevant parts of menu.... and /etc/fstab to the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1028603 |
| 06:49.54 | obnauticus | Linux SDK for UPnP Devices (libupnp), 1.4.2 or later. |
| 06:50.13 | wols | penrod: I gave you a command. Paivakil asked about menu.lst entries |
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| 06:50.17 | obnauticus | it says or later |
| 06:50.19 | obnauticus | silly |
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| 06:50.46 | wols | obnauticus: dependencies are like that |
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| 06:51.21 | Paivakil | penrod: see? you do not have an initrd line in menu.lst |
| 06:51.50 | wols | penrod: how did you create the kernel? |
| 06:52.01 | wols | did you use krenel-package? |
| 06:52.01 | obnauticus | heh |
| 06:52.06 | redwyrm | wols, thanks for answering my questions about switching to Debian |
| 06:52.07 | Paivakil | you need to create an initrd image, put it in /boot/ and run update-grub |
| 06:52.14 | penrod | yes, that is necessary when you build a custom kernel ? |
| 06:52.36 | Paivakil | penrod: makes life easier if you use make-kpkg |
| 06:52.37 | obnauticus | what the hell is libixml |
| 06:52.50 | Paivakil | obnauticus: "apt-cache show libixml" |
| 06:52.50 | obnauticus | :| |
| 06:52.51 | penrod | wols: I downlaod from kernel.org and run make config |
| 06:52.52 | wols | penrod: depennds how you configure the kernel |
| 06:53.00 | obnauticus | no Paivakil it doesn't exist on aptitude lol |
| 06:53.03 | wols | penrod: make config doesn't compile |
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| 06:53.55 | penrod | wols: correct, but make bzImage does |
| 06:54.07 | wols | obnauticus: http://pastebin.ca/1028603 |
| 06:54.17 | wols | obnauticus: you need to backport from sid, maybe lenny |
| 06:54.24 | obnauticus | errrrrr |
| 06:54.27 | wols | penrod: that's bad. use kernel-package |
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| 06:54.50 | wols | !tell obnauticus about kernel-package |
| 06:55.00 | wols | !tell penrod about kernel-package |
| 06:55.03 | wols | obnauticus: sry |
| 06:55.12 | wols | penrod: recompile your kernel and this time do it right |
| 06:55.43 | obnauticus | ... thanks wols |
| 06:55.43 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:57.10 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 06:57.11 | dpkg | qotd94 is, like, <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
| 06:57.20 | penrod | wols: really, this is how I was taght a number of years ago.and worked well in keeping kernel as small as possible. I will look into this process, as I am not familiar with it. thank you. |
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| 06:58.27 | wols | penrod: it won't make the kernel one bit bigger but: it will allow you to easily remove the kernel again with a simple dpkg -r |
| 06:58.35 | wols | it also autoconfigures grub and your initrd then |
| 06:59.41 | penrod | wols: thanks again, I have been doing certain things for 8 years, and this dog will indeed need tolearn new tricks. |
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| 07:00.31 | Saied | i used make-kpkg to build kernel but generated deb file was very huge (I think it was 200MB, it should be 17MB). i found all modules compiled in debug and not stripped. so how can i strip them before package build |
| 07:00.51 | wols | how did you call make-kpkg? |
| 07:01.19 | Saied | wols: w8 |
| 07:01.38 | wols | also check your env vars if tere are any CFLAGs set |
| 07:02.47 | Saied | wols: make-kpkg --revision 1 --append_to_version -custom --initrd --bzimage kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 07:03.11 | Saied | wols: no, there is no env var |
| 07:03.43 | wols | debug symbols are a gcc option (-g IIRC) |
| 07:03.52 | wols | don't see why the kernel would have that in the makefiles |
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| 07:04.22 | wols | and kernel-package doesn't really edit kernel makefiles |
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| 07:04.36 | Saied | wols: ok, but there is a dh_strip function that strip all of them |
| 07:05.31 | wols | I never had a kernel with debug symbols from kernel-package, so imho there is something in your machine's config that creates them |
| 07:06.32 | Saied | wols: hmm, you're right. but i have this problem now! :( |
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| 07:09.29 | crazyfrog | my kernel has update to 2.6.18-6.686,but my /etc/ld.so.conf includes only i486-linux-gnu which includes /lib/i486-linux-gnu and /usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu.It is right? |
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| 07:10.42 | wols | crazyfrog: kernel is not a library so yes it's right |
| 07:11.12 | crazyfrog | wols:thanks |
| 07:11.31 | wols | i486 there is the platform.basically "x86 with a fpu" |
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| 07:13.20 | xingu | not that it was much of an fpu :) |
| 07:13.52 | wols | better than a i387 :) |
| 07:13.54 | xingu | it only looks good in comparison to 486 software emulation :) |
| 07:14.07 | xingu | wols: not really, they're much of a muchness |
| 07:16.47 | xingu | wols: about twice the efficiency at a given clock rate from the looks of things |
| 07:17.10 | wols | i387 teice as effective as i486 cfpu? |
| 07:17.17 | wols | *twice |
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| 07:17.52 | xingu | wols: other way - 486dx2 ~2x i387 |
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| 07:19.41 | xingu | not sure if I'm looking at p24 or p24d |
| 07:19.55 | xingu | p24d would explain the 2x speedup |
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| 07:22.19 | xingu | it's almost certainly p24d |
| 07:22.40 | xingu | so at same clock rate, p24 floating point is ~ 1:1 with 387 |
| 07:24.43 | xingu | aah no, my apologies, it _was_ p24 |
| 07:24.56 | xingu | so 2x efficiency in 487, hmm |
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| 07:25.31 | xingu | (I'm digging up old tables of mflops(3) which is a reasonable enough benchmark for this purpose) |
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| 07:30.19 | heruan | how can I create updated netboot images? |
| 07:30.32 | heruan | I'm trying to do a pxe install of lenny... |
| 07:30.43 | nelix | hmm, i'm trying to give a user on my system access to easy_install and not much else, but i am finding the sudo documentation a little hard to follow, any advice? |
| 07:30.58 | heruan | so I need updated linux and initrd.gz images |
| 07:31.16 | heruan | but the ones on http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 07:31.36 | heruan | aren't updated and during install it gives me an error on kernel modules mismatch |
| 07:31.43 | iateadonu1 | anyone know a good program for converting .lit's to .pdf or something else. |
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| 07:37.49 | digital_main02 | I seem to have a problem with the initramfs for a fresh install of debian etch. The problem seems to be realated to raid support. I'm configuring for root on lvm which seemed to work just fine on its own,but I need to add a couple of drives configured as raid1 with lvm partitions (the data drives). |
| 07:38.31 | digital_main02 | I started with a fresh install with lvm only and everything seemed to work just fine through a few reboots. it wasn't until I added the raid support and it generated a new initrd file that I had problems. |
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| 07:39.23 | digital_main02 | I tried to fix it,but eventually gave up and started a fresh install with the data drives added in hoping that the install would do the right thing, but I'm back to the initramfs prompt after the first reboot |
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| 07:40.45 | digital_main02 | I can boot the debian net install disk in rescue mode and boot the fresh installed system no problem, but I'm unsure how to create the new ramdisk image |
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| 07:44.42 | arussel | wols: I added 3 virtual interfaces with: ifconfig wlan0.1 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 (and wlan0.2, wlan0.3) . How do I set up route now ? I don't know what interface to give for network 10.0.0.0 |
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| 07:51.29 | wols | the interface is wlan0.1 ... 0.3 |
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| 07:57.37 | liable | innit usually wlan0:1 ? |
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| 07:59.31 | digital_main02 | My problem seems to be that the init script isn't mounting the root filesystem, but I just confirmed I can manually mount it. The raid devices and the lvm partitions are being loaded correctly |
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| 08:01.11 | bdzi | how to ping proxy on debian? |
| 08:01.31 | Bushmills | bdzi: ping proxy |
| 08:01.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | Bushmills: ICMP tunneling |
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| 08:02.27 | digital_main02 | There is a modprobe error between "Attempting Manual resume" and Running /scripts/local-bottom |
| 08:02.33 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 08:03.13 | digital_main02 | and a mount: Cannot read /etc/fstab: No such file or directory |
| 08:03.26 | digital_main02 | should there be an fstab on the initrd image? |
| 08:03.57 | digital_main02 | I'm assuming this failed mount was trying to mount the root filesystem from /dev/mapper/tb1-system |
| 08:04.02 | Bushmills | Blast_Hardcheese: route has been set, for proxy packets to use tunnel, i assume |
| 08:05.13 | Bushmills | otherwise, -I arg to ping, for interface |
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| 08:05.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | Bushmills: http://www.cs.uit.no/~daniels/PingTunnel/ |
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| 08:07.27 | Freddo_Frog | Hey all, i just finished a debian install, and i am wondering how to reconfigure X so that it gives me a decent resolution' |
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| 08:08.08 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, what vid card you using? |
| 08:08.15 | Freddo_Frog | nvida |
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| 08:08.39 | lagbolt | did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 08:08.45 | Freddo_Frog | not yet |
| 08:08.45 | naiv | yes lagbolt |
| 08:09.03 | Freddo_Frog | lagbolt: how do i do that? |
| 08:09.12 | lagbolt | naiv, ?? |
| 08:09.18 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, you installed etch? |
| 08:09.23 | Freddo_Frog | 4.1 |
| 08:10.13 | xingu | using icmp to subvert a packet filter sounds like a really good way to get noticed to me. |
| 08:10.31 | lagbolt | !tell Freddo_Frog about nvidia one-liner |
| 08:11.08 | Freddo_Frog | you mean i need a completely differant kernel? |
| 08:11.26 | lagbolt | what kern do you have? |
| 08:11.40 | Freddo_Frog | uhm |
| 08:11.52 | Freddo_Frog | how do i find out? |
| 08:12.22 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, uname -a |
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| 08:12.39 | xingu | "Ptunnel handles packet loss by resending (presumably) lost packets." |
| 08:12.42 | xingu | snorts |
| 08:13.07 | Freddo_Frog | 2.6.18-6-486 |
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| 08:13.55 | xingu | notes that pingtunnel's author needs to go read http://sites.inka.de/~W1011/devel/tcp-tcp.html |
| 08:14.00 | lagbolt | so you would install nvidia for that kern |
| 08:14.41 | Freddo_Frog | how do i do that? |
| 08:14.41 | lagbolt | you might want to change to a kern that matches your cpu type |
| 08:14.54 | Freddo_Frog | i am sorry i am new to debian, it is so differant from archlinux |
| 08:15.33 | vraa-ubuntu | it's the same, uname -a |
| 08:15.43 | vraa-ubuntu | oh you already said that haha |
| 08:15.46 | lagbolt | just like the one liner. . . . |
| 08:16.07 | vraa-ubuntu | man i'm getting dumber by the day |
| 08:16.10 | lagbolt | vraa-ubuntu, yeah i think he might want to switch to diff kern first tho, 486 is pretty lame |
| 08:16.12 | lagbolt | :) |
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| 08:16.21 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, what is your cpu? |
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| 08:16.29 | Freddo_Frog | amd 32bit |
| 08:16.29 | vraa-ubuntu | maybe, i am sleeping, bbl |
| 08:16.30 | LOOP` | good morning |
| 08:17.54 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, might want to first install the k7 kern, "apt-get install linux-image-k7" i think |
| 08:18.12 | Freddo_Frog | lagbolt: will that just install it then i have to restart than that is it? |
| 08:18.20 | lagbolt | yeah |
| 08:18.25 | Freddo_Frog | awesome |
| 08:18.27 | lagbolt | you would have to reboot into it |
| 08:18.33 | Freddo_Frog | is that easy? |
| 08:18.38 | lagbolt | for a new kernel, yeah |
| 08:19.09 | Freddo_Frog | ok |
| 08:19.18 | Freddo_Frog | can you walk me through it, the new kernel is installing now |
| 08:19.33 | Freddo_Frog | well downloading |
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| 08:19.44 | lagbolt | yeah, when it is installed you reboot and grub will have a kernel entry for that kernel |
| 08:19.46 | lagbolt | when you reboot |
| 08:19.50 | Freddo_Frog | ohh that easdy |
| 08:20.12 | Freddo_Frog | is i686 good? |
| 08:20.19 | Freddo_Frog | what is it that is mentioned at the end of my uname |
| 08:20.44 | lagbolt | well 686 works too |
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| 08:20.52 | Bushmills | i686 should be just fine for k7 |
| 08:20.54 | lagbolt | but k7 is for amd arch and 686 for intel |
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| 08:20.57 | lagbolt | but it should be fine |
| 08:21.03 | lagbolt | i think they are same flags now? |
| 08:21.19 | Freddo_Frog | ok |
| 08:21.29 | LOOP` | I have a problem on my debian sid, when I start my OS, on top bar appear icons update notify but effectly there isn't update, I click on this icon debian sid search for update whitout installing nothing after a few second disappear icons, and after reappear. Anyone can help me? |
| 08:21.44 | Bushmills | (k7 kernels have been dropped in later debian, -686 to be used instead) |
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| 08:21.55 | Freddo_Frog | so why am i installing k7? |
| 08:22.02 | lagbolt | Bushmills, yeah after etch |
| 08:22.05 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, dont sweat it |
| 08:22.07 | Bushmills | Freddo_Frog: because they told you |
| 08:22.24 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, later k7 will point you to 686, or you can install 686 now |
| 08:22.33 | lagbolt | but k7 is still in etch. no big deal |
| 08:22.36 | Freddo_Frog | ok i will just reboot |
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| 08:23.32 | Freddo_Frog | it installed |
| 08:24.14 | lagbolt | yup, so you can reboot into it. then install the nvidia-kernel associated with it |
| 08:24.20 | Freddo_Frog | how do i do that? |
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| 08:24.45 | Bushmills | Freddo_Frog: how did you reboot with arch? |
| 08:24.45 | lagbolt | the one liner . . .apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx |
| 08:25.05 | Freddo_Frog | Bushmills: i mean install the nvidia kernel |
| 08:25.11 | Bushmills | oh. my bad |
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| 08:25.42 | Bushmills | Freddo_Frog: no, yours. |
| 08:25.43 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, all the nvidia-kernel-# does is install the nvidia kern module |
| 08:25.51 | Freddo_Frog | ok |
| 08:25.53 | Bushmills | didn;t mention nvidia anywhere |
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| 08:26.02 | ismith | is it possible to set up a login alias? that is, i have an account "ismith", but occasionally log in from another machine where my username is "is". rather than "ssh ismith@host", is it possible to get my machine to treat any login to "is@host" as if it's to "ismith@host" |
| 08:26.04 | ismith | ? |
| 08:26.07 | Freddo_Frog | lagbolt: can i remove the 486 kernel? |
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| 08:26.21 | lagbolt | after you reboot. not a great idea to remove a kernel when you are running it |
| 08:26.27 | Bushmills | hm. anywhere recently |
| 08:26.28 | Freddo_Frog | i have rebooted |
| 08:26.33 | lagbolt | oh yeah then go ahead |
| 08:26.38 | Freddo_Frog | so how do i do that? |
| 08:26.56 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, you need to become familiar with a few commands. . . . . |
| 08:27.01 | Freddo_Frog | i know |
| 08:27.04 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, dpkg -l | grep foo |
| 08:27.05 | Freddo_Frog | pacman is what i am used to |
| 08:27.07 | lagbolt | in your case |
| 08:27.12 | lagbolt | dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 08:27.12 | dpkg | ii | grep linux-image 3.8-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 08:27.21 | lagbolt | lol |
| 08:27.50 | LOOP` | I have a problem on my debian sid, when I start my OS, on top bar appear icons update notify, but effectly there isn't update, I click on this icon and debian sid search for update whitout installing nothing, after a few second disappear icons, and after reappear. Anyone can help me? How I can resolve this problem? |
| 08:27.55 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, dpkg -l will list the packages and grep will search for linux-image |
| 08:28.23 | Bushmills | what? |
| 08:28.24 | Freddo_Frog | opk |
| 08:28.36 | lagbolt | you should see the packages. then you can apt-get remove "package name" |
| 08:28.40 | Freddo_Frog | ok thanks =] |
| 08:29.22 | Bushmills | LOOP`: i don;t know what you're clicking on . try keyboard commands to fix it ... |
| 08:29.27 | genetimorphic | is there a way to see most recently installed packages? |
| 08:30.10 | lagbolt | genetimorphic, not sure, i feel like i might have seen that in synaptic but dont quote me on that |
| 08:30.21 | LOOP` | Bushmills: sorry, what is keyboard commands? |
| 08:30.22 | arussel | wols: got it working thanks for your help. Is there anyway to fake a network failure ? |
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| 08:30.45 | Bushmills | LOOP`: those you type in, in a shell, for example. |
| 08:31.01 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, also apt-cache search something <-- another good command |
| 08:31.07 | Freddo_Frog | ok |
| 08:31.11 | Freddo_Frog | what does that one do lagbolt |
| 08:31.17 | LOOP` | Bushmills: I also esecute apt-get update by shell |
| 08:31.23 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, it searches list of available packages |
| 08:31.25 | LOOP` | but the icon is often present |
| 08:31.32 | Freddo_Frog | pl |
| 08:31.36 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, try "apt-cache search nvidia" |
| 08:31.40 | Bushmills | LOOP`: aer you sure you're really up to using sid? |
| 08:31.42 | Bushmills | are |
| 08:31.52 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, do you see anything like nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 08:31.56 | Bushmills | or is this ubuntu "sid" ? |
| 08:32.16 | Freddo_Frog | hang on lagbolt i am removing the old kernel |
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| 08:32.20 | lagbolt | ok |
| 08:32.34 | LOOP` | Bushmills: that's of I'm writing is ubuntu, debian sid is istalled on another machine |
| 08:33.19 | Freddo_Frog | ok it is all removed |
| 08:33.21 | Freddo_Frog | now hang on |
| 08:33.28 | lagbolt | hanging on tight |
| 08:33.47 | Bushmills | LOOP`: evidently you have some problem with a package manager. unluckily, the package source ubuntu uses are different from the debian sources. what applies to ubuntu, doesn't apply to debian. different servers, etc, |
| 08:33.48 | Freddo_Frog | now that last command you gave me shows some stuff |
| 08:33.59 | wols | arussel: fudge with the routing maybe. or use iptables to drop packets |
| 08:34.03 | lagbolt | the search command, did you see the package i mentioned? |
| 08:34.20 | Freddo_Frog | no that is not there? |
| 08:34.28 | arussel | wols: iptables is a good idea :-) thanks again |
| 08:34.31 | lagbolt | ok you must not have source right, |
| 08:34.37 | Freddo_Frog | there is |
| 08:34.37 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:34.42 | Bushmills | LOOP`: in general, it is best to ask questions about a specific distribution in the resp. support channel. |
| 08:34.44 | LOOP` | Bushmills: I do not use egual repository by ubuntu whit debian sid |
| 08:34.54 | Freddo_Frog | xserver-xorg-video-nv |
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| 08:34.56 | Freddo_Frog | that is a driver |
| 08:34.57 | wols | LOOP`: apt-get updateMap |
| 08:35.00 | lagbolt | at the end of the line something like "etch main" |
| 08:35.03 | wols | LOOP`: apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 08:35.16 | lagbolt | Freddo_Frog, you dont have it cause you probably dont have non-free in sources. |
| 08:35.20 | lagbolt | edit sources.list |
| 08:35.21 | LOOP` | wols: now I try |
| 08:35.25 | LOOP` | thanks a lor |
| 08:35.27 | LOOP` | *lot |
| 08:35.27 | Freddo_Frog | ok |
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| 08:35.44 | wols | !tell Freddo_Frog about nvidia |
| 08:35.56 | Bushmills | LOOP`: you use debian sid repository with ubuntu? |
| 08:36.09 | LOOP` | Bushmills: no |
| 08:36.18 | Bushmills | is confused now |
| 08:36.19 | wols | Bushmills: he has 2 machnes. one running sid |
| 08:36.22 | LOOP` | I do not insane |
| 08:36.23 | lagbolt | lol |
| 08:36.28 | LOOP` | *I'm not |
| 08:36.29 | LOOP` | :D |
| 08:36.31 | Freddo_Frog | lagbolt: what do i add to the file? |
| 08:36.44 | wols | !tell Freddo_Frog about non-free |
| 08:36.58 | Bushmills | ah, |
| 08:37.22 | Bushmills | think it's not a good idea to sit behind computer without having had a coffee yet |
| 08:37.44 | wols | it's never good to be on #debian on sundays either :) |
| 08:37.53 | LOOP` | :P |
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| 08:38.55 | Bushmills | wols, why not? others visit to the zoo, which is roughly comparable |
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| 08:39.12 | LOOP` | wols: apt-get updateMap |
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| 08:39.28 | obnauticus | err why does my autoconf always freezing at checking dynamic linker characteristics... |
| 08:39.35 | LOOP` | bash say unknow command |
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| 08:40.04 | LOOP` | wols: sorry |
| 08:40.07 | LOOP` | I read now |
| 08:40.33 | LOOP` | but I also try whit apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 08:40.37 | LOOP` | but don't resolve |
| 08:40.40 | LOOP` | :( |
| 08:40.46 | wols | !tell LOOP` about errors |
| 08:40.51 | wols | !tell loop about enter |
| 08:40.58 | wols | !tell LOOP` about enter |
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| 08:44.05 | abchirk | How I could get flash workin under firefox 3? |
| 08:44.26 | wols | !flash |
| 08:44.26 | dpkg | i guess flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 08:44.56 | abchirk | wols I have flash under iceweasel... but I want it for firefox 3 too. :) |
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| 08:48.28 | wols | copy it in the proper plugins directory and it will work |
| 08:48.36 | streuner | abchirk: mail adobe and complain about :-) |
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| 08:49.32 | streuner | abchirk: package out of experimental? |
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| 08:50.39 | abchirk | streuner I downloaded firefox from the mozilla website... and just started it from a directory. But it seems that he doesn't find the installed flashplug |
| 08:51.16 | streuner | abchirk: irc.moziila.org #firefox |
| 08:51.30 | abchirk | hm ok thx. :) |
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| 09:04.37 | epsilon | question about recently detected ssl bugs... is it also affected if I start a ssl connection, like https or pops? |
| 09:05.20 | Sling | if you use a ssl-certificate to authenticate, yes |
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| 09:07.09 | epsilon | also if the server's key/cert is not affected, but the client is affected by the bug? |
| 09:08.02 | LOOP` | wols: I resolve, I do smart update :D |
| 09:08.05 | LOOP` | thanks |
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| 09:08.26 | epsilon | iirc it's the client generating the random session key (vulnerabe?) to create each ssl-session |
| 09:09.22 | epsilon | the reason is, I have a LiveLinux-CD which contains this ssl-bug. I want to know if it's safe to use this CD as long you don't generate keypairs |
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| 09:09.52 | epsilon | or if it's already vulnerable using normal ssl connection |
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| 09:10.13 | NumLock3D | guys debian installer is curses based or just a shell script ? |
| 09:11.10 | orveldv_ | NumLock3D: both curses and graphical AFAIK |
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| 09:12.21 | NumLock3D | thank you orveldv_ :) one more question, I have been using debian etch for quite sometime now and I want to download lenny. Shall I go for the original lenny download or hit the weekly builds? |
| 09:12.32 | wols | NumLock3D: neither |
| 09:12.43 | wols | you alread yhave etch. upgrade |
| 09:12.52 | wols | and even if you don't: install etch and upgrade |
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| 09:14.52 | NumLock3D | I have etch ... but I just want to see if there's any changes in the installer of lenny |
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| 09:15.28 | Bushmills | NumLock3D: no need to download/reinstall. you can upgrade your etch |
| 09:15.46 | Bushmills | oh. "installer" |
| 09:15.52 | NumLock3D | yes sir.. |
| 09:15.53 | NumLock3D | :) |
| 09:16.02 | NumLock3D | I have a box ready for testing ;) |
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| 09:16.07 | orveldv_ | NumLock3D: it supports multiple NIC's, but I think that was in etch already |
| 09:16.16 | zd32nv | NumLock3D: doesn't hurt to try it in a VM :) |
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| 09:17.05 | NumLock3D | zd32nv, why should I go for a vm when I have a box of p4 3.0 GHz with 1.25 gigs of RAM :d |
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| 09:17.34 | NumLock3D | I have that box just to test all those new distros :) |
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| 09:17.47 | NumLock3D | I had tested paldo linux last night :D |
| 09:17.59 | zd32nv | uses a VM for that ;P |
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| 09:23.11 | mosty | some process keeps creating a /nonexistent directory with the contents of /etc/skel/ in it. what is doing thins, and how do i stop it? my root fs is xfs is that is relevant |
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| 09:24.45 | Juventino | guys, any idea what APIVERSION means? |
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| 09:25.40 | Bushmills | Juventino: what past, API or VERSION ? |
| 09:25.44 | Bushmills | part |
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| 09:26.59 | Juventino | Bushmills: it's happening when i try to compile some plugin, "Error: plugins without APIVERSION" |
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| 09:27.21 | Bushmills | Juventino: what part don't you understand? API or VERSION? |
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| 09:28.00 | wols | Juventino: more context |
| 09:29.24 | Bushmills | we ought to sell tickets for #debian on sundays |
| 09:29.25 | Juventino | well that's the whole line: *** plugins without APIVERSION: rotor |
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| 09:30.18 | Bushmills | Juventino: apt-get install dict; dict api |
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| 09:30.27 | Spee_Der | Good morning folks.... |
| 09:30.51 | Spee_Der | Can someone assist with an Adobe problem in Debian (Etch) please. |
| 09:30.52 | Juventino | Bushmills: ok will try that, thnx :) |
| 09:31.24 | Bushmills | Juventino: dict version | less |
| 09:32.13 | Raffaello | i wanna ask something that is it in debian 1024 kb = 1 mb, so 80 GB = 74 GB ? |
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| 09:32.59 | Bushmills | Raffaello: with df -h, yes |
| 09:33.50 | Raffaello | is there any other way without df -h? |
| 09:34.15 | Bushmills | Raffaello: yes. just df, that shows bytes |
| 09:34.32 | Raffaello | ow ok |
| 09:34.55 | Raffaello | so its same with windows about using hdds |
| 09:35.05 | Bushmills | no idea. what is windows? |
| 09:35.08 | Raffaello | :D |
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| 09:35.29 | Bushmills | mine don't have hds. |
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| 09:41.48 | Juventino | hmm |
| 09:41.53 | Juventino | well i give up lol |
| 09:43.22 | diabel- | Hi, I've got problem with install mozilla-firefox |
| 09:43.22 | diabel- | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.26 | diabel- | E: Broken packages |
| 09:43.36 | INternat | im trying to fix a shutdown script that i hav written for a service.. it takes a while between the shutdown being requested and it actually happening (java application).. so im trying to work out what i can do to make my script wait for it to finish |
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| 09:44.35 | craigevil | diabel-: apt-get install iceweasel , iceweasel=firefox |
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| 09:47.37 | wols | Juventino: means your plugin is buggy. probably too old |
| 09:48.18 | Juventino | wols: thank you! |
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| 09:48.32 | icenine | So the Imagick examples on php.net do not work with php5-imagick, I'm assuming it's because they are from a newer php/imagick module version. |
| 09:48.41 | icenine | Any ideas for how to get this going nice and clean on debian? |
| 09:49.17 | Bushmills | Raffaello: ask her, not PM |
| 09:49.23 | Bushmills | here |
| 09:49.39 | Raffaello | ok what does it mean vgdisplay -v |
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| 09:50.38 | Raffaello | ok :D forget the question i found |
| 09:50.42 | Raffaello | thx |
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| 09:51.09 | wols | !tell icenine about doesn't work |
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| 09:54.42 | alkisg | Hi all, how can I give to an ntfs partition read-write permissions for me and read-only for other users? I put my uid/guid in fstab but other users can still write... |
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| 09:58.27 | wols | alkisg: fstab line |
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| 09:58.41 | strawks | hi all, does anybody know how could I prevent console blanking? I'm using console-log but console is blanked after a few minutes |
| 09:58.57 | alkisg | wols, UUID=54CAC7F2CAC7CF04 /media/Data ntfs defaults,umask=007,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 1 |
| 09:59.08 | alkisg | wols, 1000=my uid/guid |
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| 09:59.54 | wols | is this debian? |
| 10:00.01 | vasco | hello |
| 10:00.07 | Juventino | guys, what's the difference between adding the UUID in the fstab and adding the /dev/sd** ? |
| 10:00.17 | wols | !tell Juventino about uuid |
| 10:00.19 | vasco | how can i read pdf with a debian/linux system? |
| 10:00.24 | alkisg | wols, it's ubuntu, I think it's the same concerning fstab? |
| 10:00.27 | msshams | which webmail software is better than other? Claros - AtMail - RoundCube - SquirrelMail (please answer me). |
| 10:00.35 | wols | alkisg: #ubuntu |
| 10:00.36 | Juventino | wols: i know how do it |
| 10:00.42 | vasco | the lightess soft plz |
| 10:00.42 | enouf | strawks: you mean dpms? like blank screen? or your screen info is reset? |
| 10:00.44 | Juventino | i'm just asking what's the differece |
| 10:00.46 | wols | Juventino: uuids never change |
| 10:00.50 | alkisg | wols, tried that! :) |
| 10:00.53 | streuner | vasco: xpdf |
| 10:00.58 | wols | !tell alkisg about they don't know |
| 10:01.03 | Juventino | wols: well it changes when you re-format a partition :) |
| 10:01.10 | vasco | streuner, thanks |
| 10:01.12 | wols | vasco: evince, kpdf, xpdf |
| 10:01.12 | strawks | enouf: yes dpms or apm |
| 10:01.27 | vasco | kpdf is kde based? |
| 10:01.38 | vasco | wols, kpdf is kde based? |
| 10:01.40 | streuner | !info kpdf |
| 10:01.44 | wols | Juventino: bot not when udev messes with partitions. or when the kernel does |
| 10:01.52 | strawks | enouf: I know setterm can disable blanking but I don't know how to use it with console-log |
| 10:01.54 | wols | vasco: yes. evince for gnome |
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| 10:02.00 | Juventino | wols: agree |
| 10:02.01 | alkisg | wols, I didn't know about that, I thought debian (being the base for many distributions) is common for some problems... Sorry. |
| 10:02.05 | dpkg | kpdf: (PDF viewer for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-1+b2 (sid), Packaged size: 799 kB, Installed size: 2080 kB |
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| 10:02.29 | streuner | vasco: gv |
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| 10:03.08 | enouf | strawks: you probably want vbetool |
| 10:03.11 | streuner | vasco: apt-cache search pdf viewer (/msg dpkg search) |
| 10:03.40 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 10:03.56 | Ace2016 | any way to allow a user to mount and unmount stuff without sudo? |
| 10:04.35 | wols | alkisg: man fstab. see "user" |
| 10:04.42 | wols | Ace2016: ^^ |
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| 10:05.10 | Ace2016 | well i was thinking of encrypted partitions, access to /dev/mapper/* and stuff |
| 10:05.11 | enouf | strawks: no idea what console-log is, nor why that would matter, dpms is dpms - see BLANK_TIME= in /etc/console-tools/comfig |
| 10:05.16 | enouf | config* |
| 10:05.43 | Ace2016 | they need to be able to run cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/.. and ount /dev/mapper/... |
| 10:05.47 | strawks | enouf: console-log is a package that just run a pager to display console log |
| 10:05.57 | strawks | *system log |
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| 10:06.22 | enouf | tail -f /var/log/syslog :-P |
| 10:06.25 | icenine | wols: thanks for responding, i think the problem is that the documentation on php.net is for a newer version.. basically I looked in /usr/share/doc/php5-imagick to see that there are function names in there did strings on my imagick.so and found that the class/function names i was trying were not in the so file. I am not sure about the php.net documentation so for the moment I am going to make my code work with what is i |
| 10:07.47 | Ace2016 | i've finally got around to locking my system down and removing the dumb sudo without a password thing |
| 10:08.35 | strawks | enouf: ok I'll try playing with vbetool and console-tools, thanks for your help |
| 10:08.58 | Ace2016 | any way to allowing users to run cryptsetup and mount without adding them to sudoers? |
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| 10:09.41 | msshams | which webmail software is better than other? Claros - AtMail - RoundCube - SquirrelMail (please answer me) |
| 10:10.09 | alkisg | wols, thanks, but man fstab and man mount say that "user" is to enable users to mount a partition. I want the partition to be automounted, but read-only for users, read-write for me. I also tried user, but other users still can write. Am I missing something? |
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| 10:11.03 | Ace2016 | alkisg: well have you tried setting the permissions of the contents of the mounted volume? |
| 10:11.25 | alkisg | Ace2016, it's an ntfs partition, I think it doesn't support permissions, right? |
| 10:11.32 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 10:11.34 | wols | alkisg: #ubuntu |
| 10:11.41 | alkisg | wols, thanks. |
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| 10:13.19 | enouf | Ace2016: might be something for you in file:///etc/default/lvm-common |
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| 10:14.01 | Ace2016 | that doesn't exist, so i don't think its a part of cryptsetup |
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| 10:14.25 | diabel- | CharminTheMoose: it doesn't work |
| 10:14.41 | giorgian | hi. i have a problem with usb permissions for an hp scanner; most usb devices work without problems for any user, but not the scanner, which only works for root. which permissions should i set? |
