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| 00:03.11 | debian__ | How many debian packages is there? |
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| 00:03.34 | path_ | is it relevant debian__ ? |
| 00:03.45 | path_ | about 10000 if Im not mistaken |
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| 00:03.52 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 00:03.58 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 22595 packages, 1914 maintainers, 57902 MB installed size, 20034 MB compressed size. |
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| 00:04.17 | path_ | there you have debian__ |
| 00:04.21 | path_ | !dstats etch |
| 00:04.26 | andrew[andrboot] | Any ideas? |
| 00:04.29 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18599 packages, 1730 maintainers, 41493 MB installed size, 13602 MB compressed size. |
| 00:04.45 | yzaLyzarC | So since I use etch I loose packages? |
| 00:04.48 | abrotman | andrew[andrboot]: look at those files .. see which is responsible for creating the default databases |
| 00:04.54 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: not really |
| 00:04.57 | cafuego | I have an oddity with SELinux and postfix, which I'm not sure how to fix: "fatal: inet_addr_local[getifaddrs]: getifaddrs: Permission denied" |
| 00:05.01 | joltcan | yzaLyzarC: Many of the ones in sid are for development |
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| 00:05.32 | path_ | !dstats lenny |
| 00:05.39 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 21433 packages, 1882 maintainers, 54308 MB installed size, 18851 MB compressed size. |
| 00:05.49 | yzaLyzarC | Ok, but if I have an open source linux program. Do I have to edit it to compile it for difrent distros? |
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| 00:06.13 | path_ | no way |
| 00:06.19 | path_ | unless you change the architecture |
| 00:06.41 | minus198 | wtf... vista-- how the hell do I change the settings of my networkdevice.. |
| 00:06.44 | minus198 | gosh.. |
| 00:06.48 | yzaLyzarC | Like 32 or 64? |
| 00:06.49 | andrew[andrboot] | rofl. |
| 00:06.49 | minus198 | /j #windows |
| 00:06.51 | andrew[andrboot] | oh that reminds me |
| 00:06.52 | cafuego | yzaLyzarC: Sometimes yes, depends a bit on what versions of system libraries it was compiled initially. |
| 00:06.55 | andrew[andrboot] | i was gonna nuke tto that. |
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| 00:07.27 | cafuego | yzaLyzarC: if it was built on a system with say the absolute latest C library, it may not run on a system with a slightly older one. |
| 00:07.28 | yzaLyzarC | Should people use lenny now? |
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| 00:08.02 | CartoonCat | Hello all |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: not you |
| 00:08.17 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: Why not= |
| 00:08.19 | yzaLyzarC | ? |
| 00:08.27 | CartoonCat | Anyone know of a decent tut on how to use a cell phone for net access |
| 00:09.02 | dkr | CartoonCat: search with the phrase "tethered modem" |
| 00:09.18 | CartoonCat | dkr, AH! ty ty |
| 00:10.42 | cizzi | why would I need /lib64 on a p3 system running etch? |
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| 00:11.08 | joltcan | cizzi: It is in the standard base, just like /opt |
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| 00:11.17 | cizzi | so i should leave it there? |
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| 00:11.32 | joltcan | cizzi: Yeah, it doesn't matter for anything |
| 00:11.42 | cizzi | joltcan: thanks |
| 00:11.47 | joltcan | cizzi: No problem! |
| 00:11.49 | pergesu | I just installed etch, and gcc isn't installed on it. Is there some package that gives me all the standard dev tools? |
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| 00:12.02 | cizzi | base-essential |
| 00:12.27 | cizzi | no |
| 00:12.28 | cizzi | sorry |
| 00:12.30 | cizzi | build-essential |
| 00:12.39 | cizzi | apt-get install build-essential should do it |
| 00:12.46 | pergesu | cizzi: thanks |
| 00:12.53 | cizzi | pergesu: no charge |
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| 00:15.54 | yzaLyzarC | Why shoulndt I use lenny? |
| 00:16.06 | Maulkin | !lenny |
| 00:16.06 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 00:16.16 | Maulkin | !stable |
| 00:16.17 | dpkg | [stable] the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r2), or ask me about <releases>. |
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| 00:17.51 | yzaLyzarC | ok |
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| 00:19.23 | CartoonCat | ok, was not able to find anything relating ot my phones or a generic method, anytihng else then "debian tethered modem"?? or has google fallen asleep today |
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| 00:20.21 | JordiGH | amphi: Looks like the latest sid 2.6.24 kernel gave me my battery monitor back. :-) |
| 00:20.36 | aib42 | so apparently the TR mirror is outdated... *sigh* and I was wondering why a dist-upgrade resulted in so many unresolved dependancies |
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| 00:23.34 | spldart | what is the most appropriate kernel in deb's repository for etch for an old pentium mmx processor.... ie socket 7 200 mhz |
| 00:23.42 | spldart | It seems to default to 486 |
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| 00:23.58 | yzaLyzarC | How can I make something usefull for debian? |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | spldart: -486 |
| 00:24.32 | spldart | Will that linux-image utilize the mmx optimizations? |
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| 00:26.31 | abrotman | spldart: nope |
| 00:27.26 | spldart | Ok.. that's what I wanted to know... thanks :~) |
| 00:27.29 | spldart | Hrm |
| 00:27.46 | yzaLyzarC | If I compile my own debian kernel, what diffrece would it make? |
| 00:27.47 | spldart | Maybe I should do the custom compiled kernel thing again.... |
| 00:28.12 | JordiGH | !tell yzaLyzarC about nmg |
| 00:28.37 | spldart | >yzaLyzarC You can add things omitted by the distro's original chosen build and you can lean your install a bit by excluding uncessary modules etc.... |
| 00:28.42 | bolt | why isn't xlock available in etch? where can i get it? |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | bolt: xlockmore |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | !find xlockmore etch |
| 00:29.32 | r0tu | hey guys, I'm having trouble with my /etc/export file / nfs server config |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | bolt: i thought ... |
| 00:30.24 | r0tu | I just need to share a dir to anyone so I can mount and run the installation through the network via nfs |
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| 00:30.36 | abrotman | !info xlockmore etch |
| 00:30.40 | spldart | >abrotman... If you know off the top of your head: Can I do a custom kernel and add the mmx optimizations to the config-2.6.18-4-486 thus making my kernel a bit more specific and a tad more quick on media? |
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| 00:31.07 | abrotman | spldart: i guess .. but i doubt it'll make that much of a difference |
| 00:31.15 | abrotman | bolt: in etch? |
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| 00:31.31 | spldart | Every little bit helps... thanks again Abrotman :-D |
| 00:31.33 | bolt | abrotman: yep |
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| 00:31.46 | abrotman | bolt: apparently xlockmore{-gl} didn't make the cut |
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| 00:38.17 | r0tu | anyone here know nfs? |
| 00:38.27 | dvs | !anyone |
| 00:38.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:38.57 | gordonjcp | I know... kung po |
| 00:40.06 | cafuego | Nothing From Scratch? |
| 00:40.09 | cafuego | I do it all the time. |
| 00:41.36 | cafuego | r0tu: /etc/exports is quite simple; /path/to/dir net.ip.ran.ge/ip.net.work.mask(options) # My options are ro,sync,no_subtree_check |
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| 00:41.51 | auto359 | on debian etch, to set the $PATH for the user, where is the best place to do this? |
| 00:41.59 | cafuego | r0tu: You need to make sure the clients ahs nfs-common and portmap installed, otherwise it'll go horribly wrong. |
| 00:42.14 | r0tu | is error 101 common? |
| 00:42.28 | cafuego | auto359: For 1 user: ~/.bashrc. For all user: /etc/environment |
| 00:42.32 | r0tu | I'm trying to do a network install of debian on ARM arch. |
| 00:42.44 | auto359 | k, cheers |
| 00:43.07 | cafuego | r0tu: Then NFS would be the least of your worried, I'd have thought. |
| 00:43.54 | r0tu | I'm getting an error on boot "Root-nfs: server returned error -101 while mounting /sev/tftp/image |
| 00:44.11 | r0tu | that location being where I have the install ISO mounted |
| 00:44.36 | cafuego | And it's shared (and shared to all, and root has access?) |
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| 00:45.06 | jon_high9000 | .fedoraproject.com |
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| 00:45.18 | JordiGH | .com_ |
| 00:45.20 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 00:46.30 | watr | how does one reset the apt-get install path to user/local. I am running off a shell host and cannot simply install as root |
| 00:46.33 | eldowan | cafuego: that does look like a nice app |
| 00:46.41 | r0tu | could be from the mount command |
| 00:46.54 | JordiGH | watr: Ask again. apt-get doesn't install to /usr/local, if that's what you meant. |
| 00:47.30 | dkr | I just have a script that loops through a set of machines with my ssh command. I guess that's basically what cssh does. :) |
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| 00:47.40 | watr | JordiGH: I simply need to be able to install libraries onto the system without needing root, and without poluting the entire system |
| 00:47.54 | r0tu | cafuego: You think it may be simply from mounting it wrong |
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| 00:48.20 | watr | JordiGH: the intent is to install everything I need localy |
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| 00:49.28 | JordiGH | watr: I don't think apt-get can do that. I don't see anything of the sort in apt-get(8), at any rate. Maybe you could do it with a chroot. |
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| 00:49.40 | yzaLyzarC | Is there any way to let any user install something from the approved respitoryes? |
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| 00:49.58 | JordiGH | yzaLyzarC: System-wide? No. |
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| 00:50.30 | JordiGH | yzaLyzarC: Unless you do something silly like put every user in /etc/sudoers. |
| 00:50.31 | yzaLyzarC | JordiGH: So I have to give someone root to install software they want? |
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| 00:51.20 | eldowan | yzaLyzarC: to give someone privelages to install would also give someone privelages to remove packages, enabling the possibility of a total system boo-boo |
| 00:51.38 | JordiGH | yzaLyzarC: Unix is mostly built with a paternalistic sysadmin in mind. If you're sysadminning Debian machines for a bunch of users, they should come to you with requests for installation of more software whenever they need it. |
| 00:51.40 | yzaLyzarC | I didnt think of that. |
| 00:52.13 | yzaLyzarC | JordiGH: yeah, I just thought it would be easyer for me to let them instal it themselves. |
| 00:52.17 | cafuego | r0tu: Possibly; what is the server logging? |
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| 00:52.22 | arcticpenguin380 | !reiserfs |
| 00:52.22 | dpkg | it has been said that reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 00:52.24 | JordiGH | yzaLyzarC: A sysadmin's job is never done. ;-) |
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| 00:52.56 | cafuego | eldowan: Managing 20+ Xen VMs is a pain when they all need the same updates at the same time. |
| 00:53.02 | watr | JordiGH: I wonder, do you think it would be possible to write a script that lets users install software, but only to their home dir or /usr/local ? |
| 00:53.23 | nevyn | cafuego: you know what I'm gonna say... |
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| 00:53.33 | yzaLyzarC | watr: That would be ecactly what I was thinking of... |
| 00:53.38 | watr | basically like having individual apt-gets for each user completely isolated from the rest of the users and main system |
| 00:53.38 | cafuego | nevyn: Yes, but then you're Luke's puppet |
| 00:53.44 | nevyn | heh |
| 00:54.08 | JordiGH | watr: /usr/local isn't meant for users. It's meant for the sysadmin. As for letting each user install their own stuff... that sounds awfully wasteful. |
| 00:54.14 | eldowan | cafuego: ouch. I did like the dpotd for cluster ssh |
| 00:54.26 | JordiGH | Are you going to have a Debian tree inside every home directory? |
| 00:54.51 | eldowan | cafuego: where did you find cluster ssh? |
| 00:55.11 | watr | JordiGH: I am thinking about it in terms of having various developers easily install any library they need for their project, and then when they are done, delete the library. While still not impacting any other users copies of the same library |
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| 00:55.18 | r0tu | cafuego: Where is the default log to nfs? |
| 00:55.19 | cafuego | eldowan: We used it at linux.conf.au to control 40-odd OpenWRT access points. |
| 00:55.25 | cafuego | r0tu: /var/log/syslog |
| 00:55.45 | yzaLyzarC | I'm going to suggest the feture apt-get request, so that users can request packages, then the sys admin run an command or get automagicaly notifyed when it is added new requested packages and then choose if he wants to install it. |
| 00:55.47 | watr | JordiGH: I guess taking it further, it would keep track of who is using the library and allow for sharing to minimize duplication. |
| 00:55.55 | r0tu | Feb 7 20:50:59 bigred exportfs[13257]: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "10.0.0.66:/srv/tftp/image". Assuming default behaviour ('subtree_check'). NOTE: this default will change with nfs-utils version 1.1.0 |
| 00:56.01 | JordiGH | watr: Developers should know how to compile and install stuff locally. |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | yzaLyzarC: file a wishlist bug |
| 00:56.08 | eldowan | cafuego: nice. I just picked up a netgrear AP w/ openwrt roots. |
| 00:56.18 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: How? |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | !tell yzaLyzarC about reportbug |
| 00:56.41 | cafuego | r0tu: That looks fine. perhaps the client is expecting an anclient NFS version? |
| 00:56.58 | yzaLyzarC | abrotman: Do you think my idea is bad? |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:57.24 | yzaLyzarC | Because they could only ask me? |
| 00:57.25 | r0tu | cafuego: what do you mean by anclient |
| 00:57.46 | Shnoodle | r0tu: ancient |
| 00:58.17 | r0tu | cafuego: Ahhh... I see.. how can I support that? |
| 00:58.19 | watr | JordiGH: yes, though I am wondering if it would be possible to simplify the process by creating a package management system similar to apt to allow them to manage their installed packages rather than compiling each one individually |
| 00:58.30 | cafuego | nevyn: 407ft! |
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| 00:59.13 | trazi | Hi |
| 00:59.29 | techouse | has anyone here got any wine compiling experience? i installed all the deps, even those from winehq and i still get this after ./configure: http://www.pastebin.ca/895635 |
| 00:59.32 | cafuego | r0tu: Offhand.... see if nfs-user-server makes any difference |
| 01:00.03 | eldowan | is acpi built into the kernel? |
| 01:00.15 | Noboru | can someone tell me ,apt-cache search mod_deflate,why nothing found ? |
| 01:00.43 | techouse | Noboru: try using kpackage for it :D |
| 01:00.48 | techouse | or synaptic |
| 01:00.53 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:00.56 | nevyn | cafuego: keep trying my highscore was 1178 |
| 01:00.58 | abrotman | why would that matter .. at all? |
| 01:01.02 | CartoonCat | can anyone recomend another search then tethered+modem&debian, as google has a whole 65 hits |
| 01:01.03 | Noboru | techouse, ? |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | Noboru: ignore him |
| 01:01.12 | nevyn | I don't think scores should count if the kitten dies. |
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| 01:01.14 | cafuego | ouch |
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| 01:01.53 | Noboru | hi abrotman ,would you tell me, how do i install mod_deflate,i don't find it,i heard it replaces mod_gzip nowadays |
| 01:01.53 | abrotman | Noboru: there is no separate package for it .. it's included in the base apache packages |
| 01:01.55 | cafuego | 'ere we go... |
| 01:01.57 | ryx | I just created an lvm on cryptsetup on raid setup with the debian installer, however the initrd doesn't do the crypto part, so the system doesn't boot |
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| 01:02.06 | ryx | how do I create a correct initrd? |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | Noboru: in etch right ? |
| 01:02.07 | cafuego | 769ft |
| 01:02.11 | ryx | (lenny) |
| 01:02.17 | abrotman | !find mod_deflate.so etch |
| 01:02.20 | Noboru | abrotman, im on etch. |
| 01:02.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mod_deflate.so' (1): (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_deflate.so) in net/apache2.2-common. |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | Noboru: see .. it's in etch |
| 01:02.47 | Noboru | abrotman, 100% sure it |
| 01:02.58 | Noboru | it is included already ? |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | i just showed you |
| 01:03.10 | Noboru | i see. |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | Noboru: apt-file search mod_deflate would have shown you also |
| 01:03.54 | Noboru | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 01:04.04 | techouse | abrotman, Noboru: I also get nothing with apt-cache search mod_deflate |
| 01:04.17 | abrotman | techouse: no kidding .. i told oyu it wouldn't help .. |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | Noboru: you'd have to install it .. aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search mod_deflate.so |
| 01:04.39 | auto359 | re debian etch, was reading debian/docs re setting user $path, it says .bashrc or .bash_profile are fine but for system wide to use /etc/profile, is that correct? |
| 01:04.45 | techouse | well....i thought that the packages changed names or whatever... |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | techouse: maybe you should read the scrollback .. his problem has already been solved while you were waiting for KDE to move the mouse |
| 01:05.21 | techouse | :P |
| 01:05.51 | Noboru | abrotman, yeah,i have that mod_deflate.so. |
| 01:06.05 | kgoetz | Does debian run on IBM system P servers? |
| 01:06.07 | Noboru | abrotman, so i only have to configure httpd to make it run ,but which one |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | Noboru: you'd have to read the documentation |
| 01:06.21 | Noboru | abrotman, i have httpd.conf and httpd-mpm.conf |
| 01:06.28 | abrotman | kgoetz: i believe so .. P-series is PowerPC still right ? |
| 01:06.42 | eldowan | other than acpi and acpid, what packages control acpi events? |
| 01:07.56 | kgoetz | abrotman: i think its POWER, not PowerPC per se |
| 01:08.17 | abrotman | kgoetz: that's POWER5 or whatever .. it's PowerPC |
| 01:08.41 | eldowan | 5 hour power? |
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| 01:11.15 | kgoetz | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 01:16.42 | yy | Anyone know where mailman individual list configurations are typically stored? |
| 01:17.16 | enouf | kgoetz: a search of kernel docs for power5 in the kernel has many hits under /arch/powerpc instead of /arch/ppc - but well, see for yourself http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/+search (note that's vanilla .24) |
| 01:17.19 | eldowan | My nc8430 will not boot correctly without the power cord attached (yes it does have the battery installed and charged). To boot on battery power, I must enable acpi=off. I've used kernels 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 and have upgraded acpi and apm packages to the most recent versions. Can someone help me get this thing working correctly? |
| 01:18.20 | kgoetz | enouf: RHEL5 is cert.'d to run on the POWERs, but i was more after debian :) |
| 01:18.29 | enouf | kgoetz: i realize you specifically asked about debian support, i just don't know |
| 01:19.06 | enouf | i known there's a #debianppc channel here on freenode, but likely meant for mac ppc |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | enouf: it's the same |
| 01:20.28 | enouf | abrotman: what is? ppc and powerpc? |
| 01:20.55 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
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| 01:21.08 | enouf | ok |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | 64-bit implementations include the 620, POWER4, POWER5 and the 970 (G5). |
| 01:21.25 | enouf | kgoetz: getting this? |
| 01:21.47 | kgoetz | enouf: yep, i'm watching :) |
| 01:21.56 | n3kl | Is there a place that apt registers packages that have been installed on the system? |
| 01:22.11 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: apt doesn't register packages that are installed. That's dpkg's job. |
| 01:22.17 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: and it registers them in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 01:22.45 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: thanks for the clarification |
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| 01:23.22 | villnew | anyone know an easy way of redirecting output from a program (running in the dosbox emulator) to a serial port and instead make it end up in a file? |
| 01:23.57 | karsten | villnew: Might check to see what options you have of redirecting output from dosemu itself. |
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| 01:24.53 | karsten | villnew: $ dosemu -dumb dir > listing |
| 01:25.00 | karsten | villnew: ... but that works only for console output. |
| 01:25.07 | villnew | actually using dosbox here not dosemu |
| 01:25.29 | villnew | yeah checked its .conf file hoping it would have a nice simple setting for doing what im after but no dice >< |
| 01:25.36 | karsten | villnew: What's dosbox? |
| 01:25.49 | aboyz | anyone know how to make service work on debian?? when i type service it say command not found. centos users service to start app. what do debian use compare to service? |
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| 01:26.21 | karsten | villnew: Hrm. OK. Not applicable, but dosemu lets you redirect serial ports (com1-com4) to designated locations. |
| 01:26.24 | villnew | same sort of thing as dosemu i guess heh |
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| 01:26.39 | villnew | might see if the software ive got works under dosemu as well |
| 01:26.41 | eldowan | aboyz: I know there are a few ways, but you might like wajig |
| 01:26.42 | Arrick | msg dpkg apache |
| 01:26.45 | Arrick | oops |
| 01:26.53 | aboyz | wajig? |
| 01:27.11 | karsten | aboyz: apt/dpkg front-end |
| 01:27.13 | eldowan | n/m |
| 01:27.21 | karsten | aboyz: Written by a crazy Ozzy. |
| 01:27.22 | villnew | thanks karsten :) |
| 01:27.24 | aboyz | huh?? |
| 01:27.26 | karsten | (as if there's any other kind). |
| 01:27.29 | aboyz | how do you use it>? |
| 01:27.32 | Arrick | ok, what are the packages for a default lamp stack again? |
| 01:27.34 | karsten | villnew: NP. |
| 01:27.35 | karsten | aboyz: I don't. |
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| 01:27.40 | eldowan | karsten: he's looking for a /etc/init.d/<service> front end it looks like |
| 01:27.53 | eldowan | aboyz: sorry, wrong package. |
| 01:27.55 | karsten | eldowan: Who's "he"? |
| 01:27.59 | eldowan | karsten: aboyz |
| 01:28.02 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: that is a usefull freaking file. thx |
| 01:28.04 | Arrick | the bot doesnt name the packages, it tells you lamp is, like, Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python |
| 01:28.14 | abrotman | Arrick: ? |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 01:28.18 | Arrick | why cant it say the name of the packages for it? |
| 01:28.27 | karsten | !tell Arrick about search |
| 01:28.30 | Arrick | like apache2-common |
| 01:28.38 | abrotman | Arrick: libapache-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql |
| 01:28.47 | Arrick | thanks |
| 01:28.51 | karsten | Arrick: Search for them. They change. Factoids aren't automatically updated as package repos change. |
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| 01:29.03 | eldowan | aboyz: you might try, for samba /etc/init.d/samba [start|stop|restart] |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | i thought they were going to make lamp/lapp metapackcages ? |
| 01:32.12 | bolt | I have the terminus font as my console font, size 16. When I use that line in xterm in fullscreen (ratpoison) i get fewer number of lines. Thus, the font is bigger in x, though the console runs with vga=773 and X runs at 1024x768, so it should be exactly the same. what's wrong here? |
| 01:32.22 | Arrick | abrotman, pm |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | Arrick: please don't msg me .. ask in here |
| 01:32.25 | Arrick | ok |
| 01:32.28 | Arrick | sorry |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | Arrick: try it and see |
| 01:32.48 | JordiGH | bolt: And what's your DPI? |
| 01:33.07 | bolt | JordiGH: uncertain. default, i think |
| 01:33.34 | JordiGH | bolt: Try setting your monitor geometry in xorg.conf |
| 01:34.13 | nevyn | bolt: a font is rendered to a Physical size in the real world so even at the same resolution if X and the console disagree on how big the monitor is (in cm/inches X/Y) then the font will be different sizes |
| 01:34.40 | JordiGH | For some reason, though, on my machine the DPI wouldn't change no matter what monitor geometry I put in xorg.conf, but there were settings in both KDE and Gnome for changing the DPI that I fiddled around with later. |
| 01:35.06 | eldowan | My nc8430 will not boot correctly without the power cord attached (yes it does have the battery installed and charged). To boot on battery power, I must enable acpi=off. I've used kernels 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 and have upgraded acpi and apm packages to the most recent versions. Can someone help me get this thing working correctly? |
| 01:35.27 | bolt | i see... well the monitor is a 12 inch lcd, running 1024x768. the line number which is used in the console is what i want. any idea on how to extract the geometry used in the console? |
| 01:35.28 | init1 | JordiGH: I think you may need to change GDM settings |
| 01:35.52 | init1 | i think DPI is affected by the DM used |
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| 01:36.38 | JordiGH | init1: My dm was gdm, but KDE could affect DPI anyways. |
| 01:37.13 | init1 | i'd try starting X with XDM or just the terminal |
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| 01:37.32 | JordiGH | init1: Meh, whatever. It's fixed. My fonts look good. |
| 01:37.33 | init1 | it fixed my DPI issues with Ubuntu Gutsy |
| 01:37.34 | nevyn | JordiGH: the desktop people... sometimes don't realise X has had certain functionality for a long time. |
| 01:37.39 | init1 | oh ok |
| 01:37.48 | nevyn | (and X can query the monitor for physical size over EDID |
| 01:38.19 | JordiGH | nevyn: I like my taskbar at the bottom and some menus and icons at the top, thankyouverymuch. |
| 01:38.32 | auto359 | i am going get dissed for this, but i just trashed my .bashrc without making a .bashrc_backup first, where can i get a new vanilla debian/etch .bashrc from? |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman | auto359: /etc/skel/ |
| 01:38.59 | auto359 | abrotman: thanks, lifesaver |
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| 01:39.22 | JordiGH | Yeah, trashing .bashrc isn't too big a deal. |
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| 01:40.07 | bolt | how can I set my monitor geometry in X to that of the console? I use the same font/size in X and the console but i get fewer lines in X, which doesn't look good. |
| 01:40.20 | JordiGH | bolt: man xorg.conf |
| 01:40.22 | bolt | both run at 1024x768 |
| 01:40.24 | auto359 | apart from the weird hanging cursor and TERM garbage 8-) |
| 01:40.40 | Arrick | hey all, how do I enable a network card in debian? |
| 01:40.47 | bolt | JordiGH: the problem is not putting it into xorg.conf, but extracting it from the console |
| 01:40.52 | init1 | Arrick: depends |
| 01:41.07 | init1 | you may need to modprobe it |
| 01:41.14 | Arrick | init1, its in a vm, on vmware |
| 01:41.21 | init1 | hrm |
| 01:41.33 | JordiGH | bolt: Basically, grab a ruler, find out how wide and tall your monitor is in millimetres, "DisplaySize 123 456" (width by height) in your monitor section in xorg.conf |
| 01:41.40 | Arrick | its configged correctly, just like my other debian config, but this one cant even ping the router |
| 01:41.51 | init1 | i think vmware emulates an AMD NIC |
| 01:41.52 | Arrick | and ifconfig shows up only 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:42.04 | init1 | no eth0? |
| 01:42.15 | bolt | JordiGH: k. trying |
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| 01:42.28 | Arrick | nope |
| 01:42.37 | Arrick | no eth0, no eth1 |
| 01:42.46 | garotosopa | How to map a key that is not recognized with xev? |
| 01:43.13 | init1 | Arrick: have you ever connected in vmware with another distro? |
| 01:43.14 | JordiGH | garotosopa: Is it a multimedia key? |
| 01:43.25 | Arrick | yes init1 |
| 01:43.55 | garotosopa | JordiGH, not exactly. it's a Fn key |
| 01:44.12 | init1 | Arrick: do a lspci |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | garotosopa: what is it supposed to do? |
| 01:44.27 | init1 | that should tell you what's availible |
| 01:44.32 | Arrick | lspci, command not found |
| 01:44.33 | JordiGH | garotosopa: Oy. I'm not sure what to do about those. I think the BIOS intercepts them at a very low level or something. o.O |
| 01:44.40 | Arrick | this is a netinst if it matters |
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| 01:44.51 | phix | hey |
| 01:44.55 | Arrick | yes init1 |
| 01:45.25 | init1 | Arrick: i'd say apt-get install lspci, but that wouldn't work of course |
| 01:45.27 | phix | I am trying to do a dpkg-statoverride, however when I upgrade a certain package it ignores this and changes the file permissions (/etc/libnss-ldap.conf) |
| 01:45.33 | Arrick | lol |
| 01:45.46 | garotosopa | abrotman, my notebook had it to control things like brightness (worked on windows). I also saw it on a Mac once. today I bought a supposed-to-be standard keyboard that has this dead Fn key sharing the space with the backspace... |
| 01:45.47 | phix | any ideas to stop this behavior? |
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| 01:46.29 | init1 | Arrick: i'd try to get the lspci .deb on there, |
| 01:46.38 | init1 | i've never used vmware though |
| 01:46.52 | auto359 | on a debian/etch/No X server, is it necessary to have /usr/games in the use's $PATH? |
| 01:46.58 | garotosopa | JordiGH, ohh if only it was somewhere else. the backspace key is the half of normal size and this Fn key is really starting to annoy me |
| 01:47.06 | abrotman | garotosopa: uh .. i'm not really sure .. but if it doesn't give a keycode and the BIOS won't see it .. not going to be much good i can't imagine |
| 01:47.13 | Arrick | init1, hang tight, I might have gotten it |
| 01:47.20 | init1 | k |
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| 01:49.08 | Arrick | brb |
| 01:49.13 | Arrick | gotta reboot i think |
| 01:50.04 | garotosopa | abrotman, perhaps I could use one of those super glue to paste the Fn key together with the backspace. that will definetly solve my issue =) |
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| 01:52.44 | JordiGH | garotosopa: I'm picky about keyboard layouts. I won't buy a machine if I don't like its keyboard. What can I say. :-/ |
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| 01:53.43 | SQLDb | what would be the easiest way of moving my sid install from hda to sda? would dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda work ok? |
| 01:53.53 | bolt | JordiGH: xorg doesn't seem to react to the DisplaySize line at all. i did the math and ended up at 106 dpi. is there another way to set it? I put DisplaySize 245 183 in my monitor section in xorg.conf, but that didn't change anything |
| 01:54.36 | JordiGH | bolt: What if you try nevyn's recommendation, to start X without a DM? |
| 01:54.51 | garotosopa | JordiGH, ha no big deal. I needed a keyboard to play fretsonfire. but suddenly I realized that it is not frestonfire nor fretsonfier. that's when I missed the backspace :P |
| 01:55.09 | garotosopa | but thanks anyway. I'm using some glue here ;) |
| 01:55.11 | bolt | JordiGH: I don't have a DM installed. startx is my way of starting x |
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| 01:56.22 | JordiGH | bolt: What does xdpyinfo say? |
| 01:57.09 | bolt | JordiGH: 100x100 |
| 01:57.59 | JordiGH | bolt: Try adding Option "NoDDC" to your Device section. |
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| 01:59.12 | JordiGH | bolt: start can also take a dpi argument. Try "startx -- -dpi 90", for instance. |
| 01:59.26 | amphi | JordiGH: you have /proc/acpi with this kernel? |
| 01:59.29 | garotosopa | bolt, hey just read your question and if noone said it already: I had to change the dpi in /etc/X11/Xresources and put: Xft.dpi: 96.0 |
| 01:59.47 | JordiGH | amphi: I do! |
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| 02:00.28 | bolt | JordiGH: it still doesn't react to the dpi setting. i thought there might have to be an x between the width and height, but then it crashed on me, so it defiantely reads the line. it just doesn't give a shit |
| 02:00.59 | JordiGH | bolt: Try the other suggestions. |
| 02:03.05 | JordiGH | amphi: Notice that #463253 is closed. :-) |
| 02:03.19 | amphi | JordiGH: good-oh |
| 02:03.41 | JordiGH | I wonder why they put the Debian revision number in the Debian package name. |
| 02:03.55 | bolt | JordiGH: I tried using startx -- -dpi 106, and now I could see the change in xdpyinfo. the screen, however, looked exactly the same. no larger or smaller. i even tried -dpi 200 but nothing happened |
| 02:03.56 | amphi | JordiGH: I hasd built a vanilla 2.6.24 here |
| 02:04.19 | JordiGH | bolt: the screen should look the same. Fonts shouldn't. You checked fonts, didn't you? |
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| 02:04.37 | bolt | JordiGH: yes. counting lines |
| 02:04.44 | bolt | JordiGH: no change |
| 02:04.46 | JordiGH | bolt: Just for something dramatic, do -dpi 90 |
| 02:04.49 | eldowan | hmm. to diagnose a problem with acpi issues in a laptop, I installed the kernel and related utilities from lenny. On an etch machine. (hey it was much quicker than downloading the full 1.4 GB to dist-upgrade) the etch kernel still seems to be running the system fine. Is there a way that I can force the packages that are higher in version number than etch to install the etch version? |
| 02:04.52 | JordiGH | bolt: Or even -dpi 75 |
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| 02:06.17 | bolt | JordiGH: same as before. xdpyinfo shows the change, font and everything else stays the same |
| 02:06.42 | JordiGH | bolt: I'm out of ideas. :-/ |
| 02:07.07 | JordiGH | bolt: I wish I knew how Gnome managed to change the DPI after I logged in. |
| 02:11.08 | init1 | SQLDb: depends |
| 02:11.16 | init1 | probably not though |
| 02:11.29 | init1 | you would need identical size on each |
| 02:11.57 | init1 | SQLDb: taring it might work though |
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| 02:12.09 | bolt | JordiGH: oh well. thanks for trying to help. back to google, i guess :/ |
| 02:12.10 | SQLDb | init1: ahh, going from a 100G laptop PATA drive, to a 500G SATA300 3.5" drive :( |
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| 02:13.17 | SQLDb | init1: how would you do it with tar? |
| 02:13.22 | eldowan | is there a way to find which packages were installed from the lenny repos? |
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| 02:14.03 | al3ks | where can I find standard .config file for kernel (which is used in regular kernels for debian) |
| 02:14.06 | al3ks | ?? |
| 02:14.18 | JordiGH | bolt: Is xfs installed? Sometimes that helps too. |
| 02:14.24 | al3ks | I reserchead entire ftp server |
| 02:14.26 | init1 | SQLDb: you would boot a live CD, mount sid, and make the tar archieve from sid's root |
| 02:14.31 | al3ks | and couldnt fint it |
| 02:14.34 | init1 | SQLDb: i'll look up the commands |
| 02:14.40 | al3ks | find* |
| 02:14.54 | init1 | SQLDb: i've never really done anything like this before |
| 02:14.58 | al3ks | ?? |
| 02:15.09 | SQLDb | init1: fair enough :) |
| 02:15.12 | faxathisia | Hi, I wanted to try install debian on my computer so I burned the net inst iso but when I boot that I just get a blank screen. Does anyone know what might cause that or what I could try to do to sort it out? |
| 02:15.22 | init1 | SQLDb: the issue is makeing sure that the permissions stay the same |
| 02:15.24 | bolt | JordiGH: xfs was not installed |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | faxathisia: do you get the debian logo screen? |
| 02:15.36 | init1 | SQLDb: and so do the hard and sym links |
| 02:15.52 | faxathisia | No It just goes to black, so I can't see what's going on (if anything) |
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| 02:16.16 | eldowan | which file defines the startup level used? |
| 02:16.21 | JordiGH | bolt: And does installing it change anything? |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | eldowan: /etc/inittab |
| 02:16.25 | JordiGH | eldowan: /etc/inittab |
| 02:16.32 | JordiGH | !me lose |
| 02:16.32 | dpkg | moi? |
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| 02:16.39 | JordiGH | !lose me |
| 02:16.39 | dpkg | jordigh: You Lose. |
| 02:16.39 | eldowan | abrotman JordiGH: thanks |
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| 02:16.41 | bolt | JordiGH: nope :/ do i have to do anything special in order to use it, other than restarting x? |
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| 02:16.52 | zamuro | !barbie Ubuntu |
| 02:17.04 | JordiGH | Ah, the infamous barbie factoid. |
| 02:17.22 | aarcane | hello, I'm looking to migrate away from openwrt for my router and onto a debian based router. is it better to use debian 4.0, or to go with some third party debian based router specific distro ? if tge second is better, which of the many available ? |
| 02:17.24 | JordiGH | Destroyer of channels, swallower of prides. |
| 02:17.36 | eldowan | Is there a way, from grub, to define the run level used? |
| 02:17.41 | JordiGH | bolt: I don't think so... you're running at least etch, right? So 75dpi fonts are already loaded by X? |
| 02:17.55 | bolt | JordiGH: yep |
| 02:18.08 | bolt | JordiGH: running exactly etch... with a few things from backports.org |
| 02:18.21 | init1 | SQLDb: well i think you need tar -cf fs.tar /mnt |
| 02:18.39 | init1 | SQLDb: where mount is the sid / |
| 02:18.56 | init1 | SQLDb: actually scratch that |
| 02:18.58 | JordiGH | bolt: And the right fonts are being loaded? Check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:19.32 | init1 | SQLDb: tar -cf /new/fs.img /sid/ |
| 02:19.54 | init1 | SQLDb: where /new is your new hard drive mounted |
| 02:20.03 | init1 | SQLDb: wait scratch that |
| 02:20.16 | init1 | SQLDb: tar -cf /new/fs.tar /sid |
| 02:20.51 | init1 | SQLDb: where /new is your new hard drive mounted and /sid is your old hard drive mounte |
| 02:20.54 | bolt | JordiGH: looks like it |
| 02:21.29 | init1 | SQLDb: i think that you would then cd /new/ and then tar -xf fs.tar |
| 02:22.15 | SQLDb | init1: ooh, thanks! :) |
| 02:22.33 | JordiGH | bolt: Damn, X is stubborn, innit? :-) |
| 02:22.45 | bolt | JordiGH: yes it is |
| 02:23.53 | init1 | SQLDb: your welcome :D hope that works for you. that should create a tar archieve of sid in your new hard drive, and then extract it |
| 02:24.45 | SQLDb | init1: we'll see, it's running now :) It sounds like it'll work. I was just gonna dd it over, then gparted it out to 320G or so :) |
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| 02:30.38 | iateadonut | i'm trying to connect an opie handheld to debian. anyone know anything about that? |
| 02:31.39 | techouse | how do i make a deb package if checkinstall fails? dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? |
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| 02:32.10 | abrotman | checkinstall isn't quite the same as building a package |
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| 02:32.34 | techouse | yeah, i know |
| 02:32.54 | techouse | but i use it more or less since i checkinstall all my source-build things |
| 02:33.51 | techouse | so...how do i make a deb? would that command up there suffice? or do i have to add some special parameters? |
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| 02:34.03 | iateadonut | what's the network configuration center in debian? |
| 02:34.09 | iateadonut | (using gnome) |
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| 02:34.21 | JordiGH | iateadonut: It's in system->administration |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | !nm |
| 02:34.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>. |
| 02:34.49 | abrotman | erm .. duh .. not useful |
| 02:34.50 | abrotman | !mg |
| 02:34.50 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 02:34.57 | JordiGH | techouse: Making a real deb is difficult. Are you just compiling Debian source packages? |
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| 02:35.29 | techouse | no, i backported azureus and want to make a deb |
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| 02:35.51 | JordiGH | techouse: Uh, backported? |
| 02:36.02 | JordiGH | techouse: But not from Debian sources? What do you mean with "backport" in that case? |
| 02:36.07 | techouse | emm |
| 02:36.45 | msan | !backport |
| 02:36.45 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 02:37.20 | techouse | get the orig.tar.gz, get the diff.gz, patch the extracted orig with diff.gz (all from debian sources) and then run uupdate -v x.x.x.x [path to svn source] |
| 02:37.46 | JordiGH | techhouse: Right, you know the first three steps are "apt-get source packagename"? |
| 02:38.03 | techouse | lol...yeah :D |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: build-dep ? |
| 02:38.40 | iateadonut | i don't seem to have a system->administartion... |
| 02:38.53 | techouse | but azureus doesn't do checkinstall -D :P |
| 02:38.59 | techouse | that's why i'm asking |
| 02:39.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Did you mean to say that to techhouse? How to build the updated-with-svn Debian packaging? |
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| 02:39.42 | JordiGH | techouse: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot should build you some debs, but there's no guarantee that the Debian packaging will still work when you synch the package with upstream sources. |
| 02:40.24 | techouse | don't worry, debian packages won't ever catch up with azureus :D |
| 02:40.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: no |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | iateadonut: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:41.04 | JordiGH | abrotman: yesnomaybe. So what did you mean to say? |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | i said no |
| 02:41.23 | iateadonut | thanks. i found "network tools" - i'm actually trying to connect opie, debian based, to debian. |
| 02:41.26 | iateadonut | through usb. |
| 02:41.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: No what? You didn't meant to say "build-dep" to techouse. So why did you say "build-dep" to me? |
| 02:41.49 | iateadonut | network tools is showing an "unknown device(usb0) in it. |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | iateadonut: update-usbids |
| 02:42.20 | techouse | JordiGH: i also read somewhere that i could simply extract the original deb, edit the contents (i.e. replce them with the bins from azureus.com) and pack it back to a new deb; can that be done? |
| 02:43.02 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.05 | JordiGH | techouse: Uhm, I guess you can do that. It's awfully hacky and ugly, but if it works... |
| 02:43.17 | iateadonut | now it's giving me the configure option! thanks! |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | it's amazing what people will do to steal |
| 02:43.50 | iateadonut | The interface does not exist |
| 02:43.56 | JordiGH | Who's stealing? |
