| 00:00.15 | spanther | nothing customized at all |
| 00:01.29 | spanther | oh well okay one thing i changed cause my pc won't start X at first bootup i switched "ati" to "radeon" |
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| 00:02.51 | karsten | spanther: That's a red herring, doesn't matter (ati/radeon). |
| 00:03.33 | karsten | spanther: Your issues are at lines 13 & 14 |
| 00:03.33 | karsten | spanther: Resolve those. |
| 00:04.14 | spanther | 13 & 14 ? |
| 00:04.34 | spanther | File not found: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build/.config at ./scripts/make_kconfig.pl line 32, <IN> line 4. <-- thats it |
| 00:04.47 | karsten | Yep. |
| 00:04.49 | spanther | after preparing to compile for kernel version 2.6.18 |
| 00:05.02 | karsten | Either change the makefile or put the file there, as I told you. |
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| 00:05.44 | dn4 | Is there a way to use Xdebconfigurator to create a xorg.cfg? |
| 00:05.59 | spanther | 32bit:/home/spanther/v4l-dvb# cp /boot/config-2.6.18-6-k7 /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build/.config |
| 00:06.03 | themill | !tell dn4 about drxx |
| 00:06.07 | karsten | dn4: Use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:06.21 | karsten | spanther: Type that in your shell, not your IRC client. |
| 00:06.24 | karsten | ;-) |
| 00:06.25 | spanther | file .config cant be build file or folder not found? weird |
| 00:06.32 | spanther | karsten: i did :P |
| 00:06.36 | spanther | i got following |
| 00:06.46 | jelly-home | spanther: is linux-headers-$(uname -r) installed? |
| 00:06.50 | spanther | cp: cannot create regular file `/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build/.config': No such file or directory |
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| 00:07.05 | spanther | jelly-home: wait i'll check |
| 00:07.06 | karsten | spanther: Well, then, trakc down why it doesn't work. You're the one with shell access. I've got work to do. |
| 00:07.21 | amphi | spanther: /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-k7/build exists? |
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| 00:07.42 | spanther | jelly-home: nope seems like they wasnt installed |
| 00:07.52 | spanther | but now they are hehe |
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| 00:07.56 | jelly-home | spanther: you won't get far with building out-of-tree kernel modules if there's no kernel headers |
| 00:08.14 | jelly-home | there're* |
| 00:08.23 | spanther | jelly-home: my problem is the last own build i made is long time ago so i didnt know what i need to install for it |
| 00:08.29 | spanther | now make runs as it seems |
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| 00:09.29 | spanther | can make use advantage from dualcore CPU's ? |
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| 00:10.10 | jelly-home | -j2 |
| 00:10.29 | biopyte | hi. i cant run 'imagej' on lenny. program crashes immediately after startup. can you confirm this behaviour? |
| 00:11.03 | karsten | spanther: '-j<n>' where n >= 2. I'd set it to 2-4x the number of processors. |
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| 00:11.56 | spanther | okay |
| 00:12.18 | jelly-home | -j2 works very well on my AMD X2 at work, eats all the cpu contrary to the usual advice of using ncpu+1 |
| 00:12.25 | karsten | spanther: You can experiment to see what gives you the fastest wall-clock time. You want to keep tasks in the pipeline, without running into task-switch overhead. |
| 00:12.36 | dondelelcaro | biopyte: if that's the case, someone (in theory) should have filed a bug about it. |
| 00:12.40 | dondelelcaro | biopyte: check to see if one exists. |
| 00:12.41 | karsten | jelly-home: The real test is to watch total build time. |
| 00:12.46 | biopyte | ok |
| 00:12.50 | jelly-home | karsten: of course |
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| 00:13.26 | spanther | jelly-home: well yeah :) http://paste.debian.net/48528 |
| 00:13.48 | dondelelcaro | biopyte: if not, verify that you're running the current version of imagej and all of it's dependencies, and then fire up reportbug and file a bug with severity serious against imagej. |
| 00:13.58 | jelly-home | make-kpkg is always special. WARNING: Do NOT set the -j option in MAKEFLAGS directly, this shall cause the build to fail. Use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL as specified below. |
| 00:14.04 | themill | biopyte: what java runtime are you running? (output of java -version) |
| 00:15.34 | biopyte | themill: java version 1.5.0, gij version 4.2.1 |
| 00:16.11 | jelly-home | spanther: *shrug*, looks like they're not that backward compatible |
| 00:16.21 | biopyte | themill: there are java error messages upon crashing. |
| 00:16.30 | spanther | jelly-home: and what do you mean by "they" ? :) |
| 00:16.46 | jelly-home | spanther: upstream v4l-dvb? |
| 00:16.57 | themill | biopyte: I have a feeling that imagej works a lot better with sun java. You could try installing sun-java6-jre and make sure you're using that with update-java-alternatives |
| 00:17.05 | spanther | jelly-home: so debian is to old for it? |
| 00:17.15 | jelly-home | spanther: yes |
| 00:17.22 | spanther | lol nice :> |
| 00:17.27 | jelly-home | spanther: or at least, that's my guess. |
| 00:17.36 | spanther | newest 4.0 is to old hehe |
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| 00:17.47 | spanther | damn no tv without them |
| 00:17.50 | jelly-home | spanther: it installs newer kernel from backports.org and tries again |
| 00:18.06 | biopyte | themill: ok. thanks for the hint. java, always a source of trouble <rolleyes> ;) |
| 00:18.31 | lanuser | Hello - is there a command to help determine which apt repository would be fastest? |
| 00:18.39 | spanther | i really start to believe debian is build for servers :) |
| 00:18.45 | themill | biopyte: yep. If that solves problems, then perhaps file a bug against it suggesting that the non-free java is necessary |
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| 00:19.39 | karmatronic | lanuser: yes |
| 00:19.40 | biopyte | themill: ok |
| 00:19.46 | dondelelcaro | lanuser: netselect, though usually by picking one close to you geographically you can do just as well. |
| 00:19.49 | spanther | jelly-home: karsten: well thank you anyway for all help you two gave me about it :) |
| 00:20.23 | lanuser | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 00:20.41 | jelly-home | spanther: Debian stable really _is_ good for servers. :-) |
| 00:20.46 | karmatronic | ttp://video.stage6.com/2002350/.divx |
| 00:20.52 | jelly-home | h |
| 00:21.03 | spanther | jelly-home: do you think debian-testing could run it? |
| 00:21.37 | jelly-home | spanther: before upgrading everything, you might consider upgrading just the kernel |
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| 00:22.34 | spanther | jelly-home: nice hint but i don't know how :) |
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| 00:22.41 | spanther | <--- newbie |
| 00:24.38 | jelly-home | spanther: well, start with |
| 00:24.48 | jelly-home | !tell spanther -about backports |
| 00:25.05 | jelly-home | sorry, backports.org |
| 00:25.29 | karmatronic | !backports.org |
| 00:25.30 | dpkg | hmm... backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 00:26.17 | Elive_user41 | Hey, can someone give me a hand? |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | ask in #elive |
| 00:26.36 | Elive_user41 | Yeah, they're not being much help. |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | that's nice .. go to #elive |
| 00:26.57 | Elive_user41 | How harsh, no need to be sour. |
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| 00:27.19 | abrotman | Elive_user41: you're not using debian .. this channel is for Debian support .. go to #elive |
| 00:28.10 | Elive_user41 | Everyone and their mother knows Elive is just a release of Debian, my problem was more of a core system issue that would probably have been fixed here, but seeing as there are 766 people in here and only 5 in the other channel - |
| 00:28.13 | Elive_user41 | Forget it. |
| 00:28.14 | dkr | directing you to the proper place is not being sour |
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| 00:28.50 | abrotman | if it were a release of debian .. it'd be called debian ... |
| 00:30.26 | spanther | jelly-home: okay i've configured the deb source for backports and for debian-multimedia.org and now? |
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| 00:32.42 | dotCOMmie | how does one go about forcing automount to mount with -n option? |
| 00:32.58 | spanther | okay bedtime bye all |
| 00:37.13 | adzy | help me, i can't access my tty under X, but i can it without X.. |
| 00:38.14 | grendal_prime | hey im trying to create a cron job that timestamps a file its creating by making part o the name of the file the date...know what i mean? |
| 00:38.43 | abrotman | grendal_prime: touch filename_`date %s` |
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| 00:39.06 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 00:39.28 | abrotman | grendal_prime: touch filename_`date +%s` |
| 00:39.59 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 00:40.18 | grendal_prime | i was thinking it was %date()% for some reason |
| 00:40.47 | karsten | dotCOMmie: You can pass mount args to automount. |
| 00:40.56 | themill | grendal_prime: $(date +%s) is good too |
| 00:41.09 | themill | grendal_prime: you've been doing too much asp or php or something.... |
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| 00:41.38 | karsten | ... to the point that it more-or-less flies off the fingers. |
| 00:42.23 | grendal_prime | thanks karsten that looks more like what im after. |
| 00:42.28 | dotCOMmie | karsten: I tried adding -n to the end of automount but it doesnt pass that to mount |
| 00:42.31 | grendal_prime | and themill ya..you got that right |
| 00:42.32 | dotCOMmie | it passed to -o |
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| 00:43.44 | karsten | dotCOMmie: Where's your automounter map file? |
| 00:43.50 | karsten | dotCOMmie: eg: /etc/auto.misc |
| 00:43.52 | dotCOMmie | karsten: yp/nis |
| 00:44.14 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I should know the answer to this off the top of my head but I don't. |
| 00:44.31 | karsten | dotCOMmie: There are places to keep automount options, though, w/in NIS. |
| 00:45.24 | dotCOMmie | karsten: automount is started with: /usr/sbin/automount -d -v --pid-file=/var/run/autofs/_nfs.pid --timeout=300 /nfs yp auto.home -n |
| 00:45.53 | karsten | dotCOMmie: Sorry, OOMD. |
| 00:46.12 | dotCOMmie | karsten: and syslog shows this: mount -t nfs -s -o rw,hard,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 tauri02:/srv/user02 /nfs/user02 |
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| 00:46.16 | dotCOMmie | OOMD? |
| 00:46.25 | karsten | !oomd |
| 00:46.25 | dpkg | hmm... oomd is out of my depth. |
| 00:46.32 | dotCOMmie | gotcha |
| 00:46.47 | dotCOMmie | I think automount is just broken |
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| 00:47.11 | SixT6 | How do I change the date and time settings to inform the os that the hw clock is set to UTC? |
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| 00:47.34 | SixT6 | I tried hwclock but I get this error: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 00:47.37 | goppp | hey any use debian, and gotten dual monitor to work |
| 00:47.41 | goppp | out of the box |
| 00:48.26 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 00:48.26 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 00:48.40 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I'm not much of a fan of it, it's one of a few hells at work. |
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| 00:49.42 | felix_da_catz | Does anyone on here use Monit? |
| 00:49.54 | karsten | !tell felix_da_catz about polls |
| 00:50.08 | SixT6 | abrotman: I have ntp, but it sets the clock two hours ahead in time because the wh clock is set to UTC and I chose "not set to UTC" during the install |
| 00:50.20 | abrotman | SixT6: read the rest of the factoid |
| 00:50.24 | SixT6 | Either that or the ntp server is fubar |
| 00:50.51 | karsten | SixT6: Set your hwclock to UTC then. |
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| 00:51.00 | dotCOMmie | karsten: I just want to be nice to the nfs server the 180 or so clients dont always need to mount nfs |
| 00:51.16 | felix_da_catz | I want to use monit to monitor dspam. I am trying to figure out how to make it monitor the port 2424. But I don't know if I need to setup a protocol to have it monitor as well. |
| 00:51.21 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I'm also not very fond of NFS :-) |
| 00:51.26 | SixT6 | karsten: it is set to UTC |
| 00:51.33 | dotCOMmie | karsten: so what do you use? |
| 00:51.41 | dotCOMmie | AFS/OCFS/GFS? |
| 00:51.46 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I'm leaning toward rsync and or version control. |
| 00:52.07 | karsten | dotCOMmie: Local storage w/ periodic resynchs. |
| 00:52.16 | nosun | anyway of forcing boot with a resolution on debian? |
| 00:52.18 | dotCOMmie | karsten: this is a cluster d: |
| 00:52.24 | nosun | aka boot with 800x600 or somehting;P |
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| 00:53.54 | nosun | asking cause resultion seems to be to high |
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| 00:54.02 | nosun | my monitor turns off after debian boots |
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| 00:55.23 | karsten | dotCOMmie: 10k hosts, 72 maps, 7374 mounts |
| 00:55.32 | karsten | dotCOMmie: I don't care for NFS or automount. |
| 00:55.33 | alesan | hi I have installed debian-arm on a linksys NSLU2... I do not remember the root password, and I have lost my ssh private key. how can I recover the root password in your opinion? |
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| 00:56.21 | karsten | alesan: Do you have any sort of serial out on that device? If you can intercept the boot sequence, youstand a chance. Otherwise: reimage. |
| 00:56.39 | alesan | karsten: reimage? |
| 00:56.39 | karsten | alesan: If you can get on the host and access the hashed passwords, you can try john the ripper. |
| 00:56.49 | karsten | alesan: Wipe and reinstall. |
| 00:57.03 | jetscreamer | !ifrp |
| 00:57.03 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 00:57.09 | alesan | well, now that I think about, it is installed on a standard USB 500GB hard disk. |
| 00:57.10 | jetscreamer | like that |
| 00:57.23 | jetscreamer | oh remote? |
| 00:57.42 | karsten | nosun: try passing "vga=1" or "vga=ask" at boot. |
| 00:57.57 | alesan | I only have to attach that hdd to a normal computer and modify the root pwd |
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| 00:58.11 | karsten | jetscreamer: Yeah, it's a netgear router. |
| 00:58.28 | karsten | alesan: If you can remove and access the storage elsewhere, that's another option. |
| 00:58.37 | alesan | linksys |
| 00:58.50 | jetscreamer | reset button? |
| 00:59.07 | alesan | why should I reset it? to break the filesystem? |
| 00:59.07 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... which pretty much means a reimage. |
| 00:59.28 | karsten | jetscreamer: If I understand the question, he's already got a non-OEM image (debian-arm) on it. |
| 00:59.30 | jetscreamer | oh ok... didnt knbow |
| 01:00.02 | alesan | karsten: well I think I made that clear |
| 01:00.05 | jetscreamer | but if you flashed it wouldn't it just reset? (no idea, just asking) |
| 01:00.13 | jetscreamer | i mean if you push the reset button |
| 01:00.31 | alesan | the reset button (I do not even remember if there is one) will reboot the device |
| 01:00.35 | karsten | jetscreamer: That's my thought, I don't know how much state he'd lose. |
| 01:00.48 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 01:00.49 | karsten | alesan: In OEM configuration it also does stuff like wipe any user-set passwords. |
| 01:00.50 | alesan | the system is installed on a USB hard disk |
| 01:01.07 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 01:01.14 | jetscreamer | ok so reboot no good if you dont' have a kb/screen ok nm |
| 01:01.16 | karsten | alesan: Accessing that disk on a system to which you _do_ have root sounds like your best bet. |
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| 01:01.24 | karsten | jetscreamer: Bingo. |
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| 01:01.28 | alesan | karsten: well, in OEM config it enters a special mode at bootloader that accepts a new image via tftp |
| 01:01.38 | alesan | karsten: exactly |
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| 01:01.52 | alesan | I will do that, too bad I will have to wat until tomorrow night |
| 01:01.59 | karsten | alesan: So, I think you've got your options, you get the thirll and excitement of chosing from among them. |
| 01:02.20 | alesan | yes thanks |
| 01:02.22 | alesan | bye! |
| 01:02.26 | alesan | I go t obed now |
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| 01:02.54 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 01:04.07 | karsten | alesan: http://xkcd.com/246/ |
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| 01:07.34 | jetscreamer | !stab karsten |
| 01:07.45 | karsten | :) |
| 01:07.47 | jetscreamer | darn |
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| 01:08.16 | karsten | Feh, dpkg died. |
| 01:08.17 | jetscreamer | or it's a really smart stabbing bot who knows you didn't ask such a question |
| 01:08.22 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 01:08.28 | jetscreamer | !stab karsten |
| 01:09.25 | jetscreamer | shoestring potatoes don't mix well with typing... too greasy |
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| 01:16.23 | karsten | jetscreamer: You should try typing something less greasy. |
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| 01:18.52 | voltage | evening |
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| 01:19.08 | tiago | hey there |
| 01:19.31 | tiago | can anyone tell me where I can find the gtk+2.0 package? |
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| 01:19.42 | Facedown | how can you download a whole directory and specify where to download it using FTP? |
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| 01:19.48 | Facedown | trying to google, cant find it |
| 01:19.50 | karsten | !tell tiago about search |
| 01:20.16 | karsten | Facedown: Depends on your ftp client. lftp offers the "mirror" command. You can lcd to a local directory. |
| 01:20.17 | tiago | karsten, I've tried and tried that! |
| 01:20.24 | Facedown | karsten: mine is plain old ftp |
| 01:20.26 | tiago | I've installed programs that require those libs |
| 01:20.28 | Facedown | karsten: 'ftp' |
| 01:20.30 | tiago | and I still can't compile! |
| 01:20.39 | karsten | !tell Facedown about installit |
| 01:21.09 | karsten | Facedown: There's no one "ftp" package, though the most basic one is ncftp IIRC. |
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| 01:21.32 | jelly-home | no netkit-ftp? |
| 01:21.44 | voltage | configured my first debian router today. Slick as sh i t |
| 01:21.49 | karsten | tiago: apt-cache search gtk.*2.0 |
| 01:22.06 | karsten | tiago: dev or just standard libs? |
| 01:22.07 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's just called ftp |
| 01:22.20 | tiago | could be dev |
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| 01:22.28 | simon__ | I got a new monitor half an hour ago. I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to tell it to use a res higher than 1024x768 (old monitor was crap) but all it did was ask me about the keyboard and mouse. Short of manually messing about with /etc/X11/xorg.conf, how can I tell it about my new monitor? |
| 01:22.36 | dondelelcaro | but I've no clue why you'd ever install it; lftp or ncftp are so far superior that there's no reason to use it |
| 01:22.56 | jelly-home | .netrc combatability? |
| 01:23.14 | karsten | jetscreamer: lftp reads .netrc |
| 01:23.26 | jelly-home | not that I've ever used it |
| 01:23.34 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: lftp uses .netrc |
| 01:23.46 | jelly-home | yeah, got that from the mistab |
| 01:23.48 | karsten | jelly-home: I usually plug in an "anonymous" entry, if for nothing else. |
| 01:24.33 | jelly-home | I have wget -rl0 -np -nH --cut-dirs=... in reflex memory |
| 01:24.56 | karsten | jelly-home: You're weird. |
| 01:24.58 | karsten | ;-) |
| 01:25.42 | jelly-home | karsten: wget author was at the same college, and for a time at the same workplace |
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| 01:26.06 | SixT6 | How do I limit a user to only have read access to his own home folder? |
| 01:26.17 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: you don't. |
| 01:26.25 | karsten | jelly-home: Hrvoje? |
| 01:26.32 | jelly-home | karsten: aye |
| 01:26.35 | SixT6 | dondelelcaro: Why not? |
| 01:26.37 | karsten | jelly-home: Sweet. |
| 01:26.58 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: because the user has to be able to read and execute things in /usr/bin, /bin, /lib, /usr/lib, /etc, and a host of other places. |
| 01:27.27 | karsten | ... unless you want to provide a chroot environment. |
| 01:27.41 | karsten | SixT6: That said, clarifying your intentions would be a Good Thing. |
| 01:27.51 | jelly-home | karsten: the country had a 9600 uplink to the world at one point in time. reliable downloaders with reget / continue capabilities were needed |
| 01:28.14 | karsten | jelly-home: wget _rawks_, don't get me wrong. |
| 01:28.15 | SixT6 | dondelelcaro: Ok, how do I limit a user to only have read access to what he needs? |
| 01:28.31 | karsten | SixT6: change ownership of the directory, remove write access. |