| 10:14.47 | CharminTheMoose | diabel-, really? well, in that case get your tab complete right! |
| 10:14.48 | enouf | diabel-: wrong nick |
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| 10:16.22 | diabel- | CharminTheMoose: ouch, sorry |
| 10:16.31 | CharminTheMoose | :-) no worries |
| 10:16.40 | diabel- | craigevil: it doesn't work :( |
| 10:16.42 | diabel- | ;] |
| 10:16.47 | enouf | giorgian: is your user part of the saned and scanner groups? |
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| 10:17.22 | craigevil | diabel-: sorry i dont run etch iceweasel should install with no problems though |
| 10:18.07 | Ace2016 | famd is stopping me from unmounting my partitions |
| 10:18.26 | Ace2016 | what exactly does it do? the man page is a bit obscure as to what its purpose is |
| 10:18.39 | enouf | giorgian: gpasswd -a username saned ; gpasswd -a username scanner ..log out the user entirely, login, check with 'groups' command |
| 10:19.03 | enouf | file alteration monitor |
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| 10:19.19 | Ace2016 | is it safe to remove fam? |
| 10:19.19 | diabel- | craigevil: so In lennt it's impossible to have mozilla with flash? |
| 10:19.22 | enouf | do /etc/init.d/fam{d} stop |
| 10:19.54 | craigevil | diabel-: flash works as crappy as usual with iceweasel/iceape |
| 10:19.55 | enouf | sure, i uninstalled mine, but it's up to you - it could be useful |
| 10:20.12 | wols | where have you ffox 3 installed and where your current flash plugin? |
| 10:20.14 | Ace2016 | enouf: so it came installed? |
| 10:20.16 | giorgian | enouf: saned and scanner groups, ok, thanks. |
| 10:20.29 | Ace2016 | ff3 is awesome, not quite as good as the windows version but still great |
| 10:20.55 | giorgian | enouf: i tried some random groups, but didn't think of the obvious thing, that is, reading the group file |
| 10:21.04 | enouf | Ace2016: well, yes, for me with sarge here, back then |
| 10:21.09 | Ace2016 | ok i god rid of fam, thanks |
| 10:21.24 | Ace2016 | you have sarge? why? is it a server? |
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| 10:21.49 | enouf | giorgian: hehe, ok, now don't forget to remove your username from groups they don't belong in ;-) |
| 10:22.08 | enouf | Ace2016: no, i recall famd from the sarge installation |
| 10:23.25 | giorgian | enouf: why doesn't debian add those groups? i mean, when i install debian, i'm asked for a username; at least that one should automatically be in cdrom, floppy, audio, video... shouldn't it? |
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| 10:24.20 | enouf | giorgian: file a wishlist bug - check with BTS first though for exisiting ones ;-) |
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| 10:28.22 | msshams | can you recommend me a good webmail client? |
| 10:28.45 | liable | your favourite browser? |
| 10:28.46 | Sling | firefox |
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| 10:30.09 | davi_ | What device does ALSA sound driver use? |
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| 10:30.30 | wols | davi_: /dev/snd/* |
| 10:30.37 | davi_ | thanks wols |
| 10:30.41 | enouf | liable: yo, waht's up - listen, i recall at kmuto a few months back, he mentioned about making an image for a friend who used an eeepc, it seems he edited out that? is it gone, am i missing it? has it moved? .. |
| 10:30.48 | mauser | iceweasel |
| 10:31.04 | liable | enouf: hmm, was there last time i looked. |
| 10:31.27 | enouf | liable: was it the .23? .24? i can't find it? |
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| 10:32.03 | davi_ | wols, I have these devices in snd: controlC1, midiC1D0, seq, timer. Should I enable some configuration option more? |
| 10:32.22 | liable | enouf: you're right, i cant see it now. i dunno which kernel it had. |
| 10:32.32 | enouf | davi_: what's the issue? no sound? /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 10:32.45 | qubodup | hello |
| 10:32.50 | enouf | liable: i thought it was the .24 one .. but sigh |
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| 10:32.58 | wols | !tell davi_ about alsa checklist |
| 10:33.08 | wols | enouf: doh! |
| 10:33.08 | liable | enouf: what do you need it for? |
| 10:33.25 | enouf | liable: on occassion. not for me personally |
| 10:33.30 | qubodup | I have a sound problem. I cannot hear anything via standard jack, but can over spdif. There are no error messages. Maybe somewhere is a *mute* I don't see. suggestions plz? |
| 10:33.34 | davi_ | thanks wols & enouf |
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| 10:34.07 | liable | enouf: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC we have a custom eee installer there |
| 10:34.20 | enouf | liable: no biggy, if it's missing/moved, must be for ggood reason .. ah |
| 10:34.43 | enouf | liable: thanks - it was moved/moerged, i guess - excellent |
| 10:34.55 | liable | np |
| 10:35.02 | qubodup | ok. changing something in alsamixergui helped ^^ thx for listening |
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| 10:39.18 | dalar | hello, i want to stream live video from a TV tuner to a LAN, anyone with experience can tip me a gppd solution before i start testing all the posible programs out there ? |
| 10:39.32 | dalar | s/gppd/good |
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| 10:39.55 | omry|work | is it possible to nfs mount a fuse mount point? |
| 10:40.02 | omry|work | (nfs export) |
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| 10:40.57 | msshams | can you pelase clarify these lines? |
| 10:40.57 | msshams | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:40.58 | msshams | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.58 | msshams | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:48.38 | orgthingy | what makes debian better than ubuntu? |
| 10:49.06 | Ace2016 | orgthingy: continuous updates, you never have to jump from version to version, ubuntu is completely rebuilt from scratch for every release |
| 10:49.24 | Sling | and ubuntu sounds like a disease |
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| 10:49.32 | orgthingy | hmm |
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| 10:49.43 | orgthingy | every version starts from scratch :S |
| 10:49.54 | Ace2016 | i just cruise along in debian sid, always the latest packages, only thing i have to do is run some updates via synaptic every week |
| 10:49.55 | orgthingy | thats like making a new windows Vista everytime |
| 10:50.30 | Ace2016 | orgthingy: actually it does a lot of good to start from scratch, they get to add new features with every release and add what they've learnt from the previous one |
| 10:50.51 | orgthingy | so |
| 10:51.00 | orgthingy | which one i should download/install in my pc? |
| 10:51.03 | orgthingy | debian or lonux |
| 10:51.06 | Assid | hrmm im thinking of moving a production box to lenny.. should i do it rightnow.. or wait till lenny goes stable |
| 10:51.06 | Ace2016 | whichever you want |
| 10:51.08 | orgthingy | u confused me xD |
| 10:51.20 | orgthingy | ubuntu* |
| 10:51.33 | Ace2016 | ok have fun with ubuntu |
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| 10:52.38 | Assid | anyone? |
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| 10:53.22 | RoyK | hi. where's the timezone settings in debian? |
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| 10:54.15 | Ace2016 | i think you can set it with the date command |
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| 10:54.45 | orgthingy | i think that Im gonna download Debian |
| 10:54.59 | RoyK | Ace2016: found it - tzselect |
| 10:55.06 | orgthingy | can i use Debian as live CD? |
| 10:55.15 | RoyK | orgthingy: debian doesn't have live cd |
| 10:55.23 | RoyK | orgthingy: get ubuntu |
| 10:55.24 | Ace2016 | debian is usually via a net install |
| 10:55.26 | enouf | !livecd |
| 10:55.26 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 10:55.30 | orgthingy | hmmm |
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| 10:55.51 | enouf | orgthingy: apt-cache show bootcd |
| 10:55.52 | RoyK | orgthingy: if you're looking for a desktop linux system, ubuntu may be better |
| 10:56.10 | Ed_ | does anyone know of existing debian installation tarballs? |
| 10:56.26 | Ace2016 | installation tarballs? |
| 10:56.28 | Ed_ | i just want to extract a debian install in a directory. debootstrap doesn't work on freebsd. |
| 10:56.33 | RoyK | Ed_: you mean a fresh install? |
| 10:56.37 | Ed_ | yes |
| 10:57.14 | Ace2016 | Assid: well lenny should be stable in september |
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| 10:58.01 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search systemimager |
| 10:58.28 | Ed_ | enouf: but i don't have a debian box. |
| 10:59.02 | enouf | Ed_: got to p.d.o |
| 10:59.06 | enouf | go* |
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| 10:59.48 | khajavi | HELP: in nautilus (ubuntu) I have a very friendly filemanager but in Debian when i click on any folder the new window will open. how can I install nautilus like ubuntu in Debian? |
| 11:00.18 | Bushmills | khajavi: install gnome |
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| 11:00.29 | Ed_ | planet.debian.org? |
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| 11:00.33 | Ace2016 | how did you typo go as p.d.o? |
| 11:00.37 | enouf | Ed_: packages. |
| 11:00.52 | Bushmills | khajavi: or just nautilus |
| 11:00.53 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 11:00.59 | Ace2016 | go to p.d.o |
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| 11:01.00 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 11:01.17 | enouf | khajavi: poke around in system/preferences maybe |
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| 11:03.27 | hellues | hey |
| 11:03.30 | hellues | i have a problem |
| 11:03.43 | hellues | cant compilee c file with kernel libraries |
| 11:03.57 | hellues | it sayid linux/init.h and module.h not found |
| 11:04.00 | hellues | pls help me |
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| 11:04.10 | wols | get kernel headers |
| 11:04.11 | enouf | hellues: which debian release? |
| 11:04.17 | wols | for your exact kernel |
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| 11:05.16 | hellues | lenny |
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| 11:05.21 | hellues | ü |
| 11:05.26 | hellues | i have headers |
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| 11:05.41 | hellues | wols, i have linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 11:05.43 | linuxguy | !update |
| 11:05.43 | dpkg | from memory, update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgradeor before looking for stuff with apt-cache search |
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| 11:05.53 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm backporting xorg and currently expirencing problems with a dependency. I get this error: "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: x-dev | xlibs-dev libx11-dev | xlibs-dev libxt-dev | xlibs-dev tcl8.4-dev (>= 8.4.2)". That's fine. I add 'x-dev' to the list of packages to be installed ("apt-get source -b <list of dependencies> xorg"), but it gives me the exact same error. Dosn't the pipe (|) mean that just one of them needs to be installed ? |
| 11:06.00 | hellues | enouf, i have debian lenny |
| 11:06.18 | enouf | hellues: pastebin entire command and errors |
| 11:06.41 | wols | Jemt: use the real X11 lib, not a dummy package |
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| 11:07.08 | hellues | enouf, okey |
| 11:07.09 | wols | hellues: and the output of dpkg -l |grep linux |
| 11:07.12 | Jemt | wols, Ah, okay. That would be "xlibs-dev libx11-dev" ? |
| 11:07.13 | linuxguy | Ive just done an apt-get update, but when Ive installed swiftfox...it says the gtk files need to be udated to ver 2.10......have i missed something out? |
| 11:07.16 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.21 | wols | Jemt: libx11 IIRC |
| 11:07.23 | hellues | how can i fix this error |
| 11:07.57 | wols | hellues: first by doing what we told you |
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| 11:08.57 | wols | !info libgtk2.0-1 |
| 11:09.01 | wols | !info libgtk2.0-0 etch |
| 11:09.25 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.20-7 (etch), Packaged size: 1582 kB, Installed size: 4080 kB |
| 11:09.37 | hellues | wols, |
| 11:09.51 | hellues | wols, enouf http://paste.debian.net/4102/ here |
| 11:09.54 | Jemt | wols: Oh, okay. Thank you :) |
| 11:10.35 | wols | hellues: you have no kernel headers installed at all |
| 11:10.49 | hellues | hmm |
| 11:11.02 | hellues | i installed linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 11:11.11 | hjb | Help! Where can i get older versions of packages? I need /debian/pool/main/g/grub2/grub-common_1.96+20080429-1_i386.deb which was recently updated on testing |
| 11:11.13 | wols | hellues: you lied |
| 11:11.18 | hellues | hmm |
| 11:11.26 | hellues | okey i check again |
| 11:11.27 | wols | !tell hjb about sdn |
| 11:11.42 | wols | hellues: you just checked. with that dpkg command |
| 11:11.57 | hjb | wols that's it. Thanks! |
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| 11:12.33 | hellues | sorry wols l |
| 11:12.37 | hellues | i forgat |
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| 11:14.42 | wols | hellues: does it work now? |
| 11:15.01 | hellues | i am downloading |
| 11:15.12 | enouf | you have linux-source/-tree, but you don't need that - if you had built your kernel from those sources and make-kpkg, and installed, you'd have the kernel headers from that build available |
| 11:15.23 | hellues | no |
| 11:15.26 | hellues | same mistakes |
| 11:15.45 | hellues | isame mistake s that i pasted to pastebin |
| 11:15.50 | enouf | hellues: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 11:16.10 | hellues | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2008-05-25 14:13 /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 11:16.25 | sigius | Q: How do I kill screen session without attaching to it ? |
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| 11:16.33 | enouf | ok, that's fine |
| 11:16.42 | wols | sigius: I usually use kill or killall |
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| 11:17.17 | wols | hellues: are kernel headers installed now? |
| 11:17.21 | hellues | yes |
| 11:17.35 | wols | pastebin the command I gave you again |
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| 11:17.45 | enouf | i have no idea what "cc hello.c" is supposed to do |
| 11:17.53 | phw | Hello here, i am currently remastering a knoppix(based on debian) cd. Where can i put in scripts that should be run on terminal 1 after startup? |
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| 11:18.23 | hellues | wols, http://paste.debian.net/4104/ |
| 11:18.47 | enouf | phw: try #knoppix |
| 11:19.20 | sigius | wols: what would the syntax be ? can you give an example |
| 11:19.25 | wols | hellues: but as you just told hellues you have the build/ directory now |
| 11:19.53 | wols | sigius:man kill. simply "kill <pid>" |
| 11:20.40 | sigius | wols: I want to use the screen command obviously |
| 11:21.10 | sigius | wols: you could have said, reboot your machine |
| 11:21.48 | wols | you said you want to kill the session. kill does this |
| 11:21.51 | hellues | wols, i have build directory in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/ |
| 11:22.03 | hellues | but there is no source folder in that directory |
| 11:22.09 | mxmx | i have this cron job for awstats, but t stoppped working 3 days ago, any idea why? |
| 11:22.10 | mxmx | http://pastebin.ca/1028729 |
| 11:22.14 | wols | hellues: there never is. only headers |
| 11:22.18 | hellues | can it be my problem ? |
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| 11:22.28 | wols | look for module.h |
| 11:22.30 | enouf | hellues: what are you trying to actually build? |
| 11:22.34 | cvn | hi how do i list all processes according to the amount of memory it takes up? |
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| 11:22.45 | wols | enouf: a hello world sample kernel module |
| 11:22.47 | hellues | enouf, i wrote hello world module |
| 11:22.56 | wols | cvn: top. press "M" |
| 11:22.58 | hellues | and i try to compilt this |
| 11:23.05 | sigius | wols: Yes, I said I wanted to kill a screen session |
| 11:23.13 | enouf | wols: does he need libc6-dev or similar? |
| 11:23.19 | hellues | system cant find init.h module.h |
| 11:23.33 | wols | enouf: no. things like module.h is part of the kernel headers |
| 11:23.58 | cvn | wols so i look at the %mem ? |
| 11:24.03 | enouf | cvn: yes, shift+m in top, or try htop too |
| 11:24.03 | hellues | my system has libc6-dev |
| 11:24.14 | wols | hellues: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.<tab> |
| 11:24.23 | enouf | wols: right, ok |
| 11:24.26 | wols | inside that dir somewhere there is /probably several) module.h |
| 11:24.33 | cvn | ah okay that does it |
| 11:25.09 | wols | hellues: dpkg -L <linux kerne headers package> |grep module.h |
| 11:25.09 | mxmx | anybody? |
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| 11:25.26 | hellues | ama biraz yavaÅ geldi bana :O |
| 11:25.31 | hellues | sorry |
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| 11:25.51 | hellues | wols, ok |
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| 11:25.55 | wols | mxmx: check logs. syslog |
| 11:26.27 | Jemt | Hm, during my backporting of xorg 7.3 I'm now running into a "looping" dependency problem. Package X depends on package Y that depends on package Z that dependes on package X. This is how I'm performing the installation: "apt-get source -b <dependencies reported missing> xorg". So I started with just 'xorg' and then added all the missing dependencies in front of xorg and so forth. Any suggestion on how to solve this problem ? |
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| 11:27.08 | wols | Jemt: why can't you apt-gte install depencencies? |
| 11:27.31 | mxmx | wols its in todays log, at 0:10, but there si no error, yet the stats arent updating |
| 11:27.57 | Jemt | wols, won't I need the dependencies from Testing? They might contain new functionality that xorg depends on (?) |
| 11:28.00 | wols | then add some debug stuff into awstats.pl and check what it does |
| 11:28.02 | hellues | wols, |
| 11:28.06 | hellues | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686/include/linux/module.h |
| 11:28.06 | hellues | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686/include/asm-x86/module.h |
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| 11:28.17 | enouf | apt-get build-dep xorg ? |
| 11:28.21 | wols | Jemt: if you do you are fscked anyways. then you need to backport them |
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| 11:28.28 | Jemt | enouf, Already done that |
| 11:28.49 | cvn | is there an alternate sql server instead of mysql which doesnt take up too much mem? |
| 11:29.05 | wols | cvn: not a server, but sqlite is smaller |
| 11:29.06 | Jemt | wols, true, I thought that was the way I was supposed to do it |
| 11:29.10 | sigius | wols, found the proper way: screen -S sessionname -X kill (or quit) |
| 11:29.11 | wols | postgres is also available |
| 11:29.20 | Jemt | wols, but I will try installing them instead. Thanks for the advise :) |
| 11:29.36 | wols | Jemt: do NOT install packages from testing |
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| 11:29.41 | wols | no binaries at least |
| 11:29.43 | Jemt | wols, I'm not |
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| 11:29.55 | Jemt | wols, I only have the src repos from Testing :) |
| 11:30.02 | cvn | wols: how much smaller is it? like 2 times? because my server memory is going bursting because of it =\ |
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| 11:30.17 | wols | cvn: tweak mysql then instead |
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| 11:30.26 | wols | you can edit its config and make it smaller |
| 11:30.28 | hellues | i have module.h in my headers |
| 11:30.34 | hellues | but i cannot compile why |
| 11:30.52 | cvn | wols do i do it in phpmyadmin? |
| 11:31.03 | cvn | is there a guide for it? |
| 11:31.04 | mxmx | wols: no idea how to do that |
| 11:31.09 | badcfe | if i backup with "dump", then can i restore on a differently dimentioned hdd or another filesystem type? |
| 11:31.27 | wols | !tell mxmx about grounding |
| 11:31.34 | Jemt | wols, Hm, I already have some of the packages installed. So I guess I need a newer version. So how do I proceed now? |
| 11:31.42 | Jemt | wols, I do have to backport it all then ? |
| 11:31.45 | wols | mxmx: and/or learn more about perl |
| 11:31.53 | wols | Jemt: maybe |
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| 11:32.11 | wols | sometimes it works if you edit dependencies instead |
| 11:32.14 | Jemt | Not the easiest package to backport :) |
| 11:32.14 | simmerz | hi. I've got a debian server with a mount that I'm using as a backup mount, via rsync. however, when i try and make a file on that mount it works fine, but creating a directory (even when logged on to the machine as a user) gives me an Input/output error. any ideas? |
| 11:32.24 | Jemt | wols, In the source code ? |
| 11:32.24 | wols | Jemt: there is a reason why there is no backport |
| 11:32.28 | Ace2016 | oh no, i just ran a loooong apt-get command i found to install deps, now i have a terminal full of ... set to manually installed. |
| 11:32.34 | wols | Jemt: dependencies are not in the source code |
| 11:32.37 | Ace2016 | how do i undo it and set them to automatically installed? |
| 11:32.41 | Jemt | wols, heh, obviously :) |
| 11:33.02 | Jemt | wols, okay. I'm thinking Java where dependencies are added as references |
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| 11:33.21 | Jemt | or C# .NET for that matter |
| 11:33.26 | wols | Jemt: dependencies for debian are in debian/ |
| 11:33.35 | Jemt | okay |
| 11:34.05 | enouf | hellues: i'm going to just guess some things, apt-get install build-essential gcc g++ , man update-alternatives |
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| 11:34.27 | khajavi | HELP: in nautilus (ubuntu) I have a very friendly filemanager but in Debian when i click on any folder the new window will open. how can I install nautilus like ubuntu in Debian? |
| 11:34.57 | Jemt | Hm, frustrating. I really need Xorg 7.3's ability to adjust the resolution properly |
| 11:35.08 | enouf | hellues: or perhaps there's a missing modules-<something> build pkg you need |
| 11:35.44 | enouf | hellues: or .. it can find your linux/modules.h because of some PATH issue(s) |
| 11:35.54 | hellues | i am begginner on debian enouf how can i do that |
| 11:36.43 | enouf | hellues: i'm guessing, because i have no idea what you are doing, i'm not a programmer - try what i mentioned above |
| 11:37.22 | hellues | how can i do that enouf i dont know too much thing on debian |
| 11:37.32 | enouf | all i know, is i would use gcc file.c -o file.<whatever> to make a simple c program |
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| 11:39.52 | jintxo | khajavi, I rember somewhere in gconf configuration editor you can change a Nautilus preference for that. don't remember the name of the setting though, sorry take a look in there. |
| 11:39.57 | enouf | (not to mention, for some reason, my gut tells me it's not a purely debian system) |
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| 11:41.28 | cvn | wols , i rebooted my system, but apache1 was started automatically. i wanted apache2 to start, how do i do that? |
| 11:41.38 | jintxo | use_browser or always_browser or something like that |
| 11:42.00 | hellues | wols, any kernel libraries doesnt work on my system |
| 11:42.03 | hellues | why is that |
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| 11:43.59 | enouf | Ace2016: where do you see manually installed or otherwise in apt-get? |
| 11:44.11 | Jemt | Odd, when I backport xorg 7.3, xlibs-dev is reported to be a dependency - but it only exists in Sarge (oldstable). Is this a mistake ? |
| 11:44.17 | Ace2016 | i ran apt-get install ... |
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| 11:44.33 | Ace2016 | it said the packages were already installed and it was setting it to manually installed |
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| 11:45.12 | enouf | if my apt-get ever did that, i'd stab it repeatedly |
| 11:45.29 | wols | Jemt: no |
| 11:45.37 | Ace2016 | isn't that what its should do? |
| 11:45.42 | wols | Jemt: I told you the name of the xlibs package |
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| 11:46.03 | wols | hellues: there are no "kernel libraries" |
| 11:46.14 | enouf | (but i wouldn't doubt the aptitude people are all for making apt-get become a broken mutant piece of crap) |
| 11:46.25 | wols | cvn: uninstall apache or at least edit your /etc/rc2.d |
| 11:47.04 | cvn | wols do i uninstall by just removing all directory containing apache? |
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| 11:47.24 | Ace2016 | remove and purge? |
| 11:47.30 | Jemt | wols, if I remember correctly, you suggested 'libx11-dev' which I tried. But that lead to all this "looping" dependency problems |
| 11:48.07 | hellues | but |
| 11:48.21 | enouf | Ace2016: newer apt-get now have aptitude dependency tracking functionality (and more), but i haven't used the newer versions yet - man apt-get |
| 11:48.28 | hellues | i have kernel-source linux-source package linux-headers linux-tree package |
| 11:48.35 | hellues | i have build-essantial |
| 11:48.45 | Ace2016 | oh right, but how did you find that out? |
| 11:48.47 | hellues | what must i do to have kernel libraries |
| 11:49.12 | simmerz | is it possible to access a remote nfs server through an ssh tunnel? |
| 11:49.31 | simmerz | or something to that effect |
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| 11:49.57 | Jemt | wols, could you verify that the package I just wrote is in fact the one you suggested? I might have misread what you "said" |
| 11:50.13 | enouf | Jemt: from your orig error of; "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: x-dev | xlibs-dev libx11-dev | xlibs-dev libxt-dev | xlibs-dev tcl8.4-dev (>= 8.4.2)" <--seems to me you need one pkg each from either sides of the | s |
| 11:50.58 | Jemt | enouf, Oh, that way! Thanks! :) |
| 11:51.20 | enouf | *shrugs* (hope it works) |
| 11:51.34 | Jemt | yea, thanks :) |
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| 11:52.54 | ndee | is there a way to bring up the console installer when I'm booted? |
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| 11:53.29 | maligor | booted? and console installer? |
| 11:54.08 | ndee | maligor: I installed the network-inst image without hooked up to the network, now I have a minimal system and want to bring up the installer again |
| 11:54.16 | ndee | so I can select the GNOME packages, etc. |
| 11:54.17 | maligor | tasksel? |
| 11:55.07 | enouf | ndee: do you have networking now? |
| 11:55.17 | ndee | I only have laptop and manual selection but I also don't have any other sources except the CD |
| 11:55.20 | ndee | enouf: yes |
| 11:55.39 | maligor | tasksel is the thing the installer should bring up |
| 11:55.40 | enouf | ndee: well, /msg dpkg mirrors, /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 11:55.55 | enouf | ndee: comment out the cdrom line |
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| 11:57.44 | useless_k1tty | Can I change /proc/$procID/cwd without adverse effects? |
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| 11:57.53 | VaRo_DJ | Good Days today :P |
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| 12:00.16 | enouf | cvn: you could use rcconf to stop apache1 from loading, or update-rc.d, or uninstall as mentioned |
| 12:00.25 | tarzeau | anyone plays bubnbros with me? |
| 12:00.29 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, yes, well, as far as I know chdir() does not have any scary effects besides changing the directory ;) |
| 12:01.54 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: how do I use chdir() ?? |
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| 12:02.03 | crazyfrog | how to restart inetd server? |
| 12:02.08 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, you can 'cd' in your interactive shell for example ;) |
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| 12:02.39 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, point being, I don't think you can modify /proc/$PID/cwd |
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| 12:02.58 | enouf | crazyfrog: ls -l /etc/init.d/*inet* , find the correct one, and issue /etc/init.d/<name> restart |
| 12:03.21 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: yeah. even though it has 777 I cant seem to manipulate it |
| 12:03.53 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: permission denied |
| 12:03.58 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, that's because the directory is not writable, all symlinks have 777 permissions (the target permissions are used instead) |
| 12:04.37 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, and /proc/ is kind of special, it's not like regular files, so you can't go changing/writing stuff except for special cases |
| 12:07.39 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: but it points to a directory on another fs (actually an iso on the same fs mounted loopback). and I cant umount the iso cause device is busy (I am running links with the mount point as $cwd), and I cant change the cwd because I dont have write perms. |
| 12:07.43 | cvn | how do i start sqlite? |
| 12:08.26 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, so you need to either stop links or make it stop accessing the directory |
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| 12:08.50 | hoxu | cvn, sqlite is not a server, clients are a different matter... |
| 12:09.05 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: stopping it doesn't help |
| 12:09.21 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, s/stop/kill/ |
| 12:09.32 | gradetwo | Any guys have idea about how to disable workoffline for firefox3? |
| 12:09.47 | cvn | hoxu i just want to have a sql database for my wordpress, can i jus use sqlite? |
| 12:09.54 | hoxu | gradetwo, remove from the menu or what? |
| 12:10.12 | hoxu | cvn, that would depend on whether wordpress supports sqlite, go ahead and check, I doubt it |
| 12:11.48 | gradetwo | hoxu: every time lauch the ff i need to disable the work offline in menu |
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| 12:12.15 | gradetwo | hoxu: it don't work to change set in about:config |
| 12:12.26 | hoxu | gradetwo, so go report a bug, it's not a release after all :p |
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| 12:12.48 | gradetwo | hoxu: thank u,i'll do it later |
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| 12:15.59 | xand | !iwl3945 |
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| 12:16.31 | amphi | !iwlwifi |
| 12:16.32 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. It is included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and the firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' (lenny/sid). See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945) Or ask in #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or ask me about <iwlwifi etch> <wireless tree> |
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| 12:19.34 | useless_k1tty | Is it possible to mount a loop filesystem rw ? |
| 12:20.23 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, think so, also: |
| 12:20.25 | hoxu | !fuseiso |
| 12:20.26 | dpkg | i heard fuseiso is a <fuse> module to allow users to mount ISO filesystem images, something that you can't do with mount/pmount. It's in debian since lenny |
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| 12:21.03 | phaidros | mount -o rw /dev/loop0 /mnt/path |
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| 12:22.20 | hoxu | or just mount -o loop,rw /path/to/iso /mnt/path |
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| 12:22.26 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: no, it doesn't work |
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| 12:22.31 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 12:22.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:23.01 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: it doesn't mount rw |
| 12:23.01 | NthDegree | What is failing? |
| 12:23.21 | hoxu | useless_k1tty, did you read that factoid? |
| 12:23.21 | xand | useless_k1tty: what FS? |
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| 12:23.22 | NthDegree | what sort of device are we talking here? |
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| 12:23.38 | scatterp | hi if i proxychain dchpd and add a long list of proxys to /etc/proxychains.conf does that mean any dchp client will have hes data load balanced across the proxy list ? |
| 12:23.38 | scatterp | hi if i proxychain dchpd and add a long list of proxys to /etc/proxychains.conf does that mean any dchp client will have hes data load balanced across the proxy list ? |
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| 12:23.43 | NthDegree | ext3 and jfs want a full fsck if they are badly messed up |
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| 12:24.01 | useless_k1tty | xand: iso9660 , looped |
| 12:24.23 | xand | useless_k1tty: iso9660 is read only |
| 12:24.26 | NthDegree | scatterp, it's a chain not a list, so i'd assume it chains through what you have listed |
| 12:24.28 | xand | so the answer is no |
| 12:24.48 | badcfe | what physically happens to the hdd if i constantly truncates and writes a file. will the platter be touched on each sync ? |
| 12:24.53 | NthDegree | useless_k1tty, you don't write directly to iso9660, a burner app does that |
| 12:25.06 | scatterp | hmm NthDegree is there a way just to loadbalance my data across a list ? |
| 12:25.39 | NthDegree | scatterp, not sure there, what are you trying to achieve? Anonymity? Tor does a better job of that |
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| 12:26.01 | scatterp | tor has limited end points |
| 12:26.11 | scatterp | im trying to get anonymity with more end points |
| 12:26.13 | NthDegree | it has approx 1000 |
| 12:26.33 | NthDegree | they are getting more and more exit points by the day |
| 12:26.33 | badcfe | i just found that there is a log file that is repeatedly truncated about once a sec. is this bad for the hdd platter? may it at some moment get corrupt? will at that moment the filesystem magically go using a new inode and mark the previous disk location as corrupt? |
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| 12:26.40 | scatterp | not suffient for my job i work in marketing and need to query search engines |
| 12:27.05 | NthDegree | ah, well try cgi proxies then |
| 12:27.10 | badcfe | in advance. thanks for reply (the thing happens on production and has run for a couple years already so i worry) |
| 12:27.12 | NthDegree | add them to your arsenal |
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| 12:27.37 | scatterp | NthDegree well what i am planing to do is buy a long proxy list and run dchpd on a linux box |
| 12:27.38 | NthDegree | there's a couple of hundred of them |
| 12:28.02 | scatterp | the thing is how i can make the connection from my machine to the proxy outs |
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| 12:28.16 | NthDegree | proxy lists won't help with anonymity, infact they may even get you legal issues |
| 12:28.40 | scatterp | they will stop me reaching sorry.google.com |
| 12:28.45 | scatterp | when trying to do a search.. |
| 12:28.50 | haxi | I need a program who can test the security of my website, anyone? |
| 12:29.03 | scatterp | haxi nmap and err |
| 12:29.06 | scatterp | satan |
| 12:29.09 | scatterp | get them 2 |
| 12:29.13 | NthDegree | nmap? it's a portscanner |
| 12:29.27 | haxi | scatterp: nmap and satan? |
| 12:29.29 | hoxu | haxi, that's overly vague |
| 12:29.36 | scatterp | hexi yes |
| 12:29.41 | haxi | ohk |
| 12:29.44 | scatterp | NthDegree he was overly vague |
| 12:29.45 | haxi | hoxu: ? huh? :P |
| 12:29.53 | scatterp | haxi get what i said it will do it |
| 12:29.58 | haxi | kk |
| 12:30.09 | scatterp | NthDegree do you see what i am trying to do / why ? |
| 12:30.11 | Bushmills | nessus too |
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| 12:30.21 | scatterp | haxi yes get nessus thats good also |
| 12:30.24 | dbmoodb | hi how can i mount / move my temp dir |
| 12:30.27 | dbmoodb | it is too small |
| 12:30.28 | NthDegree | sure |
| 12:30.32 | dbmoodb | my root dir is only 6.6gb |
