| 00:00.59 | ``y7 | xrandr -q shows me that i only have 640x480 and 320x240, both in 60hz. how can i get a higher resolution? |
| 00:01.21 | Doug52392 | ``y7: What graphics card? |
| 00:01.22 | AssociateX | debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso <---- is this the one I want for my AthlonXP with KDE unit? |
| 00:02.02 | ryushe | what is the best option if all I want to do is send mail from a debian machine? ie. easiest/smallest ? |
| 00:02.26 | streuner | !smarthost |
| 00:02.27 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
| 00:02.45 | streuner | AssociateX: bascially not a bad idea, but read "/msg dpkg ig" too |
| 00:02.50 | Mantaar | ryushe: try msmtp. It's minimal and foolproof. apt-get install msmtp |
| 00:02.59 | lobak | hello..im using debian etch 4.0r1 ..recently i heard that debian etch has now 4.0 ..do i need to update or upgrade to 4.0 ?or is it possible to upgrade 4.0r1 to 4.0 ? |
| 00:03.01 | Nyle | streuner, yo |
| 00:03.07 | streuner | hi |
| 00:03.12 | ``y7 | Doug52392, how do i figure that out for you? |
| 00:03.13 | ryushe | thanks Mantaar, I'll check it out |
| 00:03.14 | Nyle | how is it going there? |
| 00:03.37 | Nyle | AssociateX, I like KDE, I recommend you get it |
| 00:03.42 | streuner | lobak: if you have security.debian.org in your sources.list all things are fine |
| 00:04.59 | AssociateX | Nyle: Oh yeah, I'm die hard KDE |
| 00:05.33 | streuner | !+tell lobak -about security |
| 00:05.35 | dpkg | told lobak about security. |
| 00:05.53 | AssociateX | I just wanted to know if that was the iso I wanted for my Athlon XP unit that I'll be putting KDEon |
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| 00:06.15 | linux_jones | has anyone here ever played with Lirc? |
| 00:06.21 | AssociateX | It's 20% downloaded now |
| 00:06.32 | lobak | oh i see |
| 00:07.16 | Nyle | kabol |
| 00:07.23 | ``y7 | is there anybody i can pay in here(via paypal) to ssh into my machine and get my graphics card up to 800x600? |
| 00:07.24 | lobak | ok i'll add it now |
| 00:07.33 | Nyle | AssociateX, its ok |
| 00:07.37 | Nyle | AssociateX, go with it |
| 00:08.15 | Nyle | ``y7, dude |
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| 00:08.20 | Nyle | don't pay man |
| 00:08.20 | Nyle | wtf |
| 00:08.25 | ``y7 | i can't seem to get any help |
| 00:08.27 | ``y7 | im willing to pay |
| 00:08.32 | Nyle | why do you think we're here? |
| 00:08.40 | Nyle | non profit volunteer work |
| 00:08.42 | nevyn | to get paid apparently ;) |
| 00:08.45 | ``y7 | to help, but apparently my question is too n00b :( |
| 00:08.50 | nevyn | ``y7: what card? |
| 00:08.55 | ``y7 | i don't know |
| 00:09.06 | Nyle | ``y7, card? drivers? debian version? |
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| 00:09.18 | Nyle | ``y7, copy of xorg.conf on pastebin |
| 00:09.18 | ``y7 | it gets a higher resolution with an lcd monitor, but i hooked up a crt and it won't go above 640x480 |
| 00:09.22 | zinx | ``y7: from a console, type lspci | grep -i vga |
| 00:09.30 | Nyle | ``y7, can the monitor do above that? |
| 00:09.32 | Nyle | hopefully it can |
| 00:09.47 | ``y7 | it's a dell trinitron, i'd imagine it can |
| 00:10.18 | Nyle | do what zinx said, and then also let me see your xorg.conf |
| 00:10.22 | ma3x | is there silverlight plugin or something for firefox? |
| 00:10.23 | Nyle | s/me/us |
| 00:10.35 | ``y7 | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) |
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| 00:10.57 | nevyn | rage pro that's quite old but should be reasonably well supported |
| 00:11.03 | CompWizrd | that card sounds familiar.. think there's 8 meg of ram on them |
| 00:11.05 | Nyle | ``y7, can you pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 00:11.07 | zinx | yeah, via ati driver |
| 00:11.11 | CompWizrd | so 32 bit in high resolution could be an issue |
| 00:11.16 | streuner | nevyn: well |
| 00:11.19 | Nyle | CompWizrd, hmm |
| 00:11.20 | CompWizrd | but 800x600 should be trivial even in 32bit |
| 00:11.40 | streuner | had to install a different package out of woody, IIRC |
| 00:11.42 | ``y7 | cannot open display: (null) |
| 00:11.44 | Nyle | I just wanna see how you have it configured (say it works with lcd, but not crt) |
| 00:11.49 | streuner | in order to use Rage Pro |
| 00:11.50 | ``y7 | when i try to open xorg.conf with gedit |
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| 00:12.04 | Nyle | I'm not so sure it would be a video memory issue. |
| 00:12.12 | nevyn | ``y7: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg select vesa. |
| 00:12.13 | AssociateX | Nyle: thanks |
| 00:12.21 | nevyn | see what happens |
| 00:12.21 | Nyle | AssociateX, sure |
| 00:12.28 | streuner | yeah, vesa should be fine or vga |
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| 00:13.34 | Nyle | 08:08 < ``y7> it gets a higher resolution with an lcd monitor, but i hooked up a crt and it won't go above 640x480 |
| 00:14.26 | ``y7 | it's asking me to select a mouse port, which should i select? |
| 00:14.27 | streuner | What do you expect with such videocard? :-) |
| 00:14.41 | streuner | What kind of mouse do you have? |
| 00:14.42 | CompWizrd | is the CRT fixed frequency? which one is it? |
| 00:14.51 | ``y7 | 3 button ps2 |
| 00:14.57 | Nyle | imps2 |
| 00:15.09 | Nyle | protocol or port? |
| 00:15.10 | Nyle | wtf |
| 00:15.11 | streuner | /dev/psaux |
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| 00:16.47 | ``y7 | ok that is all done, do i need to reboot? |
| 00:17.06 | streuner | no |
| 00:17.19 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:17.26 | Nyle | #ubuntu says restart. |
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| 00:17.31 | Nyle | after like every little fucking thing |
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| 00:17.45 | zinx | Nyle: Debian isn't ubuntu |
| 00:17.59 | Nyle | and boy am I thankful for that |
| 00:18.01 | streuner | hey, that's real ubuntu ;-) |
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| 00:18.34 | ``y7 | xrandr -q still only shows 640x480 and 320x240 |
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| 00:19.01 | zinx | tbh, switching to vesa/vga is the absolute last thing i'd try to _increase_ the resolution :/ |
| 00:19.31 | ``y7 | do you think if i reformat with this monitor instead of my other one, it'll detect it and set it up better? |
| 00:19.41 | ``y7 | i went with vesa, not vga, should i try again with vga? |
| 00:19.41 | Nyle | no |
| 00:19.58 | Nyle | no |
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| 00:20.24 | zinx | no one can do much of anything without your xorg.conf and monitor's model number |
| 00:20.38 | zinx | what's most likely happening is the EDID info isn't being properly reported with your CRT, for whatever reason |
| 00:20.47 | zinx | so X is using fallback sync ranges |
| 00:20.50 | Nyle | (if you notice, thats the first thing I really asked. and multiple times... xorg.conf...) |
| 00:21.04 | Nyle | zinx, manually has to specify on old CRTS |
| 00:21.05 | ``y7 | dell ultrascan p780, how do i open xorg.conf? |
| 00:21.05 | zinx | i don't even know why anyone suggested you change the driver, but eh, it wasn't me, so whatever :/ |
| 00:21.06 | Nyle | usually |
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| 00:21.18 | Nyle | vert/horiz sync ranges need to manually be specified afaict |
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| 00:21.57 | CompWizrd | 48-120hz, 30-85khz, according to the first hit on google |
| 00:22.01 | zinx | Nyle: most likely, in this case |
| 00:22.03 | nevyn | it's possible that the rage can't query edid.. |
| 00:22.07 | CompWizrd | 17" screen, max res is 1600x1200 |
| 00:22.08 | nevyn | or that the dell lies. |
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| 00:22.12 | nevyn | monitors often lie. |
| 00:22.16 | nevyn | tv's doubly so |
| 00:22.23 | zinx | nevyn: yeah, that's the most common case with modern hardware (lying EDID) |
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| 00:22.43 | zinx | i don't know when CRTs started using EDIDs, but they've been doing it for a while |
| 00:22.44 | nevyn | TV's and 16:9 displays are the worst for it. |
| 00:22.48 | zinx | nevyn: indeed |
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| 00:23.01 | nevyn | zinx: tho not entirely their fault |
| 00:23.01 | _ZeuZ_ | guys I need to define a range of ports to be forwarded to a host... so that 20111 goes to 20111 of that host, also 29999 and so on, but doing it manually with each port would be suicide, how can I do it? |
| 00:23.02 | zinx | nevyn: we get people in #nVidia all the time with bad EDID info |
| 00:23.14 | ``y7 | how can i open xorg.conf? i tried with gedit, but it wasn't working |
| 00:23.32 | zinx | ``y7: you should be able to open it with any text editor, though there may be a pastebin that makes sending files easier |
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| 00:25.08 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, router w/ web interface? or iptables? |
| 00:25.08 | nevyn | ``y7: you need to have root privilages to open that file. |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | !paste |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | !pastebin |
| 00:25.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | dpkg, hi |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | there was a cli paste factoid |
| 00:25.08 | Nyle | &paste |
| 00:25.09 | nevyn | zinx: apparently the edid message format has wierd restrictions on the resolution data that make 16:9 modes not work right. |
| 00:25.09 | Nyle | !ping |
| 00:25.09 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle: iptables |
| 00:25.09 | Nyle | I'm not lagging, wtf is going on with dpkg now... hopefully its ok |
| 00:25.09 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 00:25.09 | dpkg | privet, nyle |
| 00:25.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:25.23 | Nyle | oof |
| 00:25.50 | zinx | nevyn: no, you have to provide it in one of the extended formats though |
| 00:26.18 | ``y7 | http://pastebin.ca/995285 |
| 00:26.32 | zinx | nevyn: a lot of the bad EDID i've seen even has the wrong model |
| 00:26.46 | ``y7 | im using vi, joe, and gedit wouldn't open it. how do i select all to copy? |
| 00:26.51 | zinx | nevyn: wrong sync ranges, etc |
| 00:26.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle, dpkg lagged xD |
| 00:27.03 | zinx | nevyn: so it's clearly manufacturers being lazy :/ |
| 00:27.04 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle: Iptables, might you give me a hand? |
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| 00:28.16 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, -A FOWARD -p tcp -i eth(whatever) -d destination x.x.x.x --dport whatever |
| 00:28.26 | Nyle | something or other |
| 00:28.28 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle, but I need a portrange |
| 00:28.33 | Nyle | oh thts right |
| 00:28.43 | _ZeuZ_ | doing it manually will kill me.... it's like, 20000 ports xD |
| 00:28.47 | _ZeuZ_ | damned random local ports... |
| 00:29.15 | Nyle | well |
| 00:29.15 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:29.23 | CompWizrd | you can do ranges of ports though, afaik |
| 00:29.38 | _ZeuZ_ | CompWizrd, yes, but how? xD |
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| 00:29.50 | Nyle | NAT --to 192.168.0.2:2074-2076 |
| 00:30.00 | Nyle | NAT --to 192.168.0.2:137-139 |
| 00:30.03 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 00:30.17 | _ZeuZ_ | Gotcha |
| 00:30.32 | _ZeuZ_ | I;m using DNAT and SNAT though NAT table remains the same name, right? |
| 00:31.04 | Nyle | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p (whatever kinda traffic you want) -d yourlocalip --dport from-to -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.2:from-to |
| 00:31.08 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
| 00:31.29 | _ZeuZ_ | why withiptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p udp -i eth3 -d 201.234.32.14 --dport 21500 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.171:21500 I do not get it like udp in iptables -t nat -L ? |
| 00:31.40 | AssociateX | my deb iso dl is done, yippy |
| 00:31.46 | Nyle | do you have any other rules present |
| 00:31.47 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:31.55 | _ZeuZ_ | yes but not related... |
| 00:32.00 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:32.42 | Nyle | UK Electro ftw |
| 00:32.52 | Nyle | does the chicken head dance while he thinks |
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| 00:33.39 | Nyle | argh.. phone |
| 00:34.01 | _ZeuZ_ | something like this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 201.234.32.14 --dport 21000-22000 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.171:21000-22000 >>>> Should work, right? |
| 00:34.36 | _ZeuZ_ | hmmm... no,it didn't... what might be the mistake there? |
| 00:34.52 | Nyle | I don't see one |
| 00:35.26 | Nyle | You have a syntax problem I think. |
| 00:35.31 | Nyle | er.. hmm |
| 00:35.58 | _ZeuZ_ | determining the interface is not needed right? |
| 00:37.16 | Nyle | oh come on man |
| 00:37.21 | Nyle | fucking |
| 00:37.23 | Nyle | --dport= |
| 00:37.26 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.34 | Nyle | :/ |
| 00:37.38 | ``y7 | http://pastebin.ca/995294 |
| 00:37.41 | ``y7 | ^^^^ xorg.conf |
| 00:37.53 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle: Huh? come again? |
| 00:38.26 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 201.234.32.14 --dport=21000-22000 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.171:21000-22000 >>>>>>>> That? |
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| 00:38.44 | CompWizrd | is the useFBdev "yes" part normal? |
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| 00:39.17 | _ZeuZ_ | Not working either |
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| 00:39.46 | Nyle | you know its been a while |
| 00:39.46 | CompWizrd | y7: might need to see /var/log/Xorg.0.log too |
| 00:39.51 | Nyle | I am not even on linux :/ |
| 00:39.52 | ``y7 | k |
| 00:39.52 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:40.08 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, /me is using friggin xp home for months |
| 00:40.20 | Nyle | let me look through the thing |
| 00:40.21 | _ZeuZ_ | :O! |
| 00:40.30 | _ZeuZ_ | why's that? a little vacation? |
| 00:40.51 | Nyle | gaming |
| 00:40.54 | Nyle | so kinda yeah |
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| 00:42.05 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, 1) no need to explicitly specify the new destination ports if they're going to match the original ones |
| 00:42.44 | _ZeuZ_ | Ok, then, how can I automate the ranges? |
| 00:42.46 | Nyle | --dport xxxx:xxxx -j DNAT --to-destination x.x.x.x |
| 00:43.00 | Nyle | specify a portrange with : colon |
| 00:43.03 | Nyle | not - hypen |
| 00:43.05 | Nyle | hyphen |
| 00:43.32 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 201.234.32.14 --dport 21000:22000 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.171 |
| 00:43.35 | _ZeuZ_ | like that, right? |
| 00:43.41 | Nyle | looks right |
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| 00:44.05 | ``y7 | CompWizrd, is there a way i can copyall after i selectall in joe? copying 1 page at a time on /var/log/Xorg.0.log is looking like it'll never end |
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| 00:45.03 | ``y7 | of course i say that and then it ends.... http://pastebin.ca/995299 |
| 00:45.15 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, sorry, its been a long time since I fucked with iptables |
| 00:45.29 | Nyle | I done made my firewalls long time ago and my router hasn't gone down in like.... years |
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| 00:47.07 | CompWizrd | # |
| 00:47.07 | CompWizrd | (II) ATI(0): SyncMaster: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00 kHz |
| 00:47.07 | CompWizrd | # |
| 00:47.07 | CompWizrd | (II) ATI(0): SyncMaster: Using default vrefresh range of 43.00-72.00 Hz |
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| 00:47.22 | CompWizrd | doh, you'd think i'd remember, heh |
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| 00:47.28 | CompWizrd | but anyways, those are out of range for that monitor |
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| 00:47.36 | _ZeuZ_ | Oky, now the port range is forwarded, still it doesn't look like open... it looks like filtered(nmap says)... how can I explicitly open it? |
| 00:47.43 | ``y7 | how can i go about fixing that CompWizrd? |
| 00:47.52 | CompWizrd | and that looks like the ATI driver is still being used... |
| 00:48.09 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, should be open... |
| 00:48.32 | _ZeuZ_ | scan me, 201.234.32.14 you'll see they are listed as filtered |
| 00:48.52 | Nyle | oh asdlkfa;lksdjf;lasjkdf;lsaj |
| 00:48.53 | Nyle | fuckin phone |
| 00:49.01 | Nyle | godadmit stop callin me people |
| 00:49.18 | Nyle | hang on |
| 00:49.51 | CompWizrd | y7: ok, that xorg should be working.. you did stop X and restart it, right? |
| 00:50.03 | ``y7 | X = the gui? |
| 00:50.15 | CompWizrd | cause the log file you pasted shows it's using the ATI driver(which should work fine), yet your xorg says VESA |
| 00:50.19 | BubbaT | Hey how can i flush /var/cache/apt from synaptic? |
| 00:50.44 | ``y7 | [WedApr23: 20:10:14] <nevyn> ``y7: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg select vesa. |
| 00:50.49 | ``y7 | i selected vesa CompWizrd |
| 00:50.52 | Nyle | its in the optoins somewhere... go browse around synaptic config |
| 00:50.56 | _ZeuZ_ | Well, I cannot telnet them either |
| 00:51.02 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, hang |
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| 00:51.25 | CompWizrd | yeah, but did you restart X after that? |
| 00:51.31 | ``y7 | is X my gui? |
| 00:51.48 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:51.52 | ``y7 | im rebooting now |
| 00:52.01 | CompWizrd | don't need to reboot, just needs to restart X |
| 00:52.04 | CompWizrd | but ok |
| 00:52.07 | simonrvn | no need to reboot... |
| 00:52.13 | CompWizrd | someone should walk you through putting it back to ATI too :) |
| 00:52.25 | simonrvn | !drxx |
| 00:52.25 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 00:52.32 | Nyle | back |
| 00:52.34 | Nyle | simonrvn, hi |
| 00:52.44 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, I'm not sure, let me think for a sec or two |
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| 00:53.02 | Nyle | its probably some another stupid mistake I'm making somewhere |
| 00:53.10 | Nyle | but its good for me too, cuz im refreshing my memory |
| 00:53.14 | simonrvn | hello |
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| 00:53.26 | develCuy | hello, I've tried to backport xorg-xserver to etch |
| 00:53.44 | develCuy | I can only get compilation errors :( |
| 00:53.45 | _ZeuZ_ | shouldn-t there somewhere be a -j ALLOW or ACCEPT? |
| 00:53.56 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, yeh dude |
| 00:54.01 | Nyle | I thought you'd have figured that |
| 00:54.04 | simonrvn | why are you backport xorg? |
| 00:54.05 | AssociateX | which release of KDE is current for Debian? |
| 00:54.11 | Nyle | I only gave you the bits int he iptables that you were asking for |
| 00:54.13 | Nyle | port ranges |
| 00:54.19 | Nyle | I didn't know you weren't gonna fully do the whole thing :) |
| 00:54.26 | Nyle | yes.. accept, that will help indeed |
| 00:54.34 | AssociateX | <--- I don't have debian installed yet |
| 00:54.36 | develCuy | simonrvn, I need i965 display driver |
| 00:54.43 | develCuy | for em64 |
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| 00:55.22 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 201.234.32.14 --dport 21000:22000 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.171 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:55.24 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables v1.3.8: multiple -j flags not allowed |
| 00:55.28 | ``y7 | CompWizrd, rebooting worked |
| 00:55.37 | _ZeuZ_ | any further idea Nyle? |
| 00:56.33 | CompWizrd | you probably want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg select ati though,i'd think the ati driver would be better than vesa |
| 00:56.36 | Nyle | yeh |
| 00:56.38 | Nyle | previous rules |
| 00:56.54 | simonrvn | develCuy: so get the source for that and backport that |
| 00:57.03 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle: ???? |
| 00:57.12 | _ZeuZ_ | how-to add the accept flag there? |
| 00:57.26 | simonrvn | develCuy: it's modular for a reason ;) (several) |
| 00:57.48 | Nyle | dude |
| 00:57.55 | Nyle | you just previously specified a -j DNAT |
| 00:57.59 | Nyle | look in the thing |
| 00:58.11 | Nyle | seriously with all due respect you need to read iptables howto or something |
| 00:58.12 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:58.34 | _ZeuZ_ | I know :P |
| 00:58.40 | _ZeuZ_ | I'm pretty damn green in this |
| 00:58.41 | Nyle | and this really is now in the realm of ##networking |
| 00:58.43 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:58.44 | _ZeuZ_ | though I only need that |
| 00:59.00 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:59.05 | _ZeuZ_ | Once it's done, I';; stop buggin... |
| 00:59.10 | _ZeuZ_ | and hopefully |
| 00:59.10 | Nyle | hang |
| 00:59.12 | _ZeuZ_ | I'll learn |
| 00:59.59 | AssociateX | which release of KDE is current for Debian? |
| 01:00.00 | AssociateX | <--- I don't have debian installed yet |
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| 01:00.16 | _ZeuZ_ | depends on what branch AssociateX |
| 01:00.20 | ``y7 | sorry CompWizrd, got a phone call right at the end of that.... thank you for all your help and thanks to everybody else too :) |
| 01:00.22 | _ZeuZ_ | SID uses 3.5.9 or 4.0.X |
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| 01:00.50 | benjamindees | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=kde-core |
| 01:01.04 | AssociateX | _ZeuZ_: ha! cool, thanks for the info |
| 01:01.08 | plb | Does anyone here know of a place to find .debs for Resin 3.1 |
| 01:01.23 | AssociateX | what does SID stand for? |
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| 01:01.37 | _ZeuZ_ | currently unstable |
| 01:01.39 | benjamindees | still in development |
| 01:01.45 | f00li5h | AssociateX: is the boy next door who breaks all the toys! |
| 01:01.46 | AssociateX | thank you |
| 01:01.52 | AssociateX | lol |
| 01:01.54 | CompWizrd | AssociateX, the unstable branch of debian, where new packages are tested and introduced. from Toy Story, the boy that breaks toys |
| 01:02.01 | CompWizrd | if you break it, you get to keep both pieces |
| 01:02.13 | plb | The builder of the airship in most FF games |
| 01:02.14 | f00li5h | dpkg: sid? |
| 01:02.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 01:02.35 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 201.234.32.14 --dport 21000:22000 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.171 |
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| 01:02.42 | CompWizrd | plb: think that's Cid :) |
| 01:02.45 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -d 201.234.32.14 --dport 21000:22000 -j ACCEPT |
| 01:02.58 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, two lines |
| 01:02.59 | plb | CompWizrd: dang... need to hook the PS2 back up then :-P |
| 01:03.01 | AssociateX | f00li5h: CompWizrd: hey, I'm on Gento with kde 3.5.8 not even 9 yet, I just wanted to make sure that I didn't have to go back to 3.3.X or something, |
| 01:03.02 | Nyle | if I'm still wrong |
| 01:03.02 | Mantaar | I find "sid is dangerous" for sid to be a much better backronym |
| 01:03.04 | Nyle | then I dunno anymore |
| 01:03.10 | AssociateX | <--- I know not much about Deb |
| 01:03.10 | Nyle | I am not a guru with iptables |
| 01:03.40 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, http://paste.debian.net/1440/ |
| 01:03.57 | AssociateX | burning Deb iso now |
| 01:04.02 | AssociateX | yippy |
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| 01:04.05 | _ZeuZ_ | nyle, should I clean previous rules? |
| 01:04.09 | CompWizrd | i'm an icewm or console fan, so i don't do kde.. looks like backports.org has 3.5.7 available though |
| 01:04.09 | Nyle | yes |
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| 01:04.21 | Nyle | wow |
| 01:04.26 | Nyle | tech support while sober is hard |
| 01:04.28 | Nyle | :/ |
| 01:04.34 | AssociateX | what's sober |
| 01:04.36 | AssociateX | he he |
| 01:04.40 | plb | ugh why can't these people use Tomcat, I don't want to setup Resin without .debs |
| 01:05.23 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, I didn't know I would have to type it all up |
| 01:05.43 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, I had thought that giving you the part you asked about (port ranges) would be sufficient |
| 01:05.47 | Nyle | :) no biggie |
| 01:06.01 | Nyle | Its just that I have not touched iptables in years literaly |
| 01:06.25 | _ZeuZ_ | lol |
| 01:06.32 | CompWizrd | at least he wasn't looking for ipchains help |
| 01:07.04 | Nyle | man |
| 01:07.05 | Nyle | damn |
| 01:07.14 | Nyle | seriously if I was stoned as usual right now |
| 01:07.26 | Nyle | I wouldn't have remembered. I would probably be asking, wtf is iptables ? |
| 01:07.28 | Nyle | heh |
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| 01:07.47 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, give me the good news dude, tell me it work! |
| 01:08.14 | Nyle | AssociateX, kde is awesome |
| 01:08.32 | AssociateX | I've used KDE for like 10 years now |
| 01:08.36 | AssociateX | something like that |
| 01:08.43 | _ZeuZ_ | grrr worse now: 21500/tcp closed unknown |
| 01:08.45 | Nyle | word |
| 01:08.54 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, oh boy |
| 01:08.56 | AssociateX | ha ha "word" |
| 01:10.00 | Nyle | its funny is it? :) |
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| 01:13.26 | _ZeuZ_ | not even scanning from the localhost gives me the port as open |
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| 01:13.35 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.49 | Nyle | you gotta check your other rules man, I know what I gave you is right |
| 01:14.01 | Nyle | anyone else feel free to help us out |
| 01:14.03 | Nyle | thanks |
| 01:14.11 | _ZeuZ_ | I flushed the rest of them, and applied that ones |
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| 01:15.17 | _ZeuZ_ | http://pastebin.com/d5cd796fa >>> That is the full script I have |
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| 01:17.50 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle:(just for the lag sake) http://pastebin.com/d5cd796fa >>> That is the full script I have |
| 01:18.16 | AssociateX | well, time to boot up my deb install cd, see you all later (probably tomorrow). |
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| 01:21.24 | JairunCa1oth | Hey guys |
| 01:21.35 | JairunCa1oth | What processors are IA-64? |
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| 01:21.50 | netdaemon | i'd assume xeons and itaniums |
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| 01:21.55 | acu07 | I want to convert a .rm (real media video) to any other video format (preferably 3g2 - o 3gp but can be wmv or other format - can ayone tell me some ways to do that ? |
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| 01:23.11 | JairunCa1oth | So what arch do I want for a intel core 2 duo? amd64? |
| 01:23.23 | netdaemon | yes |
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| 01:23.50 | JairunCa1oth | Heh, slightly misleading |
| 01:24.06 | netdaemon | intel can't even use their own arch ;) |
| 01:24.08 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 01:24.33 | talcite | hi guys. What is the release schedule for packages in the debian stable repos? |
| 01:24.59 | talcite | Do they release as soon as they are ready from the testing repo? |
| 01:25.12 | netdaemon | debian stable only gets security updates afaik |
| 01:25.12 | nevyn | no. |
| 01:25.13 | talcite | or are there release cycles? |
| 01:25.13 | CompWizrd | xeon's are amd64 still |
| 01:25.21 | Wyzard | talcite: There's a release cycle of roughly 18 months |
| 01:25.27 | talcite | =S |
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| 01:25.55 | netdaemon | talcite, testing recieves security updates and updated packages if you need something recent |
| 01:25.57 | JairunCa1oth | heh, so only itaniums use IA64? |
| 01:25.59 | netdaemon | and its pretty solid too |
| 01:26.00 | nevyn | Wyzard: /me plots historical release cycles. on a graph.. looks aysmtotic to me... ;) |
| 01:26.06 | talcite | so if there's a bug in a package I'm using... then I get the fix 18 months later? =/ |
| 01:26.11 | talcite | hmm yes I think I'll give testing a shot |
| 01:26.16 | talcite | 10 days is manageable |
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| 01:26.38 | _ZeuZ_ | talcite: just stay away from experimental |
| 01:26.39 | notjosh | can anyone help with getting mysql and apache/dbd support in etch? |
| 01:26.59 | CompWizrd | talcite, bugs are still fixed, just not new features.. fixes get backported from newer releases |
| 01:26.59 | talcite | I'm tired of waiting for updates to bugs that have been released, (ubuntu) and I'm tired of waiting 2 days to compile xorg (gentoo) =S. Someone said I should give debian a shot |
| 01:27.06 | Wyzard | talcite: Security fixes are released immediately, as updates which fix the bug and nothing else |
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| 01:27.15 | talcite | I see. |
| 01:27.27 | talcite | so the testing repo will still have security updates? |
| 01:27.27 | Wyzard | talcite: Other than that, a stable release doesn't change once it's been released |
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| 01:27.43 | Wyzard | talcite: No, security updates go through a separate process that doesn't involve unstable and testing |
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| 01:28.18 | Wyzard | talcite: testing gets security updates last, actually (new packages go into unstable, and propagate to testing in the normal fashion with the normal delays) |
| 01:28.45 | talcite | oh. So there's no guarantee that testing packages are secure, and I'll need to apply patches to vulnerabilities myself? |
| 01:29.07 | JairunCa1oth | how unstable is unstable? |
| 01:29.20 | netdaemon | JairunCa1oth, don't use it unless you know your way around debian well |
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| 01:29.23 | Wyzard | talcite: Applying patches generally means recompiling from source, which is generally not recommended -- it kinda defeats the purpose of using packages |
| 01:29.30 | talcite | JairunCa1oth: well I was reading on the wiki that pam broke once =D |
| 01:29.41 | Wyzard | talcite: Don't run testing on important systems |
| 01:29.50 | netdaemon | JairunCa1oth, its generally "stable" for me but i get quirks now and then |
| 01:29.53 | talcite | Wyzard: hmm. I see. Looks like I'm using debian stable =D |
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| 01:30.03 | talcite | thanks |
| 01:30.12 | JairunCa1oth | is it more stable then gentoo :-p |
| 01:30.24 | netdaemon | JairunCa1oth, i havn't used gentoo in a while so i can't say |
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| 01:30.37 | netdaemon | i found the compiling a bit retarted for what little speed increase i got |
| 01:30.42 | Wyzard | talcite: The idea behind stable is that you set up your system and get it working the way you want, and you can trust that critical bugs will be fixed in a timely fashion without making any other behavioral changes that might disrupt your setup |
| 01:30.53 | Nyle | !gentoosmite gentoo |
| 01:30.54 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling gentoo, and when it's all done, gentoo runs no faster than previously |
| 01:30.57 | Wyzard | talcite: It's aimed at mission-critical systems |
| 01:31.01 | JairunCa1oth | aye, I've been playing with gentoo for a bit after ubuntu. I hate the compile times |
| 01:31.13 | JairunCa1oth | I've been eyeing debian |
| 01:31.18 | netdaemon | debian sid is my happy medium |
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| 01:31.25 | Nyle | talcite, why mission critical systems (critical means critical) don't QNX |
| 01:31.31 | JairunCa1oth | About to upgrade my hardware and was debating on which release to go to |
| 01:31.34 | Nyle | Wyzard, ^ |
| 01:31.51 | Nyle | gentoo for mission critical systems is a horrible idea |
| 01:31.53 | Nyle | imo |
| 01:32.09 | path_ | indeed. |
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| 01:32.19 | Nyle | mission critical usually means real time switching |
| 01:32.28 | JairunCa1oth | gentoo broke ever other time I updated |
| 01:32.31 | Wyzard | Nyle: I don't understand that statement/question |
| 01:32.32 | netdaemon | mission critical doesn't need downtime to wait for an apache compile |
| 01:32.33 | talcite | hmm... Well I'm doing software development on my system ( or will be). I just try to keep the wireless drivers as updated as possible |
| 01:32.57 | Nyle | Wyzard, oh I'm just talking man.. about gentoo and what not |
| 01:32.59 | netdaemon | talcite, for general desktop/software development use, i'd say testing is fine |
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| 01:33.03 | JairunCa1oth | and it's hell when the compiling environment breaks |
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| 01:33.13 | Nyle | Wyzard, you said it was for mission critical systems, and I'm just thinking that sounds bad |
| 01:33.27 | Wyzard | Nyle: I said Debian stable releases are aimed at mission-critical systems |
| 01:33.34 | Wyzard | Nyle: I didn't say anything about Gentoo |
| 01:33.34 | Nyle | Wyzard, my mistake then |
| 01:33.38 | Nyle | I apologize |
| 01:33.44 | talcite | netdaemon: hmm. alright, I'll give that a shot heh. I have one day to install everything and have it all running |
| 01:33.51 | Wyzard | Nyle: I was just trying to figure out what "don't QNX" meant... QNX is not a verb :-) |
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| 01:33.57 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:34.00 | Nyle | don't USE QNX |
| 01:34.06 | Nyle | did I forget .. yes I did |
| 01:34.24 | CompWizrd | i used QNX back in about 1991.. i don't miss it :) |
| 01:34.25 | Nyle | well I thought 'use' but I guess I didn't type it |
| 01:34.35 | Nyle | CompWizrd, 911 runs on it I think |
| 01:34.37 | Nyle | heh :) |
| 01:34.41 | talcite | JairunCa1oth: Gentoo is usually ok. I would gladly use it if I had a faster system to compile everything. I don't though =D |
| 01:34.49 | netdaemon | anyone else get crashes with abiword when trying to insert latex formulas? |
| 01:35.07 | Nyle | some powerplants and nuclear reactors systems run QNX as well |
| 01:35.13 | Nyle | the US Airforce uses QNX |
| 01:35.16 | Nyle | massively |
| 01:35.47 | WaffleMatt | QNX was started as a project for a course at UWaterloo |
| 01:35.52 | WaffleMatt | A course that I plan to take |
| 01:36.00 | WaffleMatt | Maybe my project will be better than QNX? |
| 01:36.06 | Nyle | maybe |
| 01:36.08 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:36.10 | WaffleMatt | :-p |
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| 01:37.08 | CompWizrd | the school system in Ontario Canada used it on a network of classroom computers back in the late 80's to early 90's |
| 01:37.11 | CompWizrd | the Icon system |
| 01:37.27 | Nyle | my first encounter was with a 1.44mb qnx boot floppy |
| 01:37.32 | Nyle | which contained a gui desktop |
| 01:37.36 | Nyle | a browser |
| 01:37.47 | Nyle | a nice and unusual game and other tools and utils |
| 01:37.53 | Nyle | wasn't bad, all on a single floppy |
| 01:38.00 | WaffleMatt | One of my friends interviewed for a job at QNX last november - I didn't even know they existed still. |
| 01:38.09 | Nyle | o yea |
| 01:38.11 | Nyle | going great |
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| 01:38.46 | Nyle | I almost lost a customer today |
| 01:38.59 | Nyle | he called and said I fixed his system 2 months ago and its broken |
| 01:39.08 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle: lol |
| 01:39.15 | Nyle | it broke the same day... I worked with this guy for 2 months |
| 01:39.19 | Nyle | afterI fixed his system |
| 01:39.35 | Nyle | I saw him everyday, I asked him how the system was runing, oh yeh, great, man great, it is fantastic |
| 01:39.45 | Nyle | he can't figure out how to get the volume to go up |
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| 01:39.56 | Nyle | and I'm listening to him bitch about how hes gonna take his business elsewhere |
| 01:40.16 | Nyle | I said just for him considering he is a prev customer, I'll give him a 25% discount this time |
| 01:40.24 | Nyle | so I saved the customer |
| 01:40.32 | _ZeuZ_ | Bet that guy leave his kids touch his pc |
| 01:40.37 | Nyle | and thats pretty much it for my story |
| 01:40.54 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, where are you from? |
| 01:41.04 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, south american? |
| 01:41.13 | _ZeuZ_ | Yup |
| 01:41.25 | _ZeuZ_ | you mean because of the script? or because of I'm too damn lazy? |
| 01:41.30 | Nyle | your scripts were commented in spanish |
| 01:41.31 | Nyle | yes |
| 01:41.38 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 01:41.42 | _ZeuZ_ | lol |
| 01:41.43 | Nyle | what, are south americans lazy? |
| 01:41.53 | Nyle | stereotypically lazy? |
| 01:42.01 | _ZeuZ_ | I don'k know much about servers up to know... theory, but not enough practice... |
| 01:42.02 | Nyle | I thought that was only mexicans (stereotype wise) |
| 01:42.09 | zamuro | Nyle: That's highly offensive for south americans. |
| 01:42.15 | _ZeuZ_ | Nyle, depends on what LAtin American you look at xD |
| 01:42.16 | plb | I thought it was southern Americans that were lazy |
| 01:42.22 | Nyle | zamuro, I can imagine |
| 01:42.31 | _ZeuZ_ | zamuro, my country mate |
| 01:42.38 | _ZeuZ_ | argentinian |
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| 01:42.53 | zamuro | _ZeuZ_: I ain't argentinian, thanks god |
| 01:43.12 | Nyle | see... and thats not offensive to argentenians? |
| 01:43.19 | zamuro | Nyle: Nope... |
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| 01:43.29 | Nyle | you got some skewed thinking mate |
| 01:43.34 | _ZeuZ_ | joint? |
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| 01:43.56 | _ZeuZ_ | hmm.. ain't you the same zamuro of #debian-es ? |
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| 01:44.03 | _ZeuZ_ | oh wait, damn, my bad |
| 01:44.19 | Nyle | if someone said something bad about my people i'd probably be offended |
| 01:44.27 | zamuro | I am... But i ain't argentinian. |
| 01:44.32 | Nyle | but knowing how my people are in reality, I would probably accept that as the truth |
| 01:44.45 | Nyle | and not get offended |
| 01:44.52 | _ZeuZ_ | lol, I forgot that, just came back to my mind |
| 01:45.00 | zamuro | Nyle: That's the thing: Southern americans are not lazy. |
| 01:45.10 | Nyle | then again, people are idiots, they will say whatever they want. Why should I take offense and get worked up? Why should I waste my energy. Fuck em. |
| 01:45.11 | plb | zamuro: Southern or South? |
| 01:45.38 | Nyle | zamuro, I didn't say they were. |
| 01:45.40 | zamuro | plb: Latin americans. |
| 01:45.42 | Nyle | I never made a statement. |
| 01:46.19 | plb | being a southern American (Texan) I can vouch that the South Americans work harder than us gringos :-P |
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| 01:46.31 | Nyle | of course they do |
| 01:46.42 | Nyle | I'm from Louisiana |
| 01:47.10 | Nyle | though we may not have as many mexicans as say Houston, TX, which I used to go to almost every weekend to party (2.5 hour drive) |
| 01:47.16 | Nyle | I know they are not lazy |
| 01:47.24 | Nyle | it was _ZeuZ_ who said that, not me. |
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| 01:47.44 | plb | I'm originally from San Antonio, my old officemate who was from Mexico City called San Antonio the northernmost city in Mexico |
| 01:47.57 | ma3x | can debian play silverlight videos? |
| 01:48.04 | Nyle | silverlight? |
| 01:48.06 | mike23 | hi, just a quick question, do I need the webserver package to make a simple proxy server? |
| 01:48.10 | ma3x | yes, microsoft's silverlight |
| 01:48.31 | ma3x | there are many videos these days using that 'silverlight' |
| 01:48.32 | pinto3 | that the web browser plugin you get when visiting some of their websites? |
| 01:48.33 | plb | http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9829738-2.html |
| 01:48.35 | _ZeuZ_ | ein? |
| 01:48.36 | ma3x | dunno what exactly is |
| 01:48.37 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.39 | _ZeuZ_ | Argentinians are lazy |
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| 01:48.49 | ma3x | Nyle: where? |
| 01:48.53 | plb | Silverlight is MS's attempt to take on Glash |
| 01:48.55 | plb | er..Flash |
| 01:49.12 | alan` | silverlight fails |
| 01:49.13 | amphi | Nyle: please don't use the s-word |
| 01:49.24 | Nyle | amphi, s? |
| 01:49.28 | plb | spam? |
| 01:49.32 | Nyle | silverlight? |
| 01:49.34 | Nyle | cuz is MS |
| 01:49.38 | ma3x | yeah silverlight |
| 01:49.39 | amphi | Nyle: aye |
| 01:49.40 | Nyle | its* |
| 01:49.50 | plb | the Linux clone is being called Moonlight |
| 01:49.55 | Nyle | moonlight |
| 01:49.56 | Nyle | ye |
| 01:49.58 | ma3x | it's used to view videos, nba or mlb replays and stuff like that |
| 01:50.03 | amphi | not necessarily for that - but it's evil drm filth |
| 01:50.21 | ma3x | well can debian play it or not? |
| 01:50.33 | Nyle | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=moonlight |
| 01:50.37 | Nyle | nothing! |
| 01:50.41 | amphi | good |
| 01:50.43 | Nyle | so then.. get from source, build |
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| 01:50.54 | Nyle | amphi, what is this silvercrap crap anyway |
| 01:50.59 | plb | http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight |
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| 01:51.36 | gravity | Why the hell can't you talk about a perfectly viable and valid technology just because it came from Microsofot? |
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| 01:51.39 | amphi | Nyle: yet another proprietary drm'd junk media technology, from what I've heard |
| 01:51.45 | gravity | disgusted |
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| 01:51.48 | Nyle | gravity, /me points to amphi |
| 01:52.00 | plb | could be worse it could be a Apple |
| 01:52.07 | plb | at least MS will license their DRM |
| 01:52.16 | extor | Does anyone here use nginx for perl or php hosting? |
| 01:52.23 | amphi | plb: RAND, eh? |
| 01:52.37 | plb | amphi: RAND? |
| 01:53.31 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.42 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I remember that some time ago we had a command line called baseconf to access some configuration in the system. I think this command have changed. Is there another one which replaced that? |
| 01:53.43 | Nyle | hehe :> |
| 01:53.44 | plb | amphi: found it :-P yeah.. |
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| 01:54.07 | plb | I dislike alot of MS practices but there are worse companies out there that get a free ride |
| 01:54.12 | Nyle | dpkg-reconfigure baseconfig or something? |
| 01:54.16 | Nyle | baseconfig-config |
| 01:54.24 | Nyle | I have no idea its something like that anyway |
| 01:54.24 | ma3x | plb can you open that url you pasted? i cant |
| 01:54.39 | plb | ma3x: yeah I can |
| 01:54.47 | amphi | Nyle: patent 'covenant' crap again, http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/06/microsoft_moonlight_patent_protection/ |
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| 01:54.55 | mike23 | hi, just a quick question, do I need the webserver package to make proxy server? |
| 01:54.58 | ma3x | plb my isp will open some sites but some not |
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| 01:55.02 | ftpd | Elo! |
| 01:55.04 | Nyle | mike23, no |
| 01:55.06 | Damjanek | s/blah/roro |
| 01:55.09 | plb | ma3x.... um... huh |
| 01:55.09 | Damjanek | s/blah/roro/ |
| 01:55.11 | amphi | gravity: that's the sort of thing I see as a problem |
| 01:55.14 | Damjanek | Aint working. |
| 01:55.15 | Damjanek | Ech. |
| 01:55.16 | ftpd | Hmm!1 |
| 01:55.20 | plb | ma3x: are you in the PRC or Iran?? |
| 01:55.20 | Nyle | mike23, just install squid and you will be good to go, let squid pullin whatever it needs |
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| 01:55.26 | Nyle | mike23, #squid too |
| 01:55.35 | Nyle | mike23, unless you want a really basic proxy, lightweight |
| 01:55.37 | mike23 | Thank You Nyle |
| 01:55.39 | ma3x | plb: what's prc? |
| 01:55.43 | Nyle | mike23, sure |
| 01:55.45 | plb | People's Republic of China |
| 01:56.30 | Nyle | plb, you got the indian subcontinent deviding the two |
| 01:56.37 | Nyle | its like asking |
| 01:56.45 | Nyle | have you ever tried sugar... or pcp? |
| 01:56.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:57.24 | plb | Nyle: I was naming countries with national firewalls, but it is more like opium or pcp |
| 01:57.37 | Nyle | plb, no sugar |
| 01:57.43 | Nyle | the point is, its completely unrelated |
| 01:57.45 | plb | needs to stop talking to his Tawaineese coworker about China |
| 01:57.49 | Nyle | heh :) |
| 01:58.47 | plb | but man, what ISP doesn't let you visit any site |
| 01:58.59 | Nyle | 72 virgins will reward you. our nation will be so proud of you. take your rifle and fight for your right, love your platoon and enjoy your fight. |
| 01:59.02 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:59.05 | Nyle | I'm bored again |
| 01:59.49 | Nyle | well I could read, bought some new books this weekend |
| 02:00.22 | Nyle | got an updated copy of Freedom Evolves by some univ. professor called Daniel Dannette, smart man. Good existential psychobabble type philosophy |
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| 02:00.51 | Nyle | amphi, eh.. its so much worse than other MS bullshit |
| 02:00.58 | Nyle | let it be |
| 02:01.02 | amphi | Dennett is interesting IMHO |
| 02:01.10 | Nyle | amphi, you are familiar with his work? |
| 02:01.12 | Nyle | wow |
| 02:01.25 | Nyle | I didn't think you were a philosophically inclined mind |
| 02:01.36 | Nyle | I'm impressed, officially |
| 02:01.45 | amphi | well, I read one of his books, on consciousness |
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| 02:01.54 | Nyle | ahh yes |
| 02:02.02 | Nyle | I saw that, I picked up this one though |
| 02:02.23 | Nyle | there is a passage in which he explains omnipotence |
| 02:02.33 | Nyle | the actual mathematical definition of it |
| 02:02.44 | amphi | I've read Nagarjuna's Mulamadhyamakakarika too (in translation) ;) |
| 02:02.46 | Nyle | in words, made sense |
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| 02:02.56 | Nyle | amphi, I'll be damned |
| 02:03.15 | amphi | probably |
| 02:03.19 | plb | I'm not familiar with him... although looking at his wikipedia entry he looks like he's up my alley (I'm an emergent functionalist) |
| 02:03.21 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 02:03.23 | Nyle | shut up |
| 02:03.24 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I remember that some time ago we had a command line called baseconf to access some configuration in the system. I think this command have changed. Is there another one which replaced that? |
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| 02:04.50 | Nyle | amphi, the mahatma buddh taught there is no substantial essense underlying and supporting the manifest world. |
| 02:05.05 | Nyle | Orion_X11, dpkg-reconfigure baseconfig |
| 02:05.07 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 02:05.13 | Orion_X11 | Sorry for the same question. But, I know that there must be a similia command for that |
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| 02:05.19 | Nyle | there was something like that but I think it was deprecated |
| 02:05.25 | Orion_X11 | Nyle: this does not work |
| 02:05.34 | Nyle | whatever is the package name |
| 02:05.39 | Nyle | base-config? |
| 02:05.45 | Nyle | let me look |
| 02:05.45 | amphi | Nyle: aye, and then the dolts decided that, since all was 'shunya', there was an absolute substrate, shunyata :) |
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| 02:06.02 | Orion_X11 | baseconf |
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| 02:07.56 | wd | ok what's wrong? ~ $ sudo mount /dev/cdrom |
| 02:07.59 | wd | here's ftab,,,/dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,user 0 0 |
| 02:08.09 | amphi | Nyle: kaccayanagotta-sutta FTW ;) |
| 02:08.17 | Nyle | apt-get install base-config |
| 02:08.24 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.25 | Nyle | # base-config |
| 02:08.36 | Nyle | Orion_X11, ^^ |
| 02:09.34 | Nyle | wd, how do we know whtas wrong? |
| 02:09.34 | Orion_X11 | Nyle: Do not work also |
| 02:09.37 | Orion_X11 | :-( |
| 02:09.38 | Nyle | wd, you never told us |
| 02:09.44 | Nyle | Orion_X11, did you install base-config? |
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| 02:10.33 | wd | Nyle: haha hey Nyle. ok. i'm trying to mount my cdrom but getting this error. sudo mount /dev/cdrom |
| 02:10.37 | wd | mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist |
| 02:10.42 | Orion_X11 | Nyle: that package does not exist :-( |
| 02:10.53 | Nyle | Orion_X11, hmm, ok so debianhelp.co.u lies' |
| 02:10.57 | wd | Nyle: here's my fstab.../dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto noauto,user 0 0 |
| 02:10.59 | Nyle | nevermind |
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| 02:11.18 | hellues | !paste |
| 02:11.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:11.29 | consferacy | wd, /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/hdc usually |
| 02:11.34 | Nyle | wd, ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | wd, output here please |
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| 02:12.12 | Nyle | wd, it is a symlink to /dev/hd or sd and then a number (/dev/hdc) etc. |
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| 02:12.20 | Nyle | er.. not a number |
| 02:12.21 | Nyle | wtf |
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| 02:12.35 | wd | wd@gentoo_box ~ $ ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 02:12.35 | wd | ls: cannot access /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory |
| 02:12.43 | wd | ooops wrong box |
| 02:12.46 | Nyle | wd, make sure its correctly pointed to the right thing |
| 02:12.51 | Nyle | wd, ok so make a symlink |
| 02:12.53 | mike23 | if i sue aptitude to install gnome or KDE will I get the whole gnome/kde or just the basic Desktop (i.e. i don?t want the whole gnome with office, pim, etc), how can I do that? |
| 02:13.14 | wd | Nyle: i'm sshd into debian box.. sorry |
| 02:13.17 | Nyle | wd as root, or sudo, ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/stuff |
| 02:13.27 | Nyle | whatever stuff is |
| 02:13.38 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.47 | wd | Nyle: ok |
| 02:13.50 | Nyle | er.. di di specify that backwards |
| 02:13.52 | Nyle | hold on |
| 02:14.00 | Nyle | now fuck i can't remember ln syntax |
| 02:14.02 | Nyle | im an idiot |
| 02:14.23 | wd | Nyle: no you're not...thanks. |
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| 02:14.59 | plb | mike23: there are virtual packages that are the whole thing, but you can just install the parts you want |
| 02:15.09 | plb | mike23: I never use the virtual package |
| 02:15.23 | benjamindees | mike23, kde-core or gnome-core are the basic desktops |
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| 02:15.35 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 02:15.35 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 02:15.38 | Nyle | !install gnome |
| 02:15.38 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 02:15.43 | Nyle | mike23, ^^ |
| 02:16.11 | Nyle | man |
| 02:16.15 | Nyle | I love Frozen Plasma |
| 02:16.20 | Nyle | headbangs |
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| 02:16.59 | lostson | is there a big pack of clearlooks themes for debian ? |
| 02:17.17 | Nyle | lostson, the only one I know of is in gnome-themes |
| 02:17.29 | Nyle | and i dunno what is inside gnome-themes-extras |
| 02:17.41 | lostson | ok thanks |
| 02:17.42 | Nyle | lostson, then there is apt-cache search gtk2-engines |
| 02:17.51 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.53 | Nyle | w/e |
| 02:18.05 | Nyle | i think thats what the packages are called anyway |
| 02:18.48 | benjamindees | watches the Dennett TED speech |
| 02:18.54 | Wyzard | Clearlooks themes, plural? |
| 02:18.58 | Wyzard | There's only really one of them |
| 02:19.11 | Nyle | Wyzard, hmm you maybe right |
| 02:19.11 | mike23 | plb, ok. if i tell apt to get gnome-core it would also see that i need xorg and build it, right? |
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| 02:19.26 | Nyle | lostson, check gnome-art, gnome-look |
| 02:19.31 | Nyle | .org i think search google |
| 02:19.32 | Wyzard | Well, two: clearlooks and clearlooks-classic |
| 02:19.40 | Wyzard | there's a GTK engine and a Metacity theme for each |
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| 02:20.48 | fserve | hey |
| 02:20.55 | fserve | the human-murrine first theme |
| 02:21.07 | fserve | that i saw on 8.04 alpha 4 |
| 02:21.13 | fserve | had a orange line |
| 02:21.29 | fserve | wrong channel, omg |
| 02:21.38 | Nyle | XP Media Center Theme |
| 02:21.43 | Nyle | bright breen, bright blue |
| 02:21.51 | Nyle | nice and juicy colors |
