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| 00:00.11 | abrotman | zightx: no |
| 00:00.14 | valdyn | DawnLight: i dont know getmail, i dont doubt it will just not run twice, like fetchmail |
| 00:00.33 | valdyn | DawnLight: something like "Error: Another fetchmail already running" |
| 00:00.34 | ``y7 | if i want syngergy to start up with debian before it prompts me in the gui for my login/pass, how could i go about setting this up? |
| 00:00.34 | zightx | abrotman: to bad |
| 00:00.42 | simonrvn | zightx: completely invisible |
| 00:00.54 | abrotman | zightx: yeah .. it is bad |
| 00:01.08 | DawnLight | valdyn: it does run twice. i've checked |
| 00:01.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: I'm afraid I don't understand what you said...could you please rephraze it? |
| 00:01.32 | valdyn | DawnLight: ok, read the docs, or write locking yourself |
| 00:01.43 | valdyn | DawnLight: paste your sources.list on a paste site |
| 00:01.52 | valdyn | DawnLight: ops |
| 00:02.00 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: ^^ |
| 00:02.13 | DawnLight | valdyn: i'm thinking of how to write a bash script. any leads? |
| 00:02.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mean, I don't understand your explanation... |
| 00:02.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't actually have a problem, I was just curious |
| 00:02.55 | heliconius | bye to everyone. have a nice night... |
| 00:03.21 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: what explanation? that obsolete = not in repo ? |
| 00:03.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, okay |
| 00:03.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | You said that it *is* in the repo |
| 00:03.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | [00:56] <valdyn> Dark_Apostrophe: obsolete just means that its in in any of the repostories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list* |
| 00:04.01 | valdyn | Dark_Apostrophe: yea, sorry |
| 00:04.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | No problem :) |
| 00:04.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's just what had me going "...huh?" |
| 00:04.34 | valdyn | DawnLight: ill google for you... i dont think you need to do custom lockng for getmail |
| 00:04.42 | simonrvn | !info getmail |
| 00:04.53 | simonrvn | meh |
| 00:04.57 | simonrvn | !info getmail etch |
| 00:05.38 | simonrvn | ah, in getmail4 |
| 00:05.44 | DawnLight | right |
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| 00:06.15 | simonrvn | just wondering ;) |
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| 00:07.31 | simonrvn | i eat fish so rarely that i forget how much i like it |
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| 00:10.57 | stoned | `j, |
| 00:10.58 | stoned | jo |
| 00:11.01 | stoned | io |
| 00:11.03 | stoned | fuck.. hi |
| 00:11.11 | Nyle | simonrvn: nice turtle |
| 00:11.22 | Nyle | I didn't know THAT is what it was. |
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| 00:11.54 | ipfreely | how do i specify a data directory when installing postgresql? |
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| 00:13.23 | simonrvn | Nyle: thanks, though i didn't make it from scratch, i cleaned it up a lot |
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| 00:13.33 | Nyle | coula fooled me |
| 00:13.38 | Nyle | now make it into a debian logo |
| 00:13.44 | Nyle | and make on ein gold/black/maroon please |
| 00:13.45 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:13.48 | simonrvn | heh |
| 00:14.10 | borbus | i'm building a newer version of cairo than I already have, should I do a checkinstall and install the deb so it doesn't mess up apt? |
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| 00:14.15 | ipfreely | anybody ? |
| 00:14.22 | valdyn | DawnLight: search for setlock on http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/faq.html |
| 00:14.47 | simonrvn | ipfreely: ask in #postgresql they'll know |
| 00:15.04 | simonrvn | or #sql |
| 00:15.21 | simonrvn | afk a bit |
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| 00:16.29 | DawnLight | valdyn: i bow my head before you in gratitude |
| 00:16.40 | _JOEY | how do I enable sshd so it starts itself during boot? |
| 00:16.42 | _JOEY | thanks! |
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| 00:16.53 | abrotman | _JOEY: did you install openssh-server ? |
| 00:17.01 | _JOEY | I don't know |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | check |
| 00:17.17 | peleg | Hey: it looks like my postfix don't rest... maybe it tries to run a bad script over and over again. Do you mind have a look at my poor log? here it is: http://pastebin.com/m5bc0bb75 ... 300 lines, barely 2 minutes. any advice? |
| 00:17.18 | _JOEY | I installed a system from netinst disc |
| 00:17.28 | DawnLight | how come abrotman gets to help all them interesting cases |
| 00:17.35 | borbus | _JOEY, you have to put symlinks in rc6.d and stuff but I think there is an app to do it automatically |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | FSVO interesting |
| 00:17.43 | DawnLight | peleg: yo |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | borbus: totally wrong |
| 00:17.56 | borbus | o rly? |
| 00:17.56 | peleg | DawnLight: hi hi... |
| 00:18.03 | _JOEY | abrotman it's not installed |
| 00:18.07 | abrotman | so install it |
| 00:18.08 | _JOEY | damn it |
| 00:18.18 | borbus | Oh well he didn't say it wasn't installed... |
| 00:18.25 | abrotman | borbus: run level 6 is still wrong |
| 00:18.29 | zightx | where is the config-file to change charset in debian? |
| 00:18.32 | borbus | Well yeah ok.. |
| 00:18.36 | _JOEY | if I put it on network then I have to carry monitor and keyboard to the switch |
| 00:18.40 | borbus | But there's an app to do it which I can't remember |
| 00:18.48 | Nyle | zightx: locales? |
| 00:18.56 | _JOEY | it doesn't come with sshd on a cd? |
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| 00:19.05 | abrotman | _JOEY: try to install it and see |
| 00:19.09 | borbus | Anyway you do have to put symlinks in them all |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | borbus: no you don't |
| 00:19.18 | Nyle | zightx: if I understand you right, you should dpkg-reconfigure locales and select one |
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| 00:19.21 | borbus | I didn't say if they were S or K |
| 00:19.24 | Nyle | if that is what you mean by charset |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | borbus: no you don't |
| 00:19.42 | zightx | Nyle: nah, i don't want to do that since that changes my language to |
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| 00:19.55 | zightx | so i want to do it manual so dpkg won't change my language |
| 00:20.12 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:20.18 | Nyle | I don't know, sorry |
| 00:20.19 | borbus | Well I have a K20ssh in rc6.d |
| 00:20.38 | Nyle | zightx: what do you mean by diff charset? |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | borbus: do you know what rc6.d is for? |
| 00:20.46 | Nyle | what are you trying to accomplish |
| 00:20.48 | borbus | Restart? |
| 00:20.54 | borbus | Can't remember |
| 00:20.59 | abrotman | borbus: and what do you think K means ? |
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| 00:21.03 | borbus | kill |
| 00:21.12 | abrotman | so why would he put a link there to start it ? |
| 00:21.20 | zightx | Nyle: i want to have swedish iso-8859-1 charset but english language in the shell |
| 00:21.24 | Bushmills | borbus: you might mean update-rc.d |
| 00:21.27 | borbus | He wouldn't but if you're going to put an S you should put a K... |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | borbus: the package does it for you |
| 00:21.44 | borbus | Maybe.. it's a bit like apache's a2es etc. |
| 00:21.47 | Nyle | zightx: oh ok. I dunno how to do that, someone else probably would |
| 00:21.49 | zightx | if i use dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the right charset it changes my language to swedish to |
| 00:22.01 | Nyle | zightx: what if you generate both of them? |
| 00:22.01 | zightx | and i want english language :) |
| 00:22.09 | borbus | I've had a couple of packages that don't and I manually add a symlink in all of them |
| 00:22.22 | abrotman | borbus: like which? |
| 00:22.23 | borbus | Well, only mpdscribble |
| 00:22.28 | borbus | And I just copied mpds |
| 00:22.35 | borbus | mpd's symlinks |
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| 00:22.46 | jhambo | forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask but: |
| 00:22.48 | jhambo | I have a Domain.xml file that has lines like "<property namespace="http://jakarta.apache.org/slide/" name="password">foo</property>". I suspect maybe this is causing some problems... does jakarta.apache.org/slide/ work anymore? the website says "slide is retired"... |
| 00:22.54 | borbus | Actually I wrote an init script for that too |
| 00:23.05 | borbus | SO.. it wasn't a package |
| 00:23.09 | borbus | lol |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | jhambo: #java ? #tomcat ? #apache ? |
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| 00:23.55 | borbus | So I'm still wondering... if I just do make install for my new cairo build, will it mess up apt's database? |
| 00:25.06 | abrotman | it won't mess up the database .. could mess you rsystem up |
| 00:26.15 | borbus | Can I make it not mess the system up? :P |
| 00:26.54 | borbus | In fact I probably don't need to install it |
| 00:27.02 | borbus | I only need it for building something else.. |
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| 00:38.17 | jim | borbus: if you put this cairo thing in /usr/local it will probably be fine... ymmv of course. |
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| 00:39.16 | Lunar_Lamp | I don't seem to be able to use ftp.debian.org - is this a known issue? |
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| 00:39.39 | jim | (if you already built it, you might have to make distclean and reconfigure so the prefix is set for somewhere in /usr/local |
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| 00:40.06 | jim | Lunar_Lamp: that depends. what are you using it for? what are you trying to accomplish overall? |
| 00:40.48 | Lunar_Lamp | jim, I'm trying to install some packages - but my server can't seem to hit things from there. So I pointed my web=browser at it, and can't seem to access those either. |
| 00:41.10 | jim | maybe it moved |
| 00:41.32 | jim | let's see, what about http.us.debian.org |
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| 00:42.13 | abrotman | Lunar_Lamp: so use another mirror |
| 00:42.25 | jim | Lunar_Lamp: try deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
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| 00:42.48 | Lunar_Lamp | abrotman, yes, I was just asking if there was a known issue :-/ |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | it is a round robin .. stuff can happen |
| 00:43.54 | jim | Lunar_Lamp: does that site even ever come up? it seems like an old name that stopped being used. did that site name come from a mirror list? |
| 00:44.31 | Lunar_Lamp | jim, yes, it can update the package list fine. |
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| 00:44.50 | Lunar_Lamp | It just seems to be very slow now - and not broken. |
| 00:45.21 | jim | ok, so I'm trying to boot into a system which uses a usb storage device to have debian on, and gets booted from the internal drive of a laptop |
| 00:46.30 | jim | the problem seems to be that the external drive gets its drivers loaded/initialized (usb subsystem) after an attempt is made to access it |
| 00:47.31 | DawnLight | http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/faq.html#faq-how-to-mutex suggests that i use setlock but setlock i don't feel confortable about this daemon-tools package. does any one know of a similar tool? |
| 00:47.50 | jim | the access is either mounting / or else just activatng the volume group |
| 00:48.19 | jim | what can I do to get the usb system activated in time for it to be accessed? |
| 00:48.29 | peppe | jim: yes, it is a known issue and one of the reasons of switching from the current sysvinit to upstart |
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| 00:49.10 | jim | is upstart being used in etch? backported? what are the reasons for the switch? |
| 00:49.27 | peppe | jim: what's the mount point of that device? you can boot without having that mounted or is a thing like /var/, /usr/..? |
| 00:49.28 | jim | what are its features other than the reasons for the switch? |
| 00:49.52 | jim | well the whole system is on the usb |
| 00:50.17 | jim | just barely enough to start up grub (and its menu.lst) is on the internal |
| 00:50.50 | peppe | jim: ok, so you have to recreate your initrd and sleep before trying to mount the root file system |
| 00:51.30 | jim | so I have to hand edit the initrd? |
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| 00:51.54 | peppe | jim: hum, wait |
| 00:52.15 | jim | don';t get me wrong, I'll do it... |
| 00:52.17 | peppe | jim: try adding rootdelay=30 (30 seconds) to your kernel command line |
| 00:52.28 | jim | oh ok |
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| 00:53.11 | peppe | 30 maybe is actually too much, but you get the idea |
| 00:53.18 | jim | sure |
| 00:53.24 | jim | I'll try that in just a moment |
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| 00:54.39 | peppe | that should set a ROOTDELAY variable in the init script in the initrd, and then udev will wait more for devices to settle |
| 00:55.00 | peppe | (look at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ scripts for more info) |
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| 01:04.56 | Nyle | daudi |
| 01:04.57 | user__ | Casn anyone here help me compile a driver? |
| 01:05.04 | Nyle | user__: which driver |
| 01:05.11 | Nyle | what hw |
| 01:05.11 | hologram | user__: whats the problem? |
| 01:05.31 | user__ | I am trying to make the martian modem driver but I kep getting this eror /tmp/ccyHGZDV.s:4852: Error: missing operand |
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| 01:05.38 | user__ | make: *** [main.o] Error 1 |
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| 01:06.34 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 01:06.36 | Nyle | martian |
| 01:07.21 | user__ | -e CC main. |
| 01:07.38 | zamba | i'm looking for a backport of gallery2.. anyone know where i might be able to locate it? |
| 01:07.45 | user__ | he /tmp/ccj61Cbf.s: Assembler messages: |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | zamba: it's in etch already |
| 01:08.55 | zamba | abrotman: yeah, but it's old |
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| 01:09.12 | zamba | 2.1.2, but i need 2.2.x |
| 01:09.23 | zamba | 2.2.3 is in sid |
| 01:09.30 | redwyrm | is there a way to determine the order of file entries in an ISO? |
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| 01:12.04 | abrotman | you can mount the ISO |
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| 01:15.46 | redwyrm | abrotman, so after I mount it, I would change the order of the files |
| 01:15.51 | redwyrm | ? |
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| 01:16.21 | abrotman | redwyrm: why do you care? |
| 01:16.45 | peppe | redwyrm: what's the "order of file entries"? the order of files as they're written into the image? |
| 01:16.51 | redwyrm | no |
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| 01:17.27 | redwyrm | abrotman, because the MP3 player in my car doesn't play songs in the right order |
| 01:17.37 | Joelito | Hi all, I've downloaded compiz from debian etch's repos, I don't know how to turn it on, I know my pc supports it because I had it back with ubuntu |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | redwyrm: sounds like a problem with your car |
| 01:18.04 | Joelito | I've read something about "compiz -replace" but doesn't work |
| 01:18.32 | redwyrm | peppe, well, the order of files names as listed in the ISO9660 file system |
| 01:18.42 | peppe | redwyrm: maybe with isodump or similar tools? |
| 01:18.58 | redwyrm | abrotman, well, I'd like to fix it by burning a certain kind of cd |
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| 01:19.51 | Tramp | redwyrm: could it be that your player plays them in alphabetic order? |
| 01:19.59 | redwyrm | it doesn't |
| 01:20.19 | redwyrm | because it plays a song that starts with '02' before it plays one that starts with '01' |
| 01:20.27 | redwyrm | (sometimes) |
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| 01:21.11 | Tramp | redwyrm: it is extremely unlikely that your player uses anything else but (a) alphabetic order or (b) a playlist and that you can fix any problem you may think you have by "burning a certain kind of CD" |
| 01:21.22 | aedion | i've set up a debian etch "standard" system (no X, etc. pp.) and aptituted ssh but get no /etc/init.d/ssh script. why not? |
| 01:21.40 | peppe | maybe it plays mp3 tracks in id3 tag order |
| 01:21.54 | Tramp | ah, ok. Valid point. |
| 01:22.13 | redwyrm | I'll dig up my mp3 player manual and see what it says about playing order |
| 01:22.15 | DawnLight | Joelito: you'd be better off waiting on compiz until lenny is stable |
| 01:22.16 | Tramp | which doesn't change the core of my statement 8) |
| 01:22.33 | peppe | Tramp: sure :) |
| 01:22.35 | Tramp | that's a brilliant idea! |
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| 01:23.06 | peppe | aedion: hu? is openssh-server installed? |
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| 01:23.28 | aedion | peppe: uhm. eh. |
| 01:23.40 | FiendishFish | aedion, apt-get openssh-server |
| 01:23.55 | aedion | aptitude please :P - thanks! |
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| 01:24.02 | FiendishFish | why not apt-get? |
| 01:24.10 | FiendishFish | apt-get install openssh-server, it's quicker. |
| 01:24.13 | aedion | i know that i forget something :/ |
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| 01:24.26 | aedion | yes, 3 seconds or so :D |
| 01:24.46 | ross` | i have the "python" package installed on my debian server but when i tried to install a program that needed it for its python plugin it said it wasnt there so it wasnt going to install the python plugin |
| 01:24.58 | ross` | is there another package that installed python 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 01:24.59 | peppe | FiendishFish: because starting from etch aptitude is "the" tool (don't ask me why) |
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| 01:25.09 | FiendishFish | Meh. |
| 01:25.15 | Mr | hi all |
| 01:25.17 | ross` | or do i need a certain other package |
| 01:25.21 | FiendishFish | apt-get is easier :D |
| 01:25.33 | aedion | peppe: i read that aptitude's attributes are better for controlling and logging |
| 01:25.49 | aedion | i do not know what is easier with apt-get |
| 01:25.54 | aedion | it is faster, right |
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| 01:26.34 | DawnLight | !getmail |
| 01:26.34 | dpkg | [getmail] what someone thought he should use until he came across mpop. ask me about <mpop>. |
| 01:26.41 | FiendishFish | ross`, do you need python-dev? |
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| 01:26.46 | abrotman | yay useless factoids |
| 01:27.08 | ross` | maybe im not sure what i need |
| 01:27.09 | peppe | ok, aptitude is cool, blame on apt-get, let's ask dpkg what he thinks about, aptitude FTW, now stop please :P |
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| 01:27.22 | ross` | i don't think i have python 2.4 installed |
| 01:27.24 | ross` | but im not sure |
| 01:27.25 | DawnLight | good factoid! |
| 01:27.30 | FiendishFish | What version do you have? |
| 01:27.37 | ross` | maybe i need libpython2.4? |
| 01:27.44 | ross` | but that package doesnt exist anymore |
| 01:27.54 | aedion | peppe: no, i am really interessted - please explain me your point of view :) |
| 01:28.17 | FiendishFish | ross`, maybe try: apt-get install python and then apt-get install python-dev |
| 01:28.20 | redwyrm | I think I'm just going to list each file path in the mkisofs command to control the order |
| 01:29.15 | FiendishFish | aedion, The only reason I use apt-get is because it's quicker. liek apt-cache search python | grep 2.4 |
| 01:29.16 | FiendishFish | or w/e |
| 01:29.25 | FiendishFish | Or if you know the package name just apt-get install package |
| 01:29.26 | FiendishFish | Is quick |
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| 01:29.40 | ross` | does python-dev allow the python plugin to be compiled? |
| 01:29.43 | ross` | is that what that's for |
| 01:29.49 | MrTelephone | whats the best thing to do if your system has been comprimised? |
| 01:30.03 | ross` | MrTelephone: start over |
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| 01:30.18 | FiendishFish | ross`, I guess so. |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | MrTelephone: take it offline |
| 01:30.26 | MrTelephone | Feb 15 08:18:51 clyde su[26578]: Successful su for nobody by root |
| 01:30.27 | MrTelephone | Feb 15 08:18:51 clyde su[26578]: + ??? root:nobody |
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| 01:30.28 | peppe | aedion: I don't care very much about which tool one likes to use, but on a debian channel I have to say to use the "recommended" one :) I know that aptitude is more powerful and flexible than apt-get |
| 01:30.30 | ross` | anyway i had python but not python-dev |
| 01:30.34 | ross` | ill reinstall now |
| 01:30.35 | MrTelephone | how the hell can someone login as root? |
| 01:30.36 | ross` | .. |
| 01:30.42 | MrTelephone | i mean noboy |
| 01:31.05 | aedion | peppe and FriendFish: thanks :) |
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| 01:32.43 | peppe | MrTelephone: are you *reading* those log messages? |
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| 01:33.26 | peppe | MrTelephone: thaat means that *ROOT* has become *NOBODY*, not the opposite |
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| 01:34.15 | peppe | and that's perfectly legal and widely used by all daemons cronscripts and co. on the system |
| 01:34.46 | ross` | MrTelephone: reinsatll your system and disable root login is my advice |
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| 01:35.55 | MrTelephone | is there some kind of new exploit out there |
| 01:36.04 | MrTelephone | this just happened not too long after that kernel hack |
| 01:36.19 | ross` | you mean vmsplice? |
| 01:36.32 | MrTelephone | yeah |
| 01:37.04 | peppe | MrTelephone: is that system used by other users? |
| 01:37.07 | MrTelephone | what shoul /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd look like.. there are a bunch of users that have /bin/sh such as ircd and ftp and other crap like that |
| 01:37.18 | MrTelephone | maybe like 10 users or so |
| 01:37.25 | ross` | speaking of which, has that exploit been removed from the current etch kernel |
| 01:37.39 | peppe | trusted users or what? did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 01:37.53 | ross` | how do you upgrade your kernel to the newest without reinstall |
| 01:37.57 | ross` | is there a way to do it thru apt? |
| 01:38.29 | MrTelephone | not yet |
| 01:38.47 | peppe | ross`: "without reinstall" what? |
| 01:38.59 | ross` | is there a way to update my kernel |
| 01:39.09 | ross` | because i don't believe its been updated since the exploit |
| 01:39.16 | peppe | ross`: yes, install the new version... stop |
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| 01:39.22 | ross` | ?? |
| 01:39.33 | ross` | er......? |
| 01:39.38 | peppe | ross`: you upgrade the kernel exactly like every package |
| 01:39.43 | MrTelephone | psybnc is installed on one of my servers |
| 01:39.49 | ross` | apt-get install currentkernel? |
| 01:40.18 | ross` | can you give me the package name of the newest kernel? |
| 01:40.18 | peppe | ross`: maybe *new* kernel :) or install some metapackages that always depend on the latest kernel |
| 01:40.20 | ross` | :D |
| 01:40.28 | aMoRPHeouS | is glib == glibc? |
| 01:40.35 | peppe | aMoRPHeouS: no |
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| 01:40.57 | aMoRPHeouS | ok, I can see glibc in apt search, but no glib |
| 01:40.57 | peppe | ross`: install linux-image-2.6-YOURARCH |
| 01:41.04 | ross` | MYARCH? |
| 01:41.11 | peppe | ross`: 386, 686, k7... |
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| 01:41.19 | aMoRPHeouS | package not found when I search for glib |
| 01:41.31 | peppe | aMoRPHeouS: it's a library, libglib |
| 01:41.37 | peppe | libglib2.0-0 etc. |
| 01:41.45 | ross` | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-x86 will install the latest kernel? |
| 01:41.47 | aMoRPHeouS | ah, ok |
| 01:41.50 | ross` | or just an old 2.6 |
| 01:41.58 | peppe | ross`: 686? k7? |
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| 01:42.04 | ross` | im not sure |
| 01:42.07 | peppe | ross`: what cpu do you have? |
| 01:42.09 | ross` | i know its x86 |
| 01:42.13 | ross` | im not sure |
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| 01:42.20 | peppe | ross`: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 01:43.04 | ross` | er |
| 01:43.07 | ross` | what line are you looking for |
| 01:43.11 | peppe | ross`: just the model name |
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| 01:43.14 | ross` | i can't se anything that shows anything like that |
| 01:43.14 | ross` | oh |
| 01:43.17 | ross` | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(TM) CPU 1300MHz |
| 01:43.28 | peppe | ok, 686 |
| 01:43.42 | ross` | so then what do i type? |
| 01:44.04 | peppe | ross`: apt-get install linux-image-686 |
| 01:44.16 | ross` | linux-image-686 |
| 01:44.23 | ross` | that will install the newest? |
| 01:44.29 | peppe | ross`: yes |
| 01:44.45 | peppe | ross`: also, it will always keep your kernel ugpraded |
| 01:44.49 | peppe | *upgraded |
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| 01:45.03 | ross` | is the exploit removed from this one? |
| 01:45.16 | ross` | it just set it up |
| 01:45.18 | ross` | so is it all done? |
| 01:45.22 | ross` | do i have to do anythign else? |
| 01:45.27 | ross` | or is it all set and secure with latest |
| 01:45.59 | peppe | ross`: what are you running? etch? testing? |
| 01:46.02 | ross` | etch |
| 01:46.17 | peppe | ross`: yes, etch's kernel is patched |
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| 01:47.20 | ross` | so after doign apt-get install linux-image-686 |
| 01:47.25 | ross` | is there anything else i have to dop |
| 01:47.34 | donald_ | reboot |
| 01:47.36 | aedion | good night guys :) |
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| 01:48.01 | donald_ | good morning kids |
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| 01:48.06 | peppe | ross`: reboot :) |
| 01:48.10 | aMoRPHeouS | there isn't a version of SQLite later than 2.8.1704 :/ |
| 01:48.22 | peppe | donald_: 2.48 am here... :P |
| 01:48.26 | ross` | i have to reboot? |
| 01:48.36 | donald_ | 0948 hrs |
| 01:48.52 | donald_ | ross`: strange but true |
| 01:49.02 | ross` | but its linu |
| 01:49.03 | snewp | 0948 here too |
| 01:49.07 | ross` | who ever heard of linux rebooting |
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| 01:49.30 | donald_ | ross`: ha ha.. to load a new kernel, u do hv to reboot |
| 01:49.43 | ross` | mmkay |
| 01:49.49 | brif8 | How do you list dependencies of a package ? to see all is installed ? |
| 01:50.00 | peppe | brif8: apt-cache show package |
| 01:50.11 | peppe | brif8: "all is installed" ? |
| 01:50.24 | ross` | once i finish downloading crossfire from latest svn branch |
| 01:50.31 | ross` | ill restart |
| 01:51.54 | ross` | going down baby :D |
| 01:51.56 | ross` | reboot |
| 01:51.58 | ross` | oops LOL |
| 01:52.35 | peppe | going down? is that an aerosmith quote? :P |
| 01:52.52 | brif8 | peppe: I'm having evolution tell me SSL unavailable, on one machine ? but not on another ? |
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| 01:53.11 | Seldaek | can I use ping on a specific port ? |
| 01:53.36 | peppe | Seldaek: do you know what you're talking about? ping is not telnet |
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| 01:53.52 | nslater | hey, if i uploaded my keys to pgp.net where can i see an overview of the key? |
| 01:54.21 | peppe | nslater: maybe it has a web interface? |
| 01:54.38 | nslater | peppe: it does, but i cant find it via google |
| 01:54.40 | Seldaek | peppe: well.. yeah sorry that was dumb, but I'm trying to check if I can access a host on a specific port, so yeah through telnet what's the syntax ? I tried open host:port but it breaks |
| 01:54.42 | peppe | brif8: do you have openssl packages installed? |
| 01:55.06 | peppe | nslater: pgp.mit.edu ? |
| 01:55.13 | nslater | peppe: yeah |
| 01:55.19 | peppe | Seldaek: telnet host port |
| 01:55.22 | brif8 | peppe: yes |
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| 01:56.04 | Seldaek | peppe: okay, then I guess it's blocked:/ |
| 01:56.06 | Seldaek | thanks |
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| 01:56.55 | peppe | brif8: what's exactly the error message? do you use pop3 or imap over ssl? |
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| 01:57.57 | brif8 | peppe: "cannot connect to mail.server SSL unavilable" and yes imap over ssl works with thunderbird on this same machine and works with evolution on another machine so it must be something evolution and local |
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| 01:58.44 | donald_ | anyone really good with samba? i have a strange problem where my wireless hosts cannot see each other's shares but can see the server shares |
| 01:58.58 | peppe | brif8: is that the exact error string? because "mail.server" is pretty strange :P |
| 02:00.14 | brif8 | the string is 95% exact I just changed the mail server name to mail.server otherwise identical |
| 02:00.19 | brif8 | or word for word |
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| 02:01.11 | peppe | brif8: dunno... double-check the configuration |
| 02:01.13 | jim | ok, cool, thank you... laptop is booting on its own after solving a coupla issues |
| 02:01.33 | peppe | brif8: eventually side by side with the evolution that works |
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| 02:02.27 | jim | so I have a dell inspiron 5150, which has an external monitor out... I want that output to copy the screen; any way to do that? |
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| 02:02.43 | peppe | jim: hm.. xrandr? |
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| 02:02.55 | peppe | jim: check your video driver doc |
| 02:03.02 | jim | ok... |
| 02:03.12 | jim | I think the card is an ati |
| 02:03.24 | brif8 | peppe: have repeatedly and even delete and re-created the account that why was I going check dependencies |
| 02:03.24 | jim | the driver might be aiglx |
| 02:03.33 | MrTelephone | does anyone know of a trojan that sits on port 30000 by default? |
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| 02:03.48 | donald_ | jim: try xrandr -q in a terminal window |
| 02:04.05 | Facedown | i installed madwifi, and when i restarted i don't see any wireless connections.. hrm? |
| 02:04.11 | jim | ok, will do after taking a look :) |
| 02:04.30 | jim | right now I have it installing kde and kdm |
| 02:04.40 | peppe | Facedown: did you compile the module? |
| 02:04.49 | Facedown | hm. yeah think so |
| 02:04.57 | Facedown | people here gave me instructions, tons of commands |
| 02:05.14 | jim | btw, is there a way to have it send -everything- including when I'm on vt1-6? |
| 02:05.22 | peppe | Facedown: actually, 2 (two) commands are enough |
| 02:05.36 | Facedown | is there a command to renable it |
| 02:05.38 | Facedown | re-enable** |
| 02:05.42 | jim | xrandr, which I will try in a moment, sounds like it does only X |
| 02:06.53 | peppe | Facedown: no, but what have you already done? |
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| 02:08.00 | Facedown | nothing. |
| 02:08.02 | Facedown | uh |
| 02:08.06 | Facedown | compile it.. |
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| 02:08.49 | jim | when I connect the monitor cable to the laptop and a monitor, it's blank when I'm running linux or X (had just x-window-system-core installed, so I could try that) but it works in windows |
| 02:09.08 | Facedown | how can i run it via console? |
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| 02:09.46 | donald_ | Facedown: have never really worked that way |
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| 02:10.30 | Facedown | so you have no advice? i just googled the 'iwconfig' command |
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| 02:10.38 | Mech423 | hi all - stupid question - but does make-kpkg apply the debian patches to the source tree automagically ? |
| 02:10.48 | MrTelephone | can you list files on a computer that were created after a certain date? |
| 02:10.56 | donald_ | oops.. |
| 02:10.59 | nslater | MrTelephone: man find |
| 02:11.01 | Facedown | eth0, sit0 , lo .. no wirelessextensions |
| 02:11.14 | donald_ | Facedown: what is it u were trying to do in console? |
| 02:11.26 | Facedown | Nothing |
| 02:11.30 | Facedown | I just want mad wifi working |
| 02:11.41 | Facedown | it was working before i restarted |
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| 02:11.52 | ross` | MrTelephone: try locate |
| 02:12.00 | donald_ | not that i use that hardware but did u have module assistant installed? |
| 02:12.01 | nslater | ross`: that wont work |
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| 02:12.09 | dondelelcaro | Mech423: depends on the source tree that you're operating on. It won't just randomly do it, though. |
| 02:12.10 | ross` | mmmmmm? |
| 02:12.11 | Facedown | <-- 110% linux noob. |
| 02:12.15 | nslater | ross`: he wants find |
| 02:12.23 | ross` | Facedown: you can't be more nooby then me |
| 02:12.27 | Facedown | wrong |
| 02:12.29 | ross` | nslater: i use locate to find stuff |
| 02:12.37 | nslater | ross`: by date? |
| 02:12.38 | ross` | Facedown: lol, i doubt that |
| 02:12.45 | ross` | nslater: mmm, maybe not by date.. |
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| 02:12.58 | Facedown | ross: i didnt know about the locate command. i win? |
| 02:13.01 | nslater | ross`: try "man find", its much more powerful, but really for something different |
| 02:13.29 | nslater | locate runs from a database of files, find scans a directory tree in real time |
| 02:13.51 | ross` | Facedown: this is stupid were contesting over who's stupid and the winner gets to be stupid? hell~! |
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| 02:14.18 | Facedown | anyone familiar with madwifi? |
| 02:14.23 | ross` | nope |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 02:14.29 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 02:14.32 | donald_ | facedown: are u using lenny or siid? |
| 02:14.43 | Facedown | dont know what lenny or siid is. |
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| 02:14.56 | donald_ | how did u install Debian? |
| 02:15.01 | Facedown | debian etch net install. |
| 02:15.12 | Facedown | downloaded the iso last week |
| 02:15.13 | donald_ | so it's etch then |
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| 02:15.19 | Facedown | why'd you ask lenny? |
| 02:15.20 | jim | MrTelephone: yes, and a LOT more. man find, and you'll have a tool you can use to find files that match just about any criteria you can imagine |
| 02:15.31 | Mech423 | dondelelcaro: ahh - is there a good howto for building recent kernels with make-kpkg and the debian patches applied? I basically just need to add a 3rd party driver (there is a bug in the 3w-xxxx driver that 3ware has updates for..) |
| 02:15.35 | oem | How do I connect to an ssh server using command line? |
| 02:15.41 | Facedown | i thought sarge and etch are the most popular debian distros. not lenny or siid |
| 02:15.45 | jim | ssh! |
| 02:15.57 | donald_ | Facedown: sarge is old stable. |
| 02:15.57 | Facedown | but yes, im using etch |
| 02:16.01 | Facedown | ok |
| 02:16.11 | donald_ | lenny is a better desktop |
| 02:16.17 | donald_ | and sid is for nuts |
| 02:16.18 | jim | ssh the.server.you.want.to.connect.to.com |
| 02:16.20 | jim | OR |
| 02:16.26 | jim | ssh username@the.server.you.want.to.connect.to.com |
| 02:16.53 | Facedown | so what can i do? |
| 02:16.57 | jim | it's not all that much better :P |
| 02:17.08 | jim | anything you want! |
| 02:17.13 | peppe | Mech423: I think that there are a lot of howtos for that |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | Facedown: did you try "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci" ? |
| 02:17.27 | peppe | Facedown: abrotman told you |
| 02:17.28 | donald_ | as dear dpkg has spelled out, u need to install some packages and then use module assistant to make the module |
| 02:17.29 | Facedown | did that last time |
| 02:17.35 | Mech423 | peppe: yeah, they all seem to be old/ignore the debian patches |
| 02:17.45 | Facedown | abrotman, modprobe auth_pci .. what does that do? maybe i need te last command |
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| 02:18.05 | peppe | Facedown: it loads the driver |
| 02:18.14 | Facedown | modprobe returns nothing |
| 02:18.15 | dondelelcaro | Mech423: just the Debian kernel source that you want to build, apply the patch, and run make-kpkg as normal. |
| 02:18.17 | Facedown | guess ill reinstall |
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| 02:18.37 | simonrvn | reinstall for one driver o_O? |
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| 02:19.03 | Facedown | err |
| 02:19.05 | Facedown | i meant the app |
| 02:19.07 | Facedown | not the whole os |
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| 02:19.45 | abrotman | Facedown: modprobe isn't supposed to return anything .. unless it doesn't work |
| 02:19.49 | jim | here's two things nice about debian: (a) you can install little pieces and (2) you can upgrade the whole os in one shot |
| 02:20.10 | donald_ | jim: but u cant downgrade.. can we? |
| 02:20.20 | jim | not easily |
| 02:20.31 | donald_ | like going back to lenny from sid? |
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| 02:21.31 | jim | not really... well, if you let enough time go by then lenny (or the testing after lenny) will have all updated packages, newer than all your sid packages at the time |
| 02:21.54 | Facedown | if id o.. modprobe ath_pci it gives me.. module auth_pci not found |
| 02:21.57 | Facedown | *if i do* |
| 02:22.03 | jim | but having said that, it's tough to know if such an upgrade would work well |
| 02:22.06 | donald_ | jim: that would be a long wait... |
| 02:22.12 | peppe | Facedown: just run that command line |
| 02:22.24 | donald_ | Facedown: it's ath_pci |
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| 02:22.29 | TravisM|Laptop | all I did to get this was to create these symlinks: |
| 02:22.31 | TravisM|Laptop | (%:/etc/apache2)- sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 02:22.31 | TravisM|Laptop | Starting web server: apache2/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: 19301 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -k $ARGV failed! |
| 02:22.36 | TravisM|Laptop | symlinks: |
| 02:22.56 | Bushmills | TravisM|Laptop: that's possible happening on apache -t |
| 02:23.05 | jim | it takes work to get the stable to upgrade cleanly from the previous stable |
| 02:23.07 | Bushmills | when testing config |
| 02:23.32 | jim | which the maints have to do |
| 02:23.40 | peppe | Bushmills: whoa... |
| 02:23.40 | Bushmills | try to put echo statements around the test call in apachectl |
| 02:24.25 | TravisM|Laptop | /bin/sh: for FILES in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.*; do echo -n "$FILES: "; ls -l $FILES; done: No such file or directory |
| 02:24.36 | TravisM|Laptop | /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.*: ls: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/userdir.*: No such file or directory |
| 02:24.59 | TravisM|Laptop | err...wth? |
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| 02:26.32 | TravisM|Laptop | (%:/etc/apache2)- sudo apache2ctl configtest |
| 02:26.33 | TravisM|Laptop | Syntax OK |
| 02:26.33 | TravisM|Laptop | /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 80: 19322 Segmentation fault $HTTPD -t |
| 02:26.39 | TravisM|Laptop | WTF? |
| 02:26.44 | Bushmills | TravisM|Laptop: /usr/bin/apache2ctl ... have a look here: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1203215166750384440.png |
| 02:26.51 | ross` | use a pastebin please rafb.net works |
| 02:27.11 | dondelelcaro | TravisM|Laptop: if /usr/sbin/apache2 is segfaulting, you've got problems. |
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| 02:29.19 | TonyNolo | Hi. Anyone here adept at using 'kpartx' that can spare a sec? |
| 02:29.20 | Bushmills | looks like a problem with memory allocation |
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| 02:35.10 | MrTelephone | is it necessary for everything to have /bin/sh in /etc/passwd? |
| 02:35.27 | Bushmills | MrTelephone: not at all |
| 02:35.29 | donald_ | MrTelephone: not really |
| 02:36.39 | abrotman | MrTelephone: no |
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| 02:38.49 | MrTelephone | the usernames added for the programs should be /bin/false or /bin/nologin? |
| 02:38.58 | TravisM|Laptop | http://rafb.net/p/CrqCXr81.html |
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| 02:39.18 | MrTelephone | i got screwed over pretty good here by some script kiddies |
| 02:39.21 | TravisM|Laptop | there is the more verbose apache2ctl showing errors |
| 02:39.35 | MrTelephone | linux isn't that good because there are too many free sources available to hackers |
| 02:39.50 | MrTelephone | going to have to go back to server 2003 :P |
| 02:40.05 | donald_ | MrTelephone: actually, there is a warning before u run some scripts as root |
| 02:41.00 | Xenguy | MrTelephone: what happened, didn't patch your boxen? |
| 02:41.04 | MrTelephone | not sure yet |
| 02:41.05 | TravisM|Laptop | MrTelephone: not so if there are more people fixing bugs by looking at source instead of breaking security |
| 02:41.09 | MrTelephone | hard to find out when they use alog cleaner |
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| 02:41.29 | Xenguy | MrTelephone: tried rkhunter? chkrootkit? |
| 02:41.34 | MrTelephone | they made some folders and have some bins on there that hide processes |
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| 02:42.09 | Bushmills | MrTelephone: sounds like microsoft fud. but consider that closed source tend to be buggier, because of no review. |
| 02:42.22 | liable | MrTelephone: that kernel exploit required somebody to have user access first.. |
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| 02:42.37 | TravisM|Laptop | MrTelephone: you have a rootkit, and those programs in those "folders" (they are directories!) control the rootkit |
| 02:42.52 | frankr | hey guys, I need a good tool to deep clean / secure delete data, any ideas |
| 02:42.55 | donald_ | as someone said, linux virus usually attack between the keyboard and chair |
| 02:43.02 | MrTelephone | i checked the dates on /bin/login and netstat |
| 02:43.07 | Xenguy | frankr: wipe or shred... |
| 02:43.20 | TravisM|Laptop | MrTelephone: they can be changed to whatever you want with touch |
| 02:43.20 | MrTelephone | its my fault for not changing my password enough |
| 02:43.22 | Xenguy | frankr: but read the fine print first (e.g. with journalled filesystems) |
| 02:43.23 | TravisM|Laptop | don't be fooled |
| 02:43.42 | TravisM|Laptop | I'm about 15 years old and I know this |
| 02:43.50 | MrTelephone | people get lazy |
| 02:43.57 | peppe | MrTelephone: if you're not able to secure your boxes you're not in the status to make security judgments |
| 02:44.00 | Xenguy | MrTelephone: seriously, run rkhunter on the box |
| 02:44.20 | liable | from a cd |
| 02:44.29 | peppe | if a machine of yours got compromised, shut it down *now* and do forensic analysis on it |
| 02:44.54 | MrTelephone | hard to be secure on public servers |
| 02:45.11 | donald_ | MrTelephone: not true |
| 02:45.16 | peppe | MrTelephone: absolutely not true |
| 02:45.22 | MrTelephone | it's quicker to wipe it out and restart |
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| 02:45.36 | MrTelephone | yeah im gonna charge some guy in europe |
| 02:45.45 | liable | i'm not yet convinced youve been hacked at all |
| 02:45.47 | donald_ | i run debian on a server for my www/ftp and eveything else |
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| 02:46.59 | peppe | MrTelephone: oh yeah, don't do any forensyc analysis, who minds if you get cracked another time using the same weaknesses (but you don't which they are because it's quicker to wipe out) |
| 02:47.13 | peppe | *forensic |
| 02:47.18 | MrTelephone | i was good for three years |
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| 02:47.27 | MrTelephone | and all of a sudden.. bang |
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| 02:47.45 | donald_ | u slacked |
| 02:47.46 | Bushmills | though the logic escapes me: "linux is not good because I'm to stupid to set secure passwords" |
| 02:48.10 | MrTelephone | yeah |
| 02:48.13 | Bushmills | ideally, you'd not use passwords at all |
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| 02:48.34 | AntLiOn | hello there. I was trying to recompile the kernel and i got this weird message from the compiler: http://tinyurl.com/2am28f i think it's related to fstab. can someone help me? thanks |
| 02:48.35 | MrTelephone | i wanted to buy a console server and have it behind a vpn... but couln't afford it |
| 02:48.37 | Bushmills | what do you need password for? |
| 02:48.40 | TravisM|Laptop | reinstalling the apache2 packages fixed it |
| 02:48.41 | peppe | MrTelephone: and so? security is a day by day process, not a cornucopia that you get by using debian |
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| 02:49.04 | donald_ | MrTelephone: maybe u were hit by someone running the vmsplice script? |
| 02:49.11 | donald_ | one of yr users maybe |
| 02:49.27 | peppe | AntLiOn: what the HELL is http://s4.bitefight.com.pt/c.php?uid=51772 ? |
| 02:49.33 | MrTelephone | maybe |
| 02:49.41 | MrTelephone | im just trying to clean things up a little bit |
| 02:49.50 | MrTelephone | remove trojans and check to see if they come back |
| 02:49.53 | liable | !ops AntLiOn spamming us |
| 02:49.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: AntLiOn spamming us |
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| 02:50.18 | liable | should have known from the tinyurl |
| 02:50.21 | MrTelephone | having eggdrops installed and changing of bind configs is a good sign someone has been aroun :P |
| 02:50.22 | frankr | uh I have a directory of a lot of files.. over 32000.. so when I try to run shred on them, it doesn't work because it says the argument list is too long - what can I do to fix this |
| 02:50.33 | Bushmills | MrTelephone: if your box really has been compromised, don't continue to use it |
| 02:50.37 | peppe | frankr: find | xargs |
| 02:50.45 | simonrvn | use find and xargs |
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| 02:50.58 | Bushmills | don't try to "fix" the symptoms |
| 02:51.08 | _joey | how do i search for a package in apt repository? |
| 02:51.15 | MrTelephone | i can't shut it down at the moment |
| 02:51.18 | simonrvn | find /foo/path -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shred |
| 02:51.19 | donald_ | apt-cache search |
| 02:51.22 | peppe | _joey: come on, GOOGLE it! |
| 02:51.41 | frankr | peppe: you mean like shred $(find | xargs) ? |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | liable: with what ? |
| 02:51.43 | _joey | thanks donald_ |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | liable: bah .. gone |
| 02:51.50 | frankr | cause it still says argument list is too long |
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| 02:52.02 | peppe | frank: simonrvn told you |
| 02:52.09 | TravisM|Laptop | apache2 even works with my nice userdir module that I wanted :) |
| 02:52.12 | frankr | .. what? |
| 02:52.18 | simonrvn | frankr: no, not like that, see above |
| 02:52.19 | Trollinator | frankr: you might want to take a look at find's -exec option |
| 02:52.35 | Trollinator | find . -exec shred {} \; |
| 02:52.36 | frankr | .. oh |
| 02:52.39 | simonrvn | -exec? ugh, no, not with that situation |
| 02:52.43 | peppe | MrTelephone: you aren't using windows, so you can't just install your norton and clean up your mess. if someone cracked a machine, you can do nothing except shutting it down and reinstalling it |
| 02:52.44 | frankr | I see, sorry |
| 02:53.22 | Trollinator | simonrvn: why, what's wrong with -exec? |
| 02:53.32 | simonrvn | resource usage |
| 02:53.38 | Roman123 | I have a (perhaps) more advanced SSL question. I like to use an officially signed/trusted SSL-certificate (signed by comodo) with vsftpd. I have a key-, a crt-, and a ca-bundle-file. How do I include them into vsftpd? As far as I can see, vsftpd provides only the option rsa_cert_file. |
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| 02:54.15 | peppe | Trollinator: it does an fork+exec for *every* match, but find . -exec shred \{\} + is OK |
| 02:54.56 | peppe | (+ is not a typo) |
| 02:55.03 | borbus | An rsync job is taking too long... is it safe to just ctrl-c it and resume later? |
| 02:55.34 | TravisM|Laptop | peppe: wtf does the + do? |
| 02:56.06 | donald_ | bye ladies |
| 02:56.12 | TravisM|Laptop | ladies? |
| 02:56.57 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: says to find to run the command replacing \{\} by "many" filenames instead of only one (as it does when using ";") |
| 02:57.34 | MrTelephone | unhide is a neat little program |
| 02:57.37 | peppe | potentially it executes the command only once |
| 02:58.04 | MrTelephone | just like windows linux has many spots to leave backdoors |
| 02:58.06 | TravisM|Laptop | peppe: ah, I see |
| 02:58.15 | TravisM|Laptop | very cool |
| 02:58.16 | pramz | does anyone have open-iscsi bootscripts (i.e reordered so it will actually work) setup ? |
| 02:58.19 | TravisM|Laptop | I'll use find more then |
| 02:58.37 | Trollinator | why is there a limit for the number of command line arguments anyway? |
| 02:58.56 | TravisM|Laptop | Trollinator: look at the linux kernel source, maybe it will tell yoyu |
| 02:59.03 | Trollinator | argc is an int, so 2 billion arguments should be possible :( |
| 02:59.04 | peppe | Trollinator: is not an actual limit, is the limit of the *shell* parsing code |
| 02:59.18 | Trollinator | i see |
| 02:59.22 | Trollinator | so, bash sucks. |
| 02:59.27 | TravisM|Laptop | I say patch bash and zsh! |
| 02:59.55 | simonrvn | there's a limit so the shell doesn't overwhelm the system |
| 02:59.57 | peppe | Trollinator: as you can see you can actually build a longer command line by means of find | xargs etc. |
| 03:00.30 | Trollinator | ha, zsh is actually capable of passing more than 32000 arguments |
| 03:00.39 | simonrvn | yes |
| 03:00.45 | simonrvn | it's 32768 IIRC |
| 03:01.02 | Trollinator | more than 64000 i mean |
| 03:01.09 | Trollinator | it even does 100000 |
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| 03:01.24 | Trollinator | which makes me think the limit is 2^31-1 |
| 03:01.36 | peppe | the shell limit or what? |
| 03:01.44 | Trollinator | yes. |
| 03:02.16 | Trollinator | It can't be higher than that because argc is int, and INT_MAX is 2^31-1 |
| 03:03.10 | k-man | what is the process that debian uses to suspend and hybernate called? |
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| 03:04.30 | TravisM|Laptop | k-man: it's a script executed by acpid |
| 03:05.54 | peppe | Trollinator: yes but the kernel command line limit is != from the shell one |
| 03:07.14 | TravisM|Laptop | would someone please try the URL http://travismonlinux.homelinux.net/~travis/ ? |
| 03:07.44 | TravisM|Laptop | do you get a directory listing? |
| 03:07.56 | TravisM|Laptop | if so, I'm going to set up a website as well |
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| 03:08.43 | Trollinator | TravisM|Laptop: i do get a dir listing |
| 03:08.54 | TravisM|Laptop | Trollinator: ok, feel free to look around :) |
| 03:09.43 | TravisM|Laptop | while you are doing that, I am going to set up my website |
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| 03:10.05 | TravisM|Laptop | can I make apache include parts of HTML pages from ~travis/WEBSITE? |
| 03:10.14 | simonrvn | Trollinator: worky |
| 03:10.45 | simonrvn | yeh, look at README and HEADER; you can set that up to be html or such |
| 03:11.15 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: I need a solution where I do not have to become root to administer my HTML pages |
| 03:11.20 | peppe | Trollinator: linux/fs/exec.c:180: Limit to 1/4-th the stack size for the argv+env strings. |
| 03:11.26 | TravisM|Laptop | or PHP, or whatever. etc. |
| 03:12.30 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: can you give me my quick fix? |
| 03:12.42 | simonrvn | TravisM|Laptop: you don't.just set it up once for a particular thing, and you can move around/cp/... those HEADER/README.html files |
| 03:12.47 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: put a redirect in /var/www/index.php to ~youruser, then manage your website into ~youruser/public_html |
| 03:12.54 | simonrvn | sec, i'll show you config e.g. |
| 03:13.55 | simonrvn | ReadmeName README\nHeaderName HEADER # are the defaults. set those to be .html and it'll parse the file as html |
| 03:14.20 | simonrvn | e.g. ReadmeName README README.html |
| 03:14.24 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 03:14.26 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: that sucks |
| 03:14.30 | simonrvn | it's in the docs ;) |
| 03:14.49 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: I will have to add root access for every new HTML file I want |
| 03:14.57 | simonrvn | no |
| 03:15.32 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: ok, then please show me the output of tree on your ~/public_html/WEBSITE or somesuch with all of your private stuff removed |
| 03:15.42 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: I don't get where you are going with this |
| 03:15.48 | simonrvn | those files are specially treated. the HEADER one gets parsed first, the README last. if you allow dir listing, the dir listing appears in-between |
| 03:15.52 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: can I see your website as well? |
| 03:16.02 | simonrvn | ...so you can style it, or whatever |
| 03:16.02 | TravisM|Laptop | ah |
| 03:16.12 | liable | TravisM|Laptop: set your document root into your /home |