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| 02:46.15 | eldowan | I've got a hp nc8230 that will not load the ncurses based etch installer. I've tried both the binary1 and netinst. Please help |
| 02:46.19 | techouse | damn this azureus..now it's building this thing for the 4x time! :D |
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| 02:46.30 | abrotman | binaryl ? |
| 02:46.42 | zinx | techouse: uhm.. building? it's packaged for debian, you know... |
| 02:46.44 | techouse | yeah |
| 02:46.54 | techouse | not 3.0.4.2 |
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| 02:48.14 | JordiGH | Isn't it just a bittorrent client? |
| 02:48.18 | Skapare | has anyone here done a debian install in such a way that the installation goes into a subdirectory (such as by using chroot or newns) on an existing running system? |
| 02:48.33 | JordiGH | What's so special about it that you need to have the latest version? It's the same protocol. |
| 02:48.41 | nevyn | Skapare: look at debootstrap |
| 02:48.46 | techouse | eldowan: once i had such a problem with the 64bit etch 4.0r1 disc; however i downloaded a lenny 64bit disc and it was ok :) |
| 02:48.55 | nevyn | Skapare: it's designed to do just that. |
| 02:49.11 | Skapare | nevyn: I did a while back ... I'm just wondering how much that method gets used |
| 02:49.22 | nevyn | quite often |
| 02:49.28 | techouse | JordiGH: older versions get banned on private trackers |
| 02:49.30 | eldowan | I'll try the lenny installer then. |
| 02:49.47 | se7en | i would like to connect via kppp but after changing chmod 775 /usr/bin/kppp i get Couldn't find interface ppp0: No such device |
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| 02:49.53 | JordiGH | techouse: I find everything I need in TPB. |
| 02:49.54 | nevyn | Skapare: it's used by sbuild as I understand it to do autobuilds |
| 02:49.57 | Skapare | nevyn: what is the reason most people do that? |
| 02:50.03 | Skapare | nevyn: ah |
| 02:50.14 | eldowan | I wonder why there isn't a subdomain for each major release. etch.debian.org sarge.debian.org, etc... |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:50.27 | JordiGH | techouse: And can't a bittorent client just lie? I'm sure you could tell Azureus to identify as whatever other version, no? |
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| 02:50.39 | hon | how would you share files between mac os x and linux? what is the best way? |
| 02:50.44 | Skapare | eldowan: do they need to be on separate hosts? |
| 02:50.55 | techouse | yeah..and get banned when they find you :D that why bitcommet is still banned :D |
| 02:50.56 | eldowan | Skapare: no |
| 02:51.13 | techouse | eldowan: cause that's the ubuntu way :D |
| 02:51.21 | JordiGH | techouse: And how could they find out you're lying? |
| 02:51.27 | eldowan | techouse: aah. wellthen. |
| 02:51.37 | techouse | don't ask me...they are the masters :D |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | JordiGH: uhm .. your stealing client doesn't support part of the newer protocol ? |
| 02:51.46 | Skapare | eldowan: someone already registered debian-sarge.org ... but if you hurry, you could have debian-etch.org as your very own |
| 02:51.50 | techouse | i just know there was some ranting about it in the forums |
| 02:52.13 | eldowan | Is there a netinst for lenny I'm missing? the weekly builds for i386 are all full cds |
| 02:52.14 | JordiGH | abrotman: Wow. So you really did mean to say that filesharing is theft. That's an unsual stance from a Debianista. |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | JordiGH: ask him what he's downloading |
| 02:52.24 | techouse | Skapare: lol immagine some pr0n gigant taking over debian-etch.org :D |
| 02:52.29 | techouse | LOL³ |
| 02:52.37 | Skapare | techouse: better beat them to it |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | eldowan: yes .. you're missing it |
| 02:52.43 | techouse | lol |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: see |
| 02:52.49 | JordiGH | abrotman: Software. It's the only thing that can be downloaded. ;-) |
| 02:53.03 | Skapare | eldowan: actually I do create separate subdomains in slashusr.org for my foss projects |
| 02:53.04 | Nyle | you can download hardware too |
| 02:53.09 | se7en | i would like to connect via kppp but i get Couldn't find interface ppp0: No such device anyone an idea |
| 02:53.10 | JordiGH | Nyle: That would be a nice trick. |
| 02:53.11 | Nyle | you just have to know how |
| 02:53.14 | iateadonut | i have two or three OS's on this computer. |
| 02:53.22 | techouse | Skapare: their new motive: apt-get me a ho |
| 02:53.23 | techouse | :D |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | techouse: done? |
| 02:53.38 | iateadonut | the main one i use is mandriva 2007.1 - i've got my mysql and www on different partitions. |
| 02:53.39 | JordiGH | Does the bittorrent protocol actually change that quickly? |
| 02:53.46 | techouse | abrotman: azureus? not yet |
| 02:53.52 | Skapare | techouse: :) |
| 02:53.53 | iateadonut | does anyone know if there's a good way to share these partitions between two operating systems? |
| 02:54.03 | iateadonut | so that both debian and mandriva can access and write to them/ |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | se7en: did you setup your modem ? |
| 02:54.18 | abrotman | eldowan: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 02:54.31 | eldowan | abrotman: funny. I was just browsing there. Thanks |
| 02:54.54 | Skapare | eldowan: for example vrb.slashusr.org |
| 02:54.58 | se7en | abrotman: yes it is dailing and than starting pppd and gets stuck |
| 02:55.21 | iateadonut | and where can i install new ttf fonts? |
| 02:55.25 | eldowan | Skapare: Yeah, I do the same on the website I administer. |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | se7en: so it does exist ? |
| 02:55.49 | eldowan | Is there any reason to use 64bit over 32bit yet? |
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| 02:56.06 | se7en | abrotman: without chmod 775 /usr/bin/kppp i cant even start kppp |
| 02:56.10 | se7en | abrotman: yes |
| 02:56.16 | techouse | eldowan: i've used both and 64bit is some 10-30% faster |
| 02:56.16 | dramen | hello |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | se7en: you're not in the dialout group |
| 02:56.36 | abrotman | eldowan: depends on what the machine purpose is |
| 02:56.37 | eldowan | techouse: any issues w/ 32bit sw? |
| 02:56.40 | se7en | let's check |
| 02:56.40 | Skapare | eldowan: but I don't see a need to do that with different versions/releases |
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| 02:57.02 | techouse | eldowan: emm....what do you mean? all packages are -amd64 |
| 02:57.05 | iateadonut | and how can i install scim? |
| 02:57.18 | eldowan | abrotman: everyday laptop usage. Virtualmachine (gotta have xp :( ) etc... |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | eldowan: if it's a workstation .. you won't see any major noticeable speed improvement with 64bit over 32bit |
| 02:57.22 | dramen | what's the difference between ubuntu and debian packages? |
| 02:57.33 | techouse | eldowan: except flash which you have to integrate with nspluginwrapper |
| 02:57.40 | abrotman | dramen: debian packages work on debian .. ubuntu packages work on ubuntu |
| 02:57.43 | eldowan | techouse: aah, ok |
| 02:57.47 | dramen | what happens when i install ubuntu packages on my debian machine |
| 02:57.52 | abrotman | it will break |
| 02:57.55 | Skapare | dramen: different run environment compatibility |
| 02:58.05 | techouse | abrotman: i use 2 ubuntu packages on my debian - swiftweasel and swiftdove :D |
| 02:58.11 | se7en | abrotman: yes i am |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | techouse: yeah .. but i've seen some of the other things you do |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | se7en: did you logout/login after going in it? |
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| 02:59.01 | se7en | yes i am trying/google since yesterday |
| 02:59.09 | techouse | abrotman: well...for now i'm still experimenting with debian :D |
| 02:59.26 | iateadonut | when does the next debian come out? |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 02:59.31 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | se7en: so the error in /var/log/syslog is ? |
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| 03:00.06 | Wyzard | dramen: In some cases it'll work, but in others it won't, and it can break your system |
| 03:00.29 | Wyzard | dramen: and neither #debian nor #ubuntu will help you fix things if you install one distro's packages on the other |
| 03:02.10 | techouse | abrotman: azureus_3.0.4.2-1_all.deb is done :D |
| 03:02.34 | abrotman | don't care |
| 03:03.55 | eldowan | does debian support wpa2 wireless authentication? |
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| 03:04.28 | Wyzard | eldowan: yes |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | eldowan: does your card/driver? |
| 03:04.58 | eldowan | Wyzard: wonderful. What supplies this? (and I figure the card has to support it too) |
| 03:05.02 | eldowan | abrotman: not sure yet. |
| 03:05.15 | se7en | there is no entery in syslog abrotman |
| 03:05.16 | Wyzard | eldowan: The package that actually does the WPA protocol is "wpasupplicant" |
| 03:05.27 | eldowan | Wyzard: tahnks a bunch |
| 03:05.35 | Wyzard | eldowan: but the easiest way to configure your wireless network is with NetworkManager (which is a GUI frontend for the whole networking system) |
| 03:05.37 | abrotman | se7en: so kppp just dies a horrible death with no real error ? |
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| 03:05.59 | eldowan | Wyzard: I've never heard of NetworkManager. good news to hear indeed. Is that a GUI or CLI? |
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| 03:06.36 | Wyzard | eldowan: GUI -- network-manager is the daemon, and network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde are the GUI |
| 03:06.45 | bangers | anyone know how to auto start a script in BitchX? |
| 03:07.00 | eldowan | Wyzard: thanks for the wonderful information. I was using knetworkmanager, I'll give that a shot. |
| 03:07.08 | Wyzard | eldowan: In principle there could be a command-line interface to the daemon too, but I don't think one exists |
| 03:07.36 | Wyzard | eldowan: network-manager-kde is the name of the package; "knetworkmanager" might be the program within it, or it might be something unrelated; I don't know |
| 03:07.45 | auto359 | what is the correct location for system wide variables, ie $path? i have read /etc/profile and /etc/environment |
| 03:08.05 | bangers | :q! |
| 03:08.25 | se7en | abrotman: no it if i start it in the konsole with kppp and than connect it finds the modem dails and than loging on network and that's the last thing that happens i have to killall kppp to stop it the output in the konsole is error opening resolv.conf! Couldn't find interface ppp0: No such device |
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| 03:08.58 | abrotman | se7en: have you tried wvdial or pon/poff ? |
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| 03:09.18 | se7en | no abrotman |
| 03:09.21 | sid | reset |
| 03:09.24 | sid | woops |
| 03:09.46 | sid | What is the iptables masquerade factoid from dpkg |
| 03:10.13 | nollidj | Wyzard: you ever heard of a cli or curses interface for network-manager? |
| 03:10.15 | eldowan | sid /msg dpkg listvalues masquerade |
| 03:10.20 | sid | thanks eldowan |
| 03:10.26 | eldowan | sid: :D |
| 03:10.54 | Wyzard | nollidj: nope |
| 03:11.01 | nollidj | oh well |
| 03:11.08 | nollidj | i've been on the lookout |
| 03:11.29 | Wyzard | nollidj: The network-manager package itself has a "nm-tool" command that shows you the current networking status, but I don't think it can be used to control anything |
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| 03:11.37 | eldowan | abrotman: seems i'm wpa2 compliant. intel 2200bg Not sure though |
| 03:12.05 | Wyzard | eldowan: My laptop (ThinkPad Z60m) has one of those and WPA2 works fine |
| 03:12.24 | eldowan | abrotman: oh yeah. OH YEAH! |
| 03:12.32 | DarenM | eldowan> what driver are you using? |
| 03:12.32 | eldowan | Wyzard: thanks again. |
| 03:12.48 | eldowan | DarenM: I'm hopefully going to be installing lenny in a minute |
| 03:13.13 | kuber | maybe you need a referesher course. it's all ball bearings these days. |
| 03:13.31 | Wyzard | eldowan: Note that you have to get the firmware file from http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ for the driver to work at all |
| 03:13.34 | eldowan | My nc8230 won't load the ncurses debian installer, etch (binary|netinst) lenny netinst |
| 03:13.40 | eldowan | Wyzard: alright |
| 03:13.54 | DarenM | eldowan> and put it in /lib/firmware |
| 03:14.24 | eldowan | sure would be nice if someone put those to debian packages like was done with ipw3945. |
| 03:14.56 | DarenM | eldowan> i wish i woulda known that i did my manually |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | eldowan: one would assume the license forbids it |
| 03:14.59 | DarenM | from source. |
| 03:15.08 | eldowan | abrotman: whys that? |
| 03:15.19 | abrotman | eldowan: seems like a pretty simple package |
| 03:15.35 | eldowan | abrotman: ok? |
| 03:15.57 | DarenM | lol |
| 03:16.05 | abrotman | eldowan: why would they package the driver .. but not the firmware? |
| 03:16.25 | eldowan | abrotman: ipw3945 did both. using that for comparison |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | eldowan: right .. so check the license? |
| 03:16.49 | Wyzard | DarenM, eldowan: Actually, /usr/local/lib/firmware would be preferable to /lib/firmware |
| 03:16.56 | eldowan | where do the debian GUI file sit? I can't find them ATM. |
| 03:17.08 | Wyzard | "Debian GUI file" ? |
| 03:17.12 | kuber | hat the |
| 03:17.14 | nevyn | gui files? |
| 03:17.16 | eldowan | dammit. GUI installer |
| 03:17.36 | abrotman | installgui ? |
| 03:17.43 | Wyzard | I think you get that by typing "installgui" at the CD's boot prompt |
| 03:17.55 | eldowan | abrotman: wow. Thanks. from the netinst or binary? |
| 03:18.07 | Wyzard | It's not on the netinst |
| 03:18.19 | DarenM | Wyzard> i didn't have a firmware dir in /usr/local/lib should i have made one? |
| 03:18.36 | Wyzard | DarenM: Yes, it's fine to make one |
| 03:18.42 | eldowan | The last time I tried the GUI installer was when it was very, very beta |
| 03:18.44 | DarenM | Wyzard> oh. |
| 03:18.54 | auto359 | editing system $PATH, i can access a service as user, can access it as Superuser, but not using "sudo". user added via "viduso". what is going on? |
| 03:19.18 | Wyzard | DarenM: /usr/local is reserved for things you install manually (as opposed to things installed by packages) |
| 03:19.20 | DarenM | Wyzard> should it be the path you suggested so it is shareD? |
| 03:19.26 | DarenM | oh |
| 03:19.26 | eldowan | Wyzard: abrotman: Thanks for the intallgui help. I can not try to install. |
| 03:19.29 | DarenM | Wyzard> ok thanks. |
| 03:19.36 | Wyzard | DarenM: so for a firmware file that you install manually, /usr/local is the most appropriate place |
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| 03:20.11 | DarenM | Wyzard> i see. i've been wondering why the structure was like that.. |
| 03:20.39 | Wyzard | !give DarenM fhs |
| 03:21.23 | DarenM | fhs? |
| 03:21.24 | DarenM | =/ |
| 03:21.48 | Wyzard | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard... read the message dpkg sent you |
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| 03:23.34 | DarenM | k |
| 03:23.39 | eldowan | Any suggestions for a sufficient size for a / partition? I've got 57.8 GB to work with |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | 60GB |
| 03:24.46 | Wyzard | eldowan: I have a desktop system with GNOME and a bunch of apps, and my root filesystem is 23GB |
| 03:24.49 | Skapare | eldowan: what directories will be on other partitions instead of the root ? |
| 03:24.56 | Wyzard | eldowan: and 13GB of that is /usr/local/games |
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| 03:25.10 | Skapare | eldowan: FYI my / is only 8MB ... that's right MB (not GB) |
| 03:25.11 | Wyzard | eldowan: (/home is separate, but nothing else is) |
| 03:25.15 | eldowan | abrotman: everything on one partition? I thought a seperate /home was suggested |
| 03:25.24 | sid | What is a simple way to sync a directory on windows vista, and one on debian/gnome? |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | maybe 870GB?! |
| 03:25.50 | eldowan | abrotman: You've lost me. |
| 03:25.55 | Skapare | eldowan: but almost everything else is another filesystem ... my root filesystem is, BTW, a ramfs |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | eldowan: just pick a size you want .. no one else knows what you're going to install |
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| 03:26.26 | eldowan | abrotman: aah. Neither do I |
| 03:26.31 | Skapare | eldowan: I do this currently in Slackware and am planning to switch to Debian with the same method |
| 03:27.22 | eldowan | Skapare: why do it that way? |
| 03:28.13 | Skapare | eldowan: a few reasons, actually ... for one I have /etc in tmpfs after populating it from a hidden directory where I keep the originals ... no fat finger mistakes can damage the real /etc data that way |
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| 03:28.44 | eldowan | I'm genuinely impressed at the GUI installer. Last I used it, the thing was clunky. Now it is nice, smooth and easy to navigate through. Great job Debian! |
| 03:28.59 | Wyzard | Skapare: You could also accomplish that by e.g. keeping /etc in revision control (subversion, git, etc.) |
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| 03:29.32 | villnew | hey all, anyone know how to set up dosemu to log data (in this case text commands) sent from a program being run in dosemu to a serial port? I can find mention in the manual that it can do this but nothing saying how :( |
| 03:29.33 | Wyzard | Skapare: It's exactly the same procedure and screens as the text installer, just rendered with GTK instead of curses |
| 03:29.47 | Skapare | Wyzard: yes I could, but that would be more of a mess to make the init program revert it automatically |
| 03:30.09 | Skapare | Wyzard: that's assuming init itself didn't get lost |
| 03:30.10 | DarenM | Wyzard> i never received a message from dkpg |
| 03:30.13 | DarenM | dpkg* |
| 03:30.15 | eldowan | Wyzard: Yeah, I noticed that. But it is so much easier than the gui used to be. I'm pleased |
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| 03:30.26 | Wyzard | Skapare: How frequently do you screw up your /etc that you need init to automatically restore it every time you boot? |
| 03:30.34 | eldowan | I'd still like the ncurses based one, the damn thing wouldn't work |
| 03:31.10 | Skapare | Wyzard: once a decade ... that's often enough to worry considering some of my servers are 1000 miles away and need to be highly reliable |
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| 03:31.15 | eldowan | Skapare: so do you make /etc a tmpfs and then cp -r the real one? |
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| 03:31.30 | Skapare | Wyzard: it's a self-healing kind of thing |
| 03:31.31 | vitry | hi to all |
| 03:31.41 | DarenM | hi |
| 03:32.02 | Wyzard | Skapare: And how often do you install/upgrade something that makes changes to /etc, forget to copy all the changes to the "real" /etc, and lose the changes at the next reboot? :-) |
| 03:32.15 | Skapare | eldowan: yeah ... except that the cp is really a function call inside my own init code since the real "cp" hasn't been mounted. yet |
| 03:32.18 | DarenM | !get fhs |
| 03:32.37 | Wyzard | DarenM: /msg dpkg fhs |
| 03:32.43 | eldowan | Skapare: wow. |
| 03:33.08 | Skapare | Wyzard: I've forgotten to for a couple of manual changes to /etc ... as for installing a package, not yet |
| 03:33.49 | villnew | either that or if there is a way to log data sent to a serial port to a file - thought I'd found something that would do it with the program ttylog but that only does data coming in through that serial port and i need to log data going out :( |
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| 03:33.59 | Skapare | Wyzard: I'm working on a system that, when rebooted, will even lose any trojan that might have gotten installed |
| 03:34.20 | DarenM | Wyzard> ty |
| 03:34.27 | vitry | trojans in debian? oh my god! this is not posible |
| 03:34.28 | eldowan | I've come to the software selection of the gui. I don't want a desktop installed, but there is no desktop system checkbox. Does the standard system provide X and the others? |
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| 03:34.58 | Wyzard | Skapare: You could set up a virtual machine that reverts its disks to their original state at shutdown |
| 03:35.03 | Skapare | Wyzard: while it might seem more like paranoia, it's really just technical challenge kinds of stuff that I like to design |
| 03:35.06 | Wyzard | Skapare: e.g. VMware's snapshot feature |
| 03:35.27 | Skapare | Wyzard: that's one way to do it, too |
| 03:35.57 | Skapare | Wyzard: in fact a friend of mine does just that ... for his Windows XP ... in VMware on Linux |
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| 03:36.15 | Wyzard | I do it fairly often for Windows too |
| 03:36.25 | vitry | eldowan, what is the problem? |
| 03:36.32 | kractor | evening all (well, at least its evening here) |
| 03:36.49 | Wyzard | though I don't have it set up that way on a permanent basis; I just make a snapshot when I want to do something potentially risky, and revert/delete the snapshot after I'm done |
| 03:36.57 | eldowan | vitry: no problem. Just curious why the desktop option is available in the text mode installer and not the gui |
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| 03:37.06 | Skapare | Wyzard: but for my own Windows ... which I haven't even booted up in over a year, I just keep the image in an archive direction and reload it to HD if/when I ever need something in Windows |
| 03:37.09 | eldowan | vitry: etch binary cd1 |
| 03:37.24 | Arrick | how do I change the "hostname" in debian? |
| 03:37.36 | mib_qddydcwj | lets say a directory is chowned to user:apache, and if i were to set a file to 775 , does that mean, anyone on the system can read that file? |
| 03:37.41 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 03:37.41 | Arrick | as in debian# I want to be something diffrerent like debian-we# |
| 03:37.41 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 03:37.56 | vitry | eldowan, the guis are only a few options of all the features normally (soory by me english,'im practice it) |
| 03:37.56 | Wyzard | mib_qddydcwj: yes |
| 03:37.57 | Arrick | thanks |
| 03:37.59 | abrotman | mib_qddydcwj: it means the apache user can do whatever it wants .. which is bad |
| 03:38.06 | Wyzard | mib_qddydcwj: The 5 means read and execute for everyone |
| 03:38.13 | abrotman | erm .. apache group |
| 03:38.14 | eldowan | vitry: I understand you fine. OK |
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| 03:39.30 | abrotman | !tell vitry about root |
| 03:39.58 | techouse | strage..Azureus only seems to download with java 1.6 update 3 and refuses with 1.5 :P |
| 03:40.31 | Wyzard | techouse: It worked fine for me on 5 (in sid), though I'm using 6 now |
| 03:40.39 | abrotman | he made his own |
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| 03:41.31 | techouse | Wyzard: the free 1.5 one, not from sun inc. |
| 03:41.38 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 03:41.54 | Wyzard | didn't know the free ones had reached 5 yet |
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| 03:42.05 | techouse | yeah...it's 1.5.0.0 |
| 03:42.08 | Wyzard | but I've never been particularly impressed with gij/kaffe/etc. |
| 03:42.40 | Wyzard | looking forward to OpenJDK being packaged though |
| 03:42.52 | techouse | hmm |
| 03:42.58 | techouse | tasty :D |
| 03:42.58 | kractor | fingers crossed that this works, hehe ... just getting my feet wet with genisoimage / cdrecord ... |
| 03:43.24 | kractor | though hopfully the -dummy option should save me for the most part ... heh |
| 03:43.27 | techouse | kractor: what are you praying for? |
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| 03:43.40 | Wyzard | kractor: Use a rewritable disc :-) |
| 03:43.43 | kractor | techouse, that i read the docs right ... :D |
| 03:43.55 | techouse | lol |
| 03:44.35 | Skapare | Wyzard: I also have /opt and /usr mounted read-only, from the same filesystem w/o a symlink |
| 03:44.40 | kractor | cdrecord spit out one error message but its still at least trying the -dummy run so ... |
| 03:44.49 | nollidj | i've got a laptop with a digital audio out plugged into external speakers, and it works nicely except for some applications, which insist on using the analog out |
| 03:44.56 | Wyzard | Skapare: bind mounts, I assume? |
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| 03:45.11 | nollidj | anyone got an idea on what to do with this? (i guess i'll head to #alsa or some other place if not) |
| 03:45.14 | kractor | ... something about being unable to raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK ... *shrug> |
| 03:45.25 | Wyzard | Skapare: 2.6.24 has the new ability to make a bind mount read-only even if the underlying mount is read-write, btw |
| 03:45.36 | Skapare | Wyzard: yup ... although I do have a kernel patch that lets me specify a path for a bind mount of / at boot time |
| 03:45.53 | Wyzard | Skapare: bind mount of / ? |
| 03:46.09 | Skapare | Wyzard: oh nice ... I had asked for something like that a couple years ago |
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| 03:46.13 | Zygo | although I haven't run it yet ;-) |
| 03:46.15 | Arrick | anyone have any idea why a vm of debian would have a nic, but an exact copy wouldnt? |
| 03:46.28 | n3kl | What is the minimum amount of ram debian needs to run? |
| 03:46.56 | Skapare | Wyzard: what my patch does is make a new boot parameter rootdir= that works with root= |
| 03:47.03 | Wyzard | n3kl: I have some Debian VMs running with 32MB |
| 03:47.10 | Zygo | more than 8MB |
| 03:47.11 | Skapare | Wyzard: it implements it as a bind mount |
| 03:47.17 | n3kl | Wyzard: what are they doing? |
| 03:47.24 | Wyzard | n3kl: Anything less and they'd fail to boot, though I didn't put any effort into reducing the amount of RAM needed by the startup process |
| 03:47.29 | n3kl | Wyzard: and what are you using for your virtualization software? |
| 03:47.36 | Wyzard | n3kl: router, DHCP/DNS server |
| 03:47.39 | Wyzard | n3kl: for my home LAN |
| 03:47.44 | Wyzard | n3kl: Xen |
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| 03:47.54 | n3kl | Wyzard: cool, thanks |
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| 03:48.20 | n3kl | Wyzard: I am in the process of moving from xen to vmware |
| 03:48.36 | Wyzard | n3kl: They both have about 16MB free excluding buffers/cache, according to "free" |
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| 03:49.05 | Wyzard | n3kl: I use VMware on the desktop, but VMware Server is a bit too heavyweight for my router box |
| 03:49.28 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en <- is it possible to install amd64 using this method if you are under 32bit currently? |
| 03:49.42 | cafuego | n3kl: 8mb is pretty much the minimum for a box with a normal 2.6 kernel |
| 03:49.54 | cafuego | n3kl: You can go smaller with older kernels |
| 03:50.01 | Wyzard | that'd be a very absolute stripped-down minimum |
| 03:50.30 | Wyzard | Nyle: Not likely -- the deboostrap process will need to run programs within the chroot, and a 32-bit kernel can't run 64-bit binaries |
| 03:50.31 | n3kl | Wyzard: understood. Xen does not support my routerbox arch so I do those on the host, but I am studying for stuff on limited hardware |
| 03:50.32 | cafuego | For instance, I used to run X and netscape on a box with 8mb ram and 16Mb swap :-) |
| 03:50.56 | Wyzard | n3kl: What arch do you have that Xen doesn't support but VMware does? |
| 03:50.59 | cafuego | what is your router's arch? |
| 03:51.04 | abrotman | cafuego: yay for 2.2 kernels! |
| 03:51.08 | n3kl | Wyzard: i486 |
| 03:51.12 | cafuego | abrotman: Haha. 1.3 ftw |
| 03:51.23 | Wyzard | n3kl: I don't think VMware would work on that either |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | cafuego: oh .. you had it easy! |
| 03:51.31 | cafuego | n3kl: Maybe a dumb question, but why virtualise on such a old piece of hardware? |
| 03:51.40 | Nyle | Wyzard: no cds, no burner. under 32bit os atm, need to install amd64. I have amd64 ubuntu live cd, could I boot that and then use this method? |
| 03:51.50 | Wyzard | n3kl: I use a low-power VIA C7 system |
| 03:51.56 | Wyzard | Nyle: Yes, you could do it from a 64-bit liveCD |
| 03:52.04 | Nyle | oh wait a frigi minute |
| 03:52.05 | techouse | holy shit...java constantly 195 MB RAM |
| 03:52.11 | n3kl | Wyzard: no, missunderstanding. I am not running vmware on the router. I was merely stating that you have a good idea running dns and dhcp in a virtual envirnment, but that option will not work for me |
| 03:52.14 | Nyle | I can use grub and boot the amd64 installer |
| 03:52.15 | Nyle | doh |
| 03:52.20 | n3kl | cafuego: its not old hardware, just old technology |
| 03:52.23 | Nyle | hah, tarded |
| 03:52.25 | Skapare | Wyzard: here, I put the latest version online: http://phil.ipal.org/linux/kernel/patch/rootdir/rootdir-2.6.23.9/rootdir-2.6.23.9.patch |
| 03:52.34 | n3kl | Wyzard: this one is a c3 |
| 03:52.35 | Wyzard | techouse: Keep in mind that Java maintains its own memory pool, so it sucks up more RAM than the app is actually using at the moment |
| 03:52.51 | cafuego | n3kl: a 486 is in no way not old hardware <heh> |
| 03:52.52 | techouse | k |
| 03:52.55 | Wyzard | n3kl: ah... yeah, the C3 lacks a few instructions necessary for Xen support |
| 03:53.20 | n3kl | Wyzard: bummer |
| 03:53.23 | n3kl | meh, I will manage |
| 03:53.53 | Wyzard | n3kl: I wish my desktop box (Core 2 Duo) had the C7's hardware crypto stuff though |
| 03:53.59 | Wyzard | It'd help since I use disk encryption |
| 03:54.01 | n3kl | Wyzard: I was hoping to do some clustering with a few of them in xen just for education, but oh well |
| 03:54.14 | Zygo | It was online earlier this week |
| 03:54.19 | Zygo | I put Etch on it |
| 03:55.12 | Zygo | and the security updates (so it could run a 60-line C program for 5 minutes, and be turned off for another decade ;-) |
| 03:55.14 | techouse | Wyzard: anyhow...azureus+java runs better on my box that utorrent+wine; with utorrent+wine compiz gets a huuge framedrop and appz load longer |
| 03:55.20 | Skapare | a friend of mine was trying to make an old 486 computer work ... but it was heavily encrusted with dust and grime to the point he could not work on it |
| 03:55.30 | Wyzard | Zygo: 18 years ago would be early 1990... I don't think the 486 existed in 1990 |
| 03:55.38 | Skapare | so he takes the motherboard out and puts it in the dishwasher to clean it |
| 03:55.45 | Zygo | Wyzard: Copyright date on the chip is 1989 |
| 03:55.48 | Skapare | it comes out nice and clean and works! |
| 03:55.48 | n3kl | Wyzard: I don't know much about the c7. I have an old ibm diskless thing that I think has a via in it, but I don't know what arch. I keep meaning to netboot it and make it work |
| 03:56.11 | Wyzard | Zygo: Maybe I'm remembering my history wrong, but I got my first PC in 1993 and it was a 16MHz 386... I don't think the 486 was available at that time |
| 03:56.20 | eldowan | Wyzard: the 486 chip absolutely existed in 1990. I had one in '98 |
| 03:56.32 | n3kl | cafuego: http://computers.pricegrabber.com/barebone-systems/m/6933053/ Newegg was selling them a wile back for like $70 so I got a couple |
| 03:56.35 | cafuego | Wyzard: I used Linux on a 486 in 1993, so your dates may be a bit wrong. |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think the early SX were |
| 03:56.44 | Zygo | I had a 486DX/2-33 in April 1993 |
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| 03:56.49 | abrotman | Wyzard: and i bought a DX2/66 in 94 |
| 03:56.51 | Skapare | Wyzard: I think 486 came out in mid 1993 |
| 03:56.51 | techouse | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80486 <-- Produced: From 1989 to 2007 |
| 03:57.00 | cafuego | The 11yo P90 is now a tiny little Xen vm :-) |
| 03:57.04 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting |
| 03:57.07 | Skapare | Wyzard: I know I had a 486 by the end of 93 |
| 03:57.16 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: no, it's older than that. |
| 03:57.25 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 03:57.42 | Zygo | The 18-year old machine was fairly high-end hardware (which probably explains why it still works when my other systems don't) |
| 03:57.55 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: well maybe at the speed I had (40 MHz) |
| 03:58.10 | techouse | i had a 486DX 40 mhz :D |
| 03:58.16 | dondelelcaro | Skapare: pentiums started in 93, and around 94 there were 486DX4 100s. |
| 03:58.25 | techouse | i loved the turbo button :D |
| 03:58.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: apparently somewhere around 89-90 |
| 03:58.37 | n3kl | Wyzard: c7s are new? |
| 03:58.56 | Wyzard | n3kl: Not really... I bought mine a year and a half ago |
| 03:59.06 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: 2 or 3 years later I had a Tyan dual Pentium 133 MHz system |
| 03:59.14 | n3kl | Wyzard: ah |
| 03:59.14 | techouse | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Intel_80486DX-33.jpg <-- year 1989 |
| 03:59.27 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: and a Sun Sparcstation 5/85 |
| 03:59.51 | abrotman | techouse: that's the copyright .. not production year IIRC |
| 04:00.10 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: I still have that Sun box |
| 04:00.26 | mib_qddydcwj | http://paste2.org/p/13219 |
| 04:00.26 | amol | hi to all: i am getting error on my ibm thinkcenter as (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.Fatal server error:no screen found |
| 04:00.30 | techouse | abrotman: <techouse> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80486 <-- Produced: From 1989 to 2007 |
| 04:00.30 | Skapare | dondelelcaro: I used it to help port Slackware to Sparc |
| 04:00.39 | mib_qddydcwj | why cant other users access the news/local.xml ? |
| 04:00.44 | mib_qddydcwj | that file is clearly set to 755! |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | techouse: yes .. you didn't say that the first time |
| 04:00.52 | Wyzard | !tell amol about no screens found |
| 04:00.52 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: try connected monitors or something like that |
| 04:00.54 | mib_qddydcwj | what the hell could be the problem heerE! |
| 04:01.01 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: what about the intervening directories? |
| 04:01.07 | mib_qddydcwj | what do u mean |
| 04:01.10 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: like news/ and whatever directory that is in |
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| 04:01.15 | techouse | :) |
| 04:01.17 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: they must be at least executable |
| 04:01.19 | mib_qddydcwj | sorry i dont follow |
| 04:01.33 | mib_qddydcwj | the directory needs to be executable in order for anyone on the system to read it? |
| 04:01.41 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: correct |
| 04:01.42 | mib_qddydcwj | the news directory? |
| 04:02.02 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: yes, and its parent directory, and *its* parent directory, and so on |
| 04:02.08 | Wyzard | mib_qddydcwj: read permission will let you see the list of files in a directory, but you need execute permission to open any of them, or "cd" into the directory |
| 04:02.29 | mib_qddydcwj | oh |
| 04:02.44 | mib_qddydcwj | oh boy |
| 04:02.45 | Wyzard | mib_qddydcwj: execute permission on a directory is permission to enter the directory |
| 04:02.46 | mib_qddydcwj | this is bad |
| 04:03.22 | mib_qddydcwj | but i do have it no? |
| 04:03.27 | mib_qddydcwj | http://paste2.org/p/13219 |
| 04:03.28 | amol | Wyzard:http://pastebin.com/m7968923a this is my xorg.log file |
| 04:03.34 | mib_qddydcwj | news directory, its got x x x |
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| 04:04.04 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: yes... hwat about the ones you left out? |
| 04:04.17 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: /home/jane/domains/ and /home/jane/domains/jane.com/ |
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| 04:04.22 | se7en_ | abrotman: i finaly got it (modem) working with wvdial but i have to run it as root ... is that a problem |
| 04:04.27 | Wyzard | amol: (EE) I810(0): Monitor 2 cannot be specified on single pipe devices |
| 04:04.28 | mib_qddydcwj | they all have x x x |
| 04:04.30 | mib_qddydcwj | http://paste2.org/p/13219 |
| 04:04.31 | Wyzard | amol: That's the real error |
| 04:05.04 | mib_qddydcwj | check it out |
| 04:05.04 | abrotman | se7en_: what happens if you run it as a normal user? |
| 04:05.04 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: then the permissions should be sufficient. What error do you get? |
| 04:05.04 | Wyzard | amol: "single pipe" means your video device can only use one monitor at a time, and you have X configured to try to display on two monitors |
| 04:05.05 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: this does not sound like a permission issue. `grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log` should tell you that it is failing, right? So, this is a xorg server issue, not a user permissions issue |
| 04:05.07 | se7en_ | permission problem /user/bin/pppd |
| 04:05.14 | amol | Wyzard:why this error is coming? |
| 04:05.17 | mib_qddydcwj | not an error, says file not found |
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| 04:05.30 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: what file are you trying to access? |
| 04:05.35 | mib_qddydcwj | local.xml |
| 04:05.36 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: thought you said there were no screen config found? |
| 04:05.39 | Wyzard | amol: You're trying to do dual-screen on a video card that doesn't support dual-screen |
| 04:05.44 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: I mean, what is the exact filename that it is trying to open it with? |
| 04:05.45 | abrotman | se7en_: if you run 'groups' .. is dialout there ? |
| 04:06.00 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: just "local.xml" or "/home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml" or something else? |
| 04:06.03 | se7en_ | abrotman: yes and dip |
| 04:06.08 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: listen to Wyzard |
| 04:06.16 | mib_qddydcwj | yes this "/home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml |
| 04:06.42 | se7en_ | error is unable to run /usr/sbin/pppd abrotman |
| 04:06.45 | abrotman | se7en_: hrm .. okay .. though i've only used pppconfig/pon/poff .. |
| 04:06.47 | amol | Wyzard:how to disable dual-screen configuration? |
| 04:06.51 | mib_qddydcwj | im just using like vi /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml |
| 04:06.54 | n3kl | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-comcast-tweaks-terms-of-service-in-wake-of-throttling-uproar.html |
| 04:07.08 | mib_qddydcwj | and using cat |
| 04:07.21 | mib_qddydcwj | when i do cat /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml says file not found |
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| 04:07.24 | mib_qddydcwj | how come? |
| 04:07.25 | Skapare | n3kl: one line summary? |
| 04:07.30 | Wyzard | amol: Edit your xorg.conf, I guess... I don't don't know the details of how to configure an 865G video device |
| 04:07.31 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: hm... can you do ls -l /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/ ? |
| 04:07.37 | n3kl | Skapare: comcast-tweaks-terms-of-service-in-wake-of-throttling-uproar |
| 04:07.53 | n3kl | =] |
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| 04:08.02 | mib_qddydcwj | drwxr-xr-x 8 jane apache 4096 Feb 7 19:36 /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news |
| 04:08.02 | Skapare | n3kl: e.g. they are now disallowing linux users? |
| 04:08.06 | abrotman | !slashdot |
| 04:08.08 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (7 of 15): Comcast's New Terms of Service Disclose Traffic Management ;; FBI Sought Approval To Use Spyware Through FISC ;; The Future of XML ;; Bruce Schneier Weighs in on IT Lock-in Strategies ;; Do Not Call Registry Set to Become Permanent ;; Cell Hits 45nm, PS3 Price Drop Likely to Follow ;; PC World Tests Final Version of Vista SP1. |
| 04:08.14 | mib_qddydcwj | grrr r u guys even looking at my paste |
| 04:08.14 | n3kl | Skapare: p2p traffic shaping |
| 04:08.16 | amol | Wyzard:from where i can get info about edit xorg for 865G |
| 04:08.21 | \amethyst | Skapare: they disconnect P2P traffic |
| 04:08.28 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: you started talking permissions, I gave up |
| 04:08.46 | n3kl | if permissions is your problem, http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+permissions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 04:08.50 | se7en_ | abrotman: should i change permission on /usr/sbin/pppd to 775 ? or run it as root |
| 04:08.58 | Wyzard | amol: man i810 |
| 04:09.00 | Wyzard | amol: google |
| 04:09.01 | abrotman | se7en_: isn't it sticky? |
| 04:09.08 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: you're running that as the same user who can't cat the file? |
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| 04:09.21 | se7en_ | abrotman: sticky? |
| 04:09.28 | Skapare | n3kl: but have they disallowed IPsec encryption? |
| 04:09.31 | abrotman | se7en_: ls -l /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 04:09.35 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: so, as the same user, cat /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml doesn't work but ls -l /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml does work? |
| 04:09.35 | mib_qddydcwj | im using john, and i cant cat jane's news/local.xml file |
| 04:09.47 | n3kl | Skapare: not for me. (yet) |
| 04:09.53 | mib_qddydcwj | i want john to access jane's news/local.xml |
| 04:09.58 | se7en_ | ls: /usr/bin/pppd: No such file or directory |
| 04:10.09 | Wyzard | I signed up for Verizon FiOS recently and they had similar terms, I believe |
| 04:10.10 | mib_qddydcwj | as the user ofcourse it works |
| 04:10.11 | se7en_ | -rwsr-xr-- 1 root dip 260920 2007-04-14 07:59 /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 04:10.15 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: and john can do ls -l /home/jane/domains/jane.com/public_html/news/local.xml and it works? |
| 04:10.31 | n3kl | se7en_: why are you chaning permissions of pppd? You should be able to chmod a script that launches whatever it is you are doing with it, including sudo to the application that you are using if needed |
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| 04:11.00 | n3kl | se7en_: you have suid set |
| 04:11.07 | mib_qddydcwj | yes i can ls -l |
| 04:11.13 | mib_qddydcwj | with john |
| 04:11.18 | Arrick | whats the command to upgrade your box? apt-get dist upgrade? |
| 04:11.21 | abrotman | se7en_: 's' ..sticky |
| 04:11.22 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: but catting exactly the same file doesn't work? no clue then |
| 04:11.32 | wols | Arrick: no |
| 04:11.39 | n3kl | Arrick: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:11.43 | Arrick | ok thanks |
| 04:12.00 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: what filesystem? |
| 04:12.09 | mib_qddydcwj | bah |
| 04:12.09 | wols | n3kl: if you do this with a sarge to zpgrade to etch, you have a 50% chance of hosing the system |
| 04:12.11 | mib_qddydcwj | forget it |
| 04:12.14 | mib_qddydcwj | i give up |
| 04:12.17 | mib_qddydcwj | i give up on life |
| 04:12.20 | mib_qddydcwj | gonna go kill myself now |
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| 04:12.31 | wols | mib_qddydcwj: good. as long as you stop misusing enter |
| 04:12.43 | Skapare | n3kl: I could understand it more if they were to merely lower the bandwidth on people who actually use more bandwidth regardless of whatever protocol ... but specifically targeting p2p shows some other intent |
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| 04:12.54 | n3kl | wols: ah |
| 04:13.09 | Skapare | n3kl: typical of corporate liars^h^h^h^h^hexecutives |
| 04:13.20 | n3kl | Skapare: torrents and ftp in particular, but there is a log og legit traffic with these protocols |
| 04:13.29 | mib_qddydcwj | ok how can i then make it so a file is not accessbile to everyone? |
