| 00:00.00 | streuner | abrotman: no, sure :-) |
| 00:00.13 | abrotman | amphi: whatever goofy option does that |
| 00:00.20 | amphi | heh |
| 00:00.35 | synx | Meh, after disabling sys_vmslice, I can't play with the exploit anymore without a hard reset. :( |
| 00:00.37 | streuner | abrotman: do you want run a etch box some time with a working expolit or do you want some fixes? :-) |
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| 00:00.42 | sauvin | How long will it be, do you suppose, before the debian folks put in a fix for this that's apt-gettable as an update? |
| 00:01.02 | synx | sauvin: Soon as the kernel developers fix it. |
| 00:01.08 | metasyntax | well, nevermind; the 486 kernel fails but the 686 kernel works. |
| 00:01.09 | Mundus | <@Napta> I will release the security fix when I wake up tomorrow |
| 00:01.10 | Mundus | <@Napta> 8 hours time |
| 00:01.20 | abrotman | who is Napta? |
| 00:01.25 | Mundus | He said that ~20 mins ago |
| 00:01.26 | abrotman | and who is Mundus ? |
| 00:01.35 | Mundus | One of the ops in #debian on efnet |
| 00:01.44 | Mundus | Don't know what he calls himself on the debian server |
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| 00:01.52 | abrotman | that's useless |
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| 00:02.20 | factor | is anyone having trouble with unstable and using sound drivers? |
| 00:02.27 | DeathWolf | The UTS Release version in include/linux/utsrelease.h "2.6.24-saber-09628-g0eccf60" does not match current version:"2.6.24-saber-09628-g0eccf60-09628-g0eccf60-dirty" => How do I correct that? |
| 00:02.43 | DeathWolf | all I did was like usual, a make menuconfig and a make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 00:03.36 | factor | I am using kde and I guess artsd , seems not to find any sound drivers to work with |
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| 00:04.05 | k-man | does dhcpd log its activity? |
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| 00:04.13 | factor | get errors like xine was unable to find any drivers. |
| 00:04.43 | DeathWolf | I do not under what it generated that horrible second name from |
| 00:04.51 | DeathWolf | I'd prefer if it did not use the git tagging too ... |
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| 00:06.51 | k-man | i have an hp4050n printer but for some reason its not getting an ip address from the dhcp server |
| 00:07.55 | synx | meh, git. Never know who's got a good kernel that way. |
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| 00:09.03 | ferret_0667 | milw0rm exploit #5092 not only gave me a root shell, it also made my kernel panic :( |
| 00:09.29 | abrotman | Mundus: as near as i can tell .. that guy isn't Debian Security |
| 00:09.33 | techouse | how can i view the bandwidth my remote server is using? |
| 00:09.40 | techouse | with ssh |
| 00:09.44 | synx | ferret_0667: better that it panics, than just ignores it. :( |
| 00:09.59 | abrotman | techouse: a total or in an instant ? |
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| 00:10.25 | techouse | abrotman: both would be nice, but in an instant, i guess |
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| 00:10.31 | abrotman | jnettop or ntop |
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| 00:11.01 | ferret_0567_ | milw0rm exploit #5092 not only gave me a root shell, it also made my kernel panic :( |
| 00:11.48 | synx | ferret_0667: better that it panics, than just ignores it. :( |
| 00:11.48 | ferret_0567_ | all I had to do was browse the milw0rm shellcode section with Iceweasel and then BOOM |
| 00:11.48 | ferret_0567_ | synx: yeah |
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| 00:12.12 | levander | gnome-system-monitor says my computer is uploading a lot right now. What's the easiest way to tell how much each program is uploading? |
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| 00:12.29 | PythonNinja | abrotman: i'm installing kde-minimal it has kdm though.. |
| 00:12.38 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 00:12.39 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 00:12.51 | abrotman | PythonNinja: try kdebase or kde-core |
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| 00:13.06 | Gnurdux | how does that exploit work? what's it exploiting? |
| 00:13.14 | techouse | abrotman: after i execute apt-cache search ntop i get this |
| 00:13.17 | techouse | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 00:13.17 | techouse | what(): std::bad_alloc |
| 00:13.17 | techouse | Aborted |
| 00:13.23 | techouse | ??? |
| 00:13.41 | abrotman | techouse: i don't use it .. i just know it exists |
| 00:13.43 | PythonNinja | abrotman: they're both installed by kde-minimal, and kdm IS installed, i've tried every kde component, kdm WILL be installed... |
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| 00:13.57 | techouse | abrotman: the same happens for apt-cache search azureus :D |
| 00:14.00 | abrotman | PythonNinja: i never said kde-minimal |
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| 00:14.10 | abrotman | techouse: you broke it |
| 00:14.11 | stiv2k | help |
| 00:14.18 | stiv2k | err |
| 00:14.23 | PythonNinja | abrotman: i've tried kde-core and kdebase they both install kdm |
| 00:14.24 | stiv2k | pretend i didn;'t say that, while i type out my question ;) |
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| 00:14.52 | abrotman | PythonNinja: uh .. no ? |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | PythonNinja: it's not a depends .. it's a recommends .. tell apt-get or aptitude not to install recommends |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | PythonNinja: you're not on etch are you ? |
| 00:15.18 | stiv2k | so i have a directory that several users access to share files... the dirs have perms drwxrws--- and files have perms -rw-r-----, yet for some reason i'm still able to delete files that aren't owned by me... how can i change this? |
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| 00:15.32 | PythonNinja | abrotman: testing, but i'm installing kde4 from the experimental/unstable repos |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | NFC .. apt-cache show <pkg> .. is it a depends or a recommends ? |
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| 00:15.55 | techouse | abrotman: i'm using putty, that might be the case; yesterday it was working well with ssh from debbie |
| 00:16.14 | abrotman | PythonNinja: try -R |
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| 00:16.21 | abrotman | techouse: but your'e running unstable ? |
| 00:16.35 | techouse | the remote server is running lenny |
| 00:16.40 | techouse | PURE lenny |
| 00:16.49 | PythonNinja | abrotman: so apt-get -R remove kdm? anyway thanks |
| 00:16.49 | chuck | hi everyone, is there an easy fix for that kernel bug in vmsplice? |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | techouse: bugs.debian.org |
| 00:16.59 | techouse | :) |
| 00:17.00 | techouse | tnx :D |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | PythonNinja: aptitude -R install kdebase |
| 00:17.11 | PythonNinja | ah, cheers |
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| 00:17.49 | chuck | anyone know if there's an easy fix? |
| 00:18.01 | techouse | abrotman: what does the -R do? |
| 00:18.02 | chuck | it's a really serious bug that i need to fix somehow |
| 00:18.08 | ferret_0567_ | well...somebody gave me a fix |
| 00:18.32 | synx | chuck: look at the bug report. They modded the exploit to enact a fix. |
| 00:18.35 | abrotman | techouse: man aptitude .. READ |
| 00:18.42 | chuck | synx: where's the bug report? |
| 00:18.44 | synx | ...sort of. |
| 00:18.44 | techouse | i don't like aptitude :D |
| 00:18.53 | abrotman | then why the hell do you care? |
| 00:19.00 | synx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#14 |
| 00:19.05 | techouse | justz out of curiosity :D |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | then read the freaking man page |
| 00:19.19 | techouse | :) |
| 00:19.23 | synx | I'm still not comprehending what the exploit does exactly. |
| 00:19.30 | ferret_0567_ | but the exploit caused my kernel to panic after I got the rootshell (while browsing milw0rm's shellcode section in Iceweasel), so I'm not sure if I want to patch it... |
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| 00:19.51 | synx | It mmaps several pages, making them individual members in an array... |
| 00:20.16 | synx | ferret_0567_: It'd be easy to write something to just patch it, would require root access though. |
| 00:20.41 | DeathWolf | has anyone ever been able to use git kernel and make a pakcage out of it? |
| 00:20.50 | ferret_0567_ | synx: not for me |
| 00:20.54 | abrotman | DeathWolf: ask ##kernel |
| 00:20.56 | DeathWolf | my make-kpkg fails for stupid reasons all the time |
| 00:20.58 | ferret_0567_ | I'm a newbie to programming and C |
| 00:21.01 | DeathWolf | isnt make-kpkg debian? |
| 00:21.01 | synx | ferret_0567_: hold onna sec |
| 00:21.02 | chuck | synx: so i should just run that "fix" as root? |
| 00:21.13 | DeathWolf | After all, it builds a debian package. |
| 00:21.19 | DeathWolf | ##kernel wouldnt know about that, would they? |
| 00:21.26 | stiv2k | so i have a directory that several users access to share files... the dirs have perms drwxrws--- and files have perms -rw-r-----, yet for some reason i'm still able to delete files that aren't owned by me... how can i change this? |
| 00:21.34 | ferret_0567_ | I don't have my C book with me so I can't practice |
| 00:21.37 | cafuego | chuck: Do you know what the fix does? |
| 00:21.41 | chuck | no |
| 00:21.46 | cafuego | Then don't run it. |
| 00:21.47 | abrotman | DeathWolf: oh .. you mean the debian git repo |
| 00:22.06 | chuck | cafuego: well what else should i do to fix my kernel then? |
| 00:22.15 | cafuego | chuck: Wait for a patch from kernel.org |
| 00:22.20 | vinc456 | if i can't compile it with gcc exploit.c then am i fine? i really don't want to have to deal with this >< |
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| 00:22.37 | cafuego | vinc456: Can users scp executables to your machine? |
| 00:22.50 | vinc456 | yes |
| 00:22.51 | DeathWolf | side note: is there a way to get snapshots of the debian git kernel repo? |
| 00:22.57 | cafuego | chuck: Do any remote suers have shell access to your machine? |
| 00:23.02 | chuck | cafuego: i can't really afford to wait for a patch, this is a shell server |
| 00:23.06 | chuck | so yes |
| 00:23.18 | cafuego | chuck: So it runs SElinux already as well? |
| 00:23.29 | Decepticon | can i have two users like so: decepticon and Decepticon |
| 00:23.34 | solar_sea | what would be the fastest way to create a local debian mirror from all the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 00:23.36 | chuck | cafuego: no i don't have that installed |
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| 00:23.47 | streuner | DeathWolf: put that into sources.list, if you running etch - deb http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ./ |
| 00:23.53 | cafuego | chuck: May I suggest you don't run a shell server without at least some form of security? |
| 00:24.22 | usr_rob_ | sudo /sbin/hdparm -B255 /dev/sda1 does not change the access to the drive which makes the click-sounds, any suggestions |
| 00:24.27 | DeathWolf | streuner: why are all these 2.6.18? |
| 00:24.29 | Tramp | stiv2k: man chmod. you may want the sticky bit on the dir (as /tmp) |
| 00:24.30 | DeathWolf | whic is super ancient. |
| 00:24.33 | DeathWolf | +h |
| 00:24.33 | usr_rob_ | 2,5" disk |
| 00:24.39 | DeathWolf | And I'm running sid. |
| 00:24.43 | cafuego | chuck: You could try the fix, but I've heard of that module oopsing people's kernel, so I really can't recommend running it. |
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| 00:24.45 | stiv2k | Tramp: thats what others have suggested, but im not sure if im doing it right |
| 00:24.49 | abrotman | DeathWolf: that's what etch has ... |
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| 00:24.51 | streuner | DeathWolf: oh, then you are out of luck :-) |
| 00:24.55 | stiv2k | Tramp: i looked at the manual, and i performed a chmod g+t /the/dir |
| 00:25.06 | cafuego | chuck: I have one VM that hosts shells, and with SELinux the exploit just segfaults and does nothing. |
| 00:25.08 | stiv2k | Tramp: but i could have sworn sticky used to be (s) and not (t)...wtf is going on ? |
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| 00:25.22 | cafuego | stiv2k: sticky is always t, s is suid/sgid. |
| 00:25.25 | DeathWolf | the official debian source packages seem to work fine with make-kpkg, but the git-clone ones of it dont |
| 00:25.31 | DeathWolf | obviously the debian building stuff fails |
| 00:25.44 | stiv2k | cafuego: so was my syntax correct using chmod g+t |
| 00:26.10 | chuck | cafuego: should i just install SElinux as the debian wiki says and i'm good? |
| 00:26.13 | cafuego | stiv2k: 't' does not apply to groups or users, only to the object, so "chmod +t <dir>" |
| 00:26.28 | cafuego | chuck: What else does that box run? |
| 00:26.40 | stiv2k | cafuego: can i just set the highest level directory to sticky and will the subdirs follow it |
| 00:26.43 | chuck | cafuego: what do you mean "what else"? |
| 00:26.46 | chuck | like os wise? |
| 00:26.47 | cafuego | chuck: You may need to make tweaks for services |
| 00:26.54 | cafuego | chuck: Like aapche? mail? sql? |
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| 00:27.05 | cafuego | stiv2k: no, you'd need to -R it |
| 00:27.08 | chuck | oh, apache, mail, mysql yeah |
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| 00:27.18 | stiv2k | cafuego: okay |
| 00:27.19 | streuner | cafuego: what kind of kernels do you run, btw? |
| 00:27.30 | stiv2k | cafuego: what if i try to create a directory inside a stickified directory? |
| 00:27.36 | stiv2k | cafuego: will the new directory be stickied? |
| 00:27.38 | cafuego | streuner: Stock ubuntu and stock ubuntu Xen |
| 00:27.55 | cafuego | streuner: stick is not inherited |
| 00:28.13 | cafuego | streuner: ... all debian boxes I have are Xen domUs these days. |
| 00:28.28 | cafuego | stiv2k: The sticky bit is not inherited, it seems. |
| 00:28.29 | Decepticon | why is "Decepticon" a bad username "adduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured via the NAME_REGEX configuration variable. Use the `--force-badname' option to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX." |
| 00:28.32 | Tramp | stiv2k: why don't you just try out and read the manpage? |
| 00:28.39 | stiv2k | Tramp: i've read it several times over |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | Decepticon: it has an uppercase d. |
| 00:28.44 | abrotman | Decepticon: uppercase maybe ? |
| 00:28.53 | synx | ferret_0567_: chuck: http://synx.us.to/feepcode/tempfixsploit.c |
| 00:28.57 | stiv2k | Tramp: i always feel manpages aren't nearly as helpful as human <--> human interaction |
| 00:28.59 | synx | I just copied the de_exploit function. :p |
| 00:29.00 | Decepticon | why are uppercase usernames bad? |
| 00:29.01 | tyraelx | I have a webserver with 3 users; how do I prevent them from opening files in eachothers directories? because currently only owner and group has access to read the files (user 1:apache) |
| 00:29.16 | chuck | synx: will that fix it? |
| 00:29.24 | tyraelx | (they open eachother files with php) |
| 00:29.26 | streuner | because you will eyecancer |
| 00:29.26 | cafuego | Decepticon: they allow mixed case, which can be confuring on systems that are case sensitive. |
| 00:29.28 | streuner | get* |
| 00:29.36 | synx | Um... depending on your definition of fix. See the comment I added in the file. |
| 00:29.46 | tyraelx | if his is even possible |
| 00:30.11 | cafuego | tyraelx: set open_basedir |
| 00:30.13 | Tramp | stiv2k: ok, given that, but still Qs like "is it inherited" can be tested out in 5 seconds |
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| 00:30.35 | chuck | synx: yeah |
| 00:30.57 | techouse | abrotman: thanx for telling me about jnettop ;) |
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| 00:31.00 | synx | I think "return -EINVAL;" would be a better idea actually. |
| 00:31.13 | stiv2k | Tramp: you're absolutely right |
| 00:31.13 | cafuego | chuck: That fox appears to poke around at runtime in kernel mem, which may or may not be a good idea. |
| 00:31.26 | k-man | i bought this usb flash disk, and it has this sneaky little partition on it that appears as a cd rom drive |
| 00:31.30 | k-man | is there any way to get rid of that? |
| 00:31.38 | cafuego | k-man: fdisk |
| 00:31.47 | k-man | cafuego, can't |
| 00:31.50 | chuck | cafuego: i already ran it and it seems to have disabled the exploit's ability to function |
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| 00:32.13 | k-man | cafuego, it appears as a cdrom drive under /dev/scd |
| 00:32.18 | cafuego | chuck: Yes, it has also disabled any fucntion that needs sys_vmsplice() |
| 00:32.19 | k-man | and fdsik fails to open it |
| 00:32.31 | cafuego | k-man: oh, that's probably an udev rule issue. |
| 00:32.39 | ferret_0567_ | chuck: and your system's stability may be affected |
| 00:32.43 | k-man | cafuego, oh... really? hmm |
| 00:32.57 | ferret_0567_ | the exploit kernel panicked my machine |
| 00:32.57 | k-man | cafuego, any way to override it temporarily? |
| 00:33.07 | cafuego | k-man: yeah, that maps devices to device names. Probably a rule that thinks the usb key is a cd. |
| 00:33.10 | synx | There are two kernel functions that use sys_vmsplice. Nothing outside of that should use it... returning -EINVAL should warn those functions anyway to fail gracefully. |
| 00:33.22 | sco50000 | all the compiz tutorials i've seen for ati radeon tell you to install Xgl, but i have it running fine without Xgl, why do they all say you have to install it? |
| 00:33.42 | synx | Sorry, one function. |
| 00:33.44 | cafuego | synx: yes, but I still decline to run 3rd party code as root on /proc/ksyms, of all things ;-) |
| 00:33.52 | k-man | cafuego, its just a part of the usb key... it appears as two devices, one part is a usb key, the other is a read only cdrom... its an evil way that the force you to use and keep their software under windows |
| 00:34.02 | synx | Heh, and nothing calls that function. |
| 00:34.11 | chuck | synx: what uses that function? |
| 00:34.11 | synx | cafuego: You don't trust me? :'( |
| 00:34.20 | cafuego | k-man: It should be fdiskable as /dev/sdX either way |
| 00:34.26 | ferret_0567_ | cafuego: don't you mean /proc/kallsyms? |
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| 00:34.29 | k-man | cafuego, ill try |
| 00:34.32 | synx | chuck: Nothing as far as I can see. All the kernel source files, no calls to it. |
| 00:34.36 | cafuego | ferret_0567_: well yes |
| 00:35.24 | stiv2k | cafuego: Tramp: there's no way to get sticky to be inherited? |
| 00:35.50 | cafuego | stiv2k: Dunno |
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| 00:36.40 | Tramp | stiv2k: no - afaik |
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| 00:36.49 | k-man | cafuego, i fdisked the flash partition, but the cdrom partition still appears |
| 00:36.51 | sco50000 | all the compiz tutorials i've seen for ati radeon tell you to install Xgl, but i have it running fine without Xgl, why do they all say you have to install it? |
| 00:37.01 | cafuego | k-man: The partition or the device? |
| 00:37.09 | cafuego | sco50000: they're old |
| 00:37.23 | sco50000 | cafuego: are there any new ones? |
| 00:37.25 | wols | sco50000: the most recent fglrx works without xgl |
| 00:37.31 | sco50000 | ok |
| 00:37.34 | wols | and if you use ati/radeon drives you never needed xgl |
| 00:37.43 | k-man | cafuego, the cdrom partition still appears - it appears as scd - sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/40x writer xa/form2 cdda tray |
| 00:37.49 | cafuego | sco50000: Dunno, I don't use ATI hardware. |
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| 00:38.03 | chuck | synx: do you know if grsecurity fixes it? |
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| 00:38.20 | cafuego | k-man: Any chance it might actually be a seperate part of the usb key? |
| 00:38.30 | RoboCop | any debian repository that can install 'inspircd' on *buntu ? |
| 00:38.31 | k-man | cafuego, well... quite possibly.. |
| 00:38.47 | k-man | cafuego, i dunno... there is scant little info about it in the 'net' |
| 00:38.48 | synx | chuck: No clue. Probably not...? Wouldn't assume so. |
| 00:39.04 | dondelelcaro | RoboCop: even if there was, we wouldn't really know about it |
| 00:39.14 | dondelelcaro | RoboCop: that's something that #ubuntu can talk about. |
| 00:39.17 | chuck | synx: i think they've made a patch |
| 00:39.20 | k-man | cafuego, there us a similar system called u3, that apparantly some people have managed to remove using some special windows utility, but it didn't work for this one for me |
| 00:39.22 | chuck | synx: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=712a30e63c8066ed84385b12edbfb804f49cbc44 |
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| 00:40.22 | JoeThomas | Hi, if i plug in an ethernet cable to my router, can I retrieve packets off of it? |
| 00:40.30 | JoeThomas | That are coming from all computers to the router? |
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| 00:42.19 | synx | chuck: I don't know about that...maybe? |
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| 00:42.48 | chuck | grsecurity is suseptable to the exploit :/ |
| 00:43.08 | AfterDeath | chuck: pretty sure everything is |
| 00:43.09 | k-man | cafuego, fyi http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/reformatting-kingston-dte-flash-drive-617295/ |
| 00:43.09 | AfterDeath | heh |
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| 00:43.20 | cafuego | chuck: I really do recommend selinux if the box is open to the public |
| 00:44.02 | tyraelx | huh, apache2 is run as root by default (lenny)? |
| 00:44.17 | dondelelcaro | tyraelx: no |
| 00:44.18 | synx | apache usually drops permissions... |
| 00:44.21 | cafuego | tyraelx: Of course. Otherwise it can't bind to port 80. It drops privs afterward though. |
| 00:45.15 | nevyn | part of me hates that *nix reqire root to bind to ports below 1024 |
| 00:45.40 | dondelelcaro | well, you can change that |
| 00:45.52 | synx | Part of me hates that people expect http to be on a certain port. |
| 00:45.55 | tyraelx | I only want a users www directory readable by apache and the user, what do I do then? |
| 00:46.25 | cafuego | synx: Thy don't, the http protocol allows for explicit port specification. |
| 00:46.31 | synx | tyraelx: Make a group that has r-x access to that directory, and put the user and apache both in that group. |
| 00:46.45 | synx | cafuego: Yes, it's the people that are the problem. :/ |
| 00:46.45 | nevyn | tyraelx: or use posix ACLS |
| 00:47.00 | synx | posix ACLs? No clue |
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| 00:47.17 | RoboCop | i have a laptop HP pavilion DV9575eo. Had windows vista installed on it... have installed Ubuntu now... things works fine.. except the graphics isnt very good really.. movies has less details than on windows vista. is there a way to check for a driver via the interface or do i have to go look manually. is there a auto-detect plug-and-play thingy or something. |
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| 00:47.23 | nevyn | synx: getfacl and setfacl |
| 00:47.25 | synx | Really the whole IP/port thing bugs me a lot. There should just be a different address for each service. |
| 00:47.45 | synx | nevyn: Not ringing a bell... |
| 00:47.48 | nevyn | synx: there is mostly |
| 00:47.56 | nevyn | synx: man getfacl |
| 00:48.10 | synx | nevyn: don't have the man pages :> |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | RoboCop: please go to #ubuntu |
| 00:48.56 | nevyn | synx: apt-get install acl |
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| 00:49.20 | synx | looks complicated anyway! I'd just make a group with two users in it. |
| 00:49.26 | antum | If both autoconf 2.61 and autoconf 2.13 are installed on a system, and its using 2.61 by default, how do I make it temporarily use 2.13? |
| 00:49.39 | RoboCop | abrotman iam banned from there |
| 00:49.40 | nevyn | synx: it's not really |
| 00:49.45 | dansushi | you guys know how you can press the up arrow key in the terminal and it will show your previous commands? Where is the information of all the commands you typed stored? What file? |
| 00:49.46 | Cayn | XD |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | RoboCop: not our problem .. either install Debian .. or go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 00:49.59 | dondelelcaro | dansushi: history, .bash_shitory or similar. |
| 00:50.03 | synx | nevyn: It sure uses a helluva lot more bits than just 3 |
| 00:50.04 | RoboCop | abrotmanok |
| 00:50.08 | nevyn | synx: it let's you get away from the posix permissions braindeadness for stuff where you want two groups. |
| 00:50.08 | RoboCop | abrotman ok |
| 00:50.31 | nevyn | synx: nope it let's you set octal permissions for as many entities as you like |
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| 00:51.10 | nevyn | synx: I'd argue it's clearer and more straightforward than having a bazillion groups for every possible combination of entities requiring access to a resource |
| 00:51.10 | dansushi | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:51.27 | icedtea | whats a good command line calculator that displays things line by line and lets you set variables? Someone told me before but I forgot |
| 00:51.34 | nevyn | bc |
| 00:51.39 | cafuego | !win me |
| 00:51.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 00:51.57 | cafuego | and a big fat FU to the scrap metal guys |
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| 00:53.14 | icedtea | nevyn: thx |
| 00:53.36 | synx | nevyn: If you insist. Makes sense I guess. |
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| 00:54.07 | synx | It's only one group per resource anyway, at max. :p Not all combinations. |
| 00:54.18 | stiv2k | how can i chmod ONLY the directories underneath a given dir to a certain value, ignoring the regular files? |
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| 00:55.05 | abrotman | stiv2k: find |
| 00:55.09 | cafuego | find . -type d -exec chmod XXX {} + |
| 00:55.18 | stiv2k | thank you |
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| 00:55.41 | flami | Hi, Im trying to get Samba shares working in KDE , When I hit the share button as root i can slect if I want or not share the folder . as regular user i can only select "configure file shareing" . Unfortunately I cant find any config that will amke it work . where should i look ? |
| 00:56.04 | cheeseboy | how do i uninstall tcl8.4 w/o uninstalling eggdrop and xchat? |
| 00:56.25 | stiv2k | umm |
| 00:56.27 | cafuego | cheeseboy: You don't, they need tcl. |
| 00:56.28 | stiv2k | find: paths must precede expression |
| 00:56.28 | stiv2k | Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [path...] [expression] |
| 00:56.46 | cheeseboy | cafuego, i want to downgrade to tcl 8.3 |
| 00:56.56 | stiv2k | nevermind |
| 00:57.03 | cafuego | cheeseboy: Make custom eggdrop and xchat packages. |
| 00:57.27 | cheeseboy | theres no way to have em installed? |
| 00:57.35 | synx | lol, binary distributions |
| 00:57.56 | cafuego | cheeseboy: Not properly with an explicit depend on tcl8.4 |
| 00:58.02 | cafuego | cheeseboy: Actually, maybe there is... |
| 00:58.14 | cafuego | cheeseboy: Create a tcl8.4 package using equivs. |
| 00:58.19 | cafuego | cheeseboy: install tcl 8.3 |
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| 00:58.23 | cafuego | ... see how you go. |
| 00:58.28 | synx | If people wouldn't assume these dependancies and write more flexible programs... |
| 00:58.39 | cafuego | If they're not binary compatible, stuff may crash horrible. |
| 00:58.54 | cafuego | synx: binary compatibility |
| 00:58.58 | synx | There's a trade between speed and flexibility, but still. |
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| 00:59.17 | bolt | I run the ratpoison WM and xterm with the exact same font and fontsize as in the console (i've counted pixels here). I also run xterm with no internal or external border. However, when I create an xterm window, the characters start drawing 1 pixel further down the screen than in the console, making me get 99% of a full line free space at the bottom of the screen. This is driving me crazy. What makes that 1 pixel border?! |
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| 00:59.30 | cafuego | See, some apps need specific versions because they use calls that older versions may not have. It's what versioning is for ;-) |
| 00:59.40 | synx | xchat and eggdrop should both have a tcl plugin, as a separate package, if they were written in a friendly way for dpkg. |
| 01:00.13 | cheeseboy | cafuego, tcl 8.3 is installed now wat? |
| 01:00.21 | cafuego | For eggdrop that would be useless; why bother using that thing without the tcl addons? |
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| 01:00.39 | cafuego | cheeseboy: Create a tcl8.4 "fake" package with equivs. |
| 01:00.54 | cheeseboy | how? |
| 01:01.13 | cafuego | apt-get install equivs, cd /usr/share/doc/equivs |
| 01:01.51 | kgoetz | cacool command |
| 01:01.52 | cafuego | IM IN UR KERNELZ, FIXIN UR EXPLOITZ |
| 01:02.31 | cheeseboy | can u just tell me command please |
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| 01:02.41 | solidnail | oi khanki |
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| 01:02.44 | synx | Just goes to show nobody's immune. Who knows how many exploits there are out there that the people who discover them don't tell us. |
| 01:02.57 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:03.54 | streuner | synx: many, but thats not the problem |
| 01:03.58 | tyraelx | there will always be exploit |
| 01:04.00 | tyraelx | s |
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| 01:04.12 | streuner | the problem is that every newbie could read that and use it... |
| 01:04.21 | cheeseboy | cafuego, whats equivs command? |
| 01:04.28 | streuner | !info equivs |
| 01:04.30 | synx | I guess... |
| 01:04.31 | dpkg | equivs: (Circumvent Debian package dependencies), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.0.7-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 01:04.49 | synx | That's not so much a problem, since we know about it and can patch our kernels, if not the mainline one already. |
| 01:06.25 | cheeseboy | so how i use eqiuvs? |
| 01:07.04 | solidnail | where can i download debian 1 dvd? |
| 01:07.44 | abrotman | solidnail: debian.org has links |
| 01:08.25 | cheeseboy | help? |
| 01:09.48 | solidnail | abrotman is ther eeven 1 dvd? |
| 01:09.59 | abrotman | there are three |
| 01:10.10 | abrotman | or maybe four .. i forget |
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| 01:11.17 | cheeseboy | no one knows how to use equivs? |
| 01:11.34 | salvin | the kernel 2.6.24 always freezes on my pc |
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| 01:11.51 | salvin | it's very stange |
| 01:12.39 | salvin | linux-image-2.6.24-1-i686 |
| 01:12.58 | salvin | on sid |
| 01:13.18 | xsdg | salvin: during boot? if so, where during boot? |
| 01:13.19 | salvin | i don't understand... |
| 01:13.37 | salvin | xsdg, no, random |
| 01:13.58 | xsdg | salvin: do you see anything useful in syslog when you get back up? |
| 01:14.15 | cheeseboy | ugh no help :( |
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| 01:14.30 | salvin | nothing in /var/log/messages |
| 01:14.34 | xsdg | cheeseboy: equivs has documentation |
| 01:14.39 | VampirePenguin | anyone here use encfs |
| 01:15.02 | xsdg | VampirePenguin: most people I know who do encrypted filesystems use cryptoloop |
| 01:15.02 | solidnail | so what kind of language to use when you are in pain? |
| 01:15.29 | VampirePenguin | xsdg: what are the advantages in a nutshell |
| 01:15.38 | VampirePenguin | im going to have to look it up |
| 01:15.45 | xsdg | salvin: hmm... what video card chipset do you have? |
| 01:15.48 | synx | I use dm_crypt myself |
| 01:15.57 | xsdg | VampirePenguin: dunno; never used any myself |
| 01:16.10 | salvin | xsdg, nvidia |
| 01:16.15 | cafuego | cheeseboy: equivs has documentation *and* examples. |
| 01:16.20 | salvin | with 96xx drivers |
| 01:16.21 | VampirePenguin | xsdg: basically im using encfs for a live system but i want to archive some data on a usb hdd that i dont access often and dont wnat to loose the ability to access thedata |
| 01:16.48 | xsdg | VampirePenguin: I was just offering datapoints. I know nothing about crypted filesystems |
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| 01:16.55 | salvin | xsdg, but the kernel also freeze without nvidia module loaded |
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| 01:17.05 | lymeca | I encrypted my RAID-5 array with dm-crypt and LUKS but I only get 2.0MB/s write speeds to it. I don't know what type of encryption I used, which is silly, but I think that may be the problem. How can I find out? |
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| 01:17.36 | synx | Bleh, LUKS. I just use flat encryption. |
| 01:17.47 | solidnail | does dogs bark they are in pain |
| 01:17.58 | kjs | ? |
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| 01:18.02 | chotchki | hey guys, does anyone have any experience using vserver with debian... im looking for a distro with good support for it |
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| 01:18.07 | xsdg | salvin: hmm... my best guess would be to check bugs.debian.org or the lkml for similar reports |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | solidnail: do you need help? |
| 01:18.15 | kjs | chotchki: vserver |
| 01:18.16 | kjs | ? |
| 01:18.20 | synx | solidnail: apt-get install dogmind |
| 01:18.27 | kjs | as in xen chotchki ? |
| 01:18.33 | xsdg | salvin: if you don't see anything, submit a bug |
| 01:18.39 | xsdg | abrotman: that's an ambiguous question ;o) |
| 01:18.41 | cafuego | lymeca: You're encrypting and then calculating a checksum, it's not surprising it's shit-slow. |
| 01:18.44 | chotchki | kjs: not really |
| 01:18.52 | VampirePenguin | xsdg: oh np .. im looking for ideas really from ppl who use all the time |
| 01:18.53 | chotchki | its like an uber chroot |
| 01:18.54 | kjs | chotchki: wat is vserver |
| 01:18.56 | salvin | xsdg, i know |
| 01:19.01 | kjs | chotchki: Oh i see. |
| 01:19.02 | lymeca | cafuego: Read performance is great though. |
| 01:19.05 | xsdg | salvin: ::shrug:: good luck |
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| 01:19.07 | chotchki | similar to freebsds jails |
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| 01:19.13 | cafuego | lymeca: just decrypting |
| 01:19.16 | lymeca | 10MB/s downloads which is the same as from a nonencrypted non-RAID network drive |
| 01:19.45 | lymeca | cafuego: can I tell what is causing the 2MB/s write speeds then? The RAID parity calculation or the encryption? |
| 01:19.53 | kjs | chotchki: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_vserver_debian |
| 01:19.57 | lymeca | I have four Opteron cores each at 2.4GHz and 8GiB of RAM |
| 01:20.01 | synx | cafuego has high performance hard drives :p |
| 01:20.07 | lymeca | I'm not down on processing speed |
| 01:20.15 | cafuego | lymeca: cpu contention prolly |
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| 01:20.26 | cafuego | I don't know how threaded that stuff is |
| 01:20.51 | chotchki | kjs: ive seen guides like that... but would stuff for Sarge which is old apply to current debian? |
| 01:20.58 | cafuego | synx: not really, but 10MB/s is about as fast as an old ATAPI disk <heh> |
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| 01:21.30 | chuck | okay right in the wake of this exploit stuff, my server just died unexpectedly |
| 01:21.41 | kjs | chotchki: pretty much, i just skimmed over that looks ok, just things like the kernel would have changed etc. |
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| 01:21.55 | cafuego | lymeca: I have a single AMD64 doing far better than 2MB/s to raid5, so I would point the finger squarely at the encryption. |
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| 01:22.19 | chotchki | kjs: thanks! |
| 01:22.20 | lymeca | cafuego: How many drives in yoru RAID-5 and is it sw or hw raid? |
| 01:22.35 | cafuego | lymeca: 4 drives, sw raid (kernel md driver, not dmraid) |
| 01:23.03 | godling | This isn't a Debian specific problem, but I'm trying to connect to my WPA-protected network with wpa_supplicant and keep getting a "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported" error |
| 01:23.21 | synx | cafuego: Dunno, I haven't found any disks that got more than 15 myself. |
| 01:23.21 | cafuego | lymeca: if yours is hw raid, you should not experience slowdowns at all. |
| 01:23.29 | cheeseboy | how do i dpkg force remove ? |
| 01:23.29 | cafuego | synx: *READ* ? |
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| 01:23.56 | synx | cafuego: Yeah, hdparm -tT and all. |
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| 01:26.24 | synx | Oh wait, was this before or after the encryption? |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | cheeseboy: you don't |
| 01:26.51 | cheeseboy | theres gotta be a way |
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| 01:27.58 | philth | Since an update yesterday I haven't been able to get the gdm screen to load, it just comes up black, if I type my username and password it still lets me login. If I run "gdmflextserver --xnest" I can see the login. I am running sid on a Thinkpad x30 with i830 graphics. Any ideas? |
| 01:28.03 | cafuego | cheeseboy: With what we were doing, you upgrade the tcl8.4 package to the one you made with equivs. |
| 01:28.14 | cheeseboy | i gave up on that |
| 01:28.19 | cafuego | synx: I'm talking before |
| 01:28.35 | cafuego | cheeseboy: it's trivially easy. Did you look in /usr/share/doc/equivs ? |
| 01:28.37 | synx | Eheh, maybe a wee bit faster then. ^.^; |
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| 01:28.51 | cheeseboy | yes |
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| 01:29.00 | cheeseboy | dont understand it |
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| 01:30.01 | abrotman | read again |
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| 01:31.39 | cizzi | is there a user level system for debian? instead of assigning each command to a group and then a user to that group.. is there some sort of package thats meant for access levels? |
| 01:32.39 | synx | cizzi: look into posix ACLs |
| 01:32.46 | TheFearsomeFufu | How can I get GParted in gnome to support creating/editing fat32 partitions? |
| 01:32.49 | cizzi | synx - will do, thanks |
| 01:32.56 | TheFearsomeFufu | I modprobe'd vfat, and the disk did mount fine |
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| 01:33.22 | tyraelx | cizzi: selinux |
| 01:33.25 | TheFearsomeFufu | I just want to reformat a external fat32 drive |
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| 01:33.49 | cafuego | cizzi: But selinux isn 't just a package. |
| 01:34.24 | cizzi | i thoguht selinux was a firewall |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | TheFearsomeFufu: dosfstools .. you need mkfs.vfat |
| 01:35.15 | TheFearsomeFufu | abrotman: Thank you |
| 01:36.55 | snewp | i have intel 64 bit, which arch should i chose i386 ? |
| 01:37.08 | snewp | choose* |
| 01:37.41 | Nielsen | IA64 or x86 |
| 01:37.44 | godling | snewp: Either that or amd64 |
| 01:38.06 | Nielsen | i recommend x86 |
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| 01:38.10 | godling | isn't IA64 for itanium processors? |
| 01:38.14 | snewp | ow it's ok with amd64 ? |
| 01:38.14 | drcode | hi all |
| 01:38.20 | godling | snewp: Do you have a core 2 duo? |
| 01:38.50 | godling | snewp: I just installed amd64 on my new laptop, and it's got a core 2 duo. So far everything runs fine. |
| 01:38.51 | drcode | can I let users connect to linux server like ms terminal server (I want to use custume profile and openldap)? |
| 01:39.16 | snewp | not core 2 duo .. it's dual proc actually |
| 01:39.21 | Nielsen | drcode: yes |
| 01:39.42 | drcode | I know that LTSP is for diskless computer |
| 01:39.57 | drcode | is there other software that can do it? |
| 01:40.13 | godling | snewp: Unless you have an Itanium, then you don't want IA64. If you are terribly unsure, you can't go wrong with i386. |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | snewp: amd64 or i386 |
| 01:40.34 | snewp | ok i'll just go with i386 .. thanks |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | snewp: if you didn't spend 10,000$ for your machine .. it wasn't itanium |
| 01:40.38 | Nielsen | drcode: well, i use NXclient/server to connect to my desktop from outside |
| 01:40.48 | drcode | k |
| 01:40.50 | TheFearsomeFufu | How stable is the ntfs-3g driver? I wont have any problems moving between windows and debian boxes, will I? |
| 01:40.55 | snewp | heheh abrotman, im sure it's not |
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| 01:41.08 | drcode | but still I want to get ldap autnticate and I want to limit users? |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | eh .. what happened to DSA 148{6-8} |
| 01:42.57 | lex_ | TheFearsomeFufu: I wouldn't use it to write to NTFS, last time I tried it, the filesystem got hosed |
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| 01:43.29 | TheFearsomeFufu | lex_: Well I have an external drive, and I'd like to be able to move between windows and linux....should I stick with fat32? |
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| 01:43.44 | Nielsen | drcode: nx uses ldap via pam |
| 01:43.51 | drcode | Nielsen: ? |
| 01:44.01 | drcode | I can limit users? |
| 01:44.12 | Nielsen | i believe so |
| 01:44.17 | lex_ | TheFearsomeFufu: it seems to be the "easiest" that I use, just make sure you break up files over 2gb into multipule file archives. |
| 01:44.21 | drcode | somthing like let them see only some applictions? |
| 01:44.38 | drcode | how do I use ldap via pam? |
| 01:44.49 | Nielsen | google pam ldap |
| 01:45.25 | drcode | k |
| 01:45.27 | drcode | thanx |
| 01:45.32 | TheFearsomeFufu | lex_: Ok, thanks. |
| 01:45.43 | drcode | nxclient can get sound and printer? |
| 01:46.02 | Nielsen | yeah |
| 01:46.12 | drcode | k |
| 01:46.14 | drcode | thnx |
| 01:46.17 | Nielsen | it has a built in esd server, and cups printing support |
| 01:47.22 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 01:57.08 | godling | dondelelcaro: You're at SCaLE? |
| 01:58.47 | godling | ah, yeah. It is the guy. |
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| 01:59.10 | godling | I saw him at SCaLe. He was at the Debian booth, and I got a t-shirt from him. |
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| 02:00.53 | lymeca | I want to install an Ubuntu domU guest under Debian Etch. Does debootstrap support Ubuntu gutsy? |
| 02:01.29 | enouf | !tias |
| 02:01.30 | dpkg | from memory, tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 02:01.46 | stiv2k | is there a way i can restrict only certain types of files to be in a directory |
| 02:01.50 | godling | bah. wpa_supplicant is a bitch. :( |
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| 02:02.02 | stiv2k | like only mp3 files can be put in the directory /home/mp3 |
| 02:02.11 | godling | stiv2k: not that I know of |
| 02:02.11 | maasha | I am looking for this news article about a "desktop" linux cluster with 16 motherboards and double core processors, that was the first cluster to obtain > xx Gflops for the cost of > xxx $ ? anyone remember this (some months ago)? |
| 02:02.17 | stiv2k | godling: what about through samba |
| 02:02.17 | hudu | help a noob? What do you recommend for a good BASIC text-editor. When I save the document it saves in plain text and will open in ms-notepad. |
| 02:02.28 | stiv2k | if its a samba share |
| 02:02.28 | godling | stiv2k: not that I know of |
| 02:02.31 | stiv2k | hmm |
| 02:02.39 | maasha | hudu nano |
| 02:02.41 | godling | which isn't to say there isn't a way. |
| 02:02.47 | stiv2k | good |
| 02:02.52 | godling | hudu: nano or pico |
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| 02:03.05 | hudu | maasha: thx... I'll go get it |
| 02:03.10 | enouf | hudu: nano wil save in ms-dos format |
| 02:03.33 | enouf | hudu: or just opn unix docs in wordpad :-P |
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| 02:09.32 | maasha | I am almost certain I saw that article on linux.com - but I get too many search results ... |
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| 02:14.58 | solidnail | do you ever feel scared to wake someone up? do people pretend sleep? |
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| 02:16.38 | liable | just accidently drop a fucking huge saucepan on your tiled kitchen floor |
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| 02:19.16 | wad | I'd like to play with some source code for a debian package, but I have some getting-started questions. Is this the right channel? |
| 02:19.39 | wad | I downloaded the source tarball, and ran "configure" and "make". |
| 02:19.47 | wad | But I don't see where it put the executable file. |
| 02:19.50 | jim | wad: try the package: hello |
| 02:19.59 | wad | jim: okay, I'll do that. |
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| 02:20.21 | jim | and it's gnu hello, which is an example... apt-get source hello |
| 02:20.26 | wad | Since I'm interested in learning how the debian system sets stuff up... |
| 02:20.32 | jim | I recommend that you read every file |
| 02:20.33 | wad | Ah, the "source" command!! |
| 02:21.35 | solid_liq | hey, anyone know if it's possible to add a remote NFS share to an LVM volume group? |
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| 02:22.13 | jim | the nfs share would have to be a "lvm physical volume" which an nfs share is not |
| 02:22.27 | jim | but I think there might be a way to do it other than nfs |
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| 02:22.35 | pipeline | sistina distributed lvm |
| 02:22.48 | sonic_ | just updated an installation on a laptop from sarge to testing and now my boot fails because It cant find /dev/hda1 |
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| 02:23.18 | jim | sonic: grub? |
| 02:23.34 | sonic_ | jim: yes |
| 02:23.45 | debianforlife | when applying a kernel patch do I use patch -p1 or -p0, I have seen conflicting things on google |
| 02:24.08 | jim | a little familiarity with grub plus ability to press tab key can get you pretty far in the grub shell... |
| 02:24.56 | jim | debianforlife: depends on what dir you're in (with cd) when you try applying (that's what the google differences are) |
| 02:25.19 | sonic_ | jim: well hda1 is the root filesystem |
| 02:25.26 | sonic_ | I know that for a fact |
| 02:25.40 | jim | ok, do you have a separate /boot? |
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| 02:25.41 | sonic_ | and the older kernel finds it |
| 02:25.45 | debianforlife | oh, so if i have the patch in the source directory I use p0, and if up a directory then its p1? |
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| 02:25.52 | cheeseboy | any xfce users? |
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| 02:27.30 | jim | debianforlife: no, it doesn't matter where the patch is, it matters where you are :) |
| 02:27.47 | jim | because you can always locate the patch on the command line |
| 02:27.51 | effe | cheeseboy, yes |
| 02:28.07 | godling | cheeseboy: just ask :) |
| 02:28.18 | cheeseboy | effe u know how to use xfce-screenshooter ? |
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| 02:28.32 | obnauticus | What's a text-based browser that supports javascript? |
| 02:28.41 | jim | a computer program! |
| 02:28.43 | obnauticus | like i have lynx, but it's not working so well with js. |
| 02:28.44 | debianforlife | ohhh, so I am in the source directory I do patch -p0 < patch |
| 02:29.22 | jim | what does -pX do? |
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| 02:29.48 | godling | cheeseboy: just use import |
| 02:30.01 | godling | cheeseboy: type man import at the terminal |
| 02:30.19 | jim | oh good luck getting him to do THAT |
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| 02:30.47 | godling | jim: Was that to me? |
| 02:30.53 | solidnail | is virtual box or vmware users mostly linux or windows |
| 02:31.00 | jim | moreorless :) how ya doin btw? |
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| 02:31.14 | godling | jim: Don't be condescending. |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | cheeseboy: which version of debian are you using? |
| 02:31.26 | cheeseboy | testing |
| 02:31.28 | jim | oh, it's personal experience |
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| 02:31.58 | abrotman | cheeseboy: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:32.01 | godling | You're personally experienced at being condescending? :) |
| 02:32.16 | PhrkOnLsh | Hi folks, I've returned with more wlan issues |
| 02:32.17 | cheeseboy | ... |
| 02:32.32 | jim | no, I'm personally experienced with this particular case... he won't read |
| 02:32.37 | godling | ah |
| 02:32.53 | jim | so you have a coupla choices...] |
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| 02:33.06 | godling | So we can have a conversation about him in the open channel and he won't see it? |
| 02:33.16 | jim | either get him satisfied and OUT fast |
| 02:33.28 | jim | which means you'd have to read to him |
| 02:33.49 | FrozenSpoon | Why is there not a 'development enviroment' task? What's the quickest way to get development stuff on my new debian install? |
| 02:34.11 | godling | FrozenSpoon: What do you want to develop? |
| 02:34.14 | jim | you could try getting him to read... maybe he's changed... |
| 02:34.23 | FrozenSpoon | C (gcc) |
| 02:34.39 | jim | there's build-essential |
| 02:34.45 | jetscreamer | there is a dev task |
| 02:34.47 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 02:34.52 | jetscreamer | but tasksel sucks |
| 02:35.02 | FrozenSpoon | I ran tasksel and didn't see it |
| 02:35.03 | kgoetz | FrozenSpoon: probably because theres so many difffent things people might want to develop |
| 02:35.14 | cheeseboy | how do i use xfce-screenshooter? |
| 02:35.15 | jim | there are a number of ides and non-integrated development envs (linux itself being one of those) |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | FrozenSpoon: build-essential |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | cheeseboy: read the freaking man page |
| 02:36.05 | FrozenSpoon | alright, yeah, build-essential looks good. thanks |
| 02:36.15 | cheeseboy | there isnt a mant page on xfce-screenshooter |
| 02:36.21 | jim | godling: one day he came in here with some questions and threatened to annoy us to death if we didn't just give him the answers |
| 02:36.25 | solidnail | why doesn't people always do warez and instead they buy? are they totally ignorant? |
| 02:36.36 | jim | err no, wait, it wasn't here, it was on #perl |
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| 02:36.56 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail.troll=true; |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | solidnail: do you have a debian question or not? |
| 02:37.14 | abrotman | solidnail: if you want to ramble on .. try #defocus .. don't do it here |
| 02:37.17 | effe | cheeseboy, 1: add it to the panel; 2: just click on the icon and enter the name |
| 02:37.27 | cheeseboy | ok thnx |
| 02:37.31 | solidnail | abortman is there a 1 cd or dvd isntall for debian |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | I TOLD YOU |
| 02:37.41 | PhrkOnLsh | debian.org/cd |
| 02:37.44 | godling | jim: there's always /ignore, I suppose |
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| 02:37.51 | jim | solidnail: lots of different ways |
| 02:37.52 | onvsop | hey fellas |
| 02:37.56 | PhrkOnLsh | er |
| 02:38.04 | onvsop | does anyonek know a good guide for configuring sendmail |
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| 02:38.33 | onvsop | i just want a simple setup to send through a smtp server ;) |
| 02:38.34 | PhrkOnLsh | debian.org/CD -- solidnail |
| 02:38.37 | godling | onvsop: Yes. There's a sendmail howto |
| 02:38.42 | jim | onvsop: it comes with the original sendmail source distribution |
| 02:38.46 | godling | afaik |
| 02:38.59 | PhrkOnLsh | I cannot build the realtek rtl 8185 wlan drivers :( |
| 02:38.59 | onvsop | thanks jim :) |
| 02:39.04 | jim | also there is the oreilly book |
| 02:39.10 | godling | haha |
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| 02:39.32 | jim | which is REALLY huge... but a lot of it is this great tutorial |
| 02:39.40 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: error ? |
| 02:39.45 | onvsop | hrmm, might be good to read it some day |
| 02:39.48 | PhrkOnLsh | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 02:39.57 | onvsop | but for now i just need a simple setup for a testing server |
| 02:39.58 | jim | why sendmail, btw? |
| 02:40.00 | abrotman | onvsop: unless you really need sendmail .. consider postfix or exim |
| 02:40.18 | Nostahl | im on debian lenny how do i change my sound device to the correct one with alsamixer? the gui does not seem to let it change the device even though i select the device to use |
| 02:40.21 | jim | so sendmail might be overkill for what you're doing |
| 02:40.33 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm using these drivers: ttp://tinyurl.com/yultuj |
| 02:40.36 | jim | why sendmail? |
| 02:40.41 | onvsop | abrotman/jim - it is for testing scripts which send through sendmaikl |
| 02:40.43 | onvsop | sendmail |
| 02:40.49 | TheFearsomeFufu | PhrkOnLsh: I have the same wlan card. I use the rtl drivers from sourceforge, and they don't work |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | onvsop: anything can send |
| 02:40.55 | abrotman | onvsop: use exim or postfix |
| 02:40.58 | TheFearsomeFufu | PhrkOnLsh: I'm gonna try using ndiswrapper |
| 02:41.06 | onvsop | for example php's mail function |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: the rtl drivers aren't in debian ? |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | onvsop: use exim or postfix |
| 02:41.17 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman, nope, imo |
| 02:41.20 | abrotman | onvsop: sendmail is not required to use that |
| 02:41.25 | onvsop | awsome :) |
| 02:41.29 | onvsop | thanks abrotman :) |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | and exim/postfix are a bazillion times easier to config |
| 02:41.39 | jim | yeah, there's lots of them you can try |
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| 02:41.46 | PhrkOnLsh | ifconfig -a lists eth0, lo, and sit0 |
| 02:42.03 | PhrkOnLsh | TheFearsomeFufu: ndiswrappe? |
| 02:42.06 | jim | with sendmail either you're writing your own sendmail.cf or you're learning m4 |
| 02:42.07 | PhrkOnLsh | nidswrapper? |
| 02:42.44 | jim | and m4 while being kinda technical isn't that bad |
| 02:42.45 | TheFearsomeFufu | PhrkOnLsh: No, ndiswrapper...http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 02:42.55 | solidnail | fuck man still no luck with 1 cd |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | !find 2.6.18-5-486/build etch |
| 02:43.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of '2.6.18-5-486/build' (2): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/build) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-486 ;; (/usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.18-5-486/buildinfo.gz) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-486. |
| 02:43.08 | abrotman | solidnail: ask a useful question |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: get your linux-headers question |
| 02:43.23 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:44.27 | abrotman | solidnail: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | other than be annoying :) |
| 02:44.46 | jim | solidnail: lots of times you can look at what you have now and learn a LOT from it |
| 02:44.48 | PhrkOnLsh | TheFearsomeFufu: thats what I meant sry :) thx |
| 02:45.00 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: linux-headers question? |
| 02:45.08 | jim | just linux headers :) |
| 02:45.13 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 02:45.16 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: get your linux-headers |
| 02:45.34 | solidnail | abrotman i am done talking to you and you threatening me |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: my brain wanted to keep typing .. |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | solidnail: are you going to stop being silly? :) |