| 03:16.16 | TravisM|Laptop | can I custom-style directory listings? |
| 03:16.31 | simonrvn | yeh, with those files, you can, easily |
| 03:16.35 | peppe | with mod_index? of course |
| 03:16.58 | TravisM|Laptop | liable: can I make it so the document root only accesses files with a owner of travis and a group of www-data? |
| 03:17.01 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:17.07 | simonrvn | the server will read those files if present, and concatenate appropriately |
| 03:17.16 | TravisM|Laptop | liable: now THAT would make me happy |
| 03:17.23 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 03:17.39 | TravisM|Laptop | plus simonrvn's cool solution for stylizing thingds |
| 03:17.47 | liable | TravisM|Laptop: i'm not sure what you mean. the server will only show files in that directory |
| 03:18.09 | simonrvn | not an original idea ;). but it works well |
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| 03:18.57 | TravisM|Laptop | liable: I know that, but I would prefer the document root to only access php/html/whatever documents if they are owned by a certain user and a certain group |
| 03:19.17 | TravisM|Laptop | liable: otherwise it should be a custom 500 forbidden message that gets displayed |
| 03:20.07 | liable | so make any onther files ureadable by group |
| 03:20.26 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: can I hide files and make it so that people will have to enter a password to go inside certain directories? |
| 03:20.38 | liable | but whats the point in having files in your web server directory that it cant read.. |
| 03:20.47 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: apache works as www-data, change ownership & permissions accordingly |
| 03:20.57 | simonrvn | that'll take some htpasswd/htdigest magic, if you stick to apache stuff |
| 03:21.11 | TravisM|Laptop | for example, I only want me and my friends to have access to downloading my music |
| 03:21.14 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: .htaccess, htpasswd htdigest and black voodoo |
| 03:21.27 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: hey, a good and old ftp server? :P |
| 03:21.28 | TravisM|Laptop | peppe: ooooohhhh....black voodoo |
| 03:21.30 | TravisM|Laptop | sign me up! |
| 03:21.42 | simonrvn | meh. webdav ;) |
| 03:21.49 | simonrvn | !ftp |
| 03:21.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as running windows on your firewall machine. |
| 03:22.11 | simonrvn | wth |
| 03:23.35 | peppe | oh my, let's be nicer... |
| 03:23.36 | peppe | he just has to share his porn with his friends, ftp is good for this :P |
| 03:23.42 | abrotman | so is http |
| 03:24.42 | TravisM|Laptop | simonrvn: ok, can I make a non-unix ftp user with no password that maps files from a real unix user to the non-unix one? for example, ftp user "anonymous" would have access to certain files owned by unix user "travis" |
| 03:24.55 | TravisM|Laptop | can I make apache do FTP directory listings? |
| 03:25.16 | dondelelcaro | TravisM|Laptop: apache is an HTTP server, not an FTP server. |
| 03:25.21 | TravisM|Laptop | or act as a full FTP client with chmod/chown/etc.? |
| 03:25.21 | liable | just do htpasswd |
| 03:25.24 | TravisM|Laptop | dondelelcaro: I know |
| 03:25.38 | TravisM|Laptop | dondelelcaro: I'm just asking if apache has FTP client functionality |
| 03:25.49 | peppe | not at all, of course |
| 03:25.50 | dondelelcaro | TravisM|Laptop: it's a server; it knows nothing about ftp. |
| 03:26.03 | TravisM|Laptop | ok then... |
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| 03:26.23 | TravisM|Laptop | I'll just add a link to my ftp server on my homepagfe |
| 03:26.25 | dondelelcaro | (there is the various HTTP file transfer to the server commands, but almost no one ever uses them) |
| 03:26.35 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: it's you that want apache to do things that usually are done with a CMS or a ftp server |
| 03:26.48 | dondelelcaro | TravisM|Laptop: why don't you just have apache do file listings for whatever is on your ftp server? |
| 03:26.50 | TravisM|Laptop | peppe: I'll use a ftp server then |
| 03:26.55 | TravisM|Laptop | dondelelcaro: yes, I want that |
| 03:27.03 | TravisM|Laptop | that is exactly what I want |
| 03:27.21 | dondelelcaro | TravisM|Laptop: then turn on idexing, and point apache at those directories. It just won't take uploads. |
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| 03:28.04 | limpio | hi, i just installed lenny, locate and updatedb give me errors: command not found, am i missing a package? |
| 03:28.33 | dondelelcaro | limpio: yes. /msg dpkg search |
| 03:28.37 | TravisM|Laptop | dondelelcaro: sounds good :) |
| 03:29.12 | TravisM|Laptop | maybe I can get a C program to run or something when a user goes to a certain place on my website for FTP directory listings, I dunno |
| 03:29.24 | TravisM|Laptop | I guess that can be one of my C programming projects, no? |
| 03:29.26 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: wait, if you want a kind of "view" that changes depending on the currently logged in user, I don't know if apache + modindex is the right way |
| 03:29.44 | TravisM|Laptop | peppe: yes, I do |
| 03:30.00 | abrotman | peppe: he could write a login script that redirects based on username |
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| 03:30.41 | limpio | dondelelcaro: i get nothing with /msg dpkg search |
| 03:30.51 | dondelelcaro | !tell limpio -about search |
| 03:31.00 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/locate |
| 03:31.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:31.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/locate' (3): (/usr/bin/locate) in utils/slocate ;; (/usr/bin/locatediff) in electronics/atlc ;; (/usr/bin/locate.findutils) in utils/locate. |
| 03:31.56 | TravisM|Laptop | limpio: /msg dpkg find <whatever> |
| 03:32.06 | godling | What do I have to do in order to get Java running on my 64 bit system? Will I have to install it in a chroot? |
| 03:32.16 | peppe | abrotman: there are many solutions :) |
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| 03:32.44 | dondelelcaro | !tell godling -about install java |
| 03:32.47 | _joey | how do install sun's java quickly? |
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| 03:32.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell _joey -about install java |
| 03:33.06 | dash9 | does anyone know if etch will run on the eeepc? |
| 03:33.11 | dondelelcaro | dash9: yes. |
| 03:33.58 | dondelelcaro | dash9: see http://syn.theti.ca/articles/2008/02/16/bits-from-the-debian-eee-pc-team for details |
| 03:34.03 | limpio | TravisM|Laptop: i got nothing looking for locate nor updatedb |
| 03:34.24 | TravisM|Laptop | !+find locate |
| 03:34.25 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:34.28 | dondelelcaro | limpio: uh... if you did /msg dpkg find bin/locate; you would have gotten exactly what I showed above. |
| 03:34.30 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'locate' (6 of 47): (/usr/bin/zlocate) in net/zephyr-clients ;; (/usr/bin/locatediff) in electronics/atlc ;; (/usr/bin/dirvish-locate) in admin/dirvish ;; (/usr/share/cricket/util/relocate-perl) in net/cricket ;; (/usr/include/sparse/allocate.h) in non-free/devel/sparse ;; (/usr/lib/mlton/include/gc/array-allocate.h) in devel/mlton. |
| 03:34.47 | _joey | will azureus run with sun-java5-jre? |
| 03:34.52 | TravisM|Laptop | _joey: yes |
| 03:34.53 | dondelelcaro | limpio: and more importantly, you should have read what dpkg told you about 'search' which would have lead you to packages.debian.org where you can have searched for the same thing. |
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| 03:35.12 | TravisM|Laptop | _joey: knock your socks off with that |
| 03:35.24 | dondelelcaro | _joey: it'll even run with gcj. |
| 03:35.45 | TravisM|Laptop | java5 is recent enough for most Java programming classes at universities nowadays |
| 03:35.46 | dondelelcaro | (so you don't need sun java) |
| 03:35.49 | godling | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 03:35.58 | TravisM|Laptop | isn't java5 GPL'd? |
| 03:35.59 | limpio | dondelelcaro: that's the thing, dpkg search didn't appear at all |
| 03:36.02 | abrotman | TravisM|Laptop: no |
| 03:36.15 | TravisM|Laptop | bulls***! |
| 03:36.24 | TravisM|Laptop | I thought sun was GPLing Java! |
| 03:36.29 | dondelelcaro | limpio: you've probably got some window somewhere on your chat client with it in it. |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | TravisM|Laptop: not fully done yet |
| 03:36.36 | limpio | ok |
| 03:36.37 | godling | dondelelcaro: I was actually looking for the JDK, though (I found it). |
| 03:36.38 | godling | :) |
| 03:36.41 | dondelelcaro | "was" being the operative word there |
| 03:36.43 | TravisM|Laptop | abrotman: :( |
| 03:36.47 | TeraBoy | x crashes on nvidia driver whenever opengl is used (glxinfo, glxgears, compiz, mplayer with gl vo output....etc), debian lenny. Various online forums indicate a nvidia driver bug (for amd64). On lenny, how can I force rollback of an older version that works? |
| 03:36.51 | abrotman | TravisM|Laptop: yeah .. Sun sucks .. big surprise |
| 03:37.09 | TravisM|Laptop | abrotman: when is it going to be done? |
| 03:37.10 | dondelelcaro | TeraBoy: find a version that works and dpkg -i it. |
| 03:37.15 | abrotman | TravisM|Laptop: ask them |
| 03:37.18 | TravisM|Laptop | are they performing a code audit or what?! |
| 03:37.25 | dondelelcaro | TravisM|Laptop: how should we know? |
| 03:37.26 | TeraBoy | dondelelcaro, dpkg -i, roger, will look into that |
| 03:37.36 | TravisM|Laptop | abrotman: what is the email address or w/e? |
| 03:37.40 | godling | abrotman: I was completely juvenile and stuck my tongue out at the Sun representatives at SCALE. :D |
| 03:37.43 | dondelelcaro | TeraBoy: you can also just use aptitude install foopkg=fooversion; man aptitude; |
| 03:37.46 | jetscreamer | TeraBoy: reinstall the driver if ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so does not show a symlink |
| 03:37.46 | abrotman | TravisM|Laptop: sun.com ? |
| 03:37.48 | TravisM|Laptop | dondelelcaro: I was just asking... |
| 03:37.57 | dondelelcaro | godling: there wasn't anyone there who actually has much to do with that |
| 03:38.00 | abrotman | godling: were you at least nice to dondelelcaro ? |
| 03:38.10 | godling | abrotman: I gave him money! |
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| 03:38.27 | peppe | TravisM|Laptop: yes, sun is GPLing java, but the library isn't fully GPLed because of 3rd party software which must be relicensed or rewritten |
| 03:38.27 | godling | dondelelcaro: True, so I was probably an ass for no good reason. |
| 03:38.41 | godling | abrotman: He did give me a shirt in return, though. |
| 03:38.59 | TeraBoy | jetscreamer, hmm, that indeed is not a symlink, however Ive already reinstalled it several times. Any ideas? |
| 03:39.10 | TravisM|Laptop | peppe: I hope it gets finished soon... |
| 03:39.19 | TravisM|Laptop | they have been atit forever |
| 03:39.48 | jetscreamer | TeraBoy: that is why it is doing that. supposedly the debian nvidia packages prevent that symlink from being overwritten (if there are more symlinks i don't know about them) |
| 03:40.14 | limpio | TravisM|Laptop, dondelelcaro, thx for everything |
| 03:40.28 | jetscreamer | TeraBoy: redo the m-a a-i -f nvidia i guess... i dunno i don't use the debian packages.. you could tryi recreating the symlink maybe |
| 03:40.39 | jetscreamer | it should point at... |
| 03:40.51 | TeraBoy | jetscreamer, ahhh.... Im remembering that proceedure now,been a while since I installed. Thanks |
| 03:41.23 | godling | brb |
| 03:41.53 | jetscreamer | mine points at libglx.so.169.07 |
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| 03:42.09 | TeraBoy | jetscreamer, what path? |
| 03:42.12 | jetscreamer | godmotherfuckingdammit i'm sick of 50 thousand clipboards |
| 03:42.38 | TeraBoy | :p |
| 03:42.47 | TeraBoy | that would make a great nick |
| 03:42.52 | jetscreamer | TeraBoy: mine is in the same dir |
| 03:42.58 | _joey | what glibc version are used on etch? |
| 03:43.06 | TeraBoy | jetscreamer, alright then :) thanks |
| 03:43.15 | Trollinator | _joey: 2.3.something |
| 03:43.18 | peppe | _joey: packages.debian.org |
| 03:43.28 | Trollinator | 2.3.5 or 2.3.6, i don't remember |
| 03:43.35 | Trollinator | i thing 2.3.5 |
| 03:43.37 | simonrvn | 2.3.6 |
| 03:43.40 | godling | TeraBoy: You know what would make a great nick? |
| 03:43.52 | godling | maybe something with the word crash in it |
| 03:44.00 | TeraBoy | heh |
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| 03:44.01 | jetscreamer | godcrash? |
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| 03:44.05 | jetscreamer | crashgod? |
| 03:44.10 | dondelelcaro | CRASH OVERRIDE |
| 03:44.16 | TeraBoy | like..... godmotherfukingdamnitmyopenglbiznessiscrashing? |
| 03:44.25 | TeraBoy | dondelelcaro, nice |
| 03:44.26 | peppe | o_O |
| 03:44.39 | godling | mess wit the best, die like the rest |
| 03:44.43 | asdf | what is the command to see the services loaded in boot-time (not dmesg) |
| 03:44.43 | godling | :P |
| 03:45.15 | jetscreamer | TeraBoy: so ls the dir and see if the nvidia .so is there, make the siymlink, see if it works... let me know, i've been curious if it will :) |
| 03:45.36 | jetscreamer | ls /etc/rc2.d maybe |
| 03:45.43 | peppe | asdf: all those in /etc/rc2.d/ , ps aux is useful too |
| 03:46.35 | asdf | peppe, thank you.. but I dont mean that.. is not just the service.. is screen that u get "literaly" on boot-time |
| 03:46.57 | _joey | what packages should I install to compile C applications? |
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| 03:47.17 | dondelelcaro | _joey: build-essential and anything else you require. |
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| 03:48.49 | spradnyesh | hey, can anyone please help me finding out the right package for md5 on apache2 for debian lenny? |
| 03:48.50 | _joey | thanks |
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| 03:50.17 | grilled-cheese | actually a great nickname would have something like ";drop table" in it |
| 03:50.25 | TeraBoy | jetscreamer, there is another one there, but its the older version. I read the nvidia guide and NOTHING worked, no install candidates for new versions, etc. So, Im going to try symlinking to the old version (it did work afterall) |
| 03:50.35 | TeraBoy | if that fails, I'll try manually compiling tomorrow |
| 03:50.44 | TeraBoy | thanks for the help on the matter :) |
| 03:50.53 | TeraBoy | killing xorg now :p wish me luck |
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| 03:50.55 | Nyle | heh, crash override |
| 03:51.17 | jetscreamer | i used to game with a crash override iirc |
| 03:51.24 | jetscreamer | somebody's nick |
| 03:51.29 | spradnyesh | hey, can anyone please help me finding out the right package for md5 on apache2 for debian lenny? |
| 03:51.31 | Nyle | I still love that movie |
| 03:51.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you play any games on debian |
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| 03:51.54 | jetscreamer | idsoftware |
| 03:52.02 | Nyle | game/engine? |
| 03:52.10 | jetscreamer | and i was playing warzone2100, but i beat it |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | spradnyesh: the what ? |
| 03:52.18 | jetscreamer | quake3 mostly |
| 03:52.23 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:52.27 | jetscreamer | quake4 sucks ass on my box :/ |
| 03:52.31 | spradnyesh | abrotman: md5 module for apache2 |
| 03:52.31 | Nyle | any free games on debian you play? |
| 03:52.36 | jetscreamer | quake |
| 03:52.37 | Nyle | jetscreamer: what video card? |
| 03:52.43 | jetscreamer | nv6600gt |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | spradnyesh: oh .. apt-cache search apache md5 ? |
| 03:52.47 | jetscreamer | it's the proc |
| 03:52.50 | jetscreamer | xp2400 |
| 03:52.54 | Nyle | damn |
| 03:52.57 | Nyle | agp? |
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| 03:53.00 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 03:53.05 | jetscreamer | 4x |
| 03:53.06 | Nyle | got any money? |
| 03:53.09 | jetscreamer | nope |
| 03:53.12 | TeraBoy | jetscreamer, success :) thanks mate |
| 03:53.23 | jetscreamer | i made 600 on valentines, all gone :( |
| 03:53.44 | Nyle | well I got a 7600gs but I aint paying for shipping |
| 03:53.50 | jetscreamer | TeraBoy: cool. check out http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt if you ever want to try the nvidia installer |
| 03:53.51 | Nyle | its agp 8x |
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| 03:54.03 | jetscreamer | oh well if you want to just give it to me for shipping ... :) |
| 03:54.14 | spradnyesh | abrotman: didn't get any results from apt-cache |
| 03:54.32 | jetscreamer | btw this box does about the same as a c2d e4300 with onboard intel agp |
| 03:54.35 | abrotman | maybe it's not packaged for debian |
| 03:54.37 | silensius | why i have somme applications in other languages under debian sid |
| 03:54.38 | jetscreamer | err intel onboard |
| 03:54.50 | jetscreamer | same in q4 |
| 03:54.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you got doom2.wad? |
| 03:54.54 | godling | dondelelcaro: Did you receive many donations at SCALE? |
| 03:54.58 | spradnyesh | abrotman: then what can i do? |
| 03:55.10 | jetscreamer | no i wan't into doom |
| 03:55.17 | Nyle | hah what a lamer |
| 03:55.28 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:55.30 | godling | dondelelcaro: and yes, I know the people at the Sun booth probably have little to do with their corporate policy but I was just making a show in front of the people I was with. ;P |
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| 03:55.53 | jetscreamer | i played q3 for about 3 years straight... and i mean if you add all the time up |
| 03:56.06 | abrotman | spradnyesh: make it yourself ? |
| 03:56.28 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I have no patience for games, and the only one that has patience for me is Elder Scrolls games |
| 03:56.35 | jetscreamer | i was so bored earlier i unpacked my id archive |
| 03:56.47 | jetscreamer | got it set up but didn't actually play it yet |
| 03:56.49 | _joey | zlib packages ...I can't find it! |
| 03:57.07 | jetscreamer | morrowind |
| 03:57.10 | Nyle | jetscreamer: oblivion |
| 03:57.22 | jetscreamer | i almost scammed that |
| 03:57.24 | Nyle | morrowind is good but way to buggy i couldn't handle all teh bugs |
| 03:57.28 | jetscreamer | i like mmorpg's if they're good |
| 03:57.36 | Nyle | i hate them |
| 03:57.39 | jetscreamer | but they get old |
| 03:57.39 | Nyle | sp ftw |
| 03:57.45 | jetscreamer | fps ftw |
| 03:57.54 | jetscreamer | nothing like killing real ppl |
| 03:58.06 | jetscreamer | vitrually of course :) |
| 03:58.18 | Nyle | ever played that arkhart game in deb |
| 03:58.39 | jetscreamer | most games in sources suck :o |
| 03:58.42 | Nyle | or that worldforge |
| 03:58.44 | jetscreamer | i tried most |
| 03:58.59 | jetscreamer | glest looked ok-ish |
| 03:59.21 | dondelelcaro | godling: a good number; pretty much the normal amount that we get for scale |
| 03:59.49 | Nyle | jetscreamer: have you ever played any muds |
| 03:59.58 | jetscreamer | back in the bbs days i did |
| 04:00.17 | godling | dondelelcaro: How much is that, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 04:00.25 | jetscreamer | i can't even remember any names |
| 04:00.39 | dondelelcaro | godling: I haven't counted it, actually. |
| 04:00.41 | godling | bbs names or names of people on the boards? |
| 04:00.44 | Nyle | I'm playing this one called Ansalon Mud |
| 04:00.49 | Nyle | its named on dragonlance |
| 04:00.53 | Nyle | based* |
| 04:00.58 | jetscreamer | then names of the muds on the bbs's |
| 04:01.08 | godling | LORD forever! |
| 04:01.10 | godling | ;P |
| 04:01.16 | Nyle | godling |
| 04:01.21 | jetscreamer | lord... i remember that it seems |
| 04:01.28 | Nyle | what is a ling? |
| 04:01.37 | jetscreamer | dragonlance i've heard of in books |
| 04:01.40 | godling | I first recognized my fetish for torso-less women in that game. |
| 04:01.48 | Nyle | o_O |
| 04:01.50 | jetscreamer | Nyle: like a manling |
| 04:02.02 | jetscreamer | if you're read lotr |
| 04:02.09 | Nyle | i don't care much for it |
| 04:02.17 | jetscreamer | the book |
| 04:02.17 | Nyle | I like dragonlance much more better |
| 04:02.21 | jetscreamer | not the movie :) |
| 04:02.25 | Nyle | my 2nd favorite is Shannara |
| 04:02.31 | jetscreamer | sword of |
| 04:02.32 | Nyle | terry brooks |
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| 04:02.36 | godling | You can read the LOTR movies? |
| 04:02.36 | Nyle | man you know what |
| 04:02.41 | Nyle | whats a good rpg making engine |
| 04:02.44 | jetscreamer | lol@godling |
| 04:03.00 | Nyle | I'm gonna make a friggin rpg |
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| 04:03.13 | godling | dondelelcaro: I'm just curious as to how supportive the SCALE community is to Debian, I suppose. |
| 04:03.14 | jetscreamer | seems to me i might have seen one in sources but maybe not |
| 04:03.15 | Nyle | 2d |
| 04:03.27 | Nyle | simple one |
| 04:03.58 | jetscreamer | i'm more of a mapper/modeler |
| 04:03.58 | Nyle | you know like a zelda type |
| 04:03.58 | jetscreamer | but a sucky one |
| 04:03.58 | jetscreamer | yeah i know |
| 04:03.58 | Nyle | seriously man I'm down with it |
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| 04:03.59 | godling | dondelelcaro: This was my first time at any kind of convention. What did you think of it? |
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| 04:04.18 | spradnyesh | abrotman: will i have to make the whole of apache with the module? or just the module can be built seperately? |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | spradnyesh: you'll have to read their docs |
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| 04:04.55 | dondelelcaro | godling: oh, scale is kind of small, but it's a much morecommunity oriented conference than others that you'll find. |
| 04:05.07 | spradnyesh | abrotman: thanks! |
| 04:05.14 | abrotman | i didn't do much |
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| 04:05.28 | dondelelcaro | I mean, it's one of the few conferences which is put on by a group of users who are directly interested in linux and the community. |
| 04:05.34 | godling | dondelelcaro: I liked it, apart from the blatant commercialism infused into some of the talks. |
| 04:05.45 | dondelelcaro | godling: that's actually pretty typical. |
| 04:06.09 | dondelelcaro | godling: generally they try to avoid having speakers do that (and speakers who do that sort of thing often tend not to get asked back) |
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| 04:07.29 | godling | I remember some shill from Motorola... man, that guy was such a panderer. |
| 04:07.54 | godling | dondelelcaro: The badge-scanning thing, is that normal for SCALE? |
| 04:08.03 | dondelelcaro | godling: that's normal for every conference |
| 04:08.07 | godling | wow |
| 04:08.24 | godling | I guess the sponsors want their demographic informations. |
| 04:08.32 | dondelelcaro | it's one of the reasons why I rarely have accurate information on my badge |
| 04:09.07 | godling | I got scanned once, when I got a octopus plushy. After that I stopped caring about the raffle. |
| 04:09.22 | godling | dondelelcaro: It's kind of spooky. |
| 04:09.56 | godling | ...and disheartening, knowing that without the sponsors' money there probably wouldn't be a successful convention. |
| 04:10.24 | dondelelcaro | godling: well, it's one of the things that sponsors want in exchange for swag. If you don't want swag, you don't really care. |
| 04:10.38 | godling | I guess you're right. |
| 04:10.47 | godling | Swag is overrated. |
| 04:11.02 | godling | At least they didn't scan me for my free beer. :D |
| 04:11.03 | jim | so my dell inspiron 5150 laptop has a ati radeon 7500 in it... the laptop has of course a display, but also a monitor connector on the back; I want to try to get the laptop to also send the display output to the monitor connector... any idea how that could be done? |
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| 04:11.39 | abrotman | jim: usually there's a bios option that has to be turned on first |
| 04:11.56 | jim | dang dang... I didn't find a bios option |
| 04:12.33 | jim | it's a dual boot, windows and linux |
| 04:12.42 | abrotman | jim: then try hitting the output button |
| 04:12.43 | nitrile | jim, try fn-f8 |
| 04:12.50 | godling | yeah |
| 04:13.08 | jim | ok |
| 04:13.11 | wfarr | Anyone in here using Romaine's emacs-snapshot? |
| 04:13.11 | godling | you may have to map it using xmodmap if it isn't already |
| 04:13.23 | godling | *isn't mapped |
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| 04:13.44 | jim | what about when I'm in a different vt? can this key be used to show the text console? |
| 04:13.55 | abrotman | jim: yes |
| 04:14.03 | jim | ok, checking... |
| 04:14.03 | dondelelcaro | jim: otherwise sometimes xrandr will do it, or you can set it in X server, or radeontool, or similar. |
| 04:14.08 | abrotman | jim: well .. on my laptop it can |
| 04:14.32 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it really depends on the hardware and the card, unfortunatly. |
| 04:15.27 | godling | oh that's interesting |
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| 04:15.44 | godling | my monitor is definitely picking up a signal but it's still blank. :D |
| 04:16.04 | dondelelcaro | godling: yeah, probably wrong resolution or refresh rates for it |
| 04:16.19 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, that whole bit of driver support is really crap. |
| 04:16.23 | godling | dondelelcaro: considering my monitor is a 19" widescreen, yeah. :) |
| 04:16.46 | godling | I figured something like that would probably happen |
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| 04:16.55 | jimm | it worked! |
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| 04:17.00 | chicong | I run eclipse gtk2 downloaded from eclipse.org,but error loading library libgtk-x11-2.0,could you help me?thank you |
| 04:17.05 | godling | booyah |
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| 04:19.11 | jimm | yeah, this is great... I got a projector a week or so ago |
| 04:19.16 | godling | nice |
| 04:19.18 | godling | what kind? |
| 04:19.34 | jimm | viewsonic pj558d |
| 04:19.47 | godling | If I could afford it I would have a projector instead of a television. |
| 04:20.03 | abrotman | projectors aren't that expensive anymore |
| 04:20.41 | jimm | well the dlp television ones have three separate dlp chips, one for each of rgb colors |
| 04:20.45 | godling | Sure, if you've got a spare trust fund or two lying around maybe. |
| 04:20.48 | pipeline | Good projectors are still as expensive as ever |
| 04:20.52 | pipeline | and consumables on a projector are brutal |
| 04:20.53 | jimm | and that's more expensive |
| 04:21.06 | jimm | consumables? |
| 04:21.12 | pipeline | a projector that's as good as a $500 TV is going to add at least one zero :P |
| 04:21.32 | pipeline | jimm: Front projection setups still use traditional lamps, which burn out pretty regularly. |
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| 04:22.12 | godling | abrotman: They are especially expensive if you're on a collegiate budget. :) |
| 04:22.21 | godling | I overspent when I bought this laptop. |
| 04:22.31 | abrotman | godling: i'm just saying they've gotten much better and cheaper in the last few years |
| 04:22.39 | godling | abrotman: Sure. |
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| 04:23.37 | shamrock | when using x forwarding how can i tell the remote machine to lower the color depth for my client? |
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| 04:24.39 | jimm | how are you defining "client" |
| 04:25.14 | Fare | how in the installer do I specify my colleagues' machine as the debian mirror? |
| 04:25.30 | shamrock | the client having the x-forwarding deliver to it of course. |
| 04:25.34 | abrotman | Fare: i believe it let's you manually specify a mirror |
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| 04:26.11 | abrotman | Fare: or .. just tell it to use the CD .. and after the install add his machine as a source |
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| 04:26.35 | htth | Can anyone here help me compile a modem driver? |
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| 04:27.10 | jetscreamer | -+i can't, but i did it once, it's not 'that' hard |
| 04:27.12 | Roman123 | Is there something like a standard port (>1024) for passive FTPS? |
| 04:27.22 | jetscreamer | htth: man m-a |
| 04:27.26 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 04:27.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 04:27.35 | jimm | htth: I'll help a little IF you stay in the drivers seat |
| 04:27.48 | htth | jetscreamer: It compiles the module, but it needs a sectable to set the port which wont compile |
| 04:28.12 | htth | jimm: : It compiles the module, but it needs a sectable to set the port which wont compile |
| 04:28.22 | htth | executable |
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| 04:29.06 | htth | This is the error - /tmp/ccXDGmzQ.s: Assembler messages: |
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| 04:29.13 | jimm | what operating system is this source for? most versions of linux I've seen use setserial to set the port and attributes |
| 04:29.16 | htth | one - /tmp/ccXDGmzQ.s:4852: Error: missing operand |
| 04:29.26 | htth | tmp/ccXDGmzQ.s:4865: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `movl |
| 04:29.35 | htth | make[1]: *** [main.o] Error 1 |
| 04:29.44 | htth | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
| 04:30.04 | jimm | the make errors are not relevent |
| 04:30.18 | htth | jimm: okay |
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| 04:30.56 | cizzi | when i run tiger, i get some warnings.. a whole bunch at the beginning saying that most of the system accounts have disabled accounts but a valid shell and suggests to change it to /bin/false, if I do that will it mess anything up? |
| 04:32.18 | jimm | what operating system is this source for? most versions of linux I've seen use setserial to set the port and attributes |
| 04:33.07 | Fare | Roman: normal port 21, and when you connect say PASV |
| 04:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizzi: maybe :) |
| 04:33.11 | dondelelcaro | jimm: apparently it is an operating system that shall not be named... |
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| 04:33.43 | jimm | of what use is an operating system they didn't even name?! |
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| 04:34.29 | cizzi | CutMeOwnThroat - by default there's no password assigned to those accounts in /etc/shadow, so how are they being used? |
| 04:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizzi: it's not unthinkable that something runs as root, then su-s into a passwordless account to run a shellscript there... (which would require a shell) |
| 04:34.34 | lostinfog | Is the AMD64 port pretty solid? |
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| 04:34.59 | jimm | it's ok, but some packages won't build, due to compiler bugs |
| 04:35.13 | cizzi | CutMeOwnThroat - by these accounts remaining passwordless should be fine then |
| 04:35.14 | wad | Hi, folks. I just re-arranged the drives in my debian box, and now it won't boot. It was configured to boot from sdb, but I've moved that to sda now. It finishes the bios screen, and says "error loading operating system". I booted to a Kubuntu boot disk, and I can mount sda and poke around on the file systm. I adjusted /etc/fstab but I think the problem is sooner than that. Is there something I should do in the boot directory? |
| 04:35.21 | lostinfog | does ia64 do any better? |
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| 04:35.45 | liable | wad: your menu.lst |
| 04:35.49 | jimm | ia64 is only for certain soecific machines |
| 04:35.56 | Noboru | hi guys. good afternoon. |
| 04:36.02 | wad | liable: ah, yes. I'll poke at that. Thanks! |
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| 04:36.18 | Noboru | may i ask, what is the correct instsall path for imagemagick ? |
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| 04:36.27 | Fare | does ia64 still exist??? |
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| 04:36.36 | liable | wad: you edit it temporarily at boot by pressing e at boot |
| 04:36.36 | Noboru | the programs need to know the install path of where imagemagick is. |
| 04:36.39 | abrotman | Fare: very much so |
| 04:36.46 | Fare | lostinfog, I use the amd64 port, no problem. |
| 04:36.48 | liable | then fix it once you boot the kernel |
| 04:36.49 | Noboru | i installed it as apt-get install imagemagick |
| 04:36.50 | nootoyahora | good night for everyone, my question a little bit off-topic, but I would like to know if there is some blue ray burner working under linux; is there anyone? |
| 04:37.03 | jimm | Noboru: imagemagick is available as a debian package |
| 04:37.07 | lostinfog | Getting ready to replace a 5 year old system |
| 04:37.12 | Fare | a few things don't work (flash, etc.) and you may want to keep a i386 install in a chroot |
| 04:37.21 | abrotman | flash works with nspluginwrapper |
| 04:37.24 | Noboru | jimm, yes,i have had it installed,but i need to know where its installed to ? |
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| 04:37.30 | lostinfog | AMD64 and Xeon EM64T are most likely processor choices |
| 04:37.37 | abrotman | same thing in linux |
| 04:37.50 | Fare | abrotman, intel still produces new ones? |
| 04:37.50 | jimm | Noboru: dpkg -L imagemagick |
| 04:38.01 | Fare | or is it for legacy machines |
| 04:38.16 | htth | jimm: crap, so powerpc is probably ot going to compile on? |
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| 04:39.06 | jimm | Noboru: you don't happen to play guitar do you? |
| 04:39.20 | Noboru | no.sorry. |
| 04:39.30 | jimm | oh ok |
| 04:39.37 | abrotman | Fare: http://www.intel.com/products/processor/itanium/index.htm?iid=servproc+body_itanium2badge |
| 04:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | cizzi: which of them do or don't, I don't know, though... - I see e.g. on my system that user no 2, "bin" has /bin/sh as root - and I think nothing ever runs as bin... while a lot of things run as "nobody" afaik, or also one could expect the user postgresql to need the shell... |
| 04:40.30 | cizzi | CutMeOwnThroat - allright I was just following the advice of tigexp <warningcode>, they suggsted to set them to /bin/false |
| 04:40.55 | Noboru | jimm, /usr/bin/convert ? |
| 04:40.58 | stylus | hello, how do i give myself access to /dev/null so that i don't need to sudo when doing ./configure etc.? |
| 04:42.44 | jimm | dang, cleared my irc buffer |
| 04:43.07 | simonrvn | stylus: what? |
| 04:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | stylus: you should have access to /dev/null |
| 04:43.20 | simonrvn | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2007-12-25 05:16 /dev/null |
| 04:43.55 | nootoyahora | good night for everyone, my question a little bit off-topic, but I would like to know if there is some blue ray burner working under linux; is there anyone? |
| 04:44.07 | jim | stylus: show output of ls -l /dev/null |
| 04:44.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: we read that 2 minutes ago |
| 04:44.17 | stylus | CutMeOwnThroat: ./configure: line 1: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 04:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: and still don't have an answer since then |
| 04:44.28 | stylus | jim: ok, wait a tick |
| 04:44.38 | simonrvn | hm, is jimm == jim on another client/machine? |
| 04:44.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | stylus: so what does ls -l /dev/null say? |
| 04:44.42 | Fare | I'm installing debian for my gf. What do I need to install to make her graphical interface experience pleasant? (with 256MB of RAM only) |
| 04:44.51 | jim | yes, that's my laptop |
| 04:44.56 | nootoyahora | CutMeOwnThroat, you know that everyone read me? did you make an poll? ;D |
| 04:45.13 | simonrvn | something light like openbox or fluxbox, plus maybe gnome-panel |
| 04:45.13 | stylus | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 3 Jul 13 2004 /dev/null |
| 04:45.20 | stylus | CutMeOwnThroat, jim ^ |
| 04:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: I know I did... and I know that people in here can read backlog |
| 04:45.28 | simonrvn | stylus: needs fixing ;) |
| 04:45.46 | simonrvn | should be 666 |
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| 04:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | stylus: amazing... how did you do that chmod a+w /dev/null |
| 04:45.53 | nootoyahora | CutMeOwnThroat, so you only can speak for yourself, right? |
| 04:45.59 | simonrvn | it's /dev/null ... |
| 04:46.07 | Fare | nootoyahora, can anyone ever do anything more than that? |
| 04:46.32 | stylus | simonrvn, so i should change it with chmod? |
| 04:46.35 | simonrvn | not like it was /root or something |
| 04:46.37 | jim | yes |
| 04:46.40 | simonrvn | stylus: of course |
| 04:46.45 | nootoyahora | Fare, yes of course, don't be a sophist please |
| 04:46.49 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, anyone know how a wireless ethernet bridge works? Does that have a wireless NIC on it? |
| 04:46.54 | stylus | ok thanks :) |
| 04:46.57 | Fare | CutMeOwnThroat, can anyone /bin/rm /dev/null ? |
| 04:47.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: and you can't know if I didn't use plural majestatis :-P - is it only me who thinks this discussion is a bit silly? As I said - ppl here are fully capable of scrolling up a bit |
| 04:47.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare: of course.. try it :) |
| 04:47.21 | simonrvn | Fare: probably not, as /dev is root:root 755 |
| 04:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Fare: only root, though, because the permissions of /dev decide that |
| 04:47.30 | jim | it'll screw ya if you do :) |
| 04:47.39 | jim | you'd have to remake it |
| 04:47.43 | htth | Can anyone help me change a makefile so it makes for a ppc arch rather than i386 |
| 04:47.49 | simonrvn | mknod ;) |
| 04:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: I didn't say it wouldn't :) |
| 04:48.06 | nootoyahora | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, is a bit silly, you've generated a lot more of oise in the SNR ratio of the channel ;D |
| 04:48.12 | simonrvn | i also try to find mksock since mknod doesn't do socket files |
| 04:48.12 | wad | liable: Okay, I fixed manu.lst. It now references /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sdb1. It still won't boot, however. It does refer to hd1 in several places, do I need to change that to be hd0? |
| 04:48.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: not me |
| 04:48.31 | simonrvn | (i.e. named fifos) |
| 04:48.50 | nootoyahora | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, you, or maybe when you talk you cannot be replied? |
| 04:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: mksock sounds like knitting, tho |
| 04:49.04 | liable | wad: yeah, check your device.map. what drive is grub on (the mbr) |
| 04:49.06 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: it does :) |
| 04:49.32 | wad | liable: Okay, checking it. |
| 04:49.45 | GhostlyDeath | What command gives me my processor and memory info? |
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| 04:50.05 | cizzi | top/free |
| 04:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: and... mknod does make sockets, I thought... |
| 04:50.15 | jim | cat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo |
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| 04:50.31 | wad | liable: So this box currently only have one drive: the first SATA device, found by /proc/partitions as sda. It's got normal partitions, sda1, etc. |
| 04:50.37 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: man mknod |
| 04:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: stop asking zen questions |
| 04:50.50 | liable | wad: ok, make the hd things hd0 |
| 04:51.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: was there... |
| 04:51.27 | nootoyahora | CutMeOwnThroat, stop complaining for nothing man, you're boring everyone |
| 04:51.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | nootoyahora: you are, so why don't you stop |
| 04:52.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | fyi |
| 04:52.29 | jim | you are! no I'm not! yes you are! no you're not! yes I am1 |
| 04:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jim: you forgot some 11111's there, though :) |
| 04:53.01 | nootoyahora | CutMeOwnThroat, ignore me, I would be so pleased man, you're going on complaining, when no one else did, maybe you were upsetted by me, but no anuy other one.. maybe you're wrong? |
| 04:55.06 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, me bad |
| 04:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: ? |
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| 04:55.52 | simonrvn | mknod doing sockets |
| 04:56.26 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, not the same file type: |
| 04:57.10 | simonrvn | "mknod foo.sock p": prw-r--r-- 1 simon users 0 2008-02-16 23:55 foo.sock| "mksock foo1.sock": srwxr-xr-x 1 simon users 0 2008-02-16 23:56 foo1.sock= |
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| 04:58.32 | Noboru | i still dont get where my imagemagick is installed to ,i need to know the correct path to tell vbulletin to use it. |
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| 04:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: what do you miss? you have the location of all files... what ELSE do you want :) |
| 04:59.17 | simonrvn | dpkg -L imagemagick |
| 04:59.17 | dpkg | No packages found matching imagemagick |
| 04:59.21 | liable | Noboru: imagemagick isnt a single program, its lots of different ones. dpkg -L imagemagick |
| 04:59.25 | simonrvn | dpkg: shaddup |
| 04:59.25 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 05:00.13 | Noboru | i did dpkg -L imagemagick, i have no idea which one to find. i need imagemagick to support thumbs pictures and waterprint. |
| 05:00.34 | liable | Noboru: /usr/bin |
| 05:00.47 | liable | thats the path |
| 05:00.56 | jetscreamer | |grep bin next time |
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| 05:02.33 | xlotlu | know of a hdd stress tester? |
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| 05:02.45 | Noboru | hmm |
| 05:03.07 | Noboru | liable, it doesnt work, by the way,do i have to do something in php.ini after its installed ? |
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| 05:03.33 | liable | no idea, read the vbullitin docs |
| 05:03.55 | liable | is vbullitin a debian package? |
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| 05:04.50 | Noboru | it is a popular php forum. |
| 05:05.18 | Noboru | i have once had it set correctly,forgot to make a note :( |
| 05:05.18 | Rusty1 | apt-file list imagemagick FWIW |
| 05:05.42 | wad | liable: Okay, that stuff didn't do the trick. It's failing immediately after BIOS post, with "Error loading operating system" |
| 05:05.54 | wad | I think it's a disk partitioning change I need. |
| 05:06.05 | wad | I'm not sure how the MBR works... how do I chech it? |
| 05:06.06 | Noboru | apt-file,command not found. |
| 05:06.09 | wad | I'm ssh'd into it now. |
| 05:06.11 | liable | wad: that means bios isnt reading your disk. is grub installed to the mbr of that drive? |
| 05:06.24 | wad | liable: That's what I think the problem is. How do I tell? |
| 05:06.36 | liable | wad: just reinstall it to make sure |
| 05:06.51 | wad | liable: That's not really a good option... can't I use fdisk or something? |
| 05:07.01 | liable | wad: did you have the other drive still in before when you were getting kernel errors? |
| 05:07.09 | liable | wad: no |
| 05:07.19 | wad | I haven't gotten any kernel errors... have I? |
| 05:07.27 | jetscreamer | !apt0file |
| 05:07.32 | jetscreamer | !apt-file |
| 05:07.32 | dpkg | apt-file is probably a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
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| 05:07.46 | jetscreamer | wrong factoid |
| 05:07.51 | jetscreamer | !install |
| 05:07.51 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 05:07.55 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 05:08.09 | jetscreamer | wrong factoid again |
| 05:08.14 | liable | wad: oh, no you didn't. my bad. just put the kubuntu disk in and chroot to your debian, and run grub-install |
| 05:08.23 | wad | ah, okay. |
| 05:08.32 | jetscreamer | not 'just' |
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| 05:08.38 | jetscreamer | mount /proc and stuff |
| 05:08.43 | jetscreamer | i forget the exact things |
| 05:08.48 | theLichKing | !ubuntu > theLichKing |
| 05:09.01 | jetscreamer | worng bot |
| 05:09.06 | theLichKing | opps |
| 05:09.12 | jetscreamer | !tell theLichKing -about ubuntu |
| 05:09.27 | theLichKing | thanks |
| 05:09.36 | jetscreamer | you can /msg the_bot also |
| 05:09.44 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg help |
| 05:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: hehe... just tell us when you're through all the factoids, right? |
| 05:09.48 | theLichKing | i wanted to know why that thing says ubuntu won't live up to debian's standards |
| 05:10.06 | jetscreamer | it adheres to different standards |
| 05:10.20 | jetscreamer | hence you need to get support from where it comes from |
| 05:11.37 | Noboru | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 05:11.42 | Noboru | liable, so here http://ja.pastebin.ca/907045 |
| 05:12.34 | liable | Noboru: yes i know, and all the binaries are in /usr/bin .. |
| 05:13.11 | Noboru | i googled. If ImageMagick is installed on your system and you want to use it, you need to input the full path to the 'convert' program below. On Windows the path should look like 'c:/ImageMagick/' (use / not \ in the path) and should not contain any space, on Unix is it something like '/usr/bin/X11/'. |
| 05:13.32 | liable | Noboru: /usr/bin/convert |
| 05:13.40 | Noboru | wait. |
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| 05:14.05 | die7 | hi all |
| 05:14.06 | wad | liable: Hmm... I chrooted just fine, but "grub-install /dev/sda1" results in a strange message: "/dev/sdb1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.". Notice that the message refers to /dev/sdb1, when I specified /dev/sda1! Strange! |
| 05:14.26 | wad | I rubbed my eyes after that one appeared. :) |
| 05:14.52 | liable | wad: did you mount /proc ? |
| 05:14.54 | Noboru | no luck tried /usr/bin/convert/ and /usr/bin/convert |
| 05:14.55 | jetscreamer | i told you about the mounting of /proc et al |
| 05:15.01 | die7 | what gives grub-install /device/sdX -recheck |
| 05:15.03 | liable | wad: i think its taking that from device.map |
| 05:15.06 | jetscreamer | but it'snot 'just' that |
| 05:15.26 | jetscreamer | you do some mount /proc --remount blah blah |
| 05:15.33 | wad | Oooh... okay. |
| 05:15.37 | jetscreamer | and then there's something you do before you chroot in iirc |
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| 05:15.50 | jetscreamer | but like i said, i forget |
| 05:15.55 | jetscreamer | somebody knows, though |
| 05:16.35 | jetscreamer | wonder if i saved my logs |
| 05:16.57 | jimm | knowbody sums |
| 05:16.58 | jetscreamer | nope |
| 05:17.16 | dga | i am having this error when i install g++ in debian stable: The following packages have unmet dependencies: g++: Depends: g++-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages. anyone know whats wrong? |
| 05:17.32 | jetscreamer | try aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:17.45 | jetscreamer | then try apt-get -f install if that doesn't work |
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| 05:18.35 | jetscreamer | and if all that doesn't work, ask again or /msg dpkg fix-unmet |
| 05:18.36 | dga | i get the same message |
| 05:18.39 | dga | ok |
| 05:18.42 | wad | Hmm... device.map has an erroneous entry for /dev/sdb1 in it. I took it out, but it seems that it's still in memory. Is there a way to make it reload that? |
| 05:18.51 | Noboru | liable, says i need to install GhostScript for it. i searched there is gsfonts and gsfonts-x11,wonder what to install ? |
| 05:18.52 | wad | Or do I just need to reboot? |
| 05:19.05 | jetscreamer | wad: you need to figure out wtf i was talking about and do it |
| 05:19.15 | wad | heh |
| 05:19.26 | wad | Mounting /proc? |
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| 05:19.37 | jetscreamer | but it's some --remount iirc |
| 05:19.40 | jetscreamer | of /proc |
| 05:19.46 | jetscreamer | and you do something else... |
| 05:19.47 | wad | Ah, okay. I'll give it a shot. |
| 05:19.58 | jetscreamer | or |
| 05:20.07 | jetscreamer | it might have been a --bind |
| 05:20.11 | nootoyahora | good night for everyone, my question a little bit off-topic, but I would like to know if there is some blue ray burner working under linux; is there anyone? |
| 05:20.12 | aMoRPHeouS | compiz-manager for Lenny? |
| 05:20.46 | jetscreamer | ah.. maybe it was mount --bind /chroottarget/proc ... or hell i dunno |
| 05:20.55 | dga | grr |
| 05:21.01 | wad | ah, okay. I think I understand what you're getting at. |
| 05:24.13 | dga | i wonder what i am doing wrong |
| 05:24.15 | Nyle | jetscreamer: screamer of the jet |
| 05:24.17 | Noboru | -bash: ghostscript: command not found |
| 05:24.21 | Nyle | wad: where's all the data? |
| 05:24.23 | Noboru | any idea ? |
| 05:24.27 | Nyle | install ghostscript |
| 05:24.59 | Noboru | E: Couldn't find package ghostscript |
| 05:25.00 | jetscreamer | dga: you did all that as root eh |
| 05:25.04 | dga | yes |
| 05:25.26 | jetscreamer | paste your sources i guess, your command, and the error msg |
| 05:25.28 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 05:25.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 05:26.46 | Seldaek | can I run a shell script as a new "shell thread" ? I'm starting a console app through CLI and then I'm stuck in it I can't use the shell anymore |
| 05:26.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell Noboru -about search |
| 05:26.52 | Noboru | i dont know which one to select to install for supporting ghostscript |
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| 05:27.01 | dga | http://paste.debian.net/49321 |
| 05:27.02 | jetscreamer | dga: what happens if you do aptitude install build-essential |
| 05:27.14 | dga | i get the same error plus an additional one |
| 05:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: gs-epf, gs-apfl or gs-gpl - and the command is "gs" not "ghostscript" and you probably have it installed already |
| 05:27.51 | jetscreamer | !info g++-4.1 etch |
| 05:28.11 | Noboru | Cueball|Laptop, -bash: gs: command not found |
| 05:28.13 | jetscreamer | add the package it's bitching about manually |
| 05:28.28 | jetscreamer | to your install command |
| 05:28.29 | dga | oh i just did aptitude buildessential and it downgraded libc6 and it worked |
| 05:28.41 | jetscreamer | how exciting |
| 05:28.53 | dga | not sure why i needed to downgrade |
| 05:28.58 | dpkg | g++-4.1: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.1.1-21 (etch), Packaged size: 2553 kB, Installed size: 5600 kB |
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| 05:29.51 | jetscreamer | g++: Depends: g++-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) |
| 05:29.53 | Noboru | hmm |
| 05:30.05 | jetscreamer | . Version: 4.1.1-21 (etch) |
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| 05:30.34 | jetscreamer | oops |
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| 05:30.43 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, which one ? gs-epf ,gs-apfl ,gs-gpl ? |
| 05:30.52 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 05:30.52 | dpkg | jetscreamer: :) |
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| 05:31.19 | dga | jetscreamer: any idea on what i might have done wrong before? |
| 05:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: any one |
| 05:31.24 | jetscreamer | Noboru: do apt-cache show on each one and choose |
| 05:31.50 | jetscreamer | dga: somehow gotten a more advanced libc6 than you should i guess |
| 05:32.02 | kulk | helo debian |
| 05:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | where? |
| 05:32.23 | jetscreamer | helo the toaster lover? |
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| 05:35.20 | liable | wad: if i remember correctly, on those live cd's you dont even need to chroot |
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| 05:36.31 | jetscreamer | i never could remember wtf to do, and was too lazy to write it down. easier just to boot it manually with a grub shell |
| 05:36.50 | jetscreamer | or, with grubshell |
| 05:36.54 | jetscreamer | whichever is correct |
| 05:37.22 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 05:37.30 | jetscreamer | i want dosshell for linux |
| 05:37.40 | jetscreamer | that was a kick ass file manager |
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| 05:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: I wonder if a socket without a process using it would make sense at all...the way I imagine it, a process makes the socket (and has it open), then forks and so both have access... - I notice though, that I'm quite a bit hazy on that subject |
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| 05:46.38 | voltagex | I'm sorry I ever left debian...go nowhere after 12 hours of messing with gentoo |
| 05:46.49 | amphi | haha |
| 05:47.20 | maelstrom | did you not know gentoo was like that ? |
| 05:47.35 | voltagex | maelstrom: the odd thing was it was a problem with grub |
| 05:47.56 | voltagex | ans it appears to have nuked my xp install that I need for work tomorow :/ |
| 05:48.17 | maelstrom | that's pretty irresponsible |
| 05:48.27 | voltagex | BSOD on boot |
| 05:48.34 | voltagex | I guess I can work in debian...maybe |
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| 05:49.32 | Noboru | very strange, i dont find imagemick in phpinfo |
| 05:49.44 | Noboru | imagemagick |
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| 05:51.16 | maelstrom | what is the difference between firefox and "iceweasel" besides name & art ? anything ? |
| 05:51.43 | Galaxor | Hi. I've got two ip addresses. I put one on eth0 and the other on eth0:alt. I find that when I cause traffic to ip address A (the address of eth0), it actually goes through lo. That is as I expect. But when I try to send traffic to the address of eth0:alt, traffic does not go through lo, or eth0:alt, or anything. What's up with that? Is there a way to fix that? |
