| 00:00.04 | Demosthenes | so, i'm stumped. how do i prevent a package i require from being removed because it conflicts with another package's dependency? |
| 00:00.13 | _heniu | hi all, i'm trying to migrate imap courier to new server i've tried to use imapsync and it works ok with small accounts but with few very big it fails what can i do ? |
| 00:00.14 | moshii | bitches idiots, types like idiot, shit |
| 00:00.19 | Bushmills | goauld: what would you need numbers on the range of > 4 billion squared for? |
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| 00:00.25 | streuner | demost: put it on hold? |
| 00:00.33 | Bushmills | goauld: are you counting sand grains in the sahara? |
| 00:00.33 | streuner | Demosthenes: ^^^ |
| 00:00.45 | streuner | Demosthenes: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:00.56 | goauld | we must go towards quantum computing, we really need > 64 Billion squared |
| 00:01.06 | pingouin_ | what is the right way to destroy compromised key (openssh) on server and client ? |
| 00:01.08 | JordiGH | Bushmills: All the atoms in the universe are my addressable RAM. |
| 00:01.10 | goauld | so we can download movies faster |
| 00:01.15 | karsten | pingouin_: Generate a new key. |
| 00:01.17 | moshii | pingouin_: disable it |
| 00:01.23 | goauld | lol |
| 00:01.28 | Bushmills | JordiGH: addressable != available |
| 00:01.32 | karsten | pingouin_: Copy it to authorized_keys on any and all remote servers. |
| 00:01.41 | karsten | pingouin_: Remove the compromised key from your local system. |
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| 00:01.46 | abrotman | Demosthenes: which two? |
| 00:01.49 | moshii | pingouin_: the fixed openssl/openssh packages depend on a blacklist anyhow |
| 00:01.49 | lero | |/quit |
| 00:01.51 | streuner | pingouin: check out that you aren't fucked as well... |
| 00:01.56 | karsten | pingouin_: ... and remove any references to it in authorized_keys on the remote systems |
| 00:02.11 | bitweiler | hmmm... |
| 00:02.13 | moshii | Bushmills: indeed, many emt64 machines cant even address 4gb of ram |
| 00:02.17 | Demosthenes | abrotman: lprng vs cups |
| 00:02.23 | karsten | pingouin_: Until it's out of authorized_keys, someone could attempt to brute *that* host with one of the 32,767 or so odd keys. |
| 00:02.25 | streuner | Demosthenes: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 00:02.26 | bitweiler | ! dpkg java |
| 00:02.30 | abrotman | you don't need them both |
| 00:02.34 | abrotman | !tell bitweiler about java |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | !tell bitweiler about msg the bot |
| 00:02.42 | karsten | pingouin_: ... and what streuner said. |
| 00:02.51 | bitweiler | thanks abrotman |
| 00:02.52 | streuner | Demosthenes: read what abrotman told you |
| 00:03.16 | Demosthenes | streuner: i don't see the connection to libc ;] |
| 00:03.18 | pingouin_ | ok thanks |
| 00:03.30 | Demosthenes | streuner: or is that a hint to use hold? ;] |
| 00:03.34 | goauld | we must go towards 3D Displays with 3D graphics, i mean, star wars style |
| 00:03.51 | karsten | goauld: I want a *1D* display. |
| 00:03.51 | pingouin_ | but...how to all off this ? |
| 00:03.53 | streuner | Demosthenes: clever, asking questions that way :-) |
| 00:03.59 | karsten | pingouin_: ? |
| 00:04.04 | pingouin_ | how to do all of this |
| 00:04.08 | dvs | karsten: Here you go --> . |
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| 00:04.11 | karsten | pingouin_: Well, you could script it. |
| 00:04.15 | pingouin_ | i have to rm ~/.ssh/* |
| 00:04.26 | pingouin_ | ? |
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| 00:04.26 | pingouin_ | or what |
| 00:04.26 | karsten | pingouin_: No. |
| 00:04.26 | streuner | Demosthenes: dude, if you going to ask rhetoric questions, be aware that you are welcome to my ignore list |
| 00:04.28 | Bushmills | karsten: get a CRT, remove the line transformer. |
| 00:04.44 | karsten | pingouin_: ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, also any dsa keys |
| 00:04.48 | abrotman | Demosthenes: you can't have them both installed |
| 00:04.50 | karsten | pingouin_: ~/.ssh/authorized keys |
| 00:04.50 | ma3x | how can i make grub automatically detect my ntfs partition and add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst? update-grub won't add it |
| 00:04.59 | Demosthenes | abrotman: only because apt's confused ;] |
| 00:05.10 | abrotman | apt isn't confused .. apt is right |
| 00:05.11 | apt | okay, abrotman |
| 00:05.11 | moshii | ma3x: there is something in the menu.lst I think |
| 00:05.15 | karsten | pingouin_: and ~/.ssh/known_hosts if any host keys are involved. Regen your host keys (this happens automatically on the update FYI). |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | apt: knock it off |
| 00:05.26 | abrotman | apt: forget isn't confused .. apt |
| 00:05.26 | apt | i forgot isn't confused .. apt, abrotman |
| 00:05.30 | karsten | pingouin_: ... host key update only happens on _that_ update. |
| 00:05.34 | _heniu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.34 | ma3x | moshii: I deleted that, how can I have grub add it automatically |
| 00:05.37 | moshii | wait, there's apt aswell now? |
| 00:05.41 | pingouin_ | ok, many thanks karsten |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | moshii: been here longer than dpkg |
| 00:05.47 | karsten | _heniu: How does it fail? |
| 00:05.57 | moshii | didnt notice |
| 00:06.04 | streuner | Demosthenes: what kind of idiot are you? |
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| 00:06.07 | Demosthenes | streuner: i was looking into pinning, but you suggest hold instead ? ;] |
| 00:06.12 | karsten | streuner: Manners. |
| 00:06.12 | Demosthenes | streuner: a multitasking one |
| 00:06.47 | streuner | Demosthenes: we are trying to help and you proove our mistakes? |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | Demosthenes: it's not going to work |
| 00:06.50 | Demosthenes | abrotman: lprng and cups only conflict because the packaging wants to specify a method for printing. |
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| 00:07.09 | abrotman | Demosthenes: okay .. break your packaging system .. have a good day |
| 00:07.14 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i'm using lprng to print to other systems manually, and i understand the app i'm after is configure dto use cups. |
| 00:07.54 | karsten | abrotman: Demosthenes: there's a cups-bsd-lprd type package, forget the exact name. |
| 00:08.05 | moshii | cups can do legacy "lpr" stuffage too can't it? hence the conflict |
| 00:08.15 | karsten | abrotman: Demosthenes: cups-bsd |
| 00:08.20 | abrotman | karsten: i didn't say there wasn't .. but he seems insistent to break it .. |
| 00:08.21 | Demosthenes | yeah, they'll conflict on replacing /usr/bin/lpr |
| 00:08.27 | _heniu | karsten: each time different "folder does not exist"(but it does), "command not executed", "timeouts" ... |
| 00:08.36 | streuner | cupsys-bsd - Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD commands |
| 00:08.38 | karsten | Demosthenes: Um, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:08.46 | Demosthenes | karsten: i wanted to test out gnucash :P |
| 00:09.05 | moshii | Demosthenes: so you replaced your printing system? |
| 00:09.07 | Demosthenes | karsten: yes, i have a legacy environment where i use lprng for printing. no i'm not ripping it out for a testing app nor migrating to cups. |
| 00:09.10 | karsten | _heniu: Is this just transient failures, or do the same accounts fail the same way each time? |
| 00:09.18 | karsten | Demosthenes: Ok, so what's the problem? |
| 00:09.27 | Demosthenes | karsten: installing gnucash wants to remove lprng. |
| 00:09.37 | streuner | so remove it |
| 00:09.43 | karsten | Demosthenes: Sounds like you don't want to install gnucash, then. |
| 00:09.52 | karsten | Demosthenes: Or sort out what specifically the conflict is. |
| 00:09.53 | streuner | or using just CUPS |
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| 00:10.07 | Demosthenes | karsten: and what i'm asking is how to override that logic |
| 00:10.07 | moshii | Why should gnucash conflict with lprng though? |
| 00:10.14 | Demosthenes | moshii: it depends on cups |
| 00:10.17 | Demosthenes | or rather gnome does. |
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| 00:10.25 | streuner | no |
| 00:10.31 | Demosthenes | streuner: i just said that wasn't an option, but thanks ;] |
| 00:10.36 | streuner | GNOME isn't care about printing at all |
| 00:10.40 | moshii | Demosthenes: sure it doesn't depend on a meta package? |
| 00:11.01 | Demosthenes | moshii: it may. i hadn't specifically tracked that down. |
| 00:11.08 | Demosthenes | i've simply noticed lprng & cups conflict |
| 00:11.24 | karsten | Demosthenes: you can divert packages. You can force-override stuff. |
| 00:11.24 | Demosthenes | i'd be fine with tellign apt do not install cups under any circumstances, even if it could break an app |
| 00:11.27 | streuner | Demosthenes: first of all, show us the whole error |
| 00:11.30 | _heniu | karsten: the same account fails each time in different way |
| 00:11.31 | karsten | Demosthenes: There's an APT HOWTO. Read it. |
| 00:11.35 | craigevil | gnucash depends on which in turn depends on libcupsys2 |
| 00:11.36 | karsten | Demosthenes: ... and what streuner said. |
| 00:11.38 | streuner | Demosthenes: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:11.40 | moshii | Demosthenes: you need to track that problem down instead of bodging a solution |
| 00:11.42 | Demosthenes | karsten: there's the key term, divert and force-override. i'll go do some reading. |
| 00:11.46 | karsten | _heniu: How big is the account? Is this some 2GB / 4GB thing? |
| 00:11.58 | karsten | Demosthenes: Show us the error though too. |
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| 00:12.10 | _heniu | karsten: something about 4GB |
| 00:12.14 | karsten | moshii: s/need/really for your own good should/ |
| 00:12.22 | Demosthenes | there's no error. apt is asking if its ok to proceed, and lprng would be removed due to one of the dependencies. |
| 00:12.28 | karsten | _heniu: What sort of mail storage? mbox, maildir, mh? |
| 00:12.38 | Demosthenes | i just read up on apt-pinning and /etc/preferences, but i was looking at the wrong portion of apt customization. |
| 00:12.40 | karsten | _heniu: I'm suspecting a filesize or memory issue. Might try splitting that account. |
| 00:12.49 | moshii | Demosthenes: find out why instead of trying to ram lprng and cups into the same hole |
| 00:12.51 | Demosthenes | i need to look at divert isntead. |
| 00:13.00 | _heniu | karsten: maildir on both servers |
| 00:13.02 | streuner | oh, a pinning freak without no idea about it, great |
| 00:13.08 | Demosthenes | moshii: i think thats redundant. |
| 00:13.12 | Demosthenes | moshii: joe user wants cups |
| 00:13.18 | karsten | _heniu: *that* shouldn't be a problem then. Uses different files for each message. |
| 00:13.25 | craigevil | Demosthenes: try grisbi, homebank, or eqonomize |
| 00:13.27 | moshii | Demosthenes: so, replace lprng then |
| 00:13.27 | Demosthenes | and to install a package and know it'll work, thats apt's job. ;] |
| 00:13.37 | karsten | streuner: _do_ try to be useful. |
| 00:13.38 | _heniu | karsten: can anything go wrong if i simply copy maildir through scp ? |
| 00:13.39 | Demosthenes | craigevil: thats part of it, i need to experiment with a few. |
| 00:13.39 | moshii | Demosthenes: it could be a bug |
| 00:13.54 | karsten | _heniu: Not likely. |
| 00:13.58 | Demosthenes | moshii: no bug. cups is preferred by the desktop linux world. |
| 00:14.02 | moshii | Demosthenes: you should try and find out instead of working around it |
| 00:14.05 | streuner | karsten: well, i can't, we aren't get any infos by now... |
| 00:14.11 | moshii | Demosthenes: so remove lprng then |
| 00:14.16 | Demosthenes | moshii: i'm not joe user ;] |
| 00:14.24 | JordiGH | Is there any limit besides disk space how far directories can be nested in? |
| 00:14.25 | karsten | _heniu: You could also try using something like mutt which supports either two remote IMAP servers, or local + remote, and copy/move the mail from one to the other, which should work right. |
| 00:14.30 | karsten | streuner: Then move on. |
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| 00:14.36 | moshii | Demosthenes: so shut up about joe user then |
| 00:14.39 | Bushmills | chances are - not entriely sure - that the gnucash/lprng conflict is only due to an indirect gnucash recommend. like this: gnucash -> requ libgnomeprint2 -> recommends cupsys |
| 00:14.42 | karsten | moshii: Manners. |
| 00:14.56 | streuner | haha |
| 00:14.59 | moshii | Demosthenes: if you want lprng installed find out why it wont work |
| 00:15.04 | Bushmills | Demosthenes: you're using aptitude to installl? |
| 00:15.28 | moshii | karsten: I have one. |
| 00:15.32 | moshii | karsten: none. |
| 00:15.37 | karsten | Demosthenes: And despite my larting streuner and moshii, yes, you should provide a full failure error message. |
| 00:16.01 | karsten | moshii: aptitude install manners++ |
| 00:16.11 | moshii | is on netbsd |
| 00:16.12 | Ryan52 | How do I make lpr talk to cups? |
| 00:16.31 | themill | Ryan52: ask Demosthenes |
| 00:16.38 | Demosthenes | http://rafb.net/p/Ujx5kC64.html |
| 00:16.40 | streuner | Ryan52: cupsys-bsd |
| 00:16.41 | Bushmills | Ryan52: install cups lpr redirection client |
| 00:16.58 | karsten | Ryan52: You don't. |
| 00:17.00 | Ryan52 | ah. |
| 00:17.02 | karsten | Ryan52: You install cupsys-bsd |
| 00:17.13 | Demosthenes | there is no error, apt is correctly trying to resolve a dependency by removing lprng to replace cups. |
| 00:17.18 | Demosthenes | i insist it must stay |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 00:17.30 | streuner | Demosthenes: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:17.32 | Demosthenes | and yes, in this case, i must insist i'm smarter than apt. |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | wrong |
| 00:17.43 | moshii | Demosthenes: you are a moron |
| 00:17.50 | streuner | moshii: please |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | !info cupsys-bsd etch |
| 00:18.14 | dpkg | cupsys-bsd: (Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD commands), section net, is extra. Version: 1.2.7-4etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 00:18.18 | streuner | it just wanted to install cupsys-bsd in that "error"... |
| 00:18.24 | _heniu | karsten: thanks for help! |
| 00:18.34 | karsten | Demosthenes: Run aptitude interactively, select install of gnucash, search for lprng, select it, and see what it's conflicting with. |
| 00:18.37 | karsten | _heniu: NP. |
| 00:18.39 | moshii | streuner: it cant be that heard to just listen to the advice people are trying to give you?.. |
| 00:18.45 | karsten | _heniu: Working now? |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | !flw53 is <reply><Demosthenes> and yes, in this case, i must insist i'm smarter than apt. |
| 00:18.46 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 00:18.47 | moshii | streuner: s/heard/hard/ |
| 00:19.07 | bitweiler | hey is iceweasel, comes with a java-plugin? |
| 00:19.10 | dvs | flw? |
| 00:19.35 | streuner | bitweiler: install java |
| 00:19.45 | craigevil | apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin |
| 00:19.46 | themill | bitweiler: /msg dpkg install java |
| 00:19.51 | _heniu | karsten: i will check it tomorrow but You give me few options to try |
| 00:19.54 | craigevil | or 5 if your on etch |
| 00:19.56 | themill | craigevil: not on etch you won't |
| 00:20.36 | bitweiler | craigevil: i know that I notice when installing the java plugin it mention iceweasel |
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| 00:21.35 | moshii | bitweiler: iceweasel probably suggests the jre plugin |
| 00:21.54 | karsten | _heniu: OK. SCP should work too in a pinch. Or rsync (more effective at re-trying transfers). |
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| 00:22.44 | Bushmills | moshii: interestingly enough it doesn't |
| 00:24.00 | moshii | Bushmills: mmm, maybe the plugin suggest a browser to use it in then,.. hence he/she seeing iceweasel mentioned |
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| 00:27.20 | Bushmills | moshii: sun-java6-plugin depends on a browser. |
| 00:27.33 | Bushmills | sun-java5-plugin doesn't |
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| 00:29.27 | Demosthenes | karsten: apt-cache shows that cupsys-client conflicts with lprng, and gnucash -> libgnomeprint2.2-0 -> cupsys-client |
| 00:29.36 | Demosthenes | karsten: aptitude -s -Wv install gnucash |
| 00:29.53 | JordiGH | So! Is Java free yet or what? |
| 00:30.01 | themill | Bushmills: it does in etch and lenny |
| 00:30.06 | themill | JordiGH: no |
| 00:30.11 | Bushmills | Demosthenes: had you read what i wrote you had known that 15 min ago already |
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| 00:30.45 | Demosthenes | Bushmills: must have missed it. i'm doing apt-get from cli in another window. |
| 00:30.57 | Demosthenes | and whats with the attitude here today. ;] |
| 00:31.39 | themill | Demosthenes: if you answer people's questions, then they can answer your's more easily. |
| 00:33.00 | Demosthenes | themill: i agree, though i'm trying to stay on topic. |
| 00:33.23 | Bushmills | themill: that dependency must have been dropped then, for whatever reason. |
| 00:33.45 | themill | Demosthenes: asking you which version of libc you have is standard. And you've never answered that question. |
| 00:33.51 | Demosthenes | Bushmills: if i want to let apt resolve the other dependencies. |
| 00:33.57 | Demosthenes | themill: 2.7-10 |
| 00:34.05 | Demosthenes | themill: a quite up to date lenny isntall |
| 00:34.53 | Demosthenes | on gentoo you can specify no dependencies, and resolve them yourself. i suppose i could just grab some .debs and hack away but i figured apt must be smart enough to allow some form of override, i'm quite impressed with it. |
| 00:35.23 | themill | Demosthenes: btw telling us that apt is wrong and that you are smarter is also not the way to get help |
| 00:36.43 | Demosthenes | themill: i'll concede that, thought i was simply trying to explain that in this case, apt is wrong. i can't/won't replace lprng. |
| 00:37.03 | Bushmills | strictly speaking, that's correct. most humans are smarter than apt. |
| 00:37.11 | Demosthenes | Bushmills: thank you, i think ;] |
| 00:37.21 | Bushmills | i said "most" |
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| 00:37.35 | kibibyte | hi |
| 00:37.37 | themill | Demosthenes: apt is (essentially) never wrong. apt plays be a quite well defined set of rules. |
| 00:37.39 | Demosthenes | i thought were i to override, there would be a way to tell apt about it. |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | you can force the dependency .. but your package manager will be very unhappy |
| 00:37.59 | themill | Demosthenes: you need to learn to read too.... the keywords have been mentioned more than one |
| 00:38.00 | Demosthenes | gentoo you could choose a provider for a virtual package. |
| 00:38.07 | kibibyte | how to play some sound or buzzer beep when my laptop battery goes down |
| 00:38.08 | kibibyte | ? |
| 00:38.18 | kibibyte | now it just shut down |
| 00:38.20 | kibibyte | it sucks |
| 00:38.22 | kibibyte | :/ |
| 00:38.25 | Demosthenes | divert seems to work on single files, and i've already been through the apt howto which is where i was looking into pinning. |
| 00:38.47 | kibibyte | i dont when battery is almost expired |
| 00:38.51 | kibibyte | i dontknow |
| 00:39.01 | kibibyte | how to beep |
| 00:39.03 | kibibyte | it |
| 00:39.06 | streuner | Demosthenes: are you care to tell us, which version of libc6 is installed? |
| 00:39.26 | dvs | 2.7-10 |
| 00:39.43 | kibibyte | help |
| 00:39.55 | Demosthenes | streuner: i did that ;] |
| 00:39.57 | streuner | testing, how do you know? |
| 00:40.02 | Demosthenes | streuner: 2.7-10 |
| 00:40.10 | abrotman | why not use cupsys and cupsys-bsd ? |
| 00:40.14 | streuner | ok, forget pinning |
| 00:40.22 | Demosthenes | abrotman: compatibility with existing lprng server. |
| 00:40.31 | Bushmills | kibibyte: some monitors allow you to execute command on triggerpoints. gkrellm for example. (not sure about the battery plugin which i don't use) |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | screw existing lrpng! |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | Demosthenes: have you tried it ? |
| 00:40.43 | streuner | and we told you, just use cupsys-bsd |
| 00:40.46 | Demosthenes | abrotman: and i simply want to test a package. if i wanted to overhaul my printing subsystem, i'd learn cups. |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | Demosthenes: have you tried it ? |
| 00:40.59 | Bushmills | but acpi probably allows that too - that's a guess |
| 00:41.24 | Demosthenes | abrotman: yes i've used cups. i've also done very large lprng installations. what i've been trying to say is that lprng in this case is immutable, please stop asking. |
| 00:41.36 | abrotman | you're ignoring what i'm asking |
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| 00:41.45 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i would be satisfied to get the application installed and _never_ print. |
| 00:42.52 | Demosthenes | abrotman: yes, i'm ignoring the suggestion to try cups. yep, its got better driver support. yep, larger desktop userbase, yep, better integration with gnome and kde apps. |
| 00:43.02 | themill | Demosthenes: you could have installed it in a test vm in this time. Or rebuilt the debian package. |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | that wasn't what i asked |
| 00:43.10 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i bet it even has a gui interface these days in kde ;] |
| 00:43.20 | Demosthenes | themill: yeah, that was my other inclination |
| 00:43.29 | Demosthenes | themill: i've already got 3 other debian vm's whats another :P |
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| 00:43.55 | Bushmills | Demosthenes: i don't tend to repeat things - i make an exception for you... did you notice that libgnomeprint2.2-0 does not *require* but only *recommend* cupsys? |
| 00:44.01 | Demosthenes | themill: i figured it was the right time for me to resolve the correct way to handle this kind of override, before it were to happen somewhere important. |
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| 00:44.27 | Demosthenes | Bushmills: i'm using apt-get, not aptitude, it shouldn't use "recommended" packages, right? |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | Demosthenes: wrong |
| 00:44.41 | themill | !tell Demosthenes about d-d-a |
| 00:44.43 | Bushmills | that sounds like the solution to your problem |
| 00:45.35 | Demosthenes | Bushmills: *ponder* then i have a basic assumption that was wrong. |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | on many levels |
| 00:46.05 | Bushmills | Demosthenes: and an attention deficit |
| 00:46.20 | Demosthenes | i'd been coding puppet and cfengine configs to use apt for a while, and i thought that had been one of the core diffs between apt vs aptitude, was the recommended handling. perhaps it was "suggested" instead. |
| 00:46.36 | themill | notes that perhaps apt was doing exactly what Demosthenes asked for after all... just like it always does |
| 00:46.42 | abrotman | Demosthenes: if you read d-d-a or the changelog ... you'd know that to be wrong |
| 00:46.44 | shellito | has someone tried before awstats.. Im working on it.. and there is a little problem.. it need to read from logs (/var/log/apache2/... ) but those files UID root and GID adm.. so awstats can't read logs.. I want to read them (logs) but I is not right to open logs for everyone.. Ideas? |
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| 00:47.07 | themill | !tell Demosthenes about apt-listchanges |
| 00:47.17 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 00:47.17 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 00:47.40 | streuner | !listvals apt-listchanges |
| 00:47.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apt-listchanges' by value (2): bts ;; apt-listchanges fix. |
| 00:48.03 | ex_pakalolo | está away.. [play the game] [t7DS: pager/on, logging/on] |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | !tell ex_pakalolo about away |
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| 00:48.52 | streuner | it also should be mentioned in <sid faq> |
| 00:49.12 | themill | streuner: indeed... I'll let you do the honours... I'm going to bed. |
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| 00:49.29 | streuner | themill: night |
| 00:49.32 | streuner | too late |
| 00:50.44 | ex_pakalolo | hmm ok |
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| 00:53.49 | biopyte | hifi, folks, very recently i got a weird problem here (testing on a new HP desktop): suddenly the monitor just turns black ... hasta la vista, thats it. cannot change to virtual console. turning off, turning on the computer and everything is fine, for the next 30 or 60 minutes ... then the same thing. does anybody have an idea how to troubleshoot this. could this be a software problem or is it a hardware problem. as long as i cant rule out its |
| 00:53.49 | biopyte | not debian related, i'm still on topic :) |
| 00:54.26 | biopyte | i dont know where this stupid 'hifi' comes from |
| 00:54.44 | biopyte | something weird with xchat |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | is it idle ? |
| 00:55.34 | biopyte | abrotman: how can i recognize that? |
| 00:55.39 | lemma__ | hi! I'm having trouble with xdebconfigurator recognizing my display device while running as a vbox guest. is that a known issue or am I doing something wrong? |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | biopyte: are you actively using the system? |
| 00:56.02 | biopyte | abrotman: its definitly not shutting down. |
| 00:56.31 | Demosthenes | the irony, i had to install dselect :P |
| 00:56.41 | Bushmills | biopyte: some screensaver crashing your video driver? |
| 00:56.45 | biopyte | abrotman: yeah. it always happens while i'm using firefox, but this might be coincidance. |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | Demosthenes: no you didn't |
| 00:57.48 | biopyte | Bushmills: thats an idea ... however it also happens while i'm active, definitly not idling. |
| 00:58.03 | abrotman | biopyte: flash ? |
| 00:58.28 | Demosthenes | abrotman: i'd love to know what i'm missing. |
| 00:58.40 | abrotman | reading the man page apparently |
| 00:59.18 | Demosthenes | abrotman: of which tool? apt, aptitude, dselect, etc? |
| 00:59.25 | biopyte | abrotman: yes, i'm surfing on a site that uses flash. what are you thinking of? deactivate flash? |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | Demosthenes: read them all ? :) |
| 00:59.49 | Bushmills | biopyte: try, while you test, another browser for some time. like, epiphany, kazekahase, links2 or such |
| 00:59.57 | abrotman | biopyte: possibly |
| 01:00.06 | biopyte | biopyte: actually this site has the tendency to freeze the firefox. |
| 01:00.09 | Bushmills | biopyte: so you can get an idea whether you need to pin it down to firefox |
| 01:00.35 | Demosthenes | abrotman: assume i have and missed the key paragraph. |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | read it again ? :) |
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| 01:02.08 | biopyte | abrotman, Bushmills: ok. thanks. at least a point to start from. So that means, that flash content can 'kill' your session. you experienced that before? |
| 01:02.09 | Bushmills | biopyte: if those are fine, try to disable extenstions and plugins in firefox |
| 01:02.30 | Bushmills | flash has a notoriously bad name |
| 01:02.40 | louieb39 | Anyone know what drivers to compile for an asus m2n-vm (nforce 750a)? |
| 01:02.42 | biopyte | Bushmills: ok, i see. |
| 01:03.06 | Bushmills | then try a binary search on extenstions and plugins |
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| 01:03.20 | Bushmills | extensions |
| 01:03.48 | biopyte | Bushmills: when i think about it, its maybe always the same web site that causes the crash. |
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| 01:04.25 | Demosthenes | abrotman: this really makes me worry what puppet passes to apt when it asks for a package, whether it honors a remove ;] |
| 01:04.58 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:05.05 | louieb39 | : Anyone know what drivers to compile for an asus m2n-vm (nforce 750a)? 4.0r3 cant detect anything, not even my nic |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | Demosthenes: that doesn't make sense .. but okay |
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| 01:05.17 | abrotman | !tell louieb39 about etchnhalf |
| 01:05.38 | streuner | Bushmills: still working? |
| 01:05.56 | Bushmills | biopyte: iceweasel --ProfileManager gives you new profile dialog. create a new one, try whether that one works better |
| 01:06.13 | Bushmills | streuner: no. but should do so relatively soon again |
| 01:06.19 | Bushmills | anyone got a job? |
| 01:06.26 | Bushmills | for me, i mean, hehe |
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| 01:06.29 | louieb39 | etchnhalf...? kernel headers? |
| 01:06.39 | AcTiVaTe | How vulnerable is a Sarge install at the moment? Let's just say a standard Web Host setup. |
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| 01:06.51 | streuner | Bushmills: ever tried debian jobs (ML)? |
| 01:06.54 | biopyte | Bushmills: you are right. i'm using iceweasel and firefox. |
| 01:07.04 | biopyte | *not* firefox |
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| 01:07.28 | Bushmills | streuner: actually, need to look for a .. compensated .. job. |
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| 01:07.35 | streuner | Bushmills: where do you live? |
| 01:07.41 | Bushmills | anywhere. |
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| 01:07.50 | Bushmills | been here and there. |
| 01:07.51 | streuner | dunno about anywhere |
| 01:07.55 | ktkd | hi all |
| 01:07.59 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: if you have a choice .. don't |
| 01:08.00 | Demosthenes | abrotman: you don't use puppet? |
| 01:08.01 | Bushmills | currently i ireland. but soon on the move again |
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| 01:08.18 | abrotman | Demosthenes: your entire phrase didn't make sense |
| 01:08.20 | AcTiVaTe | abrotman: So if I had a choice to upgrade to Etch? Do it in a heartbeat? |
| 01:08.33 | Bushmills | though usa wouldn't really be the place i'd be looking for |
| 01:08.34 | streuner | Bushmills: .ie has a lot of job, the situation is better like .de |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: unless the system is very critcal .. |
| 01:08.57 | AcTiVaTe | abrotman: The system is very hacked atm lol |
| 01:09.15 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: up to you |
| 01:09.18 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | @tracker of doom |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:09.28 | Bushmills | streuner: true. unemployment is low here. but .. i want to move on. that holds me back a bit to take a job here |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/ |
| 01:09.44 | louieb39 | how do I use etchnhalf before debian is even installed? |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: or try debsecan .. i think is the package installed |
| 01:09.58 | abrotman | louieb39: follow the link for the installer |
| 01:10.03 | streuner | Bushmills: someone told me, .nz shouldn't be bad |
| 01:10.06 | Bushmills | streuner: once i'm under contract here again, it ill be ireland for another one or more years |
| 01:10.10 | abrotman | @etchnhalf |
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| 01:10.14 | abrotman | ravenbird: etchnhalf |
| 01:10.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:10.31 | Bushmills | streuner: i am .au / .nz oriented atm |
| 01:10.39 | Bushmills | (my gf is aussie) |
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| 01:10.43 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 01:10.48 | streuner | and you are german? |
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| 01:11.06 | Bushmills | yes. but left germany when cdu came to power |
| 01:11.32 | louieb39 | abrotman does this mean I have to redownload and reburn? |
| 01:11.41 | Bushmills | by sheer coincidence, returned for a while when they term ended |
| 01:11.46 | streuner | Bushmill:neo-liberalism is nowadays everywhere... |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | louieb39: well ... since your current system has no network ... |
| 01:11.59 | Bushmills | so i missed most of the kohl era |
| 01:12.16 | streuner | that's a long time ago |
| 01:12.17 | Bushmills | been to france, and the netherlands then |
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| 01:12.23 | louieb39 | abrotman: is it just a kernel that I can put on a flash? |
| 01:12.34 | streuner | damn, you are a world-travler then |
| 01:12.42 | Bushmills | just western europe |
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| 01:12.55 | abrotman | louieb39: that's part of it ... but yes you could .. assuming it doesn't have any deps not currently in etch |
| 01:13.03 | biopyte | Bushmills, abrotman: just googled 'flash, iceweasel, crash'. obviously i'm not the first one, with this problem. afterwards, i think 'flash' is a good guess. thanks for your help. |
| 01:13.20 | abrotman | biopyte: 1,42,43,24,,2w3,4, hits ? |
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| 01:13.56 | louieb39 | abrotman: well I downloaded the entire dvd. I would assume it has most I need. any idea where I can find what my dvd lacks and it has? |
| 01:14.11 | Bushmills | streuner: where about in .de are you? |
| 01:14.19 | abrotman | louieb39: moment |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
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| 01:14.56 | streuner | Bushmills: http://groups.google.de/groups/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%2Fdev%2Ffma&qt_s=Search |
| 01:15.15 | biopyte | abrotman: Bug#461845 |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | among others |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | ~dbugs 461845 |
| 01:15.53 | streuner | Bushmills: http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pirmasens&ie=UTF8&ll=49.24719,7.604599&spn=0.136713,0.436707&z=11 |
| 01:16.17 | louieb39 | abrotman: do you think I can get the net boot file, serve it and then boot pxe - then use my normal install disk once it sees the hardware? |
| 01:16.37 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 01:17.33 | louieb39 | abrotman: thank you very much for your help |
| 01:18.27 | abrotman | louieb39: it looks like you can just grab the linux-image for your CPU from http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch-proposed-updates/ and put it on a USB key .. and install it from that .. AFAICT anyways |
| 01:18.55 | kylehjin | I have Debian on on parition and 50GB of free unpartitioned space that I want to install Windows XP onto. I know this will wipe my MBR so grub will go away. Can I get grub back on configured properly without reinstalling Debian? |
| 01:19.07 | Bushmills | streuner: ah, schlabbeflicker |
| 01:19.21 | Demosthenes | abrotman: the key was that i was concerned what parameters puppet uses when it triggers a package install... that could inadvertantly cause a remove |
| 01:19.27 | streuner | Bushmills: well, debian jobs (ML) or debian-isp (ML) is good place to ask for, keep in mind they cannot be uncool ;-) |
| 01:19.43 | streuner | Bushmills: yes, from which area are you? |
| 01:19.48 | Bushmills | mainz |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | Demosthenes: no, i don't use puppet .. and i have no idea how it interacts with apt and friends |
| 01:20.01 | streuner | Ach du gruenes Ei |
| 01:20.07 | Bushmills | :D |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | <dpkg> So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
| 01:20.09 | Demosthenes | abrotman: its worth the time to learn |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | Demosthenes: depending on your needs |
| 01:20.50 | abrotman | wonders why dpkg quit here .. but not oftc |
| 01:20.51 | louieb39 | abrotman: thank you again. Ill let you know how it goes |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | smells favoritism! |
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| 01:21.58 | abrotman | louieb39: as an FYI . you may want to get the metapackages also |
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| 01:23.31 | abrotman | dpkg: wb! |
| 01:23.32 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
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| 01:23.57 | louieb39 | abrotman: what will those packages be for and where can I get them? |
| 01:24.16 | abrotman | louieb39: same place .. they'll be like linux-image-2.6-686 .. or whatever your CPU is |
| 01:24.24 | abrotman | louieb39: but you could also get them after you get your network working |
| 01:24.36 | Bushmills | streuner: region of my last stay in .de: http://photo.forthfreak.net/places/germany/bavaria/tn/1.jpg.html |
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| 01:36.52 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:36.52 | dpkg | <toggle> by the way I don't have man installed.. |
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| 01:38.35 | asg | having man installed sounds like a Dave2 thing |
| 01:38.42 | Dave2 | :o |
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| 01:46.30 | Goone | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.32 | Goone | HI BITCHES |
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| 01:46.34 | Goone | LOLZ |
| 01:46.41 | Goone | YOU ARE CUNTS |
| 01:46.49 | Goone | EPOXY SUCKS |
| 01:46.52 | Goone | BITCH |
| 01:47.08 | Goone | LOLZZZZLOOOLLLZZZZ |
| 01:47.12 | Goone | LINUX SUCKS |
| 01:47.15 | Goone | DEBIAN SUCKS |
| 01:47.18 | Goone | YOU WHORES |
| 01:47.19 | Bushmills | poor one. |
| 01:47.23 | Goone | DIE |
| 01:47.29 | lostson | ? |
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| 01:47.38 | louieb39 | wow someone needs a life |
| 01:47.46 | Goone | FUFUFUFUFUFUFUFUFU |
| 01:47.49 | Goone | I'M SAD |
| 01:47.55 | Goone | BECAUSE MY MOM IS DEAD |
| 01:48.03 | Goone | SO I FUCK YOU |
| 01:48.07 | Goone | RAPING DILDO YOU CAT |
| 01:48.12 | battlemidget | wtf? |
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| 01:48.20 | asg | battlemidget: morons |
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| 01:48.31 | lostson | lol |
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| 01:49.16 | louieb39 | thank you - that was very efficient |
| 01:49.19 | hardbop200 | hey all - just upgraded to sid from etch, and x won't start (complains of /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc unrecognized option). is this a known issue? |
| 01:49.26 | martman | is there a meta package for something like source force/google code? id like to have my own mini project server |
| 01:49.35 | asg | hardbop200: /msg dpkg sid faq ; /msg dpkg bts |
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| 01:50.44 | battlemidget | martman: use trac? |
| 01:50.56 | martman | hmmm |
| 01:50.58 | Bushmills | hardbop200: many wouldn't call that "upgrade" but "harmgrade" |
| 01:50.59 | martman | have to look into that |
| 01:51.30 | battlemidget | martman: it doesn't contain all the features of sf or google code, but provides the components for code repo, issue tracking etc |
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| 01:51.40 | battlemidget | wiki's, and what not |
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| 01:52.01 | hardbop200 | Bushmills: indeed. :) unfortunately, the latest jack server, which I need, is in sid, thus the reason for the upgrade. |
| 01:52.12 | Bushmills | !need |
| 01:52.13 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 01:52.22 | hardbop200 | this is also my testing box, so it's okay if it breaks. |
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| 01:52.56 | Bushmills | hardbop200: ok. it broke. |
| 01:53.10 | SexyKen | 0 |
| 01:53.22 | hardbop200 | yup, indeed. thank you for the pointers to the faq and other doc, I appreciate it. reading it now. |
| 01:54.08 | martman | battlemidget thanks |
| 01:54.22 | Bushmills | hardbop200: compiling from latest sources wasn't an option? |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | louieb39: all fixed up? |
| 01:55.40 | hardbop200 | well, yes it was, however pretty much every major audio app depends on it. I researched the problem for weeks...pinning didn't work, mixing versions wasn't "clean", etc...lots of problems doing that. the only option that seemed viable was using equivs to create a dummy pkg, or harmgrading to sid :) |
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| 01:56.45 | louieb39 | decided to download both the dvd and the netinst - Ill have to figure out how to use PXE - never really did it before so Ill have to wait another 9 min for the netinst to finish before i can try pxe in a VM |
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| 01:57.17 | Bushmills | hardbop200: well, it's a free world, in parts. and the debian license doesn't expressly forbid to use sid. |
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| 01:58.00 | hardbop200 | true. I should have done more research b/4 wasting your time in here. |
| 01:58.10 | louieb39 | I was very concerned when my nic wasnt detected...and then sata! I have used many ubuntu based distros and never had that problem, was so surprised to see the top of the branch to have such an issue. does debian also use a 6 month release cycle? |
| 01:58.18 | extor | pxe in a VM..that sounds intriguing for when I am bored next |
| 01:59.00 | louieb39 | yeah both virtualbox and vmware allow you to use most options your bios have... |
| 01:59.02 | battlemidget | extor: lemme know if you get it working |
| 01:59.12 | battlemidget | well im only concerned with kvm |
| 01:59.26 | battlemidget | i cant get pxe working with kvm : ( |
| 01:59.28 | extor | I'm sure it's going to be easy to get it going, what are you worried about? |
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| 01:59.51 | extor | oh kvm...PXE has to be over a LAN that does not filter layer2 |
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| 02:02.34 | louieb39 | never used pxe before, I wonder if I have to make a DHCP server or if my router will suffice |
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| 02:03.11 | Bushmills | louieb39: you also need a tftp server. and a boot image which is prepared for pxe |
| 02:03.52 | Bushmills | louieb39: a pxe boot loader which loads a non-pxe specific boot image is the common setup for this |
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| 02:05.16 | louieb39 | would the debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso suffice? |
| 02:05.25 | hardbop200 | Bushmills: so at this point, what would you do? reinstall and go to testing, or attempt a downgrade from sid to testing? |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | louieb39: did you try the etchnhalf ?> |
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| 02:05.53 | Bushmills | hardbop200: i'd fix the X config and use sid |
| 02:06.18 | hardbop200 | thank you for your help! gnite |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:06.35 | louieb39 | this iso is etchhalf - just the net install version if I red it right |
| 02:06.40 | louieb39 | read |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:07.17 | Wyzard | louieb39: You'll need to set up a custom DHCP server because you need it to include a certain option in the DHCP lease (the address of the TFTP server and the name of the boot file located there) and you almost certainly can't configure the router's DHCP server to do that |
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| 02:08.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: try again |
| 02:08.40 | Wyzard | louieb39: You'll need to set up a custom DHCP server because you need it to include a certain option in the DHCP lease (the address of the TFTP server and the name of the boot file located there) and you almost certainly can't configure the router's DHCP server to do that |
| 02:08.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: thanks :-) |
| 02:09.46 | louieb39 | hmn well this will be an interesting project for me - especially since my server is running windows |
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| 02:15.22 | iateadonu1 | basically, if you want to use the mssql commands from the php command line, you must recompile php and recompile it each time you upgrade your system? |
| 02:15.45 | iateadonu1 | but odbc will be updated automatically, because debian does not accept any non-free code into the distro? |
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| 02:16.38 | chengjianfeng | help |
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| 02:17.00 | abrotman | iateadonu1: not at all |
| 02:17.15 | abrotman | !tell chengjianfeng about ask |
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| 02:18.18 | iateadonu1 | not at all, what? |
| 02:18.34 | iateadonu1 | not at all i don't have to recompile php to use the mssql commands in php? |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | iateadonu1: why would you think that? |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | !info php5-sybase etch |
| 02:18.46 | dpkg | php5-sybase: (Sybase / MS SQL Server module for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch10 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 02:19.07 | Bushmills | chengjianfeng: second turn to the left, then straight on. |
| 02:19.08 | chengjianfeng | how dev Plugins for xfce ? |
| 02:19.29 | iateadonu1 | alright. i'm on the right track then... i thought i would only be able to use odbc commands in php, then. |
| 02:19.29 | iateadonu1 | thanks. |
| 02:19.30 | chengjianfeng | i use c or python |
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| 02:19.43 | abrotman | iateadonu1: fair warning .. i've only used it against SQL2k |
| 02:19.46 | iateadonu1 | (hours of reading on this one, and very confused) |
| 02:19.52 | iateadonu1 | ok. thanks. |
| 02:20.00 | aravind | hi, does anyone else have a broken X with the latest xinit upgrade in sid? |
| 02:20.06 | Bushmills | chengjianfeng: /j #xfce |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | aravind: bugs.debian.org |
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| 02:21.32 | Bushmills | aravind: yes, hardbop200 has |
| 02:22.04 | louieb39 | thanks a lot guys for the help - its too late to work on this tonight - shall be in tomorrow to let you know how it goes |
| 02:22.05 | abrotman | Bushmills: why did you tell him to use sid ? |
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| 02:22.20 | Bushmills | abrotman: ?? i didn't |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | kind of looked that way .. whatever |
| 02:23.10 | aravind | Bushmills: any fixes other than revert? |
| 02:23.14 | Bushmills | i think what you read is, he (after he had installed sid) asked me what i'd do. to which i replied "fix the config and use sid" |
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| 02:24.01 | Bushmills | aravind: it just complains about an illegal parameter in the config. locate it and remove or fix it. |
| 02:24.27 | Bushmills | aravind: that's what you're using sid for, i suppose |
| 02:24.47 | aravind | Bushmills: yeah, I have been looking at it, not particularly clear whats the busted parameter. |
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| 02:25.24 | aravind | Bushmills: but thanks for the info though, was wondering if it was just me or others too.. |
| 02:25.27 | Bushmills | aravind: i'm not going to upgrade for no other reason then to tell you what the error is |
| 02:25.34 | Bushmills | than |
| 02:26.19 | aravind | Bushmills: nope, don't have to.. if no one else has a fix, I can dig into it somemore. |
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| 02:27.34 | Bushmills | aravind: binary search can help. comment out all unneeded things. enable half of them, then another quarter - or disable half of the half successively you arrive at the culprit/ |