| 02:46.00 | jim | solidnail: he's not threatening you |
| 02:46.07 | solidnail | abrotman why you thret me |
| 02:46.12 | solidnail | jim ok |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | yeah .. anyways |
| 02:46.14 | lymeca | Does anyone know if an RSS aggregator can be added to DirectConnect? |
| 02:46.16 | jim | he's not! |
| 02:46.29 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, i think I've got it, thanks abrotman |
| 02:46.30 | jim | settle down :P stop interpreting it that way |
| 02:46.42 | jim | stop, and see What Is |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | solidnail: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 02:46.47 | solidnail | jim how can i know what voise ton ehe is using |
| 02:46.57 | jim | it doesn't matter |
| 02:47.04 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: is it going now ? |
| 02:47.04 | jim | don't assume a tone |
| 02:47.15 | jim | assume the most friendliest |
| 02:47.15 | solidnail | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 02:47.24 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: i'm apt-getting em now |
| 02:47.45 | jim | puppys are NOT threatening! |
| 02:47.51 | solidnail | jim what if i am wrong when i assume? he just got better end of the deal |
| 02:48.01 | jim | don't assume anything |
| 02:48.02 | solidnail | abrotman i hate puppies |
| 02:48.05 | PhrkOnLsh | cool, builds, thanks abrotman! |
| 02:48.11 | PhrkOnLsh | lets see if it works now ;) |
| 02:48.37 | abrotman | solidnail: sounds like you're threatening me! |
| 02:48.42 | jim | solidnail: it looks like you don't want help. |
| 02:48.57 | solidnail | no i do i do but no puppies |
| 02:48.59 | jim | solidnail: what do you want |
| 02:49.12 | solidnail | jim just a peace of mind |
| 02:49.47 | jim | oh, in that case disconnect from the net immediately! ?) |
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| 02:50.23 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, abrotman after building drivers, I run the ./wlan0up script to bring it online and: |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: whoa there fella .. |
| 02:50.43 | PhrkOnLsh | insmod: can't read 'ieee80211-rtl.ko': No such file or directory |
| 02:50.52 | PhrkOnLsh | x approximately 7 |
| 02:51.18 | jim | did you m-a something? |
| 02:51.28 | PhrkOnLsh | ? |
| 02:52.10 | godling | why would wpa_supplicant hang? |
| 02:52.17 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: use modprobe |
| 02:52.25 | godling | it's in uninterruptible sleep and it's pissing me off |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: and did it compile correctly ? |
| 02:52.51 | PhrkOnLsh | it compiled 100% fine imo |
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| 02:53.26 | jim | if it compiled, did it build a package? |
| 02:53.46 | jim | or how did you compile it? |
| 02:53.47 | sime_ | Is it possible for diff to only output the changed lines in the new file ? |
| 02:54.04 | jim | there are lots of possibilities for diff |
| 02:54.07 | abrotman | sime_: man diff .. yes |
| 02:54.13 | PhrkOnLsh | The download had a makedrv script which is basically just a wrapper for two make cmds |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | wait .. i think |
| 02:54.23 | jim | man diff for details... note that diff can produce many different kinds of diffd |
| 02:54.27 | jim | diffs |
| 02:54.36 | sime_ | abrotman: thanks, but i'm struggling iwth it. |
| 02:55.01 | godling | holy hell this is irritating. how the hell can someone associate with 00:00:00:00:00:00? |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:56.09 | jim | but if you do that then you're making a diff that will be hard to apply unless it's EXACTLY to the version you made the diff against |
| 02:56.36 | sime_ | Sorry my intial question was wrong, changed line numbers in the new file ? |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | sime_: number of lines that are different ? |
| 02:57.34 | sime_ | abrotman: line number in new file |
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| 02:57.44 | abrotman | sime_: huh ? |
| 02:57.46 | jim | sime_, back up a few steps... what are you trying to do exactly |
| 02:57.49 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 02:57.53 | tknudsen_ | greetings |
| 02:58.02 | Azar | it's Sunday... I KNOWWW!! |
| 02:58.21 | jim | to me it's the day after saterdey |
| 02:58.32 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:58.41 | Azar | is just a /.-ism or is true? " Linux Kernel 2.6 Local Root Exploit" |
| 02:58.44 | tknudsen_ | can someone explain this: apt-get install gcc, yields a compiler that can't make executeables |
| 02:58.57 | jim | interesting |
| 02:58.59 | abrotman | !b-e tknudsen_ |
| 02:58.59 | dpkg | tknudsen_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 02:59.00 | sime_ | Searching for new line in new file. |
| 02:59.04 | godling | oh wtf |
| 02:59.10 | godling | I do ifconfig and now it hangs |
| 02:59.20 | godling | does anyone know what's going on? |
| 02:59.21 | sime_ | Though the line number is more valid |
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| 02:59.36 | godling | I'm going to have to reboot. |
| 02:59.40 | tknudsen_ | I see, thanks folks |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | sime_: do you know the contents of the line ? |
| 02:59.47 | jim | it won't ctrl-c? |
| 02:59.51 | godling | no, jim |
| 02:59.58 | godling | I can't even kill -9 it |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | Azar: true .. very much so |
| 03:00.05 | sime_ | abrotman: yes, comparing CSV's. |
| 03:00.06 | jim | can you switch consoles? |
| 03:00.12 | abrotman | sime_: do you know the contents of the line ? |
| 03:00.14 | godling | I'm in X |
| 03:00.16 | Azar | abrotman , thanks |
| 03:00.29 | jim | still same question |
| 03:00.32 | godling | it's not hanging my system, but it hangs the terminal |
| 03:00.38 | jim | oh ok |
| 03:00.38 | Azar | I am happy I still rot in the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 03:00.39 | sime_ | abrotman: no |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | sime_: then how will you find it ? |
| 03:00.52 | Azar | back in the days kernels were crafted with love |
| 03:00.54 | PhrkOnLsh | do I modprobe all of my .ko's? |
| 03:01.00 | jim | oranges rot... donuts rot... why are you rotting? |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | all? |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | !rot13 jim |
| 03:01.09 | dpkg | wvz |
| 03:01.10 | PhrkOnLsh | from where they are built |
| 03:01.25 | abrotman | should be a make install and a depmod -a |
| 03:01.28 | sime_ | abrotman: well diff will find differences. |
| 03:01.35 | PhrkOnLsh | or do I move them somewhere in particular |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | sime_: and then what? you'll have a diff file with no references to the originals ? |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | sime_: or is only one line going to differ ? |
| 03:02.08 | PhrkOnLsh | no rule for make target install :( |
| 03:02.20 | jim | love?! mrproper loves msmanners??! |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: read the INSTALL manual or whatever |
| 03:02.33 | mosno | when etch/sid d-i does "lvm with encryption", does it do dm-crypt on the LVM PV, VG or LV? |
| 03:02.37 | PhrkOnLsh | there isn't any, abrotman |
| 03:02.40 | PhrkOnLsh | i have a README |
| 03:02.42 | sime_ | abrotman: Multiple lines will differ, when I have the line numbers, I will perform logic on those lines |
| 03:02.46 | mosno | well, !VG |
| 03:02.54 | PhrkOnLsh | that says .//makedrv will make and install modules, which obviously isn't the case |
| 03:03.00 | PhrkOnLsh | ./makedrv, rather |
| 03:03.09 | mosno | or maybe the raw sda block device...? |
| 03:03.11 | abrotman | sime_: if you have the lines .. you can grep and get the line number |
| 03:03.26 | godling | bah |
| 03:03.30 | Azar | haha... http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=448542&cid=22372460 |
| 03:03.32 | sime_ | abrotman: looks like the solution |
| 03:03.41 | jim | well see there's an approach you can use which does the entire build for you and puts the whole result in a debian package |
| 03:03.43 | godling | now it is hanging the system 'cause I tried to log out. |
| 03:03.46 | jim | which you then install |
| 03:03.55 | godling | ok there it is |
| 03:04.14 | PhrkOnLsh | jim, how do I do that? |
| 03:04.16 | jim | it's much cleaner (since a debian package is easily removed) |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | sime_: there is a program called .. uhm |
| 03:04.41 | jim | ok, let's see. what is it you're trying to build |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | sime_: called comm .. where you can get the intersection/union of two files .. |
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| 03:05.17 | PhrkOnLsh | hey, aquatix, i know him :) |
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| 03:05.24 | godling | screw it, I'm rebooting |
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| 03:05.29 | PhrkOnLsh | jim, rtl-8185 wlan drivers |
| 03:05.42 | godling | Has anyone here gotten WPA to work with the Intel 4965? |
| 03:05.45 | jim | ok, and is there debianized source for that? |
| 03:05.54 | PhrkOnLsh | not imo |
| 03:06.00 | PhrkOnLsh | just a generic from |
| 03:06.27 | godling | ah ha |
| 03:06.31 | sime_ | abrotman: yes it seems more grep friendly as well |
| 03:06.37 | jim | !listkeys 8185 |
| 03:06.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8185' by key (1): rtl8185. |
| 03:06.39 | PhrkOnLsh | http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=1&PFid=1&Level=6&Conn=5&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true |
| 03:06.40 | godling | I hit my wireless kill switch and it woke up |
| 03:06.52 | jim | !rtl8185 |
| 03:06.53 | dpkg | hmm... rtl-wifi is the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. The main page is at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/, see http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for installation instructions. Revision 65 fails to compile on i386, check out revision 57 ("-r57") or 62 instead. |
| 03:07.15 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, there's an sf proj? |
| 03:07.20 | jim | had you seen that before? |
| 03:07.41 | PhrkOnLsh | no i hadn't! |
| 03:07.47 | PhrkOnLsh | Very insteresting |
| 03:07.49 | PhrkOnLsh | lemme toy with this |
| 03:08.04 | jim | so I'm not at all saying that your build that you've done so far won't work |
| 03:08.14 | PhrkOnLsh | well, it hasn't ;) |
| 03:08.18 | jim | all I'm saying is, here's a cleaner approach |
| 03:08.38 | PhrkOnLsh | sounds worth a try |
| 03:08.41 | PhrkOnLsh | bbiab, jim, all |
| 03:08.43 | jim | I'm also not saying it will necessarily produce different/working results |
| 03:08.52 | enouf | abrotman: fwiw, found here http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/releases/linux-2.6/2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=10501&sc=1 seems to take care of the latter 2 (CVE-2008-0600 and CVE-2008-0010) of the 3 (CVE-2008-0009) |
| 03:08.54 | jim | but I invite you to look |
| 03:09.01 | PhrkOnLsh | thks, jim |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | enouf: fix them all! |
| 03:09.31 | enouf | ok, 1st thing :-p |
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| 03:09.52 | enouf | abrotman: from d-k channel [19:18:16] <CIA-2> waldi * r10501 /releases/linux-2.6/2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1/: Release linux-2.6 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1). |
| 03:10.04 | enouf | EST |
| 03:10.05 | jim | take two make executables and call me in the morning of 1/1/3004 |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | enouf: still not built! |
| 03:10.23 | enouf | get busy ;-) |
| 03:10.52 | Gun_Smoke | I just got kde4 up and going.. It's pretty.. But I don't think I like the layout.. Esp trying to find something in the kmenu |
| 03:11.37 | Gun_Smoke | But I did it in a VM with kubuntu.. maybe the build is different.. ubuntu suck. |
| 03:12.02 | PhrkOnLsh | !rtl-8185 |
| 03:12.07 | jim | no - |
| 03:12.14 | jim | (it turned out) |
| 03:12.15 | PhrkOnLsh | that doesn't match Under Debian or Ubuntu with kernel 2.6.22, please use rev. 62 (rev. 52, 57 and > 63 doesn't compile rtl818x-newstack) |
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| 03:12.31 | jim | also, you can /msg dpkg rtl8185 |
| 03:12.53 | PhrkOnLsh | what i"m saying is that dpkg says use r57 and the wiki says not to |
| 03:13.14 | jim | I think it was 57 or something |
| 03:13.22 | Gun_Smoke | I suppose a source build of kde4 is possible? |
| 03:13.30 | jim | 57 or 62 |
| 03:13.42 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: kde4 isn't supported here .. ask #debian-kde or #kde |
| 03:14.00 | Gun_Smoke | ok abrotman |
| 03:14.48 | jim | Gun_Smoke: yes, it's possible... try it out and see (but you're fully responsible for the result; you might like it, you might not... any case tho, you get to learn stuff) |
| 03:15.32 | enouf | yeah, greek letters (alpha, beta ..) |
| 03:15.58 | jim | and since it won't be coming from a .deb available from debian... this won't be the best place to ask about it |
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| 03:18.00 | Gun_Smoke | jim: I've got it going on a vm with blood sucking kubuntu.... Only because there is a stupid simple aptitude got it done way.. I'll look around to see whats up with debian and 4.. Maybe I do a Sid build with 4 or the like |
| 03:18.50 | jim | so you want to rebuild because the menu is somehow unclear? |
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| 03:19.36 | jim | what's a good virtualization system I can play with |
| 03:19.48 | jim | I played with xen, pretty cool! |
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| 03:20.56 | jim | mentor: how'd that C thing go from yesterday? oh, linking to the -g lib |
| 03:21.25 | mentor | jim: namespace pollution from multiple version of the same shared library |
| 03:21.42 | PhrkOnLsh | ifconfig reports a wlan0 folks! |
| 03:21.47 | jim | ahh, and how was that resolved? or was it? |
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| 03:22.29 | PhrkOnLsh | I suppose I can use KWiFiManager to connect at this point? |
| 03:22.44 | jim | see if it works |
| 03:22.54 | Manfre_ | i have a 3ware 8506 raid card and sid installed to a separate sata drive (/dev/sda1). If I boot up with the raid drives connected, debian will fail to boot because the raid array is being found as /dev/sda |
| 03:23.00 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, no networks found :( |
| 03:23.11 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm five feet from my router too :( |
| 03:23.22 | enouf | Manfre_: play with your BIOS |
| 03:23.31 | jetscreamer | so what is this new kernel bug/vulnerability |
| 03:23.37 | Gun_Smoke | jim: I think it was ubuntu that build the stupid ass menu.. I know the difference between (just speaking kde) builds from kde core and whatever and the hell I pulled from ubuntu's repos.. I will only be able to judge kde 4 once I see a non bullshit build. So I guess I build another VM debian, and try a kde4 source build.. Unless..... |
| 03:24.00 | enouf | jetscreamer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 |
| 03:24.07 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 03:24.15 | mentor | jim: Use the version that's compiled correctly |
| 03:24.16 | Manfre_ | enouf, any settings I should look for? I have the sata drive set to boot first |
| 03:24.35 | enouf | your Card is ending up as 1st it appears |
| 03:24.46 | jim | mentor: cool :) so you got your backtrace? |
| 03:25.06 | jim | Gun_Smoke, sounds like an adventure |
| 03:25.34 | Manfre_ | grub lets me select the the image and I get partially through the debian boot process when it encounters the drive issues |
| 03:25.35 | mentor | jim: Yes, but it turned out to be irrelevant in the end |
| 03:25.48 | jim | hmm. |
| 03:26.14 | jetscreamer | using root=UUID= might fix that , instead of root=/dev/whatever |
| 03:26.14 | jim | but it sounds like you got somewhere with it |
| 03:26.29 | godling | um |
| 03:26.39 | enouf | yes, UUID, or LABEL= |
| 03:26.47 | godling | ksoftirqd shouldn't be eating up 100% of my cpu should it? :/ |
| 03:27.06 | Manfre_ | can you point me to a doc? I'm new to debian |
| 03:27.21 | jim | Manfre_: what do you want to do? |
| 03:27.41 | Gun_Smoke | jim: or anybody, I suppose a sid build on a vm would best support the trip to getting kde4 up and going? |
| 03:27.42 | PhrkOnLsh | KWiFiManager isn't giving me any connection :( |
| 03:27.54 | jim | oh, you have the raid |
| 03:27.55 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: i already told you where to ask |
| 03:28.06 | enouf | Manfre_: ls -l /dev/disk/by-* to see labels and uuids of partitions |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | !tell Gun_Smoke about kde4 |
| 03:28.30 | jim | Gun_Smoke: I don't have recent experience with sid |
| 03:28.36 | Gun_Smoke | thanks abrotman. Just sit on the sidelines then. |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: go ask the right place |
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| 03:29.15 | Gun_Smoke | sid, lenny, or etch.. seems to be the right place abrotman. |
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| 03:29.29 | enouf | Manfre_: instead of root=/dev/sda in grub, use root=UUID=32354354-xxxx-long-number .. or root=LABEL=LabelName .. alter /etc/fstab accordingly |
| 03:29.40 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: no .. #kde is .. kde4 is NOT in debian .. |
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| 03:29.48 | enouf | er instead of root=/dev/sda1 |
| 03:30.01 | Manfre_ | ok |
| 03:30.11 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: That doesn't mean it can't be... So who gives a shit? |
| 03:30.19 | Daveman | :D |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: this channel is to support Debian .. |
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| 03:31.14 | enouf | Manfre_: for labelnames, in fstab, use LABEL=labelname, for uuids, use UUID= |
| 03:31.15 | jim | Gun_Smoke: building stuff, you're already doing it... give it a try (no guarantee who wants to answer questions about the process or the result) |
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| 03:31.34 | jetscreamer | Manfre_: if you have linux booted, ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid or by-whatever |
| 03:31.50 | jetscreamer | by-label, by-something else |
| 03:31.53 | enouf | got it covered already jet ;-) |
| 03:32.00 | jetscreamer | there are 4 choices.. ah ok nm |
| 03:32.23 | jetscreamer | 3 choices oops |
| 03:32.25 | jim | Gun_Smoke: I think you have the idea you'd have to leave here in order to ask somewhere else, and that's just not the case |
| 03:32.41 | jim | you can be here AND there |
| 03:33.09 | jetscreamer | i don't have a /dev/disk/by-label ... i could have sworn i did, and/or there were 4 subdirs under /dev/disk |
| 03:33.10 | abrotman | but asking here is most likely useless .. kde4 isn't in debian .. not many people here have likely tried it .. as compared to #kde or #debian-kde |
| 03:33.22 | jetscreamer | actuall |
| 03:33.25 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 03:33.34 | jetscreamer | pieces of kde4 have migrated to testing |
| 03:33.49 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it's not even in sid yet |
| 03:33.56 | jetscreamer | pieces of it are |
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| 03:34.01 | godling | the wpa_supplicant website sucks |
| 03:34.08 | Manfre_ | do i need to alter the root (hd0,0) line in grub? |
| 03:34.17 | jim | that's all true... you'd have to be talking to maybe a debian kde maint, and he might be busy or not even working on kde4 yet |
| 03:34.17 | Gun_Smoke | abrotman: I'm not going to start a war with you here. You know way more than I do and more than likely have a pretty good following. Being said as so, if I decide to do anything in debian, I'll first stop here and thats that.. If you don't have positive input stfu. |
| 03:34.24 | enouf | jetscreamer: it'll appear if you want to create them, for ex; e2label for ext2/3 |
| 03:34.36 | jetscreamer | if you're booting something other than hd0,0 you do |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke: i did give you positive info .. i todl you the best place to ask is likely #debian-kde or #kde ... |
| 03:34.45 | jetscreamer | the groot remains the same |
| 03:34.55 | enouf | Manfre_: i don;t think so, since you sid debian starts loading |
| 03:35.04 | enouf | s/sid/said |
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| 03:35.24 | abrotman | especially regarding compiling it .. |
| 03:35.36 | jetscreamer | enouf: ah.. i don't have any labels on my stuff.. i don't even have any ext* |
| 03:36.07 | jim | solidnail: btw, I was halfway kidding about leaving immediately... the point I was making was that "peace of mind" is not guaranteed on the net |
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| 03:36.09 | levander | sar doesn't run on Windows does it? |
| 03:36.09 | enouf | Manfre_: if ever you need to mess with that, the file /boot/grub/device.map is what grub reads from, also, grub has a 'map' option, but i don;t think yuou need it |
| 03:36.32 | solidnail | jim yo is i386 is x2 3800+ |
| 03:36.37 | enouf | jetscreamer: righto, i only have one - my reiserfs partition ;-) |
| 03:36.44 | jim | amd? |
| 03:37.02 | jetscreamer | works great |
| 03:37.18 | Manfre_ | okk |
| 03:37.18 | jetscreamer | hide didn't hide it from windows though |
| 03:37.19 | solidnail | jim yeap |
| 03:37.22 | jim | you can use debian i386 on that yes. On top of that, the compilers work better |
| 03:37.28 | enouf | jetscreamer: bingo |
| 03:37.28 | jetscreamer | speaking of.. it's hidden atm :o |
| 03:37.35 | enouf | heh |
| 03:37.38 | solidnail | jim what is amd 64 then? |
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| 03:37.49 | Manfre_ | sanity check, an fstab line would look like UUID=<uuid> / ext3 .... |
| 03:37.52 | jim | you could use that too |
| 03:37.57 | jetscreamer | it's a generic dual core type |
| 03:38.01 | PhrkOnLsh | bah, this is driving me bonkers |
| 03:38.02 | enouf | Manfre_: yep |
| 03:38.04 | Manfre_ | cool |
| 03:38.16 | PhrkOnLsh | what is the command to bring up the wifi in rtl-wifi |
| 03:38.19 | PhrkOnLsh | there wiki sucks |
| 03:38.20 | jim | but not all packages that build under i386 will build under amd64 |
| 03:38.26 | garou | Hi. Anybody around who could help me wrestle with my ATI card? |
| 03:38.28 | jim | so |
| 03:38.32 | enouf | iwconfig? got wireless-tools installed PhrkOnLsh |
| 03:38.32 | jim | you have a choice |
| 03:38.49 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, thanks, enouf |
| 03:38.50 | jetscreamer | Manfre_: http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab1.txt |
| 03:38.50 | solidnail | jim what's the point of amd 64 then |
| 03:39.06 | jim | eventually hopefully the compilers will be fixed |
| 03:39.12 | jim | but that's nontrivial |
| 03:39.15 | jim | and so you'll be waiting |
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| 03:39.43 | jim | well, you'll be waiting unless none of the packages you want fail to build |
| 03:39.45 | garou | I've downloaded the proprietary driver, built the .debs, installed them, used m-a to create the module, shut xdm down, rmmod fglrx, modprobe fglrx, xdm start, no direct rendering... |
| 03:39.57 | jetscreamer | i put an amd64 kernel in my 32bit box (c2d cpu) guess the software needs to be optimized also? i didn't see any number crunching improvement (pw cracking) |
| 03:40.28 | enouf | you c2d is 32bit? or |
| 03:40.32 | jim | maybe number crunching doesn't involve the kernel |
| 03:40.34 | enouf | 32bit userland only |
| 03:40.40 | jetscreamer | the kernel is 64bit, the os is 32 |
| 03:40.44 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:40.45 | ChrisHansen08 | garou: Please stop privmsging me. |
| 03:40.47 | enouf | ok |
| 03:41.04 | solidnail | is 64 bit faster and perform better than 32 bit? |
| 03:41.07 | jetscreamer | hey ChrisHansen08 leave ##windows alone :) |
| 03:41.12 | jim | maybe |
| 03:41.14 | garou | ChrisHansen08: I never even started, wtf? |
| 03:41.23 | enouf | too generic a question solidnail |
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| 03:41.38 | ChrisHansen08 | <garou> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 03:41.43 | solidnail | enouf how do you mean? |
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| 03:41.52 | ChrisHansen08 | <garou> LEAVE THE INTERWEB |
| 03:41.53 | jetscreamer | he means it all depends |
| 03:42.00 | abrotman | ChrisHansen08: please don't do that here |
| 03:42.04 | enouf | i don't solidnail , it's something you'll need to research a bit |
| 03:42.17 | solidnail | enouf too lazy |
| 03:42.24 | ChrisHansen08 | abrotman: Okay, I will just /ignore garou |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | ChrisHansen08: thank you .. have a nice day |
| 03:42.34 | enouf | ok, pay up :-P |
| 03:42.38 | jetscreamer | you could try anandtech.com solidnail .. they do the work for you |
| 03:42.58 | garou | I'll stay with "WTF?". |
| 03:43.08 | abrotman | garou: just ignore it and keep getting help |
| 03:43.09 | Manfre_ | boot failed..."resume: Could not stat the resume device file '/dev/sda5'" |
| 03:43.13 | jim | solidnail: there are probably lots of papers detailing how and under what conditions and by how much each improves the performance |
| 03:43.39 | Manfre_ | sda5 is swap and didn't have a uuid |
| 03:43.40 | enouf | resume? wtf? |
| 03:43.46 | enouf | omg |
| 03:43.56 | solidnail | i installed jigdo but no where to be found |
| 03:44.06 | Manfre_ | last thing it tried was "Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ..." |
| 03:44.07 | jetscreamer | you can do swap by uuid, but how to find out the uuid of the swap partition i do not know |
| 03:44.19 | ChrisHansen08 | Damn it, /ignore sucks. |
| 03:44.25 | jetscreamer | mine got set up automagically |
| 03:44.27 | solidnail | jim who would waste their time creating those manual and why? |
| 03:44.28 | enouf | i don't worry about suspend issues, that's a whole other dimension |
| 03:44.29 | jim | if you don't want to read those, that's fine... then you'll have to be satisfied with my earlier response about whether amd64 arch/kernel performs better than i386 arch/kernel, namely: |
| 03:44.30 | jim | maybe |
| 03:44.43 | jetscreamer | you might try noresume in the kernel line |
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| 03:44.50 | jim | solidnail: ot |
| 03:44.52 | jim | err |
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| 03:45.08 | solidnail | jim what's ot? |
| 03:45.11 | jim | solidnail: it is an act of communication meant to foster discussion and development |
| 03:45.14 | enouf | jetscreamer: same place - in /dev/disk/* |
| 03:45.15 | jetscreamer | !ot |
| 03:45.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:45.18 | Manfre_ | hmm...it still managed to boot past that line...so the uuid for the root has certainly helped |
| 03:45.24 | jim | not ot, It |
| 03:45.25 | ciphernaut | !info 1394 |
| 03:45.26 | Manfre_ | i've got 4gb ram, so swap space isn't so critical |
| 03:45.27 | jetscreamer | enouf: no my swap is never there |
| 03:45.39 | enouf | ok |
| 03:45.43 | jetscreamer | least not in by-uuid |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | ciphernaut: need help? |
| 03:45.55 | Manfre_ | my swap is only listed in by-id |
| 03:45.55 | enouf | a partition? or a file? |
| 03:45.57 | jetscreamer | !tell ciphernaut -about search |
| 03:46.02 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:46.03 | jetscreamer | partition |
| 03:46.05 | jim | I dunt ment to say ot... I meaned to say it |
| 03:46.08 | Nyle | man its cold as balls outside |
| 03:46.14 | enouf | ok jetscreamer |
| 03:46.16 | jetscreamer | !tell nyle -about nyeet |
| 03:46.27 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yes, yes I did, tyvm |
| 03:46.31 | enouf | Nyle: freezing |
| 03:46.40 | Nyle | below freezing actually |
| 03:46.45 | Nyle | I miss LA |
| 03:46.53 | enouf | much .. add that windchill too :-) |
| 03:47.02 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't figure out how to use iwconfig |
| 03:47.05 | godling | Nyle: It's been pretty freaking cold out here. |
| 03:47.06 | ciphernaut | abrotman, jetscreamer trying to figure out whether testing kernel provides module in turn /dev/raw1394 |
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| 03:47.08 | Azar | Nyle!! :) |
| 03:47.08 | PhrkOnLsh | the man entry is confusing me :) |
| 03:47.10 | solidnail | is sue beter than debian? |
| 03:47.11 | godling | Nyle: You're not missing much. |
| 03:47.13 | solidnail | suse |
| 03:47.24 | Azar | abrotman, you were right, I got bored at SCALE |
| 03:47.33 | abrotman | Azar: but you got to meet don! |
| 03:47.34 | jim | solidnail: it's better if you like it better, and for the reasons you would like it |
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| 03:47.43 | Azar | no, Bdale |
| 03:47.44 | enouf | ciphernaut: add your user to the 'disk' group |
| 03:47.48 | Azar | and his daughter |
| 03:47.51 | abrotman | Azar: don was at the debian booth |
| 03:47.59 | Nyle | Azar: hey |
| 03:48.00 | jetscreamer | ciphernaut: there is such a module |
| 03:48.04 | Azar | mann!! I missed him |
| 03:48.08 | enouf | ciphernaut: rgrep 1394 /etc/udev |
| 03:48.10 | Azar | Nyle: hey |
| 03:48.13 | jetscreamer | it's called rawn maybe ... |
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| 03:48.22 | Azar | firstly was crowded like hell |
| 03:48.31 | jim | any cuties? |
| 03:48.34 | Azar | second, little talks about debian, very little |
| 03:48.36 | enouf | ciphernaut: rgrep raw1394 /etc/udev even |
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| 03:48.41 | jim | booth bunnys? |
| 03:48.54 | Azar | 2 linuxchix |
| 03:49.08 | godling | haha |
| 03:49.16 | Manfre_ | awesome...i have my raid mounted |
| 03:49.18 | jim | among everyone there?? that;s sad |
| 03:49.21 | PhrkOnLsh | how can I search for wlan aps using iwconfig? |
| 03:49.39 | enouf | iwlist? |
| 03:49.39 | Azar | well, I didn't looked at girls much... was my first at a linux expo |
| 03:49.41 | solidnail | do you recommend network install for debian? other than that i can't finf debian in 1 cd or 1 dvd . can you help? |
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| 03:49.51 | godling | Azar: Me, too. |
| 03:49.54 | godling | Azar: It was fun. |
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| 03:49.58 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 03:49.58 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 03:50.15 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48900 <-- my xorg.conf If anyone feels like helping out, my combined resolution is 2560x1024@60, while I want one monitor to have 1600x1200 and the other to have 1280x1024 while keeping their individual refresh rates |
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| 03:50.26 | Azar | I met people using debian, that made my day |
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| 03:50.29 | Nyle | I can't for the life of me figure out what is missing here |
| 03:50.30 | jim | solidnail: sure... I'd use netinst to get a tiny debian on there |
| 03:50.39 | Azar | Nyle: your marble |
| 03:50.52 | jim | marblemouse! |
| 03:50.59 | deadcat | i am looking at this latest kernel exploit about vmsplice? how can i tell if i have it compiled? i cant find vmsplice in .config and one of my machine dont even have /proc/kallsyms |
| 03:51.04 | godling | Azar: I am typically too shy to do stuff like that; at least I managed to donate $10 to the Debian fellows and get a t-shirt. |
| 03:51.18 | Nyle | godling: word |
| 03:51.29 | enouf | deadcat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 |
| 03:51.32 | Nyle | I can donate a joint |
| 03:51.34 | Nyle | :D |
| 03:51.37 | deadcat | enouf: ya. read that. |
| 03:51.45 | enouf | well, run it |
| 03:51.49 | ciphernaut | enouf, jetscreamer, the rule is there, the module not. running with 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 03:51.56 | jim | I'm sure someone's mom can use a hip joint |
| 03:52.07 | Azar | godling: I felt awkward to donate there, I do donate via SPI |
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| 03:52.18 | Azar | hehe Nyle |
| 03:52.22 | Nyle | but seriously, I could use some help with my xorg |
| 03:52.28 | enouf | ciphernaut: you want ohci1394 module and maybe others - review the changelogs |
| 03:52.28 | garou | brb, tried http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide, will do reboot to be sure, pray for my eye candy. ^^ |
| 03:52.31 | deadcat | enouf: oh the desktop it [-] vmsplice, on the server it Could not open /proc/kallsyms: No such file or directory |
| 03:52.43 | godling | I also got to attend my very first user group meeting ever. |
| 03:52.45 | Azar | Nyle: not me you know I am still with xfree... never used xorg before |
| 03:52.45 | jim | Nyle: what are symptoms |
| 03:53.00 | jetscreamer | hey allsyms is how they do that new kernel exploit isn't it |
| 03:53.13 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48900 <-- my xorg.conf If anyone feels like helping out, my combined resolution is 2560x1024@60, while I want one monitor to have 1600x1200 and the other to have 1280x1024 while keeping their individual refresh rates |
| 03:53.34 | enouf | ciphernaut: /sbin/modprobe -l | grep 1394 |
| 03:53.35 | Azar | but mann!!! I missed mister don! |
| 03:53.41 | solidnail | debian serge and netinst a full linux? |
| 03:53.42 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, this is strange |
| 03:53.44 | jim | hmm, that's beyond my ability |
| 03:53.44 | PhrkOnLsh | as root: |
| 03:53.46 | jetscreamer | do the 1280x1024_60 for the refresh rates maybe |
| 03:53.46 | PhrkOnLsh | deblappy:~# iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 03:53.46 | PhrkOnLsh | wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not permitted |
| 03:54.00 | jetscreamer | solidnail: d-i or goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:54.02 | PhrkOnLsh | THis is really frustrating me |
| 03:54.06 | jim | well beyond my experience anyway |
| 03:54.14 | enouf | ciphernaut: who's .22? yours? |
| 03:54.24 | solidnail | jetscreamer ? |
| 03:54.25 | Nyle | Also, if I comment out line # 76. I get both monitors displaying the same thing at 1280x1024 (clone) |
| 03:54.31 | ciphernaut | no, testing .... |
| 03:54.35 | Azar | reality is I was nervous and shy to go and ask Hi, what is your name? I am Azar!! |
| 03:54.38 | Nyle | line # 76. is the ati specific way of doing dualhead. |
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| 03:54.45 | jetscreamer | solidnail: /msg dpkg d-i or go to http://goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:54.50 | ciphernaut | enouf, ^ |
| 03:54.55 | Azar | ati is a bitch! |
| 03:54.56 | jim | solidnail: lots of people who distribute linux separate things into separate units |
| 03:55.21 | jim | solidnail: you just install what you want |
| 03:55.23 | jetscreamer | i have an ati card!!! |
| 03:55.29 | jim | yay! |
| 03:55.37 | jetscreamer | i just got it out of the garage and put it on my shelf... |
| 03:55.43 | ciphernaut | enouf, its probably a regression, 2.6.18-5 had it, ill check bz |
| 03:55.45 | Azar | jetscreamer: you are a pro... unlike Nyle... |
| 03:55.50 | enouf | ohand i'm not good at wifi at all :-/ .. man interfaces, /msg dpkg interfaces , see /usr/share/doc/<keyword> for docs, dpkg -L <pkgname> to see which file got installed where (as well as locate <keyword>) |
| 03:56.06 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: ^^^^^^^ |
| 03:56.06 | solidnail | is everyone here use compiz fusion? |
| 03:56.15 | enouf | s/ohand/offhand |
| 03:56.19 | jim | well my driver isn't new enough |
| 03:56.21 | jetscreamer | i always thought it should be pronounced 'whiffy' |
| 03:56.27 | Nyle | jetscreamer: if I use vesa, the result is a cloned desktop on 2nd monitor, with both monitors at the same resolution. I can't get a dual head to work |
| 03:56.27 | jetscreamer | not why-fye |
| 03:56.33 | jim | why? |
| 03:56.47 | PhrkOnLsh | enouf: thks |
| 03:56.51 | Azar | jetscreamer: no, like this: weefee |
| 03:56.57 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i don't do that.. i can hack on twinview all day long though |
| 03:57.25 | Nyle | jetscreamer: twinview is a piece of cake, unfortunately my new pc is pci-e and not agp, and my 7600gs is agp |
| 03:57.28 | Nyle | :( |
| 03:57.37 | Nyle | and there is no onboard video on this mobo |
| 03:57.41 | Nyle | ich8 |
| 03:57.59 | jetscreamer | you'll just have to mail me that 7600 then... |
| 03:58.00 | jim | it seems like there should be a way to do it... what if you set up framebuffers on each box and then put a combined thing on both |
| 03:58.08 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:58.39 | jim | err on each card |
| 03:58.50 | jetscreamer | but you're trying to use two different drivers, two different cards |
| 03:58.58 | jetscreamer | xorg doesn't mind eh |
| 03:59.11 | jetscreamer | seems to me it might |
| 03:59.11 | Nyle | jetscreamer: nope |
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| 03:59.22 | jetscreamer | the glx symlink should fuck you at the least |
| 03:59.25 | Nyle | ok lets start over |
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| 04:00.16 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 04:00.18 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 04:00.23 | Nyle | I have a x1900xtx, ati card, the only drivers that work are fglrx or vesa. I am using vesa, cuz it works. I have two monitors hooked up to it, and I pasted my xorg.conf. |
| 04:00.29 | jetscreamer | you don't have a pci-e and a pci |
| 04:00.41 | jetscreamer | you have dual output pci-e.. |
| 04:00.47 | jetscreamer | !lart me |
| 04:00.48 | Azar | anyhow, I feel a bit annoyed about the linuxchix stuff, I do not understand why they want be promoted ... or advertised as "women in linux" like their gender is something to be proud or ashamed of... they are just human beings, like the rest of us |
| 04:00.49 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:01.11 | Azar | thanks Nyle |
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| 04:01.19 | Nyle | Azar: ? |
| 04:01.23 | hbp | hai |
| 04:01.27 | Azar | Nyle: for the "yes" |
| 04:01.30 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:01.32 | jetscreamer | Azar: because not a lot of females are into linux, so it's kinda like a showcase to draw others, maybe |
| 04:01.34 | abrotman | Azar: totally wrong channel |
| 04:01.37 | solidnail | can i install debian from suse with netins? and still keep both os? |
| 04:01.46 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 04:01.46 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 04:01.47 | hbp | not alot of humans are into linux |
| 04:01.51 | Azar | abrotman: ok |
| 04:01.54 | jetscreamer | solidnail: yes |
| 04:02.02 | abrotman | Azar: try the -offtopic if you want to do that |
| 04:02.10 | jim | Azar: we all want the same things... to love and be loved, to see and (to the point) be seen, to know purpose and to feel a sense of connection |
| 04:02.16 | solidnail | jetscreamer how woul di resize partitions? |
| 04:02.25 | Azar | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 04:02.47 | Nyle | abort man |
| 04:02.48 | abrotman | Azar: i'm sure you can start a lively discussion on that topic in there :) |
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| 04:02.54 | jetscreamer | solidnail: i don't know, i DETEST partition resizing so i'm not the guy to ask about that |
| 04:03.00 | abrotman | Azar: and i'm being totally serious |
| 04:03.01 | jim | Azar: so: women want to be seen authentically |
| 04:03.09 | Azar | abrotman: I just realized that topic is too hot for me :) |
| 04:03.12 | solidnail | ANYONE else? |
| 04:03.15 | jetscreamer | seems to me i could do a better job hexediting |
| 04:03.17 | Nyle | women are psychotic |
| 04:03.19 | abrotman | Azar: it's not good for here .. but it's fine in #debian-offtopic |
| 04:03.20 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail, try gparted or sth :) |
| 04:03.22 | Nyle | as are men |
| 04:03.33 | jim | in other words, normal |
| 04:03.39 | godling | jim: I will gladly authenticate. |
| 04:03.41 | PhrkOnLsh | it's a livecd, and I"m not sure if there is a deb or suse util to do it :] |
| 04:03.43 | enouf | !gender |
| 04:03.44 | dpkg | I'm lesbian |
| 04:03.46 | Azar | yeah, I sensed that :) I started a not-so-good topic |
| 04:03.49 | enouf | whoops |
| 04:03.51 | jetscreamer | i'm a lesbian also |
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| 04:03.58 | godling | what a coincidence! |
| 04:04.00 | deadcat | that vmsplice exploit doesnt seem to do anything on my server/desktop. how do i know if i have vmsplice compiled? cant find in .config that bug=464953 doesnt really say much. |
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| 04:04.04 | rickdias | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:04.05 | Nyle | ok ok |
| 04:04.06 | enouf | she didn't say that last time |
| 04:04.08 | Azar | haha |
| 04:04.08 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh :) let me knock your 32 teeth out |
| 04:04.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg sex me |
| 04:04.11 | dpkg | jetscreamer is about 48% male |
| 04:04.16 | jetscreamer | ok i'm bi |
| 04:04.17 | Nyle | rickdias: don't do that |
| 04:04.19 | rickdias | DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 |
| 04:04.21 | Azar | jetscreamer: it ends in "ian" so it is ok |
| 04:04.22 | rickdias | aw |
| 04:04.25 | rickdias | how ineffective |
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| 04:04.31 | jetscreamer | rickdias: that is kline |
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| 04:04.33 | Nyle | lol |
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| 04:04.38 | jetscreamer | bye bye rick |
| 04:04.42 | hbp | thats not cool |
| 04:04.43 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail: wtf? |
| 04:04.45 | hbp | he was just saying hai |
| 04:04.46 | godling | rick is a dick |
| 04:04.46 | jim | godling: then show the next woman you see that you actually see her |
| 04:04.47 | enouf | !customer |
| 04:04.48 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 04:04.52 | Nyle | thats not cool man |
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| 04:05.02 | Azar | Nyle: you liked that huh? |
| 04:05.07 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh :) |
| 04:05.09 | jim | say hi, then tell her one thing you see about her |
| 04:05.10 | Nyle | maybe he joked and then he was gonna get serious |
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| 04:05.20 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail: why on earth would you do that? |
| 04:05.21 | ciphernaut | enouf, cheers for your help. looks like half of the firewire stuff is left out of 2.6.22-3 |
| 04:05.21 | Azar | rriiighhtt |
| 04:05.22 | hbp | serious |
| 04:05.23 | hbp | ? |
| 04:05.24 | abrotman | jim: you should try #debian-offtopic ... |
| 04:05.28 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh :) |
| 04:05.29 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 04:05.30 | godling | jim: I say hello to all the ladies in my CS department. |
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| 04:05.37 | Nyle | this dude's a fucking prick. |
| 04:05.39 | Azar | haha |
| 04:05.50 | Nyle | and you know who I mean, ffs. |
| 04:05.50 | godling | nice ascii |
| 04:05.53 | enouf | ciphernaut: ouch .. any reason why? replacement info? |
| 04:05.53 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh :) |
| 04:06.01 | Azar | it say "ole" |
| 04:06.03 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail: stop smiling, you're freaking me out |
| 04:06.12 | Nyle | Azar: indeed it do ! |
| 04:06.12 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh you smiled first |
| 04:06.12 | kgoetz | it must be sunday somewhere :/ |
| 04:06.13 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:06.17 | godling | Azar: Is it a fish or a missile? |
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| 04:06.23 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail: let's have sex, then. |
| 04:06.25 | Nyle | kgoetz: for 54 more minutes, yes |
| 04:06.25 | o7andrew | debhelper how dare you! |
| 04:06.27 | Azar | it looks like a whale |
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| 04:06.37 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh are you a woman? |
| 04:06.39 | kgoetz | Nyle: that explains a lot |
| 04:06.45 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh fat and oily? |
| 04:06.47 | PhrkOnLsh | solidnail: nah, but does it matter? |
| 04:06.52 | PhrkOnLsh | and nah to the second |
| 04:07.02 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh ok ok ok ok ok |
| 04:07.05 | godling | solidnail: Just put a wig on and turn out the lights. |
| 04:07.10 | Nyle | kgoetz: yeh.. and we have to put up with that |
| 04:07.12 | PhrkOnLsh | You first. |
| 04:07.15 | Nyle | wow, what a treat for us :( |
| 04:07.15 | Azar | I was at that linux expo and was thinking of Nyle.. |
| 04:07.16 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm a lesbian |
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| 04:07.18 | hbp | WAT |
| 04:07.24 | solidnail | godling you suggesting sex with myself? |
| 04:07.24 | garou | Okaaaay, I just messed up quite well by blindly following a tutorial without reading it completely first. In the process I did rm /usr/lib/libGL.* |
| 04:07.24 | Azar | :) |
| 04:07.26 | jim | PAT |
| 04:07.28 | abrotman | hbp: don't do that again |
| 04:07.31 | godling | Azar: Were you at the Debian booth? |
| 04:07.31 | hbp | =[ |
| 04:07.41 | garou | So, which package should contain the libGLs? |
| 04:07.42 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, </offtopic> |
| 04:07.48 | solidnail | PhrkOnLsh :) |
| 04:07.54 | ciphernaut | enouf. looks like libraw1394 is used to provide consistant interface to programs, but CONFIG_IEEE1394 was left unconfigured for this kernel. have seen why yet, changelog did not reveal |
| 04:07.56 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't get iwconfig wlan0 scanning to work AT ALL |
| 04:07.57 | godling | garou: Congratulations, you fail! |
| 04:08.03 | Azar | godling: yea, you were there? |
| 04:08.05 | jim | garou: ok, just reinstall the package it comes from |
| 04:08.06 | garou | godling: Epicly. |
| 04:08.10 | hbp | PhrkOnLsh, iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 04:08.24 | PhrkOnLsh | deblappy:~# iwlist wlan0 scanning |
| 04:08.24 | PhrkOnLsh | wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not permitted |
| 04:08.25 | godling | Azar: I stopped by but I didn't say hello to anyone because I don't know anyone. |
| 04:08.34 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: as root? |
| 04:08.39 | PhrkOnLsh | deblappy:~# iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 04:08.39 | PhrkOnLsh | wlan0 Failed to read scan data : Operation not permitted |
| 04:08.45 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm rooted, yes, of course :) |
| 04:08.47 | hbp | odd. |
| 04:08.55 | hbp | i dunno, im used to fedora |
| 04:08.56 | enouf | ciphernaut: hrm .. ok . let me see something here, i have debian's .22 source .. not sure which subversion though |
| 04:08.58 | Azar | I recognized some from pictures but did not remember the names |
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| 04:09.07 | jim | PhrkOnLsh: hmm. you have iptables rules in effect? |
| 04:09.42 | Nyle | jetscreamer: why did I let you talk me into removing my ignorelist |
| 04:09.42 | PhrkOnLsh | nope |
| 04:09.42 | Azar | so I was like: Im not going to ask them their names.. |
| 04:09.42 | intralanman | PhrkOnLsh, is wlan0 up? |
| 04:09.42 | godling | Azar: There was dondelelcaro and some guy with a beard |
| 04:09.42 | PhrkOnLsh | his system was just installed today |
| 04:09.42 | PhrkOnLsh | wlan0 is up |
| 04:09.42 | jetscreamer | Nyle: restore from backup? :) |
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| 04:09.50 | Nyle | jetscreamer: seriously just his existence .. bugs me. |
| 04:09.52 | godling | Azar: I only know it was dondelelcaro because I looked him up later after reading the topic |
| 04:09.53 | Nyle | ew. |
| 04:09.55 | jim | trust me... no one ever has a backup... |
| 04:10.03 | godling | pffft |
| 04:10.07 | jetscreamer | unless they needed a backup |
| 04:10.09 | Azar | godling: didn't see the one with the beard.. maybe RMS ? |
| 04:10.11 | jetscreamer | and didn't have it |
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| 04:10.16 | PhrkOnLsh | be right back... |
| 04:10.18 | godling | backups are for *responsible* users. |
| 04:10.22 | jetscreamer | i have like 3 backups.. or more |
| 04:10.33 | godling | No, it wasn't RMS. |
| 04:10.37 | godling | Was RMS even there? |
| 04:10.38 | jetscreamer | i've never needed them.. since i started having them |
| 04:10.39 | Nyle | I'm responsible |
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| 04:10.53 | Nyle | I've got ~/.irssi backups from last month |
| 04:10.58 | Nyle | 1 backup! not ups |
| 04:11.18 | ciphernaut | enouf, 2.6.22.11 + some mips fixes |
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| 04:11.30 | enouf | ciphernaut: darn .. this wont matter, as i likely configured it O_o , but anyways, i have CONFIG_IEEE1394_RAWIO=y and CONFIG_IEEE1394=y and CONFIG_IEEE1394_OHCI1394=y .. the other 5-6 or so, are not set |
| 04:11.44 | jetscreamer | that's what backups are for! to make you never need a backup! |
| 04:11.46 | Nyle | so, do any of you fine gents and possible ladies have any ideas regarding my xorg/dualhead config |
| 04:11.51 | Nyle | cafuego: daily? |
| 04:11.59 | jetscreamer | incremental i would imagine |
| 04:12.11 | jim | people come to channels like this and say "I just hozed my home dir! what can I do" to which I sometimes reply "restore from the backup you take daily" |
| 04:12.19 | enouf | ciphernaut: ohm are you on mips there? |
| 04:12.21 | PhrkOnLsh | hm, perhaps wlan0 isn't up! |
| 04:12.30 | Nyle | hopefully, but it depens on what he is backing up and other stuff etc. |
| 04:12.31 | PhrkOnLsh | deblappy:/home/rrix/rtl-wifi# ifup wlan0 |
| 04:12.31 | PhrkOnLsh | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
| 04:12.43 | jetscreamer | he's dead, jim.. |
| 04:12.46 | cafuego | Nyle: daily |
| 04:12.54 | cafuego | Nyle: rdiff-backup ftw |
| 04:13.04 | Nyle | indeed |
| 04:13.06 | ciphernaut | enouf, no. just mentioned it as it was in the changelog above the 2.6.22.11 note |
| 04:13.06 | jim | and trust me... no one has EVER said "oh, ok... done, whew" |
| 04:13.10 | intralanman | PhrkOnLsh, i thought that might be the case ;-) |
| 04:13.31 | ciphernaut | enouf, running on nocona in 32bit mode |
| 04:13.37 | jetscreamer | hey dude don't call me dude |
| 04:13.54 | mandude | jetscreamer: um.. I think its time to modify a factoid or two |
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| 04:14.07 | enouf | ciphernaut: ahh .. well my .22 source here came from linux-2.6.22.6.tar.bz2 |
| 04:14.11 | mandude | !fglrx |
| 04:14.12 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 04:14.19 | jetscreamer | time to put my head into the thoughtreducer |
| 04:14.35 | mandude | see.. I have testing/amd64, and I've got xorg 7.2 and fglrx latest, 8.45 somethign |
| 04:14.38 | mandude | working pretty good |
| 04:14.45 | jetscreamer | ooo is that what the transducer was? |
| 04:14.54 | mandude | umm.. dunno |
| 04:15.01 | godling | jim: I backed up yesterday |
| 04:15.01 | mandude | why am i using this nick wtf |
| 04:15.07 | Nyle | its dudeman |
| 04:15.08 | Nyle | not mandude |
| 04:15.15 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 04:15.15 | jim | guymandude |
| 04:15.25 | godling | jim: I'm saving the backup on a whole 'nother partition. :D |
| 04:15.26 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 04:15.26 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation methodSee also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 04:15.29 | abrotman | bettter ? |
| 04:15.37 | abrotman | bah .. close enough |
| 04:15.42 | jim | godling: that's better than nothing, that's for sure |
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| 04:15.53 | jetscreamer | you're as sensual as a pen-sule |
| 04:15.57 | xterm | hello every body! |
| 04:15.58 | garou | Okay, just so I can sleep well: I *should* use libgl1-mesa-glx even for accelerated 3D? |
| 04:16.00 | Nyle | abrotman: ty |
| 04:16.04 | enouf | mandude, lol |
| 04:16.13 | mandude | hi! |
| 04:16.14 | mandude | :D |
| 04:16.21 | enouf | hehe |
| 04:16.27 | jetscreamer | i like mandude better than dudeman |
| 04:16.28 | xterm | can some body help me? |
| 04:16.29 | jetscreamer | fwiw |
| 04:16.31 | mandude | really |
| 04:16.33 | mandude | cool |
| 04:16.34 | mandude | word |
| 04:16.37 | deadcat | i dont have /proc/kallsyms is that good or bad? |
| 04:16.38 | jim | !ask |
| 04:16.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:17.04 | xterm | I have a problem with my USB-case |
| 04:17.10 | xterm | I'm using Debian Lenny |
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| 04:17.28 | xterm | This is the output of dmesg when I plug the case |
| 04:17.32 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 04:17.42 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> 4.0r2 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 04:17.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:17.46 | enouf | deadcat: whatever. a fix is in the works .. maybe even in the pipe already |
| 04:17.54 | xterm | http://pastebin.ca/899492 |
| 04:18.31 | jetscreamer | deadcat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 a modification of the exploit that finds the address of sys_vmsplice in the kernel (using /proc/kallsyms) and replaces the first byte with a RET instruction (using mmap of /dev/kmem) is available at... |
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| 04:18.36 | mandude | I may seem like a noob with this question, but why is file compression (percievably) faster on AMD64 than it on i386? |
| 04:18.44 | godling | "I'm having problems with my new laptop, mostly with my touchpad and my wifi adapter. I'm running Debian version 2.6.22-3-amd64. When I try to connect to my wireless network using WPA, my computer sends me flying across the room to slam against the wall and crumple on the floor. I expected it to work." |
| 04:18.59 | jetscreamer | why is compressing shit faster on a 64bit cpu? |
| 04:18.59 | godling | mandude: kinetics |
| 04:19.13 | mandude | jetscreamer: yes |
| 04:19.14 | Azar | man, did you see that $15 laptop with Debian Etch? I KNOWW!! fantastic |
| 04:19.15 | mandude | why? |
| 04:19.20 | jetscreamer | because |
| 04:19.21 | deadcat | enouf: ya. i am not using debian kernel. |
| 04:19.28 | jim | godling: the obvious answer is get out of your computer's way! |
| 04:19.33 | xterm | So, what can I do ? |
| 04:19.33 | deadcat | jetscreamer: that dont mean much to a non-programmer |
| 04:19.35 | enouf | deadcat: aren't you glad you use FOSS? instead of that stuff from Redmond? you'd have to wait for them to do something about it - sometimes for decades |
| 04:19.47 | jim | xterm: why is it disconnecting? |
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| 04:19.50 | godling | mandude: Are you asking what the difference between a 64-bit cpu and a 32-bit cpu is? |
| 04:19.50 | ciphernaut | enouf, mines 2.6.33-3 , changelog states includes 2.6.22.11 ... did yours (linux-image-2.6.22-6*) provide raw1394 ? |
| 04:20.02 | godling | mandude: wikipedia it for a better understanding |
| 04:20.03 | mandude | godling: absolutely not |
| 04:20.06 | jetscreamer | deadcat: i was just showing you the allsyms coincidence |
| 04:20.08 | deadcat | enouf: thats why i run linux |
| 04:20.09 | xterm | jim: I don't know |
| 04:20.13 | Azar | 64MB of Ram !! |
| 04:20.25 | jim | you're not pulling the plug after are you? |
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| 04:20.31 | jetscreamer | raw1394 has been in the kernel for quite a while afaicr |
| 04:20.36 | mandude | godling: which is why I said that it may just be my perception |
| 04:20.42 | enouf | ciphernaut: i said i have the debian source, which i compiled, not the linux-image-xxx .. sorry if you misunderstood |
| 04:20.43 | jetscreamer | i never use it but i've seen it enough to remember |
| 04:20.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i think it got broken in one of the kernels |
| 04:20.46 | xterm | Nop, I only plug the case and that's all |
| 04:20.49 | Jygzygyzel | how do i tar silently? |
| 04:20.53 | xterm | I't doesn't work |