| 05:51.51 | Galaxor | maelstrom: Nothing. |
| 05:52.16 | Galaxor | maelstrom: It's just because the Mozilla Foundation wanted to protect the trademark on the name & art. |
| 05:52.24 | Galaxor | maelstrom: So those aren't freely redistributable. |
| 05:52.27 | voltagex | maelstrom: who's irresponsible? me or gentoo? |
| 05:52.44 | maelstrom | irresponsible to screw around with a machine you need for work tomorrow |
| 05:53.04 | voltagex | maelstrom: I've done hundreds of linux installs on this box |
| 05:53.11 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i use it because sometimes i find the need to create that file ahead of time, to be used by a process, since that particular functionality is "an add-on", and not all do, esp. if it's just a script |
| 05:53.24 | maelstrom | so hopefully you've learned by now that crazy stuff like the above can and will happen without notice |
| 05:53.42 | voltagex | maelstrom: I |
| 05:54.01 | voltagex | maelstrom: I've formatted my xp partition by mistake once but never got a bluescreen like this |
| 05:54.59 | simonrvn | !why iceweasel |
| 05:54.59 | dpkg | Why iceweasel? Debian cannot comply with the conditions necessary to distribute firefox and call it firefox, so we have changed the name to iceweasel. See http://bugs.debian.org/354622 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_between_Debian_and_Mozilla for more information. |
| 05:55.37 | maelstrom | well i was already familiar with that. just wondering if debian took any other liberties with their forked product |
| 05:56.33 | Galaxor | I even set up a special route specifically for my ip address to go through eth0:alt |
| 05:56.38 | Galaxor | Still no luck. |
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| 05:59.12 | Galaxor | Hm. Actually, although I typed route add my.alt.ip.address eth0:alt, the routing table says eth0, not eth0:alt. And my requests seem to go out through lo, and my servers don't respond. |
| 05:59.26 | Noboru | Hello, i have fixed imagemagick problem by MYsELF :D |
| 05:59.49 | Noboru | but thanks for all who were trying to help me,actually 'google' told the last resolution. |
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| 06:01.06 | snewp | just installed debian and i have 2 websites to be hosted on the box .. where can i put the virtualhost? in the sites-enabled or sites-available ? |
| 06:01.13 | Noboru | Debian is very COOL |
| 06:01.48 | liable | snewp: sites available, then you need to enable it.. |
| 06:01.57 | Noboru | in debian, imagemagick works great along with watermark feature ,cuz i googled,this feature is very complicated to confige on non linux platform or/and on other linux platforms haha. |
| 06:02.28 | Noboru | liable, Thank You. |
| 06:02.28 | Galaxor | Of course, when I access the servers on the alt ip address from any other machine on the internet, they go through eth0:alt, and the servers respond. |
| 06:02.42 | snewp | thanks liable |
| 06:02.57 | liable | np |
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| 06:03.15 | liable | man apache2ctl |
| 06:03.15 | snewp | liable, btw, where can i enable it ? a2enmod? |
| 06:04.20 | Galaxor | Hm. /proc/net/aliases doesn't exist. Do I not have some kernel option enabled? |
| 06:04.21 | liable | actually its a2ensite |
| 06:04.43 | snewp | ow got it :) |
| 06:05.20 | Galaxor | Oh well. |
| 06:05.21 | voltagex | debian isn't detecting all y partitions |
| 06:05.25 | voltagex | my* |
| 06:05.35 | voltagex | any ideas how to get it to detect all of them? |
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| 06:08.37 | Malf | voltagex: What exactly do you mean by not detecting? |
| 06:09.14 | voltagex | Malf: it's seeing sdb and sdc as sda and sdb, and the real sda is nowhere to be seen |
| 06:09.39 | die7 | dmesg | grep sda |
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| 06:10.10 | voltagex | die7: will do, just reset the bios to see if that helps |
| 06:10.59 | die7 | i dont think it's comming from bios |
| 06:11.04 | die7 | sry for my bad eng |
| 06:11.37 | voltagex | hda: lost interrupt |
| 06:11.46 | voltagex | don't know why it's talking about hda |
| 06:11.53 | voltagex | I don't have a hda |
| 06:12.13 | die7 | you don't have ide hdd |
| 06:12.18 | voltagex | no |
| 06:12.20 | voltagex | sata |
| 06:12.22 | die7 | hm |
| 06:12.43 | die7 | wich version of debian 4.1? |
| 06:12.57 | voltagex | r2 business card |
| 06:13.02 | die7 | and kernel? |
| 06:13.05 | voltagex | I am only setting up a minimal |
| 06:13.09 | voltagex | 2.6 I think |
| 06:13.28 | die7 | give pastebin of fstab |
| 06:13.52 | Malf | voltagex: Could you check if it's like 2.6.18 or later? |
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| 06:14.03 | die7 | and dmesg | grep sd |
| 06:14.05 | voltagex | die7: this is the business card CD |
| 06:14.30 | voltagex | Malf: 2.6.18-5-486 |
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| 06:14.32 | die7 | also fdisk -l /dev/sda ,sdb |
| 06:14.35 | Malf | k |
| 06:14.43 | die7 | wait |
| 06:15.04 | die7 | u mean u running from live cd |
| 06:15.10 | voltagex | no, install CD |
| 06:16.07 | die7 | friend use net install cd |
| 06:16.26 | voltagex | ? |
| 06:16.58 | die7 | i think on the business CD is 2.4 kernel |
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| 06:17.14 | voltagex | either my drive or the sata controller is dying/dead |
| 06:17.23 | die7 | maybe |
| 06:17.59 | voltagex | br\ecause it didn't post that time |
| 06:18.03 | voltagex | that's bad |
| 06:18.11 | voltagex | my backup usually happens tonight :/ |
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| 06:18.45 | die7 | i never installed from BCD so i cann not say |
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| 06:19.28 | jw | Does anyone know how to make sure that pure-ftpd support is enabled in fail2ban? The package comes with the service description file but I'm not convinced it's enabled |
| 06:19.37 | jw | I'm not sure how to check though |
| 06:20.26 | voltagex | WHOA.. debian has a GUI intaller now? |
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| 06:20.46 | die7 | hehe yes |
| 06:21.07 | die7 | also installer from windows |
| 06:21.33 | voltagex | what? how does that work? |
| 06:22.03 | die7 | heheh it'w |
| 06:22.12 | die7 | *it's work friend |
| 06:22.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: log in 5 times with the wrong pwd? :) |
| 06:22.34 | Malf | I was about to say the same |
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| 06:22.41 | JW | CutMeOwnThroat: heh yeah I guess I could :-D |
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| 06:22.50 | die7 | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/screenshots/ |
| 06:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | JW: if you're locked out, it works *g* |
| 06:22.57 | snewp | i have this error in apache error.log: File does not exist: /var/www/wp-content, referer: http://www.domain.org/ |
| 06:23.00 | meeero | i'd need to replace every third occurance of a string in e.g. vi, is that possible? |
| 06:23.10 | JW | I'm confused because several other things has entries in the jail.conf in addition to files in te services directory |
| 06:23.22 | Malf | meeero: sure |
| 06:23.34 | Malf | meeero: It may not be pretty though. |
| 06:23.55 | meeero | but how? i just googled for about 20min, found several possible solutions, but i just didn't make it |
| 06:24.43 | Malf | meeero: so you have a big document with some phrase and every time you find it 3 times in a row (with whatever else in between) you want to replace only the third instance right? |
| 06:24.45 | die7 | voltagex: welcome to debian |
| 06:25.01 | die7 | ;) |
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| 06:25.33 | meeero | i've got 25 000 lines - every 3 lines the same content. now i need to replace in the 1. of these 3 lines something, something else in the second and again something else in the third |
| 06:25.44 | meeero | got it |
| 06:25.45 | meeero | ? |
| 06:26.34 | Noboru | hi CutMeOwnThroat ,are you still there ? |
| 06:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: no |
| 06:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 06:27.17 | Noboru | may i ask ? i am very upset, i thought i have set KeepAlive as Off a long time ago but i was just rechecking phpinfo,says its set On |
| 06:27.23 | die7 | voltagex: installer in windowez adding debian to mbr entry (and net install image) after reboot i you chose debian installation started |
| 06:28.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: a macro would do it... |
| 06:28.31 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, i set it to Off in /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf,under the prefork block which im using, also i have tried to set it to Off in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf,both not work |
| 06:28.57 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, someone told me if i have set it up in a Ifdefine block,i said no. |
| 06:29.05 | Noboru | any tips ? |
| 06:29.32 | Noboru | in phpinfo,it says KeepAlive On |
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| 06:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/httpd? |
| 06:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, no idea |
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| 06:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | what webserver is that? |
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| 06:30.30 | Noboru | a colocations erver |
| 06:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only know keepAlive from the browser side |
| 06:31.16 | Noboru | hmm |
| 06:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant what is it... I only ever used apache extensively |
| 06:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and in debian, everything for that resides in /etc/apache |
| 06:33.13 | Malf | meero: something like this would find the third instance of some phrase and replace it every third time. |
| 06:33.22 | Malf | meeero: %s/\(\_.\{-}some phrase\_.\{-}some phrase\_.\{-}\)some phrase/\1replacement/g |
| 06:34.18 | Malf | meeero: Or are you looking to do something that says, do this replacement but only on lines 1,4,7,10,etc. |
| 06:34.29 | Malf | meeero: Then replace something else on 2,5,8,11,etc. |
| 06:34.33 | Malf | meeero: ? |
| 06:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's how I understood it |
| 06:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, now that I read it again - if there is different content in line 1, 2 and 3 (and then it repeats all over), a simple sed (or the vi equivalent) would do it |
| 06:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | assuming, that whatever is replaced in line 1 isn't in line 2 and 3 |
| 06:35.58 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, huh |
| 06:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: that guessing game is useless... paste an example in a pastebin |
| 06:36.29 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, in /etc/apach2/apache2.conf i set it to Off, restarted httpd,still phpinfo reports its On |
| 06:36.47 | meeero | Malf: check your private-messages |
| 06:37.09 | Malf | meeero: I don't see any for some reason |
| 06:37.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | use a pastebin |
| 06:37.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pastebin |
| 06:37.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 06:37.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Malf: guess he's not registered |
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| 06:38.08 | shyam_k | how can i add more libraries to devhelp? |
| 06:38.34 | meeero | http://pastebin.ca/907095 |
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| 06:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: sed 's/1,/1,/;n;s/1,/2,/;n;s/1,/3,/' |
| 06:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: for your example |
| 06:43.11 | meeero | how do i enter that in vi? /sed 's/1,/1,/;n;s/1,/2,/;n;s/1,/3,/' ..doesn't work |
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| 06:44.36 | jeylm | http://chosee-city.myminicity.com/ |
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| 06:46.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: not vi, command line |
| 06:46.28 | Malf | meero: %!sed 's/1,/1,/;n;s/1,/2,/;n;s/1,/3,/' |
| 06:46.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: sed is better for 25000 lines than vi |
| 06:46.42 | Malf | meeero: I keep missing an e in your name... But yeah |
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| 06:47.28 | Malf | meeero: From the command-line is best. If you have to do it from vi, what I said above will call out to the command line with the text in vi and bring the parsed data back into vi. |
| 06:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | meeero: and of coursre, it only works, if the "1," is the 1st occurance in the line... |
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| 06:48.05 | meeero | coool, that worked :> thank you very much |
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| 06:50.27 | mrtelepho | anyone have a problem with dansguardian taking forever to load? |
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| 06:50.43 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, i fixed it |
| 06:50.58 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, there is another conf file in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-default.conf |
| 06:51.09 | Noboru | i set it to Off,restarted httpd,it works |
| 06:51.23 | Malf | I must admit I love how cryptic regex gets to looking in vi sometimes. |
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| 06:51.38 | Noboru | but in that file there is a line on top read as This configuration file reflects default settings for Apache HTTP Server. |
| 06:51.51 | Noboru | what does that 'reflect' mean ? |
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| 06:52.01 | Noboru | affect ? |
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| 06:52.32 | Malf | Noboru: It's basically saying it contains the default settings. |
| 06:53.15 | mrtelepho | http traffic is a killer :( |
| 06:53.32 | Noboru | Malf, se right now phpinfo reports KeepAlive is Off,so it is really Off ? |
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| 06:54.10 | Malf | Malf: If it says it's off it's probably off. |
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| 06:54.13 | Malf | wow I'm dumb |
| 06:54.17 | Malf | lets try that again.. |
| 06:54.21 | Malf | Noboru: If it says it's off it's probably off. |
| 06:55.13 | Noboru | ok |
| 06:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: I don't have /etc/httpd/conf/httpd-default.conf |
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| 06:55.49 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, i have it. hmm forget it,i use a panel to maintain vhost,maybe that is how it came from.thanks. |
| 06:56.18 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry,i mean in /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-default.conf |
| 06:56.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets say that differently: I don't have /etc/httpd/ |
| 06:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Noboru: and reflect means they just put into that file what would be the default anyways |
| 06:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you just remove any line from that file or comment it, nothing changes |
| 06:58.21 | Noboru | but after i do that,phpinfo reports differently. |
| 06:58.52 | Noboru | for example i set KeepAlive from On to Off in that file,restarted httpd, phpinfo reports from On to Off. |
| 06:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | what they say is, that that config file is just for your reference - they didn't configure the hell outta it, they just put in the default settings so you can see what is defined and change it |
| 06:59.42 | Noboru | CutMeOwnThroat, so the changes i made in that file is a global ? |
| 07:00.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | "a global"? |
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| 07:02.07 | Noboru | a global setting file for apache2 |
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| 07:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems so |
| 07:03.08 | puff | How do I use xargs to specify an argument in the middle of a command? e.g. if I want to use xargs to feed a list of files into a "mv xargsfile /somedir" |
| 07:03.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know what you mean with "global" still, but yes |
| 07:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | xargs -i '{}' |
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| 07:08.38 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, so like: ls | xargs -i '{}' mv '{}' /somedir |
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| 07:09.26 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: The use of {} is a little odd/ambiguous, since punctuation usually denotes some special meaning in shell commands, but it looks like, from the xargs man page, {} is just a string literal. |
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| 07:09.53 | jdrake | I have followed the instructions given by dpkg to update to lenny. But right after things are downloaded with dist-upgrade, it says 'internal error, could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata'. It seems to be mentione here: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/2db85e29961c791e but without any solution that I see. Any ideas? |
| 07:09.57 | simonrvn | it's special in zsh if you enable an option |
| 07:10.11 | simonrvn | {} |
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| 07:10.58 | beoba | hi, im attempting to install nvidia 3d drivers ("nvidia-kernel-source") on a "testing" machine, and noticed that while this package is available for both stable and unstable, it isnt available for testing |
| 07:11.06 | beoba | what should i do now? |
| 07:12.51 | die7 | meero: |
| 07:13.03 | die7 | still there |
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| 07:13.25 | puff | One of the other admins on this box installed xmlstarlet and it uninstalled mailman, for some reason. And now mailman won't install unless I clear out the /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/shunt directory. But, of course, the mailman scripts for doing so... aren't here now. |
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| 07:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff: without the 1st {} |
| 07:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff: "punctuation" you mean the brackets... yes, that's why they must be scaped |
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| 07:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls | xargs -i mv '{}' /somedir |
| 07:18.33 | snewp | i'm using the default configuration of apache but it seems it takes sometime to load .. something that i missed ? |
| 07:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | also possible are things like |
| 07:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls | xargs -i mv '{}' '{}'.old |
| 07:19.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | "takes sometime to load "? |
| 07:20.00 | beoba | okay, looks like the official nvidia package wont work either |
| 07:20.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | are we talking milliseconds here? seconds? months? years? |
| 07:20.06 | beoba | as "The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler (gcc 4.2)." |
| 07:20.17 | beoba | CutMeOwnThroat: 4 hours 3 seconds |
| 07:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba: how do you know? |
| 07:20.33 | beoba | CutMeOwnThroat: i am your computer |
| 07:20.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba: it's not on my computer |
| 07:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba: use gcc-4.1, then... |
| 07:20.54 | beoba | CutMeOwnThroat: you are interfacing it using your computer |
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| 07:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba: you are hallucinating... eat&drink or take a nap - depending on the cause of the hallucinations |
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| 07:21.46 | beoba | I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR INSOLENCE |
| 07:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:22.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | then don't use gcc-4.1 |
| 07:22.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry to have suggested it |
| 07:22.45 | beoba | oh i was on the "i am your computer" thread there |
| 07:23.01 | beoba | it looks like 4.1 is installed, but /usr/bin/gcc was linking to gcc-4.2 |
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| 07:23.08 | beoba | so ive temporarily switched the symlink, gonna try again |
| 07:23.10 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: Cool, that worked fine. |
| 07:24.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | beoba: you can just do GCC=/path/to/gcc-4.1 command (supposing make honours GCC environment-var, which it normally does) |
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| 07:24.15 | beoba | but that'd require thought! pfft |
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| 07:25.22 | beoba | looks like the symlink did it |
| 07:25.23 | beoba | hooray |
| 07:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer everyone |
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| 07:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 07:27.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | CC |
| 07:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean - maybe CC, not GCC |
| 07:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 07:28.10 | arubin | dkr: Optimator is good |
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| 07:29.06 | maelstrom | good news everyone, i'm leaving debian on my syste |
| 07:29.09 | maelstrom | *system |
| 07:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | arubin: ? is that an answer to something? |
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| 07:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it? |
| 07:30.09 | wols | maelstrom: how is that good news? |
| 07:30.27 | arubin | [01:25] * dpkg pours a pint of Spaten Optimator for everyone |
| 07:30.27 | maelstrom | are you suggesting it is not ? |
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| 07:30.37 | wols | depends for whom |
| 07:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he'll open a warez server on it and we can all leech the loads of warez that exist for debian? |
| 07:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmmm... |
| 07:31.08 | maelstrom | i have used fedora for almost 2 yrs, i installed debian just to see what it was like and it runs pretty well so i have decided to stick with it until fedora 9 is released, at which point i will reevaluate |
| 07:31.35 | wols | I'm sure it's good for you, but I dunno if it is for debian |
| 07:31.51 | die7 | hahah gooodd |
| 07:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or me, for that matter |
| 07:32.11 | maelstrom | every general-purpose linux distro should want as many users as possible |
| 07:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps... I on the other hand don't want as many users as possible for the distribution that I use |
| 07:33.43 | die7 | maelstrom: it's just a joke |
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| 07:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: it is?! |
| 07:34.27 | die7 | i hope |
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| 07:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: ok... I'm laughing like hell... ... ... deep deep inside.... |
| 07:35.27 | die7 | nice |
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| 07:35.48 | maelstrom | that's another reason it is good news i'm using debian =) |
| 07:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was serious about the statement that I don't want as many users as possible for the distro I am using, though |
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| 07:36.52 | die7 | your Statement is just subjective an nonproductiv |
| 07:37.00 | maelstrom | a large portion of linux users unfortunately are anti-social smart asses ... luckily i am not ... so for a couple of windows users i will be the example of a person using debian instead of that bozo |
| 07:37.26 | die7 | correct |
| 07:37.55 | die7 | smart asses over all |
| 07:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: how could it be considered not subjective when I express what I feel? and why is it not productive? what should it produce?! |
| 07:38.43 | die7 | new users and greater community |
| 07:39.19 | die7 | your expresion is against new users and beginners |
| 07:39.35 | die7 | shame you mr.president :) |
| 07:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but "as many users as possible" means that a lot of clueless people burst in - and whenever I google for the solution I will find 100 threads which start out with the problem I have, but that dwindle away in discussions about the useage of "ls" and how difficult it is to use the commandline |
| 07:40.11 | puff | maelstrom: Hi. |
| 07:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't say I am against new users - just not "as many as possible" - definitely not |
| 07:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | or someone sais "I got this problems" and 20 people answer AOL |
| 07:41.07 | die7 | pls, don't use democracy to say all you wont say |
| 07:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | in English? |
| 07:41.40 | maelstrom | CutMeOwnThroat, i see that as a very small price to pay for the benefits of having the largest hardware manufacturers and developers concentrate a lot more on developing for your distro knowing how many people use it |
| 07:41.47 | die7 | in deutsch,cez,bosnian |
| 07:42.26 | puff | It's a tricky problem to negotiate, no doubt... I'm still getting over september, 1995. |
| 07:42.26 | die7 | grammar is just for ppl they don't understound any other lang |
| 07:42.50 | puff | Er, 1993. |
| 07:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: I asked YOU to phrase your _sentence_ in English... |
| 07:43.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: "syntax error" |
| 07:43.12 | die7 | Cut, cut off dude |
| 07:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | maelstrom: that is an advantage... but not necessarily by distro |
| 07:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially I don't want all windows-user to suddenly change to linux... the problem is that computers are no telephones |
| 07:46.31 | maelstrom | i wasn't aware debian attracted many noobs, i figured they'd gravitate towards ubuntu |
| 07:46.34 | puff | Any time an influx of new people into a culture overwhelms the existing culture's capacity for acculturation, things change, and often not for the better. |
| 07:46.35 | maelstrom | unless you consider me a noob |
| 07:46.53 | puff | maelstrom: They do tend towards ubuntu, these days. |
| 07:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, really? |
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| 07:47.19 | puff | maelstrom: The problem is, the debian core crowd tends to be comprised even less noob-friendly types, sysadmins :-). |
| 07:47.34 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: Was that to me? |
| 07:47.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes :) |
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| 07:48.01 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, based on my anecdotal data, most of the new linux users I've seen lately are trying out ubuntu. |
| 07:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought they'd be more towards... dunno preinstalled lindows or suse or redhat or somesuch |
| 07:48.07 | puff | Which is a step up from redhat, at least. |
| 07:48.12 | maelstrom | seems like that would be a very short solution to any windows converts who struggle with using the comand line in debian. "install ubuntu instead" |
| 07:48.16 | puff | No, ubuntu gets a lot more press. |
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| 07:48.20 | die7 | Cutyboy is a geek |
| 07:48.30 | puff | Before ubuntu, redhat was the biggie. |
| 07:48.46 | die7 | hardcore user i guess |
| 07:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | right, I'm a geek..... ha ha |
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| 07:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: ever helped a friend with his computer problem? |
| 07:49.34 | puff | I can't really wear my "got root?" t-shirt anymore... sigh. |
| 07:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | puff: grown out of it? :) |
| 07:49.56 | die7 | dude, im BSc |
| 07:50.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | BSE? |
| 07:50.30 | die7 | hehe u know anything |
| 07:50.39 | die7 | B.Sc is degree |
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| 07:50.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean... like Celsius? |
| 07:50.55 | die7 | ccc s |
| 07:50.56 | puff | CutMeOwnThroat: No, though I'm not losing any weight. |
| 07:50.58 | die7 | t |
| 07:51.02 | die7 | u |
| 07:51.04 | die7 | p |
| 07:51.06 | die7 | i |
| 07:51.06 | die7 | d |
| 07:51.16 | puff | Bachelor of science, probably. |
| 07:51.23 | puff | die7: Don't flood. |
| 07:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... really. |
| 07:51.25 | die7 | yap |
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| 07:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | see... all the ... interesting... things I'm learning... isn't that a-m-a-z-i-n-g? |
| 07:52.09 | maelstrom | hm, that was a response to his question? probably most people with a bachelor of science degree aren't capable of helping someone with a linux problem |
| 07:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: sorry for talking nonsense, but since that geek comment, I can't take you seriously anymore |
| 07:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | maelstrom: hehe... I actually wondered about that, too :) Was it a "yes" or a "no" - but I more meant like "helping with a windows problem although you don't have windows" |
| 07:53.26 | die7 | haha that' correct i can not take you also seriously |
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| 07:55.14 | die7 | i just don't like if ppl playig geeks and smart asses |
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| 07:55.22 | maelstrom | yeah. anyway if you don't mind me asking Cut, are you studying chemistry at northwestern ? |
| 07:55.29 | die7 | if you are a superhere give your name |
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| 07:55.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | maelstrom: no |
| 07:55.52 | die7 | and results in Informatik, give some god code |
| 07:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | maelstrom: how *did* you guess... I suppose you can read whoisses |
| 07:55.59 | maelstrom | darn. that's what i'm doing. well, somewhere else anyway |
| 07:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | maelstrom: I'm finished studying chemistry... ->no |
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| 07:56.52 | maelstrom | oh, congratulations |
| 07:56.58 | maelstrom | i wish i was done |
| 07:57.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | die7: I was doing neither... I just asked why it is good news for me that he installed debian |
| 07:57.25 | die7 | no more war Cuty |
| 07:57.27 | simonrvn | die7: do you have a debian question? |
| 07:57.48 | die7 | sure |
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| 07:58.19 | Haris | Hello people |
| 07:58.28 | Haris | How do I check for dnotify? -> ( This package provides a server that can monitor a given list of files and notify applications through a socket. If the kernel supports dnotify (kernels >= 2.4.x) FAM is notified directly by the kernel. Otherwise it has to poll the files' status. FAM can also provide an RPC service for monitoring remote files (such as on a mounted NFS filesystem). ) |
| 07:58.48 | Haris | sysctl? |
| 07:58.51 | simonrvn | check your kernel config |
| 07:59.06 | simonrvn | CONFIG_DNOTIFY ;) |
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| 08:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | maelstrom: heh... thanks, but I finished 2 years ago... so you're late. Why the sudden interest into my person? :) |
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| 08:07.03 | maelstrom | i just thought it was neat since that's what i'm studying as well. i'm not aware of many of my classmates in chem who are linux enthusiasts |
| 08:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh - I'm no enthusiast... I just got an allergy against windows |
| 08:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | where are you studying? You got one of those handy cloaks... |
| 08:08.18 | maelstrom | georgia tech |
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| 08:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, Gary Schuster is from there |
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| 08:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/from// |
| 08:12.42 | maelstrom | yep. he's our provost now actually |
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| 08:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, time to call it a night... g'night |
| 08:15.25 | puff | G'night. |
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| 08:22.19 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: g'night |
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| 08:34.52 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:34.52 | dpkg | <niru> how can I get a feature similar to windows vista in debian <JasonS> niru: the blue screns? |
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| 08:37.57 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:38.03 | Nyle | !ping |
| 08:38.03 | dpkg | pong |
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| 08:40.41 | simonrvn | !qotd104 |
| 08:40.41 | dpkg | qotd104 is probably <overclocker> hi, i'n using x3270 to connect to a sco server, everithing works fine except the function keys, ideas? <asg> overclocker: do you have a license for the function keys? <overclocker> i just want to use the F-keys of my keyboard when i connect to the sco server, do i need a licence to do that? |
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| 08:41.44 | liable | knowing sco .. probably. |
| 08:42.22 | \amethyst | SCO server running green screen at that :) |
| 08:42.36 | maelstrom | so iceweasel still stores its data in a folder called firefox eh |
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| 08:54.03 | lispy | i ran, sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-..., and now my system seems hosed :( |
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| 08:54.17 | lispy | $ sudo reboot |
| 08:54.17 | lispy | -bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error |
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| 08:54.30 | lispy | I get crap like that |
| 08:54.33 | abchirk | hi |
| 08:54.50 | lispy | is --reinstall not a good idea whith kernel packages? |
| 08:56.02 | abchirk | I am behind a linux router with iptables... and I want to run an apache behind the router on another pc, but I tried things like this => $IPT -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT, but it doesn't work. :( Any hints? :) |
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| 08:58.08 | liable | lispy: its fine to do |
| 08:59.05 | lispy | liable: hm...I can't seem to run programs anymore though |
| 08:59.15 | lispy | the reinstall failed half way through because of it |
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| 09:00.06 | lispy | http://pastebin.com/m6b78bf48 |
| 09:00.07 | liable | lispy: ok, lets try and be sensible about this. 1) why did you reinstall the kernel in the first place 2) where exactly did it fail? |
| 09:00.48 | liable | lispy: i would say you have failing hardware |
| 09:01.06 | lispy | liable: Well, I was trying to upgrade my kernel. I thought the previous install attempted failed, but it claimed it was installed. So I thought i'd reinstall to make sure it installs correctly. |
| 09:01.28 | lispy | liable: I use software raid |
| 09:01.36 | lispy | I wonder if a module was unloaded |
| 09:01.46 | liable | what does kern.log say? |
| 09:02.00 | lispy | where is that located? |
| 09:02.07 | liable | /var/log |
| 09:02.09 | lispy | i can't run any programs actually so i doubt I can look at it |
| 09:02.23 | lispy | $ cat /var/log/kern.log |
| 09:02.23 | lispy | -bash: /bin/cat: Input/output error |
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| 09:03.15 | lispy | I think I'll have to wait till tomorrow and call my friend to reboot it. But, I have a bad feeling it won't reboot. |
| 09:03.22 | lispy | Bah, there goes my sunday... |
| 09:03.38 | liable | not much you can do then except reboot and hope for the best. i would try doing one disk at a time |
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| 09:04.00 | lispy | it's software raid on top of lvm tho |
| 09:04.09 | lispy | so i don't have much choice about that |
| 09:04.27 | liable | cant you still pull disks on it? |
| 09:04.29 | lispy | or was it lvm on top of sww raid...boy i forget |
| 09:04.36 | lispy | liable: yeah, but what good is that? |
| 09:05.05 | lispy | iirc, other than the spare, they all have to be in there to do much |
| 09:05.16 | Nyle | damn this slow internet |
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| 09:05.31 | Nyle | i figured I could at least help out the browsing a bit |
| 09:05.39 | lispy | liable: the weird thing is, i can still irc from the server right now |
| 09:05.48 | lispy | liable: i just can't run any new programs |
| 09:06.03 | lispy | exec keeps failing |
| 09:06.05 | liable | lispy: ya, so you cant access shit on the disk |
| 09:06.15 | liable | if its already in mem, its ok |
| 09:06.16 | lispy | liable: bash can tab-complete :) |
| 09:06.41 | lispy | liable: ever directories that i doubt are in memory, like /var/log |
| 09:07.21 | liable | lispy: hrm |
| 09:07.22 | lispy | it sucks, because even cat would be useful here |
| 09:07.49 | lispy | i could at least inspect my system setup for doing diagnostics tomorrow |
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| 09:17.42 | grendalprime | damn shitload of cool games in lenny |
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| 09:21.21 | legendi | re |
| 09:21.56 | legendi | I'm having problems with installing bugzilla on etch, has somebody experience with that? |
| 09:22.13 | wols | !asll |
| 09:22.15 | wols | !ask |
| 09:22.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:22.30 | legendi | I'm using apt-get to get the latest one, but it doesn't works for me :-) |
| 09:22.37 | legendi | here's the log: |
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| 09:23.05 | legendi | http://pastebin.org/19916 |
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| 09:23.17 | legendi | it's the result of checksetup |
| 09:23.37 | legendi | I do have correct user/pass settings in /etc/bugzilla/localconfig |
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| 09:23.59 | legendi | when I try ` mysql -u bugzilla -pbugzilla |
| 09:24.00 | legendi | ` |
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| 09:24.06 | legendi | its working |
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| 09:24.16 | legendi | so don't know what's wrong, any suggestions? |
| 09:24.31 | legendi | haven't found any clues with google |
| 09:25.02 | legendi | tried to apt-get remove --purge & installing it again several times, and the result is still the same |
| 09:28.07 | legendi | here's how it fails when I try to install it: http://pastebin.org/19917 |
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| 09:28.44 | votyakf | Good day! Does anybody help me with next problem: when I try to install Debian 4.0 r2 i386 I see only 2 of 3 hard disc 1 ide 1 sata and don't see 3 (sata disc) after full installing - it stil don't see 3 (sata) disc. In what it could be a problem and how to resolve it? |
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| 09:30.17 | bolt | votyakf: are those drives connected to the same controller? |
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| 09:30.46 | votyakf | bolt: yes |
| 09:30.48 | bolt | votyakf: many motherboards seem to come with two different sata controllers and a halluva lot of sata ports these days |
| 09:31.10 | votyakf | MB ASUS P5B |
| 09:32.12 | wols | votyakf: use only the intel sata headers |
| 09:32.19 | wols | or possibly use a newer kernel |
| 09:35.33 | bolt | votyakf: your motherboard has 6 sata ports, of which four are controlled by the ich8 chipset and two by the jmb363 chipset. my guess is you've got one drive connected to each and only the ich8 chipset has a driver loaded (check lsmod) |
| 09:36.01 | votyakf | wols: Newer kernel sounds good :)) In ubuntu from 7.04 till 7.10 all discs are accessable (the kernels are from 2.6.20 - 2.6.22 ) may be this problem, well please help how I can obtain new kernel:)) I need add something in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:36.30 | bolt | !tell votyakf about backports |
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| 09:36.47 | bolt | get the 2.6.22 backport |
| 09:37.06 | techfiz | Hi All, I'm running debian 3.1 |
| 09:37.14 | bolt | techfiz: jolly good |
| 09:37.20 | techfiz | I can see that the cpu system% is too high |
| 09:37.21 | wols | !tell votyakf about backports |
| 09:37.29 | wols | oops. bolt was faster |
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| 09:37.38 | bolt | \o/ |
| 09:38.17 | techfiz | bolt: what do I to do fix cpu system% |
| 09:38.19 | bolt | techfiz: if you have a process going ballistic, search for a reason why that process is doing that. general high cpu usage is not necessarily a bad thing |
| 09:38.20 | votyakf | bolt: wols: I heard something about backport, ok, I'll try it! Thanks a lot!!! |
| 09:38.44 | wols | techfiz: that question is nonsensical |
| 09:38.57 | techfiz | there is nothing that I can see in top |
| 09:39.02 | wols | techfiz: what's your problem. describe in mor detail |
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| 09:39.42 | bolt | techfiz: are you sure you are not looking at the idle cpu percentage? |
| 09:40.07 | bolt | techfiz: for the quick fix, add "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ etch-backports main contrib non-free" to the end of sources.list |
| 09:40.09 | techfiz | wols: I run Apache server here which gets around 80k hits and it can't do much more than that . I tried tweaking apache and mysql but no luck |
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| 09:40.17 | bolt | er. |
| 09:40.20 | bolt | that was for votyakf |
| 09:40.37 | bolt | votyakf: see above |
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| 09:40.44 | wols | techfiz: you sur it's apache and not mysql that eats your CPUR? |
| 09:41.11 | techfiz | bolt: checking that source |
| 09:41.14 | wols | techfiz: aslo, maybe you should buy a better NIC? what NIC do you use right now? |
| 09:41.45 | wols | so what process takes actually your CPU most? what does top say? |
| 09:42.20 | bolt | techfiz: paste "top -n 1" somewhere |
| 09:42.27 | bolt | !tell techfiz about pastebin |
| 09:42.51 | techfiz | bolt: I will paste that for you |
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| 09:44.09 | techfiz | bolt: here it is http://pastebin.com/m4a04d3e0 |
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| 09:44.54 | techfiz | wols: I have ensured that mysql is not creating any more persistent connections on that box |
| 09:44.56 | tziku | hello, when i want to ping "my server" from "my server" i have this error: "connect: Invalid argument". If i want to ping any other ip or addres is working. Can somebody help me please ? |
| 09:45.15 | votyakf | bolt: after adding "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ etch-backports main contrib non-free" to the end of sources.list I run apt-get update, aptitude search kernel I see p linux-image-2.6.22-4-686 - Linux 2.6.22 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII - is it thing what I need to install? |
| 09:45.31 | bolt | votyakf: yep |
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| 09:45.55 | brep | Hello, there. I get "The connection was reset, The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." message frequently with Iceweasel, I have to refresh several times to get the page displayed. |
| 09:45.59 | bolt | votyakf: imho it's easier to just move the cable to another sata port, though |
| 09:46.01 | votyakf | Thank you! I'll try:)) |
| 09:46.44 | wols | ayou are 20% CPU idle |
| 09:46.47 | votyakf | bolt: You mean to sata4 port? Is it help? |
| 09:47.07 | brep | But no problem with IRC, aptitude, ftp, fetchmail and any other internet access. |
| 09:47.18 | brep | What the problem could be? |
| 09:47.23 | techfiz | wols: top has got nothing to say. But cpu system% is just way too high and during peak hours I can see that my apache, mysql both just die |
| 09:47.39 | bolt | votyakf: you have 6 sata ports. 4 are on an intel chip and 2 on some other brand. if you know which drive is working, move the cable for the non-working drive next to the working one |
| 09:47.44 | wols | why do they die? |
| 09:47.55 | wols | if they die, there are error messages |
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| 09:48.28 | techfiz | wols: sorry what I meant was, they take too much of time to respond |
| 09:48.43 | wols | si -- Software Interrupts |
| 09:48.49 | bolt | wtf is 19.8% hi and 57.4% si? |
| 09:48.53 | wols | is very high. last time. what NIC? |
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| 09:49.44 | bolt | techfiz: answer wols :) |
| 09:50.00 | techfiz | wols: Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 4364 (rev 12) |
| 09:50.12 | wols | buy a decent NIC |
| 09:50.15 | brep | If the page use FRAMESET, may be 2 of 3 frames get "The Connection was reset" message. |
| 09:50.43 | techfiz | wols: I will check on this. I have never worked with Marvell NIC before |
| 09:50.44 | wols | lie an nice intel |
| 09:50.55 | bolt | wub 3com |
| 09:51.00 | techfiz | Okay |
| 09:51.19 | wols | from the looks of it you get way too many software interrups. investiage in what ISR your PCU is all the time |
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| 09:51.26 | tziku | hello, when i want to ping "my server" from "my server" i have this error: "connect: Invalid argument". If i want to ping any other ip or addres is working. Can somebody help me please ? |
| 09:51.33 | bolt | brep: try pinging the servers. is your connection stable? |
| 09:51.39 | wols | bolt: good luck getting decent gbit 3com |
| 09:51.51 | wols | intel are decent both on fast ethernet and gbit. |
| 09:51.54 | brep | If I refresh the FRAMESET, maybe one of them gets displayed, but the other ones get the "reset" message. |
| 09:51.54 | wols | 3come went to shits |
| 09:51.59 | bolt | wols: point. never tried their gbit ones. |
| 09:52.22 | brep | bolt: the connection is stable. |
| 09:52.29 | wols | brep: tried other browsers maybe? konq, mozilla,? |
| 09:52.58 | brep | I tryed konquerer, same problem. |
| 09:53.10 | wols | are you using a madnatory proxy? |
| 09:53.11 | techfiz | wols: bolt: chekc this http://pastebin.com/m6e40fc9b this is what I'm concerned about. I will check this once the NIC is changed |
| 09:53.20 | wols | maybe your ISP is a moron? |
| 09:53.53 | wols | techfiz: software interrups ARE system |
| 09:54.05 | brep | tcpdump shows no RST received |
| 09:54.09 | bolt | techfiz: it appears communicating with your hardware takes up far too much cpu time. looks like some low-level problem that replacing the relevant hardware will most likely fix |
| 09:54.19 | techfiz | wols: okay |
| 09:54.35 | bolt | techfiz: you should go ahead and try another network card. just pull something out of another machine and test, so you can see if that helps |
| 09:54.36 | brep | I use a wireless route at home. |
| 09:54.49 | xingu | wols: pretty decent on 10GE too ;) |
| 09:55.00 | wols | techfiz: and since it's a server serving packets a hard look into NICs might be a good idea. could be the NIC is fine tho |
| 09:55.01 | brep | no problem with Windows XP and IE |
| 09:55.08 | wols | but from what I see so far it's the jmost likely |
| 09:55.26 | techfiz | wols: can you tell me what is this ISR which you mentioned earlier. |
| 09:55.34 | wols | brep: is there a problem with ffox on windows? |
| 09:55.37 | simonrvn | except them being xp and ie... |
| 09:55.42 | wols | Interrupt service routinge |
| 09:55.50 | techfiz | wols: okay |
| 09:55.55 | bolt | Windows XP has so much error handling and stuff designed to hide problems from the user that their error handling crashes and hard-locks the system in some cases. I wouldn't trust anything that works on XP to work on anything else. |
| 09:56.18 | bolt | when something actually goes wrong on Windows XP, your computer is about to explode |
| 09:56.42 | brep | so, I am quite sure its the problem of some setting of linux. |
| 09:56.45 | xingu | techfiz: what does ethtool -k say? |
| 09:57.04 | brep | wols: No problem with firefox on Windows XP. |
| 09:57.08 | wols | techfiz: hmmm... http://www.linfo.org/software_interrupt.html |
| 09:57.37 | techfiz | xingu: I don't have ethtool |
| 09:57.39 | techfiz | got to install it |
| 09:57.40 | votyakf | bolt: my config now - 1-st port sata - system HD, 2-nd port sata -sata CD-rom 3-th port sata - invisible (by debian) hd, (as I understand - it is INTEL controller) 2 sata port are outside of computer case (backside of case) - thing I cant connect to this 2 port nothing exept somthing external :( If you think connecting to 4 port sata can solve this problem, maybe it is better then new kernel? Anyway I dounload new kernel and will see:)) Thank you. |
| 09:57.59 | techfiz | wols: thanks for the link :) |
| 09:58.12 | bolt | votyakf: good luck |
| 09:58.30 | wols | yes. it seems tcpip processing is done via software interrupt |
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| 09:58.46 | wols | so a better NIC with offloads some TCPIP "housekeeping" should help |
| 09:58.59 | xingu | like gso |
| 09:59.03 | techfiz | hmm, I will seriously take a look at this right away |
| 09:59.17 | bolt | wols: with that cpu usage, i'd guess a nic that did anything except sit on the couch would help |
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| 09:59.37 | wols | techfiz: read up on marvell NICs how muhc offloading if any they do |
| 09:59.58 | techfiz | wols: sure |
| 09:59.58 | wols | #hard to tell. would be easier if it was a onboard one or a realtek. then we'd know it's shit :P |
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| 10:00.10 | xingu | rtl8169 is ok |
| 10:00.18 | wols | xingu: it is shit :P |
| 10:00.22 | wols | I know cause I have one |
| 10:00.26 | techfiz | :) |
| 10:00.28 | tziku | Can somebody tell me why when i want to ping from "my computer" to "my computer" (to ping my own computer) i have this error: "connect: Invalid argument" . On any other addres ping is working ! |
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| 10:00.55 | xingu | wols: and I know cause I have maybe 200-300 of 'em :) |
| 10:01.08 | wols | tziku: there is no hostname "my computer" in debian. tell us EXACTLY what you do |
| 10:01.31 | brep | May be its the problem of the ndiswrapper driver of my wifi. |
| 10:01.39 | wols | xingu: don#t get me wrong I love realtek. cheap. easy to use, etc. but preformance never was their strong point imho |
| 10:01.55 | wols | brep: what wlan chip? |
| 10:01.55 | tziku | my computer have ip-address 21.21.0.1 and if i want to ping from my computer 21.21.0.1 (my own ip address) is not working i have that problem |
| 10:02.15 | wols | tziku: you still don't answer. come back if you can actually answer the question |
| 10:02.16 | bolt | tziku: also, try connecting to yourself in some other way. (ssh, http, ftp, whatever) |
| 10:02.17 | xingu | wols: rtl8169 is the first family that doesn't really map to; they support most modern features |
| 10:02.26 | brep | but "netstat -i" shows no package lost |
| 10:02.42 | brep | wols: broadcom4311 |
| 10:02.47 | tziku | bolt: ssh: connect to host 89.34.4.2 port 22: Invalid argument |
| 10:02.53 | techfiz | xingu: tcp segmentation offload: off |
| 10:02.57 | wols | brep: why don't you use the linux drivers? |
| 10:03.14 | bolt | tziku: 89.34.4.2 is not your ip, is it? |
| 10:03.21 | xingu | techfiz: ethtool -K tso on |
| 10:03.38 | wols | and there is no command "ssh: connect to host 89.34.4.2 port 22:" either |
| 10:03.40 | tziku | bolt i have a games server with "my computer" was an example |
| 10:04.01 | bolt | quit saying "my computer". please |
| 10:04.03 | wols | tziku: "my comptuer" is not a valid host. EVER |
| 10:04.14 | xingu | techfiz: nb tso basically infers that cksum's in packet captures will be random/garbage; don't let that fool you, if they reach pcap the packet was per term cksumly-valid. |
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| 10:04.35 | wols | tziku: and you STILL haven'tg said a single word what command you actaully use. are you too dumb to do that? |
| 10:04.40 | tziku | GAMES:~# ifconfig |grep "inet addr" |
| 10:04.40 | tziku | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.40 | tziku | GAMES:~# ping 89.34.4.2 |
| 10:04.40 | tziku | connect: Invalid argument |
| 10:04.40 | tziku | GAMES:~# ssh 89.34.4.2 |
| 10:04.40 | tziku | ssh: connect to host 89.34.4.2 port 22: Invalid argument |
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| 10:04.46 | tziku | sorry |
| 10:04.52 | brep | How to configure the linux driver? It does not recognize my wireless interface. |
| 10:05.03 | wols | !bcm43xx |
| 10:05.04 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
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| 10:05.29 | wols | brep: alternatively you could try a really new kernel (.24) via sid backport that has now better support for broadcom |
| 10:05.46 | brep | wols: thanks. I'll try it. |
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| 10:05.55 | wols | brep: if one counts ndiswrapper too there I probabyl 3 different ways/drivers now |
| 10:06.01 | techfiz | xingu: I get this error now sky2 0000:02:00.0: pci express error (0x20000) |
| 10:06.03 | wols | *there are |
| 10:06.06 | cahoot | brep: in which case it's b43 or b43legacy |
| 10:06.27 | xingu | techfiz: is it repeating or was it a one-shot? |