| 04:13.41 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 04:13.41 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 04:13.48 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: go lean about permissions |
| 04:13.49 | wols | mib_qddydcwj: you set it's owner to root or whatevre and only allow root to access it |
| 04:13.55 | se7en_ | n3kl: suid set ? |
| 04:13.56 | wols | !tell mib_qddydcwj about permissions |
| 04:14.01 | n3kl | mib_qddydcwj: chmod o-rwx file |
| 04:14.03 | mib_qddydcwj | i alread y know |
| 04:14.06 | Skapare | n3kl: I haven't seen them hit ssh yet ... OTOH, lots of my ssh is on ports other than 22 |
| 04:14.08 | mib_qddydcwj | im just dbl checking with u guys |
| 04:14.24 | wols | mib_qddydcwj: if you knew you wouldn't ask. so it's a lie |
| 04:14.34 | mib_qddydcwj | chmod 774 means, rwx to everyone, but only write execute to world ? |
| 04:14.46 | \amethyst | 4 means write but no execute |
| 04:14.48 | wols | mib_qddydcwj: no |
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| 04:14.52 | n3kl | Skapare: they won't. ssh does not pass tons of traffic in comparison, and lets face it, your isp uses ssh also |
| 04:14.54 | mib_qddydcwj | wait i want world to be execute only |
| 04:15.11 | n3kl | se7en_: yeah, its a permission. go google |
| 04:15.13 | wols | mib_qddydcwj: learn about permissions then |
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| 04:15.17 | \amethyst | mib_qddydcwj: 771 or 751 or 711 depending on what you want the group permissions to be |
| 04:15.24 | wols | dpkg gave yu a starting point |
| 04:15.38 | mib_qddydcwj | but if i set something to 771 , will apache be able to read that file? |
| 04:15.40 | n3kl | se7en_: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml#setuid |
| 04:15.44 | wols | \amethyst: executing without reading? how will that work? |
| 04:15.52 | Skapare | n3kl: _my_ ssh does :) ... even my irc traffic is going out over comcast via ssh to a port other than 22 to a colocated server, and it looks to the irc server is my irc client being on that server |
| 04:16.04 | \amethyst | wols: easy, I use it fairly often |
| 04:16.19 | \amethyst | wols: it means you can't see the list of contents, but you can access them if you know their names |
| 04:16.20 | Skapare | n3kl: all my web surfing is ssh'd to my proxy server on another machine |
| 04:16.31 | \amethyst | wols: (on a directory that is) |
| 04:16.40 | wols | \amethyst: so this is for directories, but not for files? |
| 04:16.43 | mib_qddydcwj | so for security sake, most user's files should be like 711 etc... ? |
| 04:16.50 | Skapare | n3kl: if comcast were to look at my traffic, it would be about 99.9% ssh on strange ports |
| 04:16.53 | \amethyst | wols: right... but files can also be execute-but-not-read |
| 04:17.07 | \amethyst | wols: *scripts* usually have to be readable to execute them, but not binaries |
| 04:17.29 | n3kl | Skapare: your proxy is internal though. You are still traversing http to the web server |
| 04:17.41 | \amethyst | wols: some people chmod go-r their setuid programs for security through obscurity, for example |
| 04:17.58 | Internat | noob question, is there a argument for find that only returns direcotires? |
| 04:18.04 | \amethyst | Internat: -type d |
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| 04:18.14 | Skapare | n3kl: no it isn't .. the proxy is on the colocated server ... I use port forwarding via SSH to reach the server ... browser is configured to use the forwarded port |
| 04:18.22 | mernil | hi all! :-) |
| 04:18.36 | wols | Skapare: all you do is paying a 2nd ISP basically (your colo hoster) |
| 04:18.44 | Skapare | n3kl: from my _server_ it then goes out as real clear HTTP ... |
| 04:18.45 | mernil | damn im sweeting like hell |
| 04:18.54 | n3kl | Skapare: ah |
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| 04:19.00 | \amethyst | wols: I don't know how executable readablity affects the ability to, for example, ptrace the process |
| 04:19.09 | Skapare | wols: yeah, but I have huge bandwidth cheap there |
| 04:19.22 | mib_qddydcwj | is 771 pretty safe? |
| 04:19.35 | n3kl | Skapare: I highly doubt that any isp would block ssh, so I think you are safe |
| 04:19.38 | Skapare | wols: the intent, though, is to hide all from comcast |
| 04:19.59 | \amethyst | that doesn't mean they won't auto-block funny ports that get lots of encrypted traffic, regardless of protocol |
| 04:20.07 | mernil | I always ask myself three questions about things. Now you have the chance to answer: Why should one use debian? |
| 04:20.24 | \amethyst | !whydebian |
| 04:20.24 | dpkg | i guess whydebian is because http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian, http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html, http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
| 04:20.31 | Skapare | n3kl: I doubt it, too ... but you never know for sure ... and I avoid port 22 so they may never even see my traffic _as_ ssh even if they decided to throttle ssh |
| 04:20.45 | mernil | you dont have to answer.. im just trolling. |
| 04:21.07 | wols | https. that one is never blocked |
| 04:21.20 | Skapare | n3kl: though my reason for avoiding port 22 is to avoid filling my logs with attempts to guess passwords on non-existant usernames |
| 04:21.25 | n3kl | Skapare: you *could* vpn to you colo and set your default route through the tunnel. That would spare the comcast snoop, but eventually you are subject to another isp anyway |
| 04:21.29 | mernil | I have used debian before, but i think slackware is more convenient. |
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| 04:21.46 | n3kl | Skapare: tried denyhosts? |
| 04:22.16 | Skapare | n3kl: yeah, but my these servers are at an ISP that calls _me_ when they have problems they need to solve :) |
| 04:22.40 | n3kl | Skapare: are you in the US? |
| 04:22.54 | Skapare | n3kl: a change of port number eliminated the ssh log issue entirely |
| 04:23.01 | Skapare | n3kl: yes |
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| 04:23.36 | Skapare | n3kl: Q: is n3kl your ham call? |
| 04:23.38 | n3kl | Skapare: http://www.calea.org/ ISPs still have to abide by calea, which in the event of a warrent, traffic records must be regurgitated. |
| 04:24.16 | Skapare | n3kl: so |
| 04:24.16 | n3kl | Skapare: ham radio? no? Are you an apocalypse person? |
| 04:24.52 | Skapare | n3kl: "n3kl" matches a ham radio callsign pattern ... I don't recognize it for any other meaning |
| 04:25.01 | n3kl | Skapare: all I am saying is that in the US, you are subject to an ever retreating list of freedoms |
| 04:25.17 | n3kl | Skapare: it sucks man |
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| 04:25.20 | Skapare | n3kl: yeah, I know the issue |
| 04:25.55 | sco50000 | when i try to play DVDs in Kaffeine, X crashes. could Xgl be casuing this? |
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| 04:27.27 | n3kl | Skapare: you know where to get them? |
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| 04:28.07 | Skapare | n3kl: {fr,g}oogle for "icom kenwood yaesu" |
| 04:28.53 | Skapare | n3kl: aesham.com |
| 04:29.05 | n3kl | Skapare: neat |
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| 04:31.14 | nosun | is it possible to run debian with gui on a 2mb videocard? |
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| 04:31.29 | abrotman | what are the other specs? |
| 04:31.34 | wols | nosun: yes |
| 04:31.35 | nosun | old old |
| 04:31.36 | nosun | pci |
| 04:31.39 | Skapare | nosun: 8-bit color might help, but sure |
| 04:31.42 | abrotman | nosun: in general .. yes |
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| 04:31.55 | abrotman | probably 800x600 at 16bit color |
| 04:31.56 | wols | with 2MB you can run 1024x768 at 32bit |
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| 04:32.12 | nosun | I dunno but my one Compaq PII class 400+/- mhz system don't want to boot:S |
| 04:32.15 | wols | abrotman: 512kB are enough for that |
| 04:32.19 | abrotman | i went from 32KB to 16MB .. so hell if i know :) |
| 04:32.21 | nosun | or not run x |
| 04:32.35 | nosun | but haven't really looked into it to much |
| 04:32.44 | nosun | I know that I got this one 4mb S3 card |
| 04:32.45 | nosun | that works fine |
| 04:32.57 | Skapare | at 1152x864 you can do 32 bit in 4MB |
| 04:32.58 | nosun | but damn other 2mb video cards even same S3 with 2mb don't do it |
| 04:33.08 | wols | nosun: the deciding factor with these cases is usually RAM. you want 64MB RAM or more to run X |
| 04:33.14 | wols | at least in debian |
| 04:33.30 | Skapare | wols: 1024x768 at 32 bits = 3MB |
| 04:33.55 | Skapare | wols: 1024x768 at 24 bits - still over 2MB |
| 04:33.57 | nosun | I don't care the resolution I don't care the bits... I just want to be able to boot into gui mode;P |
| 04:34.00 | nosun | of some sort |
| 04:34.00 | nosun | :P |
| 04:34.25 | nosun | can be 640x480 |
| 04:34.35 | nosun | 800x600 preffered though |
| 04:34.39 | Skapare | nosun: 1152x864 at 16-bit would fit |
| 04:34.42 | wols | nosun: will work |
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| 04:35.03 | nosun | any clues what would stop x from starting on a standard installation? |
| 04:35.04 | nosun | ;P |
| 04:35.50 | nosun | I'm asking as a not much detail question as I've had this occure on more then 1 comp;P |
| 04:35.54 | nollidj | nosun: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 04:35.55 | nosun | so I guess its a common problem |
| 04:35.59 | Skapare | nosun: not enough clever modelines in its default config |
| 04:36.05 | nollidj | oh, you *want* it to start |
| 04:36.06 | nollidj | sorry |
| 04:36.16 | nosun | yes I want to have gui |
| 04:36.19 | nosun | and it won't;P |
| 04:36.26 | nollidj | i will read the past conversation before jumping in in the future |
| 04:36.34 | nosun | heh |
| 04:36.37 | nosun | don't worry |
| 04:36.45 | cafuego | nevyn: 1360ft, but the submission doesn't work |
| 04:36.59 | nosun | so any tips on what might be the issue if its something common? |
| 04:37.03 | nosun | or noop? |
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| 04:41.52 | nosun | I'll try and do 16bit video |
| 04:41.57 | nosun | I guess |
| 04:42.04 | nosun | thanks |
| 04:42.06 | Skapare | nosun: if it's not a case of no good video mode to choose from, then it could be one or more of many other issues |
| 04:42.20 | Skapare | nosun: need to see the messages and try stuff to figure it out |
| 04:42.32 | nevyn | cafuego: the whole highscore thing seems quite broken |
| 04:42.37 | nosun | will look more into it |
| 04:42.52 | nosun | if its not a 32bit video issue |
| 04:42.54 | Skapare | nosun: are you displaying on a CRT or LCD? |
| 04:42.59 | nosun | crt |
| 04:43.15 | Arrick | hey who runs the http://www.debian-administration.org site? |
| 04:43.18 | se7en_ | n3kl: i googled suid and i don't understand it sorry, what should i do so pppd doesn't run only as root, because that is i guess the problem |
| 04:43.21 | Skapare | nosun: then you'll need to keep your vertical scan right reasonably high |
| 04:43.25 | Skapare | rate |
| 04:43.49 | nosun | I will use the video card that works and go in gui mode and change resolution and crap |
| 04:43.55 | nosun | ten switch video cards;P |
| 04:43.58 | nosun | then* |
| 04:43.58 | Skapare | Arrick: Steve Kemp ... according to whois |
| 04:44.03 | nosun | 2 systems |
| 04:44.11 | Arrick | does he visit in here Skapare ? |
| 04:44.18 | nosun | both same specs same everything just I don't have 2x 4mb video cards;P |
| 04:44.22 | Arrick | because his tutorial http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357#before throws errors |
| 04:44.26 | nosun | that are pci |
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| 04:44.48 | nosun | I got a Rage XL but I need to get a bios dump off someone before I can use it |
| 04:44.54 | nosun | 8mb pci card;P |
| 04:45.07 | Skapare | Arrick: no idea ... find his email and ask about the problem |
| 04:45.51 | Arrick | thanks |
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| 04:46.42 | wols | Arrick: you don't need a firewall |
| 04:47.03 | Arrick | wols, I know that part |
| 04:47.05 | wols | and what errors do you mean |
| 04:47.31 | Arrick | I was talking about the apache "secure" config from the local_configs.conf section |
| 04:47.38 | Arrick | </Directory > |
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| 04:47.53 | Arrick | has a trailing space which throws apache into coniption fits |
| 04:48.05 | Arrick | should be </Directory> |
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| 04:49.20 | decipher7 | hi everyone |
| 04:51.38 | snogglethorpe | is there a recommended way to run compiz? |
| 04:51.52 | snogglethorpe | If I just do "compiz --replace &", then it works, but I get a warning: |
| 04:52.01 | snogglethorpe | libGL error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted) |
| 04:52.01 | snogglethorpe | libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering |
| 04:52.18 | snogglethorpe | but if I do "sudo compiz --replace &", then I get _another_ warning: |
| 04:52.35 | snogglethorpe | Unable to create /home/soft1/miles/.dbus/session-bus |
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| 04:52.48 | snogglethorpe | ugh |
| 04:52.54 | snogglethorpe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:53.29 | decipher7 | i just took the plunge in installing etch... i haven't touched linux since 02, getting back into it. I have been looking for the settings and configuration files for the terminals both when x is started and when i boot in single user mode. I tried setting VGA=### in grub, but what I'd really like to do is get it in a different resolution, refresh rate, and possibly add some sort of a watermark like some distros (ie dreamlinux). can anyone he |
| 04:54.59 | aarcane | decipher7, you can try using usplash if you want a pretty progress bar while you're booting. not sure what else debian supports. |
| 04:55.26 | amol | how to know that video card is dual-head or single head? |
| 04:55.36 | aarcane | decipher7, you can't change refresh rate with most fb drivers. I'm not certain which fb driver debian uses by default. |
| 04:56.05 | amol | is there any command to know video card is dual -head or single -head? |
| 04:56.11 | aarcane | amol, look at it. are there more than one output ? if yes: card might be multi-headed. google it. if no: card is not multi headed. |
| 04:57.10 | decipher7 | aarcane: excuse my ignorance... fb? |
| 04:57.36 | aarcane | amol, if the card is intel, nvidia, or ati based and made in the last 5 years or so and has two or more outputs, there's a good chance that it's a dual head card. |
| 04:57.45 | aarcane | Skapare, desktop or laptop ? |
| 04:57.53 | aarcane | decipher7, framebuffer. it's the console mode graphics support. |
| 04:58.02 | Skapare | aarcane: separate USB connected drive |
| 04:58.33 | aarcane | Skapare, oh. you're screwed then. I suggest starting with the last place you remember it, and just keep searching until you find it. try retracing your steps. |
| 04:58.55 | amol | aarcane:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 04:58.58 | Skapare | aarcane: I last remember it being on the dining room table about 3 weeks ago :-( |
| 04:59.26 | decipher7 | aarcane: thanks! you gave me a good starting point to do some research |
| 04:59.30 | Skapare | aarcane: I guess I'll have to get the new SATA one configured |
| 04:59.30 | aarcane | Skapare, hrrm. maybe someone you live with threw it out thinking it was junk? if you can't find it, be prepared to buy a new one. |
| 04:59.45 | amol | aarcane:for this card after ecah boot i require to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:59.49 | Skapare | aarcane: I would not have thrown it out ... it was a very good one, actually |
| 04:59.50 | aarcane | amol, so is there more than one connector on it ? |
| 05:00.10 | Skapare | aarcane: maybe my nephew "borrowed" it |
| 05:00.24 | nosun | the error that occures with debian is No Screen Found |
| 05:00.25 | nosun | :S |
| 05:00.37 | nosun | x trys to start like 3 times |
| 05:00.48 | aarcane | Skapare, :-S sata is faster anyway. you should blindly accuse the nephew. if he didn't take it, you'll alienate him. if he did, he'd never admit it, so you should accuse him and treat him as if he did whether you know or not :) |
| 05:00.48 | nosun | then it shows error thinger |
| 05:00.56 | nosun | that sound like something? |
| 05:01.08 | amol | aarcane:yes |
| 05:01.09 | nosun | gonna try and check the log |
| 05:01.10 | Skapare | aarcane: maybe the SATA one (internal) will be as good ... they are both LG brand |
| 05:01.37 | Skapare | aarcane: newly built computer ... haven't tested recording on it, yet |
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| 05:01.51 | aarcane | nosun, sounds like X isn't properly configured. try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or X -configure |
| 05:01.58 | aarcane | Skapare, well good luck. |
| 05:02.26 | amol | aarcane: i am getting error as (EE) I810(0): Monitor 2 cannot be specified on single pipe devices |
| 05:02.27 | cafuego | !noscreensfound |
| 05:02.28 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 05:02.40 | aarcane | amol, then it probably supports dual head mode. you should google "82865G intel dual head" |
| 05:03.18 | Skapare | aarcane: OK, cdrecord found it at 4,0,0 ... so I guess I can go ahead and burn DVDs |
| 05:03.20 | aarcane | amol, if it's only a single pipe device than maybe it doesn't. I still suggest googling it, as it might still be an issue with your configuration or the driver. |
| 05:03.22 | nosun | thanks |
| 05:03.25 | nosun | will try |
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| 05:04.02 | aarcane | Skapare, just try it and see. lemme know how the burn goes~ I may be looking for one soon ;) |
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| 05:05.37 | Skapare | aarcane: it's not keeping the buffer near 100% ... it is claiming an 8x (DVD speed) burn |
| 05:05.40 | wols | info growisofs |
| 05:05.46 | wols | !info growisofs |
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| 05:06.04 | Skapare | aarcane: that and the machine is also copying many GBs from the drive with the DVDs over to some other drives |
| 05:06.36 | Skapare | aarcane: I have 2 SATA 750GB and 4 USB 500GB and 1 Firewire 1TB drive on this machine |
| 05:07.31 | Skapare | aarcane: I'm burning Debian i386 DVDs to take them to work tomorrow |
| 05:08.25 | aarcane | Skapare, so it's not keeping up with burning, but you're copying so much space around it's to be expected? |
| 05:08.39 | aarcane | s/space/data/ |
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| 05:09.13 | aarcane | oh, and Skapare, how can you afford so much storage space ? |
| 05:09.14 | Skapare | aarcane: yeah ... we'll see if it works |
| 05:09.31 | Skapare | aarcane: uh ... I have a job and get a paycheck? |
| 05:09.38 | nosun | works:D |
| 05:09.40 | nosun | thanks all |
| 05:09.47 | Skapare | nosun: yay! |
| 05:09.49 | aarcane | Skapare, I get a paycheck too, but I can barely make rent every month :-S |
| 05:09.59 | aarcane | Skapare, must be some sort of voodoo secret you've got ^,.,^ |
| 05:10.03 | aarcane | nosun, enjoy. |
| 05:10.21 | Skapare | aarcane: http://timesys.com/ |
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| 05:13.33 | sier | Hi, I dont want to sound stupid, but how does Debian compare, to Ubuntu, Slackware and Gentoo?? Ive been using the other 3 for a couple months, and encountered many problems, and looks like Debian is exactly what Im looking for.. something simple to configure and has a great package system (apt-get).. Anything you guys would like to add? :) |
| 05:13.48 | Skapare | "Min drive buffer fill was 23%" <-- I guess it managed to do the burn OK |
| 05:15.12 | Skapare | I'm reading it back and comparing now |
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| 05:17.46 | se7en_ | is it possible to lable a hdd without formating |
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| 05:18.47 | Skapare | sier: I have been a Slackware users since 1.0 ... I recently started using Debian on a server ... it has been a breeze ... dselect works smooth ... compare that to yum on some machines at work ... yum s**ks |
| 05:19.06 | moshii | sier: A monkey with no hands can get almost all their stuff working in Ubuntu, Debian could be a problem for those that can't read or use google. |
| 05:20.19 | hark | se7en_: yes, say using e2label for ext2/ext3 |
| 05:20.20 | Skapare | 1000 monkeys given enough time could ... ? |
| 05:20.34 | Skapare | fix Vista ? |
| 05:20.47 | moshii | Skapare: Apples, Oranges |
| 05:20.53 | se7en_ | thanks hark |
| 05:21.08 | Skapare | moshii: OS/X? |
| 05:21.30 | iateadonut | how do you install ttf's? |
| 05:21.36 | iateadonut | ones that are not in the repository? |
| 05:21.50 | moshii | Skapare: "Everyone to their own" |
| 05:22.18 | moshii | Skapare: one thing I can say for osx users,.. they haven't turned up here expecting support for it yet. |
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| 05:22.43 | hark | iateadonut: just drop them in ~/.fonts/ |
| 05:22.47 | Skapare | the DVD seems to be burned OK ... compared it back to the ISO and no diffs |
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| 05:24.10 | sier | moshii, thats the reason why I don want to use ubuntu anymore.. Ubuntu is too simple.. its a "windowized" linux.. gentoo takes just too long to compile stuff.. and slackware doesnt have a decent package system |
| 05:24.22 | Skapare | 10 min to burn and 7 min to read Debian's i386 DVD #1 |
| 05:24.43 | iateadonut | hark, what about for system wide? |
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| 05:25.32 | moshii | sier: Gentoo does have binary packages, plus you can use stuff like ccache. Anyhow the only way to know if you like debian is to give it a go. |
| 05:25.45 | MagiSu | hi everyone |
| 05:25.47 | MagiSu | I have some problem and need some help |
| 05:25.52 | iateadonut | sier, mandriva works pretty well. |
| 05:25.57 | hark | iateadonut: /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 05:25.58 | moshii | !ask |
| 05:25.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:26.11 | iateadonut | you just drop them in, just like that? |
| 05:26.19 | MagiSu | I am using Debian Lenny/Sid. And when I use kaffeine+w32codecs, the X frequently crash |
| 05:26.22 | moshii | hark: shouldn't that be *local* |
| 05:26.23 | iateadonut | and restart x. |
| 05:26.45 | hark | iateadonut: or create a directory there |
| 05:26.49 | wols | one uses sid. with proprietary windows binaries. and it crashes. miracles! |
| 05:26.52 | wols | sheesh |
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| 05:27.05 | iateadonut | ok. i'll just see where the other .ttf's are and put them in there. |
| 05:27.22 | iateadonut | i didn't know it was that easy as putting them in there. when x starts, it automatically checks them all? |
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| 05:27.46 | moshii | iateadonut: you should be putting non-packaged stuff in /usr/local |
| 05:27.55 | hark | moshii: yeah, /usr/local/share/fonts/ too |
| 05:28.21 | moshii | hark: not too. your stuff goes in local, debian will never touch that. |
| 05:28.25 | iateadonut | if i'm sure that the fonts are safe, does it matter? |
| 05:28.31 | Nyle | hm |
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| 05:30.31 | Nyle | seems that the grub/lilo both fail to install to /target (grub-installer fails with 'grub not found') in testing netboot, priority=low, selected debian mirror for unstable (before even the base system is downloaded) |
| 05:30.45 | Nyle | lilo with similar problem |
| 05:31.32 | Nyle | I tried to get it to install/run but ... grub-install can't find package grub, its referenced by something else |
| 05:31.39 | Nyle | oh well |
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| 05:33.13 | moshii | Nyle: grub-install is probably bitching because it can't find the bootloader stages |
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| 05:34.05 | Nyle | moshii: switching the mirror to testing and its fine |
| 05:34.31 | Nyle | I wonder what was causing the bug, however, what could cause it to not find the bootloader stages |
| 05:35.12 | moshii | Nyle: the grub-install thing is meant to put those in. But I've grub-installer to be just slightly crap |
| 05:36.42 | moshii | Nyle: There are a bunch of new grub flavours in sid now.. including an efi one, so maybe they've broke it there |
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| 05:38.12 | Nyle | its grub-installer |
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| 05:38.37 | Arrick | grr, how do I make a symlink in debian? |
| 05:38.40 | Arrick | Nyle, evening |
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| 05:38.51 | Nyle | Arrick: hi |
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| 05:38.57 | NeoLobst2r | Arrick: ln -s /path/to/target symlink_name |
| 05:38.58 | Nyle | man ln |
| 05:39.02 | Arrick | thanks |
| 05:39.26 | NeoLobst2r | hey, has anyone run into any problems with being unable to create filesystems on disks? |
| 05:39.31 | Nyle | ok |
| 05:39.39 | Nyle | upgrading to sid now and it seems all fine |
| 05:39.44 | Nyle | lets find out on the reboot |
| 05:40.08 | moshii | NeoLobst2r: what fs, what sort of disk/hardware |
| 05:40.12 | NeoLobst2r | I had some disks that used to be part of a hardware raid setup, and when I try to mke2fs on them after partitioning them, it says "is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" |
| 05:40.31 | Nyle | lvm |
| 05:40.31 | NeoLobst2r | moshii: well, I'm trying to set up a software raid on 3 SATA disks |
| 05:40.49 | NeoLobst2r | Nyle: what about lvm? |
| 05:41.01 | moshii | NeoLobst2r: maybe they have some funky raid superblock on them? tried dd /dev/null onto them for a bit? |
| 05:41.18 | liable | I just got snail mail spam from a domain registrar.. |
| 05:41.18 | Nyle | ohnothing |
| 05:41.23 | Nyle | just talking outloud |
| 05:41.27 | NeoLobst2r | I dd /dev/zero on them for a while already |
| 05:41.30 | NeoLobst2r | but only like 30 seconds |
| 05:41.52 | moshii | NeoLobst2r: check dmesg and see if the kernel says anything about those disks |
| 05:42.50 | NeoLobst2r | all it says is things from when I created the partitions, such as: |
| 05:42.50 | NeoLobst2r | sd 3:0:0:0: [sdd] 976773168 512-byte hardware sectors (500108 MB) |
| 05:42.50 | NeoLobst2r | sd 3:0:0:0: [sdd] Write Protect is off |
| 05:42.50 | NeoLobst2r | sd 3:0:0:0: [sdd] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00 |
| 05:42.50 | NeoLobst2r | sd 3:0:0:0: [sdd] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA |
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| 05:43.02 | NeoLobst2r | for 4 lines? jeez |
| 05:43.25 | NeoLobst2r | it was just "write protect off" stuff |
| 05:43.37 | moshii | NeoLobst2r: thats not from creating the partition, that's the kernel probing the disk |
| 05:44.12 | moshii | NeoLobst2r: if you're sure the disk is not in use/you don't care there should be a force option |
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| 05:44.48 | moshii | NeoLobst2r: or try from single user mode |
| 05:45.57 | NeoLobst2r | also, I noticed that after rebooting, the partitions I create disappear from /dev |
| 05:46.05 | NeoLobst2r | but fdisk -l still shows them |
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| 05:47.31 | nosun | much thanks to all you people |
| 05:47.54 | moshii | NeoLobster: hmm does the kernel detect those partitions? that'd be in the dmesg output |
| 05:48.22 | nosun | I now have 2x TurnTables that can hook to comp via USB(acts like a mouse), 2x mini pc's that can run TerminatorX on em, a Mixer that seems to work right.... |
| 05:48.25 | eljefe | did anyone read the howtoforge article about Mandriva Directory Server on Etch? At the end, the clients are configured to use a proxy. why? |
| 05:48.32 | nosun | not much can go badly;P |
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| 05:48.56 | eljefe | nosun what usb turntables? |
| 05:49.04 | moshii | NeoLobster: now you just need to learn how to count beats and scratch |
| 05:49.13 | nosun | I bought 2x turntables |
| 05:49.19 | NeoLobster | moshii: you mean after a reboot? |
| 05:49.21 | nosun | aka phonograph or record player |
| 05:49.24 | NeoLobster | or after fdisk |
| 05:49.28 | nosun | and modded em;) |
| 05:49.40 | eljefe | yeah i get it, is 2x the brand? |
| 05:49.49 | nosun | I plan on taking a nice pictar of this setup after I'm done;P |
| 05:49.50 | Nyle | moshii: skratch! |
| 05:49.53 | eljefe | ah modded them, cool |
| 05:49.57 | NeoLobster | Is there a way to clear the superblock without writing zeros to the disk? |
| 05:50.05 | nosun | they work like computer mouses |
| 05:50.06 | nosun | :p |
| 05:50.11 | Nyle | mice |
| 05:50.12 | nosun | via usb |
| 05:50.24 | nosun | not optical |
| 05:50.28 | Nyle | rodents |
| 05:50.29 | moshii | nosun: so you can't record from them? |
| 05:50.32 | eljefe | nosun how did you connect them to the music's output? |
| 05:50.44 | nosun | no music output |
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| 05:50.56 | nosun | the record palyers are just a way of interacting with the software |
| 05:50.56 | nosun | :P |
| 05:51.09 | eljefe | so.. what do they do? scroll the page? |
| 05:51.10 | nosun | they are not ment to play records |
| 05:51.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 05:51.15 | nosun | no no |
| 05:51.18 | nosun | give sec |
| 05:51.39 | synx | I'm trying to find some software I can use to tag my images, like how it works on flickr, but just on my computer. Anyone use anything like that? |
| 05:51.46 | nosun | http://youtube.com/watch?v=UeLI2BLrD2Y |
| 05:51.51 | nosun | visual answer;) |
| 05:51.55 | eljefe | :) |
| 05:52.15 | Nyle | dune |
| 05:52.22 | Nyle | e |
| 05:52.27 | Nyle | where am i |
| 05:52.55 | eljefe | synx: digikam? |
| 05:52.55 | nosun | get it? |
| 05:53.12 | eljefe | i kinda get it; the fader is in your left hand. but what turntables?? |
| 05:53.20 | synx | Thought digikam was for tweaking photos. How does it tag them? |
| 05:53.23 | nosun | thats not my video |
| 05:53.23 | eljefe | or is it just a... invisible turntable? |
| 05:53.24 | iateadonut | is there a way to have a mysql partition and use it for your mysql on two operating systems? |
| 05:53.36 | nosun | but anyway the turntable will do what the mouse does |
| 05:53.37 | Nyle | is this #music? |
| 05:53.39 | Nyle | where am i |
| 05:53.44 | eljefe | lol |
| 05:53.51 | nosun | just more realistic |
| 05:53.59 | eljefe | which app is that? |
| 05:54.09 | eljefe | or, do you use? |
| 05:54.10 | iateadonut | for example, hda5 is mysql, hda3 - mandriva, hda4 - debian; both mandriva and debian have mysql and both mount the partition hda5 as their /usr/lib/mysql folder? |
| 05:54.12 | nosun | and a better job hopefully then noobs who tried to convert their turntables to do what I did:p |
| 05:54.24 | moshii | nosun: is the music coming off the decks or just using them as a scratch interface? |
| 05:54.25 | nosun | as my 2x turntables look pretty stock |
| 05:54.29 | nosun | but are far from it;) |
| 05:54.40 | nosun | the music comes from the computer |
| 05:54.43 | nosun | its a mp3 |
| 05:54.43 | Nyle | chech dj qbert |
| 05:54.45 | nosun | or whatever:p |
| 05:54.51 | Nyle | hw pwn0rz |
| 05:55.06 | eljefe | synx: look on the right side, the icons. click the fourth one down. |
| 05:55.25 | Nyle | he comes up with the most crazy rhythems |
| 05:55.36 | Nyle | no one can touch dj qbert in skratch |
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| 05:55.43 | nosun | heh |
| 05:55.47 | eljefe | nosun: what exactly is going on. is the mouse scratching, right? |
| 05:55.56 | nosun | yes |
| 05:55.57 | eljefe | with which app? |
| 05:56.03 | nosun | terminatorX |
| 05:56.04 | eljefe | the beat is the mp3 |
| 05:56.07 | nosun | its linux program |
| 05:56.08 | eljefe | aahh |
| 05:56.11 | eljefe | yeah i've seen it |
| 05:56.12 | synx | But suppose I don't know which images, just which tags? Does it scan every file searching for them? |
| 05:56.17 | nosun | both the scratch and the beat is mp3 |
| 05:56.25 | nosun | but the scratch is in realtime |
| 05:56.39 | nosun | aka done via mouse >>> software |
| 05:56.54 | eljefe | synx: you want a database of your images by tags? i don't know, but if digikam can read them, i think it can sort them... |
| 05:56.55 | Nyle | nuts. |
| 05:57.00 | nosun | Nyle, shouldn't be doing that;) |
| 05:57.09 | Nyle | well |
| 05:57.14 | Nyle | they itch |
| 05:57.35 | Nyle | what do you dpo when it itches |
| 05:57.37 | Nyle | you scratch |
| 05:57.48 | nosun | no I turntable;) |
| 05:57.49 | nosun | j's |
| 05:57.51 | nosun | jk's* |
| 05:58.11 | nosun | anyway goodnights |
| 05:58.24 | eljefe | synx: Tools menu > Advanced Search > click [add] a few times and make them 'tags' |
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| 05:59.06 | synx | maybe... |
| 05:59.22 | eljefe | do you have a lot of unsorted images? |
| 05:59.53 | eljefe | picasa runs on linux, try that? |
| 06:00.02 | eljefe | google knows how to search and sort |
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| 06:02.04 | nosun | jk's |
| 06:02.25 | eljefe | wow |
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| 06:02.41 | eljefe | scratch for peace :) |
| 06:03.17 | nosun | damn people making me itch |
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| 06:05.06 | nosun | I just scratched the crap out of qbert |
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| 06:06.23 | clinton | I so came here at the wrong time. wtf is nosun talking about |
| 06:07.57 | nosun | sorry cliton |
| 06:08.10 | nosun | clinton* |
| 06:08.32 | nosun | was a joke about previous comments |
| 06:08.41 | eldowan | I've got APT::Default-Release "testing"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf but aptitude seems to be pulling from sid more often than not. Am I doing something incorrectly? |
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| 06:13.42 | pschulz01 | Question about /etc/network/if-ip.d |
| 06:13.58 | NeoLobster | oh well... I guess I'll just write zeros to the two drives |
| 06:14.00 | NeoLobster | and hope for the best |
| 06:14.06 | pschulz01 | Do all of the scripts get called everytime an interface is broaght up? |
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| 06:16.37 | cafuego | nevyn: 1877ft |
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| 06:23.14 | yypanic | hello,everybody! |
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| 06:37.00 | NeoLobster | Okay - this is strange... a device that looks like a raid device is showing up |
| 06:37.01 | NeoLobster | Disk /dev/md126: 500.1 GB, 500107771904 bytes |
| 06:37.21 | NeoLobster | but that's not right |
| 06:37.58 | NeoLobster | Does anyone know which package includes mknod? |
| 06:38.01 | NeoLobster | mknode* |
| 06:38.12 | NeoLobster | oh |
| 06:38.15 | NeoLobster | never mind... I'm an idiot |
| 06:38.59 | yypanic | Are you talking to yourself? |
| 06:39.50 | NeoLobster | probably |
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| 06:45.02 | moshii | !enter |
| 06:45.02 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 06:45.05 | moshii | hehe |
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| 06:48.06 | Facedown | someone recommend a random program to download |
| 06:48.11 | Facedown | apt-get install ____ |
| 06:48.13 | Facedown | ? :p |
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| 06:48.33 | kgoetz | Facedown: iftop |
| 06:49.05 | moshii | trackballs |
| 06:49.35 | moshii | Is there a nice way of turning off an internal trackpad when a mouse it plugged in? |
| 06:50.12 | Nyle | !ntfwrw |
| 06:50.16 | Nyle | !ntfsrw |
| 06:50.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. not as stable as they claim. |
| 06:50.25 | Nyle | oh no no nono no no |
| 06:50.27 | Nyle | fuck |
| 06:50.38 | Facedown | what's the package for mysql |
| 06:50.40 | Facedown | mysql-server? |
| 06:50.45 | Nyle | sure |
| 06:50.57 | Nyle | really its mysql-server-5.0 |
| 06:51.00 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
| 06:51.08 | Nyle | but mysql-server is a meta |
| 06:51.10 | moshii | Facedown: 1) apt-cache search mysql 2) read with eyes 3) make choice with brain |
| 06:51.11 | Nyle | !info mysql-server |
| 06:51.12 | Penix | Facedown: apt-cache search |
| 06:51.15 | dpkg | mysql-server: (MySQL database server (meta package depending on the latest version)), section misc, is optional. Version: 5.0.51a-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 06:51.27 | Nyle | !ntfsro |
| 06:51.27 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 06:51.44 | Nyle | ok I have a question about this, why are we adding gid=24 in general |
| 06:51.55 | Facedown | moshii: damn, you sound like me when i talk about something i know a lot about (which unfortunately isnt linux) |
| 06:51.58 | Nyle | shouldn't the uid be the same as the gid of the user? |
| 06:52.13 | Nyle | like gid/uid both of the user specifically |
| 06:52.13 | moshii | Nyle: 24 is cdrom |
| 06:52.26 | Nyle | so why are we adding that ntfs ro? |
| 06:52.31 | Nyle | that to* |
| 06:52.53 | Nyle | why put it in the cdrom group access? |
| 06:53.15 | Nyle | I'm sorry I dont quite understand that part |
| 06:53.21 | moshii | Nyle: I think cdrom fits more of a external, non-system media role |
| 06:53.35 | moshii | Nyle: if you want a specific ntfs group you could add one |
| 06:53.44 | Nyle | I was just curious about the factoid |
| 06:54.05 | Penix | I don't think it meant you *have* to use 24 |
| 06:54.11 | Penix | your user might not be 1001 either |
| 06:54.38 | Penix | plugdev? |
| 06:54.53 | moshii | Penix: hal stuff |
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| 07:01.15 | Noboru | hi guys .how are you. |
| 07:05.11 | Noboru | it is very quiet here,weird. |
| 07:05.32 | SpeedyG | nah, thats not weird |
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| 07:08.36 | se7en | why can't i apt-get install k9copy |
| 07:08.52 | moshii | se7en: apt-cache serch k9copy |
| 07:09.09 | se7en | search doesn't find it moshii |
| 07:09.10 | moshii | se7en: maybe you need to add contrib, maybe non-fee |
| 07:09.19 | moshii | s/fee/free |
| 07:09.30 | se7en | i will try |
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| 07:13.37 | moshii | meh, synaptics stuff is broked |
| 07:13.45 | dust_t | I need to install libssh2-1 in debian version 4.0 but the package is available for sid, is it ok to install that ? |
| 07:13.53 | Penix | dust_t: no |
| 07:13.54 | moshii | dust_t: no |
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| 07:15.00 | dust_t | is there any alternative to doing that? if there is not i will just install from source. just want to avoid dependency issues. |
| 07:15.14 | Penix | neither openssh-server or -client seem to depend on this libssh package |
| 07:15.15 | moshii | dust_t: what are you installing? |
| 07:15.28 | Penix | oh. wait. didn't mention ssh specifcally |
| 07:15.31 | Penix | bleh |
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| 07:15.35 | dust_t | moshii, I need to install a perl module Net:SSH2 |
| 07:15.36 | moshii | dust_t: etch won't depend on stuff in sid or testing |
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| 07:15.46 | moshii | dust_t: that's coming from etch? |
| 07:16.36 | dust_t | moshii, trying to run a perl file which includes that module. When I use cpan to install that it says it needs libssh2.h |
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| 07:17.59 | Eagleray | dust_t: install libssh2-1-dev (that's the package name in lenny, etch should be similar) |
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| 07:18.35 | Eagleray | dust_t: it contains the C headers for dev work, which it sounds like your perl module needs |
| 07:19.16 | dust_t | Eagleray, when I am doing a apt-cache search for the same its not showing anything. |
| 07:19.48 | Eagleray | dust_t: try 'apt-cache search ssh dev' |
| 07:20.05 | Eagleray | dust_t: the correct package should be listed in the resultd |
| 07:20.13 | ganesh | how to add bootsplash with the image |
| 07:20.30 | dust_t | Eagleray, nothing could you share your source for that ? mabye i am missing that. |
| 07:20.40 | Eagleray | dust_t: if you hang on a few mins I can set up a debootstrap image to test with |
| 07:20.46 | ganesh | i crated livecd but im not able to add bootsplash with this |
| 07:21.00 | Eagleray | dust_t: I'll pastebin my sources for you, but note that I run lenny, not etch |
| 07:21.07 | dust_t | Eagleray, ok sure, |
| 07:21.23 | moshii | ganesh: have you install a splash image package like splashy |
| 07:21.31 | dust_t | Eagleray, is lenny a more latest version, sorry i am not up to speed with the nicknames. |
| 07:21.32 | moshii | ganesh: or bootsplash |
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| 07:22.49 | dust_t | I had installed this debian from the small cd 40 MB cd |
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| 07:23.07 | Eagleray | dust_t: lenny is the current 'testing' version |
| 07:23.13 | Eagleray | dust_t: http://pastebin.org/18672 |
| 07:23.42 | Eagleray | dust_t: note that I have my system pinned at lenny, the unstable (sid) and experimental repos don't get used most of the time |
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| 07:25.18 | Eagleray | dust_t: am building an etch filesystem now, if you'd like me to test your setup I should be able to in a few mins |
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| 07:25.55 | dust_t | Eagleray, please do, i will just wait for your response. thanks. |
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| 07:26.34 | Eagleray | dust_t: can you pastebin 'dpkg --get-selections' for me please? |
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| 07:27.02 | Aces1up | whats a good irc server i can run? |
| 07:27.10 | Aces1up | thats easily confiurable? |
| 07:27.53 | synx | Aces1up: They're all pretty easy, long as you don't mess with it too much. |
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| 07:28.49 | Aces1up | synx whats a popular one that i don't have to compile that has a debian package? |
| 07:28.51 | dust_t | Eagleray, http://pastebin.org/18673 |
| 07:28.56 | Eagleray | dust_t: cheers |
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| 07:29.22 | synx | Aces1up: apt-cache search ircd |
| 07:30.12 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:30.18 | Eagleray | dust_t: this is intended as a php/ruby production server? |
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| 07:32.21 | dust_t | Eagleray, no i serve web pages using this and running python/perl scripts |
| 07:33.11 | Eagleray | dust_t: then just out of curiosity, why do you have ruby libs installed? |
| 07:33.44 | dust_t | Eagleray, I installed metasploit framework 3.0, it was required for that. |
| 07:33.50 | Eagleray | dust_t: aah |
| 07:34.41 | dust_t | Eagleray, does it have too much stuff in it. I wanted to keep it light weight but sometimes while installing one package apt wants to install loads of other things. |
| 07:34.54 | dust_t | still learning my way around debian |
| 07:36.09 | Eagleray | dust_t: it doesn't look too bogged down, although there are a few things (w3m for example) that really don't need to be on a server box |
| 07:37.08 | dust_t | not there anymore :) |
| 07:37.49 | Eagleray | dust_t: I see what you mean about ssh dev stuff missing from etch - very weird (I have an etch chroot to play in now btw) |
| 07:37.58 | Eagleray | dust_t: which perl package were you trying to install? |
| 07:38.44 | dust_t | Eagleray, Net::SSH2 |
| 07:39.02 | dust_t | Eagleray, what is etch chroot ? |
| 07:39.09 | Eagleray | dust_t: cheers, I'll have a play and see if I can figure out what the problem is |
| 07:39.21 | Eagleray | dust_t: etch chroot = a chroot containing an etch filesystem |
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| 07:39.38 | dust_t | Eagleray, do you have a howto for that ? |
| 07:39.49 | Eagleray | dust_t: means I can play around in an etch system without needing to dedicate an entire VM to the job |
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| 07:40.05 | Eagleray | dust_t: I'll give you a two-liner now ;-) |
| 07:40.19 | dust_t | Eagleray, so which is your host OS / |
| 07:40.39 | Eagleray | dust_t: 'debootstrap etch /put/it/here http://yourdebianmirror.com/debian/' |
| 07:40.54 | Eagleray | dust_t: then 'chroot /put/it/here' |
| 07:40.59 | Eagleray | dust_t: that's all :-P |
| 07:41.15 | Eagleray | dust_t: my host OS is debian lenny with a few bits of sid and a custom 2.6.24 kernel |
| 07:41.17 | dust_t | wow now that is cool :) |
| 07:41.20 | Eagleray | dust_t: 64bit |
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| 07:42.27 | dust_t | Eagleray, i will do that on my laptop, as it is that is the only machine in my control i still need to switch from fedora. |
| 07:42.33 | Eagleray | dust_t: indeed it is cool.... those commands will install a minimal version of etch at that location, and give you a bash shell with that path as a root |
