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| 00:10.02 | comfrey | hey all, i am running a proliant ML350... |
| 00:10.30 | comfrey | with moderate disk use the load goes way up... |
| 00:10.59 | comfrey | and the system slows way down |
| 00:11.12 | comfrey | just copying files can bring the thing to a crawl |
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| 00:12.29 | prolix_ | the weirdest thing. when i booted into debian with the ethernet plugged in, it showed that i had a connection, but wouldn't work? |
| 00:12.56 | tudon | comfrey: is udma enabled for hardisk |
| 00:12.59 | prolix_ | i unplugged the cord, plugged it back in and voila. ? should i check something? |
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| 00:16.00 | tudon | hmm i have a marvel ethernet controler (which i do not use now) that some times would not work after boot if the machine had booted into windows befor booting linux . |
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| 00:17.07 | prolix_ | heh |
| 00:17.09 | comfrey | tudon: it is a cciss... |
| 00:17.30 | comfrey | can dma be enabled on a raid controller? |
| 00:18.34 | tudon | normaly all modern drives use udma ... check with hdparm current status |
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| 00:19.31 | tudon | but i suspect that is not the problem. i would find it very strange if a system would not detect and enable that correclty |
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| 00:22.52 | tudon | hdparm /dev/hdX -i would give you the drives information comfrey |
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| 00:24.04 | tudon | it will show an * at the current active mode |
| 00:24.12 | blahdeblah-lap | Hi folks. Is there a way to convert an existing filesystem to an encrypted one in-place? I have a disk with very little free space that i need to encrypt. |
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| 00:25.17 | comfrey | it is /dev/cciss/c0d0 ... and won't give much info |
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| 00:25.40 | comfrey | just readahead, readonly and geometry |
| 00:25.46 | comfrey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.06 | comfrey | with "-i" or "-I" |
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| 00:26.29 | tudon | i |
| 00:26.47 | tudon | well i can only tell you . that here it does show udma and such infos |
| 00:27.08 | comfrey | really? on cciss? |
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| 00:27.11 | comfrey | hmm... |
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| 00:27.21 | comfrey | maybe something is off in the config |
| 00:27.31 | comfrey | controller bios or something |
| 00:27.45 | tudon | not cciss |
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| 00:28.15 | tudon | i have normal sda sata |
| 00:28.22 | comfrey | oh, ok. |
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| 00:28.39 | tudon | maybe try sdparm |
| 00:29.01 | RedEyess | I have looked around for answer to why Firefox 3 beta 5 (and previous betas) do not start up in ONLINE MODE under Debian/Lenny. |
| 00:29.08 | RedEyess | has anyone else had this problem? |
| 00:29.59 | icesword | what you mean by don't start up in online mode |
| 00:30.02 | tudon | how would one notice that? |
| 00:31.12 | benjamindees | any tips on 'forward-porting' a kernel from sarge to etch? |
| 00:31.15 | RedEyess | it always starts in "Work Offline" mode. |
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| 00:31.46 | RedEyess | I have gone to about:config in firefox |
| 00:31.52 | icesword | uhhh,no i am using it,no .i don;'g have this |
| 00:32.01 | RedEyess | and tried to change offline settings but I still get the same problem. |
| 00:32.17 | tudon | comfrey: im not sure what kind of (u)dma cciss uses or should use |
| 00:32.30 | icesword | in file>offline,tick it off? |
| 00:32.44 | RedEyess | but i have to do that everytime the browser starts up |
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| 00:33.10 | icesword | strange |
| 00:33.42 | RedEyess | yeppp |
| 00:33.55 | icesword | you could goto irc.mozilla.org #firefox |
| 00:33.58 | jsubl2 | RedEyess: did you try starting it with a home page url |
| 00:34.38 | RedEyess | yes... |
| 00:34.43 | RedEyess | to news.bbc.co.uk |
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| 00:36.52 | g_see | does anyone know where debian stores the string "Debian etch distribution" or "(Debian)" ? because mysql sets this as a system-value for a variable - i've got 3 machnies here, all 3 should be equal since the installation was equal, but mysql says on 2 "(Debian)" and on one it says "Debian etch distribution" |
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| 00:40.45 | mrgenixus | I creatd a fat32 partition in linux using fdisk, mkfs.vfat and put data on it. everything is good that far. car get data off, etc. |
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| 00:41.04 | mrgenixus | I can't get windows to recognize the partition |
| 00:41.14 | mrgenixus | help. !??! |
| 00:41.18 | gumpish | dur... so it looks like dhcpd on etch doesn't support address pools? |
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| 00:41.31 | gumpish | (coming from ubuntu 5.04) |
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| 00:42.13 | Orion_X11 | Rosengarden has asked me for a jack-server how can I install it from synaptic? There is no jack-server in synaptic, but jack. Are they the same? |
| 00:42.37 | mrgenixus | gumpish: um??? are your pools configured correctly for your environment? are you reporting your hostname to the dhcp server? |
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| 00:42.53 | mrgenixus | Orion_X11: Jack is a server ... I should think so. |
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| 00:43.19 | mrgenixus | is frustrated becuase noone has ever solved my problem, therefore there is no solution |
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| 00:43.43 | beoba | hi, my sound card kernel module has gone missing in 2.6.24, after working just fine in 2.6.22 |
| 00:43.46 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:43.49 | beoba | the module is snd-cs46xx |
| 00:43.50 | tudon | orion look for jack audio packages |
| 00:43.53 | Akuw | i want to umlunt my cdrom |
| 00:43.59 | beoba | where did it go, and how do i get it back? |
| 00:43.59 | gumpish | er, dhcpd won't start because it can't parse my old dhcpd.conf (from ubuntu 5.04) which has pool statements (which is where it's choking according to syslog) - also the man page for dhcpd.conf in etch makes no metion of address pools. =/ |
| 00:44.08 | Akuw | but i got this umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy |
| 00:44.13 | tudon | anything with jack |
| 00:44.30 | mrgenixus | Akuw: is the device busy? |
| 00:44.31 | beoba | Akuw: it'll do that if you are in the cdrom directory at |
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| 00:44.41 | icesword | Akuw, eject |
| 00:44.50 | beoba | *the time |
| 00:44.50 | benjamindees | Akuw, lsof|grep '/media/cdrom0' |
| 00:44.53 | Akuw | i don't have anithing accessing cd |
| 00:45.08 | mrgenixus | Akuw: are you in the cdrom directory in a terminal |
| 00:45.32 | Akuw | dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:45.34 | Akuw | yes |
| 00:45.45 | mrgenixus | did you 'su' or 'sudo su' while in the cdrom driectory? any actve terminal session in that dir? |
| 00:45.53 | mrgenixus | so 'cd' out |
| 00:46.00 | Akuw | man, now i can, i was in cdrom dir |
| 00:46.03 | Akuw | thanks |
| 00:46.14 | mrgenixus | no problem. very common mitake |
| 00:46.15 | icesword | mrgenixus, i think it is normal,what you write under linux to a fat32 partition,windows will treate it as fragiles,if you have windows,i noticed this |
| 00:46.45 | mrgenixus | icesword: yes. it shouldn't. I should be able to change SOMETHING to correct the problem que no? |
| 00:47.01 | icesword | partition table? |
| 00:47.13 | beoba | hi, my sound card kernel module has gone missing in 2.6.24, after working just fine in 2.6.22 |
| 00:47.17 | beoba | the module is snd-cs46xx |
| 00:47.19 | beoba | where did it go, and how do i get it back? |
| 00:47.27 | mrgenixus | icesword: da. put I'm not sure what to change to make it work... I don't understand why it doesn't work now |
| 00:47.32 | mrgenixus | beoba: what sound card? |
| 00:47.39 | mrgenixus | oh, sorry |
| 00:47.40 | beoba | fortissimo iii |
| 00:47.55 | beoba | optical out for like $40 back in 2004 or thereabouts |
| 00:47.56 | mrgenixus | beoba: lsmod | grep snd-cs46xx |
| 00:48.03 | beoba | mrgenixus: yes, the file is gone |
| 00:48.16 | mrgenixus | have you tried modprobe snd-cs46xx |
| 00:48.43 | beoba | terminus:/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci# ls /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci | grep 46xx |
| 00:48.46 | beoba | cs46xx |
| 00:48.49 | beoba | terminus:/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci# ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci | grep 46xx |
| 00:48.52 | beoba | terminus:/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci# |
| 00:48.55 | beoba | the file is gone |
| 00:49.00 | beoba | there dont appear to be any packages which contain it, either |
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| 00:49.10 | stephen2 | is GNOME 2.22 in ETCH yet |
| 00:49.29 | beoba | so yeah more than mildly irritating |
| 00:49.31 | benjamindees | yet? |
| 00:49.50 | mrgenixus | could it be compiled into the kernel? what sort of output do you get in dmesg about the card? |
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| 00:50.20 | beoba | terminus:~# dmesg | grep 46 |
| 00:50.20 | beoba | terminus:~# |
| 00:51.03 | beoba | i noticed it had been broken when: |
| 00:51.04 | beoba | terminus:~# alsamixer |
| 00:51.04 | beoba | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 00:51.09 | mrgenixus | beoba: pastebin.ca |
| 00:51.15 | beoba | two lines oh noes |
| 00:51.17 | Wyzard | stephen2: etch will never have GNOME 2.22... stable releases like etch don't get new software put into them |
| 00:51.22 | mrgenixus | secondly, please post full dmesg |
| 00:51.31 | Wyzard | stephen2: When lenny is released, it will have a newer version of GNOME |
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| 00:52.54 | stephen2 | Wyzard NO |
| 00:53.01 | stephen2 | Wyzard how long *tear* *tear* |
| 00:53.26 | beoba | http://pastebin.ca/970408 |
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| 00:53.48 | benjamindees | stephen2, just upgrade to testing |
| 00:53.54 | beoba | it looks like the compiler also decided to disable /proc/config.gz so i cant tell what they did |
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| 00:54.08 | icesword | mrgenixus, did you try mount it in windows? |
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| 00:55.14 | mrgenixus | icesword: yeah.... disk management says "unknown partition" and "healthy" but only delete partition ISN"t greyed-out |
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| 00:55.40 | mrgenixus | beoba: ...or failed to enable... what does lspci give you? |
| 00:55.59 | mrgenixus | http://pastebin.ca/970408 |
| 00:56.18 | beoba | 00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) |
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| 00:56.57 | beoba | terminus:~# ls /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-k7/kernel/sound/pci | grep 46xx |
| 00:56.57 | beoba | cs46xx |
| 00:56.57 | beoba | terminus:~# ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci | grep 46xx |
| 00:56.58 | beoba | terminus:~# |
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| 00:57.22 | beoba | has the module been moved to an external package? im not finding anything |
| 00:57.48 | mrgenixus | run m-a that, that should list all the packeaged modules |
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| 00:58.16 | beoba | "m-a that" ? |
| 00:58.27 | Wyzard | snd-cs46xx seems to be in etch's kernel, but not sid's current kernel |
| 00:58.38 | beoba | Wyzard: yes, im hitting the same issue |
| 00:58.39 | Wyzard | It might not be supported anymore |
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| 00:58.52 | Wyzard | The kernel developers periodically remove drivers that aren't being maintained anymore |
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| 00:58.58 | beoba | ill check upstream |
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| 01:01.28 | beoba | no its still there |
| 01:01.33 | beoba | even in the source debs |
| 01:01.34 | beoba | sound/pci/cs46xx/ |
| 01:01.49 | beoba | so someone just screwed up the config |
| 01:02.09 | schizorichard | the elite hackers site is back up :) |
| 01:02.32 | mrgenixus | so you should be able to compile it as a module... could it be that it's compiled into the initrd and that the wrong oneis configured? |
| 01:02.42 | schizorichard | www.elite-hackers.com |
| 01:02.52 | icesword | mrgenixus, it is messed up,i think |
| 01:02.56 | beoba | mrgenixus: why would it ever be like that? |
| 01:03.21 | icesword | mrgenixus, try rebuild ppt,or create it under windows |
| 01:03.27 | beoba | and b) how do i go about doing that |
| 01:03.33 | beoba | (compiling module manually) |
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| 01:13.18 | beoba | yeah, turns out it was intentionally removed for political reasons of all things |
| 01:13.22 | beoba | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/02/msg00562.html |
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| 01:14.17 | schizorichard | does anyone in here want to learn how to HACK???!!12 |
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| 01:17.29 | beoba | got help via OFTC:#debian: |
| 01:17.39 | beoba | # m-a a-i alsa |
| 01:17.43 | beoba | # modprobe snd-cs46xx |
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| 01:19.38 | Akuw | i try to run systemrescuecd, but i get an error trying to load |
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| 01:19.58 | dvs | beoba: is snd-cs46xx in your /etc/modules file? |
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| 01:20.15 | Akuw | i686: unknown |
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| 01:27.38 | Akuw | app to check md5 of file? |
| 01:27.50 | dvs | uh... md5sum? |
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| 01:28.51 | Akuw | thanks |
| 01:29.39 | icesword | hash |
| 01:30.04 | prolix_ | could someone please translate this for me: "Make sure that /lib/modules/VERSION/build is a link to the kernel source..." |
| 01:30.46 | icesword | it means make sure that file is link file to some kernel source code |
| 01:30.47 | Wyzard | prolix_: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 01:31.07 | prolix_ | icesword and Wyzard: thank you |
| 01:31.21 | Wyzard | prolix_: "build" is meant to be a symlink to the headers that the kernel VERSION in question was compiled from |
| 01:31.25 | dvs | never noticed that before |
| 01:31.45 | Wyzard | prolix_: Each linux-image package has a corresponding linux-headers package which provides those headers, and that symlink |
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| 01:32.42 | liable | hmm, my etch box segfault last night |
| 01:32.49 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:32.54 | dvs | say it isn't so?!? |
| 01:33.07 | Wyzard | liable: segfault is something that happens to an individual process, not an entire computer... what program crashed? |
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| 01:33.13 | prolix_ | Wyzard: thank you for :) |
| 01:33.37 | prolix_ | yeah, that for shouldn't be in there, but it'll have to do for now |
| 01:33.38 | liable | Wyzard: well, it oops the kernel, but i think it was chkrootkit |
| 01:34.15 | Wyzard | ah, a kernel oops is different :-) |
| 01:34.33 | dvs | like I said before... o_O |
| 01:35.09 | liable | thats the first time that box has had an oops in 3 years :( |
| 01:35.29 | Wyzard | prolix_: The linux-image metapackages (e.g. linux-image-2.6-686) also have corresponding linux-headers metapackages (e.g. linux-headers-2.6-686)... it's a good idea to install that so that when your kernel gets updated, you get the new headers too |
| 01:36.55 | Wyzard | liable: My router (running etch*4 on Xen) has locked up a few times in the past month or two... haven't yet determined the cause though |
| 01:37.22 | liable | hmm, looks like it logcheck |
| 01:37.25 | liable | was* |
| 01:37.53 | liable | odd, as there have been no updates for anything lately on it.. |
| 01:38.05 | liable | Wyzard: locked up hard? |
| 01:38.31 | Wyzard | As far as I can tell, yes... pressing keys didn't un-blank the console |
| 01:38.31 | liable | thats always a pain to work out. |
| 01:38.43 | Wyzard | (so if there was an oops message, I couldn't see it) |
| 01:38.45 | liable | netconsole ftw |
| 01:39.13 | Wyzard | Well, I just used setterm to disable console blanking, and turned off the monitor instead |
| 01:39.29 | prolix_ | Wyzard: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 01:39.40 | prolix_ | i'm pretty new at all of this. please, bear with me. |
| 01:40.06 | Wyzard | but then I replaced the monitor with a different one, and when the router locked up again (a few days ago), I still got no picture even after turning the monitor on |
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| 01:40.28 | Wyzard | so I hit reset because I wanted my Internet back, and afterward realized that the new monitor just had its brightness knob turned down all the way :-) |
| 01:40.41 | Wyzard | prolix_: If you're running the -686 kernel, that's correct |
| 01:41.13 | prolix_ | Wyzard: thank you |
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| 01:42.05 | Wyzard | prolix_: Make sure you have linux-image-2.6-686 too, though you probably already do |
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| 01:43.23 | prolix_ | Wyzard: yes, it is already there |
| 01:44.07 | prolix_ | does the bot happen to have any information on extracting a .inf file from a .exe? |
| 01:44.35 | arubin | what exactly is the exe? |
| 01:44.57 | prolix_ | arubin: it's a windows wi-fi driver for ndiswrapper |
| 01:45.10 | arubin | ah |
| 01:45.22 | arubin | I don't know how to help you, I was just curious |
| 01:45.35 | prolix_ | thank you though |
| 01:46.04 | Wyzard | prolix_: If it's a Broadcom driver, there's a "fwcutter" tool for that |
| 01:46.21 | bolt | ROARR! |
| 01:47.13 | prolix_ | Wyzard: to be honest with you, i don't exactly know which device i have. |
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| 01:47.40 | prolix_ | Wyzard: on the fact sheet which came with the machine, it says realtek wireless-lan802.11b/g |
| 01:48.02 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno then |
| 01:48.19 | Wyzard | The only wireless devices I have experience with are ipw2200 and prism54 |
| 01:49.18 | prolix_ | i just want to sit on the couch and play with this o.s. |
| 01:49.28 | prolix_ | sighs |
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| 01:50.22 | vvd | playin on the couch eh? |
| 01:50.53 | vvd | be careful! |
| 01:51.13 | prolix_ | heh |
| 01:51.46 | prolix_ | and the nights are getting warmer so it would be nice to be able to sit outside once in a while |
| 01:52.03 | prolix_ | i'm wasting time. i should be doing. |
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| 02:11.37 | phorce1 | irssi gurus ... changing channel "windows" is accomplished with <ALT>(window #) --- what if I open more than 10 windows? How does one change then? Only by hand using /window commands? |
| 02:14.57 | amphi | phorce1: here I can use letters, alt-q - o or so |
| 02:15.07 | amphi | phorce1: top row |
| 02:16.18 | phorce1 | amphi: Thanks. I'll have to try that. I just did a "houscleaning" to get me back under 10 windows by closing some DCC chat's I'd left inactive. |
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| 02:18.28 | phorce1 | I'm trying to get my current config cleaned up with the channels in some logical groupings so I can save it before a reboot into a new kernel. |
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| 02:20.35 | htmlol | hey sexies. |
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| 02:21.13 | antum | Hi, I'm getting a segmentation fault when trying to run this 5-line backup script: http://pastebin.com/d2b5e26f5 running each command individually works fine... |
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| 02:21.36 | antum | the segmentation fault occurs in line 4 |
| 02:22.00 | vvd | in aptitude, n is to show next search match, whats the back key? |
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| 02:22.46 | vvd | p, b no work, hmm |
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| 02:23.33 | vvd | i mean previous |
| 02:23.37 | kamui | locales is taking way to long ot configure |
| 02:23.45 | kamui | how can I remove the package |
| 02:23.59 | kamui | aptitude remove locales says its not properly configured |
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| 02:24.17 | kamui | and I can't aptitude install anything until I do a dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:24.26 | kamui | which restarts the same crappy process of building locales |
| 02:24.49 | vvd | kamui: cant you reconfigure it to select only those locales you need? |
| 02:25.27 | kamui | dpkg-reconfigure locales yields a package not properly installed |
| 02:25.30 | kamui | I tried that too vvd |
| 02:25.46 | kamui | trying a purge -f but I dont think thats likely to help either |
| 02:26.34 | kamui | nevermind |
| 02:26.36 | kamui | it worked ;) |
| 02:26.43 | kamui | man, I though I was stuck |
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| 02:26.59 | kamui | I have less leway on this linkstation NAS |
| 02:27.13 | kamui | flashed with debian arm |
| 02:27.23 | kamui | well, flashed and installed |
| 02:27.37 | smoke_ | ok i think i finished this vps setup, now i need help with this last step, im about to xfer my domain name i registereed at yahoo to point to the nameservers that my vps is on |
| 02:28.09 | smoke_ | can i just set the name servers to the nameservers that came with my vps hosting? and manage my domain stuff thru the vps doamin management side? |
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| 02:30.23 | optraz | hi, is there any sample for licence in packaing for debian? |
| 02:30.35 | optraz | hi, is there any sample for vendor licence in packaging for debian? |
| 02:32.16 | gravity | optraz: What do you mean by vendor exactly? |
| 02:32.35 | amphi | optraz: there should be a copy of the GPL lying about somewhere ;) |
| 02:32.38 | gravity | optraz: There's a bunch of standard licenses in /usr/share/common-licenses |
| 02:32.57 | gravity | optraz: Those are the ones you're encouraged to use rather than inventing yet another painful, crappy, and generally useless license |
| 02:32.58 | optraz | gravity: im package my source code for my company. so im thinking including copyright for the licence |
| 02:33.29 | optraz | gravity: /usr/share/common-licenses have check this link before but all GPL, we are looking for full copyright for our sourcecode. |
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| 02:33.59 | gravity | optraz: GPL doesn't remove your copyright, but whatever. If you want fully proprietary licenses, you'll have to look elsewhere. |
| 02:34.12 | gravity | optraz: Debian only includes Free Software by the Social Contract |
| 02:35.25 | optraz | gravity: i see. yes, we are looking something like fully proprietary licenses. we have a few packaging + we build our software based on the debian distro. |
| 02:35.42 | optraz | so you are explaining i cant co-exist my company pacakges with the debian distro ? |
| 02:36.05 | \amethyst | optraz: you can, but debian isn't going to come with example proprietary licenses |
| 02:36.20 | \amethyst | optraz: if you want a proprietary license, surely you can afford a copyright lawyer |
| 02:36.29 | optraz | \amethyst: exactly, now im looking for eample proprietary licences |
| 02:36.40 | gravity | optraz: Debian doesn't carry any examples for proprietary licenses |
| 02:36.51 | \amethyst | some of the packages in non-free might |
| 02:36.56 | optraz | \amethyst: yes, we will but we are looking for an example of licence and how to incorporate into our packages |
| 02:36.58 | gravity | optraz: You're free to run whatever code you want on Debian, but you'll have to look elsewhere for those licenses |
| 02:36.58 | \amethyst | but that's not technically Debian |
| 02:37.11 | gravity | \amethyst: Maybe, although those include the right to redistribute. He probably doesn't want that. |
| 02:37.17 | phorce1 | optraz: you can build Debian packages of your software but if it is ever to be included in the debian tree it would only be available to those using the non-free apt sources. Or, you would have to distribute it yourself. |
| 02:37.24 | \amethyst | optraz: Have you looked at the Windows EULA ? |
| 02:38.12 | optraz | \amethyst: no i didnt not, im assuming there is for sure there are some vendor had that before, well, the non-free mentioned just now is a good start to track down the licences |
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| 02:39.57 | Akuw | QEMU acceleration layer not activated |
| 02:39.57 | Akuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.03 | phorce1 | optraz: Note what gravity said. If you ever want your software to be available to Debian users without you managing a special distribution method then your license MUST include the right to redistribute the software for it to be included in the non-free tree. |
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| 02:42.01 | optraz | phorce1: thanks for that piece of info, but do you have a good link for that for further reading ? |
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| 02:44.37 | phorce1 | optraz: Not really. The easiest way to get a wide variety to review that I can think of would be to throw together a "test machine" with a base Debian install then install the -doc files from many different packages in the non-free apt sources lists. Faster than picking the license files out of the packages online. |
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| 02:45.45 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 02:45.59 | azurite | salutations ye noble sir! |
| 02:46.24 | Azar | man.. |
| 02:46.25 | optraz | mmm |
| 02:46.27 | optraz | ok |
| 02:46.37 | azurite | hows life |
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| 02:46.58 | Azar | blue without Lenny |
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| 02:47.15 | azurite | what happened to lenny |
| 02:47.18 | azurite | ? |
| 02:47.37 | Azar | nothing that what happened |
| 02:47.49 | UserReg_CL | hi... helpme please... script qos not work .. http://pastebin.ca/970545 where is problem? |
| 02:47.50 | cornmoon_blue | hello |
| 02:48.15 | vvd | whats the cmd to list sqlite tables from an opened database? |
| 02:48.35 | vvd | oops, kinda wrong chan |
| 02:48.37 | icesword | cornmoon_blue, hello |
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| 02:50.09 | jeremy_c | How can I determine how much disk activity is going on? |
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| 02:51.06 | icesword | WormFood, hiya |
| 02:51.15 | htmlol | install gkrellm and look at the hdd thingy. I'm sure there's a simpler wy, but that one's cool. |
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| 02:51.31 | jeremy_c | that's a gui right? This is a server. |
| 02:51.40 | jeremy_c | I only have ssh connectivity. |
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| 02:51.45 | jeremy_c | and no X on it. |
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| 02:52.11 | WormFood | hi icesword, how are you doing? I'm in 深圳 today :) |
| 02:52.43 | phorce1 | optraz: http://www.debian.org/legal/licenses/ |
| 02:52.50 | WormFood | need to help my friend hang up laundry, back in a few minutes |
| 02:52.50 | icesword | WormFood, fine,er,hehe,have a look at this,http://geotool.servehttp.com/ |
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| 02:53.43 | WormFood | who is that icesword ? |
| 02:54.09 | icesword | lookup your ip there |
| 02:54.24 | WormFood | oh...I see now |
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| 02:54.52 | WormFood | funny it has "sz" in the reverse name lookup, but the ip-to-location says guangzhou |
| 02:55.05 | htmlol | jeremy_c: ah. that won't work then. |
| 02:55.08 | RyanRyan52 | where would be the right place to mount a second hard drive? in /media? |
| 02:55.18 | RyanRyan52 | thats for removable though... |
| 02:55.32 | htmlol | wherever you want |
| 02:55.32 | WormFood | RyanRyan52, wherever you want...there is no "right place" |
| 02:55.36 | icesword | WormFood, ya,it says mine in beijing,haha |
| 02:56.00 | RyanRyan52 | there should be...it gets hard for me to decide? :D where do ppl normally put it? |
| 02:56.06 | WormFood | in usa they are not too far off, but I suspect outside of usa they don't care much |
| 02:56.14 | htmlol | /media/hdb1 would be ok, if you want a ssuggestion |
| 02:56.18 | icesword | en |
| 02:56.20 | WormFood | RyanRyan52, I mount my stuff in /mnt...I *hate* automounters |
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| 02:57.07 | RyanRyan52 | will mount it to /media/md1 then... |
| 02:57.08 | WormFood | RyanRyan52, I just mount mine as /mnt/hda{1,2,3}, /mnt/sd{a,b,c}{1,2,3}, etc |
| 02:57.27 | icesword | WormFood, you are on win or lin,how do you input chinese |
| 02:57.35 | WormFood | I'm on Linux |
| 02:57.40 | WormFood | I use scim to input chinese |
| 02:57.43 | WormFood | works rather well |
| 02:57.57 | WormFood | ä¸Â国 :) |
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| 02:58.21 | htmlol | you speak chinese? cool. |
| 02:58.29 | WormFood | I used to use google translate to translate english to chinese, pick out the characters I wanted, then copy/paste them :) |
| 02:58.33 | WormFood | I do not speak chinese |
| 02:58.53 | WormFood | I can only say very simple stuff like "hello", "I don't understand", "I don't know" |
| 02:59.00 | icesword | WormFood, heheh |
| 02:59.14 | WormFood | I tend to use "I don't know far too much" |
| 02:59.18 | htmlol | hehe that works |
| 02:59.40 | WormFood | in fact, I'm putting off my chinese lessons to talk here...but I was trying to solve one computer problem real quick before I started |
| 03:00.15 | Azar | jeremy_c: I guess you could use htop |
| 03:00.24 | WormFood | ok, I go now, try to learn more chinese....see you guys later |
| 03:00.38 | optraz | phorce1: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/a/atmel-firmware/current/copyright |
| 03:01.30 | WormFood | oh icesword, I avoid using "88" to say bye, except on chinese channels....because in ham radio "88" means "hugs and kisses" |
| 03:02.16 | icesword | hehe,interesing |
| 03:02.17 | optraz | WormFood: zhong guo ren |
| 03:02.37 | htmlol | oh, so I get nohugs and kisses? it's over, WormFood. |
| 03:02.41 | WormFood | optraz, not me...I'm mei gou ren |
| 03:02.51 | WormFood | l8r |
| 03:02.58 | optraz | WormFood: zhong guo huo sucks big time |
| 03:03.14 | icesword | big time? |
| 03:03.47 | WormFood | big time = a lot |
| 03:03.56 | Akuw | anybody here can help with Qemu? |
| 03:04.16 | icesword | optraz, like what |
| 03:04.19 | htmlol | icesword: you've never heard that? where are you from? |
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| 03:05.25 | martianixor | hi, guys now I'm using mplayer-plugin instead of totem for epiphany for embedded video in browsers in general, but I noticed that the picture is much worse than how it was using totem-mozilla, any suggestions? |
| 03:05.37 | optraz | icesword: http://reviews.ebay.com/BEWARE-of-FAKE-1GB-2GB-4GB-8GB-USB-Flash-Drives-on-eBay_W0QQugidZ10000000001236200 |
| 03:05.42 | icesword | k |
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| 03:06.28 | martianixor | provided that I'm having problems with totem, and that's why I moved to mplayer-plugin |
| 03:06.59 | martianixor | and I couldn't find a package called w32codec |
| 03:07.44 | icesword | optraz, ahhh,water huo |
| 03:07.45 | martianixor | a correction, I meant mplayerplug-in |
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| 03:08.40 | optraz | icesword: yea sucks! con man, my manager bought four 4gb drive pendrive from china |
| 03:08.47 | martianixor | now it doesn't even connect |
| 03:08.52 | optraz | all four broke within 1 week time. |
| 03:08.58 | optraz | icesword: are you china? |
| 03:09.08 | icesword | optraz, ya,what brand |
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| 03:09.33 | cornmoon_blue | hello |
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| 03:10.17 | optraz | icesword: u china man!!! |
| 03:10.22 | optraz | it was sony |
| 03:10.28 | optraz | made inchina |
| 03:10.48 | icesword | god,sony produce pen drive? |
| 03:11.11 | optraz | ASK your countryman |
| 03:11.12 | optraz | con man |
| 03:11.12 | htmlol | optraz: wow, that's surprising.... |
| 03:11.34 | icesword | whatever,offtopic,it is,i think,let 's drop it |
| 03:11.49 | icesword | htmlol, surprising? |
| 03:11.58 | optraz | yes, let's drop it |
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| 03:12.05 | optraz | but just to highlight here |
| 03:12.08 | htmlol | that it's made in china. sarcasm |
| 03:12.09 | optraz | dont get cheated |
| 03:13.15 | icesword | optraz, in chinese,there is a word,pian yi mei hao huo |
| 03:13.29 | icesword | hao huo bu pian yi |
| 03:14.22 | optraz | icesword: well, i dont want to go into that phrase, i think that is why the ppl live there suffer as everybody tends to con. |
| 03:14.35 | optraz | icesword: drop this topic, not debian topic! |
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| 03:22.10 | DustyBin | thank heavens for fail2ban |
| 03:22.11 | DustyBin | The IP 68.165.180.249 has just been banned by Fail2Ban after |
| 03:22.12 | DustyBin | 3 attempts against sasl. |
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| 03:24.10 | d3lf1n0 | hi |
| 03:24.24 | Edgardoweb | hi |
| 03:25.08 | d3lf1n0 | i have a question buti i'm italian girl...sorry for my bad english i can? |
| 03:25.28 | DustyBin | if a cracker got access to my sasl, what could that mean? |
| 03:25.43 | d3lf1n0 | excused I would want to know if the router beyond to having the hole for ethernet it has also the normal hole thanksÂ… excused my ugly English but I am Italian |
| 03:26.01 | kgoetz | tell d3lf1n0 about it |
| 03:26.07 | kgoetz | !tell d3lf1n0 about it |
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| 03:26.41 | d3lf1n0 | yes but the italian people |
| 03:26.47 | d3lf1n0 | now sleeping |
| 03:26.49 | kgoetz | DustyBin: depends what you use it for, but probably a chunk of your auth/ssl services |
| 03:27.05 | kgoetz | d3lf1n0: you can ask here, but you might have to be patient :) |
| 03:27.19 | d3lf1n0 | ooooooooooooooooooooooook |
| 03:27.20 | Lagbolt | d3lf1n0, what do you mean a normal hole? |
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| 03:27.45 | DustyBin | what are auth/ssl services? |
| 03:27.54 | Lagbolt | d3lf1n0, connections for a wired ethernet connection? |
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| 03:27.56 | DustyBin | why would that be any use to a cracker? |
| 03:27.57 | d3lf1n0 | for phone line |
| 03:28.12 | d3lf1n0 | no ethernet for normal adsl |
| 03:28.24 | kgoetz | DustyBin: gaining control of your usernames/passwords/data wouldnt be useful? |
| 03:28.51 | DustyBin | o_0 |
| 03:28.56 | d3lf1n0 | ahahahahahahahahahahah |
| 03:29.08 | d3lf1n0 | sorry..................... |
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| 03:29.20 | DustyBin | The IP 71.126.110.30 has just been banned by Fail2Ban after |
| 03:29.20 | DustyBin | 4 attempts against sasl. |
| 03:29.26 | DustyBin | another one |
| 03:29.37 | DustyBin | bastard crackers |
| 03:29.44 | kgoetz | DustyBin: why do you have sasl listening on an external port? |
| 03:29.52 | DustyBin | pr 3 19:43:20 server postfix/smtpd[11923]: warning: |
| 03:29.52 | DustyBin | pool-71-126-110-30.phlapa.east.verizon.net[71.126.110.30]: SASL LOGIN authentication |
| 03:29.56 | DustyBin | failed: authentication failure |
| 03:29.57 | Lagbolt | d3lf1n0, they can, the router that i have from my phone company for dsl does but i would think only routers designed specifically for dsl would be the only ones with this feature |
| 03:30.06 | DustyBin | kgoetz: postfix |
| 03:30.26 | d3lf1n0 | ah ok i understand you now thank you^^ |
| 03:31.13 | kgoetz | DustyBin: so their actually attacking postfix |
| 03:31.16 | kgoetz | "attacking" |
| 03:31.21 | DustyBin | yes |
| 03:31.31 | DustyBin | my home mail server |
| 03:31.35 | d3lf1n0 | sorry for my bad english i I must study english grrrrrrr eheheheh |
| 03:31.51 | DustyBin | Apr 3 15:06:46 server postfix/smtpd[11738]: warning: |
| 03:31.51 | DustyBin | h-68-165-180-249.lsanca54.covad.net[68.165.180.249]: SASL LOGIN authentication |
| 03:31.52 | DustyBin | failed: authentication failure |
| 03:32.02 | Lagbolt | d3lf1n0, that helps? no prob |
| 03:32.30 | kgoetz | DustyBin: dont paste lots of stuff in here please :) |
| 03:32.38 | kgoetz | DustyBin: its probably just spammers, not crackers |
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| 03:32.45 | DustyBin | ok |
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| 03:32.57 | DustyBin | spammers are worse than crackers, bastards |
| 03:33.03 | d3lf1n0 | wowwwwwwww thank you....ok now i go to sleep because in italy are 5 30 on the morning...bye bye boyssssss |
| 03:33.40 | Lagbolt | d3lf1n0, night |
| 03:33.54 | Edgardoweb | wazaaa |
| 03:33.56 | d3lf1n0 | night ^^ |
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| 03:34.08 | kgoetz | o_0 crazy europeans |
| 03:34.22 | icesword | hehehe |
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| 03:36.07 | icesword | kgoetz, how do i hide ip,just likeyou |
| 03:36.16 | cr3 | in a debian package, is there a way for the debian/config to call upon a script within the package considering apt-get runs config very early? |
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| 03:37.36 | Wyzard | cr3: debian/config is involved in building the package, not installing it |
| 03:37.40 | Wyzard | cr3: apt-get doesn't run it |
| 03:37.45 | kgoetz | cr3: what do you want to do? |
| 03:38.13 | Wyzard | or maybe I'm thinking of debian/rules |
| 03:38.46 | kgoetz | !tell cr3 about dm |
| 03:38.57 | kgoetz | oops. wrong factoid |
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| 03:39.11 | cr3 | Wyzard: well, the problem is that I have a package where debian/config calls upon a script in the package. when I use dpkg, the package installs just fine. when I use apt-get, config seems to be called way before the package is extracted so the script doesn't exist. |
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| 03:39.32 | kgoetz | !mentors |
| 03:39.32 | dpkg | i heard mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 03:39.54 | kgoetz | cr3: call it in postinst |
| 03:39.58 | Wyzard | cr3: hmm... evidently I don't know much about debian/config (I was indeed thinking of debian/rules, which is unrelated) but that could be related to apt's "preconfigure packages" feature |
| 03:40.03 | kgoetz | ask the mentors for more help |
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| 03:40.10 | Wyzard | cr3: which extracts and processes debconf templates before actually installing stuff |
| 03:40.41 | cr3 | kgoetz: the config is when templates are called, so that's the time I want to run my script |
| 03:41.13 | Wyzard | You can't assume the package has been unpacked at that time, unfortunately |
| 03:41.16 | kgoetz | cr3: i suggest you go and ask #debian-mentors (see !mentors) |
| 03:41.27 | kgoetz | its not something i can answer. |
| 03:41.34 | cr3 | Wyzard: right, that's what I realized too late :) |
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| 03:43.07 | cr3 | kgoetz: ok dude, perhaps what I need to do is strictly do templates prompting in config and then call upon debconf in postinst. I think that's the proper way of doing things |
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| 03:43.29 | kgoetz | shrug |
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| 03:47.04 | Wingard | I have 2 .bat files that I need to run, either manually or by making shell scripts to do the same thing. HEre's a pastebin of them: http://www.pastebin.ca/970587 |
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| 03:47.59 | kgoetz | Wingard: you'll need to write some shell scripts |
| 03:48.31 | Wingard | I'm afraid I'm not very experienced in doing that. Would you be able to help? |
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| 03:48.55 | kgoetz | i'm not famiar with colours in bash. perhaps ask in #bash for best help |
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| 03:49.07 | Wingard | The colours are rather unimportant. |
| 03:49.37 | Akuw | is there any tool to save all my desktop activity in a video mpg ? |
| 03:49.52 | kgoetz | Wingard: what exacty does th bat file do? i'm not familar with .bat at al |
| 03:50.01 | kgoetz | Akuw: yes there is |
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| 03:50.15 | simpletron | i will buy a new thinkpad laptop but i dont know what model between a T61 or T60 what is better? |
| 03:50.21 | kgoetz | well. theres tools to save to video formats. mpeg or not i'm not sure |
| 03:50.22 | Akuw | what ? |
| 03:50.28 | kgoetz | unsure |
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| 03:51.16 | Wingard | Well, the second one compiles *alot* of .java files, and the first one launches what the first one compiled. |
| 03:51.45 | Wingard | er |
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| 03:51.56 | Wingard | And the first one launches what the second one compiled.* |
| 03:52.04 | kgoetz | Wingard: do the java lines work on their own? |
| 03:52.23 | kgoetz | Wingard: also, what are you trying to run ? (i'm wondering if theres a better way) |
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| 03:53.02 | Wingard | Well, honestly, it's a Runescape server. |
| 03:53.25 | kgoetz | ah. not sure of another way to do that *grin* |
| 03:54.02 | kgoetz | i suggest you ask #bash. it should be relatively quick and painless, but its probably worth doing |
| 03:54.07 | kgoetz | afk a while |
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| 03:59.39 | walkies | between kde or gnome, which provides the friendliest debian experience? |
| 03:59.59 | Wyzard | walkies: That's entirely a matter of personal preference |
| 04:00.31 | walkies | so both are equally supported and in turn support all debian applications equally well? |
| 04:00.58 | Wyzard | They're both packaged and supported and have lots of applications |
| 04:01.04 | xuser | I don't use either but gnome its the default. |
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| 04:01.21 | Wyzard | You may like an app built for one DE more than an equivalent app built for the other DE |
| 04:01.45 | Wyzard | e.g. Pidgin vs. Kopete |
| 04:01.49 | walkies | if I want to use a more traditional tiling windows manager, can I still have things like a disktop with folders, or widgets? |
| 04:02.03 | walkies | s/disktop/desktop |
| 04:02.19 | Wyzard | GNOME and KDE both provide a window manager and desktop icons |
| 04:02.26 | Wyzard | So does XFCE, which is more lightweight |
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| 04:03.24 | walkies | xuser, you mentioned using a non-mainstream wm? |
| 04:03.47 | Wyzard | If you want to use just a WM without a desktop environment, Fluxbox seems to be a popular one (though there are many others) and I'm sure there are other packages for putting clickable stuff in the root window |
| 04:04.26 | ice63 | or blackbox |
| 04:05.05 | walkies | hehe, xmonad is a wm written in 500 lines of haskell |
| 04:06.16 | walkies | I feel like a simpler wm will be easier for me to work in as a student of programming |
| 04:06.38 | Wyzard | What does your WM have to do with your ability as a programmer? |
| 04:06.42 | xuser | walkies: Yeah, I always come back to fluxbox :D |
| 04:06.55 | xuser | walkies: gnome is nice though |
| 04:07.15 | ymorin | you can free the fish with gnome |
| 04:07.15 | Wyzard | is a software engineer and uses GNOME too |
| 04:08.40 | walkies | but if you want to add something to gnome do you modify the source, or do you code a plugin? |
| 04:09.00 | Wyzard | GNOME isn't a single huge program |
| 04:09.05 | Wyzard | It's lots of libraries and lots of applications |
| 04:09.18 | Wyzard | You can write your own applications using those libraries |
| 04:09.46 | Wyzard | but if you're a student doing programming assignments, GNOME/KDE/etc. has nothing to do with that |
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| 04:10.11 | walkies | yeah |
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| 04:10.48 | walkies | I guess i was thinking more along the lines of being able to read the system's source and understand how it goes together |
| 04:11.15 | Wyzard | That's a big task since GNOME is big (and KDE too) |
| 04:11.23 | Wyzard | but it's doable |
| 04:11.38 | Vasistha | good evening, all. I'm looking for an app that can reduce the size of a 29 MB pdf, to be a smaller pdf. The file only contains one page of high-res vector graphics. |
| 04:11.50 | Wyzard | Vasistha: gzip? |
| 04:11.58 | Wyzard | Vasistha: or bzip2 or p7zip, for better compression |
| 04:12.12 | walkies | right now I'm studying Foley and van Dam's computer graphics Princples and Practice |
| 04:12.51 | vorpal | walkies: i have a copy on my shelf ;-) |
| 04:13.16 | Vasistha | Wyzard: not bad - 13 MB with a default gzip. although I'd prefer to do a lossy recoding, if there are simple tools? |
| 04:13.19 | walkies | and reading about old windows mangers, like NeXT, and the algorithms they use to blit the windows and such |
| 04:13.42 | walkies | vorpal, it's an amazing book |
| 04:13.47 | Wyzard | Vasistha: I've never heard of tools for doing lossy compression of vector graphics |
