| 00:00.08 | abrotman | E-bola: install dh-make-perl and read the docs .. or at least the man page |
| 00:01.41 | E-bola | well its clear to me what it does |
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| 00:01.50 | E-bola | but reading various homepages i dont see the advantage at all |
| 00:03.08 | abrotman | okay .. then do whatever you want |
| 00:03.12 | nkuttler | E-bola: once you deploy your application you will probably want to stick to stable packages anyway |
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| 00:04.33 | E-bola | Ohh its not for my own app but for somebody elses's and since its an antispam system it often relies on the newest versions |
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| 00:04.55 | E-bola | but since using cpan also handles dependencies for me i think ile stick with that |
| 00:05.13 | FearedBliss | good night |
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| 00:06.08 | stew | E-bola: how do you get notified on updates from cpan? |
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| 00:06.30 | dvs | ^ |
| 00:07.05 | E-bola | stew: i can check it with the cpan shell |
| 00:07.12 | E-bola | similar to how apt-get / aptitude works |
| 00:08.15 | blizzow | do I have to change my sources.list to do a dist-upgrade from etch to sid? |
| 00:08.29 | dvs | blizzow: if you have to ask, you shouldn't |
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| 00:08.54 | stew | E-bola: then, since dh-make-perl downloads the modules from cpan, you can do the same |
| 00:10.10 | E-bola | stew: you mean if i install a module via dh-make-perl it will still be registered in cpan? |
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| 00:11.20 | blizzow | dvs, let me rephrase, is there a flag I can throw at apt-get to do a dist-upgrade without having to modify my sources.list? I'd prefer to do a single command rather than messing with apt-get |
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| 00:11.29 | blizzow | I mean sources.list |
| 00:11.58 | dvs | blizzow: so you only want some packages from sid? |
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| 00:13.36 | cafuego | blizzow: sed -i "s/etch/lenny/g" /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:13.43 | cafuego | How's that for a pretty oneliner |
| 00:13.50 | abrotman | aptitude ? |
| 00:13.52 | dvs | cafuego: dangerous |
| 00:14.00 | blizzow | cafuego: awesome. |
| 00:14.02 | cafuego | dvs: Nah |
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| 00:14.09 | abrotman | blizzow: please use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 00:14.26 | dvs | dselect? |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | !smack dvs |
| 00:14.34 | dpkg | smacks dvs upside the head. |
| 00:14.37 | dvs | ouch! |
| 00:14.50 | abrotman | silly candians |
| 00:15.21 | cafuego | contradicting me is dangerous... using apt-get is not. |
| 00:15.22 | dvs | If I see a "candian", I'll tell them that. ;-) |
| 00:16.25 | streuner | hm, poor US people, thinking in those categories |
| 00:17.00 | streuner | abrotman: are all people like Bush? :-P |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | hm, poor streuner, unable to comprehend anything ... |
| 00:17.02 | streuner | in US |
| 00:17.12 | abrotman | streuner: is everyone in germany like hitler? |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 00:17.22 | streuner | see, that's the point |
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| 00:18.24 | E-bola | to be fair i think bush is actualy dumber than hitler ever was hehe |
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| 00:18.46 | abrotman | "actually" |
| 00:18.57 | streuner | no, Hitler was a silly asshole |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | oh jesus .. i was just trying to make a point .. drop it |
| 00:19.13 | E-bola | its irc, im supposed to make typos |
| 00:19.15 | E-bola | :) |
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| 00:19.19 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:19.21 | cafuego | Ok, please see mr Godwin to his seat. |
| 00:19.35 | dvs | I'll get the straightjacket! |
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| 00:19.49 | Wingard | I'm having a very odd problem with Konversation. |
| 00:19.54 | cafuego | winces and demands a budget to buy new hardware |
| 00:19.56 | dvs | so are we |
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| 00:20.04 | Wingard | I bet mine's odder. |
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| 00:26.37 | JoeThomas | I finally got my ttf font (ProggyTiny) working except now in rxvt, everything before the # or $ is a difference font or maybe the same font different sizing, and everything after it is fine, Any ideas? |
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| 00:28.23 | cizzi | cant get phpbb3 to work.. it installed successfully but i get a blank page after the install.. i have php5 installed and i checked with phpinfo that its okay, i have mysql5 installed what else can i try |
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| 00:29.34 | Linuturk | I'm having some difficulty setting up a mail server. Here is my idea. I want to pull my gmail accounts using fetchmail, and push that mail to exim on the same machine, which will then allow me to pull the mail using dovecot. I've got exim configured, but I can't send any email to username@mydomain.com |
| 00:30.26 | badkins | What is the best way to build a piece of software from source (./configure make make install) without screwing up the dependencies? In particular I'd like to compile Ruby 1.8.6 from source on Etch. |
| 00:30.38 | Linuturk | I have smtp allowed through the firewall, and I have exim setup as an internet site, but I get a bounce back reply saying relaying isn't allowed for this ip address |
| 00:31.12 | badkins | Do I need to either make or find a source package? |
| 00:31.23 | Brigo | Linuturk: like me :-/ |
| 00:31.41 | Linuturk | Brigo: what do you mean? |
| 00:31.59 | Brigo | Linuturk: i have this problem too |
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| 00:32.25 | nkuttler | badkins: /msg dpkg ssbp, just use the correct deb-src line |
| 00:32.28 | XLV | badkins, get the srpm.. that has a proper .SPEC package so its compiled properly with dependancies.. if you cant find one of the version you need, get checkinstall, it can create deb packages |
| 00:32.54 | badkins | thanks to both of ya |
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| 00:33.59 | nkuttler | Linuturk: who bounces? |
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| 00:34.13 | Linuturk | gmail is the only one I tried nkuttler |
| 00:34.47 | Linuturk | nkuttler: I'm about to try from my yahoo account |
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| 00:35.03 | nkuttler | Linuturk: hm, i would have guessed you need to configure your exim to use smarthosts... |
| 00:35.34 | Linuturk | nkuttler: you mean I have to setup a smarthost for every domain I want to receive mail from? |
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| 00:35.41 | nkuttler | ... |
| 00:36.17 | Linuturk | nkuttler: this isn't my desktop machine. This is an internet based server I'm trying to configure. |
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| 00:37.57 | Brigo | Linuturk: do you have a domine name ? |
| 00:37.57 | Linuturk | nkuttler: or am I missing something here? |
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| 00:38.05 | Linuturk | yes, I do |
| 00:38.13 | Linuturk | I have the dns pointed correctly too |
| 00:38.22 | Brigo | and dns well configure, of course ... |
| 00:38.25 | Brigo | :-) |
| 00:38.30 | Linuturk | ping mail.onitato.com ;p |
| 00:38.49 | Brigo | yes |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | bash: p: command not found |
| 00:39.26 | Brigo | i have no one. I thouth this could be the problem for me. |
| 00:39.32 | icesword | Linuturk, usaï¼ |
| 00:39.46 | Linuturk | icesword: yes, in the USA |
| 00:40.09 | Linuturk | Brigo: yeah, that'd be your issue I'm guessing :) |
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| 00:40.57 | Brigo | Linuturk: but not your one ? |
| 00:41.11 | Linuturk | well, I'm not sure about that yet :) |
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| 00:42.51 | Brigo | then i need to get my own domain, configure dns an retry :-) |
| 00:43.02 | Linuturk | icesword: nkuttler: any other ideas? |
| 00:43.16 | icesword | Linuturk, what is wrong? |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | Linuturk: how are you sending mail ? |
| 00:43.59 | Linuturk | abrotman: well, I'm trying to make sure I can receive mail by sending myself a test message. |
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| 00:44.06 | abrotman | yes .. how? |
| 00:44.11 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
| 00:44.12 | Linuturk | abrotman: yahoo webmail and gmail |
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| 00:44.26 | abrotman | Linuturk: which SMTP server? |
| 00:44.29 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 00:44.36 | Akuw | hi |
| 00:44.56 | abrotman | Linuturk: dpkg -l exim4 | tail -1 |
| 00:45.20 | Akuw | i am using xfce, but when i try to install abiword, i got E: Couldn't find package abiword |
| 00:45.31 | Linuturk | abrotman: what am I looking for? |
| 00:45.48 | abrotman | Linuturk: which version number? |
| 00:45.52 | icesword | Akuw, how do you install,from repo? |
| 00:45.59 | Linuturk | 4.63-17 |
| 00:46.03 | Linuturk | abrotman: ^ |
| 00:46.15 | Linuturk | I'm on etch |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | Linuturk: when you configured exim4 .. what did you tell it you were doing ? |
| 00:46.27 | Linuturk | internet site |
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| 00:47.35 | Linuturk | abrotman: what else do you want to know? |
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| 00:47.59 | Linuturk | PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 14): 553 sorry, relaying denied from your location [64.233.178.245] (#5.7.1) << abrotman there is the bounceback :) |
| 00:48.15 | Akuw | i am using apt-cache search abiword, but i don't get any results |
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| 00:48.18 | Akuw | why? |
| 00:48.29 | Linuturk | which I'm assuming is gmail's smtp server |
| 00:48.45 | Linuturk | Akuw: maybe you haven't enabled the repository abiword is in? |
| 00:48.46 | semprix | Akuw: try package.debian.org |
| 00:48.55 | abrotman | Linuturk: did you tell exim4 to allow mail for your domain ? |
| 00:48.59 | trench | Akuw: apt-get update |
| 00:49.08 | lunaphyte | how can i extract the contents of a deb file? |
| 00:49.09 | semprix | Akuw: try packages.debian.org |
| 00:49.10 | Linuturk | abrotman: yes, for mail.onitato.com and onitato.com |
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| 00:49.25 | Linuturk | in that order, mind you |
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| 00:49.51 | Akuw | in what repo is abiword |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | Linuturk: from the server .. as a normal user |
| 00:49.57 | abrotman | Akuw: the normal repo |
| 00:50.00 | streuner | !info abiword |
| 00:50.03 | abrotman | Linuturk: send mail to another user on the system |
| 00:50.05 | dpkg | abiword: (WYSIWYG word processor based on GTK2), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.4.6-5+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 2613 kB, Installed size: 7064 kB |
| 00:50.10 | Primal | hi, anyone here willing to help me up with setting up mail on server? :) |
| 00:50.20 | Linuturk | abrotman: there are only two users. me and root |
| 00:50.21 | streuner | hm, dpkg doesnt show the repo |
| 00:50.22 | abrotman | Linuturk: "echo test | mail user@onitato.com" |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | Linuturk: so try sending yourself mail |
| 00:50.28 | streuner | but it should be in main |
| 00:50.30 | jeremiahzg | I'm running Etch, and `apt-get install hotplug` wants to remove all of the main system packages, ie. networkmanager, kde, the kernel, and udev |
| 00:50.31 | trench | Primal: what mailserver? |
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| 00:50.35 | abrotman | Primal: ask .. |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | jeremiahzg: yes .. don't do that |
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| 00:50.47 | Primal | trench, postfix |
| 00:50.51 | Akuw | i have this deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 Etch - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20080217-11:31]/ etch contrib main |
| 00:50.58 | libervisco | Hi |
| 00:50.58 | Linuturk | abrotman: ok, where do I check it? |
| 00:50.59 | jeremiahzg | abrotman: yeah, I was just wondering why it asked for that |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | jeremiahzg: hotplug is dead |
| 00:51.09 | Linuturk | o |
| 00:51.10 | Linuturk | lol |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | Linuturk: check what? |
| 00:51.13 | Linuturk | that worked abrotman |
| 00:51.14 | Akuw | is not there? |
| 00:51.14 | jeremiahzg | it's kind of annoying to reboot every time I plug in a new USB device...what alternatives are there? |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | usbmgr |
| 00:51.29 | devhell | hi all! Does anyone know if there exists a console based mailreader that can handle ms-exchange? I could finally be gui-free and not in need of evolution. thank you! |
| 00:51.37 | trench | Primal: apt-get install postfix pretty straight forward :) |
| 00:51.44 | abrotman | devhell: using which protocols ? |
| 00:51.48 | libervisco | I got fonts to look good and be of proper size on all apps, both KDE and GTK, but mozilla applications keep fighting me.. both firefox and thunderbird have *too large* fonts and I've no idea why.. |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 00:51.48 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 00:51.49 | Primal | trench, done that allready :) |
| 00:51.51 | Linuturk | abrotman: yes, that worked fine. Local mail is apparently working |
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| 00:51.55 | Primal | can i pm you ? |
| 00:52.01 | abrotman | Linuturk: can your local user send mail to google |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | Primal: no .. do not |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | Primal: just ask your questions here |
| 00:52.22 | trench | Primal: talk here and more people will learn |
| 00:52.30 | devhell | abrotman: uhm.. just need connectivity to a ms-exchange server, don't know the protocol.. sorry. |
| 00:52.44 | Primal | ok, that is even better :) |
| 00:52.49 | trench | yes |
| 00:52.55 | abrotman | devhell: via MAPI or IMAP or what? |
| 00:52.58 | trench | that's why we have channels :) |
| 00:53.05 | abrotman | OHHMMMM |
| 00:53.09 | devhell | abrotman: I guess MAPI? |
| 00:53.09 | Linuturk | abrotman: yep, I can send mail to gmail. (how do I get it to rewrite the address as onitato.com instead of mail.onitato.com also) ? |
| 00:53.17 | lunaphyte | devhell: sure, turn on imap on your exchange server and use an imap client. |
| 00:53.21 | abrotman | Linuturk: check your exim config .. |
| 00:54.12 | Primal | well I set up postfix and i can telent on localhost and send mail to root@mydomain.com and user@maindomain.com but I cant get mail from "outside", i am missing something that need to "pick up" mail from outside, this is my first time to set up mail :) |
| 00:54.16 | lunaphyte | devhell: the reason you'll find very little (especially free) software that talk to exchange is the same reason you don't know the protocol(s). |
| 00:54.27 | devhell | lunaphyte: thank you :-) I guess that is the only way excluding evolution and beeing able to switch to lets say mutt through imap? |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | Primal: a pop3 or imap server might help |
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| 00:54.59 | Linuturk | abrotman: so, dpkg-reconfigure exim? |
| 00:55.05 | Primal | ok, any recommendation ? |
| 00:55.09 | abrotman | !drec |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 00:55.20 | abrotman | Linuturk: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config .. IIRC anyways |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | see .. this is why i use postfix .. it's way easier :) |
| 00:55.39 | lunaphyte | devhell: does evolution talk to exchange using proprietary ms methods? |
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| 00:56.00 | lunaphyte | it's always bugged me that exim carries the crown for debian's default mta... |
| 00:56.05 | devhell | lunaphyte: not sure, I think it uses OWA in some way.. |
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| 00:56.30 | lunaphyte | devhell: don't be misled. owa is nothing more than imap w/ filters. |
| 00:56.42 | libervisco | hm |
| 00:56.51 | devhell | lunaphyte: thank you, that brought clarity =) |
| 00:57.09 | rrbox | trying to get kpf which sits on kde's panel to load on E, is this possible or only for KDE or something? |
| 00:57.14 | devhell | lunaphyte: I will go with mutt and IMAP, or are there other recommendations you can give me? |
| 00:57.17 | jeremiahzg | -.- why did hotplug die? it was so much easier than usbmgr... |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | jeremiahzg: they don't really do the same thing |
| 00:57.47 | lunaphyte | devhell: it might not be warmly received here (for it, but i have always liked pine. |
| 00:57.51 | lunaphyte | grr. |
| 00:58.03 | lunaphyte | devhell: it might not be warmly received here (for it's less than gnu friendly licensing), but i have always liked pine. |
| 00:58.47 | zinx | pine is not so secure :/ |
| 00:58.52 | devhell | lunaphyte: thank you, I'm sorry, I should have mentioned -besides- mutt and pine.. =) |
| 00:59.02 | lunaphyte | sure, np |
| 00:59.21 | lunaphyte | zink: why do you say that? |
| 00:59.24 | jeremiahzg | just wanted to plug in my USB cellphone and use it as a modem without rebooting to get it detected |
| 00:59.29 | jeremiahzg | ah well, brb reboot |
| 00:59.43 | zinx | lunaphyte: all the security advisories issued for it when it was actually popular? :/ |
| 00:59.51 | devhell | ok then, mutt and/or pine.. that would be a personal choice. any other mailready I could try? |
| 01:00.02 | devhell | under console! |
| 01:00.04 | devhell | sorry.. |
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| 01:01.15 | Wingard | Is there a way to completely restore all of KDE's settings to their defaults? |
| 01:01.27 | lunaphyte | zinx: yeah, true - i had forgotten :) - i guess it just holds a special place in my heart even given it's flaws. kind of like a 3 legged dog... |
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| 01:01.43 | pgpkeys | rmdir ~/.kde |
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| 01:02.03 | pgpkeys | unless debian has changed the default, KDE stores all of it's config data under that directory |
| 01:02.19 | nkuttler | Wingard: you may want to keep a backup of that dir |
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| 01:02.38 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help earlier, i seem to have successfully installed dovecot alongside courier. |
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| 01:02.50 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:03.12 | lunaphyte | yay? |
| 01:03.32 | devhell | ok, thank you lunaphyte and abrotman for your help =) bye! |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | we helped? |
| 01:03.52 | devhell | yes you did! ;) |
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| 01:04.32 | enouf | !blame abrotman |
| 01:04.32 | dpkg | blames Georgy32 and abrotman for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 01:04.37 | lunaphyte | i had stumbled across a command the other day that presented an ncurses based interface for managing services/runlevels, but now i can't recall it. what might it have been? |
| 01:04.46 | abrotman | rcconf ? |
| 01:04.49 | Linuturk | abrotman: ok, I must be answering these questions wrong |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | Linuturk: it's quite possible |
| 01:05.08 | enouf | !sysv-rc-conf |
| 01:05.09 | dpkg | It has been said that sysv-rc-conf is; zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz :: Do an "apt-get install sysv-rc-conf" to use the TUI runlevel curses-based config utility. Also ask me about <rcconf> (a simpler ncurses TUI tool, meant for default runlevel control [2] config), ..ask me about <sysv-rc>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>, <runlevels>, and <services>, or "/msg dpkg reference" for a nice full |
| 01:05.14 | abrotman | IIRC the questions are sometimes worded poorly |
| 01:05.30 | percival[xi] | lunaphyte: sysv-rc-conf? |
| 01:05.32 | abrotman | nice full? bag of rocks? |
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| 01:05.47 | lunaphyte | i hate the internet. |
| 01:06.14 | enouf | rcconf is nicer looking but really only for runlevel 2 (on/off), but that's all one should need, right? |
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| 01:07.29 | lunaphyte | tui? text user interface? |
| 01:07.51 | Linuturk | abrotman: I'm not spliting it into seperat files; Internet site; system mail name: onitato.com; ip addresses for incoming smtp connections: blank; other destinations for which mail is accepted: mail.onitato.com; domains to relay mail for: blank; machines to relay mail for: blank; No DNS queries (dial on demand); maildir format; |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | domains to relay mail for: blank; .. that may be wrong |
| 01:08.34 | Linuturk | what should I set that to? |
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| 01:09.33 | abrotman | onitato.com .. maybe |
| 01:09.38 | Linuturk | It says "Do not mention local domains here." |
| 01:10.16 | lunaphyte | ah - thanks for the clues - it was sysvconfig |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | Linuturk: i'm not sure if that means localhost.localdomain or the name of the mailserver ? |
| 01:11.27 | Linuturk | abrotman: well, onitato.com doesn't work :-/ |
| 01:11.31 | lunaphyte | i'd imagine domains to relay mail for refers to the relay_domains parameter. you can generally leave that blank. |
| 01:11.47 | enouf | heh, /etc/sysconfig |
| 01:12.24 | osenvironment | heheh,i was fooled by google |
| 01:12.35 | enouf | would you also like an rpm for that? :-p |
| 01:12.46 | enouf | that's ok, google works for the nsa |
| 01:13.01 | osenvironment | http://www.google.cn/intl/zh-CN/renrou/index.html |
| 01:13.01 | enouf | so you're safe |
| 01:13.02 | lunaphyte | besides, all of those answers are just postfix settings that can be set to whatever you like after it's installed anyway, so the answers you supply at that point can be trivial. |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | lunaphyte: it's exim4 |
| 01:13.31 | lunaphyte | my apologies. |
| 01:13.52 | lunaphyte | (meaning sorry for jumping to conclusions). |
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| 01:13.58 | Linuturk | any other ideas? I've got the firewall open to accept smtp |
| 01:14.24 | abrotman | Linuturk: it's not working if you do |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | ignore me |
| 01:14.42 | abrotman | oh .. no .. it's not working |
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| 01:14.50 | abrotman | wtf ... that's a goofy system |
| 01:15.01 | Linuturk | what abrotman ? |
| 01:15.19 | abrotman | it's working .. just took like 10 tries because my brain is tired |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | Linuturk: username ? |
| 01:15.46 | Linuturk | abrotman: for what? |
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| 01:15.54 | abrotman | bah .. i'll just try root |
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| 01:16.40 | abrotman | Linuturk: it hates me |
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| 01:18.02 | _vvd | :p |
| 01:18.06 | Linuturk | hmm, I'm confused. is there anything else I need to config after dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 01:18.46 | lunaphyte | !lobotomy abrotman |
| 01:18.46 | dpkg | pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on abrotman |
| 01:18.55 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:19.11 | lunaphyte | haha |
| 01:19.32 | lunaphyte | eats abrotman's prefrontal cortex. |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | Linuturk: can you paste your /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf in a pastebin ? |
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| 01:22.10 | enouf | lobes for dinner? |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | nibbler! |
| 01:22.30 | enouf | or would it be lobos, :-P |
| 01:22.53 | lunaphyte | a friend of mine named his dog nibbler. |
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| 01:23.17 | enouf | my friend named his dog dog |
| 01:23.21 | Linuturk | http://pastebin.ca/965557 abrotman |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | enouf: i know a girl who named her dog .. Princess Dee Oh Gee |
| 01:25.14 | abrotman | Linuturk: yep .. i'm stumped |
| 01:25.28 | abrotman | enouf: say that outloud .. done? |
| 01:25.36 | Linuturk | abrotman: well, crap |
| 01:25.46 | abrotman | Linuturk: IMO postfix is way easier |
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| 01:26.19 | abrotman | Linuturk: so you can either try #exim to see what they say .. wait in here for a exim powerhouse user! .. or try postfix |
| 01:26.41 | Linuturk | ok, thx |
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| 01:28.49 | enouf | Gee, a surname too? |
| 01:28.55 | nevyn | Linuturk: there were a number of presentations on exim at LCA over the years I think '05 in particular had quite a few. |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | enouf: now spell "dog" .. feel dumb? :) |
| 01:29.31 | enouf | nope, my gf named her dog princess :-P |
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| 01:31.25 | abrotman | enouf: D O G .. Dee Oh Gee |
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| 01:31.48 | enouf | i know |
| 01:31.54 | enouf | thanks |
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| 01:33.27 | abrotman | spells other words for enouf |
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| 01:35.18 | badkins | Just followed the directions to build Ruby from source here: http://randomba.org/index.php/category/ruby/ but the step involving dpkg -i *.deb failed due to dependencies which didn't actually surprise me. |
| 01:35.21 | enouf | it's not a tumah |
| 01:35.38 | badkins | How install a handful of deb's w/o having dependency issues? |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | badkins: didn't someone tell you earlier to use the simple sid backport ? |
| 01:36.15 | badkins | yes, and others recommended building from source. I chose the latter to gain some experience. |
| 01:36.21 | enouf | it's a lobo |
| 01:36.49 | badkins | I'm used to: ./configure; make; make install, so I wanted to get that mode of operation to work nicely with debian dependencies - I thought that page did that. |
| 01:36.59 | dustybin | isnt it about time the email protocol is changed / updated: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7322615.stm |
| 01:37.38 | enouf | considers creating a new qotd and bash,org |
| 01:37.46 | badkins | And actually, the /msg dpkg thing said: "If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your |
| 01:37.46 | badkins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:38.02 | enouf | has made up his mind ;-) |
| 01:38.05 | badkins | what the heck???' |
| 01:38.49 | badkins | geez, it was like 3 lines I pasted :( |
| 01:39.00 | badkins | and some bot kicks me off... |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | yes .. don't paste |
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| 01:39.59 | badkins | anyway the question about installing a collection of debs is more general than the Ruby backport vs. source question. Given a set of debs, how would one install them in the correct order? |
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| 01:40.22 | abrotman | dpkg -i first.deb second.deb third.deb |
| 01:40.23 | dpkg | removes a speen from abrotman and replaces it with first.deb second.deb third.deb |
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| 01:40.27 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 01:40.27 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 01:40.52 | badkins | funny, how does one determine the order though? |
| 01:41.06 | badkins | w/o tons of trial and error |
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| 01:41.57 | badkins | apg-get source -b ruby1.8 built 14 debs that have to be installed, but they have various dependencies |
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| 01:42.34 | badkins | I guess I could start drawing a tree by hand, but that seems ridiculous |
| 01:42.54 | badkins | a depends on b & c, c depends on d, e, & f; etc. |
| 01:42.57 | abrotman | badkins: you install them all at once |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | just like i said |
| 01:43.13 | badkins | yes, that's what I tried: dpkg -i *.deb which failed due to dependencies |
| 01:43.20 | abrotman | then show us the error |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | we can't help if you're vague |
| 01:43.36 | badkins | how do I do that without getting kicked off by the paste bot? |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:43.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 01:43.55 | badkins | sheesh |
| 01:45.06 | badkins | dpkg: error processing libopenssl-ruby1.8_1.8.6.... conflicting packages - not installing libopenssl-ruby1.8 |
| 01:45.06 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 01:45.21 | abrotman | not helpful |
| 01:45.37 | badkins | agreed |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | so either use a pastebin .. or figure it out yourself |
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| 01:46.34 | badkins | if I'm hearing you correctly that normally dpkg -i *.deb should work, then I don't mind going off on my own to figure this out. So that *should* resolve dependencies if all the packages are in *.deb, yes? |
| 01:47.09 | badkins | i.e. I don't need to order them, it will look at the whole list and do things in the proper order based on dependencies, right? |
| 01:47.18 | abrotman | aptitude -f install .. |
| 01:47.40 | badkins | is that a no? |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | your package conflicts with something else .. but since you won't paste the whole thing .. i can't actually see if there is any other useful information |
| 01:47.59 | abrotman | goes to watch paint dry |
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| 01:48.15 | stew | badkins: it doesn't need to order them. as long as the set you are installing is a compatible set of packages |
| 01:48.16 | Akuw | i need to apt sources of debian |
| 01:48.19 | badkins | that's fine, I'm not expecting you to solve my problem, I just want to know if dpkg -i *.deb *should* work normally. |
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| 01:49.04 | stew | badkins: it should, if all of the dependencies are there. if there are missing dependencies, it will leave the packages unconfigured and "aptitude -f install" will fix the dependencies and finish the installation of the packages left half-configured |
| 01:49.09 | badkins | ok, so if a depends on b and b depends on c & d, and I do dpkg -i a.deb b.deb c.deb d.deb, it won't fail a because d isn't installed then. |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | no .. it will do "d" first |
| 01:49.51 | stew | no, it will do them all at once |
| 01:49.57 | badkins | whew! that was like pulling teeth, but thanks :) |
| 01:50.09 | badkins | how can it do them all at once, I only have 1 cpu ;) |
| 01:50.21 | stew | 1 transaction |
| 01:50.23 | abrotman | stew: it finishes d first though ? |
| 01:50.25 | badkins | it must do them in *some* order |
| 01:50.27 | stew | abrotman: no |
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| 01:50.55 | badkins | so it's like turning off constraints in the database until it's all done, then it checks before committing? |
| 01:51.16 | stew | it doesn't completely install one before starting another. it does several at once |
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| 01:54.07 | stew | if c PRE-depends on d, then you might have an ordering |
| 01:54.07 | badkins | Ok, here's the result of aptitude -f install, looks like it wants to revert a bunch of packages :( http://pastebin.ca/965596 |
| 01:54.21 | stew | otherwise it does several at once |
| 01:54.32 | stew | think about how you can make several sandwiches at once. put down several pieces of bread. spread some crabpaste on each, add some cheese to each... |
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| 01:54.58 | enouf | crabpaste? |
| 01:55.09 | stew | badkins: you don't have to accept that solution, you could try another. or get more control by running the aptitude frontend |
| 01:55.18 | abrotman | wonders where the 1.8 came from |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | doh .. misread numbers |
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| 01:55.47 | stew | !crabpastesmite enouf |
| 01:55.47 | dpkg | pushes crabpaste up enouf's nostrils |
| 01:55.50 | badkins | I had previously installed the etch ruby packages so 1.8.5 was installed. |
| 01:55.56 | enouf | takes away abrotman 's rum candy for the evening |
| 01:56.00 | abrotman | seems the whole thing hinges on libruby1.8 |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. seriously |
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| 01:56.18 | abrotman | enouf: it's this baseball thing .. got me all wound up! |
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| 01:56.38 | badkins | did I need to uninstall the existing ruby packages first? :( |
| 01:56.56 | badkins | thinks he should have just configured and maked like the old days |
| 01:56.56 | enouf | b00s and hisses to resimulate the Bush pitch on opening day |
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| 01:57.05 | abrotman | enouf: it was entertaining |
| 01:58.04 | enouf | the major news media b0z0s wouldn't even replay it like they do with lindsay lohan crap and whatnot |
| 01:58.15 | enouf | wusses |
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| 02:00.59 | TromBoeZoe | Hi, i am trying to make a DOS Floppy with a 1.4 MB file on to it.... since like 4-5 hours, and just cannot find out how to work it out |
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| 02:01.42 | abrotman | TromBoeZoe: mkfs.vfat |
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| 02:02.11 | TromBoeZoe | and how do i put the file on it all in one swup |
| 02:02.57 | abrotman | you have to mount it first |
| 02:03.02 | enouf | you need DOS? or is it preformatted? i just mke2fs /dev/fd0 .. but whatever |
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| 02:03.45 | \amethyst | TromBoeZoe: is the file a floppy image, or a file you want to put in the filesystem? |
| 02:04.00 | TromBoeZoe | .tgz |
| 02:04.44 | TromBoeZoe | it is .TGZ |
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| 02:04.52 | \amethyst | TromBoeZoe: use mkfs.vfat first to create a filesystem, then either mount the floppy and copy the file there, or use mcopy |
| 02:04.58 | TromBoeZoe | so it isnt red colored in my terminal |
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| 02:06.32 | TromBoeZoe | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.49 | enouf | usb floppy? |
| 02:06.55 | TromBoeZoe | yup |
| 02:07.04 | enouf | oh, it's you |
| 02:07.21 | TromBoeZoe | and its you |
| 02:07.23 | TromBoeZoe | :D |
| 02:07.26 | enouf | last time your file was 1.7+MB |
| 02:07.31 | \amethyst | TromBoeZoe: then, as long as you're certain /dev/sda is the floppy, use -I as it suggests |
| 02:07.34 | TromBoeZoe | found something new |
| 02:10.15 | enouf | a bunion? |
| 02:11.28 | TromBoeZoe | i tried it out with 1.722 MBs... and just couldnt get it goin... so i searched around and found another OS that fits.... if i can ever get installed ;) |
| 02:11.40 | TromBoeZoe | bunion ? |
| 02:11.58 | enouf | floppyfw? |
| 02:12.08 | TromBoeZoe | whats that ? |
| 02:12.18 | enouf | google |
| 02:12.34 | tarkus | im trying to decide between sticking with linux or switching to mac. i know that ill get some biased opinions in here. but i just want some reasoning to my decision. i mainly do web development, multimedia A/V programming, and some interface/print type of design. what do you think? |
| 02:12.40 | enouf | it's a floppy firewall |
| 02:13.24 | enouf | we're not allowed to sell OSes in here, sorry |
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| 02:14.35 | TromBoeZoe | basiclinux |
| 02:14.48 | enouf | deli, feather, vectot |
| 02:14.52 | enouf | er vector |
| 02:15.05 | TromBoeZoe | lol |
| 02:15.43 | TromBoeZoe | has PCMCIA support, from there on i could look on maybe for DSL |
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| 02:15.50 | TromBoeZoe | damns.... |
| 02:16.14 | \amethyst | tarkus: What kind of 'multimedia A/V programming'? Targetting what platform ? |
| 02:16.15 | enouf | grml.org/faq ? |
| 02:16.20 | TromBoeZoe | since the floppy netwerkinstall is based on other OS's ... |
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| 02:16.55 | enouf | "4.3.Creating Floppies from Disk Images" http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 02:17.08 | \amethyst | a .tgz isn't a disk image though |
| 02:17.22 | tarkus | \amethyst, processing audio and composing. things like MAX/MSP and hopefully i will get my hands on a monome device to interface with pd or max (depending on if i use linux or mac) |
| 02:17.24 | enouf | he doesn't know what he wants |
| 02:17.50 | enouf | and a disk image could be anything |
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| 02:18.15 | jaggy- | hibernate command doesn't work on my system.. takes me to kde's x11 user-login |
| 02:18.20 | TromBoeZoe | time will tell, i read a bit on debian and 40MB, and you were right 48 is minimum in my case |
| 02:18.49 | jaggy- | what happened to shutdown->hibernate like I have in my old old ubuntu system? (this is straight debian this time.. etch) |
| 02:18.59 | enouf | openmoko? |
| 02:19.02 | TromBoeZoe | in the .tgz is usr lib ... |
| 02:19.10 | abrotman | there's a distro list at lwn.net |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | jaggy-: is acpid installed ? |
| 02:19.27 | tarkus | \amethyst, not sure what you meant by "Targetting what platform?" though. |
| 02:19.46 | jaggy- | checking |
