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| 00:00.18 | themill | biggiebo: what version of debian are you using? |
| 00:00.41 | dutchfish | Danker, this of coarse doesnt work on transparent bridges, or cloaked firewalls |
| 00:00.52 | SparFux | Hey, I have one hour difference in time (CET). That's strange! I am using chrony and I am connected and synced to ptb, the german reference clock! |
| 00:00.55 | pingouin | biggiebo: maybe the binutils and binutils-dev ? |
| 00:01.29 | biggiebo | Supaplex: got error in running .. os.c: In function `get_user4': / os.c:291: error: structure has no member named `kp_proc' / os.c:328: error: storage size of 'pc' isn't known / os.c:464: error: invalid application of `sizeof' to incomplete type `ucred' / Stop in /root/oidentd-2.0.7/src. |
| 00:01.34 | Supaplex | SparFux: compare date -u (dst rolls over in some timezones sunday) |
| 00:01.52 | themill | biggiebo: can you give us the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:01.53 | Supaplex | biggiebo: oh, you're trying to install it from source? |
| 00:01.54 | SparFux | 00:53 |
| 00:01.55 | biggiebo | im not using debian linux, sorry, i tried to join freebsd channel and it says u need to be registered or something .. |
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| 00:02.31 | biggiebo | Supaplex yes |
| 00:02.34 | pingouin | biggiebo: did you registered your nick on this irc server ? |
| 00:02.44 | Supaplex | SparFux: I have ~ 23:12 here (this box has a skewed clock ~10m or so) |
| 00:02.56 | Supaplex | biggiebo: why not install it from a regular package? |
| 00:03.11 | themill | biggiebo: there's not much we can do to help with questions from people who aren't using debian. Even some other sort of linux is difficult enough let alone a bsd. |
| 00:03.17 | pingouin | biggiebo: you have to identify yourself to access the freebsd channel |
| 00:03.37 | SparFux | supaplex; Yes, I am one hour late! even though I am synced to an official reference clock! |
| 00:03.50 | biggiebo | themill: dpkg: Command not found. |
| 00:04.01 | Supaplex | biggiebo: step 0 is "install debian" |
| 00:04.08 | themill | :) |
| 00:04.12 | biggiebo | hehe |
| 00:04.20 | dutchfish | !rell SparFux about tzconfig |
| 00:04.26 | dutchfish | !tell SparFux about tzconfig |
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| 00:04.54 | SparFux | E: Couldn't find package tzconfig |
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| 00:05.21 | streuner | SparFux: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:05.25 | DukeDrake | hi |
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| 00:06.10 | Supaplex | *toke* *toke* *toke* high |
| 00:06.11 | SparFux | libc6 2.7-9 |
| 00:06.25 | streuner | !set time |
| 00:06.25 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 00:06.33 | SparFux | Perhaps it is because my chrony does not have an rtcdriver? But why would it get the wrong time off the net? |
| 00:06.34 | dutchfish | SparFux, libc6: usr/sbin/tzconfig |
| 00:06.50 | SparFux | I only have tzselect |
| 00:06.54 | SparFux | and I used it. |
| 00:06.56 | streuner | tzconfig isnt anymore in testing or usntable |
| 00:07.11 | Supaplex | SparFux: date -u is utc time. maybe it's too far skewed to reset (except manually) |
| 00:07.14 | streuner | SparFux: are you using Dual-Boot? |
| 00:07.28 | dutchfish | streuner, thx didnt know that because i use mostly etch |
| 00:07.37 | streuner | no worries |
| 00:07.39 | SparFux | streuner: no. |
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| 00:08.02 | streuner | SparFux: just run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and use ntpdate |
| 00:08.07 | SparFux | supaplex: I had this prob, corrected time manually, and now it is there again. |
| 00:08.10 | streuner | s/run/re-run/ |
| 00:08.25 | DukeDrake | how can I remount a device readonly? |
| 00:08.28 | SparFux | How can I use the rtc clock with chrony? It tells me it's 0:00 and 1970! |
| 00:08.33 | streuner | and set the right timezone (TZ) |
| 00:08.40 | Supaplex | DukeDrake: mount /path -o remount,ro |
| 00:08.50 | SparFux | streuner: ok. |
| 00:08.50 | dutchfish | DukeDrake, -ro |
| 00:09.04 | Supaplex | DukeDrake: failing that, unmount and mount again manually. some fs drivers do not support and silently ignore -o remount requests. |
| 00:09.06 | DukeDrake | Supaplex: thanx |
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| 00:10.55 | DukeDrake | hm ... it says, device is busy |
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| 00:11.09 | DukeDrake | can I list accessing processes? |
| 00:11.25 | DukeDrake | with lsof or something? |
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| 00:11.33 | assasukasse | how can i check what is blocking my alsa sound? |
| 00:11.51 | assasukasse | is like in use by smth so i can't get it working, but i cannot find what is using.. |
| 00:11.54 | assasukasse | is there any cmmand? |
| 00:11.58 | assasukasse | command? |
| 00:12.17 | Supaplex | DukeDrake: yea. lsof will not show mounted filesystems below that path. |
| 00:12.34 | Supaplex | eg, mounted /media/stick and mounted /media/stick/stuff |
| 00:12.34 | timonator | assasukasse: it's probably the case, that actually oss is using the sound card |
| 00:12.38 | DukeDrake | Supaplex: ? |
| 00:12.40 | SparFux | hwclock doesn't set time to 0:11 just to 1:11 ! |
| 00:12.47 | timonator | assasukasse: you can use lsof to check out what process uses /dev/dsp |
| 00:12.56 | DukeDrake | Supaplex: I rather meant: how do I use lsof? |
| 00:13.16 | assasukasse | timonator: probably yes.. |
| 00:13.17 | Supaplex | just run it. :P oh like lsof -n | grep /path |
| 00:13.20 | timonator | lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 00:13.26 | timonator | -n? |
| 00:13.28 | DukeDrake | thanx |
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| 00:13.38 | Supaplex | -n = no dns lookups |
| 00:14.02 | timonator | ah ok |
| 00:14.02 | DukeDrake | ok... that's ... too many. |
| 00:14.26 | assasukasse | timonator: funny thing, no result |
| 00:14.28 | Supaplex | too many? too many what? |
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| 00:14.38 | DukeDrake | can I tell linux to run a e2fsck at startup? |
| 00:14.49 | DukeDrake | Supaplex: too many processes (>100) |
| 00:15.01 | Nyle | amphi: ping |
| 00:15.30 | maligor | you can tell linux to do anything you want on startup |
| 00:15.55 | Supaplex | !next |
| 00:15.55 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:16.08 | Nyle | !paster |
| 00:16.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:16.31 | themill | assasukasse: the alsa init script contains code for that -- invoke-rc.d alsa reload |
| 00:16.35 | DukeDrake | maligor: how can I do that? (I'm rather novice) |
| 00:16.47 | assasukasse | themill: done before...no result |
| 00:16.49 | amphi | Nyle: pon |
| 00:17.00 | Nyle | Gran Paradiso Alpha 8 is nice |
| 00:17.08 | maligor | DukeDrake, why do you need to? |
| 00:17.26 | Nyle | hey amphi its raining outside |
| 00:17.28 | themill | assasukasse: that would imply that nothing is hogging your sound card |
| 00:17.35 | maligor | DukeDrake, you can boot into single user mode by adding 'single' as a kernel option |
| 00:17.40 | Supaplex | !start a paste war |
| 00:17.48 | assasukasse | themill: strangerly enemy territory refuses to use it :/ |
| 00:17.51 | DukeDrake | maligor: what?! |
| 00:17.53 | assasukasse | while it did use just before |
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| 00:18.09 | DukeDrake | what's single user mode? What's a kernel option? |
| 00:18.12 | maligor | DukeDrake, if you're using grub, you probably have (single) options already |
| 00:18.28 | DukeDrake | I'm not running any bootloader |
| 00:18.29 | maligor | DukeDrake, it's just a minimal system, you should be able to fsck in it |
| 00:18.31 | Nyle | amphi: http://paste.debian.net/50751 |
| 00:18.46 | maligor | DukeDrake, really? |
| 00:18.48 | Supaplex | DukeDrake: then pretel how does your kernel load? |
| 00:19.11 | maligor | DukeDrake, another way to do it is to use a live CD or the debian install cd rescue mode |
| 00:19.29 | amphi | Nyle: IIRC, you can't have 3d accel with xinerama |
| 00:19.32 | Nyle | amphi: I don't know if you recall but I for weeks I was trying to make 1 monitor use 1280x1024 and the other one using 1600x1200 with Xinerama instead of ATI/fglrx's Horizontal Big Desktop(ATI's dualhead solution) |
| 00:19.36 | DukeDrake | Supaplex: well .. I got some proprietary BIOS which I tell the path to the kernel ... and it loads it |
| 00:19.37 | Nyle | amphi: I know |
| 00:19.43 | Nyle | amphi: I just found that out today |
| 00:19.51 | amphi | Nyle: oh, ok - I know f-all about multihead |
| 00:20.00 | maligor | DukeDrake, well, it has to be capable of adding kernel options then too |
| 00:20.06 | Supaplex | DukeDrake: can you tell the bios about a different kernel commandline? |
| 00:20.13 | Nyle | amphi: the problem is I was unable to get seperate res/refresh on each individual monitor |
| 00:20.14 | maligor | you'd need to supply 'single' to it |
| 00:20.15 | amphi | Nyle: I just vaguely recalled that from man radeon or somewhere |
| 00:20.17 | Nyle | amphi: but I have done it now!! |
| 00:20.30 | Nyle | amphi: I recall from compiz-confusion's website |
| 00:20.32 | amphi | Nyle: cool - can't you use xrandr? |
| 00:20.36 | Supaplex | maybe it's a linuxbios variant |
| 00:20.42 | Nyle | amphi: maybe/maybe not |
| 00:20.48 | Nyle | amphi: no I was unable to |
| 00:21.08 | amphi | Nyle: ISTR people saying multihead with fglrx is a PITA |
| 00:21.23 | maligor | DukeDrake, a third option would be to modify the bootscripts, but I don't really recommend that unless you know what you're doing |
| 00:21.28 | Nyle | amphi: I was like fuck this, fuck aticonfig.. I sat down, broke up some budd, rolled up a massive blunt, and then made the whole xorg.conf while smoking and reading |
| 00:21.35 | Nyle | amphi: yes, using what though? |
| 00:21.36 | jetscreamer | i have a major problem: i don't know what computer parts to let the boss buy |
| 00:21.40 | jetscreamer | for me |
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| 00:21.49 | Nyle | amphi: and ATI's dualhead solutions was unsatisfactory for me |
| 00:21.51 | Nyle | it was a PITA |
| 00:21.58 | Nyle | w/e tf a pita is |
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| 00:22.04 | amphi | !PITA |
| 00:22.04 | dpkg | somebody said pita was pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 00:22.05 | jetscreamer | wtf is w/e |
| 00:22.08 | Nyle | im geussing food means its easy? |
| 00:22.11 | Nyle | what/ever |
| 00:22.12 | jetscreamer | !w/e |
| 00:22.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:22.26 | maligor | jetscreamer, let's see... RME Multiface II is a good choice :P |
| 00:22.48 | Nyle | dpkg w/e is *moves head side to side like a ghetto fabulous* WHAT EVER!! |
| 00:22.48 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 00:22.49 | amphi | Nyle: what about xrandr? that's the Way of the Future(tm) AFAIK |
| 00:22.57 | Nyle | amphi: maybe/maybe not |
| 00:23.00 | Nyle | like I said |
| 00:23.12 | amphi | Nyle: I am much the wiser, thanks ;0 |
| 00:23.16 | amphi | er, ;) |
| 00:23.19 | Nyle | eh? |
| 00:23.19 | jetscreamer | i don't think he'll be that generous |
| 00:23.27 | jetscreamer | no cray's either |
| 00:23.30 | Nyle | who will be generous |
| 00:23.36 | Nyle | what the fuck are you talking about guys |
| 00:23.40 | Nyle | I'm lost now |
| 00:23.42 | jetscreamer | i have a major problem: i don't know what computer parts to let the boss buy |
| 00:23.45 | Nyle | oh yeah, jetscreamer rememberes |
| 00:23.47 | jetscreamer | tha |
| 00:23.49 | amphi | Nyle: please try to keep up |
| 00:23.56 | Nyle | amphi: I am trying |
| 00:23.58 | jetscreamer | t |
| 00:24.08 | Nyle | I ate a footlong roastbeef with a giant bag of sunchips and a 2 litre |
| 00:24.11 | Nyle | im full |
| 00:24.23 | Nyle | kinda slow |
| 00:24.41 | amphi | heh |
| 00:24.49 | jetscreamer | i had deviled eggs olives and a fruit salad at antones |
| 00:24.51 | amphi | nindra |
| 00:24.58 | jetscreamer | usually i just eat meat |
| 00:25.14 | Nyle | amphi: the problem with ATI's dualhead --dtop=horizontal etc. is that they consolidate both displays into one framebuffer with a fucking 60hz refresh |
| 00:25.17 | Nyle | its unacceptable |
| 00:25.33 | Nyle | plus, it only gives me 1280x1024 + 1280x1024 == 2560x1024 |
| 00:25.39 | Nyle | its bullshit really |
| 00:25.50 | Nyle | now with this new xorg I created as stoned |
| 00:25.52 | jetscreamer | my other major problem is i have to put a better stronger faster hd in this box |
| 00:25.54 | Nyle | xorg.conf * |
| 00:26.01 | Supaplex | DukeDrake: /forcefsck will signal fsck to check all filesystems on boot. not sure the best way to go about that. touch /forcefsck && reboot should work, but there might be a better way. |
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| 00:26.30 | maligor | Nyle, using CRT's huh? |
| 00:26.35 | Nyle | amphi: now I've got 1280x1024 + 1600x1200 == 3200x1200 *no dead areas/scrollable* |
| 00:26.40 | Nyle | amphi: which is what I wanted. |
| 00:26.43 | jetscreamer | touch /forcefsck is fine, and all shutdown -Fr now does it touch /forcefsck i believe |
| 00:27.06 | amphi | Nyle: but no accel |
| 00:27.07 | jetscreamer | i don't know how to force an fsck for individual drives though |
| 00:27.11 | Nyle | amphi: also, :0.0 has 85Hz, while :0.1 has 75Hz |
| 00:27.26 | Nyle | amphi: I couldn't live with a 60hz produced by fucking ati any longer |
| 00:27.27 | jetscreamer | drives/partitions |
| 00:27.30 | Nyle | and twinview does the sme shit |
| 00:27.32 | jetscreamer | 60hz sucks ass |
| 00:27.37 | Nyle | in fact, twinview gives you 51hz |
| 00:27.40 | Nyle | immagine that shit |
| 00:27.41 | jetscreamer | 70 minimuim |
| 00:27.47 | jetscreamer | no that's a freaky 51 |
| 00:27.52 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 00:28.02 | Nyle | what do you mean |
| 00:28.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you ok? |
| 00:28.06 | jetscreamer | not like 60-9 |
| 00:28.11 | amphi | Nyle: it's a crt? |
| 00:28.12 | jetscreamer | it's different |
| 00:28.12 | Nyle | wtf are you going ona bout with the fucking big problems? |
| 00:28.15 | Nyle | amphi: yes |
| 00:28.19 | Nyle | amphi: look at the file |
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| 00:28.22 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/50751 |
| 00:28.26 | Nyle | amphi: jetscreamer: ^^ |
| 00:28.44 | jetscreamer | Nyle: to put the bigger stronger faster hd in 'this' box i have to turn it off.. now if that isn't a problem i don't know what is |
| 00:28.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 00:28.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer: well man |
| 00:29.05 | jetscreamer | remember, i have a rough life |
| 00:29.05 | Nyle | I had that problem for like 3 weeks |
| 00:29.09 | Nyle | so today |
| 00:29.18 | Nyle | I smoked a big bag and took care of my entire network |
| 00:29.22 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: tune2fs might be a sneaky way to trick it into checking. :) somethin like tune2fs -T 20040101 |
| 00:29.23 | Nyle | today was admin day at my house |
| 00:29.24 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:29.30 | shib | lol |
| 00:29.47 | Nyle | shib: shibby? |
| 00:29.54 | jetscreamer | it's build-a-box day here |
| 00:30.14 | Nyle | jetscreamer: word |
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| 00:30.31 | shib | i just finished watching a movie actually... and it was talking about how we used to use a more lunar based calendar... and i was trying to get a decent lunar calendar for deb.. but couldn't find anything good :-/ |
| 00:30.37 | jetscreamer | i had to work almost 6 hours, too, at work! |
| 00:30.45 | jetscreamer | those bastids! |
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| 00:30.51 | Nyle | shib: search islamic |
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| 00:30.58 | shib | orly? |
| 00:31.02 | Nyle | shib: or see if you can find a islamic calandar |
| 00:31.02 | jetscreamer | shibboleth ? |
| 00:31.05 | Nyle | uhh yeah |
| 00:31.22 | Nyle | The Islamic calendar is based on the lunar cycle |
| 00:31.25 | jetscreamer | that's a word, right? |
| 00:31.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dude |
| 00:31.36 | Nyle | stop |
| 00:31.37 | Nyle | smoking |
| 00:31.38 | Nyle | crack. |
| 00:31.42 | jetscreamer | seriously |
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| 00:31.45 | Nyle | :/ |
| 00:31.53 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dictionary.com |
| 00:32.18 | Nyle | heh crackhead |
| 00:32.19 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:32.34 | shib | islamic didn't return much... really i just want something to say like.. .what phase we're in, how that relates to other stages n shit... nawmean? |
| 00:32.39 | jetscreamer | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shibboleth |
| 00:32.42 | jetscreamer | shibby! |
| 00:32.53 | shib | :-/ @ js |
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| 00:32.55 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:33.02 | Nyle | so get a moonphase prog |
| 00:33.04 | amphi | 'shibboleth' is a great word |
| 00:33.25 | shib | Nyle: exactly, know of a good one? |
| 00:33.28 | Nyle | kmoon - moon phase indicator for KDE |
| 00:33.36 | Nyle | shib: apt-cache search moon |
| 00:33.50 | Nyle | why? |
| 00:33.51 | amphi | Nyle: none of your krap ;) |
| 00:33.54 | Nyle | why do you care about the moon? |
| 00:34.01 | shib | xfce would be nice... something gtk based :) |
| 00:34.02 | amphi | Nyle: none of your business |
| 00:34.06 | jetscreamer | why does one care about anything |
| 00:34.16 | Nyle | amphi: what? |
| 00:34.20 | jetscreamer | huh? |
| 00:34.22 | Nyle | amphi: seriously |
| 00:34.29 | Nyle | amphi: why do you need to look at the moon phase |
| 00:34.37 | amphi | shib: there's a gnome moon phase applet you can use in xfce4-panel with the gnome-applet-applet |
| 00:34.45 | amphi | Nyle: I like to know |
| 00:34.47 | shib | Nyle: it's a way of keeping time without being*told* what time it is |
| 00:35.06 | amphi | Nyle: not least for the tides ;) |
| 00:35.10 | craigevil | shib: glunarclock - GNOME Lunar Clock moon applet |
| 00:35.14 | Nyle | amphi: dude |
| 00:35.15 | Nyle | seriously |
| 00:35.25 | amphi | Nyle: more to the point, why don't you care? |
| 00:35.27 | Nyle | I don't get it |
| 00:35.27 | shib | craigevil: something without that many dependancies :-| |
| 00:35.36 | Nyle | amphi: well damn man c'mon |
| 00:35.39 | Nyle | I'm a pothead |
| 00:35.45 | Nyle | ffs, why would I give a shit about the moon |
| 00:35.48 | amphi | and an urban one at that |
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| 00:35.52 | Nyle | well I mean |
| 00:35.56 | shib | man! Nyle you gotta learn more about what it all means |
| 00:35.57 | Nyle | well |
| 00:35.59 | shib | all the sun gods n shit |
| 00:36.05 | amphi | probably never see the moon past all the junklight |
| 00:36.10 | shib | the stars mean sooo much to our everyday world man |
| 00:36.11 | Nyle | that is heresey |
| 00:36.12 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice nyle to the sun god |
| 00:36.17 | Nyle | blasphemey |
| 00:36.32 | jetscreamer | !blaspheme |
| 00:36.42 | jetscreamer | ooo you know the word |
| 00:36.46 | jetscreamer | anathema! |
| 00:36.51 | Nyle | good band |
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| 00:36.58 | Nyle | omg I haven't heard them in years |
| 00:37.04 | jetscreamer | it's a band too? |
| 00:37.06 | Nyle | one of the most underrated bands in the world |
| 00:37.10 | jetscreamer | duh of course it is |
| 00:37.15 | Nyle | amazing rock (kinda metalish) but singing is amazing |
| 00:37.18 | Nyle | emotional shit |
| 00:37.28 | azeem | eh dudes -> #debian-offtopic |
| 00:37.49 | craigevil | just use emacs to show the moon phase |
| 00:37.51 | jetscreamer | you ontopic nazi! |
| 00:38.00 | Nyle | dude isn't he from germany |
| 00:38.01 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:38.08 | jetscreamer | :/ hope not |
| 00:38.09 | Nyle | jetscreamer: thats fucked up |
| 00:38.10 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:38.23 | jaj | Hi! I was just wondering why the python-twisted package(s) depend on X11 stuff |
| 00:38.29 | vvd | lol as if all germans are nazis :\ |
| 00:38.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: uh yeh... |
| 00:38.37 | jetscreamer | amphi told you about one shib |
| 00:38.52 | shib | gnome applet? |
| 00:38.59 | amphi | shib: two, actually - there's one for gkrellm |
| 00:39.10 | jetscreamer | app, or applet |
| 00:39.15 | jetscreamer | application |
| 00:39.19 | amphi | shib: yes; xfc4-panel has an applet that can load gnome-applets |
| 00:39.25 | Nyle | !info kmoon |
| 00:39.28 | Nyle | gtk sucks! |
| 00:39.29 | dpkg | kmoon: (moon phase indicator for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 168 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 00:39.33 | Nyle | :/ |
| 00:39.37 | jetscreamer | kde stuff will work in xfce |
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| 00:39.53 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 00:39.53 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 00:39.54 | Nyle | btw, does anyone like firefox 3 yet? |
| 00:40.06 | amphi | Nyle: no one likes firefox at all |
| 00:40.09 | craigevil | nope still breaks too many extensions |
| 00:40.18 | jetscreamer | the guy who said it crashed or something in the other channel didn't seem to |
| 00:40.24 | Nyle | amphi: you are supposed to be laughing dude |
| 00:40.26 | themill | jaj: I can't see any dep there.... what package in particular are you looking at? |
| 00:40.34 | jelly-home | Supaplex: no patch can take away the suck from GTK+ |
| 00:40.37 | Roge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.55 | Nyle | I'm using firefox3 right now in sid |
| 00:40.57 | Nyle | its not bad |
| 00:40.59 | Nyle | it works |
| 00:41.15 | Nyle | at least it works :/ I use konqeuror for everything unless it can't render something |
| 00:41.33 | cloakable | heh |
| 00:41.40 | Nyle | jelly-home: very well said |
| 00:41.57 | amphi | shib: you can see the gkrellm one here, http://picpaste.com/pics/ss-gkrellm.1205023298.png |
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| 00:42.01 | Soskel | hi |
| 00:42.11 | Soskel | are there any system administrators here? |
| 00:42.26 | jelly-home | Nyle: does flash work in konqueror for you? It stopped working here, probably with the latest flashplugin-nonfree update |
| 00:42.32 | shib | amphi: hmmm |
| 00:42.45 | Nyle | jelly-home: amd64, 3.5.8, adobe flashplayer, yes. |
| 00:42.48 | amphi | shib: was that not what you meant? |
| 00:42.53 | themill | !tell Soskel about ask |
| 00:43.05 | Nyle | jelly-home: I haven't updated today |
| 00:43.05 | Nyle | yet |
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| 00:43.15 | shib | well... not sure, i have this kmoon installed... can't find it's executable yet... |
| 00:43.18 | mbroeker | jelly, flash wasn't working in konqueror for a long time. but now, it works again in lenny |
| 00:43.19 | Nyle | any bugs filed yet ? |
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| 00:43.23 | shib | i think something more stand alone... not sure |
| 00:43.25 | jaj | themill: well I didn't trace the dependencies exactly but just take a look: http://rafb.net/p/YF7Te972.html |
| 00:43.32 | jelly-home | Nyle: today? I have konqueror 3.5.7 :-) |
| 00:43.48 | Nyle | jelly-home: ? |
| 00:43.53 | Nyle | why? |
| 00:44.03 | amphi | shib: it has a lot of info in its tooltip; rise/set times, age, fraction illuminated, etc |
| 00:44.04 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.12 | jelly-home | Nyle: I don't upgrade every day. |
| 00:44.14 | Nyle | jelly-home: why did you not upgrade to the other kde |
| 00:44.20 | Nyle | jelly-home: why? |
| 00:44.22 | Nyle | not? |
| 00:44.25 | Nyle | godoamldjf;alkdj;lfajsdf |
| 00:44.28 | Nyle | why not? |
| 00:44.29 | jelly-home | why the fuck should I? |
| 00:44.34 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 00:44.38 | Nyle | why wouldn't you? |
| 00:44.38 | jaj | themill: I think it's very strange that it wants to fetch libglade. This is on etch (with some apt-get pinning) |
| 00:44.41 | mbroeker | konqueror-4:3.5.8.dfsg.1 KDE's advanced file manager works again with flash, the prior version is not flash-aware. |
| 00:44.55 | jelly-home | Nyle: because things break. |
| 00:45.12 | Nyle | jelly-home: I refuse to believe you can't fix em |
| 00:45.13 | themill | jaj: it's not actually install X, just some X libs. Does it do font rendering in images for example? |
| 00:45.25 | Nyle | jelly-home: unless you are lazy |
| 00:45.39 | jelly-home | Nyle: I don't _want_ to fix them. Computers ought to work! |
| 00:45.51 | Nyle | which is understandable as I am the epitome of laziness. I'll lay on top of a woman and wait for an earthquake, thats how lazy I am. |
| 00:45.55 | Nyle | jelly-home: I understand |
| 00:46.06 | jaj | themill: it's a networking library and it doesn't fetch need any graphics related things on other OSes |
| 00:46.19 | jelly-home | Nyle: passed the point where it was fun losing a couple hours fixing breakage after upgrades |
| 00:46.29 | Nyle | jelly-home: me too |
| 00:46.53 | Nyle | jelly-home: not too much else I need to learn it seems |
| 00:47.00 | jelly-home | that said, /me sees konqueror 4.0.2 in experimental O:-) |
| 00:47.02 | Nyle | jelly-home: I upgrade everyday just cuz |
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| 00:47.13 | Nyle | oh yeh .02 there |
| 00:47.17 | Nyle | damn its windy outside |
| 00:47.26 | Nyle | you know |
| 00:47.47 | Nyle | kde4 is ugh |
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| 00:47.56 | Nyle | i'll check it out next year or something |
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| 00:48.13 | ricosecada | Any recommendations, based on experience, with the choice of pop3 server? |
| 00:48.13 | Nyle | for now 3.5.x is fine and dandy |
| 00:48.36 | Nyle | ricosecada: docevot |
| 00:48.45 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 00:48.48 | Nyle | ricosecada: dovexot |
| 00:48.52 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 00:48.54 | Nyle | I give up! |
| 00:49.02 | jelly-home | !lose Nyle |
| 00:49.02 | dpkg | Nyle: You Lose. |
| 00:49.09 | ricosecada | :-) |
| 00:49.11 | jelly-home | ricosecada: dovecot is okay |
| 00:49.28 | themill | jaj: the deps seem to come in from python-twisted-words (gtk and glade) |
| 00:49.50 | jelly-home | (that's a second opinion, not a typo fix) |
| 00:49.52 | ricosecada | does dovecot work "out of the box" when it is installed for local users? or does it need specifik tweaking and setup? |
| 00:50.05 | Nyle | !ootb |
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| 00:50.22 | Nyle | dpkg ootb is NOTHING just works Out Of The Box... |
| 00:50.22 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 00:50.34 | Nyle | ricosecada: /msg dpkg ootb |
| 00:51.09 | jelly-home | ricosecada: it can do both pop3 and imap. I think I needed to enable one of those manually, but I don't remember which one. It wasn't too hard, though |
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| 00:52.01 | ricosecada | thanks |
| 00:52.04 | jelly-home | Nyle: um, there's something in the policy about having reasonable defaults, so things should work ootb if they can |
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| 00:53.01 | jaj | themill: thanks. unfortunately pymsnt (an msn transport for jabber servers) depends on the whole thing even though it's a daemon program which does'nt do any graphics. Wouldn't it be better if it only depended on the subpackages it really needs? |
| 00:53.08 | Nyle | jelly-home: definitely and we should try to make them that way as much as possible |
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| 00:53.42 | Nyle | jelly-home: however, I like to tell people to read/configure/get to know things instead of just expecting that something will work exactly the way you want it to without configuring it |
| 00:53.57 | Nyle | which actually seems kinda stupid, cuz if you don't configure it, how will it be to your liking |
| 00:54.11 | Nyle | but thats going too far out though |
| 00:54.26 | Nyle | still, yes, dovecot requires configuration. |
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| 00:56.02 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 01:03.25 | tonyb486 | dvgrab and kino won't work on debian testing because there is no raw1394 module, why not? |
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| 01:05.04 | abrotman | tonyb486: uh .. something about raw1394 sucks .. and no one supports it .. but the new stuff sucks equally as much because none of the software works with it .. something like that |
| 01:05.57 | tonyb486 | the whole, gives whoever can read it access to every single firewire device thing probably.. |
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| 01:08.51 | abrotman | tonyb486: it might bein the changelog or the news |
| 01:09.13 | simonrvn | the thing with firewire is that access is decided by the device itself |
| 01:09.38 | simonrvn | afaict linux fw doesn't deal with that much if at all |
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| 01:11.35 | Soskel | does ispconfig change around debians core files? |
| 01:11.38 | Soskel | hi everyone |
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| 01:13.05 | Placid | !dts |
| 01:13.08 | Placid | !bts |
| 01:13.08 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 01:16.02 | Roge | is anyone using OTR with any messenger on debian ? |
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| 01:19.33 | abrotman | pidgin/gaim has it |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | tonyb486: or fix your apps! |
| 01:19.58 | tonyb486 | not mine, dvgrab and kino |
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| 01:20.23 | Roge | theres no pidgin for debian it seems |
| 01:20.37 | Roge | theres a kopete version but the deb's are old |
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| 01:20.40 | abrotman | then it's etch |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | and use gaim |
| 01:20.59 | Roge | is the otr for gaim in the repo ? |
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| 01:24.02 | efaistos | What do you use to configure wireless cards depending of your location ? |
| 01:24.04 | Gun_Smoke | I'm trying to get Virtualbox going... I have the kernel modules, kernel headers, and have installed virtualbox-ose , yet I can't seem to load vboxdrv. I did modprobe vboxdrv and get FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. What am I doing wrong? |
| 01:24.31 | jelly-home | Gun_Smoke: apparently you don't have kernel modules. |
| 01:25.36 | jelly-home | Gun_Smoke: is a package named virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 01:25.48 | lastnode | this is so weird. im trying to install pytube vi a deb. it depends mencoder, but mencoder is nowhere to be found in teh repos :/ |
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| 01:26.00 | jelly-home | lastnode: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 01:26.24 | abrotman | lastnode: then pytube isn't from Debian |
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| 01:26.56 | jelly-home | lastnode: that repository has decent packages for a number of apps, mencoder among them |
| 01:27.01 | lastnode | abrotman: i know, but what kind of idiot would make a debian package that dpends on something tha tisnt even in teh debian repos |
| 01:27.03 | Gun_Smoke | jelly-home: Yes |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | lastnode: what kind of idiot would download something from some random place that depends on a package from some other random place .. and then whine about it in #debian :) |
| 01:27.47 | efaistos | :p |
| 01:27.58 | efaistos | abrotman++ |
| 01:28.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: and idiot that wants some software to work on his debian machine |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | it needs a ! |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: an or and ? |
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| 01:28.19 | efaistos | !abrotman++ |
| 01:28.23 | jelly-home | an |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | i thought so :) |
| 01:28.31 | lastnode | abrotman: the howto on pytube doesnt say so, it just sys to use apt-get, it doesnt say anythign about debian0multimedia |
| 01:28.45 | lastnode | if i wer eth eauthor of a package, id make sure my users knew where to get the dependencies |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | lastnode: luckily you knew how to find us :) |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | lastnode: but it's in the dmm stuff like jelly said |
| 01:29.03 | jelly-home | lastnode: then they're plainly wrong, mencoder hasn't been available in debian for quite some time |
| 01:29.06 | lastnode | yes, thank you, im getitng it now |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | was it ever? |
| 01:29.18 | efaistos | hmm ... nobody for the wireless configuration ? |
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| 01:29.34 | lastnode | efaistos: what chipset? |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | efaistos: i put all my options in the interfaces file .. end of config :) |
| 01:30.00 | amphi | efaistos: iwconfig ;) |
| 01:30.17 | efaistos | abrotman: paste somewhere ? |
| 01:30.28 | efaistos | would like to see and example ... |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | efaistos: i'm not giving you my key! |
| 01:30.46 | efaistos | you can scramble that ... :) |
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| 01:31.03 | abrotman | efaistos: man iwconfig will tell you the options you need to stick in your interfaces file |
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| 01:31.41 | jsubl2 | efaistos: good readin is also found at less /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 01:32.15 | simonrvn | stick it in! stick it in! |
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| 01:32.31 | jelly-home | all the way. |
| 01:32.42 | efaistos | abrotman: It's working that's not the point ... I need just something to switch from one wireless to another without editing "interfaces" file each time |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:33.09 | abrotman | well .. they have the gnome thingie .. and network-manager . i'm sure kde has something |
| 01:33.21 | zorton | I need to downgrade a package to the previous rev, is there any provision in aptitude for this? |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | zorton: use dpkg |
| 01:33.55 | zorton | abrotman: so grab the old packages and do it manualy? |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:34.02 | zorton | k |
| 01:34.03 | zorton | thanks |
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| 01:34.46 | efaistos | abrotman: tried that but nothing really work well ... basically with the ipw3945 it activate it when it wants ... Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt ... just boring so prefer to use directly something else |
| 01:34.49 | lastnode | ls |
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| 01:34.56 | lastnode | er, sorry |
| 01:35.20 | amphi | efaistos: did you try the iwlwifi driver? |
| 01:35.33 | efaistos | amphi: what's that ? |
| 01:35.43 | efaistos | meaning no i didnt :) |
| 01:35.53 | amphi | efaistos: intellinuxwireless.org |
| 01:36.26 | jsubl2 | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 01:36.34 | efaistos | jsubl2: the wireless-tools README looks interesting but can we put different essid inside ? |
| 01:37.12 | jsubl2 | efaistos: read this http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17199 |
| 01:37.26 | jsubl2 | efaistos: been lookin at this the last day or so my self |
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| 01:37.52 | efaistos | jsubl2: i'll check that thanks |
| 01:38.07 | efaistos | amphi: that's just the new driver for intel cards ? |
| 01:38.18 | amphi | efaistos: yes |
| 01:39.37 | jsubl2 | efaistos: it 54 mb bit rate with iwlwifi connection |
| 01:39.58 | Roge | ty the gaim and otr plugin worked fine from the repo |
| 01:39.58 | jelly-home | Gun_Smoke: does "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name vboxdrv.ko" report anything? |
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| 01:40.12 | efaistos | jsubl2: the beginning looks right the same problem as me ... every boot is a pain in the ass to get the wireless card ok ... |
| 01:40.39 | jsubl2 | efaistos: might want to save that page locally. i needed it |
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| 01:41.59 | lastnode | hwo can i force an app to be verbose when it dies? pytube just executes adn goes back to teh cli |
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| 01:43.25 | octox2 | is it normal to only get core0 and core1 temp outputs when i run sensors, or should i get stuff like system temps ? |
| 01:43.52 | jelly-home | lastnode: there's no common answer to that. Some apps have options to enable more verbosity/debug output. Failing that, some script languages have builtin debuggers or debugger modules. Python is one of them. |
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| 01:44.29 | scane | Hi. the networking is somehow broken. how can i repeat the configure process from when i installed? |
| 01:44.36 | lastnode | cool thanks jelly-home |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | !tell scane about interfaces |
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| 01:48.05 | scane | abrotman, thank you. still don't know how to bring up the net config wizard |
| 01:48.12 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 01:48.37 | scane | so how do you call this what happens when you install, you are being asked netmask and everything? |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | you cna't |
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| 01:49.31 | scane | ok. so i will have to repair by hand. thank you. |
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| 01:51.07 | lastnode | is it safe to mix mirros for deb, and deb-src? because netsleect found a fast mirror for me, but it doesnt seem to have source packages on it |
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| 01:53.06 | jelly-home | lastnode: if you're using a single release, if ought to be safe. All the mirrors are supposed to have the same package set |
| 01:53.22 | lastnode | im using lenny |
| 01:53.57 | lastnode | im getting 403 forbidden on testing/contrib Packages testing/main Sources etc |
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| 01:54.17 | lastnode | i copied across the line fromteh sources.list generated by netselect-apt, jus changed stable to testing |
| 01:54.24 | lastnode | could it be that the mirror does not have testing packages? |
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| 02:01.58 | abrotman | lastnode: which mirror ? |
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| 02:03.38 | spaceracoonlady | yes |
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| 02:05.32 | wwallace | hello i come in peace |
| 02:05.49 | wwallace | trying to mv a whole dir to an ntfs-3g mounted volume get errors |
| 02:06.02 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/50752 |
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| 02:07.04 | wwallace | im doing mv /home/wwallace/nesebaup /media/hdd1/nesetemp |
| 02:07.05 | icesword | hmm |
| 02:07.16 | icesword | ! 4.0 r3 |
| 02:07.29 | pppoe_dude | hi icesword |
| 02:07.32 | wwallace | /dev/sde1 on /media/hdd1 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
| 02:07.40 | icesword | pppoe_dude, oh,hi,body |
| 02:07.57 | jelly-home | wwallace: i/o error looks weird. Is that an external device? |
| 02:08.06 | wwallace | no |
| 02:08.36 | jelly-home | wwallace: any errors in dmesg? |
| 02:08.43 | icesword | ! upgrade |
| 02:08.43 | dpkg | well, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
| 02:08.43 | wwallace | as i said is an ntf volume mounted ntfs-3g |
| 02:08.49 | wwallace | jelly, |
| 02:08.51 | wwallace | let me c |
| 02:09.09 | wwallace | wwallace@MP3J:~$ dmsg -tail |
| 02:09.09 | wwallace | bash: dmsg: command not found |
| 02:09.09 | wwallace | wwallace@MP3J:~$ |
| 02:09.14 | lastnode | abrotman: http://69.90.213.247/debian/ <0- that one |
| 02:09.16 | icesword | hmmm |
| 02:09.19 | icesword | dmesg |
| 02:09.22 | jelly-home | one can have ntfs on an external device too. |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | lastnode: i have no idea what that is .. most debian mirrors have names .. not IPs |
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| 02:09.56 | icesword | abrotman, hi, |
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| 02:10.28 | wwallace | http://paste.debian.net/50753 |
| 02:10.47 | Nyle | simonrvn: hi |
| 02:11.16 | jelly-home | heh, paste.d.n gives me a 5xx error |
| 02:11.39 | jelly-home | wwallace: try some other pastebin |
| 02:11.49 | wwallace | ? |
| 02:11.57 | jelly-home | !pastebin |
| 02:11.57 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 02:12.22 | jelly-home | wwallace: I cannot access paste.debian.net. Use another site. |
| 02:12.29 | Nyle | channels.debian.net/paste is probably not the same or is it? |
| 02:12.34 | Nyle | as pdn |
| 02:12.41 | Nyle | oh doh |
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| 02:12.44 | Nyle | im a moron |
| 02:12.46 | pppoe_dude | hello... i would like to get some pretty debian screenshots on my website... if anyone here is running a pretty desktop, please post a screenshot |
| 02:12.55 | pppoe_dude | --> www.xshot.org is the site |
| 02:13.09 | efaistos | jsubl2: what driver do you use for your wireless card ? |
| 02:13.18 | Nyle | pppoe_dude: ok |
| 02:13.27 | Nyle | pppoe_dude: I have a few actually |
| 02:13.38 | jsubl2 | efaistos: switched to iwl3945 this morning |
| 02:13.40 | Nyle | pppoe_dude: I've taken over the course of my debian years |
| 02:13.42 | wwallace | jelly, many errors like this |
| 02:13.54 | wwallace | [ 1771.926734] sd 10:0:1:0: [sde] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK,SUGGEST_OK |
| 02:13.54 | pppoe_dude | Nyle, sweet |
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| 02:14.51 | jelly-home | wwallace: I have no idea what that means and whether it's relevant or can just be ignored, sorry |
| 02:14.57 | wwallace | ok |
| 02:15.04 | wwallace | thanks for your valuable time |
| 02:15.31 | jelly-home | wwallace: pastebin your /var/log/kern.log instead -- you have timestamps there, so you'll see if those messages are recent or not |
| 02:15.45 | wwallace | http://rafb.net/p/oYUEm660.html |
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| 02:16.10 | jelly-home | that's not kern.log |
| 02:16.16 | wwallace | wwallace@MP3J:~$ cat /var/log/kern.log |
| 02:16.16 | wwallace | cat: /var/log/kern.log: Permission denied |
| 02:16.16 | wwallace | wwallace@MP3J:~$ |
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| 02:16.38 | lastnode | abrotman: np, that's just what netselect-apt gave me |
| 02:16.43 | jelly-home | wwallace: however, you seem to have with driver or hardware issues |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 02:16.51 | jelly-home | s/with/either/ |
| 02:17.10 | wwallace | http://rafb.net/p/CPjyP194.html |
| 02:17.22 | wwallace | abrotman, how the hell are you? |
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| 02:20.31 | jelly-home | wwallace: so the errors are recent. faulty driver, or faulty hardware. check the temperatures, check smart status for that sde disk, try reseating the cables if the previous two are ok. You'll need to chkdsk that ntfs partition if the drive is good. |
| 02:20.52 | wwallace | ok thanks jelly |
| 02:21.17 | efaistos | jsubl2: you just put wpa-driver ipw3945 in interfaces file ? |
| 02:21.19 | jelly-home | wwallace: which version of kernel and ntfs-3g, btw? |
| 02:21.31 | wwallace | Linux MP3J 2.6.24-11-generic #1 SMP Sun Mar 2 22:33:09 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:21.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: like that |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | wwallace: which version of debian is that? |
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| 02:22.02 | jsubl2 | efaistos: i just set up via the wireless tools for today. gonna take the wpa_supplicant step another day. I have no pressing need for roaming |
| 02:22.14 | wwallace | very funny abrotman you know thats not debian |
| 02:22.17 | wwallace | sort of |
| 02:22.30 | wwallace | i think we know each other more than a year |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | wwallace: then why are you asking here? |
| 02:22.35 | wwallace | and you know what i run |
| 02:22.36 | efaistos | jsubl2: what is roaming exactly ? |
| 02:22.44 | wwallace | are you gonna start? |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | wwallace: ask whatever channel is appropriate for your distro, this is not it |
| 02:23.03 | jsubl2 | efaistos: accessing different access points |
| 02:23.06 | wwallace | the guy is trying to help anyway we are done and i thanked him for his time niow im out |
| 02:23.08 | wwallace | and you |
| 02:23.12 | wwallace | thanks for nothing |
| 02:23.16 | efaistos | jsubl2: ok |
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| 02:23.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: did you actually fix him? |
| 02:23.34 | jelly-home | nope |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: his MO is to come in .. ask about some weird problem usually kernel related .. go on for 20 minutes or so until you find out it's morphix or whatever he's using now .. and be mean to people at the same time |
| 02:24.19 | jelly-home | told him to look at the kernel log, though. points to hw or drivers... with 2.6.24-whatever, who knows |
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| 02:24.29 | jsubl2 | efaistos: if you have pressing need to roam you could try network manager |
| 02:24.46 | efaistos | tried not working the best |
| 02:24.59 | efaistos | prefere to bring interface manually |
| 02:24.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: hm, that's not exactly nice. |
| 02:25.29 | ftp3 | ok,, i have a strange issue.. i have a system that, for some reason, the onboard nic will not download at a "normal |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: he's done it more times than i can count .. but not in quite awhile that i've noticed |
| 02:25.43 | jsubl2 | efaistos: for one ap the wireless tool is real easy |
| 02:25.56 | jelly-home | hopefully he'll learn to check for hw issues next time he gets an io error |
| 02:26.19 | ftp3 | "normal" speed.. its slower than every other computer I have with the exact same mb.. i have debian installed but i even put in a knoppix live cd and , same thing.. slow network.. |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | not likely |
| 02:26.29 | efaistos | jsubl2: yeah but when you have a couple of them ... it doesnt handle everything very well |
| 02:26.29 | jsubl2 | efaistos: you comfy using iwconfig |
| 02:26.36 | ftp3 | can I do any testing from the OS level to see what is up? |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | ftp3: mii-tool or ethtool any help ? |
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| 02:27.42 | jsubl2 | efaistos: you might get it going with 1 ap. using wireless-tools readme. then go to wpa_supplicant to pick up second |
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| 02:27.58 | jsubl2 | efaistos: 2 clear steps. |
| 02:28.44 | jsubl2 | efaistos: i will put portion of interfaces file in #flood if you need it |
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| 02:30.40 | ftp3 | abrotman: I will search for those packages, ty |
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| 02:33.04 | lastnode | hey Kamping_Kaiser suup |
| 02:33.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | lastnode, gday, hows it going? |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | no fraternizing with the aussies! |
| 02:35.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | :( |
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| 02:39.26 | lastnode | Kamping_Kaiser: not bad |