| 02:28.33 | aravind | hehe, yeah.. the entire config file its complaining about is 3 lines.. |
| 02:28.51 | aravind | so visual inspection works just as well :) |
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| 02:29.56 | aravind | starting stuff with xinit directly seems to be working still, its something to do with startx, thats busted. /me goes back to read the man page |
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| 02:32.17 | iateadonu1 | i have apache, cgi, and cli in my /etc/php5/ - what's the point of cgi if there's already apache? |
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| 02:32.45 | Bushmills | iateadonu1: what would be the point of cgi without apache? |
| 02:33.50 | iateadonu1 | thanks. |
| 02:33.59 | iissmart | How can I have a mail check for the user when they ssh in, which would appear right under the MOTD, saying something like "No mail" or "New mail for <username>"? |
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| 02:37.44 | trentster | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | iissmart: debtags search mail::notification |
| 02:38.07 | iateadonu1 | CONNECTED! |
| 02:38.13 | iateadonu1 | and it only took three hours. |
| 02:38.32 | iateadonu1 | (the entire process took about 5 minutes of productive time, but about three hours of searching) |
| 02:38.59 | abrotman | iateadonu1: you mean 30 seconds of me telling you ? |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:39.47 | iateadonu1 | yes, i guess i should've came to the chat room first, but that's often frowned upon. |
| 02:40.02 | Bushmills | iateadonu1: re cgi/apache: try this with apache only, not using cgi: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/scan.cgi |
| 02:40.08 | abrotman | iateadonu1: or apt-cache search php mssql |
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| 02:40.54 | trentster | Hey all, I just wanted to ask some advice about the openssl vulnerability: If I generated all keys to use passwords, does this mean we are safe from a brute force attack against vulnerable keys if they use passwords? secondly if those encrypted streams are recorded, can the contents be decrypted regardless of weather we use passwords with our keys? |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | i believe the answer is no |
| 02:41.13 | iateadonu1 | all i get with that is: php-db - PHP PEAR Database Abstraction Layer (searching php mssql) |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | iateadonu1: on etch ? |
| 02:41.58 | iateadonu1 | yes, sir. |
| 02:42.28 | abrotman | on lenny the php5-sybase shows up .. oh well |
| 02:42.36 | iateadonu1 | ah. |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | i guess it's easier when you remember that mssql was originally derived from sybase |
| 02:43.00 | iateadonu1 | i'm on my work computer. |
| 02:43.09 | iateadonu1 | (so i can't risk instability) |
| 02:43.14 | iateadonu1 | right. |
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| 02:43.24 | Wyzard | trentster: no to the first question |
| 02:43.32 | iissmart | abrotman, everything seems to require X though |
| 02:43.33 | iateadonu1 | but i just learned that a second ago. |
| 02:43.38 | iissmart | this is a server installation, no X |
| 02:43.41 | abrotman | iissmart: i know biff doesn't |
| 02:43.45 | iissmart | nothing mentions ssh either |
| 02:44.00 | Wyzard | trentster: The password is used to encrypt the private key in the file where it's stored on your hard drive, in case someone obtains a copy of your ~/.ssh/id_rsa or ~/.ssh/id_dsa file |
| 02:44.19 | Wyzard | trentster: If the key is weak, the attacker can figure it out directly, and has no need to steal and decrypt your keyfile |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | iissmart: you're talking about console |
| 02:44.45 | trentster | Wyzard: ok thanks makes sense. |
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| 02:45.06 | Bushmills | iateadonu1: sorry doesn't work for you. your whole net is blocked on that machine. is one of the intense link spam originators. |
| 02:45.13 | iissmart | abrotman, I will be using a terminal to ssh into my server...upon logging in, it should spit out the MOTD, then do the mail check |
| 02:45.41 | trentster | Wyzard: so basically that password is to stop someone using your key if your computer is stolen, or to make sure the correct user usees the key on the computer |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | i think that used to be in the elm package |
| 02:46.02 | Wyzard | trentster: correct |
| 02:46.10 | iateadonu1 | i'm trying through a proxy now. |
| 02:46.32 | Bushmills | 60.208.0.0/13 # 20080510,1144 china is DROP there |
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| 02:46.38 | abrotman | iissmart: you're going to have to look at a few .. and also consider putting somethin in the system wide profile |
| 02:46.42 | trentster | Wyzard: is the same true for openvpn connections with passwords? |
| 02:46.46 | iateadonu1 | yeah. |
| 02:46.58 | iateadonu1 | so what would happen if i were allowed to access? |
| 02:46.59 | iissmart | abrotman, where's the system wide profile? |
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| 02:47.05 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 02:47.19 | Bushmills | it would tell your browser, your proxy, your ip behind the proxy, and scan you |
| 02:47.42 | Bushmills | something you can't do with static html only |
| 02:49.00 | iateadonu1 | debian by default is pretty vulnerable? should anyone who will keep debian for years and years and years (started on debian in oct - i think i will keep it forever) go through the hardening section of the debian manual? |
| 02:49.19 | V4Nelle | guys have anybody install ati on lenny?the aticonfig --initial show me errors because of default xorg.conf.... |
| 02:49.39 | Wyzard | trentster: If you mean OpenVPN in server mode using TLS certificates, the certificates' private-key passwords work the same way |
| 02:50.26 | Bushmills | iateadonu1: depends how exposed your machine us |
| 02:50.27 | Bushmills | is |
| 02:50.37 | trentster | Damn.....I have a lot of work ahead of me. |
| 02:50.50 | Wyzard | trentster: If you're not using certificates, just passwords, I think that just does DH key exchange, and I'm not sure whether that's affected by the weak RNG |
| 02:50.58 | phogg | I try to be charitable, really I do. But why do other distribution's package managers have to suck so much? |
| 02:51.31 | abrotman | wonders how that is being charitable |
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| 02:51.58 | bitweiler | aftering apt-get installing libflash-mozplugin and mozilla-mplayer restarting firefox neither seems to work with firefox am I missing something |
| 02:52.43 | phogg | abrotman: it isn't. I just said I try, not that I succeed |
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| 02:53.37 | bitweiler | sorry the mplayer plugin works but not the libflash-mozplugin |
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| 02:57.19 | Bushmills | hm .. is there any case when it makes sense when a package suggests and conflicts with another package at the same time? |
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| 03:00.32 | V4Nelle | guys can i use the xorg.conf of etch on lenny?because i saw some diffirents on lenny..... |
| 03:01.07 | Bushmills | V4Nelle: likely. but probably not the other way around |
| 03:01.51 | V4Nelle | Bushmills: i tell that because aticonfig can use the lenny xorg.conf! |
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| 03:02.38 | V4Nelle | can't i mean * |
| 03:04.21 | Bushmills | well, keep a copy and just try. beats guessing. even beats asking. |
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| 03:33.49 | extor | If I have a script persistent in memory, then if I change the source by messing with a heredoc...the changes should not take effect unless I restart apache, right? |
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| 03:36.22 | vorpal | one more reason to use aptitude! |
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| 03:37.01 | gpm | oh nerdy linux jokes |
| 03:37.42 | vorpal | gpm, indeed ;-) |
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| 03:41.33 | vorpal | doh! |
| 03:41.47 | vorpal | ;-) |
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| 03:42.39 | gpm | !kill vorpal |
| 03:42.39 | dpkg | chops vorpal's head off with a whip |
| 03:42.44 | gpm | oh he's gone |
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| 03:43.16 | Bushmills | extor: no, not quite. |
| 03:43.28 | TheBonsai | i want to pin my daily DSL reconnect to a specific time. for that, i put a cronjob, that executes poff -r. the ppp daemon isn't interested it seems. how to track that down? |
| 03:43.47 | ktkd | god morning all :D |
| 03:43.58 | gpm | god morning, oh lord! |
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| 03:44.12 | extor | Bushmills have you used speedyCGI or fastCGI? |
| 03:44.15 | keila | what do i need to enable digest auth in apache2 under etch? |
| 03:44.18 | ktkd | ohh, yeaa |
| 03:44.22 | Bushmills | extor: it seems scripts files are openend, then closed again between lines. inserting lines into scripts cause executing to read from a wrong offset |
| 03:44.25 | extor | I expected the changes to NOT take effect until apache was restarted |
| 03:45.04 | Bushmills | extor: yes, speedycgi. but not modified cgi scripts in this environment. |
| 03:45.04 | n3kl | I just got a logitech keyboard and I am trying to get some of the multimedia keys to work. xmodmap does not seem to be wokring. I have gotten all teh keycodes and assigned them in ~/.Xmodmap but when I do xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap, it does not seem to import the keys. |
| 03:45.14 | Bushmills | extor: my comment related to unbuffered shell execution |
| 03:46.03 | Bushmills | extor: to be on the safe side, you could source the part you modify. |
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| 03:47.04 | n3kl | also setxkbmap -model logiclx300 -layout us seems to work pretty well, but I want to know what the command does, and make it work manually. |
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| 03:51.00 | extor | source the part I modify? |
| 03:53.41 | Bushmills | extor: well, using heredoc you probably just append, so you don't run the danger to change file index of the current script execution position. to source, as in modify a seperate file, not the running script. execute that seperate file when its time comes with the source command. |
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| 03:54.35 | extor | I am running something called SpeedyCGI and when I was running mod_perl, after a script edit I had to restart apache. But here I dont seem to need to restart it which makes me doubt if the script is really persistent as it promises :( |
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| 03:56.28 | Bushmills | well, the perl interpreter is kept running. |
| 03:57.01 | Bushmills | speedycgi makes reloading perl unnecessary. but the perl script should still finish, once its run through |
| 03:58.09 | \amethyst | extor: perhaps SpeedyCGI notices when the executable has changed? |
| 03:58.21 | Bushmills | probably still cache in ram, but upon next request, being executed from the begin again. but by the perl interpreter, kept in mem by speedycgi |
| 03:58.31 | extor | amethyst you are being extremely optimistic |
| 04:00.58 | Bushmills | extor: i think the answer lies in getting to know whether speedycgi implements its own script caching, or relies on the kernel to keep loaded files cached. i believe it leaves it up to the kernel. |
| 04:01.02 | martman | anyone know any alternatives to trac and gforge? im looking for something quick adn easy thats in apt |
| 04:01.06 | martman | for mini project hsoting server |
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| 04:01.23 | Bushmills | therefore, changes to the files should be visible to speedycgi |
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| 04:02.08 | \amethyst | extor: inspecting the source shows a speedy_script_changed function that looks at the mtime, ino, and dev of the script file |
| 04:02.11 | scoopede | how is the easiest way to make live cd from debian? |
| 04:02.36 | \amethyst | extor: in speedy_script.c |
| 04:02.47 | extor | amethyst you are looking at speedy's source? |
| 04:02.53 | \amethyst | extor: yes |
| 04:02.59 | n3kl | What is the best tool to get multimedia keys working? |
| 04:03.02 | \amethyst | extor: CGI-SpeedyCGI-2.22 |
| 04:03.13 | martman | scoopede a friend of mine used remastersys before and seemed to like it |
| 04:03.27 | scoopede | ok |
| 04:04.00 | extor | amethyst what is disturbing to me is that I put a little "test" in the script which displays a "yes I am running speedy" and I also replaced #!/bin/perl with #!/bin/speedy yet...somehow it still did not become persistent:| |
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| 04:04.38 | \amethyst | extor: what isn't persisting? |
| 04:04.41 | \amethyst | extor: globals? |
| 04:05.03 | extor | amethist the changes I made to the source, inside heredocs and outside heredocs are not persisting |
| 04:05.16 | extor | I was under the impression that the entire script would be opcoded and persistent |
| 04:05.27 | extor | It's like, speedy is some kinda scam? :( |
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| 04:07.45 | \amethyst | extor: if you want to test whether it's really persistent: have the program append to a global list, then print the list |
| 04:07.53 | \amethyst | extor: then run it multiple times |
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| 04:09.00 | extor | append to a global list? I don't understand. |
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| 04:09.53 | extor | If I change the source it should NOT reflect the changed source if it is persistent...so it failed that test |
| 04:10.14 | extor | unless it has some sort of "intelligence" which does a checksum of the script just to make sure it is the exact same script? |
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| 04:10.34 | extor | And if the checksum changes...it reloads it |
| 04:10.41 | extor | But I am just making wild guesses here |
| 04:10.54 | \amethyst | extor: Or even just looking at the date |
| 04:11.08 | extor | the date? |
| 04:11.12 | \amethyst | extor: it has a function to look at the date of the script file, but I can't tell whether that's actually used |
| 04:11.17 | extor | hrmm...oh yeah I could make it print out the date/time |
| 04:11.18 | \amethyst | extor: the mtime of the script file |
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| 04:11.24 | dcestari | hello all |
| 04:11.33 | extor | Oh |
| 04:11.46 | extor | Gosh I wish speedy had better documentation and support |
| 04:11.54 | \amethyst | yeah, the docs seem to suck |
| 04:12.45 | dcestari | I'm having some packages ending in dfsg that aptitude wants to downgrade to some others ending in lenny, why is this? |
| 04:12.55 | extor | but speedy is a lot easier to set up than fastcgi, that is for sure |
| 04:13.14 | \amethyst | dcestari: what are the version numbers exactly? |
| 04:13.33 | \amethyst | extor: I'm not convinced by the documentation that speedy doesn't reparse the script each time |
| 04:13.47 | dcestari | \amethyst: here is one "mono-runtime [1.9.1+dfsg-1 (testing, now) -> 1.2.5.1-1+lenny1 (testing)]" |
| 04:14.11 | extor | amethyst isn't the whole meaning of persistence that it doesn't need to keep parsing it over and over again? Just like mod_perl? |
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| 04:15.07 | \amethyst | dcestari: possibly you're trying to install another package that depends on an old version of mono? |
| 04:15.34 | Bushmills | extor: "instead of exiting, the perl interpreter is kept running. During subsequent runs, this interpreter is used to handle new executions instead of starting a new perl interpreter each time." |
| 04:15.59 | \amethyst | extor: you can still save some time by reusing the interpreter... but yeah, it seems silly to do that and not to store the optree |
| 04:16.04 | \amethyst | s/store/save/ |
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| 04:16.20 | Bushmills | doesn't really suggest that it keeps the scripts running somehow. just doesn't require reloading and reinitialzizing the perl interpreter |
| 04:16.54 | \amethyst | Bushmills: the question is whether it recompiles the script each time it runs |
| 04:16.58 | extor | amethyst I am going to try to use speedy with nginx and lighty and then try and get fastcgi going to compare. This is way too much of an annoying mystery to just forget about. |
| 04:17.04 | dcestari | \amethyst: it might be the case, I'm trying to install mono-devel |
| 04:17.37 | \amethyst | dcestari: oh, that's old |
| 04:17.48 | dcestari | \amethyst: how do I compile mono then? |
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| 04:18.22 | dcestari | \amethyst: how do I compile mono .net programs I mean. |
| 04:18.29 | extor | dcestari some distros have mono precompiled and packaged up |
| 04:18.37 | \amethyst | dcestari: mono-devel is just a metapackage anyway... mono-gmcsis the C# compiler |
| 04:18.44 | \amethyst | dcestari: err, mono-gmcs |
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| 04:19.01 | \amethyst | dcestari: or mono-mcs for CLI 1.1 |
| 04:19.09 | dcestari | extor: yes, I meant compile stuff that work with mono. |
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| 04:19.38 | extor | does mono just run on opcodes? |
| 04:19.49 | \amethyst | dcestari: or mono-smcs if you want to target Moonlight/Silverlight |
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| 04:20.05 | extor | I heard mono runs as fast as php on LAMP and as fast as asp on windows/IIS...quite impressive |
| 04:20.16 | \amethyst | extor: mono has a JIT |
| 04:20.20 | dcestari | \amethyst: oh I see, so the meta-pkg mono-devel is old |
| 04:20.35 | \amethyst | dcestari: yes |
| 04:20.40 | \amethyst | dcestari: it's gone in sid, actually |
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| 04:20.45 | dcestari | \amethyst: is that normal? |
| 04:20.48 | \amethyst | dcestari: it just hasn't been removed from lenny |
| 04:21.05 | \amethyst | dcestari: that often happens when a package gets removed |
| 04:21.12 | dcestari | \amethyst: I see. |
| 04:21.17 | dcestari | \amethyst: thanks a lot. |
| 04:21.41 | \amethyst | dcestari: it's possibly worth filing a bug |
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| 04:22.29 | dcestari | \amethyst: bugs.debian.org right? |
| 04:22.59 | \amethyst | dcestari: yes, or run reportbug |
| 04:23.27 | Bushmills | extor: will your cgi output differ frequently, say, with each call, or periodically? |
| 04:23.54 | extor | Ahmm...yes it could depending on the client input |
| 04:23.57 | Bushmills | periodically so that multiple client requests would receive the same page |
| 04:23.59 | dcestari | \amethyst: ok, installing reportbug |
| 04:24.01 | extor | I would say yes definately |
| 04:24.21 | extor | But I would still expect the code to stay persistent until apache was restarted |
| 04:24.41 | Bushmills | ok. so mod_cache is probably no help |
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| 04:27.42 | extor | what is mod_cache meant for? What does it cache? |
| 04:27.46 | Dewi | when I use 'ssh -f' to background it so I can use the tunnels, it doesn't get added to the 'jobs' list |
| 04:27.58 | Dewi | what's the easiest way to get it back and INT it when I'm done? |
| 04:28.17 | \amethyst | Dewi: kill -INT the process? |
| 04:28.32 | Dewi | \amethyst: how do I reliably identify it? |
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| 04:28.40 | Dewi | \amethyst: 'ssh' isn't really very unique |
| 04:28.44 | dcestari | \amethyst: filled the bug, first time doing so with reportbug, really cool |
| 04:28.45 | Bushmills | i think it calculates a hash from the url, and looks whether there is a html page stored under that hash. each cached page has a TTL after which is it removed from storage |
| 04:29.42 | \amethyst | Dewi: hm, I guess there are passphrases etc that keep you from doing just & |
| 04:29.51 | Bushmills | dewi, fg |
| 04:30.06 | Dewi | Bushmills: it doesn't go in the jobs list like I expected |
| 04:30.15 | \amethyst | Bushmills: fg can't bring it back if you use ssh -f to have it self-background |
| 04:30.24 | Bushmills | ah |
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| 04:30.37 | extor | perhaps I need to add use CGI::SpeedyCGI to various parts of the script I am running |
| 04:31.46 | Dewi | \amethyst: it doesn't even have the shell as parent process... I just want to start a tunnel, run some stuff, and pull it down when I'm done |
| 04:31.58 | Dewi | \amethyst: maybe I need a pidfile, but how do you get pids for those? |
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| 04:32.02 | extor | SpeedyCGI and PersistentPerl are currently both names for the same |
| 04:32.02 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.02 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.02 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:32.57 | Shadow_mil | extor, gj |
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| 04:33.29 | extor | :| |
| 04:33.39 | mot_ | woot woot i'm 21! |
| 04:33.54 | mot_ | dude at the liquor store gave me a free sampler bottle of captain morgan's too, 'cause it was like 12:05 |
| 04:34.12 | \amethyst | Dewi: you can only get a pidfile if the program doesn't fork (or if it does fork but somehow gives you the new pid) |
| 04:34.23 | \amethyst | Dewi: since you have to know the pid |
| 04:34.47 | Dewi | \amethyst: heh. How odd. |
| 04:34.53 | \amethyst | Dewi: unless you need the 'delay-backgrounding' functionality of ssh -f, I'd use ssh -n host command & |
| 04:35.10 | \amethyst | Dewi: then you can manage it from the shell, because it's the shell and not ssh that forks in that case |
| 04:35.41 | Dewi | \amethyst: well it would just be better software design if I could rely on a 'fail' return val if it screws up for whatever reason |
| 04:35.45 | \amethyst | Dewi: -n is because background jobs aren't allowed to read from the terminal (they get suspended if they do) |
| 04:35.56 | Dewi | \amethyst: yup |
| 04:35.58 | \amethyst | Dewi: huh? |
| 04:36.09 | \amethyst | Dewi: oh, you want a useful return code |
| 04:36.15 | \amethyst | Dewi: the run it in the foreground |
| 04:36.42 | Dewi | \amethyst: how do I use the tunnels? |
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| 04:37.02 | Dewi | \amethyst: I'm trying to automate using an ssh tunnel... bringing it up, using it, tearing it down |
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| 04:37.45 | Steveanders | Hi.. i want to add a cronjob in debian... and want that I'll get the mail when cronjob run |
| 04:37.54 | Steveanders | how can i configure cronjob? |
| 04:37.58 | Dewi | Steveanders: what mail? |
| 04:38.17 | Dewi | Steveanders: and be more specific about 'get' ? |
| 04:38.20 | Steveanders | Dewi: email of cron job... output of cronnjob |
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| 04:39.00 | Steveanders | Dewi: in fedora i get email whenever cronjob runs... but in debian i m unable to receive a mail when cronjob runs |
| 04:39.16 | Dewi | Steveanders: um |
| 04:39.26 | Dewi | Steveanders: in my experience cron only emails me if there is output from the job |
| 04:39.37 | Steveanders | hmmm |
| 04:39.40 | Dewi | Steveanders: and yes, debian *does* email you when that happens |
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| 04:40.12 | Steveanders | ohh k.... i want to run following script after every 5 minutes.. |
| 04:40.18 | Steveanders | 5 * * * * python /var/www/mysite/abc.py |
| 04:40.23 | Steveanders | is it ok? |
| 04:40.45 | Dewi | um... no |
| 04:40.58 | Steveanders | ohhhh |
| 04:41.01 | Dewi | first field is minutes |
| 04:41.05 | simonrvn | */5 |
| 04:41.08 | Dewi | as in minutes past the hour, not every 5 |
| 04:41.22 | Steveanders | ohhh k |
| 04:41.31 | simonrvn | (please note that's a vixie/gnu-ism) |
| 04:41.42 | Steveanders | */5 * * * * python /var/www/mysite/kaka.py |
| 04:41.44 | Dewi | yeah most modern crons can do * |
| 04:41.55 | Dewi | otherwise you will need to do something like 0,5,10,15,30,45 :) |
| 04:41.55 | Steveanders | is it ok? |
| 04:42.01 | simonrvn | i meant the XXX/XXX syntax |
| 04:42.02 | Dewi | except with the other numbers filled in |
| 04:42.13 | Dewi | but */5 is fine in debian |
| 04:42.15 | simonrvn | Dewi: exactly |
| 04:42.20 | Steveanders | ok... |
| 04:42.27 | simonrvn | s,debian,vixie cron, |
| 04:42.43 | Bushmills | that's every 60 minutes |
| 04:42.44 | simonrvn | (yes being pedantic ;) |
| 04:42.47 | Steveanders | and how can i get mail of cron after every successful run |
| 04:43.01 | Dewi | Steveanders: you want email every 5 minutes? |
| 04:43.08 | Steveanders | Dewi: yes |
| 04:43.09 | Bushmills | oh. sorry. my chat window didn't scroll |
| 04:43.14 | Dewi | Steveanders: that's 288 emails a day |
| 04:43.17 | Dewi | Steveanders: are you... lonely? |
| 04:43.18 | \amethyst | cron by default will send you the program's stdout and stderr as email |
| 04:43.19 | Dewi | grins |
| 04:43.23 | simonrvn | Bushmills: s'ok :) |
| 04:43.37 | Bushmills | i'm not lagging *that* much :) |
| 04:43.47 | \amethyst | Steveanders: is this a user crontab or system crontab? |
| 04:44.06 | simonrvn | gotta do funky redirects to *not* get the email (or just null out the MAIL= ) |
| 04:44.23 | Steveanders | Dewi: no problem I have a separate email address... and i want that email should be send to that email address.. no matters how much mails per day |
| 04:44.42 | Dewi | Steveanders: it will email you when there is output so... just add this to the end: && echo DONE |
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| 04:45.00 | Dewi | Steveanders: '&&' means "then execute this if the previous command was successful" |
| 04:45.12 | Bushmills | you could install fortune, and send those. adds some variety to the cronjobbed emails |
| 04:45.13 | Dewi | Steveanders: (it uses the return value to decide) |
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| 04:46.00 | Dewi | Steveanders: huh? |
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| 04:46.36 | Dewi | Steveanders: what does that have to do with cron? |
| 04:46.48 | Dewi | Steveanders: cron has nothing to do with email |
| 04:46.55 | \amethyst | Steveanders: you can set MAILTO=myaddress@foo.example.org at the top |
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| 04:47.05 | Dewi | Steveanders: it just runs scripts, and emails any output text or error messages to you |
| 04:47.26 | \amethyst | Steveanders: oh, doh |
| 04:47.36 | \amethyst | Steveanders: I guess you can't do that directly, actually |
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| 04:48.09 | Dewi | Steveanders_: why do you want to be sent mail 288 times a day letting you know a job has completed? |
| 04:48.20 | Dewi | Steveanders: because that's what you are asking for, 288 emails just saying "job done" |
| 04:48.40 | Steveanders | it's some script of php and we need to know that our script runs fine |
| 04:49.14 | Dewi | Steveanders: okay so... */5 * * * * php script.php && echo SCRIPT DONE |
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| 04:49.57 | Dewi | Steveanders: the email will go to whoever owns the crontab |
| 04:50.44 | Dewi | Steveanders: if you want to forward root's mail somewhere else or something, I suggest adding an /etc/aliases entry for root (and then run 'newaliases') |
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| 04:52.52 | Steveanders | Dewi: if i want to receive on a specific email address then how can i do |
| 04:53.55 | Dewi | Steveanders: for the whole account, or just a cron job? |
| 04:54.07 | Steveanders | just a cron job |
| 04:54.30 | Dewi | \amethyst: why won't mailto work? |
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| 04:55.04 | \amethyst | Dewi: it's supposed to be a user, not an email address |
| 04:55.39 | Steveanders | ohhh k |
| 04:55.51 | dcestari | pkg-config doesn't recognice the mono libraries! |
| 04:56.06 | Steveanders | actually i've added some@someone.com in /et/crontab MAILTO |
| 04:56.21 | Steveanders | will it mail every cron job email to that person? |
| 04:56.37 | \amethyst | Steveanders: only those that are run from /etc/crontab |
| 04:56.41 | Dewi | Steveanders: according to the documentation that should be a username, not an email address |
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| 04:56.48 | Dewi | Steveanders: but it might work |
| 04:56.58 | \amethyst | it might work with an address in some cronds, I haven't tries |
| 04:57.03 | \amethyst | s/s$/d/ |
| 04:58.23 | Steveanders | hmmm... let me check it... if i'll get email after 5 minutes then it's ok...else i'll have to change mailto to root |
| 04:58.59 | Steveanders | Dewi: is there any way that i run cron job manually.. |
| 04:59.24 | vraa | what kinda cron job |
| 04:59.26 | iateadonu1 | what? |
| 04:59.29 | vraa | you could put it in a bash script, and then run that |
| 04:59.44 | Steveanders | i mean i want to run cron job right now |
| 05:00.02 | vraa | sorry, i dont know how to do that, i do it with webmin |
| 05:00.13 | Steveanders | i've added crons after 5 minutes... but what if i want to run cron right now |
| 05:00.28 | Steveanders | i have webmin also |
| 05:01.21 | Dewi | Steveanders: cron jobs are just commands, you can run any command you want |
| 05:01.26 | Bushmills | draws three crosses in the air and fetches some garlic |
| 05:02.50 | Steveanders | ok.. |
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| 05:10.59 | dcestari | is there a gecko-sharp on debian? |
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| 05:14.45 | Dewi | how do I close an ssh tunnel, backgrounded using 'ssh -f -N' ? |
| 05:15.17 | wwasher | ugh. twice today the PC has mysteriously restarted itself. |
| 05:15.49 | wwasher | i see nothing in /var/log/messages which indicate issues, nor in /var/log/daemon |
| 05:15.56 | wwasher | anywhere else i might look? |
| 05:16.02 | Dewi | wwasher: /var/log/syslog |
| 05:16.33 | Dewi | and maybe kern.log |
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| 05:20.26 | wwasher | 01:21 < Dewi> wwasher: /var/log/syslog |
| 05:20.33 | wwasher | ugh. |
| 05:20.38 | wwasher | dewi: thanks. |
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| 05:48.33 | generic | i all do we have 2.6.24-16-server works for drbd 8 |
| 05:48.36 | generic | or not |
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| 05:52.59 | extor | I am getting really bad compression on some tars which have repeated duplicatin of various files. I tried gzip -9 and that did not work, what is the bestest compressor out there? |
| 05:55.37 | markybob | extor, then try bz2. tar -j |
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| 05:55.49 | extor | what is -j for |
| 05:55.53 | markybob | bz2 |
| 05:56.10 | markybob | tar -jcf foo.tar.bz2 foodir |
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| 06:08.31 | Pulpie | !fglr |
| 06:08.48 | Pulpie | !fglxr |
| 06:09.00 | Pulpie | erm whats the non-free ati driver called |
| 06:09.30 | Pulpie | !fglrx one-liner |
| 06:09.30 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:09.49 | Pulpie | !non-free sources |
| 06:09.50 | dpkg | non-free sources is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 06:11.03 | Sebboh | Pulpie, you can send private messages directly to dpkg and she'll reply directly to you. |
| 06:11.29 | Pulpie | I know I would have if I had another commands to run |
| 06:11.44 | Sebboh | That doesn't parse. |
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| 06:14.14 | Sebboh | Question: After I add my openvpn interface (tap0) to a bridge, I lose all connections to that machine via the openvpn tunnel.. What happened? |
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| 06:16.05 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a tool that takes a cddb file and a list of mp3 files and applies proper id3v2 tags (and for some extra points renames the files)? Maybe a certain secret `abcde` option? |
| 06:17.02 | CaT[t3] | I think I rolled my own. |
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| 06:19.17 | vlt | I know that a part of "abcde" does exactly this. I just wanted to ask for a better way than reading 4000+ lines of bash script ... |
| 06:19.31 | Sebboh | can I query the cable plugged in / not plugged in status of my ethernet devices? |
| 06:19.42 | vlt | Sebboh: ethtool |
| 06:19.48 | Sebboh | thanks |
| 06:20.04 | CaT[t3] | vlt: write your own bash script or perl script. like I said, it's what I did. comes to around 20 lines or so |
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| 06:21.15 | CaT[t3] | mine was longer cos I also did flac and ogg and cue. |
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| 06:22.10 | Dewi | is there in general a way to get or pre-set the PID of a process |
| 06:22.15 | Dewi | when I start it |
| 06:22.18 | Dewi | so that I may kill it later? |
| 06:22.59 | markybob | Dewi, yes. use start-stop-daemon --pidfile |
| 06:23.02 | CaT[t3] | man pidof |
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| 06:23.13 | CaT[t3] | or that :) |
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| 06:25.06 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
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| 06:27.22 | Natilous | Hi, I want to use cron with "proz command"...how can config it ... ! |
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| 06:27.54 | Natilous | cron can work with "cp" or "rm" or .. commands but can't run "proz" ... ! |
| 06:28.26 | CaT[t3] | whatever proz is. |
| 06:28.34 | markybob | Natilous, you probably need to chmod +x proz |
| 06:29.10 | Natilous | I test it with "root" |
| 06:29.34 | CaT[t3] | root still obeys the x flag. |
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| 06:30.06 | plota | maybe it's not in cron's search path |
| 06:30.17 | plota | if cron runs as someone else, i guess it might now |
| 06:30.48 | Natilous | plota: path of "proz" is /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 06:33.30 | Natilous | thanks for your help ... ! |
| 06:33.39 | Natilous | Have a good day ... ! |
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| 06:33.55 | markybob | huh. i wonder what that means. was it +x ? :P |
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| 06:35.27 | xingu | markybob: the "+x" factor, you might say |
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| 06:36.01 | markybob | heh |
| 06:37.35 | R00t3r | hey all, i was wondering if anyone has experience with using tsocks in a debian system |
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| 06:37.51 | markybob | !tell R00t3r about ask |
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| 06:38.42 | whizz | does anyone know a linux rapidshare downloader? |
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| 06:38.45 | omposter | how do you search for packages? |
| 06:38.49 | xjkx | how would you define the differences between opensource and free software ? I was reading they are the same thing |
| 06:39.00 | markybob | !tell omposter about search |
| 06:39.14 | whizz | (must be textbased, I don't have X) |
| 06:39.24 | R00t3r | oo i see follow the guidelines so u dont have so many friggen people asking so many questions at once heh |
| 06:39.32 | markybob | xjkx, open source != free. free is about total freedom, not just open source |
| 06:39.47 | omposter | is lazy and prefers asking |
| 06:40.13 | whizz | xjkx: there are some companies that do make opensource, but not free software |
| 06:40.34 | whizz | software that is free is licenced under a free licence, like GPL |
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| 06:41.03 | whizz | open-source only says that the source is somehow freely viewable |
| 06:41.54 | whizz | though many people tend to use those words wrongly |
| 06:42.17 | xjkx | wikipedia would disagree, whizz |
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| 06:42.25 | xingu | you can still be done for a patent violation if you copy a non-free, opensource method |
| 06:42.32 | xjkx | "Open source software is computer software for which the human-readable source code is made available under a copyright license (or arrangement such as the public domain) that meets the Open Source Definition. This permits users to use, change, and improve the software, and to redistribute it in modified or unmodified form." |
| 06:42.39 | xingu | so "freely viewable" is a bit disingenuous |
| 06:42.48 | snogglethorpe | one problem is that different people sometimes use the term in different ways |
| 06:43.03 | xjkx | by the wiki's definition, i think they are the same :P |
| 06:43.18 | xingu | the best answer to this totally ot question is "go read the dfsg guidelines" |
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| 06:43.30 | xingu | s/ guidelines// |
| 06:43.35 | markybob | you dont read wikipedia for something as specific as open source vs free. for that you go to fsf |
| 06:43.59 | R00t3r | apologies for asking not smart questions |
| 06:44.02 | xjkx | are you saying it is wrong ? |
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| 06:44.16 | whizz | xjkx: I'd say it is wrong |
| 06:44.19 | markybob | i'm saying that the average population is made up of idiots |
| 06:44.22 | whizz | since it is clearly not the same |
| 06:44.32 | liable | oww my balls! |
| 06:44.39 | iceNine | markybob: why? |
| 06:44.53 | iceNine | markybob: i think that the average population is made up of followers |
| 06:44.57 | xingu | xjkx: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines <-- that's the superset of requirements that debian needs to consider software to be "free". |
| 06:45.14 | xingu | xjkx: source availability is only one piece |
| 06:45.23 | iceNine | markybob: to label a follower as an idiot isn't correct, followers have societal purpose and if they follow me then they're no idiot ;) |
| 06:45.39 | whizz | http://rapidshare.com/files/33468136/Van_Dale.part1.rar |
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| 06:45.47 | whizz | woops |
| 06:45.48 | whizz | :P |
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| 06:46.03 | whizz | stupid putty |
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| 06:46.22 | iceNine | i almost had the worst paste accident |
| 06:46.35 | iceNine | sometimes your clipboard randomly gets filled up with stuff |
| 06:46.41 | iceNine | and you're typing an e-mail. |
| 06:46.57 | xjkx | xingu, I know that, but i'd like to see a link saying opensource is only make the source available, and not how wiki said, that it's about distribute, modify and such |
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| 06:48.46 | xingu | xjkx: to borrow a phrase from clinton, "it dpeneds on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" |
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| 06:49.30 | Pulpie | I am having trouble making sure my graphics card is working |
| 06:49.33 | markybob | xingu, heh. i can only hope that hillary provides us with as much entertainment :P |
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| 06:49.54 | markybob | Pulpie, can you see something? |
| 06:49.55 | Pulpie | See I run "tremulous" a game and it says I dont have opengl installed or something |
| 06:49.55 | whizz | xjkx: I think I am thinking it wromg |
| 06:49.56 | xingu | xjkx: or to put it another way, it's an artificially constructed conjunction of words designed to confuse; if you knew the word's etymological root (I don't) then you could ask the word's originator what they meant by it and die happy. |
| 06:50.14 | whizz | xjkx: http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php |
| 06:50.22 | Pulpie | markybob: of course but its not going 3d but I did the fglrx one liner |
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| 06:50.55 | markybob | Pulpie, then you need to learn how to ask questions. say your card is working, but dri is not, etc. |
| 06:51.08 | xingu | xjkx: either way it's a pretty academic exercise; because it's a term loaded with emotive prejudice no two people will exactly agree as to its meaning - to them. |
| 06:51.09 | Pulpie | markybob: sorry that is what i mean |
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| 06:51.37 | Pulpie | markybob: I believe the driver is working but open gl isn't but how do I make sure the driver is in use? |
| 06:51.50 | whizz | xjkx: since you like wikipedia, maybe you find this one interesting too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_software#Open_source_software_versus_free_software |
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| 06:52.07 | markybob | Pulpie, you've restarted x since installing the driver and reconfiguring everything, right? |
| 06:52.14 | xingu | xjkx: if you want to constructively burn time over the issue read, and understand the issues rather than the marketing phrases (and the dfsg is as good a place to start as any); if not, carry on trolling until someone here gets annoyed enough about the OT nature of all this to nail you one. |
| 06:52.24 | Pulpie | markybob: yes |
| 06:52.25 | markybob | Pulpie, what does glxinfo tell you about dri? |
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| 06:52.59 | Pulpie | markybob: everything looks good but this part |
| 06:53.01 | Pulpie | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
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| 06:53.20 | Pulpie | erm hold on let me pastebin |
| 06:53.21 | xjkx | xingu, sorry i am just trying to understand what i never did :P according to http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php wikipedia is right |
| 06:53.36 | markybob | Pulpie, then set that. export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose |
| 06:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, it's late and I'm getting funny ideas - is there some mechanism to have... some kind of list of packages that shouldn't installed as binary packages, but made from source packages with some modifications... ideally having the modification patch-like in the list |
| 06:53.51 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026804 |
| 06:54.07 | xjkx | "Introduction Open source doesn't just mean access to the source code." |
| 06:54.09 | Pulpie | markybob: at second glance it looks like its not working |
| 06:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | just thinking of those simple things that... kind of mount up... like - gnuplot with gnu readline support, pstoedit with libemf, .... etc |
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| 06:56.46 | xingu | xjkx: is there something #debian-related anywhere in amongst all this? |
| 06:57.02 | martian67 | #debian-offtopic |
| 06:57.54 | Pulpie | How do I make sure open gl is installed and working correctly? |
| 06:58.21 | markybob | eh, true. but if he asks what dfsg vs open source is, it'd be perfectly on topic :P |
| 06:58.42 | martian67 | Pulpie: glxgears |
| 06:58.47 | martian67 | or glxinfo |
| 06:58.49 | xingu | markybob: you'll notice I pre-empted that one. :) |
| 06:58.51 | markybob | Pulpie, set the variable like i told you, and see what glxinfo gives you then |
| 06:58.56 | Pulpie | i did |
| 06:59.03 | Pulpie | it did the same thing |
| 06:59.14 | markybob | no extra info? exact same paste? |
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| 06:59.37 | Pulpie | martian67: it seems like its using my cpu |
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| 06:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I take that as a "no" |
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| 07:00.04 | Pulpie | my cpu bursts to full and im getting 400 fps |
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| 07:01.13 | markybob | Pulpie, you've actually got me beat. i get about 250 :P |
| 07:01.31 | Pulpie | markybob: I have a radeon x1650 im suppose to get REALLY good graphics |
| 07:01.45 | Pulpie | markybob: if you play smc do you lag A LOT |
| 07:01.49 | maligor | heh, glxgears is meaningless |
| 07:01.54 | xjkx | xingu, there isn't a channel for this subject, so debian is very closely related |
| 07:01.55 | markybob | i dont play, actually |
| 07:01.57 | Pulpie | maligor: I assumed |
| 07:02.06 | Pulpie | markybob: install it and check really quick please? |
| 07:02.10 | maligor | I get 15000 fps in it |
| 07:02.28 | Pulpie | maligor: what do u have |
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| 07:02.32 | maligor | hd 3870 |
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| 07:02.39 | Pulpie | hd? |
| 07:02.44 | markybob | Pulpie, did the one-liner give you any errors? anything helpful to us? |
| 07:02.53 | Guerin | xjkx: this is a common misconception. Try #gnu |
| 07:02.54 | Pulpie | markybob: no it didn't seem like it |
| 07:02.58 | maligor | radeon hd 3870 that is |
| 07:03.06 | Pulpie | maligor: ahh see i have an x1650 |
| 07:03.15 | markybob | Pulpie, do you get the same results as root? |
| 07:03.17 | nirupama | does debian have the driver for wireless modem usb 2.0 model sub-362 (ext) |
| 07:03.28 | maligor | glxgears is mostly affected by the memory bandwidth on the card I think |
| 07:03.30 | Pulpie | markybob: in what? |
| 07:03.35 | markybob | Pulpie, glxinfo |
| 07:04.05 | xingu | maligor: s/bandwidth/latency/ |
| 07:04.15 | maligor | xingu, I'm not so sure |
| 07:04.30 | maligor | I doubt something like glxgears would gain that much from latency |
| 07:04.36 | Pulpie | yes |
| 07:04.41 | xingu | maligor: well, unless you're sucking the proverbial thickshake through a cheese straw |
| 07:04.41 | Pulpie | its the same markybob |
| 07:05.05 | Pulpie | I just want my gpu to work D: |
| 07:05.10 | markybob | Pulpie, sorry, i'm out of ideas. i dont use 3d so i know little about it |
| 07:05.13 | maligor | xingu, mm.. maybe you're right |
| 07:05.16 | xingu | maligor: how about we settle on BDP |
| 07:05.25 | xingu | maligor: then we can both be smug and right :) |
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| 07:05.53 | Pulpie | maligor: you have a high tech video card... did u do anything special to get it running besides the fglrx one-liner? |
| 07:05.57 | maligor | modifying a bew bits in the fglrx driver drops the framerate to 5000 fps too... those bits being softfiregl |
| 07:06.18 | maligor | Pulpie, not really |
| 07:06.44 | Pulpie | i guess ill try aticonfig --inital |
| 07:06.46 | maligor | Pulpie, if you're using catalyst 8.5, disabling Catalyst AI will raise your fps too |
| 07:06.52 | maligor | which is curious |
| 07:06.55 | Pulpie | ill try that |
| 07:06.59 | maligor | that is, it'll raise it in glxgears |
| 07:07.04 | maligor | in anything else it's inverse |
| 07:07.08 | xingu | Pulpie: I can see from your entire glxinfo output that you're using the xorg (software) GL stack; that's the first thing to address |
| 07:07.24 | Pulpie | xingu: meaning what |
| 07:07.27 | iguanna | hi friends |
| 07:07.30 | Pulpie | xingu: whats a gl stack |
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| 07:07.59 | xingu | Pulpie: the "^OpenGL (vendor|renderer) string:" are the giveaway; so basically, your system per that output is using the xorg _software_ glx implementation |
| 07:08.00 | maligor | oh, heh, mesa indirect |
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| 07:08.09 | Pulpie | also news: I clicked the ati control center icon and it says no ati graphics driver is installed or is not functioning. |
| 07:08.28 | maligor | Pulpie, you're not using compiz or xgl are you? |
| 07:08.36 | iguanna | what software do you advise me to management project? |
| 07:08.38 | Pulpie | how do I know if I have a dualhead or not? |
| 07:08.43 | Pulpie | no of course not maligor |
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| 07:08.54 | iguanna | in windows i worked with MS Project |
| 07:09.04 | xingu | Pulpie: now so on from there; the domain specific parts of this I can't help with is how to get your x1650 running to its best capacity (I'm a nvidia guy) |
| 07:09.04 | iguanna | on debian? |