| 02:21.52 | dazoe | i have a debian server running with the domain example.com i have a mail server (exim4) running for out going mail only but exim is stil tring to handle mail for example.com how do i make exim send thoes out? |
| 02:21.54 | fserve | ahhaha |
| 02:21.57 | Nyle | it makes me feel good when I use the computer |
| 02:21.58 | fserve | sorry |
| 02:21.58 | Nyle | :D |
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| 02:22.04 | Wyzard | yuck... I don't use those colors even Windows |
| 02:22.17 | Nyle | Wyzard, not the xp luna theme |
| 02:22.31 | Nyle | Wyzard, I tink its called Media center theme Xp Royale |
| 02:22.39 | Nyle | or something, much much better |
| 02:22.46 | Wyzard | Nyle: yeah, I've seen screenshots of it |
| 02:22.55 | Nyle | I love the colors :) |
| 02:23.40 | Wyzard | Nyle: Watercolor is the only XP theme I like |
| 02:23.50 | Nyle | thas the one |
| 02:24.06 | Nyle | lighter than blackcomb I think or was it XP Ergonomic |
| 02:24.15 | Nyle | I know watercolor I think, nice |
| 02:24.52 | benjamindees | hmm, my youtube player doesn't seem to be caching; this is just the type of thing an unscrupulous ISP would degrade... |
| 02:24.53 | Nyle | wants to toke up soooooo bad |
| 02:25.27 | Nyle | benjamindees, and then there is Internet2 |
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| 02:25.36 | Nyle | that might kill freedom I think. |
| 02:25.49 | Nyle | amphi, and then freedom will no longer evolve, as it won't exist. |
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| 02:25.57 | Nyle | heh anyway |
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| 02:27.33 | Nyle | dazoe, yen I don't do exim im clueless |
| 02:27.54 | dazoe | Nyle right. |
| 02:28.38 | Nyle | any exim4 gurus? |
| 02:28.57 | plb | I use postfix, sorry |
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| 02:30.06 | Nyle | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/FAQ.html#TOC |
| 02:30.09 | Nyle | FAQ |
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| 02:32.02 | Nyle | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/FAQ_3.html#TOC120 |
| 02:32.08 | Nyle | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/FAQ_3.html#TOC121 |
| 02:32.16 | Nyle | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/FAQ_3.html#TOC123 <-- maybe this |
| 02:32.56 | Nyle | wherever your server is that handles the rest of the stuff |
| 02:33.22 | Nyle | sicne you only wanted exim to do outgoing or something |
| 02:33.23 | Nyle | no idea |
| 02:33.30 | Nyle | i'm just guessin |
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| 02:36.04 | Nyle | -qf option starts a queue runner that forces a delivery attempt for all messages |
| 02:36.30 | Nyle | (if you havent been able to tell by now, I'm bored shitless) |
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| 02:37.35 | Nyle | you know |
| 02:38.06 | Nyle | after reading all that, exim may not be as looney as it seems, you just gotta use it guess and get to know it |
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| 02:39.43 | Nyle | damn its thursday already tomorrow |
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| 02:40.15 | mike23 | so, freshh install and rdy to go - wget beer |
| 02:40.18 | benjamindees | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:40.57 | Nyle | mike23, congrats |
| 02:41.00 | Nyle | !beer mike23 |
| 02:41.00 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Gulden Drak for mike23 |
| 02:41.08 | Nyle | amm |
| 02:41.12 | Nyle | the golden dragon |
| 02:41.15 | Nyle | nice |
| 02:41.20 | ddalton | Can someone who can help me with - some installation questions - getting all apps I have one one debian machine on to another debian machine and configuration files (perhaps called clowning?) join ##ddalton ? I'm blind and this channel is very hard for me to follow. thanks. |
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| 02:41.56 | Nyle | ddalton, sure |
| 02:42.01 | mike23 | if everything works out, i'll donate some of the money i'm making with this box... |
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| 02:43.29 | ddalton | ##ddalton |
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| 02:50.04 | dserban | Hello. I have a difficult situation to explain. I'm running debian with a schwack of iptables rules on a gateway running squid. There are two sites that I cannot access (both with the same primary domain) and I'm wondering how I can use some tools to find what's happening to my packets I'm sending or not receiving. Even traceroute doesn't work to the destination. Is there a tool that I can use to trace? |
| 02:50.43 | netdaemon | wireshark perhaps? |
| 02:50.50 | dserban | It could be ECN, it could be gzip in iceweasel it could be a bunch of things. But my first clue is that traceroute doesn't make it to the destination server. |
| 02:50.53 | Nyle | !clone |
| 02:50.53 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 02:51.00 | Nyle | !debian clone |
| 02:51.00 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 02:51.11 | Nyle | !tell ddalton -about debian clone |
| 02:51.35 | Nyle | !aptitude clone |
| 02:51.35 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 02:51.57 | Nyle | !tell ddalton -about aptitude clone |
| 02:52.41 | PhrkOnLsh | why is gallery2 in etch and sid, but not lenny? |
| 02:52.46 | dserban | hmm wireshark you say. I'll take a look at it. |
| 02:53.22 | ArtVandalae | PhrkOnLsh, the maintainer may have pulled it from lenny because of issues. It happens. |
| 02:53.44 | PhrkOnLsh | hmmm |
| 02:53.46 | ArtVandalae | PhrkOnLsh, I'm pretty sure there's a set of conditions that a package has to meet to make it to testing. |
| 02:53.56 | PhrkOnLsh | but not to stable or sid? |
| 02:54.06 | Nyle | ArtVandalae, you saw the finale of Sienfeld? |
| 02:54.14 | Nyle | Judge Art Vandalae |
| 02:54.39 | Nyle | to be stable or not to be stable, that is the question |
| 02:54.50 | Nyle | question the is that, stable be to not or stable be to |
| 02:55.00 | mike23 | lol |
| 02:55.05 | PhrkOnLsh | meh, my apt will be stable a bit |
| 02:55.05 | mike23 | testing? |
| 02:55.08 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:55.10 | Nyle | im bored man |
| 02:55.13 | ArtVandalae | Nyle, yep :) |
| 02:55.46 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 02:55.46 | dpkg | [debstats] managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 02:57.21 | PhrkOnLsh | !tell PhrkOnLsh about life the universe and everything |
| 02:57.32 | Nyle | Nyle talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 29 times! |
| 02:57.35 | Nyle | Another lonely one was w3rd_, who managed to hit 7 times. |
| 02:58.06 | iateadonut | if someone is setting up a lamp server in a country far far away that i will have to connect to another one in another country, and they want to use ubuntu... should i really push them to use debian, or will everything be ok? |
| 02:58.16 | Nyle | enouf brings happiness to the world. 12.8% lines contained smiling faces. :) |
| 02:58.56 | Nyle | iateadonut, stable + a competent and knowledgable admin == win win |
| 02:59.30 | Nyle | given that management don't fuck you over... because usually what management wants done, and what the admin thinks is good is umm.. |
| 02:59.34 | Nyle | well you see where I'm going with that |
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| 02:59.40 | iateadonut | it's very simple. it just has to run AMP... no gui's or sound or anything. |
| 02:59.52 | Nyle | iateadonut, I'd go with stable |
| 02:59.54 | iateadonut | so, he should be able to install debian with little difficulty i think. |
| 03:00.09 | Nyle | iateadonut, you can install it for him |
| 03:00.12 | iateadonut | ubuntu is more of a desktop, right? i should definitely go with debian lenny. |
| 03:00.16 | iateadonut | i could... |
| 03:00.25 | iateadonut | all i would have to do is install it on a disk drive and then mail it to him! |
| 03:00.35 | Nyle | make sure he has a partition space big enough thats free |
| 03:00.40 | Nyle | ssh into his box |
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| 03:00.44 | Nyle | don't matter what he has |
| 03:00.49 | Nyle | tell him to run a live cd and enable ssh |
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| 03:00.59 | Nyle | get him debootstrap |
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| 03:01.04 | Nyle | !debootstrap |
| 03:01.04 | dpkg | debootstrap is probably <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 03:01.22 | Nyle | ssh into him, install debootstrap, bootstrap a debian install |
| 03:01.28 | iateadonut | i had to replace my motherboard (with a pIII - i don't use gui at all anymore) - it was very easy. linux just detected everything. |
| 03:01.33 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 03:01.36 | Nyle | follow bootstrap howto and install guide from here |
| 03:01.36 | iateadonut | i see. |
| 03:01.39 | Nyle | or... |
| 03:01.44 | iateadonut | thank you so much nyle. |
| 03:01.47 | Nyle | you can just have him install ubuntu, or attempt to install debian |
| 03:01.54 | iateadonut | no... that will work fine. |
| 03:01.55 | Nyle | iateadonut, sure |
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| 03:02.09 | iateadonut | did you get that job, by the way? |
| 03:02.15 | Nyle | which? |
| 03:02.20 | Nyle | I go through jobs like a mofo |
| 03:02.23 | Nyle | I can't work for people |
| 03:02.24 | iateadonut | like 2 months ago, you went for an interview. |
| 03:02.25 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 03:02.28 | Nyle | I fucking HATE being told whath to do |
| 03:02.33 | Nyle | iateadonut, yeh I got it |
| 03:02.40 | iateadonut | are you still working there? |
| 03:02.40 | Nyle | the nerve of that asshole |
| 03:02.44 | Nyle | offered me 60k/yr |
| 03:02.45 | iateadonut | me? |
| 03:02.52 | Nyle | I said ok |
| 03:02.57 | Nyle | I'll see whats this is about |
| 03:03.04 | Nyle | I worked there for like a month |
| 03:03.07 | Nyle | and I was like fuck this man |
| 03:03.28 | Nyle | now I have my own company and I fix computer, make house calls, networking, business stuff, w/e |
| 03:03.37 | iateadonut | cool. |
| 03:03.48 | Nyle | trying to get remote support contracts, tech support contracts with companies tht can't hrie IT people |
| 03:03.49 | iateadonut | and still offering free consultation in #debian. |
| 03:03.51 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 03:04.00 | Nyle | iateadonut, anything for debian (within reason) |
| 03:04.01 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:04.10 | netdaemon | meh |
| 03:04.25 | netdaemon | anyone familiar with policykit? |
| 03:04.27 | iateadonut | thanks, though. the ssh from a live disc will work great. i was going to have him install himself. |
| 03:04.43 | Nyle | sure |
| 03:04.53 | Nyle | make sure you know what to do before you do it |
| 03:04.55 | mike23 | how much would you take to conf a proxy/firewall + printserver? |
| 03:05.04 | iateadonut | i am going to be doing a lot of reading. |
| 03:05.12 | Nyle | iateadonut, I would advise doing a virtual box install using this |
| 03:05.25 | Nyle | iateadonut, download dsl or ubuntu and boot under virtualbox |
| 03:05.33 | Nyle | ssh into it, and try to debootstrap, and isntall bootloader etc. |
| 03:05.51 | Nyle | practice a bit and stuff before you try it out, become familiar with the program |
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| 03:06.30 | Nyle | iateadonut, my manners are horrible. btw, thanks. How are you doing? |
| 03:06.40 | Nyle | besides ssh installs? |
| 03:06.43 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:07.26 | iateadonut | i'm ok. a little bit stressed. |
| 03:07.35 | Nyle | thats part of life |
| 03:07.42 | netdaemon | stress is often cured with a few beers |
| 03:07.46 | iateadonut | i do marketing, which involves a lot of fighting and yelling... |
| 03:07.53 | iateadonut | i like high-pressure. |
| 03:07.55 | iateadonut | actually. |
| 03:07.58 | Nyle | iateadonut, I fight with irate customers sometimes |
| 03:08.01 | iateadonut | i was thinking i should be a stock broker. |
| 03:08.07 | Nyle | but usually im very diplomatic |
| 03:08.17 | iateadonut | with customers, i'm very nice. i fight a lot internally. |
| 03:08.32 | Nyle | iateadonut, that could be unhealthy |
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| 03:09.28 | iateadonut | ha ha... i meant within my company. |
| 03:09.39 | netdaemon | still unhealthy :P |
| 03:09.40 | Nyle | jeje |
| 03:09.45 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:10.07 | netdaemon | setting up policykit docs suck =( |
| 03:10.16 | Nyle | I don't even know what that is |
| 03:10.29 | Nyle | sounds like a ready made kit for applying a set of system wide policies? |
| 03:10.44 | netdaemon | well it in essence replaces gksu....and its supperior due to the fact that it gives you only the privleges you need, not full root |
| 03:10.54 | netdaemon | so yes you are on the right track |
| 03:11.00 | netdaemon | and it interfaces with dbus |
| 03:11.06 | Nyle | I See |
| 03:11.11 | Nyle | what are its benefits? |
| 03:11.18 | Nyle | and what makes it superior? |
| 03:11.41 | netdaemon | well from what i'm reading on the ubuntu release, you click file X as unprivleged user X and edit it, when you save, it prompts for password |
| 03:12.11 | netdaemon | don't know full benifits...but one of the others i mentioned, limited rights, not full |
| 03:12.28 | netdaemon | say you sniff on wireshark...doesn't run as full root, only gives you temporary rights to eth* |
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| 03:13.01 | Nyle | I see |
| 03:13.55 | solace | Ello. |
| 03:14.18 | netdaemon | i noticed that fedora was using it when i test drove 9 and that other distro i shant name here implemented it in upcomming release |
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| 03:14.35 | netdaemon | its also running in fedora 8...would like to get it working in debian if i can =) |
| 03:14.53 | netdaemon | the package is there, just have no clue how to get policies enforced |
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| 03:17.43 | mike23 | I need some help with the sudoersw file, i want one admin and one user who can only use iceweasel/firefox |
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| 03:18.30 | jlilly | If I have 2 servers.. what would be the best method for ensuring they have the same(or similar) software and settings? |
| 03:18.52 | unlink | keeping them synchronized you mean? |
| 03:18.56 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:18.58 | Nyle | sync'd |
| 03:18.59 | jlilly | well. sortof |
| 03:19.12 | jlilly | rsync will do confs and such ( I think)... but programs themselves. |
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| 03:19.23 | jzu_ | anyone got broken VT510? I need swivel base from it :D |
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| 03:19.37 | jetole | hey guys |
| 03:19.45 | mike23 | hey |
| 03:19.54 | jetole | does debian have a package info web page like ubuntu has at packages.ubuntu.com? |
| 03:20.02 | jzu_ | yes |
| 03:20.06 | Nyle | !pdo |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 03:20.14 | jetole | wow |
| 03:20.25 | jetole | why did they make that name so hard to figure out |
| 03:20.30 | jetole | <= stupid |
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| 03:22.44 | Nyle | .com commercial |
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| 03:22.57 | Nyle | .org non-profit organization |
| 03:23.11 | Nyle | falk ubuntu! |
| 03:23.46 | Nyle | debian kicks ass like I've never seen anyone kick ass that hard before |
| 03:23.48 | Nyle | you know |
| 03:24.01 | linux_jones | has anyone ever messed with lirc? |
| 03:24.06 | Nyle | !lirc |
| 03:24.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, lirc is Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://www.lirc.org |
| 03:24.10 | Nyle | nope |
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| 03:24.45 | Nyle | but I am preparing to get ready to plan a my next project, HTPC |
| 03:24.51 | linux_jones | i know what it is, its just giving me sass |
| 03:24.52 | verix | Nyle: re: Ubuntu, I'm a recent convert from Ubuntu, a friend helped me see the light |
| 03:25.02 | Nyle | I'm still preparing |
| 03:25.07 | Nyle | to get ready |
| 03:25.15 | Nyle | to plan... the project |
| 03:25.21 | Nyle | so its pretty far away |
| 03:25.37 | jetole | nyle debian and ubuntu each have their place |
| 03:25.49 | Nyle | everyone has thier place. Mine is with debian |
| 03:25.56 | jetole | fine |
| 03:26.04 | linux_jones | amen |
| 03:26.19 | jetole | mine is feature rish software on the desktop with apt packages and stable and secure systems on the server |
| 03:26.22 | jetole | I like my place |
| 03:26.33 | Nyle | we're very happy for you |
| 03:26.35 | jetole | s/rish/rich/gi |
| 03:26.40 | jetole | thanks |
| 03:26.46 | jetole | it's good to know people care |
| 03:26.50 | Nyle | I don't care. |
| 03:26.51 | verix | I don't think you needed the gi there |
| 03:26.59 | jetole | but you are happy for me |
| 03:27.00 | Nyle | I'm sorry I ever gave the indication that I cared. |
| 03:27.05 | Nyle | jetole, I was being polite. |
| 03:27.07 | jetole | verix, habbit |
| 03:27.09 | verix | hehe |
| 03:27.11 | Nyle | jetole, dont' ask too many questions. |
| 03:27.23 | jetole | Nyle: me too, I could care less what you care about |
| 03:27.24 | Nyle | you suck the politeness out. |
| 03:27.32 | Nyle | shakes his head |
| 03:27.36 | jetole | hehe |
| 03:28.24 | jetole | somehow that adds to my ego |
| 03:28.35 | jetole | I have funny shaped ego though |
| 03:28.40 | Nyle | thats fantastic, have at it. |
| 03:28.53 | Nyle | evern seen a blow up sheep |
| 03:28.56 | Nyle | sexy toy |
| 03:29.01 | Nyle | thats like, my ego is like that |
| 03:29.03 | jetole | yes |
| 03:29.03 | Nyle | blow up |
| 03:29.11 | jetole | bar staff party I was invited to |
| 03:29.16 | jetole | therre was like 5 of them |
| 03:29.20 | jetole | pretty funny |
| 03:29.24 | Nyle | there were |
| 03:29.26 | Nyle | its plural |
| 03:29.26 | doki_pen | does non-us still exist? |
| 03:29.29 | Nyle | :/ |
| 03:29.42 | doki_pen | I remeber setting it up last time I did a debian install, but now it's seems to not work. |
| 03:29.42 | jetole | shrugs |
| 03:29.44 | jetole | was still funny |
| 03:29.49 | Nyle | that it was |
| 03:30.00 | Nyle | doki_pen, no it does not |
| 03:30.01 | Nyle | !non-us |
| 03:30.01 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
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| 03:30.28 | doki_pen | !crypto |
| 03:30.28 | dpkg | Cryptographic software is classified as munitions (military weapons) under US export laws. This has changed a bit recently, but it's still legally problematic to export cryptographic software from inside the US. That's why the non-US (cryptographic) section of Debian is hosted on machines that are NOT physically or politically inside the US. Ask me about "non-US" or "non-US mirrors". |
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| 03:31.42 | verix | haha wow |
| 03:32.16 | jlilly | so anyone have ideas on how to replicate applications between two servers? I want to use one for dev and one for test without having any differences that can cause unexpected snafus |
| 03:32.28 | Nyle | !aptitude clone |
| 03:32.28 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favorite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. See also <reinstall>. |
| 03:32.34 | Nyle | jlilly, ^^ perhaps... |
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| 03:32.43 | Nyle | jlilly, rsync the conf. files? |
| 03:32.59 | Nyle | there are a few ways actually |
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| 03:33.19 | Nyle | nothing as automated as I think you'd like |
| 03:33.28 | jlilly | I don't need it super automated. |
| 03:33.30 | Nyle | but automation in *nix isn't as difficult |
| 03:33.30 | User296 | hey |
| 03:33.38 | User296 | so linux |
| 03:33.42 | User296 | i use dsl linux |
| 03:33.42 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:33.49 | jlilly | Once I get it setup.. I won't need to change much. |
| 03:33.56 | Nyle | User296, are you wanting to install debian? |
| 03:33.59 | jlilly | Its just that I don't want to miss a package during the install process. |
| 03:34.11 | User296 | no |
| 03:34.17 | User296 | fuck debby i ant |
| 03:34.17 | Nyle | jlilly, in that case /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 03:34.22 | User296 | im going with XP |
| 03:34.24 | User296 | suckers |
| 03:34.24 | jlilly | danke |
| 03:34.34 | User296 | linux fucked up my laptop beyond repair |
| 03:34.35 | Nyle | User296, you need to go to #dsl or ##windows |
| 03:34.44 | User296 | u need to shit |
| 03:34.49 | Nyle | User296, do you have a debian support related question ? |
| 03:34.53 | User296 | yeah |
| 03:34.57 | User296 | how big is my ass? |
| 03:35.07 | Nyle | please be civil. |
| 03:35.12 | User296 | munch man |
| 03:35.23 | User296 | munchies |
| 03:35.26 | User296 | duttlers |
| 03:35.32 | User296 | fuck tunnel |
| 03:35.36 | User296 | much suckler |
| 03:35.37 | doki_pen | please use windows and stop asking us for help |
| 03:35.40 | User296 | fuck you |
| 03:35.42 | User296 | fuck off |
| 03:35.43 | User296 | nerd |
| 03:35.46 | Nyle | doki_pen, don't feed the troll |
| 03:35.49 | doki_pen | :) |
| 03:35.50 | Nyle | doki_pen, ignore |
| 03:35.51 | doki_pen | he left |
| 03:36.08 | Nyle | has joins/parts/quits/ on ignore |
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| 03:37.04 | doki_pen | nvidia doesn't like me |
| 03:37.11 | cheesypenguin | will using JFS boost performance? |
| 03:37.16 | doki_pen | do I have to compile my own kernel to get NVIDIA working on testing? |
| 03:37.17 | Nyle | cheesypenguin, no |
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| 03:37.20 | Nyle | !fs comparison |
| 03:37.21 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 03:37.25 | Nyle | cheesypenguin, ^^ |
| 03:37.45 | Nyle | wikipedia has it in a table/chart format |
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| 03:37.53 | linux_jones | he says nerd like its an insult here |
| 03:37.54 | Nyle | I should probably append that link |
| 03:38.09 | doki_pen | :( |
| 03:38.13 | Nyle | nerd == socially unacceptable and somewhat antisocial |
| 03:38.17 | doki_pen | or just install an older version of gcc? |
| 03:38.19 | Nyle | nerd != good with computers |
| 03:38.26 | Nyle | look it up. |
| 03:38.32 | linux_jones | cant it be both |
| 03:38.35 | Nyle | geek == passionate about his thing |
| 03:38.45 | Nyle | guitar geeks, computer geeks, video game geeks etc. |
| 03:38.52 | Nyle | linux_jones, it can't. |
| 03:39.02 | doki_pen | I always thought a geek is someone who is exceptionally different in a freekish way |
| 03:39.08 | doki_pen | like a circus geek |
| 03:39.20 | Nyle | dictionary.com |
| 03:39.27 | Nyle | urban dictionaries too |
| 03:39.37 | noosphere | hi all - If I wanted to choose a syslog facility (eg local1) for an app I am developing, and wanted to make sure no existing programs logged to it, how would I choose one? How would one tell if any app is set to log to a given facility? can arbitrary facilities be created? |
| 03:39.40 | doki_pen | you are such a nerd-geek |
| 03:39.50 | Nyle | get yourself a word a day calender, a different one, keep one in your house, one in your office |
| 03:39.54 | Nyle | learn two words a day |
| 03:39.56 | cheesypenguin | umm jfs finshed 1st in total testing time. |
| 03:39.58 | Nyle | give it 10 years |
| 03:40.09 | Nyle | your vocabulary would be up the flagpole |
| 03:40.10 | doki_pen | your a gerd |
| 03:40.14 | doki_pen | lol |
| 03:40.48 | linux_jones | no hes a neek |
| 03:41.08 | linux_jones | i like gerd better |
| 03:41.31 | Nyle | Danica Talos |
| 03:41.40 | Nyle | HOT! |
| 03:41.57 | Nyle | mmm mmm mmmmm |
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| 03:42.03 | doki_pen | :( |
| 03:42.10 | Nyle | goddamn she's a fine motha fucka |
| 03:42.38 | doki_pen | why is my kernel compiled with gcc-4.1 but my system has gcc-4.2 installed? am I a gerd? |
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| 03:43.02 | linux_jones | you might be a gerd if..... |
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| 03:43.30 | doki_pen | .. you compile a kernel at least once a month |
| 03:44.15 | doki_pen | :( |
| 03:44.18 | linux_jones | ...an empty pringals can is your wireless antenna |
| 03:44.22 | doki_pen | how do I make gcc-4.1 my kernel? |
| 03:44.25 | doki_pen | damnit |
| 03:44.29 | doki_pen | that made no sense |
| 03:44.38 | doki_pen | how do I make gcc-4.1 my default gcc? |
| 03:44.47 | Nyle | set compiler with CC env variable |
| 03:45.01 | Nyle | I assume you know to set environment variables? |
| 03:45.18 | Nyle | export CC=/path/to/gcc/version/you/want/binary/file/here/and/stuff |
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| 03:45.24 | doki_pen | lol |
| 03:45.24 | doki_pen | yes |
| 03:46.18 | doki_pen | I have nvidia, nvidia hates me |
| 03:47.00 | lastnode | anyone here ever used ratpoison? |
| 03:47.12 | Nyle | a while ago |
| 03:47.19 | doki_pen | lastnode: I use wmii and love it |
| 03:47.32 | Nyle | doki_pen, aint got SHIT on ratpoison |
| 03:47.43 | lastnode | doki_pen: i installed ratpoison, but it wont show up on gdm |
| 03:47.52 | lastnode | has googled for howtos and found none :/ |
| 03:48.07 | doki_pen | lastnode: put it in your .xinitrc and choose custom |
| 03:48.26 | doki_pen | you should find something if you google .xinitrc and ratpoison |
| 03:48.40 | cizzi | memory blank here.. whats the command in linux that can be used to copy a file from one server to another from a script |
| 03:48.55 | doki_pen | unless you are on a multi-user sight and want to make it easy for everyone to use ratpoison, but that seems unlikely |
| 03:48.57 | lastnode | doki_pen: and choose custom from gdm? |
| 03:49.05 | doki_pen | yes |
| 03:49.07 | cizzi | scp |
| 03:49.09 | cizzi | thats it |
| 03:49.14 | mike23 | nn |
| 03:49.30 | linux_jones | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/hans-reiser-jur.html linux leads to murder! |
| 03:49.38 | lastnode | doki_pen: im googling, but could yu pls cat your .xinitrc for me? |
| 03:49.44 | doki_pen | lastnode: some systems use .xsession, so I always symlink them |
| 03:49.54 | doki_pen | lastnode: I don't use ratpoison |
| 03:50.03 | doki_pen | exec /usr/local/bin/wmii |
| 03:50.07 | doki_pen | that is the end of mine |
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| 03:50.40 | doki_pen | and do: $ ln -s ~/.xinitrc ~/.xsession |
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| 03:51.20 | lastnode | doki_pen: i found a gentoo howto that edits /usr/share/xsessions, gonnatry that and brb |
| 03:51.21 | Nyle | linux_jones, that is entirely offtopic here. |
| 03:51.23 | lastnode | deatches screen |
| 03:51.38 | Nyle | linux_jones, please refrain from discussing that in #debian. |
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| 03:52.49 | linux_jones | wow, were all business tonight |
| 03:53.48 | doki_pen | linux_jones: stop saying things that aren't related to debian support. please use #debian-buttface for that |
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| 03:54.42 | lastnode | doki_pen: haha, im stuck in th ttl now. |
| 03:54.59 | lastnode | doki_pen: i tells me to hit C+t ? for help |
| 03:55.05 | lastnode | is that CTRL+t+? |
| 03:55.13 | lastnode | shows his noobness |
| 03:55.21 | Nyle | ^T |
| 03:55.34 | lastnode | ok, and then ? |
| 03:55.36 | Nyle | ^ symbolizes the Ctrl key |
| 03:55.50 | lastnode | yeah |
| 03:55.51 | doki_pen | what do I do if /usr/src/linux/inlcude/linux/version.h is missing? |
| 03:55.52 | Nyle | shorthand if you will |
| 03:55.57 | doki_pen | I feel like such a n00b |
| 03:56.14 | doki_pen | lastnode: I told you, I don't use ratpoison |
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| 03:56.17 | Nyle | doki_pen, you've installed the linux source and headers? |
| 03:56.18 | lastnode | doki_pen: is that a vanilla source? |
| 03:56.28 | doki_pen | shrugs |
| 03:56.41 | doki_pen | I installed linux-headers, linux-source |
| 03:56.53 | doki_pen | that match my linux-image |
| 03:56.55 | lastnode | doki_pen: what are you trying to do? |
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| 03:57.04 | doki_pen | install NVIDIA bullshit |
| 03:57.18 | lastnode | doki_pen: then that's not vanilla, it's the deb patched kernel. |
| 03:57.24 | lastnode | has problems with vanilla kernels, they dislike him |
| 03:57.43 | doki_pen | do you mean I need the patched kernel, or the vanilla kernel? |
| 03:57.53 | Nyle | /usr/src/linux/inlcude/linux/version.h |
| 03:57.58 | doki_pen | I just want to use NVIDIA drivers :( |
| 03:58.01 | lastnode | the patched, probably. always good to get the source fron apt, unless it's a new one |
| 03:58.05 | lastnode | (which isnt in the repos yet) |
| 03:58.12 | Nyle | doki_pen, /usr/src/linux/inlcude/linux/version.h |
| 03:58.20 | lastnode | doki_pen: im sure somone has already made a .deb of the modules you need. |
| 03:58.37 | Nyle | doki_pen, you might want to spell it like " include " |
| 03:58.39 | doki_pen | lastnode: I got it from apt-get |
| 03:58.49 | doki_pen | that's just me typing like a moron |
| 03:59.02 | doki_pen | the nvidia installer can't find the version.h file |
| 03:59.08 | doki_pen | there is a vermagic.h .. ? |
| 03:59.42 | Nyle | nvidia? |
| 03:59.46 | Nyle | no |
| 03:59.50 | Nyle | stop right here. |
| 04:00.07 | Nyle | do not use the nvidia installer |
| 04:00.13 | doki_pen | ok.. how? |
| 04:00.30 | kryptoz | hi..what all can be a bottle neck in a machine (quad processor -2.6Ghz,2GB ram) when I use it for scp + tar + gzip 400GB of backup data daily ? |
| 04:00.30 | Nyle | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:00.30 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 04:00.39 | Nyle | !nvidia |
| 04:00.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 04:00.47 | Nyle | consult the wiki first |
| 04:00.51 | lastnode | woot, in ratpoison |
| 04:00.53 | kryptoz | the sco takes 6 hours, but the tar an gzip takes 20 hours+ |
| 04:00.56 | lastnode | gives Nyle a cookie |
| 04:00.57 | nevyn | add module-assistant to that list |
| 04:01.14 | kryptoz | if I increase the memory will it work better ? is it the disk IO being the bottle neck ? |
| 04:01.27 | doki_pen | is my source.list wrong? I don't see that package |
| 04:01.41 | Nyle | kryptoz, i/o bottlenecking |
| 04:01.55 | CompWizrd | kryptoz, i do something similar with about 300gb, on a dual opteron 265, though we're gpg'ing it instead of tar+gzip |
| 04:02.02 | CompWizrd | and it takes about 7 hours to generate what we're doing with it |
| 04:02.07 | doki_pen | I can't install nvidia-kernel |
| 04:02.10 | CompWizrd | are you running 4 gzip's at a time to use all 4 cores? |
| 04:02.12 | kryptoz | but when i write I get 70MB/s and read is 158MB/s |
| 04:02.25 | kryptoz | when I gzip and write its 12MB/s |
| 04:02.30 | Nyle | invest in 15k rpm scsi drives in a raid 10 |
| 04:02.42 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, no, its a single gzip running |
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| 04:02.44 | CompWizrd | what flags are you using with gzip? |
| 04:02.50 | CompWizrd | yeah, gzip isn't multithreaded |
| 04:03.00 | CompWizrd | so if you can run 4 at a time or more, that'd help |
| 04:03.00 | kryptoz | and the CPU is 100%, how do I make one gzip use all cpu ? |
| 04:03.04 | doki_pen | I have non-free and contrib, but still don't see it |
| 04:03.10 | doki_pen | are some mirrors incomplete? |
| 04:03.19 | Nyle | oh that is what he is talking about |
| 04:03.39 | Nyle | you want to set process level affinity |
| 04:03.49 | CompWizrd | scp isn't multithreaded either, so you'll only max out one cpu at a time on it |
| 04:03.50 | Nyle | thats not very easy to do in linux |
| 04:03.52 | Nyle | at this time |
| 04:04.00 | Nyle | afaik anyway |
| 04:04.15 | CompWizrd | but if you can pull down 4 files at a time and process them that might work better |
| 04:04.22 | CompWizrd | you might want to watch top (or htop) while it's running |
| 04:04.25 | kryptoz | so my only chance is to make the process somehow share all cpu ? |
| 04:04.26 | CompWizrd | see what the %wa is sitting at |
| 04:04.32 | CompWizrd | which is disk i/o wait time |
| 04:04.36 | Nyle | kryptoz, you can't |
| 04:04.38 | CompWizrd | and how much the cpu's are idle, etc |
| 04:04.44 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, vmstat will find me ? |
| 04:04.47 | Nyle | not unless you were to recode the app to specifically use multicore |
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| 04:04.54 | CompWizrd | yeah, vmstat will do the same thing |
| 04:05.35 | doki_pen | bah, I think my mirror sucked |
| 04:05.41 | kryptoz | output of VMSTAT -> 1 0 228 17200 6856 1709472 0 0 336 543 0 39 6 1 88 5 0 |
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| 04:06.00 | doki_pen | bangs head against wall |
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| 04:06.20 | doki_pen | I'm using lenny, I still can't install the nvidia kernel. It doesn't exist for me |
| 04:06.32 | mmInd_ | I can't figure out how to install mencoder (with debian 3.1/oldstable) |
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| 04:06.56 | kryptoz | so best I can do is, split the data into 4 and start gzip it all at once... ? |
| 04:06.57 | doki_pen | :( not in testing |
| 04:07.10 | CompWizrd | kryptoz, do all 4 cores show up in top? |
| 04:07.16 | kryptoz | no .. |
| 04:07.22 | CompWizrd | might have to hit 1 ,to make them show up |
| 04:07.25 | doki_pen | how can I add unstable to my sources.list safely? |
| 04:07.27 | kryptoz | how do I do that ? I checked with /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:07.32 | kryptoz | hold on |
| 04:07.33 | CompWizrd | ah, only one in cpuinfo? |
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| 04:07.40 | mmInd_ | I see oldstable on debian-multimedia.org, but searches don't show mencoder. |
| 04:07.55 | kryptoz | all 8 shows, 4 real and 8 since dual core'd |
| 04:08.06 | CompWizrd | ah, xeon, nice |
| 04:08.09 | mmInd_ | Does this mean I have to download/make? Or is there a aptitude way of doing it? |
| 04:08.16 | yitz_ | How can I check what package (if any) an executable is part of? |
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| 04:08.27 | Nyle | !tell yitz_ -about search |
| 04:08.43 | epsilon | mmInd_: if there is no package in archive, you have to build one or compile |
| 04:08.48 | CompWizrd | well, you can watch what you're doing in top with all the cores showing like that, and you'll probably find one sitting at 100%, with the rest idle most of the time |
| 04:09.07 | CompWizrd | if it's a dual cpu machine, with 4 cores each cpu, then you might even be able to run more than 4 jobs at a time, depending on your disk i/o |
| 04:09.13 | yitz_ | Thanks, Nyle |
| 04:09.17 | doki_pen | now I remember why I switched to Gentoo |
| 04:09.18 | mmInd_ | what package is mencoder usually a part of? |
| 04:09.19 | doki_pen | ducks |
| 04:09.25 | CompWizrd | 150m/s reads isn't all that fast, so i don't know what you'll be able to get away with |
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| 04:09.36 | Nyle | CompWizrd, jessus fcukinga;s schrist |
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| 04:10.01 | Nyle | 4 cpu, each cpu is 4 cores? |
| 04:10.06 | epsilon | mmInd_: alternativly, you could setup in your Oldstable a debootstrap with etch or lenny in it. a handy way to get new packages with keeping the old host system |
| 04:10.08 | Nyle | thats like, 16 cpus |
| 04:10.09 | Nyle | man |
| 04:10.10 | Nyle | fuck |
| 04:10.11 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, thats speed when I use gzip with the default compression level (6).. |
| 04:10.13 | CompWizrd | Nyle: not my box, not his either! |
| 04:10.20 | Nyle | wait |
| 04:10.21 | CompWizrd | i think his is a dual cpu, 4 cores each |
| 04:10.25 | kryptoz | Nyle, 4 real |
| 04:10.26 | Nyle | didn't you just say |
| 04:10.26 | Nyle | oh |
| 04:10.33 | Nyle | yeh, 4 real cpus? |
| 04:10.34 | epsilon | mmInd_: apt-file search |
| 04:10.37 | Nyle | all quad core |
| 04:10.38 | Nyle | right? |
| 04:10.38 | CompWizrd | oh wait, quad processor. |
| 04:10.40 | CompWizrd | my mistake |
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| 04:10.46 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, its not a quad core, its 4 cpu |
| 04:10.46 | Nyle | thats 16 cpus basically |
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| 04:10.55 | mmInd_ | epsilon, that sounds good, I'll look into that...thanks. |
| 04:10.57 | Nyle | oh its just 4 individual cpus on a server mobo |
| 04:11.04 | Nyle | not even dual core? |
| 04:11.06 | CompWizrd | well, either way, same basic idea |
| 04:11.13 | Nyle | yeh i was just curious as to what he has |
| 04:11.18 | doki_pen | I find it somewhat retarded that I need to use kernel 2.6.18 to get nvidia |
| 04:11.19 | doki_pen | :P |
| 04:11.20 | Nyle | 16 cores is fucking awesome |
| 04:11.23 | CompWizrd | 7zip on windows can use more than one core at a time, don't know if the linux one does or not |
| 04:11.30 | nevyn | ? |
| 04:11.35 | Nyle | what you got megaflops or gigaflops goin there? |
| 04:11.39 | nevyn | doki_pen: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 04:11.39 | kryptoz | But I dont seem to use what I have ;) // |
| 04:11.50 | nevyn | then it builds for your kernel a deb automatically |
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| 04:12.03 | CompWizrd | but yeah, if you're running one gzip, you're only using one cpu.. it might bounce around from one cpu to another, but for the most part it'll sit at 100% on one cpu |
| 04:12.13 | doki_pen | nevyn: builds from what? |
| 04:12.18 | Nyle | CompWizrd, yp |
| 04:12.19 | Nyle | yup |
| 04:12.29 | kryptoz | One doubt, I have 4 disks connected with an array controller and each disk will give me a write speed of 80MB/s (without any compression) and 15-20 MB/s when using compression. |
| 04:12.32 | Nyle | like I said you can't do it without recoding the app |
| 04:12.45 | Nyle | though why not launch 4 processes |
| 04:12.52 | kryptoz | This means its not a Disk IO bottle neck right ? gzip is causing the slow down.. |
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| 04:12.58 | Nyle | schedular is bound to assign them each to a core/cpu |
| 04:13.00 | Nyle | whatever |
| 04:13.02 | CompWizrd | 12 m/s sounsd around right for gzip with an older cpu |
| 04:13.18 | CompWizrd | i'm looking for something i can gzip on the dual opteron 265 to see |
| 04:13.19 | lastnode | how do I check a package's binary path using apt? |
| 04:13.19 | doki_pen | fail |
| 04:13.38 | redwyrm | how can I see a list of installed packages sorted by installation date? |
| 04:13.43 | Nyle | kryptoz, thats what I said |
| 04:13.58 | Nyle | CompWizrd, simple |
| 04:14.11 | Nyle | cat a dev/random to a file |
| 04:14.12 | doki_pen | ah, I see |
| 04:14.15 | nevyn | doki_pen: the source.. |
| 04:14.19 | Nyle | make it 100gb |
| 04:14.20 | doki_pen | smacks himself |
| 04:14.23 | Nyle | then compress it |
| 04:14.24 | CompWizrd | yeah, but then i get to find 100gb of space on that box |
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| 04:14.26 | nevyn | doki_pen: well the source to the glue.. |
| 04:14.29 | kryptoz | Nyle, but when I see the top, some times the cpu1 is 100% and a second later its cpu3 and it changes |
| 04:14.31 | CompWizrd | and i don't think i have that much free right now :) |
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| 04:15.25 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, `time (dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=1024 | gzip -9 > 'path')` |
| 04:15.32 | Nyle | kryptoz, its goig to load spill |
| 04:15.38 | CompWizrd | eh, 1gig fits in ram! :) |
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| 04:15.57 | CompWizrd | but yeah, i know gzip -9 will take awhile |
| 04:16.00 | CompWizrd | at least you're not trying to bzip :) |
| 04:16.09 | CompWizrd | or god help us, rzip |
| 04:16.14 | Nyle | rzip? |
| 04:16.16 | Nyle | !rzip |
| 04:16.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, rzip is some kind of compression program |
| 04:16.21 | CompWizrd | higher compression than bzip |
| 04:16.22 | Nyle | duh |
| 04:16.29 | Nyle | how high |
| 04:16.31 | spanther | 7-zip :D |
| 04:16.34 | CompWizrd | uses up to 900 meg windows vs .. i think 900k from bzip? |
| 04:16.39 | CompWizrd | bzip2 rather |
| 04:16.41 | kryptoz | I tried which one was faster, gzip or bzip2 |
| 04:16.43 | Nyle | same basic algorithem |
| 04:16.44 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:16.48 | CompWizrd | yup |
| 04:16.51 | kryptoz | and looks like gzip is better while uncompressing |
| 04:16.56 | Nyle | ahh yeh |
| 04:16.59 | CompWizrd | yeah, gzip should be faster by far in everything |
| 04:17.02 | Nyle | I can see how they would improve on bzip |
| 04:17.09 | spanther | 7-zip = .7z |
| 04:17.17 | Nyle | these days disk space is so cheap |
| 04:17.25 | Nyle | why compress high at all |
| 04:17.33 | Nyle | especially with gb eth common in business env. now |
| 04:17.39 | CompWizrd | because he's got 400 gig of data to work with :) |
| 04:17.39 | Nyle | even fiber |
| 04:17.45 | CompWizrd | and tape drives aren't cheap, for example |
| 04:17.52 | Nyle | ahh yeh |
| 04:17.54 | Nyle | tape |
| 04:17.57 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 04:18.04 | spanther | ew tape xD |
| 04:18.05 | kryptoz | Nyle but already we are using up 2 disks (750GB) a month for archiving + equal space tape for offsite |
| 04:18.06 | CompWizrd | though DLT-S4 is nice, 800gb tape for $100 |
| 04:18.14 | kryptoz | cant increase the frequency |
| 04:18.20 | Nyle | I understand |
| 04:19.29 | kryptoz | this is why I use compression level 6 (default) not even 9. But I was wondering, I have one big data which I need to gzip as single file and then small data chunks which are fine.. |
| 04:19.44 | CompWizrd | you might want to try a lower compression ratio, or at least see how much difference it makes |
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| 04:19.49 | kryptoz | So if CPU was the bottle neck, I get to gzip this one big data in a separate machine dedicated.. |
| 04:20.34 | kryptoz | but if I can start using the cpu fully somehow, gzip can be done in the same machine, with other backups, and only bottle neck would be cache ? |
| 04:20.51 | doki_pen | kisses nevyn |
| 04:20.53 | Nyle | cpu is not the bottleneck, its the software, imo.(technically in the context of multicore computing) |
| 04:20.56 | CompWizrd | 34 seconds to gzip with default parameters a 450 meg file i tried on an opteron 265, which is 1.8ghz |
| 04:21.05 | Nyle | disk i/o is the bottleneck |
| 04:21.10 | Nyle | CompWizrd, ram != hd |
| 04:21.33 | Nyle | I know you know that, I'm just reminding you :) |
| 04:21.49 | CompWizrd | so in this case, 13 meg a second, and it fits mostly in cache, but the disk system on this machine can do 400m/s reads and writes |
| 04:21.52 | doki_pen | mm. make a ramfs and test on that |
| 04:22.12 | CompWizrd | so even with 5-6 gzip's at 12m/s , you won't max out your disk i/o |
| 04:22.16 | kryptoz | 536870912 bytes (537 MB) copied, 2.65409 seconds, 202 MB/s <--- this is what I get |
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| 04:23.14 | Nyle | CompWizrd, let me think about that because I am convinced otherwise |
| 04:23.37 | Nyle | CompWizrd, is your system the same as him? |
| 04:23.44 | Nyle | or very similar? |
| 04:23.46 | CompWizrd | nyle: nah, it's lower end on the cpu side, higher end on the disk side |
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| 04:24.41 | Nyle | revelater, only if you are a hot sexy chic |
| 04:24.45 | kryptoz | revelater, drunk ? lol |
| 04:24.49 | revelater | almost |
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| 04:24.58 | revelater | drunk, |
| 04:25.03 | CompWizrd | kryptoz: how is the data on the other side of the link organized/ |
| 04:25.04 | revelater | nowheres near hot or sexy |
| 04:25.16 | Nyle | revelater, then shut the FUCK up. |
| 04:25.24 | revelater | fuck you gay shit |
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| 04:25.31 | Nyle | man get the fuck off my screen will ya |
| 04:25.33 | Nyle | uses ignore |
| 04:25.34 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, you mean the source data ? read rate is 150 MB/s |
| 04:25.42 | kryptoz | its on a different disk on the same machine, |
| 04:25.51 | CompWizrd | ahhh.. what's the scp for then? |
| 04:26.41 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, this is how I do, I scp all the data to a disk (sdd1), the start the gzip sequentially, and writes to another disk (sde1) |
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| 04:27.13 | CompWizrd | can the data be organized into blocks of work? |
| 04:27.14 | kryptoz | so at a time there will be one read from sdd1 and one write process to sde1. |
| 04:27.14 | chibi_killstick | i seem to be having trouble with my gtk... |
| 04:27.27 | chibi_killstick | when i try to run synaptic i get the error: |
| 04:27.32 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, blocks of work how do I do that ? |
| 04:27.32 | revelater | stupid fuck telling me to get off his fucking screen |
| 04:27.36 | chibi_killstick | symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: cairo_xlib_surface_create |
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| 04:27.46 | CompWizrd | like say all files from [a-f]*, [g-m]*, [n-s]*, [t-z]* of roughly equal sizes? |
| 04:28.06 | chibi_killstick | does anyone have a solution or similar experience? |
| 04:28.24 | kryptoz | you mean divide it ? into equal chunks and start the backup ? |
| 04:28.40 | CompWizrd | something like that, yeah.. so you can run 4 or 8 or whatever gzip's at a time |
| 04:28.55 | kryptoz | I should be able to divide it if not equally, because they are huge mysqldb files... |
| 04:28.56 | CompWizrd | until you start seeing %wa go up, at which point you back off a bit cause you're now waiting for the disks all the time |
| 04:29.21 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, thats one option I have (thanks to you guys) and I will definitely try that... |
| 04:29.28 | CompWizrd | even if it's all one huge file, you could use split to break it into say 8 chunks and then run gzip on each of those chunks |
| 04:29.31 | CompWizrd | shouldn't be too hard to code up |
| 04:29.39 | doki_pen | damn it |
| 04:29.39 | CompWizrd | each of those chunks, all at once |
| 04:29.46 | doki_pen | device not found.. :( |
| 04:29.48 | doki_pen | me so sad |
| 04:30.07 | doki_pen | No such devide |
| 04:30.11 | CompWizrd | kryptoz, i spent a bit of time working on this today with a similar amount of data, so i had to learn this too :) |
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| 04:30.15 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, I understand I am gonna try that for the next backup (starts after 7 hours roughly) |
| 04:30.15 | doki_pen | No such device when I do modprobe |
| 04:30.29 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, will definitely let you know whether it helped me :) |
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| 04:30.44 | CompWizrd | if the machine suddenly gets louder and hotter, you probably got more than one core going ;) |
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| 04:31.09 | kryptoz | lol, and thats exactly what is going to help me i guess |
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| 04:31.22 | CompWizrd | but yeah, watch top, (or htop) |
| 04:31.25 | kryptoz | do you recomment more physical memory at this point ? |
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| 04:31.35 | kryptoz | cuz I have only 2 GB |
| 04:31.45 | CompWizrd | if you're not swapping, then about all that would happen is it'd have less disk caching going on |
| 04:32.08 | CompWizrd | you're reading in the data, and getting rid of it immediately.. especially with gzip's small window sizes, i don't think a lot of ram would make a difference |
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| 04:32.27 | CompWizrd | i had to upgrade the opteron 265 from 1gb to 5gb, because xfs needs 1gb of ram for ever TB of disk space.. had 4 tb of disk space in the box at one point |
| 04:32.30 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, thank you :) |
| 04:32.59 | kryptoz | Do you backup a lot of data ? |
| 04:33.00 | CompWizrd | i let xfs_check run for 3 weeks and said screw it, and wiped the drive and started over again after getting some more ram for it |
| 04:33.09 | tarkus | whats the big differences between apt-get and aptitude? im wondering why i should choose one over the other.. |
| 04:33.11 | kryptoz | What is the backup solution that you use ? |
| 04:33.12 | CompWizrd | well, we use backuppc |
| 04:33.21 | CompWizrd | backs up about 25 workstations and about 10 servers |
| 04:33.35 | CompWizrd | that machine was grossly overkill, was supposed to be used for something else and got repurposed |
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| 04:33.53 | kryptoz | oh okay ... |
| 04:33.58 | CompWizrd | a pentium 4 3.0ghz handles about 20 clients no problem, couple hundred gig if you don't get fancy with what you do with the data after |
| 04:34.10 | kryptoz | and I guess your backup doesnt grow exponentially ... |
| 04:34.24 | kryptoz | I will try backuppc :) |
| 04:34.35 | CompWizrd | what are you backing up? |
| 04:34.41 | CompWizrd | data that changes a lot, or mostly consistent? |
| 04:35.05 | CompWizrd | backuppc is nice because if you have 25 machines similar, (like, say all running windows XP), it'll backup the first one.. and every machine that has the same file, it'll just hardlink to that |
| 04:35.11 | kryptoz | web cache from the crawlers, each day about 400GB, out fo that 250 to archive (forever) |
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| 04:35.16 | kryptoz | :( |
| 04:35.18 | CompWizrd | so you can fit those 25 machines into say 10gb or so |
| 04:35.37 | Nyle | p4 3.2ghz w/ 4gb ram can handle 1 diablo 2 server, 2 diablo 2 clients, full desktop app regular everyday system, webserver for about 100+ people, ftp for entertainment media for about 40 users |
| 04:35.39 | CompWizrd | and then each backup after that, it checks to see if the file has changed, if not, hardlinks to the original file again |
| 04:35.44 | Nyle | debian sarge |
| 04:35.46 | kryptoz | I have around 40+ machines and I have a python script to do the backup. it took me some time to make the script stable as I was new to python |
| 04:35.51 | Nyle | really not much lag |
| 04:35.54 | Nyle | at all |
| 04:36.09 | Nyle | hardly ever lagged |
| 04:36.31 | Nyle | thats when sarge was freshly testing |
| 04:36.35 | CompWizrd | i don't know if backuppc will do what you need then, but you can look into it of course |
| 04:36.55 | tarkus | whats the big differences between apt-get and aptitude? im wondering why i should choose one over the other.. |
| 04:37.02 | Nyle | !why aptitude |
| 04:37.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 04:37.07 | Nyle | tarkus, ^^ |
| 04:37.23 | tarkus | great, thanks.. will continue using aptitude then |
| 04:37.27 | tarkus | :) |
| 04:37.51 | kryptoz | the data I backup changes daily... but the mysql only adds a bit of data .. if backuppc works like a rsync or more like a cvsupd for cvs which recongnizes the mysql data and do intelligently sync, its perfect |
| 04:38.06 | CompWizrd | i forget who said it, but something along the lines of the cruftiness of a system can be measured by how many apt-get remove `deborphan` runs it takes |
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| 04:38.39 | CompWizrd | backuppc can use samba, rsync, or tar to grab the data off the remote system |
| 04:38.54 | kryptoz | CompWiz, Nyle thank you so much for your advices, I have an option to try now :) thank you |
| 04:39.15 | Nyle | CompWizrd, thats part of my cron! |
| 04:39.18 | Nyle | weekly |
| 04:39.20 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:39.30 | CompWizrd | your other option is to see if 7zip has multithreaded capability |
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| 04:39.32 | CompWizrd | maybe i'll go look |
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| 04:39.47 | Nyle | kryptoz, don't thank me |
| 04:39.57 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, and since you introduced me to backuppc I will check whether it can handle rsync of mysql data and if its possible then I hit a jackpot :) |
| 04:40.01 | Nyle | I don't know nothin bout nothin |
| 04:40.16 | CompWizrd | you can't backup a live mysql db anyways, can you? have to dump it to a file, right? |
| 04:40.18 | Nyle | I just bullshit my way through shit ;) |
| 04:40.20 | CompWizrd | i'm mostly more familiar with postgres |
| 04:40.20 | kryptoz | Nyle, :p still thank you atleast you were listening to me ... |
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| 04:40.47 | Nyle | I stuck with mysql |
| 04:40.56 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, i lock the tables while copying the data off, and flush the lock once done.. so I get pretty consistent data backup, thats the best anyone can get I believe :) |
| 04:40.59 | Nyle | i know i know, fuck off fuck off, :D |
| 04:41.04 | CompWizrd | ah, ok.. you know what you're doing then :) |
| 04:41.15 | CompWizrd | don't forget to test the restore once in awhile :) |
| 04:41.42 | kryptoz | :p I will loose my job if I loose a data backup, I check every week twice :D |
| 04:41.52 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:42.03 | kryptoz | thank you once again :), CompWizrd I will come back to let you know how it went (solitting and gzipping ) |
| 04:42.06 | Nyle | thats good |
