| 00:00.06 | NOOBiSAN | visual basic 5 |
| 00:00.26 | Bushmills | probably some indirect threaded code, from the vb virtual engine |
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| 00:01.04 | Bushmills | you need to know the object format to interpret it, and microsoft is not exactly great telling about it |
| 00:01.19 | Bushmills | try #microsoft |
| 00:01.22 | peleg | update solved it :-) |
| 00:01.24 | Bushmills | or #windows |
| 00:01.33 | NOOBiSAN | hex editor shows 16 bytes at a time right |
| 00:02.11 | NOOBiSAN | and on the very right it shows it as ascii? |
| 00:02.21 | Bushmills | often, yes |
| 00:02.28 | NOOBiSAN | what is the offset |
| 00:02.49 | NOOBiSAN | file start bits? |
| 00:03.06 | Bushmills | but that's just .. display. depends on the viewer. though 16 bytes is commonly used as it fits well on 80 chars long lines |
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| 00:03.25 | Bushmills | file starts with offset 0 |
| 00:03.37 | Bushmills | i.e. "distance fromon the begin" |
| 00:04.53 | NOOBiSAN | i see |
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| 00:05.07 | NOOBiSAN | what else would you suggest to analyze a binary file |
| 00:05.38 | Bushmills | as i said, it depends on what file it is. |
| 00:05.41 | NOOBiSAN | a disassembler right |
| 00:05.43 | NOOBiSAN | what is that |
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| 00:05.50 | Bushmills | there is not just one type of binary file |
| 00:05.57 | Bushmills | anything which is not text is a binary file |
| 00:06.07 | NOOBiSAN | i see |
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| 00:06.19 | foobar8 | what was the ls option to show read disk usage? (similar to du) [size-holes] |
| 00:06.30 | Bushmills | if binary file is an executable or lib, containing machine code, a disassembler would be useful, yes |
| 00:06.45 | NOOBiSAN | it is an exe file |
| 00:06.47 | Bushmills | foobar8: df |
| 00:07.02 | Bushmills | NOOBiSAN: linux has no .exe files |
| 00:07.14 | NOOBiSAN | of course not :) |
| 00:07.16 | Bushmills | well. hardly |
| 00:07.17 | Bushmills | not a lot |
| 00:07.33 | NOOBiSAN | I am just trying to learn about binary files |
| 00:07.43 | NOOBiSAN | so I thought I might get an answer up in here |
| 00:07.47 | NOOBiSAN | :) |
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| 00:09.14 | foobar8 | tinks there is no ls option |
| 00:09.20 | Bushmills | you should look at the relevant microsoft docs |
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| 00:10.55 | foobar8 | NOOBiSAN: for exe files mingw32-binutils can provide some help |
| 00:11.05 | peleg | someone here uses mutt? |
| 00:11.34 | NOOBiSAN | thanks foobar8 I am looking into it |
| 00:11.39 | NOOBiSAN | thanks bushmills |
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| 00:11.52 | Bushmills | peleg: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=mutt |
| 00:12.35 | timmy_boy | Bushmills: Mono can compile C# into dll/exe. |
| 00:12.43 | peleg | Bushmills: :-) |
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| 00:15.52 | peleg | I just can't make mutt login into my imap server. I am trying to login using my regular pw, that works on any other imap client (e.g. evolution), but maybe it's PLAIN and it should be encrypted somehow? |
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| 00:17.01 | Bushmills | does mutt have imap support at all? |
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| 00:18.25 | peterS | anyone know offhand whether the xserver-xorg-video-nv driver is supposed to be able to POST nv40+ cards if the BIOS didn't already? |
| 00:18.34 | peterS | 'cause it segfaults for me when it tries |
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| 00:19.11 | peterS | it works fine if I tell the BIOS to POST that card instead of the other |
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| 00:22.25 | Bushmills | yes. has imap, version 1.4 and more recent, didn't know that. |
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| 00:25.45 | bogo | how can I use /dev/tcp and /dev/udp on lenny ? bash seems to have it disabled |
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| 00:28.12 | asg2 | bogo: use netcat instead or install a shell that has that behavior. |
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| 00:28.58 | ma3x | why when I do suspend, it returns to the screen without going to sleep |
| 00:29.17 | foobar8 | bogo: afair debian has it disabled for a long time for security reasons (maybe there is some related entry in the bts?) - and yes netcat-*, socat or socket are nice replacements |
| 00:29.48 | W0rmF00d | uses netcat ALL THE TIME...it is a wonderful tool |
| 00:30.13 | peleg | one more time: does anyone *here* uses mutt, and was able to login to its imap account on a remote server? |
| 00:31.10 | foobar8 | peleg: i don't use mutt anymore but i remember for me it worked |
| 00:31.13 | WormFood | peleg, I use imap, but I use it with suck-ass evolution |
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| 00:32.23 | peleg | WormFood, foobar8: thanks you (both) - the problem is that I can login to my imap account via evolution, but NOT via mutt, so I wonder what am I doing wrong. |
| 00:32.39 | foobar8 | peleg: in my old config is: set imap_force_ssl and for the imap daemon i used at that time it imho was necessary to set the namespace: set imap_home_namespace="INBOX." |
| 00:32.51 | WormFood | ma3x, you may be doing nothing wrong....is your imap server using ssl? |
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| 00:32.56 | peleg | foobar8: thanks, I'll try that |
| 00:33.22 | WormFood | er, I mean peleg |
| 00:33.28 | jintxo | peleg, could be that your imap server requires ssl (imaps por 993) to allow plaintext logins and doesn't alloe plaintext login to standard imap (143) port? I know dovecot-imap coems like that by default |
| 00:33.31 | foobar8 | peleg: and folder was something like: set folder="imaps://somehost" |
| 00:33.44 | WormFood | ma3x, your hardware may not support suspend....how are you issuing the command? |
| 00:34.09 | ma3x | WormFood: it supports, it's okay when i do it with echo mem > /sys/power/state but kpowersave doesnt do it |
| 00:34.21 | peleg | thanks |
| 00:34.53 | WormFood | ma3x, I found that none of the GUI interfaces allow me to hibernate or suspend my machine, I have to do it from the command line (hibernate-{ram,disk}) |
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| 00:35.43 | WormFood | it is not a big deal to me, because I'm a command line junkie, and always have a terminal open |
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| 00:36.22 | peleg | foobar8: I get "Error in /home/peleg/.muttrc, line 1: imap_force_ssl: unknown variable" |
| 00:36.30 | assasukasse | if someone is interested, i know if OT, but is fun to know what they are selling :D http://assasukasse.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/ubuntu-hardy-the-odissey/ |
| 00:36.56 | assasukasse | im off to bed |
| 00:36.59 | assasukasse | goodnite all |
| 00:37.39 | peleg | WormFood: as a command line junkie - do you know about any other imap cliend which is not mutt? |
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| 00:38.24 | WormFood | fetchmail |
| 00:38.30 | peleg | thanks |
| 00:38.35 | peterS | you know, /dev/tcp and /dev/udp being disabled is pretty much my fault. I filed a but on them a long time ago and the maintainer said "wtf, why do we have that enabled, it's a stupid feature" and disabled it. (: |
| 00:38.43 | Bushmills | sort of defeats the idea of imap? |
| 00:38.51 | peterS | filed a bug, even |
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| 00:40.05 | Bushmills | peleg: alpine (a pine upgrade) is both text and supports imap |
| 00:40.08 | WormFood | peterS, don't feel bad, they make some poor choices with debian sometimes.....I have to compile my own kernel because they removed the driver for my wireless card thinking there was a different driver to operate it....well, it does operate it, but does not do shit (as far as features are concerned), and I need the "old" driver....rather frustrating |
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| 00:40.27 | foobar8 | peleg: my settings are for a very old mutt: 1.5.9-2sarge2 |
| 00:40.36 | peterS | WormFood: oh I don't feel bad, I think netcat is a better option too |
| 00:40.40 | foobar8 | peleg: maybe that changed |
| 00:40.50 | peleg | actually the reason that I do all of that is that I just installed exim + dovecot, but I can't login to my new imap server; no matter what, it keeps saying that the authentication failed. |
| 00:40.53 | peleg | foobar8: thanks |
| 00:40.54 | NekoKun | how long takes the 'configuring apt' when installing? |
| 00:40.58 | peleg | Bushmills: thanks |
| 00:41.02 | Bushmills | etpan too |
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| 00:41.52 | WormFood | netcat fuckin' rocks! I've been using that for a long, long time.....I find it quick and easy to tar -cv <some files>|nc -l -p 8888, and nc <remote machine> 8888|tar xv as a way to copy files over the network without needed additional servers/tools |
| 00:42.30 | peterS | WormFood: even better, the debian-installer shell has a rudimentary nc built in. I've actually used it to transfer a driver onto a machine I was trying to install |
| 00:42.35 | peterS | WormFood: using tar |
| 00:42.42 | ricosecada | I am thinking about renting a dedicated server and then run Debian on the machine. I am currently located in Copenhagen Denmark where dedicated machine are very expensive, so I was thinking about Germany. What is a good round-trip time using ping? |
| 00:42.47 | WormFood | and for some reason, on debian, I have to use the -q option with netcat |
| 00:43.04 | Bushmills | ricosecada: ping verhau.de |
| 00:43.45 | ricosecada | Bushmills, yes but when should I decide that the time is to high? IS 50 ms to high or 70 ms? I don't know. |
| 00:43.45 | Bushmills | or ping peilfunk.de |
| 00:44.09 | Bushmills | couldn't tell you for denmark |
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| 00:44.24 | Bushmills | i'm in ireland, and know what my good or bad times are |
| 00:44.27 | WormFood | the ping time to my server is a hair over 200ms, and I'm happy (but my server is in usa, and I'm in china) |
| 00:44.50 | ricosecada | When I ping danish sites I get about 30 ms when I ping german sites I get 50 ms |
| 00:44.59 | Bushmills | i'd say, you could have about 20 ms from denmark |
| 00:45.06 | Bushmills | oh |
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| 00:45.13 | WormFood | everything is relative |
| 00:45.39 | Bushmills | dutch friends get about 12..15 ms for those servers |
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| 00:45.41 | WormFood | what are you trying to measure with ping? |
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| 00:45.58 | WormFood | are you trying to measure the response time of the server, or the latency of the network? |
| 00:46.00 | Bushmills | ricosecada: try mtr instead |
| 00:46.09 | Bushmills | gives you better idea where the bottlenecks are |
| 00:46.10 | ricosecada | I am trying to understand how much different the server responds will be depending on location. |
| 00:46.35 | WormFood | what is the real difference to you between 20ms and 50ms? |
| 00:46.46 | NickPresta | WormFood, 30ms? ;) |
| 00:46.52 | WormFood | you think you'll be able to notice the difference in speed when you load a web page? |
| 00:46.52 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 00:46.58 | Bushmills | the tow servers i have you are relatively low cost dedicated servers |
| 00:46.59 | ricosecada | Bushmills, thanks about mtr :-) |
| 00:47.00 | Bushmills | two |
| 00:47.06 | Bushmills | gave |
| 00:47.44 | ricosecada | WormFood, not loading a web page, just responds time. |
| 00:47.58 | WormFood | BFD! what is 30ms? |
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| 00:48.11 | WormFood | are you going to feel the difference, as a human, in 30ms? |
| 00:48.21 | Bushmills | depends what you do |
| 00:48.31 | ricosecada | That's what I am asking.. |
| 00:48.46 | Bushmills | if you run a game server, low pings are important |
| 00:48.59 | Bushmills | for download, web server etc, not that much |
| 00:48.59 | WormFood | obviously, but if you're looking at a virtual server, you obviously are not concerned about performance (I mean, as long as it isn't slow as hell) |
| 00:49.07 | ricosecada | I don't know. What is a "slow connection?" above 70 ms or where? There must be some relative measurements. |
| 00:49.14 | Bushmills | sustained transfer speed is more important then |
| 00:49.31 | ricosecada | dedicated not virtual |
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| 00:50.00 | Bushmills | ping time of 10 ms is worth nothing if the connection is only 1 mbit |
| 00:50.01 | WormFood | I'm sorry, I misunderstood....I thought you were looking at virtual servers |
| 00:50.21 | adamSS | Running debian 4.0 etch, have ndiswrapper version 1.52 and a DYNEX DX-EBDTC card. Everything goes great until i try the modprobe ndiswrapper command... says i dont have that module.. any suggestions? |
| 00:50.27 | ricosecada | np :-) |
| 00:50.30 | Bushmills | dedicated servers are usually 10 or 100 though |
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| 00:50.54 | ricosecada | Both the one in denmark and germany are 100 |
| 00:50.59 | Bushmills | what are you going to do with the server? |
| 00:51.05 | WormFood | but in either case....measure the number of hops between the servers you are looking at |
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| 00:52.08 | WormFood | after that packet leaves the network of the hosting company, they have little control over it |
| 00:52.15 | WormFood | you're at the mercy of the network |
| 00:52.25 | WormFood | network=internet |
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| 00:54.38 | ricosecada | Now I am not gaming, but this gives a clue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(video_games) |
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| 00:56.46 | Bushmills | ricosecada: what was the time for the servers i gave you? |
| 00:56.53 | ricosecada | 50 ms |
| 00:57.03 | ricosecada | avarage |
| 00:57.14 | ricosecada | average (sorry) |
| 00:58.03 | Bushmills | quite good connection is heise.de |
| 00:58.28 | Bushmills | possibly won't go much lower than that |
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| 00:58.42 | ricosecada | heise.de is about 43 on average |
| 00:59.02 | NekoKun | undefined value to 'vet' at debconf-apt-progress line 252, is it a problem??? |
| 00:59.44 | Bushmills | i get the same time to heise.de here, to ireland |
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| 01:00.07 | Bushmills | but the first two are a bit slower for me |
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| 01:01.44 | WormFood | my ping time to those 2 servers are in the mid 300ms range (340-360) |
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| 01:03.22 | WormFood | verhau.de is in the 340-350 range, and peilfunk.de is in the 360-365 range |
| 01:03.44 | Bushmills | both servers sit next to each other. |
| 01:03.49 | Bushmills | should be identical |
| 01:03.58 | Bushmills | in fact, peilfunk lower. less traffic |
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| 01:04.03 | WormFood | they are not identical for me |
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| 01:04.16 | Bushmills | any difference to logilan.com? |
| 01:05.00 | Bushmills | (next building) |
| 01:05.09 | WormFood | 344-351 for me |
| 01:05.20 | Bushmills | same as first. |
| 01:06.01 | Bushmills | and (213.133.108.8? |
| 01:06.14 | Bushmills | (again, different building) |
| 01:06.31 | WormFood | 330-334 for me |
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| 01:06.48 | Bushmills | funny. last machine is the slowest of all |
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| 01:06.50 | WormFood | I can't get a traceroute after about 14 hops |
| 01:07.14 | WormFood | it has little to do with the speed of the machine, and more to do with the network route and network conditions |
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| 01:07.27 | Bushmills | all about the same |
| 01:07.55 | WormFood | now if you catch me later, I can test it from 2 more machines....on is on a dsl line, and one is my virtual server....but I can't do it now, I have to get ready to go to work |
| 01:08.15 | Bushmills | 'k |
| 01:08.28 | WormFood | in case you missed it before, I'm in China, so that is why my ping times are so high for me |
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| 01:08.59 | Bushmills | no, didn't miss it. but was surprised that you got through. |
| 01:09.02 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i'm trying to compile scx-recorder http://debian.pastebin.com/m130eff42 but i got some errores any idea? |
| 01:09.07 | Bushmills | lots of china firewalled on two of them |
| 01:09.27 | Bushmills | plenty of link spammers ... |
| 01:09.39 | WormFood | I gotta go now, I'll be back in about 2 hours....msg me later (I'm not registered with nickserver right now, I forgot my password), if you want me to ping them from my machines in usa as a relative test |
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| 01:10.13 | Bushmills | WormFood: ricosecada might like to kow |
| 01:10.14 | Bushmills | know |
| 01:10.51 | WormFood | ok, then give me a message in about 2 hours and I'll runs some ping times for you from arizona and florida |
| 01:11.16 | bokbaard | guys, if im using a firehol script I KNOW works, masquerading and all, ip_forward=1 etc... are there any other reasons why internet-sharing won't work from lan? (only local box) |
| 01:11.26 | Bushmills | ok. and i can give you the url with the blocked addresses (as mentioned, many chinese ranges) |
| 01:11.50 | WormFood | oh yeah...and I can test the ping times from my workplace (using wap, so the ping times may be less meaningful) |
| 01:11.56 | WormFood | I may be blocked at work ;) |
| 01:11.58 | Bushmills | bokbaard: ip_forward not on |
| 01:12.50 | bokbaard | Bushmills : it is indeed on. |
| 01:13.01 | bokbaard | think im missing something minor here |
| 01:13.17 | Bushmills | WormFood: http://wiki.forthfreak.net/index.cgi?BlockedAddresses |
| 01:13.53 | bokbaard | how do i let sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 stick after reboots though ? |
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| 01:15.12 | Bushmills | bokbaard: you don't. instead, you turn it on when you load firewall |
| 01:15.34 | Bushmills | bokbaard: possibly through /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:15.54 | inimino | root@kat:/usr/bin# ls -l libgnutls-extra-config |
| 01:15.56 | inimino | ls: cannot access libgnutls-extra-config: Permission denied |
| 01:16.03 | inimino | wtf? |
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| 01:16.30 | Bushmills | or through if-up.d/... |
| 01:17.00 | inimino | why is there a file that root can't ls or rm? |
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| 01:17.44 | pinto3 | maybe filesystem attributes or those access controls |
| 01:17.51 | inimino | there's three of them, all config files |
| 01:18.21 | Bushmills | inimino: what does lsattr libgnutls-extra-config show? |
| 01:18.41 | inimino | root@kat:/usr/bin# lsattr libgnutls-extra-config |
| 01:18.42 | rhineheart_m | Is it possible to have two http servers in two separate boxes with ONE public IP? Domain A received by server A while Domain B will be forwarded by server A to server B that serves domain B pages. |
| 01:18.43 | inimino | lsattr: Permission denied while trying to stat libgnutls-extra-config |
| 01:19.08 | inimino | rhineheart_m: no |
| 01:19.18 | Bushmills | inimino: file libgnutls-extra-config ? |
| 01:19.20 | Ariel_Calzada | http://debian.pastebin.com/m130eff42 |
| 01:19.21 | inimino | rhineheart_m: you can set up load balancing though |
| 01:19.50 | inimino | 'file' needs to read() won't it? |
| 01:19.55 | Bushmills | yes |
| 01:20.02 | Bushmills | i expect it to fail too |
| 01:20.08 | inimino | root@kat:/usr/bin# file libgnutls-extra-config |
| 01:20.10 | inimino | libgnutls-extra-config: ERROR: cannot open `libgnutls-extra-config' (Permission denied) |
| 01:20.38 | Bushmills | what are the mount options of the partition, containing /usr/bin? |
| 01:20.48 | Bushmills | from output of mount |
| 01:20.53 | inimino | good question, let's see |
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| 01:23.10 | rhineheart_m | what are the advantages when using load balancer? |
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| 01:23.50 | Bushmills | some redundancy and compensating for bottlenecks |
| 01:23.52 | inimino | mount only shows rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 01:24.00 | inimino | erm |
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| 01:24.02 | inimino | "rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) |
| 01:24.11 | inimino | " |
| 01:24.16 | inimino | heh |
| 01:25.05 | sandman | Anybody here use qemu with kqemu in Etch? For some reason, nothing seems to work with kqemu on full acceleration. |
| 01:25.26 | Bushmills | inimino: i'd probably run a fsck on that partition now, by rebooting into an alternative system |
| 01:25.26 | WaffleMatt | rhineheart_m, what you'd do is set up something like pound on one of the boxes that'll forward connections to one of the backend servers. |
| 01:25.32 | inimino | cat /proc/mounts shows "/dev/root / reiserfs rw 0 0" |
| 01:25.48 | inimino | Bushmills: yeah, I guess I should do that |
| 01:25.52 | Bushmills | reiser? |
| 01:25.55 | inimino | yes |
| 01:26.15 | rhineheart_m | WaffleMatt, is there domain forwarding option in pound to another machine in a LAN? |
| 01:26.31 | WaffleMatt | I do believe so rhineheart_m |
| 01:26.36 | WaffleMatt | http://www.apsis.ch/pound/ rhineheart_m |
| 01:26.57 | rhineheart_m | WaffleMatt, that helps.. reading.. thanks |
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| 01:32.13 | lac | how do I force my machine to recognize daylight savings time? |
| 01:32.35 | Bushmills | lac, picking the proper time zone file should be enough |
| 01:32.44 | Bushmills | tzconfig or tzselect |
| 01:35.01 | lac | tzselect is telling me 'You can make this change permanent for yourself by appen |
| 01:35.01 | lac | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.01 | lac | to the file '.profile' in your home directory; |
| 01:35.04 | Bushmills | probably same effect is to put Continent/City into /etc/timezone |
| 01:35.16 | lac | but I want to make this permanent for everybody |
| 01:35.32 | lac | ok, thank you very much. |
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| 01:36.48 | lac | hmm, that didn't work, or rather that is what /etc/timezone has said since march 31st and the time is still without daylight savings |
| 01:37.10 | lac | when DST happened this machine never turned its clock back. |
| 01:37.18 | lac | Is that stored someplace else? |
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| 01:38.23 | Bushmills | you could add export  TZ='Europe/Stockholm' to your /etc/environment |
| 01:38.30 | Bushmills | but shouldn't really be necessary |
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| 01:39.27 | Bushmills | (environment is read during boot, thus only adding it won't have immediate effect on your clock) |
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| 01:40.47 | lac | ok, rebooting now, but since /etc/timezone already had the correct information, I suspect that my clock come up off by one hour again. |
| 01:40.53 | pinto3 | hmm, my clock's always an hour ahead, would adding TZ='America/Central' or somthing fix that up? |
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| 01:41.01 | pinto3 | (didn't see a manpage for environment) |
| 01:41.16 | inimino | lac: you can just test that |
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| 01:44.24 | WormFood | pinto3, don't feel bad, my clock gets to be 12 hours behind....so I never notice it unless I look at the date or the am/pm indicator |
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| 01:45.02 | pinto3 | i spent some time trying to get it fixed up right when i installed, but it kept sliding backwards, one hour isn't a big deal though |
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| 01:45.13 | lac | right, as I expected, when I reboot the time is back to Sun Apr 27 04:45:00 CEST 2008 |
| 01:45.13 | Bushmills | often, a look outside is indicator enough |
| 01:45.25 | Bushmills | "daylight" or "no daylight" |
| 01:45.29 | lac | and its 03.45 here now |
| 01:45.31 | pinto3 | lol |
| 01:45.45 | WormFood | lac, hwclock --systohc |
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| 01:46.02 | WormFood | lac, you set your system time, but you didn't apply that change to your hardware clock |
| 01:46.04 | inimino | lac: date -Is |
| 01:46.06 | Bushmills | set clock first |
| 01:46.33 | inimino | should be 19:46 |
| 01:47.04 | inimino | erm... |
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| 01:47.08 | Bushmills | hm |
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| 01:47.19 | inimino | should be 01:46 |
| 01:47.20 | WormFood | and furthermore....hhhmmmmm |
| 01:47.23 | Bushmills | seems i'm assuming too easily that everybody runs ntp |
| 01:47.43 | WormFood | I run ntp but that god damn shit does not correct my clock when it somehow gets 12 hours behind |
| 01:48.21 | inimino | heh |
| 01:48.27 | Bushmills | WormFood: ntp does not correct for your local time. that's your responsability, to set your TZ correctly. |
| 01:48.44 | WormFood | god damn it Bushmills, my fuckin' time zone IS set correctly |
| 01:49.04 | WormFood | I've been running Linux since 1995....I know how to set my god damn time zone |
| 01:49.15 | inimino | WormFood: you may need to check your log, sometimes ntp won't connect to any server |
| 01:49.16 | Bushmills | WormFood: what does ntpq -c peers localhost say? |
| 01:49.35 | inimino | WormFood: also if it's more than a little bit off, ntp will give up |
| 01:49.54 | WormFood | ntp does not matter, because it will not correct the clock if it is many hours off...it only only make small changes without additional options set |
| 01:50.20 | WormFood | I can connect to the ntp servers.....what I end up doing is stopping ntpd, and run ntpdate manually to set my clock |
| 01:50.45 | WormFood | this fuckin' clock shit is driving me crazy....I can't figure out what the fuck is changing it |
| 01:50.58 | Bushmills | usually ntp works. therefore i believe that it is due to your setyp |
| 01:51.00 | WormFood | and whatever it is, it is changing my hardware clock too |
| 01:51.00 | Bushmills | up |
| 01:51.00 | stew | WormFood: i thought you figured out that windows was changing it? |
| 01:51.15 | Bushmills | do you have adjtimex installed too? |
| 01:51.22 | WormFood | no stew, I did tests yesterday on my way to work, and I could not get winblows to change my clock |
| 01:51.45 | WormFood | stew, I had forgotten I updated debian recently too....now I suspect that is the source of the problem, but still not sure |
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| 01:52.14 | WormFood | maybe it has to do with running Winblows at midnight (the only time I use winblows is so friends can see my web cam) |
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| 01:52.39 | WormFood | now I set my clock to 24 hour time, so I can more easily notice when it is wrong |
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| 01:53.32 | pinto3 | anybody here had experience with the oss drivers? worked fine yesterday on the early beta xfi drivers, system went down for hibernate and now they're not going, (debian doesn't have support for the drivers yet, but maybe one of you got it working) |
| 01:53.35 | streuner | WormFood: grep -i utc= /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:53.48 | WormFood | streuner, it is set to local |
| 01:54.07 | WormFood | streuner, UTC=no |
| 01:54.08 | pinto3 | ossinfo prints out the hardware, i'm getting a pcm0 i/o error |
| 01:54.18 | Bushmills | ah. clock st to local *plus* TZ set? |
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| 01:54.34 | Bushmills | that's sort of correcting twice, isnt it? |
| 01:54.43 | WormFood | the time zone is set right, at the system level |
| 01:54.50 | ma3x | why sudo /bin/echo mem > /sys/power/state doesnt work |
| 01:54.57 | WormFood | I don't need to set any shell enviroment |
| 01:54.58 | Bushmills | and your hardware clock is UTC? |
| 01:55.22 | WormFood | no, my hardware clock is local, because I sometimes use winblows, and want the clock correct there |
| 01:55.36 | Guerin | you fail |
| 01:55.46 | Bushmills | if clock is set to local, you wouldn't set TZ to your location |
| 01:55.54 | WormFood | usually I don't give a fuck about windows, and just let the clock be wrong there.....but since this is my main machine, now I set my clock to local time so it will be right in Linux and winblows |
| 01:56.13 | Bushmills | or TZ corrects for your already local time |
| 01:56.17 | ma3x | ? |
| 01:56.32 | Guerin | !htfswk ma3x |
| 01:56.32 | dpkg | ma3x: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:56.42 | WormFood | that is a possibility I had never thought of Bushmills |
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| 01:57.13 | WormFood | BUT, wouldn't "UTC=no" take care of that issue? |
| 01:57.22 | ma3x | /sys/power/state: Permission denied |
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| 01:57.36 | WormFood | I seriously doubt it is because my time zone, because Linux knows the hardware clock is set to local time |
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| 01:57.57 | lac | my problem continues. If I run tzconfig, it thinks that the local time for Stockholm, Sweden is Sun Apr 27 04:57:03 CEST 2008 |
| 01:57.59 | Bushmills | can't tell you for sure. i avoid UTC=no as it seems only to result in added complexity to get the right time |
| 01:58.08 | lac | and Universal Time is now: Sun Apr 27 02:57:03 UTC 2008 |
| 01:58.14 | WormFood | ma3x, make yourself root to dick with system level things |
| 01:58.19 | stew | ma3x: "sudo /bin/echo mem > /sys/power/state" pipes the output of sudo into /sys/power/state with non-root privileges |
| 01:58.26 | Bushmills | Sun Apr 27 01:58:19 UTC 2008 |
| 01:58.42 | ma3x | stew: it works but when i put that to /usr/bin/mem it doesnt work |
| 01:58.48 | Bushmills | what your machine thinks is UTC seems to be one hour off |
| 01:58.52 | Guerin | no, it doesn't work |
| 01:58.53 | WormFood | Bushmills, my clock is correct most of the time, but sometimes, and I can't figure out when, it gets changed, and it exactly 12 hours behind |
| 01:58.54 | stew | ma3x: when you do what? |
| 01:58.55 | ma3x | i want to put it to sleep using 'mem' command |
| 01:58.57 | Guerin | be root, or don't bother |
| 01:59.39 | lac | what file are you finding 'UTC=no' in |
| 01:59.47 | WormFood | anyways, I need to get dressed and go to work, I'll talk with you guys later...you all have a good day/night (whichever applies) |
| 01:59.48 | ma3x | stew i put echo "sudo echo mem > /sys/power/state" in /usr/bin/mem |
| 01:59.54 | Bushmills | i think the root of the problem is windows not understanding UTC in hardware clock |
| 01:59.55 | stew | ma3x: ok |
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| 02:00.05 | stew | ma3x: there is no reason to run echo as root |
| 02:00.07 | ma3x | stew: then i invoke it using mem and it says denied |
| 02:00.10 | lac | thank you WormFood |
| 02:00.21 | Guerin | ma3x: that's arguably the most stupid thing I've ever seen done |
| 02:00.22 | stew | ma3x: yes, only root can write to /sys/power/state |
| 02:00.28 | ma3x | stew but to output 'mem' to /sys/power/state ypu need to |
| 02:00.55 | ma3x | Guerin: why? i want to create a command 'mem' that puts system to sleep |
| 02:00.56 | stew | ma3x: you'd need to run this /usr/bin/mem script as root or with sudo |
| 02:00.58 | pinto3 | if anybody's knowledgeable about oss and debian maybe you could give me a hand http://paste-it.net/public/jda8b3c/ |
| 02:01.08 | Guerin | ma3x: be root |
| 02:01.24 | ma3x | Guerin: but then if someone else starts up my computer, he has root |
| 02:01.26 | inimino | lac: your clock is wrong |
| 02:01.35 | Guerin | ma3x: and writing scripts which give root privileges to `echo' is *insane* |
| 02:01.37 | inimino | lac: by one hour |
| 02:01.51 | stew | ma3x: sudo echo whatever > whereever only runs the "echo" part as root. then takes the output of that command and puts it in whereever as a regular user |
| 02:02.07 | inimino | lac: you need to set your clock or use NTP, current UTC time is 02:01 |
| 02:02.19 | asg2 | ma3x: the write a wrapper script that does all the nastiness and configure sudo to let others runit |
| 02:02.23 | lac | inimino: yes indeed. this is what I am trying to fix. how do I set my clock? |
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| 02:02.43 | inimino | lac: you can use 'date' as root |
| 02:02.53 | Bushmills | lac: sync time first, maybe using ntpdate or netdate |
| 02:02.54 | ma3x | ok thnks bye |
| 02:02.58 | inimino | lac: it's not a timezone problem though |
| 02:03.15 | lac | thank you. progress. |
| 02:03.17 | inimino | actually yes, using NTP is best |
| 02:04.00 | Bushmills | ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org should give you correct time |
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| 02:05.14 | lac | ok, I am installing ntpdate now |
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| 02:05.33 | venger | what command do I msg to dpkg for it to tell me the version of foo package in bar release? |
| 02:05.48 | lac | ooops, need to run apt-get update to get this to work |
| 02:06.22 | stew | venger: /msg dpkg info foo bar |
| 02:06.33 | venger | thanks stew |
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| 02:11.53 | lac | ok, I did ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org and got back 27 Apr 04:10:50 ntpdate[5416]: step time server 130.236.254.17 offset -3607.909035 sec |
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| 02:12.06 | lac | which is still wrong. |
| 02:12.10 | Bushmills | do it again |
| 02:12.19 | Bushmills | should show about 0.xxx diff |
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| 02:12.43 | lac | 27 Apr 04:12:32 ntpdate[5421]: step time server 130.236.254.17 offset -0.000927 sec |
| 02:13.51 | Bushmills | hwclock --systohc |
| 02:14.35 | lac | done |
| 02:14.39 | Bushmills | date -u |
| 02:14.55 | lac | Sun Apr 27 02:14:44 UTC 2008 |
| 02:14.59 | Bushmills | correct |
| 02:15.00 | Bushmills | date |
| 02:15.04 | lac | (which is correct, no?) |
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| 02:15.20 | lac | Sun Apr 27 04:15:08 CEST 2008 |
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| 02:15.40 | Bushmills | is CEST right for you? |
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| 02:16.12 | Bushmills | central european summer time |
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| 02:16.45 | stephen | hii |
| 02:17.09 | lac | I am used to calling what I live in Middle European Time and http://www.timezonecheck.com/ does too |
| 02:17.23 | stephen | is gnome 2.24 on etch yet? |
| 02:17.39 | lac | I think that CET is the same thing though |
| 02:17.50 | Bushmills | CET is winter time. |
| 02:18.10 | lac | aha. |
| 02:18.15 | Bushmills | CEST summer daylight saving time |
| 02:18.32 | inimino | my mouse pointers in X are all broken on powerpc |
| 02:18.45 | Bushmills | with proper time zone setting, the change is done automatically |
| 02:19.08 | Phase | How would one kill gnome/gdm properly and restart it properly? |
| 02:19.15 | Bushmills | i.e. choosing a location for time zone |
| 02:19.30 | Bushmills | phase, log out |
| 02:19.33 | inimino | Phase: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:19.44 | stephen | IS debian 2.24 in stable? |
| 02:19.46 | stephen | gnome* |
| 02:19.51 | Phase | Thanks. |
| 02:20.05 | syscle | there a way to list packages via apt-get? |
| 02:20.08 | lac | I've already used tzselect and /etc/timezone has been set to the correct city for a long time now. What else do I need to do to set the timezone properly? |
| 02:20.33 | Bushmills | that should be all |
| 02:21.00 | Bushmills | you could think of running ntp if you want your clock to stay accurate |
| 02:21.13 | Bushmills | alternatively, look at adjtimex |
| 02:21.23 | lac | Everything worked fine until it was time for daylight savings. that change never happened on my laptop. |
| 02:21.24 | Bushmills | but don;t run them both at the same time |
| 02:21.34 | inimino | lac: is CEST wrong? |
| 02:22.22 | Bushmills | lac, yeah but your clock was an hour off too |
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| 02:22.48 | Bushmills | i mean, what it thought what UTC was |
| 02:22.57 | stephen | :) |
| 02:22.59 | stephen | :D |
| 02:23.15 | stephen | GNOME 2.22 :0 |
| 02:24.15 | lac | after checking, yes CEST is correct. |
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| 02:24.26 | Bushmills | lac: did you start windows on your machine at around when time changed from CET to CEST? |
| 02:24.33 | cfreeze | indows |
| 02:24.39 | inimino | lac: ok, so everything is correct, no? |
| 02:25.09 | lac | right now the date is still wrong from date |
| 02:25.24 | Necrogami | Anyone here had any experience with Gforge and debian lenny? |
| 02:25.37 | lac | and I could have run windows. I periodically run software I am writing there to make sure it still works, |
| 02:25.58 | nvz | Necrogami: I'm willing to bet you have.. and apparently it didn't go well |
| 02:26.06 | Bushmills | lac: chances that windows changed the clock, to "correct" it for summer time |
| 02:26.12 | lac | no, ate is fine now. |
| 02:26.23 | lac | aha. |
| 02:26.51 | Necrogami | nvz, correct: I ran apt-get on it |
| 02:26.56 | Necrogami | it runs through everything decently |
| 02:27.03 | inimino | so 'date -u' is correct, but 'date' gives the right timezone but wrong time? |
| 02:27.09 | Necrogami | till it gets to gforge-ftp-proftpd |
| 02:27.12 | NekoKun | Fatal Error when installing grub O.O |
| 02:27.14 | NekoKun | What do I do? |
| 02:27.18 | Necrogami | When it stops proftpd and restarts it |
| 02:27.21 | Necrogami | proftpd hangs a |
| 02:27.25 | Necrogami | and doesn't respond |
| 02:27.46 | lac | inimino: no everything is fine now. that was my bad typing date on where I was ssh'd to a different machine |
| 02:27.59 | lac | which is in a different timezone. |
| 02:28.00 | Bushmills | inimino:no, both are right now |
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| 02:28.13 | lac | sorry about that |
| 02:28.26 | nvz | I don't know what to tell you, I never ever heard of gforge, I thought it was a typo for GeForce |
| 02:28.32 | NekoKun | damn... |
| 02:28.53 | NekoKun | it's surprise how useless is ask things here... |
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| 02:29.18 | nvz | you didn't even ask moron |
| 02:29.20 | nvz | heh |
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| 02:29.41 | inimino | lac: ok |
| 02:30.14 | nvz | even if you do ask a question with enough detail to merit an answer, you generally gotta hang around longer than 45seconds for an answer |
| 02:30.29 | lac | So, in the notes for myself -- in case this happens again next year -- the fix is to do ntpdate -b pool.ntp.org |
| 02:30.38 | lac | until the time is corrected? |
| 02:30.51 | lac | or was some of the other things I did necessary as well? |
| 02:30.52 | inimino | lac: if you install ntp it should run at all times |
| 02:31.18 | inimino | lac: nothing else was necessary excepy correct time zone settings which you already had |
| 02:31.30 | Necrogami | nvz: lol |
| 02:31.36 | inimino | s/excepy/except/ |
| 02:31.43 | Necrogami | nvz: i'm running strace now :-\ |
| 02:32.00 | lac | how can I tell if ntp is running? |
| 02:32.15 | Bushmills | lac, ntpq -c peers localhost |
| 02:32.19 | inimino | ps auwwx | grep ntp |
| 02:32.33 | lac | thank you both very much. |
| 02:32.33 | inimino | or that... |
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| 02:32.39 | Bushmills | also shows stats of server(s) it is syncing with |
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| 02:34.03 | Necrogami | how can i re debconf a package that's trying to install |
| 02:34.33 | extor | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3xOU2tLl7g <=-- Can anyone tell me what the flaws are in this lifestyle? I mean, it sounds like an infomercial but they aren't selling jack..so. |
| 02:34.53 | Bushmills | Necrogami: when it has installed, dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 02:35.33 | Necrogami | Bushmills, and if it's not fully installed |
| 02:35.39 | syscle | http://pastebin.com/m153768fd |
| 02:35.41 | Necrogami | eg it breaks while trying to install |
| 02:35.42 | syscle | any ideas? |
| 02:35.53 | lac | ok, ntp is not running. so ntpdate doesn't require a running service? |
| 02:36.09 | lac | or it started one and stopped it? |
| 02:36.33 | DavidProck1981 | !win32codecs |
| 02:36.33 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 02:36.46 | Bushmills | lac: right. ntpdate is one-shot syncing. ntp is a continuous syncing |
| 02:36.52 | DavidProck1981 | !debian-multimedia |
| 02:36.52 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 02:37.07 | lac | Bushmills: thank you. |
| 02:37.14 | Bushmills | or, ntpdate is client-only. |
| 02:37.16 | syscle | http://pastebin.com/m153768fd <--- any ideas? |
| 02:37.28 | Necrogami | Bushmills, and if it's not fully installed How might i reconfigure it then? |
| 02:37.31 | Bushmills | ntp is server too. you can run ntpdate against it |
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| 02:38.00 | Bushmills | Necrogami: what's the reason that it didn;t install? fix that. |
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| 02:38.14 | Necrogami | Bush: |
| 02:38.20 | DavidProck1981 | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 02:38.20 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 02:38.27 | Necrogami | Bushmills, proftpd hangs on starting |
| 02:38.33 | Necrogami | and won't start in standalone |
| 02:38.55 | Bushmills | why should it start when it hasn't been installed completely? |
| 02:39.17 | Necrogami | gforge-ftp-proftpd is starting it |
| 02:39.21 | Necrogami | it's already installed |
| 02:39.28 | Necrogami | it started fine from the proftpd installer |
| 02:39.35 | DavidProck1981 | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 02:39.36 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:39.42 | Bushmills | "Necrogami: Bushmills, and if it's not fully installed How might i reconfigure it then?" |
| 02:39.55 | Bushmills | it is but it isn't ? |
| 02:40.05 | DavidProck1981 | hay do i need the "-" at the end after add ? |
| 02:40.15 | Necrogami | i'm trying to rerun the gforge-ftp-proftpd |
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| 02:40.37 | Necrogami | then it reconfigures it in gforge-ftp-proftpd and when it restarts it hangs and won't get past the Starting service: proftpd |
| 02:40.48 | mbroeker | dpkg, tell syscle about confmiss |
| 02:41.45 | Bushmills | so you should be able to run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:41.58 | Necrogami | it said it couldn't find it or it was not fully installed |
| 02:42.08 | Bushmills | but editing the config in /etc/... gives you better control on settings |
| 02:42.14 | syscle | mbroeker danke |
| 02:42.48 | Bushmills | sorry i'm a bit confused about this fully installed but not quite |
| 02:43.51 | syscle | mbroeker, i ran that cmd and im still getting the same errors |
| 02:43.53 | Bushmills | take an editor, read man page of relevant config files, and set them up to your hearts delight. |
| 02:43.57 | syscle | whatif:/etc/init.d# apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache |
| 02:43.58 | CalJohn | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 02:44.20 | CalJohn | DavidProck1981: makes apt-key read from stdin |
| 02:44.27 | Necrogami | Bushmills, 2 packages proftpd and gforge-ftp-proftpd proftpd installer ran and installed proftpd fine |
| 02:45.03 | CalJohn | DavidProck1981: that is a unix wide convention, if you're wondering :) |
| 02:45.03 | Necrogami | gforge-ftp-proftpd reconfigured proftpd and when it tries to start |
| 02:45.05 | Necrogami | it just hangs |
| 02:45.35 | Bushmills | so it is a config issue. fix the config. |
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| 02:46.31 | Necrogami | i don't know how or what is wrong with the config |
| 02:46.38 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.48 | Bushmills | i eman, not what is wrong |
| 02:47.03 | Bushmills | to edit a config, use an editor, open config file./ |
| 02:47.10 | Bushmills | most are annotated. |
| 02:47.17 | Bushmills | and most have man pages |
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| 02:48.00 | Bushmills | you read a section, make up your mind whether you want that or not, and set it accordingly |
| 02:48.16 | Necrogami | well the entire document is commented out and it points to another document |
| 02:48.23 | Bushmills | when done, copy it. |
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| 02:48.39 | Bushmills | so that if gforge changes it, you still have a file with your own settings |
| 02:49.10 | ddalton | I did: tasksel install desktop then screw some stuff up and the desktop would not work. then tasksel remove desktop apt-get remove gnome* xserver* --purge then tasksel install desktop it still doesn't work... startx gives me a blank screen and gdm is missing a lib file. it can't find a lib.so file or something. any ideas? or should I reinstall debian? |
| 02:49.21 | markybob | hey all...trying to apt-get update in a chroot and getting this error. any thoughts on what it means or how i can fix it? |
| 02:49.26 | markybob | http://dpaste.com/47079/ |
| 02:49.29 | Bushmills | oyu know that config files are to set up the behaviour of programs. to modify to your taste? |
| 02:50.45 | Bushmills | if you mess up a config, just start over. or use a known relatively food config file. in /usr/share/doc/<package> you often have example configs which you can use |
| 02:50.55 | Necrogami | Right |
| 02:50.59 | Necrogami | but that doesn't help me |
| 02:51.11 | Necrogami | since when going back to the apt-get |
| 02:51.14 | Necrogami | to finish the install |
| 02:51.19 | Necrogami | it rewrites the config file |
| 02:51.22 | Necrogami | and it breaks it over again |
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| 02:51.45 | Bushmills | is that etch? lenny? |
| 02:51.49 | Necrogami | lenny |
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| 02:52.15 | Bushmills | and it is gforge causing the problem? |
| 02:52.21 | Necrogami | yes |
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| 02:52.31 | Bushmills | then uninstall gforge, |
| 02:52.39 | Bushmills | fix it or wait until somebody has fixed it |
| 02:52.39 | Necrogami | that gets me nowhere |
| 02:52.56 | Bushmills | that's probably what "testing" is all about |
| 02:54.19 | Bushmills | several things you could do |
| 02:54.39 | Bushmills | setup ftp, then write protect its config |
| 02:54.50 | Bushmills | so that gforge can't modify it even when it tries |
| 02:55.20 | Bushmills | see what it does then |
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| 02:56.02 | Bushmills | use your phantasy. be flexible |
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| 03:02.36 | wd | how do i kill a busy device even if it's not in use? |
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| 03:03.58 | Bushmills | wd, like, unmounting? |
| 03:04.12 | wd | Bushmills: yes |
| 03:04.20 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.20 | wd | umount: /media/floppy0: device is busy |
| 03:04.21 | asg2 | wd: find out what's using it (i.e, use lsof or fuser) |
| 03:04.24 | Bushmills | try -f, and -l |
| 03:04.42 | markybob | wd echo $PWD says what? |
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| 03:06.01 | ddalton | reinstalling linux, is it safe to remove the old swap and extended space or whatever the other partition is? |
| 03:06.09 | Bushmills | or, pwd for the same a bit shorter |
| 03:06.19 | ddalton | so I can start from scratch just keeping my windows partitions and recovery? |
| 03:06.26 | wd | markybob: home dir |
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| 03:06.38 | wd | Bushmills: trying now |
| 03:06.43 | Bushmills | ddalton: yes, you can remove old swap |
| 03:06.46 | prav33n | Anyone knows about a way to sync Nike+ (Apple iPod) data on Linux? |
| 03:07.25 | Bushmills | careful with extended if it contains any logical partitions which you want to keep |
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| 03:08.16 | ddalton | Bushmills>: OK, so I can boot gparted, delete all my partitions except windows and the windows recovery one so all linux ones are gone and then just do the installer again like before? then will dual boot work ok? |
| 03:08.35 | ddalton | Bushmills: sorry |
| 03:09.16 | Bushmills | ddalton: approachj would be ok. though that alone is no garanty that dual boot will work., |
| 03:09.35 | Bushmills | the depends on additional factors |
| 03:09.38 | Bushmills | that |
| 03:09.51 | ddalton | sure, it is working now though so it should shouldn't it? just after remove all linux partitions and reinstalling? |
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| 03:09.58 | ddalton | where is grub kept? |
| 03:10.29 | heroxbd | I want to convert a single MS-word file to multi-paged html files according to its logical structure. Any suggestions? |
| 03:11.04 | Bushmills | under /boot are parts, in /usr/sbin are grub utility prigrams, and some code will be copied to the boot sector. |
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| 03:11.39 | Bushmills | thus, what part are you referring to when you refer to "grub" ? |
| 03:11.48 | ddalton | ah... so if I delete all linux partitions including swap, windows will not boot, but it should after reinstalling linux? |
| 03:11.54 | lindenle | anyone know a *nice* vncviewer in debian? |
| 03:12.21 | Bushmills | tightvnc was quite ok a while ago. not sure which one is the champ now |
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| 03:12.51 | thedonvaughn | lindenle: shrugs, aptitude search vnc. there's only a handful of 'em. |
| 03:13.05 | heroxbd | Ooo, maybe I can convert it to a single HTML, and then find a "html split". Or I can convet it to TeX and edit then export to multi-html... |
| 03:13.23 | ddalton | ok thanks. |
| 03:13.26 | Bushmills | by deleting the linux partitions, master boot record will remain unaffected. partition table will change, thats just following master boot record. |
| 03:13.27 | ddalton | ill try it... |
| 03:13.28 | lindenle | thedonvaughn: yeah I dont like any of them ... :( |
| 03:14.10 | lindenle | thedonvaughn im looking at FreeNX |
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| 03:14.22 | wd | Bushmills: umount -l worked. ty. |
| 03:14.28 | Bushmills | therefore, if you can boot windows with grub now, you still should be able to without linux partitions |
| 03:14.29 | wd | ty to the others. |
| 03:15.02 | Bushmills | wd , be aware that -l only pretends that unmount succeeded |
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| 03:15.14 | wd | Bushmills: oh crap. |
| 03:15.20 | Bushmills | but it is just postponed until it can acually unmount |
| 03:15.23 | wd | Bushmills: i did mount and it's gone. |
| 03:15.42 | Bushmills | for floppies, do a few sync before removing it |
| 03:16.11 | wd | Bushmills: just do "sync" |
| 03:16.24 | Bushmills | yeah, to write any buffered data |
| 03:16.56 | Bushmills | could be that umount -l does that already. i am just not sure that it does. |