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| 07:09.28 | xingu | so the first question - is which of the myriad of ati drivers is _best_ for x1650? |
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| 07:09.32 | xingu | googles just to find out |
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| 07:09.57 | xingu | catalyst, from the looks |
| 07:10.25 | maligor | opensource r500 driver does very basic 3d I think |
| 07:10.27 | Pulpie | xingu: is catalyst the ati.com driver? |
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| 07:10.41 | Pulpie | also is catalyst the fglrx? |
| 07:10.49 | maligor | Pulpie, yes |
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| 07:11.02 | Pulpie | maligor: what a dual head video card? |
| 07:11.05 | maligor | or I guess fglrx is the driver, catalyst is the software |
| 07:11.18 | xingu | ok |
| 07:11.24 | xingu | so lets see what the dpkg hint looks like |
| 07:11.30 | xingu | !fglrx |
| 07:11.30 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see <ati> |
| 07:11.31 | markybob | iguanna, there's http://live.gnome.org/Planner |
| 07:11.35 | xingu | !fglrx one-liner |
| 07:11.35 | dpkg | To install fglrx, first make sure you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list (ask me about <non-free sources>). Then: aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:11.40 | Pulpie | xingu: I did that |
| 07:11.44 | maligor | Pulpie, what debian distro are you using? |
| 07:11.48 | Pulpie | maligor: lenny |
| 07:11.55 | xingu | Pulpie: what does lsmod | grep fglrx say ? |
| 07:12.07 | iguanna | markybob, thanks, i gonna see |
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| 07:12.29 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026812 xingu |
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| 07:13.49 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.52 | Pulpie | erm oops |
| 07:14.05 | xingu | Pulpie: and in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, what Driver are you loading? |
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| 07:15.00 | maligor | LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose fglrxinfo |
| 07:15.23 | Pulpie | ummm |
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| 07:15.27 | maligor | after you make sure you're using the fglrx driver :P |
| 07:15.29 | xingu | suspects Pulpie needs to s/ati/fglrx/ in xorg.conf and log out/ log back in again |
| 07:15.41 | Pulpie | there is no section for the video card that I see |
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| 07:15.53 | maligor | oh, you're using autodetection |
| 07:15.57 | maligor | it'll be ati then |
| 07:15.58 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.58 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:16.10 | Pulpie | thats all i have in video device |
| 07:16.14 | maligor | add Driver "fglrx" |
| 07:16.32 | Pulpie | under options? |
| 07:16.55 | maligor | well, I prefer to have it under Identifier |
| 07:17.04 | Pulpie | ok |
| 07:17.06 | maligor | but I don't think it really matters |
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| 07:17.27 | Pulpie | then log in and out? |
| 07:17.34 | xingu | should be yes |
| 07:17.34 | wols_ | Pulpie: lenny or sid? |
| 07:17.37 | Pulpie | lenny |
| 07:17.49 | wols_ | Pulpie: what does your Xorg.0.log say? |
| 07:17.51 | Pulpie | i've said that. |
| 07:18.01 | Pulpie | let me pastebin it |
| 07:18.24 | wols_ | in there it tells you what X loads as drivers |
| 07:18.29 | xingu | I smell a possible bts for xserver-xorg - emit commented Driver stanza in xorg.conf |
| 07:18.50 | wols_ | that edid stuff is a big POS |
| 07:19.05 | Pulpie | wols_: there is no log |
| 07:19.16 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:19.23 | wols_ | if X was run, there is |
| 07:19.37 | wols_ | xingu: and the debconf to go with it is probably worse |
| 07:19.38 | _milligan | Is there any way of running a memtest on a live system, or can that only be done with a reboot ? |
| 07:19.46 | xingu | I can see why using driver autodetect might be considered a good idea, but in that case there's something missing that needs to control binding order between pci vendor/device id and driver |
| 07:19.56 | wols_ | _milligan: reboot. needs real mode to be useful |
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| 07:20.13 | wols_ | xingu: the idea is good, the implementation however... |
| 07:20.32 | wols_ | when something goes wrong with EDID you are up shit creek more than you were before |
| 07:20.59 | Pulpie | looks like it loads both dude |
| 07:21.07 | xingu | wols_: if you ever need to knock the living crap out of a large scale vps design, boot it with its design limit of vm's all running memtest :) |
| 07:21.24 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026818 wols_ |
| 07:21.28 | _milligan | wols_, I need to add a memtest option to a separate boot option in grub ? |
| 07:21.45 | wols_ | _milligan: install memtest86 it should add one by itself |
| 07:21.50 | Pulpie | brb loging in and out to test adding fglrx to the xorg.conf |
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| 07:21.58 | maligor | there's memtester too |
| 07:22.34 | maligor | but it only does stress I think |
| 07:22.36 | wols_ | xingu: what about I/O testing as well? usually VPSes are I/O bound |
| 07:22.55 | Pulpie | ugh |
| 07:22.59 | Pulpie | ok heres what happened |
| 07:23.08 | troubled | xingu: or a forkbomb no? heya :) |
| 07:23.09 | xingu | wols_: oh sure; dbench, once you're happy with at-limit virt-to-physical cpu scheduling behaviour :) |
| 07:23.09 | Pulpie | now all i get is a black screen |
| 07:23.17 | Pulpie | nothing on it |
| 07:23.25 | xingu | Pulpie: repaste Xorg.0.log |
| 07:23.27 | Pulpie | i hit ctrl+alt+f1 and I cant even get there |
| 07:23.34 | maligor | Pulpie, try ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 07:23.39 | Pulpie | Ill try that |
| 07:23.41 | _milligan | wols_, I did apt-get install memtest86, and checking /boot/grub/menu.lst , it doesn't have an option. |
| 07:23.42 | maligor | or alt-f2 |
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| 07:23.59 | troubled | _milligan: # memtest86=true |
| 07:24.01 | Pulpie | nope |
| 07:24.05 | Pulpie | totally black |
| 07:24.10 | Pulpie | total FAILURE |
| 07:24.22 | _milligan | troubled, enable that, and then reinstall, or just run grub-update ? |
| 07:24.36 | troubled | _milligan: just reboot :) |
| 07:24.37 | Pulpie | xingu: how can i repaste it? |
| 07:24.42 | maligor | for some reason memtest86 doesn't work for me in grub2 |
| 07:24.58 | maligor | found it rather odd, it's linked to having 4gb ram, cdrom images work fine |
| 07:25.00 | troubled | _milligan: grub-update is just to find new kernels. grub otherwise finds everything it needs when it starts |
| 07:25.34 | Pulpie | ok guys what should i do? |
| 07:25.43 | xingu | Pulpie: fish up Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf from the system (log into it across network, or reboot in single user mode and undo change to xorg.conf _after_ taking a copy of it and Xorg.0.log) |
| 07:26.06 | Pulpie | ok |
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| 07:26.21 | troubled | _milligan: im not to sure about that memtest line though. not sure if grub will know about memtest is that line isnt already in your menu.lst. might wanna test once |
| 07:27.09 | _milligan | rebooting def didn't give me an option to run a memtest. |
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| 07:27.25 | maligor | troubled, it won't |
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| 07:28.37 | troubled | maligor: didnt think so. mine came with it. usually a telltale sign :) |
| 07:29.15 | _milligan | troubled, I should have ran update-grub before rebooting .. because the memtest is its own kernel .. so it gets added when running that command :) |
| 07:29.18 | xingu | my host's never had memtest installed on it and grub.lst has an entry for memtest86 in it |
| 07:29.32 | Pulpie | ok xingu I cp'ed my xorg.0.log to my home dir and rebooted after fixing the xorg.conf |
| 07:29.33 | xingu | I gather this is more a grub thing than a memtest thing. |
| 07:29.45 | xingu | Pulpie: upload to pastebin so we can see |
| 07:29.58 | Pulpie | xingu: Ill do that as soon as i can |
| 07:30.08 | troubled | _milligan: huh, didnt notice a kernel for it here. good to know though :) |
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| 07:30.43 | troubled | _milligan: what is the kernel name in /boot you have? |
| 07:31.01 | wols_ | !info php4 |
| 07:31.18 | troubled | cause I always thought it would be a second stage file located elsewhere or built into grub |
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| 07:32.28 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026823 xingu |
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| 07:33.19 | Pulpie | Given depth (8) is not supported by fglrx driver |
| 07:33.41 | maligor | I wonder why it'd crash then |
| 07:33.46 | troubled | _milligan: hmm, guess it should be in boot though -> changelog.Debian.gz: * update-grub should look for memtest86 in /boot |
| 07:33.51 | maligor | you must have a flaky config |
| 07:34.05 | maligor | add DefaultDepth 24 to Section "Screen" |
| 07:34.18 | Pulpie | maligor: ... read line 411 to 423 |
| 07:34.25 | iguanna | i'd like to connecto with irc.gnome.org but i am looking for it inside listed servers of xchat but it doesn't appear, why? maybe because it's a private irc |
| 07:34.50 | xingu | Pulpie: ok your default depth is probably set at 8 later in xorg.conf - change to 24 |
| 07:34.59 | joltcan | iguanna: It's probably not widespread. Add it yourself |
| 07:35.04 | Pulpie | xingu: so what maligor said? |
| 07:35.09 | xingu | basically, yes |
| 07:35.11 | Pulpie | cause it wasn't in there |
| 07:35.17 | xingu | ok; so add it |
| 07:35.25 | Pulpie | no default depth so yes I added that |
| 07:35.28 | xingu | more xorg autoguessing, bts "wishlist" priority |
| 07:35.29 | maligor | noone wants to use 8 anyway :P |
| 07:35.30 | d | what does /mst NickServ IDENTIFY <password> mean? where does one get a password? |
| 07:35.34 | Pulpie | should I add the driver thing |
| 07:35.41 | Pulpie | flgrx again |
| 07:35.43 | maligor | even 16 is pretty rare |
| 07:35.45 | troubled | _milligan: ahh, helps if I had memtest installed on this machine. ya, its deifnetly a kernel in boot :) |
| 07:35.46 | xingu | yup |
| 07:36.01 | xingu | maligor: I regularly use 15/16bpp to keep memory footprint down on small systems |
| 07:36.06 | _milligan | troubled, sorry I didn't reply... a bit back'n'forth here :) Yes, it creates its own kernel in /boot/ |
| 07:36.10 | xingu | maligor: older panels tend to only have 16bpp gamut anyway |
| 07:36.27 | xingu | maligor: some of them have a 12bpp gamut :) |
| 07:36.27 | troubled | _milligan: ya, i see that. so yes, an update-grub would have been mandatory. sorry bout that :) |
| 07:36.32 | Pulpie | xingu: then logout and in? |
| 07:36.41 | Pulpie | more like logout and pray? |
| 07:36.41 | _milligan | no probs :) System was only semi-live ;) |
| 07:36.42 | maligor | xingu, sounds dreadful |
| 07:36.45 | xingu | and cross your fingers and point your pc toward mecca |
| 07:37.02 | Pulpie | xingu: ugh which was is that? |
| 07:37.08 | Pulpie | gets the map out |
| 07:37.10 | maligor | xingu, color reproduction must in the range of: it seems to be blueish |
| 07:37.21 | Pulpie | is away to logout |
| 07:37.59 | Pulpie | dude mecca failed |
| 07:38.01 | troubled | _milligan: im rather surprised your grub didnt have that memtest option at least there but maybe disabled though. my one had it and i didnt have memtest installed yet on this box |
| 07:38.08 | Pulpie | should i do the same thing? |
| 07:38.32 | _milligan | troubled, it did have the option .. but it was commented.. I uncommented it, and ran update-grub, and I was good to go :) |
| 07:38.37 | iguanna | joltcan, have i to add 'irc.gnome.org' or only 'gnome'? i tell you that, because i added 'irc.gnome.org' and this server is not found |
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| 07:38.54 | xingu | Pulpie: yep; again this time I'd actually like to see the xorg.conf, too. |
| 07:38.54 | Pulpie | single mode, undo flgrx and cp the xorg.0.log to home and pastebin it xingu ? |
| 07:38.59 | Pulpie | xingu: k |
| 07:39.11 | xingu | Pulpie: get the current xorg.conf, not the restored one. |
| 07:39.18 | troubled | _milligan: actually, i dont think you are supposed to uncomment that one: ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 07:39.40 | troubled | _milligan: might work still, but you how grub is weird that way with "options" and comments |
| 07:39.56 | joltcan | iguanna: add irc.gnome.org as a the server name. It resolvs to an ip address that answers on ping, so I bet it would work |
| 07:40.21 | _milligan | wops |
| 07:40.28 | maligor | troubled, heh, the grub2 setup is so much nicer |
| 07:40.35 | troubled | _milligan: heck, try it, id be curious to see :) |
| 07:40.41 | _milligan | I did :P |
| 07:40.41 | troubled | maligor: lenny? |
| 07:40.43 | _milligan | And it worked,hehe. |
| 07:40.45 | maligor | sid |
| 07:40.48 | iguanna | joltcan, yeah now it works |
| 07:40.55 | maligor | lenny might have it too, dunno |
| 07:41.13 | troubled | _milligan: i suspect they use #'s to help parse the file or something. but it is rather unintuitive config i think |
| 07:41.17 | maligor | it uses .d scripts for generation |
| 07:41.35 | troubled | maligor: like conf.d/<script>? |
| 07:41.48 | maligor | well, they're in grub.d, but yes |
| 07:41.49 | _milligan | troubled, certainly doesn't comply with the standard used in 99.9% of other scripts,hehe. Then again, I'm the screwup for not reading. |
| 07:41.52 | Pulpie | rebooting now xingu thanks for your help so far. |
| 07:41.55 | troubled | meh, seems to be the way the winds are blowing these days heh |
| 07:42.18 | troubled | _milligan: the programmer who made grab was stoned or something I think heh |
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| 07:42.23 | troubled | grub* |
| 07:42.32 | maligor | troubled, well, it is simple and allows one to disable specific sections easily |
| 07:42.33 | Pulpie | xingu: of course the current one... the restored one will still have the depth addon |
| 07:42.35 | ReKlipz | anyone mind helping me understand what memtest is telling me? |
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| 07:42.58 | _milligan | troubled, or very fond of hash O_O |
| 07:43.08 | troubled | maligor: im all for it. although i generally setup a few options in grub once on install and then never need to edit the file again for years |
| 07:43.17 | xingu | Pulpie: no probs; I'm guessing that either the defaultdepth statement has gone into the wrong section or there's another quirk just uncovered |
| 07:43.18 | troubled | _milligan: touche! |
| 07:43.38 | xingu | Pulpie: we could minimise the number of reboots if you could setup network login between the two pc's you have |
| 07:44.02 | Pulpie | xingu: probably another quirk cause the depth display is in the screen section and is working now |
| 07:44.13 | maligor | xingu, not so sure, it might be leaving the display state unstable |
| 07:44.18 | Pulpie | xingu: yeah but I don't wanna do that because of the openssl vul |
| 07:44.25 | vy | Despite installer recognizes the ServeRAID controller (see lines 131-138 of syslog in http://pastebin.com/m4559cca7), there doesn't appear any related drives under /dev. Any ideas? |
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| 07:45.17 | vy | And here are dmesg (http://pastebin.com/m479c8b6a) and "lspci -vv" (http://pastebin.com/m10b183d5) outputs. |
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| 07:45.49 | Pulpie | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/1026828 |
| 07:45.49 | troubled | heh vydema |
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| 07:46.03 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026829 xingu |
| 07:46.35 | plota | nick |
| 07:47.00 | maligor | never seen cail debug messages |
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| 07:47.31 | maligor | oh, it's the radeon driver |
| 07:47.43 | Pulpie | maligor: huh whats wrong? |
| 07:48.03 | maligor | well, you're using the radeon driver now |
| 07:48.33 | Pulpie | not this second no |
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| 07:48.46 | Pulpie | I am using the flgrx driver |
| 07:49.25 | Pulpie | maligor: what I just tried http://pastebin.ca/1026828 Logs: http://pastebin.ca/1026829 |
| 07:49.30 | HardDisk_WP | vy, this raid is configured via an own bios? |
| 07:49.53 | troubled | arent they all? |
| 07:49.55 | xingu | Pulpie: the Xorg.0.log you have there shows the radeon driver init, not fglrx; what does glxinfo think? |
| 07:49.59 | HardDisk_WP | vy, in this case it should be /dev/sdX |
| 07:50.09 | HardDisk_WP | the dev file |
| 07:50.14 | maligor | Pulpie, that log is using the radeon driver |
| 07:50.26 | HardDisk_WP | troubled, software raids afair not |
| 07:50.36 | HardDisk_WP | depends on what kinda raid this is |
| 07:50.37 | troubled | HardDisk_WP: gotta boot it somehow though |
| 07:50.49 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026831 xingu |
| 07:50.53 | Pulpie | I dont get why |
| 07:50.58 | maligor | your xorg configuration is very spartan too |
| 07:51.03 | troubled | always thought the soft ones just used like a dma or the bus directly to use the cpu. meh |
| 07:51.09 | Pulpie | spartan? |
| 07:51.23 | troubled | xingu might know :) |
| 07:51.24 | maligor | bland, basic, simple |
| 07:51.27 | maligor | big muscles |
| 07:51.28 | vy | HardDisk_WP: I really dunno, and never did such a thing. Let me check. |
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| 07:51.53 | Pulpie | well I dont know how to configure xorg very well |
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| 07:52.01 | Pulpie | I just did aticonfig --inital |
| 07:52.13 | xingu | Pulpie: try removing option usefbdev, and adding: Device "Configured Graphics Device" into the screen section |
| 07:52.16 | maligor | you're missing server layout too |
| 07:52.33 | xingu | maligor: the new fashion in xorg.conf is auto-everything |
| 07:52.36 | maligor | but I don't have a server layout set either |
| 07:52.41 | maligor | xingu, yes, I know |
| 07:52.59 | maligor | I'm using hotplug input |
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| 07:53.32 | maligor | well, autodetect input anyway, dunno about the hot part |
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| 07:53.48 | xingu | Pulpie: then try again; what we're looking for is in the Xorg.0.log output something referencing the fglrx driver init rather than ati_drv/ radeon |
| 07:54.26 | xushi | hi guys |
| 07:54.28 | xushi | i need some advice.. i'm trying to install checkinstall, but it gives me an error. http://pastebin.ca/1026836 |
| 07:54.29 | xingu | Pulpie: once we get the combination of _successful_ (no (EE)rror lines) xorg init w/ fglrx driver init, then it's time to move to the next stage of tests |
| 07:54.47 | Pulpie | xingu: http://pastebin.ca/1026837 like that? |
| 07:55.42 | maligor | Device "Configured Video Device" |
| 07:55.49 | maligor | add that in Section "Screen" |
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| 07:56.10 | xingu | Pulpie: sorry, s/Graphics/Video/ |
| 07:56.28 | xingu | Pulpie: just fix my braino between the quotes and you're good for the next try |
| 07:56.36 | Pulpie | then log out? |
| 07:56.38 | Pulpie | ok |
| 07:56.44 | Pulpie | thanks again for your help I hope it works |
| 07:56.49 | xingu | me too :) |
| 07:57.13 | xushi | if i compile from source, i get this nasty error, http://pastebin.ca/1026839 |
| 07:57.43 | maligor | oh, you already mentioned it |
| 07:57.46 | maligor | heh |
| 07:57.58 | maligor | I guess I'm a bit slow on the buffer reading |
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| 07:58.18 | badcfe | i want to find out what package countains a given program. in general. but this time its about xload |
| 07:58.37 | badcfe | dpkg -L xbase-clients # does not list it |
| 07:58.37 | dpkg | No packages found matching xbase-clients # does not list it |
| 07:59.14 | badcfe | dpkg: sorry bot .. i didnt intend to adress you this time |
| 07:59.14 | dpkg | badcfe: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:59.45 | troubled | xushi: gettext installed? |
| 07:59.55 | troubled | xushi: gettext: usr/bin/msgfmt |
| 07:59.58 | xushi | troubled: no, but when i try to, it gives me another really weird error |
| 08:00.00 | xushi | i'll paste |
| 08:00.22 | troubled | xushi: looks like you have etch and tried to pin a package or install from some other source? |
| 08:00.23 | xushi | troubled: http://pastebin.ca/1026840 |
| 08:00.33 | troubled | install the deb that is |
| 08:00.39 | badcfe | i think of installing xload on a prod ("server" machine) .. but i dont want all the X server ofcourse |
| 08:00.49 | xushi | troubled: yea, i noticed. I'm compiling it from source instead, but this error with gettext, confusing |
| 08:00.52 | badcfe | so should i install xbase-clienst? |
| 08:01.25 | xingu | troubled: the software raid chipsets really don't do much apart from handling the degraded-boot and striped-boot cases |
| 08:01.28 | badcfe | and is there security issues in forwarding an xload window over ssh from your prod machine? |
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| 08:01.33 | troubled | xushi: checkinstall |
| 08:01.36 | troubled | ? |
| 08:01.53 | xushi | troubled: i'm trying to install gettext, not sure why it's talking about checkinstall now |
| 08:02.18 | troubled | xingu: so basically the raid math is dont when drivers load, but they still boot on their own is what your sayin right? |
| 08:02.22 | xingu | troubled: which is why most of them only support simple raid0 or raid1 |
| 08:02.52 | troubled | xingu: thought so. couldnt see a raid card not being able to at least boot something on its own :) |
| 08:02.53 | xingu | troubled: exactly so; and it's mostly a software thing in any case, it's bios trickyness in early boot |
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| 08:03.33 | xingu | troubled: by the time anything is _writing_ to the volume it's assumed that a dm-raid-like personality is managing coherency |
| 08:03.34 | troubled | xingu: do the software ones have bios setups always though? that was the main question i think i was after |
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| 08:03.44 | Pulpie | and im back |
| 08:04.02 | xingu | troubled: not really - there's usually a small bit of flash/nvram (or possibly even the bios private area) that stores topology |
| 08:04.10 | troubled | xushi: remove it? |
| 08:04.14 | xushi | remove what? |
| 08:04.34 | xushi | checkinstall? i didn't know it was installed yet |
| 08:04.36 | xingu | troubled: the rest of the magic is bios ennumeration of topology for stride size in the raid0 case or active+nondirty mirrors in the raid1 case |
| 08:04.36 | troubled | xushi: checkinstall. ive never heard of it as a package before in stable :/ |
| 08:04.47 | xushi | hehe, yea, you're right |
| 08:05.33 | vy | HardDisk_WP: You were right, there weren't any arrays created. I created a RAID5 array of 3 disks, let's see what installer will tell us now. |
| 08:05.40 | xingu | troubled: there's usually nothing to configure - it's literally a case of hey, whatever topology is stored by the userland tools, is what is trusted by the early boot code in bios |
| 08:05.54 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.com/m30a84f89 xingu had to change to .com the log file is over 150k now |
| 08:06.07 | xingu | heh |
| 08:06.20 | troubled | xingu: ie: make the card as cheap as they bloody well can and hire a programmer to make it work :) |
| 08:06.41 | xingu | Pulpie: ok that's still sucking up ati_drv |
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| 08:07.08 | moshii | troubled: may as well just use the kernels md thingy in that case |
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| 08:07.28 | troubled | moshii: interesting view of the problem |
| 08:07.32 | xushi | troubled: thanks, everything works now |
| 08:07.41 | troubled | xushi: wtf are you? |
| 08:07.42 | Pulpie | xingu: GRR why! |
| 08:07.51 | xingu | Pulpie: Matched ati from file name ati.ids in autoconfig <-- that seems to be what's doing the damage. |
| 08:07.57 | xushi | a mutated fish? o_O |
| 08:08.01 | troubled | xushi: ;) np. where that package come from anyways? |
| 08:08.14 | lobak | hello |
| 08:08.16 | xushi | http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/index.php |
| 08:08.17 | troubled | xushi: wtf (who not what :) |
| 08:08.21 | xushi | hehe |
| 08:08.25 | Pulpie | xingu: what do i do? |
| 08:08.40 | troubled | xushi: sorry, my eyes go cross talkin to you and xingu heh |
| 08:08.41 | xushi | a new guy to debian.. gentoo user for years.. in the UK |
| 08:08.46 | lobak | if i install something from source... ./configure && make && make install ...how can i deinstall it back? |
| 08:08.48 | moshii | troubled: if the card has not real hardware, I'd rather use the kernels own software raid.. |
| 08:09.11 | streuner | xushi: forget what you learned before |
| 08:09.11 | moshii | xushi: Brits dont use computers, dont be silly |
| 08:09.16 | plota | make uninstall maybe |
| 08:09.18 | _milligan | I have a hp proliant dl380 server with a 3.2GHz Intel Xeon prosessor. I'm going to virtualize it, and run several machines on it. Should I use vmware or virtualbox ? guest os will include linux and windows. Please reason your suggestion. |
| 08:09.18 | xushi | iouns: either make uninstall, but you have to keep the source folder, or you use checkinstall (link above), which creates a .deb package for you to dpkg later |
| 08:09.29 | troubled | streuner: my apologies btw |
| 08:09.33 | xushi | moshii: unless they discover how to order beer online |
| 08:09.40 | xingu | Pulpie: maybe, just thinking laterally, remove 100271C7 from /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/ati.ids |
| 08:09.41 | streuner | troubled: heh |
| 08:09.43 | moshii | _milligan: or kvm or xen |
| 08:09.55 | _milligan | moshii, no :) |
| 08:09.59 | moshii | xushi: tesco will deliver beer |
| 08:10.07 | xingu | Pulpie: and have a look in there while you're at it, for "fglrx.ids" ? |
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| 08:10.09 | lobak | plota: thanks |
| 08:10.14 | streuner | troubled: wtf are you talking about? |
| 08:10.37 | xushi | moshii: getting technical, tesco doesn't have guinness extra cold :) (i can see it coming, brits don't drink that ) |
| 08:10.51 | moshii | _milligan: so you're going to use either of two closed/part-close products instead of xen or kvm? |
| 08:10.52 | HardDisk_WP | vy, yeah, now the installer should see /dev/sdX somewhere |
| 08:10.52 | troubled | streuner: the pic I made of you :( |
| 08:11.06 | Pulpie | remove what from where? |
| 08:11.07 | _milligan | moshii, correct |
| 08:11.29 | troubled | xushi: you can order beer online!? |
| 08:11.47 | troubled | xushi: so gentoo huh? can't beat em, join em? ;) |
| 08:11.52 | xingu | Pulpie: it's a text file containing NNNNMMMM NNNN=pci vendor MMMM=pci device |
| 08:12.01 | Pulpie | ok thats removed |
| 08:12.05 | xushi | troubled: in a technical way, yea... some supermarkets here allow online delivery. |
| 08:12.08 | xingu | Pulpie: it seems to be what xorg is using to autoload drivers these days |
| 08:12.28 | xushi | troubled: hehe, well i still like it :) but the market demands debian/redhat, so i'm switching to learn now |
| 08:12.36 | Pulpie | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.40 | xingu | Pulpie: now put tweaks back into xorg.conf - fglrx driver, defaultdepth, and Device option in screen section |
| 08:12.44 | troubled | ponders the thought, then smiless |
| 08:12.46 | xingu | Pulpie: then try try tryyyyy again |
| 08:12.53 | Pulpie | dies |
| 08:13.04 | troubled | xushi: ya, lucked out with debian and ubtunu |
| 08:13.05 | Pulpie | If this doesn't work this time are you out of ideas? |
| 08:13.27 | xingu | I'd say this is a pretty reasonable guess |
| 08:13.51 | troubled | !8ball |
| 08:13.51 | dpkg | reply hazy, try again |
| 08:13.53 | Pulpie | well here goes the log out. |
| 08:13.56 | troubled | pffft |
| 08:14.11 | troubled | glares at dpkg |
| 08:14.25 | Pulpie | well here goes the reboot process |
| 08:14.28 | kgod | troubled: Why would anyone need a trouble daemon? |
| 08:14.44 | troubled | kgod: why not? |
| 08:14.59 | kgod | troubled: Good answer. |
| 08:15.44 | Pulpie | xingu: rebooting back in |
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| 08:16.23 | badcfe | is it not good to install xload on a production server and forward its window to ones local X server desktop? |
| 08:16.46 | kgod | badcfe: cacti |
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| 08:16.57 | badcfe | its possible to do that over ssh right? |
| 08:17.14 | badcfe | kgod: oh. thats web. so thats more secure than ssh tunel? |
| 08:18.37 | kgod | badcfe: The default transport is SNMP, which isn't particularly secure (it's rather markedly not), but if you want to monitor load (and other stats) on numerous servers, I'd probably go w/ Cacti rather than ssh -X forwarding a bunch of xload clients. |
| 08:18.44 | sandman | Is there an RDesktop-type daemon or something of that sort for Linux that carries everything over to the client, such as printers and sound? |
| 08:18.46 | kgod | badcfe: ... not that I haven't done that in the past. |
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| 08:19.27 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026846 xingu |
| 08:19.31 | kgod | sandman: xrdp |
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| 08:19.46 | troubled | why nobody say vnc anymore? |
| 08:19.47 | kgod | sandman: ... or so 'aptitude search RDP' suggests. |
| 08:20.11 | kgod | troubled: It's slow, it's not secure by default, and tunneling it is a bit of a bitch. |
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| 08:20.31 | xingu | Pulpie: and you _definitely_ removed 100271C7 from ati.ids ? |
| 08:20.38 | troubled | i think tunneling in general is a pita |
| 08:20.50 | xingu | Pulpie: ... because the driver's managed to find it again in there... |
| 08:20.52 | troubled | never thought it to be that slow though |
| 08:21.00 | Pulpie | yeah |
| 08:21.03 | Pulpie | I removed it |
| 08:21.15 | troubled | and besides, if you got putty, might as well know 2 birds out with one stone (tunnel+crypto) |
| 08:21.44 | troubled | knock* |
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| 08:22.12 | troubled | !scramble I cant type tonight :/ |
| 08:22.13 | dpkg | I cnat tpye tginoht :/ |
| 08:22.15 | kgod | troubled: vnc's a lot less responsive than RDP. |
| 08:22.27 | kgod | troubled: ... NX is pretty good also, BTW. |
| 08:22.31 | Pulpie | xingu: [ "100271C7" not found ] |
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| 08:22.33 | sandman | Hm. Interesting. XRDP depends on the "hurd" package =) |
| 08:22.37 | sandman | That's neat++, I think. |
| 08:22.46 | troubled | kgod: always thought that was what nic speed was all about ;) |
| 08:22.58 | troubled | kgod: NX? never heard of it |
| 08:23.01 | kgod | troubled: No, there's latencies in VNC itself. |
| 08:23.06 | kgod | troubled: NoMachine. |
| 08:23.10 | xingu | Pulpie: hmm; maybe try removing the xserver-xorg-video-ati package |
| 08:23.13 | kgod | troubled: Debian packages for client and server. |
| 08:23.14 | SparFux | I get an empty window when starting gajim in debian unstable. Why is that?? |
| 08:23.19 | Pulpie | k |
| 08:23.28 | xingu | Pulpie: bit of a blunt hammer approach, but you get the general idea. |
| 08:23.30 | troubled | kgod: sure, and there are openssl bugs in debian too, but things get fixed and change over time ;) |
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| 08:23.40 | Pulpie | xingu: should i purge? |
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| 08:24.05 | xingu | Pulpie: make sure you have a copy of it in /var/cache/apt/archives for reinstall |
| 08:24.12 | xingu | Pulpie: but yeah, I think purge is the go. |
| 08:24.30 | vy | Which installation CD I should use for Intel EM64 architectures? |
| 08:24.45 | Pulpie | xserver-xorg-video-ati_1%3a6.8.0-1_i386.deb |
| 08:24.49 | Pulpie | xingu: thats it right |
| 08:25.23 | vy | ia64? |
| 08:25.32 | Pulpie | xingu: xserver-xorg-video-all* xserver-xorg-video-ati* |
| 08:25.46 | Pulpie | xingu: it wants to remove all when I try to remove ati |
| 08:26.06 | Pulpie | this ok? |
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| 08:26.38 | troubled | vy: you got an itanium64? |
| 08:27.07 | wols_ | Pulpie: not really |
| 08:27.14 | wols_ | vy: amd64 |
| 08:27.21 | Pulpie | wols_: well what should i do? |
| 08:27.31 | vy | troubled: Quad-Core Intel E5410 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/Details.aspx?sSpec=SLANW) But I couldn't find any installation media for em64t architecture. |
| 08:27.34 | xingu | Pulpie: no, don't do that, hmm. |
| 08:27.36 | vy | wols_: Thanks. |
| 08:27.37 | wols_ | Pulpie: adding the proper driver didn't help? |
| 08:27.58 | Pulpie | nope |
| 08:28.04 | Pulpie | its being a paine |
| 08:28.09 | xingu | wols_: xorg is _autoloading_ ati_drv |
| 08:28.15 | vy | wols_: What's the relation between amd64 and em64t? |
| 08:28.20 | Pulpie | ati seriously hates 1650 users |
| 08:28.23 | xingu | wols_: tried removing the id from ati.ids but still doing it |
| 08:28.46 | wols_ | vy: they are the same |
| 08:29.03 | wols_ | xingu: that#S not what I asked. did you explicitly load the driver? |
| 08:29.20 | troubled | wols_: whats the point of the ia64 then? |
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| 08:29.42 | wols_ | troubled: itanium. intel wanted to establish a new arch. it didn't work |
| 08:29.48 | xingu | wols_: yes |
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| 08:29.52 | wols_ | pesky x86 has too much competition |
| 08:30.08 | xingu | wols_: it's not getting that far though; the ati autoload seems to have a higher precedence |
| 08:30.09 | troubled | wols_: ah, so its _only_ itaniums then? |
| 08:30.40 | wols_ | !ia64 |
| 08:30.40 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 08:31.14 | Pulpie | I cant believe its giving this much trouble |
| 08:31.22 | vy | !amd64 |
| 08:31.23 | dpkg | well, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 08:31.30 | vy | !em64t |
| 08:31.30 | dpkg | intel 64 is probably Intel's clone of AMD64 - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64 (/msg dpkg amd64). |
| 08:31.34 | mquin | ia64 wasn't a total failure - it did provide a reasonable replacement for the PA chips, and I don't think intel really expected it to displace the x86 |
| 08:31.55 | Pulpie | my radeon 9800 didn't have to go through this much to work |
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| 08:33.28 | vy | HardDisk_WP: wols_: Thanks so much. |
| 08:33.33 | troubled | wols_: huh, intesting. ta |
| 08:33.48 | troubled | intresting* |
| 08:33.59 | vy | troubled: Thank you too. |
| 08:34.02 | HardDisk_WP | vy, np |
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| 08:34.16 | troubled | vy: i lucked out though ;) |
| 08:34.38 | xingu | Pulpie: maybe try adding a Module section with: Disable "ati" |
| 08:35.16 | HardDisk_WP | thinks the new xorg configure way SUCKS |
| 08:35.47 | wols_ | mquin: they expected it to replace Xeons. and x86 was never supposed to have 64bitness either |
| 08:35.49 | HardDisk_WP | i cant switch now between vesa and nvidia now with dpkg-reconfigure, which pretty sucks when you experiment with kernel building |
| 08:35.53 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: bigtime |
| 08:36.06 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 08:36.13 | wols_ | it sucks bigtime |
| 08:36.23 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026865 xingu like that |
| 08:36.40 | wols_ | it violates a core principle: what if the autoconfig doesn't work |
| 08:36.43 | Pulpie | xingu: anything else? |
| 08:37.01 | HardDisk_WP | wols_, do you know who invented this shit? |
| 08:37.06 | wols_ | X people |
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| 08:37.10 | xingu | Pulpie: the other grab bag we've collected so far; driver, defaultdepth, and device options |
| 08:37.13 | wols_ | gravity apparently likes it IIRC |
| 08:37.13 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 08:37.39 | wols_ | the idea to do it is not bad, but the overall implementation is |
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| 08:37.43 | xingu | the _last_ thing I want to do is start a bitchfest, I _like_ the idea we're moving to automagic soup |
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| 08:37.50 | xingu | but binding order (user control of) is important |
| 08:38.00 | Pulpie | .... |
| 08:38.08 | wols_ | xingu: I like the idea. but implementation I doN't like one bit. lots of work there to do |
| 08:38.19 | xingu | Pulpie: if you've got all of that lot then it's time to unplug and pray again |
| 08:38.22 | wols_ | Pulpie: can you please paste full xorg.conf? |
| 08:38.29 | xingu | yeah, do that too :) |
| 08:38.32 | Pulpie | wols_: no but ill pasteBIN |
| 08:38.54 | Pulpie | all the # stuff is taken off when testing |
| 08:38.54 | troubled | xingu: long as the soup works with crackers :) |
| 08:39.02 | xingu | I still don't get why xorg is autoloading ati driver with no matching ati.ids entry |
| 08:39.29 | Pulpie | same |
| 08:39.49 | xingu | I'm guessing that something aggregates those ids files - either burned into the driver, or, as a single file that has all the driver+ids in |
| 08:39.50 | troubled | Pulpie: vid card? |
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| 08:40.14 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026866 |
| 08:40.22 | Pulpie | troubled: x1650 radeon POS |
| 08:40.27 | xushi | which is better, install azureus from apt, or manually? |
| 08:40.27 | xingu | Pulpie: ok the only remaining thing I can think of is to take the offending _driver_ out of harms way - mv Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/.ati_drv.so |
| 08:40.41 | wols_ | xushi: always from apt |
| 08:40.42 | xingu | err |
| 08:40.50 | xingu | Pulpie: ok the only remaining thing I can think of is to take the offending _driver_ out of harms way - mv Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/.ati_drv.so |
| 08:40.52 | xushi | thanks |
| 08:41.00 | xingu | argh |
| 08:41.09 | Pulpie | ... |
| 08:41.10 | xingu | Pulpie: mv /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/.ati_drv.so |
| 08:41.15 | xingu | Pulpie: third time lucky. |
| 08:41.15 | troubled | Pulpie: oh joy |
| 08:41.15 | Pulpie | ok ill do that |
| 08:41.37 | Pulpie | xingu: done |
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| 08:41.42 | Pulpie | now time to log out? |
| 08:41.50 | xingu | Pulpie: yup |
| 08:41.56 | Pulpie | Oh god |
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| 08:42.09 | xingu | ? |
| 08:42.19 | Pulpie | Ugh reboot time brb logging out then most likely rebooting (with a fglrx problem hopefully) |
| 08:42.54 | troubled | i say fb X and be done with it |
| 08:43.06 | xingu | heh |
| 08:43.40 | Pulpie | whats fb x? |
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| 08:43.55 | xingu | it's not going to give you hw gl, that's what ;) |
| 08:44.21 | troubled | although, generally not always all that slow compared to vesa days |
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| 08:45.20 | maligor | I wonder what's with evdev/xorg, it keeps loosing keyboard layout |
| 08:47.08 | Pulpie | xingu: x wont start at all |
| 08:47.33 | xingu | interesting |
| 08:47.40 | xingu | Pulpie: paste the log |
| 08:47.57 | xingu | starts to sound like fgrlx xorg driver isn't where it needs to be |
| 08:48.04 | xingu | fglrx |
| 08:48.20 | maligor | or not compatible with lennys Xorg |
| 08:48.27 | maligor | not sure what catalyst version that is |
| 08:48.29 | xingu | hey there's a cool thought |
| 08:48.29 | Pulpie | I cant paste the log |
| 08:48.47 | xingu | Pulpie: copy it, move the ati_drv driver back, ... |
| 08:48.52 | Pulpie | xingu: whats a cool thought |
| 08:48.57 | maligor | sid would have newer version |
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| 08:49.10 | xingu | Pulpie: fyi: we renamed it to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/.ati_drv.so |
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| 08:49.27 | Pulpie | yeah |
| 08:49.30 | maligor | and the ati .run installer .deb's make diverts now even |
| 08:49.34 | xingu | Pulpie: the idea of lenny's fglrx not loading against lenny's xorg |
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| 08:49.45 | SparFux | Does anybody use gajim in unstable? |
| 08:50.02 | xingu | Pulpie: but the logs should show us _something_ new anyway with ati_drv gone. |
| 08:51.17 | maligor | xingu, doesn't lenny have 7.4? |
| 08:51.36 | Pulpie | yeah |
| 08:51.47 | xingu | no idea; I'm nvidia, and track sid :) |
| 08:51.54 | troubled | Pulpie: so sid like problems in stable then? |
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| 08:52.10 | maligor | sid has catalyst 8.4 which is pretty recent |
| 08:52.13 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1026875 |
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| 08:52.26 | Pulpie | troubled: im in lenny |
| 08:52.44 | troubled | not so bad then :) |
| 08:52.49 | xingu | hurrah! finally fglrx is at least loading |
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| 08:53.33 | maligor | strange spot it stops |
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| 08:54.26 | Pulpie | troubled: lenny is not stable |
| 08:54.28 | Pulpie | lenny is testing |
| 08:54.44 | troubled | Pulpie: and I said "not so bad then :)" |
| 08:54.44 | Pulpie | etch is stable |
| 08:54.52 | Pulpie | huh |
| 08:55.00 | Pulpie | yeah fglrx is loading |
| 08:55.10 | Pulpie | but it failed |
| 08:55.13 | troubled | I was saying, at least its not happening to you in stable |
| 08:55.17 | xingu | Pulpie: ok now xorg is stopping just before initting the various extensions |
| 08:55.19 | troubled | rolls eyes |
| 08:55.27 | Pulpie | oooh |
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| 08:55.43 | xingu | the fglrx version seems to be v8.47.3 from those logs fwiw |
| 08:55.49 | Pulpie | well are you saying my video card would work in stable? |
| 08:55.51 | dFence | hrrrm... something's wrong with my dhcpd... seems like it's giving out corrupt data becuase the client won't stop requesting dhcp-lease |
| 08:55.53 | dFence | s |
| 08:56.07 | troubled | Pulpie: probably not, not but lets find out |
| 08:56.14 | troubled | not* find out heh |
| 08:56.20 | Pulpie | lol of course not im not reinstalling |
| 08:56.32 | Pulpie | ugh |
| 08:56.47 | Pulpie | ok |
| 08:56.55 | Pulpie | xingu: the all powerful mind |
| 08:57.02 | Pulpie | whats shall the next step be |
| 08:57.16 | xingu | Pulpie: maybe add "glx" to the list of modules to disable |
| 08:57.22 | troubled | I bet it invoves the word nvidia |
| 08:57.42 | Pulpie | lol |
| 08:57.51 | xingu | laughs |
| 08:57.53 | Pulpie | xingu: buy me an nvidia :P |
| 08:58.21 | vlt | Hello. What is the best way to create a diff from two binary files old.dat and new.dat that I can apply to old.dat later/elsewhere? Is this possible? |
| 08:58.44 | troubled | vlt: ya, sec |
| 08:58.46 | xingu | Pulpie: and change your defaultdepth to 32 too maybe. |
| 08:58.53 | Pulpie | xingu: k |
| 08:59.06 | troubled | vlt: rdiff is one app |
| 08:59.13 | xingu | Pulpie: actually leave that as 24 |
| 08:59.18 | Pulpie | k |
| 08:59.56 | troubled | vlt: maybe xdelta too? |
| 09:00.03 | Pulpie | ugh |
| 09:00.09 | vlt | troubled: Aah, yes! (I still must be sleeping) I use rdiff-backup for years ... but didn't think of it. |
| 09:00.27 | troubled | vlt: :) |
| 09:00.28 | Pulpie | xingu: anything else before logoff |
| 09:00.31 | xingu | Pulpie: um that's about as far as I can take it, I think; if it's not glx, then there's either some conflict between one of the built-in and autoloaded extensions - OR - the notion of fglrx as well as your graphical framebuffer is a no-no |
| 09:00.40 | troubled | vlt: that or svn :) |
| 09:00.53 | troubled | vlt: its the same thing and easy to use on various clients |
| 09:00.59 | Pulpie | whats my graphical framebuffer? |
| 09:01.02 | xingu | Pulpie: it's one of the two; and here we're in fglrx-specific land, and I'm outta my depth with no test hardware... |
| 09:01.14 | xingu | Pulpie: a console that shows penguins on at boot :) |
| 09:01.23 | Pulpie | huh |
| 09:01.49 | xingu | Pulpie: oh fair enough, if your console is running in 80x25 text mode... then you can rule that out. |
| 09:02.28 | xingu | Pulpie: if it's switching to a _graphical_ vesa mode like 1024x768 or whatever then you can rule it in |
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| 09:03.12 | Pulpie | xingu: so if this doesn't work |
| 09:03.17 | Pulpie | im screwed? |
| 09:03.18 | wols_ | got a problem with gnome printing: CUPS (locahost:631) prints testpages fine, gnome doesn't do anything,even when the printer shows up as it should |
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| 09:03.35 | xingu | Pulpie: either way I've got no test rig and no idea about what the likely ati-specific quirks are |
| 09:04.04 | xingu | Pulpie: so it'll be time to lurk with your _last_ bit of info (the xorg log and conf after knocking out ati_drv) |
| 09:04.16 | Ast001 | What is the purpose of gparted program when I can not start it from GUI ? |
| 09:04.21 | liable | wols_: does catting a file to lpr work? |
| 09:04.27 | xingu | Pulpie: and zip around google looking for ati common "the driver won't work" problems. |
| 09:04.32 | liable | wols_: got cupsys-bsd installed? |
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| 09:04.43 | Ast001 | it said I need root privileges and when i become root it said X server refused a connection |
| 09:04.54 | xingu | Pulpie: start by knocking out xorg's glx; it's loading, and it may well conflict with fglrx's glx |
| 09:05.29 | wols_ | liable: no, no /etc/printcap it says |
| 09:05.45 | wols_ | Ast001: gksu |
| 09:06.05 | wols_ | but gnome shouldn't need a printcap should it? |
| 09:06.29 | liable | dunno, i have one. its generated by cupsd |
| 09:06.43 | Pulpie | well that failed xingu and to be honest man, this is not the first time I have had this problem. its on every distro, this was just an update. It does this ever time but this is the farthest i have gotten.... |
| 09:06.47 | Ast001 | thanks |
| 09:06.50 | vlt | troubled: svn can dump and apply binary diff files? |
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| 09:07.32 | troubled | vlt: assuming the person downloading the file already had a previous copy of diff version that is |
| 09:08.13 | alexandru_goia | please help me with this problem : I have a directory with the original sources, and a directory with the .diff files |
| 09:08.13 | xingu | Pulpie: here's another thing to look into: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/02/msg00311.html <-- now this is not _yet_ your problem, you're not even getting that far; but if glxinfo reports the ati renderer, and fglrxinfo reports problems with dri, this is the answer. |
| 09:08.18 | troubled | otherwise they would be able to fresh checkout a file without having a copy already. sorta extra benifit i guess |
| 09:08.28 | alexandru_goia | how do I update the original sources ? |
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| 09:08.49 | xingu | Pulpie: try your luck disabling xorg glx module |
| 09:09.05 | alexandru_goia | please help me |
| 09:09.08 | troubled | vlt: how well it stacks up against a dedicated binary diff tool though, I do not know |
| 09:09.08 | Pulpie | xingu: i dont know how man |
| 09:09.14 | xingu | Pulpie: it may be that simple (in addition to the full gamut of stuff; disable ati_drv.so, tweak xorg.conf) |
| 09:09.32 | xingu | Pulpie: modules section: Disable "glx" |
| 09:09.48 | wols_ | liable: so I have to create a printcap file manually? |
| 09:09.55 | mbroeker | alexandru_goia, read the manpage to patch first and then try patch -p0 < ../patches/patch.diff |
| 09:10.01 | plota | the rute users guide might be handy for that |
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| 09:10.12 | liable | wols_: # This file was automatically generated by cupsd(8) from the |