| 04:14.04 | vorpal | walkies: yes |
| 04:14.06 | Wyzard | Vasistha: That'd involve things like redefining splines to use fewer vertices |
| 04:14.36 | vorpal | walkies: have you written a ray-tracer yet? |
| 04:15.18 | walkies | just for geometry occlusion |
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| 04:15.22 | Wyzard | Vasistha: "high-res" is kinda meaningless when talking about vector graphics, btw -- the whole point of vector is that you can render it at whatever resolution you want |
| 04:15.24 | Vasistha | twists his face a little as he realizes the inherent trouble |
| 04:15.32 | indraveni | hi all |
| 04:15.49 | Wyzard | Vasistha: complex geometry (e.g. lots of control points) is what makes a vector image big |
| 04:15.54 | indraveni | i am having a doubt in doing debian packaging for kds theme |
| 04:15.55 | Vasistha | Wyzard: maybe I'll just convert it to a jpeg or something |
| 04:16.04 | walkies | vorpal, I've been coding in ruby, and graphics algorithms don't like ruby |
| 04:16.26 | walkies | luckily I found my old copy of dietel and dietel |
| 04:16.42 | Wyzard | I didn't really like that book |
| 04:16.43 | indraveni | through the deb package, to make a gnome theme as default to our system, i added a file like, gconf_defaults and added entries to it like /apps/desktop/interface <themename> etc to that file |
| 04:16.53 | walkies | well, C++ is not hard |
| 04:16.54 | Vasistha | Wyzard: thanks for your great input :) |
| 04:17.02 | indraveni | similaly to make a kde theme as default theme, what is the procedure |
| 04:17.14 | indraveni | could some one help me out here refarding this? |
| 04:17.32 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Try bzip2 or p7zip first |
| 04:17.37 | Wyzard | Vasistha: p7zip is quite good |
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| 04:18.00 | vorpal | walkies: when i finished my first ray-tracer, it could do display rectangular prisms, spheres, light sources, specularity (and reflection). it was a bloody battle, but quite a feeling of accomplishment |
| 04:18.17 | Vasistha | Wyzard: well, the trouble is I doubt the person I'm sending this to is going to know what to do with such a file. Even sending a .zip might be taxing to their know-how :) |
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| 04:19.00 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Windows user? |
| 04:19.20 | vorpal | walkies: i wrote it in C, but if i had to do it again, i would do it in C++ or Java |
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| 04:19.23 | Wyzard | Vasistha: You could use the Windows version of 7-zip to make a self-extracting archive |
| 04:19.43 | Wyzard | vorpal: I've found C++ to be pretty nice for the one I'm working on |
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| 04:19.49 | Vasistha | Wyzard: I don't actually know what they use. I just know that most of the people involved in this project are computer illeterate! |
| 04:19.50 | walkies | vorpal, ruby makes defining data structures and algorithms a pleasure, I feel like a raytracer would be a fun and challenging exercise |
| 04:19.57 | Vasistha | *illiterate |
| 04:20.06 | Wyzard | Vasistha: ah :-/ |
| 04:20.26 | walkies | but I wish there was a way of compiling ruby, it's slow as sin |
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| 04:21.05 | Vasistha | Wyzard: I'm pretty sure it's just being sent so this person can take a quick glance at it and say "okay" -- then I'll send the original to the printer |
| 04:21.06 | Wyzard | vorpal: the magic of inlining lets you write a nice readable API for things like basic geometry operations (points, vectors, rays, etc.) that compiles into very efficient code |
| 04:22.13 | Wyzard | Vasistha: PDF supports compression internally (using the equivalent of gzip, I believe), so you could make a 13MB .pdf that can be opened with a double-click |
| 04:22.30 | walkies | does jave have pointer arithmetic going on? |
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| 04:23.23 | Wyzard | Vasistha: I don't know offhand of a free tool for creating a compressed PDF from an uncompressed one though |
| 04:24.02 | Wyzard | walkies: Java has no pointer arithmetic (nor even pointers, technically) |
| 04:24.11 | vorpal | Wyzard: polymorphism is a biggie for graphics. my C code requred tons of switch code, which is a shame, because much of the rendering pipeline is identical for every object |
| 04:24.39 | Wyzard | vorpal: yeah... I contributed a bit of code to POV-Ray (years ago) and saw much the same there |
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| 04:25.06 | Vasistha | Wyzard: yeah ... that's kinda what I was looking for. oh well :) |
| 04:25.07 | walkies | I wish polymorphism didn't incur such an overhead |
| 04:25.20 | Wyzard | walkies: It's not much different than the overhead you get from the switch structure |
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| 04:26.00 | walkies | well, virtual functions are different from that |
| 04:26.32 | Wyzard | They're implemented differently, but they do basically the same thing |
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| 04:27.31 | vorpal | in any case, performance in graphics routines is mostly a matter of number crunching |
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| 04:27.42 | Wyzard | The inefficiency is that the CPU can't do branch prediction because the function you end up calling is different each time around (sphere intersection this time, cube intersection that time, etc.) |
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| 04:27.52 | Wyzard | It's not an artifact of the particular way that a C++ compiler accomplishes it |
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| 04:28.31 | n3kl | can I organize my /etc/exports file so that each host is on a different line? Will nfs accumulate the exports? |
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| 04:29.31 | vorpal | Wyzard: graphics hardware employs massive parallelism. you can do something similar using vector instructions in CPU |
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| 04:30.43 | Wyzard | That's true, though it's more difficult to parallelize when you can't assume everything is a triangle |
| 04:31.06 | vorpal | true |
| 04:31.12 | walkies | hm |
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| 04:31.18 | Wyzard | I've done some reading about the various SSE instructions and how to use them from C/C++ though... nifty stuff, and I'm keeping an eye out for places to apply it |
| 04:31.33 | walkies | have you guys coded in any dynamically typed languages? |
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| 04:31.49 | Wyzard | sure, Python and Perl primarily |
| 04:32.04 | Wyzard | and shell scripts, if those count |
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| 04:33.09 | walkies | it's so easy to mock up error free code |
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| 04:34.32 | walkies | I wonder if there's a way of turning dynamic code directly into C++ |
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| 04:35.07 | Wyzard | Not that I know of offhand, but there's boost::python for making C++ classes accessible in Python programs |
| 04:35.59 | walkies | and there's Ruby Inline for using C/C++ modules in your code |
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| 04:37.27 | walkies | sometimes i try to find templating engines for other languages, written in some simple scripting lang |
| 04:38.35 | walkies | I'd love to write a ruby class that automatically turns itself into a C++ class and compiles itself |
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| 04:44.55 | vorpal | walkies: computer generated code is certainly possible, although frequently ugly |
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| 04:49.38 | streuner | try kde-look.org or such, there are a number of themes there with README's |
| 04:51.27 | vvd | the new kde4 looks delicious |
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| 05:02.20 | davedorm | help! somehow I hosed my grub |
| 05:02.35 | davedorm | and I am racking my brain to remember how to fix it |
| 05:02.45 | davedorm | I get a grub> command line |
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| 05:03.01 | YHVH | abomination! |
| 05:03.02 | davedorm | I tried running recovery mode of my debian install disk |
| 05:03.14 | davedorm | and no joy |
| 05:03.18 | davedorm | any help appreciated |
| 05:03.37 | jair | compiling the kernel, I finally finish with this ==> http://paste.debian.net/52585 |
| 05:03.47 | vorpal | davedorm: your goal is boot a working kernel. do you have one laying around? |
| 05:03.51 | jair | I think that what I need is create an initrd? |
| 05:03.55 | davedorm | not sure |
| 05:04.06 | davedorm | I think the kernel is still in /boot |
| 05:04.20 | davedorm | I cannot boot to the file system at all |
| 05:04.53 | jair | when I use "yaird" I get this ;-( ---> debiantc1:/boot# yaird --output=/boot/initrd.img |
| 05:04.58 | jair | yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal) |
| 05:05.06 | vorpal | davedorm: what caused your current predicament? |
| 05:05.15 | davedorm | I am not sure really |
| 05:05.23 | stew | jair: is there a reason you are using yaird instead of initramfs-tools? |
| 05:05.25 | davedorm | I was trying to install virtualbox |
| 05:05.34 | davedorm | it kept trying to bring down a new kernel |
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| 05:05.44 | davedorm | and it was running out of room on that partition |
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| 05:05.46 | jair | stew: not it was the first think I found on google ;) |
| 05:05.48 | stew | davedorm: grub has tab completion, so you should be able to determine for sure if the kernel is in /boot |
| 05:06.07 | stew | jair: you are building your own kernel? or what? |
| 05:06.09 | davedorm | I did try, the kernel command |
| 05:06.19 | davedorm | find kernel and such |
| 05:06.25 | davedorm | says file not found |
| 05:06.25 | hobbzilla | Hey all. I just installed phpmyadmin and I see /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf but I have no idea how http://my_ip/phpmyadmin is working as that is not "Included" anywhere in /etc/apache2/* |
| 05:06.33 | davedorm | boot drive is hd0,0 |
| 05:06.33 | hobbzilla | can someone shed any light on this? |
| 05:06.34 | stew | jair: generally, one would only use yaird if they were really trying to avoid udev |
| 05:06.36 | jair | stew: so I compiled using the make all, make modules_install, make install |
| 05:06.45 | jair | ohh |
| 05:06.50 | jair | I like udev though |
| 05:06.59 | hobbzilla | oh well. /var/www/phpmyadmin -> /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 05:07.03 | vorpal | davedorm: let's go back to forensics. you were installing virtual-box, and... |
| 05:07.14 | hobbzilla | I guess I should spend 5 seconds to look a little deeper. |
| 05:07.29 | stew | jair: in the future, we'd recommend using the debian tools for kernel compilation (which would create .debs that create the initrd for you); /msg dpkg kp |
| 05:07.44 | jair | stew: the only thing is that honestly I do not understand what the command initramfs-tools will need for me to create the initrd image |
| 05:07.54 | davedorm | vorpal: it kept erroring because it was out of space to install the new kernel image |
| 05:08.14 | vorpal | oh boy |
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| 05:08.41 | davedorm | that's what I said... |
| 05:08.43 | davedorm | :) |
| 05:08.56 | jair | stew: I am just trying to understand and play with the newest kernel and see how can I compile one |
| 05:08.59 | davedorm | for some reason /boot is terribly small |
| 05:09.10 | davedorm | no room for play |
| 05:09.37 | jair | stew: the weird thing though is that i need this kernel with SMP disabled, in order to test an application that is not supported on SMP kernels, I know sucks |
| 05:09.44 | vorpal | davedorm: you might be able to recover, if you have a bit of know-how, but i'm guessing you probably would be better of starting over |
| 05:09.59 | vorpal | better off* |
| 05:10.01 | davedorm | I have some know-how |
| 05:10.06 | davedorm | not a total n00b |
| 05:10.12 | jair | stew: so if i have what i pasted earlier, what else do i need to create the initrd image for me system |
| 05:10.12 | davedorm | but just really really rusty |
| 05:10.30 | davedorm | been spoiled by *buntu |
| 05:10.38 | davedorm | first Debian install in years |
| 05:10.54 | vorpal | OK, then you need to instruct grub to boot your previous kernel, and then fix your grub configuration |
| 05:11.00 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:11.04 | n3kl | Anyone know reason? By chance? |
| 05:11.12 | davedorm | I am on a KVM... I have the grub prompt |
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| 05:11.22 | davedorm | and determined root is (hd0,0) |
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| 05:12.06 | davedorm | what's next? |
| 05:12.26 | vorpal | man grub |
| 05:12.33 | davedorm | yeah |
| 05:12.38 | davedorm | that would work |
| 05:12.44 | davedorm | if I had an OS |
| 05:13.00 | vorpal | are you irc'ing from the grub prompt? |
| 05:13.09 | davedorm | no, a different PC |
| 05:13.13 | davedorm | on aKVM |
| 05:13.24 | davedorm | but it's *buntu, so I guess I can read there |
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| 05:13.40 | vorpal | sees the light bulb go on |
| 05:14.00 | davedorm | not really |
| 05:14.09 | davedorm | man grub is nearly useless |
| 05:14.28 | zzz_ | davedorm: How large is your boot partition and what fills it up? |
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| 05:14.55 | vorpal | you'll need to gain some familiarity with grub. you are much better off reading the documentation than asking for the magic command sequence here |
| 05:15.03 | davedorm | I don't know like I said I can't boot anything now... but it only had 43 MB remaining |
| 05:15.18 | davedorm | vorpal: the man page is not helpful |
| 05:15.25 | davedorm | srsly, it sucks |
| 05:15.25 | guiss | Hi guys. I have a fresh Debian Stable install and cups hangs whenever I try to access it's web interface by https... the last log message is "Generating SSL server key"... any tip about this? |
| 05:15.26 | kgoetz | "only" 43mb on the boot partition? |
| 05:15.34 | davedorm | yeah, I know... |
| 05:15.37 | vorpal | davedorm: there are other sources, too. |
| 05:15.56 | davedorm | kgoetz: I did not do it, I let the partitioner do a "guided" install |
| 05:16.03 | kgoetz | has boot partitiosn smaller then 43mb |
| 05:16.05 | davedorm | guided me right into a corner |
| 05:16.59 | davedorm | I read some page about grub, ran a wjhole bunch of commands for over an hour before I came here |
| 05:17.01 | jair | stew: I will go read more and come back whenever I have a better understanding |
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| 05:17.17 | davedorm | it all kept saying "file not found" when I tried to find the kernel |
| 05:17.31 | davedorm | again, I'm not a noob |
| 05:17.41 | davedorm | I cannot find the kernel |
| 05:18.18 | zzz_ | davedorm: Do you know the number of the /boot partition? For example, if it is (hd0,1), then enter on the grub command line: "kernel (hd0,1)/<TAB>" and it will show you the available files and directories... |
| 05:18.28 | kgoetz | davedorm: what version of debian? |
| 05:18.39 | davedorm | kgoetz: lenny |
| 05:18.45 | davedorm | zzz_: stand by |
| 05:18.56 | kgoetz | i'm not familr with lenny *disapears again* |
| 05:19.55 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:20.04 | davedorm | zzz_: found the kernel, I activated it |
| 05:20.08 | davedorm | typed boot |
| 05:20.14 | davedorm | now it kernel paniced |
| 05:20.16 | zzz_ | davedorm: No! You forgot the initrd! |
| 05:20.20 | davedorm | h |
| 05:20.21 | davedorm | ah |
| 05:20.24 | davedorm | doh |
| 05:20.27 | davedorm | rebooting |
| 05:20.49 | davedorm | heh |
| 05:21.03 | davedorm | ok so I know where the kernel is |
| 05:21.06 | streuner | !tell davedorm about enter |
| 05:21.11 | zzz_ | davedorm: Here are the commands: "kernel (hd0,...)/... root=/dev/hda1 ro" and "initrd (hd0,...)/initrd-<kernel_version>" and "boot" |
| 05:21.50 | zzz_ | davedorm: Again, use the <TAB> key whenever you don't know the filename. |
| 05:21.52 | Lagbolt | you dont have to put all those hd0 if you do "root (hd0,...)" before all that |
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| 05:22.01 | zzz_ | Lagbolt: You're right. Sorry. |
| 05:22.10 | john1 | anyone know how long I should wait to get a reply from da-manager@d.o? |
| 05:22.22 | vorpal | davedorm: i know this sounds silly, but did you have a list of kernels to boot? |
| 05:22.35 | davedorm | no |
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| 05:23.01 | vorpal | how did you install your new kernel? |
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| 05:23.23 | zzz_ | vorpal: I think the /boot/grub/menu.lst got "damaged" somehow. |
| 05:23.36 | Lagbolt | hmm i came in late. what is the deal? do you not have a bootable grub cd? |
| 05:23.42 | jair | it looks like all I needed to do was: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.4 2.6.24.4 |
| 05:24.13 | streuner | johnf: why? |
| 05:24.15 | zzz_ | jair: Try the following: "update-initramfs -k 2.6.24.4" |
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| 05:24.32 | vorpal | zzz_: i'm trying to establish the how |
| 05:25.07 | johnf | streuner: sent email re becoming a DD again. Has been about 2 weeks wondering if I should chase it in some way or if thats normal |
| 05:25.11 | Lagbolt | davedorm, you had a working install with grub and you did something to hose it or is this a new install? |
| 05:25.13 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 05:25.40 | davedorm | Lagbolt: I hosed it somehow |
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| 05:25.48 | davedorm | all: it is booting now |
| 05:25.53 | Lagbolt | davedorm, what did you do when you hosed it |
| 05:25.59 | davedorm | just not sure what to do to fix it |
| 05:26.08 | Lagbolt | reinstall grub to mbr |
| 05:26.12 | vorpal | something he won't confess to ;-) |
| 05:26.14 | davedorm | Lagbolt: not sure, it halted in the middle of a dpkg operation and froze |
| 05:26.25 | davedorm | vorpal: hahaha.... nooooo.... .:) |
| 05:26.29 | Lagbolt | woah thats not good |
| 05:26.34 | davedorm | yeah |
| 05:26.35 | jair | zzz_: this is what i got :( http://paste.debian.net/52586 |
| 05:26.59 | jair | zzz_: probably something is wrong, or I just need to add the -u to update? |
| 05:27.18 | Lagbolt | well when you get it up might want to do make sure that your packages are configured |
| 05:27.23 | davedorm | well, it WAS booting |
| 05:27.28 | davedorm | now it stopped... |
| 05:27.30 | zzz_ | jair: I am sorry. I forgot about the -u. Yes, either -u or -c in addition to the -k 2.6.24.4 would work. |
| 05:27.35 | Lagbolt | where did it stop? |
| 05:27.52 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 05:27.54 | davedorm | Waiting for root filesystem |
| 05:27.54 | vorpal | davedorm: furthermore, if you have bad hardware, it doesn't matter what you do |
| 05:28.07 | davedorm | vorpal: I am 90% sure the hardware si fine |
| 05:28.14 | davedorm | it's a new box |
| 05:28.30 | Lagbolt | thats not a good sign |
| 05:28.37 | vorpal | new box doesn't mean good hardware, unfirtunately |
| 05:28.42 | Lagbolt | did you remember initrd this time? |
| 05:28.45 | davedorm | I don't want to reinstall |
| 05:28.48 | zzz_ | davedorm: The "/dev/hda1" on the kernel command line was probably wrong. Are you sure that "/dev/hda1" contains the root partition? |
| 05:28.49 | davedorm | Lagbolt: yes, I did |
| 05:29.02 | Lagbolt | is it ide or sata? |
| 05:29.08 | davedorm | yeah, zzz_ I am almost positive |
| 05:29.14 | davedorm | Lagbolt: SATA |
| 05:29.17 | jair | zzz_: debiantc1:/boot# update-initramfs -u 2.6.24.4 |
| 05:29.17 | jair | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-4-686-bigmem |
| 05:29.22 | Lagbolt | /dev/sda1 |
| 05:29.26 | Lagbolt | or what ever the part it |
| 05:29.28 | zzz_ | jair: It takes a little while. |
| 05:29.29 | Lagbolt | do you have a live CD |
| 05:29.40 | Lagbolt | boot it, mount it and look at /boot/grub/menu.1st |
| 05:29.44 | jair | zzz_: that is all it showed me |
| 05:29.46 | Lagbolt | and use what is in there |
| 05:29.47 | jair | nothing else |
| 05:29.51 | davedorm | wow |
| 05:30.00 | davedorm | ok it died, dropped into a busybox shell |
| 05:30.01 | zzz_ | jair: You should run it like this: update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.24.4 |
| 05:30.15 | davedorm | rebooting into grub, trying again |
| 05:30.42 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 05:30.56 | johnf | Hmm maybe a simpler question is should I bother trying to go through the shorter DD process for emeritus DDs or should I just go through the new NM process? |
| 05:31.08 | jair | zzz_: debiantc1:/boot# update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.24.4 |
| 05:31.08 | jair | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.4 has been altered. Cannot update. |
| 05:31.30 | zzz_ | jair: Try this: update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.24.4 |
| 05:31.35 | jair | ok |
| 05:31.37 | streuner | johnf: that's nothing, try it in 2 months again... |
| 05:32.04 | jair | zzz_: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.4 already exists, cannot create. |
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| 05:32.12 | jair | should I delete it? |
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| 05:32.18 | zzz_ | jair: I am sorry. Yes, you should. |
| 05:32.34 | jair | ok I will delete the initrd.img-2.6.24.4 right |
| 05:32.40 | zzz_ | jair: Yes. |
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| 05:33.29 | zzz_ | davedorm: No news? |
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| 05:34.11 | jair | zzz_: debiantc1:/boot# update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.24.4 |
| 05:34.11 | jair | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.4 |
| 05:34.40 | davedorm | zzz_: no |
| 05:34.43 | zzz_ | jair: The initramfs generation takes a while. After it finishes, it is done! |
| 05:34.57 | davedorm | nothing, just hangs there and dies to a busybox prompt |
| 05:35.17 | jair | zzz_: alright but now, I need to make sure I have LVM modules on that initrd image though |
| 05:35.46 | jair | zzz_: how can I make sure that I have the lvm modules there and that grub have my kernel to boot as first option? |
| 05:36.09 | Lagbolt | davedorm, do you have a live cD? |
| 05:36.31 | zzz_ | jair: Add the module names to /etc/modules (one module name on each line). And then regenerate the initramfs: update-initramfs -t -c -k 2.6.24.4 (This should work without having to delete the initramfs image.) |
| 05:36.38 | jair | the thing is that I would like to make sure this don't failed otherwise I will need to wait until tomorrow to see why it failed, since I am remotely compiling this on that server. |
| 05:37.01 | jair | ohhh |
| 05:37.06 | davedorm | Lagbolt: that is a trick question. this box has some weirdness. it won't load any of the *buntu or Mepis livecds I have because of the weird way powernowd works (or rather does not work) with this mobo |
| 05:37.11 | jair | zzz_: I will check that out |
| 05:37.18 | davedorm | I do have agOS livecd |
| 05:37.23 | jair | zzz_: Thank you very much for this important information |
| 05:37.25 | zzz_ | jair: To get the new kernel on grub menu, you should have compiled the kernel with the "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" command. (You need the kernel-package package though.) |
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| 05:37.38 | walkies | where is a good howto on how to install etch from an iso without burning it? |
| 05:37.38 | zzz_ | jair: No problem. |
| 05:37.40 | davedorm | but it does nto see/mount the hdd partitions... neither does my copy of Damn Small |
| 05:37.46 | Lagbolt | davedorm, you can prob turn that off in options on boot, you are using debian right? |
| 05:37.51 | davedorm | I do have the debian net install cd |
| 05:38.01 | Lagbolt | use a debian live cd :) |
| 05:38.17 | davedorm | Lagbolt: I do not know how. that is how I ended up with Debian and not *buntu this time |
| 05:38.18 | Lagbolt | you might be able to fix it with that, not sure. can you chroot from recovery mode? |
| 05:38.29 | davedorm | I can try |
| 05:38.41 | davedorm | I don't have a debian livecd, just the netinst |
| 05:38.46 | Lagbolt | hang on let me google :) |
| 05:38.47 | davedorm | I wish I did!! |
| 05:38.50 | davedorm | kk |
| 05:39.49 | jair | zzz_: you mean that I will need to run that command pointing to the kernel package and then the initrd. |
| 05:40.05 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 05:40.07 | Lagbolt | you can |
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| 05:40.27 | davedorm | from the netinst? |
| 05:40.32 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 05:40.36 | Lagbolt | boot to rescue mode |
| 05:40.44 | davedorm | stand by |
| 05:40.47 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 05:41.47 | zzz_ | jair: First, install the fakeroot and kernel-package packages. Then, go to the directory of the source code of the kernel, usually /usr/src/linux-2.6.24.4 in your case. Then run the following command "fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image" (Literally.) Then you will get a .deb file one directory above the directory of the kernel source code. (Its name should be "linux-image-2.6.24.4...") Install that package and |
| 05:41.47 | zzz_ | voila, you have GRUB menu entries automatically added. |
| 05:42.10 | davedorm | Lagbolt: booting now, it'll be a sec |
| 05:42.18 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 05:42.24 | davedorm | Lagbolt: I am on a KVM, so I have to switch nack and forth |
| 05:42.55 | Lagbolt | davedorm, lil info how many HDs you got in there, if you have more than 1 i assume you know which has your os on it |
| 05:42.58 | jair | zzz_: got it |
| 05:43.24 | zzz_ | jair: This process is very well documented on http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 05:44.01 | jair | zzz_: Thank you very much, I will follow that |
| 05:44.03 | davedorm | Lagbolt: one hdd, SATA 500GB |
| 05:44.18 | davedorm | root is /hda1 |
| 05:44.20 | jair | zzz_: Thanks this will help me to understand better the kernel |
| 05:44.22 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 05:44.30 | Lagbolt | you at rescue prompt? |
| 05:44.38 | zzz_ | jair: No problem. If you have any more questions, I will be glad to answer them. |
| 05:44.50 | davedorm | Lagbolt: I am at the menu in the rescuegui |
| 05:44.59 | davedorm | I can alt-f2 to a shell |
| 05:45.00 | Lagbolt | oh gui? lol |
| 05:45.03 | Lagbolt | yeah shell please |
| 05:45.07 | davedorm | I am lazy... :) |
| 05:45.13 | jair | zzz_: :) |
| 05:45.20 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:45.27 | davedorm | # |
| 05:45.32 | Lagbolt | ok here we go |
| 05:45.37 | Lagbolt | mkdir /rescue |
| 05:45.53 | davedorm | k |
| 05:46.09 | Lagbolt | does the drive show up as /dev/discs/disc0/part1? |
| 05:46.19 | jair | zzz_: well I know that what you are giving me here is the solution, but I am trying to understand how it works, this means that if I go to the current menu.lst I can see examples of other kernels and their parameters, can I just edit one of those and add the entry of the new compiled kernel? |
| 05:46.31 | Lagbolt | if so mount /dev/discs/disc0/part1 /rescue |
| 05:46.39 | Lagbolt | assuming of course that is the part you used |
| 05:46.56 | davedorm | no, it's something like /dev/scsi |
| 05:47.00 | davedorm | hang on |
| 05:47.06 | Lagbolt | well what ever it is find it and mount it |
| 05:47.16 | davedorm | yeah, I need to undock this laptop |
| 05:47.37 | zzz_ | jair: Exactly. You can do that too. How about this: run "update-grub" as root and see if your kernel gets added to "/boot/grub/menu.lst". |
| 05:48.03 | Lagbolt | let me know when you got it mounted davedorm |
| 05:48.05 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 05:48.12 | davedorm | ok, stand by |
| 05:49.27 | jair | zzz_: => http://paste.debian.net/52587 it looks like it added it... |
| 05:49.30 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:49.43 | Lagbolt | ok so you can see everything on the disc? looks ok and what not? |
| 05:49.54 | Lagbolt | if so time to do this "chroot /rescue" |
| 05:49.55 | jair | that means that all i need to do now is make sure that will boot my pkernel in the menu.lst file |
| 05:50.05 | davedorm | it is missing the symkink in the root to vmlinuz |
| 05:50.13 | Lagbolt | thats ok |
| 05:50.13 | davedorm | symlinnk even |
| 05:50.15 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:50.18 | Lagbolt | i dont care bout links |
| 05:50.31 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:50.33 | zzz_ | jair: Yes, it looks like your custom kernel is added to the menu.lst file. |
| 05:50.39 | davedorm | yeah, it looks ok so far |
| 05:50.59 | Lagbolt | ok do the chroot |
| 05:51.13 | davedorm | chroot /rescue, yes? |
| 05:51.15 | Lagbolt | then test it out, do something like dpkg -l and see if it shows all packages you had on that machine |
| 05:52.54 | davedorm | well, dpkg says command not found |
| 05:53.04 | davedorm | but chroot did appear to work |
| 05:53.12 | Lagbolt | yeah? |
| 05:53.30 | zzz_ | Lagbolt: Maybe PATH does not include /usr/bin |
| 05:53.35 | davedorm | yeah, I cannot get to /home it's on another partition, but yeah |
| 05:53.36 | Lagbolt | yeah prob doesnt |
| 05:53.46 | Lagbolt | try /usr/bin/dpkg -l |
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| 05:53.56 | davedorm | no |
| 05:54.04 | Lagbolt | no? |
| 05:54.09 | davedorm | but /usr may be on a different partition |
| 05:54.16 | jair | zzz_: so here -> http://paste.debian.net/52588 |
| 05:54.19 | Lagbolt | wtf? how many parts do you have? |
| 05:54.22 | davedorm | I don't remember how the installer did it |
| 05:54.29 | jair | zzz_: it looks like my kernel is listed as default to boot |
| 05:54.33 | davedorm | I used the "guided" install like an ass |
| 05:54.37 | Lagbolt | oh shit lol |
| 05:54.44 | davedorm | ok |
| 05:54.49 | davedorm | so what next? |
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| 05:55.07 | zzz_ | jair: The paste page only shows the first 10 lines of the file. (Are you sure you pasted it correctly?) |
| 05:55.12 | Lagbolt | try /rescue/usr/bin/dpkg |
| 05:55.19 | jair | zzz_: http://paste.debian.net/52589 |
| 05:55.31 | jair | here is the first entry on the list of kernels |
| 05:55.33 | davedorm | no |
| 05:55.42 | Lagbolt | wtf, can you see your directories? |
| 05:55.49 | Lagbolt | can you go to the /usr/bin dir? |
| 05:56.01 | davedorm | no, it's not there, but /boot is there |
| 05:56.09 | Lagbolt | just /boot? |
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| 05:56.22 | Lagbolt | this explains a lot |
| 05:56.23 | davedorm | and /lib |
| 05:56.25 | zzz_ | jair: The problem is that it doesn't show the initial ramdisk line... There should be line such as "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.4" |
| 05:56.25 | smoke_ | hey guys i have a vps with deb running on it guys, i already setup the web/ftp/email servers and was wondering how i should deal with my domain? |
| 05:56.31 | Lagbolt | in /rescue? |
| 05:56.35 | davedorm | yeah |
| 05:56.49 | jair | ohhh |
| 05:56.50 | smoke_ | if my yahoo is hosting the dns servers should i just forward it to the vps machine's ip address? |
| 05:57.06 | Lagbolt | do "more /rescue/boot/grub/menu.1st" |
| 05:57.07 | smoke_ | (my domain is registereed by yahoo) |
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| 05:57.20 | Lagbolt | find out what the root=/dev/hda line says for your kernel |
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| 05:58.20 | zzz_ | jair: If you used the make-kpkg command to compile the kernel, you wouldn't have these problems. |
| 06:00.01 | davedorm | hmm |
| 06:00.07 | Lagbolt | yeah? |
| 06:00.11 | davedorm | root=/dev/hda2 |
| 06:00.14 | davedorm | ro |
| 06:00.15 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:00.16 | davedorm | woops |
| 06:00.19 | davedorm | ok |
| 06:00.22 | jair | zzz_: http://paste.debian.net/52590 |
| 06:00.28 | jair | I see |
| 06:00.30 | Lagbolt | reboooooooooot and try that in your grub cml |
| 06:00.51 | xerophyte | how can i give sudo access to all except not changing root password ? |
| 06:00.52 | jair | zzz_: this is the 4th time I compile it and there are different ways ;) |
| 06:01.02 | jair | zzz_: very good to know |
| 06:01.31 | Provito | I've just noticed a rose interface, checking the lsmod it appears the rose module has been loaded, however this isn't one of my usual modules. Any reason for this to load? |
| 06:02.26 | zzz_ | jair: If I were you, I would remove the file /vmlinuz and move the /vmlinuz-2.6.24.4 and /initrd.img-2.6.24.4 to the /boot directory and rerun "update-grub". |
| 06:03.44 | davedorm | Lagbolt: nope |
| 06:03.46 | jair | zzz_: the vmlinuz ? let me see where this files are located then |
| 06:03.48 | davedorm | hangs still |
| 06:04.00 | davedorm | at Waiting for root filesystem |
| 06:04.16 | Lagbolt | davedorm, what packages were being configured when it hung? kernel related or grub? |
| 06:04.21 | davedorm | kernel |
| 06:04.23 | zzz_ | jair: Those files are in the root directory, or "/". Remove vmlinuz and move *-2.6.24.4 to /boot. Then, rerun "update-grub" |
| 06:04.24 | Lagbolt | we need to get that chroot working |
| 06:04.28 | davedorm | yeah |
| 06:04.38 | davedorm | I am sooooo pissed |
| 06:04.48 | Lagbolt | first we need to know how your drive is partitioned |
| 06:04.48 | davedorm | I just got it all working the way I liked it |
| 06:04.48 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 06:04.54 | davedorm | yeah |
| 06:04.59 | davedorm | let me look at that |
| 06:05.03 | Lagbolt | go back to it and look the part table |
| 06:05.10 | Lagbolt | tell me how many linux parts you got |
| 06:05.14 | davedorm | I am loading the netinst again |
| 06:05.16 | davedorm | kk |
| 06:08.22 | jair | zzz_: just the vmlinuz file or the initrd as well? |
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| 06:08.31 | davedorm | crap |
| 06:08.35 | Lagbolt | what? |
| 06:08.40 | davedorm | it does not show the labels |
| 06:08.50 | Lagbolt | how do you mean? |
| 06:08.50 | davedorm | like which is which |
| 06:09.00 | zzz_ | jair: Do the following: "rm /vmlinuz" and "mv /*-2.6.24.4 /boot" and "update-grub". |
| 06:09.01 | davedorm | I know /home us hda9 |
| 06:09.10 | Lagbolt | 9? |
| 06:09.13 | davedorm | because I made it the biggest |
| 06:09.14 | Lagbolt | how the fuck many do you have? |
| 06:09.24 | davedorm | 6 |
| 06:09.27 | Lagbolt | sorry about the language :( i dont know if i am allowed to say that ll |
| 06:09.32 | davedorm | heh |
| 06:09.33 | Lagbolt | why?!?!? |
| 06:09.46 | davedorm | I don't know, like I said, I let the installer do it |
| 06:09.51 | davedorm | not my idea |
| 06:10.04 | jair | zzz_: but the *-2.6.24.4 are not located in "/" |
| 06:10.06 | Lagbolt | hmm, i didnt think they did that anymore. anyhow this is what we need |
| 06:10.12 | davedorm | I wanted a separate /home |
| 06:10.23 | Lagbolt | mount each one, and figure out which one has /usr on it |
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| 06:10.33 | davedorm | but it created all these others, like /var and /tmp |
| 06:10.37 | Lagbolt | actually |
| 06:10.47 | jair | zzz_: they are in "/boot" already |
| 06:10.50 | Lagbolt | find the one that has /etc and locate the /etc/ftab |
| 06:10.57 | Lagbolt | that will tell us where they all are |
| 06:11.00 | zzz_ | jair: According to the menu.lst you pasted, they were. If they are in boot, fine. Oh, wait a second. You have a separate /boot partition. Yeah everything should be fine then. |
| 06:11.06 | Lagbolt | then we can mount them all and make chroot work |
| 06:11.08 | jair | *-2.6.24.4 ---> they are in "/boot" |
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| 06:11.22 | zzz_ | jair: Run "update-grub" again and paste resulting file. |
| 06:11.26 | jair | ok |
| 06:11.32 | Testing55 | hi few questions |
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| 06:12.04 | Testing55 | i have debian with xfce (etch) how can i set my resolution ? |
| 06:12.12 | jair | zzz_: http://paste.debian.net/52591 |
| 06:12.17 | Testing55 | i have a widescreen andi n the xfce display changer thing my resolution is not there |
| 06:12.22 | Testing55 | how can i manually set that ? |
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| 06:13.00 | zzz_ | jair: For some reason, "/boot/vmlinuz" persists. Did you remove that file? |
| 06:13.09 | Lagbolt | Testing55, you can set it in xorg.conf. what is your vid card? |
| 06:13.22 | Testing55 | Lagbolt, cheap ass intel |
| 06:13.30 | jair | yes |
| 06:13.32 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:13.34 | jair | let me check |
| 06:13.54 | Lagbolt | Testing55, are the intel drivers installed and working for it? |
| 06:14.04 | Testing55 | i mena i guess i am typing to you |
| 06:14.05 | Lagbolt | i think you need to pull in a package for intel driver to get the wide screen res |
| 06:14.05 | zzz_ | jair: update-grub detects that file and because of that the first entry in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file points to that file. |
| 06:14.09 | Testing55 | just not at the resolution i want |
| 06:14.14 | Lagbolt | well you could be using vesa or something |
| 06:14.22 | jair | zzz_: I reamoved it |
| 06:14.28 | Lagbolt | did you actually install the intel drivers? |
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| 06:14.29 | Testing55 | where is the xorg.conf ? |
| 06:14.35 | jair | it is not on "/" anymore though |
| 06:14.35 | Lagbolt | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:14.37 | zzz_ | jair: Now rerun "update-grub" and paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst file. |
| 06:14.38 | Testing55 | Lagbolt, negative |
| 06:14.44 | jair | ok |
| 06:14.52 | streuner | Testing55: install X then |
| 06:15.00 | Lagbolt | well you need to install the proper drivers |
| 06:15.17 | Testing55 | streuner, i did all this all is good |
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| 06:15.35 | streuner | !install <°)))o>< ) |
| 06:15.35 | Lagbolt | Testing55, xserver-xorg-video-intel <-- install that? |
| 06:15.44 | streuner | fuck |
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| 06:16.52 | Testing55 | Lagbolt, i think it did |
| 06:16.53 | jair | zzz_: check this ==> http://paste.debian.net/52592 |
| 06:16.58 | davedorm | I am ][ this close to douching this and starting over |
| 06:17.05 | Testing55 | in the org.conf i see the resolution iu want |
| 06:17.07 | streuner | !install x |
| 06:17.07 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 06:17.08 | Lagbolt | think doesnt cut it, be sure dpkg -l | grep intel |
| 06:17.10 | Testing55 | how do i make it that by defaut ? |
| 06:17.41 | Lagbolt | i dont know for sure, you have to set it in xorg.conf, you could reconfigure the pkg and select it |
| 06:17.47 | Lagbolt | or figure out what to put in the driver section |
| 06:17.58 | Lagbolt | davedorm, whats up? |
| 06:18.03 | jair | zzz_: http://paste.debian.net/52593 |
| 06:18.10 | jair | it looks better I think |
| 06:18.22 | davedorm | just frustrated |
| 06:18.24 | Testing55 | hmmm |
| 06:18.25 | Testing55 | dammit |
| 06:18.32 | Lagbolt | Testing55, ?? |
| 06:18.37 | streuner | Testing55: just use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to configure X |
| 06:18.40 | davedorm | I just got the damned thing the way I wanted it, too |
| 06:18.44 | davedorm | took over a week |
| 06:18.45 | Lagbolt | davedorm, if you can tell me the parts we can mount them and fix it i think with some certainty |
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| 06:18.56 | davedorm | ok |
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| 06:19.09 | zzz_ | jair: Yes, it does look better. Just in case, check that the files /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24.4 and /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24.4 have non-zero sizes. If you'd like, paste the output of the following command: "ls -l /boot*2.6.24.4" |
| 06:19.20 | davedorm | let me boot it back into rescue... |
| 06:19.24 | jair | ok |
| 06:20.12 | zzz_ | jair: Whoops, that should be "ls -l /boot/*2.6.24.4" |
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| 06:20.49 | prem | hi , what is the recommended refresh rate for a login screen..? |
| 06:21.07 | jair | zzz_: http://paste.debian.net/52594 |
| 06:21.08 | prem | for me it is 85Hz in login screen and once am ligin it fall backs to 60Hz |
| 06:21.19 | jair | zzz_: what do you think? |
| 06:21.30 | davedorm | Lagbolt: ok, #1 is 279.6 MB and was / |
| 06:21.51 | davedorm | #5 is 5 GB |
| 06:21.58 | davedorm | #6 is 3 GB |
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| 06:22.07 | davedorm | #7 is swap |
| 06:22.17 | prem | is this a problem..?and am often getting messages that my login screen refersh rate is high and so it turnoffs by itself |
| 06:22.23 | davedorm | #8 is 400 MB (it may be /usr) |
| 06:22.24 | zzz_ | jair: It looks like everything is okay. Just to make sure again, make sure that you have your needed LVM modules' names in /etc/modules and regenerate the initrd. ("update-initramfs -t -c -k 2.6.24.4"). Then you are set to go! |
| 06:22.30 | Lagbolt | can you mont #5 and #6 and see which has /etc/fstab on it |
| 06:22.36 | davedorm | and #8 was 400 GM and it is /home |
| 06:22.41 | davedorm | yeah |
| 06:22.42 | Lagbolt | prob #5 if ihad to guess |
| 06:22.47 | davedorm | stand by |
| 06:23.02 | streuner | davedorm: that's surely for /usr a little bit less... |
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| 06:23.35 | jair | zzz_: how do I know that my kernel is the one that will boot by default? |
| 06:23.39 | streuner | davedorm: just backup your data and re-run debian-installer again |
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| 06:24.00 | streuner | if you dont use a webserver, just put everything into / |
| 06:24.10 | streuner | (less headaches) |
| 06:24.37 | davedorm | streuner: but I do use a web server |
| 06:24.50 | zzz_ | jair: Check if there is line with the "default" word in your /boot/grub/menu.lst. It should be set to zero. This means that the first kernel in the list will be used. In you case, that kernel is your newly compiled custom kernel. |
| 06:25.00 | jair | zzz_: this is all I have on the "/etc/modules" :( http://paste.debian.net/52595 |
| 06:25.14 | streuner | davedorm: ok, read Partition-HOWTO then |
| 06:25.19 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 06:25.42 | davedorm | Lagbolt: 5 was /usr |
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| 06:25.48 | zzz_ | jair: Do you know the names of the modules required for your LVM setup? |
| 06:25.52 | Lagbolt | ok what is on #6? |
| 06:26.01 | Lagbolt | i need your fstab, i want to know for sure what i am doing |
| 06:26.02 | davedorm | dunno, but I found /etc |
| 06:26.09 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 06:26.15 | Lagbolt | what is in /etc/fstab |
| 06:26.18 | davedorm | doing ,ore |
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| 06:26.20 | davedorm | more |
| 06:26.25 | streuner | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 06:26.29 | testing55 | hey can i i tell what resolution i am in right now ? |
| 06:26.45 | davedorm | there we go |
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| 06:26.57 | jair | zzz_: hmm not really but I can find them in this machine |
| 06:27.01 | Lagbolt | davedorm, PM me the contents of your fstab |
| 06:27.01 | testing55 | anyone know ? |
| 06:27.06 | davedorm | Lagbolt: eek |
| 06:27.09 | testing55 | << trying ot see what resolution his box is in |
| 06:27.13 | davedorm | Lagbolt: can't copy paste |
| 06:27.19 | Lagbolt | oh yeah |
| 06:27.20 | jair | the machine where i am compiling the kernel should have this modules running since it is using LVM |
| 06:27.22 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:27.29 | Lagbolt | well this is what i need . . . |
| 06:27.32 | davedorm | ok |
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| 06:27.59 | Lagbolt | mount points from fstab for / /etc /usr /lib . . .all the major players |
| 06:27.59 | zzz_ | jair: The output of "lsmod" might help. However, you are kind of on your own there as I know nothing about LVM. |
| 06:28.15 | jair | hahaha |
| 06:28.17 | jair | zzz_: ok |
| 06:28.22 | jair | I will check that |
| 06:28.33 | jair | zzz_: it should be easy to find |
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| 06:28.52 | testing55 | Lagbolt, i think i might be in the resolution actually maybe i jus got ot ajust my monitor |
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| 06:29.25 | smoke_ | anyone around familiar with setting up a domain name to a vps server? i got my web/ftp/mail servers setup and i want to xfer my domain from my previous normal host to my vps host but my domain is registered from yahoo.com do i just forward the domain to the ips? |
| 06:29.40 | Lagbolt | what res are you trying to get testing55 ? |
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| 06:29.50 | testing55 | smoke_, do you have a dns server installed ? |
| 06:29.52 | zzz_ | jair: Once you find out the names of the required modules, add them to /etc/modules with one module name per line. |
| 06:30.16 | jair | zzz_: it should be this one => http://paste.debian.net/52596 |
| 06:30.17 | testing55 | Lagbolt, 1440 x 900 i thohght i was in 1024 768 but i chnaged it to that and yea shit got huge so i must be in a high res already |
| 06:30.35 | testing55 | Lagbolt, but xfce jsut says its *default* |