| 10:06.43 | brep | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 10:06.43 | dpkg | hmm... bcm43xx-fwcutter is a tool to extract firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers for the <bcm43xx> driver. Installing the 'bcm43xx-fwcutter' <contrib> package will optionally download, extract and install driver firmware to /lib/firmware (this won't work on Etch, see bug #437488 and ask about <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch> for the manual procedure). |
| 10:06.49 | tziku | wols bolt : http://pastebin.com/d678601ed |
| 10:06.52 | wols | !tell brep about selftell |
| 10:07.22 | techfiz | xingu: huh its gone now |
| 10:07.52 | xingu | techfiz: if it's a one-shot ignore; if it recurs you may have hw issues on that pcie lane; tso will lead to _much_ higher bus util |
| 10:07.52 | techfiz | xingu: but there is no difference that I could see in si |
| 10:07.53 | cahoot | brep: I also think the b43 wants another fw (b43-fwcutter or such) |
| 10:07.58 | wols | tziku: output of iptables -L, ifconfig, route, your interfaces file and if possible relevant (to your eth) outout of dmesg |
| 10:08.08 | xingu | techfiz: what does ethtool -i say? |
| 10:08.18 | xingu | techfiz: interested in what driver you're using |
| 10:08.33 | techfiz | xingu: driver: sky2 |
| 10:08.54 | techfiz | xingu: version: 1.10 firmware-version: N/A |
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| 10:10.20 | xingu | techfiz: cheers; sk* has a reputation for poor/least-cost implementations and weird and wonderful driver bugs that result; if enabling tso hasn't brought si% back under control there's something a bit odd going on; is it possible for you to down/up the interface _after_ having poked tso on? don't saw off the branch you're sitting on. |
| 10:11.11 | techfiz | xingu: whoa! |
| 10:11.13 | xingu | techfiz: at the same si% tso should give you much higher packet throughput |
| 10:11.56 | tziku | wols: http://pastebin.com/dcede45b |
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| 10:12.20 | maelstrom | does debian come with special fonts or am i just seeing the standard kde set ? |
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| 10:13.54 | tziku | wols : and ifconfig http://pastebin.com/d5605f808 |
| 10:14.20 | wols | tziku: pinf localhost working? |
| 10:14.28 | xingu | techfiz: also depending on your workload, if you're running gigE, you probably want to think about jumbo frames (mtu >1500) |
| 10:14.50 | tziku | wols: PING cs.fastinternet.ro (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. , but no reply |
| 10:15.04 | xingu | techfiz: sky2 _should_ support that; if your traffic is all on-LAN then again that'll boost bandwidth util% vs si% |
| 10:15.31 | slakmagik | anybody know a good console RSS feed reader? I've tried raggle and snownews. And I mean a dedicated reader; not stuff like rawdog or rss2email. I searched the package list but maybe I missed something or maybe there's something not on it? |
| 10:15.36 | wols | tziku: you write "ping localhost" and it replies with fastinternet.ro? |
| 10:15.47 | wols | tziku: sounds like your DNS is a bit fucked? |
| 10:15.47 | xingu | techfiz: you'll need switch hardware that supports that and it's an all-or-nothing job; either everything on the segment supports jumbo frames, or don't do it |
| 10:15.55 | hatter | how can i run a program from root within gnome if gksu won't make it run ? i can run the program from a root terminal however |
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| 10:16.19 | tziku | wols fastinternet.ro is server dns... |
| 10:16.19 | wols | xingu: does jumbo frames even help? the interweb has no jubo frames or do routers translate? |
| 10:16.27 | eshaase | i have a daemon program thats spawning defunct processes, what would be the best way to debug this issue? |
| 10:16.38 | techfiz | xingu: thanks for the inputs, going ahead with the hardware change |
| 10:16.52 | xingu | techfiz: what's your si% now just out of interest? |
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| 10:16.59 | wols | tziku: interfaces file and hosts file please |
| 10:17.06 | techfiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.13 | xingu | techfiz: and what was it before? |
| 10:17.31 | wols | xingu: the top paste showed around 50% as well |
| 10:17.33 | tziku | wols i change in /etc/hosts now ping localhost goes in 89.34.4.2 but still not pinging and still have problem with invalid adgument |
| 10:17.35 | techfiz | xingu: almost the same |
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| 10:17.55 | xingu | techfiz: hmm ok; what sort of packet rate? |
| 10:19.29 | legendi | wow, I have 2 root users in my mysql database :D |
| 10:19.51 | et | that's normal |
| 10:19.55 | tziku | wols: http://pastebin.com/d1a5a7016 |
| 10:19.58 | legendi | rly? |
| 10:20.09 | et | one @localhost and one @% |
| 10:20.26 | reZo | using wget, is there a way to make multiple connections for a single file download, instead of a solo connection, to make the download go faster? |
| 10:20.42 | techfiz | xingu: are you interested int these values rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 92.272/92.402/92.489/0.394 ms |
| 10:21.10 | reZo | such as the way other download managers work, for instance, flashget, as you can state a single download to use x amount of connections for x download |
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| 10:21.31 | xingu | techfiz: netstat -in | awk '{ print $4 }'; sleep 10; netstat -in | awk '{ print $4 }' |
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| 10:21.54 | xingu | techfiz: take the value for your interface, subtract the second poll value from the former, and lemme know? |
| 10:22.04 | techfiz | k |
| 10:22.05 | xingu | err subtract the first value from the second |
| 10:22.13 | eshaase | is there any way to make it such that whenever a fork() system call is made, i can do something? |
| 10:22.17 | xingu | ie, we're looking at how many packets per second this thing is receiving |
| 10:22.20 | wols | tziku: use proper interfaces settings for your NICs |
| 10:22.31 | wols | !tell tziku about interfaces |
| 10:22.36 | techfiz | xingu: its 8 and 28 |
| 10:23.00 | xingu | techfiz: you have two interfaces? or is this eth0/lo0? |
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| 10:23.12 | xingu | s/lo0/lo/ |
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| 10:23.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 10:23.47 | techfiz | xingu: yes |
| 10:23.56 | xingu | techfiz: yes to which? :) |
| 10:24.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me find a decent UI for connecting to various networks? |
| 10:24.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | networkmanager doesn't seem to work |
| 10:24.11 | techfiz | lol, lo |
| 10:24.16 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: wlan? |
| 10:24.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | both wlan and eth |
| 10:24.38 | xingu | techfiz: ok even at 8 or 28pps on eth0 we have a misdiagnose here |
| 10:24.58 | xingu | techfiz: there's no network adapter known to man that would result in that kind of cpu chew from that low a packet rate |
| 10:25.15 | xingu | with the possible exception of the bit banger built into a sun3/690 |
| 10:25.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've tried every KDE UI I could find, only one worked, and it doesn't work any more for some reason, after upgrading to 2.6.24.1 and that app is wirelessassistant |
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| 10:25.45 | techfiz | hmm |
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| 10:26.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Currently, when I want to connect to my wireless, I need to open two terminals and type the following in one: wpa_supplicant -Dwext iwlwifi -dd -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -i wlan0 and dhclient in the other |
| 10:26.17 | xingu | techfiz: can you pastebin top -n 1 all over again for me? |
| 10:26.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | That means I have to log in as root twice, and that's getting on my nerves.. |
| 10:26.29 | techfiz | sure |
| 10:26.33 | xingu | techfiz: and better do netstat -in; sleep 10; netstat -in too |
| 10:26.39 | techfiz | okay |
| 10:26.40 | xingu | techfiz: just to revalidate |
| 10:26.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a buggyarse Intel 4965 card using the iwlwifi driver |
| 10:26.51 | techfiz | xingu: :) I understand |
| 10:28.20 | techfiz | xingu: here it is http://pastebin.com/d3871e318 |
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| 10:30.22 | xingu | techfiz: ok something's going bezerk in that box but I don't think it's your NIC |
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| 10:30.46 | xingu | techfiz: cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 10; cat /proc/interrupts |
| 10:30.49 | xingu | techfiz: and pastebin? |
| 10:31.21 | techfiz | okay |
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| 10:32.30 | techfiz | xingu: http://pastebin.com/d32dcecc7 |
| 10:33.37 | bolt | eth0 |
| 10:34.03 | xingu | techfiz: ok there's something intersting in the netstat -in output; you have _two_ eth0 devices there |
| 10:34.08 | xingu | techfiz: what does ifconfig -a think? |
| 10:34.40 | xingu | techfiz: also ip link show |
| 10:34.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | wols: Any ideas? :) |
| 10:34.58 | techfiz | yes I have eth0:1 |
| 10:34.58 | xingu | and yes, eth0 interrupt handler is going nuts |
| 10:35.18 | xingu | techfiz: ok; are you on a hub, or a switch? |
| 10:35.22 | wols | Dark_Apostrophe: nothing I lik myself, so no |
| 10:35.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn |
| 10:36.14 | techfiz | xingu: I got to check with the datacenter |
| 10:37.04 | xingu | techfiz: rapidly coming to the same conclusion that wols came to; bung hw; lot of no-work getting done here - 5pps rx workload, 250k interrupts/s |
| 10:37.05 | techfiz | xingu:most probably its a switch |
| 10:37.34 | techfiz | xingu: hmm |
| 10:37.34 | xingu | techfiz: *nod* the only way you can end up in that kind of place is if you're recieving misaddressed packets and your card has nothing in the way of hw mac filtering |
| 10:37.54 | xingu | techfiz: or maybe if the driver is just shite and wakes the host up even if it's discarding a frame not addressed to it |
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| 10:37.58 | xingu | s/packet/frame/ |
| 10:38.04 | techfiz | okay |
| 10:38.18 | xingu | techfiz: so q. for the provider is - what's the txload on the switch port facing you? |
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| 10:38.45 | xingu | techfiz: in terms of packets/s - if it's higher than "sweet feck all" ie - 1kpps - check they're not flooding multicast or broadcast frames at you |
| 10:38.46 | techfiz | xingu: I okay |
| 10:39.01 | techfiz | hmm |
| 10:39.19 | techfiz | I'm shooting an email to them |
| 10:39.21 | xingu | techfiz: otherwise - bin the hardware and be prepared for the idea that it might be your _pci bridge_ going nanas too |
| 10:39.31 | techfiz | hmm |
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| 10:52.05 | Farhad|InternetM | hi guys, how i can add a script in start-up programs that runs in terminal? |
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| 10:52.51 | se7en | how would i find out what bluetooth i have ... it is not listed in lspci |
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| 10:53.25 | godling | Farhad|InternetM: If your shell is bash, you will have a .bashrc file in which you can put commands you want to run each time you open a terminal. |
| 10:53.26 | Farhad|InternetM | se7en, maybe dmesg | grep blue |
| 10:53.45 | godling | se7en: laptop? |
| 10:53.59 | liable | se7en: try lsusb, they are often on the usb bus |
| 10:54.09 | godling | yeah, what liable said |
| 10:54.24 | godling | but lsusb|grep -i blue |
| 10:54.47 | se7en | Farhad|InternetM: got it godling yes liable no usb |
| 10:55.00 | godling | what? |
| 10:55.14 | se7en | godling: yes a laptop |
| 10:55.35 | Farhad|InternetM | godling, my command is wget , can I put it in .bashrc? |
| 10:55.58 | godling | The Bluetooth device in my laptop is located on my USB bus. |
| 10:56.08 | godling | redundancy++ |
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| 10:56.28 | godling | Farhad|InternetM: Yes, whatever you'd like. however, it will load everytime you open a terminal window. |
| 10:56.38 | godling | Farhad|InternetM: Maybe you are looking for cron? |
| 10:56.45 | Farhad|InternetM | no, |
| 10:56.49 | godling | ok |
| 10:56.50 | Farhad|InternetM | thanks, |
| 10:56.56 | godling | then yeah, you can put whatever you want in .bashrc |
| 10:57.07 | timonator | hello folks. i did nothing but reboot and my xserver decided to segfault. after updating stuff it worked again, but now compiz won't work any more and amarok immediately segfaults when i start it, what could have caused that and what can i do to fix my stuff? |
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| 10:58.01 | godling | timonator: You must travel to town and find the man with the purple hat. |
| 10:58.05 | liable | se7en: lsusb -v|grep -i blue |
| 10:58.07 | godling | He will sell you the magic beans. |
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| 10:58.34 | timonator | i thought THIS was town |
| 10:58.39 | timonator | are you the man with the purple hat? |
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| 10:59.52 | timonator | oh, glxgears segfaults, too :/ |
| 11:00.03 | timonator | and glxinfo; could it be that i fucked up my glx stuff? |
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| 11:00.33 | tralala | timonator, you don't run stable, do you? |
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| 11:01.32 | timonator | i do |
| 11:02.17 | Farhad|InternetM | another question! when I set a user to automatically login in gnome, where save this setting?which file? |
| 11:02.44 | tralala | timonator, so what "stuff" did you update exactly to make your X work again? |
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| 11:02.56 | timonator | xorg-server-core among others |
| 11:03.07 | timonator | some kde stuff that probably came with amarok |
| 11:03.14 | timonator | or with installing a qt theme |
| 11:03.23 | timonator | i just updated all i could ;) |
| 11:03.48 | tralala | timonator, stable doesn't have updates (only security) |
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| 11:04.13 | tralala | Farhad|InternetM, /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 11:04.23 | timonator | right. i do have security.debian in my sources.list |
| 11:04.43 | tralala | so which version of xorg-server-core do you have now? |
| 11:04.48 | timonator | hold on a second |
| 11:05.06 | timonator | 2:1.1.1-21 it seems |
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| 11:06.24 | tralala | what about mesa-utils |
| 11:06.32 | timonator | 6.3.2-2.1 |
| 11:06.59 | timonator | uh, could that "removing nvidia tls links" that always shows up when i boot be relevant? |
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| 11:08.04 | Farhad|InternetM | tralala, thanks |
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| 11:08.14 | legendi | WHOOOOOOOOOOOAAAA!! |
| 11:08.21 | legendi | my bugzilla is up and running!! |
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| 11:08.32 | legendi | :-) |
| 11:08.50 | timonator | tralala: what do you think of re-installing the nvidia drivers (i got them from the nvidia website as the ones from the deb repositories won't work at all) |
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| 11:09.01 | legendi | ( sry, I've been fighting with the installer for hours...) |
| 11:09.03 | Farhad|InternetM | tralala, but i haven't this file |
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| 11:11.05 | tralala | timonator, do you use the nvidia closed source driver? |
| 11:11.16 | timonator | yes |
| 11:11.25 | tziku | wols: http://pastebin.com/d53989c0b Can this help you to help me with my "old" problem with pinging localhost ..? |
| 11:11.34 | tralala | timonator, get rid of it and do it the debian way - /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 11:11.43 | timonator | i did before |
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| 11:11.46 | timonator | it didn't work |
| 11:11.46 | godling | Has anyone reported problems of synclient not working? |
| 11:11.52 | timonator | when X started it completely hardfroze my computer |
| 11:11.53 | tralala | Farhad|InternetM, which display manager do you use? kdm? |
| 11:11.58 | timonator | that was unacceptable to me |
| 11:12.04 | Farhad|InternetM | no, gnome |
| 11:12.07 | timonator | i can't listen to music when my computer is completely hardfrozen |
| 11:12.30 | godling | Farhad|InternetM: If you use GDM then you should have /etc/gdm/ |
| 11:12.47 | tralala | timonator, have you followed the instructions from the wiki? |
| 11:12.52 | timonator | yes |
| 11:12.58 | timonator | i used module assistant and did all that it said |
| 11:13.26 | timonator | i guess the driver version that debian ships is too old for my rather new card or something like that |
| 11:13.28 | Farhad|InternetM | Sorry, I found it, I forgot to add cat command in terminal :D |
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| 11:15.18 | legendi | is it normal when I create a mysql account with 'create user A identified by ...' & write 'grant all on xxx.* to user A identified by ...' to have 2 A users in my mysql/user table? |
| 11:16.32 | timonator | i'll have to leave for ~30min now, bbl |
| 11:16.49 | tziku | can somebody help me please with this problem: http://pastebin.com/d3d14fe33 . When i want to ping from "89.34.4.2" to "89.34.4.2" is not working i have this error: "connect: Invalid argument" . |
| 11:16.54 | timonator | tralala: if you don't have another suggestion for me i'll try re-installing the nvidia drivers using the nvidia installer |
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| 11:31.12 | ugu | Hello. How can there be a process named /USR/SBIN/CRON in ps's output? |
| 11:31.47 | Farhad|InternetM | when i set a user to auto login don't change any thing i /etc/gdm/gdm.conf , why? |
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| 11:36.40 | jimcooncat | I'm looking for guidelines for package naming -- I don't want my custom packages to conflict with existing or upcoming names. Any reference? Use capital letters or numbers? |
| 11:36.48 | hatter | what do i do if packages.debian.org has a package avaiable but dpkg doesnt ? |
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| 11:38.01 | Legality | hi |
| 11:38.11 | Legality | How can I change the chmod for only files under folders? |
| 11:38.36 | Legality | lets say I've got folder1/folder2, with what command can I change the chmod for only the files under folder1 and folder2? |
| 11:38.53 | \amethyst | Legality: only the files and not the directories? |
| 11:39.02 | Legality | only files, not the directories |
| 11:39.05 | \amethyst | Legality: but including the files in subdirectories? |
| 11:39.09 | Legality | yes |
| 11:39.21 | Legality | correct |
| 11:39.21 | \amethyst | Legality: find folder1 -type f -exec chmod 600 {} + |
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| 11:39.40 | Legality | that gives the files chmod 600? |
| 11:39.53 | \amethyst | Legality: yes, and because of the -type f, only the ordinary files |
| 11:40.03 | \amethyst | and not directories, symlinks, devices, etc |
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| 11:40.35 | Legality | nice |
| 11:40.36 | Legality | thanks |
| 11:40.40 | \amethyst | np |
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| 11:55.55 | SchwarzeKraus1 | RichiH: What was that about Russians?) |
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| 11:56.26 | RichiH | SchwarzeKraus1: we have a guy in #freenode an no one knows what he wants |
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| 11:59.18 | piju | hello, how to install sun java on iceweasel debian lenny amd64 ? |
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| 12:01.01 | jimm | is there not a package that has it? |
| 12:01.08 | piju | i dont know |
| 12:01.52 | jimm | which version of java do you want? |
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| 12:09.43 | vasco | thanks god |
| 12:10.00 | vasco | my first debian OS with a X interface runing well |
| 12:10.23 | vasco | little question |
| 12:10.26 | jimm | what did it take to get that? |
| 12:10.43 | jimm | oh, -little- question? ok |
| 12:10.46 | jimm | is it good? |
| 12:10.48 | vasco | it s a paranoiac mind to think about an iptables for create a local firewall? |
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| 12:11.33 | jimm | well the firewall should really be on a separate device, like on your firewall |
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| 12:11.46 | vasco | jimm nice |
| 12:12.00 | vasco | but i have to connect my laptop on a lot of network |
| 12:12.09 | jimm | oh ok |
| 12:12.21 | vasco | just want to know if it s commain to use a local iptables for a firewall? |
| 12:12.28 | cahoot | what would the purpose of the firewall be? |
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| 12:13.00 | vasco | the firewall will be on enter connection if it wasn t initialized 1 st i think |
| 12:13.34 | vasco | and just let exit http ftp proxy and irc of course ^^ |
| 12:13.43 | vasco | https too |
| 12:13.54 | jimm | see there's this firewall calculator package (which won't be useful to you) called ipmasq, and what it does is it looks at the two interfaces and "calculates" the firewall, inserting iptables rules as it goes, according to the addresses and routes it sees on ifconfig and route |
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| 12:14.39 | vasco | jimm, nice duno ipmasq |
| 12:15.38 | jimm | -maybe- you can avoid having to know your address to build your firewall tho, but it's also possible that you might need to know, which you won't know until the dhcp client gets an address from whatever net you put your laptop on |
| 12:16.16 | jimm | again ipmasq won't be directly of use... really its purpose is to build a masqing gateway |
| 12:16.22 | vasco | sure |
| 12:16.25 | jimm | which is not what you want |
| 12:16.48 | vasco | jimm, yes i can understand what you mean |
| 12:17.13 | vasco | but i know i will have to reconfigure my iptables in special situation |
| 12:17.18 | jimm | I'm just trying to make the point that it's possible that you need to know the address you get from the dhcp client in order to build the firewall rules you want |
| 12:17.51 | jimm | which means you'd have to write a script that outputs iptables rules |
| 12:17.54 | vasco | dhcp is a special port i suppose |
| 12:17.59 | vasco | ? |
| 12:18.13 | jimm | maybe it uses the bootp port |
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| 12:21.45 | jimm | I think you have to let the dhcp client and server keep their communication |
| 12:22.13 | jimm | sometimes the server will tell the client "I'm changing your IP address now, here is your new one" |
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| 12:23.10 | vasco | jimm, i understand |
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| 12:23.23 | vasco | how can use msn on a linux? |
| 12:23.32 | vasco | can i do it with jabber? |
| 12:23.41 | vasco | or another linux package is the best |
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| 12:24.26 | jimm | msn is proprietary protocol that ms changes frequently because it bothers them that people write clients that can connect to it |
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| 12:25.18 | jimm | would you be sad if you never used msn again? |
| 12:25.20 | tralala | vasco, /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:26.30 | vasco | tralala, why not apt-cache search ? |
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| 12:27.05 | tralala | vasco, that's right, why not? |
| 12:27.13 | jimm | vasco: I think that's the question he's asking you |
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| 12:27.50 | jimm | at least that's part of his communication :) |
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| 12:28.19 | hatter | how do i purge a package completley include config files ? |
| 12:28.34 | jimm | try typing: dpkg --help |
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| 12:28.36 | jimm | at your shell |
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| 12:28.49 | vasco | i see |
| 12:28.55 | jimm | in this way you will get a list of all the tricks dpkg can do |
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| 12:29.09 | hatter | thx |
| 12:29.19 | tralala | vasco, jimm, /msg dpkg search is an irc command which will result in a short lesson how to search things in debian |
| 12:29.23 | Stun | Hello, I want to send email to my postfix (installed in a dedicaced server) by the 587 port (the 25 is blocked by my FAI) but when I try to send any mail by Icedove I have this error : 5.7.1 Relay Acces denied... |
| 12:29.36 | `ns` | ahhh the joys of rebooting debian for the first time in 6 months ... no network, no sound, mousewheel not working :) I need to keep a booklet on how to get it working again after the reboots |
| 12:29.52 | tralala | and dpkg is the channel's bot, not the debian command |
| 12:29.58 | RaymondX | i have debian (newly installed)...nothing is showing up on /mnt when i put a cd-rom in. |
| 12:30.23 | tralala | RaymondX, /media/ |
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| 12:30.31 | jimm | RaymondX: !! oh !! hmm, maybe you have to take action :) |
| 12:30.42 | jimm | type mount with no arguments |
| 12:30.51 | jimm | it will show you what is mounted where |
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| 12:31.14 | RaymondX | hahahaha......old age can really cause spontaneous confusion |
| 12:32.05 | jimm | so are you saying that there is a function c whose argument is time from birth and whose value is confusion level? |
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| 12:34.11 | RaymondX | no it means that there is a function r broadcasting a local variable then function j thinks it's his |
| 12:34.21 | jimm | seriously... you just installed debian for the first time... there are things you don't know yet, and that's not caused by confusion, it's caused by its being new to you :) |
| 12:35.04 | jimm | or is this your first debian install? |
| 12:35.35 | jimm | no matter, we still can't know everything in an instant |
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| 12:37.53 | bkw | I had problems installing etch on DP965LT ICH8, the dvd wasn't detected. Nor the audio is working with 2.6.18-6 debian kernel. Anyone who knows if the dp965lt is better supported in latest 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 12:38.15 | wols | tziku: what is in your /etc/network/interfaces? anything new? |
| 12:38.22 | tralala | bkw, /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 12:41.28 | bkw | tralala: I did successfully complete the installation using a usb-memory stick instead of cdrom. But are there any unofficial 2.6.24 debian kernel packages? |
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| 12:42.21 | wols | !tell bkw about backports |
| 12:42.30 | wols | 2.6.24 is in sid only |
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| 12:43.01 | tralala | btw, there aren't but in backports we have .22 and you can get a .23 from a kmuto installer |
| 12:43.15 | wols | tziku: 24 |
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| 12:43.51 | wols | tralala: kmuto had to change due to the kernel 'sploit |
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| 12:45.23 | tralala | he did? good |
| 12:45.50 | kottlett | hi! |
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| 12:48.01 | bkw | 2.6.22-3-686 seem to be the latest image from backports.org |
| 12:48.21 | ManuP | wget -A.pdf localStored.html doesnt work. wget sets a http:// prefix in front of LocalStored.html. how do i prevent wget to do this? |
| 12:48.38 | tziku | wols: now i set on dhclient and is same problem. |
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| 12:49.01 | jimm | ok, so I have an inspiron 5150 laptop which has a radeon 7500 which drives its flat panel and a 15-pin monitor output. I was told I can use Fn-F8 to switch between the laptop screen and the monitor... that can be useful, but is there a way to get the output on both at the same time? |
| 12:49.03 | bkw | tralala: Is there a kernel package available on the kmuto install cd(iso) I can simply dpkg -i ? |
| 12:49.11 | tralala | bkw, yes, there is |
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| 12:50.39 | jimm | I really want the video on both at once |
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| 12:51.48 | xingu | can someone more fluent with the thing update dpkg's iwlwifi hint? http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Download <-- that's where the active stuff is now. |
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| 12:52.29 | jimm | !iwlwifi |
| 12:52.29 | dpkg | it has been said that iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi, or #ipw2100 @ ... |
| 12:52.49 | xingu | iwlwifi, mac80211 active dev is upstream, best snapshot for out of tree backports is probably compat-wireless-2.6 |
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| 12:54.03 | jimm | perhaps you could come up with the new text (one, I have no idea if I can change it permswise, two, I have no idea which part is active and which not) |
| 12:54.11 | tralala | ~iwlwifi |
| 12:54.14 | tralala | !iwlwifi |
| 12:54.14 | dpkg | i guess iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Download, or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 12:54.37 | tralala | xingu, mkay? |
| 12:55.01 | xingu | tralala: that's about as precise as I'd be able to get too - looks good. |
| 12:55.06 | zinx | it's not that difficult.. you need the iwlwifi package, the kernel source (full source, not just headers), and the firmware. |
| 12:55.14 | xingu | tralala: the old link is dead as a dodo so that's a step forward |
| 12:55.15 | kottlett | anybody ever heard about a feature allowing to specify new hardware IDs on the kernel boot line? like newid="0x8086 0x10bd,e1000"? |
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| 12:55.43 | jimm | zinx: I think the issue was updating the bot so that telling people that factoid would be useful |
| 12:55.47 | xingu | zinx: that's exactly what I'm getting at, "the iwlwifi package" (actually mac80211 + iwlwifi) have relocated. |
| 12:55.50 | zinx | jimm: yeah |
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| 12:56.00 | zinx | xingu: you don't need mac80211 |
| 12:56.12 | liable | it was in debian 23 kernels? |
| 12:56.12 | ManuP | wget -A.pdf file://path/local.html dont work either :/ |
| 12:56.16 | zinx | xingu: and they've always been at intellinuxwireless.org :x |
| 12:56.22 | xingu | zinx: actually you do, the one in 2.6.24.2 is stale-ish and will shit itself on s2ram |
| 12:56.32 | xingu | zinx: ... and the versions on intellwireless.org are unmergable |
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| 12:56.37 | zinx | xingu: o_O |
| 12:56.40 | snaqo | 4.0r3 was just released ;D |
| 12:57.07 | tralala | \o/ |
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| 12:57.24 | jimm | ManuP: wget from a file://? you could just cp |
| 12:57.26 | xingu | zinx: it's a very, very fast moving target at this stage |
| 12:57.36 | xingu | zinx: it'll settle down soon, but just for the moment... |
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| 12:58.58 | phil | hi everyone |
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| 12:59.49 | phil | i wonder what might be wrong with these lines: http://rafb.net/p/jKXIdZ67.html |
| 13:00.11 | phil | tried to upgrade to etch but it can't find ftp://ftp.debian.de/debian-non-US/dists/etch/non-US/main/source/Sources.gz |
| 13:00.17 | phil | is it just the server or something else? |
| 13:00.20 | ManuP | jim, what do you mean with cp` |
| 13:00.25 | ManuP | ? |
| 13:00.49 | jimm | phil: try apt-get update |
| 13:01.04 | jimm | btw what are you running now |
| 13:01.24 | ManuP | jim, me? |
| 13:01.29 | jimm | ManuP wget from a file: url is the same as cp |
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| 13:02.21 | phil | jimm: i tried. http://rafb.net/p/rTiay158.html |
| 13:02.21 | vasco | join #iptables |
| 13:02.23 | ManuP | jimm, sorry, i dont understand what you mean. "url is the same as cp".. cp = copy? |
| 13:02.33 | jimm | man cp |
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| 13:03.17 | jimm | ManuP: I tried twice; sorry the communication didn;t work out |
| 13:04.16 | ManuP | jimm, the problem is, that i didnt know what you meant with cp. i guess, you mean, i should try to use the cp command instead of the wget-command |
| 13:04.27 | phil | jimm: or is there no longer a non-US branch? |
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| 13:04.48 | jimm | phil: correct. no non-us. |
| 13:04.55 | RaymondX | how do i uninstall gnome and all the apps that run under it? |
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| 13:05.11 | jimm | ManuP: wget is to get pages from a web server |
| 13:05.15 | phil | jimm: any further links for that? haven't heard about it yet. |
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| 13:05.53 | jimm | phil: probably there are further links... and google.com can find them :) |
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| 13:06.10 | ManuP | jimm, and to get files from a server.. |
| 13:06.15 | jimm | phil: what dist are you running now exactly? |
| 13:06.21 | phil | jimm: sarge |
| 13:06.24 | io2 | do anyone know where i can ask questions about wpa supplicant? |
| 13:06.55 | phil | jimm: would you suggest upgrading by modifying source.list to fit the etch servers and then running apt-get dist-upgrade? or would that cause any major problems? |
| 13:07.35 | jimm | someone was warning about makig sure your sarge is uptodate before upgrading |
| 13:07.41 | jimm | so |
| 13:07.51 | jimm | repoint your sources.list back to sarge |
| 13:08.00 | jimm | then update and upgrade |
| 13:08.08 | phil | oh okay |
| 13:08.11 | phil | thanks for the hint |
| 13:08.14 | wols | !tell phil about sarge->etch |
| 13:08.18 | wols | phil: read it |
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| 13:08.29 | RaymondX | sudo aptitude purge gnome? |
| 13:08.35 | phil | wols: thanks |
| 13:08.38 | phil | i'll do |
| 13:08.40 | wols | simply apt-get dist-upgrading has a high chance of hosing your install |
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| 13:08.44 | wols | !tell RaymondX about remove gnome |
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| 13:09.01 | jimm | ManuP: what kind of server? if web, you can use wget or any web browser |
| 13:09.17 | io2 | do anyone know who or where can i ask questions about wpasupplicant? |
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| 13:09.25 | OBcecado | ask google |
| 13:09.39 | io2 | OBcecado, did that. |
| 13:09.49 | liable | io2: ask away and we'll see |
| 13:09.51 | ManuP | jimm, it is web-server. problem: it uses sessions, so i cant access the web-page with wget (because no session was initiated). |
| 13:09.51 | io2 | it was working till last week |
| 13:09.58 | abrotman | io2: stop repeating |
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| 13:10.00 | io2 | now it isn't.. |
| 13:10.11 | GhoSt_DoG | Hi OBcecado ;) |
| 13:10.13 | jimm | a session ID is generally stored in a cookie |
| 13:10.14 | io2 | abrotman, just thought no one saw the first time i asked. |
| 13:10.21 | jimm | man wget |
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| 13:10.23 | ManuP | jimm, so i saved with iceweasel the page which contains links to pdf-files i want to download. |
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| 13:10.26 | RaymondX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.37 | YAPDog | Does anone know if http://dilab.debian.net:800/~joey/d-i/preseed/ is mirrored anywhere? The link from the debian.org wiki is dead |
| 13:10.53 | jimm | then you grab those links off the page |
| 13:10.59 | jimm | and use wget on them. |
| 13:11.05 | liable | YAPDog: debian.org/devel and follow the links |
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| 13:12.09 | wols | jimm: they are stored in urls too |
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| 13:12.22 | wols | jimm: dsable cookies in ffox and you see it in the URL |
| 13:12.38 | liable | YAPDog: whats the preeseed for? |
| 13:13.02 | liable | YAPDog: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/ |
| 13:13.15 | YAPDog | liable - at the moment I'm doing a simple one for fully auto install of single mahcines but if I remember rightly Joeys stuff allows you to break bits out and I wanted to se how he did it |
| 13:13.42 | liable | YAPDog: oh, i dont see that there |
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| 13:14.07 | YAPDog | It used to live on the down server. He had the best examples I'd see, i should have mrrored a copy |
| 13:14.42 | YAPDog | The original link's on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed - under examples |
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| 13:15.36 | io2 | http://pastebin.com/m45c2fd4c <- this is the output i get from wpa_supplicant. |
| 13:15.56 | io2 | it doesn't connect to the AP.. |
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| 13:17.09 | liable | io2: if it was working a week ago, what changed? |
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| 13:18.06 | io2 | liable, no idea. |
| 13:18.33 | io2 | lemme see if i can get the output it should have when it works... |
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| 13:18.43 | liable | what did you install? new kernel? new wpasupp? new wireless driver? |
| 13:18.56 | liable | io2: i dont need to see that |
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| 13:19.31 | theclaw | hi |
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| 13:19.56 | theclaw | aptitude wants to remove packages because they are unused, how do I prohibit that? |
| 13:20.19 | io2 | liable, well, the kernel is new, but it worked before here. the driver's nidswrapper, the wpa_supplicant is lenny's. |
| 13:20.26 | seon | why we have 3 DVD on the amd64 version |
| 13:20.30 | abrotman | themill: mark them correctly .. |
| 13:20.35 | abrotman | seon: lots of software |
| 13:20.37 | abrotman | bah |
| 13:20.41 | zinx | theclaw: 'm'/'M' will alter the automatic status, or you can hit + to tell it you want it |
| 13:20.42 | themill | abrotman: hi :) |
| 13:20.43 | abrotman | theclaw: mark them correctly .. man aptitude |
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| 13:20.54 | io2 | liable, driver works fine, since iwlist wlan0 scan returns okay. |
| 13:20.59 | themill | ouch |
| 13:20.59 | liable | theclaw: unused means that a package that automatically installed them, isnt there any more, or no longer needs em |
| 13:21.32 | seon | abrotman> if i want only the core system as the ia32 system can i use the dvd1 |
| 13:21.51 | abrotman | seon: do you want amd64 or amd64 ? |
| 13:21.55 | abrotman | jesus |
| 13:21.56 | theclaw | isn't there a way to *generally* disable the removal of unused packages? |
| 13:22.00 | abrotman | amd64 or i386 |
| 13:22.01 | liable | io2: what card is it? |
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| 13:22.08 | zinx | theclaw: why do you want to? |
| 13:22.17 | zinx | theclaw: and probably yes, in the aptitude options |
| 13:22.26 | seon | abrotman> yes i want but only the small system |
| 13:22.31 | sdnnvs | io2: wpa_supplicant.conf is ok? |
| 13:22.32 | io2 | liable, Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02) |
| 13:22.35 | abrotman | seon: use the netinst |
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| 13:22.42 | io2 | sdnnvs, yes. it's right. |
| 13:22.45 | seon | abrotman> ok thanks |
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| 13:23.02 | lindem | hi |
| 13:23.04 | liable | io2: bleh, have you tried the new drivers for it? check out linuxwireless.org |
| 13:23.06 | fab|wien | how can I find out which packages are installed but in no repository (commandline)? |
| 13:23.09 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 13:23.11 | theclaw | zinx: hmm. |
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| 13:23.15 | liable | i think it has bcm |
| 13:23.27 | io2 | liable, hm, i tried that one that came with the kernel, but it didn't work. |
| 13:23.32 | sdnnvs | io2: rm wpa_supplicant.conf~ or refresh memory? |
| 13:23.33 | theclaw | zinx: i will try the &m/&M thing, thanks |
| 13:23.33 | io2 | liable, i will check. |
| 13:23.50 | zinx | theclaw: or use +, which will make it not automatic if aptitude's trying to purge it |
| 13:23.51 | liable | io2: |
| 13:24.01 | liable | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 13:24.59 | sdnnvs | io2: "No keys have been configured - skip key clearing |
| 13:25.00 | liable | bleh |
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| 13:25.12 | liable | io2: looks like rev2 isnt supported |
| 13:25.17 | liable | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 13:25.30 | liable | wakeup! |
| 13:25.30 | abrotman | they all just quit |
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| 13:25.36 | theclaw | zinx: i'm sorry, what do you mean with "make it not automatic"? |
| 13:25.47 | io2 | sdnnvs, i will try refreshing the config, lemme see |
| 13:26.22 | liable | sdnnvs: it says that all the time in debug mode |
| 13:26.32 | zinx | theclaw: when you install something with aptitude, it assumes what you told it to install is the only thing you want it to install, and marks the packages it requires as automatically installed - so if you remove the package you told it to install later, it will remove the dependencies as well without you having to hunt down each one |
| 13:27.06 | zinx | theclaw: also, if the package's dependencies change, it will automatically uninstall any automatically installed dependencies that are no longer needed by the package |
| 13:27.30 | sdnnvs | liable: i presume.. io2 don't restart system after configuration wpa_... |
| 13:27.33 | liable | io2: my bad, there is support for your rev2 card |
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| 13:28.09 | liable | sdnnvs: he has started it from the command line from the looks of it, with -dd option |
| 13:28.12 | io2 | liable, oh, if there is, i prefer. i don't quite like using a windows driver ... |
| 13:28.15 | zinx | theclaw: aptitude will put an "A" in the package list for automaticly installed packages, and you can toggle whether aptitude thinks it was automatically installed or not with m/M, or you can explicitly tell it to install the package with +, which will also mark it as not automatically installed (since you explicity told it to install..) |
| 13:28.28 | io2 | liable, yes, i did |
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| 13:29.31 | liable | io2: go here and follow the instructions. http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download |
| 13:30.10 | io2 | liable, thanks |
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| 13:30.39 | liable | io2: make sure that ndiswrapper module isnt loaded when you try the bcm driver |
| 13:31.09 | liable | oh, the page mentions it.. |
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| 13:31.20 | theclaw | zinx: hmm, okay |
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| 13:31.37 | theclaw | so it's basically the same, whether I use m oder + |
| 13:31.43 | theclaw | err |
| 13:31.48 | theclaw | whether I use "m" or "+" |
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| 13:34.05 | pablo_ | hi, i installed icepick however i cany compile, it tells me Fatal Error: Unable to find package java.lang in classpath or bootclasspath |
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| 13:35.04 | wols | pablo_: dpkg -l |grep java |
| 13:35.10 | wols | !tell pablo_ about install java |
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| 13:36.47 | pablo_ | wols: so you dont recommend me to use icepick? |
| 13:37.56 | wols | !info icepick |
| 13:37.58 | dpkg | icepick: (java toolchain built from OpenJDK sources), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.01-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1871 kB, Installed size: 2156 kB |
| 13:38.10 | wols | openJDK is not finished yet |
| 13:38.13 | wols | still parts missing |
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| 13:39.02 | neo2dot0 | How can I boot my installed Debian? Problem is: No bootloader installed, Grub installation via chroot doesn't work. The Grub version of the installed Debian has a bug. |
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| 13:39.30 | chinkako | where |
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| 13:39.49 | pablo_ | wols: just wanted to try it, how can i fix that error? |
| 13:39.59 | neo2dot0 | I have run "Super Grub Disk" from the "Ultimate Boot CD" to restore Grub, but the partition gives a Disk read error |
| 13:40.13 | wols | pablo_: install the "real" jdk |
| 13:40.29 | wols | !tell neo2dot0 about errors |
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| 13:40.38 | beardy | neo2dot0: "has a bug" requires, most often, that you back that up. |
| 13:40.58 | themill | !chrootgrub |
| 13:40.58 | dpkg | you need to "mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev" from outside the chroot so that the /dev directory in the chroot is populated, and run "mount /proc ; mount /sys" inside the chroot |
| 13:41.20 | pablo_ | wols: it is non-free |
| 13:41.29 | wols | I know |
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| 13:41.42 | themill | pablo_: tell that to Sun. |
| 13:41.58 | wols | but if I went non free I'd probably use the GNU classpath stuff |
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| 13:42.07 | pablo_ | wols: so which free java compiler do you recommend me? |
| 13:42.23 | wols | I just told you and dpkg told you too |
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| 13:42.34 | neo2dot0 | beardy: I found a thread some days ago. People had the same problem, but succeeded in updating grub. |
| 13:42.51 | neo2dot0 | I think I'll just reinstall. |
| 13:43.05 | beardy | No no no.. |
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| 13:44.13 | neo2dot0 | Something must be seriously wrong with that partition, because of the read errors at boot attempt. |
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| 13:49.59 | GuilhermeBrant | I am experiencing problems with sound here.It wokrs fine with XMMS,Gain,etc,but with video applications and flash in iceweasel sound is not working.Does anybody know the problem? |
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| 13:52.19 | seon | what is the compiler use to develop the debian kernel |
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| 13:57.44 | cahoot | GuilhermeBrant: cat /proc/version |
| 13:57.58 | theatro | GuilhermeBrant, do you have mplayer? with mplayer -ao alsa file.mp3 you hear anything? |
| 13:58.03 | cahoot | GuilhermeBrant: sorry wrong nick |
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| 13:59.27 | `ns` | deb/testing, rebooted about an hour ago, for first time in months, mouse wheel is no longer working, other than that mouse works fine (in Xorg). any ideas ? |
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| 14:00.23 | dante_2core | `ns`, new mouse driver? what did you use before? |
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| 14:01.10 | `ns` | no idea .... 'twas just working. xorg.conf is unchanged |
| 14:01.17 | bonez44 | I have one machine....that needs upgrading...but at present is running sarge Linux fyrenice.com 2.6.8.1-03-NeTraverse-i686-UP-4GB every time I run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade..it shows downloading some packages..during update, but never upgrades anything..not in several months |
| 14:01.17 | dante_2core | what kinda mouse is it? |
| 14:01.21 | GuilhermeBrant | cat /proc/version returned |
| 14:01.25 | GuilhermeBrant | Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 |
| 14:01.43 | abrotman | bonez44: try another mirror |
| 14:01.44 | `ns` | logitech, optical, usb ... good olde made in China |
| 14:01.49 | abrotman | bonez44: or show us your sources.list |
| 14:02.17 | brif8 | anyone got evolution 2.12.3 working with IMAP over SSL I keep getting "SSL Unavailable" error (1) I have tried on another machine and it worked. (2) It works on this machine with icedove. So I know it is something local and evolution specific (3) I have deleted and installed the account at least 4 times and checked the configuration still the same error ?? |
| 14:02.24 | GuilhermeBrant | Just on the video players and flash in iceweasel sound doesn't work |
| 14:02.29 | dante_2core | `ns`, could you look up what driver you're using for the mouse in xorg.conf? |
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| 14:02.37 | bonez44 | abrotman: glad to...hold and I'll pastebin it |
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| 14:03.24 | theatro | GuilhermeBrant, run gnome-sound-properties |
| 14:03.41 | bonez44 | http://pastebin.ca/907298 |
| 14:04.32 | `ns` | dante_2core, driver is "mouse" modules usbmouse, psmouse and mousedev are all loaded according to proc |
| 14:04.42 | GuilhermeBrant | (gnome-sound-properties:3899): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 14:04.42 | GuilhermeBrant | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 14:05.13 | dante_2core | `ns`, any weird button definitions or mouse wheel emulation turned on? pastebin your xorg.conf, should be best. |
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| 14:05.38 | fab|wien | hi |
| 14:05.40 | theatro | GuilhermeBrant, open a terminal and type id |
| 14:05.46 | fab|wien | how can I find out which packages are obsolete? |
| 14:05.48 | fab|wien | (commandline) |
| 14:06.22 | GuilhermeBrant | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) grupos=0(root) |
| 14:06.40 | abrotman | bonez44: first of all .. non-us is long dead |
| 14:06.55 | abrotman | bonez44: secondly .. you're on sarge .. what kind of updates do you want ? |
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| 14:07.46 | theatro | GuilhermeBrant, you should use your system as a normal user, you should login in gnome/whatever as a normal user |
| 14:08.01 | theatro | GuilhermeBrant, then you should add this user in the audio group |
| 14:08.03 | bonez44 | abrotman: well, I guess I would like to upgrade to etch...I run my email mutt/exim4/procmail plus I run mailman, with several mailining lists on this machine....can I upgrade it to etch and have it survive intact without having to reinstall everything? |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | bonez44: make a backup first .. but hopefully |
| 14:08.23 | zamuro | !barbie debian |
| 14:08.28 | `ns` | dante_2core, http://pastebin.com/d403bea12 |
| 14:08.29 | abrotman | bonez44: i believe my mailman system survived the upgrade |
| 14:08.30 | bonez44 | abrotman: links? suggestions on upgrading it to etch? |
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| 14:08.34 | abrotman | !sarge->etchj |
| 14:08.34 | Polleke | bonez44, exim4 has a high breaking chance |
| 14:08.35 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 14:08.35 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> |
| 14:08.53 | abrotman | Polleke: don't you think that depends on your config? i didn't have any fail |
| 14:08.58 | GuilhermeBrant | i've done it already.sound works fine here.except flash,vlc and totem |
| 14:09.58 | Polleke | abrotman, it does yeah.. but considering the high complexity and the hunderds of ways to config it in a way it will break on upgradres |
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| 14:10.03 | dante_2core | `ns`, try and comment the "Emulate3Buttons" line or set it to "false", restart X and see what that does |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | Polleke: guess you're just special .. all mine made it :) |
| 14:10.28 | GuilhermeBrant | by the way,in XMMS I had to set the output plugin as Esound for the sound to work.May this be any problem with ALSA? |
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| 14:10.40 | abrotman | GuilhermeBrant: yes .. kill esound/esd |
| 14:10.43 | `ns` | worth a try :) |
| 14:10.55 | bonez44 | Polleke: so...how to you run exim4 too? how would one transition it through such a change? |
| 14:11.06 | theatro | uninstall esound and everything will work |
| 14:11.09 | `ns` | back shortly |
| 14:11.11 | theatro | :-} |
| 14:11.27 | GuilhermeBrant | ok,hehe,I'll try it....but what is esound for then? |
| 14:11.43 | bonez44 | Polleke: I have a better, faster system on my office LAN that I would like to point port 22 to..and 80 and 110, if I could get my email and mailman moved over there...and workable... |
| 14:11.54 | Polleke | bonez44, read /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:11.58 | bonez44 | then that would allow me to just reformat and install etch afresh..on the old box |
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| 14:13.06 | neo2dot0 | Ok, I am reinstalling. There is one problem I had in the first installation attempt, too: The package GRUB couldn't be installed under /target/. I'm told, the system will not be bootable. |
| 14:13.24 | neo2dot0 | What can I do? |
| 14:13.25 | Polleke | bonez44, I don't have experience with mailman. But that debian readme for exim4 explains most issues with upgrading and config |
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| 14:13.54 | bonez44 | ok... |
| 14:14.04 | abrotman | bonez44: i guess i should note that my mailman system uses postfix |
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| 14:14.47 | neo2dot0 | I have formatted the root partition, got no idea where the problem comes from |
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| 14:15.06 | bonez44 | abrotman: have you ever MOVED your mailman installation from one machine to another? |
| 14:15.20 | abrotman | bonez44: actually .. yes :) |
| 14:15.42 | abrotman | bonez44: but it was awhile ago .. the people in #mailman showed me some command .. let me see if i can find it |
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| 14:16.38 | deriaN | Can anyone name a good flexible stabile textbased ftp-client? |
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| 14:17.18 | zinx | deriaN: lftp? |
| 14:17.22 | GuilhermeBrant | theatro |
| 14:17.32 | deriaN | I'll look on it |
| 14:17.33 | deriaN | Thanks |
| 14:17.37 | raz0 | deriaN, nftp? |
| 14:17.41 | GuilhermeBrant | can't remove esound...If I do,it'll also remove another 108 packages |
| 14:17.44 | abrotman | bonez44: i can't recall the name of the binary .. but you'd probably start with dumping list members and list configs |