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| 02:44.30 | efaistos | jsubl2: configured everything like the stuff on that page but had to reboot the laptop couldnt bring the interface up ... and now it worked directly :P |
| 02:44.41 | efaistos | have just to check at work monday :p |
| 02:45.19 | NetEcho | anyone good with the ifup ifdown stuff? |
| 02:45.44 | NetEcho | nm |
| 02:46.02 | jsubl2 | efaistos: cool |
| 02:46.21 | efaistos | have maybe to use taht new driver also ? |
| 02:46.33 | efaistos | is it better ? what's the diff ? |
| 02:46.34 | jsubl2 | efaistos: i am hoping the wpa_supplicant stuff isn't too hard. probably do that next weekend |
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| 02:46.49 | efaistos | jsubl2: nope done in 40 minutes ;) |
| 02:46.57 | jsubl2 | efaistos: great! |
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| 02:48.13 | lindenle | Anyone know the environment variable to make mozilla launch from the remote host? |
| 02:48.24 | octox2 | is there a command i can type in console to get cpu % load ? |
| 02:48.31 | centrx | lindenle, DISPLAY ? |
| 02:48.32 | jsubl2 | efaistos: i dont need it till vacation which is a couple months away. till then my idea of roaming is going from the study to the dining room |
| 02:48.33 | lindenle | uptime |
| 02:48.49 | lindenle | centrx: not to tell it to use the remote binary not the local one |
| 02:49.00 | lindenle | octox2:~~ |
| 02:49.03 | efaistos | jsubl2: :P but it's still usable when you go somewhere ... |
| 02:49.05 | lindenle | octox2: uptime |
| 02:49.08 | centrx | octox2, uptime gives you CPU load; 1.00 = 1 CPU, first number is most recent |
| 02:49.18 | efaistos | s/usable/useful/ |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | not quite how it works ... |
| 02:49.36 | centrx | lindenle, you can ssh to the remote computer, change the DISPLAY variable and launch |
| 02:49.43 | centrx | not sure what you are looking for |
| 02:50.28 | lindenle | centrx: Ill ask at firefox and tell you just a minute |
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| 02:50.38 | perlmonkey | help!!! |
| 02:50.44 | perlmonkey | I think I borked my sys |
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| 02:51.34 | jescis | efaistos, a monkey wrench? |
| 02:51.37 | octox2 | what about a command line that gives memory usage, besides top , any good ones ? |
| 02:51.41 | perlmonkey | did: apt-get update apt-get upgrade (hadn't updated/upgraded in like 6 months or more) sources.list shows testing _Sarge_ |
| 02:51.45 | perlmonkey | have I broke it? |
| 02:52.24 | centrx | well, what's wrong |
| 02:52.26 | centrx | octox2, free |
| 02:52.40 | perlmonkey | lots of stuff is not working as it should now, particular perl stuff |
| 02:53.04 | centrx | octox2, note that the top line includes all the cache and buffers that the kernel fills up so the system is more responsive, the second line is the "real" memory usage of applications |
| 02:53.47 | centrx | perlmonkey, it is possible you upgraded something only part way |
| 02:53.54 | octox2 | cool, thanks |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | perlmonkey: what is testing/sarge ? |
| 02:54.36 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 02:54.59 | perlmonkey | abrotman: debian testing, code named "sarge" |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | paste your sources.list |
| 02:55.10 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 02:55.11 | centrx | sarge is the oldstable release |
| 02:55.55 | perlmonkey | http://pastebin.com/m4a43a35 |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | perlmonkey: it's commented out |
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| 02:56.25 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you're using testing .. what'st he problem ? |
| 02:56.25 | perlmonkey | so, by doing an update and upgrade, I've tainted my old system with new packages from a higher release eh? |
| 02:56.56 | perlmonkey | abrotman: but that's testing from ages ago, like 7+ months back |
| 02:57.11 | perlmonkey | there's been a release shuffle since then? |
| 02:57.18 | centrx | well testing is always changing |
| 02:57.26 | perlmonkey | I'm screwed? |
| 02:57.28 | centrx | what do you want to do |
| 02:57.31 | centrx | no it should work fine |
| 02:57.37 | perlmonkey | oh phew |
| 02:57.43 | octox2 | is there a program that can tell you your fan speeds? |
| 02:57.53 | centrx | it is probably just in a half-upgraded state |
| 02:57.54 | perlmonkey | right now cpan is not working |
| 02:57.58 | lindenle | MOZ_NO_REMOTE <-- centrx |
| 02:58.04 | lindenle | tahts what I was looking for |
| 02:58.16 | perlmonkey | centrx: any idea how to fix it? I did upgrade and it says its completed |
| 02:58.19 | lindenle | ok is there a way to remote control amarok |
| 02:58.21 | perlmonkey | but I dunno what to do |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | perlmonkey: who is it not working ? |
| 02:58.58 | abrotman | how |
| 02:59.07 | centrx | perlmonkey, first, try doing: apt-get install apt dpkg perl-base |
| 02:59.12 | perlmonkey | LWP failed with code[500] message[Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18.3) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22.10) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 02:59.17 | perlmonkey | this does not sound good eh |
| 02:59.17 | centrx | to make sure you have those packages in line |
| 02:59.29 | perlmonkey | abrotman: that's from cpan |
| 02:59.31 | centrx | LWP is just a perl module |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you dist-upgrade all the way ? |
| 03:00.02 | perlmonkey | no way, I was too scared :-} I just did apt-get update upgrade |
| 03:00.09 | perlmonkey | is it safe to do dist-upgrade? |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | that's probably why |
| 03:00.32 | abrotman | perlmonkey: i have no idea what state your system is in .. if you're this scared .. why aren't you running stable ? |
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| 03:00.51 | perlmonkey | I needed some apps that were only available in testing at the time |
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| 03:02.14 | centrx | when you do that you should just uncomment the line, update, and install only the specific packages you want, while keeping in mind that it might want to upgrade you to a new libc6 or other basic library |
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| 03:02.20 | abrotman | uh no |
| 03:02.21 | centrx | and then comment back and re-update |
| 03:02.24 | centrx | get in get out |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | don't do that |
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| 03:02.45 | man_in_shack | i'm trying to install grub on a laptop hard disk currently plugged in over usb |
| 03:02.45 | perlmonkey | I have not rebooted since doing upgrade |
| 03:02.48 | perlmonkey | should I? |
| 03:02.57 | abrotman | did you update your kernel ? |
| 03:02.58 | man_in_shack | it WILL become hda when it's put into the laptop |
| 03:03.01 | efaistos | did someone manage to get splashy or usplash working ? If i install them gdm is not working anymore :( |
| 03:03.08 | perlmonkey | the kernel was updates yes |
| 03:03.09 | man_in_shack | would uuids be a help here? |
| 03:03.13 | kupesoft | Anyone tried one of those Lenovo X300's with deb? |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you don't have to .. but you likely do want to soon |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 03:03.25 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 03:03.29 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 03:03.42 | kupesoft | !thinkpad |
| 03:03.43 | dpkg | somebody said thinkpad was one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki, or some may also restrict Mini PCI card usage, see http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~mjg59/thinkpad/wireless.html, or <mwavem> |
| 03:03.53 | centrx | if you half upgraded it is conceivable the boot process might fail |
| 03:04.07 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | that's always possible with testing/unstable |
| 03:04.17 | perlmonkey | I will do a dist-upgrade, all or nothing |
| 03:04.55 | perlmonkey | 256kB/s 2m47s |
| 03:05.13 | centrx | and then change your line to just say "lenny" if you don't want a testing machine so it will inch toward being the stable release and not go past it |
| 03:05.23 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 03:07.39 | dclarke | damn .. how do I remount the root fs / as read-write ? |
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| 03:07.47 | dclarke | remount -o rw / |
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| 03:07.49 | dclarke | ? |
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| 03:08.07 | abrotman | man mount |
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| 03:09.02 | abrotman | dclarke: kind of the same :) |
| 03:09.03 | centrx | mount -o ro |
| 03:09.13 | jsubl2 | mount -o rw,remount /dev/sda1 |
| 03:09.25 | dclarke | ah .. thanks |
| 03:09.36 | dclarke | actually its /dev/sda2 but you couldn't guess that |
| 03:09.45 | jsubl2 | :-) |
| 03:09.55 | dclarke | I need to boot in single user mode to then install the kernel modules and then mount /proc etc |
| 03:10.11 | jelly-home | the mount point can be used instead, so mount -o remount,rw / |
| 03:10.18 | jsubl2 | dclarke: are you part of the blastwave.org group |
| 03:10.25 | dclarke | yes |
| 03:10.37 | Nyle | blastwave |
| 03:10.40 | Nyle | haha |
| 03:10.48 | Nyle | what is a blastwave group? |
| 03:10.56 | jsubl2 | dclarke: is for me |
| 03:11.00 | dclarke | originally named because I was in the artillery |
| 03:11.03 | jsubl2 | Nyle: http://blastwave.org |
| 03:11.07 | jelly-home | Nyle: you no have google? |
| 03:11.11 | Nyle | nope |
| 03:11.27 | jsubl2 | dclarke: well i have really appreciated your contribution over the years |
| 03:11.30 | dclarke | we emulate the debian software process and bring it to Solaris users |
| 03:11.30 | jelly-home | dclarke: sure it's okay, different os = no one cares :-) |
| 03:11.47 | Nyle | !blastwave |
| 03:11.49 | dclarke | it has been a damn good thing .. |
| 03:12.07 | Nyle | its the name of an OS? |
| 03:12.15 | Nyle | thats not very professional |
| 03:12.23 | dclarke | with Ian Murdock in Sun now it means a better level of respect for the debian software package process extended into Solaris land |
| 03:12.27 | perlmonkey | Weak references are not implemented in the version of perl at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/CGI/FormBuilder.pm line 15 |
| 03:12.30 | Nyle | sounds like a buncha 15 year olds got together |
| 03:12.40 | dclarke | Nyle : if you say so |
| 03:12.42 | abrotman | yeah .. because Debian sounds so much better |
| 03:12.43 | jsubl2 | dclarke: yeah it will be interesting to see how iam changes things |
| 03:12.48 | jsubl2 | they need change |
| 03:12.55 | jsubl2 | iam/ian |
| 03:12.58 | Nyle | blastwave, man sounds like some video game or something |
| 03:13.08 | dclarke | Nyle :Ian named Debian baded on his girl friends name and his name .. Debra + Ian == debian |
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| 03:13.11 | centrx | your About page sucks, it doesn't say what it IS in the first sentence or maybe even the first four paragraphs |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | dclarke: wife |
| 03:13.20 | Nyle | dclarke: thats actually cool |
| 03:13.21 | abrotman | well .. now wife |
| 03:13.28 | Nyle | dclarke: at least its not 'blastwave' |
| 03:13.29 | Nyle | ff |
| 03:13.32 | Nyle | s |
| 03:13.36 | jelly-home | Nyle: it's only the second oldest repo of open source binary packages for Solaris |
| 03:13.39 | dclarke | okay .. I'll fix the name/doc issue some other day .. no one really cares anyways |
| 03:13.46 | centrx | maybe his name is blast and his wife's name is wave |
| 03:13.46 | dclarke | they just want the softwae to work |
| 03:13.54 | Nyle | jelly-home: I'm not downing on it |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | dclarke: apparently Nyle does .. he's taken personal offense |
| 03:13.59 | jsubl2 | yeah and it is lots better than the original |
| 03:14.08 | perlmonkey | ok my sys is well and truly borked now *sigh* |
| 03:14.19 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you finish the dist-upgrade? |
| 03:14.21 | Nyle | centrx: lol |
| 03:14.24 | dclarke | at the moment I am working with some powerpc gear |
| 03:14.29 | perlmonkey | abrotman: ya |
| 03:14.30 | dclarke | thus .. a whole new world |
| 03:14.35 | Nyle | centrx: that would be something |
| 03:14.38 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you double check ? |
| 03:14.47 | jelly-home | Nyle: who cares? It's not goatse.cx. |
| 03:14.56 | Nyle | who even cares about goatse |
| 03:14.58 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 03:15.03 | Nyle | useless |
| 03:15.07 | Nyle | its all fucking useless |
| 03:15.15 | jelly-home | Nyle: you seem to care about "blastwave" the name |
| 03:15.16 | jsubl2 | if you had to support solaris you would gain lots of appreciation for blastwave |
| 03:15.16 | abrotman | sure .. but blastwave is horrible ? |
| 03:15.21 | Nyle | jelly-home: just makin fun of it |
| 03:15.25 | Nyle | got nothing better to do |
| 03:15.29 | dclarke | thanks for the help .. I'll go back to more quiet and friendly places now .. |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | we could make fun of "nyle" |
| 03:15.35 | Nyle | go for it |
| 03:15.39 | perlmonkey | it's all finished, only 1 program failed |
| 03:15.44 | abrotman | perlmonkey: and that was? |
| 03:15.46 | jelly-home | Nyle: it's akin to makin fun of debian because it's not a real word or somethings |
| 03:15.50 | lindenle | anybody install the ubunutu amarok 2.0 releas in debian? did it work? |
| 03:15.59 | abrotman | lindenle: not recommended or supported |
| 03:16.08 | Nyle | jelly-home: sure make fun of debian too when you got nothing else to do |
| 03:16.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:16.11 | lindenle | abrotman: Can I build it with kde3? |
| 03:16.18 | abrotman | lindenle: i don't use amarok or kde |
| 03:16.34 | jelly-home | Nyle: just saying, you just look foolish |
| 03:16.49 | Nyle | when did I ever give the indication that I cared about that? |
| 03:16.56 | abrotman | lindenle: amarok2 isn't even in debian |
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| 03:17.05 | lindenle | abrotman: I know |
| 03:17.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: i don't think he cares .. look at all the other stuff he says |
| 03:17.14 | lindenle | abrotman: hence the need to build it... |
| 03:17.15 | perlmonkey | abrotman: amule |
| 03:17.19 | abrotman | lindenle: okay .. so you probably ought to ask #kde or #amarok ? |
| 03:17.27 | lindenle | abrotman: good point... |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | perlmonkey: doesn't sound important .. |
| 03:17.54 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you restart the system (don't do it yet if you haven't) |
| 03:17.54 | perlmonkey | nah just a p2p daemon |
| 03:18.02 | perlmonkey | not yet |
| 03:18.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: eh. Quitting this tangential conversation. |
| 03:18.23 | Nyle | Blastwave is a software service for Solaris x86 and Solaris Sparc users |
| 03:18.24 | abrotman | !jelly++ |
| 03:18.28 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:18.32 | Nyle | so its not an OS |
| 03:18.45 | Nyle | so it doesn't matter wtf its called |
| 03:18.56 | centrx | right... |
| 03:19.05 | Nyle | someone said it was an OS |
| 03:19.10 | Nyle | i can try to grep the logs if you want |
| 03:19.10 | jelly-home | noone did |
| 03:19.45 | Nyle | 22:11 < jelly-home> dclarke: sure it's okay, different os = no one cares :-) |
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| 03:20.04 | Nyle | since the context was blastwave, I figured it was a diff OS |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | perlmonkey: so nothing works correctly now ? |
| 03:20.13 | jelly-home | Nyle: Yep. You figured wrong. |
| 03:20.36 | Nyle | jelly-home: based on what you said |
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| 03:20.47 | Nyle | it doesn't matter, right wrong w/e |
| 03:20.49 | Nyle | have fun |
| 03:21.23 | jelly-home | if it didn't matter, why did you grep aarrgh |
| 03:21.51 | Nyle | that will remain a mystery ;) |
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| 03:34.31 | WormFood | good morning everyone...does anyone know how I can solve the problem of xchat not connecting to an ssl server in sid? I get an error of "SSL routines:SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure". Based on what I have found on google, it is a problem with openssl, but it seems it is not being fixed or updated in sid. |
| 03:34.36 | BOFH | I want to lock down my ISP. |
| 03:35.17 | Supaplex | take the AOL cd, and microwave it for 30 seconds |
| 03:35.21 | Supaplex | buhuhahaha |
| 03:35.35 | BOFH | WormFood: I'm a MSCE; I only know to tell you to try to reboot or reinstall. |
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| 03:35.54 | BOFH | MCSE |
| 03:35.57 | BOFH | D'oh! |
| 03:36.06 | WormFood | MCSE = Must Consult Someone Experienced |
| 03:36.16 | WormFood | MCSE = Minion of Crappy Software Empire |
| 03:36.29 | BOFH | hahah |
| 03:36.43 | BOFH | Thankfully I am actually BOFH. ;) |
| 03:36.46 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 03:36.46 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 03:37.00 | BOFH | jelly-home: Should I use Squid? |
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| 03:37.25 | abrotman | WormFood: does it have a Suggests that might work fro you ? |
| 03:37.25 | jelly-home | BOFH: I have no idea what your initial request actually means |
| 03:37.34 | WormFood | abrotman, not that I see |
| 03:37.49 | BOFH | jelly-home: I want to make sure that ISP users can't do anything illegal. |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | good luck |
| 03:38.13 | BOFH | Additionally, I want to censor all sites that are not family-friendly. |
| 03:38.13 | abrotman | BOFH: does your ISP use debian ? |
| 03:38.14 | WormFood | BOFH, I suggest scissors...and cut network cable...that will stop them |
| 03:38.21 | BOFH | Yes, we do. |
| 03:38.29 | perlmonkey | is there a command to make debian install all perl libraries |
| 03:38.35 | jelly-home | BOFH: so, you are/own/admin the isp, and want to only allow certain traffic? |
| 03:38.43 | BOFH | WormFood: We still need to give the illusion of service. |
| 03:38.53 | BOFH | Yes, I own the ISP. |
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| 03:39.41 | abrotman | oh wait .. i pay for comcast ... |
| 03:39.50 | jelly-home | !pal abrotman |
| 03:39.57 | WormFood | BOFH, there are apps that work with squid that will do that. I forget the name, but I helped set it up once a few years ago...its name had to do with advertisements and stopping them |
| 03:40.07 | abrotman | it's okay .. i don't do any BT traffic .. so it's all working fine for me |
| 03:41.24 | jelly-home | BOFH: well, squid can help with transparent proxying. Identifying and shutting whatever you deem contrary to your AUP is a hard problem |
| 03:41.36 | BOFH | My business plan: 1) Buy / start ISPs in very Republican precincts 2) Censor all content that is inconsistent with conservative family values 3) Make gop.com the default |
| 03:41.37 | jelly-home | down* |
| 03:41.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:42.10 | amphi | BOFH: haha |
| 03:42.21 | amphi | BOFH: block everything else |
| 03:42.23 | BOFH | These peoply will actually pay more money for a service that limits their bandwidth usage. :) |
| 03:42.26 | jelly-home | that makes some business sense... there might be people willing to buy a clean subset of the intarwebs |
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| 03:42.45 | BOFH | :) |
| 03:43.14 | baloo | Getting a freeciv game started if anybody's interested, check the metaserver. |
| 03:43.23 | jelly-home | have fun doing 2), though |
| 03:43.32 | BOFH | Whitelisting. :) |
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| 03:43.49 | BOFH | I could use Squid or DNS. |
| 03:44.04 | WormFood | dns? how can you stop users from using their hosts file? |
| 03:44.11 | BOFH | WormFood: True. |
| 03:44.18 | BOFH | It might be good enough. |
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| 03:44.44 | WormFood | I'm in china, and some addresses are blocked at the dns level...so I just use opendsn ;) |
| 03:44.51 | BOFH | And block port 53 to alternative DNS. :) |
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| 03:45.17 | WormFood | you better block everything then, because I tunnel out to my home network (in florida) to get around blocks like that |
| 03:45.42 | jelly-home | liek he says, it only needs to be good enough for the common user |
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| 03:59.12 | abrotman | that'll work |
| 04:00.00 | abrotman | apt_: wb |
| 04:00.05 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 04:00.07 | abrotman | apt_: wb |
| 04:00.11 | jelly-home | hi, apt_ |
| 04:00.16 | abrotman | ~wb |
| 04:00.17 | apt | thx |
| 04:00.19 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
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| 04:00.31 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:00.43 | simonrvn | dpkg is configured with both ! and ~ |
| 04:00.59 | jelly-home | apt_: botsnack |
| 04:01.03 | drwahl | here is the flow of things: about 3 months ago, i was running 2.6.22-2 with sound, life was good :) at some point apt-get upgrade and/or dist-upgrade grabbed a new kernel (2.6.22-3), of which i eventually rebooted into, and everything was fine and dandy. last weekend, i move into a new place. now in the new place, i am having some wonky network issues which i believe to be because of something in the newer kernel. the sounds still work |
| 04:01.05 | simonrvn | it's a don patch to infobot |
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| 04:01.19 | abrotman | apt_: hi |
| 04:01.25 | abrotman | argh .. stop completing you PoS |
| 04:01.29 | abrotman | apt hi |
| 04:01.29 | apt | hello, abrotman |
| 04:01.40 | jelly-home | apt_: who owns you |
| 04:01.53 | abrotman | you have to address it as "apt" .. the _ doesn't work |
| 04:01.55 | simonrvn | try just 'apt' |
| 04:02.13 | jelly-home | I won't. That's a bug. |
| 04:02.29 | simonrvn | apt_: who owns you |
| 04:02.33 | simonrvn | apt: who owns you |
| 04:02.33 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 04:02.38 | jelly-home | apt, you suck |
| 04:02.39 | apt | and very well I might add |
| 04:02.48 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:03.25 | simonrvn | i agree though, that is a bug |
| 04:03.25 | abrotman | apt, we missed you |
| 04:03.57 | jelly-home | no botsnack for you, apt |
| 04:04.00 | abrotman | why? it just greps for its name .. it doesn't know it is currently apt_ .. does it ? |
| 04:04.03 | abrotman | apt, botsnack |
| 04:04.03 | apt | thanks, abrotman |
| 04:04.14 | jelly-home | you'll spoil it |
| 04:04.41 | drwahl | so... any other ideas that i should try before i blow my computer up? :) |
| 04:04.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: it should know its name, it's got code for it. it might have 2 instances here for some odd reason |
| 04:04.52 | abrotman | apt doesn't get used nearly as much as when i first started coming here |
| 04:04.55 | simonrvn | drwahl: drop kicking works :P |
| 04:05.15 | simonrvn | abrotman: i know... something happened, and we just kinda started using dpkg |
| 04:05.26 | abrotman | of course .. there were all kinds of nice folks around then .. now we're stuck with simonrvn |
| 04:05.30 | jelly-home | dpkg doesn't suck |
| 04:05.32 | simonrvn | i don't even remember what happened, apt was gone for a long time... |
| 04:05.35 | drwahl | simonrvn: im' not so sure about that, its a full tower with 3 HDs in there. that might kinda hurt :) |
| 04:06.01 | abrotman | simonrvn: it was when apt was really unstable .. he would join/part ... disappear for a day, etc |
| 04:06.18 | simonrvn | abrotman: oh yeh... |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: no .. apt used to be the bot-of-record |
| 04:06.34 | abrotman | which is why apt knows all the outdated stuff |
| 04:06.38 | abrotman | ~set up x |
| 04:06.39 | apt | methinks set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults ... |
| 04:06.39 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome> or <install kde>. If you are running sarge, ask me about <install xf4>, or to reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 04:06.42 | abrotman | like that :) |
| 04:06.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, you suck |
| 04:06.47 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 04:06.50 | jelly-home | see? |
| 04:06.53 | jelly-home | er... |
| 04:06.56 | abrotman | why is dpkg responding to both ? |
| 04:06.58 | simonrvn | drwahl: ok, so just dropping it :P. |
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| 04:07.21 | simonrvn | my brain is kinda fried atm.. need food |
| 04:07.28 | abrotman | I HAD MEAT! |
| 04:07.35 | simonrvn | another 11m48s to go |
| 04:07.39 | abrotman | i had the three main food groups! .. pig/cow/chicken |
| 04:08.05 | simonrvn | heartburn city eh |
| 04:08.10 | abrotman | no way! |
| 04:08.10 | Hwin | meatcake? |
| 04:08.25 | abrotman | no .. i had wings and a bacon cheeseburger :) |
| 04:08.38 | drwahl | very odd... when i try "dpkg-reconfigure alsa" it get "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsa is not installed", but when i try apt-get install alsa, i get "alsa-base is already the newest version" |
| 04:08.45 | drwahl | might that be the root of my issue? |
| 04:08.57 | abrotman | not enough bacon ? |
| 04:09.01 | simonrvn | try dpkgr alsa-base |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | drwahl: alsa isn't a package |
| 04:09.10 | simonrvn | dpkg-r even |
| 04:09.10 | abrotman | !info alsa etch |
| 04:09.13 | abrotman | is it ? |
| 04:09.21 | simonrvn | hmmz |
| 04:09.22 | drwahl | abrotman: you're a smart one :) |
| 04:09.23 | drwahl | lol |
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| 04:09.38 | abrotman | drwahl: can you get me a raise? :) |
| 04:09.44 | drwahl | lol |
| 04:10.22 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:10.26 | simonrvn | yayz |
| 04:10.29 | drwahl | gah, that didnt fix anything :( |
| 04:10.39 | dclarke | I need to ask a fairly simple question .. but the desired result eludes me .. how does one stop Debina from attempting to boot the graphical login ? I simply want text on one console and the serial console only .. modify /etc/inittab ? or something else ? |
| 04:10.52 | drwahl | lol, Debina? |
| 04:10.56 | drwahl | she sounds hot |
| 04:11.08 | dclarke | debian |
| 04:11.14 | dclarke | dyslexic keyboard |
| 04:11.16 | drwahl | i like debina better :) |
| 04:11.18 | dclarke | sorry |
| 04:11.32 | jsubl2_ | dclarke: several ways to get there. apt-get remove kdm/gdm pick one |
| 04:11.37 | simonrvn | dclarke: like i said earlier in #debianppc, debian doesn't do the gui login stuff with runlevels |
| 04:11.44 | abrotman | drwahl: did you install gdm? kdm? xdm? |
| 04:11.48 | drwahl | ? |
| 04:11.56 | abrotman | don't ? me! |
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| 04:12.11 | drwahl | lol |
| 04:12.44 | dclarke | however .. I can not determine why I can not login to the unit .. it boots to single user mode fine but then seems to get stuck after crond loads .. it is very odd |
| 04:13.00 | simonrvn | syslog not giving clues? |
| 04:13.10 | simonrvn | enable bootlogd |
| 04:13.19 | abrotman | drwahl: oh .. sorry .. misfire |
| 04:13.24 | dclarke | well .. I'd have to go through the process again . .reset .. reboot .. then check syslog I guess |
| 04:13.42 | dclarke | I was hoping to just adjust inittab .. as I recall needing that in the past |
| 04:13.55 | simonrvn | that's a redhatism ;) |
| 04:14.02 | dclarke | ahhh |
| 04:14.05 | dclarke | k |
| 04:14.23 | dclarke | bad habits from evil places .. |
| 04:14.29 | abrotman | dclarke: you can do it if you want ... |
| 04:14.54 | jsubl2_ | dclarke: you could move /etc/init.d/kdm to a safe place or gdm |
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| 04:15.06 | wols_ | dclarke: what is started at the same time as crond and what is started directly afterwards? |
| 04:15.09 | dclarke | no .. I'll just keep plundering forwards .. doing okay after four installs over and over |
| 04:15.10 | drwahl | well, i'm not sure what i did exactly, but after another reboot, all is fine in drwahl's world |
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| 04:15.33 | abrotman | dclarke: uh .. just make rc2 and rc3 different |
| 04:15.48 | simonrvn | dclarke: do what wols_ said, that's a good idea |
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| 04:16.28 | dclarke | simonrvn : eh ? |
| 04:16.38 | man_in_shack | yay |
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| 04:17.10 | man_in_shack | now i need to build an initrd |
| 04:17.15 | man_in_shack | with the right modules |
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| 04:18.54 | dclarke | simonrvn : that will chip easily and perhaps slip on bone .. use a gerber instead .. far better steel |
| 04:19.07 | abrotman | he meant the handle ? |
| 04:19.27 | dclarke | perhaps .. |
| 04:19.48 | simonrvn | i meant the blade =;) |
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| 04:20.14 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:20.44 | simonrvn | i.e., sharp as hell ;) |
| 04:20.59 | dclarke | but brittle .. |
| 04:21.02 | dclarke | very very brittle |
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| 04:21.16 | dclarke | use 4140 high carbon steels |
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| 04:21.52 | abrotman | i use a sharpened rubber band |
| 04:22.19 | dclarke | I simply call the Spanish Inquisition and the deadly comfy chair |
| 04:23.21 | phorce1 | when a module you want to remove has a "1" in the used-by column but has nothing listed after it, is there a way to find out what's using it so it can be removed with rmmod? |
| 04:23.47 | man_in_shack | is there a way to create an initrd that stores all the ide and filesystem modules? |
| 04:24.00 | abrotman | phorce1: lsmod | grep <module> |
| 04:24.58 | phorce1 | abrotman: correct. And that shows the module is being used by "1" something. But it has no text after the "1" to show WHAT is using it. |
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| 04:26.08 | abrotman | phorce1: modprobe -r <module> ? |
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| 04:26.34 | phorce1 | abrotman: This isn't the one I need to be able to start/kill/start/kill/sta.... but it's an example of what I'm seeing:(this is a single line from an lsmod output -- it is the WHOLE output line) amd64_agp 12420 1 |
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| 04:27.30 | chotchki | hey guys, im trying to install lenny's dbmail but i keep getting the following error "dpkg: error processing dbmail (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 04:27.42 | phorce1 | abrotman: If I were to try to rmmod amd64_agp it would report back that the module is in use, but not WHAT is using it so that I can remove that first |
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| 04:27.46 | chotchki | has anyone worked with dbmail before? |
| 04:27.48 | abrotman | phorce1: modprobe -r |
| 04:28.09 | abrotman | phorce1: and whichever module it is .. actually matters |
| 04:28.13 | simonrvn | chotchki: that's a package problem |
| 04:28.59 | chotchki | simonrvn: where would i look to further track down the problem? |
| 04:29.05 | abrotman | !bts |
| 04:29.05 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 04:29.11 | phorce1 | abrotman: OK -- I'll try that in a bit after I load the DVB-S modules back up. It's the cx8800 module that says it's being used and won't rmmod even after I've manually rmmod-ed everything else I can think of |
| 04:29.27 | abrotman | phorce1: MODPROBE -R |
| 04:29.39 | simonrvn | chotchki: you need to give more info, to figure that out (and use a pastebin) |
| 04:30.07 | phorce1 | I'm waiting for the developer that I'm working with to ping me back about what kind of logs he wants to see during a test load before I load the modules back up. |
| 04:30.24 | phorce1 | abrotman: modprobe -r ---- got it |
| 04:30.36 | chotchki | simonrvn: i guess what im asking is how do i do that? |
| 04:30.40 | abrotman | isn't cx8880 for sound ? |
| 04:30.42 | simonrvn | the device is using it i bet |
| 04:31.01 | simonrvn | chotchki: pastebin the output from the install |
| 04:31.09 | abrotman | i'm sure it is |
| 04:31.21 | phorce1 | abrotman: cx8800 is for a whole family of DVB (and other, I supose) multimedia cards. |
| 04:31.37 | abrotman | phorce1: as simonrvn pointed out .. the device is likely using it |
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| 04:31.58 | simonrvn | storm's bad here... the settlers here are closing highways |
| 04:32.12 | phorce1 | abrotman: that's what I'm afraid of. That means a rebot with it blacklisted every time I want to unload the modules. |
| 04:32.14 | abrotman | settlers .. ehhe |
| 04:32.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: foreigners? :) |
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| 04:32.36 | smacnay | simonrvn, where are you? |
| 04:32.41 | simonrvn | abrotman: "non-Native" |
| 04:32.44 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 04:32.45 | abrotman | phorce1: well .. don't you think you'd always want them blacklisted ? |
| 04:32.48 | simonrvn | smacnay: montreal |
| 04:32.58 | phorce1 | abrotman: settlers == anyone who has been tere less time than you |
| 04:33.10 | smacnay | simonrvn, yes, I hear you will be getting some good stuff for a while. |
| 04:33.30 | simonrvn | smacnay: it's still going hehe ;) |
| 04:33.31 | chotchki | simonrvn: this is the output i get for an apt-get install of dbmail |
| 04:33.33 | abrotman | phorce1: uh ... |
| 04:33.40 | chotchki | http://paste.debian.net/50757 |
| 04:34.20 | phorce1 | abrotman: I do leave it blacklisted. But I'm trying to help one of the v4l developers get the card working since I own one and that means the module has to be removed and reloaded frequently as he makes changes. |
| 04:34.26 | chotchki | is there a way to make it more verbose? |
| 04:35.24 | simonrvn | chotchki: ok, do this instead: dpkg --configure dbmail |
| 04:35.43 | phorce1 | abrotman: It's installed in my desktop machine so I have to shut everything down to reboot every time. |
| 04:35.46 | abrotman | phorce1: that's what you get for being a tester! |
| 04:36.04 | abrotman | phorce1: you might be able to shut down the application that's using it |
| 04:36.06 | phorce1 | abrotman: ;-) |
| 04:36.29 | chotchki | no different output http://paste.debian.net/50758 |
| 04:36.42 | abrotman | you might be able to use fuser or lsof to see what's accessing the /dev/<device> that the driver creates |
| 04:36.50 | phorce1 | abrotman: no apps started. If I un-blacklist it and let it load at boot it cannot be removed. |
| 04:37.06 | abrotman | you think none are started ... |
| 04:37.23 | phorce1 | abrotman: Ahh, lsof might help. I'm a mail server geek, not a programmer. |
| 04:37.34 | amphi | heh |
| 04:38.03 | simonrvn | chotchki: do: sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbmail.postinst configure ; and paste that stuff. thanks |
| 04:38.40 | phorce1 | hidef sat TV is what, 24mb/sec -- cool |
| 04:38.51 | simonrvn | well some modules get locked into kernel memory once loaded |
| 04:39.05 | simonrvn | e.g. ipv6 |
| 04:39.45 | chotchki | would apt barf on circular dependencies? dbmail and dbmail-mysql both depend on each other |
| 04:40.28 | internat85 | it shouldnt |
| 04:40.36 | holycow | phorce1: neat. what do you think of things like zimbra or citadel? |
| 04:40.36 | internat85 | it should deal with that |
| 04:40.41 | chotchki | output added http://paste.debian.net/50759 |
| 04:40.47 | enouf | phorce1: you could look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep |
| 04:40.59 | internat85 | cuase it will makr one as being installed, get its depenancies, see what else it needs and it will already be on the list |
| 04:41.02 | enouf | phorce1: and man modules.dep |
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| 04:43.13 | chotchki | hmm either way this smells of someone's bug... the question is... should i report this to debian or to dbmail? |
| 04:44.48 | enouf | amd64_agp depends on agpgart |
| 04:44.53 | simonrvn | chotchki: it's a package, debian's BTS |
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| 04:45.34 | chotchki | okay, thanks for your help simonrvn! |
| 04:45.57 | simonrvn | chotchki: good luck |
| 04:46.07 | grendal_prime | hey..i can never remember this..how do i enable spell check in openoffice again? |
| 04:46.10 | phorce1 | holycow: Ahh --- postfix/courier/spamassassin here |
| 04:46.14 | grendal_prime | i have to install aspell right? |
| 04:46.40 | grendal_prime | and then ..point openoffice at it..i thats the part i seem to be having problems with |
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| 04:47.01 | holycow | phorce1: ah |
| 04:47.04 | holycow | cool |
| 04:48.21 | phorce1 | holycow: small ISP mail server. About 10K accounts. Wish I had free access to whatever gmail does for spam though. |
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| 04:48.46 | holycow | phorce1: indeed |
| 04:48.48 | enouf | !boo |
| 04:48.53 | holycow | we just got a barracuda |
| 04:49.01 | holycow | its not quite googles solution tho |
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| 04:50.47 | phorce1 | I can't explain to the customers that it's their own da** fault if they get any spam at all. I have 7 year old addresses that see daily use and have never gotten a spam. |
| 04:51.14 | holycow | i have one address that is fairly obscure on a domain that is not known at all |
| 04:51.22 | holycow | i get some spam daily |
| 04:51.27 | holycow | actually good amount after it being up after a year |
| 04:51.31 | holycow | i never signed up for anything |
| 04:51.43 | holycow | all i did was send email to some friends and a few real people |
| 04:51.51 | phorce1 | All of my addresses that are clear are on the same domain/servers as the customers who get hundreds daily. |
| 04:51.59 | holycow | i think a lot of windows users have malware mining their address/inboxes |
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| 04:52.14 | holycow | this surprised me |
| 04:52.23 | holycow | up to about 2 years ago with all my emails i got zero email |
| 04:52.24 | phorce1 | holycow: That's a big part of it |
| 04:52.28 | blairsooley | anyone here use smoothwall firewall? |
| 04:52.39 | holycow | i thin the botnest are not just used as mail sives they are also mining inboxes |
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| 04:53.16 | holycow | goddamned microsoft windows users |
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| 04:53.20 | holycow | thats who i blame |
| 04:53.47 | phorce1 | my addresses are mostly obscured with punctuation to avoid dictionary attacks too. I have a customer with the email address of "ann@example.tld" who wanted to know why she started getting spam before ever using her address. |
| 04:53.51 | icedtea | why are ms window users to blame or are you just kidding around? |
| 04:54.19 | holycow | i'm not kidding at all |
| 04:54.28 | holycow | its 100% windows users fault |
| 04:54.57 | holycow | they run as root, they get infested with malware, they get owned used as proxies and their inboxes mined |
| 04:55.24 | holycow | and of course |
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| 04:55.41 | pinto3 | i think that should be more the job of a network administrator in an isp or something |
| 04:55.50 | pinto3 | to periodically monitor traffic and scan its hosts |
| 04:55.54 | phorce1 | icedtea: see our conversation above about completely unused email addresses getting spam after sending a message to a Windows using friend. Addresses that are never used on websites or for any other purpose. |
| 04:55.57 | holycow | there is no way anyone could of gotten my email address outside of the few windows users i emailed with |
| 04:56.10 | holycow | pinto3: i disagree |
| 04:56.15 | holycow | my computer is my own |
| 04:56.19 | holycow | however |
| 04:56.25 | holycow | telus here does that already and has been for years |
| 04:56.34 | holycow | they call people when they notice traffic from a particular host |
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| 04:57.24 | phorce1 | pinto3: I *can* stop ALL spam from reaching my customer's mailboxes. They'll start losing about 50% of their legitimate email in the process. You want me to start scanning your email? |
| 04:57.28 | icedtea | holycow: a large part of the problem has little to do with the way windows is designed but they way people use computers |
| 04:57.48 | holycow | icedtea: did you read what i wrote? |
| 04:57.51 | holycow | scroll back |
| 04:58.00 | pinto3 | not really, but an option there might be to hand out a pamphlet on spamming filters and what they are/how to control them |
| 04:58.06 | abrotman | phorce1: crm114 ? |
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| 04:58.18 | pinto3 | but for things like proxy's is what i was concerned about |
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| 04:58.35 | holycow | proxies are all blocked at that level |
| 04:58.41 | holycow | port 25 and a whole bunch of other things are blocked |
| 04:59.12 | holycow | how they do it i don't know, i guess they must be getting outlook express to send the stuff out ... i see a lot of outlook express in headers here |
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| 04:59.59 | phorce1 | abrotman: I have a test spamassassin set up that stops 100% of spam from reaching a mailbox that I purposefully infected via web posts etc. Of course it's totally random that I can get a valid email to get delivered as well. |
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| 05:01.35 | abrotman | phorce1: i've not noticed that at my office .. but okay |
| 05:02.36 | phorce1 | abrotman: crm114 would probably bring my scanning server to it's knees with our volume. I'd have to add servers and my customer base is not large enough to warrant that. |
| 05:03.00 | icedtea | mining of your personal data has nothing to do with running as root and these same users would just run as root on a linux box or install the malware with elevated permissions |
| 05:03.17 | abrotman | phorce1: you could front-end it? |
| 05:03.41 | vvd | email is for spam lovers |
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| 05:03.55 | phorce1 | abrotman: That's how I'm running now. SA on one machine feeding the "pass" mail to the actual mail server. |
| 05:04.06 | holycow | you just have sa? |
| 05:04.06 | abrotman | oh ok ... |
| 05:05.11 | phorce1 | holycow: SA/Amavis/Postfix using a couple of fairly tame DNSBLs to stop a bit at the envelope level. |
| 05:05.27 | holycow | phorce1: ah thoughts so |
| 05:05.28 | holycow | *nod* |
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| 05:06.37 | phorce1 | holycow: It gets hit with around 700,000 emails/day and passes under 100,000 to the real server. |
| 05:06.54 | holycow | wow |
| 05:07.07 | holycow | do you mind me asking what kind of box? dual with quad cores maybe? |
| 05:07.34 | phorce1 | I move the MX IP every once in a while to lose the direct hitters. |
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| 05:08.16 | holycow | phorce1: i get the feeling that one day we are going to move to some sort of trusted certificate peer network for email |
| 05:08.23 | holycow | otherwise it will fail soonish |
| 05:08.45 | holycow | you will haveto purchase the right to send email |
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| 05:10.45 | phorce1 | holycow: dual core P4 3.2 with 2G of Ram |
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| 05:11.01 | holycow | thats not bad at all |
| 05:11.28 | tuv | dual core P4?! |
| 05:11.31 | holycow | amavis can be particularly poorly behaved sometimes |
| 05:11.48 | phorce1 | Amavis sucks |
| 05:11.55 | phorce1 | but does the job |
| 05:12.56 | tuv | P4 w/ HT maybe? |
| 05:13.29 | Supaplex | and extra cheese! |
| 05:14.23 | phorce1 | tuv: Sigh, dual P4 3.2 chips. Getting too much in the habit of using the words "dual core" now that quad-core is up and coming |
| 05:14.43 | holycow | lol speaking of quad core |
| 05:14.54 | holycow | i tried to build a system using some decent quads on amd or intel |
| 05:15.02 | holycow | frickin no one has any stock whatsoever |
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| 05:15.14 | holycow | and amd is having a hard time fabricating i now hear |
| 05:15.45 | tuv | phorce1, what motherboard, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 05:15.49 | phorce1 | One of my employees is looking at building a quad-core toy and is leaning toward Intel because of the AMD woes. |
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| 05:17.13 | holycow | i fricking hate intel ven though i've had to standardize on them for their open support on their chipsets, vid and nics |
| 05:17.21 | phorce1 | tuv: Not a clue. They are Dell PowerEdge 700 servers that the previous owner leased a few years ago. Freakin Dell still hasn't devalued them anough for me to get out of the lease easily. |
| 05:17.24 | holycow | but i keep on reading about amd performance |
| 05:17.41 | holycow | i cannot for the life of me how to dual cores stuck together on an intel can perform better than 4 true quads on an amd |
| 05:18.26 | holycow | i keep on thinking the software must be engineered with some flaws, meaning that just maybe we are still seeing the vestiges of single core engineering |
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| 05:20.08 | tuv | phorce1, i saw a dell with dual xean dual core sockets (2 sockets, each can handle a dual core). it had 1 cpu installed with a giant heatsink. looked pretty nice |
| 05:20.23 | tuv | s/xean/xeon |
| 05:20.46 | tuv | lots of memory slots too |
| 05:21.17 | holycow | tuv, for quads you really haveto go with tyan mobos |
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| 05:21.40 | holycow | they specialize in server motherboards (thats all they do now) and have those kinds of industrial designs |
| 05:22.10 | tuv | supermicro used to make some good dual processor boards. they're into mount racks now i guess, so not sure if they still make any of those |
| 05:22.58 | phorce1 | I remember drooling over a Tyan MB at a trade show when Opterons first came out. $ sockets that would each hold a dual-core Opteron and up to 24G of RAM |
| 05:23.10 | holycow | yeah, i love their rack cases |
| 05:23.11 | GuilhermeBrant | I keep getting the following msg : http://rafb.net/p/43SRiU11.html while in the terminal.It's accompanied by a computer beep,and it's very annoying.Does some1 knows how to fix it? |
| 05:23.18 | holycow | just beautiful and logically laid out |
| 05:23.40 | phorce1 | tuv: They still do. With nice cases built around the board. Hotswap SATA and all. |
| 05:23.44 | raju | how to convert the flv file to mpeg |
| 05:24.09 | raju | through ffmpeg i converted but the sound is not coming |
| 05:24.32 | phorce1 | s/$ sockets/4 sockets |
| 05:25.07 | tuv | phorce1, i got a supermicro board some time ago with dual p3 sockets, and had to get a HUGE supermicro case to fit it. really tall. if i did yoga i probably could fit myself in |
| 05:25.20 | phorce1 | GuilhermeBrant: Bigger fans? |
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| 05:25.45 | tuv | raju, try mencoder and #mplayer |
| 05:25.56 | Supaplex | Nyle: yo, check out Sec. 327. Limitation on interrogation techniques. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2082#change-724 |
| 05:26.09 | GuilhermeBrant | phorce1 i don't really know that.but isn't there anyway I could stop those messages to be appearing on the terminal? |
| 05:26.39 | GuilhermeBrant | I'm testing some scripts here,and it's very annoying everytime it fulls the screen with these messages |
| 05:26.52 | Supaplex | GuilhermeBrant: sudo setterm -msglevel 1 |