| 12:30.34 | Bushmills | (think that's former satan before satan went commercial?) |
| 12:30.39 | dbmoodb | -- can i add another /tmp ? |
| 12:30.41 | scatterp | NthDegree whats your suggestion ? |
| 12:30.46 | Bushmills | or was it non-free |
| 12:30.49 | scatterp | Bushmills other way round |
| 12:30.54 | NthDegree | get a load of legitimate anonymity services |
| 12:31.13 | NthDegree | proxy lists are lists of insecure machines quintessentially |
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| 12:31.33 | NthDegree | and when you use proxies on the list you're exploiting such machines |
| 12:31.38 | Bushmills | scatterp: so how come that nessus comes with debian, but not satan? |
| 12:31.56 | NthDegree | there's the CoDeen network which are legitimate, but crippled |
| 12:31.58 | scatterp | Bushmills not sure if you check the site it has details |
| 12:32.01 | dbmoodb | ... Bushmills it doesn't come.. with nessus it is in the repo |
| 12:32.08 | scatterp | NthDegree whats the CoDeen network ? |
| 12:32.19 | mutante | isnt satan simply outdated? |
| 12:32.23 | dbmoodb | yep |
| 12:32.25 | scatterp | mutante yes |
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| 12:32.51 | scatterp | mutante but it does something and short of hireing a security consultant the more haxi does the better |
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| 12:33.41 | NthDegree | scatterp, a set of educational proxies ran by universities |
| 12:33.55 | hoxu | haxi, function is_my_web_site_secure() { echo 'Yes, it is!'; } # you can use this, it takes the website URL as first parameter |
| 12:34.03 | mutante | i thought so, because the o'reilly book on Satan was 99 cents used on ebay |
| 12:34.13 | NthDegree | scatterp, the others on proxy lists are generally compromised machines or insecurely set up proxies |
| 12:34.14 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: well.. "comes with" in the sense of "if you get the debian cds/dvds, there is nessus on them" |
| 12:34.29 | dbmoodb | Bushmills: not installed tho |
| 12:34.42 | Bushmills | not in the sense of "it is part of the base installation" |
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| 12:34.55 | Bushmills | but in the same sense, debian would come with a compiler, right? |
| 12:35.01 | Bushmills | wouldn't |
| 12:35.11 | dbmoodb | eh |
| 12:35.23 | dbmoodb | no |
| 12:35.25 | Bushmills | not installed ... |
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| 12:35.29 | dbmoodb | if it isn't installed then yes |
| 12:35.33 | scatterp | NthDegree thanks for the help :) |
| 12:35.43 | Bushmills | still, i'd say "debian comes with many compilers" |
| 12:35.47 | dbmoodb | NthDegree: help me with my encrypted disk ? |
| 12:35.54 | Bushmills | even if they're not installed by default |
| 12:35.59 | dbmoodb | Bushmills: debian as many compilers available to be installed |
| 12:36.04 | dbmoodb | the wording is important |
| 12:36.16 | dbmoodb | Bushmills: help me get some more /tmp please :)_ |
| 12:36.38 | Bushmills | ok. a debian cd "comes with" nessus. |
| 12:36.44 | dbmoodb | contains |
| 12:36.51 | Bushmills | and debian comes with "required" :) |
| 12:37.09 | NthDegree | dbmoodb, unfortunately I don't encrypt my hard disks so I don't know the procedure for it |
| 12:37.20 | dbmoodb | how would i do it normally ? |
| 12:37.50 | wols | !cryptosetup |
| 12:37.57 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: no problem. add disk, mkfs, mount at /tmp |
| 12:37.58 | wols | dbmoodb: or truecrypt |
| 12:38.16 | Bushmills | (though i think you wanted to illustrate something by asking for more tmp) |
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| 12:38.23 | Bushmills | i just don't know what |
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| 12:44.50 | Corporal_Jones | Hi, would anyone be able to help me with a debian isntall i'm trying to virtualise please |
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| 12:45.24 | dbmoodb | ah cryptsetup |
| 12:45.28 | dbmoodb | sorry for the delay |
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| 12:58.16 | hifi | so, I want to do a net install with hd-media, if I use the stock hd-media initrd and kernel there are no network components, if I boot with netinst initrd and kernel there are no disk drivers |
| 12:58.27 | hifi | what did I miss? |
| 12:58.54 | useless_k1tty | hoxu: NthDegree: The post here says to mount it and cp the contents out of the mount point to somewhere writable and then run mkisofs when finished, so that's what I've done. |
| 12:59.03 | useless_k1tty | http://unixadmintalk.com/f11/mounting-loop-iso9660-rw-68106/ |
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| 12:59.20 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:00.28 | Nyle | Good morning |
| 13:00.34 | Nyle | tarzeau, hey! whats up |
| 13:00.48 | tarzeau | Nyle: it's afternoon here, fine, i'd like to have more sun |
| 13:00.54 | Nyle | tarzeau, any cool new games you wanna tell me about? |
| 13:01.00 | tarzeau | Nyle: bubbros ? |
| 13:01.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:01.11 | tarzeau | Nyle: sauerbraten.org gets a new release soon |
| 13:01.12 | Nyle | that is old |
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| 13:01.45 | Nyle | tarzeau, thats so funny cuz it sounds like "sour britain" |
| 13:01.56 | Nyle | you know british people being snotty/sour hehe |
| 13:01.57 | Nyle | nm me |
| 13:02.38 | Nyle | tarzeau, I've been playing vulture's eye latelly |
| 13:02.46 | Nyle | tarzeau, are you familiar with it? |
| 13:02.54 | tarzeau | Nyle: is that one of the guis for nethack? |
| 13:02.59 | Nyle | indeed |
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| 13:03.03 | Nyle | slashem actually |
| 13:03.57 | Nyle | tarzeau, do you like open arena? or Nexuiz? |
| 13:04.18 | tarzeau | Nyle: no, only sauerbraten |
| 13:04.37 | Nyle | they are kinda like saur... FPS games, amazing gameplay and graphics |
| 13:04.46 | Nyle | top of the opensource gaming crop |
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| 13:06.14 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 13:06.15 | dpkg | i guess debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 13:06.32 | Nyle | that is also an outdated page i think, hasn't had any updates for a while |
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| 13:20.42 | pierreth | hello, is amd64 distribution working on intel 64 x86? |
| 13:21.02 | azeem | pierreth: yes, if it's a 64bit Intel |
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| 13:21.26 | pierreth | azeem: this amd and intel thing is confusing... |
| 13:21.36 | azeem | pierreth: historic reasons |
| 13:21.49 | Eulex | pierreth, and not a 64-bit itanium |
| 13:21.51 | pierreth | azeem: marketing i guess :-) |
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| 13:22.08 | pierreth | Eulex: no, it is not |
| 13:22.21 | Eulex | pierreth, then debian amd64 will run well on it |
| 13:22.35 | pierreth | Eulex: cool |
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| 13:22.51 | pierreth | I have moving from kubuntu to debian |
| 13:23.00 | pierreth | i am moving, i mean |
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| 13:23.17 | pierreth | i hope it more stable |
| 13:23.17 | Eulex | pierreth, the reason it's called amd64 is that amd invented the arch. |
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| 13:23.59 | pierreth | Eulex: it is bad to see the world stuck with the old x86 arch |
| 13:24.56 | tch23 | Hi! |
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| 13:27.23 | tch23 | I'm using the "Debian Etch" based 64studio, but all my package in synaptic are the old package (64studio 2.0 is one year old). What can I do to have the latest package? |
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| 13:27.45 | Eulex | tch23, ask the 64studio guys. we only do pure debian in here. |
| 13:27.59 | bluesceada | tch23: just the 64studio packages? or all? |
| 13:27.59 | pierreth | Eulex: will i be able to use Java with my am64 version of debian? |
| 13:28.17 | bluesceada | tch23: if you want to actualize the package list you should do "update" |
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| 13:28.39 | Eulex | pierreth, yes; only the plugin is missing |
| 13:29.12 | pierreth | Eulex: can I use the 32 bit version of the plugin? |
| 13:29.22 | tch23 | I did update, I get some new packages but I still have, for exemple, Ooo 2.0 |
| 13:29.31 | Eulex | pierreth, if you get yourself a 32-bit browser, you can do that. |
| 13:29.45 | bluesceada | tch23: yeah it probably shows OOo 2.0 (that's the name of the package) but the version is then 2.x |
| 13:30.00 | Bushmills | tch23: doing on your system what one would do with debian is likely to harm your system |
| 13:30.06 | Eulex | !tell tch23 about based on debian |
| 13:30.12 | pierreth | Eulex: 32 bit version are working with the 64 bit version of the OS? |
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| 13:30.57 | Eulex | pierreth, yes, as you can run i386 binaries with an amd64 OS, as long as all libraries needed are 32-bit |
| 13:31.21 | pierreth | Eulex: OK :-) |
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| 13:31.33 | Eulex | or have 32-bit versions installed |
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| 13:31.45 | Eulex | a common way to achieve this would be with a 32-bit chroot |
| 13:32.16 | bluesceada | tch23: if not then you rathre ask the 64studio people |
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| 13:43.20 | udarnik | how do I get a script executed after uswsusp resume? |
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| 13:43.48 | vjoe | hey |
| 13:45.31 | markybob | udarnik, i think you just add it to /etc/acpi/resume.sh |
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| 13:47.08 | Zenox | I'm having an RAID5 array using mdadm on Debian Lenny. It's always 100% used now, even if I delete several GB of data it's still 0 bytes available. Anyone? |
| 13:48.50 | crazyfrog | ls |
| 13:49.15 | Zenox | crazyfrog: ? |
| 13:50.00 | crazyfrog | sorry.i just taped in wrong place |
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| 13:50.22 | udarnik | markybob, thanks, think I tried that but will try again |
| 13:50.35 | markybob | udarnik, make sure you make it +x |
| 13:51.49 | udarnik | markybob, fair comment, but it was |
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| 14:03.05 | cvn | hi there seem to be a prob when i install mysql-server. it stopped at this line: Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 14:03.37 | NthDegree | useless_k1tty, just to confirm.. read the post below that :P |
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| 14:03.44 | NthDegree | useless_k1tty, sorry for the delay |
| 14:03.52 | wols | cvn: mysql has a log |
| 14:03.58 | cvn | where do i check it |
| 14:03.58 | NthDegree | useless_k1tty, UDF packet writing is the only "rw" file system |
| 14:04.20 | wols | cvn: where all the other logs are /var/log |
| 14:04.24 | tch23 | I'm back |
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| 14:05.22 | cvn | wols , both mysql.err and mysql.log are empty |
| 14:05.24 | tch23 | Well, I do confirm that when I installed openoffice I had the 2.0 version instead of the current one |
| 14:05.45 | tch23 | All my packege in 64studio are 1 year old |
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| 14:05.59 | tch23 | what can I do to replace then by new ones |
| 14:06.01 | tch23 | ? |
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| 14:09.18 | wols | tch23: ask ubuntustudio people not us |
| 14:09.28 | wols | !tell tch23 about ubuntu |
| 14:10.00 | tch23 | Why ubuntu studio? |
| 14:10.45 | tch23 | 64studio is debian not ubuntu |
| 14:11.36 | markybob | it's neither. it's based on debian |
| 14:12.12 | markybob | !based on |
| 14:12.12 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 14:13.56 | tch23 | ok |
| 14:14.03 | tch23 | thanks for your help |
| 14:14.07 | tch23 | it was a pleasure |
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| 14:15.21 | cvn | hmm anyone can help? i've been installing mysqlserver but it just stuck at: Stopping MySQL Database server: mysqld. || i look at the logs mysql.err and mysql.log but they are empty |
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| 14:16.11 | crazyfrog | can nice-value be changed by the ps-command? |
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| 14:20.28 | crazyfrog | i want to insatll a ISA-plug sound card into my old computer,what step should i do? |
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| 14:22.28 | markybob | crazyfrog, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO.html#AEN343 |
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| 14:26.16 | cvn | hmm is there a way i can view my disk space? |
| 14:26.34 | markybob | df -h |
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| 14:29.01 | crazyfrog | markybob:in my box,it has no pnpdump tool and in dmesg it shows some information about isapnp,but i can not issue it |
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| 14:30.44 | markybob | crazyfrog, i havent used those tools in my years. no idea which package they were in now |
| 14:31.18 | crazyfrog | markybob:thanks |
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| 14:33.57 | tweakism | yeah, no one here is going to know this but. is compiz-gtk broken on unstable? |
| 14:34.18 | tweakism | I have no window decorations. and get gtk-window-decorator is running, and decorations plugin is enabled. |
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| 14:36.35 | wols | crazyfrog: lspnp perhaps |
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| 14:37.59 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:38.00 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 14:38.03 | Nyle | tweakism, check the bts |
| 14:38.07 | tweakism | I did. |
| 14:38.14 | tweakism | there's a bug reported but the fix doesn't work. |
| 14:38.18 | tweakism | I already have the plugin enabled. |
| 14:38.24 | tweakism | I must have some other issue. |
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| 14:39.07 | Nyle | you are using compiz-fusion stuff? |
| 14:39.07 | tweakism | I dunno really where to start though |
| 14:39.16 | tweakism | gtk-window-decorator runs but there's no output |
| 14:39.18 | tweakism | Nyle: yeah |
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| 14:39.34 | Nyle | you have asked the guys in #compiz-fusion yet? |
| 14:39.48 | tweakism | yeah but, there doesn't seem to be anyone there ATM. |
| 14:40.06 | Nyle | uses KDE w/ compiz-confusion |
| 14:40.10 | tweakism | was kinda hoping someone would be like "yeah I had to fix that by X Y Z" :P |
| 14:40.15 | Nyle | no clue about gtk bullocks |
| 14:40.38 | tweakism | I wish emerald was in the repos. |
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| 14:40.57 | Nyle | you can get it, people have updated packages for sid |
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| 14:41.02 | emma | Why isn't emerald in the repos |
| 14:41.04 | tweakism | yewah? |
| 14:41.06 | Nyle | they askin them |
| 14:41.14 | tweakism | emma: it's listed as TO DO on the strikeforce page |
| 14:41.33 | Nyle | but 3rd party packages are there to utilize, and they work quite right |
| 14:41.41 | tweakism | attempts to find one |
| 14:41.51 | Nyle | just ask the people in the channel over there |
| 14:41.56 | tweakism | oh ok |
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| 14:42.21 | tweakism | oh and in reality I'm on testing |
| 14:42.29 | tweakism | I just installed all the compiz-fusion stuff /unstable |
| 14:42.34 | tweakism | I don't suppose that could be it? |
| 14:42.44 | tweakism | I mean if the deps are set right it should work. |
| 14:42.46 | emma | I realize this may not be the perfectly appropriate place to ask, so if anyone would like to answer me in an offtopic channel or in pm, please feel free to direct me there, but I would be very interested in hearing the most persuasive arguments for why I should switch from ubuntu, which I began Linux with (about 6 months ago) to Debian. |
| 14:43.07 | tweakism | emma: there aren't any. personal preference. |
| 14:43.15 | Nyle | emma, you can't be _told_ |
| 14:43.22 | emma | I'm asking not because I want to stir anything up but because I am very open to any reasonable ideas I'm not aware of. |
| 14:43.43 | tweakism | my reason is ubuntu is too 'magical' for me. whatever that means. |
| 14:43.45 | Nyle | emma, you just simply have to experience the awe and might of debian |
| 14:43.46 | mmlj4 | emma: it's a good place to ask |
| 14:43.48 | Nyle | ;D |
| 14:43.49 | tweakism | same reason I use django instead of ruby on rails. |
| 14:43.51 | mmlj4 | but why do you want to switch? |
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| 14:43.57 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:44.27 | DexterF | anyone know what libgtkpeer is? a java app wants it, same app works on another etch installation but not here and I can't figure why |
| 14:44.35 | mmlj4 | tweakism: now that just about nails it down, thanks :-) |
| 14:44.36 | DexterF | pdo says there's no package that has it |
| 14:44.38 | Nyle | why go by other's preferences, use both and decide what works best for you |
| 14:44.59 | Nyle | DexterF, apt-cache policy pkg and find out where its from |
| 14:45.09 | Nyle | maybe you don't have the mirror in sources.list? |
| 14:45.27 | tweakism | do you suppose I should use these sid repos for all of compiz, instead of the actual debian unstable |
| 14:45.32 | tweakism | http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 14:45.42 | Nyle | you are on unstable |
| 14:45.43 | emma | hm, well i must say that the Debian community seems to be friendly at least. |
| 14:45.44 | Nyle | why should you care... |
| 14:45.46 | DexterF | Nyle: heh, funny, it's not on the other box. dang. |
| 14:45.48 | tweakism | I'm on testing. |
| 14:45.59 | tweakism | so yeah, those packages would probably break stuff now that I think about it. |
| 14:46.03 | Nyle | then stop right there. |
| 14:46.21 | Nyle | I was under the impression that you are using sid |
| 14:46.30 | Nyle | DexterF, whats funny? |
| 14:46.31 | mmlj4 | emma: but ubuntu is debian under the hood... switching to straight debian would only be cosmetic... now suse, or centos, they've different... and something slackware-based such as archlinux, even more of a change from ewbuntu |
| 14:46.38 | tweakism | 10:42:21 < tweakism> oh and in reality I'm on testing |
| 14:46.39 | tweakism | 10:42:29 < tweakism> I just installed all the compiz-fusion stuff /unstable |
| 14:46.39 | jelly-home | !tell emma about why debian |
| 14:46.40 | Nyle | mmlj4, wrong. |
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| 14:46.54 | mmlj4 | wrong yourself |
| 14:47.03 | emma | Thank you jelly-home ! |
| 14:47.04 | tweakism | ubuntu makes a lot of changes to a lot of packages. |
| 14:47.05 | tweakism | a lot. |
| 14:47.16 | Nyle | !based on |
| 14:47.16 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:47.18 | DexterF | Nyle: jbidwatcher stops, says libgtkpeer not found so I thought its on the other box where jbw works, but it isn't. clueless. I'll bug the author. |
| 14:47.30 | emma | Does FF3 work better on Debian? I've found that FF has become almost unusable now on Ubuntu. |
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| 14:47.32 | Nyle | DexterF, heh |
| 14:47.32 | jelly-home | in fact, ubuntu's dpkg is more advanced than Debian's :-) |
| 14:47.36 | mmlj4 | tweakism: minor changes, not that big of a deal |
| 14:47.44 | tweakism | mmlj4: I disagree. |
| 14:47.51 | Nyle | this ubuntu talk in here is irritating me |
| 14:47.53 | Nyle | anyone else? |
| 14:48.01 | tweakism | no. |
| 14:48.20 | Nyle | hehe that was a rhetorical question |
| 14:48.23 | tweakism | :P |
| 14:48.24 | mmlj4 | well, since my only experience with ubuntu is disparaging it from a safe distance, I'll concede |
| 14:48.55 | tweakism | so how stable is unstable these days? I haven't ran unstable for like 6 years at which time it could be quite unstable. |
| 14:48.56 | stew | emma: iceweasel 3 is only in experimental in debian ATM. (it won't go into debian until it is actually released upstream). It is somewhat useable, but the things that make it unusable are upstream bugs that are going to affect any distro |
| 14:49.01 | mmlj4 | but answer the rest of my comment, about other distros |
| 14:49.02 | jelly-home | mmlj4: not a good idea to offer advice about things you don't really have experience with |
| 14:49.15 | stew | tweakism: not at all stable. its changing by hundreds of packages a day, and it will aways be this way |
| 14:49.31 | tweakism | I don't mind occassional breakage, but I've managed to be on testing and only pull select packages from unstable thus far. |
| 14:49.40 | emma | stew - Yeah so I wonder why Ubuntu decided to stick FF3beta in as the default browser in ther Long Term Release. |
| 14:49.55 | stew | emma: no idea. you'd have to ask them |
| 14:49.59 | Nyle | tweakism, you can really just build from the unstable src pakcages under testing |
| 14:50.09 | Nyle | tweakism, I wouldn't mix sid packages on debian/lenny |
| 14:50.10 | tweakism | emma: because FF3 final will be out soon and going from FF2->FF3 in LTS would be less acceptable. |
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| 14:50.25 | emma | tweakism: I see. |
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| 14:51.56 | stew | tweakism: and mixing, in general, should be ok. you should be mindful of when transitions are going on, however |
| 14:51.57 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove only the first byte in a file? |
| 14:52.00 | tweakism | emma: it's rather exactly a fork. |
| 14:52.01 | Nyle | tweakism, its merely to avoid dependency complications |
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| 14:52.05 | tweakism | just one that claims to contribute back. |
| 14:52.05 | emma | It's not like anyone at Debian said, "We don't like such and such, we are gonna do it different and call it Ubuntu" |
| 14:52.09 | HardDisk_WP | so that of ABCDE becomes BCDE |
| 14:52.10 | HardDisk_WP | in shell |
| 14:52.11 | stew | emma: tweakism: please try to keep the ubuntu comversation in #ubuntu |
| 14:52.31 | stew | HardDisk_WP: do you mean file contents? or filename? |
| 14:52.31 | tweakism | stew: they'll tell us not to talk about debian :P |
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| 14:52.37 | emma | stew - they won't welcome this sort of conversation in #ubuntu. |
| 14:52.37 | HardDisk_WP | stew, content |
| 14:52.37 | stew | tweakism: then try ##linux |
| 14:52.38 | tweakism | makes #debian-vs-ubuntu |
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| 14:52.49 | stew | tweakism: that would be fine too |
| 14:52.51 | emma | stew - however, I surely respect your desire not to have it here either :) |
| 14:52.54 | jelly-home | tweakism: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 14:53.03 | Nyle | anywhere but here |
| 14:53.07 | Nyle | use your best judgement |
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| 14:53.14 | HardDisk_WP | stew, any idea? |
| 14:53.15 | stew | HardDisk_WP: sed -i 's/.//;q' |
| 14:53.32 | HardDisk_WP | okay... shall I pipe the stuff? |
| 14:53.46 | stew | HardDisk_WP: that would make an in-place edit. if you want to pipe it, remove the -i |
| 14:54.05 | tweakism | I don't get the ssb factoid. |
| 14:54.19 | emma | Debian appears to have leadership and moderators that respect the users and control this channel in a way that makes people feel dignified and wanting to cooperate. I have to tell you that I'm really impressed by that, and it's a reason you might give others who are asking for reasons to switch. |
| 14:54.26 | stew | tweakism: ignore it, that is for stable users |
| 14:54.45 | tweakism | ok, so. pulling compiz from unstable is supposed to work. and in fact mostly works. |
| 14:55.07 | tweakism | maybe I should just build emerald from source, but it doesn't listen to --prefix and I would hate to have it break something when emerald is packaged for debian. |
| 14:55.18 | HardDisk_WP | stew, cat fw|sed 's.//;q' >fw2 makes a 55byte file out of 4MB |
| 14:55.28 | stew | tweakism: well though arguably, if you are going to be running unstable packages, you should understand it anyway, so ask questions |
| 14:55.38 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: is that a binary file? |
| 14:55.40 | mmlj4 | now, in #slackware they're happy no matter which fork of slack you choose to run or talk about ;-) |
| 14:55.41 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 14:55.43 | tweakism | stew: ask questions? |
| 14:55.55 | stew | tweakism: if you don't get the ssb factoid |
| 14:56.04 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, actually an Eumex firmware I try to rev-eng |
| 14:56.06 | Nyle | just for kicks I tried etch on my overclocked system, and the 32bit version if ok, but amd64 port is amazingly unstable, while on the same machine, the sid amd64 port as well as the 32bit sid is stable, more so than etch. what could cause random lockups under amd64 but not in 32bit etch, same machine, same specs, just a diff clock speed |
| 14:56.09 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: you could use dd. |
| 14:56.17 | tweakism | oh ok. well I understand the idea of backports packages. |
| 14:56.31 | tweakism | but is ssb trying to tell me how to build from source debs unstable packages on stable? |
| 14:56.57 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, that's ass-slow... dd if=fw_E800V_bl7409p14_v1.21.tey of=fw_E800V_bl7409p14_v1.21.tey.2 ibs=1 ob |
| 14:56.57 | HardDisk_WP | s=100 skip=1 |
| 14:57.03 | HardDisk_WP | it takes 67secs |
| 14:57.03 | tweakism | you might want to add the appropriate /unstable into the factoid, since I think running those commands will just build the stable packages. |
| 14:57.05 | stew | tweakism: not necessary on stable, but anywhere. in general, this is not necessary on testing |
| 14:57.16 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, which is far too slow :( |
| 14:57.20 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: how often are you planning to run it? |
| 14:57.22 | stew | tweakism: no, it tells you to add a unstable deb-src |
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| 14:57.43 | tweakism | ah, right. |
| 14:57.43 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, at least 2M times |
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| 14:58.02 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:58.18 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, somewhere in this firmware, a GZIP file is embedded |
| 14:58.18 | mahesh | can anyone help how to install drupal-5.7 in debian? |
| 14:58.26 | HardDisk_WP | i want to find out where its magic bytes are |
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| 14:58.43 | karmatronic | hi folks |
| 14:58.55 | tweakism | hey here's a general unix question for you. when you install something from source, that doesn't have make uninstall, is there an easy way to install it later? I currently have to keep a log of the make install and do it manually. |
| 14:58.56 | karmatronic | what s the recommended tool for making one-won cd ...? |
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| 14:59.01 | Nyle | I figure sid is newer, maybe thats why its more stable |
| 14:59.13 | hoxu | tweakism, you might want to take a look at checkinstall |
| 14:59.21 | karmatronic | tweakism: check checkinstall |
| 14:59.22 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, is there an easier way to do this? |
| 14:59.35 | Nyle | since probably the etch amd64 port is older and frozen |
| 14:59.41 | Bushmills | Nyle: compiler version differences maybe |
| 15:00.03 | Nyle | I just don't understand why a clockspeed would make the system unstable, while the same clockspeed on 32bit debian is perfectly fine |
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| 15:00.24 | tweakism | hoxu: omg that's awesome, how did I miss that all this time. I've even threatened to write it. |
| 15:00.26 | Nyle | Bushmills, maybe |
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| 15:00.46 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: why not just search for 0x1f 0x8b, or whatever the gzip signature is? |
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| 15:01.10 | tweakism | wow I can source build so-much-more-stuff now. |
| 15:01.10 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, from where did you get those bytes?^^ |
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| 15:01.47 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: I looked at a couple of .gz files. NO WARRANTY |
| 15:02.04 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
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| 15:02.09 | empiric | hi all any onw owrks on drbd in ubuntu 8.04 |
| 15:02.19 | karmatronic | empiric: .... |
| 15:02.20 | jelly-home | empiric: wrong channel |
| 15:02.24 | HardDisk_WP | jelly-home, and there is another zipped file in the fw, called webpages.ez |
| 15:02.28 | HardDisk_WP | what could be .ez? |
| 15:02.28 | Nyle | 1f 8b 08 |
| 15:02.36 | mmlj4 | tweakism: checkinstall |
| 15:02.39 | empiric | then which channekl |
| 15:02.41 | Nyle | look for binary file signatures on gogole |
| 15:02.43 | Nyle | google |
| 15:02.47 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 15:02.55 | Nyle | http://www.garykessler.net/library/file_sigs.html |
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| 15:03.04 | Nyle | search for 'gzip' |
| 15:03.12 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: no idea |
| 15:03.23 | HardDisk_WP | argh, google SUCKS |
| 15:03.26 | Nyle | you suck |
| 15:03.29 | Nyle | google rocks |
| 15:03.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:03.30 | HardDisk_WP | how do i force it to search for .ez |
| 15:03.33 | HardDisk_WP | instead of ez |
| 15:03.40 | Nyle | ".ez" ? |
| 15:03.49 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 15:03.50 | empiric | hey guys when i reboot my ubuntu 8.04 machine my resolve.conf files deletes any idea? |
| 15:03.52 | Nyle | inurl:".ez" |
| 15:03.52 | jelly-home | easy-peasy |
| 15:03.56 | Nyle | insite:".ez" |
| 15:03.58 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:04.09 | Nyle | go look at the google advanced search page |
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| 15:04.14 | jelly-home | empiric: #ubuntu |
| 15:04.15 | HardDisk_WP | Noven, also dont work |
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| 15:04.59 | mmlj4 | wow, that's even better than telling him the answer, I'm impressed |
| 15:05.14 | HockeyInJune | Does GRUB 1.96 still use grub.conf? I installed GRUB, and the configuration file does not exist, when I boot, I get the grub prompt. If I create grub.conf correctly, will I get a normal Boot Menu? |
| 15:05.34 | Nyle | mmlj4, isn't it though, he will learn more about hwo to search google if he reads the page himself |
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| 15:05.38 | tweakism | HockeyInJune: do you need menu.lst instead? I think it looks for either, but mine is always menu.lst |
| 15:05.46 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: "grub.conf" is what redhat calls "menu.lst" |
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| 15:06.16 | HockeyInJune | Not using Red Hat, its slackware |
| 15:06.22 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: ... |
| 15:06.26 | Nyle | so ask in #slackware ? |
| 15:06.36 | Nyle | its like me going to a burgur king and askig for a Big Mac |
| 15:06.37 | Nyle | ... |
| 15:06.37 | jelly-home | ah, it's Sunday. |
| 15:06.46 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 15:06.46 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:06.52 | HockeyInJune | >< Sorry, I am using Debian now, I dont know why I said slackware |
| 15:07.03 | jelly-home | right :-) |
| 15:07.06 | tweakism | Nyle: the worst part of that is they give you a whopper. it sucks to like dr pepper and coke but not mr pibb or pepsi. |
| 15:07.19 | HockeyInJune | Does menu.lst have the same syntax as grub.conf? |
| 15:07.23 | tweakism | HockeyInJune: yes. |
| 15:07.46 | karmatronic | Nyle: mc donald is so much better than burger king anyway... |
| 15:07.53 | HockeyInJune | Alright. So, I should just create the file, and it should work? |
| 15:08.03 | tweakism | HockeyInJune: one imagines. |
| 15:08.08 | mmlj4 | this is silly, but predictable |
| 15:08.15 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:08.16 | HockeyInJune | heh, Thanks guys |
| 15:08.35 | Nyle | HockeyInJune, update-grub |
| 15:08.43 | Nyle | shoudl generte one for you |
| 15:09.11 | Bushmills | rat on a stick? rat in a bun? |
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| 15:09.14 | jelly-home | HockeyInJune: if you do not already have /boot/grub/menu.lst, something is wrong with your setup |
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| 15:09.18 | HockeyInJune | aw dude awesome |
| 15:09.28 | Nyle | or read /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst |
| 15:10.27 | mwnn | Hi, I installed debian using the netinst cd. After installing the base system I then installed xfce and xdm. I am getting the shutdown option in xfce |
| 15:10.58 | Nyle | mwnn, and... |
| 15:11.38 | mwnn | is there a way to enable the shutdown option |
| 15:11.38 | mwnn | only the logout option is enabled |
| 15:11.38 | jelly-home | "not" |
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| 15:13.45 | Nyle | only root can issue a shutdown afaik |
| 15:13.57 | Nyle | users can only log out |
| 15:14.11 | Nyle | its probably an xfce config option, maybe.. try #xfce, or it could be an xdm option, |
| 15:14.11 | NthDegree | xdm can do a shutdown |
| 15:14.11 | Nyle | I'm not really sure |
| 15:14.17 | Nyle | NthDegree, as a user? I doubt that |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | well I know GDM definitely can |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | yes as a user |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | XDM itself runs as root |
| 15:14.27 | Nyle | thats fucking dangerous. |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | not for a desktop |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | which is what XDM is for |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | only idiots would run it on a server |
| 15:14.27 | Nyle | but if its a desktop used by multiple users? |
| 15:14.27 | NthDegree | yes it can shutdown the same way GDM does |
| 15:14.27 | Bushmills | HockeyInJune: grub, or grub2? |
| 15:14.28 | Nyle | but thats not right |
| 15:14.28 | NthDegree | GDM warns you if multiple users are logged in |
| 15:14.28 | Nyle | you want me to come by 4 minutes after you and turn off yoru pc? |
| 15:14.28 | NthDegree | but doesn't stop you |
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| 15:14.30 | gusnan | mwnn, http://dilettante.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/etch-from-scratch-xfce-shutdown/ |
| 15:14.30 | Nyle | how would you like that |
| 15:14.32 | hellues_ | verry hot :D |
| 15:14.37 | Bushmills | hmm .. hang on ... grub 1.96 is grub2 of lenny. there is no menu.lst with grub2 |
| 15:14.38 | NthDegree | Nyle, that is what xscreensaver is for, it can lock the system |
| 15:14.48 | Nyle | but what if i don't want a screensaver? |
| 15:14.52 | mwnn | gusnan: Thanks!! |
| 15:14.57 | NthDegree | Nyle, use lock screen then |
| 15:15.09 | gusnan | mwnn, I think it should work, havn't tried myself. |
| 15:15.09 | Nyle | what if I just not let users shutdown the system? |
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| 15:15.12 | NthDegree | Nyle, besides the power button works too if you have ACPI enabled |
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| 15:15.26 | Nyle | well ya got me there ;) |
| 15:15.30 | tweakism | Nyle: you can always just disable GDM being able to issue shutdown.. |
| 15:15.30 | mwnn | gusnan: I will try it now. |
| 15:15.42 | NthDegree | yeah but by default it allows it |
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| 15:15.47 | NthDegree | GDM and XDM both do |
| 15:16.05 | Nyle | but my point is, if he isn't able to, then maybe the option to shutdown as user is disabled |
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| 15:16.18 | Nyle | why/how we got here i forget now |
| 15:16.29 | Nyle | but tell him how to fix it if you know how |
| 15:16.34 | Nyle | i don't. |
| 15:16.42 | xlotlu | is there some check that could keep me from doing stupid things like untaring 2GB over a nfs mount? |
| 15:16.57 | tweakism | no. |
| 15:17.05 | Nyle | yes |
| 15:17.08 | Nyle | there is |
| 15:17.15 | Nyle | stop smoking crack ;) |
| 15:17.18 | tweakism | haha |
| 15:17.24 | xlotlu | :) |