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| 07:42.47 | Eagleray | dust_t: which version of fedora? |
| 07:42.55 | dust_t | Eagleray, FC6 |
| 07:43.14 | dust_t | Eagleray, so that ssh stuff is missing in the etch which is the stable debian ? |
| 07:43.14 | Eagleray | dust_t: aah |
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| 07:43.35 | Eagleray | dust_t: otb it appears to be, I'm just trying to figure out where it's gone |
| 07:43.45 | Eagleray | dust_t: ssh sources should never be missing entirely |
| 07:44.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed my hp printer using hp-setup (and cups in a former try), but I can access to it just as root, why my user cannot access to my printer? does it need some privileges? |
| 07:44.59 | Eagleray | dust_t: sorry about the delay, me net connection is slow as hell and I'm not at work - so I don't have a local mirror handy |
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| 07:45.36 | dust_t | Eagleray, its ok, you have been more than helpful :) |
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| 07:46.08 | Eagleray | dust_t: can you give me a *very* brief overview of how you are trying to install this perl module of yours? |
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| 07:46.57 | dust_t | Eagleray, started cpan and typed install Net:SSH2 |
| 07:47.09 | dust_t | Eagleray, it quits with an error saying I need libssh2.h |
| 07:48.33 | dust_t | Eagleray, At first I tried searching for a package that might contain the perl module using apt-cache |
| 07:48.50 | Eagleray | dust_t: is there a reason you can't simply use 'apt-get install libnet-ssh-perl' ? |
| 07:50.06 | dust_t | Eagleray, that is already installed, it still needs the header file |
| 07:50.22 | \amethyst | apt-file search libssh2.h yields: libssh2-1-dev |
| 07:50.43 | Eagleray | \amethyst: for whatever reason that package isn't in the main etch repos |
| 07:51.07 | \amethyst | Eagleray: no, but it's in lenny and sid |
| 07:51.35 | Eagleray | dust_t: have you tried running your script? If that package is already installed, then why are you trying to install it again from cpan? |
| 07:51.55 | Eagleray | \amethyst: I know... I am running a lenny system |
| 07:51.58 | dust_t | Eagleray, the script can't find Net::SSH2 |
| 07:52.00 | \amethyst | Eagleray: you should be able to do a backport from source |
| 07:52.33 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 07:52.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 07:52.45 | Eagleray | \amethyst: yup, but shouldn't the ssh sources be available in etch anyway? I find it hard to believe that the headers would be missing for such a mature library |
| 07:52.57 | \amethyst | Eagleray: note the "2" |
| 07:53.05 | \amethyst | Eagleray: this is a different, newer, ssh library |
| 07:53.08 | Eagleray | \amethyst: good point... |
| 07:53.13 | Eagleray | \amethyst: I missed that |
| 07:53.18 | dust_t | when i run the script i get this Can't locate Net/SSH2.pm in @INC |
| 07:53.34 | jelly-ho | !info libnet-ssh2-perl |
| 07:54.16 | \amethyst | Eagleray: hmm... actually, it might just be that it wasn't separately packaged until now |
| 07:54.23 | jelly-ho | "does not exist". Use dh-make-perl to build a package from CPAN |
| 07:54.42 | Eagleray | jelly-ho: better to build from the debian sources though |
| 07:54.56 | Eagleray | jelly-ho: the debian versions often have distro-specific tweaks |
| 07:54.56 | jelly-ho | if there are any, sure |
| 07:55.02 | \amethyst | jelly-ho: that's not going to help until he gets the non-perl build-dependencies, though |
| 07:55.05 | dust_t | ok i am not following anything now |
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| 07:55.35 | Eagleray | dust_t: follow \amethyst's steps to backport it to etch, if not already backported |
| 07:55.40 | \amethyst | doh |
| 07:55.49 | Eagleray | dust_t: if you hang on a sec I'll see if it's in the main backport repo first though |
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| 07:57.13 | the_sniff | how frequently, if at all, do you guys update a production box (for security updates etc) |
| 07:57.34 | Eagleray | the_sniff: nightly |
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| 07:57.50 | Eagleray | the_sniff: but I don't exactly need guaranteed stability on mine ;-) |
| 07:58.00 | the_sniff | i'm on stable |
| 07:58.11 | the_sniff | you do it with a cron? |
| 07:58.16 | the_sniff | and just apt-get upgrade? |
| 07:58.30 | jelly-ho | the_sniff: after a hypothetical testing of new packages on a replicated setup. never automatically. |
| 07:58.52 | Eagleray | the_sniff: I do it manually, not cron, as I tend to mess with the box a lot |
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| 07:59.01 | the_sniff | oh |
| 07:59.04 | Eagleray | the_sniff: cronjob updates can be dangerous |
| 07:59.19 | the_sniff | jelly-ho: wouldn't that like duplicate everything? (times and boxes) |
| 07:59.26 | the_sniff | i've got like 6 production boxes |
| 07:59.46 | the_sniff | Eagleray: i was just wondering cause you said nightly, sounded like a nigthly build :p |
| 08:00.10 | Eagleray | the_sniff: nah, just something I do in the evenings when I'm messing with other stuff |
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| 08:01.21 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed my hp printer using hp-setup (and cups in a former try), but I can access to it just as root, why my user cannot access to my printer? does it need some privileges? |
| 08:02.57 | cahoot | access in what way - simply print? |
| 08:03.13 | Eagleray | \amethyst: libnet-ssh2-perl doesn't even appear to exist in sid, are you sure it's not simply integrated in another package? |
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| 08:03.33 | the_sniff | jelly-ho, Eagleray: so you guy'd just check if there are no new exploits etc? |
| 08:03.37 | Eagleray | \amethyst: libnet-ssh-perl is the closest I can find |
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| 08:06.11 | jmut | hi. I miss my phpize on debian. And I need it to install xdebug. how can I do it. Or should I install whole php from scratch compiling? |
| 08:06.36 | aarcane | hello, I'm looking to migrate away from openwrt for my router and onto a debian based router. is it better to use debian 4.0, or to go with some third party debian based router specific distro ? if tge second is better, which of the many available ? |
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| 08:07.14 | Eagleray | aarcane: why are you looking for something specifically debian-based? |
| 08:07.42 | aarcane | Eagleray, every system in the house is debian etch or windows right now, except 1. |
| 08:07.54 | aarcane | Eagleray, I'd prefer to only have one basic administrative system to use. |
| 08:08.23 | Eagleray | aarcane: aah - if it's a home router, try having a look at http://m0n0.ch/wall/ or http://pfsense.com/ (I prefer the latter) |
| 08:08.32 | moshii | aarcane: it's all going to be iptables whatever you do |
| 08:08.39 | Eagleray | aarcane: both are damn good, and the firewall is faster than the current linux equivalent |
| 08:08.57 | Eagleray | moshii: it's not iptables when the OS is based on BSD UNIX.... |
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| 08:09.32 | moshii | Eagleray: BSD UNIX.. WTF is BSD UNIX |
| 08:09.48 | simonrvn | !bsd |
| 08:09.48 | dpkg | methinks bsd is read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people |
| 08:10.22 | moshii | yar, it's bsd, unix is at&t's stuff |
| 08:10.32 | Eagleray | moshii: m0n0wall & pfsense are both based on freebsd |
| 08:10.34 | the_sniff | bsd is based off unix |
| 08:10.46 | Eagleray | the_sniff: bsd *is* unix, up to a point |
| 08:10.59 | dimir | :-D |
| 08:11.04 | moshii | and all the bsd's are exactly the same now? |
| 08:11.05 | Eagleray | the_sniff: it's just berkley's flavour of it |
| 08:11.11 | Eagleray | moshii: no, but they're similar |
| 08:11.40 | Eagleray | moshii: bsd is slightly offtopic for a debian channel though ;-) |
| 08:11.41 | moshii | rhetorical question. |
| 08:12.01 | the_sniff | meh |
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| 08:12.14 | aarcane | I'd like to remind that I'm looking for something debian based? not bsd based.. o,.,0 |
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| 08:12.18 | the_sniff | its like saying freebsd isn't bsd since it's not the same as the original bsd |
| 08:12.21 | Eagleray | the_sniff: haha I got yelled at last time I deviated from the topic in here |
| 08:12.23 | moshii | aarcane: anyhow, debian will be fine for a router, if you have enough space to install it |
| 08:12.49 | moshii | aarcane: if your router uses flash storage and only has 32MB of it you'll have a problem |
| 08:12.50 | the_sniff | Eagleray: it's IRC, yelling don't mean anyything :p |
| 08:12.58 | gonzaloaf | hello, I just have deleted the panel located in the top of the screen by error, is there any chance to recover it? I use gnome |
| 08:13.00 | Eagleray | the_sniff: :-P |
| 08:13.53 | aarcane | moshii, I'll be replacing all the functionality of a wrt54gl running openwrt with a single x86 machine with 2-3 nics, except for wifi access, which is sadly, stuck on the embedded machine. but the 2.4 kernel isn't sufficient for my routing needs right now. |
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| 08:14.30 | Eagleray | moshii: pfsense will do it all, and gove you a nice web interface for it too |
| 08:14.44 | Eagleray | aarcane: ^ that was for you sorry |
| 08:14.45 | moshii | aarcane: the wrt will run debian over the top of wrt if you have nfs, but it's slow. |
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| 08:15.20 | moshii | aarcane: the x86 machine will be fine. there are a selection of different iptables scripts in debian to make life easy :) |
| 08:16.00 | moshii | Eagleray: he wants a debian based solution by the sounds of it |
| 08:16.21 | Eagleray | moshii: yeah... I'll just shut up with my spamming ;-) |
| 08:16.24 | moshii | Eagleray: if he wanted a fast firewall he would just run netbsd or openbsd.. but that is beside the point |
| 08:17.31 | Eagleray | moshii: only problem is, most of the common firewall distros seem to be based on CENTOS/RHEL |
| 08:17.53 | moshii | Eagleray: you don't need a firewall distro |
| 08:18.05 | moshii | Eagleray: debian + firehol is enough for anyone |
| 08:18.22 | Eagleray | moshii: I know.... but it certainly makes life simpler |
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| 08:18.49 | moshii | trusting someone elses badly made php interface for security == bad idea.com |
| 08:19.21 | Eagleray | moshii: not to mention that many people alto want things like VPN termination, NAT reflection, etc etc |
| 08:19.25 | harpal | Hey I am using game messenger and in that my yahoo account I have some msn account but I cant see it in gaim why? |
| 08:19.25 | Eagleray | *also |
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| 08:19.48 | moshii | Eagleray: if you can do it with some firewall distro you can do it in debian |
| 08:20.20 | Eagleray | moshii: lol I'm not debating that, I'm just saying the firewall distro has it out of the box, and usually with a nice webpanel for new users |
| 08:20.35 | Eagleray | moshii: personally I hate them, but you've gotta admit they fill a niche |
| 08:20.54 | moshii | if he's using openwrt, he doesn't or shouldn't need a broekn web interface |
| 08:21.02 | Eagleray | moshii: true |
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| 08:23.27 | Eagleray | aarcane: answering your original question, you're probably better off sticking with pure debian if you have the skill to do so, as I cna't find much in the way of debian-based firewall distros with a large user base |
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| 08:25.54 | aarcane | Eagleray, I'm pretty sure I can handle the setup of the pure debian, I've got a working system to model it after, and a plethora of guides on google to follow if I get stuck. |
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| 08:26.12 | Eagleray | aarcane: wonderful :-D |
| 08:26.39 | moshii | aarcane: using debian + firehol for a big setup here, no problems so far :) |
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| 08:30.15 | aarcane | alright, thanks Eagleray, moshii. everyone else as well :) |
| 08:30.23 | Eagleray | dust_t: did backporting that package from lenny or sid solve your problem? |
| 08:31.28 | aarcane | exit |
| 08:31.30 | aarcane | bah |
| 08:31.40 | aarcane | bad not-a-terminal. *smacks xchat* |
| 08:32.04 | Eagleray | aarcane: 'apt-get remove --purge xchat && apt-get install irssi' :-P |
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| 08:32.48 | aarcane | Eagleray, I've used irssi, but for some reason I've never been fond of it :-S |
| 08:33.20 | sChaa | hola |
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| 08:33.40 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.04 | moshii | ^shark_: package version, it's inthe los |
| 08:35.29 | moshii | ^shark_: logs |
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| 08:35.55 | ^shark_ | moshii: thanks |
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| 08:38.35 | robboplus | hm i can't figure out for size syntax in ls command... |
| 08:38.48 | robboplus | ls -s=M / --size=M ? |
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| 08:39.03 | robboplus | i tried in many ways and no luck, am i THIS dumb? |
| 08:39.13 | Eagleray | robboplus: ls -lh |
| 08:39.19 | robboplus | Eagleray hm |
| 08:39.55 | robboplus | thank you very much! |
| 08:40.09 | Eagleray | robboplus: the -h is what does it - means "please use human-readable units" |
| 08:40.13 | Eagleray | robboplus: no worries |
| 08:41.49 | robboplus | indeed that makes alot of sense |
| 08:42.09 | robboplus | still in help it says to use --size and then there is this example at the end: M, G, T, etc. |
| 08:42.34 | robboplus | i was wondering how to make use of that but -lh seems to do exactly what i wanted and is much easier :) |
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| 08:45.46 | faxathisia | Hi, Has anyone got debian to work on a mac pro? I'm just wondering whether or not it's actually possible because I've had bad suck |
| 08:45.52 | faxathisia | bad luck* |
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| 08:49.06 | moshii | faxathisia: working fine on a macbook here, should work fine on any mactel now |
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| 08:50.33 | faxathisia | ok, that's reassuring.. do you mind me asking is it a good idea to use debian-40r2-amd64-netinst-1.iso? (I've tried that and a couple others with no success) |
| 08:50.50 | faxathisia | oops, debian-40r2-amd64-netinst.iso sorry |
| 08:51.48 | moshii | faxathisia: yeah, that should work, getting amd64 to boot can be a pain in the arse |
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| 08:52.21 | moshii | faxathisia: I suggest you get refit etc done before you start.. actually are you going 100% debian on the machine? |
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| 08:52.54 | faxathisia | I'd be fine to erase everything if that got debian to work, I don't really have a preference |
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| 08:53.22 | moshii | faxathisia: running just debian is different to running debian + osx, that's why I ask |
| 08:53.23 | faxathisia | I've got and installed refit.. not sure if there was something I should have done with it that I didn't |
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| 08:56.25 | moshii | faxathisia: This is how I installed, bought macbook, loaded it up, stuck in the osx update, did the firmware updates, installed refit, used bootcamp to resize the os partition, create a "dummy" partition to contain debian in an lvm (gpt + mbr syncing thing is less of a pain in the arse as the mbr partition table never changes with lvm), installed debian |
| 08:59.19 | harpal | Hey I want to login in google talk, so anyone tells me what should I use? |
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| 09:00.05 | moshii | harpal: jabber iirc |
| 09:00.45 | harpal | moshii: means which packet I should use? |
| 09:01.00 | cast | gajim is good |
| 09:01.10 | moshii | harpal: apt-cache search jabber, take your pick |
| 09:01.12 | harpal | cast: I have gaim installed |
| 09:01.12 | cast | i'd get the latest version, though |
| 09:01.22 | cast | gaim is a pretty shit jabber client |
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| 09:03.02 | dust_t | Eagleray, I got the deb, now cpan is saying that it can't make the packages. Trying to figure that out now |
| 09:03.55 | harpal | moshii: I have installed jabber now? it says that jabbered is running |
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| 09:05.14 | moshii | harpal: you've installed a jabber *server* |
| 09:05.24 | moshii | harpal: you need a *client* |
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| 09:08.34 | XoX | does anyone know if debian supports setting up vlan interface before the system start init ? or in initrd |
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| 09:09.08 | harpal | moshii: Which client I should installl |
| 09:09.23 | moshii | XoX: you need userland tools for most vpn stuff.. |
| 09:09.40 | XoX | vconfig |
| 09:09.43 | moshii | harpal: which ever one you want to use |
| 09:09.57 | XoX | question if kernel has support for this internally |
| 09:10.01 | cast | gajim, psi, seem to be the two best clients |
| 09:10.02 | XoX | it does for dhcp .. |
| 09:10.11 | harpal | moshii: ok |
| 09:10.50 | pfote | i have a very strange effekt here, after each reboot the kwallet service seems corrupted, when i try to start a service that uses kwallet i'm asked for a passwd, then "kded" goes 100%cpu. to recover, i have to remove kde temp stuff and run kbuildsycoca (took me a while to figure) .. but it starts annoying me because it happens after each reboot. ever heard of such a effect? |
| 09:11.03 | moshii | XoX: you'll need include those tihngs into the initrd/initramfs |
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| 09:11.51 | XoX | moshii: and create my own script? |
| 09:12.17 | moshii | XoX: unless it's support in the current initramfs builder, yes |
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| 09:12.46 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed java jre with the debian way, then made the link ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.6-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ , but I cant see well web pages that use jave, any clue? |
| 09:13.00 | moshii | XoX: I didn't think the initramfs brought network interfaces up though,... don't know how you'd work it |
| 09:13.02 | harpal | moshii: Thanks its working. |
| 09:13.35 | harpal | Hey whats should I need to work msn? I have some msn ids but gain is not displaying that |
| 09:14.10 | nepbabu | !pidgin | harpal |
| 09:14.52 | nepbabu | pff |
| 09:15.12 | harpal | so I have to install pidgin and than use that? Is there any debian package of pidgin? |
| 09:15.23 | anarmst | Hello, I am having a problem with sound. I have an Intel HDA (Conexant CX20549 (Venice)). It worked perfectly for about a month, and now has stopped working. When I attempt to play sound, I don't get any error messages, everything appears to work, but no music comes out. I tried restarting the computer to make sure that there wasn't a program that was hogging the sound card. |
| 09:15.26 | gonzaloaf | harpal, yes |
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| 09:21.42 | dust_t | Eagleray, its working fine now, thank you for all your help. |
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| 09:25.55 | faxathisia | I tried to boot into all the debian discs I burned using rEFIt, just still got a blank screen though |
| 09:26.07 | gonzaloaf | hi how to enable java jre for iceweasel? |
| 09:26.11 | faxathisia | I don't know if there's anything else I should try? |
| 09:26.34 | cast | faxathisia: any livecd that works and debootstrap |
| 09:26.47 | pfote | no one a clue? |
| 09:27.17 | wols | !install java |
| 09:27.17 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. If you are running amd64 then you'll need a 32bit chroot and browser for the java plugin. |
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| 09:28.31 | wols | pfote: best ask a kde channel me thinks |
| 09:28.54 | DrNach | what can one do so that /usr/lib gets syslinks of lib.so to lib.so.6 or whatever for everything? Since I notice some libraries are missing the default symlinks |
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| 09:29.03 | pfote | wols: yeah, maybe thats a good idea |
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| 09:29.09 | mephux | fsck.ext3: unable to set superblock |
| 09:29.14 | mephux | anyone know what that means? |
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| 09:30.26 | moshii | mephux: it means it was unable to set the superblock I guess ;) |
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| 09:31.00 | DrNach | or let me rephrase, anyone know if there's a program or something to run to setup the symlinks in /usr/lib so lib.so goes to lib.so.6 and the like? |
| 09:31.14 | mephux | moshii: have you ever come across and issue where every command results in Input/output error |
| 09:31.23 | Internat | ur hdd is fub ar |
| 09:31.32 | Internat | or unmounted |
| 09:31.35 | Internat | either or |
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| 09:31.38 | mephux | thats what i thought |
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| 09:31.56 | moshii | mephux: what he said. |
| 09:31.57 | mephux | because ls works and and grep and ps |
| 09:32.02 | mephux | but nothing else |
| 09:32.18 | moshii | mephux: shell builtins? |
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| 09:32.33 | mephux | everything in /usr/sbin/ does not function... |
| 09:32.38 | possie | hey, is there a way to kill a NFS mount, since it's hanging up my servers |
| 09:32.39 | mephux | shell builitins? |
| 09:33.00 | moshii | mephux: check dmesg, if you have a pata drive try trying off dma, stuff like that |
| 09:33.14 | mephux | ok |
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| 09:34.46 | mephux | Buffer I/O error on device dm-0, logical block 1 |
| 09:34.46 | mephux | lost page write due to I/O error on dm-0 |
| 09:34.57 | mephux | alot of that in dmesg |
| 09:35.03 | pif | hi, where is the default system page size defined? (A4 vs. letter) |
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| 09:38.27 | garaguas | ~time |
| 09:38.28 | apt | i heard time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2008.02.08 9:38:28 GMT |
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| 09:39.27 | cahoot | pif: try man papersize |
| 09:39.46 | pif | ok |
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| 09:44.31 | garaguas | how can i ask to bot for "time"? |
| 09:44.46 | mephux | !time |
| 09:44.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2008.02.08 9:44:46, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 09:45.30 | liable | cracking idea! /me pours a beer |
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| 09:46.27 | garaguas | thks mephux, but there is a way to obtain an explanation about how to set the time in your PC |
| 09:46.54 | possie | man NFS really sucks |
| 09:46.59 | liable | !set the time |
| 09:47.24 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 09:50.16 | jmut | what is recommended way to remove a package? is apt-get remove enough? or dpkg purge and all is betteR? |
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| 09:51.12 | wols | jmut: depends what you want to do |
| 09:51.23 | cast | kinda suggested to use aptitude instead of apt-get fwiw |
| 09:51.42 | gonzaloaf | hello, which is the iceweasel plugins directory? |
| 09:51.43 | jmut | wols: knew it :) |
| 09:52.20 | wols | run about:plugins, check what you have and search for it |
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| 09:52.33 | salvin2 | gonzaloaf, ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 09:52.34 | jmut | cast: any reason for this? apt-get getting obsolete? |
| 09:52.50 | cast | /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 09:53.12 | gonzaloaf | wols, there are many places... /usr/lib/mozilla-plugins, /usr/lib/iceweasel-plugins, /usr/lib/iceweasel...... etc etc |
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| 09:53.21 | gonzaloaf | I dont know who did that |
| 09:53.40 | gonzaloaf | it was more simple when was /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 09:53.48 | wols | history did it |
| 09:53.57 | gonzaloaf | very bad |
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| 09:54.43 | gonzaloaf | I cannot use the jre6 update 3, because I dont know where to put the symlink |
| 09:54.58 | salvin2 | cast, imho apt-get is more safe |
| 09:55.55 | jelly | cast: apt-get --purge remove > aptitude purge |
| 09:56.09 | salvin | jelly, no |
| 09:56.33 | salvin | apt-get purge exists |
| 09:56.34 | jelly | salvin: ? |
| 09:56.44 | jelly | salvin: since? |
| 09:56.58 | salvin | i dunno |
| 09:57.10 | gonzaloaf | where can I find iceweasel mantainers or developers? |
| 09:58.06 | sep | apt-cache show iceweasel | grep Maintainer |
| 09:58.32 | petemc | gonzaloaf: the bug tracking system is the normal way of contacting maintainers |
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| 09:59.28 | gonzaloaf | petemc, Ok I've never reported I bug, but I'm doing it right now |
| 10:02.22 | neonoe | to adapt network connection, i 'd like to know what do you use (something like whereami, ping-places.sh (but pb with wlan)?)? |
| 10:03.13 | neonoe | i am trying whereami in fact but i does not seem to work at boot |
| 10:03.33 | neonoe | need to change /etc/network/interfaces ... |
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| 10:06.03 | salvin | cast, if want i remove a package without its dependencies with aptitude? |
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| 10:09.01 | wols | salvin: cannot do it |
| 10:09.37 | wols | neonoe: then do it? |
| 10:10.42 | wols | salvin: or rahter it makes no sense |
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| 10:19.12 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, I have a Debian file server which currently doesnt have any swap space. I have a 2GB flash drive and a RAID5 array consisting of 5 7200rpm drives. Do you recomend creating swap on my flash drive? |
| 10:20.03 | fengor | no |
| 10:20.11 | quitte_ | no. put it on the raid5 |
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| 10:20.25 | fengor | because if you need swap space chacnes are there will be writing to it fairly often |
| 10:20.33 | fengor | and flash doesnt take kindly to writing |
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| 10:21.28 | quitte | otoh having a little swap is nice because the kernel can free some ram for buffers and cache. |
| 10:21.42 | YouBucky | fengor/quitte: Thanks, the RAID5 is already one large ext3 set using mdadm, can I use mkswap to take some swap space or how do I handle creating swap after the fact? |
| 10:21.55 | quitte | so maybe just using a sall swapfile would work? |
| 10:22.15 | sep | YouBucky, you can allways use a swapfile on your ext3 fs, |
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| 10:23.24 | YouBucky | sep: using mkswap: Issue is my box only has 1GB of RAM and i'm asking a lot from it at the moment which is resulting in all my RAM being gobbled up |
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| 10:23.39 | fengor | buy more ram? |
| 10:23.42 | fengor | its cheap these days |
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| 10:24.12 | YouBucky | fengor: The box is a appliance I've modified. It may take a 2GB stick but that needs to be tested |
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| 10:24.37 | fengor | ... |
| 10:24.40 | mib_73n18tro | DCC SEND "KEYLOGGER" 0 0 0 |
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| 10:24.58 | fengor | do NOT use flash devices for ram... |
| 10:25.02 | YouBucky | fengor: RAM really is crazy cheap, I bought 8GB of DDR2 800 for 200 bucks |
| 10:25.19 | ShredZ | I'm trying to install drbd0.7 on sarge, but I get this error when compiling the module: IPPROTO_TCP undeclared. I have the kernel headers in place. How do I fix it ? |
| 10:25.35 | YouBucky | fengor: Alright, how do I carve out some swap from my existing RAID5 array? |
| 10:25.44 | fengor | use a swap file |
| 10:26.46 | quitte | YouBucky: create a file of the size you want and then pretend it was a device. |
| 10:27.23 | YouBucky | quitte: Thanks just reading about the process now. Google is also my friend :) |
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| 10:38.40 | ShredZ | module-assistant seems to assume my source package should be kernel-headers-2.6.18-4, when in fact it's called linux-headers-<version>-bigmem |
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| 10:39.19 | liable | can you paste its log? |
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| 10:39.42 | ShredZ | liable, what log is that ? |
| 10:40.13 | liable | ShredZ: m-a keeps a log, its in /var somewhere, my memory fails where exactly |
| 10:42.29 | jmut | well someone said aptitude has better search, why it returns less results from apt-cache after update on both ? |
| 10:42.52 | cast | try aptitude search ~dSTRING |
| 10:43.15 | jmut | better |
| 10:43.16 | jmut | :) |
| 10:43.43 | possie | is there away to kill a mount ? |
| 10:43.45 | possie | without rebooting |
| 10:43.50 | possie | i need my nfs mount to be killed |
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| 10:46.12 | Peanut | Hi - I have a Debian Etch server, which has UTF-8 locales by default. When I ssh into it from a Suse 10.1 box, things like manpages look a bit mangled (e.g. things in 'bold'). What would be the proper way to fix this? |
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| 10:46.29 | jmut | cast: is it possible to search for specific binary I am looking for ? as I don't know in which package might be |
| 10:46.51 | cast | apt-file bin/hax |
| 10:46.53 | cast | erm |
| 10:46.58 | cast | apt-file search bin/hax |
| 10:47.38 | jmut | checking. thanks |
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| 10:48.24 | ShredZ | liable, installed a backport for module-assistant and now it seems to behave |
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| 10:48.42 | se7en | is there a way to edit pdf and what software would i need for that |
| 10:49.30 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed my hp printer using hp-setup (and cups in a former try), but I can access to it just as root, why my user cannot access to my printer? does it need some privileges? |
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| 10:49.41 | vcm_48 | hello anybody |
| 10:50.10 | vcm_48 | can help me about squid setting in Debian Etch? |
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| 10:52.15 | ShredZ | liable, seems I was wrong about it behaving, and I just can't find that log file |
| 10:52.17 | liable | ShredZ: ok |
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| 10:52.42 | ShredZ | m-a prepare installs the linux headers for the running kernel, then it starts complaining about not having any linux-headers :/ |
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| 10:53.41 | incorrect | if i was to run up a game server, would i want to go for a preemptible kernel? |
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| 10:54.20 | liable | ShredZ: /var/cache/modass |
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| 10:56.57 | ShredZ | liable, I looked there, but there's no log there |
| 10:57.24 | ShredZ | funny thing is that m-a prepare gets everything right, but actually building the module complains about target kernel |
| 10:58.08 | liable | ShredZ: unpack the source (should be in /usr/src) and try a make in that directory |
| 10:58.40 | ShredZ | liable, it complains about stuff like IPPROTO_TCP undefined, devfs function here and there and bails out |
| 10:58.40 | incorrect | excuse me for being dumb, but i am trying to find out what the kernel option High Resolution Timer Supper does |
| 10:59.13 | neonoe | wols: yes but i have to do it whith mapping or configuring whereami. But this start too late at boot stage... then i wanted to know if you used this soft. |
| 10:59.15 | liable | ShredZ: what are you building? sounds like its a very old unmaintained package |
| 10:59.38 | ShredZ | drbd0.7 |
| 10:59.44 | liable | ShredZ: are you still running sarge or something? |
| 10:59.51 | ShredZ | liable, yes |
| 11:00.18 | liable | well, no wonder, as you have an etch kernel |
| 11:01.06 | liable | ShredZ: kernels went from kernel-image to linux-image in etch |
| 11:01.26 | ShredZ | so how did they make it into the sarge repo's ? |
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| 11:01.54 | liable | ShredZ: you are running sarge with an etch kernel |
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| 11:03.09 | vcm_48 | hey hey hey |
| 11:03.10 | vcm_48 | help me |
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| 11:04.50 | SlayerXP | !help vcm_48 |
| 11:05.57 | ShredZ | liable, seems like there's some other stuff from etch that made it into sarge repo's, installing a kernel-image gives kernel panic on /dev/console |
| 11:06.17 | vcm_48 | !help |
| 11:06.24 | wols | ShredZ: you are mistaken |
| 11:06.35 | wols | you installed stuff from etch on your own. |
| 11:06.41 | liable | ShredZ: um, you should not have a 2.6.18 kernel if you are running sarge. you have installed that, not the sarge repos |
| 11:06.48 | wols | !tell vcm_48 about ask |
| 11:07.05 | wols | ShredZ: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 11:07.30 | liable | ShredZ: why havent you upgraded to etch anyway? |
| 11:07.40 | liable | ShredZ: save us all the trouble and do that |
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| 11:08.21 | ShredZ | liable, you're gonna have a laugh over this, since I agree with you all, but apparently some people in my company are against upgrades :) |
| 11:08.46 | wols | a) you already did an upgrade. a shitty one |
| 11:08.52 | wols | b) sarge will be EOL in april |
| 11:09.17 | ShredZ | wols, still, my sources.list only contains sarge references |
| 11:09.26 | liable | ShredZ: its your job to tell them that they need to pull their heads out of their asses |
| 11:09.48 | wols | ShredZ: that doesn't change fact a) or b) |
| 11:10.15 | ShredZ | well I didn't do the install on this server and I'm on my way to tell em about b :) |
| 11:10.24 | ShredZ | lol |
| 11:10.47 | erik2 | IS THERE A RELIABLE PASSWORD 'VAULT' PROGRAM AVAILBALE( sorry i yelled) |
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| 11:10.55 | wols | liable: blind chicken finding some corn and such :) |
| 11:10.59 | liable | ShredZ: we dont care who did the install, your obviously admin of it now, so tell them what needs to be done |
| 11:11.25 | liable | erik2: why yell, and then apologise? |
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| 11:11.38 | erik2 | line was too long to erase and start over |
| 11:11.40 | sep | erik2, you noticed you wrote in caps, and could comment on it but didn't bother to fix it ? |
| 11:11.59 | gordonjcp | yay, it's September! |
| 11:12.23 | wols | gordonjcp: we call it the long sunday here. aka permasunday |
| 11:12.32 | liable | what the fuck is a password vault anyway? |
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| 11:12.37 | gordonjcp | wols: lol |
| 11:12.44 | wols | a program that remembers passwords for you |
| 11:12.52 | wols | gnome and kde users need it |
| 11:13.06 | cast | erik2: man gpg |
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| 11:14.00 | liable | ohnos |
| 11:14.46 | erik2 | liable: please keep this channel clean and your fuse long. |
| 11:15.11 | liable | erik2: amongst other things, my fuse is very long |
| 11:15.30 | liable | erik2: please dont impose your ideals on the channel |
| 11:15.50 | erik2 | that was the reason for my 'please' |
| 11:16.27 | liable | erik2: we are grown ups here, if you dont like the swearing, then you might like #ubuntu |
| 11:16.44 | gordonjcp | that's one of the reasons I *don't* like ubuntu |
| 11:16.49 | gordonjcp | fuck them and their noise |
| 11:16.57 | gordonjcp | s/ubuntu/#ubuntu/ |
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| 11:18.00 | cast | and i can't fucking say fuck in fucking ubuntu land! i mean fuck me |
| 11:18.00 | jaalto | liable: One of the things from which you recognize a grown up is the tone of language |
| 11:19.06 | gordonjcp | erik2 left |
| 11:19.07 | liable | jaalto: I am not sure of the meaning of your comment. are you judging me from one line of irc chat? |
| 11:19.19 | gordonjcp | I don't think we made him feel welcome |
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| 11:19.41 | cobar | is there a program to automatically configure xorg? |
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| 11:20.10 | theatro | hi |
| 11:20.11 | liable | the point being is that we didnt make him feal *unwelcome* if he doesn't like the tone, then its his choice (as he did) to leave |
| 11:20.34 | jaalto | And you talk like that to your family? |
| 11:20.51 | cast | my mum tells me to stfu :\ |
| 11:20.57 | liable | here we go... |
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| 11:21.31 | jaalto | Trying a little courtesy never is a bad decision |
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| 11:21.50 | liable | jaalto: you can start your own non-swearing #debian channel if you like. there was no malice in my comment, so i fail to see why you make a big deal of it. |
| 11:22.26 | jaalto | I don't see a reason to defend bad manners, no matter where |
| 11:22.41 | gordonjcp | I think drivelling on about someone's choice of words is bad manners |
| 11:23.09 | liable | jaalto: lets just drop it, this conversation will go nowhere |
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| 11:23.34 | jaalto | Exactly: you choose to treat someone with words |
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| 11:24.22 | liable | jaalto: i suggest you actually reread my comment. it wasnt directed at anyone, get off your high horse and go preach elsewhere |
| 11:24.44 | gordonjcp | indeed |
| 11:24.48 | jaalto | What on earth makes you go red? |
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| 11:25.54 | gordonjcp | and for those whining morons who trot out "Swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary", I would just like to point out that I have an extensive vocabulary, which I choose to augment with some aphoristic epithets |
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| 11:27.58 | wols | now you did it and made penix leave. all beacuse of your PC idiocy. sheesh |
| 11:28.06 | wols | morons |
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| 11:28.38 | liable | PC has made many people leave this channel |
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| 11:29.21 | Slap_stick | hey, i'm a bit confused with the sudoers file, if i wanted a group to be able to have all normal commands as their own user but to be able to su to another user with no password, how would i do it at the moment i've done %dba ALL = /bin/su - user NOPASSWD: ALL is that correct? |
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| 11:30.30 | [deXter] | Which is newer? Etch? Lenny? something else? |
| 11:30.53 | wols | !lenny |
| 11:30.54 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> Remember to add a entry for lenny/updates to your sources list, ask me about <testing security> |
| 11:30.55 | fengor | [deXter]: did you read the topic? |
| 11:31.07 | [deXter] | well, duh, I didn't |
| 11:31.11 | [deXter] | thanks :) |
| 11:32.04 | [deXter] | what's the command to create a ramdisk? |
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| 11:33.26 | wols | !ramdisk |
| 11:33.26 | dpkg | well, ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
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| 11:34.07 | [deXter] | ty |
| 11:34.30 | ling_ | Hi, I'd like to install from a netinst-image to my laptop. The installer doesn't seem to include wlan-drivers and tries to go online via ethernet which is not possible. So what now? |
| 11:34.46 | bolt | I have a laptop with an intel i830 graphics card (i810 driver) and having problems with DPI not taking effect at all (yes, i've tried all possible methods of setting it, and xdpyinfo sometimes shows the change but there is none). i thought i'd try backporting SID's version of the driver, but when I do "apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-i810" i just get "build-dependencies for xserver-xorg-video-i810 could not be satisfied". Help? |
| 11:34.49 | salvin2 | what create the default virtual interface of madwifi(athX) on boot? |
| 11:35.19 | liable | ling_: whats your wireless card? |
| 11:35.41 | ling_ | intel bg2200 |
| 11:35.51 | liable | salvin2: the module creates, it, you can give it the noautocreate option at load and it wont create an interface |
| 11:36.18 | ling_ | I could connect the laptop directly to the modem and go online via pppoe but that doesnt seem to be supported either. |
| 11:36.51 | liable | ling_: hrm, i thought the installer supported ppoe |
| 11:37.14 | salvin2 | liable, i want create it with nosbeacon option |
| 11:37.19 | wols | salvin2: the madwifi drivers |
| 11:37.21 | wols | !ipw2200 |
| 11:37.21 | dpkg | You need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. If you have a kernel earlier than 2.6.15, ask about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting>. |
| 11:37.35 | wols | liable: it does |
| 11:37.55 | liable | ling_: either way, you can install base without net, then you need to get the 2200 firmware and wireless-tools and install them after install and you should be good to go |
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| 11:38.30 | salvin2 | liable, can i configure the module for make that? |
| 11:38.39 | liable | salvin2: you can add that option to the module parameters when it loads |
| 11:39.21 | liable | salvin2: go visit madwifi.org and check the noautocreate section, then just add nosbeacon |
| 11:40.10 | liable | salvin2: you can even do it in interfaces, but its more convoluted (and i dont have my old at hand, so i cant spoon feed you ;) |
| 11:40.16 | salvin2 | ok thanks |
| 11:40.20 | ling_ | So when the installer tries to go online and fails I just continue and then I boot the new system and install the drivers by hand? |
| 11:40.29 | liable | ling_: yup |
| 11:40.35 | SQLDb | anyone know why on a fresh install, only upgraded to lenny, grub would give "file not found" for the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 11:40.45 | SQLDb | as far as I can tell, it exists |
| 11:40.54 | ling_ | Then what would I do to go from the base system to a full system once I'm online? |
| 11:41.21 | liable | ling_: you can run tasksel or just install whatever you want |
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| 11:42.38 | liable | SQLDb: paste your menu.lst and ls /boot to a paster (the exact grub error too) |
| 11:42.56 | liable | SQLDb: your fdisk -l output too |
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| 11:43.22 | liable | ling_: is your network wpa? |
| 11:43.49 | quitte | SQLDb: id guess that it is some hdx got renamed to sdx issue. |
| 11:44.01 | ling_ | yes |
| 11:44.13 | SQLDb | quitte: I was trying to move hda to sda, but, I gave up, and removed hda, and did a fresh install :P |
| 11:44.33 | liable | ling_: then you will also need wpasupplicant, unless you can turn off encryption temporarily to get set up |
| 11:44.40 | wols | the file not found for the kernel has nothing to do with hda/sda |
| 11:44.53 | wols | cause grub doesn't know the concept of either. there is hd0 and nothing else |
| 11:44.54 | SQLDb | pasting stuff, sec |
| 11:45.06 | liable | omg! i agree with wols. this is like twilight zone! |
| 11:45.57 | salvin2 | liable, are you sure i can do it? |
| 11:46.02 | salvin2 | http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/autocreate |
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| 11:46.22 | liable | salvin2: pretty damn sure, yeah |
| 11:46.23 | ling_ | OK, thank you liable. |
| 11:46.34 | quitte | SQLDb: is the ide disk still in your computer? |
| 11:46.36 | SQLDb | hmm, where would I get the grub error, or, would I have to reboot, and write it down? |
| 11:46.39 | SQLDb | quitte: yes |
| 11:47.02 | salvin2 | liable, where must i insert the option? |
| 11:47.03 | quitte | wols: grub accessingwrong boot prtition? |
| 11:47.28 | liable | salvin2: make a file in modprobe.d and add all the options you want there |
| 11:47.35 | salvin2 | modprobe ath_pci autocreate=sta nosbeacon? |
| 11:48.37 | liable | salvin2: why do you want nosbeacon on a sta anyway? its meant for ap vaps |
| 11:48.41 | SQLDb | well, except for the grub error, here's all the other stuff http://paste.debian.net/48688 |
| 11:49.00 | wols | grub has a shell. use it |