| 09:10.13 | liable | # /etc/cups/printers.conf file. All changes to this file |
| 09:10.14 | liable | # will be lost. |
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| 09:10.20 | liable | thats what mine says |
| 09:10.23 | Pulpie | xingu: did that it failed |
| 09:10.34 | wols_ | liable: that's groovy but why don't I have it? cups has my printer just fine |
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| 09:11.51 | liable | wols_: not sure. |
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| 09:12.16 | vlt | troubled: I tool xdelta and it worked really great. Thank you. |
| 09:12.23 | vlt | *took |
| 09:12.32 | troubled | vlt: http://subversion.tigris.org/svn_1.4_releasenotes.html skip down to "Binary Delta Encoding Improvements (client and server)" |
| 09:12.47 | troubled | vlt: "Subversion uses the xdelta algorithm to compute differences between strings of bytes" |
| 09:13.00 | troubled | so guess its the same heh |
| 09:13.01 | vlt | troubled: hehe |
| 09:13.09 | Pulpie | xingu: fglrx-glx I should remove this huh? |
| 09:13.28 | fluxdude | i've been trying to find out the speed of the ram on one of my remote servers so I can go and buy some more but am not having any luck with dmidecode as it gives speed unknown on this box (it's version 2.7, but version 2.9 from my workstation copied over there also doesn't manage to find the speed, just says unknown for speed). Any other ideas on how I can find out the ram speed of the remote box? |
| 09:13.34 | troubled | vlt: although using svn to copy a file once or twice is probably overkill |
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| 09:13.52 | xingu | Pulpie: eh? no, you want that |
| 09:13.53 | wols_ | fluxdude: what cpu and chipset? |
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| 09:14.16 | xingu | Pulpie: try adding: Load "GLcore" to the modules section |
| 09:14.19 | Pulpie | xingu: I dunno what to do |
| 09:14.21 | Pulpie | ok |
| 09:16.50 | xingu | afk |
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| 09:17.24 | dFence | AAAA god damnit... i'm basically using the dhcpd.conf that came with dhcp3-server (only removed the nameserver parts) but the client won't stop sending dhcp requests |
| 09:17.52 | troubled | bets on vista :) |
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| 09:19.12 | Pulpie | ugh |
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| 09:19.19 | Pulpie | xingu: any other ideas? |
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| 09:23.17 | dFence | seriously.. i mean what's so bad about vista? |
| 09:23.23 | dFence | runs for cover |
| 09:24.08 | Guerin | weakest troll evar |
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| 09:25.41 | hellues | i am using debian |
| 09:25.52 | hellues | and i tryu to write module kernel module |
| 09:26.03 | hellues | i took hello_world.c:1:55: error: linux/module.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:26.03 | hellues | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.09 | hellues | is it a problem on debian |
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| 09:28.34 | utrrrongeeb_ | Where is the system default character encoding set? MousePad seems to think it's something non-Unicode, so how can I change that? |
| 09:28.44 | vlt | Before I re-invent the wheel: Does anyone know a tool that takes a cddb file and a list of mp3 files and applies proper id3v2 tags (and for some extra points renames the files)? Maybe a certain secret `abcde` option? I know that "abcde" does exactly this ... |
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| 09:30.02 | fluxdude | wols_: dunno |
| 09:30.16 | fluxdude | wols_: it's a dual core dual cpu opteron box, that's all I know |
| 09:30.53 | esteel | utrrrongeeb_: iirc /etc/default/locales ? |
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| 09:31.11 | wd_ | just installed kernel 2.6.8-4 for sarge, on reboot computer sits after i choose new kernel image, initrd, savedefault, boot and that's it just sits? |
| 09:31.54 | utrrrongeeb_ | esteel: Thanks! |
| 09:32.08 | wd_ | wait do i have to make menuconfig and all that or just aptitude install "kernel" should be fine? |
| 09:32.59 | themill | wd_: what message is it sitting at? |
| 09:33.03 | utrrrongeeb_ | esteel: Unfortunately, it's up to date. Where must MousePad be checking to get some ANSI encoding? |
| 09:34.38 | wd_ | themill, i chose new kernel to boot into and it runs through "root", "filesystem type", "kernel /boot/", "initrd", "savedefault", "boot"... that's it. |
| 09:35.03 | wols_ | fluxdude: registered DDR2 |
| 09:35.06 | esteel | utrrrongeeb_: no idea then.. sorry |
| 09:35.17 | wols_ | fluxdude: tho possiblý with ECC too |
| 09:35.18 | wd_ | themill, just sits after 'boot'. |
| 09:35.24 | wols_ | fluxdude: lshw might help |
| 09:35.29 | utrrrongeeb_ | esteel: Thanks anyway--I hadn't noticed that file before... |
| 09:35.45 | esteel | :) |
| 09:35.55 | wols_ | hellues: install kernel headers |
| 09:35.56 | xored | hello. I have a AMD X2 5600 with 2GB ram on a debian etch (64bit) Somehow htop shows me, that only the first cpu is "doing somehting". It even jumps up to the usage fo 100% while the sencond CPU is still in idle. Any ideas? |
| 09:36.23 | wols_ | xored: what kernel? |
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| 09:36.32 | wols_ | uname -a |
| 09:36.41 | xored | Linux impressive-media.de 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 09:37.00 | wols_ | that is no uname-a output |
| 09:37.08 | wols_ | xored: debian kernel? |
| 09:37.09 | xored | Linux impressive-media.de 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat Dec 22 20:43:59 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 09:37.16 | vy | There are lots of dummy users listed in /etc/passwd which have valid shells. What is the reason behind they didn't use /bin/false or some sort of NOLOGIN for those users? |
| 09:37.28 | wols_ | vy: which users? |
| 09:37.31 | wd_ | themill, i'm using sarge, just installed this.. kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot wget bzip2 |
| 09:37.33 | ion_bidon | hello; anyone knows how to set the default _umask_ when copying files with *scp* ? |
| 09:37.39 | xored | wols_: i cant remember i compiled a own one or not. What could make the diffrence? |
| 09:37.50 | wols_ | xored: smp support or not |
| 09:38.03 | xored | wols_: I`ll check |
| 09:38.09 | wols_ | xored: grep SMP /boot/config* |
| 09:38.30 | vy | wols_: For instance: libuuid, gnats, uucp, news, sync, sys, etc. |
| 09:38.32 | wols_ | xored: you also need stuff that actually uses 2 cores |
| 09:38.33 | wd_ | themill, do i have to run menconfig or aptitude install is all i need? |
| 09:38.45 | xored | CONFIG_SMP=y |
| 09:38.45 | xored | CONFIG_SUSPEND_SMP=y |
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| 09:38.57 | xored | wols_: MYSQL should do that, or ( 5.x) |
| 09:39.12 | wols_ | xored: depends on load |
| 09:39.15 | themill | wd_: aptitude install kernel-image-blahblahblah should be sufficient unless you have a highly modified grub config |
| 09:39.20 | wols_ | do you have two cpus in cpuinfo? |
| 09:39.26 | xored | wols_: 100% should force him to use the second on.. |
| 09:39.37 | xored | wols_: 100% load on the first CPU |
| 09:39.43 | wols_ | xored: no |
| 09:39.59 | wols_ | a single threaded program will only use that cpu |
| 09:40.04 | xored | wols_: couldnt it be also a scheduler setting? |
| 09:40.10 | xored | wols_: oh. |
| 09:40.30 | wols_ | you can set affinity IIRC. maybe try to offload it to 2nd core |
| 09:40.49 | xored | wols_: any howto to do that? |
| 09:40.55 | wd_ | themill, hmmm actually i used floppy sarge disk to install which came with a 2.5.27-586 kernel.. i'm following this but i didn't do the menuconfig part just aptitude install...http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21 |
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| 09:41.19 | wd_ | themill, 2.4.27-586... sorry. |
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| 09:41.39 | SparFux | That's strange. I get empty windows in gajim on startup. Nowhere there is anything written about this problem. Not even debian bugs. |
| 09:41.42 | themill | wd_: are you just installing sarge now? |
| 09:41.58 | wd_ | themill, i wanted to copy old config over.. no i had sarge already. |
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| 09:43.16 | vy | wols_: Any comments? |
| 09:44.14 | wd_ | themill, this is weird.. everytime i tried to install sarge with 2.6 floppy img even etch i had to abort because network wasn't configing...so i'm stuck with 2.4 but look...read bottom.. http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 09:44.41 | wd_ | themill, he used 2.6 kernel. |
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| 09:48.23 | wols_ | wd qhat NIC?= |
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| 09:52.31 | dimir | what was the one-liner to upgrade from stable to testing? |
| 09:52.37 | dimir | how to ask from dpkg? |
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| 09:53.09 | dimir | /msg dpkg dist-upgrade has some clues |
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| 09:54.03 | esteel | dimir: well update /etc/apt/sources.list and do aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 09:54.21 | esteel | dimir: well update /etc/apt/sources.list and do aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 09:54.51 | dimir | ye |
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| 09:56.44 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 10:02.56 | themill | dimir: /topic |
| 10:02.57 | dimir | hoi |
| 10:03.10 | dimir | themill: :-D thx |
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| 10:08.03 | gribouille | hi |
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| 10:08.59 | gribouille | how can I get the list of packages that depend on a specific package ? |
| 10:09.19 | joonas_ | any ideas why is my nss_ldap unable to connect to localhost ldap (running slapd)? everything is almost configuration (after going through the package configuration) ? |
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| 10:09.39 | streuner | gribouille: /msg dpkg depends <package> |
| 10:09.44 | vy | gribouille: apt-cache [r]depends <package> |
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| 10:10.53 | gribouille | vy ok, thanks |
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| 10:11.04 | joonas_ | or to be more specific; nss_ldap fails because of invalid credentials.. however it should be using anonymous, which was the "default" setting of package's debconf |
| 10:11.42 | alex12 | im looking to create a SSL server so i can authenticate my own SSL certs.. anyone know of any guides that could point me in the right direction? |
| 10:12.07 | alex12 | second questio |
| 10:12.08 | alex12 | n |
| 10:12.10 | the-dude | openssl.org has documentation |
| 10:12.19 | alex12 | in debian, how can i add someone as a sudo user? |
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| 10:12.32 | the-dude | man visudo |
| 10:14.30 | alex12 | thanks |
| 10:14.31 | alex12 | and thanks |
| 10:14.33 | themill_ | alex12: /msg dpkg self signed ssl cert |
| 10:14.51 | wd_ | themill_, what do u think? |
| 10:15.11 | alex12 | thanks mill |
| 10:15.41 | alex12 | just double checking - once i have my own self signed cert, i would also like it to authenticate with my own server, to ensure that no pop ups appear saying "cert invalid" blah blah |
| 10:15.42 | alex12 | etc |
| 10:16.16 | joonas_ | alex12: wouldn't that require you installing those certificates as trusted in your browsers? |
| 10:16.52 | themill_ | wd_: what did you actually install? |
| 10:17.28 | Dewi | oh. my. god. |
| 10:17.43 | Dewi | why to never play with bash as root on a production server: 'kill 1' does NOT mean kill *job* 1 |
| 10:17.55 | mbroeker | aleex, copy your own CA-Certificate on your webspace, rename the copied file to root.crt and click on it. It will install it this way in any kind of gui-browser without problems. |
| 10:17.59 | themill_ | Dewi: oops |
| 10:18.31 | HardDisk_WP | owned^^ |
| 10:18.35 | Dewi | themill_: it's friday, 20:18. I'm just going out the door to get drink. I "kill off job 1 before I leave" |
| 10:18.38 | Dewi | sighs. |
| 10:18.58 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 10:19.13 | Dewi | oh thank god it wasn't lying about the reboot |
| 10:19.22 | Dewi | I have ping again |
| 10:19.25 | themill_ | Dewi: there are worse things to do |
| 10:20.13 | alex12 | joonas_, no, for example. just confirming this ..... if i were to goto a SSL site, that ssl cert isnt certified - because it couldnt connect to the auth server or for some reason |
| 10:20.23 | alex12 | would this: /msg dpkg self signed ssl cert - avoid that? |
| 10:20.29 | Dewi | themill_: yeah. I guess it's nice to know you can reboot a linux box using a shell builtin and no punctuation |
| 10:20.36 | alex12 | or would i have to create a cert auth server too etc? |
| 10:21.30 | wd_ | themill_, just 2.6.8 kernel. |
| 10:21.41 | Dewi | wd_: ew! I have one of those too |
| 10:21.54 | wd_ | Dewi, ? |
| 10:22.02 | wd_ | Dewi, laptop? |
| 10:22.05 | themill_ | alex12: it's just another way of doing this. Unless you pay for someone else to sign your certificate, you either need to import the CA root cert or the server cert into any browser that you want to avoid the "this certificate is untrusted" warning. |
| 10:22.52 | alex12 | yeah, true, the thing is, i dont want to pay someone else to sign my certs :P |
| 10:23.05 | alex12 | trying to figure it out for free |
| 10:23.06 | themill_ | alex12: funny that |
| 10:23.07 | alex12 | :) |
| 10:23.20 | wd_ | themill_, strange i rebooted and chose old kernel.. it's fine.. i notice this one says uncompressing linux... do i need to do "menuconfig" for 2.6 kern? |
| 10:23.26 | mbroeker | alex12, the big ca authorities like verisign and thawte are known to all browsers, because these browser ship with a ca-certificate.crt file or a ca-bundle.crt your self-made root-ca is not in this list and so, cannot be verified. |
| 10:23.31 | alex12 | im sure there must be a way to create a server to sign your certs, or others certs |
| 10:23.39 | alex12 | ahhhhh |
| 10:23.42 | alex12 | ok i understand now |
| 10:25.09 | themill_ | wd_: the howto you gave me the link for is about compiling your kernel yet you tell me you installed it via aptitude. I'm not sure what you've done and what you are trying to achieve here. |
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| 10:26.40 | wd_ | themill_, ok i'm trying to achieve getting and installing a new kernel? yes i linked that..i was reading it but i realized that i can do apt-get or aptitude new kernel instead. |
| 10:27.17 | wd_ | themill_, how do i upgrade kernel? |
| 10:27.37 | NetNiet | Hi, Is there a way to tell in "Interfaces" that the interface sould limit it self to 10Mb and not go in the 100MB connection with the router ? |
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| 10:28.54 | themill_ | wd_: I've not used sarge for years so I'm not really able to help you with this one. |
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| 10:29.00 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 10:29.23 | NetNiet | I'm doing a netinstalling on a 400Mhz laptop .. when fetching the packages it first go nuts and then loses the connection |
| 10:29.50 | kibibyte | what distro |
| 10:29.50 | kibibyte | ? |
| 10:29.53 | kibibyte | lenny? |
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| 10:30.59 | NetNiet | wd_ did you already do a dist-upgrade ? |
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| 10:31.47 | kibibyte | i had problem with netinstall of lenny |
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| 10:33.24 | naiv | i need a hand plz, i can't reach www because my dns nameservers are down, anyone got one free ? |
| 10:33.28 | NetNiet | I had the same ... the internet whas to dfast for my machine :-) |
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| 10:34.05 | Eulex | naiv, opendns.com |
| 10:34.24 | naiv | Eulex, thank you but i need an ip ;p |
| 10:34.32 | kibibyte | naiv, whats domain anme |
| 10:34.34 | kibibyte | name |
| 10:34.43 | kibibyte | oh |
| 10:35.02 | naiv | you know, something to put in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:35.07 | xored | in which package "bc" is included ? |
| 10:35.31 | mquin | xored: 'bc' |
| 10:35.34 | mbroeker | xored, in bc iteself |
| 10:35.42 | Eulex | naiv, "Our nameservers are 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220." |
| 10:35.43 | xored | thank you |
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| 10:36.51 | kibibyte | naiv, try 194.204.152.34 |
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| 10:38.37 | naiv | thank you all, someone on #perl gave me this one which works good ! 4.2.2.4 |
| 10:39.34 | grand_grunt | naiv: thera are also 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 10:39.57 | zd32nv | how do i list installed packages in order of most recent? |
| 10:40.40 | x03 | hi |
| 10:41.20 | streuner | zd32nv: dpkg -l? |
| 10:41.33 | naiv | good ! |
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| 10:42.04 | streuner | zd32nv: or just check out /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 10:42.48 | grand_grunt | naiv: he he, I found many DNS in 4.2.2.* http://blog.uggy.org/category/DNS-Bind |
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| 10:43.41 | naiv | that's quite simple to memorize :D |
| 10:44.27 | grand_grunt | Yes, and they seem to be free. I mean there are not DNS of only one Internet provider |
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| 10:45.41 | joonas_ | does anyone know using which credentials does libpam-ldap try to login to ldap server if none are provided? |
| 10:45.59 | naiv | yep these ips are working well here |
| 10:46.08 | joonas_ | i keep getting pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid credentials) while anonymous searches (ldapsearch -x -h localhost) work |
| 10:46.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | joonas_, anon |
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| 10:48.08 | joonas_ | Kamping_Kaiser: i do have in my slapd.conf (the default): access to attrs=userPassword,shadowLastChange by dn="cn=admin,dc=domain,dc=com" write by anonymous auth by self write by * none, shouldn't that allow pam_ldap to authenticate using anonymous? |
| 10:48.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | joonas_, not sure, i havent got a good grip on ldap |
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| 10:52.03 | bbinotto | hi,I have server with debian, i wanted to reinstall debian and I used the cd to boot and install, with the partitioner of the installer i deleted the partitions |
| 10:52.21 | streuner | fine |
| 10:52.36 | alex12 | bbinotto, then its gone? |
| 10:52.39 | bbinotto | After the installation, debina was running, but there was old data around on the system, how can that be? |
| 10:52.57 | bbinotto | debian |
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| 10:53.22 | joonas_ | anyone around with some ldap setup experience? |
| 10:55.21 | Eulex | bbinotto, so you didn't tell it to use any of the existing partitions? |
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| 10:55.49 | bbinotto | no, i deleted all partitions first |
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| 10:57.14 | bbinotto | is it possible that when I choose the exact same partitions layout as before (sizes), that old data stays around? |
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| 10:58.29 | Sling | as long as you dont write any data to the sectors containing the data, it should be retrievable |
| 10:58.35 | Sling | matter of reconstructing inodes |
| 10:58.50 | Sling | but it wont just stay there, visible to the fs |
| 10:59.02 | Eulex | but the files shouldn't be there by default if the partitions are recreated |
| 10:59.10 | Eulex | which seems to be what bbinotto is implying |
| 10:59.54 | fysaen | hi, i have little issue with 2.6.24.5 + grsec compination.. When i boot up my new kernel i get "Begin: waiting for root file system".... what's wrong? |
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| 11:00.44 | Eulex | fysaen, it's waiting for the root file system to be mounted. did you compile in support for your ide/sata chipset and the file system you're using? |
| 11:01.04 | fysaen | Eulex: yes of course dude :D |
| 11:01.17 | Eulex | statically, and not as modules? |
| 11:01.26 | Eulex | or are you using an initrd? |
| 11:01.33 | fysaen | yes and yes |
| 11:01.53 | Eulex | does a vanilla kernel work? |
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| 11:02.14 | fysaen | yes, it works perfectly |
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| 11:03.09 | Eulex | then you probably did something wrong anyway. or it's the patching that is doing it. |
| 11:03.33 | fysaen | Yep maybe... i'll try again.. |
| 11:03.49 | Eulex | I can't say that I'm familiar with grsec |
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| 11:05.18 | fysaen | Okey, thx for little help Eulex =) |
| 11:06.12 | infernix | i've upgraded to sid and For some very strange reason, when i switch windows to any program - be it Eterm, skype, xchat - the first letter I type will be in CAPS. |
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| 11:06.40 | infernix | does anyone have the slightest idea what might be the cause of this? I've no idea where to look. xorg? my window manager? kernel settings? |
| 11:06.45 | xushi | how does one copy text from links2 ? |
| 11:06.50 | xushi | the gui links2 |
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| 11:09.31 | tarzeau | xushi: just select it with the mouse? |
| 11:09.51 | xushi | tarzeau: hmm, that pastes the whole thing into 1 line in nano... |
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| 11:09.58 | xushi | but better than nothing i guess |
| 11:10.01 | infernix | Hm, its only with my G15 keyboard, not my laptop keyboard. weird. |
| 11:10.07 | tarzeau | xushi: maybe nano is broken? |
| 11:10.34 | tarzeau | xushi: indeed... |
| 11:10.42 | tarzeau | xushi: do you know fold ? |
| 11:10.46 | tarzeau | xushi: or links2 -dump ? |
| 11:10.53 | xushi | no, but i can learn :) |
| 11:10.59 | tarzeau | xushi: fold is really cool |
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| 11:11.53 | infernix | lol, removed usb keyboard and reinserted, problem gone. my keyboard is bugged >.< |
| 11:11.53 | reZo | i killall'ed xfce-desktop and window manager earlier, however i must of saved the state, because it's not appearing with everything xfce4 should load at startup, how do i get back the window manager etc? |
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| 11:12.18 | zd32nv | streuner: thanks (sorry for the delay) When packages get installed, is there a generated file that goes in a direcotry? |
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| 11:12.30 | zd32nv | that i can ls -t? |
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| 11:16.30 | reZo | how do i reset a session state back to default? |
| 11:17.13 | wols_ | which session? |
| 11:17.47 | wols_ | zd32nv: no |
| 11:18.02 | wols_ | as streuner said: check the log |
| 11:18.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | do you think a dd who has no bugs open on a package would kill me for filing a bug on a typo? |
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| 11:18.19 | dondelelcaro | Kamping_Kaiser: just file it with a patch |
| 11:18.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dondelelcaro, i'll try and make one. thanks. |
| 11:19.07 | wols_ | what special voodoo do I need to print with adobe acrobat and/or lpr? |
| 11:19.10 | xushi | i don't apparently have killall, only kill and killall5. How can i instsall killall? |
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| 11:19.21 | wols_ | !tell xushi about search |
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| 11:20.54 | Agiofws | whats the name for pptp vpn client in debian ? |
| 11:20.59 | themill_ | !pptp |
| 11:20.59 | dpkg | pptp is probably Point to Point Tunneling Protocol, or a a very insecure unreliable way to create tunnels. A few unfortunate ISPs use it to provide service on ethernet connected broadband networks. See also http://www.schneier.com/paper-pptpv2.html Also ask me about <pptp clients> |
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| 11:21.13 | xushi | wols_: susvinit-utils ? |
| 11:21.14 | dbmoodb | is nautilus broken in lenny ? |
| 11:21.28 | meh| | !is-is |
| 11:21.35 | meh| | :( |
| 11:21.38 | Agiofws | themill_, does pptp HAVE anyithing to do with VPN ? |
| 11:21.48 | dbmoodb | yes |
| 11:21.55 | wols_ | xushi: no |
| 11:21.59 | meh| | !ospf |
| 11:21.59 | dpkg | ospf is, like, Open Shortest Path First, or a good open internal routing protocol, or see http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2328.txt |
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| 11:22.04 | joonas_ | Agiofws: AFAIK it's the microsoft vpn |
| 11:22.27 | dbmoodb | you don't want to use it -- not that secure |
| 11:23.29 | joonas_ | just a quick point to everyone trying to install ldap authentication; DONT CONFUSE YOURSELF WITH ADMIN/ROOT account names :D |
| 11:23.50 | dooooo1 | hi , I'm having a problem in gnome . All applications launch minimized . That has nothing to do with the window manager as I tried both Metacity and Compiz . |
| 11:24.23 | dooooo1 | running gnome 2.22 & sid |
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| 11:25.00 | streuner | http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png <- lol |
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| 11:25.33 | xda | hi, how can i install eaccelerator without having to compile it? |
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| 11:25.51 | dbmoodb | xda: is there a package ? |
| 11:26.03 | xda | dbmoodb, in the default repos no |
| 11:26.13 | dbmoodb | so either find one or make your own |
| 11:26.29 | dbmoodb | otherwise convert it to a language the computer interprets :) |
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| 11:28.14 | Micha_Btz | hi all, i hav a problem with cron. It segfaults with May 23 13:00:01 sysiphus kernel: cron[2124]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bfec588c error 4 in cron[8048000+7000] one times per hour. |
| 11:28.23 | xushi | wols_: well could you please help a little? |
| 11:28.32 | xushi | i can only see psmisc and sysvinit-utils when i search |
| 11:28.37 | xushi | that's why i asked here... |
| 11:28.55 | dbmoodb | is konqor.. broken ? |
| 11:29.24 | Micha_Btz | i think this is in cron hourly. but i can not understand the error. |
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| 11:29.35 | streuner | dbmoodb: did you check out BTS yet? |
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| 11:30.04 | dbmoodb | bts ? |
| 11:30.17 | streuner | !bts |
| 11:30.17 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 11:30.22 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 11:30.23 | dbmoodb | forgets |
| 11:30.28 | zd32nv | !remove gnome |
| 11:30.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common |
| 11:30.30 | Micha_Btz | i have set the -L 10 parameter in /etc/default/cron for debugging, but it dont help |
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| 11:38.17 | xushi | can anyone please assist me, where can i find killall? searching `apt-cache search killall` gives me 2 results, psmisc, and sysvinit-utils. Is it one of them? |
| 11:38.27 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 11:38.33 | dbmoodb | dude it is installed no ? unless you removed it |
| 11:38.39 | dbmoodb | try sysv... first |
| 11:38.52 | xushi | dbmoodb: apparently it isn't. I have kill, and killall5. but not killall |
| 11:39.05 | dbmoodb | .... |
| 11:39.07 | dbmoodb | it is for me |
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| 11:39.13 | xushi | hehe |
| 11:39.27 | xushi | dbmoodb: when you installed, did you use the minimal cd? |
| 11:39.30 | xushi | minimal installation? |
| 11:39.37 | dbmoodb | netinstall ? |
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| 11:39.42 | xushi | yea |
| 11:39.46 | dbmoodb | no |
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| 11:39.51 | xushi | i did, maybe that's why |
| 11:39.58 | Bushmills | xushi: pkill, in procps (also pgrep comes with it) is often a good alternativ to killall |
| 11:40.00 | dbmoodb | ... there is a minimal install cd ? |
| 11:40.28 | xushi | dbmoodb: yea, it's like 130m or so |
| 11:40.31 | xushi | very nice one |
| 11:40.42 | xushi | Bushmills: yea i'm used to pkill too, but amuled's init script uses killall.. |
| 11:40.51 | xushi | i'd modify it, but not sure how, maybe easier to get killall |
| 11:41.34 | manju29 | how can we perform voice chat in debian using yahoo id?? |
| 11:41.42 | Bushmills | oh sure. wasn't meaning to say "use this instead" |
| 11:41.43 | Micha_Btz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.43 | Micha_Btz | psmisc: /usr/bin/killall |
| 11:41.43 | dpkg | Package: /usr/bin/killall: Status: install ok installed |
| 11:42.01 | xushi | Bushmills: i'd love to use it instead if i knew how :) but i don't want to mess with it. |
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| 11:42.23 | xushi | thanks Micha_Btz , checking |
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| 11:43.02 | Nyle | hi |
| 11:43.07 | themill_ | xushi: packages.debian.org or apt-file are the easiest things to use. |
| 11:43.13 | Nyle | micah? |
| 11:43.14 | Sebo | Hi!! How can I check which user is running apache2 process |
| 11:43.17 | xushi | themill_: got it. and thanks, it's installed now |
| 11:43.24 | xushi | so far so good |
| 11:43.25 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 11:43.33 | Sebo | i.e. Who owns it |
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| 11:43.36 | Nyle | Micha_Btz, you're not the one fromthe debian etch release party are you? |
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| 11:43.41 | Nyle | nyc |
| 11:43.45 | Eulex | Sebo, ps aux |
| 11:43.48 | xushi | Sebo: you could check the apache config file, or the process |
| 11:44.26 | Sebo | thx: ps aux works :) |
| 11:44.30 | Micha_Btz |  Nyle: no, sadly. |
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| 11:48.47 | Nyle | .didn't think so |
| 11:48.52 | Nyle | that was a micah |
| 11:48.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 11:49.00 | Nyle | now that i remember correcctly |
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| 11:50.45 | Nyle | !ping |
| 11:50.45 | dpkg | pong |
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| 11:53.57 | Nyle | man I woke up late today |
| 11:54.08 | Nyle | 7:30am |
| 11:55.19 | Sebboh | I think it's bad for ifdown to return 0 if you ask it to take down an interface that it can't control.. "ifdown foo0; echo $?" gives: "ifdown: interface foo0 not configured\n0" |
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| 11:57.09 | themill_ | Sebboh: send patches |
| 11:57.11 | Sling | yup thats not very logical |
| 11:57.59 | Sling | ifconfig seems to work correctly, ifup and ifdown not |
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| 12:01.07 | nick01 | anybody else has problems with text not showing in flash things in firefox ? (on sid here) |
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| 12:06.36 | themill_ | nick01: try installing msttcorefonts, that normally solves that problem |
| 12:08.17 | Jacob_H | flash 10 seems to do some wired things too |
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| 12:09.14 | nick01 | themill_, tks lets see |
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| 12:11.55 | nick01 | themill_, yay ! tks- that was annoying |
| 12:12.06 | themill_ | nick01: no worries. |
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| 12:12.35 | wols_ | anyone using acrobat reader under linux? can reader print to non postscript printers or do I need ghostscript PS emulation? |
| 12:12.42 | nick01 | themill_, I dont suppose u'd know how to fix X restarts on running glxinfo or glxgears too ? :) |
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| 12:12.56 | Agiofws | hey |
| 12:12.59 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:12.59 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.59 | Agiofws | E: Broken packages |
| 12:13.12 | Agiofws | nick01, bug ? |
| 12:13.46 | themill_ | wols_: it just prints using lpr so cups will do a PS to whatever conversion on it for you. |
| 12:14.05 | themill_ | Agiofws: this is for pptpconfig? Read their installation instructions again. |
| 12:14.07 | nick01 | Agiofws, probably |
| 12:14.11 | wols_ | themill_: it doesn't here. I need to install "stuff". just dunno what so far |
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| 12:14.34 | wols_ | a2ps or magicfilter? |
| 12:14.36 | themill_ | nick01: not a clue. |
| 12:14.37 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.37 | Agiofws | deb http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptpconfig ./ |
| 12:14.50 | Agiofws | apt-get update |
| 12:14.56 | Agiofws | apt-get install pptpconfig |
| 12:15.00 | Agiofws | no work |
| 12:15.01 | nick01 | themill_, k, its just weird |
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| 12:15.42 | wols_ | !info php-gtk-pcnt |
| 12:15.49 | themill_ | wols_: it's not in debian |
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| 12:16.37 | themill_ | Agiofws: did you "aptitude update" having added that line to your sources.list? |
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| 12:17.21 | kibibyte | hi |
| 12:17.29 | Agiofws | themill_, apt-get update works no ? |
| 12:17.30 | themill_ | wols_: works here... stuffed if I know what I've got installed though to make it work. |
| 12:17.37 | themill_ | Agiofws: that's fine too |
| 12:17.43 | Agiofws | ya |
| 12:17.57 | wols_ | themill_: ghostscript? magicfilter? |
| 12:18.55 | themill_ | wols_: I have gs installed as I also use it for other stuff... |
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| 12:20.33 | sandman | Okay, so I downloaded the latest kernel + Etch ISO, burned it, and booted it on my old Compaq Armada laptop (i586 CPU). Instead of booting, however, it said that I needed to find a kernel appropriate for my CPU.. |
| 12:20.52 | sandman | Would this be because of the nature of the unofficial build? |
| 12:21.32 | Eulex | perhaps, what kernel where you trying? |
| 12:21.37 | sandman | 2.6.24 |
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| 12:21.46 | Eulex | and more? |
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| 12:22.00 | sandman | What do you mean by "and more?"? |
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| 12:22.38 | Eulex | 2.6.24-1-486? 2.6.24-1-686? |
| 12:22.47 | sandman | Hm. Not sure. |
| 12:22.55 | sandman | Downloaded it from that .jp site |
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| 12:23.13 | sandman | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:23.14 | Eulex | you're laptop wouldn't be able to run a 686 kernel |
| 12:23.51 | Agiofws | are ".-" special chars in a password ? |
| 12:24.27 | abrotman | should be -486 |
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| 12:24.54 | sandman | Aha |
| 12:25.05 | Eulex | *your |
| 12:25.06 | Eulex | sandman, what cpu has your laptop got? |
| 12:25.27 | sandman | "modules-2.6.24-1-686" it says @ http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2624-etch3.htm. This leads me to believe it's for 686. Which sucks, since my laptop's CPU is an i586 |
| 12:26.02 | Eulex | sandman, try the official netinst. you shouldn't have any hardware that would work with 2.6.24 but not with 2.6.18 anyway. |
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| 12:26.18 | sandman | Eulex: I do. |
| 12:26.30 | sandman | Eulex: Wireless network card: WPC11 v4 |
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| 12:26.57 | Eulex | do you have a wired nic that you can connect? |
| 12:27.02 | sandman | Nope. |
| 12:27.18 | Eulex | I guess that's a bit of a problem then, yes. |
| 12:27.47 | Eulex | do you have any other means of transferring a kernel image? |
| 12:28.13 | Eulex | you could install a base system using the official netinst, then transfer a kernel image by burning it to a cd-r or something |
| 12:28.21 | sandman | CD-ROM's broken. I had to rip the side off the laptop in order to expose the wires and manually tie in the pins for the CD-ROM from another laptop |
| 12:28.35 | sandman | Had to pull all the wiring out of the bottom of the laptop for it to work. SO I guess I have a CD-ROM, sorta. |
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| 12:28.42 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 12:28.42 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 12:28.46 | xushi | how is it possible to update SWT libraries on debian? I installed azureus, and it says "SWT library loaded from /usr/share/java cant be automatically updated from ver 3235 to 3430. The wiki says i have to do it manually |
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| 12:28.51 | Eulex | yeah, exactly my thoughts :) |
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| 12:29.36 | sandman | How about this |
| 12:29.48 | Eulex | sandman, you could remaster a netinst and put a 2.6.24-1-486 kernel onto it. |
| 12:29.55 | sandman | 2.6.24 is in Debian testing atm, right? |
| 12:30.04 | sandman | Eulex: I don't know how to do that. |
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| 12:30.15 | Eulex | I believe there are instructions lying around |
| 12:30.21 | sandman | And secondly, I would have just used floppy disks for this, since the laptop has a floppy drive. |
| 12:30.33 | sandman | But, I only have a single floppy, which is 10 years old |
| 12:30.41 | sandman | and mbadblocks reveals that it is wrought with crap |
| 12:30.44 | Eulex | hehe |
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| 12:31.31 | Eulex | how were you planning to boot a netinst? |
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| 12:31.50 | sandman | If I could get a 2.6.24 kernel, it will have the realtek drivers I need for the wireless nic |
| 12:32.00 | Eulex | well, but without a working cd-rom? |
| 12:32.04 | jelly | sandman: d-i testing builds have newer kernels, I think. and the etchnhalf wiki page has references on how to install etch using testing d-i |
| 12:32.04 | sandman | Won't need to use NDISWrapper |
| 12:32.17 | sandman | Eulex: The CD-ROM works, that I was describing before |
| 12:32.25 | sandman | It's just that it's a huge PITA to wire it all up again |
| 12:32.29 | Eulex | hehe |
| 12:32.31 | sandman | And then I have to hold the laptop while I'm using it |
| 12:32.39 | sandman | So the wires don't get all tangled |
| 12:32.48 | jelly | sandman: or just install etch proper, and burn another cd with debs for 2.6.24 |
| 12:32.54 | sandman | So I can't set the damn thing down. This has been a real nightmare, but I must make this thing work. It's a matter of principle now. |
| 12:33.06 | Eulex | haha :D |
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| 12:33.35 | Eulex | I believe jelly's suggestions are good ones. |
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| 12:33.50 | nirupama | If I install gnome as well as kde |
| 12:33.53 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 12:33.53 | dpkg | etchnhalf is, like, "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/fjp/ |
| 12:33.57 | nirupama | all my applications get mixed |
| 12:34.20 | nirupama | in gdm I find all the kde applicatuons mixed with gnome app and in kde all gnome applications mingled |
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| 12:34.38 | sandman | is going to try etch + 1/2 |
| 12:34.39 | abrotman | so? |
| 12:34.45 | nirupama | how to solve this and kepp things separated |
| 12:34.46 | Eulex | nirupama, in your menu? |
| 12:34.50 | nirupama | Eulex, yes |
| 12:35.00 | nirupama | Eulex, why things get mixed. |
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| 12:36.17 | nirupama | Eulex, for separate installation do i need to edit preseed file |
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| 12:36.29 | abrotman | they all applications .. i don't see the problem |
| 12:36.32 | Eulex | because the menu entry file format is universal, and they are stored in the same directory for both gnome and kde |
| 12:36.34 | abrotman | they're |
| 12:36.37 | Eulex | nirupama, http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s03.html#desktop-entry-extensions-examples |
| 12:37.05 | sandman | Does the testing installer have an option to boot with 2.6.24? |
| 12:37.21 | abrotman | etchnhalfg? |
| 12:37.23 | Eulex | nirupama, http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#recognized-keys |
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| 12:37.26 | sandman | Just testing |
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| 12:38.06 | Eulex | nirupama, OnlyShowIn=KDE would for example make a .desktop file only appear in the kde menu |
| 12:38.42 | Eulex | note that if you modify a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications, it will get overwritten next time you upgrade that package. |
| 12:39.07 | Eulex | a possible workaround would perhaps be to copy the .desktop file to ~/.local/share/applications and then modify it. |
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| 12:39.48 | nirupama | Eulex, for gnome OnlyShowIn=Gnome will give only gnome applications |
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| 12:40.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:40.43 | abrotman | it used to be that way .. it sucked |
| 12:41.35 | pflanze | Anyone using dmcrypt (on a lenovo thinkpad T61) and experiencing extremely bad performance behaviour with some operations like I do? |
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| 12:42.12 | nirupama | Eulex, ? |
| 12:42.15 | Eulex | nirupama, no. |
| 12:42.31 | nirupama | Eulex, then |
| 12:42.49 | Eulex | nirupama, if you put OnlyShowIn=Gnome in the .desktop file of an application, _that_ application will only show up in Gnome's menu |
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| 12:43.01 | hellues_ | i have a quenstion |
| 12:43.11 | nirupama | Eulex, that is what I meant.sorry my sentence formation was not correct |
| 12:43.30 | abrotman | it used to be that way .. it sucked |
| 12:43.43 | hellues_ | /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686 |
| 12:43.54 | hellues_ | i have build folder but therea re no source folder |
| 12:43.59 | hellues_ | what can i do to fix that |
| 12:44.11 | hellues_ | i must fix because i cant write any kernel module |
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| 12:44.47 | rvsjoen | anyone know of any way to create a raid which spans multiple network hosts ? |
| 12:44.53 | rvsjoen | or if its even possible |
| 12:44.56 | Eulex | hellues_, you don't. you install kernel headers and be done with it. |
| 12:45.11 | abrotman | rvsjoen: there are network fiolesystems |
| 12:45.17 | hellues_ | i have linux-header |
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| 12:48.00 | rvsjoen | hm, yes. will do some research if any of them can do raid |
| 12:48.17 | hellues_ | hellp me lol |
| 12:48.48 | abrotman | lololol |
| 12:49.03 | wols_ | steps away from abrotman |
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| 12:49.49 | mutante | rvsjoen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISCSI |
| 12:50.02 | mquin | rvsjoen: I'd suggest taking a look at linux's network block device system, iSCSI at ATA-over-ethernet |
| 12:50.17 | mquin | s/at ATA/and ATA/ |
| 12:51.06 | rvsjoen | thanks |
| 12:51.14 | hellues_ | hayt |
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| 12:51.33 | hellues_ | i have no source folder in lib module 2.6.24-1 |
| 12:51.37 | hellues_ | why is that |
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| 12:52.17 | nirupama | Eulex, thank you |
| 12:52.20 | checkers | hi, imagemagick currently depends on around 80mb of packages, including many X11 programs (such as firefox). I'd like to install it on a server without much of these packages, is there some way to specify to apt-get to not install a package no matter what? |
| 12:52.46 | hellues_ | i want an answer |
| 12:52.49 | hellues_ | :D:D:D:D |
| 12:53.00 | jelly | checkers: you can make aptitude ignore "Recommends:" |
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| 12:53.32 | jelly | hellues_: I want a pony. |
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| 12:53.57 | hellues_ | what is pony .D |
| 12:53.58 | abrotman | !pony jelly |
| 12:53.58 | dpkg | gives jelly a pony |
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| 12:54.20 | jelly | !nopony hellues_ |
| 12:54.20 | dpkg | hellues_: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 12:54.37 | checkers | jelly: how can I do that? the apt-get manpage doesn't suggest anything |
| 12:54.39 | lvlefisto | when i installed Debian it asked me for a language, my choice was english. Now it is the only language my gnome desktop environment shows me in menus and tooltips. Is it possible to switch language between sessions? i already tried changing the language in the login screen, it has only english. |
| 12:54.52 | jelly | checkers: hm, I thought I said aptitude. |
| 12:54.59 | themill_ | checkers: there's also graphicsmagick |
| 12:55.01 | BeerSerc | Hi there. I have just upgraded a server, and sql-ledger was upgraded from 2.4.7-2 to 2.6.22-2. But that new version is not doing what we want. how can I downgrade that package again? |
| 12:55.04 | checkers | ah |
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| 12:55.16 | jelly | checkers: aptitude --without-recommends install foo, I guess |
| 12:56.02 | jelly | lvlefisto: you'll first have to enable other language support: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 12:56.21 | lvlefisto | thanks jelly |
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| 12:56.37 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 12:56.37 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 12:57.06 | BeerSerc | hm. thx |
| 12:57.41 | ronr | hmm.. methinks downgrade with apt-get is possible, to some extend, using preferences and priorities |
| 12:57.44 | jelly | BeerSerc: you might try to install the version from stable explicitely, but a) you won't be supported here, b) there's no guarantee it will work |
| 12:58.05 | checkers | jelly: bingo thanks :) |
| 12:58.21 | themill_ | !partial downgrade |
| 12:58.21 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 12:59.10 | hellues_ | hey |
| 12:59.26 | BeerSerc | OK thank you all, the dpkg -i <old package> did it. |
| 12:59.33 | hellues_ | there is no source folder in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1/ |
| 12:59.36 | hellues_ | why is that |
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| 13:00.17 | abrotman | gah .. germans! |
| 13:00.19 | wols_ | hellues_: cause it's /lib/modules |
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| 13:00.36 | abrotman | more! |
| 13:00.49 | BeerSerc | abrotman: ? |
| 13:00.50 | jelly | hellues_: because whoever made and installed that custom kernel package, didn't bother to install the correspondent kernel headers package |
| 13:00.52 | wols_ | abrotman: resistance is futile |
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| 13:01.06 | abrotman | BeerSerc: ignore me .. :) |
| 13:01.15 | BeerSerc | hehe OK. |
| 13:02.14 | jelly | hellues_: if the linux-headers-$(uname -r) package was installed, you'd have a /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build symlink |
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| 13:02.44 | abrotman | pony would have been better |
| 13:02.45 | abrotman | !tr |
| 13:02.45 | dpkg | i guess tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 13:03.38 | hellues_ | jelly, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2008-05-22 20:17 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 13:04.01 | hellues_ | is it ? |
| 13:04.02 | tarzeau | BeerSerc: you, here? |
| 13:04.12 | jelly | hellues_: that's not in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1/ |
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| 13:04.37 | hellues_ | what can i do jelly |