| 05:27.44 | raju | tuv, i think ffmpeg will also work but i am missing some option for sound related |
| 05:27.57 | Supaplex | GuilhermeBrant: that's only a bandaid tho. if your hardware is warning about about potential damage, it's on your head. |
| 05:29.37 | GuilhermeBrant | Supaplex ok.I'll check what it might be later.Could it be dirty in the fans? .Also the command didn't stop the msgs |
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| 05:32.03 | dclarke | after reading and reading I just don't see an easy way to set the system console to be a serial port at 9600 n 8 1 |
| 05:32.21 | dclarke | editing /etc/securetty and /etc/inittab have not helped too much |
| 05:32.30 | holycow | that reminds me |
| 05:33.11 | holycow | i have found svga to us converters out there. can i get access to the vga output on a box via x someway? maybe xnest? |
| 05:33.17 | holycow | dclarke: i don't know, thats beyond me |
| 05:33.22 | Supaplex | GuilhermeBrant: I had a machine with non oem heatsinks that claimed to support the cpu I was using. turns out, it wasn't keeping it as cool as the oem heatsink. I had messages like that persisting until i had the right heatsink on. |
| 05:33.40 | dclarke | np .. I'll figure it out |
| 05:33.54 | holycow | sheh |
| 05:33.58 | holycow | -s even |
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| 05:34.31 | GuilhermeBrant | Supaplex: hmmm...i'ts been like 4 years I have this computer |
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| 05:34.59 | Supaplex | GuilhermeBrant: and how long with this problem? |
| 05:36.05 | phorce1 | GuilhermeBrant: Pull the heatsing, clean it with solvent and air, put on fresh thermal paste. We do that every 2 years here in the office on machines that aren't in a clean room. |
| 05:36.27 | GuilhermeBrant | Supaplex : Well.I have always used windows.From august till the begining of this year I used windows and ubuntu.When I installed Debian I started getting it from the terminal |
| 05:36.47 | GuilhermeBrant | phorce1: Hmm...I'll try it tomorrow...thanks |
| 05:37.13 | phorce1 | GuilhermeBrant: also, reboot and go into the bios and see aht it says about your actual operating temp. |
| 05:37.38 | GuilhermeBrant | ok |
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| 05:37.48 | phorce1 | GuilhermeBrant: And get GOOD thermal paste like Arctic Silver. |
| 05:39.20 | Supaplex | don't skimp a buck or two on the paste :) |
| 05:39.43 | holycow | a lot of it comes from china |
| 05:39.44 | holycow | lol |
| 05:39.52 | holycow | it's probably toothpaste |
| 05:39.52 | holycow | hehe |
| 05:40.11 | phorce1 | I've seen OEM heatsinks cause overheat out of the box when people leave that pink bubblegum crap on them or use the cheap white stuff. |
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| 05:42.15 | centrx | GuilhermeBrant, you could also try cleaning; my heatsink was caked in dust/dirt; cleaning it fixed some freezing I had |
| 05:42.35 | dclarke | everything seems to be working |
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| 05:42.46 | dclarke | and I have my serial console |
| 05:43.03 | dclarke | now then .. how do I update the linux kernel in this little PowerPC box ? |
| 05:43.18 | phorce1 | dclarke: I like my sparcs -- unplug the monitor, turn on the machine, you've got serial console. |
| 05:43.37 | dclarke | phorce1: yes .. I have a pile of Sparc boxs here |
| 05:43.41 | Supaplex | dclarke: uh, it's running etch, isn't it? |
| 05:43.46 | dclarke | so I can relate to that |
| 05:43.53 | dclarke | Supaplex : yes |
| 05:43.58 | Supaplex | ahh. space heaters with crippled bogomips. |
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| 05:44.09 | dclarke | Linux vesta 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 05:44.21 | benji_gregory | hey people |
| 05:44.21 | dclarke | that kernel is not exactly .. standard |
| 05:44.32 | Supaplex | !tell dclarke -about search |
| 05:44.45 | Supaplex | aptitude install a normal one then |
| 05:45.20 | dclarke | thank you .. I guess I just sort of hope for the best in terms of device functionality then eh ? |
| 05:45.50 | dclarke | phorce1 : I think that the V890 solved that problem |
| 05:46.02 | Supaplex | dclarke: have a reliable boot loader? know how to use it in a sticky situation? have a backup boot plan? |
| 05:46.16 | dclarke | Supaplex: I would use yaboot |
| 05:46.36 | dclarke | Supaplex: and at this point I think that I can reinstall from scratch in four or five hours anyways |
| 05:46.47 | dclarke | maybe two hours |
| 05:46.53 | Supaplex | !tell dclarke -about rescue |
| 05:46.55 | phorce1 | dclarke: I'm not about to pay full price for a "modern" Sun. Ouch. I got a quad CPU e450 for $200. Now it's a printer stand. |
| 05:47.02 | Supaplex | dun waste time reinstall :) |
| 05:48.07 | phorce1 | Supaplex: this is the first winter I've actually had to use a heater in my office. I shut the sparcs down over the summer. |
| 05:49.41 | phorce1 | Supaplex: I bought the business and started having to pay the electric bill for them. Suddenly they weren't as interesting to play with. |
| 05:50.19 | Supaplex | hehheh |
| 05:51.00 | Supaplex | my geode has a lota bang for the buck in that dept. |
| 05:52.17 | phorce1 | I had 5 Ultra1's and an Ulra2 clone all running on my desk through a KVM. |
| 05:52.48 | holycow | Supaplex: those geode thingies are more powerfullthan they seem ... their gfx aren't too shaby at all |
| 05:52.54 | holycow | newer ones anwyay |
| 05:53.27 | phorce1 | X running a 160Mhz Ultra1 with a Creator3D surprised me. |
| 05:53.34 | holycow | heh |
| 05:53.35 | holycow | neato |
| 05:54.19 | Supaplex | http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html |
| 05:54.36 | Supaplex | the SoC has no heatsink |
| 05:55.06 | phorce1 | The UltraSparc architecture is just SO much more streamlined than anything x86. Gigahertz clock speeds aren't necessary. |
| 05:55.13 | Supaplex | the 175va ups or whatever, kept this puppy online for 2h+ durring the last power outage. |
| 05:57.04 | phorce1 | I got a deal on some Telco batteries. 92ah. Hooked one up to a little Energizer brand 650Va UPS and kept two x86 boxes going for an entire 3 hour outage. Watched movies on this desktop machine waiting for power to come back up. |
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| 05:58.42 | Supaplex | awesome :) |
| 05:58.55 | phorce1 | I have 4 of those batteries running an inverter and my 2000+ watts of stereo in my Volkswagen camper. Keeps the music going for over 24 hours at "healthy" volume. |
| 05:59.03 | holycow | phorce1: lol sounds like you have access to some decent stuff |
| 05:59.06 | holycow | so you run your own isp or what? |
| 05:59.50 | Supaplex | back when doom was the big thing to play, we had a microburst hit our city knocking power out all over the place. I over heard some confused neighbors wondering how I was playing video games durring the outage, and this is 1h+ into the outage :P |
| 05:59.58 | phorce1 | holycow: yes. Dialup access in the US. The "toys" are usually personal finds though. |
| 06:00.08 | holycow | oh hey, thats really cool |
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| 06:00.27 | Supaplex | phorce1: cool. how many dialups do you have? |
| 06:00.30 | holycow | we have offices in timbuktu and other nether regions of canada ... lol, dialup is still familiar to us |
| 06:00.52 | holycow | Supaplex: hehehe :) |
| 06:01.12 | holycow | didn't those boxes back then consume the same amount of power as today? |
| 06:01.12 | Supaplex | holycow: I think it was the plasma cannon that confused them. |
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| 06:01.16 | holycow | you had it running for an hour? |
| 06:01.43 | Supaplex | 1500kva ups, 4 12v7ah batteries, one desktop, monitor, and stereo |
| 06:01.44 | holycow | oh wait i gotta reread, your confuzzling me now |
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| 06:01.52 | holycow | ohhhhhhhh |
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| 06:01.59 | holycow | l33t especially for those days |
| 06:02.12 | Supaplex | 1994ish |
| 06:02.20 | phorce1 | Supaplex: My employee has the same UPS/battery hooked to his TV/entertainment center. The power company was dong some work on their block one day -- 2+ hours. A few days later his power went out again and they were at his meter taking it apart to see if he was stealing power from somewhere else. He was PI**ED off. |
| 06:02.54 | WormFood | how in the hell do I get openssl to work? I can't get rid of "SSL3_READ_BYTES:sslv3 alert handshake failure" |
| 06:03.10 | dererk | WormFood, In the context of ... ? |
| 06:03.11 | Supaplex | WormFood: ECONTEXT. openssl powers a lot of stuff |
| 06:03.22 | WormFood | stunnel and xchat are broken with it |
| 06:03.35 | phorce1 | Supaplex: I have about 5000 customers. Acess to 18,000+ dialup access numbers nationwide and in Hawaii, Alaska and Puerto Rico (and some in Canada I think) |
| 06:03.57 | WormFood | in server or client mode? |
| 06:04.11 | dererk | Is there any other structure :) |
| 06:04.17 | holycow | holy canoly |
| 06:04.21 | holycow | your doing really good :) |
| 06:04.23 | Supaplex | phorce1: coolio. how do you manage all those accounts? eg, billing etc |
| 06:04.24 | holycow | nice work phorce1 |
| 06:04.34 | holycow | how long have you been doing it? |
| 06:04.41 | WormFood | it was working a month ago |
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| 06:04.49 | phorce1 | Supaplex: All in house. All Debian servers and free software. |
| 06:04.52 | holycow | its funny how dialup is now a niche that is probably perfect fopr smaller operators to offer service in |
| 06:04.56 | WormFood | I purged openssl, and reinstalled it, but of course it still don't work |
| 06:04.58 | dererk | WormFood, give more information |
| 06:05.08 | holycow | phorce1: i want to signup just on the basis that you use all open source :) |
| 06:05.19 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.34 | Supaplex | phorce1: you should check out freeside.biz :) |
| 06:05.40 | WormFood | I didn't change anything, I go to connect to my ssl irc server, like always, and now I get that error message |
| 06:05.42 | phorce1 | holycow: A large part of my customer bas is business with multiple locations that simply don't NEED high speed for a nightly inventory upload. |
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| 06:06.14 | Supaplex | WormFood: test it with openssl s_client |
| 06:06.32 | phorce1 | Supaplex: Running freeside for billing. Still moving customers from the legacy system the previous owner was using then I'll automate it a bit more. |
| 06:07.03 | phorce1 | holycow: heh |
| 06:07.14 | Supaplex | phorce1: cool. btw, I'm an account manager with Freeside Internet Services. :) good choice hehehe |
| 06:07.59 | phorce1 | holycow: The business has been in operation for about 8 years. I worked as tech/hardware support for the previous owner for 7 years. I bought it from him last May. |
| 06:08.19 | WormFood | it seems to work with s_client |
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| 06:08.38 | WormFood | SSL handshake has read 926 bytes and written 328 bytes |
| 06:08.50 | WormFood | but stunnel and xchat do not work with it |
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| 06:09.09 | dererk | WormFood, set -D 7 and check if it shows more info |
| 06:09.37 | wakrelmix | i am running a website on a debian etch server with no local mailserver, what is the best/practical way to enable a web contact form to send messages to a google apps gmail acocunt? |
| 06:09.39 | Supaplex | WormFood: openssl s_client would be the stunnel replacement. |
| 06:09.57 | WormFood | I did do it with -D 7, and I get the same error as with x-chat |
| 06:10.37 | WormFood | Supaplex, how is that to replace stunnel? |
| 06:11.06 | WormFood | I just want to use stunnel to get around the problem, but I'd much rather solve the problem than working around it |
| 06:11.35 | phorce1 | Supaplex: I'm still tweaking things in Freeside. Still running 1.5.8. Twitchy about upgrading software that puts $30K+ into my bank account monthly (although I'm not doing as well as it sounds -- probably $28K goes back out in business expenses). |
| 06:11.38 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 06:11.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:12.17 | Supaplex | WormFood: I think i have my tools mixed up. 1m :) |
| 06:12.25 | WormFood | I have much better things to do with my time than fighting with this crap...I just want it to work |
| 06:12.45 | phorce1 | wakrelmix: use php's mail function and point it to an outside smtp server -- carefully. |
| 06:12.48 | Supaplex | phorce1: a lot has improved since 1.5.8. :) |
| 06:12.58 | WormFood | it was working, and after changing nothing in my client or server now it is not working...and I can login to the server and see other people connected, so it isn't a server issue |
| 06:13.18 | phorce1 | Supaplex: I know, I'm on the mailing list. I'm not a Wiki fan though so I miss a lot |
| 06:13.19 | Supaplex | WormFood: some of us use irssi ;-> |
| 06:13.21 | WormFood | thanks Supaplex |
| 06:13.37 | wakrelmix | phorce1: i am trying *really* hard to be PHP free, but thanks |
| 06:13.46 | phorce1 | Supaplex: heh -- I guess that answered your /msg |
| 06:14.02 | Supaplex | yup :) |
| 06:16.01 | Supaplex | WormFood: ahh, like echo -en "GET /\n\n" | openssl s_client -quiet -connect www.geotrust.com:443 |
| 06:16.28 | WormFood | Supaplex, thanks, but that does not help me connect with x-chat |
| 06:16.56 | Supaplex | it's called a workaround. figure out how stunnel does the same, and fix it up. sorry :-/ |
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| 06:26.20 | aalex | ldd still doesn't find some .so files even when I set $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 06:26.38 | aalex | same when i start the executables linking to these |
| 06:27.03 | aalex | "" error while loading shared libraries: libfmodex.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"" |
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| 06:28.41 | CalJohn | Is there any good way to losslessly compress video dvds? |
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| 06:29.08 | Caelum | CalJohn: they are already compressed |
| 06:29.11 | enouf | wtf? |
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| 06:29.45 | simonrvn | fuck, i can't do fuck all interesting with this stupid thing, too damned slow |
| 06:29.50 | enouf | CalJohn: you likely want to transcode or something to make smaller, if that's what you mean |
| 06:29.55 | simonrvn | sorry for the bs language |
| 06:29.58 | CalJohn | Caelum: yeah, i know, but apparently ratdvd is lossless, I'm wondering if there is anything else |
| 06:30.15 | enouf | simonrvn: spank it! and jump into the hottub :-) |
| 06:30.36 | CalJohn | enouf: I'm aware of transcoding |
| 06:30.50 | enouf | congratulations |
| 06:31.55 | CalJohn | enouf: you're very kind |
| 06:32.29 | simonrvn | enouf: i spend more time waiting for it to swap in/out than actually doing anything useful |
| 06:32.41 | simonrvn | frustrating :( |
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| 06:34.21 | Caelum | simonrvn: what thing? |
| 06:34.31 | Caelum | sounds like eclipse |
| 06:34.33 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:34.48 | Nyle | where can I obtain the kde specific debian cd? I can't find a link for it in the installer page |
| 06:34.54 | simonrvn | was trying out worldwind, it's slower than google earth on this damned box |
| 06:35.01 | Nyle | or is it just cd2? |
| 06:35.26 | simonrvn | look in the directory, bottom of the dir listing, shows the xfce and kde images |
| 06:35.53 | simonrvn | cd2 is cd2 |
| 06:36.19 | Nyle | ohh there |
| 06:36.20 | Nyle | ok |
| 06:36.40 | enouf | simonrvn: ugh |
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| 06:36.55 | jugglinx | hi all :) |
| 06:37.52 | Nyle | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html |
| 06:39.09 | Nyle | dpkg kdecd is To use the KDE version of the Debian Installer CD, go to http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html |
| 06:39.09 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 06:40.08 | Nyle | great, links to the cds are boken |
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| 06:40.58 | jugglinx | im gettings probs to get my wireless connection working, it seems that the card is working now, coz i can see the net but i cant get connected... i been reading about madwifi but the how-tos are using apt... |
| 06:41.03 | simonrvn | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/50760 |
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| 06:42.07 | JordiGH | A recent testing package introduced graphical glitches into my 3d accel. Both Nexuiz and Armagetron exhibit this, although Compiz seems fine. I need some help submitting a bug report. |
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| 06:43.10 | JordiGH | I mean, I can submit "it looks wrong", but I'm not even sure which package to blame. Probably one of these: libgl1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg, libgl1-mesa-glx, libgl1-mesa-glx-dbg, libgl1-mesa-swx11, libgl1-mesa-swx11-dbg, libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev, libgl1-mesa-swx11-i686, libglu1-mesa, libglu1-mesa-dev, libglw1-mesa, libglw1-mesa-dev, libosmesa6, libosmesa6-dev, mesa-common-dev, mesa-swx11-source, mesa-utils. |
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| 06:45.16 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:45.37 | Nyle | that seems useless actually, since bpo has 3.5.7 of kde whereas etch has 3.5.5 |
| 06:45.58 | JordiGH | There's too many variables. It could just be my specific video card or it could even be the Intel driver which is buggy. |
| 06:46.03 | enouf | simonrvn: i see you, and raise you; http://paste.debian.net/50761 |
| 06:46.05 | Nyle | I'm trying to go full etch on my entire network, and only one laptop will have sid |
| 06:47.05 | simonrvn | enouf: you actually have more ram on that than i do on this thing :) |
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| 06:47.17 | enouf | simonrvn: just a wee bit though ;-) |
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| 06:48.59 | JordiGH | You guys trying to see how low you can go? |
| 06:50.21 | Supaplex | JordiGH: try the mailing list first to sort it out. |
| 06:50.45 | JordiGH | Supaplux: Which one? d-user? |
| 06:50.53 | Supaplex | sure |
| 06:51.45 | JordiGH | I'm not even subscribed to that one... let's give it a try. |
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| 06:52.07 | Supaplex | oh, use a non-valued email address (spam) |
| 06:52.43 | Supaplex | my debian@foss.daxal.com account gets hammered :P not like I care now (I only use that address for debian stuff) |
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| 06:54.53 | simonrvn | JordiGH: no, it's my current workstation |
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| 07:02.13 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 07:02.32 | JordiGH | Ah, good. I found my bug. It's 470084 |
| 07:02.39 | simonrvn | now we get to see who has a stable pipe ;p |
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| 07:04.09 | JordiGH | Is it good etiquette to send me-toos to bug reports with my own relevant logs? |
| 07:04.25 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: how recent is that update? lemme see if i can get those glitches here as well using nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 07:04.32 | JordiGH | I found my bug. It's #470084 |
| 07:04.36 | Supaplex | JordiGH: sure, if you have more infos |
| 07:04.45 | simonrvn | !dbugs 470084 |
| 07:04.49 | dpkg | #470084:N[mesa] mesa: Graphics corruption in 3d games on Intel 965; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 01:48:01 UTC |
| 07:04.56 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: It's from last week or so. I'm pretty sure it's an Intel bug. |
| 07:05.06 | blubberdiblub | ah, okay |
| 07:05.07 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: I mean, Intel or mesa, one or the other. :-) |
| 07:05.34 | jim | why add a second copy of the same info? remember someone gotta read it :) |
| 07:05.44 | JordiGH | When they say "testing", they really mean it. |
| 07:05.46 | Supaplex | "more" infos |
| 07:05.54 | JordiGH | jim: Well, maybe my log is different... let me check. |
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| 07:06.28 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: well, my mesa is already on 7.0.3rc2 then :) |
| 07:06.30 | Supaplex | if it was my bug, I'd be happy to see someone else say "Same issue here" :) |
| 07:06.45 | jim | JordiGH: if you're "maybe"ing, are you sure you're ready to add to the bug |
| 07:07.04 | jim | oh, well... |
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| 07:07.10 | jim | I guess there is that :) |
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| 07:08.42 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: i don't have graphics corruption in armagetron (tho it's too dark and i can't seem to find a setting to raise gamma), so it might really be related to the intel driver |
| 07:08.42 | cheney | hi. |
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| 07:08.59 | cheney | if i have no income, am i still liable to pay taxes on my mutual funds? |
| 07:09.13 | CalJohn | cheney: heh. funny. |
| 07:09.31 | jim | cheney: get a tax lawyer |
| 07:09.39 | JordiGH | Hm, my glxinfo is almost the same. |
| 07:09.47 | cheney | jim, tax lawyer or accountant? |
| 07:10.20 | Supaplex | if taxes are bad, and lawyers are no better, why have both?!? |
| 07:10.33 | tminos | First, kill all the taxes. |
| 07:10.35 | jim | they don't want to hear me say more |
| 07:10.52 | cheney | i have never filed income tax. |
| 07:10.53 | cheney | never. |
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| 07:11.00 | Supaplex | i was going to ask, doesn't that compound the issue, but i'd rather avoid the pun. :P |
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| 07:11.06 | cheney | i have never had an income. |
| 07:11.08 | blubberdiblub | JordiGH: and sauerbraten seems to display very fine in every regard, so i guess the problem is bound to the intel stuff |
| 07:11.18 | cheney | recently i've trnasplanted some my inheritance into mutual funds. |
| 07:11.22 | ravn | anyone using a TV card that can recommend any specific model? |
| 07:11.27 | cheney | am i really going to have to pay taxes on these things? |
| 07:11.31 | Supaplex | cheney: dun worry about it until you pass puberty ;) |
| 07:11.42 | jim | cheney: I'm not qualified to answer that |
| 07:11.54 | jim | (puberty isn't really valued in the pen) |
| 07:12.45 | JordiGH | blubberdiblub: Alright then. I added stuff to the bug. |
| 07:12.47 | jim | cheney: do you have any debian material to discuss? |
| 07:13.02 | JordiGH | I wonder if there's something besides glxinfo and glxgears -info that could be interesting. |
| 07:13.55 | jim | doom3? |
| 07:14.23 | cheney | does every nation tax investments like this? |
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| 07:14.33 | cheney | no wonder the usa has a negative savings rate. |
| 07:14.44 | JordiGH | wtf does this have to do with Debian? |
| 07:14.46 | JordiGH | !taxes |
| 07:14.47 | Arelis | How do i configure the network settings? i want to switch from DHCP to a static ip address, namely 192.168.1.82 |
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| 07:15.11 | icedtea | Arelis: edit /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 07:15.13 | jim | ok, that would be a "no", so this is my final comment before /ignoring you... GET PROFESSIONAL ADVICE BEFORE YOU LAND IN FEDERAL PRISON. |
| 07:15.15 | JordiGH | Arelis: /etc/network/interfaces is the place to fool around in. Read interfaces(5) |
| 07:15.34 | JordiGH | !tax |
| 07:15.35 | Arelis | icedtea, JordiGH: Thank you. Can you also give me a link to some place where all this information is? |
| 07:15.45 | JordiGH | Arelis: All what information? |
| 07:15.55 | icedtea | Arelis: on the command line type: man interfaces |
| 07:16.01 | Arelis | JordiGH: Information on Debian. A manual. |
| 07:16.03 | icedtea | man is for manual page |
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| 07:16.08 | cheney | i read somewhere that some states allow for dividend income up to $40K/year to go untaxed. |
| 07:16.13 | cheney | are you familiar? |
| 07:16.15 | holycow | cheney: your asking for tax advice on #debian? |
| 07:16.17 | holycow | lol |
| 07:16.28 | holycow | dude get a lwayer and stop talking to strangers who have no clue |
| 07:16.29 | holycow | btw |
| 07:16.31 | holycow | taxes are good |
| 07:16.33 | holycow | i love paying mine |
| 07:16.35 | jim | rob: please don't feed the troll :) |
| 07:16.35 | holycow | but then |
| 07:16.41 | JordiGH | Arelis: Most Debian documentation is in /usr/share/doc, in manpages, or in info pages. Some packages like KDE packages may also provide documentation in a GUI-like fashion. |
| 07:16.46 | holycow | i live in a country where i get things like free medicare |
| 07:16.49 | holycow | jim: hehehe :) |
| 07:16.52 | cheney | if i have no income, what income bracket am i in? |
| 07:16.53 | holycow | sorry righto |
| 07:16.59 | cheney | maybe since i have no income, my tax rate is 0%? |
| 07:17.06 | Arelis | JordiGH: Ah. so it's all right here on my PC? |
| 07:17.11 | JordiGH | Arelis: debian.org also has a lot of documentation of its own related to general Debian management. |
| 07:17.20 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.33 | holycow | k |
| 07:17.41 | icedtea | yeah there was another guy asking for financial advice here not long ago |
| 07:17.45 | JordiGH | Arelis: Most of it, yes. Sometimes you have to install -doc packages (e.g. python-doc) to get some extra documentation. |
| 07:18.01 | cheney | is there a nation which rewards its citizens for investment income by allowing it go untaxed? |
| 07:18.08 | JordiGH | !ops cheney |
| 07:18.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jordigh complains about: cheney |
| 07:18.19 | Arelis | JordiGH: Speaking of Python, is it handy to know in debian? |
| 07:18.32 | JordiGH | Arelis: Python is an essential life skill. ;-) |
| 07:18.43 | jim | that;s what she said... |
| 07:18.46 | Arelis | iface eth0-home inet static |
| 07:18.46 | Arelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.47 | Arelis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.50 | Arelis | is that good? |
| 07:18.59 | JordiGH | Should be enough, I think, yes. |
| 07:19.06 | Arelis | what about the DNS server? |
| 07:19.19 | JordiGH | That's in... /etc/hosts, I think. One of those. |
| 07:19.20 | icedtea | that goes in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 07:19.24 | Arelis | okay |
| 07:19.31 | icedtea | Arelis: man resolv.conf |
| 07:19.31 | jim | or install resolvconf |
| 07:19.38 | Arelis | and now, how do i apply the settings? |
| 07:19.54 | jim | and it'll parse /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:19.54 | JordiGH | Arelis: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 07:24.16 | pinto3 | if musta went down :p |
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| 07:24.31 | icedtea | thats what she said :( |
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| 07:24.54 | internat85 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:24.54 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 07:26.58 | Arelis | it worked (but i had to add a gateway) |
| 07:27.04 | Supaplex | !poke Arelis's network |
| 07:27.14 | Arelis | !poke supaplex (fun game) |
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| 07:27.41 | Supaplex | !supaplex |
| 07:27.41 | dpkg | you are, like, a classic game from the m$dos days featuring 111 levels of insanity. Now it's freeware, and has atleast 11 level seperate sets of (111) levels. a super hero one man support team, or see http://www.elmerproductions.com/sp/dlinst.html |
| 07:27.46 | Supaplex | :) fun indeed |
| 07:28.06 | PythonNinja | i can't get X11 forwarding to work on my new debian etch box, using openssh-server, default config has X11forward on. it says DISPLAY is not set |
| 07:28.18 | Supaplex | PythonNinja: try ssh -v |
| 07:28.32 | PythonNinja | on which machine? the server or client? |
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| 07:28.52 | Supaplex | client. ssh -vX desthost |
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| 07:29.16 | Supaplex | dpkg: eat /usr/bin/xauth |
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| 07:29.42 | cheney | hi friends |
| 07:29.55 | cheney | is there a nation which rewards its citizens for investment income by allowing it to go untaxed? |
| 07:30.11 | Supaplex | nevada? ;) |
| 07:30.15 | PythonNinja | Supaplex: it says that it requeted X11 forwarding, then sending environment, and that's the last debug line |
| 07:30.47 | Supaplex | PythonNinja: is xauth on the dest? |
| 07:30.47 | Arelis | !pacman |
| 07:30.47 | dpkg | it has been said that pacman is package controller. |
| 07:30.58 | Arelis | !Arelis |
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| 07:32.18 | cheney | Supaplex, is there a nation which rewards its citizens for investment income by allowing it to go untaxed? |
| 07:32.51 | Supaplex | NFC |
| 07:33.03 | jim | !mspacman |
| 07:33.16 | jim | pacman controller? |
| 07:33.17 | PythonNinja | Supaplex: yes it has xauth, i'm wondering why i'm having this problem, my other debian boxes all forward X ok, the only difference is that i've never tried to do it over interwebs before, normally it's over LAN |
| 07:33.45 | jim | what's an interwebs? |
| 07:34.02 | Supaplex | !interweb |
| 07:34.27 | Supaplex | you know, the net tubes |
| 07:34.40 | jim | is the other machine debian? |
| 07:35.38 | PythonNinja | the server is debian etch, this machine is debian lenny (with bits of unstable and experimental) |
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| 07:37.09 | jim | the server is what you're trying to ssh to, and run clients on? |
| 07:37.16 | PythonNinja | yes |
| 07:37.25 | jim | and you can install packages? |
| 07:37.29 | PythonNinja | yup |
| 07:37.34 | jim | try installing xbase-clients |
| 07:37.41 | PythonNinja | it's already installed |
| 07:37.59 | jim | and also adjust its sshd-config and your ssh-config |
| 07:38.24 | jim | after adjusting the sshd-config, restart sshd on that machine |
| 07:38.52 | jim | the only thing standing in your way after that is interspider! |
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| 07:39.20 | cheney | NO WONDER the USA has a NEGATIVE SAVINGS RATE. |
| 07:39.21 | jim | err, sorry, is some router denying the port (maybe) |
| 07:39.36 | cheney | they say FECK it and they just spend it in the moment. |
| 07:40.15 | jim | are you saying no client will display on the server? |
| 07:40.17 | PythonNinja | oh... the X11 forward doesn't just use the socket on port 22? i need to forward more? that could be it, my ssh-config shouldn't be an issue since i can tunnel from other machines, and it's sshd_config has X11 forwarding turned on |
| 07:40.18 | cheney | our economy is HURTING because our citizens are afraid to invest their hard-earned dollars. |
| 07:40.26 | cheney | because they are afraid of the tax ramifications. |
| 07:40.33 | PythonNinja | !ops cheney |
| 07:40.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pythonninja complains about: cheney |
| 07:40.39 | jim | well I never had to, so that part could be nonsense |
| 07:40.41 | enouf | cheney: go to ##politics already ffs |
| 07:40.52 | icedtea | !g u.s. savings bonds |
| 07:41.28 | jim | cheney: what a dick.. err, I mean did anyone ever tell you you need to learn gun safety? |
| 07:41.45 | peterS | you guys can both get back on topic, plskthx |
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| 07:41.54 | jim | oh that's right, I'm ignoring him :) |
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| 07:42.27 | cheney | the tax headaches of investing my money in this economy are too much for me. |
| 07:42.37 | cheney | i am not the only one. |
| 07:42.54 | peterS | cheney: enough, as enouf said |
| 07:46.47 | internat85 | ok after some kde type help |
| 07:47.01 | icedtea | huh? |
| 07:47.11 | internat85 | ive got debian installed on my media box, and hooked up to my 40" tv. Its running at 1920x1080, but the text is HUGE |
| 07:47.19 | internat85 | all the icons are normal size, but the text is just massive |
| 07:48.02 | peterS | dude it's a 40" TV. of course the text is huge. |
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| 07:48.05 | jim | too heavy? |
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| 07:48.30 | peterS | if you think your TV is way too big, please contact me and we can arrange a trade of some sort |
| 07:48.34 | internat85 | when i say huge i mean its rendering wrong. |
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| 07:48.44 | icedtea | internat85: nvidia drivers? |
| 07:48.46 | internat85 | its not scalled properly and its not showing up at the right side |
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| 07:48.52 | internat85 | icedtea: yes |
| 07:48.58 | internat85 | s/side/size |
| 07:48.59 | somiaj | internat85: set the dpi correctally, you can do that in your .Xdefaults "Xft.dpi: 100" for instance. |
| 07:49.21 | slavik | I heard there was a troll discussin tax law :-\ |
| 07:49.21 | peterS | dpi 100, I guess that would mean his 40" is on the order of 4000 pixels? |
| 07:49.30 | somiaj | internat85: that will only scale xft fonts, but I assume that is where your issue is. |
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| 07:49.55 | internat85 | that sounds about right |
| 07:50.00 | internat85 | where should this .Xdefaults file be? |
| 07:50.02 | jim | slavik: /ignore cheney!*@* all |
| 07:50.07 | slavik | :( |
| 07:50.26 | godling|laptop | internat85: In the home directory of your user. |
| 07:50.39 | godling|laptop | (typically) |
| 07:50.47 | jim | please don't feed the troll, he's already sugar encrusted as it is |
| 07:50.49 | somiaj | internat85: it is in your home dir. you will need 'xrdb -load $HOME/.Xdefaults'. and depending how you run X, you may need to call it .Xresources |
| 07:51.01 | peterS | there is no "show". even on Sundays. |
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| 07:51.09 | slavik | oh well :( |
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| 07:51.22 | internat85 | i think, and i may have this wrong, kdm starts X correcT? |
| 07:52.16 | peterS | internat85: typically kdm starts X and then kdm starts KDE to run in X |
| 07:52.31 | peterS | kdm being your display manager, xdm and gdm can do the same job if you prefer |
| 07:52.48 | internat85 | i thought that was the case but wasnt sure. Yeah i used KDM and then it opens KDE |
| 07:53.01 | godling|laptop | ...but I'm old and crusty. ;P |
| 07:53.04 | peterS | well, the actual order is that kdm starts X and pops up a login box. once you log in, it starts your session, generally including some form of KDE |
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| 07:53.57 | icedtea | internat: Option "DPI" "string" This option specifies the Dots Per Inch for the X screen; for example: Option "DPI" "75 x 85" will set the horizontal DPI to 75 and the vertical DPI to 85. By default, the X driver will compute the DPI of the X screen from the EDID of any connected display devices. See Appendix E, Dots Per Inch for details. Default: string is NULL (disabled). |
| 07:54.15 | icedtea | internet85: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:54.52 | peterS | is a 40" TV honest about its actual size in EDID? if so, you'll get a remarkably low DPI |
| 07:54.54 | icedtea | ops someone else answered that |
| 07:57.03 | enouf | !dpi |
| 07:57.04 | dpkg | i heard dpi is your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 07:57.27 | enouf | er .. |
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| 08:01.59 | internat85 | thanks! that fixed it |
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| 08:07.53 | mip | what is the equivalent command for "dos2unix" latest distributions ? |
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| 08:10.39 | goretex | hi people |
| 08:10.52 | darmi | hey |
| 08:11.32 | goretex | i make a .deb with dh_make and dpkg-buildpacke -rfakeroot -b, and i have to modifi to add the icon for gnome menu |
| 08:11.34 | karsten | mip: dos2unix |
| 08:12.06 | karsten | mip: package tofrodos. |
| 08:12.13 | goretex | how i do unpack anda when i add the files .. then pack the folder? |
| 08:12.58 | mip | karsten: the command is fromdos |
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| 08:13.25 | karsten | mip: Oh. |
| 08:14.06 | mip | dos2unix and unix2dos are linked to fromdos. |
| 08:14.07 | karsten | mip: I thought you'd remembered the old 'dos2unix' command. There's also a 'unix2dos' command. Turns out they both still exist in the package I mentioned. |
| 08:14.23 | karsten | mip: Or you could just taunt your silly DOS-using friends. |
| 08:14.56 | mip | karsten: you are correct both exist. |
| 08:15.12 | karsten | mip: Don't worry. |
| 08:15.15 | karsten | mip: I'm used to it. |
| 08:15.19 | karsten | :) |
| 08:15.40 | karsten | mip: OTOH, I didn't know about fromdos. |
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| 08:15.49 | liable | hehe |
| 08:15.54 | karsten | So I just learned something. |
| 08:15.58 | cheney | the court system and the prison system generates more income than 10 of the largest fortune 500 companies put together. |
| 08:16.00 | cheney | comments? |
| 08:16.21 | liable | cheney: my comment is: go to #politics :P |
| 08:16.21 | karsten | cheney: Jail more executives. |
| 08:16.49 | mip | it was a transition. When it was part of sysutils it was single binary fromdos. |
| 08:17.06 | goretex | noone??? :S |
| 08:17.14 | goretex | Ohhhh |
| 08:17.17 | goretex | thanx |
| 08:17.23 | karsten | mip: ll /usr/bin/fromdos /usr/bin/dos2unix /usr/bin/unix2dos |
| 08:17.36 | karsten | mip: dos2unix & unix2dos are symlinks to fromdos. |
| 08:17.48 | cheney | i am looking here at the data and the data is saying it clearly. the government of the usa has a surplus of $30 trillion dollars. |
| 08:17.49 | karsten | mip: So you were right and I was right and we all win. |
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| 08:18.04 | karsten | cheney: What Debian package provides that? |
| 08:18.19 | cheney | where is all that money going? |
| 08:18.29 | karsten | cheney: Lovely eau d'Troll you're sporting. |
| 08:18.39 | karsten | cheney: #politics or ##debian-offtopic please. |
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| 08:18.44 | mip | karsten: I agree :) |
| 08:18.45 | CAiRO- | which package replaces schedutils in testing? |
| 08:19.05 | cheney | karsten, the iq in those channels are lower. |
| 08:19.18 | karsten | cheney: Last warning. |
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| 08:20.26 | icedtea | that guy is just weird |
| 08:21.06 | karsten | icedtea: Canadian too. |
| 08:21.23 | karsten | icedtea: ... but you said it first. |
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| 08:22.09 | karsten | Have your friend introduce you to them as "This is Karsten. He hates Canadians." |
| 08:22.13 | karsten | It's worked every time. |
| 08:22.17 | karsten | (Well, once) |
| 08:23.40 | jim | karsten: he's been here about 45 mins, I /ignored after about 5 (continued along offtopic lines after I asked him if he had debian-related traffic for the channel) |
| 08:24.17 | icedtea | heh I'm not far from the border maybe I'll try that |
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| 08:26.24 | karsten | icedtea: It happened at an office christmas party. |
| 08:26.35 | karsten | icedtea: We were overrun with canadians. And johns. |
| 08:26.46 | karsten | icedtea: ... not to be confused with tricks. |
| 08:26.50 | karsten | (either) |
| 08:26.58 | icedtea | did there heads flop when they talk like in south park? |
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| 08:28.50 | icedtea | its very rare that I watch tv |
| 08:29.17 | salman | aptitute tells me I have both python 2.4 and 2.5 installed but I am trying to install a local .deb package that keep complaining it needs 2.5 and it is not there |
| 08:29.22 | icedtea | I've seen a few south park episodes though |
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| 08:31.58 | icedtea | salman: sounds like the package you got is for a different distro |
| 08:32.00 | rgr | salman: did you try (as root) update-alternatives --config python |
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| 08:34.32 | icedtea | jesus I think I've been on irc for 24 hours now. No license so I can't get out and drive :( |
| 08:34.58 | enouf | ankle braclet too? |
| 08:35.51 | icedtea | lol no |
| 08:36.00 | icedtea | I forgot my license in my friends car |
| 08:36.04 | icedtea | err wallet |
| 08:36.24 | phorce1 | why is your license in your friend's wallet? |
| 08:36.54 | icedtea | for some reason he's not calling me back. probalby out on the town with my cash :/ |
| 08:37.10 | icedtea | I mean I forgot my wallet in my friends car ;) |
| 08:37.16 | jim | hmm, that doesn't sound friendly to me |
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| 08:38.00 | phorce1 | what state you live in? I have my DL# memorized and that's all I need if I forget it and get stopped for anything (so long as it is actually valid) |
| 08:38.22 | icedtea | mi |
| 08:38.24 | salman | icedtea: it says it is for debian, but not mentioned which version. I am using lenny |
| 08:38.36 | phorce1 | tx |
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| 08:38.52 | icedtea | salman: huh? |
| 08:38.56 | turneralex | Hey, how would I install Java? |
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| 08:39.42 | thedonvaughn | turneralex: apt-get install sun-javaX-jre X = 5 or 6 |
| 08:39.58 | thedonvaughn | turneralex: aptitude search java |
| 08:40.01 | turneralex | ahh |
| 08:40.04 | turneralex | cheers mate |
| 08:40.16 | salman | rgr: did that and got no alternatives for python ! |
| 08:40.56 | icedtea | salman: maybe the package is not for stable/testing/unstable whatever your version is |
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| 08:43.56 | turneralex | thedonvaughn: Where does the installer hide Java? |
| 08:44.12 | darmi | whereis java |
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| 08:44.18 | the_sniff | isn |
| 08:44.29 | the_sniff | isn't there a general o/s chan or something? |
| 08:44.31 | turneralex | cheers mate |
| 08:45.01 | darmi | :) |
| 08:45.07 | icedtea | there's #linux |
| 08:45.14 | the_sniff | i don't mean a linux chan |
| 08:45.18 | the_sniff | a general o/s talk |
| 08:45.24 | icedtea | hrm dunno |
| 08:45.26 | the_sniff | i wanna try some new os's on a vm |
| 08:45.36 | the_sniff | but i can't find anything new to run on a x86 arh |
| 08:45.37 | the_sniff | arch |
| 08:45.49 | icedtea | try hurd-l4 ;) |
| 08:46.12 | the_sniff | its the same as linux |
| 08:46.25 | the_sniff | im looking for stuff like aix you know the unexplored portion of the os world |
| 08:46.28 | darmi | I thought the hurd kernel was only for ia-64 |
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| 08:47.02 | icedtea | not really, its a microkernel but it does have similiar apps (not as much as them though) |
| 08:47.19 | icedtea | darmi: no it runs on i386 |
| 08:47.53 | the_sniff | can i get vxworks? :p |
| 08:47.59 | icedtea | qnx? reactos? |
| 08:48.22 | icedtea | the_sniff: dunno |
| 08:48.27 | the_sniff | reactos is a lame windows and qnx is unix :( |
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| 08:48.45 | the_sniff | or qnx is an rtos :p |
| 08:49.00 | darmi | icedtea: damn I would of been using it !!! |
| 08:49.03 | darmi | :) |
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| 08:50.13 | the_sniff | qnx isn't free :( |
| 08:50.33 | icedtea | hrm there use to be a free download for it |
| 08:50.38 | icedtea | it has a nice interface |
| 08:50.51 | the_sniff | yeah an ugly one :p |
| 08:51.05 | icedtea | bah |
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| 08:52.56 | darmi | it's all about the gnu hurd! |
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| 08:53.35 | jim | gnu hurd is still a slow, overgeneralized pos, isn't it? |
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| 08:54.00 | darmi | it's still beta |
| 08:54.05 | darmi | or alpha |
| 08:54.05 | cahoot | foremost it's OT |
| 08:54.30 | jim | OnTopic! yay! :P |
| 08:54.51 | xingu | orange tango was what I got |
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| 08:55.25 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 08:55.41 | lkthomas | does dd safe enough to ease information ? |
| 08:55.44 | icedtea | jim: dunno, I plan on trying the l4 branch in vm soon though |
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| 08:56.07 | icedtea | erase? |
| 08:56.14 | lkthomas | yeah, sorry |
| 08:56.17 | lkthomas | can't spell |
| 08:56.32 | icedtea | google dban |
| 08:57.12 | icedtea | or apt-get install dban |
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| 08:58.12 | icedtea | err wait |
| 08:58.17 | lkthomas | ? |
| 08:58.19 | icedtea | I thought debian had that as a package |
| 08:59.31 | icedtea | hold on |
| 08:59.35 | smhar | this is the exact error: vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux depends on python (>= 2.5); however: Version of python on system is 2.4.4-6 |
| 08:59.59 | lkthomas | nono |
| 09:00.07 | lkthomas | I want to boot from CD and erase |
| 09:00.20 | icedtea | yes dban will do that |
| 09:01.00 | icedtea | there's images you can burn to a cd that can be downloaded |
| 09:01.17 | icedtea | there's a dod compliant erasure method |
| 09:01.51 | icedtea | lkthomas: I'm assuming this is sensitive info, other just rm -rf |
| 09:02.15 | lkthomas | yeah |
| 09:02.46 | lkthomas | I got FBI top level information in my HDD |
| 09:02.52 | lkthomas | I have to erase before they reach me |
| 09:02.58 | icedtea | haha |
| 09:03.32 | lkthomas | actually, I assume DD will do as well |
| 09:03.41 | lkthomas | I will use dban first |
| 09:03.42 | Caelum | lkthomas: secure-delete |
| 09:03.44 | lkthomas | then dd 10times |
| 09:04.00 | lkthomas | what is secure-delete |
| 09:04.05 | Caelum | a debian package |
| 09:05.28 | xingu | lkthomas: if it's that critical I suggest high temperature incineration |
| 09:06.49 | Caelum | if you have top level FBI information, put it on emule :) |
| 09:07.03 | icedtea | haha |
| 09:07.13 | SparFux | In debian my softphone iaxcomm doesn't start up. It just hangs there. no new windows. |
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| 09:08.43 | larsl | How do you get module-assistant to build a kernel driver for a kernel other than the running one? |
| 09:09.47 | icedtea | smhar: are one of salman aliases? |
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| 09:10.01 | Caelum | larsl: use --kernel-dir or some such (see man m-a) |
| 09:10.08 | larsl | Thanks. |
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| 09:11.35 | valdyn | !wipe |
| 09:11.35 | dpkg | wipe is a command that you can use to relatively securely remove files. aptitude install wipe; and man wipe; for further infomration and important comments. |
| 09:11.56 | valdyn | and wipe the disk, not the files |
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| 09:12.07 | smhar | icedtea: yes. xchat crashed on me |
| 09:12.30 | Tapout | hey guys, anyone know where I can read about how to install a driver for my nic? The one in lenny doesn't work that well, and marvell has released a driver |
| 09:12.46 | larsl | Hm, m-a --kernel-dir <path to my kernel source> a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy doesn't seem to work. |
| 09:12.49 | valdyn | Tapout: marvell drivers are notoriously bad |
| 09:12.53 | larsl | "Bad kernel version specification at /usr/bin/m-a line 566, <$apt> line 8." |
| 09:13.00 | Tapout | valdyn, SHIT :) |
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| 09:13.21 | Tapout | I should just disable this onboard nic and get a 3com |
| 09:13.35 | valdyn | Tapout: you can use a newer kernel or try their driver... but docs on how to use their driver are provided by marvell.. not debian |
| 09:13.36 | Tapout | the asus docs didn't say 'marvell' .. just said onboard 1Gb |
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| 09:14.03 | Tapout | valdyn, should be easiest just doing a backport of the latest kernel? |