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| 06:31.05 | testing55 | smoke_, you need ot forward it to a reverse address in your yahoo control panel quite easy |
| 06:31.33 | testing55 | either your host dns servers on your network or one of your own |
| 06:31.47 | zzz_ | jair: I think those are included in the initramfs by default, but just to make sure, add them to /etc/modules and regenerate the initramfs image. |
| 06:31.58 | jair | ok |
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| 06:32.08 | testing55 | Lagbolt, any help there i cant ven tell what res i am running |
| 06:32.12 | zzz_ | jair: Unfortunately, I have to go to bed right now. I am sorry that I cannot offer more help. See you around sometime. |
| 06:32.36 | jair | zzz_: yes |
| 06:32.39 | stew | jair: if you are hoping to effect modules being part of the initrd, /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is better than /etc/modules |
| 06:32.40 | Lagbolt | um as root . . . xdpyinfo | more |
| 06:32.42 | jair | zzz_: go to zzz ;) |
| 06:32.50 | zzz_ | jair: Indeed. See you later. |
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| 06:32.52 | Lagbolt | i dont know off hand, i guess you can look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:33.01 | jair | zzz_: Thank you very much for your help |
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| 06:33.58 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:34.11 | jair | stew: I am trying to find which ones are the LVM modules on the kernel make sure that the initrd I create has the device mapper modules or LVM |
| 06:34.41 | stew | jair: dm-mod |
| 06:35.10 | jair | nice |
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| 06:35.24 | jair | and I should make sure they are on the =>/etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 06:35.26 | stew | jair: however, in general, initramfs-toos should detect everything you need on its own |
| 06:35.34 | jair | stew: and I should make sure they are on the =>/etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 06:35.50 | jair | stew: believe me it does not |
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| 06:37.34 | testing55 | lol |
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| 06:37.52 | testing55 | how cna i tell what reoslution my x serever is in right now ? |
| 06:37.53 | testing55 | someone ? |
| 06:39.17 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:39.26 | stew | testing55: 1024x768 |
| 06:39.32 | stew | testing55: wait, maybe more |
| 06:39.33 | Lagbolt | testing55, xrandr |
| 06:39.42 | Lagbolt | if you have it installed |
| 06:39.44 | testing55 | ? |
| 06:39.53 | stew | testing55: xdpyinfo | grep dimensions |
| 06:40.05 | testing55 | *0 1280 x 1024 |
| 06:40.10 | Lagbolt | thats your res |
| 06:40.17 | testing55 | now how cna i change that to a higher number ? |
| 06:40.38 | Lagbolt | well depending on what driver you are using and what res are available |
| 06:40.45 | Lagbolt | i would suggest installing the intel drivers |
| 06:40.47 | stew | testing55: if xrandr doesn't offer any higher resolutions, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 06:41.10 | testing55 | i did that |
| 06:41.13 | testing55 | and i chose the resolution |
| 06:43.21 | Lagbolt | oh well maybe your monitor doesnt support higher |
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| 06:43.25 | Lagbolt | um |
| 06:43.42 | Lagbolt | i dont know much bout intel, if it supports higher you can add them to your xorg.conf |
| 06:43.49 | Lagbolt | i use nvidia, it auto detects for me |
| 06:45.52 | testing55 | how do you restart x ? |
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| 06:46.12 | testing55 | Lagbolt, i use 1440 x 900 in windiows all the time |
| 06:46.32 | Lagbolt | ctrl-alt-bkspace will restart X |
| 06:46.37 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 06:46.44 | testing55 | really ? |
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| 06:47.56 | Lagbolt | yeah really |
| 06:48.01 | Lagbolt | it will kill everything and restart it |
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| 06:48.15 | Lagbolt | normally do it at gdm or login screen |
| 06:48.21 | testing55 | ok |
| 06:48.24 | testing55 | this is pissing me off |
| 06:49.21 | testing55 | how the hell |
| 06:49.25 | Lagbolt | you prob have to add that res to your xorg.conf |
| 06:49.27 | Lagbolt | edit it and add it |
| 06:49.43 | testing55 | ok first how do i check to see if intel drivers are installed ? |
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| 06:50.35 | Lagbolt | um look in xorg.conf and see if the driver is intel or what ever its called |
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| 06:52.33 | testing55 | http://phpfi.com/307333 |
| 06:52.43 | davedorm | huzzah! |
| 06:52.49 | davedorm | brb |
| 06:53.00 | Lagbolt | yeah i810 |
| 06:53.02 | Lagbolt | thats intell |
| 06:53.17 | Lagbolt | hmm it has the res in there |
| 06:53.21 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 06:54.49 | davedorm | ahhhhhh |
| 06:54.50 | Lagbolt | can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.conf to phpfi |
| 06:54.53 | davedorm | much better |
| 06:54.56 | Lagbolt | wb davedorm |
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| 07:06.16 | k-man__ | what time does bsg air? |
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| 07:06.45 | stew | k-man__: tv.com |
| 07:06.46 | szymon_g | hi |
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| 07:07.57 | szymon_g | ekhm, on debian lenny amd64, iwlist wlan0 scan shows a natwork, but kwifimanager or knetworkmanager doesnt see any network... :/ how can i fix it? |
| 07:10.18 | szymon_g | network is wpa-secured |
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| 07:13.53 | peleg | is there a way to command a process to stop, without killing it? |
| 07:14.47 | R1ck | that depends on if the process has some signal handlers to allow you to send it a certain signal to stop processing |
| 07:15.02 | peleg | mplayer |
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| 07:16.37 | peleg | a cron command: 15 08 3 4 1-7 touch /home/peleg/temp/blah4 |
| 07:16.50 | peleg | will the days of the week override the day of the month? |
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| 07:17.23 | peleg | because the day of month today is 4, but this command that I wrote here just happened 2 minutes ago... |
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| 07:20.58 | peleg | sorry, I got disconnected. It happened again: "18 08 3 4 1-7 touch /home/peleg/temp/blah4" just executed, but the dom is 4 and not 3 ... |
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| 07:21.05 | peleg | any idea why? |
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| 07:26.37 | Ikarus | Anyone know what the GNOME suspend menu item does, suspending with "echo -n mem > /proc/power/state" works fine, but the GNOME button doesn't |
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| 07:27.19 | jim | Ikarus: how would you go about finding out what any menu item does? |
| 07:27.28 | peleg | nevermind! found a solution! http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?crontab+5 |
| 07:27.41 | jim | does it have lotsa salt in it? |
| 07:27.46 | Ikarus | jim: the gnome one doesn't have a right click that tells you |
| 07:27.57 | Ikarus | it's the one you get when you click on the battery icon |
| 07:28.05 | jim | can you read some file on the system that tells you? |
| 07:28.12 | jim | that is... |
| 07:28.25 | jim | can you use basic unix commands to discover what it does? |
| 07:29.37 | Ikarus | jim: I know how /proc/power/state works, ofcourse |
| 07:29.49 | Ikarus | but I couldn't find it quickly, so I was hoping someone else knew |
| 07:29.52 | jim | yes, got that part... |
| 07:30.04 | jim | can you find it slowly? |
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| 07:30.28 | Gruelius | Google has failed me (or i have failed google) again. Anyone got a good guide to making a UUID based fstab> |
| 07:30.39 | Gruelius | i ran my server for 46 days so far without a active swap partition loll |
| 07:31.00 | jim | Gruelius: maybe start with man 5 fstab |
| 07:31.23 | Ikarus | jim: tell me where to start looking :) |
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| 07:32.05 | jim | umm... let's see... where to start... you'd be looking for a text file which sets up menu items |
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| 07:32.45 | jim | what if you were to google for gnome menu item configure syntax |
| 07:33.57 | Gruelius | jim: thanks |
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| 07:34.36 | jim | if you came to understand what the syntax looks like, two benefits: 1, you'd know how to create new menu items... 2, you'd recognize when you saw a configuration section that represents a menu item |
| 07:34.56 | Ikarus | jim: nope, it is NOT in the normal gnome menus |
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| 07:35.01 | Ikarus | it is in a popup from the widget |
| 07:35.14 | jim | which widget? |
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| 07:39.14 | Coke | Hey. I'm using ssh -X to execute a remote command, it uses ssh-askpass since it's run in X, which is good, but it doesn't add it to my ssh-agent which is desired. Executing ssh-add will ask for the password EVERY time, which is not desired. How can I make it ask the password once, store it in the agent and then use it? |
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| 07:39.43 | jim | you need a key pair |
| 07:39.51 | jim | you set the pass phrase |
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| 07:40.09 | jim | you have the private key on the machine you're logging into |
| 07:40.10 | Ikarus | jim: the battery/power state widget |
| 07:40.14 | LamerC | I've got a question. For a program that is licensed under the GPL, with internal build scripts that are also GPL, does the external tool/program that process the script also have to be GPL? |
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| 07:40.59 | Coke | jim: I know how it works. |
| 07:41.07 | jim | wait, that's not right... but you get the idea. |
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| 07:41.26 | Coke | jim: you're making no sense |
| 07:41.33 | jim | Coke: ok, make a key pair |
| 07:41.58 | Coke | jim: it's just one key with a passphrase |
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| 07:42.02 | jim | ssh-add will add keys to agents |
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| 07:42.11 | Coke | jim: stop telling me things I already know |
| 07:42.11 | fgfdg | ok |
| 07:42.13 | jim | hmm, you didn't say that before |
| 07:42.21 | Ikarus | jim: appaerently it's the hibernate package it uses, and that has a settable suspend method |
| 07:42.23 | jim | you kept saying "password" |
| 07:42.25 | fgfdg | how cna i set my resolution higher ? |
| 07:42.28 | Coke | jim: "ssh-add will ask for the password EVERY time, which is not desired." |
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| 07:42.30 | Coke | jim: read |
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| 07:42.40 | fgfdg | anything wrogn with this ? |
| 07:42.41 | fgfdg | http://phpfi.com/307333 |
| 07:42.47 | arooni_ | i just installed tor and privoxy ... do these programs start up on startup by default? if not, what do i need to do to make this happen? |
| 07:42.49 | fgfdg | i want a resolution of 1440 x 900 |
| 07:43.05 | Gruelius | tuxserver:/dev# blkid /dev/hda3 |
| 07:43.15 | Gruelius | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.16 | jim | actually... you seem to have sufficient clue, and I've never run into your specific problem |
| 07:43.16 | Coke | jim: I want either ssh to add the passphrase to ssh-agent or I want ssh-add to check if there already is a passphrase stored and exit without prompt. |
| 07:43.34 | hark | arooni_: yes they do |
| 07:43.37 | Gruelius | Do swap partitions have a UUID? |
| 07:43.46 | Coke | jim: my "problem" is the default behavior of ssh and ssh-add. |
| 07:44.01 | arooni_ | hark, awesome; thanks |
| 07:44.05 | fgfdg | anyone ? |
| 07:44.13 | jim | sounds like you want to override the benefit of ssh |
| 07:44.17 | Coke | jim: no |
| 07:44.24 | Coke | jim: sounds like I only want to type the password ONCE |
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| 07:44.28 | jim | when you ssh-add |
| 07:44.36 | jim | you type in the passphrase |
| 07:44.42 | Coke | jim: I sure do. |
| 07:44.42 | jim | it accepts it, right? |
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| 07:44.46 | Coke | jim: it sure does. |
| 07:44.51 | fgfdg | hi for osme reason i cant get my resolution to go any higher wtf ? |
| 07:44.57 | Coke | jim: and when executing ssh-add again it asks AGAIN = not desired |
| 07:45.12 | jim | and it adds that identity to the agent? or claims it can't for some reason? |
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| 07:45.18 | Coke | jim: it adds |
| 07:45.37 | jim | ok... so following that, what happens when you ssh to the remote? |
| 07:45.55 | Coke | jim: that's not the problem. still. |
| 07:46.05 | fgfdg | how can i chnage my rsolution to 1440 x 900 anyone ? its at a 1280 resolution right now |
| 07:46.11 | jim | what I'm really asking is this: |
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| 07:46.42 | jim | does ssh someYou@that.host get you into the machine without typing the passphrase? |
| 07:47.06 | Coke | fgfdg: unless you're using some non-free vendor-specific software (like nvidia or ati's stuff) you might as well edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:47.17 | Coke | jim: yes, of course. |
| 07:47.30 | Coke | jim: that was never the problem. |
| 07:47.37 | jim | ok... as far as I know, that's the workflow. |
| 07:47.44 | Coke | jim: indeed. I mean to change it. |
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| 07:47.55 | jim | ok... dunno how to do that |
| 07:48.02 | fgfdg | Coke, http://phpfi.com/307333 << theres mine see it says 1440 x 900 but i cannot select it when i goto it in the xfce display manager |
| 07:48.02 | Coke | jim: I know. |
| 07:48.19 | jim | well ok, so I do know C and I could read the source and try to do it |
| 07:48.24 | jim | but |
| 07:48.32 | jim | dat take long time |
| 07:48.53 | Coke | fgfdg: you say you keep getting 1280? does your video hardware support 1440 x 900? |
| 07:49.22 | fgfdg | Coke, yes it does |
| 07:49.24 | Coke | jim: I'm not sure that the authors of ssh-agent, ssh-add and openssh really thought about the usability of their programs. I think they focus more on security. |
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| 07:49.38 | fgfdg | Coke, its a cheap pos intel but i used 1440 x 900 on windows |
| 07:49.39 | Coke | fgfdg: well, it looks good to me. |
| 07:49.48 | Gruelius | jim: UUID's are only used in ext3 and xfs filesystem it seems, how can i get the swap line in fstab to work because my drive letters change all the time |
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| 07:50.07 | Coke | fgfdg: sure. but as usual, hardware vendors sucks Microsoft's d**k and piss on Linux. |
| 07:50.18 | jim | I don't know any other way, I also don't think that is part of the design of ssh&friends, and I think maybe that doing what you're suggesting could be a security hazard |
| 07:50.29 | Coke | jim: no, it isn't. |
| 07:50.35 | fgfdg | Coke, i think intel stuff is supported |
| 07:50.37 | Coke | jim: it's just another way to interact with the same components |
| 07:50.46 | Coke | jim: a more user-friendly, versatile way |
| 07:50.55 | jim | so you want a different ssh-add |
| 07:51.01 | Coke | fgfdg: did you get any errors in the x log? |
| 07:51.25 | fgfdg | Coke, wheres the log ? |
| 07:51.50 | Coke | jim: what I want is for either ssh-add to check if there's already a password stored, if so, don't ask again, OR I want ssh to check the agent, if no password then ask. |
| 07:51.58 | Coke | fgfdg: running as a user or root? |
| 07:52.31 | Coke | fgfdg: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:52.50 | jim | Coke: what benefit is gained? |
| 07:53.18 | Coke | jim: not having to type the password every time ssh-add is executed, alternatively not having to use ssh-add at all. |
| 07:53.34 | jim | out of interest... we take for granted I don't have a specific canned solution to this |
| 07:53.40 | Coke | jim: the key is to ask ssh-agent if someone has already typed a passphrase for a specific key. |
| 07:53.58 | jim | oh |
| 07:54.02 | jim | ok, I see |
| 07:54.09 | jim | so ideally |
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| 07:54.23 | jim | you want for ssh to store in the agent |
| 07:54.29 | Coke | jim: right now there solution is: run ssh-add once first, then run all the ssh remote commands. This works, but is unintuitive. |
| 07:54.54 | Coke | jim: ideally, I'd like to be asked the password once and then not again. |
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| 07:55.20 | jim | there is one small flaw: sometimes there is not an agent |
| 07:55.22 | k-man__ | is there some way i can limit the network io of a particular process? |
| 07:55.27 | jim | but it's minor |
| 07:55.51 | Coke | jim: when starting all my remote programs I'd like them to begin with the pseudo code if password_for_key($key) then run_remote_command else ask_pass_and_store; run_remote_command. |
| 07:56.03 | jim | the thing about the agent is it's presently implemented as an environment in which to run a process |
| 07:56.04 | sepski | k-man__, trickle, or perhaps ionice depending on your needs |
| 07:56.07 | Coke | jim: no agent present means no password is stored = ask for it |
| 07:56.44 | jim | so if you ask for the passwd, then what do you do with it? |
| 07:57.09 | Coke | jim: if I have time I might check out the ssh-agent sources and modify ssh-add to gain a flag to simply return TRUE if there's already a passphrase stored for a specific key, FALSE if not. |
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| 07:57.27 | Coke | jim: store it in ssh-agent, of course, what else would I do with it? |
| 07:57.35 | jim | ok... |
| 07:57.35 | k-man__ | sepski, i want to test streaming a video over the network, but i want to control the network speed so i can see at what speed the stream fails |
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| 07:58.01 | jim | but you've not considered the problem with the -present- implementation of ssh-agent |
| 07:58.15 | jim | here's what I mean: |
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| 07:58.23 | Coke | jim: I don't know if there is a problem. Might be ssh-agent already has functions for probing. |
| 07:58.24 | jim | say there is not an agent |
| 07:58.36 | jim | yes, could be. |
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| 07:58.41 | Coke | jim: if there's no agent nothing of this will work, which is exactly the way it should be. |
| 07:58.46 | sepski | k-man__, ionice does not aply, but trickle might do it for you. other then that there are special program that can emulate a bad link, with bandwith, packetloss, jitter and latency |
| 07:58.58 | sepski | but i would have to google for it |
| 07:59.19 | jim | so you're willing to accept the idea that if there is not an agent, you'd have to type the pass phrase multiple times |
| 07:59.23 | nocti | hello, i get a "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" error in aptitude update. anybody knows how to fix this? |
| 07:59.30 | Coke | jim: duh. |
| 07:59.42 | jim | just checking |
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| 08:00.06 | Coke | jim: without the agent nothing stores the passphrase, it's a given |
| 08:00.30 | jelly-home | nocti: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 08:00.31 | jim | but you started with the idea that you're improving the user experience |
| 08:00.39 | k-man__ | sepski, trickle might do the trick |
| 08:00.41 | Coke | jim: ideally, ssh-add would have a flag named --quit-if-passphrase-already-exists |
| 08:00.50 | nocti | tnx jelly-home |
| 08:00.50 | Coke | jim: indeed. |
| 08:00.59 | k-man__ | sepski, do you know of anything that can be used to measure the network io of a process? |
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| 08:01.00 | sepski | !mmap |
| 08:01.00 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 08:01.18 | sepski | sorry jelly didnt see you.. |
| 08:01.21 | k-man__ | sepski, like in real time so you can see a Mb/s rate or something? |
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| 08:02.36 | Cyorxamp | Lo network-admin seems to generate my resolv.conf, however it doesn't write to it the dns search appends properly, only writes one of them and I have to manually fix it every time my PC loads up... any fix for this? |
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| 08:02.53 | testing55 | how cna i see if i have my intel video drivers installed ? |
| 08:03.09 | jim | it's too bad you can't find a parent PAR of a process PROC, then create a new process NEW as a child of PAR and then alter PROC so that its new parent is NEW |
| 08:03.33 | tarzeau | testing55: in your xorg.conf in /etc/X11 ? |
| 08:03.55 | jim | if you had that ability, you could make an ssh agent for an existing process |
| 08:04.32 | testing55 | tarzeau, right now i have a 1280 rwesolution i am trying ot get to 1440 x 900 my native resolution it works fine on windows but im having problems getting it to work with debian atm |
| 08:04.41 | jim | and if you could do that, then you could have ssh check for agent, if none found, make one, ... |
| 08:05.05 | jim | which would round out your solution |
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| 08:06.48 | jim | you know, remove its obvious flaw :) |
| 08:06.48 | testing55 | i really need osme help here guys i cant use a monitor like this |
| 08:06.48 | Coke | jim: the agent is already there, that's a given, already told you |
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| 08:06.49 | jim | so you dpj |
| 08:07.05 | jim | well ok, so you have less coding to do then, than would be the case if you wanted to actually finish the job :) |
| 08:07.25 | jelly-home | jim: the agent is contacted through a socket (referenced by an envirnment variable) anyway. It's a namespace issue, not a process one |
| 08:07.38 | nocti | i'm thinking about switching to sid from etch... would it be more of a headache if i do? it's just a test laptop anyway. |
| 08:07.48 | testing55 | i hate this |
| 08:07.51 | testing55 | is thier anyway i can force X inti a specific resolution ? |
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| 08:12.58 | testing55 | how can i see if my intel drivers are installed or not ? |
| 08:12.58 | jim | jelly-home: if that's the case couldn't you do it without doing the musical-processes thing I was suggesting? |
| 08:12.59 | Romik | hi, why on my Debian lenny in NetworkManager a can't setup WPA for Wireless? |
| 08:12.59 | jim | you'd just arrange plumbing to get to the socket |
| 08:12.59 | nocti | testing55: did you look into your xorg.conf? |
| 08:12.59 | Romik | I see onlu WEP Hex and Ascii |
| 08:12.59 | hark | testing55: pastebin your xorg log |
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| 08:12.59 | jim | just have an agent whose parent is PAR then hook up the socket to PROC |
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| 08:12.59 | hark | testing55: or if this is etch and you're using the older drivers, you might also have to use 915resolution |
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| 08:13.13 | jelly-home | jim: I don't think the existence of an agent is the user's problem... <Coke> jim: the agent is already there, that's a given, already told you |
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| 08:14.16 | jim | well for a case like x under debian, there's the agent Branden arranged for running the x server under |
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| 08:16.11 | hark | Romik: that's not network manager |
| 08:16.31 | Romik | hmmm, so what it that? |
| 08:16.36 | Romik | * is |
| 08:16.45 | Coke | jim: I'm not running anything under anything |
| 08:16.52 | Coke | jim: I'm just running a separate ssh-agent process |
| 08:17.03 | hark | are you using gnome? must be gnome's network admin tool |
| 08:17.15 | Romik | "Network Administration Tool Manual" |
| 08:17.18 | Romik | xfce |
| 08:17.19 | Coke | jim: it's there already, that's an undeniable fact. I will so make it there that nobody will ever ever have to think about whether it's there or not; it will be there! |
| 08:17.21 | Romik | thanks |
| 08:17.39 | Coke | jelly-home: you seem to grasp my inquiry, any suggestions? |
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| 08:21.07 | jelly-home | Coke: ssh-agent does not store passphrases (or, it seems, not even timestamps of correct passphrases entered like sudo?) It works reasonably well when you uses secret keys with no passphrases, though ;-) |
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| 08:22.06 | sandman | The CPU Frequency applet in GNOME displays this upon adding it to a panel: "CPU frequency scaling unsupported" etc. However, CPU frequency scaling _is_, in fact, supported on my system (afaik), particularly given by the fact that the proc files are there for it (throttling, etc) |
| 08:22.48 | sandman | Anyone know why this might be? |
| 08:23.24 | sandman | brb |
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| 08:26.00 | testing55 | my resolution |
| 08:26.14 | testing55 | native is 1440 x 900 60 hz or w/e |
| 08:26.28 | testing55 | right now its at a 1280 at 75 hz |
| 08:26.58 | testing55 | someone please help me setting my resolution back to correct things |
| 08:27.15 | hark | testing55: or if this is etch and you're using the older drivers, you might also have to use 915resolution |
| 08:27.24 | testing55 | i am using etch |
| 08:27.30 | testing55 | but i have an old intel built in pos |
| 08:27.37 | testing55 | but on windows it does run 1440 x 900 |
| 08:27.55 | hark | !info 915resolution |
| 08:27.58 | dpkg | 915resolution: (resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.5.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 08:28.03 | testing55 | VertRefresh 50-76 |
| 08:28.09 | testing55 | should i jsut change that to 60 ? |
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| 08:28.33 | hark | ah that's not it... |
| 08:28.33 | testing55 | so apt-get install 915 resolution ? |
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| 08:28.35 | hark | !915resolution |
| 08:28.36 | dpkg | it has been said that 915resolution is a tool to transiently modify the video BIOS of 8xx and 9xx Intel integrated graphic chipsets, to achieve certain display resolutions in Xorg/XFree86. After installing, read /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian for details. Not required on lenny/testing. |
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| 08:28.52 | testing55 | do i need this ? |
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| 08:29.02 | testing55 | Intel Corporation 82865G In |
| 08:29.04 | testing55 | is what i got |
| 08:29.18 | hetauma | why nvidia-glx is not on lenny's repos? |
| 08:29.27 | testing55 | i dont get why its using a 75 hz |
| 08:29.36 | testing55 | my monitor is suppsoe to use 60 at 1440 x 900 |
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| 08:29.53 | themill | !why is nvidiv-glx not in testing |
| 08:29.53 | dpkg | nvidiv-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nvidiv-glx |
| 08:30.07 | hark | testing55: or custom a modeline, but try it first. Is this a laptop? |
| 08:30.10 | testing55 | and when i run xrandr or w/e i have a bunch of video modes still all running 75 hz and not my 1440 x 900- thing |
| 08:30.19 | testing55 | nope a desktop |
| 08:30.20 | themill | hetauma: read the "lenny" section on the debian wiki (/msg dpkg nvidia) |
| 08:30.28 | testing55 | 1440 x 900 is a 19 inch widescreen |
| 08:30.54 | testing55 | isnt that hting runnign at 75 hz a problem ? |
| 08:31.15 | hetauma | themill, ty |
| 08:31.34 | testing55 | driver it says is i810 |
| 08:31.52 | jelly-home | testing55: 1. install and configure 915resolution, make it add your 1440x900, restart X. 2. limit your VertRefresh if you're worried about it, restart Xorg. |
| 08:32.11 | agnitio | Hi, there I'm having some issues with gtk applications in kde, I installed the gtk-qt-engine and set the theme I want in K control center, but gtk apps show up as their default blocky ugly theme.. however, if I start them from a terminal, they use the theme I specified.. how can this be? |
| 08:32.15 | themill | testing55: the i810 driver supports that chipset; you have the right driver |
| 08:32.17 | testing55 | can i set the vertrefrehs to one number ? |
| 08:33.02 | jelly-home | testing55: you can set it to a small range (like, 58-62 Hz) |
| 08:33.45 | testing55 | but for osme reason anything i set in the xorg when i go to xfce display manager it still has 5 other modes as does xrandr |
| 08:33.59 | themill | jelly-home: are you sure he needs 915resolution? I'm not using it on that chipset (but I only have a 1280x1024 screen) |
| 08:34.25 | jelly-home | themill: the bioses vary, some don't have all the modes, some do |
| 08:34.37 | themill | jelly-home: fair enough |
| 08:34.44 | testing55 | themill, you have the same chipset ? |
| 08:34.59 | testing55 | i mean this thing works perfect in widnwos |
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| 08:35.14 | testing55 | its a shitty ass 4 year old dell i was tyrin ot bring some life too but this is pissing me off |
| 08:35.29 | hark | everything works perfect in windows |
| 08:35.37 | hark | runs |
| 08:36.07 | themill | testing55: on one machine, yes. But the etch installer just worked on it without any hassle. If you have an oddball bios (which dells frequently do) then you might need to do some monkeying to get higher resolutions. |
| 08:36.33 | testing55 | as i said it works fine n windows |
| 08:36.40 | testing55 | bios is not a problem |
| 08:36.53 | themill | testing55: all that means is that windows is doing the bios rewriting without telling you |
| 08:37.04 | testing55 | hmmmm |
| 08:37.09 | testing55 | punches walll |
| 08:37.30 | testing55 | << could jus pretend he doesnt have a widerscreen and use it in 1280 :( |
| 08:37.43 | testing55 | I8 |
| 08:37.45 | testing55 | I* |
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| 08:37.57 | jelly-home | testing55: have fun not listening to advice from the channel |
| 08:37.59 | testing55 | that would be a shame though |
| 08:38.11 | testing55 | i dont know how to use this 915resolution |
| 08:38.12 | testing55 | i am tyring |
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| 08:39.33 | testing55 | http://phpfi.com/307342 |
| 08:39.38 | testing55 | theres my |
| 08:39.46 | testing55 | xorg |
| 08:39.49 | testing55 | anything wrong therE? |
| 08:41.23 | hark | testing55: pastebin your xorg log |
| 08:42.17 | testing55 | http://phpfi.com/307344 |
| 08:42.23 | testing55 | hark ^ |
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| 08:44.24 | testing55 | any ideas ? |
| 08:46.19 | testing55 | anufacturer's mask: 0 |
| 08:46.19 | testing55 | (II) I810(0): Supported Future Video Modes: |
| 08:46.19 | testing55 | (II) I810(0): #0: hsize: 1440 vsize 900 refresh: 60 vid: 149 |
| 08:46.19 | testing55 | (II) I810(0): #1: hsize: 1152 vsize 720 refresh: 60 vid: 113 |
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| 08:46.37 | testing55 | oops |
| 08:46.38 | testing55 | but yea |
| 08:46.44 | testing55 | says its supported |
| 08:48.47 | testing55 | hwo cna i force thing thing to goto into a resolution of 1440x900 with a 60 hz ? |
| 08:48.48 | jelly-home | testing55: that's what the display device supports. |
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| 08:48.53 | testing55 | not no 1280 75 hz bullcrap |
| 08:49.04 | testing55 | jelly, which ? |
| 08:49.18 | jelly-home | testing55: what you just pasted in the channel |
| 08:49.26 | testing55 | yea |
| 08:49.29 | testing55 | i want the top one |
| 08:49.31 | testing55 | thats what i need |
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| 08:50.17 | jelly-home | testing55: I mean, that's what Xorg found out that your monitor supports. The card has to support it as well. |
| 08:50.19 | testing55 | i mean i am only isng like half my monito right now |
| 08:50.40 | testing55 | this was a seamless process for windows |
| 08:50.46 | testing55 | letm e check |
| 08:50.54 | jelly-home | so use windows *shrug* |
| 08:50.59 | jim | well you should have bought either half a monitor or twice a card |
| 08:51.39 | jim | knowing that you were getting that would have been good too |
| 08:51.46 | jim | that |
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| 08:51.55 | jim | is not always easy |
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| 08:52.52 | uzbek | hi everybody |
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| 08:53.20 | testing55 | jim, this is an old computer but |
| 08:53.21 | testing55 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=709508 |
| 08:53.24 | testing55 | ^^ |
| 08:53.27 | uzbek | i have saved utf8 text as cp1251. is there a way to decode it? |
| 08:53.29 | testing55 | looks like i found my answer |
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| 08:54.12 | jelly-home | testing55: lines 442-484 are what the monitor tells it can work with. Lines 487-1248 are what the card says it supports. Notice the absence of 1440x900 in the latter part. Either try 915resolution, use a newer Xorg. |
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| 08:55.45 | testing55 | jelly, i just ran the 815 commands that are said to work for this resolution |
| 08:55.49 | testing55 | now what restart X ? |
| 08:56.25 | jelly-home | testing55: yes |
| 08:56.30 | testing55 | how do i do that ? |
| 08:56.31 | testing55 | lol |
| 08:56.40 | testing55 | in debian ? |
| 08:56.42 | jim | how did you start it? |
| 08:56.57 | jelly-home | log out. log in. Or press ctrl-alt-backspace to forcibly kill X |
| 08:56.58 | testing55 | started utomatically |
| 08:57.01 | testing55 | by some init script |
| 08:57.12 | testing55 | i jus dont know the debian way of restarting it |
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| 08:57.26 | jelly-home | testing55: log out. log in. Or press ctrl-alt-backspace to forcibly kill it. |
| 08:57.39 | testing55 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:59.28 | testing55 | ok in my xfce display mamager 1440x90 is an option now sadly enough when i tried to switch yea just a blue screen |
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| 08:59.47 | jelly-home | testing55: if it worked, edit /etc/default/915resolution and put XRESO=1440 and YRESO=900 there to make it available after a reboot |
| 09:00.11 | testing55 | jelly, it added the option but when i treid to switch it didnt work |
| 09:00.48 | jelly-home | testing55: pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
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| 09:01.42 | jelly-home | testing55: also, edit that file and try rebooting, just for fun |
| 09:01.52 | uzbek | i opened a file with wrong encoding and saved with that encoding. How can get original file? |
| 09:01.53 | testing55 | http://phpfi.com/307346 |
| 09:01.59 | uzbek | please, help me!!! |
| 09:02.28 | uzbek | is there any application which automatically detects encodings? |
| 09:02.29 | testing55 | jelly, the beloved resolution is there but when i try to switch to it in xfce yea doesnt work |
| 09:02.57 | jelly-home | uzbek: create a copy of the file. use iconv or recode to recode it from one encoding to another |
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| 09:03.20 | uzbek | jelly-home, thanx |
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| 09:04.01 | tarzeau | uzbek: mguesser can try it |
| 09:04.04 | jelly-home | testing55: what happens if you do "xrandr -s 1" ? |
| 09:04.37 | Lagbolt | testing55, still having trouble with that resolution? |
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| 09:04.59 | gerno | Got this error after apt-upgrade. Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 09:04.59 | gerno | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.59 | gerno | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:05.06 | testing55 | Lagbolt, yep |
| 09:05.15 | gerno | How to fix it? |
| 09:05.36 | uzbek | tarzeau, what is it, a program? |
| 09:05.55 | Lagbolt | testing55, did you make a modeline for it? |
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| 09:06.03 | Lagbolt | Modeline "1440x900" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync |
| 09:06.04 | sepski | what is responsible for createing the /dev/VOLUMEGROUP directory when working with lvm ? i booted on a livecd and can't mount lvm volumes even tho i can see them with lvm tools |
| 09:06.13 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: his driver does not support modelines. |
| 09:06.20 | Lagbolt | realy? |
| 09:06.23 | Lagbolt | really? i mean |
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| 09:06.43 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: yes, really. video-i810 doesn't do modelines. |
| 09:06.44 | gerno | How to fix it? |
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| 09:06.51 | testing55 | guess what happened |
| 09:07.20 | Lagbolt | what testing55 |
| 09:07.21 | sepski | 'BLAA |
| 09:07.27 | sepski | vgchange -ay |
| 09:07.30 | gerno | How to fix it? |
| 09:07.35 | sepski | silly me |
| 09:07.36 | jelly-home | ay! |
| 09:07.42 | gerno | How to fix it? |
| 09:07.44 | uzbek | i have apt-get problem, broken something how can i fix it? |
| 09:07.53 | jelly-home | !tell gerno -about repeat |
| 09:07.54 | testing55 | Lagbolt, had to kill X just a blue screen |
| 09:08.22 | tarzeau | uzbek: package + program, yes |
| 09:08.27 | Lagbolt | testing55, can you send me output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:08.32 | gerno | jelly-home, UFO, not lecture me. |
| 09:08.34 | uzbek | thanx tarzeau |
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| 09:08.59 | jelly-home | gerno: apologies, you seemed to need it |
| 09:09.15 | uzbek | there was a command like dpkg -f ???? to fix broken installations, can anyone remind me? |
| 09:09.18 | gerno | jelly-home, i need an answer, not a lecture. |
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| 09:10.22 | gerno | the expertise of the debianers here is deteriorating. |
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| 09:10.59 | asdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.59 | asdf | <asdf> gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated |
| 09:11.42 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:11.43 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
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| 09:12.02 | Lagbolt | asdf, maybe it is not a tgz, just labeled a tgz |
| 09:12.28 | Lagbolt | asdf, "file a.tgz" |
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| 09:13.10 | Lagbolt | testing55, ??? |
| 09:13.48 | asdf | Lagbolt, freeswitch-1.0.latest.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue Apr 1 12:49:24 2008 |
| 09:14.02 | asdf | Lagbolt, as in a.tar.gz |
| 09:14.19 | Lagbolt | asdf,yup hmm must just be broken then |
| 09:14.37 | asdf | Lagbolt, used wget -c ..shit...that should have been a stable version |
| 09:14.41 | asdf | will try re-down |
| 09:14.42 | testing55 | Lagbolt, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=276303 << theres my problem |
| 09:15.47 | Lagbolt | testing55, i know what your prob is, a million people post about it. some people say they get it to work some dont. i just want to see whats in your log file when X starts |
| 09:15.51 | Lagbolt | it might provide some insight |
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| 09:16.43 | SlayerXP | testing55: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
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| 09:18.36 | testing55 | << debain etch |
| 09:18.39 | Lagbolt | ooo stable |
| 09:18.51 | testing55 | ? |
| 09:19.11 | testing55 | btw whats a file i can add those 3 lines to so they are started befroe x is started? |
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| 09:19.47 | Lagbolt | testing55, can you give me output of "dpkg -l | grep intel" |
| 09:19.48 | testing55 | Lagbolt, good thing or bad thing ? |
| 09:20.11 | Lagbolt | testing55, well i found a link where someone made all the changes but it only started working on an upgrade to lenny |
| 09:20.16 | testing55 | no output |
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| 09:20.26 | Lagbolt | no output |
| 09:20.35 | Lagbolt | hmm so you dont have the driver installed |
| 09:20.43 | testing55 | whats the package name ? |
| 09:20.50 | Lagbolt | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 09:21.22 | testing55 | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 09:21.27 | testing55 | no such package |
| 09:21.42 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 09:21.43 | Lagbolt | etch |
| 09:21.54 | Lagbolt | if you add lenny sources you can get it |
| 09:21.57 | testing55 | upgrade to lenny ? |
| 09:22.01 | Lagbolt | you can run a hybrid |
| 09:22.15 | testing55 | should i jus upgrade the hwole thing to lenny ? |
| 09:22.15 | Lagbolt | dont have to upgrade all the way, you can set to prefer etch but still allow lenny to install if need be |
| 09:22.36 | testing55 | i mean why not jsutm ake it all easier and go all lenny ? |
| 09:22.39 | Lagbolt | well running nonstable is fine if you are careful and dont do careless upgrades |
| 09:22.48 | Lagbolt | i run a hibrid testing/unstable |
| 09:23.02 | testing55 | sid is cinsidered stable by many distro standards |
| 09:23.05 | Lagbolt | it isnt harder but if you are a beginner yo might not want to run testing |
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| 09:23.19 | testing55 | i mean ive always used slack |
| 09:23.22 | testing55 | since like 95 |
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| 09:23.39 | Lagbolt | well you can do an upgrade and take a lot of time or you can just upgrade necesary packages for intel to see if it works |
| 09:23.41 | DexTerDDIT | :) how can i change the primary network device ?? |
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| 09:24.12 | testing55 | what are the commands |
| 09:24.15 | Lagbolt | as far as i am concerned testing is great. pretty current and if i need somethng new i draw in from unstable |
| 09:24.18 | testing55 | apt-get update |
| 09:24.23 | Lagbolt | you have to edit sources |
| 09:24.24 | testing55 | and apt-get distro-upgrade ? |
| 09:24.27 | testing55 | yea |
| 09:24.32 | Lagbolt | no no no no dist |
| 09:24.39 | testing55 | huh ? |
| 09:24.41 | Lagbolt | just copy all your etch sources and change etch to lenny |
| 09:24.47 | testing55 | so change sources then ? |
| 09:24.51 | Lagbolt | so you have both lenny and etch |
| 09:24.53 | themill | !tell testing55 about etch->lenny |
| 09:25.08 | testing55 | ive doen it a million times like 5 months ago |
| 09:25.28 | Lagbolt | what a million times? |
| 09:25.35 | testing55 | pretty muc h |
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| 09:26.37 | uzbek | jelly-home, tarzeau thanx! iconv did it |
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| 09:34.29 | efaistos_ | did someone use clonezilla ? |
| 09:35.06 | omry | having a problem with samba after a dist-upgrade. I can't get it to share anything. can anyone help me with this? |
| 09:35.26 | Lagbolt | omri, did samba services restart? |
| 09:35.40 | omry | Lagbolt: yes. |
| 09:35.50 | Lagbolt | any errors in the samba logs? |
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| 09:36.21 | omry | Lagbolt: not that I have seen. |
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| 09:36.45 | Lagbolt | and you are sure the sevice started, what is your error when you connect? are you using the cml client? |
| 09:37.26 | omry | Lagbolt: sec, looks like I got some progress. |
| 09:37.28 | omry | one moment. |
| 09:37.34 | Lagbolt | ok |
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| 09:39.04 | testing55 | Lagbolt, hey |
| 09:39.08 | Lagbolt | sup testing |
| 09:39.09 | testing55 | Lagbolt, lenny now |
| 09:39.18 | testing55 | didnt take too long |
| 09:39.20 | Lagbolt | can you install the intel package now? |
| 09:39.29 | testing55 | whatd the namof it again ? |
| 09:39.30 | testing55 | hehehe |
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| 09:39.43 | Lagbolt | dude, apt-cache search intel | grep xorg |
| 09:39.53 | testing55 | << is new to debian |
| 09:40.00 | Lagbolt | its cool |
| 09:40.10 | Lagbolt | just letting you know a good way to find packages |
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| 09:40.17 | Lagbolt | xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 09:40.21 | testing55 | Lagbolt, ever used slackware? |
| 09:40.21 | Lagbolt | that should be there |
| 09:40.25 | Lagbolt | nope |
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| 09:40.31 | omry | Lagbolt: I got it. I think I was missing the workgroup in smb.conf. the old samba didn't mind. |
| 09:40.34 | Lagbolt | bsd and debian. . . i love debian |
| 09:40.46 | Lagbolt | cool good to know omri |
| 09:40.51 | Lagbolt | omry that is |
| 09:40.58 | omry | that it is :) |
| 09:41.57 | testing55 | i see |
| 09:42.18 | testing55 | its late and hot here |
| 09:42.24 | testing55 | and annoyed by half my screen only being used |
| 09:42.28 | Lagbolt | it is 5:42 am here lol |
| 09:42.34 | testing55 | wheres that ? |
| 09:42.47 | R1ck | its 11:42am here :) |
| 09:43.19 | testing55 | i think it might be 5:42 here as well |
| 09:43.29 | testing55 | s. florida |
| 09:43.35 | testing55 | well miami area |
| 09:43.58 | Lagbolt | i love miami :) |
| 09:44.06 | testing55 | you been there? |
| 09:44.21 | Lagbolt | yeah |
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| 09:44.35 | testing55 | spanish speaking ? |
| 09:44.37 | Lagbolt | and ft laud, couple cousins down there. |