| 02:20.00 | \amethyst | tarkus: I thought you were talking about writing flash animations or something like that, my bad |
| 02:20.00 | enouf | TromBoeZoe: that's etch though, sarge is oldstable not supported, but you could maybe install sarge and upgrade some stuffs? |
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| 02:20.20 | jaggy- | yeah.. it's installed |
| 02:20.36 | enouf | acpi-support |
| 02:20.52 | enouf | acpi-support-* |
| 02:21.08 | jaggy- | not installed.. installing now |
| 02:21.23 | TromBoeZoe | sarge?? Is it still available |
| 02:21.26 | enouf | laptop-mode? dunno even what that is |
| 02:21.46 | enouf | TromBoeZoe: find it, it's out there , sdn , ado |
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| 02:22.10 | jaggy- | I hope this is okay at install: udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
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| 02:22.27 | tarkus | \amethyst, ahh, k. i mean i probably would if there was something similar for linux. just a simple api for creating interactive media like that. |
| 02:22.39 | tarkus | \amethyst, its not something i need though. so it doesnt matter. |
| 02:23.42 | tarkus | \amethyst, im just having a hard time deciding whether i should continue using linux, like if ill spend all this time learning and using it, when there is actually a beter workflow in mac osx the whole time that i never explored.. so i would just end up switching sooner or later anyways. im just trying to address this.. |
| 02:25.32 | tarkus | (i dont want to spend time working with somehthing thats "less suitable" for me) |
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| 02:26.46 | abrotman | tarkus: FWIW .. you can run linux in a VM on OSX or something likethat |
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| 02:27.52 | tarkus | abrotman, yeah. i wouldnt buy a mac unless i was going to solely use osx though. |
| 02:28.03 | tarkus | otherwise i would rather have a Thinkpad+Linux |
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| 02:28.23 | abrotman | good man! |
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| 02:28.34 | abrotman | tarkus: you could do like i did .. get a mini and let it sit your closet :) |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | and that was even after i put debian on it |
| 02:29.16 | badkins | I have no idea what state my system is in after the previous attempt to install ruby from source, but I just tried apt-get source -b ruby1.8; dpkg -i *.deb, and here is the result. Anything obvious stand out? http://pastebin.ca/965639 |
| 02:29.28 | tarkus | hmm. what do you use your system for? im wondering why you found the mac not as good. |
| 02:29.45 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:29.52 | nevyn | tarkus: At the end of the day it's your decision. What's important to you may make linux not the correct choice. |
| 02:29.57 | abrotman | tarkus: i don't do any graphics work .. it was really just for the hardware ... and it was a project machine |
| 02:30.14 | tarkus | ah yes. |
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| 02:31.00 | tarkus | i only do very simple graphics work. and some audio work.. but this is all for personall projects. i only really NEED a good environment for development for web, interfaces, and ajax, python, etc.. |
| 02:31.33 | nevyn | tarkus: I'm a sysadmin and network admin mostly. I buy into free software philosophy and think it's important for a bunch of non-technical reasons. but sometimes even I wonder if I could have achieved a result in half the time or less with proprietary software. and then I have to say. how do I justify billing the time for my principles to a client who just needed the job done. |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | i do use my thinkpad for basic audio work |
| 02:31.57 | abrotman | nevyn: you'd bill your clients less? |
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| 02:32.04 | abrotman | possibly |
| 02:32.16 | nevyn | abrotman: problem. that makes my wife angry. |
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| 02:32.26 | abrotman | nevyn: tell her to bill more! |
| 02:32.41 | nevyn | at the end of the day ABME. |
| 02:33.03 | encryptz | does anyone know why grabbing .pdiffs from mirrors.kernel.org would download at 10KB/s, but the .debs at 950KB/s? |
| 02:33.16 | encryptz | i thought the .pdiffs were supposed to be more efficient. ã |
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| 02:33.29 | pipeline | nevyn: justify it? just make up bullshit. More hours = more profit, ostensibly. If that is not the case, your model sucks ;) |
| 02:33.49 | pipeline | encryptz: Their use case is folks updating daily or hourly over a modem. |
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| 02:34.00 | pipeline | encryptz: the 10 kb/s is the average - there's a lot of time burnt setting up and tearing down connections. |
| 02:34.11 | nevyn | pipeline: god forbid we be accountable to customers for what they're paying. |
| 02:34.34 | badkins | is wondering what apt-get source -b buys over just building :( |
| 02:34.35 | pipeline | nevyn: Oh, sure, you're accountable. But if you prefer free software for intangible reasons, all you're beholden to the customer for is an explanation. |
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| 02:34.57 | Rizz0-X | evening, just re-installed debian lenny, and all i can get out of my display is 800x600, can someone help please, thanks |
| 02:34.57 | encryptz | pipeline: but why just the .pdiffs? wouldn't heavy connection affect all bandwidth traffic? |
| 02:35.01 | tarkus | nevyn, have you tried a proprietary workflow compared to what you do with opensource? |
| 02:35.23 | nevyn | tarkus: I don't have the sortof workflow someone in your world does. |
| 02:35.31 | nevyn | hrm.. |
| 02:35.33 | pipeline | encryptz: sure, it increases the total traffic a little |
| 02:35.34 | nevyn | actually I have |
| 02:35.40 | pipeline | encryptz: but it's a lot lot less than downloading a 4M bundle ever ytime |
| 02:35.44 | nevyn | I worked in a ITIL shop that used openview. |
| 02:35.56 | pipeline | nevyn: ok, haha, there's no replacement for that stack |
| 02:35.58 | nevyn | it was better than the system in use in this free software shop |
| 02:36.06 | encryptz | pipeline: would you reccomend a different server, or just using the inefficient way of grabbing updates? |
| 02:36.13 | pipeline | RT+Nagios or RT+OpenNMS just ain't going to cut it next to openview + openview :P |
| 02:36.36 | pipeline | encryptz: Either set up a cron job to do hourly update, or do it the ugly way. |
| 02:36.41 | nevyn | pipeline: we have NIH project management software. |
| 02:36.45 | abrotman | !tell encryptz about apt-spy |
| 02:36.48 | nevyn | pipeline: special++ |
| 02:36.57 | pipeline | nevyn: ewww |
| 02:36.59 | encryptz | abrotman: i'm using apt-spy now to find a better server |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | kernel.org sucks IMO |
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| 02:37.35 | encryptz | heh. the downloads come down the pipe crazy fast. just the .pdiffs are painfully slow |
| 02:37.39 | Rizz0-X | evening, just re-installed debian lenny, and all i can get out of my display is 800x600, can someone help please, thanks |
| 02:38.14 | nevyn | pipeline: our current major gripes are tasks don't have state (other than open or closed) and it makes it easy for a task comment to go to the customer rather than internal. |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | card/driver? |
| 02:38.27 | pipeline | encryptz: it's just the pdiffs. A TCP three way handshake and an HTTP connection take some time. |
| 02:38.27 | Rizz0-X | abrotman:: me??? |
| 02:38.41 | pipeline | encryptz: if you do it more often, it's less of a PITA, because less pdiffs queue up |
| 02:39.03 | pipeline | encryptz: the less often you run "apt-get update", the more you will want to do the full update sans pdiffs. The more often you do it, the more the advantage of pdiffs. |
| 02:39.06 | encryptz | pipeline: i do it just about every other day. sometimes daily, if i can get to my box |
| 02:39.19 | pipeline | encryptz: well, you can just set up a cron job to do it daily or hourly. It's just easiest that way. |
| 02:39.25 | nevyn | that said openview had some major suck. the whole you can't exit the endtime for a change if it's before the starttime for a change stuff drove me NUTS |
| 02:39.33 | encryptz | pipeline: yeah. i guess so |
| 02:39.33 | pipeline | encryptz: I'm not talking about the upgrade itself, just the update, so that your local apt cache knows what's in the repos. |
| 02:40.01 | pipeline | nevyn: wouldn't know, don't have money for openview ticket tracking :) |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | pipeline: you should bill more |
| 02:40.29 | nevyn | pipeline: it validated too early basically. |
| 02:40.45 | nevyn | pipeline: do you have openview? |
| 02:41.37 | pipeline | abrotman: Can't bill for ticket tracking, and it's hard to make the value proposition in monitoring. |
| 02:41.49 | pipeline | nevyn: Evaluated openview twice, balked at the price twice :X |
| 02:41.57 | Rizz0-X | evening, just re-installed debian lenny, and all i can get out of my display is 800x600, can someone help please, thanks |
| 02:43.41 | nevyn | pipeline: it's better than what I have now but it's not that much better than RT+(OpenNMS|Nagios) |
| 02:44.06 | pipeline | nevyn: hah. I'm really happy with RT. It doesn't do very much, but what little it covers, it does *really well* |
| 02:44.10 | nevyn | pipeline: the only thing that's sortof better is if you're all ITIL'd up. |
| 02:44.27 | pipeline | nevyn: a place where RT falls down really badly. The amount of work to make that thing play the ITIL game is mind-boggling. |
| 02:44.33 | nevyn | yeah |
| 02:44.39 | pipeline | but ticket systems are expensive as hell |
| 02:44.41 | pipeline | and mostly awful |
| 02:44.44 | nevyn | yep |
| 02:45.00 | tarkus | has anyone here used any of novell's software like groupwise? |
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| 02:46.07 | abrotman | tarkus: don't |
| 02:46.21 | Kaiten4 | I need to write a .img file to a partition on a usb flash drive, when I use the command dd if=file.img to of=/dev/sda1 it corrupts the partition/filesystem consistancy. |
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| 02:46.55 | tarkus | abrotman, ? |
| 02:48.17 | nkuttler | Kaiten4: loop mount it + cp? |
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| 02:48.50 | Kaiten4 | nkuttler: Sounds good |
| 02:49.05 | nevyn | pipeline: I don't get how ITIL works with a good automation framework. |
| 02:49.54 | pipeline | nevyn: don't look at me, I barely get ITIL at all |
| 02:50.20 | nevyn | I kinda miss ITIL here. |
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| 02:50.41 | nevyn | it's a warm insulation layer between you and screwups. |
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| 02:51.07 | Kaiten4 | Any idea what filessytem type a .img file be? |
| 02:51.16 | Rizz0-X | evening, just re-installed debian lenny, and all i can get out of my display is 800x600, can someone help please, thanks |
| 02:51.29 | nevyn | Kaiten4: run file on it. |
| 02:51.42 | nevyn | Rizz0-X: video card? |
| 02:51.49 | Rizz0-X | 3dfx |
| 02:51.52 | Rizz0-X | voodoo 3 |
| 02:52.00 | Kaiten4 | x86 boot sector... |
| 02:52.03 | Rizz0-X | never had this prob with etch |
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| 02:52.57 | pgpkeys | whoa! someone still runnin the old voodoos! nice! |
| 02:52.58 | Kaiten4 | Rizz0-X: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:53.08 | Rizz0-X | aiight i give that a try |
| 02:54.01 | Kaiten4 | binary.img: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 0, startsector 1, 378879 sectors |
| 02:54.08 | Kaiten4 | What filesystem would that be? |
| 02:54.32 | nkuttler | Kaiten4: hm, could it be that there's a boot sector + a partition in that image? |
| 02:54.48 | Kaiten4 | nkuttler: makes sense |
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| 02:55.02 | nkuttler | Kaiten4: what's the exact dd error? |
| 02:55.06 | Kaiten4 | nkuttler: I tried writting directly to /dev/sda but it doesn't work |
| 02:55.17 | Kaiten4 | nkuttler: there isn't any, the filesystem just gets corrupted |
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| 02:55.34 | nkuttler | Kaiten4: sounds like your image is bad |
| 02:55.37 | Kaiten4 | probably a raw write destroying the partition table and filesystem information |
| 02:55.50 | nkuttler | Kaiten4: well... that's to be expected |
| 02:55.51 | Kaiten4 | I'll consider it |
| 02:56.34 | Kaiten4 | the image is a bootable debian for live systems, the wiki tells me to create the paritions, filesystems, then dd the image over |
| 02:57.53 | Kaiten4 | I'm perfoming the act again, to tell if it's really not bootable |
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| 03:10.15 | tarkus | nevyn: so what do you think? should i just continue using linux? |
| 03:10.42 | tarkus | i would like to think that my workflow with it now is better than what most people are doing in mac. but i have no clue, never used one. |
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| 03:27.23 | deadlyninja | my ssh X11 forwarding isnt working, ive followed all the tutorials about enabling ForwardX11 in sshd.conf, but it still doesnt work. the DISPLAY variable is not being set on the machine that i am ssh'ing into. |
| 03:27.31 | deadlyninja | anyone know why this might be happening? |
| 03:28.45 | elif | hi, how do I install xmms in testing ? can't find the package, just xmms2 that I can't use it in any sense. |
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| 03:31.22 | trini8miam1 | hello ppl i would like to know what debian is mainly used for |
| 03:31.56 | ice63 | what ? |
| 03:33.27 | Tramp | deadlyninja: run ssh with options -vv and pastebin the output |
| 03:33.30 | pgpkeys | same thing any linux is used for. whatever you want to use a computer operating system for |
| 03:34.10 | ice63 | elif, jest google for xmms2 you find it ... |
| 03:34.17 | trini8miam1 | i see that most of the destros today are baste on debian i=and im installing it now to learn it but to be prepard i would like to know what do most ppl use it for |
| 03:34.53 | kunwon1 | pornography |
| 03:35.04 | Tramp | deadlyninja: also make sure, that you either specify -X or or enable X11 forwarding in the ssh_config (client side) |
| 03:35.26 | pgpkeys | not meaning to be mean, people use it for the same thing they use windows for. to run their hardware and do useful things with. useful being subjective and dependant on what the user considers useful |
| 03:35.35 | elif | ice63: Well, I acttually did some search, but still think I wouldn't like to have an xmms deamon running just to listenning some music. |
| 03:35.43 | ice63 | kunwon1, how did you know ? |
| 03:36.07 | kunwon1 | ice63, I have powerful powers of mentation |
| 03:36.16 | ice63 | lol |
| 03:36.28 | pgpkeys | i read that as menstration |
| 03:36.32 | amphi | trini8miam1: whatever they use computers for |
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| 03:36.49 | Guerin | pgpkeys: congratulations, you're 12 inside! |
| 03:36.57 | pgpkeys | hah! |
| 03:38.13 | deadlyninja | Tramp, http://pastebin.com/d314cc193 |
| 03:38.21 | tarkus | trini8miam1, what pgpkeys said. but if you want to know what its particularly good at. its a common distro for web servers, and its extensible, just like any other distro. although as i gather it has a larger volume repository. not sure what else to say since i've never used debian (yet) |
| 03:38.54 | amphi | trini8miam1: I run it on my laptop |
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| 03:39.03 | deadlyninja | Tramp, when i run xterm i get "cant open display, DISPLAY not set" |
| 03:39.11 | Tramp | deadlyninja: debug1: Remote: No xauth program (line 96) |
| 03:39.16 | tarkus | amphi, how is it? i just ordered a Thinkpad T61, gonna put debian on it. |
| 03:39.22 | tarkus | is the battery life in linux ok? |
| 03:39.42 | amphi | tarkus: sure, if you tweak it; powertop is worth having |
| 03:39.51 | deadlyninja | Tramp, i must be missing some essential xlib stuff, thanks for helping out |
| 03:39.52 | tarkus | alright, good to know |
| 03:39.53 | amphi | tarkus: uhci_hcd is bad news |
| 03:40.01 | n3kl | When I try to mount an nfs4 share, the permissions on the client show up as user and group 4294967294, which I think is user nobody, but I don't know how to correct this. |
| 03:40.07 | amphi | tarkus: I'm running it on an X61s here |
| 03:40.07 | n3kl | Can someone help? |
| 03:40.12 | Tramp | deadlyninja: xauth is in xbase-clients (if the remote end is debian) |
| 03:40.23 | tarkus | amphi, ah, that must be nice |
| 03:40.31 | deadlyninja | Tramp, the remote is debian, the local is gentoo |
| 03:40.43 | Guerin | n3kl: read the nfs doc and look up `squash' |
| 03:40.54 | trini8miam1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.06 | amphi | tarkus: I'm pleased with the thing; I had a T42 before, but I prefer the smaller machine |
| 03:41.14 | n3kl | Guerin: I have, I have also done no_root_squash, which if I have read the manpage correctly, means that there is no squashing happening. |
| 03:41.36 | Tramp | deadlyninja: ok. Then installing xbase-clients on the remote-end should fix the problem (hopefully) |
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| 03:41.42 | amphi | tarkus: even the low power core 2 duo seems very quick |
| 03:41.43 | tarkus | trini8miam1, because im about to switch to using debian (im an arch linux and ubuntu user) |
| 03:41.49 | Level1Tech | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:42.06 | trini8miam1 | how do i use it as a server |
| 03:42.07 | xuser | is it ok to run alsaconf in debian? |
| 03:43.13 | trini8miam1 | and what can i do with a server |
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| 03:43.40 | tarkus | trini8miam1, wikipedia would give you a solid answer to these. |
| 03:43.43 | amphi | trini8miam1: listen on ports? |
| 03:44.12 | trini8miam1 | amphi: what do you nean |
| 03:44.22 | amphi | trini8miam1: never mind |
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| 03:44.41 | Wingard | How do I change from kdm to gdm? I already have it installed. |
| 03:44.56 | trini8miam1 | amphi: no tell me pls |
| 03:45.06 | n3kl | Anyone know why with squashing turned off, my nfs4 clients are still seeing the default anonymous user id? |
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| 03:45.41 | tarkus | trini8miam1, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_%28computing%29 |
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| 03:47.44 | trini8miam1 | ok i got a question i have alot of books about linux but i cant understant some of the command and when i put them in some of them dont work |
| 03:48.26 | deadlyninja | Tramp, that did the trick, thanks a lot |
| 03:48.41 | Tramp | yw. |
| 03:49.32 | tarkus | trini8miam1, ok. whats the question though? |
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| 03:50.00 | trini8miam1 | im installing debian know on vmware is there anything i should know before i start to learn debian |
| 03:50.52 | amphi | !tell trini8miam1 -about grounding |
| 03:51.08 | trini8miam1 | grounding? |
| 03:51.11 | tarkus | not really, just have documentation to follow and do everything slowly to soak it in. |
| 03:51.13 | trini8miam1 | pls tell |
| 03:51.25 | tarkus | haha |
| 03:51.55 | prolix | !grounding |
| 03:51.55 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 03:52.57 | trini8miam1 | dpkg reference newbiedoc |
| 03:53.09 | prolix | you have to type the /msg part, too |
| 03:53.30 | nevyn | tarkus: the problem is that the cost of investigation is 4 weeks of substandard productivity |
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| 03:53.37 | trini8miam1 | msg dpkg reference newbiedoc |
| 03:53.44 | prolix | with the / |
| 03:53.57 | tarkus | nevyn, hmm? |
| 03:54.41 | nevyn | tarkus: working out if an alternative workflow is better than your current workflow |
| 03:55.14 | tarkus | oh, yes. |
| 03:55.16 | trini8miam1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.31 | prolix | fee-fie-foe-fum |
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| 03:55.50 | nevyn | tarkus: if alternative is 30% but half as efficient initially (while you're learning it) it's a hard equasion that only you can answer accuratly |
| 03:56.19 | tarkus | 30% of what? |
| 03:56.44 | tarkus | you mean 30% as efficient as the prop/standard workfow? |
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| 03:57.28 | tarkus | oh, nvrm. i think i understand what you're saying |
| 03:57.36 | nevyn | 30% more efficient |
| 03:57.38 | nevyn | once learnt |
| 03:57.42 | tarkus | kk |
| 03:58.13 | Guerin | solution: farm more work onto your minions |
| 03:58.16 | nevyn | and you don't know until you've learnt it. and that's hard. |
| 03:58.32 | Guerin | and try new shit in the name of `potential process improvement' |
| 03:58.53 | tarkus | nevyn, i know that its better than my workflow in windows+dreamweaver and all that crap. |
| 03:59.11 | nevyn | tarkus: your linux workflow is? |
| 03:59.18 | tarkus | yes |
| 03:59.21 | tarkus | much better |
| 03:59.50 | nevyn | tarkus: that's really interesting.. have you written up that experience anywhere? |
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| 04:00.06 | Guerin | isn't shocked |
| 04:00.09 | trini8miam1 | i need a teach i will be a great aprentice |
| 04:00.11 | tarkus | about 2 years ago i was using win and prop software. then i just got linux out of curiosity and never went back since i became more productive and enjoyed it more. |
| 04:00.17 | tarkus | nevyn, nope. |
| 04:00.25 | nevyn | tarkus: do you have a blag? |
| 04:00.56 | Wingard | Is it possible to change from kdm to gdm? |
| 04:01.01 | tarkus | nevyn, but it could also be because i started learning on windows, switched to linux and then continued learning more (so its hard to say if it was my new linux workflow, or the fact that i am progressively learning more) |
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| 04:01.38 | Murdoc | !define computer |
| 04:01.42 | DeathWol1 | -!- An electronic, digital device that stores and processes information. |
| 04:01.55 | Guerin | Murdoc: turn your bot off or it will be banned |
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| 04:02.02 | nevyn | tarkus: this stuff is kinda OT for here. #workflow ? |
| 04:02.49 | elif | xmms2 is good Idea, but When we are just as an impatient user it sucks a lot. |
| 04:03.17 | tarkus | nevyn, its probably offtopic in any channel.. but since this is a linux channel, it seems more appropraite than most. |
| 04:03.28 | tarkus | either way i think i have decided on linux. |
| 04:03.42 | Guerin | tarkus: this isn't a linux channel, it's a debian channel |
| 04:04.05 | tarkus | just hope i wont regret it, etc.. |
| 04:04.22 | tarkus | Guerin, yeah. alright ill end this discussion then |
| 04:04.33 | tarkus | thanks for the talk guys. |
| 04:04.37 | Wingard | I suppose I'll ask one more time: How do I change from kdm to gdm? |
| 04:05.22 | Murdoc | !define defacto |
| 04:05.23 | DeathWol1 | -!- No results found |
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| 04:05.40 | nevyn | Wingard: apt-get install --reinstall gdm should do it. |
| 04:06.30 | netdaemon | Wingard, check the /etc/alternatives directory |
| 04:06.35 | netdaemon | there you will find your answer with an ls -l |
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| 04:07.28 | Guerin | !ops DeathWol1 is a bot |
| 04:07.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: DeathWol1 is a bot |
| 04:11.41 | Wingard | netdaemon, could you please elaborate? |
| 04:12.19 | netdaemon | just a moment, there is a command for it somewhere in the docs...let me find it |
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| 04:13.47 | netdaemon | Wingard, man update-alternatives |
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| 04:16.28 | themolester | is there a package or howto for creating a 32bit chroot on debian amd64? |
| 04:16.43 | Wingard | netdaemon, did I mention I'm a linux newb? I still don't really see what the command I should be running is. |
| 04:16.58 | netdaemon | ah, just a sec then |
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| 04:18.13 | netdaemon | Wingard, probably the easiest way for you then is to just remove kdm, it should update itself |
| 04:18.27 | netdaemon | but if thats not an option... |
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| 04:21.17 | netdaemon | update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 04:21.21 | netdaemon | should get you what you want |
| 04:21.40 | n3kl | Ok, I have tripple checked that there is no squashing on my nfs4 export. I have then also set the anonuid and anongid flags in case those are causing an issue. Then when I mount the nfs4 share from a client, its maps to the user and group of 4294967284. How can I fix this? |
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| 04:22.15 | n3kl | The user that is doing the mounting from the client has the same userid as that on the server, so this should eliminate issue of cross id mapping. |
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| 04:23.15 | Wingard | Thank you, that appears to have worked. |
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| 04:26.52 | netdaemon | no prob |
| 04:26.54 | netdaemon | brb |
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| 04:29.26 | netdaemon | why does nautilus not recognize emacs as a text editor? |
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| 04:34.01 | mhall | what's wrong here? i can't get this to work, i get bash: syntax error near unexpected token `fi'. --> for file in *; do if [ $file != "tools.txt" ]; cat $file; fi; done; |
| 04:35.31 | mhall | hmm... DeadChannelException |
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| 04:36.24 | kgoetz | mhall: 'help if' |
| 04:36.33 | kgoetz | you need something between ; and cat ;) |
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| 04:39.00 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 04:40.23 | mhall | kgoetz: thanks man |
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| 04:40.29 | mhall | kgoetz: works like a champ now |
| 04:40.52 | kgoetz | mhall: sweet :) nice work |
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| 04:47.04 | n3kl | Where can I set the default opts for useradd? |
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| 04:50.56 | eshaase | whats the most thorough way to scan my hard disk for errors? |
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| 04:59.11 | pgpkeys | use the manufacturer's diagnostic software |
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| 04:59.27 | pgpkeys | if you mean via the OS then fsck |
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| 04:59.42 | pgpkeys | don't have the partition mounted at the time |
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| 04:59.48 | nevyn | pgpkeys: badblocks |
| 05:00.15 | pgpkeys | that too |
| 05:01.25 | n3kl | Is there and automated debian installer or something? |
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| 05:03.55 | stew | !fai |
| 05:03.55 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 05:05.12 | nevyn | fai is also inferior to puppet for long term system management |
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| 05:05.43 | kgoetz | thats not its intended purpose though |
| 05:05.46 | k-man | is ftp.au.debian.org down? |
| 05:05.56 | n3kl | neat, thanks |
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| 05:12.47 | thundercles | hello? |
| 05:13.08 | kgoetz | !hi |
| 05:13.09 | dpkg | hello, kgoetz |
| 05:13.09 | abchirk | Heeeeeey thundercles :) :D |
| 05:13.17 | thundercles | hello, anyone here good with grub? |
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| 05:13.30 | abchirk | depends on what your need. :) |
| 05:13.41 | thundercles | well, I have debian installed normally on hda |
| 05:13.50 | thundercles | but I just got a killer deal on a couple sata drives |
| 05:13.55 | thundercles | so I made them a raid 0 |
| 05:13.59 | thundercles | which the bios is handling |
| 05:14.18 | thundercles | but the bios wont boot off them, but that's fine because I'm cool with letting my debian hard drive handle all the booting |
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| 05:14.34 | thundercles | but I installed FC 8 on the raid0 array because I use fedora for music production |
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| 05:15.06 | thundercles | so I just need to configure grub on this hard drive to boot my raid array |
| 05:15.25 | thundercles | it's not letting me chainload normally, so I'm a little puzzled |
| 05:15.38 | dondelelcaro | thundercles: you can either have it boot the raid array using a kernel on the Debian system, or you can have it specifically mount the raid array's boot, and do it that way. |
| 05:15.41 | thundercles | but I don't run windows so I don't normallyhave to screw with it much |
| 05:15.46 | dondelelcaro | thundercles: however, the /boot can't be on a raid0. |
| 05:16.08 | dondelelcaro | (since there's no way for grub to know what the striping is) |
| 05:16.15 | thundercles | yeah, I was figuring that you just can't boot off a raid array |
| 05:16.29 | dondelelcaro | thundercles: you can, but not off of raid 0 or raid 5. Only raid 1. |
| 05:16.33 | thundercles | this is the first time I could ever afford to buy two of the same hard drive, so my first raid striping |
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| 05:16.57 | dondelelcaro | (usually you use a small /boot which is raid1 across all drives and then whatever else you're doing on the rest of the drive space) |
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| 05:17.36 | dondelelcaro | also, there's no real reason to use fedora just for music production; anything that you can do in fedora can be done in Debian. |
| 05:17.57 | thundercles | I know, but my realtime kernel I compiled in debian is having issues |
| 05:18.11 | thundercles | and using jack without realtime isn't the greatest |
| 05:19.01 | thundercles | I havn't done music production crap in over a year tho, my cousin said that there are some new kernel modules that help things out a bit |
| 05:19.03 | dondelelcaro | thundercles: you could just use the fedora rt kernel in Debian if you know it works. |
| 05:19.20 | dondelelcaro | but it really shouldn't matter much |
| 05:19.22 | niru | how can u give lilo and grub together |
| 05:19.28 | niru | is it is good idea to give |
| 05:19.41 | dondelelcaro | niru: you should just use one or the other. |
| 05:19.54 | thundercles | yeah, they would fight each other |
| 05:19.59 | niru | dondelelcaro, so we cant use both |
| 05:20.03 | thundercles | nope |
| 05:20.18 | thundercles | you shouldn't use lilo anyways unless you really really have to |
| 05:20.26 | thundercles | it's pretty much depreciated at this point by grub |
| 05:20.32 | niru | dondelelcaro, suppose i already have grub and want to use do I need to unisntall grub and then install lilo then what i have to do |
| 05:20.48 | thundercles | lmao lilo is still in the repo? |
| 05:21.06 | niru | thundercles, I had a Dell optiplex 320 |
| 05:21.08 | stew | thundercles: yes, there are still things you can do with lilo that you can't do with grub |
| 05:21.15 | niru | where grub was not working and lilo worked |
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| 05:21.59 | niru | thundercles, stew what is the way of using lilo and making it work |
| 05:22.15 | thundercles | well what do you have to do with lilo that grub can't do |
| 05:22.19 | dondelelcaro | niru: why don't you want to use grub? |
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| 05:22.45 | niru | dondelelcaro, I use grub but also what to know about lilo |
| 05:22.48 | stew | thundercles: i use it on one machine so i can have /boot on lvm. i use it on another machine where grub doesn't like the bios for whatever reason |
| 05:23.38 | thundercles | ahhh |
| 05:23.51 | thundercles | did you say that was on an optiplex? |
| 05:23.59 | thundercles | cause my headless server is an old optiplex |
| 05:24.02 | thundercles | and it grubs fine |
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| 05:25.51 | Guillaum3 | greets gents. |
| 05:26.06 | Guillaum3 | do you have a one-liner for me to get apache/php5/mysql5 going |
| 05:26.11 | Guillaum3 | (installed) |
| 05:26.54 | thundercles | apt-get install apache php5 mysql |
| 05:26.58 | thundercles | :-P |
| 05:26.58 | kgoetz | is there a lamp tasksel? |
| 05:27.03 | kgoetz | s/sel// |
| 05:27.42 | stew | Guillaum3: aptitude install libapahce2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
| 05:28.32 | schmirgo | hello, i recently switched from gentoo to debian on one machine. but i am a bit lost. i don't know which configure options were used for certain packages. the package search on debian.org did not show that information. where can i look that up? |
| 05:28.48 | Guillaum3 | thanks stew |
| 05:28.56 | kgoetz | schmirgo: what do you need to find out? |
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| 05:29.12 | tchaska | Anybody knows a program to show the statistics of internet connection only? (exclude the local network traffic) |
| 05:29.17 | schmirgo | i want to know if rtorrent was compiled with xmlrpc support |
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| 05:29.44 | kgoetz | two easy options are check its dependancies and see if its --version output tells you |
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| 05:30.39 | stew | schmirgo: if you wanted to see the exact options it was configured with, you'd have to get the source package with "apt-get source packagename" and look at the debian/rules file in the source package: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 05:30.49 | schmirgo | kgoetz, ok, thanks |
| 05:30.58 | stew | tchaska: iptraf can if you create filters |
| 05:31.06 | tchaska | thanks |
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| 05:31.51 | dondelelcaro | thundercles: keep it in one of the channels; I'm liable to wander away at any moment. |
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| 05:32.02 | schmirgo | stew, ok, i guess i will use that one. thanks a lot |
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| 05:37.08 | tchaska | I just instaled iptraf but after I type iptraf I receive command not found. Any ideia on whats going on? (I already checked and all files of iptraf exist) |
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| 05:38.39 | pmv | can regular users have access to their own crontabs? |
| 05:38.54 | pmv | oh, manual says yes |
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| 05:41.16 | stew | tchaska: it requires root access becuase it uses raw sockets |
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| 05:42.18 | tchaska | thanks |
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| 05:50.27 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 05:50.40 | Haris1 | How can I monitor disk read/write speeds in real time? |
| 05:50.46 | Haris1 | I'm not sure if hdparm can help |
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| 05:52.36 | Haris1 | there was a tool which I used in etchr0, which when I run as command <interval> would show me the hdd read/write and more details for that much time and would then exit. What's the name of this util? I forget its name |
| 05:52.44 | tchaska | sorry about my ignorance but to set filter to ignore all local network traffic I should use 192.168.* or is in another format? |
| 05:52.51 | tchaska | on iptraf |
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| 05:54.51 | phorce1 | Haris1: perhaps bonnie++ ? |
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| 05:58.43 | skor | is there a package to install man pages for system calls such as dup2 ? |
| 05:59.01 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:00.02 | simonrvn | skor: you wanna know what it is? well, that's double the fee :P |
| 06:00.19 | skor | not seeing a libc-doc anywhere |
| 06:00.44 | stew | Haris1: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" . note. it is a performance killer |
| 06:00.55 | stew | tchaska: 192.168.0.0/16 or so |
| 06:00.58 | simonrvn | a lot of the glibc stuff is in manpages-dev |
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| 06:01.09 | skor | simonrvn: go ahead and charge the free*2 to my card |
| 06:01.17 | skor | cool, thx |
| 06:01.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 06:01.28 | simonrvn | np |
| 06:01.45 | simonrvn | skor: also: glibc-doc - GNU C Library: Documentation |
| 06:01.59 | simonrvn | glibc-doc-reference - GNU C Library: Documentation |
| 06:02.23 | simonrvn | (which was found using apt-cache search *hint* *hint*) |
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| 06:02.50 | skor | i was using search in aptitude :/ |
| 06:02.53 | skor | got em now ! |
| 06:02.53 | Haris1 | phorce1: bonnie doesn't give realtime hdd read/write output |
| 06:02.58 | Haris1 | give = show |
| 06:03.16 | Haris1 | that utility ran every second for the ammount of seconds I mentioned |
| 06:03.34 | stew | Haris1: vmstat? |
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| 06:04.10 | Haris1 | B|ngo! |
| 06:04.16 | stew | Haris1: try "vmstat -d 1" or so |
| 06:04.33 | Haris1 | Can vmstat help me find out if a hdd is pausing between read/writes? |
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| 06:05.42 | Haris1 | One possibility of my system causing problems with not accepting connections could be the scsi hdd pauses? There are 1 raid and multiple non raid partitions on 2 disks |
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| 06:10.04 | simonrvn | skor: :) |
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| 06:14.55 | skor | simonrvn: lets test your c skills |
| 06:14.57 | skor | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.57 | skor | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.57 | skor | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.57 | skor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.13 | skor | honor the flood |
| 06:15.15 | skor | nods |
| 06:15.19 | skor | anyway |
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| 06:17.40 | simonrvn | i don't do c |
| 06:18.28 | skor | ahh, thx anyhow. Just installed some new software and it has some bugs :/ |
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| 06:21.59 | richjkl | so are there any good alternate sources for http.us.debian.org and non-us.debian.org? I keep on getting GPG errors |
| 06:23.11 | Guerin | richjkl: have you been living under a rock since non-us got deprecated? |