| 09:14.08 | valdyn | Tapout: which driver is it that you are using though? there's quite a few marvell drivers in kernel |
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| 09:14.11 | Tapout | aptitude install backport-latest-kernel or whatever it is? |
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| 09:14.18 | valdyn | Tapout: kernels dont usually need backporting |
| 09:14.22 | Tapout | valdyn, no idea.. all I know is .. it goes crazy |
| 09:14.29 | valdyn | Tapout: uname -r |
| 09:14.41 | Tapout | i had the machine unplugged, 20 seconds |
| 09:14.44 | icedtea | smhar: what are you running unstable/testing/stable? |
| 09:14.47 | jair | guys, if I have a cd with debian etch r3 and I want to copy it as iso so i can use it to boot my virtual machines, what will be the command? |
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| 09:15.06 | valdyn | Tapout: maybe you're still running the etch kernel. |
| 09:15.27 | valdyn | jair: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso |
| 09:15.47 | smhar | icedtea: testing |
| 09:15.48 | valdyn | jair: but your virtual machine certainly can use /dev/cdrom where it can use file.iso |
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| 09:16.05 | valdyn | jair: both are files, they dont work any different |
| 09:16.14 | Tapout | valdyn, i did .. /etc/apt/sources.list to 'lenny' .. dist-upgrade, upgrade, reboot |
| 09:16.19 | Tapout | it's just coming up now |
| 09:16.24 | jair | valdyn: right but I do not want to depend of the cd :) I need to take the cdrom with me to work monday |
| 09:16.26 | smhar | icedtea: I am trying to configure Vodafone's 3G usb internet device |
| 09:16.30 | valdyn | Tapout: that doesnt necessearily give you a new kernel |
| 09:16.42 | Tapout | 2.6.22-3-amd63 |
| 09:16.44 | Tapout | 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 09:16.53 | jair | valdyn: did you understand why I am creating the iso file? |
| 09:16.54 | smhar | icedtea: https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/ |
| 09:17.02 | valdyn | jair: sure |
| 09:17.10 | jair | valdyn: Thank you for the command ;) |
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| 09:17.49 | valdyn | Tapout: i'd use a sid kernel, see http://packages.debian.org/ to get one, and if that doesnt work, see marvell |
| 09:17.51 | Tapout | valdyn, know how i probe what the driver is that they're using? |
| 09:18.03 | Tapout | valdyn, i should just upgrade to sid, no? |
| 09:18.07 | valdyn | Tapout: no |
| 09:18.14 | valdyn | Tapout: only grab the kernel .deb and install it |
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| 09:18.54 | valdyn | Tapout: who is "they" ? |
| 09:19.07 | Tapout | they, pro's that wrote the kernel :) |
| 09:19.19 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 09:19.19 | dpkg | [driver locator] To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 09:19.20 | jair | Tapout: why do you need a different kernel from the generic 2.6.18? |
| 09:19.38 | Tapout | jair, the marvell nic has issues |
| 09:19.54 | Tapout | etch was terrible, lenny is better but it still gets knocked out after a bit .. |
| 09:20.07 | Tapout | i'm on lenny now, and valdyn said to install the sid kernel, which i'm looking for now :) |
| 09:20.42 | xingu | well there's a mild revolution, nvidia 171.06 survived overnight with powermizer active on core2 |
| 09:20.56 | jair | Tapout: I see |
| 09:20.59 | xingu | yay, one fewer thing to shit me |
| 09:21.01 | icedtea | smhar: have you updated your apt database? python2.5 is in testing |
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| 09:21.21 | valdyn | xingu: thats one huge version number jump within few time |
| 09:21.22 | jair | Tapout: have you check in the marvel site for a module or driver for linux? |
| 09:21.50 | jair | valdyn: should not Marvell have a driver for Linux? |
| 09:21.59 | Tapout | jair, yes .. they have a driver .. it was recommended to me to try sid, and then their drivers :) |
| 09:22.08 | valdyn | jair: yea |
| 09:22.16 | valdyn | jair: but its usually badly supported |
| 09:22.20 | Tapout | http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=200 |
| 09:22.29 | xingu | valdyn: yeah, it's got baby steps for the first 9xxx's - 9600gt support |
| 09:22.35 | valdyn | jair: so bad that linux kernel people saw the need to rewrite... |
| 09:22.54 | valdyn | jair: that might or might not change / have changed, but i wouldnt trust them |
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| 09:22.59 | lkthomas | LOL, marvell |
| 09:23.01 | lkthomas | I hate that |
| 09:23.06 | xingu | valdyn: I'd imagine it's got a framework for the more exotic stuff like the 9800's too. |
| 09:23.13 | Tapout | asus should be shot for using marvell :) |
| 09:23.19 | jair | valdyn: I see |
| 09:23.30 | lkthomas | marvell driver sucks |
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| 09:23.41 | lkthomas | you will need to download from official site to get LAN working |
| 09:23.42 | Tapout | umm, what's the sid kernel package name? every guess I've taken doesn't find it.. or too generic ;) |
| 09:23.43 | jair | Tapout: I have an asus motherboard as well. and it works fine but it is little old |
| 09:23.45 | smhar | icedtea: searching aptitude shows that python 2..5.1.7 IS installed |
| 09:23.55 | xingu | valdyn: it also has a pixmap cache funkiness for 8xxx/9xxx; allegedly will speed up gtk no end. |
| 09:23.56 | valdyn | Tapout: you should get it just searching for linux-image |
| 09:24.10 | Tapout | ahh.. linux-image .. heh, linux-kernel is what i was looking for |
| 09:24.44 | smhar | icedtea: as well as python 2.4.4.7 |
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| 09:24.54 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 09:25.07 | xingu | valdyn: "AllowIndirectPixmaps" |
| 09:25.45 | ribnitz | I have a HP laserjet 5M printer (that does Postscript L2); is it worth anything to access that printer using gutenprint? |
| 09:25.54 | jair | jair@rhenan:~$ lspci -vv | grep Marvell |
| 09:25.54 | jair | 01:04.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 13) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Asus) |
| 09:26.23 | ribnitz | (I am on sid) |
| 09:26.58 | Tapout | jair, 01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rec 12) |
| 09:27.10 | Tapout | jair, are you on etch/lenny/sid? |
| 09:27.38 | jair | I am on etch, using the 2.6.18-6-k7 kernel. |
| 09:27.57 | valdyn | with an entirely different marvell chip |
| 09:28.12 | icedtea | smhar: hrm thats strange. the 2.4 version must be the default |
| 09:28.28 | jair | valdyn: I have a AMD processor, xp 2500 |
| 09:28.37 | smhar | icedtea: how to change it? |
| 09:28.37 | Tapout | valdyn, I'm here .. http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. |
| 09:28.55 | Tapout | i don't see a *.deb .. i only see the source package, description and a *.tar.gz .. and if I download it, it doesn't have a *.deb |
| 09:29.08 | icedtea | smhar: maybe uninstall the 2.4 version? |
| 09:29.23 | valdyn | Tapout: there'S bold text like "Download linux-image-2.6-amd64" |
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| 09:29.34 | valdyn | Tapout: with the links below referring to specific platforms |
| 09:29.35 | smhar | icedtea: I am not sure if other programs require it? |
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| 09:29.53 | icedtea | smhar: dpkg will bitch if they do |
| 09:29.58 | icedtea | and you can stop it |
| 09:30.01 | Tapout | valdyn, lol i kept clickong on the right side, not the amd64 side.. son of a @#$@# |
| 09:30.06 | Tapout | Jair, mine is a..: |
| 09:30.06 | valdyn | Tapout: and theres also a descritpion of the backage on top, telling you that this is a metapackage depending on the latest kernel |
| 09:30.21 | jair | nice |
| 09:30.24 | valdyn | Tapout: you want to real thing, not the metapackage |
| 09:30.44 | jair | Tapout: follow valdyn's directions :D |
| 09:30.55 | smhar | icedtea: 363 packages to be removed !!!!!!! |
| 09:30.56 | valdyn | or actually they call it "Dummy Package" |
| 09:30.59 | valdyn | either way, READ |
| 09:31.09 | Tapout | Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33Ghz, on a Asus P5K-VM Motherboard Skt775 G33 |
| 09:31.35 | jair | Tapout: yep totally different than mine |
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| 09:32.06 | icedtea | smhar: heh don't do it then |
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| 09:32.16 | Tapout | valdyn there is only one that shows up tho? |
| 09:32.17 | Tapout | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image |
| 09:32.25 | doxtor | How do I redirect /dev/dsp to /class/input/input4 ? |
| 09:32.52 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to have the Network Manager (in Gnome) support the WPA-supplicant/wpagui, so I don't need tree programs to configure my networks? I'm using the Gnome Network Manager, Network-Manager-Gnome and now also wpagui |
| 09:32.57 | cahoot | for what purpose? |
| 09:33.13 | liable | i have the 22-3 kernel with that card and it seems to work fine |
| 09:33.24 | cahoot | for what purpose? doxtor |
| 09:33.28 | Jemt | Well, actually it should be supported by network-manager-gnome, not the old one :) |
| 09:33.50 | valdyn | doxtor: thats one funnily fucked up idea |
| 09:33.56 | doxtor | cahoot: i want to have sound output through usb to headphones |
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| 09:34.03 | valdyn | hahah |
| 09:34.24 | cahoot | doxtor: you have a usb headset? |
| 09:34.32 | doxtor | cahoot: yes |
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| 09:34.39 | icedtea | smhar: do they offer the software in a different format? say a compressed tar image? |
| 09:34.48 | cahoot | doxtor: alsa usually handles those fine |
| 09:34.48 | Tapout | valdyn, it's only finding that 1 dummy package for linux-image, can you help me out and tell me what i'm missing? :) |
| 09:35.19 | valdyn | Tapout: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 09:35.41 | valdyn | Tapout: i dont understand this, every kid can use google better than you ;) |
| 09:35.48 | [Bart] | hello,what is the 'supported' way of changing the relay host of sendmail in Debian? (cf. always gets overwritten if you restart network) |
| 09:35.51 | Tapout | valdyn, ya but i see the *AMD64 .. I click on it, back to the dummy package |
| 09:36.12 | Tapout | k i'll go google'n .. |
| 09:36.13 | Tapout | ;) |
| 09:36.33 | valdyn | Tapout: ah, to many results |
| 09:36.39 | Tapout | valdyn, btw I was at the list, I click on the amd64, only 1 package listed.. back to the dummy package.. so either I'm missing something or whatever :) |
| 09:36.39 | valdyn | Tapout: as written boldly on top |
| 09:36.45 | smhar | icedtea: rpm |
| 09:36.55 | cahoot | doxtor: what problem is it you want to solve? |
| 09:37.00 | valdyn | Tapout: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.24&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all |
| 09:37.13 | doxtor | cahoot: there's no sound |
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| 09:37.16 | smhar | icedtea: http://howtoforge.com/vodafone_mobile_connect_card_driver_linux |
| 09:37.20 | valdyn | doxtor: you should do this totally different |
| 09:37.24 | cahoot | doxtor: in what context? |
| 09:37.37 | doxtor | valdyn: how should I do it? |
| 09:38.01 | Tapout | valdyn, ahh there we go! thank you man |
| 09:38.01 | valdyn | doxtor: youre using alsa most probably, no application should use /dev/dsp at all, so first reconfigure your app, and if your app is decent you can already pick the headphones inside that app or in the relevant settings for that app |
| 09:38.02 | doxtor | cahoot: C-Media USB Headphone Set is recognized but no sound coming out |
| 09:38.44 | valdyn | doxtor: so which sound playing application are we talking about? |
| 09:38.50 | cahoot | doxtor: what card# according to cat /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 09:38.53 | doxtor | valdyn: amarok |
| 09:39.14 | Tapout | valdyn, thank you! |
| 09:39.17 | valdyn | doxtor: thats kde i guess, use the kcontrol to pick alsa and to also pick your headphones |
| 09:39.17 | Tapout | i said :) |
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| 09:39.56 | doxtor | cahoot: http://rafb.net/p/sQXA7G41.html |
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| 09:40.25 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:40.33 | cahoot | doxtor: so your headset is alsas 2:nd device ia hw:1 |
| 09:40.38 | WormFood | dimir, evening! |
| 09:40.45 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 09:41.45 | cahoot | doxtor: if amarok doesn't allow you to choose that device for output asoundconf should help you make the headset 'default' |
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| 09:43.11 | doxtor | cahoot: it seems to be default already |
| 09:43.18 | icedtea | smhar: try https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/download.php/77/vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux-1.99.17.tar.gz |
| 09:43.37 | cahoot | doxtor: run speaker-test in a terminal |
| 09:44.22 | cahoot | doxtor: als - run alsamixer -c1 to make sure it's unmuted and has reasonable levels |
| 09:44.33 | cahoot | s/als/also/ |
| 09:45.09 | smhar | thanks icedtea. I will try this |
| 09:45.09 | smhar | icedtea: btw, I noticed that python calls python 2.4 but python2.5 calls python 2.5 |
| 09:45.22 | doxtor | cahoot: speaker test running, but no sound coming out |
| 09:48.13 | cahoot | doxtor: already run alsamixer -c1 to make sure it's unmuted and has reasonable levels? |
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| 09:49.00 | nfsnobody | hey guys - can anyone advise me the best way to remove postfix from my system? I made it from the source :P |
| 09:49.13 | Caelum | nfsnobody: make uninstall |
| 09:49.17 | nfsnobody | I tried that =/ |
| 09:49.24 | nfsnobody | m00:~/postfix-2.5.1# make uninstall |
| 09:49.24 | nfsnobody | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
| 09:49.31 | Caelum | nfsnobody: next time use stow |
| 09:49.48 | nfsnobody | :P |
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| 09:50.17 | Caelum | nfsnobody: you could capture the output of "make install" to a log, then use that to delete those files |
| 09:50.19 | ribnitz | heyas all... |
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| 09:50.28 | nfsnobody | is there a clean and simple way of doing that? :P |
| 09:50.42 | nfsnobody | hmmm, stow looks nice.. |
| 09:50.45 | ribnitz | would it not be better to print to a postscript printer using postscript directly, rather than gutenprint? |
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| 09:51.18 | Caelum | ribnitz: postscript printers support different options, the gutenprint drivers have them in the ppd files |
| 09:51.41 | Caelum | nfsnobody: umm... you know how to use grep, awk, xargs? |
| 09:51.47 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I get support for WPA networks in the Network-Manager (-gnome) ? I have installed the wpasupplicant package but can't seem to figure out how to integrate it into network-manager |
| 09:51.54 | Arelis | how do i mount an .mdf or .mds file (a CD image) to a directory? |
| 09:51.57 | nfsnobody | I know the basics of them Caelum, but I'm no whiz :P |
| 09:52.05 | valdyn | Jemt: its integrated |
| 09:52.18 | Jemt | valdyn: I can't select it - it's not there |
| 09:52.33 | Jemt | valdyn: wpagui seems to work though |
| 09:52.41 | Jemt | valdyn: But I prefer using one app for networking |
| 09:52.58 | BaD_CrC | does anyone here know if the Sound Blaster X-Fi PCI-Express card works with debian? |
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| 09:53.34 | cahoot | doesn't creative off a 64bit driver for that device? |
| 09:53.41 | cahoot | s/off/offer/ |
| 09:53.50 | valdyn | for ancient kernels iirc |
| 09:54.03 | BaD_CrC | 64-bit for windows |
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| 09:54.18 | valdyn | !x-fi |
| 09:54.18 | dpkg | The Sound Blaster X-Fi currently has no open-source ALSA driver. Closed-source, _unsupported_ beta ALSA driver for 64-bit platforms available from <http://www.soundblaster.com/language.asp?sDestUrl=/support/downloads>. These won't compile with GCC >= 4.0. Beta X-Fi support available from OSS 4.0 build 1013 and later. ALSA port of OSS driver intended (ref Feb/March alsa-devel ML) using supplied datasheets. |
| 09:54.19 | BaD_CrC | i want to use it in linux. i'm building a media center box |
| 09:54.23 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:54.37 | Ace2016 | anyone know a program like setleds for xorg? or how to run setleds in xorg? |
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| 09:57.56 | Jemt | !wpasupplicant |
| 09:57.56 | dpkg | from memory, wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 09:58.58 | nfsnobody | ah-hah! I've manager to trick apt-get into installing over the old copy of postfix... now what's the best way to do a full uninstall of all files (config, etc) that postfix would add? :D |
| 09:59.34 | Jemt | nfsnobody: That's the great thing about apt-get - you can't. It's great for installing apps, useless when it comes to removing them |
| 09:59.43 | nfsnobody | hmmm... |
| 09:59.48 | nfsnobody | well, there goes that idea :P |
| 09:59.59 | Jemt | nfsnobody: There are clean-up tools available though |
| 10:00.12 | Jemt | nfsnobody: Don't know how they work, so you will have to ask someone else |
| 10:00.17 | nfsnobody | hmmm |
| 10:00.20 | nfsnobody | ok, cheers Jemt :) |
| 10:00.24 | Jemt | :) |
| 10:00.28 | nfsnobody | anyone know of any good cleanup tools for apt-get? :P |
| 10:00.33 | Jemt | Hehe |
| 10:00.34 | valdyn | nfsnobody: apt-get remove --purge postfix ( and maybe additionally postfix-common or similar ) |
| 10:00.39 | nfsnobody | ^_^ |
| 10:01.08 | nfsnobody | ty valdyn :) |
| 10:01.14 | valdyn | cleanup tools for apt-get ... we arent windows |
| 10:01.18 | nfsnobody | :P |
| 10:01.35 | Jemt | valdyn: Will that remove all dependencies, configurations.. everything ?? |
| 10:01.49 | nfsnobody | I think it did what I wanted... :P |
| 10:01.49 | nfsnobody | Purging configuration files for postfix ... |
| 10:01.55 | nfsnobody | I hope so anyway... |
| 10:02.05 | Jemt | valdyn: I have tried to remove programs a hundred times, asked in here several times - but never managed to completely remove a program with all its junk |
| 10:02.06 | nfsnobody | I'm doing an updatedb and going to see if I can find any more references to postfix now :P |
| 10:02.20 | turneralex | Hey, I just installed Tomcat as a dependency to Openbravo, and when the Openbravo installer asks for the location of the Tomcat installation I supply it as /etc/tomcat5.5 and the installer believes that, that is NOT the installation directory. |
| 10:02.23 | valdyn | Jemt: i dont know why _you_ couldnt do it |
| 10:02.39 | Jemt | valdyn: Heh, okay :) |
| 10:02.49 | valdyn | nfsnobody: you want to use aptitude in the future, because it keeps track of what was installed only as a dependency |
| 10:03.15 | Jemt | Nah, dosn't work |
| 10:03.26 | valdyn | nfsnobody: that way postfix-common would be autoremoved when removing postfix ( bad example if postfix-common does not really exist ) |
| 10:03.35 | nfsnobody | valdyn: isn't aptitude a GUI? :P |
| 10:03.55 | valdyn | nfsnobody: its a curses gui and a commandline tool similar to apt-get |
| 10:04.01 | valdyn | nfsnobody: depends on how you run it |
| 10:04.03 | nfsnobody | ah :P |
| 10:04.07 | nfsnobody | well I'm sshing into this server |
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| 10:04.51 | godling|laptop | Hey guys. Has anyone reported problems getting a touchpad on a Dell Vostro 1400 to work properly? |
| 10:04.58 | valdyn | nfsnobody: i would have thought that make install defaults to /usr/local/ , not /usr/ as debian packages |
| 10:05.59 | nfsnobody | erm, I have no idea? :P |
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| 10:08.30 | Tapout | hey valdyn, i got that new kernel up and running, is there a way to stress test my nic? so I don't start loading stuff on here and it ends up being bad |
| 10:08.33 | godling|laptop | It appears my touchpad is being detected incorrectly by the kernel as a regular ps/2 mouse. |
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| 10:09.15 | valdyn | Tapout: i just crashed a box using "bing" |
| 10:09.36 | godling|laptop | valdyn: is that anything like ping? |
| 10:09.48 | valdyn | Tapout: ah nm, it only hang for a while not crash, but its probably a stress test, sending many small packets |
| 10:09.52 | godling|laptop | ah, it is |
| 10:09.59 | valdyn | godling|laptop: "like", in a way, but it floods |
| 10:10.00 | godling|laptop | sort of |
| 10:10.11 | valdyn | godling|laptop: its a bandwidth estimation tool |
| 10:10.19 | godling|laptop | yeah, reading the man page now |
| 10:10.22 | xingu | valdyn: and "like", in a way, but it hits both ends so it can work out path delay betwixt |
| 10:10.23 | godling|laptop | spiffy |
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| 10:10.41 | godling|laptop | I installed it and loaded up the manpage pretty quick. |
| 10:10.46 | godling|laptop | I'm such a nerd. :/ |
| 10:10.48 | xingu | icmp measurement is overrated ;) |
| 10:11.09 | xingu | corollary - processing packets is much slower than forwarding them |
| 10:11.12 | valdyn | sure its by no means accurate |
| 10:12.08 | godling|laptop | I can estimate bandwidth at school by watching to see how many people can access their myspace videos at one time. |
| 10:12.19 | xingu | if you want to measure path delay these days you need to eliminate the packet processing overhead - ie a jitter saa probe or something similar |
| 10:13.18 | valdyn | godling|laptop: the point of bing is that it doesnt take alot of bandwidth to measure it |
| 10:13.40 | Tapout | iptraf'n bing only shows about 3500Kb in/out .. total around 7100Kb/sec .. what did you get valdyn? |
| 10:13.54 | valdyn | Tapout: umm |
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| 10:14.00 | valdyn | Tapout: read bings output , not iptraf |
| 10:14.02 | Tapout | btw .. you guys gotta get the sound proof case.. can't hear anything from it :) |
| 10:14.28 | Tapout | it's only printed out 5 lines so far.. i was watching iptraf to just see |
| 10:14.29 | Tapout | 192.168.0.1: 93.091Mbps 0.011ms 0.010742us/bit |
| 10:14.29 | Tapout | 192.168.0.1: 64.000Mbps 0.016ms 0.015625us/bit |
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| 10:14.48 | valdyn | Tapout: abort it, Ctrl-C |
| 10:14.48 | hooya | there used to be a utility that would tell you what program had a particular file open. does anyone know what the utility was? |
| 10:14.50 | Tapout | that's with .. bing 192.168.0.134 192.168.0.1 .. not bad |
| 10:14.56 | xingu | Tapout: what's 192.168.0.1's 5s loadav? |
| 10:15.07 | Tapout | xingu, it's my router |
| 10:15.11 | AussieHatter | what is the dpkg command to reinstall a package including its config files ? |
| 10:15.11 | xingu | no kidding |
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| 10:15.14 | nfsnobody | right, now that that's done... can anyone recommend a good tutorial for using dovecot, postfix, and mysql? :D |
| 10:15.18 | Tapout | dlink cheap one, can't see load |
| 10:15.23 | |zeal| | morning |
| 10:15.23 | xingu | bin it |
| 10:15.24 | xingu | :) |
| 10:15.36 | zealo | morning |
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| 10:16.15 | Tapout | valdyn, so far no errors reported when using the latest sid kernel on lenny .. might be able to plug this thing in downstairs and set-it-forget-it :) |
| 10:16.30 | zealo | could anyone tell me where I can find the doc for struct of debian repository? |
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| 10:16.35 | valdyn | Tapout: neat |
| 10:16.59 | Tapout | valdyn, how is it possible to run sid kernel on lenny.. are binaries independant of the kernel? I thought they were linked into the kernel somehow.. |
| 10:17.04 | valdyn | zealo: i doubt that is documented anywhere really |
| 10:17.11 | hooya | how do i find out which program has a particular file open? |
| 10:17.13 | valdyn | Tapout: no |
| 10:17.28 | Tapout | it's something like.. lsof |
| 10:17.31 | Tapout | or losf |
| 10:17.32 | Tapout | or something |
| 10:17.39 | xingu | the really evil thing about bandwidth estimation is that we're pushing picosecond forwarding delay in the fabric but it takes an order of magnitude greater than that to get the frame up to the route processer and into its socket buffer |
| 10:17.40 | hooya | Tapout: that's it. thanks. |
| 10:17.40 | icedtea | hooya: apt-get install lsof; lsof | grep programbinary |
| 10:17.41 | Tapout | lsof i thnk |
| 10:17.53 | valdyn | Tapout: the interface kernel <-> userspace gets additions, it does not get changes to existing stuff, basically |
| 10:18.03 | zealo | oh, I read the debian-policy and new maintainer's guide, but none mentioned the struct of a debian repo |
| 10:18.23 | Tapout | valdyn, ah so once the protocol is established, they build on to it, but don't break it .. i see :) |
| 10:18.27 | godling|laptop | lsof is one of the coolest utilities |
| 10:18.29 | xingu | so mostly what you end up measuring is fabric->rp delays and then the performance of the rp's memory bus |
| 10:18.35 | godling|laptop | *ever coded |
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| 10:19.02 | valdyn | Tapout: right, theres exceptions, but they only will hit you if userspace and kernel are of very different age |
| 10:19.04 | Tapout | xingu, come visit me with your routers and stuff and teach me .. i need one of these network fellas to hang out for a day or two.. that's all it'd take and i'd be up to speed.. :) |
| 10:19.33 | Tapout | valdyn, makes so much sense.. I'm just used to freebsd, where you buildworld,buildkernel, reboot :) |
| 10:19.38 | Tapout | all has to be in sync kinda |
| 10:19.53 | valdyn | Tapout: i would think its like in debian |
| 10:20.08 | valdyn | Tapout: because we _are_ strictly speaking the patch recommended and supported by debian |
| 10:20.15 | valdyn | Tapout: i just know it works, its unsupported |
| 10:20.22 | zealo | is there any other irc channels dedicated to devel ? |
| 10:20.24 | valdyn | s/patch/path/ |
| 10:20.47 | Tapout | valdyn, check this out.. i'm good now i think |
| 10:20.47 | Tapout | bytes out in dup loss rtt (ms): min avg max std dev |
| 10:20.47 | Tapout | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.47 | Tapout | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:21.01 | Tapout | 3 lines is flood? sheesh |
| 10:21.08 | zealo | Tapout: yeah |
| 10:21.11 | zealo | ;) |
| 10:21.23 | Tapout | commies, used to be like 6-7 on irc.. :) |
| 10:21.46 | turneralex | Tapout: it's a busy channel |
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| 10:22.42 | turneralex | Hey, I just installed Tomcat as a dependency to Openbravo, and when the Openbravo installer asks for the location of the Tomcat installation I supply it as /etc/tomcat5.5 and the installer believes that, that is NOT the installation directory. Is it hidden anywhere. I've done a whereis tomcat and tried the results with no luck. Any ideas? |
| 10:22.57 | Tapout | would the assumption be for badblock'n a drive that a read-only test would find badblocks anyways? |
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| 10:23.58 | Tapout | turneralex, my guess would be you do something like ... dpkg -L tomcat .. eyeball a directory with lotsa files, and use that.. /etc/* is config |
| 10:24.09 | Tapout | that's a stab in the dark, u get knifed not my fault :) |
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| 10:24.16 | Tapout | if you get knifed.. i shouldn't use "u' |
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| 10:25.55 | zorro | ciao |
| 10:25.56 | godling|laptop | Tapout: In the same vein, 'n != ing |
| 10:26.02 | zorro | !list |
| 10:26.02 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to zorro |
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| 10:26.15 | godling|laptop | haha |
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| 10:27.05 | sordith | Tapout: think about it. with more than 700 people on a channel, when only 1% of the people paste 3 lines, what happens then |
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| 10:30.05 | Tapout | sordith, hitler storms france? I dunno, Alex Trebec, I'm all out of ideas :) |
| 10:30.37 | sordith | Tapout: that was the dumbest reaction to a peaceful reminder in a long time |
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| 10:31.05 | Tapout | all lighten up, ease up .. :) |
| 10:31.08 | Jonah | hey guys can anyone help me out. i used the net install cd, only it didn't pick up my wireless card from graphical installer so i've ended up with with a minimal base system, and now i want to install kde and login but can i get the stuff with my wireless? |
| 10:31.12 | perlmonkey | I'm getting tons of perl errors after a sys upgrade :-/ Error executing class callback in init stage: Undefined subroutine &Scalar::Util::weaken called at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/CGI/Application/Plugin/Authentication.pm line 1543. |
| 10:31.36 | Tapout | perl -MCPAN -e shell install Scalar::Util |
| 10:31.39 | Tapout | perhaps |
| 10:31.44 | perlmonkey | thanks Tapout |
| 10:32.07 | Tapout | what I do is : cd /base/path ; find . -name "*.pl" -exec perl -c {} \; |
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| 10:32.32 | Tapout | watch for missing modules, and go into perl -MCPAN -e shell .. install 'em.. if you have troubles, some modules are supported with apt* |
| 10:32.59 | perlmonkey | Tapout: Scalar::Util is up to date (1.19). |
| 10:33.00 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.12 | perlmonkey | seems like something is badly screwed up somewhere :-/ |
| 10:33.29 | perlmonkey | [Sun Mar 09 10:28:26 2008] [error] [client 192.168.1.2] Weak references are not implemented in the version of perl at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/CGI/FormBuilder.pm line 15 |
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| 10:34.02 | Tapout | force install Scalar::Util |
| 10:34.03 | Tapout | :) |
| 10:34.04 | Tapout | i dunno |
| 10:34.08 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 10:34.41 | perlmonkey | sheesh. force install LOADS of errors |
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| 10:37.53 | xingu | perlmonkey: rebuild scalar::util |
| 10:38.07 | perlmonkey | xingu: it won't let me |
| 10:38.13 | pumpkin0 | [lenny] After suspend-to-ram and wakeup everything works fine except the auto-repeat key function (press and hold a key) under X can that be reenabled w/o restarting X ? |
| 10:39.11 | perlmonkey | is there anyway to undo an upgrade and go back to an earlier version of perl? |
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| 10:40.09 | xingu | perlmonkey: what does `which perl` say? |
| 10:40.27 | perlmonkey | it says /usr/bin/perl |
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| 10:40.45 | xingu | perlmonkey: right, so try /usr/local/bin/perl -MCPAN -e shell install Scalar::Util |
| 10:40.50 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 10:43.46 | Tapout | i always just .. cd /usr/bin ; mv perl perl.old ; ln -s ... works for me, dunno side effects tho |
| 10:44.11 | Corty | re |
| 10:44.47 | Jonah | i hoped the graphical installer would ask if i used eth or wlan and then ask for a key and SSID or whatever but instead just said it couldn't connect and now i'm stuck with a prompt |
| 10:45.43 | liable | Jonah: very few cards are supported out of the box for wireless |
| 10:45.59 | liable | Jonah: even if your card is in mainline it prolly needs firmware |
| 10:46.28 | liable | whcich the installer cant have as its not free |
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| 10:46.41 | Jonah | liable, killer. my card is rt6qpci chipset, looks like back to fedora again. fedora seems to be the only thing that works with my wireless, ubuntu etc don't work. |
| 10:47.32 | liable | Jonah: if you can get past install stage with ethernet, you should be able to get it working |
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| 10:48.26 | Jonah | liable, i don't have any ethernet on wireless so looks like i will have to go back to fedora. oh well i was only trying it for a change and also thought i'd be able to put kde4 on quite cleanly from sid |
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| 10:48.37 | perlmonkey | how do I see my path |
| 10:48.50 | liable | Jonah: oh well |
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| 10:50.32 | Jonah | thanks for the help, see you guys |
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| 10:52.21 | heiner | When I ugrade to new versions of packages using "apt-get", how can I get a list of the new features of the packages? I do *not* want to see the Debian changes to the package format, but the upstream information |
| 10:52.43 | azeem | heiner: upstream information isn't standardized |
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| 10:53.14 | valdyn | heiner: /usr/share/doc/Changelog[.gz] |
| 10:53.22 | valdyn | heiner: /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/Changelog[.gz] |
| 10:54.14 | azeem | and /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/NEWS.gz |
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| 10:54.41 | azeem | but there is no parser available to present what changed since the version you're upgrading from |
| 10:54.50 | heiner | valdyn: looks promising. Is there already a tool for displaying the information? I'd prefer to see the output after "apt-get" instead of having to iterate over all packages myself |
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| 10:55.02 | nfsnobody | hmmm, ok, can anyone recommend to me a nice simple clean pop3 auther/server, than allows you to add virtual domains/users via mysql? :P |
| 10:55.10 | valdyn | heiner: debian does not relayout the upstream changelog |
| 10:55.11 | nfsnobody | dovecot has almost no documentation =/ |
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| 10:55.20 | valdyn | nfsnobody: what the hell |
| 10:55.26 | nfsnobody | what? :P |
| 10:55.27 | valdyn | nfsnobody: only like a huge amount of documentation |
| 10:55.34 | heiner | "apt-listchanges --which=news" doesn't list anything for me |
| 10:55.37 | nfsnobody | well, not not that I understand =/ |
| 10:55.41 | nfsnobody | SQL auth wise anyway |
| 10:55.45 | nfsnobody | the pop3 server side of things works fine |
| 10:55.52 | nfsnobody | but when I switch to mysql auth, I have issues =/ |
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| 10:56.33 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 10:56.48 | valdyn | nfsnobody: http://wiki.dovecot.org/AuthDatabase/SQL |
| 10:56.48 | nfsnobody | hmmm, can courier do what I want? =/ |
| 10:56.59 | nfsnobody | I've got that open already valdyn :P |
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| 10:57.03 | DukeDrake | I'm running e2fsck and it hangs checking the directory structure. ??? |
| 10:57.16 | valdyn | DukeDrake: why do you think its hanging? |
| 10:57.20 | perlmonkey | I've just did a dist-upgrade (testing) which has badly broken my system, is there any chance going to stable will fix it? |
| 10:57.30 | valdyn | perlmonkey: no |
| 10:57.32 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 10:57.42 | nfsnobody | wait... I may have found my issue... I'll probably need a userdatabase... :P |
| 10:57.44 | nfsnobody | 2 secs. :P |
| 10:58.02 | DukeDrake | valdyn: don't know ... it's an external USB hdd. |
| 10:58.07 | perlmonkey | I'm sick of these problems, every time I do an upgrade everything breaks and I have to start over... its like if you don't update regularly and keep ontop of dist releases you end up screwed |
| 10:58.08 | nfsnobody | is userdb defined in dovecot.conf or dovecot-sql.conf? =/ |
| 10:58.20 | valdyn | DukeDrake: so wait and let it finish |
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| 10:58.39 | valdyn | nfsnobody: grep ? |
| 10:58.44 | nfsnobody | good point :P |
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| 10:59.12 | nfsnobody | and dovecot.conf it is ^_^ |
| 10:59.13 | DukeDrake | It says something like "found file 'xyz' in " and then stops |
| 10:59.39 | valdyn | DukeDrake: define "stops" |
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| 11:00.43 | DukeDrake | Well .. it ought to print out a directory after "found file 'xyz' in" , right? |
| 11:01.04 | DukeDrake | ok, got a USB timenout thingie and it's running on now |
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| 11:05.00 | heiner | How can I set a search preference order for manual page sections for "man"? Example: "man chmod" should first return matches from section 2 (system calls), then section 1 (commands) |
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| 11:07.30 | PoliticianNEW | Does anybody know how to get the "FreeSans" font in debian? |
| 11:07.42 | perlmonkey | would could cause make not to be able to build Scalar::Utils? |
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| 11:10.34 | liable | PoliticianNEW: maybe a part of msstcorefonts? |
| 11:10.37 | liable | non-free |
| 11:10.45 | PythonNi1ja | how best to find out what is using a disk (if i'm getting "device is busy" when i try to umount) |
| 11:10.47 | PoliticianNEW | ok |
| 11:10.50 | PoliticianNEW | thanks |
| 11:11.09 | heiner | PythonNi1ja: fuser(1) |
| 11:11.18 | PythonNi1ja | ty heiner |
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| 11:15.31 | DukeDrake | ext2 is not a good filesystem, is it? |
| 11:17.18 | azeem | it doesn't have journalling |
| 11:17.22 | azeem | otherwise, it's mostly fine |
| 11:17.24 | ApEtc | It's acceptable |
| 11:17.28 | ApEtc | But ext3 is a finer choice |
| 11:17.50 | perlmonkey | Can't exec "/usr/bin/make": No such file or directory at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 7198. |
| 11:18.02 | perlmonkey | what gives? |
| 11:18.10 | DukeDrake | is there a tutorial or more info on filesystems? |
| 11:18.17 | liable | you dont have make? |
| 11:19.07 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 11:29.14 | wols | !tell perlmonkey about build-essential |
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| 11:31.23 | perlmonkey | wolls thanks |
| 11:31.49 | perlmonkey | I always do my modules in cpan to get the latest and freshest code |
| 11:32.00 | perlmonkey | I dunno if that's a good or bad practice |
| 11:32.38 | perlmonkey | it seems some modules take a while to filter thru to packages eh |
| 11:33.18 | wols | depends how you install them |
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| 11:33.27 | wols | I guess simply wgettng and compiling them which is bad |
| 11:33.44 | valdyn | perlmonkey: you should use dh_make_perl on debian |
| 11:33.59 | turneralex_ | Hey guys. In debian, where are the Postgresql binaries located |
| 11:34.00 | valdyn | perlmonkey: which utilises cpan to generate proper debian packages |
| 11:34.31 | loca|host | i've installed debian on usb stick, and got it staring with US keyboard, i've updated locales to get FR, but keyboard still US, i think it's in the built initrd, anyone know how to change that ? |
| 11:34.58 | valdyn | loca|host: what the hell has keyboard layout to do with initrd? |
| 11:35.10 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 11:35.10 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 11:35.15 | perlmonkey | valdyn: aha |
| 11:36.03 | perlmonkey | what does andromeda mean |
| 11:36.14 | loca|host | valdyn, i thought it was, because on first starting grub and editing the kernel params, i get an US keyboard set |
| 11:36.31 | perlmonkey | are any of you guys aliens |
| 11:36.32 | loca|host | and that have nothing to do with debian, it's on initrd |
| 11:36.37 | valdyn | loca|host: that is only the bootloader |
| 11:37.02 | valdyn | loca|host: boot loader loads the initrd, its not setup by the initrd |
| 11:37.09 | perlmonkey | openssl is kicking my ass |
| 11:37.28 | loca|host | ok |
| 11:37.32 | loca|host | thank you valdyn |
| 11:37.34 | perlmonkey | browser says: cannot connect, server is using older insecure ssl |
| 11:37.57 | valdyn | loca|host: this means that grubs keyboard layout should be set in /boot/grub/menu.lst, if its even possible |
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| 11:38.26 | loca|host | and for console, i'll use console-data |
| 11:38.29 | loca|host | right ? |
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| 11:40.07 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:40.20 | Ace2016 | how do i check the fan status? i wish to increase its speed |
| 11:40.50 | perlmonkey | Firefox can't connect securely to host because the site uses an older, insecure version of SSL protocol... wtf? latest openssl package is insecure? |
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| 11:42.14 | mbroeker | which url, perlmonkey I want to see this message too. I haven't seen it... |
| 11:43.41 | perlmonkey | /notice mbroeker https://www.magnia.net |
| 11:43.44 | perlmonkey | oops |
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| 11:44.13 | mbroeker | cool, perlmonkey |
| 11:44.55 | perlmonkey | can you see that weird msg? |
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| 11:45.24 | mbroeker | yes translated to german. and it's the first time, that i can see this... |
| 11:45.30 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 11:45.35 | wols | perlmonkey: site uses ssl1 probably |
| 11:45.38 | perlmonkey | so im insecure eh |
| 11:45.48 | wols | no, the SITE is insecure |
| 11:45.52 | wols | read |
| 11:46.17 | perlmonkey | but how can it be? I installed openssl and followed the correct procedures for making a certificate |
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| 11:46.22 | loca|host | i have a strange situation |
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| 11:46.46 | loca|host | on my dmesg, it says i got an eth0 interface, but when starting network, it says eth0 .... no such device |
| 11:46.47 | wols | perlmonkey: is it your site? |
| 11:46.48 | perlmonkey | what does the site have to do with anything? |
| 11:46.50 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 11:47.00 | wols | loca|host: that is not stragen. udev. |
| 11:47.04 | wols | !tell loca|host about z45 |
| 11:47.12 | wols | perlmonkey: you made a ssl v1 cert for the site |
| 11:47.19 | perlmonkey | sheesh :( |
| 11:47.31 | wols | !tell loca|host about z25 |
| 11:48.39 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.08 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.36 | loca|host | wols, i understand it's mapping the device to its name using the mac address, i have a usbstick debian based wich i connect to any pc, how to get it dynamic |
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| 11:52.20 | wols | readthe fatoid |
| 11:52.52 | loca|host | fatoid ? |
| 11:53.11 | wols | *factoid |
| 11:53.50 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 11:53.55 | perlmonkey | still insecure |
| 11:54.29 | perlmonkey | wols: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~brams006/selfsign.html <-- is this doc/procedure out of date? |
| 11:55.22 | PoliticianNEW_ | I've installed msttfcorefonts but I still haven't got FreeSans |
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| 11:56.33 | Arelis | How do i record the sound my computer makes (music i play, for example) to a file? (Equivalent to recording the WAVE-output on Windows) |
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| 11:58.55 | szymon | Audiocity |
| 11:59.01 | szymon | for example |
| 11:59.19 | Arelis | can't i do it with something simple like cat /dev/audio > music.wav ?? |
| 11:59.22 | roxazer | en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 11:59.22 | roxazer | en_US@euro ISO-8859-15 |
| 11:59.32 | roxazer | is that english with swedish keyboard? |
| 11:59.38 | roxazer | english system |
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| 12:00.11 | Kda | hi all! please, help me, I don't have much time to google, the question is: does linux disable caching of file when this file is used by more than one program? windows does so, what about linux? |
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| 12:00.27 | Tapout | anyone remember what ya gotta do to get auto-port sensing+dhcp setup? I forgot what i did |
| 12:00.35 | Tapout | maybe dhclient, gonna check my other machine, but hopefully someone knows |
| 12:01.00 | perlmonkey | why is apache2-ssl-certificate missing in debian's package for openssl? |
| 12:03.28 | turneralex_ | anyone know what the pgsql admin password is? |
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| 12:04.00 | theatro | god, love, money |
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| 12:04.51 | pablo | hi, my system clock backwards (dont know if it is the right expresion), should i solve it with an ntp server? |
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| 12:05.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | pablo, probably |
| 12:07.00 | pablo | Kamping_Kaiser: is this something common, or my system may have a problem? |
| 12:07.27 | wols | ApEtc: hwclock --show |
| 12:07.33 | wols | pablo: hwlock --show |
| 12:07.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | pablo, depends how badly its drifting |
| 12:07.37 | wols | pablo: hwclock --show |
| 12:07.44 | wols | Kamping_Kaiser: depends IF it's drifting |
| 12:07.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | wols, true |
| 12:08.33 | pablo | which is the package conteining hwclock? |
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| 12:08.38 | azeem | pablo: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:08.42 | wols | you already have it installed |
| 12:08.48 | wols | azeem: hwclock is base |
| 12:09.15 | pablo | wols: dom 09 mar 2008 10:03:05 ARST -0.011191 segundos |
| 12:09.22 | wols | azeem: and that --directisa should REALLY bee fixed |
| 12:09.31 | wols | pablo: where do you live? what timezone? |
| 12:09.46 | pablo | wols: -2 |
| 12:09.53 | wols | k then |
| 12:10.14 | azeem | wols: the what? |
| 12:10.19 | pablo | wols: yes only 5 minutes, but i have fixed it some weeks ago |
| 12:11.07 | wols | azeem: on a lot of current hardware hwclock --hctosys doesn't work, so it won't set the system clock on bootup properly. it need hwclock --directisa --hctosys |
| 12:11.24 | wols | pablo: that's nto a big drift but yes use ntp |
| 12:11.25 | azeem | uh, ok |
| 12:11.37 | azeem | I'm not responsible for that, sorry, file a bug |
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| 12:12.06 | wols | azeem: problem is I don't experience the bug but various people in here already did |
| 12:12.26 | pablo | wols: thx |
| 12:12.32 | wols | it's hardware/chipset dependent |
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| 12:15.00 | perlmonkey | is 4096 bits secure enough for SSL? |
| 12:15.07 | turneralex_ | sure |
| 12:15.11 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 12:15.26 | perlmonkey | does the pass phrase need to be long or doesn't it matter |
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| 12:16.15 | Arelis | is this dangerous?: cat /dev/audio | aplay |
| 12:18.52 | CharminTheMoose | Arelis, probably not, but it'd probably grate your ears |
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| 12:19.22 | Arelis | underrun!!! (at least 19,929 ms long) |
| 12:19.22 | Arelis | Aborted by signal Onderbreken... |
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| 12:19.33 | perlmonkey | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargggggggghhh openSSL is kicking my ass |
| 12:19.55 | perlmonkey | 5 hrs, 73723 install attempts, and still "insecure site" |
| 12:21.05 | wols | !insanity |
| 12:21.05 | dpkg | i guess insanity is something you acquire from using windoze, or doing the same thing over and over expecting different results |
| 12:21.06 | Arelis | CharminTheMoose: ouch. this one does: cat /dev/dsp > /dev/audio |
| 12:21.45 | perlmonkey | :( |
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| 12:22.26 | perlmonkey | what am I doing wrong? I don't get it, I've followed several different howtos and the procedure seems pretty much the same |
| 12:22.39 | Tapout | anyone know how to get dhcp to run when you unplug the rj45 and plug it back in? |
| 12:22.45 | sepski | perlmonkey, where do you see "insecure site" |