| 14:17.51 | Polleke | If I would do "iptables -I OUTPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT". And allow dns querries and port 25 tcp. And ftp to my dpkg mirror. Would I then have covered all new connections a mail/web server does? |
| 14:18.07 | `ns` | dante_2core, no joy, also tried 2 different mice, and both front usb ports |
| 14:18.21 | dante_2core | mmh |
| 14:18.48 | `ns` | maybe I'll remember eventually what I did last time :( |
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| 14:18.50 | abrotman | Polleke: probably want to use http to your mirror |
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| 14:19.04 | abrotman | Polleke: or rather .. less troublesome |
| 14:19.14 | dante_2core | `ns`, other mice work? look at the state of the usbhid and psmouse too |
| 14:19.23 | dante_2core | `ns`, other mice work? look at the state of the usbhid and psmouse modules too* |
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| 14:19.25 | keck0f | hi. |
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| 14:20.03 | keck0f | is there a tool like solaris's "snoop"-command? i'd like to do something like "snoop -d eth0". |
| 14:20.07 | `ns` | dante_2core, other mice work the same as the first .... all work fine, except no wheel action |
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| 14:20.32 | abrotman | keck0f: to sniff packets ? |
| 14:20.49 | keck0f | abrotman: yes, and to see if a cable connected... |
| 14:21.11 | dante_2core | `ns`, you're on a notebook, right? try and have a look at xorgs log for something mouse-specific |
| 14:21.12 | Polleke | abrotman, ah good call on http for that... I'm wondering if this setup is normal? |
| 14:21.26 | xingu | keck0f: tcpdump -i eth0 |
| 14:21.28 | abrotman | oh .. ethtool or mii-tool might tell you if it's connected .. but if you want to dump packets .. something like tcpdump |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | Polleke: only one way to find out! |
| 14:22.03 | `ns` | dante_2core, nope, desktop machine. usbhid, I don't have that module loaded .... could be the problem ? |
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| 14:22.38 | Polleke | abrotman, yeh I think I've tried most stuff now... one thing I can think of is a php script trying an outside connection.. debatable if you want that anyway |
| 14:23.23 | dante_2core | `ns`, dunno, usbhid handles usb input devices as far as I know - do ps/2 mouses work? try and comment the protocol line, too (in xorg.conf) |
| 14:23.26 | keck0f | xingu: thanx |
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| 14:24.16 | neo2dot0 | In the installation process, I can install neither grub nor lilo. what the heck? |
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| 14:24.37 | `ns` | hmmm, have to see if I have a ps/2 mouse around |
| 14:24.48 | dante_2core | neo2dot0, define "can't install" - what kind of error output do you get? |
| 14:24.50 | abrotman | neo2dot0: errors? |
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| 14:25.09 | DawnLight | neo2dot0: ErOrRsSsSs |
| 14:25.22 | vimalv | any one wanna make money online? |
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| 14:25.33 | DawnLight | !anyone |
| 14:25.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:25.41 | themill | vimalv: Please go away. |
| 14:25.43 | dante_2core | haha |
| 14:25.47 | dante_2core | DawnLight, good one ^^ |
| 14:25.55 | DawnLight | ;) |
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| 14:26.08 | neo2dot0 | sorry, the installer is not giving me any information |
| 14:26.19 | DawnLight | smack it on the head |
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| 14:26.53 | neo2dot0 | where can I get more verbose output? |
| 14:27.33 | `ns` | dante_2core, it won't recognize a ps/2 mouse right now, probably need to reboot for that ..... gonna try commenting out the protocol line first, and restart x |
| 14:27.46 | dante_2core | `ns`, ok, good luck. |
| 14:27.52 | Eulex | neo2dot0, does it even say why it fails? you must be getting _some_ error |
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| 14:30.52 | neo2dot0 | The debian netinst cd has this installation routine. At the point where it tries to install grub, I am just told that it failed, but that success is needed for booting. With lilo, its just the same. |
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| 14:31.35 | neo2dot0 | Package grub couldn't be installed to /target/. That's the error message. |
| 14:31.39 | RichiH | hmm, problem |
| 14:31.47 | DawnLight | neo2dot0: etch? |
| 14:31.49 | Eulex | neo2dot0, did you check the other ttys for more specific errors? |
| 14:31.50 | RichiH | i need to steal tty1 via ssh |
| 14:32.14 | neo2dot0 | DawnLight: lenny. |
| 14:32.35 | DawnLight | neo2dot0: try the etch installer |
| 14:32.37 | Eulex | neo2dot0, well, did you try the etch installer? |
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| 14:32.59 | abrotman | RichiH: steal or spy? |
| 14:33.08 | neo2dot0 | I should install Etch and update to lenny? |
| 14:33.09 | `ns` | dante_2core, no joy .... think I'm gonna have to give it a break though, 06:36 here and I need at least a bit of sleep |
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| 14:33.21 | RichiH | abrotman: either is fine, though i would prefer to control it |
| 14:33.29 | Eulex | neo2dot0, yes, that's how you usually do it, instead of using beta installers. |
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| 14:33.38 | dante_2core | `ns`, well then - good luck, anyway... come back if it won't work soon |
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| 14:33.42 | neo2dot0 | A - haaa! |
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| 14:33.57 | abrotman | RichiH: maybe detachtty or retty .. but read the descriptions on either .. if you want to snoop it's ttysnoop |
| 14:33.58 | `ns` | will do, thanks for all the help, dante_2core |
| 14:34.00 | RichiH | abrotman: my tty thought it would be a great idea to set the display something my monitor can't display |
| 14:34.02 | abrotman | i think |
| 14:34.07 | neo2dot0 | well, then... I'll try it this way. |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | RichiH: like english? :) |
| 14:34.25 | RichiH | abrotman: ugh, that includes installing new software |
| 14:34.27 | yy | Could anyone perceive of a problem that might arise as a result of a client LDAP machine NFS-loading a server home drive? |
| 14:34.37 | RichiH | and the thing that i need to re-attach is.. apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 14:34.43 | RichiH | \o/ |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | RichiH: you could download it and unpack it manually :) |
| 14:35.02 | RichiH | eww :p |
| 14:35.03 | dante_2core | RichiH, ^^ |
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| 14:35.27 | abrotman | RichiH: well .. yes ew, but certainly doable |
| 14:35.45 | RichiH | abrotman: hmm, does dpkg lock, as well? or only the higher level front-ends? |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | RichiH: it might depends which phase it is in |
| 14:36.14 | dante_2core | abrotman, is killing aptitude dist-upgrade a big risk? or is it able to fix itself again? (don't hit me ;)) |
| 14:36.42 | abrotman | dante_2core: again .. depends where it is in the process |
| 14:36.50 | dante_2core | I see |
| 14:36.51 | abrotman | dante_2core: usually you can fix it |
| 14:37.16 | dante_2core | abrotman, well I had this one thing where I removed libc6 (yes, hit me now) and had to reinstall it by hand via a livecd... _that_ sucked |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | dante_2core: that seems like a horrible idea! :) |
| 14:38.20 | dante_2core | abrotman, ^^ I copied all files in place by hand, and it worked again - actually a short one, if I hadn't forgotten one file on the first try -.- |
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| 14:38.39 | abrotman | that'll teach you to copy! |
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| 14:39.06 | dante_2core | rofl |
| 14:40.10 | dante_2core | mmh me head hurts - i'll be afk... good luck RichiH n' bai guys |
| 14:40.27 | RichiH | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 14:40.27 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 14:40.33 | RichiH | oh, shut up |
| 14:40.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:40.43 | abrotman | kline the bastard! |
| 14:40.46 | RichiH | anyway, off to manual install, i fear |
| 14:40.56 | RichiH | i suspect dondelelcaro might object |
| 14:41.10 | RichiH | http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/retty/filelist |
| 14:41.18 | RichiH | well, at least that's not too bad, now is it? |
| 14:41.56 | abrotman | RichiH: i suppose technically .. you can just do the bins .. though i guess you'd want the man pages to learn how to use it :) |
| 14:42.11 | macondo | hi, i installed lenny and the package 'menu', but it doesn't appear, any way to make it appear? |
| 14:42.17 | keck0f | exit |
| 14:42.34 | abrotman | macondo: menu-xdg ? |
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| 14:42.39 | abrotman | macondo: and what would you like it to do? |
| 14:42.40 | macondo | ok |
| 14:43.09 | macondo | abrotman: to appear of course, to give me the list of apps |
| 14:44.38 | Eulex | macondo, did you read the package description? |
| 14:45.10 | macondo | Eulex, which package? menu? |
| 14:45.19 | Eulex | macondo, yes? |
| 14:45.49 | macondo | Eulex: no. i install it with any wm i use |
| 14:46.20 | RichiH | weeeeeeeeeee! |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | RichiH: workie? |
| 14:46.34 | RichiH | abrotman: indeedy |
| 14:46.37 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:46.45 | RichiH | the cookie of the day goes to abrotman |
| 14:46.52 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
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| 14:47.03 | RichiH | also, i now know a suggestion for deb-a-day |
| 14:47.14 | abrotman | RichiH: ah .. yeah .. that'd be a decent one |
| 14:47.34 | macondo | Eulex, i just read it, nothing new, what's up? |
| 14:47.41 | RichiH | yah |
| 14:47.56 | RichiH | that thing could of saved me metric shit-tons of work in the past |
| 14:48.04 | abrotman | you didn't ask before! |
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| 14:48.52 | RichiH | i did |
| 14:48.58 | RichiH | but you prolly were not around |
| 14:48.59 | Eulex | macondo, it tells you what the package does. and should make you retarget your question. |
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| 14:49.13 | RichiH | matter of fact, i just asked to vent frustration, not expecting an answer :p |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | oh .. sorry .. i'll be more useless next time |
| 14:49.50 | RichiH | hehe |
| 14:51.32 | macondo | Eulex, without being disrespectful, i know what the package does, that is why i install it, it's just missing, i will try 'menu-xdg' as soon i finish installing OOo. |
| 14:52.47 | Eulex | macondo, as it states, your window manager or desktop environment is what does the displaying of the menu |
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| 14:56.48 | macondo | Eulex, i got ratpoison and icewm installed, it doesn't appear in any of them, and it asks me if i installed the package 'menu', which i did |
| 14:58.06 | Eulex | macondo, if it doesn't work, I'd suggest filing a bug against either the window manager or the menu package, whichever is the more likelier choice |
| 14:58.35 | macondo | Eulex: thx, will do |
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| 14:59.03 | Eulex | *cause |
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| 15:08.14 | CharminTheMoose | do I need build-essential if I want to build stuff from source on debian? |
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| 15:13.53 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, yes. |
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| 15:14.52 | CharminTheMoose | thanks Eulex |
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| 15:19.38 | war9407 | Anyone know if its possible to run XP64 or Vista64 on Linux x86_64-- in any freely available emulator/VM? Xen? |
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| 15:23.56 | xingu | war9407: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Status |
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| 15:24.56 | war9407 | xingu: wow |
| 15:25.00 | war9407 | xingu: have you tried it? |
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| 15:28.13 | xand | how can you list the contents of a package that's not installed? (like dpkg -L) |
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| 15:31.09 | jwl | xand: I don't know if there's anything like dpkg -L, but you could try http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/<package name>/filelist |
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| 15:31.27 | xand | jwl: thanks, that'll do |
| 15:31.30 | die7 | hehe i have 10 ip addresses in hosts.deny (i use denyhost) in 5 min from china |
| 15:31.54 | die7 | all ssh scanning |
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| 15:32.08 | munken | Hey there |
| 15:32.25 | war9407 | xingu: have you had luck trying a 64bit install by any chance? |
| 15:32.57 | die7 | munken: is your nick mean m?nchen |
| 15:33.21 | munken | Hm? |
| 15:33.23 | munken | It means donut |
| 15:33.34 | die7 | ok |
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| 15:34.01 | munken | Anyhow, I'm having troubles getting my sound to work. It finds the soundcard and alsamixer is on 100% |
| 15:34.05 | munken | But still I'm not getting anything |
| 15:34.16 | cyzie | hi, i have a package that write to /etc/ppp/options which /etc/ppp/options is owned by ppp package, what's the best way to deal in this scenario ? |
| 15:34.50 | die7 | munken: notebook or desktop pc |
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| 15:34.58 | ForgeAus | are there debian packages for interix? |
| 15:35.01 | munken | It's indeed a laptop. |
| 15:35.18 | die7 | wich laptop? |
| 15:35.25 | munken | Zepto |
| 15:35.34 | die7 | zepto and? |
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| 15:35.59 | munken | Znote3215W |
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| 15:36.27 | die7 | hehe they coast 375 euro |
| 15:36.32 | salvin | for xchat: |
| 15:36.34 | salvin | *!*@*.host |
| 15:36.40 | salvin | *!*@domain |
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| 15:36.45 | munken | die7: year, they're cheap - but I won this so. :D |
| 15:37.00 | munken | But it has some upgrades, so 'bout 500€ |
| 15:37.05 | die7 | ok |
| 15:37.39 | jelly-ho | salvin: ? |
| 15:37.51 | salvin | but isn't it the contrary? |
| 15:38.06 | die7 | munken: is AD1884 sound card in |
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| 15:38.21 | munken | Er, how do you mean? |
| 15:38.22 | jelly-ho | salvin: what's your question? |
| 15:38.30 | salvin | *!*@*.domain and *!*@host ? |
| 15:39.00 | jelly-ho | salvin: probably a typo; what's the context? |
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| 15:39.25 | salvin | jelly-ho, the kick/ban menu |
| 15:39.50 | jelly-ho | salvin: ah. nice catch. file a bug. :-) |
| 15:39.52 | bmm | I've done a "rm -rf /etc/exim4" but no "apt-get install --reinstall exim4 exim4-config exim4-base" seems to be able to bring the configuration files back, what is going wrong? |
| 15:40.11 | petemc | !confmiss |
| 15:40.12 | die7 | munken: make lspci and paste to pastebin |
| 15:40.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 15:40.46 | jelly-ho | !tell salvin about reportbug |
| 15:40.52 | bmm | petemc: thanks! |
| 15:40.58 | petemc | np |
| 15:41.08 | munken | http://paste.debian.net/49351 die7 |
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| 15:42.36 | die7 | munken: ok and now lsmod |
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| 15:44.02 | munken | http://paste.debian.net/49352 die7 |
| 15:46.01 | die7 | http://linux.seindal.dk/2008/01/28/zepto-znote-3215w-with-debian-testinglenny/: read this |
| 15:46.18 | die7 | munken: link is for you |
| 15:46.27 | munken | Thanks |
| 15:46.27 | munken | :) |
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| 15:46.52 | die7 | without : |
| 15:47.25 | die7 | like you see u need new kernel |
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| 15:52.17 | CalJohn | is there any way to send an attachment (ie, pdf file) via email on the command line. i don't think unix mail can do this. |
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| 15:52.54 | petemc | CalJohn: mutt |
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| 15:53.09 | Havis | listen to this :) http://www.mcplusplus.com/downloads/ |
| 15:53.27 | CalJohn | petemc: i mean, a program that could be used as part of a script |
| 15:53.32 | petemc | CalJohn: right, mutt |
| 15:53.48 | kirillov | hi, need help on a lenny upgrade.. i've a trouble with libungif4g, apt ask me to force with loopbreak.. what have to do? |
| 15:53.54 | CalJohn | petemc: oh really. quick examlpe? |
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| 15:54.18 | ki | http://HORNYSISTERS.partyblog.info/?id=56048d84 |
| 15:54.19 | munken | I have another problem though, die7 |
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| 15:54.31 | die7 | munken: say |
| 15:54.32 | munken | I can't edit my touchpad-settings |
| 15:54.39 | munken | I have SHMConfig "true" in my xorg.conf |
| 15:54.46 | munken | But gsynaptics still tells me to add it |
| 15:54.51 | petemc | CalJohn: mutt -a foo.pdf -s hello foo@bar |
| 15:55.01 | CalJohn | petemc: mutt -a foo.pdf bar@baz ? |
| 15:55.08 | petemc | aye |
| 15:55.09 | CalJohn | petemc: heh, thanks |
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| 15:55.55 | munken | http://paste.debian.net/49340 <- theres my xorg.conf, die7 |
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| 15:56.25 | die7 | munken: hm let me think |
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| 15:57.08 | munken | okay |
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| 15:58.36 | kirillov | anyone here has lenny upgraded?? |
| 15:58.47 | die7 | me |
| 15:59.01 | kirillov | i've a big upgrade problem with libungif4g package |
| 15:59.22 | die7 | hm |
| 15:59.35 | kirillov | apt ask me to force the installation |
| 15:59.42 | die7 | munken: is your BIOS up to date |
| 15:59.43 | kirillov | with loopbreak |
| 15:59.44 | wols | !tell kirillov about bat |
| 16:00.03 | kirillov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.29 | wols | kirillov: read |
| 16:00.35 | kirillov | i'm reading |
| 16:01.46 | ForgeAus | whats 5:47 mean as a version number for KDE? |
| 16:02.05 | ForgeAus | as from http://debian-interix.net/pkglists/archall.html.gz |
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| 16:02.47 | die7 | munken: do you speak german? |
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| 16:03.08 | peppe | ForgeAus: if you're referring to "kde" package, that is just a metapackage that installs all the kde modules. its version number is irrilevant |
| 16:03.11 | pred2k3 | hi, how to autostart xserver? |
| 16:03.28 | die7 | just instal it |
| 16:03.31 | peppe | pred2k3: install a x login manager (xdm, gdm, kdm) |
| 16:03.31 | pred2k3 | I did |
| 16:03.43 | pred2k3 | I installed xserver and xfce |
| 16:03.52 | die7 | xorg u mean |
| 16:03.54 | kirillov | wols: i made a post |
| 16:04.11 | pred2k3 | "x-window-core-system" |
| 16:04.17 | pred2k3 | that what I installed |
| 16:05.03 | ForgeAus | so how do I find out what version the packages the metapackage loads is? |
| 16:05.03 | die7 | u can try to edit xinitrc |
| 16:05.04 | pred2k3 | wasnt that right peppe? |
| 16:05.04 | peppe | pred2k3: no. install xorg |
| 16:05.11 | ForgeAus | kde should be version 3.5.x or 4 right? |
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| 16:05.27 | pred2k3 | is already new |
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| 16:05.39 | pred2k3 | Im going to reboot now |
| 16:05.40 | peppe | ForgeAus: apt-cache depends kde shows "kde" package dependencies, apt-cache show $dependency then |
| 16:06.10 | ForgeAus | peppe lol ok I'm along way from worrying about kde versions in that case |
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| 16:06.23 | pred2k3 | he doenst start x |
| 16:06.24 | pred2k3 | hm |
| 16:06.27 | ForgeAus | I don't have bash, apt or even wget yet! |
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| 16:06.50 | ForgeAus | interix is very bare-bones and I really don't know much about ksh and/or csh |
| 16:06.59 | peppe | pred2k3: oh, sorry, it is x-window-*system*-core. that depends upon xorg, so it's ok. then install a login manager, as I said (xdm, gdm, kdm) |
| 16:07.09 | pred2k3 | doing so right now |
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| 16:07.54 | kirillov | hi, need help on a big lenny upgrade.. problems with the package libungif4g http://paste.debian.net/49354 |
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| 16:08.17 | pred2k3 | bah, how ugly xdm is, why havent you told me :> |
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| 16:08.21 | akuwamari | i need a good name to my radio program about Free Software |
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| 16:08.24 | akuwamari | any idea? |
| 16:08.35 | akuwamari | and Slogan too |
| 16:08.50 | SchwarzeKrause | Hi, all. How should one establish wireless connection with wifi-radar? I've installed ipw3945 and the wifi-radar itself - what next? |
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| 16:09.47 | liable | isnt wifi radar a sniffing kind of program? |
| 16:09.56 | kirillov | wols: http://paste.debian.net/49354 any idea? |
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| 16:11.46 | aedion | !libapache2-mod-fcgi |
| 16:11.50 | aedion | libapache2-mod-fcgi? |
| 16:11.56 | aedion | uhm |
| 16:12.14 | aedion | is libapache2-mod-fcgi the same as php5-fcgid? |
| 16:12.31 | die7 | liable: just a litle kind of sniffing prog |
| 16:14.06 | peppe | aedion: what's php5-fcgid? |
| 16:14.27 | peppe | kirillov: you're upgrading from etch? |
| 16:14.37 | kirillov | lenny |
| 16:14.40 | kirillov | testing |
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| 16:14.56 | aedion | pepe: fast-cgi-daemon |
| 16:15.28 | aedion | pepe: runs x php binaries for faster parsing as far as i am informed |
| 16:15.33 | peppe | kirillov: FROM etch to lenny (testing)? |
| 16:15.34 | kirillov | peppe: what problem could be that? |
| 16:15.44 | aedion | pepe = peppe |
| 16:15.54 | SchwarzeKrause | liable: No, it's used to automize all that kind of wi-fi routines |
| 16:16.00 | kirillov | peppe: i've always testing repos! |
| 16:16.29 | phil | is there a way to get a file from a package? for instance, if i need the startup script of postfix (/etc/init.d/postfix), what would i need to do? |
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| 16:16.34 | HSorgYves | morning |
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| 16:18.24 | peppe | phil: 1) find the package that contains that file 2) take it 3) open it 4) take the file. maybe there is a better way but this is simple enough |
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| 16:19.21 | liable | SchwarzeKrause: oh. then run it as root and see what happens |
| 16:19.33 | HSorgYves | i have a problem using tar; even if I use the -P (--absolute-names) option, I get the note "removing leading '/' from member names" |
| 16:19.38 | kirillov | peppe: so? how u can see i've always used testing repository.. the dependence problem is a debian problem |
| 16:19.44 | wols | kirillov: test remove libungif4g and see what it wants to remove |
| 16:20.04 | wols | kirillov: or apt-ge install libungif4g first, then dist-upgrade |
| 16:20.36 | SchwarzeKrause | liable: It seems that it is connected, but I can get no traffic through that (this is a WLAN DSL modem) |
| 16:21.01 | HSorgYves | upps found the error |
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| 16:21.19 | liable | SchwarzeKrause: check youe iwconfig output and also route output. i have never used it, so may be of little help |
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| 16:22.22 | kirillov | wols: with apt-get remove it want to uninstall these packs adesklets efl-all enlightenment fbdesk fluxbox gkrellm-hdplop idesk imlib11 libimlib2 libimlib2-dev |
| 16:22.22 | kirillov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.29 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 16:22.29 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945".. As of 2.6.24 in the kernel tree, see the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 16:22.57 | liable | what triggered that? |
| 16:23.01 | wols | kirillov: do it. make a note what it uninstalls and reinstall it afterwads when the dist-upgrade is done |
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| 16:23.29 | wols | liable: I did. I'm not a what tho |
| 16:23.38 | bkw__ | wols: hmm, what the url to the guys site who had made debian etch installation with later kernels? pikau, haiku, cant recall his name |
| 16:23.49 | wols | !tell bkw__ about kmuto |
| 16:24.01 | liable | wols: what made you do it, and i'll refrain from saying what i describe you as .. :P |
| 16:24.02 | bkw__ | thanks |
| 16:24.17 | wols | liable: but I wanna know what you describe me as! |
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| 16:24.33 | kirillov | wols: anyway apt warn me that these essential package will be removed too! efl-all libungif4g (a causa di efl-all) libimlib2 (a causa di efl-all) libimlib2-dev (a causa di efl-all) |
| 16:24.49 | liable | not a messiah, a very naughty boy.. |
| 16:24.53 | wols | liable: he "installed ipw3945" but didn't say anything about firmware,daemon,etc |
| 16:24.53 | kirillov | apt warn me that it's a dangerous operation |
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| 16:25.20 | wols | !info efl-all |
| 16:25.31 | peppe | efl-all?? |
| 16:25.36 | wols | kirillov: what is efl-all ? |
| 16:25.49 | wols | kirillov: apt-cache policy efl-all |
| 16:25.52 | kirillov | i'm googling it |
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| 16:26.07 | wols | don't google. use the line I gave you |
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| 16:26.18 | peppe | wols: five bucks, a package he installed that messed hup his system |
| 16:26.21 | peppe | *up |
| 16:26.39 | jelly-ho | extremely fragile language? |
| 16:26.51 | wols | peppe: I pretty much already think he uses non debian software from some shitty ass 3rd party repo |
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| 16:27.11 | kirillov | wols: efl-all: |
| 16:27.12 | kirillov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.12 | kirillov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.12 | kirillov | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.12 | kirillov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.27 | wols | sigh |
| 16:27.35 | jelly-ho | using LANG=C with apt helps too |
| 16:27.36 | liable | noone got the reference.. |
| 16:28.07 | wols | liable: I'm pissed that you don't see me as the 2nd coming of jesus |
| 16:28.19 | peppe | wow, a almost-2-years-old cvs version of whatever-is-efl |
| 16:28.31 | jelly-ho | wols: you mean 2nd coming of brian? |
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| 16:28.58 | pred2k3 | how to create snapshots? |
| 16:29.04 | wols | peppe: guess where it is from. the things he alreday wrote in the channel here give you a big hint |
| 16:29.08 | pred2k3 | is there an easy to use softwre? |
| 16:29.15 | kirillov | wols: ii efl-all cvs20060518 A complete EFL libs of Enlightenment 17 |
| 16:29.19 | wols | pred2k3: dd? |
| 16:29.35 | wols | kirillov: is asked you something. you didn't do it |
| 16:29.43 | pred2k3 | with gui? |
| 16:29.54 | wols | pred2k3: xterm is a gui, right? |
| 16:30.05 | jelly-ho | kirillov: use a pastebin like http://paste.debian.net/ and paste the complete output of "LANG=C apt-cache policy efl-all" |
| 16:30.09 | wols | !backup |
| 16:30.09 | dpkg | i heard backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1> |
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| 16:30.41 | wols | jelly-ho: no need. it's clear as day where it's come from. especially after the last dpkg -l paste in here |
| 16:31.07 | pred2k3 | hrhr |
| 16:31.08 | wols | kirillov: ask the enlightenment folks why they name their CVS shit "essential" |
| 16:31.10 | peppe | things like "you messed up your system using e17 packages from an unknown-and-not-trustworthy source that says that libungif4g is «essential»" |
| 16:32.01 | kirillov | wols: please, my debian has more than 2 years old.. i don't remember when i tried to install enlightenment! |
| 16:32.12 | kirillov | i never used it |
| 16:32.45 | kirillov | the question is: can i uninstall with any problems? |
| 16:33.02 | pred2k3 | is enlightement faster than kde or gnome? |
| 16:33.14 | peppe | who knows? if it has an "rm -rf /" in its postrm? |
| 16:33.42 | kirillov | ok thanks for the help |
| 16:33.49 | wols | kirillov: yes you can |
| 16:33.51 | kirillov | i'll take the risk |
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| 16:34.28 | kirillov | thank bye |
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| 16:37.41 | ForgeAus | um do .sh files work without bash? |
| 16:38.15 | ForgeAus | I think I can get portage more easily to interix with a script, which means not by debian |
| 16:38.25 | jelly-ho | ForgeAus: usually, the .sh extension refers to one scripts requirement of /bin/sh |
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| 16:39.03 | ForgeAus | um there is no /sh under bin |
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| 16:39.47 | Zesturian | is there a command I can use to find out the ram type in the machine? |
| 16:39.53 | ForgeAus | csh and ksh but no /bin/sh |
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| 16:40.20 | ForgeAus | I have a portage.sh script |
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| 16:40.30 | ForgeAus | interix is very barebones |
| 16:40.31 | jelly-ho | ForgeAus: your system is not POSIX compliant. All bets are off. It might have /sbin/sh. or /bin/ksh might work. Or your scripts might be written by penguins. |
| 16:40.42 | ForgeAus | yes it is posix compliant |
| 16:40.49 | ForgeAus | Microsoft Services for Unix |
| 16:41.01 | ForgeAus | at least they tell me it is posix compliant |
| 16:41.01 | jelly-ho | no, it's not else it would have /bin/sh |
| 16:41.30 | ForgeAus | oh wait a file sh? |
| 16:41.36 | ForgeAus | I was looking for a directory |
| 16:41.39 | ForgeAus | brb checkin |
| 16:41.53 | ForgeAus | yes there is a file sh |
| 16:42.04 | jelly-ho | in any case, this is not #SFU |
| 16:42.05 | Nyle | hey I can't get to this wire, but I want to turn off the pc speaker, which module should I blacklist? |
| 16:42.15 | Nyle | Good Morning too |
| 16:42.21 | ForgeAus | lol that channel is empty jelly |
| 16:42.24 | Nyle | SFU? |
| 16:42.27 | Nyle | Six Feet Under? |
| 16:42.31 | ForgeAus | Services for Unix |
| 16:42.33 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:42.34 | Nyle | :D |
| 16:42.35 | ForgeAus | (also known as Interix) |
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| 16:42.43 | ForgeAus | which is a *nix subsystem for Windows |
| 16:42.45 | jelly-ho | ForgeAus: ##windows isn't empty |
| 16:42.47 | Nyle | I just can't find the module for the pc speaker |
| 16:42.52 | jelly-ho | pcspkr |
| 16:42.52 | ForgeAus | yes jelly I'm there |
| 16:42.58 | Nyle | I'm sick of having to do xset b off |
| 16:42.59 | Nyle | etc. |
| 16:43.12 | jelly-ho | Nyle: ^^ |
| 16:43.14 | Nyle | oh |
| 16:43.15 | Nyle | thanks |
| 16:43.17 | Nyle | you da man |
| 16:43.18 | ForgeAus | but you don't really expect ##Windows to support interix do you? |
| 16:43.28 | Nyle | I need to find a western union |
| 16:43.29 | phil | after upgrading from sarge to etch, i can't login via ssh anymore. when i try to login via using my password (with the key, it still works), i get "Connection to foo closed by remote host." |
| 16:43.33 | jelly-ho | ForgeAus: I don't expect #debian to, either |
| 16:43.43 | ForgeAus | lol I'm there too |
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| 16:43.53 | phil | what oculd that be? |
| 16:43.55 | ForgeAus | and there are Debian packages for interix I just don't yet know how to get apt there to try them |
| 16:43.55 | jelly-ho | ForgeAus: this IS #debian! :-) |
| 16:43.56 | Zesturian | aha, dmidecode -t memory |
| 16:44.05 | ForgeAus | oh wait wrong channel then |
| 16:44.09 | ForgeAus | I thought IW as on Gentoo |
| 16:44.11 | ForgeAus | I'm getting confused |
| 16:44.12 | Nyle | jelly-ho: -t with memory? |
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| 16:44.18 | Nyle | I thought -t was a type ## |
| 16:44.27 | Nyle | not jelly-ho * |
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| 16:46.59 | Nyle | phil: you get logged in with your password, and then immedietly D/C |
| 16:46.59 | Nyle | ? |
| 16:47.04 | Nyle | !ping |
| 16:47.04 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:47.10 | phil | Nyle: yeah |
| 16:47.23 | phil | log says that: sshd[16550]: fatal: PAM: pam_setcred(): Permission denied |
| 16:47.31 | Nyle | hm |
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| 16:47.39 | phil | in fact i don't even get logged in |
| 16:48.00 | Nyle | so you are not getting logged in |
| 16:48.10 | phil | yep |
| 16:48.15 | tziku | can somebody help me please with this problem: http://pastebin.com/d3d14fe33 . When i want to ping from "89.34.4.2" to "89.34.4.2" is not working i have this error: "connect: Invalid argument" . |
| 16:48.43 | dante_2core | tziku, so you want to ping your local host? |
| 16:48.48 | tziku | yup |
| 16:49.23 | Nyle | phil: can you pastebin the contents of /etc/pam.d/sshd |
| 16:49.52 | Nyle | ssh* |
| 16:50.03 | phil | Nyle: sure, sec |
| 16:50.39 | Nyle | phil: minus the comments pref. |
| 16:50.39 | dante_2core | tziku, that's weird - I see you have network, and you can ping the router - must be something about iptables |
| 16:50.44 | dante_2core | or sohould, i'm not sure |
| 16:50.48 | HSorgYves | is echo in a bash script different from /bin/echo ? |
| 16:50.54 | phil | Nyle: http://pastebin.com/m2941ee3b |
| 16:50.56 | phil | Nyle: oh, sry |
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| 16:51.03 | tziku | dante_2core iptables is empty.... |
| 16:51.03 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
| 16:51.06 | Nyle | np |
| 16:51.11 | Nyle | I'll take a quick peak |
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| 16:51.20 | tziku | dante_2core i can ping any host...only localhost i can't |
| 16:51.21 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
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| 16:51.30 | dante_2core | tziku, works here... ping localhost won't work too? |
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| 16:51.58 | Nyle | phil: I also would like to see your /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 16:52.05 | tziku | dante_2core ping to localhosr or 127.0.0.1 is pinging but no answer...and i have no firewall |
| 16:52.06 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
| 16:52.10 | phil | Nyle: sec |
| 16:52.22 | dante_2core | what? tziku, you don't get ping answer from locahlost? |
| 16:52.26 | dante_2core | localhost* |
| 16:52.31 | tziku | yup.. dante_2core |
| 16:52.31 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
| 16:52.58 | Nyle | man I need to get high |
| 16:53.02 | phil | Nyle: http://pastebin.com/m69cdda34 |
| 16:53.05 | Nyle | sec |
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| 16:53.08 | peppe | tziku: your network configuration is messed up, your loopback interface hasn't an ipv4 address |
| 16:53.41 | Nyle | phil: change line 52 to no |
| 16:53.46 | Nyle | phil: restart sshd, try again |
| 16:53.49 | tziku | peppe i set my network with: "ifconfig eth0 89.34.4.2 netmask 255.255.248.0" ...and i have same problem |
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| 16:54.51 | tziku | peppe if you ping from your computer or my or any computer to 89.34.4.2 is working...i am logged with ssh on 89.34.4.2... |
| 16:55.30 | Nyle | phil: still there? |
| 16:55.36 | phil | Nyle: yep, one sec |
| 16:55.44 | phil | just started a second ssh process in case it goes wrong |
| 16:55.50 | Nyle | good man |
| 16:55.54 | Nyle | wont' matter though |
| 16:56.22 | Nyle | you logged in via ssh, upgraded, and now can't login with ssh anymore but still have that one session up? |
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| 16:56.26 | Nyle | weird |
| 16:56.30 | phil | Nyle: right |
| 16:56.39 | phil | i usually login via key |
| 16:56.41 | Nyle | let me know that possible solution turns out |
| 16:56.45 | phil | so this still works |
| 16:56.47 | Nyle | if * |
| 16:56.51 | Nyle | how* |
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| 16:56.55 | Nyle | wtf was I trying to say |
| 16:57.06 | phil | no, didn't work :/ |
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| 16:57.10 | Nyle | let me know how that possible solution turns out (my grammar is horrible) |
| 16:57.52 | Nyle | phil: I thought you might have been the victim of the pam_setcred() call bug, but nevermind |
| 16:57.53 | peppe | tziku: ok, but there are for sure other problems. your lo interface has not an ipv4 address and that's not normal |
| 16:58.07 | phil | Nyle: any other ideas? :/ |
| 16:58.19 | Nyle | trying to think |
| 16:58.39 | tziku | peppe and what can i do ? please help me |
| 16:58.54 | dante_2core | tziku, any network-manager stuff running? |
| 16:58.57 | Nyle | phil: user have a pw? |
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| 16:59.04 | phil | Nyle: yep |
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| 16:59.10 | tziku | dante_2core how can i check that ? |
| 16:59.11 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
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| 16:59.36 | dante_2core | ps aflx |
| 17:00.07 | tziku | and what process must run ? |
| 17:00.26 | dante_2core | network-manager or something |
| 17:00.28 | dante_2core | wait i'll check |
| 17:01.01 | dante_2core | do: ps aflx | grep -i net |
| 17:01.04 | dante_2core | and paste output |
| 17:01.11 | dante_2core | brb |
| 17:01.23 | tziku | 5 0 2447 1 16 0 1668 624 - Ss ? 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd |
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| 17:01.40 | peppe | tziku: /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 17:02.14 | Nyle | phil: check the libpam package bugs on debian bts for etch |
| 17:02.16 | tziku | i have nothing here all with # because i use dhclient. |
| 17:02.23 | phil | Nyle: ok |
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| 17:03.52 | dante_2core | tziku, looks fine |
| 17:04.21 | dante_2core | tziku, try n' restart inetd |
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| 17:04.30 | dante_2core | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.52 | tziku | -bash: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.24 | dante_2core | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:06.08 | tziku | same problem...i restart computer...and restart full computer and still have this problem |
| 17:07.45 | dante_2core | this is weird. |
| 17:08.04 | RaymondX | hello, does openoffice writer need gnome .... i'm using fluxbox so i don't want any of those gnome files hogging my ram. |
| 17:08.19 | peppe | tziku: paste /etc/network/interfaces please |
| 17:08.19 | dante_2core | RaymondX, no it doesn't afaik |
| 17:09.06 | tziku | peppe: http://pastebin.com/m2f796809 |
| 17:09.48 | peppe | RaymondX: do apt-get install openoffice.org-writer and see if it wants to install gnome stuff too :) |
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| 17:10.13 | jelly-ho | tziku: why is everything in it commented out? uncomment lo lines |
| 17:10.14 | peppe | tziku: yeah, and what about enabling loopback interface? |
| 17:10.28 | jelly-ho | tziku: and then do "ifup lo" |
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| 17:11.06 | dante_2core | gotta go |
| 17:11.07 | dante_2core | bye |
| 17:11.21 | tziku | bye :) |
| 17:11.49 | tziku | peppe i enable "lo" lines, restart network and write again "dhclient" and i have same problem. |
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| 17:12.49 | peppe | tziku: paste again ifconfig, iptables, etc. |
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| 17:12.58 | tziku | peppe i solve problem :) |
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| 17:13.38 | tziku | look: http://pastebin.com/m6408116e thanks for all to all who help me. And thanks again to jelly-ho ;)) |
| 17:13.50 | peppe | tziku: you don't. winston wolf solves problems |
| 17:14.42 | tziku | yup :) |
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| 17:16.00 | jelly-ho | tziku: use that file to configure your network instead of doing it manually. man interfaces |
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| 17:16.12 | tziku | so happy |
| 17:16.12 | kirillov | wols: all is gone right :) |
| 17:16.13 | RaymondX | do flashdrives appear in /media/ too? |
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| 17:16.36 | wols | RaymondX: afaik yes |
| 17:17.10 | kirillov | you was right about efl-all.. this shitty package! i don't remember were i took it |
| 17:17.14 | jelly-ho | tziku: you'll probably want something like the simples "inet static" example in "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" |
| 17:17.27 | wols | kirillov: some repo for E17 |
| 17:17.35 | kirillov | maybe |
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| 17:17.41 | jelly-ho | kirillov: apt-cache policy would tell you where, if the repo still exists |
| 17:17.51 | dacs | good morning all |
| 17:17.54 | kirillov | anyway i've another little trouble |
| 17:17.54 | wols | tziku: didn't I tell you hors ago to fix your interfaces file? |
| 17:18.15 | dacs | i am looking for a flight simulator for linux |
| 17:18.17 | tziku | yup...you told me but i don't know how :D |
| 17:18.20 | kirillov | gdm daemon starts but don't login |
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| 17:18.33 | wols | 11:22 < wols> !tell tziku about interfaces |
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| 17:18.39 | wols | that was 7 hours ago :) |
| 17:18.44 | kirillov | everytime i've to login root in shell and type "gdm" |
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| 17:19.03 | kirillov | it was 2 upgrades ago |
| 17:19.13 | wols | kirillov: man update-rc.d |
| 17:19.34 | wols | kirillov: in the end there must be a symlink /etc/rc2.d/S98gdm -> ../init.d/grm |
| 17:19.41 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.51 | wols | S99gdm rather |
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| 17:22.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 17:23.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm having trouble running KTorrent, can anyone help me out please? |
| 17:23.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | ktorrent: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libktorrent-2.2.5.so: undefined symbol: lstat64 |
| 17:23.46 | Polleke | where did you get this package Dark_Apostrophe? |
| 17:23.56 | sparr_ | sounds like your ktorrent and libktorrent dont match |
| 17:24.25 | sn0 | Dark_Apostrophe see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465839 |
| 17:24.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Polleke: From debian's repo |
| 17:24.57 | sn0 | it will be added to sid in the next day or so |
| 17:25.02 | mx-zoom | hello there. does anyone know if it there is any app to choose icons independantly, instead of selecting an entire iconset? |
| 17:25.23 | kirillov | wols: it's S30gdm.. but i've no understand what to do |
| 17:25.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | sn0: Okay, thanks |
| 17:25.31 | sn0 | np |
| 17:25.36 | sn0 | first hit on google, FYI |
| 17:25.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | sn0: Is there a way to make Debian install an older version without manually downloading it? |
| 17:25.42 | rdz | how can i get a list of all installed packages? |
| 17:25.56 | wols | kirillov: S30gdm is wrong |
| 17:26.04 | wols | it's normally S99gdm |
| 17:26.11 | wols | kirillov: what debian is this? |
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| 17:26.20 | kirillov | wols i've S30 |
| 17:26.24 | kirillov | it's testing |
| 17:26.33 | wols | dpkg -l gdm |
| 17:26.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching gdm |
| 17:26.39 | wols | what does it say? |
| 17:27.03 | kirillov | ii gdm 2.20.3-1 GNOME Display Manager |
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| 17:28.50 | rdz | hm.. i think 'ls /var/cache/apt/archives/' was sufficient for what i want... |
| 17:29.01 | kirillov | wols: it's gdm from testing repo |
| 17:29.13 | kirillov | i've controlled right now |
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| 17:30.54 | wols | kirillov: if it is at S30 it should start. even if it's a bit early |
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| 17:32.02 | kirillov | wols: so it's a gdm trouble, i can do nothin about it? |
| 17:32.53 | wols | are you in X right now? |
| 17:33.05 | wols | exit it and gdm and do a /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 17:33.10 | wols | see if it gomes up |
| 17:33.17 | maelstrom | why isn't pidgin available in apt ? |
| 17:33.18 | wols | if it does. amybe set it to S99 instead of S30 |
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| 17:33.30 | wols | !tell maelstrom about pidgin |
| 17:34.00 | azeem | wols: gdm is now at S30 by default, FTR |
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| 17:34.30 | maelstrom | that tells me that gaim is now pidgin. not why i can't get pidgin |
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| 17:34.47 | azeem | maelstrom: because by the time etch released, it was still gaim |
| 17:34.48 | wols | azeem: why so soon? what happened when I can't login anyways until S99rmnologin or is that on S30 too? |
| 17:34.53 | maelstrom | oh |
| 17:35.24 | azeem | no, it's still at S99 |
| 17:35.42 | wols | azeem: so what happens when gdm is up and I want to log in? kinde bad, no? |
| 17:35.47 | azeem | wols: I guess the point is that starting X takes a while anyway, so you can parallize |
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| 17:36.16 | wols | debian sysvinit is parallelizing now? thought it was always sequenctial |
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| 17:36.39 | kirillov | thanks for the help :) |
| 17:36.51 | kirillov | have a good day |
| 17:37.07 | azeem | wols: if you start X at S99, it takes till S148 or so till you can actually start typing in your login anyway |
| 17:37.21 | azeem | if you start it at S30, you're able to login by the time the rest hits 99 |
| 17:37.36 | azeem | if not, I assume gdm sits idle till you can or whatever |
| 17:37.40 | azeem | in practise, it works |
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| 17:41.10 | maelstrom | is it typical that apt has outdated versions of software ? apparently it is several releases behind on amarok as well |
| 17:41.25 | azeem | maelstrom: are you talking about ethcch? |
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| 17:41.27 | azeem | etch* |
| 17:41.28 | azeem | then yes |
| 17:41.39 | maelstrom | =( |
| 17:41.46 | wols | !tell maelstrom about stable |
| 17:41.49 | wols | !tell maelstrom about etch |
| 17:42.05 | wols | maelstrom: etch was frozen about 18 months ago. since then no new vresions went into etch |
| 17:42.48 | maelstrom | oh that's how it works |
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| 17:42.50 | maelstrom | seems a little odd |
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| 17:43.14 | wols | it's not odd but very sensible |
| 17:43.39 | maelstrom | so i'll have a system that will always run smoothly but not have the latest features in my programs |
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| 17:43.46 | azeem | maelstrom: yes |
| 17:44.02 | maelstrom | i'm sort of used to the opposite =) |
| 17:44.04 | azeem | maelstrom: what feature of amarok do you need? |
| 17:44.39 | maelstrom | it looks like they altered the behavior of queueing since 1.4.4 where it will now automatically play songs when you queue them if nothing else is playing |
| 17:44.41 | wols | maelstrom: you can go the opposite with debian and ahve an often broken but bleeding edge system |
| 17:44.46 | wols | but as it says: you bleed |
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| 17:44.58 | wols | unstable/sid to the rescue |
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| 17:47.55 | maelstrom | oh i see, you just add the sid repo |
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| 17:48.17 | wols | !tell maelstrom about sid faq |
| 17:48.25 | wols | be very very careful with sid |
| 17:48.26 | azeem | maelstrom: don't listen to wols and consider using testing instead |
| 17:48.54 | wols | azeem: I didn't advocate for him to use sid, even if it looks that way to you |
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| 17:49.09 | nerdsquad3210 | how do i make a back in linux that even if the cd gets scrached i can retrieve the data ? |
| 17:49.21 | azeem | wols: what matters is not what you intend, but what you do |
| 17:49.49 | wols | azeem: warning about sid that you bleed when using it |
| 17:49.54 | wols | and that it's borken |
| 17:50.36 | maelstrom | never fear, i am reading the faq and it makes no bones about whether i should be using testing or sid =) |
| 17:50.39 | azeem | there's absolutely no need to mention sid at all as long as testing isn't even on the table |
| 17:50.42 | azeem | but *shrug* |
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| 17:51.52 | wols | maelstrom: unless you really need lots of new stuff (look I said need, not want), look at etch+some backports first |
| 17:52.13 | wols | when you are feeling more secure about debian and package amnagement then go testing or above |
| 17:52.20 | Solid | is there a post setup utility in debian like 'setup' in redhat* for conf/installing packages ? |
| 17:52.46 | maelstrom | you mean like synaptic ? |
| 17:53.41 | dacs | !flightgear |
| 17:53.42 | dpkg | it has been said that flightgear is a GPL'ed 3D flight simulator, available as debian packages in woody and sid now |
| 17:53.58 | Solid | well i dont remeber i used some util in debain 3 years ago from where i can setup debain after ive installed it (installing packages) |
| 17:54.13 | azeem | 18:52 < maelstrom> you mean like synaptic ? |
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| 17:54.43 | dacs | wols: i just installed flightgear , how can i start it |
| 17:55.04 | Solid | nah didnt installed GUI only cmd |
| 17:55.11 | azeem | Solid: aptitude |
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| 17:56.07 | wols | dacs: dpkg -L <packagename> |grep bin will tell you |
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| 17:57.06 | themime | im running svnserve as a daemon; is there a more elegant way to end it without kill-ing it? |
| 17:57.45 | dacs | wols: -su: syntax error near unexpected token `|' |
| 17:58.18 | wols | what did you type EXACTLY? |
| 17:58.24 | Shadur | I think my webserver is under DoS attack. In the past six hours, it has hung critically twice, requiring a physical reboot. munin usage logs show a massive increase in user/system CPU usage, apache2 reports lots of 'too many active clients' messages, context switches skyrocket into the thousands (from usually less than a hundred), and memory usage spikes badly. Right now I'm looking at top and for some reason udevd is reporting spikes of 80% CPU usage. |
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| 17:59.02 | dacs | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.03 | Shadur | I've already cranked down the maximum number of active clients in the hope that'll throttle memory usage to a point it can handle. Any other suggestions? |
| 17:59.04 | dacs | lol |
| 17:59.13 | wols | dacs: no <>.... |
| 17:59.28 | dacs | wols: i did but it doesn't return anything |
| 17:59.41 | wols | Shadur: a DDOS can only be mitigated by your ISP |
| 17:59.46 | wols | everything else is futile |
| 18:00.00 | wols | dacs: what did you do THEN? |
| 18:00.14 | dacs | dpkg -L flightgear |
| 18:00.14 | dpkg | ii flightgear 1.6-15.2 dacs's private porn collection |
| 18:01.12 | wols | dacs: http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/flightgear/filelist |
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| 18:01.15 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 18:01.20 | Shadur | wols: Problem is, I /am/ the ISP. |
| 18:01.56 | SamuraiDio | i need a program to embed subtitles to video files, can someonr sugget one? |
| 18:01.57 | wols | Shadur: you are ATT? |
| 18:01.59 | wols | nice to meet you |
| 18:02.05 | wols | you are at most a hoster |
| 18:02.07 | dacs | wols: which one i should use to run it |
| 18:02.09 | Shadur | I'm just not sure what I can do that'd be effective - upstream goes through a linux router and firewall, but if it's a DDoS there's little point in trying to block the sources. |
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| 18:02.22 | wols | and if your pipe is overwhelmed there is nothing you can do |
| 18:02.23 | Solid | bwt where can i get debian repos info? |
| 18:02.24 | Shadur | wols: I'm systemec.nl, and webhosting is just one thing we do. |
| 18:03.00 | wols | dacs: /usr/share/doc/flightgear/README.running.gz |
| 18:03.14 | wols | Shadur: why would you ask #debian then? |
| 18:03.32 | wols | and you don't provide your own upstream. you are nn |
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| 18:03.48 | wols | one thing you can do is if you know the attack pattern, you can disable it. e.g. with iptables |
| 18:03.51 | Shadur | wols: Because debian is what I use, and folks here tend to be very knowledgeable in general. |
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| 18:04.03 | wols | that will help a bit but it won't help your upstream to get overwhelmed |
| 18:04.32 | wols | Shadur: doesn't mean we are there for OT questions |
| 18:04.35 | jim_p | Can someone help me? I am new to debian testing and I need some help with ntfs-3g |
| 18:05.00 | wols | and besides: an ISP who ahs to ask on IRC what to do in case of a DDO. good thing I now know your name, so I can avoid you |
| 18:05.11 | wols | !tell jim_p about ask |
| 18:05.28 | Shadur | Okay, on-topic question, then: What could possibly be causing udevd to want more than 50% CPU time? |
| 18:05.50 | Shadur | I'm not asking what to do. I'm asking for other suggestions beyond what I've already done so far. |
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| 18:09.02 | rdz | hi all. how can i make 'minicom' to /dev/rfcomm0 instead of /dev/tty*? |
| 18:09.12 | rdz | * to talk |