| 06:23.19 | Guerin | it's been years |
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| 06:25.10 | Woland_ | heil |
| 06:25.43 | Woland_ | guys, i have a problem with kde, psi and gpg |
| 06:26.07 | Woland_ | kde's wm does not render gpg password dialog for psi --no-gpg-agent |
| 06:26.24 | Woland_ | in gnome and raw x-server all work fine |
| 06:27.13 | Woland_ | does anybody know how to resolve? |
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| 06:27.48 | Haris1 | bi is read and bo is write in vmstat output? |
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| 06:40.23 | Woland_ | wm replacing solves this problem but maybe somebody knows how to solve it with kwin? |
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| 06:42.29 | Refakki | Hi all. What kernel version in lenny now? |
| 06:42.31 | Dewi | is there an easy standard way to duplicate a directory and make hard links to all files in it? |
| 06:42.47 | Dewi | (recursively) |
| 06:42.56 | Guerin | Refakki: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:43.05 | Dewi | I feel as though I've seen this on some man page or other.... |
| 06:43.39 | Guerin | Dewi: rsync has a function to do just this |
| 06:43.42 | yang | How do i disable click on touch in synaptics touchpad device ? |
| 06:43.53 | Guerin | yang: ask #synaptics |
| 06:43.56 | Refakki | Guerin: http://packages.debian.org/ - 6.24...realy? |
| 06:43.57 | Guerin | yang: or #xorg |
| 06:44.12 | Guerin | Refakki: you're looking at the wrong package |
| 06:44.38 | Refakki | linux-image-amd64? |
| 06:44.50 | Guerin | that's a metapackage |
| 06:45.00 | Dewi | Guerin: yeah, I am aware of that one, but that involves 3 endpoints: source, target_old, target_new |
| 06:45.10 | Guerin | you want linux-image-someversion-somerevision-amd64 |
| 06:45.12 | Dewi | Guerin: I just mean in-place on one system, "backing up the metadata" |
| 06:45.18 | davedorm | here's a question for the masses |
| 06:45.26 | Guerin | Dewi: mm, ok. |
| 06:45.37 | davedorm | I want to make Debian sudo instead of su |
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| 06:45.45 | davedorm | like *buntu does |
| 06:45.46 | Guerin | Dewi: man sudoers |
| 06:45.53 | Guerin | davedorm: man sudoers |
| 06:45.58 | davedorm | so I did passwd -l and killed the root password |
| 06:46.04 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm just doing a lot of manual 'mv' and 'rm' and it occurred to me that a directory of hard links is as good as a snapshot as long as I never open a file for write |
| 06:46.07 | davedorm | yeah |
| 06:46.20 | Refakki | Guerin: What kernel lenny install by default? |
| 06:46.25 | davedorm | but what about gksu and kdesu etc |
| 06:46.27 | Dewi | Guerin: at least... as far as I understand it :) |
| 06:46.36 | Guerin | Refakki: how the fuck should I know, it potentially changes daily. |
| 06:46.37 | davedorm | can I symlink to kdesudo instead? |
| 06:46.46 | Refakki | oh |
| 06:46.48 | Guerin | Refakki: look it up on p.d.o - it really is the only definitive guide |
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| 06:47.08 | Guerin | davedorm: you can do what you like. |
| 06:47.18 | Guerin | davedorm: but first you might want to reset your root pass |
| 06:47.20 | davedorm | I mean will that work? |
| 06:47.27 | Guerin | no idea |
| 06:47.28 | davedorm | I did :) |
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| 06:47.35 | Guerin | sounds like making something simple complicated |
| 06:47.57 | davedorm | ah |
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| 06:48.00 | davedorm | ok |
| 06:48.57 | simonrvn | wow, aptitude got all fancy |
| 06:49.13 | simonrvn | lists the number of packages in each section |
| 06:49.23 | Erik2 | in the lower right of my gnome screen I have this network manager applet icon, which says there is no network connection, while I am now connected to freenode. How can I get rid of this icon ? |
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| 06:49.32 | davedorm | well, to be safe, I renamed the old proggies before I re-did the symlinks |
| 06:49.36 | davedorm | just in case |
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| 06:49.56 | davedorm | I won't know if it works till I get home |
| 06:50.14 | Guerin | Erik2: ask #gnome |
| 06:50.21 | Guerin | Erik2: on irc.gnome.org |
| 06:50.48 | Erik2 | Guerin: well, I'm on etch2... |
| 06:51.01 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:51.09 | Guerin | nother example of gnome being so retarded as to not use ifconfig and associated tools, but instead reimplement some bullshit which ignores reality |
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| 06:51.35 | Guerin | Erik2: 1. wtf is etch2? 2. gnome brokennes is not #debian's problem, we just distribute the shite. |
| 06:52.37 | Erik2 | Guerin: Debian Etch installed it.... |
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| 06:52.51 | sPHERE^ | but W T F is etch_2_? |
| 06:53.08 | Guerin | Erik2: gnome is buggy. This is how life is. |
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| 06:54.16 | Erik2 | Guerin: everything is buggy to some extent... |
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| 06:54.37 | Haris1 | etch r2 |
| 06:54.47 | Haris1 | maybe |
| 06:55.03 | davedorm | heh... bugs? naw... "undocumented features!" |
| 06:55.08 | Guerin | Erik2: yes. And we support debian's buggy tools, and certain fuckups associated with debian's customisations. Unfortunately this (in my experience) is just gnome Working As Intended. |
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| 06:55.14 | Haris1 | on etch r2, how do I tell squid3-stable2 not to send log to both daemon.log and squid3/*.log ? |
| 06:55.24 | Guerin | Haris1: ask #squid |
| 06:55.27 | Haris1 | I did |
| 06:55.35 | Haris1 | no one is there atm. |
| 06:55.39 | Guerin | wait |
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| 06:55.45 | Guerin | this is the thing |
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| 06:56.07 | Haris1 | Second Q, do scsi hard drives pause between read/writes? |
| 06:56.22 | Guerin | we know a lot about debian. We don't know a lot about every program debian distributes, not shocking, since there are after all well over 20,000 |
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| 06:57.38 | Haris1 | well, I'm not complaining about the lack of knowledge about other packages. I just require help |
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| 06:58.04 | Guerin | from #squid |
| 06:58.13 | simonrvn | what do you mean pause? |
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| 06:59.23 | Haris1 | one reason I can think of the box not accepting connections at all, or existing connections getting disconnected is the hard drive pausing or the system pausing for some seconds/minutes |
| 06:59.47 | Haris1 | I have seen it on windows, but have never experienced it on linux |
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| 07:00.05 | Guerin | Haris1: nothing should ever pause for any longer than milliseconds |
| 07:00.14 | Guerin | if something does it betokens major problems |
| 07:00.26 | fag | hello, there is no debian x86-64 version? |
| 07:00.40 | Guerin | fag: x86-64 is functionally identical to amd64 |
| 07:01.20 | fag | Guerin: so, if i have core quad i shall install amd64 anyway ? |
| 07:01.27 | Guerin | fag: yes. |
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| 07:01.39 | fag | thx |
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| 07:05.00 | ericcobazzo | hi |
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| 07:14.07 | echo-area | Hi, does anybody have problem with ttf-freefont? It seems broken to me. |
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| 07:14.48 | Guerin | `broken' tells us nothing. Elaborate. |
| 07:14.52 | echo-area | I use font files listed at http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/freefont/ for those files |
| 07:15.40 | Guerin | echo-area: then ask gnu. Debian distributes freefont and as far as I know it works fine. |
| 07:16.20 | echo-area | ``broken'' means that when I restart X server, the fonts in those files are not available so the characters are displayed with other fonts |
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| 07:16.43 | Guerin | yes, that's bnecause you don't know how to set fonts up properly in x |
| 07:16.52 | Guerin | use the debian package or complain elsewhere |
| 07:17.06 | DexTerDDIT | a little help pls ... how do i reconfig the xserver cause i change the videocard |
| 07:17.07 | DexTerDDIT | ?? |
| 07:17.08 | DexTerDDIT | :D |
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| 07:17.17 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 07:17.17 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 07:17.28 | echo-area | besides, with font viewer, such as the one in KDE, I see nothing when opening the files |
| 07:17.38 | echo-area | the files comes with debian, I mean |
| 07:17.50 | DexTerDDIT | aha |
| 07:17.52 | DexTerDDIT | 10x |
| 07:17.53 | DexTerDDIT | :) |
| 07:17.54 | echo-area | Guerin: I'm not complaining |
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| 07:18.10 | echo-area | I just wonder if somebody encounters the same problem |
| 07:18.20 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 07:18.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 07:18.35 | Rat409 | echo-area: as root and your regualr user in xterm do fc-cache -vf,then logout,login |
| 07:19.10 | Rat409 | and watch the output :) |
| 07:19.11 | echo-area | Rat409: that's what I did when I found it wrong |
| 07:19.14 | simonrvn | you don't need to logout (maybe restart xsession, but that's not need much anymore) |
| 07:19.29 | echo-area | nothing was changed until I replace the font files |
| 07:19.33 | echo-area | *replaced |
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| 07:19.40 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:19.49 | Guerin | because you DIDN'T USE THE FUCKING DEBIAN PACKAGE |
| 07:20.09 | echo-area | what? I installed the original package with apt-get install |
| 07:20.26 | echo-area | and when I did apt-get install --reinstall ttf-freefont |
| 07:20.27 | eevar2 | this is the x86 kernel and not x86-64, right? -- Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:20.45 | kgoetz | yes |
| 07:20.45 | Guerin | echo-area: you said you used files from gnu.org |
| 07:20.46 | echo-area | the font was broken again, until I replaced them |
| 07:20.56 | kgoetz | eevar2: 32 bit kernel |
| 07:21.07 | echo-area | that was because the files in ttf-freefont didn't work |
| 07:21.20 | eevar2 | thanks. could one upgrade 'in place'? |
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| 07:21.37 | kgoetz | eevar2: to 64 bit? i think people have said yes, but i'm not convinced |
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| 07:23.00 | eevar2 | ok, thank you |
| 07:24.01 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 07:24.01 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 07:24.14 | simonrvn | see part about new kernel |
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| 07:24.55 | Haris1 | I hate it when I have to take boxes down for maintainance. I have to reboot and lose the uptime :| |
| 07:24.57 | Haris1 | like this box |
| 07:25.04 | echo-area | there is no ttf-freefont_20080323, isn't it? |
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| 07:25.48 | simonrvn | no, the package name would be ttf-freefont; version number would be different most likely |
| 07:27.02 | echo-area | Oh, it's unstable |
| 07:27.12 | echo-area | I mean, in unstable branch |
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| 07:28.11 | simonrvn | wrecked his voice again from the jam "but damn it was fricking fun! :)" |
| 07:29.25 | simonrvn | Guerin: our group, another drum group, and couple other people got together earlier tonight and jammed out some songs |
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| 07:29.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: righteous |
| 07:29.48 | simonrvn | totally :) |
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| 07:36.47 | echo-area | OK, could somebody please download ttf-freefont_20080323-1_all.deb to see whether the files in it are correct? Thanks |
| 07:36.52 | echo-area | from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/ttf-freefont/download |
| 07:37.46 | Guerin | echo-area: check the BTS\] |
| 07:38.05 | echo-area | Guerin: Ok |
| 07:38.22 | echo-area | (side note: I'm sure files e.g. FreeMono.ttf isn't correctly displayed here, but I'm not sure whether it's the problem of the font files or my program) |
| 07:38.40 | echo-area | s/my program/font viewer/ |
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| 07:38.55 | vaq | Can I launch a command inside a chroot without going into it first? |
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| 07:39.22 | Guerin | vaq: man chroot |
| 07:39.25 | vaq | oh ye chroot /chroot /etc/init.d/apache start worked |
| 07:39.35 | Guerin | vaq: you can script it so |
| 07:39.36 | simonrvn | why don't you just open a text editor of some sort, and set the font to freemono or freesans? i suspect it's the app not the font |
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| 07:40.12 | echo-area | Guerin: I confirmed it's bug #472830. Thanks |
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| 07:40.34 | echo-area | and thank you, simonrvn :) |
| 07:40.39 | Guerin | whee, the BTS sees all and knows all! |
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| 07:42.31 | echo-area | [btw, it's the problem of the font itself, as all apps can't display with the font] |
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| 07:47.38 | eshaase | do 100mbit network cards really get you the supposed 12.5 MB/s or is it kinda like how HDs are where you never reach the maximum speed transfer rate? |
| 07:48.21 | Guerin | echo-area: your maths is broken |
| 07:48.23 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:48.30 | Guerin | eshaase: your maths is broken |
| 07:48.39 | Guerin | eshaase: you fail to account for overheads |
| 07:48.54 | Guerin | realistic sustained maximum is about 8MB/sec |
| 07:49.15 | Guerin | but it depends on a bunch of factors |
| 07:49.24 | echo-area | Guerin: ;-) |
| 07:49.34 | Guerin | echo-area: sorry. I suck at irc. |
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| 07:49.45 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 07:49.45 | dpkg | [qotd74] < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
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| 07:50.10 | pmv | lols |
| 07:51.00 | stew | eshaase: it is possible to actually get ethernet working at close to theoretical speeds, but it requires non real world scenarios, like your sender is always sending maximally sized packets, and never has to wait for any replies, at any givin clock cycle, it has a maximally sized packet it wants to send, and it never encounters a collision |
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| 07:52.01 | eshaase | stew: ok, gtocha |
| 07:52.04 | St0n3-C0l | How do I make a folder visible on Source area in rhythmbox? |
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| 07:53.24 | JustSoul | Kernel 2.6.24.-1 is stable or unstable? |
| 07:53.46 | stew | JustSoul: what do you mean by stable or unstable? |
| 07:53.49 | Guerin | JustSoul: no. |
| 07:54.13 | simonrvn | heh, "no" |
| 07:54.13 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: ask #rhythmbox |
| 07:54.36 | simonrvn | crap, i gotta sleep i read that as "snotrag" |
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| 07:58.14 | JustSoul | Guerin: Why in changelog of that kernel: "linux-2.6 (2.6.24-4) unstable; urgency=low"? |
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| 08:00.06 | fx|RabBit | can anybody help me to solve some weird "i got no sound" problem pls? |
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| 08:00.56 | fx|RabBit | i have everything turned up from alsa mixer to gnome volume control yet still i dont hear a thing exept for system peeps |
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| 08:01.10 | fx|RabBit | talking abeout a ibm t60 laptop... |
| 08:01.53 | davedorm | hmm |
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| 08:01.56 | stew | fx|RabBit: show us the output of 'amixer' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 08:02.06 | davedorm | have you installed all the alsa packages? |
| 08:02.08 | streuner | !laptops |
| 08:02.09 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 08:02.27 | fx|RabBit | ok, fine thx, but be patient pls i got to coppy the link from one computer to another... |
| 08:02.30 | stew | fx|RabBit: and what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 08:03.09 | fx|RabBit | stew: says 2.618-6-686 |
| 08:03.17 | stew | !new alsa |
| 08:03.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, new alsa is to compile newer alsa drivers for your running kernel: first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your alsa drivers for the new ones to take effect. also ask me about <alsa checklist> |
| 08:03.31 | stew | fx|RabBit: ^^^ you'll probably end up doing this to get newer snd-intel-hda drivers |
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| 08:03.57 | fx|RabBit | hummkayyy... |
| 08:04.04 | stew | this isn't even the first person today reporting problems with t60 and stable's alsa |
| 08:04.20 | fx|RabBit | stew: oh i see:) |
| 08:04.37 | fx|RabBit | this kind of comforts me cos this was getting kind of spooky already gg |
| 08:04.42 | streuner | liable: are there any magic to get sound to work with a T60 laptop? |
| 08:04.56 | fx|RabBit | hehehe |
| 08:04.59 | fx|RabBit | next one |
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| 08:05.17 | pmv | hehe |
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| 08:05.36 | streuner | http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/T60p |
| 08:06.00 | streuner | "Works fine with the snd_hda_intel kernel modules." |
| 08:06.43 | stew | from 2.6.22, not 2.6.18 |
| 08:06.58 | fx|RabBit | streuner: Sound: Works fine with the snd_hda_intel kernel modules. [edit] |
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| 08:07.10 | fx|RabBit | kind of brings us back there :) |
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| 08:07.48 | streuner | use a backports.org kernel then (2.6.22) |
| 08:08.02 | streuner | !backports |
| 08:08.02 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 08:08.41 | fx|RabBit | streuner: which is not so quite eay aswe maintain some 50 computers in the net and they're supposed to stay "updatable" |
| 08:09.00 | fx|RabBit | in this case the .deb froim the sid repositireis would be the better solution... |
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| 08:10.16 | streuner | !+tell fx|RabBit -about sid faq |
| 08:10.16 | dpkg | told fx|RabBit about sid faq. |
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| 08:13.28 | fx|RabBit | streuner: hehehe tnakx m8 i am well aware of that, but tell me can it get worse then havin no sound? especially if yourt taks is to get skype to run? |
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| 08:17.05 | streuner | !nickometer fx|RabBit |
| 08:17.07 | dpkg | 'fx|RabBit' is 19.000% lame, streuner |
| 08:17.19 | jelly-home | !fail streuner |
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| 08:17.54 | fx|RabBit | XD |
| 08:18.09 | fx|RabBit | !nickometer streuner |
| 08:18.10 | dpkg | 'streuner' is 0.000% lame, fx|rabbit |
| 08:18.19 | fx|RabBit | wooowww how kewl |
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| 08:18.45 | stew | !nickmeter streuner |
| 08:18.45 | dpkg | streuner is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 08:18.53 | fx|RabBit | hahaha |
| 08:18.55 | fx|RabBit | n1 |
| 08:19.19 | jelly-home | what is "n1" supposed to mean? |
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| 08:19.25 | lapowerismine | we talking! |
| 08:19.29 | streuner | i guess neat |
| 08:19.38 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 08:19.38 | dpkg | from memory, tw@ is ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
| 08:20.00 | jelly-home | I'm guessing !anyone if I squint the right way, but one never knows |
| 08:20.07 | fx|RabBit | damned! build failed |
| 08:20.15 | vanksi | one of my nfs mounts got jammed when i had to boot the source, now i can't umount it on the client since it just says "device is busy" |
| 08:20.19 | vanksi | how can i fix it? |
| 08:20.37 | stew | 'nice one' is my guess |
| 08:21.03 | vanksi | oh, got it, -f |
| 08:21.05 | lapowerismine | just a question, new to this, is there a good "how to" for linux compiling? |
| 08:21.14 | fx|RabBit | stew: thank you so much, hehe |
| 08:21.23 | Guerin | lapowerismine: `don't' is the best howto you'll ever get for it |
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| 08:21.47 | lapowerismine | telling me off? |
| 08:22.11 | stew | lapowerismine: is what a good howto? what are you compiling? |
| 08:22.49 | lapowerismine | i'm new to the whole compiling concept. I had 'bluediving', a bluetooth exploit add |
| 08:22.54 | lapowerismine | *app |
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| 08:23.20 | lapowerismine | it has bluesnarfer++, but i've never known how to compile in linux |
| 08:23.25 | stew | lapowerismine: we're not going to help you with exploits |
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| 08:23.34 | lapowerismine | no problems |
| 08:23.45 | lapowerismine | i was just generalizing |
| 08:24.30 | needhelp | are there any applications which can have a Web interface to upload files into the server? i'm on debian machine |
| 08:24.37 | lapowerismine | bye |
| 08:24.52 | Guerin | he's heading out before the black helicopters show up |
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| 08:25.01 | Guerin | or should that be blue helicopters |
| 08:25.41 | Guerin | needhelp: there are hundreds of dinky little php apps to allow this. |
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| 08:26.18 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:26.18 | dpkg | <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
| 08:26.40 | Guerin | the answer to that is `no' |
| 08:26.51 | needhelp | oh.. can recommend me one or let me know what to search in google? i don't know what the term is |
| 08:27.43 | Guerin | i';d start with file uploader or somesuch |
| 08:28.33 | stew | needhelp: google for php+enctype+multipart. its only takes a few lines of php |
| 08:28.57 | fx|RabBit | needhelp: http://tinywebgallery.com/index_tfu.htm |
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| 08:31.08 | needhelp | ok thanks! |
| 08:31.45 | fx|RabBit | stew: may i ask you one more question concerning that alsa driver? |
| 08:32.22 | fx|RabBit | i get a compiling error tating that 5 s the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper |
| 08:32.41 | fx|RabBit | how much am i probably gonna mess up my system if i upgrade that one too? |
| 08:32.54 | mib_8xf4ge | hi everybody, is there a way to see if an aplication is obtain traffic? |
| 08:33.08 | stew | is there a newer debhelper? |
| 08:33.12 | stew | !info debhelper |
| 08:33.15 | dpkg | debhelper: (helper programs for debian/rules), section devel, is optional. Version: 6.0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 509 kB, Installed size: 1268 kB |
| 08:33.30 | stew | damn, i obviously have been slacking |
| 08:33.54 | stew | !depends alsa-source testing |
| 08:33.56 | dpkg | alsa-source: depends on bzip2, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, debconf-utils, debhelper (>= 5.0.37), dpkg-dev, gcc | c-compiler, make |
| 08:34.10 | stew | fx|RabBit: ^^^ replace 'sid' with 'testing' in the alsa-source url |
| 08:34.36 | fx|RabBit | stew: first of all thanx alot and secon, wow that bot seriously roXX |
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| 08:35.23 | fx|RabBit | fine set of features i have to say |
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| 08:36.26 | fx|RabBit | stew: downloads exactly the same package? |
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| 08:37.57 | stew | fx|RabBit: then what told you it needed debhelper 6? |
| 08:38.16 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | where can i download LILO?! |
| 08:38.31 | stew | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: "aptitude install lilo" ? |
| 08:38.35 | mib_8xf4ge | i'm executing an aplication that in theory, is downloading something, but I don't know if is running ok, for that reason I need to check it |
| 08:38.36 | fx|RabBit | stew: my first attempt to compile that package with the above mentioned command: m-a -t a-i alsa |
| 08:38.36 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | no |
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| 08:38.48 | Guerin | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: yes |
| 08:38.56 | mib_8xf4ge | anybody knows how to do that? |
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| 08:39.06 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | i will install it on usb disk |
| 08:39.28 | fx|RabBit | mib_8xf4ge: how about downloding something practically? |
| 08:40.07 | jelly-home | mib_8xf4ge: list its open files (lsof). strace it to see what it's doing (strace). |
| 08:40.22 | mib_8xf4ge | umm ok |
| 08:40.26 | fx|RabBit | stew: waht wonder, terminates with the same error hehe |
| 08:40.27 | mib_8xf4ge | i will test |
| 08:40.31 | mib_8xf4ge | thanks! |
| 08:41.02 | stew | i wonder what awesome new features were added in debhelper 6 that the alsa maintainers couldn't resist |
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| 08:41.12 | MolePrince | How can I tell the device name for a new ps2 device? I plugged in a magnetic card reader and need to know the interface. |
| 08:41.16 | stew | i guess i'd rather see a new debhelper version now rather than after the lenny release |
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| 08:42.17 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | what do i install LILO on usb disk? |
| 08:42.39 | fx|RabBit | stew: hehehe sry but i couldnt tell |
| 08:43.03 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | help |
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| 08:44.01 | fx|RabBit | ok, installing lintian 1.23.46 |
| 08:44.24 | stew | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: you would just run "lilo" or "lilo -C /path/to/config/file" or some such. "man lilo" will give you more details |
| 08:45.07 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | where download the LILO?! |
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| 08:45.18 | stew | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: aptitude install lilo |
| 08:46.08 | stew | fx|RabBit: well debhelper would *probably* backport simply, but i'm looking to see what new they might be using |
| 08:46.13 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | apt-get install lilo?! |
| 08:46.21 | stew | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: that would also work |
| 08:47.09 | fx|RabBit | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: please dont be offended but i gotta trt outa curiosity |
| 08:47.20 | stew | hrm, alsa-source.control has Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5.0.37) |
| 08:47.24 | fx|RabBit | !nickometer nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 |
| 08:47.25 | dpkg | 'nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0' is 42.000% lame, fx|rabbit |
| 08:47.33 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 08:47.34 | Guerin | someone toned nickometer down some |
| 08:47.35 | stew | fx|RabBit: you can /msg the bot |
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| 08:47.50 | fx|RabBit | ah! hehe thx stew |
| 08:47.50 | Guerin | time was that scores above 90% were frequent |
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| 08:48.43 | stew | i wish this build would finish so i can go to bed |
| 08:49.10 | fx|RabBit | hahaha stew i cant install lintian either, also terminates with an error |
| 08:49.12 | simonrvn | that ^^ should score 99+ |
| 08:49.14 | fx|RabBit | azazaz |
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| 08:49.33 | bertvdp | hi, can someone tell me how I can give instructions from one tty to another ? |
| 08:50.08 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | i run lilo,but show /etc/lilo.conf:no such file or directory |
| 08:50.25 | stew | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: yeah, you need a lilo.conf to run lilo |
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| 08:51.14 | stew | fx|RabBit: i'd say you either backport debhelper, or get a 0.15 version of alsa from sdn: /msg dpkg sdn |
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| 08:52.05 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | i will make debian system on usb disk, i copy vmlinuz on usb disk,and install lilo on usb disk |
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| 08:54.16 | Guerin | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: go on, then. |
| 08:54.30 | aNOOBisa | I have a time difference btw sys time and my java app |
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| 08:54.38 | davedorm | hmm |
| 08:54.39 | aNOOBisa | can anybody tell me how to fix dst |
| 08:54.45 | davedorm | !nickometer davedorm |
| 08:54.46 | dpkg | 'davedorm' is 0.000% lame, davedorm |
| 08:54.50 | davedorm | heh |
| 08:54.53 | aNOOBisa | with java |
| 08:54.54 | davedorm | zero lameness |
| 08:55.08 | aNOOBisa | on deb |
| 08:55.23 | dondelelcaro | aNOOBisa: by DST you mean daylight savings time? |
| 08:55.29 | aNOOBisa | yes |
| 08:55.33 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | but i dont install lilo on usb disk |
| 08:55.52 | dondelelcaro | aNOOBisa: unless java is insane, it should be using the libc6 calls to calculate things. Assuming date works properly, then everything shold be ok. |
| 08:56.03 | fx|RabBit | stew: sry for noobing but how do i backport debhelper? |
| 08:56.11 | Guerin | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: read the lilo documentation. |
| 08:56.32 | aNOOBisa | java implements its own time api |
| 08:56.41 | Netfeed | ive downloaded and installed the netinstall disc but now i cant seem to install xserver-xorg, do i have to add more sources to source.list what? kinda new to the debian world |
| 08:56.46 | fx|RabBit | !backport fx|RabBit |
| 08:57.00 | Guerin | fx|RabBit: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 08:57.12 | dondelelcaro | aNOOBisa: it may have its own time api, but it should be using the timezone files distributed with the operating system. If it isn't, then you'll have to upgrade java. |
| 08:57.20 | fx|RabBit | Guerin: k, thanks |
| 08:57.28 | Guerin | Netfeed: yes. x is not in the netinstall disk |
| 08:57.36 | Guerin | for obvious reasons |
| 08:57.38 | aNOOBisa | I am running java5 |
| 08:57.47 | aNOOBisa | and 6 won't change much |
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| 08:58.02 | Netfeed | Guerin: noticed, how can i get more sources to my source.list then? |
| 08:58.15 | aNOOBisa | I was hoping someone here also had that problem |
| 08:58.20 | aNOOBisa | and had solved it |
| 08:58.42 | aNOOBisa | maybe I'll ask the java guys |
| 08:58.43 | Guerin | Netfeed: debian.org/mirrors and add 'em manually, or use netselect-apt |
| 08:58.45 | aNOOBisa | :) |
| 08:59.15 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | where do read it?! |
| 08:59.35 | stew | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0: man lilo.conf |
| 09:00.02 | stew | aNOOBisa: which timezone are you in? |
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| 09:00.17 | Netfeed | Guerin: can't find a program named netselect-apt |
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| 09:01.18 | aNOOBisa | stew its GMT+1 |
| 09:01.36 | aNOOBisa | for the java app |
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| 09:02.07 | nI3ckkkkkkkk6y0 | thanks you! |
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| 09:03.59 | stew | crap. i have to restart this build again |
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| 09:04.19 | fx|RabBit | stew: what r u building? |
| 09:04.21 | stew | its not looking good for this getting fixed tonight |
| 09:04.40 | stew | fx|RabBit: rosegarden, which i'm having to build on ppc, which takes about 40 minutes |
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| 09:05.39 | simonrvn | corss build, or native? |
| 09:05.39 | fx|RabBit | stew: gosh that ounds great! i wasnt aware that there are fiunally some sound apps available for linux |
| 09:05.41 | simonrvn | cr* |
| 09:05.45 | stew | trying to fix these: http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=rosegarden |
| 09:05.54 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:06.26 | fx|RabBit | omg this is weird! i must be doing something wrong cos i still get the same error |
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| 09:07.40 | stew | simonrvn: native. i have a blue and white? is that what it is? i dunno. a friend left a dual 450mhz mac at my house a few years ago, which has come in handy for times like these |
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| 09:08.20 | simonrvn | if it's blue and white, it's a B&W ;). aka yosemite (IIRC) |
| 09:08.27 | simonrvn | oooh dual |
| 09:08.58 | stew | yeah, its super responsive while the one cpu is compiling. great |
| 09:10.22 | simonrvn | i wish i could stick a dual in my beige g3... would make things a bit zippier |
| 09:11.27 | stew | the guy was crashing at our house. then got his own place, but wanted to keep his computer at ours becuase he got addicted to our bandwidth. then it was inconvenient so he got one of those titanium numbers and became uninterested in ever retrieving his desktop |
| 09:12.01 | stew | it comes in handy for either what i'm using it for now, or for safari testing for clients. but it only really gets turned on a couple of times a year |
| 09:13.01 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 09:15.37 | zophy | where's a fast mirror for the debian testing CD ? |
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| 09:17.11 | simonrvn | stew: debugging for gcc 4.3 "bugs"? |
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| 09:18.00 | simonrvn | oh, c++ |
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| 09:20.17 | optraz | hi, how different is the package in debian vs in ubuntu ? |
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| 09:29.26 | stew | simonrvn: these are legitimate bugs in the rosegarden source that 4.3 is exposing |
| 09:29.33 | stew | simonrvn: nit picky, but legitimate |
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| 09:30.32 | stew | and now i give up for tonight. i'm starting to make too many mistakes in my knitting while i wait :) |
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| 09:33.13 | tuk | hola |
| 09:33.30 | tuk | tengo un problema me han robado la cuenta de messenger |
| 09:33.40 | tuk | dado que no puedo canviar la password hay alguna forma de bloquearla |
| 09:33.52 | tuk | ? |
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| 09:42.38 | liable | tuk: english or try #debian-br |
| 09:42.42 | liable | !br |
| 09:42.42 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 09:44.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:44.21 | dpkg | <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
| 09:44.22 | nse | this is not portuguse |
| 09:44.32 | nse | !sp |
| 09:44.32 | dpkg | [sp] troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 09:44.39 | liable | innit? i was tossing up between that and spanish |
| 09:44.39 | nkuttler | !es |
| 09:44.39 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:44.51 | liable | he left anyway |
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| 09:45.49 | bkw | How can I cat files in a directory and get the filename , or something that identifies what file I'm cat:ing atm |
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| 09:46.48 | nkuttler | bkw: well... how do you cat it in the first place? |
| 09:47.24 | Ovi | can anyone tell me how to keep the key bindings I defined in a file after rebooting? |
| 09:47.36 | Ovi | I have to call xmodmap every time |
| 09:47.37 | quentusrex | I have a brand new Shuttle SN68SG2, but debian net install doesn't recognize the Marvell 88E1116 network card. How do I fix this??? |
| 09:48.15 | skor | so.. to remove a package in debian, if it is a server, it has to be running 1st ? |
| 09:48.34 | skor | it's not letting me remove postgres because the prerm script fails to shut it down |
| 09:48.53 | nkuttler | skor: stupid script... start postgres or fix the script |
| 09:48.59 | skor | mmk, thx |
| 09:49.30 | nkuttler | skor: file a wishlist bug while you're at it |
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| 09:50.04 | Ovi | anyone? |
| 09:50.19 | havocologe | what could the the problem of not having /etc/init.d/inetd present after "apt-get install telnetd" ? |
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| 09:50.56 | bkw | nkuttler: cat * | less is something that I want. But with info about what file I'm reading. |
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| 09:52.35 | nkuttler | bkw: try something like for a in *; do echo $a; cat "$a"; done |
| 09:52.37 | alturiak | bkw: how about "less *"? it alerts you when it switches over to a new file |
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| 10:08.41 | sami | I need some serious help. I just made an ubuntu install CD for an unattended install with my own repository. When i boot it everthing works fine until it tries to verify the "Release" file. |
| 10:08.59 | dondelelcaro | sami: #ubuntu are the people to ask about it |
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| 10:09.50 | sami | dondelelcaro, Both yes and no. There are no competent people in #ubuntu and the cdrom-detect package is stolen directly from debian. |
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| 10:10.12 | dondelelcaro | sami: they have forums too... |
| 10:10.56 | WormFood | sami, did you try it with debian first? |
| 10:11.15 | sami | dondelelcaro, Noone have answered the question on the forum. |
| 10:11.22 | WormFood | sami, I suggest you make your own debian install CD, and get help here....then take your experience to make a ubuntu install cd ;) |
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| 10:11.29 | sami | WormFood, i had to choose ubuntu for a reson |
| 10:11.44 | WormFood | you are not paying attention to what I said....no wonder you can't get any help :P |
| 10:12.00 | dondelelcaro | sami: that's fine, but this is #debian; we only support Debian. |
| 10:12.14 | WormFood | that was exactly my point |