| 12:22.50 | Tapout | i've done it before .. a long time ago, but forget what in hell i did |
| 12:22.53 | Arelis | CharminTheMoose: what i'm wanting to do, though, is record the music i'm playing with /dev/<something>. What device? |
| 12:23.40 | perlmonkey | sepski: browse pops up a warning window |
| 12:23.43 | perlmonkey | *browser |
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| 12:23.53 | pablo | wols: ntp fixes the hour, but hwclock shows the same |
| 12:23.58 | perlmonkey | woah |
| 12:24.01 | perlmonkey | I think I fixed it |
| 12:24.10 | wols | sepski: pablo that's normal |
| 12:24.31 | sepski | wols, ? |
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| 12:24.42 | perlmonkey | the msg was caused by the VirtualHost name method, I was using * instead of actual hostname |
| 12:24.47 | pablo | wols: can the hardware clock also be fixed with ntp? |
| 12:24.49 | sepski | perlmonkey, well what certificate did you use ? |
| 12:24.58 | wols | sepski: he created a sslv1 cert which ffox didn't like |
| 12:25.20 | sepski | you have to either 1: deploy your ca certificate to all browsers. or 2: buy a server certificate from a ca that's allready in all the browsers |
| 12:25.31 | perlmonkey | wols: that's not the cause |
| 12:25.31 | perlmonkey | sepski: I generated a 4096 bit certificate and self-signed by creating my own CA |
| 12:25.41 | Tapout | IFPLUGD!! |
| 12:25.44 | Tapout | SON OF A @#$ |
| 12:26.03 | perlmonkey | sepski: the problem was nothing to do with the cert or signing or openssl, it was apache config |
| 12:26.11 | sepski | perlmonkey, personaly i use cacert.org free certificates and deploy cacert root certs sitewide. for things that are not for the public. but for public sites i'm on a thawte cert |
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| 12:26.27 | perlmonkey | this is quite misleading msg from browser, it indicates the problem is with the SSL implementation |
| 12:26.36 | perlmonkey | but its actually the virtualhost config |
| 12:26.42 | sepski | perlmonkey, and you add the CA cert to your browser as a certificate authority ? |
| 12:26.50 | perlmonkey | no need |
| 12:26.52 | nfsnobody | ok, I'm progressing now... I can make virtual aliases and log into the mailbox via dovecot.... can anyone tell me how to redirect all incoming mail to a paticular folder (instead of /home/user/Maildir or w/e), dependant on email address they're attempting to use? |
| 12:27.05 | nfsnobody | I believe postfix would be the program I'm using that decides where the mail goes? |
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| 12:27.20 | perlmonkey | i should write my own howto with troubleshooter |
| 12:27.30 | perlmonkey | 5 hrs will not be wasted ;-) |
| 12:27.54 | sepski | perlmonkey, your saying you can have a selfsigned cert and NOT have it show a warning (not even the first time) in IE ? |
| 12:28.09 | perlmonkey | I just connected and now theres the usual window saying... |
| 12:28.22 | perlmonkey | Unable to verify identifiy of host |
| 12:28.41 | perlmonkey | the certificate is not recognised by browser (other reasons) |
| 12:28.58 | perlmonkey | accept this certificate for this session | always | not at all etc |
| 12:29.03 | perlmonkey | I guess it's working now |
| 12:29.31 | perlmonkey | becuz I'm self CA, it doesn't know or trust me eh |
| 12:29.48 | sepski | that's the window that you avoid if you have a certificate signed from a preauthoriced ca |
| 12:29.54 | sepski | yeah |
| 12:29.55 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 12:30.10 | perlmonkey | I don't want to be signed tho and pay $$$ |
| 12:30.17 | perlmonkey | I want to do the signing myself |
| 12:30.28 | sepski | cacert.org or do it as you do it now |
| 12:30.35 | perlmonkey | ok thanks |
| 12:30.55 | sepski | cacert should get a rich sponsor to pay the protection racket to have it's certs included in major browsers |
| 12:31.04 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 12:31.56 | perlmonkey | If you pay to be signed by a trusted CA, can you then sign other certs for other hosts? |
| 12:32.01 | pablo | wols: can the hardware clock also be fixed with ntp? or it is not recommended? |
| 12:32.01 | perlmonkey | or will the same window appear |
| 12:32.06 | sepski | but i guess verisign and thawte and co would work quite hard to stop such a thing. imagine free encryption, anachy and terorists etc etc etc |
| 12:32.15 | perlmonkey | true |
| 12:32.18 | nfsnobody | hmmm... anyone know what this would mean? =/ |
| 12:32.19 | sepski | perlmonkey, if you pay enoughf..... |
| 12:32.20 | nfsnobody | Mar 9 22:17:13 m00 sm-mta[13056]: NOQUEUE: SYSERR(root): hash map "access": missing map file /etc/mail/access.db: No such file or directory |
| 12:32.28 | nfsnobody | isn't sm-mta linked to sendmail? |
| 12:32.45 | perlmonkey | sepski: so the solution really is for someone just to establish their own CA which (in time) will be as trusted as others |
| 12:32.59 | sepski | nfsnobody, do you have a /etc/mail/access ? if so just do the makemap thingy |
| 12:33.09 | perlmonkey | sepski: I want to take up the challenge |
| 12:33.13 | nfsnobody | I tried running makemap, but I don't have the script for it :P |
| 12:33.18 | perlmonkey | I will provide a new FREE CA authority |
| 12:33.19 | nfsnobody | -su: makemap: command not found |
| 12:33.24 | sepski | perlmonkey, isn't that basicaly what cacert is trying ? |
| 12:33.28 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 12:33.44 | sepski | problem is you have to bribe m$ to get your root ca into the browser. |
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| 12:33.50 | perlmonkey | ah |
| 12:34.01 | perlmonkey | what about firefox? |
| 12:34.25 | nfsnobody | that's the tricky thing about non profits, no-one to bribe :P |
| 12:34.37 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 12:35.16 | sepski | perlmonkey, aptitude install ca-certificates |
| 12:35.24 | sepski | ofcourse not on windows.. |
| 12:35.25 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 12:36.08 | perlmonkey | my site is now secured |
| 12:36.10 | Trewas | firefox3 has a new highly annoying feature with untrusted certificates, you must add an exception for each untrusted one before you can visit the site |
| 12:36.47 | nfsnobody | hmmm, should makemap be included with postfix? =/ |
| 12:37.09 | mavhc | if you're free how will you cover the cost of verifying the owners of the certificates? |
| 12:37.48 | sepski | perlmonkey, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215243 if your realy interested in the longish story about cacert certs in firefox |
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| 12:37.58 | perlmonkey | yes I'm interested |
| 12:38.01 | perlmonkey | thanks :) |
| 12:38.02 | rabby | hi |
| 12:38.11 | rabby | how to remove tor from the autostarts list? |
| 12:38.13 | perlmonkey | well |
| 12:38.20 | perlmonkey | you could make a small charge to cover admin costs? |
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| 12:38.25 | perlmonkey | (mavhc) |
| 12:38.48 | perlmonkey | but these fees charged by the likes of VeriSign are outrageous, specially for small non-profit sites |
| 12:38.54 | perlmonkey | its prohibitively expensive |
| 12:39.10 | wols | !tell rabby about rcconf |
| 12:39.16 | sepski | perlmonkey, the admin costs are little compared to the yearly protection racket you have to pay to get your cert in IE |
| 12:39.21 | nfsnobody | hmmm, does anyone know what access.db is anyway? =/ |
| 12:39.25 | perlmonkey | :( |
| 12:39.30 | nfsnobody | in the sense of postfix/sendmail... |
| 12:39.34 | perlmonkey | sepski: how much are these costs? |
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| 12:39.37 | sepski | nfsnobody, the hashmap of the access file |
| 12:39.46 | sepski | perlmonkey, read on the cacert page it's there somewhere |
| 12:39.47 | nfsnobody | allowing different hosts to relay you mean? =/ |
| 12:39.53 | perlmonkey | ok *reads* |
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| 12:41.33 | sepski | nfsnobody, yes.. or deny them |
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| 12:42.00 | nfsnobody | hmmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but all mail coming into any host on my server will need to come through Postfix? |
| 12:42.06 | wols | nfsnobody: with postfix you need to configure smtpd-auth tho |
| 12:42.16 | wols | yes |
| 12:42.25 | nfsnobody | i.e. I host mail.example.com, and the mx records point to me, so bob@example.com sending from mail.gmail.com - mail.gmail.com would need to be on my allow list? |
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| 12:42.32 | nfsnobody | or can I just allow a wildcard, and block individuals? |
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| 12:44.32 | perlmonkey | sepski: I agree with David Kaufman entirely |
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| 12:45.17 | perlmonkey | too much trust has been granted to these commercial CA authorities or reliance on them and that's how we are in this situation |
| 12:46.03 | abrotman | perlmonkey: did you fix your system ? |
| 12:46.09 | perlmonkey | we need a more decentralised approach where people can trust various organisations and individual companies themselves, the emphasis should be on the user to establish their own trust |
| 12:46.17 | perlmonkey | abrotman ya |
| 12:47.25 | perlmonkey | abrotman: I was missing make (doh) and so some perl modules (notably Scalar::Util) could not be compiled and that was causing the problems in perl |
| 12:47.28 | FordCortina | ive got a button on my logitech mx620 mouse that opens a search window in GNOME (it sends some multimedia keypress). Does anybody know how to remap this to X windows paste? |
| 12:47.45 | sepski | perlmonkey, hence why we do keysinings at debian gatherings :) |
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| 12:47.52 | tadzik | hi guys |
| 12:47.54 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:47.58 | perlmonkey | sepski cool :) |
| 12:48.23 | tadzik | ive just installed debian lenny, without xwindows, and im missing something |
| 12:48.37 | tadzik | first of all, i cant find 'modprobe' |
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| 12:49.36 | sepski | was that a hit and run question ? |
| 12:50.04 | abrotman | at least he greeted us! |
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| 12:50.28 | sepski | abrotman, :) |
| 12:50.38 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 12:52.34 | Omelete | df15447 |
| 12:52.42 | Omelete | df15447123 |
| 12:53.24 | sepski | Omelete, your question makes little sense. please elaborate |
| 12:53.33 | sepski | :) |
| 12:53.41 | nfsnobody | lol |
| 12:54.00 | abrotman | !br |
| 12:54.00 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 12:54.07 | wols | abrotman: he probably found out he wasn't root when trying to run modprobe |
| 12:54.23 | abrotman | wols: and ran away embarrased ? |
| 12:54.37 | wols | hey, it's sunday! |
| 12:54.42 | nfsnobody | hmmm, when I try to run postfix, my syslog tells me there's something already listening on port 25, and when I telnet in, sendmail responds... does postfix run it's own program called "sendmail", or do I have them both installed and running? =/ |
| 12:54.59 | wols | you can't haev both installed |
| 12:55.02 | nfsnobody | =/ |
| 12:55.04 | nfsnobody | but I do.. |
| 12:55.19 | nfsnobody | root 3215 0.0 0.2 9372 2280 ? Ss 18:10 0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting connections |
| 12:55.20 | wols | nfsnobody: did install both of them from .deb packages? |
| 12:55.23 | nfsnobody | it's definiately running :P |
| 12:55.24 | nfsnobody | no, apt-get :P |
| 12:55.32 | nfsnobody | so technically yes I guess... :P |
| 12:55.35 | wols | then they can't be installed both |
| 12:55.37 | Omelete | sorry, was unintentionally |
| 12:55.49 | nfsnobody | if I do apt-get remove sendmail, will it break my postfix? =/ |
| 12:55.53 | nfsnobody | do they share any common files? |
| 12:56.01 | dererk | I don't think so |
| 12:56.06 | wols | nfsnobody: dpkg -l |grep sendmail and dpkg -l |grep postfix |
| 12:56.22 | wols | nfsnobody: yes they do share common files which is why you can't install them both |
| 12:56.34 | nfsnobody | right, how to I use the pastebot? :P |
| 12:56.42 | wols | !paste |
| 12:56.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:57.29 | nfsnobody | :) |
| 12:57.29 | nfsnobody | http://paste.debian.net/50780 |
| 12:57.58 | wols | no sendmail installed as you can plainly see |
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| 12:58.03 | wols | it once was but not anymore |
| 12:58.07 | nfsnobody | hmmm... |
| 12:58.11 | perlmonkey | No, I'm not; Duane has accurately portrayed my similar feelings on the matter. I'm not objected to paying a reasonable fee; I just object to being bent over a barrel and taken from behind by a company that quite frankly doesn't deserve my money. A number of corportate certificate issuers are, quite frankly, not worth the paper it'd use to print out their terms and conditions. |
| 12:58.13 | nfsnobody | but it's running... o_O |
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| 12:58.23 | perlmonkey | :-} |
| 12:58.51 | shyam_k` | does our text consoles as in C-M-f1 have a rendering engine to support complex text layout?;-) |
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| 12:58.59 | nfsnobody | how is that process running if sendmail isn't installed? =/ |
| 12:59.27 | abrotman | nfsnobody: ps `fuser -n tcp 25` |
| 12:59.56 | nfsnobody | never mind, I killed off the sendmail process :P |
| 12:59.59 | wols | perlmonkey: do you have a debian question? |
| 13:00.01 | nfsnobody | and started postfix from init.d |
| 13:00.03 | nfsnobody | now works o_O |
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| 13:00.19 | liable | killing sendmail is a good start |
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| 13:00.27 | nfsnobody | except it's 220ing back with the wrong hostname.... |
| 13:00.34 | nfsnobody | rexample.com instead of example.com =/ |
| 13:00.38 | nfsnobody | must be a type somewhere... |
| 13:00.44 | nfsnobody | typo* :P |
| 13:00.50 | perlmonkey | wols: yes, why isn't apache2-ssl-certificate script included in openssl package? |
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| 13:00.59 | nfsnobody | ah it is... <3 grep |
| 13:01.04 | abrotman | perlmonkey: make-ssl-cert |
| 13:01.23 | perlmonkey | oh thanks |
| 13:01.41 | nfsnobody | woot, and the mail I sent from gmail and timestamped for 2 hours ago has just come through |
| 13:01.44 | nfsnobody | #debian is sexy people <3 |
| 13:01.47 | ricardo | im having trouble with my MTA during start up it hangs for about 20 seconds. How do I stop this ? |
| 13:02.09 | shyam_k` | like if i want the text console to render my language having a complext text layout with some fonts..can i do that in text console? |
| 13:02.31 | shyam_k` | which in GUI is done by unicode fonts with pango correctly.. |
| 13:02.37 | abrotman | shyam_k`: you mean you want to use Zapf Chancery ? |
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| 13:03.32 | perlmonkey | am I not allowed to ask ssl related questions here? |
| 13:03.39 | perlmonkey | where is the best place for such questions? |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | that was a rant :) |
| 13:04.15 | perlmonkey | there seems to be some moderation going on |
| 13:04.27 | perlmonkey | things have got tighter since I was last here ;-) |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | hardly |
| 13:05.07 | perlmonkey | maybe wols just objected to my big paste from a website *apologies* |
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| 13:05.24 | tralalaptop | what's the dir for adding my own fonts? ~/.fonts? |
| 13:05.29 | perlmonkey | also OT discussion on CA's |
| 13:06.02 | shyam_k` | tralalaptop: /usr/share/fonts may be.. |
| 13:06.05 | wols | no I objected to you OT rant about evil ssl cert companies which is totally unrelated to debian support |
| 13:07.14 | bokey | perlmonkey, try #security |
| 13:07.32 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 13:07.38 | bokey | np |
| 13:08.20 | sepski | perlmonkey, apache2-ssl-certificate scrikpt is ouitdated it think its replaced by something called make-ssl-cert or something like that |
| 13:09.01 | perlmonkey | thanks sepski |
| 13:09.13 | shyam_k` | abrotman: means my language is being rendered perfectly with pango in gnome,i want to do that on a text console.. |
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| 13:09.29 | perlmonkey | why are certs only valid for 12 months? surely its better to have a cert issued for as long as possible to establish trust? |
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| 13:09.46 | abrotman | perlmonkey: you can make them valid for 12 years |
| 13:10.03 | perlmonkey | or am I missing the point? does it show the original issue date and all subsequent reissues? |
| 13:10.04 | abrotman | shyam_k`: which language? |
| 13:10.09 | perlmonkey | cool |
| 13:10.09 | shyam_k` | malayalam |
| 13:10.25 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 13:10.31 | shyam_k` | indic it is |
| 13:10.33 | abrotman | shyam_k`: what does it show in the console? |
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| 13:10.48 | perlmonkey | so, if your cert is issued for 1 year, and someone accepts it, when its expired they have to accept it again, and according to their browser it's a totally new cert? |
| 13:11.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:11.14 | perlmonkey | or would the browser know about the previous history of the cert? |
| 13:11.16 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:11.24 | shyam_k` | abrotman: hmm squares it seems..i see squares as the red shutdown message when locale is ml_IN |
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| 13:12.01 | perlmonkey | abrotman is 12 years the max? |
| 13:12.03 | abrotman | what is your full locale ? |
| 13:12.04 | sepski | perlmonkey, as long as the browser trust the CA that signed the certificate it should be ok with the renewed cert aswell |
| 13:12.10 | abrotman | perlmonkey: no .. i don't think there is a max |
| 13:12.15 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:12.32 | perlmonkey | I could do a test I guess and issue a cert for 1 day |
| 13:12.55 | perlmonkey | why dont we use certs in emails to stamp out phishing? |
| 13:12.56 | shyam_k` | abrotman: YES unicode malayalam is seen as squares now on tty text console.. |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | i'd guess the console font does UTF8 |
| 13:13.37 | perlmonkey | it's a wonder VeriSign hasnt jumped on that |
| 13:13.37 | sepski | perlmonkey, there are many schemes to stamp out spam. they all suffer the same problem... not enough market share. |
| 13:14.19 | sepski | perlmonkey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys |
| 13:14.35 | perlmonkey | but it would be quite simple to have all emails sent by banks and corps here signed by a key and certified so you can verify authenticity |
| 13:15.20 | sepski | perlmonkey, and we all use gpg signed email allready... but joe random does not |
| 13:15.36 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | we all ? |
| 13:15.43 | sepski | yes |
| 13:15.54 | perlmonkey | big companies need to pay £££ and have VeriSign or someone provide a solution eh |
| 13:16.01 | sepski | :) |
| 13:16.10 | abrotman | perlmonkey: to do what? be a verified mail source? |
| 13:16.15 | perlmonkey | yeah |
| 13:16.35 | abrotman | so then trojans evolve and use your defined smtp server .. |
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| 13:16.55 | perlmonkey | the problem is not everyone uses the same mail software, so any solution would have to be independent of the software |
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| 13:18.26 | sepski | perlmonkey, unfortunatly the spam problem is not easy... or it would have been fixed by nowe |
| 13:18.31 | perlmonkey | what you need is a signature on the email so you can verify its legitimate and then you click on a link and it takes you to the banks site and says if its valid or not |
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| 13:18.41 | shyam_k` | abrotman: what kind of fonts do console use? how can i change that? |
| 13:18.53 | perlmonkey | but i'm more on about fraud and fraudsters who try and fake emails by banks etc |
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| 13:19.30 | sepski | perlmonkey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework |
| 13:19.43 | abrotman | !console fonts |
| 13:19.43 | dpkg | If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command. The default font is default 8x*. |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | hrm .. maybe that doesn't help |
| 13:19.51 | perlmonkey | -O&O- |
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| 13:20.44 | sepski | perlmonkey, problem with all of the "solutions" is that it is a bitter pill. it sometimes breaks other features. and it adds load to server owners. instead of beeing an incentive to not buy "spamming services" |
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| 13:23.59 | sepski | it's good business to spam. couse joe random click on spam. it's good business to infect windows machines since you can sell spam services. it's unlikely that joe random stops clicking on spam. and a email stamp tax only hurts valid email anyway. |
| 13:24.06 | sepski | sorry for beeing OT :) |
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| 13:27.35 | perlmonkey | :-) |
| 13:27.38 | bokey | sepski, i think some people learnt that a long time ago. ;) |
| 13:28.02 | PythonNinja | perlmonkey! |
| 13:28.10 | perlmonkey | Ninja! |
| 13:28.16 | PythonNinja | s/,prtal/mortal/ |
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| 13:30.04 | rabby | init: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 13:30.08 | rabby | what's missing? |
| 13:30.37 | wols | !wayttd rabby |
| 13:30.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rabby? |
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| 13:32.24 | rabby | wols: init 6 or shutdown -r 0 etc |
| 13:32.37 | rabby | everything fails on the debian vps :( |
| 13:33.11 | wols | why would you want it to reboot? |
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| 13:33.21 | sepski | rabby, try dpkg-reconfigure initscripts |
| 13:33.33 | unenough | help! how do i control the fan on a toshiba laptop? A215 |
| 13:33.37 | wols | and of course you can't: it's a single kernel image for all the "VM"s. you cannot shut down the single kernel |
| 13:34.04 | wols | or all others VPSes on that machine would power down too. can't allow that |
| 13:34.23 | rabby | wols, i changed the rc.local and want to see if it works if the server goes down any time and restarts |
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| 13:34.42 | wols | "init 3" "init 3" |
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| 13:35.02 | sepski | rabby, ignore my suggestions that's only for a real machine |
| 13:35.11 | master_alvaro | hello |
| 13:35.29 | wols | rabby: I just explained why you can't do this |
| 13:35.43 | rabby | wols, so what can i do instead |
| 13:36.05 | wols | I told you too. why are you unable to read? |
| 13:36.06 | rabby | or how to test the rc.local script like it would on reboot |
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| 13:36.48 | master_alvaro | how to update packege by apt? i have openoffice 2.3 from testing, but i want 2.4 from sid; a have testing priority=900, and unstable=800 in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:37.05 | master_alvaro | sry for my bad English, but it isn't my native lang |
| 13:37.05 | wols | !tell master_alvaro about simple sid backport |
| 13:37.21 | master_alvaro | wols: i won't use backport |
| 13:37.33 | master_alvaro | i want to use apt-pinning |
| 13:37.37 | zamuro | master_alvaro Should I assume your mother language is Spanish? |
| 13:37.41 | rabby | wols, sorry, can not find rereading the chat |
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| 13:38.40 | master_alvaro | zamuro: no, polish |
| 13:38.50 | DustyBin | ive created a manual /etc/init.d/mythtvbackend file because i have compiled the software myself, how do i activate the init.d after a reboot so mythtv backend starts automatically? |
| 13:39.06 | wols | !tell DustyBin about runlevels |
| 13:40.10 | master_alvaro | wols: shoulld i write: apt-get -t unstable install openoffice.org? |
| 13:40.14 | master_alvaro | or what? |
| 13:40.17 | master_alvaro | update? |
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| 13:44.38 | DustyBin | manaye thanks |
| 13:44.41 | DustyBin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.26 | nfsnobody | hmmm, ok, I'm definitely making progress :). Now, can anyone tell me how to redirect mail that postfix receieves to certain folders? :P |
| 13:45.42 | nfsnobody | i.e. mail received for nfsnobody@example.com goes to /var/vmail/example.com/nfsnobody |
| 13:46.02 | nfsnobody | I've attempted google/docs, but I don't know how to word it to find what I want =/ |
| 13:46.30 | wols | nfsnobody: you need to be more specific |
| 13:46.36 | wols | what's your mail storage like? |
| 13:46.46 | nfsnobody | well that's part of the problem, I have no idea :P |
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| 13:46.56 | nfsnobody | I >think< it currently goes to /home/user/mail |
| 13:46.58 | wols | nfsnobody: workaround.org |
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| 13:49.19 | JordiGH | Where can I get an earlier package version? Are these things archived somewhere? I mean, a version between current etch and current lenny version. |
| 13:49.31 | wols | !tell JordiGH about sdn |
| 13:50.17 | JordiGH | Thanks. |
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| 13:50.30 | sordith | is known how much disk space is consumed by snapshot.debian.net? |
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| 13:52.00 | sepski | sordith, did you even bother visiting the site ? they have graphs on the front page |
| 13:52.44 | sepski | ofcourse loosing 2002-2005 saved disk i guess :) |
| 13:52.49 | sepski | or :( rather |
| 13:53.30 | sordith | maybe i am just too stupid, but from that graph i cant abstract how much disk space is used by the entire archive |
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| 13:55.39 | JordiGH | sordith: From the one that says "disk usage", you mean? http://snapshot.debian.net/du/du.png |
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| 13:55.44 | sepski | http://snapshot.debian.net/du/df.png |
| 13:56.01 | sordith | about 4TB in summer 2007, but for the entire archive of all available packages and all available versions? |
| 13:56.22 | JordiGH | sordith: The horizontal axis is time. The vertical axis is disk usage. |
| 13:56.35 | jvm | hi. /var/log/dmesg is automatically rotated on my system, but i don't understand why. logrotate runs once a day, but dmesg isn't mentioned in any of logrotates configuration files. who rotates it? |
| 13:57.04 | sordith | so you have to read the graph like "when the time of a sarge release was, when the time of the etch release was ..." |
| 13:57.49 | sepski | sordith, i read the graf as at 2008-03 its about 3750 GB |
| 13:58.07 | sepski | have no idea how you think summer 2007 tho |
| 13:58.30 | sepski | in may 2007 i see about 1500 GB |
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| 13:59.14 | sepski | looking at the shape of the graph i think they'll need more disk quite often |
| 13:59.27 | sordith | the last value on the X axis "08/07" means August 2007? |
| 13:59.31 | jelly-home | date is in YY/MM format |
| 13:59.49 | sordith | that would mean we have data for July 2008 already? |
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| 14:00.08 | sepski | it means the scale goes to july 2008 the red line is not there yet |
| 14:00.09 | jelly-home | sordith: do you see a drawn value for 08/07? |
| 14:00.22 | sepski | sordith, ... |
| 14:00.23 | sordith | i think i need to go back to middle school :-( |
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| 14:00.55 | sepski | either that or claim your drunk.. tiered.. under influence of shady substance.. |
| 14:01.02 | cahoot | jvm: looks like its' handled in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 14:01.04 | sepski | :) |
| 14:01.10 | sordith | no false claims, i simply suck :D |
| 14:01.13 | Jack_Sparrow | Hello.. is an op available, I have a quick question |
| 14:01.24 | jelly-home | others are prone to misreading the date as well, it seems <sepski> in may 2007 i see about 1500 GB |
| 14:01.26 | JordiGH | Looks like they're about to run out of space... |
| 14:01.36 | wols | Jack_Sparrow: never ask to ask |
| 14:01.42 | wols | Jack_Sparrow: and azeem was here not long ago |
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| 14:02.12 | Jack_Sparrow | Hi wols I wanted to know if a nick had been banned or disruptive |
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| 14:02.23 | wols | which one? |
| 14:02.26 | Jack_Sparrow | Preferd not to post in open channel |
| 14:02.36 | sordith | Jack_Sparrow: "/mode #debian b" will show you the ban list |
| 14:02.42 | Jack_Sparrow | thanks |
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| 14:03.25 | jvm | cahoot, thank you. |
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| 14:03.42 | JordiGH | Hm, what's interesting is that their df graph is smooth but their du graph isn't. |
| 14:03.48 | FordCortina | where do I find the list of keysyms for Xmodmap? |
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| 14:04.16 | JordiGH | Either their total storage space varies, or they can't draw graphs. |
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| 14:04.58 | cahoot | FordCortina: in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols? |
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| 14:05.20 | sepski | JordiGH, the du graph is the daily snapshot. |
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| 14:05.36 | JordiGH | FordCortina: Oh, man. xmodmap, eh? What are you trying to switch? If you're using Gnome, might be easier to just use one of the already built-in switches. You could also try xkeycaps for help. |
| 14:05.56 | jvm | what do i have to do so that logrotate rotates /var/mail.* and syslog? why wasn't this automatically configured? |
| 14:06.14 | FordCortina | i want to map the lame search button on my mouse which sends a keyboard keypress |
| 14:06.26 | FordCortina | and i want to to the X paste function |
| 14:06.32 | JordiGH | FordCortina: Does xkeycaps do it for you? |
| 14:06.32 | FordCortina | to do* |
| 14:06.45 | JordiGH | The X paste function should be Mouse Button 3. |
| 14:06.49 | JordiGH | Or 2. |
| 14:06.50 | sepski | jvm, if you mean /var/log/mail.log then mine is automaticaly rotated |
| 14:07.02 | master_alvaro | when i type in console: apt-get -t unstable install openoffice.org |
| 14:07.06 | master_alvaro | i have: |
| 14:07.16 | master_alvaro | openoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 1: 2.4.0~rc2-1) but 1:2.3.1-5 is to be installed |
| 14:07.17 | master_alvaro | why? |
| 14:07.19 | FordCortina | JordiGH: yes but that's always the whell |
| 14:07.22 | FordCortina | wheel |
| 14:07.25 | FordCortina | which is pain |
| 14:07.36 | master_alvaro | why it can't found depend? |
| 14:08.20 | JordiGH | master_alvaro: I think the OO.o packaging changed drastically between the two versions you want to install. Tell it to also install the unstable openoffice.org-core. |
| 14:08.28 | JordiGH | master_alvaro: And you probably should be using aptitude. |
| 14:08.32 | wols | master_alvaro: check openoffice.org-core with apt-cache policy |
| 14:08.36 | jvm | sepski, yes, i mean /var/log/mail.log. do you have some entry for your mail logs in /etc/logrotate.d/? |
| 14:09.01 | JordiGH | FordCortina: Right, you want to map Mouse Button 3 to that search button on your mouse. |
| 14:09.28 | FordCortina | JordiGH: yes i suppose, if that's they way you have to think about it |
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| 14:10.10 | gentgeen__ | anyone know where I might be able to get kqemu-modules for amd64 kernel ? |
| 14:10.13 | JordiGH | FordCortina: xev will tell you what button you want to remap. xkeycaps doesn't work for he mouse. |
| 14:10.24 | FordCortina | yeh |
| 14:11.33 | FordCortina | its keycode 229 |
| 14:11.43 | FordCortina | but how do i map it to the paste function |
| 14:11.53 | FordCortina | i dont know the keysym |
| 14:12.03 | JordiGH | Doesn't your mouse have a middle button? |
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| 14:12.24 | FordCortina | JordiGH: it has a wheel that you can click |
| 14:12.35 | JordiGH | That's the middle button. |
| 14:12.41 | FordCortina | yeh |
| 14:12.57 | FordCortina | i just i would prefer to use my other button for pasting |
| 14:13.17 | FordCortina | because sod's law is you slip the wheel and you paste in the wrong place |
| 14:13.19 | JordiGH | So figure out the middle button's keysym. |
| 14:13.31 | JordiGH | I never have that happen with my mice. |
| 14:13.35 | FordCortina | oh right |
| 14:13.56 | JordiGH | It's button 2. |
| 14:13.58 | JordiGH | Not 3. |
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| 14:18.51 | gentgeen__ | sorry, but late... but I I understand right, you just want to remap your mouse buttons? |
| 14:19.37 | cosmodad | how can I figure out all Debian packages that are installed on my system and have package foo as requirement? |
| 14:20.03 | cosmodad | I found apt-cache's rdepends, but it doesn't seem appropriate for locally installed packages. |
| 14:20.42 | gentgeen__ | You can switch mouse bottons around with ` xmodmap -e "pointer=3 2 1" ` |
| 14:20.53 | wols | try to remove the package and appt will tell you what stuff depends on it |
| 14:20.58 | gentgeen__ | That would be to make a left handed mouse for example |
| 14:22.03 | cosmodad | wols: that wouldn't give me the direct reverse dependencies, would it? |
| 14:22.04 | omnil | cosmodad: aptitude -> select foo -> Packages which depend on foo |
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| 14:23.03 | hark | cosmodad: --installed |
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| 14:23.53 | cosmodad | hark: where does this parameter belong to? |
| 14:25.07 | hark | cosmodad: apt-cache rdepends foo --installed |
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| 14:25.15 | FordCortina | JordiGH: i gave xmodmap, "keycode 229 = Pointer_Button2" |
| 14:25.24 | FordCortina | but its still not pasting |
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| 14:25.35 | cosmodad | hark: ah, perfect. |
| 14:25.36 | cosmodad | thanks all. |
| 14:26.15 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, you just want to switch mouse buttons? |
| 14:26.35 | gentgeen__ | (i.e. make button 3 paste instead of 2)? |
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| 14:26.55 | FordCortina | gentgeen__: yes but its not that simple i think, one of my mouse buttons sends a key press |
| 14:26.57 | JordiGH | FordCortina: Whatever gave you the idea that it was called Pointer_Button? |
| 14:27.03 | FordCortina | (the one i want to use for pasting) |
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| 14:27.16 | amphi | FordCortina: you want to use the second wheel as button 2? |
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| 14:27.20 | JordiGH | FordCortina: I can't see any reference to Pointer_Button in xmodmap(1) |
| 14:27.31 | FordCortina | JordiGH: i looked in a header file |
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| 14:28.28 | jvm | is it possible to replace syslog manually during runtime with an empty file? |
| 14:28.42 | FordCortina | JordiGH: cat /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h | grep -i button |
| 14:28.51 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, run "xmodmap -pp" to disply the current pointer mapping |
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| 14:29.14 | FordCortina | dpkg pastebing |
| 14:29.17 | FordCortina | dpkg pastebin |
| 14:29.17 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 14:30.24 | gentgeen__ | dpkg pastebin pipe |
| 14:30.27 | FordCortina | gentgeen__: >> button mapping >> http://rafb.net/p/IVnQus18.html |
| 14:31.04 | gentgeen__ | YOU HAVE 20 BUTTONS ON YOUR MOUSE!!! |
| 14:31.07 | FordCortina | nah |
| 14:31.14 | FordCortina | that's just the output |
| 14:31.18 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 14:31.32 | FordCortina | in short, default mappings |
| 14:31.34 | gentgeen__ | how many? and how many wheels? |
| 14:31.38 | FordCortina | lol |
| 14:31.40 | FordCortina | just one |
| 14:31.41 | Ace2016 | How do i stop laptop power management, i want to let bios handle the fans and stuff |
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| 14:31.59 | gentgeen__ | 1 wheel, 2 buttons = 5 buttons in linux |
| 14:32.04 | gentgeen__ | so my thougth would be |
| 14:32.06 | Ace2016 | i want the fans to spin faster, when i'm at grub the fans spin really fast, but shortly after getting into linux it really slows down |
| 14:32.20 | Ace2016 | 20 mouse button??? really? what mouse is it? |
| 14:32.22 | dvs | gentgeen__: the wheel is probably a button too. |
| 14:32.32 | gentgeen__ | right |
| 14:32.44 | Ace2016 | well the wheal is 3 buttons |
| 14:32.51 | Ace2016 | wheel up/down and middle click |
| 14:32.54 | gentgeen__ | xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 3 2 4 5" |
| 14:33.08 | Ace2016 | so what mouse is it? |
| 14:33.10 | JordiGH | Hm, how can I tell aptitude from the command line to do a full upgrade but not upgrade a few packages? |
| 14:33.16 | gentgeen__ | that would swithc your #2 and #3 buttons (i.e. the right button and the wheel "button" ) |
| 14:33.27 | dvs | JordiGH: dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:33.46 | Ace2016 | dvs: he wants to hold some back |
| 14:33.50 | JordiGH | dvs: "but not upgrade a few packages" |
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| 14:34.02 | JordiGH | dvs: And dist-upgrade is deprecated; it's now called full-upgrade. |
| 14:34.05 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, pinning maybe? |
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| 14:34.29 | baldurk | iceweasel doesn't seem to let me open URLs from the command line. If I do "iceweasel url" it pops up a window saying iceweasel is already running, but not responding. If I use iceweasel -remote it complains that no running window is found |
| 14:34.31 | gentgeen__ | pin the ones you DON'T want to upgrade |
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| 14:35.37 | FordCortina | my mouse only has 10 buttons i think |
| 14:36.07 | JordiGH | Ah, turns it's easier than I thought. "aptitude full-upgrade package-to-be-held=current-version" |
| 14:36.34 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, what mouse do you have (so I can google it) |
| 14:36.36 | dutchfish | is it secure enough to use the debian etch source CIPE package or are there any other debian packages with the same low overhead that can be used? i am dont like ssl for my purpose because of the overhead. |
| 14:36.45 | FordCortina | one wheel (3), 2 normal, 2 (fwd/back), wheel rocker (2), search button (1) sends keyboard input |
| 14:36.53 | FordCortina | logitech mx 620 |
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| 14:37.26 | FordCortina | basically i want the search button to do pasting |
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| 14:39.14 | FordCortina | X thinks that the search button is a keyboard key (probably due to the driver/device) |
| 14:39.29 | FordCortina | so i dont think swapping buttons will work |
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| 14:40.01 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, have you used xev to find out what each button # is ? |
| 14:40.08 | FordCortina | yes |
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| 14:40.17 | FordCortina | as i say |
| 14:40.21 | FordCortina | the search button is |
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| 14:40.38 | FordCortina | keycode 229 |
| 14:40.45 | FordCortina | and the middle button is |
| 14:40.51 | FordCortina | button 2 |
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| 14:41.35 | FordCortina | now i tied to assign "keycode 229 = Pointer_Button2" |
| 14:41.41 | FordCortina | but that does seem to work |
| 14:42.15 | FordCortina | xmodmap does complain about Pointer_Button2, so it probably is valid |
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| 14:42.36 | FordCortina | in fact |
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| 14:42.51 | FordCortina | xev output seem to reflect that xmodmap did something |
| 14:42.59 | efaistos | do you know a GNOME application like Calendar under OSX ? |
| 14:43.02 | FordCortina | when i click the search button |
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| 14:43.55 | JordiGH | efaistos: Uh, ask #macosx? |
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| 14:44.07 | donald_ | my sources.list includes lenny and sid. i created a apt.conf line with APT::Default-release "testing"; and upgraded the kernel to 2.6.24 for iwl3945 modules. i also upgraded hal to unstable to fix the 2 batteries in G-P-M issue. question is will aptitude or apt-get know to keep those versions once they get into lenny or always favour the version from sid? |
| 14:44.16 | zamba | where can i find 'mencoder' in debian? |
| 14:44.16 | FordCortina | http://rafb.net/p/uVH7Zk43.html |
| 14:44.20 | zamba | this is etch |
| 14:44.23 | JordiGH | efaistos: Oh, Calendar is the MacOS X app. What does it do? I bet it doesn't tell you the date. |
| 14:45.01 | efaistos | JordiGH: i want a gnome app ... need just a fancy calendar for some friend ... dont tell me cal under terminale ;) |
| 14:45.05 | zamba | it's not in the mplayer package |
| 14:45.12 | efaistos | s/e// |
| 14:45.18 | JordiGH | efaistos: What does a fancy calendar do? |
| 14:45.53 | donald_ | JordiGH: tell tomorrows date |
| 14:45.57 | efaistos | JordiGH: say just a calendar where you can add task, appointment, etc ... |
| 14:46.11 | JordiGH | Doesn't Evolution do tha sort of thing? |
| 14:46.52 | gentgeen__ | IIRC, that is similar to setting a variable... you have now set 229 = "Pointer_Button2" but "pointer_button2" is not defined as an event (like ctrl or M) |
| 14:46.57 | efaistos | JordiGH: yeah but dont want all package dont need email and everything coming with |
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| 14:47.30 | nfsnobody | ok, still having some postfix issues, it's not seeming to find the user in the mysql database... I think >>> http://dpaste.com/38619/ |
| 14:48.09 | JordiGH | iceape-calendar perhaps? |
| 14:48.42 | JordiGH | It uses the "iCal" standard, which sounds like an iApple thing. |
| 14:49.07 | JordiGH | efaistos ^^ |
| 14:49.56 | gentgeen__ | JordiGH, since that is a "keyboard key" on your mouse, you have to treat it as a keyboard key. Maybe something like the PPC linux does with the f11 and f12 keys |
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| 14:50.07 | gentgeen__ | (since macs only have 1 button mouse by default) |
| 14:50.16 | JordiGH | gentgeen__: Talk to FordCortina. |
| 14:50.17 | gentgeen__ | example -- http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/modify-default-keyboard-map-PowerBook-G4-ftopict488441.html |
| 14:50.31 | gentgeen__ | sorry JordiGH |
| 14:50.39 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, see my post to JordiGH |
| 14:51.06 | efaistos | JordiGH: let me check ;) |
| 14:51.13 | JordiGH | efaistos: if you're not too worried with using KDE apps inside Gnome, there's also korganizer |
| 14:51.29 | efaistos | no thanks ;) |
| 14:51.35 | FordCortina | thanks gentgeen |
| 14:51.39 | FordCortina | ill look into that |
| 14:51.44 | JordiGH | I make my Qt settings match Gnome's setting, and you can hardly tell the difference between KDE and Gnome apps. |
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| 14:52.01 | JordiGH | I even match their icon settings. |
| 14:52.29 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, another thought... Map the search key to your "back" key (like backspace) then use the mouses typical "back" key as your paste |
| 14:52.34 | JordiGH | The biggest difference is that KDE apps have a crapload more options while Gnome apps keep the number of options to a mininum. |
| 14:52.44 | gentgeen__ | s/search key/search button/ |
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| 14:56.44 | efaistos | JordiGH: found one osmo |
| 14:56.44 | baldurk | I tried a patch suggested in a bug report to modify /usr/lib/iceweasel and change APPLICATION_ID to iceweasel from firefox, but it didn't help, I still get the same problems. Anyone have any other suggestions? |
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| 14:56.56 | efaistos | exactly what the person wants i think |
| 14:57.00 | efaistos | ;) |
| 14:57.54 | JordiGH | efaistos: Hm, "version 0.1.6-1". Is it good enough for use/ |
| 14:57.55 | JordiGH | ? |
| 14:58.06 | efaistos | dunno |
| 14:58.18 | efaistos | but we'll see report bugs if any etc ... ;) |
| 14:59.04 | JordiGH | Oh, is your Mac OS X happy with bugs? |
| 14:59.11 | JordiGH | Your Mac OS X user. |
| 14:59.53 | JordiGH | baldurk: Why do you want to change the name? |
| 15:00.15 | efaistos | he used to use macosx but his laptop died and bought an ew laptop but doenst want windos |
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| 15:00.21 | efaistos | http://pimlico-project.org/dates.html |
| 15:00.39 | efaistos | another project that one guy from #gnome-hackers gave me |
| 15:00.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: <baldurk> iceweasel doesn't seem to let me open URLs from the command line. If I do "iceweasel url" it pops up a window saying iceweasel is already running, but not responding. If I use iceweasel -remote it complains that no running window is found |
| 15:01.10 | efaistos | osmo is nice |
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| 15:01.55 | JordiGH | efaistos: Well, Gnome is a good choice for Mac OS X. If you can get the latest compiz-fusion running on it, it looks even prettier than Mac OS x. |
| 15:02.09 | baldurk | yes there was a bug report of similar problems to mine, and that change fixed it |
| 15:02.46 | JordiGH | baldurk: Hm, if I try that with some tabmix plus extension or so, it opens a new tab in my open iceweasel with the page I requested. |
| 15:03.46 | nfsnobody | any ideas anyone? - I've just set virtual_mailbox_base to /var/vmail, now getting an error permission wise (I'm so close!) |
| 15:03.46 | nfsnobody | Mar 10 00:58:24 m00 postfix/virtual[14879]: 1083A8D7EE: to=<nfsnobody@localhost>, relay=virtual, delay=260, delays=260/0.02/0/0.02, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (delivery failed to mailbox /var/vmail/1: unable to create lock file /var/vmail/1.lock: Permission denied) |
| 15:03.56 | baldurk | JordiGH, that's odd. What version are you running? |
| 15:03.59 | nfsnobody | postfix doesn't have access to create files in /var/vmail |
| 15:04.13 | nfsnobody | but the user "vmail" does (for dovecot) |
| 15:04.41 | nfsnobody | hmmm, probably should be /var/vmail/%d/%n now that I think about it... |
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| 15:04.45 | JordiGH | baldurk: 2.0.0.12-1 |
| 15:05.31 | baldurk | same as me |
| 15:05.55 | baldurk | I get the problem even with a blank new profile, so it's not a profile issue |
| 15:05.56 | JordiGH | baldurk: It might be some of the extensions I have installed. |
| 15:06.08 | nfsnobody | oh, %d/%n isn't parsed by postfix... |
| 15:06.09 | baldurk | no, this should be default firefox behaviour |
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| 15:06.13 | baldurk | I've used it before |
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| 15:06.31 | JordiGH | baldurk: No, I mean, maybe some of the extensions I have installed make it work for me. |
| 15:06.52 | baldurk | no, I've had this work before with no extensions to do it |
| 15:06.57 | JordiGH | baldurk: For instance, I use single-window mode. If a page really wants popups, they have to go in a new tab. |
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| 15:07.53 | fantomas | hi all. What IRC server you recommed to use? I want to run one in our WAN |