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| 01:28.41 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: in general, you fix the permissions of anything that they shouldn't be able to access so that they cannot. |
| 01:28.42 | karsten | SixT6: Some stuff, notably shell history, will bitch about that. |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | SixT6: unless you've mucked with the system .. they already have that |
| 01:28.59 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: normally that's all done by default |
| 01:29.01 | karsten | SixT6: You'll discover what else when you try. |
| 01:29.30 | karsten | SixT6: You're asking how to provide read access _only_ to a selected tree, or _only_ read access, to a selected tree? |
| 01:29.51 | karsten | SixT6: The first: not really possible. The second: chown & chmod. |
| 01:30.02 | jelly-home | selinux! |
| 01:30.15 | karsten | jelly-home: I've got one better for you. |
| 01:30.25 | karsten | jelly-home: I'll sentence you to running on a selinux system. |
| 01:30.58 | SixT6 | dondelelcaro: I haven't changed any settings for users, but all users can see each others home directories and files |
| 01:31.20 | karsten | SixT6: Ah: non-world-readable /home. |
| 01:31.44 | dondelelcaro | SixT6: so change the default permissions on the user's home directories to not be a+rx |
| 01:31.50 | karsten | SixT6: /etc/default/userad |
| 01:31.51 | karsten | SixT6: /etc/default/useradd |
| 01:31.56 | karsten | SixT6: dpkg-reconfigure useradd |
| 01:31.59 | karsten | ... I think. |
| 01:32.07 | dondelelcaro | adduser.conf, is what you actually want to modify. |
| 01:32.39 | dondelelcaro | you probably also want to add to the .bashrc a line setting the default umask to something like 0007 or similar. |
| 01:32.42 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Thanks, was just noting that world-readable wasn't an option under /etc/default. |
| 01:32.53 | dansushi | What is the key combination that allows you to switch between desktops? |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | was that sarge or etch that asked that? |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | dansushi: depends on your WM |
| 01:33.12 | karsten | SixT6: Change the /etc/skel/.bashrc for future accounts to have that. |
| 01:33.25 | dansushi | abrotman: I'm using kde |
| 01:33.40 | dansushi | I already asked there, and the combo someone told me didn't work |
| 01:33.43 | karsten | dansushi: What's your WM? In general look at your keyboard shortcuts. Under "Accessibility" IIRC in kcontrol. |
| 01:33.59 | SixT6 | karsten: add this to it: non-world-readable /home |
| 01:34.00 | SixT6 | ? |
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| 01:34.17 | karsten | SixT6: /etc/adduser.conf. Read the file or man adduser.conf |
| 01:35.09 | karsten | SixT6: DIR_MODE I suspect. |
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| 01:35.42 | karsten | SixT6: DIR_MODE=0750 should do it. |
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| 01:36.59 | dansushi | what is the keyboard shortcut for logging off? |
| 01:37.03 | rsteele | you tell me ;) |
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| 01:37.26 | SixT6 | karsten: Didn't work |
| 01:37.26 | karsten | dansushi: ctrl-alt-backspace: should kill X instantly. |
| 01:37.41 | karsten | SixT6: It only takes effect for newly created users. |
| 01:37.48 | SixT6 | I created a new user |
| 01:37.55 | karsten | SixT6: as root: cd /home; chmod 0750 * |
| 01:38.02 | dansushi | karsten: I don't mean killing X, i mean loging off |
| 01:38.03 | karsten | SixT6: ls -ld /home/<usernam> |
| 01:38.41 | chaataka | dansushi: ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:38.42 | dansushi | and saving settings |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | dansushi: use the mouse? |
| 01:38.52 | dansushi | my MOUSE IS DEAD |
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| 01:39.02 | dansushi | well, not dead, but not working |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | dansushi: CPR? |
| 01:39.08 | dansushi | and i want to save me desktop |
| 01:39.11 | dansushi | my |
| 01:39.12 | dansushi | w/e |
| 01:40.15 | karsten | dansushi: Same thing. Your X display manager will restart. Otherwise the answer is as before: depends on your WM. Look in the same place for KDE. I don't run it. |
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| 01:40.32 | abrotman | doens't kde have the ctrl-esc thing to start the K menu ? |
| 01:40.55 | abrotman | you know .. because Windows does .. KDE probably has it too :) |
| 01:41.00 | karsten | dansushi: Well, that would have been helpful information to share. |
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| 01:41.19 | karsten | dansushi: /join #kde and ask there. There's probably some DCOP / KDE control thing to do that. |
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| 01:41.49 | karsten | dansushi: <alt>-<F2> => run dialog => "kcontrol" <enter> |
| 01:42.06 | karsten | dansushi: You can navigate w/ your cursor/arrow keys. |
| 01:42.39 | karsten | dansushi: Or just kill your KDE session. It should trap a normal kill and save settings, no guarantees. Ask #kde. |
| 01:42.54 | chaataka | dansushi: or try ctrl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-shft-del |
| 01:42.56 | SixT6 | karsten: The users can't create directories in their home folders anymore |
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| 01:44.00 | karsten | SixT6: Do they _own_ their home folders? |
| 01:44.18 | karsten | SixT6: drwxr-xr-x 115 kself kself 12288 2008-02-05 17:44 /home/kself |
| 01:44.33 | karsten | SixT6: That's a 0755 FWIW. |
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| 01:45.04 | SixT6 | drwxr-x--- 2 john john 4096 2008-02-06 02:43 john |
| 01:45.16 | grendal_prime | hey i got banned from python...for whatever reason...how am i supposed to get back onto that channel? |
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| 01:45.35 | grendal_prime | i mean...jesus...it really was not that big of a dea. |
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| 01:46.14 | abrotman | grendal_prime: /msg the ops |
| 01:46.42 | grendal_prime | how do i get the ops for that channel? |
| 01:46.47 | SixT6 | grendal_prime: If it wasn't that big of a deal they wouldn't have banned you |
| 01:46.56 | ralze | hi. i am running debian sarge on my xbox and i am very happy with it, except i want the newest samba to be able to connect to vista shares. Can i do that without dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:48.09 | grendal_prime | SixT6. umm where you there..the point is i would like to discuss it with someone allbeit even apologize if thats what is nessary thing is i really was not under the impression i was making anyone angry or i would have quit.. |
| 01:49.06 | grendal_prime | anyway..thankd abrotman im out..type at yall later... |
| 01:49.56 | jelly-home | Apostrophes. You can't live with them, you can't live without them. |
| 01:50.29 | abrotman | luckily .. only half the population will notice |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | ralze: you mean Xebian ? |
| 01:50.50 | ralze | yes |
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| 01:51.29 | ErichVon | Can anyone tell me if it is possible to install Avant Window Navigator on Debian Etch? |
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| 01:51.57 | abrotman | ralze: xebian isn't really debian .. you can try the stuff at backports.org . but it might break your system |
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| 01:52.56 | ralze | abrotman: i broke my system about 4 times today. so i'll try go reading and trying! |
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| 01:53.05 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 01:53.26 | ralze | xorg won't survive the dist-upgrade |
| 01:53.32 | ralze | can't get it to work again |
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| 01:54.36 | hesco | seeking cli audio player which will do with mp3's what aplay does with wav's, any ideas? |
| 01:54.54 | karsten | SixT6: Looks sane |
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| 01:55.10 | karsten | hesco: 'sox' used to work for me for that but hasn't of late. |
| 01:55.16 | SixT6 | Yup, but the users still can't create files or folders |
| 01:55.29 | karsten | SixT6: error? |
| 01:56.21 | karsten | SixT6: Users _should_ be able to create files/folders in their _own_ home directory, but not _other_ users. Give output of: cd ~; pwd; ls -ld .; touch foo-$RANDOM; ls -l foo-* |
| 01:56.27 | karsten | SixT6: to pastebin |
| 01:56.53 | SixT6 | E138: Can't write viminfo file /home/username/.viminfo |
| 01:56.54 | hesco | karsten: so what do you use instead of sox, now? |
| 01:57.06 | karsten | hesco: Mostly xmms and xmms-shell. |
| 01:57.28 | ErichVon | Anyone? |
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| 01:58.51 | karsten | ErichVon: WTF is Avant Window Navigator? |
| 01:59.01 | karsten | ErichVon: ...and/or why don't you try it and see? |
| 01:59.10 | ralze | abrotman: samba 3.0.23c is available for sarge and i want 3.0.24 . close one. do you have another suggestion? looks i would need to compile it from source? |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | c) ask them |
| 01:59.19 | abrotman | ralze: source i guess |
| 01:59.39 | ErichVon | Karsten: I have tried unsuccessfully, Which is why I am asking if anyone may know a workaround |
| 01:59.59 | ErichVon | http://awn.wetpaint.com/?t=anon |
| 02:00.10 | karsten | ErichVon: You'd be much better off following up on that project's own discussion site(s) than Debian. |
| 02:00.21 | karsten | ErichVon: http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ is what I find. |
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| 02:18.29 | karsten | !test |
| 02:18.29 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 02:25.23 | karsten | abrotman: Dancing! With *me*?!! |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | karsten: do not tell princess yoga! |
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| 02:26.17 | hobophobe | How do I tell alsa which of /usr/share/alsa/cards/*.conf to use? |
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| 02:27.23 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:28.20 | asg | abrotman: square-dancing in #d is verboten |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | streuner: get your own slave |
| 02:28.40 | streuner | abrotman: :-) |
| 02:28.50 | abrotman | asg: oh .. i should go to #debian-dancing-queen .. probably just toresbe there though |
| 02:29.03 | asg | abrotman: and timmeh |
| 02:29.08 | streuner | hobophobe: why do you think you need that? |
| 02:29.16 | hobophobe | I don't have mixing |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | asg: oh .. i thought the army would get him out of there |
| 02:29.23 | hobophobe | If I open one sound app the other doesn't play sound |
| 02:29.44 | asg | abrotman: not a chance, they are only concerned with proper gum disposal techniques |
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| 02:29.54 | abrotman | NO SPITTING! |
| 02:30.01 | asg | NO BUBBLES |
| 02:30.03 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 02:30.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 02:33.06 | magyar | any news on 2.6.24 hitting lenny |
| 02:33.44 | streuner | it just came into unstable, have some patience |
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| 02:36.56 | yigal | why does ifneq ($(wildcard *.tex),) evaluate to false even though I have tex files in the directory I am using my makefile ? |
| 02:37.39 | yigal | there just seems no way to make it evaluate how it should - namely true? |
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| 02:38.12 | yigal | I have spent 3 hours killing myself, and while this isn't exactly the channel to go I thought maybe I could try here |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | magyar: when it gets there |
| 02:39.20 | abrotman | yigal: not a debian question |
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| 02:39.42 | abrotman | yigal: try a channel related to |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:39.53 | Azar | hey nice command name "grep-excuses <package>" |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | you're late |
| 02:40.13 | Azar | yah, dinner and stuff |
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| 02:41.12 | abrotman | i didn't mean that :) |
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| 02:42.28 | drwahl | i am working on getting WoW to run in Wine in Sid. i read from http://www.wowwiki.com/Linux/Wine/Misc#Performance_Boost that i should check to see if "my distro uses CFS Scheduler", so... does debian use CFS Scheduler, and if so, will the command 'nice -15 wine wow' help increase performance? |
| 02:42.43 | Azar | :) no? what then? |
| 02:43.03 | Azar | and me getting happy that abrotman was waiting for me |
| 02:43.09 | abrotman | i was? |
| 02:43.22 | nevyn | drwahl: depends on what kernel version but it's the default on more recent kernels. |
| 02:43.23 | Azar | so I took it: < abrotman> you're late |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | i meant what you pasted |
| 02:43.45 | Azar | I thought you don't read lwn anymore |
| 02:44.02 | Azar | :P |
| 02:44.55 | Azar | hmm tho it never say what kernel will be the final for lenny release |
| 02:45.18 | Azar | 2.6.22 would be an already obsolete one.. |
| 02:45.35 | drwahl | nevyn: i am using the stock 2.6.22-3-686 kernel, if that helps |
| 02:45.38 | streuner | nah |
| 02:45.58 | Azar | so if the 2.6.24 is the official last stable one, I wonder which one will be by December 2008 |
| 02:46.02 | streuner | lenny should use newer kernel... |
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| 02:46.31 | Azar | streuner: from the last bits I read last week word was that 2.6.24 will "maybe" make it to Lenny |
| 02:48.23 | streuner | hm, you are talking about d-i kernel in lenny, right? |
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| 02:48.57 | streuner | or just about a random kernel which should be in lenny at all? :-) |
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| 02:50.33 | shamrock | can someone help me debug why lpr is not working? I can print from gnome apps. I an specifiy "lpr -p MyPrinter myfile" and it just returns with nothing getting printed in the shell. Any ideas? |
| 02:50.36 | Azar | streuner: I guess was d-i |
| 02:50.44 | shamrock | s/-p/-P |
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| 02:53.13 | cybermad | i got serious problem, my debian can not start :( it always Checking root file system...fsck 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006) |
| 02:54.03 | cybermad | then it restart |
| 02:54.13 | cybermad | .sorry there is /dev/hda1 contains a file system with errors, check forced... then there is /dev/hda1: |========================= /66.8% |
| 02:54.42 | streuner | shamrock: CUPS is installed? |
| 02:54.43 | smacnay | cyberjames, let it check the fs - it can take a few minutes. You may need to run fsck manually. |
| 02:55.40 | cybermad | smacnay how to run fsck manually ? |
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| 02:56.36 | shamrock | streuner: yes. Or I wouldnt be able to print from gnome I think - I used CUPS to admin the printer. But I just found the problem. Somehow cups-bsd had been removed and lpr installed. All good now I have rectified that. |
| 02:57.13 | cybermad | smacnay from Grub, don't choose Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-4-686 or single-user mode but hit C for a command line? |
| 02:58.28 | slaytanic | I want to compile a kernel module for the kernel I'm running. How do I get in /usr/src the source for the stock kernel? apt-get'ing linux-tree just gets me the kernel patches and a vanilla kernel tarball. |
| 02:59.00 | streuner | shamrock: CUPS isnt the only to print in Linux |
| 02:59.09 | streuner | shamrock: way* |
| 02:59.17 | cybermad | any help? |
| 03:00.41 | cybermad | how to run fsck manually? |
| 03:00.45 | smacnay | cyberjames, does it always die at the same place? |
| 03:00.50 | cybermad | i can not get in to shell |
| 03:00.56 | cybermad | yes smacnay |
| 03:00.57 | smacnay | do you get any message about running fsck manually? |
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| 03:01.22 | cybermad | just a minute.. i restart the computer |
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| 03:03.24 | smacnay | cybermad, , I am not sure of the exact steps, but you will need a console as root and an unmounted /dev/hda1... |
| 03:04.08 | cybermad | yes.. there is some word about do fsck manually |
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| 03:04.28 | cybermad | but then fsck died... and there are bunch of messages.. then computer restart automatically |
| 03:04.50 | streuner | cybermad: do you have a LIVE-CD handy? such as grml? |
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| 03:04.57 | cybermad | smacnay how to get access to console in this situation? |
| 03:05.04 | smacnay | cybermad, ok, I am not sure, then. Usually you get the option of running fsck manually... |
| 03:05.10 | smacnay | cybermad, not sure on that. |
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| 03:05.49 | smacnay | cybermad, get a knoppix or some other live bootable cd, reboot with the cd in, and run the fsck from that. |
| 03:06.02 | cybermad | smacnay ok |
| 03:06.04 | streuner | !grml |
| 03:06.04 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 03:06.27 | smacnay | cybermad, I don't really know what is going on with your machine but booting with a live distro and fixing from that is a lot easier (and probably safer). |
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| 03:06.55 | smacnay | streuner, I haven't heard of grml - I need to dl that. |
| 03:07.33 | streuner | minimal CD is about 50 MB, IIRC |
| 03:07.39 | Azar | hmmm voting time makes me ask when are the Debian/Linux primaries? |
| 03:08.57 | dondelelcaro | they're comming up soon-ish |
| 03:09.02 | Azar | I am asking because I got an idea: I wish to send two-three boxes with beer to the headquarters so you guys can vote happy |
| 03:09.13 | dondelelcaro | Azar: there's no headquarters, actually |
| 03:09.27 | Azar | dondelelcaro: :( online stuff is not so funny |
| 03:09.38 | Azar | you guys should gather in one place, have a party |
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| 03:09.50 | dondelelcaro | Azar: we do at debconf |
| 03:10.05 | drwahl | is there some way to find where an icon on the desk is getting the picture for the icon from? |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | Azar: and there are mini debconfs |
| 03:10.35 | Azar | dondelelcaro: ah so there you got the beers anyways |
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| 03:11.09 | Azar | I will keep my eyes for when a debconf comes to Los Angeles |
| 03:11.27 | Azar | since I am chained to my work here |
| 03:11.47 | dondelelcaro | Azar: unlikely to ever happen, actually; the closest thing is SCALE which is happening this weekend. |
| 03:12.06 | Azar | dondelelcaro: "ever" is a grand word |
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| 03:12.41 | Azar | hmm maybe because california is such an expensive place to be |
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| 03:13.12 | dondelelcaro | Azar: well, there are a number of things that are problematic about debconf in the US; 1) visas 2) immigration policy 3) people to organize it; if there was one in the US, the most likely place is boston or SF. |
| 03:13.41 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I see I wasn't thinking be so hard in a free country |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | well .. .us-style freedom .. for what it's worth |
| 03:14.03 | Azar | ahh philly, I heard so much about it, I would try to make it there |
| 03:14.17 | Azar | for one, I could see abrotman |
| 03:15.20 | Azar | dondelelcaro: the romanian community here is very small, not very powerful, yet manages to organize conferences with guests from romania in L.A. |
| 03:16.20 | Azar | I would love to meet Debian users and/or developers living in the L.A. area and start organizing |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | i thought you were in FS ? |
| 03:17.02 | abrotman | SF ? |
| 03:17.05 | liable | isnt there a lug there |
| 03:17.16 | Azar | I live in Los Angeles, what's with SF? |
| 03:17.30 | abrotman | http://lalugs.org/ |
| 03:17.30 | Azar | liable: what's a lug? |
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| 03:17.37 | streuner | !lug |
| 03:17.38 | dpkg | from memory, lug is a Linux User Group. They are superb for getting free, in-person help for Linux installation and other issues. There is one in every large city, and some in smaller places too. Use Google to search for: London Linux User Group or New York Linux User Group or some such. Or, ask your local college's Computer Science department if there is a computer club or Linux club. Or ask us. |
| 03:18.06 | dondelelcaro | Azar: we have developers from almost every country |
| 03:18.22 | Azar | thanks abrotman! yay! |
| 03:18.51 | Azar | dondelelcaro: yes but a Debian/linux organization could help host developers coming from abroad |
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| 03:19.07 | abrotman | Azar: in philly there used to be PADS (now defunct) .. there might be something similar in LA |
| 03:19.28 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the organizers do that, actually... it's just a serious pain to do it in the US. |
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| 03:20.52 | Azar | from the user level, I can say that at least here, in L.A. people are impressed with linux, specially with Debian |
| 03:21.11 | Azar | not quite "all" Los Angelenos are windows dummies |