| 11:49.08 | quitte | SQLDb: afaict the problem is that linux, the bios and grub dont agree what order the harddisks are in and which device should be booted from. check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:49.22 | liable | and device.map |
| 11:49.24 | salvin2 | liable, for create an ap interface later |
| 11:49.34 | quitte | liable: thanks. thats what i meant to type |
| 11:49.39 | SQLDb | quitte: ahh, that makes sense, thanks :) |
| 11:49.39 | wols | SQLDb: grub menu is shwoing? |
| 11:50.20 | SQLDb | wols: yes, it shows the grub menu, but, if I try to select 2.6.22, I get "file not found? on the kernel |
| 11:50.42 | liable | salvin2: hrm, i dont have madwifi installed atm, iirc, man wlanconfig gives nosbeacon option? |
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| 11:51.04 | salvin2 | liable, yes |
| 11:51.04 | SQLDb | device.map has /dev/sda as hd1, same as menu.lst |
| 11:51.07 | liable | salvin2: you really should be asking in #madwifi i havent been using it for some time |
| 11:51.13 | wols | cause you set the wrong root (hd1,0) |
| 11:51.35 | wols | your devicemap has a hd1 entry when there is no hd1 |
| 11:51.38 | liable | salvin2: so if you have a sta vap at boot, and make an ap one later, whats the problem? |
| 11:51.43 | salvin2 | liable, but so i must destroy that interface |
| 11:51.58 | wols | so rmmod the madwifi drivers and it's gone |
| 11:52.05 | salvin2 | create another interfaci with nosbeacon |
| 11:52.07 | liable | salvin2: do you even need a sta vap at all? |
| 11:52.23 | SQLDb | wols: hmm. I've never used sata before, would the second drive, be sd0 or something? |
| 11:52.27 | liable | salvin2: /j #madwifi and we can continue there |
| 11:52.34 | salvin2 | liable, yes |
| 11:52.42 | wols | SQLDb: no |
| 11:52.59 | wols | what is in the devicemap and what hdds do you have? |
| 11:53.04 | wols | device.map |
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| 11:53.57 | SQLDb | wols: devicemap has hd0 (/dev/dha) and hd1 (/dev/sda) hd0 is going to be windows, and hd1 is lenny |
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| 11:54.14 | SQLDb | hd0 is an old 100G pata drive, hd1 is a 320G SATA |
| 11:54.34 | quitte | easiest would probably be to edit he menu entries live. but as i didnt look at te pastebin i have to assume that wols already knows the specific problem |
| 11:55.22 | SQLDb | the kernel that boots, is set up the same way (on hd1,0) |
| 11:55.41 | SQLDb | it's literally the exact same, except one is 2.6.22-3-amd64 and the other is 2.6.18-amd64 |
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| 11:56.37 | quitte | SQLDb: at some point in the past all sata began being treated as scsi devices. and at themoment the same is happening to pata. |
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| 11:59.30 | wols | SQLDb: where is grub installed? does windows boot fine? |
| 11:59.53 | SQLDb | wols: haven't installed windows yet |
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| 12:00.05 | SQLDb | grub is only installed to /dev/sda |
| 12:00.11 | wols | SQLDb: then do it now. you will have to reinstall grub after windows |
| 12:00.23 | wols | so sda is actually hd1 |
| 12:00.26 | wols | erm hd0 |
| 12:00.31 | SQLDb | wols: nah, I shouldn't, windows is going on hda |
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| 12:00.41 | wols | first disk where one boots from is hd0 |
| 12:00.53 | SQLDb | wols: if that's the case, why would grub bood hd1 just fine, for 2.6.18? |
| 12:00.55 | wols | SQLDb: windows will overwrite your grub. no matter what |
| 12:00.55 | blueD | hi, how can I start adept in the terminal? |
| 12:01.12 | SQLDb | wols: even if it's on a completely seperate disk? |
| 12:02.08 | bolt | apt-get update gives me an md5sum mismatch on the unstable source repositories |
| 12:02.08 | bolt | wtf? |
| 12:02.10 | wols | SQLDb: # |
| 12:02.10 | wols | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-amd64 (on /dev/hda1) |
| 12:02.10 | wols | # |
| 12:02.11 | wols | root (hd0,0) |
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| 12:02.21 | wols | Son1c: you are wrong |
| 12:03.09 | SQLDb | bbias, reboot, trying something |
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| 12:06.38 | pablo26 | hi all,i need to know where is the java configuration stored in debian, i have 4 similar servers and one have differnt config, i cant find the difference |
| 12:07.13 | wols | what "config"? |
| 12:07.41 | pablo26 | wols: for example, th encoding, the memory usage |
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| 12:13.50 | liable | i wish some fucker would make a decent laptop that coreboot works on with standard peripheral support and werent complete assholes.. |
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| 12:15.50 | untitled | hi there! Anyone got this problem with kde 3.5.8 kontrol center in lenny, that it can't do 'administrators mode'? |
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| 12:21.14 | bolt | "Failed to fetch http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch" help! |
| 12:21.34 | GuySoft | hey all, i have a wireless dongle using the r73 driver, where do i place the firmware? |
| 12:21.36 | moshii | liable: I wsih someone made a decent laptop.. |
| 12:22.00 | moshii | bolt: try a different mirror |
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| 12:22.45 | liable | moshii: ibm do, but they are tyranical bastards irt to what you can do with it. I love thinkpads, but i wont be buying another one if I avoid it |
| 12:23.08 | [deXter] | eew, thinkpad! |
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| 12:24.02 | [deXter] | I've owned 4 thinkpads over the last 8 years .. all of them died unnatural deaths |
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| 12:24.07 | GuySoft | nevermind, had to download the firmware-ralink package |
| 12:24.46 | [deXter] | the last one was horrible. First there was a red line in the screen, then the colors became weird, then the screen completly went off, finally, the laptop refused to even boot! |
| 12:24.47 | wols | GuySoft: /lib/firmware/ |
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| 12:25.05 | GuySoft | wols, thanks, but i solved it allready |
| 12:25.29 | moshii | liable: I thought thinkpads were mad in china now.. |
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| 12:25.53 | liable | moshii: they are |
| 12:26.03 | liable | moshii: they have been for a long time |
| 12:26.19 | moshii | liable: but not by ibm any more? |
| 12:26.56 | liable | moshii: lenovo have been making them for a while before ibm sold out to them |
| 12:27.07 | [deXter] | no, it's Lenovo, and it's even more suckier than before |
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| 12:27.45 | moshii | [deXter]: The quality between ranges can change quite alot, the first fujitsu-siemens I bought had it's screen replaced 5 or 6 times, but the one my girlfriends parents have is an awesome machine |
| 12:28.18 | moshii | [deXter]: I reckon the ibm stuff is the same, everyone makes a few bad apples now and then |
| 12:28.56 | [deXter] | moshii, but 4 laptops? Also, my best bud who lives in the same building, had 2 crashed thinkpads, and another friend had one crashed and one screen-gone-bad |
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| 12:29.22 | liable | thinkpads ae actually getting better, t42's didnt have a full magnesium chassis |
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| 12:30.02 | moshii | I think I'll stick to cheap macbooks for now :) |
| 12:30.04 | jmut | debian mysql has some weird debian-sys-maint user set. and since I dump my backup with users and all..no I get some errors, nothgin major but stupid. any clue where I can see what sql is executed when package is first instaleld? |
| 12:30.15 | liable | moshii: ewww |
| 12:30.25 | jmut | I get the users because the debian-sys-maint user is no more |
| 12:30.38 | [deXter] | liable.. my friend was boasting about his z-series magnesium chassis laptop.. his crashed within 2 years :) |
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| 12:30.43 | moshii | jmut: the debian-sys-main user is there to make sure package upgrades go correctly, it's not weird |
| 12:30.53 | [deXter] | I'll say one thing though; their HDDs have improved |
| 12:31.00 | liable | [deXter]: eh, they havent been around that long |
| 12:31.19 | [deXter] | isn't it the one with the silver casing? |
| 12:31.32 | [deXter] | metallic |
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| 12:31.42 | liable | yeah, and they came out after the one i have, and its only 18 months old |
| 12:31.51 | moshii | liable: why ewww. It doesn't look like something paris hilton would wear (ie that horrible brushed metal look pc makers think is nice), and works |
| 12:32.29 | jmut | moshii: ok, there sure should be some purpose, any clue how I can adjust it ? |
| 12:32.48 | moshii | jmut: adjust it in what way? |
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| 12:33.23 | jmut | moshii: well is it ok to just add this user, and set root privileges or I need some db..no clue. thats why I wonder exactly what sql is executed with the package on installation |
| 12:33.32 | moshii | jmut: you probably have a different password in the debian.conf file than is in the db |
| 12:34.14 | moshii | jmut: ah, in the mysql conf dir there is a file that contain the details of the debian user,.. use that to fix it |
| 12:34.24 | jmut | moshii: ok. thanks |
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| 12:38.01 | kjs | When creating LVM on my etch install I dont want /boot in the LVM right? |
| 12:38.02 | jmut | moshii: nothing specific, jsut user, password, do you think I should creat/give this user root privileges? |
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| 12:41.18 | jmut | moshii: seems ok now.. time will tell :) |
| 12:41.53 | moshii | jmut: I forget what rights the debian-sys-maint user should have, it's not a root user I know that |
| 12:42.15 | jmut | moshii: I think its serious securtiy risk the way it is now. reading pass from plain text. with root. |
| 12:42.21 | jmut | moshii: yep..just thought it should not be root. |
| 12:42.35 | debian__ | Is it a simple program to make new configuration programs? |
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| 12:44.32 | XoX | how do i see all computers currently connected to nfs |
| 12:45.26 | debian__ | Is there any good user managment software for debian? Like for hundreds of users. |
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| 12:46.24 | XoX | /proc/net/rpc/auth.unix.ip/content |
| 12:46.24 | XoX | ? |
| 12:46.44 | moshii | XoX: netstat | grep nfs? |
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| 12:49.55 | jmut | moshii: fyi this seems to be enough http://pastebin.com/d396899db |
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| 13:03.28 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:03.29 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 13:04.48 | moshii | classic |
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| 13:06.52 | erik2 | i've got the NetworkManager (applet) running on my desktop. Why ? |
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| 13:08.41 | moshii | erik2: you installed it or something pulled it in |
| 13:09.04 | quitte | erik2: also you are in the netdev group |
| 13:09.52 | erik2 | ah yes, but my 'why' is more like 'why do I need it' ;-) or even ' do I need it at all' or 'can't uninstall it' |
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| 13:10.24 | erik2 | umm it says here I'n in the debian channel |
| 13:10.36 | moshii | erik2: does what it says on the tin.. "manages network connections" |
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| 13:11.02 | blueD | Where can I find .xdefaults to configure aterm on debian? |
| 13:11.04 | erik2 | moshii: it says here: no network connection..(haha) |
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| 13:11.42 | moshii | erik2: if only binds to interfaces that aren't managed/configure in the interfaces file. |
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| 13:12.28 | cahoot | blueD: you can create .Xdefaults if it's not present |
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| 13:12.47 | quitte | no. it manages devices devices in interfaces,too. i forgot though how it decides wether to manage or not |
| 13:12.52 | blueD | cahoot, just in my home dir? |
| 13:13.23 | cahoot | correct |
| 13:13.58 | blueD | Ok, thanks |
| 13:14.26 | erik2 | moshii: and I don't think I have any other interface than eth0, a wired card.... seems NM is for wireless... |
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| 13:15.21 | moshii | erik2: can handle cisco and openvpn vpn connections too, very handy for that |
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| 13:15.42 | liable | its really a pita though |
| 13:15.42 | cahoot | blueD: then you can just run xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 13:15.52 | erik2 | ah...ok... vpn may be useful in futer.. then I let it exist... |
| 13:16.08 | erik2 | future |
| 13:16.12 | liable | dont keep nm just for that |
| 13:16.28 | liable | it is really a buggy piece of crap |
| 13:16.58 | liable | only because linux network stuff cover such a broad range |
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| 13:17.51 | liable | moshii: depends entirely in the hardware its trying to talk to |
| 13:17.58 | liable | on* |
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| 13:19.10 | Knight_Lord | It is possible to upgrade a system from 32bit userland to 64bit? |
| 13:19.19 | Knorrie | no |
| 13:19.23 | liable | nope, reinstall |
| 13:19.53 | blueD | cahoot, is there a tutorial to pimp my aterm in debian? |
| 13:20.17 | cahoot | sorry I know NIL about pimping |
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| 13:20.56 | possie | i've got a few "df -h" commands in a DEAD state, which are taking up lot's of IOWAIT's how can i kill these processes? kill -9 $pid doesn't work |
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| 13:21.25 | liable | !zombi |
| 13:21.34 | blueD | cahoot, ok... but you know something about fluxbox? |
| 13:21.46 | liable | dpkg: wake you useless pile of wires! |
| 13:21.51 | Knorrie | zombies are not dead, they are undead :P |
| 13:22.09 | cahoot | blueD: not realy haven't used it for some years |
| 13:22.21 | Knorrie | !zombie |
| 13:22.21 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 13:22.25 | Knorrie | liable: :) |
| 13:22.29 | blueD | cahoot, ok |
| 13:22.36 | liable | Knorrie: hah |
| 13:22.47 | liable | busted! my spelling sucks.. |
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| 13:26.02 | Noboru | can anyone tell me what does Key buffer fill ratio stand for in mysql,i cant get answer in #mysql :( |
| 13:26.32 | fireba11 | Noboru: should be self-explaining |
| 13:27.09 | Noboru | ? |
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| 13:27.33 | fireba11 | Noboru: well the ratio of how much the buffer for keys is filled ^^ |
| 13:28.03 | Noboru | hi fireba11 ,so would you tell me the value of it the larger the better or no ? |
| 13:28.52 | fireba11 | judging from the name ideally the value should be >1 |
| 13:28.58 | fireba11 | er .. |
| 13:28.59 | fireba11 | <1 |
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| 13:29.34 | fireba11 | Noboru: checking the mysql manual should help too though |
| 13:29.55 | Noboru | hmm |
| 13:30.05 | Noboru | i dont find it. |
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| 13:35.10 | thzone | hi, quick question.. is it possible to run the x GUI from an SSH? |
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| 13:35.33 | kunsi | thzone: yes, ssl SERVER -X afaik |
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| 13:35.36 | joltcan | Yes. man ssh and look for -X |
| 13:35.47 | hoxu | thzone, you can run X programs over SSH |
| 13:36.02 | sander__ | Hi. Anyone know why it says I dont have any flash plugin installed when I go into flash enabled websites?.. And at some swf files it says: The SWF file caused a fatal error in the swfdec decoder. This likely means that there is a bug in swfdec |
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| 13:36.25 | thzone | when i do startx it tells me that the server is already active for display 0 |
| 13:36.32 | thzone | (which is the console) |
| 13:36.35 | sander__ | about:plugins in firefox says I have "File name: libflashplayer.so, Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115" |
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| 13:37.10 | sander__ | And "File name: libswfdecmozilla.so, Shockwave Flash 4.0 animation viewer handled by swfdec-0.3.6." |
| 13:37.15 | hoxu | sander__, what's your debian version? etch? |
| 13:37.18 | rlc | hello i wanna upgrade a little server from sarge -> etch , I change my source.list to "stable", (and backup dpkg --get-selections). What's the best command for aptitude to upgrade the server ? |
| 13:37.18 | bolt | I have an intel i830 graphics card, i810 driver and the Terminus (bitmap) font set at size 16. When I open an xterm in fullscreen I get one less line than in the vty's, and the console doesn't cover the screen all the way to the bottom. I am trying to change my DPI to 106, as it should be, but even through xdpyinfo shows the changes, nothing happens, even if I lower DPI to 75 to test. Why doesn't X listen to my dpi settings?! |
| 13:37.31 | hoxu | !tell rlc about sarge->etch |
| 13:37.36 | wols | !tell rlc about sarge->etch |
| 13:37.38 | sander__ | hoxu, Yes. etch |
| 13:37.45 | hoxu | !tell sander__ about adobe flash |
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| 13:38.22 | rlc | thk u |
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| 13:38.29 | jonkar | hi |
| 13:38.32 | jonkar | holaqws |
| 13:38.43 | vekita | hi every body |
| 13:38.44 | hoxu | thzone, what do you actually want to do? What makes you think you need to start X as usual? Do you just want to use some program over SSH? |
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| 13:39.03 | vekita | como ta amix |
| 13:39.14 | thzone | yeah, i'd like to have a GUI over SSH |
| 13:39.21 | jonkar | hik |
| 13:39.34 | vekita | hablame en cristiano |
| 13:39.38 | vekita | siiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 13:39.42 | carmi | hola |
| 13:39.44 | sander__ | hoxu, Now I've installed flashplayer-mozilla from debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:39.44 | vekita | please |
| 13:39.50 | jonkar | holas carmim |
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| 13:40.04 | sander__ | hoxu, But still.. It dosnt work. Mabe I need to uninstall the old plugin some way? |
| 13:40.08 | jonkar | hola i love you |
| 13:40.10 | vekita | carmiña sorry por las pelis siii |
| 13:40.19 | ttf | hi.. what's the name of the server again which archives all the debian packages? |
| 13:40.23 | vekita | me disculpas |
| 13:40.29 | vekita | amix |
| 13:40.37 | vekita | hola amarilla con cariño |
| 13:40.41 | hoxu | sander__, maybe, I'd try flashplugin-nonfree from backports.org |
| 13:40.41 | vekita | sin rencores |
| 13:41.10 | yashi | mushasho |
| 13:41.30 | jonkar | i lobve you sta hay? |
| 13:41.47 | hoxu | thzone, I don't think you can start X normally over SSH, and not sure if it makes sense unless you want something like vnc, can't you just start the actual applications instead? |
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| 13:41.54 | sander__ | hoxu, whats the soureces line for backports.org? |
| 13:41.55 | hoxu | thzone, I mean, you have a running X session where you are connecting from, don't you? |
| 13:41.57 | vekita | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.58 | jonkar | habla barrio |
| 13:42.01 | vekita | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.14 | hoxu | !tell sander__ about backports.org |
| 13:42.15 | thzone | hoxu can i message you? |
| 13:42.16 | miriancita | hjhjhj |
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| 13:42.22 | pipi | mushashaç |
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| 13:42.37 | yashi | q |
| 13:42.37 | hoxu | thzone, no, keep it on the channel please, that way other people may help you as well, and benefit from the answers, should I say something worthwhile for once :P |
| 13:42.38 | carmi | vekita los videos |
| 13:42.45 | jonkar | holas |
| 13:42.45 | sander__ | hoxu, thanks |
| 13:42.57 | jonkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.57 | jonkar | hey pipi |
| 13:42.57 | jonkar | jajjajaa |
| 13:42.59 | thzone | ah ok |
| 13:43.02 | jonkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.02 | vekita | sorri ya te dije es q mi cel estaba apagado |
| 13:43.07 | vekita | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.15 | vekita | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.22 | vekita | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.23 | carmi | daisi que estas haciendo |
| 13:43.24 | thzone | well, I'm on and i want to be able to do some of that stuff (firefox over ssh, etc...) just for fun... |
| 13:43.24 | hoxu | !es |
| 13:43.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:43.36 | thzone | err http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html |
| 13:43.58 | hoxu | carmi/vekita: stop talking to yourself? :p |
| 13:44.05 | jonkar | allinllanmi |
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| 13:44.25 | jonkar | karolina habla ps |
| 13:44.30 | possie | liable, it's not in Z state put in D state |
| 13:44.32 | jonkar | jjajajajajajjajaj |
| 13:44.40 | sander__ | hoxu, thanks alot. Works now :-) |
| 13:44.50 | vekita | carmen quien es hoxu sabes |
| 13:44.59 | jonkar | quien? |
| 13:45.05 | possie | liable, so it's not a Zombie, but just DEAD or better said in a "Uninterruptible sleep) |
| 13:45.06 | possie | " |
| 13:45.18 | carmi | vekita cuando vas a traer los videos |
| 13:45.29 | vekita | hoxu quien eres manifiebtate |
| 13:45.31 | hoxu | vekita/carmi/jonkar - same user, is this spamming/trolling or what? This is english-speaking channel |
| 13:45.31 | vekita | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.37 | jonkar | cuales |
| 13:45.43 | jonkar | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.49 | jonkar | vekita |
| 13:45.54 | hoxu | !ops vekita/carmi/jonkar seem to be same user speaking to himself, spammer? |
| 13:45.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: vekita/carmi/jonkar seem to be same user speaking to himself, spammer |
| 13:46.13 | jonkar | hols |
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| 13:46.13 | RichiH | !es |
| 13:46.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:46.25 | hoxu | RichiH, that was shown already :p |
| 13:46.33 | jonkar | habla conmigo |
| 13:46.35 | hoxu | and same IP, same user -> spammer? |
| 13:46.48 | carmi | karina deja de hacer escandalo |
| 13:46.52 | hoxu | thzone, you can use plain X forwarding for running firefox over SSH, no need to start X |
| 13:46.54 | vekita | hi pipi |
| 13:47.06 | RichiH | carmi, jonkar, vekita: please stop |
| 13:47.17 | thzone | hoxu how? |
| 13:47.32 | vekita | quien eres richi |
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| 13:47.48 | vekita | manifiestate please |
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| 13:47.57 | hoxu | thzone, man ssh, search for "-X", basically, just use that option when connecting |
| 13:48.14 | wols | RichiH: doesn't freenoed impose a limit on hw many people can join from one iP? |
| 13:48.17 | pipi | hola chinita |
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| 13:48.28 | RichiH | wols: of course |
| 13:48.32 | pipi | were are you form ? |
| 13:48.39 | thzone | hoxu man doesn't work.. |
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| 13:48.42 | pipi | Im from |
| 13:48.46 | wols | then how the fuck can we have half a dozen trolls from one IP? |
| 13:48.49 | hoxu | can we have OPs quiet that IP, it's either spammer, troll, or some class playing with ubuntu livecd behind proxy, whatever it is, they shouldn't be crapping here |
| 13:49.00 | jonkar | carmin |
| 13:49.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@200.60.36.127] by RichiH |
| 13:49.31 | hoxu | thanks |
| 13:49.55 | chlue | Hello I use rsnapshot as a backup tool, but now my backupvolume was full and I deleted an incomplete backup after freeing up some space to run it again. Unfortunate this broke the hardlinking of unchanged files from the old backups to the new one. I vague remember a tool that looks for similar files in a directorystructure and hardlinks then. Does anyone have a name at hand? |
| 13:49.59 | RichiH | wols: careful probing of whatever max metric our internal systems come up for $IP |
| 13:50.11 | hoxu | thzone, man does not work? What does it do? |
| 13:51.00 | thzone | I'm using untangle, which is built ontop of debian |
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| 13:51.19 | wols | !based on debian |
| 13:51.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:51.25 | thzone | lol |
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| 13:52.05 | hoxu | they just keep replicating ~_~ |
| 13:52.15 | thzone | that IP is banned... |
| 13:52.20 | thzone | how are they getting around the ban? |
| 13:52.20 | wols | how do they do that when their IP is banned? |
| 13:52.33 | hoxu | wols, it's quieted, note the '%' part |
| 13:52.39 | wols | oops |
| 13:52.40 | thzone | ahh |
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| 13:53.07 | wols | dear jonkar and "friends": please play elswhere |
| 13:53.10 | Knight_Lord | I was told I cannot upgrade from 32bit debian to 64bit. Is there a way to install 64bit debian inside a 32bit debian using chroot? |
| 13:53.17 | wols | from the looks of it you don't even run debian |
| 13:53.19 | hoxu | does knoppix have irc client that by default joins #debian on freenode? |
| 13:53.25 | wols | Knight_Lord: debootstrap |
| 13:53.29 | Knight_Lord | Is there any documentation on how to install debian inside debian? |
| 13:53.39 | Knight_Lord | wols should I just google for debootstrap? |
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| 13:53.45 | wols | !edbootstrap |
| 13:53.53 | hoxu | !debootstrap |
| 13:53.53 | dpkg | well, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 13:53.53 | wols | !debootstrap |
| 13:54.00 | Knorrie | Knight_Lord: no, you can run a 32 bit chroot in a 64-bit debian install, but not the other way round |
| 13:54.22 | liable | again.. |
| 13:54.22 | wols | liable: better rearrange the brain. it needs it more |
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| 13:54.28 | thzone | What's the command to see what version i'm running? |
| 13:54.31 | Knight_Lord | Knorrie I would reboot with a different root after I finish the installation |
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| 13:54.39 | hoxu | !tell thzone about version |
| 13:54.44 | wols | thzone: how should we know when you don't run debian? |
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| 13:54.50 | Knorrie | Knight_Lord: ah ok |
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| 13:55.00 | m0zzzy | hey! |
| 13:55.11 | johndoevodka | what would be a smart partition for debian? |
| 13:55.19 | Knorrie | Knight_Lord: i like cdebootstrap more than debootstrap |
| 13:55.24 | Knight_Lord | Knorrie and actually I have an AMD64 kernel so it might work without reboot |
| 13:55.26 | thzone | ~ # cat /etc/debian_version [root @ thz] |
| 13:55.26 | thzone | 3.1 |
| 13:55.33 | hoxu | someone find out who's holding a knoppix livecd class test behind that 200.60.36.127 proxy, and send some "feedback" for the teacher ;) |
| 13:55.47 | m0zzzy | Anybody experiencing problems with fglrx on Lenny? I have T60 with X1300..and I see enormous performance degradation, when Xorg is started |
| 13:55.58 | thzone | wols according to that command, I am :P |
| 13:56.07 | wols | thzone: you talk bullshit |
| 13:56.19 | wols | untangle is based on debian but it's not debian |
| 13:56.31 | Knorrie | Knight_Lord: you can use cdebootstrap with the --arch option |
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| 13:56.50 | liable | hoxu: apart from joins, it doesnt appear to be a problem now |
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| 13:57.48 | hoxu | liable, true, but might be useful to point out (for whoever organized it) not to make livecd test class joining/hijacking a public channel :) |
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| 13:58.22 | bolt | I have an intel i830 graphics card, i810 driver and the Terminus (bitmap) font set at size 16. When I open an xterm in fullscreen I get one less line than in the vty's, and the console doesn't cover the screen all the way to the bottom. I am trying to change my DPI to 106, as it should be, but even through xdpyinfo shows the changes, nothing happens, even if I lower DPI to 75 to test. Why doesn't X listen to my dpi settings?! |
| 13:58.29 | liable | hoxu: we used to get that with ubuntu cd's when it first came out. very annoying.. |
| 13:58.53 | hoxu | heh |
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| 14:00.02 | liable | i get the feeling that ip has been +q |
| 14:00.06 | thzone | *sigh* |
| 14:00.26 | liable | i blame RichiH ! |
| 14:00.38 | wols | !blame RichiH |
| 14:00.46 | blueD | my openoffice look ugly in fluxbox... large window and letters.... how come? |
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| 14:01.06 | hoxu | oh, don't blame RichiH or he'll remove the +q and then we're screwed :P |
| 14:01.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:01.25 | wols | abrotman: welcome to school |
| 14:01.27 | streuner | dpkg, literal cmd (.*?) blame |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | did #knoppix shut down? |
| 14:01.47 | abrotman | oh .. same person .. nevermind |
| 14:01.54 | wols | some schoolclass with an old knoppix CD is our guess |
| 14:02.25 | wols | *children |
| 14:02.33 | hoxu | *where |
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| 14:02.41 | hoxu | ;) |
| 14:02.47 | wols | hoxu: I'm a foruhner, I'm allowed |
| 14:02.57 | hoxu | hmm, same ip, different ident |
| 14:03.16 | wols | a hacker! |
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| 14:03.41 | wols | and if it's not lying, a female one! |
| 14:03.53 | maxamillion | blueD: that's the default openOffice, when you are in gnome or kde there is a package called openoffice-gnome and openoffice-kde respectively that adapt its interface to the DE .... i think there is an openoffice-gtk that you can install and just set your gtk settings so that it will look "normal" when running fluxbox (or any other DE/WM) |
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| 14:05.11 | blueD | maxamillion, thanks, i will try that |
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| 14:06.13 | blueD | maxamillion, how canI change the gtk settings? |
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| 14:06.45 | hoxu | 10 users from same IP, I guess that proxy is an exemption or freenode has some weird limits |
| 14:06.47 | wols | teacer found out |
| 14:07.53 | hoxu | wols, I'm afraid that could've been a single user from the short time between the quits... so long for the comfortable thought of a livecd class :'( |
| 14:08.22 | abrotman | you think? |
| 14:08.25 | maxamillion | blueD: there are different ways .... the gtk-switcher is probably the easiest |
| 14:08.31 | maxamillion | blueD: lemme check which package you need |
| 14:08.56 | hoxu | abrotman, most of the time no, but I occasionally heuristically map questions to factoids ;) |
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| 14:09.45 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch i think |
| 14:10.07 | maxamillion | blueD: the package is called gtk-theme-switch and that package also has the gtk2-theme-switch utility in it ... i'm pretty sure that is what you will need to set it |
| 14:10.13 | faclon | Hi, I have a problem with my sound. When I plug in a headphone the sound continues coming out from the main speakers and not from the headphones |
| 14:10.46 | abrotman | maxamillion: gtk-theme-switch2 i think |
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| 14:11.19 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah |
| 14:11.45 | streuner | !info gtk-chtheme |
| 14:11.48 | dpkg | gtk-chtheme: (GTK+ 2.0 theme changer and previewer utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 14:11.57 | chairmeleon | hey :) have anyone else in here experienced the problem with /dev/rtc timing out when trying to set system time? |
| 14:12.15 | streuner | its better in order to change fonts in GTK2 |
| 14:12.17 | abrotman | streuner: but that's not in etch ? |
| 14:12.25 | streuner | uh, no idea |
| 14:12.32 | streuner | !info gtk-chtheme etch |
| 14:12.52 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'gtk-chtheme' does not exist. |
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| 14:15.22 | streuner | abrotman: in lenny and sid, do you think its hard to make a "simple sid backport" for etch? |
| 14:15.31 | chairmeleon | ok, I need some opinions :) is Sid stable enough for running as a day to day desktop system? Or, for comparison, is it as stable as Arch? |
| 14:15.54 | tls_81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.11 | liable | chairmeleon: its stable enough if you know how to revert badly broken packages |
| 14:16.16 | streuner | chairmeleon: unstable=sid |
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| 14:16.46 | liable | chairmeleon: if you dont know how to do that, dont use it (or learn how on your own) |
| 14:16.51 | streuner | chairmeleon: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 14:17.01 | hoxu | chairmeleon, don't run it if you do important stuff... although I've gotten away by just not upgrading those times when I was working on something important |
| 14:17.14 | chairmeleon | streuner: I know that, but since package versions are about on level with arch, stability should be on level as well, for most of the time |
| 14:17.31 | hoxu | !why unstable |
| 14:17.32 | chairmeleon | liable: what exactly do you mean by reverting broken packages? |
| 14:17.44 | hoxu | darn |
| 14:17.55 | abrotman | streuner: if i could remember how to make the bot show deps :) |
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| 14:18.06 | abrotman | streuner: i'd imagine it requires a gtk backport |
| 14:18.08 | liable | chairmeleon: its generally pretty good, but shit breaks and you need to know how to fix it or roll back to the last known good package |
| 14:18.20 | abrotman | streuner: but somewhere .. norbert has a gnome2.16 (18?) backport |
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| 14:18.52 | chairmeleon | liable: alright, well I guess I'll sit tight in lenny then |
| 14:18.56 | streuner | abrotman: that tool isnt in backports |
| 14:19.06 | abrotman | streuner: it was outside bpo |
| 14:19.10 | streuner | hm |
| 14:19.18 | abrotman | !depends gtk-chtheme |
| 14:19.20 | dpkg | gtk-chtheme: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libc6 (>= 2.6.1-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.0), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.12-3), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.18.2), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.2.0), libxrender1 |
| 14:19.32 | abrotman | might be possible |
| 14:19.33 | liable | chairmeleon: good, testing can be more broken than unstable at times :) |
| 14:19.37 | streuner | abrotman: i think, if some problems exist, they might coming from GTK2 |
| 14:19.49 | abrotman | maybe libcairo0 and libpango |
| 14:20.03 | chairmeleon | liable: Oh, I've ran it for a year or so on the family computer, never had the slightest hitch |
| 14:20.17 | liable | chairmeleon: i think people using sid is fine as long as they work shit out for themselves when it breaks |
| 14:20.18 | chairmeleon | by what means can it be more broken? |
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| 14:20.54 | chairmeleon | liable: I'm quite accustomed to that, although I prefer no breakage at all, that's why I left arch for debian this time |
| 14:21.32 | liable | chairmeleon: you'll prolly find even sid is more stable than the bastard sons of debian :) |
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| 14:22.21 | chairmeleon | liable: well, arch isn't really a bastard son of debian ? :D |
| 14:22.59 | chairmeleon | and I don't ever experienced system critical breakage even on arch..so the fear of that makes me stay away from sid at the moment |
| 14:23.38 | liable | chairmeleon: if it uses debs, its a bastard son.. |
| 14:24.30 | chairmeleon | it does not :D |
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| 14:24.41 | chairmeleon | arch is actually a really, really nice system |
| 14:24.50 | chairmeleon | just a bit too bleeding edge for it's own good |
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| 14:34.29 | efaistos | does anyone have an issue with screen ... i tried to launch it but it closes automatically |
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| 14:35.40 | hoxu | efaistos, we need more info. Did you try moving ~/.screenrc away? |
| 14:36.16 | efaistos | yeah |
| 14:36.22 | bolt | I have an intel i830 graphics card, i810 driver and the Terminus (bitmap) font set at size 16. When I open an xterm in fullscreen I get one less line than in the vty's, and the console doesn't cover the screen all the way to the bottom. I am trying to change my DPI to 106, as it should be, but even through xdpyinfo shows the changes, nothing happens, even if I lower DPI to 75 to test. Why doesn't X listen to my dpi settings?! |
| 14:36.28 | efaistos | hoxu: tried with it or withou it the same ... |
| 14:36.30 | hoxu | efaistos, screen bash ? |
| 14:36.52 | hoxu | efaistos, what does it say when it "closes"? |
| 14:36.53 | efaistos | tried to export SCREENDIR but not working |
| 14:37.01 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 14:37.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 14:37.11 | efaistos | hoxu: efaistos@kayo [~]$ screen [14:36] |
| 14:37.15 | efaistos | [screen is terminating] |
| 14:37.19 | efaistos | that's all |
| 14:37.32 | hoxu | efaistos, ok then, what about the above command, "screen bash"? |
| 14:37.44 | hoxu | efaistos, or "screen top"? |
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| 14:37.49 | hoxu | efaistos, what did you change when it stopped working? |
| 14:38.05 | efaistos | its a new install |
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| 14:38.22 | hoxu | version? |
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| 14:38.46 | multi_io | I run make-kpkg buildpackage, and it just prints 4 lines about "making target CONFIG-common" and end without compiling anything or producing any debian package. Why??? |
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| 14:39.20 | efaistos | hoxu: screen bash works ... but after that can launch another session with Ctrl+A |
| 14:39.25 | efaistos | Ctrl+C |
| 14:39.51 | hoxu | efaistos, can't, because whatever it's running is apparently exiting, check your ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile |
| 14:40.18 | hoxu | hmm |
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| 14:42.25 | hoxu | efaistos, what does "echo $SHELL" say, or "screen -s bash" and then C-a c? |
| 14:42.32 | efaistos | i'm using zsh |
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| 14:42.50 | chairmeleon | if I wanna switch my current lenny install to an etch one, is it safe procedure to just downgrade via apt-get/aptitude, or do you recommend a full reinstall? |
| 14:43.02 | hoxu | efaistos, then check whatever files it reads when it's started, the problem is in there |
| 14:43.14 | efaistos | hoxu: screen -s bash work |
| 14:43.15 | efaistos | ;) |
| 14:43.27 | efaistos | so maybe its in some zsh files |
| 14:43.42 | hoxu | efaistos, should as well, that confirms it's a problem with your shell profile files |
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| 14:44.10 | efaistos | hoxu: have to check .. |
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| 14:44.52 | hoxu | chairmeleon, backup /etc and your other stuff, then reinstall, downgrading is not an option |
| 14:45.28 | hoxu | chairmeleon, /etc because you might want to consult the files in there later, but note that you can't just use them in etch, they are not compatible most likely |
| 14:46.54 | multi_io | make-kpkg doesn't. How come? |
| 14:47.08 | multi_io | :-[ |
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| 14:49.06 | abrotman | multi_io: you didn't give us the errors. How come? |
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| 14:50.01 | multi_io | there are none. It ends successfully without doing anything. |
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| 14:51.17 | chairmeleon | hoxu: alright, well I guess I'll go for a vanilla install, I mean, lenny is pretty fresh on this box, so I haven't really customized much |
| 14:51.34 | abrotman | multi_io: command used? and did you look in ".." for the debs? |
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| 14:54.00 | bolt | I have an intel i830 graphics card, i810 driver and the Terminus (bitmap) font set at size 16. When I open an xterm in fullscreen I get one less line than in the vty's, and the console doesn't cover the screen all the way to the bottom. I am trying to change my DPI to 106, as it should be, but even through xdpyinfo shows the changes, nothing happens, even if I lower DPI to 75 to test. Why doesn't X listen to my dpi settings?! |
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| 14:56.20 | multi_io | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/48698 |
| 14:56.29 | cahoot | bolt: you dpi overridden by /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc? |
| 14:56.57 | bolt | cahoot: currently by startx -- -dpi 75 |
| 14:57.19 | bolt | cahoot: also attempted to set displaysize in xorg.conf. that didn't even register with xdpyinfo |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | multi_io: as root .. make-kpkg binary ? |
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| 14:59.39 | multi_io | abrotman: ok, that does something, thanks |
| 14:59.56 | multi_io | I'd very much prefer fakeroot though |
| 14:59.58 | deadlyallance114 | can you run an x86 version of deb on an x64 cpu ? |
| 15:00.03 | multi_io | and it did work in the past |
| 15:00.07 | abrotman | deadlyallance114: yes |
| 15:00.27 | abrotman | if you mean i386 on x86_64 |
| 15:00.46 | deadlyallance114 | abrotman do you know what it takes to "convert" a x86 versuib ti x64 ? |
| 15:00.48 | deadlyallance114 | yeah |
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| 15:01.58 | multi_io | I can make it work with fakeroot by doing rm -rf stamp* debian first |
| 15:02.09 | abrotman | deadlyallance114: a reinstall .. whatever a versuib is :) |
| 15:02.09 | multi_io | maybe rm -f stamp* would suffice too |
| 15:02.32 | deadlyallance114 | version soory |
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| 15:08.24 | multi_io | somebody should file a bug report, maybe? |
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| 15:35.10 | robboplus | hm |
| 15:35.11 | robboplus | Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id,100.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 15:35.11 | robboplus | Cpu1 : 1.3%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 97.3%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 15:35.12 | abrotman | multi_io: you can file one if you think it's appropriate .. but i'd try to nail down the exact cause first |
| 15:35.22 | robboplus | any ideas what's that wa thing? |
| 15:35.32 | robboplus | htop says 1 core 100% busy... top says both 0% busy... |
| 15:35.51 | robboplus | and no process is using 100% cpu in htop listing |
| 15:36.01 | robboplus | graph keeps on 100% though |
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| 15:40.15 | wols | robboplus: core0 is waiting for I/O probably |
| 15:40.45 | robboplus | oh crap :( |
| 15:41.09 | robboplus | you are right... it happened when ntfs-3g thing died while moving files |
| 15:41.31 | robboplus | i have NO idea what to do about that |
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| 15:41.46 | robboplus | can't umount as it says busy but i can't also access the mount |
| 15:41.59 | robboplus | and core is looping for nothing |
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| 15:42.18 | robboplus | is there a way to force umount? |
| 15:42.32 | robboplus | i even destroyed the block device already |
| 15:42.36 | petemc | robboplus: use lsof to see whats keeping it busy |
| 15:43.29 | robboplus | hm |
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| 15:44.38 | robboplus | petemc sounds very good in my ears but i'm not sure what to trace |
| 15:44.56 | robboplus | the mount itself? |
| 15:45.08 | petemc | the mount point would be a good start |
| 15:45.29 | robboplus | hm i tried but it just keeps hanging, no output |
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| 15:45.57 | ThoMe | hello |
| 15:46.16 | ThoMe | which kernel -image for intel core duo (2.6.24X) ? |