| 04:20.54 | deadcat | jetscreamer: when i run the code on my server i get: [+] root |
| 04:20.54 | deadcat | Could not open /proc/kallsyms: No such file or directory |
| 04:21.04 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: man tar |
| 04:21.09 | jim | turn off the tar mixer first |
| 04:21.13 | xterm | jum: Do you want to see /var/log/messages ??? |
| 04:21.13 | Jygzygyzel | abrotman and / what? |
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| 04:21.19 | abrotman | jetscreamer: TimRiker was complaining in #-devel |
| 04:21.21 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: man tar |
| 04:21.23 | Supaplex | Nyle: you'd have to run trials with 'time' and compare /proc/cpuinfo bogomips |
| 04:21.24 | jetscreamer | man tar should tell you |
| 04:21.24 | jim | watch out... liquid tar is very hot |
| 04:21.29 | godling | Jygzygyzel: you can always pipe the output to /dev/null |
| 04:21.29 | Jygzygyzel | abrotman and / what |
| 04:21.35 | xterm | jim: Do you want to see /var/log/messages ??? |
| 04:21.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: something like they changed the interface or something |
| 04:21.48 | jim | xterm: is it the same? |
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| 04:21.56 | jim | or is it more detailed? or what? |
| 04:22.08 | Jygzygyzel | godling but i don't remember was it > or < |
| 04:22.20 | echosystm | hi guys, im thinking about trying debian but i am a bit of a linux noob. are the madwifi packages installed automatically? |
| 04:22.20 | godling | Jygzygyzel: > |
| 04:22.27 | echosystm | what about alsa? |
| 04:22.29 | abrotman | echosystm: no |
| 04:22.34 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 04:22.34 | dpkg | methinks madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 04:22.45 | jim | echosystm: why you thinking debian? |
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| 04:23.02 | echosystm | ubuntu 7.10 has an anoying problem with my videocard |
| 04:23.08 | damog | Nyle: !!! |
| 04:23.18 | xterm | jim : more or less |
| 04:23.24 | Nyle | !seen damog |
| 04:23.24 | dpkg | damog <n=damog@debian/developer/damog> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16s ago, saying: 'Nyle: !!!'. |
| 04:23.26 | jetscreamer | echosystm: so? |
| 04:23.28 | jetscreamer | and? |
| 04:23.30 | echosystm | when i exit fluxbox, it cannot get back to tty |
| 04:23.34 | Nyle | um... where'd he go? |
| 04:23.40 | echosystm | debian doesnt have this problem afaik |
| 04:23.59 | jim | * damog has quit ("Leaving") |
| 04:24.04 | jetscreamer | it probably does, ubuntu is just a clone |
| 04:24.07 | Malf | echosystm: can't get back like you end up at a blank screen? |
| 04:24.07 | echosystm | someone inbuilt something into the kernel in 7.10 that they werent meant to |
| 04:24.08 | jim | other than that dunno :) |
| 04:24.13 | jetscreamer | but we maybe fixed it |
| 04:24.17 | echosystm | yes, thats the problem malf |
| 04:24.20 | Malf | echosystm: nice |
| 04:24.23 | PhrkOnLsh | returned sorry |
| 04:24.32 | PhrkOnLsh | intralanman: what can I do to get it up then? |
| 04:24.36 | echosystm | does this happen in debian too Malf? |
| 04:24.54 | jim | xterm: is wireless your only choice? |
| 04:25.17 | jim | is madweefee in latest etch netinstall? |
| 04:25.23 | Malf | echosystm: It's possible I suppose. You'd probably have to try it out to be sure or find someone else with an identical setup. If it was a problem with an ubuntu specific kernel then maybe you're in the clear. |
| 04:25.45 | jim | can you do wired temporarily? |
| 04:25.54 | cafuego | jim: Doubtful, as it was not free-as-in-speech last I checked. |
| 04:25.58 | xterm | jim : This problem is probably because de case is (USB 2.0) and I don't have any USB2.0 ??? |
| 04:26.05 | echosystm | alternatively i guess i an just go back to 7.04 heh |
| 04:26.25 | jim | well it negotiates the connection speed |
| 04:26.39 | Malf | I'm all for people joining up with the debian crowd but if it's as simple as moving back versions that might not be the worst choice |
| 04:26.41 | ciphernaut | thanks again enouf |
| 04:26.43 | enouf | ciphernaut: maybe have a look at http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges#head-802c8a49567d5c9d1fc8bdc3205a96e2ac5200fc |
| 04:26.50 | enouf | sure, np |
| 04:26.54 | jim | echosystm: one thing you could try is debootstrap |
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| 04:27.21 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48900 <-- my xorg.conf If anyone can shed some light on why this is happenin. my combined resolution is 2560x1024@60, while I want one monitor to have 1600x1200 and the other to have 1280x1024 while keeping their individual refresh rates |
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| 04:27.25 | jim | hmm, that's right, I want to try a ubuntu just to see it install |
| 04:27.57 | jetscreamer | Nyle: are you asking just as hard in #ati ? |
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| 04:28.06 | Nyle | jetscreamer: mhmm |
| 04:28.13 | jetscreamer | seems to me they might have more of a tendency to be able to answer |
| 04:28.21 | jim | Nyle: framebuffers for each display won't work? |
| 04:28.21 | Nyle | actually you know what |
| 04:28.26 | Nyle | fuck ATI out of it |
| 04:28.28 | Nyle | hang on a sec |
| 04:28.32 | Nyle | brb....................... |
| 04:28.42 | jetscreamer | masochists love ati |
| 04:28.47 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 04:29.01 | jim | amd released full chipset specs tho |
| 04:29.01 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, wlan0 is up but there are still no scan results |
| 04:29.49 | Malf | Nyle: Is that really the right xorg.conf you pasted? It's showing 1280x1024 for both screens. |
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| 04:30.37 | Nyle | hang on guys |
| 04:30.41 | Nyle | uno momento |
| 04:30.41 | enouf | anyone else habing trouble with this link? http://wiki.linux1394.org/ |
| 04:31.21 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:32.49 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48901 <-- my xorg.conf If anyone can shed some light on why I can't get a combined desktop resolution. I want one monitor to have 1600x1200 and the other to have 1280x1024 while keeping their individual refresh rates, yet giving me 1600x1200 total desktop space, however, with no deadspace on the second smaller res. monitor |
| 04:33.05 | Nyle | I know I have had this exact same configration at some point in the past, I just can't figure out how to do it again |
| 04:33.14 | Nyle | right now, all I get is a cloned desktop on the 2nd monitor |
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| 04:33.25 | Nyle | with or without xinerama on/off whatever |
| 04:33.39 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: some helpful docs? http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=iwconfig&fullsearch=Text |
| 04:33.43 | Nyle | pretend its not even an ATI card, it could be anything |
| 04:33.51 | Nyle | I'm using vesa, not fglrx |
| 04:33.58 | jetscreamer | Nyle: BusID "PCI:1:0:0" |
| 04:33.59 | Nyle | whew. /me rests |
| 04:34.00 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 04:34.02 | jetscreamer | that's agp |
| 04:34.10 | Malf | Nyle: I still find the fact that both screens say 1280x1024 as the only mode confusing. Are you expecting it to generate the right thing for you? |
| 04:34.16 | Nyle | Nyle: dpkg-reconfigure did it |
| 04:34.19 | jetscreamer | and, what malf said |
| 04:34.27 | Nyle | Malf: I'm sorry? |
| 04:34.30 | jetscreamer | Nyle: fix it |
| 04:34.32 | jetscreamer | it's wrong |
| 04:34.35 | jetscreamer | comment it out |
| 04:34.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: oh shit |
| 04:34.42 | Malf | Nyle: Both screens say 1280x1024 in the config |
| 04:34.43 | Nyle | Malf: oops |
| 04:34.45 | Nyle | hang on |
| 04:34.47 | Nyle | brain fart |
| 04:34.47 | Nyle | brb |
| 04:34.49 | Nyle | again |
| 04:34.49 | Malf | hah |
| 04:34.50 | jetscreamer | and, what malf said |
| 04:35.07 | PhrkOnLsh | thks, enouf, lemme see |
| 04:35.24 | xterm | How Can I Know if I have some USB2.0 port? |
| 04:35.52 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: big guess, but do you need the wpasupplicant pkg for whatever you're doing? |
| 04:35.54 | Nyle | ok |
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| 04:36.04 | Malf | xterm: when I run lspci my USB ports all tell me if they're 1.1 or 2.0 so you can give that a shot |
| 04:36.28 | jetscreamer | xterm: lsmod | grep -i ehci iirc |
| 04:36.31 | echosystm | i would like to try debian regardless, just for fun :P |
| 04:36.32 | enouf | $ apt-cache show wpasupplicant PhrkOnLsh |
| 04:36.34 | Nyle | so I have now specified the Dell monitor, which can do 1600x1200, to do it, but now I have still, the same res on both monitors, and a clone, not a dual head sretcy wide desktop |
| 04:36.38 | Nyle | you know |
| 04:36.42 | Nyle | Malf: ^^ |
| 04:36.43 | echosystm | does it autoconfigure alsa though? |
| 04:36.48 | echosystm | that is one thing i dont want to try |
| 04:36.53 | jetscreamer | usually |
| 04:36.57 | echosystm | cool |
| 04:37.03 | Nyle | if I use xorg.conf with only the dell monitor in use, I can get 1600x1200 |
| 04:37.04 | jim | echosystm: you don't want to try alsa? |
| 04:37.08 | Malf | Nyle: Yeah I've never done anything with dual monitors really. Just saw that and found it odd. |
| 04:37.10 | jetscreamer | it usally helps if you explicitly install alsa-utils though echosystm |
| 04:37.12 | jim | you don't want to try autoconfigging? |
| 04:37.14 | jim | what? |
| 04:37.20 | echosystm | no, i dont want to try configuring it myself |
| 04:37.22 | echosystm | lol |
| 04:37.23 | jetscreamer | he doesn't want to try manually |
| 04:37.34 | Nyle | so any help |
| 04:37.41 | Nyle | any dual headers |
| 04:37.44 | xterm | Malf: I get something like this: 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Contoller #4 (rev 02) |
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| 04:38.02 | Malf | xterm: UHCI is USB 1 I'm pretty sure |
| 04:38.04 | PhrkOnLsh | enouf, this is an unecrypted network |
| 04:38.05 | jim | yeah, usually it configures itself |
| 04:38.10 | Malf | xterm: And then EHCI is 2 |
| 04:38.12 | Nyle | hmm |
| 04:38.15 | jim | what chipset is your sound |
| 04:38.17 | enouf | ok |
| 04:38.57 | Malf | I should totally figure out which ports of mine are usb 2 and which are usb 1... |
| 04:38.57 | xterm | Malf: But I get the modules usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd up =S |
| 04:39.02 | enouf | ehci/ohci are 2.0 |
| 04:39.18 | jetscreamer | u&o hci are 1 and 1.1 |
| 04:39.18 | enouf | though ohci in early forms were 1.1 |
| 04:39.25 | jetscreamer | ehci is 2 |
| 04:39.37 | Nyle | is it possible to somehow setup my system so that, when I type startx, the mitsubishi monitor fetches my laptop through XDMCP, and my dell monitor shows the local xclients on the server, my local desktop, and I can just switch my mouse from monitor to monitor with keyboard too |
| 04:39.42 | jetscreamer | or i could be worng now |
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| 04:39.47 | echosystm | whoa, do i need all 10 debian cds?! :| |
| 04:39.54 | Nyle | echosystm: no |
| 04:39.59 | nevyn | echosystm: almost certainly not |
| 04:40.00 | echosystm | just get the first one? |
| 04:40.14 | jetscreamer | echosystm: get a netinstall if you can |
| 04:40.15 | nevyn | you don't even need the first one nessicarilly |
| 04:40.18 | jetscreamer | or a businesscard |
| 04:40.30 | simonrvn | echosystm: no. #1 |
| 04:40.30 | simonrvn | stpud lag |
| 04:40.33 | jetscreamer | if you are going to have net |
| 04:40.38 | Nyle | the fastest way to install a debian system imo is to get cd1 or the netinst cd iso, and get the hd-media kernel/initrd and boot em if you have an existing os and thats it |
| 04:40.44 | simonrvn | *SIGH* |
| 04:40.48 | Nyle | if you burn it, cds get read slower than mounted isos on hd |
| 04:40.49 | Nyle | so... |
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| 04:40.57 | simonrvn | /quit brb... |
| 04:40.59 | jetscreamer | !comfort simonrvn |
| 04:40.59 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:41.03 | xterm | jetscreamer: So ... My ports are only USB 1.0 or 1.1 or 2.0 ? xD, I have the 3 modules Up |
| 04:41.03 | Nyle | damn man |
| 04:41.07 | Nyle | doesn't anyone use dualhead? |
| 04:41.32 | jetscreamer | xterm: usually the 1 and 1.1 are the same port, but yeah both modules get loaded |
| 04:41.38 | echosystm | i only have wireless internet |
| 04:41.57 | echosystm | so, whatever i download has to have the madwifi stuff on it |
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| 04:42.04 | jetscreamer | xterm: my knowlege is at least 6 months old, enouf might know more recent stuff... we seem to disagree slightly |
| 04:42.09 | echosystm | will that be a problem? |
| 04:42.22 | jetscreamer | echosystm: might be |
| 04:42.24 | jetscreamer | might not |
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| 04:42.34 | jetscreamer | it has a tendency to be, though |
| 04:42.38 | echosystm | lol |
| 04:42.45 | jim | echosystm: possibly... there is no other possibility (no usb? no wired eth?) |
| 04:42.52 | echosystm | nope |
| 04:43.16 | echosystm | maybe i should just stay on ubuntu 7.10 and use xdm |
| 04:43.19 | jim | if I were you I'd use debootstrap |
| 04:43.20 | jetscreamer | get cd#1 or dvd#1 t be safe imo then.. or do the research and make sure you're supported |
| 04:43.22 | echosystm | probably the wise decision |
| 04:43.32 | jetscreamer | use kdm |
| 04:43.42 | jetscreamer | instead of gdm if gdm is a problem |
| 04:43.45 | jetscreamer | xdm functions |
| 04:43.49 | jetscreamer | there are others |
| 04:43.58 | echosystm | isnt xdm the lightest? |
| 04:44.03 | simonrvn | kdm always crashes on me. i login, then poof the xserver goes and crashes |
| 04:44.03 | jim | maybe |
| 04:44.04 | jetscreamer | eh... |
| 04:44.08 | xterm | jetscreamer: I have some troubles with a case (Device to connect a HD by USB to the computer) and It's says that works with USB2.0, And I don't have any port USB2.0 , what can I do ??? The Device doesn't work |
| 04:44.16 | simonrvn | echosystm: sure is, there's wdm too |
| 04:44.21 | Malf | echosystm: It's definitely the ugliest by default. Hence my running it. |
| 04:44.35 | jetscreamer | if the device is 2.0 and you only have 1.1 ports you need to buy an addin usb card |
| 04:44.38 | jim | simonrvn: that sounds like a config problem emanating from your home dir |
| 04:44.45 | jetscreamer | 10-20 bucks usually |
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| 04:44.47 | simonrvn | you can always edit the resources to colour it, etc. |
| 04:44.49 | jetscreamer | you can pay more though |
| 04:44.55 | echosystm | i have no problem with ugly |
| 04:44.59 | echosystm | ugly makes me feel leet |
| 04:44.59 | Malf | yeah I did edit it once |
| 04:45.00 | echosystm | D: |
| 04:45.10 | echosystm | alrighty, thanks guys |
| 04:45.11 | Malf | but then let an update overwrite the file one day without thinking about it |
| 04:45.14 | Malf | and I've been too lazy since |
| 04:45.15 | jetscreamer | xdm isn't ugly, how dare you! it's fugly |
| 04:45.18 | Malf | hah |
| 04:45.19 | Malf | true |
| 04:45.24 | Malf | I love the huge grey box |
| 04:45.26 | Malf | so sweet |
| 04:45.28 | jim | echosystm: look into debootstrap |
| 04:45.38 | jetscreamer | xdm has it's own language even |
| 04:45.43 | simonrvn | jim: i very much doubt it |
| 04:45.47 | jim | if you have enough storage for an additional debian |
| 04:46.10 | godling | in my xorg.conf file, I have SHMConfig set to on, but when I use synclient -l I still get asked if SHMConfig is on. |
| 04:46.23 | jim | simonrvn: it's possible to simply prove that... add a new user, don't put anything extra, log in as that user |
| 04:46.45 | simonrvn | of course there is, but i don't want to do that right now ;) |
| 04:46.48 | jim | then let it populate your home dir with initial config, log in again |
| 04:47.06 | jim | then the test is: |
| 04:47.18 | jim | does the new user also fail in the same way? |
| 04:47.38 | jetscreamer | echosystm: why not just lose all the *dm's and use atartx |
| 04:47.43 | jetscreamer | err startx |
| 04:47.51 | Nyle | hey man |
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| 04:48.03 | jim | if yes, the problem is not emanating from your home dir... if, on the other hand, the new user works, then the problem is your user config |
| 04:48.05 | jetscreamer | go away leave me alone you got to ... |
| 04:48.08 | jetscreamer | hey man |
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| 04:48.44 | echosystm | thats the problem jetscreamer, once i close x i get a black screen |
| 04:48.49 | echosystm | its a problem of ubuntu 7.10 |
| 04:48.51 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48902 <-- xorg.conf, all I get is a cloned desktop on 2nd monitor, how can I get combined desktop? |
| 04:49.09 | jetscreamer | ahhh... that bug |
| 04:49.12 | jetscreamer | i remember now |
| 04:49.12 | Nyle | fuck the resolution part, i'll worry about it later, I just wanna get dualhead to work properly |
| 04:49.18 | Malf | heh |
| 04:49.27 | jetscreamer | echosystm: try setting vga=normal instead of the default |
| 04:49.32 | jetscreamer | worked for me iirc |
| 04:49.36 | jim | echosystm: care to test a minimal debian to see if you can get the wireless going, without rebooting into a different installer? |
| 04:50.43 | jim | you could actually try to install a minimal debian, get it to boot, install madwifi... all from within your present ubuntu install |
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| 04:51.02 | echosystm | im not good enough to do things like that haha |
| 04:51.05 | Nyle | I did that like two nights ago |
| 04:51.10 | Nyle | I didn't know jack shit about how to do it |
| 04:51.11 | echosystm | i'll just stick with xdm for now :) |
| 04:51.13 | echosystm | its no biggy |
| 04:51.17 | Nyle | I read the install guide and asked questions here |
| 04:51.24 | jim | echosystm: how do you know that |
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| 04:51.39 | Nyle | so dudes |
| 04:51.49 | Nyle | whas kickin |
| 04:51.54 | jim | I gave you my idea :P |
| 04:51.57 | echosystm | because every time i do something in linux, it ends in tears |
| 04:51.59 | echosystm | lol |
| 04:52.10 | deadcat | poor bastard (= |
| 04:52.10 | jim | oh, why you using linux then? :) |
| 04:52.11 | Nyle | patience young grasshopper |
| 04:52.14 | echosystm | i'm just gonna stick to what i know :P |
| 04:52.21 | godling | any ideas about the SHMConfig thing? |
| 04:52.29 | Nyle | echosystm: when on the gutiar, I always practice things I can't do well... |
| 04:52.42 | godling | echosystm: Sticking to what you know means that you don't get to know anything new. |
| 04:52.43 | Nyle | echosystm: on linux, I try to do things I don't know about, which is the only way to learn. |
| 04:52.52 | echosystm | i'd rather do it in a virtualbox Nyle, rather than the computer that is sharing my internet haha |
| 04:53.02 | Nyle | echosystm: great idea |
| 04:53.15 | jetscreamer | seriously, setting vga=normal probably fixes that ubuntu black screen bug |
| 04:53.19 | Nyle | jim: #music |
| 04:53.24 | Nyle | if you will |
| 04:53.47 | Nyle | jim: c'mon now |
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| 04:54.24 | xterm | jetscreamer: the problem was solved =) . I only change the jumper to Master |
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| 04:54.27 | Nyle | jim: ping |
| 04:54.28 | xterm | thanks |
| 04:54.38 | jim | guh :) |
| 04:54.46 | ravenxbishop | anyone know if i have a driver .pkg file for osx, if i can port that driver to debian (non osx) ... or any other linux distro |
| 04:54.49 | Nyle | jim: go there |
| 04:54.58 | jim | I'm already somewhere :) |
| 04:55.00 | jetscreamer | xterm: i missed that problem, but yeah i've had boxes that didn't like cable select |
| 04:55.10 | Nyle | where? |
| 04:55.16 | jim | somewhere! |
| 04:55.17 | jetscreamer | or actually it might have been the hd's theirselves |
| 04:55.18 | Nyle | jim: go to #music |
| 04:55.20 | Nyle | damnit |
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| 04:55.33 | Nyle | just go there ffs man whats so hard in typing /join #music |
| 04:55.34 | ravenxbishop | jet: typically its the hard drive isnt set right for the cable |
| 04:55.39 | Nyle | nit? |
| 04:55.52 | Nyle | alright fine. |
| 04:55.56 | Nyle | jim: so you play guitar? |
| 04:56.00 | jim | bass |
| 04:56.03 | Nyle | cool |
| 04:56.07 | Nyle | what kinda guitar you got? |
| 04:56.08 | ravenxbishop | i build guitars |
| 04:56.14 | Nyle | (note that we can talk about this in #music) |
| 04:56.23 | jim | novax |
| 04:56.23 | Nyle | but no... you stubborn bastidge |
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| 04:56.46 | MrNfector | quick question for somebody, haven't gotten a conclusive answer from google yet.... in /etc/network/interfaces, if the interface doesn't have "auto eth0" but instead has "allow-hotplug eth0" will the interface start at boot? |
| 04:56.55 | jetscreamer | novax... /me googles |
| 04:56.57 | enouf | jetscreamer: just a fyi; usb is backwards compatible, a 2.0 capable device will (should) just operate at the slower 1.1 speed if that's all that's available |
| 04:56.59 | jim | nonono, it's "bbbbutttttt NooooOOOOOOooooo" |
| 04:57.06 | ravenxbishop | **anyone know if i can port a .pkg file driver to debian... or any other linux distro |
| 04:57.11 | Nyle | bass sucks anyway |
| 04:57.21 | Nyle | no real talent involved in playing bass |
| 04:57.22 | jetscreamer | what is .pkg |
| 04:57.28 | jim | mmhmm |
| 04:57.38 | ravenxbishop | .pkg is a mac osx package file |
| 04:57.39 | jetscreamer | i like geddy lee |
| 04:57.41 | Nyle | j/k man |
| 04:57.46 | Nyle | I got a fender bass |
| 04:57.52 | jim | why? |
| 04:57.59 | Nyle | cuz fender rulez0rz |
| 04:58.02 | jetscreamer | ravenxbishop: you might look at alien.. it does rpm though afaik only |
| 04:58.19 | ravenxbishop | tell jetscreamer wot? |
| 04:58.25 | jetscreamer | !info alien |
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| 04:58.31 | ravenxbishop | !info alien |
| 04:58.32 | jim | does it have that phase dip at Db on the G string like most fenders? |
| 04:58.37 | jetscreamer | wait for it... |
| 04:58.41 | Nyle | jim: #music |
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| 04:58.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg you're slow |
| 04:58.47 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 04:58.55 | Nyle | offtopic here. |
| 04:58.55 | ravenxbishop | !info alien |
| 04:58.56 | dpkg | alien: (convert and install rpm and other packages), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.69 (sid), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
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| 04:59.05 | jetscreamer | hence the 'wait for it' |
| 04:59.29 | jim | you started it :P but I'm happy to shut up about it |
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| 05:00.02 | Nyle | interspecies_feces |
| 05:00.07 | ravenxbishop | jet: and alien converts from osx? |
| 05:00.12 | Nyle | maybe that will be my new band name |
| 05:00.13 | jetscreamer | nobody who was ever any good playd a fender.... |
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| 05:00.21 | jetscreamer | (yes that was a LIE) |
| 05:00.22 | Nyle | jetscreamer: excuse me? |
| 05:00.32 | Nyle | thats what I thought. |
| 05:00.36 | jetscreamer | ravenxbishop: that's why i said you might look at it.. not sure it does that format |
| 05:00.44 | jetscreamer | might.. might not |
| 05:00.52 | Nyle | can anyone help me get dual head to work |
| 05:00.52 | dbmoodb | hello how is the patch to the local root exploit coming along ? |
| 05:01.00 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 05:01.00 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 05:01.08 | Nyle | !jetscreamer |
| 05:01.08 | dpkg | jetscreamer is not to be fucked with. |
| 05:01.12 | Nyle | oh |
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| 05:01.14 | Nyle | damn. |
| 05:01.25 | echosystm | actually, i think i will try debian :P |
| 05:01.27 | jetscreamer | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 dbmoodb |
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| 05:01.55 | deadcat | jetscreamer: want to check out my bike? (= |
| 05:01.55 | dbmoodb | -saw there is a workaround atm - any news about a patch tho ? |
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| 05:02.20 | jim | echosystm: you do want to try to do it while keeping your network going right? |
| 05:02.20 | echosystm | my isp has the dvds mirrored, but they are 300mb each |
| 05:02.25 | echosystm | "interesting" |
| 05:02.36 | jim | that small? |
| 05:02.44 | jim | those are half the size of cds |
| 05:02.46 | deadcat | dbmoodb: what work around? |
| 05:02.47 | jetscreamer | that's like not right |
| 05:02.47 | dbmoodb | oh and i'm not used to ogg and stuff anyone know if it is worth using ogg at 128 to rip a cd of my music ? (used to use aac 192kb/s for my ipod but thinking of ripping both this time) |
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| 05:03.11 | dbmoodb | sorry i meant - any news of when this will hit the official debian repos |
| 05:03.15 | VampirePenguin | anyone know of any bugs in bcrypt.. i used the bcrypt -orc file and its not supposed to delete the original but it wiped it out and the file it was supposed to have generated... there was some strange code at the end of the encrypting in the terminal |
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| 05:03.51 | jim | echosystm: you don't need any CDs if you have the space |
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| 05:04.43 | MrNfector | anybody have an idea if "allow-hotplug eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces will start eth0 on boot? I'm about to reboot a remote server and I'd like to make sure I connect again afterwards. =p |
| 05:05.01 | jetscreamer | MrNfector: i know for a fact that sometimes it WON'T |
| 05:05.15 | MrNfector | so I should use "auto eth0" instead? |
| 05:05.17 | jetscreamer | MrNfector: i always comment that out and put auto eth0 |
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| 05:05.39 | jim | MrNfector: your remote has serial console you can ssh to? |
| 05:05.49 | MrNfector | no, unfortunately |
| 05:06.00 | jim | could you arrange to get that? |
| 05:06.09 | wols_ | use auto, it's safer |
| 05:06.09 | enouf | do you even have an idea of what allow-hotplug is used for? |
| 05:06.12 | MrNfector | just a budget server I'm playing with |
| 05:06.16 | jetscreamer | every time i install debian, eth0 comes up once after i reboot. then never again until i edit the file. |
| 05:06.19 | wols_ | and always have a backup plan for such a remote server |
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| 05:06.52 | MrNfector | closest to a remote serial I can manage is instructions at the end of a reboot ticket, hehe |
| 05:06.55 | jim | that serial console idea is lookin better and better :P |
| 05:06.56 | jetscreamer | i was told once what allow-hotplug does, when i was trying to figure out my problem |
| 05:07.07 | jetscreamer | i forgot.. |
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| 05:07.21 | MrNfector | jim: KVM over IP is nice. =p |
| 05:07.33 | MrNfector | unfortunately I don't have that on this server |
| 05:07.48 | jim | you don't need kvm, just a plain serial console |
| 05:07.52 | ftp3 | is there a patch that does not freeze machines? (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953) |
| 05:08.07 | enouf | it's meant for craptops (basically), that connect and disconnect often .. where you actually pull out the cable |
| 05:08.32 | enouf | hence; hotplug |
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| 05:09.03 | jim | hotplug is related to udev? |
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| 05:09.18 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:09.29 | jetscreamer | funny how i hate them both |
| 05:09.34 | enouf | sure, udev handles the module loading and /dev/ creation aspect of it |
| 05:09.57 | MrNfector | I would think hotplug would be more for wifi or connections that don't always need to be on, I have no idea what use it would have on a server. |
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| 05:10.29 | jetscreamer | auto eth0 'just works'(TM) |
| 05:10.30 | jim | say you put in a new device |
| 05:10.41 | jim | assuming the driver is present |
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| 05:11.11 | jetscreamer | now we're talking about hotswapping, eh? |
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| 05:11.26 | enouf | MrNfector: yep, but think about it, what cable does wifi use? (though it can certainly be used that way) .. but why on a Server? |
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| 05:12.54 | aFlag | hm, I have that allow-hotplug as well. What does it do? interfaces manpage doesn't describe it |
| 05:13.02 | MrNfector | enouf: I wasn't thinking of wifi as using a cable, just that it may or may not be on depending on where you are |
| 05:13.25 | enouf | MrNfector: but without a cable, what's getting hotplugged? |
| 05:13.36 | MrNfector | enouf: good point |
| 05:13.41 | jim | Stepanie Seymour |
| 05:13.51 | enouf | ifup/ifdown are nice ;-) |
| 05:14.03 | jetscreamer | the pci card maybe |
| 05:14.03 | enouf | inout/out/in too ;) |
| 05:14.18 | enouf | pcmcia .. hence 'cable' |
| 05:14.34 | enouf | of the sort i mean ;-) |
| 05:14.45 | enouf | layer 2, iirc? |
| 05:15.05 | enouf | or is it 1 .. i know nothing, leave me be |
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| 05:27.01 | Nyle | hey |
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| 05:27.16 | Nyle | there are a lot of packages named mysql-common{a} oss-compat{a} etc etc... why is the {a} there? |
| 05:27.24 | Nyle | I never saw it before on any debian |
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| 05:28.14 | mosno | Nyle: i think that's just aptitude auto-inst flag |
| 05:28.54 | rootard | Anyone know if there are immediate plans to get rid of the vmsplice exploit in debian packages? |
| 05:28.57 | Nyle | oh |
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| 05:32.54 | Nyle | in xorg.conf how do you specify the resolution, like 800x600@60 or 800x600@80Hz (do you need to add the Hz) part? |
| 05:32.58 | Nyle | does that matter? |
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| 05:33.11 | simonrvn | Nyle: those are just the A packages displayed in the ncurses view |
| 05:33.28 | MrNfector | cool, "auto eth0" works just fine. Weird that they configured it with "allow-hotplug" if it doesn't always work. |
| 05:33.38 | simonrvn | only if you have modelines named that way |
| 05:33.55 | Nyle | I find that I have no modelines |
| 05:33.58 | simonrvn | otherwise stick to "800x600" etc. |
| 05:34.03 | Nyle | but how do you specify it though |
| 05:34.10 | Nyle | but I Want to specify a specific refresh rate |
| 05:34.12 | simonrvn | like i just did |
| 05:34.16 | Nyle | I can't stand that it defaults to 60 |
| 05:34.28 | simonrvn | then you set it in the right place |
| 05:34.36 | Nyle | where would that be? |
| 05:34.49 | simonrvn | scroll up in your file you'll see it |
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| 05:35.06 | Nyle | just tell me |
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| 05:35.30 | simonrvn | that means if i have to go look... gimme a sec |
| 05:35.44 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48901 |
| 05:35.49 | Nyle | here click it |
| 05:35.50 | simonrvn | device section |
| 05:35.54 | Nyle | i'll make it easy for you to help me |
| 05:35.57 | Nyle | in the device section? |
| 05:36.01 | simonrvn | er no, monitor |
| 05:36.06 | Nyle | yes its there |
| 05:36.12 | Nyle | but do you add the Hz part or not? |
| 05:36.22 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:36.27 | Nyle | thank you! |
| 05:36.33 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 05:37.01 | Nyle | I thought you meant actual modeline modelines so I said no, I don't |
| 05:37.04 | abrocadabro | I am trying to install jabberd2 and got this error "C2S : sx (ssl.c:238) openssl error: error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol", googled but didn't find a solution, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:37.07 | Nyle | but I do have the Modes "" lines |
| 05:37.08 | Nyle | heh |
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| 05:37.50 | simonrvn | Nyle: you can also specify a range |
| 05:38.28 | simonrvn | e.g. \t\tHorizSync 28-57\n\t\tVertRefesh 43-60 |
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| 05:39.23 | simonrvn | abrocadabro: problem with your ssl cert; permissions to read, or improperly configured in the daemon (e.g. wrong file) |
| 05:39.54 | PhrkOnLsh | what is wpa_supplicant? |
| 05:40.15 | abrocadabro | simonrvn: will check the permissions now |
| 05:40.26 | simonrvn | PhrkOnLsh: apt-cache show blah |
| 05:40.32 | abrocadabro | simonrvn: what permissions is ideal? |
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| 05:40.52 | simonrvn | not too loose and not so tight the daemon can't read it |
| 05:41.24 | simonrvn | the public pem is ok, that can be wrold-readable, but the key has to be as tight as possible |
| 05:41.30 | simonrvn | world* |
| 05:41.50 | simonrvn | and if you have both key and cert together in the same file, then as tight as possible |
| 05:42.40 | simonrvn | it's good to know the run-time user/group of the daemon, so you can just set the ownership properly |
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| 05:45.37 | PhrkOnLsh | i cannot get wpa_supplicant to work :( |
| 05:45.49 | PhrkOnLsh | no wlan thing i try will work! |
| 05:45.49 | needhelp | i have a 3ware raid card which have an email noticfication but it just cannot send the email out saying auth failed..the tech say You will need to enable relaying in the mail server for the 3DM2 host. how do i do that? exim? |
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| 05:52.11 | abrocadabro | simonrvn: I tried to loose all permission for testing, chmod 666 *.pem, and then restarted jabberd, I still get this error from syslog, "error: SSL handshake error (error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol)" |
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| 05:52.19 | Facedown | what's a good pdf viewer other than the default one? |
| 05:52.49 | kgoetz | default in what? gnome? |
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| 05:55.13 | jetscreamer | xpdf |
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| 05:55.20 | jetscreamer | ugly but functional |
| 05:55.30 | jaalto | What package contains the "Securing Debian Manual" displayed at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 05:55.37 | jetscreamer | hey new definition for fugly |
| 05:55.40 | jetscreamer | !fugly |
| 05:55.41 | dpkg | somebody said fugly was fucking ugly |
| 05:55.47 | jaalto | I'd like to browse it offline (*txt) |
| 05:56.08 | jetscreamer | dpkg fugly is also ugly, but functional |
| 05:56.09 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 05:56.29 | Facedown | how about something that isnt ugly? |
| 05:56.32 | jetscreamer | !tell jaalto -about search |
| 05:56.48 | jetscreamer | adobe acrobat reader is in non-free or contrib |
| 05:57.01 | kgoetz | non-free |
| 05:57.06 | kgoetz | (if at all) |
| 05:57.06 | jetscreamer | !find acrobat |
| 05:57.16 | jetscreamer | i've seen it.. might be on marillat's though |
| 05:57.17 | jaalto | jetscreamer: I've already uses "apt-cache search", so please point me to package |
| 05:57.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'acrobat' (4 of 5): (/usr/share/scribus/icons/acrobat.png) in graphics/scribus ;; (/usr/share/boa-constructor/bcrtl/activex/acrobat.py) in devel/boa-constructor ;; (/usr/share/jspwiki/templates/default/images/page_white_acrobat.png) in web/jspwiki ;; (/usr/share/endeavour2/icons/{icon_acrobat_20x20.xpm|icon_acrobat_32x32.xpm|icon_acrobat_48x48.xpm}) in utils/endeavour2. |
| 05:57.50 | kgoetz | i'd say marilat or backports is a likely locationf ro it |
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| 05:58.14 | jetscreamer | !info acroread |
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| 05:58.38 | jetscreamer | yes on marillat |
| 05:58.43 | jetscreamer | !dmm |
| 05:58.43 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat), or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 05:59.07 | jetscreamer | Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 05:59.40 | jetscreamer | Description: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer Adobe Acrobat Reader for viewing and printing Adobe Portable Document Format (PDF) files. |
| 05:59.54 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
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| 06:02.13 | synx | Oh hey, that patch does fix the exploit. No longer works for me. |
| 06:02.38 | synx | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=712a30e63c8066ed84385b12edbfb804f49cbc44 |
| 06:02.53 | synx | Just that one line change and it stopped getting root access. |
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| 06:09.24 | pythonic | whoah! local root! |
| 06:09.54 | jetscreamer | easy to obtain even in ubenoobtube |
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| 06:11.24 | Facedown | xpdf looks ghetto |
| 06:11.27 | Facedown | so does the site |
| 06:11.28 | Facedown | lol |
| 06:11.31 | Facedown | @ http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/screenshots.html |
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| 06:12.37 | amdprophet | http://digg.com/world_news/Scientology_Protest_in_Vancouver_BC DIGG IT! |
| 06:12.55 | jelly-home | amdprophet: please, no spamming |
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| 06:17.01 | godling | why does aptitude stall? |
| 06:17.40 | sco50000 | godling: you didn't put it in gear |
| 06:17.59 | godling | I may need to get out and push. ;P |
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| 06:18.19 | godling | seriously, it's installing something from my cdrom and it's stalling. |
| 06:18.32 | sco50000 | i have no idea. sorry |
| 06:18.39 | godling | no worries |
| 06:18.48 | godling | I'll blame jim. |
| 06:18.54 | godling | jim: thanks a lot! |
| 06:21.27 | jetscreamer | goddamn this scientology church thing seems to be becoming a popular issue |
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| 06:23.25 | grendal_prime | jetscreamer: ya thats what happens when you have a bunch of egomaniacks pushing a religeon that teaches that everyone is the center of the universe..things tend to get intertangled and..well f-worded up |
| 06:24.20 | pythonic | i am the center of the universe |
| 06:24.49 | kgoetz | dont bring up SC :| it will only be bad |
| 06:25.27 | SecretLine | why i hate ubuntu? |
| 06:25.40 | SecretLine | dont know... i just hate it... |
| 06:25.51 | pythonic | kgoetz: South Carolina? yeah, that was bad for hillarybots |
| 06:26.30 | pythonic | here's enough reasons to hate ubuntu (and debian) http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5093 |
| 06:27.06 | SecretLine | pythonic hahahahaha |
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| 06:27.26 | SecretLine | also i hate the name "ubuntu" |
| 06:27.39 | SecretLine | it sounds like idiot |
| 06:27.40 | pythonic | would you prefer iandeb? |
| 06:27.40 | SecretLine | damn |
| 06:27.50 | SecretLine | yah |
| 06:27.57 | SecretLine | any other name |
| 06:28.10 | jelly-home | pythonic: how is a local root exploit a reason to hate a distro? |
| 06:28.40 | Manfre | didn't some one release an exploit that closed the exploit? |
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| 06:28.58 | pythonic | 'cos i don't like using Debian Windows 4.0 |
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| 06:29.41 | SecretLine | hahahha |
| 06:29.49 | SecretLine | really, it sucks... |
| 06:30.04 | kgoetz | wow, whiny magots day out today it seems. |
| 06:30.07 | SecretLine | it comes with a lot of useless packages... |
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| 06:30.33 | godling_ | kgoetz: that's "maggots" |
| 06:30.44 | kgoetz | godling_: yeah, i couldnt be bothered to fix it though :p |
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| 06:31.12 | vinc456 | Manfre: http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c |
| 06:31.35 | vinc456 | it worked for me but i'm not sure if the code can be trusted |
| 06:31.37 | Jygzygyzel | linux 2.6.17-2.6.24 local root exploit |
| 06:31.49 | vinc456 | it was posted on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953#14 |
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| 06:32.18 | vinc456 | the exploit is patched until next reboot |
| 06:33.46 | Jygzygyzel | the name for the exploit file is jessica_biel_naked_in_my_bed.c =D |
| 06:33.49 | jim | what kernels are affected by the exploit |
| 06:34.00 | Jygzygyzel | 2.6.17-2.6.24 |
| 06:34.36 | jim | are there bins of 2.6.18 patched? |
| 06:34.43 | pythonic | Jygzygyzel: it's root code |
| 06:34.49 | Nyle | my mouse cursors in X are extremely messed up looking, no matter the theme I use. I don't know where to look to fix this, any ideas? |
| 06:34.51 | Jygzygyzel | huh? |
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| 06:36.03 | jim | debian has patched kernels and made them available yet? |
| 06:36.33 | jim | jesica alba is hotter :P |
| 06:36.37 | pythonic | no. maybe next month? |
| 06:36.45 | jim | how stupid :P |
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| 06:38.08 | SecretLine | damn in ubuntu everyone ask for compiz, beryl and those type of packages... |
| 06:38.30 | icedtea | MIT license means the corporations can modify the code and sell it without releasing the source right? |
| 06:38.54 | pythonic | not just the corporations |
| 06:38.59 | jim | gpl triggers upon "distribution" |
| 06:39.09 | shastry | is there a fix for the vmsplice exploit yet? |
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| 06:39.12 | shastry | especially for xen? |
| 06:39.27 | nevyn | shastry: there's a sortof fix that patches the kernel in memory |
| 06:39.41 | jim | is there a source patch |
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| 06:39.58 | shastry | nevyn: i get oops when i run it in domU |
| 06:40.08 | nevyn | ah |
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| 06:40.46 | shastry | and then |
| 06:40.48 | shastry | ps ax wont work |
| 06:40.57 | shastry | i have a weird feeling that things will crash soon |
| 06:41.05 | pythonic | you deserve it |
| 06:41.15 | shastry | hm why? |
| 06:41.19 | shastry | for installing xen? |
| 06:42.31 | cafuego | shastry: SELinux is not vulnerable. |
| 06:42.31 | nerdsquad3210 | when will next deabian release gona come out ? |
| 06:42.40 | cafuego | !wir |
| 06:42.40 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:43.03 | SecretLine | what virtualization suite is good to virtualize XP? |
| 06:43.07 | kgoetz | i like siyh |
| 06:43.19 | cafuego | SecretLine: vmware |
| 06:43.38 | kgoetz | it had virtualisation stuff in it |
| 06:43.49 | cafuego | mainly not xen though |
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| 06:43.58 | cafuego | lot of info on openvz i think |
| 06:44.01 | Manfre | SecretLine: I'm using VirtualBox with no issues |
| 06:44.07 | kgoetz | no, but i'm not attached to anything in particular (not having done any) |
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| 06:44.44 | nerdsquad3210 | when will next deabian release gona come out ? |
| 06:44.52 | cafuego | nerdsquad3210: When it's ready. |
| 06:45.03 | pythonic | Real soon now |
| 06:45.13 | cafuego | Probably before DNF. |
| 06:45.18 | nerdsquad3210 | cant you be a litle more especific ? |
| 06:45.22 | pythonic | Sooner if you help |
| 06:45.34 | jelly-home | cafuego: DNF? |
| 06:45.35 | pythonic | .. maybe.. |
| 06:45.42 | cafuego | nerdsquad3210: No, as nobody really knows. |
| 06:45.43 | nerdsquad3210 | you mean l8er |
| 06:45.43 | pythonic | gasp |
| 06:45.51 | cafuego | jeduke nukem forever |
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| 06:46.21 | jelly-home | nerdsquad3210: look for Debian 4.1 spring 2009! |
| 06:46.27 | nerdsquad3210 | is debian kernel vulnrable ? |
| 06:46.31 | pythonic | yes |
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| 06:46.43 | nerdsquad3210 | great |
| 06:46.46 | cafuego | jelly-home: Which one, southern or northern hemisphere? |
| 06:46.53 | Nyle | hey btw, I fixed the mouse cursor |
| 06:46.54 | jelly-home | cafuego: yes. |
| 06:47.02 | cafuego | jelly-home: earth? |
| 06:47.20 | Nyle | I remembered something about nvidia once having an option for a sofware cursor thing, and I guess ati has one too in fglrx |
| 06:47.31 | jelly-home | cafuego: I can be that specific! Yes, this planet. |
| 06:47.35 | Nyle | turning that option on fixed the mouse cursor, but now it seems to blink s a lot |
| 06:47.37 | pythonic | obama ftw! |
| 06:48.06 | SecretLine | is vmware good? i have use it across windows, but no in my debian |
| 06:48.10 | nerdsquad3210 | have you read the story about that dude the worked on the suspend to disk feature in debian ?!! |
| 06:48.25 | nerdsquad3210 | or was ti ubuntu ? |
| 06:48.43 | jim | it either was or it wasn't |
| 06:48.50 | nerdsquad3210 | i v read that piece of craap |
| 06:48.50 | Nyle | what was? |
| 06:48.52 | jelly-home | SecretLine: vmware works. |
| 06:49.02 | cafuego | most people have names, that would help... |
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| 06:50.36 | Crissi | hello |
| 06:50.39 | SecretLine | jelly-home, it can use swap as ram? |
| 06:50.45 | Crissi | i think i have found a bug in xorg |
| 06:50.51 | jim | what's setuid on a dir do? |
| 06:50.59 | jim | (not g, u) |
| 06:51.03 | cafuego | chowns any files placed there |
| 06:51.09 | cafuego | (afaik) |
| 06:51.16 | Crissi | if i did a supend to ram and wake up, then the left mouse click is interpreted as double click |
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| 06:51.23 | jim | so would I setugid the dir? |
| 06:51.24 | jelly-home | SecretLine: no idea |
| 06:51.33 | Crissi | on my usb mouse |
| 06:51.54 | jim | fix the interpretation |
| 06:51.54 | Crissi | after disconnect and reconnect it the mouse works normal again |
| 06:52.04 | Crissi | can someone proove that? |
| 06:52.07 | SecretLine | jelly-home, well ill test it, ty ;) |
| 06:52.17 | nerdsquad3210 | is it true reall pirats use fedora ? |
| 06:52.21 | jim | if the double click produces unfortunate results |
| 06:52.22 | Crissi | lenny here |
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| 06:52.34 | cafuego | is it true that all trolls are called nerdsquad3210? |
| 06:52.40 | jim | nerdsquad3210: do you? |
| 06:52.45 | jim | nerdsquad3210: are you? |
| 06:52.55 | nevyn | not all trolls |
| 06:52.58 | nevyn | some are called jj |
| 06:54.01 | nerdsquad3210 | ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
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| 06:54.36 | nerdsquad3210 | it stoped ?!" |
| 06:54.44 | nerdsquad3210 | netsplit |
| 06:55.34 | jim | why bother paying attention to a netsplit? isn't your intent to communicate with people? |
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| 06:56.22 | jelly-home | jim: wishful thinking! |
| 06:56.32 | jim | oh, sorry, that's me being optimistic |
| 06:57.00 | nerdsquad3210 | what do you mean people ? |
| 06:57.19 | jim | !dict people |
| 06:57.22 | dpkg | Dictionary 'people' (1 of 22): (plural) any group of human beings (men or women or children) collectively; "old people"; "there were at least 200 people in the audience". |
| 06:57.42 | sco50000 | jim: whwat was the point of that? |
| 06:57.48 | sco50000 | what* |
| 06:58.17 | nerdsquad3210 | no i don't want to communicate to "people" |
| 06:58.29 | jim | oh, then you're here because? |
| 06:58.52 | nerdsquad3210 | i wanna talk you the boss |
| 06:59.08 | jim | what if I'm not available? |
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| 06:59.16 | up_the_irons | hey all |
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| 06:59.34 | up_the_irons | what's the difference between these packages: xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686, and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| 06:59.44 | sco50000 | nerdsquad3210: talking is 'communicating' and the boss is a 'person', therefore you want to communicate with a person |
| 06:59.51 | up_the_irons | they look the same, are they aliases for one another? |
| 06:59.51 | jim | -vserver |
| 06:59.58 | nerdsquad3210 | no i don't want to communicate to "people" |
| 07:00.16 | up_the_irons | jim: yeah, i saw the -vserver part |
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| 07:00.26 | jim | that's the difference |
| 07:00.32 | up_the_irons | jim: apt-cache show <package> doesn't indicate any difference |
| 07:00.37 | up_the_irons | jim: so just in the name? |
| 07:00.49 | jim | perhaps this is a kernel source config option |
| 07:01.14 | nerdsquad3210 | i want to comunitcate with a small minority for the peoples communitie |
| 07:01.18 | up_the_irons | jim: i want to install a xen system from the packages (previously i always did it from the source tarball), so i'm a little confused as to which package to pick |
| 07:01.40 | up_the_irons | jim: source config, ok |
| 07:01.48 | jim | the -xen- will work for either a domU or a dom0 |
| 07:02.02 | nerdsquad3210 | i want to communicate with a small minority of the "peoples community" |
| 07:02.21 | jim | if that kernel is used in a domU then dom0 privs will not be there |
| 07:02.45 | tarzeau | Bushmills: haha |
| 07:02.52 | up_the_irons | jim: oh ok |
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| 07:03.18 | jim | up_the_irons: start by getting a dom0 going |
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| 07:03.47 | nerdsquad3210 | gnomo |
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| 07:03.50 | jim | probably the thing you're running now can be the dom0 |
| 07:04.02 | jim | then make a domU and you can use the same kernel |
| 07:04.32 | synx | you don't want dom0. he kills the kittens |
| 07:05.06 | jim | dom0 arigat0 mister robot0 |
| 07:05.09 | oalvarez | Anyone knows a library to parse INI files available in Debian? |
| 07:05.24 | nerdsquad3210 | i bet this exploit was left behind by that dev that was working on the freeze feature of the kernel |
| 07:05.40 | jim | ini parsing is probably easy... otoh maybe there's a perl module for it |
| 07:05.49 | up_the_irons | jim: looks like this will point me in the right direction: http://mediakey.dk/~cc/installing-xen-on-debian-etch-40/ |
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| 07:05.59 | up_the_irons | jim: it references which packages i need, so i'm all good |
| 07:06.01 | octal | jim, forgot to mention... I'm programming in C. |
| 07:06.10 | cafuego | up_the_irons: Install the hypervisor, install a kerne kernel, set up grub, boot. |
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| 07:06.24 | jim | octal: oh, sorry... what do you want to do? |
| 07:06.33 | needhelp | i have a 3ware raid card which have an email noticfication but it just cannot send the email out saying auth failed..the tech say You will need to enable relaying in the mail server for the 3DM2 host. how do i do that? exim? |
| 07:06.45 | octal | I want to read a ".desktop" file from fd.o. |
| 07:06.50 | cafuego | Aha! 3:0:0:0 lives! |
| 07:07.01 | nerdsquad3210 | moining |
| 07:07.15 | octal | jim, I want to read a ".desktop" file from fd.o. |
| 07:07.30 | nerdsquad3210 | is that the frankenstiens serial number ? |
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| 07:08.47 | tweakism | What's the tool again so I can make apt realize things I installed from tarballs are installed? |
| 07:08.53 | tweakism | I forget what it's called and my google fu fails. |
| 07:09.14 | jim | parsing in C... you could try lex/yacc or flex/bison and there might be ini parser usable with them |
| 07:09.35 | jim | equivs |
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| 07:09.48 | octal | jim, nice idea. |
| 07:09.52 | nerdsquad3210 | fu fails ? isnt that in france ? |
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| 07:10.36 | jim | why does this have to be in C? |
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| 07:11.20 | nerdsquad3210 | faux falais ? |
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| 07:11.48 | sco50000 | cafuego: that's my MP3 player! |
| 07:12.14 | octal | jim, the rest of my program is in C. |
| 07:12.21 | cafuego | sco50000: It needed a slepping |
| 07:12.23 | cafuego | slapping |
| 07:12.27 | jim | oh details details :) |
| 07:12.33 | tweakism | anyone? anyone? easy question.. |
| 07:12.34 | nerdsquad3210 | whats the debian iso used to install to usb drive ? |
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| 07:12.49 | Enforcer | hi, whereis eggdrop.conf stored |
| 07:12.52 | Enforcer | examples somewhere |
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| 07:13.22 | jim | ok, so you have at least one approach... so another, might be to try finding a regexp lib you can link to |
| 07:13.31 | octal | jim, in a .desktop file, I'm writing a program to find its corresponding icon. |
| 07:14.14 | nerdsquad3210 | whats the debian iso used to install to usb drive ? |
| 07:14.45 | jim | Enforcer: #eggdrop on some net, dunno which one |
| 07:14.48 | nerdsquad3210 | Laaag? |
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| 07:15.07 | Enforcer | Where is the zipped up eggdrop.conf stored? |
| 07:15.12 | jim | Enforcer: #eggdrop on some net, dunno which one |
| 07:15.18 | Enforcer | ? |
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| 07:16.07 | jim | not to say you can't ask here... but you do have a reference to a better source of info now |
| 07:16.32 | godling_ | ugh. has anyone had difficulty with configuring a touchpad on a dell laptop? |
| 07:17.02 | nerdsquad3210 | never |
| 07:17.14 | jim | the touchpad is usually on an internal ps2 port and probably protocol imps2 |
| 07:18.00 | godling_ | jim: most docs I've read say that the protocol is autodev? |
| 07:18.06 | godling_ | anyways, I should clarify |
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| 07:18.37 | godling_ | it's working (somewhat; the scrolling on the side and bottom don't work) but I can't configure it via tpconfig or synclient |
| 07:18.52 | godling_ | SHMConfig is set to "on" in my xorg.conf |
| 07:19.14 | jim | I haven't ever used those things on my dell 5150 |
| 07:19.56 | jim | I just used the basics... and then I got a logitech marblemouse and put it on a usb hub |
| 07:20.13 | godling_ | I'd like to be able to turn the tap off because there's an annoying thing where I accidentally brush it with my finger while typing and it changes window focus on me. :/ |
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| 07:20.21 | jim | not liking to put too much fingermarks on the pad and all |
| 07:20.54 | jim | maybe you'd like click-to-focus? |
| 07:21.04 | jim | or not... |
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| 07:22.02 | godling_ | um, it clicks. |
| 07:22.15 | godling_ | the touchpad registers tap gestures |
| 07:22.27 | godling_ | that's why it is changing focus. :P |
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| 07:22.57 | jim | anyway, after that I got a second usb hub and also a 4 port switch for the desktop machine so that I could put the mouse and keyboard of my desktop to one of four computers |
| 07:23.04 | jim | it's werkin good :) |
| 07:24.05 | jim | during that same buying session I got a xga projector |
| 07:25.26 | octal | jim, looks like I already had written one. :-/ |
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| 07:25.46 | jim | you did?! and then forgot it? |
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| 07:26.29 | jim | well did it work? |
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| 07:28.41 | streuner | cafuego: s/troll/idiot/ :-P |
| 07:28.42 | octal | jim, hehe, I don't know yet. I'm like halfway in writing all the code. |
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| 07:29.31 | jim | how much code do you write before testing? |
| 07:29.52 | streuner | hm |
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| 07:30.19 | sobersabre | hi guys. yesterday I saw a message about vmspline on /. |
| 07:30.27 | cafuego | streuner: that was *slow* |
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| 07:30.36 | sobersabre | is there any other cure except to recompile my own kernel ? |
| 07:30.45 | cafuego | streuner: I installed a harddisk and brought up a new VM in the mean time |
| 07:30.47 | streuner | cafuego: iam just awake and scrolled up... |