| 04:42.20 | CompWizrd | it's really slow unless you've got some serious horsepower, but par2 works nicely for where a file gets partially damaged, and you need to rebuild it |
| 04:42.28 | CompWizrd | the usenet folks use it for when a post is damaged or missing |
| 04:42.38 | Nyle | CompWizrd, very helpful |
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| 04:42.50 | CompWizrd | if you generate a 5% par2, you can recover from a 5% loss of files |
| 04:42.52 | Nyle | I used to leech |
| 04:42.56 | Nyle | that shit saved my life many times |
| 04:43.04 | CompWizrd | but, it does take some serious cpu time |
| 04:43.15 | Supaplex | cpu go nom nom nom nom |
| 04:43.18 | CompWizrd | good for monitoring for disk corruption though |
| 04:43.21 | CompWizrd | or bad ram |
| 04:43.27 | Nyle | when you have a cluster of 7 1ghz p4 1gb ram machines you tend not to give a fuck |
| 04:43.30 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:43.31 | CompWizrd | if the par2 fails, somethign went wrong somewhere |
| 04:44.03 | Nyle | dumpster diving in oklahoma at a bank |
| 04:44.18 | Nyle | they had wiped the disks and just thew that shit in the back |
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| 04:44.23 | Nyle | like didn't even dispose of em |
| 04:44.31 | Nyle | lucky for me, I was smoking pot in the back parking lot |
| 04:44.33 | abutt | can i change a users home directory to /var/www and make everyting in there writeable by that user? |
| 04:44.45 | Nyle | abutt, or.. |
| 04:45.15 | Nyle | you could use UserDir ( which I prefer, where users have ~/public_html/ and they can simply use ur.com/~username |
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| 04:45.31 | Nyle | you can also subdomain it like username.url.com |
| 04:45.34 | Nyle | whatever |
| 04:45.44 | abutt | Nyle this isnt an option i need to be able to connect via ftp and modify files with jedit that are in /var/www |
| 04:45.53 | abutt | its not my server |
| 04:46.02 | Nyle | well you can do whatever you want |
| 04:46.08 | Nyle | I wouldln't do that |
| 04:46.20 | abutt | would i use chown? |
| 04:46.42 | Nyle | sure |
| 04:46.52 | abutt | this is too complicated it shouldnt be |
| 04:47.00 | Nyle | life's a bitch |
| 04:47.11 | abutt | :rt |
| 04:48.11 | Nyle | abutt, if this is not your server, how do you have access to /var/www and chown its files? |
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| 04:48.18 | abutt | Nyle by root |
| 04:48.20 | Nyle | this implies you have root |
| 04:48.22 | abutt | but i dont want to log in as root via ftp |
| 04:48.25 | abutt | yea, i do |
| 04:48.28 | CompWizrd | kryptoz: looks like 7zip supports multiple cpu's, i'm testing it now |
| 04:48.36 | abutt | i dont even know if i can log in via FTP as root |
| 04:48.41 | Nyle | so if you have root, setup sftp... |
| 04:48.46 | abutt | sftp |
| 04:48.47 | Nyle | whats the problem? |
| 04:49.25 | abutt | Nyle package is not available :c |
| 04:49.28 | Nyle | you have access to the box, login as root and edit the files? use vim to edit files remotely |
| 04:49.29 | abutt | but is referred to by another package |
| 04:49.44 | Nyle | apt-cache search sftp |
| 04:50.12 | Nyle | !sftp |
| 04:50.12 | dpkg | hmm... sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. Linux clients are in the packages openssh-client, filezilla, konqueror, gftp, the server is in the package openssh-server. For windows clients, see http://winscp.net/ or http://filezilla.sf.net/ |
| 04:50.13 | abutt | vsftpd is what i am used to |
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| 04:52.10 | Nyle | putty i think too |
| 04:53.40 | abutt | well the point of setting up FTP was so that i could use jedit instead of VIM inside of Putty |
| 04:54.21 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, thats a sweet news if 7zip is intelligent enough :) |
| 04:54.22 | Nyle | or you could mount it as sshfs with the proper perms... |
| 04:54.31 | CompWizrd | kryptoz, i'm not sure if it's working or not |
| 04:54.43 | kryptoz | me too gonna check :) |
| 04:54.44 | CompWizrd | it's definitely slower than gzip, so it's probably not much use |
| 04:54.50 | Nyle | abutt, fine setup ftp.. whats the issue again? |
| 04:55.06 | CompWizrd | took 3m to compress 450 meg to 750k... hmm. |
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| 04:55.18 | CompWizrd | i need a more random test sample |
| 04:55.37 | redwyrm | what command would I use to get a list of installed packages (I want to redirect this command to a file, so I can't use synaptic) |
| 04:55.39 | Nyle | you need to try to compress binary data |
| 04:55.57 | CompWizrd | yeah, someone told me to use /dev/random, didn't they.. THAT didn't work so well and i got bored waiting for urandom :) |
| 04:56.01 | CompWizrd | finds someone's backup. |
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| 04:56.45 | CompWizrd | nice compression though, gzip only did about 15:1 |
| 04:56.46 | CompWizrd | :) |
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| 04:57.25 | Nyle | dpkg -l |
| 04:57.49 | Nyle | dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt |
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| 04:58.02 | Nyle | aptitude search '~i' |
| 04:58.16 | Nyle | !listkeys installed |
| 04:58.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'installed' by key (6): #debian installed packages ;; _default installed ;; _default installed packages ;; installed ;; installed packages ;; #debian installed. |
| 04:58.24 | Nyle | !installed packages |
| 04:58.24 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 04:58.32 | Nyle | well |
| 04:58.35 | Nyle | thats a much better way |
| 04:59.29 | Nyle | redwyrm, look up |
| 04:59.32 | kryptoz | yesterday I read some benchmarking comparison with 7z and gzip... and the verdict was gzip faster 7z compress better |
| 04:59.45 | Nyle | kryptoz, true |
| 04:59.52 | nevyn | with gzip -9 ? |
| 05:00.01 | CompWizrd | 45 seconds to gzip -1 a 900 meg backup down to 506 meg. trying 7zip now |
| 05:00.02 | Nyle | though it depends on the compression level |
| 05:00.02 | kryptoz | default, level 6 |
| 05:00.38 | Nyle | !ip |
| 05:00.39 | dpkg | nyle IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 05:00.57 | Nyle | !tcp |
| 05:00.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, tcp is Transmission Control Protocol, or the protocol that allows IP packets to send a stream of continuous, sequential data without holes from lost packets |
| 05:01.05 | Nyle | !stream |
| 05:01.10 | Nyle | !data |
| 05:01.10 | dpkg | i guess data is Information. Any series of bits, characters or objects that has meaning. Data is stored and transmitted by computers. (see "commander data") |
| 05:01.23 | Nyle | haha commander data |
| 05:01.34 | Nyle | commander Data |
| 05:01.48 | Nyle | !commander data |
| 05:01.48 | dpkg | methinks commander data is an android buit by Doctor Nunian Soong, serving on the Enterprise class starship. See also - star trek |
| 05:02.00 | Nyle | !star trek |
| 05:02.00 | dpkg | hmm... star trek is a worthy 60's TV series considered the best science fiction series .. |
| 05:02.08 | CompWizrd | 7zip also supports a pile of compression methods |
| 05:02.14 | Nyle | !7z |
| 05:02.15 | dpkg | i heard 7z is a public archive format providing high compression ratio initially implemented by the 7-Zip archiver, or ask me about 7-zip, or no support on UN*X yet |
| 05:02.26 | Nyle | p7zip? |
| 05:02.33 | Nyle | !info p7zip |
| 05:02.37 | dpkg | p7zip: (7zr file archiver with high compression ratio), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.57~dfsg.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 308 kB, Installed size: 841 kB |
| 05:03.01 | \amethyst | !7z =~ s/, or no support on UN*X yet// |
| 05:03.01 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 05:03.07 | Nyle | beat me to it |
| 05:03.30 | \amethyst | !7z =~ s/7-zip/7-zip or p7zip |
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| 05:03.32 | \amethyst | !7z =~ s/7-zip/7-zip or p7zip/ |
| 05:03.32 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 05:03.41 | kanzure | Can anybody on etch confirm that git-core works? |
| 05:03.42 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 05:04.18 | \amethyst | !7z =~ s/about 7-zip/about <7-zip> or <p7zip>/ |
| 05:04.18 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 05:04.26 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:04.29 | \amethyst | there |
| 05:04.38 | CompWizrd | on one file, this is only using 1 cpu... going to have to try multiple at once |
| 05:04.38 | redwyrm | Nyle, thanks alot :D |
| 05:04.38 | Nyle | indeed |
| 05:04.49 | Nyle | redwyrm, do i know you? |
| 05:04.59 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:05.02 | Nyle | yeh, sure man |
| 05:05.51 | Nyle | !pzip |
| 05:05.56 | Nyle | !pee |
| 05:05.56 | dpkg | pees on nyle's trousers. |
| 05:06.00 | Nyle | oh wtf |
| 05:06.04 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:06.13 | Nyle | ok the bot got me that time |
| 05:08.38 | CompWizrd | ok, 7zip is a waste of his time.. 3m28s to save 30 meg on the compression |
| 05:08.50 | Nyle | hah |
| 05:08.58 | CompWizrd | and that was the minimum comrpession |
| 05:09.02 | CompWizrd | which i would assume is the fastest |
| 05:09.22 | Nyle | well damn |
| 05:09.23 | \amethyst | if you want speed, gzip is definitely the way to go |
| 05:09.45 | Nyle | how did this happen? I have no food left, no drinks |
| 05:10.15 | Nyle | ahh thats what i was supposed to do today after work |
| 05:10.21 | Nyle | awe man |
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| 05:14.44 | kryptoz | 7z ruled out ! |
| 05:14.52 | CompWizrd | only used one cpu eh? |
| 05:15.39 | nuonec | yes |
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| 05:15.53 | CompWizrd | - 7-Zip now can use multi-threading mode for compressing to .ZIP archives. |
| 05:15.55 | CompWizrd | ooh. |
| 05:15.58 | CompWizrd | helps if i read the changelog! |
| 05:16.06 | xoz | do you have tips how to install mrtg? is it hard or easy? |
| 05:16.18 | xoz | particularly the config |
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| 05:17.24 | CompWizrd | got bzip2 in an older version too |
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| 05:18.09 | quentusrex | how do I update my ld paths? |
| 05:18.51 | cahoot | ldconfig |
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| 05:32.13 | CompWizrd | kryptoz, got 7z to use 4 cpu's.. but only on bzip2 so far.. so i know that's going to be slow :) |
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| 05:32.45 | kryptoz | but the changelog said multi threading is for zip. I was okay with .zip format :( |
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| 05:32.56 | kryptoz | :p just downloaded p7zip :d |
| 05:32.59 | kryptoz | gonna try :) |
| 05:33.18 | CompWizrd | by default the multithread support is on |
| 05:33.27 | kryptoz | sweet :) |
| 05:33.38 | kryptoz | but for bzip2 archives ? |
| 05:33.41 | CompWizrd | the documentation could use a lot of work |
| 05:33.48 | CompWizrd | but -tbz2 tells it to make bzip2 |
| 05:34.13 | CompWizrd | 1m51s to maek a 500 meg file |
| 05:34.18 | CompWizrd | about double the time of gzip |
| 05:34.22 | CompWizrd | i have to try a few more things |
| 05:34.42 | kryptoz | god .. btw in the readme.txt of p7zip --> FIRST : DO NOT USE the 7-zip format for backup purpose on Linux/Unix |
| 05:35.07 | nevyn | interesting. |
| 05:35.39 | kryptoz | sorry that was misleading, it recommends to tar archive and then compress the tar archive ! |
| 05:35.53 | CompWizrd | yeah, it doesn't store file permissions, etc |
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| 05:38.26 | CompWizrd | by default this thing should be using all 4 cpu's.. but so far only using the bzip2 compression has shown it will |
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| 05:40.33 | kryptoz | CompWizrd, found this .. http://consultant-berater.de/lzturbo/ |
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| 05:44.19 | CompWizrd | the other thing you should look at is if the file gets corrupted, can you easily recover it |
| 05:44.23 | CompWizrd | gzip isn't too hard to work around bad blocks |
| 05:44.36 | CompWizrd | or was that bz2.. i can't remember at 1:45 in the morning |
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| 05:44.45 | CompWizrd | but some file types are just.. difficult |
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| 05:44.57 | scriptdevil | is there anything like the unstable iso? |
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| 05:46.14 | scriptdevil | i can find only testing and stable |
| 05:46.36 | nonfatmatt | try the debian installer daily build |
| 05:46.55 | nonfatmatt | press escape when it first loads and set the debconf priority to low |
| 05:47.16 | nonfatmatt | then when it starts looking for mirrors you'll be able to specify unstable as your distribution set |
| 05:47.32 | CompWizrd | i just installed the unstable p7zip, and it says in 4.52 lzma was made into multithreaded.. the one in etch is 4.43 i think it was. |
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| 05:48.37 | Aeroraptor | you guys know of any tools for monitoring ACPI temps via cli? I'm finding loads for graphical tools but this is for remote access |
| 05:48.52 | scriptdevil | Aeroraptor: hddtemp? |
| 05:49.03 | Aeroraptor | that's not just SMART? |
| 05:49.20 | amphi | Aeroraptor: acpi -t |
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| 05:49.36 | Aeroraptor | dang, no thermal support... that's odd.. |
| 05:49.54 | amphi | modprobe thermal |
| 05:50.06 | amphi | sensors gives a lot more info |
| 05:50.25 | Aeroraptor | yeah, this is a dell poweredge so I would /think/ it would have acpi |
| 05:50.26 | CompWizrd | kryptoz: the p7zip in sid is properly multithreaded... though my only sid box is hyperthreaded, both cores are pegged. |
| 05:51.01 | kryptoz | I am a person who has not updated my machine to lenny :p |
| 05:51.10 | kryptoz | still using the stable! |
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| 05:52.02 | Aeroraptor | yeah no luck with sensors |
| 05:52.12 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to switch between two locales in X? |
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| 05:52.38 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: run "sensors-detect" |
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| 05:53.03 | Aeroraptor | valdyn: not installed or something... |
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| 05:53.10 | valdyn | !installit |
| 05:53.10 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 05:53.16 | Aeroraptor | when I ran sensors it told me to do that with no luck |
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| 05:53.20 | Aeroraptor | ... it's not in apt |
| 05:53.22 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: lm-sensors is the package |
| 05:53.25 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 05:53.31 | Aeroraptor | ... I have it |
| 05:53.37 | Aeroraptor | and sensors-detect is not there |
| 05:53.43 | jaggz- | what quickcams do you guys use? |
| 05:53.44 | Aeroraptor | unless I have to be sudo or root |
| 05:53.52 | scriptdevil | is it ok to just download the testing release and then change the repos to sid? |
| 05:53.54 | JyZyXEL | that might very well be |
| 05:53.55 | jaggz- | I'm interested in doing some coding which will read from the camera |
| 05:53.55 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: /usr/sbin/sensors-detect |
| 05:53.56 | Aeroraptor | (which I do, thanks for telling me) |
| 05:53.58 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: as root |
| 05:54.19 | JyZyXEL | anserw yes to all the questions |
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| 05:54.25 | jaggz- | and I need to know a nice compatible, inexpensive, camera |
| 05:54.27 | JyZyXEL | at the end it will tell you what kernel modules you need to load |
| 05:54.32 | Aeroraptor | yeah, it found a few it looks like |
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| 05:55.54 | Aeroraptor | so.. I did sensors detect and modprobed what it said too, but no luck with sensors still |
| 05:56.21 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: what is your cpu? |
| 05:56.56 | Aeroraptor | celeron 2.53 |
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| 05:57.06 | Aeroraptor | 533MHz bus |
| 05:57.17 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: maybe you dont have sensors. |
| 05:57.30 | Aeroraptor | yeah I guess not |
| 05:57.30 | valdyn | Aeroraptor: though i suppose at least the cpu temperature sensor is there |
| 05:57.34 | Haris1 | guys, I built a new kernel. How do I make-kpkg --initrd for it? I get the following error; |
| 05:57.42 | Haris1 | Error: Unknown target /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25 |
| 05:57.42 | Haris1 | use --targets to display help on valid targets. |
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| 05:58.40 | Haris1 | I just need the initrd image, config, systemmap, kernel, mods are ready |
| 05:59.10 | Haris1 | Also, I'm perplexed about the fact that it says the root is hd(9,0), rather than hd(0,0) |
| 05:59.13 | Haris1 | ? |
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| 05:59.28 | Haris1 | isn't that supposed to tell it hard disk and partition number on which it is stored? |
| 05:59.37 | Haris1 | or the one to boot from |
| 05:59.42 | Haris1 | ./with |
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| 05:59.52 | valdyn | Haris1: tell us the command you actually are running when getting that error message |
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| 06:01.30 | kinneh | hi all anybody here experience complete system hang after starting vmware any version (tried player, ws, ws-beta, server1,2) virtual machine on a debian unstable amd64 machine ? |
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| 06:02.06 | Haris1 | first I ran -> :/usr/src/linux-2.6.25# make-kpkg --initrd /usr/src/linux-2.6.25/arch/x86/boot/bzImage |
| 06:02.42 | Haris1 | Now I ran -> :/usr/src/linux-2.6.25# make-kpkg --initrd binary |
| 06:02.57 | Haris1 | It told me to read the README |
| 06:03.02 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:03.34 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/995479 |
| 06:03.41 | Haris1 | dimir: Morning |
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| 06:04.43 | nonfatmatt | oh |
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| 06:04.55 | nonfatmatt | Haris1, it has something to do with your versioning scheme |
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| 06:05.08 | nonfatmatt | eg how you named your kernel |
| 06:05.17 | Haris1 | well |
| 06:05.23 | Haris1 | I just did a make;make bzImage |
| 06:05.36 | Haris1 | in /usr/src/linux-2.6.25 |
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| 06:05.37 | nonfatmatt | tbh I'd just do a make-kpkg clean and redo it with the --initrd and the kernel image |
| 06:05.41 | Haris1 | AFTER make menuconfig that is |
| 06:05.53 | Haris1 | re do? |
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| 06:06.09 | Haris1 | make --initrd --bzimage you mean? |
| 06:06.18 | Haris1 | oops |
| 06:06.19 | nonfatmatt | nah |
| 06:06.20 | nonfatmatt | um |
| 06:06.40 | nonfatmatt | bzimage means that there is no initrd |
| 06:06.46 | Haris1 | make; make-kpkg --bzimage --initd binary ? |
| 06:07.02 | nonfatmatt | at least to me bzimage implies static modules |
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| 06:07.28 | Haris1 | to date it only meant a compressed/bzipped kernel image to me |
| 06:07.30 | Haris1 | I see! |
| 06:07.51 | nonfatmatt | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 06:08.31 | nonfatmatt | so a way around it would to be to rerun config, select what yo uneed as modules then do a make modules modules_install in the source dir but that wouldn't be the debian 'way' |
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| 06:10.50 | nonfatmatt | that handbook helped me out with proper use of make-kpkg |
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| 06:12.47 | maligor | kernel_image should be enough for most uses |
| 06:13.11 | maligor | as the target that is, binary builds packages that aren't really needed if you don't plan on installing it on other machines too |
| 06:13.27 | Haris1 | If I don't need an initrd, its ok |
| 06:13.35 | Haris1 | I'm just trying to do it the proper way |
| 06:13.46 | Haris1 | I'v set it up with update-grub |
| 06:13.57 | Haris1 | A reboot will tell how the box works with the new kernel |
| 06:13.58 | maligor | do you use lvm? |
| 06:14.03 | Haris1 | Nope |
| 06:14.10 | Haris1 | simple scsi hard drive in raid1 |
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| 06:14.26 | maligor | just make sure you build the controller driver in the kernel and it should boot fine |
| 06:14.29 | Haris1 | so far my 2 disk raid1 array is ok |
| 06:14.30 | maligor | without initrd that is |
| 06:14.39 | maligor | and filesystem drivers :P |
| 06:14.46 | Haris1 | yep |
| 06:14.51 | Haris1 | I chose most of the file systems |
| 06:14.58 | Haris1 | ufs, cifs, fat/vfat, ntfs |
| 06:15.04 | Haris1 | xfs, jfs |
| 06:15.06 | Haris1 | cdfs |
| 06:15.15 | maligor | ntfs is a bit obsolete |
| 06:15.27 | Haris1 | does the kernel have built in support that's better? |
| 06:15.34 | Haris1 | ..for ntfs |
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| 06:15.53 | maligor | ntfs-3g should be much better than the driver in the kernel |
| 06:16.12 | Haris1 | that sounds like a package |
| 06:16.26 | maligor | yes, it's a userspace filesystem driver |
| 06:16.50 | Haris1 | Description: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE <- what's fuse? |
| 06:17.03 | Haris1 | so, I should not build the kernel with ntfs driver? |
| 06:17.26 | maligor | doesn't really matter if you build it with ntfs or not |
| 06:17.33 | maligor | the driver name is different |
| 06:17.43 | nonfatmatt | yeah you call it differently i nfstab |
| 06:17.55 | nonfatmatt | 3g always worked well for me |
| 06:18.05 | maligor | fuse is the kernel feature that binds the filesystem to the userland |
| 06:18.25 | maligor | the kernel vfs that is |
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| 06:21.08 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 06:21.12 | Haris1 | too! much to read |
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| 06:23.23 | empiric | hi all any one did gosa with openldap in debian |
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| 06:55.42 | redwyrm | how do I make a .deb package from the source code of a program (it uses ./configure && make to build) |
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| 07:30.24 | ShredZ | I tried to get xen up and running on debian testing (did succesfully on etch), but now it stops at "relinquising VGA console", what's causing this ? |
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| 07:33.57 | spq | I'm trying to get sound working on a Medion MD96420 (lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03)) the driver seems to be snd-hda-intel but when loading it i dont get any lines in /proc/asound/cards and dmesg says: http://rafb.net/p/ALVKkL81.html |
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| 07:41.25 | pinto3 | if it's a newer motherboard, i'd look at alternate means of getting a sound driver |
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| 07:42.12 | pinto3 | i downloaded the new oss one for my card which gave me no troubles, but for onboard sound i was recommended to upgrade my kernel iirc |
| 07:42.13 | nonfatmatt | it shouldn't be |
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| 07:42.40 | nonfatmatt | it probably needs some help in modules.conf or something, like a module name |
| 07:42.47 | nonfatmatt | er model name |
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| 07:43.46 | spq | yes, but that oneishard to find, tried some for the chips mentioned in the dmesg |
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| 07:44.17 | nonfatmatt | what's the kernel version |
| 07:44.25 | spq | none gave me entry in the /proc/asound/cards file or good results in dmesg |
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| 07:44.37 | spq | 2.6.24.4 |
| 07:47.05 | nonfatmatt | http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=592222&sid=e21098d3d547cb59e907b5748fb5bfcc |
| 07:47.10 | nonfatmatt | having the same problem you are |
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| 07:48.07 | spq | hm, they have sound - but not very loud |
| 07:49.27 | lastnode | im using an ati radeon 200m xpress, to enable dual head do i need flgrx? |
| 07:49.29 | lastnode | *fglrx |
| 07:49.34 | nonfatmatt | laptop audio sucks |
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| 07:50.28 | nonfatmatt | iirc there's a 20db front audio boost option in alsa somewhere |
| 07:50.40 | Phase | Fresh install of debian, using gnome from the netiso (today) -- I've got an onboard soundcard (which is what is being used), but I want it to use my other sound card, where would I change this at? |
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| 07:51.25 | patrick-- | Good Morning folks! |
| 07:51.34 | spq | hm, no its a mix of different problems in that thread and the one with exactly my model said at the end it just works but he does not know why... |
| 07:51.56 | patrick-- | I was wondering if it's possible to Manage printers from a central fileserver with cups and also set who is allowed to use the printer and who may not ? |
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| 07:56.46 | yang | I have a file hosts.allow which has a list of hosts which are allowed, to disable the list i moved this file to another location and restarted sshd, but now i am getting ssh_exchange_error when i try to connect... |
| 07:56.56 | yang | if i move this file back, i can connect again |
| 07:57.40 | Haris1 | damn, I have 8 options for kernels in grub |
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| 08:02.24 | empiric | hi all |
| 08:02.31 | lastnode | hi empiric |
| 08:02.39 | empiric | any command line tool to send sms from sams gateway |
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| 08:02.54 | empiric | i have a sms gateway i can send sms from gsms utility |
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| 08:03.39 | lastnode | empiric: apt-cache search sms cli brings up a few |
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| 08:20.16 | Vany | sh: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 08:20.26 | Vany | what is wrong with my system? |
| 08:20.35 | Vany | where there is no dpkg-source command? |
| 08:20.59 | Vany | how to update and add the command, thanks? |
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| 08:23.11 | lucia | Vany, apt-cache search dpkg-source |
| 08:23.33 | lucia | dpkg -l dpkg-dev |
| 08:23.33 | dpkg | ii dpkg-dev 1.6-3.3 lucia's private stamp collection |
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| 08:24.27 | lucia | i found in /usr/bin/dpkg-source |
| 08:25.28 | lucia | apt-get install --reinstall dpkg-dev? |
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| 08:26.44 | Vany | let me try |
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| 08:35.24 | Vany | i have another question, when i update the /etc/network/interfaces file, i use /etc/init.d/networking restart command to startup the network, but the the0 do not be alive, why? how to do it? |
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| 08:40.43 | Drakou | Hello |
| 08:40.50 | Drakou | I have a little problem with slapd, I've installed it one week ago and i 've just rebooted my server today. After the reboot my database is empty. I try to understand why but i can't find a solution |
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| 08:41.12 | Drakou | in /var/lib/ldap there is binary bdb files. If i open it with vim i can see my records |
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| 08:41.21 | Drakou | so the data is still in /var/lib/ldap, but I don't uderstand why the database is empty whan i do a query on the ldap server via phpldapadmin or thunderbird |
| 08:41.28 | Drakou | Is it possible to recover my data ?? and how could i do that ? |
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| 08:43.41 | Drakou | Is there anybody here who knows well OpenLDAP ? |
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| 08:44.44 | nevyn | !ask |
| 08:44.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:50.04 | suppaman | !anyone |
| 08:50.05 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:50.18 | suppaman | !lol |
| 08:50.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 08:50.44 | suppaman | I always wanted to be an AOL user... |
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| 08:52.30 | Drakou | I asked the "anyone" question because i had no answer to my real question :p |
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| 08:53.09 | suppaman | maybe it's just bad time |
| 08:53.32 | suppaman | like 3AM ET |
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| 08:58.15 | EdwardTLS | ? |
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| 09:00.25 | riftdawg | anyone know of a cheap sip trunk provider that does instant activation via paypal or something or some test sip server? |
| 09:00.27 | riftdawg | i want to test out my asterisk install |
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| 09:02.57 | noosphere | in a model's save() method, how can one tell if self is a fresh instance being saved for the first time, or an existing one? |
| 09:03.04 | noosphere | oops, that was for #django |
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| 09:07.35 | empiric | lastnode |
| 09:07.44 | empiric | u know ang gsmssend command |
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| 09:12.36 | empiric | helo |
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| 09:13.15 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 09:13.49 | Haris1 | when I built the new kernel, it said the "Root device is (9, 0)". I have no 9,0. I have 0,0. As a result, the box doesn't boot. What are my options? |
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| 09:18.00 | filippo | hi |
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| 09:19.50 | filippo | I created a public_html inside /etc/skel with rwxr-xr-x permissions. Inside new users homes public_html has rwxr--r-- permssions |
| 09:20.05 | filippo | how can I fix that? |
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| 09:23.57 | pinto3 | maybe your umask is messing with it |
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| 09:26.29 | Haris1 | filippo: check umask |
| 09:27.08 | empiric | helo any one send sms from command in debian |
| 09:27.14 | filippo | Haris1: if I change the umask I'll change for every new dir |
| 09:27.31 | Haris1 | filippo: What's umask set to? |
| 09:27.59 | filippo | 0022 |
| 09:27.59 | liable | xgnokki can for x if you have a utms card |
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| 09:28.39 | Haris1 | Its ok. Not sure what else |
| 09:28.48 | Haris1 | anyone on the kernel issue? |
| 09:28.51 | Haris1 | When I built the new kernel, it said the "Root device is (9, 0)". I have no 9,0. I have 0,0. As a result, the box doesn't boot. What are my options? |
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| 09:28.55 | Haris1 | ^^ |
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| 09:29.23 | liable | yes, dont build kernels :P |
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| 09:31.20 | unop | edit menu.lst and change that back |
| 09:31.41 | SlayerXP | Haris1: you're unlikely to have a good reason for building your own kernel, so don't |
| 09:31.55 | baty | so use a live or rescue cd to acces your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:32.13 | magthe | hasn't built a kernel since he ran Gentoo, 5 years ago |
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| 09:33.05 | Knight_Lord | I'm getting svnadmin: Malformed representation header. Anyone knows what i should do? |
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| 09:34.50 | spx2 | Knight_Lord: what command gave you that error ? |
| 09:35.37 | daya | how to enable cgi-bin in apache2 |
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| 09:35.49 | Knight_Lord | spx2 first i tried an svn commit and i got svn: Found malformed header in revision file |
| 09:36.02 | Knight_Lord | spx2 then i did an svnadmin verify on the server and i got that |
| 09:36.15 | Knight_Lord | spx2 this was after an svn move |
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| 09:36.21 | Knight_Lord | spx2 i don't know if they are related |
| 09:37.02 | gynterk | Does anyone know that if its possible to desing a lightscribe label in linux (when you don't ha LS supported writer) and then load it in win for writing? |
| 09:37.06 | psys | how do compile module capability without compile full kernel modules? |
| 09:37.36 | psys | somebody know? |
| 09:38.44 | petemc | make modules |
| 09:39.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | How would one load a driver that is in /lib/modules/_____/kernel/drivers? |
| 09:40.36 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: modprobe blah |
| 09:40.47 | nevyn | note no .ko |
| 09:40.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | (I don't have the ieee1394 drivers in 2.6.24-1, so I symlinked the ones from 2.6.18-5, I'm hoping that works but not crossing my fingers) |
| 09:41.01 | Haris1 | SlayerXP: Invalid comment. Stick to the Q. |
| 09:41.25 | Haris1 | SlayerXP: ..and I do have a very good reason |
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| 09:41.32 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: ok that's a great way to crash your box.. good luck. |
| 09:41.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | Sounds good |
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| 09:41.55 | SlayerXP | Haris1: no, you can't make me. *thptptptptptptptptpt* |
| 09:41.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | How would I install the ones for my current kernel? |
| 09:41.58 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: depmod -a to rebuild the tree |
| 09:42.10 | Haris1 | The idea of windows was to 'use whatever you are given'. The idea of linux is to 'adapt to your needs, whichever way we want' |
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| 09:42.34 | Haris1 | So, that comment is possibly against open source's banner anyway |
| 09:42.40 | Haris1 | That's damned out of context of my Q again |
| 09:42.47 | Haris1 | How the heck can I solve this issue? |
| 09:42.58 | Haris1 | -> When I built the new kernel, it said the "Root device is (9, 0)". I have no 9,0. I have 0,0. As a result, the box doesn't boot. What are my options? |
| 09:43.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | nevyn: How would I get the ieee1394 drivers for 2.6.24? |
| 09:43.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | I would have thought they would ship with it for greatest compatibility |
| 09:44.06 | pinto3 | i think 9,0 might be sda, i'm no expert on the devfs though :p |
| 09:44.24 | Haris1 | yep, this box has 2 scsi hard drives |
| 09:44.27 | pinto3 | man 4 {sd,hd} might help |
| 09:44.31 | Haris1 | but the other kernels boot off of 0,0 |
| 09:44.36 | Haris1 | Ok |
| 09:45.44 | pinto3 | ah off by one, sorry, it's 8,0 |
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| 09:46.18 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: I'm supprised they're not included. honestly |
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| 09:46.41 | Haris1 | I'll be able to check after a few hours. People are working at this time |
| 09:47.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | nevyn: hmm. |
| 09:48.16 | SlayerXP | a hand-compiled kernel on a production server? Ewww. |
| 09:48.26 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: ooh this is fun |
| 09:48.29 | nevyn | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453358 |
| 09:49.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Wait what? |
| 09:49.50 | nonfatmatt | nevyn, yeah that was a problem for me too |
| 09:49.58 | nonfatmatt | had to recompile a kernel to get my firepod to work |
| 09:51.01 | nonfatmatt | makes no sense whatsoever |
| 09:51.05 | nonfatmatt | total breakage |
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| 09:51.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | crap |
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| 09:56.30 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: basically as far as I can see the kernel maintainer is being an ass. and/or the libs and apps are being slack. |
| 09:56.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | Crap. |
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| 09:57.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | Time to learn how to build a kernel then I guess |
| 09:59.00 | psys | how to Build Kernel Modules |
| 09:59.02 | psys | ? |
| 09:59.12 | jelly | psys: which ones? |
| 09:59.29 | psys | capability |
| 09:59.31 | psys | man |
| 09:59.59 | psys | without compile all kernel modules |
| 10:00.03 | psys | do you know? |
| 10:00.07 | psys | jelly |
| 10:00.10 | psys | =/ |
| 10:00.26 | jelly | lsm stuff? if it's a part of kernel source, I don't know |
| 10:00.36 | psys | oh my god |
| 10:00.37 | psys | ;~ |
| 10:00.38 | psys | ok |
| 10:00.39 | psys | thankz |
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| 10:00.56 | jelly | rebuilding the kernel isn't _that_ hard |
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| 10:07.42 | sep | Blast_Hardcheese, h0lger have precompiled binarys if you dont want to do you own http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=436267 |
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| 10:13.32 | zyx386_1 | hi |
| 10:13.47 | zyx386_1 | ican't install this .deb :( |
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| 10:14.02 | zyx386_1 | https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/?group_id=12 |
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| 10:15.10 | Ramattack | Helo! |
| 10:15.27 | Ramattack | does anybody know how could I fix dns nameservers in resolv.conf¿? |
| 10:15.32 | Ramattack | sorry |
| 10:15.48 | zyx386_0 | i can't install this package https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/?group_id=12 because i have python 2.4 |
| 10:15.50 | Ramattack | with fix I mean to become them untouchable even I have static it |
| 10:15.52 | Ramattack | ip |
| 10:16.03 | Ramattack | it's always refreshing my resolv.conf... |
| 10:16.04 | zyx386_0 | how can upgrade my python to 2.5? |
| 10:16.42 | zyx386_0 | :-( |
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| 10:17.40 | ArtVandalae | Ramattack, define "fix"? |
| 10:17.58 | Ramattack | to become unchangeable |
| 10:18.12 | totocool | hi all I`ve intel 82G express graphics accelerator and debian lenny installed, but when i start compiz fusion everything stucks, the drivers are xorg-intel-video |
| 10:18.18 | Ramattack | resolv.conf is updating too much |
| 10:18.22 | totocool | any ideas whay that happens |
| 10:18.43 | Ramattack | totocool, that's for me? |
| 10:19.09 | totocool | no for everyone who knows |
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| 10:21.19 | ma3x | can you join google groups using hotmail or yahoo? (without the need of gmail) ? |
| 10:23.01 | Suprano | my systems font size (e.g. the font in the xdm loginscreen, the font in GTK based programms and so on) is suddendly smaller and i have no idea where to change this |
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| 10:24.23 | replix | hi |
| 10:24.29 | nvti | hi |
| 10:24.39 | filippo | when I have two ethernet cards how can I be sure them are always correctly named (the first always eth0 and the second always eth1)? |
| 10:25.12 | replix | how do i change the console keymap? i am used to edit /etc/conf.d/keymaps under gentoo ;) |
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| 10:27.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do I list the packages available on a repo? |
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| 10:27.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | Do I have to spoof my user agent and try to access the repo via URL? |
| 10:27.31 | hans | annoying debian etch bug... usually I can get around it, but this time, with r4, i'm completely stuck. i install etch on the dell poweredge 2950 with lvm and encryption and when it boots, its unable to find the harddrive |
| 10:27.42 | nvti | replix: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 10:27.49 | hans | says, volume group "example" not found |
| 10:28.19 | hans | then it thinks the root filesystem is mapped to sdb1, rather it is actually sda1 |
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| 10:29.53 | arcsky | If i want to remove lets say apache2, then i do apt-get --purge remove apach2 . But why doesnt /etc/apache2 get delted and other files like /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
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| 10:31.02 | filippo | ok.. etch alredy solves my doubt |
| 10:31.41 | filippo | ./etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules bind a name with the MAC |
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| 10:37.48 | crazyfrog | how to install bt client? |
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| 10:39.21 | joltcan | apt-get install rtorrent |
| 10:39.37 | joltcan | crazyfrog: But you have to be morespecific if you need better answers |
| 10:39.54 | joltcan | ...like if it should be CLI/web/GUI based |
| 10:40.53 | crazyfrog | i just do not know what package to install |
| 10:41.44 | Guerin | !tell crazyfrog about search |
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| 10:47.23 | hans | does anyone know why the debian installer insists on mounting my single sata drive as SDB rather than SDA ? It kinda screws things up after it has finished installing |
| 10:47.35 | hans | is there a way to force it to reassign it to sda instead? |
| 10:47.51 | hans | (because thats what it sees it as when it boots after the install) |
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| 10:51.34 | suwro | hello |
| 10:52.29 | suwro | I have some weird fonts on my console - I've tried tzdata, localegen and still, mc has weird border instead | i have strange font, how can i fix this? |
| 10:52.59 | suwro | I am reffering to text console here... - X works ok, xterm, same |
| 10:53.38 | Bushmills | suwro: do numbers show allright? |
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| 10:53.53 | Bushmills | suwro: but letters are messed up? |
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| 10:54.12 | suwro | Bushmills: yes |
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| 10:54.45 | suwro | Bushmills: just the special chars - I can see the a-z but can't see the | or || or corners etc. |
| 10:55.21 | suwro | Bushmills: if I use dialog, all is messed up, mc too. |
| 10:56.27 | Bushmills | suwro: type on console, blindly: echo -e "\017" |
| 10:56.55 | Bushmills | oh |
| 10:56.55 | Bushmills | no |
| 10:57.00 | suwro | ?? |
| 10:57.10 | Bushmills | saw too late that a..z are ok. |
| 10:57.13 | Bushmills | thus, different matter |
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| 10:58.01 | Bushmills | you need a terminal font which supports the IBM character set of chars 128..255 |
| 10:58.16 | suwro | Bushmills: ex mc has instead pipeline on margins | - 3 french characters |
| 10:58.19 | suwro | Bushmills: aha |
| 10:58.30 | suwro | Bushmills: what do I have to do? |
| 10:58.46 | Bushmills | in x. try export TERM=xterm |
| 10:59.18 | suwro | nope. |
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| 10:59.27 | suwro | that isn't related to X? |
| 10:59.44 | suwro | My problem is in text console - not in X - x terminal works ok. |
| 10:59.54 | Bushmills | ah. export TERM=linux |
| 11:00.00 | suwro | how do I change the font? |
| 11:00.12 | Guerin | you don't |
| 11:00.18 | suwro | same - no change. |
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| 11:01.17 | fasta | During boot I was asked for the root password "or press Contr-D" to continue. This was during moving the boot log file, so it seems. But it was not stated that there was some kind of problem. |
| 11:01.41 | Guerin | fasta: you booted into single-user mode |
| 11:02.27 | suwro | Bushmills: ok - I did a console-setup reload - have some funny fonts - but now it's correct at least |
| 11:02.31 | fasta | Guerin: but why would the machine do that (I expect that a machine informs me of why it does things different than usual)? |
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| 11:02.51 | Guerin | fasta: mostly it would do that if instructed to do so. |
| 11:03.39 | suwro | fasta: ext3 partition ? |
| 11:03.48 | fasta | Guerin: but I am now running Gnome, and I can also login as a different user and all other processes are also running. |
| 11:03.54 | fasta | Guerin: doesn't look like single user mode at all. |
| 11:03.58 | fasta | suwro: yes |
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| 11:04.08 | Guerin | fasta: that's a bit fucked. |
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| 11:04.29 | fasta | suwro: I saw nothing related to the file system. |
| 11:04.51 | suwro | fasta: didn't the system asked you at boot for root password? coz he want you to start checkfs ? |
| 11:04.54 | fasta | suwro: I.e. not what one would typically see: read only mounted file systems, etc. |
| 11:05.09 | suwro | fasta: aha - ok |
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| 11:05.44 | suwro | fasta: cat /etc/inittab |grep initdefault |
| 11:05.51 | suwro | is it id:2 ?? |
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| 11:06.02 | fasta | id:2:initdefault: |
| 11:06.13 | suwro | runlevel |
| 11:06.16 | suppaman | fasta: you lucky |
| 11:06.18 | suwro | N 2 ?? |
| 11:06.28 | fasta | suppaman: because? |
| 11:06.36 | fasta | Oh, damn, a bot. |
| 11:06.44 | suppaman | shouldn't it be "why" when asking? |
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| 11:07.01 | fasta | suppaman: yes, I suppose. |
| 11:07.01 | suwro | fasta: try runlevel command - it is returning N 2 as result? |
| 11:07.04 | suppaman | fasta: really no reason, I just joined and saw your initdefault |
| 11:07.28 | fasta | suppaman: it's just a desktop machine, not some fancy server. |
| 11:07.30 | suwro | suppaman: init2 is debian's default runlevel ;) |
| 11:07.39 | fasta | suppaman: I assume you are referring to that. |
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| 11:07.54 | Guerin | so the question becomes: if not S, what is asking for the root pass on boot? |
| 11:07.58 | fasta | suppaman: yes |
| 11:07.59 | Guerin | i wouldn't trust it. |
| 11:08.02 | suwro | suppaman: runlevel does not matter - you can start same services on which runlevel you want. |
| 11:08.11 | suwro | suppaman: except 1 |
| 11:08.13 | suwro | ;) |
| 11:08.16 | fasta | Guerin: you think I am rooted? |
| 11:08.20 | suppaman | guys, I was just making humour about.. nothing |
| 11:08.21 | suwro | ah - and 6 |
| 11:08.36 | Guerin | fasta: anything's possible. |
| 11:08.43 | suppaman | I said you lukcy just because that didn't really mean anything, but thanks for all precious info on runlevel |
| 11:08.55 | fasta | Guerin: yes, computers. Approximately, infinite possibilities. |
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| 11:09.41 | Guerin | fasta: i'd probably reboot into known-good media now, and see what gives |
| 11:09.45 | Guerin | actually |
| 11:09.48 | Guerin | just reboot normally |
| 11:09.52 | Guerin | see if it happens again |
| 11:10.13 | fasta | Yeah, I thought of doing that too. Rebooting... |
| 11:10.20 | Guerin | g'luck |
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| 11:13.58 | fasta | Guerin: never mind, it was PEBKAC. |
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| 11:20.20 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 11:20.30 | serp_20 | okay, trying to get the mail server working really well, I got a standard exim4.conf, can anyone point me to a place that has some good acl's? |
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| 11:21.25 | serp_20 | is it possible to run virtual hosts that support multiple tls/ssl's? |
| 11:21.42 | dmilith | only one ssl per domain |
| 11:21.43 | ddalton | is dual booting debian and win vista the same as dual booting xp and debian? |
| 11:21.59 | dmilith | ddalton: #vista |
| 11:22.01 | Lagbolt | ddalton, yeah |
| 11:22.19 | ddalton | good. |
| 11:22.28 | Lagbolt | ddalton, just shrink windows and install debain. . . works perfectly |
| 11:23.00 | ddalton | and if I resize my win partition with gparted then what should I do in the debian installer to install to the free space available? use manually handle partitions? |
| 11:23.03 | serp_20 | yeah, thats what I read, dmilith, but i figure I might be able to handle more then one, if I can get the dns to tell me how check my domain name and sync the helo and ssl/tls with that domain request |
| 11:23.36 | liable | ddalton: if you have free space, it should chose to install to that automagically. |
| 11:23.39 | Lagbolt | ddalton, do it same as you would with xp. you can manually partition or you can "use largest free space" |
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| 11:23.58 | couannette | Hi all |
| 11:24.04 | Lagbolt | hi |
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| 11:24.18 | couannette | is there anyone skilled with dpkg-shlibdeps ? |
| 11:24.27 | ddalton | oh and if I did manual what partitions should I create and what partitions should I end up with? |
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| 11:24.38 | Lagbolt | shlibdeps? |
| 11:24.46 | couannette | yes when building a package |
| 11:25.05 | Lagbolt | cant saythat i have used it |
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| 11:25.26 | liable | ddalton: everything in / is the best bet if you dont know, or maybe a seperate /hom partition. |
| 11:25.41 | liable | s/hom/home/ |
| 11:25.43 | Lagbolt | liable, it is up to you, separate home is nice for reinstalls |
| 11:25.44 | couannette | when packaging you control you can put ${shlibs:Depends} |
| 11:25.58 | couannette | in control file ;) |
| 11:26.12 | liable | Lagbolt: you should tell that to ddalton :) |
| 11:26.13 | Lagbolt | ddalton, lots of options. can do lvm if you like too for easy resizing later |
| 11:26.18 | couannette | the package ends up with deps like that: |
| 11:26.24 | Lagbolt | sorry liable lol |
| 11:26.26 | couannette | libc6 (>= 2.7-1), |
| 11:26.27 | Lagbolt | i was distracted |
| 11:26.27 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 11:26.41 | enouf | ddalton: also you can choose one of the 'expert' modes for more control - see the installation guide and press f1-f10 when booted to boot prompt |
| 11:26.42 | Lagbolt | havent slept in a long time |
| 11:26.52 | abrotman | so sleep! |
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| 11:27.09 | abrotman | not like i'm one to talk .. but that's not the point |
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| 11:28.26 | enouf | ddalton: i would try to only have Primary partitions, (only 4 are available) .. and create them in order ... even if you leave the 4th to take up rest of disk space and don't format it right away |
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| 11:29.10 | serp_20 | a good a packet sniffer? anyone? |
| 11:30.05 | mquin | serp_20: tcpdump if you just want to grab data, wireshark if you need protocol analysis |
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| 11:30.44 | ddalton | sorry, lost braille for a bit. ok I thought I would just have linux, windows and swap? |
| 11:31.15 | serp_20 | mquin: this that the only one, the output format really sucked, if I remember? |
| 11:31.26 | JyZyXEL | wireshark is awesome tbh |
| 11:31.26 | liable | ddalton: that should be fine |
| 11:31.45 | enouf | ddalton: so 1) vista 2) "/" (root partition) 3) /home 4) swap .. (let 1, 2, 3 sizes leave you with only about 1GB for swap) .. though you might want to put swap as partition 2) and move the others up to 3) for "/" ..and 4) /home |
| 11:31.47 | ddalton | ill go with an automatic one though. cool. |
| 11:31.59 | JyZyXEL | did someone say vista |
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| 11:32.12 | serp_20 | u can burst signal with tcpdump, any protocol that avoids handshakin will just eat whatever data you throw at the machine |
| 11:32.27 | serp_20 | hours of fun |
| 11:33.14 | serp_20 | its been awhile, got my hardware and now I really need to get the software configured and working, then its a matter of time |
| 11:34.20 | epsilon | enouf: windows don't like multiple primaries |
| 11:34.26 | ddalton | enouf: around? |
| 11:34.32 | enouf | ddalton: sure |
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| 11:35.06 | ddalton | enouf: can I pm you since its... busy... |
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| 11:35.30 | enouf | ddalton: yep ;-) |
| 11:35.52 | enouf | liable: thank you |
| 11:36.56 | Lagbolt | ddalton, do you have a recovery part on there too? |
| 11:37.00 | Lagbolt | prob just want to trash it |
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| 11:37.27 | abrotman | ddalton: you haven't been around in awhile |
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| 11:38.43 | hjb | Hi. I have a question regarding the debian bug tracker: who can change the state of the bug, e.g. outstanding -> forwarded? |
| 11:39.20 | hjb | I have found a bug in k3b, which has a report both in debian bugtracker and in kde bugtraker |
| 11:39.38 | hjb | Now, logically, i would "forward" that, right? |
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| 11:40.16 | hjb | But i'm just a plain user, no package maintainer etc... |