| 15:46.32 | robboplus | i just saw that there is 1 process left: |
| 15:46.41 | robboplus | and i can't kill it: /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g /dev/nbd0 /W50/ -o rw,force |
| 15:46.53 | robboplus | even -9 doesn't work for it |
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| 15:47.32 | robboplus | i guess that's the one that causes the core to loop at 100% |
| 15:47.58 | robboplus | is there a way to remove that zombie? |
| 15:48.11 | abrotman | ThoMe: -686 |
| 15:50.09 | Supaplex | <search> isn't doing the trick for me today. what can I use to create a deb repo from .debs I have? this'll make local test installs with debootstrap much faster. |
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| 15:50.50 | Supaplex | !tell ThoMe about amd64 |
| 15:51.36 | chairmeleon | is there any respository with more recent kernels packaged for testing? |
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| 15:52.09 | ThoMe | abrotman: merci |
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| 15:52.33 | robboplus | hm no way to remove a zombie process? |
| 15:52.42 | robboplus | i really don't like remote reboots.. |
| 15:53.02 | Supaplex | !zombie |
| 15:53.03 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
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| 15:53.25 | robboplus | Supaplex hm |
| 15:53.37 | robboplus | but how come 1 of my cores is 100% busy then? |
| 15:53.45 | robboplus | and there is no parent for sure for that process |
| 15:54.00 | Supaplex | robboplus: there are occasional pids that'll show it's using 100%, but the machine is still responsive. (deceptive). use top and see what it's working on (man top) |
| 15:54.02 | robboplus | i really don't understand this, never had such a problem before |
| 15:54.23 | robboplus | it's basically "strange" 100% because it shows up only for wa |
| 15:54.41 | robboplus | Cpu0 : 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id,100.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
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| 15:54.54 | robboplus | htop graph shows 100% busy core though, top shows 0% |
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| 15:55.19 | robboplus | wols says that it is waiting for i/o |
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| 15:55.38 | Supaplex | I suppose that's one of the reasons ntfs-3g didn't make it to stable |
| 15:55.40 | robboplus | i'm so hands down now |
| 15:55.46 | robboplus | he he |
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| 15:56.05 | robboplus | i had fun with it for about 40 seconds till it all went to hell |
| 15:56.29 | robboplus | died on 3rd file that i tried to copy |
| 15:56.44 | robboplus | and i'm just depressed now |
| 15:57.11 | Supaplex | why is a remote box so dependant on ntfs anyhow? |
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| 15:57.25 | Mundus | I've got 100% id |
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| 15:58.11 | scrav | i use ssh server, it cant stream files? if i wanna use a server for movies and such do i need samba? |
| 15:58.14 | robboplus | Supaplex i downloaded a vmdk image to it from another box to extract files |
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| 15:59.12 | Supaplex | ohhh that's your problem. vmware has a race condition |
| 15:59.12 | robboplus | Supaplex oh? |
| 15:59.12 | Supaplex | yes vmware-mount even tells you that |
| 15:59.12 | robboplus | so that's vmware that sucked horse dick here... |
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| 15:59.12 | leOn | hello all |
| 15:59.12 | abrotman | scrav: doesn't have to be samba .. and unless your ssh server is local .. i doubt your ISP would allow the samba ports incoming |
| 15:59.12 | robboplus | well it warned me on 2.4+ but i ignored that |
| 15:59.46 | Supaplex | there's a good bugreport on nbd somplace. it's more a nbd bug than vmware |
| 15:59.54 | robboplus | hm |
| 16:00.04 | robboplus | i'm totally lost.. |
| 16:00.14 | Supaplex | nbd is how vmware-mount runs |
| 16:00.17 | scrav | abrotman, its local! atm im downloading the movie instead of watching it :( |
| 16:00.37 | robboplus | Supaplex hm yes, that's a block device which vmware-mount utilizes indeed |
| 16:01.01 | leOn | how can i enforce that a certain disk has always the same device name?... i'm having trouble with the management of a local raid device and a san lun ... when the machine boots up, sometimes /dev/sda goes to the local disks, sometimes it goes to the san device |
| 16:01.11 | robboplus | so the device actually fscked up, then vmware-mount died, then ntfs-3g died... and i woke up with 100% utilized core and nice mess in mem :) |
| 16:01.23 | robboplus | ...and how about the DATA? :) |
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| 16:01.40 | Supaplex | robboplus: well, you have a backup, right? *groan* |
| 16:01.49 | robboplus | *hrhrh* |
| 16:01.54 | Supaplex | it might be ok, it's just a dirty filesystem |
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| 16:02.01 | robboplus | a 120GB image.. no, had no backup of it |
| 16:02.14 | robboplus | hm.. dirty fs you say |
| 16:02.23 | robboplus | ntfs was tagged as non-clean |
| 16:02.26 | robboplus | i forced it |
| 16:02.31 | robboplus | so perhaps that's the prob? |
| 16:02.42 | Supaplex | haha quite possibly |
| 16:02.57 | robboplus | and it was tagged like that because vmware died when it was mounted lol |
| 16:03.12 | robboplus | what a mess |
| 16:03.27 | Supaplex | ahh technology. isn't it wonderful? |
| 16:03.30 | robboplus | not sure what's next, can i just create a new nbd device and mount again? |
| 16:03.37 | robboplus | no, it's ridiculous :) |
| 16:04.06 | Supaplex | vmware-mount's too smart for that. |
| 16:04.12 | leOn | i.e. .. how can i make scsi device namings persistent ? |
| 16:04.16 | robboplus | but it's dead long ago.. i killed it |
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| 16:04.53 | Supaplex | leOn: you could mount it by uuid |
| 16:04.56 | Supaplex | !uuid |
| 16:04.56 | dpkg | i guess uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 16:05.00 | Brahman | Hi, is there anyway to find out if one of the servers on my network is using tcpdump for packet sniffing? |
| 16:05.42 | Supaplex | Brahman: w/o local access to it? |
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| 16:05.59 | robboplus | Supaplex wow... i created nbd1.. mounted... NO mount appeares :( but no error too |
| 16:06.08 | Brahman | Supaplex: yes just access to the network. |
| 16:06.28 | robboplus | oh wait it's there |
| 16:06.34 | robboplus | what a POS... |
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| 16:06.48 | Supaplex | Brahman: there are some security papers on that. it's very difficult to know, unless it does something obvious like attempt to dns resolve every ip you pass its way |
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| 16:07.24 | Brahman | Supaplex: do you have links to the papers or a recomended search cruiteria for google? |
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| 16:07.57 | robboplus | Supaplex i moved ~100MB... it died again... hopeless. |
| 16:08.36 | debian__ | What fun can my debian-box do? |
| 16:08.41 | debian__ | I'm boored... |
| 16:09.03 | nepbabu | !beer debian__ |
| 16:09.03 | robboplus | there is just ONE difference... now BOTH cores are 100% ROFL |
| 16:09.07 | Supaplex | Brahman: ohhh it's been a few years. those details are locked away deep in muh brain. I'll yelp if I remember any good googlefu for it. it might be something I found on packetstorm |
| 16:09.22 | robboplus | that's the funniest way to waste cpu i have seen and so easy to replicate :) |
| 16:09.30 | lleksah | debian__, when in root try rm -r -f / it's really fun |
| 16:09.52 | Supaplex | lleksah: no feeding trolls now |
| 16:09.53 | Brahman | Supaplex: I have a few servers in a data center, and am suspicious of 1 neigbouring server I have a feeling he is up to no good... scans and perhaps packet sniffing? |
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| 16:10.07 | lleksah | Supaplex, alright i'll keep them for easter then |
| 16:10.18 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 16:10.29 | abrotman | Brahman: it's might not be malicious |
| 16:10.31 | debian__ | lleksah: Ha ha... |
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| 16:11.02 | moshii | Brahman: you don't happen to be in a data centre in germany? ;) |
| 16:11.03 | PolitikerALT | I got a problem with make-kpkg: How can I tell it to ignore the rights of files |
| 16:11.22 | Supaplex | debian__: let's see. if the user is boring, does debian help? Is that your question? ;) |
| 16:11.25 | Brahman | moshii: nop, luckily for me ;-) |
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| 16:12.04 | moshii | not my box then |
| 16:12.09 | abrotman | Brahman: they could be running something like briding on that server |
| 16:12.12 | abrotman | bridging |
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| 16:12.50 | robboplus | [17:11:02] <moshii> Brahman: you don't happen to be in a data centre in germany? ;) |
| 16:12.58 | robboplus | what's wrong with DCs in .de? |
| 16:13.01 | robboplus | got 2 boxes there.. |
| 16:13.14 | Brahman | Supaplex: I have a feeling it's probably someone young just messing with there small server.... |
| 16:13.14 | moshii | robboplus: my machine in a dc in germany is loggin packets |
| 16:13.27 | Brahman | lol |
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| 16:13.43 | robboplus | i don't get it.. |
| 16:13.46 | Brahman | moshii: what are T&conditions of packet logging in datacenters in germany? |
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| 16:14.03 | moshii | Brahman: dunno, I canni read the german TOS they sent me |
| 16:14.08 | Brahman | in france it's strictly forbidden |
| 16:14.10 | robboplus | translate it |
| 16:14.11 | Brahman | hehehe |
| 16:14.21 | robboplus | Brahman btw do you have any boxen in .fr? |
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| 16:14.29 | robboplus | looking for a good DC there |
| 16:14.36 | moshii | robboplus: whats the point, they all say "no naugthy stuff, no irc, blah blah" |
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| 16:14.49 | robboplus | no irc? |
| 16:14.53 | Brahman | good providers are OVH... nice and cheap... |
| 16:15.01 | Brahman | they allow irc too... |
| 16:15.04 | robboplus | in .de i even tried some p2p not to mention irc :) |
| 16:15.07 | Supaplex | moshii: that's when you take it out on localhost and hack 127.0.0.1 until their eyes bleed |
| 16:15.16 | robboplus | and no complaints still :) |
| 16:15.17 | moshii | robboplus: irc turns into ddos |
| 16:15.23 | robboplus | oh hm indeed |
| 16:15.28 | debian__ | What is slashdot? |
| 16:15.35 | xushi | I have a RAID1 of 2 hard drives, but only one is showing to be in the /dev/md2 RAID (U_ instead of UU). This one is /dev/sdc. I also have /dev/sdb in the machine running fine which is supposed to be the other half of the raid... How can i add them up again? I tried `mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sdb /dev/sdc` but it says it can't because the raid is already active. |
| 16:15.35 | abrotman | debian__: slashdot.org ? |
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| 16:16.02 | xushi | sorry, _U i mean, instead of UU |
| 16:16.09 | robboplus | Brahman hm not sure about bandwidth with OVH though... saw 2 servers that were like hm 5mbit outgoing max |
| 16:16.23 | Blapto | xushi: have you tried failing the drive and then adding it? |
| 16:16.23 | moshii | Supaplex: localhost pisses me off, gah |
| 16:16.29 | robboplus | Brahman what do you think about dedibox? |
| 16:16.35 | debian__ | abrotman: I read something about debian, they was talking about slasdot... |
| 16:16.38 | xushi | Blapto: no, will that be safe ? |
| 16:16.44 | Blapto | Probably not. |
| 16:16.51 | Supaplex | !tell debian__ -about why debian |
| 16:16.52 | Blapto | But it's what I'd do. |
| 16:16.59 | xushi | I mean they're both still identical |
| 16:16.59 | Roobarb | xushi: having raid problems again? |
| 16:17.08 | Brahman | robboplus: not sure about dedibox, havent done much research into them lately , but when I did they were cheap and cheerful... |
| 16:17.12 | moshii | robboplus: servers I have in de are 100mbit uncapped until you hit 100TB transfer, then you're limited to 1mbit, groovey :) |
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| 16:17.26 | xushi | Roobarb: not quite.. I found out the problem after replacing 8 hard drives... it was the PSU that was dying on me |
| 16:17.36 | xushi | but now I'm re-assembling all the drives, and that's causing a pain |
| 16:17.36 | Roobarb | xushi: ouch! |
| 16:17.41 | Supaplex | xushi: ewwwuu |
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| 16:17.45 | xushi | lol yea |
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| 16:17.55 | Brahman | moshii: do they allow content streaming and mirroring? |
| 16:18.00 | Supaplex | xushi: time to introduce that psu to thermite |
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| 16:18.23 | xushi | I was thinking more TNT but i guess thermite is easier to make |
| 16:18.26 | faclon | which package I need to install to use dig to scan a domain record |
| 16:18.38 | moshii | Brahman: yeah, ran flv video for one of the big search engines out of there once |
| 16:18.40 | abrotman | dnsutils |
| 16:18.42 | xushi | I just need to figure out now how to re-assemble the working RAID disks .. like this _U problem |
| 16:18.50 | abrotman | !tell faclon about search |
| 16:19.23 | debian__ | 17:17 < Blapto> Probably not. |
| 16:19.24 | debian__ | 17:17 < Supaplex> !tell debian__ -about why debian |
| 16:19.24 | debian__ | 17:17 < Blapto> But it's what I'd do. |
| 16:19.24 | debian__ | 17:17 < xushi> I mean they're both still identical |
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| 16:19.45 | debian__ | sorry, putty makes me autopaste sometimes... |
| 16:19.55 | Roobarb | xushi: what does "mdadm -D /dev/md0" (or whtever the problematic raid device is) say ? |
| 16:20.02 | xushi | sec |
| 16:20.06 | Blapto | dig isn't the easiest thing to find though... look at dnsutils |
| 16:20.07 | Brahman | moshii: the only limits in current datacenter are on streaming and mirroring... apart from that it's no limits at all... |
| 16:20.40 | Brahman | quite good hardware for the money... |
| 16:20.57 | ix | Is anybody else using SSHFS to access their music archives over the internet, and is able to make me a recommendation of a decent MP3/OGG-player (!=mplayer, something a bit more interactive) which doesn't take *ages* to create a playlist, such as XMMS/Audacious does? |
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| 16:21.12 | xushi | Roobarb: presistence: superblock is presistent. State: clean, degraded. Number 0 = removed. Number 1 = active sync /dev/sdc1 |
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| 16:21.25 | Supaplex | ix: xmms2's pretty good imo |
| 16:21.25 | leOn | Supaplex: the problem is that i'm talking about multipath devices ... i endup having 4 different devices with the same uuid |
| 16:21.35 | Roobarb | xushi: can you pastebin the whole output ? |
| 16:21.37 | moshii | Brahman: 49 euro month for amd64x2 5xxx 2gig ram :) |
| 16:21.50 | moshii | Brahman: debian support, local repo in house etc |
| 16:21.57 | xushi | Roobarb: erm, it would be a bit difficult as the machine at the moment has no internet access, and no GUI |
| 16:22.09 | xushi | but I might find a way if you really want to |
| 16:22.15 | Brahman | moshii: do you need to be a german citizen/ resident? |
| 16:22.17 | xushi | actually, hang on, i can output the result to my usb stick |
| 16:22.49 | Roobarb | xushi: ok, well having one disk in state "removed" is a hint. Is the physical disk actually present and working ? |
| 16:22.52 | moshii | Brahman: apparently not |
| 16:23.06 | xushi | sec, i can paste it |
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| 16:24.02 | Brahman | moshii: do you have a company name for this great deal? |
| 16:24.14 | xushi | Roobarb: http://pastebin.ca/896376 And yes, it's present and working. Probably plugged into another SATA port than the original one though |
| 16:24.23 | moshii | Brahman: pm'ed :) |
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| 16:24.50 | Roobarb | xushi: ok, what device name is it? |
| 16:24.58 | Brahman | moshii: Thx. |
| 16:25.04 | leOn | i'm not entirely sure i can have several udev rules depending on a uuid rule which is shared across devices |
| 16:25.05 | xushi | the removed one? /dev/sdb |
| 16:25.25 | Gottox | Hi! small question about aptitude: can I somehow change the useragent for downloading? this firewall driving me crazy.... |
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| 16:25.56 | xushi | Roobarb: if it's easier just to nuke /dev/sdb, add it as a new one to the RAID, and let it re-sync from scratch i don't mind... :) |
| 16:26.00 | xushi | as long as i get the job done in the end |
| 16:26.10 | Roobarb | xushi: thats probably what you'll end up with |
| 16:26.13 | Roobarb | sec |
| 16:26.44 | leOn | Gottox: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ntlmaps |
| 16:26.59 | Brahman | moshii: will definately consider these guys when new server needs arise.. |
| 16:27.01 | Brahman | thx |
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| 16:27.19 | leOn | also http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-344721.html |
| 16:27.26 | leOn | might be of use |
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| 16:27.53 | Gottox | leOn: thx |
| 16:28.03 | moshii | Brahman: yup amazing stuff :) |
| 16:29.20 | ktwilight | hm, how do i get flash working on amd64 iceweasel? |
| 16:29.25 | ktwilight | debian etch. |
| 16:29.26 | Brahman | Supaplex: http://www.securityfriday.com/promiscuous_detection_01.pdf |
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| 16:29.44 | moshii | ktwilight: if you install the flash plugin it works, in testing/sid |
| 16:30.07 | ktwilight | moshii, it removes build-essential and linux-kernel-header, which i hope it doesn't. |
| 16:30.13 | Roobarb | xushi: ok, just replicationg your raid-1 in vmware |
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| 16:30.23 | moshii | ktwilight: really?? |
| 16:30.27 | vinc456 | I don't understand the backport caveat. Could somebody explain what it means? |
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| 16:30.31 | ktwilight | moshii, yes really :/ |
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| 16:30.36 | Roobarb | xushi: I have a raid-1 with the first disk listed as "removed" |
| 16:30.38 | xushi | Roobarb: i never got to ask you, how do you replicate a second hard drive in vmware ? |
| 16:30.39 | Supaplex | Brahman: cool. |
| 16:30.40 | ktwilight | moshii, what's the exact package you've installed? |
| 16:30.54 | Roobarb | xushi: add another one in the hardware config tabs |
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| 16:31.02 | ktwilight | moshii, flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 16:31.09 | xushi | heh, that's so cool i'm going to do it tonight :) |
| 16:31.09 | moshii | ktwilight: ii flashplugin-no 1:1.3 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin |
| 16:31.14 | xushi | anyway, back to the problem |
| 16:31.21 | Roobarb | xushi: I'm using multiple partitions on the same virtual disk, but thats just semantics for testing purposes |
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| 16:32.12 | ktwilight | moshii, k, do you have nspluginwrapper and ia32-libs-gtk? |
| 16:32.29 | Roobarb | xushi: http://pastebin.ca/896380 |
| 16:32.35 | Roobarb | xushi: thats how I got to where I am |
| 16:32.55 | Supaplex | Brahman: nmap has ways to inferring the load average to, but that only tells so much. not sure how accurate it is or what it's based on. eg, heavy traffic + sniffing = high load, but there are other reasons you'd have a high load. |
| 16:33.17 | Roobarb | xushi: "mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/hdb1" turns it back into a clean array |
| 16:33.34 | ktwilight | moshii, http://rafb.net/p/b0Hu7Q86.html |
| 16:33.36 | moshii | ktwilight: yar on both counts |
| 16:33.53 | ktwilight | moshii, makes me wonder why it wants to remove my lib6c too |
| 16:33.57 | Brahman | Supaplex: yeah just had to get my google-fu back |
| 16:33.58 | xushi | Roobarb: I see, It seems that there's no need to remove before you add. Let me check |
| 16:34.26 | Roobarb | xushi: thats because, in your case, the disk is already marked as removed |
| 16:34.33 | xushi | Roobarb: in my case, do you add /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 16:34.36 | Brahman | Supaplex: not sure about load... will read the paper more in depth tonight... |
| 16:34.48 | moshii | ktwilight: what is your base distro? I notice you're throwing -t testing in there |
| 16:35.01 | ktwilight | moshii, base is etch |
| 16:35.16 | ktwilight | moshii, but the linux is custom built, .22 |
| 16:35.17 | xushi | Roobarb: also, don't you need a --manage right after mdadm ? |
| 16:35.18 | Roobarb | xushi: whatever you had originally - judging by the working half of the array, sdb1 |
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| 16:35.25 | moshii | ktwilight: flashplugin-nonfree plus friends probably depend on a newer libc and that'll break your etch |
| 16:35.35 | Roobarb | xushi: --manage is assumed if you specify the array as the first argument |
| 16:35.38 | ktwilight | moshii, 'xactly. |
| 16:35.41 | moshii | ktwilight: you shouldn't mix etch and lenny |
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| 16:35.57 | Roobarb | xushi: this does assume /dev/sdb is partioned up correctly ? |
| 16:36.10 | ktwilight | moshii, am not mixing that much actually. everything is etch except madwifi and the kernel. i had no other choice, if not my machine won't run ;) |
| 16:36.30 | ktwilight | everything includes build-essential et al |
| 16:36.37 | xushi | Roobarb: yes I checked and it was. And it just re-added it. I checked with /proc/mdstat and it's re-synching it. |
| 16:36.40 | moshii | ktwilight: I have the same problem, I just run lenny |
| 16:36.44 | Roobarb | xushi: run "watch -n1 cat /proc/mdstat" in another window while you do this btw |
| 16:36.57 | xushi | One more thing, I remember there was a switch to edit in some file to speed up the synching, do you remember where it was ? |
| 16:37.12 | ktwilight | moshii, yea, but lenny still has some rough edges that i can't live with on a working environment |
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| 16:37.52 | moshii | ktwilight: hmm,debootstap a lenny chroot :) |
| 16:38.01 | vinc456 | i'm trying to install a backport of bzr using the instructions from http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:38.07 | ktwilight | moshii, ? something new... |
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| 16:38.32 | vinc456 | i've added the appropriate line to my sources.list but upon updating i get the error W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C' |
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| 16:38.38 | xushi | Roobarb: really man, I really appreciate your help with my data.. Thanks a lot. |
| 16:38.52 | xushi | you saved me a lot of panic and potential data loss |
| 16:38.57 | vinc456 | the recommendation is to run apt-get update |
| 16:39.09 | moshii | ktwilight: debootstap a lenny system into a directory and run firefox+flash out of there, you could even run a 32bit chroot to save yourself headaches |
| 16:39.18 | snacky | vinc456: /topic |
| 16:39.39 | snacky | or if topic doesn't help, you may have to ask the backports people? |
| 16:39.41 | ktwilight | moshii, besides what dpkg shown me, any good guides or docs for me to read up on? |
| 16:40.08 | Roobarb | xushi: as an aside, when you play with raid later, try creating a write-intent bitmap when you create a raid-1 and notice how much faster it is at resynching if you fail/remove the same device |
| 16:40.12 | RichiH | is there a command line tool you chuck two times at and it tells you how many hours ensued, in the meantime? |
| 16:40.17 | moshii | ktwilight: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 seems to give a rough outline |
| 16:40.40 | ktwilight | moshii, sweet, thanks.! |
| 16:40.46 | vinc456 | snacky: where are the backports people? |
| 16:40.57 | vinc456 | and what is topic? |
| 16:41.01 | xushi | Roobarb: I'll read up on that. From the looks of it, resynching needs until tomorrow.. I'll get back to you in the channel tomorrow with the results =] |
| 16:41.24 | Roobarb | xushi: "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --bitmap=internal --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/hdb1 /dev/hdb2" |
| 16:41.40 | Roobarb | xushi: I'll probably be afk (at home) over the weekend |
| 16:41.41 | abrotman | RichiH: like a timediff ? |
| 16:41.46 | Roobarb | xushi: feel free to PM me |
| 16:42.03 | RichiH | abrotman: aye |
| 16:42.22 | abrotman | RichiH: convert both to unix timestamps .. subtract .. reconvert ? |
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| 16:43.24 | RichiH | abrotman: true. i would prefer the hours to be floats, though |
| 16:43.35 | xushi | Roobarb: Sure thing. By the way, It's not advised to shutdown or reboot before the sync is complete, right ? |
| 16:43.59 | Roobarb | xushi: as long as its a controlled shutdown, you're fine |
| 16:44.25 | Roobarb | xushi: I'd always be happier shutting-down with a clean array though |
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| 16:45.16 | ServerSide | Do anyone know how can I disable "systems bips" ? If i do something wrong I hear an annoying system's bip..? |
| 16:45.18 | xushi | I'll wait this time.. The few times before i tried creating /dev/md5 with 2 other disks. Everytime I rebooted md5 didn't exist anymore. This time I'm copying data into it and waiting until it finishes syncing to make sure it's not a mistake from my end |
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| 16:45.32 | Roobarb | ah |
| 16:45.41 | abrotman | RichiH: hrm .. divide by 60 ? |
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| 16:45.45 | Roobarb | are your partitions type "fd" ? |
| 16:45.57 | Roobarb | and does your system scan for MD devices at boot? |
| 16:45.58 | RichiH | abrotman: yah, i'm layz |
| 16:46.02 | RichiH | zy, too |
| 16:46.04 | xushi | yes |
| 16:46.05 | abrotman | RichiH: if you have the difference .. divide the whole thing by secondds per hour |
| 16:46.28 | abrotman | RichiH: or ask #bash :) |
| 16:46.30 | xushi | Roobarb: off topic, are you with the army ? |
| 16:46.36 | Roobarb | xushi: you can geterate an /etc/mdadm.conf if you want |
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| 16:46.50 | Roobarb | xushi: no, why? |
| 16:47.00 | bruciemoose | ServerSide: sudo modprobe -r pcspkr |
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| 16:47.28 | xushi | i `whois`-ed you to see if you're eligible for a pint of guinness (if you know what i mean) or not, and the results were .. strange :) |
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| 16:48.05 | Roobarb | xushi: umm, in what way? |
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| 16:48.20 | Blapto | qinetiq aren't the army... |
| 16:48.20 | abrotman | RichiH: greycat said the same thing i did |
| 16:48.25 | xushi | it says your address is the Defence Research and Evaluation Agency in Worcestershire... |
| 16:48.43 | Roobarb | yeah, we need to update that |
| 16:48.51 | xushi | lol |
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| 16:48.54 | Roobarb | DERA doesn't technically exist anymore |
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| 16:49.06 | Roobarb | we became QinetiQ and DSTL |
| 16:49.24 | ServerSide | bruciemoose: ehrm, where is the shell file who is loaded at boot? :P |
| 16:49.29 | robboplus | is there such thing as umount --force or equiv? |
| 16:49.48 | ServerSide | mh, in fact no |
| 16:49.53 | ServerSide | i want to not load it |
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| 16:50.30 | ServerSide | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 16:50.31 | ServerSide | ? |
| 16:50.37 | bruciemoose | you could use that |
| 16:50.45 | bruciemoose | you might find it doesn't load after a reboot anyway |
| 16:51.48 | xushi | Roobarb, nice, maybe someday i'll send over my CV ;) |
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| 16:54.18 | aunes | hello all. anyone know why I wouldn't be able to edit files in /var/www if I'm a member of the www group and the permissions of the file are drwxrwxr-x 3 root www 4096 2008-02-07 08:36 www |
| 16:55.09 | Blapto | What's the permissions on the folder? |
| 16:55.25 | aunes | ... I just listed them? |
| 16:55.30 | aunes | drwxrwxr-x 3 root www 4096 2008-02-07 08:36 www |
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| 16:56.11 | aunes | I cd'd to /var/www (the folder I just listed) and I can't `touch test` I get a permission denied error. |
| 16:56.26 | hoxu | aunes, you are probably trying to modify files of other users on a web provider, while the admin was wise enough and mounted the partition read-only :P |
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| 16:56.33 | justin | aunes: does the 'id' command indicate that you are a member of teh www group? |
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| 16:56.54 | aunes | justin: oddly enough, no. |
| 16:57.05 | justin | not odd at all :) |
| 16:57.13 | aunes | do I need to logout and log back in for it to take affect? |
| 16:57.15 | hoxu | aunes, what made you think you were part of the www group then? |
| 16:57.17 | justin | yep |
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| 16:57.17 | hoxu | aunes, yes |
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| 16:57.31 | hoxu | aunes, or use newgrp, but it has side effect you don't want probably, so just relog |
| 16:57.48 | aunes | fixed. |
| 16:58.01 | aunes | Didn't realize group changes required a relog |
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| 17:01.37 | grendal_prime | whats a good general purpose ftp server.. |
| 17:01.57 | grendal_prime | something i can just set up one user...without worring about a shitload of security setup. |
| 17:02.00 | iosysman | One of the can spam act. |
| 17:02.01 | Roobarb | grendal_prime: they're ally reasonably good |
| 17:02.11 | abrotman | grendal_prime: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 17:02.52 | aunes | grendal_prime: I'm using proftpd now w/ webmin |
| 17:02.53 | hoxu | grendal_prime, if possible, prefer sftp (ssh) |
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| 17:03.48 | grendal_prime | hoxu: ya the stuff from the outside will use sftp. the problem is on the inside, the application uses ftp to move things around. and i cant change that |
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| 17:04.32 | moshii | grendal_prime: the lukemftpd would be good enough for that |
| 17:05.10 | vinc456 | what are linux kernel header files? |
| 17:05.29 | moshii | vinc456: linux-headers-* |
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| 17:05.57 | gordonjcp | vinc456: do you mean "what are they for?" |
| 17:06.14 | vinc456 | gordonjcp: yeah |
| 17:06.29 | gordonjcp | vinc456: they're a way of describing how to connect things up to the Linux kernel |
| 17:06.29 | vinc456 | ie) what will happen when i upgrade them |
| 17:06.44 | gordonjcp | vinc456: you should only upgrade them when your kernel upgrades |
| 17:06.52 | gordonjcp | s/when/with/ |
| 17:06.53 | moshii | vinc456: you should have the same version as the kernel you're running |
| 17:07.13 | moshii | vinc456: if you don't need to build modules you don't need them |
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| 17:09.00 | NightElf | î áîæå |
| 17:09.25 | NightElf | who is from russia ? |
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| 17:09.31 | jelly | !ru |
| 17:09.31 | dpkg | i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 17:09.32 | abrotman | !ru |
| 17:09.36 | iosysman | dpkg, This use had also expressed his views in the internet this sandbox effect doesnt actually exist and that is a network error between servers themselves usually employing an encryption standard called transport layer securitysecure sockets layer can be seen to be heard in the target measurement eg conversion rate to keep the information about the character in the. |
| 17:09.37 | dpkg | iosysman: what are you talking about? |
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| 17:09.39 | iosysman | dpkg, How you are usually a type of cloaking to be listed in popular search engines what not to enter the data sources application. |
| 17:09.40 | dpkg | iosysman: what are you talking about? |
| 17:09.44 | iosysman | Social media traffic can suffer major losses if the appropriate syntax 2 merging the results are to be processed and will in future be getting the referer logs since some search engines an effective spamtrap is not appealing about a new and evolving type of search engines algorithms or by serving a different page depending on what the user is reading while the super bowl xxxv. |
| 17:09.54 | jelly | abrotman: kik! |
| 17:10.02 | NightElf | jelly, hi |
| 17:10.11 | abrotman | iosysman: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:10.20 | jelly | I think iosysman is too |
| 17:10.28 | theatro | funny |
| 17:10.29 | NightElf | áðð |
| 17:10.36 | iosysman | NightElf: See also soku hi in kyoto school. |
| 17:10.52 | abrotman | iosysman: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:10.54 | jelly | NightElf: we spell in utf-8 here for great justice |
| 17:11.11 | NightElf | jelly, what? |
| 17:11.15 | NightElf | :) |
| 17:11.34 | jelly | NightElf: your "áðð" probably comes out wrong |
| 17:11.40 | iosysman | abrotman: Some wikis allow you to a corporate blog often tries to accomplish similar goals as press released do. |
| 17:11.48 | abrotman | iosysman: this channel is for Debian support |
| 17:12.01 | moshii | spambot |
| 17:12.05 | jelly | abrotman: er, why not just silence it |
| 17:12.07 | NightElf | jelly, translate on russia plz |
| 17:12.20 | abrotman | iosysman: i'm trying to see if it's bot or weird |
| 17:12.28 | jelly | NightElf: I don't know Russian, sorry |
| 17:12.30 | abrotman | bah .. jelly ^ |
| 17:12.35 | iosysman | Here the site as search results there is a process by which blog or forum software to create user names that all other files in engines like google andor openaccess governmentoperated or corporate websites are typically run by alices internet service provider dedicated to serving the information technology department of justice. |
| 17:12.44 | jelly | abrotman: you bot detecting foo is weak. |
| 17:12.46 | abrotman | works for me |
| 17:12.46 | jelly | your* |
| 17:12.52 | nosun | http://usera.imagecave.com/djpc47/turntable/ |
| 17:12.52 | jmut | pulseaudio. do I need this package to have audio running? |
| 17:13.00 | abrotman | jelly: yeah .. because we don't have random people doing stuff like that |
| 17:13.02 | theatro | NightElf, join #debian-russian |
| 17:13.05 | NightElf | jelly, from? |
| 17:13.06 | moshii | jmut: no. |
| 17:13.12 | jelly | abrotman: they're as good as bots! |
| 17:13.15 | NightElf | theatro, thx!!! |
| 17:13.16 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:14.12 | NightElf | jelly, from you ? |
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| 17:14.59 | jelly | NightElf: I'm not in the mood to chat, and this is not the right place to do it, sorry. |
| 17:15.18 | jmut | I run alsaconf, says all is configured correctly and all.. but If I try to run something I get xine: pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:98: pa_mutex_unlock: Assertion `pthread_mutex_unlock(&m->mutex) == 0' failed. on speaker-test I get some gurgling sound |
| 17:15.27 | jmut | google, not much of a help either. |
| 17:15.39 | jelly | heh, gurgling :-) |
| 17:15.44 | NightElf | jelly, okay. good luck |
| 17:15.49 | jmut | :) |
| 17:16.37 | jelly | NightElf: Thanks. Have a pleasant irc experience. |
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| 17:17.03 | NightElf | jelly, i have |
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| 17:17.43 | NightElf | jelly, I want to meet the girl, help me?? |
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| 17:18.12 | jmut | hm...with root I get this gurgling sound. with regular user I get Playback open error: -19,No such device |
| 17:18.19 | moshii | jelly: you've acquired a friend haha |
| 17:18.30 | jelly | that's just great |
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| 17:18.52 | moshii | jmut: for the root issue, add your user to the audio group |
| 17:19.10 | jelly | NightElf: you and me both, pal. I'm shutting up now. |
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| 17:19.37 | jmut | moshii: yep,thought of it ...on it |
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| 17:20.03 | NightElf | jelly, Prompt nick |
| 17:20.16 | NightElf | girl |
| 17:20.17 | NightElf | :) |
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| 17:20.53 | NightElf | moshii, pIRC 2.2 |
| 17:21.02 | ezguy | hi, i using debian xen and have problem creating centos4 guest |
| 17:21.25 | moshii | NightElf: thought you were a bot |
| 17:21.41 | moshii | ezguy: is the problem with centos or with the guestion creation scripts? |
| 17:21.51 | NightElf | moshii, i not bot! |
| 17:21.53 | ezguy | i got the following errors System installation failed. Aborting |
| 17:22.14 | ezguy | not sure, here is my xen-tools.conf file |
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| 17:22.36 | guillesawerty | hello?: newbie here. Looking for orientation about chkrootkiy output. |
| 17:22.41 | ezguy | http://pastebin.com/m34e6dcf2 |
| 17:23.07 | jelly | guillesawerty: Ah. chkrootkit often gives out false positives. |
| 17:23.24 | ezguy | i ran xen-create-image -hostname=mailserver -ip=10.0.0.21 -netmask=255.255.255.0 -gateway=10.0.0.1 -passwd |
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| 17:23.26 | guillesawerty | How I must interpret output? |
| 17:23.31 | moshii | ezguy: its using debians kernel? |
| 17:23.38 | ezguy | yes |
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| 17:23.44 | moshii | ezguy: will that work? |
| 17:23.49 | guillesawerty | chkrootkit output:http://www.rafb.net/p/3ISbb667.html |
| 17:23.58 | Yp3rite | jelly, guillesawerty try zeppoo instead of chkrootkit |
| 17:24.07 | ezguy | is there a problem with my xen-tools.conf file? |
| 17:24.20 | NightElf | where girl ?????????????????? |
| 17:24.48 | moshii | ezguy: I don't think so, but I also don't think a debian initramfs will boot centos |
| 17:24.49 | NightElf | Let's get acquainted |
| 17:24.56 | Yp3rite | guillesawerty, http://sourceforge.net/projects/zeppoo |
| 17:24.58 | Nyle | behave |
| 17:25.09 | moshii | NightElf: you've joined to wrong channel for girls |
| 17:25.16 | guillesawerty | I are installing zeppoo |
| 17:25.25 | ezguy | what? iam using xen |
| 17:25.35 | justin | ezguy: run the create imge program with --verbose |
| 17:25.54 | NightElf | moshii, What channel of the girl? |
| 17:26.12 | Nyle | whats with this kid? |
| 17:26.15 | moshii | NightElf: girls don't use irc, get a facebook account or something |
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| 17:26.18 | Mundus | I don't know |
| 17:26.21 | Nyle | yo, go to a bar, go buy some chic a drink and try to score |
| 17:26.27 | Nyle | why are you looking for women online? |
| 17:26.30 | Mundus | Doesn't freenode have a mute function? |
| 17:26.30 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you |
| 17:26.32 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:26.37 | Nyle | Mundus: /ignore |
| 17:26.44 | moshii | Nyle: go outside, sounds like effort man |
| 17:26.47 | Mundus | Nyle: That's an ignore function |
| 17:26.55 | NightElf | moshii, Here there are no girl? |
| 17:26.55 | Nyle | Mundus: mute only ops can do afaik |
| 17:27.11 | Nyle | moshii: well.. you aint gonna get laid without effort |
| 17:27.14 | Nyle | unless you got money |
| 17:27.16 | jelly | guillesawerty: chkrootkit show out anything possibly suspicious, it's up to you to determine if there's anything harmful. |
| 17:27.17 | jmut | hm. with reg user to audio group now it just halts :) |
| 17:27.21 | moshii | NightElf: if there are, they're either really hairy or way out of your range. |
| 17:27.35 | Nyle | thats why I go to bars with rahul |
| 17:27.36 | Nyle | ;) |
| 17:27.49 | Nyle | stews already married, he is no fun |
| 17:27.49 | Nyle | heh |
| 17:27.54 | NightElf | Karina - is girl!!!! |
| 17:27.54 | NightElf | suka pizdabol |
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| 17:28.23 | ezguy | here is the xen log file http://pastebin.com/m5a9a9bd1 |
| 17:28.45 | NightElf | moshii, Why you so have decided? |
| 17:28.54 | Mundus | Judging from his nick he's either a Dota or a WoW-kid, and the intelligence shown in his sentences suggests the latter |
| 17:29.18 | Nyle | Mundus: that was uncalled for |
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| 17:29.30 | Nyle | NightElf: do you have a debian related question? |
| 17:29.35 | moshii | ezguy: debootstrap can create centos systems now? |
| 17:29.37 | ezguy | looks like i missinge the centos4 script No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/centos4 |
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| 17:29.48 | NightElf | Nyle, no |
| 17:29.54 | jelly | Nyle: swearing in a slavic language is just another confirmation of the diagnosis given by Mundus :-) |
| 17:29.55 | guillesawerty | I can't access http://www.zeppoo.net/ ¿is offline? |
| 17:30.01 | moshii | ezguy: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/centos4 |
| 17:30.03 | justin | ezguy: ohh, no |
| 17:30.06 | Nyle | jelly: yes yes |
| 17:30.12 | jmut | can someone run speaker-test and tell me sound is good...or it is ok as soon as there is any sound at all |
| 17:30.14 | Nyle | jelly: ga och knulla en hund! (not you of course) |
| 17:30.20 | justin | ezguy: you did onfigure it wrong |
| 17:30.22 | Nyle | *swedish* |
| 17:30.23 | ezguy | when can i get the all the centos scripts? |
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| 17:30.41 | justin | ezguy: you told it to install the debian version 'centos4' instead of actually telling it to install centos |
| 17:30.43 | Nyle | slavik, svensk, its all the same to me, since I don't it anyway |
| 17:30.49 | Nyle | know* |
| 17:30.58 | Nyle | amd64 good to go |
| 17:31.00 | NightElf | lol |
| 17:31.03 | Nyle | now to fullly configure my desktop |
| 17:31.07 | NightElf | all noob |
| 17:31.16 | moshii | NightElf: of what? |
| 17:31.28 | jelly | fin rumpa, Nyle |
| 17:31.38 | Nyle | jelly: and to your wonderful family too |
| 17:31.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:31.44 | NightElf | moshii, ? |
| 17:31.48 | Nyle | hehehe j/k |
| 17:31.52 | NightElf | moshii, you |
| 17:31.58 | NightElf | and all |
| 17:32.00 | jelly | Nyle: yes I do believe they all have nice asses :-) |
| 17:32.03 | Nyle | lol |
| 17:32.05 | moshii | NightElf: nood == newbie == someone new at <insert something here> |
| 17:32.11 | ezguy | got other distros scripts except centos |
| 17:32.12 | ezguy | http://pastebin.com/m54c27904 |
| 17:32.31 | moshii | NightElf: so, noob at <fill the blank> |
| 17:32.45 | Nyle | life? |
| 17:32.50 | Nyle | noob at life? |
| 17:32.55 | NightElf | moshii, You in general understand what I write? |
| 17:32.58 | moshii | ezguy: those are all debian |
| 17:33.20 | moshii | NightElf: not really, I'm winding you up because I'm twisted |
| 17:33.32 | ezguy | when can i get centos bootstrap scripts for debian xen? |
| 17:33.42 | Nyle | man |
| 17:33.43 | justin | ezguy: read the xen-tools documentation |
| 17:33.45 | guillesawerty | ezguy: I are running CentOs 5. Can I hep you? (i'm a newbie) |
| 17:33.46 | Nyle | i have to wait half hour for the weedman |
| 17:33.48 | Nyle | fuck! |
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| 17:33.59 | NightElf | moshii, From what you of the country? |
| 17:34.12 | Nyle | NightElf: go away. |
| 17:34.14 | ezguy | guillesawerty: please how do i install centos5 |
| 17:34.15 | moshii | NightElf: the land of girl |
| 17:34.21 | Nyle | moshii: stop. |
| 17:34.27 | NightElf | Nyle, fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 17:34.43 | Nyle | !ops NightElf is being disruptive to the channel |
| 17:34.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: NightElf is being disruptive to the channel |
| 17:34.49 | guillesawerty | ezguy: what trouble you have? |
| 17:34.57 | NightElf | :P |
| 17:35.01 | Nyle | I saw the scripts |
| 17:35.17 | moshii | ezguy: you need to read the docs, debootsrap sure as hell won't install an centos system |
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| 17:35.38 | NightElf | moshii, It is difficult to write? |
| 17:35.47 | moshii | ezguy: also, later you may have problems trying to run centos on a debian initramfs, but that remains to be seen. |