| 03:21.41 | Azar | I am preaching about Debian for the past 4 years here |
| 03:22.28 | Azar | people have started feeling the windows pains, frustrations grew, interest for Debian increases |
| 03:22.36 | nosun | <nosun> more then ourselves |
| 03:22.36 | nosun | <Idle> rushy is 3 weeks? |
| 03:22.36 | nosun | <nosun> your wanting t |
| 03:22.53 | Azar | thanks for sharing, nosun |
| 03:22.54 | liable | oops |
| 03:23.31 | Azar | hmm this weekend, I will go I might be able to find Debian users there |
| 03:24.00 | magyar | what is the swap size on debian install? |
| 03:24.10 | magyar | swap partition |
| 03:24.16 | magyar | is it 2GB? |
| 03:24.24 | jtmitchum | it's what you make it? |
| 03:24.33 | jtmitchum | I would make it around 2 GB |
| 03:24.39 | jtmitchum | oh.. sorry... |
| 03:25.01 | magyar | why? |
| 03:25.22 | magyar | we all kool here |
| 03:25.27 | magyar | -_- |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | Azar: i don't remember where the original is .. but try to answer some of these questions for the city you live in http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Argentina/Mar_del_Plata |
| 03:25.36 | jtmitchum | well.. typical answer is twice the amount of ram you have |
| 03:25.49 | jtmitchum | I think that's a bit much past 1 Gb of RAM, so no more than 2 GB swap |
| 03:26.05 | magyar | shhweet, thanks jtmitchum |
| 03:26.33 | jtmitchum | ;) |
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| 03:29.20 | abrotman | Azar: it would seem some debian person will be at that SCALE this weekend |
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| 03:30.12 | Arrick | hey all |
| 03:30.20 | pattern | does anyone know of an application that will continually monitor the clipboard and take arbitrary actions based on the clipboard contents? |
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| 03:30.25 | pattern | or an app that will continually write every clipboard entry to a text file? |
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| 03:31.15 | mhall | !experimental |
| 03:31.16 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 03:33.19 | Azar | abrotman: who? :) |
| 03:34.08 | abrotman | Azar: no idea .. http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale6x/conference-info/exhibitions/Debian/ |
| 03:35.08 | Azar | hmm there is one guy from ubuntu |
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| 03:36.00 | Arrick | I understand that vmware isnt a debain package, but I am getting a weird error on my debian console (only when i run a certain VM) and i think (maybe) it might be how my bridged connections are setup. I get "rtc: lost some interrupts at 512Hz." when I run this certain VM, any ideas? |
| 03:36.17 | Azar | hehe "He lives in the England" |
| 03:36.17 | abrotman | Azar: Bdale will be there .. |
| 03:36.29 | Azar | wow, yay! nice! |
| 03:36.36 | kgoetz | Arrick: real time clock - yay for vmware... |
| 03:37.02 | Azar | worth 2 hours trip to LAX then |
| 03:37.08 | Arrick | kgoetz, is that what it is? |
| 03:37.21 | Arrick | any idea how to fix it? |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | Azar: i thought you lived in LA? |
| 03:37.36 | kgoetz | Arrick: i expect so. when do you get the error? |
| 03:37.59 | Arrick | when the VM is booting, but before goes to "terminal" |
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| 03:38.30 | kgoetz | Arrick: i expect its the clock. you can try installing ntp to reduce the issue, but i dont think you an fix it per se (discliamer, i dont use vmware ever) |
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| 03:39.18 | Arrick | yeah, i would use something else but ahem |
| 03:39.25 | Arrick | windows doesnt like much else lol |
| 03:39.30 | Azar | abrotman: I live in the L.A. "county" not the city, a small satellite town of L.A. |
| 03:39.47 | abrotman | Azar: so you like .. live in california? :) |
| 03:40.01 | Arrick | probably oceanside |
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| 03:40.24 | Azar | abrotman: ofcourse, I am like.. 30 miles from downtown L.A. |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | Azar: might not be worth driving .. unless you're going to stay for other sessions and look around |
| 03:41.02 | abrotman | Azar: and you're driving down? |
| 03:41.13 | Azar | abrotman: yes, curious, my first you know |
| 03:41.20 | abrotman | first drive ? |
| 03:41.25 | Azar | :) |
| 03:41.29 | Arrick | wow, you havde a very small ISP |
| 03:41.37 | Arrick | san jose lol |
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| 03:41.43 | Azar | first time meeting with Debian community |
| 03:41.58 | Azar | Arrick: who me? |
| 03:42.01 | Arrick | yeah |
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| 03:42.16 | Arrick | your isp range is 66.166.0.0 - 66.167.255.255 |
| 03:42.24 | Azar | heh, small yes |
| 03:42.28 | Arrick | lol |
| 03:42.38 | Arrick | must be a fairly small startup |
| 03:42.45 | Azar | google covad |
| 03:42.57 | Azar | is so small , earthlink rides on it |
| 03:43.04 | Arrick | lol |
| 03:43.59 | Azar | Arrick: covad is teh "source" from which other giant isps are sucking |
| 03:44.05 | Arrick | rofl |
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| 03:45.09 | Azar | so I moved from earthlink where I was a humilde dhcp one line user to covad where I got a bigger tit |
| 03:45.21 | abrotman | english ? |
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| 03:46.36 | Azar | covad is behind the courtain, is the main broadband provider for small-to-mid businesses, and for just a little more you get better deals as user: private, dedicated IP, fredom to have your own server(s).. |
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| 03:47.12 | Azar | att, earthlink, aol and others are "big" but they restrict usage |
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| 03:49.25 | spidey_ | Azar, i have att, and they don't restrict my usage |
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| 03:49.46 | drwahl | if i have root access on a machine, can i logout other users? |
| 03:49.49 | spidey_ | i have a static ip, i run a webserver, jabber server, mail server, and sometimes a game server |
| 03:49.54 | cybermad | i already run knoppix over my debian box, because there is problem with the fs. How to run fsck on knoppix? |
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| 03:50.37 | mib_h5ucbmzq | I'm having a problem with postgres 8.3.. When I try to create a unicode db, it gives me- |
| 03:50.39 | mib_h5ucbmzq | ERROR: encoding UTF8 does not match server's locale en_US |
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| 03:51.30 | CompWizd | drwahl: look into 'slay' |
| 03:51.30 | mib_h5ucbmzq | But I'm set to use UTF-8.. |
| 03:51.31 | mib_h5ucbmzq | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:51.45 | drwahl | CompWizd: thank you |
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| 03:52.42 | abrotman | mib_h5ucbmzq: is pgsql set to use utf though ? |
| 03:52.58 | Azar | spidey_: att don't let you have your own mailserver for example |
| 03:53.08 | spidey_ | Azar, works for me |
| 03:53.32 | spidey_ | atleast, it sorta works, if i ever take the time to 'properly' configure it... |
| 03:53.45 | Azar | spidey_: they called me with an offer but they say they don't allow me to have a server on the deal |
| 03:53.56 | Azar | ah well.. |
| 03:53.58 | spidey_ | what package? |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | mib_h5ucbmzq: not sure if this matters but the postgresql.conf does specify a language |
| 03:54.30 | spidey_ | i have the 6mbit dsl package, they haven't complained to me yet.. |
| 03:54.36 | Arrick | wth vmware resolves problems with "Which says that changing the timer frequency from 250Hz to 1000Hz in the kernel fixes this problem. This seems to require a kernel recompile. |
| 03:55.08 | Azar | spidey_: att is evil, it allways been, it allways be |
| 03:55.14 | spidey_ | xD |
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| 03:56.41 | Azar | they just pushed a law proposal to be voted here today, to release them of any liability regarding tax surcharges on their bell customers |
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| 03:58.46 | Azar | wow I could talk to Bdale from my dad's amateur radio! yay! |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | Azar: you're biking to the show? |
| 03:59.29 | Azar | abrotman: no, why? |
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| 03:59.51 | Azar | how you know I have a bike? |
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| 04:00.17 | Azar | no, Im taking my dad's car |
| 04:05.52 | liable | !ping |
| 04:05.52 | dpkg | pong |
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| 04:10.52 | cybermad | how do i mount /dev/hda1 on knoppix ? |
| 04:11.02 | wols | !knoppix |
| 04:11.03 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: https://alioth.Debian.org/projects/Debian-knoppix/ http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/, or <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems |
| 04:11.27 | liable | cybermad: knoppix normally automount your drives |
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| 04:12.04 | cybermad | i only can see /dev/hdc on knoppix, i want to fix the debian fs |
| 04:12.34 | cybermad | i got error message when running debian, that there is problem with my /dev/hda1 |
| 04:12.39 | liable | you dont want to mount it anyway if you want to run fsck |
| 04:13.12 | cybermad | liable i already in knoppix, how to fsck the debian fs? |
| 04:14.10 | liable | cybermad: fsck /dev/hda1 |
| 04:15.15 | cybermad | it said: fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda1 |
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| 04:15.35 | wols | cybermad: fdisk -l |
| 04:16.05 | abrotman | there's no ext2 fsck ? |
| 04:16.07 | cybermad | wols ok,.. but nothing happen |
| 04:16.13 | karsten | cybermad: Sounds like you didn't detect the physical disks, which may indicate a physical problem with the system. What does dmesg tell you about drives? |
| 04:16.14 | abrotman | oh .. misread |
| 04:16.47 | cybermad | karsten dmesg | grep something? |
| 04:16.52 | karsten | cybermad: You should see a line or lines similar to: sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sda |
| 04:17.17 | cybermad | ok |
| 04:17.35 | cybermad | i think the harddisk not detected... i will check the bios after this |
| 04:17.40 | karsten | cybermad: Otherwise, I'd power down and check cabling (power and data) to make sure everything's spinning up. If you can pull the drives out of the case or put your hand on the drive itself to feel it spinning. |
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| 04:17.47 | karsten | Yeah, BIOS is another bet. |
| 04:18.48 | karsten | cybermad: Might also try: modprobe scsi_mod; modprobe sd_mod; modprobe usb_storage |
| 04:19.09 | cybermad | karsten thanks for help ;) |
| 04:19.31 | karsten | usb_storage probably isn't necessary. |
| 04:19.33 | karsten | cybermad: NP. |
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| 04:20.35 | liable | nor the scsi ones i think if his drive was hda |
| 04:21.49 | karsten | Point. |
| 04:22.05 | karsten | cybermad: I was thinking SATA. Did you check to see if /dev/sda exists? SATA or ATA drives? |
| 04:22.16 | karsten | cybermad: dmesg | grep -i disk |
| 04:22.25 | karsten | cybermad: .... should turn up any detected disks (if any). |
| 04:22.31 | cybermad | just a minute guys.. i think i already fix the problem |
| 04:22.43 | cybermad | stay cool :D |
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| 04:26.00 | Arrick | ok, now that I have my Debian VM up and running for my web-host, how do i remove the LAMP stack i installed as a temp deal? |
| 04:26.22 | moshii | Arrick: aptitude |
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| 04:26.31 | Arrick | whats the syntax? |
| 04:26.31 | moshii | Arrick: + common sense |
| 04:26.45 | Arrick | ok different question |
| 04:26.50 | wols | !remove apache |
| 04:26.58 | Arrick | how do i get a txt list of all the packages installed on my serveR? |
| 04:27.03 | abrotman | !installed |
| 04:27.03 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 04:27.04 | wols | Arrick: you want to remove the apache*_common |
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| 04:27.12 | abrotman | apache2.2-common |
| 04:27.14 | abrotman | in etch anyways |
| 04:27.36 | moshii | what about the M.. |
| 04:27.38 | wols | abrotman: got new toys. finally a dual core |
| 04:27.45 | Arrick | the vm is installed and operational |
| 04:27.56 | abrotman | wols: woohoo! |
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| 04:28.02 | wols | yay. xmas! |
| 04:28.03 | abrotman | wols: can i have your old one ? |
| 04:28.16 | niru | hi |
| 04:28.19 | Arrick | sure, you can, for the price of a quad core |
| 04:28.23 | niru | hi wols abrotman |
| 04:28.25 | wols | already in use again. cause on _that_ one the mobo developed a bad cap |
| 04:28.27 | abrotman | hi |
| 04:28.33 | wols | you can get the bad cap mobo :) |
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| 04:28.34 | niru | I have installed redhat |
| 04:28.39 | niru | then installed debian |
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| 04:28.49 | moshii | !enter |
| 04:28.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 04:28.51 | niru | now unable to boot into sorry fedora |
| 04:28.53 | wols | niru: a step up |
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| 04:29.03 | niru | it shows unable to find /dev |
| 04:29.05 | wols | who'd would want to boot fedora? |
| 04:29.12 | niru | and /sys |
| 04:29.17 | niru | and /proc |
| 04:29.41 | wols | that fedora can't find its ass or its directories is no concern of #debian |
| 04:30.04 | niru | wols, can u let me know where can I ask this query |
| 04:30.16 | cybermad | i got this when running fsck /dev/hda1: /dev/hda1 contains a file system with errors, check forced. Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and size. Error reading block 2064410 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. Ignore error<y>? |
| 04:30.19 | cybermad | :( |
| 04:30.36 | moshii | niru: #fedora, google fedora support,... |
| 04:30.52 | cybermad | i answer y, then there's question: Force rewrite<y>? |
| 04:30.58 | cybermad | i answer yes again.. |
| 04:31.35 | cybermad | is that mean something? |
| 04:31.42 | moshii | cybermad: I think there is an option to have fsck answer yes for you |
| 04:31.57 | moshii | cybermad: Suggests you have some breakage though ;) |
| 04:32.08 | cybermad | yes hehe :) |
| 04:32.15 | cybermad | i'm just not sure.. |
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| 04:35.12 | Evil_ | Would wireless internet work with Debian? I have a Dell Wireless 1490 Dual Band WLAN Mini-Card |
| 04:35.29 | moshii | cybermad: the -p option I think only fixes things it thinks are safe to do without telling you, maybe thats what you want |
| 04:35.29 | liable | depends what its chipset is |
| 04:35.36 | rsteele | you tell me ;) |
| 04:35.38 | moshii | Evil_: lspci and tell us what chipset it is |
| 04:35.49 | abrotman | Evil_: that's a broadcom card i believe .. bcm43xx |
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| 04:35.57 | Evil_ | I'm on windows at the moment, debating on installing debian |
| 04:36.05 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 04:36.05 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Replaced with <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. |
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| 04:36.49 | liable | hrm, why mention legacy when theres a new better driver |
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| 04:36.49 | abrotman | thouhg i don't see the 1490 on there |
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| 04:37.21 | Evil_ | ODdly enough, my regular internet plugin thing won't work, so wireless is the only way I'm able to connect :( |
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| 04:38.24 | abrotman | wols: damn you .. now i want a new one! |
| 04:38.41 | wols | abrotman: fairly cheap as those things go. and does 3GHz :) |
| 04:38.51 | wols | and as intel intended but.... |
| 04:38.56 | abrotman | wols: i mean a new laptop |
| 04:39.05 | wols | e2160+Gigabyte P35 |
| 04:39.13 | abrotman | wols: a new thinkpad of course :) |
| 04:39.22 | wols | bah, lappies. overpriced lapjunk that makes you sterile :P |
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| 04:39.31 | wols | overpriced chinese junk :P |
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| 04:39.49 | moshii | or Japanese.. |
| 04:39.52 | abrotman | wols: this is a bad thing ? would you like to see little abrotmans running around ? |
| 04:39.54 | liable | yeah, lets see you drag your tower to the coffe shop |
| 04:40.01 | cybermad | I think my debian already fixed. but i got another big problem... |
| 04:40.03 | wols | point conceded |
| 04:40.22 | cybermad | i can not login to my debian :( i tried my username & password but it said incorrect |
| 04:40.25 | cybermad | :( |
| 04:40.37 | wols | liable: shuttle sized PC could do it. but it's no mATX board herer |
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| 04:40.46 | moshii | cybermad: boot with init=/bin/sh or remember your root password |
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| 04:40.59 | abrotman | or realize that fsck killed something you really needed |
| 04:41.09 | cybermad | yes i know my root password |
| 04:41.14 | moshii | yeah, that too :P |
| 04:41.28 | liable | if you can log in as root, just rerun passwd |
| 04:41.43 | Arrick | !apache |
| 04:41.43 | dpkg | apache is probably a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about <apache-perl5.6>, or ask me about <apache manual>. Apache 1.3 is obsolete, see bug #418266 and ask me about <apache2>. |
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| 04:43.18 | cybermad | arrrgghh... i can not login with my default username & password, root password incorrect too... i'm very sure with the password |
| 04:43.34 | Arrick | pwnt |
| 04:43.36 | cybermad | i think after fsck /dev/hda1, it corrupt the database |
| 04:43.37 | cybermad | :( |
| 04:43.54 | wols | more likely it corrupted PAM or a library |
| 04:43.55 | Arrick | restore from backup |
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| 04:44.04 | wols | which is much worse than a corrupted DB |
| 04:44.06 | Arrick | (yeah right, who here keeps backups)? lol |
| 04:44.21 | cybermad | don't have backup :o |
| 04:44.30 | Arrick | wow, i am a mind reader |
| 04:44.43 | cybermad | the services is running.. but i just can not manage the system |
| 04:44.54 | se7en | somebody help me with compiz --replace i get tatal failed test composite extension |
| 04:44.55 | cybermad | actually this debian just running as Fax Server |
| 04:44.59 | moshii | Arrick: everyone here has a decent RAID setup of course.. |
| 04:45.07 | cybermad | what is this: boot with init=/bin/sh ? |
| 04:45.10 | cybermad | how to do that? |
| 04:45.15 | cybermad | is that will help me |
| 04:45.23 | Arrick | lol moshii |
| 04:45.43 | moshii | cybermad: probably best to reinstall that setup ;) |
| 04:46.02 | Arrick | oh wow |
| 04:46.13 | cybermad | moshii huaaaa....huaaaaa.... -_- -_- ok ok.... lol.. thanks! |
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| 04:46.30 | Arrick | I just saw that if I run aptitude and hit enter, I can see a visual of everything installed and not installed in the package list |
| 04:46.48 | moshii | cybermad: The amount of time fixing all the random broke stuff probably won't be worth it |
| 04:47.09 | cybermad | yes, actually the installation of fax server is easy too.. |
| 04:47.09 | wols | abrotman: oh oh. trouble in paradise.... just got a random segfault in console |
| 04:47.19 | wols | guess I need a kernel compile |
| 04:47.23 | cybermad | i'm lucky this not happen on file server... ;p |
| 04:47.29 | cybermad | or web server |
| 04:47.31 | abrotman | wols: that's better than the last segfault i got |
| 04:47.52 | wols | just said "segfault" in irssi, at some hex address. that's all |
| 04:48.23 | wols | ah. in gnome screensaver |
| 04:48.30 | wols | nullpointer |
| 04:48.35 | wols | so maybe not all is lost :) |
| 04:48.49 | moshii | I see a lot of segfaults in dmesg on an amd64 kernel, ones I didn't even realise happened |
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| 04:49.24 | wols | i386, sid .24 debian stock right now. had to get a kmuto to rescue boot since 2.6.18 was no workie |
| 04:49.37 | wols | and my customs had not the necessary driver |
| 04:50.07 | wols | need to reinstall debian soonish. my epenis wants to go 64bit |
| 04:50.25 | cybermad | for the future.. how to prevent this problem? should i create something like backdoor via web access? or bakcup is the best solution? how to do backup in debian? |
| 04:50.51 | wols | you had a broken filesystem. the only safeguard there is a backup |
| 04:51.06 | moshii | wols: then recompile everything with the new core2 tuning options in gcc? ;) |
| 04:51.12 | cybermad | wols is there any guide of doing backup and restore in debian? |
| 04:51.18 | wols | cause just as now PAM is fubar if could have been your webdoor back access |
| 04:51.26 | wols | !backup |
| 04:51.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at ... |
| 04:51.33 | abrotman | the files might be in lost+found |
| 04:51.43 | wols | moshii: I don't think so |
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| 04:52.39 | cybermad | wols do you mean i archive (tar) the whole / ? |
| 04:53.00 | wols | it's one way to do it |
| 04:53.09 | wols | it depends a bit on your medium and things like that |
| 04:53.22 | Arrick | hey, laptop-detect isnt needed on a desktop server is it? |
| 04:53.39 | cybermad | wols i'm curious.. then how to do restore? |
| 04:53.42 | cybermad | !restore |