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| 15:17.47 | Nyle | check yo self foo' |
| 15:17.50 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:17.51 | tweakism | grr, I can't even find the freakin' emerald sources. |
| 15:17.59 | Bushmills | right. resort to mushrooms. much better |
| 15:18.31 | Nyle | Bushmills, back home in baton rouge, we have tons of cow fields and perfect weather all year round and perfecet humidity for shroom year round |
| 15:18.33 | xlotlu | it's the 3rd time this week i forget to ssh into that machine *first* |
| 15:18.36 | Nyle | but thats neither here nor there. |
| 15:18.48 | Bushmills | Nyle: digging the piles :) |
| 15:19.11 | PhorceP | Why am I getting a "No kernel modules were found" error when trying to install lenny i386 from a PXE netboot? This worked a few weeks ago, but not now. |
| 15:19.11 | Nyle | xlotlu, one time I logged into the wrong machine about 6 months ago and then reinstalled it |
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| 15:19.14 | Nyle | :/ |
| 15:19.23 | tweakism | Nyle: oooouch. |
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| 15:19.40 | Nyle | yeh.. debootstrapped a wrong server |
| 15:19.50 | xlotlu | debootstrapping the wrong machine: priceless!! |
| 15:20.00 | hellues_ | mike portnoy is greatest drummer of the world |
| 15:20.01 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 15:20.08 | Nyle | hellues_, #music |
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| 15:20.37 | hellues_ | sorry one of the greatest drummer |
| 15:20.39 | Bushmills | hellues_: /j #personal_opinions |
| 15:21.48 | tweakism | hellues_: dude, neil peart. |
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| 15:24.58 | joelsolanki | Hi room |
| 15:24.58 | markybob | this is a channel |
| 15:24.58 | joelsolanki | :) |
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| 15:24.59 | hellues_ | what neil peart :D |
| 15:25.00 | nivanson | I am running my system on this software raid card. How can I find out what model is or what module it uses? |
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| 15:25.00 | Nyle | still, please discuss music in #music |
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| 15:25.06 | Nyle | PhorceP, checked the bts regarding lenny's d-i |
| 15:25.06 | Nyle | check* |
| 15:25.45 | Nyle | nivanson, lspci? hwinfo? maybe... |
| 15:25.51 | joelsolanki | i m having some problems with installing few packages |
| 15:26.03 | Nyle | !tell joelsolanki -about ask |
| 15:26.28 | PhorceP | nyle: what? |
| 15:26.34 | joelsolanki | ok |
| 15:26.58 | Bushmills | joelsolanki: i'm having two spoons of sugar in my tea |
| 15:27.15 | nivanson | Nyle: ĺspci did the trick, thank you! |
| 15:27.17 | Nyle | oof |
| 15:27.21 | Nyle | !whats my hardware |
| 15:27.21 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 15:27.39 | nivanson | :D |
| 15:27.41 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:27.44 | joelsolanki | i m installing some application. which tells me " Package libc6 is not installed " so i did apt-get install libc6 but that is not working. i m using debian sarge |
| 15:27.44 | Nyle | just remember for later on |
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| 15:27.58 | tetraedr | hi everyone |
| 15:28.01 | Nyle | hi |
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| 15:28.13 | tetraedr | I want to move from etch to lenny(testing) how do I do that? |
| 15:28.21 | hoxu | !tell tetraedr about etch->lenny |
| 15:28.34 | liable | joelsolanki: its probably after a newer version of libc6. why are you still running sarge? |
| 15:28.36 | Nyle | joelsolanki, I think support for sarge has ended |
| 15:28.40 | Nyle | !oldstable |
| 15:28.40 | dpkg | it has been said that oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian GNU/Linux, currently Sarge (3.1). Previously, Woody. Get old Sarge ISO's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:28.42 | bamar | hello, is there a way to make it imposible or harden a lot the change of MAC adress localy ? |
| 15:28.54 | Nyle | joelsolanki, you could upgrade to etch. |
| 15:29.03 | Nyle | !sarge->etch |
| 15:29.05 | joelsolanki | yes actually one of the softwware i m using is done on sarge |
| 15:29.10 | Nyle | doh! |
| 15:29.10 | PhorceP | bts? |
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| 15:29.16 | joelsolanki | so unfortunately i have to use sarge :( |
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| 15:29.36 | tetraedr | are there any tools to see existing mirrors? |
| 15:29.38 | webPragmatist | what's a good backup util for linux that allows you to make daily/weekly/monthly snapshots? |
| 15:30.00 | webPragmatist | preferably of the disk image if possible |
| 15:30.02 | asg | webPragmatist: everything from dump/restore to tar all the way to backuppc and bacula |
| 15:30.03 | Nyle | !ping |
| 15:30.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:30.32 | webPragmatist | asg: what about using rsync? |
| 15:30.48 | joelsolanki | so any help on this please ? |
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| 15:31.07 | tetraedr | any ideas on util for changing sources.list? |
| 15:31.16 | Nyle | support for sarge has ended, though some kind soul may still be able to help you |
| 15:31.31 | PhorceP | joelsolanki: http://rootprompt.org/article.php3?article=11603 |
| 15:31.32 | webPragmatist | asg: is backuppc has a web interface ... interesting |
| 15:31.59 | Nyle | I think its like 1 year usually or 18 months usually after a new stable is released |
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| 15:32.04 | Bushmills | bamar: is blocking outgoing traffic if the MAC is wrong good enough? |
| 15:32.19 | Nyle | joelsolanki, what software is it? |
| 15:32.25 | PhorceP | nyle: please expand bts and d-i |
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| 15:32.37 | Nyle | PhorceP, ? |
| 15:32.50 | Nyle | explain? |
| 15:32.52 | Nyle | !bts |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 15:32.55 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 15:32.56 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 15:33.20 | joelsolanki | well a company has configured firewall/database server and lot of java programming and it needs debian sarge only :( |
| 15:33.34 | Nyle | joelsolanki, hp server by any chance? |
| 15:33.48 | joelsolanki | no |
| 15:34.08 | bamar | Bushmills: ok, then suggest best protection vs man-in-the-middle atacks in a LAN |
| 15:34.10 | Nyle | so how are you installing this said application? |
| 15:34.32 | Nyle | joelsolanki, building from source or you have acquired pre built binaries |
| 15:35.02 | joelsolanki | they have a setup.sh file and it says me few packages are needed which are not currently installed on sarge. so i was trying to install it but things are not coming along :L( |
| 15:35.07 | Bushmills | bamar: well, if MAC is changed (requring root), output filters could be changed too, that's not a protection, therefore. |
| 15:35.47 | Bushmills | bamar: maybe removing kernel capabilities could help there, but you'd have to ask somebody else, or look it up in the net. |
| 15:35.55 | Nyle | joelsolanki, but how could you not have libc6 ? |
| 15:35.56 | tweakism | do I need something other than apt-get install git to get the 'git' command? |
| 15:36.00 | Nyle | scratches head |
| 15:36.16 | liable | tweakism: git-core iirc |
| 15:36.18 | joelsolanki | well i installed libc6-dev too |
| 15:36.23 | jdavis | I did "aptitude hold <pkg>" but safe-upgrade still tries to upgrade it. Am I misunderstanding something? |
| 15:36.42 | joelsolanki | still it didnt worked. still digging |
| 15:37.12 | bamar | Bushmills: i have box0 and box1 , box1 is filtering comunication with box0 via MAC adress if box0 is compromised but can't change it's MAC it will be kind of hard to comunicate with box1 |
| 15:37.13 | Nyle | joelsolanki, look at the build script |
| 15:37.20 | Nyle | joelsolanki, its probably a goof there |
| 15:37.29 | joelsolanki | yes looking at it. |
| 15:37.29 | Bushmills | bamar: though i might be on the wrong track. you might refer to arp cache, not to the MAC of the nic. |
| 15:37.59 | Nyle | jdavis, that should do it afaik |
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| 15:38.24 | joelsolanki | Nyle: i heard debian sarge was very stable version. i m really not a user of debian. i use redhat/fedora/centos |
| 15:38.38 | Bushmills | bamar: "compromised but can't change it's MAC" why should it change its mac? |
| 15:38.39 | abrotman | joelsolanki: sarge no longer has security support |
| 15:38.50 | joelsolanki | one of my friend uses debian in servers and i was told debian are very good for servers. |
| 15:39.06 | Bushmills | if it's compromised, you take it off line., |
| 15:39.15 | joelsolanki | hmm |
| 15:39.48 | tetraedr | any ideas on tool for changing sources.list? |
| 15:39.57 | asg | tetraedr: any editor will do |
| 15:39.58 | Nyle | Bushmills, you'd figure you wouldn't have to tell people that... but people eh? |
| 15:39.59 | amphi | vim? |
| 15:40.00 | Nyle | hehehe |
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| 15:40.03 | Bushmills | tetraedr: they are called "text editors" |
| 15:40.05 | emma | amphi you beat me to it! |
| 15:40.07 | Nyle | amphi, my man whats up |
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| 15:40.26 | Bushmills | Nyle: there is the chance that i don't understand the problem yet. |
| 15:40.27 | flowolf | anyone here with sid and an nvidia 9600 gt? |
| 15:40.29 | amphi | not much, I'm lying down |
| 15:40.30 | Nyle | amphi, hey you seem to be the local compiz mastermind |
| 15:40.38 | amphi | a pleasant torpor |
| 15:40.40 | Nyle | amphi, good nice to lie down once in a while |
| 15:40.53 | Nyle | amphi, tweakism is having trouble having his compiz on debian working |
| 15:40.54 | tetraedr | asg: I need something that will get current mirror list, find the fastest one and write it to sources.list. text editor you say? I want to see it :) |
| 15:40.58 | flowolf | it needs beta drivers to work and I'm looking for some package to install them |
| 15:41.00 | asg | tetraedr: apt-spy |
| 15:41.04 | tetraedr | thnx |
| 15:41.36 | Nyle | amphi, something about window decoations while everything seems to be inroder otherwise |
| 15:41.44 | tweakism | flowolf: it's not the debian way, but I generally use nvidia's installer. |
| 15:41.53 | Nyle | !ping |
| 15:41.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 15:42.04 | amphi | Nyle: he wants emerald, which is not packaged by debian, it seems |
| 15:42.05 | tetraedr | !pong |
| 15:42.05 | dpkg | i heard pong is the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 15:42.10 | flowolf | tweakism: I hate that :-| |
| 15:42.16 | tweakism | flowolf: me too. |
| 15:42.29 | Nyle | amphi, where is it located as unstable packages? |
| 15:42.29 | flowolf | why don't they package beta drivers? |
| 15:42.46 | Nyle | tweakism, you are wanting to build it all from git? |
| 15:42.51 | amphi | Nyle: no idea - I build all such stuff from git here |
| 15:42.52 | Bushmills | asg: tried apt-spy thrice, ended up with unreliable mirrors twice ... fast but not problem prone. i had the impression that those were fast because people avoided them. |
| 15:42.57 | Nyle | amphi, same |
| 15:43.01 | tweakism | amphi: actually, I don't.. hey wait, aren't you from #compiz? I actually would be happy is compiz-gtk/unstable worked for me. I'm on testing, installed the compiz/unstable packages. gtk-window-decorator doesn't decorate my windows. |
| 15:43.08 | Bushmills | fsat but problem-prione |
| 15:43.11 | Bushmills | grr |
| 15:43.15 | tweakism | amphi: otherwise it seems to be running.. no console output. decorator plugin is enabled. |
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| 15:44.22 | amphi | tweakism: nvidia? |
| 15:44.23 | flowolf | looks like it is the only way |
| 15:44.24 | flowolf | too bad |
| 15:44.39 | tweakism | amphi: yeah. |
| 15:44.43 | tweakism | amphi: known bug? |
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| 15:53.11 | Bushmills | hehe.. should ubuntu reaches v16, we might alias it to "Portly Pete" |
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| 15:55.53 | acehigh | sup |
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| 15:57.17 | Python1320 | update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered |
| 15:57.21 | Python1320 | What does that mean? :\ |
| 15:57.40 | Python1320 | I got it while I was trying to upgrade from etch to lenny |
| 15:57.41 | Python1320 | http://pastebin.org/38418 |
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| 15:59.48 | PhorceP | Nyle: I'm only seeing one bug with that error in it from this year and it is over a month old: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473830#4 |
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| 16:06.02 | xingu | aah, that's the way |
| 16:06.15 | xingu | shoes off, speckled hen in hand |
| 16:06.24 | Nyle | hen |
| 16:06.30 | Nyle | hm you must not be american |
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| 16:06.42 | Nyle | people here just say 'chicken' |
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| 16:06.50 | Nyle | no one uses the terms rooster, cock, hen anymore |
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| 16:06.59 | gravity | I don't call speckled hen chicken. |
| 16:07.02 | amphi | it was the Speckled Band! |
| 16:07.05 | Nyle | at least not in my life so far in america |
| 16:07.08 | gravity | Nyle: You know it's a beer, right? |
| 16:07.12 | Nyle | gravity, no clue |
| 16:07.16 | Nyle | but just saying in general |
| 16:07.24 | Nyle | people just say chicken instead of hen or rooster or cock etc. etc. |
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| 16:07.44 | lydgate | are there reasons that etch packages are updated besides security issues? and more generally is there some kind of changelog for each package, or a list of why things are getting updated? |
| 16:07.55 | dendrite | Nyle: Well, I for one like to use ALL the varios colloquial descriptors for my gallinacious friends. |
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| 16:08.23 | dendrite | various, even. |
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| 16:08.40 | gravity | lydgate: Yes, there's a changelog for every package in /usr/share/doc/yourpackagename/changleog.Debian.gz |
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| 16:09.01 | Nyle | dendrite, ever had ostrich? |
| 16:09.10 | gravity | lydgate: You can use the apt-listchanges program to automatically print new changelog entries on package upgrade. Just dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges and have it show you the changelogs in addition to NEWS entries |
| 16:09.13 | lydgate | gravity: ah, great, thanks |
| 16:09.13 | dendrite | Nyle: Yes. It was good. |
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| 16:09.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:09.19 | dendrite | Nyle: |
| 16:09.22 | Nyle | dendrite, snake? |
| 16:09.25 | dendrite | Argh. Very red meat... |
| 16:09.27 | Nyle | not a fowl, but still. |
| 16:09.32 | Nyle | snake is warm |
| 16:09.34 | dendrite | Yes, snake. Rattler. |
| 16:09.36 | Nyle | like ostrich meat |
| 16:10.01 | Nyle | mmm beer and a juicy steak :) |
| 16:10.12 | Nyle | I think I might go out to dinner tonight |
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| 16:12.02 | Nyle | gravity, I have recently found the dpkg-reconfigure for xorg to be very ... |
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| 16:12.09 | Nyle | whats the word I'm looking for |
| 16:12.13 | Nyle | good? |
| 16:12.14 | dendrite | Useless? |
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| 16:12.23 | dendrite | Well, not useless. |
| 16:12.25 | gravity | Both, hopefully |
| 16:12.25 | Nyle | it actually worked for the first time in my life recently |
| 16:12.34 | amphi | heh |
| 16:12.35 | dendrite | Just, if it doesn't get it right on the first crack, you're SOL. |
| 16:12.40 | gravity | dpkg-reconfigure will go away. And in doing so it'll actually be a good thing. |
| 16:12.42 | gravity | That's the hope |
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| 16:12.47 | Nyle | where I didn't have to manually write an xorg.conf from scratch |
| 16:12.54 | Nyle | gravity, really? |
| 16:12.54 | gravity | So yeah, it's becoming more and more useless by design. |
| 16:12.56 | Nyle | why come? |
| 16:12.56 | gravity | Yes |
| 16:13.02 | Nyle | if you dont' mind telling |
| 16:13.03 | gravity | Do you like configuring X? |
| 16:13.11 | Nyle | gravity, no |
| 16:13.12 | Nyle | I do not. |
| 16:13.27 | gravity | Nyle: Neither do I. Neither does anyone else really. So the goal is to make it just configure itself and work every time. |
| 16:13.34 | Nyle | but there are some things I would like to tweak/modify/_configure_ |
| 16:13.45 | gravity | Nyle: Like what? |
| 16:13.52 | dendrite | gravity: Screen resolution. |
| 16:13.54 | Nyle | well I guess I never used the reconfigure anyway so it doesn't matter |
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| 16:14.03 | gravity | dendrite: That's what xrandr and various randr interfaces are for |
| 16:14.12 | dendrite | gravity: K. |
| 16:14.17 | gravity | How often do you reconfigure your kernel drivers these days? |
| 16:14.28 | dendrite | gravity: I'll have to eventually re-learn the X config landscape, no doubt. =) |
| 16:14.41 | Nyle | gravity, not very often after the initial setup |
| 16:14.54 | Nyle | or until the system is as fine tuned as I like |
| 16:14.57 | gravity | Nyle: I haven't had to configure my kernel in years. |
| 16:15.09 | Nyle | gravity, I'm sure you haven't had the need to |
| 16:15.17 | gravity | The goal is to get X to that point. If you really need to do config, you still have xorg.conf or something similar. |
| 16:15.30 | Nyle | gravity, I concur |
| 16:15.52 | gravity | The debconfage stuff was a lot of code that really is obsolete these days. The server is much smarter than the script, so we're going with the server. |
| 16:15.53 | Nyle | gravity, and about how long do you think that will take? |
| 16:16.01 | Nyle | gravity, do we need to take away your beer supply? |
| 16:16.03 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:16.15 | gravity | Nyle: I don't know. A few years probably. |
| 16:16.16 | xingu | gravity: hey |
| 16:16.24 | emma | I have had to mess with xorg.conf in order to get my marble mouse roller-ball working correctly with all it's buttons and such. |
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| 16:16.32 | Eulex | I'm looking forward to when X configures itself. would solve the issues where people not very familar with linux switch hardware and linux magically stops working |
| 16:16.41 | emma | Are you saying that eventually X should just automaticall know how to handle that? |
| 16:16.44 | Nyle | nothing ever configures itself |
| 16:16.48 | gravity | emma: Yeah, input needs frontends, but all the input rework that's going on will allow that, probably via HAL though instead |
| 16:16.52 | Nyle | not even the 'almighty' windows |
| 16:17.10 | xingu | gravity: came across a heavy duty problem the other day for your collective noodle; couldn't work out how to persuade xorg to _not_ autoload a driver where there was a corresponding *.ids entry for the hw |
| 16:17.12 | gravity | emma: Not today, but in the future hopefully, or at least you'll get a nice GUI interface to configure it |
| 16:17.14 | emma | HAL is magical to me. |
| 16:17.29 | emma | No idea how that really works. But it sure does work. |
| 16:17.32 | Nyle | recently the xen hypervisor has become magical to me |
| 16:17.37 | webPragmatist | what the hell language was this translated from |
| 16:17.37 | webPragmatist | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/BackupPC |
| 16:17.40 | xingu | gravity: and in the process, also couldn't work out how to control binding order of that whole area |
| 16:17.42 | gravity | xingu: It'll only autoload a driver if you don't specify one in your xorg.conf |
| 16:17.42 | Nyle | I've been reading more and more about it and like being in awe |
| 16:17.50 | webPragmatist | "This file should copied first times, before we change it with our attitudes by doing # cp -a config.pl config.pl.org" |
| 16:18.02 | gravity | xingu: Just specify what you want, like vesa, in xorg.conf, and all that code should be skipped. |
| 16:18.04 | webPragmatist | bangs head on desk |
| 16:18.11 | Nyle | webPragmatist, stop that. |
| 16:18.14 | xingu | gravity: hmm; not in this case; autoloaded ati_drv _despite_ a driver for fglrx being spec'd |
| 16:18.25 | Nyle | webPragmatist, get a glass of water, relax for a minute. |
| 16:18.26 | gravity | xingu: Ok, that's a bug. Did you file it? |
| 16:18.29 | xingu | gravity: xorg in lenny from memory |
| 16:18.40 | xingu | gravity: no, alas; will do if it crops up again |
| 16:18.43 | gravity | I thought I tested those bugs away |
| 16:18.58 | gravity | xingu: Ok, please do. That's not supposed to happen. |
| 16:19.14 | xingu | gravity: figured; how about binding order? that'll be needed in the long term |
| 16:19.30 | Nyle | webPragmatist, now whats the problem? |
| 16:19.31 | xingu | gravity: ie, the third party guys will want conf.d/... kinda semantic |
| 16:19.32 | Eulex | gravity, what would happen in that case if it failed to find the fglrx driver? would it fail or fall-back to ati? |
| 16:19.42 | Nyle | Eulex, omg! |
| 16:19.48 | Nyle | Eulex, you are using fglrx by any chance? |
| 16:19.51 | gravity | xingu: It's not really good right now. It's whatever order the server finds the ids, and it just takes the first one. I never made an executive decision and implemented something. |
| 16:19.52 | Eulex | I'm not |
| 16:19.55 | Eulex | I did |
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| 16:19.57 | Nyle | awe |
| 16:20.12 | Eulex | xingu appears to be doing |
| 16:20.14 | Nyle | Eulex, about how long ago? |
| 16:20.15 | xingu | gravity: ok; just flagging it, it's going to hit you like an oncoming train one day |
| 16:20.23 | live | how can I use usb storage devices on sarge? |
| 16:20.24 | gravity | xingu: The idea is to just let the server make a choice that should work (because every choice should at least bring up a server) and then let the user override if they care |
| 16:20.25 | xingu | Eulex: nope; nvidia here. |
| 16:20.25 | Nyle | xingu, fglrx? which card? |
| 16:20.29 | Nyle | eh |
| 16:20.36 | gravity | xingu: Oh, I know. I've been pondering that question for years. There's no good answer. |
| 16:20.41 | Nyle | I'm the only moron who bought ATI? :( |
| 16:20.53 | xingu | gravity: there's an existing policy mechanism - alternatives |
| 16:21.03 | Eulex | Nyle, half a year ago, when I got my new laptop |
| 16:21.09 | gravity | xingu: That's totally unusable and inappropriate for this |
| 16:21.16 | xingu | gravity: just do what modprobe does - conf.d/ each driver's bindings, then use a tool to build an ordered concat in a single file |
| 16:21.29 | Eulex | Nyle, actually, the future of ati on linux seems brighter than nvidia's, at least on a short term. |
| 16:21.32 | Nyle | I got this x1900 for 250 usd |
| 16:21.38 | Nyle | a while ago |
| 16:21.41 | Nyle | like 2 years |
| 16:21.49 | gravity | xingu: That's still no solution because it doesn't specify a sorting policy |
| 16:21.49 | xingu | gravity: then let the driver worry about precedence via alternatives |
| 16:21.49 | Nyle | bad ass at the time and now it sucks |
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| 16:21.57 | gravity | xingu: Then you get in to driver wars |
| 16:21.57 | Nyle | Eulex, how so? |
| 16:22.02 | xingu | gravity: ;) |
| 16:22.11 | xingu | gravity: ok fair enough |
| 16:22.21 | Eulex | Nyle, ati/amd has begun releasing hardware interfacing specs |
| 16:22.25 | gravity | xingu: I've talked about this with other xorgers a bit, and no one really agrees. I'm just going to have to decide something one day and do it. Not that I have any time to work on X lately |
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| 16:22.43 | xingu | gravity: if I ever see that fglrx v ati behaviour again I will bug it; it definitely happened that way though, m-a installed fglrx too. |
| 16:22.52 | xingu | gravity: so keep one eye open |
| 16:22.53 | xingu | ;) |
| 16:23.00 | Eulex | Nyle, I also disovered that the nvidia driver wasn't _that_ much better than fglrx. it's crashing at least once a day here. |
| 16:23.03 | Nyle | hmm about time |
| 16:23.18 | Nyle | but still it will be a while before OSS can put something forth using those specs |
| 16:23.24 | xingu | gravity: in the end even removing the pci id from ati.ids didn't help; had to mv ati_drv.so out of the way to get fglrx to bind |
| 16:23.25 | gravity | is also really is not excited about coding C lately |
| 16:23.59 | gravity | xingu: Hrm, that's odd. I don't know what would cause that. |
| 16:24.04 | Nyle | Eulex, on debian fglrx latest is beatiful |
| 16:24.14 | gravity | Anyway... laundry. |
| 16:24.25 | xingu | gravity: ditto, looked counterintuitive; cheers, and keep up the good stuff :) |
| 16:24.30 | Nyle | Eulex, on every single ubuntu releae i give it a shot,and every time its horribly unstable for me, x locks up, alt ctrl backspace freezes the system etc. etc. |
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| 16:24.37 | Eulex | Nyle, I heard it has improved in terms of speed, yes, at least. and gained aiglx support. |
| 16:24.42 | Nyle | Eulex, plus compiz-fusion on fglrx/debian is faster |
| 16:24.45 | Nyle | dunno about other distros |
| 16:24.55 | xingu | gravity: suspect _maybe_ the user wasn't restarting xorg on exit from their display manager, but ... anyway. |
| 16:25.03 | Nyle | Eulex, which card do you have? |
| 16:25.05 | Nyle | Eulex, do you game? |
| 16:25.29 | xingu | gravity: actually scratch that, they _were_ restarting - reboot and all. |
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| 16:25.49 | xingu | odd |
| 16:25.54 | xingu | whatever ;) yesterday's problem |
| 16:25.56 | Eulex | Nyle, an x300 in the old laptop, an 8400m gs in the new one. I do game occasionally, but not very often. I do however develop opengl apps. |
| 16:26.07 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 16:26.25 | Nyle | i mostly always just boot into xp pro x64 and play oblivion |
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| 16:26.55 | Nyle | on linux there are not many quality rpg games to enjoy |
| 16:27.00 | Eulex | I also have windows for pure gaming. I can't bother to muck around with wine to get stuff to work. |
| 16:27.04 | Nyle | so i game less in linux |
| 16:27.27 | Eulex | actually, I game quite a lot in linux, but then I play rougelikes, but mostly nethack. |
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| 16:27.40 | Nyle | highest score? |
| 16:27.53 | Eulex | little over a million I believe |
| 16:28.01 | Eulex | never ascended yet, but getting closer |
| 16:28.01 | Nyle | remembers making it to dungeon level 5 once can't remember points |
| 16:28.21 | Nyle | nethack is too hard for me though I find slashem to be slightly easier |
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| 16:28.30 | webPragmatist | Nyle: just trying to find a decent backuppc how to |
| 16:28.40 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:28.44 | Nyle | what kind of backups do you want? |
| 16:28.50 | Nyle | local or network? |
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| 16:28.55 | Nyle | remote* |
| 16:28.59 | webPragmatist | local.... to a NAS |
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| 16:29.03 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.05 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.10 | webPragmatist | jshiz9032: neat |
| 16:29.11 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
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| 16:29.13 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.15 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.17 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.19 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
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| 16:29.21 | Nyle | !ops jshiz9032 is being a tool |
| 16:29.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: jshiz9032 is being a tool |
| 16:29.23 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
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| 16:29.33 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.35 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.37 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
| 16:29.39 | jshiz9032 | fuck all :) |
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| 16:29.45 | webPragmatist | congrats on the slowest flood ever |
| 16:29.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:29.53 | cekz | Hi, I am working on script that will tell me what OS is installed, would someone know the best way to figure it out on debian? does debian have the lsb_release command ? |
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| 16:30.02 | jshiz1114 | fuck all :) |
| 16:30.04 | jshiz1114 | fuck all :) |
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| 16:30.06 | jshiz1114 | fuck all :) |
| 16:30.07 | wols | cekz: yes but not always installed |
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| 16:30.12 | wols | !tell cekz about versin |
| 16:30.15 | wols | !tell cekz about version |
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| 16:30.22 | dsds3202 | fuck all :) |
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| 16:30.36 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 16:30.36 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 16:30.54 | cekz | !monday |
| 16:30.54 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
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| 16:31.01 | cekz | eh |
| 16:31.01 | Nyle | !tuesday |
| 16:31.02 | dpkg | i heard tuesday is soylent green day |
| 16:31.02 | cekz | :D |
| 16:31.06 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:31.07 | Eulex | cekz, I do not believe it has that by default, though it can be installed |
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| 16:31.21 | webPragmatist | Nyle: so whats up? |
| 16:31.29 | Nyle | uhm yeh hang on |
| 16:31.34 | Eulex | so it's not reliable for checking the debian version |
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| 16:31.45 | cekz | Eulex, ok, I am trying to find a generic way to get that information accross several distros (fedora, centos, debian) mainly. |
| 16:31.50 | webPragmatist | I have the web interface going but i was expecting to be able to add jobs through that heh |
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| 16:31.59 | dsdfv8318 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
| 16:31.59 | dsdfv9616 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
| 16:31.59 | dsdfv9616 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
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| 16:32.00 | dsdfv8318 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
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| 16:32.07 | cekz | someone is bored. |
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| 16:32.14 | Nyle | godamn |
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| 16:32.15 | Nyle | fuck |
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| 16:32.23 | dsdfv8318 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
| 16:32.23 | Nyle | that gave me eye cancer |
| 16:32.25 | dsdfv8318 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
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| 16:32.31 | dsdfv8318 | fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all fuck all |
| 16:32.32 | webPragmatist | good thing i don't have colors on |
| 16:32.36 | wols | azeem: please remove him |
| 16:32.53 | Nyle | me neither |
| 16:33.01 | Nyle | but my irssi is very much colorized in the theme dept |
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| 16:33.03 | Eulex | cekz, /etc/debian_version will work; but take into account that some debian-based distros still have it, and the contents of it then does not really make sense |
| 16:33.09 | ivalladt | whatever happened to xmms? tit's no onger available on debian sid or latest ubuntu... |
| 16:33.11 | Shadowcat | whatever happened to the days when irc trolls were interesting |
| 16:33.11 | Nyle | and for some reason I had joins/parts/ unignored |
| 16:33.12 | Nyle | ... |
| 16:33.20 | Shadowcat | like 20 bots flooding the channel all at once |
| 16:33.27 | Nyle | Shadowcat, since you stopped coming around as much :) |
| 16:33.28 | Eulex | !xmms |
| 16:33.29 | dpkg | from memory, xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. It has been removed from Debian (although it is still in etch), see http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms/news/20080302T105714Z.html For alternatives, look at xmms2, rhythmbox, amarok, exaile, songbird, quod libet ... see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
| 16:33.30 | Shadowcat | at least that was entertaining |
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| 16:33.33 | Nyle | oooh burn ! ;) |
| 16:33.44 | dimedo | hi there, is there a good documentation about manually setting up an encrypted root partition on lvm with initramfs somewhere? |
| 16:34.06 | cekz | Eulex, hmmm then maybe my script should try to cat /etc/*-release so that it gets info of either debian or centos, since centos uses redhat-release |
| 16:34.31 | wols | cekz: ubuntu has such a version file too |
| 16:34.41 | Eulex | cekz, debian_version |
| 16:34.47 | wols | cekz: debian has no /etc/*release |
| 16:34.48 | Nyle | webPragmatist, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Complete-Backup-and-Recovery-HOWTO/ |
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| 16:34.57 | Nyle | webPragmatist, take a look here |
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| 16:35.07 | cekz | dang |
| 16:35.10 | Nyle | make friends with tldp too |
| 16:35.47 | cekz | <I'll need to setup weveral distros test machines in order to figure out the best way to get that info. Thanks for the insight! |
| 16:35.57 | cekz | s/several |
| 16:36.04 | Eulex | cekz, I suggest using qemu |
| 16:36.47 | Nyle | oh wait |
| 16:36.59 | Nyle | scrolls up |
| 16:37.01 | cekz | Eulex, thanks for the tip |
| 16:37.03 | webPragmatist | Nyle: it says Zip drive too much |
| 16:37.49 | PhorceP | I am getting a "No kernel modules were found" error when trying to install lenny i386 from a PXE netboot. This worked a few weeks ago, but not now. The newest bug with this error is from early April. |
| 16:38.04 | Nyle | webPragmatist, nm |
| 16:38.06 | wols | I need to automatically check out something from cvs in a script but cvs login of course has a password prompt. any way to avoid the prompt? |
| 16:38.29 | Nyle | i thought you were trying tno do something or other |
| 16:38.35 | Nyle | webPragmatist, what kind of backup do you want? |
| 16:39.08 | Nyle | differencial, incremental, drive imaging, system imaging, config backups? |
| 16:39.14 | Nyle | what? |
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| 16:39.33 | webPragmatist | drive imaging + incremental ? |
| 16:39.35 | webPragmatist | heh? |
| 16:39.45 | Nyle | crackhead... :) |
| 16:40.08 | xingu | cekz: the usual approach is to just repackage your release and let the user download the correct one. |
| 16:40.52 | xingu | cekz: deals with dependency tracking issues rather conveniently too |
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| 16:41.24 | webPragmatist | Nyle: I found this so i'll be occupied http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html |
| 16:41.25 | cekz | xingu, I worked in a datacenter. I want to write a script that outputs all the information upon install. so far I have cpu/ram/hd. missing the OS part |
| 16:41.36 | Nyle | webPragmatist, I suggest http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/index.html |
| 16:41.39 | webPragmatist | didn't think documentation was considered "FAQ" |
| 16:41.40 | cekz | but no linux distros work the same way on that subject |
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| 16:42.25 | Nyle | rsync is very good at what it does |
| 16:42.37 | Nyle | combined with other tools you can write your own backups scripts |
| 16:42.39 | webPragmatist | yea i have used rsync |
| 16:42.42 | Nyle | or buy me a lot of pot |
| 16:42.45 | Nyle | and i'll do it for ya |
| 16:42.47 | Nyle | you konw |
| 16:42.50 | Nyle | whatever is good for you |
| 16:42.52 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:43.11 | xingu | cekz: hook it in under net-snmp via pass_persist and poll it ;) |
| 16:43.22 | webPragmatist | any idea the pros and cons of bacula vs backuppc? |
| 16:43.31 | Nyle | i've never used backuppc |