| 17:35.56 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 17:36.04 | ezguy | do can i create xen centos5 guest |
| 17:36.05 | Nyle | centos? xen? have fun :) |
| 17:36.15 | justin | ezguy: ues, read the xen-tools documentation |
| 17:36.20 | NightElf | Nyle, You ֌ to me have stuck? :) |
| 17:36.23 | jelly | NightElf: this channel is for Debian support. Go to #defocus to chat |
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| 17:37.18 | NightElf | jelly, what it is deabian ? |
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| 17:38.22 | guillesawerty | ezguy: do you are configuring a Virtual machine? CentOS xen is for virtual machines only |
| 17:38.24 | jelly | !tell NightElf -about debian |
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| 17:39.55 | ezguy | debian xen kernel domain |
| 17:40.16 | moshii | ezguy: you need to read the documentation |
| 17:40.16 | ezguy | want to setup/create a centos udom |
| 17:40.46 | ezguy | yes, iam finding the doc to read up |
| 17:40.47 | moshii | ezguy: if you can't/won't do that pay someone that knows how to do it for you. |
| 17:41.05 | guillesawerty | ezguy: and, if you boot a virtual machine, and load the centos ISO, you get ....? |
| 17:41.48 | moshii | guillesawerty: xen isn't full machine emulation |
| 17:41.56 | justin | moshii: it's both |
| 17:42.07 | ezguy | haven't try the iso yet but i try using the cd install and it failed (cause the system to reboot) |
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| 17:42.21 | moshii | justin: hvm yes, but you don't want that for linux based guests |
| 17:42.44 | ezguy | iam running full virtualization (hvm) |
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| 17:42.58 | ezguy | i got a svm proc and running xp now |
| 17:43.08 | ezguy | xp virtual |
| 17:43.17 | moshii | ezguy: is this for a production box or playing? |
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| 17:43.29 | watr | quick question about ipTables. if you have a block all command above an allow command, will iptables ignore the allow command? |
| 17:43.30 | moshii | ezguy: playing - just use kvm. |
| 17:43.30 | ezguy | testing box |
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| 17:45.25 | moshii | ezguy: for the centos vm did you try installing it as a hvm, it will crash if it tries loading an unpatched kernel otherwise |
| 17:45.47 | ezguy | i want to set virtual scyld cluster using centos4 or 5 |
| 17:45.55 | guillesawerty | ezguy: Do you tried to install on a physical PC, booting you real BIOS, Put Physical CD, and started installing CentOS? |
| 17:46.24 | moshii | guillesawerty: sort of *not the point* |
| 17:46.44 | ezguy | guilleswaerty: i have centos running on other system, why? |
| 17:47.06 | guillesawerty | All: excuse me. I was later on the stuff. |
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| 17:48.23 | blueD | I tried to install the rt kernel from musix, how will I get that thing in my grub? |
| 17:49.19 | wols | blueD: update-grub if it's a deb |
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| 17:49.37 | wols | but simply installing the kernel should have been sufficient |
| 17:49.42 | guillesawerty | ezguy: maybe you need go to #CentOS. |
| 17:49.48 | wols | if that all fails: hand editing your menu.lst |
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| 17:51.22 | blueD | wols, ive installed linux-source, linux-headers and linux-image... |
| 17:51.41 | wols | linux-image is the kernel |
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| 17:51.54 | blueD | ok |
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| 17:57.28 | muszek | hi |
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| 17:58.00 | muszek | I have an empty partition, 2.34GB... will it be enough for debian testing? |
| 17:58.25 | moshii | muszek: just about |
| 17:58.38 | muszek | moshii: thanks |
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| 17:59.01 | muszek | and 2nd question: how does one install unstable? testing iso => dist upgrade? |
| 17:59.43 | muszek | cause I don't see images for unstable on the site... |
| 17:59.45 | Cliph | Hi, I'm making a Debian package with checkinstall but my postinst file doesn't get included in the package, how do I make sure it does? My postinst file exists in debian/postinst, I've also tried having it called <packagename>.postinst |
| 17:59.51 | wols | you do not install testing with a testing ISO |
| 18:00.39 | wols | muszek: you install stable and upgrade |
| 18:00.39 | muszek | wols: ? from download section @ debian.org: Official CD/DVD images of the testing distribution (regenerated weekly) |
| 18:01.04 | wols | those are for testing the testing installer, not for testing |
| 18:01.17 | moshii | wols: they do install testing though |
| 18:01.19 | wols | the lenny installer had bugs before |
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| 18:02.04 | muszek | hmmm... I'm affraid I'm gonna run out of space if I install stable and then dist-upgrade |
| 18:02.31 | muszek | anyways, thanks guys for your answers |
| 18:02.41 | moshii | muszek: just don't install too much, but the debian-installer snapshots will install testing |
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| 18:03.12 | wols | do not us tasksel when you are space concious |
| 18:03.18 | blueD | wols, I think my grub is made from another debian partition on my second harddisk... |
| 18:03.40 | wols | blueD: where is your menu.lst? |
| 18:04.02 | muszek | oh... here's another one: in case I find debian unstable to be more stable than Ubuntu 7.10 (sucky ipw3945 drivers freeze my laptop)... is dist-upgrading from Ubuntu to testing or stable possible? |
| 18:04.16 | moshii | muszek: no |
| 18:04.25 | blueD | wols, I've more partitions with several distro's, so there are more |
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| 18:04.52 | muszek | moshii: thanks |
| 18:04.57 | blueD | wols, but the menu.ls which let the current grub show up is on my second harddisk |
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| 18:07.47 | muszek | crap.... 28 CDs :). if I don't go overboard with packages selection (just base+gnome), will the first cd be enough? |
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| 18:07.56 | moshii | muszek: yes |
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| 18:08.18 | Akatemik | What could cause a boot to be infernally slow? |
| 18:08.53 | Akatemik | Old mb broke, so trying to work the system back up with new mb and cpu, same hd |
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| 18:09.48 | Akatemik | Things happen quite quickly until "Freeing unused kernel memory". After that it's 50-100 times slower than used to be with the old hw |
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| 18:10.15 | moshii | Akatemik: does it boot in the end? |
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| 18:10.55 | Akatemik | It did, yesterday, quite lot faster too. But today I haven't made it to the finish yet |
| 18:11.26 | Akatemik | I stopped a couple of times to undo any changes I might've made (resetted bios, for example), and am now waiting |
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| 18:11.44 | Akatemik | The only change from yesterday I can't change easily is the bios upgrade |
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| 18:12.09 | moshii | Akatemik: try updating the initramfs images |
| 18:13.24 | Akatemik | If I can make it boot while it's still today :/ |
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| 18:17.01 | P4C0 | hello, does anyone know if package postgresql-7.4 7.4.14-2 have initbd?? or if this have been renamed?? i can't find initdb |
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| 18:17.34 | P4C0 | initdb |
| 18:17.46 | Akatemik | apt-file can show you what's in a package |
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| 18:19.19 | monra | Hello. I just did apt-get install bittorent and bittorent-gui but although i din't take any error I cannot run bittorent command(there is no such command) ... Any ideas? |
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| 18:23.18 | monra | disconnected. any ideas? |
| 18:23.21 | nollidj | monra: try dpkg -L bittorrent-gui and dpkg -L bittorrent to see what files they installed |
| 18:23.29 | wols | moshii: dpkg -L <package> |grep bin |
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| 18:23.59 | monra | nollidj and wols i see that none of them is installed |
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| 18:24.14 | wols | then you haven't installed anything |
| 18:24.34 | wols | !info bittorrent etch |
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| 18:24.45 | chairmeleon | does anyone know if there is a repository of more recent kernels for debian lenny? |
| 18:24.48 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-10 (etch), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
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| 18:26.02 | abrotman | chairmeleon: more recent than what? |
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| 18:26.17 | abrotman | chairmeleon: .22 is there now .. .24 will there RSN |
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| 18:26.31 | abrotman | !why is linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 not in testing |
| 18:26.31 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 18:27.03 | addup | Hi - Where can I get the Gnome Live CD iso? The http://torrent.gnome.org/ link isn't working for me |
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| 18:27.29 | wols | addup: why would you ask debian of all places? |
| 18:27.29 | monra | wols: hmm? look this ... just tried bitorando http://dpaste.com/34342 |
| 18:27.37 | nollidj | is one of the mirrors of ftp.us.debian.org down? |
| 18:27.42 | ppmstr | he. I have a dual core and I wish to know which process is running on which processor, is there a display option to ps or top that can specify that? |
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| 18:28.11 | chairmeleon | abrotman: No, I was just thinking as recent as possible, or really just something else than 2.6.22, since it has some sort of annoying bug on my machine and won't set time correctly |
| 18:28.42 | addup | d'HUH - I'll check the ftp site |
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| 18:29.15 | Asmooh | how is debian + ati? im getting crazy about windows |
| 18:29.27 | wols | as shitty as linux + ati |
| 18:29.34 | Asmooh | hm |
| 18:29.34 | Asmooh | ok |
| 18:30.06 | rgsteele | Hey folks - what's the best way to grab the dependencies of a package in a nice, neat list? I could do an 'apt-cache show <package> | grep Depends', but it seems to me there's probably a better way I'm not aware of. |
| 18:30.07 | monra | wols: but bitornado not where to be found |
| 18:30.09 | Asmooh | because everything on this pc is ati |
| 18:30.16 | Asmooh | chipset, video |
| 18:30.18 | Asmooh | everything |
| 18:30.18 | Asmooh | ;x |
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| 18:30.40 | wols | monra: it helps when you are able to spell corrently |
| 18:30.51 | ppmstr | ok I found out. pressing one while running top gives a per cpu process breakdown |
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| 18:31.35 | moshii | weldone to that guy, he is a hero to us all. |
| 18:31.58 | chairmeleon | I know the opinion is very likely to be a bit biased since I'm asking in here, but what do you guys think of latest Ubuntu vs Debian Lenny, performance-wise? |
| 18:32.09 | monra | does anybody know why this problems happens? |
| 18:32.35 | wols | why you can't spell? that's beyond the ability of science |
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| 18:32.58 | moshii | chairmeleon: performace will be 30 times better in ubuntu because of their name. |
| 18:33.14 | wols | moshii: good idea |
| 18:33.18 | simonrvn | @moshii++ |
| 18:33.24 | chairmeleon | moshii: I see :D lol |
| 18:34.09 | addup | sorry wols - it's been a long day - I was looking for a "debian-live" disk, and found out that "gnome-live" base debina based, so i figured - never mind :) |
| 18:34.12 | themill | rgsteele: also look at apt-cache depends (and apt-rdepends) |
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| 18:34.28 | bert_ | hi, is there a channel for asking questions about pgp stuff ? |
| 18:34.30 | rgsteele | themill: Thanks. |
| 18:34.39 | wols | !tekk addup about debian based |
| 18:34.44 | wols | !tell addup about debian based |
| 18:34.44 | azeem | bert_: this is the wrong channel to ask that question :P |
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| 18:35.11 | azeem | bert_: there's #gnupg |
| 18:35.20 | bert_ | yeah I know azeem but it sounds so stupid to ask questions like "what does all the PGP signed mail mean" |
| 18:35.28 | bert_ | in the debian channel |
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| 18:35.38 | bert_ | I'll look at I'll gnupg channel then |
| 18:37.50 | addup | in that case - is there a "one true debian live CD" ? Or is that just a silly q? I've used Sarge a while back and am stuck with a windows PC that I can't re-image ... Oh and please tell me if I'm asking in the wrong forum |
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| 18:39.09 | valdyn | !debian live |
| 18:39.10 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:39.14 | moshii | addup: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 18:40.09 | addup | doesn't that need a functional debian system to start with? |
| 18:40.42 | addup | that you can then package as a "live" one? |
| 18:41.19 | Akatemik | Second paragraph of their page: "Although the Debian Live project is about the framework to create your own customized Live system, we offer some prebuilt images." |
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| 18:41.52 | addup | no lenny :( http://live.debian.net/cdimage/lenny-builds/ |
| 18:42.12 | moshii | Akatemik: you mean those crazy letter-looking symbols having a hidden meaning? |
| 18:42.22 | simonrvn | addup: so? |
| 18:42.34 | simonrvn | lenny is *testing* |
| 18:42.46 | dkr | lenny *is* testing |
| 18:43.04 | addup | I'm looking for a fairly recent debian "live" |
| 18:43.11 | addup | no sid http://live.debian.net/cdimage/sid-builds/ :( |
| 18:43.27 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 18:43.46 | addup | All I gots is http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:43.47 | simonrvn | what's wrong with etch exaactly? |
| 18:44.06 | simonrvn | s,aa,a, |
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| 18:44.23 | addup | nothing, I'm sure... I just want to know what the bleeding edge looks like |
| 18:44.39 | simonrvn | dripping with blood, what else |
| 18:44.45 | moshii | addup: vm not an option? |
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| 18:45.41 | moshii | addup: even microsoft have a free vm thingy you could install a play debian into |
| 18:45.49 | Qwell | Is there a way during an apt-get upgrade to say "don't change all of my system fonts"? |
| 18:45.51 | addup | nope - Need a CD --- Or maybe a flash based live image |
| 18:46.20 | simonrvn | Qwell: *blink* |
| 18:46.39 | robbbot | ctrl-c |
| 18:48.43 | Qwell | simonrvn: I'll take that as a no :) |
| 18:49.16 | Qwell | OCD + random crap changing = bad |
| 18:49.37 | simonrvn | i can only imagine :/ . |
| 18:50.23 | simonrvn | the fonts don't change unless fontconfig messes with them, or you change environments |
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| 18:50.40 | Qwell | nope, still gnome.. the default fonts from a lenny install a few months back |
| 18:51.53 | simonrvn | what can also influence them is the dpi setting in x, and gnome can change it too |
| 18:52.20 | Qwell | nope, the xchat incoming text window still looks fine - that font did not change (it has it's own setting) |
| 18:52.26 | cahoot | IIRC the cause is a fix of an earlier fonconfig |
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| 18:52.33 | cahoot | bug |
| 18:52.42 | Qwell | so, can I go back somehow? |
| 18:52.47 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:52.59 | simonrvn | er, that yeh was to cahoot |
| 18:53.11 | simonrvn | Qwell: what changed? |
| 18:53.18 | Qwell | everything. |
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| 18:53.33 | Qwell | including my Konsole (I use gnome for everything else) font. |
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| 18:53.58 | simonrvn | not very descriptive :) |
| 18:54.12 | Qwell | not a whole lot more I can describe. every font I'm used to changed... |
| 18:54.18 | cahoot | Qwell: the fonts tool in gnome doesn't help you? |
| 18:54.39 | simonrvn | size, shapes, rendering? |
| 18:54.41 | abrotman | this is why you just don't choose fonts .. just take what comes :) |
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| 18:54.45 | Qwell | cahoot: the "Appearance" app, you're referring to, I assume. No, I can't find anything suitable. |
| 18:54.58 | Qwell | abrotman: I didn't choose fonts - they were the defaults from a lenny install ;) |
| 18:55.10 | simonrvn | i use dejavu a lot |
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| 18:55.23 | Nyle | thats all I use |
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| 18:55.40 | Nyle | unfortunately KDE/Qt can't pickup the alternative 'Condensed' style AT ALL |
| 18:55.44 | Nyle | Gnome/Gtk2 can |
| 18:55.54 | simonrvn | plus i have some in ~/.fonts and some extras i installed |
| 18:56.00 | Nyle | so I have to manually copy DejaVuSericCondensed.ttf to DejaVuSerif.ttf |
| 18:56.07 | Nyle | then it works in KDE |
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| 18:56.21 | Nyle | I forgot the bug# I filed, but thats the workaround I posted |
| 18:56.40 | Qwell | so, if fontconfig "fixed" a bug, can I...unfix said bug? |
| 18:56.55 | abrotman | that seems counterproductive :) |
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| 18:57.02 | Qwell | so does changing ones fonts :) |
| 18:57.13 | abrotman | as long as you can read them ... |
| 18:57.14 | Nyle | simonrvn: whats kickin' man |
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| 18:57.32 | Qwell | abrotman: read and use are very different |
| 18:57.41 | simonrvn | not much right now |
| 18:57.47 | Nyle | simonrvn: hot latina chic gave me her #, and I didn't even ask for it. I guess I'm too sexy for my ... |
| 18:57.54 | erle__ | anyone having problems with the latest apache2 from testing? starts but segfaults, I read a post that was suggesting libaprutil1 from unstable... |
| 18:57.55 | Nyle | like out of the blue |
| 18:58.08 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 18:58.40 | blueD | I've installed debian lenny on a second harddisk.... I think the grub is made when I installed that. But I want to change the grub and use the menu.lst from my first harddisk |
| 18:58.42 | r0tu | I'm using chroot and getting this error... anyone know why? chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 18:58.55 | Nyle | similar thing happened to me last time I went out with rahul, but I refused to do anything with her |
| 18:59.05 | Nyle | simonrvn: I got 3 interviews next week for sysadmin positions |
| 18:59.11 | simonrvn | Qwell: use, as in artwork or such? |
| 18:59.13 | Nyle | man I got a huge smile on my face |
| 18:59.22 | Qwell | simonrvn: see above about the whole OCD thing :p |
| 18:59.34 | simonrvn | Nyle: congrats. sounds like you had a good week |
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| 19:00.07 | Nyle | yeh |
| 19:00.08 | Nyle | thanks |
| 19:00.26 | erle__ | r0tu: that seems to suggest it cannot run exec from the chroot... diff platforms? x86/ x64... though im not too sure on that. |
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| 19:00.38 | simonrvn | Qwell: well a) i'm not a psychologist b) so i can't help you with that |
| 19:00.42 | Nyle | Hi, |
| 19:00.42 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.43 | Nyle | We would like to discuss this position further with you. To save time at the interview, our client requests that you take our 3-part, online tests. Once you have completed the tests they will get forwarded to our agency. |
| 19:00.47 | Nyle | wtf is this man |
| 19:00.50 | Nyle | i just got an email |
| 19:01.01 | Nyle | well, I guess it might go faster than I expected |
| 19:01.18 | Nyle | but what tests |
| 19:01.19 | Qwell | simonrvn: what was this bug in fontconfig that was fixed? |
| 19:01.20 | Nyle | wtf is this? |
| 19:01.25 | r0tu | erle__: I am trying to setup my netwinder, it does not have a CDROM drive and is ARM. I am doing this from a USB drive plugged into my x86 machine with deb etch on it. |
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| 19:01.38 | Nyle | personality tests? |
| 19:01.39 | Nyle | wtf |
| 19:01.45 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 19:01.52 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just modified my xorg.conf to use the |
| 19:01.55 | simonrvn | Qwell: i don't know. i didn't know it was broken, though it seems plausible there was a bug. |
| 19:02.00 | moshii | Nyle: that's so managers can use there dodgy quals on you |
| 19:02.01 | Nyle | I strongly disagree with everything. thats my answer to all the questions |
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| 19:02.09 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:02.13 | simonrvn | cahoot: do you happen to know which bug you were refering to? |
| 19:02.38 | erle__ | r0tu: then it almost certainly seems to be that, unfortunately I cannot help you with a solution. i usually switched to booting an x86 on my 64 to solve that, but on arm........... ???? |
| 19:02.39 | cahoot | simonrvn: I'm searching for the post in debian-user |
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| 19:02.55 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just modified my xorg.conf to use the 'sis' driver/module so glxgears now runs smoothly - at least for 3 seconds. Can someone help me get improved performance so that I can run ie. GL-screensavers ? I'm not sure what graphics card I have, except it is SiS |
| 19:03.03 | simonrvn | Nyle: those things can be totally faked... choosing random choices for each one |
| 19:03.07 | simonrvn | cahoot: ah ok |
| 19:03.16 | moshii | Nyle: seriously, one of my ex-bosses did all these "mind games" quals,.. he thought a good way of developing boss / employee relations was to touch me all the time. :/ |
| 19:03.29 | simonrvn | Jemt: lspci |
| 19:03.37 | Nyle | moshii: are you a hot chic? |
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| 19:03.54 | moshii | Nyle: no, so thats why it was really really wrong |
| 19:04.04 | Nyle | damn |
| 19:04.04 | r0tu | erle__: Yeah, I was thinking that, buthad to make sure. |
| 19:04.10 | Nyle | man |
| 19:04.12 | Jemt | My graphic card: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 65x/M650/740 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter |
| 19:04.14 | Nyle | if you were a hot chic, I'd touch you |
| 19:04.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 19:04.22 | Jemt | simonrvn, Thanks :) |
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| 19:04.31 | maddler | hey all |
| 19:04.43 | simonrvn | Jemt: s'ok |
| 19:04.58 | moshii | Nyle: watch out for the "mmm he blinks at nHz, that means he'll steal our pencils" type managers ;) |
| 19:05.16 | erle__ | Jemt: that card has no DRI support, sorry, im stuck with one on my older laptop, mesa-gl should help you with gl-screensavers though... |
| 19:05.39 | Jemt | erle__, Thank you very much. I |
| 19:05.49 | Jemt | erle__, Thank you very much. I'll look into mesa-gl :) |
| 19:06.03 | erle__ | Jemt: welcome........ |
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| 19:08.49 | moshii | hmm x needs so way of less-terminally dying. I hate loosing everything |
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| 19:10.38 | cusco | would anybody know how to set any computer sound to be forwarded to the audio capture interface? |
| 19:11.14 | abrotman | !info vsound etch |
| 19:11.18 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
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| 19:11.56 | Akatemik | moshii: Got tired of the boot, put a live cd in |
| 19:11.58 | Akatemik | That works |
| 19:12.22 | Akatemik | Better than anything so far too, since it works with the sata drives too, and without any kernel parameters nor bios tweaking |
| 19:12.26 | cusco | thanks abrotman |
| 19:12.37 | Akatemik | To there's hope, I just need to find out why the installed system is crapping out |
| 19:12.48 | abrotman | cusco: at least .. i think that's what you were asking for |
| 19:12.55 | cahoot | Qwell: I can't find the original posting on the fon issue - but this convo might be of use for you: http://readlist.com/lists/lists.debian.org/debian-user/32/160027.html |
| 19:13.11 | Akatemik | I could reinstall, but then I wouldn't know what was wrong. This is still the first debian install I made, so wouldn't want to break that legacy :) |
| 19:13.16 | cusco | abrotman: I too think that is what I am asking for.. tho it doesn't seem to be in lenny! :/ |
| 19:13.26 | abrotman | !why is vsound not in testing |
| 19:13.26 | dpkg | vsound is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=vsound |
| 19:13.49 | abrotman | cusco: been removed from debian .. |
| 19:13.54 | moshii | Akatemik: cd is running from cd not your drvies interface... bad settings/drivers for whatever your rootfs is attached to maybe |
| 19:13.55 | cusco | ouch |
| 19:14.05 | MrRoland | I would love to install debian, i just have to drive like 600 to do so |
| 19:14.42 | moshii | MrRoland: you're on the internet now, You should be able to install debian |
| 19:15.03 | Akatemik | moshii: MAybe, hard to say. The problems begin even before init, so difficult... |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | cusco: though i don't see why |
| 19:15.13 | Akatemik | Also the live cds have custom kernels with possibly unusual patches |
| 19:15.17 | Akatemik | But there's hope... |
| 19:15.21 | moshii | Akatemik: that's kernel then |
| 19:15.35 | Akatemik | I can only hope that I have time to solve this properly and learn from it |
| 19:15.57 | cusco | abrotman: would you know any other form of piping the produced sound to a capture device? |
| 19:16.04 | cusco | or nevermind that ... |
| 19:16.06 | abrotman | cusco: bummer .. that was the only one i knew of .. but apt-cache search capture audio perhaps |
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| 19:16.38 | MrRoland | moshii nope the server i want to do that is like 600 km, does anybody know how-s that thing with remote management via serial ? like bios etc |
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| 19:22.07 | cahoot | cusco: FWIW I can capture any sound played using arecord (or ecasound) - at least on my audigy |
| 19:22.47 | The_Dr | HI I was trying ot install KDE but errors occurred which I found out later was no space left on the drive (partition). I tried to remove gnome but it asks me to run dpkg --configure -a. This just egenrates more errors and doesnt fix the problem, because of no space left on the device. I cant apt-get remove anyhing or login to KDE?? HELP!!!\ |
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| 19:23.30 | valdyn | The_Dr: try apt-get clean |
| 19:23.31 | slept | I need some help fileing a bugreport , I am not sure which package I should file it against. When I want to use german spell checking in texmacs it doesn't work because it can't find the right aspell dictionary. If i copy usr/lib/aspell/german.alias to ngerman.alias it works. Now I am not sure which package is misbehaving ... any ideas ? |
| 19:23.47 | valdyn | The_Dr: watch if that frees up some space |
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| 19:25.27 | The_Dr | valdyn: thanks ill try it out. Must say I love debian on my imac, its cool |
| 19:25.30 | cusco | ok thanks cahoot I will look ionto it |
| 19:26.08 | Nyle | http://paste.debian.net/48728 <-- my xorg.conf I can't seem to be able to figure out why I have 2560x1024 @ 60Hz, when I really want 1600x1200, and 1280x1024 respectively on each individual monitor. |
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| 19:27.10 | Nyle | with xinerama or ATI horizontal desktop etc. |
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| 19:28.18 | Nyle | in fact, iirc, it used to once upon a time give me 3200x1200 w/o dead space on the smaller monitor |
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| 19:29.23 | cahoot | cusco: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.misc/browse_thread/thread/b5ddfbe1aa11c448/3f297e71d765d5df?hl=sv&lnk=st&q=linux+recording+direct+from+dsp#3f297e71d765d5df |
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| 19:29.48 | Nyle | anyone? |
| 19:30.00 | slept | Nyle, Monitor "DELL needs " for closing |
| 19:30.10 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:30.16 | slept | look at your file |
| 19:30.18 | slept | typo |
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| 19:30.29 | Nyle | line # please |
| 19:30.31 | Nyle | thanks |
| 19:30.37 | Nyle | I see |
| 19:30.57 | Nyle | good catch bro |
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| 19:31.17 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 19:31.36 | SamuraiDio | how cn i change the icon from an app, the app provided icon, not the menus one? |
| 19:31.46 | xuser | Nyle: what debian release? |
| 19:31.57 | Nyle | um |
| 19:32.16 | Nyle | lenny/sid |
| 19:32.22 | Nyle | exec - -o echo `cat /etc/debian_version` |
| 19:32.34 | Nyle | sid |
| 19:32.39 | xuser | how did you get fglrx working? |
| 19:32.42 | The_Dr | valdyn: I am surprised I removed gnome and it only freed up 22MB, is it truly that small?? |
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| 19:32.44 | xuser | you downgraded xorg? |
| 19:32.50 | Nyle | !fglrx |
| 19:32.50 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. See http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-Debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1. Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable. See also <fglrx 2.6.21>. |
| 19:33.00 | simonrvn | The_Dr: no |
| 19:33.00 | Nyle | see the downgrade part of the factoid |
| 19:33.03 | Nyle | I added that. :) |
| 19:33.17 | The_Dr | simonrvn: So obviusly I left some junk on there? |
| 19:33.23 | twiggz | momma says ati is da devil. |
| 19:33.34 | Nyle | momma also said little girls were the devil |
| 19:33.38 | xuser | Nyle: downgrade went smooth? |
| 19:33.40 | The_Dr | twiggz: ur momma would agree |
| 19:33.42 | Nyle | momma also said vicky valencourt was the devil |
| 19:33.48 | Nyle | well, momma's wrong |
| 19:33.50 | Nyle | again |
| 19:34.01 | The_Dr | twiggz: ATI is the devil - Logo = red = devil |
| 19:34.08 | twiggz | little girls are the devil. 15 will get you 20. |
| 19:34.15 | twiggz | momma was right. |
| 19:34.17 | Nyle | oh no thats not what I meant |
| 19:34.18 | The_Dr | twiggz: ewwwwwww |
| 19:34.23 | twiggz | YOURE WRONG |
| 19:34.29 | Nyle | its a line from adam sandlers movie |
| 19:34.32 | Nyle | The Waterboy |
| 19:34.49 | The_Dr | Nyle: Adam Sand is cool |
| 19:34.54 | twiggz | yeah, im from louisiana....they did a poor job on accents...ive never heard anyone speak like farmer fran. |
| 19:35.00 | Nyle | yo |
| 19:35.04 | Nyle | im from baton rouge louisiana |
| 19:35.06 | twiggz | it was funny though. |
| 19:35.15 | twiggz | Nyle, i went to redemptorist HS on plank road. |
| 19:35.16 | Nyle | lsu campus around east state st |
| 19:35.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:35.20 | The_Dr | twiggz: LOL!!!! Ummm hillbilly? |
| 19:35.22 | Nyle | hah |
| 19:35.26 | twiggz | my sister graduated from lsu. |
| 19:35.31 | Nyle | plank road |
| 19:35.31 | Nyle | damn |
| 19:35.35 | Nyle | thats like ghetto |
| 19:35.37 | Aces1up | if i have a directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/images how do image http://domainname/images point to that directory? |
| 19:35.43 | twiggz | yep |
| 19:35.49 | Nyle | around airline highway |
| 19:35.56 | The_Dr | Im in New Zealand - nothing but us kiwi here |
| 19:35.59 | twiggz | well, its between plank rd and N foster drive. |
| 19:35.59 | Nyle | my mom used to own the subway across from souther university campus |
| 19:36.06 | twiggz | (redemptorist) |
| 19:36.07 | Nyle | ye i know |
| 19:36.15 | Nyle | I fucked some chics there back in highschool |
| 19:36.19 | Nyle | when i was slingin dope |
| 19:36.33 | Nyle | some of the ghettoest white chics ever man |
| 19:36.39 | The_Dr | Nyle: Ur on IRC, debian channell, I highly doubt you have even had sex, other than your hand |
| 19:36.52 | Nyle | I'm married to my hand for life dude |
| 19:37.00 | Nyle | but it cheat on it occasionally |
| 19:37.08 | twiggz | Im on a debian channel... |
| 19:37.11 | abrotman | The_Dr: stop already |
| 19:37.20 | Nyle | anyway |
| 19:37.26 | Nyle | I can't really restart X right now |
| 19:37.39 | The_Dr | Nyle: Tryusing your hand on the mouse |
| 19:37.39 | Nyle | so I can't test to see if the missing " closing was causing the resolution fuckup |
| 19:37.45 | Aces1up | if i have a directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/images how do image http://domainname/images point to that directory? |
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| 19:37.58 | abrotman | Aces1up: that's an Apache alias |
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| 19:38.35 | Aces1up | i know my system points /cgi-bin to use/lib/cgi-bin but it can't seem to resolve the images directory within the cgi-bin directory. |
| 19:38.43 | Aces1up | how do i map that directory too? |
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| 19:40.26 | ServerSide | !away |
| 19:40.26 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 19:43.10 | The_Dr | How do I completely uninstall gnome from the apt-get command line? I have tried gnome gnome-utils gnome-core gnome-desktop-data gnome-desktop-environment, but the damn thing is still there |
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| 19:43.52 | abrotman | !remove gnome |
| 19:43.52 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about <install gnome>), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 19:43.54 | twiggz | purge |
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| 19:47.36 | Jemt | Greetz. I have installed xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl, but there are still screensaver I can't select. What package(s) do I need ? |
| 19:48.02 | dkr | Jemt: there are a lot of screensavers provided by their own standalone programs |
| 19:48.14 | The_Dr | !install kde |
| 19:48.14 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, kdebase is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall |
| 19:48.37 | abrotman | The_Dr: you can msg the bot |
| 19:48.58 | The_Dr | abrotman: Yeah I wanted to know the apt-get command to install kde |
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| 19:49.07 | abrotman | The_Dr: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 19:49.32 | The_Dr | LOL |
| 19:49.33 | Jemt | dkr: Oh, okay |
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| 19:50.53 | multi_io | does the kernel these days call modprobe when it wants to load a module? |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:51.25 | multi_io | abrotman: ok. Is there an easy way to log those calls? |
| 19:51.48 | abrotman | you can see which modules are loaded |
| 19:52.03 | simonrvn | if the module printks text it'll be in syslog |
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| 19:52.19 | simonrvn | and you can alway look at lsmod |
| 19:52.22 | multi_io | yeah, I don'T mean that |
| 19:52.42 | multi_io | I want to see the actual command line to figure out which alias was used, for example |
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| 19:53.12 | multi_io | is there a way to influence the environment variables that that modprobe process gets? |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | multi_io: maybe syslog .. but i'm not sure .. maybe ask ##kernel |
| 19:54.09 | simonrvn | i don't think you can do that... see modprobe's manual to be sure |
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| 19:57.08 | simonrvn | !tell ezguy -about search |
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| 19:57.40 | ezguy | i'll do apt-cache search on it |
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| 20:00.50 | raju | http://www.raju.redio.de |
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| 21:01.00 | Flundernator | hi |
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| 21:01.15 | Timo^ | dondelelcaro : latter ? |
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| 21:01.38 | Timo^ | what must i do with the resolvconf ? |
| 21:01.41 | Flundernator | can i have some support here? |
| 21:01.58 | chops | Flundernator: Depends on what you need help with. |
| 21:02.06 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: resolvconf -a fooiface; then nameserver 194.151.228.34^D or simlar. |
| 21:02.18 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: in the future, that will all happen automatically. |
| 21:02.20 | chops | Flundernator: If your fridge is acting up, we may not be able to assist :-) |
| 21:02.27 | Flundernator | need help with my Debian Webserver |
| 21:02.41 | Timo^ | the command resolvconf -a fooiface is not working |
| 21:02.42 | abrotman | Flundernator: we need more details |
| 21:02.47 | Flundernator | jep |
| 21:02.48 | chops | !tell Flundernator about ask-to-ask |
| 21:02.54 | Flundernator | need the problem in english |
| 21:03.00 | Flundernator | thanks for your patience1^^ |
| 21:03.35 | abrotman | Flundernator: there is a debian german channel also if that is easier for you |
| 21:03.39 | Flundernator | these letters are not displayed äöü |
| 21:03.53 | Flundernator | not in the shell |
| 21:03.59 | Flundernator | and not in webpages |
| 21:04.09 | Flundernator | dont know what to change in de configuration |
| 21:04.14 | Flundernator | the |
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| 21:04.23 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: what is the precise thing you are entering? |
| 21:04.33 | Timo^ | the line you gave me |
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| 21:05.18 | Flundernator | öhm abrotman, wtf, why do you that im german?^^ |
| 21:05.26 | streuner | http://channel.debian.at/faq/ <-- read that, there should be something about umlauts |
| 21:05.37 | Flundernator | oh thx |
| 21:05.53 | Timo^ | dondelelcaro : which lines must i execute ? |
| 21:06.17 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: fooiface should be replaced with whatever interface is your default one, probably eth0 or eth1. |
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| 21:06.38 | Timo^ | eth0 is my default |
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| 21:07.16 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: you then enter things like nameserver 194.151.228.34<enter>nameserver blahblah<enter><control-d> |
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| 21:07.20 | Timo^ | where can i find fooiface ? |
| 21:07.26 | Flundernator | sry but there isn't desicribed my problem in the faq |
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| 21:07.32 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: it's a stand-in for eth0 |
| 21:07.39 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: so resolvconf -a eth0; |
| 21:07.45 | Flundernator | i dont want to write umlauts i want to display them |
| 21:08.13 | chops | Timo^: 'foo' indicates that something shouldn't actually be typed as specified, but is a standin for what's actually being discussed (in the case it means "eth0 or eth1 or what-have-you") |
| 21:08.15 | dondelelcaro | Flundernator: which terminal are you using? What is your locale set to? |
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| 21:08.45 | Flundernator | öhm |
| 21:08.54 | Flundernator | where can i find the german debian irc? |
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| 21:09.00 | chops | !de |
| 21:09.00 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 21:09.19 | {cyborg} | Hi, it seems aptitude doesn't correctly handle recommended deps when I run aptitude install -R xx, any hint ? |
| 21:09.48 | chops | {cyborg}: What do you mean by, "correctly?" What does it do and what do you expect it to do? |
| 21:09.57 | Timo^ | dondelelcaro : the command resolvconf -a fooiface hangs and gives no output |
| 21:10.11 | Timo^ | same as resolvconf -a eth0 |
| 21:10.24 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: it doesn't hang. It's waiting for input on STDIN |
| 21:10.32 | {cyborg} | chops: aptitude selects dependencies which it should not because of the -R option |
| 21:10.46 | chops | {cyborg}: Can you pastebin the session where it's selecting the incorrect dependencies? |
| 21:10.48 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: re-read what I said above about what to enter, and it should all become clear |
| 21:11.07 | {cyborg} | chops: for example, aptitude install -R kdebase puts in kdm, which is a recommended depency... |
| 21:11.14 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 21:11.26 | chops | {cyborg}: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:11.33 | {cyborg} | chops: sid :p |
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| 21:12.11 | {cyborg} | chops: I dunno it's meant for testing and it might not work, but this is really a strange behavior |
| 21:12.26 | Miesco | Is ntpdate a good client for syncronizing to a time server? |
| 21:12.35 | {cyborg} | chops: and the bug reproduces for any package which has recommends |
| 21:12.56 | chops | {cyborg}: Can you pastebin the session? Offhand that sounds like a bug to me. |
| 21:13.01 | chops | Miesco: Yes |
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| 21:13.35 | {cyborg} | chops: I'm on it |
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| 21:13.55 | Miesco | chops: Okay and whats a good reliable time server? |
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| 21:14.09 | chops | Miesco: pool.ntp.org |
| 21:14.13 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 21:14.24 | Miesco | chops: Thank you |
| 21:14.26 | Timo^ | dondelelcaro : still waiting on the output |
| 21:14.31 | streuner | Miesco: ntp.nasa.gov |
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| 21:15.01 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 21:15.05 | abrotman | Miesco: pool.ntp.org |
| 21:15.22 | Tramp | why not <tld>.pool.ntp.org? |
| 21:15.24 | joltcan | <countrycode>.pool.ntp.org for more local ones |
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| 21:15.34 | joltcan | Tramp: Tld was the word I was looking for :) |
| 21:15.35 | abrotman | Tramp: if his country can even tell time .. |
| 21:15.43 | chops | Miesco: np |
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| 21:16.04 | Timo^ | dondelelcaro : howlong does it going to take ? |
| 21:16.16 | Tramp | abrotman: there is something in US/CA relations an outsider does not understand .... 8) |
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| 21:17.51 | abrotman | Tramp: well .. i didn't know he was .ca when i said that :) |
| 21:18.34 | Tramp | abrotman: ah... |
| 21:18.43 | Timo^ | chops. : i should remove resolvconf ? |
| 21:18.51 | Timo^ | to get my old standards back ? |
| 21:19.01 | Timo^ | or is there a way to fix it without it ? |
| 21:19.25 | Timo^ | cuz resolvconf -a eth0 takes to long for a'n output |
| 21:19.39 | chops | Timo^: I haven't been paying attention, sorry. Are you giving any input to 'resolvconf -a eth0'? |
| 21:19.40 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: then hit ^D |
| 21:19.52 | chops | Timo^: I remember someone telling you that it was not taking long; it was waiting for your input. |
| 21:20.20 | Timo^ | ah. |
| 21:20.30 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 21:20.32 | Timo^ | sorry |
| 21:20.33 | chops | Timo^: You should keep resolvconf if your nameservers change, and remove it if they don't. The advice you've been getting here seems spot-on to me if your nameservers do change frequently with your network configuration. |
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| 21:20.57 | chops | Timo^: (Or if they don't -- but using resolvconf is overkill if just dropping your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf is sufficient for your needs) |
| 21:21.07 | Timo^ | nameservers do not change they are always the same |
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| 21:22.10 | Timo^ | chops ok :) |
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| 21:23.02 | Tramp | purge, not remove. Otherwise it will probably leave resolv.conf a link which will confuse later |
| 21:23.20 | Timo^ | ok |
| 21:23.24 | Timo^ | thanks |
| 21:23.38 | techouse | can anyone here help me with some cross-compiling advices? i'm trying to make a 64bit x264.exe in debian using mingw32 |
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| 21:24.42 | abrotman | techouse: that's a bit outside the realm of this channel |