| 07:30.52 | jim | that's what I'm gonna do |
| 07:31.12 | jim | the cool thing is I compile once and use for both my machines |
| 07:31.16 | sobersabre | jim: do you mean vmspline ? |
| 07:31.22 | octal | jim, not much, but I have to adapt the code I wrote back then to the one I'm doing now. |
| 07:31.45 | octal | jim, however, it has this horrible static 8K buffer to read each INI line. :-S |
| 07:32.15 | jim | you might as well consider generalizing it so that it builds a full tree structure of all of the config |
| 07:33.26 | octal | yeah, that's better, I thought somebody had a Debian lib for that already... I'm so lazy. |
| 07:33.56 | jim | maybe there is |
| 07:34.17 | jim | in fact I'd say the chances are better than 5050 |
| 07:34.40 | jim | lazy is good btw |
| 07:35.01 | jim | otherwise (-especially- in C) you do way wayy too much work |
| 07:35.19 | octal | I found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/libini Looks like it is from 2001 and it is not in Debian repos. |
| 07:35.41 | jim | try building it and see :) |
| 07:36.04 | Enforcer | Where is the zipped up eggdrop.conf stored? |
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| 07:36.46 | streuner | Debian usually has stuff in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 07:37.02 | streuner | docs and sometimes examples |
| 07:37.16 | jim | sometimes nothing but a copyright file |
| 07:37.42 | streuner | !find eggdrop.conf |
| 07:37.43 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'eggdrop.conf' (1): (/usr/share/doc/eggdrop-data/examples/eggdrop.conf.gz) in net/eggdrop-data. |
| 07:38.07 | streuner | Enforcer: read the search factoid too (/msg dpkg search) |
| 07:39.24 | Enforcer | how do I set permission of a file to user not root? |
| 07:39.25 | baloo | Heh, I didn't know about htat. |
| 07:39.33 | Enforcer | I found it |
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| 07:39.40 | Enforcer | but I need to set it as user permission |
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| 07:40.00 | jim | permissions are good to learn about |
| 07:40.08 | iateadonut | i just installed php/mysql, and neither of the files are showing up in my /etc/init.d ... |
| 07:40.21 | Enforcer | dude I know all this, I've just forgotten |
| 07:40.31 | jim | relearn :) |
| 07:40.34 | Enforcer | I need you to refresh my memory |
| 07:40.39 | jim | no you don't |
| 07:40.44 | Enforcer | how do I do it |
| 07:40.49 | Enforcer | chmod 744 ? |
| 07:40.57 | Enforcer | I forget which number? |
| 07:41.05 | Enforcer | chmod 666 |
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| 07:41.49 | octal | Enforcer, the chmod man page explains it in detail. |
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| 07:42.42 | octal | jim, it worked! hehe |
| 07:42.57 | jim | octal: nice :) |
| 07:42.59 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:43.09 | jim | addemup |
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| 07:43.33 | jim | movemout addemup movemout rawwwhide!!!! |
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| 07:43.37 | iateadonut | what's the difference between apache and apache2-mrm - what does that mrm mean? |
| 07:43.55 | zinx | apt-cache show apache2-mrm |
| 07:43.59 | jelly-home | iateadonut: mpm? |
| 07:44.10 | jim | mum! |
| 07:44.11 | octal | do you do C programming? |
| 07:44.23 | jim | I have before... |
| 07:44.46 | jim | I combined aolserver with perl, in C... |
| 07:44.53 | happla | I <3 Debian |
| 07:45.52 | jelly-home | iateadonut: apache is the old stable 1.3 series. apache2-* is apache2.2, and different apache2-mpm-* packages are built with different ways of handling multiple connections. |
| 07:46.03 | jim | !find coreutils.info.gz |
| 07:46.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'coreutils.info.gz' (1): (/usr/share/info/coreutils.info.gz) in utils/coreutils. |
| 07:46.38 | jim | info coreutils |
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| 07:47.08 | jim | look for file permissions |
| 07:47.18 | jim | go in there |
| 07:47.22 | jim | devous |
| 07:47.24 | jim | devour |
| 07:47.39 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 07:47.39 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 07:49.42 | jim | oic why coreutils.info is included (no front or back cover texts, no invariant sections) |
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| 07:52.32 | jelly-home | grsecurity rules. Feb 11 08:51:19 filist kernel: grsec: From 89.164.26.238: denied mmap write of /dev/[k]mem by /home/jelly/disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable[disable-vmsplic:19208] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /bin/zsh4[zsh:19185] uid/euid:811/811 gid/egid:100/100 |
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| 07:56.13 | jim | jelly-home: does that mean you patched your kernel and that caused it to be not vulnerable? or that grsec protected you? |
| 07:58.04 | jelly-home | jim: the latter... a grsec feature disabled that particular entry |
| 07:58.10 | jelly-home | point |
| 07:58.38 | jim | nice... so it's kinda unnecessary to patch |
| 07:58.41 | jim | but |
| 07:58.45 | jim | I'm gonna patch :) |
| 08:00.52 | aphesz | anyone has a url to a *complete working* guide to get grsec working with etch? |
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| 08:01.29 | streuner | put that into sources.list, if you running etch - deb http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ./ |
| 08:01.45 | streuner | and use a fixed debian kernel |
| 08:02.09 | jim | these are patched? |
| 08:02.17 | streuner | sure, of course |
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| 08:03.48 | jim | would these be the same? |
| 08:04.25 | Firefishe | what would happen if I deleted my .kde and .local directories from my /home/<user> directory? |
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| 08:04.33 | jim | streuner: heya, what's new |
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| 08:04.54 | jim | Firefishe: they would be unrecoverably gone |
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| 08:06.00 | jim | Firefishe: why? what else is supposed to happen? |
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| 08:13.22 | Nyle | Firefishe: all your settings would be lost |
| 08:13.28 | Nyle | you'd have to restart from scratch |
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| 08:13.37 | Nyle | the topic in #kde says do not delete ~/.kde |
| 08:13.51 | SecretLine | the last kernel 2.6.24.2 has the vmsplice exploit? |
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| 08:15.05 | zinx | SecretLine: the exploit claims 2.6.24.1 is the last |
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| 08:17.25 | SecretLine | zinx thx |
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| 08:17.37 | Firefishe | Nyle: okay, I follow that. What I'm having problems with is this: 1. my trash folder in ~/Desktop is not functioning, ie, I can't dragNdrop to it anymore, nor does it open when I click on it. |
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| 08:18.19 | Nyle | Firefishe: maybe rm -rf ~/.Trash |
| 08:18.20 | Nyle | ? |
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| 08:18.40 | Nyle | and ~/Desktop/.Trash |
| 08:18.42 | Nyle | whatever |
| 08:18.57 | Nyle | they will get recreated if you delete stuff again |
| 08:19.18 | Nyle | I usually tell konqueror to bypass the trash can bs |
| 08:19.21 | Firefishe | didn't know there was a .trash.... |
| 08:19.50 | Firefishe | Nyle: I am somewhat confused as to why there is not a DELETE entry in my context menu (right click) anymore. |
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| 08:19.56 | Firefishe | I prefer that anyway |
| 08:19.59 | Nyle | Firefishe: what did you do? |
| 08:20.09 | Firefishe | there never was |
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| 08:20.47 | Nyle | konqueror > settings > configure konqueror > behaviour tab > 3rd to last checkbox |
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| 08:23.53 | jim | what pkgs do I need to run make xconfig on a 2.6.18 |
| 08:24.08 | jim | other than build-essential |
| 08:24.48 | Firefishe | jim: I believe you need the kernel source for that kernel |
| 08:25.03 | Firefishe | other than that, I don't know |
| 08:25.06 | jim | think I did got that :) |
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| 08:25.40 | jim | let's see... remembering from 20 seconds ago (oh shit better hurry, short term mem... |
| 08:25.46 | jim | what was I saying? |
| 08:25.56 | Firefishe | hee |
| 08:26.32 | jim | oh yeah... edited a file in the kernel source |
| 08:26.37 | jim | musta been it :) |
| 08:27.15 | Firefishe | building a LFS system? |
| 08:27.30 | jim | no, patching some security problem |
| 08:27.43 | jim | seeing what else I want to enable |
| 08:27.51 | zinx | there are unofficial packages for etch to fix the vmsplice issue |
| 08:27.52 | jim | probably won't bother right now |
| 08:28.09 | jim | I'll build em myself, it's ok |
| 08:28.45 | Firefishe | hmm..what issues? l I'm always interested in bugs like that. What's the vmsplice issue? |
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| 08:29.02 | streuner | zinx: see bugreport, ari just mention that there |
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| 08:29.23 | streuner | zinx: oh, sorry :-) saw there as where :-) |
| 08:29.26 | jim | a check was missing to see if it was ok to copy a block of ram to kernel space |
| 08:29.29 | zinx | streuner: s/zinx/Firefishe/ ? :) |
| 08:29.30 | heanol | exploit doesn't seem to work on xen domU kernel |
| 08:29.38 | jim | (that is, if permission was granted) |
| 08:29.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 08:30.04 | zinx | heanol: it won't work on kernels without vmsplice |
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| 08:30.51 | niere | hi |
| 08:30.55 | heanol | zinx: the xen domU kernel doesn't have vmsplice? |
| 08:31.44 | zinx | heanol: i'm guessing it doesn't |
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| 08:32.05 | zinx | heanol: you can check the config for it, though |
| 08:32.07 | jim | how do I get qt dev libs in etch |
| 08:32.11 | Hoxzer | is it possible to add comments to .Xmodmap ? |
| 08:32.36 | niere | is anyone here who knows how mkinitramfs/update-initramfs works in conjunction with cryptsetup? |
| 08:33.18 | niere | i have taken a long look at the scripts, but could not see where the file /conf/conf.d/cryptroot (in the initrd) is created (and how) |
| 08:33.24 | heanol | zinx: didn't compile it my self, using stock kernels from ubuntu |
| 08:33.32 | treKrem | jim: i believe make xconfig builds a qt interface. If I remember correctly, you need qt3 development files |
| 08:33.55 | niere | and the update-initramfs/mkinitrd seems to ignore my /etc/crypttab |
| 08:33.57 | jim | yes, which debian package provides those in etch? |
| 08:34.36 | zinx | heanol: /boot/config-* |
| 08:34.38 | Firefishe | there wasn't anything wrong with kconfig either |
| 08:34.44 | Firefishe | gtk works fine, too |
| 08:34.50 | SecretLine | i got a PIII running with debian etch... sometimes goes slow... if i downgrade to woody, would it be faster? |
| 08:34.53 | zinx | heanol: unfortunately, i don't know the name of the option |
| 08:35.31 | jim | if I simply did apt-get install kde kdm at some point, which qt did I get in etch, 3 or 4? |
| 08:36.02 | SecretLine | jim 3 i guess |
| 08:36.13 | treKrem | jim: certainly version 3. but that would not install the development files you need in order to build |
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| 08:36.34 | jim | yes I'm aware of that part |
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| 08:37.27 | treKrem | jim: libqt3-headers looks like a fair bet, perhaps also libqt3-compat-headers |
| 08:37.39 | zinx | heanol: there may not be one :x |
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| 08:38.23 | jim | you get a whole shitload of stuff including those if you install qt3-apps-dev |
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| 08:39.00 | treKrem | jim: the kernel source packages recommends libqt3-mt-dev, you probably should install that |
| 08:39.12 | jim | yeah, that's in there too |
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| 08:39.55 | Firefishe | brb |
| 08:40.18 | jim | hot! that worked! |
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| 08:41.58 | mac|gyver | Hi guys, is there a solution to CVE-2008-0009/10 already? |
| 08:42.03 | heanol | zinx: yes, that's what i thought too.. that you couldn't disable vmsplice |
| 08:42.14 | heanol | which is why i thought it'd be odd if the kernels were built without it |
| 08:42.16 | mac|gyver | and how would I go about updating a kernel once it is |
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| 08:43.13 | sobersabre | guys, the vmsplice issue has been addressed in 2.6.24.2 |
| 08:43.18 | streuner | mac|gyver: etch? |
| 08:43.34 | sobersabre | any ideas when it will be backported into the Etch's kernel |
| 08:43.36 | sobersabre | ? |
| 08:43.54 | streuner | put that into sources.list, if you running etch - deb http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ./ |
| 08:43.55 | mac|gyver | streuner: erm... |
| 08:44.06 | mac|gyver | how do I find that one out? |
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| 08:44.27 | streuner | mac|gyver: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:44.31 | jim | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:44.35 | jim | too |
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| 08:44.54 | mac|gyver | jim: 3.1 |
| 08:45.05 | jim | mmmm sarge? |
| 08:45.10 | mac|gyver | yep |
| 08:45.23 | jim | uname -r |
| 08:45.25 | xushi | Hi all. I'm formatting this external 250G hard drive as ext3 from Paragon Partition Manager, setting the block size to 8. The problem is, after formatting it claims to be using 20GB of the space.. Is that normal ? |
| 08:45.31 | streuner | if you running sarge with an old kernel you have *other* problems then :-) |
| 08:45.50 | mac|gyver | jim: 2.6.9-023stab0-46.2 |
| 08:45.57 | streuner | omg |
| 08:46.00 | mac|gyver | streuner: I don't think I want to know about all the problems I have :) |
| 08:46.01 | jim | oh, you're not vulnerable to that |
| 08:46.16 | mac|gyver | jim: why not? |
| 08:46.19 | streuner | ok, then dont ask about newer problems... |
| 08:46.22 | jim | .17 is the earliest vulnerable |
| 08:46.26 | mac|gyver | no |
| 08:46.26 | sobersabre | it was introduced in .17 |
| 08:46.28 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:46.37 | streuner | that isnt important |
| 08:46.40 | mac|gyver | 2.6.1 is also listed |
| 08:46.47 | jim | it is? |
| 08:46.51 | mac|gyver | yes |
| 08:46.52 | jim | wellthen :) |
| 08:47.00 | streuner | older kernels have plenty of other problems..., unless those are fixed... |
| 08:47.04 | sobersabre | I tried to run it on all uni servers I can ssh to..... |
| 08:47.05 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:47.11 | mac|gyver | anyhow, to fix to other problems... how would I go about updating it? |
| 08:47.22 | sobersabre | and the only ones that worked was 2.6.17 upto 2.6.24.1 |
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| 08:47.31 | mac|gyver | sobersabre: interesting |
| 08:47.41 | sobersabre | mac|gyver: not very. |
| 08:47.54 | sobersabre | I had grey hair the 1st rooted machine in my cluster. |
| 08:47.58 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:48.13 | zinx | sobersabre: hope you're doing it with disable-vmsplice-if-exploitable.c |
| 08:48.13 | mac|gyver | sobersabre: especially on a uni :) |
| 08:48.45 | sobersabre | it's not critical, I mean the cluster is not open to the internet. |
| 08:48.57 | mac|gyver | anyway, is it possible to upgrade the kernel on this sarge box? and how? |
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| 08:49.13 | SecretLine | omg |
| 08:49.14 | sobersabre | mac|gyver: I think you should upgrade the whole system. |
| 08:49.14 | zinx | mac|gyver: upgrade it to etch |
| 08:49.18 | SecretLine | nice bug |
| 08:49.30 | jim | what's the machine for |
| 08:49.30 | sobersabre | SecretLine: have you r00ted yourself ? |
| 08:49.32 | sobersabre | :) |
| 08:49.32 | mac|gyver | ugh that sounds painful (because it's a vserver) |
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| 08:49.37 | SecretLine | yea |
| 08:49.55 | SecretLine | i havent more users |
| 08:50.01 | SecretLine | but, nice hole |
| 08:50.08 | jim | mac|gyver what's the machine for |
| 08:50.17 | SecretLine | for a server, damn, its serious |
| 08:50.24 | mac|gyver | jim: apache |
| 08:50.25 | sobersabre | I have checked all the logins on the gateway, and luckily apart of me nobody logged in during the bug life |
| 08:50.32 | sobersabre | SecretLine: no it's not. |
| 08:50.42 | sobersabre | a user must somehow have local access. |
| 08:50.43 | jim | just apache? or apache with stuff? |
| 08:51.25 | SecretLine | sobersabre but... if i access to a server, do the exploit and i delete data? |
| 08:51.28 | mac|gyver | jim: it'd be impossible to write a file to disk I tihnk |
| 08:51.33 | SecretLine | its serious in that case |
| 08:51.55 | sobersabre | SecretLine: what do you mean by "access to a server" ? |
| 08:51.55 | mac|gyver | is it possible to upgrade to etch from withing sage? |
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| 08:52.04 | SecretLine | sobersabre, using SSH |
| 08:52.08 | SecretLine | like a user |
| 08:52.26 | streuner | mac|gyver: sure, read the release-notes before |
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| 08:52.34 | jim | yes. but it's going to be a bit harrowing unless you have someone near the machine that can reboot it, OR if you have a serial console |
| 08:52.36 | sobersabre | SecretLine: if you are doing this, you may be beaten by your sysadmin..... |
| 08:52.56 | mac|gyver | jim: my only escape is backup/restore of the entire filesystem |
| 08:52.58 | sobersabre | because smart sysadmins have loghost. |
| 08:53.13 | sobersabre | and he will know YOU were the one who pwned the server :) |
| 08:53.15 | jim | howbout you backup first |
| 08:53.19 | SecretLine | sobersabre, yah... |
| 08:53.44 | mac|gyver | jim: that was the plan yeah, I'm not going to hurry it eithe |
| 08:53.45 | SecretLine | im not exploiting servers, just i say :) |
| 08:53.49 | sobersabre | SecretLine: so, if you aren't afraid of being beaten like sh1te... go and root your shell server :) |
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| 08:53.56 | SecretLine | come on, im here to fix it, no to exploit it :D |
| 08:54.41 | jim | so, short answer, yes you can upgrade, yes you can get kernels that were patched against the exploit, yes you should backup first :) |
| 08:55.33 | SecretLine | debian has kernel with it patched? |
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| 08:55.58 | jim | streuner has a link to usable etch kernels |
| 08:56.23 | jim | it's not from debian officially... they don't seem to know about it yet according to the web page :P |
| 08:57.10 | streuner | jim: these boxes are prolly locked, dont expect that they unlocked pretty soon... |
| 08:57.16 | SecretLine | im running sid |
| 08:57.22 | SecretLine | so, im on the bug list :D |
| 08:57.26 | streuner | jim: sure they know about... |
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| 08:58.43 | jim | streuner: is that a buildd someone ran after changing that one line? |
| 08:59.10 | streuner | !ops why isnt that in /topic ? "put that into sources.list, if you running etch - deb http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ./" |
| 08:59.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: why isnt that in /topic ? "put that into sources.list, if you running etch - deb http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ./" |
| 09:00.10 | tralala | streuner, what's that? |
| 09:00.28 | jim | sploity fix |
| 09:00.46 | streuner | tralala: thats waldi's fixed kernels for etch |
| 09:00.58 | jim | streuner: any idea which version of xen is in there? |
| 09:01.21 | streuner | jim: no idea about xen, just look yourself |
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| 09:01.38 | jim | I did, it doesn't show a version number for xen itself |
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| 09:04.10 | tralala | streuner, wouldn't there be an official security fix? |
| 09:04.43 | streuner | ask -security |
| 09:04.54 | Hoxzer | Anybody familiar with evrouter here ? I'm not getting keypressed to appear in X |
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| 09:09.33 | CalJohn | is there a program that can make the desktop background a terminal? I remember seeing one somewhere |
| 09:09.53 | Downer | any eta on a fix for the local root exploit? |
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| 09:10.16 | CalJohn | Downer: IIRC, there is one now |
| 09:10.17 | streuner | tralala: waldi just put the packages onto one of his servers, security servers are prolly locked at this state... |
| 09:10.36 | CalJohn | Downer: i'm remembering some /. post, so maybe not that reliable :p |
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| 09:10.56 | LOL_WUT | IS THIS UBUNTU? |
| 09:10.58 | LOL_WUT | ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UBUNTU FAIL /\/ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UBUNTU FAIL /\/ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UBUNTU FAIL /\/ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UBUNTU FAIL /\/ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UBUNTU FAIL /\/ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UBUNTU FAIL /\/ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN AN AIDS SANDWICH FULL OF UB |
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| 09:11.28 | Downer | CalJohn: ok, any idea when it will make it to apt? |
| 09:11.50 | jim | CalJohn:there is a kernel patch (one line) which I personally know compiles |
| 09:11.55 | kanaldrache | Moin! Any idea why apt in etch shows the following behaviour? apt sends three GET request with http keep alive, the first fails with 404 and the webserver sends "Connection: closed" (for whatever reason). Know the funny thing happens ... apt just repeat the request for the third request, just skipping the also missing second request |
| 09:13.21 | simonrvn | what. a. moron. |
| 09:13.22 | kanaldrache | The webserver in this case is apt-proxy ... so another question would be, if it's normal to send a "Connection: closed" header after 404 ... this seems to miss the whole point of keep-alive as i understand it |
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| 09:13.44 | streuner | tralala: just look at the bugreport and what ari mentioned |
| 09:13.51 | elky | someone ban *!Server20@* there's more than just that one around |
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| 09:15.17 | liable | only one instance in this channel |
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| 09:15.32 | CalJohn | Downer: i have no idea. for the moment, if you have untrusted users you could just remove vmsplice |
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| 09:16.38 | Downer | CalJohn: ok, thanks. afaik im the only one with access so thats no real problem, but still, a bit unsettelning :P |
| 09:17.04 | jim | Downer: what's uname -r |
| 09:17.37 | ClimDan | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
| 09:17.47 | simonrvn | ClimDan: fuck off |
| 09:17.54 | Downer | jim: 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 09:18.05 | niere | simonrvn: you think it can understand you? |
| 09:18.19 | Downer | the proof of concept code worked too well on my host :P |
| 09:18.26 | simonrvn | niere: you can |
| 09:18.41 | niere | simonrvn: but i won't dos it away |
| 09:18.58 | jim | !ops ClimDan spammer |
| 09:18.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jim complains about: ClimDan spammer |
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| 09:19.17 | jim | ahh, too late |
| 09:19.24 | elky | jim, there's a zillion or two around tonight |
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| 09:21.17 | harpal | Hey is it posible to logs all chats of messenger at gateway? |
| 09:21.34 | jim | for what purpose |
| 09:22.18 | jim | bb |
| 09:22.43 | sco50000 | hmm... apt-get install kde didn't seem to get everyrhing :/ |
| 09:22.52 | sco50000 | i don't have amarok or k3b |
| 09:22.58 | sco50000 | and who knows what else |
| 09:23.01 | happla | sco50000: install thoose then? |
| 09:23.19 | happla | apt-get install amarok k3b |
| 09:23.22 | sco50000 | last time i installed debian, apt-get install kde got those |
| 09:23.23 | happla | poff,done |
| 09:23.47 | sco50000 | happla: i know how to use apt |
| 09:23.55 | happla | sco50000: So, whats the problem? |
| 09:24.16 | sco50000 | happla: i'm wondering why iot got them last time, but not this time |
| 09:24.28 | sco50000 | err, i got* |
| 09:24.53 | happla | ok, sorry - Don't know - Send a mail to the package maintainer |
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| 09:25.50 | harpal | jim actually here our admin has setup something on gateway and they are telling that they can see who is doing what so I am asking |
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| 09:30.39 | harpal | sco50000: ohhhhh thanks |
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| 09:40.00 | Firefishe | oops, not that x button ;) |
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| 09:40.49 | JustSoul | Hello, Is it possible: to create symlinks on remote smb-share? (Samba can work with symlinks?) |
| 09:41.19 | SlayerXP | JustSoul: what does your research so far suggest? |
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| 09:42.40 | krinns | hi all |
| 09:42.57 | krinns | i want to install IBM line printer on my debain etch box |
| 09:42.58 | krinns | any idea |
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| 09:44.05 | solidnail | tv show cartoon tom and jerry is the reason for my mental illness |
| 09:45.01 | JustSoul | SlayerXP: Users want to create links in KDE to some folder in one smb-share (./data/work/my/letters/bla -> ./bla) |
| 09:46.25 | Firefishe | solidnail: perhaps you should start watching anime'. I can't guarantee a cure for your MN, but at least it'll have a bit more color and intelligent variety, not to mention cool swordplay and mecha! :) And the chicks! The chicks! |
| 09:46.26 | Firefishe | ;) |
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| 09:47.19 | Firefishe | hiya simonrvn |
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| 09:48.39 | simonrvn | uh, hi? |
| 09:48.45 | Firefishe | alas my buffer, I knew thee well |
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| 09:49.00 | Firefishe | you've helped me a time or two, in the past |
| 09:49.10 | needhelp | anyone know what is the mt command in linux to quick erase the tape? |
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| 09:50.14 | erik2 | dash is a kind of bash ? |
| 09:50.17 | simonrvn | ah ok. tired, memory bad |
| 09:50.43 | Penix | besides mt erase? |
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| 09:51.48 | needhelp | like, mark the tape as empty so it will jus over write |
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| 09:52.10 | jelly | needhelp: no need to "mark as empty", just rewind and write. |
| 09:52.42 | Penix | speaking of tapes. need to get my drive in order. hope this I/O error crap is just the tape... |
| 09:53.16 | needhelp | oh ok.. |
| 09:53.29 | jelly | needhelp: if your dumb software autodetects an existing label, you can overwrite the beginning with anything first. Like dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/nst0 bs=... count=1 |
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| 09:54.27 | needhelp | i think bacula writes something that detect as a label..hm |
| 09:54.37 | needhelp | ok thx |
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| 09:55.51 | needhelp | bs=...? |
| 09:56.42 | JustSoul | needhelp: man dd |
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| 09:57.40 | needhelp | is it same operation as mt -f /dev/nst0 weof ? |
| 09:57.55 | Firefishe | simonrvn: Firefishe night auditor, hotel dark time, {firefishe@dreamtime ~}$ dreamtime --nosleepevermore |
| 09:58.01 | Firefishe | ;) |
| 09:58.11 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 09:58.19 | Firefishe | heeee, not for a while |
| 09:58.32 | Firefishe | have to make the breakfast, first. |
| 09:58.54 | simonrvn | i am. i'm exhausted |
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| 09:59.09 | Firefishe | well, sleep well. |
| 09:59.37 | Firefishe | although coming here and sleeping are, perhaps, antitheses to one another? ;) hee |
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| 10:00.56 | Firefishe | gotta run |
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| 10:15.47 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:15.47 | dpkg | < bouncing> This is not a Debian question, but you guys probably use Thinkpads... :) Can I take apart a thinkpad screen and literally remove an insect? < greycat> hahaha |
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| 10:16.11 | pmjdebruijn | Hi, I'd like to creating the same dialogs as the debian-installer |
| 10:16.18 | pmjdebruijn | what library does the debian-installer use? newt? |
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| 10:20.54 | dbmoodb | hi ah got an arm here wanted to see if i have vmsplice installed |
| 10:21.05 | dbmoodb | - not stock kernel just wondering if there is a way |
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| 10:25.17 | dbmoodb | sorry pmjdeb.. |
| 10:26.48 | dbmoodb | never mind i answered my own question with a uname :) |
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| 10:37.22 | saintiss | hi |
| 10:37.33 | saintiss | is there a debian-specific way to automatically backup mysql databases? |
| 10:37.37 | saintiss | e.g. a cron script? |
| 10:38.27 | JustSoul | How to work with symlinks on smb-share (mounted as cifs)? If smb-server "think" that symlink is dead (commonly, because remote created), it do not transfer it to client!! |
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| 10:39.49 | ayblh | hi all |
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| 10:41.22 | phix | Here is my syslog.conf, any ideas why it isn't working? --> http://rafb.net/p/fIT80320.html |
| 10:42.12 | phix | I have restarted syslog, and now it doesn't log to /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| 10:42.40 | phix | the process syslog is running |
| 10:44.01 | phix | Don't all answer at once |
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| 10:46.08 | phix | nice, new ppl |
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| 10:57.36 | HSorgYves | morning |
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| 10:58.08 | ayblh | who has compiled the 2.6.24.1 kernel ? |
| 10:58.24 | jim | you have! |
| 10:58.54 | oshiii-_^ | i'm using it now :/ |
| 10:58.59 | SmallR2002 | i will as soon as i discover a reason to get out of bed |
| 10:59.12 | SmallR2002 | possibly before |
| 10:59.22 | jim | I thought .2 was the fixed one |
| 10:59.26 | ayblh | when i compile the kernel, i don't have the corresponding initrd.img file created in the /boot/ directory ! |
| 11:00.23 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 11:00.42 | SmallR2002 | have you put it there or executed an instruction to? |
| 11:01.01 | pumpkin0 | Does the thermal monitoring auto-switch the scaling mode to powersafe if unsafe temperatures are reached ? |
| 11:01.05 | SmallR2002 | as plain 'make' doesn't move anything around outside the kernel directory |
| 11:01.27 | jim | ayblh: you dont get it when you do make-kpkg |
| 11:01.35 | ayblh | the creation itself doen's toccur |
| 11:01.40 | jim | you get it when you install the resulting package |
| 11:01.40 | ayblh | in any directory |
| 11:01.57 | ayblh | when i type : make install |
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| 11:02.06 | phix | so has anyone answered my question yet? |
| 11:02.09 | jim | oh, that has nothing to do with debian |
| 11:02.12 | ayblh | i have the vmlinuz and config files in the /boot |
| 11:02.19 | ayblh | but not the initrd.img file |
| 11:02.36 | SmallR2002 | what do you need the initrd for? |
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| 11:02.59 | jim | did you make lotsa modules in case you didn't have stuff? :) |
| 11:03.05 | jim | actually... I did that |
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| 11:03.33 | gynterk | anyone knows how can I substract values in OpenOffice.org Calc? |
| 11:03.42 | jim | I just built the kernel exactly the same as the original one |
| 11:04.01 | jim | -? |
| 11:04.07 | SmallR2002 | substract? do you mean subtract? |
| 11:04.20 | jim | eckstract? |
| 11:04.54 | gynterk | typo |
| 11:04.59 | gynterk | subtract yes |
| 11:05.04 | jim | -? |
| 11:05.09 | gynterk | since =5-2 is 25 |
| 11:05.10 | gynterk | not 3 |
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| 11:05.13 | gynterk | and =1+1 is 11 |
| 11:05.15 | solidnail | is letting cold air or cold weather in your body bad or can do damage long term or short term? :D thank you |
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| 11:05.34 | jim | oh, hmm |
| 11:05.40 | jim | wonder why that happens |
| 11:05.43 | solidnail | is letting cold air or cold weather in your body bad or can do damage long term or short term like refrigerator? :D thank you |
| 11:05.45 | jim | what is the cell type |
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| 11:05.58 | gynterk | Number |
| 11:06.08 | jim | and the things you're subtracting? |
| 11:06.14 | gynterk | 5-3 |
| 11:06.21 | gynterk | =5-3 is forumula |
| 11:06.23 | jim | and they are constants? |
| 11:06.26 | gynterk | yes |
| 11:06.35 | SmallR2002 | how interesting |
| 11:06.37 | jim | and you get 35 or something from that one |
| 11:06.38 | jim | ? |
| 11:06.48 | SmallR2002 | have you asked in the openoffice channel? |
| 11:07.20 | gynterk | jim, yes |
| 11:07.51 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: your ooffice is broken, mine does output -2. Are you sure it is a - sign and not a ~ sign ? |
| 11:08.05 | jim | that looks like a string concat operation |
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| 11:08.33 | gynterk | I'm using 2.3.1 |
| 11:08.36 | gynterk | lenny |
| 11:08.41 | gynterk | gona update it now |
| 11:08.56 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:09.15 | jim | such a bug is so bad I don't see how it would have gotten thru |
| 11:09.28 | gynterk | don't know |
| 11:09.31 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: 2.3.1 here too, no bug. |
| 11:09.40 | gynterk | wth |
| 11:09.45 | jim | howbout this: |
| 11:09.53 | gynterk | lets see after upgrade :P |
| 11:10.01 | jim | save the spreadsheet with those formulas |
| 11:10.17 | jim | send the file to pumpkin0 if he accepts this idea |
| 11:10.21 | jim | test |
| 11:11.20 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: you can set the cell type to text and if will ignore all formulas. So i suggest you (re)move the config (~/.openoffice.org2) and test with a blank, new sheet. |
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| 11:13.52 | gynterk | deleted conf dir and tested with new blank, but still same problem :P |
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| 11:14.04 | jim | pumpkin0: if he did that he'd get "=5-3" would he not? |
| 11:14.23 | gynterk | whoa wth |
| 11:14.25 | jim | which is +2 not -2 btw :) |
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| 11:14.33 | gynterk | openoffice about shows 2.3.1 but dpkg tells me 2.21 |
| 11:14.36 | gynterk | 2.2.1 |
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| 11:15.09 | jim | oh don't worry too much about that, debian developers do that for one reason or another all the time |
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| 11:15.30 | jim | it borders on false advertising if you ask me... but it is free :P |
| 11:15.36 | pumpkin0 | jim: he never said he gets 35 or 53. He just said he does not get the right value. |
| 11:15.37 | gynterk | I'll get the upgrade which shows 2.3.1 currently |
| 11:15.54 | jim | actually he did say that |
| 11:15.56 | gynterk | =5-2 returns 25 |
| 11:16.07 | gynterk | =4-2 returns 16 |
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| 11:16.29 | gynterk | =4-3 returns 64 |
| 11:16.32 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: did you set openoffice to base 6 ? |
| 11:16.37 | ustunozgur | hi, I have asked our sysadmin to give another hostname to my machine, so that I could use vhosts in apache. However that didn't work and the site is redirected to the shared ip web site. I suspect a misconfiguration in the DNS server. If a machine is given another domain name, what response is given when it is ping'ed? The first line of the ping response gives the name of the first domain even if I ping the second domain name. |
| 11:16.38 | jim | it's power |
| 11:16.53 | jim | 4 ^ 3 is four to the power of three |
| 11:17.00 | gynterk | indeed |
| 11:17.05 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: you are using ^ instead of - ? |
| 11:17.18 | jetscreamer | hey so if i mv something to /dev/null will it work? |
| 11:17.29 | gynterk | pumpkin0, no |
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| 11:17.53 | petemc | ustunozgur: are you using cnames? |
| 11:17.55 | gynterk | =4^3 returns TRUE :S |
| 11:17.55 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: open a console, install bc and start it. |
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| 11:18.31 | gynterk | pumpkin0, can't at the moment apt is working on upgrade |
| 11:18.54 | pumpkin0 | gynterk: then enter "5-3" (w/o the quotes). What is the result (after apt has finished...) |
| 11:20.45 | ustunozgur | petemc: cnames? in the dns? |
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| 11:21.42 | gynterk | bc works correctly |
| 11:22.05 | jim | that's cause it's prehistorical! |
| 11:22.06 | petemc | ustunozgur: what exactly doesnt work? |
| 11:22.13 | gynterk | and now does OpenOffice |
| 11:22.19 | gynterk | after upgrade everything is ok now |
| 11:22.57 | gynterk | thanks for your help |
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| 11:23.27 | ustunozgur | petemc: I am trying to get apache working with named virtual hosts. Now, when I add a virtual host pointing to my no-ip domain name, everything works ok. but the real domain name doesn't. more exactly, wimagic.ee.bilkent.edu.tr website goes to pcarikan.ee.bilkent.edu.tr web site |
| 11:23.39 | ustunozgur | petemc: But I want them to be separate sites. |
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| 11:23.51 | petemc | ustunozgur: you need to read up on how apache works |
| 11:24.14 | jim | which is how others work too |
| 11:24.35 | ustunozgur | petemc: Why? When I add a host name with no-ip.org it works as expected. so I don't think it is a problem with apache. |
| 11:24.48 | petemc | fair enough, good luck] |
| 11:25.55 | jetscreamer | shouldn't wimagic.ee.bilkent.edu.tr point at whatever ip the apache server is using? |
| 11:26.02 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 11:26.30 | ustunozgur | jetscreamer: yes I guess. |
| 11:26.47 | ustunozgur | petemc: why are the ping's different with no-ip and my host name? |
| 11:27.03 | ustunozgur | try pinging ustun2.no-ip.org |
| 11:27.10 | ustunozgur | they are all the same machines. |
| 11:27.22 | ustunozgur | but the response on the first line is different for no-ip. |
| 11:27.51 | jetscreamer | they both resolve to the same ip |
| 11:28.00 | jetscreamer | must be your apache |
| 11:28.52 | jetscreamer | blame the admin |
| 11:29.12 | ustunozgur | :) |
| 11:29.14 | JarZki^ | :) |
| 11:30.01 | ustunozgur | I installed ispconfig on the machine, it takes care of apache directives. |
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| 11:30.41 | ustunozgur | is there more than one way of defining domain names for the same machine? |
| 11:30.59 | jetscreamer | in apache afaik yes.. but i know nothing of apache |
| 11:31.08 | jetscreamer | i know about... that other thing |
| 11:31.14 | ustunozgur | no,no I'm talking about dns |
| 11:31.17 | jim | ping ustun2.no-ip.org |
| 11:31.26 | jim | no replies |
| 11:31.30 | wols_ | ustunozgur: you can have more than one DNS for an IP |
| 11:31.35 | Hoxzer | Hello, Is it possible to install lirc-modules-source with devinput driver? I dont see it in the list |
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| 11:31.37 | wols_ | you can have an unlimited amount |
| 11:31.56 | wols_ | *one DNS entry |
| 11:32.10 | ustunozgur | jim: but you see the first line of the response, right? |
| 11:32.18 | jim | yes |
| 11:32.30 | ustunozgur | for ustun2.no-ip.org I get ustun2.no-ip.org |
| 11:32.34 | jim | what other name is it? |
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| 11:32.35 | ustunozgur | but for wimagic.ee.bilkent.edu.tr |
| 11:32.43 | ustunozgur | I get pcarikan.ee.bilkent.edu.tr |
| 11:32.49 | jetscreamer | wimagic.ee.bilkent.edu.tr canonical name = pcarikan.ee.bilkent.edu.tr |
| 11:32.56 | jetscreamer | he means that |
| 11:32.57 | pumpkin0 | dmesg outputs "hdb: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }" several times per minute. I got the message, how do i make it stop (so i can follow the important messages) ? |
| 11:33.10 | ustunozgur | but I want wimagic and pcarikan to be separate |
| 11:33.10 | petemc | buy a new disk |
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| 11:33.28 | wols_ | ustunozgur: DNS wise they resolve to the same IP for me |
| 11:33.29 | jetscreamer | i know nothing, once again, but maybe that's really the name of the webserver |
| 11:33.34 | wols_ | now apache needs to reach on both too |
| 11:33.46 | wols_ | *to react |
| 11:33.53 | pumpkin0 | petemc: i have, but i cannot take that server offline for another 2 months... |
| 11:34.02 | jetscreamer | i did my dns thing... now i outsource it |
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| 11:34.36 | pumpkin0 | petemc: is it possible to tell hdparm to drop that interface ? |
| 11:34.37 | ustunozgur | wols_: they should be the same IP, but how does apache really know to which server the response is? |
| 11:34.38 | jim | http://ustun2.no-ip.org/portal/ ==> wimagic portal |
| 11:34.51 | ustunozgur | yes |
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| 11:34.57 | jetscreamer | apache 'just knows' |
| 11:35.06 | jetscreamer | because the admin set it up correctly |
| 11:35.19 | jetscreamer | the admin did man apache et al :0 |
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| 11:35.25 | jim | Welcome to pcarikan.ee.bilkent.edu.tr! |
| 11:35.40 | jetscreamer | j/k |
| 11:35.42 | jim | This is the standard index of your website. You can easily delete it or replace it with another file. This is the index.html file in the web directory. |
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| 11:35.53 | petemc | pumpkin0: hdparm? you want to take a disk offline? |
| 11:35.59 | jim | wht's wrong with that? it's working |
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| 11:36.27 | pumpkin0 | petemc: it is borken anyway. And the controller did say something about hotplug. |
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| 11:36.32 | ustunozgur | jim: try http://wimagic.ee.bilkent.edu.tr/ |
| 11:36.41 | ustunozgur | it redirects to the shared web site. |
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| 11:37.02 | jim | Shared IP |
| 11:37.17 | jim | This IP address is shared. For access to the web site which you look for, enter its address instead of its IP. |
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| 11:37.26 | LMZ | hello to all! |
| 11:37.41 | ustunozgur | jim: yes, but see I am already entering the address name |
| 11:37.45 | jim | three different names, three different responses... one ip |
| 11:37.49 | ustunozgur | not ip |
| 11:38.08 | LMZ | made dist-upgrade in my etch xfce and now, instead of fonts i see symbols |
| 11:38.10 | petemc | ustunozgur: you need to configure apache |
| 11:38.19 | LMZ | help me please |
| 11:38.26 | muramasa | Hello everyone! I just started my new Debiansystem for the first time, but I recieve this error while x-server is being iniatilized. "(EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found 1", from the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log. Does anyone know how I could work this out? |
| 11:38.27 | ustunozgur | petemc: ok, let me look further. thank you all. |
| 11:38.44 | jim | ustunozgur: but... it's working :) |
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| 11:38.54 | wols_ | pumpkin0: changing a disk doesn't take 2 months. you DO have backups, right? |
| 11:38.54 | wols_ | cause the data you have on that defective disk is not worth spit anymore. it's useless, unmreliable and a risk. every single second you run it |
| 11:39.01 | jim | maybe not as you intended... but it IS doing something |
| 11:39.41 | jetscreamer | muramasa: vid card ? |
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| 11:40.02 | muramasa | jetscreamer, using a GeForce 8400M GS |
| 11:40.10 | jetscreamer | that's why |
| 11:40.14 | Joelio | hey guys, do you know if there's been a fix released for this kernel exploit on Etch yet ? |
| 11:40.17 | usr_rob_ | anyone that could help me out with the hdparm ( /sbin/hdparm -B255 /dev/sda1 ) |
| 11:40.31 | pumpkin0 | wols_: the disk in umounted and is empty. I'm not worried about that disc, i?m worried about missing something in dmesg. |
| 11:40.36 | jetscreamer | muramasa: xorg doesn't support that with the nv. vesa 'might' work ... |
| 11:40.38 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
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| 11:40.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:40.39 | liable | muramasa: you need to reconfigure x, see if vesa makes it work |
| 11:40.49 | petemc | pumpkin0: grep -v |
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| 11:41.04 | jim | Joelio yeah, waldi released soem kernels that are supposed to have the fix |
| 11:41.13 | muramasa | jetscreamer liable, ah thanks. I will try that :-) |
| 11:41.16 | jetscreamer | muramasa: the other way is #nvidia or http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 11:41.52 | jim | hey I have to configure my initrd tools so installing a linux image pkg produces an initrd image |
| 11:41.55 | jim | how? |
| 11:42.07 | petemc | it should do that already |
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| 11:42.13 | jetscreamer | it's usually automagical |
| 11:42.14 | muramasa | so, it is either vesa or that one. guess I'll try and see, thanks for your help |
| 11:42.22 | Joelio | jim: Any URLs? thanks |
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| 11:42.41 | n1x0n | Joelio: probably http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ ? |
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| 11:43.43 | Joelio | Jim: n1xon: nothing official? |
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| 11:44.03 | jim | Joelio: waldi is the debian kernel guy (well one of them) |
| 11:44.18 | n1x0n | Joelio: not as far as I'm aware |
| 11:44.31 | wols_ | pumpkin0: is there a process trying to access said disk still for some reason? |
| 11:44.33 | wols_ | if not: reboot |
| 11:44.37 | n1x0n | Joelio: I've tested the 2.6.18-686-bigmem which seems to be fine |
| 11:44.38 | jim | no, this is not offical yet, but said to come from him |
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| 11:45.05 | pumpkin0 | wols_: there should be none. smartmontools was the last one to try it. |
| 11:45.05 | jim | petemc: nope, I don't get any initrd |
| 11:45.24 | wols_ | then tell smartmontools to stop its tes |
| 11:45.44 | pumpkin0 | wols_: smartmon is no longer running. |
| 11:45.47 | Joelio | ok chaps, thanks.. might hold off for a few hours and see if it gets pushed to testing or unstable |
| 11:46.00 | wols_ | it doesn't have to "run " to do drive test |
| 11:46.27 | petemc | jim: you're installing a debian kernel from the repos? |
| 11:46.54 | jetscreamer | well supposedly that is controlled by /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 11:47.05 | up_the_irons | question about debian/control (in a source package). I have a source package that has many packages defined in debian/control, but I only want to build one of them with dpkg-buildpackage. How do I do that? |
| 11:47.20 | up_the_irons | by default it is building them all, which is taking forever |
| 11:48.10 | jim | oh ffs... no, and that made me realize what's wrong, I didn't --initrd when I make-kpkgd |
| 11:48.19 | pumpkin0 | wols_: smart is disabled on the drive. And smart cannot access the bus w/o someone from the host calling first. |
| 11:48.21 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 11:48.24 | eth01 | !tell jim about ffs |
| 11:48.38 | jetscreamer | but unless it's for many boxes lose the initrd and compile stuff in |
| 11:48.49 | jetscreamer | buddy! |
| 11:48.51 | jim | emidentally, I knewd that alreayd:) |
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| 11:49.28 | jetscreamer | i'm a frickin elephant |
| 11:49.42 | eth01 | yeah, you're a big guy. |
| 11:49.53 | eth01 | clincally obese, infact. |
| 11:49.54 | liable | o_0 |
| 11:50.04 | jim | why? do you have all these blind doods trying to figure you out? |
| 11:50.08 | eth01 | clinically obese, even |
| 11:50.56 | jetscreamer | and lazy |
| 11:51.46 | eth01 | yes. |
| 11:51.50 | sChaa | hola |
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| 11:52.29 | jetscreamer | should we spam the !br or !es ? |
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| 11:52.38 | jetscreamer | or both? |
| 11:52.41 | eth01 | es. |
| 11:52.58 | jim | wait till he asks something :P |
| 11:53.01 | jetscreamer | com.br |
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| 11:53.59 | jim | the only baaad eeeevil thing he's done so far is say hello :P |
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| 11:54.10 | jetscreamer | !!!!bienvienidos a #debian!!! |
| 11:54.52 | jetscreamer | ! |
| 11:55.42 | jim | hmm, no effect! |
| 11:55.51 | jetscreamer | blather |
| 11:57.07 | jelly | babble |
| 11:57.15 | muramasa | cheers, works now :-) *loves vesa* |
| 11:57.16 | jim | bubble |
| 11:57.28 | jetscreamer | how is discussing whether a guy needs help in english, spanish or portuguese ot? |
| 11:57.38 | jelly | *plonk* |
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| 11:58.18 | jetscreamer | 'note the positive spin' |
| 11:58.19 | jim | he hasn;t said anything other than hello yet... this is all too much... doens't someone have a debian question?! |
| 11:58.41 | jetscreamer | debian 'just works'(TM) |
| 11:58.56 | jetscreamer | there is only pebkac |
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| 11:59.05 | jim | tinp |
| 11:59.22 | streuner | .oO (trouble) :-) |
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| 12:00.22 | jetscreamer | oo is ot |
| 12:01.00 | streuner | !hakadance jetscreamer |
| 12:01.24 | jetscreamer | 0_0 |
| 12:01.47 | jim | NOW I have an initrd |
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| 12:02.00 | jetscreamer | i don't get it, but i get the idea |
| 12:02.27 | jim | do what the hawaiian huna do... when they want something, they bless it |
| 12:02.49 | jetscreamer | gesheundeit |
| 12:02.57 | jetscreamer | sp |
| 12:03.06 | streuner | Gesundheit :-) |
| 12:03.33 | jim | ok time to see if this works |
| 12:03.58 | slept | can I just rm the modules in /lib/modules/2.6.23-1-686/ which I made for my webcam or do I have to do more things to get completly rid of them since they do not work at all ? |
| 12:04.26 | jim | slept: uname -r |
| 12:04.49 | slept | jim, yes it is the kernel i am running |
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| 12:05.16 | jim | so it says 2.6.23-1-686? |
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| 12:05.28 | jetscreamer | they're not loaded they won't hurt anything |
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| 12:05.38 | slept | jim, yes. i compiled m560x-driver from sf but it does not work |
| 12:05.44 | jetscreamer | you'll uninstall that kernel eventually probably |
| 12:05.53 | jim | what happens when you try to insert? |
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| 12:06.06 | jetscreamer | unless you need the hd space.. what, 32kb? |
| 12:06.13 | slept | jetscreamer, the get loaded at boottime |
| 12:06.19 | jim | 4 blocks :) |
| 12:06.34 | jetscreamer | but yeah i've just deleted stuff in there |
| 12:06.34 | jim | so they're loaded now? |
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| 12:07.03 | Enforcer | whats the command to set a files permissions to user |
| 12:07.08 | jetscreamer | but it might mess up the modules.conf et al |
| 12:07.08 | Enforcer | it's set to root at the moment |
| 12:07.13 | slept | jim, I did rmmod |
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| 12:07.28 | jim | ok, so they were in there? :) |
| 12:07.36 | jetscreamer | there's chown and chmod |
| 12:07.42 | jim | and so the loading and unloading went well? |
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| 12:07.49 | jetscreamer | lose that shit Enforcer |
| 12:07.59 | jetscreamer | in here at least |
| 12:09.11 | slept | jim, actually they are in 2 places a friend of mine played with it to get it to work . now they are in htere and in his home and if I read dmesg right it is using things from his home aswell ...to me that looks a bit messed up |
| 12:09.46 | jim | from his home... directory? |
| 12:09.58 | jim | it's not the cleanest thing in the world |
| 12:10.34 | jim | so there are some modules in the /lib/modules/something dir, and there are some modules in /home/him? |
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| 12:10.57 | slept | well where would he put a line to do so, I mean how can i delete that. |
| 12:11.07 | slept | yes |
| 12:11.24 | jim | see if there are things that are the same name |
| 12:11.41 | jmut | hi. I am searching for xinclude binary .... I know I need it for some documentation building. Problem is I cannot find such package or this file at all using apt-file. Any other clue how I can find it. |
| 12:11.42 | jim | did you upgrade your kernel after he made it work? |
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| 12:12.25 | slept | jim,no. the ones in /lib... were made by me and didn't work , thats why I asked if i can just rm them since didn't do so and prefered to put it in his home. |
| 12:12.25 | ich | hallo |
| 12:12.45 | jim | I would think you can |
| 12:12.51 | jim | can you find them all? |
| 12:13.28 | jim | let me see if this works |
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| 12:14.25 | muramasa | Oh, bummer. When I've got the x-server to actually work, the keyboard seems to be failing. Tried different configurations of the keyboard, but none seem to be working. It's a standard swedish keyboard (laptop). Some special configuration I need to make? |
| 12:14.31 | my007ms | any example for use lftp with -c option |
| 12:15.36 | zamuro | http://tinyurl.com/3cjnoa <-- The best news I've ever heard. |
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| 12:17.43 | liable | using tinyurl is an immediate red flag |
| 12:18.12 | zamuro | Why's that, liable? |
| 12:18.38 | liable | because if its debian related at all, there would be no need for tinyurl |
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| 12:18.54 | theholyduck | pluss. you dont know what you're clicking at |
| 12:18.57 | brt3 | Any recommanded in using Debian repositories under Ubuntu or any other Distros thats based on Debian *Which are many distros* ? |
| 12:18.59 | theholyduck | for all we know its /b/ on 4chan |
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| 12:19.22 | beware | it could be LM |
| 12:19.39 | liable | it could be goatse too.. |
| 12:19.43 | beware | LM is much worse |
| 12:20.32 | liable | oh dear, my nerdness has gone insane, when you said LM i thought lkml |
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| 12:20.40 | beware | heh |
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| 12:22.48 | darius12_ | Can I move apt-proxy's cache to approx ? |
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| 12:25.11 | solidnail | what do you do when you can't get someone out of your head? |
| 12:25.25 | muramasa | Any ideas on how to configure x-server to work with a swedish laptop keyboard? Right now, I can only write */+-§5 and two special swedish letters, rest does not work. Tried many different pc10x options.. |
| 12:25.42 | liable | solidnail: you blow it off with a 38 special |
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| 12:26.04 | theholyduck | solidnail, join anonymous? |
| 12:26.10 | theholyduck | and fight CoS? |
| 12:26.59 | solidnail | liable that is not possibe |