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| 03:17.54 | wd | Bushmills: actually i'm trying to install debian on a old laptop, cdrom went kaput..so i'm trying to format a floppy for the boot.img i'm hoping it will be a simple install. |
| 03:18.38 | Bushmills | it was quite easy to install from floppies a while back, at least when you had network interface too |
| 03:18.53 | Bushmills | needed 2, or 6 floppies (if extra drivers needed) |
| 03:19.14 | Bushmills | often 2 floppies were enoigh |
| 03:19.51 | wd | Bushmills: do u recall which ones? i have boot.img root.img cdrom.img 2 network.img |
| 03:19.57 | Bushmills | hard disk access and network was about all you needed |
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| 03:20.04 | Bushmills | bf2.4 was the last i used |
| 03:20.07 | Bushmills | years back |
| 03:20.33 | wd | Bushmills: http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 03:20.34 | Bushmills | pre-etch |
| 03:20.47 | wd | Bushmills: i'm going to use sarge |
| 03:22.00 | wd | Bushmills: i can't even get the darn floppy booted. heh. |
| 03:22.38 | Bushmills | shouldn;t really matter which version you put on, as you can always upgrade |
| 03:22.38 | wd | Bushmills: i mean formatted. |
| 03:22.46 | wd | Bushmills: ok |
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| 03:23.07 | Bushmills | when you can boot from hard disk, and have network, you have won |
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| 03:24.02 | wd | Bushmills: im disappointed in my main distro gentoo.. i have 3 boxes using gentoo.. but debian i have a oldworld mac/nubus and debian took the time to build kernels for that. |
| 03:24.13 | Bushmills | pity i threw away my old install image.recently. |
| 03:24.22 | wd | Bushmills: oh no. |
| 03:24.41 | Bushmills | was a preinstalled minimal system, packed into a tar |
| 03:25.10 | Bushmills | only needed a few changes, like fstab, maybe modules, and such |
| 03:25.11 | deadcat | whats the best OCR software on linux? like for scanning photos with numbers. |
| 03:25.37 | Bushmills | used it to upload to remote servers where i had ssh access to :) |
| 03:25.54 | wd | Bushmills: i'm in the process of swithching.. i'm using gentoo and debian on a p4 and i don't see a diff in speed which makes me upset at gentoo.. all these years using use flags. time wasted. |
| 03:25.56 | Bushmills | to change from another distribution to debian |
| 03:26.34 | sls | I am installing debian stable using preseed... it gets stuck on: no root partition defined... (!) and I have this in it: d-i partman/choose_partition select Finish partitioning and write changes to disk |
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| 03:26.44 | sls | any ideas anyone? |
| 03:27.00 | Bushmills | depends a lot on what cpu you have, also, what compiler version you use. results differ |
| 03:27.29 | wd | Bushmills: i'm impressed.. debian devs working to get ppc oldworld mac guys like me happy.. powerbook 1400c 32meg ram, 166mhz 2g hd.. using mklinux booter.yay. |
| 03:27.50 | Bushmills | for most programs under gentoo, i couldn;t see appreciatable differences. but a few showed huge differences |
| 03:28.36 | shingouz | wd: you do not need to format the floppies, just dd if=/path/to/image of=/dev/fd0 (or whatever your floppy device happens to be) |
| 03:29.02 | wd | Bushmills: now i'm going to raise this toshiba satellite prp to life and i see debian is recommd... debian seems to be the choice of all around.. so i'm freaking switching! |
| 03:29.07 | wd | shingouz: ok |
| 03:29.27 | Bushmills | true, but dd'ing the images wants good floppies, and formatting is a way to verify them |
| 03:29.31 | wd | shingouz: i did and got error... i'll do it again and post. |
| 03:30.17 | shingouz | wd: you need to be root to do it in the first place unless you have full access to the device as a normal user, also the floppy itself can be half dead |
| 03:30.22 | wd | shingouz: handbook:Place a good, blank floppy in the floppy drive. Next, use the command |
| 03:30.28 | Bushmills | wd, i installed debian to a 32mb machine,m 100 mhz cpu too, not too long ago |
| 03:30.29 | ootput | are any of you running the swiftweasel builds (ver 3beta*) on -amd64? |
| 03:30.48 | ootput | I can't seem to install all the prereq debs on lenny |
| 03:30.57 | wd | shingouz: ok. trying again. |
| 03:31.02 | shingouz | Bushmills: 486? |
| 03:31.03 | wd | Bushmills: good job. |
| 03:31.10 | Bushmills | used it mainly as X terminal, and sound interface to remotely running audio player :) |
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| 03:32.04 | Bushmills | was for a cafe/pub which converted to linux, offering free wlan access etc. |
| 03:32.15 | Bushmills | objective was "no new hardware" |
| 03:32.33 | poseidon | Where can I find out the contents of a debian package? Like how things are layed out, etc. Is it xml or some sort of markup language? |
| 03:32.40 | Bushmills | but that the old laptop was recycled too the owner didn't really expect, hehe |
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| 03:33.12 | Bushmills | became public terminal, at the same time audio out for ripped music |
| 03:33.38 | wd | shingouz: can i be in the dir of img file then do command? |
| 03:34.09 | shingouz | wd: yes you can. do a man dd first to see how it is done to be on the safe side, you ARE root! |
| 03:34.19 | ootput | poseidon: man 5 deb |
| 03:34.22 | wd | shingouz: now i am. |
| 03:34.41 | Bushmills | because performance was mainly determined by remote machine, where x clients run, while it looked as they run on the laptop, effect was good ... |
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| 03:34.48 | shingouz | wd: that is why i would advocate a short stint on the man-page first... |
| 03:35.24 | ootput | poseidon: ie, deb is an 'ar' archive.. test extract the data.tar.gz archive for listing of files in the package |
| 03:35.28 | shingouz | Bushmills: my main desktop is a dual P1-166 with about 1G of ram. old server ;) |
| 03:35.35 | Bushmills | especially after that machine was hardly able to do anything with win95 installed .. |
| 03:35.39 | wd | shingouz: well i be.... |
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| 03:35.54 | wd | shingouz: s# dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync |
| 03:35.54 | wd | 1440+0 records in |
| 03:35.54 | wd | 1440+0 records out |
| 03:35.54 | wd | 1474560 bytes (1.5 MB) copied, 0.00611337 seconds, 241 MB/s |
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| 03:36.12 | wd | sorry |
| 03:36.19 | wd | i thought it was three lines |
| 03:36.28 | shingouz | wd: fancy dd but looks like it works |
| 03:36.35 | wd | shingouz: ok |
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| 03:36.49 | wd | shingouz: did it format also? |
| 03:36.59 | wd | shingouz: i had files on there prior |
| 03:37.13 | lvlefisto | is the gnome 2.14 the newest binary for debian? |
| 03:37.19 | ootput | you sent it to the raw device. all existing files are wiped |
| 03:37.23 | shingouz | wd: i never bother with the frills on that one though. just a plain dd. it completely nukes whatever you have on the media beforehand |
| 03:37.25 | Bushmills | yes, dd writing data and formatting is one operation |
| 03:37.36 | simonrvn | !tell wd -about paste |
| 03:37.46 | Bushmills | you could say, the floppy is formatted with data tracks |
| 03:38.06 | wd | simonrvn: ok. np |
| 03:38.12 | wd | simonrvn: missed calc. |
| 03:38.25 | deadcat | i am trying to use OCR to get a number from a photo.. i dont know what software to use. i have a photo of a runner with a bib number "270" |
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| 03:39.35 | Bushmills | deadcat: i'm not sure whether i used clara, ocrad or gocr to toy with ocr |
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| 03:39.42 | Bushmills | i think it was gocr |
| 03:39.55 | deadcat | Bushmills: did it work? |
| 03:40.01 | Bushmills | results weren't perfect of course but acceptable. |
| 03:40.01 | lvlefisto | is the gnome 2.14 the latest binary version for debian? |
| 03:40.06 | simonrvn | gocr was the best one ime |
| 03:40.15 | deadcat | simonrvn: k. |
| 03:40.19 | Bushmills | when using good font quite good rsults |
| 03:40.21 | deadcat | simonrvn: what options you used. |
| 03:40.21 | Bushmills | results |
| 03:40.30 | simonrvn | ...and that was years ago ;) |
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| 03:40.54 | simonrvn | couldn't tell ya |
| 03:40.59 | Bushmills | same here |
| 03:41.18 | deadcat | can you guys try it out on 2 photo for me? |
| 03:41.23 | deadcat | all i get was junk |
| 03:41.46 | Bushmills | deadcat: running a filter, maybe from imagemagick first, should help |
| 03:41.52 | Bushmills | contrast enhancement for example |
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| 03:42.01 | gusnan | lvlefisto, http://packages.debian.org/gnome |
| 03:42.05 | Bushmills | very hard contrast should be fine |
| 03:42.08 | shingouz | deadcat: i am not sure but i have a feeling you would need to either clean up the photo something serious or try some machine vision software |
| 03:42.10 | simonrvn | not really, heading to bed soon. greyscale works well, and yeh contrast playing |
| 03:42.32 | deadcat | shingouz: damn. cant afford anything. )= |
| 03:42.48 | shingouz | deadcat: how about a mark 1 eyeball? |
| 03:43.15 | deadcat | shingouz: its tedious |
| 03:43.23 | shingouz | heh |
| 03:43.29 | ootput | deadcat: which scanner are u using? |
| 03:43.30 | deadcat | shingouz: thats what we are doing.. (= |
| 03:43.34 | lvlefisto | gusnan: thanks! |
| 03:43.41 | deadcat | ootput: canon rebel xt |
| 03:43.44 | shingouz | deadcat: don't i know it :D |
| 03:43.46 | deadcat | ootput: (= |
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| 03:44.38 | NekoKun | how to check for drivers updates? |
| 03:45.12 | deadcat | photos like these. http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/ocr/ |
| 03:45.38 | shingouz | NekoKun: i am not quite sure what you mean but almost all drivers are in the kernel so with a new kernel you get the new drivers |
| 03:46.10 | Bushmills | first pic looks feasable, second might be difficult |
| 03:46.23 | NekoKun | I got an EeePC and installed xfce, but it didn't recognize the 800x480 res, so, I was going to use 915resolution, but someone told me that it is outdated |
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| 03:46.51 | deadcat | Bushmills: i have bigger file size. |
| 03:47.10 | refrax | how do I start iptables on debian?> |
| 03:47.18 | shingouz | besides that looks scary. to me it looks like physical excercise |
| 03:47.30 | Bushmills | refrax: no need to start - is running already |
| 03:47.42 | Bushmills | maybe you need to load one or another module |
| 03:47.45 | refrax | Bushmills, how can I stop it then? |
| 03:47.50 | Bushmills | you don't |
| 03:47.50 | refrax | Bushmills, and start it when I want to? |
| 03:47.56 | refrax | ... |
| 03:48.10 | Bushmills | you can clear tables from rules, and set table policies |
| 03:48.20 | Bushmills | so it does nothing special |
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| 03:48.37 | refrax | ik |
| 03:48.39 | refrax | k |
| 03:48.40 | Bushmills | and you can add rules and set policies whenever it suits youi |
| 03:48.41 | shingouz | tell NekoKun about drxx |
| 03:48.48 | Bushmills | that way "activating" it |
| 03:48.48 | shingouz | !tell NekoKun about drxx |
| 03:48.51 | shingouz | bah |
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| 03:53.42 | shingouz | i think i am getting old. only 24 hours up and going and i am already tired. when i was a kid 24 hours was absolutely no problem, looks like pops need to get some sleep pretty soon |
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| 03:55.35 | Kurtism | how do I get a list of configuration options set in the running kernel? |
| 03:55.42 | Kurtism | zless /proc/??? |
| 03:56.12 | Kurtism | ?? config |
| 03:56.24 | pinto3 | that's probably a command for that, maybe check out one of those proc reading programs |
| 03:56.34 | deadcat | no luck on running OCR on those photos? |
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| 03:57.38 | Kurtism | hmmmm |
| 03:58.11 | Kurtism | /proc/config.gz |
| 03:58.40 | pinto3 | those'd be comiletime options i believe |
| 03:58.46 | pinto3 | compile* |
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| 03:59.17 | Kurtism | oh |
| 03:59.19 | Kurtism | less /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 03:59.22 | Kurtism | what about that? |
| 03:59.27 | Kurtism | are those run time options? |
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| 03:59.57 | Kurtism | say I want to compile a new kernel but I want to be sure I have all the kernel options that debian set when I installed it |
| 04:00.01 | pinto3 | i don't know all the details, but those look like configuration options for making a kernel, not runtime |
| 04:00.14 | pinto3 | yeah, that's what you'd use with make oldconfig or something i think |
| 04:00.23 | ootput | i'm getting manconv: iconv: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character as a result of /etc/cron.daily/man-db. Is this a known problem? |
| 04:00.29 | shingouz | Kurtism: zless /proc/config.gz should do the trick |
| 04:00.30 | Kurtism | basically I don't want to loose anything I currently have by mistake |
| 04:00.41 | Kurtism | shingouz: I don't have that file for some reason |
| 04:01.13 | shingouz | Kurtism: i am too lazy to check but i seem to remember you should have the config in /boot too |
| 04:01.19 | \amethyst | debian kernels don't have /proc/config.gz |
| 04:01.33 | pinto3 | weird, mine does |
| 04:02.46 | Kurtism | shingouz: less /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 04:02.49 | pinto3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.12 | shingouz | Kurtism: something in that style, yes |
| 04:03.22 | Kurtism | how do you guys get the config.gz file? |
| 04:03.27 | Kurtism | is there a debian package for that? |
| 04:03.46 | Kurtism | /proc/config.gz that is |
| 04:03.52 | \amethyst | the kernel needs to be compiled with a special option that is not enabled by default in Debian kernels |
| 04:03.53 | pinto3 | i don't know, i have the 64 bit kernel if that makes a different |
| 04:04.00 | pottytheshitter | whens etch come otu? |
| 04:04.06 | Kurtism | I'm using lenny |
| 04:04.11 | \amethyst | pottytheshitter: April 2007 |
| 04:04.36 | pottytheshitter | the next version i mean |
| 04:06.54 | PhrkOnLsh | Is there any way to get debug info out of ndiswrapper? It's not associating with my AP and its not giving me any info via dmesg |
| 04:09.07 | Kurtism | PhrkOnLsh: did you install it using module-assistant auto-install ndiswrapper ? |
| 04:09.32 | PhrkOnLsh | mhm, that's how I did it |
| 04:09.37 | Kurtism | PhrkOnLsh: if you did that then I don't know, but if you install it from source with make debug=3 you will get more debug info |
| 04:09.48 | PhrkOnLsh | it associated on a different ap and it worked a-ok |
| 04:10.02 | Kurtism | I'm haveing major problems with my wifi card right now too |
| 04:10.09 | Kurtism | it refuses to associate with my AP |
| 04:10.26 | Kurtism | it did with the 2.6.25 kernel that I used yesterday |
| 04:10.34 | Kurtism | but with this stock debian kernel it won't work |
| 04:10.37 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm running .24 from lenny |
| 04:10.46 | PhrkOnLsh | which I just upgraded |
| 04:11.02 | PhrkOnLsh | and it worked on a dlink my neighbor (sic) has but not on my linksys |
| 04:11.09 | Kurtism | so I'm thinking I'm going to have to snag my kernel config from "less /boot/config-`uname -r`" and compile a vanilla kernel |
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| 04:12.23 | PhrkOnLsh | Kurtism: was this with ndiswrapper? |
| 04:12.40 | Kurtism | yeah |
| 04:12.42 | Kurtism | I use ndiswrapper |
| 04:13.03 | Kurtism | I can't get these freaking ralink rt2860 kernel drivers to work so I had to try ndiswrapper |
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| 04:13.50 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't get rtl8185 working under kernel .24 either :( |
| 04:14.01 | Kurtism | it worked the otherday when I was using my custom 2.6.25 kernel but today when I installed the debian stock 2.6.24-1-686 kernel and ndiswrapper my wifi card refuses to connect to my AP |
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| 04:14.21 | Kurtism | I should say ndiswrapper worked the other day |
| 04:14.36 | Kurtism | I have not once been able to make those damned ralink rt2860 drivers work |
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| 04:14.50 | PhrkOnLsh | Yeah, same, except both from .24 I guess |
| 04:15.04 | PhrkOnLsh | I dist-upgraded and it grabbed an updated kernel so maybe that's the problem. |
| 04:15.19 | Kurtism | maybe |
| 04:15.29 | Kurtism | I'm going to compile a custom kernel in a bit |
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| 04:15.47 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm too much of a panzy (or newbie) to compile my own kernel :) |
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| 04:17.35 | Kurtism | I do this command to generate a duplicate of my current kernel config: |
| 04:17.35 | Kurtism | less /boot/config-`uname -r` > /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 04:18.00 | pinto3 | use cat, since less is a pager |
| 04:18.07 | Kurtism | ah yes |
| 04:18.08 | Kurtism | thanks |
| 04:18.50 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, cat :) |
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| 04:21.27 | DavidProck1981 | can someone guide me how to get 3D acellaration to work, here is what lspci say ... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80) |
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| 04:22.01 | Kurtism | I hate ati's awful drivers |
| 04:22.11 | pinto3 | lots of people have trouble with those |
| 04:22.25 | netdaemon | question for any sysadmins...is there a linux solution like active directory, where i can provide fine grained control over desktop usage, etc? |
| 04:22.26 | dpkg | for any sysadmins...is there a linux solution like active directory, where i can provide fine grained control over desktop usage, etc: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
| 04:23.01 | netdaemon | say i don't want user X any access to the terminal, can i enforce that policy on the server and have it roll down to workstations |
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| 04:28.56 | Kurtism | is there anyway of allowing root to login to xorg? |
| 04:29.01 | PhrkOnLsh | Yeah |
| 04:29.05 | PhrkOnLsh | Just don |
| 04:29.09 | PhrkOnLsh | 't use kdm |
| 04:29.17 | Kurtism | kdm keeps blocking me |
| 04:29.41 | DavidProck1981 | so can any one help me |
| 04:29.44 | wd | Bushmills: hey. i'm installing from floppy.. boot.img then root.img.. my cd-drivers/net 1/net2 drivers won't take so i skipped on through the rest of installer.. now i'm at busybox v1.13 (debian 1:1.1.1.3-4) shell (ash) what next? i need to configure wireless but i need a kernel right? |
| 04:29.44 | Kurtism | I have to login as my user |
| 04:29.49 | wd | sorry |
| 04:30.11 | pinto3 | what's your /etc/securetty say? |
| 04:30.26 | PhrkOnLsh | Kurtism: do a console login instead of kdm login |
| 04:30.38 | PhrkOnLsh | it's on the menu in kdm |
| 04:30.58 | pinto3 | or maybe the login program has root logins disabled in its config file |
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| 04:32.48 | Kurtism | yeah there must be a config file for it |
| 04:32.58 | Kurtism | I can't imagine them hard coding the root lock out |
| 04:33.04 | lilferry | I have a problem when booting debian. I've got two network cards where only one of them is connected. My system boot waste's time doing dhcpdiscover for the card that is not in use |
| 04:33.10 | Kurtism | oh well its no big deal |
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| 04:33.50 | Kurtism | lilferry: comment out the auto ethx line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:34.02 | Kurtism | or the allow-hotplug line |
| 04:34.13 | Kurtism | for the particular eth0 that's being a brat |
| 04:34.21 | up365 | DavidProck1981, have you tried in #compiz-fusion, some ATI guys there may help |
| 04:34.35 | Kurtism | nano -w /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:35.01 | Kurtism | just make sure it doesn't auto load on boot |
| 04:35.22 | DavidProck1981 | was away |
| 04:35.27 | mbroeker | I have installed cvstrac and it works now: But it shows only new commits, not the inital layout(the initial check-ins) how can i change that behaviour? |
| 04:35.34 | DavidProck1981 | ill tri that up365 |
| 04:38.07 | up365 | DavidProck1981, yeah those ATI guys there know drivers |
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| 04:39.04 | wd | is there a way to get 2.4 floppy kernel images that boot pc, let me config wireless pcmcia card to install debian on laptop? |
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| 04:45.13 | Kurtism | hey PhrkOnLsh you can recompile the ndiswrapper source code in /usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper if you go in and do a make distclean; make debug=3; make install; |
| 04:45.38 | Ryan52 | I am having issues choosing a terminal emulator (yes, I know, that sounds REALLY stupid). rxvt has trouble displaying some non-standard characters, I guess. (My mutt in a screen looks really bad, for the arrows at least). xterm steals Alt key combos. I like the way rxvt looks. Any way I could get a terminal that displays mutt's arrows, doesn't steal alt key combos, and looks like "rxvt -fg white -bg black +sb -fn 6x13"? |
| 04:46.16 | PhrkOnLsh | Kurtism: I can try... :) |
| 04:46.20 | Ryan52 | oh, ya, and aterm has a weird blinky thing |
| 04:46.30 | NekoKun | does anyone know http://slim.berlios.de/ ? |
| 04:46.58 | Ryan52 | and aterm doesnt do the arrows right |
| 04:47.20 | Kurtism | is berlios supposed to be some kind of wacky 3d linux? |
| 04:47.28 | Kurtism | wants a 3d console |
| 04:47.33 | PhrkOnLsh | where do I tag on the debug, Kurtism ? makefile? |
| 04:47.47 | Kurtism | that flys at me and I can grab cubes and do stuff that does stuff |
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| 04:48.03 | Kurtism | when you do the make command |
| 04:48.12 | Kurtism | instead of just "make" do "make debug=3" |
| 04:48.16 | PhrkOnLsh | ahhhh |
| 04:48.18 | PhrkOnLsh | doing |
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| 04:48.31 | Kurtism | you may have to do a make clean or make distclean first |
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| 04:48.52 | PhrkOnLsh | I did |
| 04:49.10 | PhrkOnLsh | make install? |
| 04:49.13 | Kurtism | yep |
| 04:49.22 | Kurtism | should copy the files over the old ones |
| 04:49.37 | PhrkOnLsh | okeedoke |
| 04:49.47 | Kurtism | I should have told you do do a modprobe -r ndiswrapper first to remove the old module from the kernel |
| 04:49.53 | PhrkOnLsh | oh well |
| 04:49.56 | PhrkOnLsh | shit |
| 04:50.01 | Kurtism | should beable to do it still |
| 04:50.09 | PhrkOnLsh | rmmod ndiswrapper |
| 04:50.10 | Kurtism | and then modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 04:50.14 | Kurtism | or rmmod |
| 04:50.59 | PhrkOnLsh | nope, nada |
| 04:51.29 | Kurtism | did it output anything to any logs |
| 04:51.40 | Kurtism | I don't remember where ndiswrapper's log file is |
| 04:51.48 | Kurtism | #ndiswrapper may know |
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| 04:52.04 | PhrkOnLsh | http://pastebin.ca/999011 |
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| 04:52.11 | PhrkOnLsh | dmesg |
| 04:52.42 | Kurtism | loaded nicely with no errors to report |
| 04:53.05 | Kurtism | that's the same shit I get too, everything loads nice but nothing associates with the accesspoint |
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| 04:53.20 | mhymn | hi, when I want to connect to internet, I use pppoeconf and when I connect to ISP it gives me an ip-address but I can't ping google or open any site :-( what should I do? |
| 04:53.24 | Kurtism | I'm using kernel 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 04:53.33 | PhrkOnLsh | same, kurtism |
| 04:54.31 | PhrkOnLsh | will .25 hit lenny any time soon? |
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| 04:54.51 | lnostdal | hi .. i've just migrated to debian from ubuntu .. much smaller and faster .. i like it .. :) .. but, i'm having some issues regarding sound .. what sound server do you guys use? .. or is there a sound server already installed by default in etch, and i just have to enable/configure it? .. i'm getting these "audio open error: Device or resource busy" messages |
| 04:55.28 | keith4__ | !alsa-one-liner |
| 04:55.29 | pinto3 | alsa's the default in etch |
| 04:55.38 | keith4__ | !alsa oneliner |
| 04:55.42 | keith4__ | sighs |
| 04:56.45 | lnostdal | yeah, ok |
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| 04:56.51 | DavidProck1981 | what is hte dpkg command to setup xorg to fglrx |
| 04:57.27 | DavidProck1981 | xord to use* fglrx |
| 04:57.31 | lnostdal | so how do i deal with these things? .. i'm not sure where i am to start .. (i'm not a totaly linux newbie btw., so i think i just need some pointers/directions) :) |
| 04:57.34 | Coweater | !fglrx one-liner |
| 04:57.34 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 04:57.57 | keith4__ | !alsa one-liner |
| 04:58.39 | keith4__ | !tell lnostdal about alsa-checklist |
| 04:59.37 | pinto3 | if it says the resource is busy, i'd guess there's something else messing with it, maybe find what that is and try running the alsaconf program |
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| 05:00.27 | lnostdal | pinto3, yes, i do have sound .. but it seems, only from one program at a time |
| 05:01.00 | pinto3 | which kind of makes sense, i've never tried multitasking sounds before except through iceweasel |
| 05:01.11 | keith4__ | what sound card? |
| 05:01.35 | DavidProck1981 | the fglrx one-liner is talking about installing linux-headers-2.6.18-6 etc... and i only have 2.6 .... no .18 part |
| 05:01.48 | Kurtism | PhrkOnLsh: no idea |
| 05:01.48 | lnostdal | intel 82801FB |
| 05:02.14 | Kurtism | PhrkOnLsh: when you do "ifdown wlan0; modprobe -r ndiswrapper" do you get a seg fault? |
| 05:02.29 | Kurtism | I get a total module segfault when I try to remove ndiswrapper |
| 05:02.36 | keith4__ | DavidProck1981: try 'apt-get install module-assistant' and then 'm-a a-i fglrx' |
| 05:02.49 | Kurtism | doesn't freeze the computer but it sure don't unload nicely |
| 05:03.04 | lnostdal | ok .. now i have sound again .. from multiple programs .. so weird |
| 05:03.15 | Guerin | solution: don't use ndiscrapper |
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| 05:03.40 | keith4__ | ndiswrapper is miserable |
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| 05:05.46 | DavidProck1981 | what is the connamd to see hte current version of my kernel im useing |
| 05:06.13 | keith4__ | uname -a |
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| 05:07.37 | nvz | uname -r actually |
| 05:07.41 | Kurtism | I have no alternative to ndiswrapper |
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| 05:08.03 | nvz | uname -a could also be correct but it could be wrong |
| 05:08.21 | nvz | in a script where you wanted just the vrsion you would use uname -r |
| 05:08.26 | keith4__ | true |
| 05:08.39 | Kurtism | I tried to get the ralink rt2826 linux drivers to work and they refused, they compile but they always say "compiled using ancient version of wireless extensions" which makes no sense at all because I have the latest version installed |
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| 05:08.59 | Kurtism | iwconfig would say that |
| 05:09.02 | DavidProck1981 | ah guess i was wrong, the installer did not say it was the 2.6.18 .... it just say 2.6 |
| 05:09.08 | nvz | of course it is, I don't make this shit up. ;) |
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| 05:09.57 | Supaplex | Kurtism: which kernel? |
| 05:09.58 | DavidProck1981 | ok on a different machine ive ran a command similer to this "dpkg reconfigure-xorg" how am i supposed to type it |
| 05:10.13 | samplr | is there a way to determine what version of gcc was used to compile my kernel? |
| 05:10.17 | keith4__ | DavidProck1981... um, in a terminal? |
| 05:10.22 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 05:10.23 | Supaplex | samplr: cat /proc/version |
| 05:10.54 | samplr | Supaplex: cool. thanks |
| 05:11.09 | nvz | DavidProck1981: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:11.16 | PhrkOnLsh | Kurtism: no, it doesn't segfault... it does a dhclient or sth |
| 05:11.22 | DavidProck1981 | ah that is it |
| 05:11.28 | nvz | DavidProck1981: don't mind keith4__, he must need to refill his coffee |
| 05:11.46 | keith4__ | close! he needs to go to bed |
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| 05:12.04 | Supaplex | !caffinate keith4__ |
| 05:12.04 | dpkg | gives keith4__ a cup of coffee |
| 05:12.42 | nvz | is in bed already |
| 05:12.56 | nvz | was suppose to fall asleep during american gangster |
| 05:12.57 | Supaplex | you pillow-commuter |
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| 05:13.22 | keith4__ | oh... wow. I looked at "dpkg reconfigure-xorg" and substituted the correct command in my head |
| 05:13.27 | keith4__ | it *must* be time for bed |
| 05:13.33 | nvz | keith4__: heh |
| 05:13.54 | Supaplex | !typosmite keith4__ |
| 05:13.54 | dpkg | makes keith4__ raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 05:13.56 | Supaplex | :) |
| 05:13.57 | nvz | keith4__: I've been on irc long enough to read my own thoughts into it before |
| 05:14.22 | keith4__ | yah... irc hallucinations are dangerous |
| 05:14.24 | Kurtism | Supaplex: 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 05:14.49 | keith4__ | first, you start confusing who said what... and then, which channel you're in... and then you start typing at irc like it's a terminal |
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| 05:15.10 | PhrkOnLsh | rm -rf / |
| 05:15.14 | PhrkOnLsh | o crap, wrong terminal |
| 05:15.22 | keith4__ | or worse, you have a conversation with a terminal instead of irc |
| 05:15.29 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.easycalculation.com/bandwidth-calculator.php and type 128 MB ... which KB conversion do i use .... im setting up hte ammount of ram for my video card |
| 05:15.31 | PhrkOnLsh | I thoguht that was ssh into my friends :( |
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| 05:15.38 | DavidProck1981 | its a 128 mb card |
| 05:16.06 | keith4__ | bandwidth calculator? ok now i'm leaving |
| 05:16.33 | DavidProck1981 | oh wrong one |
| 05:16.50 | nvz | its just nice that there are people around paying attention to make up for those falling asleep |
| 05:17.20 | Supaplex | Kurtism: I like keith4__ are lacking the caffination dept. I'd check what sources are throwing the error about wireless extensions, and try to figureout how to compare them by hand. maybe the wireless tools are older. *yawn* |
| 05:17.21 | DavidProck1981 | well any way do i need to tell it how much ram is there, is say only neep to put that if it has trouble finding, but what if it dont and i putthe corrent value |
| 05:17.28 | nvz | then you get these whiny newbies that come in here and run into someone on a low battery or that had a bad day and they storm off before things have a chance to get straight |
| 05:17.56 | Supaplex | PhrkOnLsh: why can't I ls now after typing that? |
| 05:18.27 | nvz | and thats why we get a bad wrap for support.. nobody sends beer and pizza.. or hockers for that matter... |
| 05:18.35 | nvz | they just complain, complain, complain. heh |
| 05:18.36 | DavidProck1981 | what if it does find the correct ammount of ram for the video card, but i put a carect value in any way, will it make a difference |
| 05:18.36 | PhrkOnLsh | Supaplex: It opens an ssh to "127.0.0.1" |
| 05:19.43 | Supaplex | PhrkOnLsh: so it's broken? |
| 05:19.46 | elmarian6 | hello |
| 05:19.59 | DavidProck1981 | hallo |
| 05:20.06 | PhrkOnLsh | Supaplex: no, it's good. |
| 05:20.12 | elmarian6 | has somebody done tunnel lvs with debian ? |
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| 05:20.24 | DavidProck1981 | not i |
| 05:20.28 | DavidProck1981 | later |
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| 05:20.37 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 05:20.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:20.40 | elmarian6 | do i have to patch-recompile the kernel |
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| 05:21.36 | elmarian6 | sorry if its a dumb question :S |
| 05:22.11 | Supaplex | lvs? |
| 05:22.21 | Cheikh | I need some help two days ago I accidently deleded my music folder now I recover them with photorec but it did no recover the file names is there a way I can get them back |
| 05:22.39 | Supaplex | !undelete |
| 05:22.39 | dpkg | it has been said that undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 05:23.03 | \amethyst | Cheikh: what format? do they have proper tags? |
| 05:23.15 | elmarian6 | Supaplex, yes ! |
| 05:23.36 | k-man | how can i find out what make and model i motherboard i have? ( i coundlnt see any make and model on the mb) |
| 05:24.02 | elmarian6 | k-man, lspci ? |
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| 05:24.12 | ootput | k-man: dmesg | less |
| 05:24.22 | Cheikh | yes they are mp3 files but the recover files have names like f39929168.mp3 |
| 05:24.25 | Supaplex | elmarian6: I don't know what lvs is. anyway, good night. |
| 05:25.25 | elmarian6 | k-man, if you want to gather info about your chipset and boards connected to pci bus, lspci | less |
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| 05:26.54 | stew | k-man: dmidecode |
| 05:27.17 | \amethyst | Cheikh: if they have id3 tags, you can try the package id3ren |
| 05:27.49 | enouf | k-man: as stew said, but also sometimes lshal will show you info |
| 05:27.54 | Cheikh | how do i check their ids |
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| 05:28.46 | \amethyst | Cheikh: id3 or od3tool |
| 05:28.49 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:28.51 | \amethyst | id3tool |
| 05:30.15 | k-man | i found the model number on the board |
| 05:30.23 | k-man | it was between the pci slots |
| 05:30.44 | Cheikh | i am wondering if ddrescue would recover them with their, but they files have been deleted i dont know |
| 05:30.52 | Cheikh | names |
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| 05:31.42 | enouf | tried testdisk photorec ? |
| 05:32.02 | enouf | oh, nm |
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| 05:33.37 | Cheikh | i used photorec the files are recovered but without their names |
| 05:34.29 | simonrvn | meh, a pc133 stick has bad spots :( |
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| 05:36.50 | blubberdiblub | i've got a couple of spare ones |
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| 05:39.31 | simonrvn | probably be cheaper for both of us for me to find a local source ;) |
| 05:44.02 | Dewi | anyone know how rsnapshot could be used to store two copies of the snapshot history instead of just one? |
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| 05:45.27 | sChaaa | hola |
| 05:46.36 | Kyle-H | Why? every few minutes my /var/log/messages gets a new entry like this: localhost kernel: input: Microsoft Microsoft IntelliMouse<AE> Explorer as /class/input/input179 |
| 05:47.13 | Dewi | Kyle-H: are you plugging in a Microsoft Intellimouse every few minutes? :) |
| 05:47.24 | Kyle-H | Dewi nope |
| 05:47.30 | Kyle-H | Dewi thats during normal usage |
| 05:47.33 | Dewi | Kyle-H: plugging any in ever? |
| 05:47.53 | Kyle-H | Dewi I'm using one and getting those messages every few minutes |
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| 05:48.50 | Dewi | Kyle-H: I wonder if you are seeing them when power states change |
| 05:48.57 | Dewi | Kyle-H: I wouldn't worry about it too much |
| 05:49.02 | Dewi | Kyle-H: is it wireless at all? |
| 05:49.22 | Kyle-H | Dewi My mouse is wired. But sometimes it gets "jittery" like the connection is lost and regained |
| 05:49.44 | markybob | then that's your answer |
| 05:50.03 | Dewi | Kyle-H: check your cabling, where possible |
| 05:50.07 | pinto3 | i got the same problem with my usb mouse |
| 05:50.07 | Kyle-H | markybob:. I like you! |
| 05:50.20 | pinto3 | it sucks :9( i get the same on windows though |
| 05:50.22 | Dewi | Kyle-H: occasionally I encounter a mouse with crazy aggressive power management |
| 05:50.39 | Kyle-H | Dewi is that built into the mouse? |
| 05:50.54 | Dewi | there is a cheap MS wireless mouse that goes to sleep to save battery after ~2 seconds of stillness |
| 05:51.12 | Dewi | and takes a 0.5 - 1.0 seconds to wake up |
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| 05:51.26 | Miesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.28 | Miesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.30 | markybob | tonight's lesson: dont buy ms |
| 05:51.32 | Dewi | it's the most frustrating thing I've ever used, I frankly can't believe I haven't smashed it to bits |
| 05:51.37 | Miesco_ | Is 256 still good? |
| 05:51.58 | markybob | Miesco_ it's still good. you only need more if you'll be doing shooter games |
| 05:52.05 | Kyle-H | Dewi I've used this same mouse for years - but only recently have i started having trouble |
| 05:52.06 | Miesco_ | Darn |
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| 05:52.23 | Dewi | markybob: there are other kinds of games in 3D? :P |
| 05:52.28 | Kyle-H | I'll switch ports, switch hardware see if the messages stop |
| 05:52.49 | Dewi | Kyle-H: to me it seems most likely that the cabling is starting to fail |
| 05:52.58 | Dewi | Kyle-H: either in your mouse cable or your USB port wirint |
| 05:52.59 | Dewi | g |
| 05:53.04 | Kyle-H | thanks for your help Dewi |
| 05:53.27 | sandman | Has anyone else found that using kqemu on full acceleration within qemu breaks? |
| 05:53.39 | sandman | breaks the guestOS, that is. |
| 05:54.00 | sandman | As a result, my performance is absolutely horrid. |
| 05:54.16 | markybob | sandman i suggest virtualbox instead. it's been rock solid and very fast here |
| 05:54.19 | Kyle-H | Miesco_:. Thats a good card. more memory only makes it that much better for complex rendering. Youll only need it though if you play games like Quake Wars |
| 05:54.20 | sandman | Since I'm forced to only use acceleration in standard mode. |
| 05:54.36 | sandman | markybob: That's what some folks say, but that requires that I add their respository. |
| 05:54.49 | sandman | markybob: Which isn't difficult, but then how can I be sure they'll be snappy on the security updates? |
| 05:54.55 | Miesco_ | Kyle-H: I want to play that though! |
| 05:55.11 | Miesco_ | Cause thats one of the few games I can get for linux |
| 05:55.13 | Miesco_ | Its on a laptop too |
| 05:55.14 | markybob | sandman i doubt Sun Microsystems isnt going to be responsive about security threats |
| 05:56.21 | Miesco_ | The Dell XPS M1530 only has 256MB nvidia card |
| 05:57.11 | simonrvn | "only" |
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| 05:59.13 | Miesco_ | I need a laptop that ships to canada like dell.ca, nvidia 512mb, intel core 2 duo 2.5ghz, 9 cell lithium ion, built-in webcam 2 megapixels, any suggestions? |
| 05:59.44 | Miesco_ | http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=51 There is this one, but I think its a USA site |
| 06:00.37 | Dewi | when did people start using laptops for gaming? it seems really strange to me. |
| 06:00.45 | Miesco_ | Maybe I shouldn't worry too much about gaming on my laptop |
| 06:00.54 | markybob | since they started making laptops like he just mentioned :P |
| 06:01.01 | Dewi | markybob: hehe |
| 06:01.18 | simonrvn | strikes me as rather silly |
| 06:01.32 | sandman | I always regarded gaming on a laptop as uncomfortable. |
| 06:01.33 | Miesco_ | Cause im going to College and I want a laptop |
| 06:01.56 | Dewi | sandman: I regard everything on laptops as uncomfortable, but gaming seems even more frustrating. |
| 06:01.56 | Miesco_ | I got serious gaming for my Xbox and stuff, just casual gaming for my computer |
| 06:02.06 | Dewi | actually my laptop has like a 0.5 second "lag" on all DirectInput |
| 06:02.07 | sandman | Miesco_: I suppose. Personally I would get a desktop for gaming and a cheap laptop for taking notes, in that case. If you really need the CPU power, you can just connect into your desktop machine... |
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| 06:02.53 | sandman | Dewi: Wow. That must be infuriating. |
| 06:03.12 | Dewi | sandman: yeah... and inexplicable |
| 06:03.36 | Dewi | sandman: well other than my explanation for everything that doesn't work normally on that laptop: "I guess that's how it is in Vista" |
| 06:04.24 | Dewi | I love how unseriously vista is still being treated |
| 06:04.29 | Dewi | for example, cygwin.com states |
| 06:04.41 | Dewi | "currently works with all recent, commercially released x86 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Windows, with the exception of Windows CE" |
| 06:04.59 | Kyle-H | is back with a new mouse |
| 06:05.09 | Dewi | but unless I've fallen behind the times, it doesn't really run well in vista |
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| 06:05.19 | Dewi | vista is also not mentioned in their FAQ |
| 06:05.39 | Dewi | or the FAQs of... well, 50% of open-source applications I use |
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| 06:05.41 | Miesco_ | Fine, i'll look at a desktop |
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| 06:06.57 | Kyle-H | Miesco_:. you should look at thinkpads with nvidia cards. Mine works well - although I dont play quake wars on it. (I do on home desktop though) |
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| 06:07.13 | Dewi | Miesco_: it's good to get half-decent 3d on a laptop; I just don't know how seriously you can really take laptops for gaming unless you're made of money... |
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| 06:07.25 | scriptdevil | streuner: Hey... Sid is working smoother than lenny for me :D |
| 06:07.35 | Miesco_ | Kyle-H: I looked at thinkpads, but they only have quadro nvidia cards |
| 06:07.37 | js1 | is there a way to add a search path for .so without being root. I tried LD_LIBRARY_PATH didnt work |
| 06:07.55 | Miesco_ | Hard drives are getting pretty big now a days: 1.5TB Performance RAID 0 (2 x 750GB Seagate SATA 3Gb/s 7200 RPM HDDs) |
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| 06:09.24 | Miesco_ | Holy crap I can get a good desktop for 2k |
| 06:09.51 | Miesco_ | 2.4ghz quad-core, Dual 512MB nvidia GeForce 8800GT, 750GB |
| 06:09.59 | Miesco_ | $1779 |
| 06:10.33 | Kyle-H | Miesco_:. Intel just lowered prices on processors - deals are not far behind. |
| 06:10.50 | Miesco_ | Kyle-H: What do you mean? |
| 06:11.04 | Miesco_ | You mean there's going to be deals soon? |
| 06:11.20 | Kyle-H | Miesco_:. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2286011,00.asp |
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| 06:12.31 | ootput | Kyle-H: isn't lowering price itself a deal?! |
| 06:13.01 | ootput | or is that market forces at work? |
| 06:13.10 | Kyle-H | ootput:. yes, but most computers in last weeks ads did not reflect the new prices. wait a week and the prices will drop more. |
| 06:13.14 | Miesco_ | Maybe I shouldn't even get a graphics card |
| 06:13.47 | ootput | Miesco_: yeah, they're outrageously (in a good way) priced nowadays |
| 06:13.52 | Miesco_ | Im going to wait like 4 years and get a desktop, what kind of desktop do you think I can get in 4 years for $2000 |
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| 06:14.21 | ootput | in 4 years, we'd have mind-melds to replace computers |
| 06:14.23 | Kyle-H | Miesco_:. lol, does it need to charge in your electric hybrid car? |
| 06:15.01 | Miesco_ | Kyle-H: No |
| 06:15.20 | Miesco_ | Come on, give me a guestimation |
| 06:15.39 | ootput | Kyle-H: lets not forget that in 4 years, hybrid cars will be a waste of resources |
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| 06:16.21 | ootput | assuming we don't destroy ourselves first |
| 06:16.23 | Ntemis | hello |
| 06:16.40 | markybob | Miesco_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law |
| 06:16.42 | Kyle-H | Miesco_:. in four years most new computers will run as virtual boxes. You can probably just boot your debian on your watch in another 8 years |
| 06:16.54 | Ntemis | i am on 2.6.24 kernel and i have problems with my unichrome pro card |
| 06:17.17 | Miesco_ | virtual boxes? |
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| 06:17.42 | Miesco_ | Will I be able to play Crysis in 4 years with $2k |
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| 06:17.57 | ootput | crysis III will be out |
| 06:18.02 | markybob | Miesco_ you take today's top box, quadruple it, and there you have what you'll be able to get in 4 years. so 16-cores |
| 06:18.05 | ootput | and your 2k system will struggle to play that |
| 06:18.22 | markybob | pretty simple math |
| 06:18.37 | maligor | Kyle-H, don't need a virtual system to boot debian in a watch |
| 06:18.37 | ootput | more than one core - goes against Moores law |
| 06:18.44 | Miesco_ | 2k IN 4 years with 16-cores will struggle to play crysis 3, must be some game |
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| 06:18.52 | ootput | wth was Intel thinking? Did they run out of ideas on how to improve the cpu? |
| 06:19.15 | WormFood | ootput, they couldn't get the speeds as high as the sales people claimed they could go |
| 06:19.19 | ootput | Miesco_: 14 cores used to control VR interface |
| 06:19.20 | kgoetz | Miesco_: only if it can use 16 cores |
| 06:19.23 | WormFood | what happened to our 10GHz cpus? |
| 06:19.37 | Kyle-H | Dewi:. You were right. (as was markybob). A replacement mouse fixed my errors. This is the first mouse in _20 years_ of computer usage that I've seen die without reason. |
| 06:19.47 | maligor | WormFood, yeah, I want to fry food on my cpu too |
| 06:19.52 | ootput | Kyle-H: on topic please |
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| 06:20.33 | ootput | a serious question.. of the 30K odd packages in debian repo, how many will utilise core2duo? |
| 06:20.48 | Kyle-H | ootput:. 2% |
| 06:20.50 | maligor | 30k |
| 06:20.53 | markybob | ootput that's not the point. it's not about a single package |
| 06:20.58 | markybob | it's about multithreading |
| 06:21.00 | ootput | maligor: i embellish |
| 06:21.01 | markybob | multitasking |
| 06:21.11 | markybob | being able to compile a program *and* surf the web |
| 06:21.33 | ootput | markybob: i know.. that's how i use it now.. and everything feels snappy (technical term) |
| 06:21.40 | Miesco_ | And multi core makes it not overheat as much |
| 06:21.48 | ootput | markybob: but what of those single packages? |
| 06:22.16 | markybob | ootput no one uses just a single package. most people probably have 4-8 daemons running, even if they have no idea what they are |
| 06:22.33 | WormFood | I would rather have a single core cpu running at 5GHz, than a dual core running at 2.5 GHz |
| 06:22.37 | markybob | multi-cores prevent a bottleneck |
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| 06:22.47 | maligor | WormFood, diminishing returns, man |
| 06:22.52 | markybob | WormFood then you dont know much about how computers work |
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| 06:23.10 | WormFood | not everything with SMP is faster |
| 06:23.15 | ootput | I've been conned by 'dual' sales pitch before |
| 06:23.19 | ootput | ala dual channel ram |
| 06:23.36 | Kyle-H | ootput:. the new processors work well. Try one out and you will see. |
| 06:23.36 | Miesco_ | HOLY crap, I just went up a class in the DELL XPS 1530, and instead of jacking up all the components they mostly were, and the same computer went from $2400 to $1800! |
| 06:23.36 | maligor | what's wrong with dual channel ram? |
| 06:23.41 | Miesco_ | I just found my computer |
| 06:23.52 | ootput | Kyle-H: no, i have a newish one. E6550.. I'm just instigating :) |
| 06:23.58 | Kyle-H | ootput:. lol |
| 06:24.12 | Miesco_ | wait, it went to $2k |
| 06:24.34 | maligor | ootput, I guess you mean buying a ram package that's advertised as 'dual channel ram', which is questionable marketing, you can just combine two similar chips too |
| 06:24.35 | Dewi | um |
| 06:24.38 | Dewi | almost nothing in SMP is faster |
| 06:24.41 | ootput | maligor: it didn't survive the hype |
| 06:24.43 | Kyle-H | ootput:. that processor is $160 now. |
| 06:24.45 | ootput | maligor: and now I know better |
| 06:24.48 | Miesco_ | This is perfect |
| 06:24.58 | WormFood | Dewi, it depends on what you are doing...some things are almost twice as fast |
| 06:25.26 | Dewi | WormFood: I am just shocked that people could disagree with your statement |
| 06:25.37 | WormFood | they don't understand how computers work |
| 06:25.46 | Dewi | WormFood: indeed |
| 06:25.54 | ootput | maligor: I remember ads claiming a 50% boost in mem performance |
| 06:25.57 | markybob | even syncing your ipod is faster, if the programmers did their job. gtkpod uses multiple cores beautifully |
| 06:26.05 | maligor | ootput, it does double the bandwidth |
| 06:26.06 | Kyle-H | multi core processors work best in windows, where you can have a runaway program that would normally bring the system down and it only pegs usage on one node |
| 06:26.11 | WormFood | I found a LOT of misinformation on IRC |
| 06:26.12 | Dewi | markybob: how is it ever going to be faster than a doubly clocked single core? |
| 06:26.25 | WormFood | it seems "everyone" knows everything |
| 06:26.27 | Dewi | markybob: unless your OS's CPU scheduling sucks |
| 06:26.30 | markybob | Dewi bottleneck. i/o wait |
| 06:26.37 | ootput | WormFood: that's why i love it :) |
| 06:27.00 | Kyle-H | WormFood:. question everything you hear. the more of an expert you find, the more you should ask questions. |
| 06:27.02 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it depends entirely on what you're doing. There are lots of things where SMP is faster, and quite a few things where it's slower. |
| 06:27.09 | maligor | ootput, never actually benchmarked it myself tho |
| 06:27.20 | WormFood | I do question everything...I run my own tests |
| 06:27.39 | WormFood | I love to prove people wrong |
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| 06:27.55 | WormFood | and I love it when someone can prove me wrong (because that means I can learn something new) |
| 06:28.15 | ootput | which packages for desktop use will utilise multi-core nicely ? |
| 06:28.33 | dondelelcaro | ootput: almost anything that runs multiple threads |
| 06:28.34 | maligor | most people don't really need multi-cores ofcourse |
| 06:28.35 | markybob | ootput gtkpod |
| 06:28.40 | Akatemik | Hi. I'm having so weirdness in my kernel update. For some reason grub's root is wrong, initrd's mdadm.conf is wrong and /sbin/init can't load |
| 06:28.50 | maligor | since most people just run some word processing application |
| 06:28.51 | Dewi | markybob: I guess I would have thought that buffers were big enough, switching was fast enough, that you'd never notice, especially since I'm sure bottlnecking issues in a multicore computer system are still very much present |
| 06:29.12 | WormFood | ootput, if you are running more than one app at a time, then you are using the multi-core capabilities of your cpu |
| 06:29.14 | Akatemik | I have currently "break=mount"ed into the busybox, fixed the mdadm conf but can't mount the md-device |
| 06:29.15 | markybob | Dewi of course it's still present. it's just better. |
| 06:29.47 | Akatemik | "Mounting /dev/md1 on / failed: No such file or directory" |