| 16:43.35 | cekz | xingu, sorry. but you lost me :D |
| 16:43.35 | Nyle | never even heard of it til today |
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| 16:47.51 | dijz | Hi, I can not see DVD on Debian Sid, I get "Encrypted or faulty DVD" in gxine, and similar thing in mplayer. I have all packge for this, i think that is problem about my kernel... can you look http://paste.debian.net/4147/ from /var/log/kern.log? there is a lot of mesagems which repaet at 2 seg |
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| 16:48.06 | Nyle | what about libdvdcss2? |
| 16:48.20 | Nyle | you need that installed in order to decrypt the DVD |
| 16:48.27 | dijz | Nyle: i have it |
| 16:48.30 | webPragmatist | Nyle: ok i will explore both bacula and backuppc.... |
| 16:48.34 | MrBobBarker | hello, whenever I use the nvidia driver in my xorg configuration it seems to have trouble detecting proper displaydevices, always defaulting to TV-0 instead of my DFP, I've tried to force it with UseDisplayDevice |
| 16:49.03 | Eulex | MrBobBarker, did you try using nvidia-settings? |
| 16:49.19 | lydgate | webPragmatist: looked at rdiff-backup? I only use duplicity but rdiff-backup seems like it could be good |
| 16:49.30 | Nyle | thats not your kernel |
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| 16:49.44 | dijz | Nyle: I have linux-image-2. 2.6.24-6 Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
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| 16:50.13 | dijz | Nyle: what? |
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| 16:51.01 | Nyle | wth is with my browser |
| 16:51.14 | Nyle | your pastebin link took me to a site with ads about laptops... |
| 16:51.20 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:51.32 | Nyle | my double click copied from // onwards |
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| 16:52.17 | MrBobBarker | Eulex: you can't exactly use that application without actively running the driver first |
| 16:53.15 | xingu | MrBobBarker: is your dfp really a dfp? perhaps you need to use CRT instead? |
| 16:53.19 | Eulex | MrBobBarker, oh right |
| 16:53.32 | xingu | MrBill: dfp is just for lvds inbuilt displays in things like notebooks. |
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| 16:54.18 | xingu | ... maybe |
| 16:54.45 | xingu | reparses |
| 16:55.12 | Nyle | dijz, is it just this one DVD? |
| 16:55.23 | MrBobBarker | xingu: I'll try it out |
| 16:55.35 | Nyle | dijz, what about other DVD's? burnt? pressed? data? |
| 16:55.46 | xingu | MrBobBarker: CRT is definitely used for anything connected to the d-sub 15 |
| 16:55.50 | tweakism | I can't see where this started, but for nvidia's driver, DFP is anything connected via DVI, and CRT is anything connected via VGA. |
| 16:55.55 | tweakism | DFP is def. not just for laptop screens. |
| 16:55.56 | Nyle | dijz, what error does mplayer give you? |
| 16:55.56 | xingu | MrBobBarker: DFP _might_ include DVI or LVDS |
| 16:55.59 | dijz | Nyle: It have movie, I buy it |
| 16:56.04 | xingu | tweakism: cheers |
| 16:56.22 | dijz | Nyle: moment please about mplayer |
| 16:56.48 | MrBobBarker | well I'm connecting via DVI |
| 16:56.52 | MrBobBarker | which is why I was using the DFP setting |
| 16:56.57 | tweakism | MrBobBarker: on mine, I have to tell it UseDisplayDevice "DFP-0" (instead of just DFP) |
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| 16:57.03 | Nyle | dijz, btw seek complete errors mean a bad drive usually |
| 16:57.06 | MrBobBarker | I've attempted that as well tweakism |
| 16:57.12 | tweakism | MrBobBarker: also I really use ConnectedMonitor, not UseDisplayDevice.. have you tried that? |
| 16:57.19 | MrBobBarker | nope, I'll try that now |
| 16:57.19 | tweakism | They're supposed to be the asme, but.. |
| 16:57.57 | xingu | ConnectedMonitor has a magic property - it tells the driver to add that display during early init, _before_ it sorts the displays for the first time for automatic twinview layout |
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| 16:58.27 | xingu | if your display is taking a while to respond to edid because it's busy changing modes sometimes it'll get skipped |
| 16:58.58 | dijz | Nyle: I put the dvd in computer and immediately I get this mesagens from kernel at xconsole |
| 16:59.04 | xingu | typically, on HD-TV screens that have say 2x DVI + 1x HDMI + d-sub 15 input |
| 16:59.10 | tweakism | MrBobBarker: if it's a laptop, DVI out might be DFP-1 |
| 16:59.20 | Nyle | dijz, do other DVDS WORK!! |
| 16:59.27 | Nyle | or just this movie? |
| 16:59.49 | dijz | Nyle: mplayer dvd://1 >> Playing dvd://1. >> There are 4 titles on this DVD. "..." >> No stream found to handle url dvd://1 >> Exiting... (End of file) |
| 16:59.59 | MrBobBarker | tweakism: it's a desktop with one VGA and one DVI, and using ConnectedMonitor crashed my box |
| 17:00.07 | MrBobBarker | but that was in combination with UseDisplayDevice |
| 17:00.08 | xingu | ouch |
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| 17:00.12 | MrBobBarker | should I only be using one at a time? |
| 17:00.28 | SpookyET | How is debian itself? Derivatives like Ubuntu are buggy and slow. |
| 17:00.37 | MrBobBarker | might be worth it to try out DFP instead of DFP-0? |
| 17:00.38 | tweakism | MrBobBarker: yes, one at a time. |
| 17:00.41 | xingu | MrBobBarker: using both should be fine if you're using the -n variants (eg DFP-0) |
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| 17:00.53 | xingu | does precisely that ;) |
| 17:00.55 | tweakism | MrBobBarker: xingu knows more about this than me |
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| 17:01.10 | xingu | MrBobBarker: just out of interest, what driver rev? |
| 17:01.40 | MrBobBarker | latest beta, 172. |
| 17:01.42 | MrBobBarker | official installer |
| 17:01.49 | xingu | ok that should be fine on that front then |
| 17:02.10 | dijz | Nyle: I try, dvd which did works, no more works |
| 17:02.17 | xingu | MrBobBarker: so try UseDisplayDevice "DFP-0" + ConnectedDevice "DFP-0" |
| 17:02.33 | xingu | MrBobBarker: if that fails, snarf up /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:02.44 | xingu | MrBobBarker: that'll tell you the 411 on display detection |
| 17:02.47 | kevind23 | My home key is broken ;-; |
| 17:02.54 | MrBobBarker | connecteddevice? not connectedmonitor? |
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| 17:03.05 | MrBobBarker | and is there a way I can print out a list of valid devices? |
| 17:03.11 | xingu | ConnectedMonitor |
| 17:03.13 | xingu | sorry, braino |
| 17:03.14 | MrBobBarker | I'm just going by this DFP thing based on the forum/manuals I read |
| 17:03.15 | chairmeleon | hello :) are there any debian lenny netinst images with built in (Intel) WLAN support? |
| 17:03.24 | tweakism | MrBobBarker: any DVI out is definitely DFP-0 |
| 17:03.32 | tweakism | trust me, I've been deep in nvidia documentation for days. |
| 17:03.44 | Eulex | chairmeleon, which of the intel ones? |
| 17:03.47 | xingu | MrBobBarker: Xorg.0.log will tell you about what's being detected |
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| 17:04.10 | chairmeleon | Eulex: I guess it's supported by ipw3945 |
| 17:04.22 | xingu | MrBobBarker: prior to detection (either during early init -> logged in Xorg.0.log, or later by dynamic twinview -> visible in nvidia-settings) the devices don't exist at all |
| 17:04.50 | xingu | MrBobBarker: the dynamic twinview layer actually creates the damn things on demand :) |
| 17:04.57 | lagbolt | MrBobBarker, have you tried Option "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "DFP" |
| 17:04.59 | chairmeleon | Eulex: Intel PRO 4965. says lspci |
| 17:05.10 | tweakism | lagbolt: that won't help I don't imagine. |
| 17:05.43 | lagbolt | is he not using twinview? i am trying to scroll back to see what he was talken about. it is defaulting to tv out? |
| 17:05.51 | tweakism | I don't think he is. |
| 17:05.59 | dijz | Nyle: hmm, bad drive, so I may but another dvd/cdrom-player for the computer.. it works for cdrom... |
| 17:06.02 | tweakism | but that just changes which monitor is xinerama #0 and #1 |
| 17:06.13 | tweakism | doesn't help if it doesn't even have the correct outputs in the first place |
| 17:06.19 | xingu | ... and a better way to do that these days is TwinViewOrientation |
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| 17:06.49 | tweakism | xingu: I was helping my friend, and for him, swapping his monitors and changing twinview orientation, would swap the numbers! so he had to use that option |
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| 17:06.54 | Eulex | chairmeleon, any installer with a 2.6.24 kernel (the lenny one does afaik) should have the iwl4965 driver; however, you will also need the firmware. I would actually be surprised if it was included with an installer, as it is non-free... |
| 17:07.36 | abrotman | haven't they been replaced by iwlwifi |
| 17:07.43 | xingu | tweakism: TwinViewOrientation "DFP-1 LeftOf DFP-0" ? |
| 17:07.46 | MrBobBarker | xingu: seems whenever I use ConnectedMonitor "DFP-0" it crashes my box |
| 17:07.51 | Eulex | chairmeleon, http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 17:07.51 | tweakism | xingu: yeah |
| 17:08.03 | xingu | MrBobBarker: ok, so with that config what is Xorg.0.log saying? |
| 17:08.07 | MrBobBarker | even when I use ConnectedMonitor without using UseDisplayDevice at the same time |
| 17:08.19 | MrBobBarker | xingu: I don't think it writes a log, it crashes before that |
| 17:08.19 | chairmeleon | Eulex: ty |
| 17:08.29 | xingu | MrBobBarker: plug both in and snarf up Xorg.0.log for us to see - it should _always_ write a log |
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| 17:08.54 | xingu | MrBobBarker: xorg piddles its gumpf in there before nvidia_drv is even loaded |
| 17:08.57 | MrBobBarker | xingu: that was the original time I crashed, the log shows options that I've turned off since I made the changes |
| 17:08.58 | Eulex | chairmeleon, getting the firmware would require you to either temporarily get wired networking connected to your computer, or transferring the firmware with some other means |
| 17:09.52 | chairmeleon | Eulex: ah what the heck, I'll just plug in a wire |
| 17:10.06 | MrBobBarker | yeah, the timestamp on the log file was 15 minutes, I've made a couple attempts at running startx since |
| 17:10.39 | xingu | MrBobBarker: ok is startx logging stuff to stdout? |
| 17:10.42 | Lagbolt | MrBobBarker, have you pastebinned xorg.conf or xorg.0.log? |
| 17:10.46 | xingu | hasn't used startx since about '99 |
| 17:11.01 | Lagbolt | startx def does stdout |
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| 17:11.17 | MrBobBarker | xingu: uh...I believe it spits something out briefly but then my screen looses signal |
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| 17:11.34 | xingu | so in that case - startx .... 2>&1 | tee -a ~/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:11.51 | MrBobBarker | okay, sec |
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| 17:12.50 | xingu | guesses that MrBobBarker has edid issues, or, mode clock issues |
| 17:13.07 | solars | hey, I need to do a echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled but don't have write perms as root, how can I solve this ? |
| 17:13.47 | tweakism | if root can't write to it, it's probably a read only value. |
| 17:14.12 | solars | tweakism, I wouldn't try it if it shouldn't be possible |
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| 17:14.30 | tweakism | solars: does the file actually exist already? |
| 17:14.35 | solars | yeah |
| 17:14.37 | jelly-home | solars: just try iiit. |
| 17:15.16 | solars | all I want to do is mount a nas sms share, and all I get is input/output error.. |
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| 17:16.49 | jelly-home | solars: btw, did you actually try "echo 0 > /proc/fs/cifs/LinuxExtensionsEnabled"? |
| 17:17.12 | solars | yeah |
| 17:17.13 | xingu | solars: try "nounix" mount opt |
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| 17:17.20 | solars | xingu, one sec |
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| 17:17.57 | solars | xingu, input output error again |
| 17:18.07 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia post etch |
| 17:18.10 | xingu | solars: ok, you're chasing a red herring then |
| 17:18.20 | solars | xingu, nice |
| 17:18.23 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: msg the bot |
| 17:18.29 | solars | I love that kind of error messages |
| 17:18.31 | JyZyXEL | abrotman doesn't work |
| 17:18.35 | JyZyXEL | its down |
| 17:18.41 | abrotman | works for me |
| 17:18.47 | xingu | solars: btw, can you bts that against smbfs as a manpage bug on mount.cifs(8) referring them to ...src/linux/fs/cifs/README: nounix |
| 17:18.53 | JyZyXEL | its not replaying to my message |
| 17:18.55 | mewshi | if I want a certain daemon to start at boot, how do I do that? |
| 17:19.04 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg hi ... does it work ? |
| 17:19.08 | abrotman | !tell mewshi about run at startup |
| 17:19.14 | JyZyXEL | [20:17] <dpkg> i don't know, JyZyXEL |
| 17:19.14 | xingu | solars: because it wants fixing; arcane thing shouldn't stay that way. |
| 17:19.23 | abrotman | did it wrong |
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| 17:19.28 | solars | xingu, can I what? |
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| 17:19.51 | solars | Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) is what I get |
| 17:19.52 | xingu | solars: raise a debian bug against smbfs package telling the author of mount.cifs(8) to get their hairy arse in gear |
| 17:20.01 | JyZyXEL | how do you search its commands? |
| 17:20.09 | solars | xingu, lol |
| 17:20.11 | JyZyXEL | keywords |
| 17:20.12 | xingu | solars: the real docco appears to be ...src/linux/fs/cifs/README |
| 17:20.12 | JyZyXEL | what ever |
| 17:20.39 | webPragmatist | any of you guys use Webmin? |
| 17:20.39 | solars | xingu, seems to work for me |
| 17:20.45 | webPragmatist | or suggest it?> |
| 17:20.51 | abrotman | webPragmatist: it's not in debian, and no |
| 17:21.15 | webPragmatist | what do you mean it's not in the packages? |
| 17:21.19 | abrotman | right |
| 17:21.28 | xingu | solars: sure, but it's incomplete; actually I think in 2.6.recent UNIX extensions have become always-on; just eyeballing source now |
| 17:21.29 | JyZyXEL | !listkeys nvidia |
| 17:21.34 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't it work? |
| 17:21.36 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: MSG THE BOT |
| 17:21.37 | xingu | MrBobBarker: how you getting on there? |
| 17:21.43 | PiousMinion | Ok, I need help. I installed pulseaudio then removed it and now the only sound output option that works in gnome is OSS. Any idea how I can get ALSA working again without completely reinstalling lenny? |
| 17:21.44 | JyZyXEL | abrotman god damn the result is still the same |
| 17:21.46 | webPragmatist | abrotman: any reason for your answer? |
| 17:21.50 | solars | xingu, where do I get info about the options like nounix? another error suggested turning it off with something along noufs |
| 17:21.54 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (14 of 95): #debian nvidia debs ;; #debian nvidia howto ;; #debian nvidia oneliner ;; _default np nvidia ;; _default nvidia debs ;; _default nvidia-install ;; _default nvidia-installer really sucks ;; cmd: nvidia-installersmite (.*?) ;; nvidia ;; nvidia post-etch ;; nvidia-debs ;; nvidia-install ;; nvidia-installer really sucks ;; nvidia-lenny. |
| 17:21.56 | abrotman | webPragmatist: because it's not in debian ... |
| 17:22.00 | solars | xingu, ah |
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| 17:22.03 | JyZyXEL | lol its slow |
| 17:22.11 | abrotman | so what's your excuse? |
| 17:22.36 | solars | xingu, that manpage tells me to disable it in the above procfs file too |
| 17:22.54 | xingu | solars: yes exactly. |
| 17:23.06 | MrBobBarker | xingu: well thats fucked, your command didn't output anything |
| 17:23.25 | webPragmatist | abrotman: did they get rid of it? because there's a howto which installs it |
| 17:23.29 | webPragmatist | using apt-get |
| 17:23.36 | webPragmatist | http://www.debianadmin.com/webmin-installation-and-configuration-in-debian-and-ubuntu-linux.html |
| 17:23.39 | abrotman | webPragmatist: there might be .. but it's no longer in debian |
| 17:23.44 | solars | xingu, so the only problem that's left is the file being r/o :) |
| 17:23.44 | xingu | solars: ok nounix is still very much active; so you've mounted with it and your problem is still present; so from this we learn two things - one, smbfs: mount.cifs(8) needs fixing (fixable, bts it); two, you have another problem than this. |
| 17:23.48 | webPragmatist | oh ok so it was removed |
| 17:23.57 | MrBobBarker | http://pastebin.com/d182b869f |
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| 17:24.01 | abrotman | webPragmatist: that's from 2006 |
| 17:24.07 | abrotman | !tell webPragmatist about webmin |
| 17:24.08 | MrBobBarker | woops, wrong .conf |
| 17:24.14 | solars | xingu, I don't think it gets mounted |
| 17:24.38 | webPragmatist | abrotman: ok thanks. |
| 17:24.38 | MrBobBarker | http://pastebin.com/d20dc31be |
| 17:24.41 | MrBobBarker | there's the real xorg.conf |
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| 17:24.45 | solars | xingu, I'd rather say mount.cfs can't change the value itself if it tries |
| 17:24.53 | mewshi | Mao |
| 17:24.59 | MrBobBarker | I'd also like to point out in case I've not mentioned it yet, driver nv works perfectly |
| 17:25.04 | MrBobBarker | except for the lack of hardware accel |
| 17:25.16 | solars | xingu, I'd like to find out why I can't write into that darn file |
| 17:25.44 | webPragmatist | abrotman: are there alternatives? |
| 17:25.51 | webPragmatist | abrotman: just out of curiousity |
| 17:25.53 | abrotman | webPragmatist: vi ? |
| 17:26.00 | webPragmatist | rolls his eyes |
| 17:26.01 | xingu | solars: code says "unlikely" |
| 17:26.13 | solars | xingu, unlikely what? to be changed? |
| 17:26.20 | sessaid | Hello, I need some help with sshd. It was working find till now. Now I have one connection but the server is refusing new connection. It appears that sshd is not running at all except for the one connection I have. I tried to restart it but that didn't help. |
| 17:26.26 | sessaid | Ethc |
| 17:26.29 | xingu | solars: try setting cifsFYI to 7 via echo 7 > /proc/fs/cifs/cifsFYI |
| 17:26.30 | sessaid | Etch |
| 17:26.49 | xingu | solars: then repeat the mount and look at the tail end of "dmesg" output |
| 17:26.55 | Lagbolt | MrBobBarker, have you tried without the modeline. letting nvidia validate the modes? does it say that mode is validated in the output from startx |
| 17:27.00 | solars | xingu, permission denied |
| 17:27.35 | jelly-home | solars: ... and >> ? |
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| 17:27.53 | solars | jelly-home, .. heh, permission denied |
| 17:27.58 | solars | I hate it :/ |
| 17:28.00 | jelly-home | wfm |
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| 17:28.20 | solars | every single forum post I can find about this issue, suggest it |
| 17:28.28 | solars | why can't I write to those files then :) |
| 17:28.29 | xingu | solars: try echo -n |
| 17:28.30 | solars | damnit |
| 17:28.34 | xingu | solars: just at a guess |
| 17:28.47 | solars | still denied |
| 17:29.03 | jelly-home | solars: do you run a standard distro kernel? |
| 17:29.14 | xingu | works fine here with my non-standard kernel ;) |
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| 17:29.21 | solars | a custom one |
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| 17:29.52 | jelly-home | solars: any security patches that might disable messing with /proc? |
| 17:30.03 | solars | whats security? |
| 17:30.04 | solars | :) |
| 17:30.05 | solars | nope |
| 17:30.23 | solars | xingu, can you grep your config for CIFS and SMB please and tell me whats enabled there? |
| 17:30.43 | ukmnh | is there a way to redirect audio output to input? |
| 17:31.01 | ukmnh | like send out mplayer's audio thru skype? |
| 17:31.17 | xingu | solars: just CONFIG_CIFS=m |
| 17:31.26 | solars | weird.. |
| 17:31.50 | solars | well |
| 17:31.56 | solars | guess I'll have to use ftp |
| 17:31.58 | solars | :) |
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| 17:32.06 | solars | I'll have a beer and go to bed |
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| 17:33.36 | Lagbolt | ukmnh, you could hook your spkr out to your mic :-p |
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| 17:35.00 | ukmnh | Lagbolt: i'm looking for a more software-y method... |
| 17:35.13 | Lagbolt | ukmnh, sorry dont know of any :) |
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| 17:35.41 | jelly-home | ukmnh: I bet alsa has a way to do that. No idea about the actual method |
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| 17:36.24 | Rafabe | Hi. I have Ubuntu, but my question is about the debian package system (no one could answer me in the ubuntu channels). I formatted and reinstalled, but saved the apt cache. I don't have internet access on the machine anymore, but would like to have it "rescan" the apt cache folder in order to add any folders it sees there. Is this possible? |
| 17:36.33 | cahoot | ukmnh: use jack? |
| 17:36.37 | xingu | MrBobBarker: try (startx ... yourfoo) 2>&1 | tee -a ~/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:36.45 | ukmnh | jelly-home: yeah, i always assume anything is possible on linux.. |
| 17:37.00 | ukmnh | cahoot: jack? i'll check it out |
| 17:37.01 | Rafabe | folders = packages |
| 17:37.02 | xingu | MrBobBarker: but seriously I think this is going to boil down to your custom modeline; is that really necessary, does this dfp not support edid? |
| 17:37.04 | abhinay | i want to batch download the youtube video using youtube-dl, i am trying, cat links.txt | youtube-dl -t , where links.txt contains youtube links (one link per one line), what it isn't working, any suggestions ? |
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| 17:37.27 | cahoot | ukmnh: i e jackd - not the cdplayer |
| 17:37.54 | Lagbolt | abhinay, is it designed to take multiline input? |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | abhinay: xargs |
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| 17:38.13 | ukmnh | cahoot: yep, found the website. looks like what i was looking for. thanks. |
| 17:38.15 | abhinay | Lagbolt, no |
| 17:38.25 | Lagbolt | ukmnh, whats the link |
| 17:38.27 | xingu | MrBobBarker: you still in the land of the living there? |
| 17:38.34 | ukmnh | Lagbolt: jackaudio.org |
| 17:38.38 | Lagbolt | thanks |
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| 17:39.24 | silverpower | I have a system with an nVidia chip that pretty much only works on Etch (as Etch uses the 8776 drivers). Is there a way to hold the kernel and nvidia driver at Etch and upgrade everything else to testing or unstable? |
| 17:39.42 | abrotman | silverpower: you could .. but it's not really a great idea |
| 17:39.59 | abhinay | abrotman, could you please tell me, how can i use xargs ? |
| 17:40.04 | abrotman | man xargs |
| 17:40.16 | xingu | silverpower: what nvidia card is it just out of info? |
| 17:40.55 | xingu | s/info/interest/ |
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| 17:41.11 | silverpower | xingu: It's a NVCrush11 - integrated on an nForce1 board. |
| 17:41.22 | xingu | holy crap that's old ;) |
| 17:41.39 | silverpower | xingu: I know. Got anything better in AGP? :p |
| 17:41.53 | xingu | silverpower: ebay, gf6800 ultra |
| 17:41.57 | phrozen77 | anybody can help me with sablevm? it wont start, saying it cant create a vm - i straced it and it seems to be looking for files in /usr/etc/sablevm and /root/.sablevm which both don't exist - what now? |
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| 17:42.00 | xingu | silverpower: you'll wonder what took you so long |
| 17:42.36 | Lagbolt | abhinay, http://sidvind.com/wiki/Xargs_by_example |
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| 17:42.49 | silverpower | xingu, that's prolly going to need far more power than this stupid thing will give. |
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| 17:43.55 | abhinay | Lagbolt, thanks :) |
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| 17:44.26 | silverpower | abrotman: why is that? Don't tell me I'm going to have to put XP on this machine... :( |
| 17:45.00 | abrotman | silverpower: you can try it .. but you wouldn't be using the kernel that is really recommended .. and may experience issues |
| 17:46.11 | zythmer | abhinay: easiest way since youtube-dl doesn't support multiple arguments: for url in `cat links.txt`; do youtube-dl -t $url ; done |
| 17:46.12 | silverpower | abrotman: oh, is that all? |
| 17:46.18 | jelly-home | silverpower: or just forget about 3d |
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| 17:46.43 | jelly-home | silverpower: does the free nv driver not work? |
| 17:46.50 | xingu | silverpower: driver 9643 will probably work ok for that |
| 17:47.11 | silverpower | xingu: Except it *doesn't*. That's the point. |
| 17:47.19 | xingu | silverpower: seriously? what pci id? |
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| 17:47.57 | abhinay | zythmer, ty |
| 17:47.59 | silverpower | How do I find that? |
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| 17:48.13 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 17:48.14 | JyZyXEL | whats the most recent kernel for lenny? |
| 17:48.17 | xingu | silverpower: lspci | grep VGA then correlate the busid (first field) with lspci -n |
| 17:48.30 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: packages.debian.org |
| 17:48.56 | silverpower | 10DE:01A0. |
| 17:49.31 | xingu | silverpower: it's definitely right there in the 9643 readme as supported |
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| 17:49.38 | xingu | silverpower: what error does it barf? |
| 17:50.01 | silverpower | xingu: GART errors. Lots and lots of GART errors. |
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| 17:50.17 | xingu | silverpower: you using nvagp I take it then? |
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| 17:50.25 | jsmidt | I have an old package that calls for xfree86-devel. What new package replaces it? |
| 17:50.27 | xingu | silverpower: or is that getting logged in Xorg.0.log? |
| 17:50.37 | wols | libx11-dev or such |
| 17:50.37 | phrozen77 | anybody can help me with sablevm? it wont start, saying it cant create a vm - i straced it and it seems to be looking for files in /usr/etc/sablevm and /root/.sablevm which both don't exist - what now? |
| 17:50.45 | silverpower | xingu: nvagp, nvidia_agp, it doesn't matter. both die horribly. |
| 17:50.48 | jsmidt | wols, thanks |
| 17:52.30 | silverpower | xingu: sometimes they hardlock the machine. Sometimes it only hardlocks after I take the server down. Sometimes I can get back to the console. In all cases, there's severe graphics corruption. |
| 17:53.03 | xingu | silverpower: ok; more recent drivers have bumped the AGP rate; sounds like this is messing with you (to me) |
| 17:53.11 | JyZyXEL | whats the difference between "nvidia-graphics-drivers" "nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy" and "nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx" |
| 17:53.19 | JyZyXEL | how do i know what is for my card |
| 17:53.26 | xingu | silverpower: if you feel like it you can hack at nv-reg.h (there's a section on this in the nvidia driver readme) |
| 17:53.52 | wols | zythmer: differnt versions. yours works with the 96.xx one |
| 17:54.13 | silverpower | xingu: I'm on a Gentoo machine atm, but this sounds doable. :) |
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| 17:54.50 | silverpower | (as I was ready to fall back to Etch, which I *know* works, but is horribly outdated...) |
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| 17:55.37 | xingu | silverpower: the way things stand the driver will try for the highest agp rate it thinks your board can do; you may find that for your setup, 8xxx drivers were less aggressive |
| 17:56.02 | lydgate | hmm why is uw-imapd installed on here |
| 17:56.10 | xingu | silverpower: unfortunately I don't have the source handy to find out, but if you can bear with me a while I can go look |
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| 17:56.40 | silverpower | xingu: The board and GPU can both do 4x. |
| 17:57.20 | silverpower | Out of curiosity, are these drivers tested at all with a tickless kernel? |
| 17:57.43 | Bushmills | silverpower: that a GeForce4 MX, around NV17, NV18 ? |
| 17:57.49 | xingu | silverpower: I've used 9773+ with tickless on amd64; not sure about the -legacy fork, but I can't see why not |
| 17:57.56 | xingu | Bushmills: try geforce2 mx |
| 17:57.58 | xingu | Bushmills: ;) |
| 17:58.15 | xingu | Bushmills: it comes with an elastic band winder |
| 17:58.21 | Bushmills | xingu: mine is 10de:01f0, pretty close to that |
| 17:58.33 | silverpower | Bushmills: nv11. It's specific to nForce1 boards. |
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| 17:58.57 | Bushmills | using the 71.86.04 driver? |
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| 18:00.15 | silverpower | 96xx. |
| 18:00.31 | silverpower | 71xx failed spectacularly too, IIRC. |
| 18:00.41 | xingu | silverpower: for nforce1 you want to be using the nvidia agp |
| 18:01.05 | silverpower | xingu: I think I've found my main problem though. |
| 18:01.17 | Bushmills | ah. hm. i know of instablities - system locking up - with the .71 driver. the .96 doesn't here but it renders incompletely, and is a lot slower. |
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| 18:02.40 | xingu | yeah but 96xx supports tfp :) |
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| 18:03.38 | silverpower | I finally IDed my board. Apparently, it's a Compaq-branded Asus A7N266-VM. This board and all 96xx drivers break horribly. Some sort of violent incompatibility. |
| 18:04.21 | abrotman | blames carly fiorini! |
| 18:04.34 | silverpower | Who? :p |
| 18:05.01 | Bushmills | wasn't she with HP? |
| 18:05.34 | Bushmills | oh yes, when compaq was absorbed |
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| 18:06.59 | Bushmills | well, owner of old Nvidia video controllers don't seem to be happy campers nowadays |
| 18:07.22 | Bushmills | their way of prodding people to purchase more recent ones, i suppose |
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| 18:08.10 | xingu | like me and tequila |
| 18:08.10 | xingu | just in the process of prepping a little 8776 v 9643 show'n'context-diff session. |
| 18:08.19 | phrozen77 | anybody can help me with sablevm? it wont start, saying it cant create a vm - i straced it and it seems to be looking for files in /usr/etc/sablevm and /root/.sablevm which both don't exist - what now? |
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| 18:09.03 | Bushmills | phrozen77: a different jvm, maybe? |
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| 18:09.24 | phrozen77 | Bushmills, will that work with red5 then? |
| 18:09.55 | sessaid | Ok, I finally figured out my sshd not starting problem. /dev/null was changed somehow. Any idea why this happened? |
| 18:10.03 | Bushmills | can't tell you - but is a common approach: if one can't be used as hoped for, try an alternative |
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| 18:11.14 | silverpower | xingu: Does that mean a 8776 + 2.6.24ish patch? :) |
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| 18:11.59 | Bushmills | phrozen77: of course assuming that you looked through docs etc, and exhausted your possibilities |
| 18:12.56 | phrozen77 | Bushmills, i did - and presto, jamvm does it :) |
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| 18:13.01 | phrozen77 | tyvm Bushmills |
| 18:13.10 | Bushmills | yw. |
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| 18:13.37 | pablo | hi, are the /etc config files of an app cleaned when i remove an app? |
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| 18:13.58 | xingu | silverpower: heh no, just comparing the two... |
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| 18:14.12 | silverpower | aww... |
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| 18:14.31 | meff | pablo: if you purge the pkg yeah |
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| 18:15.20 | pablo | meff: ok |
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| 18:17.43 | PapaSmurf | dpkg grub error 17 |
| 18:17.43 | dpkg | For grub error 17, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 18:18.24 | Joelito | is there a debian testing or weekly build for netinstall? |
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| 18:20.12 | patrick-- | "Dont seem to be have all the variables for eth0:1/inet. Failed to bring up eth0:1" |
| 18:20.17 | patrick-- | any idea what could cause this? |
| 18:20.19 | xingu | silverpower: does your board handle acpi properly, or are you using hacks in that dept too? |
| 18:20.26 | pablo | Joelito: are you looking for this? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:21.01 | Bushmills | patrick--: it is because of not having all the variables |
| 18:21.01 | silverpower | xingu: I don't need any hacks, but who knows how badly Compaq screwed up the ACPI tables? |
| 18:21.08 | Joelito | pablo: Yes :), thanks! |
| 18:21.35 | patrick-- | Bushmills: http://nopaste.de/p/ajLP1weGF i dont see whats missing |
| 18:22.38 | xingu | silverpower: no probs, just looking at NVreg_RMEdgeIntrCheck, which was added somewhere between the two versions. |
| 18:22.59 | Bushmills | patrick--: what is ...186 for a netmask? |
| 18:23.07 | pablo | Joelito: np |
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| 18:24.05 | xingu | silverpower: apart from that there's no huge differences in the kernel module; the newer version has more preemption points - are you using any CONFIG_PREEMPT ? |
| 18:24.17 | patrick-- | Bushmills: what mask would be correct? |
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| 18:24.20 | Bushmills | patrick--: read about netmasks and/or representation of binary numbers |
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| 18:24.25 | silverpower | xingu: Voluntary preemption. |
| 18:25.28 | haole | hey there... im trying to create a package with dh_make, but im having troubles understanding the changelog... the default one created by dh_make is like this: Initial release (Closes: #nnnn) <nnnn is the bug number of your ITP> |
| 18:25.38 | silverpower | xingu: ...lemme guess, preemption hates me. |
| 18:25.42 | haole | however, lintian complains about this #nnnn thing and i can't find some reference of what i should do |
| 18:25.50 | haole | can anyone help me? |
| 18:26.50 | xingu | silverpower: it's possible, but pause there 2s - what do you have by way of /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status' flags (ie agp rate, fast writes, sba) |
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| 18:28.00 | pierreth | hello, i have some difficulties to install debian |
| 18:28.16 | silverpower | xingu: Status: Disabled. |
| 18:28.22 | pierreth | it says that it does not recognize my cdrom |
| 18:28.43 | pierreth | but he is booting from the cdrom drive |
| 18:28.57 | xingu | silverpower: curious |
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| 18:30.28 | pierreth | is it because i have a sata drive? |
| 18:31.04 | pablo | pierreth: no, that shouldnt be a problem |
| 18:31.29 | xingu | silverpower: do you have /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge? |
| 18:31.32 | wols | !tell pablo about kmuto |
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| 18:31.56 | pierreth | pablo: could it be the model? I have Peoner |
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| 18:32.02 | silverpower | xingu: yup. |
| 18:32.10 | xingu | silverpower: care to share? :) |
| 18:32.21 | xingu | silverpower: just concat to 1line and paste should be ok I think |
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| 18:32.51 | silverpower | xingu: okay, this is going to take a while to type out. >_< |
| 18:32.54 | haole | where do i get support for package writing? |
| 18:33.25 | pablo | !tell pierreth about kmuto |
| 18:33.49 | Eulex | pierreth, no, but do you have a sata cdrom? |
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| 18:34.06 | silverpower | Host Bridge: PCI device 10de:01a4, Fast Writes: Supported, SBA: Supported, AGP Rates: 4x 2x 1x, Registers: 0x1f000217:0x00000101 |
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| 18:36.06 | silverpower | xingu: Keep in mind, I haven't started X this session, for obvious reasons. |