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| 09:44.41 | Lagbolt | not me |
| 09:44.43 | testing55 | a ea |
| 09:44.44 | Lagbolt | :( i wish |
| 09:44.45 | testing55 | o |
| 09:44.46 | Lagbolt | i need to learn |
| 09:44.57 | testing55 | i see |
| 09:45.08 | testing55 | for the record -> miami 90 percent spanish speaking |
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| 09:45.26 | Lagbolt | i know i was out with my friend and somedude said "hey do you speak english" |
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| 09:46.02 | Ikarus | Is it possible to make dhclient when launched from ifup immediatly background |
| 09:46.09 | testing55 | yea its not un common to go into a restraunt with no english speakers |
| 09:46.11 | Lagbolt | testing55, so intel? installed |
| 09:46.20 | Lagbolt | well i love the weather and the people down there |
| 09:46.23 | Lagbolt | i love visiting |
| 09:46.44 | themill | Ikarus: you are probably looking for something like ifplugd |
| 09:46.47 | testing55 | well weather is ok |
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| 09:49.01 | testing55 | Lagbolt, btw it rains all summer |
| 09:49.17 | Lagbolt | i dont mind rain :) |
| 09:49.36 | testing55 | pacific tropical weather is nice low humidity and hardly any rain |
| 09:49.41 | Lagbolt | i have been to a lot of FL always love it |
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| 09:50.18 | Lagbolt | not a huge west coast fan myself |
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| 09:50.31 | testing55 | me neither |
| 09:50.38 | Lagbolt | so whats up with your intel? you give up on it? |
| 09:50.47 | testing55 | well now |
| 09:51.07 | Lagbolt | install that bad boy and restart X |
| 09:51.41 | testing55 | i think i need a restart |
| 09:51.56 | testing55 | apt-get is not working all so great |
| 09:52.03 | Lagbolt | its not? |
| 09:52.07 | Lagbolt | that doesnt mean restart lol |
| 09:52.15 | Lagbolt | whats it doin |
| 09:52.26 | testing55 | xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 09:52.37 | testing55 | dammit |
| 09:52.39 | testing55 | well it says |
| 09:52.39 | Lagbolt | is it not working tho? you make it sound like apt is broke |
| 09:52.40 | Lagbolt | what? |
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| 09:52.45 | testing55 | already isthe newest version |
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| 09:53.00 | Lagbolt | do xrandr now |
| 09:53.06 | testing55 | the d bus for some reason is refusing connections |
| 09:53.19 | testing55 | cant open display |
| 09:53.20 | testing55 | lol |
| 09:53.22 | Lagbolt | so you had it installed or did it come in with etch |
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| 09:53.38 | testing55 | i guess it came in as the upgrade of lenny came |
| 09:53.59 | simonrvn | !connection refused |
| 09:54.00 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 09:54.07 | testing55 | woah i do need a restart half of things are heh not working right one sec |
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| 09:56.41 | dutchfish | i am looking for a package to slice bitmap images in a graphical way, does debian etch something in repos? |
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| 09:57.32 | testing55 | wohoo |
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| 09:57.34 | testing55 | works |
| 09:57.38 | Lagbolt | yeah? |
| 09:57.38 | testing55 | 1440x900 |
| 09:57.40 | Lagbolt | did you reboot? |
| 09:57.42 | testing55 | yea |
| 09:57.47 | Lagbolt | cause i assume with the upgrade you got a new kern |
| 09:57.49 | Lagbolt | awesome |
| 09:58.06 | testing55 | yea things seem a big big but it says 1440 x 900 |
| 09:58.53 | Lagbolt | maybe your dpi is set too high testing55 |
| 09:59.11 | testing55 | dpi ? |
| 09:59.20 | testing55 | sorry i never really had ot mess with displays to much |
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| 09:59.42 | testing55 | i mean its ok but tad big and the text is a little heh not so crapy on lik my toolbars |
| 10:00.26 | Lagbolt | dots per inch |
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| 10:00.51 | Lagbolt | you can also change font size on desktop icons and what not in settings |
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| 10:03.12 | testing55 | Lagbolt, i mean i guess its ok size is ok the text just like on the toolbar isnt all to sharp but everywhere else its sharp |
| 10:03.33 | testing55 | could be due to the text type itself |
| 10:03.35 | testing55 | it uses sans |
| 10:03.39 | Lagbolt | well all the fonts can be fixed |
| 10:04.40 | themill | I ran "shutdown -Fr now" but there is no evidence (in dmesg) of the fsck having run and a couple of partitions still seem to have errors. What have I missed? (remote server running etch, only ssh access, no serial console) |
| 10:04.41 | mathbr | Hi. I've got a problem here: as soon as I try to build a larger project (currently gtk+2.0), the load average climbs up to 170, but I once had 200 and renders the system almos unusable. I've got a fairly powerfull AMD64 (though running in 32bit mode) dual core and 2GB of RAM running here. What can I do? |
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| 10:04.52 | darkstego_ | anyone know a daemon that does upnp forwarding? |
| 10:04.55 | testing55 | Lagbolt, yea i dunno just in the taskbar or w/e it seems not so sharp |
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| 10:05.51 | mathbr | (Building via dpkg-buildpackage) |
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| 10:06.37 | testing55 | debian seems really nice |
| 10:06.51 | testing55 | havent really used it much except for a few server things |
| 10:07.09 | Lagbolt | it is quite nice :) |
| 10:07.34 | testing55 | u got like 4 options debian gentoo or the other stuff novell or red hat products |
| 10:08.19 | Lagbolt | i dont like say "which distro is best" cause people always say what they use is best but for me debian has it all |
| 10:08.33 | Lagbolt | if i want i can apt-get binaries, if i want to compile apt-get source :) |
| 10:08.57 | DustyBin | anyone here using debian etch with the default gnome desktop? |
| 10:09.23 | tarzeau | DustyBin: some users here, why? |
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| 10:09.29 | maligor | or if you want to go fight villians, apt-get moo |
| 10:09.32 | SandyCheeks | hi |
| 10:09.39 | tarzeau | heh |
| 10:09.40 | SandyCheeks | i have a question--- |
| 10:09.42 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:09.50 | Lagbolt | ask away SandyCheeks |
| 10:10.01 | DustyBin | tarzeau: id like to know if 'sub pixel smoothing' option works in the gnome appearance font menu |
| 10:10.03 | tarzeau | when does debian get xorg 7.4? |
| 10:10.06 | SandyCheeks | i have a new pc and it dont show my onboard network card |
| 10:10.17 | SandyCheeks | lspci shows me: |
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| 10:10.55 | simonrvn | !tell SandyCheeks -about ask |
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| 10:11.06 | SandyCheeks | Bridge: NVidia Corporation mcp51 Ethernet Controller (rev a 3) |
| 10:11.15 | liable | update-pciids |
| 10:11.26 | SandyCheeks | ok i try |
| 10:11.26 | liable | oh |
| 10:11.34 | liable | no dont bother |
| 10:12.17 | SandyCheeks | now i need to know, what driver i should take |
| 10:12.25 | testing55 | Lagbolt, found it font hinting or something it like takes sharpness of the font away |
| 10:12.28 | Lagbolt | SandyCheeks, it looks like it is supported according to hardware4linux |
| 10:12.33 | SandyCheeks | in /proc/net dev there is only lo |
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| 10:13.49 | SandyCheeks | sure, should be supported |
| 10:13.56 | SandyCheeks | but ... i dont get it |
| 10:14.07 | Lagbolt | SandyCheeks, do "lsmod | grep forcedeth" |
| 10:14.40 | SandyCheeks | shows noting |
| 10:14.50 | SandyCheeks | modprobe forcedeth |
| 10:14.52 | Lagbolt | modprobe forcedeth |
| 10:14.55 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:15.07 | Lagbolt | did that help? |
| 10:15.10 | DustyBin | on my backports kernel version 2.6.22-3-686, i am unable to turn off usb autosuspend, to do so im going to have to reconfigure my kernel, ive never done this before.. |
| 10:15.13 | SandyCheeks | error |
| 10:15.28 | SandyCheeks | you may find more info in syslog |
| 10:15.30 | Lagbolt | hmm must google |
| 10:15.35 | SandyCheeks | same here |
| 10:15.36 | azeem | SandyCheeks: so look there? |
| 10:15.42 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 10:15.43 | DustyBin | "If your system needs the modprobe configuration file above, and if your |
| 10:15.45 | DustyBin | system uses initrd (probably does) then you will need to rebuild the |
| 10:15.45 | DustyBin | initrd for your kernel for this to take effect. " |
| 10:15.47 | SandyCheeks | i slept with my syslog |
| 10:16.34 | Lagbolt | SandyCheeks, does the card show up in "dmesg" something like NFORCE-MCP51: IDE controller at PCI slot 0000:00:0d.0" |
| 10:16.44 | DustyBin | if i do a: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22.3-686 <--- where abouts are the new options i select stored? |
| 10:16.49 | Lagbolt | SandyCheeks, never sleep with the syslog . . . it gets around |
| 10:17.01 | SandyCheeks | no it doesnt Lagbolt |
| 10:17.05 | SandyCheeks | ;) |
| 10:17.18 | Lagbolt | SandyCheeks, is the onboard enabled in bios? :) |
| 10:17.19 | testing55 | debian sure cna pull in extra stuff pretty quick |
| 10:17.22 | maligor | mm.. what's the consumer designation of mcp51? |
| 10:17.28 | SandyCheeks | it is, checked that also |
| 10:17.34 | testing55 | ask for pidgin get 47 mb worth the stuff you might not need |
| 10:17.44 | azeem | SandyCheeks: eh, did you check syslog yet? |
| 10:18.02 | azeem | testing55: don't install the Recommends, maybe |
| 10:18.08 | SandyCheeks | sec |
| 10:18.32 | testing55 | azeem, 250 GB hd who cares |
| 10:18.50 | Lagbolt | SandyCheeks, are you running etch? lenny? sid? |
| 10:18.57 | SandyCheeks | syslog: forcedeth.c: Reveerse Engeneering nForce ethermet driver Version 0.25 |
| 10:18.58 | testing55 | azeem, only using like 1 gb right now |
| 10:19.02 | mathbr | Hm, I'll try the ML. Bye |
| 10:19.02 | SandyCheeks | etch |
| 10:19.07 | azeem | testing55: so don't complain, pelase |
| 10:19.08 | azeem | please* |
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| 10:19.17 | testing55 | azeem, just commenting |
| 10:19.23 | SandyCheeks | more there dont stand Lagbolt |
| 10:19.40 | azeem | SandyCheeks: paste the 5 lines before and after that to a pastebin |
| 10:20.02 | SandyCheeks | urgs |
| 10:20.02 | themill | testing55: azeem's just trying to improve the signal/noise of the channel. Questions get lost in the scrollback if there's lots of other comments that aren't really that necessary. |
| 10:20.11 | SandyCheeks | cant paste ... i am on an other PC |
| 10:20.23 | SandyCheeks | i have no internet at devian ;) |
| 10:20.25 | testing55 | themill, i understand |
| 10:20.30 | darkskiez | SandyCheeks: was about to say, woah, weird corruption |
| 10:20.34 | azeem | SandyCheeks: how did you manage to read the line in the first place? |
| 10:20.35 | SandyCheeks | hrhr |
| 10:20.55 | SandyCheeks | ? azeem |
| 10:21.01 | azeem | SandyCheeks: otherwise, just transscribe the 5 lines before/after to a pastebin |
| 10:21.12 | SandyCheeks | omw |
| 10:21.14 | SandyCheeks | onmyway |
| 10:21.24 | darkskiez | SandyCheeks: serial cable is a good bet too if youve got one |
| 10:21.36 | darkskiez | SandyCheeks: makes sorting this stuff out a bit easier |
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| 10:22.03 | SandyCheeks | *dummguck* |
| 10:22.33 | DustyBin | how would one know if usb autosuspend has been disabled in my kernel? |
| 10:22.36 | DustyBin | CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND |
| 10:22.53 | azeem | DustyBin: are you asking where your kernel config is? |
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| 10:23.19 | DustyBin | azeem: what would i need to do to disable it? |
| 10:23.35 | DustyBin | http://www.blackberryforums.com/linux-users-corner/97661-enable-disable-config_usb_suspend-s-autosuspend-mode.html <-- im following the debian part |
| 10:23.43 | DustyBin | but it isnt that helpful |
| 10:23.43 | azeem | DustyBin: eh, so you established that it's enabled? |
| 10:24.04 | DustyBin | azeem: i believe it is |
| 10:24.11 | DustyBin | "Comes with usbcore (CONFIG_USB) compiled as a module and CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND enabled (at least on Ubuntu)." |
| 10:24.20 | azeem | DustyBin: how about you make sure first |
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| 10:24.31 | SandyCheeks | /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-k7/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.o:insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-k7/kernel/drivers/net/forcedeth.o failed |
| 10:24.32 | DustyBin | azeem: how would i know? |
| 10:24.50 | azeem | DustyBin: by answering my questions |
| 10:24.50 | azeem | 12:21 < azeem> DustyBin: are you asking where your kernel config is? |
| 10:24.52 | Oyama | lo |
| 10:24.56 | azeem | SandyCheeks: I said to a pastebin |
| 10:25.00 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 10:25.01 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 10:25.09 | azeem | DustyBin: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 10:25.22 | DustyBin | azeem: no, im using a backport kernel |
| 10:26.20 | azeem | DustyBin: then try "grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r`" |
| 10:26.25 | DustyBin | "recompile kernel without CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND" <-- thats what i need to do but i havent a clue how |
| 10:26.27 | SandyCheeks | thx for help Lagbolt |
| 10:26.28 | SandyCheeks | bb |
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| 10:26.52 | DustyBin | server:/etc/modprobe.d# grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:26.53 | DustyBin | CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y |
| 10:26.58 | azeem | ok |
| 10:27.06 | azeem | why do you need to disable it? |
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| 10:27.28 | spoown | Hello all ! |
| 10:27.41 | DustyBin | azeem: im using a Hauppauge Nova-T 500 card, the hardware is buggy and requires usb autosuspend to be turned off as i keep on losing its tuners |
| 10:27.46 | Skiessi | hi |
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| 10:29.04 | azeem | DustyBin: did you check whether you can disable USB suspend at runtime, maybe? |
| 10:29.08 | azeem | via /proc or /sys |
| 10:29.21 | Oyama | so, i know this is not #ubuntu, but the problem would be the same with debian, so i ask here too: i installed ubuntu from the liveCD on my usb stick (/dev/sdb1), asking the installer to not install the boot loader; then i chrooted to the freshly installed system and "apt-get install grub; mkdir /boot/grub; update-grub;". I always had troubles understanding grub, what should i modify in menu.lst and grub-install command should i |
| 10:29.21 | Oyama | boot on my usb stick from any computer who can boot on usb? |
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| 10:29.54 | spoown | Does anyone known if it possible to use a nic 1000-sx with standart networking cable ? I check it on out on wikipedia and internet, but I don't understand all to be sure ! Can someone help me ? |
| 10:29.57 | simonrvn | you're right, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 10:30.03 | simonrvn | see you, good luck |
| 10:30.24 | DustyBin | azeem: i have options usbcore autosuspend=-1 in a /etc/modeprobe.d/ file but it doesnt work |
| 10:31.29 | Oyama | simonrvn: really constructive and really helpfull, thanks |
| 10:31.52 | themill | !ubuntusmite Oyama |
| 10:31.52 | dpkg | takes away all the CO2 in the air around Oyama and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 10:32.10 | simonrvn | different distro, it's not like i can help. kthxbai |
| 10:32.42 | DustyBin | is there a way of grepping a value inside /proc what will tell me if usb autosuspend is on or off ? |
| 10:32.47 | simonrvn | i offer sincere wishes of good luck, and i get sarcasm back. ... |
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| 10:33.33 | themill | Oyama: their installer is different, their handling of modules can be different. God knows what else is different (we don't). You need to ask them, not us. As you said. this is not #ubuntu. |
| 10:33.39 | simonrvn | Oyama: would you be happier if i had called you a moron and told you to fuck off instead? |
| 10:33.42 | Oyama | as i said, i know the installed system is ubuntu, but grub installation is the same, so it isn't a ubuntu related question, but a GRUB related question, if anyone have the solution for debian i have no doubt it will work on ubuntu |
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| 10:34.10 | simonrvn | no it isn't. they patch their things differently |
| 10:34.10 | azeem | Oyama: please understand that #debian does not provide Ubuntu support |
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| 10:34.42 | Oyama | azeem: does it provide some for grub problems? |
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| 10:34.54 | k1ckn1ck | can someone tell me the best command to compress a folder to rar format |
| 10:35.09 | Lagbolt | Oyama, did you do a grub-install for the device? |
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| 10:35.15 | k1ckn1ck | to keep all files and subfolders intact |
| 10:35.20 | Oyama | k1ckn1ck: this is not #rar :P |
| 10:35.39 | simonrvn | time for an /ignore |
| 10:35.39 | themill | Oyama: ubuntu has a 170 kB patch against debian's grub. Their grub is not the same as ours. Please don't ask us about their grub, ask them. |
| 10:35.47 | k1ckn1ck | no but it is debian |
| 10:35.53 | k1ckn1ck | which i am using |
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| 10:36.17 | enouf | man rar |
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| 10:36.21 | Oyama | themill: i did, but MAYBE someone can help here, that's all i ask |
| 10:36.30 | enouf | see /usr/share/doc/rar |
| 10:36.31 | k1ckn1ck | thx |
| 10:36.33 | themill | k1ckn1ck: ignore Oyama |
| 10:36.36 | br1 | hey, guys .. I'm trying to figure out if there is a "Debian way" of managing packages cron files. The files placed in /etc/cron.* directories are not symlinked anywhere, they are just placed there. What is the correct way of managing these, I want to disable a cron job, but I don't want to delete a package file .. |
| 10:36.38 | azeem | Oyama: you had your chance, now please drop the discussion |
| 10:36.42 | simonrvn | why rar anyway? rather sucky format |
| 10:36.43 | Oyama | Lagbolt: i did, but when i but it ends on busybox/ash |
| 10:37.03 | Oyama | s/but/boot/ |
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| 10:37.17 | enouf | br1: i just moved mine out of the way, to elsewhere |
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| 10:37.36 | kgoetz | likens rar to netscape - really cool in its day |
| 10:37.40 | enouf | br1: but as far as upgrades go, not sure what would happen |
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| 10:37.56 | simonrvn | br1: you can either do something like mv foo foo.disabled or chmod -x it, depending on if it is +x already or not |
| 10:38.03 | DustyBin | what would i need to do to put this option inside my kernel: CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n |
| 10:38.16 | enouf | br1: you do knoe your /etc/crontab triggers those |
| 10:38.18 | cosmodad | what's the tool's name again to compare debian versions (regarding which one of two is more recent)? |
| 10:38.29 | enouf | s/knoe/know |
| 10:38.29 | br1 | simonrvn: ah, flipping the executable bit disables them ? .. That's the ticket |
| 10:38.47 | Vasistha | I'm trying to use sfdisk, as cfdisk fails to run. I previously used dd to copy an mbr from one disk to a nearly identical one -- the difference is that the source disk has like 2 extra sectors. So the first partition is fine, but the extended partition is two partitions bigger than the disk, so cfdisk won't run. |
| 10:38.56 | enouf | DustyBin: what's it say now? |
| 10:38.58 | Vasistha | I'd like to delete the extended partition and recreate it! :) |
| 10:39.14 | DustyBin | enouf: |
| 10:39.16 | DustyBin | server:/etc/modprobe.d# grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:39.17 | DustyBin | CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y |
| 10:39.21 | simonrvn | oddly enough yes, since run-parts runs over /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} |
| 10:39.32 | simonrvn | cron.d is a different story |
| 10:39.51 | Vasistha | cosmodad: I guess I don't understand your question |
| 10:39.53 | enouf | DustyBin: i'm pretty sure you'd have to recompile then |
| 10:40.09 | enouf | DustyBin: or you can try the sdparm hack as a workaround |
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| 10:40.47 | cosmodad | Vasistha: there's a tool which you can use as in "tool 2.0.0.1-debian1 2.0.0.1-debian2" and it would tell you which parameter is greater than the other. |
| 10:40.49 | enouf | DustyBin: hang on a moment |
| 10:40.56 | DustyBin | ok :) |
| 10:41.11 | cosmodad | Vasistha: it's helpful with comparing rather complex strings of debian versions. |
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| 10:41.40 | simonrvn | if anything it'll probably be in debian-goodies |
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| 10:42.33 | cosmodad | simonrvn: referring to me? |
| 10:42.48 | simonrvn | no, to the other cosmodad in the channel :P |
| 10:43.14 | cosmodad | simonrvn: I don't think it's part of that package since I've used it before on my machine, and I don't have debian-goodies installed. |
| 10:43.30 | enouf | DustyBin: yeah , pretty sure you'd need to recompile - or , try the sdparm hack .. can you tell me about your issue? |
| 10:45.09 | DustyBin | enouf: i need to turn off usb autosuspend, im running mythtv with a nova-t 500 TV card, every now and again the tuners drop, its all down to buggy hardware on the card and usb autosuspend turned on |
| 10:45.49 | DustyBin | enouf: all i need now is a 'offical' debian howto on how to compile a kernel |
| 10:46.43 | enouf | DustyBin: ouch, ok, for external HDD (or any usb-storge devices) issues, perhaps http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/14/187 .. but for you, i guess you need to rebuild |
| 10:47.13 | enouf | oh |
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| 10:48.09 | enouf | DustyBin: google debian kernel handbook, "/msg dpkg kp mantra" , "/msg dpkg make-kpkg" |
| 10:49.08 | enouf | you'll need atleast build-essential and fakeroot pkgs .. (not to mention a gcc/g++) ;-) |
| 10:49.11 | DustyBin | the closest ive found whats 'offical' is this: |
| 10:49.13 | DustyBin | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 10:49.30 | DustyBin | its a bit wishy washy |
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| 10:49.31 | cosmodad | simonrvn: FYI, I found what I was looking for: dpkg --compare-versions |
| 10:49.39 | enouf | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:50.14 | DustyBin | enouf: thanks, thats better |
| 10:50.29 | enouf | amphi++ |
| 10:50.32 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:53.41 | xingu | downshifting from mbit- to kbit-speed dsl is teh suck |
| 10:54.02 | xingu | but it's good to get back "home" again, after |
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| 10:55.26 | enouf | does anybody else get 15kB/sec from say d/l a PDF from Asus website, when you have 15mbit/sec pipe available? O_o |
| 10:56.39 | tolecnal | enouf: nobody gets good speeds from the Asus websites, no matter which site you choose to download from. Asus' websites around the world are an insult to end users bandwidth wise. Makes you feel you're still stick in the dark ages of dialup connections. |
| 10:57.25 | tolecnal | this matter has actually frustrated me so much that I once wrote an e-mail to them, asking them why they couldn't afford decent connections like the rest of the world does. never got a respond back. |
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| 10:58.06 | simonrvn | cosmodad: doh! nice |
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| 10:59.07 | simonrvn | maybe they have an infection on the iis servers? ;p |
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| 10:59.45 | xingu | maybe they're eating their own dogfood |
| 11:00.04 | dirk_ | how do I build a package for my debian lenny/sid system, i want to build http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mscore/ |
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| 11:00.53 | Lagbolt | dirk_, do you mean compile a package from source? |
| 11:01.17 | nyk2005 | phpPGadmin gives me "Your config.inc.php is out of date. You will need to regenerate it from the new config.inc.php-dist.", but there is NO such file! |
| 11:01.19 | dirk_ | lagbolt, I want to install the package as deb |
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| 11:02.02 | Lagbolt | dirk_, more info . . how did you build it? is it something downloaded as apt-get source, or just src you downloaded from a site |
| 11:02.12 | enouf | tolecnal: ahhh .. so it's not me - that feels better ;-) |
| 11:03.08 | dirk_ | lagbolt, I did build nothing.... I just want to install mscore (see link) |
| 11:03.48 | Lagbolt | ahhh ok |
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| 11:05.00 | Lagbolt | dirk_, let me take a look for a sec |
| 11:05.12 | dirk_ | lagbolt, jo |
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| 11:06.02 | Vasistha | oh, why do all partitioning tools fail to fix my problem? what did I do to deserve this? :) |
| 11:07.10 | Lagbolt | dirk_, ok i think i go tit |
| 11:07.22 | dadou | erf |
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| 11:07.56 | Lagbolt | down load all 3 of those files to a dir e.g. mscore |
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| 11:08.15 | Lagbolt | then run this to unpack and apply patches |
| 11:08.18 | Lagbolt | dpkg-source -x mscore_0.9.1d+dfsg-1.dsc |
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| 11:08.34 | Lagbolt | the cd mscore-0.9.1d+dfsg |
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| 11:08.56 | abchirk_ | !pubkey |
| 11:09.05 | Lagbolt | it has some dependancies , cmake doxygen context graphviz pdftk libqt4-dev libasound2-dev libjack-dev libfluidsynth-dev portaudio19-dev so you will have to install these |
| 11:09.06 | abchirk_ | ah in the topic. :) |
| 11:09.20 | jelly | where can I find grep's manual? |
| 11:09.24 | Lagbolt | then to build the .deb do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
| 11:09.27 | br1 | simonrvn: just for record, flipping the exec bit on the files did not seem to have any effect, they still still showed up using "run-parts --list /etc/cron.daily" .. however, renaming them <job>.disabled seems to the trick. "run-parts" is an ELF executable file for some reason, so it not completely trivial to see why .. |
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| 11:11.24 | dirk__ | lagbolt, sorry my internet connection is bad for some reason... |
| 11:11.27 | Lagbolt | dirk__, lol |
| 11:11.34 | simonrvn | br1: hm, worked for me, at least it still respects .disabled. np |
| 11:11.38 | Slap_Stick | hmm if i have a zone say this.domain and inside that i have server.this.domain IN NS ns.this.domain and i have ns.this.domain IN A 1.2.3.4 but i also define ns.this.domain inside domain as well, and i want to get the NS records of server.this.domain - shouldn't i be able to get them back even if i can't query ns.this.domain ? |
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| 11:12.04 | Cyorxamp | Does debian support to 'cell' architecture that the PS3 uses, or can I just use 'power' ? |
| 11:12.39 | tarzeau | Cyorxamp: power(ppc) is 32bit, and cell/ps3 doesn't do 32bit kernels |
| 11:12.47 | hermes` | hello |
| 11:13.26 | simonrvn | debian on ps3 is being worked on |
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| 11:13.57 | Lagbolt | dirk__, still with us? |
| 11:14.10 | dirk__ | labbolt, yes |
| 11:14.12 | dirk__ | thanks |
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| 11:14.24 | Lagbolt | let me know if you have any trouble |
| 11:14.25 | choongii | hi. cant find an iso for EM64 on the download page.. is EM64 not supported.. ? |
| 11:14.27 | dirk__ | how do I know which dependencies I should install? |
| 11:14.32 | hermes` | I'll think about it |
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| 11:15.27 | jelly | choongii: either amd64 or i386 will work on your intel cpu |
| 11:15.33 | choongii | jelly, thanks |
| 11:16.06 | dirk__ | lagbolt, is there a read me file or something to know which dependencies i need? |
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| 11:17.24 | Lagbolt | if you try to build it will show them |
| 11:17.32 | Lagbolt | might be a command let me llok |
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| 11:17.56 | dirk__ | lagbolt, ok thanks a lot, i ve to go now... |
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| 11:25.08 | quentusrex | Does anyone know how I can get ping to return true if it can ping a host, or false if it can't? |
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| 11:25.35 | pumpkin0 | i want to run a ARM big-endian binary on a ARM little-endian system (not source available). Is it possible ? |
| 11:25.58 | quentusrex | I would say no... |
| 11:26.06 | abchirk_ | mh I did all what dpkg said for the public key, what can I do now? thats output from apt-key list http://nopaste.info/298d392b3f.html |
| 11:26.08 | abchirk_ | I have lenny |
| 11:26.14 | abchirk_ | testing. :) |
| 11:27.14 | amphi | eh? ;) |
| 11:27.15 | efaistos_ | do you know the best way to enable loadable bash builtins ? |
| 11:27.31 | abchirk_ | But I still get the error=> Reading package lists... Done |
| 11:27.31 | abchirk_ | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 11:30.11 | amphi | !public key |
| 11:30.11 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 11:30.44 | abchirk_ | amphi, I did this- |
| 11:31.32 | Lagbolt | abchirk, do this . . . apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 11:31.33 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 11:32.13 | abchirk_ | Lagbolt, thx! :) |
| 11:32.44 | abchirk_ | Eh but aptitude still does not find eboard. :( |
| 11:32.47 | Lagbolt | abchirk, all you need to know is here http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 11:33.06 | abchirk_ | ok thx |
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| 11:33.39 | abchirk_ | mh anyone knows which sources I need to add for eboard? |
| 11:34.04 | Lagbolt | the chess game? |
| 11:34.09 | abchirk_ | yes |
| 11:34.42 | Lagbolt | abchirk, do you know how to search for packages? |
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| 11:35.03 | abchirk_ | mh not really normally I found all with aptitude. :) |
| 11:35.05 | Lagbolt | abchirk, apt-cache search eboard, you can also to go apt-get.org and search for sources there |
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| 11:35.54 | abchirk_ | Lagbolt, i searched wit aptitude too but aptitude finds only extras for eboard same with apt-cache |
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| 11:36.19 | abchirk_ | I |
| 11:37.19 | Lagbolt | hmm eboard should be in etch |
| 11:37.24 | Lagbolt | http://packages.debian.org/etch/eboard |
| 11:37.28 | Bushmills | Lagbolt: apt-cache show eboard|grep Filename show in what repository it is |
| 11:37.43 | abchirk_ | I installed it without problems on SID on my other machine. |
| 11:38.16 | Lagbolt | yeah its in pool |
| 11:38.21 | Bushmills | after that |
| 11:38.26 | Bushmills | next part of dir name |
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| 11:38.37 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 11:38.47 | Lagbolt | pool/main/e/eboard/eboard_1.0.3-1_i386.deb :) |
| 11:38.58 | karmatronic | does Filename directive work for pdf files in apache ? |
| 11:39.27 | abrotman | #apache ? |
| 11:39.37 | abrotman | but i don't see why it wouljdn't ? |
| 11:39.54 | abchirk_ | Lagbolt, but why I cannot install it with aptitude? |
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| 11:40.21 | karmatronic | right,#apache seems a more obvious choice :) |
| 11:40.21 | abrotman | abchirk_: does it give an error ? |
| 11:40.24 | karmatronic | hi abrotman |
| 11:40.28 | abrotman | hi karmatronic |
| 11:40.33 | Bushmills | oops. s/Lagbolt/abchirk_/ |
| 11:40.39 | abchirk_ | abrotman, no I want to install eboard but aptitude doesn't find it |
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| 11:40.51 | abrotman | !info eboard etch |
| 11:40.54 | dpkg | eboard: (A graphical chessboard program), section games, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-6.1 (etch), Packaged size: 489 kB, Installed size: 1252 kB |
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| 11:41.16 | Lagbolt | abchirk, apt-get update maybe |
| 11:41.25 | Lagbolt | maybe your sources are not right? |
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| 11:41.30 | abchirk_ | And on my other machine I installed eboard with aptitude... and same sources.list |
| 11:41.42 | abchirk_ | I updated 10 times now. :) |
| 11:42.05 | abchirk_ | On the other machine I run SID |
| 11:42.10 | abrotman | abchirk_: show us the sources.list |
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| 11:42.13 | Bushmills | what does "doesn't install" mean. can you show package details? |
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| 11:42.23 | Bushmills | or is there an error when trying to install? |
| 11:42.24 | abchirk_ | Bushmills, no... |
| 11:42.34 | abchirk_ | Aptitude does not find eboard |
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| 11:43.11 | abchirk_ | http://nopaste.info/0355df2c41.html < sources.list |
| 11:43.16 | Lagbolt | Bushmills, its like its not in his list. |
| 11:43.20 | Bushmills | so aptitude show eboard says E: Unable to locate package eboard ? |
| 11:43.43 | Lagbolt | maybe that mirror is not up to date |
| 11:43.56 | Lagbolt | i dont know, it is available for me |
| 11:43.58 | abchirk_ | No candidate version found for eboard |
| 11:44.05 | abchirk_ | Lagbolt, which mirror you got? |
| 11:44.14 | amphi | abchirk_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=eboard&sev-inc=critical&sev-inc=grave&sev-inc=serious may be of interest |
| 11:44.24 | Lagbolt | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 11:44.37 | abrotman | abchirk_: you're not using etch .. |
| 11:44.45 | abrotman | !why is eboard not in testing |
| 11:44.46 | dpkg | eboard is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=eboard |
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| 11:45.06 | abchirk_ | abrotman, but I have installed it on unstable? :) |
| 11:45.13 | abrotman | so? |
| 11:45.48 | abchirk_ | Yes on my 2nd Debian |
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| 11:47.29 | abchirk_ | Lagbolt, when I use your mirror still the same... can I add a line like this to my current sources.list? => deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 11:47.54 | ninnghizidha | #xen |
| 11:48.20 | Lagbolt | abchirk, sure dont see why not |
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| 11:48.36 | metbsd | which mail server is good between postfix, exim and qmail |
| 11:48.42 | Lagbolt | oh i have both testing and unstable |
| 11:48.47 | abchirk_ | Ok I thought its not good to have etch and testing in one sources.list. :) |
| 11:48.49 | abrotman | abchirk_: /msg dpkg ssb .. get the one from etch |
| 11:48.52 | Lagbolt | you might have to have unstable to make it work? let me see the policy |
| 11:48.52 | abrotman | erm .. from sid |
| 11:48.53 | Lagbolt | hang on |
| 11:49.13 | Lagbolt | abchirk, yeah SID |
| 11:49.19 | Alarm | hello, i suddenly got a problem with my debian testing after many months :) i did shut my computer normaly, and now i tried to turn it on and boot to debian . a fsck started, and got an error unable to read inode block , in the dir. /var/cache/apt/archives . it suggested me to manual do a fsck with -a , or -p options. i did both , but i still get that error and cant boot into linux |
| 11:49.22 | Lagbolt | its not avail in other sources |
| 11:49.30 | abrotman | abchirk_: really .. use the simple sid backport .. it's a *much* better idea |
| 11:49.36 | abchirk_ | ok |
| 11:50.28 | Lagbolt | abchirk, i have sources for testing and sid with my apt configured to prefer testing but if i desire a package from sid i can pull it in. it is quite nice |
| 11:50.53 | abchirk_ | He ok... thx. :) I will try it with backports. :) |
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| 11:52.24 | bertvdp | hi, how can I sort processes on the quanitity or percentage of memory they use in a top command ? |
| 11:52.41 | amphi | M |
| 11:53.54 | abrotman | N |
| 11:54.19 | bertvdp | amphi: toggles general memery and swap info |
| 11:54.35 | bertvdp | abortman: N asks for max processes |
| 11:54.39 | abrotman | bertvdp: there's m and M .. they do different things |
| 11:54.47 | abrotman | bertvdp: it was a joke |
| 11:54.52 | abrotman | but m and M are different |
| 11:55.11 | bertvdp | aah, thanks, M works, m doesn't |
| 11:55.15 | abrotman | right |
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| 11:58.11 | Romik | what are you using for configure Wireless with WPA encryption? |
| 11:58.20 | Romik | in Debian Lenny |
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| 11:58.48 | suppaman | hello |
| 11:58.57 | Lagbolt | sup suppaman |
| 11:59.07 | suppaman | I don't know if it's just me but I can't find Debian Live mirrors |
| 11:59.19 | abrotman | don't think they have any . but ask them |
| 11:59.21 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 11:59.21 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 11:59.34 | ninnghizidha | Does somebody know, if i can create a apache virtual host for folders on domains, eg. www.example.com/blog as a own vhost? |
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| 12:00.11 | simonrvn | no, you can't |
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| 12:00.21 | ninnghizidha | ok, thanks, simonrvn |
| 12:00.26 | ninnghizidha | too bad :) |
| 12:00.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: i thought you could .. though i'd verify with #apache |
| 12:00.50 | ninnghizidha | apache got a spam-bot inside :P |
| 12:01.25 | simonrvn | well, i've never tried it... it may be possible |
| 12:02.25 | ninnghizidha | .. well .. i'll use subdomains then :) |
| 12:02.32 | ninnghizidha | even more elegant. |
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| 12:03.33 | abrotman | oh .. i misread |
| 12:03.49 | abrotman | i thought hwanted to point blog.domain.com at www.domain.com/blob/ |
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| 12:06.12 | simonrvn | looks like we're getting a spam bot infestation... |
| 12:06.39 | suppaman | simonrvn: where ? |
| 12:06.41 | lxsameer | where is mysql_config is debian etch |
| 12:06.43 | lxsameer | ? |
| 12:06.48 | lxsameer | please help me? |
| 12:07.16 | simonrvn | !tell lxsameer -about ask |
| 12:07.31 | abrotman | lxsameer: /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 12:07.41 | xlotlu | anything like a mountable /dev/null ? |
| 12:07.49 | simonrvn | lxsameer: what are you looking for exactly? to configure the daemon or the development binary? |
| 12:07.57 | abrotman | xlotlu: NTFS drive? :) |
| 12:08.09 | xlotlu | haha |
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| 12:08.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: nice one |
| 12:08.50 | lxsameer | well i want tu compile MySQLdb for python 2.5.2 and the setup.py ask me for path of mysql_config file , but there is no such file in my etch system ? what should i do? |
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| 12:09.08 | abrotman | !find mysql_config etch |
| 12:09.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql_config' (1): (/usr/bin/mysql_config) in libdevel/libmysqlclient15-dev. |
| 12:09.21 | simonrvn | you need the mysql dev stuff |
| 12:09.21 | Alarm | i suddenly got a problem with my debian testing after many months :) i did shut my computer normaly, and now i tried to turn it on and boot to debian . a fsck started, and got an error unable to read inode block , in the dir. /var/cache/apt/archives . |
| 12:09.25 | abrotman | !tell lxsameer about search |
| 12:09.26 | Alarm | it suggested me to manual do a fsck with -a , or -p options. i did both , but i still get that error and cant boot into linux |
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| 12:09.35 | Alarm | any idea of what i could try ? |
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| 12:10.58 | lxsameer | i search whole of my system internet and so but nothing faund . i can't use apt-get becuase of some dep problem |
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| 12:11.29 | simonrvn | then fix the problem |
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| 12:13.56 | lxsameer | ok i'v just install some package for mesa3d like nvidia driver , xserver and so on , but i have 12 broken package that can't fix them any how , any help? |
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| 12:15.41 | Decepticon | how easy/hard will it be to upgrade from etch to lenny, when lenny comes out? will it just be apt-get something something, and then i will become lenny, and all the lenny packages will become available to me for apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 12:16.10 | simonrvn | first try apt-get -f install |
| 12:16.14 | simonrvn | lxsameer: ^^^ |
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| 12:16.54 | lxsameer | simonrvn: no not work i try that before |
| 12:17.46 | simonrvn | run aptitude then, and pastebin you sources.list |
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| 12:17.54 | abrotman | !tell Decepticon about etch->lenny |
| 12:18.21 | lxsameer | simonrvn: plz tell me more ... i am new |
| 12:18.31 | abrotman | Decepticon: for an idea of hos the process works .. check the release notes for etch to read about upgrades from sarge |
| 12:18.49 | Decepticon | okay thanks |
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| 12:20.08 | Decepticon | it seems like it just involves changing sources from etch to lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list (while making sure any added sources have lenny compiled packages) and then doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 12:20.34 | Decepticon | (aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade) |
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| 12:29.08 | Crypticfortune | ok, so I have an hp dx7300, and it says on the hp webpage that it can use up to 4gb of ram. it came with 2gb. i just stuck in another 2gb, rebooted, bios said i have 4096mb of ram (yay), but from debian i see 3gb of ram (running linux 2.6.24.2 x86_64). Any ideas? |
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| 12:30.37 | spoown | Crypticfortune, try the patch kernel to use more thant 4096 mo, it will perhaps help ! even if you got "only" 4096 ram |
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| 12:31.56 | Crypticfortune | spoown: what patch would that be? lots of other computers in the lab use >4gb of ram just fine with a plain vanilla kernel...? |
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| 12:32.39 | simonrvn | patch? don't need a patch for that... |
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| 12:33.01 | simonrvn | abrotman: speaking of spam bots... |
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| 12:33.47 | simonrvn | missed one |
| 12:34.13 | simonrvn | woot |
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| 12:37.37 | simonrvn | i guess someone with a weird idea of what a cool nick is decided to send spam bots to freenode today |
| 12:38.43 | spoown | Crypticfortune, I only means that your kernel have to got an option, (compiled) to support more than 4096 mo of ram |
| 12:39.00 | spoown | You need this options in your kernel : CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G or CONFIG_HIGHMEM |
| 12:39.11 | spoown | probably enabled with a standart debian ! |
| 12:39.19 | simonrvn | that's not a patch. call it like it is |
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| 12:39.44 | Eulex | spoown, they are, if he/she is not running a 486 kernel |
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| 12:40.20 | simonrvn | Eulex: are you related to Supaplex? :P |
| 12:40.42 | simonrvn | Eu and Supap Lex |
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| 12:41.11 | simonrvn | Eu means 'good' in greek IIRC |
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| 12:41.38 | Crypticfortune | ah ha! pci=nommconf was being passed as a kernel option by grub (from back in the day when my chipset wasn't properly supported) |
| 12:42.00 | simonrvn | oh fuck, heh |
| 12:42.20 | Crypticfortune | brb ;) |
| 12:42.29 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 12:45.38 | asdf_ | asdf: get your own fucking nick |
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| 12:45.52 | simonrvn | asdf: hehe |
| 12:45.54 | abrotman | simonrvn: it wasn't me! |
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| 12:45.59 | asdf | :) |
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| 12:46.26 | asdf | probably my own fault for choosing it |
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| 12:46.55 | simonrvn | asdf: it's common a word :P |
| 12:47.03 | simonrvn | too common* |
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| 12:47.59 | simonrvn | ffs... this moron doesn't get it |
| 12:48.21 | asdf | now i'm getting chewed out by him in a msg, sheesh |
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| 12:48.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 12:48.57 | simonrvn | give him a good kick in the ass ;p |