| 10:12.20 | dondelelcaro | anyone who wants to support Ubuntu is in #ubuntu |
| 10:12.31 | sami | Ok so if i say i made an debian install cd instead you would help me? |
| 10:12.45 | sami | Ok i made an debian install cd bla bla bla |
| 10:12.50 | WormFood | yes, then they would help you here |
| 10:13.14 | streuner | .oO (We like that very much, telling us not the truth...) |
| 10:13.31 | prolix | sami: what forced you to install ubuntu? |
| 10:13.32 | WormFood | BUT...now we know you are lying....go make a debian install CD |
| 10:13.48 | Decepticon | how do i prevent /var/log/syslog from showing messages from cron? (or at least my crontab, becuase they're very repetitive at every 3 minutes) |
| 10:13.54 | dondelelcaro | prolix: whatever it is isn't really on topic here |
| 10:13.57 | WormFood | bets sami will not have a problem with a debian install CD he makes |
| 10:14.03 | sami | I cant see the problem, when the package is from debian and does exactly the same thing. Just pretend it |
| 10:14.10 | sami | it's debian instead |
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| 10:14.29 | swilky | hey all =) |
| 10:14.33 | swilky | dose any one know how to make a root file system image for a diskless node pxe boot?? |
| 10:14.41 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: you're probably better off using rsyslog and filtering them out. |
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| 10:15.03 | dondelelcaro | swilky: it's pretty easy to do using debootstrap or cdebootstrap. |
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| 10:15.36 | dondelelcaro | swilky: both of their manpages have examples. [There's nothing really magical about a diskless node's root filesystem; it's just a normal filesystem] |
| 10:15.37 | Knight_Lord | Is there an easy way to set a column of a file to 0 with some bash trickery? |
| 10:15.50 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: use perl or awk or sed, depending. |
| 10:15.57 | swilky | yes |
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| 10:16.14 | swilky | but dosent have to be an image? |
| 10:16.52 | swilky | i tryed cp /* /image |
| 10:16.55 | steinchen | hi |
| 10:17.03 | swilky | but it frezzes |
| 10:17.19 | steinchen | can you recommend any password manager? (zsafe/kwallet...) ?? |
| 10:18.08 | swilky | so how do i make an image of my root file system in cli? |
| 10:19.04 | dondelelcaro | swilky: rsync --exclude /image -avxP / /image; |
| 10:19.08 | dondelelcaro | (or similar) |
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| 10:19.44 | dondelelcaro | (you can also do it using cp -ax / /image; assuming /image is on a different filesystem |
| 10:20.03 | swilky | that will make a example.img file? |
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| 10:21.08 | ice63 | can some one tell me if xmms is being replysed with xmms2 in testing lenny ? |
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| 10:23.29 | quentusrex | How do I change the login prompt??? I don't want the prompt to say what OS and version number.... |
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| 10:23.59 | steinchen | can, or WOULD you recommend any password manager? (zsafe/kwallet...) ?? |
| 10:24.20 | WormFood | quentusrex, edit /etc/issue |
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| 10:26.16 | MolePrince | How can I tell the device name for a new ps2 device? I plugged in a magnetic card reader and need to know the interface. |
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| 10:27.05 | TromBoeZoe | good morning |
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| 10:27.21 | techouse | mornin |
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| 10:27.53 | g00se | Lot of 'focus stealing' seems to be going on in Xfce. Is this normal? |
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| 10:28.25 | TromBoeZoe | i have a Toshiba Satellite 110CT laptop here.... installed Sarge to it.... now i cannot get x runnin.... the graphic card is unknown |
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| 10:28.31 | TromBoeZoe | xfree86 |
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| 10:28.52 | MolePrince | TromBoeZoe: Why not use X11? |
| 10:29.08 | g00se | TomeBoeZoe: What made you use Sarge? |
| 10:29.30 | swilky | ok so i ran that rsync --exclude /image -avxP / /image |
| 10:29.37 | TromBoeZoe | etch wants a minimum of 48MB RAM and only have 40 MB |
| 10:29.44 | swilky | ok so i ran that rsync --exclude / -avxP / /a * |
| 10:29.56 | swilky | and now the hole root system is in a |
| 10:30.23 | swilky | so now how do i turn it into an image |
| 10:30.28 | g00se | TromBoeZoe: Did you check your model on linuxlaptop? |
| 10:30.49 | MolePrince | swilky: dd if=/a of=/a.img |
| 10:31.05 | swilky | XD your my hero |
| 10:31.20 | MolePrince | Though I really recommend dcfldd for working with block files, much more intelligent block sizing and such |
| 10:32.23 | MolePrince | swilky: Crap, i lied >< |
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| 10:32.38 | swilky | yoo did :( |
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| 10:33.13 | swilky | dd: reading `a/': Is a directory |
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| 10:34.45 | g00se | TromBoeZoe: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html |
| 10:34.57 | MolePrince | swilky: mkisofs -o /tmp/cd.iso /a/ |
| 10:35.10 | MolePrince | If you're trying to make a CD ISO that is |
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| 10:35.54 | swilky | im trying to make a root file syste,m |
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| 10:36.04 | swilky | that i can load into the ramdisk |
| 10:36.29 | swilky | when booting a diskless node |
| 10:37.07 | rage | When I plug a usb hdd or flash drive, is there some where (perhaps in udev) I can plug in a shell script to perform a certain task? |
| 10:37.10 | MolePrince | I assume you've read up on netbooting and tftp and such. |
| 10:37.23 | swilky | yes |
| 10:37.27 | rage | Specifically on a certain flash drive |
| 10:37.28 | JustSoul | Hello. How to install debian on PC with dvd-rom on Marvell chipset or; Where I can find pata_marvell - module for 2.6.18 kernel (install disk) |
| 10:37.28 | swilky | not nfs tho |
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| 10:37.46 | swilky | i have got it working alreaddy |
| 10:37.57 | swilky | but the image im usung atm |
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| 10:38.05 | swilky | is bussybot |
| 10:38.09 | swilky | box* |
| 10:38.26 | swilky | i want a ubuntu fresh install |
| 10:39.33 | zottty | Dear friends, please help me! I have a debian and I have a strange problem. When I try to log in through ssh/sftp, It asks for username and before asking from password it waits ~2 minutes..it has no load during that time. I have no idea how I night solve that |
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| 10:39.52 | MolePrince | swilky: You may wish to ask in the #ubuntu channel then :) they have a pretty decent wiki as well. |
| 10:40.04 | swilky | LOL |
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| 10:40.11 | swilky | sorry debian instal |
| 10:40.50 | MolePrince | swilky: http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs?highlight=%28initramfs%29 |
| 10:41.03 | swilky | ty |
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| 10:47.35 | greatauk | Hi everyone, I used apt-pinning to install mysql-server from testing ... which works ... but when I restart the server, it still seems to use the older version |
| 10:48.03 | greatauk | select version(); gives me: 5.0.32-Debian_7etch5-log |
| 10:48.24 | greatauk | but it should be 5.0.51a |
| 10:49.03 | greatauk | Does anyone know how I can make init.d/mysql restart use .51 rather than .32 |
| 10:49.10 | greatauk | because they both seem to be installed at the moment |
| 10:50.21 | Daviey | greatauk: sudo nano /etc/init.d/mysql would be a start.. |
| 10:51.14 | grub | i have wine installed, now i tried updating it from the wine repos, and it gave me tons of error, how do i remove wine completely from the system? |
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| 10:52.50 | greatauk | Davie, hmm ok ... but what version to use doesn't seem to be defined there ... |
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| 10:54.39 | muh2000 | how to install xorg unstable in lenny ? |
| 10:54.42 | greatauk | Does anyone know, if I have two versions of the mysql-server package installed, where I can define which one is started with init.d/mysql start? |
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| 10:57.30 | rati | Hey Is there any thing from which I can get password from asterisk? |
| 10:57.44 | yang | what kind of password? |
| 10:58.18 | rati | yang I have password field as astrisk in my mail's security question and I want to retrive that |
| 10:58.19 | yang | muh2000: aptitude install xorg should do |
| 10:58.58 | yang | rati: there is no such thing as passwords for asterisk, do you mean SIP account passwords? |
| 10:59.32 | rati | yang: no, asterisk means **** which is on password field |
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| 10:59.52 | yang | rati: I don't follow you |
| 11:00.21 | my007ms | aptitude is very stupid every time i install something new it's remove gnome |
| 11:00.36 | my007ms | how can i stop this ? |
| 11:00.41 | yang | my007ms: it asks you about dependancies |
| 11:01.00 | anakim | hi, what is the location dpkg-dev expects to find debian-binary and copyright files? |
| 11:01.04 | yang | my007ms: simply do not run aptitude, run something like aptitude install .... |
| 11:01.17 | my007ms | yes this is what i do |
| 11:01.30 | yang | if you cannot navigate the menu, it is easier for you to manage outside it |
| 11:01.30 | my007ms | i run aptitude install gcc |
| 11:01.31 | rati | I have already saved some of the things in my webpage and I want to retrive that password, right now its showing me *** |
| 11:01.38 | my007ms | this make him remove my gnome |
| 11:01.51 | my007ms | and this happen with every new software i install with aptitude |
| 11:02.10 | yang | my007ms: broken dependancies then |
| 11:02.14 | porsche911 | rati |
| 11:02.46 | my007ms | yang and how to fix this |
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| 11:03.05 | themill | my007ms: can you pastebin the exact output. I suspect that it's aptitude trying to remove unwanted automatically installed packages |
| 11:03.08 | rati | porsche911: ?? |
| 11:03.34 | yang | my007ms: you cannot do much regarding dependancies...but I suggest tah you use original sources.list and I never heard about anything removing WM |
| 11:04.27 | my007ms | themill http://pastebin.com/m73833958 |
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| 11:05.20 | my007ms | this is my source.list http://pastebin.com/m2e6b2eb0 |
| 11:05.55 | themill | my007ms: aptitude install gnome will probably solve that. (and you should change "stable" to "etch" in your sources.list) |
| 11:06.03 | yang | you are mising deb-src line |
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| 11:06.11 | themill | it's not needed |
| 11:06.24 | my007ms | themill i use aptitude install gnome |
| 11:06.31 | my007ms | and it's install gnome |
| 11:06.41 | my007ms | but every time i install something new it's remove |
| 11:06.48 | my007ms | and i have to install it over and over |
| 11:07.16 | my007ms | yang where i can find this line pleas |
| 11:07.34 | yang | simply deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 11:07.59 | themill | yang: there's little point in having a deb-src line for stable. |
| 11:08.13 | themill | my007ms: You have removed some packages at some stage which means that other packages become "automatically installed but no longer removed". You can either "unmarkauto" on those packages or reinstall the package that you removed that caused this to happen. |
| 11:08.15 | rad-at-work | ppl, how cai I bring to life the "frozen" autofs? |
| 11:08.16 | porsche911 | rati: i never heard of it. I think there are lots of this programs for Windows, but not for it. Most of them dont will work with firefox, etc |
| 11:08.21 | yang | themill: is it just for downloading source packages? |
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| 11:09.07 | my007ms | themill so u need me replace all stable with etch even in yang line |
| 11:09.09 | my007ms | ? |
| 11:09.12 | themill | yang: yes. Its main use is to recompile sid packages for etch as a backport. Sometimes you may want to customise a package and recompile it yourself for stable, but that's not common. |
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| 11:10.02 | yang | my007ms: in case you still run sarge, change the stable line to etch, and do aptitude update, aptitude upgrade , aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 11:10.25 | themill | yang: no. you can't do that... steady on. |
| 11:11.00 | yang | my007ms: there is some extra step for intalling initrd-tools, check the upgrade manual |
| 11:11.14 | rati | porsche911: ya most of the program works with IE, but firefox can also do that. I got the things |
| 11:11.20 | yang | but i guess he is allready using etch |
| 11:11.23 | my007ms | i have last debian from site |
| 11:11.23 | themill | yang: but in this case, the installation was done off an etch CD (see the sources.list) so we know it's not a sarge box. The upgrade procedure for sarge to etch is more complicated than that. /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 11:11.27 | my007ms | it's v4 |
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| 11:11.51 | yang | my007ms: simply replace stable with etch then |
| 11:12.07 | my007ms | and add ur line or not ? |
| 11:12.38 | konadr | where can i find the hp releases of etch, the netinstall etc? I looked on the HP site but it's so hard to find anything. |
| 11:12.43 | my007ms | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 11:13.20 | themill | my007ms: that will be fine although most likely unnecessary for you. |
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| 11:14.07 | themill | my007ms: what is the output of "apt-cache policy gnome"? |
| 11:15.01 | my007ms | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.02 | my007ms | http://pastebin.com/m1804de01 |
| 11:15.30 | themill | my007ms: are there some parts of the full gnome install that you didn't want so you "aptitude remove <package>" to them? |
| 11:15.47 | my007ms | :( when i try aptitude install gcc it's still tell me to remove gnome |
| 11:16.05 | themill | that's not what I asked |
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| 11:17.09 | my007ms | themill i was try to remove this mail client |
| 11:17.10 | anaoum | which is more stable? solaris or debian?? |
| 11:17.21 | themill | my007ms: ahh... which one? |
| 11:17.25 | kgoetz | anaoum: which is wetter? |
| 11:17.36 | my007ms | themill do u think i face all this problem coz i was use apt-get in start |
| 11:17.44 | anaoum | kgoetz: wetter?? i do not understand |
| 11:18.04 | themill | my007ms: no, it shouldn't be. But which mail client were you trying to remove? |
| 11:18.14 | kgoetz | anaoum: yes, which is wetter, water or milk? |
| 11:18.25 | my007ms | themill Evolution |
| 11:18.40 | themill | anaoum: choosing debian is not just about stability, it's also about freedom. /msg dpkg why debian |
| 11:19.08 | anaoum | kgoetz: i understand that solaris is unix not linux, but which will run more stable as a webserver? |
| 11:19.27 | anaoum | themill: although freedom is great, its not a big issue for me |
| 11:19.47 | kgoetz | anaoum: i doubt its a simple answer |
| 11:19.51 | streuner | raises his eyebrow |
| 11:20.09 | kgoetz | really, joining to askwhich is a better system for $foo is just stupid. its #debian. what answer do you expect? |
| 11:20.15 | liable | raises streuner's other eyebrow |
| 11:20.27 | themill | anaoum: that's not a good attitude to start with... You're on a slippery slope to using M$ IIS. |
| 11:20.34 | streuner | liable: Dont touch me! :-) |
| 11:20.41 | jelly | themill: what's wrong with IIS? |
| 11:20.42 | liable | :P |
| 11:20.47 | my007ms | themill i will try "aptitude update" is that oki ? |
| 11:20.51 | kgoetz | jelly: :P |
| 11:21.05 | themill | my007ms: ok. That explains it quite well. When you removed evolution, you also removed the "gnome" meta package. As a result of that, much of the rest of the gnome suite is now marked as "unused and automatically installed". |
| 11:21.21 | anaoum | themill: M$IIS sucks and its the least stable of them all! |
| 11:21.33 | my007ms | :D i think i will back to use apt-get it was work perfectly well |
| 11:22.21 | my007ms | themill this was very long time and i run aptitude install gnome after that |
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| 11:23.25 | my007ms | and i have running gnome now. but if for example i try aptitude install gcc i find it's try to remove gnome |
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| 11:23.38 | themill | my007ms: your easiest course of action would be to "aptitude unmarkauto gnome-core gnome-office" That should catch most of them. |
| 11:24.39 | my007ms | themill http://pastebin.com/m1e2aafde |
| 11:24.58 | my007ms | when i run ur command it's try to remove gnome :( |
| 11:25.02 | themill | wtf? |
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| 11:25.32 | streuner | hehe |
| 11:25.45 | streuner | hm, aptitude doesnt like GNOME much |
| 11:25.54 | MolePrince | How might I set up a Debian install to automatically boot into single user / root mode please? This is for a headless file server I am building for my LAN. |
| 11:26.08 | themill | streuner: I can hardly blame it... |
| 11:26.28 | my007ms | back to use apt-get it's work more nicely ;) |
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| 11:26.55 | themill | my007ms: btw if you're wanting to compile things, install build-essential rather than just gcc |
| 11:27.45 | my007ms | no i need gcc/Eclipse coz i am studying C now a days |
| 11:28.20 | themill | my007ms: you'll still want things like make though. build-essential just picks up everything for you at once. |
| 11:28.37 | my007ms | yes |
| 11:28.47 | my007ms | u mean i can use apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:28.59 | rage | When using gksu to run a proram, is there a way to get the programs return value? i.e if I run gksu false, can I tell that the application has failed? |
| 11:29.02 | themill | my007ms: yes |
| 11:29.46 | my007ms | themill now i have to find how to remove aptitude |
| 11:29.47 | my007ms | :D |
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| 11:30.23 | themill | my007ms: don't. You'll need to actually solve this problem properly when you want to move from etch to lenny at some time in the future. |
| 11:30.50 | my007ms | but for now i will use apt-get only right ? |
| 11:31.03 | themill | my007ms: that should work ok for you, yes. |
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| 11:31.19 | my007ms | thanks themill |
| 11:31.32 | greatauk | I've installed a package from testing with apt-pinning ... but the older version of tha package still seems to run instead of the new version |
| 11:31.32 | liable | !moo |
| 11:31.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 11:31.34 | themill | my007ms: np. Good luck... |
| 11:31.46 | Bushmills | MolePrince: editing /etc/inittab (default runlevel) might do. |
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| 11:32.11 | greatauk | anyone know how to specify what version of a package to use? or how to uninstall a specific version of a package? |
| 11:32.15 | themill | greatauk: what package? can you pastebin apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 11:35.16 | Bushmills | my007ms: apt-get install evolution-data-server-common (or aptitude install evolution-data-server-common) should handle uninstall attempt. gnome panel depends on libedataserverui, which in turn depends on evolution-data-server-common. |
| 11:35.56 | greatauk | themill: http://pastebin.com/m13852d29 |
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| 11:36.23 | my007ms | Bushmills but i really don't need evolution |
| 11:36.30 | my007ms | i use Kmail |
| 11:36.45 | greatauk | it should be "mysql-server" rather than "ysql-server" ;) |
| 11:36.50 | Bushmills | can't help it. it is a dependency. you might not need it but gnome does. |
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| 11:36.53 | pgpkeys | loves him some kmail |
| 11:36.56 | cupcake | which app will allow me to check time for any time zone in the USA or in any country? |
| 11:37.23 | themill | greatauk: OK, that means that the mysql-server package from lenny is installed... Did you restart the mysql server? |
| 11:37.33 | my007ms | Bushmills http://pastebin.com/m4318dbe9 |
| 11:37.36 | Bushmills | and check out sylpheed or sylpheed-claws or claws-mail however it is called in your version. |
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| 11:37.43 | my007ms | :D even this he need to remove gnome |
| 11:37.53 | greatauk | themill, yeah, when I restart the server through init.d/mysql restart it still uses the older version |
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| 11:38.13 | greatauk | themill, which I can verify with "select version();" |
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| 11:38.52 | themill | greatauk: the older version won't even be on disk any more.... |
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| 11:39.09 | themill | greatauk: Are you sure you used "restart" not "reload"? |
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| 11:40.01 | greatauk | themill, yeah, I use restart |
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| 11:40.24 | greatauk | themill, but the version() command in mysql keeps telling me I'm using the older version |
| 11:40.25 | themill | right... it's official then. today is not a good day for me on #debian. 0/2. |
| 11:40.54 | greatauk | maybe I should remove mysql completely with apt-get remove and reinstall it ...? |
| 11:41.01 | kgoetz | themill: settle for getting drunk |
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| 11:41.31 | liable | that works for me, then you dont care if you get any right :) |
| 11:42.00 | themill | greatauk: I know it sounds dumb... but can you "invoke-rc.d mysql stop" then verify that mysqld has stopped ("ps aux | grep mysql") and then start it again? |
| 11:42.22 | Coke | Hello. I'm trying to install Debian 4.0r3 on a Dell Optiplex 755. There are several bugreports, including ones that date back to the days of the 2.4 kernel, but 4.0r3 uses a 2.6. What happens is that it fails to detect the CD-ROM, I'm looking for some help to locate more recent workarounds/fixes for this. |
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| 11:42.47 | greatauk | themill, aaah strange |
| 11:42.53 | themill | greatauk: did that work? |
| 11:43.01 | greatauk | I've stopped the server but ps aux | grep mysql still shows me a process |
| 11:43.13 | greatauk | i.e. I run the invoke command but there still seems to be a process there |
| 11:43.19 | Bushmills | Coke: how does this "failing to detect" manifest? |
| 11:43.26 | greatauk | no, wait, scrap that one |
| 11:43.29 | greatauk | there is no process |
| 11:43.41 | themill | greatauk: just "grep mysql" |
| 11:43.58 | greatauk | themill, "pgrep mysql" shows nothing |
| 11:44.07 | themill | greatauk: ok... the other thing is that the package you need is mysql-server-5.0 from lenny not mysql-server. |
| 11:44.26 | themill | greatauk: read the package description of mysql-server |
| 11:45.07 | Coke | Bushmills: there's no cdrom device |
| 11:45.55 | Bushmills | is there a hd.. device, or scd if you have scsi? |
| 11:46.02 | greatauk | themill, aaaahhh |
| 11:46.09 | greatauk | themill, that might just have done the trick |
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| 11:46.16 | themill | :) |
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| 11:46.30 | mausbiber | hallo |
| 11:46.50 | greatauk | themill, I didn't realise that the "meta package" wouldn't do the trick |
| 11:47.00 | mausbiber | how can i resize the the size of the gnome menu? |
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| 11:47.22 | themill | greatauk: yeah, it's dependencies aren't very strict about the version of the server it actually installs. |
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| 11:48.19 | themill | greatauk: it would probably be nicer if it did have a strict dependency to drag in the right package for you... perhaps file a wishlist bug. BTW you know that 5.0.51a is on backports.org? |
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| 11:50.13 | Coke | Bushmills: sure, the SATA disk is detected, the SATA cdrom is not |
| 11:50.32 | Coke | Bushmills: but I found a workaround; I changed the settings in BIOS from "new hardware" to "compatible with ancient drivers" |
| 11:50.42 | greatauk | themill, I don't know ... no |
| 11:51.10 | greatauk | themill, many thanks for you help on the mysql version issue. good stuff! :) |
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| 11:51.24 | themill | greatauk: it's always preferable to pull in packages from bpo rather than making a stable/testing mix. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 11:51.48 | erdoc | hi, where can i read about setting a secure lamp server on debian? |
| 11:52.27 | themill | !tell erdoc about securing debian |
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| 11:52.58 | erdoc | wow thanks themill |
| 11:53.07 | themill | np |
| 11:53.27 | erdoc | i guess that guide has info about closing all unneeded services etc? |
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| 11:55.25 | greatauk | themill, bpo? |
| 11:55.27 | Coke | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg418987.html This post is refering to a driver named e1000e, but there is no such driver for 2.6.18-3, what version is needed to get it? |
| 11:55.42 | themill | !tell greatauk about bpo |
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| 11:57.08 | minerale | Is there a way I can extract the init.d scripts out of tomcat 5 dpkg without installing it? |
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| 11:58.13 | cupcake | which app will allow me to check time for any time zone in the USA or in any country? |
| 11:58.25 | greatauk | themill, hey, you're making my day |
| 11:58.29 | themill | minerale: you can use mc or dpkg -x to extract the contents of the package |
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| 11:58.31 | greatauk | themill, I didn't know about the backports |
| 11:58.32 | themill | greatauk: :) |
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| 11:59.50 | troubled | simonrvn: you there? |
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| 12:00.16 | troubled | pgpkeys??! the one and only? |
| 12:00.37 | Bushmills | cupcake: graphically? |
| 12:00.51 | pgpkeys | oh yeah. the one the only the undeniable pgpkeys |
| 12:00.59 | troubled | :) |
| 12:01.04 | troubled | pokes pgpkeys |
| 12:01.11 | pgpkeys | superpokes troubled |
| 12:01.21 | kgoetz | puts pgpkeys in a jar |
| 12:01.21 | pgpkeys | ok, too much facebook |
| 12:01.34 | liable | i was just getting hard! |
| 12:01.36 | troubled | you guys try clicking any featured vid on youtube yet? |
| 12:01.51 | cupcake | Bushmills: no, command line. graphically i found sunclock |
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| 12:04.14 | Airbottle | hey, immediately after startup, i can browse the computers in my local network, but after 5 minutes, i seem unable to detect these same computers, whats wrong? smb.conf is here http://pastebin.com/m7e6e4eff |
| 12:04.40 | Airbottle | (i'm on debian etch atm) |
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| 12:06.33 | JustSoul | Hello. How to install debian on PC with dvd-rom on Marvell chipset (ASUS P5B-VM) or; Where I can find pata_marvell - module for 2.6.18 kernel (install disk)? |
| 12:06.34 | Bushmills | cupcake: tzwatch - Displays time and date in specified time zones on console |
| 12:06.36 | yacc | Hmm, how does one specify the masters of a DNS zone file for bind? |
| 12:06.54 | cupcake | Bushmills: cool,thx |
| 12:06.57 | abrotman | yacc: #bind |
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| 12:09.42 | cupcake | Bushmills: ? it config my timezone once and that's it. i want to see time in new york as well |
| 12:09.50 | troubled | abrotman: ⥠red tape :) |
| 12:09.55 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:09.56 | Bushmills | cupcake: tzwatch Australia/Darwin |
| 12:10.01 | troubled | abrotman: <3 |
| 12:10.15 | Bushmills | replace Darwin against your monitored TZ |
| 12:10.34 | abrotman | troubled: okay then |
| 12:10.36 | troubled | abrotman: that utf char not display right? |
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| 12:11.02 | troubled | abrotman: or did you not get the "red tape" part? |
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| 12:11.12 | cupcake | Bushmills: ah.. i see how it works, i just need to keep adding timezone, |
| 12:11.32 | cupcake | Bushmills: by the way, that command u gave, no work |
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| 12:12.15 | Bushmills | cupcake: oh right, i had darwin configured. thought one could just pass the location as arg |
| 12:12.32 | abrotman | troubled: the UTF borked |
| 12:12.48 | cupcake | Bushmills: anyways, it's cool. great command line app |
| 12:13.32 | troubled | abrotman: thought so. sorry, it was meant to be a heart char |
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| 12:14.33 | abrotman | troubled: ah .. so what's red tape? |
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| 12:14.55 | nevyn | beaurocracy. |
| 12:15.14 | abrotman | nevyn: no shit .. really? |
| 12:15.22 | nevyn | you asked. |
| 12:15.22 | troubled | abrotman: in the context to which I was refering, sending him off to the next channel and 'passing the buck' |
| 12:15.41 | abrotman | troubled: well .. the other place is a bit better of a place to ask |
| 12:15.42 | troubled | I figure they should send him back our way in 5 or 10 min :) |
| 12:15.46 | cupcake | Bushmills: oh... gworldclock and tzwatch are the same app? |
| 12:16.03 | Bushmills | cupcake: no, shouldn't |
| 12:16.19 | troubled | abrotman: I know, I was kinda meaning it as more of a joke though ;) |
| 12:16.22 | cupcake | Bushmills: haha.... "hong kong" is still listed as a country. it was return to china a while back |
| 12:16.34 | abrotman | troubled: feel free to answer his question :) |
| 12:16.51 | Bushmills | gworldclock is afaik a graphical frontend to tzwatch |
| 12:16.54 | troubled | abrotman: channel redirecting happens hundreds of times a week, its ok to poke fun at it once in a blue moon ya know :) |
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| 12:17.05 | cupcake | Bushmills: gworld clock and tzwatch use the same config file. gwc is the gui version of tzwatch |
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| 12:17.57 | Bushmills | cupcake: you're right. not a graphical frontend in the sense of depending on tzwatch |
| 12:18.08 | cupcake | Bushmills: a simple app like to do simple time conversion is so much of a hassle on windoze box |
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| 12:18.42 | steinchen | can, or WOULD you recommend any password manager? (zsafe/kwallet...) ?? |
| 12:19.29 | cupcake | Bushmills: if i can pipe the output of tzwatch to apache and have it on the web, that will be great. |
| 12:19.42 | Bushmills | isn't it just adding TZ*3600 to (seconds since) epoch, and displaying mod 60, mod 60, mod 24 from mod 86400 of that? |
| 12:19.45 | cupcake | Bushmills: i ll have to come up with a script |
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| 12:20.27 | Bushmills | gettimeofday() is standard C lib fn, also available under windows. |
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| 12:21.08 | ranix^ | apt, are you there |
| 12:21.15 | Bushmills | i could do that as script in my editor in one or 2 lines :) |
| 12:21.16 | ranix^ | !test |
| 12:21.16 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 12:21.22 | ranix^ | guess not |
| 12:21.24 | cupcake | Bushmills: i don't use C under windows. mostly for me , on linux instead |
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| 12:21.51 | abrotman | apt: hi |
| 12:21.51 | apt | que tal, abrotman |
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| 12:21.55 | Bushmills | in one line. |
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| 12:22.55 | Bushmills | anyway, if you can read or obtain epoch, it should be a piece of cake., |
| 12:22.58 | cupcake | Bushmills: tzwatch > /var/www/somewhere/here.txt |
| 12:23.38 | cupcake | Bushmills: no refresh or real time though |
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| 12:24.55 | Bushmills | (there may be the issue of leap seconds though, but depending on the tzdata tables one uses one can ignore or respect them) |
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| 12:25.52 | cupcake | ok. i have to reboot machine. laters |
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| 12:30.00 | my007ms | i have some rar file |
| 12:30.10 | my007ms | how can i use them |
| 12:31.08 | my007ms | i find there is rar package ;) |
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| 12:37.00 | anakim | hi, does someone know what is the location dpkg-deb expects to find debian-binary and copyright files? |
| 12:37.12 | Airbottle | hey, this is my smb.conf file: http://pastebin.com/m7e6e4eff , everytime i restart, i can browse my local network (Locations => network servers) but after about 5 minutes, the computers are disappeared, so i cannot access them via locations => network servers, but i can connect with them if i do it via locations => connect with server, and fill in the server name, since its quite convenient to be able to browse the network, i want to access it via locations |
| 12:37.34 | sound_heart | my debian laptop automatically and periodically black out its backlight, I have to close the lid, press ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+f2 every several minutes, please help. |
| 12:37.49 | sound_heart | ctrl+alt+f7, sorry. |
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| 12:41.44 | Bushmills | sound_heart: sounds like some sort of power management misfeature. i'd start looking at the BIOS setup, and disable powersaving features there for a start. |
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| 12:42.56 | Airbottle | hmz, strange things happen |
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| 12:47.29 | sound_heart | Bushmills, ok, thanks. |
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| 13:09.14 | my007ms | in Fedora i was used to install openssl-devel to install opensll header file |
| 13:09.16 | macafe | I have the error "mount: //10.1.1.2/ is not a valid block device" when I try mount with samba using this command `mount //10.1.1.2/ /media/lm_win/ -o umask=0,locale=pt_BR.iso88591,username=cardoso,password=xxxx`... Anyone can help me with this? |
| 13:09.30 | my007ms | what is the package name i need in debian |
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| 13:13.38 | streuner | my007ms: search for "openssl dev" or such |
| 13:14.10 | Bushmills | my007ms: apt-cache search openssl header |
| 13:14.14 | debian | Can I run java? |
| 13:14.17 | Bushmills | heafers |
| 13:14.20 | streuner | !info libssl-dev |
| 13:14.25 | dpkg | libssl-dev: (SSL development libraries, header files and documentation), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 0.9.8g-8 (sid), Packaged size: 2026 kB, Installed size: 5564 kB |
| 13:14.33 | Bushmills | grr |
| 13:14.35 | Bushmills | headers |
| 13:14.46 | Bushmills | oh. |
| 13:14.47 | Bushmills | redo |
| 13:14.54 | Bushmills | apt-cache search openssl header :) |
| 13:14.59 | my007ms | yes it's libssl-dev |
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| 13:21.22 | debian | I just read, microsoft have made linux illegal in norway... |
| 13:21.42 | debian | We have to delete it within twelve houres! |
| 13:22.01 | Rienzilla | yeah yeah |
| 13:22.04 | SlimeyPete | I just read that the date is 1st April 2008. |
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| 13:22.24 | debian | Doh |
| 13:22.30 | debian | I cant fool anyone |
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| 13:22.39 | toad_ | how does debian encrypt its passwords (on etch) ? |
| 13:22.56 | toad_ | is it still md5-based? |
| 13:23.26 | Bushmills | toad_: choice between two hashes, md5 is one of them. |
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| 13:23.52 | ghoul2083 | how can i check if my kernel is patched with wlan support? |
| 13:23.57 | toad_ | Bushmills: and the other one is the older password crypt thing? |
| 13:24.03 | Bushmills | toad_: yes |
| 13:24.13 | toad_ | is there any reasonably simple password i can install to support something that isn't known-broken? |
| 13:24.19 | Bushmills | ghoul2083: try zless /proc/config.gz |
| 13:24.23 | toad_ | e.g. salted SHA? |
| 13:24.39 | toad_ | err package |
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| 13:25.16 | abrotman | toad_: yes md5 |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | on etch anyways .. though i believe oyu can force it to salt |
| 13:25.29 | toad_ | abrotman: md5 is broken |
| 13:25.39 | toad_ | it's salted i think |
| 13:25.48 | ghoul2083 | Bushmills: there is no /proc/config.gz |
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| 13:26.29 | Bushmills | ghoul2083: unlucky. i usually set it on when compiling a kernel. contains a copy of .config options when it was compiled. |
| 13:26.47 | Bushmills | ghoul2083: but stock kernels don't have that turned on. |
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| 13:27.19 | ghoul2083 | Bushmills: is there a howto to enable wlan in kernel? |
| 13:27.47 | toad_ | hmmm i don't think there are second preimage attacks yet for md5... |
| 13:27.52 | toad_ | so it's sorta vaguely safe |
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| 13:29.55 | abrotman | wtf was that all about? |
| 13:30.07 | Nai_2 | hi, i have kernel 2.6.18-6-686 on my debian, vmware is asking for include files, apt-cache search headers shows me only up to 2.6.18-5 ,should i grab the kernel headers from elsewhere and dump in include dir? or change my sources |
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| 13:32.55 | Bushmills | ghoul2083: stock kernels should be wlan enabled. you might have to install additional package with specific drivers. |
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| 13:33.12 | Bushmills | linux-wlan-ng for example |
| 13:33.24 | Bushmills | depends a bit on your wlan chip |
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| 13:34.32 | abrotman | Nai_2: aptitude update .. try again |