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| 06:30.30 | ootput | Akatemik: how drastic was the kernel change? |
| 06:30.30 | ootput | Akatemik: in terms of versioning? |
| 06:30.30 | Akatemik | Ok, I get that I should be doing the pivot_root and not mounting directly to /, but I can't get the md to mount on any directory |
| 06:30.30 | Dewi | markybob: hmm. I guess there are going to be times when you need a lot of parallelism and the context switching overheads would become significant |
| 06:30.30 | ootput | Akatemik: perhaps your device reference nodes have changed |
| 06:30.32 | Akatemik | ootput: Nothing serious, from 24-something to 24-somethingelse |
| 06:30.35 | WormFood | god damn it! fuckin' rtorrent stops downloading, saying it is low on hard drive space....I added the option to my .rtorrent.rc file, but it still stops downloading no matter what I set it to.....anyone have any ideas what I need to do to make this cocksucker download? |
| 06:30.49 | ootput | out of curiosity, do any of you participate in the folding@home project on your dual-core boxes? |
| 06:30.55 | Akatemik | I have to look later into what went wrong, but need to boot into the system first |
| 06:30.55 | Dewi | markybob: I just question what percentage of tasks can take advantage of multiple cores at this time... I'd have thought it was pretty low |
| 06:31.13 | ootput | WormFood: did you enable session handling? |
| 06:31.27 | Akatemik | The init isn't loading because it doesn't have permission (that's what the kernel panic says). But to inspect I'd need to mount my root and can't do that. Any tips? |
| 06:31.46 | Dewi | Akatemik: boot CD |
| 06:31.49 | WormFood | ootput, no, everything is at its default setting....you mean I have to tell it something else to use these options? |
| 06:31.52 | Akatemik | No optical drive |
| 06:31.59 | ootput | WormFood: there may be a signal to stop downloading because of low space, and because this signal persists regardless of where you move your download directory to |
| 06:32.00 | Dewi | Akatemik: on USB then |
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| 06:32.17 | ootput | WormFood: no, provided you used the right options :) |
| 06:32.25 | Akatemik | Just need the magical commands to get access to the root from the initrd's busybox |
| 06:32.34 | WormFood | ootput, I have about 500 meg left...I just want it to download until I have 100 meg of free space |
| 06:32.40 | Akatemik | Dewi: Sorry, no such luck, my mp3 player is broken :/ |
| 06:32.43 | ootput | WormFood: oh |
| 06:32.50 | jelly-home | Akatemik: is udev running? |
| 06:33.00 | WormFood | so I can burn it to dvd, and delete them |
| 06:33.00 | Akatemik | Getting an usbdrive / optical drive is a possibility, if I can't work with the initrd, though |
| 06:33.02 | Dewi | Akatemik: heh, I broke my first mp3 player using it as a rescue disk |
| 06:33.13 | Dewi | Akatemik: I know nothing about the initrd, sorry, it's a jungle in there |
| 06:33.16 | jelly-home | Akatemik: if it is, is /dev/md1 available? |
| 06:33.40 | Kyle-H | does anyone here have side scrolling (mouse) working in debian? |
| 06:33.51 | Dewi | Kyle-H: does anyone have it working in windows? |
| 06:34.00 | Kyle-H | Dewi:. I do :-) |
| 06:34.12 | ootput | Kyle-H: i had it working back when i had a 5-button mouse |
| 06:34.13 | Dewi | Kyle-H: it always seems so uselessly slow :) |
| 06:34.16 | WormFood | Kyle-H, then use windows :P |
| 06:34.19 | Dewi | Kyle-H: but I have a real mouse now |
| 06:34.25 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Yes and yes |
| 06:34.25 | ootput | Kyle-H: i remember following a guide.. wasn't at all complicated |
| 06:34.27 | Dewi | Kyle-H: no side scrolling foolishness :P |
| 06:34.32 | Kyle-H | WormFood:. lol |
| 06:34.39 | Akatemik | Loading the md module works and gives me the md1 |
| 06:34.48 | Akatemik | I can assemble the device, just not mount it |
| 06:34.49 | Dewi | Kyle-H: all side scrolling wheels seem to be awful at vertical scrolling anyway |
| 06:35.22 | Kyle-H | Dewi:. I agree - but I could use those scroll events for other things. |
| 06:35.23 | jelly-home | Akatemik: /proc/mdstat looks reasonable? |
| 06:35.34 | WormFood | does anyone know how to disable 'tap to click' on my touch pad, without disabling the clit mouse (trackpoint), and the middle mouse button? |
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| 06:35.45 | ootput | WormFood: can you go into the file list and disable downloading of specific files? |
| 06:35.48 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Depending on what's reasonable, nothing but the raid personality there |
| 06:35.50 | ootput | WormFood: or is it an archive? |
| 06:35.59 | Akatemik | Nothing mounted, as it should be (I'm in break=mount) |
| 06:36.04 | WormFood | ootput, yes, I can do that, but it still won't download anything |
| 06:36.11 | stew | WormFood: set MaxTapTime to 0 |
| 06:36.13 | Akatemik | Gah |
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| 06:36.28 | Akatemik | Too early morning, was confusing with mstab... |
| 06:36.29 | Rat409 | WormFood: gsynaptics or qsynaptics for gui |
| 06:36.34 | jelly-home | Akatemik: so the kernel didn't really find nor assemble your array |
| 06:36.36 | WormFood | stew, when I load synaptics driver, it disabled the clit mouse, and the middle mouse button |
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| 06:36.52 | Akatemik | Nothing like to wake to the fact that your server's broken |
| 06:36.55 | WormFood | Rat409, it disables the clit mouse, and middle mouse button |
| 06:37.09 | ootput | any of you using gift + gnutella lib? All of my downloads appear to be corrupt |
| 06:37.16 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Like I said, the mdadm.conf is wrong (wrong devices), so I have to break before mount and fix that |
| 06:37.42 | Akatemik | For some reason it lists hdc and d, when the real devices are hda and b |
| 06:37.50 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: you've probably got GuestMouseOff On; or whatever the right setting is. man synaptics; |
| 06:37.52 | blame | Does debian's apt-get have what redhat OS's have in "yum provides"? I'd like to know which package will provide missing libraries? |
| 06:37.56 | ootput | WormFood: which rtorrent option did you specify? |
| 06:38.09 | Akatemik | But I'll have to reconstruct the initrd when I'll just get to boot to the system |
| 06:38.29 | ootput | Akatemik: did you change hdd boot order in bios? |
| 06:38.35 | Akatemik | If I would exit the busybox after fixing the mdadm.conf, the boot continues fine, up until to run-init |
| 06:38.36 | WormFood | ootput, close_low_diskspace = 1 |
| 06:39.17 | Akatemik | ootput: No... but man, that isn't the main problem here now. I can get the raid devices to work, but I need to know how I could look into the file system before init runs |
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| 06:39.30 | Akatemik | But I can't use to break= options to the kernel, since only the latter is honored |
| 06:39.38 | ootput | WormFood: it mentions something about using the schedule option, too.. though I don't know how that will work |
| 06:39.42 | Akatemik | (Would be easy if break=mount,init would work) |
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| 06:39.58 | Akatemik | So I have to break at mount and work upwards from there |
| 06:40.00 | jelly-home | Akatemik: so get the devices to work first. |
| 06:40.06 | Akatemik | jelly-home: It works |
| 06:40.07 | WormFood | dondelelcaro, I never saw that option before....and of course, I read the manpage |
| 06:40.12 | Akatemik | But how can I mount the md1? |
| 06:40.23 | jelly-home | Akatemik: if it's not there in /proc/mdstat, it doesn't work |
| 06:40.32 | WormFood | I'll check that out, thanks (but I bet it still disables the middle mouse button) |
| 06:40.39 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Um, the raid personality for md1 is there |
| 06:40.47 | Akatemik | Sorry, I must've said it confusingly |
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| 06:41.44 | jelly-home | Akatemik: the personality isn't important, it just means that the relevant module is loaded. is md1 there? |
| 06:41.45 | Akatemik | "md1 : active raid1 hdb2[0] hda1[1] 2939776 blocks [2/2] [UU]" |
| 06:41.46 | WormFood | ootput, it appears you are right about that setting and the scheduler.......how the fuck do I make it not stop my downloads? this makes no sense |
| 06:41.56 | jelly-home | Akatemik: ok, so it is there. |
| 06:42.10 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Ok, so I misunderstood what exactly is meant by personality, apologies |
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| 06:43.32 | ootput | WormFood: i think you're using it in the wrong context. You must specify something like: schedule = close_low_diskspace=100M |
| 06:44.25 | ootput | so, in essence, schedule rtorrent to stop active torrents when a low diskspace condition arises |
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| 06:44.50 | WormFood | yeah, but it stops when I don't have that set....how do I 'unset' it? |
| 06:44.58 | jelly-home | Akatemik: gotcha. so take a look at what the initrd script would do next? |
| 06:45.05 | WormFood | you are right about that |
| 06:45.12 | WormFood | I just don't know how to stop it |
| 06:45.15 | ootput | set it to 1M as you did |
| 06:45.22 | Akatemik | A good advice, but what is the right script, where is it (tried looking for it)? |
| 06:45.24 | ootput | but with the schedule= prefix |
| 06:45.49 | jelly-home | Akatemik: hm, I _think_ it's in the root |
| 06:46.23 | ootput | WormFood: or comment it out, if it's already in your .rtorrentrc |
| 06:46.27 | Akatemik | Ah |
| 06:46.35 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Tried looking at the scripts -directory |
| 06:46.42 | Akatemik | but the right one is /init |
| 06:46.54 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Ok, thanks - progress finally. I'll read that and brb |
| 06:47.35 | WormFood | I don't have any scheduler enabled....just that one option |
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| 06:50.09 | Akatemik | jelly-home: It uses commands that are not found :/ |
| 06:50.49 | jelly-home | Akatemik: it also sources some files that you probably didn't source yourself in the interactive shell |
| 06:51.10 | Akatemik | It sources /scripts/${BOOT}, which is nothing since I didn't give the boot parameter |
| 06:51.19 | Akatemik | Also the script folder doesn't have much stuff |
| 06:51.39 | Akatemik | Then it runs parse_numeric ${ROOT} and mountroot, both of are unavailable |
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| 06:53.19 | Bagoor | I want to install driver of ipw3945, but there is no kernel modules in my package, something like ipw3945-modules, etc., and I only found packages : firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945d. Should I download it from http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or what ? |
| 06:53.27 | wd | installing debian on pentium laptop with only 543 meg hd.. what should my partitions scheme be? |
| 06:53.40 | jelly-home | Akatemik: mountroot is defined in scripts/local |
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| 06:54.25 | Akatemik | jelly-home: No wait, parse_numeric is in functions |
| 06:54.29 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Yeah, that too |
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| 06:54.41 | Akatemik | I was too hasty, but then started grepping every folder |
| 06:54.55 | Akatemik | (Too bad busybox's grep doesn't support -r) |
| 06:55.05 | Akatemik | So ok, sourcing those |
| 06:56.14 | Akatemik | Beatiful |
| 06:56.44 | Akatemik | Ok... I don't get it |
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| 06:56.55 | Akatemik | The init has all executable permissions on |
| 06:56.58 | Bagoor | wd, only 543 mb of HardDisk ? |
| 06:57.39 | wd | Bagoor: yep... toshiba satellite pro 400cs.. http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 06:57.53 | Bagoor | wd, so just make an / |
| 06:58.30 | wd | Bagoor: oh crap i'm doin 500 / and 43 swap.. ok i'll change. |
| 06:58.42 | Bagoor | wd, that's fine |
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| 06:58.51 | Bagoor | wd, you can have 43 as swap |
| 06:59.13 | wd | Bagoor: ok |
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| 07:00.03 | wd | Bagoor: crap there's no swap for the mount point for 43mg |
| 07:00.28 | Bagoor | wd, what's your mean ? |
| 07:00.40 | Bagoor | wd, you can have swap with any size |
| 07:01.12 | wd | Bagoor: i'm in the mount point menu and no choice for swap. |
| 07:01.30 | Akatemik | And still "run-init /sbin/init: Permission denied".. |
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| 07:01.33 | ootput | for those of you using more than one core, have you considered using irqbalance? |
| 07:01.35 | Bagoor | wd, change the type to Swap |
| 07:01.39 | wd | Bagoor: just /, /boot, /home, /tmp, /usr |
| 07:01.42 | wd | Bagoor: ok |
| 07:01.46 | Bagoor | wd, where you set EXT3, etc. |
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| 07:03.16 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 07:03.16 | dpkg | ati is, like, For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd> |
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| 07:03.44 | wd | Bagoor: ok i have #1 primary 501.7mb B f ext3 / and #2 primary 41.1MB f swap swap.. is ok? |
| 07:03.55 | Bagoor | wd, yes, that's fine |
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| 07:04.42 | wd | Bagoor: did u get link and read? i think i screwed up by getting etch.. article said they used woody then sarge. |
| 07:04.48 | wd | Bagoor: yep... toshiba satellite pro 400cs.. http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 07:05.17 | Bagoor | wd, I guess Sarge would be the better choice for you |
| 07:05.21 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:05.29 | Akatemik | Right... I tried to disable selinux, because I couldn't find anything wrong in normal permissions |
| 07:05.38 | Akatemik | Now, I get a segfaulting init |
| 07:06.31 | Akatemik | Time to run memtest |
| 07:06.46 | Akatemik | (If nobody has a better idea...) |
| 07:07.31 | pinto3 | i heard getting rid of selinux can be a horror story for some distro's, not sure why you'd get a segrault |
| 07:07.51 | Akatemik | MAybe should try enforcing=0 too, then |
| 07:08.07 | Akatemik | I don't really know much about selinux, so I'm on open waters here :/ |
| 07:08.17 | wd | Bagoor: darn. well i went to debian site i386 to get images for floppy because cdrm failed.. and it's 2.6 where could i have found the 2.4 floppy images and woody? had a hard time finding. |
| 07:08.54 | Bagoor | wd, wait |
| 07:09.01 | Akatemik | If that fails, then I'll try booting from one drive only, without the raid... Getting a bit desperate here |
| 07:09.10 | jelly-home | Akatemik: instead of booting it right away, consider just chrooting to your device, fixing mdadm.conf and updating the initramfs image |
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| 07:09.26 | Akatemik | The fs seemed to be ok, though, so don't really believe that disabling the raid would help |
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| 07:10.00 | Akatemik | jelly-home: From the initrd? |
| 07:10.09 | jelly-home | Akatemik: yes |
| 07:10.14 | Akatemik | Good idea, thanks |
| 07:10.18 | Bagoor | wd, where are you living ? |
| 07:10.27 | Akatemik | I'll do that after finishing one pass of the memtest, since I began now |
| 07:10.32 | wd | Bagoor: us |
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| 07:10.56 | jelly-home | Akatemik: well, either from initrd or from a livecd. I'm not sure that initrd has a chroot command |
| 07:11.13 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Still don't have that optical drive :/ |
| 07:11.23 | jelly-home | ah |
| 07:11.45 | Akatemik | Nor a working usb memory. Fixing the mp3-player has been on my todo list for a year *sigh* |
| 07:13.25 | Akatemik | jelly-home: Trust me, while this is a learning experience, if I ware to able to boot knoppix, that would've been the first thing to do :) |
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| 07:13.37 | Akatemik | were, even |
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| 07:14.41 | Akatemik | I sure hope that I don't have to reinstall the machine, I have sentimental feelings towards it (it's my first debian install that I made on my own) |
| 07:14.59 | ootput | WormFood: did u figure it out? |
| 07:15.07 | ootput | WormFood: I'm close to my hdd's max too :( |
| 07:15.18 | wd | Bagoor: i'm wondering if i would have found woody *.img it would have installed woody and my partition setup wouldn't have spit out "hd maybe to low to install" |
| 07:16.07 | wd | Bagoor: article calls for woody, but i couldn't find it. |
| 07:16.19 | Bagoor | wd, I'm just looking for the woody |
| 07:16.57 | wd | Bagoor: ok. did u see article.. what's that bf2.4? |
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| 07:17.35 | Akatemik | Hm, I remember seeing "No /selinux found" at some earlier boots. I wonder if that has anything to do with this... |
| 07:17.44 | WormFood | ootput, no, I'm not working on that right now....chatting with friends, and trying to stop pidgin from crashing |
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| 07:19.31 | Bagoor | wd, it's a type of kernel |
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| 07:21.08 | wd | Bagoor: ah. he used the 2.4 kernel with woody and 2.6 with sarge. ok. |
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| 07:21.59 | wd | Bagoor: his cdrom worked mine doesn't so i had to use the boot.img root.img. network.img 1 & 2 got wireless card going and here i am. |
| 07:23.03 | wd | Bagoor: but the img's are 2.6 which will be bulky and etch probly need more hd space. crap. we'll see. |
| 07:23.44 | Bagoor | wd, forget Etch |
| 07:24.03 | Bagoor | wd, You should work with Sarge or Woody |
| 07:24.12 | wd | Bagoor: rats. |
| 07:24.18 | Bagoor | wd, You can also try something like DSL which is using 2.4 kernel |
| 07:24.52 | wd | Bagoor: ok. we'll i'm at the installing base system now.. haha |
| 07:25.10 | Bagoor | wd, great ! which one ? Woody or Sarge ? |
| 07:25.24 | wd | Bagoor: no etch. |
| 07:27.31 | wd | Bagoor: see in article he used 2.4 woody / 2.6.8 sarge.. woody still avail? |
| 07:27.51 | wd | Baloo: it's probly zippier too huh than sarge ? |
| 07:27.54 | dondelelcaro | it is, but you shouldn't use it. |
| 07:27.58 | dondelelcaro | likewise for sarge. |
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| 07:28.35 | Akatemik | Ok, nothing found on first pass of memtest. Let's see if initrd can chroot |
| 07:28.50 | wd | dondelelcaro: what likewise for sarge? why? i mean this is an OLD laptop. http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 07:29.36 | wd | dondelelcaro: 547 hd, 40meg ram. what do u recommd? |
| 07:30.37 | wd | i figure if i can get debian sarge on a old world mac /ppc 32mg ram 166mhz this would be a great personal achievment. |
| 07:31.33 | wd | Baloo: i was thinking .. oh crap.. 500mg won't be enough for etch base huh? that's why the guy used woody? |
| 07:31.43 | wd | Baloo: ooops sorry |
| 07:32.13 | wd | dondelelcaro: i was thinking .. oh crap.. 500mg won't be enough for etch base huh? that's why the guy used woody? |
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| 07:32.33 | Akatemik | jelly-home, pinto3: chrooting segfaults... |
| 07:32.42 | Bagoor | wd, sorry, I get out of battery |
| 07:32.47 | wd | Bagoor: i was thinking .. oh crap.. 500mg won't be enough for etch base huh? that's why the guy used woody? |
| 07:33.04 | valdyn | wd: he probably used woody because he did the installation in 2004 |
| 07:33.09 | valdyn | wd: or earlier |
| 07:33.29 | Bagoor | wd, I have same idea as valdyn |
| 07:33.56 | pinto3 | no clue akatemik, i never studied selinux at all, if it helps, only causes of segfaults i know of are acessing virtual addresses not mapped to physical addresses, or trying to modify a read only address |
| 07:34.16 | wd | valdyn: gotcha. you guys are great. i'm trying to leave gentoo... and i'm seeing that all this USE flags aren't making my boxes fast. |
| 07:34.18 | pinto3 | so i wouldn't worry right away about your ram being bad |
| 07:34.29 | wd | valdyn: compared to my debian box.. heh |
| 07:34.58 | Bagoor | wd, you can even compile your packages in Debian using apt-build, but it's not really necessary |
| 07:35.09 | valdyn | wd: i would use etch and trim it down where possible |
| 07:35.26 | wd | Bagoor: i'm reading that now. |
| 07:35.30 | wd | valdyn: ok |
| 07:35.52 | venger | wd: you could always debootstrap etch, it should fit |
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| 07:36.08 | wd | guys i have the debian bible by steve hunger... see some of us noobs are serious. lol |
| 07:36.32 | wd | venger: you lost me.. sorry. |
| 07:37.02 | wd | venger: debootstrap.. take away compiling tools? |
| 07:37.06 | dondelelcaro | wd: uh... you can fit etch into 500M |
| 07:37.25 | Bagoor | wd, it's a tool in Debian to install the base of debian |
| 07:37.26 | wd | dondelelcaro: darnit i better kill install now.. i'm at 26% haha |
| 07:37.39 | Bagoor | !debootstrap |
| 07:37.39 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 07:37.55 | wd | oh |
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| 07:38.57 | venger | wd: instead of getting source, compiling all that jazz, you can just boot a knoppix cd and debootstrap any release |
| 07:39.29 | wd | venger: yea but my cdrom has failed today. |
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| 07:39.55 | wd | venger: so i'm getting floppy *img's and using network. |
| 07:40.26 | sesom | !sonata |
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| 07:40.46 | pinto3 | akatemik: you might want to try out #debian on irc.oftc.{net,org} too, there might be someone there who's not here that can help you out |
| 07:41.15 | Akatemik | pinto3: Thanks, I'll do that |
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| 07:44.33 | n0mad | hi/bye |
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| 07:51.52 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 07:53.22 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with apt-get: http://pastebin.com/m384e3453 |
| 07:57.01 | markybob | Mazingaro apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install john |
| 07:57.11 | Mazingaro | markybob: won't work |
| 07:57.28 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 07:57.28 | pinto3 | did you try the recommendations? '--fix-missing' |
| 07:57.28 | dpkg | [doesnt work] Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 07:57.30 | Mazingaro | markybob: but I have fixed it: |
| 07:58.01 | Mazingaro | markybob: apt-build adds a strange line in sources.list |
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| 08:09.44 | YeTr2 | ... |
| 08:09.53 | YeTr2 | no nvidia-kernel-source for amd64 .... |
| 08:11.01 | markybob | YeTr2 wrong. http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 08:11.29 | YeTr2 | markybob: so, I have to upgrade to unstable for nvidia stuffs? |
| 08:12.14 | markybob | YeTr2 for resent stuff, yes. it's not in testing |
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| 08:13.12 | YeTr2 | should I still keep lenny in my sources.list if I'm going for sid? |
| 08:13.21 | markybob | no need |
| 08:13.39 | YeTr2 | and I take it there is no 'security' updates for sid either? |
| 08:13.54 | Bagoor | I'm using iwlwifi in Debian Lenny, but my network manager can't find any network. And I get this message in syslog: NetworkManager: <WARN> request_and_convert_scan_results(): card took too much time scanning. Get a better one. |
| 08:13.54 | markybob | right |
| 08:15.01 | streuner | !security |
| 08:15.01 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ends March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 08:15.59 | YeTr2 | !unstable security |
| 08:15.59 | dpkg | i guess unstable security is partial and unreliable, or http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing |
| 08:16.08 | streuner | dpkg, security =~ s/ends/ended/ |
| 08:16.08 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
| 08:16.38 | liable | Bagoor: you might want to try disabling HW scanning. have a look in dmesg to see if it mentions anything about scanning when the module was loaded. |
| 08:17.40 | Bagoor | liable, dmesg: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
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| 08:19.46 | Kasreyn | i have my monitor connected with DVI-DVI. if i draw a 1x1 pixel line in gimp the neighbouring pixels are grayed making it blurry! is the nvidia driver somehow using VGA? how can i force it to use DFP? |
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| 08:20.44 | YeTr2 | Kasreyn: yes it is possible. in the driver section, Option ConnectedMonitor... check it out |
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| 08:22.30 | Kasreyn | YeTr2: i've tried using those.. is there any way I can check in Xorg.log it actually uses DFP? I can see it says "Setting VGA for screen 0". I suppose it should not say that ? |
| 08:23.48 | YeTr2 | Kasreyn: silly question, what type of cable is connecting the monitor to the PC? |
| 08:23.57 | Kasreyn | DVI cable ofcourse |
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| 08:25.19 | YeTr2 | Kasreyn: maybe check with the nvidia-settings |
| 08:25.25 | Kasreyn | a 1x1 pixel line in windows doesn't look blurry |
| 08:25.32 | Kasreyn | on the same computer |
| 08:25.55 | venger | or the NVIDIA driver readme shows a lots of good xorg settings |
| 08:25.55 | markybob | your gimp settings are probably just wrong |
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| 08:26.19 | markybob | gimp uses blurred instead of sharp by default |
| 08:26.28 | markybob | you select what you want |
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| 08:26.51 | markybob | go visit #gimp for help |
| 08:26.55 | Kasreyn | hehe |
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| 08:27.34 | Kasreyn | nvidia-settings say i have DFP-0 connected with Dual DVI link |
| 08:27.50 | Kasreyn | so it should be correct right? |
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| 08:27.54 | markybob | it's not nvidia, it's not x. it's gimp |
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| 08:28.33 | Kasreyn | well ok. gimp is stupid then |
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| 08:28.55 | markybob | so are you if you keep asking gimp questions in #debian. go to #gimp |
| 08:29.14 | YeTr2 | not stupid, it is just doing what it is told. |
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| 08:32.10 | Kasreyn | i don't think this is the case |
| 08:32.35 | Kasreyn | i will save a bmp of 1x1 pixel line and compare |
| 08:33.05 | markybob | it doesnt matter what format you save it as. |
| 08:33.07 | markybob | sigh |
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| 08:33.21 | YeTr2 | bmp, gif or png. |
| 08:34.36 | Kasreyn | i will open it in windows on the same computer. if gimp blurs it out the same effect should be visible on windows |
| 08:35.03 | markybob | sure, whatever you say. |
| 08:35.08 | markybob | you ask for help and then dont listen |
| 08:35.14 | markybob | i dont know why you bother |
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| 08:37.27 | YeTr2 | wouldn't it have been easier to draw a 1px line, then zoom in 1600% to see if it was the brush or the rendering? |
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| 08:39.15 | Kasreyn | hehe yeah sure YeTr2 |
| 08:39.26 | Nethox | Zooming in an image in a viewer can make it looks blurry because of rescaling algorithms such as bilinear and bicubic |
| 08:39.38 | Kasreyn | well i opened it in windows. it's well defined there |
| 08:39.44 | Dewi | Kasreyn: how can 1 pixel look blurry? |
| 08:39.55 | Dewi | Kasreyn: if it's blurry it's not a pixel? |
| 08:39.56 | Nethox | The windows viewer will blurry the image |
| 08:39.59 | Kasreyn | that's what I'm trying to find out Dewi :) |
| 08:40.13 | Kasreyn | Nethox: no it didn't.. |
| 08:40.17 | Dewi | Kasreyn: if individual pixels are blurry you need your monitor or eyes checked |
| 08:40.46 | Kasreyn | i know what i see ok |
| 08:40.46 | xingu | Kasreyn: what does nvidia-settings -q=GPUScaling say? |
| 08:41.02 | Nethox | Kasreyn: are you viewing it at native resolution or zoomed in? |
| 08:41.25 | Kasreyn | "Attribute 'GPUScaling' (Prometheus:0.0; display device: DFP-0): 2,1." |
| 08:41.46 | Dewi | Kasreyn: are you using an LCD screen? |
| 08:41.50 | Kasreyn | well i want to view it native |
| 08:41.53 | Kasreyn | Dewi: yes |
| 08:42.00 | YeTr2 | If the PC is prometheus, that would make the user bob? |
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| 08:42.15 | Dewi | Kasreyn: a single LCD pixel cannot really be blurry |
| 08:42.30 | Dewi | Kasreyn: I think you need to explain in more detail what you mean by a "blurry pixel" because it's basically a contradiction in terms |
| 08:42.33 | xingu | Kasreyn: go into nvidia-settings and try disabling gpu scaling on that display; also check your antialisaing settings while you're about it. |
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| 08:42.44 | Kasreyn | xingu: ok thanks :) |
| 08:42.57 | Dewi | Kasreyn: it honestly sounds like you have your LCD at the wrong resolution so scaling is being applied |
| 08:43.12 | Kasreyn | xingu: PERFECT! |
| 08:43.30 | xingu | Kasreyn: I always preferred epimetheus to prometheus :) |
| 08:43.31 | Kasreyn | i unchecked "Force Full GPU scaling" .. now things look MUCH better |
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| 08:43.46 | Dewi | xingu: why would X UI elements be subject to scaling? |
| 08:43.48 | xingu | Kasreyn: what this tells us both is that your current res. is not the panel's native res |
| 08:44.07 | Dewi | aah. |
| 08:44.18 | Kasreyn | really? it should be. i have 1024x768 native.. i think.. |
| 08:44.20 | xingu | Dewi: ... *lightbulb* :) |
| 08:44.34 | xingu | Kasreyn: that's not what the edid is telling the driver |
| 08:44.54 | Dewi | xingu: I've always left such things up to my monitor |
| 08:44.57 | Kasreyn | xingu: how do i find out what it is telling the driver? |
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| 08:45.15 | xingu | Kasreyn: just eyeball again on the display's settings page in nvidia-settings |
| 08:45.17 | Dewi | Kasreyn: how old/large is your LCD? |
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| 08:45.29 | xingu | Kasreyn: right there as "native resolution" under flat panel info |
| 08:45.32 | Dewi | 1024x768 is getting small by today's standards |
| 08:45.45 | Kasreyn | Dewi: 26" Philips 26PFxx.. rather old by todays standards |
| 08:45.58 | Dewi | Kasreyn: 26" !! |
| 08:46.02 | xingu | 1024x768 is _really_ weeny for a 26" DVI panel |
| 08:46.02 | Dewi | Kasreyn: those are some big pixels |
| 08:46.09 | Kasreyn | hehe yup |
| 08:46.13 | Kasreyn | dotmatrix ftw |
| 08:47.24 | Dewi | Kasreyn: isn't that widescreen? |
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| 08:47.42 | Dewi | Kasreyn: those would be very elongated pixels as well... |
| 08:47.55 | Kasreyn | that's the weird thing Dewi. it supports "PC resolutions" |
| 08:48.00 | Dewi | Kasreyn: according to this page |
| 08:48.01 | Dewi | http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000UVUC0M/shoppingco0a3-21/ref=nosim |
| 08:48.09 | Dewi | "High-definition LCD WXGA display, 1366 x 768p" |
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| 08:48.45 | xingu | Kasreyn: the only thing which is contextually relevant is what the edid advertises; and as I said that's there in the panel properties page in nvidia-settings |
| 08:48.48 | Dewi | (and using a television as a computer monitor, I'm not surprised if you get some blurring) |
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| 08:49.19 | Kasreyn | it's an 26PF9946 |
| 08:49.27 | Dewi | xingu: what if the hardware is in some kind of emulation mode because it's actually a TV? |
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| 08:49.43 | xingu | Dewi: that'll be another degree of unexplored bungitude |
| 08:49.49 | Dewi | grins. |
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| 08:50.23 | xingu | hates gpu scaling with a passion |
| 08:50.35 | Dewi | xingu: monitor scaling used to be much worse :) |
| 08:50.38 | Kasreyn | this manual says it's 1280x768p |
| 08:50.41 | xingu | lvds panels do it anyway natively and usually do a better job |
| 08:50.42 | Dewi | xingu: thankfully most modern LCDs have half-decent filtering |
| 08:51.03 | Dewi | Kasreyn: you will always get blurriness unless you run it at that |
| 08:51.07 | xingu | Dewi: precisely |
| 08:51.09 | Dewi | (to some degree) |
| 08:51.25 | Dewi | (but different filtering methods produce different grades of blur) |
| 08:51.30 | Nethox | LCD scaling usually implies more input lag, and always blurring |
| 08:51.39 | Kasreyn | no i think 1280x768 is just the highest resolution it supports. native is actually 1024x768 because that always looks sharper |
| 08:51.55 | Dewi | Kasreyn: on a widescreen device that is *exceedingly* unlikely |
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| 08:52.02 | Dewi | karsten: but I guess it's possible |
| 08:52.07 | Kasreyn | you know TVs downscale just because they have to support the HD definition bullshit |
| 08:52.15 | Dewi | Kasreyn: also running at a non-native resolution looks less sharp, always |
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| 08:52.43 | Dewi | Kasreyn: yeah a lot of them do, but generally to 1280x720 or so |
| 08:52.49 | xingu | google says that the panel's native res is 1366x768 |
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| 08:53.05 | Kasreyn | that's kind of an odd resolution |
| 08:53.08 | Nethox | It's the common resolution for HD ready TVs |
| 08:53.10 | xingu | whether or not it permits a _dvi_-connected device to use it is open to interpretation |
| 08:53.17 | Kasreyn | donno how i would get that to work in xorg.conf |
| 08:53.18 | Nethox | At least in Europe |
| 08:53.20 | xingu | I bet it'd let a hdmi connected device use it |
| 08:53.34 | Dewi | oh, the pain |
| 08:53.45 | xingu | Kasreyn: if you have default nvidia settings in xorg.conf - just pick the res from the appropriate nvidia-settings page |
| 08:53.52 | Dewi | the moral of the story is: don't blame The GIMP if you use a television as a monitor |
| 08:54.03 | Kasreyn | Dewi: lol |
| 08:54.09 | Dewi | it makes Dewi grumpy :) |
| 08:54.09 | Kasreyn | it looks fine now |
| 08:54.24 | markybob | i dont understand why you'd blame the gimp when *everything* was blurry |
| 08:54.29 | markybob | that's just ridiculous |
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| 08:55.10 | Kasreyn | haha. I was just doing a comparison ok ;) |
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| 08:55.37 | Kasreyn | i am NOT blaming gimp. i loves the gimp |
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| 08:56.32 | Nethox | Kasreyn: Instead of expanding with scaling blurring, you can check if your TV can run at 1024x768 at the native resolution by centering the image |
| 08:56.47 | xingu | right, so the real problem with that unit is that the edid it has burned in is quite pessimistic; the dvi input (or "pc input" in philips-consumer-flat-panel-tv-speak) only advertises 1024x768 and on some models the on-menu prompts even claim this as "native" res. |
| 08:57.33 | xingu | but the panel itself is higher; so you'd need to tweak a custom edid to get there from here and in any case there's no guarentees that the monitor end will support the required mode clocks |
| 08:57.58 | xingu | in all likelyhood it passes the dvi-input _into_ a high-def upscaler |
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| 08:58.05 | xingu | and that's where your problems start |
| 08:58.06 | Kasreyn | xingu: ok. that.. sucks? |
| 08:58.30 | Kasreyn | i've been happy using this monitor in 1024x768 tho |
| 08:58.43 | xingu | sounds good, the upscaler is probably a good one at that res |
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| 08:58.58 | Dewi | Kasreyn: some monitors have a setting to disable internal scaling and just centre the unscaled input |
| 08:59.05 | xingu | it's easy enough to find out what modes the monitor claims - they'll turn up in your pick list in nvidia-settings |
| 08:59.13 | Dewi | karsten: of course at 1024x768 this will result in a rather small squareish image in the middle of your widescreen |
| 08:59.22 | xingu | if you want to bypass an upscaler, the reliable way to do this I've found is to use hdmi |
| 08:59.39 | Dewi | xingu: hdmi? reliable? |
| 08:59.45 | Dewi | xingu: that's not what I've heard :) |
| 08:59.57 | Kasreyn | ah yes you are right |
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| 09:00.19 | Kasreyn | i did "GPU Scaling Method" Centered. and now i have a small square image |
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| 09:00.45 | xingu | right, so the edid _is_ advertising something >1024x768 |
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| 09:01.16 | xingu | just pick the higher res for instant karma |
| 09:01.17 | Kasreyn | nvidia-settings says native = 1280x1024 |
| 09:01.24 | xingu | there you go :) |
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| 09:02.29 | slept | how can I get 8139too into debug mode, do I have to recompile the kernel or is there an other way to do this ? |
| 09:02.37 | xingu | the nvidia tools do kind of work quite well in scenarios like this, I must admit; a bit less obtuse than achieving the same result via xrandr/xorg.conf |
| 09:02.59 | xingu | in other scenarios they suck the big one |
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| 09:03.48 | Nethox | Does the nvidia driver supports RandR 1.2? |
| 09:03.51 | Kasreyn | well the thing is this computer is brand new. new GPU, new drivers. i didn't touch nvidia-settings at all on my previous setup. it worked fine without doing any changes |
| 09:04.00 | xingu | Nethox: not yet afaik |
| 09:04.55 | xingu | Kasreyn: there's all sorts of crazy interactions with different gpu revisons and different driver revisions, it's a real swamp |
| 09:05.27 | xingu | Kasreyn: I only bothered diving into it because I needed to convince my notebook's tv-output to work and was on the verge of percussive maintenance |
| 09:06.02 | Nethox | Is there some way to change the xrandr maximum screen resolution without editing xorg.conf? |
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| 09:06.09 | xingu | Kasreyn: just to add insult to injury, if you shape your questions poorly google will turn up a right old cargo cult of answers |
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| 09:07.00 | Kasreyn | hehe xingu. try to google for X fonts |
| 09:07.04 | xingu | Nethox: it retains the modes that survive xorg's modeline acceptance/rejection - see Xorg.0.log |
| 09:07.09 | Lester_ | todos ustedes me maman la verga |
| 09:07.10 | xingu | Kasreyn: been there done that |
| 09:07.26 | xingu | !es |
| 09:07.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 09:10.01 | Nethox | xingu: the problem is when you want to setup more than one monitor without cloning the image, the screen maximum size make its impossible |
| 09:10.29 | Dewi | xingu: current linux doco seems to become harder to google for every year... |
| 09:10.35 | Dewi | xingu: it's going to become a real problem soon |
| 09:10.38 | Nethox | So It need xorg.conf editing and not just on-the-fly settings |
| 09:10.45 | xingu | Nethox: hence xrandr1.2, hence why nvidia aren't ready to adopt it wholesale (in scenarios like that their proprietary twinview delivers better results) |
| 09:11.31 | Nethox | xingu: I am talking about intel and radeonhd drivers, I have not tried it with the nvidia one |
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| 09:12.02 | xingu | Nethox: xrandr/ xinerama struggle with different geometries and non-uniform tiling requirements; it's a moving target, and the user req. is always one step beyond what is currently delivered |
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| 09:12.25 | xingu | Nethox: things get really interesting when you want to disassociate a GL core from any given panel in particular |
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| 09:13.11 | xingu | Nethox: just be happy that xrandr1.1 and xinerama permit you to bind multiple screens of uniform geometry and deal with that reasonably well |
| 09:13.29 | xingu | Nethox: I've had skin in the game since before that was possible, and believe me, you kids have never had it so easy |
| 09:14.09 | Dewi | xingu: as somebody who uses two monitors and adds a projector into the mix on the fly most days... all I can say is that windows has provided this for years and it's a shame the GPU manufacturers are such idiots |
| 09:14.39 | xingu | Dewi: the binding between 2d unit and 3d unit and framebuffer and display panel are just far too tight |
| 09:14.54 | Nethox | xingu: xrandr works quite well now, at least with Intel, it's just the maximum default screen resolution and some xorg.conf ignored configs (after migrating to the new xorg.conf format) what doesn't make it perfect |
| 09:15.00 | xingu | Dewi: it's getting better; but things like panel hotplug/ hot unplug are pushing the limits. |
| 09:15.26 | Dewi | Nethox: I wish it was in VNC; it sucks having to remote at 1024x768 (and even that is too tall on widescreen laptops) |
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| 09:16.12 | Kasreyn | nvidia-settings is trying to fool me. one moment there is a slider for "sharpness", i touch it and it's gone. |
| 09:16.21 | Dewi | Nethox: also everything tends to work okay with intel - aren't they significantly more open than the big players? |
| 09:16.31 | Dewi | Nethox: (except when it comes to wifi of course) |
| 09:16.41 | xingu | Dewi: try this on; maybe you want to have your SLI 3d accelerators dedicated to a viewport which is windowed and straddling the upper and lower left of a 2x2 videowall - the remaining windowed contexts are 2d+fsaa-only, and each panel has different geometry, depth, and resolution |
| 09:17.04 | Nethox | Dewi: yes, but even Intel driver isn't perfect. I hope Intel releases a PCIe graphics card this year |
| 09:17.17 | Dewi | Nethox: do they seriously not have one? |
| 09:17.22 | xingu | Dewi: we'll get there in the end, now that people are actually taking the problem-space seriously |
| 09:17.33 | Dewi | Nethox: I've been pretty unimpressed with intel performance and compatibility |
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| 09:17.42 | Nethox | Dewi: no, but they are supposed to, and I am waiting for it :) |
| 09:17.53 | Dewi | Nethox: even ATI which are slightly more loved in here than nvidia, produce software that I think absolutely sucks |
| 09:17.58 | xingu | s/resolution/refresh rate/ |
| 09:18.07 | Nethox | Dewi: performance is not good, but compatibility is quite good |
| 09:18.35 | Dewi | Nethox: even in windows my brother has to run resident hack tools to stop games from breaking |
| 09:18.46 | Dewi | (with intel video on a laptop) |
| 09:19.09 | markybob | intel at least has free drivers. yes, all their crap is embedded and not dedicated, but for 2d work (which is what most people do), it's pretty ok |
| 09:19.14 | xingu | until intel get more stream processors into their silicon nothing they do is interesting to me |
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| 09:20.06 | Kasreyn | i try to use the 1280x1024 resolution, it's supposed to be native but I think it looks blurry |
| 09:20.26 | xingu | it's good that they're going a few rounds to get the kinks worked out of their architecture, but they're not even remotely close to being interesting out in the real world yet |
| 09:20.26 | wd | aterm is set in my .Xdefaults but it's not responding, using fluxbox, is there another file? |
| 09:20.39 | Nenillo | hi, I'm trying to reconfigure xserver with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but I only get questions about mouse and keyboard. I need monitor settings too |
| 09:20.45 | Nethox | Dewi: old ones didn't supported things like DX9 and DX10, so many games can't be played on them |
| 09:20.57 | Nethox | s/supported/support/ |
| 09:21.11 | Dewi | Kasreyn: if the LCD in the display is 13-- whatever pixels it will always look at least a bit blurry |
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| 09:21.23 | Dewi | Kasreyn: unless you can find a way to feed exactly that into it |
| 09:21.32 | xingu | Kasreyn: that figures; as I said I bet your dvi input is being fed into a HD-video upscaler; and _it_ has probably marked the 1024x768 res as being preferred in the EDID because of its own signal bandwidth limitations |
| 09:21.42 | xingu | Kasreyn: that's a guess, but it's an educated one |
| 09:21.46 | spacix | hey, for some strange reason I need to set a password on a screen session for myself (someone who's on it) |
| 09:21.49 | spacix | is that possible? |
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| 09:22.09 | Dewi | Nenillo: maybe your priority is too high |
| 09:22.17 | xingu | Kasreyn: the next experiment is to try and bypass the upscaler; and the way to do that is to try the hdmi input (from a native hdmi card, not a dvi->hdmi "converter") |
| 09:22.20 | Kasreyn | xingu: the docs say the monitor is 1280x768 tho, not 1280x1024 |
| 09:22.22 | Nenillo | what priority? |
| 09:22.29 | Dewi | Nenillo: but the man page seems to indicate it should ask you "low" by default. hmm. |
| 09:22.43 | Nethox | Nenillo: the debconf priority, try dpkg-reconfigure -p low |
| 09:22.45 | Dewi | karsten: 1280x1024 is a 4:3 resolution so it shouldn't be that |
| 09:22.51 | Kasreyn | no can do xingu. my monitor is DVI only |
| 09:22.54 | Dewi | (roughly) |
| 09:23.22 | xingu | Kasreyn: does your gpu have a dvi-d connector? |
| 09:23.28 | Kasreyn | xingu: yes |
| 09:23.35 | Nenillo | I got the same, Dewi |
| 09:23.36 | Kasreyn | this is a DVI to DVI situation |
| 09:24.11 | Dewi | Nenillo: yeah that should be default anyway. What's wrong with your monitor settings? |
| 09:24.21 | xingu | Kasreyn: all dvi is not created alike; there's dvi-a, which will be having an _additional_ layer of braindamage (analogue->digital sampling stage) |
| 09:24.39 | Nenillo | I changed it and I want to change xserver settings about resolution and refresh |
| 09:24.53 | Nenillo | well, maybe I have to do it manually... |
| 09:24.59 | Nethox | Most graphics cards use DVI-I connectors (analog + digital) |
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| 09:25.44 | xingu | Kasreyn: check your connectors and sockets against http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI |
| 09:25.59 | xingu | Kasreyn: ideally, use a dvi-d dual link cable if you can |
| 09:26.02 | Kasreyn | well yeah but i think i'm using DVI-D |
| 09:26.20 | Kasreyn | says dual link in nvidia-settings so |
| 09:26.48 | xingu | Kasreyn: dvi-i opens up the exciting possibility of the panel-end of the cable picking incorrectly (and yes some really do) |
| 09:27.11 | Kasreyn | hah |
| 09:27.29 | Kasreyn | i have no idea why they felt like they had to include analog in DVI |
| 09:27.45 | Dewi | Kasreyn: because lots of monitors didn't support it for ages |
| 09:27.58 | xingu | Kasreyn: minimise the cost of redesign of existing framebuffers |
| 09:28.03 | Dewi | Kasreyn: it makes me cry when I see the LCDs at work, with the little gap where the DVI in should be |
| 09:28.06 | wd | just did etch install on and final reboot now it stalls on kernel "savedefault" |
| 09:28.54 | Kasreyn | LCDs without DVI or HDMI input. yeah that's messed up |
| 09:29.12 | xingu | Dewi: if you're being sold a new panel, its vendor only cares about maximising market window; which means systemic bias is in favour of encompassing more framebuffer types if you're already taken the cost of supporting analogue video on board |
| 09:29.42 | xingu | the irony being that a panel with no upscaler and no analogue support is cheaper |
| 09:29.47 | xingu | and cooler/ lower power |
| 09:29.54 | Dewi | does anyone know the correct way to build debian live CD in etch? |
| 09:30.00 | Dewi | the tools seem to be only available in lenny |
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| 09:30.11 | Dewi | how messed up will it be if I use the previous set of tools? |
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| 09:30.33 | Dewi | oh it's in BPO |
| 09:30.37 | xingu | Kasreyn: it's dead simple to take an existing component-out framebuffer design and fit a dvi-a connector to it |
| 09:30.39 | Dewi | I'll use that |
| 09:30.55 | spacix | hey, for some strange reason I need to set a password on a screen session for myself (someone who's on it) |
| 09:30.58 | xingu | Kasreyn: no new engineering cycle required; just change the connector type, done. |
| 09:30.58 | spacix | is that possible? |
| 09:31.07 | Dewi | spacix: you mean when you lock it? |
| 09:31.43 | Kasreyn | ok i see your point. but this is all on the device that outputs video. why strip the port from devices that does input? |
| 09:32.11 | Dewi | Kasreyn: to fill the market, probably |
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| 09:32.38 | Kasreyn | i can read your words Dewi without understanding them :) |
| 09:33.00 | Dewi | Kasreyn: well there was a time when low-end Intel CPUs were the same as high-end but with 1 bit flipped so optimisations were disabled |
| 09:33.15 | xingu | Kasreyn: that makes no sense at all :) it'll save some tiny cost per unit for the related connector and buffers etc. |
| 09:33.50 | Dewi | Kasreyn: manufacturers want to sell expensive items to people with money, and sell worse items to people with less money, and they will artificially create that distinction when it doesn't need to exist |
| 09:34.22 | Dewi | Kasreyn: it's annoying but it's not really wrong; the advanced features cost more to develop after all |
| 09:34.24 | Kasreyn | i think manufacturers needs more BALLS so they can tell their customers why they want something that is marginally more expensive |
| 09:34.31 | xingu | that sounds like a reasonable interpretation; low-cost unit to gain market share/ places on best-buy tables |
| 09:34.57 | xingu | without cannibalising sales at the mid- and high end |
| 09:35.32 | Dewi | it's best to just avoid being the fool buying the crippled product, IMO |
| 09:35.41 | xingu | it'd also be a way to get the first run up out of a new facility |
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| 09:36.03 | Dewi | the "MX" and "GS" cheap nvidia cards always seem suspiciously unbalanced |
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| 09:36.16 | Dewi | specs similar to their normal-priced cousins, but they really don't perform well |
| 09:36.22 | xingu | once the tooling is all set, if the market really was there at the outset, add in the digital stage for the next generation |
| 09:36.24 | spacix | Dewi: yes |
| 09:36.32 | Kasreyn | thank god i'm not in marketing. |
| 09:36.43 | spacix | so i can't retach again without filling in a pass |
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| 09:37.38 | Dewi | spacix: re-attach or unlock? |
| 09:37.51 | spacix | screen -r |
| 09:37.56 | xingu | Dewi: the GS ones are sometimes crossovers from the mobile families; they can be quite useful for their thermal characteristics |
| 09:38.13 | xingu | Dewi: MX is admittedly invariably a waste of space |
| 09:38.19 | Dewi | spacix: hmm |
| 09:38.23 | Kasreyn | because if I was thinking about buying a new LCD. why would i get something that sucks? i might not get the highest end but atleast i would get something that makes sense |
| 09:38.33 | Dewi | spacix: sounds like you have an 'acladd' option in effect or similar |