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| 18:09.20 | xingu | Shadur: if _udevd_ is genuinely going apeshit then you probably have a hardware fault; how much cpu time has it accrued? |
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| 18:09.34 | maligor | rdz, minicom -s |
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| 18:09.56 | alturiak | y |
| 18:09.57 | Deathmetalman | a question about the boot process |
| 18:10.06 | petemc | rdz: try using screen /dev/rfcomm0 , its generally better than minicom |
| 18:10.09 | Shadur | xingu: 19:23:something... In the 47 minutes the computer has been online. |
| 18:10.17 | Deathmetalman | suppose I want to get some daemon (nfs for instance) not loaded at the system startup |
| 18:10.43 | Shadur | dmesg isn't reporting anything out of the ordinary either. |
| 18:10.45 | jim_p | I have a problem with ntfs-3g, i think so... I am using debian testing. Every time I reboot or shutdown my pc I get a "Killing remaining proccesses... [Failed]" message. This does not happen if i unmount them manually before rebooting or shut down |
| 18:11.04 | jim_p | its my first month on debian and any help will be really appreciated |
| 18:11.05 | Deathmetalman | Is it enough to change the symlinks in rcS.d and rc2.d from @S20nfs-common to @K80nfs-common ? |
| 18:11.14 | xingu | Shadur: strace -fo /var/tmp/strace.out -p `pidof udevd` |
| 18:11.25 | pipeline | jim_p: I think you solved your own problem. |
| 18:11.27 | xingu | Shadur: let it run for a bit; then pastein /var/tmp/strace.out |
| 18:11.29 | petemc | Deathmetalman: update-rc.d -f nfs remove |
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| 18:11.44 | xingu | s/pastein/pastebin/ |
| 18:11.50 | Shadur | eth0 interrupts are also going berzerk, together with NMI. |
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| 18:11.58 | petemc | Deathmetalman: but you can just delete the symlinks in the rc?.d directories if you like |
| 18:12.02 | pipeline | Deathmetalman: You can just delete any S?? links. |
| 18:12.04 | joey[] | I'm trying to d/l source and apply patch, but I think something is missing. (http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/nagios2) |
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| 18:12.19 | pipeline | Shadur: lots of network traffic = high interrupt load from NIC. |
| 18:12.22 | Deathmetalman | pipeline, that's not a good way i suppose |
| 18:12.28 | jim_p | I did? How? I just want that unmount procedure to take place AUTOMATICALLY |
| 18:12.38 | jim_p | if that is correct |
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| 18:12.45 | xingu | Shadur: rx/tx load on network shouldn't cause _udevd_ to gobble cpu time |
| 18:12.50 | rdz | petemc, thank you a lot |
| 18:12.51 | nameless | hi to all |
| 18:12.52 | pipeline | jim_p: Write a script to take care of it, add it to the rc?.d directories. |
| 18:12.53 | xingu | Shadur: a hardware fault might, but that shouldn't |
| 18:12.54 | jim_p | hi |
| 18:13.04 | pipeline | jim_p: I mean you figured out the problem, which is the hard part :P |
| 18:13.09 | petemc | rdz: np |
| 18:13.11 | jim_p | i am a bit new to debian, sorry :( |
| 18:13.11 | Shadur | pipeline: Yeah, I got that far. But I'm talking about 150/sec to 500/sec since the trouble started. |
| 18:13.26 | nameless | how i can install nvidia drivers on debian unstable 2.6.24 ? |
| 18:13.53 | jim_p | I made my firts steps in linux with ubuntu... and now its a whole different thing |
| 18:13.59 | Shadur | xingu: I ran strace for about fifteen seconds and wound up with forty thousand lines in the logfile. I'll cut and paste a chunk. What should I look for that's likely relevant? |
| 18:14.09 | Shadur | nameless: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 18:14.15 | xingu | Shadur: exec, read; what's it doing, basically? |
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| 18:14.33 | jim_p | I have no idea about scripting |
| 18:14.41 | nameless | Shadur, yes, but how i can enable it ? |
| 18:14.52 | xingu | Shadur: if you can zip and put it somewhere I wouldn't mind taking a look at the whole lot |
| 18:15.01 | nameless | dpkg-reconfigure don't ask me for setting up the drivers |
| 18:15.19 | wols | !tell nameless about nvidia_post_etch |
| 18:15.19 | nameless | only keyboard and mouse |
| 18:15.28 | Shadur | xingu: Sure, one sec. |
| 18:15.28 | jim_p | i can post my fstab or something if you like |
| 18:15.34 | jim_p | i mean the relevant lines |
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| 18:15.58 | nameless | thx wols |
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| 18:16.33 | Shadur | xingu: http://marduk.systemec.nl/strace.out.gz |
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| 18:16.54 | xingu | Shadur: gottit. |
| 18:18.18 | jim_p | can i start a conversation with someone that knows how to solve my ntfs-3g problem? |
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| 18:19.19 | Shadur | xingu: I'm not nearly enough of a programmer to make much sense of it, but it looks like it's constantly trying to start and restart something. |
| 18:19.27 | theLichKing | i just installed debian and 2 things don't work.. I cannot mount the installation DVD, and i can't get my nforce network card to work |
| 18:19.28 | S4nD3r_ | Is possible to have this menu on debian linux (GNOME) ??? |
| 18:19.40 | kelt | I have a few dhcp servers running... how can I tell debian to use 1 over the other? |
| 18:19.41 | S4nD3r_ | http://www.ngsys.eti.br/screenshots/dl30screens/gnomedesk.jpg |
| 18:19.50 | xingu | Shadur: yes it looks like somehow your udev config is screwed (this is a 10,000' view! don't take it as definative yet) |
| 18:20.04 | xingu | Shadur: ie it's trying to send an event which causes it to try to send an event which ... |
| 18:20.04 | wols | kelt: you usually have only one dhcp server. you never have more than one |
| 18:20.08 | theLichKing | i ran synaptic clicked add dvd in the repositories and it couldn't mount the dvd |
| 18:20.09 | Shadur | kelt: You shouldn't be running more than one DHCP server ona single subnet. |
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| 18:20.14 | jim_p | S4nD3r: this is awn i think |
| 18:20.23 | kelt | Shadur: they are on different subnets |
| 18:20.26 | Shadur | xingu: AFAIK, this is the default udev config that comes with debian. |
| 18:20.29 | xingu | Shadur: is udev config heavily customised on this system or is it theoretically out of box? |
| 18:20.52 | kelt | but when I do ifup it apparently grabs an ip from the wrong dhcp server |
| 18:21.09 | Shadur | xingu: IIRC, it's the one out of the box. |
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| 18:21.17 | theLichKing | anyone? |
| 18:21.31 | nameless | wols: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't ask me for graphic drivers |
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| 18:22.25 | xingu | Shadur: what does /etc/default/hotplug have in it? |
| 18:22.40 | jim_p | theLichKing: if you manually mount the dvdrom and have synaptic to scan it afterwards? |
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| 18:23.27 | kjfletch | Not many people seeding 40r2-i386-CD-1. Started the torrent and came back two hours later... it's creeping at 1KB/s :( |
| 18:23.49 | theLichKing | jim_p: i can't figure out which one is the dvd in /dev/ |
| 18:23.55 | wols | nameless: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 18:24.08 | nameless | wait |
| 18:24.11 | xingu | Shadur: near as I can work out it's udevd braining itself triggering log events; which is odd by itself because I don't think that udev logging is on by default |
| 18:24.48 | nameless | wols: http://rafb.net/p/coRJqx67.html |
| 18:24.49 | Shadur | xingu: Most of it's commented out, aside from "IGNORE_PCI_CLASS_DISPLAY=true", "NET_AGENT_POLICY=hotplug" and "X11_USBMICE_HACK=false" |
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| 18:25.07 | xingu | Shadur: does it have a #! ? |
| 18:25.21 | Shadur | Nope. |
| 18:25.30 | wols | nameless: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow |
| 18:25.34 | Shadur | ... And yeah, udev logging is on. |
| 18:25.45 | jim_p | theLichKing: In fstab you will see the ...device of your drive. eg for me its /dev/hda. It is the same like /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd |
| 18:25.53 | xingu | Shadur: ok lets have that off for now then; how has it been turned on? |
| 18:25.56 | wols | nameless: if that doesn't help: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf and tlel me what that says |
| 18:25.57 | jim_p | i have only 1 drive though |
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| 18:26.47 | nameless | wols: keyboard and mouse |
| 18:26.53 | wols | jim_p: what does "umount -a" say? warning: it will (try) to unmount ALL your drive |
| 18:26.54 | nameless | very strange thing |
| 18:27.04 | wols | nameless: can't be |
| 18:27.23 | nameless | Driver "kbd" Driver "mouse" |
| 18:27.31 | RaymondX | is xdm as configurable as gdm? or are we stuck with its drab design? |
| 18:27.33 | nameless | i'll nopaste xorg.conf |
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| 18:27.58 | Shadur | logging set to off, udev restarted, no change. |
| 18:27.58 | bjwebb | hi |
| 18:28.11 | xingu | Shadur: ok; lets just move /etc/hotplug out of harm's way. |
| 18:28.18 | nameless | wols: http://rafb.net/p/dO7Peh54.html |
| 18:28.22 | xingu | Shadur: and also what debian release is this? etch? |
| 18:28.32 | jim_p | wols: umount: /dev: device is busy |
| 18:28.33 | theLichKing | jim_p: i have one drive and it is listed as /dev/hda.. i tried to mount it and it says mount:special device /dev/hda does not exist |
| 18:28.33 | jim_p | umount: /: device is busy |
| 18:28.49 | jim_p | wols: all my other ntfs drives are unmounted now |
| 18:28.52 | Shadur | xingu: 3.1 Sarge, IIRC. |
| 18:28.55 | bjwebb | curses seems to be mucked up on lenny :( |
| 18:28.56 | kelt | Shadur: any way to force a certain ip range or submask in network interfaces? |
| 18:29.03 | Shadur | Yeah, sarge. |
| 18:29.06 | wols | jim_p: delete it and run drxx new |
| 18:29.22 | jim_p | wols: ??? |
| 18:29.24 | wols | !tell kelt about interfaces |
| 18:29.37 | wols | jim_p: sorry. wrong nick. oops |
| 18:29.54 | wols | nameless: delete xorg.conf and recreate it with drxx. that xorg.conf is VERY incomplete |
| 18:29.56 | jim_p | wols: no problem. I got scared as... |
| 18:29.58 | xingu | Shadur: ok; pretty sure now it's choking on some hotplug event; wanna spy on it with udevmonitor --kernel ? |
| 18:30.12 | nameless | yeah i know |
| 18:30.17 | wols | jim_p: did you try the umount -a? |
| 18:30.24 | nameless | drxx ? |
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| 18:30.36 | wols | !tell nameless about drxx |
| 18:30.44 | jim_p | wols: yes that was the output |
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| 18:31.06 | nameless | :o |
| 18:31.06 | wols | jim_p: ok /dev is allwoed to be busy |
| 18:31.10 | jim_p | wols: all my drives are unmounted now, except the / |
| 18:31.11 | Shadur | xingu: I don't have that program. Which version of udev is that in? |
| 18:31.16 | wols | jim_p: was the ntfs-3g partiton unmounted? |
| 18:31.20 | nameless | i've used drxx until now.. |
| 18:31.29 | wols | jim_p: mount -a remounts them |
| 18:31.49 | wols | !tell nameless about install xorg |
| 18:31.53 | xingu | Shadur: sid's; in that case - how about creating /var/log/hotplug/{kernel.events,events} |
| 18:32.11 | jim_p | wols: yes it was unmounted, it is initially mounded by fstab at bootup |
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| 18:32.32 | jim_p | wols: no need to re-mount them for now |
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| 18:32.37 | wols | jim_p: at powerdown the same thing is done: umount -a |
| 18:32.37 | bjwebb | finch looks weird in mlterm on lenny |
| 18:32.39 | xingu | Shadur: with a bit of luck it'll write something there; if not - set logging back on, restart, and recheck |
| 18:32.55 | jim_p | wols: !!! |
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| 18:33.01 | xingu | Shadur: sorry for the imprecision, I'm chatting to you while picking apart this strace log ) |
| 18:33.10 | kelt | wols: I don't want to use static I want to force dhcp to use a certain dhcp server on our network |
| 18:33.15 | bjwebb | hmmm, it works in xterm |
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| 18:33.28 | ivan_ | Hi |
| 18:33.30 | S4nD3r_ | how to install a dock menu in gnome?? |
| 18:33.31 | jim_p | hi |
| 18:33.50 | jim_p | S4nD3r_: apt-get install avant-window-navigator |
| 18:33.57 | nameless | wols: http://rafb.net/p/jBvcf037.html |
| 18:34.00 | wols | kelt: dhcp is a broadcast. first come, first serve |
| 18:34.02 | snewp | i got an error in my apache here's the link; http://pastebin.ca/907554 .. but when i check the path it's there |
| 18:34.13 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: did you try running apt-cdrom |
| 18:34.16 | S4nD3r_ | jim_p: ok, its installed right now |
| 18:34.26 | Shadur | xingu: Okay, I've upgraded to the sarge-backport of udev and purged hotplug as it asked me to. |
| 18:34.30 | ivan_ | hi.. someone know if the package linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686 has dom0 support? |
| 18:34.30 | jim_p | S4nD3r_: :) |
| 18:34.38 | kelt | wols: the dhcp1 is on subnet 255.0.0.0 and the dhcp2 is on 255.255.255.0 ... I'm getting assigned an IP address from dchp1 when I want dhcp2 |
| 18:34.40 | xingu | Shadur: ok good move |
| 18:35.01 | Shadur | xingu: No change. |
| 18:35.11 | xingu | Shadur: multple birds with that stone; do you have udevmonitor now? |
| 18:35.18 | wols | kelt: man dhclient.conf ? |
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| 18:35.49 | Shadur | Yes. Also, new strace in http://marduk.systemec.nl/strace.out.2.gz |
| 18:35.59 | S4nD3r_ | jim_p: nothing happens when i tried to run avant |
| 18:36.15 | S4nD3r_ | Error: Screen isn't composited. Please run compiz (-fusion) or another compositing manager. |
| 18:36.20 | S4nD3r_ | ops... !!! |
| 18:36.29 | xingu | Shadur: perfect; if udevmonitor --kernel turns up anything let us know; if not move on to udevmonitor --udev |
| 18:36.41 | xingu | Shadur: got the second strace |
| 18:36.44 | S4nD3r_ | I have compiz installed, but its not running good |
| 18:36.45 | kelt | wols: what is weird though is that resolv.conf has the dhcp2 server ip address |
| 18:36.51 | jetscreamer | jim_p: that gets fixed soon with an update |
| 18:36.56 | kelt | but it is grabbing from dhcp1 |
| 18:36.57 | S4nD3r_ | Checking for Xgl: not present. |
| 18:37.04 | S4nD3r_ | No whitelisted driver found |
| 18:37.06 | ivan_ | someone try to install on 2.6.24 Xen? |
| 18:37.09 | S4nD3r_ | aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity |
| 18:37.13 | Shadur | xingu: udevmonitor doesn't take arguments. It's got another runaway trace, though. Hang on. |
| 18:37.19 | jim_p | ... what is the problem then? I notice that something network related is stopped after the drives, then firestarter is STARTED and stopped at once! |
| 18:37.25 | RaymondX | is there a way to configure xdm like gdm's login manager? |
| 18:37.40 | jetscreamer | jim_p: that's fixed in sid |
| 18:37.41 | Shadur | UEVENT[1203273444.684568] remove@/kernel/uids/1001 |
| 18:37.41 | Shadur | UDEV [1203273444.685385] remove@/kernel/uids/1001 |
| 18:37.47 | Shadur | Those two lines, over and over. |
| 18:37.59 | kelt | wols: do you mean supersede? |
| 18:38.08 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: i just tried and it says E: Failed to mount the cdrom |
| 18:38.09 | jetscreamer | RaymondX: yes but xdm has it's own scripting language.. i never figured it out but go for it |
| 18:38.15 | xingu | Shadur: that matches the logs in the strace too; ok so lets see if we can work out wtf that means. |
| 18:38.18 | wols | kelt: I mean if dhcp client can do it, you can set it there |
| 18:38.22 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: i installed debian with this dvd |
| 18:38.23 | wols | or rather read up on it there |
| 18:38.37 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: ls -l /dev/dvd* and compare to fstab |
| 18:38.37 | jim_p | jetscreamer: is it something bad? i have lost my sleep for this little "fail" message you know! |
| 18:38.39 | S4nD3r_ | how to know which is my videocard? |
| 18:38.44 | Shadur | xingu: http://marduk.systemec.nl/udevmonitor.out.gz |
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| 18:38.50 | vasco | hello |
| 18:38.51 | kelt | hmm... |
| 18:38.54 | wols | S4nD3r_: lspci |
| 18:39.00 | jetscreamer | jim_p: it never hurt me afaict, ymmv but it's ok |
| 18:39.05 | vasco | what is the best way for launch a script during the boot? |
| 18:39.15 | jetscreamer | lspci|grep VGA i think |
| 18:39.17 | wols | vasco: depends on the script |
| 18:39.21 | vasco | it s all my iptables rules set in one file |
| 18:39.26 | Shadur | xingu: I'd be happy just knowing what kernel uid 1001 refers to. Digging.... |
| 18:39.27 | vasco | firewall.sh |
| 18:39.36 | dutchfish | hi, i have updated ecth on one of my servers, the following things happen, when i open a console in a session start a screen as a sudoer, then background, logout, then login as a non-priviliged user, create a screen, background it, logout, then the kernel oopses within 12 hours, nothing else is running on that system (net related) and behind a firewall, how to trace such a problem? |
| 18:39.38 | wols | vasco: a script called from interfaces imho |
| 18:39.52 | jetscreamer | isn't uid 1001 the second user created usually? |
| 18:39.54 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: ls: /dev/dvd*: No such file or directory |
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| 18:40.01 | xingu | Shadur: ditto; wonder if it refers to an actual user/hal event? |
| 18:40.07 | vasco | wols, what do you mean? |
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| 18:40.14 | xingu | Shadur: is this box running a gui console? maybe shutup hald for the moment? |
| 18:40.24 | simonrvn | first non-system user certainly |
| 18:40.25 | Shadur | xingu: Haven't the foggiest. It's a webserver. No GUI. |
| 18:40.26 | wols | !tell vasco about interfaces |
| 18:40.30 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: now try /dev/cd* ... but that 'may' be the problem, it's looking for /dev/dvd or something.. not sure though |
| 18:40.38 | simonrvn | ...and hi |
| 18:40.42 | jim_p | jetscreamer: shall i disable something?...like firestarter for instance? |
| 18:40.43 | xingu | Shadur: invoke-rc.d hald stop just while we slug at this |
| 18:40.53 | wols | !wb simonrvn |
| 18:40.53 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! simonrvn has returned! |
| 18:41.02 | vasco | wols, can t use RC stuff? |
| 18:41.02 | jim_p | hi |
| 18:41.14 | wols | vasco: sure you can if you want |
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| 18:41.22 | simonrvn | hi wols |
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| 18:41.53 | kelt | wols: hey... I think I found something... "reject ip-address;" might do it |
| 18:42.08 | jetscreamer | jim_p: i don't know about firestarter and whatever.. just that one error msg. |
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| 18:42.18 | kelt | it rejects offers from rouge or misconfigured dhcp servers :) |
| 18:42.22 | jetscreamer | btw you'll love the 'user not permitted to mount' error soon iirc |
| 18:42.31 | jim_p | jetscreamer: oh ok lol |
| 18:42.39 | jetscreamer | that may get fixed at the same time tohough |
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| 18:42.43 | bolt | without having dived into the kernel sources, i just wonder about one thing... why does the linux kernel generate so many warnings when being compiled? would it be a lot slower if those were to be avoided? |
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| 18:42.45 | tenSe | hello everyone :) |
| 18:42.46 | jetscreamer | though |
| 18:42.53 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: ls: /dev/cd*: No such file or directory.... i think it identifies it as /dev/hda in fstab |
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| 18:42.56 | jim_p | hello |
| 18:43.07 | Kakalaka | !help |
| 18:43.32 | ivan_ | hi.. someone know if the package linux-image-2.6.24-1-xen-686 has dom0 support? |
| 18:43.33 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: but i tried mounting with /dev/hda and it says special device /dev/hda does not exist |
| 18:43.47 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: if it was me i'd either try blindly creating symlinks to see if it helps, or look at apt-cdrom and supply it with the proper switches |
| 18:43.50 | onesandzeros | hello all. I have a 4.0r1 install disk here, but I'd like to use kde 3.5.8 with it. Any suggestions as to the easiest way to do that? When I change to sid in sources.list, I run into some trouble with glibc or something. |
| 18:44.02 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: now ls -l /dev/scd0 |
| 18:44.09 | dutchfish | ivan_, no |
| 18:44.09 | lavamind | i have a question about compiling a kernel from source on debian : when you first do a 'make menuconfig' is the config generated a static default one, or does it attempt to reproduce existing settings from the currently running kernel ? |
| 18:44.24 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: do the other hd's say sda? |
| 18:44.27 | jetscreamer | et al? |
| 18:44.27 | vasco | wols, i will create a init.d script and i will set it in rc then |
| 18:44.29 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: no such file or dir |
| 18:44.33 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: yes |
| 18:44.33 | ivan_ | dutchfish, dont have dom0 support? |
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| 18:44.39 | jetscreamer | or are they all still hdx |
| 18:44.44 | dutchfish | ivan_, not for that kernel |
| 18:44.44 | Shadur | xingu: hald doesn't exist. |
| 18:44.54 | ivan_ | dutchfish, :( |
| 18:45.01 | ivan_ | dutchfish, thanks a lot |
| 18:45.03 | vasco | what is the best way for set one service @ startup or delete a service @ startup? |
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| 18:45.11 | theLichKing | i got sda |
| 18:45.12 | vasco | on redhat i know chkconfig |
| 18:45.27 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: here on my box, the cd/dvd is /dev/scd0, with the new libata stuff that makes everything sda instead of hda |
| 18:45.32 | jetscreamer | hth alli know |
| 18:45.36 | jetscreamer | man apt-cdrom |
| 18:45.39 | jetscreamer | find the dvd |
| 18:45.46 | jetscreamer | in /dev i mean |
| 18:45.56 | theLichKing | i see |
| 18:46.19 | theLichKing | well, thanks for the support.. i'll try some more stuf |
| 18:46.22 | theLichKing | like banging the computer |
| 18:46.31 | jetscreamer | but where is your dvdrom? |
| 18:46.39 | jetscreamer | or rw |
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| 18:46.52 | jim_p | brb |
| 18:46.57 | jetscreamer | what about in dmesg |
| 18:47.31 | Shadur | xingu: ... Something's changed, though. Now it's going on and on about kernel/uids/101 rather than 1001. |
| 18:47.35 | jetscreamer | you could also find it in /proc somewhere |
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| 18:47.46 | chris_abyi | hi! My system tells me this at startup (Debian etch, actual kernel k6): "ext3-fs:sda3:orphan cleanup on readonly fs, and then doesn't seem to continue. What does it do? Could it need some more time? |
| 18:47.48 | Shadur | .. Or not. |
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| 18:48.32 | jetscreamer | chris_abyi: you probably need to umount it :0 |
| 18:48.33 | dutchfish | ivan_, http://www.nabble.com/vanilla-kernel-and-xen-(in-general),-vanilla-2.6.24-and-xen-td15155102.html |
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| 18:48.50 | jetscreamer | chris_abyi: you could try fsck'ing it from a livecd |
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| 18:49.01 | jetscreamer | or boot single maybe |
| 18:49.05 | Shadur | Looks like the hard freezes during the DoS were because of the OOM killer nailing something important or other. |
| 18:49.34 | spldart | Is it possible to tell samba to share a /dir's over one network interface but not on another... or perhaps share some /dir's on one network interface and different ones on another network interface? |
| 18:49.47 | Shadur | Multiple somethings or other until it blew up udev, even. |
| 18:50.00 | chris_abyi | jetscreamer: it's a built-in hd :) |
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| 18:50.23 | xingu | Shadur: quite probably; how about you try just creating /dev/.udev/failed/ ? |
| 18:50.28 | chris_abyi | jetscreamer: live-cd..okay. I'll try that. But it's so strange. I did nothing and just 2 hours ago, everything was fine.. |
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| 18:50.31 | xingu | Shadur: ie as a dir |
| 18:50.46 | HSorgYves | after changing /etc/group do i need to refresh the system in some way? |
| 18:50.51 | Shadur | Created. |
| 18:51.06 | Shadur | ... Or not. |
| 18:51.22 | dutchfish | HSorgYves, if you changed something for the user you are curently loggid under, relog, nothing else |
| 18:51.22 | jetscreamer | chris_abyi: i didn't mean take it out of the box, i meant umount. as in umoune /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 18:51.28 | xingu | Shadur: has udevd blown it away again? and is it still looping? |
| 18:51.34 | jetscreamer | but livecd good |
| 18:51.34 | HSorgYves | dutchfish: thx |
| 18:51.42 | Shadur | It executes fine, but the directory doesn't exist. |
| 18:51.47 | jetscreamer | die udev die |
| 18:51.53 | dvs | nooooooooooo! |
| 18:52.12 | xingu | Shadur: ok; how about a quick grep in /etc/udev/ for ... "queue" or "uid" ? |
| 18:52.21 | xingu | Shadur: wondering if this is rootkit spore. |
| 18:52.36 | jetscreamer | spoor :) |
| 18:52.40 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 18:52.42 | xingu | that too |
| 18:52.57 | dutchfish | xingu, is there a new kid on the root block? |
| 18:53.19 | xingu | Shadur: might be tempted to suggest moving /etc/udev out the way and getting you to confmiss udev all over again |
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| 18:53.30 | xingu | Shadur: this is seriously illin' |
| 18:54.21 | Shadur | xingu: ... Possible. I've had shouting matches with the boss over a couple customers' tendencies to have /really/ shitty php coding and I'm not allowed to nail it down as tight as I want because some of them insist they need the exec() call available. |
| 18:54.57 | xingu | Shadur: just so long as you don't let them exec() things that play with vmsplice on <=2.6.24.2 :) |
| 18:55.03 | Shadur | Hang on, downloading rootkit checker. |
| 18:55.21 | xingu | Shadur: just mv /etc/udev /etc/elsewhere and confmiss udevd? |
| 18:55.30 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 18:55.33 | Shadur | xingu: I updated to 2.6.24.2 recently, yeah. Had to wait a few days because we needed to announce it to our customers first. |
| 18:55.44 | Shadur | Hang on... chkrootkit comes up empty. |
| 18:55.45 | Mazingaro | is there a way to use an old ibm ultrastor 800 drive with debian? |
| 18:56.12 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: afaik you can use rll drives |
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| 18:56.19 | jetscreamer | so i guess.. not sure what that one is |
| 18:56.27 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: ? |
| 18:56.35 | ivan_ | dutchfish, good link!!! :D |
| 18:56.37 | jetscreamer | you can use rll hd's |
| 18:56.47 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: what's an rll drive? |
| 18:56.48 | jetscreamer | so i would think so on the hd you mention |
| 18:56.55 | jetscreamer | Mazingaro: think 8088 |
| 18:56.57 | cusco | altho new stuff is ssd |
| 18:57.13 | Mazingaro | jetscreamer: ibm ultrastor 800 is a floppy tape |
| 18:57.20 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56391/ |
| 18:57.32 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: looks like it doesn't even see it |
| 18:57.51 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: it got installed through a dvd, and now it doesn't see it |
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| 18:57.59 | theLichKing | that's nuts |
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| 18:58.15 | Shadur | xingu: Done. |
| 18:59.01 | xingu | Shadur: still looping? |
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| 18:59.28 | Shadur | Hang on... |
| 18:59.47 | Shadur | Yep. 20% CPU already. |
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| 19:00.24 | Shadur | Occasionally, at least. Hang on, doing strace again |
| 19:00.35 | xingu | Shadur: cheers; also check udevmonitor for a "--env" option? |
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| 19:01.10 | Shadur | Yeah, it's got --env |
| 19:01.13 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: you may have better luck with less /var/log/dmesg|grep cd |
| 19:01.17 | Shadur | ... And there she goes again. |
| 19:01.30 | xingu | Shadur: one or two messages from stderr on that fella would be useful too possibly |
| 19:01.35 | xingu | Shadur: might id the source of the events |
| 19:01.36 | aoomSdude | How long on average would it take to compile the latest kernel with the default debian kernel configuration, on a modern system? |
| 19:01.41 | jetscreamer | oor grep dvd |
| 19:01.47 | dvs | aoomSdude: 15min |
| 19:01.52 | jetscreamer | 10-20 minutes or so? |
| 19:01.59 | aoomSdude | dvs: 12min passed :( |
| 19:02.05 | aoomSdude | *15 |
| 19:02.06 | dvs | aoomSdude: wait some more |
| 19:02.11 | aoomSdude | lol ok |
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| 19:02.30 | S4nD3r | How to install my videocard driver? |
| 19:02.39 | jetscreamer | define videocard |
| 19:02.43 | aoomSdude | irssi on a white background looks terrible |
| 19:02.43 | Shadur | ... And now it's suddenly keeping quiet again. |
| 19:02.49 | jetscreamer | as it realtes to yours |
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| 19:02.53 | S4nD3r | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter |
| 19:02.57 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.03 | dvs | Ouch! A SIS! |
| 19:03.10 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: you would use sis when you drxx iirc |
| 19:03.15 | wols | S4nD3r: ouch. there is no compiz for you.ever. HAND |
| 19:03.16 | jetscreamer | !what driver |
| 19:03.17 | dpkg | well, driver is a piece of code, typically in kernelspace (but not always), which allows you to control a piece of hardware. The biggest exception is video drivers for Linux, which are often part of the (userspace) X server. (3D accelerated video drivers are a weird hybrid that have both kernelspace *and* userspace components.) |
| 19:03.29 | jetscreamer | no no compiz iirc |
| 19:03.34 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 19:03.42 | jetscreamer | !which driver |
| 19:03.42 | dpkg | from memory, driver locator is To work out what module you need to load for your pci card, try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . |
| 19:03.43 | Shadur | xingu: http://marduk.systemec.nl/udevmonitor-env.txt.gz |
| 19:03.55 | xingu | Shadur: so here's a working theory; if it's settled-ish now, we can maybe blame a bung udev config which has been dealt with via confmiss |
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| 19:04.21 | Shadur | Nope, there it went again. |
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| 19:04.26 | wols | S4nD3r: all you can do is make sure grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf says "sis". and it will still suck since frankly, your hardware sucks |
| 19:04.40 | jetscreamer | yeah sis video just sucks |
| 19:04.45 | xingu | Shadur: ok there goes that one |
| 19:05.00 | jetscreamer | even if you put an offboard card in the video still sucks |
| 19:05.08 | jetscreamer | the chipset sucks |
| 19:05.15 | xingu | Shadur: ok so the kernel is sending events alright, they're add/remove "uid" events whatever the hell they are; are you running a selinux setup or anything weird like that? |
| 19:05.15 | dvs | it all sucks! |
| 19:05.26 | wols | jetscreamer: 315pro is a card iirc already. agp |
| 19:05.37 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:05.37 | flami | Hi I have problems opening some pdf with k/xpdf the rendering just takes ages, with acrocread I can however open quite fast. kghostview also renders the pdf , but it takes quite a while ( though its faster then xpdf or kpdf ). I think they have problems rendering a picture with lots of arrows on page 2 on my pdf. Is there any way to get around this problem , besides useing acroread ? |
| 19:05.39 | xingu | Shadur: and also, is any code running as uid==1001? (say, ps -fu 1001 for ex) |
| 19:05.45 | S4nD3r | there is no sis in xorg.conf |
| 19:06.02 | jetscreamer | !tell S4nD3r -about drxx |
| 19:06.03 | Shadur | xingu: Yeah, smbd. |
| 19:06.05 | dvs | S4nD3r: so put it tehre |
| 19:06.09 | dvs | there |
| 19:06.12 | wols | S4nD3r: vesa? repalce it with "sis" |
| 19:06.23 | xingu | Shadur: righty; what's the odds that you're getting caned with cifs/smb browse traffic? |
| 19:06.24 | dvs | wols: MC actually. ;-) |
| 19:06.26 | jetscreamer | !tell S4nD3r -about hwinfo |
| 19:06.33 | wols | dvs: mc? |
| 19:06.42 | dvs | wols: mastercard |
| 19:06.48 | xingu | Shadur: is it practical to stop samba for the moment? |
| 19:06.49 | Shadur | xingu: ... I'm pretty sure I'm blocking that on the main router. Hang on. |
| 19:06.54 | spldart | I noticed the same thing flami... and have to use acroread :( |
| 19:07.09 | Shadur | xingu: I'll get yelled at by my boss tomorrow morning but that's not a big deal. |
| 19:07.18 | Shadur | Lemme check the router first. |
| 19:07.22 | aoomSdude | theres not xmonad for etch? :( |
| 19:07.32 | xingu | Shadur: better than having a box nailing itself to the wall; this is not a permanent fix, just a "wtf is going on" diagnostic |
| 19:07.36 | robboplus | hm i managed to forget once again how to sort this issue out: WARNING: `aclocal-1.4' is needed, and you do not seem to have it handy |
| 19:07.41 | jetscreamer | !tell aoomSdude -about backports |
| 19:07.45 | robboplus | nothing like aclocal in rep |
| 19:08.17 | flami | beep , acroread doesnt have the opeion to print several pages on 1 sheet |
| 19:09.39 | Shadur | xingu: *nod* |
| 19:09.57 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: any luck? |
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| 19:10.43 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: with /var/log/dmesg|grep cd ||dvd |
| 19:10.46 | jetscreamer | uh question |
| 19:10.48 | Shadur | Okay, specifically locked out ports 137-139 to marduk on the router. |
| 19:10.54 | robboplus | !aclocal |
| 19:10.58 | Shadur | xingu: ... That seems to have done it. |
| 19:10.58 | jetscreamer | will that || match both, or jus tthe second if the first fails |
| 19:11.04 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: i don't see anything that might be of help |
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| 19:11.27 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: when i do that i see my cdrom on the last line |
| 19:11.40 | jetscreamer | it's talking about sg module |
| 19:11.47 | jetscreamer | generic scsi |
| 19:12.02 | S4nD3r | ready... I put sis in xorg.conf |
| 19:12.07 | S4nD3r | nothing different happened |
| 19:12.09 | Shadur | Looking at it for a few minutes to see if it recurs. |
| 19:12.20 | theLichKing | i got usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2.. no sg anywhere |
| 19:12.22 | xingu | Shadur: right, so what we have is 1/ your kernel is generating an event(!) when a new process (possibly new uid) pops into existance I think; 2/ - smbd is doing this either once or repeatedly |
| 19:12.31 | wols | S4nD3r: restarted X? |
| 19:12.35 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 19:12.45 | themill | flami: pdfnup is in the pdfjam package. |
| 19:12.54 | wols | S4nD3r: then you should have 2D acceleration now |
| 19:12.56 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: right under the usb stuff i get sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 52x/52x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray |
| 19:13.01 | xingu | Shadur: is this an selinux environment? be helpful if I could rule that out |
| 19:13.14 | S4nD3r | how to try it ? |
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| 19:13.20 | wols | S4nD3r: it won't look any different and you still can't run a composite manager |
| 19:13.22 | Shadur | xingu: Nope. |
| 19:13.25 | wols | S4nD3r: try what? |
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| 19:13.32 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: i don't... it looks as though there is cdrom drive at all |
| 19:13.34 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: it may be a bit peppier though |
| 19:13.37 | Shadur | .... And there it just went again. The hell? |
| 19:13.39 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: probably not supported? |
| 19:13.40 | xingu | Shadur: grep SECURITY /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:13.49 | xingu | Shadur: is it still uid 1001 ? |
| 19:13.59 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: i'm gonna try this http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 19:13.59 | S4nD3r | wols: 2D acceleration |
| 19:14.08 | jetscreamer | theLichKing: no, you have a dvd, you installed with it, the damn thing is there in the box... |
| 19:14.15 | wols | S4nD3r: it will "just work". nothing special as soon as the driver is loaded |
| 19:14.17 | Matteo_ | I ve just installed a nvidia graphic card |
| 19:14.19 | theLichKing | jetscreamer: exactly |
| 19:14.20 | jetscreamer | might help |
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| 19:14.29 | Matteo_ | How I can configure it? |
| 19:14.35 | Shadur | xingu: For some reason samba restarted itself. WTF. Hang on, digging. |
| 19:14.38 | wols | S4nD3r: but for the dock you will need 3D acceleration and that your card can never give you |
| 19:14.39 | Matteo_ | to work with linux? |
| 19:14.40 | jetscreamer | Matteo_: you have a choice: you can do it the debian way, or the nvidia way |
| 19:14.42 | S4nD3r | How do I know that the driver is loaded? |
| 19:14.45 | xingu | Shadur: check inetd.conf |
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| 19:14.54 | wols | Matteo_: what debian version, what card? |
| 19:14.57 | Shadur | xingu: Just did. Nope, samba is standalone. |
| 19:15.00 | jetscreamer | !tell Matteo_ -about nvidia |
| 19:15.04 | wols | S4nD3r: check your Xorg.0.log |
| 19:15.19 | xingu | Shadur: I'll leave it with you, scratching my head still about these bloody kernel events, what a total misfeature. |
| 19:15.21 | robboplus | !ip |
| 19:15.21 | dpkg | robboplus IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol], or to check yours, go to http://iplookup.flashfxp.com/, or if you don't have a piece of official looking paper declaring your ownership (or even if you do) it probably belongs to SCO (or they'll lock you up in court for a couple years in a pretense that it is) |
| 19:15.22 | Matteo_ | yes |
| 19:15.28 | robboplus | nonono |
| 19:15.33 | wols | Matteo_: yes is not the answer to my question |
| 19:15.34 | Matteo_ | I have an nvidia grafic card |
| 19:15.40 | wols | Matteo_: WHICH one? |
| 19:15.47 | Shadur | ... Fuck you, monit. Okay, at least that had a simple explanation. |
| 19:15.49 | jetscreamer | Matteo_: spanish? |
| 19:15.53 | Matteo_ | and now I have to configure xorg.conf I think |
| 19:16.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I'm nude |
| 19:16.01 | wols | Matteo_: answer my question! |
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| 19:16.10 | Matteo_ | sorry.. |
| 19:16.12 | cizzi | how do I uninstall cupsd? i tried apt-get remove cupsd and dpkg --purge cupsd but it keeps comming back when i reboot |
| 19:16.13 | wols | Nyle: and you look even more fugly than usual |
| 19:16.17 | MrTelephone | is that vmsplice fix patched in 2.6.18+etch? |
| 19:16.17 | Nyle | hah ok |
| 19:16.19 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:16.19 | dvs | Nyle: ewwwwwwwwww |
| 19:16.20 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i really don't like that you told me that, because so am i |
| 19:16.26 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:16.27 | wols | cizzi: remove cupsys |
| 19:16.27 | robboplus | hm which packet was ip command in? |
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| 19:16.32 | Nyle | oh shit |
| 19:16.33 | cizzi | wols thanks |
| 19:16.35 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 19:16.37 | Nyle | nm |
| 19:16.40 | wols | !tell MrTelephone about security |
| 19:16.42 | Shadur | xingu: I've got monit running overwatch on the various services. It was configured to restart samba if it missed five checks in a row. |
| 19:16.44 | robboplus | oh wait it's some mad ass orgy here |
| 19:16.47 | Nyle | ow |
| 19:16.54 | xingu | Shadur: np |
| 19:16.57 | Matteo_ | nvidia ge foece 2 mx/mx 400 |
| 19:17.18 | xingu | Shadur: ok; can you try something creative like udevmonitor --env in one tty, then su - 1001 in another? |
| 19:17.20 | wols | Matteo_: you need the nvidia legacy drivers |
| 19:17.21 | Shadur | There. Disabled and stopped. This'll be a fun discussion tomorrow, yay. |
| 19:17.22 | jetscreamer | you want the legacy |
| 19:17.30 | Shadur | xingu: Yes I can. Hang on. |
| 19:17.31 | xingu | Shadur: see if that generates the same kernel event? |
| 19:17.38 | kirillov | wols: hi :) so, how can i set up my problem with gdm? |
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| 19:17.44 | Matteo_ | and where I can take? |
| 19:17.59 | jetscreamer | ignu: homie |
| 19:18.01 | S4nD3r | Just one thing... When I boot with a liveCD, I have avant+compiz (xfce) running !!! Is that correct? |
| 19:18.02 | MrTelephone | so I should be patched? |
| 19:18.03 | wols | kirillov: I asked you somethings. untill you answer I can't help you |
| 19:18.16 | MrTelephone | how do you compile the vmsplice exploit in debian? |
| 19:18.18 | ignu | yo, waddup, jetscreamer? |
| 19:18.18 | S4nD3r | I dont have 3D effects, but I have the dock running ! |
| 19:18.23 | jetscreamer | ignu: and you have excellent taste in isp's, and have for quite a while it seems |
| 19:18.38 | wols | MrTelephone: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 19:18.45 | Shadur | xingu: So far, no. |
| 19:18.47 | ignu | :-) thx jets |
| 19:19.02 | xingu | Shadur: ok, this is a good thing |
| 19:19.06 | kirillov | wols: tjanks so much 4 your time :) but i had to run away .. i don't remember what u asked me :) |
| 19:19.35 | wols | kirillov: stop X and gdm, then run as root /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 19:19.41 | xingu | Shadur: next question is what is needed to poke this into existence |
| 19:19.44 | kirillov | ok |
| 19:19.48 | Matteo_ | wols where I can take nvidia driver? |
| 19:19.59 | wols | !tell Matteo_ about nvidia |
| 19:20.04 | jetscreamer | Matteo_: read what the bot told you |
| 19:20.09 | xingu | Shadur: maybe try running smbd as that user, nonforking if there's an option for it? (think there is from memory) |
| 19:20.11 | jetscreamer | that's the second time btw |
| 19:20.11 | wols | !tell Matteo_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:20.17 | Bushmills | grr... "rubygems too old to build ruby-opengl. Please update: gem update --system" ... "gem update --system is disabled on Debian. RubyGems can be updated using the official Debian repositories by aptitude or apt-get" |
| 19:20.22 | wols | !tell Matteo_ about nvidia legacy |
| 19:21.03 | xsdg | Bushmills: and? |
| 19:21.17 | xingu | Shadur: smbd -i |
| 19:21.22 | Bushmills | "rubygems is already the newest version." |
| 19:21.34 | jetscreamer | backport? |
| 19:21.34 | aoomSdude | Are most things enable in the defaul debian kernel config? its taking over 30 minutes compiling it.. |
| 19:21.43 | jetscreamer | yes aoomSdude |
| 19:21.44 | xsdg | Bushmills: I presume you're using stable. is there a backport of a newer... err... what jetscreamer said |
| 19:21.44 | xingu | Shadur: again spying on udev, trying to tickle that kernel /add/ event. |
| 19:21.51 | dvs | aoomSdude: yes |
| 19:21.51 | Bushmills | that's on sid |
| 19:21.56 | jetscreamer | it's meant to cover everythink |
| 19:21.58 | jetscreamer | thing |
| 19:22.01 | xsdg | Bushmills: what version do you have? |
| 19:22.01 | aoomSdude | jetscreamer: bad idea to disable some things? |
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| 19:22.07 | Shadur | file_init: Information only: requested 10000 open files, 1004 are available. |
| 19:22.08 | Shadur | Failed to open /var/lib/samba/secrets.tdb |
| 19:22.13 | dvs | aoomSdude: it's a good idea |
| 19:22.17 | jetscreamer | aoomSdude: no, not as long as you don't disable something you need |
| 19:22.23 | dvs | aoomSdude: if the kernel is only for one machine |
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| 19:22.37 | xsdg | Bushmills: and what are you trying to do? |
| 19:22.40 | Bushmills | xsdg: version 1.0.1-4 of rubygems, as it is in sid |
| 19:22.47 | xingu | Shadur: did it bomb back to prompt or did it stay running? |
| 19:22.53 | aoomSdude | I guess the wait is worth, since it _WILL_ work |
| 19:22.58 | Bushmills | xsdg: running gl_tail |
| 19:23.02 | aoomSdude | if i mess it with it most probably it wont :) |
| 19:23.03 | Shadur | Bombed back to prompt. |
| 19:23.19 | xingu | Shadur: hmm; try again as root? |
| 19:23.20 | jetscreamer | aoomSdude: did you use make-kpkg --initrd ? |
| 19:23.23 | xsdg | Bushmills: what is the latest gems version? and can't you just download the source, copy the debian/ directory to the newer one, and build it? |
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| 19:23.32 | aoomSdude | jetscreamer: its running |
| 19:23.42 | dvs | aoomSdude: but did you use the --initrd option? |
| 19:23.43 | jetscreamer | but did you pass the --initrd switch |
| 19:23.47 | Bushmills | xsdg: possibly/probably. will probably have to. |
| 19:23.55 | robboplus | is there anyone to help me out with iptables based ip forwarding? i need to originate packets for a certain host from my other ip that i wish to bind on the box first |
| 19:24.03 | Bushmills | as the alternatives have been disqualified |
| 19:24.09 | xingu | Shadur: then once it's running use smbclient to connect as some user to their share and ls the content? again trying to find a reproducable here to tickle that uevent out |
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| 19:24.11 | Shadur | Started. Nothing so far. |
| 19:24.23 | kirillov | wols: anything happen |
| 19:24.29 | robboplus | i tried in #iptables but got stoned by a pro who refused to explain this in human readible details.. |
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| 19:24.41 | aoomSdude | jetscreamer, dvs : yes, http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 19:24.42 | kirillov | ctrl+alt+back to stop X |
| 19:24.42 | Bushmills | xsdg: though I have no idea yet what to do with ruby libs. |
| 19:25.01 | xsdg | Bushmills: looks like the package is broken. the latest version of rubygems.org is 1.0.1 |
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| 19:25.02 | kirillov | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:25.06 | xsdg | s#of#on# |
| 19:25.08 | kirillov | /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 19:25.09 | Shadur | xingu: If I wait five minutes the webstats aggegrator on the windows machine will try to access the weblogs shares. |
| 19:25.14 | kirillov | nothing |
| 19:25.20 | frog | hi, where can i change the file associations? i wish, that the images are opened with gwenview(they are opened with gimp). i'm using sid/lenny metacity and wanna do the assitiations for nautilus. |
| 19:25.22 | Shadur | ... There we go. |
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| 19:25.54 | xsdg | frog: are you using GNOME? it should have some sort of control panel thingie for file associations |
| 19:26.17 | Shadur | It happened again. Hang on, I'll pipe samba debug output into a file as well... |
| 19:26.28 | frog | xsdg: yes, but i have done it there. it doesn't work for me |
| 19:26.28 | xingu | Shadur: perfect |
| 19:26.29 | cahoot | frog: open-with doesn't give you the option to associate for the future? |
| 19:26.44 | Shadur | xingu: For certain values of 'perfect', at least :) |
| 19:27.30 | frog | cahoot: oh, stupid /me. thx |
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| 19:27.33 | Shadur | Bingo! |
| 19:27.47 | aoomSdude | Is sid usable/stable ? |
| 19:27.50 | frog | xsdg, cahoot: problem solved |
| 19:27.56 | frog | xsdg, cahoot: thx |
| 19:27.58 | aoomSdude | *debian sid |
| 19:27.58 | xsdg | np |
| 19:28.04 | jetscreamer | aoomSdude: if you have to ask, no |
| 19:28.10 | Shadur | Hang on, I'll gzip. |
| 19:28.15 | jetscreamer | stuff breaks |
| 19:28.24 | jetscreamer | you must know how to deal |
| 19:28.33 | aoomSdude | jetscreamer: nothing breaks in etch? :) |
| 19:28.43 | dvs | aoomSdude: hardly |
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| 19:29.01 | aoomSdude | jetscreamer: i used archlinux before and everything always broke so i am used to fixing.. |
| 19:29.01 | wols | the biggest etch problem is new hardware |
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| 19:29.13 | aoomSdude | wols: exactly :( |
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| 19:29.18 | dvs | wols: yup |
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| 19:29.22 | Shadur | xingu: Sending the url in /msg. |
| 19:29.28 | aoomSdude | thats why i need a fresh new kernel |
| 19:29.32 | wols | aoomSdude: most time a nice backport kernel fixes it tho |
| 19:29.34 | dvs | I was expecting a new kernel in 4.0r3 but no such luck |
| 19:29.41 | aoomSdude | no sound |
| 19:29.41 | Kurogane | Buenas, alguien sabe como puedo visualizar que proceso me esta ocupando X memoria? |
| 19:29.51 | wols | Decepticon: etch and a half has one.. if it ever comes :) |
| 19:29.51 | Shadur | ~tell Kurogane about spanish |
| 19:29.55 | aoomSdude | wols: the backport kernel doesnt seem to fix my sound issues |
| 19:30.01 | Decepticon | right on!! |
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| 19:30.04 | wols | aoomSdude: what soundcard? |
| 19:30.09 | aoomSdude | hda-intel |
| 19:30.14 | Kurogane | omg sorry i miss typo wrong chan |
| 19:30.16 | dvs | figures |
| 19:30.19 | wols | aoomSdude: more info needeed |
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| 19:30.32 | Shadur | xingu: registered, sent. |
| 19:30.34 | aoomSdude | wols: Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
| 19:30.37 | wols | aoomSdude: who made the mobo, what chipset, etc |
| 19:30.40 | xingu | Shadur: ... nothing. :) |
| 19:30.42 | wols | aoomSdude: figures |
| 19:30.46 | Kurogane | anyways, the question is. how i can view the amount memory have in X process |
| 19:31.04 | aoomSdude | wols: know of a solution? :) |
| 19:31.05 | wols | aoomSdude: what kernel did you try? whcich was the higehst version? |
| 19:31.09 | xingu | Shadur: there we go |
| 19:31.36 | aoomSdude | wols: at the moment i am compiling the latest version manually. |
| 19:31.38 | wols | aoomSdude: there is an easy, expesnive solution: buy better hardwre :) |
| 19:31.48 | wols | aoomSdude: .24? |
| 19:31.53 | aoomSdude | wols: yeah I learned my lesson the hard way.. |
| 19:31.57 | aoomSdude | .24-2 |
| 19:32.09 | aoomSdude | Nothing cheap is ever good |
| 19:32.14 | Shadur | xingu: What I think is happening is the webstats program not closing any files until it's done the whole lot, and it's slamming smack into a max-open-files limit somewhere and that causes the mes. |
| 19:32.15 | Kurogane | not one knows? =( |
| 19:32.16 | aoomSdude | even if the specs are great :-P |
| 19:32.18 | Shadur | *mess, even |
| 19:32.37 | aoomSdude | wols: does debian run nicely on macs? |
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| 19:33.55 | xingu | Shadur: this could be related to CONFIG_FAIR_USER_SCHED, verifying. |
| 19:33.57 | xsdg | aoomSdude: "yes," from the experiences of a friend of mine |
| 19:34.11 | Shadur | xingu: Possible. Lemme check the kernel config. |
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| 19:34.25 | xsdg | aoomSdude: #debian-mac or #mac-debian or something like that should exist |
| 19:34.26 | Shadur | CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED=y |
| 19:34.26 | Shadur | CONFIG_FAIR_USER_SCHED=y |
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| 19:34.40 | aoomSdude | xsdg: I think that a thinkpad would be the ideal laptop for a debian install. |
| 19:34.56 | xingu | Shadur: shit, it probably is too |
| 19:34.56 | xsdg | aoomSdude: that's likely true |
| 19:35.22 | dvs | I though an HP laptop would be good too but I've heard otherwise |
| 19:35.26 | aoomSdude | That was my fist preference, but didn't want to spend the extra $500 |
| 19:35.46 | xsdg | aoomSdude: a mac would be cheaper than a thinkpad? what sort of specs are you looking for? |
| 19:35.57 | aoomSdude | i am on a gateway not mac |
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| 19:36.04 | aoomSdude | mac and thinkpads are around the same price |
| 19:36.27 | xingu | Shadur: lose it to normalise for the moment I'd suggest |
| 19:36.34 | xsdg | aoomSdude: I don't see how your question about macs relates to your comment about thinkpads, then |
| 19:36.46 | xingu | Shadur: I'll try and find out a bit more about what's going on |
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| 19:37.02 | aoomSdude | xsdg: nevermind |
| 19:37.19 | aoomSdude | macs and thinkpads are pretty nice hardware-wise |
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| 19:37.45 | aoomSdude | everything else is pretty much the same |
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| 19:38.04 | xsdg | aoomSdude: I'm not sure about the newest macs, but I've been hearing from friends that mac hardware has sort of been going downhill in terms of quality |
| 19:38.13 | xsdg | aoomSdude: and of course, the hinges on the iBooks were horrible |
| 19:38.16 | Shadur | xingu: Thanks. Is there a way to disable the fair-user scheduler without recompiling the kernel? My boss is going to blow a stack if I tell him we need another reboot... |
| 19:38.44 | aoomSdude | xsdg: I guess I don't know what I am talking about. |
| 19:39.04 | dvs | Shadur: what's the big deal about a reboot? |
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| 19:39.13 | xsdg | aoomSdude: don't worry, I sort of don't either :o) |
| 19:39.19 | xsdg | dvs: you don't want to reboot servers |
| 19:39.44 | Shadur | dvs: Having to explain to about eighty paying customers why their websites weren't available. |
| 19:39.53 | xingu | Shadur: understandable; would suggest you stress this on _another_ box to isolate; ie prove the fault then prove the cure then think about downtime |
| 19:40.08 | Shadur | xingu: 'zactamundo. |