| 13:34.49 | ghoul2083 | Bushmills i used ndiswrapper with my Netgear WG111v2 USB but i can't see it at wlan0 |
| 13:35.10 | sound_heart | Bushmills, i've disabled the power-saving features in bios except hdd timer. Problem still exists |
| 13:35.17 | ghoul2083 | i guess my kernel support for wlan is not enabled |
| 13:35.35 | Bushmills | sound_heart: next i'd disable things like apm or/and acpi |
| 13:35.37 | Nai_2 | abchirk, oki |
| 13:35.48 | Nai_2 | abrotman, ok |
| 13:35.57 | Nai_2 | abchirk, sry mistype |
| 13:35.59 | Bushmills | sound_heart: scpi can afaik be disabled on boot command line, noacpi, iirc |
| 13:36.00 | sound_heart | what are these? |
| 13:36.05 | Bushmills | but don't take my word for it |
| 13:36.20 | Bushmills | !bootoptions |
| 13:36.30 | Bushmills | !noacpi |
| 13:36.34 | Bushmills | hm |
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| 13:37.10 | sound_heart | !bootoptions |
| 13:37.15 | sound_heart | !noacpi |
| 13:37.26 | zamuro | !kiss me |
| 13:37.26 | dpkg | smooches zamuro on the neck |
| 13:37.26 | Nai_2 | abrotman, that did not change the output of my apt-cache search after it finished updating |
| 13:37.38 | abrotman | Nai_2: paste your sources somewhere |
| 13:37.50 | abrotman | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 13:37.53 | abrotman | !info linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 etch |
| 13:37.59 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686: (Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 275 kB, Installed size: 4800 kB |
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| 13:38.32 | Nai_2 | abrotman, http://sial.org/pbot/30695 |
| 13:38.33 | sound_heart | Bushmills, you mean I must run these boot commands every time the pc starts up? |
| 13:39.03 | abrotman | so "linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686" doesn't exist on your system ? |
| 13:39.06 | sound_heart | what's more I don't even know how to run these commands. |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | Nai_2: uname -a .. what does it say ? |
| 13:39.27 | Nai_2 | Linux silver 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:39.39 | debian | Silver? Kan I ahve gold+ |
| 13:39.40 | debian | ? |
| 13:39.47 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 13:39.52 | abrotman | that's what you're looking for |
| 13:39.55 | Bushmills | sound_heart: no. but that's a way to figure out what causes the problem. |
| 13:40.11 | Bushmills | also, your boot loaded allows you to specify those commands during boot in your place. |
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| 13:40.49 | sound_heart | Bushmills, could you please show me what lines i need to run and how to run them? |
| 13:40.51 | Nai_2 | abrotman, add that into source? |
| 13:40.55 | abrotman | no |
| 13:41.08 | abrotman | Nai_2: apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6 .. paste all that output somewhere |
| 13:41.48 | ohcib1 | is it safe to not use wpa and only control the access with a mac-adress-access-list? |
| 13:41.53 | Bushmills | sound_heart: look up the required kernel boot param in the howto, which is probably installed on your machine. you know better than i do what boot loader you use, for example/ |
| 13:42.08 | sound_heart | grub. |
| 13:42.21 | Bushmills | "e" during boot |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | ohcib1: that's up to you |
| 13:42.29 | Bushmills | allows you to edit the boot command line |
| 13:42.33 | Nai_2 | abrotman, i see linux-headers-2.6.18-6 half way down now |
| 13:42.58 | sound_heart | Bushmills, so after that, what should i write into that line? |
| 13:43.07 | Bushmills | /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/BootPrompt-HOWTO.gz |
| 13:43.11 | ohcib1 | abrotman: what do you mean its up to me? is it safe or not? |
| 13:43.25 | abrotman | ohcib1: ask #wireless |
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| 13:44.23 | ohcib1 | abrotman: thx |
| 13:44.48 | Ace2016 | hey where is wols? did he leave because of april fools? |
| 13:45.08 | Nai_2 | abrotman, apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 ,thx this is running now, and getting deps kbuild, etc. thanks you |
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| 13:50.14 | Nai_2 | if something complains about no linux directory in the specified include area (the header files are sitting in /usr/src) should i just simlink linux-headers-2.6.18-6 -> linux ? |
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| 13:50.54 | abrotman | Nai_2: maybe ask #vmware ? |
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| 13:51.36 | Nai_2 | abrotman, ok, thx again, bye for now |
| 13:52.47 | sound_heart | Bushmills, what do you mean iirc? |
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| 13:53.16 | abrotman | !iirc |
| 13:53.16 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 13:54.16 | Ace2016 | use virtualbox, its better |
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| 13:54.55 | Bushmills | sound_heart: mean by what? |
| 13:55.10 | Bushmills | ah |
| 13:55.12 | Bushmills | iirc |
| 13:55.20 | sound_heart | ic. |
| 13:55.24 | Bushmills | !iirc |
| 13:55.24 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 13:55.47 | sound_heart | there is no information about apm in the howto. |
| 13:55.57 | sound_heart | Bushmills. |
| 13:56.02 | Bushmills | oh. thanks abrotman. you were a bit quicker than me |
| 13:56.13 | Bushmills | sound_heart: look for acpi |
| 13:56.46 | Bushmills | maybe there is a howto_read_a_howto |
| 13:57.06 | sound_heart | Bushmills, got it: pci=noacpi |
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| 13:57.18 | Bushmills | look further down |
| 13:57.31 | sound_heart | This disables the use of ACPI routing information during the PCI |
| 13:57.32 | sound_heart | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.58 | sound_heart | that's all. |
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| 13:59.04 | xplozion | morning everyone |
| 13:59.24 | sound_heart | ok, it's really late here, bye. Thank you Bushmills |
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| 14:01.32 | xplozion | How can i make my debian webserver to auto go to my https? |
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| 14:01.52 | xplozion | example when people join http://foo.org auto redirect to https://foo.org |
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| 14:02.22 | R1ck | either make an index.php with <? Header("Location: https://foo.org")?> or use ProxyPass |
| 14:02.45 | hetauma | any ideas how can I mount other partitions as user? when I try to access them from "computer" it says that I'm not privilleged to mount volume. and that user is in plugdev |
| 14:02.55 | Justin | R1ck: eh? neither of those things would help |
| 14:02.56 | abrotman | xplozion: you can ask #apache .. using something like RedirectMatch |
| 14:03.13 | Bushmills | hetauma: fuse may be an option |
| 14:03.24 | Bushmills | or ask admin to setup fstab to allow users to mount |
| 14:03.38 | xplozion | R1ck, thanks |
| 14:03.41 | xplozion | abrotman, thanks |
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| 14:04.09 | abrotman | Justin: well .. the header redirect could .. but RedirectMatch is probably better i'd think |
| 14:04.10 | Bushmills | but plugdev sounds like removable devices, automounted. |
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| 14:04.55 | xplozion | Justin, what would help then? |
| 14:05.08 | hetauma | Bushmills, so just set up the fstab |
| 14:05.15 | xplozion | i have done this before, editing the conf files, but i cant remember how i did it :/ |
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| 14:05.22 | abrotman | xplozion: you should really ask #apache |
| 14:05.25 | R1ck | Justin: well, I agree ProxyPass isnt right, but an index.php which redirects should work just fine |
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| 14:05.33 | Bushmills | hetauma: not with removable devices, they usually don't have an fstab entry |
| 14:05.38 | xplozion | abrotman, ok i will |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | R1ck: what's wrong with just an HTML file? |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | what the heck do you need PHP for |
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| 14:05.49 | Bushmills | but if there is one, add user to its options |
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| 14:06.12 | R1ck | a PHP file does it with a header, HTML doesnt |
| 14:06.13 | hetauma | Bushmills, I'm talking for hdd |
| 14:06.22 | R1ck | ofcourse nothing wrong with a .html file |
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| 14:06.27 | Bushmills | perfect place then |
| 14:06.33 | R1ck | just a matter of preference i guess |
| 14:07.02 | Justin | R1ck: and what happens if they went to some other url than index.php ? |
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| 14:07.30 | Justin | R1ck: what happens once it redirects them to https://foo/index.php, and it redirects them again to the same url? |
| 14:07.54 | abrotman | R1ck: you're serious? |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | R1ck: please tell me that you don't do web programming for a living |
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| 14:08.19 | konadr | i have a hp dl320g5 with an intel 82801GR raid controller, when i try to install with debian it doesnt see the raid1 setup, but if i go to install with suse 10.3 it gives the option of the raid or straight to the disks for installation. Is there anything I can do with etch to force it to see the raid controller? |
| 14:08.24 | R1ck | I redirect many sites that way, including subpages |
| 14:08.34 | R1ck | abrotman: I dont, but whats wrong with it? |
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| 14:08.46 | abrotman | your bit about how html does it vs php |
| 14:09.10 | R1ck | abrotman: for html you'd do it via <meta http-equiv='refresh' etc right? |
| 14:09.18 | xplozion | come on guys, relax, dont start a fight ;) |
| 14:09.45 | R1ck | thats not an HTTP header, thats just HTML.. with PHP you can do a 301 (google-friendly) redirect |
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| 14:10.26 | aspWork | what would be the easiest way to get a resent webkit build in my sid system? is download the src and compiling the only option? |
| 14:11.41 | abrotman | aspWork: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 14:12.04 | aspWork | i want to have a recent build of a webkit based browser to check my designs/pages in |
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| 14:12.21 | aspWork | something like i have safari with nightly webkit under windows/osx |
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| 14:12.41 | abrotman | aspWork: uhm .. apt-cache search epiphany webkit |
| 14:12.47 | aspWork | i have that installed |
| 14:12.48 | abrotman | or just apt-cache search webkit |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | so what's wrong with that? |
| 14:13.18 | aspWork | it doesn't pass the acid3 test :) |
| 14:13.22 | konadr | away |
| 14:13.25 | abrotman | none of them do |
| 14:13.39 | aspWork | safari does, under windows, from time to time |
| 14:14.10 | abrotman | oh .. sounds great |
| 14:14.17 | R1ck | abrotman: so, whats wrong with it? or were you just trying to insult without realizing what you were talking about? |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | nope, i'm just not discussing it |
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| 14:14.46 | abrotman | zero interest in spending an hour discussing it |
| 14:14.57 | aspWork | epiphany doesn't render anything on the acid3.acidtests.org page |
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| 14:15.25 | xshao | hi everyone |
| 14:15.37 | aspWork | it just hangs on the transfering data |
| 14:16.05 | aspWork | and it fails the acid2 test as well, so i guess the webkit in the unstable rep is kinda dated |
| 14:16.11 | R1ck | abrotman: so why bring it up anyway.. thats not very nice of you to try and insult me that way now is it? whats wrong with you? i was just trying to help the guy |
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| 14:16.23 | abrotman | R1ck: drop it |
| 14:17.13 | R1ck | sure i'll drop it. just hope you'll think twice next time you're going to insult a random guy for trying to help another |
| 14:17.33 | slidesinger | Is there any way to write a floppy.img file to a thumbdrive? |
| 14:17.45 | stew | R1ck: please just move on. this discussion has strayed too far and is not productive in any case. |
| 14:17.46 | R1ck | slidesinger: you can probably dd it |
| 14:18.18 | stew | slidesinger: "cp floppy.img /dev/whatever" where /dev/whatever is the device name of the drive/partition you want to copy it to |
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| 14:23.02 | xshao | hi everyone, i'm having a problem where my ip is set to static and my ip is coming from dhcp (for whatever reason). Here is my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.ca/966105 -- along w/ the output of ifconfig. i did an /etc/init.d/networking restart - still get a dhcp lease :-/ any help would be appreciated :) |
| 14:23.34 | Justin | xshao: you have a dhcp client running, kill it |
| 14:23.49 | xshao | ok, let me try that. |
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| 14:26.32 | xshao | killed dhclient, and restarted /etc/init.d/networking - still get the same ip though :-/ |
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| 14:27.00 | Ace2016 | xshao: whats wrong with the ip you have? |
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| 14:27.19 | xshao | it is a dhcp ip - and it is a server that should have a static ip :-P |
| 14:27.33 | xshao | want it to match what is in the local dns |
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| 14:28.23 | Ace2016 | maybe ask in #netowrking |
| 14:28.31 | Ace2016 | oh wait |
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| 14:28.45 | Ace2016 | ##networking is what you need |
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| 14:29.29 | xshao | Justin, kill dhcp client doesn't seem to be working/ |
| 14:29.55 | Justin | xshao: what does "doesn't seem to be working" mean? |
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| 14:30.04 | Ace2016 | its confusing |
| 14:30.22 | Justin | xshao: either a dhcp client is running, or it is not |
| 14:30.27 | Justin | xshao: is a dhcp client running? |
| 14:30.37 | xshao | justin, you told me to kill dhcp, now it's not running. |
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| 14:31.10 | xshao | justin, DHCP is NOT running. |
| 14:31.15 | stew | xshao: if you kill dhclient. then check to see if it isn't running. it isn't, then you "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and another dhclient is running? |
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| 14:32.05 | xshao | stew, not DHCP is running at the moment |
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| 14:32.58 | xshao | but this output still show a dhcp ip :yet my ip is coming from dhcp!? Can anyone shed some light on this for me? |
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| 14:33.43 | xshao | ifconfig -a |
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| 14:33.45 | xshao | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:4f:af:e7:69 |
| 14:33.47 | xshao | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.26 | stew | xshao: show us the output of "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:35.21 | xshao | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
| 14:35.23 | xshao | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:14:4f:af:e7:69 |
| 14:35.25 | xshao | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.37 | stew | xshao: don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
| 14:36.03 | xshao | I am new to pastbin, sorry. |
| 14:36.06 | Justin | xshao: you probably want to uncomment that auto eth0 line |
| 14:36.40 | stew | xshao: get rid of the allow-hotplug line and uncommont the auto line |
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| 14:37.01 | xshao | OK. thanks. |
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| 14:38.28 | toad_ | what package do i need for Java Web Start to work? |
| 14:38.42 | Justin | toad_: you have the javaws program? |
| 14:38.46 | xshao | Justin, auto eh0 line is commented out now |
| 14:38.47 | toad_ | ah |
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| 14:38.51 | toad_ | it's just not on the path |
| 14:38.54 | toad_ | i see |
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| 14:39.09 | toad_ | well it ought to be ... the other java utils are (e.g. javah) |
| 14:39.14 | stew | xshao: you don't want it commented out |
| 14:39.33 | xshao | Got it. |
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| 14:40.11 | jeremy_c | Our mail server (debian, exim) is being blocked by some type of mail system when delivering to certain addresses. http://www.robtex.com/dns/iceman.advancedpricing.com.html ... Can someone help me determine what they think is wrong? I'm more of a programmer than system admin, unfortuantly. |
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| 14:40.28 | stew | this doens't really explain what started dhclient in the first place |
| 14:40.36 | Justin | stew: his previous config |
| 14:41.00 | stew | Justin: you mean at one point he had dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces instead of a static ip? |
| 14:41.07 | Justin | stew: he said so |
| 14:41.51 | denken | is there a way to define what order pci devices are probed (and mapped) during bootup? i have three SATA controllers on this machine and depending where disks are plugged, etc. one controller might get sda thru sdf on one bootup then get sdg thru sdl on the next. |
| 14:41.53 | stew | Justin: i don't see where |
| 14:42.17 | Justin | stew: http://pastebin.ca/966105 |
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| 14:43.46 | Justin | denken: why does it matter what device is what? |
| 14:43.49 | jeremy_c | Is it because we are pointing many sub domains to an IP as a A instead of CNAME? |
| 14:44.47 | Justin | jeremy_c: uh, it is because whatever message the remote mail server gives you when you try to send mail |
| 14:45.15 | jeremy_c | Justin: yes, I am aware of that, but that URL is the URL they give us to figure it out. |
| 14:45.17 | denken | Justin: for one, sda isnt always the same disk (which breaks booting). I've gotten around that by using software raid, so mdadm just finds /dev/md0 and boots from it. However i still need to do things like temp. monitoring on disks, offsite rotation (this is a hard drive based backup and AoE system) and other things |
| 14:45.21 | jeremy_c | Justin: the error code is simple: 550 spam |
| 14:45.23 | jeremy_c | that's it. |
| 14:45.33 | denken | having each hot swap bay show up as a consistent /dev entry would be incredibly useful |
| 14:45.43 | Justin | denken: you don't need to use raid, you can just use LABEL and UUID in /etc/fstab |
| 14:45.53 | Justin | denken: for the other disks, use /dev/disk/by-... |
| 14:46.36 | petemc | jeremy_c: do the likes of yahoo and hotmail accept mail from you? |
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| 14:47.00 | jeremy_c | petemc: yes, we've never had anything blocked before in the 4 years or so we've been running the mail server. |
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| 14:47.23 | oggei | hi |
| 14:47.29 | Justin | jeremy_c: maybe you are sending spam? |
| 14:47.39 | Justin | jeremy_c: "advancedpricing" sounds spamish |
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| 14:48.49 | jeremy_c | No, the person who got the rejection forwarded the email message. It's in response to an email sent to him about a medical claim that was not priced correctly. |
| 14:49.14 | jeremy_c | Justin: the full name is advanced medical pricing solutions, we audit hospital medical claims for insurance companies. |
| 14:49.31 | petemc | jeremy_c: send a mail to pete@barlibrary.com |
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| 14:50.29 | stew | jeremy_c: use http://www.robtex.com/ to see if the ip of the server is listed on rbls |
| 14:51.09 | jeremy_c | petemc: sent. |
| 14:51.38 | petemc | received fine here |
| 14:52.01 | jeremy_c | petemc: yeah, I've run the mail server here for 4+ years w/o any problem. |
| 14:52.04 | jeremy_c | stew: looking. |
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| 14:53.52 | petemc | we do a good number of rbl checks, seemed ok here |
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| 14:54.13 | Justin | jeremy_c: sounds like the site you were sending to may just have a broken mail server |
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| 14:54.58 | jeremy_c | petemc: Justin: OK. I'll start working w/them. Just wanted to do that as a last resort as they are a potential client which we of course want to do business with :-/ |
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| 14:55.30 | jeremy_c | stew: robtex.com says we are OK on all RBL's they check (minus the ones that they could not get an answer on due to timeout. |
| 14:55.40 | petemc | it would be easy enough to route mail destined for them through another box if you needed to |
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| 14:57.02 | denken | Justin: hmm interesting. do you know if /dev/disk/by-id will work inside grub for the root= parameter? |
| 14:57.15 | Justin | denken: root= just gets passed to the kernel |
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| 14:57.33 | denken | right but /dev doesnt get populated until / is mounted |
| 14:57.46 | Justin | denken: you should use the label and uuid stuff in /etc/fstab |
| 14:58.52 | denken | hmm yes. thanks, i appreciate your input :) |
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| 15:01.37 | afaict | halo folks |
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| 15:02.25 | nvz | halo? see #microsoft |
| 15:02.28 | nvz | heh |
| 15:03.00 | afaict | ola pessoal, tudo bom ? |
| 15:03.04 | stew | denken: you can use root=UUID=123413241324 in grub |
| 15:03.06 | stew | !pt |
| 15:03.06 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 15:03.35 | denken | stew: ah thats what i was looking for |
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| 15:03.37 | denken | stew: thanks :) |
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| 15:04.07 | afaict | i`m kidding |
| 15:04.30 | afaict | folks, my dear fellows at work uses Apache::Constant in their app. |
| 15:04.49 | afaict | I would like to know if i can use apt-get to install these modules instead of using CPAN |
| 15:05.10 | afaict | they belong to perl but isnt installed by default |
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| 15:05.55 | afaict | sorry/ |
| 15:06.05 | afaict | im bac |
| 15:06.07 | afaict | back |
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| 15:06.27 | afaict | im back again |
| 15:06.32 | denken | afaict: if they arent in apt already, you can always dh-make-perl them |
| 15:06.38 | denken | then install locally |
| 15:06.54 | stew | afaict: use apt-file to search for Apache/Constant ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 15:07.33 | denken | ah it is in there then |
| 15:08.24 | afaict | stew dh-make-perl and apt-file is not installed |
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| 15:08.51 | stew | afaict: you can install them |
| 15:09.02 | afaict | stew im installing |
| 15:09.19 | konadr | i have a hp dl320g5 with an intel 82801GR raid controller, when i try to install with debian it doesnt see the raid1 setup, but if i go to install with suse 10.3 it gives the option of the raid or straight to the disks for installation. Is there anything I can do with etch to force it to see the raid controller? |
| 15:09.50 | afaict | denk how dh-make-perl works? im planning to install these modules using debian repository to let then always up to dat. |
| 15:09.56 | afaict | date |
| 15:10.13 | idimmu | dh-make-perl just packages cpan |
| 15:10.34 | idimmu | you'll still be 'fucked' if the cpan updates as you'll have to make a new package yourself |
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| 15:11.07 | afaict | idimmu even if i use apt-file too ? |
| 15:11.22 | afaict | idimmu apt-file i will search for Constant module in some package. right ? |
| 15:12.01 | idimmu | right |
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| 15:15.38 | yang | Once that debian gets installed , how do you make the use of #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 kde-CD Binary-1 20070819-13:00]/ etch contrib main |
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| 15:15.53 | yang | I mean do you need to replace cdrom with some other method? |
| 15:16.35 | yang | If cdrom is at /dev/hda |
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| 15:18.48 | afaict | dh-make-perl will help... at least i will have new packages and i will fill these packages in my mirror |
| 15:18.50 | afaict | thanks flks |
| 15:18.52 | afaict | folks |
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| 15:19.02 | Joelio | Hi guys, I've got a Latitude D630 laptop that I've just installed etch onto, but I can't get the 1440x900 resolution working in X / Gnome.. When I installed it the auto probe function found the right modes, but in Gnome, it's still at 1024x728 |
| 15:19.57 | maligor | that sounds like the closest vesa mode down from 1440x900 |
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| 15:22.14 | tarzeau | does sun blade 100 not work with debian? |
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| 15:26.04 | vvd | ha anyone replaced sysvinit by upstart? any problems? |
| 15:26.35 | stew | vvd: http://bugs.debian.org/upstart |
| 15:26.36 | vvd | has |
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| 15:27.18 | vvd | thats looks promising |
| 15:27.31 | stew | it also could mean that nobody is using it |
| 15:27.36 | vvd | yeah |
| 15:27.53 | vvd | no |
| 15:27.54 | wd40-wkstn | what port ranges does X use? i want to forward them through my router (i know it's insecure, it's just to test) |
| 15:28.03 | vvd | somebody must using it :) |
| 15:28.38 | stew | vvd: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=upstart shows not too many people are |
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| 15:29.32 | stew | vvd: compared to http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=sysvinit |
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| 15:34.34 | yang | Once that debian gets installed , how do you make the use of #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r1 _Etch_ - Official amd64 kde-CD Binary-1 20070819-13:00]/ etch contrib main |
| 15:34.55 | yang | If cdrom is at /dev/hda how are sources.list written properly? |
| 15:34.57 | Justin | yang: what do you mean by make use of? |
| 15:35.11 | Joelio | OK, I've managed to get the resolution to 1440x900 by patching the 915resolution sources, but the driver in xorg.conf is vesa... seeing as the card is a 945/965 then shouldn't I be using i810 (which doesn't work) |
| 15:35.57 | Justin | Joelio: it should be i810 if you have an i810, do you have an i810? |
| 15:36.32 | cast_ | i'm a bit confused, i want to set aptitude --without-recommends in /etc/apt/apt.conf, the manual page says that the -R option corresponds to the configuration options Aptitude::Recommends-Important and Aptitude::Keep-Recommends, so what does one put in apt.conf? |
| 15:36.49 | Justin | Joelio: well, i810 and a few other cards.. probably why the driver is just called intel now :) |
| 15:37.06 | Joelio | Justin: no, but I've been reading the web and it says i810 should work with it.. if that's not the case then what is the correct driver - I presume the vesa one has no hardware acceleration |
| 15:37.17 | Joelio | ahh cool |
| 15:37.35 | Joelio | I'll try that (wasn't in the dpkg -reconfigure... list) |
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| 15:37.41 | Justin | Joelio: you probably don't have it |
| 15:37.53 | Justin | Joelio: what card do you have? |
| 15:38.03 | yang | Justin: how do sources.list know that cdrom line is at /dev/hda ? |
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| 15:38.06 | Joelio | 945 or a 965, not too sure |
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| 15:38.40 | Justin | yang: well, you commented it out, so either way it doesn't matter |
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| 15:39.45 | cast_ | so no one knows how to tell aptitude to not install recommended packages? |
| 15:39.51 | cast_ | ponders |
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| 15:41.00 | Justin | cast_: you put what it tells you to put? |
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| 15:41.39 | Justin | cast_: ah, it seems to be wrong :) |
| 15:41.41 | cast_ | which is? |
| 15:41.41 | yang | Justin: grrr, i need it now, becouse i want to grab packages from the cd |
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| 15:42.24 | Thomsen | Can anyone help me configure my web-server for emailing out? |
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| 15:43.38 | Joelio | Justin: hmm, there's no such thing as an intel module in debian etch.. |
| 15:43.44 | Justin | Joelio: nope |
| 15:44.11 | cast_ | alright, did it through aptitudes gui |
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| 15:44.26 | Justin | cast_: that works.. i bet the manpage in the newer package is fixed |
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| 15:44.33 | Justin | yang: so uncomment it |
| 15:44.50 | rgr | if anyone here is using gnubiff, does the double click action work for you on the email preview popup? |
| 15:45.02 | Joelio | I even tried to install the xserver-xorg-i810 (which say it has 9xx support) but it was already installed.. when I tried the 810 module, it's failing |
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| 15:45.07 | Justin | cast_: er, maybe it is fine now.. it says to use Aptitude::Recommends-Important, you probably put Aptitude::Recommends-Important=false or something |
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| 15:45.36 | edwin_quijada | Hi! |
| 15:45.39 | erdoc | is there a howto about backup and risk management etc? |
| 15:45.46 | Joelio | Justin: I even tried to install the xserver-xorg-i810 (which say it has 9xx support) but it was already installed.. when I tried the 810 module, it's failing |
| 15:46.01 | edwin_quijada | What does mean transition package? |
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| 15:46.29 | Justin | Joelio: you probably need the newer driver |
| 15:46.50 | edwin_quijada | I saw this in kernel core |
| 15:46.54 | cast_ | what the flying fuck |
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| 15:47.05 | Joelio | Justin: what newer driver? |
| 15:47.07 | cast_ | its still installing recommended |
| 15:47.14 | Justin | Joelio: the intel one |
| 15:47.22 | Joelio | Justin: where can I get it? |
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| 15:47.50 | Justin | someone probably packges it for debian, maybe just getting a newer X backport would work |
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| 15:49.39 | cast_ | right, so umm. how do i install the xorg package without installing all the shit that other shit recommends |
| 15:49.48 | Justin | cast_: use apt-get instead? |
| 15:49.59 | abrotman | cast_: you likely don't want to .. it usually results in a non-functional X |
| 15:50.04 | abrotman | (unless you know what you're doing) |
| 15:50.09 | varney | hey, is there a command to enable all modules in Debian? e.g. a2enmod all ? |
| 15:50.27 | varney | rather than type each one separately |
| 15:50.42 | abrotman | you could write a script ? |
| 15:50.49 | cast_ | ahh fuck it. |
| 15:50.57 | cast_ | watches the tiny hd get filled up |
| 15:51.13 | idimmu | how tiny is the hdd? |
| 15:51.15 | idimmu | 140mb? |
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| 15:51.39 | cast_ | 4000* |
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| 15:52.23 | edwin_quijada | what does mean transition package for kernel image smp? |
| 15:52.26 | stew | varney: you don't want them all enabled |
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| 15:53.37 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: it's a package to help from one version of debian to the next .. |
| 15:53.38 | stew | edwin_quijada: now almost all x86 debian kernels are SMP enabled, you don't have to get a separate -smp kernel. so the packages like linux-image-2.6-686-smp are just dependencies on linux-image-2.6-686, to transition you from the old naming scheme to the new |
| 15:54.21 | varney | stew: that's what i was thinking...but i'd rather be able to enable them all and then disable selective ones, just means less typing! |
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| 15:54.32 | Justin | cast_: you can just remove the things you dont want after :) |
| 15:54.45 | stew | varney: you need less than half of them |
| 15:54.47 | Justin | cast_: or doing aptitude install foo bar- baz- works too |
| 15:56.10 | my007ms | what can i do if i need use new xchat that apt-get not offer yet |
| 15:56.18 | my007ms | compile it from source ? |
| 15:56.27 | varney | k thanks stew |
| 15:56.34 | cast_ | my007ms: yes. |
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| 15:56.50 | varney | half of them are enabled anyway it seems (blah is already enabled) |
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| 15:57.21 | superlinux | abrotman hii |
| 15:57.27 | superlinux | are u there man? |
| 15:58.28 | superlinux | what i wanted to say that i have made some debian installation how to's |
| 15:58.31 | superlinux | http://www.plug.ps/plugdocs/videos/ |
| 15:58.49 | superlinux | plz give me your critique |
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| 15:58.58 | loesh | hmm, my network seems to sometimes revert to using dhcp. when i run /etc/init.d/network restart it goes back to the static address i have assigned it. Any clue as to where else i might have left some dhcp config? |
| 15:59.24 | SErge | hello |
| 15:59.35 | superlinux | SErge hi |
| 16:00.17 | SErge | can i install the debian with a single CD ? |
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| 16:00.59 | adama | yes |
| 16:01.28 | SlimeyPete | SErge: sure. |
| 16:01.34 | abrotman | do i need to kick him? |
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| 16:01.56 | SErge | adama, i found there Xfce and KDE with a single Cd, but if i want gnome, can i download debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent ? |
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| 16:02.11 | SErge | abrotman, whom? |
| 16:02.47 | abrotman | SErge: superlinux |
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| 16:07.22 | SErge | so , can i install single debian-40r3-i386-CD-1 or need to get all parts ? |
| 16:07.53 | binghe | [AD] GNU cfengine is very good for SA. |
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| 16:08.37 | cast_ | woops, box froze on killing X :( |
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| 16:09.38 | binghe | [AD] Linux-HA (Heartbeat 2.x) is very good for SA, too. |
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| 16:12.34 | cast_ | hmm, now xorg is saying fatal server error: could not open font 'fixed' |
| 16:12.46 | stew | cast_: is xfonts-base installed? |
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| 16:13.53 | cast_ | sure is |
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| 16:15.09 | stew | !tell root____1 about root |
| 16:15.16 | jelly | binghe: do you have a debian question? |
| 16:15.35 | stew | cast_: put your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin |
| 16:15.57 | cast_ | give me a few minutes, i just purged xorg ^_^ |
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| 16:16.39 | binghe | jelly: I'm just looking for Debian administrators whom using Cfengine or Linux-HA. |
| 16:17.03 | jelly | !ask |
| 16:17.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:19.05 | aUser | hi, how is it possible permits to a generic user with command 'su' to get with a password root privilegies? |
| 16:19.54 | aUser | I have a system with ~100 users. 4 users with command su and a different password can become 'root' |
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| 16:20.15 | stew | aUser: use sudo instead of su, in which case, they use their own password |
| 16:20.47 | aUser | file /etc/sudoers is empty (just dfefault root user) |
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| 16:21.08 | stew | aUser: use visudo to edit the file |
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| 16:21.31 | masus | hi all , can anybody give me a tip on howto limit bandwhidt on debian :/ |
| 16:21.52 | grub | traffic shaping? |
| 16:22.07 | aUser | stew, system doesn't use that. It works without it. I need to know just how to put another user in same conditions |
| 16:22.07 | stew | masus: have a look at the wondershaper package |
| 16:22.32 | masus | stew : i havent look |
| 16:22.36 | stew | aUser: any user can type "su" and get root if they know the root password. if you want them to have different passwords, use sudo |
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| 16:23.06 | masus | grub: yes bandwidth limiting |
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| 16:23.30 | adama | I'm using mdadm and md0 (raid1) remounts itself read-only once in a while, how do I find out why? |
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| 16:23.48 | Rienzilla | masus: http://lartc.org/ |
| 16:24.04 | Rienzilla | complete documentation + cookbook on advanced routing and traffic control |
| 16:24.16 | hoxu | masus, trickle |
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| 16:24.20 | Rienzilla | those guys also wrote the wondershaper |
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| 16:24.36 | Rienzilla | (which is essentially a small script which uses the utilities described in the docs) |
| 16:25.22 | masus | hmm |
| 16:25.25 | masus | ok thanks guys |
| 16:25.45 | masus | trickle or wondershaper :/ |
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| 16:28.05 | hackeron | can someone recommend what I could try to use to repair a truncated wav file? - I can play the file fine but when I try to do anything with it using shntool, it says file truncated |
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| 16:30.19 | DirkGently | hackeron: tried audacity? |
| 16:30.34 | DirkGently | that's a great wav file editor |
| 16:32.01 | stew | hackeron: see if sox will reencode it with "sox fromfile.wav tofile.wav" and see if the result works any better |