| 09:38.38 | Dewi | spacix: check your .screenrc |
| 09:38.50 | Dewi | spacix: also check /etc/screenrc |
| 09:39.02 | xingu | Kasreyn: you'd have entirely different priorities if you were buying a few 10,000 of them to outfit a new airport terminal |
| 09:39.04 | Dewi | spacix: is this a machine you run? it shouldn't behave as you are describing by default |
| 09:39.05 | Kasreyn | if i pay for a new LCD in the first place 50$ more or less is not an issue |
| 09:39.22 | Nethox | Kasreyn: every LCD panel type has issues: TN, *VA and *IPS |
| 09:39.28 | xingu | Kasreyn: and if you were tooling a new plant, you'd want to secure a few large-volume orders, first. |
| 09:39.33 | Dewi | xingu: hah |
| 09:39.38 | Kasreyn | xingu: ah yes i see your point. but isn't that called OEM ? ;) |
| 09:39.48 | Dewi | xingu: you don't have to be buying mass quantities to be fooled by cheap shite |
| 09:39.55 | xingu | grins |
| 09:39.59 | spacix | Dewi: thanks |
| 09:40.05 | Dewi | xingu: surely we've all had that boss or relative... :) |
| 09:40.20 | xingu | Dewi: you misspelt "colleague" |
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| 09:41.41 | Kasreyn | in my lawbook it's a crime to sell LCDs without atleast DVI |
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| 09:41.47 | xingu | Kasreyn: for what it's worth we've had rather good luck at work by _carefully_ buying the samsung panels (the gee-whizz ones with mmc/sd-card readers and all that shite) |
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| 09:42.20 | xingu | Kasreyn: hdmi 2.0, 1080p are good things to look for on the TV side of the equation |
| 09:42.53 | xingu | Kasreyn: but even in the samsung ranges there's trips and traps for the unwary, you do have to learn to read a spec sheet and reconsider a purchase many many times over |
| 09:43.27 | xingu | Kasreyn: it helps we've found to get several tech pairs of eyeballs to review them _after_ the first person to spot them has had a detailed look |
| 09:43.48 | xingu | Kasreyn: because there's always something not quite right, and that's vendor-irrespective |
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| 09:45.00 | Kasreyn | hugs his ole CRT tv |
| 09:45.01 | Nethox | wow, my usb host controller has died |
| 09:45.07 | xingu | Kasreyn: a while ago the rule of thumb was that all panels <32" were just crap (no 1080p) - it's the modern-day equivalent of neutering a panel by only permitting VGA+DVI-A input |
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| 09:45.52 | xingu | Kasreyn: we litereally bought 32" screens for applications where 15.4" would have been just fine for that reason alone |
| 09:45.55 | Kasreyn | 720p is fine tho |
| 09:46.42 | xingu | not for PC applications - 720p means badness in the vertical dimension |
| 09:46.58 | Kasreyn | unless you are in the weird spot where 720p is not supported by 1080 is :P |
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| 09:47.35 | xingu | it's ok if you're watching telly, but it's a bit crap if you're wanting to put a detailed alarm screen up |
| 09:47.37 | Nethox | HD ready TVs aren't 720p native, so It's not ok |
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| 09:48.10 | xingu | exactly; usual story is 720p + 1080i which is just shite. |
| 09:48.26 | capiira_ | hi anyone know if there is a way to edit order the unencryption of drives on boot ? |
| 09:49.06 | xingu | on the down side 32" screens really suck up the power (and pump out the heat) |
| 09:49.31 | xingu | ever seen what happens when badly made drywall melts with a 32" panel nailed to it? |
| 09:49.34 | capiira_ | i would like to let root unencrypt first then swap to make swap use a file as key. but now swap is set to become unencrypted first and i need to type a password twice |
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| 09:49.52 | capiira_ | for swap and then root |
| 09:49.57 | Dewi | oh, great. My ISP's debian security mirror hasn't been updated since May 2007 |
| 09:50.06 | Dewi | no wonder I'm not getting bugged to upgrade much |
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| 09:50.44 | Kasreyn | now what's this "digital vibrance" business |
| 09:50.52 | Kasreyn | should I use it? |
| 09:50.56 | xingu | Kasreyn: bends the colour gamut |
| 09:51.12 | xingu | Kasreyn: if you need to colour match to pantone or whatever, yes |
| 09:51.18 | Dewi | Kasreyn: sounds like a filter to up the saturation (but with some smarts) |
| 09:51.53 | Dewi | xingu: haha |
| 09:51.57 | xingu | Kasreyn: it also depends on which gpu you have; if it's pre-gf4x then it'll be done in software |
| 09:51.57 | Dewi | xingu: no I haven't seen that |
| 09:52.10 | xingu | Kasreyn: which is obviously a bad thing. :) |
| 09:52.24 | Kasreyn | i have a GF8800GT |
| 09:52.30 | Dewi | xingu: but I have seen a university department spend a lot of money on a big hanging plasma screen, only to discover plasma burn-in *does* exist when you display your logo for a few weeks.... |
| 09:53.08 | xingu | Kasreyn: no problems then on the performance front, there's silicon dedicated to it there. |
| 09:53.19 | xingu | Dewi: *laugh* |
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| 09:54.45 | xingu | Dewi: sure does; again a colleague with more dollars than sense killed a very very nice plasma setup back in the day by going away on holidays with the "no signal" OSD showing. |
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| 09:55.13 | Nethox | ouch |
| 09:55.16 | xingu | Dewi: was completely screwed when he finally got back about six weeks later (he was on holidays then travelling for work) |
| 09:55.32 | drwx | hi what is the current kernel in lenny? |
| 09:55.38 | Bushmills | smarter screen move them around slowly |
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| 09:55.47 | xingu | Dewi: nice grey "no signal" ghost over the top of everything afterward |
| 09:56.38 | xingu | smarter screens have a timer that blanks the OSD then powersaves the plasma if there's no signal |
| 09:56.49 | xingu | this one didn't :) |
| 09:57.05 | drwx | I hope the final kernel for lenny will not be 2.6.24 |
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| 09:57.14 | Bushmills | natural selection |
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| 09:57.25 | Nethox | xingu: a moving OSD menu is another solution |
| 09:57.55 | xingu | turning things off when they're not being used is another good solution |
| 09:58.02 | xingu | chews fewer watts, too |
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| 09:58.25 | Bushmills | plasma was never able to drop its rep of being heavy noisy and expensive |
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| 09:58.49 | drwx | please do you know what is the current kernel in lenny? |
| 09:59.12 | streuner | drwx: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:59.19 | streuner | 2.6.24, IIRC |
| 09:59.19 | xingu | !pdo |
| 09:59.20 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:59.32 | drwx | is it the final kernel |
| 09:59.40 | streuner | no |
| 09:59.51 | streuner | 2.6.25, but its not actually even in unstable... |
| 10:00.05 | streuner | drwx: why? |
| 10:00.09 | Kasreyn | TVs are stupid like that. why don't they enter powersave instead of showing that stupid blue picture |
| 10:00.38 | drwx | that will be a good thing because 2.6.24 has a lot of problem with wifi card (B43 B43legacy) |
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| 10:01.27 | drwx | it's the curent kernel in ubuntu hardy... and it dont work with a lot of bcm43xx based card |
| 10:01.27 | streuner | drwx: use the config file of 2.6.24 and just comile .25... |
| 10:01.34 | Dewi | xingu: I had a colleague with more money than sense who bought a huge plasma at a time when the rest of us just went "shrug. We prefer LCD". I believe he also managed to burn his plasma in somehow |
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| 10:01.47 | drwx | streuner form kernel.org |
| 10:01.51 | drwx | ? |
| 10:01.51 | streuner | yes |
| 10:02.04 | streuner | drwx: read newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 10:02.04 | Dewi | xingu: what's with the crazy dither-cycling macroblock things on all but the highest end plasma? |
| 10:02.19 | Dewi | xingu: to my eyes they look absolutely dreadful |
| 10:02.31 | streuner | !listvals newbiedoc |
| 10:02.32 | xingu | drwx: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6 |
| 10:02.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'newbiedoc' by value (14): newbie_guide ;; burning cds under woody ;; finding docs ;; make-kpgk ;; kernel compile ;; make-kpkg-tutorial ;; make oldconfig ;; linux compile ;; kernel-package ;; cdrw ;; burning cds under debian ;; newbiedoc ;; grounding ;; htod. |
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| 10:03.26 | streuner | drwx: just get the source and use make-kpkg, all stuff is mentioned in newbiedoc.sf.net ... |
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| 10:03.43 | xingu | Dewi: dunno, I don't play much with plasma - too hot and too heavy for anything I need to do (did I mention about the drywall that turned into sliced cheese?) |
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| 10:04.24 | xingu | Dewi: in fact as a rule I don't play with displays much at all, beyond the occasional oar in when it's time to spec up a new requirement |
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| 10:04.30 | Dewi | xingu: it looked like those early colour LCDs which would cycle through colours (a temporal dither) to compensate for poor colour depth |
| 10:04.43 | xingu | heh, sounds evil |
| 10:04.44 | Dewi | xingu: to my eyes most plasmas, apart from the very most expensive, look like they are doing this |
| 10:04.57 | Dewi | xingu: it's a lot more noticeable than that DLP artifact |
| 10:05.09 | et | it's not "early" |
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| 10:05.33 | et | that's still pretty common (dithering) |
| 10:05.49 | drwx | streuner, ok thank you very much, I will try it. but I really hope to dont see the 2.6.24 in the final release of lenny. a lot of wifi card user will not be happy |
| 10:05.56 | Nethox | Even some *VA panels now use 6 bits + dithering, like TN ones |
| 10:06.04 | drwx | :-D |
| 10:06.15 | Dewi | et: well apple got sued over it recently I seem to remember |
| 10:06.24 | Dewi | et: but personally I haven't noticed it staring at LCDs recently |
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| 10:06.41 | streuner | drwx: good luck |
| 10:06.48 | xingu | streuner: fyi the iwl/ipw situation in 2.6.24 is less-than-idea for i3945 too :) |
| 10:07.00 | xingu | s/idea/ideal/ |
| 10:07.27 | Nethox | Are ipw2100/ipw2200 drivers going to be ported to mac80211? |
| 10:07.28 | xingu | or am I thinking 2.6.23, hmm, looks like I am |
| 10:07.35 | xingu | delete that from the record your honour |
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| 10:07.46 | liable | Nethox: noone working on them yet |
| 10:07.47 | streuner | xingu: that's an issue for d-i people, they decide what kernel they use in d-i |
| 10:07.48 | Dewi | streuner: why was it removed from default kernel configuration? |
| 10:08.20 | streuner | Dewi: no idea, iam not part of debian-kernel team, you should ask them -> #debian-kernel (OFTC) |
| 10:08.28 | Nethox | liable: and probably never, then |
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| 10:08.31 | Dewi | streuner: good idea |
| 10:09.11 | Dewi | streuner: it doesn't exist at present |
| 10:09.24 | Dewi | oh wait |
| 10:09.38 | xingu | Nethox: they're pretty obsolete... :) |
| 10:09.40 | Dewi | I think I joined freenode twice |
| 10:09.42 | streuner | #debian-kernel 65 2.6.{18,24} etch update | 2.6.25 sid | | snapshots: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel{-maint} | http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianKernel | http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 10:10.02 | streuner | OFTC, of course |
| 10:10.04 | xingu | Nethox: that's roughly like asking for ne2k to have NAPI support added ;) |
| 10:10.17 | Nethox | xingu: well, just 3+ years old |
| 10:10.37 | xingu | Nethox: exactly, have you not noticed what's been going on in rf-comms for the last 3y? :) |
| 10:10.43 | xingu | it's a bloody revolution :) |
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| 10:11.05 | xingu | early adopters get burned, you need to drum that one in |
| 10:11.29 | xingu | only viable strategy for an early adopter is build, sell, take the cash, and run |
| 10:11.58 | xingu | (there was choice at the time - hostap was always a far better stack than ipw2k) |
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| 10:12.53 | Nethox | I think 5 years is more reasonable for a product life cycle than just 3 |
| 10:14.15 | jelly-home | not for a hw vendor |
| 10:15.22 | xingu | and definitely not in an emerging market |
| 10:15.43 | Dewi | I like to get paid every fortnight, let alone every 3 or 5 years |
| 10:16.13 | Nethox | Then I'll buy a wifi adaptor every month... |
| 10:16.45 | Dewi | wifi hasn't even started yet |
| 10:16.49 | Dewi | as far as I'm concerned |
| 10:17.08 | Dewi | it's too difficult to find a NIC/AP pair that will communicate robustly |
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| 10:18.08 | Dewi | slaps a google-style "beta" sticker on it |
| 10:18.35 | xingu | Nethox: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=fhhgcf%24hl5%242%40ger.gmane.org&forum_name=ipw2100-devel <-- horse's mouth. |
| 10:18.35 | Nethox | atheros with madwifi-ng is quite reliable if you not play with VAPs |
| 10:18.37 | xingu | Nethox: computer^whorse says "no" |
| 10:19.23 | Nethox | xingu: I am not worried because mac80211 API is backward compatible, but It would be cool to use the new features |
| 10:19.34 | xingu | Dewi: damn straight; what you're waiting for is AP's that are 1/ gigabit 2/ 802.11N draft 2.0 3/ dualband |
| 10:20.21 | xingu | Dewi: they'll be out soonish, I think de-link has just rushed theirs out the door quite recently |
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| 10:21.08 | xingu | Dewi: last crop of problems were that the designs were all jumped-up wireless-b designs and didn't really have the oomph at >2-3Mpps |
| 10:21.28 | Dewi | xingu: I haven't used them much in linux |
| 10:21.41 | Dewi | xingu: but in windows all the drivers take the interface down on the shortest of dropouts |
| 10:21.42 | xingu | Dewi: that, as they say, is a fixed problem now; broadcom is looking like first cab off the rank at the chipset end, I'm sure the surviving crew will be along shortly too |
| 10:21.44 | Nethox | It's ridiculous that many 802.11n draft2.0 still don't have a GbE port |
| 10:21.46 | Dewi | xingu: and those are so frequent |
| 10:21.55 | Nethox | *APs |
| 10:21.55 | Dewi | xingu: sockets just break all the time |
| 10:22.06 | XTZGZoReX | I have a file named #startservers# in my home directory. How do I get rid of it? It won't go away by a normal rm -rf. |
| 10:22.07 | Dewi | xingu: I'd probably be happy if the timeouts were just longer |
| 10:22.22 | xingu | Dewi: indeed; but again that's usually because the AP design is just an old wireless-b design revved a bit harder |
| 10:22.36 | xingu | Dewi: there's a _refresh_ going on there at the moment, and that's what I'm talking about |
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| 10:23.02 | xingu | Dewi: faster controllers, more capable radio chipsets, better abstractions/ design in terms of which is doing what and when. |
| 10:23.18 | Nethox | Well, WiFi will not be a secure protocol until 802.11w get released |
| 10:23.27 | xingu | Dewi: as a consumer, look for those three features - if it has all that (draft 2 mandates wpa2) then it'll be a good'un. |
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| 10:23.48 | xingu | Dewi: wpa2 is nontrivial at 10Mpps+ |
| 10:23.52 | Ramraid | If my mouse can cut and paste in a firefox but not a terminal, Is that mouse configuration or a bug? |
| 10:23.57 | Dewi | xingu: as an aside, is WPA and WPA2 nonfree in debian? |
| 10:24.06 | liable | its free |
| 10:24.09 | Dewi | xingu: openbsd only got it finished like last week |
| 10:24.25 | PerfDave | Dewi: WPA and WPA2 are free, drivers for cards which support it are not necessarily so :) |
| 10:24.33 | Dewi | liable: I wonder if there were NDAs... |
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| 10:24.37 | vjoe | hey |
| 10:24.54 | xingu | Dewi: as liable says, all seems to be main/free ? |
| 10:25.03 | Dewi | thanks. I haven't looked lately |
| 10:25.09 | liable | Dewi: wpasupplicant looks after it, of course if the hardware driver supports it. |
| 10:25.12 | Nethox | Dewi: wpasupplicant works well with both them |
| 10:25.49 | Dewi | anyone know where the list of non-free in core debian is? |
| 10:25.56 | Dewi | reading discussions about Gobuntu |
| 10:26.01 | Dewi | everyone seems to have conflicting information |
| 10:26.40 | markybob | debian removed non-free |
| 10:26.43 | Nethox | Ramraid: do you mean a terminal-emulator window? |
| 10:26.56 | liable | markybob: eh? |
| 10:27.03 | liable | markybob: you mean non-us? |
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| 10:27.10 | Ramraid | yes cant cut and paste with xterm or aterm |
| 10:27.15 | XTZGZoReX | Anyone knows how to delete #files# - with hashmarks in the name? |
| 10:27.18 | markybob | liable yes, my bad |
| 10:27.27 | et | XTZGZoReX: rm '#file#' |
| 10:27.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ramraid: No, you can't cut and paste between applications |
| 10:27.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | in xterm or aterm |
| 10:27.37 | Dewi | XTZGZoReX: or backslash the bad characters |
| 10:27.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | Select something, it gets copied |
| 10:27.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | Third button pastes |
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| 10:28.04 | XTZGZoReX | Dewi: rm -rf \#somefiles\#? |
| 10:28.09 | Nethox | Ramraid: The X11 clipboard should work with mouse buttons, but not with programs like firefox that use GTK clipboard |
| 10:28.12 | broadcaster | i found, that /usr/sbin/anacron links to /bin/true, which is executable. therefore a line like 2 7 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) will NEVER be excuted by cron. is this the desired standard behaviour? |
| 10:28.13 | maligor | isn't there xsupplicant also for wpa auth |
| 10:28.20 | Dewi | Ramraid: if you want the firefox-style clipboarding use something like gnome-terminal |
| 10:28.32 | Dewi | Ramraid: as Blast_Hardcheese, xterm uses an older system |
| 10:28.36 | Nethox | Ramraid: but you can install a clipboard manager to synchronize both |
| 10:28.37 | Dewi | +says |
| 10:29.16 | broadcaster | i mean: EITHER anacron is installed, then the line doesn't do anything. OR anacron is not installed, but links to /bin/true. then the line doesn't do anything either. |
| 10:29.18 | Nethox | I use xfce4-clipman-plugin |
| 10:29.38 | broadcaster | i found this on all debian systems i manage |
| 10:29.45 | Nethox | But I don't really like it |
| 10:29.48 | Ramraid | ok thanks i will google how to do that |
| 10:30.00 | Dewi | broadcaster: ? |
| 10:30.05 | Dewi | broadcaster: when does that line run anacron? |
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| 10:31.06 | Dewi | broadcaster: I don't know what it does either, but to me it looks like it tests for anacron, and uses an alternative if it is not found |
| 10:31.06 | PerfDave | Dewi: AFAIK there is no non-free stuff in core Debian. The FSF don't like Debian because they provide an optional non-free repository. |
| 10:31.06 | broadcaster | Dewi: it doesn't, it checks for executable flag and existance |
| 10:31.19 | broadcaster | Dewi: no, it does not use the alternative |
| 10:31.30 | broadcaster | test -x /usr/sbin/anacron returns true |
| 10:31.42 | Dewi | broadcaster: well my anacron isn't linked to /bin/true |
| 10:31.47 | broadcaster | therefore || (or-operation) prevents the rest of the line from beeing executed |
| 10:31.48 | Dewi | broadcaster: are you sure it's meant to be? |
| 10:32.01 | broadcaster | Dewi: as i said, i found this everywhere (debian testing) |
| 10:32.09 | PerfDave | broadcaster: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 10:32.20 | Dewi | broadcaster: you didn't say it was testing |
| 10:32.30 | Dewi | broadcaster: I haven't used lenny yet |
| 10:32.39 | broadcaster | !dpkg BTS |
| 10:32.39 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 10:32.48 | Dewi | broadcaster: but will -x return true on a symlink? |
| 10:32.53 | broadcaster | Dewi: yes |
| 10:33.13 | xingu | Dewi: http://www.dlink.com/products/resource.asp?pid=663&rid=2650&sec=0 <-- not sure what chipset it is, but the spec sheet ticks all the right boxes |
| 10:33.17 | extor | Do the little job assignements on wht for sys admin help pay decent? Anyone done any from there? |
| 10:33.17 | dpkg | does the little job assignements on wht for sys admin help pay decent? Anyone done any from there |
| 10:33.43 | xingu | Dewi: tempted to buy one myself actually :) |
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| 10:36.05 | broadcaster | here is something that comes at least close to the issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323710 |
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| 10:37.39 | Dewi | broadcaster: I wonder what is creating that symlink |
| 10:37.58 | broadcaster | me too |
| 10:38.10 | broadcaster | i already did apt-ger --purge remove anacron |
| 10:38.21 | Dewi | broadcaster: did you have anacron installed previous? |
| 10:38.25 | Dewi | +ly |
| 10:39.26 | broadcaster | erm... i don't remember... i change all my systems to fcron anyway, that's why i have not noticed this earlier |
| 10:39.33 | broadcaster | just found one host without fcron... |
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| 10:40.13 | broadcaster | i guess, if the installer as it in the list, it is installed initially and then removed by me later whenever i set up a system |
| 10:41.16 | extor | looks at dpkg |
| 10:41.27 | Dewi | broadcaster: it's not in the base system but it could be in something you tasksel |
| 10:41.43 | Dewi | broadcaster: I tend to skip tasksel so I don't get anything like that... |
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| 10:42.48 | Dewi | broadcaster: sounds like the uninstall might have a bug if you had it installed previously |
| 10:42.59 | dutchfish | what symlink you are talking about? |
| 10:43.15 | Dewi | dutchfish: /usr/sbin/anacron => /bin/true |
| 10:43.18 | broadcaster | /usr/sbin/anacron -> /bin/true* |
| 10:43.41 | xingu | Dewi: oh I left off two features too - 4/ igmp snooping, and 5/ ipv6 support |
| 10:43.43 | markybob | damn...people still use anacron? |
| 10:43.50 | salvin | who does know the default size of the kernel space in linux? |
| 10:43.51 | broadcaster | no, we don't. |
| 10:43.55 | broadcaster | that's the point. |
| 10:43.55 | ootput | anyone know the command for firefox used in external applications to open in a new tab of any existing windows? Atm, firefox %s yields a new firefox instance, which isn't possible when there's already one active |
| 10:43.57 | Dewi | markybob: seems a bit anachronistic doesn't it |
| 10:43.59 | xingu | Dewi: the better designs will have 5/, most should have all the first 4. |
| 10:44.08 | markybob | :P |
| 10:44.17 | Dewi | markybob: that was a joke... what should machines running not-24-7 use instead? |
| 10:44.26 | Dewi | markybob: I have a couple I do switch off! |
| 10:44.35 | broadcaster | mybe the newer crontabs look different... |
| 10:44.45 | Dewi | xingu: urgh |
| 10:44.52 | Dewi | xingu: the router at work just ignores ipv6 |
| 10:44.57 | broadcaster | my crontabs are old and were not updated with cron |
| 10:45.06 | broadcaster | but the link just shouldn't be there |
| 10:45.07 | Dewi | xingu: so that DNS lookups from linux and java clients take *forever* |
| 10:45.34 | Dewi | xingu: I have to keep turning it off... |
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| 10:47.12 | unop | ootput, firefox -new-tab url |
| 10:47.22 | broadcaster | ah, found it |
| 10:47.27 | broadcaster | fcron creates the link! |
| 10:47.37 | unop | ootput, http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments |
| 10:47.37 | xingu | Dewi: that de-link I just linked you to is technically dualband but it only has one radio (two frequencies); so it can't support 2.4ghz + 5.0 ghz, it's either/or. |
| 10:47.38 | broadcaster | http://rpmseek.com/rpm/fcron_3.0.0-2_sparc.html?hl=de&cx=857:F:0:3357012:0:0:0&ShowChangeLog=1 |
| 10:49.00 | joako | hi, i just buy a sony vaio laptop vgn nr220 , i would like to know how can i get 3d acel? |
| 10:49.01 | xingu | Dewi: which tbh isn't a bad fit for its intended use as a bridge/ ap, but something to be aware of. |
| 10:49.29 | PerfDave | joako: Wouldn't you check this thing before you buy? |
| 10:49.39 | PerfDave | !tell joako -about laptops |
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| 10:50.10 | joako | mmm.....im new in this ...... |
| 10:50.29 | joako | transfer from windows.. |
| 10:50.36 | Dewi | xingu: *nod* |
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| 11:02.02 | ma3x | why when i press the shutdown button on my laptop, the computer resumes from sleep mode and then shuts it self down |
| 11:02.13 | ma3x | this happens only after longer sleep i guess |
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| 11:03.05 | markybob | maybe the power runs out after being asleep for a long time? |
| 11:04.32 | ma3x | no, no it's plugged into the ac all the time |
| 11:05.26 | Nethox | Then your hardware/drivers don't support suspend to RAM correctly |
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| 11:06.04 | Nethox | Try different graphic drivers if you have them available for your model |
| 11:06.12 | ma3x | well it suspends correctly |
| 11:06.16 | ma3x | and then it resumes correctly |
| 11:06.29 | ma3x | but it reacts as if i'd pressed the shutdown button |
| 11:06.48 | ma3x | i should probably disable the powerbutton support |
| 11:06.55 | ma3x | is it okay if i apt-get remove acpid? |
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| 11:06.58 | ma3x | what will i loose? |
| 11:07.01 | markybob | i wouldnt say that's acting correctly ;P |
| 11:07.08 | markybob | ma3x no |
| 11:07.21 | markybob | ma3x remove that and you'll lose fan control, among other things |
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| 11:08.37 | Nethox | acpid just reacts to acpi events, it can be removed |
| 11:09.06 | Nethox | But's it's better just to stop the daemon and repeat the test |
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| 11:09.44 | nerwen | how do I configure my system in order to hibernate? |
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| 11:10.30 | Lethargy_4 | It should be set in the kernel, |
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| 11:10.40 | CarlCox | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.42 | redduck666 | how can i force apt to use ipv4 even if ipv6 is available? |
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| 11:11.22 | Nethox | nerwen: kernel ACPI option + enought space on the swap particion + tool |
| 11:11.48 | Nethox | Well, not really an ACPI option |
| 11:11.52 | itchi | Hi, does someone make use og gonzui? Seems that it don't catalog all the functions, modules ... like expected. |
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| 11:12.07 | nerwen | Nethox: what tool |
| 11:12.22 | Nethox | nerwen: uswsusp |
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| 11:15.27 | rauchi | mahlzeit! |
| 11:16.31 | rauchi | ich frage mich warum ein benutzer der keine adminrechte hat das system in gnome herunterfahren kann. wie kann ich das verhindern? |
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| 11:19.53 | just_bob | hi can nayone help me with my firewall rules? I use shorewall |
| 11:20.06 | Zharf | there's #shorewall |
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| 11:21.56 | just_bob | but nobody answers there Zharf |
| 11:22.09 | Nethox | rauchi: http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/20/disable-shutdown-for-normal-users/ |
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| 11:22.54 | rauchi | Nethox, vielen dank! |
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| 11:27.08 | suriro | .j shorewall |
| 11:27.13 | suriro | oops |
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| 11:29.16 | maniacxs | Is it possible to force write back on a scsi device? |
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| 11:35.30 | just_bob | can anyone help me out with shorewall, i want it to redirect incommings from the local zone through port 3128, these are my rules http://pastebin.com/d58aa0ab3 |
| 11:38.00 | pingouin | is there any apps under linux for work on pictures/photos than can handle 16 bits ? |
| 11:38.08 | pingouin | gimp only do 8 |
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| 11:42.25 | xingu | pingouin: cinepaint, apparently; gimp+cineon plugin; and krita |
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| 11:42.51 | pingouin | go to give a check xingu , thanks |
| 11:42.58 | hhMish | Is there chan devoted to dpkg ? How do I print dependencies of package xyz ? |
| 11:43.20 | maniacxs | just_bob: i have: REDIRECT loc 3128 tcp www |
| 11:43.25 | xingu | pingouin: look for cineon, dpx, openexr compatibility is what I read on google. |
| 11:43.39 | xingu | pingouin: and rgbe |
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| 11:43.54 | maniacxs | just_bob: what problem do you have? |
| 11:44.08 | MmikeDOMA | Can I tell find to execute two commands on found file using -exec ? |
| 11:44.10 | just_bob | maniacxs |
| 11:44.15 | abrotman | hhMish: dpkg -I ? |
| 11:44.33 | hhMish | ah got it, dpkg -s |
| 11:44.45 | just_bob | maniacxs it doesn't redirect the traffic somehow |
| 11:44.49 | xingu | pingouin: cinepaint (as in, .org) looks like a reasonable starting point |
| 11:45.32 | maniacxs | just_bob: do you get an error message? have you configured your squid correctly? what does shorewall log say? |
| 11:46.33 | maniacxs | just_bob: and what does your squid log say? |
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| 11:46.41 | Certh | hi |
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| 11:46.53 | Certh | is ubuntu offtopic here? |
| 11:46.56 | just_bob | maniacxs squid is configured to http_port 3128, redirection works on links |
| 11:47.14 | grul | Certh, pro tip: #ubuntu |
| 11:47.24 | maniacxs | just_bob: links on the fw? |
| 11:47.24 | Certh | grul: i know |
| 11:47.38 | abrotman | Certh: yes it is offtopic |
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| 11:48.43 | just_bob | maniacxs links -http-proxy 127.0.0.1:3128 some.domain.com and it does it's job |
| 11:48.57 | just_bob | jes, on the firewall machine |
| 11:49.05 | just_bob | <yes> |
| 11:49.28 | maniacxs | just_bob: but this is not what you want! you want it to be redirected without proxy |
| 11:49.37 | maniacxs | witchout setting a proxy |
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| 11:50.50 | maniacxs | just_bob: do you have set up your squid as a transparent proxy? if yes you should look on the shorewall logs |
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| 11:51.37 | just_bob | maniacxs i set http_port 3128 transparent |
| 11:52.36 | maniacxs | logfile? |
| 11:53.21 | doudou | how do i give a name to my usb disk to help booting? |
| 11:53.34 | doudou | i saw a command, i cant remmenber |
| 11:54.43 | just_bob | one sec, getting the logfile |
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| 11:56.33 | maniacxs | just_bob: try to read it! I do not know your hosts and when you tried to get a redirection |
| 11:57.13 | maniacxs | just_bob: and do not try to do it from fw. fw is not in loc |
| 11:57.14 | redduck666 | how can i force apt to use ipv4 even if ipv6 is available? |
| 11:57.16 | just_bob | maniacxs yes, i'm doing that, don't worry |
| 11:57.25 | maniacxs | just_bob: :) ok |
| 11:57.58 | maniacxs | i had not enough coffee today |
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| 11:58.05 | BigTuna- | Hi, |
| 11:58.05 | BigTuna- | Monthly maintenance has been completed on Unicorn and Ibistro. Both are back up. |
| 11:58.05 | BigTuna- | Robert |
| 11:58.10 | BigTuna- | oops |
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| 11:58.19 | BigTuna- | sorry about that |
| 11:59.10 | maniacxs | just_bob: you should check your policy and the logging settings |
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| 11:59.49 | just_bob | maniacxs i get error-invalid request -NONE/- text/html |
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| 12:00.11 | abrotman | BigTuna-: thank goodness, but Chimera is still down |
| 12:00.17 | BigTuna- | haha |
| 12:00.19 | BigTuna- | quick question.. upgrading an old machine from woody to sarge (next to etch). I went through the whole dist-upgrade and it said I should change a line in lilo.conf to install=menu . Just did that after the upgrade.. before I reboot do I have to run lilo again? |
| 12:00.24 | just_bob | when i try to access blocked sites from zone loc |
| 12:00.28 | maniacxs | just_bob: did you reload your squid after setting transparent? |
| 12:00.29 | BigTuna- | that's what i was trying to ask |
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| 12:00.46 | just_bob | maniacxs many times |
| 12:00.48 | abrotman | tells BigTuna- to just switch to grub |
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| 12:01.38 | abrotman | BigTuna-: likely re-running lilo isn't going to hurt |
| 12:01.49 | Dewi | urgh. how do I remove a chroot? |
| 12:01.54 | maniacxs | just_bob: but this is log from squid ... so shorewall seems to work |
| 12:01.57 | Dewi | I can't get at the /proc files |
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| 12:02.12 | BigTuna- | k |
| 12:02.18 | maniacxs | just_bob: what blocked sites? |
| 12:02.47 | just_bob | for exaple xxx.com |
| 12:02.54 | abrotman | BigTuna-: but realistically, grub is easier to use in most cases |
| 12:02.55 | maniacxs | just_bob: i do not know how you are blocking normaly you should get an denied |
| 12:03.16 | maniacxs | just_bob: no ... you really want to block this? hehe |
| 12:03.24 | BigTuna- | yeah I agree, but its already setup with lilo so i'll leave it |
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| 12:03.43 | maniacxs | just_bob: what when you access a not blocked site? |
| 12:03.48 | maniacxs | does this work? |
| 12:03.52 | just_bob | maniacxs lol, it's not for me - i'm building a gateway for some company |
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| 12:04.51 | shastry | whats the recommended way to install testing? install etch and upgrade or use lenny installer? |
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| 12:05.16 | maniacxs | just_bob: are you blocking sites? have you tried dansguardian? |
| 12:06.00 | maniacxs | just_bob: s/sites/url/ |
| 12:06.00 | just_bob | i'm using squid+redirector (rejik) right now |
| 12:06.42 | maniacxs | just_bob: so when you get a log from squid it is ok. |
| 12:07.23 | Dewi | what does it mean when you mount something that isn't /dev/* ? |
| 12:07.46 | maniacxs | just_bob: i really do not know squid+redirector (rejik) |
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| 12:07.59 | just_bob | maniacxs it says "TCP_DENIED/400 1234 GET error:invalid-request" |
| 12:08.46 | maniacxs | just_bob: i do not have your paste anymore do you need some fw to fw or localhost to lo rules? |
| 12:08.48 | abrotman | shastry: there is a beta installer you can try .. might work, might not |
| 12:08.58 | shastry | ok thank you |
| 12:09.07 | minus198 | Does anyone know if Debian Lenny has this patch installed in the kernel: "patch_2.6.24_for_4311_2" ? |
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| 12:09.22 | abrotman | shastry: there are also daily builds .. but those are more iffy |
| 12:09.24 | chronographer | check |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | fail |
| 12:09.36 | Dewi | anyone know anything about live-helper ? |
| 12:09.47 | chronographer | hey guys, this is you: http://xkcd.com/293/ |
| 12:09.57 | Dewi | I don't really understand chroots or what it does to the system |
| 12:10.01 | chronographer | Thanks for all your help though, till I moved to Ubuntu, now your no help at all! |
| 12:10.08 | chronographer | *you're |
| 12:10.10 | zamuro | !tell Dewi about anyone |
| 12:10.42 | Dewi | zamuro: how would you prefer me to phrase my question? |
| 12:10.42 | just_bob | maniacxs i think that would be it |
| 12:10.47 | minus198 | Does anyone know if Debian Lenny has this patch installed in the kernel: "patch_2.6.24_for_4311_2" ? |
| 12:11.07 | cahoot | the changelog might tell |
| 12:11.38 | just_bob | i need to smehow fix the rules, they are @ http://pastebin.com/d58aa0ab3 |
| 12:12.40 | Dewi | zamuro: nobody has answered my last 3 questions, probably because they were all so incredibly specific, but I'll do it again |
| 12:13.01 | Dewi | What are the proc-live and sysfs-live mounts created by live-helper's lh_build, and what do I do to clean them up? |
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| 12:13.32 | abrotman | Dewi: you should ask if anyone knows anything about live-helper |
| 12:13.33 | abrotman | runs |
| 12:13.43 | maniacxs | just_bob: do you have log from your shorewall? |
| 12:14.04 | cusco | hey... |
| 12:14.13 | cusco | how do I re-generate /boot/grub/device.map ? |
| 12:14.20 | Dewi | abrotman: I'm happy to just type dozens of lines of context-free crap into the channel if that's what people would prefer :) |
| 12:14.23 | PerfDave | cusco: I think grub-install generates that. |
| 12:14.34 | cusco | hmm |
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| 12:14.48 | solemnwarning | Is anyone else here using Sympa? |
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| 12:15.56 | just_bob | maniacxsi have the webin shorewall log |
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| 12:17.26 | maniacxs | just_bob: i do not know this. it should be in messages |
| 12:17.48 | just_bob | maniacxs ok, one sec |
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| 12:18.33 | maniacxs | just_bob: check your /etc/shorewall/policy for log settings |
| 12:18.56 | mib_86czrb | Hi. I use Wine, but I've read (and tested) that the .60 releases have broken 3d acceleration. I'm sticking with an older version, but I was wondering if it was possible to stop "apt-get upgrade" fetching the latest version. Thanks for any help you can offer. |
| 12:19.15 | abrotman | !tell mib_86czrb about hold |
| 12:19.17 | cusco | thnaks PerfDave |
| 12:19.25 | PerfDave | cusco: np |
| 12:19.35 | Vegar | if a package version is built only for amd64, how long would it take for packages for other architechtures (i386) to be built? |
| 12:19.50 | Vegar | (package in this case is iceweasel, in experimental) |
| 12:20.01 | PerfDave | Vegar: "not long", modulo size of build queues |
| 12:20.10 | Vegar | hehe |
| 12:20.11 | Vegar | ok |
| 12:20.12 | abrotman | Vegar: it's been that way awhile |
| 12:20.23 | abrotman | i'm not sure that experimental works the same as the regular archive |
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| 12:22.03 | schme | hello #debian. I am trying to install debian here on a newly bought box and I have run into some kind of problem. It seems that the second the debian logo pops up on the install screen I can no longer use my keyboard. |
| 12:22.11 | mib_86czrb | abrotman: Thanks for your help - I used: sudo echo "wine hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections and it now works |
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| 12:22.15 | Stroganoff | is the "-br" option disabled in the newest releases of Xorg in unstable? |
| 12:22.22 | schme | It's a bluetooth keyboard connect to the USB port. Is there some way to make this work? |
| 12:22.37 | just_bob | maniacxs, the log says everithing is ok, but you got it right before, i think I need to setup some $FW to $FW rule |
| 12:22.38 | Vegar | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 12:23.06 | abrotman | schme: plugin a regular keyboard to do the install ? |
| 12:23.25 | schme | abrotman: I don't have one. |
| 12:23.44 | abrotman | are there bios options related to the keyboard? |
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| 12:24.01 | schme | abrotman: I'll take a look. |
| 12:24.25 | maniacxs | just_bob: so add logging for fw -> fw in /etc/shorewall/profile |
| 12:24.46 | maniacxs | just_bob: if you do not know what rule you need |
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| 12:25.25 | schme | abrotman: I'll just try the "usb keyboard support" (: |
| 12:25.34 | schme | .b |
| 12:25.40 | schme | abrotman: Thanks. You da man! |
| 12:25.40 | abrotman | sounds silly! |
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| 12:26.25 | schme | (that was mildly embarassing) |
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| 12:27.41 | just_bob | maniacxs, ok thank you |
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| 12:33.25 | iateadonut | anyone happen to know how to make your keyboard only print once when you press and hold a key? |
| 12:33.28 | mrglinux | hi i have problem with my vps(debian)/ when i upload a html file with this encoding (<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1256">) after that when i run my html file in browser the encoding of page change to utf-8 and destroy page contents. i check this file on another server and i be certain this problem refer to server. could any one help me? |
| 12:33.33 | iateadonut | or to change it back to be the correct way? |
| 12:35.11 | Bushmills | iateadonut: X? comnsole? |
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| 12:36.07 | Bushmills | gconftool, from gnome, could be used to set repeat rate, like gconftool -s /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/rate -t int $RATE |
| 12:36.29 | Bushmills | untested but i suppose RATE=0 would disable autorepeat |
| 12:36.39 | pingouin | how can i change the date/hours please ? |
| 12:36.52 | pingouin | i mean on my computer |
| 12:36.56 | Bushmills | pingouin: date |
| 12:37.09 | Bushmills | or, ntpdate to set it to correct time over the net |
| 12:37.38 | Bushmills | for writing time to BIOS clock, hwclock is the tool |
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| 12:38.29 | Savy87 | hello friends |
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| 12:39.00 | gleb | hi! |
| 12:39.14 | Savy87 | :) |
| 12:39.35 | Savy87 | friends i am new with debian, for download i see http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ correct? |
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| 12:41.27 | Spee_Der | Savy87, yes. |
| 12:41.32 | Spee_Der | I just did that also.... |
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| 12:41.43 | Savy87 | ok spee :) |
| 12:41.49 | Savy87 | that is latest version stable? |
| 12:41.59 | Spee_Der | That is if you can burn dvd iso's. |
| 12:42.08 | Savy87 | ok |
| 12:42.10 | Spee_Der | Yes. Quite so for me anyway Sav |
| 12:42.25 | Spee_Der | I'm using Debian (Etch) v4.03r |
| 12:42.32 | Savy87 | ah |
| 12:42.35 | Spee_Der | Very comfy so far. |
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| 12:42.48 | Savy87 | k. but spee there are 3 link in that link |
| 12:43.08 | Spee_Der | Let me re-look. |
| 12:43.43 | Spee_Der | Savy87, start with the first DVD. |
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| 12:44.04 | PerfDave | Savy87: You only need DVD-1. Debian is *huge* and has 3 DVDs worth of redistributable software. |
| 12:44.13 | Spee_Der | For staring it is just fine. The others are when you may need to add apps and not have access to the net. |
| 12:44.16 | Spee_Der | It is easy. |
| 12:44.30 | PerfDave | In fact, you probably only need CD-1, but I wouldn't bother with netinstalls. |
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| 12:44.41 | Savy87 | ah but spee i need debian for server |
| 12:45.05 | PerfDave | Savy87: There's no "debian for server", there's just Debian. |
| 12:45.13 | Spee_Der | Like Perf said, start with the first DVD and take it from there. |
| 12:45.24 | PerfDave | hands Spee_Der tab-completion ;) |
| 12:45.36 | Spee_Der | Savy87, you'll get the hang of it in no time. |
| 12:45.38 | Savy87 | ok |
| 12:45.45 | Savy87 | thx for all support |
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| 12:50.14 | gleb | why are the applications dubbed in 'programs' menu when setting up: one - in menu 'debian' and one in thmatic section? |
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| 12:51.16 | lvh | hi. |
| 12:51.34 | dimir | hoi |
| 12:51.52 | lvh | I have an SVG that's one page big. It holds a circuit that's only about 10% of the page's surface -- what's the best way to crop it? |
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| 13:02.01 | perlm | Why can't I ever remember where the httpd.conf resides :/ |
| 13:02.21 | abrotman | /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2/ likely |
| 13:02.39 | perlm | it exists in /etc/apache2, but it's empty |
| 13:02.52 | perlm | so I assume it's not the one being used |
| 13:02.56 | perlm | :| |
| 13:03.10 | abrotman | apache2.conf ? |
| 13:03.23 | abrotman | /etc/apache2/mods-availabe/default/ |
| 13:03.27 | abrotman | available |
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| 13:09.55 | naiv | fuck internet explorer |
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| 13:18.05 | Bushmills | conventionally known as "microsoft internet explorer" - do they oem it to the company you mention now? |
| 13:19.25 | cahoot | some porno conglomerate? |
| 13:20.04 | Bushmills | ah. distributor of dialers |
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| 13:20.17 | Bushmills | integrated browser functionality |
| 13:21.24 | Bushmills | ActiveConnect (tm) |
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| 13:28.21 | sidewalk | im having problems installing debian on a HP-UX-machine, a c3600 |
| 13:28.39 | Dewi | what's the "normal" way to stop X from starting on boot? |
| 13:28.39 | sidewalk | im trying to net install it |
| 13:28.43 | Dewi | (something has installed gdm) |
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| 13:29.26 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 13:29.26 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 13:36.55 | zcat | hey - is there some way to 'reset' tty7 which is stuck on a ghost image of a long dead startx X session (which i use via KVM)? X is dead & the parent shell has been killed, but it remains. |
| 13:37.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | ctrl+alt+backspace? |
| 13:37.41 | zcat | notachance. |
| 13:37.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | Isn't that what you were asking? |
| 13:38.03 | Bushmills | not with a dm. will just show dm login screen |
| 13:38.47 | zcat | there's no X process to handle the keyboard, and there's no gdm gm to respawn X (startx) |
| 13:38.49 | abrotman | zcat: kill X ? |
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| 13:39.54 | Bushmills | zcat you could try to echo -e "\014" > /dev/tty7 |
| 13:40.10 | Skratz0r | Hey all |
| 13:40.16 | Bushmills | if it doesn't clear the screen, try echoing a file file of spaces |
| 13:40.19 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 13:40.21 | Bushmills | cat i mean |
| 13:41.42 | Skratz0r | Any of you set up an iBook G4 with a wireless driver and got it working? |
| 13:41.50 | Skratz0r | Yes, I bring tales of Broadcom woes |
| 13:42.47 | zcat | Bushmills, nope. still stuck with the old 1600x1200 vga afterimage. |
| 13:42.48 | Skratz0r | D: |
| 13:43.12 | Bushmills | ah. graphics. frame buffer, possibly? |
| 13:43.29 | abrotman | Skratz0r: mine works fine |
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| 13:43.44 | Skratz0r | abrotman; using an iBook G4 with Debian 4.0? |
| 13:44.06 | abrotman | no .. macmini |
| 13:44.20 | Skratz0r | Does it still use the Broadcom wireless card? |
| 13:44.35 | zcat | Bushmills, kvm fails to finish switching my kbd and mouse over as well, but ssh is fine. *shrug* think i'll just have to throw the 112 uptime away. |
| 13:44.44 | LimCore | my sound card fail to work in alsa (recording) |
| 13:44.53 | Bushmills | dd if=/dev/zero of=$FB count=4096 bs=1024 where FB is the /dev/fb device could clear that. framebuffer assumed |
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| 13:45.24 | Skratz0r | abrotman; is it wireless? |
| 13:45.28 | Skratz0r | (WIFI)? |
| 13:45.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:45.31 | Bushmills | 112 uptime, that's almost like recently rebooted. don't worry :) |
| 13:45.40 | zcat | Bushmills, ... days. :) |
| 13:45.46 | Bushmills | that's what i mean |
| 13:45.52 | Skratz0r | Right, abrotman; what driver are you using? |
| 13:45.59 | zcat | it's a little miniitx. mostly used for this here irc proxy. |
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| 13:46.30 | abrotman | bcm43xx |
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| 13:46.51 | Skratz0r | abrotman; can you tell me how you set it up? |
| 13:46.54 | Bushmills | zcat, though, starting and stoppng X again - won't that take care of it? |
| 13:46.58 | Skratz0r | Step by step? XP |
| 13:47.17 | abrotman | Skratz0r: i just installed it and used the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 13:47.25 | abrotman | !tell Skratz0r about bcm43xx |
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| 13:47.40 | hhMish | !dpkg |
| 13:47.40 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 13:48.24 | regis | hello, i want to compile a deb-src but i need to remove support for ldap because otherwise it fails...what file should i modify? |
| 13:48.58 | zcat | Bushmills, hah. nice. that reset the afterimage after i ctrl-c'd startx. but it didn't return to a text VT. ... and chvt is no help. |
| 13:49.20 | angrylogic | regis: check the debian/rules file for --configure line parameters. there might be an --enable-ldap you can remove. |
| 13:49.35 | zcat | Bushmills, startx from my ssh screen session isn't useful longterm; trying to get the real console (kvm) back. |
| 13:49.43 | filthpig | hi, does anyone here know if there is a 64 bit wengophone package available for debian? googling hasn't provided any real answers yet.. |
| 13:50.09 | regis | angrylogic, thanks a lot |
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| 13:50.45 | Bushmills | zcat any X-ish processes to kill, maybe? |
| 13:51.09 | vjoe | hey |
| 13:51.09 | Skratz0r | Bushmills; killall * |
| 13:51.12 | Skratz0r | Heh |
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| 13:56.52 | black_13 | does the vmware player as package exist for debian |
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| 13:58.31 | _danilo | vmware server exist |
| 13:58.37 | _danilo | is free |
| 13:58.56 | regis | (as in price) |
| 14:00.18 | _danilo | http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ |
| 14:00.30 | black_13 | i was hoping for the player |
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| 14:00.35 | angrylogic | black_13: there is a vmware-package that will let you build packages from vmware tarballs in Lenny and Sid |
| 14:00.41 | _danilo | http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ |
| 14:00.50 | angrylogic | black_13: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/vmware-package |
| 14:01.12 | black_13 | angrylogic, will this work for the player tarballs? |
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| 14:01.44 | angrylogic | black_13: VMware Player 2.0 is supposed to be supported. I've never used it before. |
| 14:02.39 | black_13 | yeah the link says vmware player ... |
| 14:04.10 | sidewalk | i installed the tftp-hpa package |
| 14:04.18 | sidewalk | where does it put its files? |