| 04:53.50 | cybermad | no help |
| 04:54.02 | moshii | cybermad: you could use a frontend like backupninja to make things easier |
| 04:54.10 | abrotman | Arrick: likely not ... |
| 04:54.10 | wols | with tar?. boot from livecd and untar on your target |
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| 04:54.31 | cybermad | wols ahh... nice :) |
| 04:54.39 | cybermad | wols good trick... thanks |
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| 04:55.08 | cybermad | moshii yes, thanks... i will google for backupninja |
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| 05:01.43 | shawn__ | !tell miesco nvidia oneliner |
| 05:01.51 | shawn__ | !tell shawn__ nvidia oneliner |
| 05:02.17 | wols | !tell shawn__ about selftell |
| 05:02.20 | shib | does anyone know why the xfce4 themes are missing when you go from etch->sid? |
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| 05:16.39 | se7en | i need some help with installing nvidia i get the compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the curren compiler (gcc 4.2) what do i do next |
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| 05:18.23 | wols | either ignore and hope for the best or install gcc-4.1 |
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| 05:18.51 | wols | but m-a should handle that for you |
| 05:19.51 | se7en | i ignored it and nvidia installed but i cant start compiz wols |
| 05:20.26 | se7en | apt-get install gcc-4.1 is already the newest version |
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| 05:21.08 | wols | se7en: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 05:23.52 | se7en | hmm that is strange no output but i get the nvidia logo on log on |
| 05:24.25 | cizzi | is there anyway to get the onboard video controller on the intel dg33fb motherboard to work with debian? |
| 05:24.44 | cizzi | it hangs on boot |
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| 05:25.58 | wols | cizzi: get the latest driver from intel perhaps |
| 05:26.22 | wols | se7en: cause you probably used the nvidia.com installer. we don't support that here. #nvidia |
| 05:26.51 | se7en | wols: how would i do it the debian way |
| 05:26.54 | wols | debian has packages. either you use those or ask the guy who gave you the software for support |
| 05:26.59 | wols | !tell se7en about nvidia |
| 05:27.17 | wols | se7en: what debian branch? |
| 05:27.40 | se7en | wols: lenny |
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| 05:28.21 | wols | !tell se7en about simple sid backport |
| 05:28.31 | wols | you need to do your own backport from sid nvidia packages |
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| 05:30.29 | se7en | ok thanks for your help wols i will try to get it working |
| 05:31.08 | wols | if you have questions about thebackporting. that we can support |
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| 05:35.38 | Zambezi | Isn't there a netinstall for Lenny? |
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| 05:38.08 | Zambezi | I want Lenny, but I don't want to download and burn four DVD. |
| 05:39.04 | moshii | Zambezi: If you're really able to run lenny you should have no problem finding the installer images |
| 05:39.27 | genii | Hello. I'm currently downloading the DVD iso images via torrent (amd64). The seeding of the 3rd DVD seems dismal. Is it crucial for installation? |
| 05:40.01 | Aciid | genii: only if you want 'local' mirror of the packages |
| 05:40.02 | moshii | genii: no. |
| 05:40.15 | Aciid | only CD-1 or DVD-1 are required for the installation |
| 05:40.25 | genii | Ah, thanks. |
| 05:40.48 | Zambezi | moshii: I haven't found the netinst yet. Just the DVD-images. |
| 05:41.06 | wols | Zambezi: same place the dvds are |
| 05:41.11 | Aciid | Debian's installation steps are misleading, me and my friends have gotten it all wrong when we started using Debian |
| 05:41.19 | wols | and no, only the first DVD is crucial |
| 05:41.28 | Aciid | found our selves downloading all the CD-#'s from the mirror |
| 05:41.36 | Aciid | then I asked at IRC... |
| 05:41.39 | se7en | !backports |
| 05:41.40 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 05:41.55 | moshii | Aciid: I'm pretty sure is says somewhere on the site the first cd is enough for most people.. |
| 05:42.03 | genii | heh "dpkg" bot .. nice |
| 05:42.10 | Aciid | moshii: well I didnt find that at the time :< |
| 05:42.12 | se7en | !simple sid backport |
| 05:42.12 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 05:42.21 | wols | !tell se7en about selftell |
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| 05:42.35 | mynullvoid | hello all |
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| 05:42.55 | mynullvoid | how do I get a script running upon hal startup? |
| 05:42.55 | moshii | "Are you sure you really need the full CDs? You can just get the basic installation system - it will download the rest of the distribution if and when needed during the installation." |
| 05:43.03 | moshii | So there we goes. |
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| 05:44.02 | Vic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:45.10 | Zambezi | wols: Can't find the netinst for Lenny. Just CD/DVD via bt, jigdo, rsync etc |
| 05:45.51 | moshii | Zambezi: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/faq/#netinst |
| 05:46.08 | wols | Zambezi: while it exists, you are not supposed to use it |
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| 05:46.35 | wols | lenny installers are there for testing the installer itself. not to install anything |
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| 05:47.09 | Zambezi | Only stable ther. |
| 05:47.12 | gberardi | I know pwd prints the current directory, but how do I get an absolute path for a relative path? |
| 05:47.20 | wols | cause only stable is what you want |
| 05:47.33 | gberardi | That is, if I want to know that ../../lib is really /home/gberardi/lib. |
| 05:47.38 | Zambezi | wols: I want the encryption. |
| 05:47.54 | wols | etch installer does encryption |
| 05:48.31 | Zambezi | wols: I thought so, but is it home and boot too? |
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| 05:49.04 | wols | unlikely and unneeded |
| 05:49.16 | wols | encrypting the bootloader is not desirable |
| 05:49.51 | Swelly | wols, thanks for that kmuto link yesterday it's working peachy :) just got to get my mail back now haha |
| 05:50.08 | wols | Swelly: had to use kmuto today mayself. got new hardware. yay! |
| 05:50.10 | Zambezi | wols: A friend said everything is encrypted except the kernel, but I haven't tried Debian myself. |
| 05:50.22 | wols | the friend has no clue |
| 05:50.30 | wols | neither bootloader nor kernel is encrypted |
| 05:50.36 | Swelly | wols, nice, is it quick ? :) |
| 05:50.41 | wols | and strangely enough those are the only things in /boot |
| 05:50.54 | moshii | wols: initramfs.. |
| 05:50.56 | wols | Swelly: E2160 at 3GHz |
| 05:51.03 | wols | moshii: that's part of the kernel |
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| 05:51.41 | moshii | more userland than kernel, but fair enough. |
| 05:52.03 | Zambezi | wols: I've been up almost 24 hours. First some sleep. Then Debian. |
| 05:52.47 | cyberkni | I have maildrop and courier authdaemon being used to deliver my mail locally. I keep the path to where the user's maildir should be in a MySQL db which authdaemon knows how to query. Via strace I see that authdaemon returns the right information to maildrop in home and mail but I am unable to get get maildrop to use that data instead of the environment variables when it runs as non-root. What am I doing wrong? |
| 05:52.57 | wols | good choice when trying to install an ecnrypted / |
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| 05:53.55 | Zambezi | wols: Will do. My experience from installing encryption when I tried is: "WTF. Wrong password". ;-) |
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| 05:54.56 | Zambezi | wols: Night. |
| 05:57.48 | Swelly | wols, nice on the 2160, they dropped in price here 2 weeks after i got my damned amd system :/ |
| 05:57.59 | entaro | hey ppl. can someone tell me, how do i find out, where some app was launched from? i have nginx running, but there are 2 versions installed, and i have no idea which is running |
| 05:58.19 | genii | Is there someplace good documentation on values found in installation preseed files? (for automated install with pxe boots, for example) |
| 05:58.40 | wols | Swelly: first intel after 13 years |
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| 05:59.17 | sep | genii, you mean like the preseed example file in the docs ? |
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| 06:00.45 | genii | sep: It is sadly lacking as in a comprehensive list of what variables may be available to set/declare/ignore etc. Recently I have been using a cli install then switching to error console to try and deduce what input is needed. Tedious however. |
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| 06:02.49 | PorcoRex | hola |
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| 06:05.56 | cizzi | what happens when you boot with acpi=off? |
| 06:06.00 | cizzi | is it bad? |
| 06:06.22 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.22 | moshii | disables acpi, which makes things work on some machines. |
| 06:06.30 | wols | only bad when it's a lappy |
| 06:06.31 | moshii | machines with apm instead. |
| 06:06.39 | wols | on desktop it's fairly irrelevant |
| 06:07.10 | cizzi | thanks |
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| 06:09.00 | moshii | wols: acpi is involved with smp too iirc |
| 06:09.21 | sep | genii, if your looking at preseeding a spesific package, you can read that package's template file. |
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| 06:11.02 | wols | moshii: APIC you mean? |
| 06:11.34 | moshii | wols: the acpi variable can control ht etc :/ |
| 06:11.35 | genii | sep: Ah, thanks for the tip. |
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| 06:12.06 | cizzi | if I use acpi=off i can use my onboard video |
| 06:12.55 | wols | cizzi: do you have a dualcore? |
| 06:13.00 | cizzi | wols - quad |
| 06:13.11 | wols | and all 4 cpus working wihtout acpi? |
| 06:13.13 | moshii | cizzi: do you notice that it only brings up some of the cores like that? |
| 06:13.25 | cizzi | moshii - i didnt notice |
| 06:13.33 | wols | check /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:13.33 | cizzi | let me check |
| 06:13.36 | moshii | dual core with acpi=off disables one of the cores iirc |
| 06:13.52 | wols | you mean APIC |
| 06:14.18 | moshii | wols: nope, I remember this from playing around with HT |
| 06:14.46 | cizzi | what the hell |
| 06:14.46 | cizzi | cpu cores : 1 |
| 06:14.49 | peterS | so dual core capable motherboards don't do MPS 1.1 or MPS 1.4? |
| 06:14.50 | cizzi | im taking that crap out |
| 06:14.55 | cizzi | i'll use my nvidia card |
| 06:14.57 | moshii | see I was right ;~ |
| 06:14.59 | cizzi | yes |
| 06:15.06 | wols | strange |
| 06:15.32 | wols | hm, time to check my AHCI |
| 06:15.34 | wols | bbs |
| 06:15.34 | moshii | I think acpi is involved with informing the kernel about what cores are there and their configuration.. |
| 06:16.02 | peterS | moshii: yeah but MPS can do that too, that's what all Intelish multiprocessor systems _used_ to use back before ACPI was invented |
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| 06:16.11 | anom01y | I have a newbie question |
| 06:16.14 | anom01y | need quick help |
| 06:16.17 | peterS | (it means Multi-Processor Specification, actually) |
| 06:16.18 | entaro | hey ppl. can someone tell me, how do i find out, where some app was launched from? i have nginx running, but there are 2 versions installed, and i have no idea which is running |
| 06:16.31 | cizzi | moshii - u think they will fix this in the future? |
| 06:16.33 | anom01y | how can I prevent a script that I made in konsole from running all the commands in the script at the same time |
| 06:16.37 | chaataka | entaro: e.g. $( ps aux | grep -m1 nginx | awk '{print $11}' ) -v |
| 06:16.43 | anom01y | I would like the script to run one command after another |
| 06:17.16 | moshii | peterS: The recent "lots of cores" thing is all crap anyhow, they should be working on memory interfaces to feed such highly clocked chips first |
| 06:17.34 | peterS | anom01y: umm ... shell scripts always execute one line after another. unless you use the & operator to "background" a process so the next can run before that one finishes |
| 06:17.53 | peterS | moshii: 640k of L2 cache ought to be enough for anybody |
| 06:18.05 | entaro | chaataka: thanks mate. it says 'root' |
| 06:18.06 | moshii | cizzi: dunno, I think you need acpi on for the kernel to bring the cores up, not exactly sure why I noticed it while experimenting |
| 06:18.27 | entaro | chaataka: kinda strange... there can't be anything in / |
| 06:18.56 | chaataka | entaro: fix it man, do it step by step |
| 06:18.57 | moshii | cizzi: probably best to buy anyother card and use all 4 cores ;) |
| 06:19.09 | cizzi | moshii - i have a 8400 gs |
| 06:19.19 | cizzi | i just tried to get the onboard working for fun |
| 06:19.38 | cizzi | i got it to work |
| 06:19.38 | cizzi | but |
| 06:19.41 | cizzi | no cores |
| 06:19.42 | cizzi | lol |
| 06:19.54 | entaro | chaataka: oops. easy stuff, thanks a lot =) i can be dumb sometimes =)) |
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| 06:19.57 | cizzi | kinda defeats the purpose |
| 06:20.08 | moshii | how much do the quad core chips have 16MB L2 cache or something? |
| 06:20.14 | Merphy | hello every body |
| 06:20.28 | slakmagik | anom01y: if you want to see gaps in the command execution (which already are sequential as peterS noted), you can add 'sleep's between |
| 06:20.47 | genii | moshii: The box for my q6600 says 8Mb, but there may be other flavours |
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| 06:21.09 | Merphy | I want to mirror debian repositry (stable) to make install server locally. please guide me |
| 06:21.11 | moshii | geezem I just get to two cores and they move the posts again |
| 06:21.12 | cizzi | moshii i think so.. 4mb each |
| 06:21.30 | moshii | cizzi: according to x86info I have 4MB per core here |
| 06:21.33 | genii | Merphy: apt-mirror |
| 06:21.55 | peterS | Merphy: that, or apt-proxy - a proxy http cache intended for debian repositories - that way you download only what you need, exactly once for each package |
| 06:22.02 | Merphy | will you kindly explain (genii) |
| 06:23.27 | genii | Merphy: apt-mirror will go download and mirror what is in the repository to your hard drive. But you my want more what peterS explains, where one machine acts as a gateway to the machine which is installing (apt-proxy) |
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| 06:24.19 | Merphy | PeterS! I want to make this server available to others through web also (just like packages server ) |
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| 06:24.59 | peterS | Merphy: yes. the advantage of apt-proxy is that it downloads only what the clients ask for, when they ask for it. so your first install will be slow but the second one will be quite a bit faster. and you don't have to download anything (except the apt-proxy code) in advance |
| 06:25.38 | Merphy | pleze let me know how to apt-proxy? |
| 06:25.52 | peterS | Merphy: any HTTP caching proxy will do the same, really - I hear Squid or a commercial proxy will actually work just as well as apt-proxy |
| 06:26.02 | genii | Merphy: I found mirroring typically consumes 30 to 35 Gb and somewhat inefficient, unless you have lots of space and bandwidth. apt-proxy is more efficient this way. It depends of course which is better suited to your purpose. |
| 06:26.14 | peterS | as for how to use apt-proxy, it has documentation. I haven't set it up myself, so anything I tell you is likely to be wrong. |
| 06:26.16 | moshii | Merphy: there is apt-cacherng too |
| 06:26.27 | peterS | I've tried apt-cacher, a competitor, and I'm not entirely happy with it |
| 06:27.03 | Merphy | will you kindly look at http://www.reviewingit.com/index.php/content/view/62/1/ (does it serves my purpose?) |
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| 06:28.29 | peterS | Merphy: that article has nothing to do with debian repository caching or mirroring. it is about Subversion repositories, which is a completely different thing. |
| 06:28.43 | peterS | or, if you prefer, php3 would probably be fine too |
| 06:29.01 | peterS | (disregard that last line, it was meant for someone else) |
| 06:29.22 | Merphy | ok |
| 06:30.12 | Merphy | bandwidth and storage is not problem I just want a reliable soure of packages locally available |
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| 06:31.05 | peterS | Merphy: then you probably do want to look at the apt-mirror package |
| 06:31.11 | moshii | Merphy: etch packages? |
| 06:31.15 | peterS | I haven't used that either, as my bandwidth and storage _are_ limited (: |
| 06:31.56 | Merphy | ok |
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| 06:34.43 | genii | Merphy: There is a somewhat comprehensive howto for apt-mirror here if you like http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
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| 06:39.52 | genii | Have a good night and thanks for the tips on preseed information. |
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| 06:41.50 | Merphy | Thank you very much! hope you will see very soon my server up and running with all the packages to server me and others. Thanks once again |
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| 06:42.51 | TPC | ARGH |
| 06:43.07 | TPC | didn't apt-get used to give a warning about "you should restart firefox (or iceweasel)" |
| 06:43.17 | TPC | this time it force closed it on me when upgrading |
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| 06:43.21 | TPC | I lost alot of work :( |
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| 06:47.12 | moshii | TPC: I don't think it would have killed ff personally.. |
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| 06:47.44 | moshii | TPC: Probably firefoxed puked of it's own accord, doing upgrades with lots of "work" open is a silly idea. |
| 06:48.05 | TPC | well, maybe it was upgrading the java plugin or something that did it |
| 06:48.07 | TPC | but still |
| 06:48.26 | TPC | hm.. maybe the "restore session" thing will work |
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| 06:49.07 | moshii | the wouldn't be a "restore session" dialog if apt/dpkg had killed it, so it crashed. |
| 06:49.16 | moshii | s/the/there/ |
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| 07:13.43 | fahad | Hi. I have to work with a debian server with custom install of apache2. I need to install mailman. However aptitude does not know that apache is installed is there a way to tel it? |
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| 07:17.06 | godling | I have an Intel 4965 wifi adapter. I downloaded the amd64 net iso and booted, but it does not seem to detect my adapter. I read on the forums that the driver is included in the unstable distribution; my question is this: is there a way to make an internet installation work or am I going to have to download the iso files? |
| 07:17.10 | lymeca | I need a console DirectConnect (DC++) client which suports TTH hashing for the files on the share and uploading to users. |
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| 07:28.59 | Kuwanger | I want to add a custom file in /usr/local/lib to be available as fulfilling the requirements to provide as an alternative. Is there a proper way to do this? If so, how? |
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| 07:36.37 | liable | yay, my box just locked up with mplayer looping |
| 07:37.14 | godling | liable: is it a good loop? |
| 07:37.44 | liable | nah, it was pretty crap, and thats from a techno lover ;) |
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| 07:41.27 | Nyle | hello |
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| 07:43.48 | terfy | goooood morning vietnaaam |
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| 07:44.26 | drwahl | is there some command/tool to check output the harddisks/partitions in my system? |
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| 07:44.46 | terfy | debians gnome.. is that a debian-version of gnome or just "gnome". ?? |
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| 07:46.40 | terfy | sometimes I feel that I've been banned from almost all users.. (I never get any answers) |
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| 07:48.27 | godling | drwahl: df will give you a list of all the mounted disks, is that what you mean? |
| 07:48.31 | drwahl | sorry terfy, i'm not exactly sure the answer to your question. i would have to assume that it is a build of gnome from the gnome project, not something custom built for debian |
| 07:48.50 | liable | i dont think debian patches gnome much |
| 07:49.00 | terfy | oki.. thanks |
| 07:49.04 | drwahl | godling: nah, i'm actually looking for a disk that isnt mounted, i think i may have found it (hda) but i do not know the filesystem (or if hda is even actually correct) |
| 07:49.21 | alturiak | things you don't want to read at 23:30 on the evening before an exam: http://pastebin.ca/893081 :) |
| 07:50.07 | terfy | I just asked because I had to know if desktop problems should be asked on gnomes channel or debians channel... thank you |
| 07:50.16 | godling | drwahl: cfdisk may be what you are looking for, but be careful if you are just looking because you can edit the partitions |
| 07:50.30 | drwahl | godling: i will try that, thanks |
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| 07:56.46 | alturiak | hmm... does /var/log/dmesg get overwritten at reboot? |