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| 12:49.22 | asdf | oh yeah, i'll scream and yell :> |
| 12:49.32 | Crypticfortune | nope, that wasn't it. still only see 3gb... |
| 12:49.52 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 12:51.00 | asdf | later guys |
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| 12:51.12 | fireba11 | : Crypticfortune even with bugs debian is better than windows .. i got a box with 4 GB where windows only sees 1.99 GB ^^ |
| 12:51.30 | metbsd | what is iptables capable of |
| 12:51.31 | fireba11 | Crypticfortune : you running 32-bit or 64-bit KERNEL ? |
| 12:51.43 | simonrvn | i'd be happy to get 512 mb on this thing |
| 12:52.07 | Crypticfortune | fireba11: 64bit. (uname -a: Linux tetradon 2.6.24.2 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 01:24:23 JST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux) |
| 12:52.16 | fireba11 | simonrvn : got 6 servers wiht 8 GB ram now .. all developer boxes got 2 GB, some 3 GB now :-D |
| 12:52.53 | fireba11 | Crypticfortune : so 64-bit kernel .. |
| 12:52.59 | fireba11 | those wirk fine wiht 8 GB here ^^ |
| 12:52.59 | simonrvn | ancient asus mobo... |
| 12:53.35 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 12:54.11 | Crypticfortune | fireball: ya, we have 2 boxes with 35gb of ram running the exact same kernel... mine is just being annoying... =/ |
| 12:54.46 | Crypticfortune | ok, not exact same, but close... |
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| 13:02.49 | phw | hi there, quite an emergency - i ejected a knoppix cd on a running system |
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| 13:03.50 | phw | i reinserted it, but it wont read the md5sum tool from /usr/bin, it always puts out a i/o error... what can i do? i must not restart the system and need tools to be loaded from the cd |
| 13:04.12 | Slike | hi, a friend of mine is learning how to manage a debian server, and he wondered if it's possible to get a list with all the installed packages, or a list that says what software has been installed or removed on a particular day |
| 13:04.17 | Slike | in short: overview options |
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| 13:04.36 | Slike | any suggestions? |
| 13:04.42 | toki | Slike: checkout aptitude |
| 13:04.56 | Crypticfortune | Slike: dpkg -l (views status of current packages) |
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| 13:05.02 | scx | hello |
| 13:05.19 | mouse | I don't know how to use this software |
| 13:05.22 | Crypticfortune | Slike: the stuff dpkg does (installing/removing) gets logged to /var/log/dpkg.log by default, checking there can show you what happened |
| 13:05.39 | Slike | ok, thx :) |
| 13:05.52 | scx | it there (in debian) ubuntu-like language selector for gnome? |
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| 13:05.53 | scx | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Menus.jpg |
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| 13:10.25 | Crypticfortune | time to try tinkering with the bios settings i guess.... |
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| 13:10.54 | phw | emergency here: i have a knoppix running in a vm to remaster it. vmware somehow got a hick-up forgot the cd and i reinserted it (virtually). but now i get i/o errors when i try to run programs. what can i do? |
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| 13:11.19 | phw | i can NOT restart |
| 13:11.40 | scx | phw: telinit 6 |
| 13:11.42 | scx | or 0 |
| 13:11.46 | scx | or reboot |
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| 13:12.08 | phw | rebooting is not an option |
| 13:12.16 | phw | all the work is done in the RAM |
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| 13:12.33 | monokrome | hey |
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| 13:12.41 | monokrome | Anyone know if there would be a way |
| 13:12.50 | monokrome | to make a specific user to own any file in a subdir |
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| 13:12.59 | monokrome | even if a different user creates it? |
| 13:13.17 | Crypticfortune_ | monokrome: man chown |
| 13:13.24 | Lagbolt | i think he means automatically |
| 13:13.40 | monokrome | Crypticfortune_: That wont help after I've run the command and a new file is created, will it? |
| 13:13.50 | scx | phw: do you use gui application (gtk/qt)? if not type: alt-ctrl-backspace - it should restart gnome/x11 |
| 13:14.20 | phw | no. i am talking about commandline i/o errors |
| 13:14.31 | phw | i do NOT want to restart. |
| 13:14.39 | Crypticfortune_ | monokrome: that's exactly what you want if it's a file that's already been created. what lagbolt said about doing it automatically, i don't know of anything that does that on its own (you could hack something together with fam or something though) |
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| 13:14.54 | SlimeyPete | phw: to be honest, I suspect you're out of luck. |
| 13:15.05 | monokrome | hmm |
| 13:15.12 | phw | damn |
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| 13:15.22 | Lagbolt | you could probably run something that monitors for creation of new files |
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| 13:15.36 | Lagbolt | like a beagle backend or something |
| 13:15.50 | scx | phw: sry for my bad English, but whats mean "hick-up"? |
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| 13:16.05 | phw | a problem |
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| 13:16.22 | monokrome | wait |
| 13:16.24 | monokrome | Never mind |
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| 13:16.41 | monokrome | There is never a reason for anything like that, I just realized all I needed to do was addground username www-data |
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| 13:16.48 | monokrome | I hate forgetthing small things like such. |
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| 13:18.10 | scx | phw: maybe try mount /dev/cdrom /? |
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| 13:19.37 | smacnay | This may be a really dumb question but, does debian and the apps in the debian repository make use of dual or quad core chips? Is there a Debian stream/fork for multi-processor machines where all apps are built for multi core processors? |
| 13:20.26 | Pryon | There's no magic switch you can use to do that. A program must be written in such a way as to use multiple threads/processes for that to happen. |
| 13:20.50 | Crypticfortune_ | but the short answer is: yes, yes they do. |
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| 13:21.56 | Pryon | Even before multiple-core processors were available, they did. |
| 13:22.03 | bolt | ROARR! |
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| 13:23.01 | chrix | what pci-e sata 2 card is recommended for debian= |
| 13:23.18 | chrix | with external ports |
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| 13:24.29 | Crypticfortune_ | hmmm....no magical options like "hide my last 1gb of ram" or anything....older kernel was no good either....could try a newer kernel, but i suspect that's not the issue... >_>;;; |
| 13:24.49 | Crypticfortune_ | s/magical option/magical bios option/ |
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| 13:25.12 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 13:26.12 | Crypticfortune_ | wow. slax only saw 883mb of ram. that's just crazy.... |
| 13:27.36 | xingu | Crypticfortune: it's just possible that your chipset is stealing the last 1gb for pci bar/mmio space |
| 13:28.06 | xingu | Crypticfortune: my i945pm notebook does exactly that |
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| 13:28.23 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: it didn't do that when i had 2gb of ram... =/ |
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| 13:28.53 | xingu | Crypticfortune: unfortunately one of the skills I've never acquired is how to read an e820 map - otherwise I could tell you, precisely. |
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| 13:29.16 | xingu | Crypticfortune: with 2gb of ram, _where_ in the memory map are the pci bar/mmio regions being put? |
| 13:29.35 | xingu | Crypticfortune: and is this shifting with 4gb fitted, and if not, is it at 3-4gb? |
| 13:30.15 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: errr how can i find out? |
| 13:30.34 | xingu | dx7300 seems to use q965 chipset |
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| 13:30.54 | Crypticfortune_ | yup |
| 13:30.55 | xingu | Crypticfortune: lspci -vv probably |
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| 13:35.20 | xingu | Crypticfortune: dmesg in recent-ish 2.6 will contain "BIOS-e820" lines - these tell you what lies the bios is handing to linux wrt usable memory regions |
| 13:38.39 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: ahhh ok, that's more readable. lspci -vv didn't help much. ok, my BIOS-e820 stuff is http://rafb.net/p/Yuq9BC32.html (now, as you said, to try to read that...) |
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| 13:40.37 | xingu | Crypticfortune: if I had to take a guess, it might be that you needed to arse about with the command line options to map the last region (line 10) into something usable |
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| 13:43.59 | xingu | Crypticfortune: line #5 is telling us about a 3GB mapping |
| 13:44.10 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: that seems plausible. but why would that range be unusable? (i mean, i says *usable* there on the line...? |
| 13:44.16 | xingu | Crypticfortune: strongly suspect the remaining 1GB is line #10 |
| 13:45.27 | xingu | Crypticfortune: quite possible the memory mapping semantic in your kernel gives up for one reason or another before encountering that range - or - that perhaps the kernel has allocated that physical range as a pci bounce buffer, or something equally esoteric |
| 13:46.26 | xingu | Crypticfortune: have you tried "nommconf" as a grub boot option? |
| 13:46.45 | xingu | Crypticfortune: sorry, pci=nommconf |
| 13:47.13 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: that was on before, right now it's off (i read on some google'd page that having that -on- has the effect of limiting systems to 3gb) |
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| 13:48.52 | xingu | Crypticfortune: appreciating that I'm working from historical knowledge and first principles - the usual answer to this question is "get a newer bios image" :) |
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| 13:49.21 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: heheh, i checked. hasn't been updated since last year august =( |
| 13:49.23 | cr3 | is there a place describing when the debian/config script is called during a package installation? |
| 13:49.45 | AbsintheSyringe | does anyone else doesn't have its kde-guidance-powermanager booting with this 2.6.24-1? |
| 13:50.03 | xingu | Crypticfortune: mmconfig istr will steal 1GB of <4GB memory as a bounce buffer nailing you to <=3GB or >4GB configs |
| 13:50.47 | xingu | Crypticfortune: ie with _exactly_ 4GB fitted it's probably a liability - unless - you have hardware which will not even decode 32bit worth of address bus |
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| 13:52.38 | Crypticfortune_ | xingu: interesting |
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| 14:03.19 | ^shark_ | hi guys how do i open ports,i am running etch and i want to open port 53 and 953 |
| 14:03.42 | SlayerXP | ^shark_: if you have to ask that question, you're not qualified to do so |
| 14:03.54 | ampex | ^shark_: are you behind a router of some sort? |
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| 14:04.10 | Crypticfortune_ | ^shark_: that depends on how you closed them. (debians leaves all ports open by default, yes?) |
| 14:04.50 | ^shark_ | ampex: this is just a virtual machine |
| 14:05.34 | ^shark_ | Crypticfortune_: from what i have read debian leaves all ports open but when i nmap -p i see them closed |
| 14:06.06 | ^shark_ | ampex: i am not beind any router or firewall |
| 14:06.28 | ^shark_ | SlayerXP: well we all got to learn, init? |
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| 14:06.34 | Crypticfortune_ | ^shark_: perhaps nothing's listening on them? |
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| 14:09.41 | lymeca | v |
| 14:09.42 | lymeca | can lftp download directories from an ftp server recursively and reliably? if not is there text-mode ftp client which can? |
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| 14:09.50 | surf2me | hello :) |
| 14:10.02 | ^shark_ | Crypticfortune_: perhaps |
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| 14:10.47 | ^shark_ | Crypticfortune_: take a look at this >> http://pastebin.com/d53835ea5 |
| 14:12.38 | Crypticfortune_ | ^shark_: ya? that just means those ports aren't answering. could be firewalled, could mean nothing's there. |
| 14:13.04 | Crypticfortune_ | ^shark_: try "netstat -ln | grep :53" to see if anything's listening there |
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| 14:13.46 | neybsi | ola |
| 14:14.12 | neybsi | sera que alguem poderia me ajudar a install o gcc 3.2 no debian etch? |
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| 14:14.50 | jsubl2 | this is an english channel |
| 14:15.01 | neybsi | sorry |
| 14:15.31 | neybsi | do you knew any channel in portuguese? |
| 14:15.31 | ^shark_ | Crypticfortune_: i get back nothing |
| 14:15.44 | jsubl2 | !portuguese |
| 14:15.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:16.31 | neybsi | ok |
| 14:16.37 | neybsi | thanks |
| 14:16.41 | jsubl2 | :-) |
| 14:16.42 | neybsi | see ia |
| 14:16.42 | Crypticfortune_ | ^shark_: then your issue is not with firewalls |
| 14:17.02 | neybsi | #debian-br |
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| 14:18.48 | ^shark_ | the command is supposed to report back something, isnt it? |
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| 14:19.10 | Crypticfortune_ | ^shark_: ya, try it without the grep, you'll see lots of stuff. |
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| 14:20.00 | jair_ | good morning guys! |
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| 14:23.54 | Hoxzer | Is it ok to edit partition table when running a system from that disk ? |
| 14:25.35 | Wyzard | Hoxzer: Yes, assuming you don't do something stupid like delete the partition that the OS is on |
| 14:25.38 | jelly | Hoxzer: the kernel won't be able to reread the partition table. |
| 14:26.06 | jelly | "reboot for the changes to take effect" |
| 14:26.11 | Wyzard | Hoxzer: You'll need to reboot before your changes take effect -- as jelly said, the kernel can't read and use the new partition table if any of the existing partitions are in-use |
| 14:26.45 | jelly | Wyzard: some poor schmuck in Microsoft gets quoted widely! |
| 14:27.48 | jelly | one way to do it without a reboot: create a tmpfs, debootstrap it, go single user and pivot_root into it |
| 14:28.00 | jelly | tried it once and failed miserably |
| 14:28.19 | liable | theres another way iirc, but idrh |
| 14:28.34 | jelly | idrh? |
| 14:28.36 | Wyzard | Having to switch to single-user and kill all your background processes isn't really better than rebooting anyway |
| 14:28.58 | liable | i dont remember how.. i think i just made that acronym up ;) |
| 14:29.17 | jelly | Wyzard: well, if you're scratching your whole raid array on a remote machine like I did, it is ;-) |
| 14:29.26 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 14:30.13 | Wyzard | Well, the "another way" would be to make one big partition and put LVM in it -- you can manipulate LVM volumes without needing to reboot |
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| 14:31.35 | J-e-f-f-A | Hi guys - I've got an X-box/Xebian specific question - but can't seem to find a [working] irc channel yet - can you point me in the right direction? Thanks... |
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| 14:33.32 | Crypticfortune_ | J-e-f-f-A: xebian=debian on xbox? i guess here's as good any, no? |
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| 14:34.20 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all I got a .cer certificate I must generate a private RSA key from it ...how should I go on |
| 14:34.33 | Crypticfortune_ | J-e-f-f-A: i guess it depends on how xebian-specific it is... |
| 14:34.38 | WormFood | I run xebian on my xbox :) |
| 14:34.52 | DimmuR | is it possible to see which something like top5 process which uses hdd most? (read/write bytes/second for ewach process) ? |
| 14:35.49 | J-e-f-f-A | Crypticfortune_: Well, it is based on debian, but my issue is x-box specific, so I wasn't sure anyone would know here.... Basically, I had Xebian 1.3 installed a year or two ago, installed on the game partition - tried to install 1.4 on the 'free' F partition, and goofed myself all up... |
| 14:35.49 | WormFood | sure it is possible....write an app to do that :P |
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| 14:36.21 | J-e-f-f-A | How can I 'wipe' the existing installs, to install xebian 1.4 from scratch, on the F drive... |
| 14:37.12 | J-e-f-f-A | (ie: without 'bricking' it!... BTW, it's soft-modded) |
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| 14:38.04 | simoncpu | hello |
| 14:38.09 | Wyzard | sysadmin-lb22: You can't "generate" a private key from a certificate |
| 14:38.13 | simoncpu | i tried installing cvsweb via aptitude |
| 14:38.18 | simoncpu | but i can't seem to find the files |
| 14:38.23 | WormFood | there is no official F drive |
| 14:38.33 | simoncpu | do you know where is it located? it doesn't seem to exist at /usr/share/cvsweb |
| 14:38.49 | WormFood | J-e-f-f-A, f drive is added through adding an additional partition in the extra space in the partition table |
| 14:39.02 | sysadmin-lb22 | Wyzard, I might have it all wrong in http://www.geotrust.com/resources/root_certificates/index.asp |
| 14:39.05 | WormFood | you can just boot xebian off the dvd/cd and just format F drive |
| 14:39.12 | sysadmin-lb22 | there are free .csr certificates |
| 14:39.30 | sysadmin-lb22 | I am using ejabberd there is a .pem file that contains first the certificate and under it a private RSA key |
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| 14:40.42 | J-e-f-f-A | WormFood: Humm... I'm booted off the CD now, and the /dev/hda55 device doesn't exist :-( -- Docs say it's only created if the signature of a formatted FATX partition is found on the drive... Guess it's not formatted... !?! |
| 14:40.44 | Wyzard | sysadmin-lb22: Only GeoTrust has the private keys to its root certificates, not you |
| 14:40.48 | Wyzard | sysadmin-lb22: What are you trying to do? |
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| 14:41.09 | sysadmin-lb22 | I want to use a libjingle client to connect to my ejabberd xmpp server |
| 14:41.15 | sysadmin-lb22 | to do so I need tls with a real certificate |
| 14:41.15 | Crypticfortune_ | sysadmin-lb22: those are just public keys. you can't sign things with that. |
| 14:41.39 | sysadmin-lb22 | ejabberd has a file called server.pem with two entries |
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| 14:41.48 | sysadmin-lb22 | certificate and private RSA key |
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| 14:42.05 | sysadmin-lb22 | it is self signed I need to replace it with a signed certificate I can use |
| 14:42.29 | Yancho | Hi, when I try to login on my Debian (XFCE) I just get a gray screen after the loading finishes and stops there .. any idea what I can do please? |
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| 14:43.10 | Crypticfortune_ | sysadmin-lb22: so create your own CA, and use it to sign a server certificate for your ejabberd thingy, and put the resulting key/cert into that server.pem |
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| 14:44.02 | sysadmin-lb22 | Crypticfortune_, thx for the hint..any good howto you know about before I hit google ? |
| 14:44.10 | ^shark_ | i have been getting this error >> http://pastebin.com/f79f16f20 you might to also see this http://pastebin.com/f356ed5cd. I want to know what might be causing this error and how i can solve it |
| 14:44.23 | Wyzard | sysadmin-lb22: The way certificates work is that a) you generate a private and public key, and put the public key into a "certificate signing request"; b) a certifying authority signs the CSR to make it a real certificate, and sends it back to you; c) you use the certificate together with the private key that you generated previously |
| 14:44.25 | Crypticfortune_ | sysadmin-lb22: the openssl package comes with an "easy-rsa" set of scripts that should make all of that a piece of cake. |
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| 14:45.20 | Wyzard | sysadmin-lb22: The "certifying authority" can be yourself, using something like easy-rsa, if you have the option of making your users install an additional root certificate on their systems |
| 14:45.29 | J-e-f-f-A | WormFood: Humm... me thinks I'll just re-install on the game-save partition... I hadn't realized it was nearly 5GB - for some reason I thought it was smaller... |
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| 14:45.51 | J-e-f-f-A | (The un-used 'F' partition is only 2GB) |
| 14:45.57 | Wyzard | sysadmin-lb22: or it can be a company whose root certificates everyone already has, such as GeoTrust or Thawte, but you have to pay for certificates from them |
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| 14:47.29 | sysadmin-lb22 | allrgiht guys |
| 14:47.35 | sysadmin-lb22 | thanks to all of you for the valuable info |
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| 14:59.40 | subsume|work | hmpf. |
| 15:00.04 | subsume|work | So I built a package from this source (sphinx search) and dpkg installed it but I can't find a conf file. |
| 15:00.26 | subsume|work | all docs say /usr/local/sphinx/ |
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| 15:01.09 | simoncpu | uh... |
| 15:01.20 | simoncpu | installing cvsweb via aptitude doesn't seem to work |
| 15:01.24 | simoncpu | anyone tried this already? |
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| 15:04.23 | jelly | is in dependency he11 ... av solution brings its own perl with awfully old DB_File |
| 15:06.23 | hoxu | I'm reading some faulty media (CDs)... is there any nifty to prevent kernel from logging the errors to syslog? |
| 15:06.30 | hoxu | *way |
| 15:07.12 | maligor | rootkit? :P |
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| 15:08.06 | hoxu | !penixstrike maligor |
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| 15:17.12 | gr8ron | is it possible that alsa-base removes files with a name "alsa" from directories /etc/modprobe.d/ and /etc/modutils/ ? |
| 15:17.53 | Esaj | has anyone else ever tried searching for something on google and got a blank page with "Generated on ... by (squid)" on it? |
| 15:18.05 | hoxu | gr8ron, check the scripts |
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| 15:19.06 | hoxu | gr8ron, in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:20.00 | hoxu | Esaj, sounds like you have proxy problems |
| 15:20.00 | gr8ron | hoxu: the problem is that such files have been removed completely |
| 15:20.06 | gr8ron | not that they were overwritten |
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| 15:20.47 | gr8ron | hoxu: ok thanks.. there it was.. |
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| 15:20.55 | gr8ron | hoxu: /var/lib/dpkg/info/alsa-base.postinst |
| 15:21.06 | Esaj | hoxu: I don't actually have any proxy set up, and this happens in windows too, I was just slightly concerned that I was being hacked or something |
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| 15:22.16 | hoxu | Esaj, then you want to contact your network administrator or ISP and inquire whether they have a transparent proxy or something |
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| 15:22.36 | cr3 | in a debian package, if I db_input some variables in the config script, how can I refer to those sames variables in postinst without having to duplicate those variable names? |
| 15:23.07 | hoxu | Esaj, judging by the fact that you live in UK, most likely your ISP has a transparent proxy - UK is kind of notorious about privacy and stuff |
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| 15:23.34 | hoxu | Esaj, afaik, UK has transparent proxies that filter content, enacted to filter "child porn" (supposedly at least) and other stuff |
| 15:24.14 | hoxu | Esaj, I could be bullshitting though - check with your ISP, hopefully they are honest with their answers |
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| 15:24.22 | g00se | This is an embarrassing question: same inode number, different names. What gives? Neither looks like a link, but i suppose one is..? |
| 15:24.33 | Esaj | hoxu: ha, ok, thanks for your time |
| 15:24.41 | hoxu | g00se, show what ls -l says for those files |
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| 15:25.05 | hoxu | Esaj, no problem, but since you don't really know yet, assume someone is snooping in :) |
| 15:25.07 | Esaj | hoxu: this is actually an unsecured wireless network so I wonder if it's more vulnerable to being hacked |
| 15:25.32 | g00se | hoxu: identical except for name |
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| 15:26.23 | hoxu | g00se, show what ls -l says for those files, you can leave the actual names out if that's an issue |
| 15:26.57 | g00se | ok |
| 15:27.10 | g00se | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65116 2007-10-05 10:19 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/jre/bin/java |
| 15:27.32 | chops | g00se: Hardlinks appear exactly as you describe your files appearing |
| 15:27.35 | g00se | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65116 2007-10-05 10:19 /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java |
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| 15:28.03 | hoxu | g00se, not a hard link, that first '1' says it's linked only once |
| 15:28.07 | chops | g00se: Oh, in that case I would bet that those are the same file, and that one of the directories (say /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun) is a symbolic link |
| 15:28.39 | ampex | how can I kill a process and all child processes? conversely is there a way to kill a process and all parent processes? |
| 15:28.48 | g00se | chops: shall look |
| 15:28.55 | chops | ampex: You do not want to kill a process and all parent processes :-) |
| 15:29.06 | ampex | chops: after I said it I realized so :) |
| 15:29.27 | chops | ampex: There's killall -g |
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| 15:30.40 | g00se | chops: you're dead right. Pretty stupid of me |
| 15:30.57 | Unseen | Hi have anyone tried network installation and unable to load most of the network mirror except taiwan's |
| 15:30.59 | Unseen | ? |
| 15:31.00 | chops | g00se: No worries |
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| 15:31.16 | g00se | (It's symlinked based on the major version on java) |
| 15:31.27 | ampex | chops: man killall5 doesn't show -g? |
| 15:31.41 | chops | ampex: NOT killall5 |
| 15:31.48 | chops | ampex: That's totally different |
| 15:31.57 | chops | ampex: You don't want killall5 |
| 15:31.59 | ampex | where can I get killall? I don't have the binary |
| 15:32.05 | chops | !installit |
| 15:32.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 15:32.33 | ampex | psmisc, ok |
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| 15:36.12 | enouf | hey, you make tape? :-P |
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| 15:36.44 | enouf | (24 track recording tape and recording consoles) |
| 15:37.01 | enouf | wow 24 is so .. 70s :-p |
| 15:37.13 | amphi | heh |
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| 15:37.58 | webtech_m33 | i am looking for someone to help be debiazze a tarball |
| 15:38.04 | Arkard | Hi, who can help me with this? http://pastebin.com/m7e06ccf2 |
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| 15:38.25 | Nyle | webtech_m33, you want to make debian packages of tarball? |
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| 15:38.52 | themill | !tell webtech_m33 about nmg |
| 15:38.57 | webtech_m33 | yeah |
| 15:39.08 | b52 | does someone know why my mysql server has no utf8 support? |
| 15:39.31 | themill | !tell b52 about mysql utf8 |
| 15:39.32 | Nyle | themill, <package basics> too, as the nmg might be a bit much (imo for new people) |
| 15:40.04 | Nyle | thought it is linked anyway |
| 15:40.05 | Nyle | w/e |
| 15:40.14 | Nyle | though* |
| 15:40.17 | cr3 | in a debian package, is the templates automatically stuffed in the debconf database? |
| 15:40.27 | themill | Nyle: good call... I might add that to the end of nmg |
| 15:40.59 | b52 | themill, should i get an answer from a bot or somethin like that? |
| 15:41.11 | webtech_m33 | i looking to make debian packages for Zenoss |
| 15:41.21 | Arkard | a little help with my compilation problem please? http://pastebin.com/m7e06ccf2 |
| 15:41.25 | themill | b52: you should have got a msg from dpkg |
| 15:42.10 | hoxu | !localized errors |
| 15:42.10 | dpkg | localized errors is probably it's generally a good idea to set your locale to english when you need to show error messages to someone else |
| 15:42.14 | Nyle | Arkard, did you try it as root? |
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| 15:42.23 | Nyle | Arkard, seems like a permission issue at the end, make1 error |
| 15:42.30 | Arkard | let me try |
| 15:42.31 | Nyle | I can't speak spanish sorry |
| 15:43.02 | hoxu | Arkard, did you compile that stuff as root in your normal user's home directory? |
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| 15:43.34 | Arkard | im on it hoxu |
| 15:43.36 | Nyle | HAHAHA |
| 15:43.45 | Nyle | it is in /home/*christ* |
| 15:43.49 | Nyle | haha :) |
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| 15:43.59 | Nyle | or could be Chris T. |
| 15:44.03 | Arkard | and what is so funny? |
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| 15:44.10 | Nyle | its cute :) |
| 15:44.16 | hoxu | Arkard, don't ask Nyle... |
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| 15:44.37 | hoxu | if you don't ask, you won't get an answer, and don't have to become scared :P |
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| 15:44.55 | WickedMetalHead | Anyone know of a decent Sata Raid Card for debian that will support 3 drives and raid 5? |
| 15:44.55 | Nyle | this is slander. |
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| 15:45.17 | Nyle | WickedMetalHead, also try ##hardware |
| 15:45.22 | hoxu | Nyle, you mean the username or what? |
| 15:45.33 | Nyle | hoxu, do not ask Nyle anything. |
| 15:45.45 | WickedMetalHead | Nyle: thanks will do |
| 15:45.48 | Arkard | take a look, this is if i run it as root: http://pastebin.com/m331f2833 |
| 15:45.49 | Nyle | WickedMetalHead, also if you want, join #music to dicuss metal headism |
| 15:45.53 | hoxu | oh no, I didn't mean you shouldn't be asked _real_ questions, just not what was funny ;) |
| 15:45.53 | Nyle | ;) me too metalhead |
| 15:46.02 | WickedMetalHead | :D |
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| 15:46.19 | hoxu | !hug Nyle |
| 15:46.19 | dpkg | wraps its shiny metal lovin' arms around Nyle |
| 15:47.22 | b52 | in which group ion my my.cnf file ive to place the character_ vars? |
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| 15:47.28 | Arkard | isn't there an easiest way to install ndiswrapper? |
| 15:47.36 | Nyle | yes there is |
| 15:47.39 | Nyle | the debian way |
| 15:47.42 | Arkard | ¿? |
| 15:47.42 | Nyle | !ndiswrapper |
| 15:47.42 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:47.59 | Arkard | so what is the debian way? |
| 15:48.10 | Nyle | Arkard, read, try a bot command or two |
| 15:48.10 | hoxu | Arkard, see above |
| 15:48.11 | mafm | hello, I have a problem with downloading testing DVDs by HTTP |
| 15:48.29 | Arkard | !debian way |
| 15:48.40 | hoxu | Arkard, /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 15:48.41 | mafm | the webserver keeps redirecting from one URL to another |
| 15:48.51 | Nyle | mafm, link me |
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| 15:50.33 | mafm | nyle: DVD1 in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 15:50.44 | Nyle | and where does it go? |
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| 15:51.13 | hoxu | hmm, same problem here |
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| 15:51.34 | Nyle | Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. |
| 15:51.40 | Nyle | This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies. |
| 15:51.48 | Deezire | Can't I block all ports in iptables and just open up for the one that I need? |
| 15:51.50 | hoxu | keeps redirecting between these: saimei.acc.umu.se chuangtzu.acc.umu.se |
| 15:52.07 | mafm | Location: http://saimei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso [following] |
| 15:52.14 | Nyle | only the first ISO is fukced |
| 15:52.15 | mafm | Location: http://chuangtzu.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso [following] |
| 15:52.16 | Nyle | the rest are fine |
| 15:52.29 | mafm | it keeps redirecting from one to another, I think |
| 15:52.52 | hoxu | Deezire, yes |
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| 15:53.09 | ruiwen | Hi, any pommed maintainers here? |
| 15:53.21 | Deezire | hoxu: Okey, will ask at #iptables :) |
| 15:53.26 | hoxu | ruiwen, what's your problem? |
| 15:53.36 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/52633 |
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| 15:54.36 | ruiwen | hoxu: I'm trying to get pommed the special keys on my MBP4,1.. but none of them seem to be working. I'm getting errors like DBus connection failed in the logs |
| 15:54.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:54.45 | Nyle | im out again later |
| 15:54.53 | raul | how is it that a lot of files look like ???????y(A)??? |
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| 15:55.00 | raul | and like that |
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| 15:56.36 | mafm | hoxu: ftp works though :) |
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| 15:58.06 | hoxu | raul, locale problem? You aren't giving much details |
| 15:58.08 | ruiwen | hoxu: Any ideas? |
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| 15:58.47 | hoxu | ruiwen, nah, I don't know about pommed but it's good to ask the question anyway as someone else might |
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| 15:59.10 | ruiwen | hoxu: Oh ok. Thanks |
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| 15:59.11 | marvil07 | hi all, is there any special procedure to make lcdproc package work? (LCDd daemon), I'm on debian lenny |
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| 15:59.33 | dp | I've just had my server reboot, and after running an upgrade earlier in the week, my LVM won't mount. any suggestions? I'm running testing |
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| 16:01.52 | hoxu | dp, check bts (possibly after seeing what upgrade broke it from /var/log/dpkg.log) |
| 16:01.54 | TheBonsai | hi. is the etch netinst cd able to activate the DSL? a common DSL-setup ethernet -> modem, nothing special |
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| 16:02.14 | hoxu | TheBonsai, depends on the NIC |
| 16:02.17 | cosmodad | dp: you could try to mount LVM by hand and see what it says. |
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| 16:02.38 | hoxu | TheBonsai, most should be supported no problems, you might have problems with integrated ones |
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| 16:03.35 | aidehua | How can I build a kernel just like the one in linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64, but with code compiled into the kernel, rather than in modules? |
| 16:03.36 | TheBonsai | hoxu: okay thanks (i just want to migrate my gateway to etch, and i want to use the netinst) |
| 16:03.57 | marvil07 | when I'm start the daemon it does not start |
| 16:04.09 | TheBonsai | hoxu: the NIC is well-known, i just wondered if the netinstall-over-DSL is builtin |
| 16:04.15 | marvil07 | (lcdproc) |
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| 16:05.01 | hoxu | TheBonsai, the installer does not care whether it's DSL or whatever, to it you are setting on ethernet and that's all it needs to know :p |
| 16:05.09 | hoxu | TheBonsai, err, sitting |
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| 16:05.48 | TheBonsai | hoxu: it matters. that machine IS the router, there is no router inbetween or so |
| 16:06.06 | TheBonsai | hoxu: it's not a machine behind a router, it's the router |
| 16:06.07 | raul | hoxy donnu |
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| 16:07.29 | xqj37 | hello |
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| 16:07.38 | aidehua | Incidentally, should I be able to work out how Debian kernels are built, or is that Too Hard(TM) :) |
| 16:07.51 | hoxu | TheBonsai, I'm confused now, why would the router be aware of what technology the modem box is using for connectivity (DSL)? It's just ethernet and DHCP, right? |
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| 16:08.04 | xqj37 | how can I make services listen to a particular subdomain |
| 16:08.12 | xqj37 | like imap only on mail.foo.com not foo.com |
| 16:08.28 | hoxu | xqj37, you don't |
| 16:08.45 | WickedMetalHead | you can assign a unique IP to the hostname |
| 16:08.47 | hoxu | xqj37, if they use the same IP, your box has no knowledge of what name was used to resolve to that |
| 16:08.49 | xqj37 | but do you know what I mean? |
| 16:08.54 | xqj37 | okay |
| 16:09.03 | xqj37 | so I have to create virtual interfaces? |
| 16:09.09 | WickedMetalHead | and have a service only look at ip |
| 16:09.09 | xqj37 | or something like that |
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| 16:09.40 | hoxu | xqj37, just assign multiple IPs to one interface if they are in same subnet |
| 16:09.48 | xqj37 | ah okay |
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| 16:10.15 | TheBonsai | hoxu: my router is a PC. that PC holds the PPP link to my provider's access concentrator, routes through to my LAN, and is my DHCP server. to replace the OS on that PC with a debian netinst image, the netinst OS must (in case it needs internet access) be able to fire up the PPP and use the DSL line |
| 16:10.17 | hoxu | virtual (sub)interfaces are for cases when the IPs are in different networks |
| 16:10.32 | xqj37 | so what are my google keywords? virtual subinterfaces? |
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| 16:10.46 | TheBonsai | hoxu: for installation i mean. i want to avoid to install everything with 10+ cds. |
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| 16:11.14 | Legality | Hi |
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| 16:11.53 | hoxu | xqj37, do you use static IP(s) for the server? |
| 16:12.16 | xqj37 | yeah it's a dedicated server I rented |
| 16:12.17 | Legality | hey, how could I create several new folders with the same name inside a subfolder? |
| 16:12.19 | hoxu | TheBonsai, you do have an external modem? |
| 16:12.27 | Legality | say /folder/*/newfoldername |
| 16:12.37 | TheBonsai | hoxu: a *modem*, yes, no router. |
| 16:12.52 | Legality | any ideas? |
| 16:12.53 | hoxu | Legality, use find, for, and mkdir |
| 16:13.12 | hoxu | !absg Legality |
| 16:13.12 | dpkg | Legality: abs-guide is the Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide to be found at http://www.tldp.org/guides.html#abs . It is also packaged, 'apt-get install abs-guide'. |
| 16:13.13 | Legality | huh? |
| 16:13.21 | xqj37 | is there a debian way do define these new virtual interfaces? |
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| 16:13.48 | hoxu | Legality, wait, is there only one level of directories involved, eg. you want to create a/foo, b/foo, c/foo...? |
| 16:13.59 | Legality | yea |
| 16:14.01 | micols | virtual interfaces isnt that just interface:newnum i.e. :0 :1 :++ |
| 16:14.07 | Legality | hoxu: yes |
| 16:14.10 | TheBonsai | Legality: mkdir {a,b,c}/foo |
| 16:14.28 | hoxu | xqj37, you don't need virtual interfaces, just assign multiple IPs, you can use post-up & "ip addr add" in /etc/network/interfaces for example |
| 16:14.32 | TheBonsai | Legality: mkdir -p, in canse the a,b,c directories don't exist |
| 16:14.34 | Legality | TheBonsai: but there's 300 subfolders |
| 16:14.35 | TheBonsai | *case |
| 16:14.38 | xqj37 | okay |
| 16:14.45 | Legality | TheBonsai? |
| 16:14.50 | TheBonsai | Legality: then describe your problem again, then i misunderstood |
| 16:15.47 | xqj37 | hoxu: do you know where I could find some documentation on how to do this? |
| 16:16.03 | Legality | lets say I have folders /folder/1/ and /folder/2/ and I need to create a new folder inside those 1 and 2 folders |
| 16:16.05 | hoxu | xqj37, man 5 interfaces for the post-up/pre-down keywords, you can assign the "primary" IP as usual, and then add the "extra" ones with "ip addr add" |
| 16:16.36 | hoxu | xqj37, post-up/pre-down just add commands to execute when the interface is brought up/down, so no special magic there |
| 16:16.42 | Legality | TheBonsai: but there is subfolders such as 1 and 2 over 200 |
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| 16:17.09 | hoxu | Legality, for i in $wildcard; do echo mkdir $i/subdir; done |
| 16:17.31 | TheBonsai | yea |
| 16:17.34 | hoxu | Legality, you replace that "$wildcard" with whatever wilcard you want to use, it could be "*" |
| 16:17.34 | TheBonsai | now i get it |
| 16:17.53 | Legality | hmm... |
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| 16:18.19 | Legality | I don't quite get it |
| 16:18.21 | Legality | :/ |
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| 16:18.38 | incorrect | hello i was wondering if i could still get an iso of sarge |
| 16:18.47 | TheBonsai | Legality: for dir in /folder/*/; do mkdir "$dir/subfolder"; done |
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| 16:18.58 | TheBonsai | i hate the word "folder" ;) |
| 16:19.19 | jair_ | stew: If I already compiled the kernel added to the grub menu.lst and boot from it, beutifully, how can I find or install the headers for the version of the kernel I installed? |
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| 16:20.01 | jair_ | stew: also I did "dpkg -l | grep linux-" and my kernel does not appear there, maybe because I did not install it using dpkg? |
| 16:20.04 | hoxu | jair_, address the channel, not someone who hasn't been active recently, please |
| 16:20.16 | jair_ | hoxu: so sorry |
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| 16:20.18 | xqj37 | hoxu: I also need to find out how to reroute mail.foo.com to the new ip's |
| 16:20.28 | hoxu | (different matter if st_ew does not mind that) |
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| 16:20.38 | jair_ | hoxu: I was working with stew last night about it. But yes I will address the channel :) |
| 16:21.11 | jair_ | If I already compiled the kernel added to the grub menu.lst and boot from it, beutifully, how can I find or install the headers for the version of the kernel I installed? |
| 16:21.14 | vallhalla | hey all does DebIan have a live cd? |
| 16:21.20 | xqj37 | and currently every subdomain *.foo.com is redirected to my box, and I don't really like it |
| 16:21.29 | hoxu | vallhalla, only a work in process afaik |
| 16:21.31 | jair_ | also I did "dpkg -l | grep linux-" and my kernel does not appear there, maybe because I did not install it using dpkg? |
| 16:22.00 | vallhalla | hoxu: thats a shame |
| 16:22.08 | hoxu | jair_, linux-headers-`uname -r` maybe :p |
| 16:22.18 | Legality | damn |
| 16:22.19 | Legality | lol |
| 16:22.22 | Legality | I'm slow today |
| 16:22.32 | vallhalla | how can i dual install DebIan with my current os? |
| 16:22.34 | jair_ | hoxu: you mean dpkg -l | grep that? |
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| 16:22.43 | hoxu | !tell vallhalla about livecd |
| 16:22.54 | maligor | vallhalla, depends on what the current os is |
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| 16:23.00 | vallhalla | ubuntu |
| 16:23.02 | Legality | I still don't figure it out, lets say I try to mkdir for the dirs /folder/*/ and the new directory that I'm creating is dir1 |
| 16:23.03 | hoxu | jair_, try "apt-cache search linux-headers-`uname -r`" |
| 16:23.10 | Legality | how is that command build :D |
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| 16:23.36 | maligor | vallhalla, well, it is possible to install debian from ubuntu |
| 16:24.02 | vallhalla | i wish to install it alongside so i can dual boot |
| 16:24.07 | jair_ | hoxu: FYI this is a kernel I compiled last night not in the debian way, but in the traditional way |
| 16:24.15 | maligor | with debootstrap, I've never actually tried to boot a debian constructed with it tho |
| 16:24.22 | jair_ | hoxu: I did not use fakeroot and other of those tools |
| 16:24.27 | hoxu | Legality, read the absg, make a directory in /tmp/ and start playing around, you'll learn stuff that way :) |
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| 16:24.37 | Legality | hehe aghh |
| 16:24.47 | hoxu | jair_, I hope you used kernel-package at least ) |
| 16:24.50 | hoxu | *:) |
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| 16:25.02 | Arkard | ok people, now i have installed the ndiswrapper and already installed the "file.inf" now what? |
| 16:25.28 | jair_ | hoxu: Dahhhhh! |
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| 16:25.40 | jair_ | hoxu: otherwise my machine will not be up |
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| 16:25.42 | SlayerXP | Arkard: next you read the next instruction in the ndiswrapper howto |
| 16:25.43 | jair_ | and runnign |
| 16:25.46 | hoxu | jair_, you really should, as it can make .debs for custom kernel, and also separate ones for headers if you ask it to |