| 15:07.58 | kekko | when you configure a kernel, a dot on the box voice in the configuration tool, indicate a module is loaded only if needed right? |
| 15:08.04 | nfsnobody | unrealircd imo :) |
| 15:08.55 | kekko | join #linux |
| 15:09.02 | nvz | fantomas: hyperion is what you're on right now but it may be overkill for what you are doing |
| 15:09.28 | fantomas | nvz: well, actually I need one for our LUG. Not expecting much ppl |
| 15:10.10 | nvz | if you're not expecting many people maybe you just need like cgi-irc on a website that logs into a channel on a free network |
| 15:10.38 | fantomas | is hyperion hard to configure? |
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| 15:10.55 | nvz | are stupid questions hard to ask? |
| 15:11.08 | fantomas | hehe |
| 15:11.09 | fantomas | (otherwise what means overkill? :) |
| 15:11.35 | fantomas | it is eihter hard to up run or consumes resources - imho |
| 15:11.49 | nvz | well like I'm saying you've barely got a user much less a channel.. so what do you even need ircd for |
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| 15:12.00 | nvz | just use someone else's |
| 15:12.11 | nvz | like freenode |
| 15:12.15 | baldurk | oh wait, I just realised what might be causing the problem |
| 15:12.35 | baldurk | it looks like it might be dependent on which X display I execute the command on |
| 15:12.43 | fantomas | nvz: you mean not running ircd at all? |
| 15:12.52 | nvz | sounds like a plan |
| 15:12.58 | gentgeen__ | FordCortina, I just found that (depending on your UI) CTRL+INS is same as CTRL+V so you might want to look into that as well |
| 15:13.14 | nvz | no need for a dedicated machine just to run a damn ping pong relay |
| 15:13.38 | fantomas | the goal is to stay on LAN though |
| 15:14.14 | nvz | whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 15:14.35 | nvz | unless you're like testing IRC bots or something I see no reason to have an ircd at your LUG on the LAN |
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| 15:17.01 | nfsnobody | gack, I'm so close.... |
| 15:17.08 | nvz | modify and change sound like the same thing |
| 15:17.11 | nfsnobody | can anyone see where my issue lays here/point me in the right direction? :P http://dpaste.com/38622/ |
| 15:17.18 | Nyle | good morning |
| 15:17.23 | Nyle | amphi: pin |
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| 15:17.37 | fantomas | nvz: we are currently on our ISP's irc server but our talks could be sniffed so we want to move somewhere. We need a secure channel and the right way (to my mind) for this is running own ircd. |
| 15:18.00 | Nyle | fantomas: or use ssl if the server supports it |
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| 15:18.26 | drcode_ | hi all |
| 15:18.29 | TrueDD | Hi all |
| 15:18.33 | drcode_ | how can I run freenx multiwindow? |
| 15:18.37 | fantomas | Nyle: huh? I said server belongs to ISP so there is no way to escape from possible sniffing |
| 15:18.38 | drcode_ | like in X11 forward? |
| 15:18.47 | Nyle | oh |
| 15:18.48 | Nyle | isp |
| 15:18.59 | Nyle | why are you on that server? |
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| 15:19.20 | JordiGH | Ooh, the new Wesnoth is really nice. |
| 15:19.26 | Nyle | JordiGH: you play it? |
| 15:19.31 | fantomas | Nyle: good question. Asking myself everyday ) |
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| 15:19.36 | JordiGH | Nyle: Yes. |
| 15:19.38 | Nyle | JordiGH: I tried to play it once but I didn't understand it |
| 15:19.48 | Nyle | fantomas: :) |
| 15:19.51 | JordiGH | Nyle: Played the tutorial? |
| 15:19.55 | Nyle | JordiGH: yes |
| 15:20.01 | Nyle | I suppose I couldn't get into it |
| 15:20.02 | fantomas | Nyle: its time to run own ircd. Thats my question actually - what IRCD you guys recommend |
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| 15:20.11 | nvz | hah.. top secret IRC chats eh |
| 15:20.17 | Nyle | seems like a game for 5 year olds *judging by graphics* no idea about gameplay |
| 15:20.21 | wols | nfsnobody: /var/vmail/localhost/nfsnobody has the wrong uwer/permissions |
| 15:20.29 | Nyle | fantomas: dancer |
| 15:20.30 | drcode_ | any idea about freenx and multiwindow? |
| 15:20.31 | nfsnobody | 0770 :D I just realised :P |
| 15:20.32 | nfsnobody | ty though wols :P |
| 15:20.54 | JordiGH | Nyle: Graphics are constantly improving. I don't know what proprietary games look like nowadays; I haven't played one in, well, 5 years. :-) |
| 15:21.05 | G3N10U5 | greetings |
| 15:21.27 | amphi | Nyle: the 8yo son of a friend likes wesnoth ;) |
| 15:21.32 | dutchfish | fantomas, when just a few people and restricted (< 100) use dancer-ircd with ssl |
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| 15:22.20 | Nyle | amphi: I rebooted into Darth Sid(eous) and started compiz --replace instead of kde-window-decorator (removed it and got emerald) |
| 15:22.26 | Nyle | amphi: NO MORE FUCKING LAG!!!! |
| 15:22.45 | Nyle | amphi: 3 months of looking into it paid off |
| 15:22.46 | G3N10U5 | hehe **** |
| 15:23.07 | fantomas | nvz: no secrets from right people - we just developing VPN over ISP lan and need to discuss it. But this is prohibited by isp. |
| 15:23.29 | Nyle | I don't understand |
| 15:23.35 | Nyle | why you have to discuss thigs on thier server |
| 15:23.36 | Nyle | wtf |
| 15:23.37 | Nyle | ? |
| 15:23.49 | Nyle | why are you even on it if you're so paranoid? |
| 15:24.03 | fantomas | Nyle: we just have not run our own ircd yet. |
| 15:24.19 | Nyle | fantomas: you can use thousands of other ones that support encryption/security |
| 15:24.20 | Nyle | ssl |
| 15:24.26 | fantomas | dutchfish, Nyle : thanks, gonna try dancer |
| 15:24.27 | Nyle | with valid certs maybe too |
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| 15:24.39 | G3N10U5 | lol |
| 15:24.54 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 15:24.54 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 15:25.14 | Nyle | dutchfish: you referrin to me? |
| 15:25.17 | Nyle | :( |
| 15:25.17 | fantomas | Nyle: our ircd will run in VPN (openvpn) with encryption enabled. So there is no need to encrypt more I guess ) |
| 15:25.18 | G3N10U5 | sundays are so entertaining |
| 15:25.28 | Nyle | fantomas: you da man my man |
| 15:25.33 | dutchfish | !coffee Nyle |
| 15:25.36 | Nyle | you know what you're donin better than I |
| 15:25.41 | Nyle | dutchfish: awe :) thank you |
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| 15:26.35 | Nyle | amphi: 'habla usted engles?' |
| 15:26.58 | Nyle | amphi: 'I suggest you do what your parents did' |
| 15:27.07 | Nyle | amphi: 'get a job sir, the bums will always lose' |
| 15:27.09 | Nyle | hahaha ;) |
| 15:27.30 | Nyle | I'm gonna go put that movie on |
| 15:28.14 | Nyle | haha i love this movie |
| 15:28.25 | Nyle | almot noontime, man I slept good today |
| 15:28.38 | Nyle | so how come no one is talking |
| 15:28.48 | Nyle | people don't need to fix debian on sunday? |
| 15:29.45 | dutchfish | Nyle, yes they do but it does not break on sundays that often because they dont mess it up on that day? |
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| 15:30.41 | Nyle | in any other distro's channel, especially the debian based ones, people give us a bad name |
| 15:30.52 | Nyle | you ever come across that |
| 15:31.28 | hjb | hi. i have trouble getting dual-head setup going |
| 15:31.39 | Nyle | 'oh no, #debian is full of arrogant assholes who don't help you with anything blahblah' |
| 15:31.45 | hjb | I'm using the radeon driver from unstable (xrandr 1.2) |
| 15:31.47 | Nyle | hjb: video card? |
| 15:32.00 | hjb | Nyle Radeon 9800 Pro |
| 15:32.01 | Nyle | hjb: never used radeon but I am using fglrx |
| 15:32.08 | Nyle | maybe this might help |
| 15:32.09 | Nyle | hang on |
| 15:32.45 | hjb | Nyle uhm, ok. But i'm happy with the free driver :-/ |
| 15:32.51 | Nyle | you can take a peek at my thing |
| 15:33.02 | Nyle | it should work with any driver |
| 15:33.13 | Nyle | hjb: do you understand _how_ to setup dual head? |
| 15:33.13 | hjb | Nyle Hmm, that sounds good :-) |
| 15:33.34 | Nyle | hjb: I'm not sure if the radeon driver supports that same dualhead mode as fglrx does |
| 15:33.42 | hjb | Nyle Good question :-P How should i know for sure. I guess i understand it |
| 15:33.42 | Nyle | like nvidia has its twinview, ati has its own thing |
| 15:34.13 | hjb | Nyle They used to. The newest driver version now implements xrandr |
| 15:34.20 | Nyle | hjb: you need basically 2 device sections, each pointing to a diff screen, you need two screens, you need two monitor sections |
| 15:34.31 | Nyle | hjb: then you need your input etc. etc. all tht other stuff |
| 15:34.51 | Nyle | hjb: then you need a serverlayout where you tell it screen 0 is this, and screen 1 is right/left of screen0 |
| 15:35.00 | Nyle | hjb: http://paste.debian.net/50796 |
| 15:35.16 | Nyle | this is my xorg.conf maybe it gives an insight into how to setup your |
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| 15:35.26 | hjb | Nyle http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 15:35.29 | Nyle | hjb: I know nothing about 'ati/radeon' |
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| 15:35.43 | Nyle | my video card doesn't work with ANYTHING except vesa/fglrx |
| 15:35.55 | Nyle | and now the new opensource/experimental driver r500 |
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| 15:36.12 | Nyle | dutchfish: that would be nice |
| 15:36.46 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.00 | Nyle | btw, I'm using fglrx and this option for me has no effect |
| 15:37.40 | Nyle | it doesn't matter if I have it or not, for some reason my dual head depends on +xinerama to function, otherwise I get two seperate desktops where I can move the mouse from 1 screen to another, but not windows |
| 15:37.51 | Nyle | i.e, not a single framebuffer |
| 15:38.01 | enouf | omg, 100 lines, 95 are from Nyle O_o |
| 15:38.14 | Nyle | :( |
| 15:38.16 | sordith | haha |
| 15:38.17 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 15:38.21 | Nyle | I'm sorry |
| 15:38.26 | sordith | Nyle: you pot head :-p |
| 15:38.28 | dutchfish | !comfort enouf |
| 15:38.29 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:38.29 | Nyle | I have an annoying habit of using enter! |
| 15:38.49 | Nyle | sordith: vobiscum |
| 15:38.50 | sordith | dont do drugs and drive on the internet! :D |
| 15:38.56 | Nyle | drugs? |
| 15:38.59 | Nyle | man pot aint to damn drug |
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| 15:39.12 | sordith | sure, even the internet can be a drug :D |
| 15:39.12 | Nyle | you've been brainwashed by the Bush administration with their war on bullshit |
| 15:39.27 | sordith | Nyle: visit me on #debian-offtopic to carry on :-p |
| 15:39.29 | hjb | Nyle Nyle as i understand that debian wiki's page, there's no need to have different monitor sections in xorg.conf anymore |
| 15:39.42 | Nyle | hjb: why not? |
| 15:39.46 | Nyle | hjb: link me |
| 15:39.53 | hjb | Nyle http://paste.debian.net/50796 |
| 15:39.53 | gentgeen__ | I just added myself to a group.. is there a way to make that recoginized without logging out of X ? |
| 15:40.03 | cahoot | try su user |
| 15:40.04 | hjb | Nyle You can just change everything on the fly |
| 15:40.10 | Nyle | hjb: you don't mean you can specify in device section what vert2/horiz2/mode2 (for 2nd monitor) |
| 15:40.20 | Nyle | hjb: yes, that is true, but still... |
| 15:40.32 | Nyle | xrandr won't even start for me if I have +xinerama |
| 15:40.41 | Nyle | how bout that |
| 15:40.43 | hjb | hjb You can still use the sections to have a different layout at startup |
| 15:40.44 | enouf | could try newgrp too |
| 15:41.02 | hjb | Nyle Are u using gnome? |
| 15:41.03 | Nyle | hjb: you are smoking crack? |
| 15:41.16 | hjb | Nyle ^^ no |
| 15:41.17 | Nyle | yes no? maybe? ;) |
| 15:41.27 | Nyle | j/k man, you were talking to your self and saying my nickname twice |
| 15:41.29 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:41.33 | Nyle | anyway I use KDE |
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| 15:41.52 | hjb | Nyle Oh man i see :-P |
| 15:42.10 | hjb | Nyle Problem: gnome places it's menus and stuff on screen number 0 |
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| 15:42.37 | hjb | Nyle My screen number 0 isn't the one i wan't it to be |
| 15:42.38 | Nyle | dude |
| 15:42.48 | Nyle | you just linked me back to my paste |
| 15:42.49 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:43.01 | Nyle | 11:39 < hjb> Nyle http://paste.debian.net/50796 |
| 15:43.11 | hjb | Nyle &%$ wait: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 15:43.17 | Nyle | 11:34 < Nyle> hjb: http://paste.debian.net/50796 |
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| 15:43.36 | Nyle | hjb: stop smoking crack! ;) |
| 15:43.37 | Quibus | tarzeau: the Maze of Galious remake is being revived with lots of code improvements and bug fixes |
| 15:44.33 | Nyle | interesting |
| 15:44.41 | Quibus | tarzeau: if you're intersted /msg me.... |
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| 15:45.02 | simonrvn | "want" - no such word as "wan not" |
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| 15:45.22 | sdrr | hi all, is there a known roadmap with the scheduled releases? |
| 15:45.30 | Nyle | great |
| 15:45.40 | Nyle | etch installer for amd64 won't do shit |
| 15:45.40 | hjb | Nyle do you like it? |
| 15:45.43 | Nyle | it hangs at some step |
| 15:45.46 | wols | sdrr: not really |
| 15:45.47 | wols | "lenny |
| 15:45.50 | wols | !lenny |
| 15:45.51 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wir> <rsn> and <siyh>). |
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| 15:46.24 | sdrr | wols: tnx |
| 15:46.32 | Nyle | let me see, ahh, booting the etch install amd64, craps out 10 lines down from the initial loading I can't get to that screen i rebooted already |
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| 15:46.54 | Nyle | now i'll have to betoor and collect info |
| 15:46.55 | Nyle | reboot |
| 15:47.04 | Nyle | wth was that |
| 15:47.16 | Nyle | thas one helluva typo |
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| 15:49.15 | Nyle | oh man |
| 15:49.21 | Nyle | so whats the word on xrandr + fglrx |
| 15:49.26 | Nyle | works or no works? |
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| 15:51.56 | Nyle | Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". |
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| 15:52.16 | hjb | Nyle i guess it doesn't work with fglrx |
| 15:52.26 | Nyle | :( |
| 15:52.30 | Nyle | FUCK! |
| 15:52.35 | Nyle | godamit |
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| 15:54.20 | Nyle | let me try something |
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| 15:56.14 | Nyle | yup, just as I thought. I disabled Xinerama, and voila, xrandr works, though now I have two diff desktops on each monitor. it seems that fglrx device option "DesktopSetup" "Horizontal" isn't doing anything |
| 15:56.34 | Nyle | hjb: since xrandr works now I guess I'll try to see if I can span this desktop on the 2nd monitor |
| 15:56.42 | Nyle | hjb: any advice for me? |
| 15:57.17 | hjb | Nyle yeah, try xrandr -q |
| 15:57.48 | hjb | Nyle and then xrandr --output FOO --left-of BAR |
| 15:57.54 | Nyle | actually |
| 15:58.02 | Nyle | xrandr only reports 1 screen |
| 15:58.07 | Nyle | screen0 |
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| 15:58.21 | Nyle | when i launch a console on 2nd monitor and do xrandr, it shows only screen1 |
| 15:58.31 | abrotman | Nyle: i think that's a known issue .. xrandr + xinerama = FAIL |
| 15:58.51 | hjb | Nyle Maybe fglrx only support xrandr 1.1 ? |
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| 15:59.41 | abrotman | Nyle: anyways .. i think it's known .. can't find anything about it |
| 15:59.48 | Nyle | thank you |
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| 16:00.20 | Nyle | my question for #ati now is to help me figure out why fglrx device option "DesktopSetup" "Horizontal" |
| 16:00.26 | Nyle | is not doin ga fucking thing |
| 16:00.34 | Nyle | it seems to have no effect whatsoever |
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| 16:02.02 | hjb | Damn, the guys at #radeon aren't responsive in any way :-( |
| 16:02.02 | Nyle | i know it works, I'm trying 8.3xx and 8.42.x and now 8.3catalyst and still it isn't doing a thing |
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| 16:02.14 | Nyle | other people report that it works so its something on my end |
| 16:02.16 | Nyle | it has to be |
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| 16:03.55 | Nyle | I even installed ubuntu on a diff partition just to see if THAT just 'works' but it doesn't... I installed it to see if there was a performance difference and maybe try to find out why, but trying to retart X freezes the whole machine, applications randomly crash and cause segfaults, and the entire system was horribly unstable |
| 16:04.23 | Nyle | so fuck em and thier shitty packages |
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| 16:04.50 | Nyle | I rebooted into debian, and used emerald instead of kde-window-decorator and damn, no lag anymore with fglrx/aiglx + compiz-fusion |
| 16:05.05 | Nyle | latest fglrx catalyst, though dual head still gives problems |
| 16:05.18 | abrotman | sounds like a problem for #ati though |
| 16:05.30 | Nyle | im just talking/rambling, sorry |
| 16:06.31 | Nyle | but yeah, im not on an ubuntu hate bandwagon, its just always a pos to use, but anyway w/e |
| 16:07.25 | Nyle | man fucking man sid is more stable than that shit, man everytime I use debian I'm reminded of how awesome it is |
| 16:07.33 | Nyle | if anything works, debian/stable just fucking works |
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| 16:07.34 | Nyle | goddamit |
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| 16:07.40 | Nyle | ok im gonna go eat something |
| 16:07.50 | SparFux | Is there a special linux audio dedicated debian repository? |
| 16:08.03 | Nyle | SparFux: what you looking for? |
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| 16:08.11 | wols | no, there is dmm tho |
| 16:08.21 | craigevil | SparFux: might take a look at debian-multimedia.org |
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| 16:09.35 | Nyle | what audio software does dmm contain |
| 16:09.43 | Nyle | people actually use mplayer for music? |
| 16:10.09 | Nyle | mmm hungry man steak and mashed potato |
| 16:10.15 | SparFux | I need jack and the like. |
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| 16:10.25 | SparFux | My jamin from debian crashes frequently. |
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| 16:10.45 | SparFux | Jamin is the greatest EQ and compressor tool ever. This way stereo hifi sound really rocks. |
| 16:10.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:11.07 | Nyle | SparFux: you are into audio recording? |
| 16:11.21 | Nyle | pc studio stuff etc? *hopefully* ;) |
| 16:11.22 | SparFux | For greatest heavy metal sound, use jamin with your mp3 or whatever and push up low band and high band compressor just a little. |
| 16:11.29 | Nyle | oh my god I love this guy! |
| 16:11.35 | SparFux | nyle: just with linux. |
| 16:11.37 | Nyle | SparFux: I also record death/heavy metal on pc |
| 16:11.41 | Nyle | I have a debian based studio |
| 16:11.49 | Nyle | what software do you use? |
| 16:11.52 | SparFux | nyle: the best app for audio recording as of one year ago is ardour. |
| 16:12.03 | SparFux | nyle: no really! |
| 16:12.16 | Nyle | SparFux: I multitrack with audacity |
| 16:12.31 | SparFux | nyle: I once did that. And I am trying to get in again. What I get so far is crashes. Anyway, I used jackd, jamin, jack-rack (!!!) |
| 16:12.46 | SparFux | Do you use debian unstable? |
| 16:12.53 | Nyle | I use ALL debians |
| 16:12.57 | hjb | Nyle Damn, problem solved! It was that easy... |
| 16:13.02 | Nyle | my electric bill back corrups me every months |
| 16:13.03 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:13.12 | Nyle | total of 8 machines |
| 16:13.18 | SparFux | wowo |
| 16:13.21 | Nyle | and I gotta keep the house warm somewhow |
| 16:13.23 | hjb | Nyle I just had to move the panel from on screen to the other one. Now it stays there :-D |
| 16:13.29 | Nyle | i got no central heating in here |
| 16:13.30 | Nyle | :( |
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| 16:13.36 | hjb | Nyle I feel so stupid :-D |
| 16:13.43 | SparFux | 8 computers should be quite warm already :-) |
| 16:13.46 | Nyle | hjb: its ok I feel like that all the time |
| 16:13.53 | Nyle | starting to think maybe I AM stupid :( |
| 16:14.14 | hjb | Nyle I don't think that :) |
| 16:14.21 | Nyle | good for you :) |
| 16:14.35 | hjb | Nyle Uhm, about YOU |
| 16:14.41 | hjb | Nyle ;-) |
| 16:14.43 | SparFux | nyle: ok, do you know jack-rack? |
| 16:14.48 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:14.52 | Nyle | SparFux: nope |
| 16:14.56 | Nyle | allow me a moment now |
| 16:14.59 | SparFux | nyle: and what about jack? |
| 16:15.26 | abrotman | jack or jackd ? |
| 16:15.52 | SparFux | nyle: my favourite eq : https://rl2.dnsalias.net/public/eq.jpg |
| 16:15.54 | SparFux | jackd I mean. |
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| 16:16.24 | abrotman | just thought i'd ask .. since 'jack' is different than jackd |
| 16:16.28 | SparFux | I made that pic years ago when jamin was running stalbe here. then I switched to amd64 :-( |
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| 16:16.32 | Nyle | SparFux: I use guitar > boss ME 50 > amp > preamp out > line in > audacity. I use hydrogen and export drums as wav. I import in audacity, and then I play the guitar, and then I layer the lead guitar, and then I layer bass. I don't add effects, I have no idea what to do when it comes to recording. I make do. sample: http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 |
| 16:16.37 | SparFux | dont know, might be the more recent debian distr. |
| 16:16.51 | Nyle | SparFux: listen, if you can help me get a better sound or suggest other way or software that would be great |
| 16:17.00 | Nyle | you could come to #music if you'd like |
| 16:17.13 | SparFux | Nyle: guitar -> soundcard (alsa) -> jackd -> jack-rack -> sound out |
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| 16:17.30 | Nyle | SparFux: explain why? |
| 16:17.52 | SparFux | why what? |
| 16:18.01 | SparFux | I am an effect junkie! |
| 16:18.02 | Nyle | why do you use jackd/jackrack |
| 16:18.04 | Nyle | what does that do? |
| 16:18.20 | Nyle | itsn't it just a soundserver? |
| 16:18.28 | Nyle | which I don't use because of !dmix |
| 16:18.35 | Pinky | /w/w 22 |
| 16:19.01 | SparFux | Nyle: jack is for realtime and you can freely route audio signal through all sorts of apps. jack-rack is one such app and it supports LADSPA (linux audio developers simple plugin api). You write ladspa plugins and plug them in jack-rack, then you have graphical control over every plugin parameter. |
| 16:19.22 | Nyle | SparFux: holy shizboo |
| 16:19.32 | Nyle | SparFux: what what could I do with it? |
| 16:19.46 | Nyle | I don't see how its better than audacity |
| 16:19.56 | Nyle | I guess I don't understand it (that stupidity kick in in again) |
| 16:20.27 | SparFux | Nyle: there are all sorts of effects plugins for jack-rack. Most important fxdist! |
| 16:20.31 | Nyle | ahh |
| 16:20.48 | Nyle | ok thats much better than learning how to use them effects in audacity which i can never figure out |
| 16:21.12 | Nyle | SparFux: you are self taught in recording? got any resources for me to work my way through? |
| 16:21.21 | SparFux | Yeah, Mortal is GREAT! |
| 16:21.26 | Nyle | thank you |
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| 16:21.45 | Nyle | but quality or what? |
| 16:21.47 | SparFux | Hm.. yes, there are resources. I am self taught. All I now I read on the net somewhere or found out myself. |
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| 16:22.11 | Nyle | oh yes, and I add synth too |
| 16:22.32 | Nyle | you hear E/C/A (A min, 5th inversion) |
| 16:22.34 | Nyle | anyway |
| 16:22.44 | Nyle | 3rd* |
| 16:22.47 | SparFux | Nyle: this is really great! I love that. Self made sound with open source! |
| 16:22.58 | Nyle | I basically just read some recording tutorials on guitarist forums etc. |
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| 16:23.06 | Nyle | I never tried to learn how these sound signals and shit work |
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| 16:23.08 | kekko | where can i find the repositories for all the newest kernel .deb ? |
| 16:23.13 | Nyle | actual audio engineering stuf fyou kno |
| 16:23.27 | Nyle | SparFux: yeh, you got anything recorded? |
| 16:23.31 | Nyle | you really should be moving to #music |
| 16:23.50 | Nyle | kekko: that would probably be in debian experimental or unstable |
| 16:24.00 | Nyle | kekko: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:24.15 | SparFux | Nyle: apt-cache show swh-plugins |
| 16:24.35 | kekko | Nyle: upgrade my kernel |
| 16:24.51 | Nyle | kekko: which debian distribution? |
| 16:24.55 | kekko | etch |
| 16:25.05 | Nyle | kekko: why do you need a higher kernel? |
| 16:25.19 | kekko | Nyle: driver not working well with my wireless card |
| 16:25.33 | Nyle | which is it? |
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| 16:25.51 | Nyle | what wifi chipset? |
| 16:26.04 | kekko | ipw2100 |
| 16:26.20 | wols | somehow I am skeptical |
| 16:26.21 | mandel | Hi, apt/synaptic show only available versions for installed packages; meaning that I can't install anything. Instead I get "Package Foo has no available version, but exists in the database.". Maybe there is a way to rebuild the package database? |
| 16:26.26 | Nyle | !ipw2100 |
| 16:26.26 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2100 was a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 16:26.32 | SparFux | Nyle: mind if I put Mortal.mp3 into GNUnet? |
| 16:26.41 | wols | mandel: fix your sources.list and then apt-get update |
| 16:26.42 | kekko | Nyle : Thank! |
| 16:26.42 | Nyle | SparFux: whats that? |
| 16:26.48 | Nyle | kekko: sure |
| 16:26.57 | sordith | Nyle: you help bot. not interested to join #debian-offtopic for some leisure talk? |
| 16:27.11 | Nyle | I'm sorry? |
| 16:27.13 | Nyle | I help bot? |
| 16:27.20 | sordith | :D |
| 16:27.38 | Nyle | I do leisure talks in here |
| 16:27.45 | sordith | we talk about ideas of new security concepts there |
| 16:27.49 | Nyle | then I get told to stfu, but until then, I do |
| 16:27.50 | wols | which you know you shouldn't |
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| 16:28.16 | mandel | wols, I did that already. Does have no effect. Here's my sources.list http://rafb.net/p/23YM5N35.html |
| 16:28.26 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 16:28.43 | Nyle | you remember leisure suit larry |
| 16:28.43 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:28.44 | wols | mandel: what does apt-get update say/do? |
| 16:29.02 | Nyle | SparFux: what is gnunet? |
| 16:29.11 | SparFux | Nyle: GNUnet is an anonymous networking framework, you can do anonymous filesharing with it. |
| 16:29.17 | amphi | Nyle: yes - I never liked it overmuch |
| 16:29.18 | enouf | a nice shade of rust color too |
| 16:29.31 | SparFux | Nyle: apt-cache show gnunet |
| 16:29.36 | Nyle | amphi: what are you responding/replying to? |
| 16:29.39 | Nyle | SparFux: ok |
| 16:29.46 | amphi | Nyle: the occasional poorly rendered breast didn't work for me as well as it seemed to for others |
| 16:29.52 | Nyle | SparFux: I dont care, its not like they can steal anything from me |
| 16:29.53 | amphi | Nyle: leisure suit larold |
| 16:29.58 | mandel | wols, apt-get update works fine from looking at the output.http://rafb.net/p/Dmtg7C98.html |
| 16:30.06 | SparFux | Nyle: ok, thx. |
| 16:30.07 | Nyle | what can they do, steal my mp3? |
| 16:30.13 | Nyle | its not like I Can't play this you know |
| 16:30.21 | Nyle | and now that I'm even better, I thikn mortal.mp3 sucks |
| 16:30.23 | wols | apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 16:30.25 | Nyle | ;) |
| 16:30.29 | SparFux | Nyle: don't you want to put yoru name in the mp3? |
| 16:30.34 | SparFux | -> mp3tag |
| 16:30.40 | Nyle | SparFux: you can do it for me |
| 16:30.42 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:30.54 | Nyle | go for it, do w/e you want |
| 16:30.57 | Nyle | claim it as your own i dont' care |
| 16:30.59 | Nyle | have fun buddy |
| 16:31.30 | Nyle | amphi: larold :) |
| 16:31.36 | amphi | ;) |
| 16:31.41 | Nyle | amphi: how old were you when you played it |
| 16:31.46 | mandel | wols, ok, I fixed it. I guess some editor inserted a utf8 BOM. |
| 16:32.01 | amphi | Nyle: less so than now |
| 16:32.04 | mandel | well, maybe. |
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| 16:32.37 | Nyle | SparFux: if you are interested, there is also sad.mp3 on the same url |
| 16:32.45 | SparFux | I will get it. thx |
| 16:32.50 | Nyle | SparFux: thats about 4 minutes of nonsensical shred |
| 16:32.58 | Nyle | it makes sense to me |
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| 16:33.03 | SparFux | Nyle: what should I put in? "Nyle from #debian" ? |
| 16:33.14 | Nyle | ok so xrandr works... but it only displays one monitor's info |
| 16:33.36 | Nyle | alright im gonna get high and go to #ati and try to figure out why |
| 16:33.43 | Nyle | wow that rhymes |
| 16:33.54 | SparFux | xrandr rocks. |
| 16:34.04 | Nyle | SparFux: join #music as it is OT now in here man |
| 16:34.08 | Nyle | offtopic |
| 16:34.20 | SparFux | ok. |
| 16:34.26 | Nyle | we got some bunch of people there talkin bout recording and apps and music and spammin mp3s n shit |
| 16:34.29 | Nyle | great |
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| 16:35.36 | abrotman | now? |
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| 16:35.48 | [BT]JaC | hi there |
| 16:35.54 | [BT]JaC | how can i fix this error: |
| 16:35.55 | [BT]JaC | ./samp022svr: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:36.11 | Nyle | abrotman: :) no not _right now_ |
| 16:36.14 | azeem | [BT]JaC: install libstdc++.so.6 |
| 16:36.24 | [BT]JaC | azeem using yum or? |
| 16:36.28 | [BT]JaC | apt-get even |
| 16:36.36 | azeem | [BT]JaC: what distribution are you running? |
| 16:36.41 | [BT]JaC | debian |
| 16:36.52 | azeem | which version of Debian? |
| 16:37.07 | [BT]JaC | how can i check |
| 16:37.09 | [BT]JaC | uname -a ? |
| 16:37.13 | azeem | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:37.24 | [BT]JaC | 3.1 |
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| 16:38.08 | Gun_Smoke | So lenny's sitting in a soft freeze or the like? |
| 16:38.08 | azeem | [BT]JaC: what does "dpkg -l libstdc++6 | tail -1" say? |
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| 16:38.15 | azeem | Gun_Smoke: not yet |
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| 16:38.25 | [BT]JaC | teambt@surge:~/samp022$ dpkg -l libstdc++6 | tail -1 |
| 16:38.25 | [BT]JaC | No packages found matching libstdc++6. |
| 16:38.25 | [BT]JaC | teambt@surge:~/samp022$ |
| 16:38.36 | Gun_Smoke | azeem: I thought that's what I read.. Lemme go back and look... |
| 16:38.57 | azeem | [BT]JaC: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 16:39.18 | [BT]JaC | teambt@surge:~/samp022$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:39.18 | [BT]JaC | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:39.18 | [BT]JaC | teambt@surge:~/samp022$ |
| 16:39.42 | azeem | [BT]JaC: so install dpkg -l libstdc++6 | tail -1 |
| 16:39.44 | azeem | eh |
| 16:39.48 | azeem | [BT]JaC: so install libstdc++6 |
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| 16:40.04 | [BT]JaC | so apt-get install libstdc++6 |
| 16:40.10 | [BT]JaC | correct? |
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| 16:40.34 | azeem | yes |
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| 16:40.48 | [BT]JaC | no package found |
| 16:40.54 | Gun_Smoke | azeem: Please refer to our last release update [2] for a full schedule. Note that |
| 16:40.54 | Gun_Smoke | this means we are entering the very soft freeze now. |
| 16:41.01 | [BT]JaC | E: Couldn't find package libstdc++6 |
| 16:41.01 | [BT]JaC | surge:~# |
| 16:41.04 | azeem | [BT]JaC: of course, libstdc++6 is Priority: Required so I wonder how you managed to not have it |
| 16:41.09 | azeem | [BT]JaC: run apt-get update |
| 16:41.17 | [BT]JaC | its a brand new vps |
| 16:41.23 | azeem | eh |
| 16:41.27 | abrotman | your brand new VPS has sarge? |
| 16:41.29 | azeem | a brand new vps with 3.1Ã? |
| 16:41.34 | [BT]JaC | yes |
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| 16:41.41 | azeem | get a better deal then |
| 16:41.42 | abrotman | i'd get my money bakc |
| 16:41.56 | azeem | [BT]JaC: pastebin the content of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:41.57 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 16:41.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 16:42.33 | [BT]JaC | http://rafb.net/p/zShsU242.html |
| 16:42.47 | Gun_Smoke | azeem: from debian-devel-announce: "very soft freeze" |
| 16:43.01 | themill | Gun_Smoke: the "very soft freeze" just means "please don't upload a new version of libc6". Even KDE4.1 might make it into lenny yet. |
| 16:43.20 | azeem | Gun_Smoke: ok then |
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| 16:43.47 | azeem | themill: I think it means "please don't upload a new version of libc6 which is broken", rather |
| 16:43.53 | Gun_Smoke | themill: I saw that.. |
| 16:44.01 | themill | azeem: "again" |
| 16:44.12 | azeem | [BT]JaC: that says stable |
| 16:44.21 | [BT]JaC | ?# |
| 16:44.42 | azeem | whereas you're running oldstable right now |
| 16:45.11 | [BT]JaC | so i cannot install libc6 or whatever i need? |
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| 16:46.13 | azeem | [BT]JaC: you cannot install anything without major trouble, yes |
| 16:46.19 | [BT]JaC | :( |
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| 16:46.31 | [BT]JaC | is there a way to fix it :s |
| 16:46.38 | azeem | you can try to upgrade to stable if you plan to keep using this rather bad service |
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| 16:46.54 | [BT]JaC | i dont think they will |
| 16:47.00 | [BT]JaC | this sucks |
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| 16:47.10 | _igel_ | hi |
| 16:47.10 | [BT]JaC | imma go spout off at the company |
| 16:47.11 | azeem | [BT]JaC: what does uname -r say? |
| 16:47.28 | [BT]JaC | 2.6.9-023stab046.2-enterprise |
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| 16:47.36 | azeem | uh-huh |
| 16:47.42 | [BT]JaC | thats what it says |
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| 16:47.51 | themill | !lose [BT]JaC |
| 16:47.51 | dpkg | [BT]JaC: You Lose. |
| 16:47.52 | azeem | looks like RHEL kernel |
| 16:47.55 | _igel_ | where are ssh's logs located? Even though I set it to DEBUG3 I cannot find it in /var/log...is it located somewhere else on debian? |
| 16:47.58 | SamuraiDio | !chroot |
| 16:47.58 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 16:48.16 | azeem | [BT]JaC: if you plan to upgrade to stable, read the etch release notes |
| 16:48.26 | [BT]JaC | i cant upgrade |
| 16:48.33 | [BT]JaC | the company has to do it |
| 16:48.55 | azeem | what? |
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| 16:49.05 | azeem | I thought you were root |
| 16:49.17 | gotbb | I have a problem with Ctrl-Alt-f(x) in xorg. |
| 16:49.18 | gotbb | http://paste.debian.net/50799 |
| 16:50.53 | [BT]JaC | ohh |
| 16:50.55 | [BT]JaC | yes im root |
| 16:50.59 | [BT]JaC | you can upgrade via root? |
| 16:51.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.35 | azeem | [BT]JaC: what do you plan to upgrade? |
| 16:51.46 | azeem | [BT]JaC: are you sure you should run a vPS? |
| 16:51.59 | [BT]JaC | all i need is for a gta server to run and an ircd |
| 16:52.17 | [BT]JaC | and i need that libstdc++6 |
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| 16:52.45 | wols | azeem: etch libc6 won't run with a 2.6.9 kernel? |
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| 16:52.54 | wols | while unsupported yes, it should work, no? |
| 16:52.55 | azeem | it will |
| 16:53.00 | wlan1 | Heya all |
| 16:53.01 | azeem | I didn't say it wouldn't |
| 16:53.26 | wlan1 | I would like to maintain a package or 2 for debian |
| 16:53.31 | wlan1 | how do I get started ? |
| 16:53.47 | azeem | wlan1: read the new maintainers guide |
| 16:53.50 | [BT]JaC | hmm, when i do apt-get update i get errors |
| 16:53.53 | [BT]JaC | i'll pastebin them |
| 16:54.26 | wlan1 | azeem :you maintain any package ? |
| 16:54.32 | azeem | wlan1: why? |
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| 16:54.51 | [BT]JaC | http://rafb.net/p/sDl3fk25.html |
| 16:56.14 | wlan1 | just asking.. so I get to know.. any things like eligibility ? |
| 16:56.25 | azeem | [BT]JaC: well your apt-get is broken |
| 16:56.41 | azeem | apt-get: relocation error: /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5.so.3.3: undefined symbol: _^N10pkgAcquire4Item6RenameESsSs |
| 16:56.57 | azeem | wlan1: eligibility? |
| 16:57.03 | [BT]JaC | how can i fix it then |
| 16:57.13 | wlan1 | yeah.. things that are needed to be know.. |
| 16:57.19 | wlan1 | before starting |
| 16:57.30 | abrotman | wlan1: if you want to become a DD .. there's a process, but everyone is eligible to at least start the process |
| 16:57.30 | azeem | [BT]JaC: I don't think it's worth fixing, the system is totally broken |
| 16:57.33 | azeem | FUBAR |
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| 16:57.53 | wlan1 | okay :) |
| 16:57.55 | abrotman | !nmg |
| 16:57.55 | dpkg | somebody said nmg was Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 16:58.06 | abrotman | that's a useless link for nmg |
| 16:58.33 | [BT]JaC | azeem i have paid for this :/ |
| 16:58.45 | azeem | so report the error to them |
| 16:58.51 | azeem | you paid for it |
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| 17:00.46 | sordith | but be prepared that Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are hard stuff to consume :-) |
| 17:02.26 | sordith | you will need good friends who keep you motivated to keep consuming it |
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| 17:07.27 | SamuraiDio | even using schroot i need to bind some directories (/home /tmp /dev /proc) to the new chroot, right? |
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| 17:13.34 | kekko | Nyle: got problems with ieee80211 . Is there a way to reinstall with aptget? |
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| 17:14.29 | kanzure | .dpkg Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 17:14.39 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 17:14.39 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 17:14.51 | kanzure | abrotman: Ah, right. |
| 17:14.53 | kanzure | Hi abrotman :) |
| 17:15.09 | abrotman | hi |
| 17:15.35 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:15.44 | Nyle | kekko: what problem? |
| 17:15.51 | keith4 | so... I have a wireless card working with ndiswrapper, but when I boot, the interface tries to come up before wlan0 exists. how do I make ndiswrapper load before the interface tries to come up? |
| 17:15.57 | Nyle | kekko: enabled in kernel? stock? custom? whats up |
| 17:16.07 | Nyle | actually I'm about to head out sorry man |
| 17:16.25 | kekko | ok Nyle thanks anyway |
| 17:16.33 | abrotman | keith4: there's a pre-up .. you can have it load the module before it tries to start the interface |
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| 17:17.43 | keith4 | abrotman: ah, yes. why didn't I think of that? I was trying to futz with modprobe.d stuff |
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| 17:18.54 | S4nD3r | Is possible to have ç, ã, ó characters in ext3 mounted filesystem??? |
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| 17:19.55 | Nyle | kekko: nm its too cold outside |
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| 17:20.00 | Nyle | kekko: whats goin on? |
| 17:20.19 | Nyle | hmm, my mouse on 2nd monitor is a square cursor, big ugly block |
| 17:20.20 | dryrot | how can i make my samba server on my debian box, on my local network, be seen normally by everyone else on the network? sometimes its there when i browse... sometimes its not, its confusing and weird |
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| 17:20.43 | Nyle | dryrot: testing from windows? |
| 17:21.01 | simonrvn | just like windows. it should feel at home with win32 |
| 17:21.05 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:21.13 | S4nD3r | Is possible to have ç, ã, ó characters in ext3 mounted filesystem??? I tried use iocharset to mount, but this is an option unacceptable |
| 17:21.18 | dryrot | Nyle: testing from Windows and from another debian box on the local network |
| 17:21.21 | Nyle | now i gotta figure out why my mouse cursor is fucked on 2nd monior |
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| 17:22.21 | abrotman | dryrot: you might have more luck in #samba .. but check the logs .. and make sure nmbd is running |
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| 17:23.10 | xingu | keith4, abrotman: you could probably do something intelligent with /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 17:23.30 | abrotman | xingu: yes .. that also i suppose |
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| 17:24.39 | S4nD3r | Ok then... I read that those special characters (ç, ã, á, í) are not allowed in ext3 file system !!!! |
| 17:24.45 | xingu | gross. :) |
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| 17:26.23 | Yarcanox | how can I install the package prdoom WITHOUT the package freedoom? |
| 17:26.30 | Yarcanox | it always attempts to install the second one, too |
| 17:26.47 | aredhel | S4nD3r, I am not having any trouble making a file with those char in its name. |
| 17:26.55 | Yarcanox | it seems to be listed as dependent from that, but I want to ignore this dependency and install prdoom without that package |
| 17:26.57 | Yarcanox | how can I do it? |
| 17:27.25 | S4nD3r | aredhel: Which is setup in your fstab??? |
| 17:27.29 | themill | S4nD3r: have you tried? |
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| 17:27.56 | keith4 | is ifinfo packaged anywhere? i can't find it |
| 17:28.16 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb1 /disco2 ext3 defaults 0 2 Just like it ? |
| 17:28.34 | aredhel | S4nD3r, "/dev/mapper/main-temp /tmp ext3 defaults,user_xattr 0 ", but I think it has more to do with my local: "en_US.UTF-8" |
| 17:29.40 | S4nD3r | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 17:30.15 | aredhel | S4nD3r, the UTF-8 local should let you use any unicode char except "/" |
| 17:30.27 | aredhel | maybe a few others. |
| 17:30.36 | S4nD3r | strange then |
| 17:30.42 | S4nD3r | im running lenny ! |
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| 17:30.58 | abrotman | Yarcanox: why would you? |
| 17:31.02 | abrotman | !tell SamuraiDio about away |
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| 17:31.34 | Yarcanox | abrotman because I do not want to play freedoom? |
| 17:31.47 | Yarcanox | or t obe more accurate, not the outdated version that debian ships |
| 17:31.48 | abrotman | Yarcanox: it depends on it for a reason .. |
| 17:31.54 | Yarcanox | really? |
| 17:31.59 | abrotman | Yarcanox: same engine ? |
| 17:32.01 | Yarcanox | I guess it is no prob to use another IWAD instead |
| 17:32.03 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, ok, sorry... |
| 17:32.05 | Yarcanox | engine? lol, no |
| 17:32.13 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: thank you, have a nice day, come again! |
| 17:32.15 | Yarcanox | freedoom is just the wad |
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| 17:32.22 | abrotman | spitwad ? |
| 17:32.49 | sordith | *.wad is the levels and texture stuff |
| 17:32.57 | abrotman | i was kidding |
| 17:33.04 | sordith | oh |
| 17:33.25 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.25 | S4nD3r | LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 17:33.43 | Yarcanox | abrotman how can I list the files of a package? |
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| 17:34.01 | abrotman | Yarcanox: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file list <package> |
| 17:34.06 | Yarcanox | and the places/folders where they have been put |
| 17:35.39 | abrotman | Yarcanox: if it's installed .. dpkg -L <package> |
| 17:35.39 | keith4 | upgrade went swimmingly, eh? ha |
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| 17:36.53 | sordith | apt-file is very nice Perl magic, i really like this tool |
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| 17:37.01 | Yarcanox | and it doesn't work |
| 17:37.05 | Yarcanox | as I don't have my CD here |
| 17:37.16 | Yarcanox | and I can't get it to startup without |
| 17:37.19 | sordith | it only works when you are able to get data for it online |
| 17:37.26 | Yarcanox | I am |
| 17:37.37 | Yarcanox | but I don't have the cd here, although prdoom isn't even on that damn cd |
| 17:37.40 | Yarcanox | :< |
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| 17:37.56 | sordith | i dont get your point with the missing CD when you have online access |
| 17:38.01 | nopper | http://keymouse.berlios.de/ |
| 17:38.05 | Yarcanox | I don't get the point either sordith |
| 17:38.08 | Yarcanox | ask apt-file |
| 17:38.22 | Enverex | Is there a GUI Gnome app for connecting say. Bluetooth serial ports and such on other machines? |
| 17:38.30 | sordith | Yarcanox: comment out the CD source in your /etc/apt/sources.list maybe |
| 17:38.49 | sordith | then re-read package lists |
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| 17:39.38 | S4nD3r | which package has dkpg-reconfigure??? |
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| 17:39.51 | sordith | S4nD3r: apt-file can tell you that :-) |
| 17:40.21 | S4nD3r | This dpkg-reconfigure command, do not works |
| 17:40.40 | sordith | its in the package "debconf" actually |
| 17:41.05 | Yarcanox | apt-file is stuck >.< |
| 17:41.13 | Yarcanox | is apt-file update supposed to take very long? |
| 17:41.18 | Yarcanox | without any status messages? |
| 17:41.30 | sordith | Yarcanox: you can give it an option to be verbose |
| 17:41.38 | Yarcanox | I didn't |
| 17:41.41 | Yarcanox | I just typed apt-file update |
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| 17:42.19 | sordith | the speed of "apt-file update" depends on the speed of your internet connection, mirror and CPU |
| 17:43.04 | abrotman | Yarcanox: yes .. takes awhile |
| 17:43.18 | abrotman | Yarcanox: if it's installed .. dpkg -L <package> |
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| 17:44.22 | cjones | where are the logs stored for the file system check |
| 17:44.45 | sordith | cjones: /var/log/fsck |
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| 17:45.04 | cjones | sordith thanks |
| 17:45.08 | sordith | welcome |
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| 17:50.12 | cjones | could someone look at this and tell me whats wrong http://pastebin.ca/935459 |
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| 17:51.27 | cedeel | Hi, anybody knows why 32-bit apps don't have network connectivity on my amd64 system? Is it a common problem? |
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| 17:53.56 | sordith | cedeel: do you run the 32bit applications in a chroot? |
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| 17:54.22 | Enverex | GUI app for bluetooth services, anyone know of one? |
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| 17:54.54 | Soskel | any experienced system admins here? |
| 17:54.55 | sordith | Enverex: there is gnome-bluetooth e.g. |
| 17:55.10 | cedeel | sordith: no |
| 17:55.15 | sordith | Soskel: only highly paid ones. how much are you willing to pay? |
| 17:55.19 | dabreegster | I've modified inittab so that instead of 6 or so gettys with login, rungetty invokes screen as my main non-root account. However, it fails because /dev/tty1 is set to root/root. The group isn't tty. Where is this supposed to be set in the normal boot process? getty or login seems to set it. I tried adding a line in an rc2 script to change the group, but it gets reset by the time rungetty is called |
| 17:55.29 | Soskel | sordith: $25.hr |