| 13:04.42 | Bushmills | i just have been assigned several static ip ranges, non-portable- to remote servers, to which i have vpn connections from my dynamic ip dsl connection. i thought of using one of those addresses, to route through the vpn to my desktop. giving it a static address that way. would i use some sort of point-to-point protocol for this, ppp or pppoe, or would i better be off simply redirecting any traffic with iptables? |
| 13:04.46 | BeerSerc | tarzeau: definitely, everytime the vmp server's debian breaks me... |
| 13:04.47 | hellues_ | i am beginner on debian |
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| 13:05.10 | BeerSerc | but now it is working again... |
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| 13:05.35 | abrotman | how about find out what he's actually rttying to do |
| 13:05.37 | jelly | hellues_: I don't know what you can do. You asked why there wasn't a source/ directory, you didn't say you wanted to do anything with it |
| 13:05.40 | lvlefisto | jelly, thanks, now it is working!! |
| 13:05.48 | frood2003 | is there a way i can assign a keybinding in gnome to open a terminal in a new tab? rather than a new window... |
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| 13:06.20 | abrotman | Bushmills: i'm guessing the latter |
| 13:06.28 | Penix | frood2003: find out which argument gnome-terminal takes to open a new tab, and create an appropriate keybinding in gconf-editor |
| 13:06.30 | hellues_ | jelly, |
| 13:06.37 | hellues_ | i wonna compile kernel module |
| 13:06.40 | hellues_ | okey |
| 13:06.47 | Bushmills | abrotman: sounds simpler. no extra stuff needed. i'd favour that too |
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| 13:07.07 | abrotman | not that simpler is better always .. but it's a good place to start |
| 13:07.08 | hellues_ | but gives me a several mistake such as linux/init.h not found linu/module.h not found |
| 13:07.13 | jelly | hellues_: for most modules you don't need the whole source, headers should be enough |
| 13:07.26 | tarzeau | BeerSerc: debian ever breaks? etch? |
| 13:07.28 | hellues_ | and someone said to me there must be source folder in lin module 2.6.24-1 |
| 13:07.35 | tarzeau | BeerSerc: so you run the vmp*.ethz.ch stuff? |
| 13:07.46 | agiofws_ | ok i installed Unpacking network-manager-pptp but i can't find its executable ? whats its name ? |
| 13:07.48 | hellues_ | i have linux-header and linux-source |
| 13:07.58 | hellues_ | but i couldnt compile kernel modules |
| 13:08.03 | BeerSerc | tarzeau: yes it does and yes I do. |
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| 13:08.11 | hellues_ | it says linu/init.h linux/module.h not found |
| 13:08.18 | jelly | hellues_: what does? |
| 13:08.27 | hellues_ | what |
| 13:08.31 | BeerSerc | tarzeau: but in this case it was just an incompatible new version of sql ledger |
| 13:08.32 | tarzeau | BeerSerc: ok, i guess it's php or sql stuff that breaks? |
| 13:08.33 | themill_ | agiofws_: it's run through networkmanager so it's nm-applet in gnome or knetworkmanager in kde |
| 13:08.37 | BeerSerc | ^^ |
| 13:08.47 | hellues_ | my system cant find kernel library |
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| 13:08.49 | hellues_ | off |
| 13:08.51 | jelly | <hellues_> it says linu/init.h linux/module.h not found # what command does say that? |
| 13:08.59 | hellues_ | cc hello.c |
| 13:09.03 | hellues_ | for example |
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| 13:09.19 | jelly | hellues_: pastebin that hello.c code. |
| 13:09.31 | hellues_ | oki |
| 13:09.32 | agiofws_ | themill_, i niether have those |
| 13:09.35 | hellues_ | wait a second |
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| 13:11.18 | hellues_ | !paste |
| 13:11.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 13:11.39 | pythos | HI, Ive got a problem with, I believe, name services. The situation is that I have moved my IP addresses to a new subnet, and now there are strange things happening. Most notable, if a particular host is not in the /etc/hosts file, it causes an issue where things take a LONG time to do stuff... I DO have my dns servers all set up, as properly as I can figure. |
| 13:11.48 | andrewy | what is the last version of udev that works with kernel 2.6.11.12? udev was upgraded to 0.105-4 and I can't boot correctly because it requires a newer kernel version |
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| 13:12.08 | frood2003 | you done a traceroute pythos ? |
| 13:12.21 | frood2003 | to your nameservers |
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| 13:12.36 | hellues_ | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/3872/ |
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| 13:12.41 | frood2003 | maybe your routing is a bit out there |
| 13:12.45 | pythos | frood2003: I will now |
| 13:12.59 | abrotman | !tell hellues_ about msg the bot |
| 13:13.11 | stew | andrewy: probably 0.56 |
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| 13:13.41 | hellues_ | sorry |
| 13:13.44 | pythos | frood: well, it is on the same subnet, but it took like 15 seconds to get the list |
| 13:13.47 | stew | andrewy: though i'm suprised that your machine wont boot without udev, are you getting any diagnostic error messages? |
| 13:14.09 | frood | hmm |
| 13:14.23 | andrewy | stew: the problem is that it can't mount my /boot partition without udev (sd* doesn't exist), and I obviously can't upgrade the kernel without that |
| 13:14.43 | stew | andrewy: do you have any bootable kernel? |
| 13:14.47 | frood | are your dns servers under heavy load? |
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| 13:15.17 | abrotman | pythos: that's reverse dns |
| 13:15.22 | andrewy | stew: in theory, but I'm accessing the machine with KVM over IP and the grub timeout is set to 1 second, so I've basically given up trying to switch kernels |
| 13:15.22 | stew | andrewy: and is this an initrd kernel? |
| 13:15.46 | andrewy | stew: it's an initrd kernel, yes |
| 13:15.47 | pythos | frood: so, it is displaying the same problem... ping works, but it is really delayed, but not missing packets. Its like 1 ping, although the reply is normal <like 2 ms, takes 15 seconds |
| 13:16.03 | Bushmills | frood, pythos, reverse dns issue, i think |
| 13:16.09 | pythos | abrotman: Hmm, thought I had gotten the revurse stuff done, Ill look again tho |
| 13:16.23 | frood | Bushmills, you may well be right |
| 13:17.05 | frood | pythos, if it pings with resolve turned off ok then thats your problem |
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| 13:17.37 | pythos | Bushmills: have you heard of a situation that the upstream provider is not doing its job properly for revurse? I believe that I have my zone files for my revurse set proper. |
| 13:17.57 | pythos | frood, resolve turned off? Is that an option to ping command? |
| 13:17.58 | Bushmills | oh,. abrotman has beaten me with that suggestion |
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| 13:18.15 | frood | pythos, yeah it will try and resolve the hostname from IP i believe |
| 13:18.32 | Bushmills | pythos: try to open 53/tcp |
| 13:18.51 | frood | pythos, and udp |
| 13:19.04 | pythos | Bushmills: is that a function in /etc/services? |
| 13:19.23 | Bushmills | rdns using tcp, iirc. udp probably open already |
| 13:19.37 | frood | kk |
| 13:19.47 | jelly | everything uses udp. |
| 13:19.51 | checkers | I installed postfix, and then accidentally deleted /etc/postfix. I've uninstalled it, but it will not install cleanly anymore. during the apt-get configuration: "Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory" |
| 13:19.52 | Bushmills | pythos: no. firewall, router, anywhere where packages may get blocked |
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| 13:20.04 | checkers | can anyone suggest how to fix this? |
| 13:20.11 | Bushmills | pythos: but your own configuration comes into play to. dns proxy? |
| 13:20.15 | wols_ | checkers: edit the debconf |
| 13:20.26 | jelly | Bushmills: 53/tcp is for really long replies, and zone transfer |
| 13:20.27 | Sling | and purge aptitude |
| 13:20.37 | checkers | where is the debconf? |
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| 13:20.43 | pythos | Bushmills: Hmm, well I don't use a proxy, and the router is built on debian box. |
| 13:21.02 | madk | is there a scp which does what cp -u does? |
| 13:21.27 | jelly | checkers: how did you uninstall? You have to purge it |
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| 13:21.43 | wols_ | checkers: you could also get the deb unpack it and manually copy over the needed file(s) |
| 13:21.59 | Bushmills | madk: sort of. shfs or sshfs, allows you to cp -u then. |
| 13:22.12 | checkers | i used `apt-get remove postfix`. running `apt-get purge postfix` gives the same error as above |
| 13:22.26 | frood | apt-get --purge removepostfix |
| 13:22.34 | jelly | madk: rsync is much saner than scp. |
| 13:22.37 | frood | *apt-get --purge remove postfix |
| 13:22.40 | xk | how do i reconfigure x.org to use LCD aswell as (or instead of) CRT? |
| 13:22.41 | wols_ | this won't work frood |
| 13:23.08 | checkers | frood: that gives the same error again |
| 13:23.14 | checkers | "Stopping Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory failed! |
| 13:23.36 | madk | jelly, hmm.. for normal syncing-stuff i use unison. but this time it won't do what i want. |
| 13:23.49 | madk | Bushmills, thanks, i'll investigate on that. |
| 13:23.56 | frood | checkers, try getting it from the deb as wols_ suggests |
| 13:24.00 | Today | bullocks |
| 13:24.07 | frood | checkers, probably in /var/apt/cache somewhere |
| 13:24.09 | checkers | ok |
| 13:24.30 | jelly | would mkdir /etc/postfix; ln -s /bin/true /etc/postfix/postfix-script |
| 13:24.44 | wols_ | frood: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 13:25.01 | twobitwork | anyone have any idea what x.org driver to load for the qemu display? lenny loads the 'cirrus' module, but it can't find any modes.... |
| 13:25.16 | twobitwork | I could have swore lenny worked fine in qemu not too long ago |
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| 13:25.24 | wols_ | run lspci inside qemu? |
| 13:25.40 | twobitwork | wols_: one sec |
| 13:25.45 | frood | wols_, that doesn't have the debs tho? gotta find them online of /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 13:25.56 | frood | *or |
| 13:25.59 | wols_ | the debs yes |
| 13:26.07 | checkers | jelly: mwaha, saved me twice thanks |
| 13:26.50 | sine | Hello. Where should I find openssl 512 RSA blacklist? |
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| 13:26.55 | South3rn | Hi |
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| 13:27.22 | twobitwork | wols_: is says "cirrus" |
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| 13:28.48 | pythos | Bushmills: frood, confirmed, ping to name is delayed, ping to IP address is fine |
| 13:29.07 | FordCortina | if you want to sudo to inherit you environment vars you have to do "sudo -E" right? |
| 13:29.26 | akaka | Could anyone tell me how to fix "gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available"? |
| 13:29.34 | frood | pythos, its certainly a dns issue |
| 13:29.59 | frood | pythos, whats causing the delay i'm not sure |
| 13:30.06 | akaka | I got this error when trying to build freeradius |
| 13:30.18 | frood | pythos, maybe even restart the dns service |
| 13:30.21 | keith4 | what's wrong with the packaged freeradius? |
| 13:30.32 | pythos | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 13:30.46 | pythos | that is what I got from nslookup <ip address> |
| 13:30.48 | akaka | keith4: when i try to debuild it gave that error |
| 13:31.09 | Bushmills | pythos: what dns do you use? |
| 13:31.11 | frood | pythos, ooo |
| 13:31.18 | Bushmills | provider's? |
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| 13:31.23 | akaka | could someone help me... |
| 13:31.40 | keith4 | right, so.... what's wrong with the packaged freeradius? |
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| 13:31.51 | pythos | its a command I issued on the DNS server... kind of a hint. Oh, its debian bind9 |
| 13:31.56 | akaka | i needed to install a patch according to the updated instruction |
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| 13:32.15 | pithen | how can I apt-get only security updates? |
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| 13:32.22 | frood | pythos, so the dns server doesn't even reolve IPs locally? |
| 13:32.45 | pythos | has listed in named.conf though.. |
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| 13:33.52 | halflife | pithen: have only the security sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and you get only packages from that |
| 13:33.55 | abrotman | looks at xk |
| 13:34.41 | stew | pithen: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:34.45 | pithen | halflife, if i comment out all the other sources, will it "forget" about the other updates when i do an apt-get update? |
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| 13:35.01 | frood | pithen, yea |
| 13:35.09 | pithen | stew, 4.0 |
| 13:35.16 | pithen | great, thanks! |
| 13:35.21 | stew | pithen: then the only updates you'd be getting are security related updates anyway |
| 13:35.25 | stew | pithen: don't comment anything out |
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| 13:35.40 | frood | pithen, you shouldnt have to comment it out tho |
| 13:36.13 | pithen | ahh..ok. i wanted to get the ssh/ssl update without worrying about f'ing anything else up |
| 13:36.36 | frood | pithen, installing a package with only update the dependencies as required |
| 13:36.41 | frood | *will |
| 13:37.25 | FordCortina | in debian is there a -E switch to sudo? |
| 13:37.35 | halflife | FordCortina: man sudo |
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| 13:38.08 | halflife | FordCortina: and yes it is there |
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| 13:40.05 | zepolen | apt-get install python-setuptools doesnt work |
| 13:40.21 | andrewy | when installing udev .105 I get: mv: cannot move `/dev/.udevdb' to `/dev/.udev/db': Operation not permitted |
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| 13:40.58 | pythos | Bushmills: frood Hmm, thanks, was a typo |
| 13:41.04 | pythos | in my named.conf |
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| 13:42.25 | stew | zepolen: show us the output of running that command ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:42.32 | frood | pythos, ahh |
| 13:42.32 | wols_ | what pdf plugins for iceweasel are there? |
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| 13:43.24 | frood | is there anything for gnome that will let me merge terminals ala fluxbox? |
| 13:43.32 | frood | such a good feature, would be good to have |
| 13:43.47 | Bushmills | wols_: mozplugger can handle pdf, among other |
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| 13:44.19 | xda | how can i erase all my email? |
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| 13:44.24 | xda | from my mailbox? |
| 13:44.48 | zepolen | stew: i got it working by removing and installing again, but im trying to install it into python2.5 and it goes into 2.4 |
| 13:44.52 | frood | xda, highlight all and hit del? |
| 13:45.24 | zepolen | i setup debian to use python2.5 by defautl |
| 13:45.30 | twobitwork | lsakdjflsakdjflksadjf!!! qemu is driving me crazy |
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| 13:45.40 | xda | frood, i don't know how |
| 13:45.47 | xda | is there an easier way? |
| 13:45.51 | frood | xda, what mail app you using? |
| 13:45.54 | xda | mutt |
| 13:45.55 | grand_gr1nt | twobitwork: it changes your keyboard? |
| 13:45.58 | wols_ | Bushmills: what will it use for displaying then? |
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| 13:46.29 | frood | xda, you can delete your mailbox file/folder i guess |
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| 13:46.36 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: heh... no... just that x.org doesn't seem to like it... no modes found |
| 13:46.37 | xda | frood, how? |
| 13:46.48 | xda | where is it located i mean |
| 13:47.08 | frood | xda, either ~/mbox or /var/mail/usernmae |
| 13:47.13 | frood | i believe |
| 13:47.16 | akaka | could someone tell me how to fix gpg: skipped "Mark Hymers <mark@hymers.org.uk>": secret key not available |
| 13:47.19 | centosian | hello, I use RH normally and am helping a friend install debian. How to I get (say) apache installed? I can't see it listed with apt-get or aptitude (I tried aptitude search httpd and aptitude search apache) |
| 13:47.26 | akaka | i have no clue |
| 13:47.36 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: You mean, worg in the emu machine, or xorg of hardware machine? |
| 13:47.39 | centosian | (And technically, debian is installed, I'm helping him set it up) |
| 13:47.46 | dondelelcaro | centosian: aptitude install apache2; |
| 13:47.48 | Bushmills | wols_: depends on /etc/mozpluggerrc. default actoread, evince, kpdf, xpdf |
| 13:47.50 | susanne-- | ok so i'm trying to install lenny on an hp desktop, pavilion thing. usb is br0ked -- the usb mouse won't even light up. dmesg at http://www.pastebin.ca/1027066 ... where do i go from here? google isn't providing any kind of useful info. |
| 13:47.50 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: in the guest machine |
| 13:47.52 | centosian | thanks x |
| 13:47.58 | centosian | I mean, thanx dondelelcaro |
| 13:48.13 | dondelelcaro | centosian: if it's not showing up, you most likely don't have a network source configured, and you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 13:48.15 | susanne-- | centosian: you can use apt-cache search to find package names, eg, apt-cache search apache. that will give you matching package names to select from. |
| 13:48.27 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: Really strange, qemu ""hardware"" is very compatible |
| 13:48.35 | frood | centosian, even apt-get install apache will give you a list |
| 13:48.44 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: i know... I don't remember having any problems when I tried it a while ago |
| 13:49.16 | centosian | frood: thanks. I think I have to get apt-get setup fully via apt-get update |
| 13:49.30 | Bushmills | wols_: and gv |
| 13:49.38 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: maybe not qemu, but misconfiguration of guest O.S. |
| 13:49.43 | frood | centosian, yeah apt needs to be configured first |
| 13:49.59 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: could be... but I don't know what else to configure.. any ideas? |
| 13:50.10 | susanne-- | centosian: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to start :-) |
| 13:50.22 | centosian | frood: the default server that the install is configured to use isn't working. Which update server(s) should I use |
| 13:50.24 | centosian | ? |
| 13:50.38 | twobitwork | !mirrors |
| 13:50.38 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 13:50.39 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: If Debian in guest computer, try dpkg-reconfigure on it |
| 13:50.46 | Bushmills | susanne--: ps/2 mouse connector? |
| 13:50.48 | frood | centosian, i'm not suer what that means. what server? |
| 13:50.51 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: I've done that many times :) |
| 13:50.57 | frood | centosian, that apt is configured to use? |
| 13:50.58 | V4Nelle | guys there is many diffirents about xorg on etch and on lenny? |
| 13:51.12 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: yes. |
| 13:51.14 | centosian | frood: yes, that's what I meant |
| 13:51.22 | frood | V4Nelle, better drivers for one |
| 13:51.44 | wols_ | Bushmills: my problem is, acroread 8.12 won't print |
| 13:51.49 | susanne-- | bushmills: yeah, i have a (very) old IBM keyboard with a track button in the center. that's breaking the entire usb system? |
| 13:51.52 | frood | centosian, put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in pastebin and i'll have a look |
| 13:51.58 | centosian | frood: OK |
| 13:52.19 | V4Nelle | dondelelcaro: and because of this aticonfig can't configure xorg.conf? |
| 13:52.29 | centosian | frood: http://rafb.net/p/tKiOYi96.html |
| 13:52.40 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: well... I dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg ... anything else I should try reconfiguring? |
| 13:52.41 | Bushmills | wols_: you should be able to remove acroread from mozplugger config, so it falls though to evince or [xk]pdf |
| 13:52.45 | Bushmills | through |
| 13:53.07 | frood | centosian, change them to the official ones for now |
| 13:53.29 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: why would you use aticonfig? |
| 13:53.35 | frood | centosian, ie deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 13:53.42 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: I think that no.. dpkg-reconf' xserver-xorg detected a video card, I guess |
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| 13:53.54 | susanne-- | centosian: once you make that change, redo apt-get update |
| 13:54.00 | frood | centosian, and deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:54.01 | Bushmills | susanne--: can't really imagine that it does - often usb mice are are ps/2 mice with an adapter - if you can connect keyboard and mouse with the round ps/2 no usb would be used. |
| 13:54.14 | frood | centosian, then run apt-get update |
| 13:54.14 | centosian | susanne--: , frood : where can I find the official sources list? |
| 13:54.17 | Bushmills | susanne--: does your keyboard have 2 plugs, by any chance? |
| 13:54.25 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: Try to fix as if you where on a hard system and not emulated |
| 13:54.29 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: actually... looking at my xorg.conf, it does look pretty empty... like a stub or something |
| 13:54.35 | frood | centosian, i just gave you the lines to put in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:54.41 | centosian | frood: ok |
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| 13:55.09 | susanne-- | bushmills: oh you are asking about the mouse i'm trying to connect. i'm trying to get a true usb mouse working. the keyboard/mouse combo works ok. the usb mouse is a real live usb thing, you'd need a converter to plug it in ps/2 |
| 13:55.24 | kouwe | can someone tell me how to remove psa-qmail, apt-get remove psa-qmail also wants do remove other packages.... ?? pls |
| 13:55.31 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: Isn't it a mismatch between display resolution of you xserver, and the display resolution you set in qemu? |
| 13:55.39 | V4Nelle | dondelelcaro: i have X1400 and i wonna use fglrx driver.....for 3d support!there is any other way? |
| 13:55.44 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: I mean, try less resolution |
| 13:56.01 | twobitwork | grand_grunt: I don't think you set a display resolution for qemu... and I have it set in xorg.conf to 800x600 |
| 13:56.15 | centosian | THANKS frood and susanne-- |
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| 13:56.40 | frood | centosian, np |
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| 13:56.59 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: Ah yes, it changes the size of windows.. 800*600 is reasonable |
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| 13:57.13 | grand_grunt | twobitwork: pix depth, maybe? |
| 13:57.14 | susanne-- | centosian: you will find that apt is way better than yum or other rpm-based systems. it's awesome. :-) |
| 13:57.57 | frood | susanne--, if a little troublesome if you compile your own stuff sometimes |
| 13:58.11 | Bushmills | susanne--: find out whether mouse or usb is the problem - try a different usb device, try mouse in other usb sockets. |
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| 13:59.12 | susanne-- | frood: true but the ony things i ever do that are rtorrent and qmail, which are either only in unstable or not available correctly anyway |
| 13:59.27 | checkers | is trying out debian from RH land too |
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| 13:59.39 | susanne-- | bushmills: the entire usbsubsystem is hosed. other slots doesn't help, a usb flash drive doesn't make a difference. |
| 13:59.42 | Bushmills | if usb, try ps/2 adapter with mouse. if mouse, feed to the catbin. ehm. trashbin |
| 14:00.51 | stew | !info rtorrent stable |
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| 14:01.16 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 320 kB, Installed size: 864 kB |
| 14:01.21 | susanne-- | bushmills: the issue isn't the mouse, it's the entire usb subsystem that is failing to load. |
| 14:01.33 | susanne-- | stew: hopelessly out of date. versions 0.7.9 and earlier don't support DHT. |
| 14:01.46 | jelly | ... backporting works |
| 14:02.11 | susanne-- | jelly: it's two compiles, libtorrent and rtorrent. takes a couple minutes. sufficient to my need. |
| 14:02.20 | checkers | if you need DHT, you need to find better torrents ;p |
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| 14:02.54 | jelly | susanne--: yeah, for a small utility like that, doesn't really matter |
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| 14:03.10 | susanne-- | jelly: what i really want is for somebody to move forward with packaging qmail properly. |
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| 14:03.21 | jelly | what's wrong with qmail-src? |
| 14:03.33 | frood | susanne--, i thought qmail had sorta been and gone? |
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| 14:04.05 | susanne-- | jelly: it creates a non-qmail-standard install that the mailing lists generally don't support, and is out of date besides. |
| 14:04.10 | susanne-- | frood: depends on your application. |
| 14:04.20 | frood | susanne--, i guess so |
| 14:04.27 | frood | susanne--, not really my forte to comment |
| 14:04.34 | checkers | it's used in quite a few ISPs over here as a border service |
| 14:04.35 | jelly | susanne--: do you really expect debian will ever have packages doing it djb way? |
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| 14:05.00 | susanne-- | jelly: i expect them to at least use relatively current versions now that qmail is in the public domain. |
| 14:05.03 | checkers | qmail <-> ironport/similar device <-> internal delivery array |
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| 14:05.24 | jelly | susanne--: I eagerly expect your patches. |
| 14:05.32 | frood | lol |
| 14:05.56 | susanne-- | jelly: i'm not familiar with the debian package system, and i'm told there's already an itp that's been pending for several months for netqmail 1.06. |
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| 14:06.14 | frood | wouldn't surprise me |
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| 14:06.33 | susanne-- | my real objection to qmail-src is that the maintainer is not aware that public domain software is free software. |
| 14:06.41 | kouwe | HELP, qmail is being abused for spam... How can i remove this app? (don't use it) apt-get remove psa-qmail doesnt work it also wants to remove other apps (1.45GB) |
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| 14:07.27 | frood | kouwe, just disable the daemon for now |
| 14:07.29 | jelly | kouwe: qmail is a mail transfer agent. do you need to send and receive mail on this machine? |
| 14:07.39 | Bushmills | kouwe: fix your config. disable relaying |
| 14:07.45 | susanne-- | kuowe: if qmail is being abused for spam, it is improperly configured. |
| 14:07.55 | susanne-- | qmail does not relay by default. |
| 14:07.55 | kouwe | when i stops, it always gets back on after a minute or 2 |
| 14:07.55 | kouwe | :/ |
| 14:07.59 | frood | surely its disabled by default |
| 14:08.08 | jelly | susanne--: except if it's generating backscatter, which can't really be helped |
| 14:08.18 | susanne-- | jelly: even the backscatter can be turned off. |
| 14:08.25 | jelly | kouwe: how do you stop it? |
| 14:08.25 | Bushmills | kouwe: /etc/init.d/qmail stop |
| 14:08.42 | jelly | in any case "psa-qmail" is NOT a debian package |
| 14:09.06 | Bushmills | oh, not debian? than what i suggested doesn't apply. it may break your system. |
| 14:09.07 | frood | whats psa stand for? |
| 14:09.14 | kouwe | jelly, Bushmills, jes i use /etc/init.d/qmail stop / then after a couple minutes its back up |
| 14:09.33 | kouwe | (plesk) |
| 14:09.34 | susanne-- | contact your system's distributor or distribution maintaner for support. you are not using a debian system. |
| 14:09.42 | susanne-- | contact plesk support then. |
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| 14:09.58 | susanne-- | or contact your hosting provider's support team. |
| 14:10.07 | susanne-- | plesk doesn't run on debian anyway. |
| 14:10.12 | susanne-- | thank god. |
| 14:10.28 | Bushmills | kouwe: iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --sport 25 -j DROP |
| 14:10.58 | susanne-- | !info plesk |
| 14:11.21 | susanne-- | bummer. there's no rant in there about it. i should write one. |
| 14:11.53 | g00se | Keep getting stderr from bg process filtering up into the console. Running alias e2='ee & 2>/dev/null' (where 'ee' is a script). Why? |
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| 14:12.17 | jelly | g00se: ee 2>/dev/null & |
| 14:12.30 | kouwe | is it safe to -> rm -rf /var/qmail/queue/* |
| 14:12.33 | g00se | jelly: Aaahhhh |
| 14:12.39 | jelly | kouwe: no. |
| 14:12.47 | g00se | jelly: Thanks |
| 14:13.08 | susanne-- | kouwe: yes, if you want to totally break your entire system. CONTACT YOUR HOSTING PROVIDER'S SUPPORT TEAM. |
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| 14:13.15 | kevinready | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3_6.7+7.4-3_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 64.50.236.52 80] |
| 14:13.15 | kevinready | s15298498:~#; any ideas on this message |
| 14:13.28 | susanne-- | kevinready: apt-get update. |
| 14:13.31 | stew | susanne--: please turn off your caps lock |
| 14:13.46 | susanne-- | stew: it's not on. i hold down the shift key. :-) |
| 14:13.48 | Bushmills | kevinready: aptitude update |
| 14:13.53 | Bushmills | or apt-get update |
| 14:14.44 | centosian | thanks susanne-- and Bushmills , we did apt-get update successfully, and I installed tcsh successfully too, now we're getting the message kevinready pasted |
| 14:14.46 | stew | kevinready: ftp.us.debian.org doesn't carry debian-security ; /msg dpkg security |
| 14:15.18 | Bushmills | pardon? |
| 14:15.54 | susanne-- | it's possible there's an error in the archive. it does happen occasionally. |
| 14:16.01 | stew | no, its not an error |
| 14:16.06 | centosian | stew, susanne--: so what's the correct fix? |
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| 14:16.34 | stew | centosian: change http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-security to http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ |
| 14:16.39 | susanne-- | centosian: msg dpkg security to start with. |
| 14:16.46 | centosian | stew: ok, doing |
| 14:16.53 | Bushmills | the file exists on the server |
| 14:16.58 | stew | centosian: actually just http://security.debian.org |
| 14:17.01 | stew | Bushmills: no it doesn't |
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| 14:17.57 | Bushmills | stew: i have it open in a browser |
| 14:18.07 | Bushmills | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3_6.7+7.4-3_i386.deb |
| 14:18.22 | centosian | stew: perfect, thanks |
| 14:18.48 | jelly | Bushmills: HEAD http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/p/pcre3/libpcre3_6.7+7.4-3_i386.deb -> 404 |
| 14:19.10 | stew | Bushmills: then you have a bad DNS cache entry or a broken resolver, or a broken web proxy or something |
| 14:20.06 | jelly | Bushmills: which one of ftp.us.debian.org machines are you connected to? :-) |
| 14:20.06 | susanne-- | ok have to fix my busted usb subsystem later. time to act like i have a job. ugh. |
| 14:20.13 | stew | ahh, wait, one of the 4 rotation servers seems to have it |
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| 14:20.37 | stew | but i'd not certainly rely on this |
| 14:20.44 | bkw | Does etch 2.6.18 support intel S3000AH motherboards? |
| 14:20.44 | stew | err certainly not |
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| 14:21.28 | Bushmills | on 35.9.37.225 i think i am |
| 14:21.45 | stew | Bushmills: no, 128.30.2.36 is the only one carrying it |
| 14:21.52 | stew | i of coursed checked the other 3 first |
| 14:22.46 | Bushmills | hm.. could be that my first attempt cached it, and now i'm on a different server, while contents provided from cache. |
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| 14:23.06 | stew | HEAD http://35.9.37.225/debian-security |
| 14:23.34 | Bushmills | i think i retried after i was told that it doesn't reside on server. had to check my eye sight. |
| 14:24.10 | Bushmills | oh well never mind. |
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| 14:27.54 | xerophyte | is there anyway i can find out if a xen instance is dom0 or domu .. i know i can grep for xen debs is there any other way i can find out |
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| 14:29.51 | mquin | xerophyte: my cfengine scripts use the following tests: |
| 14:29.58 | mquin | test -d /proc/xen && test -x /usr/sbin/xm |
| 14:30.00 | mquin | for a dom0 |
| 14:30.01 | mquin | and |
| 14:30.10 | mquin | test -d /proc/xen |
| 14:30.14 | mquin | for a domU |
| 14:30.40 | mquin | not perfect, as it's possible someone might install xm in a domU, but reasonable enough for most purposes |
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| 14:31.08 | xerophyte | mquin: hmmm i have redhat domus too .. some of the redhat dom0 use xe ? and it will not have xe |
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| 14:32.16 | mquin | xerophyte: ? |
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| 14:34.22 | centosian | How do I install the package red5_0.7.0_all.deb from my home directory? |
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| 14:35.54 | mbroeker | centosian, dpkg -i red*.deb |
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| 14:36.46 | hereje | I need to make a mirror of http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ but i dont know how add all the correct parameters to a debmirror command... Anybody can help me ? |
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| 14:38.55 | xk | has anyone got ACD to work on an ATI card with x.org? |
| 14:39.06 | mbroeker | hereje, you need debarchiver for example |
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| 14:39.25 | hereje | debarchiver ? What's this ? |
| 14:40.04 | mbroeker | debarchiver handles a debian repository. |
| 14:40.28 | hereje | Is better than debmirror ? |
| 14:40.47 | mbroeker | i have no experiences with debmirror |
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| 14:40.57 | mbroeker | so i am out of buissness now :) |
| 14:41.23 | hereje | ? |
| 14:41.51 | mbroeker | i have setup a repository with debarchiver and it worked well. |
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| 14:42.01 | mbroeker | i have never tried to mirror another repository |
| 14:42.17 | mbroeker | so i can only say something to debarchiver, not to debmirror. |
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| 14:42.55 | CoolCold | anyone tryed to get cpu usage with snmp? |
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| 14:43.28 | centosian | thanks mbroeker |
| 14:43.51 | CoolCold | i trying to check it with oid 1.3.6.1.4.1.2021.11.11.0 but it returns smth strange |
| 14:44.17 | CoolCold | like 95% cpu is idle while i'm running 4 while scripts, for every core of cpu |
| 14:44.27 | CoolCold | and top shows 0 idle |
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| 14:45.52 | NetNiet | U'm.. i did a base install... nown i wanne add a desktop .... what is the apt-get for this ... i already did the kde but thats not anuf ? |
| 14:46.44 | flokuehn | NetNiet: it is. you have to start kdm as root. |
| 14:47.02 | NetNiet | A thx |
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| 14:49.33 | bryndza | Hi, Hi, is there an CVSupd for debian ? |
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| 14:50.47 | Radio-Head | hey guys |
| 14:51.00 | Radio-Head | go to #finished if you are a PC gamer |
| 14:51.04 | Radio-Head | good channel |
| 14:51.11 | colo_mobile | I'm looking for a mirror of the Debian Sarge install media, can anyone please point me to such a site? |
| 14:51.18 | Radio-Head | don't forget free source games are more than welcome |
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| 14:52.27 | maligor | yes, it'll go fantastically with the new Debian Game! Ready logo certification program |
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| 14:52.36 | jair | hello guys if I am in debian, there is a way I can open the cd/dvd/rom but there is a command to close it? |
| 14:52.56 | Radio-Head | go to #finished if you are a PC gamer |
| 14:52.58 | jair | "eject" to open |
| 14:53.01 | Radio-Head | do it now |
| 14:53.01 | Bushmills | jair: eject -t |
| 14:53.13 | Radio-Head | we are discussing Apricot |
| 14:53.13 | jair | Bushmills: that will close it :P |
| 14:53.17 | Radio-Head | new blender game |
| 14:53.19 | Radio-Head | :P |
| 14:53.57 | Pryon | I think I have a nectarine in the refrigerator |
| 14:53.57 | Radio-Head | come all to #finished |
| 14:54.01 | Bushmills | jair: "...but there is a command to close it?" sounded pretty much that that's what you wanted |
| 14:54.07 | jair | Bushmills: you are the man hahaha |
| 14:54.10 | Radio-Head | we have greenmanwitch |
| 14:54.12 | Bushmills | ah. ok |
| 14:54.12 | jair | Bushmills: thank you very much |
| 14:54.14 | Radio-Head | nidce guy |
| 14:54.17 | Radio-Head | very talented |
| 14:54.23 | Radio-Head | in many wyas |
| 14:54.28 | Radio-Head | wyas = ways |
| 14:54.31 | jair | Bushmills: yes that's it |
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| 14:54.37 | jair | Bushmills: Thank you |
| 14:54.42 | Bushmills | misunderstood |
| 14:54.48 | Radio-Head | don't forget about MAss effect |
| 14:54.55 | Bushmills | taken the :P as "that's not quite what i wanted" |
| 14:55.31 | Radio-Head | arguably one of the best RPG's ever made |
| 14:55.40 | Radio-Head | http://www.m90.org/video/55980/The_most_extreme_bondage_and_fetish_video_ever_/ |
| 14:55.45 | Radio-Head | and that... |
| 14:55.52 | Radio-Head | sorry some dickhead sent me that |
| 14:55.54 | Bushmills | Radio-Head: off topic. /j #finished |
| 14:56.03 | Radio-Head | yeah right |
| 14:56.07 | Radio-Head | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.10 | Radio-Head | go on it now |
| 14:56.14 | Radio-Head | we need users |
| 14:56.16 | Radio-Head | GAmers |
| 14:56.20 | Radio-Head | developers |
| 14:56.27 | stew | Radio-Head: stop. keep it on-topic |
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| 14:56.29 | Radio-Head | and preferably blender users |
| 14:56.33 | Radio-Head | fine |
| 14:56.36 | stew | Radio-Head: do you have anything debian related? |
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| 14:56.39 | Bushmills | well, you're the worst advertisement for that channel. |
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| 14:56.57 | Radio-Head | just tell your friends about the channel, if they are gamers that is. |
| 14:57.05 | Radio-Head | Bushmills: why so? |
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| 14:57.08 | Bushmills | i better don't/ i want to keep them |
| 14:57.19 | Deepa | I were setting up a tun0 for a tunnel |
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| 14:57.25 | Deepa | And setting up NAT with iptables |
| 14:57.35 | Deepa | It worked fine, but when NAT was setup nothing worked so I did a iptables --flush |
| 14:57.41 | Deepa | Now I can't even ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:57.54 | kevinready | does anyone have experience in mapping rtmp:// to a directory for Red5 0.70 on debian 4? |
| 14:57.59 | Deepa | Well I /can/ ping it, but it doesn't respond |
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| 14:59.07 | helo | are generic linux questions that aren't debian-specific offtopic in here? |
| 14:59.33 | Bushmills | Deepa: change your default policies to ACCEPT |
| 14:59.40 | Deepa | How :p? |
| 14:59.44 | Deepa | I'm a sucker for iptables |
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| 14:59.51 | Bushmills | iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 15:00.05 | Bushmills | the others you want to study iptables man page for |
| 15:00.10 | helo | i've had problems with the 'ipmasq' mackage blocking all network traffic if my network devices aren't able to come up |
| 15:00.48 | Maliuta | Bushmills: wow, you _are_ a sucker for punishment |
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| 15:01.29 | Deepa | Ah thanks that worked :D |
| 15:01.30 | helo | I'm a sucker for tootsie-pop suckers, incidentally. |
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| 15:01.40 | Maliuta | helo: you need to write your firewalling script better |
| 15:01.47 | keith4 | if I'm able to point apache2 at an ldap server for authentication, is that indicative of having enough information in ldap to authenticate login on a debian system to it? |
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| 15:02.01 | keith4 | uh, sorry... that made a lot more sense in my head |
| 15:02.03 | Bushmills | Maliuta: what make you say that? |
| 15:02.18 | Maliuta | Bushmills: accept all |
| 15:02.23 | Maliuta | Bushmills: bad |
| 15:02.25 | helo | Maliuta: i didn't write it, i just use what is supplied by ipmasq... you're right though, i should spend some time writing sane iptables rules on my own |
| 15:02.47 | Maliuta | helo: spend time with the manpage and the howto |
| 15:02.48 | Bushmills | Maliuta: that's the default, when no rules are loaded. |
| 15:02.48 | helo | i am desperately time starved, though :/ |
| 15:02.58 | keith4 | firehol! |
| 15:03.04 | Bushmills | Maliuta: now you can tutor him how to write working rules |
| 15:03.08 | Maliuta | Bushmills: it's also a bad policy |
| 15:03.20 | Bushmills | Maliuta: write a bug report |
| 15:03.21 | helo | i need to write an entire casino player tracking |
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| 15:03.26 | Maliuta | Bushmills: it comes down to RTFM in the end |
| 15:03.27 | helo | in two weeks hah |
| 15:03.48 | helo | i digress... |
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| 15:04.12 | crissi | hello |
| 15:04.20 | Bushmills | Maliuta: as i see it, he added rules, changed policy, then deleted rules. his policies blocked him now. |
| 15:04.31 | Bushmills | Maliuta: so setting them to ACCEPT restored the initial state. |
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| 15:04.52 | pablo_ | hi, what is the update-inetd package for? |
| 15:05.03 | Bushmills | if that initial state is bad, then debian preconfig is bad. |
| 15:05.03 | dondelelcaro | pablo_: for updating inetd |
| 15:05.08 | crissi | when an updated 2.6.25 kernel will be available in sid? 2.6.25-686-2 is broken, nvidia install is not possible |
| 15:05.08 | colo_mobile | can debian woody boot from CD? |
| 15:05.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:05.20 | abrotman | crissi: don't use unstable |
| 15:05.55 | crissi | again: when its available? |
| 15:05.56 | xushi | if you're compiling a software and it fails, what file do you examine other than the output error on the screen? |
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| 15:06.10 | xushi | failing on make, not ./configure |
| 15:06.32 | keith4 | uh, are you asking if 'make' logs somewhere? |
| 15:06.43 | pablo_ | dondelelcaro: when is it called? |
| 15:07.04 | crissi | http://paste.debian.net/3890/ |
| 15:07.08 | dondelelcaro | pablo_: from package maintainer scripts who want to add an entry |
| 15:07.16 | colo_mobile | any ideas where I can find Debian Woody CD-images for installing? |
| 15:07.24 | crissi | cpad-kernel-source fails too |
| 15:07.25 | xushi | keith4: yea that could be a start. does it? |
| 15:07.32 | keith4 | no |
| 15:07.47 | keith4 | colo_mobile: woody is out of support |
| 15:07.48 | xushi | hmm, then it's just the screen output |
| 15:08.13 | colo_mobile | keith4: I'm well aware of that, but still, I need it :) it can't have absolutely vanished from the net, can it? |
| 15:08.21 | pablo_ | dondelelcaro: ok, so i should leave it installed right? |
| 15:09.06 | dondelelcaro | pablo_: yes. |
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| 15:09.40 | keith4 | colo_mobile: i'm sure it's out there somewhere |
| 15:09.49 | abrotman | crissi: if you want a stable system, don't use unstable. |
| 15:10.11 | colo_mobile | keith4: I've tried to find something via google, but haven't had success yet :( planetmirror also hasn't got anything |
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| 15:13.25 | keith4 | colo_mobile: uh, did you try archive.debian.org? |
| 15:14.04 | colo_mobile | keith4: yup, but if I'm not mistaken, there aren't any install images besides floppy images, which I can't use :( |
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| 15:14.51 | keith4 | colo_mobile: you suck at the google. I found it in 30 seconds |
| 15:14.55 | keith4 | http://mirror.klabs.be/debian-cd/woody/netinst/lordsuch/debian-minicd/woody-i386-1.iso |
| 15:15.15 | abrotman | ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/i386/ |
| 15:15.23 | keith4 | that's even better |
| 15:15.27 | colo_mobile | keith4: thanks; the google locale might have failed me :( |
| 15:15.28 | keith4 | and also "official" |
| 15:15.36 | colo_mobile | ah nice... |
| 15:15.36 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know if they're going to add ISOs for older releases ? |
| 15:15.57 | South3rn | what's the quickest way to modify predeterminate ls --color colors? |
| 15:16.03 | colo_mobile | is cdimage.debian.org a rotating mirror, perchance? |
| 15:16.23 | colo_mobile | (I'd _swear_ I tried it a few minutes before, only to find nothing older than sarge) |
| 15:16.35 | abrotman | colo_mobile: no .. but it's not obvious where the woody stuff is |
| 15:16.55 | keith4 | doesn't have netinst, either |
| 15:17.04 | keith4 | but you might not care |
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| 15:17.59 | Zoup | i'm working on remote debian servers which seems to crash often , have can i save kernel panic errors ? |
| 15:18.13 | colo_mobile | nope, I'll get all the images I think |
| 15:18.19 | colo_mobile | many thanks for helping me out! |
| 15:18.57 | stew | colo_mobile: you should only need CD1 if you are installing onto a machine with internet access |
| 15:19.00 | helo | anyone running some honeypots to see if people are trying to exploit weak keys? |
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| 15:19.51 | colo_mobile | stew: yup, I'm getting the nonus image right now; I'll see what we need in addition for deployment :) |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | colo_mobile: you'll have to point your sources at archive.debian.org |
| 15:20.04 | abrotman | if you want an http source i mean |
| 15:20.09 | colo_mobile | abrotman: already figured that :) |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:20.17 | colo_mobile | thank you for noticing, though |
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| 15:22.28 | jelly | Zoup: I'm investigating kdump at present. |
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| 15:23.02 | Zoup | jelly: dose that require kernel patch ? if yes , is that applied to debian ? |
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| 15:23.35 | jelly | Zoup: well, lenny kernels already have the relevant option enabled. Not sure about stable |
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| 15:24.00 | jelly | Zoup: grep CONFIG_KEXEC /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:24.00 | Zoup | jelly: can you point me which relevant options they are ? or do you know any docs ? |
| 15:24.25 | Zoup | jelly: i know kexec a little bit, how that can help ? |
| 15:24.25 | jelly | Zoup: userspace support is in kexec-tools package |
| 15:26.38 | jelly | Zoup: kdump works with kexec. My understanding: the kernel crash handler boots a special kernel in a separate environment which can dump the core file of the original kernel somewhere. |