| 11:40.30 | hjb | What should i do now? |
| 11:40.42 | abrotman | hjb: not really sure it's worth forwarding, only because it's already in the KDE bug tracker, you could however append each bug system to note the bug in the other |
| 11:42.04 | hjb | abrotman Hmm, the report at the KDE bugtracker is much more active. There lot of comments and the k3b author seems to acitively work on it |
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| 11:42.32 | abrotman | hjb: that's what i'm saying .. note the KDE bug in the debian bts, and maybe note the debian bug in the kde tracker |
| 11:43.26 | hjb | abrotman Ok, that's what i've started before. But then i was in doubt if that's the way to go! Thanks for clearification |
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| 11:44.38 | abrotman | hjb: and as an FYI, anyone can alter bugs |
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| 11:45.26 | abrotman | hjb: for instance, you could append the bug referring to the kde bug# and tag the debian bug as 'upstream' |
| 11:45.38 | blaker | i just found out that i'm running a vulnerable version of bind9. if somebody were to exploit it, what tools would they use? |
| 11:46.01 | abrotman | depends on the exploit i'd say |
| 11:46.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do I disable a package from a repository? |
| 11:46.16 | abrotman | disable why? |
| 11:47.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | I have another repository I want to install from |
| 11:47.08 | hjb | abrotman Oh, interesting. I'll now try to figure out how :-) |
| 11:47.25 | abrotman | hjb: bugs.debian.org .. read about how to manipulate bugs |
| 11:47.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | deb http://layer-acht.org/debian sid 1394kernel |
| 11:47.44 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: so just install it? |
| 11:47.52 | abrotman | blaker: please don't msg me |
| 11:47.54 | couannette | help about shlibs.local :) |
| 11:48.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | so that I can get the precompiled 2.6.24-1 kernel that comes with 1394 preinstalled |
| 11:48.16 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: you mean the other firewire stack? |
| 11:48.19 | abrotman | the old one / |
| 11:48.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yes |
| 11:48.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:48.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | The old one |
| 11:48.28 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: you can install it then place the package on hold |
| 11:48.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | The only one that works, currently |
| 11:48.37 | abrotman | they both work |
| 11:48.46 | abrotman | the applications are broken :) |
| 11:48.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | unfortunately the new one doesn't do what I need, |
| 11:49.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Provide firewire networking or mount firewire drives. |
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| 11:50.27 | couannette | need help about shlibs.local :) |
| 11:50.27 | vi390 | what tools are there available to set spindown time on SATA drives? (using hdparm -s 1 -S 1 /dev/xx is giving: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(powerup_in_standby) failed: Input/output error) |
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| 11:50.43 | vi390 | but the drive is ready, and accessible |
| 11:51.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Sorry, your advice was kind of confusing |
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| 11:51.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm not exactly positive on how this whole thing is supposed to work |
| 11:51.16 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: should i write in pig latin? :) |
| 11:51.25 | abrotman | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about hold |
| 11:51.29 | abrotman | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about pinning |
| 11:51.36 | abrotman | the hold is easier .. pinning is more permanent |
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| 11:51.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | That would have been helpful the first time. |
| 11:51.50 | abrotman | the pig latin? or the bot msg? |
| 11:51.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm new to Linux, still trying to understand how everything fits together |
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| 11:52.06 | abrotman | probably shouldn't be running sid then .. but whatever |
| 11:52.14 | enouf | hjb: can you point me to the specific bug? |
| 11:52.26 | abrotman | enouf: bugs.debian.org/k3b :) |
| 11:52.39 | enouf | abrotman: all of them? :-P |
| 11:52.50 | abrotman | enouf: have you ever used kde? yes, the whole thing is a bug :) |
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| 11:53.02 | blaker | kde is a bug |
| 11:53.02 | blaker | rofl |
| 11:53.09 | enouf | abrotman: thanks for the clarification - can i quote you? :-) |
| 11:53.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Honestly I don't know what sid is. I know that I need a 2.6.22 or greater kernel in order to workaround a bug in the previous kernels that caused a wonderful NFSv4 failure, |
| 11:53.22 | abrotman | cute |
| 11:53.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | Unfortunately 2.6.22 was the exact revision they switched to the new firewire stack. |
| 11:53.37 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what is the version number |
| 11:53.38 | hjb | enouf sure: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471316 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147970 |
| 11:53.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm hoping the reason that they switched was not a fix for this problem |
| 11:53.43 | abrotman | enouf: you wouldn't be the first |
| 11:53.55 | enouf | takes notes :-p |
| 11:54.01 | liable | testing has .24 |
| 11:54.02 | enouf | hjb: gracias |
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| 11:54.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: 2.7-10 |
| 11:54.23 | hjb | enouf May i ask why you want to know? |
| 11:54.34 | abrotman | enouf will fix it! |
| 11:54.41 | abrotman | !info libc6 lenny |
| 11:54.41 | Frafra | hi all |
| 11:54.44 | hjb | :-) cool |
| 11:54.46 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-10 (lenny), Packaged size: 4301 kB, Installed size: 10400 kB |
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| 11:54.54 | enouf | and in return - a little general HDD info for you all http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/hard_disk_reliability/ |
| 11:55.11 | enouf | hjb: i like to know about certain things ;-) |
| 11:55.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: yep |
| 11:55.22 | Frafra | I would install Debian Lenny on my pc, wich has a zyxel 600 usb modem. How to do it? |
| 11:55.22 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: okay, well you're going to have to continue with what you're doing, though you may want to file a bug or see if bugs are already filed |
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| 11:55.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | Bugs have been filed |
| 11:55.45 | Blast_Hardcheese | I found that repository via one of the bug reports |
| 11:56.09 | abrotman | enouf: that's not really a great article |
| 11:56.14 | hjb | enouf Yeah, that's ok. But you're not going to forward it or modify the bug? In that case i can stop my studies on how to use the debian bts immediately :-) |
| 11:56.19 | enouf | hjb: jfyi, you might want to try growisofs from the CLI using the -use-the-force-luke=wrvfy option |
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| 11:56.39 | hjb | enouf It's ok. I've found a workaound |
| 11:56.51 | hjb | enouf I also has added it to the kde bts |
| 11:56.52 | enouf | abrotman: do better! i dare ya ;-) |
| 11:56.58 | abrotman | Frafra: do you know the driver that makes it work? |
| 11:57.03 | pinto3 | does anybody know a tool like the gnome dictionary plugin that tosses it on my toolbar, that can lookup computer-related terms? |
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| 11:57.17 | abrotman | enouf: okay "HDDs fail, tough shit, keep backups" |
| 11:57.31 | Frafra | abrotman: I don't now.. it's a PRESTIGE 630-S1 USB |
| 11:57.36 | enouf | abrotman: you're "wearing me out" ;-) |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | !find zyxel lenny |
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| 11:57.59 | abrotman | enouf: let me power cycle you |
| 11:58.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zyxel' (4): (/usr/share/freeradius/dictionary.zyxel) in net/freeradius ;; (/etc/prelude-lml/ruleset/zyxel.rules) in admin/prelude-lml ;; (/var/lib/nessus/plugins/{zyxel_http_pwd.nasl|zyxel_pwd.nasl}) in admin/nessus-plugins ;; (/var/spool/hylafax/config/{zyxel-1496e|zyxel-1496e-1|zyxel-1496e-2.0|...}) in comm/hylafax-server. |
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| 11:58.23 | abrotman | Frafra: ask google about a driver, then we'll see if that driver is in debian |
| 11:58.24 | enouf | abrotman: promise to pull my plug? ;-P |
| 11:58.31 | enouf | runs |
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| 11:58.44 | abrotman | enouf: would you rather i put it in the socket? |
| 11:58.48 | enouf | !seen wols_ |
| 11:58.48 | dpkg | wols_ <n=klingens@p549DEFB2.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 30d 14h 19m 16s ago, saying: 'MTAs always try to resend but not infinitely'. |
| 11:58.58 | abrotman | enouf: he's on fn, msg him |
| 11:59.01 | enouf | this is getting serious :-P |
| 11:59.18 | enouf | ok ok ok already |
| 11:59.30 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. you might get electrocuted :) |
| 12:00.07 | enouf | !tase abrotman |
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| 12:00.24 | abrotman | !shock enouf |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | apparently a dead circuit! |
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| 12:03.13 | enouf | hjb: are you the one who posted on Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:30:22 -1000 (HST) ? |
| 12:03.20 | enouf | about ejecting? |
| 12:03.21 | meeero | i've got a dns-server which is installed on 3 similar servers and on everyone it listens on tcp and udp..but on one it doesn't, the config is the same, i'm positive, it's configured to listen on * (as on the other 2 servers), but when i start it, then it does not listen on tcp according to netstat -a | grep domain it lists just udp, but not tcp, as on the other 2 servers, any idea what's causing the dns-server not to listen on tcp? |
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| 12:04.25 | mavhc | is there something else listening on that port? are there any logs? |
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| 12:04.54 | meeero | well, how can i check which applications are listening on tcp/53? |
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| 12:05.11 | meeero | that's the default port, and i think that netstat -a would listen that as hostname:domain |
| 12:05.11 | suppaman | netstat I think |
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| 12:05.16 | hjb | enouf No, that wasn't me. But obviously someone with the same problem |
| 12:05.18 | meeero | yes, but which parameters |
| 12:05.27 | Frafra | abrotman: its id is 0586:330e, I haven't found on google other infos |
| 12:05.37 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 12:05.37 | dpkg | i guess driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 12:05.42 | marc7 | besides the immutable flag (+i), what else would make .bash_history practically invulnerable to being cleared out? |
| 12:05.45 | Frafra | thanks |
| 12:05.45 | suppaman | listen and inet af, check man page |
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| 12:05.51 | abrotman | kmuto doesn't know about it |
| 12:06.01 | enouf | hjb: i was going to say; even in orig report filed (2nd url you posted) shows; /usr/bin/growisofs -Z /dev/scd0=/dev/fd/0 -use-the-force-luke=notray -use-the-force-luke=tty -use-the-force-luke=tracksize:2227891 -dvd-compat -speed=8 -overburn -use-the-force-luke=bufsize:32m <-- there's no -eject option there - should try it with it |
| 12:06.18 | suppaman | marc7: there was a cumulative fs |
| 12:06.33 | abrotman | Frafra: nevermind .. he only checks PCI |
| 12:06.43 | enouf | hjb: not ejecting, and not verifying to me is only perhaps mildly related |
| 12:06.56 | marc7 | suppaman: googling comes up with something about a "minor salivary gland biopsy" :) can you elaborate? |
| 12:07.09 | Frafra | :( |
| 12:07.17 | enouf | hjb: er, i meant ejecting and not reloading to continue witht the verify process |
| 12:07.19 | suppaman | marc7: no |
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| 12:07.28 | abrotman | Frafra: it looks like there is a driver for some zyxel modems |
| 12:07.32 | suppaman | bye |
| 12:07.40 | marc7 | hah, worst help ever. |
| 12:08.00 | abrotman | marc7: you could also ask #bash or ##linux |
| 12:08.51 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:09.25 | marc7 | abrotman: i was just joking at suppa's reply. but I agree, it's likely not anything specific to debian... although this is a fairly stock debian install... although it's probably time I updated this box from sarge anyway. |
| 12:09.35 | hjb | enouf I guess the eject is performed by k3b after growisofs finished successfully |
| 12:09.37 | Frafra | abrotman: i've heard about eciadsl for usb modem, do you know? |
| 12:10.11 | enouf | also, do you have an /etc/default/{cdrecord|wodim|mkisofs} file |
| 12:10.37 | enouf | hjb: growisofs accepts mkisofs options |
| 12:10.38 | meeero | suppaman: well, there's nothing |
| 12:10.41 | hjb | enouf I guess there're burner which can't access the medium after write process without reloading, that's the only logical reason why this was added |
| 12:10.47 | hjb | enouf oh, ok |
| 12:10.48 | enouf | hjb: called genisoimage now |
| 12:10.56 | meeero | there are about 4 processes, using their own ports |
| 12:11.00 | meeero | nothing blocking 53 |
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| 12:11.54 | hjb | enouf Hmm? Both also have no -eject option according to there manpages |
| 12:12.14 | Frafra | I've found it: it's an accessrunner |
| 12:13.14 | abrotman | marc7: couldn't you just increase your HISTSIZE? |
| 12:13.21 | hjb | enouf no, i don't have any /etc/default/{cdrecord|wodim|mkisofs} file |
| 12:13.29 | enouf | hjb: my bad, i'm thinking of cdrecord/wodim |
| 12:13.42 | hjb | enouf np :-) |
| 12:13.43 | marc7 | abrotman: i'm wanting to clear the bash history as I've echoed some sensitive information into it through an accidental ^v |
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| 12:14.33 | marc7 | my mistake. i'd rather not flatten the box today if possible. |
| 12:14.35 | abrotman | marc7: oh .. cat /dev/null > ~/.bash_history ? |
| 12:14.42 | marc7 | abrotman: permission denied. |
| 12:14.44 | abrotman | export HISTSIZE=1 ? |
| 12:14.56 | abrotman | marc7: isn't it your bash history? |
| 12:14.57 | enouf | hjb: i just recall reading about all this and thinking about the /usr/bin/eject command |
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| 12:15.01 | marc7 | sorry, more accurately.. -su: /staff/root/.bash_history: Operation not permitted |
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| 12:15.11 | abrotman | marc7: because you made it immutable ? |
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| 12:15.23 | Frafra | abrotman: it's an accessrunner, cxacru driver... Is this driver in debian? |
| 12:15.24 | enouf | heno: oh - and also hdparm or sdparm - i've got too much info meshing around up there |
| 12:15.33 | abrotman | Frafra: i'm trying to look a bit .. moment |
| 12:15.43 | marc7 | root@iridescent:~# chmod -x .bash_history && cat /dev/null > ~/.bash_history chmod: changing permissions of `.bash_history': Operation not permitted |
| 12:15.46 | abrotman | /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/atm/cxacru.ko |
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| 12:15.53 | abrotman | if that version supports your modem |
| 12:15.54 | marc7 | sorry |
| 12:16.05 | hjb | enouf i'm not sure if k3b uses the eject command |
| 12:16.06 | Frafra | thanks |
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| 12:16.12 | marc7 | -x is not what i was looking for. |
| 12:16.19 | abrotman | marc7: changing the perms won't hel you |
| 12:16.37 | abrotman | Frafra: lenny currently has a .24 kernel .. see if that version supports your modem |
| 12:16.52 | hjb | enouf After all it waits for the disk beeing reloaded, but doesn't recognize that on slot-ins or passive laptop drives |
| 12:16.57 | Frafra | ok, thanks |
| 12:16.58 | enouf | hjb: last entry; "There's an option in the configuration dialog (under "advanced"): "Do not eject medium after write process". http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147970 |
| 12:17.04 | marc7 | # lsattr .bash_history -----a----------- .bash_history |
| 12:17.27 | abrotman | Frafra: i can't see it supporting it .. but perhaps i'm just goofy |
| 12:17.47 | marc7 | aaaand removing 'a' is the trick. |
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| 12:18.04 | marc7 | thanks for the guided walk down obvious lane abrotman |
| 12:18.05 | hjb | enouf <hjb> enouf It's ok. I've found a workaound |
| 12:18.05 | hjb | <hjb> enouf I also has added it to the kde bts |
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| 12:18.08 | marc7 | i missed that entirely |
| 12:18.15 | mb-- | hey, is some one using kickstart? |
| 12:18.16 | hjb | hjb now you've found it :-) |
| 12:18.36 | abrotman | mb--: you mean FAI ? |
| 12:18.38 | hjb | doh, s/hjb/enouf/ |
| 12:18.54 | Frafra | abrotman: there is a /drivers/usb/atm/cxacru.c in 2.6.24! good :D |
| 12:19.17 | mb-- | abrotman, i mean the automatic installation (the ks file) |
| 12:19.28 | abrotman | Frafra: it doesn't mean that versoin supports your device |
| 12:19.34 | abrotman | mb--: debian uses FAI .. |
| 12:19.52 | mb-- | well, but you can also use the ks file |
| 12:20.07 | enouf | hjb: i'm talking about a drive setting, set by either hdparm/sdparm |
| 12:20.28 | Frafra | abrotman: why? |
| 12:20.38 | hjb | enouf oh, ok. |
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| 12:21.05 | abrotman | Frafra: because it doesn't automatically mean it's supported by that version of that driver |
| 12:21.06 | hjb | enouf Exactly which drive setting do you have in mind? |
| 12:21.43 | enouf | hjb: what model is your craptop burner? "cdrdao scanbus" or "wodim -scanbus" , or .. |
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| 12:22.18 | hjb | enouf /dev/scd0: MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ-822Sy RC01 [cd/dvd] |
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| 12:23.00 | enouf | hjb: i'm seeing issues mostly with DVD-RAM drives - all sorts of issues - SATA drives too |
| 12:23.03 | hjb | enouf that Craptop wasn't intentional, was it? |
| 12:23.29 | hjb | enouf Oh, this is a DVD-RAM |
| 12:23.31 | enouf | yes, it was ;-) but that's just my silly prejudiced bias ;-) |
| 12:23.37 | Frafra | abrotman: I've read that I've to extract the firmware from the .sys windows driver |
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| 12:24.13 | abrotman | Frafra: sounds icky but okay |
| 12:24.23 | hjb | enouf the laptop is fine, but the drive is not. I also had to exchange it because it was broen after 1 and a half year |
| 12:24.45 | hjb | enouf Good luck ibm/lenovo offers great warrenty support ;-) |
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| 12:25.31 | enouf | hjb: i see |
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| 12:26.01 | enouf | hjb: is that drive an Ultra-Bay type? |
| 12:26.11 | abrotman | hjb: you had to exchange the whole laptop ? |
| 12:26.19 | hjb | abrotman no, only the drive |
| 12:26.34 | hjb | abrotman oh, and the mainboard, but thatwas my fault :-D |
| 12:26.45 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 12:27.17 | hjb | abrotman you know? Those magnetic power cable build by apple are great :-) the conventional used by other not! |
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| 12:27.57 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to determine if the dns server is already working? |
| 12:27.59 | abrotman | hjb: you ripped out your AC plug? |
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| 12:28.11 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: nslookup www.google.com <serverIP> |
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| 12:28.26 | hjb | enouf yes, it's "ultrabay slim" type |
| 12:28.36 | enouf | hjb: aha! |
| 12:28.51 | hjb | abrotman Yeah! And i can tell that that hurts!!! |
| 12:28.57 | enouf | hjb: just adds more layers to debug - good old PCMCIA ;-) |
| 12:28.57 | hjb | enouf aha? |
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| 12:29.19 | enouf | hjb: i hope you mention that in your bug report ;-) |
| 12:29.40 | rhineheart_m | if it returns my public ip with ISP string what does it mean? |
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| 12:29.58 | enouf | Drive Make/Model - Type of Media tested with - and style of drive (Bus/Connection) UltraBay |
| 12:30.00 | hjb | enouf hmm, i must have forgotten :) Maybe someone asks |
| 12:30.04 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: dig @yourdns |
| 12:30.23 | enouf | hjb: have you tried with various blank media? CD-R, DVD+ and DVD- ? |
| 12:30.27 | enouf | R and RW ? |
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| 12:30.52 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, whar do you mean? |
| 12:30.59 | hjb | enouf No, nothing. Only DVD+R multisession |
| 12:31.13 | hjb | enouf i just wanted to ake a quick backup from some data |
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| 12:31.27 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: dig @dnsname hostname |
| 12:31.28 | enouf | hjb: not the point ;-) |
| 12:31.32 | Bushmills | test a dns |
| 12:31.43 | enouf | hjb: aha! Multisession? .. ugh |
| 12:31.51 | enouf | hjb: that's another issue :-p |
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| 12:32.07 | rhineheart_m | Bushmills, I am working windows environment.. the server is in debian and I'm accessing it remotely |
| 12:32.11 | hjb | enouf I've stumbled about that bug, found it in the bts, added my workaround and that's it for now |
| 12:32.13 | enouf | hjb: just please add that info to your report - thank you |
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| 12:32.32 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: ssh to debian server, run dig there |
| 12:32.39 | hjb | enouf Which bug report? The one i've added to the KDE bts? |
| 12:32.51 | hjb | enouf I think i've metioned multisession in it |
| 12:33.29 | enouf | hjb: whichever one you added to ;-) |
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| 12:33.52 | enouf | (Oh btw. i've burned multisssion. I don't know how my burner behaves after actually finishing (closing) a dvd :-/ ) |
| 12:33.58 | enouf | yeah, i see that part |
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| 12:34.21 | hjb | enouf right, that's it |
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| 12:34.44 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: or run dig for windos |
| 12:34.52 | hjb | enouf Maybe i should spent more time on testing this |
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| 12:35.24 | rhineheart_m | dig in windows is not a recognized commang |
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| 12:35.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:35.55 | hjb | enouf But it's just that i don't have the time now. But i wanted to add a link to the debian bug so that other's know it's upstream and known and where the report can be found |
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| 12:36.01 | Bushmills | rhineheart_m: write a bug report to microsoft |
| 12:36.23 | hjb | enouf But i wasn't sure in which way this is handled correctly, that's why i've asked |
| 12:37.10 | rhineheart_m | anybody here using ISPconfig in debian? |
| 12:37.32 | enouf | hjb: well, thanks for filing - i'm reading the orig bug filers report (it came from ubuntu?) seems again that long growisofs command i pasted above does not contain the option i mentioned (-use-the-force-luke=wrvfy) |
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| 12:38.48 | enouf | hjb: search this page for that option http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/tools/growisofs.c it's there |
| 12:38.56 | hjb | enouf maybe k3b uses some other program for verification? |
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| 12:39.27 | hikenboot | hello..if I am trying to cross compile uClibc for building a distro for the X86-64 architecture on a i686 323 bit machine do I compile uClibc for the architecture of the build system or the destination system X86-64 |
| 12:39.31 | joe___ | hi guys. i just got a core2duo system. I was wondering if I should postpone my debian installation until a future date (new release of debian, the one after etch) Will this occur soon, or should I just install etch? Also, the wiki for amd64 mentions sid and sarge, but there is no mention of etch. Why is this so? |
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| 12:39.45 | enouf | nah, you can see from the reports how k3b is just a frontend for the tools i mention |
| 12:39.51 | enouf | hjb: ^^^^^^^ |
| 12:40.13 | halmgras | hi, i struggle with: |
| 12:40.13 | enouf | and really growisofs just calls on dd ;-) |
| 12:40.14 | halmgras | Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fehler! |
| 12:40.15 | halmgras | E: Wow, you exceeded the number of descriptions this APT is capable of. |
| 12:40.15 | halmgras | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/de.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_universe_i18n_Translation-de |
| 12:40.15 | halmgras | E: Die Paketliste oder die Statusdatei konnte nicht geparst oder geöffnet werden. |
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| 12:40.24 | enouf | oh dear |
| 12:41.05 | RaceCondition | this is probably not the best place to ask this, but how do I make a file only executable but not readable? tried with setuid/setgid, with no success |
| 12:41.05 | enouf | joe___: why psotpone? |
| 12:41.25 | enouf | joe___: Etch is avail for all archs ;-) (that i can think of) |
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| 12:41.38 | enouf | !etch |
| 12:41.38 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 12:41.42 | hjb | enouf I see, it's mentioned there. But the manpage says nothing about it. |
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| 12:42.07 | hjb | enouf Maybe it's an unsupported feature? |
| 12:42.08 | enouf | hjb: the man page doesn't list any of the -use-the-force-luke options |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | RaceCondition: why? |
| 12:42.12 | enouf | and it says why |
| 12:42.44 | RaceCondition | abrotman: our client needs execute access to our tools, but not their source :) |
| 12:42.52 | earthian | Hello hello. |
| 12:42.53 | RaceCondition | abrotman: and obfuscation is not an option right now.. |
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| 12:42.57 | enouf | no, it's not unsupported - reread the bug reports you posted ;-) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147970 |
| 12:44.18 | enouf | hjb: k3b asks if you want to save session to log - that's all the info (many many lines of data) you see there |
| 12:44.18 | abrotman | RaceCondition: and chmod -r .. fails? |
| 12:44.20 | hjb | enouf :-) ok, you're right. But why is k3b not using that? |
| 12:44.24 | earthian | does anybody know how to get support with dosemu on debian-like os? i fail to make my cdrom detected properly or so.. |
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| 12:44.44 | hjb | enouf i now, looked somehow identical on my machine |
| 12:44.49 | hjb | +k |
| 12:44.51 | enouf | it likely is - i'm too lazy to fire up a bloated GUI app and see ;-) |
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| 12:45.39 | enouf | or .. like you said - maybe it's using md5sum or openssl's md5 aspect - i really am not sure about that hjb |
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| 12:46.00 | joe___ | save |
| 12:46.02 | hjb | enouf I guess, because else it should be in the command that's logged |
| 12:46.02 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: what permissions did you try, and what kind of file is it? |
| 12:46.10 | Lagbolt | earthian, what is the problem? cant install it or does not work? |
| 12:46.18 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: in particular, is it a binary or a script? |
| 12:46.24 | hjb | enouf "use-the-force-luke=wrvfy for WRITE AND VERIFY(10);" |
| 12:46.34 | enouf | hjb: perhaps your drive lost some sense mode calibration after going into/out of suspend - who knows |
| 12:46.41 | enouf | hjb: correct |
| 12:46.52 | RaceCondition | abrotman: what do you mean chhmod -r? \amethyst: it's a Ruby script |
| 12:46.53 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 12:46.54 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 12:47.04 | hjb | enouf That means that the verification can't be started stand-alone |
| 12:47.05 | earthian | Lagbolt, dosemu with freedos has a program cdspeed not detect my cdrom device. also a game that this issue is all about says that i have to insert cdrom while it is in the cd drive! :/ |
| 12:47.20 | PSI-Klops | Hi... i want to record my own SignLanguage".avi's" with a logitech webcam to make a Dictionary... is there an App for using the camera to record |
| 12:47.20 | enouf | hjb: hotpluggable drives just add another layer of tshooting to be done on top of everything else |
| 12:47.26 | RaceCondition | \amethyst: I tried with 771 and setuid+setgid. |
| 12:47.39 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: oh, in Linux scripts have to be readable to be executed, and setuid/gid scripts are not supported |
| 12:47.47 | earthian | so I suspect that the cdrom is not detected correctly :/ |
| 12:47.53 | hjb | enouf Hm, may i ask: have you used the "use-the-force-luke=wrvfy by yourself? |
| 12:47.57 | enouf | hjb: especially with Proprietary Firmware involved, all these PM ACPI and cpufreqd modes and settings and such |
| 12:47.58 | earthian | and #dosemu is kinda empty :( |
| 12:48.04 | enouf | hjb: yes i have |
| 12:48.05 | RaceCondition | \amethyst: so your'se saying I'm trying to achieve the impossible? |
| 12:48.06 | hjb | enouf how does it behaves? |
| 12:48.14 | enouf | hjb: very well |
| 12:48.15 | Lagbolt | earthian, check this out http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/linux/dosemudebian.html |
| 12:48.21 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: you could get around it with a binary setuid wrapper script, maybe |
| 12:48.31 | hjb | enouf, i mean, is it split into two phases? How does the output look like? |
| 12:48.32 | earthian | thanks Lagbolt ! |
| 12:48.41 | RaceCondition | \amethyst: yeah, I thought about that already.. will try |
| 12:48.41 | enouf | hjb: i didn't save logs or anything .. hrm, one second |
| 12:48.49 | Lagbolt | no prob, let me know if it helps. i dont have much experience with dosemu but i can try to hlp |
| 12:48.54 | abrotman | can't you 'compile' ruby? |
| 12:49.12 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: err, sorry, wrapper *binary*. setuid scripts don't work, as I mentioned |
| 12:49.14 | RaceCondition | abrotman: not really |
| 12:49.27 | abrotman | come on .. you can even compile php .. |
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| 12:49.45 | RaceCondition | \amethust: so does setuid/setgid work with binaries, right? |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:49.50 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: yes |
| 12:49.53 | \amethyst | you could use JRuby + a JVM |
| 12:49.54 | RaceCondition | good |
| 12:50.25 | \amethyst | it wouldn't help, I guess, since Java bytecode is still a 'script', since it's not executed directly by the kernel |
| 12:50.50 | \amethyst | (for values of 'directly') |
| 12:50.58 | abrotman | http://www.erikveen.dds.nl/rubyscript2exe/ |
| 12:50.59 | RaceCondition | \amethyst: I think we'll go with the binary wrapper option.. unless someone comes up with something better |
| 12:51.01 | abrotman | see .. ruby compiled! |
| 12:51.41 | \amethyst | abrotman: it's not really a compiler though |
| 12:51.49 | abrotman | \amethyst: let me have my dreams |
| 12:52.00 | abrotman | use a real language like ada! |
| 12:52.05 | enouf | hjb: can't find any logs .. but IIRC, there is no real output, just some sort of a passed verification notice once done |
| 12:52.32 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: just wondering... |
| 12:52.34 | enouf | hjb: i even forget now if it ejects the media or not prior to verifying |
| 12:52.39 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: why must the script not be readable? |
| 12:52.42 | abrotman | \ |
| 12:52.46 | \amethyst | does it contain passwords or something? |
| 12:52.50 | abrotman | \amethyst: they don't want to share |
| 12:52.53 | RaceCondition | \amethust: we don't want the customer to see the tools' source |
| 12:53.00 | hjb | enouf i'll test it if i find some time |
| 12:53.04 | enouf | hjb: but i always have and will not hesitate to use the /usr/bin/eject option to open or close the tray ;-) |
| 12:53.07 | abrotman | you'd think you'd consider this when choosing a language to write your tools in |
| 12:53.14 | \amethyst | RaceCondition: the customer is running the tool on your machines? |
| 12:53.21 | RaceCondition | \amethyst: yes |
| 12:53.24 | hjb | enouf :-) |
| 12:53.29 | enouf | hjb: i've been just burning cd ISOs very lately, not many DVDs |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | RaceCondition: just ask them not to read them :) |
| 12:53.40 | RaceCondition | lol |
| 12:53.41 | RaceCondition | good idea |
| 12:53.54 | abrotman | "Hey man, if you could like .. not actually read the file, that'd be cool" |
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| 12:54.18 | RaceCondition | I wish Microsoft would be that kind with WIndows' source |
| 12:54.18 | hjb | enouf i haven't burned much lately. That's also why i have forgotten how to use growisofs and fired up k3b :-) |
| 12:54.36 | hjb | enouf which seems to be a failure, afterwards :-D |
| 12:55.08 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 12:56.03 | enouf | hjb: heh |
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| 12:56.28 | enouf | Nyle: so .. i'm "happy" ;-) |
| 12:56.38 | Nyle | according to debstats :) |
| 12:56.54 | enouf | saw it - just like an hour ago :-p |
| 12:57.10 | enouf | almost rolled off my scroll limit |
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| 12:58.12 | enouf | and we all know how you inflate the line count with your many <Enter>s .. but it's cool - good MORNING VIETNAM!!!! |
| 12:58.20 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:58.20 | AssociateX | Yippy! |
| 12:58.38 | scorphus___work | hi there, what package offers arial, verdana and other fonts used in a win32 app? |
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| 12:59.09 | vi390 | seems that I have set the spindown for a SATA drive to (hdparm -s 1 -S 1 ) and now the drive is not coming up again. How can I set the value somehow, Its not even recognized by the SATA controller |
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| 13:00.56 | Nyle | enouf, I don't infale, thats how I type |
| 13:01.19 | Nyle | I can't think of something on one line... I'm very scatter brained and my thoughts are all over the place |
| 13:01.22 | enouf | Nyle: we still love you ;-) |
| 13:01.32 | Nyle | AwesomeGuy, thank you! |
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| 13:01.52 | Nyle | AssociateX, how'd the KDE debian working for ya? |
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| 13:02.21 | enouf | visik7: sdparm --command=start ? |
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| 13:02.30 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:02.35 | Nyle | er.. |
| 13:02.35 | visik7 | enouf: sorry ? |
| 13:02.37 | enouf | visik7: hdparm on sata? wtf? |
| 13:02.40 | Nyle | AwesomeGuy, didn't mean to hilight you |
| 13:02.44 | visik7 | enouf: sorry ???? |
| 13:02.45 | Nyle | enouf, awesome, thank you! |
| 13:03.11 | ootput | are there any bots in this channel that can list packages by version? |
| 13:03.17 | ootput | or what's 'stable' atm? |
| 13:03.17 | AssociateX | I down loaded debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso and every kernel had a bad md5(?) checksum so I borked my Gentoo install and cant install Debian with the install cd that I have... man, now that's funny stuff. I'm going to try the network install this time. |
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| 13:03.28 | visik7 | enouf: I don't understand how do you know about my problems with disk ? |
| 13:03.32 | visik7 | enouf: ????? |
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| 13:03.47 | Nyle | Psychic. |
| 13:03.51 | rhineheart_m | do you recommend here webmin? |
| 13:03.58 | Nyle | no |
| 13:04.02 | Nyle | and here is why |
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| 13:04.05 | Nyle | !webmin |
| 13:04.05 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 13:04.08 | enouf | visik7: i guess it might depend on whether or not you;re using libata, and/or an adapter from a PATA<>SATA , and/or the controller, and or which MODE the BIOS is set to |
| 13:04.16 | zyx386 | hi |
| 13:04.26 | enouf | visik7: i'm sorry |
| 13:04.28 | visik7 | enouf: I've don't paste any problem |
| 13:04.38 | enouf | visik7: i had the wrong nick :-( |
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| 13:05.07 | enouf | vi390: i meant last lines from me - to you , not visik7 |
| 13:05.29 | jetscreamer | he needs to use root=UUID= |
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| 13:05.48 | zyx386 | i have this error http://paste.debian.net/1467/ |
| 13:05.50 | ootput | which kernel should i use for a core2duo cpu? (e6650) |
| 13:05.52 | jetscreamer | in menu.lst and UUID= in fstab |
| 13:05.56 | jetscreamer | 686 |
| 13:06.03 | enouf | visik7: can you repost your info - i missed it ,, .. or .. |
| 13:06.07 | jetscreamer | amd64 rather |
| 13:06.11 | themill | ootput: you can use dpkg: /msg dpkg info packagename etch or alternatively, look on packages.debian.org |
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| 13:06.17 | visik7 | enouf: no I've not post them |
| 13:06.22 | novato_br | hi |
| 13:06.24 | rhineheart_m | this was the reason: It should be blindingly obvious that these packages are not really being maintained anymore. BUT I GUESS THE CASE SHOULD BE REVIEWED AGAIN SINCE IT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED BY THE DEVELOPER ALREADY. |
| 13:06.28 | themill | !ofx about root |
| 13:06.31 | enouf | visik7: ok - apologies again then |
| 13:06.35 | ootput | would it be em64t-p4-smp? |
| 13:06.46 | jetscreamer | no |
| 13:06.49 | jetscreamer | it would not |
| 13:06.54 | visik7 | enouf: no problem, I was just scared :) |
| 13:06.55 | novato_br | did you see that: "Insulting source code" debian bug? |
| 13:06.56 | themill | ootput: -686 or -amd64 |
| 13:07.01 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 13:07.02 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 13:07.21 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 13:07.24 | vi390 | emouf: hdparm on sata, because in the manual => several of the options are also valid (and permitted) |
| 13:07.24 | vi390 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:07.30 | enouf | visik7: hehe |
| 13:07.43 | visik7 | 'couse I've strange problem with my disk |
| 13:07.51 | enouf | !comfort visik7 |
| 13:07.52 | dpkg | There, there, visik7. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:07.55 | visik7 | enouf: can you give a look at it ? |
| 13:07.58 | rhineheart_m | how about ISPConfig? |
| 13:08.01 | zyx386 | everyne can help? |
| 13:08.04 | ootput | jetscreamer, themill: the official page points to a howto that specifies 5 different kernels |
| 13:08.04 | enouf | visik7: at what? |
| 13:08.19 | themill | ootput: what official page? |
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| 13:08.21 | ootput | jetscreamer, themill: with em64t-p4-smp being one of them |
| 13:08.35 | enouf | visik7: yes, some are, most not valid |
| 13:08.44 | FordCortina | im having serious problems getting Protege to work on debian |
| 13:08.54 | FordCortina | it just loads up with blank windows |
| 13:08.58 | ootput | themill: under documentation on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64 |
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| 13:09.06 | FordCortina | anybody else had this problem? |
| 13:09.24 | jetscreamer | yes the entire channel does |
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| 13:09.36 | jetscreamer | except me |
| 13:09.55 | vi390 | enouf: you posted some things to the wrong nick I have seen... |
| 13:10.04 | streuner | Someone found a solution for hplip (unstable)? |
| 13:10.05 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 13:10.09 | visik7 | enouf: here it is http://dpaste.com/46685/ |
| 13:10.12 | themill | ootput: there's no list of kernels on that page. Can you please post the actual URL not a page that links to a page that links to another page that mentions something about kernels... |
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| 13:10.17 | vi390 | enouf: could you repeat some |
| 13:10.18 | zyx386 | !:) ? |
| 13:10.18 | dpkg | oh, so nice to see you smile! |
| 13:10.32 | jetscreamer | !lastlog |
| 13:10.32 | dpkg | /lastlog <searchterm> |
| 13:10.35 | enouf | vi390: what's hdparm -C /dev/name say now |
| 13:10.42 | generic | hey am stuck in gosa |
| 13:10.44 | ootput | themill: I did not do that at all. http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292924 |
| 13:10.45 | generic | the schemas |
| 13:10.49 | jetscreamer | !tell vi390 -about lastlog |
| 13:10.54 | generic | any idea how i get gosa.schema |
| 13:11.07 | themill | ootput: thanks that better. You need to make things easy for us! |
| 13:11.08 | enouf | vi390: likely not relevant now - (my past posts) |
| 13:11.22 | enouf | visik7: looking |
| 13:11.39 | ootput | themill: I was under the impression that you guys were knowledgeable |
| 13:11.41 | ootput | :) |
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| 13:11.55 | vi390 | enouf: gonna check lastlog |
| 13:11.59 | streuner | !dugs 477573 |
| 13:12.01 | jetscreamer | he knows nothing... NOTHING! |
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| 13:12.04 | streuner | !dbugs 477573 |
| 13:12.07 | dpkg | #477573:I[hplip] hplip not installable due to hplip-data version mismatch; Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:06:01 UTC |
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| 13:12.15 | themill | ootput: that document is quite old. It applies to Sarge not etch. |
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| 13:12.20 | jetscreamer | --force-all comes to mind |
| 13:12.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hi |
| 13:12.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer, bye |
| 13:12.38 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 13:12.41 | Nyle | off to work |
| 13:12.43 | ootput | themill: yeah, i asked that question when i first joined this channel today |
| 13:12.47 | jetscreamer | me too soon |
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| 13:13.09 | jetscreamer | comp8ile from source!!! |
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| 13:13.19 | jetscreamer | errrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 13:13.22 | enouf | visik7: is that after coming out of a suspend or hibernation mode? |
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| 13:13.32 | enouf | visik7: and are you running ubuntu? |
| 13:13.55 | enouf | Nyle: have a good day man |
| 13:14.12 | streuner | jetscramer: --force-all isnt an option in apt-get |
| 13:14.29 | peleg | how can I set an environmental variable constantly? |
| 13:15.18 | themill | ootput: BTW changing your nick between questions doesn't help those of us who aren't looking carefully. AMD64 is now a part of the regular archive. The release notes and install guide for etch are what you need. /msg dpkg ig |
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| 13:15.51 | enouf | PSI-Klops: globally? likely /etc/environment |
| 13:15.55 | enouf | gah |
| 13:16.03 | enouf | peleg: globally? likely /etc/environment |
| 13:16.04 | themill | peleg: set it in /etc/environment if you want if for all users, otherwise ~/.bashrc |
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| 13:16.17 | enouf | !win me |
| 13:16.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:16.24 | enouf | blushes |
| 13:16.25 | themill | enouf: tab completion just isn't working for you today, is it? |
| 13:16.33 | enouf | not at friggin all man .. |
| 13:16.41 | peleg | themill: thanks! |
| 13:16.45 | enouf | !blame abrotman |
| 13:16.46 | dpkg | blames brick_redux and abrotman for all the evil in the world |
| 13:16.50 | ootput | themill: my comment under my previous nick was unaddressed, so i abandoned it. :) I will read the documentation more closely. Thanks |
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| 13:17.59 | enouf | ootput: if nobody mentioned - that's old info |
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| 13:18.19 | enouf | !dbse |
| 13:18.19 | dpkg | well, dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r0) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 13:18.28 | peleg | themill: should I relogin somehow after I edit ~/.bashrc ? |
| 13:18.29 | enouf | ootput: see that last url there |
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| 13:19.37 | enouf | do ". .bashrc" .. but really do export VAR=variable in your shell |
| 13:19.59 | enouf | goes off for a whilw |
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| 13:20.35 | ootput | enouf: thankyou |
| 13:20.46 | themill | dpkg dbse =~ s/4.0r0/4.0r3/ |
| 13:20.52 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 13:23.07 | ootput | i can't use this dpkg bot at all. How do i request current versions of packages in stable repo? |
| 13:23.15 | ootput | I tried simply /msg dpkg info linux-image |
| 13:23.29 | ootput | and kernel-image.. though I assume those atoms are wrong in the first place |
| 13:23.35 | themill | ootput: it would be easier to use packages.debian.org for that. |
| 13:23.37 | streuner | that's not the correct package name... |
| 13:23.43 | streuner | !search |
| 13:23.43 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 13:23.43 | ootput | streuner: hehe i figured as much |
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| 13:24.08 | themill | !info linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 etch |
| 13:24.12 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64: (Linux 2.6.18 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 16520 kB, Installed size: 66048 kB |
| 13:25.11 | ootput | thanks guys |
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| 13:27.17 | doki_pen | I'm having trouble getting a GeForce 6200 working on lenny with the nvidia module |
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| 13:27.38 | doki_pen | When I try to load nvidia.ko it says No Such Device |
| 13:28.52 | LemensTS | USE="-ldap" emerge -av openssh (is this how i install without ldap?) |
| 13:29.04 | doki_pen | LemensTS: lol |
| 13:29.06 | abrotman | isn't 6xxx legacy? |
| 13:29.10 | doki_pen | LemensTS: that's Gentoo, no? |
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| 13:29.28 | LemensTS | lol oh crap i clicked on the wrong room in my favorites |
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| 13:29.35 | LemensTS | im used to coming to debian |
| 13:30.13 | abrotman | because debian is betterer! |
| 13:30.45 | LemensTS | Its alot easier for me at least |
| 13:30.58 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:30.58 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
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| 13:31.40 | abrotman | !tell andeghost about root |
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| 13:34.49 | ootput | Lagbolt: wrong channel :) |
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| 13:36.11 | Sweetandy | What's the sshd package? |
| 13:36.28 | Lagbolt | ootput, what? |
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| 13:36.43 | ootput | themill: why is it that !find linux-image produces output containing *-2.6.24-* kernels, when you've obtained info on *-2.6.18-*? |
| 13:37.05 | themill | ootput: because by default it will search sid not etch. And 2.6.24 is in sid. |
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| 13:37.17 | ootput | can someone verify the kernel revision number for amd64 in etch? |
| 13:37.37 | ootput | themill: oh |
| 13:37.43 | themill | the package name will be linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 13:38.33 | themill | ootput: seriously, the website is easier for a lot of these things. http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 13:39.13 | ootput | oh right, i forgot that you mentioned it. sorry :) |
| 13:39.30 | themill | np |
| 13:40.03 | Jacob | How do I set the dpkg configuration at a low priority? |
| 13:40.28 | stew | Jacob: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 13:40.46 | abrotman | Does anyone know of a way to update the file magic? |
| 13:41.32 | abrotman | i'd rather not try to hack up the file, i figured there'd be something like update-file-magic or something, but there isn't |
| 13:42.15 | abrotman | *chirp* |
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| 13:43.15 | themill | !tell abrotman about ssb |
| 13:43.19 | themill | hides |
| 13:43.22 | abrotman | themill: we went over that! |
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| 13:44.06 | Sweetandy | hahaha, openssh-server, dur |
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| 13:44.26 | abrotman | themill: stupid build-depends .. python-all-dbg .. wtf |
| 13:44.34 | themill | eek? |
| 13:44.35 | abrotman | themill: maybe i can just do libmagic1 |
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| 13:44.57 | hjb | How can i find out the filename encoding of a file? |
| 13:44.57 | stew | !do libmagic1 |
| 13:44.57 | dpkg | refuses to do libmagic1 |
| 13:45.12 | abrotman | it was a real question! |
| 13:45.32 | abrotman | the libmagic1 in etch identifies excel 2000 files as word files .. which is kind of crappy for webmail |
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| 13:46.03 | stew | abrotman: this is the wrong channel for help with microsoft word :P |
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| 13:46.09 | abrotman | !smack stew |
| 13:46.09 | dpkg | smacks stew upside the head. |
| 13:46.10 | themill | abrotman: you can't just pull a new version of /usr/share/file/magic? (or put the extra entries in /etc/magic? |
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| 13:46.13 | et | hjb: you have to know, really |
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| 13:46.20 | madmac2501 | can i have two different versions of the same package installed simultaneously? |
| 13:46.32 | abrotman | themill: from where?! and my libmagic1 foo is nil, so hacking the file seems a bad idea |
| 13:46.32 | stew | madmac2501: no |
| 13:46.35 | hjb | et No way? That sucks. |
| 13:46.56 | et | hjb: it's the same with any encoding data |
| 13:47.07 | et | you can use heuristics, but you can never be sure |
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| 13:47.20 | madmac2501 | stew:thanks |
| 13:47.26 | hjb | et Hmm, sounds logical :) |
| 13:47.27 | abrotman | REALLY?! python-dbg-all .. why?! |
| 13:47.28 | et | hjb: if you're unsure about utf-8/latin1, you can try decoding utf-8, if that fails, it's latin1 - that works pretty good |
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| 13:47.56 | abrotman | annoints stew a DD and asks him why the hell i need python-dbg-all to build damn it |
| 13:48.12 | stew | abrotman: did you try google? |
| 13:48.12 | hjb | What's an "invalid encoding", then? |
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| 13:48.27 | abrotman | stew: google "why the hell i need python-dbg-all to build damn it" doesn't return much |
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| 13:48.36 | stew | abrotman: myabe without the quotes |
| 13:48.39 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:48.47 | abrotman | doesn't that seem like a possible bug? |
| 13:48.50 | hjb | hjb k3b tells me that some files coul not be added to my project because of there "invalid filename encoding" |
| 13:49.41 | et | utf-8 environment and latin1 filenames? |
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| 13:49.50 | abrotman | goes to ask #ubuntu :) |
| 13:50.07 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 13:50.25 | stew | i'd look at the source package except my internets seem to need reboot |
| 13:50.41 | abrotman | stew: your intarweb is working LOLOLO |
| 13:50.53 | AssociateX | is the netinstall pretty straight forward or is there anything that I should know before I start? |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | !ig |
| 13:50.59 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 13:51.20 | abrotman | gets the dumptruck to fix stew's intarweb |
| 13:51.21 | AssociateX | abrotman, thank you |
| 13:51.34 | stew | abrotman: there are too many trucks in the tubes already |
| 13:51.38 | abrotman | AssociateX: but yes, pretty straightforward unless you have abnormal installation requirements |