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| 07:57.31 | JimPanic | Does anyone know why xterm would ignore my Alt key? It's pretty much having no effect at all. I'm running testing on a ThinkPad T61 |
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| 07:58.46 | MasterGH | Hi, my system seems to be not using the hardware clock correctly. My hc's time is set to my local time (Australia/Brisbane, GMT +10), but whenever I boot the sys time seems to get set to 10 hours before the time my hc is set to, making me have to run 'hwclock --hctosys' to get the right time. I've got /etc/localtime sym-linked to the right timezone in /usr/share/zoneinfo/, and the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS set to no. Is there something I've |
| 07:59.15 | JimPanic | The funny thing is: I have to use xterm, because xfce4, as well as gnome-terminal, is hilariously slow when switching desktops or resizing the window. (have to wait 1-4s until something happens) |
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| 08:02.50 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 08:02.50 | dpkg | equivs is, like, a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 08:02.57 | valdyn | fahad: ^^ |
| 08:03.30 | JimPanic | Anyone experiencing similar things, maybe, on other ThinkPads? |
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| 08:04.39 | fahad | thanks buddy! I'll look into it |
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| 08:05.45 | nocho | |
| 08:05.45 | nocho | Hello everyone |
| 08:06.13 | MasterGH | Oh, I forgot, my /etc/timezone file has "Australia/Brisbane" in it. |
| 08:07.23 | nocho | How do I disable the information that I get on consoles "TTY" When I connect mode ppoe? |
| 08:09.17 | nocho | Status information for connection prevents me from properly using the console, by the signs of information kernel |
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| 08:12.49 | debian_ | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x080e63cf *** |
| 08:12.50 | debian_ | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x080e63cf *** |
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| 08:12.51 | debian_ | *** glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x080e63cf *** |
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| 08:13.06 | debian_ | Gaim text says: glibc detected *** malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0x080e63cf |
| 08:13.50 | MasterGH | Rebooting to try something else, be back soon (unless I get caught up in RL stuff). |
| 08:13.56 | debian_ | gaim text wont work... |
| 08:14.51 | debian_ | Sorry bout that, I was scrolled to the top of the page... |
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| 08:18.16 | jetscreamer | nocho: turn on your firewall |
| 08:18.39 | jetscreamer | nocho: works for me |
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| 08:18.57 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 08:18.58 | dpkg | i guess printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 08:19.46 | MasterGH | Okay, so, it appears to always set the time to the UTC upon a fresh boot, no-matter what I set the hardware clock at in the BIOS |
| 08:20.06 | MasterGH | always sets* |
| 08:20.59 | nocho | <jetscreamer> If I can successfully connect my problem is that my connecting tty screen is filled with information about the connection information in real time. |
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| 08:23.17 | MasterGH | Stupid satellite dropped out... |
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| 08:28.54 | debian_ | Is there a good text based replacement for gaim-text? |
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| 08:29.42 | chaataka | nocho: you may background the process and redirect std error like in: `some_PPOE_script > /dev/null 2>&1 &' and won't see a bit... even a failure |
| 08:30.58 | chaataka | debian_: bitlbee + irc client ? |
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| 08:31.30 | nocho | <chaataka> I tried but it does not work: ( |
| 08:31.47 | nocho | pon dsl-provider & |
| 08:31.53 | debian_ | chaataka: No irc, msn protocol |
| 08:31.54 | nocho | pon dsl-provider & >/dev/null |
| 08:32.52 | chaataka | debian_: bitlbee supports msn, as well as jabber and icq, and all that in your favourite irc client. Check their site for more info |
| 08:33.11 | jetscreamer | nocho: yes that is controlled by printk |
| 08:33.38 | jetscreamer | nocho: but turning my firewall to high also kills the spam |
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| 08:34.24 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 08:34.25 | dpkg | hmm... printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 08:34.43 | debian_ | chaataka: Is there a magic command to start it? |
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| 08:37.25 | debian_ | The manual broke my terminal window... |
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| 08:38.05 | chaataka | debian_: magic ;) well, sort of... you don't need to install the bitlbee gateway, you may use a public bitlbee server like im.bitlbee.org |
| 08:38.09 | nocho | <jetscreamer> That firewall, does iptables with firestarter |
| 08:38.34 | jetscreamer | nocho: ok |
| 08:38.45 | debian_ | I need to pass my secret messages through someone elses server? |
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| 08:39.25 | nocho | Thanks guys, proof that their proposals are all very kind! :) |
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| 08:40.13 | chaataka | debian_: do sth like: /server bitlbee im.bitlbee.org 6667 -auto -nicks Nick1 Nick2 Nick3; register <passwd>; account add msn <account> <passwd> in your current client |
| 08:40.33 | chaataka | debian_: that's why i suggest that you _install_ bitlbee! |
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| 08:41.11 | nocho | <jetscreamer> <chaataka> <dpkg> Thank you |
| 08:41.29 | debian_ | I have bitlbee, elsway man bitlbee wouldnt work, right? |
| 08:42.01 | joltcan | bitlbee can be the best thing since sliced bread |
| 08:42.14 | chaataka | debian_: pardon me ?! |
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| 08:42.46 | debian_ | I typed man bitlbee, it came a manual page and broke my terminal, therfore it is installed |
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| 08:43.47 | chaataka | debian_: hahah, so then just /server bitlbee localhost |
| 08:43.49 | Arafangion | At home I use debian all the time, etc, and I love it |
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| 08:44.35 | Arafangion | However, I often need to use a windows machine (I don't own the machine), and would like to know if there was a decent command line shell I could get for it? MS Powershell is stupid, and Cygwin is too big a download. |
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| 08:44.57 | Arafangion | Would any of you guys happen to know of any alternatives? Has bash been ported to windows? |
| 08:45.14 | cahoot | wash? |
| 08:45.43 | Arafangion | wash? |
| 08:45.51 | cahoot | sorry |
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| 08:46.38 | fengor | Arafangion: http://www.fefe.de/nowindows/ |
| 08:47.15 | Arafangion | fengor: Regardless. |
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| 08:48.35 | Arafangion | fengor: Essentially, consider windows to be part of the hardware in certain situations. |
| 08:48.50 | Arafangion | fengor: You have just as much control over windows as you do over the hardware. |
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| 08:49.09 | fengor | yeah i decide which hardwarre to buy so? |
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| 08:49.24 | fengor | but this is no topic for #debian |
| 08:49.36 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:49.41 | fengor | morning dimir |
| 08:49.44 | Arafangion | fengor: Lucky you. I was just asking if anyone could suggest anything. _you_ turned it into a topic! |
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| 08:49.57 | debian__ | my irssi is buggy... |
| 08:50.06 | Arafangion | debian__: Define "buggy". |
| 08:50.36 | debian__ | When I write comands it doesnt do what I want, and /sc doesnt work... |
| 08:51.05 | Arafangion | debian__: Perhaps the other irc client you used used non-conventional commands? |
| 08:51.09 | fengor | debian__: thats what computers normally do: do what you told them to do not what you want them to do |
| 08:51.24 | fengor | !doesnt work |
| 08:51.24 | dpkg | from memory, doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 08:52.25 | debian__ | And gaim-text has hudge memory leaks |
| 08:52.47 | debian__ | After that gaim-text crashes... |
| 08:53.01 | fengor | so are we talking gaim-text or irssi now? |
| 08:53.10 | Arafangion | debian__: What the heck is "/sc" anyway? |
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| 08:53.25 | debian__ | fengor: They are equal strange /scrollback clear |
| 08:53.42 | Arafangion | /sc |
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| 08:54.00 | fengor | /sc is not defined per default in irssi afaik |
| 08:54.11 | dondelelcaro | you probably mean /sb clear or similar. |
| 08:54.15 | Arafangion | debian__: You mean, clear the text buffer? irssi has a different method. It has a line limit instead, which you can change and/or log. |
| 08:54.18 | debian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.40 | fengor | use /sb clear in irssi |
| 08:54.42 | debian__ | Arafangion: But I have to do it manually. Or I might loose a message... |
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| 08:54.55 | debian__ | fengor: Why not /sb c? |
| 08:54.56 | Arafangion | debian__: In irc, the abbreviated commands tend to be the truncated command, rather than some obscure "shortened" spelling. |
| 08:55.19 | dondelelcaro | debian__: because that's what the command is |
| 08:55.19 | Arafangion | *irssi |
| 08:55.20 | fengor | because there is no f**** alias for it per default. if you want /sb c or /sc make an alias |
| 08:55.36 | debian__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.38 | fengor | try /help alias |
| 08:55.53 | debian__ | c is alias for clear as default! |
| 08:56.12 | Arafangion | It's not the same because *drumroll* - it's different! |
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| 08:56.42 | knolze_143352 | moin |
| 08:57.02 | knolze_143352 | halllo |
| 08:57.10 | fengor | morning knolze_143352 |
| 08:57.46 | knolze_143352 | mahlzeit kannst du deutsch sprechen |
| 08:57.53 | Arafangion | !dutch |
| 08:57.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian-nl |
| 08:58.06 | Arafangion | That's dutch, right? |
| 08:58.12 | knolze_143352 | do you speak german |
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| 08:58.18 | my007ms | how i can do list all install package "rpm -qa" |
| 08:58.18 | Arafangion | Oh, german... |
| 08:58.20 | Arafangion | !german |
| 08:58.20 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 08:58.27 | knolze_143352 | jap |
| 08:58.36 | knolze_143352 | iam german |
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| 08:58.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell my007ms -about installed |
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| 08:59.07 | knolze_143352 | do you ich komme aus deutschland |
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| 09:01.21 | Arafangion | I gues Knolze didn't really read german either. |
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| 09:02.16 | xcess | Hi, Can anyone tell me what is the best way to fully disable inetd daemon on Debian, not just services? |
| 09:02.18 | Arafangion | !tell me about dh_make |
| 09:02.27 | Arafangion | Ahh! It's dpkg! Not debhelper! :) |
| 09:02.35 | debian__ | !tell Arafangion about self tell |
| 09:02.46 | dondelelcaro | xcess: turn the S link in your default runlevel into a K link. |
| 09:02.49 | Arafangion | debian__: Dude, I already know. Learn to read. |
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| 09:06.31 | Arafangion | How do I get apt-file to work? I've installed it, but it can't find the cp: cannot stat `/cdrom/dists/etch/Contents-i386.gz': No such file or directory |
| 09:06.41 | Arafangion | (Yes, I'm using dvd's) |
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| 09:10.29 | xcess | dondelelcaro, my current runlevel is 2 and there is no link for inetd there. |
| 09:11.00 | xcess | dondelelcaro, I mean in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 09:12.42 | jetscreamer | chmod -x /etc/init.d/whatever |
| 09:12.44 | xcess | dondelelcaro, Sorry, I figured it out. Its from the name of openbsd-inetd. |
| 09:13.03 | xcess | dondelelcaro, my mistake |
| 09:13.21 | xcess | dondelelcaro, and thanks a lot |
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| 09:18.30 | foolkpopi | how bad does it feel to starve or is there any bad feeling at all? do i always have to stay in full stomach? |
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| 09:20.02 | jetscreamer | i hear after a few days or a week it's not so bad |
| 09:20.08 | jetscreamer | never tried |
| 09:20.30 | Swelly | How do i go about changing the mouse button binds for gnome, i want the thumb buttons to give me forward and back in iceweasel ? :) |
| 09:20.49 | jetscreamer | how many channels did he ask that in i wonder |
| 09:21.17 | se7en | how do i find out what diver i need for my wifi |
| 09:21.38 | maelstrom | oh that's the guy that got banned in ##linux =p |
| 09:21.49 | maelstrom | that was like 2 hrs ago, kinda sad to be trolling that long =/ |
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| 09:26.45 | Merphy | Hi every body |
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| 09:27.43 | jetscreamer | maybe he's not trolling :/ |
| 09:28.08 | jetscreamer | he's a starving person who can afford internet |
| 09:28.25 | karolos | Every time i open my laptop i must run dhclient as root. I have moved the dhclient program to init.d file so it runs when computer open but no luck. What can i do? |
| 09:28.38 | Merphy | just set up apt-mirror (with thanks to u people) but it downloads debian almost for all platforms about 26.5 Gb But I want debian for i386 platform any idea to do this |
| 09:29.09 | liable | karolos: run it from interfaces file |
| 09:29.25 | karolos | liable: what does that mean? which is interfaces file? |
| 09:29.37 | liable | karolos: /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces |
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| 09:30.44 | karolos | liable: ok. Thanks! |
| 09:31.51 | liable | yw |
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| 09:38.28 | se7en_ | how do i set up my wlan |
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| 09:43.07 | up_the_irons | i added IPv6 as a module in my kernel (running on Debian 3.1), and tried to install it, but modprobe says: |
| 09:43.10 | up_the_irons | FATAL: Error inserting ipv6 (/lib/modules/2.6.16.29-xen0/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 09:43.22 | up_the_irons | and dmesg reports a few unknown symbols |
| 09:43.29 | up_the_irons | how do i dig further into this? |
| 09:43.33 | up_the_irons | (or should I ask in #linux?) |
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| 09:50.47 | my007ms | how to start sshd server in new installed system and is there something like setup/chkconfig/service this tools to mange service |
| 09:51.13 | petemc | it should be set up to start automatically once you install it |
| 09:51.39 | se7en_ | how do i get my pci Intel wireless 4965 working |
| 09:51.50 | petemc | but theres update-rc.d and other tools to manage startup scripts |
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| 09:52.49 | liable | se7en_: either by getting a .24 kernel or compiling the source from itellinuxwireless.org |
| 09:53.00 | liable | +n |
| 09:53.23 | se7en_ | how do i get the .24 kernel liable |
| 09:54.32 | my007ms | petemc look like openssh-server not install by default i install it now |
| 09:54.54 | axewell | hai! I get some strange input on mouseclicking in putty instead of copy/paste texts, what is fubar? |
| 09:55.05 | axewell | the LANG variable in the session? |
| 09:55.27 | liable | se7en_: its available in sid. you should be able to install the .deb on your box |
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| 09:56.16 | se7en_ | i am on lenny so apt-get install ??? |
| 09:56.26 | kuber | is it just me, or are you unable to just type in a host/ip to use as an apt source with the official netinst disc? |
| 09:56.46 | liable | se7en_: no you need to get it from packages.debian.org |
| 09:57.06 | kuber | I have an entire repository of what I need (use apt-proxy on a server here), but I can't use it with some hosts files hackery |
| 09:57.10 | kuber | which seems.. ridiculous |
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| 09:57.39 | se7en_ | sorry i have never done that liable ... the package name is kernle ...24.deb ? |
| 09:57.46 | petemc | kuber: sources.list should work as normal in the installer |
| 09:58.47 | liable | se7en_: the site has a search option |
| 09:59.04 | liable | its called linux-image-.. |
| 09:59.18 | se7en_ | thanks for your help liable |
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| 09:59.35 | liable | np |
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| 10:00.48 | my007ms | is there any ncurses application to mange services ? |
| 10:01.02 | liable | !services |
| 10:01.02 | dpkg | from memory, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 10:01.13 | liable | sysvconfig iirc |
| 10:01.37 | streuner | ugh, there is a KDE app., terrible :-) |
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| 10:03.13 | streuner | !info sysvconfig |
| 10:03.18 | dpkg | sysvconfig: (A text menu based utility for configuring init script links), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.70 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 10:04.26 | darius12_ | autoreconf -i wants to call aclocal --install but aclocal does not have this option |
| 10:04.42 | darius12_ | Is this a known issue? |
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| 10:05.08 | darius12_ | autoconf/sid uptodate 2.61-5 |
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| 10:05.22 | streuner | darius12_: bts? |
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| 10:05.45 | darius12_ | I didn't see it there |
| 10:06.06 | darius12_ | but maybe I 'm doing something wrong myself, so I wanted to ask before I file a bug |
| 10:06.14 | kuber | hm. so this net install is just hanging on retrieving file 105/105 |
| 10:06.15 | kuber | :/ |
| 10:06.43 | kuber | any suggestions? I'm able to get to a console still |
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| 10:07.36 | streuner | darius12_: just ask in #debian-devel (OFTC) about |
| 10:08.00 | darius12_ | nice, I didn't know about debian-devel, thanks :-) |
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| 10:10.10 | streuner | kuber: did you verify the iso itself? Whats the exact URL (download)? |
| 10:10.41 | kuber | it was right off of debian.org, the offical stable netinst disc. |
| 10:10.44 | kuber | i've used it in the past several times |
| 10:10.59 | kuber | maybe the disc is crapping out. |
| 10:11.00 | streuner | fine, whats the exact error? |
| 10:11.18 | kuber | it simply hangs while retrieving a package. in this case it looks like whois |
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| 10:12.48 | liable | se7en_: while your at it, get the iwlwifi-firmware deb |
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| 10:13.19 | streuner | kuber: maybe a error in i-net, couldnt you just interupt the process (download) and go on? |
| 10:13.31 | streuner | s/a/an/ |
| 10:13.38 | kuber | yeah, just did that, we shall see. |
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| 10:19.10 | kuber | 19% [55 linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 18052352/19.4MB 92%] 2062kB/s 2m34s |
| 10:19.23 | kuber | that's quikc. |
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| 10:22.02 | extor | Do schools teach "regular expressions" as part of the Comp Sci curriculum or is regex one of those things that you only learn in the workplace? |
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| 10:26.40 | sebastian^ | hi @ all |
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| 10:29.16 | debian__ | When the message "this program has been bnlocket by your it administrator" What should I do? |
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| 10:30.49 | liable | ask your it administrator? |
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| 10:37.57 | maelstrom | why is "iceweasel" trying to load a .php web page as though its an external file ? |
| 10:39.08 | liable | from your own web server? |
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| 10:39.26 | maelstrom | no |
| 10:39.28 | et | probably because the web server is sending the wrong Content-Type |
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| 10:40.16 | kunsi | moin |
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| 10:45.41 | reZo | are there any free programs to speak text out loud for linux |
| 10:45.58 | liable | festival |
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| 10:46.02 | grub | reZo, espeak |
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| 10:46.22 | debian__ | Is there any good text based games to my ssh like tetris, I only want exsact names for packages I can apt-ger! |
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| 10:46.45 | reZo | grub: awesome thanks :) |
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| 10:48.01 | grub | debian__, bsdgames? |
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| 10:48.53 | idimmu | debian__: some people like to play nethack |
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| 10:48.59 | debian__ | Is that a package or an group of games?' |