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| 15:27.13 | Zoup | jelly: i see , virtulization in reverse |
| 15:28.26 | jelly | Zoup: a small part of RAM (and address space) is reserved for kdump env. at boot, so when a panic happens, the kdump kernel is already there, ready to do its work |
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| 15:29.01 | jelly | Zoup: in practice this means you lose 128MB of RAM for normal usage |
| 15:29.27 | Zoup | jelly: and if it does not panic on boot , what will happen ? |
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| 15:30.08 | jelly | Zoup: If your normal kernel doesn't panic, everything is good :-) |
| 15:30.45 | Zoup | jelly: can i say "it looks like that you can run a parallel kernel which write other one crash dumps to disk " |
| 15:30.54 | StucKman | hi all. I have two machines. I want them to have the same packages install which must be the union of the packages installed in each one. is there anything I can do w/ dpkg --get/set-selections? |
| 15:31.09 | jelly | Zoup: that's it |
| 15:31.13 | Zoup | StucKman: dpkg --set-selections > packages list on first machine |
| 15:31.23 | Zoup | StucKman: oops , sorry |
| 15:31.32 | Zoup | StucKman: dpkg --get-selections > packages_list on first machine |
| 15:31.44 | Zoup | StucKman: dpkg --set-selections < packages_list on second , then dselect |
| 15:31.50 | Zoup | jammyd: thats awesome! |
| 15:31.55 | StucKman | yes, but --set-selections in the second one will deinstall packages in that machine |
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| 15:32.22 | Zoup | StucKman: well , you can edit packages_list file , change the statuses |
| 15:32.40 | StucKman | Zoup: meeh, I was looking for something more automatic :| |
| 15:32.50 | StucKman | (long list of packages) |
| 15:32.59 | StucKman | ok, will try some python magic |
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| 15:33.05 | Zoup | StucKman: it can be pal , use sed ;) |
| 15:33.13 | Zoup | StucKman: wow , python wizard here ;) |
| 15:33.15 | stew | StucKman: dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall > packagelist |
| 15:33.37 | stew | StucKman: or /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 15:33.43 | StucKman | aha! |
| 15:33.54 | StucKman | stew: ... | grep installed |
| 15:34.23 | stew | StucKman: that won't work, it would be "install" not "installed" and then | grep install would also match "deinstall" |
| 15:34.55 | StucKman | damn |
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| 15:36.52 | dbmoodb | the selinux tool in fedora to configure selinux graphically is available in lenny yeah... or something gui for selinux plicy ? |
| 15:37.03 | dbmoodb | policy* |
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| 15:37.27 | Maliuta | guis are evil |
| 15:37.42 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:37.47 | dbmoodb | i thought you were only in openbsd |
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| 15:38.30 | dbmoodb | Maliuta: last time i tried it |
| 15:38.34 | Maliuta | dbmoodb: I am good sysadmin, I'm everwhere |
| 15:38.42 | dbmoodb | root didn't have access to /bin/bash |
| 15:38.47 | dbmoodb | rofl |
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| 15:39.23 | Maliuta | dbmoodb: rtfm and write you're own policies, don't rely on someone else to meet your security needs |
| 15:39.23 | jelly | !moo dbmoodb |
| 15:39.31 | dbmoodb | oi |
| 15:39.34 | Phil4 | hi all, is it possible to use /usr/bin/beep or something similar to make the sound out of the sound card rather than the internal speaker? |
| 15:39.39 | dbmoodb | Maliuta: i read the rtfm |
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| 15:39.49 | chops | Phil4: Cat somebeepingsound.wav > /dev/audio perhaps |
| 15:39.51 | dbmoodb | i configured it and applied basic stuff... i was like wtf ? |
| 15:40.00 | jelly | Phil4: aplay? |
| 15:40.07 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 15:40.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 15:40.28 | Phil4 | can those generate beeps, or do I need to find one? |
| 15:40.28 | jelly | chops: I believe he wants to replace the system beep with something nicer, rather |
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| 15:40.32 | dman- | hey all im getting this on a debian domu, http://rafb.net/p/OdUXsO31.html anyone know how to fix? |
| 15:40.33 | dbmoodb | and that is what red hat lacks, personality |
| 15:40.38 | Phil4 | no, jelly |
| 15:40.41 | Zoup | jelly: abeep uses kernel beep module , unless you have a sound card that has 'beep generator' (ac97 , hd-audio) you can get output on speakers |
| 15:40.43 | Phil4 | any beep sound is fine |
| 15:40.45 | dbmoodb | jelly just use moo |
| 15:40.45 | chops | dbmoodb: That was precisely what happened to me with selinux. I eventually wound up disabling it. I really wouldn't recommend it for anything other than the most security-critical installations; even when it works properly it's difficult to keep up with everything that needs to be updated |
| 15:41.00 | StucKman | np: foo fighters - for all the cows |
| 15:41.03 | StucKman | :-P |
| 15:41.04 | jelly | Phil4: well, use any wav player then :-) |
| 15:41.20 | Zoup | aplay is very light |
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| 15:41.25 | dbmoodb | chops: i don't think it really matters better not to have a hole in the first place |
| 15:41.38 | Phil4 | it's the frequencies etc. I want, jelly |
| 15:41.39 | dbmoodb | can some one post a guide of how to do it ? |
| 15:41.47 | dbmoodb | replace the beep with a cow |
| 15:41.59 | jelly | Phil4: oh, a (sine) wave generator? |
| 15:42.04 | dbmoodb | ... how do you get the moo to stay loaded at start up |
| 15:42.07 | jhaluska | I have an on again and off again relationship with linux, but for my work we're designing a small alarm monitoring server, and I said that a small embedded linux server with a mysql backend would be perfect. The server is likely to be powered by an Intel atom and will need a graphical front end. Am I on the right path choosing linux / debian and mysql? |
| 15:42.07 | Phil4 | in effect |
| 15:42.13 | dbmoodb | before pcspkr is loaded |
| 15:42.25 | Zoup | Phil4: arr ... there was a script that i wrote with perl to kill flies ! something like that you need ? |
| 15:42.39 | Phil4 | perhaps, Zoup |
| 15:42.41 | dbmoodb | yes, xfce is offered if you want it to be light |
| 15:42.49 | dbmoodb | mysql -- why not postgres ? |
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| 15:43.00 | jhaluska | dbmoodb: Just familiarity with mysql |
| 15:43.01 | bijur | hello all :) |
| 15:43.14 | Zoup | jhaluska: a mistake then :) |
| 15:43.14 | jhaluska | dbmoodb: Database is nothing sophisticated. |
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| 15:43.30 | chops | jhaluska: How embedded? Debian is relatively heavyweight for some tiny installations (though if you're talking about mysql I doubt it's all that embedded) |
| 15:43.33 | dbmoodb | jhaluska: there are small systems you can buy ... depending on your cpu requirements .... |
| 15:43.45 | dbmoodb | chops my nas device runs debian |
| 15:43.51 | dbmoodb | there is debian em |
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| 15:43.59 | dbmoodb | !em |
| 15:43.59 | dpkg | somebody said em was short for them |
| 15:44.08 | dbmoodb | !embedded |
| 15:44.26 | Zoup | dpkg: lol |
| 15:44.26 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:44.36 | dbmoodb | !emdebian |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:44.37 | jhaluska | chops: Next generation system will be monitoring a lot of ethernet traffic from fire and alarm systems. Previous system was a custom hardware / software. |
| 15:44.39 | dbmoodb | there |
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| 15:44.57 | bijur | dpkg: haha |
| 15:44.58 | dpkg | laughs!! that's funny bijur! |
| 15:45.14 | jhaluska | chops: By "a lot of ethernet traffic" I mean very little by a server's standards. A couple dozen bytes every few minutes max |
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| 15:45.23 | dbmoodb | jhaluska: make sure you put some hardware traffic devices on it |
| 15:45.34 | bijur | emdebian is extending debian? if its embedded, then it should be shortening it aint it ;) |
| 15:45.37 | dbmoodb | like a webcam, thermometer etc. |
| 15:46.12 | dbmoodb | bijur: no we are not gnome |
| 15:46.12 | dbmoodb | at times |
| 15:46.12 | dbmoodb | (no disrespect to gnome) |
| 15:46.27 | dbmoodb | i would like a kde /gnome hybrid :_) |
| 15:46.27 | jhaluska | The sql requirement is more to deal with the fact that we do a lot of customization for installations. |
| 15:46.30 | bijur | dbmoodb: what do u use? kde? |
| 15:46.30 | jelly | Phil4: speaker-test -t sine -f 440, but I don't know how to specify the length |
| 15:46.41 | dbmoodb | i use both bijur |
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| 15:47.00 | jhaluska | What would be a pain in the butt to do with a lot of code would be a simple sql query. |
| 15:47.03 | dbmoodb | jhaluska: .... why not have another system being able to handle the sql backend in the even of a failure |
| 15:47.22 | dbmoodb | event* |
| 15:47.25 | bijur | dbmoodb: oh, which do u think is better, i havent really made up my mind despite using debian for like 5 -6 years |
| 15:47.26 | jhaluska | dbmoodb: We do have to worry about redundancy, we'll often have two or more systems. |
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| 15:47.46 | dbmoodb | oh so get some cdma /gsm modems too |
| 15:47.52 | dbmoodb | ah.... one second |
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| 15:48.25 | dbmoodb | http://call-direct.com.au/ --- not sure if is any use to you i was impressed these things existed |
| 15:48.36 | jhaluska | The big reason I want linux is it has a lot of remote administration capabilities. |
| 15:48.39 | bijur | question: when i am doing an apt get, the download of the packages suddenly stops and then hangs for a long time and then it resumes again. |
| 15:48.52 | bijur | has anyone had the same issue? its damn annoying! |
| 15:49.05 | jhaluska | The only reason I call it "embedded" is that we have a lower powered processor because our systems have to run off of batteries for like 24-30 hours in case of a power failure. |
| 15:49.07 | dbmoodb | bijur: run it in a terminal and watch it |
| 15:49.20 | dbmoodb | yes fair enough.... |
| 15:49.31 | bijur | dbmoodb: i _am_ running it on a terminal |
| 15:49.33 | jelly | bijur: does it stop in midst of a package download, or between two? |
| 15:49.36 | bijur | how else wud i run it |
| 15:49.49 | dbmoodb | in your head |
| 15:49.56 | bijur | jelly: stops in the midst of a package download |
| 15:50.04 | dbmoodb | i have a way |
| 15:50.04 | jelly | bijur: sounds like network issues then |
| 15:50.27 | dbmoodb | apt-get moo see what that says |
| 15:50.34 | jelly | bijur: packet lossage can cause TCP connections to stall |
| 15:50.36 | bijur | jelly: its draining from the server at close to 1mbps , maybe they have some sort of a tripping mechanism? |
| 15:50.47 | dbmoodb | if half the cow is there then you have a problem |
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| 15:51.03 | tomfmason | bijur: I had the same problem on one of my older systems. It ended up being a problem with the NIC and once it was replaced it worked fine |
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| 15:51.25 | bijur | i am on wireless, cud that be the pblm? |
| 15:51.29 | dbmoodb | bijur: no.... i used tons of my isps ftp server last month (30 /40gb) so... it was fine (they are a debian sponsor tho) |
| 15:51.31 | tomfmason | yes |
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| 15:51.41 | jelly | bijur: yes, try wired if you can |
| 15:51.42 | dbmoodb | wireless is the suck |
| 15:51.47 | bijur | aaaaaaah |
| 15:51.59 | bijur | no cant go wired, bro dislikes wires running around the house |
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| 15:52.04 | bijur | definitely not till my room |
| 15:52.06 | bijur | sigh |
| 15:52.14 | jhaluska | oh the question I had is I want a lightweight x server to learn how to do graphical interfacing with the sql backend. Any recommendations? |
| 15:52.17 | dbmoodb | mmmm debian debian debian. bijur put the go to the sourced |
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| 15:52.28 | jelly | bijur: set up a http proxy wired near your router, and use that |
| 15:52.32 | dbmoodb | xfce .... ? |
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| 15:52.39 | dbmoodb | but lightweight x server ... ? |
| 15:52.54 | Zoup | jhaluska: light x server ? or window manager ? |
| 15:52.54 | jhaluska | dbmoodb: I mean x windows manager. |
| 15:53.03 | Zoup | jhaluska: i would suggest awesome |
| 15:53.06 | dbmoodb | don't need one do you ? ... xfce is ok ... |
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| 15:53.20 | dbmoodb | but a bit big... ah yeah try e as well maybe |
| 15:53.24 | bijur | hmm .. wud i be able to setup an http proxy on the router itself? i have heard they run linux |
| 15:53.33 | jhaluska | Well, my boss thinks we need a graphical touchscreen on the product. |
| 15:53.40 | dbmoodb | bijur: try a different repo |
| 15:53.41 | jhaluska | I think everything will be done remotely by a PC. |
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| 15:54.12 | dbmoodb | ... jhaluska touch screen terminal good idea |
| 15:54.17 | jhaluska | So I was going to write a program that cross compiles and runs on linux / windows / mac and interfaces with the "servers" sql db. |
| 15:54.18 | bijur | dbmood: i have to depend on the singapore repo itself, everything else is quite slow for me, cos of the singapore's invisible proxy for outside network |
| 15:54.25 | dbmoodb | compiz fusion :) fun spin that back to base alarm spin it good |
| 15:54.40 | jhaluska | dbmoodb: That's not out of the question if the hardware permits it. |
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| 15:54.43 | dbmoodb | jhaluska: there are xclients for windows |
| 15:54.43 | jelly | jhaluska: I don't see how is your preference of a window manager related to whatever your app will do |
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| 15:54.55 | dbmoodb | jhaluska: ... not on the main box i hope |
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| 15:55.08 | jhaluska | dbmoodb: We want something to make our product look high tech when in reality the product it is replacing runs on a 16 Mhz processor. |
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| 15:55.24 | dbmoodb | rofl |
| 15:55.32 | jhaluska | jelly: I was just afraid some programs weren't compatible between window managers. |
| 15:55.36 | bijur | haha |
| 15:55.48 | dbmoodb | oh noes we need qt drat there goes kde |
| 15:55.55 | dbmoodb | never saw that coming ... |
| 15:55.59 | jelly | jhaluska: hm, that's not common. |
| 15:56.35 | dbmoodb | !boom goes ubuntu apt goes debian |
| 15:56.49 | jelly | dbmoodb: could you stop with the nonsense, please? |
| 15:56.54 | dbmoodb | i am leaving now |
| 15:56.58 | dbmoodb | night |
| 15:57.01 | dbmoodb | sorry |
| 15:57.02 | bijur | bye bye |
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| 15:57.52 | Bravewolf | Can you explain me better the syntax of --cipher option of cryptsetup? Man page in not enough. It seem to consist of three parts CIPHER-IValgo:hash. e.g. aes-cbc-essiv:sha56. Can you explain me the influence of the parameter after the :? Thanks! |
| 15:58.12 | jhaluska | Has anybody done any cross gui development? |
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| 16:02.06 | jelly | jhaluska: I haven't, but there's a number of cross-platform frameworks like wxwidgets |
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| 16:04.13 | jhaluska | jelly: Yeah I was looking at wxwidgets |
| 16:04.29 | Natilous | I want to schedule the "proz" to run at 3 o'clock with cron ! but it 's not work ... ! |
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| 16:04.47 | jelly | !doesn't work |
| 16:04.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:05.28 | jelly | Natilous: what does your crontab line look like? Where did you put it? Is your app in the default path? |
| 16:05.30 | Natilous | jelly: no doesn't work |
| 16:05.44 | Natilous | yes .. it is |
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| 16:06.34 | jhaluska | Natilous: Paste the line in your crontab that you're trying to schedule proz to run with |
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| 16:06.53 | Natilous | proz use terminal to run ... if put the "&" in end of line proz does'nt run ! |
| 16:06.54 | Natilous | ok |
| 16:07.21 | jhaluska | Natilous: Have you gotten other programs to work with cron before? |
| 16:07.48 | Natilous | yes ... |
| 16:08.06 | Natilous | jhaluska: wget work correct ! |
| 16:08.36 | tx1 | hey, need some help regarding routing tables |
| 16:08.39 | tx1 | i have 2 uplinks, and i'd like to route 25 port to first uplink, second will be default |
| 16:08.42 | Natilous | jhaluska: but I want to use PROZILLA (proz) ... ! |
| 16:09.04 | jelly | Natilous: can your app run noninteractively? |
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| 16:09.23 | Natilous | noninteractively ??? what is it ? |
| 16:09.34 | jelly | Natilous: can it run without a terminal? |
| 16:09.36 | jhaluska | Natilous: Does it require user interaction? |
| 16:10.25 | Natilous | jelly: no ... |
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| 16:10.44 | jelly | Natilous: then you can't run it from cron |
| 16:10.46 | Natilous | jelly: http://i19.tinypic.com/7xjds02.png |
| 16:11.21 | Natilous | jelly: how can schedule it ... ? |
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| 16:11.58 | jelly | Natilous: which one on the screenshot is your app? |
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| 16:12.39 | Natilous | jelly:in the left hand . (have green "#") |
| 16:12.54 | Natilous | jelly: sorry it is wrong |
| 16:13.14 | enouf | pastebin text ffs |
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| 16:14.28 | jhaluska | heh, its sad what I get to work with at work for this product. I'm trying to setup an old computer and the cdrom doesn't work so I'm doing a debian floppy / network installation |
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| 16:15.18 | Natilous | jelly:http://i28.tinypic.com/rmpqp5.png |
| 16:15.24 | jelly | jhaluska: I got a machine the other day that has a cdrom-like door on it, but there's nothing behind |
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| 16:15.33 | jhaluska | jelly: haha |
| 16:15.46 | jelly | complete with a fake eject button |
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| 16:16.03 | jhaluska | jelly: It wasn't like a cover for a real cd-rom was it? |
| 16:16.17 | jelly | jhaluska: it fooled me! |
| 16:16.26 | jhaluska | I have to play with, a P2-333 with 64 megs of ram, and another computer a Celeron 533 with 128 megs of ram. |
| 16:16.43 | Natilous | jelly: do you see it ? |
| 16:16.46 | pumpkin0 | is libssl0.9.8c-4etch3 clean? |
| 16:17.33 | stew | pumpkin0: clean? |
| 16:18.13 | pumpkin0 | stew: is the ssl/ssh random-generator bug fixed in that version or not ? |
| 16:18.23 | stew | pumpkin0: /topic |
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| 16:18.30 | jhaluska | It's my lunch time, bb in 30-45 minutes |
| 16:18.40 | Natilous | jelly: any idea ? |
| 16:18.51 | Natilous | jhaluska: any idea ? |
| 16:18.52 | pumpkin0 | stew: thanks. |
| 16:20.52 | jhaluska | Natilous: I'm not that much of a linux guru. Does it show up after you run ps -e, after it is suppose to run? |
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| 16:21.43 | Natilous | jhaluska: do you see this link ? http://i28.tinypic.com/rmpqp5.png |
| 16:21.54 | jhaluska | Natilous: Yes |
| 16:21.57 | Natilous | proz run in terminal like thisa !!! |
| 16:22.28 | jhaluska | Natilous: Did you open up a terminal and then typed "proz"? |
| 16:22.38 | hoxu | !!!! |
| 16:22.38 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 16:22.59 | Natilous | jhaluska: Yes ! |
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| 16:23.16 | Natilous | jhaluska: proz -r -s --timeout=5 --tries=0 -k=10 ftp://ftp.bahcesehir.edu.tr/pub/knoppix/DVD/KNOPPIX_V5.3.1DVD-2008-03-26-EN.iso |
| 16:23.31 | jhaluska | Natilous: When you run it from cron, it won't have a terminal that will pop up. |
| 16:23.48 | Natilous | jhaluska: yes ... ! |
| 16:23.52 | jhaluska | Natilous: Do you want it to run only once? |
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| 16:24.09 | Natilous | jhaluska: Daily ... ! at 3 o'clock ! |
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| 16:24.34 | jhaluska | Natilous: Why are you downloading the iso every day? |
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| 16:25.09 | H4lon4 | Is it possible to configure aptitude and/or dselect not to distinguish between main/contrib/non-free |
| 16:25.22 | Natilous | jhaluska: in Iran we have No High speed Internet .. ! |
| 16:25.55 | jhaluska | Natilous: Oh so this will grab a bit of it every day? |
| 16:26.22 | Natilous | jhaluska: sure .. ! I have 64 K adsl connection .. ! |
| 16:26.52 | Natilous | a DVD image download in 23-24 houres |
| 16:27.02 | jhaluska | Natilous: btw, when you keep using an exclamation point unnecessarily, it's like you're shouting. |
| 16:27.20 | amphi | Natilous: seems ok - how often do you need to do that? |
| 16:27.44 | Natilous | jhaluska: I dont underestand ! |
| 16:27.45 | jhaluska | Natilous: Well what I'm thinking is that it might be running and you don't know it. |
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| 16:28.03 | jhaluska | Natilous: Change "I don't understand!" to "I don't understand." |
| 16:28.13 | jhaluska | Natilous: I'm just correcting your english. |
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| 16:28.33 | Natilous | jhaluska: :D thanx .. ! |
| 16:28.43 | jhaluska | facepalms |
| 16:28.56 | Bushmills | lol! |
| 16:29.07 | Natilous | jhaluska: sorry for bad ENG .. ! |
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| 16:29.22 | jhaluska | Natilous: It's no big deal |
| 16:29.41 | Natilous | deal ... ! |
| 16:29.55 | jhaluska | Natilous: Are you familiar with the "ps" command? |
| 16:30.18 | jelly | Natilous: what's wrong with wget --continue? :-) |
| 16:30.19 | Natilous | jhaluska: yes .. ! |
| 16:30.39 | Bushmills | Natilous: can you, for a test, just press space, followed by enter? |
| 16:30.39 | Natilous | jelly: wget is not a ACCELERATOR .. ! |
| 16:30.56 | jelly | Natilous: no, but it works |
| 16:31.26 | Natilous | jelly: yes but has long time here ! |
| 16:31.46 | Natilous | jelly:http://prozilla.genesys.ro/?p=installation |
| 16:31.54 | amphi | Natilous: wget will probably use all your bandwidth in any case |
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| 16:32.31 | jelly | Natilous: wget was written when the author's whole country had a 128kbps connection to internet, and designed to deal with crappy lines |
| 16:32.38 | Bushmills | a good "accelerator" is a local proxy cache. squid, for example. |
| 16:32.45 | Natilous | amphi: yes .. ! I use it for DL tiny files .. |
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| 16:33.18 | amphi | Natilous: great! it works for large ones too! |
| 16:33.45 | jelly | Natilous: I doubt you'll get much more out of that line with prozilla's multiple connections compared to wget, but it's possible. |
| 16:35.09 | jhaluska | If wget already saturates your bandwidth, I don't see how prozilla will help |
| 16:35.15 | Natilous | jelly: Does it can work like proz .. and accerate downloads ? |
| 16:35.52 | jelly | Natilous: no. Have you actually confirmed that prozilla is faster? |
| 16:36.11 | Natilous | jhaluska: with prozilla I download 1 GB in 3-4 hours ... with wget 1 GB download in 1 or 2 days ? |
| 16:37.31 | Natilous | jelly: here is faster .. :D |
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| 16:37.52 | jelly | Natilous: lftp has a parallel download command (pget) and can work in background |
| 16:38.30 | jhaluska | I installed the very bare minimum for debian via the disks, I'm trying to install xcfe4 now, which apt-get got, but I tried running startx and it didn't find it. Is there some other method to run it? |
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| 16:38.43 | jelly | jhaluska: /msg dpkg install x |
| 16:39.00 | jhaluska | jelly: thanks |
| 16:39.15 | jelly | jhaluska: wait... it didn't find "startx", or startx didn't find xfce? |
| 16:39.24 | Natilous | jhaluska: than you for your help .. ! |
| 16:39.32 | Natilous | jelly: thank you too ... ! |
| 16:39.39 | jhaluska | jelly: Command not found |
| 16:39.50 | Bushmills | Natilous: 1 gigabyte in 4 hours corresponds to about 550 kbit/sec. far more than your 64 kbit line can carry |
| 16:39.53 | jelly | jhaluska: which command? :-) |
| 16:40.19 | jhaluska | jelly: : startx results in command not found |
| 16:40.21 | halflife | jhaluska: install xbase-clients |
| 16:40.31 | jelly | jhaluska: I bet startxfce4 is there, though |
| 16:40.38 | Natilous | Bushmills: yes .. but it is LIMIT line for some hours ! |
| 16:40.38 | jhaluska | jelly: Let me check |
| 16:41.06 | jhaluska | jelly: Indeed it is, now it's complaining about xinit |
| 16:41.17 | jhaluska | halflife: I'll give that a try. |
| 16:41.25 | jelly | jhaluska: back to "install xbase-clients" or just /msg dpkg install x |
| 16:41.46 | Bushmills | Natilous: you can get that (impression) when an incomplete download is continued. |
| 16:41.56 | halflife | jhaluska: when you are missing a file you can use apt-file to search which package has it or go to packages.debian.org and search |
| 16:42.11 | Bushmills | though wget supports continuing downloads too. but needs to be requested explicitely. |
| 16:42.33 | H4lon4 | Is it possible to configure aptitude and/or dselect not to distinguish between main/contrib/non-free |
| 16:42.42 | jelly | H4lon4: what do you mean? |
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| 16:44.01 | Natilous | Bushmills: :D but I want to use quickly,,, |
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| 16:44.14 | jelly | H4lon4: oh, I see. Does aptitude's View -> New flat package list help? |
| 16:44.29 | tx1 | anyone knows any console browser with java support ? |
| 16:44.32 | Bushmills | what apt (or dselect, using the apt backend) "distinguishes", or not, between, is specified in /etc/apt/sources.list (or /etc/apt/source.list.d/*) |
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| 16:45.04 | Natilous | we have data bank here .. ! |
| 16:45.12 | Bushmills | Natilous: do you have a local proxy cache? like squid, for web browsing and such? |
| 16:45.25 | Natilous | Bushmills: No, i don't. |
| 16:45.55 | Natilous | Bushmills: I use ADSL connection ... ! |
| 16:45.55 | Bushmills | Natilous: that would really speed up, by delivering from local cache what has been transferred already before. |
| 16:46.30 | Bushmills | especially, say, web sites with lots of small pictures, icons, bullets, and such. |
| 16:47.03 | Natilous | Bushmills: thank you for your help ... |
| 16:47.07 | Bushmills | np |
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| 16:47.34 | H4lon4 | jelly: but now I have an alphabetical list of several thousand packages |
| 16:47.45 | jelly | H4lon4: yep. |
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| 16:48.59 | maestro | hello, on my system the /etc/default/locale is not parsed by ssh |
| 16:49.03 | H4lon4 | jelly: I was meaning catagorized, but with no seperation between free beer and free speech packages |
| 16:49.18 | maestro | a "su -" parses the /etc/default/locale.. why so? |
| 16:50.09 | fas3r_ | it's possible to use openvpn with eap tls ? |
| 16:51.33 | jelly | H4lon4: it's just a representation of what's in the repos; if you create your own repo having, say, "multiverse" instead of main, contrib, and non-free, you'll see only that |
| 16:52.00 | H4lon4 | jelly: oh yeah, forgot that |
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| 16:52.07 | stew | maestro: this usually happens by having "auth required pam_env.so envfile=/etc/default/locale" in /etc/pam.d/ssh |
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| 16:52.36 | stew | maestro: (and /etc/pam.d/{su,login} would also have similar lines) |
| 16:52.48 | maestro | # Read environment variables from /etc/environment and |
| 16:52.48 | maestro | # /etc/security/pam_env.conf. |
| 16:52.48 | maestro | auth required pam_env.so # [1] |
| 16:52.48 | maestro | # In Debian 4.0 (etch), locale-related environment variables were moved to |
| 16:52.48 | maestro | # /etc/default/locale, so read that as well. |
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| 16:53.13 | stew | !tell maestro about paste |
| 16:54.16 | maestro | stew: i have these lines in pam.d/ssh file |
| 16:54.28 | maestro | stew: this one too: auth required pam_env.so # [1] |
| 16:54.47 | stew | maestro: what makes you think that ssh isn't reading /etc/default/locale ? |
| 16:55.23 | maestro | because locale doesn't contains the variables which are defined in /etc/defualt/locale |
| 16:56.13 | maestro | stew: should i have to parse the default/locale file in .bashrc or in .bash_profile? |
| 16:56.56 | stew | maestro: no you shouldn't have to. |
| 16:57.06 | stew | maestro: are you sure that the LANG ins't be redefined somewhere else? |
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| 16:57.34 | maestro | stew: no .. wait, i'll grep /etc and home dir |
| 16:57.40 | stew | maestro: what does "grep UsePAM /etc/ssh/sshd_config" return |
| 16:58.06 | H4lon4 | minesweeper in aptitude? |
| 16:58.20 | H4lon4 | I thought it was a package manager, not a game |
| 16:58.25 | maestro | stew: # UsePAM yes |
| 16:58.37 | stew | maestro: ahh, so that expains it |
| 17:00.02 | maestro | stew: so i have to activate this? |
| 17:00.38 | stew | maestro: that would be one way. it makes me wonder, however, who disabled UsePAM and why. |
| 17:00.50 | stew | maestro: whoever did might have had a good reason to |
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| 17:02.23 | maestro | stew: hmm.. yes.. then it should be off. |
| 17:03.07 | maestro | stew: there are only language variables in /etc/default/locale |
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| 17:04.12 | jhaluska | ok I got xcfe4 running |
| 17:05.59 | halflife | jhaluska: good for you |
| 17:06.03 | jhaluska | Thanks :) |
| 17:06.19 | jhaluska | I like being paid to learn linux better :D |
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| 17:06.56 | jhaluska | Anybody know the pros and cons between mysql and postgresql? |
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| 17:10.15 | vraa | jhaluska: i've heard that mysql is easier to administrate, however postgresql has some features which are more stable or something like that |
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| 17:11.11 | jhaluska | vraa: Stability does need to be considered. Probably stability then speed is the biggest constraints |
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| 17:11.27 | vraa | properly setup, i wouldn't say mysql is unstable |
| 17:11.42 | jhaluska | Especially for how simple my setup would be. |
| 17:11.52 | jhaluska | Maybe a couple dozen tables and 10k records? |
| 17:11.54 | vraa | how simple? |
| 17:11.58 | vraa | oh that sounds like mysql would be easy |
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| 17:12.01 | wols_ | does mysql finally have a online backup? |
| 17:12.05 | vraa | that way you'd also have a massive amount of tutorials and what not |
| 17:12.08 | vraa | what is online backup? |
| 17:12.16 | wols_ | a DB backup while the DB runs |
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| 17:12.25 | vraa | isn't that backup w/o table locking? |
| 17:12.32 | wols_ | so you don't need to shut down the DB while backing up |
| 17:12.54 | asg | wols_: you can do mysqldump but not a filesystem backup |
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| 17:13.03 | NthDegree | hey guys, is there a way to remove all paclages from a specific branch (i.e. non-free) |
| 17:13.25 | vraa | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/backup.html |
| 17:13.27 | NthDegree | I want to remove all packages listed as non-free in debian repos from my system, how can I go about that |
| 17:13.38 | vraa | you can use 'lock tables', that "allows other clients to continue to query the tables" |
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| 17:18.17 | justin | NthDegree: install and run vrms |
| 17:18.46 | asg | haha, good answer |
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| 17:19.14 | nick_sam | how do i download a 4.2 gb data (linux iso) from site with passwd and usernet with wget or curl |
| 17:19.40 | NthDegree | hahaha lovely |
| 17:19.42 | NthDegree | "No non-free packages installed on hp3700.daemonix! rms would be proud." |
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| 17:20.05 | xlt | hey now |
| 17:20.12 | NthDegree | now to get the unstable repos in for non-free only >.> |
| 17:20.13 | asg | nick_sam: a good start would be by reading the manpage |
| 17:20.18 | enouf | NthDegree: ~$ grep-status non-free /var/lib/dpkg/status | less |
| 17:20.22 | [newbie] | stew: after adding "AcceptEnv LANG LC_*" in sshd_config my locale lang variables are accepted.. its a workaround .. but working.. |
| 17:20.33 | xlt | q: Doing aptitude install postgresql-8.3 <-- is there anyway to control the initdb? I want the locale=C .. instead of en_US |
| 17:21.09 | chops | Does anyone happen to know of a tool to collect and report the results of unit tests on a web site? |
| 17:21.25 | justin | xlt: try dpkg-reconfigure postgresql-8.3 |
| 17:21.56 | xlt | k thanks man |
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| 17:22.09 | xlt | hopefully it's smart enough to reinitdb into the same directory :) |
| 17:22.23 | enouf | though, i guess i would | grep Package, for a list, rather than | less |
| 17:22.53 | xlt | justin, it just stops/restarts :( |
| 17:23.20 | justin | xlt: ah well, you can just edit the config file I think |
| 17:23.27 | justin | xlt: or pass the encoding when you run createdb |
| 17:23.34 | enouf | export LC_ALL=C ? |
| 17:23.58 | justin | no, createdb -E |
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| 17:24.10 | enouf | chops: unit tests? |
| 17:24.26 | enouf | chops: awstats? |
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| 17:25.06 | chops | enouf: This seems like a really twisted use of awstats, but it's almost funny enough to make sense :-) |
| 17:25.18 | xlt | enouf, i just purged and reinstalled with LC_ALL=C and LANG=C ..gonna see if this works |
| 17:25.28 | xlt | i would have thought there would have been an cleaner way somehow |
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| 17:25.38 | enouf | i don't know what 'unit tests' are |
| 17:25.46 | enouf | ok |
| 17:26.00 | chops | enouf: What I'm currently looking at is bamboo (proprietary software, http://www.atlassian.com/software/bamboo/features/insight.jsp), but I'd like to keep it OSS if possible |
| 17:26.13 | xlt | ya, the lc_all and lang=c worked |
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| 17:26.36 | enouf | nice |
| 17:26.54 | xlt | thx justin/enouf |
| 17:28.28 | humbolto | What are the correct MTU and MRU for PPTP ADSL? |
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| 17:29.14 | humbolto | I once had a lot of problems with an MTU smaller than the default 1500, as some servers where not able to serve smaller MTUs. |
| 17:29.33 | humbolto | So I had lots of trouble accessing these servers. |
| 17:29.45 | chops | humbolto: That's very broken behavior for those servers. What servers were they? |
| 17:30.12 | humbolto | chops: Don't remember exactly. I think one actually was mashable.com |
| 17:30.57 | chops | humbolto: I would be inclined to guess that that's stupidly paranoid behavior by a firewall protecting those servers, not specifically a problem with the server itself. Either way, it's very seriously broken. |
| 17:31.38 | humbolto | So setting an MTU of 1492 should not pose any problem. |
| 17:31.45 | chops | humbolto: No |
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| 17:32.09 | humbolto | 1492 as far as I know is the max for PPTP, right? |
| 17:32.41 | stew | humbolto: do you really mean pptp or pppoe? |
| 17:32.46 | humbolto | yes |
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| 17:32.53 | chops | humbolto: I remember 1492 for pppoe, but it's been a while |
| 17:33.05 | humbolto | stew: We have pptp dsl here in Austria. |
| 17:34.11 | humbolto | With PPTP AFAIK you can have an MTU of 1500 too, but the router is busy then chopping the frames into slices. |
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| 17:34.53 | chops | humbolto: Right... you can even do great things like set jumbo frames with a non-jumbo-capable switch. Your performance in that case will not be very good. I speak from experience :-). |
| 17:34.53 | stew | yeah 1492 was for pppoe |
| 17:35.37 | stew | but pptp is something different. it is a VPN protocol from microsoft |
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| 17:38.52 | neuro_damage | I messed up my courier-imapd-ssl installation and I want to completely reinstall it, but it's failing with |
| 17:38.58 | neuro_damage | apt-get --reinstall install courier**** |
| 17:39.24 | neuro_damage | /var/cache/**/courier-imap-ssl***.deb returned an error code (1) |
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| 17:40.11 | neuro_damage | the ERR: config file missing |
| 17:40.45 | neuro_damage | is there a way to ignore errors and seriously for the isntallation of the package again? |
| 17:40.46 | justin | neuro_damage: actual output would help |
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| 17:41.09 | justin | neuro_damage: yeah, try purging it first |
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| 17:42.42 | humbolto | What about MRU for PPTP DSL? |
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| 17:43.50 | neuro_damage | justin: purge a removeal |
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| 17:44.39 | slidesinger | I have found howtos for configuring user settings for xterm which use .Xresources and some which use .Xdefaults. Is one preferred over the other? |
| 17:44.51 | chops | humbolto: I agree with stew; I don't think you really mean PPTP. PPTP is a VPN protocol, not a DSL protocol. |
| 17:45.01 | neuro_damage | http://pastebin.com/d3436363d |
| 17:45.07 | neuro_damage | justin: there's the link to the output |
| 17:45.09 | humbolto | chops: Believe it! |
| 17:45.26 | humbolto | http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/76294/15/ |
| 17:45.43 | legis | where can I set the for debian to use a gcc version as default? |
| 17:45.51 | legis | for compiling |
| 17:46.08 | rahul | you can add -V 4.1 or whatever to your CFLAGS env var |
| 17:46.11 | humbolto | chops: I think it is even mentioned in wikipedia that Austria uses PPTP at least the Austrian Telekom does. |
| 17:46.18 | rahul | that might be sufficient for you |
| 17:46.25 | maligor | humbolto, yeah, rather depressing |
| 17:46.36 | rahul | otherwise... hrm. there's a file there somewhere that indicates which is default... |
| 17:46.38 | maligor | easier to track users with |
| 17:46.50 | humbolto | maligor: inode has pppoe for its xdsl product. |
| 17:46.56 | slidesinger | legis: gcc is a symlink to the actual gcc. |
| 17:47.04 | chops | humbolto: That's very strange |
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| 17:47.22 | chops | humbolto: Anyway, the last time I set up a PPTP tunnel the MTU and everything got set up automatically IIRC |
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| 17:47.40 | legis | slidesinger: ah |
| 17:47.41 | slidesinger | legis: Such as gcc-4.1 |
| 17:47.47 | legis | slidesinger: I see |
| 17:47.49 | NthDegree | legis: if you have gcc-3.4 and want to change to that you'd do something like this |
| 17:48.11 | legis | change the symbolic link then? |
| 17:48.13 | NthDegree | legis: rm /usr/bin/gcc && ln -s gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 17:48.16 | NthDegree | basically yeah |
| 17:48.29 | NthDegree | but you need to do it for g++ and gcj etc. separately if you use those |
| 17:48.58 | humbolto | chops: PPTP actually supports MTUs of 1500. As the necessary fragmentation takes place on the client AFAIK. But it makes the whole thing slower. |
| 17:49.13 | legis | yeah, thanks all. |
| 17:49.16 | rahul | NthDegree: hmm yeah... what happens when gcc gets upgraded, tho? |
| 17:49.23 | slidesinger | legis: Advise: I found it a good idea to change the symlinks back when I was finished. |
| 17:49.28 | rahul | does that get blown away or is it a conf file? |
| 17:49.32 | justin | humbolto: MTU as in "max without fragmentation" |
| 17:49.37 | justin | humbolto: if it is fragmenting it, that doesn't count |
| 17:49.45 | humbolto | chops: And I am wondering if using an MTU of 1500 might introduce any other problems. |
| 17:49.46 | NthDegree | rahul: it won't get blown away as it's only added, not changed |
| 17:49.57 | NthDegree | rahul: if the symlink exists it won't touch it |
| 17:50.07 | NthDegree | unless it points to an invalid location |
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| 17:50.28 | rahul | NthDegree: hmm, I don't think so |
| 17:50.47 | rahul | NthDegree: if the default gcc version changes, it will probably get redirected |
| 17:50.47 | humbolto | justin: I know, still PPTP is a transparent PPP protocol, so it does the chopping transparently. |
| 17:50.55 | rahul | the debian standard for the default |
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| 17:51.06 | humbolto | I am pretty sure I could even set an MTU of 2400 or something else. |
| 17:51.59 | legis | slidesinger: yes, will do so. |
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| 17:52.11 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I optimize my Screen Resolution on a Debian installation on a USB stick I carry around and use on many different computers ? One computer might have widescreen, one might accept 1280x1024, another only 800x600. Any suggestions? |
| 17:52.17 | justin | humbolto: that won't work very well with DF set :) |
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| 17:52.26 | rahul | simply using -V X.Y is easy... |
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| 17:52.41 | rahul | that way it only applies in the current invocation |
| 17:52.59 | rahul | CFLAGS="-V 3.3" make, for example |
| 17:53.01 | stew | Jemt: with the xorg in testing, you don't have to specify screen resolution, it should be detected when you startx, and you can change the resolution after starting x with xrandr |
| 17:53.35 | Jemt | stew: Oh, that sounds very interesting :) |
| 17:53.58 | Jemt | stew: There are no alternatives if I want to run Stable ? |
| 17:54.14 | Jemt | Testing might run well, but this is for a commercial product |
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| 17:55.29 | rahul | ubuntu is a commercial product, and that's bassed off unstable ;) |
| 17:55.32 | plota | you could make a default of 1280x1024 with another mode of 800x600, won't that fall back if you're on the other? |
| 17:55.52 | stew | Jemt: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg before starting x like ubuntu |
| 17:55.53 | Jemt | rahul: Ubuntu is heavily patched ;) |
| 17:56.05 | maligor | rahul, more like an alternative to experimental |
| 17:56.18 | rahul | maligor: well, yeah, but based off unstable |
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| 17:56.29 | Jemt | plota: It will. But I can't force a smaller resolution for some reason if I think the selected is too high |
| 17:56.29 | stew | Jemt: or backport xorg 7.3 to stable |
| 17:56.51 | Jemt | stew: dpkg-reconfigure asks questions - even with .plow |
| 17:56.53 | Jemt | -plow |
| 17:57.02 | rahul | uh |
| 17:57.08 | Jemt | stew: Ah, backport might be an option |
| 17:57.13 | rahul | Jemt: man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:57.13 | Jemt | Is that considered stable ? |
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| 17:57.19 | bjwebb | hi |
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| 17:57.23 | Jemt | rahul: Huh ? |
| 17:57.39 | Jemt | rahul: As I mentioned, it will ask questions. Try yourself :) |
| 17:57.48 | rahul | Jemt: that's like saying, "my engine uses gas even when I'm driving at 100 mph" |
| 17:58.10 | Jemt | rahul: Sorry, I don't follow :) |
| 17:58.10 | stew | Jemt: -plow (which is the default anyway) means ask all possible questions |
| 17:58.22 | Jemt | Ah, I meant -phigh of cause |
| 17:58.23 | Jemt | Sorry |
| 17:58.24 | bjwebb | if i apt-get source a package, are the debian patches applied for me? |
| 17:58.42 | Jemt | course* |
| 17:58.49 | stew | bjwebb: yes |
| 17:59.13 | rahul | Jemt: what questions? |
| 17:59.23 | plota | well it'd be tough to find a telepathic mode selector, but if the monitor couldn't handle one the other would be tried i thinkk |
| 17:59.34 | stew | bjwebb: well the debian diff is applied. the rules for building the package (in debian/rules) might do more patching at build-time (often from patches in debian/patches) |
| 17:59.41 | rahul | Jemt: you can force a noninteractive frontend instead |
| 17:59.51 | bjwebb | okay |
| 18:00.00 | Jemt | rahul: Won't that affect the entire system ? |
| 18:00.01 | bjwebb | thanks |
| 18:00.07 | Jemt | effect |
| 18:00.20 | stew | Jemt: unless you want to actually answer questions to dpkg-reconfigure, you really want to either be using 7.3 or having a look at however knoppix does what it does |
| 18:00.21 | Jemt | Ah, "affect" was right :) |
| 18:00.21 | rahul | Jemt: only if you make it a system configuration |
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| 18:00.31 | rahul | Jemt: again, man dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:00.41 | Jemt | rahul: I will look into that option. Thanks :) |
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| 18:01.03 | neuro_damage | can one rebuild the dpkg database? |
| 18:01.26 | legis | what package do you need to to 'make menuconfig' for the kernel in debian? |
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| 18:01.52 | Jemt | stew: Why? The auto configuration is not good enough ? |
| 18:01.57 | Bushmills | legis: ncurses-dev iirc |
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| 18:02.08 | stew | Jemt: sometimes it is |
| 18:02.09 | neuro_damage | legis: huh, that's a good question, you should already have it all but ncurses, gcc? |
| 18:02.45 | Jemt | stew: Expirenced any problems since you recommend xorg 7.3 ? |
| 18:02.54 | centosian | does anyone know how I can get java to work on a machine with no swap and 256 MB of ram? javac -version yields: Error occurred during initialization of VM: Could not reserve enough space for object heap. Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 18:02.56 | stew | Jemt: have i experienced problems with 7.3? |
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| 18:03.09 | stew | Jemt: none at all but i've only used it on very well supported hardware |
| 18:03.10 | centosian | I tried with the java from the stable repos, and from unstable |
| 18:03.34 | Jemt | stew: No, have you expirenced problems with the Stable version, since you recommend 7.3 ? |
| 18:03.42 | Bushmills | centosian: some swap might help |
| 18:03.45 | stew | Jemt: i haven't used it |
| 18:03.50 | Jemt | Wouldn't dpkg-reconfigure do just as good as job as xorg 7.3 ? |
| 18:03.55 | stew | no |
| 18:03.56 | Jemt | Ah, okay |
| 18:04.03 | Jemt | stew: Okay :-/ |
| 18:04.14 | centosian | Bushmills: I know, but it's a friend's virtual server and I don't think there's the _option_ of swap (!) |
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| 18:04.26 | Jemt | BRB |
| 18:04.42 | stew | centosian: what happens if you run "javac -Xmx16M -version" or something |
| 18:04.55 | centosian | no diff |
| 18:05.06 | stew | centosian: what happens if you run "javac -Xmx8M -version" |
| 18:05.08 | neuro_damage | I am getting a ton of dpkg errors and pre-removal |
| 18:05.17 | legis | Bushmills: neuro_damage libncurses-dev? |
| 18:05.25 | centosian | stew. Same, Also with avac -Xmx4M -version |