| 14:04.36 | black_13 | i have the vmware player tarballs and i am having endless fun installing them |
| 14:05.26 | redduck666 | hmm, perl -e 'if (getpwnam("root")) { print "in\n"; }' why doesn't this print 'in'? |
| 14:05.48 | redduck666 | crap, wrong channel |
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| 14:34.23 | regis | angrylogic, there isn't enable ldap...so i added --without-ldap to the line starting by CFLAGS="$(CFLAGS)" LDFLAGS="$(LDFLAGS)" ./configure but still it fails to compile because of ldap |
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| 14:36.39 | webczat | hi,how can i login to my account in infobot? |
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| 14:39.58 | mhymn | webczat: #infobot might help |
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| 14:47.07 | hjb | Hi. I'm on lenny and installed grub-pc and grub-common packages |
| 14:47.21 | hjb | Problem: i can't find any docs! No manpage, no infopage, nothing |
| 14:47.31 | hjb | Where are those? |
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| 14:50.50 | hjb | Oh, to answer myself: there are NO manuals for grub 2 available :-O |
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| 15:01.33 | Wyzard | hjb: grub 2 is a work-in-progress |
| 15:02.23 | vizzy | will it support xfs on /boot then? |
| 15:02.51 | hjb | vizzy I have trouble with xfs and lenny version of it :-| |
| 15:03.11 | lvh | Why would you want XFS on your /boot partition? |
| 15:03.22 | Wyzard | vizzy: It has an "xfs.mod" alongside ext2.mod, reiserfs.mod, etc. so it looks like it already does |
| 15:03.38 | vizzy | i never had problems with xfs, but since my debian install xfs can not be on /boot for some reason. |
| 15:03.41 | Wyzard | lvh: XFS on / and no separate /boot partition presumably |
| 15:03.49 | lvh | This is coming from someone who has loads of XFS partitions |
| 15:04.02 | lvh | Wyzard: that's always a bad idea in my opinion, but, sure :-) |
| 15:04.15 | Wyzard | lvh: It's fine in many cases |
| 15:04.42 | hjb | vizzy if you like to, join #grub. I'm discussing that issue with a developer at moment |
| 15:04.51 | vizzy | :O |
| 15:04.53 | lvh | Wyzard: maybe we're just using the boxes in question in completely different contexts :-) |
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| 15:05.29 | vizzy | hjb, the problem is i never had that problem before, it seems to be a bit debian sepcific, but im not sure. wiki says grub itself has no problem to boot from xfs |
| 15:05.46 | vizzy | and i have 2 other machines using another distro which also have grub +xfs on /boot |
| 15:05.51 | lvh | Wyzard: My XFS partition is a pretty big RAID 10 array, and I boot (and have /bin and a few other critical directories such as /etc) on a flash disk. |
| 15:05.53 | Wyzard | lvh: I don't use XFS anymore anyway... originally started using it because its "freeze" feature looked useful in conjunction with LVM snapshots, but the fact that XFS doesn't support shrinking makes it much less useful in an LVM context |
| 15:05.56 | vizzy | grub itself seems not to be the problem here |
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| 15:08.02 | Wyzard | vizzy: What do you mean that you can't do it, then? |
| 15:08.45 | vizzy | Wyzard, i don't know how to switch from lilo to grub, especially in debian |
| 15:09.08 | vizzy | the general way i know, but i read about massive problems here after installing frub and booting from xfs |
| 15:09.18 | Wyzard | vizzy: Why are you using lilo in the first place? |
| 15:09.27 | hjb | vizzy I can't boot from xfs any longer |
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| 15:09.34 | vizzy | because the installer said he cant use grub on /boot because of xfs! |
| 15:09.50 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting |
| 15:10.14 | vizzy | hjb, yes, i know, thats why im searchig for a gently way to install grub and get it working with /boot of type xfs, .... but it seems there are common problems |
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| 15:10.47 | vizzy | as i said... i have already grub+xfs /boot running, but other distro, and self-compiled kernel with native xfs support statically compiled |
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| 15:11.03 | vizzy | im not sure, but i guess that means the trick, installing a kernel with native xfs support |
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| 15:12.13 | hjb | vizzy xfs support of the kernel is irrelevant, as grub brings it's own drivers for accessing filesystems |
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| 15:12.26 | vizzy | oh, ah ok |
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| 15:12.34 | hjb | vizzy which version of grub are you using on the other machine? |
| 15:12.40 | Zacaa | hmm |
| 15:12.46 | Zacaa | does debian run kde or gnome? |
| 15:12.53 | Zacaa | or well the default installation i mean |
| 15:12.54 | vizzy | hjb, good quetsion. |
| 15:12.55 | Zacaa | :) |
| 15:13.02 | vizzy | gnome for some reason |
| 15:13.08 | dondelelcaro | Zacaa: gnome, but you can pick whatever you want. |
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| 15:13.28 | hjb | Zacaa Vote gnome |
| 15:13.49 | hjb | vizzy Do you know if it is grub2 or grub-legacy? |
| 15:14.02 | vizzy | grub-0.95-3 |
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| 15:14.11 | vizzy | installed on the machine where it works |
| 15:14.38 | hjb | vizzy Ok, i have trouble with 1.96 |
| 15:14.39 | Zacaa | why, is gnome better? |
| 15:14.53 | dondelelcaro | !better |
| 15:14.54 | dpkg | it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 15:15.11 | Zacaa | lulz |
| 15:15.15 | hjb | vizzy I'm not sure: does anyone know which grub version is used on debian while installing? |
| 15:15.40 | Zacaa | well |
| 15:15.44 | Zacaa | if someone has an option |
| 15:15.51 | Zacaa | and tells me to vote gnome |
| 15:16.01 | Zacaa | I do believe that I have the right to ask if it's better |
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| 15:16.37 | dondelelcaro | Zacaa: the point is that any answer that we give you to that questino is entirely useless. Say we say it's better. Then what? [Also, please stop overusing enter.] |
| 15:16.46 | vizzy | hjb, 0.97-27 is current debian available grub |
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| 15:17.32 | ntadmin | somebody can help me? |
| 15:17.33 | Zacaa | enter |
| 15:17.34 | Zacaa | is my |
| 15:17.36 | Zacaa | key |
| 15:17.37 | Zacaa | to be |
| 15:17.38 | Zacaa | enjoyed |
| 15:17.39 | Zacaa | ;) |
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| 15:17.57 | vizzy | ntadmin, did you ask a question ? |
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| 15:18.11 | ntadmin | I have a pc with 2 network cards, at eth0 is plugged my adslmodem, at eth1 my switch |
| 15:18.12 | champus | hey |
| 15:18.20 | ntadmin | i'm trying to share the internet connection |
| 15:18.21 | champus | there once was a site called "whyishouldlinux.com" or something like that |
| 15:18.26 | champus | does anybody in here know the correct adress? |
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| 15:18.30 | ntadmin | but I don't have success |
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| 15:19.00 | nvz | champus: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 15:19.06 | dondelelcaro | ntadmin: install ipmasq or similar. |
| 15:19.14 | vizzy | ntadmin, so you need ipmasquerading, if the machine should act as a gateway, search the web for setting up a linux router |
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| 15:19.29 | vizzy | masquerading, forwarding etc, maybe a proxy etc |
| 15:19.40 | ntadmin | vizzy: i run the command: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 MASQUERADE |
| 15:19.49 | vizzy | phew |
| 15:20.17 | ntadmin | vizzy |
| 15:20.19 | ntadmin | let me tell |
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| 15:20.42 | ntadmin | the machine that I like to get connection for my debia is a windows |
| 15:20.57 | vizzy | ntadmin, its hard to dig into routing stuff right now :) ... its a sunny sunday :) |
| 15:21.06 | ntadmin | in the windows when I make a ping www.uol.com.br it's work |
| 15:21.12 | regis | hello, i realy need help to disable ldap in a deb-src(wine) i tried 3 times but without result...it stills fails with /root/wine/wine-0.9.46/dlls/wldap32/parse.c:420: undefined reference to `ldap_parse_vlv_control'...i added CONFFLAGS += --without-ldap to debian/rules here's the result... http://www.pastebin.ca/999383 and i realy need this version of wine |
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| 15:21.18 | ntadmin | but when I open IE it does'n work |
| 15:21.21 | Jos | I've got an 180Mhz debian machine, and I've already compiled the alsa module a few weeks ago on the same machine, different installation |
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| 15:21.39 | Jos | can I just copy over the module, or would I have to compile it again? (costs nearly 2 hours :< ) |
| 15:21.49 | Ramraid | whats the command to check what grops a user is in? |
| 15:21.57 | Wyzard | Jos: compiled what ALSA module? |
| 15:22.08 | hjb | Jos Can't you compile it on a faster machine? |
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| 15:22.20 | Jos | eh .. i don't know how cross compiling works |
| 15:22.28 | Jos | at least not for modules |
| 15:22.29 | Wyzard | Jos: ALSA is part of the standard kernel, so you shouldn't need to compile anything |
| 15:22.34 | Jos | huh |
| 15:22.44 | Wyzard | Jos: unless you have some weird esoteric sound card whose driver isn't in the standard kernel |
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| 15:23.43 | Jos | I compiled it last time with module-assistant |
| 15:24.05 | Wyzard | What exactly did you compile, and why? |
| 15:24.05 | regis | angrylogic, ping |
| 15:24.14 | Jos | the module, to listen music :p |
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| 15:24.40 | Wyzard | Jos: What I'm asking is *what* module? |
| 15:24.48 | Wyzard | Jos: Are you talking about the alsa-source package? |
| 15:24.53 | Jos | yes |
| 15:25.05 | ntadmin | nvz help me for there so |
| 15:25.06 | Wyzard | Jos: You almost certainly don't need that |
| 15:25.07 | Jos | [ ] alsa ALSA driver sources |
| 15:25.08 | Jos | k |
| 15:25.12 | ntadmin | *here |
| 15:25.32 | Wyzard | Jos: ALSA is part of the standard kernel, and has been for a long time |
| 15:25.32 | nvz | ntadmin: I don't know you or what you want help with leave me alone |
| 15:26.06 | ntadmin | uhh hungry man |
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| 15:27.09 | nvz | I just woke up less than 10 minutes ago why the hell you are talking directly to me as if I am going to help you with something, I'll never know |
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| 15:27.37 | nvz | and the /msg crap is totally uncalled for |
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| 15:28.16 | ntadmin | she is really hungry |
| 15:28.18 | ntadmin | :) |
| 15:28.20 | ntadmin | bye |
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| 15:28.38 | nvz | wtf? |
| 15:29.00 | trifler | Hello, I'm having a trouble with my debian computor i'm not sure if it hangs or what really happens with it but after some time beeing on it just dies. It dosen't respond to ping and so on. The computor acts as a server. Where could i look for potential clues (im new to the linux "scene") |
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| 15:29.11 | regis | can anyone help me? ^^^ |
| 15:29.18 | nvz | so not only am I a "she", but I'm also "hungry" and suppose to help this crazy person "for there so"? |
| 15:29.32 | \amethyst | question about the BTS.. if I have a patch for a bug that I am not the submitter for, what is the appropriate way to do the submission and include the tag? |
| 15:29.32 | dpkg | about the BTS.. if I have a patch for a bug that I am not the submitter for, what is the appropriate way to do the submission and include the tag: Do you have a Debian-related question that we can help you with? If you do, please ask it and someone will try to help; if you do not, then please be quiet. |
| 15:29.59 | Jos | trifler, could be anything: a failing module (had that myself), temperature problems) |
| 15:30.08 | Jos | does it say anything in the syslog? |
| 15:30.26 | trifler | Jos: I'm booting it as we speak i'll have a look. |
| 15:30.36 | \amethyst | should I use reportbug; send a message that includes Tags: patch; or send a message and then separately send a control message tagging it as +patch ? |
| 15:30.38 | nvz | dondelelcaro: wth was that all about? |
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| 15:31.38 | Ramraid | How do i check what groups a user is in? |
| 15:31.50 | nvz | Ramraid: groups |
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| 15:32.44 | dv___ | hello |
| 15:33.02 | trifler | Jos: syslog dosen't contain anything mysterious |
| 15:33.07 | et | question <test> |
| 15:33.08 | dv___ | from what I see kde4 is still in the experimental branch? |
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| 15:33.11 | et | question <test>? |
| 15:33.14 | Wyzard | dv___: yes |
| 15:33.29 | trifler | Jos: any other log worth looking in? |
| 15:33.34 | Jos | probably not |
| 15:33.35 | Ramraid | and the command to add groups is useradd -G ? |
| 15:33.36 | dv___ | this will remain there, for approximately how long? |
| 15:33.56 | Jos | trifler, are the fans working properly? |
| 15:34.34 | lord_rob | Hi ! What's happening with the bts ? Apt-listbugs seems to take forever ... :/ |
| 15:34.37 | nvz | Ramraid: adding groups can be done with addgroup |
| 15:34.50 | nvz | Ramraid: adding a user to an existing group can be done with adduser |
| 15:34.54 | Jos | trifler, i'm off (food) |
| 15:35.00 | nvz | Ramraid: adduser nvz audio |
| 15:35.05 | nvz | Ramraid: would add me to the audio group |
| 15:35.06 | trifler | Jos: ty and bye |
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| 15:36.18 | lord_rob | Hi ! What's happening with the bts ? Apt-listbugs seems to take forever ... :/ |
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| 15:36.30 | lord_rob | sorry for double pasting |
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| 15:37.23 | dv___ | can I expect kde4 to land in testing or at least unstable this year? |
| 15:37.57 | nvz | dv___: can I expect you to join the kde package maintaining team this year? |
| 15:38.02 | regis | help! |
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| 15:38.14 | Nyle | doobian hello |
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| 15:38.27 | Ramraid | thanks nvz |
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| 15:39.11 | varney | hi. i installed grub accidentally onto the swap partition, is there any way to 'move' it to the main linux / dir without a full reinstall? |
| 15:39.20 | nvz | Nyle: thought you were off the doobies.. heh |
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| 15:39.59 | Nyle | I am still |
| 15:40.17 | Nyle | rahul came over and we smoked out, but thats only cuz to celebrate my new house |
| 15:40.21 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:40.26 | Nyle | 1 blunt in a month |
| 15:40.28 | nvz | hah |
| 15:40.30 | Nyle | anyway |
| 15:40.34 | Nyle | I am trying to buy some lcds |
| 15:40.38 | nvz | rahul from here? |
| 15:40.44 | Nyle | at least 2, cuz i amm a dual head crazy guy |
| 15:40.54 | Nyle | must be wide screen |
| 15:41.12 | Nyle | I got this guy on craigslist selling almost brand new 19" NONwidescreen for like 120$ a piece |
| 15:41.15 | Nyle | should I take it? |
| 15:41.25 | Nyle | or should I go for wide |
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| 15:41.43 | abrotman | related to debian how? |
| 15:41.43 | nvz | sounds reasonable though not a real bargain |
| 15:41.50 | Nyle | and also, vesa driver has ANY issues whatsoever with lcd |
| 15:41.50 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:42.14 | Nyle | like resolutions, refresh rates etc? |
| 15:42.17 | nvz | I doubt it though I never tried, I use nvidia driver |
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| 15:42.35 | Nyle | hm, I can either use fglrx or vesa |
| 15:42.57 | nvz | I did notice yesturday after upgrading to the 5200FX from the TNT2 there are like lines in the display when playing bzflag unless I put the detail on high |
| 15:43.04 | nvz | but thats hardly relevant |
| 15:43.08 | nvz | just me rambling |
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| 15:43.13 | Nyle | nvz dude, i hope you didn't buy that, I coulda sent you a free one |
| 15:43.22 | Nyle | whats shiping like 6$ |
| 15:43.25 | Akuw | hi |
| 15:43.26 | nvz | Nyle: na, it was from my brothers old pc |
| 15:43.29 | Nyle | ahh word |
| 15:43.39 | nvz | Nyle: I haven't bought hardware since my PocketPC |
| 15:43.48 | xingu | nvz: still paying that off? |
| 15:43.51 | Nyle | hahaha |
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| 15:43.55 | Akuw | i installed debian in another pc, later i apt-get install xorg and apt-get install gdm |
| 15:43.55 | Nyle | xingu burned |
| 15:43.59 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:44.01 | Vincent0ne- | hey all |
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| 15:44.06 | nvz | well I take that back.. I bought this Hawking Hi-Gain USB Wireless-G Adapter |
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| 15:44.11 | sidewalk | im having problems installing debian on my hp-ux machine, anyone around who can help? |
| 15:44.17 | Akuw | but when i run x only appear a console windows |
| 15:44.26 | nvz | its pretty sweet, its an atheros AR5007UG and works great in debian right out of the box |
| 15:44.36 | sidewalk | hey xingu |
| 15:44.37 | Akuw | what i need to install desktop enviroment ? |
| 15:44.47 | xingu | hey hey |
| 15:44.49 | sidewalk | xingu: i tried alot of stuff, but can't seem to get the installation working |
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| 15:44.55 | abrotman | sidewalk: how does it fail? |
| 15:44.56 | Nyle | awe |
| 15:44.59 | nvz | its like a 4inch dish with 8db+ gain |
| 15:45.02 | Nyle | I didn't check my mail for like 2 weeks |
| 15:45.07 | regis | is there a channel for help on making packages? |
| 15:45.10 | Nyle | there was a debian drinking get togther |
| 15:45.13 | Nyle | on the 18th |
| 15:45.18 | nvz | great considering I'm living out of a camper right now |
| 15:45.19 | Nyle | oh well |
| 15:45.49 | Nyle | nvz don't matter, at the end of the day you crash on your couch or your bed.. so it don't matter where you live |
| 15:46.01 | Vincent0ne- | what is the latest version of debian like to use? |
| 15:46.04 | sidewalk | i get the error: "ENTRY_IO failed, status = -3: Cannot complete call without error" then "Failed I/O operation with" then "ENTRY_IO" then alot of numbers, then "Error reading IPL" |
| 15:46.07 | nvz | Nyle: yeah there are 3 beds in here, so |
| 15:46.07 | abrotman | !tell regis about mentors |
| 15:46.27 | abrotman | Vincent0ne-: it's like a normal linux distro but POWERED BY DEBIAN! :) |
| 15:46.33 | vjoe | is there a gtalk for Linux? |
| 15:46.33 | nvz | Nyle: and I currently got 3 computers lined up on the counter.. the PocketPC, Vista Laptop, and Debian desktop |
| 15:46.34 | Nyle | brb laundry |
| 15:46.38 | vjoe | gtalk = google talk |
| 15:46.41 | nvz | I'm all teched out in this thing |
| 15:46.53 | sidewalk | vjoe: pidgin works |
| 15:46.56 | abrotman | vjoe: use gaim or pidgin |
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| 15:47.03 | regis | abrotman, thanks i'll ask there but there is only one person there |
| 15:47.10 | nvz | It came to my attention last night though that I broke my digital camera, which is gonna be a PIMA to fix |
| 15:47.12 | abrotman | regis: on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:47.18 | abrotman | nvz: OT .. come on |
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| 15:47.30 | vjoe | sidewalk, good idea... |
| 15:47.39 | vjoe | and I can use it for msn and gtalk |
| 15:47.41 | vjoe | :P |
| 15:47.52 | sidewalk | and ICQ |
| 15:47.57 | vjoe | too bad emesene doesn't support also gtalk |
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| 15:48.04 | vjoe | I have replaced pidgin with it |
| 15:48.04 | vjoe | :\ |
| 15:48.05 | sidewalk | so what do you say xingu? :D |
| 15:48.07 | abrotman | and irc ... and aim .. and god knows what else |
| 15:48.20 | sidewalk | xingu: i have googled and googled and not found what i was looking for |
| 15:48.42 | nvz | pidgin does yahoo, msn, aim, icq, qq, myspace, irc, gtalk.. and more |
| 15:48.56 | regis | abrotman, wow thanks a lot |
| 15:50.03 | Vincent0ne- | 1 debian based distro I found that crashes on an AMD 64 was Ubuntu is debian anymore stable than ubuntu? |
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| 15:50.22 | \amethyst | Vincent0ne-: what kind of crashes? |
| 15:50.33 | Vincent0ne- | freezes |
| 15:50.35 | abrotman | the bad kind :) |
| 15:50.42 | \amethyst | Vincent0ne-: do you use a non-free video driver? |
| 15:50.50 | xingu | sidewalk: is this all coming from the prom (from BOOT_ADMIN mode?) |
| 15:51.04 | Vincent0ne- | far as I am concern I should use vesa on the X-Server |
| 15:51.21 | sidewalk | xingu: yes |
| 15:51.34 | maligor | Vincent0ne-, yes. |
| 15:51.40 | sidewalk | when i do, "bo lan" |
| 15:51.55 | xingu | sidewalk: hokay; so what we need to do is walk through layer by layer; the first bit is - is the prom able to config an IP address |
| 15:52.01 | Ramraid | I can play audio as root but not as user can someone help with that? vlc gives error unable to open cdda:///dev/hdb |
| 15:52.21 | cahoot | user not member of audio group? |
| 15:52.24 | maligor | Vincent0ne-, unless it's a hardware issue |
| 15:52.37 | sidewalk | xingu: i think so, it finds the server |
| 15:52.40 | Ramraid | member of audio and cdrom |
| 15:52.54 | sidewalk | xingu: from the other box i get messages indicating it |
| 15:52.57 | Vincent0ne- | other distros dont crash like that like opensuse |
| 15:53.49 | Vincent0ne- | even opensuse uses vesa |
| 15:55.30 | cahoot | Ramraid: the error seems more related to cdrom than audio though |
| 15:55.50 | vjoe | I am not receiving the gtalk messages in Pidgin |
| 15:56.01 | vjoe | is there any additional configuration I have to do? |
| 15:56.12 | xingu | sidewalk: we need to be precise, we need to know; so probably the best thing to do is from the system you think is your bootserver, something along the lines of tcpdump -ni eth0 ether host et:he:ra:dd:es |
| 15:56.19 | Ramraid | yea and was palying ok 2 days ago as user |
| 15:56.34 | xingu | sidewalk: then, do the net boot again, and pastebin the result |
| 15:56.42 | xingu | sidewalk: from there we should be able to see what is and isn't happening |
| 15:57.22 | cahoot | Ramraid: so who 'owns' /dev/hdb? |
| 15:57.38 | sidewalk | xingu: okey, hold on :D |
| 15:57.48 | Ramraid | and its not just vlc i cant use audacious either |
| 15:57.59 | cahoot | Ramraid: or whatever device represents the cdrom |
| 15:58.32 | xingu | et:he:ra:dd:re:ss, dropped an octet |
| 15:58.38 | xingu | but nobody was watching so it doesn't count |
| 15:58.53 | sidewalk | :-) |
| 15:59.02 | Ramraid | do i have to add that as well ?hdb is not a group |
| 15:59.08 | sidewalk | where do you want me to paste it? |
| 15:59.16 | xingu | sidewalk: any pastebin |
| 15:59.18 | xingu | !pastebin |
| 15:59.18 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 15:59.56 | cahoot | Ramraid: just see if you can figure out the owner/group for the troubled device |
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| 16:00.44 | Ramraid | ok |
| 16:00.55 | sidewalk | http://pastebin.ca/999412 |
| 16:01.49 | xingu | sidewalk: ok this is good, so where we're getting stuck is you need to be pointing the bootloader at a LIF image, not a kernel image, two secs. |
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| 16:02.50 | sidewalk | wheeei :-) |
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| 16:03.26 | xingu | ? |
| 16:03.43 | sidewalk | as in im happy and waiting two secs :-) |
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| 16:07.16 | _moro_bana_ | my friend forgot his passwd and login, anything possible from the recovery mode |
| 16:07.25 | Ramraid | ah fixed it with chmod 666 hdb |
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| 16:08.16 | Jos | _moro_bana_, root password? |
| 16:08.21 | xingu | sidewalk: so do you have - http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-hppa/current/images/netboot/2.6/boot.img - somewhere on your bootserver? |
| 16:08.24 | Jos | or just a normal users password |
| 16:08.31 | sidewalk | xingu: yes, that's the file |
| 16:08.59 | xingu | sidewalk: and, I'll make some assumptions, but is it parked under 192.168.0.2:/tftpboot/boot.img |
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| 16:09.44 | sidewalk | xingu: yes, and under /srv/tftp/ |
| 16:09.49 | _moro_bana_ | Jos: user password he forgot |
| 16:09.59 | abrotman | _moro_bana_: login as root and change the user's password |
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| 16:10.04 | xingu | sidewalk: ok; grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 16:11.04 | xingu | sidewalk: I'm particularly looking for - (in.)tftpd /tftpboot line |
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| 16:11.09 | Jos | _moro_bana_: use 'passwd <user>' |
| 16:11.12 | sidewalk | tftpdgramudpwaitnobody/usr/sbin/tcpd/usr/sbin/in.tftpd /tftpboot/ |
| 16:11.22 | xingu | sidewalk: ok perfect |
| 16:11.22 | doooomx | hi there |
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| 16:11.38 | _moro_bana_ | Jos: he is even not sure of the user login |
| 16:11.43 | Jos | lol |
| 16:11.55 | Jos | you can look it up in /etc/passwd |
| 16:11.55 | _moro_bana_ | Jos: yeah real lol |
| 16:11.57 | abrotman | _moro_bana_: then how the hell does he know he forgot his password? |
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| 16:12.14 | Jos | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-2.6.18-4-486&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 16:12.15 | Jos | huh |
| 16:12.19 | Jos | I can't download the file? |
| 16:12.21 | xingu | sidewalk: so there's already something askew; where you have in your dhcpd config: filename "/srv/tftp/boot.img" |
| 16:12.26 | Jos | nor thru apt and not through the site |
| 16:12.35 | xingu | sidewalk: just use: filename "/boot.img" |
| 16:12.35 | abrotman | Jos: no .. because etch is on -6- |
| 16:12.44 | \amethyst | What's the proper way to add a patch to an existing bug report when one is not the submitter? |
| 16:12.51 | sidewalk | xingu: yep |
| 16:12.53 | Jos | abrotman, i've got the -4- kernel |
| 16:12.53 | xingu | sidewalk: instead; that trailing /tftpboot on the tftpd line in inetd.conf makes tftpd chroot() to that dir. |
| 16:12.54 | wd | just installed etch but kernel isn't loading |
| 16:12.57 | _moro_bana_ | abrotman: you see, he doesnt now which one he forgot to put this straight, he has been putting in diff words |
| 16:13.01 | abrotman | Jos: and etch is on -6- |
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| 16:13.07 | Jos | hmpf |
| 16:13.09 | doooomx | i get this msg when i login my box-alias screen='TERM=screen screen' |
| 16:13.09 | \amethyst | I thought Tag: patch at the top of the email would do something, but apparently not... did it need to be in the headers? |
| 16:13.15 | Jos | so I should upgrade my kernel ? :p |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | _moro_bana_: login as root .. find the username and change the password |
| 16:13.19 | doooomx | cancel the above |
| 16:13.24 | xingu | sidewalk: can you fix the dhcpd/bootpd config, bounce bootpd, then restart w/ tcpdump going again? |
| 16:13.35 | sidewalk | yep, hold on |
| 16:13.38 | xingu | sidewalk: we need to iterate on this point until the RRQ line changes to RRQ "/boot.img" |
| 16:13.41 | \amethyst | or should I send 'tag #### +patch' to request@bugs.debian.org? I've already sent the patch in a message to the bug |
| 16:13.44 | doooomx | i get this msg when i login my box - -bash: /etc/login.defs: Permission denied |
| 16:14.07 | doooomx | this is after i edited my bashrc and bash_profile to add an alias |
| 16:14.12 | doooomx | any ideas? |
| 16:14.15 | wd | how can i get kernel to load after new install of etch? |
| 16:14.19 | \amethyst | doooomx: what are the perms on /etc/login.defs? should be 644 |
| 16:14.27 | solemnwarning | What MLM would be best to use for a couple of simple mailing lists? |
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| 16:14.44 | doooomx | i think it is 600 |
| 16:15.04 | solemnwarning | I've not had any luck with mailman and sympa is a huge resource whore |
| 16:15.13 | abrotman | mailman is good |
| 16:15.55 | sidewalk | 18:15:41.437971 IP 192.168.0.9.13503 > 192.168.0.2.69: 516 RRQ "/boot.img" octet ^J ^\ M-^?M-^?M-^?M-^?M-^?M-^?M-^?M-^? |
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| 16:16.21 | xingu | sidewalk: perfect; next, lets do some loopback tftp on 192.168.0.2 itself |
| 16:16.30 | xingu | sidewalk: you should have a tftp client there (just called tftp) |
| 16:16.37 | xingu | sidewalk: so cd /var/tmp (or similar) |
| 16:16.39 | sidewalk | yep |
| 16:16.46 | xingu | sidewalk: then "bin" "get /boot.img" |
| 16:16.53 | xingu | sidewalk: see if that works (ie fetches the file) |
| 16:17.06 | doooomx | \amethyst i thought 600 offers more security |
| 16:17.07 | xingu | err |
| 16:17.15 | xingu | sidewalk: "tftp 192.168.0.2" to start with obviously |
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| 16:17.27 | sidewalk | Error code 2: Access violation |
| 16:17.34 | abrotman | doooomx: it's still wrong |
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| 16:17.42 | xingu | sidewalk: ok; chmod 755 /tftpboot; chmod 644 /tftpboot/boot.img |
| 16:17.44 | wd | hey guys debian site isn't seeding me *img's.. click and see. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 16:17.46 | xingu | sidewalk: then retry the tftp again |
| 16:18.07 | xingu | sidewalk: (in.)tftpd typically runs euid=nobody, egid=nogroup |
| 16:18.43 | sidewalk | okey, i removed the initial / |
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| 16:18.47 | sidewalk | and i got the file |
| 16:18.53 | xingu | sidewalk: oh excellent, you have _that_ tftpd |
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| 16:18.58 | wd | abrotman: guys debian site isn't seeding me *img's.. click and see. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 16:19.10 | xingu | sidewalk: fix the path in dhcp config options to exclude the leading / then and try again |
| 16:19.23 | wd | abrotman: how can i get *.img's? |
| 16:19.45 | xingu | sidewalk: nb, on this host do _not_ leave this tftpd running past its use-by. |
| 16:19.56 | danielsh | have a DNS problem: 'ping' can resolve names, 'wget' can't. What could it be? |
| 16:19.57 | hoxu | wd, works fine, fix your browser, and don't address people when you've just asked the question from the whole channel |
| 16:20.04 | sidewalk | shit my brains out, it's loading :D |
| 16:20.10 | sidewalk | xingu: thanks alot |
| 16:20.12 | xingu | cool |
| 16:20.18 | sidewalk | now i think i can install it :D |
| 16:20.29 | xingu | next problem will be wrestling with nfs probably |
| 16:20.39 | sidewalk | oh |
| 16:21.00 | xingu | but hopefully it'll just work from here on in (nothing too odd about nfsv2 setups, they're much of a muchness, the install howto should chapter'n'verse it for you) |
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| 16:22.07 | abrotman | wd: install etch, not sarge |
| 16:22.23 | doooomx | i changed the permissions to 644 and still i get the same error |
| 16:22.31 | sidewalk | xingu: it's "loading additional components" :D |
| 16:22.43 | wd | hoxu: thanks. i used weasel and ephiphany when i click on *.img i get characters across screen bot dl option. |
| 16:22.50 | xingu | sidewalk: totally cool, that means this boot image has the whole debian installer, you should be set from here |
| 16:23.09 | xingu | sidewalk: I'm just about to go break my home wlan and move it from wep to wpa2/tkip, so I'll be back in a bit. |
| 16:23.11 | hoxu | wd, uh, right click on the link and save it |
| 16:23.26 | wd | abrotman: i have pI laptop, 40 meg ram 547 hd..http://www.jorymil.com/geeky_stuff/420cdt.php |
| 16:23.35 | abrotman | wd: install etch, not sarge |
| 16:24.23 | solemnwarning | etch will run fine on that, I've got etch running on an embedded 486 with 16MiB of RAM as a logserver |
| 16:24.25 | wd | abrotman: i installd etch last night and i rebooted and i get kernel menu i choose it, i get grub and i stops at savedefault. |
| 16:24.44 | abrotman | it might justtake awhile |
| 16:24.57 | solemnwarning | Although I'm using a custom kernel with pretty much everything stripped out |
| 16:25.31 | doooomx | any ideas for my permission denied issue? |
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| 16:26.07 | wd | abrotman: something i notice the kernel in /boot well i had help last night and i was told to partition just root / and /swap don't recall partitioning a /boot . |
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| 16:27.29 | Wyzard | wd: That just means your /boot directory is on the root filesystem rather than on its own partition |
| 16:27.37 | wd | abrotman: i'm coming grom gentoo sorry..ok |
| 16:27.56 | wd | Wyzard: hey do u ever go home? haha.. thanks |
| 16:28.08 | Wyzard | wd: I am at home... it's a weekend |
| 16:28.09 | abrotman | wd: the sarge floppies are there |
| 16:28.09 | wd | Wyzard: well sleep that is,. |
| 16:28.20 | Wyzard | wd: and it's early afternoon where I am |
| 16:28.44 | doooomx | i changed the permissions to 644 and still the same |
| 16:28.48 | wd | abrotman: ok. i was wondering if etch was base was too big.. but channel told last night to get etch. |
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| 16:29.09 | wd | abrotman: it will fit on 500 mg partition. |
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| 16:30.04 | jaj | Hi! I was wondering, if you use source packages, can you then specify alternate build flags? |
| 16:30.17 | jaj | for example I'd like to have imagemagick without X11 support |
| 16:30.35 | jaj | every other package has X11 as a dependency |
| 16:31.13 | danielsh | Does anyone have an idea? Problem is: ping can resolve DNS names; telnet, curl, and wget cannot |
| 16:32.10 | \amethyst | jaj: you can by editing debian/rules. One issue to keep in mind is that packages that depend on imagemagick might assume it has X11 support |
| 16:33.01 | WaffleMatt | I think if you're building a machine without X11 I'll assume its for something like use with CGI scripts, where it wouldn't matter. |
| 16:33.05 | \amethyst | danielsh: does host www.debian.org work? What about getent hosts www.debian.org ? |
| 16:33.18 | jaj | WaffleMatt: that's right |
| 16:33.19 | sidewalk | xingu: erasing data takes along time on a c3600 ;-) |
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| 16:33.51 | danielsh | \amethyst: they both work |
| 16:34.06 | WaffleMatt | jaj, I just dragged the packages imagemagick wanted on my machine and didn't care, its only a few more bytes of disk space :-p |
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| 16:35.14 | \amethyst | danielsh: but wget http://www.debian.org/ does not? |
| 16:35.36 | jaj | WaffleMatt: yeah but it really annoys me that debian package always have a whole bunch of seamingly superfluous dependencies |
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| 16:36.03 | WaffleMatt | Don't let me get caught saying it here, but thats what the gentoo people were going on about USE flags :-p |
| 16:36.08 | danielsh | \amethyst: does not work; says "failed: Name or service not known.\nwget: unable to resolve `http://www.debian.org'" |
| 16:36.20 | \amethyst | danielsh: does env | grep -i proxy produce any output? |
| 16:36.26 | jaj | like python-twisted also needs X11 and loads of other stuff, even though it's a networking library |
| 16:36.30 | danielsh | \amethyst: no |
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| 16:36.50 | \amethyst | danielsh: hmm... I wonder if it's ipv6-related maybe |
| 16:36.55 | danielsh | \amethyst: relevant background: my /etc files may be slightly corrupted (crash. long story) |
| 16:37.01 | danielsh | \amethyst: only ip4 here |
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| 16:37.36 | Ward1983 | i recently changed from OABI to EABI on my PDA, everything works perfect except the touchscreen, it has a very low resolution, allthough it worked perfectly under OABI, what can be the problem? im using the same kernel |
| 16:37.47 | Ward1983 | xorg.conf is also the same |
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| 16:38.31 | \amethyst | danielsh: can you strace -o wget.strace.out wget http://www.debian.org/ and put the resulting wget.strace.out in a pastebin? |
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| 16:38.44 | \amethyst | danielsh: strace is in the package of the same name, if you don't have it |
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| 16:38.49 | danielsh | \amethyst: yes, one second please |
| 16:38.57 | danielsh | \amethyst: have it and ran it already. |
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| 16:39.06 | danielsh | \amethyst: but I can't install packages right now because wget doesn't work! |
| 16:39.13 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:39.27 | \amethyst | unless you have whichever CD strace is on :) |
| 16:39.47 | \amethyst | woohot! |
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| 16:40.34 | danielsh | worst case, scp $university:/usr/bin/strace . (university runs debian too) |
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| 16:43.44 | \amethyst | my (one-character) patch has already been applied and uploaded, about half an hour after submitting it |
| 16:44.02 | xingu | cool, that was even relatively easy. |
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| 16:44.48 | aidehua | I'm backporting a package from etch to sarge. What should I suffix to my version number to stop my sarge -> etch upgrade breaking? |
| 16:44.53 | aidehua | "~somethingN"? |
| 16:45.21 | DaRtH_VaDeR | hi, i've got a question, how can i make a real purge for an application ? |
| 16:46.11 | danielsh_ | pasted wget.strace.out to http://208.68.18.97/999436 |
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| 16:49.16 | aidehua | Ah: I *do* need to append "~something<N>". |
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| 16:51.35 | abrotman | DaRtH_VaDeR: huh ? |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | \amethyst: that's a great patch :) |
| 16:51.56 | \amethyst | danielsh: what does grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf say? |
| 16:52.27 | DaRtH_VaDeR | abrotman, i need to purge iceweasel, but with apt-get --purge remove iceweasel there are some files that doesnt delete |
| 16:52.28 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :| |
| 16:52.34 | danielsh_ | \amethyst: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 (is this good?) |
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| 16:52.56 | \amethyst | danielsh_: try changing it to hosts: files dns |
| 16:53.03 | abrotman | DaRtH_VaDeR: such as? |
| 16:53.05 | danielsh_ | tries |
| 16:53.09 | \amethyst | looks like some kind of avahi crap |
| 16:53.20 | DaRtH_VaDeR | abrotman, config files |
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| 16:53.32 | \amethyst | DaRtH_VaDeR: which ones? |
| 16:53.36 | DaRtH_VaDeR | bookmarks and all that stuff |
| 16:54.01 | \amethyst | DaRtH_VaDeR: oh, purging packages doesn't remove files from home directories |
| 16:54.18 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :/ |
| 16:54.22 | danielsh_ | \amethyst: It works now. Thank you very much! |
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| 16:55.03 | Slidey | ive got a strange network problem - my card can see the link go up and down, autoneg's 100/full, but cant communicate with anything.. |
| 16:55.14 | abrotman | DaRtH_VaDeR: such as? |
| 16:55.22 | Slidey | anyone seen that before ? |
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| 16:55.43 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i've got a problem i can get flashplayer works, and i dont know why! iceweasel uses 98% of my CPU... and i wanted to fix that reinstalling :P |
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| 16:55.50 | abrotman | it's flash |
| 16:56.46 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i've tried with flashplugin-nonfree, flash-mozilla , and manually installation but nothing works :S |
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| 16:58.05 | Slidey | anyone ? |
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| 17:01.17 | \amethyst | DaRtH_VaDeR: i386 or amd64? |
| 17:01.27 | DaRtH_VaDeR | i386 |
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| 17:04.09 | ma3x | is there acpi support channel? |
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| 17:06.20 | cyberagent | How can I see which program is using what port? For example port 25 lists as smtp, but what smtp program is starting that service??!?? |
| 17:07.04 | wd | is swap suppose to be primary/logical? bootable or not? |
| 17:07.08 | stew | cyberagent: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 17:07.19 | stew | wd: doesn't matter |
| 17:07.23 | wd | stew: ty. |
| 17:07.25 | Wyzard | wd: doesn't matter, and no, not bootable |
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| 17:07.35 | wd | Wyzard: ok. |
| 17:07.46 | Slidey | netstat -tlnp |
| 17:07.46 | NickPresta | cyberagent, perhaps netstat -nap? |
| 17:07.50 | wd | Wyzard: had to do reinstall. |
| 17:07.55 | cahoot | does linux ever care about bootable? |
| 17:07.57 | Wyzard | wd: Even your root filesystem shouldn't be marked bootable in most cases, actually, though it rarely matters |
| 17:08.12 | Wyzard | cahoot: no |
| 17:08.36 | stew | cahoot: there are bootloaders in debian that do, but not the most commonly used ones |
| 17:08.42 | wd | Wyzard: noway. really. not bootable? doesn't it have to be recognzd on bootup? |
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| 17:09.02 | stew | wd: grub and lilo don't pay any attention to the bootable flag |
| 17:09.34 | Wyzard | wd: The bootable flag indicates that the partition's boot sector contains boot code... which, in the typical case where you put GRUB in the MBR, it doesn't |
| 17:09.35 | wd | stew: so take bootable flag off? |
| 17:09.42 | stew | wd: doesn't matter |
| 17:09.47 | wd | stew: ok |
| 17:09.53 | cahoot | stew: Wyzard ok - thanks |
| 17:10.28 | Wyzard | wd: It doesn't matter to grub, since grub doesn't look at the bootable flag anyway, but the DOS/Windows MBR does, and if it saw that flag, it would try to boot the partition by loading and running its first sector |
| 17:10.35 | wd | stew: i remember in gentoo doing 3 parts.. here i'm told i don't need a /boot.. safe yea just to have / and swap |
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| 17:10.43 | Wyzard | wd: which wouldn't work since there's no bootloader there |
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| 17:10.49 | wd | Wyzard: oh |
| 17:11.30 | Wyzard | wd: so, the bootable flag is commonly set on Linux system partitions because most people don't realize what it actually means, but it's technically incorrect to do :-) |
| 17:11.44 | wd | Wyzard: k |
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| 17:13.09 | wd | Wyzard: i have a 543 hd on this old laptop. auto config did / 350mg, swap 65mg, /home 128..i changed it to / 477 and swap 65mg i should be fine right? |
| 17:13.53 | Wyzard | wd: depends entirely on how much you install |
| 17:14.40 | wd | Wyzard: i'm thinking base install maybe fluxbox, term, dillo email client that's it. |
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| 17:14.59 | Wyzard | I have no idea whether that'll fit... I don't memorize package sizes |
| 17:15.08 | Wyzard | Try it and find out :-) |
| 17:15.12 | wd | Wyzard: ty. i understand. |
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| 17:20.14 | _ZeuZ_ | grrr... screw FreeBSD 7.0 |
| 17:20.23 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 17:20.50 | bipolar | 0.o |
| 17:21.09 | _ZeuZ_ | ein? xD |
| 17:21.28 | Skratz0r | WEWT |
| 17:21.32 | _ZeuZ_ | somebody watned me to install freeBSD over a laptop with ATI card... xorg won't load configuration for it's own |
| 17:21.38 | _ZeuZ_ | and drivers locked up the entire system |
| 17:21.44 | _ZeuZ_ | did not even write the logs |
| 17:22.12 | _ZeuZ_ | gonna install this "individual" kFreeBSD and change the lsb and issues files so he doesn't realize that |
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| 17:23.00 | DimmuR | hi all anyone here tried to install pcmcia wifi card dwl-g650 on debian etch? |
| 17:23.19 | _ZeuZ_ | DimmuR: once, Madwifi helped me then |
| 17:23.42 | DimmuR | _ZeuZ_, did you manage to run it? i'm just starting with wifi and debian |
| 17:23.48 | abrotman | DimmuR: do you know the chipset that is in the card? |
| 17:25.06 | _ZeuZ_ | DimmuR,m yes I did |
| 17:25.16 | DimmuR | abchirk, seems that is Atheros |
| 17:25.21 | _ZeuZ_ | I just compiled the module for madwifi-ng and then fetched the firmware |
| 17:25.23 | abrotman | !madwifi one-liner |
| 17:25.27 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 17:25.27 | dpkg | i heard madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 17:25.53 | cyberagent | How can I see which program is using what port? For example port 25 lists as smtp, but what smtp program is starting that service??!?? |
| 17:26.02 | Skratz0r | netstat -an |
| 17:26.05 | Skratz0r | Or portscan yourself |
| 17:26.06 | DimmuR | thanks for pointing me abrotman and _ZeuZ_ |
| 17:26.11 | Skratz0r | cyberagent; telnet 127.0.0.1 25 |
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| 17:26.32 | abrotman | cyberagent: fuser -n tcp 25 .. netstat -anp .. and also lsof |
| 17:26.36 | abchirk | Hey where is my beer abrotman |
| 17:26.57 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 17:26.57 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Spaten Optimator for abchirk |
| 17:26.59 | DimmuR | _ZeuZ_, one more question - did you manage to run it in wpa-psk mode? |
| 17:27.03 | abchirk | :)) |
| 17:28.52 | _ZeuZ_ | DimmuR |
| 17:28.57 | _ZeuZ_ | yes |
| 17:30.00 | _ZeuZ_ | wpasupplicant is needed, and wpagui can help you with that if you use X |
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| 17:38.12 | seeds | how can use alias to create a shortcut? |
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| 17:39.03 | seeds | for instance running cd /tech/rtl8187b/./wlan0up with one letter or phrase? |
| 17:39.09 | abrotman | alias newcommand='foo -wfafeafe' |
| 17:39.09 | ido-- | how do i add a swap partition ? |
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| 17:39.37 | seeds | thnx abrotman |
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| 17:43.44 | seeds | works |
| 17:44.42 | Guillaum3 | greets gents. i need somekind of web-admin tool. they basically want different user accounts, each with his own dir available via ftp. |
| 17:45.00 | Guillaum3 | i need something to easily set this up. please. any ideas? |
| 17:45.38 | fir3_ | is there somthing like ntcfg2(arch) for debian? (network management with profiles/lan/wlan/wpa/wpa2) |
| 17:46.19 | Guillaum3 | is that an answer in question form? |
| 17:46.32 | Guillaum3 | you know, like jeopardy. |
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| 17:46.59 | abrotman | !info netenv etch |
| 17:47.04 | abrotman | and no .. i've never used it |
| 17:47.19 | Guillaum3 | !info netenv etch |
| 17:47.21 | dpkg | netenv: (Configure your system for different network environments), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.94.3-21 (etch), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 17:47.37 | abrotman | that was for fir3_ |
| 17:47.41 | Guillaum3 | so do i use nr1 or n2? |
| 17:48.05 | fir3_ | does netenv support wlan+wpa? |
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| 17:49.59 | Wyzard | fir3_: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ is packaged as "network-manager", "network-manager-gnome", and "network-manager-kde" |
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| 17:51.01 | abrotman | some day i'll try that thing :) |
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| 17:53.31 | strick22 | hows it going |
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| 17:54.33 | fir3_ | does networkmanager support network profiles? |
| 17:54.34 | keith4_ | wyzard! |
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| 17:55.16 | xingu | abrotman: and the day you do, the machines will rise up in revolt |
| 17:55.24 | abrotman | probably |
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| 17:55.38 | abrotman | i guess if i'm not changing networks .. what's the point |
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| 17:56.32 | varney | the volume control on xine doesn't seem to have any effect...i'm using etch with kde...any ideas why? |
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| 17:56.36 | Wyzard | fir3_: It doesn't have a notion of "profiles", but it keeps track of networks you've connected to in the past and auto-reconnects to them in the future |
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| 17:57.54 | Wyzard | keith4_: hello |
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| 18:06.42 | fir3_ | Wyzard: but what does it do if there are 2 networks available? i would prefer something with more control |
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| 18:08.17 | Wyzard | fir3_: If there's a wired connection available, it uses that; otherwise, it looks at the available wireless networks and uses the one that you've most recently connected to before |
| 18:08.42 | Wyzard | fir3_: You can always choose a different one from the menu, of course (and that'll make it the new most-recent, so it'll be preferred in the future) |
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| 18:09.37 | fir3_ | does it support static settings? (ip/gateway) |
| 18:09.58 | Wyzard | fir3_: Not yet, though that'll probably be added in the future |
| 18:10.24 | Wyzard | fir3_: The developers chose to focus first on typical laptop usage on typical networks (e.g. ones with DHCP) |
| 18:10.42 | DimmuR|off | i've installed dwl-g650 wifi card and used http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi to config it but when i try to bring it up i get "invalid command : set" (supose iwpriv) anyone can help with that? |
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| 18:13.17 | Kurt2x | is ftp.debian.org down |
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| 18:14.27 | streuner | Kurt2x: there are many mirrors, what TLD? |
| 18:15.00 | streuner | --- ftp.ca.debian.org ping statistics --- |
| 18:15.01 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 18:15.45 | fir3_ | Wyzard: but why didn't they reuse existing network managers/scripts for static configs? :o |
| 18:15.52 | Kurt2x | I can't apt update on ftp.debian.org |
| 18:16.03 | Kurt2x | any other good apt sources? |
| 18:16.08 | Kurt2x | ndlug doesn't work either |
| 18:16.26 | streuner | Kurt2x: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 18:17.23 | Kurt2x | http://paste.debian.net/1660/ |
| 18:17.59 | abrotman | Kurt2x: debian.org/mirrors/list .. pick a mirror near you |
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| 18:18.14 | Wyzard | fir3_: It doesn't use ifup/ifdown or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:18.28 | Wyzard | fir3_: (In fact, it ignores interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 18:18.29 | streuner | Kurt2x: deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free <-- try this |