| 12:27.02 | solidnail | and illegal |
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| 12:27.21 | theholyduck | well |
| 12:27.24 | theholyduck | youd be dead |
| 12:27.26 | liable | i was talking about your head |
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| 12:27.44 | tralala | in which case it is both possible and leagal |
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| 12:27.58 | tralala | legal |
| 12:28.01 | liable | right, its only illegal if you fail :) |
| 12:28.34 | tralala | liable, it takes one trully losy shooter to fail this one |
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| 12:29.10 | liable | tralala: lots of bad shooters out there. quite a few have survived attempted suicide that way |
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| 12:30.10 | tralala | liable, I guess they haven't really gone for it |
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| 12:30.19 | tralala | I mean _really_ |
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| 12:30.50 | liable | dunno, you can just be unlucky i guess |
| 12:31.32 | tralala | oh, the irony :) |
| 12:31.47 | liable | heh, i was just thinking that when you replied. :) |
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| 12:33.05 | tralala | before discovering any thoughts I don't want to know about |
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| 12:33.34 | gilead | hi |
| 12:34.19 | RichiH | anyone got the CERT numbers for the current root exploit handy? |
| 12:34.58 | tralala | are there any yet? |
| 12:35.05 | liable | i dunno if there are any |
| 12:35.20 | liable | you said you turned it off! |
| 12:35.22 | gilead | I need to locate configuration files used by some app -- how can I monitor all files opened by an application? From what I read people suggest using lsof (unusable since it doesn't catch files that are opened only for a fraction of second) or i/dnotify (unusable, setting it on entire disk looks like bad idea). |
| 12:35.31 | RichiH | hmm, there are CVE numbers |
| 12:35.53 | tralala | liable, ops, my bad! |
| 12:35.56 | Hoxzer | ANybody actually have had working evrouter setup ? |
| 12:36.27 | tralala | gilead, strace |
| 12:36.29 | Jygzygyzel | how do you ask IP-Address from 192.168.0.2? |
| 12:36.32 | Jygzygyzel | with DHCP |
| 12:36.36 | eth01 | yes, dhcp. |
| 12:36.37 | wols_ | gilead: famd? |
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| 12:36.47 | eth01 | manually assigned? |
| 12:36.47 | gilead | ok, checking... |
| 12:36.49 | Jygzygyzel | there is a gateway on the 102.168.0.1 also |
| 12:36.51 | wols_ | Jygzygyzel: man dhclient |
| 12:36.54 | Jygzygyzel | oh ok |
| 12:36.56 | tralala | Jygzygyzel, you cannot ask "from" with dhcp |
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| 12:37.16 | eth01 | you request IPs either automatically, or manually assign them to the NIC. |
| 12:37.28 | Jygzygyzel | or you ask them with DHCP |
| 12:37.38 | liable | ot, i have a white cedar moth infestation, i just walked under the tree and you can actually here poo hitting the ground likes it raining. its a bit freaky.. |
| 12:37.51 | wols_ | you can ask dhcp for a cerain IP. no guaratnee you get it however |
| 12:37.55 | eth01 | you don't "ask" DHCP, you request IP's to be automatically assigned, right. |
| 12:38.04 | Jygzygyzel | well the man dhclient didn't have a nice documentation but i guess its the -s |
| 12:38.11 | Jygzygyzel | [-s server] |
| 12:38.27 | eth01 | if you want the same IP address each and every time you reboot, then you'll want to manually assign IP's... |
| 12:38.33 | liable | dhclient will actually ask the server for its last ip that the server gave it, if its in the old leases file |
| 12:38.53 | Jygzygyzel | i have two DHCP servers on my switch atm |
| 12:38.58 | liable | eth01: you can tell the server to assign it the same ip all the time |
| 12:39.00 | eth01 | you can configure DHCP to automatically and manually assign IP's actually. |
| 12:39.08 | tralala | dhcp doesn't ask a particular server. It sends a broadcast request and the server is whoever replies. |
| 12:39.09 | eth01 | liable, can do. |
| 12:39.28 | eth01 | that's what I do, use both.. |
| 12:39.44 | tralala | but it should be possible to ignore offers from certain servers |
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| 12:39.54 | eth01 | yes, it is. filtering. |
| 12:40.09 | eth01 | MAC filtering |
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| 12:40.30 | eth01 | !tell Jygzygyzel about DHCP |
| 12:40.49 | chairmeleon | can I safely downgrade from sid to etch without reinstalling? |
| 12:41.02 | chairmeleon | sorrty |
| 12:41.06 | chairmeleon | *sid to lenny |
| 12:41.08 | Jygzygyzel | maan this is too hard |
| 12:41.13 | eth01 | you can, but it's not recommended. |
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| 12:41.49 | chairmeleon | eth01: why not? |
| 12:41.54 | enouf | Jygzygyzel: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 12:42.20 | Jygzygyzel | if i have like two gateways should they have different netmaks? |
| 12:42.23 | Jygzygyzel | netmasks |
| 12:42.42 | Jygzygyzel | they are both using the 192.168.0.??? area |
| 12:42.53 | Jygzygyzel | i don't think that will work on the same netmask |
| 12:43.15 | eth01 | umm, they'll conflict... |
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| 12:43.30 | Jygzygyzel | indeed |
| 12:43.39 | eth01 | you want 2 different subnets, and 2 different gateways |
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| 12:44.00 | eth01 | consider joining #networking |
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| 12:47.02 | jim | almost worked |
| 12:47.26 | jim | it did boot, forgot my nvidia driver, switched back to nv |
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| 12:48.12 | jim | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:48.13 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 12:48.49 | phatmonkey | is security.debian.org dead or something? my apt updates have been getting stuck for the last couple of days |
| 12:49.15 | enouf | no |
| 12:49.19 | gilead | wols_, tralala: thanks guys, that worked but the whole idea of monitoring files was broken :( |
| 12:49.42 | gordonjcp | random question of the day, is phpdocumentor in Debian? |
| 12:49.49 | gordonjcp | and if so, what's it called? |
| 12:50.17 | phatmonkey | oh, it's ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 12:50.51 | themill | gordonjcp: no it's not, but it's only one php file that you can download yourself |
| 12:50.59 | gordonjcp | fairy nerf |
| 12:51.10 | gordonjcp | is it non-DFSG or something? |
| 12:51.22 | enouf | RichiH: the numbers are CVE-2008-0600 {0009|0010} |
| 12:51.28 | themill | gordonjcp: IIRC it's under the PHP licence which is a stupid licence for anything other than PHP itself. |
| 12:51.54 | gordonjcp | themill: PHP is pretty stupid, let's be honest |
| 12:52.36 | jim | it's supposed to be getting better (the language designers are said to be learning something) |
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| 12:54.53 | themill | gordonjcp: yeah well... I have my own opinions of PHP and the way 4->5 was handled. But they are neither polite nor on topic here... |
| 12:56.18 | gordonjcp | themill: I've just resigned over a PHP4->PHP5 migration |
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| 12:56.23 | gordonjcp | literally in the past half-hour |
| 12:56.56 | wols_ | themill: do you know what's most scary? php _does_ get better over time |
| 12:57.02 | themill | gordonjcp: Sounds drastic. (BTW phpdoc is available through pear too) |
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| 12:57.12 | gordonjcp | ie. I've been saying for *six months* "we need to fix the PHP4 dependant code, and only use 5 for new-build stuff" |
| 12:57.21 | gordonjcp | and they don't want to move from PHP4 at all if they can help it |
| 12:57.38 | gordonjcp | me personally, I'd sack PHP altogether and use Django |
| 12:57.45 | themill | wols_: Which bit improves? the language, the development process, the community that surrounds it? |
| 12:58.02 | slept | Jygzygyzel, you can use the reject option, look at man dhclient.conf |
| 12:58.44 | wols_ | themill: mainly the language |
| 12:59.04 | themill | gordonjcp: php has it's place -- it is a good language for a lot of things. But there's no point in supporting php4 stuff any more as php4 won't even be getting security patches soon. Pity the migration process is non-trivial for anything more than echo "hello world"; |
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| 13:00.24 | jim | !nvidia |
| 13:00.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:00.29 | themill | wols_: true. But there's some horrible problems with the php-devs pretending that all php4 code can run under php5 when it blatantly can't. If you were starting with a clean slate, then you're ok. |
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| 13:01.16 | slept | at what point / where does gdm decide not to use the screen sections i specified and instead use something stupid for the second display ? I find this a bit strange that there are different places to "configure" the xserver |
| 13:01.19 | themill | wols_: Actually, the problem I have is the same as I find with perl sometimes.... there are just too many functions/keywords in the language. |
| 13:01.30 | wols_ | moved my own (crappy) php4 code over to php, didn't have a problem |
| 13:01.33 | wols_ | but it's a small thing |
| 13:01.53 | wols_ | the design of php is simply atrocious |
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| 13:03.08 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a way to have middle click not paste? |
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| 13:06.36 | solidnail | how do you do a repetitive task? |
| 13:07.03 | pengwyn | http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ <- is there a PUBLIC KEY for this anywhere? |
| 13:07.24 | pengwyn | (for the Apt error) |
| 13:07.28 | themill | wols_: The problem is when you're passing around objects... php5 changed from pass-by-value to pass-by-reference (and the meaning of = changed in the same way). So small stuff was fine; big, heavy object-using code bad. |
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| 13:09.52 | wols_ | oh yes, I took one look at php4 OO and ran away so back then, no OO for me :) |
| 13:10.09 | pengwyn | gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu -recv-keys E3149E535CBF9C78 |
| 13:10.17 | wols_ | with php5 I started some OO. on reason to go php5 was OO |
| 13:10.29 | wols_ | solidnail: you script it |
| 13:12.20 | solidnail | whois is it good to become excellent listener? and how can i become excellent listener? |
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| 13:13.17 | liable | solidnail: #debian isn't a replacement for your psychiatrist |
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| 13:15.42 | jim | solidnail: one way... listen only to what is. |
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| 13:16.06 | jim | not your interpretation of it |
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| 13:18.26 | pengwyn | cat sha256sum.asc | gpg --import |
| 13:18.26 | pengwyn | == No valid OpenPGPdatafound |
| 13:18.26 | brt3 | Anyone could suggest if i should use Debian-Lenny? |
| 13:18.44 | jim | why do you want to? |
| 13:18.52 | SlayerXP | brt3: no, you shouldn't |
| 13:19.05 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: my middle-click doesn't |
| 13:19.20 | brt3 | I want to have my x3100 working + my wireless intel 3945 to works |
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| 13:19.30 | enouf | slept: try /msg dpkg xsession for some possible info |
| 13:19.35 | solidnail | jim how do you mean |
| 13:19.37 | brt3 | it looks like their isnt any distro around supporting them :\ |
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| 13:20.05 | jim | solidnail: what's the difference between something you sense and something you feel |
| 13:20.21 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: $ grep Emu /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:20.21 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.29 | enouf | i think that kills it |
| 13:20.35 | slept | enouf, actually it works fine when I do startx - I get 2 well sized screens ... |
| 13:20.37 | solidnail | jim you can make loud enough bang so i can feel and sense at the same tiume? |
| 13:20.52 | GhostlyDeath | enouf: ah thanks |
| 13:21.39 | slept | enouf, GhostInTheShell it will keep the paste functionality when you emulate the middle button - I love this feature |
| 13:21.45 | jim | solidnail: a sensation is a feeling without a story attached |
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| 13:22.05 | enouf | slept: i think the factoid mentions amongst other things, /etc/X11/xinit, /Xsession.d, /xinitrc, etc .. also, you might want to look at /etc/gdm/gdmconf ? (i don't use gdm) |
| 13:22.23 | HSorgYves | i want to add a personal *.desktop file, why aren't the ones in $HOME/.local/share/applications not considered by GNOME? |
| 13:22.29 | solidnail | jim are oyu talking abou physics |
| 13:22.38 | enouf | GhostlyDeath: i paste using both right+left at the same time |
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| 13:23.24 | jim | not exactly. I'm talking about interpreting versus not interpreting |
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| 13:23.36 | themill | !tell brt3 about ipw3945 |
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| 13:23.48 | pengwyn | welp, the packages are signed with a key that isn't available 5CBF9C78 (I'll sort it out) |
| 13:24.02 | enouf | liable: nor the meds that psych dispenses ;-) |
| 13:24.32 | brt3 | lol , i though debian should be more opend to open sourced programs and using iwl3945 , but anyway |
| 13:24.49 | brt3 | which one of these i should get http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ;) |
| 13:24.50 | philth_ | What are the best options to mount a nfs share that isn't available all the time? I am using defaults,soft but when I access the folder when the share isn't avaliable it hangs for a long time. |
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| 13:25.09 | liable | enouf: unfortunately :) |
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| 13:25.55 | solidnail | jim so i listen without a story? |
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| 13:26.12 | jim | you listen without constructing your own story |
| 13:26.28 | solidnail | jim why? |
| 13:26.33 | jim | because |
| 13:26.33 | liable | maybe #debian is becoming a replacement |
| 13:26.37 | jim | that is "what is" |
| 13:26.44 | liable | missed the emphisis |
| 13:27.13 | jim | and because you stated you want to become an excellent listener |
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| 13:27.30 | solidnail | jim i can hear other poeple bang doors and i can feel the shake from the door baning . the floe moves and walls shake |
| 13:27.32 | enouf | HSorgYves: maybe you should try #gnome, or irc.gnome.org ? |
| 13:27.38 | elky | solidnail, you're aware this isnt just some channel to crap on in, right |
| 13:27.42 | solidnail | jim ceailing cracking |
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| 13:28.01 | Noboru | hi guys,if i run /etc/init.d/mysql start three times,it will lanche 3 mysqld in total ? |
| 13:28.08 | solidnail | elky define crap on i |
| 13:28.10 | wols_ | solidnail: do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:28.22 | wols_ | Noboru: no |
| 13:28.23 | enouf | ppl please - learn and employ your b0z0 algorithm ;-) |
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| 13:28.28 | Guerin | solidnail: crap: n. what solidnail talks, constantly. |
| 13:28.35 | HSorgYves | enouf: tryed ##gnome, no answer, will try their irc server, thx |
| 13:28.37 | Guerin | solidnail: there you go. |
| 13:28.47 | enouf | remember; ignorance is bliss, but /ignore is heavenly :-) |
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| 13:29.04 | Noboru | wols_, so whatever i run it many times,it will actually run it once ,as well as we run /etc/init.d/mysql start once ? |
| 13:29.11 | liable | haha |
| 13:29.18 | elky | enouf, to be blunt; we shouldnt have to. |
| 13:29.20 | wols_ | Noboru: it depends on the daemon, usually yes |
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| 13:29.32 | ^shark_ | what is the default IPsec stack for etch? |
| 13:29.37 | Noboru | wols_, i am on etch,so ? |
| 13:29.40 | enouf | elky: i concur, especially in certain situations |
| 13:29.43 | wols_ | running several mysql instances with the same config is neithre deisrable nor possible |
| 13:29.51 | liable | Guerin: shit the bed? or on a bender? |
| 13:30.06 | Guerin | liable: just got back from leg 1 of the roadtrip |
| 13:30.08 | brt3 | Can someone here gives me a link to download debian (ONLY ONE CD) weither it is 650 MB (liveCD) or the NETWORK one , Things on Debian.org is misleading me :S |
| 13:30.09 | Noboru | wols_, deisrable ? |
| 13:30.13 | liable | ah |
| 13:30.13 | jim | if it's not possible, how do you know whether it's desirable? |
| 13:30.16 | wols_ | *desirable |
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| 13:30.27 | Dazgar1 | hi everyone |
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| 13:30.28 | Guerin | liable: 3846km in 9 days, waiting for the washing machine to finish so I can sleep :) |
| 13:30.41 | Guerin | liable: and heading out on leg 2 tomorrow |
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| 13:30.42 | liable | Guerin: driving from one end to the other makes you stay up this late? ;) |
| 13:30.51 | wols_ | jim: cause if you did, you'd waste memroy. mysql can deal with more than one DB at a time |
| 13:30.59 | Dazgar1 | can somebody tell me the difference between xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 and xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-686 please ? |
| 13:31.06 | ^shark_ | how can i find the default IPsec stack in etch |
| 13:31.10 | Noboru | wols_, i don't understand that word, the resolution is, what i just did,there is actually 1 mysql running right ? |
| 13:31.15 | wols_ | !vserver |
| 13:31.15 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
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| 13:31.20 | enouf | Dazgar1: one has vserver support |
| 13:31.24 | Noboru | conclution * |
| 13:31.25 | wols_ | Noboru: yes |
| 13:31.30 | liable | Guerin: htf can you do that many k's over there? |
| 13:31.35 | Noboru | wols_, Thanks :) |
| 13:31.44 | Dazgar1 | enouf: ok, thanks so the real question what is vserver ? |
| 13:31.45 | Dazgar1 | :) |
| 13:31.49 | wols_ | liable: driving in circles |
| 13:31.59 | liable | obviously |
| 13:32.04 | enouf | Dazgar1: dpkg told the channel above ^^^^^^ |
| 13:32.07 | wols_ | Dazgar1: read the factoid until you grok it. have fun |
| 13:32.14 | Guerin | liable: surprisingly easily. Lots of small roads. And that's just the south island. |
| 13:32.19 | Dazgar1 | ;) |
| 13:32.24 | Dazgar1 | thanks guys |
| 13:32.28 | Guerin | liable: our roads aren't straight like yours |
| 13:32.40 | ^shark_ | !msg dpkg ipsec |
| 13:32.43 | Guerin | anyway, ztime |
| 13:32.45 | brt3 | anyone could give me a link for i386 (Live cd for debian) or the ones where i could downooad it from net? |
| 13:32.46 | Guerin | g'night |
| 13:32.50 | liable | Guerin: yah, i know lots of mountains and shit, but thats a fuckload of driving |
| 13:33.03 | eth01 | !tell brt3 about downloading |
| 13:33.08 | enouf | ^shark_: use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 13:33.09 | wols_ | !livecd |
| 13:33.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 13:33.13 | eth01 | oh damn |
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| 13:33.28 | brt3 | ... |
| 13:33.37 | clusty | what sort of programs does one use to view tcpdump files? |
| 13:33.37 | ^shark_ | enouf: thanks |
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| 13:33.49 | wols_ | clusty: a pager |
| 13:33.52 | eth01 | programs? |
| 13:33.54 | niere | clusty: tcpdump :) |
| 13:33.59 | eth01 | debian isn't windows :P |
| 13:34.10 | clusty | eth01, mercy |
| 13:34.18 | eth01 | :) |
| 13:34.50 | liable | eth01: i hate that channel, and i dont really care for tomorrows rundown.. :P |
| 13:34.53 | brt3 | at lest someone please give the dam .ISO that it seems i cant find it at debian.ORG and YES i know Debian dont have a live cd , i am talking about the one where i can download .debs from internet! |
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| 13:34.55 | clusty | don;t drop kick me |
| 13:34.56 | liable | elky: ^^ |
| 13:35.04 | solidnail | iis it wise to always listen or occasionally? |
| 13:35.04 | clusty | noobs have the right to live |
| 13:35.19 | elky | liable, it's been through a change. it's not festy anymore |
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| 13:35.34 | enouf | brt3: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 13:35.44 | brt3 | ok :) |
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| 13:36.12 | jim | brt3: what you running now? |
| 13:36.46 | eth01 | liable, eh, what chan? |
| 13:36.50 | brt3 | here is the list of what i used in these 2 days |
| 13:37.00 | jim | solidnail: see if you can listen to yourself without interpretation |
| 13:37.04 | liable | eth01: wrong nick, ignore |
| 13:37.26 | clusty | can i be in love with a proggie? |
| 13:37.26 | clusty | :D |
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| 13:37.39 | jim | well maybe with a froggie |
| 13:37.41 | clusty | snort is greatest thing since bread came sliced |
| 13:37.53 | brt3 | Fedora 8 -64 => CentOS 5= > Ubuntu -64 => Hardy Heron - 64 => openSuse 10.3 -64 - > Ubuntu - 32 |
| 13:37.55 | clusty | together with fail2ban |
| 13:38.12 | clusty | all those ewul haxorz can FOAD now |
| 13:38.12 | clusty | :D |
| 13:38.24 | solidnail | jim then that listening has no mean becasue i am not learning anything jit's going in one ear and out the other |
| 13:38.26 | solidnail | ? |
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| 13:39.10 | jim | if it's going in one and out the other, then you're right, you're wasting time, but why? because you aren't actually listening |
| 13:39.11 | enouf | yes, it's called being a member of the sheeple population |
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| 13:40.35 | jim | try actually listening |
| 13:40.55 | elky | jim, you're only going in one huge circle with him |
| 13:41.11 | wols_ | jim: run a turing test |
| 13:41.16 | wols_ | if you can't ignore the troll |
| 13:41.20 | brt3 | jim , whats the wrong with you and him? :) |
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| 13:41.38 | wols_ | brt3: stop it |
| 13:41.50 | brt3 | I didnt say any things ;) |
| 13:42.17 | wols_ | you're feeding a troll. keep at your debian install. much better for your sanity |
| 13:42.20 | solidnail | jim can you not listen when you can hear? can people beat you up for listeing when you can hear? |
| 13:42.30 | solidnail | jim it happened to me |
| 13:42.31 | wols_ | hwy did you change distros so much recently btw? any special reason? |
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| 13:42.53 | liable | !typosmite wols_ |
| 13:43.04 | jim | so you're afraid of listening because of something that happened |
| 13:43.21 | brt3 | lol wols , only if you knew thats i like much feedring the troll thats the first place why i talked ;) , but my friend just called me |
| 13:43.25 | jim | that's something that you have to resolve |
| 13:43.26 | brt3 | i have to go , cya guys :P |
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| 13:43.57 | solidnail | jim yes and that guy looks alert and wants to hit me if i ever get cought listening |
| 13:44.20 | liable | wtf |
| 13:44.26 | solidnail | is it ok to have my 2 eyes wierd and not parrellal? |
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| 13:44.59 | solidnail | is it ok to have my 2 eyes wierd and not parrellal? |
| 13:45.04 | jim | let's cut to the chase... why are you asking that |
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| 13:45.21 | elky | jim, because he's a troll. ignore him please |
| 13:45.36 | wols_ | solidnail: do you have a debian question? |
| 13:46.08 | solidnail | jim i am scared it look sugly or i scare or threaten them. police said that |
| 13:46.17 | wols_ | !ops please make solidnail behave |
| 13:46.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: please make solidnail behave |
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| 13:48.33 | azeem | jim, solidnail: please keep it on topic |
| 13:48.36 | kloeri | solidnail: please stick to the channel topic |
| 13:48.48 | Crypticfortune | i suspect this question has been asked about a zillion times today, but re: bts 464953: now that the upstream kernel is patched, when can we be expecting updates on security.debian.org? |
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| 13:49.10 | azeem | Crypticfortune: ASAP I guess |
| 13:49.10 | wols_ | !wir |
| 13:49.10 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:49.23 | streuner | !dbugs 464953 |
| 13:49.27 | dpkg | #464953:[linux-2.6] linux-2.6: mmap() local root exploit; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:33:02 UTC |
| 13:49.30 | solidnail | kloeri azeem how ould that benefit me? |
| 13:49.35 | solidnail | more or less? |
| 13:49.36 | jim | Crypticfortune: when it happens... meanwhile waldi has some 2.6.18 kernels patched |
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| 13:49.44 | metasyntax | is there a difference right now between using the 'testing' and 'lenny' tags in apt/sources.list? |
| 13:49.47 | azeem | solidnail: it would benefit the channel, which is more important |
| 13:49.56 | wols_ | metasyntax: no |
| 13:49.59 | azeem | solidnail: if you don't want to keep it on topic, please leave |
| 13:49.59 | troubled | kloeri: that is our rogers kline dodger btw |
| 13:50.02 | solidnail | azeem more important than me? |
| 13:50.07 | troubled | kloeri: ihatewhitewomen guy |
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| 13:50.15 | streuner | Crypticfortune: DSA is soonish finsih, just look at the bugreport itself, search what "ari" mentioned |
| 13:50.16 | kloeri | troubled: nod |
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| 13:51.35 | streuner | Crypticfortune: http://134.2.34.20/blank/debian/linux-2.6/ |
| 13:51.48 | nhlinux | How do I configure Debian to load iptables and my rule set at boot? |
| 13:51.50 | metasyntax | wols_: cool, thanks |
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| 13:52.25 | jim | nhlinux: start with apt-get install iptables |
| 13:52.27 | enouf | kloeri: good job, he's been asking for it with his/her useless drivel |
| 13:52.34 | Crypticfortune | jim/streuner: cool, thanks |
| 13:52.45 | nhlinux | it's already installed |
| 13:53.07 | jim | nhlinux: then look at the script in /etc/init.d/iptables |
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| 13:53.40 | jim | see what it sources |
| 13:53.43 | nhlinux | This is Debian Etch, BTW |
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| 13:54.24 | wols_ | nhlinux: man iptables-save man iptables-restore |
| 13:54.25 | nhlinux | IIRC, iptables is started with the /etc/network/if-up-down.d scripts |
| 13:54.26 | troubled | enouf: actually, he's been causing you guys problems for months under about 50 different nicks |
| 13:54.51 | wols_ | nhlinux: it can be, doesn't have to |
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| 13:55.34 | troubled | enouf: CPE*-CM00194757ed42.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com is all him. i suggest a perm ban, but thats not my call. plus he comes in without dns frequently |
| 13:55.43 | enouf | troubled: sure, paid trolls are chameleons |
| 13:56.04 | wols_ | paid trlls? |
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| 13:56.14 | enouf | Mpoop minions |
| 13:56.19 | wols_ | who'd pay trolls? #debian has enemies who pay? where can I sign up? |
| 13:56.30 | enouf | see redmond |
| 13:56.45 | wols_ | don't be ridiculous |
| 13:56.54 | streuner | unimportant for them |
| 13:57.05 | nhlinux | First things first, I don't have a /etc/init.d/iptables script |
| 13:57.13 | streuner | trolls exist, you dont need to pay them :-) |
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| 13:57.27 | jim | yeah, I don['t either; you're right, something else does it |
| 13:57.28 | enouf | grow up? get a grip? learn how life really works? |
| 13:57.35 | wols_ | streuner: damn you. I need the money! |
| 13:58.08 | liable | wols_: i think gnaa is always looking for members, they prolly pay |
| 13:58.11 | streuner | dude, you are annoying enough without paying :-) |
| 13:58.24 | wols_ | liable: even I have some standards I can't go under |
| 13:58.26 | enouf | he finally just got kicked in ##linux too |
| 13:58.45 | wols_ | streuner: but think of it, I then could get PAID for it! |
| 13:58.49 | troubled | i think he is working on 6 or 7 previous klines actually |
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| 13:58.53 | jim | how does life work other than fuck, birth, death? |
| 13:59.15 | liable | i think #3 is actually profit? |
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| 14:00.59 | jim | wols_: then at least you'd find out who'd pay |
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| 14:01.49 | Jygzygyzel | omg i can't belive this |
| 14:02.00 | Jygzygyzel | now that im trying to test my adverise and popup blocker |
| 14:02.05 | Jygzygyzel | i can't seem to find any =D |
| 14:02.18 | jim | works pretty good, don't it? |
| 14:02.33 | Jygzygyzel | well.. |
| 14:02.44 | Jygzygyzel | im searching them with a computer that does not have it |
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| 14:03.28 | jim | you mean caught adware viruses? |
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| 14:05.18 | ukh | wow. appears the fix for BTS 464945 hit the mirrors now :-) |
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| 14:06.05 | liable | !dbugs 464945 |
| 14:06.10 | dpkg | DONE:#464945:[linux-2.6] linux-image-2.6.18-6-686: Exploit for vmsplice work for linux-image-2.18-5-686 (CVE-2008-0009/10); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:21:01 UTC |
| 14:06.19 | liable | for etch? |
| 14:06.25 | ukh | yeah |
| 14:06.27 | streuner | sure |
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| 14:06.42 | Jygzygyzel | privoxy |
| 14:06.47 | Jygzygyzel | blocks stuff |
| 14:07.09 | liable | damn, i need a >23 for my etch box, but i am too lazy to compile one, woulda thought the sid kernels would be done quickly.. |
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| 14:07.34 | streuner | liable: unstable is pretty soon finish too |
| 14:07.50 | wols_ | it's a _local_ root exploit right? |
| 14:07.55 | streuner | liable: but etch was prior 1, of course |
| 14:07.57 | vin` | yes |
| 14:08.00 | Crypticfortune | ukh: as a binary? i don't see it... |
| 14:08.03 | liable | streuner: good |
| 14:08.06 | liable | wols_: yeah |
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| 14:08.45 | themill | liable: You realise that 2.6.24 doesn't play nicely with etch's acpi stuff? |
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| 14:09.12 | streuner | themill: it runs like a charm here on my laptop :-) |
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| 14:09.32 | streuner | with unstable |
| 14:09.33 | themill | streuner: only if you recompile it yourself |
| 14:09.39 | liable | themill: nope, i have currently a 23, but i dont care so much for acpi anyway |
| 14:09.40 | streuner | not etch... |
| 14:09.45 | themill | streuner: ahh... on sid. |
| 14:10.04 | themill | liable: fair enough. Some of us run laptops and like knowing how much battery is left :) |
| 14:10.26 | wols_ | themill: unneeded luxuries :) |
| 14:10.33 | themill | heh |
| 14:10.34 | liable | themill: its a headless box, only runs a few daemons |
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| 14:10.58 | Ferenoid | hi |
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| 14:11.15 | xk | !dbugs |
| 14:11.17 | dpkg | error: could not parse |
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| 14:11.27 | Ferenoid | Is it possible to put a openoffice software running on a debian box and use the same openoffice by client computers? |
| 14:11.29 | streuner | xk: you need a # |
| 14:11.51 | xk | !dbugs 31337 |
| 14:11.58 | dpkg | #:N[] ; |
| 14:12.05 | abrotman | xk: you've been hiding! |
| 14:12.08 | streuner | !dbugs 464953 |
| 14:12.09 | liable | oops |
| 14:12.14 | dpkg | #464953:[linux-2.6] linux-2.6: mmap() local root exploit; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:33:02 UTC |
| 14:12.15 | wols_ | Ferenoid: yes. you can share /usr via NFS |
| 14:12.19 | smacnay | Is debian dropping a lot of the multimedia apps? |
| 14:12.32 | wols_ | smacnay: why would it? |
| 14:12.40 | liable | smacnay: yes, they can be found at debian-multimedia |
| 14:12.48 | xk | abrotman: ;) |
| 14:12.56 | Ferenoid | wols_: but how is it possible to use it remotely for example by windows-pc? |
| 14:13.02 | PriitM | hi! My ESSID consists of 2 words, but iwconfig tells me that unrecognised wireless request 'second word of my ESSID' |
| 14:13.17 | wols_ | Ferenoid: not possible Debian and windows are different OSes and use different kinds of binaries |
| 14:13.32 | liable | PriitM: are you putting it in quotes? |
| 14:13.33 | Ferenoid | that's a problem then |
| 14:13.37 | wols_ | PriitM: try word1\ word2 |
| 14:13.40 | PriitM | liable, no |
| 14:13.44 | PriitM | wols_ i'll try it out |
| 14:13.47 | liable | PriitM: try that |
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| 14:13.56 | wols_ | "\ " eascap your whitespace with \ |
| 14:13.58 | liable | quotes i mean.. |
| 14:14.02 | DarenM | yea definatelty quotes. |
| 14:14.14 | DarenM | def need those for double word |
| 14:14.14 | PriitM | ahh, thanks. \ was the problem :) |
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| 14:14.29 | Ferenoid | wols_: I was wondering to create a system where all the software were ran on a centre server and our employers would just have client pc's which connects to the server and use the software the server has |
| 14:14.37 | Ferenoid | ever heard of this? |
| 14:14.44 | wols_ | sure. it's called a fileserver |
| 14:14.46 | smacnay | wols_, I don't know why, that is why I asked. |
| 14:14.59 | smacnay | liable, so the debian-multimedia will still keep going? |
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| 14:15.07 | themill | Ferenoid: "terminal server" is what you're looking for |
| 14:15.13 | Ferenoid | terminal server eh? |
| 14:15.14 | wols_ | smacnay: mainly legal reasons, many multimedia things are patented (codecs for example) |
| 14:15.15 | liable | Ferenoid: citrix is one such example |
| 14:15.15 | Ferenoid | googletime |
| 14:15.19 | liable | smacnay: yep |
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| 14:15.32 | themill | Ferenoid: look at the ltsp |
| 14:15.35 | liable | Ferenoid: but you need client software to run the server apps |
| 14:15.39 | wols_ | themill: a terminal server actaully runs the stuff on the server. all he asks for is loading it from the server |
| 14:15.48 | Ferenoid | no |
| 14:15.55 | Ferenoid | I want to run the stuff on the server |
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| 14:16.05 | wols_ | ok, then ltsp is what you need |
| 14:16.13 | Ferenoid | ltsp? |
| 14:16.21 | wols_ | !ltsp |
| 14:16.21 | dpkg | ltsp is, like, the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 14:16.40 | liable | is that like citrix for linux? |
| 14:16.47 | wols_ | sorta |
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| 14:16.53 | DarkFoxDK | Hi, is there any way i can get unixODBC-dev without x11? |
| 14:17.08 | liable | stupid fucking work makes the whole goddam company do everything through citrix, its a huge pain in the ass |
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| 14:17.16 | xk | hmm... has anyone had software raid (md) actually wear out (iow: make unreadable) a particular location on a harddrive? |
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| 14:17.32 | wols_ | xk: makes no sense |
| 14:18.03 | gordonjcp | xk: unlikely |
| 14:18.11 | gordonjcp | you can't really "wear out" a particular spot on a hard disk |
| 14:18.15 | xk | well |
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| 14:18.39 | wols_ | gordonjcp: you can, easily. hdds go bad all the time. but it has nothing to do with it being in a md raid or not |
| 14:18.43 | xk | how would you explain 75% of the harddrives having a particular spot on the harddrive unreadable? |
| 14:19.00 | wols_ | xk: bad hdd batch |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | sunspots! |
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| 14:19.00 | niere | xk: same manufacturer? |
| 14:19.09 | gordonjcp | wols_: you can wear out a drive, just not a particular bit |
| 14:19.11 | xk | niere: yeah. |
| 14:19.30 | xk | weirdly enough, the 147gig scsi harddrives (2 servers) don't suffer from this "issue" |
| 14:19.33 | abrotman | xk: you've been watching the same pr0n over and over on a striped array! |
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| 14:20.05 | wols_ | abrotman: is that a hairy palms variation for the computer age? |
| 14:20.08 | xk | the errors happen ~200 KB around the partition boundary of the most used partition. |
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| 14:20.44 | wols_ | xk: md usage is usage like any other. nothing special |
| 14:20.48 | xk | hmm |
| 14:20.57 | niere | xk: how much do the serial numbers of the bad drives differ? |
| 14:21.03 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! Can anyone tell when KDE4 is going to be in testing or at least unstable? |
| 14:21.11 | wols_ | !kde4 |
| 14:21.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html, or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 14:21.17 | niere | xk: might be a bad batch, as wols_ mentioned |
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| 14:21.37 | xk | niere: serial # is all over the place. |
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| 14:22.37 | DarkFoxDK | KDE4 got some nifty stuff but... "meh" |
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| 14:23.28 | xk | niere: would excess heat (lack of A/C from time to time) cause this issue? |
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| 14:23.56 | xk | the only other pattern is that version "0004" seems affected... but 0003 is fine... aswell as 0005 (only one of them though... so cannot conclude anything there) |
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| 14:24.32 | xk | Would excess heat (lack of A/C from time to time) indirectly cause this issue? |
| 14:24.45 | xk | or it's just a crappy batch of drives? |
| 14:24.47 | liable | doesnt seem likely |
| 14:24.50 | vsayikiran | does gnomebaker support multisession disk in dvds |
| 14:24.55 | liable | crappy drives, more likely |
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| 14:25.27 | vsayikiran | does gnomebaker support multisession dvd disk, if yes please give me tips for that |
| 14:25.43 | Dazgar1 | vsayikiran: try brasero |
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| 14:25.59 | dbmoodb | how can i reset permission is /var/log - i screwed them up |
| 14:26.08 | liable | vsayikiran: dont see why not, surely its just a tick in a box somewhere |
| 14:26.11 | dbmoodb | did a recursive chmod 755 |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | that's bad |
| 14:26.49 | dbmoodb | i know |
| 14:27.17 | dbmoodb | is there a way to do it easily ? |
| 14:27.28 | vsayikiran | liable: where is that tick in a box please show me |
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| 14:27.38 | DarkFoxDK | I know its impolite to repeat yourself, but it seems noone even noticed me... is there any way i can get unixODBC-dev without x11? |
| 14:27.44 | liable | vsayikiran: i dont have gnome so i cant tell you |
| 14:28.01 | abrotman | dbmoodb: 755 is right for /var/log/ itself .. it's everything underneath |
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| 14:28.09 | dbmoodb | i know that |
| 14:28.16 | vsayikiran | liable: can i write using K3B in gnome? |
| 14:28.22 | dbmoodb | i hit -R by accident |
| 14:28.24 | liable | vsayikiran: yes |
| 14:28.35 | abrotman | how do you hit - and R by accident? |
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| 14:28.47 | liable | vsayikiran: it will pull in some qt libs, but so what.. |
| 14:28.47 | vsayikiran | liable: i dont have to install KDE for that |
| 14:29.15 | abrotman | vsayikiran: you'll have to install some kdelibs |
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| 14:29.17 | dbmoodb | i went up one thing - one line and forgot to remove the -R |
| 14:29.19 | liable | vsayikiran: a few bits, not the whole lot |
| 14:29.49 | abrotman | dbmoodb: do you need what is in the actual logs ? |
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| 14:31.05 | dbmoodb | ah not really arotman |
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| 14:31.12 | dbmoodb | why can i just clear them out |
| 14:31.14 | Ferenoid | A small discussion,, which one is better for virtualizing a server, XEN or VMware? |
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| 14:31.24 | dbmoodb | ? |
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| 14:31.24 | DarkFoxDK | VMware |
| 14:31.25 | dbmoodb | !virtualbox |
| 14:31.26 | dpkg | methinks virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/, or #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 14:31.26 | DarkFoxDK | imho |
| 14:31.27 | dbmoodb | !xen |
| 14:31.28 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:31.42 | vsayikiran | liable: what is the size of k3b package in your KDE |
| 14:31.49 | Ferenoid | DarkFoxDK: why is that? |
| 14:32.08 | liable | vsayikiran: apt-cache show will show you |
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| 14:32.26 | DarkFoxDK | VMware just seems more stable, and further developed |
| 14:32.27 | Ferenoid | DarkFoxDK: Can vmware provide swap space for virtual machines? |
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| 14:32.38 | liable | vsayikiran: or if you go to install it, before you hit y, it will show how much space it will use |
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| 14:33.03 | dbmoodb | so can i can just clear /log ? |
| 14:33.06 | dbmoodb | var/log* |
| 14:33.15 | abrotman | dbmoodb: FWIW .. most logs are 644 or 640 |
| 14:33.27 | dbmoodb | i have set them that way atm |
| 14:33.35 | nextime | Hello. Latest xorg in sid, trying to dpkg-reconfigure it i get a dexconf error (xserver-xorg/config/device/driver not set. Aborting. Reconfigure the X server). How can i solve that? |
| 14:33.50 | vsayikiran | liable: that i know but i want to see how much size does it occupy in KDE |
| 14:34.04 | liable | vsayikiran: i have no idea |
| 14:34.09 | abrotman | dbmoodb: so what's the problem ? |
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| 14:34.35 | Ferenoid | hmm |
| 14:34.38 | dbmoodb | ah can i reset them to what they were before |
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| 14:34.39 | dbmoodb | easily |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | or delete them and restart the service which should make a new one |
| 14:35.02 | dbmoodb | oh.... |
| 14:35.05 | Ferenoid | VMware has a free version right? It's not possible to install it trough apt-get? |
| 14:35.10 | abrotman | or run logrotate |
| 14:35.19 | clusty | Ferenoid, you can get vmplayer |
| 14:35.26 | clusty | its freeware |
| 14:35.30 | dbmoodb | logrotate sounds like the go |
| 14:35.35 | dbmoodb | !free |
| 14:35.35 | dpkg | i heard free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 14:35.37 | clusty | if you register with vmware |
| 14:35.40 | Ferenoid | vmplayer? |
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| 14:35.43 | clusty | yes |
| 14:35.57 | Ferenoid | sounds like some media player |
| 14:35.58 | clusty | http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ |
| 14:36.02 | abrotman | can /etc/hosts do a wildcard? |
| 14:36.08 | clusty | well it aint :D |
| 14:36.14 | clusty | i am using it right now :D |
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| 14:36.30 | clusty | with this you canmt modify the VM |
| 14:36.46 | clusty | like add harddrives/CPUs and blah |
| 14:37.01 | clusty | there is no deb for it |
| 14:37.05 | Ferenoid | ok |
| 14:37.06 | clusty | but it works just fine |
| 14:37.11 | Ferenoid | does it have a homepage? |
| 14:37.19 | clusty | i sent you place to get it |
| 14:37.25 | clusty | should be self explanatory |
| 14:37.26 | Ferenoid | oh |
| 14:37.29 | Ferenoid | sry |
| 14:37.39 | clusty | if you do it within 1h i can still help you oput :D |
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| 14:38.22 | Ferenoid | I'm still wondering which one I should start using, XEN or VMware, XEN has a deb |
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| 14:38.49 | clusty | does xen have direct3d for windows? |
| 14:38.50 | Ferenoid | clusty, can that player be used remotely? |
| 14:39.04 | clusty | if you forward X |
| 14:39.04 | clusty | :D |
| 14:39.05 | Ferenoid | clusty: I will run only linux servers on it |
| 14:39.14 | sep | Ferenoid, xen or vserver |
| 14:39.20 | clusty | dunno really |
| 14:39.22 | Ferenoid | clusty: I couldn't get the X work :> |
| 14:39.26 | Ferenoid | sep? |
| 14:39.36 | clusty | i am too lazy to reboot in win every time |
| 14:39.40 | clusty | thats why i use it |
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| 14:40.28 | Ferenoid | sep? Which one would you choose to learn, XEN or vserver? |
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| 14:41.01 | sep | Ferenoid, depends on you needs. usualy i'd say both since you might then choose witch one to use depending on the case |
| 14:41.14 | sep | now food :) afk |
| 14:41.15 | Ferenoid | hmm k |
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| 14:41.42 | Ferenoid | sep: if you have the time, throw a couple of things of both softwares in which they are better than the other :> |
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| 14:43.01 | jim | Ferenoid: pick one, play with it... read its docs, learn, play some more, switch to the other, repeat. |
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| 14:43.31 | Ferenoid | oki |
| 14:43.44 | Ferenoid | we need OS level virtualization surely, I think I will start with XEN |
| 14:44.05 | PriitM | has anyone else had trouble setting managed mode in iwconfig? I can only go auto and ad-hoc. Using ndiswrapper and rtl-8185 chip |
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| 14:45.01 | Ferenoid | actually vserver seems to have better documentation and help |
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| 14:45.48 | heanol | xen is great once you get it working properly. |
| 14:45.53 | heanol | there's alot quirks, though |
| 14:46.26 | clusty | any1 know whats the default way to access postgresql on a deb sys? |
| 14:46.46 | heanol | sudo -u postgres psql |
| 14:46.50 | heanol | or something.. |
| 14:46.54 | dbmoodb | ah removing /var/log wasn't such a good idea |
| 14:46.59 | jim | with postgresql-clients |
| 14:47.08 | dbmoodb | - how do i use logrotate to get some new logs :) |
| 14:47.09 | joltcan | clusty: read /usr/share/doc/postgresql/README.Debian (or whatever the document is called) |
| 14:47.58 | Ferenoid | heanol: just to make sure, it's possible to get OS-level virtualization with XEN righty? |
| 14:48.13 | heanol | Ferenoid: what do you mean? |
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| 14:48.21 | chops | Ferenoid: It is |
| 14:48.21 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: you'd usually "use" it by having it called by cron |
| 14:48.22 | jim | if your cpu has the flag set |
| 14:48.30 | dbmoodb | ah ok will wait for that then |
| 14:48.31 | chops | Ferenoid: That's what it's designed for |
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| 14:49.02 | chops | dbmoodb: Does remaking /var/log not work for you? |
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| 14:49.09 | dbmoodb | sorry ? |
| 14:49.11 | dbmoodb | remaking ? |
| 14:49.13 | onur | Hi. How can i lock any packege to installed version like synaptic's do? I don't find this man pages. |
| 14:49.21 | chops | dbmoodb: sudo mkdir /var/log |
| 14:49.22 | dbmoodb | well most of the log files are there i guess:) |
| 14:49.25 | dbmoodb | sudo ? |
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| 14:49.27 | dbmoodb | !ubuntu |
| 14:49.28 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 14:49.31 | chops | !tell dbmoodb about sudo |
| 14:49.36 | dbmoodb | i know about sudo |
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| 14:49.57 | dbmoodb | !tell chops about moo |
| 14:50.04 | chops | dbmoodb: You may have to make some subdirectories of /var/log, of course... using apt-get to reinstall the appropriate packages should make those directories again also |
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| 14:50.13 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 14:50.16 | Phil4 | is it possible for 2 users to share a home dir? |
| 14:50.30 | chops | Phil4: It is, though it may be inadvisable |
| 14:50.33 | dbmoodb | like what chops / |
| 14:50.43 | chops | dbmoodb: apache, samba, exim, mailman, mysql |
| 14:50.44 | DarkFoxDK | I know its impolite to repeat yourself, but it seems noone even noticed me... is there any way i can get unixODBC-dev without x11 via apt-get??? |
| 14:50.58 | dbmoodb | dpkg-reconfigure enough ? |
| 14:51.03 | chops | dbmoodb: All of those will want their own subdirectories of /var/log and may break without them |
| 14:51.07 | chops | dbmoodb: Probably not |
| 14:51.13 | dbmoodb | testing it now |
| 14:51.14 | Phil4 | chops, it's for mutliple FTP users who all need access to the same set of files |
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| 14:51.42 | chops | Phil4: Better to configure ftpd to serve all the files out of a non-home directory for those users IMHO |
| 14:52.04 | chops | DarkFoxDK: Why does it want to install x11? |
| 14:52.10 | dbmoodb | apache: could not open error log file /var/log/apache/error.log. |
| 14:52.10 | dbmoodb | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.11 | dbmoodb | invoke-rc.d: initscript apache, action "start" failed. |
| 14:52.11 | Phil4 | alright, chops |
| 14:52.11 | Phil4 | thanks |
| 14:52.13 | dbmoodb | i see |
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| 14:52.33 | chops | dbmoodb: Right, so aptitude reinstall apache |
| 14:52.47 | chops | dbmoodb: (or aptitude --reinstall install apache2) (can't remember which) |
| 14:52.54 | dbmoodb | apache here |
| 14:53.14 | liable | apache-common |
| 14:53.31 | dbmoodb | ah good point liable - had this done before |
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| 14:53.47 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: dpkg -L package | grep var/log might help |
| 14:54.03 | dbmoodb | sure |
| 14:54.10 | Bushmills | grep "var/log/" probably better |
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| 14:54.21 | liable | it wont show as they are dynamically generated |
| 14:54.30 | dbmoodb | really ? |
| 14:54.41 | Yonixxx | hello, how do i check opened port on my server debian and how i open (3306) |
| 14:54.43 | Bushmills | the dynamically generated ones, i suppose, will be dynamically re-generataed |
| 14:54.44 | liable | ie, not part of the original package at install |
| 14:54.52 | dbmoodb | apt-get install nmap |
| 14:54.56 | dbmoodb | !nmap |
| 14:54.56 | dpkg | somebody said nmap was a Free Software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. http://www.insecure.org/nmap or don't do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. popular by the clueless to audit computers they could and should just run 'netstat -plunt' on. |
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| 14:55.15 | wols_ | Yonixxx: you "Open" it by making something listen there |
| 14:55.26 | liable | Yonixxx: you open the port by installing a service that listen on it |
| 14:55.32 | wols_ | in your case by editing the mysql config file |
| 14:55.36 | liable | !open ports |
| 14:55.36 | dpkg | hmm... open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 14:55.40 | liable | bah |
| 14:55.46 | liable | !closed ports |
| 14:55.53 | liable | double bah |
| 14:56.22 | Yonixxx | does that mean 3306 is open : tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 21500/mysqld |
| 14:56.23 | wols_ | Yonixxx: note that making mysql listen on a public interface is an invitation to get owned usually. so do it on your own risk |
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| 14:56.33 | wols_ | Yonixxx: there is a reason mysql doesn't listen there by default |
| 14:56.38 | abrotman | Yonixxx: that means it's listening on lo |
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| 14:56.57 | Yonixxx | ok |
| 14:57.25 | Yonixxx | point is that when i check it says "port not accepting" |
| 14:57.43 | chops | Yonixxx: Listening on lo means it will not be accessible from other hosts |
| 14:57.52 | chops | Yonixxx: Only from the local machine |
| 14:57.59 | Yonixxx | AH ! |
| 14:58.03 | liable | some bastard must have deleted that factoid |
| 14:58.08 | Yonixxx | ok i want it accessible from the outside |
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| 14:58.21 | chops | Yonixxx: Reconfigure mysql to listen publically, then |
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| 14:58.27 | abrotman | liable: it wsa there yesterday |
| 14:58.35 | abrotman | !closing ports |
| 14:58.35 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | that one? |
| 14:58.40 | liable | abrotman: yeah, my bad, its still there |
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| 14:59.20 | ethan961 | language,bot! |
| 14:59.36 | liable | eh? |
| 14:59.59 | wols_ | ethan961: what the fuck do you mean? |
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| 15:00.12 | ethan961 | haha |
| 15:00.21 | chops | http://pastebin.com/mf6b451f to see the results of a portscan on a RH"E"L box after I disabled the firewall there, foolishly thinking that firewalls were wrong things to run on a server |
| 15:00.50 | Yonixxx | ok guys tks... yes i'm a newbee... :) on my way to dig in the server |
| 15:00.55 | dbmoodb | why do you want a firwall on a server ? |
| 15:01.01 | chops | The server in question got bonus points for locking me out of ssh when I re-enabled the firewall I had disabled, requiring physical console access in order to fix |
| 15:01.02 | wols_ | chops: nice christmas tree |
| 15:01.08 | chops | dbmoodb: You don't |
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| 15:01.22 | chops | dbmoodb: Or rather, _I_ don't. |
| 15:01.22 | dbmoodb | fire* |
| 15:01.32 | avtobiff | chops dbmoodb, why not? |
| 15:01.42 | dbmoodb | why does he need it ? |
| 15:01.45 | liable | kinda pointless having services you cant access because of a firewall |
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| 15:02.19 | dbmoodb | no well you just don't have them on the wrong interfaces :) ssh to access insecure ones |
| 15:02.44 | dbmoodb | ....yuck enforcer |
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| 15:03.33 | Yonixxx | ok found the mysql config (my.cnf)... what do i have to change there to make 3306 open for this outside world |
| 15:03.34 | Yonixxx | ? |
| 15:03.52 | dbmoodb | to the right interface ? |
| 15:03.57 | Yonixxx | bind-address = % |
| 15:03.58 | Yonixxx | ? |
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| 15:04.18 | wols_ | Yonixxx: it'S a classical case of "people who have to ask shouldn't do it" |
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| 15:04.31 | Yonixxx | lol.... that's me ! :D |
| 15:04.39 | kunsi | Yonixxx: comment bind-address |
| 15:04.42 | Yonixxx | ok |
| 15:05.41 | Yonixxx | should i restart something ? |
| 15:06.12 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:06.18 | dbmoodb | restart restart the service i hope you mean |
| 15:06.25 | dbmoodb | !restart |
| 15:06.25 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 15:07.19 | Yonixxx | Guys ! it works !!!! i love you all... from one of the "people who have to ask shouldn't do it"... but always do it ! :) |
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| 15:08.05 | dbmoodb | is there a term for some of us |
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| 15:08.29 | dbmoodb | - when i -R ;) |
| 15:08.35 | dbmoodb | !clown |
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| 15:09.21 | Yonixxx | take care u all bye |
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| 15:09.57 | clusty | Ferenoid, made your choice? |
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| 15:10.47 | liable | i hope he only has that server running requests n the lan |