| 13:51.48 | abrotman | stew: too much mlb.tv i suspect :) |
| 13:51.51 | stew | seriously, i'm still waiting on the result of apt-get source |
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| 13:52.03 | AssociateX | abrotman, no, pretty normal setup here |
| 13:52.14 | abrotman | AssociateX: any newer/bizarre hardware? |
| 13:52.24 | AssociateX | abrotman, no |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | have at it! |
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| 13:52.47 | AssociateX | thank you, this is my second attempt at installing debian |
| 13:53.06 | abrotman | second? |
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| 13:53.08 | hjb | et I'm not sure what it was, but i've renamed them manually |
| 13:53.15 | stew | abrotman: file (4.20-8) unstable; urgency=low -- * Build a python-magic-dbg package |
| 13:53.16 | AssociateX | I down loaded debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso and every kernel had a bad md5(?) checksum so I borked my Gentoo install and cant install Debian with the install cd that I have... man, now that's funny stuff. I'm going to try the network install this time. |
| 13:53.19 | hjb | et Strange stuff, copied over from an old windows machine |
| 13:53.30 | AssociateX | abrotman, ^^^^ |
| 13:53.48 | AssociateX | ok ,bbl |
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| 13:54.28 | abrotman | stew: oh come on .. that seems a bit much |
| 13:55.10 | abrotman | can i just edit the builddeps and skip the dbg bit? |
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| 13:56.01 | stew | abrotman: yes, if you search for dbg in debian/rules you could ditch the dbg lines, and remove the package from control |
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| 13:56.25 | abrotman | yeah .. i figured as much .. i wonder what the implications are though |
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| 13:56.47 | abrotman | that's a pretty crappy build-dep |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | files 12 bugs |
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| 13:58.24 | madmac2501 | i a make a packet "x" in conflict with packet "y", i am also in conflict with "y" dependencies? |
| 13:58.42 | madmac2501 | if i make a...* |
| 13:58.53 | azeem | it's package, not packet |
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| 13:59.04 | madmac2501 | sorry for my english |
| 13:59.05 | azeem | madmac2501: and no |
| 13:59.31 | madmac2501 | thanks |
| 13:59.43 | abrotman | is guessing this whole experiment will fail badly |
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| 14:00.23 | themill | abrotman: magic is designed to be extensible so you shouldn't need to pull a new libmagic just to add new magic numbers, unless the format has changed, which I don't think it has. man 5 magic documents it; I think you could pull /usr/share/file/magic out of the sid package, diff them against your current one and see if there are extra entries you can use. e.g for xls files. And then put them into /etc/magic. |
| 14:00.23 | madmac2501 | how can i now which conflicts will have my package? |
| 14:00.44 | abrotman | themill: yeah .. read them .. |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | themill: the diff doesn't seem to contain much dealing with word or excel .. |
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| 14:02.43 | azeem | madmac2501: please rephrase your question |
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| 14:03.11 | themill | :( might not have been fixed then. Can you do the matching on extension rather than on magic numbers? Or do you have silly mac people sending extension-less files? |
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| 14:04.01 | abrotman | themill: no .. it's windows office, and horde/roundcube webmail (both exhibit the issue) |
| 14:04.12 | madmac2501 | azeem: i am doing a package, but i dont know which conflicts i will have with other packages when installing it |
| 14:04.18 | enouf | abrotman: cat /etc/magic.mime |
| 14:04.24 | azeem | madmac2501: why not? |
| 14:04.33 | themill | abrotman: they only use "file" to look at the file type? they can't be convinced to look at extensions? |
| 14:04.51 | madmac2501 | because maybe i forget one conflict |
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| 14:04.59 | abrotman | enouf: etch doesn't have |
| 14:05.05 | enouf | eww |
| 14:05.10 | azeem | madmac2501: usually, packages have no conflicts |
| 14:05.15 | abrotman | enouf: it's /usr/share/file/magic.mime |
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| 14:05.26 | enouf | has that too ;-) |
| 14:05.30 | azeem | madmac2501: if your package has an obvious conflict (say, it has /sbin/sendmail in it), then you need to handle it |
| 14:05.34 | abrotman | themill: horde maybe .. roundcube isn't as "advanced" |
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| 14:05.38 | abrotman | not many config options |
| 14:05.42 | madmac2501 | azeem: ok, thanks |
| 14:05.51 | themill | abrotman: ahh... time to get hacking at the source code... :) |
| 14:05.52 | azeem | madmac2501: if there are some hidden, obscure conflicts, you'll get a bug about it eventually once it's in the archive |
| 14:06.04 | abrotman | themill: shouldn't be this hard .. |
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| 14:06.15 | themill | abrotman: should it ever? |
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| 14:07.08 | abrotman | themill: probably doesn't help when this happens: |
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| 14:07.26 | abrotman | foo.xls: Microsoft Office Document |
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| 14:08.01 | themill | abrotman: the first few bytes of both excel and word files are the same, so magic is never going to be able to do it for you. |
| 14:08.21 | abrotman | themill: sure has a lot of damn entries in a magic file for not being able to do it |
| 14:08.26 | zyx386 | how can upgrade python to 2.5 in lenny? |
| 14:08.40 | abrotman | aptitude install python2.5 |
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| 14:09.53 | enouf | abrotman: looking at the changelog for sid's file http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/file/file_4.23-2/changelog see reference to /etc/magic.mime ? just create it? Mine is just two lines of comments (not what /usr/share/file/magic.mime contains) |
| 14:10.03 | zyx386 | i already installed, but if try to install on e program with python2.5 "you python version is 2.4!!" |
| 14:10.08 | zyx386 | abrotman, |
| 14:10.17 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. but if the detection isn't fixed ... it's irelevant |
| 14:10.19 | enouf | !dbugs 382057 |
| 14:10.22 | dpkg | DONE:#382057:W[file] libmagic1: Please have /etc/magic.mime; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:18:02 UTC |
| 14:10.28 | azeem | zyx386: which program? |
| 14:10.30 | abrotman | zyx386: yes .. that's the current default python .. you don't want to change it |
| 14:10.41 | azeem | zyx386: if that program needs python2.5, it should call that explicitelx |
| 14:10.42 | azeem | y |
| 14:10.49 | zyx386 | vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux |
| 14:10.54 | enouf | abrotman: it's easy to detect micropoop ;-) |
| 14:11.01 | rhineheart_m | how to change root password in mysql? |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | enouf: apparently not correctly |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | !forgot mysql root password |
| 14:11.18 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
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| 14:11.39 | enouf | abrotman: gah - well, i hate to be homogenized anyway |
| 14:11.40 | AwesomeGuy | how would I go about viewing the debian source code.. |
| 14:11.46 | azeem | !deb-src |
| 14:11.46 | dpkg | well, deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | enouf: heh |
| 14:11.56 | zyx386 | azeem, this program vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux |
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| 14:12.02 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 14:12.05 | azeem | zyx386: 16:08 < azeem> zyx386: if that program needs python2.5, it should call that explicitelx |
| 14:12.19 | AwesomeGuy | azeem, were you responding to me? |
| 14:12.20 | Haris1 | Nope, hd(8,0) doesn't work for sda1/sdb1 (md0, raid1) |
| 14:12.26 | azeem | AwesomeGuy: yes |
| 14:12.33 | stew | AwesomeGuy: yes |
| 14:12.33 | Haris1 | It still says invalid device |
| 14:12.45 | stew | Haris1: what is "it" and when does it say that? |
| 14:12.51 | Haris1 | invalid device requested |
| 14:13.09 | Haris1 | stew: grub, when grub menu loads and I choose the kernel version to boot with |
| 14:13.30 | stew | Haris1: put your menu.lst into a pastebin |
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| 14:13.45 | Haris1 | ok, I'll have to boot the box for that |
| 14:13.45 | zyx386 | azeem, http://pastebin.com/m15569d2d |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | enouf/themill: the file in lenny returns the same thing, so i guess i'm stuck |
| 14:14.45 | stew | zyx386: you'd need to recompile that package from source in order to depend on your version of python, or find one that is actually compiled for your system |
| 14:14.50 | AwesomeGuy | one time, I found my laptop that I haven't used in a while, and it had a really old version of debian |
| 14:15.20 | RichiH | is anyone aware of an automated method to check if all ssh keys on a system have passphrases? |
| 14:15.20 | stew | zyx386: or wait for the 2.5 version of the python pacakge to transition to testing, which should happen in a week or so |
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| 14:15.35 | Haris1 | that reminds me |
| 14:15.41 | zyx386 | stew, i already install 2.5 with lenny |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | zyx386: no, in a week or so, the default version in lenny will be 2.5 |
| 14:15.56 | stew | zyx386: i'm talking about the python package, not the python2.5 package |
| 14:15.56 | Haris1 | How the heck do I check which ssh key is against which IP in ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 14:16.21 | zyx386 | aha, sorry ok |
| 14:16.21 | stew | Haris1: you can't directly, what are you trying to do? |
| 14:16.23 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 14:16.27 | AwesomeGuy | wich one of these is the full CD? ftp://cdimage.debian.org/debian-iso/current/i386/iso-cd |
| 14:16.29 | enouf | abrotman: what should the mime say? application/x-msword-xls or something? |
| 14:16.38 | RichiH | Haris1: unless you specified a 'from' restriction, you can use it from all hosts |
| 14:16.39 | Blast_Hardcheese | The IP should be the first part of the line in known_hosts, iirc |
| 14:16.40 | Haris1 | stew: either delete it or cross check the key against what I have on another box |
| 14:16.43 | AwesomeGuy | I need the full CD for a computer that can't go on the internet right now |
| 14:16.45 | abrotman | enouf: something like application/ms-excel |
| 14:16.55 | Haris1 | RichiH: That actually went over me |
| 14:16.58 | RichiH | AwesomeGuy: you will need to burn several cds |
| 14:17.00 | stew | Haris1: "ssh-keygen -R entryname" to delete an entry |
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| 14:17.24 | AwesomeGuy | that's gay... |
| 14:17.25 | RichiH | Haris1: perhaps rephrase the question. stew and me seem to be confused over what you actually want to achieve |
| 14:17.31 | enouf | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/raw/995789 |
| 14:17.33 | AwesomeGuy | how big is the iso of each CD |
| 14:17.41 | abrotman | enouf: no workie |
| 14:17.54 | abrotman | enouf: this isn't excel 5.0 |
| 14:17.57 | RichiH | AwesomeGuy: gay is happy or a sexual preference. it is not something you use to specify something negative |
| 14:18.03 | enouf | oh b00h00 |
| 14:18.10 | Haris1 | RichiH: I have an IP I connect to from 2 different hosts. Recently the key changed so the ssh client keeps warning me about it. I need to cross reference the key against that which I have on the second box |
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| 14:18.14 | AwesomeGuy | it is in the real world. |
| 14:18.19 | enouf | runs off again |
| 14:18.24 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: not here, stop using it that way |
| 14:18.31 | stew | AwesomeGuy: don't use it as such here, its offensive to some |
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| 14:18.50 | RichiH | Haris1: the error message tells you which line the offending entry is in |
| 14:18.52 | stew | Haris1: you can remove the old key and accept the new key |
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| 14:18.58 | RichiH | Haris1: or do what stew suggested |
| 14:19.18 | stew | Haris1: if you are getting that warning with "ssh user@somehost" run "ssh-keygen -R somehost" to remove its entry |
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| 14:19.21 | RichiH | Haris1: myself, i need to learn to read. i thought you sais authorized_keys and answered the wrong question :p |
| 14:19.28 | Haris1 | stew: I'm not sure if that key is of that host or or a man in the middle |
| 14:19.51 | RichiH | Haris1: removing it does not hurt in either case |
| 14:20.02 | RichiH | Haris1: and if it were mitm, the damage would be done, already ;) |
| 14:20.03 | stew | Haris1: then you'll have to get someone to get the key to you over a secure medium |
| 14:20.05 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/995793 |
| 14:20.22 | abrotman | enouf: however .. the one from experimental seems to have a fair number of newer items added |
| 14:20.54 | azeem | zyx386: alternatively, python should be set to 2.5 by default in lenny over the next days/weeks |
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| 14:21.13 | Haris1 | now I'v tried to boot off the top most option with hd(9,0) and hd(8,0) |
| 14:21.14 | RichiH | heh, i like what dpkg has to say about 'gay' :p |
| 14:21.15 | zyx386 | ok, azeem thanx |
| 14:21.32 | stew | afaik the python 2.5 transition is good to go once the package ages |
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| 14:22.22 | netcrash | Hello , I'm trying to install spamassassin from backports on etch but no sucess with apt-get -t etch-backports install spamassassin |
| 14:22.23 | abrotman | it didn't get the 2-day treatment? |
| 14:22.33 | netcrash | any tips ? |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | netcrash: did you follow the instructions at backports.org ? |
| 14:22.45 | stew | no, its certainly not a high priority |
| 14:23.13 | stew | Haris1: does device.map contain a hd(9) entry? |
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| 14:24.25 | Haris1 | # cat grub/device.map |
| 14:24.25 | Haris1 | (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 14:24.25 | Haris1 | (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 14:25.26 | stew | Haris1: what do you expect hd(9,0) or hd(8,0) to map to? |
| 14:26.02 | themill | abrotman: changelog to that last upload of python-defaults makes interesting reading |
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| 14:27.07 | abrotman | themill: like .. has a good story? |
| 14:27.07 | abrotman | themill: does it talk about a pony? |
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| 14:27.12 | themill | abrotman: maintainer telling the release team that they fucked up the python transition |
| 14:27.18 | abrotman | cute |
| 14:27.20 | azeem | they didn't |
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| 14:27.21 | Haris1 | sda1 or sdb1 or md0 |
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| 14:27.49 | Haris1 | stew: teh 2.6.18 points at hd(0,0) |
| 14:27.53 | Haris1 | the+ |
| 14:27.59 | Haris1 | The+ |
| 14:28.00 | azeem | isn't it (hd0,0) rather? |
| 14:28.08 | Haris1 | they are both scsi hard drives |
| 14:28.22 | abrotman | themill: URL? |
| 14:28.24 | Haris1 | azeem: yes, hd0,0 |
| 14:28.34 | themill | abrotman: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python-defaults/news/20080417T190210Z.html |
| 14:28.37 | azeem | Haris1: why hd9 ? |
| 14:28.55 | Haris1 | azeem: Don't ask me, that's waht the kernel told me when it was done being built |
| 14:29.02 | netcrash | abrotman: yes ... Actually forgot to update the sources.list, sorry |
| 14:29.02 | azeem | eh? |
| 14:29.04 | abrotman | themill: that's not bad |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | netcrash: that'll do it |
| 14:29.12 | themill | abrotman: actually, the whole change log is probably better: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/python-defaults/current/changelog |
| 14:29.16 | azeem | Haris1: please put that no a pastebin |
| 14:29.18 | Haris1 | i read the man page which said, scsi drives are 8,0 |
| 14:29.32 | Haris1 | azeem: I did -> http://pastebin.ca/995793 |
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| 14:30.10 | azeem | Haris1: that's not output from the kernel compile |
| 14:30.13 | stew | Haris1: if you are trying to point it at sdb1, that would be hd1,0 given your device.map |
| 14:30.18 | Haris1 | first partition for the first scsi drive should be 8,0 |
| 14:30.25 | azeem | Haris1: who said that? |
| 14:30.27 | Haris1 | azeem: ah, I don't have that atm. |
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| 14:30.43 | Haris1 | I'v rebooted the box and closed my ssh session a couple of times since then |
| 14:30.50 | azeem | 16:28 < azeem> Haris1: who said that? |
| 14:30.57 | Haris1 | who said what? |
| 14:30.59 | azeem | 16:27 < Haris1> first partition for the first scsi drive should be 8,0 |
| 14:31.07 | Haris1 | azeem: the man page |
| 14:31.11 | azeem | which man page? |
| 14:31.15 | Haris1 | man 4 sd |
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| 14:31.30 | azeem | and that manpage talks about grub devices? |
| 14:31.33 | stew | Haris1: that has nothing to do with grub |
| 14:31.56 | azeem | it's the Linux major device number |
| 14:31.57 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 14:32.03 | azeem | i.e. what is displayed by ls -l /dev/sd* |
| 14:32.03 | Haris1 | Yes! |
| 14:32.07 | Haris1 | isn't that what grub uses? |
| 14:32.10 | azeem | eh, no |
| 14:32.18 | azeem | why would it care about Linux device numbers? |
| 14:32.21 | Lagbolt | grub is cool like that lol |
| 14:32.27 | Haris1 | 4 a piece of sda and sdb |
| 14:32.30 | Haris1 | of=for |
| 14:32.59 | azeem | hda has major device number 3 |
| 14:33.07 | azeem | that doesn't mean grub thinks hda is hd3 |
| 14:33.14 | Haris1 | I se |
| 14:33.15 | Haris1 | e |
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| 14:33.27 | Haris1 | Ok, so how do I check what it needs? |
| 14:33.41 | stew | Haris1: you could read what i told you, or your device.map |
| 14:33.53 | Haris1 | stew: I did paste my device.map |
| 14:33.56 | stew | Haris1: yes |
| 14:34.00 | Lagbolt | yeah we saw that |
| 14:34.09 | Haris1 | so if sda is hd0 |
| 14:34.14 | Haris1 | hd0,0 should work? |
| 14:34.21 | Lagbolt | if you want sda1 |
| 14:34.21 | stew | Haris1: yes |
| 14:34.24 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 14:34.28 | Haris1 | I don't think it does |
| 14:34.35 | stew | Haris1: what kernel are you booted from now? |
| 14:34.41 | Haris1 | let me do a reboot and find out. I think I'v done this before |
| 14:34.45 | Haris1 | 2.6.18 |
| 14:34.52 | Haris1 | I'm going to try to boot with 2.6.25 |
| 14:34.53 | Lagbolt | Haris1, you could always use commandline grub |
| 14:34.54 | stew | Haris1: which uses hd0,0 sucessfully, right? |
| 14:34.58 | Lagbolt | it tab completes, you can try them all lol |
| 14:35.05 | Haris1 | stew: right! |
| 14:35.09 | twobitwork | pkg-config is complaining that I don't have glib-2.0, but I installed the libglib2.0-dev package... |
| 14:35.29 | stew | Haris1: i dont' see why it wouldn't also work for other kernels from the same MBR then |
| 14:35.35 | twobitwork | do the -dev packages not register themselves with pkg-config? |
| 14:35.47 | Haris1 | ok |
| 14:35.52 | stew | twobitwork: what are you compiling? |
| 14:35.54 | Haris1 | I just found a disk io error on sda |
| 14:35.55 | Lagbolt | woah, so same device diff kern no worky? what is the error? |
| 14:35.58 | twobitwork | stew: gnome-terminal |
| 14:36.04 | Haris1 | at some remote sector for which it was just kicked out of the raid array |
| 14:36.05 | stew | twobitwork: apt-get build-dep gnome-terminal |
| 14:36.08 | Haris1 | DAMNED! |
| 14:36.09 | twobitwork | stew: from the debian source pkg |
| 14:36.19 | Haris1 | it got kicked out again, now I'll have to rebuilt it |
| 14:36.23 | Haris1 | rebuild+ |
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| 14:36.42 | Killaklown | hello.... i have a small question... |
| 14:36.47 | Lagbolt | sup Killaklown |
| 14:36.51 | twobitwork | ahh, thanks |
| 14:36.54 | brakkvatn | Hey how many CDs (40r3) do I need to download? |
| 14:36.56 | Lagbolt | i'm down with da klown |
| 14:37.00 | iateadonut | 1 |
| 14:37.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | 0 |
| 14:37.06 | Lagbolt | brakkvatn, to what end? |
| 14:37.07 | brakkvatn | I have internet on the target machine |
| 14:37.07 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 14:37.10 | iateadonut | or zero. |
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| 14:37.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | Technically you don't _need_ to do anything. |
| 14:37.26 | themill | !netinst |
| 14:37.26 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 14:37.40 | twobitwork | !tell Killaklown about ask |
| 14:37.42 | Lagbolt | ooo dialup install |
| 14:37.42 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 14:37.46 | brakkvatn | play tjamls |
| 14:37.47 | Killaklown | if i install debian "testing" and keep my apt repositories with the "testing " release name will i have then somewhat of a rolling release distro like "arch linux" so every time i update and upgrade i will have the latest?? |
| 14:37.48 | brakkvatn | okay thanks |
| 14:38.15 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, you will have latest testing releases |
| 14:38.50 | Haris1 | I for got the syntax : |
| 14:38.54 | Haris1 | :| |
| 14:38.55 | Lagbolt | there is no "official" testing release |
| 14:39.04 | twobitwork | Killaklown: yes, testing is sort of "rolling", i.e., there are no real big releases... packages are updated as soon as thier dependancies are worked out, etc |
| 14:39.28 | stew | Lagbolt: sure there is |
| 14:39.37 | Lagbolt | stew, how is there a testing release? |
| 14:39.46 | Haris1 | # mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda1 |
| 14:39.49 | Haris1 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy |
| 14:39.49 | halflife08 | Killaklown: sometime down this year , testing will be frozen and there will no updates till the release of lenny is done |
| 14:39.49 | Killaklown | so for example when ubuntu relases its new releases i will never have to reinstall debian so to speak... once i install and i have the testing release i can use the forever without reinstalling |
| 14:39.50 | Lagbolt | stuff moves into testing . . . |
| 14:39.51 | Haris1 | ? |
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| 14:40.01 | Killaklown | ohhh |
| 14:40.02 | Killaklown | i see |
| 14:40.07 | twobitwork | well... eventually testing is frozen occasionally to prepare for a stable release, but then testing keeps on rolling like usual |
| 14:40.16 | Lagbolt | lol ok technicallity |
| 14:40.20 | AwesomeGuy | is that page about lesbian debian a joke or real? |
| 14:40.25 | stew | Lagbolt: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release and http://debian.org/releases seen to think there is a testing release |
| 14:40.29 | Haris1 | How do I get aruond this? |
| 14:40.30 | stew | AwesomeGuy: a joke |
| 14:40.57 | AwesomeGuy | oh |
| 14:41.14 | Lagbolt | not a release in the sense of stable tho. you get new versions not just security updates |
| 14:41.41 | Haris1 | ? |
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| 14:42.34 | halflife08 | Killaklown:http://www.debian.org/releases/ you are better off reading that page |
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| 14:42.45 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, reinstalling? |
| 14:42.48 | Lagbolt | you reinstall? |
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| 14:44.04 | abrotman | Lagbolt: sometimes when you get new hardware! |
| 14:44.22 | Lagbolt | abrotman, i dont think that was the implication . . . |
| 14:44.24 | abrotman | or rather .. a whole new machine |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | Lagbolt: i know |
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| 14:44.28 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 14:44.51 | Lagbolt | i just transplant or copy mine to the new machine |
| 14:45.08 | Haris1 | How can I get around this -> # mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
| 14:45.08 | Haris1 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy |
| 14:45.28 | Lagbolt | i love moving my harddrive to a new machine booting and it coming up no probs :) |
| 14:45.28 | abrotman | unmount /dev/sda1 |
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| 14:45.36 | Haris1 | its not mounted |
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| 14:45.45 | Lagbolt | Haris1, it must be doing something |
| 14:45.45 | abrotman | Lagbolt: yeah .. that is nice .. but for things like laptops, not as practical :) |
| 14:45.57 | spx2 | how should I partition a 500GB hdd ? |
| 14:46.02 | Haris1 | yea, it just got kicked out of an raid1 array for something :p |
| 14:46.25 | Killaklown | all i want to know is if i install debian testing, will i have to keep reinstalling every time a new release comes out like ubuntu.. it is it more of a rolling release like arch |
| 14:46.30 | Haris1 | how can a device be busy if its not mounted? |
| 14:46.33 | Lagbolt | :) yeah i guess. it is fun to install a fresh on a new laptop |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | Killaklown: no, and you don't have to do that with ubuntu either |
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| 14:46.51 | Killaklown | k |
| 14:46.58 | abrotman | Killaklown: testing is a rolling version, |
| 14:46.59 | Killaklown | thanks |
| 14:47.03 | Killaklown | i see |
| 14:47.11 | Ryan52 | Is there any way to make a ssh key only authorized if it comes from a certain ip address range? |
| 14:47.16 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, you used ubuntu and reinstalled instead of upgrading? |
| 14:47.16 | Killaklown | so once i apt-update i will forever have the latest? |
| 14:47.20 | Killaklown | yeah |
| 14:47.27 | Killaklown | i find that upgrading is not so good |
| 14:47.32 | halflife08 | Haris1: can you give the output of /proc/scsi/scsi on pastebin |
| 14:47.33 | stew | Killaklown: you'd only have to reinstall if you want to go BACKWARDS a release, like to go from one to the previous one |
| 14:47.37 | spx2 | how should I partition a 500GB hdd ? |
| 14:47.42 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, were you upgrading soon as a release was put out? |
| 14:47.51 | yo_linux | Haris1, was it part of a different raid? you have to remove it first. |
| 14:47.51 | Killaklown | basically ... lol |
| 14:47.54 | Lagbolt | sometimes to your benifit to wait a couple weeks for kinks to work out |
| 14:47.58 | spx2 | do I get any advantages on a partitioning scheme over another ? |
| 14:48.01 | Killaklown | k |
| 14:48.08 | Lagbolt | at least in ubuntu lol |
| 14:48.16 | Haris1 | yo_linux: Nope, only 1 raid1 array and it was just kicked out of it because of io error to one sector |
| 14:48.32 | Haris1 | How can I get around I/O errors so it doesn't keep getting kicked out of the array? |
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| 14:48.54 | samtc | hi |
| 14:48.55 | stew | Haris1: replace the faulty hardware |
| 14:49.04 | yo_linux | Haris1, replace it? |
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| 14:49.28 | Haris1 | easier said than done :p scsi is not cheap. no other way? |
| 14:49.31 | samtc | I'm trying to install postgresql-8.3 on unstable, but there is no /etc/postgresql and nothing happen when i'm trying to start postgresql |
| 14:49.37 | samtc | any idea? |
| 14:49.41 | Haris1 | Ok, I booted off of hd0,0 on 2.6.25 |
| 14:49.44 | Lagbolt | Haris1, get non scsi :) |
| 14:49.46 | Haris1 | and got a kernel panic message |
| 14:49.53 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: damned! no! |
| 14:49.55 | stew | samtc: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 14:50.35 | Lagbolt | Haris1, good old scsi lol |
| 14:50.56 | Haris1 | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 14:51.31 | Haris1 | It give me list of all partitions from ram0 - ram15 |
| 14:51.32 | Lagbolt | Haris1, you using packaged kern or did you compile it? |
| 14:51.36 | Haris1 | before that |
| 14:51.40 | samtc | stew: same problem |
| 14:51.45 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: I built it from hand |
| 14:51.53 | Lagbolt | Haris1, maybe you left something out :) |
| 14:52.02 | Haris1 | I added all possible fs types into it |
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| 14:52.10 | Haris1 | Its unlikely to have left out ext3 |
| 14:52.22 | Lagbolt | what about scsi drivers |
| 14:52.34 | spx2 | how should I partition a 500GB hdd ? |
| 14:52.40 | H2OyJaBoN | hi |
| 14:52.43 | Haris1 | hmm, that shouldn't be. I checked all scsi drivers. Maybe that's it |
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| 14:52.57 | H2OyJaBoN | how can i know what module is used by one device? |
| 14:53.02 | Haris1 | I'll open make menuconfig in a while and confirm |
| 14:53.19 | stew | samtc: it look like you can get the originals from /usr/share/postgresql/8.3/*sample |
| 14:53.25 | Lagbolt | Haris1, how did you configure it? |
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| 14:53.35 | Haris1 | make menuconfig |
| 14:53.37 | Lagbolt | did you go in and take stuff out? |
| 14:53.46 | Lagbolt | or did you make oldconfig from a working kern |
| 14:53.56 | halflife08 | spx2: are you looking for help on what sizes the partitions should have or what command to run to partition? |
| 14:53.57 | Haris1 | Nope |
| 14:54.02 | Haris1 | just ran make menuconfig simple |
| 14:54.11 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 14:54.15 | spx2 | halflife08: I am already using fdisk and mkfs.ext2 to partition |
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| 14:54.20 | hoxu | stew, are you serious on that bug #477454? :p |
| 14:54.20 | stew | Haris1: did you create an initrd for it? |
| 14:54.26 | spx2 | halflife08: I was looking for advice regarding the partitioning schemes |
| 14:54.35 | stew | hoxu: yes, why? |
| 14:54.44 | spx2 | halflife08: and also if possible on how to extend existing partitions with space from a new harddisk |
| 14:54.48 | Lagbolt | Haris1, yeah, did you make make install this bad boy or use make-kpkg? |
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| 14:55.01 | stew | hoxu: i see no justification for it being RC, if that is what you mean |
| 14:55.17 | halflife08 | spx2: what is the system going to be used for ? is it a server/desktop or what ? |
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| 14:55.36 | spx2 | halflife08: server |
| 14:55.45 | halflife08 | spx2: what kind of server |
| 14:55.53 | spx2 | halflife08: a home server... |
| 14:56.08 | spx2 | halflife08: not a particular reason for using it...just a mix of reasons |
| 14:56.14 | spx2 | halflife08: storage,running programs,backup... |
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| 14:56.41 | Lagbolt | anyone in here using b43 with a bcm 4311? and have it work on wpa enterprise? |
| 14:56.53 | halflife08 | spx2: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs03.html.en |
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| 14:57.30 | spx2 | halflife08: is it true that on ext3 the notion of "fragmentation" does not exist/(make sense)? or is that just a hoax/prank ? |
| 14:57.50 | halflife08 | spx2: i am not knowledgeable enough to answer that question |
| 14:57.59 | enouf | H2OyJaBoN: meant to be used, or is being used? |
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| 14:58.05 | twobitwork | spx2: you shouldn't get significant fragmentation on ext2/3 because of the way it lays things out |
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| 14:58.20 | meandrain | hello. I have a question: i get segmentation fault when i run some applications (for example nano). what can I do? I've tested hardware and is ok. can i fix it from package management? |
| 14:58.20 | twobitwork | spx2: also, ext2/3 will sort of defragment itself over time |
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| 14:59.00 | halflife08 | meandrain: hardware test included ram test as well ? |
| 14:59.40 | spx2 | twobitwork: how ? |
| 15:00.12 | H2OyJaBoN | enouf, being used =) |
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| 15:00.29 | twobitwork | spx2: well... because ext spreads new files all over the available space, as opposed to stacking them right next to each other like [V]FAT does |
| 15:00.32 | meandrain | halflife08: yes, i run a compilation of kernel |
| 15:00.47 | H2OyJaBoN | enouf, exactly I want to know what module is using my eth0...... |
| 15:00.56 | twobitwork | spx2: so, law of averages works out that when deleting and creating files over time it will stay relatively unfragmented |
| 15:01.08 | enouf | H2OyJaBoN: well, it's dependent upon the device really, but hwinfo is good for that -- it'll have a "modprobe <module>" for each device |
| 15:01.14 | Haris1 | stew: I did a make; make bzImage. I was told for thsi type of build, one doesn't need initrd |
| 15:01.30 | spx2 | twobitwork: I am not aware of any "law of averages",what does that say " |
| 15:01.34 | enouf | H2OyJaBoN: oh, ok - hrm .. dmesg shows mine - but, let me think a second |
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| 15:01.36 | spx2 | twobitwork: ? |
| 15:01.53 | Killaklown | would u guys recommend using debian or ubuntu? |
| 15:01.57 | Haris1 | its most probably scsi drivers |
| 15:02.00 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, are you serious? |
| 15:02.03 | Killaklown | lol |
| 15:02.03 | spx2 | Killaklown: use whatever you know better |
| 15:02.06 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, is this #ubuntu? |
| 15:02.09 | twobitwork | spx2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages |
| 15:02.09 | stew | Haris1: did you make changes to the config to include everything you need to mount root, like scsi drivers, filesystem drivers, raid drivers? (and by include i mean directly in (*) not as modules (M)) |
| 15:02.09 | Haris1 | sicne the root is set to /dev/md0 in grub config |
| 15:02.09 | Killaklown | lol |
| 15:02.15 | spx2 | Lagbolt: good question |
| 15:02.18 | Haris1 | and it can't mount root using any known fs |
| 15:02.21 | Lagbolt | lol no joke |
| 15:02.23 | Killaklown | sorry |
| 15:02.30 | enouf | H2OyJaBoN: $ udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/eth0 | grep -i drivers |
| 15:02.31 | hoxu | stew, dunno, I'd think the ftp-masters could see a problem distributing something that may get you into legal trouble... but anyway, that bug is kinda famous now, even outside debian circles :) |
| 15:02.36 | Haris1 | stew: I think many went in (M) |
| 15:02.42 | Killaklown | u guys are serious about debian .. i didnt realize how serious |
| 15:02.44 | Killaklown | sorry |
| 15:02.48 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:02.53 | twobitwork | Killaklown: nah, just smart asses |
| 15:03.00 | stew | Haris1: then you need an initrd |
| 15:03.03 | Lagbolt | Killaklown, if we werent serious would we be on IRC all night long lol |
| 15:03.04 | Killaklown | k |
| 15:03.07 | enouf | H2OyJaBoN: you'll notice that driver also appears amongst this output ~$ lshal | grep driver |
| 15:03.09 | Lagbolt | oh wait |
| 15:03.12 | twobitwork | Killaklown: some people forget that IRC is a poor venue for humour and sarcasm |
| 15:03.13 | Lagbolt | :-p |
| 15:03.15 | spx2 | twobitwork: thanks I'll take a look |
| 15:03.27 | Killaklown | oh |
| 15:03.36 | Haris1 | stew: How do I make one |
| 15:03.36 | Killaklown | ok just dont wanna rock the boat so to speak |
| 15:03.49 | Killaklown | all of u use debian? |
| 15:03.54 | Killaklown | strictly |
| 15:04.03 | Lagbolt | dude, as far as i am concerned use what ever you like. but i feel debian is #1 :) |
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| 15:04.14 | Killaklown | ok |
| 15:04.14 | AssociateX | Hello, I'm on knoppix right now and have chrooted into my shinny new debian install . The is my first day with Debian, how do I install bitchx or irssi? |
| 15:04.14 | Killaklown | me too |
| 15:04.16 | Haris1 | Killaklown needs to be muted |
| 15:04.23 | Lagbolt | i tried ubuntu out on my laptop back in the day but i found debian does exactly the same stuff |
| 15:04.27 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 15:04.28 | stew | AssociateX: aptitude install irssi |
| 15:04.34 | AssociateX | thanks |
| 15:04.50 | stew | Haris1: you SHOULD be using make-kpkg and passing it the --initrd option so that one is automatically created when you install the resouting kernel .deb. since you didn't do that, use mkinitramfs |
| 15:04.52 | Killaklown | haris1 i'm not trying to be a smart ass ok.. just really curious |
| 15:05.02 | Lagbolt | hmmm other than a few bells and whistles and some pretty art ubuntu is just repackaged debian |
| 15:05.09 | Haris1 | stew: I tried this -> make-kpkg buildpackage --initrd /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25 <- it didn't work |
| 15:05.32 | Lagbolt | but i am at purdue so i have to use debian :) |
| 15:05.35 | AssociateX | stew, Couldn't find any package matching "irssi" |
| 15:05.43 | Haris1 | Killaklown: well I see someone daily at this very time |
| 15:05.44 | Lagbolt | i would feel like a traitor if i didnt |
| 15:05.45 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:05.47 | Haris1 | ..and I'm curious too |
| 15:05.53 | AssociateX | I must not have something set up correctly |
| 15:06.27 | stew | AssociateX: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 15:06.31 | twobitwork | AssociateX: check out: http://www.debian.org/doc/ and http://www.debian.org/support |
| 15:06.47 | AssociateX | thank you both |
| 15:07.20 | Haris1 | how do I use make-kpkg |
| 15:07.23 | Haris1 | I can't make sense of it\ |
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| 15:07.44 | Lagbolt | Haris1, do you just want a new initrd? |
| 15:07.46 | enouf | Haris1: /msh dpkg kp mantra |
| 15:07.51 | Lagbolt | use mkinitramfs :) |
| 15:07.58 | H2OyJaBoN | enouf, thank's it's really that i need :) .. other question , what does lshal say me? |
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| 15:08.23 | Ryan52 | If I want to create an lvm snapshot (before I do something that could potentially destroy my server), how do I put it back? I figured out how to make the snapshot but if something goes wrong I dont know what to do. |
| 15:08.50 | enouf | H2OyJaBoN: i don't understand? try lshal | less ..it shows what your Hardware Abstraction Layer sees (HAL) |
| 15:08.50 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: yes, one new for 2.6.25 |
| 15:08.57 | twobitwork | Ryan52: how did you make the snapshot? |
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| 15:09.11 | hoxu | Ryan52, use LVM2 so you get rw snapshots, then test whatever you plan on the snapshot instead of the real partition |
| 15:09.11 | Lagbolt | just man mkinitramfs |
| 15:09.15 | Ryan52 | lvcreate -l 500 -s -n snap /dev/cgpro/prod |
| 15:09.27 | H2OyJaBoN | enouf, ahh ok right :). thanks for the info |
| 15:09.35 | enouf | np |
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| 15:09.46 | Ryan52 | its xen though so that would create downtime... |
| 15:09.54 | Ryan52 | cause I would have to restart the server. |
| 15:10.02 | Ryan52 | and want the least downtime possible |
| 15:10.08 | Lagbolt | Haris1, something like this . . . mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-1-686 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 15:10.10 | Haris1 | fakeroot? |
| 15:10.18 | Lagbolt | fakeroot? |
| 15:10.21 | Lagbolt | dude what are you reading? |
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| 15:10.23 | twobitwork | fakeroot? |
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| 15:10.33 | Haris1 | -> /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 15:10.46 | gonzaloaf | java |
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| 15:12.04 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 15:12.11 | Haris1 | it says it can't find /lib/modules/version |
| 15:12.12 | enouf | Haris1: the mantra is to make-kpkg |
| 15:12.22 | enouf | not mkinitramfs |
| 15:12.25 | Haris1 | that's mkinitramfs |
| 15:12.37 | Haris1 | enouf: I can't understand the last command |
| 15:12.41 | enouf | Haris1: try to be clear about which command you're running |
| 15:12.43 | Haris1 | fakeroot? modules_image? |
| 15:12.57 | Haris1 | make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image |
| 15:13.13 | enouf | fakeroot is used when running make-kpkg and other things |
| 15:13.17 | gonzaloaf | hi, why is necessary install jdk5 in order to install netbeans 6? |
| 15:13.22 | Haris1 | is it /dev/md0 ? |
| 15:13.25 | Haris1 | the root? |
| 15:13.41 | enouf | Haris1: fakeroot is a binary, a utility |
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| 15:14.09 | Haris1 | how about the kernel_image? its the path to the new kernel? |
| 15:14.09 | Lagbolt | dude Haris1 . . . have you compiled a kernel before? or is this first time? |
| 15:14.16 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: not in a long time |
| 15:14.36 | enouf | Haris1: the command gets run as shown Haris1 - though some tweaking can be done, such as to name |
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| 15:15.04 | chris062689 | Hello. |
| 15:15.14 | enouf | man make-kpkg if you want to know what kernel_image means |
| 15:15.14 | Lagbolt | hi chris062689 |
| 15:15.18 | themill | gonzaloaf: the package netbeans-platform? |
| 15:15.25 | chris062689 | What are the minimum requirements for Debian XFCE? I have a HP a305w and Xubuntu is quite slow on even it. |
| 15:15.26 | enouf | make-kpkg --help and --targets |
| 15:15.27 | fugit | Running into a problem with multipath and udev where one of the scsi devices (sdd) getting recognized as usb ( sdd:<6>usb 6-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2) wasn't sure if making a rule to ignore sd was the right answere. Thanks for any info. |
| 15:15.27 | gonzaloaf | themill, the ide |
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| 15:15.43 | Haris1 | Now I'm getting somewhere |
| 15:15.45 | Ryan52 | How do I see what physical device a lvm group is on? |
| 15:15.54 | enouf | chris062689: how old, which CPU and how much RAM? |
| 15:15.57 | Haris1 | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value -> 20080424. |
| 15:15.57 | Haris1 | However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value -> 2.6.25-10.00.Custom. |
| 15:15.57 | Haris1 | I am confused by this discrepancy, and am halting. |
| 15:15.57 | Bushmills | chris062689: lots less than gnome |
| 15:16.05 | Bushmills | i.e lots less than ubuntu |
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| 15:16.11 | enouf | right Haris1 |
| 15:16.18 | chris062689 | It has 256 MB of Ram (It reports 240MB?) And I think it clocks in at like 1.6 =( |
| 15:16.19 | Haris1 | that;s when I run it in /usr/src/linux-2.6.25 |
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| 15:16.23 | chris062689 | If that |
| 15:16.24 | themill | gonzaloaf: Are you asking why it doesn't use a free java rather than the sun java? |
| 15:16.25 | Lagbolt | Haris1, make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-04232008 kernel_image <--- thats all i did when i built my last kern :) |
| 15:16.38 | enouf | now, Haris1 - backup your .config - did you already do make menuconfig? |
| 15:16.43 | AssociateX | stew, perfect, I have "aptitude update" running now... and it looks like it's working. Thanks a ton man. |
| 15:16.48 | Haris1 | enouf: Nope |
| 15:16.50 | cahoot | he needs a make clean |
| 15:16.53 | chris062689 | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00038821&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=348795 |
| 15:16.53 | gonzaloaf | themill, I'm asking why its dependency is not jdk6 instead 5 |
| 15:16.54 | stew | AssociateX: you're welcome |
| 15:17.08 | stew | Haris1: make-kpkg clean |
| 15:17.08 | chris062689 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.13 | chris062689 | 256 mb of ram. |
| 15:17.19 | chris062689 | Even Xubuntu runs slow as heck on it. |
| 15:17.22 | enouf | chris062689: well, i manage ok on this p2 with 320RAM |
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| 15:17.36 | enouf | 2.7 and 256 RAM? get more RAM |
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| 15:17.38 | themill | gonzaloaf: ok. You need to be explicit when asking questions! It's dep is on either java 5 or java 6 and either jdk or jre. If you install sun-java6-jdk then it will be fine too. |
| 15:17.41 | Haris1 | stew: ..ended with an error |
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| 15:17.47 | Ryan52 | How does a 5 hard drive raid 5 array work? |
| 15:17.58 | moos3 | I need need some help getting bonding to work |
| 15:18.00 | chris062689 | enouf: I really can't afford it right now. It won't be able to run DebianXFCE? |
| 15:18.11 | enouf | chris062689: it will, but slow |
| 15:18.23 | chris062689 | ack. |
| 15:18.27 | enouf | chris062689: better have a nice sized swap too |
| 15:18.30 | gonzaloaf | themill, when you pick to install netbeans ide, it automatically selects jdk5 instead 6 |
| 15:18.33 | chris062689 | I would try Puppy or DSL, but I require multiuser support |
| 15:18.35 | SlayerXP | Ryan52: the same way as any other-number-of-disk raid5 array works |
| 15:18.35 | themill | gonzaloaf: apt-cache depends netbeans-platform |
| 15:18.40 | enouf | chris062689: you can get DDR used cheap |
| 15:18.52 | Lagbolt | chris062689, just run fluxbox :) |
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| 15:19.00 | moos3 | anyone have experince with bonding? |
| 15:19.03 | chris062689 | Hmm.. I hear Fluxbox is hard to customize / set up |
| 15:19.08 | enouf | Haris1: are you in your kernel source dir now? |
| 15:19.08 | themill | gonzaloaf: java5 is just the first mentioned java. If you install sun-java6-jdk first (or in the same aptitude run) then it will be fine too. |
| 15:19.10 | chris062689 | with like the menus and such. |
| 15:19.16 | enouf | chris062689: tias |
| 15:19.29 | enouf | !tias |
| 15:19.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 15:19.33 | chris062689 | enouf: What? |
| 15:19.39 | enouf | ;-) |
| 15:19.41 | stew | moos3: just assume yes and ask your real question |
| 15:19.44 | Haris1 | well, all commands end up in errors :p |
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| 15:19.57 | enouf | Haris1: answer my question please ;-) |
| 15:20.00 | gonzaloaf | themill, why will I need both installed? |
| 15:20.02 | chris062689 | What is tias? |
| 15:20.05 | stew | Haris1: we'd be much more effective at helping if you showed us the actual errors |
| 15:20.07 | Haris1 | enouf: yes, I am |
| 15:20.09 | themill | gonzaloaf: who said you need both installed? |
| 15:20.10 | enouf | chris062689: try it and see |
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| 15:20.16 | chris062689 | !tias |
| 15:20.16 | dpkg | tias is, like, try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 15:20.20 | enouf | Haris1: ok, is there a .config file there? |
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| 15:20.22 | chris062689 | ... >_> |
| 15:20.50 | chris062689 | ok...... |
| 15:20.51 | Haris1 | enouf: yes |
| 15:20.58 | enouf | Haris1: have you run "make <xxx>config" yet at all? |
| 15:21.13 | moos3 | stew: I wrote my interfaces config and added bond0 bonding to my modprobe.d/arch/i386 but when I restarted it didn't work it defaulted to dhcp on the eth0 and eth1 ideas? |
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| 15:21.34 | enouf | Haris1: where did that .config come from? copied from where |
| 15:22.36 | stew | moos3: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:22.48 | Limbeaux | i did apt-get remove postgresql but there are still postgres processes running. how do i get rid of all of them. one of them is /usr/lib/postgresql/7.4/bin/postmaster -D /var/lib/postgresql/7.4/main another is postgres: stats buffer process |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | Limbeaux: is postgresql-server still installed ? |
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| 15:23.28 | serp_20 | hi everyone, another question |
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| 15:23.30 | Limbeaux | i did apt-get remove again and it says that the program is not installed |
| 15:23.34 | Haris1 | enouf: yes, I ran it last night before I built the kernel |
| 15:23.43 | Lagbolt | hi serp_20 |
| 15:23.54 | serp_20 | XNAME, anyone used it? |
| 15:23.58 | enouf | Haris1: ran what? |
| 15:24.03 | Haris1 | make menuconfig |
| 15:24.15 | enouf | Haris1: and where did the orig .config come from? |
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| 15:24.23 | Haris1 | orig? |
| 15:24.32 | Haris1 | There was one? |
| 15:24.33 | Lagbolt | enouf, he def didnt do any make oldconfig or get a .config |
| 15:24.39 | moos3 | stew: http://pastie.caboo.se/186220 |
| 15:24.41 | enouf | Haris1: the kernel doesn't come with a .config |
| 15:24.42 | fugit | Limbeaux: dpkg --list | grep postgres |
| 15:24.43 | Lagbolt | i tried asking about that |
| 15:24.53 | enouf | Lagbolt: indeed |
| 15:24.55 | Haris1 | enouf: :o I copied it |
| 15:25.04 | enouf | !smack Haris1 |
| 15:25.04 | Lagbolt | ah theres the answer |
| 15:25.04 | dpkg | smacks Haris1 upside the head. |
| 15:25.06 | Haris1 | enouf: ..from a file I saved the config to, after I ran it |
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| 15:25.23 | Haris1 | I shouldn't have one? |
| 15:25.23 | Lagbolt | nice |
| 15:25.25 | enouf | Haris1: no, it doesn't work like that ;-) |
| 15:25.32 | Haris1 | make doesn't work without it I think |
| 15:25.38 | Haris1 | ah, I see |
| 15:25.42 | Lagbolt | Haris1, make oldconfig buddy |
| 15:25.56 | enouf | Haris1: you had to either generate one using various make <xxx>config or, you copied one from somewhere |
| 15:26.02 | Haris1 | ok, let me start from dcratch |
| 15:26.06 | Lagbolt | make oldconfig does that buddy |
| 15:26.09 | enouf | right |
| 15:26.14 | Haris1 | scratch+ |
| 15:26.20 | Lagbolt | Haris1, do you have any config_#.#.## in /boot? |
| 15:26.27 | stew | moos3: i think you want an "auto bond0" in there, get rid of the 'allow-hotplug' line. you can use "slaves eth0 eth1" instead of the ifenslave lines in 'up' |
| 15:26.28 | Haris1 | I'll delete this copy of kernel source and re-extract it there |
| 15:26.32 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: yes |
| 15:26.34 | enouf | Haris1: listen - i was trying to get to the make-kpkg clean point, lol |
| 15:26.38 | stew | moos3: check /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/README.Debian |
| 15:26.39 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: I'll rm -f them too |
| 15:26.44 | Lagbolt | no |
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| 15:26.50 | Lagbolt | dude stop rm-ing |
| 15:26.55 | enouf | i wanted to know if you have a copy of your .config and where the heck it came from |
| 15:26.58 | Lagbolt | those are there for a reason |
| 15:26.58 | Haris1 | enouf: well, I did that and got errors |
| 15:27.03 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: ok |
| 15:27.08 | stew | moos3: but oh, wait, if you have eth0 coming up, something else must be bringing it up. |
| 15:27.10 | enouf | Haris1: slow down |
| 15:27.10 | Limbeaux | hmm list apps let me see if i can uninstall those |
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| 15:27.23 | serp_20 | anyone used XNAME? |
| 15:27.28 | Lagbolt | serp_20, not me |
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| 15:27.38 | enouf | Haris1: one more time - where did the .config come from? |
| 15:28.05 | Haris1 | I copied it over from a file I saved the kernel config to, after at the end of make menuconfig |
| 15:28.06 | enouf | Haris1: and .. are you using vanilla kernel.org sources? |
| 15:28.14 | Haris1 | at the end of = when I was done with make menuconfig |
| 15:28.19 | Haris1 | enouf: yes |
| 15:28.28 | enouf | Haris1: m,ake menuconfig will not run without an existing .config |
| 15:28.46 | Haris1 | then I accidently over-wrote it |
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| 15:28.55 | Haris1 | foolishly, is more like it :| |
| 15:28.55 | enouf | gives up |
| 15:29.03 | Lagbolt | Haris1, dude, stop |
| 15:29.43 | Lagbolt | dont delete stuff. . what kern do you run that works on that machine? |
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| 15:29.52 | Haris1 | 2.6.18-5-686 |
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| 15:29.56 | enouf | well, actually, make menuconfig might (i forget now) if you point it to an existing .config |
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| 15:30.05 | Lagbolt | wow OLD lol |
| 15:30.10 | shell | My system is strangely VERY slow at establishing sockets; its download/upload speeds are fine though, once it gets going. For example, when connecting to IRC it'll take a long time, and when receiving an SSH login request the process is very slow. DNS issues aren't completely out of the question, but I'm unsure how to test. |
| 15:30.14 | shell | Why could this be? |
| 15:30.30 | Haris1 | came with etch r2 |
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| 15:30.33 | Lagbolt | Haris1, that is an old .config . . . |