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| 18:38.27 | xingu | silverpower: ok that's (x not start) just possibly why ...agp/status is saying disabled, but it seems odd |
| 18:39.01 | pierreth | Eulex: yes i have |
| 18:39.03 | xingu | silverpower: NVreg_ReqAGPRate=1 might be worth playing with to see if that stabilises 9643 |
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| 18:39.25 | xingu | silverpower: (module option - see /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc: options nvidia ...) |
| 18:39.39 | Eulex | pierreth, I had one in my last laptop; I believe you need special kernel params to make the kernel even recognize it |
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| 18:40.07 | xingu | silverpower: in xorg.conf - are you using the Driver option "NvAGP" at all, and if so set-as what? |
| 18:40.08 | pierreth | Eulex: OK, and what are they? |
| 18:40.20 | Eulex | I don't remember |
| 18:40.31 | silverpower | xingu: NvAGP "0" and it's commented out atm. |
| 18:40.32 | Eulex | libata.sata_enabled = 1 or similar, but that's not it |
| 18:40.47 | pierreth | Eulex: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ??? |
| 18:41.14 | pierreth | Eulex: echo "options libata atapi_enabled=1" >> /etc/modprobe.conf ???? |
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| 18:41.52 | Eulex | pierreth, that seems to be it |
| 18:41.53 | xingu | silverpower: are you currently trying to use nv_agp, or agpgart? |
| 18:42.01 | silverpower | nv_agp. |
| 18:42.16 | pierreth | Eulex: cool, I will try that, thank you |
| 18:42.18 | xingu | silverpower: is nvdia-agp module loaded at all? |
| 18:42.21 | silverpower | And it just fell over with NvAGP = 1. |
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| 18:42.36 | Eulex | pierreth, but try passing libata.atapi_enabled=1 to your kernel too if that doesn't work |
| 18:42.38 | silverpower | xingu: I removed agpgart completely from my kernel. |
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| 18:43.05 | pierreth | Eulex: how can i do that? |
| 18:43.07 | silverpower | xingu: it was the only way to force it to not use agpgart. |
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| 18:43.38 | MrBobBarker | xingu: sorry, went off for lunch ;) |
| 18:43.58 | MrBobBarker | xingu: no I don't, but originally I thought this was a problem with EDID and therefor ptu that in there |
| 18:44.12 | Eulex | pierreth, I believe the help pages at the boot prompt in the installer will be helpful, but probably something like 'linux libata.atapi_enabled=1' |
| 18:44.45 | pierreth | Eulex: OK, thank you |
| 18:44.50 | pierreth | Eulex: bye |
| 18:45.47 | xingu | silverpower: is ...agp/status also saying ..."AGP initialization failed..." below Status: Disabled? |
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| 18:46.44 | silverpower | xingu: No. I'm going to go crash my box again for you and see if I can get nvidia-bug-report.log this time. |
| 18:46.54 | xingu | silverpower: coolies |
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| 18:48.31 | silverpower | xingu: Instant hardlock. I don't think the script got a chance to run. |
| 18:48.36 | xingu | heh |
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| 18:48.44 | xingu | silverpower: try the module opt for agp 2x? |
| 18:48.59 | xingu | silverpower: NVreg_ReqAGPRate=2 |
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| 18:50.30 | silverpower | Added it. udev loads nvidia automatically, so I had to reboot. |
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| 18:51.39 | silverpower | Nope. Instant hardlock. |
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| 18:52.41 | MrBobBarker | xingu: I've concluded that using ConnectedMonitor in any way will cause my system to crash |
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| 18:55.38 | DimmuR|away | anyone knows when eclipse 3.3 is going into sid? |
| 18:55.50 | silverpower | Oh. Duh. My modules need rebuilding. |
| 18:56.12 | xingu | silverpower: phew; lemme know if it dies again after. |
| 18:56.40 | xingu | MrBobBarker: that is really odd; almost as if the monitor is offering up a completely bogus edid |
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| 18:57.15 | xingu | MrBobBarker: try adding Option "UseEDID" "False" |
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| 18:57.50 | coolix | hi |
| 18:58.28 | coolix | i'm trying to setup vsftpd with virtual users using pam_userdb (etch) |
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| 18:59.15 | coolix | May 25 20:57:14 stock pam_userdb[30588]: user_lookup: could not open database `/etc/vsftpd_login' this is what i get when i try to login |
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| 19:00.03 | coolix | i generated /etc/vsftpd_login using db4.3_load -T -t hash |
| 19:00.15 | xingu | silverpower: fyi asus' site has bios 1007, and sometimes rubbing that magic lamp is enough to fix some of these oddities |
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| 19:00.53 | silverpower | xingu: It's a Compaq-branded board, meaning it has their stupid ersatz BIOS, not a real Asus BIOS. |
| 19:01.00 | xingu | aah |
| 19:01.39 | silverpower | It doesn't even recognize that you might want to boot off of the second/third HD. Yeah, it's that stupid. |
| 19:01.42 | Eulex | yes, compaq bioses sure are retarded |
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| 19:02.37 | MrBobBarker | (II) NVIDIA(GPU-0): No display devices connected; falling back to: CRT-0 |
| 19:02.40 | MrBobBarker | this makes me sad :< |
| 19:02.40 | silverpower | The more I screw with this damn thing, the more and more convinced I am that I was right to replace my mother's system completely instead of trying to upgrade this stupid thing. |
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| 19:03.12 | Eulex | upgrade a compaq box? *shudder* |
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| 19:04.25 | pierreth | Eulex: how can i use the boot image of serge? |
| 19:04.37 | Eulex | pierreth, ? |
| 19:04.49 | Eulex | pierreth, get the netinst, burn it to a cd-r, boot it? |
| 19:05.05 | pierreth | Eulex: netinst? |
| 19:05.11 | Eulex | netinstaller |
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| 19:05.44 | pierreth | Eulex: this will replace the first dvd? |
| 19:06.20 | Eulex | pierreth, well, if the box has a reasonably good network connection it will work equally well |
| 19:06.46 | Eulex | pierreth, but if it doesn't: yes, you should probably get the first dvd or the first few cd-roms |
| 19:07.10 | PapaSmurf | how can I tell is apt is actually contacting the mirror? |
| 19:07.29 | Eulex | also, make sure that you have a network card that will work out of the box on linux if you try the netinstaller |
| 19:07.37 | pierreth | Eulex: i have a file called netboot.tar.gz, what should I do with it |
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| 19:08.06 | rmop | hello, good night |
| 19:08.24 | Eulex | pierreth, sorry, I haven't ever tried installing with pxe. you know what it is, right? |
| 19:08.49 | pierreth | Eulex: no, I have some difficulties to understand |
| 19:08.51 | MrBobBarker | xingu: still crashes my computer when falsing EDID + ConnectedMonitor |
| 19:09.01 | MrBobBarker | and gives the same CRT fallback response when using DisplayDevice |
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| 19:09.02 | xingu | silverpower: at the risk of sounding ridiculous - is your gpu overheating? :) |
| 19:09.13 | JordiGH | How can I convert .mpc to .ogg? ffmpeg is cryptic. :-/ |
| 19:09.16 | xingu | MrBobBarker: I'm starting to think that your card might be busted :) |
| 19:09.35 | silverpower | xingu: it *is* a bit warm... |
| 19:09.41 | MrBobBarker | yay, I get to harass the corporate sysadmin ;) |
| 19:09.43 | xingu | silverpower: how warm is warm |
| 19:09.56 | MrBobBarker | "give me a video card" "how about go fuck yourself and your Linux!" |
| 19:10.01 | xingu | laughs |
| 19:10.19 | Eulex | pierreth, you put installer files and a special server software on one box, then let the box you install onto boot from it, over the network. useful when you have no cd-rom etc on the box, or you want to do automatic installations on many boxes |
| 19:10.23 | silverpower | as in, I couldn't keep my finger on the northbridge heatsink? |
| 19:10.24 | xingu | silverpower: I'd say >60C and you're at risk of heat related farting |
| 19:10.36 | xingu | silverpower: ok, that's hot enough |
| 19:10.44 | MrBobBarker | it took me 7 straight months of crawling just to get out of his active directory nazidom ;) |
| 19:10.49 | MrBobBarker | clawing* |
| 19:10.58 | MrBobBarker | fruedian slip |
| 19:10.59 | pierreth | Eulex: I have just my own machine |
| 19:11.13 | xingu | silverpower: got a spare fan and some thermal paste ? :) |
| 19:11.34 | Eulex | pierreth, then you want the netboot, first few cd-rs or the first dvd |
| 19:11.56 | silverpower | Okay. I got significantly less corruption this time (no preempt). It did crash as soon as X died. |
| 19:12.10 | xingu | MrBobBarker: how do you get on if you use Option "IgnoreDisplayDevices" "TV" ? |
| 19:12.11 | silverpower | However, nvidia-bug-report.sh ran! ^_^ |
| 19:12.15 | Eulex | pierreth, emh, sorry, I of course meant netinstaller, not netboot |
| 19:12.22 | xingu | silverpower: yaay! :0 |
| 19:12.24 | Eulex | MrBobBarker, I haven't really followed the conversation, but do other drivers work? |
| 19:12.44 | pierreth | Eulex: I don't understand what is the process |
| 19:12.51 | MrBobBarker | Eulex: yeah, im running on nv as we speak |
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| 19:13.00 | MrBobBarker | xingu: it just defaults to CRT |
| 19:13.02 | xingu | silverpower: I'm thinking you might be having heat related bus farts myself :) |
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| 19:13.13 | JordiGH | Drat, nothing plays mpc. |
| 19:13.13 | xingu | MrBobBarker: how about ... "TV, CRT" ? |
| 19:13.20 | MrBobBarker | thats what it's currently set to |
| 19:13.27 | sdubois92 | i installed phpmyadmin and when i try to go to http://192.168.1.120/phpmyadmin i get a 404 |
| 19:13.27 | Eulex | pierreth, sorry, I don't understand? |
| 19:13.32 | xingu | MrBobBarker: and it's still choosing the CRT output? |
| 19:13.33 | silverpower | xingu: Well, the thing is, a lot of people can reproduce this on their A7N266-VM boards. |
| 19:13.36 | MrBobBarker | yes |
| 19:13.41 | JordiGH | I think the mpc codecs are in the gstreamer-really-fucking-ugly package or something. |
| 19:13.54 | Eulex | musepack? |
| 19:14.00 | JordiGH | Eulex: Yeah. |
| 19:14.05 | MrBobBarker | the driver simply refuses to acknowledge my DVI port exists |
| 19:14.13 | Eulex | gstreamer0.8-musepack |
| 19:14.17 | pierreth | Eulex: I don't understand what I should do with the archive that I downloaded |
| 19:14.17 | xingu | MrBobBarker: sounds like either a seriously fubar install (multiple driver rev's) or a seriously fubar card |
| 19:14.29 | JordiGH | Eulex: Is that in sid? |
| 19:14.30 | MrBobBarker | is there a way to check for multiple driver revs? |
| 19:14.33 | Eulex | pierreth, well, you don't want netboot, so you don't want to do it |
| 19:14.34 | silverpower | MrBobBarker: Lemme guess. Your monitor hangs off the DVI port. |
| 19:14.36 | JordiGH | !info gstreamer0.8-musepack |
| 19:14.48 | MrBobBarker | silverpower: if it does nv does not seem to have an issue with it |
| 19:14.51 | xingu | MrBobBarker: I _do_ hope you mean "DVI port" when you say "DVI" and not "DVI by way of DVI-to-DSub15-converter" |
| 19:14.52 | Eulex | JordiGH, I'll check, I have all of sarge, etch, lenny, unstable and experimental :) |
| 19:14.57 | pierreth | Eulex: OK, and what I should want? |
| 19:14.58 | MrBobBarker | its actually DVI |
| 19:15.01 | JordiGH | Eulex: Living on the edge, eh? |
| 19:15.06 | Eulex | JordiGH, it's etch |
| 19:15.11 | JordiGH | Etch. |
| 19:15.12 | Eulex | JordiGH, not really, I run lenny. |
| 19:15.12 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 19:15.16 | MrBobBarker | the motherboard (onboard nvidia) has one VGA and one DVI |
| 19:15.20 | pierreth | Eulex: I will try the 'linux= ' thing you talk about first |
| 19:15.21 | JordiGH | Well, it's not in sid. |
| 19:15.28 | MrBobBarker | does the fact im using lenny matter? |
| 19:15.41 | xingu | silverpower: yeah, so I see in the forums; but maybe the commonality is those boards turning up in low-end, poorly cooled pc's? |
| 19:15.47 | penrod | greetings: I have built a custom kernel and am using grub for the first time ever, ( I am familiar with lilo) and I am trouble booting with the new kernel. I have been told by others that I need to make a initrd.img. Is this true ? won't the old way still work ? |
| 19:15.49 | xingu | silverpower: it's just a thought |
| 19:15.54 | JordiGH | Eulex: Actually, Gnome can play mpc files fine. But my portable audio player doesn't know mpc, only Ogg Vorbis. :-/ |
| 19:16.07 | pierreth | Eulex: I will try this and I will come back if it does not work |
| 19:16.20 | Eulex | JordiGH, most don't even know ogg, you're lucky. |
| 19:16.23 | Eulex | pierreth, ok |
| 19:16.25 | JordiGH | Well, it also knows mp3 and who knows what else, but I'm happy with Ogg. |
| 19:16.41 | JordiGH | Eulex: Yeah, it's a Samsung player. <3 |
| 19:16.47 | xingu | silverpower: the older the gpu's process technology the more likely it is to get hot and fart; and the newer drivers have fewer bottlenecks than the older ones; so even "hey it works with xxx" isn't necessarily applicable |
| 19:16.48 | Eulex | mine doesn't do mpc either. it does mp3, ogg and flac, though |
| 19:16.56 | pierreth | Eulex: see you later (may be) :-) |
| 19:16.59 | JordiGH | flac? That's pretty interesting in itself. |
| 19:17.05 | JordiGH | Eulex: What's your brand? |
| 19:17.06 | silverpower | xingu: The magic words here are "it works fine in XP". |
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| 19:17.18 | silverpower | (Well, as fine as an integrated GF2 can...) |
| 19:17.22 | xingu | silverpower: put a nice shiny 2.6 kernel plus a new-ish glx on them and you can soak them hot enough long enough to go boom |
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| 19:17.33 | Eulex | JordiGH, it's a cowon iaudio 7 |
| 19:17.40 | JordiGH | iaudio |
| 19:17.47 | xingu | silverpower: the other thought is that maybe AGP on that board is just marginal anyway |
| 19:17.47 | JordiGH | That's not an iProduct from the iCompany, is it? |
| 19:17.58 | xingu | JordiGH: iDunno |
| 19:18.03 | xingu | rolls around laughing |
| 19:18.06 | xingu | sorry. |
| 19:18.11 | Eulex | nope, it's a product of the korean company Cowon |
| 19:18.24 | kakashi_ | I presently have an libgdbm.so.3, but an application needs libgdbm.so.2, please help me resolve this issue |
| 19:18.30 | sdubois92 | i installed phpmyadmin and when i try to go to http://192.168.1.120/phpmyadmin i get a 404 |
| 19:18.30 | kakashi_ | should i downgrade |
| 19:18.36 | Eulex | JordiGH, anyway, apt-cache rdepends libmpcdec3 lists gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
| 19:19.04 | kakashi_ | any ideas people? |
| 19:19.26 | JordiGH | Eulex: Told ya. It's in the ugly package. |
| 19:19.47 | JordiGH | Eulex: But how can I convert those mpc files to something else? |
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| 19:20.12 | Eulex | JordiGH, mpcdev in musepack-tools? |
| 19:20.25 | Eulex | *mpcdec |
| 19:20.32 | Eulex | arrg. experimental. |
| 19:20.44 | JordiGH | Hm, well, maybe I can fetch the upstream package. |
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| 19:21.00 | kakashi_ | any ideas people? |
| 19:21.18 | silverpower | xingu: So it's time to pop for a R300 or 6200, then? |
| 19:21.47 | xingu | silverpower: might be interesting to set it up for agp at 1x, turn the damn thing off overnight, and see what happens from cold power on tomorrow |
| 19:22.21 | xingu | silverpower: if it doesn't hard lock straight away you _know_ it's either marginal agp or just out and out thermal stress |
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| 19:22.37 | xingu | silverpower: ... obviously, because it is at the moment the minute you enable agp |
| 19:23.08 | xingu | silverpower: any chance you can put that bug report somewhere accessible? |
| 19:23.49 | Zenox | Why is the harddrive space always ZERO even though there are gigabytes free (can't save anything to the raid5-drives aswell)? |
| 19:23.52 | Zenox | /dev/md0 459G 444G 0 100% /mnt/raid |
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| 19:24.19 | pierreth | Eulex: it is not working |
| 19:24.24 | JordiGH | I wonder why is it that Asian companies seem so much more Ogg-friendly... Koreans in particular, eh? |
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| 19:24.46 | BarryAllen | quick question, openssh broke dsa key autentication recently? |
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| 19:25.20 | JordiGH | BarryAllen: You mean the topic? |
| 19:25.31 | JordiGH | !dsa1571 |
| 19:25.31 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
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| 19:25.44 | jelly-home | Zenox: ext3 reserves some space for root. Also, the filesystem works suboptimally when it's filled up to more than ~90% |
| 19:26.09 | xingu | silverpower: and here's another thing to try; build a version of the modules with ... usr/src/nv/nv-vm.c: NV_CPA_NEEDS_FLUSHING unconditionally defined |
| 19:26.11 | BarryAllen | i think im having problems with the updated package.... |
| 19:26.25 | xingu | silverpower: ie, remove the bracketing #if/#endif |
| 19:26.30 | silverpower | http://nopaste.com/p/ah51KM7TX |
| 19:27.13 | Zenox | jelly-home: hmm, but i've deleted several gb of data from the raidset but it still shows 0 availability with df -h? |
| 19:27.23 | xingu | silverpower: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1261403&postcount=15 comme ca |
| 19:27.40 | jelly-home | Zenox: if you delete more, eventually it'll reach the 5% limit |
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| 19:28.06 | jelly-home | Zenox: or use tune2fs to change the reserved blocks number |
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| 19:29.19 | JordiGH | Hm, vulnerable clients? |
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| 19:30.57 | Zenox | jelly-home: ah okay, i'll try it... think it's weird though... deleting gb of data, but unable to save anything back |
| 19:31.22 | jelly-home | Zenox: you should be able to create new files as root |
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| 19:31.52 | jelly-home | Zenox: no other users will be allowed, though |
| 19:31.53 | silverpower | xingu: rebooting. :) |
| 19:32.03 | xingu | silverpower: those xid's you're chucking definitely smell like either marginal agp or thermal stress, I'm getting more and more confident on that score. |
| 19:32.11 | dendrite | Zenox: You *are* deleting from the filled partition, yes? |
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| 19:32.46 | silverpower | xingu: She did mention stability problems under high CPU/GPU load... |
| 19:32.49 | xingu | silverpower: back in a few minutes, time to fish up some grog for dinner |
| 19:33.10 | Zenox | dendrite: yes of course :) |
| 19:33.30 | Zenox | jelly-home: i'll try as root |
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| 19:35.14 | Zenox | jelly-home: just tried a small file and was able to copy it to the partition as root... going to keep on deleting unneccessary files puh |
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| 19:42.36 | xingu | reappears |
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| 19:42.59 | Randie | is there a command to show free space left on drive? |
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| 19:43.07 | Randie | (in console) |
| 19:43.18 | Randie | heck wrong windows sorry |
| 19:43.31 | markybob | df -h |
| 19:43.32 | Randie | *window |
| 19:43.36 | Randie | =) |
| 19:43.41 | Randie | never mind |
| 19:43.54 | Randie | this is a windows question herh |
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| 19:44.19 | JordiGH | wtf? |
| 19:44.44 | path_ | !windows |
| 19:44.44 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 19:45.12 | leftStanding | haha ok, i have a serious question - are there any webcam projects (programs that take pictures/record movies using a webcam) in debian? |
| 19:45.24 | markybob | leftStanding, cheese |
| 19:45.26 | leftStanding | i've used cheese (a gnome program) |
| 19:45.31 | leftStanding | markybob: any others? |
| 19:45.49 | markybob | that's the only one i know. i dont use webcams, though |
| 19:46.12 | ericrw | leftStanding: xawtv |
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| 19:46.48 | leftStanding | i haven't tried that one... is xawtv based solely on v4l api? |
| 19:47.25 | leftStanding | i've used camstream and a number of others but they have all stopped development |
| 19:47.33 | ericrw | you need to use v4l for capture, but it supports XV for display |
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| 19:47.54 | silverpower | xingu: Okay, I have a fan installed. It's turning slowly, though - maybe I need to snip the fan speed wire... |
| 19:48.33 | ericrw | xawtv ships with 'xawtv' and 'motv' for viewing, streamer for recording on the command line, and webcam to automate capture and upload to a server |
| 19:48.45 | ericrw | there are some other programs with it too |
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| 19:49.34 | ericrw | Supports Xvideo Extention, the new video4linux2 interface and BSD Family video grabber driver (bktr).... and perhaps only in older versions, the original BTTV driver (pre-v4l) |
| 19:49.49 | ericrw | oh, and v4l v1 |
| 19:49.50 | leftStanding | ericrw: cool, at the moment i want to record movies from my webcam to the hard drive, so it looks like xawtv can accomplish that task |
| 19:50.03 | leftStanding | i see it in the stable repository |
| 19:50.12 | busfahrer | Hi. I remember there was this link to a guide here that describes the proper way of how to create your own .deb package from source. Any hints? |
| 19:50.22 | ericrw | leftStanding: I'm also quite sure that mplayer / mencode can read from webcams |
| 19:50.35 | silverpower | xingu: I did snap a couple pics of what the mess looks like, though. Both the fan setup and the monitor with X+twm started. |
| 19:50.52 | leftStanding | busfahrer: i'm actually reading the new maintainer's guide: https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_Developer-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewProductDetail-Start?ProductRef=jdk-6-doc-oth-JPR@CDS-CDS_Developer |
| 19:50.55 | leftStanding | woops |
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| 19:50.58 | leftStanding | wroing link |
| 19:51.06 | leftStanding | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html |
| 19:51.12 | silverpower | hah, this is weird - glxgears runs fine! |
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| 19:51.28 | busfahrer | leftStanding: I think that's it, thanks :-) |
| 19:51.33 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 19:51.45 | master_alvaro | http://img.wklej.org/v/7170892952513932290_9a0d64de4d.jpg |
| 19:51.50 | master_alvaro | http://img.wklej.org/v/3984553132513932060_10eda63eca.jpg |
| 19:52.11 | master_alvaro | what is the name of this theme? |
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| 19:54.05 | b_jonas | hello, |
| 19:54.34 | b_jonas | Is there a good way to install X bitmap fonts as non-root on debian? |
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| 19:54.57 | b_jonas | I could install a font by using mkfontdir and adding the font directory with xset +fp $dir |
| 19:54.59 | b_jonas | but |
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| 19:55.39 | b_jonas | some x applications (including kde and gtk ones) have font selection dialogs that allow you to choose both true type and bitmap fonts |
| 19:55.51 | b_jonas | and these don't include the fonts I put up this way |
| 19:55.54 | b_jonas | as a user |
| 19:56.10 | b_jonas | I can use the font in xterms by its x font name (the one with lots of hyphens) |
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| 19:57.20 | b_jonas | if there's no way as a user, what's the proper way to install bitmap fonts as root? I couldn't make sense of all the stuff in the font deb package sources like apt-get source xfonts-75dpi-transcoded |
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| 19:57.23 | b_jonas | thanks in advance |
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| 19:58.45 | ny | hi there, is there any good search engine package with debian, which stores keywords etc in an mysql table which i can query from my own site? |
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| 20:04.29 | socr | is there a live cd iso around ? |
| 20:05.31 | Lagbolt | !tell socr about livecd |
| 20:05.32 | socr | or: i want to boot from an USB stick... |
| 20:06.00 | Lagbolt | socr, there are def sites for setting that up |
| 20:06.22 | socr | ok |
| 20:06.32 | Lagbolt | socr, i used regular installer cd to install to a usb stick once before |
| 20:06.33 | b_jonas | anyone? |
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| 20:07.41 | Lagbolt | socr, there are lots of ways to make it work. are you using debian now or just want to make a bootable key |
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| 20:08.13 | socr | i am now installing ubuntu fron a USB, but i would like orig. debian... |
| 20:08.50 | socr | i got an Etch system running on desktop... want to put debian on eee |
| 20:09.34 | Lagbolt | ahh socr i did just that |
| 20:09.46 | socr | tell me !! |
| 20:10.00 | Lagbolt | but i dont know if etch is what you want. on the debian eeePC wiki they are using lenny. i think for the hardware support |
| 20:10.10 | socr | lenny is ok too |
| 20:10.19 | Lagbolt | might be able to get it to work with etchandahalf or what ever |
| 20:10.36 | b_jonas | isn't a bootable usb supposed to be easier than a bootable cd because the usb is writeable so you don't have to mess with unionfs and stuff? |
| 20:10.46 | Lagbolt | socr, do you want to put it on the ssd or onto a sdhc card? |
| 20:10.53 | socr | ssd |
| 20:11.07 | Lagbolt | socr, do you have a usb cdrom? lol that would make it super easy :) |
| 20:11.10 | Rotwan1 | \o/ |
| 20:11.16 | socr | nope |
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| 20:11.30 | Lagbolt | ok then yeah usb is the way to go. |
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| 20:12.14 | diabel- | If I installed some packages from SID, and I change my system to some sh***, how to reinstall all packages only from lenny?(apt-get doesn't see any newes than packages from lenny to downgrade them) |
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| 20:12.34 | Lagbolt | i didnt use any of the methods i found online. i just installed debian onto a small partition and configured it the way i wanted for eeepc |
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| 20:13.00 | Lagbolt | then copied the install to usb partition and put grub on it and worked just fine |
| 20:13.22 | Lagbolt | you will have to make sure your initramfs has usb modules in it so that it will see the drive |
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| 20:13.45 | Eulex | diabel-, there is no automatic downgrade. |
| 20:14.38 | diabel- | Eulex: ouch :( |
| 20:14.43 | b_jonas | Lagbolt: isn't the debian variant installed on eee by default good enough? |
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| 20:14.53 | Lagbolt | b_jonas, no lol |
| 20:15.24 | Eulex | diabel-, the best you could do would be to perhaps pin the packages you want with a higher priority than those you don't want. but a downgrade is never guaranteed to go smoothly anyway. |
| 20:15.38 | Lagbolt | b_jonas, it is alright but i prefer the debian install. it is all about preference i guess tho |
| 20:15.39 | Eulex | !downgrade |
| 20:15.39 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade> |
| 20:16.00 | b_jonas | I don't know, I don't have an eee |
| 20:16.14 | b_jonas | I've seen one briefly but don't know about the software on it |
| 20:16.40 | blameless | i had the original eee. i sold it off some time ago however |
| 20:16.50 | Lagbolt | blameless, didnt like it? |
| 20:16.55 | diabel- | :( |
| 20:17.08 | blameless | Lagbolt: i like the idea. not the implementation |
| 20:17.28 | blameless | next screen size up and a processor not melting through my leg and i think i'll pick one up |
| 20:17.35 | b_jonas | blameless: the keyboard or the screen resolution? |
| 20:17.38 | blameless | something like the MSI window |
| 20:17.42 | Lagbolt | i got eee for my gf and she loves it. put ubuntu on it for her and she takes it everywhere. i really enjoy having it when i am out at sports bar or what not |
| 20:17.49 | blameless | b_jonas the screen |
| 20:18.01 | b_jonas | I see |
| 20:18.17 | Lagbolt | blameless, what about the hp mininote? it is about an inch wider and keyboard is quite large |
| 20:18.22 | blameless | the msi wind is pretty close to what i'd want however i think i'd rather have the via Isaiah in it |
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| 20:18.48 | blameless | Lagbolt: too expensive. if i was going to do that I'd pick up the $399 Wind |
| 20:18.52 | socr | weird thing about xandros is, that there is only one user possible, named 'user'... seems that multiuser is killed by xandros or something |
| 20:19.03 | b_jonas | socr: wtf |
| 20:19.10 | Lagbolt | yeah, well the cheaper mininote is about same price as the new eeepc |
| 20:19.15 | Lagbolt | with 120GB HD tho |
| 20:19.19 | blameless | socr i'm not sure if that is the xandros or the default eee install |
| 20:19.26 | b_jonas | you can't just kill off multiuser from a linux system |
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| 20:19.38 | b_jonas | I mean |
| 20:19.46 | b_jonas | that's just wierd |
| 20:19.50 | blameless | the default eee install doesn't use a conventional init system. it uses a custom shell script to bring up the system real fast |
| 20:19.55 | Lagbolt | socr, you can enable more funtions with the xandros |
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| 20:19.58 | Lagbolt | they just default to user |
| 20:20.02 | socr | well, when I log on, I cannot do it as 'socr'.. just must type a pw... |
| 20:20.05 | b_jonas | blameless: oh sure, because they know the hardware |
| 20:20.13 | b_jonas | they don't have to prove for all kind of wierd hardware possible |
| 20:20.30 | b_jonas | only the kind of things you can plug in, like an extra monitor etc |
| 20:20.33 | blameless | its not designed to be flexible. it only starts up what asus put there |
| 20:20.45 | blameless | i wiped the eee 2 hours after i had it and had ubuntu running on it |
| 20:21.06 | b_jonas | I see |
| 20:21.10 | b_jonas | the wipe makes sense that way |
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| 20:21.34 | b_jonas | I had the inflexible feeling when I installed ubuntu on my desktop |
| 20:21.41 | b_jonas | I wiped it in a month and installed debian |
| 20:21.46 | Lagbolt | socr, there are a couple of installers for the eeepc, the debian wiki for it is nice and ubuntu people made a custome xubuntu for it |
| 20:22.02 | JordiGH | b_jonas: Yeah, Ubuntu seems to make it harder to tinker with. Debian feels more developer/tinkerer friendly to me. |
| 20:22.07 | socr | Lagbolt: ok |
| 20:22.11 | Lagbolt | i agree |
| 20:22.18 | blameless | i presently don't have an ubuntu installation. my main debian "server" is actually about half the power of the eee heh |
| 20:22.18 | b_jonas | JordiGH: exactly, so on my own machine I want debian |
| 20:22.25 | b_jonas | ubuntu can be ok on other's machines |
| 20:22.50 | b_jonas | so now we've established I can tinker with debian, how do I install an x bitmap font? (see question above) |
| 20:22.51 | JordiGH | b_jonas: I don't even install Ubuntu on my mom's machine. I install etch. Ubuntu crashes, etch doesn't. |
| 20:22.52 | Lagbolt | socr, just install to your usb, if it boots well and works how you want it, copy it to ssd |
| 20:22.52 | blameless | well then install debian, add the atl2 driver if needed and the patched madwifi unless they've addressed that issue |
| 20:23.36 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, yeah my parents use debian :) i dont know how people think it is hard to install, at 53 years my dad installed it and had it working on his own lol |
| 20:24.17 | Lagbolt | b_jonas, dont know |
| 20:24.22 | blameless | the only thing that is harder about installng debian over ubuntu is that i have to rebuild the usb installer image on debian. i don't on ubuntu |
| 20:24.33 | Lagbolt | the msi wind has 7hour battery life? |
| 20:24.38 | JordiGH | Lagbolt: It can be easy to install if your hardware works with the stock kernels, but in my experience that's usually a rarity. I install Debian first for my mom, and it takes me a while to get it working properly, but once it works, it stays working. :-) |
| 20:24.55 | Lagbolt | JordiGH, yeah, that is true |
| 20:25.02 | blameless | 7 hours of imaginary battery life with the big battery |
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| 20:25.09 | b_jonas | blameless: well, actually that's not exactly true |
| 20:25.11 | blameless | the big battery is only shipping in the windows version |
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| 20:25.26 | blameless | b_jonas what isn't? |
| 20:25.28 | Lagbolt | blameless, that is why i just install to usb using desktop with cdrom :) then boot the usb and cp -ax to ssd :) |
| 20:25.39 | blameless | my desktops don't have cdroms |
| 20:25.45 | blameless | that's legacy hardware |
| 20:25.53 | Lagbolt | lol nice |
| 20:25.54 | b_jonas | because before etch came out then you easily had access to firefox2 and ooffice2 on ubuntu |
| 20:26.03 | b_jonas | whereas you had to install them in some other way on debian |
| 20:26.22 | b_jonas | so no, that's not the only way ubuntu is easier to install |
| 20:26.25 | Sebboh | hi. I've got some daemon running on my Lenny box that I didn't personally want.. It must have got installed as part of a dependency chain. How can I figure out which package depended on it? I tried apt-cache showpkg, but, eh, I think the dependency chain must be a few links deep. |
| 20:26.44 | Zappacky | I'm running debian with gnome on a laptop, and I'm having some unexpected behavior with cpufreq. Whenever I unplug the AC adapter, my cpufreq automatically scales down to 800 MHz, and nothing I do will change it. Plugging the AC adapter back in restores it to full, and allows me to change it |
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| 20:27.10 | blameless | sebboh: remove it and see what else apt wants to remove with it |
| 20:27.29 | Zappacky | I'm on gnome, and when I do this, I'm not running gnome-power-manager, cpufreqd, apmd, and laptop-mode has cpufreq stuff disabled |
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| 20:27.52 | Zappacky | Is the kernel changing my cpufreq limits by itself, or is some application im not aware of doing it? |
| 20:27.54 | Lagbolt | socr, you going to be able to get that to work or do you need more help? |
| 20:28.13 | blameless | Zappacky i'd guess acpid |
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| 20:29.00 | socr | Lagbolt: I'm now going to read up on Deb install... undoubtedly, I will return with questions. Just now, eee booted up with ubuntu :-) thnx |
| 20:29.17 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 20:29.23 | Zappacky | blameless: it is indeed running; where can I check the config file? /etc/acpi has a bunch of files that seem unrelated |
| 20:29.59 | blameless | Zappacky: anything in /etc/acpi/events ? |
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| 20:30.28 | blameless | personally i enable the ondemand scheduler so the processor scales up and down as needed |
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| 20:31.26 | Zappacky | blameless: 82 files |
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| 20:31.31 | qubodup | hello |
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| 20:31.50 | kanzure | Where does apt-get source download sources to? |
| 20:31.55 | blameless | Zappacky: ah. i have 1. somewhere in there is probably your answer then heh |
| 20:31.57 | qubodup | I'm a noob who uses sid and is inable to start X after some updating. Am I doomed? |
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| 20:32.09 | Zappacky | blameless: file "ac" and "battery" specify /etc/acpi/power.sh as the action script |
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| 20:32.24 | Zappacky | blameless: there's nothing in there that would change cpu frequency though =/ |
| 20:32.33 | b_jonas | qubodup: no |