| 18:05.28 | centosian | (javac) |
| 18:05.29 | Bushmills | legis: libncurses-dev, yes |
| 18:05.34 | stew | centosian: what does "readlink -f $(which javac)" return? |
| 18:05.40 | neuro_damage | legis: sounds good to me |
| 18:05.59 | centosian | stew: /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/bin/javac |
| 18:06.11 | legis | yeah, that worked :) |
| 18:06.44 | jcsteele | i got a shell script that I need to run when the machine reboots .. so I made the script, made a init.d script calling it, and added it to the startup with update-rc.d myscript defaults 99 - but I still can't get the thing to run....it works fine if I run it when the machine is fully booted...I am curious if commands such as tar, gzip, touch, etc. are available during startup ? do i need to call them using the explicit path (i.e. /bin/tar ) ? |
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| 18:07.34 | adama | jcsteele: pastebin your ini.d script, or use a cronjob with '@reboot' |
| 18:08.21 | stew | neuro_damage: what happens if you run "bash -x /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl start" |
| 18:08.37 | stew | neuro_damage: that should tell you where it is failing (causing courier-imap-ssl configuration to fail) |
| 18:09.22 | centosian | stew: re: java problem; the hosting software reports that I'm hitting a hard resource limit on "privvmpages" |
| 18:09.37 | centosian | (virtuozzo, apparently) |
| 18:09.46 | neuro_damage | stew: looking at it now |
| 18:09.58 | centosian | that machine *has* about 4GB of ram, but I think we can only use 256MB |
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| 18:10.13 | neuro_damage | stew: my apt-get is failing for everything actually, it's not hte issue with /etc/coourierimapd right now that's the issue |
| 18:10.14 | jcsteele | adama: debian.pastebin.com/m5524dadc |
| 18:10.23 | neuro_damage | stew: it's with apt-get, even apt-get dist-upgrade, fails |
| 18:10.48 | Bushmills | centosian: you can send me two of your surplus gigabytes., |
| 18:11.00 | centosian | Bushmills: heh |
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| 18:11.07 | jcsteele | any help would be appreciated....we converted a 30 station computer lab from XP to linux and i am charged with making sure things function properly...but this is a big hurdle |
| 18:11.15 | stew | neuro_damage: i was looking at "http://pastebin.com/d3436363d" and the errors there are caused by /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl ; is there something else I should be looking at? |
| 18:11.52 | centosian | jcsteele: it has to do with the /etc/rc3.d directory (assuming runlevel 3) |
| 18:11.52 | vvd | hey, sorry for being OT, any idea why i cant connect to frs.sourceforge.net? i get connection refused for webdav, sftp and http. i can however connect when i connect from another host |
| 18:12.10 | neuro_damage | stew: http://pastebin.com/m7e398 |
| 18:12.37 | jcsteele | centosian: can you elaborate? i am not following. |
| 18:12.51 | stew | neuro_damage: did you delete the debian-sys-maint user from mysql? |
| 18:12.52 | neuro_damage | stew: http://pastebin.com/d3cc5a489 |
| 18:12.52 | centosian | do you know about runlevels and /etc/rcN.d directories? |
| 18:13.08 | centosian | (that was to jcsteele ) |
| 18:13.26 | neuro_damage | stew: i have a mysql user, but I don't see a debian-sys-main in /etc/passwd? |
| 18:13.34 | jcsteele | centosian: yes...the proper symlinks were setup, etc. but i am still learning. |
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| 18:13.43 | jcsteele | centosian: using update-rc.d |
| 18:13.48 | neuro_damage | stew: debian-exim is the only user debian-, that I see |
| 18:13.50 | stew | neuro_damage: you shouldn't have a debian-sys-maint user in /etc/passwd, only in mysql |
| 18:14.08 | Bushmills | centosian: simplify init.d script. add some echo $LINENO >> /tmp/foo to it. |
| 18:14.26 | centosian | jcsteele: I don't think that's what you want. Bushmills that's not my issue |
| 18:15.00 | centosian | jcsteele: you want to alter /etc/rc.local I believe |
| 18:15.07 | adama | jcsteele: what happens if you do /etc/init.d/psso start now? |
| 18:15.08 | neuro_damage | stew: the more important issue that i'm trying to resolve is the courier-imap-ssl mail pkg first :( |
| 18:15.13 | jcsteele | adama: works fine. |
| 18:15.14 | centosian | Or make stop/start scripts in the right runlevel rc dir |
| 18:15.23 | stew | 14:08 < stew> neuro_damage: what happens if you run "bash -x /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl start" |
| 18:15.29 | Bushmills | right, sorry centosian. s/centosian/jcsteele/ |
| 18:15.31 | jcsteele | centosian: i tried placing the shell script directly in /etc/rc.local - but nothing worked. |
| 18:15.34 | stew | neuro_damage: can you show me the output of the above? |
| 18:15.58 | centosian | jcsteele: read up on runlevels and debian stop/start scripts |
| 18:16.17 | neuro_damage | stew: http://pastebin.com/d20f8bd71 |
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| 18:16.25 | jcsteele | centosian: so I have it in the wrong runlevel then basically... ? |
| 18:16.34 | centosian | jcsteele: no |
| 18:16.57 | stew | neuro_damage: so that worked. do you actually want courier-imap-ssl isntalled or not? |
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| 18:18.32 | neuro_damage | stew: I want it installed, but it seems I can't install it. |
| 18:18.50 | neuro_damage | stew: right but the /etc/courier directory got trashed |
| 18:19.12 | stew | neuro_damage: reinstall the courier pacakges with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 18:19.15 | neuro_damage | stew: I created the directory structure again just to see if that would allow me to uninstall it, but that doesn't seem to be working |
| 18:19.32 | Jemt | rahul and stew: Thank for all your advises regarding auto configuration of X. I'm off to test :) |
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| 18:20.23 | vjoe | hey |
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| 18:21.10 | lynn | can i chat wit u |
| 18:21.21 | tarzeau | yes |
| 18:21.30 | lynn | hi |
| 18:21.33 | tarzeau | hello |
| 18:21.47 | lynn | how waz 2day |
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| 18:22.02 | stew | lynn: if you don't have a debian related question, please keep quiet or move on |
| 18:22.16 | stew | lynn: if you are looking for social chat, try #defocus |
| 18:22.53 | lynn | am sorry4 interruptinig |
| 18:23.07 | adama | centosian: try putting in a cron job: @reboot /psso/pssorestore.sh |
| 18:23.26 | adama | jcsteele: try putting in a cron job: @reboot /psso/pssorestore.sh |
| 18:23.28 | adama | sorry |
| 18:23.39 | neuro_damage | stew: didn't work, here's the pastebin http://pastebin.com/d34d6fcb8 |
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| 18:24.06 | neuro_damage | well that pastebin is still for everyone, if there's anyone who's seen that problem before? |
| 18:24.07 | pwnies | oshiii-_^: you need to fix your ssl keys |
| 18:24.14 | oshiii-_^ | inorite |
| 18:24.23 | stew | neuro_damage: you'd have to reinstall ALL of the courier packages with confmiss |
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| 18:24.49 | neuro_damage | stew: all of the packages, I don't understand? |
| 18:24.58 | neuro_damage | stew: the dependencies? i idon't know what those are? |
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| 18:25.07 | stew | neuro_damage: dpkg -l \*courier\* |
| 18:25.10 | pwnies | oshiii-_^: I take off your shirt |
| 18:25.20 | oshiii-_^ | takes off his shirt |
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| 18:25.26 | oshiii-_^ | pinches his nipples |
| 18:25.33 | stew | stop |
| 18:25.38 | varney | when i try to download files with eastern characters in them i get a 'file not found' error - can anyone help me to allow them to be downloaded? |
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| 18:26.09 | pwnies | gets out his leather whip and lets the soft leather bite oshiii-_^'s nipples |
| 18:26.20 | stew | pwnies: oshiii-_^: take this conversation elsewhere |
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| 18:26.38 | oshiii-_^ | oh lawd |
| 18:26.44 | pwnies | apt-gets oshiii-_^'s manlines |
| 18:26.51 | pwnies | Can I do that through synaptic? |
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| 18:27.23 | humbolto | stew: chops: digg.com does not seem to work with mtu of 1436 |
| 18:27.34 | chops | humbolto: Lies |
| 18:27.51 | oshiii-_^ | pwnies, you need the non-free repo for that |
| 18:27.57 | GamerX | black people smell bad |
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| 18:28.14 | humbolto | chops: no really, does not work for me here. |
| 18:28.41 | pwnies | oshiii-_^: are you saying I need to pay for your services? |
| 18:28.44 | pwnies | oshiii-_^: naughty. |
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| 18:28.52 | chops | humbolto: http://pastebin.com/m6e2c708c |
| 18:28.53 | stew | pwnies: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 18:29.05 | varney | ANYONE?? |
| 18:29.05 | neuro_damage | stew: ok trying this out :) |
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| 18:29.54 | humbolto | chops: pastebin.com does not work either. |
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| 18:30.06 | humbolto | no idea what is going on. |
| 18:30.20 | kshah | does Etch (netinst) come with a firewall enabled by default? |
| 18:30.20 | humbolto | maybe some other NAT specific problem. |
| 18:30.28 | stew | kshah: no |
| 18:30.30 | halflife | kshah: no |
| 18:30.33 | chops | humbolto: The paste shows digg.com working with an MTU of 1436. I don't think that the problem you're experiencing is at digg.com's end. |
| 18:30.48 | kshah | I'm trying to tracert to my server (Debian 4 Etch netinst), and my packets are being bounced back and forth between my server and its gateway? |
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| 18:30.50 | humbolto | chops: hopefully! |
| 18:30.55 | kshah | anyone have an idea? |
| 18:31.05 | kshah | this is only on closed ports |
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| 18:31.56 | humbolto | might have something to do with my NAT setup. I have a NAT pool of 6 addresses. Maybe I did do that wrong. |
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| 18:35.43 | Jemt | stew: Hi again. Are you sure Xorg 7.3 is available through Backports? Can't seem to find it using their package search at the website |
| 18:35.53 | stew | Jemt: i'm sure its not available through backports |
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| 18:36.26 | Jemt | stew: Ah, okay. I though I head you say that :p |
| 18:36.28 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 18:36.33 | stew | Jemt: i said you could backport it |
| 18:36.37 | ThePuppetMaster | hello @all |
| 18:37.02 | Jemt | stew: Okay :) |
| 18:37.13 | humbolto | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.38 | ThePuppetMaster | can anyone tell my why my system will briefly blocked if i copy data or delete |
| 18:38.03 | sd_ | humbolto: you have six ip addresses on a ppp interface? |
| 18:38.08 | sd_ | humbolto: thats kinda hard to believe |
| 18:38.33 | ThePuppetMaster | btw. what this can be |
| 18:38.52 | plota | i'd guess you don't have cache enabled for your partition |
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| 18:39.10 | humbolto | sd_: no, I don't have them there. But I have the others routed towards the one I have actually there by my provider. |
| 18:39.21 | sd_ | humbolto: ah, ok then |
| 18:39.27 | humbolto | Guestion is, do I have to setup some proxy arp for that? |
| 18:39.32 | sd_ | humbolto: well, the ips will be used in round robin that way |
| 18:39.47 | humbolto | sd_: that is what I want. |
| 18:40.20 | pwnies | oshiii-_^: i win! |
| 18:40.24 | humbolto | But as said, digg.com does not work currently, so I am asking myself, if my NAT pool might be the problem. |
| 18:40.32 | oshiii-_^ | yes you do |
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| 18:40.42 | oshiii-_^ | i award 1 internet to you pwnies |
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| 18:40.52 | sd_ | humbolto: well, if its just digg.com then it might be your provider |
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| 18:41.06 | sd_ | humbolto: also, apt-get install conntrack |
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| 18:41.13 | humbolto | sd_: no pastebin.com does not work either. |
| 18:41.21 | humbolto | conntrack is there |
| 18:41.26 | sd_ | humbolto: it can list nated connections in various ways so you could figure out |
| 18:41.49 | sd_ | also, it can terminate stalled nat sessions |
| 18:42.03 | neuro_damage | stew: this is driving me crazy |
| 18:42.09 | neuro_damage | stew: I tried what you mentioned last :( |
| 18:42.40 | sd_ | humbolto: also, if i were you i'd try to nat every single ip address first, to see if upstream is really routing them back to you |
| 18:43.01 | humbolto | they route the whole subnet |
| 18:43.15 | humbolto | I had 1:1 NATting before and it worked |
| 18:43.23 | humbolto | so if one works, all work. |
| 18:43.49 | sd_ | humbolto: no idea, it should work, if it does not, figure it out in conntrack listings, we're quite off topic here |
| 18:43.59 | sd_ | since this is not really related to debian, rather than linux networking in general |
| 18:44.32 | humbolto | sd_: I only have conntrack modules, don't believe a conntrack package is available for openwrt. |
| 18:44.48 | sd_ | uh, openwrt |
| 18:45.02 | humbolto | yes, the router is not debian |
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| 18:45.34 | cberlo | Hi folks. |
| 18:45.49 | sd_ | humbolto: you'll have to decipher /proc/net/ip_conntrack then |
| 18:45.50 | humbolto | is there an iptables command to delete NAT tables? |
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| 18:46.11 | sd_ | humbolto: nope :( the conntrack package does that |
| 18:46.35 | sd_ | though you could rmmod nf_conntrack / nf_nat for same effect |
| 18:46.39 | sd_ | and modprobe again .. |
| 18:47.32 | sd_ | or, uh well, get a debian box over there! |
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| 18:47.39 | sd_ | that's what you should've done in the first place :P |
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| 18:48.21 | humbolto | That is the digg.com entry: tcp 6 119 SYN_SENT src=192.168.100.42 dst=64.191.203.30 sport=41420 dport=80 packets=4 bytes=240 [UNREPLIED] src=64.191.203.30 dst=81.5.202.192 sport=80 dport=41420 packets=0 bytes=0 mark=0 use=1 |
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| 18:48.55 | humbolto | found the problem |
| 18:49.01 | humbolto | never mind |
| 18:49.02 | cberlo | Okay, folks. Got a question for you: how hard is it these days to set up a fully-functional Debian Desktop (full multimedia, driver support, etc.)? Now, how about the same basic question for a system that's got only 64MB? |
| 18:49.09 | sd_ | humbolto: digg is covering its ears from your openwrt? :) |
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| 18:49.37 | Lethalman | hello |
| 18:49.45 | Sling | cberlo : about |<-----this---->| difficult |
| 18:49.51 | Lethalman | i'm getting a list of bugs when uprading (lenny) |
| 18:49.55 | Lethalman | i didn't upgrade then |
| 18:49.58 | abrotman | cberlo: depends on how you define "desktop" |
| 18:49.59 | Lethalman | is this happening to you too? |
| 18:50.04 | humbolto | NAT seems to still use old settings |
| 18:50.04 | neuro_damage | I've been having issues, I've tried everything that this guy has tried in his email, what do I do? |
| 18:50.05 | sd_ | cberlo: its not as easy and automagic as ubuntu, but unlike ubuntu it could run fairly well on 64M pc |
| 18:50.05 | Lethalman | it's more than a week |
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| 18:50.35 | Kage_Yittai | how do I upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 18:50.43 | humbolto | sd_: easy one, have the SNAT entry in there twice |
| 18:50.47 | abrotman | !tell Kage_Yittai about etch->lenny |
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| 18:51.05 | Lethalman | Kage_Yittai, tune /etc/apt/sources.list and do an aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:51.26 | humbolto | sd_: magic, it is working now! |
| 18:51.34 | abrotman | Lethalman: we need more info about your situation ... i use lenny on multiple machines, and it seems fine |
| 18:51.57 | Lethalman | abrotman, I'll paste the output, thanks |
| 18:52.18 | Lethalman | abrotman, i'm on amd64 if this can help in the while |
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| 18:53.22 | Kage_Yittai | I get a bunch of: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:53.35 | abrotman | Kage_Yittai: paste your full sources.list in a pastebin |
| 18:53.46 | cberlo | How about defining desktop as "what an ordinary user" would be functional with for basic tasks like email, web browsing, photos, listening to music, watching DVDs, online video, that sort of thing. |
| 18:53.56 | stew | Kage_Yittai: try running "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" |
| 18:54.11 | abrotman | cberlo: right .. but do you want KDE? gnome? blackbox? ratpoison ? |
| 18:54.32 | asg | abrotman: maybe he wants an apt wrench |
| 18:54.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:54.57 | fEuErmEldEr | Hello :) Is there any possibility to install debian without the installer? It fails to mount my /boot partition, and I have no idea how to bypass this step |
| 18:55.07 | cberlo | abrotman: I don't care which interface. I want functionality, simplicity, and a good user experience (and I guess what specs for a machine I'd need to get that). I also am curious what similar options would be available for a 64MB machine. |
| 18:55.59 | asg | cberlo: you should be fine with xfce4 for a minimal but usable desktop. Things like DVDs and such may not function well at all with only 64M of memory. |
| 18:56.06 | Lethalman | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/tysx6O17.html i'm on lenny/sid |
| 18:56.35 | Lethalman | i put on hold some apps like aptitude for bugs also |
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| 18:57.01 | abrotman | Lethalman: you're running testing .. you'll get bugs like that .. i'm not sure what the problem is |
| 18:57.13 | cberlo | asg: Okay, so XFCE for low mem machine, with some sacrifices. How about a full tilt "Vista-capable" machine? |
| 18:57.16 | Lethalman | the problems it that i'm afraid about some packages |
| 18:57.19 | Lethalman | so i didn't upgrade |
| 18:57.33 | Lethalman | but this happens since several weeks |
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| 18:57.42 | Jemt | Hi again |
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| 18:58.10 | Jemt | Why does deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch testing contrib non-free in my sources.list result in this error? : Failed to fetch http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry testing/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 18:58.13 | Lethalman | abrotman, what do you suggest? to still wait? |
| 18:58.22 | Kage_Yittai | I can't do a dist-upgrade, says it can't resolve dependencies |
| 18:58.34 | abrotman | Lethalman: i wouldn't .. i'd just do it ..you're part of the testing process .. you'll see bugs like that |
| 18:58.51 | jaggz1 | my cups keeps breaking and I have to restart my computer before I can get it to work |
| 18:58.54 | jaggz1 | that's lame |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | cberlo: 64MB is not enough for vista |
| 18:58.59 | Lethalman | abrotman, what to do if, for example, grub won't boot? |
| 18:59.06 | Lethalman | can i downgrade somway? |
| 18:59.07 | jaggz1 | restarting cupsd doesn't fix it.. isn't that weird? |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | Lethalman: you have a rescue/live CD to fix it |
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| 18:59.24 | Lethalman | abrotman, what you mean? |
| 18:59.28 | abrotman | Lethalman: you have a rescue/live CD to fix it |
| 18:59.30 | Lethalman | ah |
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| 18:59.44 | abrotman | Lethalman: i've done all those upgrades .. on multiple machines .. and they still run fine |
| 18:59.48 | stew | jaggz1: becuase etch doesn't have a repository section named 'testing', it only has "main", "contrib", and "non-free". what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 18:59.49 | cberlo | abrotman: No, I don't think it is. :) But the question was two-fold: Desktop for 64MB and Desktop for "modern" machine. |
| 18:59.50 | abrotman | grumbles about radeonfb |
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| 18:59.59 | Lethalman | another question |
| 18:59.59 | stew | jaggz1: not you, sorry, ignore that |
| 19:00.04 | stew | Jemt: becuase etch doesn't have a repository section named 'testing', it only has "main", "contrib", and "non-free". what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:00.07 | Lethalman | thanks abrotman |
| 19:00.16 | Lethalman | how do I unhold all held packages? |
| 19:00.21 | abrotman | cberlo: i still don't understand what you're asking .. 64MB is a 'usable' desktop .. if it were a vista-capable machine, it would be a very nice desktop |
| 19:00.23 | Jemt | stew, Dammit, I just realized that too :) |
| 19:00.27 | abrotman | Lethalman: dist-upgrade |
| 19:00.39 | asg | abrotman: I think he wants the rotating cube stuff |
| 19:00.41 | Lethalman | ah |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | asg: IRIX FTW! |
| 19:00.49 | Lethalman | ok thanks again |
| 19:00.54 | stew | asg: rubix? |
| 19:00.57 | abrotman | !tell Lethalman about held back |
| 19:00.58 | Jemt | stew: Pointing apt to use Testing repositories. Replacing 'etch' with 'main' should do it I guess |
| 19:01.02 | Kage_Yittai | http://pastebin.ca/1027293 |
| 19:01.06 | Jemt | Wrong again |
| 19:01.09 | Jemt | Removing it* |
| 19:01.17 | Kage_Yittai | can someone take a look and tell me what I need to do |
| 19:01.21 | asg | stew: hah |
| 19:01.22 | stew | Jemt: you are trying to upgrade to testing? |
| 19:01.41 | keith4 | is there an easy way to jail sshd in debian? |
| 19:01.46 | Jemt | stew: Nope, installing Xorg 7.3 from testing, then switch back to Stable repositories afterwards :) |
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| 19:01.54 | abrotman | Kage_Yittai: i had something similar the other day .. i removed gnome, did the dist-upgrade, reinstalled gnome .. shouldn't really have to do that, but it seemed 'easier' |
| 19:02.08 | Kage_Yittai | abrotman, :\ |
| 19:02.12 | Kage_Yittai | sighs |
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| 19:02.30 | Kage_Yittai | abrotman, I don't have gnome installed though |
| 19:02.31 | Fire | Hello. Is someone familiar with xen'ing or jail'ing a debian server? |
| 19:02.36 | jaggz1 | heh |
| 19:02.39 | jaggz1 | ttyl |
| 19:02.39 | stew | 1199 packages upgraded, jeez |
| 19:02.56 | neuro_damage | where are the pkg files installed? |
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| 19:03.27 | asg | neuro_damage: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 19:03.35 | cberlo | abrotman: a 64MB desktop isn't as capable as a 1GB desktop. You can do more with more RAM. So I guess I'm really looking for the minimum RAM I'd need for "full functionality" as a Win98 or XP may have had in earlier days. |
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| 19:04.23 | g00se | cberlo: think about word processing |
| 19:04.30 | keith4 | that really, really depends on your definition of "full functionality" |
| 19:04.52 | keith4 | you can never have *too much* RAM |
| 19:05.39 | Kage_Yittai | I pray to god, my system does not break |
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| 19:05.45 | cberlo | g00se: Okay. Need a sepll chequer. :) |
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| 19:06.11 | cberlo | be right back |
| 19:06.14 | fEuErmEldEr | Or may I mount the partitions manually during install but not within the installer? |
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| 19:06.23 | g00se | cberlo: if you don't do any, then that makes your life easier on RAM |
| 19:06.31 | neuro_damage | asg: how do I force the isntallation of courier-imap |
| 19:06.34 | neuro_damage | courier-imap-ssl |
| 19:06.39 | asg | g00se: bah, I did word processing on a commodore 64 |
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| 19:07.03 | g00se | asg: i didn't have the pleasure ;-) |
| 19:07.05 | stew | Kage_Yittai: make sure you don't have any broken packages before trying to upgrade. (change your sources back to etch, aptitude update ; aptitude -f install). then switch your sources back to testin, and maybe try a upgrade before you dist-upgrade |
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| 19:07.24 | stew | neuro_damage: did you reinstall the courier packages with confmiss? |
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| 19:08.02 | neuro_damage | stew: they wouldn't reinstall |
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| 19:08.06 | stew | neuro_damage: why not? |
| 19:08.11 | neuro_damage | stew: I added every single dependecny and courier-imap package |
| 19:08.17 | Kage_Yittai | stew, ..... ummmmmm.... too late |
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| 19:08.28 | stew | neuro_damage: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:09.43 | rjent | Greetings, can I alias multiple ip's on a single nic with the ip's on the same subnet and then write iptables rules for nat redirect? like externalNic:ip1 redirect to internal address1 and externalNic:ip2 redirect to internal address2 |
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| 19:10.25 | kgod | rjent: I'm not sure what the net effect of multiple IPs on the same subnet on the same NIC are going to be. |
| 19:10.43 | neuro_damage | stew: apt-get -f -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install courier-authdaemon courier-authlib courier-authlib-userdb courier-authpostgresql courier-base courier-base courier-debug courier-doc courier-imap courer-ssl courier-mta courier-imap-ssl |
| 19:10.46 | kgod | rjent: You can certainly do that (the aliasing). What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 19:10.57 | neuro_damage | stew: apt-get -f -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install courier-authdaemon courier-authlib courier-authlib-userdb courier-base courier-base courier-doc courier-imap courier-mta courier-imap-ssl |
| 19:11.56 | rjent | kgod: I currently have multiple boxes that I am moving behind the firewall and want the debian firewall to redirect inside from the aliases on the external nic/ |
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| 19:12.14 | kgod | rjent: What I'm not sure of is whether or not the traffic generated on the internal NIC will be on any but the principle IP. |
| 19:12.19 | kgod | rjent: Linux Virtual Servers. |
| 19:12.28 | stew | rjent: yes, but you have to do your matching on ip address, not on interface name. if you add these extra ips using alias interfaces, iptables won't know anything about the aliases |
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| 19:13.26 | kgod | rjent: You can redirect traffic from a firewall (or more generally: load balancer) to one or more internal hosts, based on hostname, IP, or other characteristics, I think. I haven't played with this. |
| 19:13.26 | rjent | stew: ok, so I reference aliased ip with iptables and all will be ok. |
| 19:13.30 | kgod | rjent: http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ |
| 19:13.52 | kgod | stew: ^^ what say you? |
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| 19:14.23 | jhaluska | I'm attemping to install apache / php5 / mysql. I believe I got apache installed and I see the placeholder page. I have php5 installed but I'm having trouble linking apache with php. It keeps telling me to save the test php page I made instead of displaying it in the browser. I'm following instructions on http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/apachephp5.htm |
| 19:14.44 | rjent | stew and kgod: many thanks, I think I will start out with something like http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm |
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| 19:15.11 | rjent | then add in based on ip as stew has mentioned. |
| 19:15.20 | jhaluska | I do seem to get a failure on the last restart instruction and I made an empty httpd.conf file. |
| 19:15.42 | Jemt | stew: Hello again. I have now installed xorg 7.3, but the resolution is still of (1024x768 on my WideScreen). Anything I'm missing? |
| 19:15.50 | justin | Jemt: what does the X log say |
| 19:15.57 | stew | jhaluska: you are using apache or apache2? |
| 19:15.58 | Jemt | justin: Checking :) |
| 19:16.14 | jhaluska | stew: I don't know, I have an apache2 directory and apache |
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| 19:16.41 | stew | jhaluska: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 && a2enmod php5 |
| 19:16.51 | Jemt | justin, A lot :-S What am I looking for ? |
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| 19:17.28 | jhaluska | stew: I previously did: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5, don' thave the a2enmod php5 tho |
| 19:18.24 | Jemt | justin, This is probably the most interesting part: http://pastebin.ca/1027312 |
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| 19:18.29 | Sebo | Hi!! How can I use libapache2-mod-auth-sys-group?? I'd like to Require visitors to be in some Unix group |
| 19:19.14 | jhaluska | stew: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "a2enmod" |
| 19:19.19 | Jemt | justin, Funny that it ignores the higher resolutions - they are just as off as ie 1024x768 |
| 19:19.28 | Jemt | justin, Any suggestions ? |
| 19:19.32 | stew | jhaluska: its not a package, its a command to enable php5 in apache2 |
| 19:19.45 | neuro_damage | stew: there was no response to that copy-paste of mine? |
| 19:19.47 | stew | Jemt: you are using the maximum resolution for that driver |
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| 19:20.02 | Jemt | stew, "that driver" would be Vesa then ? |
| 19:20.04 | jhaluska | stew: It isays it's already enabled. |
| 19:20.10 | jhaluska | err It says |
| 19:20.22 | stew | neuro_damage: i'd want to see the actual output |
| 19:20.28 | Jemt | stew, I have been running 1600x1200 using Vesa so that sounds odd |
| 19:20.53 | stew | Jemt: oh, i was under the impression it didn't go higher than xga. what card do you have? |
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| 19:21.28 | Jemt | stew: ATI :-/ But I should use VESA I think - I'm moving this installation around, using it on many different computers |
| 19:21.32 | Jemt | (USB stick) |
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| 19:22.12 | stew | Jemt: can you show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 19:22.21 | Jemt | stew, Sure, just a sec :) |
| 19:22.26 | stew | Jemt: and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:22.48 | jhaluska | stew: Any clue what my problem is now? |
| 19:22.49 | Jemt | stew, Okay |
| 19:22.58 | stew | jhaluska: is apache or apache2 running? |
| 19:23.12 | jhaluska | stew: Apparently 2 |
| 19:23.18 | jhaluska | stew: The web page loads |
| 19:23.19 | stew | jhaluska: what makes you say that? |
| 19:23.45 | Jemt | stew, My Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/1027318 |
| 19:23.45 | jhaluska | stew: Cause a2nemod php5 says its already enabled |
| 19:23.54 | Jemt | stew, My xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1027319 |
| 19:24.03 | stew | jhaluska: that just means it is installed, but both it and apache could be installed at the same time |
| 19:24.22 | jhaluska | stew: How do I check which is currently running? |
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| 19:24.41 | stew | Jemt: oh. i thougth you were using 7.3 |
| 19:24.49 | slidesinger | Is there a way to find out which source package was used for a binary? |
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| 19:24.53 | cberlo | Well, that took a while longer than expected. :) |
| 19:25.14 | Jemt | stew, So did I |
| 19:25.19 | Jemt | stew, I have just installed it |
| 19:25.40 | stew | jhaluska: run "netstat -lnp | grep :80" and see what process is listed in the last column |
| 19:25.44 | stew | jhaluska: (as root) |
| 19:26.05 | jhaluska | stew: 3588/apache |
| 19:26.14 | jhaluska | I'm assuming that isn't apache2 |
| 19:26.22 | stew | Jemt: well this xorg.conf doesn't look like one generated by 7.3 and it says "X Window System Version 7.1.1" at the top of the log |
| 19:26.29 | Jemt | stew, I did "apt-get install xorg" using Testing repository. "apt-cache show xorg" gives me "Version: 1:7.3+10" |
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| 19:26.44 | Jemt | stew: That's true. It's my old xorg.conf |
| 19:26.45 | stew | jhaluska: right, that is apache |
| 19:26.55 | jhaluska | stew: i did: apt-get install apache, should I do apt-get install apache2? |
| 19:27.00 | stew | Jemt: you upgraded to testing? |
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| 19:27.03 | Jemt | stew, And actually I installed it while X was running. I thought a reboot would fix configs |
| 19:27.19 | Jemt | stew, no, I just installed the xorg package from testing on a Stable system |
| 19:27.19 | stew | Jemt: what command did you use to upgrade to testing? |
| 19:27.26 | stew | Jemt: don't mix testing and stable |
| 19:27.38 | Jemt | stew, okay :-/ |
| 19:27.59 | neoark | http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg |
| 19:28.21 | stew | Jemt: installing just the "xorg" package from testing onto stable would do nothing (and i mean it woulnd't actually upgrade xorg either), but trying to mix the two is a bad idea |
| 19:29.09 | stew | jhaluska: you already have apache2 installed. i'd recommend editing /etc/default/apache2 and removing apache |
| 19:29.10 | Jemt | stew, I have mixed the two versions before. I used a Testing kernel on a Stable system some years ago - no problems |
| 19:29.22 | rahul | Jemt: kernel is a completely different issue |
| 19:29.22 | Jemt | stew, but you are probably right |
| 19:29.25 | rahul | it doesn't have dependencies |
| 19:29.27 | Jemt | rahul, okay |
| 19:29.30 | Jemt | true |
| 19:29.36 | rahul | well, not enough that it will break the whole system, necessarily |
| 19:30.02 | Jemt | But usually assemblies provide backward compability, right? |
| 19:30.20 | jhaluska | stew: My /etc/default/apache2 only has a single "NO_START=0". Was I suppose to edit a line in it or just uninstall apache? |
| 19:30.39 | stew | jhaluska: uninstall apache, /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 19:30.40 | rahul | Jemt: assemblies? |
| 19:30.50 | Jemt | rahul: programs |
| 19:30.53 | rahul | Jemt: no |
| 19:30.55 | Jemt | rahul, or lib |
| 19:30.56 | Jemt | libs |
| 19:31.00 | rahul | they often don't |
| 19:31.03 | stew | Jemt: some are, some aren't |
| 19:31.05 | Jemt | Oh, okay |
| 19:31.11 | Jemt | Important detail |
| 19:31.15 | rahul | they might claim to, but things don't work that way |
| 19:31.29 | rahul | or they might accidentally claim to, as well |
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| 19:31.42 | Jemt | Not easy getting xorg 7.3 running on Stable it seems |
| 19:31.53 | rahul | Jemt: probably is easy |
| 19:31.53 | jhaluska | stew: I've never removed a program, is that an apt-get parameter? |
| 19:32.04 | rahul | just recompile it from source on a stable system |
| 19:32.08 | rahul | !bpo |
| 19:32.09 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 19:32.11 | rahul | also, ^^ |
| 19:32.30 | Jemt | rahul: Already checked that - no xorg 7.3 there :p |
| 19:32.37 | rahul | jhaluska: it's sometimes easier and nicer to use aptitude for that |
| 19:32.50 | jhaluska | rahul: Ok, did aptitude replace apt-get? |
| 19:32.53 | rahul | jhaluska: but yes, man apt-get will tell you about how to remove packages, as will man dpkg |
| 19:32.57 | rahul | jhaluska: mostly |
| 19:33.00 | Jemt | Okay, I'll try compiling xorg myself. Do I need build-essentials to do it ? |
| 19:33.08 | rahul | jhaluska: it's a replacement for most of both apt and dselect |
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| 19:33.23 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:33.32 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 19:33.37 | stew | Jemt: i have no idea how hard it would be |
| 19:33.46 | jhaluska | This is fun...sorta :) |
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| 19:34.21 | rahul | Jemt: note, you only need the deb-src line to get sources. if you have the deb line as well, you will upgrade to the newest versions of the dependencies, which defeats the purpose |
| 19:34.21 | Jemt | stew, it's worth a try :) |
| 19:34.35 | cberlo | On to my next task: how hard is it (and/or LEGAL) to play DVDs in Debian? |
| 19:34.38 | Jemt | rahul, Yes, thanks |
| 19:34.39 | rahul | also, you might already be at those versions |
| 19:34.49 | rahul | since you already partially upgraded to testing |
| 19:35.07 | Jemt | rahul: I'll go back to Stable and add the src line |
| 19:35.16 | jhaluska | stew: I think PHP is now working. Thanks for your patience and help. :) |
| 19:35.19 | rahul | Jemt: how will you go back to stable? |
| 19:35.26 | rahul | Jemt: you've already upgraded the packages to testing |
| 19:35.33 | stew | rahul: he just isntalled xorg from testing, but since he already had it installed in stable and the Depends: on xorg aren't versioned, nothing actually happened |
| 19:35.38 | Jemt | rahul: Well, probably easier to reinstall - takes 10 minutes (I backed up my installation using 'dd') :) |
| 19:35.53 | rahul | stew: ah, good |
| 19:35.54 | webPragmatist | why not sqlite ? |
| 19:35.58 | webPragmatist | er |
| 19:36.08 | webPragmatist | scrooollsss down |
| 19:36.29 | Jemt | stew & rahul : Thanks again. I will be back in half an hour when the compilation is started :) |
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| 19:37.36 | stew | i predict, when he returns he says, "i tried running apt-get build-dep xorg, but it says "build dependencies for xorg can't be satisfied because ____" |
| 19:39.25 | rahul | stew: yeah, probably |
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| 19:39.45 | neuro_damage | stew: http://pastebin.com/d17cb844 |
| 19:39.56 | neuro_damage | stew: I don't know if i sent that to you already. |
| 19:40.17 | Pulpie | hey guys Im still working on ati fglrx driver problems |
| 19:40.28 | neuro_damage | Pulpie: what's the issue? |
| 19:40.45 | Pulpie | neuro_damage: I cant get my x1650 debian machine to use fglrx |
| 19:41.00 | Pulpie | neuro_damage: let me pastebin the last xorg log |
| 19:41.51 | stew | blah, i wonder if courier doesn't declare those as conffiles |
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| 19:42.46 | stew | oh, i see |
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| 19:43.16 | stew | neuro_damage: the best thing for you to do right now might be to short circuit the inti.d scripts that are failing until you can get the conffiles back in place |
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| 19:43.21 | webPragmatist | how do you get version information about a package using aptitude? |
| 19:44.07 | g00se | webPragmatist: why not use apt-cache show? |
| 19:44.10 | webPragmatist | nevermind |
| 19:44.12 | stew | webPragmatist: aptitude show packagename? |
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| 19:46.08 | webPragmatist | when will debian get php 5.2.6 ? |
| 19:46.48 | Pulpie | http://pastebin.ca/1027340 neuro_damage |
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| 19:47.25 | stew | webPragmatist: about 2 weeks ago: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5/news/20080511T221148Z.html |
| 19:47.47 | webPragmatist | hrm wtf |
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| 19:48.11 | webPragmatist | oh |
| 19:48.12 | webPragmatist | unstable |
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| 19:52.34 | Sebo | Anyone can help me with per unix group autentyfication with libapache2-mod-sys-group?? I can't find any manual how to use it ;] |
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| 19:56.34 | stew | Sebo: did you check /usr/share/doc/$packagename ? |
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| 19:57.31 | stew | oh, and its going to be about some other package name, since the one I first mentioned had easy build-deps |
| 19:57.44 | kshah | can i update to a newer version of BIND9 beyond that which comes with Deb4 Etch (netinst) ? |
| 19:57.58 | rahul | kshah: why would you? |
| 19:58.25 | kshah | i can't query within my zone |
| 19:58.36 | rahul | so fix your configuration |
| 19:58.54 | rahul | upgrading to a new version will not change your incorrect config |
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| 19:59.28 | Sebo | And I'd like to |
| 19:59.42 | Sebo | sory for that ^^ :| |
| 20:00.06 | Pulpie | neuro_damage: any clue? |
| 20:00.15 | Sebo | stew: No I did'nt check because there is no such dir ;] |
| 20:00.26 | stew | Sebo: oh, this isn't a debian package? |
| 20:01.15 | Sebo | But there is also no info @apache site about it ;] |
| 20:01.38 | Sebo | the only thing I found is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=422651 |
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| 20:01.54 | drwahl | is vimtutor not in debian? |
| 20:01.57 | Sebo | but it still doesn't works ;] |
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| 20:02.04 | webPragmatist | is it easy to go from a etch package and upgrade to a sid package? |
| 20:02.15 | rahul | webPragmatist: if you have to ask... |
| 20:02.29 | rahul | webPragmatist: it's as easy as dealing with broken packages, basically |
| 20:02.33 | stew | webPragmatist: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 20:02.44 | HardDisk_WP | how do I detect if a file is saved as UTF8 or ISO8859-15? |
| 20:02.53 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: the BOM |
| 20:02.59 | stew | Sebo: if you installed libapache2-mod-sys-group from debian, /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-sys-group would exist |
| 20:03.01 | keith4 | HardDisk_WP: run 'file' on it? |
| 20:03.24 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, no, it are all PHP scripts, and file only detects PHP script file, but not the charset |
| 20:03.28 | rahul | if there is a BOM, it's probably UTF8 |
| 20:03.35 | HardDisk_WP | and what is a BOM? |
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| 20:03.39 | rahul | byte order mark |
| 20:03.56 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: it's very difficult to guess |
| 20:04.05 | rahul | well, at least, error prone or difficult |
| 20:04.56 | Sebo | stew: I did it by # apt-get install libapache2-mod-auth-sys-group |
| 20:05.07 | Sebo | and there is no such dir ;] |
| 20:05.16 | keith4 | if I login as a user without a home dir, I get dumped in /. How do I tell it to dump me somewhere else? |
| 20:05.20 | stew | Sebo: then you removed it |
| 20:05.26 | keith4 | ("it" being ssh) |
| 20:05.30 | stew | Sebo: reinstall the package |
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| 20:05.52 | stew | Sebo: every pacakge from debian MUST have a /usr/sahre/doc/$packagename/copyright |
| 20:06.06 | nyk2005 | Where are the failure messages of cron stored when you have no mail set up on a server? |
| 20:06.10 | stew | ^sahre^share |
| 20:06.23 | stew | nyk2005: afaikthey aren't |
| 20:06.28 | stew | nyk2005: afaik they aren't |
| 20:06.31 | keith4 | the bit bucket |
| 20:06.33 | nyk2005 | ups to bad |
| 20:06.46 | nyk2005 | how is the easiest to log them? |
| 20:07.04 | nyk2005 | just setting up postfix for that is a bit too much.. :) |
| 20:07.11 | keith4 | nullmailer would do |
| 20:07.19 | keith4 | no need to configure postfix |
| 20:07.31 | Jemt | Is xorg a huge package to compile? Will it take several hours on a 1.6 Ghz Pentium Mobile with 512 MB RAM ? |
| 20:07.54 | nyk2005 | keith4: just install the postfix package and then I'll get them as local mail? |
| 20:08.01 | Jemt | Ah, It just finished, heh :) |
| 20:08.11 | keith4 | nyk2005: uh, no? |
| 20:08.11 | stew | Jemt: xorg isn't huge to compile. its a huge number of small packages to compile |
| 20:08.41 | Jemt | stew, yep :) |
| 20:08.49 | keith4 | nyk2005: you should get them as local mail, by default, since you probably have exim installed already, no? |
| 20:09.07 | Jemt | Wow, it was just so easy to compile xorg myself. Debian is great in so many ways :) |
| 20:09.11 | keith4 | if you want them to actually go to a "mail server", and you don't want to configure exim or postfix, you could use "nullmailer" |
| 20:09.19 | nyk2005 | keith4: I removed exim because I don't know it... I always used postix |
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| 20:09.45 | Sebo | stew: I found it - thx :) |
| 20:09.47 | stew | Jemt: now you have to compile xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-input-keyboard xserver-xorg-input-mouse etc |
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| 20:10.02 | martman | anyone happen to know of a gforge alternative in apt? |
| 20:10.09 | martman | somethng more google code style maybe? |
| 20:10.25 | grendal_prime | this is going to sound like a stupid idea...but dont want the ssh client to check the key to see if it has changed. i wnat it to just automaticall add it. |
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| 20:10.31 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 20:10.35 | nyk2005 | keith4: just found out the HDD is full... :) this explains the failed cron jobs... |
| 20:10.44 | nyk2005 | keith4: but not why it's full.. :) |
| 20:10.50 | Jemt | stew, oh - how do I know exactly what packages to build if I want xorg compiled? I thought it would do all the dependency calculation for me |
| 20:10.50 | solemnwarning | Would a P2-266 be a good router between 3 10/100 cards? |
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| 20:11.44 | Jemt | stew, guess I need to compile all packages listed in 'apt-cache showpkg xorg' ? |
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| 20:12.27 | stew | Jemt: no, you don't have to backport all the dependencies |
| 20:12.34 | Fare | I've had minor disk corruption causing files on a MMC installation to be corrupted. Is there the equivalent of rpm --verify to detect which packages are concerned and reinstall only them? |
| 20:12.43 | Jemt | stew, okay |
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| 20:13.21 | Jemt | stew: I got several errors when I tryed to install the compiled packages: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libglu1-xorg-dev: |
| 20:13.21 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.21 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.21 | Jemt | dpkg: error processing libglu1-xorg-dev (--install): |
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| 20:13.22 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 20:13.33 | Jemt | Sorry, thought it was a one-liner |
| 20:14.01 | rahul | Fare: debsums |
| 20:14.14 | rahul | hmm, or does that only work for conf files? |
| 20:14.19 | stew | Jemt: grep-dctrl -F Maintainer 'Debian X Strike Force' -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources |
| 20:15.20 | stew | rahul: its for either, i belive it ignores config files by default |
| 20:15.31 | rahul | stew: ok |
| 20:15.43 | stew | its got a switch for config files at least |
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| 20:15.59 | Jemt | stew. I don't have grep-dctrl installed, and I can't use apt-get at the moment because I'm still lacking dependencies :-/ |
| 20:16.14 | stew | Jemt: which dependencies? |
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| 20:16.46 | stew | Jemt: oh, you are probably now figuring out why we were telling you that trying to mix stable and testing is a bad idea |
| 20:16.49 | Jemt | libdmx-dev, libsm-dev, x11proto-scrnsaver-dev, x11proto-xf86bigfont-dev - to mention a few of a hundred or so |
| 20:17.07 | kshah | Hi, I'm able to lookup information about domains not hosted by my server, through my server, but not able to get back information on my servers IP, TCP on one side shows it going out, but I never receive it locally |
| 20:17.07 | Jemt | stew, this is a pure, Stable installation - no Testing |