| 16:25.47 | TheBonsai | Legality: http://bash-hackers.org/wiki/doku.php/syntax/ccmd/classic_for |
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| 16:26.09 | maligor | vallhalla, you could try googling for debootstrap tutorials on installing a functional debian system with it |
| 16:26.18 | jair_ | hoxu: right maybe in the future |
| 16:26.28 | maligor | vallhalla, or you can use the install media's also |
| 16:26.30 | jair_ | hoxu: any suggestions for what I have now? |
| 16:26.47 | vallhalla | maligor: perfect thank you for your time |
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| 16:26.48 | vvd | maligor: man debootstrap .) |
| 16:26.51 | hoxu | jair_, yes, make the same one again, with kernel-package this time ;) |
| 16:27.18 | maligor | vvd, yes, but I'm unsure if it'll have everything... like a kernel :P |
| 16:27.42 | waltz | how do I install the libpcap library? |
| 16:27.48 | hoxu | !tell waltz about search |
| 16:28.00 | Legality | $*;echo mkdir $*/subdir; |
| 16:28.01 | maligor | and it certainly won't install a boot manager |
| 16:28.05 | Legality | gah what's wrong with tath |
| 16:28.06 | waltz | mmmk ay |
| 16:28.24 | hoxu | Legality, subtract alcohol |
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| 16:29.16 | acxty | hi guys, may someone help me create a cron job for a python script |
| 16:29.18 | TheBonsai | Legality: if you have bash trouble, go to #bash or /query me |
| 16:29.36 | acxty | I am searching the web, but don't find anything useful |
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| 16:30.10 | Arkar1 | Hi? |
| 16:30.21 | hoxu | acxty, what's the problem? |
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| 16:30.36 | Seb | what is running "alsactl store" behind my back ? This is driving me nuts, as soon as I reboot my box everything is mute, even though I've run "alsactl store" countless times when everything is in the state I like |
| 16:30.44 | Seb | I don't use kde or gnome or anything fancy like that |
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| 16:31.22 | Arkar1 | guys, at last i've installed the ndiswrapper, and use it to install the file.inf, now what? |
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| 16:31.44 | SlayerXP | Arkard: next you read the next instruction in the ndiswrapper howto |
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| 16:32.10 | acxty | hoxu, I want to execute it every 10 seconds, but it seems that it only support >= minutes |
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| 16:32.44 | hoxu | acxty, correct, if you want to do something that often, make another script that runs something and sleeps 10 secs in loop |
| 16:32.46 | xqj37 | acxty: you can let your python script run as a daemon |
| 16:33.18 | hoxu | acxty, naturally you'd then want to run that script from cron only once, see @reboot keyword in the manual |
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| 16:34.37 | QzTzW | pffaa |
| 16:34.38 | QzTzW | :D |
| 16:35.08 | slidesinger | I'm trying to find sources in testing that I can use to build xfbdev, looking at the xfbdev package in experimental, it looks like it is being compiled from xorg-server sources. What is the usual resource for verifying this kind of information? |
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| 16:35.40 | QzTzW | slaps NighTStaR around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:36.10 | hoxu | QzTzW, please don't use this channel as a place to test your irc client |
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| 16:36.40 | Adrianos | Hi |
| 16:36.45 | Arkar1 | ok SlayerXP, i did the next step and when i verified the drivers, i get this: http://pastebin.com/d2e0cd524 |
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| 16:39.23 | Arkar1 | what is the problem SlayerXP? |
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| 16:42.56 | bertvdp | hi, how can I mount a DVD image so I can play it with a movie player (just standard loop mounting does NOT work) ??? |
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| 16:43.12 | acxty | xqj37, the daemon part is interesting, where can I get information of programming a daemon with pythn |
| 16:43.30 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 16:43.30 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:43.48 | QzTzW | /whois dpkg dpkg |
| 16:43.57 | xqj37 | acxty: google python script daemon |
| 16:44.08 | xqj37 | I think I used the ASPN Cookbook thing |
| 16:44.15 | xqj37 | worked pretty well |
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| 16:45.02 | Arkar1 | still having problems with ndiswrapper |
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| 16:45.57 | incorrect | can i set the keyboard map in the grub boot options? |
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| 16:46.50 | Arkar1 | can anybody help me? |
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| 16:48.28 | catzilla | why doesn't apt work as a daemon instead of as a regular process? |
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| 16:49.36 | slidesinger | Arkar1: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 16:49.40 | mortal1 | does anyone here know how to undelete files in xfs? |
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| 16:50.30 | slidesinger | catzilla: Why would you want apt-to work as a daemon? |
| 16:50.33 | Arkar1 | slidesinger: i've already installed the ndiswrapper, but now i get error with the drivers |
| 16:50.59 | benjamindees | is anyone here actually doing CAD work on *nix ? |
| 16:51.19 | catzilla | slidesinger: so you could, for example, add more packages to the install queue while other packages are currently being downloaded/installed |
| 16:51.39 | catzilla | or just in general so that more than one user or one user in more than one login can use it at the same time |
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| 16:52.58 | slidesinger | Arkar1: I went through this a long time ago. I think what I did to fix it was to remove the drivers manually (deleted the files, edited the config files) Then reinstalled them and they worked. Don't know if that will help you. |
| 16:53.24 | Arkar1 | how can i do that slidesinger? |
| 16:53.31 | catzilla | there's no real need to lock the database if you just queue the requests and check what the dependencies will look like after the current install request is finished |
| 16:53.47 | xj24 | does debian stable provide the module f71882fg ? |
| 16:54.36 | benjamindees | !file f71882fg.ko |
| 16:54.50 | benjamindees | er... |
| 16:55.13 | slidesinger | catzilla: Potentially dangerous having more than one user be able to put stuff in the queue, suppose you request inslalling something that has a dependency that conflicts with a dependency of something I'm installing? Besides, how often do you relly install on the box? |
| 16:55.43 | catzilla | slidesinger: that's why it would check the dependencies of all subsequent requests based on the dependencies that will exist at the end of the current install process |
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| 16:56.19 | catzilla | well, the gnome update manager for example pops up at inconvenient times |
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| 16:56.27 | catzilla | then if i ssh in and want to install something i have to wait |
| 16:56.31 | benjamindees | xj24, no but it's in testing |
| 16:56.41 | catzilla | i'm sure other people have run into this. is there any type of workaround? |
| 16:56.52 | slidesinger | catzilla: You do realize that you can ctrl-c, insert something in the queue, then restart it and it will pick up right where it left off, flawlessly. |
| 16:56.53 | catzilla | i suppose i could just write a queuing script myself |
| 16:56.59 | catzilla | no i did not |
| 16:57.15 | ZurnaNet41 | Hi guys , could you please check this webpage out, and give me your feedback www.eismanicaclara.com |
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| 16:57.29 | catzilla | just ctrl-c -> apt-get install another-package ? |
| 16:57.50 | catzilla | ah i see what your saying |
| 16:57.55 | slidesinger | catzilla: You might also check out cron-apt and the apt-manual. |
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| 16:58.11 | catzilla | but if it's in the middle of a download will it resume the download from where it left? |
| 16:58.11 | xj24 | benjamindees: mmh, I'd prefer installing the stable branch, but need the module. can I install just that package from testing then? |
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| 16:58.22 | ZurnaNet41 | Hi guys , could you please check this webpage out, and give me your feedback www.eismanicaclara.com |
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| 16:58.29 | slidesinger | ctrl-c, recall the previous command, add your new packages, then press enter. |
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| 16:58.43 | catzilla | eh |
| 16:58.57 | catzilla | what if the install is running from another terminal |
| 16:59.02 | catzilla | or from another user |
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| 16:59.09 | catzilla | in the first case you'd have to kill the process right |
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| 16:59.16 | ZurnaNet41 | Hi guys , could you please check this webpage out, and give me your feedback www.eismanicaclara.com |
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| 16:59.35 | Arkar1 | guys, already installed the driver but the wireless doesn't work, what to do now? |
| 16:59.58 | slidesinger | That's another matter entirely. If you kill it and start a new process, the packages from the other process will never get installed. |
| 17:00.07 | catzilla | well then that's a problem |
| 17:00.09 | mbroeker | chatzilla install cron and add APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists=1 to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:00.14 | ZurnaNet41 | Hi guys , could you please check this webpage out, and give me your feedback www.eismanicaclara.com |
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| 17:00.22 | catzilla | mbroeker how will that solve the problem? |
| 17:01.11 | slidesinger | However, you can ps aux | grep apt to find out who the owner of the other process is and work with them. |
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| 17:01.47 | catzilla | sounds kludgy |
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| 17:02.30 | Arkar1 | when i run ifconfig wlan0 up i get the error: wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: device doesn't exist |
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| 17:02.40 | benjamindees | !tell xj24 about simple sid backport |
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| 17:03.16 | slidesinger | catzilla: I've been using debian since 1998 and never had occasoin to need this. Doesn't mean it isn't a useful feature, though. |
| 17:03.22 | benjamindees | xj24, I'm not sure that works with kernels though |
| 17:03.35 | catzilla | maybe i'll post to the bug system |
| 17:03.54 | Arkar1 | a little help please? |
| 17:04.01 | catzilla | i could just write wrapper scripts but i'm concerned with messing up the security |
| 17:04.02 | xj24 | benjamindees: okay, thank you. |
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| 17:04.58 | scx | hello |
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| 17:05.20 | slidesinger | Arkar1: grep -r wlan0 /etc should show you if it's defined in any files. |
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| 17:05.29 | ardya | hi folks |
| 17:05.46 | ace | hi guyz, you can perhaps help me. I used updated etch and i have to launch a binary that use an old version of mysqclient, what can i do to launch this? |
| 17:05.50 | ardya | if you're rebuilding a deb src pkg, does the pkg ver need to be incremented as well? Everytime I rebuild a deb src pkg, apt wants to update it afterwards |
| 17:05.58 | scx | do you have a "foomatic-rip.ps" (or others ps/eps files) in /usr/share/gnome-cups-manager? |
| 17:06.12 | Arkar1 | slidesinger: http://pastebin.com/m32d81a9 |
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| 17:06.43 | peyman_t | hi everyone. what is the package required for java_cup.runtime in Debian (Etch)? |
| 17:07.04 | catzilla | Arkar1: look at /etc/network/interfaces and see what's listed |
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| 17:08.11 | ph8 | hi all, this is a weird queston - i'm installing a kernel on an etch system |
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| 17:08.22 | ph8 | do i just grab linux-image-2.6.18-6-686? |
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| 17:08.41 | peyman_t | ph8: depending on your architecture |
| 17:08.42 | ph8 | is there a dummy package i can get that automatically pushes updates? |
| 17:08.48 | ph8 | i'm on a 686 - Xeon chip |
| 17:09.04 | Arkar1 | slidesinger: http://pastebin.com/m679f3708 |
| 17:09.14 | Arkar1 | catzilla: http://pastebin.com/m679f3708 |
| 17:09.19 | scx | ph8: update-initramfs -u && grub-update |
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| 17:10.00 | ph8 | ty |
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| 17:11.42 | Arkar1 | catzilla? |
| 17:12.02 | benjamindees | ph8, the dummy package you want is linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 17:12.16 | ph8 | ty |
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| 17:13.34 | ace | I used updated etch and i have to launch a binary that use an old version of mysqclient, what can i do to launch this? |
| 17:13.39 | catzilla | Arkar1: how did you install the driver? |
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| 17:13.55 | ph8 | hmm |
| 17:13.58 | ph8 | how do i install grub? |
| 17:14.00 | Arkar1 | catzilla: using the command ndiswrapper -i file.inf |
| 17:14.01 | ph8 | my / is on /dev/sda1 |
| 17:14.06 | ph8 | but grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:14.07 | ph8 | didn't work |
| 17:14.42 | benjamindees | is it usual to have to link /etc/printcap to /var/run/cups/printcap or is there a package that will do this for me/ |
| 17:15.26 | catzilla | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Installing-GRUB-natively |
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| 17:17.38 | retard | hello, i have a macbook pro 3.1 and when i boot, i have to connect a usb keyboard or else it wont work...also it cant detect the ethernet card, sky2 is too old in the kernel for this mbp...is there any alternative kernel to boot with in debian installer ? |
| 17:17.46 | ph8 | catzilla: osariss:~# grub-install /dev/sda |
| 17:17.46 | ph8 | /dev/sda1: Not found or not a block device. |
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| 17:17.57 | ph8 | does it have to be unmounted? i'm trying to do this install remotely |
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| 17:18.09 | retard | like in debian sarge...we could boot with default kernel or with kernel26 param... |
| 17:18.10 | catzilla | fdisk -l |
| 17:18.26 | ph8 | disk /dev/sda - but there are no partitions :p |
| 17:18.32 | catzilla | .... |
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| 17:18.36 | ph8 | should i build a partition table first? this side of things is all new to me |
| 17:19.15 | retard | my question is, anyone have a good guide for install debian on a macbook pro version 3,1?... http://wiki.debian.org/macbookpro is not enough... :( |
| 17:19.21 | retard | installing* |
| 17:20.03 | benjamindees | you can set the mac keyboard during installation, retard. I'm not sure how to do it afterwards. |
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| 17:20.45 | benjamindees | (in expert mode at least) |
| 17:20.49 | retard | ok...i will do that and after that compile a kernel...ic... |
| 17:21.02 | amphi | !laptop |
| 17:21.02 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 17:21.15 | amphi | retard: ^^^ |
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| 17:21.39 | retard | ok |
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| 17:21.49 | retard | laters... |
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| 17:22.34 | byte_slave | hello everyone! |
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| 17:23.07 | apt_get | Hi |
| 17:23.21 | byte_slave | i installed debian etch with minimal requirements, and now i need to install some additional stuff like, apache and i'm have problems. |
| 17:23.40 | apt_get | I use Debian ETCH and cant put a network to work! |
| 17:23.43 | apt_get | lspci -> Fibre Channel: Emulex Corporation Zephyr LightPulse Fibre Channel Host Adapter (rev 02) |
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| 17:24.20 | byte_slave | i make "sudo apt-get install apache2" and it tells me "E: Package apache has no installation candidate" |
| 17:24.23 | apt_get | modprobe lpfc its ok |
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| 17:24.43 | apt_get | but no iface comes up... - ifconfig -a |
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| 17:27.41 | benjamindees | byte_slave, have you added mirrors/cd/dvds to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:28.55 | benjamindees | byte_slave, depending on how you installed it should have been done then. |
| 17:29.34 | byte_slave | benjamimdees, yes, i commented the CDROM source to use always my internet connection to fetch repositories and i added a new repository |
| 17:29.53 | benjamindees | byte_slave, apt-get update ? |
| 17:30.31 | byte_slave | benjamindess, apt-get update fetches 0 new packages or updates |
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| 17:30.52 | mXr | hi! whats the supposed way to install debian on a 8tb disk (3ware raid)? |
| 17:31.02 | mXr | i tried grub-efi from etch-backports with no success |
| 17:31.54 | benjamindees | byte_slave, what does apt-cache show apache2 say? |
| 17:32.40 | byte_slave | benjamindess, apt-get update fetches 0 new packages or updates |
| 17:32.46 | toki | probably the mirror that u choosed isnt up to date |
| 17:32.55 | byte_slave | benjamindess, nothing happens |
| 17:33.11 | benjamindees | byte_slave, no errors is good |
| 17:33.25 | benjamindees | byte_slave, can you paste the appropriate 'deb' line from sources.list? |
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| 17:33.58 | byte_slave | benjamindess,sure "" |
| 17:34.20 | byte_slave | benjamindess, "# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ etch contrib main |
| 17:34.22 | byte_slave | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15]/ etch contrib main |
| 17:34.24 | byte_slave | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:34.25 | byte_slave | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:34.27 | byte_slave | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free" |
| 17:34.47 | mot | is it possible to use firefox 3 on debian? |
| 17:35.00 | Kauhsa | Yes :) |
| 17:35.05 | mot | how? |
| 17:35.14 | Kauhsa | uses firefox3.0pre |
| 17:35.14 | mot | everytime i manually download it and symlink it to /usr/bin/firefox |
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| 17:35.23 | mot | iceweasel (2.0.0.12) just pops up.... |
| 17:35.42 | Kauhsa | Do you have iceweasel running while you're trying to run ff3 |
| 17:35.48 | mot | no |
| 17:35.59 | Kauhsa | Does it work if you doesn't symlink it |
| 17:36.04 | benjamindees | byte_slave, you need a regular mirror besides security and backports |
| 17:36.11 | xsdg | Is there a way to make aptitude's default action "upgrade or install new" rather than "revert to the status quo"? |
| 17:36.12 | mot | let me try |
| 17:36.19 | Kauhsa | I mean, running it directly |
| 17:36.23 | benjamindees | byte_slave, ftp.us.debian.org or similar |
| 17:36.33 | micols | i wish gimp testing had been backported to etch |
| 17:36.47 | micols | i found it impossible to compile it on my system apparently |
| 17:36.59 | byte_slave | benjamindees, so the full line to wrote there is .... can u plz provide me an example? |
| 17:37.37 | ampex | this is such a dumb question, but how can I tell if an ethernet interface has anything plugged into it? |
| 17:37.40 | ampex | ifconfig ? |
| 17:37.43 | benjamindees | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 17:37.56 | ampex | nvm, ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready |
| 17:38.01 | ampex | pretty self explanatory |
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| 17:40.05 | jim | moin |
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| 17:40.13 | tralalaptop | tarzeau: what was the panorama software you told me about the other day? |
| 17:40.27 | mot | so |
| 17:40.34 | mot | where can i get gtk 2.10 for etch? |
| 17:40.42 | Kauhsa | mot, worked? :) |
| 17:40.46 | byte_slave | benjamindees, thank u. This is because i installed the net-inst version of debian etch? |
| 17:40.55 | mot | Kauhsa, nah i need gtk2.10 installed |
| 17:41.15 | mot | i don't feel comfortable grabbing it from the sid repos because it is going to have a lot of deps |
| 17:41.19 | mot | so |
| 17:41.29 | Kauhsa | Ok, I'm using lenny |
| 17:41.42 | jim | mot: maybe backports? what version you running now |
| 17:41.44 | mot | lenny or sid is unstable? |
| 17:41.46 | hoxu | where is /var/log/syslog rotated from? |
| 17:41.48 | tralalaptop | mot, if it is already backported you can take it from bpo otherwise "simple sid backport" |
| 17:41.59 | jim | lenny is testing right now |
| 17:42.01 | benjamindees | byte_slave, I'm not sure; you should have selected a valid mirror during install; perhaps it is a bug |
| 17:42.46 | byte_slave | benjamindees, ok. anyway with you're help its seems to be ok, its updating |
| 17:43.05 | jim | tralalaptop: well... yeah... he could do that. problem is, this is a lib and so deps will be affected no matter what (if he has gtk-depending packages installed) |
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| 17:44.24 | tralalaptop | jim: they might be, yes - you'll never know before trying |
| 17:44.57 | jim | well if he has gtk-depending packages, I do know things will be problematic |
| 17:45.30 | jim | for example, if he's running gnome, a LOT of things might start failing to work |
| 17:45.37 | mot | haha i'm running fluxbox |
| 17:45.41 | mot | i'm just going to switch over to lenny |
| 17:46.15 | tralalaptop | this is probably the easiest way to upgrade gtk... and to break your box |
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| 17:46.22 | jim | (or package dependencies will kill him: no sources for packages that depend on that version will cause apt-get to just throw a bunch of errors) |
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| 17:47.36 | jim | mot: got a separate /home? gpt stuff in your home dir you want to keep? |
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| 17:47.57 | mot | jim lol no these are just test boxes at work that i dick with |
| 17:48.45 | jim | should be no harm then.... but I'll throw out to you that it could be useful to have a separate partition (or logical volume) for your /home |
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| 17:50.08 | ALiENr0x | hi all |
| 17:50.13 | ALiENr0x | how i can fix it: dpkg: »ldconfig« wurde im PATH nicht gefunden |
| 17:50.14 | ALiENr0x | ? |
| 17:50.22 | ALiENr0x | how i can set the path? |
| 17:50.37 | ALiENr0x | NB: PATH von root sollte /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin und /sbin enthalten. |
| 17:50.45 | jim | if ldconfig is not in your path there's some serious problems... |
| 17:51.01 | ALiENr0x | jim: when i do apt-get install build-essential |
| 17:51.02 | ALiENr0x | do this |
| 17:51.03 | ALiENr0x | .. |
| 17:51.15 | ALiENr0x | i think that i have to set a PATH |
| 17:51.16 | ALiENr0x | .. |
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| 17:51.42 | jim | oh, who are you trying to run apt-get as? |
| 17:52.04 | ALiENr0x | yes |
| 17:52.10 | ALiENr0x | i think |
| 17:52.19 | ALiENr0x | that i have changed the path |
| 17:52.28 | ALiENr0x | export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin |
| 17:52.29 | jim | how? |
| 17:52.32 | ALiENr0x | with this |
| 17:52.34 | ALiENr0x | for error |
| 17:52.39 | ALiENr0x | how i can come back? |
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| 17:52.47 | jim | oh, which user did you do this for? |
| 17:53.00 | jim | just add to the end of that: |
| 17:53.15 | ALiENr0x | export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin: |
| 17:53.16 | ALiENr0x | ? |
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| 17:53.22 | suppaman | hello |
| 17:53.23 | jim | :/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 17:53.25 | suppaman | I've just installed debian on a lapton |
| 17:53.28 | suppaman | laptop |
| 17:53.33 | jim | try that |
| 17:53.52 | jim | so the whole thing is |
| 17:53.54 | suppaman | now I've installed windows too, I'd like to add windows to the grub partition, is there some automagic command ? |
| 17:54.09 | jim | export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 17:54.10 | ALiENr0x | -bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 17:54.11 | ALiENr0x | XD |
| 17:54.18 | cloakable | o.o |
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| 17:54.42 | lvh | hello |
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| 17:54.56 | lvh | What group do I need to add my user to so that it's allowed to start his own X sessions? |
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| 17:55.26 | lvh | starting them with soemthing like this: "X :2 -ac -terminate &" |
| 17:55.43 | DirkGently | lvh: try startx? |
| 17:55.56 | ALiENr0x | please help |
| 17:56.01 | ALiENr0x | i need to patch the PATH |
| 17:56.07 | jim | ALiENr0x: please read |
| 17:56.11 | lvh | DirkGently: Unfortunately there are good reasons why X :2 -ac -terminate is needed, startx would be the easy solution, but, no |
| 17:56.13 | ALiENr0x | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 17:56.18 | ALiENr0x | a ok |
| 17:56.44 | ALiENr0x | thx |
| 17:56.45 | ALiENr0x | now work |
| 17:56.48 | ALiENr0x | :þ |
| 17:57.30 | jim | have you considered browsing around in the dirs named by that path? |
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| 17:58.09 | ALiENr0x | jim now is all ok |
| 17:58.12 | ALiENr0x | :) |
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| 17:58.23 | jim | good, my question is still standing |
| 17:58.46 | ALiENr0x | jim: u know what is the name of the package for openssl-dev |
| 17:58.46 | ALiENr0x | ? |
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| 17:59.23 | stew | ALiENr0x: libssl-dev |
| 17:59.34 | jim | sooo... ALiENr0x, have you considered browsing around in the dirs named by that path? |
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| 17:59.51 | ALiENr0x | yes |
| 18:00.16 | jim | good :) you might find some interesting stuff in there |
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| 18:01.54 | DirkGently | so isn't apt-get always in /usr/bin? |
| 18:02.55 | jim | yes, which he was missing when he misinterpreted the words "add to the end of your existing path, this:" as "replace with this:" |
| 18:03.51 | xsdg | so, the `svn` command just started segfaulting (when it's about to exit). It looks like the immediate cause is an invalid free from libldap2. Running ltrace on `svn` shows that it happens immediately after (in?) the following call: apr_pool_destroy(0x62d278, 1, 0, -1, 0xffffffff) |
| 18:03.57 | DirkGently | wonders why his PATH was broken |
| 18:04.06 | xsdg | any ideas how to fix this? (or, at the very least, where to submit a bug report) |
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| 18:04.15 | jim | he says he changed it |
| 18:04.21 | xsdg | DirkGently: poor detective work |
| 18:04.37 | dirk_ | isn't dh-make in the debian repo? :/ |
| 18:04.42 | DirkGently | xsdg: lol... not my PATH |
| 18:04.45 | stew | xsdg: you are on testing? |
| 18:04.50 | xsdg | stew: sid |
| 18:05.17 | stew | xsdg: it was happening to me in testing a week or two ago, but in updating my system in preparation file a bug report, it went away |
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| 18:05.33 | xsdg | stew: weird |
| 18:05.53 | xsdg | stew: did you update apache stuff? ldap stuff? |
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| 18:06.03 | stew | xsdg: 'aptitude full-upgrade' |
| 18:06.07 | stew | xsdg: so, yes |
| 18:06.11 | xsdg | "oh" :o) |
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| 18:06.44 | jim | what's full-upgrade? |
| 18:06.54 | xsdg | probably "upgrade everything that can be" |
| 18:06.54 | xsdg | . |
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| 18:07.19 | stew | jim: "This command was originally named dist-upgrade for historical reasons, and aptitude still recognizes dist-upgrade as a synonym for full-upgrade" |
| 18:07.34 | jim | ahh, thanks |
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| 18:08.14 | stew | upgrade,dist-upgrade -> safe-upgrade,full-upgrade in aptitude in testing/sid |
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| 18:09.01 | jim | is sid moreorless still tracking testing to a degree? |
| 18:09.30 | stew | eh? |
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| 18:09.36 | xsdg | jim: vice-versa? |
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| 18:10.10 | xsdg | hates aptitude |
| 18:10.20 | jim | I've seen it happen that maints will hold the major experimentation down while there is a testing to release |
| 18:10.57 | jim | now that I say that it sorta doesn't make sense |
| 18:11.08 | stew | jim: that isn't happening yet, though they will start freezing things sometime soonish |
| 18:11.39 | chops | xsdg: What do you hate aptitude? |
| 18:11.55 | chops | (as I fall into a clever trap and say goodbye to the next ten minutes of my life :-/) |
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| 18:12.25 | stew | aptitude often takes all the fun out of solving dependency problems by solving them for you |
| 18:12.26 | jim | chops: the trap wasn't sprung properly... you need to rephrase :) |
| 18:12.33 | xsdg | chops: because it's default way to resolve broken packages is "undo what you just tried to upgrade" rather than "upgrade the dependencies" |
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| 18:13.14 | chops | xsdg: If that were true (if I understand you correctly) nothing would never get upgraded. Can you give an example? |
| 18:13.57 | jim | well nothing would get upgraded if there were a problem |
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| 18:14.24 | xsdg | chops: I hit "+" on lib32gcc1. It has dependencies that need to be resolved. I hit "e" to look. The first option is "Keep the following packages at their current version: lib32gcc1" |
| 18:14.31 | blubberdiblub | well, it depends on the pin-priorities you've set. it will only automatically upgrade dependencies you yourself deem sane using the correct priorities |
| 18:14.40 | xsdg | chops: the first option _should_ be to upgrade the dependencies |
| 18:15.01 | chops | xsdg: Are the broken dependencies something that can be resolved? Is this the current sid (what version of lib32gcc1)? |
| 18:15.09 | stew | aptitude comes up with many possibilities to resolve a dependency, and ranks them. often it ranks the "do nothing" candidate as the safest, becuase it wouldnt' require doing things that it deems less desirable, like removing packages |
| 18:15.25 | stew | however, you can say "No" to that resolution and try others until you find the one you want |
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| 18:15.52 | stew | as oppsed to apt-get, which only ever comes up with one possible way to solve a dependency problem |
| 18:15.54 | chops | xsdg: I maintained a partially-upgraded sid system for many months (needing to leave xorg behind for a while) by doing 'aptitude install' and letting it work out what needed to happen, including upgrading dependencies. That worked fine for me. |
| 18:16.00 | blubberdiblub | and you can reconfigure the weights of its ranking process :) |
| 18:16.06 | xsdg | blubberdiblub: how? |
| 18:16.13 | chops | xsdg: So there must be something different between your situation now and my situation then |
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| 18:16.40 | blubberdiblub | xsdg: well, there should be documentation on the config lines in /usr/share/doc/aptitude-doc/ |
| 18:16.56 | xsdg | blubberdiblub: are docs online somewhere? |
| 18:16.57 | chops | xsdg: (My first guess as to that difference is that your upgraded lib32gcc1 deps actually _can't_ be resolved at the present time, though that's just a guess) |
| 18:17.22 | xsdg | chops: by "broken" I meant "the packages it depends on need to be ugpraded also" |
| 18:17.27 | xsdg | I didn't actually mean broken |
| 18:17.44 | blubberdiblub | xsdg: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ |
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| 18:18.20 | xsdg | stew: the problem is that if I accumulate dependencies for a few packages, the number of "bad" ways to resolve depencies grows exponentially, and the solution I want is usually at the end |
| 18:18.30 | chops | xsdg: Again, what version of lib32gcc1 are you trying to upgrade to? |
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| 18:19.06 | xsdg | chops: it doesn't matter; it's a general problem. The new version of lib32gcc1 wants upgraded versions of gcc-4.3-base, and a couple other packages |
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| 18:19.22 | xsdg | chops: this is not a package problem, this is an aptitude problem (which blubberdiblub may have a solution to) |
| 18:19.24 | stew | xsdg: in those cases, i just use the frontend where you can be very explicit about what you want by requesting specific versions and forbiding others |
| 18:19.27 | blubberdiblub | xsdg: all options beginning with Aptitude::ProblemResolver:: |
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| 18:19.47 | stew | the frontend has somewhat of a learning curve though |
| 18:20.31 | xsdg | stew: that's too detailed if all I want to say is "yeah, upgrade all of the dependencies to their latest versions" |
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| 18:21.17 | jim | well |
| 18:21.25 | jim | that judgement is your choice |
| 18:21.48 | xsdg | jim: my problem is that "the solutions it offers are in the wrong order." nothing else. |
| 18:21.53 | xsdg | keeps looking at blubberdiblub's link |
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| 18:22.11 | chops | xsdg: I'll be damned, you're right about the ncurses frontend. I always use the command-line frontend, which doesn't have the behavior. That does seem wrong, yes. |
| 18:22.13 | blubberdiblub | xsdg: look at the Configuration File Reference ;) |
| 18:22.32 | chops | xsdg: It might be worth a wishlist bug if there isn't one already |
| 18:22.54 | xsdg | blubberdiblub: yeah, I am |
| 18:22.57 | jim | if a solution has been offered to you and there isn't another, you can either sit and go "wah", apply the solution, or build what you want |
| 18:23.13 | xsdg | jim: I'm reading the docs :o) |
| 18:23.35 | xsdg | chops: ok, I'll go ahead and do that once I figure out how to get this to do what I want |
| 18:23.52 | chops | jim: Or file a bug :-) |
| 18:24.16 | jim | and in so doing, request that someone else build what he wants |
| 18:24.45 | jim | but you're right, that is a choice he has |
| 18:24.46 | chops | jim: In this case, I think he's right that the default behavior is, in general, wrong |
| 18:24.51 | xsdg | jim: If I tell aptitude to upgrade a package, it's first suggestion shouldn't be to fix dependencies by un-upgrading my package |
| 18:24.59 | xsdg | jim: that's just stupid |
| 18:25.22 | chops | jim: And the command-line frontend has the logical behavior; it's not some sort of unintended consequence of a (simple) underlying principle |
| 18:25.23 | jim | how are these suggestions presented? |
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| 18:25.40 | xsdg | jim: a linear array |
| 18:25.54 | chops | jim: Each option fills the bottom half of the ncurses display, and you can press . and , to page forward and back through them |
| 18:26.02 | blubberdiblub | well, it usually suggests the right (safe) solution for me, and i haven't reconfigured the weights and using the ncurses frontend here |
| 18:26.07 | jim | gotcha |
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| 18:26.43 | blubberdiblub | if it does not, i resolve the problems manually |
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| 18:27.17 | chops | blubberdiblub: He's talking about one specific interaction (paging through the list of upgradable packages, picking one, and requesting to upgrade that one in particular) |
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| 18:27.33 | chops | blubberdiblub: I have to assume that the ncurses equivalent of 'aptitude dist-upgrade' works sensibly :-) |
| 18:27.34 | cr3 | how can I create a symbolic link as part of the files in a package? |
| 18:27.39 | jim | but my question is why is it offering to not upgrade as first choice? does it think there's something it can't resolve in the deps? |
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| 18:27.55 | chops | jim: I think you'd have to ask the aptitude devs that :-) |
| 18:28.06 | xsdg | jim: I think the scores are just set poorly |
| 18:28.10 | chops | jim: He said it was a general problem, and it behaved as he described when I tested it on a random package |
| 18:29.00 | jim | said random package being one that had additional deps? |
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| 18:29.07 | chops | jim: Correct |
| 18:29.25 | jim | and were those deps resolvable with your sources? |
| 18:29.34 | blubberdiblub | jim: for me, aptitude denies upgrading a dependency when the package depended upon would be upgraded to sid for instance, which i gave a rather low pin-priority. which is good, as i want to review such upgrades first before applying them |
| 18:29.35 | chops | jim: Yep. That was the second option in the list. |
| 18:29.45 | stew | cr3: with dh_link |
| 18:29.50 | jim | chops: ok, for that case he's right |
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| 18:30.00 | chops | xsdg: See, we do listen :-) |
| 18:30.16 | cr3 | stew: cheers man! |
| 18:30.35 | jim | but for the case of "there's no way to resolve this one dep", doing nothing -is- the best default |
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| 18:30.43 | chops | jim: Definitely |
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| 18:32.14 | dirk_ | Can somebody help me building a deb package? I've downloaded this and put it in a folder http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/m/mscore/ |
| 18:32.28 | cusco | hey dudes... when we have a wireless card driver... does all teh drivers support wpa encryption? |
| 18:32.41 | cusco | is that support handled by the driver or by external modules |
| 18:32.48 | cusco | for those psk or tkip encryptions |
| 18:32.50 | jim | dirk_: what help do you need |
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| 18:33.07 | cusco | !mg |
| 18:33.08 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 18:33.19 | dirk_ | jim, I don't know how to process further... which steps which commands |
| 18:33.33 | jim | what have you done so far |
| 18:33.36 | mot | dpkh, Ni |
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| 18:33.40 | mot | dpkg, Ni |
| 18:33.41 | dpkg | ni is Nicaragua; 2-letter: ni; 3-letter: nic; number: 558. Ekki ekki ekki ekki-z'Bang zoom-Boing z'nourrrwringmm |
| 18:33.48 | mot | dpkg, TR |
| 18:33.49 | dpkg | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 18:33.56 | dp\ | erm |
| 18:33.56 | dp\ | "The sysklogd program used as a syslog server for many Linux distributions also leaves out fields. It leaves out the time/date information and the hostname information (the entire "header")." |
| 18:33.56 | dp\ | it does this when forwarding logs to a remote syslogd server |
| 18:33.56 | dp\ | is there any way i can convince it to not do this or is there some alternative software that isn't quite so brain dead? |
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| 18:34.16 | dirk_ | jim, this command dpkg-source -x mscore_0.9.1d+dfsg-1.dsc |
| 18:34.28 | jim | ok, cd in there |
| 18:34.54 | chops | dp\: My syslog certainly has timestamps and hostnames |
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| 18:35.13 | dirk_ | jim, ok |
| 18:35.29 | jim | notice there's a dir in there, called debian |
| 18:35.36 | dirk_ | jim, yes |
| 18:35.44 | jim | it's got all the packaging info in there |
| 18:35.54 | jim | try this: debian/rules build |
| 18:35.59 | odder | mmm.. any ideas how to replace "&" with "&" in sed? |
| 18:36.10 | jim | (note, that's executing a script "rules" inside debian dir) |
| 18:36.18 | jim | err oops |
| 18:36.32 | jim | not starting with that one, |
| 18:36.37 | jim | do this first: |
| 18:36.41 | jim | debian/rules clean |
| 18:36.59 | dirk_ | jim, its already running.... |
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| 18:37.09 | dirk_ | and it will take some time... |
| 18:37.19 | dp\ | chops |
| 18:37.19 | jim | the build? |
| 18:37.26 | dirk_ | debian/rules build |
| 18:37.29 | dp\ | my sysklogd does aswell |
| 18:37.35 | jim | go ahead and stop it... |
| 18:37.36 | dp\ | when it records logs to file/disk |
| 18:37.37 | mot | dpkg eur |
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| 18:37.44 | mot | dpkg, eur |
| 18:37.44 | dp\ | it just drops hostname and date from the message |
| 18:37.52 | dp\ | when spooling across the network udp/514 |
| 18:37.55 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.01 | dirk_ | jim, first let it finish? |
| 18:38.03 | asg | mot: you can /msg dpkg as well |
| 18:38.17 | jim | nah, you don't have to |
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| 18:38.47 | mot | yea sorry |
| 18:38.48 | dirk_ | ok, did debian/rules clean |
| 18:38.50 | chops | dp\: IIRC remote syslogs are identified with timestamp and hostname as well (I guess they must be filled in by the receiving daemon if what you're saying is correct)... why are you concerned about this? |
| 18:39.01 | jim | ok, now do debian/rules build |
| 18:39.16 | dirk_ | ok |
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| 18:39.30 | jim | after that, do debian/rules binary |
| 18:39.39 | jim | after that, look in .. |
| 18:39.40 | mot | acemiii |
| 18:39.45 | mot | nbr :O |
| 18:40.14 | dp\ | chops |
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| 18:40.52 | chops | dp\: Please write "chops: message" instead of just a line "chops" that makes me switch back to the IM window and find nothing useful for me |
| 18:41.04 | chops | !tell dp\ about enter |
| 18:41.25 | dp\ | err sorry - got side-tracked writing the next line |
| 18:41.37 | dp\ | it was .. "figured it out, the remote receiving syslogd server populates the date and hostname fields itself" |
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| 18:42.10 | dp\ | !tell dp where to find boat loads of goat porn |
| 18:42.16 | dp\ | fail. |
| 18:42.22 | chops | dp\: Almost as if Debian isn't "brain dead", but generally works and does what it should be doing :-) |
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| 18:43.37 | Airbottle | hey, is it possible that a a modem or router or switch is the bottleneck of an internet connection? internet comes in via a modem (alcatel speedtouch) than it goes to a router and thereafter to a switch, and from the swich and router to 10computers. The symptoms are that the internetconnection from time to time halts, when a website is loading it is fast, but sometimes it takes some time to start loading, like that the connection is removed for 5 seconds. |
| 18:43.45 | Airbottle | quite ennoying problem actually |
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| 18:45.06 | jim | Airbottle: does this when you start a request? |
| 18:46.31 | Airbottle | when i go to a website in firefox i have this gray screen for some time several seconds to a minute, but when it actually starts loading, its fast enough |
| 18:47.00 | dirk_ | jim, building has gone wrong..... |
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| 18:47.50 | dirk_ | jim, I think there something wrong with the file |
| 18:48.30 | SerajewelKS | anyone want to enlighten me as to why the hell the ssb module is being inserted at boot when i've blacklisted it? |
| 18:48.55 | jim | what went wrong? can you find the line with the actual error on it? |
| 18:50.05 | SerajewelKS | here's what's happening |
| 18:50.13 | dirk_ | jim, http://paste.debian.net/52644 |
| 18:50.15 | SerajewelKS | kernel boots, ssb and b43legacy are inserted |
| 18:50.39 | SerajewelKS | b43legacy fucks up the network interface, giving me an inoperable eth2 and wlan0_rename |
| 18:51.12 | dirk_ | jim, http://paste.debian.net/52645 |
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| 18:51.31 | SerajewelKS | so i blacklist b43legacy and ssb. i boot again, and ssb is inserted but b43legacy is not. removing ssb and modprobing ndiswrapper results in a dead interface, *unless* i first modprobe b43legacy and then remove it |
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| 18:51.47 | jim | /home/dirk/mscore/mscore-0.9.1d+dfsg/mscore/mscore/fluid.h:28:24: error: fluidsynth.h: Bestand of map bestaat niet |
| 18:52.08 | jim | that's line 5 |
| 18:52.12 | SerajewelKS | so -- how the hell do i tell the system that under no circumstances is it to try to insert ssb? apparently blacklisting does not do this. |
| 18:52.13 | jim | what's it mean? |
| 18:52.22 | dirk_ | file or folder doen't exist |
| 18:52.24 | dirk_ | jim |
| 18:52.49 | xsdg | chops, blubberdiblub, jim: so, it turns out the problem is fixed in the most recent version of aptitude (I was at 0.4.10-1+b1 and upgraded to aptitude_0.4.11.1-1) |
| 18:52.54 | denken | Airbottle: i suspect dns |
| 18:52.58 | chops | xsdg: Rockin' |
| 18:53.11 | dirk_ | but i was also trying to install the package from source (tar.gz) and that gave the same errors |