| 20:32.36 | Zappacky | blameless: in fact, cpufreq isn't referenced anywhere at all in /etc/acpi |
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| 20:32.46 | Zappacky | (done by "grep -R "cpufreq" *" |
| 20:32.56 | blameless | fascinating |
| 20:33.09 | b_jonas | qubodup: check what the logfile says -- |
| 20:33.17 | blameless | i would think something would have to process the acpi event and scale the processor down |
| 20:33.41 | b_jonas | X tells you the name of the logfile when it starts, it's something like /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:33.50 | b_jonas | search for errors in that one |
| 20:33.54 | qubodup | b_jonas: the logfile says that X failed to load the kernel module. I'm using the nvidia drivers and installed them the last time the debian way |
| 20:34.16 | peleg | currently I have a SSH session running, with a few "jobs" running in its background; I would like to close the secure connection, but keep the jobs work. Is it possible? |
| 20:34.24 | qubodup | b_jonas: it also says that screens were found, but none have usable configurations |
| 20:34.55 | blameless | qubodup: naturally you've tried loading the nvidia module and then starting X? |
| 20:35.12 | Zappacky | blameless: I would think so too =/. It's weird though. Whenever I unplug the ac adapter, INSTANTLY my max cpu frequency gets set to 800 MHz. I can't change it with cpufreq-set at all. As soon as I plug it back in, it pops back up to 2.20 GHz and becomes modifiable |
| 20:35.49 | blameless | Zappacky: are the cpufreq modules loaded in the kernel? is this a core 2 or something? |
| 20:35.59 | Rockos | Peleg, the will continue to run if the are in the background |
| 20:36.19 | qubodup | blameless: no. oh. module nvidia not found |
| 20:36.38 | blameless | qubodup: then that'll be the first thing to fix I guess heh |
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| 20:37.21 | Zappacky | blameless: k8, with all governors built in |
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| 20:38.26 | blameless | Zappacky: and the powernow-k8 module is loaded? |
| 20:38.31 | markybob | Zappacky, set the mode that you want in /etc/default/powernowd |
| 20:38.40 | markybob | Zappacky, probably "-m 3" |
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| 20:38.54 | Zappacky | markybob: i don't have powernowd installed |
| 20:38.59 | mohamed-ragab | hi |
| 20:39.02 | qubodup | blameless: ok, it seems the problem might be that there's no module for my kernel version (2.6.25-2-686) |
| 20:39.06 | Zappacky | blameless: it's built in |
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| 20:39.33 | Zappacky | blameless: as I said, frequency transitioning isn't the problem, it's that something is locking my max frequency whenever there's no ac power |
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| 20:39.57 | blameless | and you're sure its not the hardware doing that? |
| 20:40.20 | qubodup | blameless: can you give me basic instructions on how to downgrade my kernel? |
| 20:40.31 | Zappacky | blameless: almost certain, is there any way to check? |
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| 20:41.05 | blameless | well the only way i could think of was if it had the same behavior under another OS. |
| 20:41.15 | mohamed-ragab | i have problem i have a vps an i insttall a debian and install sendmail to send mail to evrey body The send mail not send to a mail yahoo |
| 20:41.17 | blameless | something wants to save your battery from you when you unplug heh |
| 20:41.23 | Bushmills | qubodup: where did you get the nvidia module for your older kernel from? |
| 20:41.23 | mohamed-ragab | what can i do now |
| 20:41.27 | Zappacky | the only other OS i've got is windows, which isn't very descriptive |
| 20:41.43 | qubodup | Bushmills: the debian sid repo. installed it the debian way (with the help of this channel) |
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| 20:41.48 | Zappacky | in windows, I have it set to knock the frequency down to minimum (800 MHz in this case) on battery power |
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| 20:42.01 | Bushmills | qubodup: shouldn't that work with 2.6.25 too? |
| 20:42.07 | Zappacky | im going to be seriously p.o.'d if this is like the backlight, where it's done in ACPI BIOS |
| 20:42.11 | amphi | Zappacky: what governator is in use when you're on battery? |
| 20:42.12 | peleg | Rockos: really? even if I close the session? |
| 20:42.25 | Zappacky | amphi: performance, I can change it to whatever I want though, and the change sticks |
| 20:42.27 | peleg | and if so - how will I access these afterward? |
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| 20:42.42 | qubodup | Bushmills: no idea, the installed module version is 2.6.18 and there aren't newer ones in the repo |
| 20:42.45 | haole | does anybody knows how to use chrpath to fix this issue when doing some package creation? |
| 20:42.53 | amphi | Zappacky: ondemand is probably what you want; I use it both on ac & battery |
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| 20:43.09 | Zappacky | amphi: It doesn't matter what I set it to |
| 20:43.18 | Zappacky | amphi: my frequency stays very securely at 800 MHz |
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| 20:43.28 | qubodup | Bushmills: wait. the installed version is ...-24 not 18 |
| 20:43.29 | Zappacky | amphi: (Both min and max frequencies set to 800, and not changeable) |
| 20:43.37 | lextul | hi , is it correct, that the lenny beta1 installer can encrypt the complete harddisk during the installation ? |
| 20:43.52 | Rockos | ehhhh..... not |
| 20:44.13 | amphi | Zappacky: you can't change the max freq manually |
| 20:44.16 | Rockos | As far as I know.... which task are you running_ |
| 20:44.22 | markybob | lextul, /boot remains unencrypted in its own partition. / is encrypted as is the rest |
| 20:44.32 | Zappacky | amphi: Yes I can. I regularly do whenever I have the AC adapter plugged in :P |
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| 20:45.26 | amphi | Zappacky: it's not some bios setting like 'power-saving on batt' or equiv? |
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| 20:45.50 | lextul | markybob: thank you very much |
| 20:46.07 | Zappacky | amphi: No bios setting like that |
| 20:46.29 | qubodup | can anyone help me downgrading my kernel? |
| 20:46.37 | peleg | Rockos: I am running a bash script that I wrote. |
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| 20:47.10 | Rockos | What is it doing_ |
| 20:47.20 | Zappacky | amphi: I saw something called ACPI WMI in the kernel when I was Kconfig'ging it recently. I also saw that this has something to do with hardware stuff like backlights and such. I enabled it but it doesn't seem to support the chip/whatever in my laptop |
| 20:47.30 | Zappacky | since no relevant devices show up |
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| 20:47.40 | Sago7 | hi all |
| 20:47.50 | Zappacky | it's pretty poorly documented, though. Might the cpufreq stuff be stashed away in there somewhere? |
| 20:48.06 | Sago7 | someone use freenx? |
| 20:48.25 | Sago7 | i have a singular problem with resume sessions... From differents pcs.. |
| 20:48.37 | amphi | Zappacky: dunno - I use intel here, & it Just Works(tm) |
| 20:49.25 | Zappacky | amphi: Yea, stuff doesn't "just work" on hp laptops |
| 20:49.33 | amphi | heh |
| 20:49.49 | amphi | linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org reveal anything? |
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| 20:50.42 | Zappacky | nope, I'm apparently within the first 10 people in the world to install linux on a tx2000 |
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| 20:51.05 | Zappacky | (I ordered mine the day the model was released, so I'm not surprised) |
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| 20:59.22 | b_jonas | hmm, can't you preorder such a laptop before it's released/ |
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| 21:00.15 | Zappacky | If you could, I wasn't aware of it |
| 21:00.21 | Zappacky | they hadn't announced it |
| 21:00.39 | Zappacky | I heard of the tx2000's existence through other people, not through HP |
| 21:00.53 | Zappacky | so I doubt they would have preordered one for me before it was supposed to exist ;P |
| 21:01.31 | b_jonas | this preorder thing is wierd |
| 21:01.45 | b_jonas | I preordered the last two harry potter books, but there's no actual need for that |
| 21:02.07 | b_jonas | because the supply is so large that as I went to buy it the first day I could have bought it anyway even if I didn't preorder it |
| 21:02.14 | b_jonas | for the same price |
| 21:02.20 | Guerin | take it to #econ101 |
| 21:02.32 | b_jonas | so it's mostly a gesture so the stores can measure the supply in advance better |
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| 21:03.08 | b_jonas | but there isn't much need for that either because a Harry Potter book stays popular for long enough that there's not much problem if they order too much |
| 21:03.17 | Guerin | answer: there's social utility in pre-ordering. |
| 21:03.26 | b_jonas | sometimes yep |
| 21:03.32 | b_jonas | depends on what you pre-order |
| 21:03.55 | b_jonas | like, for some football or concert, you have to preorder because they run out of tickets very early |
| 21:04.05 | b_jonas | and sometimes if you preorder you get stuff cheaper |
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| 21:07.38 | wurstwolf | hi all |
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| 21:07.55 | wurstwolf | is it possible to use fromiso with the current lenny-installer? |
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| 21:33.00 | pngwn | lmartin92isAFK, #vmware? |
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| 21:33.43 | lmartin92isAFK | ok............. |
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| 21:34.21 | Urfin | I'm trying to install the current 'testing' snapshot for amd64 (both weekly cd and daily netinst) and getting 'Unable to load kernel modules'. Is there anything to try to make it work? |
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| 21:35.20 | d0uglas | Urfin: you've been able to get other versions of debian fired up on this box? |
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| 21:35.37 | debian | Is debian.org the debian site? |
| 21:35.50 | debian | Never mind |
| 21:35.55 | debian | I spelled it wrong |
| 21:36.22 | Urfin | yes, I've installed 'testing' on it almost a year ago |
| 21:36.37 | Urfin | nothing recent though |
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| 21:37.03 | ericrw | Urfin: is it today's daily? |
| 21:37.40 | ericrw | Urfin: there is a note on the debian-installer page that they've been breaking the installers in the past few weeks and you've got to use today's daily, or none at all |
| 21:37.47 | ericrw | (to install testing) |
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| 21:38.06 | ericrw | Urfin: I wouldn't be surprised if even today's daily was broken |
| 21:38.21 | Urfin | ericrw: 25-1, AFAIR, is there a newer one? |
| 21:38.34 | ericrw | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2008/20080508 |
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| 21:39.40 | dabreegs1er | I'm trying to find a good tabbed xterm. powershell is great aside from flicker when switching tabs and it butchers curses with aptitude, elinks, etc. Bugreports for this have already been submitted. I usually don't ask for recommendations, but I've gone through apt's selection and freshmeat. gnome-terminal and konsole seem usable, but they pull in libraries I don't need |
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| 21:40.52 | lydgate | anyone running firefox3 on lenny? |
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| 21:41.28 | master_alvaro | lydgate: ff3 is in experimental |
| 21:41.34 | lydgate | dabreegs1er: gnu screen? hehe |
| 21:41.59 | dendrite | dabreegs1er: When I need a tabbed terminal thingy, I use konsole... |
| 21:42.10 | dendrite | dabreegs1er: But then again, I use KDE... |
| 21:42.18 | dabreegs1er | lydgate: screen eats mouse usage for elinks and similar, sadly |
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| 21:42.33 | dabreegs1er | dendrite: i might just use that. are the keybindings easily configurable? |
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| 21:42.43 | Urfin | ericrw: it says there Beta 1 should work, I'm a bit confused with the directory structure, is it the one living in 'lenny_di_beta1' dir? |
| 21:42.48 | lydgate | dabreegs1er: ah. wouldn't know, i don't even have a mouse plugged in right now |
| 21:42.52 | dendrite | dabreegs1er: I don't know, the default bindings work for me. |
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| 21:43.10 | lydgate | that's why i want ff3, so i can run the new vimperator |
| 21:43.10 | lydgate | hehe |
| 21:43.20 | ericrw | Urfin: yes |
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| 21:43.51 | ericrw | Urfin: what its trying to say is that the full CD images will work, but the network-ones will be broken |
| 21:43.57 | dabreegs1er | Well, thanks. I'll try konsole. Pity about powershell though. If I wrote C, I'd fix it. |
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| 21:44.20 | ph0t0nix | Hi all, I'm trying to install Debian Etch on an SGI O2 over the network. I'm in the installer now, but I can't seem to find an option to use LVM. The manual says LVM may not be supported on all archs. Is MIPS one of those? |
| 21:44.21 | Fryguy-- | urxvt/mrxvt/gnome-terminal/konsole should be the only terminals you need to look at |
| 21:44.55 | dendrite | Fryguy--: Not xterm? |
| 21:45.03 | Urfin | oh, I've tried the full one from weekly-builds, got the same error |
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| 21:45.07 | Fryguy-- | dendrite: imo, no |
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| 21:45.46 | JensNDS | hi |
| 21:45.51 | dendrite | Fryguy--: For coding windows, I use xterm, mainly because I don't want to bother with the menu bar, it takes up space I'd rather use for text buffers... |
| 21:45.54 | lydgate | i use aterm, hehe |
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| 21:46.23 | Fryguy-- | lydgate: you should look at urxvt, it's similar to aterm, but faster, and renders fonts better |
| 21:46.23 | wurstwolf | is it possible to use fromiso with the current lenny-installer? |
| 21:46.39 | lydgate | Fryguy--: every time i've tried urxvt something has annoyed me |
| 21:46.46 | lydgate | it doesn't do fake transparency or something |
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| 21:47.06 | lydgate | and some programs would misbehave |
| 21:47.16 | Fryguy-- | lydgate: it does fake transparency, as well as real transparency. i've never had an issue with it |
| 21:47.18 | lydgate | maybe it's gotten better though it's been a few years since i tried it |
| 21:47.47 | lydgate | i think when i last tried the fake transparency wasn't as fast as aterm |
| 21:48.05 | lydgate | and i use tiling wm so it gets annoying fast if you have to wait an extra .1 seconds |
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| 21:48.41 | dendrite | shudders at the thought of writing code in a transparent window... |
| 21:49.04 | lydgate | you just have to have a very low contrast background |
| 21:49.05 | lydgate | hehe |
| 21:49.08 | uamenti | my favourite is the gvim desert or evening themese |
| 21:49.10 | simonrvn | eew, hard on the eyes.... |
| 21:49.18 | uamenti | green on black works good too |
| 21:49.20 | lydgate | yeah i use desert |
| 21:49.24 | simonrvn | (transp. xterm) |
| 21:49.38 | lydgate | simonrvn: not if you use a very black background image |
| 21:49.46 | xingu | shudders at the thought of transparency without hardware alpha blending |
| 21:50.11 | lydgate | well, we don't all have fast machines |
| 21:50.21 | simonrvn | lydgate: for you maybe. |
| 21:51.12 | xingu | lets trailfocus take care of all the pesky transparency related details |
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| 21:51.28 | xingu | gnome-terminal does the job ;) |
| 21:51.37 | lydgate | whatever, you can use non-transparent urxvt, and I can use fake transparent aterm. each serves a different purpose |
| 21:52.00 | lydgate | gnome-terminal is too slow |
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| 21:52.04 | lydgate | for my machine |
| 21:52.07 | b_jonas | fake transparent as in background computed from desktop background? |
| 21:52.10 | lydgate | or vice versa |
| 21:52.22 | b_jonas | lydgate: yeah, gnome-terminal is slow for older machines |
| 21:52.41 | b_jonas | but for even older ones (before P-II) even xterm was noticeably slow |
| 21:52.50 | lydgate | b_jonas: yes. i use an almost black background image and fake transparency, it's very fast and i like the way it looks |
| 21:52.53 | b_jonas | (they say that's because of the unicode handling) |
| 21:53.08 | b_jonas | which is the primary reason I was such a textmode geek at that time |
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| 21:53.12 | b_jonas | svgatext and all that stuff |
| 21:53.21 | lydgate | xterm doesn't handle unicode i thought? i thought it was all the tektronix emulation that slowed down xterm |
| 21:53.22 | xingu | dendrite: it's less daft that it sounds if you're sane about it - min 90% opacity on solid black background/ white glyphs gives you just enough fog to be able to see motion in whatever's under the stack without making it hard on the eyes |
| 21:53.38 | b_jonas | lydgate: it does handle unicode |
| 21:53.47 | lydgate | oh. right |
| 21:53.47 | b_jonas | at least re-encoding and stuff |
| 21:54.01 | b_jonas | I think it does handle real utf-8 terminal too |
| 21:54.03 | b_jonas | I'm not sure |
| 21:54.06 | lydgate | i thought everyone used urxvt because xterm didn't do it right? or am i just behind the times |
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| 21:54.09 | b_jonas | I'm using it as a 8859-2 terminal |
| 21:54.27 | b_jonas | lydgate: yep, some people did use rxvt for that reason |
| 21:54.37 | lydgate | ok |
| 21:54.38 | b_jonas | is urxvt the unicode version? |
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| 21:54.42 | lydgate | yeah i don't use utf-8 |
| 21:55.01 | b_jonas | well, I only didn't because of what I said |
| 21:55.03 | Urfin | is there an apt-get incantation to tell me which package does the file belong to? |
| 21:55.09 | b_jonas | I used SVGATextMode |
| 21:55.13 | b_jonas | Urfin: yep, |
| 21:55.16 | b_jonas | um |
| 21:55.24 | xingu | I used to use rxvt because it was small in terms of working set and memory bandwidth and fast (with pcf fonts) |
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| 21:55.28 | lydgate | if it can't be written in ASCII it's not worth reading |
| 21:55.34 | lydgate | (not being serious) |
| 21:55.48 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, so how do i get the ip addy of a Linux box; the one it is currently using? |
| 21:55.54 | b_jonas | Urfin: dpkg -S filename |
| 21:56.00 | lydgate | PapaSmurf: ipconfig? |
| 21:56.13 | xingu | but hey, less important now; the world's moved on a little since the s3/801 :) |
| 21:56.26 | b_jonas | PapaSmurf: it's ifconfig actually |
| 21:56.31 | b_jonas | (ipconfig is the windows one) |
| 21:57.02 | lydgate | haha, right |
| 21:57.03 | b_jonas | PapaSmurf: you can run /sbin/ifconfig even as non-root normally |
| 21:57.13 | b_jonas | even though it's not in the path |
| 21:57.16 | xingu | spins his desktop sphere around just to annoy lydgate |
| 21:57.17 | Urfin | b_jonas: thanks |
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| 21:57.40 | lydgate | xingu: ? |
| 21:57.50 | b_jonas | lydgate: and as for xterms, I got fed up with the not-really-good monospace fonts available |
| 21:57.51 | PapaSmurf | thx Ok, my gnome term window says that ifconfig is not found. man ifconfig gives me help, when I try to run it from /sbin/ it is not found. whereis reports that there is a tat.gz file?? |
| 21:58.00 | b_jonas | so I made my own now that I had a bit of time |
| 21:58.02 | simonrvn | xingu: hey, does your x server bloat to ~200 MiB when you enable compiz? |
| 21:58.06 | lydgate | b_jonas: ah, cool |
| 21:58.11 | b_jonas | I don't release it yet because it still needs some editing |
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| 21:58.22 | abrotman | PapaSmurf: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:58.22 | simonrvn | it runs ~175 MiB (virt) without it... |
| 21:58.23 | b_jonas | but that's easy: I'll just use it in the xterms for a while |
| 21:58.27 | xingu | lydgate: desktop pager; 4 workspaces wrapped around a sphere. |
| 21:58.29 | b_jonas | and edit anything I don't like in the appearience |
| 21:58.35 | b_jonas | and after some time it'll stabilize |
| 21:58.40 | b_jonas | I did that for the console too |
| 21:58.42 | lydgate | xingu: oh right. yeah never used compiz |
| 21:58.47 | b_jonas | so I started from that font |
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| 21:59.03 | xingu | simonrvn: 103m resident 229m virt, 2wk since last logout/ login |
| 21:59.06 | b_jonas | but it's not completely trivial to grow a bitmap font from 9x16 to 10x20 |
| 21:59.16 | b_jonas | also I need to do the international characters |
| 21:59.17 | dabreegs1er | gnome-terminal looks nice. But I'm getting glitchy characters in aptitude on the right side of the screen by the package description. I'll search bug reports |
| 21:59.23 | xingu | simonrvn: firefox has managed to worm its way up to 313/703m :) |
| 21:59.30 | b_jonas | oh, also |
| 21:59.37 | b_jonas | xterm these days can do true type fonts |
| 21:59.45 | b_jonas | so there's no need to use gnome-terminal anyawy |
| 22:00.04 | b_jonas | oh btw |
| 22:00.15 | simonrvn | xingu: ok, just wondering. nice to have a comparison. thanks dude :). hehe, typical. there's a new FF3 rc1 out -- dunno *how* new, but i finally updated.. didn't want to use beta5. |
| 22:00.18 | xingu | I don't think xterm can do tabs though |
| 22:00.30 | simonrvn | no it can't |
| 22:00.34 | dabreegs1er | Yeah. A simple tabbed xterm with configurable keybindings. Why is that so hard? |
| 22:00.36 | b_jonas | oh, I use multiple xterm windows rather than tabs |
| 22:00.38 | simonrvn | does have a menu however ;) |
| 22:00.43 | simonrvn | 3 in fact |
| 22:00.45 | xingu | yeah. :) |
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| 22:01.08 | b_jonas | my xterm displays incorrectly when I set it to full screen |
| 22:01.23 | lydgate | dabreegs1er: it sounds like you should try ion or wmii or something, hehe |
| 22:01.26 | b_jonas | it works in the sizes I usually do but not when it's maximized or almost as larged |
| 22:01.32 | b_jonas | I dunno why |
| 22:01.47 | dabreegs1er | lydgate: i think the term emu itself should provide the tabbing feature. I know window managers can do it |
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| 22:02.14 | xingu | I used to rather like multi gnome term |
| 22:02.16 | theom3ga | hi there |
| 22:02.20 | b_jonas | did anyone have similar problems with xterm? |
| 22:02.24 | sessaid | HELP! I typed this by mistake as root rm /somedirectory and then I typed cd / and hit enter so this is what I ended up with rm /somedir/cd / :-( |
| 22:02.26 | sessaid | So far I am still connected with ssh and I noticed that only /sbin was gone at the root level but who knows what else happended. What is the best way to fix such a proble? |
| 22:02.27 | sessaid | This is a remote box and I do not have a backup for system files, only my data. |
| 22:02.40 | lydgate | dabreegs1er: yeah i agree |
| 22:02.45 | simonrvn | xingu: the m-g-t was less bloaty than the present g-t |
| 22:02.46 | lydgate | i'm disappointed by the choice of terms as well |
| 22:02.52 | lydgate | i think arg of suckless is writing a term |
| 22:02.53 | b_jonas | sessaid: was there a -R switch? |
| 22:03.09 | b_jonas | sessaid: anyway, that's quite a difficult problem |
| 22:03.10 | sessaid | oh, yes! that too :-( |
| 22:03.23 | xingu | simonrvn: that's why I liked it ;) |
| 22:03.44 | sessaid | b_jonas: So far everything is working as far as I can tell |
| 22:04.02 | b_jonas | a friend told me he messed some command that should have been 'rm foobar &> /dev/null' to delete /dev/null |
| 22:04.13 | b_jonas | and that caused very bad misterious errors till he noticed |
| 22:04.22 | sessaid | b_jonas: my plan was to extract the status from dpkg database and create a chroot based on that info |
| 22:04.23 | b_jonas | but deleting / recursively is worse |
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| 22:05.02 | b_jonas | sessaid: I recommend trying to start a subshell so you don't break the connection by hitting control-d accicentally |
| 22:05.07 | b_jonas | or even start a screen session if you can |
| 22:05.17 | b_jonas | but screen might not be installed of course |
| 22:05.24 | b_jonas | still, recovering is difficult |
| 22:05.30 | sessaid | b_jonas: I can still login to ssh in new shells |
| 22:05.52 | simonrvn | xingu: i usually run with 4 xterms. i started trying out g-t (after a looong hiatus) to see if i could save screen space. no, 'cause i always have at least 4-10 windows open from different apps o_O. |
| 22:06.01 | sessaid | b_jonas: Like I said, everything is working as far as I can tell but I can't explain why |
| 22:06.05 | simonrvn | s,xterms,uxterms, |
| 22:06.30 | b_jonas | sessaid: you could try to 'ls -U1 /' which will probably give you the files in the order rm tried to delete |
| 22:06.42 | b_jonas | but it's not sure it will be the same order |
| 22:06.52 | b_jonas | same for the subdir it stopped in |
| 22:07.00 | simonrvn | !find zsh-lovers sid |
| 22:07.04 | b_jonas | you should probably find out what got deleted |
| 22:07.29 | b_jonas | simonrvn: saving screen space _is_ important for me too |
| 22:07.40 | xingu | simonrvn: I got hooked on mgt back when sawfish was the duck's nuts and galeon was a happening thing :) |
| 22:07.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'zsh-lovers' returned no results. |
| 22:07.58 | simonrvn | oh fuck yeh :). those were the days :). |
| 22:08.22 | xingu | simonrvn: used to make my old notebook grind a bit, but once it had figured out what the hot parts of the working set were, it was fine from a usability perspective |
| 22:08.24 | b_jonas | that's why I set up the fonts in the icewm tray and removed the title bars of all windows |
| 22:08.33 | simonrvn | and good ol' gmc ;) |
| 22:08.39 | zkline | Speaking of screens and X, how necesary is it to configure xorg.conf for my hardware? I'm blind--the display doesn't matter to me much. I just installed Gnome and wasn't sure if I should optimize the configuration. |
| 22:09.03 | simonrvn | though usually i ended up just cd'ing everywhere instead. had very little ram too in those days |
| 22:09.04 | b_jonas | this way I can see two xterms which are 500 pixels (25 rows with 20 each) below each other on a 1024 px high screen |
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| 22:09.29 | sessaid | b_jonas: I did ls -Ul and I got sbin at top (I coppied this /sbin from another box) and the next entries were /lost+found /var /tmp ........ |
| 22:09.42 | xingu | zkline: recent xorg is getting much better about things; you can basically rely on it auto sensing a lot of the defaults |
| 22:09.45 | b_jonas | sessaid: did /sbin got deleted completely? |
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| 22:09.50 | sessaid | yes |
| 22:09.54 | b_jonas | because if so, then it must have started the next ones |
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| 22:10.05 | sessaid | but I copied it from another box |
| 22:10.07 | xingu | zkline: not sure what recent means though; definitely sid, and possibly lenny. |
| 22:10.13 | simonrvn | ouch. i once did that to /bin once... |
| 22:10.25 | b_jonas | oh, you can recreate lost+found with mklost+found (don't just mkdir it) |
| 22:10.33 | b_jonas | so what's the next? /var? |
| 22:10.44 | b_jonas | maybe ls -U1 that too to see what it started to delete |
| 22:10.46 | sessaid | b_jonas: no, lost+found is still there |
| 22:10.47 | xingu | zkline: if you need to run Xorg as a display server, you probably still need a config file of some description |
| 22:11.02 | b_jonas | what about /var? |
| 22:11.15 | b_jonas | that is, is everything in it still there? |
| 22:11.20 | zkline | I'm on Lenny myself. I only ask because I have a nvidia card, and have heard of the drivers and watnot. It doesn't really matter to me much--not like I can see it. |
| 22:11.41 | sessaid | b_jonas: it looks like they are all there. At least at the root level |
| 22:11.45 | simonrvn | xingu: how much ram does that box have? |
| 22:11.56 | b_jonas | sessaid: they're all there? wierd |
| 22:12.03 | sessaid | b_jonas: I know |
| 22:12.07 | dabreegs1er | gnome-terminal doesnt have config files anywhere? I don't see them... I need to specify multiple keybindings for an action |
| 22:12.08 | b_jonas | how could you start it so fast? |
| 22:12.16 | simonrvn | 'weird' |
| 22:12.17 | b_jonas | did rm give any errors? |
| 22:12.26 | b_jonas | um, wait |
| 22:12.31 | b_jonas | did you perhaps not run it as root? |
| 22:12.37 | sessaid | b_jonas: no, it just stopped after about 2-3 seconds |
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| 22:12.48 | simonrvn | rm will stay in mem until it exits, so it removing itself won't do anything until you call it again. |
| 22:12.54 | sessaid | but I was in a subdirectory when this happened |
| 22:12.58 | zkline | Also having a lot of trouble getting wireless to work, on an unrelated note. Broadcom 4310 doesn't seem to be supported. |
| 22:13.14 | zythmer | zkline: The X.org nv driver is good enough for 2D. It should autodetect that when dexconf builds the xorg.conf. |
| 22:13.24 | b_jonas | sessaid: did rm give error messages? was it ran as root? are any of your fs mounted as readonly? |
| 22:13.36 | sessaid | b_jonas: I was root that is why sbin was gon |
| 22:13.38 | sessaid | gone |
| 22:14.03 | b_jonas | maybe something was using /sibn which is why rm couldn't delete it |
| 22:14.07 | b_jonas | like cded to it or something |
| 22:14.14 | b_jonas | check /var |
| 22:14.15 | sessaid | b_jonas: let me look around in the subdirectories and see what I find. |
| 22:14.21 | b_jonas | sure |
| 22:14.30 | zkline | Thanks. |
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| 22:14.44 | sessaid | b_jonas: sbin was gone |
| 22:14.48 | zythmer | sessaid: What filesystem is / on? |
| 22:15.02 | zythmer | or whatever it started deleting |
| 22:15.24 | xingu | simonrvn: my workstation? 2GB |
| 22:15.33 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 22:15.34 | b_jonas | zythmer: ext2 or a derivative |
| 22:15.37 | b_jonas | it has lost+found |
| 22:15.59 | zkline | I wonder if I can use ndiswrapper. |
| 22:16.09 | sessaid | zythmer: / and /sbin is on sda, same partition, and I was in a directory on sdb |
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| 22:17.18 | riot | hi. |
| 22:17.34 | zythmer | sessaid: I haven't personally used these, but did you try e2undel or recover? They both support ext2. There's a bot entry about a process for recovering ext3. |
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| 22:18.20 | markybob | dont you have to know the specific inodes to recover in ext3? |
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| 22:18.44 | sessaid | zythmer: let me read about e2undel |
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| 22:19.21 | zythmer | markybob: From what I read, no. |
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| 22:20.17 | lydgate | hmm xulrunner-1.9 from experimental doesn't seem to want to install... claims it needs xulrunner-1.9-common but i've already installed that from experimental |
| 22:20.22 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, so I skipped the whole package thing, and now I am logged in as root. my ifconfig gives me the ip addy I entered during install. My other machines cannot ping it. they are on the same 192.168.1.x subnet. My mask is 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:20.49 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, check if you have a route setup |
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| 22:21.35 | ovi | hola |
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| 22:22.42 | sessaid | zythmer: does e2undel work if it wasn't installed when this happened? |
| 22:24.48 | hudu | How do I upgrade to GTK+ 2.10 or newer using either 'apt-get install', 'aptitude install' or 'Synaptic Package Manager' |
| 22:24.50 | hudu | I tried 'apt-cache search gtk+' and a synaptic search for gtk+ ... I see a bunch of stuff about examples and engines, but I don't know what to do with it. |
| 22:25.06 | zythmer | sessaid: No, but you don't want to install it and have it use some of the free blocks you're trying to recover. |
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| 22:25.45 | docmax | hello |
| 22:26.15 | sessaid | zythmer: right, but I didn't have either recover or e2undel. When you say no you mean that it will work or not work if I install it? |
| 22:26.16 | docmax | how can i define the default programs for file extentions? |
| 22:26.44 | docmax | i just want to double klick a mp3 file for example |
| 22:27.18 | zythmer | sessaid: sorry, I meant no it doesn't have to be installed before you need it. |
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| 22:27.26 | abrotman | docmax: depends on your DE |
| 22:28.05 | salvin | docmax, which file manager? |
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| 22:28.19 | docmax | gnome |
| 22:28.23 | docmax | gnome commander |
| 22:28.37 | docmax | nautilus |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | nautilus has a way to do it .. not sure about "gnome commander" |
| 22:28.42 | emma | abrotman: do you know a way to do that from the command line? (setting default applications for given file extensions?) |
| 22:28.49 | abrotman | in nautilus .. right click on the file |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | emma: never tried .. but i'd imagine there's some gconf way to do it |
| 22:29.36 | PapaSmurf | crashanddie: my route is good. |
| 22:29.48 | sessaid | zythmer: e2undel says that device should not be mounted. Should I still try it anyways because it it the root and there is no way I can unmount it right now. |
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| 22:30.20 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, can you show us the output of route just to be sure ? |
| 22:30.26 | docmax | why isnt it like window... file associated with a default program |
| 22:30.33 | docmax | is there an editor? |
| 22:30.54 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 22:30.54 | dpkg | ae sucks |
| 22:31.12 | PapaSmurf | well, I can't get to the interent to patebin it... |
| 22:31.29 | bitweiler | is gnome required to run the gnome panel? |
| 22:31.36 | PapaSmurf | so. it has two lines, localnet and default |
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| 22:32.08 | PapaSmurf | localnet * 255.255.255.0,U,0,0,0,eth0 |
| 22:32.42 | PapaSmurf | default 192.168.1.254,0.0.0.0, UG,0,0,0,eth0 |
| 22:32.58 | PapaSmurf | as Destinat, Gateway, Genmask, Flags, Metric, ref, use, iface |
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| 22:33.06 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, ok, that's good |
| 22:33.36 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, can your debian box ping the router ? |
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| 22:34.44 | zythmer | sessaid: If you can, find someone who has used e2undel. :) However, the man page says should but not must. It will work but be sure you specify a different mount point to save it under. The man page is saying you are risking other processes (besides e2undel) overwriting the data. |
| 22:34.56 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, does your dmesg show anything like a link that is up, etc, all the usual stuff |
| 22:35.01 | dabreegs1er | what's the iso locale for default english character sets or whatever? |
| 22:35.10 | PapaSmurf | no. which my gateway should be 192.168.1.254 |
| 22:35.15 | crashanddie | iso-8859-1 ? |
| 22:35.18 | PapaSmurf | I'm gettnig 100% packet loss |
| 22:35.21 | riot | i have a weird nvidia-problem (using m-a). Some kernel mismatch or so |
| 22:35.23 | dabreegs1er | yeah thats it, thanks |
| 22:35.32 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, 100% packet loss, not unreachable network ? |
| 22:36.07 | riot | :q |
| 22:36.08 | PapaSmurf | ok on windoze box, not on debian |
| 22:36.17 | riot | ewrongwindow, sorry |
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| 22:36.34 | PapaSmurf | now, I DID manually assign that IP addy for the Debian box, so I am not using DHCP sorta. |