| 20:17.16 | kshah | I've been told this is similar to a bug that has occured previously in BIND |
| 20:17.23 | yukonho | Hi - I'm trying to set up either my .bashrc or .bash_profile file to run two scripts from the Intel Fortran compiler. The scripts are set up to make some configurations to my path and manpath. However, when I run them on their own, they don't appear to make any changes. Any ideas? |
| 20:17.31 | kshah | I'm running 9.3.4, should I try to fix this or should I update BIND? |
| 20:17.37 | stew | Jemt: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:17.53 | Jemt | stew, okay, just a minute :) |
| 20:18.19 | stew | kshah: how are you querying the nameserver? |
| 20:18.21 | sd_ | yukonho: the fortran executables should exec shell |
| 20:18.31 | kshah | stew: dig |
| 20:18.36 | sd_ | yukonho: otherwise everything the script does is lost, since it wont affect parent (shell which you end up using) process |
| 20:18.46 | stew | kshah: what exact command? |
| 20:19.04 | kshah | stew: dig @IP mydomain.com |
| 20:19.46 | grendal_prime | nevermind i figured that out |
| 20:19.56 | sd_ | yukonho: also, make sure the scripts does nothing if they see the variables are already set, to prevent loops :) this is the more obscure part of unix |
| 20:19.57 | stew | kshah: can you show us your named.conf? |
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| 20:20.30 | grendal_prime | if i want to ssh into another box and execute a command it would look like "ssh user@server rm thisfile.txt" |
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| 20:20.53 | kshah | stew: one minute, pastie incoming |
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| 20:22.05 | Jemt | stew, here is what I did in order to compile and install xorg 7.3: http://pastebin.ca/1027371 |
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| 20:23.29 | stew | Jemt: you should run "aptitude -f install" but i'd encourage you to try to backport everything before you start intalling the stuff you are backporting |
| 20:24.01 | kshah | stew: messaged you with ut |
| 20:24.04 | Jemt | stew, yes, of course. I just though I had everything I need, so I just performed the installation |
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| 20:24.19 | Jemt | stew, but again, how do you know what packages to backport ? |
| 20:24.33 | yukonho | sd_: The scripts are .sh files that start with #! /bin/bash, then go through and add the compiler-specific paths onto my user path (it installs itself and its various man/doc files in /opt/intel/...). Does that mean they exec shell? I just tried adding /opt/intel/fc/10.1.015/bin/ifortvars.sh to the end of my .bashrc file, but it didn't seem to work after I logged out and back in |
| 20:24.42 | stew | kshah: can i see your named.conf? |
| 20:24.53 | Jemt | stew, I'm very interested in knowing how to figure out that I have to compile X, Y and Z along with Q - if you get what I mean :) |
| 20:24.57 | sd_ | yukonho: ah, i see |
| 20:24.59 | stew | Jemt: grep-dctrl -F Maintainer 'Debian X Strike Force' -s Package /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources |
| 20:25.06 | sd_ | yukonho: just add ". /opt/intel/fc/10.1.015/bin/ifortvars.sh" |
| 20:25.08 | sd_ | to the script |
| 20:25.10 | Jemt | stew, Oh, that's what it was for :) |
| 20:25.11 | sd_ | notice the dot in front :) |
| 20:25.25 | Jemt | stew, Thanks. I will be right back. I'll restore my installation before proceeding |
| 20:25.29 | yukonho | sd_: ok, I'll give that a shot, just a sec |
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| 20:25.40 | stew | Jemt: that will list the packages maintained by XSF which is basically all of xorg (it does include compiz it looks like, as well, which you can skip) |
| 20:25.47 | Kage_Yittai | someone hold me, distro upgrading is always so scary |
| 20:25.56 | stew | !comfort Kage_Yittai |
| 20:25.56 | dpkg | There, there, Kage_Yittai. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 20:26.01 | Jemt | stew, that I won't need :) |
| 20:26.02 | Jemt | Thanks |
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| 20:26.28 | kshah | stew: reload page, both named.conf and .local there |
| 20:26.31 | Kage_Yittai | lol |
| 20:26.49 | yukonho | sd_: *slaps forehead* yeah, it was just that missing period there. Thanks so much! Should this still work when I ssh into the box? |
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| 20:27.11 | sd_ | yukonho: as long the profile/rc script gets execed |
| 20:27.30 | sd_ | it messed sometimes what gets execed on terminal login and what on ssh |
| 20:28.55 | yukonho | sd_: I think it behaves about the same, so I should be all set. Thanks again! |
| 20:29.25 | bpun | anyone here use libruin? |
| 20:29.42 | Kage_Yittai | Is it possible, to have aptitude uninstall it self? |
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| 20:30.34 | jelly | Kage_Yittai: sure |
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| 20:30.56 | Kage_Yittai | aptitude remove aptitude or something? |
| 20:31.07 | stew | kshah: do any errors show up in /var/log/deamon.log when you restart bind? |
| 20:31.13 | Kage_Yittai | what about dpkg? |
| 20:31.21 | jelly | Kage_Yittai: why do you ask? |
| 20:31.24 | Kage_Yittai | if so, how would you reinstall it? |
| 20:31.24 | kshah | stew: no |
| 20:31.29 | Kage_Yittai | jelly, I am bored |
| 20:31.36 | Kage_Yittai | lol |
| 20:31.49 | jelly | !penixstrike Kage_Yittai |
| 20:31.49 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Kage_Yittai to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:32.05 | adama | Kage_Yittai: do chmod -R 600 / , then try to fix it |
| 20:32.07 | adama | that would be fun |
| 20:32.14 | jelly | adama: don't |
| 20:32.25 | Kage_Yittai | lol |
| 20:33.57 | Pulpie | man debian is great and all but I feel like its missing something |
| 20:34.20 | Kage_Yittai | Pulpie, they are working on the beer and pizza installer |
| 20:34.28 | Kage_Yittai | still |
| 20:34.35 | streuner | Pulpie: feel free to send patches and work on Debian |
| 20:34.37 | Pulpie | Kage_Yittai: I already have the pizza cli delievery |
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| 20:34.49 | susanne-- | ok so i'm trying to install lenny on an hp desktop, pavilion thing. usb is br0ked -- the usb mouse won't even light up. dmesg at http://www.pastebin.ca/1027066 ... where do i go from here? google isn't providing any kind of useful info. |
| 20:34.52 | Pulpie | Kage_Yittai: Im not joking |
| 20:35.05 | Kage_Yittai | Pulpie, would not be hard |
| 20:35.06 | maligor | Pulpie, it's missing the (C)Copyright 2008 Microsoft Corporation |
| 20:35.27 | Pulpie | maligor: lol no that I can live without but its gamer side is a little... well not there |
| 20:35.40 | neuro_damage | stew: how do I "short-circuit" my init scripts? |
| 20:35.44 | Kage_Yittai | Pulpie, create a curl cli program and pizza hut online delivery or something |
| 20:35.59 | Kage_Yittai | Pulpie, hell, you could do that with a bash script |
| 20:36.16 | Pulpie | Kage_Yittai: I know, but its done in perl |
| 20:36.28 | Kage_Yittai | lol |
| 20:36.35 | Kage_Yittai | hisses like a python |
| 20:36.49 | Pulpie | debian seems like a system hog a little |
| 20:37.00 | Kage_Yittai | :o |
| 20:37.05 | Kage_Yittai | how so? |
| 20:37.08 | Pulpie | like linux in general seems like it doesn't use the cpu as well as windows |
| 20:37.10 | jelly | Pulpie: I solved that by buying more RAM |
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| 20:37.27 | Pulpie | I go to change a song on banshee and my cpu jumps to 100 |
| 20:37.35 | Pulpie | jelly: I have enough ram |
| 20:37.48 | Lethalman | Pulpie, mmm |
| 20:37.49 | Pulpie | i have a bunch of free memory |
| 20:37.55 | Lethalman | a huge playlist? |
| 20:37.56 | Kage_Yittai | Pulpie, banshee issue |
| 20:37.59 | jelly | Pulpie: sounds more like your audio playing app of choice is badly written |
| 20:38.04 | Pulpie | Lethalman: some what |
| 20:38.06 | troubled | Pulpie: get your ati workin yet? |
| 20:38.17 | Kage_Yittai | Pulpie, try amarok |
| 20:38.19 | Pulpie | troubled: nope I said screw it and put that computer to windows.. |
| 20:38.22 | Lethalman | Pulpie, it's not so Anormal |
| 20:38.29 | troubled | O_o |
| 20:38.31 | Pulpie | amaork is lame |
| 20:38.42 | Lethalman | it's normal that the app uses as much CPU as it can |
| 20:38.45 | Kage_Yittai | !attack Pulpie |
| 20:38.51 | jelly | Pulpie: rather, don't try amarok. It can steal your X keyboard focus and not let it go |
| 20:38.53 | Pulpie | troubled: I wanna play games on it and so windows is purely for games |
| 20:38.54 | troubled | Pulpie: ya, my 9800 had problems in debian too. I just went ubuntu. worked perfectly |
| 20:38.55 | Lethalman | like everything else uses as much memory as it can |
| 20:38.58 | Kage_Yittai | meh |
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| 20:39.11 | Pulpie | jelly: amarok is like winamp but worse. |
| 20:39.27 | troubled | Pulpie: ahh. well, there isnt a whole lotta games on linux realy anyways |
| 20:39.30 | Pulpie | Lethalman: true but the effects show |
| 20:39.34 | Pulpie | troubled: thats what I was thinking |
| 20:39.44 | Pulpie | troubled: There are a lot of general good games |
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| 20:40.12 | troubled | Pulpie: or just do what I do, and dual boot windows/linux |
| 20:40.36 | jelly | Pulpie: yeah. I still use it, but sometimes I have to copy-paste single letters that spell "pkill amarokapp\n" to terminal and it sucks |
| 20:40.45 | Pulpie | troubled: I have two computers so theres no point in dual boot |
| 20:40.49 | troubled | Pulpie: I was most interested in gl because I use blender more than games, but frame buffer X is usually "good enough" |
| 20:41.16 | Pulpie | troubled: blender whats that? |
| 20:41.27 | troubled | Pulpie: what I was going to suggest to you yesterday though was to get a config from ubuntu with the ati if you like debian and try similar settings |
| 20:41.41 | troubled | Pulpie: 3d program, sorta like 3d studios or maya etc. |
| 20:42.00 | troubled | Pulpie: http://picpaste.com/hairy-suzy.png example of what it does |
| 20:42.11 | Pulpie | troubled: I get the exact same problem on ubuntu, arch linux, freebsd and 1000 other distros |
| 20:42.38 | Pulpie | troubled: thats awesome... cute monkey :P |
| 20:42.40 | troubled | Pulpie: on ubuntu though, did you try the nvidia non free drivers? Its what I had to use for th my 9800 |
| 20:42.40 | torrrrrrrr | how do I install from command line? would a simple dpkg -i pakagename be enough? |
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| 20:42.44 | troubled | Pulpie: thanks :) |
| 20:42.54 | troubled | new hair particle system. had to test it out heh |
| 20:42.59 | Pulpie | torrrrrrrr: i think so |
| 20:43.10 | Pulpie | troubled: make me a fish :P |
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| 20:43.18 | troubled | long as its wish hair :p |
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| 20:43.21 | troubled | with* |
| 20:43.25 | ethemc | can anybody help me and give me an example how to send mail from console with nail. Thanks |
| 20:43.26 | Jacob_H | torrrrrrrr: as long as you have the .deb |
| 20:43.38 | Pulpie | troubled: I want to make a 3d cephalaspis..... but yeah thats some other project |
| 20:43.47 | troubled | Pulpie: a what? |
| 20:43.56 | ethemc | i can send the mail but i see the sender as root ?? |
| 20:43.56 | Pulpie | troubled: let me pull you the wiki |
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| 20:44.12 | Pulpie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalaspis troubled |
| 20:44.43 | Pulpie | troubled: other then that in my free time I run pulpie.ath.cx |
| 20:44.49 | troubled | Pulpie: interesting. definetly doable though |
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| 20:45.39 | troubled | cool |
| 20:47.39 | Pulpie | troubled: yeah I suppose. its alright, it keeps me busy |
| 20:48.05 | troubled | Pulpie: thats what counts :) speaking of which, probably should get back to my readings. take care |
| 20:48.27 | Pulpie | troubled: you too, have fun. |
| 20:49.23 | Pulpie | I heard you cant get corrupted files in linux is that true? |
| 20:49.55 | Jacob_H | Pulpie: Iâm pretty certain thatâs not |
| 20:50.54 | Pulpie | my private freebsd server has been comping for a few days straight |
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| 20:52.04 | Pulpie | whos going to work on friday? |
| 20:52.29 | Pulpie | erm s/friday/monday |
| 20:53.00 | MrBill | I am attempting to update some packages on a system running KnoppMyth (based on Debian) and am running into some dependency issues. I think I need to add a debian repository to my sources.list and then apply the update/packages. I don't know where/how to find a debian repository that will have the required packages though, can anyone assist me with that? |
| 20:53.07 | oshiii-_^ | pwnies, were you able to apt-get install bdsm? |
| 20:53.15 | MrBill | http://www.pastebin.ca/1027361 is the list of packages that are missing/outdated with my system. |
| 20:53.36 | Jacob_H | MrBill: packages.debian.org provides lists of whatâs available |
| 20:53.41 | Eulex | MrBill, ask the KnoppMyth guys, this is offtopic in #debian |
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| 20:54.18 | kombucha | so when i try pinning and i add stable and testing to my sources.list, but say i am using 'stable' in my release file, and have stable testing unstable in my preferences, and i installed 'puppet' out of testing, but now when i upgrade my box it tries to install a whole bunch of packages, which i assume are from testing. what did i do wrong ? |
| 20:54.53 | rahul | in your release file? |
| 20:54.59 | rahul | man 5 apt_preferences |
| 20:55.03 | rahul | you're doing it wrong |
| 20:55.05 | Pulpie | Guys don't help bill its mr gates! :P |
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| 20:55.18 | MrBill | Eulex the KnoppMyth people indicated to me that I can add a debian repository to my list and that should allow me to apply the updates I need, but I don't know where/how to find the name of a debian repository, i'm pretty new in linux. |
| 20:56.31 | rahul | MrBill: and we wouldn't be able to support what you did |
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| 20:56.41 | rahul | because we have no idea what you'll end up with |
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| 20:57.04 | rahul | kombucha: just in case you're a little discouraged by the man page: http://www.xach.com/img/doing-it-wrong-at-a4.jpg |
| 20:57.09 | Pulpie | most communities I find to feel like a jail |
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| 20:57.23 | kombucha | rahul: i bet that jpg will not help me! |
| 20:57.32 | rahul | heh |
| 20:57.41 | MrBill | rahul - I'm not looking for anyone here to fix my Knoppmyth box, i'm simply looking for a debian repository that I can add to my sources.list |
| 20:58.00 | Pulpie | and communities are always going to be a jail I just find the linux community a REALLY big earth sized jail... ya know? |
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| 20:58.26 | rahul | MrBill: look at the debian mirrors list... |
| 20:58.30 | sd_ | Pulpie: jail? |
| 20:58.38 | rahul | Pulpie: we chroot in linux |
| 20:58.57 | sd_ | will you pick up my soap ... |
| 20:59.22 | sd_ | (well, that'd be more appropiate on #freebsd) |
| 20:59.26 | rahul | !penixstrike sd_ |
| 20:59.26 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sd_ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:59.36 | Agiofws | ixus:/etc/ppp# modprobe ppp_mp |
| 20:59.36 | Agiofws | FATAL: Module ppp_mp not found. |
| 20:59.40 | Agiofws | anyone remeber ? |
| 20:59.43 | Pulpie | rahul: lol nice |
| 20:59.59 | Pulpie | sd_: lol i understand Im in #freebsd |
| 21:00.04 | susanne-- | ok so i'm trying to install lenny on an hp desktop, pavilion thing. usb is br0ked -- the usb mouse won't even light up. dmesg at http://www.pastebin.ca/1027066 ... where do i go from here? google isn't providing any kind of useful info. |
| 21:00.41 | rahul | susanne--: first, enable emulation of the usb devices via the BIOS |
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| 21:01.11 | Eulex | MrBill, there's a list of mirrors on debian.org. |
| 21:01.12 | rahul | susanne--: then, upgrade the kernel once you get linux installed and you'll probably have the drivers needed to recognize your too-new usb controller |
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| 21:01.28 | rahul | ohhh |
| 21:01.35 | rahul | susanne--: no, your usb controller is broken |
| 21:01.37 | Pulpie | Hmm I heard that in windows, the apps in order for them to talk to the hardware has to go through the OS where in linux the apps can talk directly to the hardware, this is true yes? |
| 21:01.58 | rahul | susanne--: er, I mean your whole interrupt routing |
| 21:02.01 | kombucha | what does that even mean |
| 21:02.04 | susanne-- | rahul: entire subsystem, not the specific device. define "broken"? or, she said stupidly, "works under windows." |
| 21:02.13 | Pulpie | kombucha: what i said? |
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| 21:02.37 | rahul | susanne--: like... everything to do with devices is messed up |
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| 21:03.20 | susanne-- | so the solution might be ... what? |
| 21:03.25 | rahul | susanne--: hmm did you disable your usb controller in your BIOS? |
| 21:03.26 | abrotman | usb addon card? |
| 21:03.31 | Agiofws | s `bsd_comp' essential to start a pptp vpn connaction ? |
| 21:04.01 | susanne-- | no, it's not disabled. abrotman, no, not an addon card. motherboard built on. |
| 21:04.10 | rahul | susanne--: WOW, you have a really quirky motherboard |
| 21:04.26 | rahul | susanne--: it's enabling a half-dozen bug workarounds |
| 21:04.40 | susanne-- | it's an inherited hp pavilion, a newish one. |
| 21:04.40 | rahul | linux probably doesn't even know about the other half-dozen bugs the board has |
| 21:04.50 | susanne-- | (inherited meaning i stole it from my previous employer.) |
| 21:05.09 | rahul | susanne--: beg them to take it back, heh |
| 21:05.21 | antgel | what maps /proc/bus/input/devices to /dev/input/event*? is it udev? because mine keeps changing on boot which messes up my lirc config |
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| 21:06.59 | rahul | susanne--: uh, you're not installing linux on that laptopt |
| 21:07.10 | susanne-- | rahul: it's a desktop. why not? |
| 21:07.11 | rahul | susanne--: you're installing it in a virtual machine |
| 21:07.14 | Pulpie | ugh I cant mount my cd |
| 21:07.24 | Pulpie | OH thats right |
| 21:07.26 | rahul | oh, from all those errors, it looks like a laptop :P |
| 21:07.36 | Pulpie | brb - plugging in the IDE cable |
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| 21:07.48 | susanne-- | rahul: huh what? virtual machine? how is that possible? |
| 21:08.08 | Agiofws | can someone help me with pptp ? |
| 21:08.15 | rahul | or... are you incorrectly using a VM kernel for a normal install? |
| 21:08.36 | rahul | does it automatically cope? |
| 21:08.50 | susanne-- | rahul: 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 21:08.55 | rahul | the kenrel is talking about it being a paravirtialized kernel |
| 21:09.26 | Agiofws | is that bad ? |
| 21:09.53 | susanne-- | stock lenny kernel |
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| 21:10.33 | rahul | # |
| 21:10.34 | rahul | trackpoint.c: failed to get extended button data |
| 21:10.45 | rahul | wonders where the # # came from |
| 21:11.11 | rahul | susanne--: your computer is a riddle to me |
| 21:11.41 | susanne-- | hrm. maybe i'll just put windows 2003 server on it instead. (ugh) |
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| 21:13.10 | rahul | heh |
| 21:14.34 | mns | I had a machine that was running Win2k and the file system was NTFS. Since the machine no longer boots up (and assuming the hard drive is not the problem), what would be the best way to look at the drive under Debian ? Essentially if the drive is good, I'd like to copy over everything from it to my Debian system, and then reformat the NTFS drive. |
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| 21:15.11 | susanne-- | yank it out, get a usb dongle thingie, and mount it on your debian box. |
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| 21:15.55 | South3rn | re |
| 21:16.06 | susanne-- | alternative: get a livecd of <insert distribution here>, mount it, and copy it via your lan. |
| 21:16.12 | g00se | mns: use a Knoppix disk and debianise it later |
| 21:18.04 | mns | susanne--: I thought of that option but since the machine makes a loud beeping noise when I power it on, and doesn't boot up, I don't think it is an option at the moment. Should I be using ntfs-ng (or whatever it is called) or whatever came with the kernel ? |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | susanne--: i was suggesting the addon as a solution :) |
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| 21:18.47 | Jacob_H | mns: that sounds more like a hardware problem. Is it POSTing? |
| 21:18.51 | South3rn | how can I see the version of the installed packages with dpkg ? Thanks on forehand |
| 21:19.14 | susanne-- | mns: the driver in the kernel should be sufficient for read-only access at least. so take the drive out, put it in a usb case, and hang it on the back of your existing machine. or plug it into the bus if you have space. whatever. your fastest solution is to physically move the drive. |
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| 21:19.35 | Jacob_H | SoUkSoU: dpkg -l | grep packagename |
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| 21:19.50 | SoUkSoU | ? |
| 21:19.56 | Jacob_H | opps...sorry... |
| 21:20.01 | SoUkSoU | :) |
| 21:20.05 | Jacob_H | South3rn: dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | !version |
| 21:20.05 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 21:20.11 | abrotman | StalkR: turn that off |
| 21:20.28 | mns | Jacob_H: no it is not even POSTing. |
| 21:20.56 | Jacob_H | mns: then you probably want to take the drive out and plug it in elsewhere |
| 21:21.14 | Jacob_H | mns: or look for your motherboardâs manual so you can see what the beeping means |
| 21:21.35 | susanne-- | the fastest solution is physical relocation of the drive. if you don't care about the old box and do care about the data, this is your best option. |
| 21:22.33 | g00se | There's nothing to lose by trying a ram cd with the hd in situ |
| 21:22.54 | susanne-- | g00se: except that the machine won't post ... |
| 21:23.20 | g00se | well it's beeping ... |
| 21:23.32 | susanne-- | that's generally a failed post ... |
| 21:23.50 | g00se | yep but not always |
| 21:24.01 | Jacob_H | g00se: what else could it be? |
| 21:24.29 | Pulpie | I know in gnome you can go to edit menus and uncheck stuff but I want to delete those folders and not have the option to check or uncheck |
| 21:24.45 | Pulpie | erm for the menu bar that is |
| 21:25.34 | g00se | You might have better luck booting from CD - if not - nothing lost |
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| 21:28.13 | torrrrrrrr | can I get the public key from my private DSA? |
| 21:28.15 | Jacob_H | Pulpie: to remove a programme from the menu, I believe you need echo -n > ~/.menu/package |
| 21:28.19 | Mr_Bunny_ | Hello. I just had a mobo die, and I've moved the hard drive to another mobo. How can I get the networking cards to autoconfigure? Are there any drivers I would need to add? |
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| 21:37.14 | jcooksey | I've got a Super Talent 16GB SSD in my new system. Debian picks it up as SCSI, which is fine, but the read/write time on the drive is ~18 KB/s. So the base install worked, and it takes 30 minutes to boot the system. Anyone else ever run into this, or have some general suggestions? |
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| 21:38.25 | mns | g00se Jacob_H susanne-- thanks for the suggestions. It will be quicker to get the drive out and plugged into my other system, I don't have time to download a livecd and burn it. Although I think I'm going to make sure I keep one around just in case :) |
| 21:38.46 | mns | enjoy the weekend and see you all on the flip side |
| 21:39.57 | adama | rock out |
| 21:40.16 | adama | jcooksey: that sucks. Not what you expected eh |
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| 21:41.15 | jcooksey | adama: nah, I was expecting 6 MB/s rather than 18 KB/s :( |
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| 21:43.01 | adama | jcooksey: yeah sorry I can't help you though... can you get a good rate if you plug it into another OS eg windoze? |
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| 21:44.04 | lobak | hello |
| 21:44.23 | Agiofws | can someone please tell me where i find that file The chap success packet has an incorrect incorrect response to the challenge because it uses an uninitialized NT hash instead of the hash derived from the shared secret. By changing line 520 of chap.c from CHAP.C in debian |
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| 21:46.14 | jcooksey | adama: I'm going to try that monday, because our IT guy is out, and all of the windows CDs are in his office |
| 21:46.36 | jcooksey | adama: make that Tuesday :) |
| 21:47.09 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.41 | Agiofws | IS THERE A CHAP.C file in debian or in kernel ? |
| 21:47.48 | lobak | i was issuing the command ps aux | grep '/usr/sbin/pppd call 3g' ...it turns out that the process of me grep'ing is shown also beside the needed result..is there any option to make the 'grep process result not included in grep result? |
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| 21:48.45 | Jacob_H | lobak: add | grep -v grep |
| 21:48.50 | g00se | lobak: | grep -v 'grep' |
| 21:49.01 | Agiofws | ahha a |
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| 21:50.12 | lobak | aha |
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| 21:50.44 | lobak | thanks..really appreciate that |
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| 21:51.04 | docta_v | is there a tool to check for weak ssl certificates |
| 21:51.08 | docta_v | that is, not ssh keys but ssl certs for apache |
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| 21:51.52 | stew | docta_v: the wiki page has a way |
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| 21:52.22 | stew | docta_v: (/msg dpkg dsa1571) |
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| 21:55.49 | Kage_Yittai | when doing a dist-upgrade, I get this after files are done downloading: |
| 21:55.50 | Kage_Yittai | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debian-archive-keyring |
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| 21:57.51 | rahsputin | Hello. Can i display the whole Alphabet with echo without having to punch in the whole Alphabet for example: $ echo -? A-Z --> abcdefg...... |
| 21:59.32 | mbroeker | rahsputin, for i in {a..z}; do echo -n $i; done |
| 21:59.50 | legis | The smbclient pkg doesn't install smbmount, is there something that replaced it? |
| 22:00.11 | rahsputin | Thank you mbroeker ;D |
| 22:01.12 | Kage_Yittai | fine, no one help me. :( |
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| 22:08.54 | HockeyInJune | Can I install APT (apt-get, etc) to another Linux Distribution? Maybe use it with the current Distribution's Packages, or use .debs with the current Distribution? |
| 22:09.51 | stew | HockeyInJune: ask in a channel for the distribution you are trying to use |
| 22:09.54 | Kage_Yittai | Anyone else had issues with libldap2 packages when upgrading from etch to lenny? |
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| 22:13.49 | susanne-- | ok so i'm trying to install lenny on an hp desktop, pavilion thing. usb is br0ked -- the usb mouse won't even light up. dmesg at http://www.pastebin.ca/1027066 ... where do i go from here? google isn't providing any kind of useful info. |
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| 22:15.48 | SerajewelKS | is it a known bug that audacious records like shit on amd64? |
| 22:15.55 | vraa | you've got an E6300 susanne--? |
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| 22:15.58 | SerajewelKS | audacity rather |
| 22:16.05 | googlah | Guys.. |
| 22:16.06 | frostbite | Can someone explain to me exactly what WSDL is? I can't see any point to it. |
| 22:16.09 | googlah | seriously.. |
| 22:16.10 | googlah | http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png |
| 22:16.20 | humbolt |  how can I resolve a wins/netbios name from an IP address? |
| 22:16.23 | SerajewelKS | frostbite: it's a web service description language |
| 22:16.30 | vraa | i was able to overclock one of those last night to 3ghz, lowered multiplier to 2x and ramped up fsb to something silly like 430mhz |
| 22:16.33 | SerajewelKS | frostbite: it's used to describe a SOAP service |
| 22:17.09 | frostbite | SerajewelKS: So soap services aren't accessed directly then? The client loads the wdsl file and using the data in that connects to soap? |
| 22:17.42 | SerajewelKS | frostbite: right, the WSDL describes where and how to talk to the service |
| 22:17.58 | frostbite | SerajewelKS: I see; thanks for explaining that. |
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| 22:18.07 | SerajewelKS | frostbite: a client is given the URL of a WSDL and uses the URL contained inside the WSDL to talk to the service |
| 22:18.35 | SerajewelKS | the WSDL describes all of the services and methods available, arguments, return values, etc |
| 22:18.44 | frostbite | SerajewelKS: ok. |
| 22:21.07 | sandman | Didn't there used to be some website called ditch-microsoft or something that let you install Linux on your computer from Windows? |
| 22:21.39 | sandman | In particular, I think it would install Linux |
| 22:21.58 | frostbite | sandman: I believe the new ubuntu can do that. |
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| 22:22.06 | markybob | sander, http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:22.10 | Jacob_H | sander: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:22.11 | sandman | Ahh, there |
| 22:22.18 | sandman | Thank you |
| 22:22.32 | Jacob_H | Iâve never been quite sure what the point of it is |
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| 22:22.58 | sandman | Well, you click on it. It downloads a bash script or some such, runs some things, reboots, and installs Debian =) |
| 22:23.04 | markybob | it's just newbie friendly |
| 22:23.28 | sandman | It's useful for someone like me who has a broken CD-ROM, no good floppies, and no network connection outside of Windows (WPC11 v4) |
| 22:25.34 | frostbite | sandman: I'd assume that it simply downloads the installer. You'll need a network connection to actually run the installer. |
| 22:26.13 | Jacob_H | thatâs what I had thoughtâ¦I like the fact that the package for it includes wine as a suggestion |
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| 22:29.04 | markybob | i'm all for newbie friendliness, if it doesnt break shit :P |
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| 22:51.31 | Dutchy | I've installed distcc on my debian machine to help my gentoo machine compiling, and im getting los messages like this: distccd[26100] x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-g++ nsUnicodeToZapfDingbat.cpp on localhost:Segmentation fault |
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| 22:51.42 | Dutchy | Does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:51.50 | Dutchy | log* |
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| 22:54.17 | E-bola | Hi all |
| 22:54.21 | simonrvn | probably bad ram on whatever box localhost is in that log excerpt |
| 22:54.25 | E-bola | im trying to add a second ip to my nic on debian etch |
| 22:54.47 | E-bola | ive added it as eth0:1 in /etc/network/interfaces but i cant ping it even after doing ifup eth0:1 |
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| 22:55.02 | E-bola | also ifconfig does not report any RX or TX lines for the eth0:1 part |
| 22:55.06 | E-bola | any idea whats wrong? |
| 22:55.22 | E-bola | There are now 2 default gw's one for the natted lan ip and one for the wan ip |
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| 22:56.43 | Shadow_mil|bbl | !comfort me |
| 22:56.44 | dpkg | There, there, shadow_mil|bbl. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:56.52 | Shadow_mil|bbl | :) |
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| 22:57.31 | Shadow_mil|bbl | dist-upgrade is almost (after having to uninstall 1/2 of my stuff to met the dependencies) |
| 22:57.50 | simonrvn | E-bola: the aliased :XX do not need gw stuff, only an ip, broadcast and network setting. once eth0 is up, the others will be too, it's not real, just a pointer. |
| 22:57.52 | biopyte | abrotman, Bushmills: yesterday I came up with the case my monitor suddenly turning black (using testing), remember? You suggested it could be flash. Now I'm pretty sure its flash, it always happens when a certain web site is active. just wanted to let you know. Never had this problem before, though visiting this website every day (however sometimes iceweasel just froze, so thats somehow related). ) |
| 22:58.07 | simonrvn | you also need the auto foo stuff for every single one |
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| 22:58.18 | E-bola | simonrvn: but the ip's arent on the same range, and dont have the same gateway |
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| 22:59.06 | simonrvn | you can't do that then |
| 22:59.26 | E-bola | Are you sure? |
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| 22:59.29 | E-bola | pretty sure ive done it before |
| 22:59.37 | simonrvn | alasing does not give you more real NICs |
| 23:00.02 | E-bola | so if i have 2 completely different ip nets i wanna be on, and only have 1 nic, what options do i have? |
| 23:00.08 | simonrvn | aliasing* |
| 23:00.23 | simonrvn | add another nic |
| 23:00.30 | E-bola | thats not an option |
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| 23:00.38 | Shadow_mil|bbl | ok restart time |
| 23:00.41 | wols_ | E-bola: iptables NAT can work with 1 NIC. there is a howto out there |
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| 23:00.50 | Shadow_mil|bbl | debian lenny here I come |
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| 23:00.57 | E-bola | the problem is i wanna change the ip on a box at work |
| 23:01.08 | E-bola | from a natted lan ip to a wan ip, and im afraid ile loose connection to it hehe |
| 23:01.21 | E-bola | ohhh if only i had iLO on that box |
| 23:01.24 | wols_ | you will |
| 23:01.31 | wols_ | onlydo it when you have phys access |
| 23:01.43 | zkline | Hi, folks. |
| 23:01.48 | wols_ | and even then; dunno if it will work since your work probably is natted right now |
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| 23:02.15 | E-bola | i could ofcourse just try and assign the wan ip to eth0 in interfaces and then reboot |
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| 23:03.41 | zkline | I've got a couple of hardware compatability problems I was wondering if I could get help with... |
| 23:03.46 | E-bola | ohh it did work more or less |
| 23:03.49 | E-bola | i can access it from the lan |
| 23:03.59 | E-bola | just not from the wan, so the router must be messing it up somehow |
| 23:04.16 | wols_ | !tell zkline about ask |
| 23:04.16 | Tramp | E-bola: different IPs is not the problem. The problem is the routing |
| 23:04.55 | wols_ | E-bola: why do you need a WAN IP at the work box? |
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| 23:05.18 | zkline | I've got a sound card which is outputting to both headphones and speakers using Debian testing. Also have a non-detected wireless cared, but that's not so important. |
| 23:05.30 | zkline | The sound card seems to use the snd-hda-intel module. |
| 23:05.52 | E-bola | simonrvn: just to set things straight it works now, so your claim that it couldnt be done was completely false |
| 23:05.55 | wols_ | zkline: unfortuntely hda intel cards vary wildly |
| 23:06.12 | zkline | Gah... |
| 23:06.13 | E-bola | i just needed to generate some traffic for the router to pickup the mac address or whatever was going on |
| 23:06.26 | E-bola | wols: im deploying it in our mailscanner cluster |
| 23:06.45 | E-bola | i should have assigned the wan ip before i left but i was in a rush :) |
| 23:06.50 | simonrvn | E-bola: it didn't used to work |
| 23:06.51 | wols_ | E-bola: doesn't answer the question of why but only where |
| 23:06.54 | markybob | zkline, i've had this happen before. on one box, if i wanted to use my heaphones without having it output to the speakers, i had to start the computer with the headphones plugged in |
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| 23:07.07 | markybob | zkline, very annoying |
| 23:07.23 | E-bola | wols: its simpler to give each node a wan ip instaid of messing around with natting and portforwarding |
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| 23:07.36 | simonrvn | E-bola: and i don't appreciate being humiliated. |
| 23:07.42 | zkline | Yeah. I've tried that, and it doesn't seem to do any good. |
| 23:07.43 | wols_ | zkline: you could check alsa if there is a newer version than the one you currently use. can help: hda-intel is constantly under development |
| 23:08.06 | markybob | zkline, which kernel? |
| 23:08.08 | E-bola | simonrvn: Your not humiliated because you make a mistake.... its quite normal |
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| 23:08.18 | E-bola | nobody's perfect |
| 23:08.20 | zkline | I'm just using the ones in the 2.6.24 kernel and the library and utilities in testing. |
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| 23:08.48 | E-bola | runs off to play with mysqlproxy and load balancing |
| 23:09.04 | simonrvn | sighs and drops it |
| 23:09.07 | markybob | zkline, you might wanna try upgrading to 2.6.25.4 to see if it fixes it for you. worth a try |
| 23:09.50 | zkline | Maybe so. I'm not really a developer, but would I have to generate kernel headers and such from that too? |
| 23:10.02 | zkline | I had to recompile the one I'm using as is to patch in Speakup support. |
| 23:10.23 | markybob | zkline, make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers --rootcmd fakeroot |
| 23:10.32 | markybob | zkline, that will make packages for the kernel and headers |
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| 23:10.43 | markybob | zkline, /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 23:11.02 | wols_ | zkline: yes you do to do it. make-kpkg makes it easy tho |
| 23:11.19 | zkline | Just download from kernel.org? |
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| 23:11.24 | markybob | zkline, yep |
| 23:11.36 | zkline | Thanks, everybody. |
| 23:11.46 | zkline | I wonder about this wireless card too. |
| 23:11.48 | dcestari | hello all, I'm seen some packages that are not signed, specifically eclipse |
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| 23:11.53 | markybob | zkline, which chipset? |
| 23:11.55 | wols_ | zkline: what chip? |
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| 23:12.05 | catfish__ | Hi, how can I restore the default apache conf ? |
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| 23:12.22 | zkline | Broadcom 4310, I think. |
| 23:12.28 | catfish__ | pkg-reconfigure apache2 doesnt work |
| 23:12.30 | markybob | zkline, make sure. lspci |
| 23:12.31 | zkline | Funny thing, lspci doesn't call that "wireless" or anything like that. |
| 23:12.39 | wols_ | !tell catfish__ about confmiss |
| 23:12.52 | wols_ | zkline: update-pciids |
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| 23:13.25 | mewshi | hi there :) |
| 23:13.33 | catfish__ | wols_ i dont understand what u mean |
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| 23:13.45 | zkline | update-pciids? |
| 23:13.55 | markybob | zkline, yes. then lspci and tell us what it says for that card |
| 23:13.57 | wols_ | catfish__: move away your config dir (for backing up) then recreate it using the factoid |
| 23:14.06 | zkline | Okey. |
| 23:14.07 | mewshi | When I try to run 'apt-get update' it tells me that dynamic mmap ran out of room. How do I fix this? |
| 23:14.08 | wols_ | zkline: as root |
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| 23:14.16 | wols_ | !mmap |
| 23:14.16 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 23:14.34 | wols_ | mewshi: don't have so many branches/repos in your sources.list |
| 23:15.16 | mewshi | so, what, exactly, is causing the problem? |
| 23:15.24 | wols_ | too many repos |
| 23:15.39 | zkline | Broadcom Corperation BCM4310 USB Controler (rev 01) |
| 23:15.54 | zkline | It isn't USB, but... |
| 23:16.00 | mewshi | then why isn't it saying "Too many repos"? why is it specificaly saying dynamic mmap ran out of room |
| 23:16.08 | markybob | zkline, 2.6.25 supports that natively |
| 23:16.29 | zkline | I can probably use make oldconfig then... |
| 23:16.38 | markybob | zkline, just be sure to apt-get install b43-fwcutter ...*not* b43xx-fwcutter |
| 23:16.57 | zkline | After the kernel compile, or does it matter? |
| 23:17.12 | markybob | doesnt matter. you need that before the card can work, though |
| 23:17.18 | wols_ | markybob: shouldn't be needed with 2.6.25: it has "native support" for b43 now |
| 23:17.50 | zkline | I'll just ffetch the source then. |
| 23:17.51 | markybob | you do need it. i have bcm4311 |
| 23:17.53 | zkline | Thanks, everybody. |
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| 23:18.11 | wols_ | markybob: even with the new mac80211 stack? |
| 23:18.14 | markybob | yes |
| 23:18.26 | wols_ | so it's "only" the driver in the kernel? |
| 23:18.38 | markybob | ya |
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| 23:20.42 | vlt | Hello. I want to save a part of a video file (mp4) to a new file w/o recoding. What tool can you reccommend? |
| 23:21.03 | mewshi | avidemux |
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| 23:22.46 | mewshi | is there a way I can limit the download speed of apt-get? |
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| 23:24.15 | vlt | mewshi: I just tried this. but when I seect "copy only" something seems to be missing. I can't play the resulting file correctly: Searching is not possible. Recoding in avidemux works. Any idea? |
| 23:24.47 | Dutchy | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 23:24.48 | Dutchy | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 23:24.49 | mewshi | Trim the file in avidemux. it won't affect your original file |
| 23:24.53 | mewshi | then you can do it |
| 23:25.05 | Dutchy | can somebody help me configure/fix gcc? :) |
| 23:26.33 | jelly-home | Dutchy: read distcc documentation yet? |
| 23:26.55 | vlt | mewshi: Yes, trimming and recoding would work. But why do I have to recode? Isn't there a way to re-mux video files that will still play afterwards? |
| 23:27.01 | jelly-home | Dutchy: like, what kind of matching gcc versions/builds you need to have? |
| 23:27.13 | Dutchy | jelly-home: im sorry, did you give me an answer about my distcc question? i mustve missed |
| 23:27.23 | Dutchy | yes i do have matching version, 4.2.x |
| 23:27.25 | mewshi | can you trim out JUSt the part of an archive that you want? no. |
| 23:27.49 | Dutchy | my error is definitely with gcc, the error i just pasted is from a manual ./configure |
| 23:28.02 | vlt | mewshi: Even when I don't trim at all, just open a video file, and save in "copy/copy" mode, it gets corrupted. |
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| 23:28.33 | jelly-home | Dutchy: a segfault at build time doesn't look good |
| 23:28.47 | mewshi | Uh, you need to go to "file -> Save video" |
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| 23:28.57 | Dutchy | no shit :] |
| 23:29.07 | g0to | hello there, all! |
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| 23:29.18 | jelly-home | Dutchy: anyway. is build-essentian installed? is this an amd64 installation? |
| 23:29.25 | jelly-home | build-essential* |
| 23:29.39 | Dutchy | let me check that, and yes, amd64 |
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| 23:30.18 | mewshi | ok, how do I disable x from starting? |
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| 23:30.49 | g0to | I have just upgrade to kernel 2.6.24 and can't load root partition. After googling for a long while can't find the answer to my problem |
| 23:31.30 | mewshi | g0to: what filesystem is the root? |
| 23:31.57 | g0to | message I get is "waiting for root file system" during a couple of minutes aprox and before it fails |
| 23:32.05 | Dutchy | jelly-home: thank you, that's probably it, i forgot that i needed more than just gcc |
| 23:32.07 | mewshi | what filesystem is it? |
| 23:32.12 | g0to | mewshi: EXT3 |
| 23:32.16 | mewshi | hm |
| 23:32.22 | wols_ | g0to: initrd problem |
| 23:32.33 | wols_ | !tell mewshi about nogdm |
| 23:32.39 | wols_ | !tell mewshi about nodm |
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| 23:32.53 | Fare | gah, my /var/lib/dpkg is corrupted. Sigh. |
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| 23:33.17 | g0to | wols_: if it is, how can i check it? |
| 23:33.55 | vlt | mewshi: Hmmm, I opened a file that plays fine and went to "file" -> "save video". The new file doesn't play as well as the original. What could be the problem here? |
| 23:33.57 | wols_ | g0to: you can recreate it. what hdd controller? |
| 23:34.28 | mewshi | different codec |
| 23:34.28 | vlt | mewshi: (video: COPY, audio: COPY) |
| 23:34.29 | wols_ | g0to: does dmesg show you your sdaX? |
| 23:34.34 | g0to | wols_: sata |
| 23:34.50 | wols_ | g0to: that is no controller. that's a type of controller only |
| 23:34.53 | mewshi | hm... could just be a lack of memory in your system |
| 23:34.54 | g0to | wols_: yes is sda1 |
| 23:35.19 | wols_ | g0to: not what it is, but does your kernel output actually show and recognize sda1? |
| 23:35.52 | g0to | wols_: if you mean driver, I don't know what's the disk's driver |
| 23:36.04 | wols_ | I mean what chip is it? |
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| 23:36.49 | g0to | wols_: I don´t know what it is :S |
| 23:36.59 | wols_ | then find out |
| 23:37.25 | g0to | wols_: okay |
| 23:37.32 | sandman | How long has people.debian.org been down? |
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| 23:37.50 | streuner | .oO (a sandman) :-) |
| 23:39.25 | sandman | I went to grab the latest netboot images of joeyh, to test out on this behemoth piece of shit laptop I've been talking about lately |
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| 23:39.48 | sandman | Only to discover that I couldn't access anything on p.d.o |
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| 23:40.32 | g0to | wols_: does it depends on only hard disk or hard disk and motherboard controler? |
| 23:40.36 | sandman | Does p.d.o have a mirror? |
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| 23:40.45 | wols_ | mobo |
| 23:41.00 | sandman | Oh hey, did it just come back up? p.d.o, that is? |
| 23:41.02 | sandman | What was wrong? |
| 23:41.06 | catfish__ | guys, im unable to restore my default apache conf, even not with "dpkg's" advise |
| 23:41.32 | Guerin | why not? |
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| 23:44.08 | pipeline | catfish__: purge and reinstall |
| 23:44.24 | g0to | wols_: ICH5R is the chipset that controls SATA on my mobo |
| 23:44.24 | pipeline | catfish__: apt won't change your configuration files without your very explicit demand |
| 23:44.44 | pipeline | catfish__: so, uh, apt-get remove --purge apache2-common, then reinstall apache2. |
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| 23:47.14 | mewshi | how do i tell it to only install what I'm trying to install, and its dependencies? I don't want it to install gedit after I ALREADY removed X |
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| 23:58.26 | g0to | wols_: I see my udev installed version is in conflict with initramfs-tools |
| 23:58.26 | theneb_eeepc | Hi, is there a debian eeepc channel? |
| 23:59.05 | g0to | theneb_eeepc: do you have the brand new 900 version? |
| 23:59.10 | theneb_eeepc | 702 |
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