| 16:32.05 | edwin_quijada | How can i chane the zone horaria |
| 16:32.15 | adama | I'm using mdadm and md0 (raid1) remounts itself read-only once in a while, how do I find out why? |
| 16:32.24 | hackeron | stew: hmm, let me try that :) |
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| 16:32.32 | hackeron | DirkGently: I need something from the command line |
| 16:32.56 | stew | hackeron: i do that to ditch weird headers that tools like protools add that confuse some other tools |
| 16:33.11 | stew | adama: checked /var/log/syslog and dmesg? |
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| 16:34.04 | adama | stew: dmesg says "journal_bmap: journal block not found at offset 15372 on md0 \n Aborting journal on device md0. \n ext3_abort called. \n EXT3-fs error (device md0): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal \n Remounting filesystem read-only" |
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| 16:34.23 | stew | adama: have you run fsck on it recently? |
| 16:34.34 | adama | a few days ago |
| 16:34.34 | hackeron | stew: hmm, sox says: sox soxio: Failed reading `test.wav': unknown file type `auto' |
| 16:34.54 | hackeron | stew: it plays with mplayer and identified with file test.wav as a standard PCM wav file |
| 16:35.08 | adama | I'll give it a fsck |
| 16:35.25 | stew | hackeron: is it perhaps missing the riff header? maybe its just raw samples? |
| 16:35.43 | hackeron | stew: no, it has the header and identifies by file or even shntool |
| 16:36.01 | hackeron | stew: shntool says file is truncated for length but all other paramenters it detects just fine |
| 16:36.07 | hackeron | stew: it's a file recorded with arecord -f cd |
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| 16:36.25 | hackeron | stew: but instead of ctrl+c out of arecord, arecord was killed with kill -9 |
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| 16:37.34 | stew | hackeron: you can tell it exactly what the file is, if you know, like 'sox -b -r 8000 -c1 -t.wav test.wav output.wav' for a 8k mono 8bit wav |
| 16:38.01 | stew | don't know if that would help sox or not |
| 16:38.07 | hackeron | stew: hmm, let me try |
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| 16:38.39 | adama | stew: fsck says: /dev/md0 contains a file system with errors, check forced. Then 5 "passes" with no errors, then "/dev/md0: 39/61063168 files (10.3% non-contiguous), 2001492/122095984 blocks" |
| 16:38.44 | stew | hackeron: or if it plays with mplayer, you could do somehting like "mpalery -ao pcm:file=/tmp/output.wav test.wav |
| 16:38.46 | hackeron | stew: lol, great: sox soxio: Failed reading `test.wav': unknown file type `wav' |
| 16:38.56 | SexyKen | Anyone here ever make their own Cat5e cables? |
| 16:38.58 | stew | hackeron: forget the -t.wav then |
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| 16:39.07 | hackeron | SexyKen: yeah, all the time these days |
| 16:39.15 | stew | SexyKen: i've crimpled lots of ends on cables if that is what you mean |
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| 16:39.27 | hackeron | stew: then it's back to the original error |
| 16:39.35 | SexyKen | I just wanna know what network kit brands are decent |
| 16:39.49 | bc | does anyone know how to get tiger not to check anything under a certain path? tiger is scanning entire backups |
| 16:39.53 | themill | mines the metal and process the oil to make the plastic before he gets to the crimping bit |
| 16:39.54 | hackeron | stew: this is what file says: test.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, stereo 44100 Hz |
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| 16:40.14 | hackeron | stew: and quicktime, mplayer, even wmp plays the file just fine :( |
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| 16:40.42 | hackeron | stew: but I'm trying to join 2 wav files together shntool keeps whining about the file being truncated, stupid shntool |
| 16:40.44 | themill | hackeron: mplayer or mencoder can often handle slightly dodgy files |
| 16:40.59 | hackeron | themill: but they don't convert files without video streams |
| 16:41.01 | stew | hackeron: then try "mplayer -ao pcm:file=/tmp/output.wav test.wav" and see if shn likes /tmp/output.wav better |
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| 16:41.12 | adama | hackeron: use XMMS, and choose the "Disk Writer" output plugin |
| 16:41.36 | masus | is wondershaper also port based ? |
| 16:41.45 | hackeron | adama: how do I do that from the command line? |
| 16:41.59 | themill | hackeron: they can deal with audio only. You can specify "null" as the video source if you really need to. |
| 16:42.15 | stew | hackeron: hmm, according to soxformat(7) .wav should have been a valid option to -t |
| 16:42.23 | hackeron | SexyKen: errr, I bought a crimper for about 5 quid online and the cheapest rj45 plugs I could find - works fine |
| 16:42.34 | hackeron | themill: I tried, still says video stream mandatory |
| 16:42.37 | hackeron | themill: try it :) |
| 16:42.49 | hackeron | stew: yep, lol |
| 16:42.50 | stew | masus: it classifies optionally by either port or ip |
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| 16:43.09 | hackeron | stew: someone should throw out those tools and start over :) |
| 16:43.25 | themill | hackeron: I use mplayer to convert realaudio streams to wav on a regular basis: mplayer "$STREAM" -ao pcm:file="$WAV" -vc dummy -vo null |
| 16:43.36 | SexyKen | Is cat5e really not good enough for gigabit network? |
| 16:43.42 | petemc | it is |
| 16:43.45 | cast_ | yes. |
| 16:43.57 | hackeron | SexyKen: depends on the amount of electrical and magnetic noise you have |
| 16:44.12 | hackeron | SexyKen: if you run it parallel with a 5a power cable you won't get 10mbit |
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| 16:44.29 | cast_ | erm, i mean, cat5e can do gb, |
| 16:44.33 | hackeron | SexyKen: if you're worried about performance that much, get an FTP (screened cat5) cable :) |
| 16:44.40 | abrotman | cast_: do-ish |
| 16:44.44 | SexyKen | What is cat6 about? |
| 16:44.51 | abrotman | SexyKen: #networking |
| 16:45.04 | ukwiz | how do I install a downloaded deb? |
| 16:45.11 | stew | twisted pairs of monstercable |
| 16:45.14 | abrotman | ukwiz: man dpkg |
| 16:45.21 | masus | stew : thanks |
| 16:45.31 | SexyKen | They're assholes and they banned me. Why, becuase the asshole said I am an idiot for creating my own cables and to buy premade cables. Sorry - I want my rack to be nice, and not have excess cable everywhere |
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| 16:45.37 | ukwiz | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:46.21 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 16:46.52 | stew | SexyKen: for short runs 5e is fine for gigabit |
| 16:47.01 | DirkGently | most ppl make their own cables |
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| 16:47.59 | hackeron | SexyKen: the difference between cat5e and cat6 is a small plastic shield between the pairs which reduces crossfeed (or whatever the interference between the pairs is called) |
| 16:48.16 | abrotman | crosstalk |
| 16:48.17 | DirkGently | crosstalk |
| 16:48.26 | hackeron | SexyKen: you should always make your own cables |
| 16:48.29 | hackeron | abrotman: DirkGently: thanks :) |
| 16:48.41 | abrotman | i think "always" is a bit strong |
| 16:49.00 | DirkGently | remembers the days when crosstalk was only a hifi term |
| 16:49.06 | cast_ | they said my balsawood case would catch fire, they were wrong! |
| 16:49.08 | abrotman | seems a bit excessive to go out and buy 500ft of cable and only plan on using 100ft |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | especially if it's going to be a bunch of 10ft runs |
| 16:49.30 | hackeron | cast_: oooh, have you got pictures? |
| 16:50.08 | cast_ | once somewhere, case is being a bit generous, i didn't have enough wood for side panels :| |
| 16:50.26 | hackeron | abrotman: you can never have too much cat5 lying around :) - that reminds me I'm running out of RJ45 plugs |
| 16:50.29 | Justin | SexyKen: excess cable=good, I'd agree with the people that banned you |
| 16:50.51 | hackeron | cast_: sounds interesting none the less :) -- lets see! |
| 16:50.59 | DirkGently | Justin: depends what you call excess |
| 16:51.09 | abrotman | hackeron: you can if you've no use for it |
| 16:51.10 | hackeron | Justin: hope they don't pay you much |
| 16:51.23 | simonrvn | but to ban him - from what i can tell - for disagreeing? that's silly |
| 16:51.23 | DirkGently | true - a couple of feet to allow for moment |
| 16:51.26 | SexyKen | I'm running from switches to servers, the only excess I'm going to have is enough to slide the server out |
| 16:51.30 | hackeron | abrotman: no use for cat5? - blasphomy! -- I hooked up a projector with one of those, lol |
| 16:52.12 | hackeron | SexyKen: good on you, that's how it's meant to be done |
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| 16:52.49 | matthew-_ | right, debian sid, ls -la gives nice things like ls: .: No data available |
| 16:52.52 | themill | Hmmm... uses for cat5 cables. #1: etherkiller. |
| 16:52.54 | matthew-_ | wtf happened? |
| 16:53.07 | matthew-_ | I just dist upgraded a minute ago |
| 16:53.16 | petemc | cat5 makes a good belt |
| 16:53.22 | SexyKen | http://www.amazon.com/Network-Install-tester-Solid-Plenum/dp/B00006L4VC/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207068542&sr=8-13 |
| 16:53.27 | SexyKen | That a decent kit? |
| 16:53.30 | glen2 | You can have too much cat5, I filled a camper van with the stuff, it confused customs when I told them it was for camping. |
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| 16:54.05 | simonrvn | coreutils? |
| 16:54.16 | matthew-_ | simonrvn: that's what I'm thinking |
| 16:54.16 | themill | glen2: guyropes made from cat5? nice. |
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| 16:54.42 | glen2 | No, I've been to two campsites with 12Gbps internet connections. |
| 16:54.42 | matthew-_ | ls does actually work but ls -la gives an error for every item in the directory and then the real answers |
| 16:54.45 | hackeron | SexyKen: I'd get a separate tester, I bought a couple that were cheap and the worst thing is when suddenly it shows a bad pair because the connectors in the rj45 socket are crap |
| 16:54.54 | matthew-_ | slightly annoying given my PS1 uses ls -la |
| 16:55.08 | hackeron | SexyKen: so get an ok crimper, a great tester and buy the cable bulk - I haven't found bad quality cat5 cable yet and I've been buying cheap :) |
| 16:55.16 | glen2 | The first time I went to a hacker campsite the people staying there used 16Km of cat5 in 12 hours. |
| 16:55.16 | matthew-_ | how can someone break coreutils? |
| 16:55.27 | matthew-_ | just how is that possible? |
| 16:55.31 | SexyKen | hackeron: Should I get shiedled cat5? |
| 16:55.38 | simonrvn | that's where ls is from, coreutils package, i'm installing it now |
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| 16:56.07 | simonrvn | the changelog tells you ;) |
| 16:56.17 | glen2 | Sheilded cat5 protects the cable from interferiance, so use it if you're running it along side power cables. |
| 16:56.33 | hackeron | SexyKen: not usually, but I bought some because the price difference isn't much - it doesn't make much of a difference durability wise if you don't plan to unplug it all the time - and it protects from any possible interference |
| 16:56.49 | hackeron | SexyKen: also, I make video cables from mine :) -- cheap great quality VGA cables from shielded cat5 rule |
| 16:56.58 | simonrvn | matthew-_: SELinux context data |
| 16:57.07 | matthew-_ | simonrvn: yes, I've read that |
| 16:57.13 | themill | matthew-_: do you have selinux contexts on those files? |
| 16:57.18 | matthew-_ | no |
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| 16:57.31 | simonrvn | it's the -l switch doing it |
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| 16:57.46 | themill | !473739 |
| 16:57.51 | themill | !dbugs 473739 |
| 16:57.54 | dpkg | DONE:#473739:N[coreutils] coreutils: ls -l : Operation not supported; Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:48:01 UTC |
| 16:57.54 | themill | bah |
| 16:57.58 | hackeron | SexyKen: normally you don't need them unless you ran them parallel to power lines or near any high power AC |
| 16:58.03 | themill | ^^ that upload is pending still |
| 16:58.05 | SexyKen | Who do you usually buy this stuff from? |
| 16:58.17 | SexyKen | I will be running next to power... |
| 16:58.20 | hackeron | SexyKen: well, I'm in the UK and I buy from cpc.farnell.com |
| 16:58.21 | SexyKen | 40A worth |
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| 16:58.32 | simonrvn | i suppose it's in incoming |
| 16:58.32 | wooden | !ubuntu |
| 16:58.32 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:58.58 | hackeron | SexyKen: next so power look at FTP or STP cables -- FTP is normally sufficient |
| 16:59.14 | simonrvn | http://incoming.debian.org/coreutils_6.10-5_i386.deb |
| 16:59.19 | wooden | Aww, I liked the old def. "Ubuntu: Ancient African word meaning, 'I don't know how to configure Debian.'" |
| 16:59.29 | SexyKen | STP = Shielded twisted pair? |
| 16:59.32 | themill | !start a distro war |
| 16:59.32 | dpkg | start a distro war is probably Debian Rulz |
| 16:59.35 | themill | :( |
| 17:00.43 | Justin | SexyKen: http://www.adc.com/partners/vars/index.jsp |
| 17:00.50 | hackeron | SexyKen: yes, there's foil shielded and shielded -- normally STP (at least the stuff here) comes with an overall joil shield and individual pair shield |
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| 17:00.55 | sobersabre | hi |
| 17:01.10 | SexyKen | hackeron: Harder to cut/strip/crimp? |
| 17:01.12 | sobersabre | I am using grub-set-default program |
| 17:01.15 | hackeron | SexyKen: but that might be overkill :) |
| 17:01.20 | sobersabre | and I don't understand the affect of it. |
| 17:01.44 | stew | sobersabre: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
| 17:01.50 | hackeron | SexyKen: no, but you need screened RJ45 connectors or to run the screen to ground on one end (only on one end!) |
| 17:02.29 | sobersabre | stew: I understand everytime I update a package related to kernel, I run update-grub program, which as I understand rebuilds the boot loader from menu.lst file. |
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| 17:02.40 | hackeron | SexyKen: I haven't used screened RJ45 connectors yet btw, I just run the screen to a grounded piece of metal like a table or the PC casing |
| 17:03.06 | sobersabre | so, is it right to assume that grub-set-default changes the default boot item until the next update-grub ? |
| 17:04.28 | stew | sobersabre: no, update-grub doesnt' rebuild the boot loader, it just edits the AUTOMAGIC section of menu.lst |
| 17:04.36 | simonrvn | matthew-_: get that .deb, it worky |
| 17:04.39 | cast_ | night gys |
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| 17:04.41 | stew | sobersabre: update-grub doesn't affect the default |
| 17:04.56 | stew | (afaik) |
| 17:05.01 | sobersabre | stew... I thought it reads the menu.lst file... so I so with strace ... |
| 17:05.07 | matthew-_ | simonrvn: I downgraded to testing |
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| 17:05.10 | sobersabre | I mean I saw |
| 17:05.13 | stew | sobersabre: yes, it reads menu.lst, then writes to it |
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| 17:05.24 | simonrvn | !sdn |
| 17:05.24 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 17:05.37 | simonrvn | matthew-_: ^^^ |
| 17:05.50 | sobersabre | yes, but if I have "default 0" in the menu.lst, it means update grub does change the boot order to 0. |
| 17:05.54 | sobersabre | right ? |
| 17:05.59 | hackeron | SexyKen: btw, note a bad network cable can crash some equipment on the network so always test your cables -- it was fun when all IP phones crashed in the building once because of a bad cat5, lol |
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| 17:06.20 | hackeron | SexyKen: same thing happens if you connect a cable from one port to another port of the switch on some switches |
| 17:06.33 | SexyKen | Hey hackeron: What do you say about this: http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-CTK400LAN-Professional-Installation-Toolkit/dp/B00006HOUT/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207069492&sr=8-3 |
| 17:07.16 | stew | sobersabre: update-grub doesn't touch "default", however if you have "default=0" instad of "default=saved" i'm not sure what grub-set-default does, if anything at all |
| 17:07.33 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 17:07.46 | sobersabre | so that's why I am here, me too: I don't know what it does :) |
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| 17:08.03 | sobersabre | so, you say I shall edit menu.lst to default=saved. |
| 17:08.04 | stew | sobersabre: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:08.11 | hackeron | SexyKen: hmm, is it me or is the cable tester not have a remote unit for plugging in on an end that's far away? |
| 17:08.15 | sobersabre | I have dual machine. |
| 17:08.17 | my007ms | i need install Mini-Commander but can not find it in apt-get |
| 17:08.23 | sobersabre | I want to be able to switch os remotely. |
| 17:08.36 | sobersabre | linux->reboot->windows works with grub-reboot |
| 17:08.40 | hackeron | SexyKen: also, you are going to be using terminal blocks? |
| 17:08.43 | sobersabre | but the otherwise doesn't. |
| 17:08.50 | jackery | exit |
| 17:08.51 | abrotman | my007ms: mc |
| 17:08.56 | stew | sobersabre: what do you mean by "but the otherwise doesn't." |
| 17:08.58 | SexyKen | hackeron: What are terminal blocks? |
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| 17:09.10 | sobersabre | windows->reboot->windows |
| 17:09.12 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:09.16 | sobersabre | I'm sorry |
| 17:09.27 | sobersabre | I Want to be able remotely set the default item. |
| 17:09.33 | hackeron | SexyKen: those telephone boxes you see where you push the individual wires in |
| 17:09.50 | sobersabre | maybe I shall be looking for windows "grub-client" :) |
| 17:10.18 | hackeron | SexyKen: http://www.amazon.com/TRENDware-CABLE-TESTER-COAX-TC-NT2/dp/B0000AZK08/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207069782&sr=1-4 |
| 17:10.21 | Justin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/110_block |
| 17:10.35 | stew | sobersabre: i don't know how you'd affect the default from windows. ask #grub |
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| 17:10.45 | sobersabre | stew: thanks! |
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| 17:11.13 | SexyKen | hackeron: That's a good tester? |
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| 17:11.42 | hackeron | SexyKen: not sure, good reviews though - as long as it's not cheap and offbrand it's normally good enough |
| 17:12.13 | hackeron | SexyKen: and here's a crimper: http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-RJ45-Medium-Duty-Crimp/dp/B00004Z62S/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207069858&sr=1-8 |
| 17:12.34 | hackeron | SexyKen: then buy the cable and rj45 plugs wholesale |
| 17:12.48 | xuser | are there any downsides when running the 64bit version as a desktop? |
| 17:13.00 | hackeron | SexyKen: I normally get 305m FTP for the same as 100M UTP costs on amazon |
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| 17:13.49 | my007ms | abrotman, mc is midnight commander - a powerful file manager i search for http://www.maruhn.com/mini-commander/ |
| 17:13.57 | hackeron | SexyKen: and made nice and tidy video cables for everything, any cable I run I almost always use ftp - video/cctv/audio/network you name it :) |
| 17:14.07 | my007ms | it's gnome applet i can not find it in list add to panel |
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| 17:15.09 | abrotman | my007ms: you're on etch ? |
| 17:15.23 | my007ms | yes |
| 17:15.39 | abrotman | it's in the gnome-applets package |
| 17:15.44 | abrotman | !find mini-commander etch |
| 17:15.47 | my007ms | but i was install mini system then install gnome with apt-get |
| 17:15.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mini-commander' (2): (/usr/share/icons/gnome/24x24/apps/gnome-mini-commander.png) in gnome/gnome-icon-theme ;; (/usr/share/icons/LowContrastLargePrint/48x48/apps/gnome-mini-commander.png, /usr/share/icons/HighContrastLargePrint/48x48/apps/gnome-mini-commander.png, /usr/share/icons/HighContrastLargePrintInverse/48x48/apps/gnome-mini-commander.png) in gnome/gnome-accessibility-themes. |
| 17:16.04 | abrotman | that kind of failed |
| 17:16.27 | my007ms | so what package i need to install now? |
| 17:17.28 | abrotman | i'm fairly certain it's in gnome-applets |
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| 17:17.42 | abrotman | you have to right click on the panel and add it .. but it's not called minicommander i don't think |
| 17:18.00 | masus | stew : there is only one option , wondershaper eth1 500 100 <-- like this . How to do this port based |
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| 17:18.09 | my007ms | i have gnome 2.14.3.6 |
| 17:18.16 | my007ms | is this the right version |
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| 17:19.44 | grendal_prime | i need to move a "shitload" of files and i need to move ones that were created durring a certain hour. How can i do this based on the time altered attribute for the file? |
| 17:20.12 | grendal_prime | i was thinking mv would have some option for time...but i dont see anything in the man page |
| 17:20.17 | Justin | grendal_prime: use find |
| 17:20.27 | wd40-wkstn | i've got a route problem: |
| 17:20.35 | wd40-wkstn | i've got two nics in a system. eth0 has an ip address of 10.0.0.10 and is not connected to anything; eth1's ip is 192.168.1.100 and is connected to the local lan. the routing table is something like this: 10.0.0.0 goes out of eth0, 192.168.1.0 and 0.0.0.0 goes out eth1. |
| 17:20.44 | grendal_prime | like a bash script that finds it then mvs it loop it? |
| 17:21.23 | Justin | grendal_prime: no need for a script, find will do everything |
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| 17:22.02 | wd40-wkstn | eth0 has to keep its address because of some expensive software whose license is tied to that IP, can i set the route for the 10.0.0.0 network to use the same gateway as the default route? |
| 17:22.33 | Justin | wd40-wkstn: what is the problem? |
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| 17:25.40 | zxcx | debian 4 net install, new server dell 1950, 2x 500 GB SATA raid 1, when i run mysql server i am getting hundreds of tousands times this messege in logs: |
| 17:25.41 | zxcx | status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08 |
| 17:25.42 | zxcx | <6>sd: Current: sense key: Illegal Request |
| 17:25.42 | zxcx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:25.42 | wd40-wkstn | Justin: sorry, nevermind. i thought 'route' was giving me a hard time because of the conflicting address / interface, when it was really just invalid syntax |
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| 17:26.05 | ehird | i am using thttpd |
| 17:26.08 | stew | masus: there are variables inside the script with names like somethingPORTSRC and somethingPORTDST or so |
| 17:26.10 | ehird | it is serving .doc as application/msword |
| 17:26.14 | ehird | i want to serve them as text/plain |
| 17:26.16 | ehird | what do i change? |
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| 17:26.32 | zxcx | also I'am getting tty0 spammed with thouse messeges, what can be wrong? |
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| 17:26.52 | masus | stew:i'll see thanks |
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| 17:28.35 | malakar | Hi I am in the middle of installing debian, I am unable to install grub, is it the right forum to ask question? |
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| 17:28.36 | abrotman | malakar: yes |
| 17:28.36 | stew | zxcx: i'd guess a bug in the scsi driver, or a hardware problem with some scsi/sata hardware |
| 17:28.36 | stew | !tell zxcx about paste |
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| 17:28.42 | zxcx | heh, stew normally there is 5 lines limit |
| 17:28.45 | cleo | hello i have delate Grub and now i want to install and reconfigre it because i can't run my debian now |
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| 17:28.57 | malakar | i coundn't install grub, so finished installing and booted using rescue mode, now i am doing apt-get install grub, it says package grub not available |
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| 17:29.10 | stew | zxcx: no, its always been 4, but if you know you are pasting more than 1 or 2, please use a pastebin |
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| 17:30.27 | zxcx | nevermind stew, |
| 17:30.41 | keith4 | malakar: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:31.14 | keith4 | cleo: try grub-install? |
| 17:31.17 | keith4 | as root |
| 17:31.22 | cleo | yes |
| 17:31.23 | malakar | sources has only security.debain.org, i can't paste it as im on another machine |
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| 17:31.33 | cleo | i have install it now with a live cd |
| 17:31.37 | cleo | so |
| 17:31.43 | malakar | keith4: any repo i need to add? |
| 17:31.50 | keith4 | malakar: heh... yes |
| 17:31.59 | keith4 | you can't do much with *just* security updates |
| 17:32.03 | slidesinger | Running debian testing (lenny) latest dist-upgrade wants to add linux-image-686 when I have been running linux-image-k7. Anyone know why? |
| 17:32.13 | malakar | aah that one is only for security update |
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| 17:32.21 | stew | malakar: if you only have security, that would be the problem. you also need a main mirror: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 17:32.27 | keith4 | slidesinger: what's 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image' show? |
| 17:32.32 | cleo | i have in one hard disk deian and Windows XP and i dual booting i don't have to chose between XP and debian i have only XP |
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| 17:33.16 | keith4 | cleo: if you installed windows last, it will happily overwrite your MBR. you need to re-install grub |
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| 17:33.43 | slidesinger | Calling linux-image-k7 a transition package. |
| 17:33.54 | keith4 | true |
| 17:34.17 | stew | slidesinger: yes, debian is transitioning users of -k7 kernels to -686 kernels |
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| 17:34.25 | cleo | keith4 i have bootet with kubunto live cd and i have install grub now |
| 17:34.42 | cleo | but still not see it when i have restart |
| 17:34.48 | keith4 | cleo: what exact command did you run to install grub? |
| 17:35.15 | cleo | sudo aptitude install grub |
| 17:35.31 | keith4 | cleo: so close! |
| 17:35.34 | cleo | and sudo aptitude reinstall grub |
| 17:35.50 | cleo | keith4 close???? |
| 17:36.06 | keith4 | you installed the grub package into your live environment, but never installed grub onto your disk |
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| 17:36.10 | keith4 | there are two ways to do it, in my opinion. mount your debian partition, chroot to it, and run grub-install from there.... |
| 17:37.12 | keith4 | OR, you can mount your debian partion, run "grub-install --root-directory=/where_debian_is_mounted /dev/somedisk" from the liveCD |
| 17:37.23 | keith4 | i'm sure dpkg has a factoid about it, but I don't know what it is |
| 17:37.44 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.54 | keith4 | yah, that's the stuff |
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| 17:38.18 | malakar | keith4: let me update the sources list and see |
| 17:38.18 | cleo | keith4 i want to speack with about something else prv, so can i ? |
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| 17:38.40 | keith4 | uh |
| 17:38.44 | keith4 | sure |
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| 17:39.42 | itchi | !mbr |
| 17:39.43 | dpkg | mbr is, like, the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr> |
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| 17:40.12 | itchi | Hello! :-p |
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| 17:40.58 | itchi | Cle0: I guess you know how to ask the bot dpkg about fixmbr |
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| 17:44.54 | smaug9 | hi |
| 17:45.03 | strikov | [lenny] i get core-utils installation error (please look http://rafb.net/p/9Z9xmH23.html) |
| 17:45.15 | strikov | hi |
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| 17:46.44 | benjamindees | somebody teach this to dpkg: "To prevent apt from removing indices for commented out cd/dvds in sources.list, chmod u-w /var/apt/lists/Debian*" |
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| 17:49.18 | malakar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.03 | strikov | malakar: e.g. /dev/sda -> MBR /dev/sda1 -> Boot Entry of 1st part |
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| 17:50.43 | malakar | strikov: didn't understand |
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| 17:51.51 | benjamindees | nevermind, added 'apt-cdrom_external' myself :) |
| 17:52.03 | strikov | malakar: one of grub-install params is the target device If you pass e.g. /dev/sda device you move grub boot code to sda disk MBR |
| 17:52.51 | benjamindees | any suggestions for a kerberized mail client in Etch? |
| 17:53.04 | malakar | strikov /dev/hda2 is my "/" so i did grub-install /dev/hda2, do i need to grub-install /dev/hda to install in the MBR ? |
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| 17:53.49 | strikov | /dev/hda -> disk MBR, /dev/hda2 -> 2nd partition boot sector |
| 17:54.10 | strikov | malakar: yes u need /dev/hda |
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| 17:56.13 | St0nedbr | Hi, i've installed the debian with cdrom in hdc, but them i've changed the machine that has a cdrom in hdd, but whein i boot the system alwasy probe hdc, how can i fix this? |
| 17:56.49 | zophy[] | is there a fix for the e100 and eepro100 drivers complaining about eeprom checksums ? |
| 17:56.49 | thc | Uh. |
| 17:57.11 | strikov | St0nedbr: `probe` - what u meen? |
| 17:57.23 | strikov | *mean |
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| 17:58.12 | cheekee | I am having difficulty choosing a new font since Gnome 2.22, so I decided to poll you guys. What is your favourite font? |
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| 17:58.26 | benjamindees | bitstream vera sans |
| 17:59.08 | thc | nima0102: why are you logging in as root |
| 17:59.19 | grendal_prime | so i need find -newer 20080331:01 |
| 17:59.23 | masus | by all |
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| 17:59.26 | grendal_prime | something like that |
| 18:00.22 | abrotman | cheekee: System |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | THC! |
| 18:00.36 | thc | abrotman: what's up dude! |
| 18:00.41 | abrotman | you? |
| 18:00.52 | St0nedbr | strikov, system tries to identify hdc on boot.... and always fails cuz there is nothing in hdc and bios is configured with NONE |
| 18:00.56 | thc | chillin' like bob dylan on penicillin |
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| 18:01.29 | benjamindees | St0nedbr, you should be more specific since nothing should be probing cd drives on boot |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | thc: amoxycillan ? |
| 18:01.41 | cheekee | abrotman: I know! I have been trying out all the fonts on system, but it's not the same as before |
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| 18:01.57 | abrotman | cheekee: no .. System font :) |
| 18:01.59 | Scurz | hi |
| 18:02.09 | strikov | St0nedbr: Why your system tries to boot from CD? If you wanna change root device, try root=/dev/hdd |
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| 18:02.52 | cheekee | abrotman: You mean using the terminal? |
| 18:03.32 | abrotman | cheekee: no .. imean the boring system font .. that works :) |
| 18:04.02 | St0nedbr | sorry my bad english, i've installed the system in a pc that cdrom were in hdc, and them i 've changeg the computer (pick the HD and put in other computer) that has a cdrom in hdd, and now when I boot the system it tries to access hdc... |
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| 18:05.06 | benjamindees | St0nedbr, your english is fine; but *what* 'tries to access hdc' at boot? |
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| 18:05.28 | benjamindees | St0nedbr, are you saying it doesn't boot at all? |
| 18:05.32 | St0nedbr | and show a failure message on hdc, but in boot time |
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| 18:06.14 | benjamindees | St0nedbr, it's more likely that the root drive has changed and has not been updated in fstab and menu.lst |
| 18:06.18 | stew | St0nedbr: you can switch both grub and /etc/fstab to refer to partitions by UUID instead of by /dev/hdc, since UUID won't change. in grub where you have "root=/dev/hdc" make it "root=UUID=12341234" where 12341234 is the uuid. you can discover the uuid by looking at "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 18:06.19 | St0nedbr | benjamindees: boot and works perfectly but i want to remove this message cuz when the system is booting and trying to access hdc slow the boot time.... |
| 18:06.39 | cheekee | abrotman: :-( I have no system font listed. Sans is the default, and it makes me feel that I am going blind. |
| 18:06.48 | stew | St0nedbr: if grub is working, you probably still have to edit /etc/fstab |
| 18:07.11 | benjamindees | St0nedbr, paste the message |
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| 18:07.53 | superlinux | hi all. can you please add this to your bookmarks? free Debian Linux installation tutorials http://www.plug.ps/plugdocs/videos/ |
| 18:07.55 | benjamindees | St0nedbr, use the 'dmesg' command to find it |
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| 18:08.15 | St0nedbr | benjamindees: sorry i'm at my work now and this is happening on my house, and i've no access there, so tomorrow i paste the message,..., thaks for all |
| 18:09.12 | abrotman | cheekee: then try them all |
| 18:09.16 | abrotman | superlinux: stop spamming |
| 18:09.52 | benjamindees | honestly I really wish someone would make *usage* tutorials instead of install tutorials for linux... |
| 18:09.55 | cheekee | I just wanted to find out what were the most popular fonts....what's yours? |
| 18:10.00 | superlinux | abrotman i am not |
| 18:10.19 | abrotman | you are |
| 18:10.20 | stew | superlinux: you are. please stop. |
| 18:10.30 | superlinux | benjamindees i will... just ask bro |
| 18:10.41 | abrotman | superlinux: there is already an installation guide .. if you feel it is inadequate, send patches to fix it. |
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| 18:11.46 | superlinux | i did not find a video on Google or Youtube about Debian installation.. and once some one wanted a howto for LVM |
| 18:12.01 | superlinux | i have made an LVM how to |
| 18:12.08 | superlinux | it's on FTP |
| 18:12.13 | abrotman | superlinux: stop already |
| 18:12.19 | superlinux | ok ok. sorry |
| 18:12.42 | Scurz | I've the scanner canon 3000 F, and with sane-find-scanner, it's detected : http://paste.debian.net/52332 ; but I can't use with xsane because it's "not available for xsane" |
| 18:12.47 | Scurz | what to do ? |
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| 18:14.59 | cheekee | aha! serif Italic looks reasonable |
| 18:15.45 | my007ms | i find i have gnome-applets 2.14.3-4 which is old now |
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| 18:15.57 | my007ms | how i can force my system to update this |
| 18:16.03 | abrotman | you can't |
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| 18:16.29 | stew | my007ms: that is the lastest version for debian stable |
| 18:16.30 | Scurz | any ideas? |
| 18:16.34 | simonrvn | my007ms: you don't, and can't |
| 18:17.36 | my007ms | Fedora have much more newer version in every thing then ;) |
| 18:17.38 | benjamindees | you could update your system to testing |
| 18:17.58 | benjamindees | s/date/grade/ |
| 18:17.59 | my007ms | benjamindees, i need to have update xchat and gnome |
| 18:18.20 | benjamindees | my007ms, you can find a backport for xchat, but likely not for gnome |
| 18:18.31 | benjamindees | that would require an upgrade of the entire distro |
| 18:18.44 | NiLon | how do I run file and get PID of that process? |
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| 18:18.54 | malakar | if i want to run the debian machine in text mode (without X, gnome etc) which runlevel shall i run it? |
| 18:19.03 | NiLon | could be wrote to file for example |
| 18:19.21 | Scurz | malakar: uninstall X |
| 18:19.22 | my007ms | benjamindees, is it normal that fedora have much newer version in every thing ? |
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| 18:19.58 | benjamindees | my007ms, yes; Debian stable isn't called such for nothing. |
| 18:20.35 | benjamindees | my007ms, like I said you can upgrade to testing (lenny) if you'd like |
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| 18:20.51 | malakar | Scruz I want to keep X as i might boot into X as well, just that in grub i want to create an entry for a X less boot |
| 18:21.10 | stew | my007ms: fedora released with gnome 2.20 one month after gnome 2.20 wasa released. debian would never do this, since debian starts freezing the distribution more than one month before the release in order to get the bugs out. |
| 18:21.29 | my007ms | benjamindees, ok i will |
| 18:21.36 | my007ms | can u give me URL pleas |
| 18:21.53 | Scurz | malakar: sorry, so, I don't know |
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| 18:22.02 | laurly | how do i get the mysql funcitons into php to run php comandline. its working if its run though apache. |
| 18:22.06 | Scurz | malakar: I don't know if it's possible... |
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| 18:22.16 | superlinux | my007ms i am running the testing debian distro.. it's OK no worries about it. |
| 18:22.20 | thc | malakar: update-rc.d -f gdm remove && reboot |
| 18:22.36 | thc | malakar: use "start x" to connect to the X server |
| 18:22.44 | thc | s/start x/startx/ |
| 18:22.51 | stew | laurly: make sure /etc/php5/cli/php.ini contains "extension=mysql.so" somewhere |
| 18:23.05 | stew | laurly: (adjust for php4 if that is what you are using) |
| 18:23.09 | superlinux | laurly u must edit the /etc/php-cli/php.ini |
| 18:23.13 | Scurz | thc: mm, yeah..., but I believe he doesn't want to do that...if I've understood |