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| 18:19.01 | streuner | abrotman: shawcable is .ca, isn't it? |
| 18:19.07 | abrotman | eh? |
| 18:19.16 | Wyzard | fir3_: Anyway, I think the main reason static configurations aren't supported yet is that the developers are tying to think of a good UI for managing them without being too complicated |
| 18:19.17 | abrotman | they're in a few places |
| 18:19.24 | Haris | streuner: yes, afaik |
| 18:19.28 | fir3_ | Wyzard: but that way it will never work with more advanced network configs like network bridges etc |
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| 18:19.36 | Wyzard | fir3_: NetworkManager is supposed to be "Just Works" and "does the right thing" as much as possible |
| 18:19.42 | streuner | abrotman: [Kurt2x] (n=IRC-God@S01060016b66bd8ef.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 18:19.50 | abrotman | yes .. but they're also in virginia for instance |
| 18:19.55 | streuner | oh |
| 18:20.05 | Wyzard | fir3_: It's not meant to solve everyone's advanced networking needs; it's meant to make it straightforward to use wired and wireless networking on PCs |
| 18:20.07 | streuner | Kurt2x: so in which country you hanging around? |
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| 18:20.58 | humbolto | is i386 debian really compiled for i386??? |
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| 18:21.12 | OBcecado | it's compiled on 80386 |
| 18:21.16 | abrotman | 486 |
| 18:21.24 | fir3_ | Wyzard: yep but it doesn't work if you have some other static config :/ |
| 18:21.42 | abrotman | i think gcc dropped 386 support awhile ago |
| 18:21.47 | abrotman | or maybe that was just the kernel |
| 18:21.57 | ceil420 | "expert install" pfft |
| 18:22.02 | Wyzard | fir3_: right, and static config is something that's sometimes needed on PCs, so they plan to support it |
| 18:22.04 | ceil420 | didn't even let me choose which DE i wanted :( |
| 18:22.08 | Wyzard | fir3_: once they figure out a good UI for it |
| 18:22.14 | abrotman | ceil420: uhm, not everyone wants a DE |
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| 18:22.29 | ceil420 | abrotman, yeah, but for those that do, we ought to be able to choose the one we want :p |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | ceil420: you can .. |
| 18:22.52 | abrotman | experts don't use tasksel .. if that's what you're referring to |
| 18:23.00 | ceil420 | abrotman, not from the net install. you just choose "Desktop Files" and it installs gnome and twm and something else |
| 18:23.09 | abrotman | yeah .. that's your fault .. don't use tasksel |
| 18:23.16 | humbolto | does anybody know a distro (best an apt based one) which is fully compiled and optimized for i586? I need to get the last bit of CPU out of my old Crusoe based Laptop! |
| 18:23.23 | ceil420 | if there was a way to manually select packages, i didn't see it |
| 18:23.39 | abrotman | you would skip tasksel and use aptitude later |
| 18:23.41 | ceil420 | (and i was looking for it) |
| 18:23.53 | Wyzard | humbolto: 586 and not 686? |
| 18:23.58 | abrotman | humbolto: ask ##linux or check the distrowatch.com or distro list at lwn.net |
| 18:24.00 | fir3_ | Wyzard: they could rip off the archassistant netcfg gui ;) http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/ArchAssistant?content=76760 |
| 18:24.03 | ceil420 | ah, so i shouldn't have chosen Desktop Files and just left it with Server? |
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| 18:24.12 | ceil420 | noted for next time |
| 18:24.13 | abrotman | i skip the whole of tasksel |
| 18:24.28 | Wyzard | humbolto: I doubt you'll find any well-supported distros with software pre-built like that, though you could use Gentoo |
| 18:24.28 | ceil420 | oh yeah, you can just go with core, huh? |
| 18:24.35 | ceil420 | should do that next time |
| 18:24.43 | streuner | abrotman: do you think you have a big advantage 586 vs. 386? |
| 18:24.46 | abrotman | yes, it will boot, and then in your case .. you'd `aptitude install kde xorg kdm` |
| 18:24.48 | abrotman | streuner: no |
| 18:24.57 | ceil420 | oh well, i just have a few hours of pruning packages ahead of me |
| 18:25.06 | abrotman | ceil420: aptitude remove gnome |
| 18:25.10 | ceil420 | no i wouldn't, because i hate KDE more than i do Gnome :p |
| 18:25.19 | abrotman | oh .. then aptitude install whateveryoufreakingwant |
| 18:25.23 | ceil420 | i'd `aptitude install xfce xorg gdm` |
| 18:25.27 | ceil420 | :p |
| 18:25.29 | abrotman | or that .. that'll work |
| 18:25.41 | ceil420 | actually, i wanna give awesomewm a shot |
| 18:25.56 | ceil420 | (but first, i need to finish setting up xchat) |
| 18:26.21 | ceil420 | also, i need to add me to sudoers <_< |
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| 18:29.28 | humbolto | streuner, abrotman: The problem I am having is, that I used to have a really fast debian sarge on that machine. Back in the days when my laptop was still fairly new. But the latest distros are very slow (Ubuntu) as they are optimized for i686. |
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| 18:29.54 | abrotman | humbolto: is there a question in there? |
| 18:30.21 | humbolto | abrotman: not exactly in there, but above. |
| 18:30.29 | Wyzard | humbolto: Debian isn't optimized for i686, aside from a few optional things like the -686 kernel variant and libc6-i686 |
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| 18:30.43 | abrotman | humbolto: i believe for a 486, but i can't recall .. there are kernels/libc6 for 686 .. but other than that |
| 18:30.48 | humbolto | abrotman: The question still is, how can I get the most out of my Crusoe Laptop? |
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| 18:31.27 | abrotman | humbolto: on ebay in the antique computer section? :) |
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| 18:32.29 | humbolto | abrotman: No, I like the thing. I would like to use it more like a Nokia N800. To play music, do instant messaging, ... not for working. Email maybe. |
| 18:33.08 | abrotman | humbolto: okay, so install debian ? |
| 18:34.15 | jelly-home | but it's not "optimized" |
| 18:34.26 | humbolto | abrotman: I actually have it on there already. |
| 18:34.44 | abrotman | okay |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | you can use apt-build to make "optimized" binaries if you really want |
| 18:34.59 | humbolto | so if I remove libc6-i686 the i486 variant will take action? |
| 18:35.23 | humbolto | abrotman: I know it does not make much sense for most apps. |
| 18:35.45 | abrotman | the crusoe is a -686 cpu |
| 18:35.57 | humbolto | abrotman: If I remember right, it was you who explained to me why, back when I purchased this laptop. |
| 18:35.59 | humbolto | abrotman: no |
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| 18:36.03 | humbolto | abrotman: not really |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | it's not a 486 |
| 18:36.23 | abrotman | right .. apt-build doesn't do much |
| 18:36.40 | humbolto | abrotman: I thought that too. But from what I read online, it is a i586 with some extensions |
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| 18:37.14 | Wyzard | humbolto: Even if you do have libc6-i686 installed, it won't be used if your CPU doesn't support all the necessary 686 instructions |
| 18:37.33 | hjb | What happened to the linux-image-*-k7 packages? |
| 18:37.42 | humbolto | Wyzard: That is exactly what I wanted to ask. |
| 18:37.49 | jelly-home | hjb: they are no more |
| 18:38.04 | hjb | jelly-home :( |
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| 18:38.08 | hjb | jelly-home Why that? |
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| 18:38.18 | hjb | jelly-home What should i use now? |
| 18:38.23 | jelly-home | hjb: 686 |
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| 18:38.45 | hjb | jelly-home Yeah, but the 686 chockes up and trows kernel panics on my machine |
| 18:39.00 | humbolto | does gcc support optimizations for crusoe processors? |
| 18:39.04 | Wyzard | hjb: then that's a problem you need to troubleshoot, because that shouldn't happen |
| 18:39.18 | hjb | Wyzard Hmm... |
| 18:39.44 | humbolto | the kernel does have a crusoe selection. |
| 18:39.47 | Wyzard | humbolto: doesn't look like it |
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| 18:39.56 | hjb | Wyzard Am i right, that i need to attach a second machine via serial port to catch those kernel messages before syslog is running? |
| 18:40.16 | jelly-home | hjb: if you have a 64-bit capable cpu, you can also try -amd64; however you might have issues using third-party kernel modules |
| 18:40.31 | hjb | jelly-home no, it's 32 bit machine |
| 18:40.45 | humbolto | what is the best way to compile the latest debian kernel with all modules and the default debian config. I just want to enable the crusoe optimizations. Do I need to checkout the sources via git? |
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| 18:40.58 | ultratotor | hello |
| 18:41.28 | hjb | ultratotor hello :) |
| 18:41.39 | Wyzard | humbolto: I wouldn't expect it to make much difference |
| 18:41.39 | ceil420 | so much configuring to do :x i keep trying to do Xfce/e16 stuff in gnome >< |
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| 18:42.00 | humbolto | Wyzard: from what I remember it was performing better. |
| 18:42.14 | humbolto | Havn't used it for a long time |
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| 18:43.06 | ultratotor | how i can run only a redesktop windows with xinit ? |
| 18:43.18 | ultratotor | have a execution option in xinit ? |
| 18:43.25 | ultratotor | i have etch |
| 18:43.34 | Wyzard | redesktop? |
| 18:43.39 | ultratotor | rdesktop |
| 18:43.41 | hjb | rdesktop? |
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| 18:43.52 | Haris | Driver 'osst' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 18:43.52 | Haris | Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 18:43.53 | ultratotor | rdesktop or other soft |
| 18:43.56 | Haris | I get this in dmesg |
| 18:44.00 | ffm | How do I check to see how much space is left on a drive? |
| 18:44.07 | Wyzard | ultratotor: Are you using startx? |
| 18:44.07 | hjb | ffm df -h |
| 18:44.08 | a-atwood | df -h |
| 18:44.09 | Haris | what does this mean? it comes when it is probing for scsi hard drives |
| 18:44.20 | ffm | hjb, merci |
| 18:44.33 | hjb | ffm np ;) |
| 18:44.40 | Wyzard | ultratotor: startx /usr/bin/rdesktop (args...) |
| 18:45.26 | Wyzard | Haris: That means the driver is using a deprecated kernel API and the developers need to modify it to use the newer bus_type API, whatever that is |
| 18:45.27 | ultratotor | wyzard, sometime i work in console, but wanna go in rdp windows server, and i wanna a windows commande for have a rdesktop only |
| 18:45.27 | humbolto | is flash still in debian. didn't I read something that it has been removed in lenny? |
| 18:45.28 | ffm | hjb, any idea what would cause http://pastebin.ca/999546 |
| 18:45.31 | Wyzard | Haris: shouldn't affect you as a user |
| 18:45.42 | ffm | hjb, I get the same issue when I update or try to upgrade |
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| 18:45.58 | Haris | Wyzard: well, the box is running =) |
| 18:46.04 | humbolto | what is there: main contrib non-free ....? |
| 18:46.07 | Wyzard | Haris: right; you can ignore the message |
| 18:46.33 | Wyzard | Haris: It doesn't indicate anything being actually broken, and unless you're a developer working on that driver, there's nothing you can do about it |
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| 18:46.41 | osmosis | Is awstats the the best apache log file analysis tool? |
| 18:47.22 | xingu | !mmap |
| 18:47.22 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 18:47.37 | Haris | Wyzard: Yep, I know |
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| 18:48.24 | hjb | ffm hmm, no idea. I would just do rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* and then aptitude update; aptitude autoclean |
| 18:48.46 | ffm | hjb, aptitude is wayyyy too slow on this MIPSel processer. |
| 18:49.23 | ffm | hjb, plus, I get "E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 18:49.23 | ffm | " after I ran your command. |
| 18:49.27 | hjb | ffm ok, then apt-get update ;-) |
| 18:49.43 | hjb | /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 18:49.46 | hjb | Hmm |
| 18:49.52 | ffm | hjb, yeah, that file is missing. |
| 18:50.01 | hjb | mk |
| 18:50.09 | hjb | ffm mkdir partitial? |
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| 18:50.32 | ffm | hjb, thanks. |
| 18:50.35 | wd | i'm installing sarge.. don't scream..well every site i'm trying to access is failing.. it says maybe do a apt-get update.. so do i cancel apt-config and move on? |
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| 18:51.01 | ultratotor | wyzard ok with startx i go test thkx |
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| 18:51.19 | stew | ffm: /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 18:51.44 | stew | hjb: please don't tell people to remove directories from /var when you are guessing at a solution |
| 18:51.53 | ffm | stew, thanks. |
| 18:52.02 | stew | ffm: you'll have to mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/partial |
| 18:52.09 | ffm | stew, I did. |
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| 18:52.22 | hjb | stew i just used to do that a lot of times when building a very small installation of debian |
| 18:52.30 | hjb | stew but after all, you're right |
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| 18:52.44 | hjb | stew atoh, i told ffm, that it was just a guess |
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| 18:53.27 | stew | hjb: please don't guess |
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| 18:53.50 | hjb | stew Sometimes a guess is better then no answer at all? |
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| 18:53.59 | dvs | hjb: no way |
| 18:54.08 | hjb | dvs ok |
| 18:54.20 | Wyzard | /var/lib/apt/lists/partial isn't exactly essential data though |
| 18:54.26 | stew | hjb: no, and in this case, he had already been given the correct answer |
| 18:54.37 | hjb | stew Yes? |
| 18:54.40 | stew | hjb: yes |
| 18:54.45 | dvs | yeah? |
| 18:54.46 | Wyzard | Removing it should be harmless, aside from possibly having to re-download a few kilobytes next time "apt-get update" is run |
| 18:55.31 | wd | trying to config apt during install, are there any sarge sites to access deb archives? |
| 18:55.33 | hjb | stew Oh, ok. I've missed it, because "dpkg" bot didn't put his name in front :-/ Sorry my fault |
| 18:55.39 | ffm | stew, what's a sensible APT::Cache-Limit; for a machine with 265064k ram? |
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| 18:55.46 | hjb | btw. why doesn't dpkg put it's name in front? |
| 18:56.34 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? On startup, I get a message that gnome-settings-daemon was unable to start. Running gnome-settings-daemon in terminal I get Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon and Could not acquire name. How can I resolve this issue? |
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| 18:56.56 | stew | Wyzard: it breaks apt-get, and gains nothing |
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| 18:57.31 | ntefd | anyone know about the 'server instrumentation' for pgadmin on postgresql? |
| 18:57.35 | stew | ffm: whatever makes the error go away, however that error is usually an indication that have more sources in sources.list than you need. perhaps you have some duplicates? |
| 18:57.39 | Wyzard | stew: Deleting the partial directory shouldn't break apt-get afaik |
| 18:57.40 | hjb | stew Why doesn't apt-get just create it if it's not there? |
| 18:57.49 | Wyzard | stew: Deleting the whole lists directory would, of course |
| 18:57.50 | ntefd | is there a package for it? |
| 18:57.54 | hjb | Wyzard It doesn't break anything |
| 18:58.03 | stew | Wyzard: 14:47 < ffm> hjb, plus, I get "E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 18:58.10 | Wyzard | ah |
| 18:58.20 | stew | hjb: i don't konw |
| 18:58.21 | Wyzard | yeah, that is pretty silly on apt's part |
| 18:58.25 | hjb | stew I've answered on that that he should just create it, than |
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| 18:58.28 | ffm | stew, http://pastebin.ca/999568 is my current sources list. What can I safely trim? |
| 18:58.29 | Wyzard | It should just create it |
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| 18:58.40 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 18:58.42 | AssociateX | <----4th day with Debian |
| 18:58.54 | hjb | Wyzard I think so, there's no harm in creating it, if it's not there |
| 18:59.07 | dvs | is mirrors.debian.org even a source site? |
| 18:59.11 | stew | hjb: i'm sure a patch would be welcome |
| 18:59.20 | dvs | Oh it's kernel.org |
| 18:59.37 | wd | Wyzard: do you have a sarge mirror i can use? apt config during install can't fetch any sites. |
| 18:59.39 | AssociateX | I have debian up and running but /usr/src/ is empty, |
| 18:59.46 | dvs | ffm: Why are you using unstable? |
| 18:59.47 | stew | hjb: if you are running unstable there is probably little use in having sources for stable |
| 18:59.52 | hjb | stew i'll put it on my to-do list ;) right after finishing my diploma thesis |
| 18:59.53 | abrotman | stew: it would be a trivial patch, i'd guess it's that way for a reason |
| 18:59.55 | ffm | dvs, I'm not, technically. |
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| 19:00.07 | ffm | dvs: APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 19:00.08 | Wyzard | wd: should be the same as any etch mirror, but with "sarge" instead of "etch" |
| 19:00.20 | Wyzard | wd: but mirrors might be dropping it since it's no longer supported... why are you installing sarge? |
| 19:00.23 | abrotman | AssociateX: there's nothing wrong with that |
| 19:00.24 | stew | ffm: if you are running stable, you shouldn't be installing packages from unstable |
| 19:00.38 | hjb | stew Hmm? stable? |
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| 19:00.50 | hjb | stew Are you talking about ffm? |
| 19:01.02 | ultratotor | i have a knoppix install, and get etc package, but my laptop is middle german middle french, and i wanna french |
| 19:01.18 | ultratotor | set-language-xxx no change the variable |
| 19:01.31 | wd | Wyzard: my etch install failed.. old laptop.. very old. i'm using a 2.4.27-3 kernel booted of floppy images. |
| 19:01.34 | stew | ultratotor: please go to #knoppix for help with knoppix |
| 19:01.39 | stew | hjb: yes sorry |
| 19:01.55 | hjb | stew np, just confusing ;-) |
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| 19:02.03 | AssociateX | abrotman: uname -r shows 2.6.18-6-686 , how do I get the sources for it or the lastest debian source if it's debian patched .... I just want to build my own |
| 19:02.08 | ffm | stew, How do I look at what packages I have from unstable installed without using APT, since apt is currently broken? |
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| 19:02.29 | wd | Wyzard: can't get apt config it suggest i do apt-update so do i stop and go to finish install and skip this apt config? |
| 19:02.37 | abrotman | AssociateX: that is the latest |
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| 19:02.55 | stew | ffm: apt-show-versions |
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| 19:03.05 | ffm | stew, And can I replace security.debian.org with a mirror? |
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| 19:03.14 | stew | ffm: there isn't one |
| 19:03.23 | ffm | stew, So I _have_ to use it? |
| 19:03.26 | Wyzard | wd: dunno offhand, and I'm not inclined to try to figure it out since sarge is obsolete |
| 19:03.34 | AssociateX | abrotman: which one of these is it: aptitude search 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:03.47 | stew | ffm: you only have to use it if you want to get security updates |
| 19:03.49 | ffm | stew, "debian.osuosl.org" |
| 19:03.51 | abrotman | why are you building your own ? |
| 19:03.56 | ffm | stew, *"sudo: apt-show-versions: command not found |
| 19:03.56 | ffm | " |
| 19:04.13 | hjb | stew Who should not wan't to get security updates? |
| 19:04.23 | AssociateX | abrotman: to slim it down |
| 19:04.29 | stew | hjb: nobody |
| 19:04.30 | jelly-home | AssociateX: you don't need debian's patches, you can use the source from kernel.org |
| 19:04.46 | abrotman | AssociateX: not really worth your time .. it's not going to load modules it doesn't need |
| 19:04.46 | ffm | stew, that command doesn't exist. |
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| 19:04.58 | ffm | stew, why arn't there mirrors of security updates? |
| 19:05.01 | AssociateX | jelly-home: but I would prefer to stick using debian tools |
| 19:05.03 | stew | ffm: you'd need to install it |
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| 19:05.15 | ffm | stew, using... apt. |
| 19:05.24 | stew | ffm: ye |
| 19:05.25 | stew | yes |
| 19:05.26 | ffm | stew, can I just comment out the unstable repos for now? |
| 19:05.27 | stew | ffm: or dpkg |
| 19:05.36 | stew | ffm: are you running stable or unstable? |
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| 19:05.42 | stew | ffm: what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 19:06.07 | jelly-home | AssociateX: you can create a kernel package from vanilla sources using debian tools |
| 19:06.10 | ultratotor | what soft create the variable in env cmd ? |
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| 19:06.18 | ultratotor | where is ? |
| 19:06.22 | AssociateX | abrotman: ok, thanks for the info. |
| 19:06.27 | abrotman | !fr |
| 19:06.27 | dpkg | fr is, like, Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:07.10 | jaggz1 | I need a video player (for wmv, avi, etc.) gxine keeps crashing when I try to play this video and other programs (gmplayer, kaffeine) seem to use xine's engine. |
| 19:07.24 | ffm | stew, and I find out using... apt? |
| 19:07.38 | hjb | jaggz1 Mplayer is not using xines engine |
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| 19:08.11 | hjb | jaggz1 you may try mplayer, but you said that gmplayer is crashing, too |
| 19:08.12 | jaggz1 | kaffeine very nicely lets you select the engine -- but the embedded players don't play the .avi (.wmv was crashing in xine, so I converted it to .avi with ffmpeg and had a bit more success.. but now it's crashing.. only differently) |
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| 19:08.29 | hjb | jaggz1 what about vlc? |
| 19:08.31 | jair | grrrrrrrrr! #$%^ I had my usb drive 300GB already partitioned with ext3 "hdb1" connected to an stupid laptop, and by mistake I though that was the drive of the laptop I press "D" and "L" in windows disk installation, I did not select format or install, just the MBR was deleted. Is there a way i can resinstall the partition table without loosing the data? |
| 19:08.39 | hjb | jaggz1 vlc used to play just everything |
| 19:08.47 | jair | I have a lot of data on that drive including backups |
| 19:08.49 | jair | :( |
| 19:08.55 | stew | ffm: yes, "apt-cache policy libc6" would tell you in 'Installed:' |
| 19:08.56 | jair | I am second to start crying |
| 19:09.02 | hjb | jair Do you have a copy of the mbr? |
| 19:09.09 | jair | a copy? |
| 19:09.11 | jair | no |
| 19:09.16 | hjb | jair How many partitions were on that drive? |
| 19:09.20 | jair | just one |
| 19:09.24 | jair | hdb1 |
| 19:09.27 | Wyzard | jair: Run fdisk on it and recreate the partition with the same starting and ending cylinders as before |
| 19:09.32 | hjb | jair Then just recreate that with fdisk |
| 19:09.41 | jair | hmm |
| 19:09.43 | jaggz1 | got it.. gmplayer was failing the video output -- it works if I use gmplayer -vo x11 |
| 19:09.49 | jair | it will not erase anything? |
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| 19:09.58 | Wyzard | jair: should be pretty easy if if was a whole-disk partition |
| 19:09.58 | jelly-home | jair: recreate the partition table with cfdisk, fdisk or whatever, ought to just work |
| 19:09.59 | hjb | jair no |
| 19:10.04 | dvs | jair: the partition table. ;-) |
| 19:10.10 | Wyzard | jair: no, the partition table is just some numbers in the first sector |
| 19:10.13 | jair | the data is there the only thing is that I can not see "/dev/hdb1" like before |
| 19:10.26 | Wyzard | jair: Deleting one doesn't actually touch the contents of the disk region where the partition was |
| 19:10.27 | jaggz1 | hjb, I like vlc. I'll give it a shot as it's been very good in the past (I forgot about it). |
| 19:10.36 | jair | alright |
| 19:10.40 | jair | so i have cfdisk |
| 19:10.43 | jair | and fdisk |
| 19:10.49 | jair | which one should I use |
| 19:10.54 | Wyzard | whichever you prefer |
| 19:10.59 | hjb | jair And in future keep backups of your partition tables ;-) (Hint: sfdisk -d) |
| 19:11.02 | jaggz1 | on a separate note: I wish VLC let you skip around in stored (ondisk) streams. I can't get it to work. |
| 19:11.06 | Wyzard | Ideally, use the same one you used before, so you can follow the same process you did last time |
| 19:11.09 | jair | I think the time I create this disk partition I used fdisk |
| 19:11.18 | jair | hjb: I will |
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| 19:11.22 | Lethalman | hello |
| 19:11.24 | jaggz1 | that is, I capture a stream and save it and when I watch it back I can't skip forward -- I have to fast forward only :( and if it hits the end it quits. |
| 19:11.24 | Lethalman | i've a problem with grub |
| 19:11.29 | Lethalman | i'm creating a usb pendrive |
| 19:11.40 | jair | I will try now the creation of the hdb1 |
| 19:11.45 | Lethalman | if i do grub-probe -d device -m mapfile it founds the system |
| 19:11.55 | ffm | stew, yeah, I get the mmap error. |
| 19:12.03 | hjb | jair I once lost a partition table of a disk which 8+ partitions on it :-@ Since that time i'll always keep backups |
| 19:12.05 | Lethalman | but if i issue grub-install --root-directory=myroot --no-floppy '(hd1)' i get this error |
| 19:12.10 | Lethalman | grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdf3. Check your device.map. |
| 19:12.20 | hjb | jair But there are tools out there which can recover partition tables |
| 19:12.26 | Lethalman | i don't know if it doesn't find the right device.map |
| 19:12.29 | jair | hjb: the thing is that this external drive is my backup drive :( |
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| 19:12.33 | hjb | jair That way i've got them back that time |
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| 19:12.47 | jair | hjb: hold on |
| 19:12.52 | ffm | stew, I increased the value by *100, so we'll see.. |
| 19:13.11 | jaggz1 | the other bothersome issue is that vlc doesn't let you watch a stream while it's capturing it.. so I have to capture it in one vlc, then watch the on-disk file with a separate one. Then there's the issue of it hitting the end of the stream and quiting |
| 19:13.25 | jair | alright I am runnind fdisk and when I tell fdisk to "p" print it shows the partition table "/dev/hdb1" |
| 19:13.33 | ultratotor | ok bye |
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| 19:13.40 | ffm | stew, Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 19:13.47 | Lethalman | anyone? :( |
| 19:13.59 | jair | and it shows start (1) end (30401) |
| 19:14.01 | ffm | stew, I think I'm running etch. |
| 19:14.13 | jair | hjb: that means that is there :) |
| 19:14.15 | jair | wow |
| 19:14.19 | jair | I was very scared |
| 19:14.27 | hjb | jaggz1 Hmm, never used it to capture something. I just know that it plays everything and streaams fine to my tv receiver ;-) |
| 19:14.49 | jair | hjb: so all i need to do is: "w"? |
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| 19:14.59 | jair | hjb: write table to the disk and exit? |
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| 19:15.09 | stew | ffm: then i'd recommend you remove the unstable lines. if you want to install software from unstable, you should be using backports: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:15.15 | hjb | jair yes, that's it |
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| 19:15.24 | hjb | jair but no warrenty ;-) |
| 19:15.24 | jair | :) |
| 19:15.28 | jair | hahaha |
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| 19:15.31 | jair | let me try |
| 19:15.38 | Symbi0nt | Hi shour question I have apache2 installed on debian .. where should be the file which has all the LoadModule directives in it? |
| 19:15.49 | vjoe | to install a Apache mod, it's just move the file from the mods-available directory to the mods-enabled directory? |
| 19:15.50 | hjb | jair The partition table is stored at the mbr, so your data should be save |
| 19:15.56 | dvs | Symbi0nt: there isn't one |
| 19:15.58 | jair | ok |
| 19:16.00 | jair | hmm |
| 19:16.04 | hjb | jair You are on x86, are you? |
| 19:16.07 | dvs | Symbi0nt: it's called /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 19:16.07 | jair | yes |
| 19:16.21 | Symbi0nt | dvs : i'll check that .. thank you |
| 19:16.26 | dvs | np |
| 19:16.27 | hjb | jair Just don't create extended partitions, then you are safe |
| 19:16.28 | jair | alright |
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| 19:16.39 | jair | I just did "w' |
| 19:16.42 | hjb | jair fs still there? |
| 19:16.45 | dvs | vjoe: and no, you don't move the file, you just create a sym link |
| 19:16.47 | jair | "w" and exit |
| 19:16.57 | moparisthebest | i am trying to allow mod_evasive (apache) to null route attacking IPs, but the command needs ran as root, how can i do that when apache is running as www-data |
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| 19:17.05 | jair | but it told me that will be using the new one at the next re boot |
| 19:17.13 | vjoe | dvs, hm... |
| 19:17.19 | vjoe | and do I have to make a .conf file too? |
| 19:17.25 | dvs | vjoe: no |
| 19:17.27 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? I get a message that gnome-settings-daemon was unable to start. Running gnome-settings-daemon in terminal I get Failed to acquire org.gnome.SettingsDaemon and Could not acquire name. How can I resolve this issue? |
| 19:17.27 | moparisthebest | i dont really want to let apache run as root though |
| 19:17.30 | vjoe | ok |
| 19:17.43 | Wyzard | jair: The kernel can't reload a modified partition table on-the-fly if anything is using the device |
| 19:17.44 | hjb | jair You said that it's usb drive |
| 19:17.49 | Wyzard | jair: That's why you have to reboot |
| 19:17.54 | wd | anybody have a debian sarge us mirror? |
| 19:17.55 | hjb | jair Nothing mounted, / not on it? |
| 19:17.57 | jair | Wyzard: hold on |
| 19:17.59 | jair | no no |
| 19:18.10 | jair | I almost do a disaster here guys |
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| 19:18.17 | hjb | jair then the new partition table is ok |
| 19:18.17 | jair | ohhh my GOD |
| 19:18.27 | hjb | jair ? |
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| 19:18.42 | Symbi0nt | Hmm I shall load an .so file "LoadModule mod_authz_svn.so" .. the file is there but below mods-available there is'nt an authz_svn.load or so |
| 19:18.44 | jair | I almost destroy the partition on LVM I have a hdb1 and the usb is sdb |
| 19:18.55 | jaggz1 | hjb, streams to tv receiver? |
| 19:19.11 | jair | my god all i need is a group of you guys with shutguns and shoot me right in the face |
| 19:19.13 | ffm | Anyone have any idea why netselect-apt reports that there is only one mirror to choose from? |
| 19:19.14 | wd | what's the command to tell me which version of sarge i have? |
| 19:19.18 | hjb | jaggz1 I have a digital cable receiver which can receive streams from my pc |
| 19:19.20 | jair | I don't know what I did |
| 19:19.32 | ffm | wd, there's only one iirc. |
| 19:19.36 | jair | I will restart the machine make sure everything comes up ok |
| 19:19.39 | jair | my GOD |
| 19:19.39 | moparisthebest | how do i run a command as root from a daemon that isnt running as root? |
| 19:19.45 | enouf | !version |
| 19:19.45 | jair | I am a disaster |
| 19:19.45 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 19:19.51 | shze | i have random xserver crashes on key presses in konqueror, which bring me back to kdm. i'm on lenny. what can i do? startx output is at http://pastebin.com/m349bb3c6 |
| 19:19.55 | hjb | jair ohm, reboot's maybe not a good idea |
| 19:20.05 | Wyzard | jair: Did you actually change any partitions when you ran fdisk? |
| 19:20.09 | sepski | moparisthebest, sudo ? (prefereably as spesific as possible) |
| 19:20.09 | hjb | jair at least if you've really destroyed something |
| 19:20.20 | jair | hmm |
| 19:20.42 | enouf | shze: maybe #debian-kde (though it's more a dev channel) |
| 19:20.51 | jair | well the crazy thing is that I now really really need to save the USB drive since I have a backup of the computer I just altered the partition |
| 19:21.07 | jair | guys this is not your fault this is me and been an idiot |
| 19:21.08 | moparisthebest | sepski, but this is another program (apache) that i want to execute a command as root every now and then, so i cant use sudo right? |
| 19:21.15 | jair | anyway |
| 19:21.19 | hjb | jair Which partition tables have you altered now? |
| 19:21.20 | jair | this is what I need guys |
| 19:21.28 | sepski | moparisthebest, you need to see a doctor |
| 19:21.37 | jair | this is what I did let me go and paste things |
| 19:21.38 | jair | one sec |
| 19:21.41 | hjb | jair The one of your USB disk or the one of the host? |
| 19:21.50 | shze | enouf: thx, i'll try |
| 19:21.51 | jair | the one on the host :( |
| 19:21.56 | jair | one se |
| 19:21.57 | hjb | jair ohh |
| 19:22.00 | jaggz1 | gmplayer's interface sucks. any interface that doesn't have an expandable-width position bar needs some loving. |
| 19:22.01 | jair | one moment pleaseeeeeeeeeee |
| 19:22.03 | Wyzard | jair: You can fix the partition table on hdb using fdisk too |
| 19:22.15 | moparisthebest | whats another alternative then sepski ? |
| 19:22.24 | jaggz1 | okay.. afirc, watching lesson. :) |
| 19:22.24 | hjb | Wyzard But he's got no backup |
| 19:22.27 | jair | I need to start pasting things for you guys to see that I will not damage anything else. |
| 19:22.36 | sepski | moparisthebest, if you can run a command, you can use sudo |
| 19:22.38 | enouf | wtf is an "expnand-able-width-position-whatever" ? |
| 19:22.49 | ntefd | hi |
| 19:22.54 | moparisthebest | sepski, but then you have to type a password |
| 19:22.56 | sepski | moparisthebest, but running something as root from the apache user. is horrible |
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| 19:22.59 | ntefd | someone told me I need contrib/adminpack, |
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| 19:23.04 | moparisthebest | apache cant do that |
| 19:23.13 | sepski | moparisthebest, not if you configure it not to ask the password man sudoers |
| 19:23.16 | ntefd | Do you know how to translate that package name to debianish? |
| 19:23.16 | dpkg | eagerly does you know how to translate that package name to debianish |
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| 19:23.25 | Wyzard | hjb: If it was a drive using LVM, it may have just been a single whole-disk partition |
| 19:23.30 | moparisthebest | sepski, how else can i null route ips from apache? |
| 19:23.42 | enouf | !find adminpack |
| 19:23.44 | sandman | Anyone here experience problems with Debian Etch Kqemu + Qemu + Full acceleration with, say, Debian Etch (again) as the guest OS? |
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| 19:24.06 | jair | Wyzard hjb jelly-home this is what I have right now =>http://paste.debian.net/1665/ |
| 19:24.09 | Wyzard | jair: Since the kernel wasn't able to reload the new partition table for hdb, since the disk is in use, assuming you haven't rebooted yet, you can recover the "old" partition information from /proc/partitions |
| 19:24.09 | hjb | Wyzard Oh, you're right. He talked about LVM |
| 19:24.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know why dpkg keeps responding to "do blahblahblah" without the ! or dpkg: ? |
| 19:24.22 | Wyzard | some of it, at least |
| 19:24.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'adminpack' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/doc/postgresql-doc-8.3/html/adminpack.html) in doc/postgresql-doc-8.3 ;; (/usr/lib/postgresql/8.3/lib/adminpack.so, /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/contrib/{adminpack.sql|uninstall_adminpack.sql}) in misc/postgresql-contrib-8.3. |
| 19:24.29 | ntefd | enouf: did you find something? |
| 19:24.33 | sepski | moparisthebest, show some info in the log. and parse the logs as root from cron and blackroute them |
| 19:24.40 | jair | Wyzard hjb jelly-home so I haven't reboot yet |
| 19:24.48 | sepski | atlest have SOME priveledge separation |
| 19:24.53 | jelly-home | Wyzard: how can the disk be in use? |
| 19:24.53 | moparisthebest | that isnt immediate though |
| 19:24.53 | enouf | see what dpkg said |
| 19:25.07 | hjb | jair don't reboot |
| 19:25.08 | enouf | seems postgresql related |
| 19:25.10 | Wyzard | jelly-home: Presumably the LVM partition is in use |
| 19:25.11 | jair | jelly-home: because I am an idiot |
| 19:25.58 | sepski | moparisthebest, make a daemon that liste on a port that block ip's |
| 19:26.02 | jair | jelly-home: I did fdisk "w" on the "host" hdb1 (active) thinking that was sdb = usb external (not active) |
| 19:26.07 | hjb | The /dev/dm-* devices are the LVM ones? |
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| 19:26.09 | jelly-home | jair: were you supposed to edit hdb or sdb? |
| 19:26.16 | jair | sdb |
| 19:26.17 | sepski | then use the script to feed addresses to that daemon. |
| 19:26.23 | sepski | just dont let apache do things as root |
| 19:26.29 | Wyzard | hjb: Those are LVM logical volumes, hosted on the LVM partitions on real disks |
| 19:26.35 | jair | is opening the window of his apartment ready to jump |
| 19:26.36 | moparisthebest | ah, good idea sepski thanks |
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| 19:26.47 | sepski | if someone get access to your machine it's VERY liekly it's thu some bad webcode and they get www-data privs |
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| 19:26.53 | hjb | Wyzard Never used LVM on Linux |
| 19:26.56 | sepski | nc would do it nicely |
| 19:27.05 | Wyzard | jair: but the partition on hdb seems to be an LVM one... did you actually modify that partition? |
| 19:27.18 | sepski | moparisthebest, google about it might allready be in exsistance |
| 19:27.19 | jair | think that falling from the 10th floor should be enough |
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| 19:27.29 | dvs | hjb: I use LVM... on Fedora. ;-) |
| 19:27.41 | ffm | how do I sort packages by what stream they came from? (stable/unstable) |
| 19:27.47 | jair | Wyzard: all I did was: fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 19:27.52 | jair | and then "w" |
| 19:27.52 | ffm | (in aptititude) |
| 19:28.04 | jair | so I do not know if did anything |
| 19:28.11 | Wyzard | jair: That's harmless then; you just read the current partition table and wrote it back |
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| 19:28.23 | jair | it showed me an error that the system was using the old partition |
| 19:28.30 | hjb | jair That error is ok |
| 19:28.35 | jair | alright |
| 19:28.39 | jair | ok |
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| 19:28.51 | jair | is stepping back from the window |
| 19:28.58 | hjb | jair now just do that with /dev/sdb |
| 19:29.03 | jair | ok |
| 19:29.06 | Wyzard | jair: fdisk tries to make the kernel reload the partition table regardless of whether you actually changed anything |
| 19:29.15 | jair | alright |
| 19:29.35 | jair | so now what should I do on /dev/sdb to recover "/dev/sdb1" |
| 19:29.40 | hjb | dvs I only used it on HP-UX and Solaris ;) |
| 19:29.50 | jelly-home | jair: create it? |
| 19:29.54 | Wyzard | jair: Recreate your partition like you tried to do before, just on the correct disk this time |
| 19:29.56 | jair | jelly-home: how? |
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| 19:30.10 | hjb | jair fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 19:30.11 | jair | I did fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 19:30.12 | jelly-home | jair: just like you did the first time |
| 19:30.13 | jair | ok |
| 19:30.15 | hjb | jair "n" |
| 19:30.17 | jair | ohhh |
| 19:30.19 | jair | ok |
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| 19:30.23 | hjb | jair Oh, no "c" |
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| 19:30.55 | hjb | jair "n" was right, sorry |
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| 19:30.57 | jair | hold on..... "c" or "n"? |
| 19:30.58 | jelly-home | hjb: solaris has lvm? |
| 19:31.13 | jair | please everybody this will save my life |
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| 19:31.23 | hjb | jelly-home I think so, but maybe i'm mixing up things with AIX |
| 19:31.27 | jair | otherwise I will jump through the window of my apartment :( |
| 19:31.35 | hjb | jelly-home It's been some time ago |
| 19:31.49 | hjb | jelly-home And a job with a lot of different unices |
| 19:31.50 | enouf | jair: please stop with the dramatics |
| 19:31.56 | simonrvn | it's just a computer, geez |
| 19:32.01 | jair | sorry |
| 19:32.06 | jair | I stopped |
| 19:32.14 | jair | so what should I do then ? |
| 19:32.15 | hjb | jair stopped what? |
| 19:32.21 | jair | the dramatics |
| 19:32.28 | jair | but I though about it though |
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| 19:32.39 | jair | I just though that was not really the only solution |
| 19:32.40 | hjb | jair "c" return return "w" should be enough |
| 19:32.56 | jair | hjb: hold on |
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| 19:33.17 | jair | c in fdisk with toggle the dos compatibility flag |
| 19:33.28 | hjb | jair man, i've meant "n" |
| 19:33.32 | hjb | jair sorry :-( |
| 19:33.47 | hjb | jair i always mix these up |
| 19:34.02 | jair | alright let's focus and be careful this time |
| 19:34.06 | jair | what should I do |
| 19:34.10 | Tramp | I thought his problem was, to restore the overwritten PT on hdb1 with information from /proc/partitions? |
| 19:34.13 | jair | "n"? |
| 19:34.18 | hjb | "n" |
| 19:34.24 | jair | 1) fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 19:34.27 | jair | 2) |
| 19:34.35 | jelly-home | 3) profit! |
| 19:34.40 | hjb | 2) "n" return return "w" |
| 19:34.44 | jair | ok |
| 19:34.47 | jair | doing it |
| 19:35.02 | hjb | jair but keeps your eyes open! |
| 19:35.05 | jair | please Wyzard if you have anything to say say it now same with jelly-home and hjb |
| 19:35.35 | ffm | Anyone have any idea why netselect-apt reports that there is only one etch mirror to choose from? |
| 19:35.37 | hjb | jair doing a "p" before "w" maybe? |
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| 19:36.05 | douglas_h | !help |
| 19:36.12 | abrotman | !tell douglas_h about ask |
| 19:36.15 | jair | hjb: http://paste.debian.net/1667/ |
| 19:36.28 | hjb | jair Oh, ok |
| 19:36.30 | jair | jelly-home Wyzard hjb this is what I have: http://paste.debian.net/1667/ |
| 19:36.31 | hjb | jair "p" |
| 19:36.34 | jair | ok |
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| 19:37.10 | jair | partition number ? or just press return? |
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| 19:37.21 | jair | I think is (1) of course |
| 19:37.30 | hjb | jair should be a sane default |
| 19:37.33 | hjb | jair 1 |
| 19:37.52 | hjb | jair first cylinder should than be 1 |
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| 19:38.14 | hjb | jair last whatever your drive offers |
| 19:38.35 | jair | hjb: http://paste.debian.net/1668/ |
| 19:38.41 | hjb | 36483 |
| 19:38.44 | academy | I'm currently trying to choose a final year project for my Comp Sci degree and I'm looking to contribute to an open source project. Is there anything that stands out that might me a good choice, whether it be porting something or writing something from scratch? I've been running linux and freebsd systems for many years, both commercially and non-commercially. |
| 19:38.48 | jair | hjb: ok |
| 19:38.49 | jair | now? |
| 19:38.51 | jair | "w" |
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| 19:39.09 | hjb | jair Which fs type do you have on that partition? |
| 19:39.22 | hjb | jair "p" |
| 19:39.34 | dvs | p's |
| 19:39.36 | jair | 83 |
| 19:39.37 | hjb | jair fat or some linux fs? |
| 19:39.42 | jair | ext3 |
| 19:39.52 | jair | linux fs |
| 19:39.52 | hjb | then 83 is ok |
| 19:39.54 | hjb | w |
| 19:39.55 | jair | ok |
| 19:40.01 | hjb | and then try to mount it |
| 19:40.46 | jair | hjb: http://paste.debian.net/1669/ |
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| 19:40.54 | jair | hjb: what do you think? |
| 19:41.03 | jair | hjb: I did not get any errors on this one |
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| 19:41.25 | hjb | jair That's ok, no errors because it's not in use |
| 19:41.31 | jair | ok |
| 19:41.33 | hjb | jair And try to mount ro first |
| 19:41.37 | jair | ok |
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| 19:42.29 | jair | so it will be as root: mount -ro /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive1 |
| 19:42.42 | hjb | jair no |
| 19:42.51 | hjb | jair mount -o ro ... |
| 19:42.54 | jair | ok |
| 19:43.00 | jair | I was just checking the man page |
| 19:43.03 | jair | ok |
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| 19:44.12 | jair | hjb: http://paste.debian.net/1670/ |
| 19:44.18 | jair | hjb: it looks like is there |
| 19:44.24 | wd | Wyzard: haha i see i have no ip when i do ifconfig/iwconfig.. my eth0 show info except ip.. /etc/init.d/network restart should work right? |
| 19:44.40 | jair | Wyzard hjb jelly-home Thank you very very much |
| 19:44.42 | hjb | jair looks good :-) |
| 19:45.01 | jair | do you giuys think that I should get the information out and recreate this drive again? |
| 19:45.01 | dpkg | refuses to do you giuys think that I should get the information out and recreate this drive again |
| 19:45.07 | Wyzard | wd: assuming your network interface is configured in /etc/network/interfaces, yes |
| 19:45.13 | hjb | jair no need to |
| 19:45.20 | jair | hjb: or it should not have problems eventually |
| 19:45.25 | jair | I see |
| 19:45.30 | Wyzard | wd: you could also just do "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" |
| 19:45.34 | jair | let me check that everything is there then |
| 19:45.43 | wd | Wyzard: ok |
| 19:45.43 | jair | I will remount with rw |
| 19:45.45 | hjb | jair Try a fsck on it to be sure, but the fs should have never been touched by what you'd done |
| 19:45.54 | Wyzard | wd: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" just does ifdown/ifup on all your interfaces, btw |
| 19:47.10 | wd | Wyzard: hmm i'm in file now and i "iface lo inet loopback" "iface eth0 inet dhcp" below that i have my wireless info... why isn't it connecting.. it did during install. darnit. |
| 19:48.04 | jair | hjb: you mean on the sdb1 or in the hdb1? |
| 19:48.18 | hjb | jair sdb1 |
| 19:48.18 | jair | hjb: I am restarting the machine now |
| 19:48.23 | jair | ohh ok |
| 19:48.32 | hjb | jair good luck |
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| 19:48.55 | jair | hjb: the server boot properly |
| 19:49.15 | hjb | jair :-) Great |
| 19:49.17 | jair | hjb: if I want to do a check of all the physical drives and partitons what should I run |
| 19:49.25 | jair | including the external usb srive] |
| 19:49.30 | dvs | fsck it |
| 19:49.30 | jair | usb drive |
| 19:49.41 | jair | so I should plug the external drive |
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| 19:49.57 | hjb | jair yes, plug it |
| 19:50.02 | hjb | jair and then fsck |
| 19:50.16 | jair | but if I want to check all th drives |
| 19:50.32 | dvs | fsck it all! |
| 19:50.51 | dvs | I don't think there's one command to check all the drives. |
| 19:50.55 | jelly-home | single user mode, fsck -f -a or something like that |
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| 19:51.01 | dvs | really? |
| 19:51.04 | scx | hello |
| 19:51.28 | hjb | jelly-home It's -A, not #a |
| 19:51.30 | jelly-home | er, -A |
| 19:51.46 | hjb | jelly-home The -a may cause things you don't want to happen ;) |
| 19:51.50 | jair | check my configuration => http://paste.debian.net/1671/ |
| 19:52.00 | jelly-home | is a proponent of rtfming before executing |
| 19:52.06 | scx | i have problem with framebuffer (debian testing/unstable, linux 2.6.24, nvidia, x.org 7.3) |
| 19:52.09 | jair | hjb: my partitioning => http://paste.debian.net/1671/ |
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| 19:52.27 | hjb | jair You're partitioning is ok, i think |
| 19:52.31 | dvs | jair: Disk /dev/dm-3 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 19:52.46 | hjb | jair else your server wouldn't come up, likely |
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| 19:52.47 | jair | those are the LVM device mapper |
| 19:53.03 | jair | dvs: that is LVM PE free |
| 19:53.05 | scx | when i modprobe vesafb, is say that module not found |
| 19:53.17 | scx | do you have vesafb.so in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/video? |
| 19:53.17 | dpkg | does you have vesafb.so in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/video |
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| 19:53.44 | nascentmind | hi |
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| 19:53.59 | nascentmind | in dhclient is there a vendor class id option? |
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| 19:54.35 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Probably... there are a lot of options you can set in dhclient.conf |
| 19:54.41 | jair | hjb: so I should do => shutdown -Fa now? |
| 19:54.59 | jair | then after everything is check on the host run fsck on the /dev/sdb |
| 19:55.00 | scx | why i haven't it (vesafb.so)? |
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| 19:55.05 | nascentmind | Wyzard, well I am not able to set up vendor class id info.. there is no cmd line option also.. |
| 19:55.14 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | hi all I have a web application that needs to have read access to the config file..however I do not want the config file to be readable through a web browser how should I set the permissions ? |
| 19:55.45 | hjb | jair hmm, sounds good. I wasn't aware of the -F option to shutdown, but i think that it should get the job done |
| 19:55.53 | hjb | jair And then manually fsck sdb1 |
| 19:55.58 | jair | right |
| 19:56.00 | jair | alright |
| 19:56.07 | jair | Thank you very much for all your help |
| 19:56.15 | jair | you guys saved me :) |
| 19:56.17 | dvs | don't thank him yet ;-) |
| 19:56.23 | jair | hahaha |
| 19:56.26 | Wyzard | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: Put it outside the server's DocumentRoot (assuming you're using apache) or configure the server to not serve that file (based on its extension or its whole name, e.g. using .htaccess) |
| 19:56.27 | hjb | dvs :-D |
| 19:56.31 | jair | I will check the file systems |
| 19:56.41 | hjb | jair Good luck again! |
| 19:56.48 | Wyzard | nascentmind: man dhcp-options |
| 19:56.56 | jair | ok |
| 19:56.57 | Wyzard | nascentmind: option vendor-class-identifier string; |
| 19:56.58 | jair | Thank you |
| 19:59.18 | nascentmind | Wyzard, no i cannot see it |
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| 20:00.58 | laylaaaaaaaaaaa | Wyzard, cant I just change the permissions somehow ? |
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| 20:01.16 | TCW | hi folks |
| 20:01.28 | TCW | "A nautilus extension allows to easily change the mount options which can be user, drive or volume specific." <- what the hell is the name of that extension? |