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| 15:30.52 | Lagbolt | Haris1, go into your new kern source dir and do "make-kpkg clean" |
| 15:30.55 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: the one I'm trying to build is 2.6.25 |
| 15:30.59 | Haris1 | Lagbolt: ok |
| 15:31.07 | Lagbolt | then . . . "make silentoldconfig" |
| 15:31.21 | Lagbolt | that should build a .config based on what you are currently running |
| 15:31.42 | enouf | with no questions, heh |
| 15:31.55 | enouf | i like the questions though - get to see what's new |
| 15:31.59 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:32.02 | Lagbolt | yeah but he will have a million |
| 15:32.02 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/995880 |
| 15:32.07 | Lagbolt | from 18 to 25 |
| 15:32.13 | enouf | Lagbolt: i know - it does run on for a while |
| 15:32.15 | AssociateX | man, this is fun |
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| 15:32.20 | enouf | oh yeah |
| 15:32.25 | Haris1 | do I have to do oldconfig? |
| 15:32.34 | enouf | no |
| 15:32.48 | enouf | Haris1: once .. oh nm |
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| 15:32.57 | enouf | looks at pastebin |
| 15:33.04 | Haris1 | errors! |
| 15:33.06 | stew | Haris1: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 15:33.15 | meandrain | Hi. Any ideea why nano crashes? here is gdb run: http://pastebin.com/m2ebfc2b4 |
| 15:33.15 | moos3 | stew: that worked |
| 15:33.23 | Lagbolt | he wants to use latest and greatest lol |
| 15:33.43 | stew | i'm sure he's getting great lolz |
| 15:33.43 | Haris1 | stew: ..for the age old tcp connection failure problem |
| 15:33.47 | enouf | Haris1: do you even have the necessary build-env set up? |
| 15:33.57 | Haris1 | enouf: no? |
| 15:34.00 | Haris1 | o.o |
| 15:34.11 | stew | Haris1: oh, i thought we debunked that as being an actual problem |
| 15:34.39 | enouf | Haris1: have you tried a lenny .24 kernel? |
| 15:34.46 | Haris1 | enouf: yes |
| 15:34.56 | stew | Haris1: as i recall, the times when people were not able to route traffic through your machine, the traffic was never getting to your machine at all anyway |
| 15:34.59 | Haris1 | the problem is not solved in any kernel after 2.6.18 |
| 15:35.09 | enouf | Haris1: and what makes you think sa self-compiled .25 will solve your issue? |
| 15:35.09 | Haris1 | stew: yes |
| 15:35.24 | Haris1 | enouf: I am not sure. I'm trying to see what happens |
| 15:35.27 | Haris1 | with .25 |
| 15:35.28 | enouf | what's wrong with .16 :-( |
| 15:35.41 | Haris1 | I submitted a bug report on debian BTS and kernel mailing list |
| 15:35.45 | Haris1 | no reply yet |
| 15:35.59 | Haris1 | I wish I can change teh bug severity now from important to critical |
| 15:36.02 | Haris1 | the+ |
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| 15:36.25 | Haris1 | haven't tried .16 yet |
| 15:36.34 | stew | Haris1: and you think that a different kernel version might change what packets arrive on your network? |
| 15:36.36 | Haris1 | but I did see a similar bug for ipv6 in .16 |
| 15:36.54 | Haris1 | stew: bugs get fixed in newer versions, do they not |
| 15:37.03 | enouf | Haris1: have you tried various kernel versions withOUT upgrading anythign other then what the kernel requires? i mean do you know what options in the kernel are causing your issue??/ |
| 15:37.09 | stew | i don't see how this is a bug in the kernel |
| 15:37.10 | amphi | Haris1: or introduced ;) |
| 15:37.10 | Lagbolt | Haris1, he is saying if they dont get to that machine it doesnt matter |
| 15:37.17 | vjoe | is there any image viewer which supports animated gifs? |
| 15:37.28 | stew | if the traffic never arrives at this machine, i don't see how you blame this kernel for not doing anything with it, since this kernel never saw it |
| 15:37.29 | Lagbolt | vjoe, iceweasel lol |
| 15:37.32 | Haris1 | enouf: looks like iptables is unable to REDIRECT --to-ports for transparent proxy |
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| 15:37.42 | Lagbolt | vjoe, jk . . i dont know, probably tho |
| 15:37.47 | amphi | vjoe: gthumb IIRC, it's long since I looked at such a thing |
| 15:37.49 | Haris1 | enouf: furthermore, even with -j ACCEPT iptables sometimes shows the same issue |
| 15:37.54 | stew | Haris1: yes, its not likely that iptables will ever be able to REDIRECT traffic that never arrives in the first place |
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| 15:38.08 | Haris1 | stew: ..what do you mean? |
| 15:38.11 | Lagbolt | try gifsicle |
| 15:38.14 | enouf | Haris1: see , now, that's beyond me - but the way you were trying to build a kernel is .. well .. ;-) |
| 15:38.26 | serp_20 | log the data at the prerouting stage |
| 15:38.26 | Haris1 | enouf: old school? |
| 15:38.33 | stew | Haris1: i mean, if the client never contacts this server, then the server cant do anything with the network traffic that was never sent |
| 15:38.46 | enouf | Haris1: old school is really old and so 90s ;-) |
| 15:38.48 | serp_20 | like -t mangle -A PREROUTING -j LOG |
| 15:38.48 | Lagbolt | old school? |
| 15:38.53 | mike23 | hi everyone |
| 15:38.58 | Haris1 | stew: how can you explain browsing working a few seconds ago, and not working just a few seconds later? |
| 15:38.58 | Lagbolt | yeah its just like how LL cool J used to compile kernels back in the day |
| 15:39.00 | stew | Haris1: the last time we talked about this, you said that when the problem was occuring the tcp SYNs were never actually arriving |
| 15:39.01 | vjoe | amphi, IIRC? |
| 15:39.14 | amphi | !IIRC |
| 15:39.14 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 15:39.21 | Haris1 | stew: yes |
| 15:39.30 | mike23 | Can anybody tell me the corresponding gentoo directory of /var/www/localhost/htdocs/ on debian? |
| 15:39.30 | Lagbolt | vjoe, gifsicle - Tool for manipulating GIF images |
| 15:39.35 | Haris1 | stew: but I never said which side had the problem |
| 15:39.39 | Lagbolt | oh wait thats not a viewer, i think you can tho |
| 15:39.44 | cahoot | reminisc? |
| 15:39.44 | stew | Haris1: yes you did |
| 15:40.02 | Haris1 | stew: sicne all other protocols were working fine, other than http (port 80) redirects, I can assume its an issue with the kernel |
| 15:40.08 | serp_20 | mike23: mayne /home/www/htdocs |
| 15:40.13 | stew | Haris1: if the traffic doesn't arrive at this machine, no kernel is going to be able to redirect the traffic, since there is no traffic |
| 15:40.28 | Lagbolt | vjoe, my bad . . . i think zgv does and maybe gimageview |
| 15:40.32 | stew | Haris1: you coud also assume it is an issue with the client machines |
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| 15:40.40 | Haris1 | stew: How can the traffic for 1 port not arrive at the box when all other is going in normal? |
| 15:40.55 | serp_20 | Haris1: unless ur using a mangle and checkin the order of the flags, some scripts have that |
| 15:40.56 | Haris1 | stew: there's no logical reason for it |
| 15:41.20 | stew | Haris1: there is no reason to think that a newer kernel version could do something with traffic that doesn't exist |
| 15:41.29 | Haris1 | serp_20: this is an old issue, I'v had it for weeks. I just started marking traffic this week though |
| 15:41.47 | Haris1 | stew: well, how can I check if the traffic is or is not comming to the box to be sure? |
| 15:41.54 | stew | Haris1: with tcpdump |
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| 15:42.14 | enouf | Haris1: there are many tools, but yeah |
| 15:42.16 | Haris1 | ..and how do you explain all the rest of the traffic moving in/out ok from the same box? |
| 15:42.28 | stew | Haris1: i don't |
| 15:42.29 | Haris1 | from/to |
| 15:42.35 | Haris1 | see! |
| 15:42.35 | enouf | ntop, iptraf, etc |
| 15:42.39 | Haris1 | you missed the point! |
| 15:42.49 | stew | Haris1: ok, then i'll stop. good luck |
| 15:42.54 | Haris1 | my ssh connection, my IMs, my mail, my vpn, all damned traffic is running ok |
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| 15:42.57 | Haris1 | except for browsing |
| 15:43.00 | Haris1 | explain that |
| 15:43.11 | serp_20 | mangle filter with iptables and the -i eth option |
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| 15:43.18 | enouf | someone blocked port 80 somewhere ;-) |
| 15:43.21 | serp_20 | and u'll see the flags aswell |
| 15:43.24 | Haris1 | this is 2nd time I said this =) |
| 15:43.24 | stew | Haris1: when the client machiens send traffic and your machine routs it just fine, you want me to explain why that is working? |
| 15:43.36 | enouf | and it ain't the kernel |
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| 15:44.06 | enouf | apache2/ports.conf ? |
| 15:44.42 | themill | points towards #iptables |
| 15:44.44 | Haris1 | stew: I want you to explain, why traffic for ALL protocols on box A moves smoothly through box B (debian box, transparent proxy, nat/masq) and not for port 80? |
| 15:45.08 | stew | Haris1: because the port 80 traffic doesn't exist |
| 15:45.09 | Limbeaux | thanks fugit!! that let me know what i needed to remove!! |
| 15:45.11 | Haris1 | at the same time! |
| 15:45.19 | Haris1 | shrugs! |
| 15:45.24 | Haris1 | how the heck can it not exist? |
| 15:45.28 | Haris1 | that doesn't make sense |
| 15:45.47 | stew | Haris1: i dont' know, but you should be looking farther upstream. not at the kernel version |
| 15:45.59 | Haris1 | fartehr upstream? o_O |
| 15:46.02 | Haris1 | father+ |
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| 15:46.06 | enouf | mudder |
| 15:46.09 | Haris1 | brb, changing boxes |
| 15:46.09 | stew | Haris1: we've already determined that the traffic never arrives, so look where it is being sent from, not trying to change stuff at the point at which the traffic was already lost |
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| 15:46.33 | Haris1 | how? |
| 15:46.43 | Haris1 | is there a packet generator for widnows? |
| 15:46.48 | moos3 | stew: you still around? now for some reason i can't get out the internet |
| 15:46.48 | themill | Haris1: what else does this traffic pass through? |
| 15:46.48 | enouf | Haris1: stew just made an extremely valid point - ensure the traffic is actually "on the wire" |
| 15:46.48 | Haris1 | windows+ |
| 15:47.02 | Haris1 | themill: vpn, mail, cvs, IMs, voice |
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| 15:47.53 | enouf | Haris1: if you can't find something useful here - http://www.wiretapped.net/ you should be ... |
| 15:48.00 | themill | Haris1: different question. What other hardware is the port 80 traffic passing through? (routers, NAT-boxes, hw-firewalls etc) |
| 15:48.11 | Haris1 | themill: that's all working fine. Why not port 80 traffic? Doesn't make sense. Let me add a rule to iptables for the websites that are hosted on box B |
| 15:48.12 | serp_20 | one of the filters in the iptable could be looking at the subnet like 10.0.0.1/24 and port forwarding to 10.0.0.21 and then sending the rest to 10.0.0.22, so ur apache server looks really fast but its only serving half your users |
| 15:48.27 | Haris1 | if that works, then I'll be sure, oprt 80 traffic is reaching it |
| 15:48.37 | Haris1 | One Q raises here |
| 15:48.59 | Haris1 | why would prot 80 traffic just abruptly stop reaching it at random times and won't reach it for random times and would then start working itself? |
| 15:49.05 | stew | moos3: can you ping your gateway? |
| 15:49.25 | enouf | Haris1: windows is it's own beast |
| 15:49.27 | moos3 | stew: yup |
| 15:49.28 | stew | Haris1: run tcpdump on the sender and make sure the traffic leaves the sender |
| 15:49.35 | serp_20 | icmp echo request not block |
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| 15:50.13 | moos3 | I should only need to add dns-nameserver to my interfaces right? |
| 15:50.22 | serp_20 | route table or iptables, unless he's using iproute 2 |
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| 15:50.57 | themill | Haris1: why would that be a kernel bug and not a router or NAT-setup bug? That's why I asked what else this traffic is going through. The other day you said that the packets weren't even making it to the box that is supposed to be rerouting them with iptables. If that's the case, then it would seem you're looking for the problem downstream of where it really is. |
| 15:50.58 | stew | moos3: can you ping 64.233.167.99 ? |
| 15:51.23 | moos3 | stew: yeah |
| 15:51.47 | stew | moos3: yeah, then it is a nameserver problem, you can edit /etc/resolv.conf (man resolv.conf) |
| 15:51.56 | enouf | themill: i find it really odd that his last message implies that it works 'some of the time' .. |
| 15:51.59 | stew | moos3: btw, i'd recommend NOT specifying network or broadcast in /etc/network/interfaces (yours is correct now, but the only reason to specify one is if you are doing something non-standard which you are not) |
| 15:52.22 | moos3 | stew: thanks |
| 15:52.30 | enouf | themill: or maybe he was responding to another's inquiry? |
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| 15:53.48 | themill | enouf: well, occasional packets being dropped or incorrectly rerouted would be a symptom some sort of netfilter bug which is consistent with the rest of the story. The question is *where* are they going missing. He seems fixated on it being the kernel and refusing to look at previous steps in the chain. |
| 15:54.41 | lastnode | im running ratpoison, and get errors whe i launch deluge - it cant find some py modules. ive tried adding /usr/lib/python2.4 to th3 $PATH. just wondering if there is some gnome startup file where a setting might be stored, because deluge runs fine on gnome. |
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| 15:56.28 | enouf | themill: apologies, but from today's story (and that's as far back as my old tired brain remembers anything ;-)) "occasional packets being dropped" is not what i understand the issue to be - he said no port80 traffic at all - or maybe i'm mistaken |
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| 15:57.17 | themill | enouf: yeah well... I gave up on putting any intellectual energy into his problems a long time ago. |
| 15:58.05 | enouf | themill: i wish i had your intelligence |
| 15:58.18 | themill | heh |
| 15:58.35 | enouf | congrats - he wore me out - now i can nap ;-) |
| 16:00.01 | stew | lastnode: you should not have /usr/lib/foo on the path. and python doesn't use $PATH to look for modules. show us the exact errors |
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| 16:01.36 | lastnode | stew: http://pastie.caboo.se/185983 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464711#20 |
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| 16:02.21 | lastnode | stew: that bug report is not me, btw |
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| 16:02.50 | eternalswd | where exactly is the $PATH variable set system-wide? |
| 16:03.13 | stew | eternalswd: /etc/profile |
| 16:03.22 | stew | lastnode: you've tried the suggestion of moving the config? |
| 16:03.41 | lastnode | stew: yes |
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| 16:03.57 | eternalswd | thanks stew. |
| 16:04.04 | lastnode | stew: that was a fix for the other error, above it. the last bug report is what i have, and no fix has been suggested. plus, when i switch to gnome right now, it works. |
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| 16:10.15 | Killaklown | dumb question.... how do i set up my debian install to get the latest and greatest something like ubuntu.. but.. also getting good sec updates |
| 16:11.20 | hoxu | !flw |
| 16:11.21 | dpkg | flw23 is, like, <belracu> there is no ignorance in linux ... every thing is open |
| 16:11.34 | Killaklown | lol ok |
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| 16:12.02 | hoxu | Killaklown, ubuntu and debian are different distributions |
| 16:12.10 | hoxu | !start a distro war |
| 16:12.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 16:12.14 | halflife08 | Killaklown: set it to track unstable tree. ubuntu and debian are different |
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| 16:12.33 | zinx | erh, you did not just tell him to track unstable |
| 16:12.38 | slidesinger | Is there anyway to check and see if my onboard sd reader is up without rebooting and making sure it is enabled in the BIOS? |
| 16:12.39 | Killaklown | i knowww....deb and ubun are diff. |
| 16:12.43 | zinx | whaps halflife08 |
| 16:12.55 | Killaklown | i just want the latest and greatest repositories |
| 16:12.58 | Killaklown | i'm using testing now |
| 16:13.07 | halflife08 | Killaklown: you have been warned that unstable, has problems and you wont get a lot of sympathies when you run into problems |
| 16:13.10 | Killaklown | but i want regular sec updates as well |
| 16:13.10 | hoxu | halflife08, and you'll be here to support someone new with debian who's going to have a screwed up system real soon? |
| 16:13.12 | orochi_ | Killaklown, Thank goodness for that too, #ubuntu are a bunch of nazis |
| 16:13.31 | lastnode | Killaklown: testing is generally a good balance of stablity + flexibility. |
| 16:13.34 | stew | orochi_: do not call people names |
| 16:13.38 | hoxu | halflife08, :) |
| 16:13.42 | Killaklown | what version u guys using? |
| 16:13.55 | Killaklown | testing? |
| 16:14.09 | halflife08 | Hoxu: :D |
| 16:14.14 | slidesinger | Killaklown: I run testing on desktops and stable on servers. |
| 16:14.15 | lastnode | stew: mate, just wondering if you saw my earlier message. is there a way to evoke gtk+ startup or something in ratpoison? because if deluge works in gnome, it should work here, right? |
| 16:14.26 | Killaklown | ok |
| 16:14.27 | Killaklown | cool |
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| 16:14.32 | lastnode | Killaklown: i use testing, with unstable packages thrown in |
| 16:14.32 | halflife08 | Killaklown: unstable, stable and testing =)) |
| 16:14.38 | Killaklown | nice |
| 16:14.43 | CBG | Hi folks. Quite a while ago now (a few months I would guesstimate) I installed the current stableish debian on my PPC G4 iBook. I had a few issues (mostly related to trying get online on the wifi network by sharing the connection with my Intel iMac via an ethernet cable - the imac was a couple feet closer then the router, so it was easier to connect. plus it sounded like more fun than just plugging into the router...) getting X going... |
| 16:15.01 | CBG | so I was stuck in CLI world. Ultimately, I tried to reboot into OS X (Either 10.3.9 or 10.4, I forget which) but the system was set up only to boot into Debian and wouldn't even boot to a CD/DVD. The machine was and to this day is still stuck in debian. Can anyone help me at all to gett he machine to boot into _anything_ else? If I can get it to boot from a DVD at least, I can then boot into OS X. |
| 16:15.14 | slidesinger | Well, I do pin some packages from stable and from unstable on my laptop. |
| 16:15.26 | halflife08 | CBG: man grub |
| 16:15.36 | Killaklown | i pin too but i have testing as default |
| 16:15.40 | stew | lastnode: i dont' now what gtk+ startup would be. i don't know why a python app would behave differently under ratpoison. if having gnome running makes it work, you can run ratpoison under gnome, i guess |
| 16:15.42 | slidesinger | tell Killaklown about pinning |
| 16:15.43 | lastnode | CBG: check your bios, ask it to try and boot form teh cd first? |
| 16:15.45 | stew | lastnode: have you asked #ratpoison? |
| 16:15.51 | Killaklown | i know bout pinning dude |
| 16:15.52 | Killaklown | lol |
| 16:16.04 | lastnode | stew: will do that. how can I run ratpoison under gnome? :o |
| 16:16.10 | CBG | halflife08: sorry, i have looked at the man pages, do not understand much of them at all. not near enough to get anywhere. |
| 16:16.29 | CBG | lastnode: I have no idea if it is even possible to access the bios on my iBook. |
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| 16:16.46 | stew | lastnode: i'm not sure. but "gnome-session" would start gnome from within ratpoison, possibly |
| 16:16.49 | vchrizz | hi, how do i find out who added an user? |
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| 16:17.02 | Killaklown | does debian testing get regular sec updates? |
| 16:17.07 | halflife08 | vchrizz: usually only root can add a user |
| 16:17.10 | stew | Killaklown: no |
| 16:17.13 | Killaklown | dang |
| 16:17.15 | Killaklown | sucks |
| 16:17.16 | stew | Killaklown: it gets them sometimes |
| 16:17.22 | Killaklown | not good |
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| 16:17.41 | stew | Killaklown: you could run stable + backports, but then don't expect the backports themselves to get security updates |
| 16:17.48 | Killaklown | ok |
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| 16:18.01 | Killaklown | see this is why i'm tossed |
| 16:18.07 | vchrizz | halflife08: well, i gave two users access in sudoers... |
| 16:18.17 | lastnode | Killaklown: what machine is this? a desktop, a server? |
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| 16:18.24 | Killaklown | destkop |
| 16:18.27 | Killaklown | desktop |
| 16:18.56 | lastnode | then, unless you are realyl anal about security, testing should be fine |
| 16:19.07 | Killaklown | i see |
| 16:19.10 | Killaklown | ok |
| 16:19.26 | helo | i was under the impression that testing got security updates as often as they are discovered/fixed by the upstream developers, some of which get backported to stable if the vuln is present there as well |
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| 16:19.34 | Killaklown | do u find that u can always get all ur packages that u want in testing? |
| 16:19.45 | lastnode | Killaklown: if not in testing, then in experimental |
| 16:19.50 | Killaklown | oh |
| 16:19.52 | halflife08 | vchrizz: look at the change time of /etc/passwd and then look through the logs for the sudo activity you can find out who did |
| 16:20.00 | Killaklown | ok |
| 16:20.08 | lastnode | Killaklown: but i like testing, because there is always a debian testing release. when lenny goes stable, the next release will be testing, and so on. |
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| 16:20.09 | CBG | So much for "community support" which, as I understood it, was supposed to be the essence of linux. Nobody is willing to offer any more help than "rtfm"? |
| 16:20.14 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 16:20.31 | helo | CBG: rtfm twice, then |
| 16:20.37 | Killaklown | ok |
| 16:20.48 | lastnode | CBG: this is voluntary support. you cant come in here, and expect to get support 24/7. if we can help, we do.if we cant, hang around till someone who can comes in. |
| 16:20.53 | CBG | Did I miss the "only extremely techincal people who actually made this OS can use it" rule? :/ |
| 16:20.57 | VImtermute | CBG, windows user? |
| 16:20.58 | kibibyte | i need help howto change keyboard i dont have PIPE i have > instead |
| 16:21.03 | Killaklown | in ur /etc/sources.list do u have "lenny" or "testing" ?? |
| 16:21.03 | helo | CBG: kidding aside, you have to know how to make the most of the free support that is available |
| 16:21.10 | kibibyte | i want pipe |
| 16:21.20 | lastnode | CBG: you're not going to get support by emotional blackmail mate. |
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| 16:21.26 | vchrizz | halflife08: hum, how do i search in all syslog.*.gz for sudo activity? |
| 16:21.29 | CBG | VImtermute: I don't know a single person who has not or does not use Windows. |
| 16:21.36 | Killaklown | if u have "testing" i figure that when the name changes then i will still get testing repository |
| 16:21.44 | lastnode | Killaklown: exactly :) |
| 16:21.48 | Killaklown | cool |
| 16:21.52 | Killaklown | thats what i thought |
| 16:21.53 | kibibyte | and inststead AT i have " |
| 16:21.56 | kibibyte | how gto change it |
| 16:22.01 | Killaklown | almost like rolling release |
| 16:22.02 | CBG | lastnode: fwiw, I have asked for help here on this issue, probably 20 times or so. I've never recieved any assistance. |
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| 16:22.03 | winn2 | everything has its placed |
| 16:22.07 | winn2 | placed/place |
| 16:22.07 | helo | kibblebyte |
| 16:22.14 | kibibyte | ?? |
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| 16:22.21 | VImtermute | CBG, you probably need to lurk more on the internet |
| 16:22.26 | helo | kibibyte reminds me of kibbles (dog food) |
| 16:22.29 | CBG | helo: "rtfm" is not helping if I've done that and didn't get anywhere. |
| 16:22.41 | CBG | I've lurked, a lot. It never helped. |
| 16:22.41 | lastnode | CBG: then you are running the wrong distro. if you can't google it, haven't got support here, and want hand holding, try another distro. |
| 16:22.44 | VImtermute | CBG, that's how most problems are solved |
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| 16:22.51 | VImtermute | CBG, own experience |
| 16:23.00 | lastnode | CBG: ive been dealing with a problem for a long time, do you see me bitching in here? |
| 16:23.01 | CBG | lastnode: ok, tell me thaty AFTER the OS locks down a perfectly functional machine. |
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| 16:23.05 | Inktjet | I have one .htpasswd file which should work and consists of user_intranet:name/blabla |
| 16:23.11 | Inktjet | which does this mean? |
| 16:23.15 | Inktjet | what* |
| 16:23.17 | kibibyte | helo, help me with my keyboard its al mixed now, in place of PIPE sign i have < , instae AT i have " |
| 16:23.30 | VImtermute | CBG, it's like water: it can crash its way through, or find a way around stuff |
| 16:23.36 | lastnode | CBG: dude seriously, did we intall debian on your box, or did you? |
| 16:23.39 | CBG | lastnode: When an OS is based on community support, I expect to be able to find help somwhere after months of asking and searching. |
| 16:23.42 | VImtermute | hope you get my metaphor :> |
| 16:23.51 | halflife08 | vchrizz: you are better off looking at the /var/log/auth.log |
| 16:23.56 | CBG | lastnode: I did, it refuses to let me reboot and nobody is willing to help at all. |
| 16:24.20 | helo | CBG: you're looking to boot from a dvd/cd on a mac... that is pretty offtopic for this channel, in all fairness... |
| 16:24.22 | hoxu | CBG, make a blog for ranting, this is a support channel, and that doesn't mean mental support. If you aren't getting help then probably no one able to give it is awake or your description of problem is lacking |
| 16:24.25 | lastnode | CBG: you don't _expect_ anything. we are in here, of our own free will, trying to help the people we can. I've never purchased an apple machine, and never will. closed OSes and hardware suck. |
| 16:24.41 | CBG | helo: I am looking to fix whatever debian has done that won't let me boot into anything other than debian. |
| 16:24.52 | Killaklown | yeah dude listen to lastnode... apple sucks |
| 16:24.53 | winn2 | CGB i think you should contact an apple channel, they should be able to help you more, since it seems to be an apple issue |
| 16:24.54 | lastnode | CBG: if I could help you, I would have. but as you can see, there aren't any ppc users in here. |
| 16:25.01 | CBG | lastnode: thanks for your irrelevant opinion. |
| 16:25.06 | Killaklown | lol |
| 16:25.11 | stew | CBG: try #debianppc |
| 16:25.11 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 16:25.12 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 16:25.12 | Killaklown | dude getting attidude |
| 16:25.13 | CBG | Are there never any PPC users here? |
| 16:25.23 | winn2 | not me |
| 16:25.27 | Killaklown | noone likes PPC here dude |
| 16:25.32 | winn2 | take stew's advice |
| 16:25.39 | kibibyte | whats ppc |
| 16:25.39 | lastnode | CBG: if it was a standard machine, with a standard bios, i could run you through the steps. how the HELL are we supposed to know wtf apple was thinking when they put together hteir closed spec junk? |
| 16:25.45 | winn2 | does that stand for peoples pc? |
| 16:25.45 | CBG | I've tried #debianppc in the past, never saw anyone there who wasn't here and actually often got flamed for asking the same question there, BY the people who told me to go ask there. |
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| 16:25.59 | Killaklown | dude |
| 16:26.00 | halflife08 | vchrizz: look for keywords such as sudo/su |
| 16:26.01 | stew | CBG: which bootloader are you running? |
| 16:26.06 | Killaklown | fillin in the first P with whatever u want |
| 16:26.07 | lastnode | grub |
| 16:26.12 | timUR123 | guys on boot start What command do i add to go Directly to console isntead of kdm ??!!! |
| 16:26.13 | CBG | Whatever debian loaded. GRUB iirc. |
| 16:26.25 | lastnode | timUR123: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 16:26.36 | stew | CBG: check /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/ |
| 16:26.38 | timUR123 | Lagbolt, what else? |
| 16:26.50 | vchrizz | halflife08: thx, looking already ;) but where does sudo put it log file to? |
| 16:26.54 | vchrizz | its |
| 16:27.06 | hoxu | vchrizz, /var/log/auth.log? |
| 16:27.22 | CBG | stew, I've spent days looking at grub config files. I can't work it out. Sorry if I'm not genius enough. |
| 16:27.32 | FordCortina | im trying to do a make-kpkg but im getting this sort of error "/bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected" |
| 16:27.43 | FordCortina | any ideas what caused that? |
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| 16:28.13 | zinx | i'm not sure GRUB is capable of loading Mac OS X |
| 16:28.14 | Phil4 | FordCortina, typically an empty variable |
| 16:28.18 | lastnode | CBG: dude, please listen to yourself. the least you can do is be polite. ste iw tryign to _help_ you |
| 16:28.35 | lastnode | CBG: if you've read the docs, say you have. no need to start a pity party, or get sarcastic. |
| 16:28.39 | Phil4 | e.g. if [ $var -ge 3 ] |
| 16:28.40 | CBG | I am being polite. |
| 16:28.45 | lastnode | great |
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| 16:28.51 | CBG | I explained that I did what he suggested and didn't get anywhere. |
| 16:28.57 | cusco | that is right you should be sorry for not being genious enough |
| 16:29.08 | cusco | is that the kind of answer you're looking for? |
| 16:29.09 | Phil4 | when $var = "", it evaluates to if [ -ge 3 ] |
| 16:29.19 | FordCortina | Phil4: i noticed something wierd here " DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.24-10.00.Custom " but im compiling 2.6.25 from git |
| 16:29.19 | zinx | CBG: you can boot the DVD by holding c during boot, or something weird like that |
| 16:29.23 | lastnode | ok enough for today. night guys. |
| 16:29.25 | CBG | is basically just annoyed that, apparently, nobody in the world has ever installed debian on a PPC mac and had boot problems of any kind. |
| 16:29.28 | lastnode | detaches screen |
| 16:29.42 | CBG | zinx: nope, the normal mac things like that don't work anymore. |
| 16:29.54 | lastnode | CBG: we understand that. hang in there, the debian community is huge - try a mailing list perhaps? good luck anyway. laters :) |
| 16:29.56 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.56 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.56 | cusco | | (__ | _ \| (_ | |
| 16:29.56 | cusco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.06 | Phil4 | wtf? |
| 16:30.08 | cusco | sorry I was doing a lastlog |
| 16:30.10 | helo | grub is pretty esoteric for the uninitiated... how is he supposed to know what the hard drive/partition number is in grub? i sure as hell don't know |
| 16:30.12 | cusco | ascii came out |
| 16:30.13 | cusco | :( |
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| 16:30.21 | CBG | thanks anyway, lastnode. |
| 16:30.24 | zinx | CBG: they don't? strange. |
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| 16:30.55 | CBG | Right. |
| 16:31.09 | amphi | helo: cat /boot/grub/device.map should get you part way there |
| 16:31.17 | zinx | CBG: i don't know then, i'm not familiar with macs, and everything i see says that works :/ |
| 16:31.17 | Haris1 | Ok, back |
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| 16:31.30 | CBG | walks the dog. biab. |
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| 16:31.56 | zinx | CBG: i'd hit google with various search terms. i wouldn't look specificly for GRUB, however. more like, running linux and mac os x together |
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| 16:32.18 | hoxu | !public aways |
| 16:32.23 | cusco | CBG: tried holding down key 'C' afther the dong? that will boot from dhe dvd/cd |
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| 16:32.31 | zinx | cusco: he says that doesn't work. |
| 16:32.56 | cusco | it does! keep it pressed until it boots |
| 16:33.08 | helo | your best chance with with any linux distro is using it on the most commonly used platforms/hardware... |
| 16:33.08 | cusco | maybe replace keyboard |
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| 16:33.56 | JW | Hey I've seen a setting in fstab that mounts a little bit of memory from RAM into a mounpoint at boot time so it because file storage for the file system - sometimes /tmp is that way - but I can't remember what it's called in order to look it up, does anybody know? |
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| 16:34.16 | JW | Maybe something like shm? shmfs? |
| 16:34.22 | helo | CBG: hoping your client will give you messages sent while you are away... did you try holding option while booting? |
| 16:34.34 | PythonNi2ja | hi, mysteriously vlc doesn't seem to be in debian-multimedia, and the debian repo's vlc + libdvdread can't play any of my DVD's. is there a solution apart from building it all from source? |
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| 16:36.02 | hoxu | JW, tmpfs? |
| 16:36.11 | bvk | CBG: is tat a powerbook ? |
| 16:36.12 | moos3 | how can i get the kernel sources |
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| 16:36.21 | JW | hoxu: I'll try that. |
| 16:36.28 | hoxu | JW, /msg dpkg tmpfs |
| 16:36.29 | stew | moos3: why do you want them? (many people that ask actually just need -headers) |
| 16:36.35 | ScriptDevil | is it possible to hard drive install from a debian iso? |
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| 16:36.50 | eternalswd | I'm trying to get xserver set up on debian testing. I've got a G3 iMac graphite and I'm running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it's asking for the video card and I'm not sure what to tell it. What should I do to find out what to tell it? |
| 16:36.53 | stew | ScriptDevil: yes, there is hd install media, /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:37.08 | moos3 | stew: vmware needs them for compiling modules |
| 16:37.09 | hoxu | !tell ScriptDevil about hd-media |
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| 16:37.43 | stew | moos3: i would guess you only need headers then, "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
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| 16:37.53 | stew | eternalswd: 'lspci' should tell you |
| 16:39.14 | ScriptDevil | stew, hoxu: thanks. I was trying it with the normal installers kernel and initrd :D |
| 16:39.16 | ScriptDevil | no wonder |
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| 16:40.12 | Mark17 | hello, what is the name off that package that installs gcc/g++/other really usefull packages? |
| 16:40.17 | Mark17 | when i use apt-get |
| 16:40.22 | themill | !b-e Mark17 |
| 16:40.22 | dpkg | Mark17: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 16:45.44 | Mark17 | thank you themill, also documented it in my default script for install a new debian server |
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| 16:46.08 | themill | Mark17: no worries. |
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| 16:49.20 | brakkvatn | Hey where can I ask questions about specific intel processors and their compability on debian? |
| 16:49.28 | abrotman | here |
| 16:49.33 | brakkvatn | Cool |
| 16:49.38 | CBG | ok, cusco, helo, bvk: thanks for trying to help out a noob. It's been months since I last turned the machine on so let me have a look. |
| 16:49.46 | CBG | For a start, it's an iBook, not a pbook. |
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| 16:49.56 | bvk | CBG: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=504151 |
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| 16:49.58 | brakkvatn | I just bought an Intel Pentium D e6000 sequence machine and want to install debian. Should I install i386 or another architecture? |
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| 16:50.12 | abrotman | whoops |
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| 16:50.20 | CBG | Secondly, holding c on boot brings up the "First stage GNU/Linux Bootstrap" menu. Pressing x here (for OS X) doesn't work. just refreshes the screen. |
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| 16:50.26 | bvk | CBG: it has some info on uninstalling ubuntu on powerbook |
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| 16:50.55 | brakkvatn | abrotman: Are you familiar with that series of processors? |
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| 16:51.07 | CBG | reading the link... |
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| 16:51.15 | abrotman | brakkvatn: either i386 or amd64 .. if it's for a desktop, i'd use i386 |
| 16:51.24 | tomaw | zinx: thanks, he's gone |
| 16:51.32 | brakkvatn | abrotman: It's for a fileserver |
| 16:51.46 | abrotman | brakkvatn: i'd probably go amd64 unless you know of a reason not to |
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| 16:51.56 | brakkvatn | abrotman: Would I gain speed from that you think? |
| 16:51.58 | brakkvatn | In theory |
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| 16:52.08 | bvk | CBG: look at 5th comment |
| 16:52.17 | abrotman | brakkvatn: it's a trade off .. some things are faster, some slower |
| 16:52.41 | brakkvatn | abrotman: Okay I'll go for amd64, thanks. But what is ia64? Is it something to consider? |
| 16:52.54 | CBG | bvk: ok, looks promising |
| 16:53.06 | stew | brakkvatn: ia64 is for itanium |
| 16:53.12 | scriptdevil | do I need even boot.img.gz for hd-media install? |
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| 16:53.41 | bvk | CBG: did it work? |
| 16:53.43 | brakkvatn | stew: Oh... Heh. Thanks :) |
| 16:54.10 | stew | brakkvatn: if you are not positively sure if you have an itanium, you don't |
| 16:54.31 | brakkvatn | stew: Yea, I don't have one of those |
| 16:54.41 | CBG | bvk: well, to some extent. I get a new menu up but there's only a linux drive (it has a tux symbol :P ) to choose... |
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| 16:56.06 | bvk | CBG: are you sure you didn't blow off mac os x already ? |
| 16:56.06 | Haris1 | how do I delete all 2.6.25 files I created while building it? |
| 16:56.17 | Haris1 | Are any files put outside /usr/src/linux-2.6.25? |
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| 16:56.54 | bvk | Haris1: if you did make install then yes |
| 16:57.17 | Haris1 | bvk: where would the files be? I'v deleted those in /boot as well |
| 16:57.47 | CBG | bvk: not intentionally but seems like it's been wiped. :/ |
| 16:58.12 | bvk | Haris1: /lib/modules/2.6.25 |
| 16:58.37 | bvk | CBG: then i can't be of much help either :( |
| 16:58.50 | ma3x | is there moonlight (mono) silverlight package for debian? |
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| 16:59.02 | abrotman | ma3x: packages.debian.org .. look yourself |
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| 16:59.30 | Haris1 | any other folder? |
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| 16:59.57 | ma3x | i hate it when microsoft invents some shit and then webs apply it |
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| 17:00.12 | NekoKun | How can I check the dates of the last updates made with apt-get? |
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| 17:00.35 | NekoKun | ma3x: what are you talking about? |
| 17:00.36 | hoxu | NekoKun, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:00.39 | bvk | Haris1: header files might be copied into /usr/include, i am not sure (and you shouldn't blindly delete them.) |
| 17:01.11 | ma3x | NekoKun: silverlight! many webs use it for streaming videos |
| 17:01.12 | hoxu | NekoKun, wait, upgrades or updates? |
| 17:01.16 | abrotman | hoxu: doesn't exist in etch |
| 17:01.23 | hoxu | abrotman, oh |
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| 17:01.36 | hoxu | abrotman, since sarge then? |
| 17:01.38 | NekoKun | hoxu: php update for instance |
| 17:01.38 | Haris1 | I'm going to use ethereal and hope I can understand its output |
| 17:01.43 | Haris1 | on winxp box |
| 17:01.50 | NekoKun | ma3x: more than flash/flex? |
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| 17:02.03 | Haris1 | can't touch /usr/include |
| 17:02.31 | abrotman | hoxu: what since sarge? |
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| 17:02.53 | hoxu | abrotman, since when has dpkg written that logfile by default? :) |
| 17:02.58 | ma3x | NekoKun: 'flash killer' microsoft attempting to take over the flash app |
| 17:03.03 | stew | hoxu: since 1.13 |
| 17:04.24 | hoxu | !info dpkg etch |
| 17:04.27 | dpkg | dpkg: (package maintenance system for Debian), section admin, is required. Version: 1.13.25 (etch), Packaged size: 1983 kB, Installed size: 6296 kB |
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| 17:05.40 | NekoKun | ma3x: Here it still almost non used... but... Does Silverlight do what Adobe Air do? |
| 17:05.50 | earthian | !info dpkg experimental |
| 17:05.54 | earthian | :o |
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| 17:06.10 | ma3x | NekoKun: what's adobe air? it runs on linux? |
| 17:06.55 | whoamiii | hi guys i just got amd64 installed. At the point where i specify bootloader, the command 'grub-install (hd0)' fails with: Found: /boot/grub ; The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
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| 17:07.01 | whoamiii | how do i fix this |
| 17:07.06 | brakkvatn | Can I set up Software-RAID during setup? |
| 17:07.09 | whoamiii | save |
| 17:07.21 | scott_w | hey, i think i've found a bug in the gaim shipped with debian 4 |
| 17:07.24 | scott_w | where should i report it? |
| 17:07.48 | scott_w | here or at gaim/pidgin? |
| 17:07.49 | hoxu | !bts |
| 17:07.49 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 17:07.52 | NekoKun | ma3x: Adobe AIR is a desktop application made with Adobe FLEX (or Flash or Ajax). AFAIK it runs cause even a Flex Builder for linux has been released |
| 17:08.12 | scott_w | ok, so debian, cheers |
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| 17:10.27 | CBG | Ok folks. Forget my boot issues. I am now at the point that I want to wipe the HDD clean. How can I do this under Debian (remember I don't have all the usual stuff, no X for example, just a CLI) |
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| 17:12.06 | hoxu | CBG, define clean |
| 17:12.10 | AssociateX | Muha ha ha ha! I'm not root anymore |
| 17:13.34 | cloakable | :D |
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| 17:13.54 | CBG | oh dear lord, Now I can't actually boot debian either... unknown or corrupt filesystem. |
| 17:14.16 | hoxu | CBG, I thought you wanted to wipe it clean :) |
| 17:14.25 | CBG | I do. |
| 17:14.45 | CBG | How can I do that without booting into an OS or dvd/cd? |
| 17:14.47 | stew | CBG: you can't wipe the hard drive clean while you are booted from the hard drive |
| 17:14.55 | stew | CBG: you can't |
| 17:15.03 | hoxu | yes you can... :) |
| 17:15.05 | CBG | Then the machine is ready for the tip. |
| 17:15.17 | CBG | Debian.grub refuses to let me boot ANYTHING, even debian itself. |
| 17:15.22 | CBG | debian/grub* |
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| 17:15.33 | CBG | goes to dinner. |
| 17:15.40 | hoxu | stew, if cleaning the disk means dd if=/dev/zero, then it works no problem :P |
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| 17:21.45 | AssociateX | what the default pdf reader to install? I have a two hour old install here |
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| 17:22.06 | AssociateX | <---- first day with running debian |
| 17:22.20 | format_c | AssociateX, this one thats delivered with the WM |
| 17:22.25 | format_c | in case of KDE or GNOME |
| 17:22.33 | AssociateX | apt-get install kpdf |
| 17:22.36 | AssociateX | thank you |
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| 17:22.48 | stew | AssociateX: if you installed the 'desktop' then it would be evince, xpdf is another option |
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| 17:23.02 | AssociateX | stew thank you |
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| 17:23.22 | format_c | acroread also but a bit slow |
| 17:23.33 | format_c | and closed source also |
| 17:23.34 | whoamiii | hi can someone help me figure out why i can't grub-install with a fresh installation of etch? |
| 17:23.44 | stew | whoamiii: do you get an error? |
| 17:23.45 | PsySine | what is the easiest way yo fetch the source for a module, make chenges to it, and then replace the existing version of it? |
| 17:23.55 | stew | PsySine: "module"? |
| 17:24.00 | PsySine | kernel module |
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| 17:24.21 | whoamiii | stew: yes. I quoted it about 17 minutes ago |
| 17:24.29 | AssociateX | man, this is fun |
| 17:24.48 | whoamiii | it works fine with lilo |
| 17:24.55 | PsySine | the thing I wonder most about is how to build a single module when I've downloaded the kernel sources |
| 17:25.00 | format_c | PsySine, load the kernel sources go to the directory of the module, modify the source code as you want and remake it and reload the image |
| 17:25.08 | stew | whoamiii: you are booted from the install cd? |
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| 17:25.28 | stew | PsySine: you can't easily build a single module in-tree |
| 17:25.29 | PsySine | format_c: does it work to simply run make where the module lies? |
| 17:25.52 | whoamiii | stew: no i booted into my system fine |
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| 17:26.06 | format_c | No I guess not. Only if there is a "Makefile" |
| 17:26.11 | whoamiii | stew: but when i was using install cd, i couldn't install grub, so i had to use lilo instead |
| 17:26.14 | stew | whoamiii: is /boot on lvm? raid? |
| 17:26.17 | whoamiii | i prefer grub over lilo |
| 17:26.21 | format_c | but I do not exactly how to "make" kernel modules |
| 17:26.30 | whoamiii | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.33 | PsySine | stew: do you know how? |
| 17:26.34 | stew | whoamiii: that is why |
| 17:26.39 | stew | PsySine: no |
| 17:26.44 | format_c | I just modified one that were included in the kernel |
| 17:26.45 | whoamiii | stew: grub can't operate with raid? |
| 17:26.56 | stew | whoamiii: not afaik |
| 17:26.59 | PsySine | format_c: how did you build it? |
| 17:27.01 | stew | whoamiii: which is why the installer didn't offer it |
| 17:27.05 | AssociateX | is there a command to list available service? I just installed hplip and want to see if it or cups needs to be started |
| 17:27.20 | whoamiii | stew: what do you mean it wasn't offered? |
| 17:27.45 | whoamiii | stew: but i will test your theory |
| 17:27.53 | stew | whoamiii: as far as i know, the installer doesn't offer grub as an alternative when you install /boot onto lvm or raid |
| 17:27.54 | whoamiii | how do i disassemble a raid array? |
| 17:28.14 | stew | whoamiii: we are talking about software raid, right? |
| 17:28.18 | whoamiii | stew: but the grub bootloader install process was automatically selected |
| 17:28.19 | whoamiii | stew: yes |
| 17:28.31 | whoamiii | stew: only when that failed.. did i choose lilo |
| 17:28.35 | format_c | PsySine, as I described: downloaded the vanilla sources, go to the sources directory and then into the structure where the source file were located edited and build and install it in boot loader |
| 17:28.47 | format_c | AssociateX, aptitude install rcconf |
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| 17:29.25 | PsySine | format_c: ah you rebuilt the whole kernel? |
| 17:29.34 | format_c | jep |
| 17:29.43 | AssociateX | format_c: thanks a ton |
| 17:29.55 | format_c | AssociateX, too much :) |
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| 17:30.28 | format_c | PsySine, look into the kernel directory under "Documentation" Very well documented |
| 17:30.38 | format_c | Even with tutorials and howtoos |
| 17:30.43 | PsySine | format_c: ok I will, thanks :) |
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| 17:34.39 | whoamiii | guys, if i wanted to take apart a raid array (to make them two separate disks again,) how do i wipe them clean? or do i use mdadm? |
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| 17:36.33 | AssociateX | is locatedb called something different? I can't apt-get install locatedb |
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| 17:36.59 | cahoot | slocate? mlocate? |
| 17:37.10 | AssociateX | ah, duh, thanks |
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| 17:38.20 | abrotman | AssociateX: probably already installed .. try `updatedb` and `locate` |
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| 17:39.34 | zamuro | Ehm... |
| 17:39.46 | zamuro | rpm de fedora != rpm de mandriva |
| 17:39.57 | zamuro | TE recomiendo que instales desde fuentes si no consigues el rpm |
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| 17:40.48 | bvk | zamuro: in english please |
| 17:41.13 | zamuro | Damn... Wrong channel |
| 17:41.14 | zamuro | lol |
| 17:41.16 | zamuro | Sorry |
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| 17:41.22 | bvk | hehe |
| 17:41.24 | whiteflag | hi |
| 17:41.24 | Haris1 | how can one check timer frequency? |
| 17:41.36 | abrotman | stopwatch |
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| 17:41.59 | grand_grunt | How should I configure Gajim to NOT ask for a PGP keyring or something like that when I launch it? |
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| 17:42.30 | bvk | which timer? there are many timers... |
| 17:43.05 | azeem | grand_grunt: gnome-keyring maybe? |
| 17:43.05 | JW | Does anyone know of a specific modle of Dell PowerEdge server that runs the 64-bith version of etch? |
| 17:43.07 | format_c | the one next to your bed ;) |
| 17:43.18 | jcole | how do i turn "eval" on by default in my shell? for example, i do this: |
| 17:43.18 | jcole | export APTGET="apt-get -y"; $APTGET update |
| 17:43.18 | format_c | ? |
| 17:43.31 | azeem | jcole: I don't think you can |
| 17:43.52 | grand_grunt | Yes, I know it's because of gnome-keyring. But dependancies are made so that if I want to get ride of gnome-keyring, I have to uninstall gnome. |
| 17:44.07 | azeem | grand_grunt: why do you want to uninstall gnome-keyring? |
| 17:44.10 | Haris1 | stew: When browsing stops working via transparent proxy, I remove -j REDIRECT --to-ports and add -j ACCEPT and it starts working? What would be the cause of this? How would I explain this? What is happening in this situation? |
| 17:44.13 | jcole | for some reason,im now getting the error "bash: update: command not found"... i have to do this now for each command (notice the eval): |
| 17:44.13 | jcole | eval $APTGET update |
| 17:44.19 | jcole | azeem: it used to work |
| 17:44.24 | azeem | hrm |
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| 17:45.07 | azeem | grand_grunt: in any case, gnome is just a meta-package |
| 17:45.32 | Haris1 | anyone? |
| 17:45.50 | grand_grunt | azeem: I got no use of any keyring. just want to use simply Gajim: I give my password to log in, I give my jabber password to connect with gajim, I don't want to give another password. |
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| 17:46.39 | azeem | grand_grunt: so live with the gnome meta-package getting uninstalled |
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| 17:46.59 | azeem | for the next version of Debian, the keyring is hopefully getting unlocked by the gdm login |
| 17:47.25 | oooooow | hi guys, how do i get debian to autodetect other O/S in the system for grub menu, like the one in the livecd? |
| 17:47.42 | grand_grunt | azeem: Aouch. "aptitude purge gnome-keyring" wants to delete many many packages such as gdm, gnome-desktop-environment... |
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| 17:48.13 | azeem | grand_grunt: then maybe try to configure gajim such that it does not make use of gnome-keyring |
| 17:48.23 | grand_grunt | azeem: Is there a way (good or ugly) to get ride of gnome-keyring, I mean be sure it won't ask for no more password |
| 17:48.32 | azeem | it's rid, not ride, byt |
| 17:48.36 | azeem | btw* |
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| 17:48.48 | grand_grunt | azeem: Ok (I'm french) |
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| 17:49.08 | azeem | grand_grunt: the point of gnome-keyring is to ask for /less/ passwords, not more |
| 17:49.30 | sts | hello folks. |
| 17:49.49 | grand_grunt | azeem: woaw. I beg it need to be configured to get this result. |
| 17:50.15 | azeem | grand_grunt: I don't see how gdm depends on gnome-keyring anyway |
| 17:50.32 | azeem | grand_grunt: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:50.38 | grand_grunt | azeem: I agree with you, but dpkg seems to don't |
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| 17:50.50 | grand_grunt | azeem: Etch upgraded to Lenny |
| 17:50.57 | scout | xingu: you around today? |
| 17:51.01 | abrotman | !depends gdm lenny |
| 17:51.04 | dpkg | gdm: depends on adduser, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, gksu (>= 1.0.7), gnome-session | xterm | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator, libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.1), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.74), libdmx1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), ... |