| 17:55.30 | Enverex | sordith, That lets me pair but nothing else it seems |
| 17:55.31 | sordith | cedeel: check the debian wiki how to setup a 32bit chroot on your AMD64 then |
| 17:55.46 | cedeel | so it won't work without a chroot |
| 17:55.47 | cedeel | ?? |
| 17:55.52 | sordith | Enverex: apt-cache is your friend :--) |
| 17:56.11 | sordith | cedeel: no, cause a set of libraries are required |
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| 17:57.10 | cedeel | ok thanks :-) |
| 17:57.20 | cedeel | will have to do without then |
| 17:57.21 | sordith | welcome |
| 17:57.37 | cedeel | any alternative for sun java when running online apps? |
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| 17:58.30 | Enverex | sordith, Not finding anything in there that's obviously what I need :/ |
| 17:58.39 | dabreegster | It must be in makedev |
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| 18:04.55 | jeffwheeler | I'm sure this is either obvious, or it makes no sense, but how can I listen to stdout from a daemonized program? |
| 18:05.22 | eeccho | jeffwheeler, via a named pipe? |
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| 18:05.44 | jeffwheeler | eeccho: that could be what I'm looking for; thanks |
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| 18:07.37 | dabreegster | Why would makedev get permissions on /dev/tty* wrong? root/root instead of root/tty. But I'm skimming through the script now and $cons and $tty are both correct |
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| 18:10.23 | octox2 | can someone give ne a quick explination of what "{$USER}" does in this situation "echo ${USER}" since it doesnt seem to be an option of the command echo and by itself doesnt seem to do anything either ? |
| 18:10.24 | Spida | how can I create a lvm2 logical volume if I have two volumegroups with the same name? can I use the uid for lvcreate? how? |
| 18:11.19 | sepski | Spida, can you actualy have 2 volume groups with the same name ?? |
| 18:11.28 | eeccho | octox2, an environment variable |
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| 18:11.56 | octox2 | eeccho: ooooh ok, is echo the only way o look at it? |
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| 18:12.40 | Spida | sepski: if you create them seperatly and the plug the hdds in together, yes |
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| 18:13.03 | eeccho | octox2, nope, you can use it in shell scripts |
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| 18:13.16 | lynucs | is there any good guide how to configure 5.1 soundcard? asoundconf list doesnt list the soundcard.. but aplay -l shows it |
| 18:13.26 | sepski | Spida, think perhaps i would want to rename one of them with vgrename |
| 18:13.44 | octox2 | eeccho: is there a list of environmet variables i can look at fr fun? |
| 18:13.54 | Spida | sepski: thats an idea *g* |
| 18:13.56 | ignu | help a noob? What's the easiest way to format a usb flash drive? (in such a way that it can be used to open a file on a windows computer) |
| 18:13.58 | eeccho | octox2, set | less |
| 18:14.34 | octox2 | eeccho: haha rock on |
| 18:14.50 | octox2 | eeccho: you use set to set variables i guess too? |
| 18:14.58 | mike1o | ignu install gparted |
| 18:15.12 | eeccho | octox2, not really, it's enough to VARIABLE=value |
| 18:15.12 | ignu | mikelo |
| 18:15.13 | sepski | ignu, i think i would have used mkfs.vfat -F32 /dev/deviceXX |
| 18:15.16 | ignu | mikely: thx |
| 18:15.17 | Spida | sepski: that only takes the name of the volumegroup, too |
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| 18:15.50 | sepski | Spida, yeah i think youll run into many issues with 2 identical ones |
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| 18:16.25 | octox2 | like, I could go SHELL=/sbin/bash and that would change it? |
| 18:16.27 | ignu | sepski: thx |
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| 18:16.33 | sepski | Spida, boot a livecd and change the vgname on the moving hd. or rename the one you have before plugging in the new one, but that require more work. like editing fstab files and perhaps recreating initrd's |
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| 18:16.46 | Spida | sepski: I was just looking for a method to fix them without pulling one hdd out |
| 18:17.02 | Spida | sepski: thx |
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| 18:17.21 | goretex | hi |
| 18:17.22 | octox2 | eeccho: or QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt4 and that would change it? |
| 18:17.25 | sepski | Spida, i dont know of any i am afraid. i'v allways made sure i avoided that scenario |
| 18:17.29 | octox2 | eeccho: well, ill jsut try :) |
| 18:17.43 | eeccho | octox2, yes, but it's lost on your next login |
| 18:18.04 | Spida | sepski: I now understand why. |
| 18:18.08 | cjones | what file controls what partitions are mounted on boot ? |
| 18:18.20 | Spida | sepski: I don't understand why there is a uid, if you can't use it |
| 18:18.28 | sepski | Spida, hmm vgrename should support UUID as oldname when i read my man page |
| 18:18.29 | eeccho | cjones, /etc/fstab |
| 18:18.30 | sepski | (lenny) |
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| 18:18.35 | goretex | i make a deb pkg with dpkg-buildsource -rfakeroot -b, and i want to add the file for gnome menu.. how i un pack and add and pack again?? |
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| 18:18.43 | cjones | eeccho thanks |
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| 18:18.51 | octox2 | eeccho: oh, all of the variables are stored in a file somewhere? |
| 18:19.12 | eeccho | octox2, in ~/.bash_profile |
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| 18:21.25 | Spida | sepski: yeah, that would work.... but: "Volume group "Disk" still has active LVs" and vgchange doesn't seem to work with uids.... |
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| 18:21.40 | sepski | Spida, i guess it sees the one you have in use,,and think they are the same.. |
| 18:21.41 | Spida | ok, I will reboot and pull out the other one. |
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| 18:21.53 | cjones | eeccho my etc/fstab looks liek this what do i have to change to automount my ntfs partitions http://pastebin.ca/935507 |
| 18:22.37 | eeccho | remove noauto |
| 18:22.53 | cjones | thanksd |
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| 18:25.49 | nascentmind | hi. how can i get ip address from a dhcp server? |
| 18:26.13 | sepski | nascentmind, with a dhcp client |
| 18:26.27 | nascentmind | sepski, i am using dhcpcd. is it right? |
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| 18:26.58 | sepski | nascentmind, it's one of them yes and should work |
| 18:27.13 | sepski | nascentmind, then you read man interfaces and configure your network card to use dhcp |
| 18:28.52 | nascentmind | sepski, when i enable debug in syslog i am not able to get any address. |
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| 18:29.09 | Pyro | nascentmind, the command to get an IP via dhcp is dhclient |
| 18:29.10 | sepski | but it tries ? are there a dhcp server working ? and are there free leases |
| 18:29.10 | nascentmind | sepski, it says ipv6 routers not found |
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| 18:29.10 | nascentmind | sepski, yes there is a dhcp server because i can connect using windows. |
| 18:29.10 | sepski | nascentmind,... did you expect there to be. or are you just expecting ipv4 addresses |
| 18:29.19 | nascentmind | i am expecting only ipv4 addr |
| 18:29.20 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 18:29.36 | sepski | nascentmind, check your interface in the interfaces file |
| 18:29.37 | Johanna | hi all o/ |
| 18:29.46 | cjones | eecco i changed it to this http://pastebin.ca/935513 no work do i also need to remove the leading coma's? |
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| 18:30.02 | nascentmind | sepski, its eth0 and its a nic card. |
| 18:30.06 | Ace2016 | does anyone know to stop my kernel finding out that the system is a laptop? its doing the letters to numbers thing when numlock is on |
| 18:30.21 | sepski | nascentmind, ifconfig -a are there a eth0 ? does it have a ip or not ? |
| 18:30.37 | nascentmind | sepski, it does not have an ip addr. |
| 18:30.43 | nascentmind | there is eth0 |
| 18:31.03 | dvs | o_O |
| 18:31.26 | sepski | nascentmind, nick have a link ? and is configured to use dhcp in the interfaces file ? (check for typos as well) |
| 18:31.29 | dirk_ | running XP in vbox, how much video memory should I give in setting in vbox? |
| 18:31.43 | sepski | Ace2016, isnt' that a keyboard thing that's unrelated to the kernel |
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| 18:31.52 | Soskel | hi |
| 18:31.55 | Ace2016 | i don't know |
| 18:32.07 | Ace2016 | they keyboard has a separate letters and a number area |
| 18:32.10 | Soskel | where can I find the default debian server list of installed applications |
| 18:32.20 | cjones | dirk_ i use at least 16 more if you can spare it |
| 18:32.33 | sordith | Soskel: dpkg -l |
| 18:32.36 | Ace2016 | so i'm COMPLETELY stripping the kernel of EVERYTHING apart from the absolute basics needed to work to see what on earth is going on here |
| 18:32.36 | Soskel | what does debain server edition come installed with? |
| 18:32.43 | sepski | Ace2016, have no idea. have not experienced that |
| 18:32.45 | dirk_ | cjones, I have a nvidia geforce 4, 128 MB memory |
| 18:32.52 | dvs | Soskel: there is no debian server edition |
| 18:32.59 | Soskel | debian server? |
| 18:33.09 | nascentmind | sepski, where can i find the interfaces file? |
| 18:33.12 | dvs | Soskel: Oh? The install profile? |
| 18:33.14 | Soskel | sordith: I don't have debian |
| 18:33.20 | Soskel | dvs: yeah!!! |
| 18:33.21 | Soskel | that |
| 18:33.28 | Ace2016 | letters without numlock /// left: no numlock /// right: with numlock // 3etters w5th n4036c2 |
| 18:33.38 | sepski | nascentmind, /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:33.46 | sepski | nascentmind, read man interfaces |
| 18:33.56 | nascentmind | sepski, will do now. |
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| 18:33.58 | Soskel | dvs: ?? |
| 18:34.01 | dvs | Soskel: I couldn't tell you off hand. I'd get it'd come with LAMP. You can install anything you wanted after the initial install |
| 18:34.10 | xingu | Ace2016: that's entirely down to your keyboard firmware. |
| 18:34.14 | Soskel | hmmm |
| 18:34.33 | Ace2016 | xingu: oh |
| 18:34.36 | xingu | Ace2016: bitch to your vendor, if you moan loud enough they might even give you a custom bios that doesn't do that. |
| 18:34.41 | sepski | Soskel, just install a barebone and install whatever you want afterwards |
| 18:34.50 | sordith | Soskel: there is multiple choices. to install a base system which uses about 200MB disk space, and there is choices during the installation procedure to add additional software |
| 18:34.58 | Ace2016 | wtf since when do keyboards get firmware? |
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| 18:35.15 | Ace2016 | i mean its a keyboard, simple short circuiting of wires |
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| 18:35.31 | sordith | Soskel: what software you actually install on your server depends on your desires |
| 18:35.34 | Ace2016 | well not that simple but simple enough |
| 18:35.36 | dvs | Ace2016: when that keyboard is on a laptop, anything is possible. |
| 18:35.45 | Soskel | sordith: like, if I wanted to install APF, it would just be apt-get install apf and that will also configure everything? |
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| 18:35.48 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 18:35.53 | Soskel | sordith: hmmm |
| 18:36.09 | Ace2016 | dvs and xingu: so would the firmware be on the keyboard itself or the motherboard? |
| 18:36.11 | dvs | Soskel: after a couple of questions, probably |
| 18:36.23 | dvs | Ace2016: part of the motherboard. |
| 18:36.23 | sordith | Soskel: installation and configuration are 2 steps. if you run a server that is connected to the internet it would be a bad idea to keep the default configuration |
| 18:36.53 | Soskel | alright, thanks! |
| 18:36.59 | Soskel | that's all I need |
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| 18:38.33 | Ace2016 | hm.. i need to replace the keyboard anyway, i'll look into bios, the system is in warranty but i can't afford for the laptop to be lost by them |
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| 18:39.44 | goretex | i make a deb pkg with dpkg-buildsource -rfakeroot -b, and i want to add the file for gnome menu.. how i un pack and add and pack again?? |
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| 18:45.09 | cjones | is there a channel for vbox? |
| 18:45.46 | tonyb486 | #virtualbox maybe? |
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| 18:47.00 | sigjuice | how can I list packages by install date? |
| 18:47.28 | sordith | sigjuice: do some grep magic to /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 18:47.44 | sigjuice | thanks |
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| 18:49.49 | Nyle | toke toke toke, all day long, toke toke toke while I sing this song |
| 18:49.54 | Nyle | dvs: hi |
| 18:49.56 | the_darkside_986 | anyone know a way to make an Ati Rage Pro work with xserver? |
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| 18:50.05 | Nyle | !ati |
| 18:50.06 | dpkg | i heard ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. |
| 18:50.15 | agresor | !nvidia |
| 18:50.16 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 18:51.39 | Nyle | btw |
| 18:51.41 | the_darkside_986 | i have no hope of getting a newer card for this machine. i was hoping that i could somehow fix xorg.conf to make it start w/o blank screen. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didn't help either. i can't even get the fbdev driver to work. it crashes. |
| 18:52.00 | Nyle | dvs: oh i need to do that |
| 18:52.08 | Nyle | or actually my sis needs to for me |
| 18:52.09 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:52.14 | Nyle | she is a master at that |
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| 18:52.25 | sordith | guys, the people who made this nice channel here dont want off topic chat in here, thats why they made #debian-offtopic |
| 18:53.23 | Nyle | dpkg sordith is the topic police |
| 18:53.23 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 18:53.28 | Nyle | dpkg: thank you |
| 18:53.28 | dpkg | Nyle: no problem |
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| 18:53.39 | lindenle | !botsnack |
| 18:53.39 | dpkg | lindenle: :) |
| 18:53.55 | sordith | Nyle: i made a joke earlier about using drugs while you are on the internet. there is some truth in such jokes |
| 18:54.06 | sordith | dpkg: forget sordith |
| 18:54.06 | dpkg | sordith: i forgot sordith |
| 18:54.29 | Nyle | sordith: keep lecturing you'll be ignored soon |
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| 18:55.23 | sordith | Nyle: i dont mind if you ignore me or not. if you dont get the point of my reminder, then you have a problem. its about 800 people on this channel who all have to read your pot head babbling. dont be egoistical and take your chat to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:55.47 | dvs | taxes done! |
| 18:55.48 | Nyle | sordith: why are you picking on me? |
| 18:55.54 | the_darkside_986 | sometimes i wish ATI would never have existed... this is so hopeless |
| 18:56.03 | Nyle | sordith: I just said hi to someone |
| 18:56.06 | sordith | Nyle: i am not picking on you. i try to explain something to you that seems to be of importance |
| 18:56.18 | Nyle | sordith: why do you think I don't know that? |
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| 18:56.59 | cahoot | take a guess |
| 18:57.15 | sordith | Nyle: context is the chatlog of today. grep it for your name in a moment where you feel good and while you are not under influence of any strange substances |
| 18:57.27 | Nyle | I get it |
| 18:57.41 | Nyle | you're one of those anti this and anti that |
| 18:57.51 | Nyle | you should /ignore Nyle |
| 18:58.09 | sordith | Nyle: no. actually, i try to prevent you from running into problems with the channel leadership :-) |
| 18:58.15 | lunaphyte | i've been having trouble with ntpd after upgrading from a 2.4 kernel to 2.6.22. a few things i've been reading have suggested disabling apic and/or apci. is that a bad/good idea? |
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| 18:58.46 | Nyle | sordith: this is not just today |
| 18:59.07 | sordith | i cant help you further if you dont want to listen to my opinion |
| 18:59.12 | Nyle | lunaphyte: im not sure how that would effect it |
| 18:59.17 | Hwin | can you take it to query, considering this started over offtopicness? |
| 18:59.24 | Hwin | christ |
| 18:59.27 | Nyle | Hwin: I'm not really interested |
| 18:59.32 | Nyle | tell him to leave me alone if you like |
| 18:59.38 | sordith | heh |
| 18:59.45 | Hwin | Use your own good advice: /ignore. |
| 18:59.53 | Nyle | lunaphyte: you did a sarge > lenny? |
| 18:59.55 | Hwin | Or shut the fuck up. |
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| 19:00.12 | sordith | that did not turn out how i planned it. i am sorry :-) |
| 19:00.18 | Nyle | no you are not |
| 19:01.17 | gribouille | hi |
| 19:01.26 | Nyle | self righteous holier than thou shit, keep it to yourlsef. you're lecturing me cuz i said 'hi dvs, whats up' 'im doing taxes' oh yeh' blahblah. done. thats it |
| 19:01.32 | gribouille | I'm trying to run debian live with qemu, but it fails |
| 19:01.41 | sordith | Nyle: forget it |
| 19:01.46 | lunaphyte | Nyle: support.ntp.org references apic/acpi problem w/ 2.6 in a few places. |
| 19:01.53 | eeccho | gribouille, fails at what? |
| 19:01.57 | Nyle | lunaphyte: I'm looking on google actually too |
| 19:02.10 | Nyle | lunaphyte: I have sarge box i need to upgrade and its got a 2.4 kernel |
| 19:02.11 | dvs | Nyle: what? Wuzzup? I just wanted to say that I'm finished. |
| 19:02.16 | gribouille | eeccho, at booting |
| 19:02.19 | dvs | I'm free |
| 19:02.19 | lunaphyte | Nyle: not exactly a sarge > lenny, but this machine runs testing and hadn't been updated in some time, so similar. |
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| 19:02.33 | Nyle | lunaphyte: I see |
| 19:02.43 | eeccho | gribouille, what's the last it reports? |
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| 19:02.53 | Nyle | lunaphyte: its not but I'm just saying |
| 19:02.57 | lunaphyte | i'm just wondering what compelling reasons there might be to not disable apic or acpi. |
| 19:03.37 | Nyle | lunaphyte: I don't really care about em, enabled or disabled, but some people have a need for it to be enabled |
| 19:03.49 | Nyle | mobile users maybe i dunno |
| 19:03.58 | the_darkside_986 | does anyone know good values for refresh rates on a typical old CRT? i want X to work but at the same time, i don't want to blow up my monitor |
| 19:04.18 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.23 | lunaphyte | how do i see my current hz setting? |
| 19:04.31 | cahoot | the_darkside_986: try gtf? |
| 19:04.35 | Nyle | the_darkside_986: while running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg pick simpmle config mode and chose generic ones |
| 19:04.38 | lindenle | !gtf |
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| 19:04.50 | gribouille | eeccho, for example, there is the followng lessage : FATAL : Error inserting thermal (<path>/thermal.ko) : No such device |
| 19:05.10 | Decao | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.18 | the_darkside_986 | well, it is trying to guess the values that are "safe" but do not work. well i guess i will try something near 60 |
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| 19:05.21 | eeccho | gribouille, qemu doesn't emulate hardware sensors |
| 19:06.07 | Nyle | the_darkside_986: google says what about that model of monitor? |
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| 19:06.54 | gribouille | eeccho, there is also this error message : /bin/sh: can't access tty; |
| 19:08.05 | agresor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.10 | agresor | i have downloaded 3. |
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| 19:09.16 | wols | agresor: yes |
| 19:09.22 | seeds | how can get my 8187B realtex wireless adapter to work in debian testing? |
| 19:09.45 | wols | seeds: ndiswrapper. realtek wlan is shit :( |
| 19:09.57 | the_darkside_986 | *i mean to say that i have found no vrefresh rate info for gateway LE500 crt via google. |
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| 19:10.09 | seeds | i know realtek sux man |
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| 19:10.26 | seeds | i have tried ndiswrapper but no luck |
| 19:10.47 | the_darkside_986 | this is my only X org obstacle. i found out the monitor's rates were at fault by reading the xorg log |
| 19:11.43 | wols | the_darkside_986: so change them |
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| 19:12.16 | the_darkside_986 | that is the issue. i am working on guessing different values until the monitor quits saying "Freq out of range" |
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| 19:13.24 | seeds | what wireless card works best with linux? |
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| 19:14.58 | the_darkside_986 | any Atheros-chipset based card should work fine with the restricted "madwifi" driver but i think they are working on an open source driver for it |
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| 19:16.39 | seeds | well my notebook is a toshiba |
| 19:17.13 | dvs | seeds: The built-in Intel ones usually work well. |
| 19:17.14 | gribouille | does qemu use e kernel module ? |
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| 19:17.49 | lunaphyte | how do i see my current HZ setting? |
| 19:17.56 | lunaphyte | or, how do i change it? |
| 19:18.24 | lunaphyte | err, kernel HZ setting, to be specific. |
| 19:18.28 | dvs | lunaphyte: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 19:18.54 | lunaphyte | the results i get when searching are all related to displays. |
| 19:19.07 | moope1 | hullo, I have set up samba user dir share on my lappy but I cant write to it remotely |
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| 19:19.21 | moope1 | permissions of the folder is drwxr-xr-x |
| 19:19.31 | seeds | ok dvs. but i think my card is onboard. |
| 19:19.33 | lunaphyte | HZ as in kernel timer frequency |
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| 19:19.48 | dvs | seeds: lspci | grep -i wireless |
| 19:19.56 | seeds | ok |
| 19:20.09 | kqrl | how can i sort of... limit the number of modules loaded during startup? i want to quicken the startup-time, and i know i'll never, for example, use the printer, so might i just inactivate that module? |
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| 19:20.37 | Haps | Greetz. Where is the kernel source tree located ? Trying to install the NVidia drivers :) |
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| 19:20.52 | dvs | Haps: you only need the header files |
| 19:20.54 | Haps | I just installed the source tree - just dont know where it is located |
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| 19:21.06 | Haps | dvs > Where are they located ? |
| 19:21.16 | eeccho | Haps, /usr/src/linux |
| 19:21.16 | Tramp | lunaphyte: maybe "zgrep HZ /proc/config.gz" ? |
| 19:21.17 | dvs | Haps: /usr/src if they are installed |
| 19:21.24 | seeds | dvs can i use a usb external card? |
| 19:21.37 | dvs | seeds: sure |
| 19:21.47 | Haps | Okay, thanks - but where is the tree located then ? |
| 19:21.49 | dvs | it may not work though |
| 19:21.54 | Haps | Still would like to know :) |
| 19:22.03 | lunaphyte | Tramp: i don't seem to have /proc/config.gz..? |
| 19:22.15 | dvs | Haps: /usr/src/kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:22.23 | dvs | Haps: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:22.26 | seeds | ok are they any intel cards like that? |
| 19:22.43 | Tramp | lunaphyte: hmm. The Debian kernels have their config in /boot, afaik then. |
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| 19:22.46 | dvs | seeds: not that I know of. They are the Centrino chipsets |
| 19:22.58 | nascentmind | i have checked the interfaces file |
| 19:23.09 | nascentmind | it says iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 19:23.32 | dvs | nascentmind: does it say "auto eth0"? |
| 19:23.39 | seeds | ok. |
| 19:23.44 | nascentmind | yes it says |
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| 19:24.00 | legion | pdg |
| 19:24.11 | dvs | nascentmind: then what's the problem? |
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| 19:24.37 | nascentmind | dvs i am not able to get an ip addr. |
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| 19:25.03 | dvs | nascentmind: are you using dhcp? |
| 19:25.06 | nascentmind | dhcpcd seems to time out. |
| 19:25.12 | nascentmind | dvs,yes |
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| 19:25.34 | nascentmind | dvs, i am able to get the ipaddr in windows. |
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| 19:25.39 | dvs | nascentmind: is dhclient installed? |
| 19:25.50 | nascentmind | dvs,only dhcpcd is installed. |
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| 19:26.33 | lunaphyte | hmm, there seem to be some indications that HZ might be set to 250 - how can i confirm this? |
| 19:27.14 | NiLon | I'm trying to change mount point of /home to different partition, it works fine except it's not size of partition, atleast df says so |
| 19:27.30 | NiLon | http://phpfi.com/301583 there's something that could help |
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| 19:27.43 | dvs | nascentmind: I'd install dhcp-client |
| 19:28.28 | nascentmind | dvs,for some reason whenever i boot from windows to linux i get the ip. |
| 19:28.44 | Tramp | lunaphyte: idea: "grep timer /proc/interrupts; sleep 10; grep timer /proc/interrupts" - numbers should differ by about 2500 (give and take some) |
| 19:28.44 | dvs | nascentmind: you have my answer |
| 19:28.59 | nascentmind | dvs, is it better than dhcpcd? |
| 19:29.27 | Tramp | lunaphyte: probably there is also some value in /proc or /sys where it can be read out - but I don't know. |
| 19:29.42 | seeds | how can i use linuxant drivers to enable my wireless in debian |
| 19:29.47 | dvs | nascentmind: if dhcpcd doesn't work, then try it. |
| 19:30.21 | lunaphyte | Tramp: clever. that seems to corroborate it, at least a bit - 2511. |
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| 19:30.41 | Tramp | lunaphyte: well, I'd say that's good enough 8) |
| 19:30.53 | techouse | can anyone tell me how to enable and use my wireless (intel 3945)? |
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| 19:31.23 | PaloAlto | hi |
| 19:31.24 | nascentmind | dvs,k |
| 19:31.24 | Nyle | Tramp: hey there |
| 19:31.29 | PaloAlto | im having trouble creating link |
| 19:31.30 | PaloAlto | ln /home/aucampia/docbook/fop-0.94/fop /usr/sbin/fop |
| 19:31.30 | PaloAlto | ln: creating hard link `/usr/sbin/fop' to `/home/aucampia/docbook/fop-0.94/fop': Invalid cross-device link |
| 19:31.33 | Nyle | Tramp: happy sunday ? :) |
| 19:31.33 | PaloAlto | any advice ? |
| 19:31.50 | m8ram | hi: I'm looking for information on how to help with the abcde project. The maintainer (and upstream author) appears to have abandoned this project and I'd like to know what the correct way is to start helping with this project. |
| 19:32.10 | Tramp | Nyle: hello - well, not too bad ;) |
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| 19:32.30 | roe_ | anyone know how to check to see how much randomness is available? |
| 19:32.35 | agresor | does Debian 4 do auto mount ntfs partition ? |
| 19:32.40 | Nyle | Tramp: you maybe very happy to know that I fixed my dual head configuration issues |
| 19:32.48 | agresor | or i must do it manualy via ntfs-33g |
| 19:32.50 | Nyle | Tramp: so allow me to brighten your day a bit more :) |
| 19:32.51 | agresor | 3g* |
| 19:32.59 | Nyle | hahah :) |
| 19:33.10 | Tramp | PaloAlto: make a soft link (ln -s). |
| 19:33.15 | Nyle | agresor: no but you can make it so |
| 19:33.22 | Nyle | agresor: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 19:33.58 | Nyle | agresor: debian, unlike ubuntu will not automount ntfs with rw/3g |
| 19:34.02 | PaloAlto | thanks tramp |
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| 19:34.25 | Nyle | agresor: its mostly becuase debian isn't stupid. We realize some people may be paranoid and may not wish to mount ntfsrw |
| 19:34.28 | agresor | k. |
| 19:34.36 | Nyle | it would be presumptious on our end if we did that |
| 19:34.39 | techouse | i already installed all the ipw3945 stuff but i can't figure out how to use the wireless card? is there some wireless assistant? when i un iwconfig i got only lo and eth0 (=wired) in it... do i have to add anything into /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:35.09 | m8ram | techouse: you will need the ipw3945d and th ieee80211 subsystem |
| 19:35.09 | Nyle | techouse: install wireless-tools |
| 19:35.32 | Nyle | m8ram: afaik the debian kernel has the latter enabled |
| 19:35.35 | Nyle | stock kernel* |
| 19:35.50 | Nyle | crap brb |
| 19:35.58 | m8ram | techouse: do you have some kind of led indicating the device is active? |
| 19:36.01 | techouse | already got ipw3945d and wireless-tools |
| 19:36.18 | m8ram | Nyle: possibly: the instructions I'm looking at on how I did it are pretty old by now |
| 19:36.23 | techouse | i have a witch to turn it on :) it's been on for some time :) |
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| 19:36.27 | techouse | switch* |
| 19:36.39 | stoned | back |
| 19:36.56 | techouse | Nyle is now known as stoned<--- ROFLMAO! |
| 19:37.04 | stoned | :D hi hi |
| 19:37.13 | moope1 | hullo, I have set up samba to share the user dir on my lappy but I cant write to it remotely, permissions seem to be set up properly and he config file seems to be right. I can read but not write. Its veryy annoying :) |
| 19:37.43 | m8ram | techouse: do you get any device if you run iwconfig? |
| 19:37.48 | stoned | moope1: what are the perms and pastebin your shares and security level info |
| 19:38.20 | stoned | m8ram: oh yeh, I thought the ieee80211 is enabled in stock debian kernels |
| 19:38.21 | techouse | m8ram: |
| 19:38.22 | stoned | is it not? |
| 19:38.23 | techouse | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 19:38.23 | techouse | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
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| 19:38.30 | techouse | only that |
| 19:38.53 | Tramp | roe_: man 4 random, search for poolsize |
| 19:39.00 | m8ram | stoned: as I wrote (just when you left): it might be - I was looking at my own notes on how to enable this card - but the instructions are pretty old by now |
| 19:39.01 | roe_ | found it thanx |
| 19:39.07 | moope1 | stoned: The directory its self is drwxr-xr-x which is 764?? |
| 19:39.17 | m8ram | techouse: did you start the ipw3945d ? |
| 19:39.27 | stoned | moope1: seems ok, let me see your smb.conf |
| 19:39.35 | techouse | uhmm....how? /etc/init.d/something? |
| 19:39.43 | klync | moope1: that's 755 |
| 19:39.56 | hark | !tell techouse about ipw3945 |
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| 19:40.19 | moope1 | stoned: http://rafb.net/p/Wk2snU79.html |
| 19:40.47 | stoned | moope1: retell me the problem again |
| 19:41.06 | moope1 | heh, Reefer eh? |
| 19:41.17 | moope1 | stoned, I can read but not write to the share |
| 19:41.18 | stoned | no i quit |
| 19:41.20 | techouse | hark: already did all of that :P |
| 19:41.33 | moope1 | stoned: well done :) |
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| 19:41.45 | moope1 | I have set up user dir share |
| 19:41.45 | hark | techouse: what happens when you modprobe then? |
| 19:41.48 | stoned | not quit smoking, I quit irc |
| 19:41.52 | stoned | moope1: hang on |
| 19:41.56 | moope1 | snigger |
| 19:42.02 | techouse | hark: nothin :( |
| 19:42.09 | stoned | just to let yo know you don't have a domain/workgroup specified |
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| 19:42.17 | hark | techouse: and what does dmesg say? |
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| 19:42.20 | kqrl | how can i sort of... limit the number of modules loaded during startup? i want to quicken the startup-time, and i know i'll never, for example, use the printer, so might i just inactivate that module? and how? |
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| 19:42.38 | m8ram | techouse: not sure, I'm checking my own system, just a sec |
| 19:43.11 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.25 | stoned | ; writable = yes |
| 19:43.29 | stoned | uncomment this |
| 19:43.35 | moope1 | stoned, do I need a domain/workgroup? |
| 19:43.36 | stoned | restart samba, change browseable no to yes |
| 19:43.46 | stoned | moope1: yes |
| 19:43.52 | techouse | hark: http://pastebin.com/m1898a1f7 |
| 19:44.08 | moope1 | oh, is ; a comment? |
| 19:44.09 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.13 | stoned | moope1: yes |
| 19:44.21 | stoned | kinda |
| 19:44.43 | stoned | read the top of the file |
| 19:44.48 | stoned | its not a 'comemnt' comment per se |
| 19:44.56 | stoned | but yeh its a comment |
| 19:45.34 | hark | techouse: install the firmware |
| 19:46.06 | stoned | moope1: you HAVE added a user through smbpasswd -a |
| 19:46.07 | stoned | ? |
| 19:46.14 | m8ram | techouse: check http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/README.ipw3945 |
| 19:46.18 | moope1 | stoned: sure :) I have read access |
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| 19:46.38 | stoned | I don't see how, I see no shares defined, and homes is not browseable |
| 19:46.51 | moope1 | it just works :) |
| 19:46.56 | stoned | how do you have read access? |
| 19:47.06 | agresor | i'm trying to install debian, burned dvd's.. and at boot, i get error "Kernel Panic -- I0 APIC - timer doesn't work!" |
| 19:47.10 | stoned | is that from /etc/samba/smb.conf? |
| 19:47.24 | moope1 | stoned: :) |
| 19:47.37 | techouse | hark: i currently have firmware-iwlwifi installed. do i need firmware-ipw3945 as well? |
| 19:47.39 | agresor | anyone know what can be problem ? |
| 19:47.39 | stoned | thats not an answer, thats a goofy smile ;) |
| 19:47.52 | m8ram | techouse: and you need to load the driver: on ubuntu linux-restricted-modules-common adds a file to /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 19:48.58 | petemc | agresor: try adding noapic to the kernel line |
| 19:49.02 | moope1 | stones, still aint workin |
| 19:49.07 | hark | techouse: it's firmware-ipw3945 for you unless you're on sid |
| 19:49.19 | the_darkside_986 | my x log keeps saying "hsync out of range" for each mode it tries to display. i end up with only a blank screen. i've tried every HorizSync value i've found on google |
| 19:49.22 | stoned | moope1: did you restart samba? |
| 19:49.29 | techouse | lenny :P |
| 19:49.31 | stoned | moope1: pastebin the new smb.conf |
| 19:50.34 | stoned | and even after explicitly enabling writeable yes in conf you got no write, you might want to check your permissions on the share |
| 19:50.39 | techouse | ok...switched the firmwares not i gotta figure out how to load this thing :P |
| 19:50.50 | stoned | and if you still can't get it to work, consult #samba |
| 19:51.01 | moope1 | stoned the dir I am trying to write is 755 and the file is 777 |
| 19:51.15 | hark | techouse: modprobe -r ipw3945 && modprobe ipw3945 |
| 19:51.20 | stoned | moope1: I think you need samba |
| 19:51.22 | stoned | #samba |
| 19:51.34 | moope1 | stones, ta for you help |
| 19:51.36 | Supaplex | the_darkside_986: you need to use the ranges provided by your monitor make/model/etc - hazarding a guess with those has known to cause fires before |
| 19:51.50 | stoned | moope1: sure buddy, I don't know much sorry I couldn't fix the problem |
| 19:52.02 | techouse | hark: yay! Starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon: ipw3945d. |
| 19:52.03 | Supaplex | the_darkside_986: find the manual for your monitor. it'll be there. don't substitute |
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| 19:52.19 | stoned | Supaplex: Good afternoon sir.... |
| 19:52.20 | techouse | now how do i autostart it? add it under gnome sessions? |
| 19:53.01 | m8ram | techouse: as I said I have a script in /etc/modprobe.d/ that automatically loads the driver ands starts the daemon |
| 19:53.09 | hark | techouse: no, no need to :) does iwconfig show it? |
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| 19:53.28 | techouse | hark: yes it shows |
| 19:54.05 | the_darkside_986 | well, h=28-51 and v=43-60 has worked in other setups with this monitor. i don't know why it just won't work now |
| 19:54.08 | techouse | hark: http://pastebin.com/d49f2370d |
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| 19:54.40 | nascentmind | is there something like a repair option for network connections in linux? |
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| 19:55.02 | techouse | the_darkside_986: doesn't reconfigure set the values automatically based on the screen size? |
| 19:55.07 | Supaplex | nascentmind: yeah, fire the network admin ;) |
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| 19:55.31 | nascentmind | :-) |
| 19:55.32 | SparFux | Damn! My jamin crashes! |
| 19:55.45 | SparFux | This is BAD! |
| 19:55.58 | the_darkside_986 | techouse: i have run reconfigure multiple times and tried to use its default values, but still no luck... |
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| 19:56.07 | Supaplex | nascentmind: did you man 5 interfaces? your issue is partially vague |
| 19:56.22 | stoned | !debstats |
| 19:56.22 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 19:56.23 | nascentmind | Supaplex, yes i have done that. |
| 19:56.25 | SparFux | Whats up with interfaces? |
| 19:56.25 | techouse | hark: so next time when i boot my lappy it will autoload wifi? |
| 19:56.45 | SparFux | nascentmind: repeat, I came in too late. |
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| 19:57.03 | techouse | the_darkside_986: then get a manual and try those values |
| 19:57.03 | techouse | i mean a monitor manual |
| 19:57.10 | nascentmind | Supaplex, when i switch off the modem and restart.. even windows has some problem in getting the addr. only after i do a repair i get an address. |
| 19:57.15 | the_darkside_986 | i'm still looking for the compaq presario mv500 manual. no luck though |
| 19:57.29 | nascentmind | SparFux, I am not able to get an ip address from the dhcp server. |
| 19:57.46 | hark | techouse: yeah, just configure it now .. in interfaces or use something like network manager |
| 19:57.46 | SparFux | Hm... do you have a firewall? |
| 19:57.57 | Supaplex | nascentmind: ahh, so you have to reobtain a dhcp lease maybe. ifdown + ifup the interface to restart it |
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| 19:58.19 | nascentmind | SparFux, i am using a wimax connection.. the modem is in the antenna.. i am connected via rj45. |
| 19:58.22 | stoned | hey guys, is it possible to start the chroot method installation of debian amd64 if under a 32bit debian |
| 19:58.25 | stoned | ? |
| 19:58.35 | nascentmind | Supaplex,yes maybe the lease is a problem |
| 19:58.51 | SparFux | stoned: nope. I don't think so. |
| 19:58.56 | nascentmind | Supaplex,what is this lease btw? |
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| 19:59.26 | nascentmind | Supaplex, I am doing ifconfig up eth0 |
| 19:59.36 | SparFux | stoned: there is no support for the switching of 32 / 64 as little as there is support for the switching of i386 / sparc / alpha ... |
| 19:59.41 | stoned | i heard someone say you could run a 64 bit something or other under 32 bit (totally backwards from normal) but I couldn't get a chance to ask how or what they were talking about |
| 19:59.53 | SparFux | nascentmind: with interfaces you should use the ifup command |
| 20:00.02 | Supaplex | nascentmind: don't use ifconfig, use /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdown or, /etc/init.d/networking start|stop|... |
| 20:00.17 | SparFux | stoned: well, I am not an expert, but I doubt it is possible. |
| 20:00.45 | SparFux | stoned: you would have to do smart cpu mode switching and as of today it isn't done. |
| 20:00.56 | stoned | SparFux: I'm with ya but I wanna find out if that was a misunderstanding on my part or if it is actually possible |
| 20:01.22 | Supaplex | stoned: poor over the debootstrap man page. There's a way to install a differing arch |
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| 20:02.02 | stoned | Supaplex: thats actually where I went a few seconds before you said something :) |
| 20:02.12 | nascentmind | Supaplex,k lemme try |
| 20:02.19 | techouse | hark: uhm.... what do i type into interfaces? i never used wireless before in debian :/ |
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| 20:03.08 | mariocesar | Hello all, anyone has a tip for how to generate a text file when I send a print job as cups+pdf generate pdf files? |
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| 20:06.42 | stoned | !debootstrap |
| 20:06.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for ... |
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| 20:07.34 | techouse | where in gnome do i set the default browser? |
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| 20:08.17 | cusco | hello... I have a friend complaining that his OLD OLD board doesn't support big hard drives, and he set a jumper on his harddrive to work at 32GB instead of the 40GB |
| 20:08.37 | cusco | he says that debian recognise the whole 40 and it installs fine but when it comes to boot |
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| 20:09.04 | cusco | he says he only gets "GRUB Loading, please wait ..." and doesn't move forwards |
| 20:09.46 | SparFux | in grub can I display a custom message in bootup screen? |
| 20:09.55 | SparFux | like motd or something? |
| 20:10.10 | cusco | SparFux: yes, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:10.26 | hark | techouse: gnome-default-application-properties |
| 20:10.49 | SparFux | cusco: I haven't found an option for such a message yet. |
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| 20:11.21 | techouse | hark: command not found |
| 20:11.24 | hark | techouse: you can just use network manager if you don't want to configure it yourself |
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| 20:12.03 | hark | techouse: try gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 20:12.05 | RedLizard | is there an official spec of the .deb format? |
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| 20:12.17 | RedLizard | the debian policy manual documents certain parts, but not the thing as a whole |
| 20:12.27 | techouse | works :) |
| 20:12.37 | elux | does linux/debian have a feature similar to geom on freebsd that does software raid.. i know it has software raid, but is it high performing? |
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| 20:13.46 | arooni | hey team! |
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| 20:14.32 | joltcan | elux: It is pretty nice performance wise, but it mostly depends on your controller card / raid level |
| 20:15.06 | elux | well .. i wouldnt have a controller card |
| 20:15.10 | elux | im just looking for raid 0 |
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| 20:15.24 | esaym | howdy, is there a way to make OO automatically start a slide show when a pps file is clicked on? Right now it starts it up in edit mode and you have to press f5 to get to the slide show, this is for my grandma's linux power email machine :-/ |
| 20:15.37 | techouse | hark: <3 thank you! :) |
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| 20:18.20 | pipeline | elux: RAID 0 is useless. But yes, the linux md driver is at least as useful as geom. It's not as flexible, though. Where on linux you would use md and lvm in combination, on FreeBSD, you would use geom alone. |
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| 20:19.05 | elux | i meant raid 1 sorry |
| 20:19.37 | Asmooh | blah |
| 20:19.44 | pipeline | doesn't matter that much, md will do raid 0, 1, 3, 5, and 6. And on a modern PC (PII class or better) the performance overhead is totally unimportant |
| 20:19.57 | elux | yea |
| 20:19.59 | elux | thats perfect. |
| 20:20.00 | elux | thank you! |
| 20:20.33 | arooni | how can i use init scripts to ensure that mysql and apache are running on startup? |
| 20:20.44 | pipeline | arooni: they run at startup by default |
| 20:21.01 | pipeline | arooni: make sure that links to mysql and apache's startup scripts are in /etc/rc3.d |
| 20:21.02 | arooni | pipeline, so i dont need to do an init script for them? |
| 20:21.16 | pipeline | arooni: they come with an init script, and the packages add softlinks to /etc/rc3.d by default. |
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| 20:21.56 | pipeline | arooni: if there's no startup script, you can ln -s /etc/init.d/apache2 /etc/rc3.d/S99apache, but I don't think that will be required. |
| 20:22.35 | arooni | S91apache2; S19mysql |
| 20:22.38 | arooni | thats good right? |
| 20:22.47 | pipeline | arooni: there's a package that gives you a nice little gui to manage the rc?.d softlinks, but I don't remember what it's called. sysv-rc-conf, maybe ? |
| 20:22.57 | pipeline | arooni: yes |
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| 20:23.46 | LordElph | I did an apt-get remove on postgresql-8.1, then deleted the config and init.d startup files for it in /etc/... now when I try to reinstall postgresql-8.1, it won't recreate those files. Anyone know how I can force it to do that? |
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| 20:24.06 | pipeline | LordElph: uninstall it with --purge and then reinstall. |
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| 20:24.20 | LordElph | pipeline: thanks! |
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| 20:24.32 | hughw | hiya |
| 20:24.37 | pipeline | LordElph: on that note, however, postgres doesn't store configuration in /etc. It's in /var/lib/postgres/data :P |
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| 20:25.05 | pipeline | LordElph: err, and, also, purging could delete your databases. Uncertain on that. |
| 20:25.20 | hughw | I'd like to build a machine with the same packages installed as another machine. Is there any way to export the apt database and use it to create an installation list? |
| 20:25.23 | LordElph | thanks for the warning, I've nothing to lose there though |
| 20:25.37 | pipeline | hughw: yes, but not with apt |
| 20:25.46 | hughw | pipeline, hiya. Please explain |
| 20:25.50 | pipeline | hughw: to copy the package list, use "dpkg --get-selections" to write out the list |
| 20:26.00 | hughw | pipeline, ahh, ok |
| 20:26.02 | pipeline | hughw: Then, on the target machine, "cat list | dpkg --set-selections" |
| 20:26.14 | pipeline | hughw: THEN you use apt to do the actual installations in the legacy way: "apt-get dselect-upgrade" |
| 20:26.20 | hughw | thank you! |
| 20:26.27 | pipeline | hughw: To save you time on configuration, you can install the "debconf-utils" package on both victim and target |
| 20:26.29 | hughw | wow, knowledgeable |
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| 20:26.56 | pipeline | hughw: debconf-utils provides a nice little interface to print all the debconf configuration keys to a file and then load them up again on the target. Read its readme and/or man page.. IIRC it's "debconf-get-selections" and "debconf-set-selections" |
| 20:27.14 | hughw | great, thanks |
| 20:27.21 | pipeline | hughw: you'll want to do the debconf part on the target FIRST though, so that you don't have to spend all that time hitting "enter" at dialogues |
| 20:27.28 | hughw | OK |
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| 20:28.03 | loca|host | how to forbid root from logging in on XDM ? |
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| 20:30.05 | csmiller | is the UK debian mirror MIA? |
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| 20:33.00 | nascentmind | i tried networking stop |
| 20:33.26 | nascentmind | but was not able to do networking start .. it says bringing eth0 up failed. |