| 20:02.35 | Wyzard | laylaaaaaaaaaaa: The application is written in a server-based scripting language like PHP, right? |
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| 20:03.47 | nascentmind | Wyzard, and when i put it in dhclient.conf it says no option vendor-class-identifier ! |
| 20:04.24 | hjb | nascentmind Wyzard Are you talking about different versions of ifupdown ? |
| 20:04.36 | hjb | oh, i meant dhclient |
| 20:04.45 | abrotman | TCW: it's part of the package you're looking at it |
| 20:04.50 | abrotman | erm .. s/ it// |
| 20:04.51 | Wyzard | nascentmind: The dhcp-options manpage is in the dhcp3-common package |
| 20:05.12 | TCW | abrotman, it is? So how do I change the mount options then? |
| 20:05.21 | Wyzard | nascentmind: and vendor-class-identifier is documented in the manpage in etch (I just checked) |
| 20:05.21 | ffm | Is debian-volatile safe to use for production machines? |
| 20:05.27 | abrotman | TCW: uhm .. in nautilus ? |
| 20:05.33 | TCW | abrotman, yes |
| 20:05.41 | abrotman | i'm telling you to change it in nautilus |
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| 20:05.46 | abrotman | ffm: i think that's the point |
| 20:05.50 | asg | ffm: it is officially supported so yes |
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| 20:06.00 | ffm | asg, Ok. |
| 20:06.00 | TCW | abrotman, and I am asking you "where" in nautilus :) |
| 20:06.01 | Wyzard | nascentmind: You should already have dhcp3-common installed, since it's a dependency of dhcp3-client |
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| 20:06.25 | Wyzard | nascentmind: but if you're using an older version of Debian, you might have dhcp-client instead (which is version 2.x), and that might not support the vendor-class-identifier option |
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| 20:06.51 | asg | @wb |
| 20:06.52 | ravenbird | thanks, asg. It's good to be back. |
| 20:06.54 | jair | hjb: the usb drive was partitioned with XFS file system though |
| 20:07.11 | hjb | jair then use xfs_check |
| 20:07.18 | jair | hjb: because when I tried to run fsck /dev/sdb1 it told me that |
| 20:07.24 | abrotman | TCW: let's look at the docs! |
| 20:07.26 | jair | hjb: so should I label it? |
| 20:07.36 | hjb | jair no, 83 is ok |
| 20:07.42 | TCW | abrotman, docs? Fro gnome apps?! :) |
| 20:07.42 | jair | alright |
| 20:07.54 | rgr | I just noticed that I have a whole host of directories named after DVDs I have played in Debian in my /media directory. In each sub dir (e.g SOPRANOS) is a .created_by_pmount file. How do I make debian clean this stuf fup? |
| 20:07.57 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/gnome-mount |
| 20:08.09 | lydgate | mplayer isn't playing musepack files, although i have libmpc installed -- should it be able to? or do I have to recompile it or what? |
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| 20:08.18 | TCW | abrotman, I'll have4 a look too, but... in my experience, gnome documentation sucks like hell |
| 20:08.35 | abrotman | TCW: s/gnome// |
| 20:08.36 | jair | hjb: alright I will run that then "xfs_check /dev/sdb1" |
| 20:08.47 | hjb | jair right |
| 20:08.47 | lydgate | actually mpd won't play mpc either :( |
| 20:09.17 | nascentmind | Wyzard, how can i upgrade to the latest version? |
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| 20:09.26 | jelly-home | lydgate: mplayer from d-m is linked against libmpcdec and does the trick |
| 20:09.26 | TCW | abrotman, imho especially gnome docs suck |
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| 20:09.38 | abrotman | i usually don't use them .. |
| 20:09.39 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:09.53 | Wyzard | nascentmind: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:09.53 | lydgate | jelly-home: from d-m? |
| 20:09.53 | TCW | abrotman, me neither... exactly due to that! |
| 20:10.02 | jelly-home | !tell lydgate about d-m |
| 20:10.02 | jair | hjb: if I run => "xfs_check -v /dev/sdb1" what will happen? |
| 20:10.14 | jair | hjb: it will just show me all is doing? |
| 20:10.19 | simonrvn | mpd is the server, why would it start up mpc? |
| 20:10.26 | abrotman | TCW: normally don't need to ... but anyways |
| 20:10.37 | lydgate | jelly-home: ah, yeah. actually i think i'm using that version |
| 20:10.58 | jelly-home | simonrvn: mpc is the musepack codec in this context methinks |
| 20:11.04 | hjb | jair yeah, but as the manpage says it produces much too much ooutput and is only useful for developers |
| 20:11.07 | simonrvn | oh, heh =) |
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| 20:11.18 | jair | hjb: I see |
| 20:11.29 | jair | and I am watching all the output it is a lot |
| 20:11.33 | DexterF | I just build a new soft raid array on my debian etch file server. array is fine and all, but moving data to the server (via NFS) I get: "mv: closing <targetfile>: Input/output error". the file itself is ok tho, but the original isn't deleted. didn't happen on the old array, which was lvm2/xfs just the same |
| 20:11.33 | jair | hahaha |
| 20:11.39 | hjb | jair hehe |
| 20:11.43 | TCW | abrotman, I found a .po file for gnome mount where the texts I would think that are displyed there are shown... but NO idea how I do get there |
| 20:11.52 | hjb | jair the normal output is a little bit too less, though |
| 20:11.55 | jelly-home | lydgate: dpkg -s mplayer ... does it mention libmpcwhatever in the Depends: line? |
| 20:12.03 | hjb | jair it just finishes without ANY output :-D |
| 20:12.04 | jair | ye |
| 20:12.11 | jair | right |
| 20:12.19 | jair | xfs is very quick |
| 20:12.20 | Wyzard | DexterF: check syslog for error messages |
| 20:12.32 | jair | xfs is even quick on the creation of the file system |
| 20:12.36 | jair | seconds |
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| 20:12.51 | hjb | jair the only sad thing is that you can't shrink xfs |
| 20:13.10 | hjb | jair and that you can't boot with grub off of xfs formatted partitions :-@ |
| 20:13.13 | jair | right :( |
| 20:13.13 | TCW | abrotman, btw. I use sid |
| 20:13.15 | nascentmind | Wyzard, the latest |
| 20:13.24 | abrotman | TCW: man 1 gnome-mount ? |
| 20:13.27 | Wyzard | nascentmind: etch? |
| 20:13.29 | hjb | hjb i had that trouble today ;) |
| 20:13.34 | nascentmind | Wyzard, yes |
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| 20:13.50 | ricosecada | How do I see who is the maintainer for a specific package? |
| 20:13.50 | jair | I guess just for the purpose I am using it, store backups |
| 20:13.57 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Do you have dhcp3-client installed? |
| 20:14.00 | lydgate | jelly-home: yes, libmpcdec3 |
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| 20:14.26 | TCW | abrotman, there is written how to use gnome-mount on the command line |
| 20:14.27 | abrotman | TCW: that's all i could really find .. maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:14.34 | nascentmind | Wyzard, I just installed dhcp3-common |
| 20:14.44 | jelly-home | lydgate: how does it not work? |
| 20:14.47 | TCW | abrotman, already done that... VERY low traffic channel though |
| 20:14.59 | abrotman | on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 20:15.04 | jelly-home | lydgate: pastebin the output of mplayer foo.mpc |
| 20:15.07 | Wyzard | nascentmind: That won't help if you're not actually using dhcp3-client |
| 20:15.21 | nascentmind | Wyzard, k I will install that too then |
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| 20:15.38 | scx | how to install vesafb.so? |
| 20:15.42 | Tramp | hjb: you should be able to boot off xfs with grub just fine. Many people (like me) do. Maybe you're running an outdated grub? |
| 20:15.47 | TCW | abrotman, I think so... is gimp.net no the same? |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:16.10 | abrotman | maybe cause it's the weekend |
| 20:16.12 | nascentmind | Wyzard, should i use dhclient or dhclient3? |
| 20:16.18 | scx | how i can install vesafb.so? is it avaiable for debian with linux 2.6.24? |
| 20:16.23 | abrotman | TCW: the gnome-mount man page seems to mention how to change some stuff |
| 20:16.26 | hjb | Tramp I'm trying with grub2. Are you using grub-legacy? |
| 20:16.42 | Tramp | hjb: yes. Legacy 0.97 |
| 20:16.48 | enouf | scx: .so? is that related to xorg? |
| 20:16.49 | TCW | abrotman, yes... on the command line |
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| 20:17.06 | fas3r | i have partition in ext 3 . it's possible i convert it in LVM ? |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | it tells you how to alter gconf settings |
| 20:17.17 | scx | enouf: i want to run fb with vesafb.so |
| 20:17.18 | abrotman | or rather .. which ones? |
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| 20:17.30 | DexterF | Wyzard: hm, got a *truckload* of "nfs: server not responding, timed out" - guess I better reboot that server when the array is synced. |
| 20:17.31 | scx | enouf: (framebuffer) |
| 20:17.41 | enouf | scx: you want .ko |
| 20:17.43 | TCW | abrotman, yes, it does all that... on the command line, but I know there is a gui thing for exactly that! |
| 20:17.52 | lydgate | jelly-home: http://dpaste.com/47156 |
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| 20:17.58 | scx | yes, sry, my mistake |
| 20:18.02 | enouf | scx: modprobe -l | grep vesa |
| 20:18.05 | scx | vesafb.ko |
| 20:18.11 | hjb | Tramp Hmm, then i should switch. However, developers on #grub told me that grub2 should also be working fine with xfs. |
| 20:18.13 | lydgate | jelly-home: that file plays fine with mpc123 |
| 20:18.15 | Wyzard | nascentmind: dhclient is a symlink to dhclient3 |
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| 20:18.29 | scx | enouf: i haven't vesafb |
| 20:18.48 | hjb | hjb They told me to debug it :-) But no time and enough knowlege at my side ;) |
| 20:18.49 | enouf | scx: you compiled kernel? |
| 20:18.52 | Tramp | hjb: I'm really surprised it doesn't - though i never tried grub2. Sounds like a showstopper if it doesn't work with xfs. |
| 20:18.55 | scx | when i "modprobe vesafb" they say that module not found |
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| 20:19.11 | scx | enouf: no, it is standard ddebian kernel |
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| 20:19.29 | abrotman | TCW: there is the removable media options in the preferences |
| 20:19.35 | hjb | Tramp It's a wip. I'll at least help them now by giving them an image of my not working partition |
| 20:19.37 | enouf | odd .. |
| 20:19.38 | Wyzard | nascentmind: but you shouldn't be running dhclient manually anyway, so it doesn't matter |
| 20:19.52 | TCW | abrotman, I know... but there are NO settings refering to the mount options |
| 20:19.56 | nascentmind | nascentmind, how should i run it? |
| 20:20.03 | enouf | scx: is uvesafb.ko there? |
| 20:20.11 | scx | enouf: so can i install vesafb from apt? |
| 20:20.11 | hjb | Tramp Right now i''m figuring out where passwords and stuff are stored on it ;-P |
| 20:20.16 | enouf | scx: no |
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| 20:20.22 | abrotman | TCW: gnome hates you |
| 20:20.29 | Wyzard | nascentmind: it gets run automatically, e.g. by ifup |
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| 20:21.02 | Tramp | hjb: I once had a look at grub2 and to be honest - looked overly complicated to me. And, most of all, grub does what I want 8) |
| 20:21.06 | scx | enouf: http://wklej.org/id/a221148d53 |
| 20:21.20 | scx | it is ls /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-686/kernel/drivers/video |
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| 20:22.04 | Wyzard | Tramp: It's pretty simple to set up in Debian |
| 20:22.10 | TCW | abrotman, I would not go that far... it is just very poorly documented :) |
| 20:22.13 | jelly-home | lydgate: looks like mplayer doesn't detect it properly |
| 20:22.34 | scx | sry, i now use 2.6.24: http://www.wklej.org/id/3e640148a8 |
| 20:22.43 | scx | enouf: ^^ |
| 20:23.08 | scx | which fb i should use with nvidia binary driver? |
| 20:23.11 | hjb | Tramp I'd used Lilo before, so i just wasn't sure which one to choose and took the one with the higher version number :) Wrong choice. eventually |
| 20:23.17 | Wyzard | scx: vesafb |
| 20:23.29 | Wyzard | scx: nvidiafb conflicts with the xorg driver |
| 20:23.36 | nascentmind | Wyzard, k i changed the config file.. lemme restart and check... |
| 20:23.37 | enouf | scx: modinfo vfb.ko |
| 20:23.37 | scx | Wyzard: but i haven't vesafb, how to install it? |
| 20:23.38 | hjb | Tramp But the only change between legacy and the new one was, that the menu.lst is now called grub.conf |
| 20:23.42 | nascentmind | Wyzard, thanks for the help |
| 20:23.43 | Tramp | Wyzard: yeah, well, the setup may be. However, the philosophy (building/installing a customized set of modules or however they call the parts) just to boot a system looks complicated to me - at least for my requirements |
| 20:23.51 | scx | vfb is vesafb? |
| 20:23.53 | abrotman | TCW: guess it's altering via the CLI for you! |
| 20:23.53 | enouf | i doubt that's debian |
| 20:23.56 | Wyzard | scx: It's part of the standard kernel; you don't need to install it |
| 20:24.29 | TCW | abrotman, I doubt that this would be the only way |
| 20:24.31 | Wyzard | scx: just put the appropriate vga= and video= options in your kernel's options line |
| 20:24.46 | scx | Wyzard: "ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/video | grep -i vesa" = not found |
| 20:24.55 | extor | Is it just me or are prices of dedicated servers tumbling, while their bandwidth and specs are shooting up? |
| 20:25.12 | scx | Wyzard: it doesn't work for me |
| 20:25.20 | Tramp | hjb: I used lilo for something like 15 years, then switched to grub 2 or 3 years ago. So I'll stick to it for 8 more years, then re-evaluate. |
| 20:25.24 | abrotman | TCW: the man page doesn't have anything useful in the SEE ALSO thing |
| 20:25.27 | Wyzard | scx: It's built-in, not a module |
| 20:25.28 | jelly-home | lydgate: what happens if you mplayer -ac ffmpeg foo.mpc? |
| 20:25.52 | hjb | Tramp hehe, same thing here |
| 20:25.55 | TCW | abrotman, I know... I've read it on my own ;) |
| 20:26.07 | scx | Wyzard: but fbset -i say: |
| 20:26.17 | hjb | Tramp my switch happened after Lilo sucked so bad while i was traing to install it onto a CF Card |
| 20:26.18 | scx | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 20:26.21 | Wyzard | scx: You can't enable it after the system is booted |
| 20:26.31 | Wyzard | only at boot time |
| 20:26.43 | Wyzard | (That's why it's built-in rather than a module) |
| 20:26.49 | scx | i have artefacts when i using vesafb with usplash |
| 20:26.50 | hjb | hjb It just didn't work. Tried grub, worked out of the box. Switch done |
| 20:27.09 | Wyzard | vesafb's initialization requires some stuff to be done in real mode, before the CPU is put into protected mode, which happens very early in the boot process |
| 20:27.44 | jair | hjb: it should be save to do ctr-c to stop the xfs_check -v? |
| 20:28.02 | jair | there is a lot of output is been like 20 min already |
| 20:28.10 | hjb | jair i think so |
| 20:28.18 | hjb | jair it should only read things |
| 20:28.25 | scx | Wyzard: can you see this images below article?: |
| 20:28.26 | scx | http://debian.linux.pl/viewtopic.php?t=8252 |
| 20:28.32 | jair | you mean I should just leave it run |
| 20:28.58 | enouf | scx: if you add a vga=xxx line to your grub your should get vesafb support |
| 20:28.58 | scx | i have this bugs, when i use vga=XXX (in /boot/grub/menu.lst) |
| 20:29.03 | hjb | jair no, C.C is also ok |
| 20:29.13 | hjb | jair i guess it doesn't matter |
| 20:29.20 | Lethalman | hello |
| 20:29.26 | enouf | scx: usplash is buggy |
| 20:29.32 | scx | enouf: yes, it is running, but i have bugs |
| 20:29.32 | enouf | and worse |
| 20:29.34 | Lethalman | i'm using lh_build to create a usb pendrive with debian live |
| 20:29.39 | enouf | so disable it |
| 20:29.41 | Lethalman | but i get the following error: |
| 20:29.46 | scx | enouf: so what splash i sould use? |
| 20:29.47 | enouf | remove it - kill it |
| 20:29.48 | Lethalman | E: Package linux-image-2.6 has no installation candidate |
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| 20:29.49 | Wyzard | scx: yes, I can see images |
| 20:29.51 | enouf | none |
| 20:29.59 | Lethalman | aftergiving me a list of linux-image-* packages |
| 20:30.11 | Lethalman | i'm on amd64 but i'd like to create a i386 live |
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| 20:30.42 | Lethalman | i configured with lh_config -d lenny -b usb-hdd -a i386 -k 486 |
| 20:30.56 | scx | splashy not work with dmcrypt/luks, so i use usplash |
| 20:31.28 | jelly-home | scx: uh, don't use any splash? :-) |
| 20:31.29 | scx | Wyzard: it seems, that vesafb not wotking with my nvidia :-/ |
| 20:31.35 | enouf | scx: then maybe uvesafb might work better for you - i don't play with that splash crap |
| 20:31.38 | enouf | ;-) |
| 20:31.39 | jair | hjb: alright thank you |
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| 20:32.38 | scx | what is vfb.ko in /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/video? |
| 20:32.41 | Wyzard | scx: I use nVidia and vesafb works fine for me |
| 20:32.52 | Wyzard | scx: I don't use usplash |
| 20:33.02 | enouf | scx: modinfo |
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| 20:33.33 | hjb | jair np :) I'll leave now. Bye! |
| 20:33.52 | enouf | i wonder what fbcon does ;-) |
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| 20:36.50 | Lethalman | what's a "kernel flavour"? |
| 20:37.37 | \amethyst | Lethalman: a subarchitecture, like -486, -k7, -686, -xen-686, etc |
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| 20:37.47 | Lethalman | ok thanks |
| 20:37.51 | Lethalman | it doesn't work though |
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| 20:38.27 | Lethalman | i get this in the debian live chroot |
| 20:38.45 | vizzy | aaah, wtf? i installed a windows 2k, i still need it for some reason, and then i inserted the debian netinst cd. after setting up additional partitions, NOT deleting the one with ntfs (1st primary) i canceled installation (installer failed ?), and reboot. now my drive isnt bootable! i didnt touch it with a bootmanager, i canceled instalation before. |
| 20:38.49 | Lethalman | http://rafb.net/p/MtigpD36.html |
| 20:39.06 | simonrvn | probably just the mbr |
| 20:39.13 | vizzy | so what happened here? |
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| 20:39.34 | vizzy | simonrvn, you mean booting odd windows install cd and write the mbr stuff may help? i hope so |
| 20:39.39 | Lethalman | vizzy, install a linux bootloader or run windows safely and run fixmbr or such |
| 20:39.43 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 20:40.04 | vizzy | but why does this happen? |
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| 20:40.31 | vizzy | fixing means easy, but why did it happen? what does the installer write no my holy disk when i didnt set up bootmanager? why does it touch the mbr? |
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| 20:41.04 | vizzy | hmmm, maybe the crazy gui fdisk |
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| 20:41.13 | Zacaa | Hi |
| 20:41.22 | Zacaa | I want to download debian |
| 20:41.23 | vizzy | seems i better set up partitions with fdisk on a console, thats more safe! |
| 20:41.31 | Zacaa | could anyone help me with which cd to download? |
| 20:41.31 | Lethalman | vizzy, of course |
| 20:41.34 | vizzy | Zacaa, doit :) the netinst cd is all you need |
| 20:42.01 | Lethalman | Zacaa, there're several ways, offline installation, network installation, stable version or testing version |
| 20:42.21 | stew | Zacaa: will you be installing onto a machine with an internet connection? |
| 20:42.26 | Zacaa | when should the next stable version be released? :) does anyone know ? |
| 20:42.27 | vizzy | i would mention netinst first :) because its not wasting plastic dvd :) |
| 20:42.42 | Zacaa | yeah, haha maybe I should do netinstall :) |
| 20:42.43 | stew | Zacaa: when then number of release critical bugs is zero, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 20:42.56 | vizzy | Zacaa, it does not depend on the 'version' , but more or less to the repository you use |
| 20:42.57 | Lethalman | Zacaa, someone says freeze/release on september, but i don't remember well |
| 20:42.57 | Zacaa | cool thank you |
| 20:43.11 | Zacaa | Oh I see :) |
| 20:43.13 | Lethalman | anyone can help? |
| 20:43.18 | Zacaa | well I do have an internet connection |
| 20:43.20 | Zacaa | but |
| 20:43.29 | Zacaa | I can only access the local repos in South Africa |
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| 20:43.39 | vizzy | ? |
| 20:43.42 | Zacaa | are the South African repos suffient? |
| 20:43.55 | vizzy | is it a mirror? |
| 20:43.56 | Zacaa | sufficient* |
| 20:43.59 | stew | Zacaa: do you know if your machine would be able to get onto the internet using a stock debian kernel? (most wired counnections would be fine, many wireless would not) |
| 20:44.03 | Zacaa | not sure |
| 20:44.08 | sunmao | hi all |
| 20:44.19 | sunmao | sbdy use here pureftpd with mysql? |
| 20:44.20 | stew | Zacaa: yes, there are south african mirrors you could use for this |
| 20:44.23 | Zacaa | I'm wired yes but Im not too sure stew |
| 20:44.24 | jair | ok |
| 20:44.29 | Zacaa | oh, that's good :) I should do that then |
| 20:44.42 | Zacaa | I'm currently a windows user |
| 20:44.45 | jair | I have everything fairly under control with the backups and files |
| 20:45.07 | Zacaa | and I've downloaded the latest Ubuntu 8.04 but my nvidia drivers won't work using it, no matter what I do |
| 20:45.14 | Zacaa | so I thought about trying Debian out |
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| 20:45.20 | jair | is there an application GNU that we can use to backup 150GB of data to DVDs? concatenating it? |
| 20:45.52 | jair | for example let's say i have an image created on clonezilla or parted and partimage |
| 20:46.05 | jair | the size of the image is 30GB big |
| 20:46.06 | vizzy | Jaif, maybe one of the big backup apps can, dont know, what about arkeia? |
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| 20:46.18 | jair | so it down not fits on a DVD right |
| 20:46.19 | sunmao | sbdy use here pureftpd with mysql? |
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| 20:46.30 | vizzy | i dont remeber the names of the other, maybe armanda or so |
| 20:46.35 | Zacaa | so how does the netinstall work? how would I install it without writing a cd? |
| 20:46.41 | vizzy | sunmao, yes |
| 20:46.51 | sunmao | i haver a problem |
| 20:46.57 | sunmao | i used until now |
| 20:46.58 | vizzy | Zacaa, no, booting from cd and install from network. |
| 20:46.59 | jair | so is there something in linux that will start burning 4GB and then ask me for the next DVD 4GB |
| 20:47.02 | jair | and so on |
| 20:47.05 | stew | Zacaa: one could install using a usb thumb drive |
| 20:47.06 | sunmao | my ftp with /etc/passwd |
| 20:47.14 | sunmao | but i want to use mysql |
| 20:47.23 | enouf | visik7: the installer doesn't write anything to disk until atleast sometim after the partitioning stage, IIRC - that said, if you forced a non-clean shutdown anytime after that, it's possible things not desireable were done |
| 20:47.25 | sunmao | i configed pure-ftpd-mysql.conf |
| 20:47.26 | jair | that will run in Linux and then I can have my backups also in external media like the dvd? |
| 20:47.33 | sunmao | and i tried to start ftp |
| 20:47.38 | sunmao | but i got error |
| 20:47.44 | vizzy | what error? |
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| 20:47.48 | sunmao | mom |
| 20:47.50 | vizzy | www.pastebin.com <-- paste here |
| 20:47.51 | Zacaa | okay thanks i understand |
| 20:48.02 | sunmao | one row |
| 20:48.02 | sunmao | :D |
| 20:48.29 | enouf | jair: there are a few, but never personally used them |
| 20:49.16 | sunmao | /pure-ftpd-1.0.21# pure-ftpd -k 90 -A -B -X -x -c 30 -C 3 -E -I 15 -l mysql:/root/pure-ftpd-1.0.21/pureftpd-mysql.conf |
| 20:49.16 | sunmao | 421 Ismeretlen hiteles�t�si m�dszer: mysql:/root/pure-ftpd-1.0.21/pureftpd-mysql.conf |
| 20:49.44 | sunmao | this message in hungarian |
| 20:49.47 | sunmao | mom i translate |
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| 20:50.20 | sunmao | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.40 | Zacaa | what is the whole thing with Ubuntu and Debian? does anyone know how it works that Ubuntu is based on debian? |
| 20:50.40 | enouf | jair: one is "dirsplit", another is http://scdbackup.sourceforge.net/main_eng.html another http://www.serice.net/shunt/ .. and then you have the backup software that may/may not have abilities/wrappers built in, such as say backuppc, and such |
| 20:50.46 | Zacaa | and would anyone care to explain it :) |
| 20:51.54 | sunmao | vizzy |
| 20:51.59 | zinx | Zacaa: people modified debian and call it 'ubuntu'. |
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| 20:52.12 | Seb | i got a kernel oops i can see in dmesg, but not anywhere in /var/log/* |
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| 20:52.21 | Zacaa | modified to their own needs? more user friendly right? |
| 20:52.28 | Seb | how can i make sure everything i see in dmesg does end up in a log file ? |
| 20:52.31 | Seb | even the kernel oops |
| 20:52.40 | zinx | Zacaa: #ubuntu would be a better place to ask that |
| 20:53.18 | sunmao | vizzy: |
| 20:53.19 | sunmao | are u here? |
| 20:53.32 | Zacaa | it's just hard for me to tell if my nvidia drivers will work on debian because they don't want to work on ubuntu :/ |
| 20:53.46 | Zacaa | and if ubuntu is just a modified version of debian i wonder |
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| 20:54.01 | mimcpher | Zacaa, I've personally had trouble with ubuntu and nvidia |
| 20:54.06 | vizzy | sunmao, you mean authentication, not certification? or? |
| 20:54.08 | zinx | depends entirely on why they aren't working in ubuntu |
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| 20:54.09 | mimcpher | Zacaa, but its always worked fine in debian. |
| 20:54.10 | vizzy | gets some tea |
| 20:54.19 | Zacaa | thank you mimcpher :) |
| 20:54.19 | f0g | I'm trying to resolve a whole bunch of blocks and errors in aptitude. |
| 20:54.24 | f0g | I don't even really know where to start. |
| 20:54.25 | zinx | it's worth noting that Debian doesn't have any nVidia drivers in testing currently |
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| 20:54.32 | sunmao | vizzy |
| 20:54.33 | Zacaa | they give me this error: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 20:54.39 | sunmao | i cant translate |
| 20:54.40 | Zacaa | and nothing I do changes that |
| 20:54.44 | Zacaa | I've tried everything |
| 20:54.45 | zinx | (testing being a branch of debian, also called lenny) |
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| 20:54.57 | sunmao | 421 Ismeretlen hiteles�t�si m�dszer: mysql:/root/pure-ftpd-1.0.21/pureftpd-mysql.conf |
| 20:55.02 | mimcpher | Zacaa, you need nvidia-glx package |
| 20:55.10 | enouf | Seb: you likely need to setup a serial console |
| 20:55.10 | Zacaa | I've tried them all |
| 20:55.11 | Wyzard | Zacaa: That sounds like you've installed nvidia-glx (the xorg driver) but not the appropriate nvidia-kernel module for your running kernel |
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| 20:55.33 | mimcpher | Wyzard, Really? It sounds like the other way around to me. |
| 20:55.35 | Zacaa | oh yeah kernel module, I wonder how I could find out which one I wouldneed? |
| 20:55.41 | foo | A server went into read only mode. I'm seeing some IO errors. Should I reboot the server and back everything up off site? Should I not chance a reboot and backup stuff now? |
| 20:55.47 | zinx | Zacaa: ask in #ubuntu if you're using ubuntu |
| 20:55.53 | Seb | enouf: really ? |
| 20:55.54 | vizzy | sunmao, recheck your config |
| 20:55.57 | Zacaa | hahaha |
| 20:55.58 | Seb | enouf: no other way ?? |
| 20:56.03 | Zacaa | isn't linux linux? :( |
| 20:56.06 | foo | Hm, this is RAID 1, actually |
| 20:56.16 | sunmao | in |
| 20:56.18 | zinx | Zacaa: no, and Ubuntu's nVidia packages in particular are different from Debian's |
| 20:56.21 | Wyzard | mimcpher: If he didn't have nvidia-glx, xorg wouldn't be looking for nVidia anything |
| 20:56.24 | sunmao | pure-mysql.conf? |
| 20:56.30 | sunmao | or what kind of conf? |
| 20:56.33 | Zacaa | Oh all right thanks |
| 20:56.36 | mimcpher | Wyzard, excellent point. |
| 20:56.37 | enouf | Seb: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 20:56.40 | Zacaa | I still can't seem to get this right |
| 20:56.42 | Wyzard | mimcpher: "GLX" is the name for the OpenGL/X11 binding; it's not something specific to nVidia |
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| 20:56.57 | Zacaa | Wyzard: Could I pm you? |
| 20:57.01 | enouf | Seb: /msg dpkg sysrq ..but other than those, i think not |
| 20:57.02 | Wyzard | mimcpher: That message is nvidia's xorg driver trying to initialize its OpenGL support and failing to do so |
| 20:57.11 | zinx | Zacaa: we could give you the Debian answer, which would be m-a a-i nvidia, but that absolutely does not work in Ubuntu last i checked. |
| 20:57.12 | Wyzard | Zacaa: you don't need to |
| 20:57.20 | vizzy | sunmao, all confs :) , yes, espc. the mysql conf |
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| 20:57.31 | Wyzard | Zacaa: As for installing the kernel module, /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:57.31 | Seb | enouf: really, what does that have to do with my problem, though ? |
| 20:57.43 | zinx | Wyzard: he's using Ubuntu :/ |
| 20:57.52 | enouf | Seb: if you don't know, then don't worry about it ;-) |
| 20:57.53 | Seb | enouf: i'm asking how to get all dmesg output to a log file; you do know that dmesg is not only about boot-time msg, don't you ? |
| 20:58.00 | enouf | i told you |
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| 20:58.18 | vizzy | sunmao, thats my startingline: /home/pureFTP/sbin/pure-ftpd -A -c 100 -B -C 9 -d -d -D -E -f ftp -F /home/pureFTP/fortune -I 10 -l pgsql:/home/pureFTP/etc/pureftpd-pgsql.conf -L 20000:24 -m 1 -s -S [IP-ADDRESS],21 -T 256 -U 133:022 -u 1000 -i -1 -O clf:/home/LOGS/FTP/pureFTP.log -O stats:/home/LOGS/FTP/pureFTP.stats.log -O w3c:/home/LOGS/FTP/pureFTP.w3c.log -o -k 90 -Z |
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| 20:58.38 | enouf | might ssh from elsewhere |
| 20:58.40 | Seb | enouf: you actually haven't |
| 20:58.46 | Luke1704 | hello all |
| 20:58.50 | Zacaa | well thanks for your help :) |
| 20:58.50 | Seb | enouf: how will a serial console dump any dmesg output to a log file ? |
| 20:58.56 | zinx | Zacaa: fwiw it could be that you haven't changed the line that should say Driver "nvidia" |
| 20:59.01 | Zacaa | I'll probably be getting debian soon |
| 20:59.04 | sunmao | hmm |
| 20:59.12 | Zacaa | I tried that too :) |
| 20:59.14 | enouf | Seb: if you don't know, then don't worry about it ;-) |
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| 20:59.20 | zinx | Zacaa: rather than Driver "nv" or Driver "vesa" or whatever |
| 20:59.43 | Zacaa | Driver"nvidia" |
| 20:59.48 | Seb | enouf: the answer is, it won't |
| 20:59.50 | Zacaa | that's what my Driver line says |
| 20:59.58 | Zacaa | but the Boardname says "versa" |
| 21:00.01 | Zacaa | i wonder if thats ok? |
| 21:00.03 | zinx | Zacaa: your best bet's the ubuntu forums or #ubuntu, then :/ |
| 21:00.07 | Luke1704 | I need some help. I would like to install some packages with apt-get but often don't know the exact name. How can I search for the right name (glib-2.0 -> libglib2-dev)?) |
| 21:00.09 | vizzy | Zacaa, nvidia is for propertitary nvidia kernel |
| 21:00.15 | Seb | enouf: i'm not asking for a way to access that log msg through a serial console; i want my kernel oopses to be *logged to disk* |
| 21:00.23 | enouf | Seb: wrong .. again |
| 21:00.28 | Wyzard | Zacaa: BoardName doesn't matter |
| 21:00.37 | vizzy | the only way to get opengl was to install the properitary nvidia module |
| 21:00.37 | Zacaa | ok I see :) |
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| 21:00.54 | Seb | enouf: if oyudon't know how to get all dmesg output to be logged to a file, yo ucan just say so, it's ok |
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| 21:01.22 | TCW | abrotman, *lol* just guess where that stuff is hidden :) |
| 21:01.29 | enouf | and if you can't accept a correct answer, then move on |
| 21:01.35 | Tramp | !tell Luke1704 about search |
| 21:01.38 | abrotman | TCW: in the windows registry? |
| 21:01.53 | TCW | abrotman, windows? I guess I still use gnome :-P |
| 21:02.02 | abrotman | it was a joke |
| 21:02.05 | Luke1704 | yes, this would be very kind |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | i assume in hte gconf somewhere |
| 21:02.13 | Seb | enouf: those 2 dpkg factoids you gave me were totally out in left field, and you don't want to explain how a serial console will og my dmesg output to a file |
| 21:02.21 | Seb | enouf: so you're technically being of absolutely no help |
| 21:02.30 | Seb | s/og/log/ |
| 21:02.43 | abrotman | you can use the serial console as your logging console |
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| 21:03.10 | TCW | abrotman, you need to right-click on the DESKTOP icon of that drive and there click properties. THEN and just THEN there are the necessary tabs for those settings. If you right click the drive in nautilus filemanager thos tabs are missing |
| 21:03.12 | Seb | abrotman: but that won't log to file |
| 21:03.34 | Luke1704 | Thank you! |
| 21:03.34 | Tramp | Luke1704: well, the bot should have given you the information (maybe in another window of your irc client). If not, try "/msg dpkg search" |
| 21:03.34 | TCW | those even |
| 21:03.48 | \amethyst | Seb: what kind of oops are we talking about? |
| 21:03.55 | \amethyst | Seb: does it crash the system or keep going? |
| 21:03.59 | Seb | abrotman: i do have a serial console, but that's not what i'm asking about at all |
| 21:04.03 | Seb | \amethyst: it keeps going |
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| 21:04.37 | \amethyst | Seb: and it's not going into kern.log? |
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| 21:05.00 | abrotman | TCW: dumb |
| 21:05.11 | Seb | \amethyst: nope |
| 21:05.14 | abrotman | Seb: you can setup another machine to be your remote syslogd |
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| 21:05.59 | Seb | abrotman: i'm still unsure why a kernel oops in lp.ko prevents linux fomr logging said opps to a file :( |
| 21:06.08 | \amethyst | Seb: and your syslog is still going? |
| 21:06.14 | \amethyst | syslogd |
| 21:06.17 | Seb | oh yeah |
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| 21:07.01 | Seb | \amethyst: it's fine right now, because I noticed it flying by on the serial console |
| 21:07.11 | Seb | \amethyst: but I do need to keep a trace of those oopses |
| 21:07.17 | xingu | Seb: check /etc/default/klogd |
| 21:07.20 | Seb | \amethyst: I mean, I can't watch the serial console all day :) |
| 21:07.44 | Seb | xingu: only -x in there |
| 21:07.47 | abrotman | that's what the remote log is for |
| 21:07.50 | \amethyst | Seb: oops *should* be going through syslog and (with the default config) getting routed to kern.log |
| 21:07.52 | abrotman | Seb: do you even have a printer? |
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| 21:08.11 | xingu | Seb: see klogd(8): console log level |
| 21:08.14 | Seb | abrotman: I do |
| 21:08.42 | Seb | xingu: so this bypasses syslog, then ? |
| 21:08.44 | vizzy | boah, i'm not amused any more.... the repait with win2k cd didnt work, grml.... |
| 21:08.51 | Seb | i mean syslogd and its configuration |
| 21:08.52 | vizzy | *repair |
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| 21:09.07 | \amethyst | Seb: if you give klogd the -f option it will write straight to a file instead of through syslog |
| 21:09.15 | vizzy | so, next try, installing a lsmall linux and try if the bootmanager will load it again :( |
| 21:09.18 | xingu | Seb: klogd != syslogd; the former feeds the latter |
| 21:09.31 | vizzy | This really should never happen, grml |
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| 21:09.56 | xingu | Seb: you really, really need to read klogd(8) and get a handle on kernel log priorities (and then configure _syslogd_ appropriately once you have made some policy choices in that area) |
| 21:10.04 | Seb | \amethyst: that's an option, ok |
| 21:10.06 | Seb | xingu: gotcha |
| 21:10.26 | Seb | xingu: wasn't aware that klogd was feeding stuff to syslogd |
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| 21:10.30 | Seb | xingu: thanks a lot |
| 21:10.36 | Seb | \amethyst: thanks a lot too |
| 21:10.58 | Seb | enouf: see how far off you were ? |
| 21:11.09 | enouf | Seb: i've seen oomkiller info when my machine was completely locked up as a direct result of my use if sysrq keypresses, so i presumed, something useful might be there for you in your oopses, that said, when a kernel oopses it's dead and can't do squat, so sysrq sure is relevant in your context - once you started parading "i must log to file" i mentioned ssh and serial console. |
| 21:11.34 | enouf | see how far off you were? |
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| 21:12.09 | enouf | but yes, i too learned something, thank you xingu and \dev\zero |
| 21:12.14 | enouf | er \amethyst |
| 21:12.23 | \amethyst | :) |
| 21:12.29 | \amethyst | I'm not the only backslash in town |
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| 21:12.41 | enouf | friggin freaked me out :-P |
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| 21:13.37 | vizzy | parted_devices is using a deprecated scsi ioctl.... <-- whats that? seems causing mysteroius problems on partioning and detecting disks :( |
| 21:14.04 | Seb | enouf: no, you never mentioned ssh |
| 21:14.13 | Seb | enouf: now Iunderstand what you meant with serial console |
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| 21:15.01 | Seb | enouf: I couldn't possibly infer that much with your plain mentioning "set up a serial console" |
| 21:15.06 | Seb | lets it go anyway, no point |
| 21:15.21 | Seb | xingu: klogd all set, thanks again |
| 21:16.13 | DavidProck1981 | how can i disable the taping of the touchpad on the laptop so it wont click ... making it so i have to use the actule button, not the pad to click |
| 21:16.34 | DavidProck1981 | cause its TOO sensetive |
| 21:16.36 | nvz | looks in |
| 21:16.45 | format_c | use synaptics |
| 21:17.18 | DavidProck1981 | format_c u talking to me? |
| 21:17.19 | Tramp | don't you mean synclient? |
| 21:17.20 | sidewalk | xingu :-) |
| 21:17.44 | Guerin | WTF, DavidProck1981 is back |
| 21:17.46 | format_c | DavidProck1981, yep |
| 21:17.55 | enouf | xingu: and \amethyst while were here on this topic (although i have to run in a few), wouldn't gdb (and/or core dumps) also be useful for debugging oopses? |
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| 21:18.21 | DavidProck1981 | hi Guerin :) |
| 21:18.27 | enouf | (if setup properly prior ofcourse) |
| 21:19.25 | format_c | use aptitude and you'll find a propriate tool for you WM |
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| 21:20.28 | keith80403 | Are there any web pages with info about running Unstable, e.g. how often to update, which log files to watch for information ,etc. ? I've switched from Etch to Unstable on a secondary machine. |
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| 21:21.04 | nvz | keith80403: if you have to ask that sort of question you're probably gonna have problems there is no formula to it |
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| 21:21.28 | vizzy | hmmm, is there a black and white monitor friendly installation mode? |
| 21:21.32 | nvz | keith80403: make use of tools like apt-lisbugs and apt-listchanges to inform you of things when you install/upgrade packages, check the bts..etc |
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| 21:21.55 | vizzy | the contrast from background and selected entries and/or progress bar is not very high :) |
| 21:21.59 | nvz | keith80403: you should also know how to resolve issues regarding package scripts and whatnot |
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| 21:22.21 | keith80403 | nvz, I expect problems, but the hints you give are exactly the type of hints I'm looking for. |
| 21:22.27 | nvz | keith80403: you want to update enough to fix problems but not so much that you are pulling in new ones |
| 21:22.44 | nvz | keith80403: basically you want to know why you are updating |
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| 21:22.55 | nvz | keith80403: thats what bug reports and changelogs are for |
| 21:22.57 | keith80403 | nvz, Do you usually run 'aptitude update / aptiitude upgrade' when you update, or do you update package selectively? |
| 21:23.16 | nvz | keith80403: if something is working, and doesn't have any critical fixes you probably want to leave it on hold |
| 21:23.20 | keith80403 | nvz,s/package/packages/ |
| 21:23.39 | vvd | hello, what would be the command to an xterm when i want the window to stay open for 10 s? (eg: x-terminal-emulator -e "echo foo & sleep 10") |
| 21:23.39 | nvz | keith80403: when apt-listbugs is insalled it queries the bts before doing anything |
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| 21:23.55 | keith80403 | nvz, Alright, I've seen references to "hold" so I'll look them up and see what it says. |
| 21:24.07 | lkcl | http://advogato.org/article/972.html - idea for a debconf8 talk ("Distributed Debian Distribution Development") but coincidentally it's being implemented already! http://www.camrdale.org/apt-p2p.html just mentioning this in case anyone's interested. |
| 21:24.07 | nvz | keith80403: but it only gives bug numbers and breif descriptions and you are responsible for reading the bug reports on the BTS and determining if they apply to you |
| 21:24.33 | nvz | keith80403: yes you can put critical packages on hold so you don't accidentally upgrade them to something broken |
| 21:24.35 | micols__ | how do i easily search for duplicated files in a folder , can 'find' do this? |
| 21:24.43 | keith80403 | nvz, OK, do you know of any Debian FAQs for this topic ? |
| 21:24.51 | nvz | keith80403: do you have any reason for using unstable? |
| 21:25.03 | DavidProck1981 | how to disable the touchpad click on a laptop .. so u can only use the buttons to make a click and not the pad ??? |
| 21:25.13 | nvz | keith80403: you know you can run stable and just make an unstable chroot and use/test/debug unstable packages right? |
| 21:25.24 | keith80403 | nvz, Primarily to learn about it. I have two other machines running Etch and will continue to until Lenny is released. |
| 21:25.42 | keith80403 | nvz, Wanted to keep Unstable on a separate machine (-: |
| 21:25.43 | nvz | keith80403: well if its a non-critical system then you should be fine |
| 21:26.35 | keith80403 | nvz, OK, thanks for the info, I appreciate it. |
| 21:26.43 | nvz | no problem. |
| 21:26.56 | nvz | keith80403: the most common problems are in the pre/post install scripts |
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| 21:27.19 | nvz | keith80403: usually what I do is just drop an exit 0 in there if they start breaking, then I remove the package and install the old version |
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| 21:27.48 | nvz | keith80403: knowing how to hack those scripts when they break is a good skill to keeping unstable systems working |
| 21:27.53 | Luke1704 | An other question: I am wondering if gnome supports tiling? Does anyone know how to use shortcuts to arrang windows on the desktop? |
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| 21:28.16 | nvz | keith80403: but the most important thing of all is using the bts, reading up on bugs and reporting any you find |
| 21:28.43 | lkcl | keith80403: also consider running qemu if you want to test things. if you have a CPU which supports virtualisation, the "kvm" package you will also find useful as it dramatically speeds up qemu |
| 21:28.57 | abrotman | Luke1704: that's a WM thing, not gnome |
| 21:29.08 | lkcl | test as in "entirely separate machine but don't have any new hardware" kind of testing |
| 21:29.12 | keith80403 | nvz, Ok, good, I'll keep these things in mind as I get comfortable (?) running Unstable - I know that it (necessariily so) changes almost hourly..... |
| 21:29.16 | nvz | emulation is way overkill, a chroot would be fine.. but he obviously has stable systems for use, and has an extra one for unstable |
| 21:29.41 | keith80403 | lkcl, OK, good point, I'll check that out, also. |
| 21:30.02 | Luke1704 | so, what does it mean? |
| 21:30.07 | nvz | keith80403: yeah it changes a lot throughout the day. there is no need to keep pulling in every change.. just use the if its not broke don't fix it attitude |
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| 21:30.12 | lkcl | nvz: yehh, i knoww :) |
| 21:30.27 | keith80403 | nvz, Makes sense.... |
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| 21:31.24 | unixSnob | Does anyone know the limitations of the generic VGA driver? I get errors whenever I exceed an 8 bit color depth |
| 21:31.31 | lkcl | keith80403: general advice from sysadmins: use stable, first. if that doesn't do what you want, use backports.org. if _that_ doesn't do what you want, add testing. then and lastly unstable. absolute final last resort: tarball off the web site. |
| 21:32.23 | Luke1704 | I would like to know some shortcuts to adjust a window on the left half of the screen and an other window on the right |
| 21:32.27 | _vvd | how can i keep terminals open after the program exits that has been started via "-e" or "-x" arguments (xterm -e echo foo)? |
| 21:32.59 | Luke1704 | Unfortunatly, I could not find any hint in the documentation |
| 21:33.04 | lkcl | phil hands suggests things like volatile etc. but really - the further away from "stable" you get, the less other people will have used it so... |
| 21:33.25 | format_c | Would be interesting for me too |
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| 21:35.52 | lkcl | Luke1704: google "gnome tiling keyboard shortcuts" and this comes up: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-4-Manual/step-guide/s1-desktop-customize.html |
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| 21:36.41 | lkcl | Luke1704: no idea how out-of- or in- date that is, but it mentions a "keyboard shortcut" application somewhere on there should be what you want |
| 21:37.01 | Luke1704 | llkcl: Thank you! I already googled a lot, but could not find any serious hint |
| 21:37.13 | Luke1704 | I am going to check yours |
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| 21:38.01 | h0ax | dondelelcaro |
| 21:38.03 | h0ax | here please ? |
| 21:38.08 | micols__ | how do i easily search for duplicated files in a folder , can 'find' do this? |
| 21:38.09 | icenine | _vvd: to enter commands or to just see the output |
| 21:38.16 | vizzy | where can i get webcam drivers for my generic usb cam? i had it running (coming from fedora 3), dmesg detects it (using etch 4rc3) but i have no video device etc. |
| 21:38.17 | lkcl | Luke1704: for some strange reason i seem to be good at finding stuff with google. i have no idea why :) _really_ obscure stuff |
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| 21:38.29 | Luke1704 | No, this is not what I am looking for |
| 21:38.32 | vizzy | what additional packages i need to drive my usb webcam? |
| 21:38.41 | micols__ | you need to compile it yourself if you have a quickcam or the like vizzy |
| 21:38.48 | micols__ | its not part of the kernel iirc. |
| 21:38.49 | lkcl | vizzy: do lsusb get the number NNNN;NNNN first |
| 21:38.54 | sareth | does anyone have experience with disk encryption? |
| 21:38.57 | sidewalk | where do i find ircops on this network? |
| 21:39.00 | lkcl | Luke1704: oops o well |
| 21:39.02 | vizzy | micols__, i didnt neet to compile before. |
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| 21:39.16 | vizzy | its not a quickcam, simple generic qvga webcam or so |
| 21:39.18 | micols__ | i compiled my logitech and quickcam drivers, and yes, some models need external driver some dont |
| 21:39.35 | Luke1704 | I already know the opportunity to configure shortcuts, but the options I am looking for are not available |
| 21:39.39 | lkcl | vizzy: then tell us what the number is, that will give some clues. |
| 21:39.53 | micols__ | if its a quickcam you WILL have to compile it yourself |
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| 21:40.04 | micols__ | or labtec/logitec you probably will to |
| 21:40.06 | noppe | is there a uml-tool that checks the validity of a created diagram? |
| 21:40.11 | vizzy | lkcl, Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0553:0002 STMicroelectronics Imaging Division (VLSI Vision) CPiA WebCam |
| 21:40.12 | lkcl | Luke1704: bizarre. o well. i don't use gnome. or kde. fvwm only or even compiz-fusion without a window-manager :) |
| 21:40.32 | icenine | Luke1704: do you know about hitting ctrl/meta/sup + right/left click combos on most window managers? |
| 21:40.46 | Luke1704 | I found the packages tile and metacity, but they don't seem to support gnome well |
| 21:40.57 | Luke1704 | yes |
| 21:41.19 | lkcl | vizzy: ok, google "0553:0002 linux driver".... |
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| 21:43.00 | vizzy | lkcl, http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=614 |
| 21:43.15 | lkcl | vizzy: yep - just found that too :) |
| 21:43.16 | vizzy | works with camstream too, if there would be a device i can access |
| 21:43.23 | Luke1704 | guys, I am leaving! Thanks for you help - Debian is the best operation system ever |
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| 21:43.31 | vizzy | i used camstream before :) |
| 21:43.32 | lkcl | vizzy: driver is apparently "cpia" |
| 21:43.39 | sareth | does anyone have experience with disk encryption? |
| 21:43.42 | _vvd | how can i keep the terminal window open on program exit (which has been started via "-e" or "-x" arguments (xterm -e echo foo))? |
| 21:43.44 | lkcl | Luke1704: have fun dude! |
| 21:43.49 | vizzy | ah, i guess the module is called so too |
| 21:44.06 | Lethalman | Unpacking linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 (from .../linux-image-2.6.24-1-486_2.6.24-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 21:44.06 | Lethalman | Ok, Aborting, since the bootloader might not handle an initrd/initramfs image. |
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| 21:44.13 | lkcl | _vvd: simplest way write a shell script with "sleep 10000000" at the end? :) |
| 21:44.13 | Lethalman | when doing a debian live |
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| 21:44.32 | Wyzard | sareth: It's supported by Debian's installer, and a number of people use it |
| 21:44.42 | _vvd | lkcl: shell script clutter hmm |
| 21:44.44 | lkcl | vizzy: ok ... well..... modprobe cpia? |
| 21:44.48 | lkcl | _vvd: :) |
| 21:45.10 | lkcl | vizzy: sorry - modprobe cpia_usb |
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| 21:46.07 | lkcl | vizzy: "locate cpia" was what i used to find that - looks precompiled on 2.6.18-6-amd64 so.. *shrugs* |
| 21:46.07 | sareth | Wyzard: I'm trying to do a full disk encryption with keyfiles |
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| 21:46.28 | lkcl | sareth: that fills your disk with masses of plaintext. don't do it :) |
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| 21:46.44 | Wyzard | sareth: keyfiles stored on a flash drive or something? |
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| 21:46.51 | sareth | Wyzard: the problem i have is i don't know how to make the initrd script use the keyfiles |