| 18:53.29 | Airbottle | is there something to do about it? choose another dns on different computers? |
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| 18:53.51 | denken | Airbottle: i would start by checking it first. see if that is even the problem. |
| 18:54.00 | jim | dirk_: ok, when you build packages (or any source), sometimes the building of it needs certain stuff installed |
| 18:54.31 | dirk_ | jim, is it also possible to build the same way 'we' did now with a svn version? |
| 18:54.41 | Airbottle | ok, i dont really know how to check it. i'll have a google |
| 18:54.43 | blubberdiblub | xsdg: i'm on 0.4.10-1+b2, so i'm unsure what the status is for me, but since i do many stuff manually, it's not really high priority for me to upgrade ;) |
| 18:54.52 | cr3 | why the heck does debconf-show return nothing when called from the postinst script of a package!? some variables were set for the package in the config script but I can't seem to access them conveniently from the postinst script :( |
| 18:54.53 | jim | that error indicates a header file, fluidsynth.h is not present and so something needs to be installed |
| 18:54.58 | jim | you're not getting it |
| 18:55.01 | chops | xsdg: Bizarre -- I reproduced the behavior I thought you were describing in 0.4.11.1-1 |
| 18:55.12 | xsdg | chops: actually, yeah, I just ran into it again |
| 18:55.12 | xsdg | . |
| 18:55.13 | jim | is there something that can explain build dependencies |
| 18:55.20 | xsdg | grr, silly zephyr |
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| 18:55.49 | jim | dirk_, what language is that written in? |
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| 18:56.06 | dirk_ | jim, suggestions where i can find that about dependencies? (dutch) |
| 18:56.37 | jim | you could try: apt-get build-dep (that package) |
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| 18:57.32 | jim | you could try: apt-get build-dep mscore |
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| 18:58.02 | bkw | iwl3945 how do I get that support on etch? |
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| 18:58.40 | dirk_ | jim , E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:58.46 | Airbottle | denken: can you give me a hint how i check dns for problems? |
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| 19:00.15 | dirk_ | jim, I think I give up... |
| 19:00.22 | chops | dirk_: aptitude update |
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| 19:01.09 | dirk_ | chops, why? |
| 19:01.26 | chops | dirk_: Read the aptitude docs to find out why :-) |
| 19:01.29 | foobar8 | hi! i am trying to get xen working on lenny - after reading #466492 i am confused - which kernel should one use as dom0 kernel? |
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| 19:01.38 | johnseb | hi |
| 19:01.48 | chops | dirk_: Or just trust me that it is the first thing to try to fix that problem, and let me know if it doesn't work |
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| 19:02.04 | jelly | SerajewelKS: does ssb load from initrd or from the normal system? You might have to update initramfs if it's the former |
| 19:02.06 | johnseb | i am trying to get an audigy soundcard working on my debian |
| 19:02.28 | dirk_ | chops, I don't know why but i already runned aptitude update... so I guess I trust you |
| 19:02.35 | johnseb | i have the proper drivers but when i run alsaconf i don't see the card |
| 19:02.35 | dirk_ | ;) |
| 19:02.48 | chops | dirk_: Have you run it since you added or changed a deb-src line? |
| 19:02.59 | chops | dirk_: If you have your trust may be misplaced :-) |
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| 19:03.12 | chops | dirk_: But you should always run it after changing sources.list |
| 19:03.18 | jelly | SerajewelKS: tbh I don't know whether update-initramfs uses and honors blacklist lines from /etc/modprobe.d, I only hope so |
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| 19:03.32 | stew | foobar8: which cpu do you have? |
| 19:03.52 | dirk_ | chops, are your sure you're helping the right person? |
| 19:03.56 | foobar8 | stew: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 (no VT) |
| 19:04.17 | stew | foobar8: then linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-686 for 32 bit or linux-image-2.6.18-4-xen-amd64 for 64 bit |
| 19:04.31 | chops | dirk_: You pasted an error message from apt-get, failing to get build dependencies |
| 19:04.45 | foobar8 | stew: any why not linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686? |
| 19:04.55 | chops | dirk_: That looks to me like a failure to run 'aptitude update' after adding a deb-src line |
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| 19:05.14 | stew | foobar8: oh, i didn't know that one existed now |
| 19:05.31 | dirk_ | chops, I was trying to build a package... |
| 19:05.57 | stew | foobar8: actually yeah, looking at that bug, it sounds like the 2.6.24 wouldn't work |
| 19:06.03 | foobar8 | stew: #466492 says it will not work - and "Yes, if someone is familiar with xen then it'll be |
| 19:06.05 | foobar8 | obvious" |
| 19:06.05 | chops | dirk_: If you don't want help with the 'apt-get build-dep' failures, don't paste them into #debian :-) |
| 19:06.16 | foobar8 | stew: but for me it is not obvious |
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| 19:06.29 | dirk_ | chops, I like your help... |
| 19:06.36 | chops | dirk_: Heh |
| 19:06.39 | foobar8 | stew: simply still buggy? |
| 19:06.39 | dirk_ | chops, if it helps :) |
| 19:06.45 | chops | dirk_: Indeed |
| 19:06.51 | stew | foobar8: i don't know. ask #debian-xen on irc.debian.org |
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| 19:06.57 | chops | dirk_: As always, I could be 100% wrong about all of this |
| 19:06.58 | foobar8 | stew: thanks |
| 19:07.09 | dirk_ | chops, I did aptitude update |
| 19:07.28 | denken | Airbottle: just do a manual query first... dig google.com |
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| 19:07.36 | denken | Airbottle: see how long that takes, and what result it returns |
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| 19:09.08 | pgpkeys | whoa, there's a denken here? quick put it in a cage! |
| 19:09.40 | Airbottle | around 30-60 ms |
| 19:12.07 | bolt | ahh. i love it when i can tell windows who's right. "this storage device can't be stopped right now" |
| 19:12.09 | bolt | oh yeah? |
| 19:12.15 | bolt | pulls his usb stick out |
| 19:12.16 | denken | pgpkeys: i get around |
| 19:12.16 | bolt | :D |
| 19:12.31 | pgpkeys | denken: you? never |
| 19:12.39 | denken | well once i did |
| 19:12.41 | chops | bolt: Linux will do the same thing (refuse to unmount a busy filesystem), FWIW |
| 19:13.05 | bolt | chops: yep, but not when all the programs using it is shut down |
| 19:13.06 | pgpkeys | which usually means something is still open. ripping it out is a Bad Idea(Tm) |
| 19:13.22 | bolt | chops: even the sysinternals file usage tool thingy couldn't detect anything using the drive |
| 19:13.27 | SerajewelKS | jelly: i don't know what loads it |
| 19:13.27 | chops | bolt: True, and the lack of an lsof equivalent (that I know of) is a real PITA |
| 19:13.43 | bolt | chops: sysinternals has one |
| 19:13.46 | chops | bolt: s/lsof equivalent/working lsof equivalent/ :-) |
| 19:13.52 | pgpkeys | bolt: they may be shut down but it takes a minute or so to write everything back to the disk. I use thumbdrives every single day myself. it's annoying but you can get corrupted data if you just rip it out |
| 19:14.14 | bolt | pgpkeys: last thing i did was delete everything on it :) |
| 19:14.33 | bolt | worst case scenario, some files show up. |
| 19:14.34 | chops | pgpkeys: vfat is actually remarkably robust against corruption in my experience (nice legacy of floppy drives) |
| 19:15.21 | pgpkeys | chops: actually if it doesn't update the FT right.. say goodbye to a lot of files (in his case it doesn't matter as he removed it all) |
| 19:16.02 | pgpkeys | ok, i gotta concentrate. wordpress is fuckin up over here. grr |
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| 19:17.06 | suppaman | hello again |
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| 19:18.01 | suppaman | windows has overwritten bootloader, I have got and etch cd, I'm trying to just run "rescue root=/my/root ro" but it's still loading rd (and therefore installation) |
| 19:18.06 | suppaman | can I workaround this? |
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| 19:19.05 | kgoetz | suppaman: you have an etch install cd? use the'install grub' option. should work |
| 19:19.08 | chops | suppaman: Get a grub boot CD maybe |
| 19:19.09 | xsdg | stew: for future reference, it looks like it was libapr1. I upgraded that and things are good again (no segfaults) |
| 19:19.15 | cr3 | is there a way to list all debconf variables in a postinst script which were set by the config script? |
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| 19:19.25 | suppaman | chops: a grub boot cd ? |
| 19:19.25 | chops | suppaman: Or what kgoetz said, if you don't care about the bootloader Windows installed |
| 19:20.13 | suppaman | I don't |
| 19:20.13 | chops | suppaman: Hence the verb "get" :-) |
| 19:20.14 | cr3 | I tried debconf-show the_package but that returns nothing, probably because the package doesn't exist yet as of postinst |
| 19:20.14 | suppaman | I meant what's a grub boot cd |
| 19:20.24 | chops | suppaman: Google |
| 19:20.24 | suppaman | the point is I have the menu.lst I want to install on /dev/hda6 |
| 19:20.39 | suppaman | so I tought about just booting with the actual root fs and run grub-install |
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| 19:21.53 | suppaman | kgoetz: it starts the installation anyway |
| 19:22.18 | cr3 | is there a way to use debconf-communicate to retrieve multiple variables? |
| 19:23.41 | suppaman | so my question becomes: I've a fresh new etch system installed and an etch cd but no bootloader on hd, can I boot the system from hd using the etch cd ? |
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| 19:26.29 | xsdg | is anyone here using the Iceweasel 3 beta5 package (from experimental)? Do you have pixmaps, or do they seem to be all missing? |
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| 19:28.11 | knights | How do I tell the debian installer to load the aufs module? install .... |
| 19:28.21 | jaime | Tengo un problema para instalar la coneccion automatica de mi eth0 en un Debian testing |
| 19:28.21 | knights | load=aufs |
| 19:28.24 | knights | ? |
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| 19:28.37 | knights | install load=aufs |
| 19:28.40 | knights | ? |
| 19:28.50 | xsdg | jaime: #debian-es |
| 19:28.52 | knights | install aufs |
| 19:29.01 | knights | or what? |
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| 19:29.25 | EricBlair | post |
| 19:29.49 | EricBlair | stop? |
| 19:29.53 | knights | EricBlair: Any relation? |
| 19:30.06 | EricBlair | genetically? |
| 19:30.17 | knights | yes, closely? |
| 19:30.20 | EricBlair | no |
| 19:30.25 | knights | good! :D |
| 19:30.31 | EricBlair | heh. |
| 19:30.48 | EricBlair | which blair u hav in mind? Tony B.liar? |
| 19:30.51 | knights | anyway, any idea how I'd get deb inst. to load the aufs module? |
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| 19:31.07 | EricBlair | duno, ima xph guy |
| 19:31.19 | knights | an xp guy? |
| 19:31.36 | EricBlair | but my generic answ , if i may: google |
| 19:31.37 | knights | or a xerox parc guy? :) |
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| 19:32.00 | blubberdiblub | knights: is it only while running the installer? tried switching to one of the other virtual consoles and manually modprobing it? |
| 19:32.07 | EricBlair | i dont talk bout da parc thing. So, ima XP HOME guy |
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| 19:33.35 | knights | ok- just strange that you should even mention it being xp home, most people would just say xp or w32 or vixxx |
| 19:33.55 | EricBlair | fvk most ppL |
| 19:34.05 | knights | xpp |
| 19:34.10 | knights | hee hee |
| 19:34.22 | EricBlair | i bleev in specificity |
| 19:34.26 | ma3x_ | is debian-40-r3-i386-CD-1.iso enough for a basic (minimum installation) ? |
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| 19:35.24 | EricBlair | speakin of sleep... |
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| 19:36.18 | knights | blubberdiblub: yes, thats a good idea but I'd still like to know how to do it at the boot prompt |
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| 19:39.15 | Supaplex | how do I escape a $ in a makefile? I need a literal $. eg, egrep -o '[a-zA-Z]*://.*deb$' > ../$(DIST)-grub-mirrors.txt |
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| 19:40.23 | SparFux | Hey, mplayer says libdvdread cannot handle crypted dvds.! |
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| 19:47.26 | yigal | I was hoping someone here uses dd-wrt wireless connection and could help me make it less likely when I turn on the microwave to kill the wireless ? :) |
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| 19:49.25 | stew | SparFux: yes. debian doesn't include tools to read encrypted dvds, since there is no way for you to do that legally with free software |
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| 19:49.54 | SparFux | I am surfing on unofficial site. |
| 19:50.09 | SparFux | And am trying to install the gpg key for it :-) |
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| 19:50.45 | suppaman | now this is weird, I've created partition with the debian installer, then I installed windows xp (actually a recovery for Benq laptop) and now the installer doesn't even seen partitions, it says just "hda device" and asks for creating a new partition table |
| 19:51.09 | Ward1983 | does anyone know if a onscreen keyboard for the console exists? |
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| 19:51.14 | bringbackblastio | Hello anyone here want to make some money? |
| 19:51.33 | stew | bringbackblastio: do you have any debian related questions? if not, please move along |
| 19:51.41 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 19:51.55 | bringbackblastio | oh |
| 19:52.00 | bringbackblastio | Ok |
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| 19:57.58 | SparFux | And where to get the dvd playback plugins? |
| 19:59.11 | blubberdiblub | !marillat |
| 19:59.11 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 20:02.49 | Naib | Hi, I am trying to help someone that is having issues with QuakeWars on 64bit Debian-Sid. ldd isn't picking up: libx86.so.1. I am not a Debian user so was wondering since I don't have that on any of my 3 64bit systems (gentoo,arch,fedora) is this a lib that debian uses for 32bit-emul? |
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| 20:05.58 | drwahl | does anyone know if it is possible to setup 2 keybaords/mice/monitors to a single machine and have 2 users working at the same time? |
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| 20:06.33 | drwahl | from what i can see, it looks like in order to accomplish this, i would need to run 2 x sessions, but i am unfamiliar with that whole process |
| 20:06.58 | mbroeker | Naib, you need the 32bit package, called libx86-1 on lenny, maybe -2 on sid |
| 20:07.32 | Naib | mbroeker: ill report back to my mate thanks. I could setup 64bit sid in virtualbox to try, will see. |
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| 20:10.30 | suppaman | stew: btw everyone would like money for free |
| 20:10.40 | Naib | yes please |
| 20:10.40 | suppaman | Ward1983: what's a onscreen keyboard? |
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| 20:10.57 | suppaman | damn that damn windows killed me |
| 20:11.05 | suppaman | it's all so messy... |
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| 20:11.19 | Ward1983 | suppaman, its used a lot for touchscreen devices, but you can also click on the buttons on a regular pc |
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| 20:11.38 | Ward1983 | suppaman, there are several for x but i dunno any for the console |
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| 20:12.33 | suppaman | Ward1983: sure, I know what virtual keyboards are on pdas |
| 20:12.46 | mbroeker | suppaman, that's the reason why i deinstalled it sometimes: after 60 minutes of installation time, i was able to play solitair. after the same amount of time with a linux distro, i was able to play sokoban inside xemacs. I loved it :) |
| 20:12.56 | Ward1983 | suppaman, both terms are commonly used |
| 20:13.03 | suppaman | Ward1983: didn't tought about them on a computer tho' |
| 20:13.07 | Ward1983 | virtual and on screen |
| 20:13.15 | suppaman | btw if you're using a console you'd better have a physical keyboard |
| 20:13.24 | Ward1983 | suppaman, did i say i wanted to use them on a computer? |
| 20:13.25 | suppaman | mbroeker: not my computer actually I own an ibook |
| 20:13.38 | suppaman | Ward1983: you didn't actually, but I presumed |
| 20:14.03 | suppaman | mbroeker: osx/debian and they work like a charm |
| 20:14.05 | Ward1983 | suppaman, you thought right when you talked about PDAs ;p |
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| 20:14.17 | suppaman | Ward1983: are you using debian on pda ? |
| 20:14.29 | suppaman | I'd definitely take one of those Nokia N8xx |
| 20:14.32 | suppaman | damn cool |
| 20:14.40 | Ward1983 | suppaman, it has a usb host so i can just attach a usb keyboard, but it would be more convenient to use a on screen keyboard |
| 20:14.53 | Ward1983 | suppaman, yep debian indeed :) |
| 20:14.59 | suppaman | Ward1983: what device |
| 20:15.01 | suppaman | ? |
| 20:15.14 | Ward1983 | suppaman, pocket loox 720 |
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| 20:15.34 | Ward1983 | (PXA272 520Mhz and 128MB RAM) |
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| 20:16.04 | Rapp | how can i see the dependencies for a package? |
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| 20:16.21 | suppaman | toshiba? |
| 20:16.26 | Ward1983 | Rapp, in synaptic you can use right click, should you use it |
| 20:16.28 | suppaman | Rapp: apt-cache show |
| 20:16.29 | Bushmills | Rapp: apt-cache depends package |
| 20:16.38 | suppaman | how concise :-) |
| 20:17.03 | Ward1983 | suppaman, toshiba? lol fujitsu siemens you'll mean |
| 20:17.15 | Ward1983 | the loox |
| 20:17.17 | Rapp | thanlks everyone!!! |
| 20:17.24 | suppaman | couldn't remember |
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| 20:17.49 | Ward1983 | it currently runs fluxbox :) |
| 20:18.00 | Bushmills | suppaman: caffeine is said to help |
| 20:18.12 | chtp | hi folks. how can i change the hostname of a running system. i changed /etc/hostname, but 'hostname --fqdn' tells me "hostname: Unknown host". |
| 20:18.47 | chops | !hostname |
| 20:18.47 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 20:18.56 | suppaman | turning back on my question what the hell could be happened? I installed etch creating 3 partitions in the table, there was already a 2gb partition Benq uses as "recovery", then I installed with the benq disk and debian installer doesn't see anymore the partition table and wants to create a new one on the whole 60gb disk |
| 20:19.12 | SL | I am missing a package in debian which is libgtkglextmm. Is there any reason why it isnt available as a package? |
| 20:19.21 | suppaman | Bushmills: "Caffeine is not a substitute for sleep. " - Aaron Hillegass |
| 20:19.43 | chops | SL: Because it was removed after sarge? |
| 20:19.59 | Bushmills | suppaman: oh, i said you could't remember. caffeine is under suspicion to boost memory |
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| 20:23.12 | SL | chops, yes of course, but what was the reason for the removal? I think there are at least some people who would be happy to have a package available. |
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| 20:24.17 | drwahl | is anyone familiar with the possiblity of multiseating in debian and/or somewhere i could go to research it? |
| 20:24.26 | master_of_master | hi, how can I check how many inodes on a ext3 fs are used? |
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| 20:26.08 | Tramp | master_of_master: df -i |
| 20:26.41 | chops | SL: It was removed because it was unmaintained and buggy (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=349254) |
| 20:26.56 | chops | SL: Unmaintained by the Debian maintainer that is |
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| 20:28.12 | chops | SL: It's probably true that it would still be useful for some subset of Debian users, but no one stepped up to maintain it |
| 20:28.17 | thedonvaughn | drwahl: http://blog.theneb.co.uk/node/1 |
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| 20:33.20 | drwahl | thedonvaughn: thanks |
| 20:33.30 | SL | chops, so there is actually no package of it because nobody is ready maintaining it? |
| 20:33.49 | chops | SL: That's one reason; I won't swear that there are not other reasons |
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| 20:38.05 | SL | chops, I made a package of it for my own use. Maybe I could maintain that package? where do I start? |
| 20:38.30 | chops | !nmg |
| 20:38.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
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| 20:39.23 | vsd | sid is unstable? |
| 20:39.28 | SparFux | Yes. |
| 20:39.32 | vsd | what kernel ? |
| 20:39.43 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6 sid |
| 20:39.47 | vsd | and lenny testing right? |
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| 20:39.53 | chops | vsd: Correct |
| 20:39.55 | vsd | i need the kernel for that too |
| 20:40.08 | N1ghtCrawler | Can i post a really long question here? |
| 20:40.12 | vsd | !info linux-image-2.6 sid |
| 20:40.26 | SparFux | Well, I cannot play dvd. I use multimedia.org. |
| 20:40.57 | vsd | !info linux-2.6 sid |
| 20:41.05 | vsd | damn |
| 20:41.09 | SparFux | hehe |
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| 20:41.12 | chops | vsd: Argh, siorry |
| 20:41.17 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:41.21 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.24+13 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 20:41.33 | SL | chops, well I think, maintaing the package by a sponsor would be nice |
| 20:41.49 | chops | SL: It would be |
| 20:41.55 | vsd | chops: thanks:) can you tell me about lenny too? |
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| 20:42.02 | chops | SL: Especially if you're making it already for your own local use :-) |
| 20:42.08 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 lenny |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.24+13 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 20:42.35 | vsd | wtf? both have the same kernel? |
| 20:42.50 | chops | vsd: Not unusual |
| 20:43.10 | N1ghtCrawler | Hold your hats now, caus here comes a long one: |
| 20:43.11 | N1ghtCrawler | Hello, I am working on a multiboot cd to have de option to install multiple OSes from the same cd/dvd. Currently I am testing with debian and Ubuntu (alternate) on the cd. I have managed to start the installer but when it's about to mount the cd it fails. I think its becaus I have changed the catalog strukture on the cd, istead of having the content of debian install cd on the cdroot, I have it in /debian |
| 20:43.17 | N1ghtCrawler | Does anyone knows how to make this work or have any hint whats going wrong? |
| 20:43.19 | N1ghtCrawler | I have not been able to mount the initrd.gz to look how it's looking there. When I user "mount -t ext2" i get "bad superblock" or something like that. Is it anything worth to see in there that can help my problem? |
| 20:43.22 | vsd | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 20:43.28 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
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| 20:43.45 | vsd | k thanks chops |
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| 20:44.19 | chops | vsd: np |
| 20:44.27 | SL | chops, how do I find a sponor? |
| 20:44.41 | chops | SL: It's in the docs I sent you, certainly |
| 20:44.48 | SL | oh ok |
| 20:44.51 | Matson | can anyone recommend someone who can build and supply a 1U or 2U machine with a lot of storage, RAID support and Debian? |
| 20:45.04 | karsten | How do you get kwalletmanager to appear as a regular app when you're not running KDE as your DE? |
| 20:45.10 | karsten | runs wmaker, of course. |
| 20:45.13 | chops | SL: I could search through the docs for you, and then point you to it... but asking me to do that would not be a ringing endorsement of your enthusiasm to volunteer to contribute your labor to the Debian project :-) |
| 20:45.32 | Matson | Looking for 2-4 TB or more of drives, hot swappable |
| 20:46.11 | chops | Matson: For that much storage you may want to look at an external disk array (iSCSI or FC or whatever) |
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| 20:46.54 | Matson | chops: what is FC? |
| 20:47.01 | Matson | fibre channel? |
| 20:47.05 | chops | Matson: I've got a Dell server with 1.5 TB of internal storage, and an external iSCSI array with 3 TB more. I would recommend going with a supplier other than Dell, though (though this solution is working fine for me). I would expect 4 TB of internal storage to become unwieldy |
| 20:47.08 | chops | Matson: Correct |
| 20:47.21 | vsd | where can i dl lenny from? |
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| 20:48.00 | chops | vsd: Surely google can help you there |
| 20:48.09 | Matson | so how much storage can I reasonably get per machine? |
| 20:48.19 | chops | Matson: Depends how big a machine :-) |
| 20:48.47 | Matson | "become unwieldy" for the OS? or simply managing that much on disks? |
| 20:49.05 | Matson | I've never really run a machine with that much drive space |
| 20:49.13 | chops | Matson: The 2U Dell server I got came with 6 internal drive bays; 500 GB SATA was as big as they would go for the drives at that time, so I have a 2-disk 80GB RAID1 array as /, and a 4-disk 1.5TB RAID5 array as the big storage |
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| 20:49.34 | Matson | and not sure if it makes sense to start doing racks of 1U machines, each with 1TB or larger machines with external storage |
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| 20:49.50 | chops | Matson: Meaning that trying to accommodate the assload of disks inside will dominate the problems you have to solve in configuring the machine physically. |
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| 20:50.02 | Matson | k |
| 20:50.20 | Matson | luckily there are drives now that are 1TB each |
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| 20:50.37 | Matson | and getting a machine with a 6 or 8 drive raid seems pretty common |
| 20:50.42 | chops | Matson: Probably not ones that are supported by Dell for use with their internal RAID cards (one among a handful of reasons I do not recommend Dell) |
| 20:50.44 | Matson | just don't know how well they work |
| 20:51.10 | chops | If you can configure a server with enough drives, and big enough, to fit 4 TB inside, that's going to be much cheaper than an external disk array |
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| 20:54.54 | Matson | chops: other than dell, any other vendor you can rec? |
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| 20:56.31 | synic | anyone know how to monitor adaptec raid controllers from the command line? |
| 20:57.53 | chops | Matson: I've heard good things about HP, though that's only hearsay |
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| 20:58.07 | chops | Matson: IBM is generally nice but also generally more expensive |
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| 20:58.16 | jpcooper | hello |
| 20:58.24 | jpcooper | to install Debian, do I only need CD1 of testing? |
| 20:59.12 | amphi | jpcooper: or just the netinstall iso |
| 20:59.34 | jpcooper | amphi: ok |
| 20:59.47 | amphi | jpcooper: assuming you have a supported NIC |
| 21:00.12 | amphi | jpcooper: the netinstall iso is ~120MB IIRC |
| 21:00.15 | jpcooper | yes |
| 21:00.19 | whit0r | hey guys. |
| 21:00.29 | jpcooper | amphi: does netinst support wireless? |
| 21:00.33 | flea | is the ubuntu kernel command options different than debian ones? |
| 21:00.42 | whit0r | While running irssi under a screen session and viewing that session by using screen -x, I get the following weird behavior: |
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| 21:00.43 | amphi | jpcooper: no, at least few cards, if any |
| 21:00.45 | whit0r | In any new queries towards me (new irssi window opens up), I'm not able to see any text, while I can view the query window just fine.It's just comes up empty. |
| 21:00.49 | amphi | jpcooper: AFAIK |
| 21:00.49 | flea | i'm trying to force sym53c8xx to not load at boot |
| 21:00.52 | whit0r | In the original screen, everything looks ok. I'm using debian testing, and a friend confirmed that he is having the same problem... any ideas? |
| 21:01.04 | jpcooper | amphi: right, I'll just get my ethernet cable out :) |
| 21:01.51 | amphi | jpcooper: that's what I do |
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| 21:02.14 | peleg | bash scripting - suppose I get a parameter which is a filename. how can I extract the basename+extension from it? |
| 21:02.27 | chops | whit0r: Sounds like it might be a problem related to terminal settings or encodings |
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| 21:02.49 | chops | whit0r: You might try 'printenv > /tmp/one' from outside a screen session, 'printenv > /tmp/two' from inside a screen session, and compare the two to see what jumps out at you |
| 21:02.58 | whit0r | hmm |
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| 21:03.32 | whit0r | I doubt that its a terminal problem though, don't think my friend is using the same terminal as me... |
| 21:03.37 | whit0r | let me see.. |
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| 21:04.49 | vallhalla | just a quick question about installing DebIan do i need to download all of the cd iso's or jus the first 1 for amd64 install |
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| 21:07.13 | whit0r | chops, the only thing that seems different to me is a value "TERMCAP" which conatins some weird stuff in it |
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| 21:07.21 | whit0r | oh and the TERM=vt100 TERM=screen |
| 21:07.33 | whit0r | My friend is using xterm, i'm using xfce-terminal |
| 21:07.35 | chops | whit0r: Oh and that :-) |
| 21:08.09 | chops | whit0r: I would expect that that's the culprit; I have no idea if it's irssi or screen that's to blame or whether there's any workaround though |
| 21:08.27 | whit0r | chops, what do you mean by that, because don't exactly know much about this stuff :P (damn manual is big) |
| 21:08.32 | whit0r | oh. |
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| 21:08.40 | whit0r | any ideas i could try out? :p |
| 21:08.49 | chops | whit0r: I mean it sounds to me like a bug in one or the other |
| 21:09.00 | chops | whit0r: Or possibly in some ncurses-related library |
| 21:09.03 | whit0r | btw, I've been using that setup for like months but not in debian...without a hitch:( |
| 21:09.04 | chops | whit0r: You could file a bug :-) |
| 21:09.47 | whit0r | hmm, ok ... but should i file it under ncurses/screen or something else? :P |
| 21:10.20 | whit0r | I'm new .. i've never filed a bug before. |
| 21:11.06 | chops | whit0r: I would file it against screen; the maintainer may be able to sort it out enough to direct it appropriately |
| 21:11.35 | whit0r | really funny and annoying bug. |
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| 21:11.59 | chops | whit0r: Noting that it works in a non-Debian setup (and including the information about TERM and TERMCAP), and the versions of all software involved in both setups, will also be helpful |
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| 21:12.40 | karsten | How do I invoke the system tray *outside* of KDE? |
| 21:13.31 | whit0r | chops, guess so. thnx. |
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| 21:13.40 | chops | whit0r: np |
| 21:13.43 | suppaman | karsten: what do you mean? |
| 21:14.02 | suppaman | karsten: or better what "invoking the system tray" means? |
| 21:15.48 | flea | karsten, you want kpanel ? |
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| 21:16.29 | karsten | suppaman: Invoking the KDE system tray. |
| 21:16.35 | karsten | suppaman: ... when I'm not running KDE> |
| 21:16.48 | whit0r | chops, this is interesting...i found a workaround |
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| 21:16.56 | chops | whit0r: What's the workaround? |
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| 21:17.08 | whit0r | using screen -x -O |
| 21:17.15 | chops | whit0r: Interesting |
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| 21:17.29 | megasquid | can anyone explain VIRT on top - i read some posts and man, but don't quite get it |
| 21:17.31 | whit0r | -O Choose optimal output rather than exact vt100 emulation. |
| 21:17.42 | whit0r | So it may just be , a VT100 emulation problem or something. |
| 21:17.44 | chops | whit0r: Ah, that's very interesting. |
| 21:17.45 | flea | karsten: /usr/bin/kicker ? |
| 21:17.48 | chops | whit0r: nod |
| 21:18.56 | whit0r | chops, so it may even not be a bug after all, perhaps an ncurse-vt100 compatibility issue? :P |
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| 21:19.33 | chops | whit0r: Calling it an "issue" doesn't mean it's not a bug :-) |
| 21:19.43 | chops | whit0r: Even if it's one that's not worth fixing or is hard to fix or what-have-you |
| 21:20.05 | karsten | dcop kwalletmanager kwalletmanager-mainwindow#1 'show()' |
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| 21:20.33 | Ward1983 | does anyone know if a onscreen keyboard for the console exists? |
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| 21:20.43 | suppaman | Ward1983: :-) |
| 21:21.08 | suppaman | Ward1983: in fb? |
| 21:21.25 | Ward1983 | suppaman, without a graphical environment |
| 21:21.32 | suppaman | ? |
| 21:21.54 | Ward1983 | the thing you're in if you wouldnt do startx |
| 21:22.05 | Ward1983 | of if you press ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 21:22.17 | suppaman | are you using framebuffer? |
| 21:22.48 | peleg | can I use gawk to execute bash commands? |
| 21:22.58 | suppaman | I'd bet if a solution exists it'd be in framebuffer mode |
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| 21:23.14 | peleg | for example, instead of '{print $1}', do something like '{rm $1}' .. |
| 21:23.21 | Ward1983 | yes but i only half know what it is |
| 21:23.40 | suppaman | Ward1983: and what you tried to refer is just "X Window System" |
| 21:23.44 | chops | peleg: You can with: awk '/whatever/ {print $1;}' | xargs rm |
| 21:24.10 | peleg | chops: thanks... what is xargs ? |
| 21:24.39 | suppaman | peleg: I don't think that "print" is a command executed but an awk instruction |
| 21:24.52 | Ward1983 | suppaman, ... i mean the opposite ! |
| 21:24.55 | Ward1983 | ffs |
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| 21:25.24 | peleg | suppaman: I know. that's why I ask IF awk can execute bash commands. |
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| 21:26.04 | lontra | hi i have two questions ... how can i have a module loaded at boot time that i currently have to do insmod eee.ko to get loaded? |
| 21:26.18 | lontra | 2nd, what's the gnome lock screen command called? |
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| 21:26.45 | chops | lontra: Add to /etc/modules |
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| 21:27.15 | chops | peleg: xargs is the thing that executes bash commands from printed output :-) |
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| 21:27.18 | chops | peleg: man xargs |
| 21:27.20 | lontra | chops, that's it? don't i need to cp eee.ko to somewhere first? |
| 21:27.33 | chops | lontra: You have to put it into /lib/modules/whatever and run depmod |
| 21:27.50 | chops | lontra: I would recommend /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/local/ as a place for it; there may be some other standard place |
| 21:28.02 | lontra | ok |
| 21:28.04 | zyx386 | hi what is best ppp client for HuaWei E220 usb modem on debian? |
| 21:28.17 | chops | zyx386: ppp probably |
| 21:28.19 | peleg | chops: your xargs rm soulution will have all of the input on one line. do you think xargs can make many executions, that differ by newline ? |
| 21:28.53 | zyx386 | chops, is .deb available to download?0 |
| 21:28.54 | testing55 | hey i ned ot install widnwos |
| 21:29.05 | testing55 | but i dont want it to overrite my boot record |
| 21:29.05 | chops | peleg: xargs -L 1 |
| 21:29.11 | chops | zyx386: Yes, it is |
| 21:29.11 | peleg | thanks! |
| 21:29.16 | testing55 | how cna ido this ? |
| 21:29.18 | lontra | chops, it's ok to have to create local? |
| 21:29.21 | chops | peleg: np |
| 21:29.24 | chops | lontra: Yep |
| 21:29.28 | lontra | chops, thanks |
| 21:29.32 | chops | lontra: np |
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| 21:30.34 | jedi1 | hi |
| 21:30.40 | testing55 | how cna i rewrite my MBR ? |
| 21:30.40 | whit0r | chops, think this will do?: https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?22835 |
| 21:30.51 | zyx386 | chops, i use on ubuntu gnome-ppp but on debian function not because fond't the modem |
| 21:30.59 | zyx386 | i try yours |
| 21:31.34 | flea | testing install windows on your partition.... |
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| 21:31.53 | flea | testing55: then livecd boot, chroot to your install of linux, then just run grub |
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| 21:32.12 | testing55 | flea, do i have ot do it manually ? |
| 21:32.23 | testing55 | flea, or will gub do it for me ? |
| 21:32.27 | chops | whit0r: Might be good to mention the other system where it works properly |
| 21:32.32 | jedi1 | testing55 supergrubdisk is also a nice toool to do it |
| 21:32.49 | whit0r | chops, that was like moths ago on a system long deleted :( :P |
| 21:32.51 | chops | whit0r: Also, I would by habit file it in the Debian BTS, though filing it in screen's bug tracker sounds fine too |
| 21:32.55 | whit0r | monhts* |
| 21:32.58 | flea | testing55: refer here http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/ |
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| 21:33.17 | peleg | bash test | gawk '{ print $1 }' test.tables or so will do the work, I guess... |
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| 21:34.15 | zyx386 | chops, can you tell me who is the ppp probably as .deb? |
| 21:34.36 | flea | testing55: i may be wrong as i havent done this in years... but |
| 21:34.53 | flea | testing55: if you chroot to your install... i dont think you have to pass the extra params |
| 21:35.19 | testing55 | ive never setup gruab flea |
| 21:35.23 | suppaman | flea: I had the same problem a few hours ago, can't I use the hd partition as root partition rather than chrooting? |
| 21:35.25 | chops | zyx386: aptitude install ppp |
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| 21:35.32 | testing55 | flea, just lilo |
| 21:35.35 | chops | gtg, bye |
| 21:35.59 | flea | suppaman: if u chroot, you will be using your already existing grub settings |
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| 21:36.03 | jedi1 | did anyone read Advanced Programming in the UNIX environment by W. Richard Stevens? |
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| 21:36.30 | zyx386 | can every one tell me, how can conect to internet with huawei e220 usb modem with APN? |
| 21:36.52 | peterius | all at once? |
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| 21:37.13 | suppaman | flea: sure but I want to actually boot from the installed system |
| 21:37.29 | flea | suppaman: thats up to you and your menu.lst |
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| 21:38.46 | zyx386 | ? :( |
| 21:38.52 | jedi1 | peterius I assume this was to me, I'm asking because I think about buying the book, but I'm not sure if it's worth it |
| 21:39.04 | jedi1 | not a cheap one it is |
| 21:39.07 | peterius | actually it was to zyx386 |
| 21:39.15 | jedi1 | oh ;) |
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| 21:39.17 | peterius | but you should never buy books |
| 21:39.19 | PleXuS | hi all |
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| 21:39.41 | zyx386 | peterius, what you mean? |
| 21:39.48 | PleXuS | anyone can say me whats the best tool/soft to use on debian linux to make use of virtual machines (win/linux/...) |
| 21:40.06 | PleXuS | i was using vmware server but had troubles with kernel update :| |
| 21:40.11 | jedi1 | PleXuS, virtual box |
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| 21:40.31 | SlimeyPete | yeah, VirtualBox is good |
| 21:40.39 | SlimeyPete | failing that, qemu or vmware |
| 21:40.39 | PleXuS | jedi1, can i use vmware images in virtualbox? |
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| 21:41.04 | jedi1 | no idea PleXuS, but I guess you can't |
| 21:41.29 | peterius | zyx386: sorry, it was a bad joke... you said "can every one tell me, how can conect to internet with huawei e220 usb modem with APN?", not "can anyone" so I said "all at once", like we should all tell you, everyone at once |
| 21:41.34 | flea | in the past i've dd'd a windows drive and pushed it thru Bochs emu :/ |
| 21:41.49 | jedi1 | PleXuS, http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?t=104 |
| 21:41.54 | zyx386 | eha ok |
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| 21:42.23 | PleXuS | jedi1, do it also make use of multi core cpu stuff? |
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| 21:43.42 | jedi1 | I don't know PleXuS, check out their site |
| 21:43.59 | PleXuS | jedi1, watching it :) |
| 21:44.22 | PleXuS | jedi1, maybe any idea if i could run mac osx in such virtual machine? :) should be nice if it could :) |
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| 21:46.18 | jedi1 | PleXuS, I don't see it on the list of OS types, but it might work |
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| 21:47.29 | PleXuS | jedi1, stupid qwestion maybe.. but can virtualbox work remote like vmware server? |
| 21:47.42 | PleXuS | can't find it on there site :| |
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| 21:48.01 | jaggy- | anyone know how to 'get flagged messages' / 'get selected messages' in icedove? |
| 21:48.16 | jedi1 | no idea PleXuS sorry |
| 21:48.41 | PleXuS | jedi1, yeah i do it it seems.. over the RDP protocol.. nice :) |
| 21:48.50 | PleXuS | just found it on there site :) |
| 21:48.53 | S4nD3r | Just a question.... To use webcam, I need to install v4l right?! |
| 21:49.02 | zyx386 | how can i update my python to 2.5 |
| 21:49.34 | jedi1 | PleXuS, people on ubuntu forums say that mac os won't run on vbox |
| 21:49.41 | S4nD3r | gspca-modules, I think! |
| 21:49.51 | PleXuS | jedi1, last qwestion.. do it need kernel modification ? to run it |
| 21:50.14 | jedi1 | PleXuS, just a kernel module as far as i know |
| 21:50.17 | PleXuS | jedil, only one that can is vmware fusion i think |
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| 21:50.35 | PleXuS | jedi1, then i maybe run into the same problem as vmware :| |
| 21:50.44 | zyx386 | ? |
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| 21:51.15 | dcsimon | unless something is diff in the new version of Vbox, OSX will not run, I've tried it. |
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| 21:51.43 | S4nD3r | Theres no gspca-module in lenny for k7, what to do ?? |
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| 21:51.56 | PleXuS | dcsimon, the gui won't work becoz of missing gfx driver support for vbox i think |
| 21:52.10 | S4nD3r | My kernel : Linux matrix 2.6.22-3-k7 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 09:12:50 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:53.15 | S4nD3r | I have AMD semprom processor |
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| 21:53.16 | jedi1 | S4nD3r, compile it from sources or try sid maybe? |
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| 21:53.29 | hark | S4nD3r: either use module-assistant or upgrade your kernel |
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| 21:53.39 | evilgeek | do there still exist woody repositories? |
| 21:54.02 | hark | evilgeek: yes. /msg dpkg archive |
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| 21:54.32 | S4nD3r | upgrade? |
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| 21:54.44 | S4nD3r | Theres no available to my processor |
| 21:54.56 | valdyn | !confuse S4nD3r |
| 21:54.56 | dpkg | No, those was your gerbil tomorrow, S4nD3r? shirts of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cream |
| 21:55.23 | hark | S4nD3r: there is no longer a k7 kernel now, use the 686 one |
| 21:55.36 | S4nD3r | ummm... ok then |
| 21:55.42 | S4nD3r | I will try it later! |
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| 21:55.54 | S4nD3r | I trying module-assistant right now |
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| 21:56.01 | peterius | how does gnome know about programs and icons that I compiled and installed from source? is that some prearranged agreement? |
| 21:56.21 | valdyn | peterius: why dont you ask what exactly you are seeing? |
| 21:56.25 | valdyn | peterius: why dont you ask about what exactly you are seeing? |
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| 21:57.07 | peterius | I click on edit menus, and one of the choices for icons is an app I just installed |
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| 21:57.22 | peterius | its not in the application menu right now, but I assume it will be if I reload the menus or restart the window manager or something |
| 21:57.24 | peterius | so how? |