| 21:24.49 | dondelelcaro | even if they don't change, you should use resolvconf in my opinion, but it's up to you. |
| 21:25.13 | Timo^ | hmm yes. |
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| 21:25.30 | dondelelcaro | you've pretty much got it configured properly now anyway |
| 21:25.31 | Timo^ | but can you help me further with that then..! |
| 21:25.41 | Timo^ | cuz |
| 21:25.57 | Timo^ | the command gives no input output what so ever |
| 21:25.58 | {cyborg} | chops: http://pastebin.com/m6e17dafb |
| 21:25.58 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: after you ran resolvconf -a eth0; what are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 21:26.02 | Timo^ | its just blank screen |
| 21:26.11 | Timo^ | nothing |
| 21:26.14 | Timo^ | this : |
| 21:26.15 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: it won't give you any output. It just takes input for putting in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:26.18 | dondelelcaro | Timo^: do not paste here. |
| 21:26.48 | Timo^ | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 21:26.48 | Timo^ | [21:36] <Timo^> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 21:27.08 | Timo^ | thats what in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:27.21 | Timo^ | sorry |
| 21:27.26 | Timo^ | it where not more then 3 lines |
| 21:27.33 | Timo^ | thaught that whas the max out here |
| 21:27.34 | Timo^ | :) |
| 21:27.51 | dondelelcaro | if you're totally lost, which you appear to be, echo -e 'nameserver 194.151.228.34\nnamserver 194.151.228.18\n'|resolvconf -a eth0; |
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| 21:28.43 | {cyborg} | chops: notice there is, for example, kdm in the selection, which is a recommends |
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| 21:29.15 | chops | {cyborg}: Right |
| 21:29.42 | chops | {cyborg}: You can try entering 'wkdm' at the "Y/n" prompt... |
| 21:30.00 | chops | {cyborg}: I have a feeling it'll say "No justification for kdm could be constructed," though |
| 21:30.06 | chops | {cyborg}: It sounds to me like a bug |
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| 21:30.26 | {cyborg} | chops: i'm currently searching if it hasnt already been reported |
| 21:30.27 | DawnLight | is there any reason why gparted would be confused by an lvm lv? |
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| 21:31.09 | Timo^ | ok. |
| 21:31.18 | Timo^ | yeah i am a bit confused |
| 21:31.28 | Timo^ | but it keeps me learning ;) |
| 21:31.45 | DawnLight | confusion is your best friend, don't you know |
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| 21:32.35 | vinc456 | is it possible to find packages by tag? aptitude search seems to go by name |
| 21:32.36 | DawnLight | i can't remember whether i've ever said anything stupider than that |
| 21:32.54 | {cyborg} | chops: bug was already filed, number 448561 |
| 21:32.56 | jelly-home | DawnLight: because it doesn't support lvm well, yet? |
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| 21:33.40 | DawnLight | jelly-home: support? it is a normal block device to it. at least it should be |
| 21:33.46 | dondelelcaro | vinc456: yes, aptitude search can search by tag too. |
| 21:33.58 | DawnLight | at least i assume it should be |
| 21:34.21 | DawnLight | i know that i assume that it should be |
| 21:34.33 | Timo^ | ok fixed it think |
| 21:35.09 | kkmaslowski | anyone using 2.6.24? I've updated from 2.6.23 and it's booting much slower |
| 21:35.17 | vinc456 | the option is ~Gtag |
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| 21:35.52 | DawnLight | kkmaslowski: do you have a good reason to upgrade to packages that are not stable? |
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| 21:36.44 | kkmaslowski | i'm using sid, so it is normal;-) with 2.6.24 i don't have any problems with s2ram |
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| 21:38.47 | Akatemik | Using stock debian kernel seems to resolve a lot of problems, but my raids don't initialize |
| 21:39.03 | Akatemik | Running without /usr and /var doesn't fly so well, obviously... |
| 21:39.20 | Akatemik | There doesn't appear to be a channel for mdadm, though |
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| 21:39.40 | cameronm | is there a non-interactive version of top? i'm basically looking for a way to spit out the processlist in order of cpu-usage |
| 21:40.09 | dondelelcaro | cameronm: use ps and sort by the appropriate field |
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| 21:40.48 | cameronm | dondelelcaro: of course, i was just going through the ps manual now. thanks (i always forget about the sort options) |
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| 21:42.00 | Akatemik | But anyone have an idea why mdadm wouldn't find devices it needs for assembling arrays with stock kernel, while it worked with my own? |
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| 21:45.34 | dondelelcaro | Akatemik: because the module to detect those devices wasn't available at the time of assembly (probably wasn't present in the initrd for whatever reason) |
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| 21:47.55 | IronManMario | what's an IM thing that debian can use |
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| 21:48.22 | Malf | IronManMario: pidgin |
| 21:48.28 | IronManMario | oh |
| 21:48.28 | Akatemik | dondelelcaro: Two arrays are online |
| 21:49.04 | IronManMario | E: Couldn't find package pidgin |
| 21:49.12 | IronManMario | >:( |
| 21:49.21 | Akatemik | I have four altogether, /, usr, var and file server area. usr and var didn't assemble |
| 21:49.39 | kkmaslowski | IronManMario: so write gaim |
| 21:49.53 | Malf | IronManMario: Yeah it's probably still gaim for your version |
| 21:49.54 | IronManMario | I'm trying to get on msn, not aim |
| 21:50.05 | Malf | IronManMario: gaim does msn |
| 21:50.11 | siimo | gaim is older version of pidgin so does everything |
| 21:50.12 | kkmaslowski | gaim is multi-protocol app |
| 21:50.32 | abrotman | IronManMario: try gaim |
| 21:50.40 | Miesco | I set up exim4 with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, I set my smtp smarthost to smtp1.sympatico.ca, and I am using fetchmail to get my pop mail from gmail (I had this working before but I reinstalled debian) here is the delivery error: http://pastebin.com/m70ea6d83 Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 21:51.26 | Akatemik | Trying to mount them manually and it seems like mdadm isn't checking hds at all, only sds |
| 21:51.46 | abrotman | Miesco: your smarthost isn't going to be able to send that email |
| 21:54.17 | Miesco | abrotman: How come? |
| 21:54.30 | twiggz | i like quod libet. |
| 21:55.02 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me whether man resize2fs in sid has the mistake "the following the"? i'd like to report a bug if it does |
| 21:55.37 | ehc | if I have a .profile file and I make changes to it how can I "restart" the profile without logging out and back in? |
| 21:55.55 | Miesco | abrotman: wait, I ran update-exim4.conf and I think it works now\ |
| 21:56.07 | IronManMario | why does it mess up bash so much if I cat a program |
| 21:56.09 | JoshH | ehc: type ". .profile" |
| 21:56.11 | IronManMario | it's weird |
| 21:57.18 | dkr | IronManMario: some random bits accidentally are the same as terminal control codes |
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| 21:57.54 | dkr | bash isn't messed up by it. your terminal is |
| 21:58.52 | IronManMario | I mounted a floppy disk, how do I see what's in it from the terminal? it's not in /mnt |
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| 21:59.27 | dkr | IronManMario: then where did you mount it? /media? |
| 21:59.30 | IronManMario | ya |
| 21:59.39 | dkr | so look there. heh |
| 22:00.02 | dkr | ls /media/floppy |
| 22:00.06 | IronManMario | k |
| 22:00.08 | IronManMario | ty |
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| 22:02.24 | IronManMario | why does it just say 'permission denied' when I try running a program off of a floppy disk |
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| 22:02.57 | Badger | IronManMario: move it off of the disk, or do it as root if you aren't? |
| 22:02.58 | IronManMario | >:( |
| 22:03.04 | IronManMario | I'm doing it as root |
| 22:03.45 | Badger | um, chmod, chown? not sure |
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| 22:03.53 | dkr | it's probably beenmounted with the noexec option |
| 22:04.00 | IronManMario | ??? |
| 22:04.11 | dkr | the mount command will show you |
| 22:04.11 | IronManMario | I just typed mount /media/floppy0 |
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| 22:04.39 | IronManMario | meh this is getting boring. |
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| 22:05.38 | dkr | "running a program off of a floppy disk" I haven't even heard a phrase like that in almost a decade. :) |
| 22:06.01 | abrotman | boring? |
| 22:06.30 | dkr | abrotman: making a slender hole in the ground,of course |
| 22:06.41 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:06.44 | ServerSide | next gen web here : http://www.backbase.com/products/ajax_demos/ watch the vid |
| 22:07.02 | abrotman | ServerSide: please don't spam |
| 22:07.23 | ServerSide | ok "-.6 |
| 22:07.27 | DawnLight | SSS=Server Side Spamming |
| 22:07.36 | ServerSide | lol... |
| 22:07.40 | Miesco | Is there an easier way to set up users to have public_html in there home with apache2 now? |
| 22:07.45 | ServerSide | sorry guys ^^ |
| 22:07.50 | Miesco | Like load a module or something |
| 22:07.59 | Oxygenetik | i have vmware tools rpm that i want to install on a deb machine. i've download rpm with apt-get rpm, but when i do "rpm -i VmwareXXX.rpm", it says that i need /bin/sh, but i already have it |
| 22:08.06 | DawnLight | ServerSide: you know debian? |
| 22:08.06 | Oxygenetik | is there other way to install it? |
| 22:08.08 | Wyzard | Miesco: a2enmod userdir |
| 22:08.27 | DawnLight | ah, you do |
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| 22:08.29 | dkr | Oxygenetik: alien |
| 22:08.34 | Oxygenetik | thanks :) |
| 22:08.35 | DawnLight | good night |
| 22:08.37 | ServerSide | DawnLight: omg what's that |
| 22:08.40 | ServerSide | Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.24-1-686 running KDE 4.0.0, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz at 2001 MHz (3989 bogomips), HD: 84/144GB, RAM: 1966/2026MB, 131 proc's, 14.45h up |
| 22:08.41 | ServerSide | :o |
| 22:08.46 | ServerSide | oh yes, i got it! |
| 22:09.10 | goauld | Sysinfo for 'atlantis': Linux 2.6.24.atlantis.v52 running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz at 800 MHz (4388 bogomips), HD: 64/232GB, RAM: 652/2010MB, 112 proc's, 2.21h up |
| 22:09.13 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: I've always just used the tarball installer... I don't really like installing non-packaged stuff, but VMware Tools installs and uninstalls cleanly on its own |
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| 22:09.50 | ServerSide | i wonder why intel ouputs are tabbed |
| 22:09.56 | goauld | saerverside activate power saving features! |
| 22:10.09 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: I'd rather use a generic installer than a package made for some other distro |
| 22:10.09 | goauld | serverside u forgot to activate power saving features! |
| 22:10.57 | Oxygenetik | Wyzard i think there's no generic installer.. it has a tgz, but i need the kernel sources and i cannot afford to download it |
| 22:11.00 | Miesco | Wyzard: Thanks! |
| 22:11.09 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: The RPM won't get you around that |
| 22:11.22 | ServerSide | goauld: wth? lol |
| 22:11.23 | Oxygenetik | the tgz has the source |
| 22:11.41 | Oxygenetik | but i do not need a stable system by now... it's just for testing :p |
| 22:11.48 | Oxygenetik | if it works, it's all right |
| 22:11.50 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: VMware Tools includes several kernel modules, and to build a kernel module you need the headers (not actually the entire source) of the kernel you're currently running |
| 22:11.59 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: The RPM does not include the headers to your running kernel |
| 22:12.07 | Oxygenetik | hm |
| 22:12.11 | Oxygenetik | i hope i have the headers :x |
| 22:12.20 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: Those are available as packages -- apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 22:12.26 | Oxygenetik | oh thanks :) |
| 22:12.29 | goauld | serverside: my laptop is working with fan turned OFF 99% of the time, very silent! |
| 22:12.32 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: They follow the same naming convention as the linux-image packages that contain the compiled kernels |
| 22:12.41 | goauld | i think this is not ur case |
| 22:13.00 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: If you install e.g. linux-headers-2.6-686, you'll always have the latest headers (just like linux-image-2.6-686 keeps your kernel up-to-date) |
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| 22:13.30 | salvin | is it possible to up an interface at boot only if the link is up? |
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| 22:13.52 | Wyzard | salvin: apt-cache show ifplugd |
| 22:14.00 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 22:14.02 | HardDisk_WP | i have alsa sound driver with alc268 |
| 22:14.04 | HardDisk_WP | VLC plays sound |
| 22:14.06 | HardDisk_WP | but UT2004 which uses OpenAL is mute |
| 22:14.12 | HardDisk_WP | how can I find out how to reconfigure openal to use correct sound?? |
| 22:14.20 | bolt | holy shit. it works. 7.1 speakers, two graphics cards and two sound cards. |
| 22:14.21 | Wyzard | salvin: Leave the "auto" declaration out of your interfaces file, and ifplug will ifup/ifdown automatically |
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| 22:14.31 | Wyzard | salvin: or, on a desktop system, use NetworkManager |
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| 22:14.42 | ServerSide | goauld: oh, my cpu goes to 2Ghz just when that's needed. |
| 22:15.15 | nollidj | my cpu goes to 11 |
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| 22:15.36 | nollidj | HardDisk_WP: you could check out details on an openalrc in your home dir |
| 22:15.51 | nollidj | HardDisk_WP: i don't have ut2k4 installed anymore, so i don't think i can help with much more |
| 22:15.56 | tingle | hello, is it possible to install java runtime environment on debian etch? i kinda need for browsing.. |
| 22:16.18 | Akatemik | So, anybody have an idea why mdadm assembles only some arrays at boot? |
| 22:16.28 | Wyzard | tingle: yes, it's in non-free |
| 22:16.32 | Wyzard | tingle: apt-cache search sun-java |
| 22:16.34 | goauld | serverside , i see ur CPU is working at 2.0 GHZ now |
| 22:16.53 | goauld | type /sysinfo again and see |
| 22:16.54 | ServerSide | yes |
| 22:16.57 | ServerSide | Sysinfo for 'debian': Linux 2.6.24-1-686 running KDE 4.0.0, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz at 1200 MHz (3989 bogomips), HD: 84/144GB, RAM: 1962/2026MB, 131 proc's, 14.53h up |
| 22:17.02 | ServerSide | you see :) |
| 22:17.06 | goauld | Sysinfo for 'atlantis': Linux 2.6.24.atlantis.v52 running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU T7500 @ 2.20GHz at 800 MHz (4388 bogomips), HD: 64/232GB, RAM: 654/2010MB, 112 proc's, 2.29h up |
| 22:17.09 | tingle | Wyzard: does this support firefox or does firefox support this app? im not really sure what way it is |
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| 22:17.16 | ServerSide | it just increase Hz when needed! |
| 22:17.16 | IronManMario | hi |
| 22:17.18 | Wyzard | nollidj: I have a different soundcard than you, but UT2004 sound works fine for me in sid |
| 22:17.28 | IronManMario | lol, i seriously just pwnd one of my friends |
| 22:17.32 | Wyzard | tingle: The browser plugin is in sun-java5-plugin IIRC |
| 22:17.39 | Wyzard | tingle: which depends on sun-java5-jre |
| 22:17.46 | IronManMario | He's on windows and I'm on linux |
| 22:17.49 | goauld | what programs are u running so it need working at 1200 ? -ur confing is wrong |
| 22:17.55 | IronManMario | I sent him a .bat file |
| 22:17.57 | tingle | Wyzard: cool thanks ill install them both |
| 22:17.57 | nollidj | Wyzard: i was responding to HardDisk_WP... |
| 22:18.01 | salvin | Wyzard, but i can check that only at boot? |
| 22:18.01 | IronManMario | that turns off the computer |
| 22:18.12 | IronManMario | and leavs a message saying 'lol i pwnd you' |
| 22:18.15 | goauld | mine is working at 800 all the time, only jumps to 1200, or 2200 if needed |
| 22:18.15 | IronManMario | cool huh? |
| 22:18.19 | Wyzard | nollidj: oops :-) |
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| 22:18.27 | Wyzard | HardDisk_WP: I have a different soundcard than you, but UT2004 sound works fine for me in sid |
| 22:18.36 | HardDisk_WP | nollidj, k...that's possible^^ |
| 22:18.38 | HardDisk_WP | nollidj, there is no .openalrc |
| 22:18.49 | Wyzard | I have no .openalrc either |
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| 22:19.03 | Oxygenetik | nice. the kernel sources are within the cd :D |
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| 22:19.03 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, nollidj i first started ut with no alsa soundcard (driver wasnt working)...but even rm'ing .ut2004 didnt bring me back the sound |
| 22:19.22 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: What CD? |
| 22:19.32 | HardDisk_WP | Wyzard, in the intro screen the robot mine for example |
| 22:19.38 | abrotman | IronManMario: do you have a debian question? |
| 22:19.44 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: and remember, you need linux-headers, not linux-source |
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| 22:20.22 | IronManMario | no but i pwnd a noob |
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| 22:21.11 | abrotman | IronManMario: stop |
| 22:21.15 | tingle | Wyzard: it worked thanks alot |
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| 22:21.38 | Wyzard | salvin: No, it checks constantly |
| 22:22.09 | Wyzard | salvin: Anytime the cable is unplugged, it'll ifdown the interface, and when you plug it back in, it'll ifup |
| 22:22.10 | IronManMario | you stop being a buzzkill |
| 22:22.51 | goauld | but ifplugd doesnt detect wireless cards |
| 22:23.00 | goauld | only works with Ethernets |
| 22:23.02 | Wyzard | goauld: yes it does |
| 22:23.08 | Wyzard | goauld: did for my prism54, at least |
| 22:23.47 | Wyzard | goauld: It doesn't make the card associate with networks (use wpasupplicant for that), but if the card does associated, ifplugd sees it as a connection being established, and brings up the interface |
| 22:24.29 | Wyzard | I used that for about a year before NetworkManager came along |
| 22:24.42 | goauld | ok |
| 22:25.49 | JarZki^ | kik |
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| 22:27.11 | salvin | Wyzard, i haven't the auto declaration in my eth interface... |
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| 22:27.38 | salvin | i've only: auto lo |
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| 22:28.37 | Wyzard | salvin: That's fine |
| 22:29.06 | Wyzard | You don't want one, because that would make the system try to bring up the interface during startup even if there's no cable plugged in |
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| 22:29.19 | Wyzard | but you do need an iface definition for it, of course |
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| 22:31.30 | Oxygenetik | i've download the C header files for my matching kernel but vmware insaller says i've never compiled it[from source] (that's a fact)... how do i build the necessary files for vmware tools? |
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| 22:32.13 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: What's the exact message it gives you? |
| 22:32.21 | abrotman | Oxygenetik: your linux-headers ? |
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| 22:33.00 | Oxygenetik | yes |
| 22:33.02 | Oxygenetik | wait |
| 22:33.33 | Oxygenetik | doesn't contain /linux/version.h as expected |
| 22:33.57 | salvin | Wyzard, but the system alsa brings up the interface without "auto" declaration |
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| 22:34.29 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: What headers package did you install? |
| 22:34.40 | Oxygenetik | 2.6.18 |
| 22:34.49 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: exact name of package? |
| 22:35.04 | chops | Oxygenetik: Can you pastebin the exact session where you try to compile it and it fails, also? |
| 22:35.34 | Oxygenetik | linux-headers-2.6-486 |
| 22:36.06 | chops | Oxygenetik: Along with the output of 'uname -a'? |
| 22:36.14 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: Assuming you're using a computer newer than a Pentium, -486 is probably not the right headers package for your system |
| 22:36.49 | Oxygenetik | i'm using amd64 xD |
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| 22:37.17 | Oxygenetik | 2.6.18-5-486 from uname-r |
| 22:37.30 | Oxygenetik | oh forget |
| 22:37.33 | Oxygenetik | i did it bad :/ |
| 22:37.34 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: You're actually running a -486 kernel? |
| 22:37.40 | Oxygenetik | yes Wyzard |
| 22:38.23 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: btw, you're not "running amd64" |
| 22:38.25 | Oxygenetik | of course it work |
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| 22:38.33 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: You might have a 64-bit-capable processor, but you're using a 32-bit OS |
| 22:38.37 | Oxygenetik | Wyzard dmesg says i'm running amd64 |
| 22:38.38 | Oxygenetik | i know |
| 22:38.46 | Oxygenetik | i'll update it later |
| 22:38.51 | Oxygenetik | this is for testing purposes only |
| 22:38.59 | Oxygenetik | and i'm learning with my mistakes :D |
| 22:39.01 | azeem | you cannot update userland from 32 to 64bits |
| 22:39.01 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: Why not test with the kernel you plan to actually use? |
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| 22:39.24 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: If you update later, you'll have to run vmware-config again to build modules for the new kernel |
| 22:39.35 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: It'd make more sense to update now |
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| 22:40.43 | Oxygenetik | so i'll need to reinstall it... |
| 22:40.53 | Timo^ | Hi guys |
| 22:40.56 | Oxygenetik | and redownload the iso :x |
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| 22:41.07 | gouki | <offtopic>What's the name of the forum software developed by the Wordpress guys? |
| 22:41.17 | Timo^ | whats the command from which i can see which programs or which open ports there are on my system ? |
| 22:41.19 | abrotman | ask #wordpress |
| 22:41.29 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: btw, VMware Workstation 6 is the only version of VMware so far that has a native 64-bit version |
| 22:41.30 | robbbot | netstat -an |grep listen |
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| 22:41.45 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: Workstation 5 and older, and Server 1, are 32-bit only (though they'll run on a 64-bit system) |
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| 22:43.23 | Wyzard | Timo^: netstat |
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| 22:44.16 | Oxygenetik | i have workstation 6 |
| 22:44.35 | Wyzard | ok |
| 22:44.50 | Wyzard | if you plan to run 64-bit Debian, you should download the 64-bit build of VMware, then (if you haven't already) |
| 22:45.00 | Oxygenetik | thanks Wyzard, azeem and chops :) |
| 22:45.10 | Oxygenetik | i have the 64-bit build :p |
| 22:45.36 | Wyzard | Oxygenetik: Wait, were you trying to install the 64-bit VMware on your 32-bit Debian system? |
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| 22:46.20 | sigius | In debian how do I get a overview of what services are started at what runlevel (like 'rc-update show' in gentoo) ? |
| 22:46.45 | Wyzard | sigius: ls -d /etc/rc*.d |
| 22:46.49 | Wyzard | sigius: Look in those directories |
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| 22:49.18 | pandrew | hello! i changed the symlink in /usr/bin/python, and i got some errors, that it should not be that. How do i set the default python interpreter then? |
| 22:50.22 | pandrew | the errors were given by pycentral |
| 22:50.44 | Zharf | pandrew, update-alternatives maybe? |
| 22:50.49 | pandrew | ValueError: the symlink /usr/bin/python does not point to the python default version. It must be reset to point to python |
| 22:50.49 | pandrew | 2.4 |
| 22:51.48 | sigius | Wyzard: Hmmpf, but thanks. |
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| 22:53.19 | pandrew | Zharf: there is nothing in /etc/alternatives for python |
| 22:54.37 | azeem | pandrew: what are you trying to do with pycentral, are you trying to install a package? |
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| 22:56.07 | vinc456 | can i configure a setting so that all python scripts i write will be executable by default? |
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| 22:56.40 | Zharf | vinc456, maybe in your editor |
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| 22:56.52 | Stealth` | Hi all, who can help me |
| 22:56.53 | Stealth` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.56 | Stealth` | ?? |
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| 22:57.23 | pandrew | azeem: nothing for now. i changed the symlink to python2.5 when it was not installed , and then while i was installing it pycentral threw an exception, i suppose there are other programs just like that that don't like a different symlink, so i suppose i have to change something else too? |
| 22:57.27 | evilstrike | hail debian gurus and all non-gurus! anyone here would knows how to sort the result of find by the modification date ie: `find ./ -mtime -3 -ls` will ouput all files modified since the last 3days but in any date order but I need to sort the result date...? |
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| 22:58.44 | azeem | pandrew: why do you want to change the default version in the first place? |
| 22:58.49 | azeem | this is usually a distribution choice |
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| 22:59.42 | chops | pandrew: Changing the symlink may break some things... |
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| 23:00.37 | pandrew | so it's not a good idea to change it then? |
| 23:00.47 | chops | pandrew: Not really. What are you trying to do? |
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| 23:01.52 | chops | evilstrike: You can try ls -l --sort=time -r -d `find ./ -mtime -3` |
| 23:01.58 | pandrew | i'm not even sure if this is the right approach. i have a mod-python website in apache, and i want it to use python2.5 |
| 23:01.59 | chops | evilstrike: That may not work if you have too many files, though |
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| 23:03.38 | chops | pandrew: Considering mod-python Depends: on python << 2.5, I would bet that nothing you can reconfigure on your system will persuade it to work with python2.5... |
| 23:03.44 | chops | pandrew: Though maybe that's just paranoia |
| 23:04.15 | dcnoye | how do you uninstall with dpkg ? |
| 23:04.17 | chops | pandrew: I would get the source for libapache2-mod-python and build a local package custom set up to use python2.5 |
| 23:04.19 | debian__ | Can I modify the text that comes when I login on ssh? |
| 23:04.25 | chops | debian__: /etc/issue |
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| 23:04.51 | chops | debian__: Er, sorry -- it may be /etc/issue.net |
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| 23:05.59 | debian__ | chops: It only said debian and version number, i see more text when I login |
| 23:06.02 | pandrew | debian__: also /etc/motd for the first part of the text |
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| 23:06.55 | tom | how do i prevent that users write junk into /var/log/messages or on the console via syslog? right now someone can simply do syslog(LOG_EMERG, 'hallo') and it will appear everywhere. |
| 23:07.02 | pandrew | chops: ok, but i'm gonna take a little look at the mod_python documentation, before i do it, maybe there is a way, without createing a new package |
| 23:07.24 | pandrew | if there isn't i suppose it can be considered a bug, right? |
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| 23:07.27 | chops | debian__: Note: Remove the symlink at /etc/motd, don't just edit the symlinked-to file or it may be overwritten |
| 23:07.31 | drbrown | I want to install debian on a cf card aside from log files and temp files is there any other concerns of too many writes? Must I use ext2, or would reiserfs work alright? |
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| 23:08.16 | chops | pandrew: The Debian package explicitly requests that the package manager not set up that situation, and I'm inclined to assume that that's because it will cause brokenness. |
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| 23:09.07 | chops | pandrew: Therefore I believe that changing the package is going to be necessary ultimately anyway, so you might as well change the package right from the start instead of possibly breaking other things on your system (like, for example, pycentral :-) in the attempt to avoid changing the package |
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| 23:09.25 | debian__ | chops: Symlink? |
| 23:09.40 | debian__ | So nano /etc/motd wont work? |
| 23:10.10 | chops | pandrew: I would not consider that a bug. Changing libapache2-mod-python to work with python2.5 instead of python before python 2.5 becomes the official Debian /usr/bin/python version seems like it would be premature to me. |
| 23:10.17 | monra | HEllo. When trying seeing what is in mine localhost the page isn't being found... so I tried restarting Apache and I get an error saying "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.01 for ServerName". What should i do? Some weeks ago all was perfect. |
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| 23:10.19 | debian__ | How can I translate stuff only for myself? |
| 23:10.45 | chops | pandrew: You could file a wishlist bug requesting a special libapache2-mod-python2.5 package, but I highly doubt that one will be constructed for you |
| 23:11.09 | chops | debian__: It may work, but your changes may also get overwritten later. You should remove /etc/motd and then recreate it. |
| 23:11.22 | debian__ | Seams strange |
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| 23:11.58 | schmidtsmikey | monra: first you must determine on which ip-adress your apache is listening to. then you must edit your /etc/hosts |
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| 23:12.30 | pandrew | chops: thanks |
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| 23:12.43 | mvfeinstein | Is there a way to figure out what kind of HD a server has from the command line? |
| 23:12.56 | debian__ | chops: Can I edit the language of the system manually? |
| 23:13.02 | chops | debian__: The standard Debian behavior is to change /etc/motd to include the running kernel version; if /etc/motd wasn't a symlink to somewhere (which it is), it would have to overwrite the file in-place in /etc, which (a) would make you disable that behavior as a separate operation, and (b) would surprise people who expected /etc files not to be mucked around with by the system |
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| 23:13.28 | debian__ | I think it is a mix of english/norwegian/swedish |
| 23:14.04 | debian__ | So I want to manually translate my system |
| 23:14.14 | chops | debian__: There's no single language to the system. Each user can have a different language. There is a single system default. |
| 23:14.56 | debian__ | But I decide what language installed? |
| 23:15.00 | debian__ | Cant I edit it? |
| 23:15.37 | chops | debian__: You can decide what languages are supported by your system, yes. Is that what you want to do? |
| 23:15.38 | porkpie | hi guy's I need to add a static route to 192.168.1.100 from 212.79.238.161 the 192.168.1.100 address is connect via a crossover on the second interface of the server |
| 23:16.03 | chops | What's the second interface's IP? |
| 23:16.12 | debian__ | chops: yes and no, I want to edit it to, the files, single sentences of translation and so. |
| 23:16.18 | porkpie | 192.168.1.101 |
| 23:16.50 | chops | debian__: You would make that edit the same way you would make any other edit to your system -- get the source for the package that you want to change translations for, edit the source, rebuild, install the modified package |
| 23:16.56 | porkpie | chops:route add but I am not sure of the route |
| 23:17.19 | debian__ | chops: Sounds complicated, is the languages in the source? |
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| 23:17.25 | chops | porkpie: You don't need to add any special route for that situation. The routes that are set up by ifup will take care of it if you configure /etc/network/interfaces correctly. |
| 23:17.44 | chops | debian__: _Everything_ is in the source :-). There's nothing in a Debian system that isn't compiled from some source package or other. |
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| 23:17.46 | debian__ | It isnt in separate files? |
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| 23:17.54 | IronManMario | debian erased windows by itself! |
| 23:17.55 | chops | debian__: For some packages it is, for most not. |
| 23:18.19 | chops | debian__: I can tell you about an example if that'll make it clearer. What line of text in what place do you want to change? |
| 23:18.22 | debian__ | Seams like keeping the language files in easily editabole files would make more sence |
| 23:18.35 | chops | debian__: _Everything_ in Debian is easily editable :-). Language files included. |
| 23:18.35 | IronManMario | windows isn't on the bootlist anymore, it just has debain 2 times and debian single user mode 2 times |
| 23:18.36 | porkpie | chops: I have configured the interface but not added a gw because I am not sure what it should be |
| 23:18.37 | debian__ | chops: Some in rtorrent |
| 23:18.43 | debian__ | the donwload uipload |
| 23:18.43 | IronManMario | wtf how do i fix it |
| 23:18.47 | debian__ | it is in english |
| 23:18.48 | chops | porkpie: Don't add a gateway. |
| 23:18.52 | debian__ | I want norwegian |
| 23:18.52 | porkpie | OK |
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| 23:19.42 | Malf | IronManMario: I'm assuming grub is your bootloader so edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:19.58 | IronManMario | k |
| 23:20.09 | IronManMario | I reverted the file back to normal il lsee if it works now |
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| 23:21.43 | chops | porkpie: Just set your interface up properly, with no gateway, and it'll just work (TM). Feel free to pastebin /etc/network/interfaces if you think it should work and it isn't. |
| 23:22.02 | porkpie | OK |
| 23:22.07 | porkpie | pasting |
| 23:22.28 | debian__ | how can I get the source for a package? can I rename it so I dont break the one allready there`?? |
| 23:23.18 | chops | debian__: It doesn't look like rtorrent is localized, sorry :-( |
| 23:23.45 | debian__ | Damn |
| 23:23.47 | porkpie | chops: http://pastebin.com/m44fce975 |
| 23:24.10 | chops | debian__: You can just edit the source and change the English text to Norwegian, which will change it for all users regardless of their language settings. |
| 23:24.22 | debian__ | Ok |
| 23:24.34 | debian__ | Source editing, never done that befre |
| 23:24.36 | debian__ | how? |
| 23:25.51 | chops | debian__: apt-get source rtorrent (unpacks in the current directory), cd to the created directory, edit the source, when you're ready to build do 'sudo apt-get build-dep rtorrent' and 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b' (from the directory that was pulled down by the first step) and install the resulting .deb (which will be created in the directory you first started in) |
| 23:26.01 | chops | debian__: Or, search on the internet for more detailed documentation :-) |
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| 23:26.26 | chops | porkpie: Looks right to me. Can you not ping the other host? |
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| 23:26.38 | porkpie | no |
| 23:26.44 | chops | porkpie: It's possible that the _other_ host can't get packets back to you -- you could run tcpdump to see if it's sending pings and not getting any back |
| 23:27.01 | porkpie | OK |
| 23:27.31 | porkpie | chops:it could be the xen bridge |
| 23:27.37 | chops | porkpie: Could be |
| 23:28.14 | chops | porkpie: tcpdump will help a lot with this problem (in the virtual system, on the non-virtual system/bridge/whatever, on the other machine) |
| 23:28.46 | porkpie | yeah ... I will sniff |
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| 23:29.55 | justin | porkpie: don't you mean eth1 and not eth0:1 ? |
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| 23:30.20 | chops | porkpie: Argh, justin is right |
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| 23:30.29 | porkpie | Ah OK |
| 23:30.36 | chops | porkpie: If there are two physical cards in the machine, you must use eth1 not eth0:1 (eth0:1 will send the packets from the same card as eth0) |
| 23:30.59 | porkpie | chops:this is a domU |
| 23:31.15 | porkpie | OK ...let me change it |
| 23:31.21 | justin | porkpie: domU's can have 2 virtual interfaces as well |
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| 23:32.18 | porkpie | justin:eth1 is the 192.168.101 on the physical interface |
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| 23:32.37 | porkpie | justin: so I suppose I could try it |
| 23:32.47 | justin | porkpie: I'm not sure what you are saying :) |
| 23:33.00 | justin | I'm sure you'll figure this out eventually, routing is easy enough :) |
| 23:33.15 | pigah | Hi All. I'm trying to alter the lid.sh script so that my laptop will suspend when I close the lid, but only when there isn't an external monitor. Anyone know a command other than xrandr that will output whether an external monitor is plugged in? |
| 23:33.36 | chops | pigah: Why other than xrandr? :-) |
| 23:33.50 | pl1 | Does anyone know what could cause console, ssh, and smb to suddenly go unresponsive but not nfs? |
| 23:33.52 | chops | pigah: You could also check the output of xdpyinfo and see if there's anything interesting there |
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| 23:33.56 | pigah | I was hoping it would work when I'm not in Xorg |
| 23:35.01 | porkpie | justin: that didn't work |
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| 23:35.19 | porkpie | justin: no such device |
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| 23:35.45 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
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| 23:36.52 | chops | pigah: You could try something like X -probeonly or something (not necessarily that command... but there might be a way of invoking X that convinces it to investigate the hardware and report its findings without actually starting an X session) |
| 23:37.01 | chops | Dammit |
| 23:37.02 | chops | Too late |
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| 23:42.20 | magyar | hi, is there a way to query grub to show where the mbr is installed? |
| 23:42.37 | id10t | anyone ever see "timeout waiting for PADO packets" from their dsl connection? |
| 23:43.22 | screamingbytes | nope |
| 23:44.13 | id10t | hrm... |
| 23:44.29 | id10t | everything i've googled about it refers to old kernel versions |
| 23:46.18 | debian__ | I cant find the file I want I think! |
| 23:47.12 | id10t | yup, think its gonna happen. save $ on power too. |
| 23:47.44 | debian__ | How does source editors knwo what file to edit? |
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| 23:48.00 | chops | debian__: You can use grep to find the string you're looking to change |
| 23:48.15 | chops | debian__: What you're currently attempting is a relatively difficult operation |
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| 23:48.59 | pothibo | Hi! I'm trying to run a kolab server on my debian machine, when I launch kolab it says I have an imap server running, but I don't know which server it is |
| 23:49.00 | debian__ | i thought it would be one file... And edit then done! |
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| 23:49.05 | screamingbytes | hehe |
| 23:49.11 | pothibo | service* |
| 23:49.23 | karsten | debian__: What are you trying to do? |
| 23:49.26 | dkr | !source |
| 23:49.26 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us - uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 23:49.50 | chops | debian__: You'll have to talk to the rtorrent people -- in some software the localized strings are stored broken-out like you're looking for, but in rtorrent it looks like they aren't (and only English is supported, of course) |
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| 23:50.05 | debian__ | karsten: Translate rtorrent to norwegian |
| 23:50.14 | chops | karsten: He's trying to manually translate two strings from rtorrent (which isn't localized) from English to Norwegian on his system |
| 23:50.35 | chops | debian__: Oh, you're trying to translate everything about its output? |
| 23:51.03 | chops | debian__: I thought you just wanted "download" and "upload" translated for some reason |
| 23:51.04 | debian__ | Mostly |
| 23:51.13 | karsten | debian__: As I understood it: you're trying to change language strings from English to Norwegian, in a source file. Depends on the sources in question. The *clean* way to do this is via i18n standards, with message strings, and l10n strings. |
| 23:51.18 | pothibo | anyone knows how to find the running service for every port ???? |
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| 23:51.27 | chops | pothibo: netstat -nlp |
| 23:51.37 | debian__ | chops: I'll translate what I bother to. The strings I see the most. |
| 23:51.39 | karsten | pothibo: netstat -nlpv |
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| 23:52.30 | karsten | debian__: factoring out the code and doing it the right way is long-term best effort. |
| 23:52.54 | pothibo | Why inetd would be listening on port 143 ? |
| 23:53.09 | chops | pothibo: See /etc/inetd.conf for why |
| 23:53.15 | pothibo | ty |
| 23:53.18 | karsten | pothibo: ... alternatively, nmap your host from the outside if you don't trust it. You can do some probing to see what's actually behind the port (based on signatures) rather than just counting on the port number to be standard. Or you can play with lsof. |
| 23:53.47 | pothibo | to be honest, I'm trying to run a Kolab server on my current server.. |
| 23:53.51 | karsten | pothibo: inetd is a superdaemon. It's probably handling IMAP requests. |
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| 23:54.05 | debian__ | karsten: So you think I should make the code localized? |
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| 23:54.20 | chops | debian__: That is the best long-term effort |
| 23:54.28 | karsten | debian__: Not my strength, but yeah, that's the _smart_ way to do it. |
| 23:54.29 | chops | debian__: You should coordinate that effort with the upstream developers, though |
| 23:54.36 | karsten | debian__: What chops said. |
| 23:54.48 | debian__ | chops: In the source only one is mentioned... |
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| 23:55.20 | chops | debian__: Yes, localizing a not-yet-localized program requires some extensive (though pretty straightforward usually) modifications |
| 23:56.20 | karsten | debian__: http://www.suodenjoki.dk/us/productions/articles/localization.htm |
| 23:56.22 | debian__ | So I should be able to do it, even know I cannot see the diffrence between c and c++? |
| 23:56.31 | pothibo | and I'm trying to understand the best way to make it happen |
| 23:56.36 | karsten | debian__: It's mostly skuttwork, yeah. |
| 23:56.53 | chops | debian__: Oh, do you mean there's only one developer? In that case coordinating the effort with him will be simpler :-) |
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| 23:57.45 | chops | debian__: If you're not at all familiar with programming, it will be difficult. If you have ever worked in C or C++ before, it probably won't be too overwhelming even if you're not very experienced. |
| 23:57.45 | karsten | chops: Dunno. I often have massive problems coordinating development efforts with myself. |
| 23:58.05 | debian__ | But less people to do the work! |
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