| 15:10.51 | liable | on |
| 15:11.50 | dbmoodb | bit late for that |
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| 15:12.18 | dbmoodb | /whowas Yonixxx |
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| 15:14.17 | EarlyT | Anyone else runing "Unstable" having issues with Xorg lately? |
| 15:14.48 | dbmoodb | he seems to have the port filtered so - must be running it on his lan :) (good thing too) |
| 15:15.28 | liable | where does it show that? |
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| 15:16.27 | dbmoodb | i nmaped the guy ? |
| 15:16.30 | abrotman | !tell EarlyT about bts |
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| 15:17.32 | liable | ok |
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| 15:23.01 | chops | avtobiff: It's pointless complexity. If you don't want a service accessible non-locally, don't bind it to non-local interfaces. If you don't want a service accessible at all, don't run it. |
| 15:23.28 | cloakable | heh, true. |
| 15:23.29 | chops | avtobiff: There's no point in running a service on a port and depending on a separate thing to block access to it on that port, because you don't really want it accessible where it's listening. |
| 15:23.30 | avtobiff | if i dont have ... non-something? |
| 15:24.09 | avtobiff | so if i have something accessble locally then bind it to local if:s? |
| 15:24.17 | avtobiff | all your negations confuse me :-( |
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| 15:24.45 | possie | when upgrading from mysql-server 4.0 to mysql-server 4.1 debian package, does it auto upgrade all my databases to 4.1 or do i need to manually reimport stuff? |
| 15:24.46 | dbmoodb | he is saying allow access to services as you need and only as you need. |
| 15:25.09 | dbmoodb | without using a firewall - that is all - no real magic |
| 15:25.47 | cloakable | :D |
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| 15:25.54 | cloakable | Yup |
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| 15:26.21 | krinns | hi all |
| 15:26.28 | krinns | i cant do su on my debain machine |
| 15:26.34 | abrotman | why not? |
| 15:26.36 | dbmoodb | really why not ? |
| 15:26.37 | krinns | nstall Data:: Dump |
| 15:26.47 | krinns | it says su permission denied |
| 15:26.55 | krinns | what should i check for? |
| 15:27.01 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 15:27.02 | dbmoodb | what |
| 15:27.19 | abrotman | krinns: on etch? |
| 15:27.24 | krinns | yes |
| 15:27.41 | eth01 | uh |
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| 15:27.59 | dbmoodb | what is the data::dump you are referring too? |
| 15:28.18 | petemc | krinns: did you check for a debian package? |
| 15:28.23 | krinns | sorry thats my mistake |
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| 15:28.37 | krinns | petemc for what package |
| 15:28.39 | mike1o | is there a way to tell epiphany which plugin to use for accessing media files? |
| 15:28.44 | petemc | krinns: thats a perl module? |
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| 15:28.52 | abrotman | petemc: can't 'su' |
| 15:28.53 | krinns | its by mistake |
| 15:28.54 | krinns | man |
| 15:28.57 | petemc | oh, right |
| 15:29.03 | krinns | any idea |
| 15:29.08 | abrotman | krinns: any other stuff acting strange ? |
| 15:29.09 | dbmoodb | !perl |
| 15:29.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, perl is the Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister, or confusing as hell to learn but quite powerfull if you know how to use it, or see http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ or #perl |
| 15:29.14 | krinns | no |
| 15:29.15 | krinns | oh |
| 15:29.18 | peppe | data::dump and data::dumper are perl modules |
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| 15:29.35 | psykin | Alguem portugues? |
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| 15:30.49 | ^shark_ | has anyone installed openswan before...? i have a questions and i dont seem to get a response in the #openswan channel |
| 15:30.55 | linuxfreck | dpkg: tell psykin about br |
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| 15:31.08 | psykin | [linuxfreck]: ok man.. thks :D cya later |
| 15:31.13 | abrotman | krinns: i386 etch ? |
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| 15:31.35 | abrotman | krinns: md5sum `which su` .. returns what? |
| 15:31.40 | krinns | yes |
| 15:31.43 | problemkind | can i use a lexmark x2315 printer/scanner with etch? |
| 15:32.05 | SlayerXP | problemkind: yes, you have our permission to do so. |
| 15:32.15 | krinns | c80fc747e24fa8bfa099cbef0bfb926f /bin/su |
| 15:33.01 | abrotman | krinns: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 15:33.02 | abrotman | erm |
| 15:33.04 | abrotman | krinns: ls -l /bin/su |
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| 15:33.35 | problemkind | SlayerXP Does it work? |
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| 15:35.11 | krinns | c80fc747e24fa8bfa099cbef0bfb926f /bin/su |
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| 15:35.20 | krinns | i have no idea |
| 15:35.25 | krinns | what the is for |
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| 15:35.38 | peppe | krinns: do you type the RIGHT password? :P |
| 15:35.43 | abrotman | krinns: ls -l /bin/su |
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| 15:36.15 | cloakable | su should be set sticky ;/ |
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| 15:36.21 | tribalero | hi guys. can u tell me how to get working flash player on iceweasel |
| 15:36.37 | krinns | in auth log it says pam_authenticate: Permission denied |
| 15:36.44 | enouf | selinux? |
| 15:36.44 | krinns | what this mean |
| 15:36.55 | wols_ | !flash |
| 15:36.55 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 15:36.57 | krinns | FAILED su for root by user |
| 15:37.01 | enouf | apparmor on *buntu? |
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| 15:37.10 | zinx | tribalero: install it? |
| 15:37.14 | tribalero | yeah |
| 15:37.25 | tribalero | but blank on opera |
| 15:37.30 | tribalero | and iceweasel |
| 15:37.34 | zinx | tribalero: i mean, install it. |
| 15:37.40 | tribalero | yes |
| 15:37.46 | zinx | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 1:1.3 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 15:37.48 | tribalero | it's installed |
| 15:37.54 | wols_ | tribalero: dpkg -l |grep flash |
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| 15:38.20 | tribalero | ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:1.2 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 15:38.23 | zinx | tribalero: installing it should be all that's required |
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| 15:38.29 | mike1o | tribalero, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla |
| 15:38.32 | zinx | tribalero: well, apart from restarting the browser |
| 15:38.41 | tribalero | =)) |
| 15:38.45 | enouf | epiphany sucks for that .. but likely a symlink only issue |
| 15:38.49 | tribalero | it's done |
| 15:38.50 | krinns | yes peppe |
| 15:38.54 | enouf | flash is shit anyways |
| 15:38.55 | tribalero | but not working |
| 15:38.58 | peppe | tribalero: 1:1.2?? the latest version is 9.0! |
| 15:39.00 | slidesinger | Does debian have a decent large scale network monitoring tool? |
| 15:39.08 | tribalero | :D |
| 15:39.19 | joltcan | slidesinger: Monitor what? |
| 15:39.22 | zinx | peppe: flashplugin-nonfree is an installer thingie |
| 15:39.25 | peppe | tribalero: what the hell did you install? |
| 15:39.27 | enouf | netmon, etherape come to mind, not to mention cacti, and that other one |
| 15:39.28 | tribalero | this is from packages flashplugin-nonfree |
| 15:39.39 | zinx | tribalero: did you check http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer ? |
| 15:39.47 | tribalero | i've install from adobe the source too |
| 15:39.49 | peppe | zinx: yes, of course, but its version number is kept in sync with the flash plugin version |
| 15:39.52 | peppe | ii flashplugin-nonfree 9.0.115.0.1 Adobe Flash Player plugin installer |
| 15:39.52 | tribalero | but no luck |
| 15:39.54 | peppe | for instance.. |
| 15:40.02 | enouf | heh, using /usr/local/bin 1st |
| 15:40.22 | slidesinger | joltcan: servers primarily, : up, down, service state, ip traffic, etc. |
| 15:40.25 | peppe | tribalero: where the hell does that package come from? |
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| 15:40.30 | krinns | helo |
| 15:40.33 | joltcan | slidesinger: cacti and nagios is nice |
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| 16:07.08 | enouf | you would need to know the pkgname, my bad slip there |
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| 16:07.22 | chops | enouf: No worries |
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| 16:08.21 | esaym | anyway to extract the contents of an rpm without installing alien? |
| 16:08.49 | chops | esaym: I think rpm comes as a Debian package; there are probably arguments to it that mean "unpack contents into current directory" |
| 16:09.06 | chops | esaym: Though the last time I tried to use rpm on a Debian system all it did was complain that I needed to install alien |
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| 16:09.13 | enouf | !debtakeover |
| 16:09.13 | dpkg | i heard debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 16:09.28 | enouf | er .. whoops |
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| 16:10.58 | yang | Are the patches going to be applied for the kernel bug, which was recently discovered ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464953 |
| 16:11.06 | chops | yang: They already are |
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| 16:11.27 | msshams | chops: i use this line in my sources.list: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 16:11.27 | msshams | but i get previous error again. |
| 16:12.04 | chops | msshams: Can you pastebin the output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list' and 'aptitude update; aptitude install sun-java5-plugin'? |
| 16:12.19 | chops | msshams: (I guess it's possible that java5 is dropped from lenny in favor of sun-java6-plugin) |
| 16:13.01 | yang | chops: it requires a new kernel upgrade? |
| 16:13.07 | chops | yang: It does |
| 16:13.24 | yang | chops: i dont see the changes coming in lenny... |
| 16:13.37 | chops | yang: Lenny may be different; I'm not sure what's going on there |
| 16:13.52 | abrotman | yang: no update for lenny yet .. but lenny shouldn't be a mission critical box |
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| 16:14.55 | msshams | chops: see this: http://phpfi.com/295803 and this: http://phpfi.com/295804 please |
| 16:15.42 | chops | !info sun-java5-plugin testing |
| 16:15.46 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: (The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 16:15.54 | abrotman | msshams: are you on amd64 or i386 ? |
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| 16:16.24 | msshams | abrotman: amd64 |
| 16:16.35 | jelly | enouf: I wonder if one could debtakeover ubuntu |
| 16:16.37 | chops | msshams: Ah, there's your problem then |
| 16:16.45 | chops | msshams: I believe you'll have to set up a chroot |
| 16:16.52 | chops | msshams: Google 'debian java chroot' |
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| 16:17.12 | enouf | jelly: heh .. hey! i just got some spam in my email from none other than a "jelly" .. hehe |
| 16:17.14 | msshams | chops: what is this? |
| 16:17.27 | abrotman | enouf: that's KY .. |
| 16:17.32 | chops | (11:16:40 AM) chops: msshams: Google 'debian java chroot' |
| 16:17.35 | muramasa | Anyone knows if I need to make some special configuration to get a swedish laptop keyboard to work inside of x-server? It works perfectly in the shell or such, but as soon as x-server initializes it stops working apart from these few keys: + - * § 5 ä ö. I've tried different pc10x settings without getting any luck. |
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| 16:17.38 | msshams | :D |
| 16:17.47 | enouf | ahh .. spectacularly lubular |
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| 16:18.53 | enouf | muramasa: xmodmap sw .. no good? |
| 16:19.11 | enouf | eww.. a craptop, nm |
| 16:19.39 | yang | abrotman: what do you mean mission critical ? |
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| 16:20.45 | msshams | chops: i think that i must use package for i386 on amd64 with "debian chroot". it's ok? |
| 16:20.46 | cahoot | muramasa: setxkbmap -layout se doesn't do it? |
| 16:20.55 | sander_m | Hello. I have some general networking trouble here. n00b stuff. Can I ask it here? I've been googling around for a netwkoing IRC channel but all I find is sites explaining IRC to me :-) |
| 16:20.56 | chops | msshams: That's right, yes |
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| 16:21.17 | abrotman | yang: is it a server? |
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| 16:23.21 | muramasa | cahoot, well, I'm new to linux, but doesnt that just change what I choosed in the x-server configuration? I'll try it though :-) |
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| 16:23.49 | msshams | chops: if i can download binary file for amd64 from sun website problem is solve? |
| 16:23.52 | cahoot | muramasa: just for testing purposes |
| 16:23.52 | themill | sander_m: If you're using debian, ask away. If we think you should ask somewhere else, we'll point you in that direction. |
| 16:24.15 | sander_m | themill: Thanks. I'm using Debian everywhere. Desktop and server :-) |
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| 16:25.16 | frog | hi, i try to reconfigure xserver with: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. but i am not asked about auto-detection of the graphics card. i am only asked if i want to turn on the framebuffering. after that i am asked about keyboard config. the monitor config doesn'n appear neither. how can i reach the goal and change graphic card configuration. |
| 16:25.18 | chops | msshams: You could try... you won't get support here for that, though. Interestingly enough, the sun java5 packages _are_ in Debian for amd64, just not the -plugin package (I'm not sure why). |
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| 16:26.11 | sander_m | I have a trivial home network: one desktop, one server, one VOIP phone and my ADSL modem all plugged in a simple Gigabit smart switch. The ADSL modem also does DHCP. My problem: I can't find my switch. It works. It's switching packets. I just can't find it's IP address anywhere not connect to the web interface. |
| 16:26.24 | \amethyst | chops: probably because the mozilla plugin ABI is different between 386 and amd64, and sun has not ported their plugin to the 64-bit ABI |
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| 16:27.12 | chops | \amethyst: Ah, makes sense. |
| 16:27.22 | patrick-- | can someone tell me where the imagemagick config files are located? my imagemagick wont work, and i get those errors: http://phpfi.com/295811 |
| 16:27.25 | chops | msshams: So that would imply that the sun java packages won't give you a working plugin either. |
| 16:28.07 | abrotman | frog: -plow maybe .. leave the BusID blank |
| 16:28.15 | sander_m | When I traceroute from my desktop to my server or vice-versa then the hop over the switch does not show. How can I find my switch? |
| 16:29.10 | \amethyst | You might be able to use nspluginwrapper to use the 32-bit java plugin, but there's not really any easy way to install a 32-bit java on amd64 debian. So running the browser and java under a linux32 chroot might be the best way |
| 16:29.29 | chops | sander_m: Switches speak ethernet, not TCP/IP -- IP packets don't use up a hop when traversing them |
| 16:29.45 | chops | \amethyst: There is an ia32-sun-java5-bin package for amd64 |
| 16:30.06 | chops | \amethyst: I don't know if that includes the plugin, of course |
| 16:30.08 | sander_m | chops: Any other Linux tool that can help me find my switch? |
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| 16:30.32 | \amethyst | chops: hmm, it doesn't include the plugin, but it's a start |
| 16:30.39 | chops | sander_m: Why do you want to "find" your switch? What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 16:31.12 | frog | abrotman: as i said, i am not asked about graphic card settings at all(i am not asked about BusID). plow doesnt fix it for me... |
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| 16:31.29 | abrotman | frog: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg .. doesn't ask you ? |
| 16:32.05 | frog | abrotman: no |
| 16:32.14 | sander_m | chops: I am trying to find out it's IP address eventually. The switch doesn't show in my DHCP server's client table. But it's happily switching packets nonetheless. Can a (managed) switch switch packets when it's not part of the network? |
| 16:32.22 | enouf | muramasa: and chops - i apologize once again for my brainfarting, i did also mean "* setxkbmap se for Sweden." .. not xmodmap |
| 16:32.33 | abrotman | frog: hrm .. not sure .. it must be a dep of xorg ... |
| 16:32.35 | Kevin` | sander_m yes, it can. |
| 16:32.59 | \amethyst | sander_m: the switch sees only ethernet packets... it usually doesn't participate in the IP layer |
| 16:33.02 | sander_m | Kevin`: Thanks. I didn't know that. |
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| 16:33.35 | capulet | which is more oss friendly... xfx or evga? |
| 16:33.40 | \amethyst | sander_m: unless it has support for SNMP or some other kind of remote management |
| 16:33.43 | frog | abrotman: ok, thx |
| 16:33.53 | sander_m | \amethyst Except for the web interface that provides access to the managed goodies such as VLAN, QoS and all that I presume? |
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| 16:34.23 | \amethyst | sander_m: yes, if it has a web interface, then it probably does have an IP address |
| 16:34.31 | \amethyst | capulet: those are both nvidia chipsets? then it shouldn't make a difference |
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| 16:34.51 | tzanger | good morning |
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| 16:35.03 | sander_m | I have a feeling that the switch may still have the default IP of 192.168.0.x while my network is 192.168.1.x |
| 16:35.16 | enouf | frog: your graphics card is likely broken |
| 16:35.36 | enouf | or, you're missing the xorg modules/pkgs |
| 16:35.36 | sander_m | Can I just set a 192.168.0.x fixed IP address on my Desktop, then plug it into the switch and try to access the default IP? |
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| 16:36.17 | \amethyst | sander_m: sounds like it should work |
| 16:36.39 | enouf | frog: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all (IIRC) |
| 16:37.42 | sander_m | Thanks. What's the easiest way to do that in Debian? Just edit /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 16:38.58 | chops | sander_m: That should work, yes |
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| 16:39.05 | sander_m | Thanks. I'll be back! |
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| 16:42.41 | iateadonut | which apache do i choose to install on debian? |
| 16:42.56 | chops | iateadonut: apache2-mpm-prefork is probably the best |
| 16:43.17 | chops | iateadonut: If you don't have a specific reason for wanting a different one |
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| 16:44.51 | ManuP | hi guys. i need some help with internet connection sharing. My Desktop has 2 lan ports. one is connected with router, the other with notebook. how do i let the notebook access the internet (somehow over destktoppc of course). |
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| 16:45.15 | chops | ManuP: The most general way is to configure a bridge on your desktop |
| 16:45.23 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 16:45.23 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 16:45.24 | ManuP | eth0 is coonected with internet, eth1 is connected with notebook. |
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| 16:45.32 | ManuP | chops: how do i do this? |
| 16:45.52 | sander_m | Thanks all. I got my switch back :-) I told it to use DHCP but somehow it didn't find my DHCP server so it stayed on the default address. I have it a fixed IP now. |
| 16:46.10 | chops | ManuP: In /etc/network/interfaces (assuming that you use eth0 and eth1 and DHCP from the router): |
| 16:46.16 | chops | iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 16:46.22 | chops | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.25 | chops | ... that's it. |
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| 16:46.51 | chops | That'll resend ethernet traffic that comes in on eth0 to eth1 (if appropriate; i.e. if it's not destined for your local system), and vice versa |
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| 16:47.37 | chops | ManuP: You should also remove any IP configuration associated with eth0 and/or eth1, and set eth0, eth1, and br0 all to come up automatically ("auto br0 eth0 eth1") |
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| 16:48.05 | nextime | Hello. Isn't there a way to make dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to DON'T use dexconf and ask about wich driver to use and so on? |
| 16:48.06 | chops | ManuP: Er... no, it looks like it should only be "auto br0", not eth0 or eth1 |
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| 16:48.13 | cloakable | And you'll never be able to send traffic from the host on those ports. |
| 16:48.23 | Nyle | 18F outside |
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| 16:48.23 | Nyle | damn |
| 16:48.34 | chops | ManuP: Search on google for more information on bridging |
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| 16:49.00 | wols_ | nextime: -plow |
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| 16:49.09 | Nyle | nextime: hmm maybe specify which priotiry to use like low for no questions |
| 16:49.18 | nextime | wols_ : i try, thanks |
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| 16:49.21 | Nyle | there is even lower than low, i think its critical i can't remember the order |
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| 16:49.31 | Nyle | low, medium, high, critical i think |
| 16:49.32 | wols_ | man dpkg-configure then |
| 16:49.33 | Nyle | nm |
| 16:49.34 | ManuP | chops: thanks so far for the informations. |
| 16:49.40 | nextime | Nyle : no, specifing -phihg isn't enough |
| 16:49.40 | chops | ManuP: np |
| 16:49.41 | Nyle | wols_: yeh.. lazy |
| 16:49.41 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:49.45 | themill | !tell tomfmason about root |
| 16:49.49 | Nyle | nextime: I know |
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| 16:50.30 | ManuP | chops: where do i get the br0 device from? was this the config-part in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:50.48 | chops | ManuP: Yeah. |
| 16:51.26 | ManuP | chops: one more thing: i only connected Desktop and Notebook and both got an ip. why did they get it automatically? i dindt run dhclient or even dhserver (?). |
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| 16:51.57 | chops | ManuP: You don't need to do anything else that I know of to set up the bridge (although you might have to install the bridge-utils package before directives like that in /etc/network/interfaces function properly) |
| 16:52.14 | chops | ManuP: What IPs did they get? This is before setting up the bridge, right? |
| 16:52.25 | ManuP | i would like to give static ips to desktop and notebook so that i can access the other pc. |
| 16:52.47 | justin | ManuP: were the ips they got 169.254 ? |
| 16:52.50 | Manfre | is it possible to switch a system from i386 to amd64 without reinstalling? |
| 16:53.07 | chops | ManuP: Ah, okay. So do 'iface br0 inet static' and configure the interface as you would normally eth0 or eth1 (and likewise on the laptop) |
| 16:53.07 | nextime | uhmm |
| 16:53.09 | ManuP | justin: absolutely right, yeah |
| 16:53.15 | nextime | even with -plow isn't work |
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| 16:53.20 | nextime | it uses dexconf. |
| 16:53.21 | chops | ManuP: (And as I said, be sure not to give IP addresses to the eth0 or eth1 interfaces on the desktop) |
| 16:53.31 | Nyle | that it will regardless i think |
| 16:53.31 | justin | ManuP: local ip auto configuration, likely due to avahi |
| 16:53.39 | Nyle | nextime: what do you want |
| 16:53.43 | chops | ManuP: Those IPs are the IPs that interfaces get when they can't get an IP address any other way |
| 16:53.47 | Nyle | er.. why do you want what you want nextime |
| 16:53.49 | justin | ManuP: you should even be able to connect to foo.local where 'foo' is the hostname of the machines |
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| 16:53.57 | Nyle | nextime: you can easily change /etc/X11/xorg.conf if you want |
| 16:54.14 | pingouin | when i want to umount /something i got an error : device is busy , but i have nothing connected on. How can i know what/which process still on it ? |
| 16:54.26 | chops | pingouin: lsof |
| 16:54.42 | chops | Manfre: no |
| 16:54.48 | Manfre | :( |
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| 16:55.00 | chops | Manfre: :-( |
| 16:55.11 | nextime | Nyle : yes, I can, but my monkeys cannot |
| 16:55.27 | Nyle | nextime: lock em in a cage and call it a day |
| 16:55.48 | Nyle | you're going to try to do what evolution took millions of years to do |
| 16:55.51 | ManuP | justin: at the moment, i cant access. i even cant access the apache server running on the notebook with the ip... |
| 16:55.54 | Nyle | that is, teach monkeys to use computers. |
| 16:55.57 | Nyle | c'mon man |
| 16:56.01 | pingouin | chops: thanks |
| 16:56.02 | Nyle | have some more sense than that ;) |
| 16:56.07 | chops | pingouin: np |
| 16:56.45 | ManuP | chops: what do i need to restart to see effects of the changed interfaces-file? /etc/init.d/netwirking? |
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| 16:57.09 | chops | ManuP: That should work, yes |
| 16:57.20 | ManuP | brb |
| 16:57.23 | Manfre | what are the effects of using an amd64 kernel on an i386 install? |
| 16:57.23 | enouf | kill avahi-daemon , imho, and stop it from restarting |
| 16:57.32 | nextime | Nyle : i'm not working on a my installation or for installations that i will administer, i'm workin on a debian derivated that i distribute in a specific environment, and i also don't know on which hw it will run, so, i make the best that i can to "autoconfigure" things, but in some cases i need to permit users to reconfigure xorg easly as possibile |
| 16:57.59 | chops | Manfre: It should just work (TM) |
| 16:58.05 | Nyle | nextime: well good luck with all that |
| 16:58.05 | Manfre | heh |
| 16:58.18 | laz0r | hi, I just pulled the latest linux-sources with debian patches, and I am wondering if the vm_splice local root exploit is already patched in those? |
| 16:58.30 | Nyle | yet? |
| 16:58.33 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:58.42 | nextime | Nyle : i want just to have what dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg has ever done before, ask which driver to use. |
| 16:58.44 | laz0r | i did look at the source, it looks like it |
| 16:58.47 | Manfre | it is working right now....simple me thought that apt-get of the amd64 kernel would magically do everything |
| 16:59.04 | Nyle | nextime: it should ask for it anyway |
| 16:59.10 | laz0r | but i have no real clue, i have a patch, and the sources, it looks very similar, but there are subtile differences |
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| 16:59.22 | nextime | Nyle : it don't ask |
| 16:59.24 | Nyle | nextime: -p low means that even the lowest priority questiosn need your input |
| 16:59.27 | \amethyst | laz0r: which linux-source ? |
| 16:59.31 | Nyle | which include asking which driver to use |
| 16:59.48 | nextime | Nyle : yes, but it don't seem to be enought |
| 16:59.50 | Nyle | I usually delete xorg.conf, touch it, and drxx |
| 16:59.54 | laz0r | \amethyst, 2.6.18 |
| 16:59.55 | kenjy | hi guys, I have one process running and it have more than 24 hours running, ps aux say that the state of the process its S ( Interruptible sleep (waiting for an event to complete)) |
| 17:00.00 | kenjy | how can I know what its waiting for? |
| 17:00.00 | Nyle | nextime: which debian release? |
| 17:00.05 | nextime | Nyle : sid |
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| 17:00.17 | laz0r | \amethyst, from the current debian stable |
| 17:00.19 | kenjy | is there a way to change the stat of the process? |
| 17:00.31 | \amethyst | laz0r: is it version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-17etch1 ? |
| 17:00.50 | enouf | man debconf |
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| 17:01.08 | laz0r | \amethyst, 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 |
| 17:01.13 | enouf | bingo |
| 17:01.43 | \amethyst | hm is -18etch1 out I guess? |
| 17:01.44 | enouf | !+dbugs 464945 |
| 17:01.48 | dpkg | DONE:#464945:[linux-2.6] linux-image-2.6.18-6-686: Exploit for vmsplice work for linux-image-2.18-5-686 (CVE-2008-0009/10); Sun, 10 Feb 2008 00:21:01 UTC |
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| 17:02.02 | chops | laz0r: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.18-8-686/changelog.Debian.gz (or whatever) is much easier than poking around the kernel source, BTW |
| 17:02.03 | invitado | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.05 | Nyle | nextime: I have my sid box updated this morning, and my xorg works fine |
| 17:02.05 | enouf | !+dbugs 464963 |
| 17:02.08 | enouf | gah |
| 17:02.09 | dpkg | #464963:W[thinkfinger-tools] thinkfinger-tools: tf-tool is built without PAM support; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:24:01 UTC |
| 17:02.13 | enouf | !+dbugs 464953 |
| 17:02.15 | Nyle | nextime: dpkg-reconfigure (without -plow or with) asks me |
| 17:02.16 | abrotman | dude |
| 17:02.17 | dpkg | #464953:[linux-2.6] linux-2.6: mmap() local root exploit; Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:33:02 UTC |
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| 17:02.26 | enouf | i suck |
| 17:02.35 | laz0r | chops, oh, you are right, I should have thought of that |
| 17:02.40 | nextime | Nyle : heh, i also have latest version of both x11-common and xserver-xorg |
| 17:02.41 | abrotman | especially since 1 and 3 were merged? |
| 17:02.44 | nachox | is there a way to start dovecot as a user other than dovecot? |
| 17:02.44 | nextime | but it don't ask |
| 17:02.48 | nextime | i don't know why |
| 17:02.51 | enouf | Nyle: he's using some mutant "debian derivative" |
| 17:02.58 | Nyle | no |
| 17:03.03 | Nyle | wait |
| 17:03.05 | Nyle | he is |
| 17:03.06 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:03.09 | Nyle | he siad he is using sid |
| 17:03.23 | themill | !tell Nyle about enter |
| 17:03.27 | nextime | enouf : i' doing a debian derivated |
| 17:03.28 | Nyle | sorry |
| 17:03.32 | nextime | using sid |
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| 17:03.35 | enouf | Nyle: ^^^^^^ ".... i'm workin on a debian derivated that i distribute in a specific environment, ..." |
| 17:03.57 | enouf | so, it's a mangled debian |
| 17:04.03 | ManuP | chops: your ingenious :) it just works fine. thanks a lot. and thanks to justin too :) |
| 17:04.12 | enouf | mutated ansd spawned into existance |
| 17:04.13 | nextime | enouf : i only use some high level packages not in debian and i'm just doing a "my default config" |
| 17:04.15 | Nyle | yeh, it works on my latest sid box here |
| 17:04.20 | nextime | but it is sid at 99,99% |
| 17:04.20 | chops | ManuP: \o/ |
| 17:04.23 | chops | ManuP: np |
| 17:04.32 | ^shark_ | hi guys i have lost my openssl.cnf file -- it is blank, how can i get back the way it was.. |
| 17:04.33 | Nyle | so its not a problem here on sid i immagine |
| 17:04.34 | Nyle | or is it |
| 17:04.41 | ^shark_ | can someone give me a copy? |
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| 17:04.47 | chops | !tell ^shark_ about confmiss |
| 17:04.50 | nextime | Nyle : Is a sid problem. |
| 17:04.55 | enouf | meh, i kill avahi |
| 17:04.58 | Nyle | nextime: how do you know |
| 17:05.00 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:05.00 | enouf | dead |
| 17:05.18 | Nyle | and you realize that sid isn't really supported |
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| 17:05.30 | Nyle | if you use sid you are expected to be able to fix/figure out things or make bugreports |
| 17:05.40 | themill | ^shark_: The original is in /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf |
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| 17:05.59 | Nyle | afaik officially on this support channel we only support stable and testing, and unstable is left for the devs or other people who know what to do |
| 17:06.03 | nextime | Nyle : because i don't think that some text files with different defaults not xorg related plus some packages that are only python gui clients can modify what sid is doing with xorg and it's config |
| 17:06.13 | nextime | Nyle : of course i know what's sid |
| 17:06.15 | afiestas | is the new kernel fix stable? we just upgraded with aptitude and it was keepbacked |
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| 17:06.18 | Nyle | if you want to deploy a debian derivative, sid is a horrible choice for people who can't even configure xserver-xorg |
| 17:06.21 | Nyle | I'm sorry |
| 17:06.28 | chops | afiestas: use aptitude dist-upgrade, not aptitude upgrade |
| 17:06.28 | Nyle | maybe you should consider giving them etch |
| 17:06.31 | Nyle | or even testing |
| 17:06.38 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 17:06.38 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 17:06.42 | Nyle | nextime: ^^ |
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| 17:06.47 | Nyle | read this please |
| 17:06.52 | ^shark_ | themill: that one is also blank |
| 17:06.55 | afiestas | oh, great, then i did it correctly chops, but the server stopped working |
| 17:07.06 | afiestas | i just did a dist-upgrade (with aptitude, just marked the new kernel to upgrade) |
| 17:07.07 | chops | nextime: 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' works fine for me on my sid installation |
| 17:07.08 | nextime | Nyle: i use debian from many years, i really know how sid is. |
| 17:07.18 | nextime | null : The fact isn't "why i choose sid" |
| 17:07.19 | Nyle | and its obvious. |
| 17:07.20 | chops | afiestas: How did it stop working? |
| 17:07.27 | themill | ^shark_: gah... that's because it's a symlink... Try the confmiss factoid from dpkg then. |
| 17:07.31 | afiestas | and when trying to boot now it gives some errors and ends with a busybox in both the old and new kernels (xeon-8 cores) |
| 17:07.42 | nextime | the fact is "something is sid get's wrong. Maybe identify what's wrong can be a good point to fix it" |
| 17:07.45 | Nyle | nextime: have you checked the BTS for xserver-xorg bugs |
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| 17:07.52 | chops | afiestas: What are the errors it gives? lilo or grub? When was the last time you rebooted this system? |
| 17:08.00 | nextime | Nyle : yes, and nothing about similar problems |
| 17:08.20 | Nyle | and if it works for two people with latest sid packaged then it is NOT a sid problem |
| 17:08.24 | Nyle | it is a nextime problem |
| 17:08.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:08.26 | nextime | chops : also on my laptop |
| 17:08.31 | chops | nextime: Why do you assert that it must be a sid problem, and not a "debian derivative" problem, when it works for the people here who try it on sid? |
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| 17:08.39 | afiestas | thanks for your help chops, it was last rebooted about 25 days ago, grub shows 2 kernels (old and the new one with the fix, i presume) + 2 recovery modes |
| 17:08.42 | nextime | but it don't work on my distro and it don't work on my desktop's "clean" sid |
| 17:08.52 | chops | nextime: Why do you put "clean" in quotes? |
| 17:09.09 | chops | afiestas: What's the error message? |
| 17:09.10 | Nyle | chops: you really need to ask? :) |
| 17:09.14 | nextime | chops : to say that the one that i have on my workstation isn't a derivated. |
| 17:09.27 | Nyle | cuz its fuxed up debian he uses |
| 17:09.38 | Nyle | I'm done... you guys can carry on wastin time on his |
| 17:09.41 | Nyle | this* |
| 17:09.43 | chops | nextime: Can you pastebin the session where dpkg-reconfigure -plow doesn't work on your un-derivative sid install? |
| 17:09.50 | afiestas | the machine just hangs on the scsi load /dev/sdb (its on a RAID10 system), and then quick errors ending with a busybox shell |
| 17:09.58 | afiestas | sh could not access tty |
| 17:10.02 | afiestas | -> busybox |
| 17:10.06 | chops | afiestas: What are the quick errors? |
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| 17:10.22 | afiestas | will check them , come in 1 minute |
| 17:10.29 | afiestas | thanks 4 the help, really appreciate that |
| 17:10.35 | chops | afiestas: np |
| 17:10.36 | nextime | chops : not now, here i don't have any decent browser, and paste a dialog config isn't so simple |
| 17:10.41 | Nyle | write them down if you have to |
| 17:10.47 | Nyle | nextime: gpm |
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| 17:10.58 | chops | nextime: You can reconfigure debconf to prompt using text and not ncurses |
| 17:11.00 | Nyle | nextime: install gpm and copy paste inside console using mouse, or use cli pastebin |
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| 17:11.02 | themill | !tell nextime about pastebin pipe |
| 17:11.05 | ^shark_ | themill: take a look at this please >> http://internetworkpro.org/pastebin/1816 |
| 17:11.07 | chops | nextime: And what themill sent you |
| 17:11.08 | nextime | Nyle : isn't a copy&paste problem, is a browser problem. |
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| 17:11.26 | nextime | and how can i paste some dialog windows? |
| 17:11.27 | Nyle | nextime: I use lynx and gpm |
| 17:11.41 | chops | nextime: Or do the reconfiguration from an ssh session from another machine which _does_ have a decent browser |
| 17:11.56 | nextime | chops : i don't have a browser _HERE_ |
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| 17:12.03 | nextime | in physically terms |
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| 17:12.12 | Nyle | a browser is physical? |
| 17:12.27 | Nyle | i thought software was called soft becuase its not really physically real |
| 17:12.27 | nextime | Nyle : uff HERE is physical |
| 17:12.40 | Nyle | ;) |
| 17:12.49 | nextime | Ok, sorry mates, i will fix by myself. Thanks anyway. |
| 17:12.51 | \amethyst | you can't run a browser remotely somewhere? |
| 17:12.52 | chops | nextime: Okay, I'm going to stop trying to prod you into providing enough information for me to help you. We explained to you how to get a usable pastebin and you're still complaining. Good luck. |
| 17:12.53 | ManuP | cu |
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| 17:13.08 | nextime | \amethyst : how if i don't have any graphical ws here? |
| 17:13.18 | Nyle | nextime: we TOLD YOU HOW! |
| 17:13.19 | \amethyst | nextime: use a text-based browser? |
| 17:13.20 | Nyle | ffs |
| 17:13.20 | Nyle | . |
| 17:13.32 | nextime | i'm chatting from a vt100 terminal attached to a VAX! |
| 17:13.37 | Nyle | now look you made me scream. |
| 17:13.48 | Nyle | nextime: and we have considered this |
| 17:13.48 | \amethyst | nextime: links2 or elinks or lynx or w3m or any of a number of others will work on a vt100 attached to a VAX |
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| 17:13.56 | Nyle | and we have ways to make shit happen in terminal too |
| 17:14.10 | nextime | Nyle : also for dialogs? |
| 17:14.15 | themill | ^shark_: please re-read the confmiss factoid again. You need to tell dpkg to do something (e.g. install) while forcing confmiss. Also see the apt-get command in that factoid. If the file is empty not missing, you'll have to delete it first for confmiss to work. |
| 17:14.16 | Nyle | I told you use to use a cli browser like links, and copypaste using gpm (general purpose mouse) |
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| 17:14.41 | pleed_ | I need help: using strace to debug my racoon, now it says while opening /etc/certs/my_cert.pem no such file or directory, but it is there and racoon is not chrooted, what to do? |
| 17:14.48 | Nyle | nm im done |
| 17:14.54 | x_link | Hi Nyle |
| 17:15.02 | chops | pleed_: Is it a symlink to a nonexistent file perhaps? |
| 17:15.10 | Nyle | x_link: my main man, whats up buddy. How are you doing? |
| 17:15.27 | pleed_ | chops: in the directory? the file itself is no symlink |
| 17:15.32 | kenjy | is there a way to change the stat of the process? |
| 17:15.36 | chops | pleed_: Can you cat it? |
| 17:15.38 | kenjy | of that process? |
| 17:15.40 | pleed_ | chops: sure |
| 17:15.53 | ^shark_ | themill: ok |
| 17:15.55 | pleed_ | chops: that s why i have absolutely no idea |
| 17:15.58 | chops | pleed_: Can you cat it when you copy-paste the filename from the racoon strace output? |
| 17:16.15 | chops | pleed_: It's not possible that racoon is doing a chroot without telling you for some strange reason, is it? |
| 17:16.16 | pleed_ | chops: yes tried that |
| 17:16.40 | pleed_ | chops: no it s not chrooted, know this because it s logging to /var/log/racoon.log |
| 17:16.49 | krinns | hey |
| 17:16.52 | chops | pleed_: It might open the file before it does the chroot |
| 17:16.59 | krinns | i want to install line printer on debian etch |
| 17:17.00 | krinns | any idea? |
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| 17:17.21 | kenjy | you don't know how to change the stat of a process? :P |
| 17:17.24 | pleed_ | chops: well i looked into the init script and i never read anything about a chrooting racoon |
| 17:17.47 | cahoot | krinns: you see a problem ? |
| 17:17.59 | chops | pleed_: You can pipe all the strace output to a file (strace blah blah >& /tmp/strace-output) and search the output for 'chroot' |
| 17:18.00 | krinns | i want ot do |
| 17:18.04 | krinns | how i do? |
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| 17:18.14 | chops | pleed_: The executable might be doing a chroot in response to some configuration or default or something |
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| 17:18.47 | pleed_ | chops: okay doing this |
| 17:18.56 | clusty_ | was wondering why my X fonts are all ugly and hard to read |
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| 17:19.03 | clusty_ | some package needs installation? |
| 17:19.12 | enouf | x_link: just saying hola amigo ;-) nice to see ya |
| 17:19.14 | chops | pleed_: If you still can't figure it out, you can pastebin the strace output and we can take a look at it |
| 17:19.14 | cahoot | krinns: install cupsys, connect printer |
| 17:19.14 | Nyle | be more specific |
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| 17:19.19 | Nyle | clusty_: ugly? |
| 17:19.31 | Nyle | clusty_: can you maybe give a screenshot in freeimagehosting.net something |
| 17:19.42 | krinns | i have network printer |
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| 17:19.48 | krinns | but debain have to gui |
| 17:19.49 | chops | pleed_: You should probably not pastebin the contents of /etc/certs/my_cert.pem, but it's worth rechecking that the file is actually cattable |
| 17:19.50 | Nyle | clusty_: too small, not anti aliased? |
| 17:19.52 | krinns | now what i do |
| 17:19.57 | Nyle | clusty_: what exactly? |
| 17:20.29 | x_link | Nyle: Just fine, thanks for asking. Upgraded my machine =) |
| 17:20.30 | pleed_ | chops: found no chroot, yes i have already checked it but that doesnt matter since it s crashing while doing the open(,O_RDONLY); |
| 17:20.36 | Nyle | krinns: x_link cool |
| 17:20.40 | Nyle | x_link: cool |
| 17:20.43 | chops | pleed_: What do you mean "crashing"? |
| 17:20.46 | x_link | enouf: Hey buddy, sup with you? =) |
| 17:20.50 | Nyle | x_link: how're the kids and the old woman, tell em I said hi |
| 17:20.50 | x_link | Nyle: Using Intel now =) |
| 17:20.51 | cahoot | krinns: install cupsys connect your browser to http://localhost:631 |
| 17:20.57 | Nyle | x_link: thats what im talking about |
| 17:21.01 | Nyle | x_link: what you got now? |
| 17:21.04 | x_link | Nyle: They are just fine, had a big party for the little girl 3 days ago. |
| 17:21.10 | Nyle | cool |
| 17:21.14 | Nyle | birthday? |
| 17:21.18 | clusty_ | Nyle, like hard to read. not filled in |
| 17:21.29 | Nyle | clusty_: try anti aliasing? |
| 17:21.33 | x_link | Nyle: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 + Intel Dual-Core E2200 2.2GHz. My girlfriend gave me that =) |
| 17:21.41 | x_link | I took that CPU for now, will get E8400 soon. |
| 17:21.43 | Nyle | nice |
| 17:21.45 | x_link | Nyle: Yes, birthday. |
| 17:21.45 | clusty_ | Nyle, how do i do that :D? |
| 17:21.49 | pleed_ | chops: sry, it s not crashing, it s just logging that it isnt able to find its cert... |
| 17:21.50 | Nyle | !aa |
| 17:21.50 | dpkg | [aa] alcoholics anonymous, or anti-aircraft, or America's Army, or anti-aliasing fonts. apt-get install anti-aliasing-howto |
| 17:21.57 | x_link | Nyle: But this damn Acronis True Image doesn't work with this motherboard =/ |
| 17:21.59 | Nyle | clusty_: last line |
| 17:22.02 | clusty_ | thanx |
| 17:22.03 | x_link | Nyle: It worked just fine with my AM2-system. |
| 17:22.05 | Nyle | yw |
| 17:22.13 | Nyle | yeh but |
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| 17:22.20 | Nyle | I like my cpu |
| 17:22.26 | Nyle | I got it just when the core2 was released |
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| 17:22.38 | clusty_ | funny :D |
| 17:22.39 | Nyle | I have the BEST core 2 cpu ever made, one of the original first batches |
| 17:22.48 | clusty_ | seemed an odd package:D |
| 17:22.54 | Nyle | motherfucker goes over 3.5ghz easily with some good ram and northbridge cooling |
| 17:23.09 | Nyle | I have been able to push it to 3720 |
| 17:23.11 | Nyle | :D |
| 17:23.27 | Nyle | i didn't know there was a 2200 core 2 now |
| 17:23.43 | pleed_ | chops: anymore ideas? |
| 17:23.55 | Nyle | best 171$ I ever spent were on this E6300 core 2 |
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| 17:24.04 | chops | pleed_: Like I said, you could pastebin the strace output so that people here could look over it to see if there's anything interesting there |
| 17:24.19 | pleed_ | chops: okay doing that now |
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| 17:24.39 | Nyle | x_link: and some of the new core2 low ends with high cache, don't oc well at all ime. but anyway on that, good choice, intel kicks ass, you should now run amd64 and join the 64bit world |
| 17:24.52 | Nyle | x_link: I run testing amd64 at 3.5ghz core 2 and its fast as balls |
| 17:24.59 | Nyle | if balls could be fast, that is |
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| 17:25.14 | wng- | I just installed the fglrx driver and compiz, and when i run compiz, it starts out fine, but eventually my menubar (in GNOME) goes all white, and occasionally entire application windows (like firefox) turn all white |
| 17:25.26 | Nyle | x_link: so I thought you were an ubuntu user now |
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| 17:26.28 | Nyle | toke toke toke. all monday long, no work no school while i sing this song |
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| 17:26.37 | eth01 | . |
| 17:26.43 | sander_m | Hmmm... more networking trouble. I have a server with a gigabit nic, a cat 6 cable (new) and a gigabit switch. Despite all that, it always comes up as a 100 Mbit/s link. Using `ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000` doesn't matter. It still configures as a 100 Mbit link. Any ideas? |
| 17:26.59 | pleed_ | chops: https://chaos-disciple.org/pleed/racoon.strace |
| 17:27.02 | abrotman | tried mii-tool ? |
| 17:27.28 | enouf | x_link: Acronis True Image? isn't that like Norton Ghost type software? perhaps a licensing issue? since it's all new hardware now? and it thinks you need to pay for another license? |
| 17:27.49 | Nyle | enouf: my motherboard comes with a backup solution |
| 17:27.54 | pleed_ | chops: the cert ist /etc/certs/voyager_cert.pem |
| 17:27.54 | Nyle | enouf: its decent enough |
| 17:28.05 | Nyle | enouf: its decent enouf ;) |
| 17:28.08 | enouf | x_link: either way, i doubt we can support any of that stuff here |
| 17:28.16 | enouf | Nyle: eww |
| 17:28.22 | sander_m | I'll try |
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| 17:28.47 | Nyle | x_link: which os/release are you using? |
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| 17:30.19 | x_link | enouf: Maybe, I don't know =) |
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| 17:30.28 | enouf | heh, wols_ and others such as myself were just discussing that "Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4" mobo and its variants, see http://techgage.com/print/gigabyte_ga-p35c-ds3r |
| 17:30.31 | x_link | enouf: Yeah I know, I just wanted to say that |
| 17:30.34 | enouf | x_link: find out |
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| 17:30.46 | sander_m | Weird. ethtool says the NIC can do 1000 full and half duplex. mii-tool disagrees and says 100 max. |
| 17:30.50 | freemind | hello mates, "ip rule list" returns "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported" - am I missing kernel options? |
| 17:31.06 | x_link | enouf: I really love that program. |
| 17:31.07 | chops | pleed_: I'm not sure what to tell you... that looks okay, yes. I would try 'cat' on the file, cutting and pasting the name from the strace output, as the raccoon user, just to make sure |
| 17:31.16 | enouf | for sata drives (and sata opticals) enable AHCI in BIOS |
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| 17:31.31 | chops | sander_m: I've seen mii-tool get that wrong before |
| 17:31.44 | chops | sander_m: What NIC is it, and what kernel? |
| 17:31.47 | enouf | x_link: that's fine, but i guess they want their $$$ ;-) |
| 17:32.08 | pleed_ | chops: racoon is running as root, i really already did that and it worked. |
| 17:32.48 | enouf | x_link: each system and it's components all have UUIDs/GUIDs .. so that's how those 'checks' fr authentication and verification work |
| 17:32.49 | chops | pleed_: Do it again :-) |
| 17:32.57 | chops | pleed_: No, honestly I'm not sure what else to tell you |
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| 17:33.21 | pleed_ | chops: did it 10 times... |
| 17:33.29 | sander_m | chops: 2.6.22-3 from backports.org (Linux sylvester 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Tue Dec 4 02:25:59 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux). The NIC is the onboard NIC on a HP ProLiant ML370 G3. `lspci` says: 01:04.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5703X Gigabit Ethernet (rev 02) |
| 17:33.38 | pleed_ | chops: i dont have any ideas either, that s why i came here |
| 17:34.00 | x_link | enouf: I know it's not about $ |
| 17:34.04 | x_link | enouf: Have a min in PM? |
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| 17:34.13 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i set LogLevel DEBUG3 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted ssh, however i can't find the increaded level of logging in syslog or messages, http://rafb.net/p/L7FwPe88.html is where syslog.conf is. would appreciate some help with this. i am kind of pulling hairs |
| 17:34.14 | enouf | x_link: ok |
| 17:34.19 | x_link | enouf: Great |
| 17:34.31 | lastpak | hi all,can anyone tell me :with what commandline tool i can convert .jpg pictures to .bgm? |
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| 17:35.19 | themill | lastpak: what's a bgm image? |
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| 17:36.19 | lastpak | themill it's small black and white and aview can open it |
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| 17:36.51 | peppe | lastpak: maybe it's a "PGM" image? |
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| 17:37.11 | themill | lastpak: pnm? |
| 17:37.33 | masus | can anybody recommend me an "Network Intrusion Detection System" thanks :P |
| 17:37.40 | chops | masus: snort |
| 17:37.44 | lastpak | yea could be |
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| 17:37.53 | masus | thanks |
| 17:38.10 | themill | lastpak: imagemagick's convert can do that. convert myimage.jpg myimage.pnm |
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| 17:39.09 | lastpak | themill thanks! |
| 17:39.31 | themill | lastpak: the aview website says that aview will automagically do the conversion for you if you have imagemagick installed |
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| 17:40.27 | sander_m | Also, from dmesg: eth0: Tigon3 [partno(NA) rev 1002 PHY(5703)] (PCI:66MHz:64-bit) 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet 00:0e:7f:ab:b3:96 |
| 17:40.32 | lastpak | again.. |
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| 17:40.50 | enouf | PCI-X |
| 17:40.54 | wng- | I just installed the fglrx driver and compiz, and when i run compiz, it starts out fine, but eventually my menubar (in GNOME) goes all white, and occasionally entire application windows (like firefox) turn all white. Any ideas? |
| 17:41.00 | sander_m | I've ran it on 1000 Mbit before, under the stock 2.6.18 kernel. But now it doesn't want to anymore. |
| 17:41.22 | enouf | jumbo frames? |
| 17:41.24 | pingouin | someone knows in wich package is the command line tool : srm (wich allow to delete 'secure' way) ? |
| 17:41.34 | pingouin | i cant find it with apt- |
| 17:41.54 | freemind | apt-file search <file> |
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| 17:43.01 | enouf | secure-delete |
| 17:43.09 | pingouin | enouf: thanks ! |
| 17:43.24 | pingouin | enouf: perfect ! |
| 17:43.29 | freemind | is there any channel with routing geeks inside? =) |
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| 17:43.41 | sander_m | enouf: Was that "jumbo frames" remark aimed at me? I have no idea really. I haven't configured anything about that (yet). |
| 17:43.42 | pingouin | enouf: i'll try to not forget this package |
| 17:44.06 | enouf | pingouin: use the tools others told you to hel yourself ;-) |
| 17:44.20 | enouf | no need to remember everything - learn the tools ;-) |
| 17:44.34 | enouf | pingouin: /msg dpkg search, /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 17:45.15 | enouf | sander_m: me neithe, was just an off the cuff remark |
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| 17:45.46 | RichiH | in a system where every path has a prefix and all dots are replaced by slashes, does anyone have an idea how to get to the root path? |
| 17:46.13 | enouf | readlink maybe |
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| 17:50.00 | sander_m | More questions: I just found some messages online that this specific NIC has trouble with the new tg3 driver and that I should be using the bcm5700 driver for this NIC instead. How do I tell Debian to use that other driver for the NIC? |
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| 17:53.37 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 17:53.46 | HardDisk_WP | i ssh my debian server...and get ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 17:53.53 | HardDisk_WP | but sshing it via webserver works |
| 17:54.00 | HardDisk_WP | s/webserver/webssh |
| 17:56.13 | anykey | Hi. Our department has ordered me to migrate two servers to Etch. I have run into the problem of getting php-5.2.5 with apache-1.3.x, which is mandatory for our team... I know apache 2 can do it as well, but my boss does not want to divert from apache 1.3. How do I get those versions? |
| 17:56.33 | valdyn | !info apache etch |
| 17:56.37 | dpkg | apache: (versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.34-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
| 17:56.51 | valdyn | anykey: is that one not ok? |
| 17:56.59 | anykey | yes, that is not the problem. the problem is php-5.2.5 |
| 17:57.06 | valdyn | !info php etch |
| 17:57.09 | valdyn | !info php5 etch |
| 17:57.12 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8+etch7 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 17:57.39 | valdyn | !info php5 lenny |
| 17:57.44 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.5-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 17:57.59 | valdyn | anykey: lennys version would be ok.. lets see backports.org |
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| 17:58.36 | sander_m | A different question then: I currently have two kernels installed. 2.6.18 (etch) and 2.6.22 (backports). How can I reboot into the 2.6.18 kernel remotely? There's no display or keyboard on my server. |