| 10:48.59 | alesan | I have to set/change/recover the root password on the linux installation I have on a disk I will connect on USB on my system |
| 10:49.06 | alesan | how do I do that? |
| 10:49.13 | debian__ | I dislike nethack... |
| 10:49.23 | alesan | should I edit the shadow file? |
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| 10:51.18 | debian__ | How do I run bsdgames? |
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| 10:52.34 | sep | debian__, bsdgames are several games in one. just run the individual one's |
| 10:52.41 | sep | in one packages |
| 10:53.02 | sep | you can run dpkg -L bsdgames to get a list |
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| 10:54.48 | debian__ | didnt get packages, only files and folders... |
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| 10:56.20 | liable | alesan: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 10:57.56 | znh | Hello folks. |
| 10:58.59 | alesan | liable: the linux installation I have to change password for is for a different architecture |
| 10:59.43 | znh | I'd like to extend my laptop's screen to an external TFT monitor, is this possible? I have a trident videocard |
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| 10:59.47 | alesan | liable: I will be mounting the hard disk as a USB device on my current system |
| 10:59.54 | Kevin` | alesan you can either put a valid password hash in the shadow file or nothing, which will allow login without a password locally |
| 11:00.23 | alesan | Kevin`: so I just edit the /etc/shadow file and delete the field for the password |
| 11:00.28 | Kevin` | yes |
| 11:00.41 | alesan | will ssh allow me to enter with a passwordless user? |
| 11:00.48 | Kevin` | usually no. |
| 11:00.54 | alesan | that machine has no console |
| 11:01.02 | Kevin` | so put a valid value in it instead |
| 11:01.07 | alesan | the only way I can login into is ssh |
| 11:01.17 | alesan | how do I create a valid value? |
| 11:01.29 | Kevin` | easiest is to copy it from another user |
| 11:01.31 | alesan | I think I can copy it fom the shadow file on my laptop |
| 11:01.34 | znh | I used to have this configuration on Windows XP |
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| 11:02.27 | alesan | and... how can I chekc if sshd is set to public-key only login... I guess /etc/ssh/sshd_config or similar |
| 11:02.35 | Kevin` | yes.. |
| 11:03.38 | alesan | another thing. how can I check if a hard disk is still good, or it is going to die :) |
| 11:03.50 | alesan | I have fear that hard disk may have some problems |
| 11:04.50 | sep | alesan, read your logs. read dmesg output, use smart tools to check drive's smart status(reliable) |
| 11:05.11 | alesan | sep I heard smart tools are not so reliable. |
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| 11:05.25 | alesan | isn't there an active test, something like |
| 11:05.27 | alesan | mh |
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| 11:05.41 | alesan | how it is called that test for memory, x8memcheck or similar |
| 11:06.29 | sep | alesan, badblock, |
| 11:06.37 | sep | memtest86 |
| 11:06.39 | sep | for ram |
| 11:06.45 | alesan | yes |
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| 11:07.04 | alesan | ok so this "badblock" will test the harddisk? let me check the program |
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| 11:07.42 | sep | man badblocks |
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| 11:08.35 | mib_od9aouga | hello all, somebody german her? cause my english is frosten :( |
| 11:08.54 | amphi | !de |
| 11:08.54 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 11:09.28 | mib_od9aouga | thx user im a dow i know |
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| 11:11.55 | Deffie | hi all, i have a Tyan transport GT24 S3992 which uses a broadcom HT1000 BCM5785 as sata controller, but it seems to not be supported by the installer, what is the linux kernel module which implements such support ? theres any website where i can download a built version of such module to load in the kernel of the etch installer ? |
| 11:12.50 | liable | if you find which kernel supports it, you can get an etch installer from here |
| 11:12.52 | liable | !kmuto |
| 11:12.52 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 11:13.24 | internat85 | anyone know of a duplicate file scanner that does fussy logic type checking on the filenames.. ie if a certian percentage of the filenames are the same etc |
| 11:13.32 | Deffie | liable: thank you! |
| 11:13.45 | liable | Deffie: no problem |
| 11:15.00 | alesan | how complex is it to setup a ntp server for the lan. I guess it's much better to have only one server synchronizing with an external time source and then all the computers inside synch to ths machine |
| 11:15.27 | smallGnome | alesan: much better yes. and if you've ever set up a service before, ntp is simple |
| 11:15.54 | smallGnome | alesan: there are a lot of useful howtos on the subject at google |
| 11:16.14 | alesan | the only thing is that I'd like to insytall it on a device that has not realtime clock on it; it's a Linksys NSLU2 arm-based device |
| 11:16.18 | alesan | with a full debian install on it |
| 11:16.29 | alesan | do you thikn this could be a problem? |
| 11:17.06 | smallGnome | alesan: not at long as it's able to keep accurate time, or at least have a predictable slew |
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| 11:17.29 | smallGnome | alesan: ntp uses the system clock, not the hw one, afaim |
| 11:17.33 | smallGnome | afaik* |
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| 11:18.11 | jmut | hi debs, I have this weird issue, server giving me wrong dns server ips...I fix it..but then again after some period it sets it up again. any way I can force this or something? |
| 11:18.12 | alesan | let's assume it can lose few seconds every *hour*, which is a lot. how often ntp will contact the external time server to sync? |
| 11:18.54 | liable | jmut: i guess its your dhclient resetting them, you can edit your dhclient.conf to not ask for dns ip's |
| 11:18.59 | smallGnome | alesan: ntp wont be able to keep up with a few seconds every hour. it has a limit of 500 ppm, i think |
| 11:19.32 | smallGnome | alesan: you should find a reliable system to use as your ntp server |
| 11:19.35 | jmut | liable: hm..will check. but I want it to ask, just once taken to stop asking over and over agian |
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| 11:20.02 | jmut | liable: + I have /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ...nothing in /etc for now |
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| 11:20.29 | liable | jmut: hmm, i dunno how you could do that, except set the lease renewel on the server high |
| 11:20.49 | jmut | liable: I see ther eis prepend domain-name-servers directive, will try that |
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| 11:37.16 | BrainBug | hello, i've got a question : when i boot debian (etch) it gives me a white screen right before my gnome (gdm) would start up ... , so i found out it was my graphic card and i need to install it first , so my question how can i start debian in terminal mode , so i can do some wget and stuff, without loading the gdm... |
| 11:37.17 | techouse | yay...kde 4.0.1 :D |
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| 11:38.15 | liable | BrainBug: you can hit ctrl+alt+f1 to get to tty1 |
| 11:38.24 | SixT6 | BrainBug: If you hit ctrl+alt+F1 you get a terminal window |
| 11:38.30 | liable | and then do as you wish from there |
| 11:38.32 | BrainBug | liable, nope doesnt goe |
| 11:38.33 | BrainBug | go* |
| 11:38.37 | BrainBug | work** |
| 11:38.41 | SixT6 | And then you follow liable's instructions |
| 11:39.21 | BrainBug | no, doesnt work, cause when i let him boot he automaticly starts gdm and just before that it freezes , so nothing i can do there ... |
| 11:39.36 | liable | BrainBug: if x is hanging your whole box, then you have to start in single user mode |
| 11:39.45 | BrainBug | tried that |
| 11:39.53 | AbacusMonkey | but how to start single user mode when u can't start to change it |
| 11:40.02 | BrainBug | yes u can |
| 11:40.04 | liable | BrainBug: that shouldnt start x |
| 11:40.07 | BrainBug | in grub press e to edit |
| 11:40.12 | AbacusMonkey | ah tru |
| 11:40.14 | BrainBug | liable, i try that again ... |
| 11:40.23 | liable | no, just pick the single entry from menu.lst |
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| 11:41.15 | BrainBug | liable, how can i do that when i cant get in desktop .... |
| 11:41.35 | liable | BrainBug: huh? its in grub when you boot |
| 11:41.48 | goppp | any one gotten dual monitor in debian is it easy |
| 11:42.02 | BrainBug | liable, ah k :p sry |
| 11:42.14 | Maulkin | goppp: yes yes |
| 11:42.26 | BrainBug | liable, totally forgot about that one ;) |
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| 11:42.42 | goppp | Maulkin how would some one do that, or out of the box it would work |
| 11:42.54 | liable | BrainBug: try that and when your happy, just do a 'telinit 2' |
| 11:43.01 | Maulkin | goppp: depends on your graphicscard |
| 11:43.03 | BrainBug | jup |
| 11:43.08 | goppp | Maulkin I have two |
| 11:43.12 | Maulkin | goppp: google knows |
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| 11:43.20 | goppp | one intel intergrated, and the other ati radeom |
| 11:43.23 | goppp | one intel intergrated, and the other ati radeon err |
| 11:43.33 | Maulkin | Google will tell you. |
| 11:43.45 | Maulkin | Hacve you tried searching for "dual monitor xorg"? |
| 11:43.55 | simonrvn | Maulkin, liable: hey guys |
| 11:44.07 | simonrvn | g'morning/evening |
| 11:44.18 | Maulkin | Morning |
| 11:44.24 | Maulkin | Wed Feb 6 11:44:23 GMT 2008 |
| 11:44.47 | simonrvn | 06:44:41 |
| 11:44.54 | BrainBug | 12:44 |
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| 11:47.33 | Administrator | hi |
| 11:48.21 | Administrator | is ubuntu better than debian?? |
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| 11:48.29 | xstasi | hi |
| 11:48.39 | xstasi | as far as you know, does debian-installer have an iSCSI initiator? |
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| 11:48.58 | felipe_ | hi |
| 11:49.07 | felipe_ | whats the maxium renice I can do? |
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| 11:49.24 | cahoot | +/- 19? |
| 11:49.26 | felipe_ | I mean the maxium priority a process can have in debian |
| 11:49.58 | Aciid | -20 |
| 11:50.06 | Aciid | is maxinum n highest u can set |
| 11:50.08 | Aciid | with nice |
| 11:50.18 | Aciid | and it's not even that nice then |
| 11:50.23 | Administrator | iis ubuntu better than debian?? |
| 11:50.25 | Aciid | ur computer will go "broooooooom" |
| 11:50.39 | xstasi | ouch, flame :| |
| 11:50.54 | felipe_ | is renice the same? |
| 11:51.05 | Aciid | Administrator: depends on you'r preferences if you like more GUI and stuff that works right out of the box then ubuntu might be a better choise |
| 11:51.09 | felipe_ | im looking the system with TOP |
| 11:51.16 | felipe_ | what does the load average mean? |
| 11:51.31 | felipe_ | what are the numbers? cpu? disk? |
| 11:51.38 | Aciid | it's a calculated measurement of the systems load |
| 11:51.44 | Aciid | in prosents % |
| 11:51.58 | felipe_ | for example now it is in 1.77 |
| 11:52.13 | Aciid | it shows how much in prosents is you'r CPU currently in use |
| 11:52.27 | felipe_ | its used 1.77 %? |
| 11:52.32 | Aciid | yes |
| 11:52.40 | Aciid | my computer's is Cpu(s): 0.3%us, |
| 11:52.42 | felipe_ | load average: 1.67, 1.63, 1.33 |
| 11:52.49 | Aciid | yep =) |
| 11:52.55 | felipe_ | Cpu(s): 56.4%us, 7.3%sy, 0.0%ni, |
| 11:53.07 | felipe_ | oo, ok =) |
| 11:53.28 | felipe_ | is there a way of accelerate the hard disk? |
| 11:53.35 | Aciid | :o |
| 11:53.43 | Aciid | it's better to let it run how it runs :D |
| 11:53.54 | Aciid | theres no need to make it go any faster than it allready does |
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| 11:54.32 | felipe_ | I want to eat some eggs |
| 11:54.34 | simonrvn | Administrator: is IRCing as Administrator better than IRCing as root????? |
| 11:54.40 | felipe_ | hehehe |
| 11:54.48 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 11:55.15 | Aciid | I don't think that he is IRC'ing as root |
| 11:55.31 | simonrvn | you miss the point |
| 11:55.39 | felipe_ | thanks |
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| 11:55.42 | Aciid | I want all the bacon in the world |
| 11:55.52 | Aciid | and eggs |
| 11:55.52 | Administrator | how to make vlc play from beginning once the currently playing file gets timed out? how to make video side smaller in full screen like real player/ jet audio?? |
| 11:55.55 | xstasi | nice, so i can have the cookies |
| 11:55.55 | alesan | I am ircing as root, I have never understood why many people hate that so much |
| 11:56.13 | Aciid | alesan: it's horse play |
| 11:56.18 | simonrvn | another r00ted box |
| 11:56.26 | alesan | Administrator: press F or double click on it |
| 11:56.31 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg root |
| 11:56.38 | alesan | Aciid: horse play? |
| 11:56.40 | xstasi | alesan, normally i used to use gespuis.c to make people understand why chatting as root is bad |
| 11:57.04 | Aciid | alesan: it's because that if you have root Desktop session open and IRC its a bad combo |
| 11:57.19 | Aciid | if you open link from IRC as root , it may mess up lots of things |
| 11:57.45 | alesan | Aciid: what do you mean, what can be messed up |
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| 11:57.59 | alesan | xstasi: I will look for that file gove me a second |
| 11:58.06 | xstasi | alesan, http://packetstormsecurity.org/0303-exploits/gespuis.c |
| 11:58.11 | xstasi | here you are |
| 11:58.14 | Aciid | Java programs and image exploits |
| 11:58.16 | Aciid | ^^ |
| 11:58.21 | Aciid | I know many |
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| 11:58.30 | Aciid | but this coke is still mine |
| 11:58.31 | xstasi | manymanymany :) |
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| 11:58.35 | Aciid | alltought there are many other cokes |
| 11:58.41 | Aciid | but w/o my coke im useless |
| 11:58.43 | alesan | Aciid: Java programs? I which I could run java on my 64bit system :) eheh |
| 11:58.47 | Administrator | <alesan>, i know how to get full screen? PLZ READ MY EARLIER QUERY CAREFULLY |
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| 11:59.00 | Aciid | alesan: use 32bit distro for fockssake |
| 11:59.02 | xstasi | alesan, i actually can on ubuntu... i'm pretty sure there's a way on debian too |
| 11:59.15 | alesan | Aciid: I have 4GB of ram on my laptop, I want to make use of it |
| 11:59.20 | xstasi | there's ndis-something-plugin-somethingelse |
| 11:59.32 | Aciid | alesan: I have dualcore 64bit processor unit, and 2GB ram on my laptop but still I prefer 32bit distro |
| 11:59.38 | Aciid | so up yours =) |
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| 11:59.42 | Aciid | and I dont even prefer desktop |
| 11:59.48 | Aciid | I use openbox once in a while |
| 11:59.55 | alesan | Administrator: oh I see sorry |
| 11:59.57 | Aciid | my loads are less than 1% :D |
| 12:00.52 | tralala | Aciid, in other words you have wasted your money on this machine |
| 12:00.52 | alesan | 2GB of RAM are quite never a problem on 32but systems |
| 12:00.52 | Aciid | my friends call me the CPU waster and they want to change laptops with me time to time |
| 12:00.52 | Aciid | true |
| 12:00.52 | alesan | but 4GB are hard to be seen totally on 32bit systems |
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| 12:00.52 | Aciid | it's a 17" boat... |
| 12:00.52 | alesan | most of the times you will end up seeing only 3GB or 3.5GB |
| 12:00.52 | Aciid | I cant carry it anyewhere :< |
| 12:01.08 | se7en | my system time can\t get set on boot how can i fix that |
| 12:01.40 | alesan | Aciid: still I do not understand the problems with root; you mentioned image exploits? what is that? |
| 12:01.43 | tralala | alesan, you can run java in 32bit mode (assuming it doesn't work natively) |
| 12:02.45 | alesan | tralala: ok but as I use firefox 64 I won't be able to use it as a plugin |
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| 12:03.02 | alesan | tralala: "standalone" java 64bit works nicely, the plugin is the problem |
| 12:03.12 | tralala | alesan, so you'd use firefox32 if you need it as a plugin |
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| 12:03.32 | tralala | just like flash |
| 12:03.41 | alesan | tralala: how do you install firefox32? |
| 12:03.57 | alesan | for flash the plugin wrapper works nicely, not perfect, but 90% of the times is good |
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| 12:04.35 | krassy | hi all |
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| 12:04.39 | alesan | xstasi: ok that is a bitchx bug... 1) does not mean other programs have that, and2) more important.. |
| 12:04.41 | Blub1337 | hi all |
| 12:04.49 | Blub1337 | i cant start KDE as normal user |
| 12:04.53 | tralala | alesan, /msg dpkg chroot 32bit |
| 12:05.00 | alesan | that bug is in theory usable with any user running the machine right? |
| 12:05.01 | Blub1337 | when typing startx in console, the nvidia driver successfully loads |
| 12:05.04 | slej | which is more than can be said for the wrapper tht comes with opera :( |
| 12:05.08 | narma | hello, I have only web access by firefox (links, wget, etc... doesn't even with ntlmaps). Is there a way to download a package and all its dependencies ? |
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| 12:05.13 | Blub1337 | but then the screen goes black and console reappears |
| 12:05.16 | Blub1337 | at root all works |
| 12:05.20 | alesan | tralala: oh, a chroot, then, what else? :) |
| 12:05.20 | Blub1337 | eh, as |
| 12:05.23 | Aciid | alesan: well whatever =) |
| 12:05.32 | Blub1337 | in .xsession-errors there is open: Permission denied |
| 12:05.37 | Blub1337 | what permissions are broken? |
| 12:05.41 | tralala | alesan, anything wrong with a chroot? |
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| 12:05.53 | alesan | I have a 32bit chroot that I use for some stuff, but it is not very practical |
| 12:06.11 | tralala | alesan, why not? |
| 12:06.11 | krassy | How i can know when my nic is connected at 1 Gbit / s or 100 Mbit /s |
| 12:06.13 | alesan | how do I configure a irc program for example to run a chrooted 32 bit browser etc |
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| 12:06.30 | alesan | it's just too weird |
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| 12:06.51 | Blub1337 | alesan: adjust the symlinks... |
| 12:07.14 | Blub1337 | for example if you want to run program foo in a chroot which is located at /var/chroot |
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| 12:07.26 | Blub1337 | then mv /usr/bin/foo / |
| 12:07.31 | tralala | alesan, I've been using chroot for quite a while and I don't find it weird |
| 12:07.54 | Blub1337 | ln /var/chroot/usr/bin/foo /usr/bin/foo |
| 12:08.04 | Blub1337 | and u re done |
| 12:08.08 | tralala | ugly |
| 12:08.15 | clamiax | I seen that some constant definition is check by subtract zero to its value. Does anyone can explain my what's the reason? |
| 12:08.17 | alesan | Blub1337: what are you saying |
| 12:08.30 | Blub1337 | some shell commands which should work |
| 12:08.32 | alesan | Blub1337: 32bit programs need 32bit libraries found in the chroot |
| 12:08.46 | Blub1337 | urgh... |
| 12:08.52 | Blub1337 | all stuff self-built? |
| 12:08.56 | Blub1337 | or debian packages |
| 12:09.02 | tralala | Blub1337, even if it would work as you say, it's possibly the ugliest way of doing it |
| 12:09.29 | alesan | and, when you chroot, you lose the env variables, most notably the DISPLAY |
| 12:10.15 | tralala | alesan, if you setup your chroot according to the amd64 howto, it will be convinient and you can setup your programmes the way you want. And you don't lose env variables with schroot |
| 12:10.33 | alesan | and, you end up having two "home" directories one for 32bit and another for 64 bit programs |
| 12:10.52 | tralala | no, you don't |
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| 12:11.05 | alesan | so you're not using normal chroot |
| 12:11.17 | tralala | but if you'd like to continue showing your ignorance while argueing - be my guest |
| 12:11.26 | nakee | I did apt-get install -t unstable to a package, and now I want to change the default back to testing |
| 12:11.30 | nakee | how do I do that? |
| 12:11.39 | alesan | <tralala> alesan, I've been using chroot for quite a while |
| 12:11.54 | alesan | do you actually use chroot or another program? |
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| 12:12.11 | alesan | I do not know schroot |
| 12:12.18 | tralala | alesan, chroot-the-concept, not chroot-the-programme |
| 12:12.52 | tralala | and while we're quoting: 14:05 < tralala> alesan, /msg dpkg chroot 32bit |
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| 12:15.01 | enouf | nakee: just reinstall the older version i suppose, use -t testing, dount you need to --purge remove <pkgname> of you unstable version, but honestly forget, do; "/msg dpkg grounding" for info about apt howto, debian reference etc |
| 12:15.24 | se7en | i had to install the .24 kernel to get my wifi working ... if i do an apt-get dist-upgrade now would i end up on sid |
| 12:15.24 | enouf | s/dount/doubt |
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| 12:15.50 | enouf | se7en: if sid/unstable is you sources.list |
| 12:16.08 | RichiH | hmm, other than writing a perl script that counts newlines, what is a quick way to skip ~7000 lines ahead in a 56 GB file and print the next ~50 lines? i can use head & tail as well, but neither support skipping, so the pipe between them would be clogged with crap |