| 17:51.07 | sts | i'm trying to figure out how grub is configured in debian etch, because the config line of "root" in my menu.lst looks incomplete. |
| 17:51.13 | azeem | grand_grunt: try to install libpam-gnome-keyring if it's not installed already |
| 17:51.23 | format_c | How can I change the password for gnome-keyring-manager? |
| 17:51.38 | sts | it just says "root" nothing else. so no partition or sortalike. |
| 17:51.42 | abrotman | gdm depends on gksu which depends on gnome-keyring |
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| 17:51.45 | stew | grand_grunt: aptitude is probably removing gnome, and therefore everything that was installed with gnome as a dependency, the things that you want to keep should be 'unmark'ed as being automatically installed with 'aptitude unmark packagename' |
| 17:51.51 | grand_grunt | azeem: it's installed. Maybe it's a matter of Gajim configuration |
| 17:51.58 | Haris1 | hello? |
| 17:52.00 | azeem | dunno |
| 17:52.06 | bvk | sts: what about groot tag ? |
| 17:52.10 | azeem | grand_grunt: read /usr/share/doc/libpam-gnome-keyring |
| 17:52.18 | azeem | grand_grunt: maybe you need to configure gdm to make use of it |
| 17:52.22 | azeem | or PAM |
| 17:52.37 | grand_grunt | azeem: I've find a way to ""fix"" it. |
| 17:52.50 | sts | bvk: it's empty |
| 17:53.10 | sts | bvk: so commented: # groot= |
| 17:53.15 | bvk | sts: interesting... |
| 17:53.44 | grand_grunt | azeem: I click on "refuse" when Gajim asks for a keyring password. The matter is that I have to refuse on each Gajim launch. |
| 17:53.54 | bvk | sts: its not comment, comments start with ## in debian's grub |
| 17:53.59 | grand_grunt | nevermind. Hope it'll be fixed. |
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| 17:54.12 | FordCortina | when i compile a kernel module how does it know where the sources are? |
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| 17:54.38 | azeem | grand_grunt: well, *shrug* then |
| 17:54.39 | sts | bvk: well, at least it doesn't have any value. =) |
| 17:54.39 | Haris1 | stew: I'm made a picture of wireshark catching packets for a URL that is not opening |
| 17:54.43 | stew | sts: that shoud have a # at the beginning of the line, but it should not be empty. those lines like # groot= and # kopt= are read by update-grub even if they are considered comments by grub itself |
| 17:54.45 | bvk | sts: they are comments to real grub, but are considered by update-grub utility |
| 17:54.45 | azeem | grand_grunt: not sure what you want to have fixed |
| 17:54.45 | oooooow | which package name will fetch Xorg for me? I want it minimal |
| 17:54.52 | kinneh | hi all anybody here experience complete system hang after starting vmware any version (tried player, ws, ws-beta, server1,2) virtual machine on a debian unstable amd64 machine ? |
| 17:55.20 | Haris1 | ..and now its opening |
| 17:55.29 | AssociateX | Yes! I got printing working already. |
| 17:55.45 | stew | oooooow: xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-video-$foo xbase-fonts xbase-utils at least, myabe more |
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| 17:57.40 | stew | oooooow: actually that should be xbase-client not xbase-utils |
| 17:58.13 | sts | bvk: i just saw i still have a kernel=/vmlinuz-versionxxx root=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 |
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| 17:58.25 | sts | bvk: so maybe this makes a root directive obsolete. |
| 17:58.52 | sts | bvk: anyways, it's using the wrong disk, which is actuall /dev/cciss/c0d1p1 instead of c0d0p1 |
| 17:59.04 | sts | bvk: do you know where update-grub gets this from? |
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| 17:59.37 | bvk | sts: could be. but i suspect if you run update-grub now it may remove the root= entry |
| 18:00.26 | format_c | sts, did you check the file /boot/grub/device.map? |
| 18:00.31 | stew | sts: from the # kopt= line, and you need both that root= and a root directive on the next line. one is for the kernel (from kopt=) and the other is for grub (from the # groot= line) |
| 18:00.44 | bvk | sts: update-grub looks at # groot=... value and creates kernel's root= option with groot value |
| 18:01.09 | stew | bvk: no, the kernel's root= comes from # kopt= |
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| 18:01.17 | bvk | sts: ok, i was wrong. |
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| 18:01.57 | bvk | stew: i shouldn't type lying on bed :) |
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| 18:02.25 | Asmooh | hi, i wonder.. its possible to install debian from SD card.. BUT.. the manual said zcat.. but how to work if you have a windows pc only.. |
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| 18:06.24 | Lethalman | hello |
| 18:06.31 | Lethalman | i installed a package using debi |
| 18:06.38 | Lethalman | then deleted .deb files |
| 18:06.56 | Lethalman | can i remove the package without building debs again? |
| 18:07.04 | stew | Lethalman: dpkg -r packagename |
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| 18:08.09 | Lethalman | stew, thanks very much! |
| 18:08.24 | stew | you're welcome |
| 18:08.47 | dirk_ | how do I remove a folder with stuff in it? |
| 18:08.47 | Lethalman | aah i have to specify the whole package with version too |
| 18:09.02 | Lethalman | i thought i had to have the debs for using dpkg -r :) |
| 18:09.02 | Lethalman | good to know |
| 18:09.03 | bvk | dirk_: rm -r |
| 18:09.03 | angryGhost | dirk_ rm -rf foldername |
| 18:09.09 | dirk_ | thanks! |
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| 18:10.03 | stew | Lethalman: no, you don't have to specify the package with version, just hte package name |
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| 18:10.46 | Lethalman | stew, ah maybe because the package is named with a major version -1.0-1 |
| 18:11.52 | sts | stew, bvk: well, doesn't help either. i updated this to the right disk, ran /usr/sbin/update-grub again, but i still just get a blank "grub >" prompt |
| 18:12.22 | stew | sts: show us your menu.lst ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:12.31 | sts | alright |
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| 18:16.11 | thechef | I forgot the name of that tool. You can use it to compile kernel modules and create packages. |
| 18:16.26 | stew | thechef: module-assistant |
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| 18:16.36 | thechef | stew: right, thanks |
| 18:17.26 | DimmuR | Hi all. I've to setup dns server on debian that works with win2k/2k3 active directory - but this debian dsn will be "primary dns". I read much about problems with bind so i'm asking if someone here have some experience with dns servers and maybye it's something better dhan bind that works great on debian? |
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| 18:17.51 | HelpMeTypeFaster | *djb* |
| 18:18.03 | HelpMeTypeFaster | thats the only other one _I_ have used besides bind |
| 18:18.19 | DimmuR | HelpMeTypeFaster, did you tried it with active directory? |
| 18:18.23 | HelpMeTypeFaster | no sir |
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| 18:18.40 | HelpMeTypeFaster | DimmuR maybe also don't forget to ask in ##windows |
| 18:18.51 | HelpMeTypeFaster | someone else on AD might have had to do this |
| 18:19.21 | HelpMeTypeFaster | stew hi |
| 18:19.21 | DimmuR | HelpMeTypeFaster, i'll check gogle against this server and activedirectory configuration |
| 18:19.28 | Haris1 | well, my Q was ignored |
| 18:19.36 | HelpMeTypeFaster | Haris1, which was? |
| 18:19.40 | sts | stew, bvk: http://rafb.net/p/ruu2LE36.html |
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| 18:19.53 | Haris1 | -> When browsing stops working via transparent proxy, I remove -j REDIRECT --to-ports and add -j ACCEPT and it starts working? What would be the cause of this? How would I explain this? What is happening in this situation? |
| 18:20.08 | stew | sts: # groot= is blank |
| 18:20.09 | kc | hi, does anyone know how to connect to a host through just the mac address in debian ? |
| 18:20.18 | zshzn | lol |
| 18:20.31 | HelpMeTypeFaster | kc in order to do what? |
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| 18:20.45 | mike23 | how do you edit /tc/sudoers.conf to able to use he sudo command wi a user (run as root)?? |
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| 18:21.01 | SamuraiDio | how do i install locales? |
| 18:21.07 | HelpMeTypeFaster | mike23 su to root, edit the file |
| 18:21.14 | stew | mike23: with "visudo" |
| 18:21.24 | HelpMeTypeFaster | mike23 or su to root, visudo |
| 18:21.26 | kc | HelpMeTypeFaster, I have 2 hosts on my network that share the same IP I don't know what hosts they are so I am trying to identify them and nmap cannot target mac. |
| 18:21.33 | sts | stew: yes, as i told you. where should it point to? |
| 18:21.34 | stew | sts: it should refer to something like "(hd0,0)" where hd0 is the device from device.map and ,0 refers to which partition on that drive contains the /boot partition |
| 18:21.38 | mike23 | yes, that far i've gotten, but what do you add to the file? |
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| 18:21.57 | Phil4 | kc, the IP protocol works in such a way that it requires the IP address of the destination machine |
| 18:22.01 | mecca_ | mike23, Giving user's root access to "vi" also gives them root access to anything else |
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| 18:22.39 | sts | so root (hd0,0) should point to the disk/partition where the content of /boot is located at. |
| 18:22.47 | Phil4 | so to connect via the mac address, it'd have to look it up in its ARP table anyway |
| 18:23.10 | sts | the "kernel" and "initrd" path is relative to that. |
| 18:23.19 | bvk | sts: yes |
| 18:23.25 | SamuraiDio | how do i install additional locales for the system: |
| 18:23.26 | sts | and root= should point to the real root partition. right? |
| 18:23.26 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 18:23.48 | malex | Who's taking care of lists.d.o/mailman i.e. who's behind listmaster@lists.debian.org? |
| 18:23.50 | sts | and root= is the only directive which is realated to the real root partition. |
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| 18:24.05 | mike23 | atm i have root ALL=(ALL) ALL in that file which line should I add for "user" to be able to run as root?, just the line |
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| 18:24.16 | bvk | sts: you should modify # groot= line to # groot=(hd0,0) or something similar and run update-grub |
| 18:24.25 | HelpMeTypeFaster | !info arp-scan |
| 18:24.28 | dpkg | arp-scan: (arp scanning and fingerprinting tool), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 472 kB |
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| 18:24.44 | sts | bvk: groot = boot partition? |
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| 18:24.56 | mecca_ | mike23, username ALL=/usr/bin/vi |
| 18:24.58 | Phil4 | mike23, user ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 18:25.00 | HelpMeTypeFaster | arp-scan --interface=eth0 --localnet |
| 18:25.02 | stew | sts: yes |
| 18:25.05 | HelpMeTypeFaster | eth whatever |
| 18:25.06 | mike23 | ty |
| 18:25.14 | Haris1 | how can I save kernel config so I can re-use it again, if I have to remove the kernel source tree, I'm configuring? |
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| 18:25.27 | mecca_ | mike23, But like I said, doing so will also allow them to run /bin/bash as root, effectively giving them complete root access. |
| 18:25.36 | stew | mike23: vi? that is rather arbitrary? |
| 18:25.43 | stew | mike23: nevermind |
| 18:25.50 | HelpMeTypeFaster | kc arp-scan |
| 18:25.50 | stew | mecca_: why are you putting /usr/bin/vi in there? |
| 18:26.05 | amphi | Haris1: if you built it with make-kpkg, the .config will be installed as /boot/config-$KERNEL_VERSION |
| 18:26.05 | bvk | Haris, backup the .config file somewhere else, thats it. |
| 18:26.10 | DimmuR | HelpMeTypeFaster, thanks for hint i'll check this djbdns tomorrow at work |
| 18:26.15 | HelpMeTypeFaster | kc arp-scan --interface=ethX --localnet |
| 18:26.19 | mike23 | but they would have to use the root password, not the user password, right? |
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| 18:26.27 | HelpMeTypeFaster | kc Starting arp-scan 1.5.2 with 256 hosts |
| 18:26.29 | HelpMeTypeFaster | ... etc. |
| 18:26.31 | stew | mike23: the user password |
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| 18:26.48 | mecca_ | stew, I thought he was asking how to give a user access to vi as root, my mistake if I misunderstood. |
| 18:26.50 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 18:26.54 | HardDisk_WP | i know that in a firmware file there are embedded several compressed archives |
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| 18:27.35 | HardDisk_WP | how can I scan for the magical bytes of these? |
| 18:27.35 | Haris1 | I'm running make menuconfig |
| 18:27.35 | HardDisk_WP | ohmygods, and i know they are GZIP |
| 18:27.35 | Haris1 | I'll save a copy of the config under /root |
| 18:27.35 | HardDisk_WP | sorry ohmygods ^ |
| 18:27.35 | mike23 | and if i wnat that user to use the root password to use sudo? |
| 18:27.35 | amphi | Haris1: so back up the .config in the toplevel kernel source directory |
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| 18:27.45 | sts | stew, bvk: alright. i'll give it a try. |
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| 18:27.55 | stew | mike23: you don't. if they know the root password, they just use su to become root |
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| 18:28.27 | mike23 | ahh, ok |
| 18:28.32 | mike23 | thank you |
| 18:28.34 | sts | stew, bvk: damn. still the grub> prompt, instead of the debian style boot menu. |
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| 18:28.56 | bvk | sts: what did u do exactly ? |
| 18:29.04 | sts | stew, bvk: i get an error when /usr/sbin/update-grub looks for the splash image, if this might be of relevance. |
| 18:29.45 | zyx386 | hi, i hav laptop hp G5000 and now i well sell my laptop, and i most remove debian and in install the orginal windows xp? |
| 18:29.51 | zyx386 | how can i that |
| 18:29.59 | sts | stew, bvk: oh. damn, i just noticed something. =) |
| 18:30.02 | bvk | sts: it shouldn't matter |
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| 18:31.11 | sts | bvk: i set it to (hd0,1) instead of, what should rather be correct, to (hd1,1) |
| 18:31.17 | bvk | sts: after looking at your menu.lst, it seems u have separate boot partition, in that case, your groot= value should be to your boot partition |
| 18:31.48 | zyx386 | ! remove debian |
| 18:31.48 | dpkg | somebody said remove debian was something i don't know |
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| 18:32.28 | bvk | sts: what is your boot partition? |
| 18:32.58 | zyx386 | how can i remove debian, because i sell my laptop :) |
| 18:33.10 | sts | /dev/cciss/c0d1p2 is boot and /dev/cciss/c0d1p1 is root. |
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| 18:34.03 | bvk | sts: oh...are they internal disk partitions ? |
| 18:34.35 | sts | bvk: internal disk partitions? like logical partitions? |
| 18:34.38 | abrotman | zyx386: just install windows |
| 18:34.45 | Skratz0r | abrotman; die |
| 18:34.47 | HelpMeTypeFaster | wtf |
| 18:34.55 | HelpMeTypeFaster | didyou just say.. hopefully kiddin |
| 18:34.56 | Skratz0r | zyx386; do rm -rf / |
| 18:35.02 | Saar | how can i find out if perl module Encode::Detect is in any debian package? |
| 18:35.12 | Saar | or any perl module for that matter |
| 18:35.13 | Skratz0r | Or; dd if=/dev/urandom of=/ |
| 18:35.14 | HelpMeTypeFaster | why are you giving bad advice? |
| 18:35.25 | Skratz0r | HelpMeTypeFaster; he must die, eh? |
| 18:35.33 | HelpMeTypeFaster | you are a tool. |
| 18:35.48 | bvk | sts: i mean local disk or SAN kind of disks? |
| 18:35.51 | HelpMeTypeFaster | zyx386 people will buy windows on a laptop |
| 18:35.53 | zyx386 | abrotman, thanx but if bot with windows finde any hardisk, because the F*** windows unknow the ex3 and swap |
| 18:35.58 | sts | Saar: well the modules are usually called like libencode-detect-perl |
| 18:36.08 | HelpMeTypeFaster | zyx386 so install a copy of windows and sell it |
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| 18:36.14 | sts | Saar: just search using aptitiude. aptitude search encode |
| 18:36.15 | Saar | sts: hm i see |
| 18:36.22 | suppaman | hello |
| 18:36.24 | HelpMeTypeFaster | zyx386 well, since you'll be using windows on it anyway, you can simply just wipe the partitions after you backup your data |
| 18:36.34 | zyx386 | HelpMeTypeFaster, i have the orginal windows with laptop |
| 18:36.39 | HelpMeTypeFaster | zyx386 you need to check out ##windows |
| 18:36.47 | HelpMeTypeFaster | this is not debian support related |
| 18:36.49 | sts | bvk: HP smart array, 2x SAS discs in mirror set. |
| 18:36.59 | zyx386 | aha ok sorry |
| 18:37.01 | sts | s/discs/disks/ |
| 18:37.04 | HelpMeTypeFaster | no problem |
| 18:37.07 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 18:37.15 | stew | zyx386: if you just want to wipe the disk, boot a livecd and run "cp /dev/zero /dev/hda" assuming hda is the hard disk you are trying to wipe |
| 18:37.18 | Saar | i find these: crip libmail-verp-perl libmime-base32-perl yaret |
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| 18:37.26 | Saar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:37.40 | zyx386 | ok i do it |
| 18:37.55 | HelpMeTypeFaster | ok |
| 18:38.01 | HelpMeTypeFaster | back to fixing this dude's computer |
| 18:38.09 | HelpMeTypeFaster | later |
| 18:38.16 | bvk | sts: oh i am not sure whether grub can recogzine them or not :( |
| 18:38.41 | stew | it can |
| 18:39.25 | sts | bvk: well, it did for the initial setup. but now, i moved the system to another disk array, so from c0d0 to c0d1, and now i'm trying to restore the boot config. |
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| 18:39.37 | bvk | stew: how can we know the grub partition identifiers for them? |
| 18:39.57 | stew | bvk: by looking at device.map |
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| 18:40.33 | Saar | i think it's not in the debian repository |
| 18:40.37 | bvk | sts: can u show us your device.map file |
| 18:40.49 | Saar | apt-cache search encode|grep perl yields no rersults either |
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| 18:41.02 | sts | bvk: (hd0) /dev/cciss/c0d1 |
| 18:41.04 | simonrvn | Saar: what are you looking for? |
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| 18:41.24 | Saar | perl module Encode::Detect |
| 18:41.33 | sts | bvk: ah, so the device.map is the file, grub uses to determine which (hdN,N) is which device. |
| 18:41.41 | stew | sts: yes |
| 18:41.48 | simonrvn | Saar: you may have to get it built via dh-make-perl |
| 18:41.49 | Haris1 | ok, I have completed the make menuconfig step |
| 18:41.53 | Haris1 | What do I do next ? |
| 18:41.54 | sts | so hd0,0 and hd0,1 should be correct. |
| 18:42.01 | sts | points to the right partition |
| 18:42.04 | sts | err |
| 18:42.05 | sts | disk |
| 18:42.10 | simonrvn | !dh-make-perl |
| 18:42.11 | dpkg | from memory, dh-make-perl is a packaged script that converts Perl modules snagged from CPAN into .deb archives. You get to use CPAN archives, Debian's dependencies stay in one piece, everybody's happy. |
| 18:42.16 | Saar | i don't know that tool |
| 18:42.18 | simonrvn | !info dh-make-perl etch |
| 18:42.20 | dpkg | dh-make-perl: (Create debian packages from perl modules), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.25 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 18:42.21 | raphi | which archichitecture shall I use with an 'Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz0? It supports 64bit and it's a dualcore. |
| 18:42.23 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 18:42.24 | Saar | ah i see |
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| 18:42.33 | bvk | sts: should be. give it a try |
| 18:42.38 | simonrvn | very handy ;) |
| 18:42.48 | Saar | simonrvn: thanks :) |
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| 18:42.52 | simonrvn | np |
| 18:43.10 | bvk | sts: set # groot = (hd0,0) and run update-grub |
| 18:43.50 | Haris1 | enouf: What's the next step in compiling kernel after make menuconfg? |
| 18:43.55 | Haris1 | menuconfig+ |
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| 18:44.02 | aszxc | hi |
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| 18:44.05 | zinx | Haris1: man make-kpkg |
| 18:44.06 | aszxc | i have two IP addresses |
| 18:44.14 | bvk | Haris1: make all |
| 18:44.21 | aszxc | (using virtual interface resp. interface alias eth0:1) |
| 18:44.36 | aszxc | and all my application (for example postfix) are connecting FROM eth0:1 |
| 18:44.42 | aszxc | i want from them to connect from eth0 |
| 18:44.49 | zinx | Haris1: assuming this is a Debian system, you should build the package with make-kpkg, which will properly package it and such |
| 18:44.52 | aszxc | how can i set eth0 as default for everything ? |
| 18:44.54 | simonrvn | so tell them to do that |
| 18:44.54 | stew | aszxc: are they both on the same subnet? |
| 18:44.58 | aszxc | yes |
| 18:45.00 | Haris1 | bvk: make-kpkg comes after make all? |
| 18:45.07 | zinx | Haris1: make all never happens |
| 18:45.09 | aszxc | stew yes |
| 18:45.12 | zinx | Haris1: make-kpkg builds it for you |
| 18:45.17 | stew | hmm |
| 18:45.30 | Haris1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 18:45.39 | Haris1 | Now, compile the kernel: fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 18:45.49 | torrrr | anyone know pgAdmin for postgresql, and about this: "The server lacks instrumentation functions" |
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| 18:45.50 | Haris1 | I don't want to use the revision option |
| 18:45.52 | torrrr | ? |
| 18:45.56 | Haris1 | just simply use make-kpkg |
| 18:46.00 | zinx | Haris1: you don't have to, but it defaults to something like 10.00_Custom |
| 18:46.12 | bvk | Haris1: i thought you were building the kernel without make-kpkg. With make-kpkg, ignore my suggestion :) |
| 18:46.22 | zinx | you don't want to build it without make-kpkg on Debian :? |
| 18:46.25 | zinx | erh, :/ |
| 18:46.29 | Haris1 | bvk: I started from scratch. Just completed the first step (make menuconfig) |
| 18:46.30 | sts | bvk: is there anything else which might refer to my old disk? |
| 18:46.42 | aszxc | stew IPs: x.x.226.68 and x.x.226.82 mask 255.255.255.0 (x.x are same for both) |
| 18:47.04 | stew | aszxc: when you run "ip a" which one is listed first? |
| 18:47.14 | Haris1 | saved a copy of the config in /root, so I won't have to go through make menuconfig again |
| 18:47.31 | aszxc | stew in which package is this command ? |
| 18:47.33 | bvk | sts: nothing else :) |
| 18:47.39 | aszxc | stew i don't have it installed |
| 18:48.02 | Haris1 | fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image <- will create 1) bzimage (zipped kernel) 2) make initrd files? 3) After this I'll just need to run update-grub to finish it off? |
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| 18:48.55 | stew | Haris1: it doens't create an inird. you'd have to install the .deb it builds, and THEN the initrd is created |
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| 18:49.04 | stew | aszxc: iproute |
| 18:49.13 | zinx | Haris1: it will generate .debs which you install. the menu.list should be updated automatically when you do that. |
| 18:49.30 | aszxc | stew ok, mmt |
| 18:49.36 | sts | bvk: what about running grub-install? |
| 18:49.49 | stew | sts: you dont' have to, it's already installed |
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| 18:50.06 | bvk | sts: if you are getting grub> prompt means, its properly installed already |
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| 18:50.31 | aszxc | stew tis command print two 'inet' lines for eth0, the first has that 'wrong' IP |
| 18:51.31 | Haris1 | Failed to create a ./debian directory: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/make-kpkg line 1096. |
| 18:51.39 | stew | aszxc: yeah, ok, so the 'wrong' on is now default. i would guess (and this is a guess) that they are being brought up in the wrong order (though it seems like eth0:1 shouldn't be able to come up before eth0). does perhaps "auto eth0:1" appear before "auto eth0"? |
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| 18:51.46 | zeitsofas | i have some problems with recordmydesktop. if i try to record the complete screen, recordmydeskt only record 75% from the screen. i have a dualview with 2 monitors an lenny (same problem wuth etch), did anyone have an idea what i can do to record the complete screen ? |
| 18:52.02 | sts | bvk: what about the missing splash image? |
| 18:52.03 | Haris1 | ./usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:53: No .config file found |
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| 18:52.11 | chops | zeitsofas: Checked the BTS? |
| 18:52.12 | Haris1 | ./usr/share/kernel-package/ruleset/minimal.mk:98: *** Please create a .config file. Stop. |
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| 18:52.31 | zeitsofas | chops ? i dont know what you mean :( |
| 18:52.37 | chops | !tell zeitsofas about bts |
| 18:52.46 | RoyK | How does Debian compare with Ubuntu server? |
| 18:52.47 | Haris1 | why does it give me this error? |
| 18:52.57 | Haris1 | I'm running -> # make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 18:53.05 | stew | Haris1: does '.config' exist in the directory where you are running it? |
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| 18:53.12 | Haris1 | nope |
| 18:53.14 | stew | Haris1: does the # there indicate that you are runnign this as root? |
| 18:53.16 | stew | Haris1: it needs to |
| 18:53.20 | Haris1 | stew: yes |
| 18:53.23 | aszxc | stew where should i look for that 'auto' ? |
| 18:53.25 | stew | Haris1: you shouldn't |
| 18:53.29 | Haris1 | where do I get the .config from? |
| 18:53.36 | zinx | stew: naw, you can use fakeroot with make-kpkg |
| 18:53.39 | stew | Haris1: 'make menuconfig' usually |
| 18:53.47 | Haris1 | I did! run it |
| 18:53.50 | zeitsofas | chops ?? |
| 18:53.50 | chops | zinx: He meant you need to have a .config, not you need to be root |
| 18:53.52 | stew | zinx: yes, and you should do this instead of running 'make-kpkg' as root |
| 18:54.13 | aszxc | stew maybe the problem is the way i'm enabling the eth0:1 |
| 18:54.16 | zinx | stew: oh, i read there that the # needs to indicated that you're running it as root :x |
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| 18:54.27 | stew | aszxc: show us your /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:54.35 | Haris1 | so, what do I do about the .config? |
| 18:54.38 | chops | zeitsofas: Debian has a bug tracking system which keeps track of problems with Debian software. If Debian software isn't working properly the first step is often to check the BTS and/or file a new bug describing the problem that you're having |
| 18:54.51 | chops | zeitsofas: Are you running dualview from the binary nvidia driver? |
| 18:54.53 | Haris1 | I saved a copy of the kernel config in /root. Should I copy it to ./.config ? |
| 18:54.54 | bvk | sts: we can about the splash image :) |
| 18:55.06 | bvk | s/about/ignore about/ |
| 18:55.06 | stew | Haris1: yes. |
| 18:55.32 | Haris1 | what's the advantage of having fakeroot? |
| 18:55.45 | zeitsofas | chops ah ok thx for info ;) hmm true i have the binary nvidia driver |
| 18:55.49 | valdyn | Haris1: not having to use root |
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| 18:56.06 | stew | Haris1: being able to create .debs that contain root owned files without needing to be root to create them |
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| 18:56.18 | aszxc | stew http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7952/ |
| 18:56.25 | Haris1 | that went over my head, *laugh* |
| 18:56.52 | sts | bvk: still doesn't work. :( |
| 18:56.54 | chops | zeitsofas: I remember dualview being a little crazy; the problem might be related to something the nvidia driver is doing (i.e. unfixable by Debian). I still think it may be worth filing a bug, though; you may want to mention you're running the nvidia driver as well. |
| 18:56.59 | Haris1 | ah, its midnight already |
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| 18:57.05 | sts | bvk: i still get the grub> prompt. |
| 18:57.09 | stew | aszxc: i don't see eth0:1 inthere at all, how are you bringing it up? |
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| 18:57.30 | aszxc | stew via init.d script (ifconfig eth0:1 up etc.) |
| 18:57.32 | bvk | sts: if u are at grub> prompt... type root ( and couple of tabs |
| 18:57.37 | Haris1 | running -> make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 18:57.44 | bvk | sts: what do u see? |
| 18:57.59 | stew | aszxc: you should add it to /etc/network/interfaces after eth0 instead |
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| 18:58.23 | Haris1 | its going to take a full 2-3 hrs to build :| especially on a PIII |
| 18:58.24 | sts | root (hd0, \n Possible partitions are: |
| 18:58.33 | gustavonarea | Hello. What command can I use to find the files that contain the word "xml"? I tried `find', but couldn't know how to make it work that way. Thanks in advance. |
| 18:58.39 | sts | 0,1 are listed as ext3 |
| 18:58.43 | zeitsofas | chops hmmm ok |
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| 18:59.09 | valdyn | gustavonarea: grep -R xml / |
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| 18:59.29 | aszxc | stew how should i add it there so the default will be eth0 ? |
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| 18:59.45 | gustavonarea | valdyn: OK, thank you! |
| 18:59.45 | bvk | sts: okay then, try #groot=(hd0,1) this time. |
| 18:59.49 | Phil4 | gustavonarea, find | grep 'xml' <-- if you want to search the file names only |
| 18:59.58 | Haris1 | what's the max flash size on 2621xm ? |
| 19:00.00 | Phil4 | or valdyn's suggestion if you want to search inside the files |
| 19:00.02 | Haris1 | oops |
| 19:00.14 | stew | aszxc: jsut add it after eth0. add it just like the eth0 entry but use eth0:1. except eth0:1 shoud not have a gateway. i'd recommend changing "allow-hotplug" to "auto" |
| 19:00.32 | gustavonarea | Phil4: No, not the filenames. I want the filenames of the files that contain the word "xml" |
| 19:00.35 | stew | aszxc: i'd also recommend removing 'network' and 'broadcast' lines. they are not needed |
| 19:00.46 | stew | aszxc: and eth0:1 would not need the dns- lines |
| 19:01.01 | Phil4 | ok gustavonarea, then valdyn's suggestion will work great :) |
| 19:01.21 | gustavonarea | PhilKC: OK, thanks! |
| 19:01.24 | aszxc | stew ok, i will try this. thnx very much |
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| 19:03.30 | bvk | sts: i am going to sleep now. i hope u understand that we were trying to get correct partition number for grub here. try all possible options if u can. good night. |
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| 19:03.52 | suppaman | I've got a question not debian-related, anyone working in electronic? |
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| 19:05.01 | sts | bvk: thank you. good night. |
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| 19:06.33 | Haris1 | how do I configure an interface to stay down on bootup? |
| 19:06.57 | suppaman | Haris1: don't set it to "auto" in interfaces |
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| 19:07.22 | stew | Haris1: remove the 'auto' or 'allow-hotplug' line from /etc/network/interfaces causing it to be brought up |
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| 19:08.13 | Haris1 | well, I can see no line for it |
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| 19:08.55 | aszxc | stew where can i find docs about /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
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| 19:09.12 | suppaman | Haris1: using some gnome-evil-autotool? |
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| 19:09.21 | suppaman | aszxc: man interfaces |
| 19:09.35 | aszxc | thnx |
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| 19:09.53 | Haris1 | Yes, I have config info for the interface (ip, netmask, default gw, nameservers), but I want it not to be brought up |
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| 19:11.27 | benjick | Where can i get the default sources.list? |
| 19:11.46 | stew | benjick: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 19:11.50 | benjick | thanks |
| 19:11.57 | stew | benjick: there isn't a default per-se |
| 19:12.13 | Haris1 | yes, there is one, that comes with the OS out of the box |
| 19:12.44 | grand_grunt | Where are icons in Debian? /usr/share and.. ? |
| 19:12.59 | stew | Haris1: but there isn't a default, it depends on which installer you used and which options you chose |
| 19:13.11 | stew | grand_grunt: /usr/share/icons |
| 19:13.22 | grand_grunt | stew: lol. Thx ! |
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| 19:13.39 | Haris1 | its in fs/jfs atm |
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| 19:14.12 | benjick | stew: Oh, i dnd't know :) |
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| 19:17.51 | heh | hi |
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| 19:18.22 | grand_grunt | stew: Hum. I've installed iceweasel on XFCE and can't find its icon |
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| 19:19.18 | stew | grand_grunt: dpkg -L iceweasel | grep icon |
| 19:19.21 | grand_grunt | stew: found them. in "scalable" |
| 19:19.56 | grand_grunt | stew: I thank there where some icons in "36*36", seems they all are scalable.. |
| 19:20.24 | stew | grand_grunt: did you try the command i suggested? |
| 19:20.40 | stew | grand_grunt: where is this icon appearing? in an xfce menu? |
| 19:21.10 | Haris1 | wireshark images to an IP (202.59.80.79) when browsing wasn't working. http://202.59.70.58/ws1.png and http://202.59.70.58/ws2.png |
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| 19:22.20 | sts | stew: would be please have another look at this: http://rafb.net/p/tj7TQB49.html |
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| 19:22.35 | sts | stew: i don't see whats wrong with my config.. |
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| 19:23.25 | sts | stew: when i do it like described in "------- WHAT WORKS ON THE BOOT PROMPT ------- |
| 19:23.38 | sts | " everything works as expected. |
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| 19:25.03 | stew | sts: and the only difference there is 'ro'? |
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| 19:25.15 | grand_grunt | stew: In the XFCE pannel. I add some apps and delete other ones. |
| 19:25.42 | grand_grunt | And when I add a launcher, I add the icon of the app.. |
| 19:25.49 | sts | stew: that can't be the reason why grub doesn't show up the fancy debian prompt. |
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| 19:26.17 | sts | stew: i suppose grub isn't installed correctly. |
| 19:26.20 | user438df | whenever I use a video driver in the console, my virtual terminals all go weird; they show lines off dots. They are responsive and I can enter commands blindly. Help on resetting driver? |
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| 19:28.14 | user438df | or point to a man page... |
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| 19:29.46 | sts | i dont' get it |
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| 19:32.39 | empiric | hi any one works on gosa |
| 19:32.42 | empiric | with ldap |
| 19:32.43 | empiric | ? |
| 19:33.20 | twobitwork | has anyone else noticed that flash plugin in iceweasel seem the layer above everything else? I.e., sites with js drop down menus, the menus will go below the flash applet |
| 19:33.38 | twobitwork | s/the/to |
| 19:33.45 | Limbeaux | anybody familiar with the proftpd-mysql package? |
| 19:34.14 | AssociateX | ah crud, apt-get install openoffice.org crashed at "Updating fontconfig cache... /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu: failed to write cache" Now why would it go and do that? |
| 19:34.31 | AssociateX | 99% done too |
| 19:34.31 | SamuraiDio | whre goes the server name and domain configuration? |
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| 19:35.50 | Asmooh | hmm i have a problem.. i did zcat boot.ext > /dev/sdb and then install-mbr /dev/sdb |
| 19:36.03 | Asmooh | but when i boot from the disk i get a mbr error? |
| 19:36.07 | valdyn | AssociateX: disk full |
| 19:36.11 | timonator | dpkg: reconfigure xorg |
| 19:36.21 | AssociateX | valdyn: I don't think so |
| 19:36.22 | Limbeaux | better question - i have to give other people the ability to add users to pro/mysql and was wondering is there a php/cgi interface to this app? |
| 19:36.28 | timonator | hm |
| 19:36.31 | AssociateX | valdyn: I checked, no |
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| 19:41.17 | sebas891 | hey folks! |
| 19:41.21 | sebas891 | Warning: mb_ereg_replace() [function.mb-ereg-replace]: mbregex compile err: premature end of char-class in /usr/share/phpmyadmin/libraries/check_user_privileges.lib.php on line 58 |
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| 19:41.32 | sebas891 | any idea? on debian etch and php5 |
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| 19:41.52 | ootput | hi guys, i'm just wondering which course of action to take to install nvidia drivers on lenny amd64 |
| 19:42.29 | zinx | nvidia drivers are not easy in testing at the moment |
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| 19:43.23 | Asmooh | eh wtf? i get a error with partition starting after blabla ? |
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| 19:43.46 | Asmooh | i do what the debian howto thing said to do ;/ |
| 19:43.51 | Asmooh | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#usb-add-iso |
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| 19:45.18 | Asmooh | lol nice howto guys, how ti kill your disk in one step |
| 19:45.36 | Asmooh | well just read debian howtos |
| 19:45.38 | ootput | zinx: i'm trying to do it manually |
| 19:45.39 | bahadunn | Asmooh: did you kill your disk? |
| 19:45.43 | Asmooh | yup |
| 19:45.51 | bahadunn | Asmooh: how did you manage that? |
| 19:45.55 | ootput | zinx: rdonald's advice doesn't work for me atm |
| 19:46.00 | Asmooh | even when i format the disk in windows linux wont cfdisk it anymore |
| 19:46.00 | zinx | ootput: that's a good way to break your system |
| 19:46.01 | bahadunn | Asmooh: also what make/model of disk do you have? |
| 19:46.14 | ootput | zinx: how do you suggest i proceed? |
| 19:46.19 | Asmooh | eh just a simple maxtor 4.3gb.. it was for install linux from usb |
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| 19:46.23 | zinx | ootput: figure out how to get the debian packages working |
| 19:46.28 | zinx | ootput: it may not be easy with testing :x |
| 19:46.30 | ootput | zinx: what did you mean by 'nvidia drivers are not easy in testing at the moment' |
| 19:46.37 | zinx | ootput: nvidia-glx isn't in testing |
| 19:46.46 | bahadunn | Asmooh: that has to be a rather old disk |
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| 19:47.00 | lostson | is there a gnome backport ? |
| 19:47.03 | Asmooh | bahadunn, enough for installing FROM it |
| 19:47.14 | bahadunn | Asmooh: maybe it just died of old age |
| 19:47.16 | AssociateX | apt-get install openoffice.org crashed at "Updating fontconfig cache... /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu: failed to write cache" so I tried to installed just ttf-dejavu and got the same looking crash... http://rafb.net/p/PXEHIj70.html |
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| 19:47.17 | stew | Asmooh: what error are you getting? |
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| 19:47.52 | Asmooh | stew, bad primary partition, partition begins after end of disk |
| 19:48.01 | stew | Asmooh: with what command? |
| 19:48.04 | Asmooh | yep |
| 19:48.06 | Asmooh | eh |
| 19:48.09 | Asmooh | moment |
| 19:48.13 | Asmooh | # zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 19:48.19 | Asmooh | # install-mbr /dev/sda |
| 19:48.24 | Asmooh | those two |
| 19:48.44 | ootput | zinx: how'd u get it to work? module-assistant? |
| 19:49.05 | stew | Asmooh: which method are you trying to follow. it seems like you are trying to follow both at the same time |
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| 19:49.21 | stew | Asmooh: you should be doing 4.4.1 OR 4.4.2, not both |
| 19:49.26 | Asmooh | oh |
| 19:49.26 | Asmooh | ;/ |
| 19:49.41 | Asmooh | If your system refuses to boot from the memory stick, the stick may contain an invalid master boot record (MBR). To fix this, use the install-mbr command from the package mbr: |
| 19:49.48 | Asmooh | because of that |
| 19:49.51 | Asmooh | i thought maybe also |
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| 19:50.37 | zinx | ootput: i use unstable :/ |
| 19:50.48 | HardDisk_WP | i know that in a firmware file there are embedded several compressed archives...how do I scan for the magical bytes of GZIP? |
| 19:51.56 | Asmooh | stew, so the onlything i have to do is the zcat and put the .iso on it.. right? |
| 19:52.04 | stew | Asmooh: yes |
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| 19:52.06 | Asmooh | ok |
| 19:52.18 | Asmooh | not the initrd files and vmlinuz? |
| 19:52.34 | Saar | anyone know a bugzill;a related channel? I upgraded bugzilla from 2.20 to 3.03 and all is fine except the emails it sends out have only this in the body: SCALAR(0xd43c80) |
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| 19:52.38 | stew | Asmooh: no, the boot.img.gz is the initrd and vmlinuz |
| 19:52.45 | Asmooh | ok ok :) |
| 19:52.57 | Asmooh | and the .iso just in the root of the disk? |
| 19:53.02 | stew | Asmooh: yes |
| 19:53.19 | Asmooh | tx |
| 19:53.23 | Asmooh | im going to test :P |
| 19:53.29 | Phase | Is pidgin in any of the repositories? I couldn't find it in the default ones.. |
| 19:53.48 | chops | Saar: Did you upgrade using the Debian package? |
| 19:53.48 | lostson | its in backports |
| 19:53.57 | chops | Phase: It may be called gaim in etch |
| 19:53.58 | SamuraiDio | whre goes the server name and domain configuration? |
| 19:54.07 | Phase | Ahh. |
| 19:54.09 | stew | Phase: you are running etch aka stable/ |
| 19:54.11 | stew | ? |
| 19:54.13 | Phase | Yep. |
| 19:54.22 | Phase | 4.0.somethingorother |
| 19:54.26 | stew | Phase: there is gaim in etch or pidgin in backports: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:54.34 | Saar | chops: no since the debian stable version is 2.22.1 and 2.22.3 has important security fixes |
| 19:54.35 | Phase | alright, thanks |
| 19:54.38 | Saar | and 3.03 |
| 19:54.53 | AssociateX | ok, I'm getting the same error after everything I install now, http://rafb.net/p/PXEHIj70.html |
| 19:55.16 | chops | Saar: Debian uses backported security fixes, not new versions. You should not compare version numbers and conclude that a Debian package is insecure because it's older than the secure version. |
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| 19:55.41 | stew | Saar: do you know the mitre IDs for the security fixes you are after? |
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| 19:55.51 | chops | Saar: Of course, if you do know of a security problem that's not fixed in Debian, please do let us know. |
| 19:55.54 | Phase | What's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 19:56.10 | Saar | chops: ok i see |
| 19:56.12 | stew | Phase: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 19:56.16 | themill | !why aptitude |
| 19:56.16 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 19:56.18 | Phase | thanks again stew |
| 19:56.25 | Saar | anyways I upgraded to 3.03 which i believe is not in stable |
| 19:56.38 | chops | AssociateX: Is /usr full by any chance? |
| 19:56.58 | Eulex | Saar, emh, 3.0r3? |
| 19:57.01 | AssociateX | chops: first thing I checked and no |
| 19:57.05 | AssociateX | new install btw |
| 19:57.06 | Saar | i never found aptitude to be very useful, it really was in the way of doing anything |
| 19:57.08 | dustybin | ubuntu is based on debian, exactly what parts of debian is ubuntu based on? |
| 19:57.16 | stew | dustybin: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:57.17 | Phase | ok, what bot software is dpkg? custom? |
| 19:57.22 | dustybin | ok |
| 19:57.24 | chops | !dpkg |
| 19:57.24 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.. |
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| 19:57.28 | stew | Phase: infobot |
| 19:57.34 | Saar | Eulex: bugzilla-3.0.3 as downloaded from bugzilla.org |
| 19:57.40 | Phase | ah |
| 19:57.50 | Saar | hence my question if anyone knows a bugzilla related channel, #bugzilla is empty |
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| 19:58.02 | Eulex | Saar, ah, bugzilla, not debian. nvm then. |
| 19:58.10 | Saar | yeah :) |
| 19:58.16 | dondelelcaro | Saar: someone isn't dereferencing a scalar; file a bug against bugzilla |
| 19:58.20 | stew | Phase: its in the repositories as blootbot |
| 19:58.20 | dustybin | is bugzillla a bit like svn? |
| 19:58.21 | Hilaus | hello, what I have to add to sources.list to be able to install 'msttcorefonts' ? |
| 19:58.27 | Saar | dondelelcaro: hah ;-) |
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| 19:58.40 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: no |
| 19:58.42 | Asmooh | stew, well i tried your way, but i get "boot error" nothing more, nothing less |
| 19:58.43 | Phase | stew: nice, i usually stick to my eggdrops, but I may check it out. |
| 19:59.26 | stew | Asmooh: then try 4.4.2 |
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| 19:59.33 | Asmooh | ok |
| 19:59.36 | chops | AssociateX: Is it out of inodes by any chance? You may be able to figure out what command updates the fontconfig cache and run it by hand under strace to figure out exactly what the failure is. |
| 19:59.37 | dustybin | how long into the future will debian last for? |
| 19:59.44 | stew | dustybin: indefinately |
| 19:59.53 | chops | dustybin: Only until next week, sorry |
| 20:00.03 | dustybin | ! |
| 20:00.10 | AssociateX | chops: how would I check the inodes? |
| 20:00.23 | cloakable | dustybin: Then debian merges into Ubuntu |
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| 20:01.01 | stew | AssociateX: "df -i" but if this is a new install i'd be very suprised if you were out of inodes, unless you created a couple million little files since installing it a few hours ago |
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| 20:01.53 | Asmooh | eh |
| 20:01.58 | Asmooh | and i killed my disk again? |
| 20:02.04 | AssociateX | stew: chops: df -i shows that everything is almost free |
| 20:02.05 | chops | AssociateX: Also, you could check if /usr is mounted read-only for some reason (possibly because of I/O errors) |
| 20:02.05 | Asmooh | even without the install-mbr |
| 20:02.08 | stew | Asmooh: what makes you say that? |
| 20:02.19 | Asmooh | stew the partition error? |
| 20:02.27 | stew | Asmooh: what command gives you the partition error? |
| 20:02.34 | AssociateX | chops: /dev/hdd5 on /usr type ext3 (rw) |
| 20:02.38 | Asmooh | cfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 20:02.50 | Asmooh | fatel error |
| 20:03.24 | spx2 | what tools should I use ? |
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| 20:03.43 | stew | Asmooh: try "cfdisk -z /dev/sdb" the -z telling it to start with a zero'd partition table, since you dont' currently have a partition table |
| 20:03.43 | spx2 | what docs should I read to know how to resize partitions ? |
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| 20:03.58 | spx2 | stew: how do I resize a partition |
| 20:04.01 | spx2 | stew: ? |
| 20:04.11 | AssociateX | chops: how can I tell with apt if fontconfig is installed, I see that it is available |
| 20:04.19 | AssociateX | but I can tell if it's installed |
| 20:04.23 | AssociateX | cant* |
| 20:04.24 | stew | spx2: are you increasing it in size or decreasing it? and what is on it currently? |
| 20:04.36 | chops | AssociateX: fontconfig is installed; that's the step that dpkg is trying to do that's failing to write caches |
| 20:04.52 | AssociateX | ok |
| 20:05.06 | AssociateX | I don't have a command fontconfig available though |
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| 20:05.29 | Rat409 | AssociateX: fc-cache -vf |
| 20:05.40 | chops | AssociateX: Right, that's why I said "You may be able to figure out what command updates the fontconfig cache and run it by hand under strace to figure out exactly what the failure is.", rather than "the command is fontconfig". |
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| 20:05.45 | Saar | [Thu Apr 24 13:05:10 2008] [error] [client 10.1.1.127] [Thu Apr 24 13:05:10 2008] process_bug.cgi: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Email/MIME/ContentType.pm line 24., referer: http:// |
| 20:05.53 | Saar | looks like a perl module problem |
| 20:06.06 | Saar | blargh |
| 20:06.45 | AssociateX | chops: he he, ok, thank you. Rat409: fc-cache -vf <--- that worked thank you |
| 20:06.55 | chops | AssociateX: np |
| 20:07.01 | Rat409 | sure :) |
| 20:07.22 | dustybin | i asked the guys in ubuntu and they said apt and xorg was taken from debian |
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| 20:08.27 | AssociateX | Yippy! everything is good again |
| 20:08.34 | chops | dustybin: Basically everything in Ubuntu is taken from Debian, all of it modified to a greater or lesser extent by the Ubuntu developers |
| 20:08.40 | chops | AssociateX: \o/ |
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| 20:09.10 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 20:09.57 | seeds | debian is the godfather. the ultimate u know |
| 20:10.16 | dustybin | well thats the nature of open-source, stuff moves around |
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| 20:10.28 | themill | !ot |
| 20:10.28 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:10.39 | chops | dustybin: Ay, that's the way it's supposed to be |
| 20:10.43 | Asmooh | stew, with the second option, do i need the install-mbr also? |
| 20:10.45 | dustybin | yup |
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| 20:11.10 | stew | Asmooh: i don't know, what does it say? |
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| 20:11.24 | Asmooh | only when it doesnt want to boot from usb |
| 20:11.35 | poseidon | Is there a way you can get debian with gcc pre-installed (with it's dependencies), or a way I can install it and it's dependencies offline? |
| 20:11.38 | stew | Asmooh: well yes, it must, since you've overwritten the mbr |
| 20:11.48 | chops | poseidon: apt-offline |
| 20:11.48 | nullfs | is there a default .config that includes everything somewhere? the docs say /usr/src/config-<kernel version> but I don't have anything there so I think that is only if you already had a .config. I tried make oldconfig and it did create a .config but it doesn't really include anything. |
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| 20:12.05 | Asmooh | ok, and the second thing is.. on the download dir there isnt a syslinux.cfg file |
| 20:12.08 | Rat409 | poseidon: apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:12.14 | Asmooh | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 20:12.17 | nullfs | I just want it to include everything by default and use that |
| 20:12.18 | Asmooh | noting there |
| 20:12.22 | Saar | is the "~" in $ct =~ m[ ^ ($discrete) / ($composite) \s* ($params)? $ ]x valid? |
| 20:12.22 | chops | nullfs: Each kernel image package and kernel header package includes the config |
| 20:12.39 | chops | nullfs: There is no "everything by default" in a Linux kernel config. There's allyesconfig, but you don't really want that. |
| 20:12.48 | Saar | thats perl, just wondering if =~ is correct |
| 20:12.52 | chops | nullfs: I would use the config for your kernel (from /boot) |
| 20:12.56 | poseidon | Rat409, Won't that just give me a list of it's dependencies? |
| 20:13.00 | jaketodd | can anyone help me figure out how to install ndiswrapper? |
| 20:13.08 | AssociateX | I take it iceape is suggested over mozilla, correct? |
| 20:13.25 | nullfs | chops: will do, thanks. |
| 20:13.40 | chops | AssociateX: iceape is the Debian name for Mozilla |
| 20:14.00 | poseidon | Rat409, and I think those dependencies will have dependencies, so it would take forever to download all of them indipendently. |
| 20:14.18 | AssociateX | chops: oh, ok, thank you again |
| 20:14.18 | Asmooh | going to test again |
| 20:14.19 | Asmooh | brb |
| 20:14.24 | poseidon | (I have a connection on my windows comp) |
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| 20:14.28 | chops | poseidon: psst |
| 20:14.32 | chops | poseidon: (apt-offline) |
| 20:15.05 | dustybin | did debian coders create apt from scratch? |
| 20:15.09 | themill | Saar: yeah, the =~ operator is a regular expressions operator. (man perlop or man perlre) |
| 20:15.10 | poseidon | chops, Do I have to just do apt-offline gcc, or do I have to have some sort of file for it to use? |
| 20:15.22 | AssociateX | I really need to set my console up better |
| 20:15.32 | AssociateX | I have no color |
| 20:15.34 | twobitwork | dustybin: well, they coded it in perl for debian |
| 20:15.43 | twobitwork | at least, I think its mostly perl |
| 20:15.58 | Saar | ok thanks |
| 20:16.08 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 20:16.16 | dustybin | good work :D |
| 20:16.34 | chops | !apt offline |