| 21:57.40 | valdyn | peterius: theres standard locations where the files that represent those "icons" are put |
| 21:57.42 | peterius | I guess there's a common directory for icons for menus that the app I installed knows about |
| 21:57.50 | peterius | but its weird, I mean, nothing ever just works with linux |
| 21:58.15 | dcsimon | peterius: once you set it up it does |
| 21:58.19 | valdyn | peterius: do you want to whine or do you want to get support? |
| 21:58.19 | dcsimon | ;-) |
| 21:58.38 | peterius | valdyn: neither |
| 21:58.45 | peterius | I didn't set it up, so why is it working |
| 21:58.49 | peterius | its just lucky I guess |
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| 21:59.15 | dcsimon | peterius: luck doesn't exist in the digital domain |
| 21:59.27 | jedi1 | peterius, it often happens, gnome probably looks for it in standard path and then checks some /usr/share or something for icons |
| 21:59.40 | vsd | i just did a debian install but forgot to include the laptop pkg collection from the cd |
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| 21:59.49 | vsd | can i install it later/ |
| 21:59.50 | debian | Hello |
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| 21:59.55 | valdyn | it will check freedesktop.org standards and its own |
| 21:59.55 | vsd | if yes how? |
| 21:59.58 | peterius | jedil: well I just find that very impressive, that two different pieces of open source software use the same standard directory for icons |
| 22:00.01 | karrotx__ | how can i determine how much memory is actually being used? |
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| 22:00.02 | debian | What is the dyndns command? to update the dns thing? |
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| 22:00.14 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 22:00.14 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 22:00.33 | hark | vsd: run tasksel |
| 22:01.09 | devsforev | Good evening everyone. I think one of my hard drive just died. I can't mount its partitions, and dmesg is filling up with Bufferd I/O errors. Anyone have advice on last ditch efforts to bring this around? |
| 22:01.13 | jedi1 | peterius, it's just that there are standard directories like /usr/share/games for example in linux, and so software should use them |
| 22:01.26 | peterius | claps |
| 22:01.30 | valdyn | devsforev: did you poweroff and restart and that does not fix it? |
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| 22:01.48 | devsforev | valdyn: i've restarted the machine a few times; should i cold-boot it? |
| 22:02.07 | valdyn | devsforev: you have to, if you want to fix a "crashed" harddisk firmware |
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| 22:02.27 | valdyn | devsforev: but that will obviously only help if the disk isnt physically broken |
| 22:02.32 | vsd | hark: thanks |
| 22:02.39 | vsd | how can i see which pkgs it installed? |
| 22:02.43 | devsforev | valdyn: thanks a bunch; i'll give that a go. Should i keep it powered down for a few minutes or just a quick on/off? |
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| 22:03.05 | valdyn | devsforev: just a quick on/off, mind, doing this really quick is bad for your hardware |
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| 22:03.28 | hark | vsd: man tasksel; tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 22:03.29 | devsforev | valdyn: i'll give this a go and let you know the results |
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| 22:07.50 | devsforev | valdyn: It's still acting up. I restarted it twice, since the first time BIOS didn't even recognize the drive! Is that a sure sign of drive failure, or could it be a loose cable or somethin? |
| 22:08.39 | valdyn | devsforev: sure cable issues are possible |
| 22:08.45 | jair_ | guys! I did create my server, but I think I missed something. |
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| 22:09.25 | jair_ | when I type dpkg -l I see all the other linux kernels but not mine |
| 22:09.43 | valdyn | jair_: how did you install yours? |
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| 22:11.15 | jair_ | valdyn: using make all, make module_installs, make install |
| 22:11.25 | devsforev | valdyn: It's odd though... The drive "sounds" fine. But i suppose other things could take it down as well. Cables typically don't just 'go bad' in the middle of their use I would immagine |
| 22:11.25 | jair_ | then recreate initrd |
| 22:11.33 | valdyn | jair_: how would that create a debian package? |
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| 22:11.42 | jair_ | valdyn: I did it the traditional way |
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| 22:12.06 | jair_ | valdyn: right, i did not created using the traditional way |
| 22:12.11 | jair_ | I mean debian way |
| 22:12.23 | valdyn | devsforev: you might just not have mechanical issues, so it would sound fine |
| 22:12.23 | jair_ | I can try to compile it agian |
| 22:12.27 | jair_ | again |
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| 22:12.28 | debian | jair_: My way! |
| 22:12.31 | valdyn | devsforev: question is if its controller, disk or cable |
| 22:12.57 | valdyn | !kp mantra |
| 22:12.57 | dpkg | methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 22:13.14 | x1250 | Hi guys, is there anyway to configure smooth scrolling for a touchpad? Maybe xorg.conf? |
| 22:13.36 | devsforev | valdyn: i will try to swap out the cable later and cross my fingers. thanks for your help |
| 22:14.06 | peleg | do you know how to "say" a "tab" in sed? |
| 22:14.13 | peleg | \t or something... |
| 22:14.18 | vsd | what's the pkg name for X? |
| 22:14.26 | valdyn | vsd: xorg |
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| 22:15.39 | vsd | thanks |
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| 22:21.27 | agnitio | I'm havin some issues with the gtk-qt-engine, no matter wich theme I choose in "GTK Styles and Fonts" in the kde control manager, gtk apps are ugly |
| 22:21.37 | agnitio | however, if I start them from a terminal, they work fine |
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| 22:22.05 | suppaman | bye |
| 22:22.06 | agnitio | except if I choose the "qt" theme or "use my kde style in gtk applications" (wich I expect are the same thing) |
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| 22:23.33 | SiftinDotCom | needs feedback, on the site. |
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| 22:24.26 | vsd | how do i get out of the sleep mode in my laptop? |
| 22:24.49 | dondelelcaro | vsd: usually you open the lid or press the power button |
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| 22:24.52 | Seb | can one change the passphrase on an ssh key, the same way you can on a gpg key ? |
| 22:24.56 | ma3x | what's better/faster wireless-G or B? |
| 22:25.02 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: G |
| 22:25.09 | Seb | vsd: are you using a thinkpad by any chance ? |
| 22:25.21 | vsd | ah it workedd |
| 22:25.29 | vsd | Seb: no i'd wish :) why? |
| 22:25.39 | dondelelcaro | Seb: man ssh-keygen; see -p |
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| 22:25.55 | Seb | vsd: the latest have trouble getting out of sleep |
| 22:26.21 | vsd | i thought thinkpads had excellent linux support |
| 22:26.33 | dondelelcaro | in general they do |
| 22:26.40 | Seb | vsd: what dondelelcaro said |
| 22:26.43 | vsd | damn it didnt work |
| 22:26.48 | Seb | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot, I never knew about that |
| 22:26.51 | vsd | it wakes up for 3 secs |
| 22:26.56 | vsd | and it regoes to sleep |
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| 22:28.17 | dondelelcaro | vsd: are you using uswsp? or something else? |
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| 22:29.33 | vsd | why does it say lenny/sid on top of getty? when i have lenny |
| 22:29.44 | vsd | dondelelcaro: i don't know. what's this? |
| 22:29.48 | dondelelcaro | vsd: because the same package of basefiles is in both. |
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| 22:30.13 | dondelelcaro | vsd: if you're not using uswsp, try it, since it automates bringing back the video and a few other issues correctly |
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| 22:33.03 | vsd | dondelelcaro: hm i see. you mean bringing it back from sleep right? |
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| 22:36.43 | vallhalla81 | yay finaly a fresh instal of DebIan |
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| 22:37.06 | vsd | isn't there a vmware pkg? |
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| 22:43.07 | vallhalla81 | so what are the eyecandy options for debian |
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| 22:43.40 | VaX13 | Can you manually modify the system uptime ? |
| 22:44.00 | vallhalla81 | !eyecandy |
| 22:44.00 | dpkg | i guess eyecandy is see gtk-engines-*, penguineyes, clearlooks-cairo-2, <compiz>, <beryl>, compiz fusion, http://www.kde-look.org/, |
| 22:45.58 | jim | vallhalla81: don't forget, debian is also basic unix... it could be handy someday, to know commands like... cat echo head tail sort tee ls mkdir sh grep |
| 22:46.17 | jim | maybe it could be handy today :P |
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| 22:46.52 | vallhalla81 | jim: yep that is why i have moved over to lear it |
| 22:46.59 | vallhalla81 | learn* |
| 22:47.10 | jim | from? |
| 22:47.51 | vallhalla81 | linux .org had some starters tutorals i am going to start there |
| 22:47.52 | jim | what had you been running before? |
| 22:48.07 | jim | great, that sounds good |
| 22:48.12 | vallhalla81 | windows then ubuntu for 3 months |
| 22:48.27 | jim | aha, how did you feel about ubuntu? |
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| 22:49.19 | vallhalla81 | it was quite good to ease in to linux on but i think to progress in linux i had to move away from the heavy gui base |
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| 22:50.07 | jim | (the thing is, running linux lets you learn those things no matter if debian, ubuntu, slackware, gentoo, even not-linux, bsds etc |
| 22:50.31 | vallhalla81 | very true |
| 22:50.33 | thechef | Everyone can connect to my windows shares except windows users |
| 22:50.41 | thechef | They have a "permission problem" |
| 22:51.04 | jim | and the truth is, you could install cygwin on windows and still have the opportunity to learn those commands |
| 22:51.05 | thechef | though the root is accesible with a guest account |
| 22:51.37 | jim | sounds like you have to do the smbpasswd thing and I'm not remembering the details on that |
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| 22:52.46 | thechef | What? |
| 22:52.53 | thechef | smbpasswd |
| 22:52.53 | jim | sounds like you have to do the smbpasswd thing and I'm not remembering the details on that |
| 22:52.59 | thechef | never heard of that |
| 22:53.20 | katoon | Hi, I install tomcat5.5-admin.. (tomcat5.5/server/webapps/admin).. and the "normal" webapps for sites is "tomcat5.5/webapps/".. Im using mod_jk, the solution that I think is fine is to create a simbolic link from tomcat5.5/webapss to tomcat5.5/sever/webapps/admin. (but Im not sure) |
| 22:53.27 | jim | since I'm not remembering the details, you could choose to search stuff on that :) |
| 22:54.12 | cosmodad | what happens with /etc/cron.d jobs when the system isn't running at the time of scheduling? I suppose anacron can't deal with that, so will such jobs just be postponed to the next interval? |
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| 22:54.42 | thechef | But I thought a guest account doesn't require a password so why should a tool that 'change a user’s SMB password' help? |
| 22:54.50 | Xenguy | cosmodad: I've been wondering similar things; have to read up on anacron |
| 22:55.23 | cosmodad | Xenguy: check /etc/anacron too. |
| 22:55.33 | cosmodad | Xenguy: /etc/anacrontab |
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| 22:55.37 | vallhalla81 | brb |
| 22:55.42 | Xenguy | cosmodad: OK, tx, will do |
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| 22:56.17 | varney | hi all |
| 22:56.18 | Xenguy | cosmodad: ls: /etc/anacrontab: No such file or directory |
| 22:56.32 | varney | where would i find info on how to statically link a program? |
| 22:56.33 | katoon | have someone any idea? |
| 22:56.37 | cosmodad | Xenguy: you need to have anacron installed. |
| 22:56.46 | jim | thechef: I took the only shot I remembered... perhaps looking deeper could help you |
| 22:57.00 | Xenguy | cosmodad: jesus h christ, anacron is not installed by default?!? |
| 22:57.02 | jim | frankly I took the only shot I'm going to |
| 22:57.14 | cosmodad | Xenguy: anyways, since anacron's smallest time unit is daily, it can't be unleashed upon /etc/cron.d which uses per-crontab schedules, possibly on minute/hour layer. |
| 22:57.19 | cosmodad | Xenguy: no clue. |
| 22:57.22 | Xenguy | cosmodad: it is *not* installed here - weird, I always thought that was installed by default |
| 22:57.35 | jim | Xenguy: sounds like you're having a feeling about that... |
| 22:57.49 | Xenguy | jim: huh? |
| 22:57.50 | cosmodad | Xenguy: it's all a big 24/7 server world for Debian. ;) |
| 22:58.17 | jim | Xenguy: it became clear to me when you said "jesus h christ" |
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| 22:58.53 | Xenguy | jim: not to offend any of the local Xtians or anything - I'm just damned surprised by this discovery :-) |
| 22:59.13 | jim | why? how many crons/ats are there? |
| 22:59.31 | jim | and what do you mean by "by default" |
| 22:59.41 | vsd | when in xorg, some keys of my kb get mixed after a while |
| 22:59.44 | vsd | like m becomes 0 |
| 22:59.53 | vsd | p -> - |
| 22:59.57 | Xenguy | jim: cron is installed by default, yes? I thought anacron was too |
| 22:59.57 | jim | why does that happen? |
| 23:00.00 | vsd | and such werid stuff |
| 23:00.02 | vsd | why? |
| 23:00.12 | jim | why would you have two crons? |
| 23:00.25 | cosmodad | jim: anacron isn't a replacement for cron |
| 23:00.35 | jim | oh, what does it do? |
| 23:01.06 | cosmodad | jim: it makes sure regular cron jobs aren't forgotten when their scheduling time is missed |
| 23:01.07 | Xenguy | jim: are your questions rhetorical? It's pretty obvious that if you ever turn off your PC, you might appreciate anacron - jeez |
| 23:01.34 | Xenguy | jim: or maybe it isn't obvious - sorry for growling ;-) |
| 23:01.42 | jim | are you assuming I know anything about it? |
| 23:01.49 | Xenguy | retreats for supper... |
| 23:01.57 | Seb | i have a generic security question; how do people setup ssh- or gpg-agent on machines where they might not trust root admins ? |
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| 23:02.04 | jim | I still would like you to answer "what do you mean by "by default"" |
| 23:02.27 | Seb | since the socket is in /tmp, it's accessible by root, so he can ssh as me anywhere I can, without authentication |
| 23:02.32 | cosmodad | jim: guess he's referring to what the Debian installer does, even with minimum tasks selected. |
| 23:02.39 | Seb | which, let's face it, is an idea that doesn't please me in the least :) |
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| 23:02.54 | cosmodad | Seb: I suppose you can't run ssh if you distrust the admin. |
| 23:03.16 | \amethyst | Seb: root can do a lot more than that. How do you know /usr/bin/ssh doesn't have a keylogger? |
| 23:03.17 | jim | why do you have to play with root admins you don't trust? |
| 23:03.18 | cosmodad | Seb: root can always copy your private keys and key-log your ssh passwords. |
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| 23:03.43 | Seb | cosmodad: root can't copy my private keys, as /home is NFS-squashed |
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| 23:03.56 | vsd | isn't there a vmware pkg? |
| 23:04.10 | \amethyst | Seb: you would think that |
| 23:04.17 | jim | is vmware free software? |
| 23:04.44 | \amethyst | Seb: that doesn't prevent root from attaching to ssh with gdb and extracting the key from the program |
| 23:05.09 | Seb | \amethyst: that's a fact, that you will need to refute by offering a solution to the practical problem of accessing user files from a squashed NFS_dir |
| 23:05.26 | Seb | \amethyst: well i'm root too on this box, it runs tripwire and all |
| 23:05.34 | \amethyst | Seb: I'm saying root doesn't have to access the file---root has access to ssh's memory |
| 23:05.40 | vsd | jim: not oss |
| 23:05.46 | \amethyst | Seb: and the key is stored in RAM, too, at least for a little while |
| 23:05.58 | vsd | isn't there a repo for non-oss software? |
| 23:06.03 | cosmodad | jim: some apps are freeware, but not open source. |
| 23:06.35 | jim | vsd: there are no non-free packages that are considered "in debian" even though debian might distribute them |
| 23:07.06 | zinx | jim: vmware player (which can only run pre-made images) is free as in beer (so not free as in DFSG); other releases of vmware are commercial and require a paid license |
| 23:07.15 | Seb | \amethyst: i know a system is never secure, but I asked a pretty specific question; I wanna make sure it's at least very difficult for root to extract my key, and doing it from a gdb dump of ssh is good enough |
| 23:07.29 | Seb | \amethyst: simply connecting to my ssh-agent's socket is not :) |
| 23:07.44 | zinx | jim: and i just noticed you were asking in response to someone, forgive me :x |
| 23:07.46 | jim | zinx: ok, gotcha, thanks :) |
| 23:08.00 | jim | thanks for noticing |
| 23:08.38 | vsd | no vmware server is freeware too |
| 23:08.49 | cosmodad | Seb: so you're not trusting your root admin but consider him too dumb to do "advanced" stuff like gdb dumping? |
| 23:08.50 | jim | it's generally my desire to wake up the part of linux users that are hungry to learn |
| 23:09.23 | Seb | cosmodad: did I not just mention where I placed &my& limit ? |
| 23:09.56 | vallhalla81 | do i need restricked drivers for nvidia cards in debian? |
| 23:10.00 | Seb | i was looking at having ssh-agent put its socket file on the NFS /home itself, but of course that's not doable :) |
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| 23:10.41 | vallhalla81 | !nvidia |
| 23:10.41 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:11.03 | debian | Should I use lenny sid or the other thing? |
| 23:11.31 | Seb | cosmodad: notice how I never implied anything about what root might or not be able to do. All I said is I want to make it harder than simply using my ssh-agent's socket. I'd be a fool anyway to think I can be totally safe on a box where I'm not the only root, so I just have to make a choice. THat's what IT sec is all about, defining what risk is available with regard to the resources you wanna invest in it |
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| 23:12.15 | cosmodad | Seb: I'm just questioning your security policy. Feel free to draw the line wherever you want, but I wouldn't even consider a box with a questionable root account. |
| 23:12.27 | Seb | cosmodad: now if you have insights about how to help me do this for my particular problem, I'm all for it. And if ssh-agent just can't be protected, so be it. |
| 23:13.30 | Seb | cosmodad: have you ever worked in a place where the root account is shared, and you don't quite get to decide about it ? |
| 23:13.42 | Spec | with sed, how do i completely replace any line beginning with "future" with "some other text"? sed -i s/^future*/some\ other\ text/ filename.txt <-- doesn't do it. |
| 23:13.51 | Seb | .* |
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| 23:14.01 | Seb | Spec: a bit of regex reading will do you good :) |
| 23:14.08 | jim | Seb: one thing that comes to mind is a separate machine |
| 23:14.09 | Spec | oh, . is any |
| 23:14.11 | Spec | Seb: of course -.- |
| 23:14.15 | cosmodad | Seb: I did work in places with multiple admins, but had no reason at all to distrust any of them. |
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| 23:14.22 | Spec | Seb: i knew * was just repeating the last char...didn't think of .* -.- |
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| 23:15.05 | jim | Spec: so what's your new view of .*? |
| 23:15.08 | Seb | cosmodad: good for you. Now realize you're absolutely not helping, because your not distrusting anyone is not exactly a safe approach to security. Just because you have no reason to distrust someone, doesn't mean you should trust them |
| 23:15.15 | \amethyst | Seb: since you only have one attack vector you want to protect against, you could put the socket inside some kind of fuse mount... default fuse behaviour is to make things completely inaccessible to users other than you, including root |
| 23:15.26 | Seb | jim: i've though about that, yes |
| 23:15.36 | Seb | \amethyst: that's interesting, I haven't thought about that at all |
| 23:15.39 | \amethyst | Seb: still won't protect against a smart admin, but it sounds like your co-admins are dumb :) |
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| 23:15.57 | \amethyst | Seb: however |
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| 23:16.22 | Seb | \amethyst: they're not, it's just that i don't actually distrust any of them ;) But as a practical exercise, I figured it'd be fun to try and see if I can make ssh-agent better in a shared environment |
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| 23:16.23 | \amethyst | Seb: I would not be surprised if root could access it via /proc/<ssh-pid>/fd/ |
| 23:16.38 | cosmodad | Seb: I said I did not distrust any of *those* admins which doesn't mean I'm naively assuming every admin to be lawful. |
| 23:17.11 | jim | "lawful" even if fully true doesn't imply trustworthy either |
| 23:17.16 | Seb | cosmodad: you didn't get my point. You not distrusting anyone doesn't mean jack as to whether or not they can or should be trusted. |
| 23:17.21 | Seb | jim: indeed |
| 23:17.32 | vsd | if i care about security, which apache should i install? debian stable's apache (2.2.3) or latest stable (2.2.8) ? |
| 23:17.59 | vsd | etch's apache has security enhancements/patches? |
| 23:18.00 | Seb | vsd: stuff from stable has bacported security patches so you're pretty much always save with what's in stable and stable/updates |
| 23:18.04 | Seb | vsd: yes |
| 23:18.05 | Spec | jim: my new view of .*? |
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| 23:18.20 | Seb | vsd: make sure you do use the security updates in sources.list though |
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| 23:18.32 | jim | Spec: did you know about that regex before? |
| 23:19.09 | Spec | i've seen it, i didn't make the mental connection of dot represents one of any character, and * represents an infinite repeating of the prior letter...so .* means infinite repeating of any character, ie: everything |
| 23:19.15 | vsd | Seb: sources.list are the repos? |
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| 23:20.12 | Seb | \amethyst: but i think the fuse idea perfectly matches my goal of making this better |
| 23:20.12 | jim | Spec: what does .{,} mean? |
| 23:20.12 | Seb | \amethyst: you meant /proc/<ssh-agent-pid>/fd, by the way, right ? |
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| 23:20.43 | cosmodad | Seb: Don't turn this into a philosophical discussion. You asked for security measures, I suggested to not use that particular machine at all. If you want to reject that option, that's fine. Period. |
| 23:20.58 | Spec | jim: matches preceding element at least null times, and not over null times? |
| 23:21.03 | \amethyst | Seb: I guess that would work too, and would be a lot easier since you wouldn't have to time it right :) |
| 23:21.04 | Spec | jim: so basically...it matches nothing? |
| 23:21.06 | vsd | and is security updates repo enabled by default? |
| 23:21.41 | jim | Spec: well, you've interpreted the {...} correctly at base level |
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| 23:22.01 | jim | but what does the regex parser do with those nulls? |
| 23:22.33 | Spec | dunno, it doesn't treat them as null? |
| 23:22.42 | stalks | Each time I reboot the drives are changing order. I have an adaptec raid5 (module aacraid), and 2x sata onboard. How can I force the order? the raid5 is not needed by anything on startup. I have added "blacklist aacraid" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it is still being loaded |
| 23:22.55 | Spec | stalks: i think /etc/iftab is what you might want |
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| 23:23.44 | stalks | Spec, thanks, I'll google some instructions |
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| 23:24.28 | jim | Spec: yes, but when the regex parser sees those nulls, it assumes a default case for each. so, what's the default for a null {HERE, ... } and what's the default for a null { ... ,HERE}? |
| 23:24.28 | vsd | anyone installed vmware ? |
| 23:24.29 | Seb | cosmodad: nah, you're just refusing to understand what it is I'm doing; but that "[I] had no reason at all to distrust any of them" pretty much did it for me anyway. I wasn't gonna ask for much from you after that heh. |
| 23:24.45 | Spec | jim: oh, ^, and $? |
| 23:24.55 | Spec | jim: so that also matches everything? |
| 23:24.58 | stalks | Spec, "iftab - static information about the network interfaces", its not a network interface |
| 23:25.06 | Spec | err, sorry, harddrive equivalent of that -.- |
| 23:25.12 | jim | well, it does yes. but not for that reason |
| 23:25.17 | stalks | fstab, i guess |
| 23:25.19 | Spec | stalks: that lets you keep your nics in order, if you have multiple nic modules |
| 23:25.27 | Spec | stalks: well, in fstab you could specify the harddrive's specific UUID number |
| 23:25.48 | Spec | so even if /dev/sda becomes /dev/sdb and vice versa every other reboot, the UUID is the same, so the correct drive will be mapped to the correct folder |
| 23:25.55 | Spec | jim: hmm, for what reason? |
| 23:26.05 | jim | so, these are equiv: .* .{0,} |
| 23:26.09 | Seb | vsd: why not just google for "vmware debian" ? |
| 23:26.17 | jim | and .{,} |
| 23:26.20 | vsd | i want a specific question |
| 23:26.26 | vsd | *to ask |
| 23:26.28 | stalks | thing is fstab sorts out mountings, I don't mount these drives, they are pulled frmo a vmware guest directly and are configured by dev address, ie. /dev/sda .. hence the importance of order |
| 23:26.32 | Seb | vsd: then do so |
| 23:26.49 | Seb | vsd: right now you're "surveying" :) |
| 23:26.56 | stalks | vmware is in vmware-package, you need non-free in your apt sources |
| 23:27.01 | Spec | jim: so the default is 0 for the left side, and the default is ... "MAX" for the right side? |
| 23:27.11 | vsd | ok, it says my gcc is different from the one that built my kernel and i might experience problems if i build the vmmon module with it |
| 23:27.13 | jim | hands vsd: "If you're paddling down the railroad tracks backwards in your canoe and your wheels fall off, how many pancakes does it take to shingle a doghouse?" |
| 23:27.14 | vsd | what should i do? |
| 23:27.26 | Spec | vsd: ignore that message and try it anyways |
| 23:27.30 | jim | Spec: yes |
| 23:27.33 | vsd | jim: i think 3:P |
| 23:27.55 | pundi1 | i have a problem with the libc6 packet. it cant be removed, as it would remove rather everything. however, my gcc cant include standard files like stio.h. supposedly some dependencies are bad. i am new to debian packages :| |
| 23:28.08 | jim | you wanted a specific question... not sure it's on topic :) |
| 23:28.16 | Seb | pundi1: libc-dev ? |
| 23:28.31 | jim | Spec: howbout .{1,}? |
| 23:28.33 | Seb | pundi1: libc6-dev, even |
| 23:28.53 | pundi1 | Seb: if i try to install libc-dev then it says: "bad dependencies..." |
| 23:29.03 | Seb | pundi1: are you running sid ? |
| 23:29.06 | jim | bad BAD dependencies! |
| 23:29.11 | Seb | heh |
| 23:29.14 | suwro | hello |
| 23:29.19 | pundi1 | Seb: yes. sid |
| 23:29.39 | Spec | jim: matches any character that repeats twice in a row? |
| 23:29.42 | suwro | is crontab */4 equivalent wiht 0,15,30,45 at minutes ??? |
| 23:29.59 | Seb | dpkg, sid ? |
| 23:29.59 | dpkg | [sid] the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 23:30.20 | Seb | pundi1: that part about "Do not use sid unless..." is especially important |
| 23:30.21 | jim | Spec: the thing in {} says how many times to repeat whatever it follows |
| 23:30.31 | pundi1 | Seb hmmmm |
| 23:30.33 | jim | so .{2} |
| 23:30.36 | jim | means .. |
| 23:30.47 | suwro | pundi1: if you really want sid - use sidux instead. |
| 23:30.49 | *** part/#debian sergem1 (n=Admin@87.255.79.154) |
| 23:30.50 | Spec | so that's any two characters at all -.- |
| 23:30.51 | jim | which means any char followed by any char |
| 23:30.57 | jim | yeo |
| 23:30.58 | jim | p |
| 23:31.06 | pundi1 | suwro thx :| |
| 23:31.17 | Spec | so .{1,} is any one character at all? |
| 23:31.19 | suwro | pundi1: go fetch sidux, it's a live CD, test it - if you like it - use it. |
| 23:31.25 | Spec | and .{0,} would match a blank line? |
| 23:31.29 | suwro | pundi1: i like it ;) |
| 23:31.29 | Seb | pundi1: if you're already dist-upgraded to the fullest, and still have problem, it's gonna be time to manually fix what can be fixed, after looking in the bts and all that |
| 23:31.37 | jim | . is any one char |
| 23:31.47 | jim | also, .{1} |
| 23:31.51 | jim | also, .{1,1 |
| 23:31.54 | jim | oops |
| 23:31.57 | jim | also, .{1,1} |
| 23:31.58 | Seb | jim: this is proving tough :> |
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| 23:32.14 | suwro | so, is crontab */4 equivalent wiht 0,15,30,45 ?? |
| 23:32.27 | zinx | suwro: no, that's */15 |
| 23:32.44 | stalks | I guess putting aacraid in the modprobe is futile as its built-in to the kernel :/ |
| 23:32.49 | Seb | suwro: man 5 crontab is awesome, and describes that in detail |
| 23:32.53 | suwro | oh so */4 is 4 minutes |
| 23:33.07 | jim | so /4 is 0,4,8,12, ... etc? |
| 23:33.07 | suwro | Seb: thankyou |
| 23:33.08 | pundi1 | Seb: i am really new to packages. it seems i have to dist-upgrade but i did not understand the man page on that |
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| 23:33.17 | zinx | suwro: 4 of whatever unit the /step is in |
| 23:33.22 | zinx | suwro: see 'man 5 crontab' |
| 23:33.23 | suwro | zinx: tnank you for the enlightment |
| 23:33.24 | Seb | pundi1: if you're really new you want to use stable, not sid |
| 23:33.39 | Seb | pundi1: try apt-get dist-upgrade, knowing it might fuck your box even more than it is now |
| 23:33.45 | Spec | suwro: it's modulus div |
| 23:33.58 | zinx | jim: and, yeah |
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| 23:34.26 | Spec | stalks: /etc/fstab with UUIDs is your best bet |
| 23:34.35 | Spec | although there is another way, i just can't remember it off the top of my head |
| 23:35.02 | pundi1 | Seb nothing happens. when i do dist-upgrade ... :S btw :S :S (embarrassing) this iiss a stable distro installed not sid .... :S |
| 23:35.18 | jim | so would .{0,} match "a"? |
| 23:35.18 | stalks | I'm not mounting the drives, they are specified as physical disks by their /dev/* io in vmware, the order is stopping the guests from booting |
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| 23:35.37 | jim | that's to Spec please :) |
| 23:35.58 | suwro | pundi1: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 23:36.01 | Seb | pundi1: so you're running etch ? |
| 23:36.09 | Spec | jim: the 0 is throwing me off, it's saying a minimum of 0 instances, and a maximum of infinite |
| 23:36.09 | kraypius | anyone know how to fix http://pastebin.ca/971702 ? |
| 23:36.12 | Spec | jim: so i guess yes, it would match an a |
| 23:36.13 | pundi1 | Seb yes. etch. |
| 23:36.29 | jim | so would .{1,} match "a"? |
| 23:36.36 | Seb | pundi1: i doubt you only have etch sources in your sources.list, because etch doesn't have dependency problems |
| 23:36.36 | Spec | yeap, for sure. |
| 23:36.43 | jim | so would .{2,} match "a"? |
| 23:36.56 | maher | is there some way to get apt/dpkg to automatically rebuild modules via m-a when it installs a new kernel? |
| 23:37.01 | Spec | hmm, . is any character, does that include null characters? |
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| 23:37.04 | kraypius | i think my sources.list is messed up |
| 23:37.10 | jim | hope |
| 23:37.16 | jim | nope even |
| 23:37.18 | Spec | jim: in that case, no, it wouldn't |
| 23:37.20 | S4nD3r | hey |
| 23:37.27 | jim | correct |
| 23:37.46 | S4nD3r | Which kernel is proper to use with AMD semprom in lenny? |
| 23:37.46 | pundi1 | Seb my sources.list is almost empty. just the CDs inside |
| 23:37.49 | jim | what's the abbreviation for .{0,}? |
| 23:37.56 | Seb | .* |
| 23:38.00 | Spec | .* :P |
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| 23:38.15 | jim | Seb: you know this stuff :P |
| 23:38.19 | S4nD3r | Im using that mirror: deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free is that right? |
| 23:38.23 | Seb | oh I know regexes all right :> |
| 23:38.25 | lunaphyte | what's the difference between (for example) invoke-rc.d ssh restart and /etc/init.d/ssh restart? what reason would someone have to use one method over the other? |
| 23:38.29 | jim | yer just showing off :P |
| 23:38.35 | pundi1 | Seb hm, maybe i should put some debian servers into the sources.list... well i am new in packages as i said ... |
| 23:38.45 | Seb | lunaphyte: invoke-rc.d will only start it if you're in the "right" level |
| 23:38.51 | pundi1 | however now its just the CDs inside |
| 23:39.07 | Seb | lunaphyte: that is, only if there is a link in /etc/rcN.d, where N is your current runlevel |
| 23:39.07 | jim | Spec: so... what's the abbreviation for .{1,} |
| 23:39.11 | lunaphyte | Seb: oh, so it "honors" runlevels, so to speak? |
| 23:39.19 | Seb | pundi1: then apt-get update, and retry to install |
| 23:39.21 | Spec | jim: . |
| 23:39.23 | Seb | lunaphyte: correct |
| 23:39.33 | Seb | lunaphyte: that's why it's the preferred way |
| 23:39.34 | vsd | i do apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 23:39.37 | vsd | on lenny |
| 23:39.39 | Spec | jim: well, .* actually, beause that matches .* i think |
| 23:39.44 | vsd | and it says broken pkg |
| 23:39.48 | vsd | :/ |
| 23:40.07 | jim | it matches almost all cases of .* |
| 23:40.11 | jim | except "" |
| 23:40.20 | S4nD3r | I upgraded to 2.6.24-1-686, but now, all everything is crazy... My main problem is vmware stopped to work |
| 23:40.22 | Spec | .* doesn't match a null char, does it? |
| 23:40.27 | jim | it has a different abbreviation |
| 23:40.30 | jim | .+ |
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| 23:40.43 | lunaphyte | seb, i see. any other reasons aside from that? |
| 23:40.52 | Seb | lunaphyte: not that I know of |
| 23:41.10 | jim | let's shift to a different name for that... instead of saying "null char" let's call that "empty string" |
| 23:41.21 | Seb | yes, please do |
| 23:41.23 | Seb | :) |
| 23:41.26 | lunaphyte | it's funny. i've used debian for ages, and just by chance a couple of minutes ago happened to come across that command for the first time. |
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| 23:41.32 | vsd | S4nD3r: you have lenny? |
| 23:41.35 | jim | just so everyone who wants to be is on the same page |
| 23:41.38 | S4nD3r | yes vsd |
| 23:41.40 | debian | Is this the official debian channel? |
| 23:41.49 | pgpkeys | yes |
| 23:41.54 | Seb | lunaphyte: invoke-rc.d is what *has* to be used in maintainer scripts, for that reason |
| 23:41.58 | vsd | S4nD3r: did you compile the vmmon module? |
| 23:42.01 | pundi1 | Seb thx a lot. i will try working on that. however, i had just the CDs in the sources.list, and installed just from the CDs (Etch). and now the dependencies are messed up. i really dont get it :S |
| 23:42.14 | lunaphyte | Seb: yeah, that makes sense, reading through the man page for it. |
| 23:42.17 | S4nD3r | I tried to use vmware-config.pl to setup |
| 23:42.18 | Seb | pundi1: have you "apt-get update" ? |
| 23:42.32 | S4nD3r | because this were working properly when I had k7 kernel. |
| 23:42.34 | pundi1 | Seb sure |
| 23:42.35 | Seb | pundi1: if you have only the CD in there, and haven't installed anything from sources other than etch in the meantime, that will set you straight |
| 23:42.37 | vsd | S4nD3r: yes but one of the steps is to build vmmon |
| 23:42.48 | vsd | k7? |
| 23:42.50 | S4nD3r | manually ? |
| 23:42.53 | Seb | pundi1: what version of libc6 do you have ? dpkg -l libc6 |
| 23:42.54 | jim | so * is {0,} and + is {1,} |
| 23:43.07 | Seb | yes |
| 23:43.12 | Spec | jim: + doesn't match null, and * does? |
| 23:43.16 | Spec | err, empty string |
| 23:43.17 | jim | correct |
| 23:43.18 | vsd | S4nD3r: yes. how did you do it. also for your problem you might need a patch any to any |
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| 23:43.22 | maher | is there some way to get apt/dpkg to automatically rebuild modules via m-a when it installs a new kernel? |
| 23:43.40 | S4nD3r | ummm.... |
| 23:43.50 | S4nD3r | I just used vmware script to install it |
| 23:43.54 | pundi1 | Seb: that s the problem. i have libc6 version 2.6. but for my libc6-dev i need 2.3 :S |
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| 23:44.23 | S4nD3r | Im using this kernel version 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 23:44.49 | enouf | maher: not that i know of, that'd be on ugly hack |
| 23:44.49 | S4nD3r | If vmware works, this will be good for me for awhile |
| 23:44.55 | enouf | s/on/one |
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| 23:45.18 | pundi1 | Seb when i apt-get install libc6-dev it asks for libc6 v.2.3 ! |
| 23:45.22 | enouf | IOW, no reason to "rebuild" any modules except proprietary crap |
| 23:45.45 | Seb | pundi1: and how exactly did you get an upgraded libc6 ? |
| 23:45.49 | enouf | the linux-image-kernpkg-VERSION contains all needed modules ;-) |
| 23:46.01 | jim | what quantifier (things like * + { .,, }) would mean match this char or match empty |
| 23:46.01 | pundi1 | Seb i got it from the CD |
| 23:46.03 | maher | enouf: there are lots of modules not in the main debian kernel tree - that's why m-a exists |
| 23:46.06 | Seb | pundi1: of course, because you messed with your stable system by installing packages from archives other than stable |
| 23:46.09 | Seb | pundi1: no, you did not |
| 23:46.14 | enouf | maher: that's not why m-a exists |
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| 23:46.31 | Seb | pundi1: etch has 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 23:46.42 | s0l5 | anyone got a guid on installing snort on debian? |
| 23:46.42 | zinx | enouf: i'll bite.. why does it exist? |
| 23:46.42 | s0l5 | anyone got a guid on installing snort on debian? |
| 23:47.03 | Seb | s0l5: you need to ask at least 4 times in a row, we're busy here |
| 23:47.07 | pundi1 | Seb that makes sense |
| 23:47.12 | jim | snorts in s0l5 three ears |
| 23:47.24 | pundi1 | however, i dont know how libc6 v. 2.6 sneaked in. and i dont know how to downgrade it |
| 23:47.28 | s0l5 | sorry |
| 23:47.30 | jim | damn, why does he have three ears?! |
| 23:47.37 | enouf | in-tree modules could also be made with m-a .. also it depends on your "main config non-free" sections |
| 23:47.40 | Seb | pundi1: it didn't sneak in, that's what you need to understand |
| 23:48.03 | Seb | pundi1: you did edit sources.list, putting stuff other than stable in there, andthen you installed things from those new sources. That's how it happened. |
| 23:48.03 | zinx | enouf: my kernel packages seem to be lacking the modules built from the linux-uvc-source package using m-a. FIX IT. |
| 23:48.05 | enouf | ahh, you did say main, my bad |
| 23:48.14 | pundi1 | Seb i did install Java and Flash. otherwise nothing than the CDs. |
| 23:48.24 | pundi1 | Seb and my sources.list is empty . yes. |
| 23:48.32 | Seb | pundi1: and that's an etch CD ? |
| 23:48.39 | pundi1 | Seb yes |
| 23:48.41 | S4nD3r | any suggest vsd? |
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| 23:48.47 | enouf | it's still an ugly hack, especially if it happens without user say so / intervention |
| 23:48.47 | S4nD3r | about steps to follow |
| 23:49.00 | debian | I own the nick debian! |
| 23:49.01 | debian | Woho |
| 23:49.21 | enouf | !fix zinx |
| 23:49.22 | dpkg | takes zinx to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 23:49.27 | enouf | ok? ;-) |
| 23:49.33 | pundi1 | Seb: yes, i dawns upon me how v.2.6 could have sneaked in ... :S |
| 23:49.43 | zinx | enouf: generally they are prebuilt for Debian kernels, but sid lacks a few (i don't if the releases are also lacking those, however) |
| 23:49.44 | Seb | pundi1: well then you're lying, and I honestly have better things to do. If you happen to remember what you did to your sources.list, and how you added other things in there, maybe I'll still be here to help. |
| 23:49.55 | zinx | enouf: in separate packages, for the ones that aren't part of the kernel proper |
| 23:50.01 | debian | Where is all the real debian users? |
| 23:50.01 | pundi1 | Seb, however, how will i downgrade libc6 to v.2.3 |
| 23:50.05 | debian | Like abrotman? |
| 23:50.07 | pundi1 | Seb i am not lying. |
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| 23:50.54 | zinx | enouf: i.e., there may be a linux-uvc-modules-2.6.24-1-amd64 or such in release distributions so they don't have to be built to be used |
| 23:50.55 | pundi1 | Seb the only instance when i had something in the sources.list was when i installed Java. that dawned upon me right now. however, other then that Java i installed nothing eles |
| 23:51.03 | pundi1 | *else* |
| 23:51.18 | Seb | pundi1: java is in etch |
| 23:51.22 | Seb | pundi1: no need to add anything |
| 23:51.29 | pundi1 | Seb no thats not in there |
| 23:51.36 | pundi1 | at least i did not find it |
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| 23:51.49 | Seb | pundi1: alos, whatever you added in there to install java, also brought in a new libc6, because guess what, java does depend on libc6 |
| 23:51.55 | Seb | pundi1: it's in non-free, but it's there |
| 23:52.11 | pundi1 | Seb yes. non-free |
| 23:52.25 | zinx | enouf: debian does not have anything absurd like ubuntu in the package arena.. if they are in the kernel source, they're in the kernel package. if they're somewhere else, they get their own package which can be maintained alone, without having to maintain 500 other unrelated modules :/ |
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| 23:52.40 | stalks | Spec, if you're interested, I found a fix for my issue. /dev/disk gives an alternative method of disk mapping, in particular is /dev/disk/by-path which maps disk to their PCI address which I hope is unique, going to reboot a few times and find out :) |
| 23:52.42 | Seb | pundi1: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sun-java5.html |
| 23:52.46 | Seb | pundi1: so it is in etch |
| 23:52.47 | S4nD3r | vsd: make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686'. make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only'. Unable to build the vmmon module. Impossible to build vmmon |
| 23:53.09 | pundi1 | Seb ok. now we know how i got the new libc6. most probably i wrote a wrong line in the sources.list for installing Java |
| 23:53.13 | jim | Spec: so what would AAA.*BBB match? |
| 23:53.22 | pundi1 | Seb however how can i downgrade libc6? |
| 23:53.30 | stalks | AAAi hate regexBBB |
| 23:53.32 | Seb | pundi1: you can't directly. It's a manual process |
| 23:53.35 | Spec | stalks: ah, cool |
| 23:53.51 | jim | or if you want... A{3}.*B{3} |
| 23:53.58 | Spec | jim: any phrase that starts with AAA and ends with BBB, with absolutely anything inbetween |
| 23:54.04 | Seb | pundi1: try aptitude install libc6=theVersionOnYourCD, and take it from there |
| 23:54.06 | Spec | and that's the same |
| 23:54.07 | jim | including... |
| 23:54.13 | Seb | AAABBB |
| 23:54.17 | Spec | including nothing inbetween |
| 23:54.25 | jim | Seb: very good! |
| 23:54.37 | stalks | AAA.+BBB :P |
| 23:54.41 | jim | (he wants attention :) |
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| 23:55.07 | Seb | nah, I wanna go home |
| 23:55.12 | Seb | and i'ma do just that heh |
| 23:55.19 | Seb | talk to y'all later |
| 23:55.23 | stalks | A{3}.*B{3} |
| 23:55.27 | jim | mmhmm :P |
| 23:56.13 | jim | Spec: what if you weren't sure if a particular char was going to appear? |
| 23:56.24 | Spec | ? |
| 23:56.44 | jim | which in non-abbreviated form is |
| 23:56.45 | internat85 | whats the best way to empty the contents of a file, without actually deleting it |
| 23:56.53 | zinx | internat85: >file |
| 23:57.05 | Spec | or .{0,} |
| 23:57.06 | zinx | internat85: assuming you don't need to securely wipe it |
| 23:57.22 | jim | nope, that's not ? that's * |
| 23:57.35 | Spec | all you're asking is "any char, or null"? |
| 23:57.39 | enouf | zinx: i'm not ignoring, just busy and distracted - i'm off for a while now too |
| 23:57.42 | jim | correct |
| 23:57.50 | pundi1 | Seb thanx a lot. i appreciate so much your help! |
| 23:57.53 | Spec | doesn't . match that? |
| 23:58.03 | jim | . will not match "" |
| 23:58.07 | Spec | but .* will? |
| 23:58.11 | pundi1 | Seb i wish you a good evening. |
| 23:58.11 | jim | yes |
| 23:58.12 | jelly-home | . matches exactly one character |
| 23:58.13 | Spec | ah |
| 23:58.17 | enouf | zinx: i'll concede your points till i actually look into it more myself ;-) |
| 23:58.34 | zinx | internat85: that's assuming you wanted the sh way to do it.. otherwise you'll have to be more specific about which context you want the "best" solution for ;) |
| 23:58.38 | jim | but what if I said to you (repeating here:) |
| 23:58.39 | Spec | jim: hmm, what is the long form of ? |
| 23:58.43 | jim | Spec: what if you weren't sure if a particular char was going to appear? |
| 23:59.05 | jim | how does that translate? how many times max? |
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| 23:59.55 | Spec | max? |