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| 17:59.00 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 17:59.00 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 17:59.10 | valdyn | anykey: read ^^^ |
| 17:59.22 | jetscreamer | edit menu.lst and set it default... there is also a command to tell grub to use one as a temp reboot_to but i forget |
| 17:59.30 | jetscreamer | sander_m: ^ |
| 17:59.34 | pleed_ | chops: there was an " " after the filename xD |
| 17:59.38 | sander_m | jetscreamer: Thanks :-) |
| 17:59.44 | valdyn | anykey: i cant guarantee that that procedure will work for php5, it works analogue for lenny |
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| 18:00.12 | valdyn | anykey: mind, you lose debian support if you use something like that |
| 18:00.33 | valdyn | anykey: still better than compiling from source on your own |
| 18:01.34 | valdyn | anykey: why is the minor version number relevant to you? |
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| 18:02.11 | HardDisk_WP | what package creates /etc/environment? |
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| 18:02.27 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i thinik its obsolete |
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| 18:02.41 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, auth.log tells me sshd whines about it |
| 18:02.46 | HardDisk_WP | and so refuses the connection |
| 18:02.54 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: whines about what? |
| 18:03.00 | HardDisk_WP | /etc/defaults/locae wasn't present also |
| 18:03.03 | anykey | valdyn: thanks. I just got notice from my boss.... he wants to do it configure-make-make install.... *shudder* |
| 18:03.28 | valdyn | anykey: he might not know backporting |
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| 18:03.48 | chops | pleed_: Ah, yes... I see it now, but I missed it in the strace same as you did |
| 18:04.05 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, http://harddisk.is-a-geek.org/ssh.png |
| 18:04.06 | anykey | valdyn: yeah, well you know, if $BOSS is determined to do something, I am screwed |
| 18:04.29 | valdyn | anykey: you can still use the apt-get build-dep part |
| 18:04.35 | anykey | valdyn: (and responsible, too, to some extent) |
| 18:05.10 | anykey | valdyn: yes, the builddeps are good to do... |
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| 18:06.07 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, any idea? |
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| 18:06.25 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 18:06.46 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
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| 18:06.53 | valdyn | aww, dpkg sucks |
| 18:07.05 | SamuraiDio | on suse linux there's a command 'dos2unix' that convert word wraps to unix mode, is there this on debian also? |
| 18:07.06 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i dont think that that env thing is more than a warning |
| 18:07.13 | eifzon_ | If I wanna install Debian from a USB-Stick, what install shall I get then? |
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| 18:07.31 | cusco | HardDisk_WP: locales ? |
| 18:07.32 | SamuraiDio | eifzon_, from or into? |
| 18:07.38 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: feel free to create it though, like "touch /etc/environment", not like it needs to contain anything |
| 18:07.38 | eifzon_ | from SamuraiDio |
| 18:08.06 | SamuraiDio | eifzon_, what do you mean by "what install shall I get then?"? |
| 18:08.10 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: debug ssh like: sshd -vvv -p <portnum> and connect to that |
| 18:08.19 | eifzon_ | SamuraiDio, but one one shall I download? |
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| 18:08.31 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, now no more whinings...but what could cause the sshd to reject everything from my PC and only let webssh pass? |
| 18:08.37 | HardDisk_WP | hmmhesays, i'll try that |
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| 18:08.53 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: if your key changed while the ip stayed the same |
| 18:09.03 | SamuraiDio | eifzon_, the one you want, you'll just need to boot from usb stick. i think it will work just as a CD |
| 18:09.06 | hmmhesays | I came all the way back to my pc for a tab completed comment? |
| 18:09.07 | hmmhesays | lol |
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| 18:09.14 | eifzon_ | SamuraiDio, netboot then? |
| 18:09.26 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: host key that is |
| 18:10.06 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, strange, even after i removed ~/.ssh i get this error |
| 18:10.17 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that doesnt contain the host key |
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| 18:10.33 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: debug ssh as i told you, theres no point in guessing |
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| 18:10.46 | SamuraiDio | eifzon_, just depends on the size of your device, netsint should be a good choice if you have a good (fast) internet connection |
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| 18:11.17 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, illegal option --v |
| 18:11.26 | HardDisk_WP | but i entered the same command exactly as you typed |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i told you to use --v ? |
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| 18:11.55 | SamuraiDio | on suse linux there's a command 'dos2unix' that convert word wraps to unix mode, is there this (or a similar command) on debian too? |
| 18:12.06 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: youre right, look at the manpage |
| 18:12.08 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, i run sshd -vvv -p 10000 |
| 18:12.08 | eifzon_ | SamuraiDio, you got a guide for preparing it? |
| 18:12.26 | themill | !tell SamuraiDio about dos2unix |
| 18:12.48 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: sshd -D -p <portnum> |
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| 18:12.54 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: and maybe add -d |
| 18:12.59 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path..?! |
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| 18:13.22 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: eh? |
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| 18:13.59 | SamuraiDio | thanks themill |
| 18:13.59 | HardDisk_WP | sshd -D -d -p 31337 |
| 18:13.59 | HardDisk_WP | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
| 18:14.08 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, should i kill sshd? |
| 18:14.13 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: no |
| 18:14.37 | HardDisk_WP | hasn't any effect anyways |
| 18:14.59 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP:you can skip the -D |
| 18:15.10 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: why am i reading the manpage for you? |
| 18:15.17 | HardDisk_WP | doesnt change either, and i read the manpage |
| 18:15.32 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: just run it with an abolute path |
| 18:17.28 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, even if running sshd -d -p 10000 /, nothing changes |
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| 18:17.33 | HardDisk_WP | i use opensshd |
| 18:17.59 | Miesco | Is it a good idea to upgrade all your packages to the lastest ones in etch-backports? |
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| 18:18.43 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 18:19.58 | HardDisk_WP | worked |
| 18:20.16 | HardDisk_WP | connection refused by tcp wrapper |
| 18:20.17 | HardDisk_WP | wtf?? |
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| 18:20.49 | HardDisk_WP | hell... |
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| 18:22.04 | HardDisk_WP | WHY THE FUCK WAS MY IP ON HOSTS.DENY?!!?! |
| 18:22.14 | HardDisk_WP | o_O |
| 18:22.25 | HardDisk_WP | argh, I know why. |
| 18:22.55 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i set LogLevel DEBUG3 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and restarted ssh, however i can't find the increaded level of logging in syslog or messages, http://rafb.net/p/L7FwPe88.html is where syslog.conf is. would appreciate some help with this. i am kind of pulling hairs |
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| 18:23.57 | valdyn | thelostbutler: leave those files alone and debug with another instance of sshd, started like "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p <port> |
| 18:24.09 | valdyn | thelostbutler: or is that not what you want? |
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| 18:27.54 | lesshaste | what is the current version of the kernel in debian stable? |
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| 18:28.31 | chops | !info linux-image-2.6-686 stable |
| 18:28.34 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 18:28.58 | lesshaste | chops, thanks.. is that the version you get in the installer? |
| 18:29.05 | chops | lesshaste: Not at all |
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| 18:29.22 | chops | lesshaste: There have been a few security updates since then |
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| 18:30.03 | lesshaste | chops, ok.. do you know what the version in the installer is? |
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| 18:30.39 | chops | lesshaste: I don't happen to, no. It varies by architecture and such, of course. Why do you want to know? |
| 18:30.55 | lesshaste | chops, it will tell me if it will support my hardware enough to install |
| 18:31.13 | lesshaste | chops, 32 bit pentium |
| 18:31.13 | chops | lesshaste: That doesn't change within a single stable revision. It's all 2.6.18. |
| 18:31.19 | lesshaste | chops, oh ok.. thanks |
| 18:31.23 | chops | lesshaste: np |
| 18:31.54 | niere | is it possible to remove the dependency of an installed package (to something that's not installed) so that the package managers stop thinking something is wrong? |
| 18:32.04 | chops | niere: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:32.27 | niere | chops: i'm trying to use my system normally ;) |
| 18:32.28 | chops | niere: It is possible (/msg dpkg equivs), but it's often a bad idea |
| 18:33.20 | debian-is-me | What method is good for compressing movies? What movie format is open/free? |
| 18:33.22 | niere | chops: i installed a ubuntu package (yeah, bad idea, but i think i know what i'm doing), which depends on some other package in a fancy ubuntu version |
| 18:33.32 | davidou | samiam: are you the sam debian package maintainer of guile-pg by any chance ? |
| 18:33.40 | davidou | sam |
| 18:33.43 | chops | niere: You are 100% on your own. Good luck. Please don't ask for support from #debian for such a situation. |
| 18:33.54 | niere | chops: hehe, i won't ;) |
| 18:34.19 | niere | chops: and thanks for your hint |
| 18:34.23 | chops | niere: np |
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| 18:39.01 | thelostbutler | valdyn: i am trying to debug kerberos/ssh single sign on. i am trying to find why ssh fails even with right options in place. hence i need to debug sshd, that is why i want to set the loglevel to debug3 and see what the hell is happening |
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| 18:41.33 | thelostbutler | valdyn: Unrecognized authentication method name: gssapi-with-mic , when i use something ssh -vvv -o PreferredAuthentications=gssapi-with-mic (Etch64) |
| 18:41.41 | thelostbutler | that is the error that i get |
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| 18:44.12 | jetscreamer | if my network goes down can i reconnect to a running ssh session? i was not using screen. |
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| 18:44.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: slacker |
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| 18:45.15 | jetscreamer | yeah but is that a yes or a no |
| 18:45.31 | abrotman | !info retty etch |
| 18:45.35 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 18:45.38 | abrotman | maybe ... |
| 18:45.55 | abrotman | maybe also detachtty |
| 18:46.18 | jetscreamer | what about on the box i have the ssh session running on, can i get to it from there? |
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| 18:46.47 | jetscreamer | or, how do i send a nice 'please exit' kill signal to the program so it can write it's stuff |
| 18:46.48 | abrotman | i think that's what the retty is for .. not sure .. you'd have to try it |
| 18:47.00 | abrotman | it says you can attach to another process |
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| 18:47.12 | jetscreamer | i'll give it a shot |
| 18:47.40 | jetscreamer | or, can i call a program to the foreground from any background |
| 18:47.49 | jetscreamer | given the same user login |
| 18:50.24 | Miesco | abrotman: Is it a good idea to upgrade all your packages to the lastest ones in etch-backports? |
| 18:50.31 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use the backports |
| 18:50.50 | Miesco | Does lenny support nvidia yet? |
| 18:51.03 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use nvidia |
| 18:51.09 | Miesco | Okay |
| 18:51.12 | SpeedyG | Miesco: i've got it working |
| 18:51.23 | SpeedyG | but dont ask me if I did it the debian way, or another way |
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| 18:51.47 | Miesco | Yea I did also, but I had to reinstall it everytime I rebooted |
| 18:51.57 | SpeedyG | oh, never had that issue |
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| 18:52.11 | Miesco | I use etch now :) |
| 18:52.33 | SpeedyG | I used to be on lenny etch and sarge at the same time |
| 18:52.44 | SpeedyG | but now i've upgraded my last sarge box :D |
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| 18:55.16 | Tapout | did debian fix that local exploit yet? |
| 18:55.42 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:56.50 | Tapout | aptitude update/upgrade should get it, correct? |
| 18:56.57 | Tapout | all i saw was linux-image |
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| 18:58.56 | abrotman | Tapout: that's it |
| 18:59.06 | dkr | what else would you expect? :) |
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| 18:59.31 | Tapout | abrotman, for some reason aptitude says it was "kept back" .. any idea why? |
| 18:59.41 | helo | anyone have luck using linuxbios at all? |
| 19:00.31 | helo | maybe a little ot... |
| 19:00.31 | wols_ | !kept back |
| 19:00.32 | dpkg | well, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 |
| 19:00.46 | wols_ | helo: you need very spcific mobos for it to work |
| 19:00.54 | wols_ | basically no mobo you can buy |
| 19:00.59 | helo | yeah... i'm looking to maybe buy some |
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| 19:01.14 | helo | that is kind of sad |
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| 19:03.26 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, my debian system was working well, but not it just boots in console mode, is not starting the X, how can I solve that? I have to log in with my user and run 'startx' |
| 19:03.33 | Tapout | thanks wols |
| 19:04.05 | white_eagle | !laugh at me |
| 19:04.05 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! white_eagle just cracks me up! |
| 19:04.28 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: install a display manager |
| 19:04.54 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: what desktop environment do you run? |
| 19:05.46 | jetscreamer | him say: kde or gnome |
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| 19:06.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, yes gdm and I have tried with xdm too |
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| 19:06.12 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, gnome |
| 19:06.21 | white_eagle | !:E |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
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| 19:06.42 | jetscreamer | aptitude install gdm |
| 19:06.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, gaf3:~# cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ---> /usr/bin/gdm |
| 19:06.50 | jetscreamer | o |
| 19:06.54 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: then check if /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm exists |
| 19:07.04 | abrotman | Tapout: explicitly install that package |
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| 19:07.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | jetscreamer, aptitude install gdm, tries to remove lot of pkgs, is that ok? |
| 19:08.00 | wols_ | gonzaloaf_laptop: show us the output. pastebin |
| 19:08.05 | Tapout | abrotman, i used to use ..apt-get dist-upgrade, went to aptitude and assumed upgrade was handled as a dist-upgrade, bad thoughts :) |
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| 19:08.14 | Tapout | i did a aptitude dist-upgrade and boom, she's going |
| 19:08.14 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:08.17 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:08.27 | Tapout | many thanks tho |
| 19:08.44 | Tapout | if i were a woman, i'd let you use me for 10 minutes ;) .. that's how much I appreciate you guys lol |
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| 19:09.05 | jetscreamer | gonzaloaf_laptop: i personally don't care if it removes some of your packages... how about you? :) |
| 19:09.10 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, nop, it doesnt exist |
| 19:09.11 | jelly-home | Tapout: that's a nice spin on "fuck you" :-D |
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| 19:10.17 | Tapout | jelly, lol .. didn't mean it like that.. :) |
| 19:10.17 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, what output? |
| 19:10.17 | jetscreamer | Tapout: who would get what's left over after abrotman has his 30 seconds? |
| 19:10.20 | jetscreamer | :) j/k |
| 19:10.21 | Tapout | jetscreamer, lol |
| 19:10.29 | Tapout | i guess we'd just chat |
| 19:10.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: maybe you ops could create a paypal account, so we could see who's _really_ grateful |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
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| 19:10.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: heh |
| 19:10.47 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 19:10.48 | abrotman | jelly-home: all proceeds go to Debian! |
| 19:11.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes... beer money. |
| 19:11.04 | jetscreamer | damn i have to do w/o my laptop :( |
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| 19:11.17 | Tapout | jelly-home, saying thanks is usually greater than money. :) abrotman has more money than bill gates, he does this for the love :) |
| 19:11.53 | abrotman | i do?! |
| 19:11.59 | Tapout | abrotman, tell oprah to call back after brunch, she shouldn't be interrupting you at this time! :) |
| 19:12.03 | jetscreamer | yes... |
| 19:12.06 | jetscreamer | !love abrotman |
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| 19:12.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, what output do you want me to pastebin? |
| 19:12.26 | Tapout | !love abrotman |
| 19:12.26 | Tapout | !love abrotman |
| 19:12.51 | Tapout | !love wols_ |
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| 19:13.23 | helo | !love dpkg |
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| 19:16.50 | Tapout | now if I can figure out why one of my debian machines keeps panic'n .. i'd be all set. :) |
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| 19:23.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, ? |
| 19:23.43 | gonzaloaf_laptop | wols_, are you there? |
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| 19:31.51 | PrMoriarty | hello |
| 19:32.11 | PrMoriarty | do you have a link for DL the latest netinstall cd for debian? |
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| 19:32.17 | PrMoriarty | all my link are dead |
| 19:32.34 | PrMoriarty | just want the net install |
| 19:32.45 | aboyz | anyone know if this is the command to bring up lo:0 . I set it in /etc/network/interface -> auto lo:0 . why isn't it auto bring up that virtual interface when i reboot? anyone know why? I have to do it manaully ifup lo:0 |
| 19:33.02 | PrMoriarty | for the love of god help me out |
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| 19:33.27 | Guerin | !latest |
| 19:33.27 | dpkg | latest is, like, not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (testing), 'sid' (unstable). |
| 19:33.37 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 19:33.37 | dpkg | 4.0r0 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 19:34.04 | Eulex | PrMoriarty, http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst ? |
| 19:34.17 | PrMoriarty | thank you |
| 19:34.22 | PrMoriarty | my french links are dead |
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| 19:34.36 | Guerin | perhaps they surrendered |
| 19:35.00 | PrMoriarty | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r2-i386-netinst.iso is dead? |
| 19:35.17 | PrMoriarty | or it s just for me |
| 19:36.16 | Bushmills | just you |
| 19:36.16 | PrMoriarty | lol ok |
| 19:36.17 | Eulex | it's not dead here |
| 19:36.17 | Bushmills | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| 19:36.17 | Bushmills | Length: 167,067,648 (159M) [application/octet-stream] |
| 19:36.17 | Bushmills | 200 OK |
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| 19:36.17 | abrotman | there's a mirror at ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd |
| 19:36.17 | PrMoriarty | sorry then to disturbed you |
| 19:36.19 | bloor | hi. i've a problem burning dvd's with growisofs. i 've burned 2 DVD's succesfully and now i got with the same command always the error :-( write failed: Input/output error and the DVD is unuseable |
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| 19:36.52 | Eulex | PrMoriarty, cdimage.debian.org resolves to different servers depending on your country. here it resolves to ftp.acc.umu.se. |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r2/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:38.29 | bloor | burn cmd is growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J -speed=1 ~/*.avi my system is 2.6.22-3 amd64 stable can anyone plz help? :/ |
| 19:38.35 | PrMoriarty | ok thank you it s work with the last link |
| 19:38.35 | aboyz | Anyone know why my lo:0 interface is not auto starting up after a reboot. I have to do it manaully ifup lo:0 . I don't want to do that everytime. Here is what it is in my /etc/interface . look here. http://pastebin.ca/900233 |
| 19:38.39 | PrMoriarty | thank you |
| 19:38.58 | PrMoriarty | is the developpement of debian follow the developpement of ubuntu? |
| 19:39.18 | abrotman | they are separate projects |
| 19:40.08 | Eulex | PrMoriarty, rather, they follow us. they pull in a lot of packages from unstable. |
| 19:40.11 | sco50000 | PrMoriarty: ubuntu is based on debian |
| 19:41.39 | PrMoriarty | just for advice |
| 19:41.50 | PrMoriarty | what is the based package needed for a minimal install? |
| 19:41.58 | PrMoriarty | gcc gdb |
| 19:42.01 | PrMoriarty | that s all? |
| 19:42.21 | abrotman | that's minimal ? |
| 19:42.39 | PrMoriarty | ok crapy question |
| 19:42.43 | bloor | can anyone plz help i've crashed a lot of DVD's til now |
| 19:42.48 | PrMoriarty | don c worry i m just a little tired |
| 19:42.56 | PrMoriarty | leaving Redhat linux for debian |
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| 19:45.27 | chops | PrMoriarty: Are you looking for the package to install to do basic _compilation_? |
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| 19:45.51 | PrMoriarty | chops, yes |
| 19:45.51 | chops | PrMoriarty: There are quite a few packages needed for a minimal install :-). The installer should take care of them for you, though. |
| 19:45.59 | chops | PrMoriarty: build-essential |
| 19:46.10 | PrMoriarty | chops, if the package take care of them i m fine then |
| 19:46.38 | PrMoriarty | chops, what is build-essential? |
| 19:46.49 | sco50000 | PrMoriarty: a package |
| 19:46.54 | chops | PrMoriarty: It's the package that you install if you want to be able to do basic compilation of C and C++ code |
| 19:46.55 | sco50000 | PrMoriarty: install it |
| 19:46.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, my debian system was working well, but not it just boots in console mode, is not starting the X, how can I solve that? I have to log in with my user and run 'startx' |
| 19:47.13 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: Install xdm/kdm/gdm/whatever |
| 19:47.13 | mrgenixus | hi -- I've got some sort of problem with libusb-0.1-4 and in order to fix the problem, it seems to want to delete base-system, apt, some other important stuff, and I'm getting a segfault when I try to apt-get update. all of this happened after I tried to switch to a faster mirror and used netselect-apt to pick a new one: fastbull.org |
| 19:47.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, I have installed gdm |
| 19:47.29 | PrMoriarty | ok ok |
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| 19:47.42 | mrgenixus | gonzaloaf_laptop: is is set to start in your default runlevel? |
| 19:47.48 | PrMoriarty | plz don t blame me for this question |
| 19:47.57 | PrMoriarty | but for a Graphical user interface |
| 19:47.57 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: Is it running? Is it set to run? Is it failing for some reason? |
| 19:48.01 | daba | http://www.tipovidaba.bloger.hr |
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| 19:48.12 | PrMoriarty | what i must install xorg or xfree? |
| 19:48.17 | chops | PrMoriarty: Install 'kde' or 'gnome' |
| 19:48.23 | chops | PrMoriarty: xfree is removed from Debian for some time now |
| 19:48.37 | mrgenixus | it stopped being 'free' |
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| 19:48.48 | sco50000 | mrgenixus: change all your mirrors to ftp.debian.org, and see if it works then |
| 19:48.51 | PrMoriarty | lol strange thing xfree is not free nox |
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| 19:48.56 | mrgenixus | I guess they should call it ex-free |
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| 19:49.11 | chops | mrgenixus: Bah-dum-dum-chshhhh |
| 19:49.18 | mrgenixus | ty, ty |
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| 19:49.21 | PrMoriarty | last question promise |
| 19:49.25 | PrMoriarty | i will search after |
| 19:49.35 | PrMoriarty | but i forget the command for auto configure xorg |
| 19:49.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, I tried to run it, but it doesnt run |
| 19:49.45 | chops | PrMoriarty: dexconf is the standard one |
| 19:49.51 | sco50000 | PrMoriarty: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:49.59 | gonzaloaf_laptop | mrgenixus, how do I verify that? |
| 19:50.00 | PrMoriarty | nice nice |
| 19:50.02 | PrMoriarty | very nice |
| 19:50.13 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: What happens when you try to run it? Are there any error messages anywhere? |
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| 19:50.25 | PrMoriarty | thank you i m fine ^^ |
| 19:50.28 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: '/etc/init.d/gdm start' is the standard way to run it |
| 19:50.35 | PrMoriarty | sco50000, ;) |
| 19:50.40 | PrMoriarty | chops, ;) |
| 19:50.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, yes I did that |
| 19:51.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, nop, just return to the prompt |
| 19:51.44 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: Is there anything interesting in the logs in /var/log? |
| 19:51.54 | chops | gonzaloaf_laptop: Also, X is capable of starting with 'startx', right? |
| 19:52.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, gaf3:~# cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ---> /usr/bin/gdm |
| 19:52.13 | mrgenixus | wtf dood! |
| 19:52.22 | gonzaloaf_laptop | chops, yes I have to do that every time I oot |
| 19:52.24 | gonzaloaf_laptop | boot* |
| 19:52.26 | mrgenixus | -- yeah that fixes it. |
| 19:53.22 | mrgenixus | sco50000: thanks -- so how do I get a good mirror that won't take me 12 hours to do all my updates.... |
| 19:53.37 | chops | mrgenixus: netselect is the right way to do it |
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| 19:53.45 | mrgenixus | i'm currently only pulling at 60kB/s |
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| 19:53.50 | sco50000 | mrgenixus: i don't know i used that netselect thing you were talking about and my speeds are great |
| 19:53.55 | mrgenixus | chops: but that's how I got here |
| 19:54.11 | mrgenixus | sco50000: well -- I'll use the official for now |
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| 19:55.04 | sco50000 | mrgenixus: well, i know a good one if you live near saskatchewan ;) |
| 19:55.11 | chops | mrgenixus: I don't know what to say about that. I use netselect and it's never caused apt-get update to segfault :-/ |
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| 19:55.24 | mrgenixus | lol |
| 19:55.32 | sco50000 | it's probably the mirrors problem in some way |
| 19:55.36 | mrgenixus | I'm tracert-ing to see my best hop out of comcast |
| 19:56.09 | mrgenixus | It looks like my best short-haul link should be in ca |
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| 19:56.42 | sco50000 | mrgenixus: you live in canada? |
| 19:56.51 | mrgenixus | I LIVE in colorado |
| 19:57.37 | mrgenixus | my nearest non-comcast hop is in califonia |
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| 19:57.51 | mrgenixus | well, between here and ftp.debian.org, but I route through nashville and denver to get there |
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| 20:00.08 | chops | mrgenixus, sco50000: FWIW, no behavior by a mirror should ever cause apt-get to segfault; if it does that may be a security problem in apt-get |
| 20:00.50 | mrgenixus | chops: possibly -- I was having a lot of problems that resolved when I switched to the official mirror |
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| 20:00.53 | sco50000 | chops: bugs do exist though |
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| 20:01.11 | chops | mrgenixus: Did you ever actually install packages from that mirror? |
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| 20:01.33 | mrgenixus | couldn't |
| 20:01.40 | mrgenixus | it would have uninstalled apt first |
| 20:02.21 | mrgenixus | so, no |
| 20:02.50 | chops | mrgenixus: How did you manage to netselect that mirror from Colorado? It looks like an Italian site to me. |
| 20:03.05 | chops | mrgenixus: (Not that that has anything to do with segfaults in apt-get) |
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| 20:03.09 | mrgenixus | becuase, as far as I can tell, comcast == itard. |
| 20:03.31 | mrgenixus | my nearest out-of network hops eems to be connecting from nashville |
| 20:03.32 | felix_da_catz | Yes, even though they do want to do 105mbps to the house. I hate comcast |
| 20:04.05 | chops | mrgenixus: What exactly do you mean by "segfault"? |
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| 20:04.24 | xingu | heh, the wife's notebook has firefox sitting at 1.3GB |
| 20:04.31 | xingu | I think that's quite possibly a new record |
| 20:05.51 | felix_da_catz | So the apt cron.daily script. It has some variables in there. Do I uncomment the # "APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists=1" line? Or do I change the UpdateInterval=0 setting? |
| 20:05.51 | mrgenixus | that's what it said -- I assume, it attempted to reference a value by pointer that wasn't part of a valid page |
| 20:05.51 | felix_da_catz | xingu: Beats my record. |
| 20:05.51 | chops | mrgenixus: It literally said the word, "segfault"? |
| 20:05.51 | mrgenixus | no |
| 20:05.52 | chops | mrgenixus: Because when I switch to that mirror I get errors because that mirror doesn't work... but not a seg fault. |
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| 20:05.52 | mrgenixus | it said "Segmentation Fault" I didn't relize there was a semantic difference |
| 20:05.52 | mrgenixus | i did some other stuff -- I can't imaging what I might have done trying to get it to work |
| 20:06.07 | xingu | felix_da_catz: bloody popcap ;) |
| 20:06.11 | chops | mrgenixus: What other stuff? |
| 20:06.21 | mrgenixus | chops: I've lost track |
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| 20:06.28 | mrgenixus | I did an apt-update clean |
| 20:07.05 | mrgenixus | I had a lot of problems related to a synaptic crash that resulted in an undeleted lock file |
| 20:07.13 | felix_da_catz | xingu: lol |
| 20:07.17 | chops | mrgenixus: Huh. Well, in any case, if you can reproduce the seg fault, it's probably worth a bug report, since apt-get is certainly not supposed to seg fault. If you're trying to get new packages, using fastbull.org won't get you much of anywhere, since that mirror has been moved |
| 20:07.28 | dlx | i'm running sarge and clamav but clamav complains that it's outdated so i added debian-volatile to my sources.list but now apt holds the upgrades back? |
| 20:07.57 | chops | dlx: Step 1 is to upgrade to etch |
| 20:08.15 | dlx | lol i'm sorry i meant etch :( |
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| 20:08.22 | chops | mrgenixus: Hm, that might be a problem, yes |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | dlx: explicitly install it |
| 20:08.42 | azeem | w31 |
| 20:08.43 | mrgenixus | but everything seems to be in order now |
| 20:08.43 | azeem | bah |
| 20:08.55 | chops | dlx: Use aptitude, not apt-get, also |
| 20:08.58 | dlx | abrotman: that will cause no problems? |
| 20:09.05 | abrotman | dlx: well sure it could |
| 20:09.18 | chops | dlx: Look at the operations it's proposing when it tries to install the package |
| 20:09.26 | chops | dlx: If none of them seem problematic, you should be okay |
| 20:09.46 | dlx | yeah i ran apt-get -s install and it just installed the packages plus libclamav3 |
| 20:10.15 | dlx | ok then i will just try installing it...thx |
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| 20:13.42 | dlx | the installation worked without any problems, thx again |
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| 20:14.32 | chops | dlx: np |
| 20:15.04 | mrgenixus | gtg |
| 20:15.05 | mrgenixus | thanks |
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| 20:16.39 | wng- | I just installed the fglrx driver and compiz, and when i run compiz, it starts out fine, but eventually my menubar (in GNOME) goes all white, and occasionally entire application windows (like firefox) turn all white. Any ideas? |
| 20:16.44 | tudon | anyone know a bit about xorg xvideo and open source ati drivers? my xvideo quality looks like it is half the quality in pixels or something . but xshm looks fine |
| 20:17.05 | ayblh | hi all |
| 20:17.29 | tudon | like for ever 2 pixels it shows 1 |
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| 20:25.52 | simonrvn | blah blah blah bleh bloh bleargh |
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| 20:28.59 | mike-ekim | can someone help me, Im trying to set up a debian distro on a Ubuntu Xen server, I am getting a little mixed up cause most documentation I am finding shows how to create guest hosts from the same operating system the xen-server is running, so I am getting a little bit thrown off on specifying which kernel to use, etc. |
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| 20:29.36 | jelly-home | Eulex: there's a lot of stuff going back these days as well |
| 20:29.40 | macksss | how does one sort top by CPU usage at the top? |
| 20:29.53 | macksss | top -k doesn't seem to do what i need it to :-/ |
| 20:29.54 | simonrvn | debian != ubuntu |
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| 20:30.06 | jelly-home | Eulex: disregard; I shouldn't answer hour old lines |
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| 20:30.30 | mike-ekim | right |
| 20:30.35 | jelly-home | simonrvn: he _knows_ that, I think :-) |
| 20:30.45 | ferret_0667 | does Debian Lenny have the Freetype Bytecode interpreter enabled already for better-looking antialiasing for fonts on LCDs? |
| 20:30.48 | mike-ekim | but theres ways to have a xen server use multiple os |
| 20:31.09 | bush | mike-ekim: try #ubuntu |
| 20:31.16 | jelly-home | ferret_0667: I thought Debian always had the bytecode interpreter available |
| 20:31.20 | ferret_0667 | there is an autohinter and then there is the bytecode interpreter which looks more like Cleartype font smoothing |
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| 20:31.47 | ferret_0667 | jelly-home: hmm...maybe it's my ~/.fonts.conf that needs changing then |
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| 20:32.19 | ferret_0667 | is there any way to make sure the bytecode interpreter is enabled? |
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| 20:33.21 | Guerin | ferret_0667: 1. start up an app which uses antialiased fonts 2. look at fonts |
| 20:33.55 | ferret_0667 | well...I'm just going to change my ~/.fonts.conf for one on this page by Toods: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linuxquestions.org-member-success-stories-23/making-non-antialiased-fonts-looks-nice.-257705/page9.html |
| 20:34.11 | jelly-home | in xfce, I have "use antialiasing", "use hinting: full", "use sub-pixel hinting: ffs no!" |
| 20:34.52 | ferret_0667 | jelly-home: are you using an LCD? |
| 20:35.01 | jelly-home | ferret_0667: yes. it's a laptop |
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| 20:35.46 | ferret_0667 | hmmm...for me, checking and unchecking "Use sub-pixel hinting" in XFCE seems to do nothing |
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| 20:37.17 | jelly-home | ferret_0667: it translates to this .fonts.conf, apparently: http://paste.debian.net/48959 |
| 20:37.25 | SteveC | Anyone running amavis-new with clamav/spamassassin - how do you review quarantined emails? |
| 20:37.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, my debian system was working well, but not it just boots in console mode, is not starting the X, how can I solve that? I have to log in with my user and run 'startx' |
| 20:38.09 | ferret_0667 | jelly-home: I just moved my ~/.fonts.conf away |
| 20:38.12 | cedeel | is the x server in the default runlevel? |
| 20:38.16 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I dont see anything like S99gdm in /etc/rc2.d |
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| 20:38.28 | simonrvn | mike-ekim: my bad, misunderstood you |
| 20:38.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, how do I check that? |
| 20:38.37 | cedeel | then do a rc update and add gdm |
| 20:38.43 | porkpie | hi guy's how do I uninstall a .deb with dpkg ? |
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| 20:39.10 | cedeel | dpkg -r package.deb |
| 20:39.24 | simonrvn | "guys"; dpkg -P <packagename>; man dpkg |
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| 20:39.42 | simonrvn | which you should've read before coming here |
| 20:40.08 | mike-ekim | simonrvn: ? |
| 20:40.09 | cedeel | rc-update add gdm default |
| 20:40.30 | simonrvn | update-rc.d |
| 20:40.35 | cedeel | anybody get 2.6.24.2 to compile on amd64? |
| 20:40.37 | ferret_0667 | and I still think it does nothing |
| 20:40.57 | ferret_0667 | that is, checking and unchecking "Use sub-pixel hinting" in XFCE |
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| 20:41.07 | ferret_0667 | I'm going to logout of the GUI, brb |
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| 20:41.46 | ferret_0667 | ok, back |
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| 20:44.06 | ferret_0667 | hmm...the ~/.fonts.conf file is not recreated by XFCE...wtf? |
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| 20:46.27 | bkw__ | I've a intel P965 with onboard audio that doesn't work. I don't know why. I've tried to compile latest alsa drivers with my 2.6.18-6 kernel. But still it doesn't work. aslamixer give alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 20:46.47 | effe[utf] | ferret_0667, looks like it is enabled for >=2.2.1-2 |
| 20:47.40 | porkpie | guy's how do I install a single package using apt-get .... I just tried to install amanda client and it wanted to install postfix as well :| |
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| 20:48.02 | dondelelcaro | porkpie: it requires an MTA, so you'll need to install something like nullmailer, esmtp or postfix. |
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| 20:48.29 | porkpie | I have an MTA installed .... Zimbra |
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| 20:49.41 | porkpie | dondelelcaro:maybe I can just download the .deb |
| 20:49.48 | dondelelcaro | porkpie: that won't help. |
| 20:49.59 | porkpie | hmm! |
| 20:50.00 | porkpie | OK |
| 20:50.09 | dondelelcaro | porkpie: if you've got zimbra installed, then it's not the Debian package, and most likely doesn't properly Provide: mail-transport-agent or similar. |
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| 20:50.32 | dondelelcaro | porkpie: if you've actually got a working /usr/lib/sendmail, then you should install an equivs package which Provides: mail-transport-agent |
| 20:50.51 | porkpie | OK |
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| 20:51.06 | yenno | hi, which package is this file in? libnet.so.1 |
| 20:51.13 | dondelelcaro | !tell yenno -about search |
| 20:51.29 | dondelelcaro | !+find libnet.so.1 |
| 20:51.30 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:51.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libnet.so.1' (2): (/usr/lib/libplibnet.so.1.8.4) in libs/plib1.8.4c2 ;; (/usr/lib/{libnet.so.1|libnet.so.1.3.0}) in libs/libnet1. |
| 20:52.58 | yenno | thanks |
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| 20:53.55 | abrotman | i tried the zimbra stuff .. IIRC it also provides its own postfix and cyrus/courier/apache packages |
| 20:54.09 | mik__ | Hi guys. Need some help about keymapping |
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| 20:54.31 | mik__ | i have to map for example function+f10 to x-Key |
| 20:55.35 | abrotman | actually .. tried is a bit strong .. i downloaded them all .. and thought "this is just crazy" |
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| 20:59.00 | simonrvn | abrotman: zimbra is one of those "take over your machine" groupware thingies |
| 20:59.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: i noticed |
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| 20:59.38 | simonrvn | a guy in #ldap works for them (aka yahoo) |
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| 21:08.36 | andrboot | hi.. when i go to install mysql db's i ge tthis http://pb.adullamirc.net/153 any ideas? |
| 21:08.54 | niere_ | which of the following two versions of a package would be considered by apt the newer one: 1.2-4bla1 or 1.2-4 |
| 21:08.57 | cobol | anyone know of any autoinstall CDs for SPARC that I can just drop in and let run? i dont have a head or a keyboard for this unit :-/ |
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| 21:09.45 | niere_ | (or, the other way around, would the version 1.2-4 meet a dependency for 1.2-4bla1 ?) |
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| 21:11.07 | chops | niere_: I believe 1.2-4bla1 |
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| 21:11.45 | vlatko | <andrboot> check this out, might help u :/ : http://www.astahost.com/info.php/mysql-errors-error-13_t7854.html |
| 21:12.02 | chops | niere_: The progress generally goes through some subset of 1.2~beta1, 1.2, 1.2+cvs20080210, 1.3 |
| 21:12.09 | andrboot | @ vlatko any idea how to get apt-get to "recreate" the files/folders ? |
| 21:12.13 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, how do I do a rc update? |
| 21:12.14 | niere_ | chops: hm, i thought so, too :/ |
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| 21:12.42 | chops | niere_: (In that order) |
| 21:12.50 | cedeel | update-rc.d script_name defaults |
| 21:12.56 | andrboot | the main problem is.. i accident;y rm'd some files.. that mysql needed.. so i apt-get remove apt-get insatll mysql-server and it didn't recreate them.. any ideaS? thats the main problem :p |
| 21:13.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how do I add the X server to the default runlevel? |
| 21:13.05 | chops | !tell andrboot about reinstall |
| 21:13.08 | cedeel | update-rc.d gdm defaults |
| 21:13.15 | chops | andrboot: Er... apt-get --reinstall install should also work |
| 21:13.29 | andrboot | hnmm |
| 21:13.33 | chops | andrboot: The commands dpkg told you are more for reinstalling every package on your system |
| 21:13.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, this is the output: System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist. |
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| 21:13.50 | andrboot | rofl. |
| 21:13.55 | cedeel | then why does it fail |
| 21:13.56 | andrboot | ok trying now |
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| 21:14.16 | andrboot | @ chops no go.. still erroring like crap |
| 21:14.26 | chops | andrboot: Can you pastebin the error? |
| 21:14.33 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, I dont know |
| 21:14.39 | chops | andrboot: You may have to do some surgery... |
| 21:14.47 | cedeel | did you check your logs? |
| 21:14.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, maybe my system is set to run in console mode? |
| 21:14.48 | andrboot | chops.. it installs fine... but it doesn't recreate the files i accidently rm'd |
| 21:15.03 | chops | andrboot: What files? |
| 21:15.08 | andrboot | idk.. i just want mysql backup :p |
| 21:15.17 | andrboot | the main mysql data file |
| 21:15.22 | chops | andrboot: Are you removing, or purging? |
| 21:15.23 | andrboot | folder |
| 21:15.27 | vlatko | <andrboot> dammit! i had that problem i still can't remember the solution... let me check something, pls... |
| 21:15.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, what abou this line in xorg logs: Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! |
| 21:15.42 | chops | andrboot: You should purge, manually remove any mysql data files and directories that remain, and reinstall |
| 21:15.54 | chops | andrboot: (Assuming that you don't have any mysql data you care about anymore) |
| 21:16.07 | andrboot | nah. |
| 21:16.12 | andrboot | all the data i care is on a diff drive. |
| 21:16.12 | ferret_0667 | now I have a different problem: I have this in /etc/apt/sources.list, but I can't seem to select the "unstable" or "sid" branches while getting the source package for dasher like this: apt-get -t unstable source dasher |
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| 21:16.37 | ferret_0667 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 21:16.44 | cedeel | what about the gdm log? |
| 21:16.49 | cedeel | or system log |
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| 21:17.08 | ferret_0667 | I just updated my package listings, too |
| 21:17.08 | zergrush | LOL33TA.COM - WE PUT THE 1337 IN LOLITA /\.\ ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN LINUX SAMMICH FAIL \\./LOL33TA.COM - WE PUT THE 1337 IN LOLITA /\.\ ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN LINUX SAMMICH FAIL \\./LOL33TA.COM - WE PUT THE 1337 IN LOLITA /\.\ ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN LINUX SAMMICH FAIL \\./LOL33TA.COM - WE PUT THE 1337 IN LOLITA /\.\ ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN LINUX SAMMICH FAIL \\./LOL33TA.COM - WE PUT THE 1337 IN LOLITA /\.\ ROWTOW.COM - BETTER THAN LINUX SAMMICH F |
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| 21:17.20 | ferret_0667 | ... |
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| 21:17.31 | x_link | enouf: Hi! I read that. But didn't tell me anything special. |
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| 21:17.36 | andrboot | oh-oh |
| 21:17.36 | andrboot | lol. |
| 21:17.42 | andrboot | i think im going to sweara bit |
| 21:17.42 | andrboot | lol |
| 21:17.52 | ferret_0667 | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:17.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, this is the gmd log: v |
| 21:17.58 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, http://pastebin.ca/900365 |
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| 21:18.20 | andrboot | must of rm'f wrong crap |
| 21:18.26 | andrboot | time to reinstall debian |
| 21:18.26 | andrboot | lol. |
| 21:18.43 | simonrvn | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:18.46 | ferret_0667 | andrboot: rofl |
| 21:18.58 | cedeel | gonzaloaf_laptop: does x work? |
| 21:19.07 | andrboot | whats what i get when i rm'f |
| 21:19.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | cedeel, yes I log in as a user and run startx |
| 21:19.24 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: might as well do Server20 or regexp of that, sinc all of those have come in with that user name |
| 21:20.06 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I haven't seen any of them recently, but if they come again, will do. |
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| 21:20.23 | simonrvn | there was one last night i know of |
| 21:20.31 | ferret_0667 | can you make an LVM snapshot to protect you from rm -rf /? |
| 21:20.48 | dondelelcaro | ferret_0667: or backups, yes. |
| 21:20.52 | S4nD3r | Im trying to install vmware-player in a computer with linux, but theres no internet there. How to use apt-get just do download the packages to install there? |
| 21:21.07 | chops | !tell S4nD3r about apt-offline |
| 21:21.15 | cobol | omg my #ubuntu is terrible |
| 21:21.23 | vlatko | <andrboot> can't find a thing... just apt-get remove it, then apt-get clean or autoclean... and then the instalation again :/ sorry... |
| 21:21.26 | chops | S4nD3r: Er |
| 21:21.32 | chops | S4nD3r: Try google for 'apt-offline' :-) |
| 21:21.56 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: the usual method is to use apt-zip or similar. |
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| 21:22.55 | proc | hello. I'm trying to install debian via the win32-loader, but I think I need some drivers for my wlan card to setup the network - how can I install drivers during the installation? |
| 21:23.48 | ferret_0667 | "apt-get -t unstable source dasher" does not select the dasher source package out of "unstable" aka "sid" |
| 21:23.52 | ferret_0667 | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 21:24.02 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, my debian system was working well, but not it just boots in console mode, is not starting the X, how can I solve that? I have to loging with my user and run 'startx' |
| 21:24.09 | ferret_0667 | I have that in /etc/apt/sources.list, am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:24.38 | ferret_0667 | I am running Debian Lenny |
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| 21:25.19 | samiam | davidou: sorry I am not the maintainer of the debian package guile-pg |
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| 21:25.44 | ferret_0667 | gonzaloaf_laptop: do you have something like GDM or XDM installed? |
| 21:25.48 | dkr | ferret_0667: did you update after changing sources.list? |
| 21:25.53 | ferret_0667 | dkr: yes |
| 21:25.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ferret_0667, yes gdm |
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| 21:26.29 | ferret_0667 | gonzaloaf_laptop: I think your runlevel configuration is messed up |
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| 21:27.02 | md70 | ferret_0667, or he could try reinstall gdm first |
| 21:27.07 | andrboot | @ vlatko i broke apt-get |
| 21:27.08 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I cannot remove gdm, see the output please: http://pastebin.ca/900373 |
| 21:27.12 | andrboot | thanks anyway :) |
| 21:27.17 | andrboot | ill just reinstall |
| 21:27.17 | andrboot | ;P |
| 21:27.32 | vlatko | <andrboot> sorry dude :/ |
| 21:27.34 | ferret_0667 | gonzaloaf_laptop: you can force remove it and then reinstall it |
| 21:27.51 | vlatko | <andrboot> aptitude doesn't works? |
| 21:27.56 | ferret_0667 | oh, nvm |
| 21:28.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ferret_0667, force-remove_ |
| 21:28.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ?? |
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| 21:28.28 | PetoKraus | hello guys |
| 21:28.33 | PetoKraus | one short question |
| 21:28.35 | PetoKraus | http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704/info |
| 21:28.39 | PetoKraus | when it'll get fixed? |
| 21:28.40 | andrboot | i rm'd stuff i hsouldnt |
| 21:29.45 | Bushmills | PetoKraus: but isn't it fixed? says "kernels prior to 2.6.24.1" |
| 21:29.51 | PetoKraus | i mean |
| 21:29.53 | PetoKraus | in etch ;) |
| 21:29.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, how can I remove completely gdm? 'apt-get remove --purge gdm' is not working for me: http://pastebin.ca/900373 |
| 21:30.17 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 21:30.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdminvoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. |
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| 21:31.08 | PetoKraus | hmm |
| 21:31.16 | PetoKraus | it's probably partially removed |
| 21:31.29 | ferret_0667 | wow, even sid is very outdated for the dasher package |
| 21:31.48 | gonzaloaf_laptop | how can I remove it then? |
| 21:31.57 | Guerin | ferret_0667: because you haven't packaged the new version yert |
| 21:32.05 | PetoKraus | try apt-get -f install first |
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| 21:32.14 | PetoKraus | you may have some broken dependencies |
| 21:32.17 | ferret_0667 | Guerin: I wonder how you do that and then upload it |
| 21:32.24 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 21:32.28 | PetoKraus | then switch to console, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 21:32.29 | Guerin | wonder no more! |
| 21:33.00 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: pkill gdm |
| 21:33.01 | S4nD3r | Which packages I need, in operating system (linux) to install vmware player??? I will download it, to install in a pc thats no internet... |
| 21:33.02 | Guerin | enouf: pkill bad |
| 21:33.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, nothing |
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| 21:33.22 | md70 | gonzaloaf_laptop, if it issues that error while in text mode I'd edit the gdm script in init.d with "exit 0" as first line, if nothing else works. |
| 21:33.23 | Guerin | S4nD3r: we don't care, because it's not in debian |
| 21:33.39 | enouf | likely not even installed |
| 21:33.40 | S4nD3r | sorry, ill #vmware |
| 21:33.42 | S4nD3r | ready |
| 21:33.43 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 21:33.45 | gonzaloaf_laptop | md70, yes I think is the only one solution |
| 21:33.52 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: as root kill -9 gdm |
| 21:34.06 | debian-is-me | Do you have graphicks drivers for PlayStation 3? |
| 21:34.17 | md70 | try what enouf says first, it's cleaner |
| 21:34.56 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: the usual place to put exit 0 is at the top of the postinst{rm} script |
| 21:35.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | I did, gdm is not running |
| 21:35.20 | enouf | stop failed, reload failed, ok, she's dead jim |
| 21:35.57 | Guerin | debian-is-me: no. |
| 21:36.01 | md70 | enouf I'd try to run the postinst script by not making it stop in the init.d script, maybe postinst has useful stuff to do... |
| 21:36.05 | debian-is-me | Guerin: None? |
| 21:36.16 | debian-is-me | I cant use compiz fusion on ps3? |
| 21:36.18 | Guerin | debian-is-me: ps3 is not a supported architecture. |
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| 21:36.42 | Guerin | debian-is-me: so we neither know nor care about hardware support for it. |
| 21:36.57 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ok now I could remove gdm, why does gdm doesnt load a boot? |
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| 21:37.39 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: what did you alter to remove it? |
| 21:37.52 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 21:37.55 | md70 | btw I think ps3 graphic card is not supported by any linux distro... last time i checked. so compiz is not likely to run. |
| 21:38.10 | debian-is-me | Guerin: architecture? Isnt it an normal x86 cpu? |