| 12:16.30 | RichiH | the lines being several MB large, sometimes.. |
| 12:16.39 | se7en | well i had to add deb ... sid to get the .24 kernel ... enouf |
| 12:16.46 | tralala | RichiH, there's no way of skipping lines, short of reading the file and counting \ns |
| 12:16.55 | enouf | se7en: deb-src? or deb? |
| 12:17.06 | se7en | deb enouf |
| 12:17.23 | RichiH | tralala: got the name of some ultra-efficient thing handy or do i just write a perl oneliner? |
| 12:17.41 | enouf | well, heh, what else did the new linux-image-xxx.24-x pull in? |
| 12:17.53 | PriitM_ | Hi, I'm rather new in Debian and I got weird problem. I just installed very basic Debian and command lspci is not found |
| 12:17.57 | RichiH | ideally, the program would not do linewise reading and rely on a stream until it hits the conditition i want |
| 12:18.06 | tralala | RichiH, just go with perl. Virtually everything would have the same efficiency |
| 12:18.09 | wols | !tell PriitM_ about installit |
| 12:18.33 | liable | se7en: how did you add the kernel |
| 12:18.51 | se7en | apt-get install image....24 got only kenel .24 but now dist upgrade would like to download 245 mb |
| 12:18.55 | wols | se7en: iirc nvidia doesn't work with .24 yet |
| 12:19.00 | tralala | RichiH, thinking of text files in terms of lines is wrong. They are not indexed, they don't have lines - all they have is a stream of bytes. |
| 12:19.07 | enouf | se7en: you should've backported it to stay within a release, but you might be ok just to switch unstable back to testing - so.. ok, we have "i did this without asking about any possible repurcussions, now i want you to tell me exactly what i did :-P" |
| 12:19.15 | PriitM_ | wols, thanks :) |
| 12:19.22 | liable | se7en: you changed your sources.list to sid? why? i told you to get the deb from pdo |
| 12:19.27 | se7en | wols: i got nvidia and compiz working ... and wifi ... |
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| 12:20.15 | enouf | se7en: since you added sid, did you run apt-get update yet? |
| 12:20.21 | wols | se7en: debs or nvidia.com nvidia? |
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| 12:21.19 | se7en | enouf: not jet |
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| 12:21.36 | se7en | wols same as befor nvidia.com |
| 12:22.05 | tralala | RichiH, sed -n '200{p}' would give you line 200 |
| 12:22.44 | enouf | se7en: well, find out what exactly the new kernel pulled in, and for now, don't run update, nor {dist-}upgrade |
| 12:22.44 | RichiH | tralala: most languages and programs think of text files as lines. normally, that is a good thing |
| 12:22.48 | RichiH | right now, it's not |
| 12:23.02 | se7en | so enouf i just # the deb...sid and all is fine |
| 12:23.19 | RichiH | tralala: true, but i think sed is linewise, as well, so not much of a difference |
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| 12:24.36 | kanzure | I did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, and I am still unable to do apt-get install php5. I get dependency errors, and apt refuses to fetch them. |
| 12:24.38 | tralala | RichiH, they present them as lines, but in reality they parse them on the fly. In any case all programming languages have the ability to read files as streams. But we're not talking one-liners anymore. |
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| 12:24.59 | se7en | thanks enouf liable wols |
| 12:25.01 | enouf | RichiH: would stings ..or something like xxd, or hexdump be more effective? hrm |
| 12:25.24 | enouf | er strings (if you know your search string text) |
| 12:25.28 | idimmu | tralala: debian unstable? |
| 12:25.37 | idimmu | er kanzure even |
| 12:25.56 | kanzure | idimmu: Is lenny unstable? Because I think apt wants me to be on lenny |
| 12:26.04 | tralala | idimmu, no thanks, stable for me, please ;) |
| 12:26.27 | kanzure | but what's so special about php5 on unstable |
| 12:27.05 | tralala | kanzure, the special thing about testing/unstable is that they are not required to actually work |
| 12:27.08 | enouf | RichiH: heh, maybe even "dd ...skip=50G .. " :-0 |
| 12:27.23 | grownler | which is good bootsplash for debian: usplash, splashy, or bootsplash? |
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| 12:27.41 | tralala | RichiH, what's the condition for the seek if not line number? |
| 12:27.42 | enouf | or split, heh |
| 12:27.50 | my007ms | what command i have to use b4 apt-file this one that was update filelist |
| 12:28.12 | tralala | grownler, everything in debian is good for debian |
| 12:28.12 | enouf | grownler: we don't reboot, so doesn't matter :-P |
| 12:28.44 | RichiH | enouf: i don't know where line 7000 is |
| 12:28.46 | enouf | !tell my -about grounding |
| 12:28.57 | RichiH | neither as in total lines nor as in total file size |
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| 12:29.18 | kanzure | tralala / idimmu - I am not actually running on unstable, IIRC |
| 12:29.27 | RichiH | i have an offset from the start that is defined by a more or less random character that is located in arbitrary positions |
| 12:29.29 | my007ms | !tell my007ms -about grounding |
| 12:29.32 | tralala | kanzure, testing isn't much different |
| 12:29.37 | kanzure | or testing |
| 12:29.52 | enouf | RichiH: i see, though i suppose a hexdumper could search for the hex equiv of \n (0x0A i suppose) |
| 12:29.52 | tralala | kanzure, lenny is testing |
| 12:30.03 | kanzure | tralala: so php5 has to run on lenny, then? |
| 12:30.05 | RichiH | tralala: i want 6947 and 50 or 100 ones that follow |
| 12:30.22 | RichiH | i will go for perl's $/, i think |
| 12:30.25 | kanzure | tralala: see, apt wants me to get a new version of libc6, but <some lesser version> is to be installed |
| 12:30.31 | tralala | RichiH, sed sounds fine so far |
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| 12:30.38 | enouf | RichiH: though i guess each \n is not guaranteed to be the actual start of a \n |
| 12:31.19 | tralala | kanzure, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:31.32 | kanzure | tralala: 4.0 ?? wtf |
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| 12:31.40 | kanzure | looks like I might have some more problems to attend with |
| 12:31.59 | enouf | !tell my007ms -about selftell |
| 12:32.02 | enouf | :-) |
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| 12:32.04 | tralala | RichiH, consider this: echo -e 'a\nb\nc\nd\ne' | sed -n '2,/d/{p}' |
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| 12:32.37 | tralala | kanzure, did you add lenny to your sources in attempt to get a newer version of something? |
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| 12:32.46 | my007ms | enouf :) |
| 12:33.06 | my007ms | enouf i try to find how to update apt-file db |
| 12:33.44 | kanzure | tralala: no, I don't think so |
| 12:33.49 | kanzure | I think I've been needing a total reinstall for a while now |
| 12:33.58 | kanzure | so I guess I'll go have to deal with this or something |
| 12:34.04 | tralala | RichiH, also the size of your tasks suggests that a database is needed |
| 12:34.48 | tralala | kanzure, reinstall sounds like an easy way out of the mess |
| 12:35.05 | grownler | But look, bootsplash.org sayd that they are not supporting anymore them project, and they link to http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki. But I listen about another bootsplash, called usplash. And now, I want to know differecens between them... (sorry about my english) |
| 12:35.37 | enouf | my007ms: /msg dpkg apt-file ;-) |
| 12:35.57 | enouf | my007ms: basically "apt-file update" |
| 12:36.08 | tralala | grownler, /msg dpkg slpashy; /msg dpkg usplash |
| 12:36.09 | my007ms | :) thanks |
| 12:36.37 | my007ms | i am new in debian i was use Redhat all the time but now i am in SPARC where nothing but debian ;) |
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| 12:37.27 | grownler | nothing about usplash... and information about splashy looks old |
| 12:38.21 | tralala | grownler, apparently #debian isn't very interested in boot splash software |
| 12:38.51 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please help me with udev? |
| 12:38.58 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.11 | HardDisk_WP | although they are in z25-persistent-cd.rules |
| 12:40.02 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you also have the genertor file? |
| 12:40.07 | enouf | !z25 |
| 12:40.07 | dpkg | from memory, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. If you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 12:41.23 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i have z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules, but in it there are only generator rules for usb & ieee1394 |
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| 12:42.24 | B00lay | hello guys. In a few days I'll make available for public use in a trade fair show, a laptop running etch. I want to be able to allow the visitors to access only to the browser and nothing else. I know lots of small proggies out there that do this under window but since that is irrelevant since I've decided to use a debian machine for this purpose |
| 12:42.31 | B00lay | any hints about this |
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| 12:42.48 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: yeah, same here, i just noticed |
| 12:43.02 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, should there be any other generators? |
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| 12:43.28 | HardDisk_WP | B00lay, clean up the KDE menu so that only firefox is shown |
| 12:43.34 | HardDisk_WP | disable the alt-f2-hotkey |
| 12:43.38 | AVRS | hi |
| 12:43.40 | AVRS | Where has apache gone? |
| 12:43.53 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: here's what i have http://pastebin.ca/raw/893757 |
| 12:43.53 | shamrock | Could someone explain the thinking behind "menu/programming/mysql administrator" not running as root? If you try and change logging for example it refuses to save since it doesn't have permissions. Is this a bug or as designed? |
| 12:43.56 | grownler | tralala: I think it is true, but why? Some distribuitions have good bootsplash softwares... and debian don't |
| 12:44.23 | grownler | it's important for home users |
| 12:44.45 | nakee | isn't there a simple way to change the pining of a package? |
| 12:45.17 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, could you please cat cd-aliases-generator.rules |
| 12:45.18 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 12:45.29 | enouf | sure |
| 12:45.39 | B00lay | HardDisk_WP: thx for the hints . I'll have a look at the Alt+f2. However the browser window needs to be maximazed by default BUT if any problem occurs with the machine I want to be able (maube via password) to exit the browser and do what's neccessart |
| 12:45.42 | B00lay | neccesary* |
| 12:46.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: http://pastebin.ca/raw/893758 |
| 12:46.08 | HardDisk_WP | B00lay, there is ctrl-alt-...to switch to a console |
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| 12:46.16 | HardDisk_WP | eh ctrl-alt-f1,f2 etc |
| 12:46.25 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: that's not helpful |
| 12:46.29 | HardDisk_WP | these are kernel made...but only usable with passwords |
| 12:46.39 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: it's a symlink |
| 12:46.48 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, have same file here |
| 12:46.51 | HardDisk_WP | strange |
| 12:47.00 | enouf | er |
| 12:47.26 | enouf | my bad, it's not a symlink, but still not useful ;-) |
| 12:47.46 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, content of my z25-...-cd.rules is at http://pastebin.ca/893760 |
| 12:47.54 | B00lay | HardDisk_WP : oki dokes thx a lot. I'm new to the whole linux world so common things may look intimidating to me :) I'll try to advance with the ints you've given. If I experience troubles getting it done I might come back for some more advise |
| 12:47.55 | B00lay | thx again |
| 12:48.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: btw, no need to reboot to test, just run udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 12:48.09 | HardDisk_WP | B00lay, hold short... |
| 12:48.20 | HardDisk_WP | B00lay, users will be able to close the broswer btw |
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| 12:48.36 | HardDisk_WP | i see no way in preventing this |
| 12:48.40 | B00lay | nah I'll make dissapear all toolbars |
| 12:48.43 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, thx |
| 12:48.47 | HardDisk_WP | also a way^^ |
| 12:48.56 | B00lay | they should not have to leave the website |
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| 12:49.19 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ then ok |
| 12:49.22 | Decepticon | how can i list on the terminal what updates are available to me (apt-get) ? |
| 12:49.36 | Decepticon | i dont want to update just yet, i watn to check what there is first |
| 12:50.03 | enouf | updates Decepticon ? perhaps you want something like apt-get -s upgrade |
| 12:50.16 | enouf | updating is for your cache |
| 12:50.20 | Decepticon | oh, yes |
| 12:50.24 | Decepticon | thats what i meant. sorry |
| 12:50.38 | enouf | Decepticon: man apt-get, the -s == simulation |
| 12:50.48 | Decepticon | alright, thanks |
| 12:51.03 | hark | Decepticon: aptitude search ~U |
| 12:51.44 | enouf | i suppose for both you should update your cache 1st anyway |
| 12:51.45 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, how do I make udev regenerate the z25 file? |
| 12:51.56 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: hrm |
| 12:52.04 | liable | if you load a module it will write it out |
| 12:52.10 | HardDisk_WP | i think that maybe at the switch from 2.6.23 to .24-rc8 the naming scheme changed |
| 12:52.54 | liable | oh, cd rules |
| 12:53.01 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: er, i know /lib/udev/write_cd_rules ? etc will spit out info - |
| 12:53.34 | enouf | er that was convoluted speech, sry |
| 12:53.40 | HardDisk_WP | root@marco-laptop:/etc/udev# /lib/udev/write_cd_rules |
| 12:53.40 | HardDisk_WP | Missing $DEVPATH. |
| 12:53.43 | HardDisk_WP | ?! |
| 12:53.48 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:54.09 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, what's the secret in running it? |
| 12:54.15 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you're a pioneer ;-) |
| 12:54.18 | enouf | no idea |
| 12:54.38 | enouf | no time to follow up - check the changelogs for the kernel i guess |
| 12:54.42 | enouf | !bts |
| 12:54.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 12:55.03 | enouf | well, .24-rc8 isn't debian, but you get the idea |
| 12:55.07 | enouf | IINM |
| 12:55.07 | HardDisk_WP | yea |
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| 12:55.26 | enouf | bugzilla.kernel.org |
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| 12:56.28 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: you do have /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules as noted in the output of my 1st pastebin to you |
| 12:56.29 | enouf | ? |
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| 12:57.23 | seria-mau | hi |
| 12:57.31 | seria-mau | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 12:57.40 | narma | is there a way to download a package and its dependencies from windows ? (with wget for example) |
| 12:58.01 | seria-mau | ..states that kde 4.0.1 should be in experimental, but afaics this is not really true |
| 12:58.11 | seria-mau | only a few packages are updated |
| 12:58.13 | liable | narma: nope, you have to get its depends yourself, which can be very painfull |
| 12:58.17 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and this /etc/udev/rules.d/z75_cd-aliases-generator.rules is a symlink to /etc/udev/cd-aliases-generator.rules that i 1st mistakenly said was a symlink itself |
| 12:58.27 | seria-mau | is this due to a building process that will take some time? |
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| 12:58.41 | B00lay | weird thing, I'm trying to install KDE over Gnome and Synaptics reports as latest version 5:47 when in fact the official one from kde.org is the 4 |
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| 13:00.11 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, seems so... http://pastebin.ca/893770 |
| 13:00.31 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, and i think it's an IDE device...any way to see if udev even detected it correctly? |
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| 13:00.54 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: does dmesg even see your device? |
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| 13:01.12 | ktwilight[m] | strange, i have apt-get update, but when i do apt-get install -t sid <package> it doesn't grab from sid, why? i've also tried unstable |
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| 13:01.17 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: does the /dev/hdX exist? cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 13:01.28 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, grep cdrom and grep dvd don't return anything for dmesg |
| 13:01.36 | liable | ktwilight[m]: packages are the same? |
| 13:01.38 | HardDisk_WP | cat: /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 13:01.52 | HardDisk_WP | and no /dev/hd* exist |
| 13:01.52 | ktwilight[m] | liable, meaning? |
| 13:01.53 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: egrep 'hd|sd|sr|sc' |
| 13:01.58 | enouf | eww |
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| 13:02.03 | liable | ktwilight[m]: same version? |
| 13:02.14 | ktwilight[m] | liable, no it's not. |
| 13:02.15 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, neither of those...i gonna check my kernel config |
| 13:02.19 | ktwilight[m] | i think i foud the problem :) |
| 13:02.29 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: note, you can prefix each command with LANG=C for english output |
| 13:02.43 | enouf | or just export that in your env for now :-P |
| 13:02.47 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
| 13:02.52 | HardDisk_WP | it's file not found |
| 13:03.05 | enouf | yeah, you b0rked the kernel config O.o |
| 13:04.10 | HardDisk_WP | <M> Include IDE/ATAPI CDROM support |
| 13:04.12 | HardDisk_WP | strange |
| 13:04.49 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: did you load that module ? |
| 13:05.26 | HardDisk_WP | loaded ide-cd manually, but still no devices in /devb |
| 13:05.41 | enouf | cat /proc/ide/drivers ide-disk version 1.18 |
| 13:05.41 | enouf | ide-cdrom version 4.61 |
| 13:05.44 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: the BIOS sees it ? |
| 13:05.49 | HardDisk_WP | yes and windows also |
| 13:05.51 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 13:05.52 | HardDisk_WP | wait... |
| 13:06.01 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: IDE or SATA ? |
| 13:06.01 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out which IDE chipset I have?!# |
| 13:06.04 | HardDisk_WP | IDE |
| 13:06.08 | enouf | lspci |
| 13:06.23 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: recent MoBo or older then 2 years ? |
| 13:06.25 | HardDisk_WP | 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03) |
| 13:06.37 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, half yr old notebook, compal fl90 |
| 13:06.49 | enouf | .24 should have no issues with ICH8/9 |
| 13:07.02 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: is AHCI enabled in BIOS? |
| 13:07.22 | HardDisk_WP | no option to enable/disable - but all stuff works in .22 |
| 13:07.23 | enouf | i bet your cd drive is sata anyway |
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| 13:07.31 | enouf | find out |
| 13:07.33 | enouf | boot it |
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| 13:08.41 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, on a mac os its listed as PATA |
| 13:08.50 | enouf | oh ffs ;-) |
| 13:09.33 | enouf | macosx86 hack? |
| 13:09.46 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, any way to list all pata/sata devices? |
| 13:09.47 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: you can switch most drives from SATA/EHCI to PATA-emu. These emus can cause strange things... |
| 13:09.59 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, of course ;) (www.iatkos.com) |
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| 13:13.18 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, there's no option for that stuff in the bios, compal did really suck when coding it |
| 13:13.33 | HardDisk_WP | no option for anything. |
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| 13:22.48 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:22.49 | dpkg | <Slayer_> i am at a screen with tyler@tyler-mac:~$ <Slayer_> i just rebooted <Slayer_> i need to get linux to actually come up |
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| 13:23.15 | hell-jack | hey |
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| 13:23.36 | hell-jack | are there a program which has capability in showing .bmp files. |
| 13:23.51 | fireba11 | ^^ |
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| 13:24.00 | liable | your web browser should be able to show them |
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| 13:24.16 | hell-jack | no |
| 13:24.23 | hell-jack | i am using iceweasel |
| 13:24.27 | hell-jack | hmm check it out |
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| 13:25.58 | hell-jack | yeah it shows thanx |
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| 13:27.18 | hipodilski | on what basis does debian decide which network card to set as first and which as second ? |
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| 13:27.34 | hipodilski | for some reason debian detects both my network cards as eth0! |