| 19:40.14 | xingu | Shadur: still looking for mitigation without reboot but doubt the odds are good short of killing udev... |
| 19:40.27 | xingu | Shadur: which shouldn't be a huge deal until your next window to be honest |
| 19:41.00 | aoomSdude | http://www.svlug.org/events/refund/jpb/page1.html |
| 19:41.06 | Shadur | I've got a spare box or two, but if the bug is related to what happens if, say, samba tries to open hundreds of files at once that'll be fun to reproduce. |
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| 19:41.27 | xingu | Shadur: doubt it's samba specific |
| 19:41.31 | piju | got an alternative to run java applet on amd64 ? |
| 19:41.44 | Shadur | Anyway, it seems to have gone quiet now. interupts, CPU usage and memory load all back to normal parameters. |
| 19:41.47 | xingu | Shadur: you should be able to ticklet it by backgrounding a bunch of sleep's with a "wait" at the end of a script |
| 19:41.53 | piju | i heard that sun doesnt develope java re on amd64 |
| 19:42.11 | xingu | Shadur: it's not all over yet; you still maybe got smb/cifs browse traffic snowing you from the internet side? |
| 19:42.25 | Shadur | Anyway, I'm going to go and explain to someone why I missed the dinner date by three and a half hours. |
| 19:42.27 | xingu | Shadur: test that too; tcpdump, see what leaks through your packet filters |
| 19:42.30 | xingu | Shadur: *nod* |
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| 19:42.46 | Shadur | xingu: Blocked nmb/smb at the router right now. I'll look at it tomorrow. |
| 19:42.52 | xingu | Shadur: nb if this can be provoked from smbd you bet your bootie it can be tickled from httpd->php->exec |
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| 19:45.03 | xingu | Shadur: yep looks about 98% likely that FAIR_USER_SCHED + SYSFS will try to maintain /sys/kernel/uids kobjects |
| 19:45.04 | Shadur | xingu: I'm aware, and the awareness makes me very, very unhappy. But at least it'll be more ammo in convincing the boss to sign off on disabling it. |
| 19:45.05 | kirillov | wols: i've tried 3 times, anything happen |
| 19:45.24 | xingu | Shadur: and guess what, this means one event per kobject create/destroy |
| 19:45.25 | Shadur | xingu: Bingo. I've got sysfs. |
| 19:45.38 | kirillov | then i did dpkg-reconfigure gdm and it said: Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. |
| 19:45.40 | xingu | ok |
| 19:45.45 | xingu | wols: you still awake? |
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| 19:48.27 | xingu | Shadur: ok in fullness the issue is the first process for a given user I think; if you're still here check /sys/kernel/uids/ ? |
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| 19:50.51 | xingu | Shadur: what's doing the damage is ...src/linux/kernel/user.c:{user_kobject_create(),remove_user_sysfs_dir()}:kobject_uevent() |
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| 19:51.19 | nascentmind | hi |
| 19:51.46 | nascentmind | can i get open source drivers for ati? |
| 19:51.51 | dvs | ha! |
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| 19:52.51 | LaicepS | hi. |
| 19:53.36 | peppe | nascentmind: uh? xserver-xorg-video-ati? or what? |
| 19:53.38 | LaicepS | My x server (xorg) is unstable, i often have some freeze which are something like 30/1mn long.. |
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| 19:54.20 | LaicepS | Can anyone help me ? |
| 19:54.21 | nascentmind | peppe: no i mean in general did ati give complete information so that people can write drivers? |
| 19:54.43 | ignu | How do I figure out what chipsets I have on peripheral devices? (like a pcmcia wifi card or a usb wifi card) |
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| 19:55.02 | dvs | ignu: usually "lscpi" |
| 19:55.31 | xsdg | ignu: lspci |
| 19:55.35 | dvs | that too |
| 19:55.38 | peppe | nascentmind: no. amd released just some spec, you can find them http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ |
| 19:55.44 | aoomSdude | Is there any universal indenting setting that works for all langauges? |
| 19:55.47 | ignu | dvs, xsdg: thx :-) |
| 19:55.54 | aoomSdude | *in VIM |
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| 19:57.30 | peppe | nascentmind: but they're far from complete, cover 2D only, some part (video acceleration & co) will never be released because of DRM (amd said that they will fix this in newer chipset design) |
| 19:57.42 | peppe | nascentmind: in other words: use nvidia or intel. |
| 19:57.59 | dvs | intel is way more open |
| 19:59.21 | aoomSdude | What is the purpose of grub's single-user mode kernel line in debian? |
| 19:59.33 | nascentmind | dvs: but is intel better than ati or nvidia? |
| 19:59.37 | dvs | aoomSdude: in case something goes REALLY bad |
| 19:59.54 | dvs | nascentmind: intel is not as fast |
| 20:00.02 | aoomSdude | dvs: single user always runs? |
| 20:00.16 | peppe | nascentmind: not at all, intel doesn't produce mid- and high-end cards |
| 20:00.19 | dvs | aoomSdude: not always but most of the time |
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| 20:00.36 | peppe | nascentmind: ati does, but their driver sucks |
| 20:00.39 | aoomSdude | disabling mutltiple logins? |
| 20:00.47 | ignu | dvs, xsdg (or anyone): 'lspci' gives me '06:00.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc DFE-690TXD CardBus PC Card (rev 10)' |
| 20:00.48 | ignu | what part of that tells me what my chipset is? |
| 20:01.02 | dvs | aoomSdude: yes, it's meant for you to fix the system if something goes wrong. |
| 20:01.15 | peppe | aoomSdude: maybe starting your system in runlevel 1 to recover it, if something goes wrong |
| 20:01.17 | xsdg | ignu: the "google the name and 'linux' part :o) |
| 20:01.35 | pbn | hello, since I have upgraded to linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 on a etch machine, the display is unreadable on the screen, it seems to go into some wrong frambuffer mode... how can I fix this ? |
| 20:01.40 | dvs | ignu: You want a wired network? |
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| 20:02.39 | edistar | pbn: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:02.52 | ignu | dvs: I actually have a different item I need to find, but I have to pull out my wired-card before I can put in the wireless card (then I will be disconnected from all of this wonderful chat) |
| 20:02.52 | pbn | edistar: no, xserver is not installed |
| 20:03.04 | peppe | pbn: do you pass a vga= option to the kernel? |
| 20:03.07 | pbn | this is a text-mode only machine, with a 9 inch black and white display |
| 20:03.12 | pbn | peppe: it's possible |
| 20:03.19 | edistar | pbn: sry, misread |
| 20:03.24 | pbn | peppe: that's in /boot/grub/menu.lst right ? |
| 20:03.30 | peppe | pbn: ok, don't pass it or try other values |
| 20:03.33 | peppe | pbn: yes |
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| 20:04.08 | ignu | dvs: the wireless card is d-link dwl-g650 |
| 20:05.02 | dvs | !hcl |
| 20:05.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 20:05.16 | dvs | ignu: go to the kmuto.jp link |
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| 20:06.22 | Phaelonius | hi! |
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| 20:06.33 | bulio | I have a Brother HL-2040 laser printer hooked up to a Ubuntu Server with CUPS installed |
| 20:06.36 | ignu | dvs: I am there. What am I looking for? |
| 20:06.51 | bulio | I installed the CUPS wrapper for it from this page: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html |
| 20:06.56 | dvs | ignu: do what it says at the top of the page |
| 20:06.58 | bulio | but for some reason when I print, the printer has the right marging completely off, and some of the page gets cut off |
| 20:07.10 | bulio | I have tried printing from 2 different computers but they both have the problem |
| 20:07.18 | bulio | anyone have an idea on what might be wrong? |
| 20:08.06 | peppe | ignu: is has an atheros chip. use madwifi drivers |
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| 20:09.06 | peppe | dpkg: tell ignu about madwifi install |
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| 20:09.57 | ignu | dvs:I don't understand, at the top of the page it says, "Kenshi Muto [->Japanese][Edit History][All Pages][Recent Changes]Hi, My name is Kenshi MUTO. "武藤 健志" in Japanese. PHOTO If you'd like to contact me, please send a mail to <kmuto at debian.org> or <kmuto at kmuto.jp>. |
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| 20:10.06 | dante_2core | bulio, no idea, used hl2030 here but with lpr |
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| 20:10.21 | dvs | ignu: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 20:10.27 | ignu | peppe: should I 'apt-get install madwifi' ? |
| 20:10.37 | cusco | bulio: read this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+question/11676 |
| 20:10.51 | cusco | ignu: you can't |
| 20:10.57 | cusco | !madwifi one-liner |
| 20:11.31 | cusco | !madwifi-install |
| 20:11.31 | dpkg | [madwifi-install] ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 20:12.46 | brif8 | right now evolution is 2.12.3 Is there anyway to get apt-get to install an older version by specifiying the version say I can not get IMAP over SSL to work with 2.12.3 no matter what I do |
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| 20:15.46 | ignu | cusco: bearing in mind that ignu (my nick) stands for Ignorant Newbie, can I ignore the part about 'ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources> and paste everything from 'apg-get' through 'ath_pci' ? |
| 20:16.14 | ignu | cusco: I don't really know what 'ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>' means |
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| 20:17.49 | simonrvn | means you /msg the bot (dpkg usually) for those 'factoids' |
| 20:18.02 | simonrvn | i.e. |
| 20:18.11 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg contrib |
| 20:18.21 | ignu | cusco (or anyone): I pasted in 'apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci' and got a bunch of install stuff followed by 'E: Couldn't find package madwifi-tools' |
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| 20:18.56 | dvs | ignu: hence the nonfree and contrib part |
| 20:19.51 | aoomSdud1 | wols: compiling the latest kernel fixed the video card \0/ :) Do you think the latest backport kernel would fix it as well? |
| 20:20.04 | mikue | Hi. I've messed up my dual-boot grub config. it seems i have multiple grub installs. my partiton table is a bit messed up:http://pastebin.com/dc0d3be9. And i have a bios problem recognizing ide disk size (160gb) on old mobo. |
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| 20:23.19 | hetOrakel | hi, when is start Xsane as root my scanner at /dev/sg0 works fine, when i start Xsane as me it does not see the scanner i added myself to the group scanner |
| 20:23.30 | hetOrakel | should i refresh something? |
| 20:23.41 | dvs | hetOrakel: log out and in again |
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| 20:23.53 | Lycus | Anyone here ever setup a BT tracker? |
| 20:23.59 | hetOrakel | ok, ill b right back |
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| 20:26.32 | ignu | any additional guidance anyone? I read the bot info about contrib and non-free sources, but I still don't know how to 'apt-get install' madwifi |
| 20:26.46 | hetOrakel | ok dvs thx, sometimes it's simple ;) |
| 20:26.57 | dvs | hetOrakel: no prob |
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| 20:27.30 | dvs | ignu: did you do the contrib and non-free stuff? |
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| 20:27.59 | hetOrakel | i lost my nickserv pass |
| 20:28.06 | hetOrakel | does any1 know how to reset |
| 20:28.35 | mikue | Simple question: if grub files are located on /boot (separate partition) do i setup to mbr or to that partition? |
| 20:28.48 | Solid | ive added a new NIC how do i install it in debain (any text base setup) ? |
| 20:29.04 | joltcan | mikue: If you wanna use that boot as your bootloader, then mbr |
| 20:29.18 | dvs | mikue: you set the mbr to the /boot partition (or the partition that the /boot directory is in) |
| 20:29.37 | mikue | joltcan. tx |
| 20:29.43 | dvs | solid, wired or wireless? |
| 20:29.48 | Solid | wired |
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| 20:29.56 | ignu | dvs: I don't know how. It says, 'To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end.' but I don't understand how to do that :( |
| 20:29.57 | mikue | dvs: by setting setup (hd0,2) for instance? |
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| 20:30.22 | dvs | mikue: yes |
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| 20:30.35 | powergoa1 | Where does the default installation of debian put the kernel config? I am trying to recompile my kernel using the old config as a the base |
| 20:30.37 | mikue | dvs: thanks |
| 20:30.42 | aoomSdud1 | Does the latest catalyst driver found on the ati site work better than the fglrx driver that comes with etch? |
| 20:30.43 | joltcan | mikue: Yes, or use grub-install /dev/<foo> |
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| 20:31.05 | dvs | ignu: as root, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file. add "contrib" and "non-free" to the end of your deb line. |
| 20:31.25 | dvs | ignu: that's what it's saying. |
| 20:31.33 | Solid | during installation i saw eth0 but now i cant see it (the cable is unplugged) |
| 20:31.48 | mikue | joltcan: i did. i get grub prompt. but after reboot, same prompt and no boot menu |
| 20:32.00 | ignu | dvs: how do I edit my /etc/apt/sources.list file ... I've never done that and don't know how |
| 20:32.04 | dvs | Solid: it shouldn't matter if it's plugged in or not. |
| 20:32.06 | hetOrakel | how can i get rid of the stupid networking icon (Lenny/Gnome) |
| 20:32.15 | joltcan | mikue: use update-grub to get a nice grub config first |
| 20:32.31 | Solid | but i cant see it now it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:32.35 | dvs | ignu: with a text editor. If you haven't used one of those, you're screwed. |
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| 20:33.27 | ignu | dvs: okay, sorry I wasn't understanding. I do know how to edit text. |
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| 20:34.21 | insider- | what do i need to do my prism2 pcmcia to work? |
| 20:34.26 | insider- | what module ? |
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| 20:34.37 | Solid | so how sould i add the nic ? |
| 20:34.44 | munkn | Hey! I'm getting pretty sick of my touchpad. I can't turn off TapMode |
| 20:34.58 | joltcan | Solid: man interfaces could give you some hints |
| 20:35.05 | bulio | cusco: that doesn't really mention my problem |
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| 20:36.26 | bulio | paper size is set to letter, which I assume is standard paper size? |
| 20:36.47 | insider- | i compile the linux-wlan-ng but i dont know where the modules go! |
| 20:37.21 | bulio | I have a Brother HL-2040 laser printer hooked up to a Ubuntu Server with CUPS installed |
| 20:37.22 | bulio | I installed the CUPS wrapper for it from this page: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html |
| 20:37.24 | bulio | but for some reason when I print, the printer has the right marging completely off, and some of the page gets cut off |
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| 20:37.26 | bulio | I have tried printing from 2 different computers but they both have the problem |
| 20:37.28 | bulio | anyone have an idea on what might be wrong? |
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| 20:38.23 | munkn | Does anyone know how to set up gysnaptics? I've added SHMConfig true in xorg.conf, but it still whines ;s |
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| 20:39.05 | Eulex | munkn, you're using the synaptics driver, right? |
| 20:39.13 | munkn | :o |
| 20:39.26 | munkn | I'm pretty sure I do. |
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| 20:40.03 | munkn | I have the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package |
| 20:40.21 | ignu | dvs: I found the file and ran a command 'nano sources.list file' the two most likely lines that I may need to edit are 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main' and 'deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib' ... so should I make sure both lines have both 'contrib' and 'non-free' at the end? |
| 20:40.37 | dvs | ignu: yes |
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| 20:40.54 | dvs | ignu: the security line already has it |
| 20:40.57 | insider- | any help for me ? :/ |
| 20:41.07 | dvs | ignu: already has contrib |
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| 20:42.30 | munkn | Anything other, Eulex? |
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| 20:42.59 | Eulex | munkn, checked your xorg.conf for whether you're using it? it must explicitly say so. |
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| 20:44.18 | peppe | insider-: linux-wlan-ng is an ordinary package. which modules? |
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| 20:44.28 | insider- | prism2_cs |
| 20:45.04 | peppe | insider-: you've to install linux-wlan-ng-modules |
| 20:45.21 | peppe | insider-: m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng |
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| 20:45.38 | insider- | i cant find it...! should change my sources.list ? |
| 20:45.55 | peppe | insider-: "it" what? |
| 20:46.10 | insider- | the modules package |
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| 20:47.05 | munkn | http://paste.debian.net/49340 Eulex |
| 20:47.07 | munkn | Thats my xorg.conf |
| 20:47.09 | peppe | insider-: you've to compile the modules, install module-assistant and then m-a a-i linux-wlan-ng |
| 20:47.29 | insider- | what is m-a m-i ? |
| 20:47.29 | DawnLight | why is half of kde upgradable? security? which security threat is that? |
| 20:47.40 | Eulex | munkn, and your touchpad is on /dev/psaux? |
| 20:47.42 | dvs | insider-: part of module-assistant |
| 20:48.04 | Eulex | short for module-assistant auto-install |
| 20:48.19 | peppe | DawnLight: look at the changelogs, hm? |
| 20:48.26 | insider- | Eulex, ok! |
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| 20:49.00 | mikue | dvs: doesn´t work |
| 20:49.02 | munkn | How can I check that, Eulex? |
| 20:49.09 | dvs | !doesn't work |
| 20:49.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:50.02 | Eulex | munkn, you cat the device, and the touch the touchpad to check whether you get crap into the terminal |
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| 20:50.37 | munkn | ye |
| 20:50.38 | munkn | I do |
| 20:50.47 | Eulex | ok |
| 20:50.50 | Eulex | then I don't know |
| 20:51.01 | Eulex | perhaps check your Xorg.0.log |
| 20:51.05 | DawnLight | wow, this is the first non-security upgrade i've seen in debian |
| 20:51.20 | peppe | DawnLight: are you using etch? |
| 20:51.25 | DawnLight | peppe: yes |
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| 20:51.48 | peppe | DawnLight: then it is an important fix, look at what "stable" means for debian |
| 20:51.54 | munkn | hm |
| 20:51.58 | munkn | I found smth, I think Eulex |
| 20:52.04 | DawnLight | peppe: yes, i'm reading the bugs it fixes |
| 20:52.17 | DawnLight | know them myself |
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| 20:53.31 | mikue | dvs: sorry. i´ve tried setup (hd0) and setup (hdo,2) - where my grub files are and still i only get grub prompt (running from mbr i presume) it detects stage1 and stage2 files. but than fails for missing kernel. |
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| 20:54.38 | Eulex | mikue, have you set the root correctly? |
| 20:54.40 | peppe | munkn: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 20:54.46 | munkn | I'm trying to |
| 20:54.50 | munkn | But I can't copy :( |
| 20:55.08 | mikue | Eulex: how can i check that? |
| 20:55.10 | peppe | munkn: ? |
| 20:55.23 | munkn | I press copy, but when I press paste i get some old copys ;s |
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| 20:55.49 | Eulex | mikue, does it manage to read your menu.lst so you get a proper grub menu when booting? |
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| 20:56.37 | mikue | Eulex: no |
| 20:56.44 | munkn | http://paste.debian.net/49368 Eulex and peppe |
| 20:56.48 | munkn | Might that be the problem? |
| 20:58.05 | Eulex | munkn, yes, very much. |
| 20:58.11 | Eulex | mikue, what are you then entering on the grub prompt when you're trying to boot? |
| 20:58.12 | peppe | munkn: huh. are you sure you've a synaptics touchpad? |
| 20:58.18 | dante_2core | tziku, you still around? |
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| 20:58.37 | peppe | munkn: in dmesg you see lines like "input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /class/input/input3" ? |
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| 20:59.38 | mikue | Eulex: setup (hd0) or setup (hd0,2) |
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| 21:00.41 | Eulex | mikue, does that then complain about missing kernel? |
| 21:00.51 | insider- | m-a build modules only for pci! how can i change it to build pcmcia module ? |
| 21:01.00 | mikue | Eulex: Precisely |
| 21:01.02 | Eulex | odd, it shouldn't need to know that |
| 21:01.26 | munkn | peppe: dmesg | grep "aptic" returns nothign |
| 21:01.39 | munkn | So I'd say no on that one |
| 21:02.07 | mikue | Eulex: partition numbers are not in physical order. Is that a problem? |
| 21:02.31 | Eulex | but you could try entering root (hd0,2) \n kernel /boot/vmlinuz-foo root=foo ro \n initrd /boot/initrd.img-foo before trying to perform the setup? |
| 21:03.11 | peppe | munkn: is "evdev" kernel module loaded? |
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| 21:04.04 | peppe | munkn: I think that you haven't a synaptics touchpad.. |
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| 21:05.02 | munkn | How can I see if evdev is loaded? |
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| 21:05.23 | munkn | Depends, peppe. Whats so special with synaptics touchpads? |
| 21:06.07 | ignu | O-my-freaking-goodness :-) I'm so excited I could wet myself :-) I finally got this wifi card to work!!! THANKS so much to everyone who helped me make it happen |
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| 21:07.04 | debian-is-me | Hello |
| 21:07.14 | debian-is-me | Is /dev/random really slow? |
| 21:07.27 | azeem | debian-is-me: what's the context? |
| 21:07.28 | munkn | I know it's an Elantech touchpad, peppe |
| 21:07.54 | debian-is-me | azeem: Filling an 80gb hardrive with nonsense... |
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| 21:09.22 | Eulex | debian-is-me, eh, well, using /dev/random for that might need just a little bit too much banging on the keyboard.... |
| 21:09.35 | azeem | debian-is-me: did you at least use /dev/urandomÃ? |
| 21:09.41 | debian-is-me | Eulex: How long time? |
| 21:09.42 | azeem | debian-is-me: there are specialized applications for this |
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| 21:10.04 | mikue | Eulex: I just boot supergrub disk and it shows two lines pointing the same thing!!?? |
| 21:10.06 | azeem | debian-is-me: for every byte of entropy, you need several "bytes" of input I guess |
| 21:10.23 | azeem | debian-is-me: so using /dev/random for 80gb probably takes a couple of years, dunno |
| 21:10.26 | debian-is-me | azeem: /dev/urandom isnt safe! |
| 21:10.27 | Eulex | debian-is-me, you should be aware that /dev/random relies on entropy gained through i/o. |
| 21:10.40 | debian-is-me | Wouldnt it come alot fast? |
| 21:10.46 | debian-is-me | If I make it bittorrent? |
| 21:10.53 | azeem | "it"? |
| 21:10.53 | Eulex | mikue, what too lines |
| 21:11.27 | tziku | dante_2core yes i'me here :) |
| 21:11.27 | dante_2core | be back in a sec |
| 21:11.46 | Eulex | debian-is-me, I'm not sure how much, just 'a lot' |
| 21:12.18 | debian-is-me | One guy said 1year each gb |
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| 21:12.36 | mikue | Eulex: I chose "boot GNU/Linux" option and it shows to options pointing to the same partition, my first partition /boot (hd0,2) (my partition numbering is no t on physical order. |
| 21:12.37 | azeem | debian-is-me: so why do you even bother? |
| 21:12.51 | debian-is-me | I want an random disk... |
| 21:13.00 | Eulex | mikue, not in physical order shouldn't make a difference |
| 21:13.08 | debian-is-me | How long time to just manually fill it with 80gb random files? |
| 21:13.14 | azeem | debian-is-me: obviously you're not getting it this way in this life |
| 21:13.40 | debian-is-me | azeem: I would, planning to live at least 80 more years |
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| 21:13.50 | Eulex | azeem, well, you don't know, perhaps he'll have a long one as well as being quite young right now? |
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| 21:14.31 | Facedown | where can i find the fonts folder? |
| 21:14.33 | azeem | debian-is-me: so basically you are just trolling? |
| 21:14.45 | Facedown | someone said nautilus and fonts:/// .. i open nautilus but dont see any address bar at all.. |
| 21:14.55 | debian-is-me | azeem: I want an entirely encrypted disk... |
| 21:15.07 | Eulex | Facedown, /usr/share/fonts. and it's a directory. |
| 21:15.18 | azeem | debian-is-me: please ask elsewhere, this channel is for serious Debian support |
| 21:15.24 | Eulex | Facedown, but yeah, you should prolly go through that gnome-vfs thingy if possible |
| 21:15.25 | Facedown | Eulex: just copy a .ttf there? |
| 21:15.25 | azeem | not your personal wishes |
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| 21:15.52 | debian-is-me | azeem: So ha |
| 21:16.01 | debian-is-me | So encrypting files isnt serious? |
| 21:16.26 | MrTelephone | what should a 720x480 dvd compress too when using mpeg4/divx? |
| 21:16.41 | Eulex | Facedown, not only, put it where it belongs in that directory structure, then run update-fonts-dir in that directory |
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| 21:18.31 | azeem | debian-is-me: how is writing over your harddisk with /dev/random related to encryption? |
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| 21:20.01 | debian-is-me | azeem: If parts of the harddrive is identifyabole as non encrypted data it is easy to crack. If it is random + encrypted data an hacker wouldnt see the diffrence between random and encrypted data. |
| 21:20.19 | inst1 | is there a "livecd" installer of debian? i'm trying to install it to a laptop harddrive that's connected via USB dongle |
| 21:21.20 | debian-is-me | inst1: there is debian live cds |
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| 21:21.59 | mikue | Eulex. I have a /boot partition and my main partition (/) is physically away inside the disk. grub error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS. What options do i have? |
| 21:22.25 | insta | debian-is-me: are those going to help me do what i want? |
| 21:22.27 | Eulex | mikue, one. move/reorder the partitions. |
| 21:22.46 | Eulex | mikue, make sure that the boot partition is within that limit. |
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| 21:23.07 | debian-is-me | insta: It wold, you can install on any harddrive connected to the laptop. |
| 21:23.16 | dante_2core | tziku, did it work in the meantime? |
| 21:23.19 | mikue | Eulex. Its the first one, only 500 MB |
| 21:23.32 | Eulex | heh, that's odd then |
| 21:24.05 | azeem | debian-is-me: are you sure the Debian Live CD has an installer on it? |
| 21:24.12 | Eulex | I was in the belief that only the /boot partition needed to be within that limit |
| 21:24.15 | tziku | dante_2core: meantime ? (i don't know english good, use another word please ) |
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| 21:24.34 | dante_2core | tziku, hmn... in the time between our last conversation and now :D |
| 21:24.43 | debian-is-me | azeem: I know there is debian live cds with instalers on them, I installed from one with kde... |
| 21:24.46 | debian-is-me | i think |
| 21:25.06 | tziku | dante_2core: yes :) now is working i set my network in /etc/network/interfaces and now is working perfectrly |
| 21:25.16 | insta | what would be perfect for me, IMO, is a gentoo-style installer (but with debian, i really cannot stand installing gentoo) |
| 21:25.19 | mikue | Eulex: clean install :(. thanks for your help anyway ;) |
| 21:25.28 | enouf | mikue: tried setting IDE BIOS to AUTO-detect? |
| 21:25.33 | dante_2core | tziku, I see - loopback interface seems to be quite important I guess |
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| 21:25.56 | mikue | enouf: it is already |
| 21:26.06 | enouf | mikue: make sure LBA is enabled if larger than 8.4GB .. |
| 21:26.23 | debian-is-me | Can I download an 80gb file with random data? |
| 21:26.44 | tziku | yup dante_2core :) is good we know now |
| 21:26.59 | mikue | enouf: it is on BIOS setup. Do i have to change any specific partition flag to LBA also? |
| 21:27.00 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, ...? where do you want to get 80gb in one file? :D |
| 21:27.01 | enouf | then maybe your device.map is screwy - sry, i just popped in, reviewing backscroll still |
| 21:27.20 | Eulex | debian-is-me, haha, you want randomness and you're willing to use a *downloadable* file that is available on the internet? |
| 21:27.26 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: I want an encrypted disk, need random data, but it is slow. |
| 21:27.38 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, what is slow? random data output? |
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| 21:27.42 | debian-is-me | Eulex: Yeah, then it is random, and I want have to wait 80years |
| 21:27.52 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: Making random data... |
| 21:28.02 | enouf | mikue: what FS? i know win95/fat use/have an LBA partitionID avail for them |
| 21:28.08 | dante_2core | how are you making it? with /dev/urandom I guess? |
| 21:28.13 | abrotman | debian-is-me: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:28.41 | enouf | mikue: i have no idea what your disk layout looks like |
| 21:28.42 | Eulex | well, if somebody happens to know/find out what random data you used, what's the use of using random data? that's much worse than using /dev/urandom. |
| 21:28.49 | debian-is-me | abrotman: Make myt disk truley encrypted so nothing can crack it. |
| 21:29.05 | abrotman | debian-is-me: fool's errand .. have a nice day |
| 21:29.12 | debian-is-me | Eulex: Can I use a mix of it? |
| 21:29.28 | debian-is-me | A mix of random and non truley random data? |
| 21:29.41 | enouf | debian-is-me: use your mic input and an FM signal tuned to nothing (between channels) |
| 21:29.59 | mikue | enouf: /boot /windows (ntfs) extended fat32, /data fat32, / (root) GNU/linux, swap |
| 21:30.05 | debian-is-me | enouf: Clever, would that be fast? |
| 21:30.16 | enouf | might be |
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| 21:30.36 | enouf | mikue: nice .. lol |
| 21:31.02 | mikue | enouf: want to laugh too :) |
| 21:31.08 | enouf | mikue: ext'd partitions are always a PITA .. well when they |
| 21:31.18 | enouf | 're windows ones |
| 21:31.29 | jetscreamer | extended jus tsucks |
| 21:31.36 | enouf | yeah, that too :-P |
| 21:31.36 | insta | enouf: why not just use ext2ifs? |
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| 21:31.42 | mikue | enouf: PITA?? sorry don´t understand. |
| 21:31.48 | jetscreamer | !pita |
| 21:31.48 | dpkg | [pita] pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
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| 21:32.27 | jetscreamer | what really sucks is when you want to change up a primary when you have extended... |
| 21:32.42 | jetscreamer | thou shalt delete the extended first |
| 21:33.13 | mikue | jetscreamer: Praise the Lord! :) |
| 21:33.30 | jetscreamer | and pass the ammunition |
| 21:33.37 | enouf | mikue: install grub into MBR using grub shell, imho |
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| 21:35.05 | enouf | mikue: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html and http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html .. chainload +1 any winpoop |
| 21:35.41 | mikue | enouf: but it is already installed.There's no remedy. Clean install. No extend partition. Only one question. Since i have the BIOS problem (recnozing the correct disk size -160 gb) should i use a first partiton /boot or not? |
| 21:35.59 | enouf | mikue: example http://pastebin.ca/raw/907761 |
| 21:36.14 | enouf | mikue: old old BIOS? |
| 21:36.26 | enouf | did that HDD come from another computer? |
| 21:36.31 | mikue | enouf: old old old |
| 21:36.35 | enouf | ouch |
| 21:36.40 | mikue | enouf: no |
| 21:36.46 | enouf | new mobo \o/ |
| 21:36.56 | Afk | my load avgs are 1.00 1.00 1.00 and nothign is taking up proc cycles |
| 21:37.02 | Afk | wiki says "each thread waiting to run will add 1 to the load" and i was wondering if there was a way to like kill that queue or whatever |
| 21:37.16 | mikue | enouf: Money krizes here :) |
| 21:37.18 | debian-is-me | Can I use an camera for /dev/random? it can film alot in few minutes |
| 21:37.30 | blubberdiblub | mikue, enouf: some BIOSes dislike some C/H/S combinations even when it would actually fall under the 1024 cylinder limit |
| 21:37.35 | enouf | mikue: brain crisis too ;-) |
| 21:37.55 | mikue | enouf: LOL. not yet :) |
| 21:38.09 | enouf | debian-is-me: /dev/raw ? video ? hrm |
| 21:38.24 | debian-is-me | enouf: Would it be truley random? |
| 21:38.31 | debian-is-me | How can I make random movie? |
| 21:38.36 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, no, it'd be what you film. |
| 21:38.43 | enouf | mikue: does that drive have 2 jumpers? one's a limiter? |
| 21:38.52 | enouf | the 80GB in my paste does |
| 21:39.12 | enouf | i could jumper it down to 64G or 32G even |
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| 21:39.16 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: If I film random stuff? |
| 21:39.18 | crn | does the etch installer recognize scsi drives? |
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| 21:39.28 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, define random |
| 21:39.29 | blubberdiblub | mikue: i once had an old amibios that was doing that to me until i gave in and allowed the c/h/s mapping have 255 (virtual) heads per partition |
| 21:39.37 | mikue | enouf: linux recognizes its real size |
| 21:39.40 | enouf | my BIOS only reports 65,535 MB .. but it's not an issue |
| 21:39.50 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: Equal or randomer than /dev/random |
| 21:39.55 | Robspiere | is there away to install older version of packages with apt-get? |
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| 21:40.33 | enouf | debian-is-me: /join ##linux-coders and ask the headmonkey there ;-) |
| 21:40.52 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, I don't really get why you need so much random data to encrypt a disc, firstly, and secondly, I doubt it really matters how random the data is as long as it comes from you, and thirdly, yes you can use the cam and pretty well to generate huge amounts of data |
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| 21:41.24 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: Any better ways? |
| 21:41.33 | streuner | hm |
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| 21:42.19 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, better ways for what? encrypting your disc? I don't know what programs/tools you're going to use for it, and neither do I know about security of them. |
| 21:42.40 | debian-is-me | No, get random random stuff |
| 21:42.46 | blubberdiblub | mikue: you might want to try the --force-lba option to grub's setup or install command, tho it never had any effect for my cases, but ymmv |
| 21:42.58 | JarJarBinks | apt-get install mplayer ; /usr/bin/mplayer --> segfault ( and /usr/bin/xmms --> segfault) ... where could the error be? I've been trying to match the output of ldd /usr/bin/mplayer with a version of mplayer compiled in ~/opt just to see if they differed... all shared libs used by ~/opt/bin/mplayer is also used (same version and path) in /usr/bin/mplayer there is however used 101 other shared libs in /usr/bin/mplayer which all may |
| 21:43.23 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, all I know is that a _very_ fast way to generate tons of data is to just hook up your firewire camcorder and just cat the device into a file, swinging the camera around randomly |
| 21:43.46 | enouf | (that's what i eluded to) |
| 21:44.15 | dante_2core | enouf, relating to me? :D hard to read on in here, sorry then |
| 21:44.17 | enouf | JarJarBinks: segfaults anywhere else? bad RAM? |
| 21:44.18 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: Can linux do that without encoding? So that there isnt any patterns |
| 21:44.30 | mikue | Thanks everyone. clean install it is. |
| 21:44.31 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, sure - all raw |
| 21:44.31 | gourmand | Robspiere: you can either append =version or use apt-pinning |
| 21:44.40 | JarJarBinks | also dd if=/dev/urandom of=largefile bs=1024 count=<something large> |
| 21:44.41 | enouf | dante_2core: yeah (my comment about /dev/raw ) |
| 21:45.13 | enouf | dante_2core: no worries at all mate ;-) |
| 21:45.31 | dante_2core | enouf, I see... though I still don't know what program needs _so_ much random data to encrypt a hard drive - that's a pita to handle/move/store |
| 21:45.38 | JarJarBinks | enouf: only segfault in xmms and mplayer, (what I know of) and they always segfault (except the one I compiled in a testdir) |
| 21:45.45 | peppe | debian-is-me: /dev/random is a cryptographically secure random source. if you need *tons* of cryptographic secure data, buy a PCI card that uses cosmic rays and so to generate data |
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| 21:45.59 | enouf | dante_2core: beats me shrugs |
| 21:46.22 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 21:46.23 | debian-is-me | dante_2core: If I have to decrypt an drive it is easier if I can identify what parts of it is real data! |
| 21:46.28 | JarJarBinks | however /dev/random has a low output rate |
| 21:46.39 | enouf | JarJarBinks: strace doesn't help? |
| 21:46.43 | JarJarBinks | needs time to gather "random" stats |
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| 21:46.53 | JarJarBinks | enouf: ahh, forgot strace ... will try |
| 21:46.56 | dante_2core | what if you cat /dev/urandom with multiple instances |
| 21:47.02 | peppe | JarJarBinks: man 4 random tells you *why* it is slower |
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| 21:47.10 | peppe | (than urandom) |
| 21:47.23 | JarJarBinks | peppe: I know, why, but I wouldn't wanna wait for 10G of random data |
| 21:47.39 | peppe | JarJarBinks: do you need 10G of cryptographic secure random data? |
| 21:47.46 | JarJarBinks | peppe: no |
| 21:47.50 | Fizkah | I have a folder with a number of subfolders. In every folder is a folder called .svn - is there any way I can remove all .svn folders in the folder - and in any subfolder? |
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| 21:48.09 | peppe | JarJarBinks: then you can use /dev/urandom |
| 21:48.25 | JarJarBinks | peppe: it was an information to the guy that needed to generate lots of random data... he can judge for himself, if he wanna wait |
| 21:48.37 | JarJarBinks | peppe: I think you've missed a couple of messages |
| 21:48.48 | peppe | JarJarBinks: maybe :) |
| 21:48.51 | JarJarBinks | :) |
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| 21:49.24 | gourmand | Fizkah: use find . -wholename |
| 21:49.27 | dante_2core | Fizkah, some crazy bash-regex-fun? |
| 21:50.05 | dante_2core | peppe, afaik you can also use soundcards to generate random data |
| 21:50.10 | peppe | Fizkah: find | xargs rm ? |
| 21:50.21 | enouf | Fizkah: rm -r *.svn ? please test though .. not tested |
| 21:50.32 | enouf | gah |
| 21:50.48 | enouf | that will grap xxxx.svn files too |
| 21:51.02 | Fizkah | there are no xx.svn files |
| 21:51.08 | Fizkah | so that should be safe |
| 21:51.08 | enouf | Fizkah: rm -r ^.svn ? (somesuch) |
| 21:51.11 | peppe | dante_2core: yes, but there is a difference between cryptographic secure random data and not. using a soundcard won't give you secure data |
| 21:51.28 | enouf | Fizkah: please prcatice on a copy ;-) |
| 21:51.39 | peppe | Fizkah: find . -name .svn -print0 | xargs -0 rm -r |
| 21:51.41 | enouf | how about use echo 1st ;-) |
| 21:51.58 | dante_2core | peppe, I see - well, I'm not terribly well-informed about cryptography altogegher... |
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| 21:53.03 | dante_2core | debian-is-me, http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/231405271/ <-- that might be your thing XD |
| 21:53.04 | peppe | dante_2core: if you need tons of secure data (example: you manage amazon HTTPS servers) you can buy some PCI card that use quantistic mechanics to generate secure random data |
| 21:53.22 | dante_2core | peppe, but ain't that pretty expensive? |
| 21:54.00 | Ward1983 | if i install debian if i allready have a OS installed on another partition, will it then automatically setup grub? |
| 21:54.02 | peppe | dante_2core: no idea :) |
| 21:54.20 | dante_2core | Ward1983, the installer will ask you about things. |
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| 21:54.46 | enouf | random data, if truly random is secure - and yes you can use a soundcard |
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| 21:54.59 | dante_2core | Ward1983, make sure you backup any data before, anyways - nothing will get lost unless you do anything really wrong, but it's always better to be on the save side. |
| 21:55.02 | Ward1983 | dante_2core, fairly simple things i presume? |
| 21:55.03 | insta | dante_2core: better way to get secure data is an aquarium full of fish and a bubble-stone, high-definition webcam, save-as-bmp, SHA1 :D |
| 21:55.07 | JarJarBinks | Fizkah: find . -type d -name ".svn" -exec rm -r {} \; |
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| 21:55.18 | dante_2core | insta, we mentioned that before XD |
| 21:55.24 | insta | wait, really? |
| 21:55.26 | insta | aw. |
| 21:55.27 | dante_2core | Ward1983, how experienced are you? |
| 21:55.27 | ManuP | is there a mozilla-channel? |
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| 21:55.40 | Fizkah | Thanks a lot. That worked... "find . -name .svn -print0 | xargs -0 rm -r" that is |
| 21:55.42 | shamrock | hi. I can ssh on port 22 from a to b. I can then ssh form b to c on port 443. I have set a port forward on my router which protects b and c for port 443 to forward to machine c. So why can I not connect from a to c when I specify port 443 on the ssh line? Have I forgotten something? |
| 21:55.47 | dante_2core | insta, <22:41> < dante_2co> debian-is-me, all I know is that a _very_ fast way to generate tons of data is to just hook up your firewire camcorder and just cat the device into a file, swinging the camera around randomly |
| 21:55.49 | Ward1983 | dante_2core, i allready did this a few times with ubuntu, should i be worried to do it with debian? |
| 21:56.13 | dante_2core | Ward1983, nah, it'll get you a partitioning manager and ask you where to put its stuff, and grub setup will look for other OS's |
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| 21:56.30 | dante_2core | haven't used the recent installers though, my debian systems all are on the boxes for long so far ;) |
| 21:56.35 | enouf | Fizkah: just a fyi, the ... -print0 | xargs -0 .. combo handles filenames/drinames with spaces |
| 21:56.40 | enouf | er drinames |
| 21:56.49 | JarJarBinks | shamrock: you would need to test connection from c to a ... right? |
| 21:56.53 | enouf | gah /me stops typing |
| 21:56.55 | JarJarBinks | nat a to c |
| 21:57.00 | hetOrakel | so |
| 21:57.05 | Ward1983 | dante_2core, nice then it probably works the same way |
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| 21:57.15 | shamrock | JarJarBinks: yes. Can you explain more please. |
| 21:57.15 | dante_2core | enouf, took me like half an hour to rename about 10 files with xargs recently |
| 21:57.33 | dante_2core | enouf, RTFM and try-on-copies mostly, but I refused to rename them by hand XD |
| 21:57.34 | gourmand | Ward1983: make sure you are using stable installer, not testing |
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| 21:58.30 | JarJarBinks | shamrock: if you block port 443 on a, you are blocking the incoming connections, and if you ssh -p 443 to c, you are making an outbound connection (i.e. not blocked) ... doing from c an ssh -p 443 <a> would trigger the firewall rule on a |
| 21:58.32 | peppe | shamrock: huh... make a drawing :D |
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| 21:59.00 | Ward1983 | thanx for the help |
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| 21:59.09 | dante_2core | you're... welcome? |
| 21:59.34 | shamrock | peppe: if you dont have anything to offer then dont. |
| 22:00.18 | shamrock | JarJarBinks: I am ssh -p443 to the router address. Surely this port is then forwarded to C? |
| 22:00.33 | chris_abyi | hey. I got a problem here. My notebook hangs in the boot process with the message: "ext3-fs: sda3: orphan cleanup on readonly fs". nothing happens anymore. Now I was said to run fsck on it. So I burned a knopix live cd and tried to run fsck on /dev/sda3 but I get the message that I haven't got the permissions to access the disk. At least I want to get my data back. Any idea? |
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| 22:01.19 | dante_2core | chris_abyi, getting data back should not be too hard - can you mount the drive with the livecd, anyway? |
| 22:01.42 | peppe | shamrock: I mean, make just an outline in ascii art... |
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| 22:01.54 | shamrock | peppe: why would I do that? |
| 22:02.03 | dante_2core | shamrock, so we get the picture :D |
| 22:02.09 | rcbarnes | I've found a bug in /lib/libc.so.6, how do I see which package (I assume libc6) owns it? |
| 22:02.21 | peppe | shamrock: so we get the whole picture and understand it well? :) |
| 22:02.24 | JarJarBinks | shamrock: jep, I think I got lost too |
| 22:02.30 | Powedre | Hi, Any ideas on my problem? For some reason for the last 3 nights, our SSH connection is not reachable. It goes down probably at the same time every night, about 23-24 |
| 22:02.31 | dante_2core | shamrock, (like... a visualization, because we don't yet understand rightly how you mean it all) |
| 22:02.40 | peppe | rcbarnes: dpkg -S |
| 22:02.51 | rcbarnes | peppe: thanks! |
| 22:02.56 | dante_2core | Powedre, maybe some cron job? |
| 22:03.02 | shamrock | Its two machine behind a router. I can ssh into one and from that to the other, But I can not ssh from the outside machine direct to the other (port443). In other words the routre does not seem to forward the port even though its set and all other forwards are working. |
| 22:03.03 | chris_abyi | dante_2core: hey.. I'm not that experienced with that, could you help me step-by step? How-to mount it with the live-cd ? just do mount /dev/sda3 /mnt ? |
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| 22:03.20 | chris_abyi | This doesn't work: "only root can do that", as I said, running knoppix 4.0 |
| 22:03.23 | Powedre | dante_2core: I've trid to check them out but I can't see anything weird there.. It's weird because apache,mysql,mail etc works just normally |
| 22:03.38 | dante_2core | chris_abyi, hmn... this chan is too crowded for that, want to do it in query? |
| 22:03.56 | dante_2core | Powedre, so all that goes down is ssh? |
| 22:04.00 | chris_abyi | dante_2core: ok, let me just register at nickserv |
| 22:04.06 | dante_2core | k |
| 22:04.36 | blubberdiblub | chris_abyi: press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a root console, then try again (Ctrl+Alt+F5 to get back to the desktop, or maybe F7 instead) |
| 22:04.44 | Powedre | dante_2core: yeah :/ |
| 22:04.52 | Powedre | dante_2core: it has come backup after a reboot |
| 22:05.00 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 22:05.11 | dante_2core | so it dies away and comes back if you reboot? |
| 22:05.14 | azeem | w31 |
| 22:05.16 | azeem | oops |
| 22:05.20 | Powedre | yea |
| 22:05.20 | gourmand | chris_abyi: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11603 |
| 22:07.04 | chris_abyi | blubberdiblub, gourmand : thank you. :) |
| 22:07.11 | dante_2core | Powedre, hmn - nothing weird in your ssh config, I guess? |
| 22:07.40 | Powedre | dante_2core: I haven't changed 'em. All what happened was about 3 days ago my hdd went full and then I made some space to it |
| 22:07.47 | Powedre | after that every night ssh has gone down |
| 22:08.16 | dante_2core | Powedre, maybe the log file gets too big and ssh crashes? any error logs? |
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| 22:08.32 | lhoerste | is there a way to chmod files in my home dir that were created by another user and not writable by me? |
| 22:09.01 | gourmand | chris_abyi: there is also a great livecd tuned for disk partitioning/rescue tasks: partedmagic.com |
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| 22:09.14 | Powedre | dante_2core: I spent about 1-2 hrs yesterday checking the logs but I saw no abnormalities |
| 22:09.14 | dante_2core | lhoerste, chown them first? why can he even make files in your home? |
| 22:09.27 | dante_2core | Powedre, hd not full anymore? also not getting full? |
| 22:09.40 | Powedre | nope |
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| 22:09.59 | chris_abyi | gourmand: ah, fine. didn't know this. thank you. I will most probably need it. |
| 22:10.14 | lhoerste | dante_2core: it's being used as a team workspace |
| 22:10.17 | dante_2core | weird. to summarize, your ssh dies away for no visible reason - and regularly at the same time. the logs show nothing. |
| 22:10.20 | lhoerste | dante_2core: I am not the admin of the box |
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| 22:11.24 | dante_2core | lhoerste, I see - ask the root then to correct this... users should have their homes being unwriteable for others, that's the point of homedirs... |
| 22:12.35 | lhoerste | dante_2core: true but for a group workspace it's needed |
| 22:13.01 | dante_2core | lhoerste, aah ok then... well, if the files belong to others and you're not in their group, you can't chmod I guess |
| 22:13.10 | jetscreamer | lhoerste: you should control ~ so chown 'should' work... or at least delete |
| 22:13.30 | lhoerste | jetscreamer: yea chown didn't work even though I own ~ |
| 22:13.36 | jetscreamer | hm |
| 22:14.41 | \amethyst | you can't chown if you're not root |
| 22:14.43 | Phusion | lhoerste: try that new exploit to get a root login and fix that shiz yourself ;) |
| 22:14.52 | lhoerste | every file is sitl owned by our common group but his default umask is 130 or something |
| 22:14.55 | \amethyst | not to change the ownership anyway |
| 22:14.56 | lhoerste | Phusion: i'm thinking about it =) |
| 22:14.59 | Phusion | heheh |
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| 22:15.18 | Phusion | it's pretty bad, worked on all my servers (but no unauthorized users have access anyway) |
| 22:15.29 | abrotman | lhoerste: do you need to change *that* file or just the contents ? |
| 22:15.30 | Phusion | all patched tho |
| 22:15.31 | VampirePenguin | hey for those of you that use encryption on your boxes... which would be a better choice.. lvm/luks or encfs |
| 22:15.45 | enouf | what FStype? what's the mount options? lsattr |
| 22:15.47 | lhoerste | abrotman: it needs to be writable |
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| 22:15.58 | nepbabu | !beer SR71-Blackbird |
| 22:16.01 | abrotman | lhoerste: that exact file? or not |
| 22:16.19 | abrotman | lhoerste: IOW .. would a copy of the file be acceptable ? |
| 22:16.23 | lhoerste | abrotman: the exact file yes. it's for revision control |
| 22:16.41 | Powedre | fuck |
| 22:16.45 | Powedre | fuck fuck fuck |
| 22:16.52 | Powedre | I think I know what's wrong |
| 22:16.53 | jetscreamer | !fuck Powedre |
| 22:16.54 | abrotman | just one works |
| 22:17.03 | jetscreamer | dammit bring back the factoid! |
| 22:17.05 | abrotman | jetscreamer: try ravenbird |
| 22:17.05 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:17.11 | nepbabu | !suck |
| 22:17.11 | dpkg | i guess suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 22:17.15 | jetscreamer | next time |
| 22:17.18 | abrotman | nepbabu: msg the bot |
| 22:17.18 | nepbabu | o_O |
| 22:17.25 | Powedre | 3 days ago I messed wit the SSH-keys trying to get a new key for our backup server(key was changed) |
| 22:17.28 | nepbabu | cool cool :P |
| 22:17.28 | Powedre | It's gotta be that |
| 22:17.54 | Powedre | any ideas how to override the key-fuckup withour reboot? |
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| 22:18.27 | abrotman | you can't just restart sshd? |
| 22:18.40 | blubberdiblub | lhoerste: well, take jetscreamer's hint, cp the file (then check if the copy is really there ;) ), rm the first one, mv the second one to the original name |
| 22:18.48 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 22:18.55 | jetscreamer | moi? |
| 22:18.58 | lhoerste | blubberdiblub: there are thousands of files i'd have to do that to |
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| 22:19.11 | blubberdiblub | well, yes, you mentioned delete, jetscreamer :) |
| 22:19.15 | Powedre | abrotman: I'm using it remotely |
| 22:19.21 | abrotman | and? |
| 22:19.33 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 22:19.33 | Powedre | well how do I restart it if I can't connect via ssh? |
| 22:19.44 | jetscreamer | i meant he should be able to chown or del it |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | how can you cahnge the sshd if you can't connect at all ... |
| 22:19.58 | jetscreamer | he can't chown, so maybe del no workie either |
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| 22:20.14 | Powedre | abrotman: it comes back alive when I reboot the server |
| 22:20.20 | Powedre | i just don't wanna do that |
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| 22:20.25 | blubberdiblub | del will work, as he owns the containing dir, if i'm not mistaken |
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| 22:20.38 | adam_ | anyone know if the wget mirror option will grab only the files the mirror does not already have? |
| 22:20.41 | VampirePenguin | anyone? on lvm vs encfs |
| 22:20.44 | jetscreamer | i thought that, but thought chown should work |
| 22:21.05 | larstr | I've just installed 32bit debian 4.0, but can only see 3.6GB ram |
| 22:21.09 | jetscreamer | adam_: maybe -mcp but i forget |
| 22:21.38 | adam_ | jetscreamer I think c just puts a .2 on the file I already have. |