| 18:23.28 | my007ms | oki then i will change my Q i need URL to upgrade to testing Debian |
| 18:23.37 | NiLon | stew that's windows, in linux it's usually at conf.d if it's somewhere |
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| 18:23.55 | steinchen | hello all! |
| 18:23.57 | laurly | no php-cli or cli dirs in either spots :) |
| 18:24.26 | superlinux | laurly just search for the php.ini file under /etc |
| 18:24.27 | thc | if he removes gdm he can log in normally, and will still have the option of running X |
| 18:24.35 | stew | laurly: is php5-cli installed? is php4-cli installed? |
| 18:24.39 | radicaljoe | How do I get debian to ignore my onboard sound on boot up? |
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| 18:24.41 | ehird | anyone re: thttpd? |
| 18:24.43 | AVRS | hi |
| 18:24.43 | NiLon | laurly echo "extension=mysql.so" > /etc/php5/conf.d/mysql.ini |
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| 18:24.58 | steinchen | how can i see exactly what kind of memory i have installed? on a notebook ibm thinkpad.. |
| 18:25.15 | laurly | apachie says its php5 |
| 18:25.16 | NiLon | laurly I think apt-get install php5-mysql will do that by default anyway |
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| 18:25.24 | stew | steinchen: dmidecode is your best bet |
| 18:25.38 | stew | steinchen: or just look up the specs on the laptop using the module number which is on the bottem |
| 18:25.39 | AVRS | The pointer (of a wacom graphics tablet) has disappeared, and Alt-Tab only beeps. Xfce4. Why would that happen (this is the second time in a few months) |
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| 18:25.43 | laurly | yeah but /usr/bin/php run comand line doesnt have mysql functions. |
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| 18:25.53 | superlinux | laurly look at the suitable one from the list; use this command: find /etc -iname php.ini |
| 18:26.18 | laurly | got 4 :) |
| 18:26.20 | AVRS | Alt-Space also beeps. |
| 18:26.27 | laurly | seams i have php4 and php5 |
| 18:26.33 | superlinux | ok |
| 18:26.36 | steinchen | stew, thanks! |
| 18:26.37 | AVRS | alt-f2 and alt-f4 work |
| 18:26.45 | superlinux | i'd rather remove the php4 by now |
| 18:26.54 | laurly | ./etc/php5/apache2/php.ini /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini /etc/php4/cli/php.ini /etc/php4/cgi/php.ini |
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| 18:27.13 | superlinux | go from now to php5 to discard the confusion |
| 18:27.30 | stew | laurly: show us the output of "apt-cache policy php{4,5}-{cli,mysql}" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:27.33 | NiLon | laurly time to update then :) |
| 18:27.46 | laurly | http://fe.wowportal.dk/index.php <-- apachie |
| 18:27.48 | malakar | thc: I removed the gdm entry from rc* directories, thanks |
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| 18:27.57 | thc | no problem |
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| 18:28.15 | NiLon | laurly use /etc/php5/conf.d/ for your confs |
| 18:28.32 | stew | maybe |
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| 18:28.57 | laurly | ok apt-cache policy php{4,5}-{cli,mysql} shows lots of stuff |
| 18:29.03 | superlinux | i wish i was beside my box at home.. i am a PHP programmer already |
| 18:29.20 | superlinux | i am at my shopkeeping work |
| 18:29.53 | laurly | http://pastebin.com/m730eb72 |
| 18:29.57 | laurly | someone tell me what all that is? |
| 18:30.25 | zophy[] | winxp can use my ethernet pro 100 but debian cannot |
| 18:30.28 | zophy[] | we are lame |
| 18:30.51 | superlinux | laurly i found it |
| 18:30.58 | zinx | 'ethernet pro 100'? if that's an intel card, Debian can use it |
| 18:31.09 | superlinux | look carefully at the what is installed lines mate! |
| 18:31.11 | laurly | ok tell me what you where looking for so i dont have to keep buging you guys with silly questions |
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| 18:31.44 | AVRS | Also, Alt+letter does not open menus, just highlights the titles. |
| 18:32.20 | superlinux | laurly u'll find that the mysql extensions for the corresponding PHPn is not installed |
| 18:32.21 | laurly | kinda looks like theres to much installed do i really need both php4 and php5 |
| 18:32.22 | stew | laurly: so you are using php4-cli but php4-mysql isn't installed. we'd recommend removing php4-cli and replacing it with php5-cli |
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| 18:32.36 | superlinux | so remove all PHP4 stuff |
| 18:32.45 | superlinux | stick to the new stuff |
| 18:33.06 | superlinux | for employment reasons |
| 18:33.08 | laurly | can you tell this is the first time i have tryed to set the server up myself |
| 18:33.16 | stew | laurly: you probably don't need both. it is strongly recommended to upgrade to php5, security support for php4 is going away, and it was abandoned upstream a long time ago |
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| 18:33.32 | superlinux | laurly that's excelent mate.. |
| 18:33.47 | laurly | so you guys feel like walking me though fixing it? |
| 18:34.00 | laurly | or point me in the direction of something to read to fix it |
| 18:34.14 | laurly | i rtfm and set up samba :) |
| 18:34.15 | superlinux | laurly just do apt-get remove php4-* stuff |
| 18:34.18 | superlinux | ok? |
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| 18:34.31 | superlinux | i mean uninstall them |
| 18:34.34 | malifal | hello, i'm having a problem with the latest kernel (testing 2.6.24), sometimes it boots normally but most the time it keeps giving errors about the harddisk or controller or something like that (i'm positive i don't have harddisk problems). I didn't have this problem with the previous kernels. is this a known bug and does anybody know of a fix? |
| 18:34.36 | laurly | this isnt going to make apachie happy is it |
| 18:34.38 | setuid | What's the dpkg/apt command to find out the details of a package? (url, package maintainer, etc.) |
| 18:34.47 | superlinux | yeas very bro! |
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| 18:35.04 | themill | setuid: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 18:35.10 | stew | laurly: "aptitude install php4-cli- php5-cli" this is not going to affect apache at all |
| 18:35.25 | laurly | apt-get remove php4-cli |
| 18:35.28 | laurly | like that? |
| 18:35.37 | setuid | themill, Hrm, doesn't tell me the upstream url |
| 18:35.45 | superlinux | stew i'd rather he just put one.. confusion might happen |
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| 18:36.03 | stew | superlinux: which confusion? |
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| 18:36.35 | superlinux | i mean put either.. u know.. he is a starter and he wont know which PHP is running |
| 18:36.47 | stew | superlinux: php5 would be running |
| 18:36.56 | superlinux | yes that's fine |
| 18:37.09 | stew | laurly: you can either run "apt-get remove php4-cli ; apt-get install php5-cli" or "apt-get install php4-cli- php5-cli". both do the same thing. (php4-cli- means remove php4-cli) |
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| 18:37.21 | benjamindees | my007ms, sorry I stepped away; did you figure it out? |
| 18:38.33 | thc | no artwiz-cursor package for etch? weak! |
| 18:38.34 | themill | setuid: it might not be set in the package information. |
| 18:38.45 | setuid | Yeah, looks like some Red Hat package (logrotate) |
| 18:38.52 | setuid | But it's very, VERY non-standard |
| 18:39.05 | setuid | You google logrotate, and whatever Debian is using, shows up NOWHERE else |
| 18:39.11 | laurly | ahhh ok so apt-cache policy php{4,5}-{cli,mysql} |
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| 18:39.28 | laurly | thats just a list of what could be installed. (none) means its not |
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| 18:40.43 | laurly | woot works now :) |
| 18:40.54 | laurly | once again you guys are awsom :) |
| 18:41.14 | Cle0 | i have xp and debian in one hard disk and i want to install grub with a live cd can any one help me |
| 18:41.15 | superlinux | laurly as rule.. just install phpX-mysql package even if it's not needed |
| 18:41.31 | stew | that's a wierd rule |
| 18:41.35 | laurly | i work with mysql and php so its ALWAYS needed :) |
| 18:41.50 | laurly | i just play with servers for fun. |
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| 18:42.24 | laurly | one day need to have a chat about shorewall so i dont have to keep geting my X over here to fix it when something goes wrong. |
| 18:42.39 | purpleferret | Cle0: sure |
| 18:42.42 | enderxim | does anyone know why xmms is no longer in testing? |
| 18:42.50 | Cle0 | purpleferret thanks |
| 18:42.58 | Cle0 | purpleferret so how can i make it |
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| 18:43.08 | themill | !tell enderxim about xmms |
| 18:43.23 | superlinux | and when u program use the <? include 'DB.php'?> to run the mysql as much as u can. if u want it simple use the mysql_* functions |
| 18:43.47 | Adys | bonks laurly |
| 18:43.50 | stew | !xmms is also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons |
| 18:43.51 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:44.02 | purpleferret | Cle0: boot the livecd and get to a root shell; run something like "mkdir /mnt/debian"; mount your debian's / partition under /mnt/debian and also mount any other partitions you might have in the appropriate /mnt/debian/* places |
| 18:44.03 | enderxim | thank you |
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| 18:44.04 | laurly | adys you stalking me? |
| 18:44.05 | benjamindees | hmm I thought shorewall was removed... |
| 18:44.12 | Adys | Pft |
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| 18:44.34 | Adys | laurly: there since ages :) |
| 18:44.46 | purpleferret | purpleferret: once you've done that, chroot to /mnt/debian; use the chroot to install grub |
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| 18:44.55 | ferret | Talking to yourself? |
| 18:45.05 | thc | thc: you're sexy |
| 18:45.09 | ferret | Crazy. |
| 18:45.10 | superlinux | and i cant understand why webmin was removed!! i have to download it form its website |
| 18:45.18 | simonrvn | simonrvn: wtf |
| 18:45.24 | ferret | purpleferret: I have a few accounts on forums with your exact name. |
| 18:45.24 | simonrvn | !webmin |
| 18:45.25 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 18:45.27 | Cle0 | purpleferret i have run now ununtu live cd |
| 18:45.38 | thc | Cle0: if your system has a floppy drive you can also make a GRUB floppy |
| 18:45.50 | simonrvn | !fuck webmin |
| 18:45.52 | purpleferret | ferret: that's odd :-/ I thought this nickname was surely something rather original |
| 18:46.06 | Cle0 | no |
| 18:46.11 | benjamindees | the debian installer has a rescue mode now |
| 18:46.15 | Cle0 | thc i don't have floppy |
| 18:46.28 | thc | well never mind then |
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| 18:47.25 | superlinux | i just use it for my firewall only as router. nothing else. insternet connection distribution. not for serious security |
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| 18:48.27 | action09 | superlinux serious security doen't exist ;) |
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| 18:48.38 | action09 | +s |
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| 18:50.03 | stew | superlinux: webmin was removed becuase it was a security nightmare, and after over a years of asking for help, nobody was willing to maintain it in debian. since then, the webmin authors tried create a debian pacakge but they were incompetent |
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| 18:51.33 | omry | I want to write a little script that connects to a url, and if the response code is not http 200 to print the content of the response. what tool do you recommend? I don't think wget is a good choice here. |
| 18:52.43 | stew | omry: HEAD from libwww-perl |
| 18:53.50 | omry | stew, that will execute the code on the server and give me the error code. what about printing the error message? |
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| 18:54.19 | omry | stew, ah - I see I can give it a different method. |
| 18:54.20 | omry | nice. |
| 18:54.25 | Cle0 | i have debian and windows in one partition and can't start debian because i don't have grub so can any one help me plz |
| 18:54.26 | radicaljoe | Is there a config file that can force the onboard sound to be ignored? |
| 18:54.41 | stew | omry: "response=$(HEAD $URL) || echo $response" for instance |
| 18:54.50 | benjamindees | Cle0, the debian installer has a rescue mode now |
| 18:55.08 | stew | omry: that would do nothing on 200, or send the response headers on anything else |
| 18:55.24 | stew | Cle0: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 18:55.25 | omry | stew, trying. |
| 18:55.26 | Cle0 | no |
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| 18:55.35 | stew | no? |
| 18:55.39 | Cle0 | no i don't have rescue mode |
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| 18:56.00 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 18:56.07 | Linos | Greetz. Can someone help me get my mouse (touch pad) work on my Acer TraveMate laptop ? |
| 18:56.10 | stew | Cle0: do you have an install cd? or a live cd? or some way to boot into some linux? |
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| 18:56.34 | Linos | The pointer is visible but I can't move it around or make the context menu appear when I right click |
| 18:56.41 | Gorbulas | is there a way to install the default packages for a desktop machine? |
| 18:56.53 | stew | Gorbulas: tasksel install desktop |
| 18:56.54 | Cle0 | stew yes i have it |
| 18:56.57 | stew | Cle0: which? |
| 18:57.06 | Gorbulas | thank you |
| 18:57.19 | Cle0 | ununtu ..... |
| 18:57.34 | stew | Cle0: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 18:57.53 | Cle0 | ok |
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| 19:04.40 | Ozux | hi, How can I change my Debian Time Zone? |
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| 19:06.35 | h3xis | Ozux, run tzselect |
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| 19:07.00 | maligor | DST, Debian Standard Time |
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| 19:07.20 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:07.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:07.34 | h3xis | ... |
| 19:07.35 | waKKu | !available |
| 19:07.36 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
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| 19:07.49 | Ozux | h3xis, Thanks alot |
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| 19:09.59 | xlotlu | where does update-initramfs look for what initrds it should create when i use -k all? i get a lot of "/boot/initrd.img-2.6.old_gone_kernel does not exist. Cannot update." |
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| 19:10.55 | xlotlu | ah. /var/lib/initramfs-tools .... |
| 19:10.59 | Ozux | h3xis, I set my new TZ but when I run date cmd, I get my previous Time Zone! |
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| 19:11.44 | h3xis | Ozux, try tzconfig |
| 19:12.11 | h3xis | Ozux, or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata if youre in lenny/sid |
| 19:12.24 | omry | stew, thanks. HEAD works nicely. I use -m GET to only output the response body in case of error. |
| 19:12.39 | Ozux | h3xis, I'm etch and tzconfig worked well. |
| 19:12.47 | h3xis | right |
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| 19:14.00 | Ace2016 | !seen |
| 19:14.35 | stew | luckly 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' in etch tells you to run tzconfig |
| 19:15.47 | Ace2016 | wtf happened to wols? |
| 19:15.47 | stew | well luck probably had little to do with it |
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| 19:15.47 | Ace2016 | enouf: seen wols? |
| 19:15.47 | benjamindees | tra or unison (or something else) for home directory synchronization? |
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| 19:18.26 | abrotman | Ace2016: not in a few days |
| 19:18.46 | Ace2016 | he just disappeared, completely totally and utterly gone |
| 19:18.53 | stew | hopefully he decided he had spent enough of his time trying to belittle people on irc |
| 19:18.56 | abrotman | Ace2016: perhaps he went on vacation ? |
| 19:19.05 | abrotman | stew: or he died? |
| 19:19.25 | abrotman | he might have had to go in the hospital |
| 19:19.29 | Ace2016 | hope he comes back, i think the channel needs him |
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| 19:22.55 | edwin_quijada | how can I change el locale from my server |
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| 19:23.01 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 19:23.26 | edwin_quijada | abrotman: it doesnt work |
| 19:23.35 | beardy | Install it then. |
| 19:23.37 | beardy | !locales |
| 19:23.38 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
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| 19:25.07 | beardy | edwin_quijada: Generally you want to keep the default locale and just change your users LC variables. |
| 19:27.07 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: define doesn't work |
| 19:27.21 | stew | edwin_quijada: changing the locale with dpkg-reconfigure wouldn't effect logins which existed before the change was made |
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| 19:29.18 | jelly-home | affect? |
| 19:29.53 | beardy | or +have, but waht do I know about language |
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| 19:30.24 | malifal | hello, does an ethernet card have an entry in the /dev folder? and what is it called? |
| 19:30.34 | mango | Hi, I have a query. When apt finds that updates are available, it downloads packages using *sockets* or pass the url to some another package? |
| 19:30.35 | stew | malifal: no |
| 19:30.43 | jelly-home | malifal: it doesn't |
| 19:30.48 | stew | jelly-home: affect |
| 19:30.52 | edwin_quijada | stew: Thks! I did it! |
| 19:31.02 | stew | !congratulate edwin_quijada |
| 19:31.02 | dpkg | Good show edwin_quijada, you did it! |
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| 19:31.47 | abrotman | mango: your sources are http |
| 19:31.49 | abrotman | or ftp |
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| 19:32.33 | beardy | malifal: No device file. It's called eth0 for the first card, eth1 and so on for further. 'dmesg | grep eth' or 'grep "eth' /var/log/dmesg' is it's full of crap. |
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| 19:34.04 | mango | abrotman: Exactly. What I meant was how apt downloads the updated packages? Does it ask wget or what? |
| 19:34.15 | malifal | stew: jelly-home: beardy: thank you |
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| 19:34.29 | abrotman | mango: it's been awhile since i've looked, but i seem to recall that it has its own downloader .. |
| 19:34.36 | abrotman | mango: why? |
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| 19:35.29 | Bushmills | abrotman: yes, looks like it. has no deps to any downloader |
| 19:35.50 | devhell | hi all! got a spanking new asus f8sn and the following problem: installed wlan ucode from sid repo (iwl4965), now gnome network-manager won't show eighther eth0 nor wlan0 interfaces. both are working fine though on console. before I got the ucode network-manager was ok with eth0 and operated normally. now it won't show eth0 or wlan0. any ideas? |
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| 19:36.16 | stew | malifal: apt has its own built-in http client |
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| 19:36.23 | stew | mango: ^^^ |
| 19:36.27 | stew | malifal: not you, nevermind |
| 19:37.09 | Bushmills | which makes sense. |
| 19:37.12 | mutante | in bash: i can echo -e "\100" to do "ascii2string", but how to "string2ascii"? |
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| 19:37.20 | Bushmills | not a good idea to let apt depend on a lot of stuff |
| 19:38.08 | devhell | oh yeah.. I'm NOT using ubuntu.. |
| 19:38.12 | jelly-home | mutante: you wnat t get "A" from "65? |
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| 19:38.21 | mutante | jelly-home: i want to get 65 from A |
| 19:38.32 | jelly-home | oh, right |
| 19:38.33 | Bushmills | devhell: prove it :_ |
| 19:38.36 | Bushmills | :) |
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| 19:39.15 | devhell | Linux seraphim 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 13:47:43 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:39.54 | XLV | quick question.. can debian be boot over raid0 array? i dont think so, and all indications in google confirm that |
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| 19:40.03 | jelly-home | mutante: perl -e "print pack 'c', 65" ;-) |
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| 19:40.31 | mutante | jelly-home: thanks! i got this one too, right the second "< unop__> mutante, you can use od. echo -e "@" | od -t d1 -An" |
| 19:40.50 | mango | abrotman: Actually, my GSoC proposal to PSF is related to all package managers. So I was just collecting the info what mechanism each package manager is currently using. |
| 19:41.15 | jelly-home | XLV: only if it's a hardware raid (meaning that OS and BIOS see it as a single device) |
| 19:41.19 | grendal_prime | this is making me nuts |
| 19:41.20 | abrotman | ack .. not the PSF!?! |
| 19:41.30 | abrotman | mango: psf ? |
| 19:41.32 | grendal_prime | i need to find all files for a specified hour. with find... |
| 19:41.35 | jelly-home | XLV: basically a no |
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| 19:41.45 | stew | devhell: ahve you read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian ? there are times when n-m will ignore a device |
| 19:41.54 | Bushmills | mutante: char="A" ; printf '%d' "'$char" |
| 19:41.55 | mango | abrotman: Python Software Foundation.. |
| 19:42.21 | benjamindees | dammit beaten by Bushmills :( |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | mango: oh ok |
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| 19:42.30 | mutante | Bushmills: heh thanks, now they keep coming "perl -e 'print ord shift' @" ;) |
| 19:42.35 | jelly-home | Bushmills: that doesn't work |
| 19:42.46 | Bushmills | benjamindees: that's not a shame |
| 19:42.46 | linkslice | i installed i386 debian, then upgraded to amd64 kernel, and now I'm having problems with iptables, is there something I need to do to upgrade to 64-bit userland as well? |
| 19:43.33 | grendal_prime | i thought i could do this with find . -daystart -mtime -5 |
| 19:43.34 | Bushmills | jelly-home: works here. also using this in scripts. |
| 19:43.36 | stew | linkslice: that problem has been fixed. i just don't know if the fix is requiring a newer kernel or a newer iptables or both |
| 19:43.49 | stew | linkslice: perhaps #iptables could tell you |
| 19:43.49 | grendal_prime | that i thought and read would be back 5 hours...but i think its 5 days |
| 19:44.40 | jelly-home | Bushmills: ah, it was a pebcak |
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| 19:44.59 | devhell | stew: thank you for the clue, I'll try that.. =) |
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| 19:49.57 | linkslice | stew is there some way of just updating my userland to 64-bit? |
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| 19:50.34 | stew | linkslice: debian does not provide an easy way to do that |
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| 19:50.58 | linkslice | stew: dang! |
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| 19:52.30 | gerd | my audio card is Intel Corporation 82801H and my distro is etch kernel 2.6.18-5-686. The sound-card doesn't work proberly. No sound on headphones, no sound in mic. Can anyone help me? |
| 19:52.52 | beardy | !alsa checklist |
| 19:52.52 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:53.25 | gerd | thanks |
| 19:53.58 | stew | !new alsa |
| 19:53.58 | dpkg | [new alsa] to compile newer alsa drivers for your running kernel: first download an alsa-source .deb from http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/alsa-source/download ; install it with dpkg -i ; then run "aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa" ; you will need to reload your alsa drivers for the new ones to take effect. also ask me about <alsa checklist> |
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| 19:54.27 | stew | gerd: you will likely need new alsa drivers. see above |
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| 19:55.46 | gerd | thanks again :-) |
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| 19:57.37 | gerd | stew: but this is from lenny repo - I have etch installed |
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| 19:58.36 | stew | gerd: the point is that the drivers in your etch install are too old, so i'm pointing you at how to get newer driers |
| 19:58.37 | gerd | stew: no, sorry it's from sid - should I install alsapackage from sid? |
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| 19:58.51 | gerd | stew: ok |
| 19:58.55 | stew | gerd: my recommendation is to try the procedure that dpkg gave above |
| 19:59.11 | gerd | stew: ok |
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| 20:01.32 | nima0102 | hi |
| 20:01.40 | nima0102 | hi everybody |
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| 20:05.11 | nima0102 | Is there anyway so that one stopped daemon, automatically be run? |
| 20:05.36 | benjamindees | any suggestions on mail client if my exchange server appears to only support kerberos auth? |
| 20:05.56 | extor | cron the daemon |
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| 20:06.43 | beardy | nima0102: Which one? |
| 20:06.53 | beardy | nima0102: And from where did you install it? |
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| 20:07.40 | DustyDingo | ok, der sollte fuer die garantie eh reichen |
| 20:07.41 | phatmonkey | http://pastebin.ca/966519 - mysql just shutdown for some reason, seemingly randomly. that's the only message I can find and it's from syslog. is there a rational explanation for this? |
| 20:07.45 | beardy | !de |
| 20:07.45 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 20:07.58 | DustyDingo | ups |
| 20:08.07 | petemc | what would cause dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not to ask about video card/monitor etc, and always leave me with http://pastebin.com/m1369bdb1 |
| 20:08.22 | petemc | ive md5sum'd the file |
| 20:08.24 | beardy | petemc: The new automagic way it does things. |
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| 20:08.26 | Cle0 | !tell real0ne about paste |
| 20:08.35 | petemc | beardy: ah |
| 20:08.38 | beardy | petemc: You have to grab an old config and do it all manually, it sucks. |
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| 20:08.57 | nima0102 | I want if one daemon that is already run and unexpectedly be stopped, automatically itself is sun |
| 20:08.57 | petemc | thats the only way to fix it? |
| 20:09.06 | benjamindees | !drxx |
| 20:09.07 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 20:09.13 | DustyDingo | hm, i got some problems with defining a virtual interface in /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless ap |
| 20:09.18 | beardy | petemc: AFAIK yes. I hope for a --askmeanddothingspropery. |
| 20:09.28 | petemc | shit |
| 20:09.40 | beardy | Indeed. |
| 20:10.25 | DustyDingo | when i use "wireless-essid THEESSID" i get "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Resource temporarily unavailable." |
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| 20:10.39 | freebird | you guys, sorry for the stupid question, I've remotely compiled my kernel, is there a way I can test it from here the new kernel ? is that possible ? |
| 20:10.49 | DustyDingo | that happens on all wireless-* settings |
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| 20:11.03 | DustyDingo | tho i got no problem with setting them with iwconfig |
| 20:11.06 | Rienzilla | freebird: with a powerswitch and a kvm or serial console, yes |
| 20:11.19 | beardy | freebird: You can install it and reboot blindly, but know what you're doing, and don't expect things to work. (though they should). |
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| 20:11.30 | benjamindees | or with kexec |
| 20:11.47 | gerd | I've installed newer alsa-drivers. The howto tells me to reload my alsa drivers for the new ones to take effect. How do I do that? |
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| 20:12.17 | benjamindees | if debian kernels support kexec |
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| 20:12.30 | beardy | freebird: Another little fun thing could be to try it in a virtual machine, but not much point, since you wont have the same hardware. |
| 20:12.41 | Cayn | I just installed debian on a partition which used to have ubuntu, and for some reason the /home partition didn't have any partition type when I was formating the discs. I installed the system without doing anything to sda4 (which is the home partition) and tried mounting it in /media/sda4 after the installation, but it says wrong fstype |
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| 20:13.07 | freebird | Rienzilla, beardy I'll try powershitch and kvm |
| 20:13.31 | gerd | what do I write to reload alsadrivers? alsaconf? |
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| 20:13.54 | Cayn | I know the file system is xfs, because I formated it myself when I installed ubuntu some days ago with the following command: mkfs.xfs /dev/sda4 |
| 20:14.04 | freebird | Rienzilla, so you suggest I install that ? |
| 20:14.33 | Cayn | When I try mounting it I type mount /dev/sda4 /media/sda4 -t xfs |
| 20:14.34 | Rienzilla | freebird: both are physical devices |
| 20:14.49 | smultron | anyone know how to reject a specific address in postfix? i tried adding 'user@dom.com REJECT' to the 'access' file, then 'postmap hash:/etc/postfix/access', then running 'postfix reload' but they still go through. |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | smultron: #postfix |
| 20:15.05 | Rienzilla | which allow you to remotely control the power to the server, and to access a machines keyboard and monitor as if you were standiong next to i |
| 20:15.09 | Rienzilla | t |
| 20:15.11 | smultron | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:15.44 | Rienzilla | while the powerswitch is onl needd in emergencies, access to a machines console and bios is vital imo |
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| 20:17.07 | freebird | Rienzilla, what do you mean by physical devices ... |
| 20:17.15 | Rienzilla | a thing |
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| 20:17.27 | Rienzilla | if you throw it at someone, it might hurt :) |
| 20:17.46 | Rienzilla | extra peripherals which need to be attached to the server |
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| 20:18.27 | Absolute0 | How can I rename every single file in the current dir using find or something similar? (ie *.java becomes Test*.java) |
| 20:18.48 | Absolute0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.49 | stew | freebird: if you are going to reboot into a kernel and don't know if it is going to boot, you might consider setting up fallback: /msg dpkg grub fallback |
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| 20:19.14 | stew | Absolute0: rename 's/^/Test/' *java |
| 20:19.18 | Absolute0 | since find shows the ./ in the begining of each file. using grep and set is way to much |
| 20:19.19 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 20:19.22 | Absolute0 | hmm |
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| 20:19.55 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 20:20.06 | freebird | stew how do I set a fallback ?? |
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| 20:20.25 | Absolute0 | stew: that didn't change anything |
| 20:21.10 | malex | None of the php PEAR modules I install seem to generate browser output with apache2/libapache2-mod-php5. Command line php5 run produces the desired output, but there is nothing in a browser. |
| 20:21.18 | stew | dpkg: tell freebird about grub fallback |
| 20:21.21 | Absolute0 | stew: rename uses same syntax as sed? |
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| 20:21.28 | stew | Absolute0: works for me |
| 20:21.50 | Absolute0 | stew: iam in cygwin :P |
| 20:21.51 | stew | Absolute0: its perl, so close. |
| 20:21.56 | stew | Absolute0: wrong channel |
| 20:22.04 | Absolute0 | *shrugs* |
| 20:22.20 | Absolute0 | stew: blame my boss! |
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| 20:23.29 | ampex | if I nice a shell script, will all processes that shell script calls also be niced? |
| 20:23.51 | Absolute0 | stew: you ran the same exact command that you showed me? |
| 20:23.58 | stew | Absolute0: yes |
| 20:24.07 | stew | Absolute0: your boss forced you to ask questions in the wrong irc channel? |
| 20:24.33 | Absolute0 | stew: :) no my boss won't let me install debian. |
| 20:24.38 | stew | Absolute0: you should be asking in #cygwin or maybe #windows |
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| 20:25.22 | benjamindees | try #bash or there's a program called renameregex |
| 20:25.22 | Absolute0 | stew: i doubt that debian's implementation of rename is much different than the cygwin one. |
| 20:25.36 | grendal_prime | alright im an idiot |
| 20:25.56 | Absolute0 | grendal_prime: yes you are! |
| 20:26.01 | grendal_prime | i cannot find a way to mv files of a specific hour on a specific date |
| 20:26.39 | Absolute0 | grendal_prime: ls -lu |
| 20:26.50 | Absolute0 | |grep|mv |
| 20:27.07 | stew | grendal_prime: echo "mv file1 file2" | at "16:20 April 20" |
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| 20:27.48 | stew | Absolute0: i guarantee that it is different, but it is off-topic in any case |
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| 20:28.02 | Absolute0 | interesting. |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | stew: do you do everything at 4-20 ? |
| 20:28.22 | grendal_prime | stew: there are over 900,000 files though i cant list them all. |
| 20:28.32 | stew | grendal_prime: wait? are you saying move them on at a specific time? or based on the file modification time or some such? |
| 20:28.33 | grendal_prime | file1 file2 ? |
| 20:28.36 | abrotman | move the whole directory? |
| 20:28.49 | grendal_prime | file modification time |
| 20:28.53 | Absolute0 | grendal_prime: learn to use the shell. |
| 20:29.03 | abrotman | grendal_prime: man find |
| 20:29.15 | grendal_prime | ive looked through find for two hours now |
| 20:29.22 | grendal_prime | i can go back an hour from now |
| 20:29.32 | grendal_prime | and soforth but this is from two days ago... |
| 20:29.39 | whitman | grendal_prime, look at the -mtime switch of find |
| 20:29.51 | stew | grendal_prime: try "info find" maybe? |
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| 20:30.16 | stew | grendal_prime: (and ignore my at example, i tought you were worried about scheduling it in the future) |
| 20:30.37 | grendal_prime | stew thanks ya i figured that out |
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| 20:31.00 | Absolute0 | stew: what's the difference between info and man? |
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| 20:32.04 | stew | Absolute0: one browses info pages which are gnu's attempt at making a man replacement that allows for hyperlinking and docs to be split across several pages |
| 20:32.27 | Absolute0 | ok thanks. |
| 20:32.30 | grendal_prime | ya and info is not alot of fun to nav...dont forget that |
| 20:32.41 | Absolute0 | ya? |
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| 20:33.05 | Absolute0 | ~aolbonicx |
| 20:33.07 | Absolute0 | ~aolbonics |
| 20:33.08 | apt | aolbonics is probably talking using numbers, or using single letters for you, are, you are, you're, etc. Examples are: Hey evry1; howz it goin?; how r u; ur teh suckz. Talking like this is frowned upon and annoying. |
| 20:34.28 | Absolute0 | theres a new bot in town? :) |
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| 20:34.36 | stew | an old bot |
| 20:34.55 | jelly-home | ne1 4 tns? |
| 20:34.55 | Absolute0 | dpkg doesn't respond to ~commands? |
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| 20:35.10 | beardy | No, that would be silly if you think for three seconds. |
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| 20:35.25 | benjamindees | find ./ -name '*java' -exec rename 's/^\.(\/.*)\//Test/' {} \; |
| 20:35.48 | macafe | I mount using samba a windos folder the this command `mount //10.1.1.2/localhost /media/lm_win/ -o umask=0,locale=pt_BR.iso88591,username=cardoso,password=xxxx`... How I can to mount this in fstab |
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| 20:36.28 | benjamindees | er, find ./ -name '*java' -exec rename 's/^\.(\/.+)*\//Test/' {} \; |
| 20:37.13 | jelly-home | macafe: //10.1.1.2/localhost /media/lm_win smbfs rw,umask=0,locale=pt_BR.iso88591,username=cardoso,password=xxxx 0 0 |
| 20:37.56 | Absolute0 | benjamindees: still no :( |
| 20:37.58 | stew | benjamindees: you'd be much better off using {} + instead of \; or piping it into xargs so that a new perl process doesn't have to spin up and recompile the same regex once per file. but this is all academic since he doesn't have debian (and therefore doesn't have debian's rename implementation) |
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| 20:38.08 | SimonAdameit | Good evening |
| 20:38.57 | SimonAdameit | I am using debian testing but for some packages want to use the version from unstable. How can I do that? |
| 20:38.59 | freebird | Rienzilla, powerswitch is a device right ? not a software ?? |
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| 20:39.14 | jelly-home | macafe: add ",auto" to the options if you want it mounted at boot, or add ",user,uid=youruid,gid=yourgid" if you want to do "mount /media/lm_win" as a normal user after boot |
| 20:39.18 | Absolute0 | SimonAdameit: you can download them manually and install |
| 20:39.42 | Absolute0 | or edit /etc/apt/sources.list to containg git and update install, undo edit |
| 20:40.13 | stew | SimonAdameit: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 20:40.17 | SimonAdameit | Absolute0: yes, but I thought that there was some possibility to specify that in sources.list that it would always use the unstable version of that package |
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| 20:40.29 | freebird | Rienzilla, is that correct man ? is there a way I can do that thru only a software ? |