| 22:36.54 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, ethernet or wifi ? |
| 22:37.30 | PapaSmurf | windoze is working (obviously, I am talking to you), but ping 192.168.1.254 -c 10 gives 100 packet loss after 10 sec |
| 22:37.31 | bluequijote | How I can see a video in my debian... the mplayer show me that file has been encumbered with drm encryption... |
| 22:37.52 | riot | m-a a-i nvidia tells me, i would be trying to build for a xen-kernel, which is definitely not true :( |
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| 22:38.10 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, might just be the router that doesn't reply to ping |
| 22:38.17 | dabreegs1er | bluequijote: is it a dvd? there's libcss i believe, but there are probably legal issues |
| 22:38.21 | dustybin | right, no more lenny updating, leave it alone and wait until its released :P |
| 22:38.23 | PapaSmurf | Noven, it replies to my windows box |
| 22:38.26 | sessaid | zythmer: no deleted files found using e2undel |
| 22:38.41 | PapaSmurf | the router is not showing my debian box on the network, either. |
| 22:39.01 | bluequijote | no it is a wmv... |
| 22:39.02 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, ok, let's take this back from the start |
| 22:39.07 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, unplug the ethernet cable |
| 22:39.10 | sessaid | It there any way I can tell dpkg or aptitude to reinstall missing files? |
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| 22:39.30 | PapaSmurf | lol. I just checked that while you said that! |
| 22:39.33 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, check dmesg, it should tell you something about a link going down. Then do a ifconfig eth0 down |
| 22:39.40 | Sebboh | hi, what's the minimum set of packages I need to install to mount an nfs4 volume hosted on another machine? I'm on Debian Lenny. |
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| 22:39.54 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, then plug the cable back in, check dmesg, and ifconfig eth1 IPADDRESS up |
| 22:39.59 | crashanddie | eth0** |
| 22:40.21 | PapaSmurf | dmesg says eth0: setting full-duplex |
| 22:40.48 | The_PHP_Jedi | hm... on a fresh install of Etch, I'm not getting any sound output, even after running alsaconf ,and raising the volume levels to max + unmuting. Any clues? |
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| 22:41.13 | abrotman | !alsa checkilst |
| 22:41.13 | markybob | The_PHP_Jedi, user in audio group? |
| 22:41.15 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 22:41.15 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 22:41.37 | PapaSmurf | dmesg ACPI Power Button FF PWRF ? |
| 22:41.43 | The_PHP_Jedi | Good check list you got there. Will go through it. :) |
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| 22:42.00 | The_PHP_Jedi | markybob, I haven't added it manually, so I'll check it. |
| 22:42.15 | zythmer | sessaid: Again, I would find someone who has used e2undel in Debian before. The README.Debian says e2undel in Debian doesn't include the undel library. The e2undel man page says if you don't have the undel library, you must use the -a option to search all files. It also says, without the undel library, you cannot recover by name. |
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| 22:42.55 | kuber | the shareef don't like it! |
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| 22:43.09 | riot | :(( why does the nvidia-module claim i would have a xen-kernel?? |
| 22:43.12 | PapaSmurf | demsg has not reported any issue with the link going down |
| 22:43.14 | xingu | hmm, new dg834g firmware |
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| 22:43.29 | fairway | hi |
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| 22:43.37 | fairway | is thunderbird 3.0 alpha1 workable? |
| 22:43.41 | phr3al | hey guys |
| 22:43.46 | phr3al | i got some doubts |
| 22:43.48 | phr3al | :) |
| 22:44.02 | sessaid | zythmer: I did use the -a option. I am going go write a script to compare /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list against the system and see if I notice a problem area |
| 22:44.03 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 22:44.05 | Sebboh | zythmer, sessaid, usually in cases like that the missing piece is missing because of a license issue.. might find it in the non-free repos. |
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| 22:44.16 | Ace2016 | is there a total virtual memory limit for 32 bit systems? |
| 22:44.22 | PapaSmurf | what if I wanted to use DHCP and have my router give me an IPADDRESS? |
| 22:44.27 | crashanddie | Ace2016, 4gig ? |
| 22:44.29 | Ace2016 | like 4GB limit for ram + swap? |
| 22:44.31 | abrotman | fairway: ask them .. irc.mozilla.org |
| 22:44.32 | phr3al | how much memory is taken for tty |
| 22:44.42 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, dhclient eth0 |
| 22:44.48 | Cromag | mysql 4782 1.2 0.1 5716 2220 ? Ss 00:33 0:00 glftpd:tonedef |
| 22:44.49 | Sebboh | sessaid, or just google e2undel debian.. if it's in the readme, it's a known issue. |
| 22:44.53 | Ace2016 | because i have 4GB of ram and 5GB of swap |
| 22:44.55 | Cromag | gah, my bad.. |
| 22:45.15 | PapaSmurf | before or after I re-ifconfig eht0 addy up |
| 22:45.22 | abrotman | Sebboh: doesn't work with journaled FS really |
| 22:45.27 | crashanddie | ... lol... shouldn't the guy who wrote /dev/urandom get royalties when we pipe it to /dev/dsp ? |
| 22:45.39 | phr3al | How much memory is taken for tty |
| 22:45.40 | Supaplex | !undelete |
| 22:45.40 | dpkg | [undeleting] Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 22:45.40 | Ace2016 | nooooooooo kernel compile failed |
| 22:45.56 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, doesn't matter |
| 22:46.13 | The_PHP_Jedi | oh, hey there crashanddie :) |
| 22:46.16 | markybob | i knew it! |
| 22:46.25 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, noob, didn't see me before now ? |
| 22:46.28 | Sebboh | abrotman, oh. I dunno what the heck e2undel is; just putting my 2 cents in on this guy's question. :) |
| 22:46.40 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, was running the test commands. |
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| 22:46.50 | abrotman | Sebboh: but you recommended it anyways? |
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| 22:46.56 | abrotman | nevermind .. don't want to know |
| 22:46.58 | sessaid | Sebboh: as far as I can tell e2undel ran without problems. It only found few files deleted last year on a partition other than the one I am interested in. The root partition showed no deletions. |
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| 22:47.10 | Ace2016 | this is so unfair, the compile went perfectly and it screws up on making the deb because of a permissions issue |
| 22:47.46 | Ace2016 | dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 |
| 22:47.56 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, dhclient talked to my router, they seemed to get along well, chatted about some numbers. i got an offer from the routher, on port 67, |
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| 22:48.05 | PapaSmurf | and a renewal in 226 seconds. |
| 22:48.19 | crashanddie | 226 seconds ? Damn that's short... |
| 22:48.26 | Sebboh | abrotman, what do I need to install to mount nfsv4 volumes hosted on another machine? Debian Lenny.. I installed nfs common, I got /sbin/mount.nfs4 .. but, I get mount.nfs4: Operation not permitted when I try to mount the export.. |
| 22:48.26 | PapaSmurf | bound to 74.184.157.xxx???? |
| 22:48.30 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, hm.. not sure how to check for these. I checked everything else on the checklist. "4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded?" |
| 22:48.47 | PapaSmurf | my lease on other machines has been days and dayz |
| 22:49.01 | abrotman | Sebboh: can root do it ? |
| 22:49.04 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, lsmod | grep -i oss |
| 22:49.36 | Sebboh | abrotman, sessaid, nope, nope, I don't recommend e2undel. :) I just parsed something sessaid said about what the README.Debian said and put in my interpretation.. :) |
| 22:49.37 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, isn't 74.x your public IP ? |
| 22:49.39 | PapaSmurf | why is my ipaddy not nat? huh. I'm a server |
| 22:49.47 | PapaSmurf | yup |
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| 22:50.07 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, is your windows box DHCP ? Does it get a valid private IP ? |
| 22:50.07 | go_coder1 | is kde4 in debian testing ? |
| 22:50.15 | go_coder1 | lol @ the name PapaSmurf |
| 22:50.19 | PapaSmurf | yea! crashanddie, i luv u. yes |
| 22:50.20 | Sebboh | abrotman, nope, root cannot do it. .. Hm, machine A can do it, machine B can't.. I don't see the difference in my config.. /me head scratches |
| 22:50.23 | abrotman | go_coder1: no |
| 22:50.28 | Ace2016 | 667MB in /usr/src/linux ?!?!?!? |
| 22:50.31 | abrotman | Sebboh: mount poitn perms ? |
| 22:50.41 | go_coder1 | so is their any kde4 in debian anywhere abrotman ? |
| 22:50.42 | Ace2016 | i mean is that normal? |
| 22:50.46 | AljosHa | Hey, i just need 1 info, what software is the best to use on Debian for running socks4/5 ? |
| 22:50.47 | Sebboh | abrotman, ah, checking. |
| 22:50.48 | PapaSmurf | i feel 435 years old sometimes. you know it has literally been a decade since I did this stuff? |
| 22:50.49 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, OSS modules are loaded... :-/ |
| 22:50.49 | abrotman | !tell go_coder1 about kde4 |
| 22:50.54 | markybob | Ace2016, yes. compiling a kernel takes a lot of room |
| 22:51.14 | go_coder1 | abrotman: so lenny has kde4 ? |
| 22:51.16 | abrotman | AljosHa: apt-cache search socks proxy |
| 22:51.23 | PapaSmurf | Noven, my privates are the 192.168 series, like the old 10.10.1.xxx series? |
| 22:51.27 | AljosHa | danke :) |
| 22:51.32 | PapaSmurf | Noven, my privates are the 192.168 series, like the old 10.10.1.xxx series? |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | go_coder1: read again |
| 22:51.48 | abrotman | go_coder1: read the whole thing |
| 22:52.00 | PapaSmurf | my privates are the 192.168 series, like the old 10.10.1.xxx series? but I am showing up in my router table now! yea! |
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| 22:52.07 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, your privates are the 192.168 series ? Yeah... You are 435 years old... I only have 2 privates |
| 22:52.11 | PapaSmurf | is wide open to hacks now |
| 22:52.55 | PapaSmurf | yea, inside my nat I am the 192.168.1.xxx series for all my PC (I have 10 in the house). |
| 22:53.04 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, do you have access to the interwebs from your debian box ? |
| 22:54.05 | Ace2016 | huh, sweet i had 6gigs of old kernels |
| 22:54.08 | PapaSmurf | how do i tell? I should now... |
| 22:54.21 | PapaSmurf | gimme someone to ping |
| 22:54.25 | PapaSmurf | what is google |
| 22:54.27 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, well, considering you got a dhcp answer... ping www.google.com ? |
| 22:54.40 | esaym | I have recorded some shows from my dvr onto dvd and I now want to rip these videos to my computer and cut the commercials out. What is a good program to edit out the commercials and encode the video? |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | assuming he's not blocking ping |
| 22:54.47 | PapaSmurf | i didnt know I had dns.. |
| 22:54.55 | riot | oh, those nvidia-idiots |
| 22:54.56 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, ping 64.233.187.99 (by head, not sure) |
| 22:55.11 | riot | just having the xen-headers installed makes the driver assume, i'd like a (broken) xen-module... |
| 22:55.14 | PapaSmurf | nope, good ping www.l.google.com |
| 22:55.41 | PapaSmurf | no good ping google.com |
| 22:55.49 | Sebboh | abrotman, nfs server config was wrong. Thanks. :) |
| 22:56.15 | Ace2016 | esaym: can you not connect to the dvr and download them directly? |
| 22:56.35 | riot | wtf is wroing with nvidia and xen?! i don't HAVE any xen-stuff yet it tries to build for xen-linux |
| 22:56.36 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, ok, so now you know that your debian box can communicate with the dark side of the moon, now check your router, and see why he gave out a public IP |
| 22:56.42 | PapaSmurf | nope no good 64.223... |
| 22:56.56 | PapaSmurf | i will ask it. |
| 22:56.57 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, dns worked ? |
| 22:57.00 | esaym | Ace2016: I would have to use firewire and drag my computer into the living room. Too much trouble. Plus I just bought a dvd recorder ;) |
| 22:57.04 | PapaSmurf | no dns |
| 22:57.16 | Ace2016 | i assume you can drag the dvr to the computer |
| 22:57.26 | esaym | Ace2016: even if I could download them directly. I would still have the same problem of having to cut commercials and encode |
| 22:57.32 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, ok, try to run dhclient again |
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| 22:57.45 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, OSS modules are loaded... Any other ideas on what could be wrong? |
| 22:58.24 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, ps -A | grep -i arts && ps -A | grep -i esound |
| 22:59.19 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, wait, wait...my ping started coming when I tried to ping it. |
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| 22:59.38 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, no output |
| 22:59.38 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, why the hell do you keep highlighting that guy |
| 23:00.03 | penrod | greetings: where would I find debian packages for woody, I can't upgrade the distro till certain things are fixed, yes I know how old it is. |
| 23:00.08 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, I can ping my debian and my debian can ping the addy you gave me. |
| 23:00.16 | PapaSmurf | highlighting what guy? |
| 23:00.28 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, you running gnome ? go to system -> sound -> second tab -> activate ESD |
| 23:00.34 | crashanddie | (PapaSmurf) Oktane, I can ping my debian and my debian can ping the addy you gave me. |
| 23:00.48 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, you can ping it using what IP ? |
| 23:01.03 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, it's in my first tab, but yeah, it was activated. |
| 23:01.20 | PapaSmurf | my public ip, the one I pm'ed you about. |
| 23:01.22 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, rebooted ever since you activated that ? |
| 23:01.29 | crashanddie | You PM'd me ? |
| 23:01.31 | crashanddie | lol |
| 23:01.32 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, yeah |
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| 23:01.54 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, check the process list for esd |
| 23:02.19 | Ace2016 | how do i specify the .config file when running oldconfig?? |
| 23:02.38 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, ps -A | grep esd |
| 23:02.42 | abrotman | Ace2016: ask #kernel |
| 23:02.45 | PapaSmurf | maybe that's why I only got a 3 minute lease |
| 23:02.51 | Ace2016 | TY |
| 23:02.53 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, probably |
| 23:02.57 | Ace2016 | ty |
| 23:02.59 | PapaSmurf | crashanddie: are you still highlighting? |
| 23:03.26 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, I do believe you should check with your router, this doesn't seem like it's a debian related problem |
| 23:03.28 | PapaSmurf | maybe I have to tell dhclient to give me a nat addy |
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| 23:03.53 | zythmer | sessaid: Debsums compares /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums to your installed files. If you're sure you deleted files, I still think it's a better idea to try to find deleted inodes from ext2 using a tool. Maybe debsums uses /tmp which could overwrite unused blocks depending on your mount points. |
| 23:03.56 | PapaSmurf | maybe I have to tell dhclient to ask my router for a nat addy 0 dhclient.conf? |
| 23:04.09 | markybob | root____1, dont irc as root |
| 23:04.18 | Sebboh | Question: you know how traceroute shows the route some packets take at the IP level? Is there something like that for the ethernet level? 'Cause, I've got a really complicated bridge+vpn setup going on here.. And it works, but it's slow.. So I wonder if packets are going across the country when they don't need to. Traceroute for any given host to another is one hop--they're on a bridge.. but parts of that bridge.. are far away.. =P |
| 23:04.30 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, no output again |
| 23:04.51 | stiv2k | How can I keep a perpetual SSH tunnel open between 2 servers? Is there a way to do it without having an SSH session inside a screen |
| 23:04.52 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, ok, so esd isn't running |
| 23:05.01 | Ace2016 | everyone is idle there |
| 23:05.04 | sessaid | zythmer: thanks for the tip |
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| 23:05.06 | abrotman | so wait |
| 23:05.41 | PapaSmurf | i gotta say, I write a lot of doco for Blender.org, and I just love man. |
| 23:05.51 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, try a good old oss enabled program, like mpg123, or cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 23:06.04 | Ace2016 | its sunday night, its going to be a long wait |
| 23:06.37 | crashanddie | stiv2k, I recall there's a SSH option to make an SSH session to go into background |
| 23:06.45 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, ok... tried cat... is there supposed to be output? |
| 23:07.03 | stiv2k | crashanddie: oh? and what can I do to bring it back if the session terminates |
| 23:07.28 | crashanddie | stiv2k, check the man page, it's -f IIRC |
| 23:07.40 | kanzure | If I did apt-get source <x>, where would the source to <x> now be located? |
| 23:07.41 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, yeah, sound |
| 23:07.47 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, no sound :-/ |
| 23:08.17 | PapaSmurf | how do I see a .conf file? dhclient give me yet another public IP |
| 23:08.21 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, what soundcard/module are you using ? |
| 23:09.19 | The_PHP_Jedi | Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:09.20 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, again, I don't think this is a dhclient issue... Anyway: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf or something like that |
| 23:09.48 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, odd thing is that it worked right from the start in Ubuntu, so it can't be an incompatible card. |
| 23:10.03 | crashanddie | heh... 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 23:10.16 | stiv2k | crashanddie: uh oh |
| 23:10.27 | stiv2k | crashanddie: so how do i kill those ssh sessions now that they are in the background? |
| 23:10.36 | sessaid | zythmer: Do you know of a debian tool to restore missing files based on dpkg's database? |
| 23:10.37 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel |
| 23:10.50 | crashanddie | stiv2k, kill? |
| 23:10.52 | abrotman | zythmer: reinstall the package |
| 23:11.00 | abrotman | erm sessaid |
| 23:11.12 | markybob | The_PHP_Jedi, do you have snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 23:11.13 | stiv2k | crashanddie: yeah but i dont know which pid is which |
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| 23:11.45 | sessaid | abrotman: I am looking for a tool to check all packages because I am not sure which package is affected :-9 |
| 23:11.48 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, output: http://slexy.org/view/s2SCZnsJX8 |
| 23:11.49 | sessaid | :-( |
| 23:11.58 | abrotman | sessaid: debsums |
| 23:12.04 | The_PHP_Jedi | markybob, apparently o |
| 23:12.06 | The_PHP_Jedi | yes* |
| 23:12.14 | sessaid | abrotman: I am about to try that one now |
| 23:12.36 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, rmmod snd_hda_intel && modprobe snd_hda_intel |
| 23:12.41 | crashanddie | check dmesg for new info |
| 23:12.43 | markybob | The_PHP_Jedi, try #alsa |
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| 23:14.29 | PapaSmurf | crashanddie: u da man. I told the firewall to be strict with me, then re-executed dhclient, and got a private nat. |
| 23:14.38 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, latest dmesg related to command |
| 23:14.45 | The_PHP_Jedi | oops, forgot link: http://slexy.org/view/s27ocLE9Df |
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| 23:15.00 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, cool :) Have fun with debian ! |
| 23:15.32 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 23:15.58 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, you said esd wasn't running right ? |
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| 23:16.12 | PapaSmurf | wait a mintue pardner, you aint done with me yet! |
| 23:17.27 | crashanddie | stiv2k, I'm guessing you could use sleep 10 as a command to exec when using -f, so that it shuts down as soon as the connection is dead, also, it'll automagically shut down if no connection within 10 seconds |
| 23:17.58 | PapaSmurf | so I can ping. big damn deal.YES I can ping via DNS. does this mean apt can run? |
| 23:18.32 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, yeah, it's not running |
| 23:18.38 | crashanddie | stiv2k, e.g.: ssh -f user@server.example.com -L lport:host:rport sleep 10 |
| 23:18.46 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, tried running esd ? |
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| 23:19.09 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, wget www.google.com |
| 23:19.37 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, if you see 'index.html' saved |
| 23:19.41 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, you're good to go |
| 23:20.06 | riot | ok, nvidia-kernel works now.. why is the debian-package still broken?? The bugfix is 5 days old :( |
| 23:20.16 | riot | parts of it even a year |
| 23:20.45 | PapaSmurf | wooooot! I remember when that was called spyder |
| 23:21.04 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, it's running. running 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' returns Device or resource busy. VLC doesn't play anything. |
| 23:21.37 | PapaSmurf | crap. I jinxed it. failed: Temporary failure in name resolution |
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| 23:22.08 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, use a gnome enabled piece of software... rhythmbox or whatever you have installed |
| 23:22.10 | Ace2016 | night all |
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| 23:23.48 | plugwash | any idea what would cause a debian system to force me to change the root password when I log in as root at the console claiming the behaviour was "root enforced" and how to disable this behvaiour? |
| 23:24.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, Rhythmbox isn't playing anything. |
| 23:24.12 | PapaSmurf | my goal is to get desktop and office on this baby today. thanks for getting me this far...ok, so I cannot wget. I can ping. apt is not found. apt-get is not found. I have a man entry |
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| 23:24.30 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, did you turn on the sound in gnome ? (I can't remember if debian-gnome has a sound manager) |
| 23:24.54 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, you might want to su before trying apt |
| 23:25.22 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, and if apt-get isn't found, you might want to check why, cuz that's bad |
| 23:25.24 | The_PHP_Jedi | running gnome-volume-manager doesn't do anything... Don't know of anything else. |
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| 23:25.47 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, gnome-volume-manager is a partition manager, not sound |
| 23:25.55 | The_PHP_Jedi | oh |
| 23:25.56 | The_PHP_Jedi | >.< |
| 23:25.59 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, as in, it notices when you plugin a usb dongle |
| 23:26.16 | The_PHP_Jedi | gnome-volume-control works :P |
| 23:26.18 | PapaSmurf | i am root |
| 23:26.54 | PapaSmurf | apt is the next step, eh? |
| 23:27.11 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, nada. Rhythmbox isn't really playing the song at all. I press play and it stays in 0:00 |
| 23:27.56 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, apt-get install mpg123 |
| 23:28.18 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, try to run it with aoss mpg123 file.mp3, or just plain mpg123 file.mp3 |
| 23:28.28 | PapaSmurf | my apt: command not found! |
| 23:28.52 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, apt-get ? |
| 23:28.53 | PapaSmurf | ah, my apt is packed. |
| 23:29.08 | PapaSmurf | whereis i remember to use. |
| 23:29.24 | PapaSmurf | i would guess it is in that .gz? is that a tarball? |
| 23:29.46 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 23:29.47 | PapaSmurf | /usr/share/man/man8/apt.8.gz |
| 23:29.52 | crashanddie | lol |
| 23:29.52 | crashanddie | no |
| 23:29.55 | crashanddie | that's the man page |
| 23:29.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, [../../../src/audio_oss.c:188] error: Can't open default sound device! audio: Device or resource busy |
| 23:30.02 | PapaSmurf | Noven, that looks like the manual for apt, not apt itself... |
| 23:30.18 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, I'm still running esd, in case that has anything to do |
| 23:30.20 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, try apt-get |
| 23:30.36 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, it's been ages ever since I've had to deal with sound issues |
| 23:30.38 | PapaSmurf | I have super cow powers now |
| 23:30.45 | The_PHP_Jedi | PapaSmurf, :D |
| 23:30.55 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, welcome to the land of the moo |
| 23:31.58 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, alright... thanks :-/ |
| 23:32.23 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, I'm really trying to find something here, but I'm tired and phail at thinking straight |
| 23:32.36 | PapaSmurf | whereis names of available packages, super-packages, like desktop and open office? |
| 23:32.38 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, yeah, don't worry. You've helped me tons. :) |
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| 23:33.54 | markybob | PapaSmurf, apt-cache search open office |
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| 23:35.17 | linuxguy | !envy |
| 23:35.37 | abrotman | don't use it |
| 23:36.14 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, aplay -l |
| 23:36.28 | riot | (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" |
| 23:36.28 | riot | (EE) Failed to load module "pcidata" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 23:36.39 | riot | oops, sorry, that should've gone to a pastebin |
| 23:36.45 | riot | but what is it supposed to mean? |
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| 23:36.59 | hudu | is there anyone here who can look at this pastebin and tell me what I'm suposed to 'make'? |
| 23:37.00 | hudu | http://pastebin.com/d5ca97479 |
| 23:37.19 | crashanddie | riot, it means you told it to load a module that doesn't exist |
| 23:37.23 | riot | hudu: try ./configure |
| 23:37.33 | markybob | why are you compiling gtk? |
| 23:37.34 | riot | crashanddie: ah, not in my xorg.conf :/ |
| 23:37.52 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, apt-cache search desktop shows me a long list. do I apt-get each one? I am going off my noob expeirecne during install when it boiled it all down to like 6 choices |
| 23:37.56 | crashanddie | riot, no, the problem is in your xorg.conf |
| 23:38.08 | hudu | thx riot |
| 23:38.10 | riot | crashanddie: there is no mention of pcidata |
| 23:38.33 | markybob | PapaSmurf, tasksel |
| 23:39.19 | riot | crashanddie: but the modules-path nemntioned there, its definitely wrong |
| 23:39.41 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, http://slexy.org/view/s2EGnqzUzy |
| 23:39.48 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, apt-get install openoffice.org |
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| 23:40.33 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 23:40.47 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, head -1 /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 |
| 23:41.55 | hudu | these are the instructions I'm trying to follow ( http://pastebin.com/ddca8b ) ... and now I'm clueless ... (riot I tried the ./configure and then make and I'm still getting 'make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.' |
| 23:42.03 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, http://slexy.org/view/s2YlmA15jA |
| 23:42.11 | markybob | hudu, why are you compiling gtk? |
| 23:42.28 | hudu | I am trying to get GTK+ 2.1 or newer |
| 23:42.30 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, asoundconf list |
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| 23:42.40 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, well, we're making progress. tasksel install shows me two options, the ones during install, when I could not find a mirror. so what should I do to reach out to a mirror and see what they have which then gives tasksel a better list? |
| 23:42.48 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, asoundconf set-default-card name_of_card |
| 23:42.52 | crashanddie | is on fire |
| 23:42.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, I just get 'Names of available sound cards:' and nothing after. |
| 23:43.04 | The_PHP_Jedi | should I likk esd first? |
| 23:43.07 | The_PHP_Jedi | kill* |
| 23:43.43 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, i'm in aptitude now. |
| 23:44.15 | PapaSmurf | why the heck is xchat starting all my sentence with "tane" |
| 23:44.21 | PapaSmurf | nvm |
| 23:44.24 | PapaSmurf | , |
| 23:44.38 | PapaSmurf | needs a beer. too bad its sunday |
| 23:44.54 | RA3OR | The time is: 2:45:04 AM GMT + 2 - Monday - 26/05/2008 in -Bucharest- ROMANIA *EUROPE* |
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| 23:45.03 | RA3OR | it monday |
| 23:45.05 | RA3OR | :( |
| 23:45.10 | adv_ | is the cpu a block or char device? |
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| 23:47.25 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, its because you have some bug in the auto-completion |
| 23:48.04 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, that's what I said earlier... Because you start each sentence with "ok", it fills it up with the closest match to a nickname... There's a guy in here called Oktane, so for us, you've been starting every sentence with "Oktane, ..." |
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| 23:48.21 | hudu | I guess I'm just too out of my knowledge zone to install 'GTK+ 2.10 or newer' ... oh well. I'll check back later (maybe tomorrow) to see if anyone can direct this ignorant newby |
| 23:48.29 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, did you try to set the levels in alsaconf as root ? |
| 23:48.31 | mandrake | hi! |
| 23:48.33 | dendrite | adv_: I'm scratching my head... I don't *think* the CPU proper is a device in the /dev/ sense. |
| 23:48.36 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, and yes, you might want to kill esd |
| 23:48.46 | PapaSmurf | lo! |
| 23:48.59 | PapaSmurf | sorry oktane. wherever u are |
| 23:49.03 | mandrake | Can you help me about this Message on my debian.. :) |
| 23:49.06 | adv_ | dendrite: erm the GPU i meant! |
| 23:49.26 | mandrake | y get this message unable to start X session no session managers, no windows managers |
| 23:49.34 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, yeah, i set the levels in alsaconf as root. Will try in a sec with esd killed. |
| 23:49.42 | abrotman | mandrake: so install a window manager |
| 23:50.10 | mandrake | how? |
| 23:50.39 | mandrake | tell me. i newbie :) |
| 23:51.23 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, esd killed, asoundconf list still returns no available cards. |
| 23:51.33 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, ok |
| 23:51.41 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, you wanna try a wild bet ? |
| 23:51.53 | dendrite | adv_: Similarly, then, the GPU.. If it has any /dev/ type nodes, those would totally depend on the driver, I'd imagine. As the GPU is a processor, it doesn't really make sense to have it as a /dev/ device -- to me at least. |
| 23:51.55 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, after Mars Phoenix Lander lands, sure. |
| 23:51.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | give me 5 minutes |
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| 23:52.03 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, asoundconf set-default-card I82801CAICH3 |
| 23:52.22 | mandrake | abrotman: Tell me how! please! i newbie :P |
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| 23:52.39 | crashanddie | mandrake, please don't clamp onto one person just because they answered |
| 23:52.40 | abrotman | mandrake: which WM do you want ? |
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| 23:52.52 | mandrake | Gnome! |
| 23:52.59 | crashanddie | mandrake, apt-get install gnome |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | mandrake: aptitude install xorg gdm gnome |
| 23:53.06 | scatterp | hi can any one tell me what proxy package i could use or recomend one that i can use to proxychains proxyd |
| 23:53.07 | scatterp | ? |
| 23:53.36 | PapaSmurf | crashanddie, pretend you're talking to an idiot. I'm in aptitude. I arrow down to not installed packages. i press enter. i arrow down to x11. I press g. error: nothing schedled. I swear the menu at the top says g: Download/Install/Remove pakgs |
| 23:53.58 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, I dunno, I've never used aptitude |
| 23:54.06 | mandrake | Ok! thank you |
| 23:54.43 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, you might want to use the command abrotman gave a few seconds ago |
| 23:54.59 | PapaSmurf | Oktane, apt-get install x11 tells me unable to lock the admin directory |
| 23:55.20 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, you either have an instance of apt* running, or you're not root |
| 23:55.32 | adv_ | which entry in /dev is my gpu? |
| 23:55.43 | scatterp | PapaSmurf is it you im talking to on xpw or just some one with your name ? |
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| 23:56.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, what do I run after set-default-card? |
| 23:56.12 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, try aoss mpg123 |
| 23:56.33 | PapaSmurf | crashanddie, i have a bad habit of starting off with ok, so possible task confusion. list of running tasks is found??? |
| 23:56.43 | The_PHP_Jedi | audio: No such device... again :-/ |
| 23:56.46 | PapaSmurf | scatterp, hi, no, I dont remember talking to you |
| 23:56.51 | scatterp | k |
| 23:56.51 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, plain mpg123 ? |
| 23:56.59 | The_PHP_Jedi | plain gets me the help |
| 23:57.11 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, no, I mean like in, mpg123 file.mp3 |
| 23:57.13 | crashanddie | without aoss |
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| 23:58.04 | PapaSmurf | reboot? |
| 23:58.16 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, um... it says it's playing w/out any errors, but I can't hear any outpuit |
| 23:58.17 | crashanddie | PapaSmurf, are you root ? |
| 23:58.32 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, ok, you have a mute problem somewhere, from what I can see, your setup is fine |
| 23:58.46 | The_PHP_Jedi | sighs in relief |
| 23:58.53 | crashanddie | The_PHP_Jedi, it's 2 AM, and I have an exam tomorrow at 8, so I'm calling it a night... Go check #alsa |
| 23:59.02 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, alright. Thanks for all the help :) |
| 23:59.06 | The_PHP_Jedi | I owe you some cookies |
| 23:59.22 | The_PHP_Jedi | crashanddie, g'night. |
| 23:59.24 | crashanddie | we'll just say you owe me a one time kick :P |
| 23:59.28 | The_PHP_Jedi | haha |
| 23:59.42 | crashanddie | night 'bro |