| 22:21.43 | larstr | is there a PAE kernel available? |
| 22:22.00 | adam_ | I tried just copying it over than something messed up about half way threw. |
| 22:22.05 | jetscreamer | c is supposed to not d/l it if it's already there.. aka resume |
| 22:22.12 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 22:22.20 | Powedre | abrotman: do you think of any other way to access the server |
| 22:22.22 | jetscreamer | man wget though i suck |
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| 22:22.30 | jetscreamer | telnet |
| 22:22.32 | gold44 | how many disc minimum for an installation of debian? |
| 22:22.33 | abrotman | Powedre: your server .. you etll us |
| 22:22.35 | abrotman | tell |
| 22:22.37 | adam_ | hmmm. ok I'll give it a try. thanks jetscreamer. |
| 22:22.39 | abrotman | !d-i gold44 |
| 22:22.39 | dpkg | gold44, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:22.40 | Powedre | true |
| 22:22.40 | jetscreamer | gold44: 0 |
| 22:23.00 | jetscreamer | but 1 is the answer you wanted |
| 22:23.10 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 22:23.10 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 22:23.22 | gold44 | jetscreamer: 0 for netinstall, and 1 is the answer i want. |
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| 22:23.35 | jetscreamer | gold44: 1 for netinstall.. it's a cd :) |
| 22:23.41 | jetscreamer | 0 for goodbyewindows |
| 22:24.14 | jetscreamer | gold44: but yeah you only need cd#1 or dvd#1 |
| 22:24.21 | jetscreamer | you can get more of them though |
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| 22:24.56 | gold44 | jetscreamer: just want enough stuff in there, so i can apt-get everything |
| 22:25.06 | jetscreamer | gold44: netinst then |
| 22:25.11 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 22:25.16 | jetscreamer | you mean from the cd |
| 22:25.17 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 22:25.20 | gold44 | what's zero? zero for goodbye windows? |
| 22:25.23 | jetscreamer | yeah |
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| 22:25.30 | jetscreamer | no disc needed |
| 22:25.36 | jetscreamer | just windows and inarweb |
| 22:25.38 | enouf | apt-cdrom ? |
| 22:25.40 | jetscreamer | intar |
| 22:25.55 | larstr | and the only PAE kernel I can find is a Xen-kernel |
| 22:26.05 | jetscreamer | !pae |
| 22:26.05 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 22:26.17 | jetscreamer | amd64? |
| 22:26.18 | vasco_ | hello |
| 22:26.21 | gold44 | jetscreamer: there a windows version for debian? or run debian in vmware? |
| 22:26.24 | jetscreamer | ah bigmem |
| 22:26.31 | larstr | no, it's an old xeon system |
| 22:26.33 | enouf | jetscreamer: not needed |
| 22:26.34 | vasco_ | what is the best way for launch a service @ OS startup with my debian? |
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| 22:26.40 | vasco_ | i have a script to launch |
| 22:26.46 | jetscreamer | gold44: no if you have windows, it will d/l the installer for you and make it boot from ntldr |
| 22:27.00 | vasco_ | better to write a /etc/init.d scripts 1st right? |
| 22:27.09 | abrotman | larstr: that is PAE |
| 22:27.18 | gold44 | jetscreamer: cool |
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| 22:27.38 | larstr | abrotman: if it is PAE, why can't I see more than 3.6GB? |
| 22:28.06 | jetscreamer | seems to me the stock kernels are a 3:1 mem split |
| 22:28.07 | enouf | larstr: bios io memory hole remap |
| 22:28.10 | jetscreamer | whatever that means |
| 22:28.32 | enouf | larstr: -bigmem kernel has highmem64g enabled |
| 22:28.32 | larstr | enouf: hmm.. how do I fix that? |
| 22:28.50 | larstr | enouf: where can I find this bigmem kernel? |
| 22:28.51 | enouf | larstr: BIOS option |
| 22:28.56 | jetscreamer | you can install a bigmem kernel or compile a kernel |
| 22:28.59 | gold44 | jetscreamer: what's the name for this method? the one that modifies ntldr? |
| 22:29.01 | enouf | larstr: apt-get it |
| 22:29.04 | jetscreamer | bigmem is still in etch iirc |
| 22:29.18 | jetscreamer | gold44: http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 22:29.20 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 22:29.20 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
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| 22:30.11 | jetscreamer | gold44: i love that it's all i use now, when i can |
| 22:30.15 | larstr | enouf: ah.. great! I'm not so familiar with aptitude yet, but I found it in dselect |
| 22:30.15 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 22:30.26 | jetscreamer | then |
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| 22:30.29 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 22:30.29 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 22:30.35 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 22:30.48 | enouf | jetscreamer: sry, didn't realize you were asking about cpu with your 'amd64 ?' question |
| 22:31.01 | adam_ | jetscreamer looks like its working the way you said. thanks |
| 22:31.04 | jetscreamer | enouf: that's ok, i suck |
| 22:31.04 | gold44 | jetscreamer: i don't like to burn cdr, cause that are hard to decompose, bad for our environment |
| 22:31.12 | enouf | you too? :-p |
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| 22:31.39 | Jaggy- | I'm getting two equivalent default routes in my routing table. In interfaces: I have auto eth0 (192.168.1.10) and auto eth0:1, (IP 192.168.1.11) |
| 22:31.52 | enouf | larstr: install aptitude-doc-en for englsh |
| 22:32.27 | adam_ | gold44 I applaud you. :) |
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| 22:32.35 | larstr | enouf: yes, guess so :) |
| 22:32.44 | enouf | or .. use dselect ;-) i still use apt-get and likely will forever :-) |
| 22:33.09 | larstr | dselect is the tool for now.. aptitude for upgrades :) |
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| 22:33.28 | jetscreamer | dselect for upgrades ftw!!! |
| 22:34.02 | \amethyst | Jaggy-: do you have two 'gateway' entries? |
| 22:34.24 | Jaggy- | yes |
| 22:34.31 | roxazer | hello, i need help here. for some hours ago i did a apt-get update, and for a minute ago i gopt alot of messages about the kernel, and the network stopped working. anyhow i reebooted and all worked fine but i dont have a network om the machine. do someone know how to fix this? |
| 22:34.33 | jetscreamer | i have proven in this channel (year ago guerin was a witness but says he doesn't remember) that dselelct resolves dependency issues better than aptitude or apt-get |
| 22:34.36 | Jaggy- | taking one out |
| 22:34.36 | \amethyst | Jaggy-: there you go :) |
| 22:34.47 | jetscreamer | course that was long ago |
| 22:34.53 | jetscreamer | maybe aptitude imporved |
| 22:34.58 | jetscreamer | rov |
| 22:34.59 | Jaggy- | amethyst :) fixed. |
| 22:35.22 | roxazer | jetscreamer: was that to me? |
| 22:35.27 | gold44 | adam_: thx |
| 22:35.44 | Jaggy- | now to change 192.168.1.11 to a different network, and lock it up in this machine so I can simulate the final network area. Wish I could do that in my router so my lan could have two internal networks .. but alas, it seems the dlink router doesn't allow for it. |
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| 22:35.57 | jetscreamer | roxazer: change allow-hotplug eth0 to auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces and see if that helps (this one is for you) |
| 22:36.07 | roxazer | okey |
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| 22:36.08 | Jaggy- | I'm going to have to hook up another computer and it would be nice to be able to really set their IPs |
| 22:36.29 | jetscreamer | roxazer: back it up first |
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| 22:36.40 | jetscreamer | know how to regress |
| 22:36.41 | roxazer | jetscreamer: shure |
| 22:36.59 | gold44 | adam_: thou should not burn any more optical disc unless it's really really needed =) |
| 22:37.06 | jetscreamer | roxazer: had you just installed a reboot or 2 previously? |
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| 22:37.23 | jetscreamer | (installed, comma_ |
| 22:37.25 | jetscreamer | ) |
| 22:37.35 | Nyle | common comma |
| 22:37.38 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 22:37.40 | Nyle | ) |
| 22:37.42 | Obligatory | In CUPS config http://localhost:631/admin/?op=modify-class&printer_name=foobar it says "Modify Class Bugger>Members", what is a member? A person, PC, or printer? |
| 22:38.05 | jetscreamer | subway? |
| 22:38.10 | Nyle | o yea |
| 22:38.14 | Obligatory | s/Bugger/foobar/ |
| 22:38.19 | roxazer | jetscreamer: i did an apt-get update, and then some jours later i got messages about the kernel, then i rebooted |
| 22:38.30 | jetscreamer | try murphy's deli if you have them up there.. i've been to one twice, they rock |
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| 22:39.06 | Nyle | nah |
| 22:39.07 | ignu | how would I 'apt-get install' flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org? I tried 'apt-get install debian-multimedia.org/flashplayer-mozilla' but that didn't work |
| 22:39.10 | Nyle | who |
| 22:39.13 | Nyle | toober |
| 22:39.17 | roxazer | jetscreamer: whats that? |
| 22:39.27 | Nyle | !adobe flash |
| 22:39.27 | dpkg | Adobe flash is a non-free flash player and is in the package flashplugin-nonfree but is broken in etch: use the one from backports.org or flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org (ask me about <non-free>, <bpo> and <dmm>). It will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For a free alternative, ask me about <gnash>. |
| 22:39.33 | jetscreamer | ignu: dmm |
| 22:39.35 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 22:39.35 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 22:39.37 | adam_ | gold44 I bought 25 cd-rw's years ago. There still working. Though I have to stick with minimum installations. Though those 25 cd-rw's could have been hundreds maybe even thousands of cd's!!! RW's are the best middle ground solution. still some wast, but realy it should be 99% less. |
| 22:39.38 | roxazer | jetscreamer: btw, i reebot after i change /etc/netwosk/interfaces ? |
| 22:39.57 | jetscreamer | roxazer: no you don't |
| 22:40.17 | jetscreamer | roxazer: that other stuff i was talking to nyle |
| 22:40.42 | Obligatory | In CUPS web config it says "Modify Class foobar>Members", what is a member? A person, PC, or printer? |
| 22:40.54 | nevyn | printer. |
| 22:41.04 | roxazer | jetscreamer: ok |
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| 22:41.24 | jetscreamer | roxazer: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 22:41.56 | gold44 | adam_: i bough 50 cdrw, it's crappy. 2x mode only. when i try to use it on the latest linux, it says, my burner is faster than the medium. 4x min for my burner but medium is 2x |
| 22:42.00 | Obligatory | nevyn, tnx. |
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| 22:42.17 | Wyzard | Obligatory: a printer |
| 22:42.21 | roxazer | jetscreamer: where whould that be? |
| 22:42.26 | roxazer | oh, i write it |
| 22:42.27 | roxazer | :P |
| 22:42.28 | nevyn | a class is a thing that users use to print to that could come out on any of the printers in that class. |
| 22:42.28 | Wyzard | Obligatory: A CUPS "class" is a group of printers with the same name, IIRC |
| 22:42.43 | nevyn | ms calls the same concept printer pools |
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| 22:43.13 | Wyzard | gold44: 50 CD-RW discs is overbuying by far, regardless of speed |
| 22:43.25 | enouf | adam_: actually although i loathe rw media cdrw are much better quality than pressed cds or cdr |
| 22:43.33 | Obligatory | Wyzard, thanks, I was reading about one in some HOWTO that confessed it was the "only way" the author could get XP to see Debian's CUPS server. I dunno, not for me so far. |
| 22:43.44 | adam_ | gold44 I've never run into that. maybe I was luckey. |
| 22:43.50 | Wyzard | gold44: I got a ten-pack 10x RW discs about six years ago, and I've only ever used three of them (and I only opened the third one because one of the first two got lost) |
| 22:43.54 | gold44 | Wyzard: it was cheap compusa brand. i didn't have a choice at the time. it either 50 or 25, i forget |
| 22:44.02 | Obligatory | s/one/CUPS classes/ |
| 22:44.10 | enouf | gold44: cd at 2x ? wtf? |
| 22:44.19 | enouf | is that from 1985 ? |
| 22:44.28 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:44.28 | gold44 | enouf: yeah, 2 freaking x. that's how old tehy are |
| 22:44.44 | Obligatory | enouf, I though all CDRW media was slow. |
| 22:44.54 | gold44 | back when nero won't let you burn at 4x unless you buy the full version. |
| 22:44.57 | enouf | gold44: can you say Frisbee? |
| 22:45.00 | adam_ | enouf more like 1997 or so. |
| 22:45.05 | larstr | 2x is probably from '93 or something.. had a nec 1x in '92 |
| 22:45.09 | Wyzard | Obligatory: I've never heard anything like that... to use a CUPS printer in Windows (2000 or later), take the URL of the printer's status page (http://machinename:631/printers/printername) and paste it into the URL box for a network printer in the Windows "add printer" wizard |
| 22:45.15 | \amethyst | larstr: 2x *CD-RW*, not 2x CD |
| 22:45.21 | enouf | gold44: how about skeet practice |
| 22:45.21 | Facedown | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.24 | gold44 | enouf: free ss bum..... no i can't say it =) |
| 22:45.24 | Facedown | my bad |
| 22:45.33 | Obligatory | Wyzard, hmm, I'll try that. |
| 22:45.33 | larstr | ah.. :) |
| 22:45.58 | gold44 | \amethyst: yeah, 2x cdrw not 2x cdr] |
| 22:46.12 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Unfortunately, although Windows itself supports IPP, some drivers apparently don't |
| 22:46.39 | \amethyst | larstr: but, yeah, I remember when NEC released their first double-speed CD-ROM drive |
| 22:46.41 | Nyle | is it possible to run xp 64bit inside amd64 linux in vb? |
| 22:46.43 | Wyzard | Obligatory: The driver for my LaserJet 1300 locks the system when I try to open the printer's properties window after adding it in that way |
| 22:46.57 | Wyzard | Nyle: in VB? |
| 22:47.02 | adam_ | gold44 even if you set the speed slower in your burning program, those rw's won't work? |
| 22:47.03 | enouf | but still - i bought a cdrw like in 98, it was 32x48x16 iirc |
| 22:47.05 | Wyzard | Nyle: If you mean in a VM, yes |
| 22:47.09 | Nyle | virtual box |
| 22:47.14 | Nyle | sorry, I just abbreviated it |
| 22:47.20 | Wyzard | ah |
| 22:47.22 | Wyzard | dunno about virtualbox |
| 22:47.28 | Wyzard | vmware can do it though |
| 22:47.33 | Nyle | ok |
| 22:47.37 | larstr | \amethyst: in the beginning we had to use tools like fcd to transfer files from the cd to the local file system :) |
| 22:47.40 | Wyzard | as can Xen, I believe |
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| 22:47.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:47.49 | gold44 | adam_: no can set. 4x min on the software. i think my burn's min speed is 4x on this lappy |
| 22:47.53 | enouf | gold44: if those are Mitsui Gold though - i'd be sad |
| 22:47.58 | Nyle | !xen |
| 22:47.59 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:48.13 | piju | any alternatives to run java applet on lenny amd64? |
| 22:48.14 | \amethyst | why "up to 100" |
| 22:48.20 | \amethyst | isn't that a rather arbitrary limit? |
| 22:48.22 | enouf | gold44: cli -speed=2 ? |
| 22:48.27 | Nyle | \amethyst: shrug |
| 22:48.32 | Wyzard | Nyle: You need a processor with hardware virtualization support to run Windows in Xen |
| 22:48.39 | Nyle | core 2 |
| 22:48.44 | Nyle | I'm good |
| 22:48.45 | Wyzard | Nyle: and it isn't as nice UI-wise (the virtual video card is a VNC server, I believe) |
| 22:48.52 | Wyzard | ok |
| 22:48.53 | Nyle | wtf? |
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| 22:48.57 | Nyle | oh oy |
| 22:48.59 | piju | any alternatives to run java applet on lenny amd64? |
| 22:48.59 | Nyle | boy* |
| 22:49.12 | Nyle | yes |
| 22:49.17 | Nyle | there is one |
| 22:49.24 | Wyzard | For a desktop system I'd probably stick with VMware or vbox |
| 22:49.28 | Nyle | unpack 32bit java from sun.java.com |
| 22:49.37 | gold44 | adam_: not sure, 2x mode isnot displayed. i ll have to run it on windows with nero later and check |
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| 22:49.46 | Nyle | and tell ndiswrapper to use the libjava.so *32bit* |
| 22:49.51 | kubitz | piju for my part, i don't really understand the question |
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| 22:50.02 | Nyle | Wyzard: I was thinking free vb |
| 22:50.05 | jetscreamer | i have an old scsi 2x mitsumi.. or mashitita or so |
| 22:50.10 | Nyle | vmware is not free |
| 22:50.10 | jetscreamer | it really sucks |
| 22:50.15 | dante_2core | Nyle, what are you trying to do with java? |
| 22:50.16 | Nyle | mitsumi |
| 22:50.17 | Nyle | omg |
| 22:50.18 | themill | Nyle: ndiswrapper? nspluginwrapper, you mean? |
| 22:50.22 | Wyzard | Nyle: I think you mean nspluginwrapper, not ndiswrapper :-) |
| 22:50.27 | Nyle | themill: lol |
| 22:50.30 | Nyle | Wyzard: yes whoops |
| 22:50.36 | Nyle | I haven't smoked all day |
| 22:50.40 | Nyle | I just sat down to roll a joint |
| 22:50.41 | piju | kubitz; sun java is not available for amd64 arch, so im askng for other than sun java |
| 22:50.45 | streuner | blah blah |
| 22:50.47 | epsilon | and why not use the 64bit java? |
| 22:50.49 | larstr | Nyle: vmware is not gpl (only free as in money) like Sun vbox, but vmware can do more |
| 22:50.55 | adam_ | enough I got my first cd-r in 1996, it was a 4x and it was the best you could get. I hardly used it. I later got a cd-rw in 99 that was 32x8x4. I realy don't think in 98 there was the type of speed your talking about. |
| 22:50.57 | Wyzard | Nyle: I'd use VMware because I've bought VMware, but vbox should be fine too; I just don't have much experience with it |
| 22:50.57 | streuner | !feed Nyle |
| 22:50.59 | gold44 | enouf: cli -speed=2, command not found. cdrecord command line i try setting that to 2x, no work |
| 22:51.12 | gold44 | enouf: if that's what youare asking |
| 22:51.12 | Nyle | streuner: blah yourself |
| 22:51.30 | Wyzard | epsilon: There's no 64-bit Java browser plugin |
| 22:51.34 | Nyle | Captain Insano shows no mercy! |
| 22:51.34 | themill | epsilon: there is no 64bit plugin |
| 22:51.38 | themill | *snap* |
| 22:51.40 | kubitz | larstr vmware is freeware though isn't it - I mean even though it's not free software :) |
| 22:51.42 | jetscreamer | those old drive can't read rw worth a fuck either usually |
| 22:51.51 | enouf | gold44: yep |
| 22:51.53 | piju | epsilon; there is no sun java for 64bit |
| 22:52.00 | Wyzard | kubitz: VMware Server is free-of-charge... VMware Workstation is $200 |
| 22:52.01 | enouf | gold44: er |
| 22:52.12 | Wyzard | piju: There's standalone Java, just no browser plugin |
| 22:52.15 | larstr | kubitz: only parts of vmware is freeware (gpl). VMware Player and Server is free of charge though but closed source |
| 22:52.16 | Nyle | File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so | File name: npwrapper.libjava.so |
| 22:52.16 | enouf | gold44: an option to cdrecord/wodim |
| 22:52.21 | Nyle | as you can see |
| 22:52.23 | Wyzard | piju: Standalone apps like Azureus work fine |
| 22:52.29 | kubitz | Wyzard just checking - I found Vbox first and it's fine for me I was just curious |
| 22:52.29 | Nyle | java/flash both work fine on amd64 iceweasel |
| 22:52.30 | enouf | gold44: wodim --help |
| 22:52.34 | piju | Wyzard; i want the plugins for iceweasel |
| 22:52.41 | Nyle | use ndiswrapper and you'll be fine |
| 22:52.53 | Nyle | o_O |
| 22:52.57 | Nyle | nspluginwrapper* |
| 22:52.59 | piju | Nyle; got any tutorial for that ? |
| 22:53.00 | enouf | gold44: or is it -help ? |
| 22:53.03 | Wyzard | Java 7 is expected to have a 64-bit plugin, fortunately |
| 22:53.07 | Nyle | piju: I just looked on google |
| 22:53.15 | piju | Nyle; which one ? |
| 22:53.24 | Nyle | !nspluginwrapper |
| 22:53.25 | dpkg | well, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is in <contrib> on testing/unstable, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 22:53.31 | Obligatory | Wyzard, thanks for the feedback, just futzing with a 2nd had XP box here. Chat's a little to fast for me right now. L8r! |
| 22:53.41 | kubitz | larstr those two would dos as much as Vbox ose I'm guessing? |
| 22:53.53 | gold44 | enouf: i think inorder to burn at 2x. you need the software to do it, it might now be hardware dependent. all these new software don't have 2x mode option |
| 22:53.56 | Nyle | well |
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| 22:54.01 | larstr | kubitz: dos? |
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| 22:54.08 | kubitz | dos=do |
| 22:54.11 | enouf | adam_: i'd have to recheck, i might be off by a few years, i know i had dvd-rom udma2 in 99 ish ;-) |
| 22:54.12 | kubitz | typo :( |
| 22:54.12 | Nyle | I could always try vmware for 30 days before I get a serial # for it |
| 22:54.13 | Nyle | ;) |
| 22:54.15 | dutchfish | hi, just installed ruby & rails; how can i spit out the API doc with gemserver on debian etch? |
| 22:54.36 | Wyzard | What's a good filesystem to use for a removable hard drive if I want support for files bigger than 4GB and don't particularly care about Windows support? |
| 22:54.37 | webPrag\Laptop | how can i determine which package of Apache's MPM is install on this system? |
| 22:54.38 | larstr | kubitz: well, if you use the commercial version of vbox you get more features there too |
| 22:54.45 | gold44 | enouf: i have an older dvdrw drive, that one might work if i put old software on it. the time i bought those disk i had a really really old drive, which i don't have now. |
| 22:54.53 | Wyzard | I'd rather use something that doesn't store ownership/permissions since those can differ from machine to machine |
| 22:54.55 | kubitz | I really have to try Vmware - cusiosity is getting the better of me :) |
| 22:55.09 | gold44 | kubitz: vmware kicks ass!!! |
| 22:55.11 | webPrag\Laptop | I guess it is an aptitude package so how would i determine if apache2-mpm-preform or -worker is installed? |
| 22:55.12 | Wyzard | webPrag\Laptop: If you want to use PHP, the only MPM you can use is the prefork one |
| 22:55.19 | webPrag\Laptop | oh? |
| 22:55.20 | adam_ | enouf yep I think I saw dvd-roms in 98 and maybe earlier. |
| 22:55.26 | Wyzard | webPrag\Laptop: Otherwise, worker is a good choice (it's a bit more efficient than prefork) |
| 22:55.26 | webPrag\Laptop | how can i find out which is installed? |
| 22:55.35 | maelstrom | is installing mythtv on debian hard ? relative to other distros ? |
| 22:55.37 | Wyzard | webPrag\Laptop: dpkg -s apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 22:55.44 | webPrag\Laptop | ok thanks |
| 22:56.04 | enouf | gold44: right - boot win98, set up speed in that silly system prop tab - rip using nero 3 or 4 :-) |
| 22:56.06 | jetscreamer | maelstrom: you just apt-get instal it |
| 22:56.16 | gold44 | enouf: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom speed=0 blank=all did notwork |
| 22:56.19 | jetscreamer | maelstrom: i forget if it's on marillat's or regular sources |
| 22:56.22 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 22:56.22 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 22:56.23 | Wyzard | webPrag\Laptop: or just install php5; it depends on libapache2-mod-php5, which in turn depends on the prefork MPM |
| 22:56.50 | enouf | adam_: i got a toshiba as part of the newer so-called "multimedia" systems at that time |
| 22:57.03 | chris_abyi | hey.. I'm trying to access my /dev/sda3 via the gparted live-cd but I get these messages when doing "mnt /dev/sda3 /mnt/try": "anup: truncating inode 425989 to 0 bytes" |
| 22:57.04 | gold44 | enouf: no, xp and nero 7 , or nero 4. this will be the order i will try. don't have to go back to win98 |
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| 22:57.17 | chris_abyi | unfortunately, he repeats this message again and again, always the same inode |
| 22:57.21 | enouf | with even cine<something> software |
| 22:57.21 | jetscreamer | enouf: so did both toshiba kernel modules get loaded for you automagically? they didn't on mine |
| 22:57.21 | chris_abyi | what does it mean? |
| 22:57.38 | gold44 | enouf: xp is really old. the one that i used with was pre-service pack 1 =) |
| 22:57.42 | jelly-ho | chris_abyi: there is no "mnt" command. |
| 22:57.44 | jetscreamer | chris_abyi: you need to umount it and fsck it |
| 22:57.49 | Wyzard | chris_abyi: likely a corrupted filesystem |
| 22:57.56 | chris_abyi | jetscreamer: yet it is unmounted |
| 22:58.05 | jetscreamer | fsck /dev/whatever |
| 22:58.08 | chris_abyi | I just wanted to access it to backup some important files |
| 22:58.08 | Nyle | alias mnt='sudo mount' |
| 22:58.11 | jetscreamer | fsck /dev/whatever |
| 22:58.12 | Wyzard | chris_abyi: run fsck on it before doing anything else with it |
| 22:58.14 | chris_abyi | but it seems as if this doesnt wpork |
| 22:58.16 | chris_abyi | okay |
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| 22:58.35 | enouf | jetscreamer: i was talking about a toshiba dvd-rom drive thje IDE controller was always 440bx set 82371 intel |
| 22:58.37 | chris_abyi | so just doing "fsck-ext3 /dev/sda3" ? |
| 22:58.38 | jetscreamer | if it wil shut up long enough to actually do it of course |
| 22:58.44 | gold44 | enouf: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom speed=1 blank=all DID NOT WORK TOO, i also tried one |
| 22:58.48 | jetscreamer | you can fsck or fsck.ext3 |
| 22:58.58 | jetscreamer | it will be magic with fsck |
| 22:58.59 | enouf | gold44: error? |
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| 22:59.03 | chris_abyi | any parameters? |
| 22:59.14 | jetscreamer | unless it can't determine the fstype.. no no params needed |
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| 22:59.19 | gold44 | enouf: yes |
| 22:59.32 | jetscreamer | if it can't determine the fstype you're more screwed :) |
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| 22:59.47 | chris_abyi | jetscreamer: okay.. :=/ |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | gold44: what's it say? |
| 22:59.59 | jetscreamer | !comfort chris_abyi |
| 22:59.59 | dpkg | There, there, chris_abyi. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:00.21 | Nyle | hey I want to run etch/sid on the same machine |
| 23:00.24 | Obligatory | Wyzard, I need the output of: "ls -l /etc/init.d/cupsys", mine says 'root' owner/group, and cupsd doesn't like it. |
| 23:00.39 | jetscreamer | gold44: you can d/l an iso and have it on hd and use that as install medium also... and hey there are boot floppies and boot usbsticks |
| 23:00.41 | gold44 | enouf: dont remember |
| 23:00.44 | Nyle | so I can debootstrap a 32bit etch inside my sid system? |
| 23:00.47 | chris_abyi | jetscreamer, ;) |
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| 23:00.55 | enouf | wow, speed and blank have no - prefix .. ugh |
| 23:00.59 | Nyle | yes that i what i should do |
| 23:01.04 | Wyzard | Obligatory: It's root:root on my system too, and cupsd shouldn't know or care about that file afaik |
| 23:01.05 | Nyle | enouf: hi |
| 23:01.07 | enouf | all (most) others do |
| 23:01.12 | enouf | Nyle: yo |
| 23:01.26 | gold44 | jetscreamer: yes i know. slackware can mount the iso into a partition. not sure about debiab |
| 23:01.34 | webPrag\Laptop | Wyzard: thanks again |
| 23:01.37 | Obligatory | Wyzard, thanks. Odd, I"m getting: cupsd: Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting! |
| 23:01.37 | jetscreamer | i have to go fix my bosses kid's wireless wii :/ |
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| 23:01.46 | Wyzard | Obligatory: The initscript is used to invoke cupsd, not the other way around, so cupsd shouldn't even be looking at the initscript |
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| 23:02.01 | jetscreamer | gold44: the installer can use the .iso ... i guess it mounts it... but it does use it |
| 23:02.14 | enouf | stupid crap - same for cdrdao - no need for -scanbus, nor scanbus, it's just cdrdao scanbus ;-) |
| 23:02.17 | Wyzard | Obligatory: Well, that's a different file from the initscript, but cupsd.conf exists and is root:root on my system too |
| 23:02.22 | enouf | gah |
| 23:02.24 | Obligatory | Wyzard, year, that's output from 'root' command line: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 23:02.40 | Wyzard | Obligatory: which means you're missing the file |
| 23:02.42 | enouf | i missed putting a -- there |
| 23:02.43 | jetscreamer | gold44: the debian installer i mean of course |
| 23:02.49 | enouf | ljsdagfpiygfea[9ughe]0ughe]poghneqwg |
| 23:02.51 | chris_abyi | After running fsck /dev/sda3 i got this: "dev/sda3: recovering journal. truncating orphaned inode 425989 (uid=...) /dev/sda3: clean. .. |
| 23:02.59 | chris_abyi | appears to be good? now mounting it? |
| 23:03.03 | jetscreamer | chris_abyi: ok so go for it |
| 23:03.19 | Obligatory | Wyzard, not missing: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1704 Feb 17 17:54 /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 23:03.25 | chris_abyi | uhh |
| 23:03.27 | chris_abyi | yes! |
| 23:03.28 | chris_abyi | =) |
| 23:03.41 | chris_abyi | now making a backup!! |
| 23:03.43 | jetscreamer | !congratulate chris_abyi |
| 23:03.43 | dpkg | Woohoo chris_abyi, you did it! |
| 23:03.46 | larstr | hmm.. my pc isn't coming up with the new kernel (bigsmp).. last message on the console is "Brought up 16 CPUs" |
| 23:03.57 | gold44 | jetscreamer: i forgot to mention, i bought dvdrw discs too, so cdrw disc, i can careless. if i can use it great, if not, no big deal. i ll probably will find an old machine at my work place to use it |
| 23:04.03 | jetscreamer | larstr: buddy.. pal... i love you... |
| 23:04.08 | jetscreamer | can i have one? |
| 23:04.10 | chris_abyi | jetscreamer: guess I should start using this bot myself :) |
| 23:04.12 | enouf | larstr: -bigmem |
| 23:04.14 | larstr | jetscreamer: hehe.. |
| 23:04.20 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 23:04.20 | dpkg | dpkgbot is probably Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 23:04.36 | Obligatory | Wyzard, buggy error message maybe. |
| 23:04.50 | chris_abyi | so what could be the cause for such an hd /partition error? |
| 23:04.51 | adam_ | enough yeah those were different times than today. hehe, at first ya had to have a mpeg2 card just to watch a dvd movie. I never went for it though, just waited it out. :) I'm off for now, have a good one. |
| 23:05.00 | adam_ | er enouf |
| 23:05.14 | jetscreamer | chris_abyi: i don't know, non-clean shutdown could be one way |
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| 23:05.29 | jetscreamer | there are others i suppose.. failing hd , blahblah... |
| 23:05.51 | enouf | !congratulate adam_ |
| 23:05.51 | dpkg | Woohoo adam_, you did it! |
| 23:05.54 | enouf | ;-) |
| 23:06.03 | enouf | you got my nick correct |
| 23:06.10 | PinkFreud | heya folks. having some difficulty trying to custom compile a kernel for i686 on an amd64 system. |
| 23:06.12 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 23:06.20 | PinkFreud | unfortunately, I keep getting: |
| 23:06.22 | PinkFreud | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.24.2' in `../linux-image-2.6.24.2_1_amd64.deb'. |
| 23:06.31 | ignu | Does anyone in here use facebook.com (in particular the game app there called, "scrabulous")? |
| 23:06.46 | jetscreamer | PinkFreud: there may be other stuff, but man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 23:07.02 | enouf | PinkFreud: that's not an error |
| 23:07.11 | PinkFreud | any ideas why, when explicitly setting arch to i386, that it keeps creating an amd64 package? :) |
| 23:07.19 | jetscreamer | i have one |
| 23:07.33 | enouf | oh .. ffs |
| 23:07.38 | jetscreamer | a package 'named' amd64 |
| 23:07.58 | jetscreamer | but like i said, there could be other stuff |
| 23:08.03 | PinkFreud | jetscreamer: for the most part, kernel-pkg.conf is set the way I want. I'm only specifying alternate arguments to build the kernel. |
| 23:08.19 | jetscreamer | are you setting --append-to-version= |
| 23:08.28 | jetscreamer | as seen in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 23:08.53 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --append-to-version= |
| 23:08.54 | PinkFreud | not in my kernel-pkg.conf |
| 23:09.01 | enouf | did you set -march= ? or is that not apropos there .. the docs to read are iin /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
| 23:09.07 | PinkFreud | $ command time -p make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --rev 1 --arch i386 --cross-compile='-' kernel_image |
| 23:09.15 | PinkFreud | that's what I used to compile. |
| 23:09.42 | PinkFreud | the only options set in my kernel-pkg.conf are maintainer, email, priority, debian, and CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 23:09.51 | jetscreamer | well when i edit /etc/kernel-pkg.conf and set it how i want, and add --append-to-version= the same as i edit the .conf, it comes out how i want it named |
| 23:09.57 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 23:10.02 | PinkFreud | heh |
| 23:10.18 | PinkFreud | yes, I know how to read documentation :) |
| 23:10.24 | enouf | make-kpkg --targets |
| 23:10.27 | jetscreamer | only . and #'s allowed it says... not real up on it |
| 23:10.36 | enouf | er --help |
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| 23:10.55 | enouf | shows the --append-to-version option |
| 23:11.26 | PinkFreud | jetscreamer: you're claiming that append-to-version should override the 'amd64' in the package name? |
| 23:11.31 | jetscreamer | but i don't know what's happening insdie your package, it's probably coming out just as you wanted though. |
| 23:11.39 | PinkFreud | or will it merely append whatever I specify to that? |
| 23:11.51 | enouf | not sure, offhand |
| 23:11.57 | PinkFreud | jetscreamer: I was assuming it wasn't coming out correctly, due to the incorrectly named package :) |
| 23:12.04 | jetscreamer | i actually don't know. never had the opportunity to find out. |
| 23:12.20 | enouf | maybe it's in the debian/rules ? .. dunno |
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| 23:13.10 | enouf | hah! |
| 23:13.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.11 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.26 | PinkFreud | hmmm |
| 23:13.27 | jetscreamer | ah. i was going to say i'm an idiot |
| 23:13.30 | larstr | hmm... "More than 8 CPUs detected and CONFIG_X86_PC cannot handle it." |
| 23:13.34 | enouf | --help ftw ? |
| 23:13.34 | jetscreamer | and it seems it's true :/ |
| 23:13.38 | Nyle | jetscreamer: we arew aware :) |
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| 23:13.42 | larstr | probably the reason |
| 23:13.43 | PinkFreud | the debian/ directory does appear to contain numerous files with reference to amd64 |
| 23:13.50 | PinkFreud | I did initially build an amd64 kernel |
| 23:13.51 | Obligatory | Wyzard, aha! It's Debian bug #462069 " cupsys: enabling printer sharing breaks the server config file" |
| 23:14.14 | jetscreamer | at least i only have to be an idiot for a few minutes |
| 23:14.24 | jetscreamer | it would suck to be a permanant idjit |
| 23:14.30 | PinkFreud | easiest way to deal with this might be to simply remove the debian directory. it's just vanilla kernel 2.6.24.2. |
| 23:14.45 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 23:15.08 | enouf | PinkFreud: did you see above? --arch-in-name ? |
| 23:15.33 | PinkFreud | enouf: iirc, that's default. |
| 23:15.44 | PinkFreud | enouf: in fact, I think that's why 'amd64' is in the package name |
| 23:16.34 | enouf | override the default with the option explicitly then |
| 23:17.26 | PinkFreud | enouf: as I mentioned, I'm worried that make-kpkg's treating the package as an amd64 might mean that it's not compiled correctly for i386 |
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| 23:17.44 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.45 | enouf | PinkFreud: ?? --> $ command time -p make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --rev 1 --arch i386 --arch-in-name --cross-compile='-' kernel_image |
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| 23:18.10 | PinkFreud | enouf: explain where the amd64 is coming from, then :) |
| 23:18.19 | PinkFreud | I'm not setting that myself. |
| 23:18.20 | enouf | how about you do it ;-) |
| 23:18.34 | PinkFreud | enouf: Explain something that I came here to ask about? |
| 23:18.38 | PinkFreud | That's a nifty trick. :) |
| 23:18.46 | enouf | don't be an asshat |
| 23:18.50 | jetscreamer | it's coming, somehow, from uname -r |
| 23:18.54 | enouf | have you tried it? |
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| 23:19.01 | anna | in irssi, i type in '/server irc.freenode.com' then '/join #debian |
| 23:19.11 | anna | how can I get itdone in one command? |
| 23:19.22 | Facedown | i'd use gaim |
| 23:19.29 | Facedown | i tried irssi and weechat |
| 23:19.31 | Facedown | fuck them. |
| 23:19.33 | jetscreamer | i think man irssi has exactly that command |
| 23:19.34 | PinkFreud | ahem. I'm not being an asshat. You appear to be misunderstanding my question, though. :) |
| 23:19.38 | Facedown | gaim is for humans :) |
| 23:19.47 | peleg | for some reason, it seems like "adduser" is not a known command anymore... any ideas why it might happen? |
| 23:20.00 | larstr | peleg: try useradd |
| 23:20.05 | jetscreamer | PinkFreud: i think he came up with the answer you seek. i could still be in idiot_mode though... |
| 23:20.08 | enouf | [18:13:22] <enouf> override the default with the option explicitly then <-- if its even true about it defaulting - defaults have overrides |
| 23:20.10 | Wyzard | peleg: You might have removed the "adduser" package |
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| 23:20.16 | peleg | larstr: not working. |
| 23:20.32 | peppe | peleg: aptitude install adduser |
| 23:20.34 | peleg | Wyzard? really? should I check that in aptitude? |
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| 23:20.39 | peleg | peppe: thanks |
| 23:20.41 | PinkFreud | enouf: In any case, as I mentioned above, the debian/ directory does contain a number of files with reference to amd64, which is not surprising, as I previously built this kernel tree for amd64. I've moved the debian/ directory out of the way, and am trying another compile with i386 as we speak. |
| 23:20.42 | enouf | might want to export VAR as well |
| 23:20.45 | larstr | peleg: check your paths |
| 23:21.03 | PinkFreud | enouf: I'll try your suggestion if this fails for some reason. |
| 23:21.05 | anna | jetscreamer: I mean, is it possible to get both tasks done in one command (join the server and the chat room). It's no big deal, just looking for a little shortcut :-) |
| 23:21.06 | enouf | not necessary |
| 23:21.10 | enouf | ok |
| 23:21.20 | Wyzard | PinkFreud: IIRC, "make-kpkg clean" is the preferred way to reset your source tree, not just renaming the debian/ directory |
| 23:21.23 | PinkFreud | I'm hoping that forcing make-kpkg to rebuild the debian/ directory might fix it ;) |
| 23:21.35 | peleg | ok - problem solved, thanks! |
| 23:21.45 | PinkFreud | Wyzard: I did that, though I didn't check to see if it clears out debian/ |
| 23:22.00 | peleg | I wasn't root, and it didn't show me adduser as a known command. |
| 23:22.18 | Wyzard | peleg: Well, you can't add a user if you're not root :-) |
| 23:22.21 | nivanson | I can't "aptitude update" due to a missing pubkey that I am not able to get into my trusted list. Can I still use packages from this "untrusted" source? |
| 23:22.53 | abrotman | nivanson: yes ... or put the key in your keyring |
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| 23:23.57 | peleg | Wyzard: yes, I know... a. I though I was a root; b. I though I need to "see" the command anyway when double-tab... |
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| 23:24.03 | nivanson | abrotman: thank you |
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| 23:24.13 | themill | nivanson: /msg dpkg apt-key <key id> |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | nivanson: what is the key ? |
| 23:24.17 | themill | bah |
| 23:24.18 | abrotman | or that |
| 23:24.38 | peleg | any good documentation that you recommend about chmod? |
| 23:24.43 | PinkFreud | peleg: root typically has a couple of directories (/sbin, /usr/sbin) in it's path that a normal user doesn't have |
| 23:25.06 | PinkFreud | that would explain why you couldn't find it. |
| 23:25.08 | peleg | PinkFreud: Good, thanks! |
| 23:25.24 | PinkFreud | argh. amd64 again. |
| 23:25.36 | enouf | PinkFreud: please see ARCH_IN_NAME in "man kernel-pkg.conf" |
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| 23:25.55 | PinkFreud | enouf: yes, thank you, as I stated, I know how to read documentation. :) |
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| 23:26.47 | enouf | !kp-mantra |
| 23:26.47 | dpkg | it has been said that kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 23:27.41 | enouf | peleg: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 23:28.00 | PinkFreud | however, according to the relevant part of the make-kpkg man page, arch_in_name merely embeds the sub-arch in the image name. |
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| 23:28.44 | PinkFreud | it doesn't mention that it'll override the incorrect arch name, nor does it tell me if the incorrect arch name is going to cause problems when I try to boot that kernel on a 32 bit system :) |
| 23:29.14 | enouf | package name |
| 23:29.17 | enouf | Please note that only the package name is |
| 23:29.18 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.18 | PinkFreud | this is why I initially discounted that option before joining here. |
| 23:30.25 | PinkFreud | as the files are located under a directory called '2.6.24.2', I'm not too worried about that. |
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| 23:31.20 | peleg | enouf: thanks. |
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| 23:31.47 | PinkFreud | enouf: Does --arch_in_name completely override the incorrect 'amd64' arch? or will it merely append to it, as the man page appears to suggest? |
| 23:32.08 | enouf | PinkFreud: might be of some use http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-packaging.html |
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| 23:32.27 | enouf | i'm not sure |
| 23:32.52 | PinkFreud | enouf: And again, while I understand that amd64 is apearing as a result of compiling on an amd64 system, is the kernel (and it's associated modules) compiled for i386, or is it amd64? |
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| 23:33.11 | borbus | Can you mount an nfs parition like user@host:/path ? |
| 23:33.18 | borbus | user being username on the other system? |
| 23:33.30 | Hyphenex | r3 is out? ahh crap, I just downloaded r2 yesterday |
| 23:33.38 | Hyphenex | I'm not going to spend another 3.5 hours downloading it |
| 23:33.42 | PinkFreud | borbus: no. nfs is not authenticated by user. |
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| 23:33.57 | borbus | How does it work? |
| 23:34.04 | PinkFreud | borbus: you CAN map certain uids/gids on the remote NFS share to local uids/gids, though |
| 23:34.35 | peleg | it looks like as default I have "rwxr-xr-x" permissions on all web directories. isn't the x in the end dangerous? |
| 23:34.51 | borbus | peleg, no, it's necessary for directories |
| 23:34.58 | Wyzard | peleg: no, execute permission on a directory just means permission to havigate into the directory |
| 23:35.06 | peleg | borbus: I see, thanks! |
| 23:35.18 | PinkFreud | borbus: I'd do 'man 5 nfs' to start. |
| 23:35.29 | Wyzard | peleg: With read permission but not execute permission on a directory, you can see the list of files in it, but can't open any of them |
| 23:35.34 | themill | Hyphenex: no, you don't need to. You can just aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 23:35.44 | PinkFreud | I'm pretty sure the ability to map uids/gids should be there, though a quick skim didn't show it |
| 23:35.48 | peleg | Wyzard: coll, thanks. |
| 23:35.49 | Hyphenex | do I ever need to update? |
| 23:36.05 | Hyphenex | I mean, if it's going to be a box for torrents and downloading things? |
| 23:36.10 | Nyle | Hyphenex: you'll get em from security.debian.org |
| 23:36.18 | borbus | Hmm.. there's only one mention of it but its about using Kerberos instead of uids |
| 23:36.29 | PinkFreud | ahh, heh. one CAN use Kerberos 5 to authenticate users for nfs |
| 23:36.31 | themill | Hyphenex: "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" is all you need to do providing you have a sane sources.list. |
| 23:36.36 | Wyzard | Hydroxide: Security updates are a good idea on any machine |
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| 23:36.42 | PinkFreud | however, that's probably overkill |
| 23:36.50 | borbus | So what's the best way, it's on a local trusted network |
| 23:37.12 | Hyphenex | I think I'll pass. What good terminal apps are there for downloading torrents on Linux? |
| 23:37.23 | borbus | Basically at the moment I just have to set everything to 777 on the server so I can do anythign with it over nfs |
| 23:37.32 | PinkFreud | borbus: use the same uids across systems? :P |
| 23:37.57 | borbus | How can I do that? |
| 23:38.06 | borbus | Just copy my client uid onto the server? |
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| 23:38.46 | ViViVipirePengui | hey what vers is the kernel now in testing and will it make a broadcom 4311mcg/wlan dell 1390 work with b43-fwcutter |
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| 23:39.05 | borbus | I don't think there is a testing kernel at the moment |
| 23:39.26 | borbus | Oh sorry, did you mean debian testing? |
| 23:39.29 | themill | !tell ViViVipirePengui about search |
| 23:39.41 | ViViVipirePengui | ya borbus |
| 23:39.51 | PinkFreud | ahh |
| 23:39.59 | PinkFreud | borbus: it's on the server side. |
| 23:40.16 | PinkFreud | 'man 5 exports', and pay attention to the 'User ID Mapping' section |
| 23:40.59 | PinkFreud | borbus: if this is for local clients, though, you may just want to look into making sure all uids/gids are the same across those systems |
| 23:41.33 | PinkFreud | you can simply share passwd/group/shadow/gshadow files in some of the simpler cases |
| 23:41.54 | borbus | It's pretty much just one client and one server |
| 23:42.16 | PinkFreud | otherwise, you may want to use a shared authentication system, like NIS, NIS+, LDAP, ... |
| 23:42.19 | ViViVipirePengui | anyone? |
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| 23:42.45 | ViViVipirePengui | back in june it wouldnt work at all bc of combination kernel/wifi driver issues |
| 23:42.49 | themill | ViViVipirePengui: that wireless chip works with etch |
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| 23:43.23 | ViViVipirePengui | oh thats cool.. its fixed now... |
| 23:43.29 | ViViVipirePengui | kk thanks themill |
| 23:43.31 | ViViVipirePengui | :) |
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| 23:44.55 | k-man_ | is there some tool that can be used for IP Accounting? |
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| 23:45.12 | k-man_ | like, a nice web gui or something? |
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| 23:46.43 | mmlj4 | k-man_: it's called "iptables" |
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| 23:46.53 | mmlj4 | web gui? ditterent story |
| 23:46.53 | k-man_ | mmlj4, ok |
| 23:46.54 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 23:47.03 | k-man_ | mmlj4, yeah, do you know of anything? |
| 23:47.16 | mmlj4 | no |
| 23:48.33 | Hyphenex | hi, I'm looking for a torrent client, preferably one I could log into and manage torrents over a web interface from a different computer, Any suggestions? |
| 23:48.54 | mmlj4 | freshmeat might know |
| 23:48.54 | Nyle | there is a phpbased client |
| 23:49.01 | Nyle | its in debian |
| 23:49.04 | abrotman | fluxtorrent ? |
| 23:49.09 | zophy | i'm upgrading lenny and right after the packages downloaded i got the error "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on tzdata" |
| 23:49.18 | Nyle | !info torrentflux |
| 23:49.19 | zophy | wtf ? |
| 23:49.26 | dpkg | torrentflux: (web based, feature-rich BitTorrent download manager), section web, is optional. Version: 2.3-6 (sid), Packaged size: 443 kB, Installed size: 2537 kB |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | close enough |
| 23:49.49 | Nyle | indeed |
| 23:50.18 | borbus | Or you could use a webinterfac for rtorrent or azureus |
| 23:50.27 | borbus | I'd rather use rtorrent tbh |
| 23:50.32 | Nyle | azureus shouldn't even be suggested |
| 23:50.35 | Nyle | or mentioned |
| 23:50.44 | borbus | Why? |
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| 23:51.03 | Hyphenex | rtorrent. hmm, Torrentflux looks nice :) |
| 23:51.21 | Nyle | Hyphenex: you need apache+php for it |
| 23:51.35 | borbus | And mysql |
| 23:51.36 | Hyphenex | Nyle: is that all included in CD1 of the installation? |
| 23:51.42 | Nyle | no |
| 23:51.43 | borbus | But I think torrentflux package does it all for you |
| 23:51.47 | Hyphenex | Damn |
| 23:51.52 | Nyle | !depends torrentflux |
| 23:51.57 | dpkg | torrentflux: depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libapache-mod-php5 | libapache2-mod-php5 | libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.1) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.1), php5-mysql | php5-mysqli | php4-mysql, bittornado (>= 0.3.9b), python, libphp-adodb, dbconfig-common, zip |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | Hyphenex: add http sources |
| 23:52.09 | Hyphenex | if I just went -'apt-get torrentflux it'll download it all for me, right? |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | apt-get install |
| 23:52.16 | Nyle | yes |
| 23:52.17 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 23:52.20 | Hyphenex | hehe, yeah :) |
| 23:52.26 | Hyphenex | awesome :) |
| 23:52.32 | Nyle | aptitude install torrentflux |
| 23:52.36 | Hyphenex | what's rtorrent like? |
| 23:52.42 | Nyle | very nice |
| 23:52.48 | Nyle | ncurses based cli gui |
| 23:52.50 | borbus | rtorrent is the best |
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| 23:53.11 | borbus | I've never been anywhere where I don't have ssh access |
| 23:53.15 | borbus | So I can use it anywhere |
| 23:53.23 | Nyle | Immolation |
| 23:53.38 | borbus | I wonder if there are any web based ssh clients |
| 23:53.43 | Nyle | yes |
| 23:53.45 | karmatronic | borbus, never been to disneyland ? |
| 23:53.45 | peleg | how do you refresh "locate"'s database? |
| 23:53.46 | borbus | I wouldn't trust one that wasn't mine though |
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| 23:53.51 | Nyle | aplets written in java |
| 23:53.54 | Hyphenex | I think I like the look of torrentflux better |
| 23:53.55 | karmatronic | borbus, mindterm |
| 23:53.55 | larstr | borbus: they're typically java based |
| 23:53.56 | Nyle | some php shells |
| 23:53.59 | ttl- | anybody has experience with compiling the driver for rtl wifi devices ? |
| 23:54.01 | borbus | Oh an applet would work |
| 23:54.04 | karmatronic | borbus, ajaxterm too |
| 23:54.09 | Nyle | would? does? |
| 23:54.14 | borbus | As long as it doesn't send anything serverside |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | ttl-: use module-assistant for most of them |
| 23:54.16 | Nyle | try many universities |
| 23:54.27 | Nyle | they feature thier own customized ssh web based java client |
| 23:54.35 | ttl- | for rtl8187 wifi ? |
| 23:54.39 | Nyle | that only connects to their servers |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | ttl-: do you know which driver? |
| 23:54.53 | borbus | Mine just has putty |
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| 23:55.31 | Nyle | silly putty |
| 23:55.37 | borbus | My uni has 2 sun boxes and 2 linux and there's like 1 person logged into them |
| 23:55.40 | borbus | And that's usually me |
| 23:55.41 | borbus | lol |
| 23:55.42 | Nyle | didn't powerrangers have something to do with putty |
| 23:55.45 | Nyle | something |
| 23:55.54 | borbus | lol, what? |
| 23:56.01 | ttl- | abrotman: http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 23:56.21 | enouf | !listkeys rtl |
| 23:56.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rtl' by key (15 of 16): #debian rtl8139 ;; CMD: startle (.*?) ;; _default rtl8029 ;; _default rtl8139 ;; _default rtl8180 ;; _default rtl81x9.c ;; lartlartlart ;; lartlooptest ;; rtl-wifi ;; rtl8029 ;; rtl8139 ;; rtl8185 ;; rtl8187 ;; rtl81x9.c ;; rtlinux. |
| 23:56.38 | Nyle | !rtlinux |
| 23:56.38 | dpkg | rtlinux is probably "hard real-time operating system that handles time-critical tasks and runs Linux as its lowest priority execution thread. In RTLinux, a small hard-realtime kernel shares one or more processors with standard Linux. This allows the system to run accurately timed applications to perform data acquisition, systems control and robotics, while still serving as a standard Linux workstation." --from http://www.fsmlabs.com |
| 23:56.49 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:56.51 | Nyle | damn |
| 23:56.51 | Nyle | nice |
| 23:57.14 | Nyle | thats good shit |
| 23:57.20 | ttl- | !rtl8187 |
| 23:57.20 | dpkg | methinks rtl-wifi is the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. The main page is at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/, see http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for installation instructions. Revision 65 fails to compile on i386, check out revision 57 ("-r57") or 62 instead. |
| 23:57.21 | enouf | how do i see #16? rofl |
| 23:57.35 | abrotman | jesus christ |
| 23:57.49 | enouf | !tell ttl -about msg the bot |
| 23:57.57 | abrotman | enouf: like you're one to talk |
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| 23:58.21 | enouf | i didn't know which one to pick ;-) |
| 23:58.25 | Nyle | why even bother with a public bot? |
| 23:58.30 | enouf | and besides, shaddup :-P |
| 23:58.36 | Nyle | just /msg dpkg tell enouf -about moron |
| 23:58.39 | Nyle | something like that |
| 23:58.40 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:58.56 | enouf | ok, i'm on it .. er i mean you :-P |
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| 23:59.12 | Nyle | no I mean if you gonna bitch and moan about the public use of a bot, then don't make it public |
| 23:59.16 | Nyle | or don't bitch |
| 23:59.18 | Nyle | ffs. |
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| 23:59.31 | beefcake | hey guys |
| 23:59.43 | ttl- | here is the output when i try to compile it: http://paste.debian.net/49381 |
| 23:59.53 | Nyle | beefcake: hey cartman |
| 23:59.57 | beefcake | im having trouble installing foo-tools on debian i get weird errors let me put it on pastebin :) |
| 23:59.57 | Nyle | ;) |