| 20:40.31 | gerd | stew: I've fooled around updating alsa drivers on my laptop which brought me a few step backwards. Is it possible to remove everything with alsa in it, and start all o vrt all over again? |
| 20:40.34 | stew | SimonAdameit: yes, called pining, "man apt_preferences" |
| 20:40.46 | macafe | jelly-home, Happen this erro http://pastebin.com/d6329af89 , what can see? |
| 20:40.55 | stew | gerd: that shouldn't be. what exactly is happening now? |
| 20:40.59 | Rienzilla | freebird: well... you can just install the kernel, reboot, and hope that it works |
| 20:41.06 | Rienzilla | (or use virtual machines) |
| 20:41.07 | SimonAdameit | stew: ok, thanks, that may be the keyword :) |
| 20:41.16 | macafe | jelly-home, In syslog I have "Apr 1 17:40:12 macafe kernel: [30435.623439] smbfs: mount_data version 1935764853 is not supported" |
| 20:41.17 | gerd | stew: no sound inplayback - just scratching |
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| 20:41.44 | stew | gerd: show us the output of amixer ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:41.44 | gerd | stew: after I installed a newer driver and dpkg -ied it |
| 20:41.47 | wooden | macafe: You have the smbfs package installed? |
| 20:42.14 | benjamindees | I can mount/unmount an ntfs drive as a user but can't read it. why? |
| 20:42.22 | stew | macafe: you should be using cifs, not smbfs |
| 20:42.40 | macafe | wooden, yes.. I can mount this in line command |
| 20:42.40 | stew | benjamindees: you didn't mount it with uid/gid/umask options allowing your user to read |
| 20:42.55 | stew | macafe: what command are you using to mount? |
| 20:43.01 | benjamindees | right, umask, ugh |
| 20:43.04 | gerd | stew: http://pastebin.com/d2f6b4e7e |
| 20:43.23 | freebird | Rienzilla, that's my problem, lol |
| 20:43.30 | SimonAdameit | stew: will pinning work with aptitude or do i have to use apt-get to install stuff? |
| 20:43.41 | Tapout | is there a way to have temporary bash history, when you logout.. that's it? but have at least local history for the time being |
| 20:44.02 | stew | SimonAdameit: it will work with aptitude |
| 20:44.15 | macafe | stew, mount //10.1.1.2/localhost/desenvolvimento /media/lm_win/ -o umask=0,locale=pt_BR.iso88591,username=cardoso,password=xxxx |
| 20:44.18 | stew | gerd: wierd. just to verify, what version does "/sbin/modinfo snd-hda-intel" report? |
| 20:44.26 | Rienzilla | freebird: well then, go for it |
| 20:44.33 | stew | macafe: try adding -t cifs |
| 20:44.36 | Rienzilla | but you might be heading for a walk (or drive :)) |
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| 20:45.15 | macafe | stew, sorry.. I don't understand |
| 20:45.38 | gerd | stew: http://pastebin.com/d7828012d |
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| 20:46.06 | stew | bah, why can't the alsa devs give us a version number |
| 20:46.32 | jelly-home | macafe: after it's mounted, what does "mount|grep lm_win" say? |
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| 20:47.31 | stew | gerd: try running "find /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686 -name 'snd?hda?intel.ko'" and tell me how many files are returned? |
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| 20:47.45 | stew | i seem to remember the alsa-modules packages installing somewhere else, but i could be wrong |
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| 20:48.39 | macafe | jelly-home and stew, http://pastebin.com/d33fce611 look this |
| 20:48.43 | whit0r | Hey people, I'm kind of new to debian...although not entirely new to linux. I'm on lenny, and having a bit of a problem. |
| 20:48.44 | ogre | hey guys. i was just curious about the anarchism package and how to run it. not saying anything political just wondering about the package |
| 20:48.58 | Bushmills | ogre: that's a text |
| 20:48.58 | gerd | stew: /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko |
| 20:49.15 | Bushmills | ogre, /usr/share/doc/... |
| 20:49.15 | whit0r | How come i can't apt-get linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686? |
| 20:49.29 | ogre | Bushmills: thanks buddy :) |
| 20:49.38 | jelly-home | macafe: "localhsot"? |
| 20:49.41 | whit0r | It says I have to get linux-kbuild-2.6.22,but its not installable. |
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| 20:50.12 | benjamindees | whit0r, apt-get -f install |
| 20:50.28 | whit0r | thats force install? |
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| 20:50.42 | macafe | jelly-home, Uooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :( |
| 20:50.46 | benjamindees | whit0r, just by itself with no other options... |
| 20:50.59 | whit0r | oh |
| 20:51.05 | stew | whit0r: 2.6.22-3 is being replaced by 2.6.24-1 |
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| 20:51.17 | whit0r | stew: yeah i somehow noticed just now :/ |
| 20:51.19 | stew | whit0r: don't bother with '-f install' the package is no longer in testing |
| 20:51.54 | gerd | stew: I want to remove everything about alsa and try to start all over. Is it possible? |
| 20:51.57 | ulrich72 | anyone how knows how to fix the clock (fluxxbox) |
| 20:51.59 | whit0r | shouldn't the upgrade command work? |
| 20:52.24 | ulrich72 | -how +who |
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| 20:52.28 | stew | gerd: dpkg -r alsa-modules-$(uname -r) ; aptitude reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r); depmod -a |
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| 20:52.44 | stew | whit0r: which upgrade command? |
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| 20:52.59 | jaggy- | how do I browse images in kde? |
| 20:53.03 | whit0r | stew: something like apt-get -u upgrade ? |
| 20:53.06 | ogre | Bushmills: any idea why they all are compressed? |
| 20:53.07 | benjamindees | oh the headers depend on linux-kbuild, how dumb |
| 20:53.13 | whit0r | stew: sorry its just that i'm new to the packaging system. |
| 20:53.24 | Bushmills | ogre: to save disk space? |
| 20:54.12 | stew | whit0r: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:54.22 | stew | benjamindees: why is that dumb? |
| 20:54.25 | gerd | stew: dpkg didn't find alsa-modules-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 20:55.00 | whit0r | stew: I've just installed lenny, I want to install the ATi drivers for my graphics card, but they won't build because of the missing headers. Can't get the headers...so shouldn't I upgrade to the new kernel? |
| 20:55.04 | ogre | Bushmills: so how should i open it? i have to uncompress or can i run it in from the compressed files? |
| 20:55.17 | stew | gerd: oh wait. then possibly you never got the new alsa installed. how did you install them? |
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| 20:55.33 | ogre | never messed with txt files this way |
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| 20:55.57 | stew | ogre: you are trying to read a compressed text file? try 'zless /path/to/foo.gz' |
| 20:56.03 | ma3x | hello |
| 20:56.06 | Bushmills | ogre: if those are compressed ascii files, zless .... . other format. depend on viewer. some can deal with zipped files transparently. |
| 20:56.10 | stew | whit0r: i don't know about non-free drivers |
| 20:56.20 | ogre | thanks :) |
| 20:56.32 | whit0r | stew: lets just say I want the latest kernel, how should i go about doing that? |
| 20:56.33 | freebird | Rienzilla, no success man, too bad |
| 20:56.39 | whit0r | stew: and headers. |
| 20:56.48 | Rienzilla | freebird: how, 'no success' |
| 20:56.50 | freebird | Rienzilla, I guess the lan module did not went up |
| 20:56.51 | stew | whit0r: what cpu do you have? |
| 20:56.56 | Rienzilla | oh ok |
| 20:56.59 | whit0r | stew: x86 |
| 20:57.00 | freebird | Rienzilla, can't ssh into it anymore |
| 20:57.02 | Rienzilla | yeah, that'ts the risk :) |
| 20:57.04 | stew | whit0r: which? |
| 20:57.05 | ma3x | i have 100 gb hard disk. I have only one partition (50GB) and the rest is free space (no partitions). I am trying to recover files I deleted from that partition. is it okay to create another partition (the rest 50 GB) and recover the files there? |
| 20:57.06 | gerd | stew: dpkg -i alsa-source_1.0.16-1_all.deb - -but when i think of it - I may remember that it failed.... |
| 20:57.09 | whit0r | stew: AMD 3500+ |
| 20:57.10 | freebird | Rienzilla, any suggestions ? |
| 20:57.29 | Rienzilla | no :) |
| 20:57.31 | stew | gerd: that's just the source. not the acutal modules, you have to compile them with "m-a a-i alsa" |
| 20:57.38 | stew | gerd: so you still haven't tried the newer alsa |
| 20:57.45 | Rienzilla | 22:44 < Rienzilla> but you might be heading for a walk (or drive :)) |
| 20:57.51 | benjamindees | ma3x, I would think so |
| 20:57.54 | stew | whit0r: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 20:58.29 | whit0r | stew: hmm ok, so the ... k i get it. thnx :D |
| 20:59.25 | freebird | Rienzilla, man, does the fallback solution works if I get a kernel panic on my new kernel ?? |
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| 20:59.41 | freebird | Rienzilla, supposing I had done that before booting |
| 20:59.51 | Rienzilla | freebird: yes |
| 21:00.09 | Rienzilla | a powerswitch and a serial console save you from almost everything except hardware failure |
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| 21:00.36 | Rienzilla | (and very blunt configuration mistakes) |
| 21:00.58 | freebird | Rienzilla, too bad, I wish I had done it ...... lol |
| 21:01.03 | freebird | Rienzilla, too late |
| 21:01.10 | Rienzilla | I told you :) |
| 21:01.12 | benjamindees | hmm, I wonder if unison will recover gracefully from the previous 'out of disk space' synchronization attempt... |
| 21:01.33 | gerd | stew: hmm, ok I'm running this now: aptitude install module-assistant build-essential ; m-a -t a-i alsa |
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| 21:02.17 | benjamindees | nope, starting over :( |
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| 21:04.07 | gerd | stew: BUILD FAILED: See /var/cache/modass/alsa-source.buildlog.2.6.18-5-686.1207170016 for details. |
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| 21:05.58 | stew | gerd: can you upload that file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ? |
| 21:06.08 | gerd | stew: this is what i found in buildlog: dh_installdirs: Sorry, but 5 is the highest compatibility level supported by this debhelper. |
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| 21:06.23 | stew | bah |
| 21:06.34 | stew | silly alsa maintainers |
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| 21:08.10 | gerd | stew: http://pastebin.ca/966592 |
| 21:08.49 | gerd | stew: what do you suggest? |
| 21:09.29 | gerd | stew: sound was ok on inernal speakers before I started, but nou output on jack and not recording with mic |
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| 21:11.49 | benjamindees | it's sad that, up until just now, I only thought the stories on slashdot were *slightly* odder than usual... |
| 21:13.10 | unsolo | hmm my top reports 5 gig of ram is in use.. |
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| 21:13.27 | unsolo | however it lists about 20% of 5.5 beeing in use.. |
| 21:13.28 | benjamindees | top memory usage is wrong wrong wrong |
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| 21:13.46 | unsolo | free reports the same |
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| 21:15.05 | Lethalman | hello |
| 21:15.13 | Lethalman | i would like to download debin |
| 21:15.15 | Lethalman | *debian |
| 21:15.30 | Lethalman | but i've seen 21 iso images |
| 21:15.39 | Lethalman | do i have to download all 21 isos? |
| 21:16.02 | benjamindees | Lethalman, no, 1 is enough; 3-5 is better |
| 21:16.13 | benjamindees | Lethalman, or do a net install |
| 21:16.13 | Lethalman | mh i don't understand |
| 21:16.29 | Lethalman | the 21 cd contains all the available software? |
| 21:16.39 | benjamindees | yes |
| 21:16.43 | Lethalman | ah ok |
| 21:17.06 | benjamindees | you can install with just one, but you need (I think) at least 3 to get a typical desktop |
| 21:17.07 | Lethalman | which iso numbers to get basic desktop? |
| 21:17.14 | Lethalman | ah ok |
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| 21:17.17 | stew | Lethalman: 1 |
| 21:17.21 | lunaphyte | i am completely dumbfounded. my system clock is going backwards, and then forwards, and then backwards again. |
| 21:17.28 | Lethalman | errrr 1 or 3? |
| 21:17.29 | stew | gerd: hang on |
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| 21:17.33 | stew | Lethalman: 1 |
| 21:17.41 | Lethalman | ok thanks stew |
| 21:18.06 | lunaphyte | what on earth could be happening? http://rafb.net/p/YeOo5W96.html |
| 21:18.06 | stew | Lethalman: the first cd contains everything for a basic desktop. though its likely you are going to want more than a basic desktop |
| 21:18.16 | malakar | Hi, there was a command in linux which can execute interactive commands in sequence also feeding input to those commands, i forgot what it is |
| 21:18.39 | benjamindees | !file expect |
| 21:18.41 | lunaphyte | malakar: expect? |
| 21:18.42 | dpkg | expect: has nothing about file |
| 21:18.47 | benjamindees | !package expect |
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| 21:19.00 | benjamindees | !show expect |
| 21:19.02 | Lethalman | stew: no problem i'll get more software later |
| 21:19.07 | Lethalman | thanks very much |
| 21:19.12 | benjamindees | gives up |
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| 21:19.21 | malakar | lunaphyte, benjamindees: yeah exactly, i forgot the command name and was breaking my head |
| 21:19.41 | stew | gerd: you could try editing /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver/debian/compat and changing the 6 to a 5, then try m-a a-i alsa again |
| 21:19.49 | stew | it would be better to know WHY it is at 6 though |
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| 21:21.42 | stew | dh_shlibdeps? why would a kenrel module be calling dh_shlibdeps? |
| 21:21.58 | dokma | hi guys. just came home and found my machine rebooted? how to find out what caused the reboot? |
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| 21:22.42 | n0mad | Brasero temp dir ? |
| 21:22.50 | gerd | stew: found a howto: http://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T61.html |
| 21:23.00 | Bushmills | dokma: check the microwave clock |
| 21:23.24 | dokma | not joking |
| 21:23.29 | Bushmills | (if ti blinks, then you had a power failure) |
| 21:23.40 | dokma | ahh |
| 21:23.46 | dokma | I see ur point |
| 21:23.57 | dokma | no mw in the house |
| 21:24.37 | benjamindees | actually that's a decent question, is there a file that contains the current runlevel? |
| 21:24.40 | gerd | stew: have you given me up? I got the same BUILD FAIL now. Should I upgrade the kernel? |
| 21:24.42 | stew | gerd: you could also use a kernel from testing/unstable if you don't need to build any 3rd party modules. or wait for a 2.6.24 kernel to show up on backports.org |
| 21:24.51 | dokma | oops. my uptime is 1 day 14 hours |
| 21:24.59 | dokma | seems like it didn't reboot |
| 21:25.04 | dokma | it just logged me off |
| 21:25.52 | gerd | stew: should I use a testing kernel? These laptops belong to my colleagues (teachers) |
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| 21:26.52 | gerd | my problem is that sound worked (in a way) before I started to fool around |
| 21:27.12 | stew | gerd: that would be fine unless you have to build a 3rd party kernel module. which you definately wouldn't for the wireless, and wouldn't if you got one of the t61s with the intel graphics. |
| 21:27.59 | gerd | stew: don't know what you mean by 3rd party modules |
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| 21:29.34 | stiv2k | what is the mode to password protect an IRC channeL? |
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| 21:30.09 | beardy | stiv2k: Chanserv and/or your client will know. |
| 21:30.21 | esteel | stiv2k: +k keyword |
| 21:30.26 | Bushmills | stiv2k: consider to hide the channel, starting name with & rather than with # |
| 21:30.40 | beardy | stiv2k: But what esteel said. |
| 21:30.45 | Bushmills | stiv2k: so nobody sees it and tries to join |
| 21:31.01 | stiv2k | esteel: that was what i was looking for |
| 21:31.02 | stiv2k | thanks guys |
| 21:31.25 | esteel | Bushmills: iirc & is not for hiding. but for making it 'unsplitable' |
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| 21:31.56 | Bushmills | ehm .. what was hiding then? |
| 21:32.00 | unsolo | wants to know what to look at to se real memory usage.. |
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| 21:32.41 | esteel | +p or +s |
| 21:32.41 | esteel | think +s (secret) is the one |
| 21:32.47 | Bushmills | ah |
| 21:32.47 | Gun_Smoke | My bright shinny new laptop seems to hate the installer.. gerrrrr |
| 21:33.03 | stew | gerd: which vga card is in this laptop? an intel? or nvidia? |
| 21:33.09 | Gun_Smoke | nvidia |
| 21:33.11 | stew | Gun_Smoke: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 21:33.12 | n0mad | Brasero temp dir ? |
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| 21:34.58 | gerd | stew: intel |
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| 21:35.27 | gerd | stew: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) |
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| 21:37.08 | jaggy- | how do I use konquerer to view thumbnails of images? |
| 21:37.35 | jaggy- | it lists them as files, with representative icons in icon-view.. |
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| 21:37.52 | vasco | hello |
| 21:37.52 | jaggy- | you know, the "camera" icon |
| 21:38.00 | vasco | i m sorry what is the last version of the kernel? |
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| 21:38.14 | vasco | i have the 2.6.18-5-68 |
| 21:38.28 | vasco | and how updating the kernel really easly plz |
| 21:38.29 | jaggy- | what? are they stopping linux forever? |
| 21:38.33 | malakar_ | where does cron log go? i need to check that the crontab entry i added is working properly |
| 21:39.02 | vvd | syslog |
| 21:39.15 | K09 | jaggy-: From the window menu, choose View => View Mode => Image Viewer Part. |
| 21:39.26 | craigevil | jaggy-: View>Preview>click the ones you want to see |
| 21:39.26 | orellg | have anybody of you tried terminator(multiple terminals)? |
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| 21:41.17 | K09 | orellg: yes. Are you having difficulties using it? |
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| 21:41.34 | witold | http://pastebin.4programmers.net/3793 I get those errors, what could be the case? |
| 21:41.53 | jaggy- | preview is on for images but it's not showing them |
| 21:42.20 | Gun_Smoke | vasco: http://www.kernel.org/ |
| 21:42.24 | jaggy- | help says it generally does show images for the icons (except for audio files which play when you hover) |
| 21:42.28 | malakar_ | 1 * * * * expect /var/script |
| 21:42.42 | K09 | jaggy-: what type of pictures are you trying to view? |
| 21:42.46 | jaggy- | standard jpg |
| 21:42.47 | malakar_ | the above crontab entry should be executed every minte am i right? |
| 21:42.59 | stew | gerd: then i dont' see a reason you'd need to compile out of tree kernel modules, and I'd recommend trying a kernel from testing |
| 21:43.07 | K09 | jaggy-: have you tried zooming in and out using the magnifying glass on the toolbar |
| 21:43.08 | K09 | ? |
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| 21:43.23 | jaggy- | malakar, yes .. |
| 21:43.33 | jaggy- | does it work when you try it on your own? and where is that cron entry? |
| 21:43.56 | jaggy- | k09, bigger and smaller camera icons |
| 21:44.10 | K09 | msg Nickserv set email darkpo3t@gmail.com |
| 21:44.19 | K09 | hahah |
| 21:44.29 | jaggy- | if I click an image, it will show in the viewer |
| 21:44.38 | malakar_ | jaggy: do i need to enable crontab for a new user or just editing the crontab for the user will do? |
| 21:44.57 | jaggy- | I think max file size is the problem |
| 21:45.26 | K09 | jaggy-: try using GIMP or a similar program to see if the images are corrupt |
| 21:45.37 | jaggy- | that's it.. it was set to 1mb.. these are 2.x mb each |
| 21:45.52 | K09 | nice.. |
| 21:45.59 | jaggy- | thanks a maxamillion |
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| 21:46.06 | K09 | jaggy-: your welcome. |
| 21:46.13 | jaggy- | malakar, are you editing with cron -e ? |
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| 21:46.27 | jaggy- | crontab I mean |
| 21:47.02 | jaggy- | editing with crontab should be fine |
| 21:47.14 | jaggy- | is cron running? |
| 21:47.18 | jaggy- | ps auxwf | grep cron |
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| 21:47.43 | malakar_ | jaggy: yeah cron is running + i am using sudo crontab -u <user> -e |
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| 21:48.17 | beardy | malakar_: It is "enabled" if your user has a crontab, if it hasn't, it simply has nothing for cron to care about. |
| 21:48.27 | beardy | malakar_: What? |
| 21:48.50 | malakar_ | beardy: the command i used to edit the crontab for an user |
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| 21:49.15 | beardy | malakar_: Why did you do that as root? Why didn't the user do it itself? |
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| 21:50.01 | malakar_ | beardy: that is a dummy user i am setting up to sync svn code |
| 21:50.22 | real0ne | i don't know why i have always this message debian:/home/real0ne# |
| 21:50.22 | real0ne | Message from syslogd@debian at Tue Apr 1 21:45:25 2008 ... |
| 21:50.22 | real0ne | debian kernel: CPU1: Temperature above threshold |
| 21:50.22 | real0ne | Message from syslogd@debian at Tue Apr 1 21:45:25 2008 ... |
| 21:50.22 | real0ne | debian kernel: CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode |
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| 21:50.36 | real0ne | sorry |
| 21:50.56 | malakar_ | realOne: pastebin ? |
| 21:51.01 | vvd | real0ne: cpu too hot, needs fan |
| 21:51.05 | nollidj | real0ne: what does acpitool say? |
| 21:51.48 | jaggy- | are you sure it's not running? |
| 21:51.54 | beardy | malakar_: I see. Ok then.. works either way. You could also su to that user though. Not sure that the crontab gets installed correctly if run like that, though I guess it should if there is a -u option, but what was the problem, that it doesn't work? |
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| 21:52.11 | jaggy- | what's your log say? what if you put in 1 * * * * echo hi > /tmp/test |
| 21:52.29 | nollidj | i'm running lenny and have just upgraded to 2.6.24, so my ipw3945 material has been replaced with iwl3945. i've fixed my udev rules and gotten the wireless interface working, but wpa-supplicant is not associating with my wireless network properly. this looks like an issue a lot of people are having. does anyone have suggestions and workarounds? |
| 21:52.46 | malakar_ | beardy: log doesn't say anything, let me try echoing something |
| 21:52.58 | jaggy- | and you did save and exit right? |
| 21:53.00 | jaggy- | you have to exit :) |
| 21:53.02 | jaggy- | afk |
| 21:53.18 | FelipeSouza | I'm trying to use pktcdvd+udf here, i already dvd-formated the dvd, but the "mkudffs /dev/pktcdvd/0" remains with the error: "trying to change type of multiple extents", so, i formatted it again, the error persists, i didn't found nothing on google yet ... someone know how to fix it? thanks in advance |
| 21:53.29 | real0ne | nollidj debian:/home/real0ne# acpitool |
| 21:53.29 | real0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.29 | real0ne | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.29 | real0ne | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:53.49 | beardy | real0ne: Use a pastebin. |
| 21:53.52 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 21:53.52 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 21:54.13 | gerd | stew: are you there - I found out that aplay could play wav-files does that indicate tha alsa is ok? |
| 21:54.21 | nollidj | real0ne: i asked because it might have told you your cpu temperature. it's not, so i would check google or keep asking here how to figure that out, if you want to make sure you're not cooking your CPU |
| 21:54.26 | Cope57 | http://debian.pastebin.com/ |
| 21:54.38 | beardy | malakar_: As jaggy- said, you have to save and exit the editor, your syslog will say updated crontab for $user. |
| 21:55.20 | malakar_ | beardy: yes i am doing that since "sudo crontab -u <user> -l" shows the entries properly |
| 21:55.43 | malakar_ | the echo example i tried didn't create the file as expected |
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| 21:57.17 | beardy | malakar_: I suggest you su to the user, and check if it got complaint mail. |
| 21:57.55 | malakar_ | what is the file /etc/cron.allow meant for? |
| 21:58.38 | beardy | malakar_: To allow users to run cron, but doesn't exist by default in Debian, all users are allowed. |
| 21:58.48 | beardy | malakar_: Do you have a PATH in the crontab? |
| 21:59.02 | malakar_ | oops no |
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| 21:59.22 | beardy | malakar_: That's it then. |
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| 21:59.51 | monokrome | hey |
| 22:00.16 | monokrome | anyone know what the umask is that will maintain user and groups when files are created? |
| 22:00.22 | real0ne | can any one tell me why i have this message? |
| 22:00.44 | beardy | malakar_: http://beardy.infidyne.com/files/mycrontab.txt |
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| 22:02.30 | malakar_ | beardy: where does the file go in the fiesystem ? |
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| 22:03.33 | malakar_ | beardy: if we edit crontab using crontab -u <user> -e, where is it stored, i wanted to verify |
| 22:03.58 | kyncani | monokrome: 6777 ? |
| 22:04.38 | kyncani | monokrome: cherche suid et sgid |
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| 22:06.02 | beardy | malakar_: Have to check.. |
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| 22:06.19 | ampex2 | I have a bridge set up as my main interface and it includes eth0, I want to add an eth0:0 with a different IP but I can't seem to make it work with the bridge, any ideas? |
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| 22:09.58 | beardy | malakar_: /var/spool/cron/crontabs Says in 'man 8 cron'. |
| 22:10.18 | jaggy- | Page and Brin experimented with numerous avian motivators before settling on a combination of linseed and flax (lin/ax) that not only offered superior performance, but could be gathered at no cost from nearby open space preserves. This open space lin/ax powers Google's operations to this day, and a visit to the data coop reveals pigeons happily pecking away at lin/ax kernels and |
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| 22:10.26 | jaggy- | http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html |
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| 22:11.32 | beardy | malakar_: But if you can list it, it is there. |
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| 22:11.57 | malakar_ | yeah that is what i also belief |
| 22:12.48 | malakar_ | beardy: now i am trying to edit /etc/crontab where we have one extra column, user |
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| 22:13.07 | beardy | malakar_: Your echo still doesn't work? Are you echoing to somewherethat use have write permission? |
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| 22:13.36 | beardy | malakar_: Don't touch that. |
| 22:13.38 | malakar_ | no i am echoing it in /tmp/ |
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| 22:13.46 | malakar_ | haven't touched it either |
| 22:13.48 | hetauma | in order to get lenny->sid just do the same things like etch->lenny ? |
| 22:13.52 | FearedBliss | does anyone know how to get sound to work ? |
| 22:13.58 | FearedBliss | i downloaded alsa-base and stuff |
| 22:14.00 | malakar_ | does syslog show anything in case it executes a cron command ? |
| 22:14.03 | FearedBliss | configured alsaconf |
| 22:14.11 | FearedBliss | even added snd-powermac to the /etc/modules |
| 22:14.16 | FearedBliss | but it still doesnt work |
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| 22:14.31 | FearedBliss | there is no /dev/dsp /dev/mixer /dev/audio |
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| 22:15.13 | hoodlum | FearedBliss: you've checked that the appropiate modules have beenloaded for your audio device? |
| 22:15.25 | rgr | can anyone here tell me how to configure vmplayer in debian to use the pulseaudio daemon? |
| 22:15.26 | monokrome | kyncani: Sorry, what? |
| 22:15.29 | FearedBliss | i did modprobe snd-powermac and lsmod | grep snd |
| 22:15.34 | FearedBliss | and it seems to be loaded |
| 22:15.45 | smoke__ | qmail or postfix any recommendations? |
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| 22:15.59 | hoodlum | intersting |
| 22:16.01 | monokrome | I'm just trying to make it so when a user creates a file in a directory, it stays owned by them and the group |
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| 22:16.18 | nollidj | again: anyone able to overcome problems with the new iwl3945 driver and wpa-supplicant? |
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| 22:17.52 | beardy | malakar_: Yes. "Apr 2 00:17:01 trapper /USR/SBIN/CRON[7197]: (beardy) CMD (echo "Moooo!" > /tmp/asdf123 ; date >> /tmp/asdf123)" |
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| 22:18.38 | malakar_ | beardy: cron is showing no such log :'( |
| 22:19.04 | beardy | malakar_: Try it with your own user instead? If that works, then you know it is something with that svn user. |
| 22:19.08 | wd40-wkstn | smoke__: i've used qmail. personally & as isp mailserver. worked nice. haven't worked with postfix though |
| 22:19.32 | beardy | malakar_: That's from /var/log/syslog |
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| 22:20.46 | malakar_ | beardy: yeah syslog is logging only about list and edit command i am executing and reload whenever i edit something but no command execution info |
| 22:20.59 | smoke__ | oh yes, and can someone recommend me a good stable ftp server? |
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| 22:21.13 | UserReg_CL | hi.. i am update kernel to 2.6.24 .. need change repository ? |
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| 22:21.48 | smoke__ | i see pureftp never heard of it, and vsftpd.. can anyone tell me more? |
| 22:22.05 | beardy | smoke__: I think vsftpd is what people usually say. |
| 22:22.41 | beardy | malakar_: Pastebin your crontab? |
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| 22:24.53 | malakar_ | http://paste.debian.net/52368 |
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| 22:25.22 | rgr | smoke__: proftpd |
| 22:25.58 | Tramp | malakar_: <malakar_> 1 * * * * expect /var/script > the above crontab entry should be executed every minte am i right? --- somebody answered yes, and this is of course wrong. Was this misinformation correctioned in the meantime? |
| 22:26.03 | beardy | malakar_: That will only run at the first minute every hour, every day and so on. |
| 22:26.25 | Tramp | malakar_: It will be run, as beardy just said, at the first minute, not every minute. |
| 22:26.26 | beardy | malakar_: You want * at the minute too. |
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| 22:27.08 | malakar_ | beardy, Tramp: aah that is the error i guess let me fix it |
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| 22:27.56 | wald0 | when i run "foomatic-gui" i have an error: Unable to read printer database |
| 22:28.20 | wald0 | so i can't configure my printer because nothing is launched |
| 22:29.38 | malakar_ | where does the outout of the command go, that was executed by cron |
| 22:29.51 | malakar_ | yeah /tmp file is being created now :) |
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| 22:30.04 | beardy | malakar_: If not redirected, as your hi was, it will be mailed to the user. |
| 22:30.12 | malakar_ | okay |
| 22:30.32 | beardy | malakar_: Or mailed to the one you specify, if you do. |
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| 22:31.31 | malakar_ | */5(minute column) will do every 5 minute, am i right ? |
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| 22:32.06 | beardy | malakar_: Yes. All in 'man 5 crontab'. |
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| 22:34.03 | beardy | malakar_: "Steps are also permitted after an asterisk, so if you want to say ``every two hours'', just use ``*/2''." |
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| 22:36.52 | `6og | *boots hdd in new laptop* dont fail me debian! |
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| 22:39.30 | `6og | WIN! |
| 22:39.38 | `6og | debian, you rock! |
| 22:40.01 | `6og | runs around hugging dd's |
| 22:40.08 | `6og | !z25 |
| 22:40.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 22:40.58 | malakar_ | beardy: cron is working fine but need to tame expect now |
| 22:41.34 | beardy | malakar_: Good. Don't know what that is. |
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| 22:43.03 | beardy | Or oh, ok. Yes, good luck. |
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| 22:45.57 | LNeves | Hi. In the Testing repository, there is no k7 version for linux-image-2.6.24-1. Will there be a k7 image or should I install i686? |
| 22:46.20 | UserReg_CL | hi.. i am update kernel to 2.6.24 .. need change repository ? |
| 22:46.56 | gerd | I can not get my soundcard working 100% My card Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family), lsmod output: snd 47012 12 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer. Can you see anything wrong here? |
| 22:47.30 | Tramp | !tell LNeves about k7 |
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| 22:48.15 | LNeves | UserReg_CL: this kernel version is in the testing repository. If you are using Etch or Stable, you need to add Testing. |
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| 22:48.53 | UserReg_CL | ok.. Thank |
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| 22:50.25 | enderxim | does anyone know why, when installing licq from debian testing, aim is not an available protocol? or how to fix this? |
| 22:50.54 | LNeves | Tramp: Thanks for the info. Is there any significant performance problem when using i686 for a K7 CPU? |
| 22:51.00 | UserReg_CL | LNeves: downlad, re-compile and install kernel 2.6.24 ... ¿need change sources.list? |
| 22:51.54 | \amethyst | LNeves: the reason the -k7 kernels were dropped is that there wasn't a noticeable performance hit from using the -686 kernels instead |
| 22:52.07 | Tramp | LNeves: I don't know. Probably not |
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| 22:56.40 | LNeves | UserReg_CL: If you want to re-compile the kernel, you are looking for the package linux-source-2.6.24 from the testing repository (right, guys?) |
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| 22:57.24 | LNeves | UserReg_CL: If you are using the Stable distribution (Etch), you need to add Testing lines to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:59.05 | UserReg_CL | have the new kernel work.. 2.6.24 |
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| 23:02.00 | simonrvn | LNeves: don't suggest doing that to people |
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| 23:02.25 | simonrvn | LNeves: otherwise you get to support the broken install by yourself |
| 23:02.40 | simonrvn | !bobbitt |
| 23:02.40 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
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| 23:04.47 | aliredo | http://sportscentre.forumotion.com/ join this site and i will make you a moderator!!!! |
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| 23:07.37 | simonrvn | oops |
| 23:07.42 | simonrvn | 2 = |
| 23:07.44 | stew | yeah |
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| 23:08.00 | simonrvn | and thanks :) |
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| 23:08.56 | aaron_ | i installed a debian etch with a xen kernel. the server normaly publishs the local subnet to an remote openvpn server via iroute ... but now i can only ping the xen server not the other machines on that subnet.. |
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| 23:12.18 | simonrvn | crap |
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| 23:29.23 | Akuw | by default Debian no have g++ installed? |
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| 23:31.32 | \amethyst | Akuw: correct |
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| 23:31.59 | Akuw | ok |
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| 23:32.54 | idq | hello |
| 23:32.56 | idq | can some1 tell me a tool to find all details regarding my server load , bandwidthd, cpu load/per user, memory use per user, hdd use per user, etc |
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| 23:34.31 | NiLon | /proc |
| 23:34.51 | idq | NiLon?? |
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| 23:43.43 | stew | idq: server load/cpu usage/memory usage you should be able to get from tools like ps/top/vmstat. bandwidth from iptraf, ntop. |
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| 23:50.43 | icesword | http://info.shallax.com/index.php |
| 23:50.56 | icesword | stew, hello. |
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| 23:57.47 | NetEcho | icesword you may wanna try the newer RC |
| 23:57.53 | NetEcho | it seems to work pretty good |
| 23:58.01 | FearedBliss | what you guys recommend lighthttpd or apache ? |
| 23:58.06 | NetEcho | also you may wanna keep that info in a harder to find location |
| 23:58.09 | FearedBliss | i use apache |
| 23:58.15 | FearedBliss | lightttpd seems good though |
| 23:58.15 | NetEcho | FearedBliss for what? |
| 23:58.18 | FearedBliss | Website |
| 23:58.22 | FearedBliss | probably a foru |
| 23:58.23 | NetEcho | what kind of website? |
| 23:58.24 | FearedBliss | forum* |
| 23:58.30 | icesword | NetEcho, hehe,thx,why ? |
| 23:58.31 | NetEcho | how much traffic? |
| 23:58.35 | FearedBliss | not much |
| 23:58.40 | FearedBliss | small community |
| 23:58.42 | NetEcho | icesword that can be a security risk |
| 23:58.48 | FearedBliss | less then 1000 people expected |
| 23:58.49 | icesword | hmmm.,i see |
| 23:59.01 | NetEcho | FearedBliss may wanna try lightttpd first |
| 23:59.05 | NetEcho | see how it works out |
| 23:59.14 | FearedBliss | alright. im new to server administration actually |
| 23:59.33 | FearedBliss | so im going to learn how to compile apache ( like what the extra stuff means and how i obtain that ) |
| 23:59.44 | NetEcho | apache is great but can have high overhead |
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| 23:59.55 | NetEcho | I have mine trimmed down to use very little resources |