| 21:46.52 | Wyzard | sareth: I'm not sure whether that's supported |
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| 21:47.19 | sareth | Wyzard: yeah i have /boot on my usb |
| 21:47.29 | lkcl | sareth: it's a common mistake that people make, that people from GCHQ / CESG or anyone with crypto experience will tell you: /usr and /lib are full of known plaintext!! :) |
| 21:48.03 | vizzy | lkcl, i modprobed both, cpia and cpia_usb, i can see /dev/video0, but its not accessible via camstream nor camorama etc, i detached the cam and re-attached it to usb several times and test |
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| 21:48.24 | vizzy | i wonder whats the trick was in my old linux install... maybe the magic self comnpiled kernel |
| 21:48.28 | sareth | lkcl: usr is on its own partion with its own key. |
| 21:48.30 | lkcl | vizzy: ls -altr /dev/video0 - what it say? also look in /var/log/messages |
| 21:48.54 | lkcl | sareth: that just means that that key can easily be compromised :) |
| 21:49.02 | vizzy | messages says same as dmesg, usb camera detected etc. no failures |
| 21:49.20 | vizzy | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-04-27 21:46 /dev/video0 |
| 21:49.22 | lkcl | sareth: but it's a very sensible idea to have separate keys for separate partitions. |
| 21:49.43 | lkcl | vizzy: ok. soo... now type "groups" - are you shown as being in the "video" group? |
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| 21:49.44 | vizzy | aaah, im not in group video |
| 21:49.50 | lkcl | vizzy: ha ha :) |
| 21:49.55 | vizzy | grml :) |
| 21:49.55 | sareth | lkcl: that doent bother me much. its simple risk assesment. i have several partions each with thier own random keyfile |
| 21:50.06 | lkcl | sareth: very good idea. |
| 21:50.11 | Wyzard | lkcl: Good point, but that may not help much if the various small bits of known plaintext are at unknown locations within a very large block of ciphertext |
| 21:50.50 | lkcl | lkcl grins @ Wyzard |
| 21:50.56 | vizzy | lkcl, i must relogin to make the system know i am in group video? |
| 21:51.13 | sareth | lkcl: but i dont know how to tell the kernel how to open the encrypted root drive |
| 21:51.15 | lkcl | vizzy: relogin mmm.... yep. |
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| 21:51.25 | vizzy | ok, cya soon :) |
| 21:51.33 | sidewalk | anyone around here besides xingu that knows how to work with debian under hppa? :-) |
| 21:51.35 | vizzy | thx, @ lkcl |
| 21:51.36 | sidewalk | i cant get X working |
| 21:51.38 | lkcl | vizzy: ha ha |
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| 21:51.45 | Wyzard | lkcl: I know it still helps; just not nearly as much as knowing that a specific set of ciphertext blocks has a specific plaintext |
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| 21:52.46 | sareth | Wyzard: their both good points. |
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| 21:53.24 | sareth | Wyzard: but I still don't know how to tell it to use a keyfile before the system is running. |
| 21:53.27 | Skrat | Hey |
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| 21:53.34 | cyberagent | how do I change my postfix config so that smtp doesn't run on port 25 |
| 21:53.42 | Wyzard | sareth: yeah, the initramfs scripts might not support that |
| 21:53.54 | Skrat | cyberagent; it's in the config file somewhere |
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| 21:54.01 | lkcl | sareth: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Encrypted-Root-Filesystem-HOWTO/#boot-partition - it looks bloody awful! :) |
| 21:54.11 | verblendet | spends some beer to lkcl :D |
| 21:54.20 | h0ax | I know =) |
| 21:54.25 | h0ax | oops |
| 21:54.28 | h0ax | wrong window |
| 21:54.29 | lkcl | gets pissed just sniffing beer |
| 21:55.09 | sareth | lkcl: taking a look at it. |
| 21:55.10 | verblendet | :O ok, want coffee, tea? mushrooms? pizza! |
| 21:55.12 | cyberagent | Skrat, I can't find it |
| 21:55.35 | lkcl | ha ha. mushrooooms. sauteed. |
| 21:55.37 | Skrat | cyberagent; /etc/postfix somewhere |
| 21:55.41 | Skrat | Look through /etc |
| 21:55.48 | lkcl | wonders why he feels like sauteed mushrooms. o well... |
| 21:56.07 | Skrat | Lol |
| 21:56.08 | Skrat | :P |
| 21:56.13 | cyberagent | Skrat, could you be more specific? /etc/ is big |
| 21:56.27 | Skrat | I'm afraid I cant. Try ls /etc | grep post |
| 21:56.39 | abrotman | cyberagent: www.postfix.org and /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 21:56.39 | Skrat | (In Xterm or something) |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | cyberagent: but why would you change the port? |
| 21:57.00 | cyberagent | abrotman, ISP blocks it |
| 21:57.00 | wd | to mount a samba linux box... mount -t smbfs //samba box/path /mntpoint? |
| 21:57.11 | abrotman | cyberagent: uhm .. even if you change it, no one will be able to send you mail |
| 21:57.20 | lkcl | sareth: it's all a bit "iffy" but the document suggests "strongly" that you boot from a read-only media such as a CD. |
| 21:57.25 | Skrat | abrotman; what? |
| 21:57.29 | abrotman | what what? |
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| 21:57.54 | Skrat | what do you mean by, no one will be able to send you mail? |
| 21:57.54 | sareth | lkcl: yeah, thats so someone cant change the boot files on you |
| 21:58.19 | abrotman | Skrat: do you know of a way to tell the internet to send mail to port 10025 instead of 25 ? |
| 21:58.23 | sunmao | sbdy use here pure-ftpd and mysql? |
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| 21:58.45 | Skrat | abrotman; port forwarding? :S |
| 21:58.45 | lkcl | sareth: but basically i _think_ what they're suggesting is that you customise your initrd to include the decrypt key in it... ok - custom-build one.... |
| 21:58.57 | abrotman | Skrat: you're still missing the point |
| 21:59.07 | lkcl | but surely someone's already done that?? |
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| 21:59.24 | Tramp | sareth: I don't know, how your setup is exactly. I use a keyscript (keyscript=...) option in my crypttab, with keys in a file in the encrypted /. This basically means I have to enter two passphrases |
| 21:59.50 | Skrat | abrotman; i get you |
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| 22:00.01 | sareth | lkcl: yeah i had thought about it. though it means i have to make one everytime i compile new kernel. I had also seen changing the mkinitrd script to inclue the neccesary steps. |
| 22:00.19 | wd | do i have to install smbfs into kernel because my mount -t smbfs command isn't working? |
| 22:00.19 | dpkg | wonders why they should do i have to install smbfs into kernel because my mount -t smbfs command isn't working |
| 22:00.40 | Smerdykov | I am trying to configure Amarok to play mp4s in debian, I have all the xine codecs installed and it is using the xine engine, but it continues to give me the error |
| 22:00.42 | Smerdykov | can anyone help me? |
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| 22:00.55 | Tramp | what kind of weird behaviour of dpkg is that?? |
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| 22:01.05 | wd | Tramp: ? |
| 22:01.11 | lkcl | sareth: when doing ... thingy. HTC re-eng stuff i used to unpack initrds and recreate them all the time. with _no_ hard drive - at all - and when we didn't have an SDcard driver - it was the only option. |
| 22:01.14 | Tramp | do foobar |
| 22:01.22 | nvz | hmm I just found a good animated gif link for my regional radar, and it works with the gnome weather applet |
| 22:01.22 | abrotman | Tramp: dpkg has started doing that in the last few days |
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| 22:01.32 | abrotman | do tramp for the fun of it |
| 22:01.35 | cyberagent | abrotman, ok, I found a way to do that, but could youtell me where in the config the port number is defined? I can't find it/. |
| 22:01.35 | abrotman | sometimes |
| 22:01.39 | Tramp | abrotman: oh. didn't notice till today. |
| 22:01.46 | abrotman | do i blah blah blah |
| 22:01.48 | nvz | I've tried on many occations to get a good animated weather radar in gnome weather applet and never had any luck |
| 22:01.49 | abrotman | i give up |
| 22:01.52 | Tramp | abrl |
| 22:01.57 | abrotman | cyberagent: found a way to do what ? |
| 22:02.21 | Skrat | Anyway |
| 22:02.32 | Tramp | abrotman: saw it with "do i" "do you" - but obviously there is more to it .... |
| 22:02.36 | sidewalk | im having errormessages from my sshd, saying "unaligned access to 0xyadayada at ip=0xyadayada" |
| 22:02.39 | sidewalk | what does that mean? |
| 22:02.46 | lkcl | sareth: http://pigeonsnest.co.uk/stuff/lvm-root/lvm-root.html - then look for the "linuxfromscratch" guide - it's a PDF. o bugger it's not there ha ha |
| 22:02.47 | abrotman | apparently .. but he should only be answering when spoken to .. oh well |
| 22:02.48 | abrotman | hello |
| 22:03.35 | cyberagent | abrotman, somebody can send a mail to me@cyberagent.nl, then it will go to the nameserver, where I define that the mail shoudl go to mail.rollernet.us, there I have a account that forwards to 1025, which my ISP gives to me.... To make the long question short: where do I define in my postfix config that it shouldn't use port 25 but another port? |
| 22:03.53 | Ant54 | can anyone help me with making a certain usb device appear with a consistant name? (currently it appears as hiddevXX) |
| 22:04.05 | \amethyst | sidewalk: is it a 64- or 32-bit sshd? |
| 22:04.30 | sidewalk | amethyst: 32 i think |
| 22:04.42 | abrotman | cyberagent: see the docs at www.postfix.org or ask #postfix |
| 22:05.36 | lkcl | sareth: yep - that lvm-root howto _also_ does mkinitrd-y type things... |
| 22:06.00 | abrotman | cyberagent: i found it on google also |
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| 22:06.08 | sareth | lkcl: fun. i'll read it. been trying to figure this out for a few night. |
| 22:06.16 | cyberagent | abrotman, link? |
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| 22:06.34 | lkcl | sareth: http://testbit.eu/~timj/blogstuff/DebianEncryption.txt - ah ha! |
| 22:06.41 | abrotman | cyberagent: google.com |
| 22:07.06 | sidewalk | but what does it mean? |
| 22:07.07 | sidewalk | sshd(6545): unaligned access to 0xc02a0855 at ip=0x409d3d0f |
| 22:07.20 | cyberagent | abrotman, the google link, because I'm unabel to find it..... at google ... |
| 22:07.43 | abrotman | cyberagent: i already closed it .. google "postfix port number" or something like that |
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| 22:07.53 | Phase | Everytime my computer is restarted I have to go back into alsaconf and redo everything for it to use the right sound card (it keeps going back to the on board card, not the other one) -- How do I make it remember the right one to use? (debian/gnome) |
| 22:07.57 | abrotman | cyberagent: i believe it was in the master man page |
| 22:08.02 | abrotman | cyberagent: or ask #postfix |
| 22:08.03 | sareth | lkcl: seems your better at googling than i am |
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| 22:08.19 | lkcl | sareth: ha ha i just.... yep :) |
| 22:08.23 | Lethalman | Phase, alsactl store |
| 22:08.32 | Phase | I'll check it out, thanks. |
| 22:08.44 | lkcl | sareth: google "encrypted root filesystem debian" i was going to do "encrypted root filesystem debian initrd" next. |
| 22:08.50 | sandman | How come this security exploit was never fixed for Debian 3.0?: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26245/info |
| 22:09.41 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 22:09.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 22:09.48 | verblendet | hm, why does lilo coinfiguring ALWAYS fail on my installations? the installer always mentions it wont do it, but it does. |
| 22:09.49 | themill | sandman: security support for 3.0 has long since finished. |
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| 22:10.02 | verblendet | but this time, i didnt get a lilo.conf :O |
| 22:10.06 | sandman | themill: This was during the time it was still stable |
| 22:10.07 | verblendet | funny stuff.... |
| 22:10.33 | themill | sandman: not according to the date on that page you just quoted |
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| 22:10.55 | sandman | themill: Well, I'm investigating this after what a friend told me. |
| 22:10.56 | abrotman | themill: it said 2007 |
| 22:11.02 | themill | yeah... |
| 22:11.24 | abrotman | it's been changed since .. but originally 2007 .. and is listed in the tracker of doom |
| 22:11.24 | themill | That was 6 months after etch had released. Woody was well past EOL. |
| 22:11.35 | Phase | Lethalman, That worked, thanks. |
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| 22:11.45 | abrotman | oh duh .. 3.0 .. not 3.1 |
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| 22:12.06 | abrotman | !woody |
| 22:12.07 | dpkg | i heard woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 22:12.10 | abrotman | sandman: ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:12.16 | sandman | Debian Etch is still vulnerable. |
| 22:12.19 | abrotman | see when the date about security terminated |
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| 22:12.24 | abrotman | sandman: that CVE doesn't say so |
| 22:12.41 | ScarFace | Is there a way to get a set of official CDs or DVDS cheap? |
| 22:12.47 | verblendet | :O lilo.conf is at /etc ? why this? |
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| 22:12.57 | abrotman | ScarFace: your friend? how cheap is cheap ? |
| 22:13.00 | abrotman | antgel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:13.01 | sandman | Hm, perhaps I'm misparsing this. |
| 22:13.05 | streuner | ScarFace: where do you live? |
| 22:13.23 | antgel | on phone, 1 sec |
| 22:13.48 | ScarFace | I need thwe official media I could probably get them through madtux? |
| 22:14.11 | ScarFace | antgel: I klive in Davie Fl |
| 22:14.27 | abrotman | wrong person |
| 22:14.39 | Lethalman | Phase, yw |
| 22:14.58 | themill | sandman: you need to look at what the debian security team says, not just what someone who may or may not keep track of debian says: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2007-5707 |
| 22:15.01 | abrotman | ScarFace: try linuxcentral.com or whatever |
| 22:15.45 | streuner | ScarFace: or find a LUG near your area, if you dont have fast i-net connection |
| 22:16.03 | sandman | themill: Is there a date on when it was fixed? |
| 22:16.16 | abrotman | !info debsecan etch |
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| 22:16.37 | dpkg | debsecan: (Debian Security Analyzer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.7 (etch), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 22:16.48 | themill | sandman: that page says it was fixed in openldap version 2.3.30-5+etch1. Look in the changelog. |
| 22:17.11 | abrotman | $ debsecan | wc -l |
| 22:17.11 | abrotman | 428 |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | yay testing! :) |
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| 22:18.49 | ScarFace | I have a 6.6 mbs donw stream /3.6 mbs upstream cable connection via comcast would that allow me a reasonable dpown load tim on the seven cd required for a full offfcicial Debain CD set? |
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| 22:19.19 | abrotman | ScarFace: you only really need the netinst |
| 22:20.01 | sandman | Wow, I just ran debsecan and it gave me a _lot_ of results. |
| 22:20.04 | ScarFace | abrotman: Yhe problem is my nividia mcp ethernet adapeter |
| 22:20.09 | sandman | Sorta scares me, if there are that many vulnerabilities =) |
| 22:20.20 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 22:20.20 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 22:20.29 | abrotman | sandman: how many are high ? |
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| 22:20.50 | antgel | abrotman!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:20.55 | abrotman | antgel!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:21.00 | antgel | i'm still on the phone :) |
| 22:21.02 | abrotman | oh |
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| 22:21.23 | nvz | ScarFace: debian stable is more like 14cds and only one is required.. you can't do a "full install" its physically impossible as packages conflict |
| 22:21.42 | nvz | ScarFace: if you have a fast net connection all you need is a netinstall disc |
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| 22:22.05 | sandman | abrotman: None |
| 22:22.46 | ScarFace | Net install and a frigging fios connection |
| 22:22.58 | sandman | I'm still looking to find out _when_ this: http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/CVE-2007-5707 was fixed |
| 22:23.04 | sandman | There are no dates on it. |
| 22:23.42 | themill | sandman: [23:16] <themill> sandman: that page says it was fixed in openldap version 2.3.30-5+etch1. Look in the changelog. |
| 22:24.43 | \amethyst | and 2.3.38-1 in unstable, according to the changelog |
| 22:24.50 | sunmao | I use pure-ftpd-mysql and when i crate a new user and a logging in i see the whole / directory |
| 22:24.50 | nvz | ScarFace: debian stable takes up like 14 cds or two DVDs its over 18,000 packages most of which you will absolutly never need, and many of which cannot be installed along side one another.. so doing a net install and only downloading what you will use just makes more sense if time and money are your main concerns |
| 22:24.57 | sunmao | how can i solve it |
| 22:24.58 | sunmao | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.05 | sunmao | i wrote this |
| 22:25.13 | sunmao | MYSQLGetDIR |
| 22:25.19 | nvz | ScarFace: most desktop users will do a standard desktop install and use roughly 600 of those packages |
| 22:25.25 | sunmao | but it was not worjk |
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| 22:27.31 | ScarFace | nvz: I downloaded the Xfce installation cd because i have made the switch to mac os x Leapord as my Every day OS and don't have a need or a desire toeven risk w**d$$$ on this machine. |
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| 22:28.29 | ScarFace | nvz: Would Synaptic interdear with aptutils |
| 22:29.00 | nvz | ScarFace: heh, yeah well windows is a pile of crap.. but there was a hack-2-own competition recently where 3 laptops one MacOSX, one Vista, and On Linux were up for grabs and the OSX was the first to be hacked.. so.. |
| 22:29.15 | nvz | ScarFace: I have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 22:31.03 | abrotman | nvz: now you know how we feel :) |
| 22:31.42 | nvz | abrotman: what not understanding ScarFace ? |
| 22:31.42 | abrotman | not understanding you |
| 22:31.42 | nvz | hah |
| 22:31.42 | soblue | I want to find all .py files that contain "@". I can't use grep -r because it will search all files, not just .py, and bash expands *.py before recursion can happen. Any ideas? |
| 22:31.45 | antgel | i fixed my issue whilst i was on the phone |
| 22:31.46 | nvz | well I've never even heard of "interdear" |
| 22:32.06 | antgel | you'd think i'd know to put the user in the audio group :P |
| 22:32.06 | foo | A system with RAID 1 is going into read only mode. What could cause this? raid driver conflicts, bad RAM? anything else? |
| 22:32.10 | nvz | and if its a word I'm not looking it up cause I don't like the way it looks/sounds and will never use it |
| 22:32.14 | ScarFace | nvz: That is why i hardden my vOS x machine by appling every update even thoes that don't aplly to programs that i don't use. |
| 22:32.25 | peleg | how can I know which program listens to IMAP protocol at the moment? |
| 22:32.26 | antgel | but i was running rhythmbox over the network so assumed a network issue |
| 22:32.37 | antgel | abrotman: how you doing me old mucker? |
| 22:32.55 | themill | soblue: couple it with find. find . -name \*.py -print0 | xargs -0 grep @ |
| 22:33.05 | nvz | ScarFace: fwiw I believe it passed the remote attacks. It was compromised when they were allowed to sit at it and surf to websites |
| 22:33.09 | sandman | Okay, so a security vulnerability discovered on Oct 29 2007 12:00AM (http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26245/info) was fixed in Debian on Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:02:53 +0000 (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/o/openldap2.3/openldap2.3_2.3.30-5+etch1/changelog) ? |
| 22:33.31 | sandman | 5 months? |
| 22:33.41 | soblue | themill: ah, thanks. I had thought of piping find but didn't know how to get grep to take file names from stdin. thanks! |
| 22:34.01 | abrotman | antgel: getting older :) |
| 22:34.03 | themill | soblue: grep doesn't -- that's why you need xargs. You could also use the -exec option to find. |
| 22:34.18 | antgel | abrotman: what a surprise! me too! |
| 22:34.24 | antgel | is 31 on may 5th |
| 22:34.26 | soblue | themill: right, I figured that. thanks again. |
| 22:34.31 | antgel | themill, nvz: yo |
| 22:34.37 | themill | soblue: no worries. |
| 22:34.38 | abrotman | antgel: i'm older than you .. |
| 22:34.44 | themill | G'day antgel! |
| 22:35.02 | soblue | themill: by the way, I found out how to change the keyboard layout using just the keyboard after we talked the other day. |
| 22:35.05 | antgel | abrotman: you old git! |
| 22:35.10 | antgel | themill: g'day cobber |
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| 22:35.14 | streuner | abrotman: tell us :-) |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | i did |
| 22:35.26 | ScarFace | nvz: that is why i hhave configured my roomates Linksys wmp54g Wireless websafe Router firewall to use the opendns dns system. |
| 22:35.29 | antgel | abrotman is 56 |
| 22:35.36 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:35.47 | soblue | themill: hold the right Alt key and press the left Alt key. |
| 22:35.48 | themill | antgel: "cobber"... why do you poms all think that we say that? I'd never heard that expression until I came over here. |
| 22:36.03 | antgel | themill: pull the other one sheila! |
| 22:36.12 | themill | !kill antgel |
| 22:36.12 | dpkg | rips off antgel's balls with a large trout |
| 22:36.15 | nvz | man I'm tired |
| 22:36.22 | sandman | Anyone want to respond to this? I thought Debian was supposed to be secure |
| 22:36.25 | streuner | nvz: go to bed then |
| 22:36.30 | antgel | such a welcome |
| 22:36.37 | antgel | streuner: life coaching for nvz |
| 22:36.42 | themill | soblue: interesting... that is presumably rather desktop specific. I recall there's an option for that in kde's control centre. Nice one. |
| 22:36.54 | streuner | sandman: why do you always need to ask such complicated questions? |
| 22:36.57 | nvz | I'm laying down right now.. but I still got work to do |
| 22:37.00 | seeds | tryin to figure out why my modified rtl8187b driver causes kernel panic on my box |
| 22:37.04 | nvz | unless it starts raining |
| 22:37.13 | themill | sandman: what of it? it's not a particularly high priority thing compared to a remote execution vuln. |
| 22:37.16 | seeds | when i use it with wep |
| 22:37.30 | sandman | themill: You can be shut down remotely with nothing more than a broken auth request |
| 22:37.42 | sandman | themill: For a 5 month stretch |
| 22:37.47 | sandman | themill: That's a long time, don't you think? |
| 22:37.59 | soblue | themill: it's easily configurable too. just go to Desktop > Preferences > Layout Options and open the Group Shift/Lock behavior option. you can choose several alternatives there. |
| 22:38.00 | streuner | wish that sandman would be part of the security team |
| 22:38.08 | soblue | In GNOME, of course |
| 22:38.12 | themill | sandman: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 22:38.21 | antgel | i've got a comment to make on gnome actually |
| 22:38.40 | sandman | Okay, that's a fair assessment. |
| 22:38.46 | soblue | antgel: fire away |
| 22:38.46 | themill | sandman: it's not shutting down the machine but the ldap server. There are may ways of mitigating this. |
| 22:38.50 | sandman | I'll have to research how to get on the security team first, though. |
| 22:39.13 | Suprano | my cam (SN9C105) shows (in skype) only some green noice |
| 22:39.20 | Suprano | tipps? |
| 22:39.26 | antgel | i've actually been using it for about three months. i originally installed it to show this mac zealot i know, that linux could have eye-candy too for idiots who like style over substance. so i wowed him with compiz. |
| 22:39.30 | themill | sandman: you can go through that list of CVEs that debsecan spat out and come up with patches or backported patches to each of them and mail them to the bts. |
| 22:39.31 | antgel | then... |
| 22:39.41 | sandman | themill: Yeah, I'm sure. But why work all the way around a security problem, when you can just patch it up. It's not like it's that difficult of a thing to fix |
| 22:39.55 | sandman | themill: I think I may end up doing that. |
| 22:40.03 | themill | sandman: please do. |
| 22:40.15 | streuner | yeah |
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| 22:40.54 | soblue | angel: yes? what happened then? |
| 22:40.57 | antgel | i got used to network-manager, for its wifi roaming, as i was fed up of configuring wpasupplicant. but. everything was /so/ fucking slow. that thing has an elephant's footprint. after a few months of this self-harm, i went back to windowmaker tonight and wow. like having a new machine. my apps all respond quicker, it's like having a new workstation! |
| 22:40.58 | soblue | antgel* |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | angel .. HA .. hardly! |
| 22:41.24 | antgel | abrotman: i am, on the first date |
| 22:41.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:41.54 | antgel | so my anti-gnome-and-kde stance has now been validated by my actual user experience! |
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| 22:42.04 | abrotman | how is that? |
| 22:42.25 | abrotman | how did you validate it? |
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| 22:42.31 | antgel | abrotman: well, now i've used it enough to be /sure/ that it's slow as fuck, instead of just assuming :) |
| 22:42.33 | abrotman | oh |
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| 22:42.40 | antgel | abrotman: do keep up |
| 22:42.53 | abrotman | i'm slow .. i'm a 'merken :) |
| 22:43.00 | antgel | septic |
| 22:43.14 | antgel | abrotman: I CAN TYPE BIG IF IT HELPS |
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| 22:43.30 | abrotman | i'm not blind |
| 22:43.40 | azeem | antgel: there's quite a few XFCE people running NM, AFAIK |
| 22:44.13 | bwlang | I'm having some trouble will some unkillable processes... kill -9 nobody 2234 0.0 0.0 4220 1288 ? DN 06:25 0:00 /usr/bin/find / -ignore_readdir_race ( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o just doesn't do anything. any way to end these ? strace -p 2234 returns nothing to the console and cannot be quit with ctrl+c |
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| 22:44.21 | antgel | azeem: yes, actually xfce does seem like a halfway-house in terms of footprint. but TBH going back to wmaker reminds me why i loved it in the first place |
| 22:44.37 | bwlang | abrotman: didn't know merkins were still available after syphilis died out... |
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| 22:44.51 | bwlang | not a job i would enjoy i don't hink ;) |
| 22:44.51 | abrotman | i'm not sure if that's an insult or not |
| 22:44.55 | antgel | plus i'm not doing much wifi roaming at the moment, and i think there is a wpa gui as well - haven't tried it though |
| 22:45.00 | azeem | antgel: because it's based on Apple[tm] technology? |
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| 22:45.11 | bwlang | abrotman: it's a toupe for the crotch - nice huh? |
| 22:45.12 | azeem | "antgel loves Steve Jobs" |
| 22:45.15 | amphi | bwlang: how unusual for someone to know what a merkin is ;) |
| 22:45.15 | antgel | abrotman: meh, take it as one |
| 22:45.17 | \amethyst | bwlang: there is no way to stop processes in state D |
| 22:45.24 | antgel | holds his head in his hands |
| 22:45.36 | \amethyst | bwlang: did you have an NFS server lose connectivity or something? |
| 22:45.48 | antgel | azeem: i'm just a bit minimal in my approach to the desktop. i'd try ion if i had a spare month to get used to it |
| 22:46.04 | azeem | if you know screen, it takes a spare hour |
| 22:46.09 | bwlang | amethyst: no nfs mounts... this box boots from an iscsi array (no local storage) - but it's running fine |
| 22:46.18 | azeem | but I dropped ion in favour of GNOME some years ago |
| 22:46.55 | antgel | azeem: i have a similar issue with screen :) i tend to have a few virtual x desktops, suits me |
| 22:47.03 | MightyWolfeagle | I'm in the process of configuring a mailserver and am planning on using dovecot imapd and popd, dovecot depends on mysql when installedwith aptitude. The rest of my mailserver is setup using PostgreSQL. is there some way I can install dovecot using aptitude without installing mysql? Id rather not install the build tools on a production server if I don't need to. |
| 22:47.23 | bwlang | i just put it into production last week.... so i'd better figure out what's up with find pronto. |
| 22:47.37 | abrotman | MightyWolfeagle: it depends on mysql-client or server? |
| 22:47.44 | keith4_ | how do I make it so that any files created in /foo have the same uid/gid as foo? |
| 22:47.58 | sander_ | Xine for lenny dosnt work.. comes crappy sound.. and black picture |
| 22:48.08 | themill | !depends dovecot-common etch |
| 22:48.10 | dpkg | dovecot-common: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1), libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libpq4 (>= 8.1.4), libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.3.8), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-13.1), openssl, adduser |
| 22:48.15 | antgel | sander_: actually it does, i used it today to watch a dvd |
| 22:48.15 | MightyWolfeagle | abrotmat, mysql-common |
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| 22:48.23 | abrotman | it's not a server .. |
| 22:48.28 | keith4_ | sander_, how big is your sample size? one? |
| 22:48.37 | sander_ | antgel, ok.. atleast it dosnt work for me. |
| 22:48.47 | sander_ | keith4, how do I find the sample size? |
| 22:48.55 | bwlang | MightyWolfeagle... if you're not too far down the dovecot path, i can recommend cyrus imapd and exim... very robust in my experience. |
| 22:49.30 | antgel | ah, #d on freenode. i should stick around for a bit - am actually doing some software development for once, so i'll be glued to my workstation :) |
| 22:49.33 | antgel | er, i mean :( |
| 22:49.41 | antgel | !start a mail server way |
| 22:49.44 | antgel | fuck |
| 22:49.46 | antgel | !start a mail server war |
| 22:49.47 | MightyWolfeagle | bwlan, I'll have a look. |
| 22:49.49 | abrotman | mta war |
| 22:50.05 | antgel | ah, the moment's gone |
| 22:51.32 | keith4_ | sander_, um... you try it on another computer |
| 22:52.11 | sander_ | keith4, why should I?.. it worked before I upgraded from etch to lenny.. |
| 22:52.21 | sander_ | mplayer works tho.. |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | sander_: are you having two conversations on two networks about how to debug this? |
| 22:52.59 | themill | !tell sander_ about doesn't work |
| 22:53.47 | antgel | abrotman: how's the recession? |
| 22:53.50 | sander_ | Yeah. I've always done it that way. none complaining untill now. |
| 22:54.22 | abrotman | antgel: i got a big raise? :) |
| 22:54.38 | antgel | abrotman: fucking awesome! |
| 22:54.46 | abrotman | sends antgel to the offtopic channel! |
| 22:54.51 | sander_ | abrotman, ok.. i'll keep it to this channel for now. |
| 22:55.04 | antgel | sander_: he's trying to push me about as well |
| 22:55.06 | antgel | ;) |
| 22:55.16 | antgel | abrotman: if i go in there i'll do /no/ work |
| 22:55.20 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 22:55.25 | sander_ | http://pastebin.ca/999768 <-- here is the result I got.. when I ran xine --verbose=10 |
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| 23:00.15 | antgel | sander_: what are you actually trying to do in xine? |
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| 23:02.17 | h0ax | Evening. |
| 23:02.18 | sander_ | antgel, play back a simple video. |
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| 23:02.41 | antgel | sander_: in what format? |
| 23:02.48 | antgel | and is it pr0n? |
| 23:02.55 | themill | sander_: have a wander through #394412 |
| 23:02.57 | h0ax | LOL |
| 23:03.00 | themill | !dbugs 394412 |
| 23:03.03 | dpkg | DONE:#394412:N[libxine1] libxine1: cannot find demuxer for mp3 files; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 05:18:01 UTC |
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| 23:03.33 | antgel | the mill has pre-empted my next question which is did you check the bts |
| 23:03.39 | sander_ | antgel, its Linux journals video podcast in h264 format. |
| 23:03.45 | antgel | although of course mp3 != video |
| 23:03.49 | unixSnob | wonders if there is such thing as a UXGA driver |
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| 23:03.58 | sander_ | mp4a sound. |
| 23:04.39 | sander_ | How do I check the bts? |
| 23:04.48 | themill | !tell sander_ about bts |
| 23:05.39 | sander_ | Cool. |
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| 23:06.01 | antgel | it's funny, the more the things change etc... |
| 23:06.33 | themill | :) |
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| 23:08.25 | sander_ | themill, how can I find that bug.. #394412 ? |
| 23:08.42 | themill | sander_: as dpkg just told you, http://bugs.debian.org/394412 |
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| 23:09.23 | verblendet | test |
| 23:09.24 | sander_ | Ok.. I didnt see that one.. I checked bugs for xine |
| 23:09.53 | verblendet | haha, nice, delay from usb cam viewing the irc to screen is about 1 second |
| 23:10.33 | verblendet | the other way would be more nice, showing whats coming up in 1 second :)) |
| 23:11.17 | sander_ | themill, cool.. it worked :-) |
| 23:11.37 | themill | sander_: getting rid of your ~/.xine ? |
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| 23:12.07 | sander_ | Yeah |
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| 23:12.42 | sander_ | This happend when I upgraded from etch to lenny.. |
| 23:13.12 | themill | sander_: it might be worthwhile seeing if there's a suitable bug in the bts to which you can add a comment to the effect that this was necessary for etch->lenny. But first, check if that's already mentioned in /usr/share/doc/*xine*/{NEWS,README}* |
| 23:16.14 | themill | sander_: Also, since you're running lenny, /msg dpkg d-d-a and install apt-listchanges |
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| 23:16.45 | sander_ | apt-listchanges was already installed |
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| 23:17.03 | sander_ | But what does these packages help? |
| 23:17.30 | sander_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.49 | themill | !ping |
| 23:17.50 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:17.52 | themill | hmmm |
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| 23:19.42 | Meaw | im trying to install linux-image-2.6-686 using apt-get install, but everytime it asks me to do -f install to install libc6 , but when i do it asks me again to upgrade to kernel 2.6 and the same |
| 23:19.44 | themill | sander_: such problems are normally mentioned in NEWS.Debian and apt-listchanges will tell you about that. |
| 23:19.48 | Meaw | what can i do to pass that? |
| 23:20.13 | sander_ | themill, when I run apt-listchanges ? |
| 23:20.28 | themill | sander_: no, it's run as part of aptitude upgrade |
| 23:20.31 | sander_ | Or when I install new packages? |
| 23:20.33 | sander_ | AH. ok |
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| 23:20.50 | sander_ | I cant see any news files |
| 23:21.21 | sander_ | And nothing in the readme files about any bugs |
| 23:21.57 | themill | sander_: in this case that's true. It won't be most of the time. |
| 23:22.42 | sander_ | How do I add a comment about this then? |
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| 23:22.53 | themill | !tell sander_ about reportbug |
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| 23:23.34 | verblendet | wow! running a cpia webcam on usb and camstream, then detaching the camera from usb will lead into immediate hang up of the whole system :O |
| 23:23.44 | verblendet | should not happen on linux, or? |
| 23:24.04 | intheboat | sorry, need a ftp client for gnome ? |
| 23:24.25 | abrotman | nautilus |
| 23:24.26 | intheboat | how cana i search it whith apt)cache search ? |
| 23:24.39 | intheboat | and how |
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| 23:25.30 | nonfatmatt | use gftp |
| 23:25.32 | nonfatmatt | it's nice |
| 23:25.42 | streuner | lftp |
| 23:26.33 | bwlang | how can i force a reboot remotely? |
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| 23:26.49 | bwlang | shutdown -r now just hangs since i have processes in D state. |
| 23:27.02 | streuner | sledehammer or just unplug the power apply :-P |
| 23:27.21 | timonator | how do you do that remotely? |
| 23:27.25 | bwlang | streuner: that's one LONG sledgehammer - i'm about 40 miles away. |
| 23:27.38 | bwlang | streuner: i'm cool and all , but i'm not a god ;) |
| 23:27.49 | timonator | make a hammer fall from the sky, thor! |
| 23:29.58 | sander_ | themill, how should I rate the severity of this bug? |
| 23:30.39 | antgel | uninstalls gnome and reclaims 330MB of disk |
| 23:30.45 | bwlang | i thought you guys were supposed to be "the man" echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger followed by echo b > /proc/sysreq-trigger did it. |
| 23:30.54 | antgel | and that's keeping some libs to use with f-spot, inkscape, rhythmbox |
| 23:31.22 | themill | sander_: probably wishlist -- either provide a NEWS.Debian to tell people to remove their ~/.xine/ or provide some way of getting xine to cope with older configs. |
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| 23:31.40 | themill | sander_: noone will complain if you err on the side of lower severity. |
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| 23:32.27 | sander_ | ok |
| 23:32.28 | Miesco | !dpkg i386 |
| 23:32.28 | dpkg | from memory, i386 is the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 23:32.54 | Miesco | i386, does it matter if its 64bit or not? |
| 23:33.55 | timonator | all x86_64 cpus can run i386 code |
| 23:34.10 | timonator | at least all i know |
| 23:34.30 | Miesco | timonator: How do I know if my CPU is 64? |
| 23:34.44 | Miesco | Intel® Core⢠2 Duo Processor T9300 (2.5GHz/800Mhz FSB, 6MB Cache) |
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| 23:35.09 | timonator | i believe, that all core 2 duo processors are 64bit, but wikipedia can help |
| 23:35.20 | Miesco | timonator: I am at wikipedia :) |
| 23:35.29 | abrotman | that is 64bit |
| 23:35.50 | nonfatmatt | there are certain laptop varieties of core based chips that aren't |
| 23:35.54 | nonfatmatt | but they are rare |
| 23:36.12 | nonfatmatt | usually 'pentium dual core' |
| 23:36.20 | themill | Miesco: either the -686 kernel from the i386 arch or the amd64 arch are find for that chip |
| 23:36.50 | abrotman | he can use -amd64 kernel either way |
| 23:36.57 | Miesco | amd? |
| 23:37.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:37.16 | timonator | yes, intel uses the amd64 architecture for their CPUs |
| 23:37.38 | Miesco | Err so what does 64-bit regard? |
| 23:37.39 | themill | abrotman: true. but not worth it |
| 23:37.42 | sander_ | themill, I have an gmail adress.. and didnt type in any smtp server.. now its trying to connect to bugs.debian.org via SMTP.. but hanging. |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | themill: depends on the system |
| 23:38.17 | abrotman | themill: 2GB vs 8GB RAM for example |
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| 23:38.28 | amphi | Miesco: IIRC. if 'lm' is in the flags, it's 64 bit |
| 23:38.36 | sander_ | themill, maybe I should try to send the bug report on the web. |
| 23:38.49 | themill | abrotman: if you had that much ram you would be clueful enough to ,... no forget that |
| 23:39.03 | vjoe | bye |
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| 23:39.09 | abrotman | themill: right .. and they'd also know not to use ia64 .. oh wait |
| 23:39.21 | Miesco | But what does it mean of a kernel is 64-bit? |
| 23:39.42 | timonator | well, having an ia64 option is a little confusing, as people might think it stands for intel architecture 64bit :) |
| 23:39.53 | Wyzard | timonator: It does |
| 23:40.07 | timonator | oh. |
| 23:40.08 | \amethyst | timonator: it does, jut not *that* intel architecture 64-bit |
| 23:40.13 | \amethyst | it stands for the first one |
| 23:40.17 | Miesco | ohhh, I think I know, it uses 64bit integers |
| 23:40.18 | timonator | ok, then people might come to the wrong conclusions |
| 23:40.34 | timonator | the first one, as in ... EMT64? |
| 23:40.35 | Wyzard | timonator: It's the first 64-bit Intel architecture, the one more commonly known as "Itanium", or "Itanic" because it didn't sell well and sunk |
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| 23:40.53 | \amethyst | it's used in some supercomputers |
| 23:41.03 | \amethyst | still, I mean |
| 23:41.08 | Miesco | So 64-bit means it can hold 64-bit integers and stuff? |
| 23:41.15 | crazyfrog | Does anyone know of a way to reset (for lack of a better word) my card so that I don't need to reboot the machine |
| 23:41.19 | Wyzard | timonator: then AMD created "amd64", which is more appealing to the market, so Intel copied it and called it "em64t", later renamed "Intel 64" |
| 23:41.22 | timonator | 64bit is mainly about memory addresses |
| 23:41.29 | Wyzard | Miesco: It means pointers are 64-bit |
| 23:41.40 | Miesco | Wyzard: Okay |
| 23:41.42 | \amethyst | Miesco: it means the processor can work with 64-bit integers and addresses |
| 23:41.47 | Miesco | Okay I see |
| 23:42.07 | timonator | i should really go to bed, get some shut-eye |
| 23:42.14 | timonator | good night folks! |
| 23:42.29 | Miesco | To get a 64-bit kernel, what benefit is that? |
| 23:42.42 | \amethyst | Miesco: Linux on AMD64 still uses 32 bits for 'int', but 64 bits for long and pointers |
| 23:42.48 | Miesco | Better memory efficiency? |
| 23:42.52 | \amethyst | Miesco: the biggest thing is that you can use a lot more memory |
| 23:43.03 | crazyfrog | Does anyone know of a way to reset (for lack of a better word) my |
| 23:43.03 | crazyfrog | > > card so that I don't need to reboot the machine |
| 23:43.05 | keith4_ | i changed the gid that a service runs on, and used find -gid to change all files to the new gid, but the process still runs as the old gid...? |
| 23:43.10 | \amethyst | Miesco: since with 32-bit systems you're limited to 4GB (16GB with PAE) |
| 23:43.16 | abrotman | crazyfrog: card? |
| 23:43.24 | Miesco | So if I have a 64-bit architecture I should get a 64-bit kernel? |
| 23:43.25 | crazyfrog | yes |
| 23:43.31 | keith4_ | i thought PAE was good for 64GB? |
| 23:43.35 | \amethyst | Miesco: depends |
| 23:43.38 | \amethyst | maybe it is 64GB |
| 23:43.41 | abrotman | crazyfrog: WHICH card |
| 23:43.43 | \amethyst | yeah, that's right |
| 23:43.48 | \amethyst | it's 36 bits, so 64GB |
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| 23:43.55 | crazyfrog | my sond card |
| 23:44.26 | keith4_ | crazyfrog, remove and re-add the modules? |
| 23:44.26 | Miesco | Is having a 64-bit kernel only apply to programmers? |
| 23:44.28 | \amethyst | Miesco: Do you use proprietary video drivers? What about Flash or Java plugin? |
| 23:44.32 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? For whatever reason, I cannot print from Claws Mail. When I click File and then Print, Claws Mail freezes and I have to close out. What could be causing this and how can I fix it? |
| 23:44.39 | nevyn | keith4_: it is. |
| 23:44.55 | timonator | firebird619: try running claws from the console and see if it outputs anything at all |
| 23:44.57 | themill | crazyfrog: try "invoke-rc.d alsa reload" |
| 23:45.00 | crazyfrog | i just do not know what modules |
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| 23:45.07 | nevyn | keith4_: but you only get 4gb per process with PAE and io is on a different segment and it's generally a pita. |
| 23:45.09 | lavamind | hello, |
| 23:45.11 | Miesco | \amethyst: I use proprietary nvidia drivers, not for flash, java, yea a bit |
| 23:45.26 | Miesco | Will 64-bit become the new standard? |
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| 23:45.32 | \amethyst | eventually, maybe |
| 23:45.45 | crazyfrog | alsa reload do not remove or re-add modules |
| 23:45.49 | keith4_ | nevyn, right. i was just correcting \amethyst |
| 23:45.58 | Miesco | If I have a 64-bit kernel can I only get 64-bit software? |
| 23:46.11 | verblendet | bwlang, how can you echo on a machine that hangs on reboot? or do you still have a console? |
| 23:46.43 | lavamind | using gnome/nautilus, I find I can no longer mount NTFS partitions, a doubleclick on the partitions icon in the places bar does nothing at all, i could not find an error message anywhere, ntfs-3g is installed on my system and works fine when using sudo on the commandline |
| 23:47.21 | keith4_ | Miesco, if you are asking that question, you have a lot of reading to do before you should try a 64 bit kernel |
| 23:47.39 | lavamind | in ubuntu it works though, a root prompt opens up when trying to mount an NTFS partition, I looked but couldn't find any way to duplicate this behavior on Debian |
| 23:47.47 | lavamind | Debian unstable that is |
| 23:48.54 | Miesco | keith4_: Okay, well I guess what I want to know is, im buying ubuntu and my choices are AMD, i386, and PPC, if I pick i386 does that just mean its i386 and has nothing to do with bits |
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| 23:49.11 | firebird619 | timonator: It does not output anything |
| 23:49.25 | keith4_ | ... you're buying ubuntu? wtf? |
| 23:49.37 | Miesco | Yea, for the stickers |
| 23:49.37 | keith4_ | so go ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:49.46 | verblendet | Miesco, ? buying ubuntu? omg. erm... so ask in #ubuntu |
| 23:50.25 | Miesco | It doesn't matter, im just talking about software in general, I could of replaced Ubuntu with 'software' |
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| 23:50.39 | Miesco | You guys anti-ubuntu or something? |
| 23:50.54 | Miesco | Cause if you are I will go ask there (but I already did and no answer :) |
| 23:51.00 | verblendet | i386 means i86 in general. intel arch. but if its a modern pentium 4 with 64bit support, it will load the amd kernel |
| 23:51.12 | themill | Miesco: you have to understand that we'd rather provide help people who are using Debian than those who are not. |
| 23:51.16 | verblendet | ubuntu is somewhat 'special' |
| 23:51.25 | Miesco | themill: I am using debian, right now |
| 23:51.25 | lavamind | Miesco, I dont think people here are anti-ubuntu, probably just only sick of answering question about Ubuntu in the Debian channel .... |
| 23:51.32 | keith4_ | yep |
| 23:51.43 | themill | Miesco: Stick with it then. |
| 23:51.53 | verblendet | should go and donate to debian in some way :)) |
| 23:51.55 | Wyzard | Miesco: A 64-bit kernel can run 32-bit programs |
| 23:51.55 | Miesco | Im using Debian right now, #Debian is much better help then #Ubuntu :) |
| 23:52.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper |
| 23:52.08 | Miesco | verblendet: Who says I haven't? |
| 23:52.11 | themill | Miesco: that's another reason to stick with debian then |
| 23:52.13 | verblendet | Miesco, why not installing debian then? |
| 23:52.14 | Wyzard | Miesco: but 32-bit programs depend on 32-bit libraries, and a 64-bit Debian install doesn't provide many of those |
| 23:52.34 | verblendet | Miesco, i said "I should go...", its me |
| 23:52.44 | Miesco | Cause I want something with up to date software where it still has nvidia-kernel |
| 23:52.59 | verblendet | Wyzard, you can install compat libs :) |
| 23:53.18 | Miesco | Wyzard: You have a 64-bit arch? |
| 23:53.25 | verblendet | Wyzard, and debians default behaviour on intel 64 is to choose amd kernel without asking ;) |
| 23:53.50 | Miesco | AMD kernel? |
| 23:53.51 | verblendet | Miesco, 64bit amd kernel means a lot of work to get other apps running sometimes. |
| 23:54.02 | verblendet | yes its calld amd64 kernel for some odd reason. |
| 23:54.06 | Wyzard | Miesco: yes |
| 23:54.08 | themill | verblendet: not if you stick an i386 iso in it's not. |
| 23:54.15 | Miesco | What about a 64bit x86 kernel? |
| 23:54.23 | verblendet | wonders why a brandname is hidden in te kernel name |
| 23:54.24 | Wyzard | verblendet: That's because it's the only kernel there is on 64-bit Debian |
| 23:54.49 | Wyzard | verblendet: There were some "-em64t" kernel packages for awhile, but they were just compatibility packages which depended on the -amd64 ones |
| 23:54.50 | verblendet | Wyzard, yes i know, but the "AMD" is a bit... disturbing :) (for political reasons) |
| 23:55.38 | Miesco | SO should I just install a 32-bit kernel or what |
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| 23:56.02 | verblendet | Miesco, your decision, but 64bit kernel is still ok, remember to install liba32 or so |
| 23:56.22 | unixSnob | who knows about generic video drivers? Are the VESA and VGA drivers the only generic ones? |
| 23:56.22 | verblendet | the installer will choose the right one (on a debian install cd!!!) |
| 23:56.29 | Miesco | Okay, do most people with 64-bit arch's get 64-bit kernels? |
| 23:56.35 | verblendet | yes |
| 23:56.35 | unixSnob | needs a uxga video driver |
| 23:56.39 | themill | no |
| 23:56.48 | Wyzard | verblendet: Some distros call it "x86-64" for that reason, but AMD created it, so "amd64" seems reasonable |
| 23:57.01 | crazyfrog | who knows how to remove a module which is in using? |
| 23:57.04 | verblendet | amd created it? :O |
| 23:57.06 | Wyzard | verblendet: If that were a problem, we'd also have to think about taking off the "i" from "i386"... |
| 23:57.20 | Wyzard | verblendet: yes, AMD created the AMD64 instruction-set architecture |
| 23:57.20 | verblendet | Wyzard, yes :D |
| 23:57.25 | Meaw | I cant install libc6, says i must have kernel 2.6, but when i do apt-get install the kernel.2.6 it gives an error says i have to do apt-get -f install to install libc6 |
| 23:57.28 | verblendet | call it 'kernel' |
| 23:57.36 | themill | !tell Meaw about bat |
| 23:57.49 | Wyzard | Meaw: "install libc6"? |
| 23:57.55 | Wyzard | Meaw: It's installed already |
| 23:58.03 | Wyzard | What are you actually trying to do? |
| 23:58.14 | Meaw | im trying to upgrade to kernel 2.6 |
| 23:58.16 | verblendet | Wyzard, may depend on his debian install, maybe an older one |
| 23:58.21 | Miesco | Im so confused, what will I notice as a change if I get a 64-bit kernel? |
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| 23:58.29 | Miesco | Will I notice a change? |
| 23:58.34 | Meaw | Yes i have an old version trying to upgrade it. |
| 23:58.40 | verblendet | Miesco, not really |
| 23:58.56 | crazyfrog | who knows how to remove a module which is in using? |
| 23:58.59 | Miesco | verblendet: Okay, so 64-bit wont take up all my 4gigs of ram will it? |
| 23:59.03 | Meaw | themill, nothing is wrong on my ram |
| 23:59.04 | themill | Miesco: the change you will notice is that some non-free software like flash and the java plugin don't work without lots of frigging around. |
| 23:59.12 | verblendet | Miesco, no, 32 bit wont |
| 23:59.33 | Miesco | themill: I see |
| 23:59.35 | themill | Meaw: wtf? Please provide us with the information that dpkg just requested. |
| 23:59.52 | Miesco | themill: I NEED non-free nvidia |
| 23:59.57 | Miesco | What else could I use? |