| 20:33.48 | pipeline | nascentmind: then find out why bringing up eth0 failed |
| 20:34.00 | pipeline | csmiller: all the debian mirrors are round robin shit. try again |
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| 20:34.25 | nascentmind | Supaplex, how do i renew the lease? |
| 20:34.37 | csmiller | pipeline - set an until loop to try every 10mins |
| 20:34.56 | pipeline | csmiller: ok, yeah, that's not pretty. Why not just use .ie or .de or .us mirrors ? |
| 20:35.34 | csmiller | pipeline - though you said *ALL* the mirrors were screwed |
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| 20:36.48 | loca|host | how to forbid root from logging in on XDM ? |
| 20:36.56 | the_darkside_986 | i found the right h and v refresh values for my monitor but X server insists that i am wrong. is there a way i can force it to think i am right? |
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| 20:38.47 | nascentmind | pipeline, how do i renew my ip lease? |
| 20:38.52 | nascentmind | i am using dhcpcd |
| 20:38.56 | pipeline | beats me |
| 20:39.22 | pipeline | csmiller: well, if you're trying it over and over, all of the uk mirrors must be screwed from where you're standing, or else you would have hit a good one by now, right? |
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| 20:40.17 | alecssys | hello ... how do i create a fat partition so it can be recognized debian and windows mobile too ? |
| 20:40.36 | csmiller | pipeline decided to use .ie for the moment |
| 20:40.56 | eeccho | alecssys, mkfs.vfat |
| 20:40.57 | pipeline | alecssys: install msdosfstools |
| 20:41.07 | pipeline | alecssys: if the partition is greater than 128G, windows won't like it. |
| 20:41.22 | pipeline | alecssys: actually, it might just be dosfstools. Can't remember :\ |
| 20:41.27 | alecssys | pipeline: it's 1gb |
| 20:41.46 | eeccho | pipeline, i doubt windows mobile ever met 128 gb ) |
| 20:41.51 | alecssys | looks like it's just dosfstools |
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| 20:44.19 | SparFux | Ah, I think I know what causes my errors with jamin! Memory limit! LOL |
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| 20:44.39 | mamato | hi, is someone familiar with bzr? i'd like to save some changes (in some separate branch?) and revert to old commit (letting those changes aside for now) |
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| 20:47.48 | csmiller | mamto - you might be better asking on #ubuntu - they use bzr |
| 20:48.05 | mamato | oki will try that, thx |
| 20:48.08 | sordith | there is a #bzr channel |
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| 20:48.17 | mamato | oops, good point too! |
| 20:48.22 | sordith | :-) |
| 20:48.36 | SparFux | That's clear. AMD64 apps need more memory, so the limit was too small. |
| 20:48.48 | SparFux | I hope that's it. |
| 20:48.55 | {BT}JaC | can someone help me fix apt-get please |
| 20:48.58 | {BT}JaC | http://rafb.net/p/sDl3fk25.html |
| 20:49.00 | SparFux | Now I have some use for 8 GB of RAM :-) |
| 20:49.02 | {BT}JaC | thats the error i get |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | {BT}JaC: thought you were going to have your company fix it ? |
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| 20:51.00 | {BT}JaC | they won't fix it |
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| 20:51.06 | {BT}JaC | they sell me a broken server |
| 20:51.09 | {BT}JaC | then refuse to fix it |
| 20:51.19 | {BT}JaC | i want it fixed for this month then im going to godshost |
| 20:51.23 | amphi | great |
| 20:51.42 | sordith | {BT}JaC: i would yell at their support phone till i get a refund or a fix |
| 20:52.18 | {BT}JaC | i have done |
| 20:52.24 | {BT}JaC | they just disconnect me -.- |
| 20:52.28 | sordith | is that 1blu or some such cheap bum provider? |
| 20:52.30 | {BT}JaC | NEVER USE SOLARVPS |
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| 20:52.35 | {BT}JaC | thats my advice |
| 20:52.42 | sordith | ah, solar |
| 20:53.17 | sordith | thats really tricky with these cheap vservers |
| 20:53.20 | SparFux | Oh my god! I have filed a bug report for nothing!!! |
| 20:53.26 | sordith | i had my fair share of drama too |
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| 20:54.48 | arooni | can i reboot debian etch from the command line? |
| 20:54.56 | {BT}JaC | reboot |
| 20:54.59 | {BT}JaC | type that |
| 20:55.02 | sordith | arooni: shutdown -r now |
| 20:55.10 | {BT}JaC | just type reboot |
| 20:55.12 | arooni | shutdown == reboot ? |
| 20:55.12 | neosix | arooni: type reboot |
| 20:55.13 | {BT}JaC | its easier :P |
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| 20:55.25 | SparFux | shutdown -r == reboot |
| 20:55.26 | neosix | arooni: as root |
| 20:55.33 | SparFux | shutdown -h == halt! |
| 20:55.42 | neosix | arooni: shutdown -r now |
| 20:55.57 | SparFux | Sound stable again. OMG OMG!!! I have really filed a bug report for crap! I am so stupid! |
| 20:56.00 | alecssys | wtf ... windows mobile does not recognize fat32 ??? |
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| 20:56.10 | SparFux | alecssys: nope. |
| 20:56.36 | SparFux | alecssys: If you are REALLY looking for filesystem trouble, MS-Windows is my very first suggestion. |
| 20:56.49 | pipeline | alecssys: try fat16 |
| 20:57.01 | pipeline | alecssys: also: did you remember to put a partition table on the device? |
| 20:57.10 | sordith | SparFux: dont be in panic, just close your bug and all is good |
| 20:57.11 | pipeline | alecssys: windows and windows mobile both require a DOS or GPT header to do anything with a disk |
| 20:57.20 | alecssys | SparFux: it's not my choice to be windows mobile ... i can't use an unix system |
| 20:57.31 | SparFux | sordith: can I write to the maintainers? To not put it online? |
| 20:57.36 | pgpkeys | alecssys: what is the device? |
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| 20:57.44 | alecssys | Ubiquio 501 |
| 20:57.55 | sordith | SparFux: just read the BTS help on how to close the bug that you opened |
| 20:57.55 | pgpkeys | ahh. |
| 20:57.57 | pipeline | SparFux: VPSes are crap. The profit margins are razor thin, so providers will do everything they can to screw you. I speak as a former provider of said services :) |
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| 20:58.45 | SparFux | sordith: ok, thx! |
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| 20:59.32 | pgpkeys | VPS as in vmware? |
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| 21:00.00 | pipeline | pgpkeys: No. VPS as in Virtuozzo or UML. |
| 21:00.16 | pipeline | pgpkeys: Really, Virtuozzo IS the VPS market. Xen and UML are rare.. no provisioning tools, higher overhead. |
| 21:00.26 | pgpkeys | ahh virtuozo |
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| 21:00.30 | sordith | pgpkeys: its a general acronym for Virtual Private Server. there is multiple possibilities to implement it |
| 21:00.42 | pgpkeys | yeah I know. I couldn't remember the acronymn |
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| 21:01.09 | alecssys | pipeline: what did you mean by putting a partition table on the disk ? |
| 21:01.16 | pipeline | alecssys: cfdisk |
| 21:01.32 | alecssys | oh ... you mean to create a parition |
| 21:01.35 | alecssys | i already did that |
| 21:01.58 | alecssys | now it's fat16 and it still not working |
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| 21:02.22 | pipeline | well that's great :) |
| 21:02.25 | pipeline | tried #wince? :P |
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| 21:03.09 | alecssys | i will ... |
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| 21:06.14 | the_darkside_986 | how do i make the system quit making me change my password everytime i log in? |
| 21:06.31 | abrotman | it shouldn't .. you changed a config setting |
| 21:07.02 | eeccho | the_darkside_986, chage -M -1 |
| 21:10.38 | the_darkside_986 | chage isn't working |
| 21:10.43 | the_darkside_986 | even after i applied that to root |
| 21:11.08 | eeccho | the_darkside_986, you should have applied it to your user |
| 21:11.18 | the_darkside_986 | i applied it to both root and my user |
| 21:11.30 | the_darkside_986 | but everytime i do a su it always keeps doing that |
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| 21:11.43 | eeccho | the_darkside_986, you need to re-login |
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| 21:13.43 | the_darkside_986 | i re-logged in to gdm and it is still doing that |
| 21:14.07 | SparFux | Bug closed. |
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| 21:16.06 | loca|host | !keyboard |
| 21:16.07 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
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| 21:16.19 | loca|host | !keymap |
| 21:16.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 21:16.45 | loca|host | !drxx |
| 21:16.46 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 21:17.08 | stoned | Supaplex: I found out how |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | loca|host: /msg dpkg foo |
| 21:17.30 | stoned | Supaplex: amd64 kernel inside a 32bit userland, can be used to start an amd64 debootstrap install |
| 21:17.31 | loca|host | sorry, didnt knew about that |
| 21:17.41 | stoned | Supaplex: not from a pure 32bit user/kernel |
| 21:18.02 | stoned | that I acutally did not know |
| 21:18.08 | loca|host | abrotman, i've tried all what mister dpkg says, and am allways sticking to US 'azerty' keyboard |
| 21:18.21 | the_darkside_986 | !chage |
| 21:18.29 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 21:18.30 | dpkg | hmm... msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 21:18.34 | abrotman | loca|host: did you restart after you changed? |
| 21:18.42 | abrotman | or at least logout/login |
| 21:18.46 | loca|host | for sure |
| 21:19.13 | loca|host | i get LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 when typing locale on console |
| 21:19.23 | loca|host | that seems ok |
| 21:19.29 | loca|host | but keyboard still US |
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| 21:23.54 | abrotman | loca|host: what do you want? azerty ? qwerty ? |
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| 21:24.16 | sdrr | is anyone here using xfs on a production system ? |
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| 21:25.02 | the_darkside_986 | i still cannot get chage to work, even after i ran it interactively and rebooted the machine |
| 21:25.08 | alecssys | is there an app to connect that kind of cellphones to pc through usb ? |
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| 21:26.02 | abrotman | sdrr: ask your real question |
| 21:26.09 | abrotman | alecssys: for some phones .. yes |
| 21:26.18 | stoned | what is chage? |
| 21:26.33 | stoned | oh |
| 21:26.41 | stoned | the_darkside_986: what is the problem |
| 21:26.55 | the_darkside_986 | it is STILL forcing me to change my password everytime i login |
| 21:27.17 | the_darkside_986 | i can't get gksudo to work because of this |
| 21:27.20 | stoned | hm |
| 21:27.26 | stoned | do you have shadow passwords enabled? |
| 21:28.15 | stoned | andhow exactly did you setup it up with chage? |
| 21:28.27 | the_darkside_986 | i have no idea |
| 21:28.39 | the_darkside_986 | i just did the default install from the netinstall cd and selected desktop package |
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| 21:28.45 | stoned | so you installed debian and upon every login it asks you to change password |
| 21:29.28 | stoned | that doesn't sound right for stable |
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| 21:29.36 | stoned | the_darkside_986: which netinst? testing or etch? |
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| 21:30.28 | Blackgoth | Hi, i have a question, i have a debian PXE server and it installs debian etch, which is working like a charm, only thing is, by default it wants to install from a internet mirror, i want it to always use my internal apt mirror and i want to change the packages it installs by default. |
| 21:30.33 | wakrelmix | hi, i am running a small website, i want a contact form (non-php), i need to configure postfox or something so the mail can get sent to gmail? |
| 21:30.33 | the_darkside_986 | not sure to be honest. i think it was version 40r something |
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| 21:32.59 | stoned | ok that is stable |
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| 21:33.25 | stoned | the_darkside_986: you must have done something with chage? |
| 21:34.11 | the_darkside_986 | only when i was trying to use chage to fix the problem |
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| 21:34.20 | Blackgoth | no-one with a idea? |
| 21:34.41 | loca|host | abrotman, sorry for the delay, i want azerty |
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| 21:35.05 | stoned | Blackgoth: I have some ideas but not quite sure |
| 21:35.13 | abrotman | loca|host: i think the trick is to copy the keymap you want to /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz .. but i could be wrong |
| 21:35.29 | stoned | Blackgoth: you might want to look at preseeding the debian installer |
| 21:35.56 | stoned | Blackgoth: not sure of the locatio of exact resources |
| 21:35.59 | stoned | !preseed |
| 21:35.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 21:36.00 | loca|host | abrotman, i have no /etc/console |
| 21:36.02 | Blackgoth | it isnt like a stupid text file that you can edit right? |
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| 21:36.09 | Blackgoth | perfect! |
| 21:36.11 | stoned | well here we go |
| 21:36.13 | Blackgoth | thanks stoffepojken |
| 21:36.14 | Blackgoth | err |
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| 21:36.17 | Blackgoth | stoned ;) |
| 21:36.20 | stoned | sure |
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| 21:36.41 | stoned | eh |
| 21:36.49 | stoned | well whaddya know, listkeys kicks booty |
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| 21:37.20 | abrotman | loca|host: which version of debian is this? |
| 21:37.23 | wakrelmix | if i want to send email from a debian webserver using a web form => a google apps gmail account, do i need sendmail at a minimum? this is a one way transmission, do not want mail back into the system |
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| 21:37.40 | abrotman | wakrelmix: where's your smarthost ? |
| 21:37.53 | wakrelmix | k, i do not understand that / |
| 21:37.56 | haole | i cant start my nis server... i get an error when the service tries to start... the error is like this: Starting NIS services: ypbindbinding to YP server...........................................failed (backgrounded). >> what can i do from here? |
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| 21:38.57 | wakrelmix | abrotman: so something like postfix/exim/qmail etc? |
| 21:39.28 | abrotman | you need a way to send to gmail ? |
| 21:39.56 | wakrelmix | yes, from a web form in a ruby on rails app or something else will do |
| 21:40.27 | stoned | !nis |
| 21:40.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 21:40.35 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:40.41 | loca|host | abrotman, etch |
| 21:40.44 | abrotman | you'd have to send through a real SMTP server |
| 21:40.54 | pipeline | what are you using NIS for ? |
| 21:40.58 | pipeline | oooooold |
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| 21:41.13 | wakrelmix | ah ok, so what is a *real* SMTP server? |
| 21:41.25 | stoned | wakrelmix: not a fake one? ;) |
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| 21:41.40 | jair | guys I just installed tomcat5.5 and for some reason does not want to run on my debian etch server? i restart, force-reload and then check the status and still it's not running? |
| 21:41.44 | wakrelmix | stoned: no doubt |
| 21:41.58 | loca|host | abrotman, installed on usb stick with debootstrap |
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| 21:42.05 | jair | I wonder if I should go to a "#apache" channel |
| 21:42.11 | abrotman | !tell loca|host keymap |
| 21:42.16 | abrotman | !tell loca|host abrotman keymap |
| 21:42.19 | abrotman | forget it |
| 21:42.20 | stoned | lol |
| 21:42.25 | stoned | hahahaha |
| 21:42.38 | stoned | that was great :) |
| 21:42.38 | sepski | heh :) |
| 21:42.39 | pipeline | wakrelmix: there are plenty of perl e-mail CGI apps that will send mail to an SMTP server directly, and don't require a local MTA |
| 21:43.13 | stoned | pipeline: like the ones in use in 'reportbug' ? |
| 21:43.31 | stoned | or something |
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| 21:43.48 | wakrelmix | pipeline: ok, so just whack in some perl modules, a perl mail script etc on a page? i'll google up |
| 21:44.14 | haole | i cant start my nis server... i get an error when the service tries to start... the error is like this: Starting NIS services: ypbindbinding to YP server...........................................failed (backgrounded). >> what can i do from here? |
| 21:44.27 | pipeline | haole: read the logs. |
| 21:44.37 | haole | pipeline, k |
| 21:44.39 | pipeline | haole: nobody can tell you what the problem is from just "failed" as an error :) |
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| 21:44.57 | pipeline | wakrelmix: hah, you probably won't even have to whack in any perl modules. |
| 21:44.59 | stoned | pipeline: reportbug sends bugreports without the use of well actually I don't really konw |
| 21:45.07 | wakrelmix | i don't want to install any un-necessary packages in this ruby/rails mix, is nice and light, so perl might be the go |
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| 21:45.15 | pipeline | stoned: reportbug actually DOES use the local MTA. |
| 21:45.23 | haole | pipeline, ok, but i cant see any obvious log in /var/log.. do you know which log it is? |
| 21:45.27 | pipeline | wakrelmix: ?? perl comes with the base distribution. |
| 21:45.28 | stoned | pipeline: I don't have any mta setup |
| 21:45.32 | stoned | pipeline: nullmailer count? |
| 21:45.34 | pipeline | stoned: then reportbug isn't working. |
| 21:45.47 | stoned | pipeline: it is. I make bug reports every now and again |
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| 21:46.06 | pipeline | haole: Nope. It's probably using syslog, so it could be in any log file depending on configuration. |
| 21:46.07 | wakrelmix | pipeline: sorry, i meant as far a postfix, tls etc, yes perl is default |
| 21:46.22 | pipeline | wakrelmix: yes, I hate having an MTA set up where none is needed. |
| 21:46.35 | stoned | !info nullmailer |
| 21:46.39 | dpkg | nullmailer: (simple relay-only mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 1:1.04-1 (sid), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 21:46.42 | jake__ | i hate having anything set up that isnt needed |
| 21:46.56 | stoned | wait hang on a minute |
| 21:48.13 | SparFux | Note: my problems with jamin were caused by too low ulimit -l |
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| 21:49.36 | SparFux | ulimit -l was set to 25000 kB on an 8 GB system :-D |
| 21:50.12 | stoned | pipeline: so the way nullmailer works, reportbug still works, I had originally misread nullmailer I guess |
| 21:50.22 | loca|host | abrotman, any idea ? |
| 21:50.24 | stoned | pipeline: er. that was a question |
| 21:50.29 | haole | pipeline, the log only tells me that RPC has timed out... any ideas? :( |
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| 21:52.45 | stoned | I don't understand, I think don tried to explain to me a few months ago... something about how report still works if you have no mta or something |
| 21:52.57 | stoned | or access to any smtp or smarthosts |
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| 21:53.13 | stoned | reportbug |
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| 21:53.51 | Supaplex | .reportbugrc |
| 21:54.10 | stoned | ok |
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| 21:56.54 | stoned | # Use this to specify the path of your MTA; any SMTP server on Debian |
| 21:56.54 | stoned | # should be OK with the default. |
| 21:56.54 | stoned | # mta /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 21:57.09 | wakrelmix | stoned: so nullmailer seems a good choice for a simple web form without a smarthost or local MTA? |
| 21:57.25 | wakrelmix | stoned: k, ta |
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| 21:57.37 | stoned | that is in /etc/reportbug.conf as ~/.reportbug rc contianed nothing regarding the mta |
| 21:58.17 | stoned | and as you can see, in the /etc/reportbug.conf *sid* there are no mail servers specified that I can see, or smarthsots, that I can see |
| 21:58.33 | stoned | the the mta is commented out |
| 21:58.41 | Supaplex | ask google |
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| 21:59.31 | wakrelmix | k, looking ... |
| 21:59.56 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.57 | arooni | does everyting in /etc/init.d run as root by default? |
| 22:00.05 | stoned | from the manpage |
| 22:00.16 | stoned | Supaplex: what would I goggle, a hint? |
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| 22:01.42 | stoned | That's it. You don't need a working MTA to report bugs. |
| 22:01.46 | stoned | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/490 |
| 22:01.55 | stoned | per pipeline reportbug would NOT work without an MTA. |
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| 22:02.02 | kanzure | !dpkg reboot sound |
| 22:02.15 | stoned | I knew dondelelcaro said something to me about that a while ago, I just wasn't sure of what exactly |
| 22:02.39 | sdrr | when installing xen on my debian etch, my system doesn't boot anymore, it hangs on "waiting for root filesystem" and after a while it complains it can't find the partition. I can boot normally when I choose the non xen kernel... I think it's cause by the sata controller module which isn't loaded in the xen kernel, ... how can I fix this ? |
| 22:02.43 | stoned | pipeline: what do you make of that? |
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| 22:03.34 | wakrelmix | stoned: nice find, i'm looking at nullmailer |
| 22:03.38 | TTimo | hello. anyone know how I can make sure ipv6 is completely disabled on a debian etch system? |
| 22:03.40 | kanzure | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp --> "bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" Any thoughts? |
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| 22:03.59 | kanzure | TTimo: the hosts file, maybe? |
| 22:04.21 | TTimo | commented out IPV6 entries in there |
| 22:04.29 | timonator | make sure the ipv6 module is not loaded |
| 22:04.36 | TTimo | yeah exactly |
| 22:04.36 | kanzure | how do I reload my sound module? |
| 22:04.39 | TTimo | that's what I want to get |
| 22:04.44 | TTimo | make sure it never gets loaded |
| 22:04.44 | kanzure | TTimo: that's probably rmmod |
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| 22:04.51 | TTimo | can't rmmod once it booted |
| 22:04.54 | TTimo | says it's in use |
| 22:05.04 | timonator | not rmmod, there should be some configuration file for that |
| 22:05.06 | kanzure | isn't there a modlist ? |
| 22:05.13 | TTimo | someone told me to put a 'alias ipv6 off' in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 22:05.21 | TTimo | which I did, it's still getting loaded |
| 22:05.29 | TTimo | I put it in the udev blacklist as well |
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| 22:05.32 | TTimo | it's still loading |
| 22:05.40 | Supaplex | !blacklist |
| 22:05.40 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 22:06.04 | stoned | Supaplex: /usr/share/reportbug/reportbug_submit.py |
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| 22:06.48 | TTimo | do I need to run anything when I make edits under /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 22:07.06 | stoned | smtphost='localhost', smtpuser=None, smtppasswd=None |
| 22:08.11 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | stoned | found it |
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| 22:08.19 | stoned | nope maybe |
| 22:08.31 | wakrelmix | stoned: haha, i like your conviction |
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| 22:08.56 | stoned | yeh |
| 22:08.57 | TTimo | ok rebooting again to see |
| 22:09.10 | stoned | pipeline: you don't need a working MTA to use reportbug |
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| 22:10.24 | kanzure | Ah, alsa has a force-reload feature. Neat. |
| 22:10.42 | stoned | wakrelmix: I was always curious to know how.. I just never really took the time to try and find out how reportbug works |
| 22:10.59 | stoned | and very well written too I must say |
| 22:11.12 | wakrelmix | k, well now you know which is a good thing |
| 22:11.30 | sdrr | when doing dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-5-xen-686 is there a way to let it include the jmicron module? |
| 22:12.30 | stoned | but python though |
| 22:12.33 | stoned | heh ok |
| 22:13.44 | fsmunoz | Anyoe here uses xfig? Trying to see if it groks the concept of attachment points... |
| 22:14.05 | stoned | !dict conviction |
| 22:14.07 | dpkg | Dictionary 'conviction' (4 of 12): Syn: Conviction; persuasion. ;; And did you presently fall under the power of this conviction? --Bunyan. ;; Conviction may accrue two ways. --Blackstone. ;; 3. The act of convincing of error, or of compelling the admission of a truth; confutation.. |
| 22:14.38 | stoned | an unshakable belief in something without need for proof or evidence |
| 22:14.53 | stoned | wakrelmix: ^^ incorrect.. I must always know how/why |
| 22:15.02 | stoned | in fact, not even so much the Why, as is the How |
| 22:15.13 | TTimo | ty ev1, got it working |
| 22:15.15 | stoned | that is always the question, how. |
| 22:15.17 | wakrelmix | stoned: ok, http://wiki.mutt.org/?LightSMTPagents |
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| 22:15.27 | stoned | clicking :) |
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| 22:15.42 | wakrelmix | i thought the question was "what is the matrix?" 8-) |
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| 22:17.01 | stoned | pipeline I maybe came across as trying to prove you wrong. I was only trying to find out ... |
| 22:17.06 | twobitsprite | hey, can someone point me to a good howto on setting up a simple e-mail server on debian? |
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| 22:17.19 | wakrelmix | http://www.xs4all.nl/~basvdlei/articles/Mailserver.html |
| 22:17.24 | stoned | twobitsprite: try debian-administration |
| 22:17.48 | twobitsprite | stoned, is that a channel, or a howto, or what? |
| 22:18.13 | stoned | dpkg da.org is System Administration Tips and Resources @ http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 22:18.13 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 22:18.21 | stoned | twobitsprite: /msg dpkg da.org |
| 22:18.23 | twobitsprite | wakrelmix, I'm not looking to download from a POP server, I want to set up a POP and SMTP server |
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| 22:18.55 | twobitsprite | stoned, heh, thanks |
| 22:19.31 | stoned | http://www.debian-administration.org/tag/exim4 |
| 22:19.34 | stoned | maybe something here? |
| 22:19.36 | wakrelmix | twobitsprite: i just threw that in as i was right there |
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| 22:19.53 | XoX | cd /usr/src/linux && egrep -ri '( fuck)|( shit)' * |
| 22:20.05 | twobitsprite | stoned, awesome, thanks |
| 22:20.28 | stoned | sure |
| 22:21.30 | wakrelmix | XoX: cool cmd 8-) |
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| 22:22.33 | SparFux | XoX: I only get one hit! |
| 22:22.35 | stoned | arch/sparc64/kernel/binfmt_aout32.c: /* Fuck me plenty... */ |
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| 22:22.37 | stoned | HAHAHAHA |
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| 22:22.59 | wakrelmix | haha |
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| 22:23.10 | XoX | frustrated coders |
| 22:23.12 | SparFux | Think it is because I only have headers installed :-( |
| 22:23.22 | stoned | lol |
| 22:23.25 | stoned | thats awesome |
| 22:23.26 | stoned | lol |
| 22:24.19 | wakrelmix | most perl modules should install via aptitude, correct? |
| 22:24.24 | stoned | debian/linux-image-2.6.22/lib/modules/2.6.22/source/arch/i386/mach-visws/setup.c: * What lunatic came up with this shit? |
| 22:24.31 | stoned | HAHA omg thats fucking hilarious |
| 22:24.35 | twobitsprite | I don't get any hits |
| 22:25.11 | stoned | twobitsprite: install linux-source |
| 22:25.28 | twobitsprite | I have linux-tree installed |
| 22:26.15 | stoned | apt-get install funny-manpages && man condom |
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| 22:27.29 | stoned | twobitsprite: man baby; baby — create new process from two parents |
| 22:27.33 | stoned | lol |
| 22:27.39 | stoned | oahhh boy |
| 22:27.44 | twobitsprite | man sex is good |
| 22:27.50 | stoned | !sex |
| 22:27.50 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 22:28.26 | twobitsprite | lmao |
| 22:28.52 | Gmo | help! sun-java5 timezone data is wrong and sun's tzupdater-1.3.3-2007 off their website didn't fix it :( |
| 22:29.47 | twobitsprite | Gmo, yay... I remember tzupdater when DST2K happened |
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| 22:30.04 | Gmo | well it just happened again :( |
| 22:30.21 | stoned | man im so bored |
| 22:30.21 | twobitsprite | sounds like you need to talk to sun |
| 22:30.23 | stoned | damn |
| 22:30.43 | stoned | twobitsprite: you want me to talk the sun |
| 22:30.49 | twobitsprite | yes |
| 22:30.49 | stoned | the big yellow thing in the sky? |
| 22:30.52 | stoned | why? |
| 22:30.52 | twobitsprite | indeed |
| 22:30.55 | Gmo | major embarrassment -- last year microsoft messed up, this time it was debian -- no the sun solution is for the sun package java, the debian package maybe doesn't pass their supported-test? |
| 22:31.20 | stoned | do don't use the debian pacakge |
| 22:31.30 | stoned | Gmo: download the jre.run file and use make jpkg |
| 22:31.35 | stoned | !make-jpkg |
| 22:31.36 | Gmo | apparently, but this is a production system. I never guessed that debian would fuck up |
| 22:31.50 | stoned | hey debian dind't fuck anything up |
| 22:31.56 | Gmo | yes, they did. fraid so. |
| 22:32.00 | stoned | i've got all 3 debian on diff machines all have java instaleld |
| 22:32.03 | stoned | I have no problems |
| 22:32.08 | Gmo | they didn't patch the sun-java5 |
| 22:32.17 | stoned | I use sun java 6 |
| 22:32.21 | Gmo | all have debian packaged java? |
| 22:32.22 | LassieTheBrave | Gmo : the trick would be not to use non-free software... |
| 22:32.23 | stoned | sun-java6-* |
| 22:32.31 | Gmo | ok, where did you get sun-java6? |
| 22:32.43 | stoned | fro doobian |
| 22:32.45 | Gmo | I tried to get it but it wasn't in the apt-cache search |
| 22:32.54 | stoned | !info sun-java6-bin etch |
| 22:33.02 | stoned | i dunno if its there |
| 22:33.05 | stoned | nope |
| 22:33.08 | stoned | !info sun-java6-bin |
| 22:33.10 | dpkg | sun-java6-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-04-2 (sid), Packaged size: 26588 kB, Installed size: 79888 kB |
| 22:33.25 | stoned | Gmo: try backports.org if not, try /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 22:34.01 | LassieTheBrave | Gmo: it's in testing too. |
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| 22:35.05 | somiaj | trying to figure out how to disable agpgart in menuconfig. I have it as -*- which means it is selected and I can't deslect it cause some other option is requring it is included. How can I figure out what option is depending on CONFIG_AGPGART |
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| 22:50.19 | lynucs | hello |
| 22:50.37 | SparFux | Is there xorcom rapid for amd64? |
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| 22:51.31 | lynucs | is there any guide how to set up a 5.1 sound card for debian? |
| 22:51.43 | abrotman | regular alsa-project.org docs would help |
| 22:51.45 | lynucs | asaoundconf list doesnt show any card |
| 22:51.57 | lynucs | but aplay -l does |
| 22:52.01 | lynucs | why? :) |
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| 23:03.46 | wakrelmix | if i do a simple mail from the cms line => mail -s Test01 myaddress@gmail.com ... this should work shouldn't it? |
| 23:03.54 | wakrelmix | cmd line* |
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| 23:04.12 | petemc | if your mta is configured correctly, sure |
| 23:04.30 | wakrelmix | k, clearly it is not, which is .75 of my problem |
| 23:04.42 | petemc | check the logs |
| 23:04.56 | wakrelmix | checked only sendmail is installed, but it seems fuxored, is hanging, k will do |
| 23:05.12 | petemc | how did you check? |
| 23:08.15 | wakrelmix | tried the debugging check |
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| 23:09.46 | petemc | readlink -f $(which sendmail) |
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| 23:12.14 | wakrelmix | petemc: readlink: missing operand |
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| 23:12.44 | meowmix | will choosing jfs make my system loading speeds faster? |
| 23:13.27 | petemc | wakrelmix: try it as root |
| 23:14.18 | wakrelmix | k, didn't work using sudo, su did the trick => /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 23:14.43 | petemc | sendmail it is, then |
| 23:15.07 | vvd | hello, is it possible to configure aptitude so it shows the changelog for a package? |
| 23:15.25 | themill | vvd: use apt-listchanges |
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| 23:17.26 | suwro | hello |
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| 23:17.30 | suwro | !xen |
| 23:17.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:17.41 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 23:17.58 | solemnwarning | Why does i586-mingw32msvc-gcc produce far bigger binaries then gcc under MinGW? |
| 23:18.03 | suwro | question - why would my ISP install on my new machine a xen kernel ??? |
| 23:18.14 | darx | i'm running the the cfs scheduler and i feel that x stutters somtimes. what would be the ideal nice value for X? |
| 23:18.16 | suwro | i need that box for virtual hosting only. |
| 23:18.32 | solemnwarning | suwro: Because they gave you a Xen domain? |
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| 23:19.08 | solemnwarning | Unless you're paying a HELL of a lot they won't give you an entire server to yourself |
| 23:19.37 | Maulkin | Not really a hell of a lot... |
| 23:19.46 | suwro | ain't xen for running other os along with linux ? - I requested a separate box.. - hardware seems what I requested. |
| 23:19.47 | solemnwarning | Maulkin: Really? |
| 23:20.04 | Maulkin | solemnwarning: #define lots. |
| 23:20.04 | solemnwarning | suwro: Xen is for paravirtualising.... |
| 23:20.28 | solemnwarning | You can run multiple Linux systems on the same hardware |
| 23:20.46 | solemnwarning | Or another OS as well if it's got a HVM CPU |
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| 23:23.05 | darx | never mind i set it to -5 |
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| 23:24.16 | dusty22 | Hey guys I have a big problem, just installed debian 4.0 on my acer ferrari laptop. If I run watch grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo my processor is maxing out at 2ghz when in console... i think i need some kinda cpu throttling installed any ideas how cause its going to overheat in a min ? :( |
| 23:24.47 | Maulkin | as root: modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 23:25.16 | dusty22 | gives me an error inserting acpi_cpufreg |
| 23:25.19 | dusty22 | no such device |
| 23:25.23 | wakrelmix | petemc: just executed that cmd readline on prod server => /usr/lib/sm.bin/sendmail |
| 23:25.28 | Maulkin | then: echo "on-demand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/governors |
| 23:25.30 | Maulkin | Or something |
| 23:25.40 | Maulkin | dusty22: Now sure then. |
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| 23:26.34 | petemc | wakrelmix: right, was just checking if you were really running sendmail. i cant help with anything other than exim, tho dpkg-reconfigure sendmail proabably works |
| 23:27.09 | dusty22 | shit |
| 23:27.15 | dusty22 | anyone know my lappy is going to blow> |
| 23:27.16 | dusty22 | ? |
| 23:27.37 | azeem | dusty22: it doesn't have a fan? |
| 23:27.38 | Blackgoth | not sure yet |
| 23:27.43 | Blackgoth | did you backup? |
| 23:27.55 | dusty22 | azeem, its laptop it will overheat |
| 23:28.19 | vvd | themill: i just found that "C" displays the changelog for the selected package :) |
| 23:28.20 | xingu | ferrari is amd fx52/56/60 from memory |
| 23:28.25 | xingu | you probably need powernow |
| 23:28.43 | wakrelmix | petemc: k, all i am trying to do is get a web form to send to a gmail address, should i throw exim in and be donoe with it? |
| 23:28.46 | xingu | dusty22: try modprobe powernow-k8 |
| 23:28.47 | dusty22 | xingu, whats that? |
| 23:29.10 | Blackgoth | dusty22: your laptop isnt made to run at full load? |
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| 23:29.24 | dusty22 | no |
| 23:29.29 | dusty22 | it switches off when it overheats |
| 23:29.32 | themill | vvd: ah yes... and you can "aptitude changelog" from the command line too. I just have apt-listchanges installed so that when I do an aptitude dist-upgrade I can get an idea of what's going on first. |
| 23:29.32 | dusty22 | it happened with slackware |
| 23:29.43 | petemc | wakrelmix: thats up to you, you could try the dpkg-reconfigure command first - someone went out of their way to remove exim and install sendmail so presumably they wanted it |
| 23:29.44 | Blackgoth | nice, im so happy that i have a real laptop. |
| 23:30.07 | wakrelmix | petemc: k, will do |
| 23:30.26 | vvd | themill: apt-listchanges will display the changelog for all updatable packages? |
| 23:30.55 | LassieTheBrave | Dusty22: powernow-k8 is the way to go (it works for me, i've never had any issues with overheating... yet...) |
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| 23:31.07 | vvd | themill: if so, neat |
| 23:31.12 | dusty22 | fixed it |
| 23:31.15 | themill | vvd: yes -- just the bit of the changelog that is new since it last showed it to you. Very nice! You can also have it show you the NEWS file. |
| 23:31.17 | dusty22 | powernowd ;{) |
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| 23:32.39 | AwesomeGuy | if i do apt-get install pidgin it sais it's not a package |
| 23:32.40 | AwesomeGuy | wtf |
| 23:32.41 | AwesomeGuy | :( |
| 23:32.55 | Maulkin | AwesomeGuy: running stable? Try 'gaim' |
| 23:33.04 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
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| 23:33.16 | Blackgoth | or compile pidgin yourself |
| 23:33.28 | Maulkin | And please try not to swear at us... |
| 23:34.13 | distatica | Hi folks, I knwo this isn't necessarily debian specific but it might be close. I have apache2, php5, php5-mysql and libapache2-mod-php5 installed. When I run a script from command line I get a connection to mysql no problem, when I run it through apache I get an error that mysql_connect() is undefined. Is there somethign else that needs to be installed/configured? |
| 23:34.18 | AwesomeGuy | it's not a swear, it's a word by itself |
| 23:34.36 | AwesomeGuy | wtf has lost meaning as being an abbreviation, and is just a word now |
| 23:34.38 | AwesomeGuy | like lol |
| 23:34.40 | wakrelmix | sudo aptitude install sendmail && sudo dpkg-reconfigure sendmail => f*** me, sendmail works |
| 23:34.54 | Maulkin | AwesomeGuy: go see www.nomorelol.com |
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| 23:35.18 | Maulkin | distatica: you'll need php5-mysql :) |
| 23:35.50 | Maulkin | distatica: make sure to reload apache after installing it |
| 23:36.04 | dusty22 | Anyone know how to fix the black screen when starting X using ati radeon x700? it was two options to xorg.conf i can't recall them? |
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| 23:36.28 | AwesomeGuy | that site was so gay it turned my wallpaper into a penis |
| 23:36.35 | AwesomeGuy | :( |
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| 23:36.43 | xsds | hellow, how can I see which modules are in a initrd image? |
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| 23:36.50 | azeem | AwesomeGuy: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for inappropriate language |
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| 23:37.02 | azeem | AwesomeGuy: please try not to be a 6 year old from now on |
| 23:37.15 | Maulkin | azeem: beat me to it... |
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| 23:37.43 | distatica | Maulkin: weird, I had php5-mysql as the latest version. I did a force-reload and now it works. I seem to recall that I did this though. Perhaps I used apache2ctl restart? Would that accomplish the same task? |
| 23:38.39 | distatica | nevermind, nevermind, I just installed it not that long ago. I completely forgot to reload; thank you greatly. |
| 23:38.41 | Maulkin | distatica: erm... possibly :) I'd reccomend init scripts :) |
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| 23:40.34 | xingu | I was originally looking at buying one of those ferrari's; thank goodness their fx60 model was so late, that would have been a very expensive mistake |
| 23:41.13 | rking | my /etc/debian_version says lenny/sid, and i need to use a mirror which offers the following: breezy dapper edgy etch feisty gutsy |
| 23:41.24 | rking | ...which should i use? (sorry about the linebreak there) |
| 23:41.27 | Blackgoth | acer is probably the worst brand of laptops ever. |
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| 23:41.44 | petemc | i wouldnt agree with that |
| 23:41.44 | streuner | rking: none :-) |
| 23:42.19 | streuner | rking: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:42.37 | rking | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:42.40 | xingu | ditto, the arsepyre 5920g's pack a mean punch at that price point |
| 23:42.47 | LassieTheBrave | Blackgoth: but the cheaper ones have mostly good linux compability (I acctually only had to fiddle fo |
| 23:42.51 | streuner | hm |
| 23:42.59 | streuner | !info libc6 testing |
| 23:43.04 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 4381 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
| 23:43.09 | LassieTheBrave | Re sd card reading... on my aspire...) |
| 23:43.14 | Blackgoth | i have a compaq presario, which has proper support :) |
| 23:43.24 | wakrelmix | k, anyone here using a debian server to send email to a google apps email address? i can use sendmail for the cmd line to me_address@gmail.com but not to info@mydomain.com.au (google apps) |
| 23:43.26 | streuner | rking: that's an old testing or unstable version |
| 23:43.27 | rking | streuner: it's been a while since my last apt-get upgrade |
| 23:43.36 | streuner | sure |
| 23:44.01 | streuner | rking: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 23:44.13 | LassieTheBrave | Blackgoth: but the keyboard sucks... |
| 23:44.31 | Blackgoth | on the presario? |
| 23:44.33 | lunaphyte | how do i disable apic and acpi? |
| 23:44.55 | Blackgoth | lunaphyte: edit your menu.lst and add noapic or noacpi |
| 23:44.57 | streuner | lunaphyte: via bootparameters? |
| 23:45.08 | LassieTheBrave | Blackgoth: the acer.. (in reference to the above screw-up...) |
| 23:45.09 | rking | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/50831 |
| 23:45.15 | Blackgoth | ah ok :p |
| 23:45.17 | streuner | s/bootparameters/kernelparameters/ |
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| 23:45.57 | streuner | rking: looks ok to me, typical lenny/testing sources |
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| 23:46.20 | dusty22 | Hey guys I have an acer ferrari 4000 with ati radeon x700 wheneevr i startx i get black screen no matter how i configure xorg.. i remember there was a bug i cant remember the options to put into xorg.conf to fix it, anyone help? |
| 23:46.41 | rking | streuner: i was following the advice from the 5th post here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338753 |
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| 23:47.10 | jake_ | cd /home/bed && sleep |
| 23:47.12 | rking | streuner: i'm trying to edit a government form, which requires the annoyingly windows-only pureedge or formflow programs, and my wine was chorking on both |
| 23:47.17 | seeds | my toshiba notebox has an intel chipset but wireless 8187B realtex adapter does not work in debian testing |
| 23:47.44 | LassieTheBrave | Dusty22: you on stable? |
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| 23:49.22 | ashk4n | hey |
| 23:49.25 | ashk4n | anyone familiar with moblock-nfq |
| 23:49.26 | ashk4n | ? |
| 23:49.31 | themill | !anyone |
| 23:49.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:49.37 | ashk4n | heh |
| 23:49.42 | lunaphyte | Blackgoth, streuner: thanks. it looks like i can add those parameters to defoptions so it will apply to all kernels loaded? is that right? |
| 23:49.49 | streuner | seeds: if you dont find a solution for a "free" driver, there is always ndiswrapper |
| 23:49.55 | ashk4n | im having problems installing moblock-nfq |
| 23:50.06 | techouse | here's my new Debian look: http://shrani.si/f/3Z/5A/24q8aLgw/debainlennycompizfusione.png || http://shrani.si/f/2c/n4/4dFZCgSf/debainlennycompizfusione.png |
| 23:50.08 | techouse | xD |
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| 23:50.17 | ashk4n | (it cant find Updating nipfilter.dat.gz |
| 23:50.22 | Blackgoth | lunaphyte: not sure, i just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and add it to my current kernel |
| 23:50.25 | streuner | seeds: but check out first /msg dpkg laptops for a solution |
| 23:50.28 | dw | hey there. is there a simple, sane way of downgrading all packages from unstable -> testing? |
| 23:50.28 | petemc | dusty22: tried googling for acer ferrari 4000 debian ? |
| 23:50.39 | ashk4n | thoughts? |
| 23:50.50 | techouse | dw: yep pinning :D |
| 23:50.51 | seeds | ok streuner |
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| 23:50.57 | techouse | lemme find you the link |
| 23:51.02 | dw | techouse: i tried a=testing, but aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't seem to do anything :( |
| 23:51.09 | petemc | dusty22: doing so shows a post on ubuntuforums that describes the options your referred to earlier |
| 23:51.35 | techouse | did you set it a higher pid that sid? |
| 23:51.48 | dw | techouse: 1001? :) |
| 23:51.52 | ashk4n | themill: ok so the 'anyone' was approriate |
| 23:51.53 | ashk4n | :) |
| 23:52.00 | dusty22 | techouse, that looks stunning what is it? |
| 23:52.03 | techouse | 10000 if you want :D |
| 23:52.07 | ashk4n | since 'no-one' has apparently used it |
| 23:52.07 | ashk4n | :) |
| 23:52.16 | dw | petemc: how's life mister |
| 23:52.26 | techouse | dusty22: gnome, compiz-fusion, awn, emerald xD |
| 23:52.29 | petemc | i was wondering if that the dee dub |
| 23:52.40 | petemc | dw: not bad, hows things your end? |
| 23:52.47 | dw | good :) just hosed my colo |
| 23:52.54 | petemc | nice |
| 23:52.56 | techouse | dw: try using apt-get upgrade |
| 23:53.06 | dw | admin after 2 days of drinking not a good plan |
| 23:53.23 | petemc | dw: still contracting in the big smoke? |
| 23:53.30 | dw | for the time being |
| 23:53.42 | petemc | missing google? |
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| 23:54.03 | dw | not a whole lot. still learning from there :) |
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| 23:55.44 | dw | tesla: woohoo thanks :) the pin syntax was wrong. |
| 23:55.53 | dw | shouldn't blindly cutpaste from random phpbb forums :( |
| 23:56.33 | Phusion | my system is missing ld-linux.so... does anyone know what package i can obtain this with? |
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| 23:57.00 | pgpkeys | apt-cache search ld-linux.so should do it |
| 23:57.14 | Phusion | not quite.. |
| 23:57.46 | pgpkeys | what does the error say? on a freebsd system here so I can't check |
| 23:57.56 | rking | Phusion: i have libc6 |
| 23:58.06 | rking | Phusion: (when i dlocate /lib/ld-linux.so.2) |
| 23:58.11 | Phusion | i have that package installed, not sure why its missing |
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