| 20:16.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt offline is To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html |
| 20:16.51 | AssociateX | prompt* |
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| 20:18.12 | poseidon | chops, does debian come wtih the list of packages for gcc? I havn't had any internet connection so I am unable to update/downlaod any repositories |
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| 20:18.22 | abrotman | !b-e poseidon |
| 20:18.23 | dpkg | poseidon: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 20:18.29 | vjoe | hi |
| 20:18.47 | Rat409 | jakub_: apt-get install ndiswrapper cabextract. use cabextract to unpack the doze .exe,then ndiswrapper -i bla.inf then modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 20:19.08 | chops | poseidon: Have you read the link dpkg said above? |
| 20:19.16 | jakub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.25 | jakub_ | i dont need to use ndiswapper :P |
| 20:19.40 | Asmooh | well... i think the debian HD-USB install |
| 20:19.44 | Asmooh | is a joke |
| 20:19.53 | Asmooh | because both the ways arnt working |
| 20:20.09 | poseidon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.14 | Rat409 | sorry meant jaketodd |
| 20:20.17 | chops | poseidon: Yes, it does. |
| 20:20.19 | stew | Asmooh: its not a joke. it is the only way i've installed debian in the last couple of years |
| 20:20.32 | stew | poseidon: it would not be installed by default |
| 20:20.42 | Asmooh | stew, strange because now i get the disk is not bootable |
| 20:21.00 | poseidon | stew, how would I install it then? (without using a connection) |
| 20:21.25 | chops | poseidon: I've now told you apt offline three times, and sent you a link to the document you need to read. Good luck; I'm not helping you any more. |
| 20:21.59 | stew | poseidon: you'd have to copy the .debs to your machine and install them with dpkg -i, or using apt-move or apt-zip. or you'd have to install them from a debian install cd (after adding the cd to your sources.list using apt-cdrom) |
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| 20:23.49 | Asmooh | well.. stew cfdisk said the disk IS bootable.. why get i the disk is not bootable? |
| 20:24.07 | stew | Asmooh: "why get i the disk is not bootable" <- where do you get this? |
| 20:24.25 | Asmooh | when reboot my system and boot from that disk (the disk i try to install) |
| 20:24.35 | stew | Asmooh: did you install an MBR? |
| 20:24.40 | Asmooh | yes |
| 20:24.43 | stew | Asmooh: how? |
| 20:24.46 | Asmooh | install-mbr /dev/sdb |
| 20:25.19 | stew | Asmooh: and that contains one partition, which is marked as bootable, or active? |
| 20:25.27 | Asmooh | bootable |
| 20:25.32 | stew | Asmooh: did you install syslinux? |
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| 20:25.46 | Asmooh | eh |
| 20:25.47 | Asmooh | no |
| 20:25.48 | Phase | When I added the backports line I got: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 20:26.03 | stew | Asmooh: which instructions are you following? |
| 20:26.18 | Asmooh | well the zcat didnt work so i tried the second one |
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| 20:26.28 | Asmooh | i have syslinux on my system now |
| 20:26.32 | stew | Asmooh: and how far though that procedure are you? |
| 20:26.38 | Asmooh | done |
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| 20:26.47 | stew | Asmooh: but you skipped some of it? |
| 20:26.52 | Asmooh | nope |
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| 20:27.15 | stew | Asmooh: i don't understand then, you say you didn't install syslinux, but you said you followed the instructions that tell you to install syslinux |
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| 20:27.45 | Asmooh | eh i dont see any syslinux instructions? |
| 20:27.51 | Asmooh | ooh |
| 20:27.52 | Asmooh | i see ;/ |
| 20:27.54 | themill | Phase: follow the instructions that dpkg gave you for backports.org |
| 20:27.54 | Asmooh | my found |
| 20:27.57 | Asmooh | fould* |
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| 20:32.09 | Asmooh | doing it again step by step |
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| 20:33.13 | justin | Asmooh: why don't you just zcat it? |
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| 20:33.20 | Asmooh | it didnt work |
| 20:33.29 | justin | ... |
| 20:33.44 | Asmooh | the disk didnt want to boot, getting boot error and stuff |
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| 20:33.49 | Asmooh | so i trying this way |
| 20:33.55 | justin | if dumping the correct image onto the device "didn't work" then why do you think doing the same thing manually is going to work? |
| 20:34.03 | justin | "boot error" ? |
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| 20:34.18 | Asmooh | Judgen__, i just did zcat boot.gz > /dev/sdb and nothing else |
| 20:34.20 | Asmooh | but! |
| 20:34.23 | Asmooh | i didnt had syslinux |
| 20:34.26 | Asmooh | maybe thats why |
| 20:34.51 | justin | it has everything it needs to boot |
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| 20:35.09 | Asmooh | yea well it didnt :) |
| 20:35.36 | justin | well, the file should have been boot.img.gz |
| 20:36.00 | Asmooh | yea i know |
| 20:36.08 | Orion_X11 | How do I donwgrade all my packages to testing? Since I am using a mixture of testing and unstable in my system? |
| 20:36.12 | Asmooh | brb testing this version... |
| 20:36.16 | justin | so it also helps to use the right file |
| 20:36.24 | adama | what's a command line utility to generate a random password? |
| 20:36.45 | justin | adama: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:37.13 | nullfs | anyone have an intel pro 100 nic? for some reason mine isn't showing up, even when I have eepro100 module loaded it just shows the loopback interface. |
| 20:37.26 | themill | adama: pwgen |
| 20:37.35 | justin | nullfs: ifconfig -a ? |
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| 20:38.22 | nullfs | oh.. debian doesn't show interfaces even if they are down by default. I should have checked that. |
| 20:38.31 | noob | could somebody please walk me through installing Net:SFTP ? |
| 20:39.08 | chops | nullfs: ifconfig -a to show even down interfaces |
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| 20:39.56 | adama | themill: excellent, perfect thanks! |
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| 20:40.30 | themill | adama: there are lots of others in the archive too. |
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| 20:40.50 | adama | themill: this one is fine |
| 20:40.57 | Inktjet | Hmmm, I have read the nano manual, and I really can't find how to set the amount of space characters an indent does in nano; Does anyone know how/where I can set this? |
| 20:41.46 | halflife08 | noob: perl module net::sftp ? |
| 20:42.04 | eth01 | yes. |
| 20:42.06 | eth01 | try that. |
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| 20:43.16 | themill | !info libnet-sftp-foreign-perl |
| 20:43.26 | dpkg | libnet-sftp-foreign-perl: (Net::SFTP::Foreign -- Secure File Transfer Protocol client), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.36+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 68 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 20:43.36 | themill | (perhaps of relevance...) |
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| 20:44.17 | Asmooh | well |
| 20:44.19 | Asmooh | im almost there |
| 20:44.24 | kalurak | hey, what's the right syntax for sending a mail with this content? mail -s "error log pc-intern.com Apache" test@example.com < tail -50 /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 20:44.25 | Asmooh | my disk IS booting |
| 20:44.43 | Asmooh | BUT it didnt find the iso.. i just copyed the iso to the / of the disk |
| 20:44.50 | Asmooh | but i think that didnt work |
| 20:44.55 | abrotman | kalurak: tail -50 log | mail -s "foo" you@blah |
| 20:45.04 | abrotman | i think |
| 20:45.09 | kalurak | thx! |
| 20:45.10 | stew | yes |
| 20:45.12 | themill | looks right |
| 20:45.21 | abrotman | and ellsbury got on base! |
| 20:45.32 | themill | kalurak: < looks for input form a file not a command. |
| 20:45.37 | themill | from* |
| 20:45.47 | Asmooh | stew, where did i need to put the .iso file? |
| 20:46.07 | stew | Asmooh: in the top level directory of the partition you are booting from |
| 20:46.09 | kalurak | it works, big thx :D |
| 20:46.26 | Asmooh | hmm |
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| 20:48.48 | Asmooh | stew, eh... i have the file when i boot the system in just / ... mount /dev/deb1 /mnt .. en put the file there |
| 20:48.53 | Asmooh | but i think that isnt good |
| 20:48.57 | Rat409 | abrotman: angels & red-sox? |
| 20:49.00 | Asmooh | sdb1* |
| 20:49.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:49.20 | Rat409 | yuh :) |
| 20:49.23 | Asmooh | or is the netinst.iso not working? |
| 20:49.49 | LemensTS | whats the easiest gnome wirless network manager? |
| 20:50.27 | lostson | wifi radar |
| 20:50.53 | stew | LemensTS: nm-applet from network-manager-gnome |
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| 20:50.58 | stew | Asmooh: what is the name of the file? |
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| 20:51.18 | Asmooh | debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 20:56.00 | Saar | when I run: dh-make-perl --build --install Email-MIME-Creator-1.454/ I get errors like: PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')" t/*.t t/auto_create.....ok 1/0Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/perl5/Email/MIME/ContentType.pm line 24. |
| 20:56.15 | Saar | looks like /usr/share/perl5/Email/MIME/ContentType.pm came with a debian package |
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| 20:56.25 | Asmooh | hmm i cant find anything on the debian website |
| 20:56.36 | Asmooh | where the installer looks for the disks |
| 20:57.16 | Saar | http://packages.debian.org/etch/libemail-mime-contenttype-perl |
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| 20:58.34 | Asmooh | stew, the installer didnt load any drivers also.. but i think it need the .iso for that? |
| 20:58.34 | Saar | any ideas? :) |
| 20:58.51 | stew | Asmooh: yes |
| 20:58.53 | Asmooh | ok |
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| 20:59.02 | stew | Asmooh: for any drivers not in the initrd |
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| 20:59.24 | Asmooh | well then still the same question.. why didnt the install find my .iso ? |
| 20:59.31 | Asmooh | debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso is the name of the file |
| 20:59.40 | Asmooh | in the root of the disk |
| 21:00.25 | justin | Asmooh: can you see the iso from the installer? |
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| 21:00.54 | Asmooh | no, and when i exec shell / ls, dont see the .iso |
| 21:01.10 | justin | Asmooh: did you copy the iso to the usb drive, and then just yank the drive out of the machine? |
| 21:01.24 | Asmooh | eh after umount yea |
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| 21:02.04 | Mantaar | Hey guys. Is there a way to set the standard browser for QT-based apps in Debian? I'm talking about picard in particular. I have neither GNOME nor KDE installed. |
| 21:02.49 | Asmooh | justin, i copyed the iso to /mnt (thats the disk) umount and rebooted my system |
| 21:03.03 | justin | Asmooh: if you don't see it in the installer, you didn't copy it |
| 21:03.10 | Asmooh | well |
| 21:03.14 | Asmooh | its still on the disk |
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| 21:04.37 | fiendishfish | How do I connect to a wireless network if I know its ssid and its not encrypted, with ifconfig? |
| 21:04.45 | justin | fiendishfish: with iwconfig |
| 21:04.58 | Asmooh | justin, |
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| 21:05.00 | Asmooh | debian:/mnt# ls |
| 21:05.00 | Asmooh | boot.img.gz initrd.gz syslinux.cfg |
| 21:05.00 | Asmooh | debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso ldlinux.sys vmlinuz |
| 21:05.22 | justin | 17:00 < Asmooh> no, and when i exec shell / ls, dont see the .iso |
| 21:05.28 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:05.30 | justin | so... NOW you can see it? |
| 21:05.33 | Asmooh | in the installer |
| 21:05.37 | Asmooh | this is just on my pc |
| 21:05.40 | fiendishfish | justin, to connect would it just be 'iwconfig essid APNAME' |
| 21:05.46 | justin | fiendishfish: need the interface |
| 21:05.50 | fiendishfish | Ah, yes. |
| 21:05.52 | fiendishfish | And that's it? |
| 21:05.55 | justin | yeah |
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| 21:06.08 | Asmooh | justin, in the installer i dont see anything, when im not in the installer i see the file |
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| 21:06.58 | justin | Asmooh: sure? |
| 21:07.02 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:07.11 | enouf | Haris1: it's teh make-kpkg step (kp mantra) |
| 21:07.11 | Asmooh | i have the /boot dir and stuff |
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| 21:07.19 | Asmooh | but just "ls" said nothing |
| 21:07.29 | Asmooh | and the installer cant find it anyway |
| 21:07.47 | justin | Asmooh: it is not goign to be in /boot |
| 21:07.57 | Asmooh | where then ? |
| 21:08.05 | justin | Asmooh: run mount, wherever the disk is mounted |
| 21:08.07 | Asmooh | because the installer cant find it anyware |
| 21:08.30 | Asmooh | at the installer? |
| 21:09.10 | justin | Asmooh: yes |
| 21:09.27 | justin | Asmooh: are you SURE you coppied the iso to the usb drive? |
| 21:09.29 | Asmooh | ok, well ill wait some seconds to be sure the file is kopied |
| 21:09.32 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:09.45 | fiendishfish | justin, I connected with 'iwconfig eth1 essid APNAME' and it reports it as connected and shows the link quality etc etc.. but it still wont let me access websites? |
| 21:09.49 | Asmooh | but ill wais a few secs because sometimes i see the light flashing |
| 21:09.52 | Asmooh | maybe its busy |
| 21:10.07 | justin | fiendishfish: need to run dhclient |
| 21:10.08 | stew | Asmooh: you don't have to wait, just umount and wait for the umount command to return |
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| 21:10.16 | justin | fiendishfish: you probably want to add the interface to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:10.23 | stew | Asmooh: but it seems like the image was on there before anyway |
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| 21:10.40 | Asmooh | no umount errors anyway |
| 21:10.44 | stew | Asmooh: and you should NOT expect to see it when you run "ls" from the installer |
| 21:11.01 | Asmooh | stew, okay.. well then why cant it find it? |
| 21:11.03 | Asmooh | if its there |
| 21:11.14 | stew | Asmooh: i dont' konw |
| 21:11.26 | Asmooh | of does the syslinux.cfg need more lines? |
| 21:11.33 | stew | `no |
| 21:11.35 | Asmooh | ok |
| 21:11.48 | realcoolguy | anyone know how to change the 'print host' back to local? (127.0.0.1) i was messing with printer config... and i of course mess up |
| 21:11.49 | stew | Asmooh: does the isntaller tell you that it can't find it? |
| 21:11.54 | Asmooh | yes |
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| 21:12.12 | stew | which boot.img.gz did you use? |
| 21:12.15 | Asmooh | eh |
| 21:12.17 | Asmooh | hd-image |
| 21:12.42 | Asmooh | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 21:12.44 | Asmooh | this one |
| 21:13.23 | Haris | where does the install process put mods? |
| 21:13.30 | Haris | after kernel compile |
| 21:13.47 | stew | Haris: which install process? |
| 21:14.24 | Haris | I guess its on the last step. Its now building the package |
| 21:14.26 | justin | Asmooh: are you sure you didn't just copy the .iso to the /mnt directory without having the usb drive mounted there? |
| 21:14.35 | Asmooh | nope |
| 21:14.48 | Haris | where you see INSTALL path/to/blabla/drivers for example INSTALLL /scsi/bla/bla |
| 21:14.49 | justin | cause you should be able to see it from the installer |
| 21:15.03 | stew | Haris: debian/tmp probably |
| 21:15.18 | justin | anyway, g2g :) |
| 21:15.26 | stew | Haris: if not debian/tmp then debian/$packagename |
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| 21:15.47 | Asmooh | ill download all the images again.. |
| 21:15.49 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.49 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:17.30 | stew | Haris: debian/linux-image-$version |
| 21:18.22 | Asmooh | gonna test ... again |
| 21:18.23 | Asmooh | brb |
| 21:19.04 | enouf | Haris1: you didn't use module_image? |
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| 21:20.23 | stew | enouf: you mean modules_image? |
| 21:20.54 | Haris | ducks |
| 21:20.58 | enouf | er modules_image |
| 21:21.07 | enouf | yes stew |
| 21:21.18 | stew | enouf: why would he? |
| 21:21.41 | enouf | kp mantra ? |
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| 21:22.04 | stew | he's not building any out of tree modules |
| 21:22.17 | Haris | http://pastebin.ca/996324 |
| 21:22.19 | stew | at least as far as he's mentioned so far |
| 21:22.32 | Haris | 'out of tree' ? |
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| 21:22.44 | CrimsonScythe | hi. i'm setting up a raid6. any thoughts on whether or not to install lvm on top of that? |
| 21:22.45 | unsolo__ | so how do i install 8. version of drbd on debian |
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| 21:22.59 | unsolo__ | CrimsonScythe: sounds nice to have |
| 21:23.04 | Haris | I need, routing, ip redirect, ip masq, pppoe, scsi, raid, most usual things |
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| 21:23.26 | CrimsonScythe | unsolo__: do you use lvm yourself? |
| 21:23.38 | unsolo__ | no and im paying for it |
| 21:23.38 | Haris | what is modules_image for? Can I run it again with modules_image ? |
| 21:23.47 | unsolo__ | 1 2TB driver .. |
| 21:23.47 | stew | Haris: do you have any modules in /usr/src/modules that you also compiled by adding "--added-modules=..." when running make-kpkg? |
| 21:23.51 | unsolo__ | err drive.. |
| 21:24.15 | unsolo__ | how do i stop debian from asking for the cd when installing ? |
| 21:24.22 | CrimsonScythe | unsolo__: yeah. the reason i'm considering it is to be able to set up "drives" with somewhat different file system settings |
| 21:24.25 | Haris | Nope, no custom mods added. All drivers that came with the kernel source only |
| 21:24.31 | stew | unsolo__: remove the cdrom lines from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:24.33 | stew | Haris: then you don't need modules_image |
| 21:24.37 | CrimsonScythe | unsolo__: so that i can have one drive with ext3 largefile, for instance |
| 21:24.48 | Haris | great! |
| 21:24.52 | Haris | the lesser the headache the better |
| 21:24.59 | Haris | which reminds me, I have got to sleep! |
| 21:25.27 | unsolo__ | stew: ahh yea doh that one was stupid of me.. been a long time 2 years or so since i installed something from scratch with debian-- |
| 21:25.27 | Haris | ok, the deb has been created |
| 21:25.31 | Haris | what's next? |
| 21:25.38 | Haris | I install the .deb |
| 21:25.41 | Haris | after that? |
| 21:26.42 | unsolo__ | stew: lets say i want to use a backported backage from lenny in etch |
| 21:26.49 | unsolo__ | is there a nice ! for that |
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| 21:27.03 | stew | unsolo__: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:27.13 | streuner | unsolo__: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 21:27.35 | phorce1_ | how do apps (like aptitude) choose which interface to use when grabbing from the Internet? I was going to ask how to bind aptitude to a specific interface but it appears to have chosen the one I want (I have 2 Internet connections and one is twice as fast as the other). |
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| 21:29.20 | stew | phorce1: whichever has the default route |
| 21:29.21 | enouf | Haris1: i usually install the deb which should do all needed things, mkinitramfs-kpkg should run, update-grub should also - check /boot for resultant config-name, System.map, initrd |
| 21:30.10 | phorce1 | stew: hmmm -- ifconfig and netstat -- brb |
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| 21:30.25 | Asmooh | well i think the installer just dont WANT to find the file |
| 21:30.48 | unsolo__ | thanks |
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| 21:33.14 | Haris | great! |
| 21:33.35 | Haris | installing the .deb did both, ran mkinitramfs-kpkg and also update-grub |
| 21:33.41 | phorce1 | stew: they both have a default route set. The one for eth1 shows above the one for eth0 when I check with 'route' though. |
| 21:34.11 | stew | phorce1: you should remove the default gateway from one interface, its only valid to have one default gateway per routing table |
| 21:34.16 | cusco | hey dudes... what is that command line tool that replaces the letters position in a word |
| 21:34.30 | dondelelcaro | cusco: letter's position in a word? |
| 21:34.36 | amphi | cusco: tr? sed? |
| 21:34.43 | dondelelcaro | cusco: sed or perl can do whatever it is that you're trying to do, but it's not clear. |
| 21:34.59 | Haris | wow! |
| 21:35.00 | Haris | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 96094756 2008-04-25 02:20 linux-image-2.6.25_2.6.25-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 21:35.05 | Haris | 90 MB! |
| 21:35.06 | cusco | maikng me takl liek tish |
| 21:35.07 | stew | heh, 'i don't know what you are trying to do, but perl can do it' :) |
| 21:35.17 | phorce1 | stew: Then the second interface would NEVER get used (except possibly when connecting to another system in the same subnet). that's not what I want. |
| 21:35.28 | amphi | Haris: you built several modules? ;) |
| 21:35.30 | peleg | ok, 3 days passed and I still can't find a way to fix it. I have installed a new *unreadable* font, that I need. In gnome everything works fine, and the new font is *not* the default font. Though, in firefox, I see *most* of the Hebrew sites written in that font. Trying to play with firefox' configuration is ignored. Any ideas what to look for? |
| 21:35.43 | cusco | a tool that just reorders the letters position |
| 21:35.43 | stew | phorce1: then you need multiple routing tables, /msg dpkg split access |
| 21:35.45 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: if that's not what you want, then you need to read the lartc and see the recipies for joining interfaces |
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| 21:36.32 | cusco | making for instance the word "dondelelcaro" into "doenlcedlaro" |
| 21:36.42 | Haris | great! it picked up hd0,0 on its own |
| 21:36.50 | Haris | I'll reboot it in the morning to see how it went |
| 21:37.06 | cusco | argh.. I just came across that a few weeks ago and now I forgot it |
| 21:37.10 | stew | Haris: you are still trying to debug your "sometimes people can't browse" problem? |
| 21:37.17 | Haris | yep |
| 21:37.36 | stew | Haris: the screen captures you posted from when you claim people couln't browse showed people successfully browsing |
| 21:37.37 | Haris | I paste url to wireshark images for the time I was unable to access 1 server |
| 21:37.55 | Haris | stew: I didn't get a page back in firefox |
| 21:37.57 | phorce1 | Back to lartc then (and /msg dpkg) I would actually prefer that only items I pin to eth1 use it and "everything else" use eth0. I just hope I can pin some of the things I want to a specific interface. |
| 21:37.58 | dondelelcaro | cusco: uh... I'm still not clear what transform you're applying there. |
| 21:38.02 | stew | Haris: it showed someone successfully making a web request and getting a response from gmail |
| 21:38.02 | Haris | that's the point |
| 21:38.10 | Haris | not gmail |
| 21:38.16 | Haris | from 202.59.80.79 |
| 21:38.25 | Haris | the events in red |
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| 21:38.59 | cusco | dondelelcaro: it mixes the letters position in a word or several words |
| 21:39.08 | phorce1 | I must have missed it in lartc when I looked a few days ago. Recovering from a long drive home. |
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| 21:39.10 | dondelelcaro | cusco: by what metric? |
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| 21:39.30 | poseidon | Crap, I have an eta of 7 hours for downloading sp3 final :( |
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| 21:39.34 | dondelelcaro | making random anagrams is boring |
| 21:39.42 | Haris | I have got to get some sleep if I'm going to make it on time tomorrow |
| 21:39.44 | cusco | not sure... randomly I guess.. leving at least first and last |
| 21:39.45 | Haris | later! people |
| 21:39.48 | Haris | must hit the sac :( |
| 21:39.50 | stew | Haris: that doens't any machine making such a request |
| 21:40.18 | Haris | stew: yes it does |
| 21:40.26 | Haris | stew: the events in red show packets moving |
| 21:40.40 | Haris | in both directions |
| 21:40.48 | stew | Haris: no |
| 21:40.52 | Haris | I'm not sure how to interpret the output in red |
| 21:41.08 | dondelelcaro | cusco: for what purpose? if you want to do something like that, it's just perl -MList::Util=shuffle -p -e 's/\b(.)(.*)(.)\b/$1.join(q(),shuffle split(//,$2)).$3/g' |
| 21:41.12 | stew | Haris: but you are sure that traffic is moving in both directions? |
| 21:41.24 | dondelelcaro | s/g/ge/ |
| 21:41.31 | Haris | stew: No. The images tend to say they are |
| 21:41.46 | stew | Haris: how do they tend to say this? |
| 21:41.48 | Haris | stew: I'm not sure, since I didn't get a page in browser from that IP |
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| 21:42.01 | Haris | because the syn/ack traffic is moving |
| 21:42.19 | stew | Haris: do you have other images that show a syn? |
| 21:42.27 | Haris | isn't it what the image shows? |
| 21:42.30 | stew | Haris: no |
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| 21:42.38 | Haris | ws1.png, ws2.png |
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| 21:43.08 | Haris | right now, its working |
| 21:43.11 | Haris | I'll make more images |
| 21:43.14 | Haris | when its not |
| 21:43.15 | mefistofeles | is there an OT channel alternative to #debian ?? |
| 21:43.24 | enouf | phorce1: not sure if you might need some netfilter/iptables magic for that - i know you can setup a proxy, but that's not what you want, i gather |
| 21:43.30 | dondelelcaro | mefistofeles: #debian-offtopic |
| 21:43.32 | Haris | there have been occasions where it doesn'twork for 20mins. - 90 mins. on other boxes |
| 21:43.33 | mefistofeles | thx |
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| 21:43.52 | peleg | after adding a file (the first one) to "/home/peleg/Templates", how can I notify gnome about its existence? currently I still don't have it in my "create new document" right-click menu. |
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| 21:49.07 | peleg | hmmm... any ideas? |
| 21:50.58 | phorce1 | enouf: no proxies. I'm just hoping that the things I want 'pinned' have a "bind" directive like apache. |
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| 21:51.38 | engla | if hal says my computer simply can not suspend, is it a bug I should file then? |
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| 21:52.08 | engla | because I know it can. In (ancient) versions of gnome-power-manager, it suspended fine. and right now it suspends find with some custom daemon |
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| 21:52.20 | engla | or is it rather a kernel bug? |
| 21:52.33 | spx2 | engla: I've tried all daemons for debian/ubuntu for suspending on my laptop |
| 21:52.36 | spx2 | engla: none worked |
| 21:52.39 | amphi | engla: what happens if you just do 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' |
| 21:52.41 | amphi | ? |
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| 21:53.01 | spx2 | engla: only suspending to disk which is not nice will work |
| 21:53.11 | spx2 | engla: but suspending to disk is not a great advantage... |
| 21:53.54 | amphi | it is a _great_ advantage, IMHO |
| 21:54.41 | engla | amphi: I meant suspend to ram |
| 21:54.55 | amphi | engla: ah - then I can agree ;) |
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| 21:55.37 | amphi | it sorta works here; oddly, it works perfectly the first time after a reboot, but thereafter there is about a minutes delay on resume |
| 21:55.55 | engla | amphi: I tried anyway. It had interesting effects. But I think it bailed out since swap << RAM |
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| 21:56.24 | engla | what bugs me is that hal says I can't suspend to ram, but I know I can |
| 21:56.34 | engla | and gnome-power-manager has done it for me in previous versions |
| 21:56.48 | aixenv | anyone handy with awk? |
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| 21:57.05 | peleg | I have installed a new *unreadable* font, that I need. In gnome everything works fine, and the new font is *not* the default font. Though, in firefox, I see *most* of the Hebrew sites written in that font. Trying to play with firefox' configuration is ignored. Any ideas what to look for? |
| 21:59.53 | jelly-home | aixenv: ask your question |
| 22:00.11 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 22:00.11 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:00.30 | aixenv | jelly: fair enough |
| 22:00.52 | engla | amphi: I too find that suspending to ram is more useful |
| 22:01.14 | aixenv | jelly: i have two flat files 1 with a listing of dirs 1 with all the dirs with a size stated.. im trying to compare/join get the files so they are like /www/data/k1042(this is the like characteristic)/html 50M |
| 22:01.31 | aixenv | right now file 1 looks like /www/data/k1015/html and file 2 looks like 50M k1015 |
| 22:01.40 | aixenv | file2 is just a du -sh * on a tree |
| 22:01.50 | aixenv | file1 is a generated output from a script to find specific webdirs |
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| 22:02.56 | jelly-home | aixenv: do you want union of both, or intersection or what? |
| 22:03.17 | themill | sounds like it would be easier to regenerate the files with a nice find command.... |
| 22:03.39 | enouf | phorce1: you got me .. :-/ |
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| 22:04.21 | aixenv | jelly: i want to take the existing lines in file1 and 2 with the same k$$$$ characteristic and just add on the size which is in file2 |
| 22:04.25 | aixenv | make sense? |
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| 22:04.33 | aixenv | i can show you in pastebin what i want |
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| 22:05.24 | jelly-home | aixenv: use sed or awk to extract the "k1015" bit from file1, then grep -f file1-new file2 |
| 22:06.38 | aixenv | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d2eeb3350 |
| 22:06.41 | jelly-home | like, grep -f <(awk -F/ '{print $4}' file1) file2 |
| 22:07.02 | Cripps | hello. I'm currently running lenny kernel 2.6.24-1-686 ... I was thinking about compiling a custom kernel (namely 2.6.25). The current setup I'm running is completely 32 bits, but I have a Core2 Duo processor in my machine, so I was thinking about compiling a 64 bit kernel ... in anyone's experience, would this have any adverse effects on my current running system (other than being required to build all my modules |
| 22:07.03 | Cripps | from source ... which I do anyways). |
| 22:08.02 | Cripps | s/)./? |
| 22:08.13 | zinx | base your config off the amd64 kernel in i386 Debian |
| 22:08.21 | zinx | or it may be called k8, i dunno |
| 22:08.37 | Cripps | zinx, there's an IA64 as well. |
| 22:08.44 | zinx | don't get anywhere near the ia64 one |
| 22:08.49 | Cripps | why not? |
| 22:08.53 | zinx | i don't know why an ia64 one would be in i386 anyway |
| 22:08.58 | zinx | because ia64 is not what you want. |
| 22:09.03 | jelly-home | aixenv: well, the fixed bits are easy to add, and something like the line above will give you only those lines from file2 that are also present in file1 |
| 22:09.05 | themill | aixenv: is this old file size data? or is this just being generated recently? |
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| 22:09.18 | Cripps | well, My processor is an Intel 64 bit processor. |
| 22:09.29 | zinx | and it uses the amd64 architecture |
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| 22:09.47 | Cripps | brb ... cat puke. |
| 22:09.48 | aixenv | jelly: this is a once a server situation. so actually your resolution is perfect..i just need the k's that are the same from both + their size |
| 22:09.51 | aixenv | thank you very much |
| 22:09.53 | zinx | ia64 is for the Itanium, which you do not have |
| 22:10.23 | themill | aixenv: how about something like: find . -printf "%p\t%s\n" |
| 22:10.30 | jelly-home | aixenv: by "easy to add", I mean "just add | awk '{print "/www/data/"$2"/html: static "$1"}'", or similar |
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| 22:12.21 | Cripps | zinx, I see. What are the differences between the Itanium and the Core2 ? |
| 22:12.34 | zinx | Cripps: they are completely different platforms |
| 22:12.58 | zinx | Cripps: what is the difference between an apple and a pyramid? |
| 22:13.11 | jelly-home | zinx: about $3.50 |
| 22:13.20 | zinx | jelly-home: ha ha |
| 22:13.32 | Cripps | zinx, I think the question is more analogous to "what's the difference between a RISC and a CISC machine?" |
| 22:13.45 | dustybin | what about ARM ? |
| 22:13.49 | zinx | Cripps: not really |
| 22:13.52 | aixenv | jelly: something is wrong ..http://pastebin.com/dfd132c3 |
| 22:13.58 | aixenv | i must have a syntax error somewheres |
| 22:13.58 | Cripps | dustybin, ARM is RISC ;) |
| 22:14.02 | zinx | Cripps: Itanium's a dead thing anyway |
| 22:14.04 | dustybin | aye ok :P |
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| 22:15.02 | jelly-home | aixenv: I meant grep -f <(awk -F/ '{print $4}' file1) file2 | awk '{print "/www/data/"$2"/html: static "$1}' |
| 22:15.04 | enouf | it's all risc beneath the veneer :-P |
| 22:15.24 | zinx | Cripps: in any case, base your config off the amd64 kernel already in Debian i386 (-not- the one in the amd64 port), and keep your old kernel around in case it still breaks |
| 22:15.51 | Cripps | zinx, sounds like good advice. That's what I'll do. |
| 22:16.36 | aixenv | jelly: perfect tyvm |
| 22:16.47 | jelly-home | aixenv: that'll be $3.50 |
| 22:16.54 | aixenv | ok whats the paypal addy |
| 22:16.57 | aixenv | :) |
| 22:17.06 | jelly-home | I can't accept paypal :-) |
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| 22:17.43 | enouf | zinx: is there some magic put into that i386 config vs the amd64 one? (hrm, do the highmem options come into play?) |
| 22:18.06 | zinx | enouf: i don't know. there may be stuff about 32-bit userspace compatibility |
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| 22:18.54 | zinx | enouf: not the general "Let's run a 32-bit app" stuff, but the "Hey, I'm a 32-bit app that twiddles the kernel" stuff |
| 22:19.02 | enouf | zinx: but one can certainly boot/use/run the amd64 kernel on an installed 32bit kernel+userland already no? |
| 22:19.06 | sandman | Are Etch security updates provided for non-free packages? |
| 22:19.11 | sandman | Or only main/contrib? |
| 22:19.13 | zinx | enouf: i don't know. |
| 22:19.17 | zinx | enouf: better to be safe :P |
| 22:19.22 | enouf | heh |
| 22:19.25 | jelly-home | zinx: apps shouldn't twiddle the kernel! |
| 22:19.31 | zinx | jelly-home: agreed, but some do |
| 22:19.49 | enouf | zinx: i mean, with the prerequisite that they have a 64bit CPU |
| 22:19.50 | Cripps | I *think* it should be okay for the kernel handle 32 bit stuff ... |
| 22:20.01 | Cripps | *for the 64 bit kernel |
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| 22:20.29 | zinx | Cripps: you can use a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userspace |
| 22:20.36 | Cripps | excellent then. |
| 22:20.47 | enouf | right, but not vice-versa |
| 22:20.51 | zinx | Cripps: just make sure you get it configured correctly |
| 22:20.56 | Cripps | mm-hmm. |
| 22:20.57 | zinx | enouf: for sure :) |
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| 22:21.18 | enouf | does he need some cross-compiling capable .. oh nm, it's all x86 |
| 22:21.35 | zinx | enouf: he does, most likely |
| 22:21.50 | zinx | i don't know that Debian's i386 gcc will compile for x86-64 |
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| 22:22.04 | enouf | he might have to define arch/march or whatever - i think make-kpkg has options also for that |
| 22:22.09 | zinx | the Debian package should do it properly, anyway |
| 22:22.12 | Cripps | zinx, it should, given the correct make target arch |
| 22:22.25 | jelly-home | possibly needs multiarch support, which is quite not there in debian |
| 22:22.30 | enouf | righto - make-kpkg --targets |
| 22:22.48 | zinx | jelly-home: but there's an amd64 kernel built for i386, so there's gotta be some debian way to di t |
| 22:22.52 | zinx | erh, do it |
| 22:23.05 | Cripps | ? |
| 22:23.14 | enouf | gah |
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| 22:23.24 | jelly-home | Cripps: basically you can install and use the -amd64 kernel flavor, but m-a and misc third-party modules will have problems |
| 22:23.25 | enouf | i mean make-kpkg --help --arch foo architecture |
| 22:23.28 | Cripps | amd64 kernel build for i386? Wouldn't that be an i386 kernel? |
| 22:23.37 | jelly-home | no |
| 22:23.51 | zinx | Cripps: no, it's an amd64 kernel packaged for the i386 Debian port |
| 22:24.06 | Cripps | interesting. |
| 22:24.25 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-amd64 etch |
| 22:24.29 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-amd64: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on AMD64), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 22:24.51 | jelly-home | dpkg knows about packages for i386 |
| 22:25.08 | Cripps | jelly-home, so, I'll have to manually build my modules instead of using m-a ? |
| 22:25.12 | enouf | zinx: are you referring to something other than what dpkgbot just spit out? |
| 22:25.38 | zinx | enouf: no |
| 22:25.46 | enouf | ok |
| 22:25.50 | zinx | enouf: that's it, though that's not the real package |
| 22:25.54 | enouf | right |
| 22:25.56 | jelly-home | Cripps: no, I'm saying you'll have problems with, say, not having a capable compiler at all |
| 22:25.57 | enouf | Meta |
| 22:26.20 | Cripps | jelly-home, right ... because it'll want to build everything in 32-bit ... |
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| 22:26.33 | jelly-home | Cripps: except the kernel modules |
| 22:26.41 | jelly-home | nm |
| 22:26.50 | Cripps | :) |
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| 22:27.02 | jelly-home | -> bed |
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| 22:30.31 | sander_ | Having some problems with a large /usr partisjon |
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| 22:31.11 | sander_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:32.11 | sandman | Are home directories system-wide readable by default these days? |
| 22:32.32 | dondelelcaro | sandman: yes |
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| 22:32.48 | dondelelcaro | sandman: but it is a debconf option which is asked if you have the priority set low enough |
| 22:32.48 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I see. |
| 22:33.02 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Aye. Well, I'll have to fix that =) |
| 22:33.09 | sandman | I don't recall being asked about the debconf priority |
| 22:33.13 | sandman | I mean, during install, of course. |
| 22:33.24 | dondelelcaro | sandman: you're not unless you choose expert. |
| 22:34.26 | sandman | Hm. Well, it's too late for me then =) |
| 22:34.37 | DigiDaemon | anyone here pretty knowlegable about kdm and / or ksplash. I am looking for the standards used in their xml files and etc. for development. |
| 22:34.50 | dondelelcaro | sandman: not really; it's a simple option in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 22:35.02 | enouf | DigiDaemon: maybe #debian-kde can point you? |
| 22:35.12 | DigiDaemon | will try tyvm 8) |
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| 22:35.36 | dondelelcaro | though you probably should think about *why* the default is for home directories to be o+rx before changing it |
| 22:35.45 | enouf | DigiDaemon: or even #kde (here, and on oftc.net even perhaps) |
| 22:36.37 | DigiDaemon | logged on their now actually |
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| 22:39.01 | enouf | try also kde-look.org ? |
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| 22:42.30 | rgsteele||work | Hey folks. I recently did an 'apt-get install libnss-ldap' on my system, and got this: perl: ldap-nss.c:1376: do_init: Assertion `cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)' failed |
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| 22:42.33 | Mantaar | hey guys, what would be the right way to let ~/.xinitrc be executed by a different shell than bash? (setting shabang doesn't seem to work :-( ) |
| 22:43.11 | rgsteele||work | I saw a bug for this problem was submitted a few months ago, but the only way I've been able to fix it is to uninstall the package, otherwise even basic commands like "ls -alt" fail with that error. |
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| 22:45.24 | dondelelcaro | Mantaar: it's sourced. If you want it to run a different shell, run different file from within it. |
| 22:45.41 | dondelelcaro | Mantaar: but realistically, there's little reason to use a different shell in your .xinitrc |
| 22:46.08 | dondelelcaro | Mantaar: actually, if you want it to be executed, make it executable |
| 22:46.33 | Mantaar | dondelelcaro: I need zsh's typeset -U and associative arrays, so I tried to set #!/bin/zsh and also exec zsh from within, but both didn't work. :-( |
| 22:47.02 | dondelelcaro | Mantaar: you need them in your .xinitrc? *boggles* |
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| 22:47.44 | Mantaar | dondelelcaro: setting up my environment. Instead of sourcing all those 100+ lines everytime I open a shell (happens a lot) I'll just put it into .xinitrc and have the environment in memory |
| 22:48.11 | Mantaar | not that it would be a performance gain on a modern machine, but it might be on my 500 MHz secondary desktop. |
| 22:48.36 | sandman | Is there a way I can have apache utilize "home" directories for web services? |
| 22:49.08 | sandman | Like for instance, I add a user name imnew, therefore if someone then visited imnew.edu/~imnew, it would display his/her webpage |
| 22:50.08 | Mantaar | sandman: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/public_html.html |
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| 22:50.29 | Led_Zeppelin | I am trying to find out if a filesystem is supported on my kernel. How can I do that? |
| 22:50.50 | asdfsdf | hi, im trying to install the oracle client on a debian etch x86_64 anyone done that before and have some good links or info on that? |
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| 22:53.20 | SerajewelKS | what recent updates to lenny have crippled every media player to refuse to play dvds? |
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| 22:55.22 | Orion_X11 | How do I avoid gnumeric being the default spreadsheet in my debian? |
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| 22:56.35 | themill | Don't install it. |
| 22:56.55 | Orion_X11 | themill: this is a simple solution |
| 22:57.17 | themill | Indeed. The simplest solutions are usually the best. |
| 22:57.17 | Orion_X11 | themill: I do not like this way of solving things in linux |
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| 22:58.03 | Orion_X11 | themill: there must be a file manager association in debian |
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| 22:58.30 | thechef | are you using gnome? |
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| 22:58.43 | Orion_X11 | thechef: Yes |
| 22:58.47 | themill | Orion_X11: I can tell you how to do that for KDE (it's very easy), but since you ask about gnumeric, I assume you will be wanting gnome stuff |
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| 22:59.23 | Orion_X11 | themill: I want to change it to ooffice |
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| 23:03.27 | thechef | Orion_X11: an option is to ask in ##gnome, because if someone uses debian doesn't necessarily mean that she/he uses gnome (though it's standard) |
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| 23:04.07 | Orion_X11 | thechef: I just set up the issue :-) |
| 23:04.17 | thechef | okay :) |
| 23:04.30 | themill | Orion_X11: there should be something in the gnome control centre. No idea where though. I dislike gnome intensely... the fact that you can't figure out how to do this yourself illustrates why. |
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| 23:04.44 | thechef | :) |
| 23:04.47 | asoare | Hello, i have a problem building packages with custon CFLAGS. I found that "dpkg-buildpackage sets these flags to the default values unless the flags are already defined in the environment." However, I defined CFLAGS in the environment and it is still overwritten when i build packages |
| 23:05.00 | rgsteele||work | themill: I'm pretty sure Debian has an alternatives system. |
| 23:05.08 | Orion_X11 | themill: So. What gui are you using? |
| 23:05.21 | Orion_X11 | themill: if any |
| 23:05.30 | themill | rgsteele||work: not for that sort of thing. alternatives can only be used on programs that take exactly the same command line arguments. |
| 23:05.35 | themill | Orion_X11: kde. |
| 23:05.52 | themill | asoare: did you export CFLAGS? |
| 23:05.55 | asoare | yes |
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| 23:06.13 | rgsteele||work | themill: Ah, you're right. Sorry, I'm absorbed in trying to fix my system after the latest Etch libnss-ldap catastrophe |
| 23:06.15 | asoare | actually i edited /etc/environment and added CFLAGS |
| 23:06.32 | themill | and logged in again since making that change? |
| 23:07.10 | multi_io | on my router (linux box), eth0 is the NIC that connects into the local LAN. Why does "brctl addbr lanbridge; brctl addif lanbridge eth0; " completely shut down that connection? |
| 23:07.16 | multi_io | my understanding of the brctl manpage is that just creating a bridge and adding eth0 to it should have no effect. |
| 23:07.23 | asoare | themill: yes |
| 23:07.27 | Orion_X11 | themill: I do prefer gnome instead of kde. But, it is up to anyone taste |
| 23:07.37 | magyar | hi, getting "ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer" from some hosts to one system on ssh. What could it be? |
| 23:07.53 | themill | asoare: and you're sure they're not being overridden in your debian/rules? |
| 23:08.49 | themill | magyar: there are a lot of reasons. If you can look in the logs of the remote machine you will get more answers. An entry in /etc/hosts.deny can cause that, for example. |
| 23:09.19 | Orion_X11 | themill: I find kde very badly organised and there are too many programs we do not need. But, as I said before, it is up to people's own taste |
| 23:09.37 | asoare | themill: i searched for CFLAGS inside rules and found the following line: CFLAGS = -fstack-protector |
| 23:10.04 | themill | Orion_X11: I find the opposite. And I get sick of not being able to customise things in gnome apps. As you said, taste. |
| 23:10.24 | themill | asoare: that would have the effect of overriding anything you set in the environment. |
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| 23:10.41 | asoare | so should i delete that line ? |
| 23:10.47 | asoare | and it will work ? |
| 23:11.16 | themill | asoare: what are you compiling and why? There's no clear answer to that question. |
| 23:12.04 | asoare | pidgin, i want to rebuild it with CFLAGS='-g -O2 -fno-inline' |
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| 23:13.34 | asoare | any idea on how i could do that ? |
| 23:13.42 | magyar | themill: not /etc/hosts.deny, I see nothing in the /var/log/auth.log file |
| 23:14.29 | sandman | Would it be secure to install insecure applications, so as they're isolated? |
| 23:14.56 | themill | magyar: you could turn up the debug output on the sshd. Run it in the foreground perhaps (not daemonising). "sshd -D -d -d" iirc. |
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| 23:15.20 | sandman | For example, I'm not sure about VMware Player's security, but I could use it. |
| 23:15.28 | sandman | Perhaps I'd add a user, and only install it for that particular user. |
| 23:15.44 | themill | sandman: no. Any kernel bug may still be exploitable by a local user. |
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| 23:16.04 | sandman | themill: Well, the kernel will be secure. |
| 23:16.10 | themill | asoare: you could try adding those options to that line in debian/rules, but there's no guarantee that will work. |
| 23:16.31 | themill | sandman: then you've got nothing to worry about.... if you believe that. |
| 23:16.47 | sandman | themill: VMware might not be, though. It'd only be installed for a user that will only be using VMware. For example, I'd create a user named vmwareplayer =) |
| 23:17.18 | sandman | themill: Isn't the Etch default kernel secure? |
| 23:17.52 | sandman | linux-image-2.6.18-6-k7? |
| 23:18.15 | themill | sandman: to *publicly known* exploits. That doesn't mean you would trust it though. |
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| 23:18.47 | sandman | Hrm. Well, if there's an exploit to my kernel, then I'd presume VMware Player would be the least of my problems. |
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| 23:19.27 | themill | sandman: if it's a local exploit then it's local users you have to worry about. You brought up insecure local apps... |
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| 23:20.33 | dustybin | themill: are there really that many dodgy people out there? o_0 |
| 23:20.49 | dustybin | i think security is over-hyped |
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| 23:23.09 | themill | dustybin: you are incredibly naïve if you believe that there is no need to think about security. A local vuln in the kernel can be coupled with a remote vuln in some other piece of software (did someone mention wordpress? or anything else in php?) to gain root access to a machine. Just remember that pretty much every piece of spam that goes around is being sent via compromised machines. |
| 23:23.52 | dustybin | themill: 'windows' compromised machines? |
| 23:24.10 | themill | dustybin: usually. But you're the one that said that security is over-hyped. |
| 23:24.21 | dustybin | in the linux world only |
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| 23:25.20 | dustybin | if windows was based on unix, would there still be such a bad spam problem? |
| 23:25.52 | themill | And how do you figure that? If people weren't paying attention to security in linux, then we'd have the same problems as windows? If noone cared about local kernel vulns or thought that running known vulnerable software was sensible, then linux would be just as bad. |
| 23:25.56 | dustybin | </off.topic> |
| 23:25.59 | tmccrary | probably |
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| 23:26.17 | tmccrary | You'd have the same bunch of chimps running Linux |
| 23:26.24 | dustybin | ok i take your point |
| 23:26.26 | tmccrary | I mean, look at ubuntu |
| 23:26.45 | themill | tmccrary: now now.... |
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| 23:27.42 | magyar | themill: nada, i did tcpdump, see the connection comming in but no debug logs |
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| 23:28.45 | themill | magyar: did you run the sshd with debug output turned on? I can guarantee that you'd see a lot of debug messages then and somewhere in there would be the answer. |
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| 23:32.45 | magyar | themill: its the firewall doing something weird |
| 23:32.55 | magyar | themill: thanks for your help |
| 23:33.06 | themill | magyar: no worries.... good luck with it. |
| 23:39.20 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: cat /proc/filesystems ? |
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| 23:40.50 | dondelelcaro | (they're part of libwww-perl) |
| 23:41.01 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: or even ~$ modprobe -l | grep fs | less |
| 23:41.56 | enouf | Led_Zeppelin: gah, that'll show only modules - grep the kernel config |
| 23:41.57 | rgsteele||work | Hm. Is there any place I can look (other than STDIN and /var/log/dpkg.log) for when packages crash and burn while installing? |
| 23:43.16 | rgsteele||work | libnss-ldap failing means this system is unable to fetch users from LDAP, which really grinds things to a halt. |
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| 23:44.11 | enouf | strace it? |
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| 23:55.40 | rgsteele||work | enouf: I dunno, the strace isn't very telling: http://pastebin.com/m55b8b212 |
| 23:56.29 | azeem | rgsteele||work: eh, how is libnss-ldap failing? |
| 23:57.00 | rgsteele||work | azeem: perl: ldap-nss.c:1376: do_init: Assertion `cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)' failed. |
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| 23:57.21 | azeem | rgsteele||work: it's always helpful to cite error messages first |
| 23:57.52 | azeem | rgsteele||work: are you sure that's not just saying "your configuration is bad/invalid"? |
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| 23:59.34 | rgsteele||work | azeem: I did an apt-get remove --purge on it, and then tried reinstalling, but that didn't even give me a chance to enter new values. dpkg-reconfigure fails immediately with the same error. |