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| 21:38.12 | zomak | Does anyone know which xorg driver should i use with Hewlett-Packard Company Visualize FXe graphics card on my hppa system (HP Visualize B2000) |
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| 21:38.29 | enouf | exit 0 gonzaloaf_laptop? if so, did you now --purged remove it? |
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| 21:38.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, yes |
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| 21:38.58 | aboyz | Anyone know why my lo:0 interface is not auto starting up after a reboot. I have to do it manaully ifup lo:0 . I don't want to do that everytime. Here is what it is in my /etc/interface . look here. http://pastebin.ca/900233 |
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| 21:39.04 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, next step reinstall it? |
| 21:39.20 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, or do I have to remove more gdm shit around here? |
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| 21:39.27 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: so ls -l /etc/init.d/gdm and ls /etc/rc.d/*gdm* shows nothing? |
| 21:39.28 | md70 | gonzaloaf_laptop, yes, make sure the init.d gdm script has been removed |
| 21:39.31 | setog3 | hi, my system is going slow for a while .. and I don't know what is the problem .. how to now if the access on disk are correctly done ? |
| 21:39.31 | Guerin | debian-is-me: if it's stock gear, ask about the specific chipset you're on about. but I bet it's not stock gear. |
| 21:39.38 | enouf | gah |
| 21:39.43 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: so ls -l /etc/init.d/gdm and ls /etc/rc?.d/*gdm* shows nothing? |
| 21:39.52 | debian-is-me | Damn |
| 21:39.58 | debian-is-me | I see they have debian for ps3 |
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| 21:40.36 | md70 | debian-is-me, ps3 has cell cpus which are same family of powerpc |
| 21:40.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | setog3: hdparm /dev/hda (or sda or whatever the disk is) - check if DMA access is enabled |
| 21:40.48 | Guerin | debian-is-me: not actual debian. |
| 21:40.49 | md70 | yellow dog linux supports the ps3 iirc |
| 21:40.50 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, I'm clean |
| 21:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | setog3: also of course check with "top" if something is eating up all processor power, if you haven't done that already |
| 21:41.24 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: any kdm/xdm/wdm installed? run apt-get update and then try again to reinstall gdm |
| 21:41.30 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, noup |
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| 21:41.36 | debian-is-me | md70: They are good for compiling? |
| 21:41.50 | ericrw | anyone try the new linux-kernel-xen packages? |
| 21:42.00 | ericrw | (linux-image-xen rather) |
| 21:42.06 | enouf | er try aptitude install gdm even gonzaloaf_laptop .. which release are you using Etch? |
| 21:42.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | setog3: also check in /var/log/messages if there are a lot of timeouts and failures from the harddisk - that probably means the disk is slowly dying and you should replace it |
| 21:42.14 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, lenny |
| 21:42.27 | md70 | I dunno what packaging system yellowdog uses, but if you want to compile any distro should do. |
| 21:42.32 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: runlevel says? |
| 21:42.39 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: 'runlevel' says? |
| 21:42.53 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, excuse me? |
| 21:42.57 | bkw__ | strange, I've compiled latest asla on my p965 ich8 board and still get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.00 | enouf | the command gonzaloaf_laptop |
| 21:43.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, N 2 |
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| 21:43.30 | setog3 | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, thx, I try |
| 21:43.40 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: ok, as root; telinit 1; apt-get update; apt-get install gdm |
| 21:43.54 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, ok |
| 21:43.56 | gonzaloaf_laptop | brb |
| 21:44.28 | setog3 | but how to have something similar to top for write and read access ? |
| 21:45.00 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, is there a problem if I didnt do the telinit 1 ? |
| 21:45.30 | enouf | shouldn't be gonzaloaf_laptop , just my silly precationary measure |
| 21:45.42 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, aptitude install gdm is removing gnome-core, ekiga, eog, gedit,... many gnome pkgs, why? |
| 21:45.45 | enouf | er precautionary even |
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| 21:45.55 | chops | debian-is-me: Even if it did use an x86 CPU, which it doesn't, it wouldn't be "normal"... |
| 21:46.02 | chops | debian-is-me: Er, sorry, late |
| 21:46.05 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: wonderful - what's your sources.list look like? |
| 21:46.14 | krazykit | i've upgraded to linux-image-2.6.24-1, and the nvidia binary drivers built and modprobe fine, but X refuses to load, claiming "(module does not exist, 0)" and "no drivers available". |
| 21:46.36 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 21:46.56 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: i always use apt-get -s install ... (-s for simulation) when that happens |
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| 21:47.37 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, now what should I do? the pgks have been removed |
| 21:47.40 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: your installation got screwy somewhere, or upgrade/dist-upgrade never done correctly |
| 21:47.52 | krazykit | dmesg does not report any problems with loading the module, either, just mentioning the normal tainting of the kernel and that it's loading the module. |
| 21:48.01 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: you could reinstall them if you need them |
| 21:48.01 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, so? run the upgrade again? |
| 21:48.18 | gonzaloaf_laptop | maybe running the dist-upgrade again solve that |
| 21:48.23 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: maybe they were conflicting, maybe old, unused, deprecated, who knows |
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| 21:48.50 | enouf | gonzaloaf_laptop: sure, go ahead - but make sure you have no sid sources .. you have one line only in soures.list? |
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| 21:49.02 | enouf | where's your pastebin of your entire file? |
| 21:49.03 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, ok |
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| 21:50.18 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, see you later.. I have to run |
| 21:50.21 | debian-is-me | how do I automagicaly delete an user and home folder? |
| 21:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | setog3: I don't think that exists... if it does, I don't know about it. Processes doing a lot of IO should show up in top also... and it shouldn't really affect the performance of the system... Look in top, if your swap is used - and if swap is enabled at all... and look for processes using excessive amounts of RAM |
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| 21:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | setog3: to check if swap is used, you could do swapoff -a , then swapon -a |
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| 21:52.36 | setog3 | ok, all seem to be good , no swap use.. only one thing hdparm say that smart is enable on the disk.. |
| 21:52.48 | setog3 | and multcount to 16 .. but can't go to 32 |
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| 21:55.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should be ok |
| 21:55.25 | md70 | debian-is-me, man userdel |
| 21:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | userdel $USER? |
| 21:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 21:55.56 | grendal_prime | ok this is just making me crazy whats the difference between rsync and rsyncd |
| 21:55.58 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 21:56.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | d == daemon |
| 21:56.17 | debian-is-me | md70: I dont need no man |
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| 21:56.49 | debian-is-me | I just guess the syntax |
| 21:56.52 | grendal_prime | ya...but how does that behave diff from a client looking at a file on a share and rsyncing it with another file on a different share? |
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| 21:57.41 | nios | do i really need cups for add printer ? |
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| 21:57.46 | grendal_prime | what i need is for rsync to run the hash on a local file then compair the hash with another rsync hash on a differnt machine. |
| 21:57.52 | Legality | Hi, hey, how can I boot a different kernel remotely? |
| 21:57.53 | grendal_prime | is that what the daemon does? |
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| 21:58.18 | Legality | I need to, first see the alternatives and then reboot the box with a new kernel |
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| 21:58.58 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.58 | md70 | grendal_prime, you could use md5sum manually, if all you need is comparing two hashes |
| 21:59.15 | debian-is-me | Should I use dolphin but not grub? |
| 21:59.30 | Legality | LassieTheBrave: I know, but I've searched the man and cant find how to see the alternatives and reboot the box with a new kernel :( |
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| 21:59.41 | jetscreamer | ls /boot |
| 21:59.44 | jetscreamer | and look |
| 22:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime: the difference is.. you are using an rsyncd instead of letting rsync using a shell.... probably giving you some extra functionality or something... but I've never used the daemon |
| 22:00.13 | Legality | jetscreamer: how can I choose which kernel it boots? |
| 22:00.15 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.25 | Legality | LassieTheBrave: yeah, I found it already :> |
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| 22:00.38 | jetscreamer | note that with grub, alternatives are alternative options to kernels that are in the list |
| 22:00.48 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.02 | jetscreamer | but you can have many kernels... Legality enable default saved instead of default 0 |
| 22:01.22 | jetscreamer | in menu.lst then just run update-grub and it will populate your list for you |
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| 22:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | grendal_prime: istn't that what rsync does all the time(?) or does itnormally just look at the last-change date? |
| 22:01.49 | jetscreamer | READ THE FILE CAREFULLY FIRST AND BACK IT UP BEFORE EDITING |
| 22:02.07 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.12 | LassieTheBrave | *from |
| 22:02.31 | enouf | you can also play with grubs failsafe options |
| 22:02.36 | jetscreamer | if you're looking to boot kernels that are on other partitions, you can do that too |
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| 22:02.47 | jetscreamer | but update-grub won't find them magically |
| 22:03.02 | Legality | LassieTheBrave: I've got 3 options in the menu.lst and the first alternative is the one i want. I have no idea how to choose it as default :| |
| 22:03.17 | jetscreamer | edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change default 0 to default saved |
| 22:03.35 | jetscreamer | and make sure there is a savedefault directive in the stanza |
| 22:03.40 | Legality | it is |
| 22:03.44 | Legality | default saved? |
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| 22:03.52 | jetscreamer | yes instead of default 0 |
| 22:03.55 | jetscreamer | read the file |
| 22:03.57 | Legality | ok |
| 22:03.58 | jetscreamer | it tells you |
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| 22:04.14 | jetscreamer | make a backup |
| 22:04.40 | Legality | jetscreamer: all the kernel options have "savedefault" on the last line |
| 22:04.50 | Legality | how will the default saved decide which one to load? |
| 22:04.54 | jetscreamer | yes i thought so, just thought you should make sure |
| 22:04.54 | md70 | Legality you said you remote boot it? default saved doesn't seem right |
| 22:05.00 | jetscreamer | it remembers what you last booted |
| 22:05.07 | jetscreamer | if you remote boot that's different |
| 22:05.08 | md70 | I'd use default saved when i have a keyboard |
| 22:05.18 | Legality | hmm |
| 22:05.41 | jetscreamer | just copy your stanza and put it above the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC thing, and make/leave it default 0 |
| 22:05.46 | Legality | jetscreamer: do I have the change the lines(savedefault) from the 2 kernel options I dont want to load. |
| 22:05.53 | jetscreamer | no |
| 22:06.03 | jetscreamer | are you remote booting? |
| 22:06.07 | Legality | yes |
| 22:06.19 | jetscreamer | then you probably don't want default saved |
| 22:06.23 | Legality | lol |
| 22:06.24 | jetscreamer | quite probably |
| 22:06.31 | jetscreamer | jsut do what i said last |
| 22:06.36 | jetscreamer | just copy your stanza and put it above the DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC thing, and make/leave it default 0 |
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| 22:06.52 | kenjy | How can I defrag a ext3 partition? |
| 22:07.19 | jetscreamer | above this line: ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 22:07.31 | Legality | jetscreamer: do I cut/paste the 2 other kernel options BELOW the DEBIAN AUTOMATGIC thing? |
| 22:07.34 | grendal_prime | CutMeOwnThroat: ya thats what i though...but im running it on a 1.7 gig file through a vpn, and it times out..(or dies) just figureing out what it needs to copy. |
| 22:07.49 | valdyn | kenjy: what for? |
| 22:08.07 | jetscreamer | Legality: everything in the middle of that ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST will be magically recreated... dont' bother removeing them unless you just feel like it |
| 22:08.13 | kenjy | valdyn: to fix a treashold disk problem |
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| 22:08.20 | jetscreamer | jsut copy whatever you want above or below it |
| 22:08.22 | grendal_prime | i was thinking if i could get each side of the process to build the hash and then compair the hash.. |
| 22:08.30 | grendal_prime | grrr i guess i set it up and try it |
| 22:08.31 | jetscreamer | above, and default 0, is what you want |
| 22:08.43 | kenjy | and thats my bussines valdyn, I asked how can I defrag a ext3 partition not if defrag its the solution for my problem |
| 22:09.12 | jetscreamer | i think there's an ext2 defragger |
| 22:09.16 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 22:09.17 | Legality | jetscreamer: ok, I removed the 2 other kernel options. Now the kernel option I want to reload is alone in abot the begin automagic kerne... thing |
| 22:09.20 | jetscreamer | jsut lose the journel |
| 22:09.23 | beardy | kenjy: Not a good way to get people to help you. |
| 22:09.35 | jetscreamer | Legality: now copy it to above the automagic thing |
| 22:09.37 | beardy | And I only give one hint today. |
| 22:10.06 | kenjy | beardy: you can't help me because you don't know how to defrag a ext3 partition |
| 22:10.20 | Legality | lol I'm being slow here |
| 22:10.22 | kenjy | and I said a true, its my bussines ;) |
| 22:10.32 | jetscreamer | Legality: anything between the automagic thing will be erased, and what was there will automagically be recreated |
| 22:10.32 | md70 | kenjy he knows: backup, mkfs, restore. |
| 22:10.45 | jetscreamer | what was there before you erased it i mean |
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| 22:10.53 | unsolo | Im having and issue with phpmyadmin |
| 22:10.55 | beardy | kenjy: Why don't I know? |
| 22:11.00 | kenjy | md70: thats sounds good but its a software raid |
| 22:11.10 | unsolo | doesnt it default install to localhost/phpmyadmin ? |
| 22:11.11 | Legality | jetscreamer: ok, now in menu.lst the there is only 1 kernel option abot ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 22:11.12 | md70 | kenjy, so what? |
| 22:11.26 | Legality | jetscreamer: I rebooted the server but I'm not sure if the new kernel is loaded |
| 22:11.40 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.41 | jetscreamer | Legality: copy it to above the BEGIN AUTOMAGIC i said |
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| 22:12.00 | jetscreamer | Legality: but, if you did not run update-grub you're ok |
| 22:12.10 | kenjy | md70: I can free space that can help? |
| 22:12.18 | Legality | jetscreamer: I do not have a BEGIN AUTOMATGIC line there |
| 22:12.21 | Legality | just end |
| 22:12.31 | jetscreamer | i think you might, seriously |
| 22:12.36 | md70 | kenjy backup, mkfs mdadm restore |
| 22:12.42 | jetscreamer | everything that has an end has a beginning |
| 22:12.51 | Legality | LassieTheBrave: it prints out "Linux" |
| 22:13.01 | jetscreamer | above the ## ## Start Default Options ## |
| 22:13.02 | kenjy | ok |
| 22:13.22 | Legality | jetscreamer:ok, so I copy the kernel option I want to load after that right? |
| 22:13.25 | jetscreamer | Legality: just copy it to the beginning of the file then |
| 22:13.26 | valdyn | md70: "mkfs mdadm" ? uh? |
| 22:13.35 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.41 | md70 | valdyn, i listed the commands, not the options |
| 22:13.53 | md70 | backup by itself doesn't work too :D |
| 22:13.59 | valdyn | md70: yea, i just dont understand where mdadm is part of this |
| 22:13.59 | jetscreamer | Legality: anything not in the middle of the default options section will need to be amended manually |
| 22:14.24 | Legality | jetscreamer: I copied the kernel option to the beginning in the menu.lst |
| 22:14.26 | md70 | kenjy says it's a software raid |
| 22:14.32 | Legality | now I reboot? |
| 22:14.45 | jetscreamer | Legality: define 'option' |
| 22:15.20 | Legality | jetscreamer: this http://pastebin.org/19119 |
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| 22:15.31 | unsolo | Anyone got a tip how to make phpmyadmin show up as "any address"/phpmyadmin |
| 22:15.32 | Legality | That's now the first thing in the menu.lst |
| 22:15.40 | Legality | unsolo: alias? |
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| 22:15.56 | Legality | unsolo: check #apahce |
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| 22:15.59 | Legality | apache* |
| 22:16.02 | unsolo | in the conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf ? |
| 22:16.03 | md70 | unsolo, not easy unless you tell us what http server you use... |
| 22:16.10 | unsolo | apache2 |
| 22:16.16 | Legality | go to #apache |
| 22:16.17 | md70 | then #apache :D |
| 22:16.24 | Legality | jetscreamer: ? |
| 22:16.25 | Shadow_7 | Should I be concerned about "setting kernel variables...failed" in the boot process? Along with a preceeding udev and procps failed message. |
| 22:16.34 | unsolo | but why doesnt it even work as default |
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| 22:16.42 | valdyn | Shadow_7: yes |
| 22:16.47 | unsolo | to localhost/phpmyadmin |
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| 22:16.55 | chops | unsolo: On Debian, I believe that it does (unless you've done some vhost configuration on your own) |
| 22:16.56 | valdyn | Shadow_7: is that a custom kernel? |
| 22:17.06 | Shadow_7 | valdyn: any suggestiongs for correcting it? yes, it's a custom kernel. |
| 22:17.14 | valdyn | Shadow_7: use a debian kernel. |
| 22:17.21 | chops | unsolo: If you've modified your apache config... well, there you are :-) |
| 22:17.28 | jetscreamer | Legality: yes, but i don't recognize those module directives.. here let me paste mine |
| 22:17.28 | Legality | jetscreamer: are ya still around? |
| 22:17.30 | tyraelx | Shadow_7: why are you using a custom kernel if you dont know what your doing? |
| 22:17.35 | Shadow_7 | valdyn: as in make-kpkg, or other? |
| 22:17.46 | unsolo | not really |
| 22:17.51 | valdyn | Shadow_7: as in a kernel supplied by debian |
| 22:17.56 | unsolo | well ill poke around. |
| 22:18.02 | valdyn | Shadow_7: make-kpkg is just the debian way to build a custom kernel |
| 22:18.19 | Legality | argh.. can anyone help me to boot a new kernel to my debian? |
| 22:18.25 | Shadow_7 | tyraelx: that's a rather big assumption there... BTW, ndiswrapper + martian win-modem driver + other reasons not to run a stock kernel. |
| 22:18.35 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.44 | chops | unsolo: In the default config (IIRC) phpmyadmin goes into /usr/lib/cgi-bin, which is accessible via http://localhost/cgi-bin/phpmyadmin |
| 22:18.50 | Legality | LassieTheBrave: I give you a cigar if ya help me |
| 22:18.55 | valdyn | Shadow_7: ndipper doesnt need a cus custom kernel |
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| 22:19.14 | Shadow_7 | Well, is 1.52 in debian stable/etch yet? |
| 22:19.18 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:19.21 | jetscreamer | Legality: maybe this will help http://linux.hfds.com/files/menu.lst |
| 22:19.22 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.23 | LassieTheBrave | ? |
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| 22:19.26 | valdyn | Shadow_7: ndiswrapper needs no custom kernel |
| 22:19.27 | chops | Shadow_7: Things don't go into stable "yet" |
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| 22:19.45 | chops | Shadow_7: etch is etch, and will remain so. If you need something that's a newer version and can't wait for a new stable version, use a backprot |
| 22:19.50 | chops | *backport |
| 22:19.55 | Shadow_7 | Not that I can apt-get it off the net without having it working to start with. |
| 22:19.57 | jetscreamer | wait wtf |
| 22:20.37 | Shadow_7 | Anyway, back to the original issue, why is my custom kernel getting a setting kernel variables...failed message? |
| 22:20.46 | unsolo | chops: hmm wasnt found on this server.. |
| 22:20.47 | jetscreamer | ah ok it was cached |
| 22:20.51 | valdyn | Shadow_7: because you have no procfs |
| 22:20.53 | Laney | How can I set the level of questions that I'm asked when installing packages? |
| 22:20.59 | jetscreamer | Legality: http://linux.hfds.com/files/menu.lst |
| 22:21.32 | Legality | jetscreamer: does that menu.lst load Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.24.3 as default kernel because its the first? |
| 22:21.35 | chops | unsolo: Have you modified your apache config? (I would assume so, since you seem to have more than 1 vhost, whereas Debian comes just with the default vhost enabled on all IPs) (again this is all IIRC) |
| 22:21.42 | valdyn | Shadow_7: maybe your custom kernel isnt that bad, except that you forgot to enabe proc support |
| 22:22.05 | valdyn | Laney: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 22:22.13 | chops | Shadow_7: If you're installing a hand-compiled kernel on Debian, you should use make-kpkg to build a Debian-style kernel with a configuration as close to the Debian stock config as possible |
| 22:22.17 | LassieTheBrave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.21 | Laney | valdyn: Thanks |
| 22:22.24 | Shadow_7 | valdyn: as in CONFIG_IDE_PROC_FS=y? it is enabled. And CONFIG_ACPI_PROCFS=y. And CONFIG_PROC_FS=y |
| 22:22.31 | Legality | ok, check this |
| 22:22.33 | unsolo | chops: yea ofc i want more than one vhost ;) since i want it to work on http://*/phpmyadmin |
| 22:22.34 | Shadow_7 | so how is it "not" enabled? |
| 22:22.46 | valdyn | Shadow_7: yes |
| 22:22.47 | unsolo | but thanks for trying chops |
| 22:22.48 | jetscreamer | Legality: no it load it because it is savedefault .. if i had default 0 then yes it would be for that reason. |
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| 22:22.56 | valdyn | Shadow_7: the init script is failing as you showed |
| 22:22.58 | jetscreamer | but i have default saved |
| 22:23.05 | unsolo | btw i have not tampered with the apache2.conf nor the phpmyadmin.conf |
| 22:23.20 | Legality | jetscreamer: check my menu.lst: http://pastebin.org/19125 |
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| 22:23.31 | Shadow_7 | But wouldn't that be a problem in the init scripts? |
| 22:23.31 | Legality | jetscreamer: shouldn't that load the XEN kernel as default? |
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| 22:23.49 | valdyn | Shadow_7: it could, but why would you be the only one seeing that problem? |
| 22:24.10 | valdyn | Shadow_7: if it was a newly introduced bug in debian, there would be plenty people here complaining |
| 22:24.38 | valdyn | Shadow_7: still, to be sure you can use a debian kernel and see if that works |
| 22:24.39 | unsolo | completely removed it and reinstalled still doesnt show. |
| 22:24.39 | chops | unsolo: You complained that it "doesn't even work as default"... I'm just saying that it would have if you hadn't modified the apache config. Not that anything you did to reconfigure apache was wrong, but that the thing about your apache config was something you introduced, not anything that came with Debian. |
| 22:24.45 | Shadow_7 | I doubt I'm the only one. I saw the same error on my debian unstable install |
| 22:24.48 | jetscreamer | Legality: yes, atm it will, but update-grub will nuke it. put it ABOVE the ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST as seen in YOUR pastebin |
| 22:24.58 | Legality | ok |
| 22:25.10 | chops | unsolo: You could try putting the directives for phpmyadmin (alias/directory/etc) outside any vhost directive and see if that solves your problem |
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| 22:25.33 | Legality | jetscreamer: is it ok now? http://pastebin.org/19126 |
| 22:25.40 | Shadow_7 | Not that I'm noticing any problems despite the error. |
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| 22:25.57 | valdyn | Shadow_7: what'S in /proc ? |
| 22:26.03 | chops | unsolo: In would be in extremely poor taste for a web app installed on a Debian server to immediately start running by default on all of its (possibly hundreds of) vhosts... |
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| 22:26.38 | Shadow_7 | Aside from martian modem not compiling. SA_INTERRUPT and SA_SHIRQ cause compile errors. Appears to be some related to the headers not getting drawn in. |
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| 22:27.23 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Legality |
| 22:27.23 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies Legality, you did it! |
| 22:27.26 | unsolo | chops: no but the localhost/phpmyadmin one was the suprise |
| 22:27.44 | unsolo | no problem tho |
| 22:27.45 | jetscreamer | Legality: now run update-grub and see what happens to in the middle, if you want |
| 22:27.57 | unsolo | sure i can work it out somehow |
| 22:28.03 | chops | unsolo: Well, if you configured that vhost, you're responsible for its behavior. If you're still running the Debian default vhost on localhost, and phpmyadmin didn't come up there, I'd be surprised. |
| 22:28.21 | chops | unsolo: We're still waiting for dh_dwim :-) |
| 22:28.26 | unsolo | its still running the default yea.. |
| 22:28.37 | unsolo | i simply added one file to conf.d |
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| 22:28.59 | unsolo | and enabled vhost ofc |
| 22:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear... since I updated to the last winehq wine package, the applications crash in the file menue :( |
| 22:29.16 | jessen | anyone here successfuly connected to a radius server using wpa supplicant before? |
| 22:29.17 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Unstable? |
| 22:29.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | does someone know what the main difference between the winehq wine-packets and the debian-wine pacckets normally are? |
| 22:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, unstable, too |
| 22:29.57 | Shadow_7 | valdyn: the normal stuff is there. along with proc on /proc type proc in mount |
| 22:29.57 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Check the BTS? |
| 22:29.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should try to go back to the debian ones |
| 22:30.02 | azeem | CutMeOwnThroat: different packager |
| 22:30.13 | azeem | as in, somebody else does a totally different package |
| 22:30.16 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh, winehq. Yeah, we can only support Debian packages here. |
| 22:30.22 | chops | CutMeOwnThroat: (obviously) |
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| 22:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | chops: obviously :) |
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| 22:31.00 | Shadow_7 | valdyn: although one symptom of sorts if that modules in /etc/modules are not loading at boot. |
| 22:31.13 | Legality | haha noo |
| 22:31.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets see if the debians work... I had (obviously) switched to the winehq ones some time previously because I had problems with the debian ones |
| 22:31.26 | ethan961 | !mold |
| 22:31.26 | dpkg | mold is probably what grows on debian |
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| 22:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:31.45 | Legality | jetscreamer: I did update-grub and saw how the kernel options were put again to the default thingy.. I rebooted the server but it still load the old kernel :( |
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| 22:32.29 | zapnap | trying to help save a friend who botched an exim4 install |
| 22:32.42 | aluno | Hi there... I need to install a header of kernel, I dontt know how to do... I know to use apt-get |
| 22:32.51 | zapnap | i'm a little mystified as to what happened here, but when i try to apt-get install exim4 i get |
| 22:32.52 | zapnap | Error: Unsplit config selected and /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template missing ... exiting |
| 22:32.56 | aluno | But, Id like to install header correct to my kernel version |
| 22:33.01 | zapnap | any thoughts/suggestions are welcome |
| 22:33.05 | unsolo | chii: thanks for helping out. |
| 22:33.19 | unsolo | i mean chops but hes gone.. |
| 22:33.50 | aluno | ? |
| 22:34.10 | Legality | jetscreamer: seriously :> What am I doing wrong? |
| 22:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got abot 100 xterms open in one of them I must still edit sources.list with vi... but which :) |
| 22:35.11 | tyraelx | aluno: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers |
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| 22:35.39 | aluno | this is installed |
| 22:35.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha, success... and of course it was sent to the bg and even the shell suspended :) |
| 22:35.50 | valdyn | aluno: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 22:36.04 | valdyn | aluno: linux-kernel-headers is something else |
| 22:36.30 | aluno | linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686: Depende: linux-headers-2.6.18-4 (= 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12) mas 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 está para ser instaladoE: Pacotes quebrados |
| 22:36.36 | aluno | The package is broken |
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| 22:37.10 | valdyn | aluno: your on etch straight? |
| 22:37.29 | aluno | sure |
| 22:37.50 | valdyn | aluno: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot |
| 22:38.08 | aluno | oh no... I just need this package |
| 22:38.22 | Legality | jetscreamer: don't leave my babyyy! |
| 22:38.26 | valdyn | aluno: you need your system to be up to date within etch/stable |
| 22:38.39 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 22:38.39 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:38.56 | aluno | So then... its a problem |
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| 22:39.06 | aluno | because Im installing vmware player |
| 22:39.17 | dkr | better yet. follow the release upgrade instructions in the manual/release notes. they are more complicated than apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and more reliable for more situations |
| 22:39.24 | aluno | and, some packages are asked to install it |
| 22:39.29 | aluno | Im installing each one |
| 22:39.32 | valdyn | aluno: why shouldnt you be able to install the latest security fixes? |
| 22:39.33 | aluno | manually |
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| 22:40.12 | aluno | because I will need to do the same installations in another 5 PCs, without internet ! |
| 22:41.39 | valdyn | aluno: thats really funny, leaving holes open on the only internet box because other boxes arent on the net |
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| 22:42.15 | valdyn | aluno: but thats your problem, see what dpkg said about sdn |
| 22:44.10 | aluno | deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" |
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| 22:44.20 | aluno | I took this sources, I will try to upgrade ! |
| 22:44.38 | aluno | 5 PCs without internet... oh my God !!! |
| 22:45.51 | ethan961 | oMG!!!11one |
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| 22:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | twothreefour? |
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| 22:51.35 | ethan961 | fiv3 51x 7 8 |
| 22:51.36 | mfowle | can anyone suggest a AIM/ICQ client for X? |
| 22:51.48 | mfowle | thats not pidgin, as pidgin is a @#$@#$ piece of junk that crashes liek crazy |
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| 22:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that was windows |
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| 22:53.59 | Bushmills | mfowle: "generic" solution may be bitlbee - a sort of relay server between irc client and IM networks. |
| 22:54.00 | joyfulgirl | mfowle: Hm. Graphical only? Have you considered using bitlbee in your IRC client (which I'm presuming is X-based)? Other than that I've no suggestions :-/ |
| 22:54.24 | S3rv3rSid3 | Hi everyone. I downloaded .tar.gz eclipse's cpp editor, from official site, but i don't know what should I do with it, anyone? |
| 22:54.26 | mfowle | yeah i used to use bitlbee. i havent had a good computer to run screen+irssi on though lately. |
| 22:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ethan961: now it's getting too 1337 for me :) |
| 22:54.35 | Bushmills | joyfulgirl: same thought |
| 22:54.56 | joyfulgirl | Bushmills: What's that saying about great minds? |
| 22:55.06 | aluno | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:55.11 | aluno | dpkg -i libssp0_4.1.1-21_i386.deb |
| 22:55.12 | aluno | dpkg -i gcc-4.1_4.1.1-21_i386.deb |
| 22:55.15 | Bushmills | not much except that they seem to come across |
| 22:55.30 | aluno | This will work in a script? |
| 22:55.32 | cheeseboy | anyone know a screen recorder? |
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| 22:55.57 | nevyn | screen recorder? |
| 22:56.21 | nevyn | like typescript or screen ? |
| 22:56.22 | aluno | aa !/bin/sh |
| 22:56.25 | aluno | aa dpkg -i libssp0_4.1.1-21_i386.deb |
| 22:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... that sounded really painful... guess I'm keeping the current version of gcc my brain has and never update it :) |
| 22:56.30 | aluno | aa dpkg -i gcc-4.1_4.1.1-21_i386.deb |
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| 22:56.40 | \amethyst | cheeseboy: recordmydesktop, istanbul, or byzanz |
| 22:56.41 | joyfulgirl | nevyn: Is this for X or for a terminal? |
| 22:56.48 | \amethyst | cheeseboy: assuming you mean graphical |
| 22:56.53 | nevyn | joyfulgirl: terminal. |
| 22:56.57 | nevyn | well.. |
| 22:57.12 | nevyn | the ones I've said so far are for recording terminal sessions |
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| 22:57.48 | HSorgYves | re |
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| 22:58.12 | HSorgYves | what does "killall gnome-panel" really call? "/usr/bin/killall /usr/bin/gnome-panel"? |
| 22:58.33 | joyfulgirl | cheeseboy: script should be installed on your system |
| 22:58.41 | dkr | which command will tell you what path to command is being used |
| 22:58.42 | joyfulgirl | nevyn: Oh, sorry, mistook you for the OP |
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| 22:58.45 | inigo | nevyn, ttyrec (and ttyplay) |
| 22:58.48 | cheeseboy | joyfulgirl, ? |
| 22:58.56 | joyfulgirl | dkr: `which command' |
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| 22:59.08 | HSorgYves | dkr: is only killall the command or gnome-panel as well? |
| 22:59.09 | joyfulgirl | cheeseboy: It records a terminal session |
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| 22:59.41 | dkr | joyfulgirl: I don't think it expands to the absolute path for the argument, no |
| 22:59.57 | dkr | oops,mean HSorgYves |
| 22:59.59 | cheeseboy | joyfulgirl, want to record screen not terminal |
| 23:00.07 | HSorgYves | dkr - ok thx |
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| 23:00.29 | joyfulgirl | dkr: Ah, don't know then, other than what \amethyst suggested above. |
| 23:00.30 | kisielk | I'm a bit confused about the Xen packages in Debian |
| 23:00.33 | kisielk | particularly the kernels |
| 23:00.36 | joyfulgirl | dkr: Oh, sorry |
| 23:00.36 | HSorgYves | dkr - may i assume that killall is installed in /usr/bin? |
| 23:00.41 | joyfulgirl | cheeseboy: Ah, don't know then, other than what \amethyst suggested above. |
| 23:00.42 | kisielk | what's the difference between the regular and the -vserver kernels for xen? |
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| 23:01.08 | dkr | HSorgYves: if you run the command: which killall it will tell you where killall is |
| 23:01.10 | inigo | if you want to record tty: ttyrec. For monitoring purposes... there are other packages |
| 23:01.14 | joyfulgirl | dkr: What shell are you using? On my system it's the absolute path |
| 23:01.36 | HSorgYves | dkr: i know, but what if i need it from a script and want to check it is there...? |
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| 23:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, type -p in bash (or just type) which is internal in tcsh / csh but external for bash... type is internal in bash |
| 23:02.00 | dkr | joyfulgirl: killall is a binary. it's not a shell issue |
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| 23:02.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dkr, also, there is whereis (which does not only expand) |
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| 23:07.13 | joyfulgirl | dkr: Right...I thought you were asking for the absolute path to a program, which would be `which program' |
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| 23:09.07 | Bushmills | HSorgYves if [-x .... ] |
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| 23:09.20 | Bushmills | or better, if [[ -x ... ]] ; then ... |
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| 23:09.44 | sander_m | Question: I just spend 2 hours fighting with my home network trying to establish a gigabit link when only 100 Mbit would come up each time. Turns out the cable was bad. Two of the connector's pins didn't connect. Isn't there some tool that can tell me a cable has only 3 functioning pairs? If Linux can negotiate ethernet, surely it can tell me that gigabit failed because it doesn't have 4 connected pairs in the wire? Or is that auto negotiatio |
| 23:09.44 | sander_m | n implemented fully in hardware? |
| 23:10.23 | Bushmills | hmm |
| 23:10.31 | Bushmills | talking to empty air |
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| 23:12.21 | dondelelcaro | sander_m: that's a question of hardware, and generally the hardware doesn't have the stuff to test it (and to really test it would require so much extra stuff that there's little point) |
| 23:12.53 | dondelelcaro | you'd actually need a real cable tester (not just a continuity tester) anyway to really do anything useful |
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| 23:13.48 | sander_m | Okay, thanks. I'll be getting myself one then. I've been bitten by a bad cable before and it just takes too much time to discover. Especially if you can't quickly swap a cable and re-test. |
| 23:14.05 | jetscreamer | heh. nothing like a bad cable to take up your time. i mean, who looks at the cables first? |
| 23:14.26 | jetscreamer | you could always take a multimeter to it |
| 23:14.45 | dondelelcaro | that really only tests continuity |
| 23:15.07 | jetscreamer | what else messes up? cept the pins |
| 23:15.27 | jetscreamer | touching |
| 23:15.38 | sander_m | Can I detect one or two bad pins/wires using a multimeter? |
| 23:15.48 | dondelelcaro | sander_m: in most cases, yes. |
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| 23:16.01 | Bushmills | sander_am often, not |
| 23:16.19 | jetscreamer | sometimes it's a short that will be happy to connect when you test, and disconnect after you plug it in... |
| 23:16.23 | Bushmills | sander_m: what is connection for DC is not necessarily connection for HF |
| 23:16.32 | sander_m | Okay. |
| 23:16.37 | jetscreamer | what's hf.. high freq? |
| 23:16.40 | Bushmills | yes |
| 23:16.52 | jetscreamer | thx |
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| 23:17.36 | jetscreamer | so what is the actual difference between cat.. ot nm |
| 23:17.41 | mfowle | anyone have suggestions for X based AIM/ICQ programs? |
| 23:17.49 | jetscreamer | !info pidgin |
| 23:17.54 | jetscreamer | aka gaim |
| 23:17.54 | dpkg | pidgin: (graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 869 kB, Installed size: 2356 kB |
| 23:17.55 | sander_m | Different question: What tool do you use to put connectors on cat5/6 cable? I can't imagine a professional network engineer who has to install a hundred new cables using one of these crappy squeezy wrenches. |
| 23:17.58 | jetscreamer | pigdin? |
| 23:18.01 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:18.20 | Bushmills | jetscreamer: he's a bot. keeps asking the same question |
| 23:18.26 | Bushmills | :) |
| 23:18.30 | mfowle | i am not a bot |
| 23:18.31 | dondelelcaro | sander_m: professionals hire contracters to do it |
| 23:18.38 | mfowle | and last time i was smart enough to ask for a client other than pidgin |
| 23:18.41 | sander_m | Hehehe :-) |
| 23:18.52 | linuxfreck | sander_m: or they use factory made patch cables |
| 23:18.54 | mfowle | but thats for your turing test. its always nice making sure i am human. |
| 23:18.59 | jetscreamer | i don't do aim so no idea |
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| 23:19.18 | sco50000 | mfowle: kopete |
| 23:19.26 | linuxfreck | sander_m: nevertheless there are professional crimp tools, but the fiddling the wires into the plug before crimping stays the same |
| 23:20.06 | Bushmills | would I write a smart bot, I'd program it to deny that it is a bot, too |
| 23:20.15 | jetscreamer | must save a lot of money doing the crimping yourself or it wouldn't be the thing to do, i guess |
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| 23:20.16 | ethan961 | haha |
| 23:20.29 | jetscreamer | in bulk |
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| 23:21.12 | sander_m | I'll try to find one. I have a simple/cheap crimp tool but it works only about half the time. I think I spend over 8 hours in tracking bad connectors in my home network. |
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| 23:21.15 | FLUXxXx | Hello! I'm sorry for this question but i don't know where to ask. Let's say you have a blog and you want to add other blog's posts so you copy/paste the first 2-3 paragraphs and add a 'read full storry' link at the end. How would you call the blog category holding these external story links? |
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| 23:22.10 | ethan961 | is this #wordpress? |
| 23:22.16 | Bushmills | actually, what makes us not bots? just the notion that we evolved? |
| 23:23.07 | linuxfreck | Bushmills: well, we just define 'bots' to not include us :p |
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| 23:23.40 | Bushmills | linuxfreck: wouldn't bots do the same, if it was within their capabilities? |
| 23:23.43 | jetscreamer | stob |
| 23:24.44 | linuxfreck | Bushmills: kinda philosophical question, no? are bots able to define things? |
| 23:25.11 | Bushmills | given enough sophistication, yes, probably. |
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| 23:25.23 | Bushmills | after all, we are |
| 23:25.25 | Bushmills | :) |
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| 23:27.24 | distatica | can I install debian to a fat32 partition, just as simply as ext3, just by telling it to use that as / mount point? |
| 23:27.34 | Bushmills | statistically, it seems to be more likely that we're all just simulations. |
| 23:27.51 | peleg | Hey buddies... I can't get help in #apache so I ask here: |
| 23:27.51 | peleg | It's a really simple problem, and I have done everything quite right, it seems; I have one domain name and two subdomains. one of the subdomains works fine and points to its own directory, but the other one (phpmyadmin.domain.org) points to the main domain (default) directory instead. It looks like there is a config file somewhere that overrides the phpmyadmin file in sites-available. Can anyone help me for a few minutes with it |
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| 23:28.34 | Bushmills | "hey all, the butcher didn't have any mince so I try it at the cobbler's" |
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| 23:29.33 | themill | distatica: you probably could, but you really don't want to do that. FAT32 can't cope with file permissions that you need to have a sane unix machine. |
| 23:29.44 | ferret_0667 | !dh maintainers |
| 23:29.50 | distatica | oh of course |
| 23:29.54 | distatica | thanks, great point. |
| 23:30.04 | ferret_0667 | where is the debian maintainers guide? |
| 23:30.23 | themill | !nmg |
| 23:30.23 | dpkg | from memory, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 23:30.35 | peleg | Was my question completely out of the subject in this channel? :-) |
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| 23:30.54 | andre_pl | I need the assistance of a true command-line guru. |
| 23:30.58 | Bushmills | peleg: how many were able to answer? |
| 23:30.58 | distatica | peleg: you could try asking in #web too, hit or miss. You might find someone with an idea. |
| 23:31.27 | andre_pl | I want to be able to control a console based app by writing to a fifo and having it piped to stdin of that app. |
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| 23:31.33 | distatica | peleg: most people will just say #apache though, which sucks I know. |
| 23:31.36 | andre_pl | i think its possible with netcat or something, but not entirely sure. |
| 23:31.39 | peleg | distatica: thanks, I'll try. |
| 23:31.49 | distatica | peleg: Bushmills asked a question |
| 23:31.53 | peleg | Bushmills: what did you mean? |
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| 23:31.59 | shamrock | Has anyone here using testing experienced ssh hanging when trying to ssh into a remote site the past couple of days? |
| 23:32.33 | jetscreamer | define hang |
| 23:32.44 | jetscreamer | as in pause, or die |
| 23:32.47 | dondelelcaro | shamrock: what does ssh -v foohost; output? |
| 23:32.53 | shamrock | jetscreamer: sat there doing nothing and saying nothing. |
| 23:32.55 | Bushmills | shamrock: yes, me. but now the hard disk of that system is borked. |
| 23:33.02 | peleg | Bushmills: ? |
| 23:33.10 | Bushmills | died 2 h ago completely |
| 23:33.40 | shamrock | dondelelcaro: last message is "debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received" then sits there. Happens on all ssh hosts I know. |
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| 23:34.37 | dondelelcaro | shamrock: somethiing is most likely wrong with your ssh configuration then, as it should then start entering the authentication methods phase. |
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| 23:34.58 | dondelelcaro | shamrock: but in the meantime, attach strace to that process and see if it's making any interesting system calls |
| 23:35.09 | shamrock | dondelelcaro:I will check the system ssh config. maybe an update hosed it. |
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| 23:36.16 | shamrock | dondelelcaro: nothing has changed. Wierd. |
| 23:37.20 | shamrock | dondelelcaro: I knew it. Its seahorse again. "connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/tmp/ssh-DNKBqA4169/agent.4169.seahorse"}" Any ideas how to solve this? |
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| 23:37.51 | dondelelcaro | shamrock: that's just ssh-agent. |
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| 23:38.23 | shamrock | but sing seahorse to access keys no? |
| 23:38.26 | shamrock | using |
| 23:39.07 | dondelelcaro | possibly, but normally you'd just use ssh-agent itself. If you think that's the problem, run something like unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK; ssh -v blahblah; and see what's going on |
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| 23:39.59 | bolt | is there a script that's automatically run AFTER login is allowed at boot time? I tried putting my wireless connection script into rc.local, but it takes a few seconds to get connected, and i'd like to be logging in while that's going on. can I put my script somewhere so it will allow login and then run the script? |
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| 23:40.41 | bolt | I don't need to see the output from it. either it works or it doesn't. i'll find that out once i need the internet |
| 23:40.50 | jetscreamer | rc.local maybe, not sure bolt |
| 23:41.00 | jetscreamer | it goes last afaik |
| 23:41.11 | bolt | jetscreamer: as i wrote, i tried that. it goes last, but you can't log in until it's done |
| 23:41.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:41.25 | bolt | jetscreamer: and i don't want to wait for the wireless to get going |
| 23:41.35 | dondelelcaro | bolt: so start it, and fork it off while it goes on |
| 23:41.50 | dondelelcaro | bolt: ( foo commands to get wireless running ) & in rc.local, FE. |
| 23:42.04 | bolt | dondelelcaro: ah. of course. |
| 23:42.13 | jetscreamer | fe? |
| 23:42.16 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 23:42.16 | dpkg | Fe is Ferrum, or Iron, atomic number 26, 55.847amu. FE is dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, ie 'eg.'. FE can also mean Functional Entity or possibly Form End. front-end |
| 23:42.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 23:42.56 | bolt | dondelelcaro: I've only used that to launch applications without them occupying my terminal in X. never thought about using it in my rc.local :) thanks |
| 23:43.12 | jetscreamer | it's just a big script, i guess |
| 23:43.14 | dondelelcaro | !now you know |
| 23:43.14 | dpkg | And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
| 23:43.16 | jetscreamer | rc.local |
| 23:43.46 | Sadneophyte | hihi, I am an idiot who no longer wants to use a non-debian system; are the 'rumors' true that debian (i386) 4.0 can operate with 64 bit kernel space !?! :) |
| 23:44.12 | azeem | Sadneophyte: that has nothing to do with Debian |
| 23:44.21 | dondelelcaro | Sadneophyte: we've had 64 bit versions for ages, but no, you generally want amd64, not i386. |
| 23:44.49 | Sadneophyte | but can i386 userspace have a 64 bit kernel? |
| 23:44.54 | shamrock | dondelelcaro: unsetting SSH_AUTH_SOCK did the trick. |
| 23:44.57 | ethan961 | how would that have nothing to do with debian? |
| 23:45.11 | dondelelcaro | Sadneophyte: no reason why not. |
| 23:45.30 | azeem | ethan961: it's a kernel feature so to say |
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| 23:45.39 | Sadneophyte | <- I am grinning and happy |
| 23:45.46 | ethan961 | i guess |
| 23:45.50 | dondelelcaro | shamrock: yeah, something is wrong with your ssh-agent. I don't know what the seahorse bit is, normally it's just agent.pid for the ssh-agent socket. |
| 23:45.51 | |seb| | Easy way to allow non-root app to listen to port 80? |
| 23:45.54 | jetscreamer | yes you can run a 64bit kernel in 32bit userland |
| 23:46.05 | jetscreamer | i just installed such a kernel in such a userland |
| 23:46.16 | Sadneophyte | I am so looking forward to using more debian... |
| 23:46.19 | themill | Sadneophyte: http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 is installable with i386 userland. |
| 23:46.25 | jetscreamer | things like nvidia-installer may need speckial care though |
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| 23:46.37 | Sadneophyte | themill thanks ... hanks all |
| 23:47.19 | themill | shamrock: there are a few similar-sounding bugs for the seahorse package that might be instructive. |
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| 23:49.01 | dondelelcaro | |seb|: authbind |
| 23:49.05 | ruxpin | how can I disable the ssh key checking when connecting to an unknown host? |
| 23:49.52 | |seb| | dondelelcaro: yes! thanks! |
| 23:49.58 | ruxpin | I mean the one the asks 'yes' on the first connect and writes the fingerprint to ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 23:50.15 | dondelelcaro | ruxpin: man ssh_config; and read about host key checking. |
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| 23:50.37 | wizard_ | re all |
| 23:50.40 | wizard_ | a question: is i want to install the SUN Java EE 5 SDK Update 4 (with JDK 6 U4), is there a way to do it using apt, or do i have to get the binary from sun's site? |
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| 23:50.48 | dondelelcaro | (though you *want* to check the ssh keys unless you like man-in-the-middle attacks) |
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| 23:50.59 | jetscreamer | wizard_: some is in contrib and/or non-free |
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| 23:51.12 | jetscreamer | wizard_: nm i know nothing |
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| 23:51.25 | wizard_ | in the apt i have Java EE 5 SDK Update 4 (with JDK 6 U4) |
| 23:51.30 | wizard_ | ah |
| 23:51.32 | wizard_ | wrong paste |
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| 23:51.57 | wizard_ | i have sun java development kit v 5.0 |
| 23:52.04 | ruxpin | dondelelcaro: I mean if there is an option for the ssh client to skip this chck |
| 23:52.13 | wizard_ | but its 15 megs, whereas the bin on sun's site is about 160 megs |
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| 23:52.28 | themill | wizard_: for etch, sun-java6 is on debian-multimedia.org. /msg dpkg dmme |
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| 23:52.34 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 23:52.35 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hello, my X doesnt load at boot, I have reinstalled it and updated rc.d scripts, can you help me how to fix it? |
| 23:52.41 | gonzaloaf_laptop | enouf, are you there? |
| 23:52.46 | jetscreamer | no /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 23:53.44 | wizard_ | themill: define etch |
| 23:53.44 | themill | jetscreamer: dmme has specific instructions for using dmm with etch |
| 23:53.59 | themill | !etch |
| 23:53.59 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 23:54.01 | dnanar | i'm looking for any laptop which would be selled with no OS on it or with debian (or alike..), at a shop which cann ship it to Europe (franc). Does anyone know this kind of shop please (with laptop around $1500) ? |
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| 23:54.17 | wizard_ | ah, eh, :D |
| 23:54.19 | jetscreamer | themill: oh i thought you typo'd |
| 23:54.30 | wizard_ | thanks themill |
| 23:54.37 | themill | :) |
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| 23:56.37 | dondelelcaro | ruxpin: the option is in ssh_config... |
| 23:57.08 | unic0rn | howdy. i'm tracking down some problem and i would like to ask you if anyone with unstable with iceweasel and flash player 9 could check http://tomaw.net/~unic0rn/ and join #services there? |
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| 23:58.06 | unic0rn | just to check if connection succeeds |
| 23:58.13 | dnanar | anyone knows please ? :D |
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| 23:58.40 | peleg | dnanar: what are you looking for exactly? |
| 23:58.47 | jetscreamer | dnanar: try pricewatch.com |