| 13:27.45 | liable | both? |
| 13:28.14 | Kevin` | hipodilski usually debian will assign a static number based on mac address, did you change that? |
| 13:28.49 | Kevin` | (first card ever connected will be eth0, second card ever eth1, etc) |
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| 13:29.34 | liable | are the mac adresses different? |
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| 13:30.05 | Kevin` | better be :) |
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| 13:30.07 | hipodilski | Kevin`: no |
| 13:30.21 | Kevin` | I suppose it's worth checking though, manufacturers make mistakes |
| 13:30.40 | hipodilski | Kevin`: that's fine but intil now my 1st card was rtl where davicom was the second |
| 13:30.48 | hipodilski | I tried to install a new network card |
| 13:30.58 | hipodilski | which didn't worked at all |
| 13:31.01 | liable | Kevin`: you would think, but i read somewhere today (coincidently) about a bloke that got a hundred ethernet cards with the same mac :) |
| 13:31.12 | hipodilski | then I tried to reverse to the old one |
| 13:31.35 | hipodilski | and now both cards are detected as eth0 and I can up only one of them :| |
| 13:31.36 | Kevin` | hipodilski are you using debian <4 btw? (sarge) |
| 13:31.38 | hipodilski | Kevin`: no |
| 13:31.41 | liable | some manufacturers are wankers.. |
| 13:31.46 | hell-jack | hey |
| 13:31.46 | hipodilski | Kevin`: it's etch but it's upgraded from sarge |
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| 13:32.33 | Kevin` | hipodilski how can the both be eth0? ifconfig shows two eth0 entries at the same time? |
| 13:32.58 | Zou1 | after a bad backup recovery , every permission on files changed to root:root , is there any package to set right /var /etc permission on files and directories ? |
| 13:33.07 | hipodilski | Kevin`: no dmesg shows both are detected as eth0 |
| 13:33.07 | hipodilski | :| |
| 13:33.10 | Kevin` | hipodilski anyway check etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules for sanity |
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| 13:33.20 | hipodilski | Kevin`: I already did |
| 13:33.37 | liable | hipodilski: then remove the file, and reload the cards modules |
| 13:34.02 | liable | better, unload modules, remove file, load modules |
| 13:34.03 | Kevin` | hipodilski eth0 shows the name before udev. if the first eth0 has already been renamed the second will be eth0 in dmesg too |
| 13:34.44 | ComradeHaz | hipodilski: I had a similar issue |
| 13:35.35 | hipodilski | Kevin`: ok just a second now I try to reboot |
| 13:35.42 | ComradeHaz | DONT |
| 13:35.46 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 13:35.48 | Kevin` | why not |
| 13:35.51 | Kevin` | rebooting is fun |
| 13:35.55 | ComradeHaz | it might not :D |
| 13:36.04 | ComradeHaz | Mine wouldn't |
| 13:36.15 | ComradeHaz | well |
| 13:36.22 | ComradeHaz | i suppose it has hasn't it |
| 13:36.30 | ComradeHaz | but mine needed net to boot |
| 13:36.33 | ComradeHaz | anyway |
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| 13:36.46 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP was that accidental? 794 messages at once must be fun |
| 13:37.01 | HardDisk_WP | lol yeah^^ |
| 13:37.07 | ComradeHaz | I had to pull out my new card, install something and then put card back in |
| 13:37.13 | HardDisk_WP | don't ever use the tab completion^^ |
| 13:37.14 | ComradeHaz | trouble is |
| 13:37.19 | ComradeHaz | forgotten what it was :D |
| 13:37.36 | HardDisk_WP | Kevin`, but how did you know i accidentally bounced the whole channel and didn't only version you? |
| 13:37.41 | et | Kevin`: provides interesting statistics though |
| 13:37.54 | HardDisk_WP | a lot of irssi users |
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| 13:38.05 | liable | HardDisk_WP: becasue we all saw 22:36 HardDisk_WP [n=Marco@wikipedia/harddisk] requested CTCP VERSION from #debian: |
| 13:38.08 | Kevin` | HardDisk_WP my client shows the destination of the message |
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| 13:38.14 | HardDisk_WP | ah^^ |
| 13:38.33 | ComradeHaz | hmm |
| 13:38.36 | scout | Hey! I'm trying to get my 4965AGN wireless card to work with WEP secured hotspots, and i'm following this guide: http://jkyamog.blogspot.com/2007/12/linux-install-on-hp-6910p-using-ubuntu.html , but when i run "fakeroot debian/rules binary-modules-generic" i get this error: http://pastie.caboo.se/148204 . I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 on a Latitude D830. (got no answers in #ubuntu so decided to try here as well :) ) |
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| 13:38.55 | HardDisk_WP | scout, #ipw2100 |
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| 13:39.02 | ComradeHaz | cheeky sod scout :P |
| 13:39.07 | HardDisk_WP | !ubuntu |
| 13:39.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 13:39.16 | liable | scout: go ask ubuntu about their 4965 packages |
| 13:39.23 | ComradeHaz | :D |
| 13:39.25 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 13:39.32 | HardDisk_WP | scout, install dpkg-dev |
| 13:39.36 | HardDisk_WP | apt-get install dpkg-dev |
| 13:39.40 | HardDisk_WP | then you should be fine |
| 13:39.53 | scout | HardDisk_WP, thnx :) |
| 13:40.10 | scout | ComradeHaz, cheeky sod ? what do you mean ? |
| 13:40.19 | ComradeHaz | only joking |
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| 13:40.30 | ComradeHaz | "(got no answers in #ubuntu so decided to try here as well :) )" |
| 13:40.35 | scout | ahh :) |
| 13:40.41 | scout | heh heh well it helped :D |
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| 13:44.26 | sybariten | i know i've asked this before, but isnt there an #apt channel? it seems empty on freenode... i have a vague memory of being there |
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| 13:46.19 | Gruelius | Im looking at an adaptec AR1430SA controller, ive heard there are many issues because it has a silicon image chip on it |
| 13:46.27 | Gruelius | can anyone walk me through what i need to know? |
| 13:46.48 | liable | !fakeraid |
| 13:46.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
| 13:46.50 | xored | how can i backup local filesytems with dirvish. I mean "client: root@localhost" prompts me for a password |
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| 13:47.02 | liable | bah |
| 13:47.03 | Gruelius | liable: ill be using mdadm |
| 13:47.06 | liable | !raid |
| 13:47.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, or a type of bug spray |
| 13:47.09 | Gruelius | but ive heard of random corruption |
| 13:47.47 | Gruelius | due to silicon imaging being a bit too unique with their sata standards or something, i just wanna make sure my $200 wont be wasted lol |
| 13:47.47 | liable | Gruelius: oh, you realise its a fakeraid chip? if its random corruption, i would follow the kernel list for that driver |
| 13:48.05 | liable | Gruelius: better, dont buy it :) |
| 13:48.08 | Gruelius | Yeah, ill be using etch, where should i look to find a list of issues |
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| 13:48.21 | Gruelius | liable: Which brands are known to work ok with linux? open source drivers e.t.c. |
| 13:48.37 | Gruelius | if im lookin for sub$300 cards most of them are either proprietary and crap, or open and crap :( |
| 13:49.02 | liable | Gruelius: i had a sa1210, worked ok, but i guess you really need to search for such things as you mentioned |
| 13:49.05 | Kevin` | Gruelius use dmraid for those cards, or better yet, use linux software raid, as it's probably superior to most of them |
| 13:49.18 | Gruelius | Ill be using mdadm |
| 13:49.26 | edyfox | Hello, is there any proper place to put this expression "Happy Chinese new year" into the channel topic? |
| 13:49.27 | Gruelius | !dmraid |
| 13:49.27 | dpkg | somebody said fakeraid was term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). |
| 13:49.35 | abchirk | Eh? How I can set the timezone, I mean if UTC etc. |
| 13:49.39 | Kevin` | Gruelius use a normal drive controller then |
| 13:49.50 | liable | !utc |
| 13:49.50 | dpkg | methinks utc is Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 13:50.08 | Gruelius | There is a highpoint controller, but again if i google i find heaps of mailing lists with people getting corruption e.t.c. |
| 13:51.13 | Kevin` | md raid is not hardware raid and isn't compatible with bios raid. just get a normal card that works well |
| 13:51.25 | Gruelius | liable: which chip has the sa1210 got in it? cause the 4 port version may have the same chip |
| 13:51.46 | Gruelius | Kevin`: yeah im just trying to find a good cheap one :p |
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| 13:52.53 | Kevin` | i'd look on newegg for the cheapest sata/ide controller, check the reviews, check linux comptability, then buy OR goto next cheapest |
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| 13:53.07 | jelly | hi, can anyone do a host -t ns omnicient.info ? |
| 13:53.27 | abchirk | !ntpd server |
| 13:53.40 | Gruelius | Kevin`: cheers, il have a look |
| 13:53.52 | edyfox | $ host -t ns omnicient.info |
| 13:53.52 | edyfox | omnicient.info name server ns4.downtownhost.com. |
| 13:53.52 | edyfox | omnicient.info name server ns3.downtownhost.com. |
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| 14:00.20 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 14:01.30 | Gruelius | Should i look for a PCIE sata card if im having 4 drives on it? or is PCI fine |
| 14:01.58 | liable | can you get pcie sata cards? |
| 14:02.06 | Gruelius | seems so |
| 14:02.22 | Gruelius | its a basic fileserer |
| 14:02.36 | Gruelius | at most the disk throughput would be about 12mb/s, that would be within the PCI limits right? |
| 14:02.54 | jelly | well within them, right |
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| 14:04.57 | Gruelius | atm im going to get the promise card because its got open drivers, then again that bit me on the keester before.. *cough* ati *cough* :p |
| 14:05.03 | Gruelius | is there a site that shows module compatability and all that? |
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| 14:05.39 | Supaplex | !hcl |
| 14:05.39 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
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| 14:06.03 | Gruelius | cheeers |
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| 14:10.01 | jelly | Gruelius: note, that .../hcl/ page won't tell you "this card does not work with that motherboard" |
| 14:10.59 | Gruelius | jelly: not after mobo compatability, i just want the card to play nice with etch. So far the two cards ive been looking for havent been listed, does that mean not compat or just not tested |
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| 14:11.46 | liable | Gruelius: sa1210 was fine for me |
| 14:11.56 | liable | its an old card now though |
| 14:12.21 | Gruelius | ATm im looking at the adaptec A1430SA and the Promise 300TX4 |
| 14:12.39 | jelly | Gruelius: it means "there are no drivers in 2.6.18 kernel that drive the card" |
| 14:12.43 | liable | ah, i ment the 1210sa ;) |
| 14:12.44 | centyx | how's that tell command work? |
| 14:12.53 | Gruelius | for both i find some stories of module issues, but i cant decide which one to go with |
| 14:13.15 | jelly | Gruelius: however adaptec cards have historically had good Linux support |
| 14:13.27 | centyx | !tell centyx about blacklist_initramfs |
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| 14:13.33 | jelly | Gruelius: so you might just need a newer kernel to use one |
| 14:13.37 | Gruelius | jelly: i can allways just hope :P So if its not on linuxcompatible.org it wont work? |
| 14:13.45 | centyx | hrm |
| 14:13.52 | Gruelius | or is there a chance that someone forgot to test it |
| 14:13.57 | centyx | !blacklist |
| 14:13.57 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
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| 14:14.10 | ktwilight[m] | how do i display the last changes in dpkg/apt? |
| 14:14.16 | ktwilight[m] | um, i mean new packages installed last. |
| 14:14.22 | centyx | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 14:14.22 | dpkg | i heard blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
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| 14:14.37 | centyx | aha |
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| 14:17.49 | Gruelius | jelly: groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.ports.x86-64/browse_thread/thread/12f2084ceace4c08 |
| 14:18.00 | Gruelius | i find stuff like that for pretty much every single card that is available to me lol |
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| 14:18.53 | debian__ | Gruelius: ok... |
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| 14:20.08 | pumpkin0 | [etch 32/64 Bit]: are there still any packages from the main repos or the multimedia repos missing in the 64Bit edition ? And what happens to the win32-things for mplayer ? |
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| 14:21.24 | my007ms | what is the name of php-cli |
| 14:21.43 | justin | my007ms: name? |
| 14:21.50 | jelly | Gruelius: and there's a post in that thread saying kmuto's netinst image from October 2007 works. |
| 14:22.06 | my007ms | when i try apt-get install php-cli i get Package php-cli has no installation candidate |
| 14:22.40 | my007ms | hmm it's php4-cli |
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| 14:24.09 | jelly | Gruelius: I didn't know there were Adaptec branded fakeraid cards. I wouldn't only use those to access the physical disks, and to softraid in Linux. |
| 14:24.23 | jelly | er, s/wouldn't/would/ |
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| 14:25.58 | Roobarb | jelly: yes, Adaptec to cheap bios-raid cards. They're usually the ones that are less than £150 |
| 14:26.09 | liable | yep |
| 14:26.31 | liable | they do have real raid cards too though |
| 14:26.32 | Gruelius | yeah :( i just need a basic controller that will allow smartd and mdadm to work. NCQ and that other function would be neat |
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| 14:28.30 | Gruelius | http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html looking thru here atm |
| 14:28.45 | liable | iwconfig wlan0 key:XXXX |
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| 14:28.53 | liable | meh |
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| 14:29.45 | ktwilight[m] | uh, whta's that keyword for dpkg to tell me what packages are needed to build a kernel? |
| 14:29.52 | Gruelius | the reason i am being so anal about the card is i recently had my array get corrupted, due to a crappy pci ata cardf |
| 14:30.06 | cahoot | !kp |
| 14:30.06 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra> |
| 14:30.09 | Gruelius | afaik my backup has the bad data on it aswell, havent bothered to check |
| 14:30.12 | ktwilight[m] | thanks cahoot! :) |
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| 14:33.44 | dacs | good morning all |
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| 14:34.39 | up365 | new solar cycle http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080206.html be sure to also check the link for upcoming eclipses http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/OH/OH2008.html |
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| 14:35.37 | liable | up365: if i didnt know better, i would call you a spammer |
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| 14:36.21 | up365 | sorry wrong # meant for #space again so sorry |
| 14:36.28 | India3 | mukk |
| 14:36.39 | liable | up365: np |
| 14:36.53 | dacs | i know this is not a windows channel but i really need help, I restart my windows xp pro sp2 and it ask me for a password, i have tried every possible but no luck |
| 14:36.55 | India3 | Do you want visit to India? > http://forceindiaf1.freeblog.hu/ |
| 14:37.16 | dacs | i thought maybe someone had same issue |
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| 14:40.11 | Azar | yep, he'd better stick with the schooling, his spelling was terrible |
| 14:40.11 | milligan | dacs, a bios password, or a windows login password ? |
| 14:40.17 | davehimself | after installing apache2, I added a new vhost and everything worked fine. when I add subsequent hosts, accessing them in a web browser redirects me to my original vhost. using a curl from the cmd line gives me the desired page |
| 14:40.21 | davehimself | halp |
| 14:40.41 | davehimself | s/a curl/curl |
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| 14:40.48 | dacs | milligan: windows, it is asking for a password and i don't remember setting one. |
| 14:41.10 | mknights | Hey all i'm pretty new to debain and linux i guess (2 year user) i need to run a command to open a program in console that will not stay on in my console and i cant figure out how to do it. basicly i need a command to sent somthing to the background |
| 14:41.22 | davehimself | mknights: using bash? |
| 14:41.44 | mknights | davehimself: yes |
| 14:41.59 | davehimself | run your cmd, then press ctrl-z to suspend |
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| 14:42.07 | milligan | dacs, well, three options. 1. You set one, and forgot it. 2. You got hacked, and someone set it. 3. Windows magically set one (never heard of that happen before). Suggestions: Try blank password. If that doesn't help, boot a live cd and crack the password. If you don't want to crack, reinstall windows and use the magic key-combo to reset the pass. |
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| 14:42.14 | davehimself | note the number (usually 1) |
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| 14:42.36 | davehimself | then: bg #; disown -r |
| 14:42.37 | mknights | davehimself: i want to make it into a script so i need it not to need me to press anything |
| 14:42.42 | davehimself | replace # with the number |
| 14:42.45 | milligan | mknights, type your command and append a & to it. In example: updatedb & |
| 14:42.49 | davehimself | oh |
| 14:42.51 | davehimself | nohup |
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| 14:43.05 | krizx | hi |
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| 14:43.14 | mknights | milligan: that works thanks |
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| 14:43.27 | mknights | davehimself: thanks anyway dude |
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| 14:43.34 | sim-NIX | greetings |
| 14:43.47 | davehimself | mknights: if you just background the proc and exit your shell, you the proc will die |
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| 14:43.57 | davehimself | use nohup to prevent that |
| 14:44.31 | dacs | milligan: i was doing some search last night and i found that in some cases M$oft sp2 update will add password , i just want to make sure that is the case |
| 14:44.43 | Azar | mknights: section 6.2.4.10 here > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch6.html |
| 14:45.11 | mknights | ah ok thanks |
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| 14:49.29 | faclon | HI, I have a problem installing debian . It goes find all the way until where it ask me what do I want to install I select Desktop Environment and Standard System, I hit enter and the next page freeze out |
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| 14:50.09 | bohsain | when i do apt-get update i get this error 500 Server Error, in sid |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | faclon: don't use tasksel .. you can run it later |
| 14:50.26 | abrotman | bohsain: pick another mirror |
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| 14:51.02 | faclon | ok, then after that, how do I run to install the standard system and all that stuff? |
| 14:51.13 | faclon | aptitude install ????? |
| 14:51.33 | abrotman | faclon: you can use tasksel later if you want .. or you can ask us how to install those items |
| 14:51.33 | bohsain | abrotman, where can i find official mirrors? |
| 14:51.37 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:51.37 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 14:52.05 | Azar | bohsain: you are trying to install sid? |
| 14:52.31 | bohsain | Azar, no, im trying to update sid |
| 14:52.39 | Azar | bohsain: ah I see.. |
| 14:53.16 | Azar | is a case of sidusmitis |
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| 14:53.31 | jelly | !sidsmite bohsain |
| 14:53.39 | jelly | \o/ |
| 14:53.48 | Azar | mannnn |
| 14:53.50 | bohsain | :S |
| 14:54.34 | themill | haven't seen a good libstdc++5 bug for a while now. How dull. |
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| 14:54.44 | Azar | bohsain: it is well known that sid freezes on users who don't have the skill to groom it |
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| 14:55.13 | Azar | I call it sidusmitis |
| 14:55.48 | Gruelius | Hey all, If i get a fakeraid card to use as a controller for more sata disks, how would i test it to make sure there are no IO errors? would i just make a 3 disk raid0 array and constanly fill/empty it? |
| 14:58.00 | liable | Gruelius: dude, just use it, but make sure you have backups. no card/driver/filesystem is perfect |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | themill: can't imagine why ... |
| 14:58.35 | Gruelius | liable: yeah. For my next setup im going to be quite anal about integrity, are there any systems that check it routinely and email when discrepencies are found? |
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| 14:58.54 | Gruelius | atm i just backup the 1tb without checking it, this may have lead me to backup the allready fubar data |
| 14:58.55 | themill | abrotman: indeed.... it's just not as much fun these days |
| 14:59.19 | Gruelius | i suppose i could make a script that unmounts and stops everything, then fscks the volumes |
| 14:59.34 | Gruelius | would i need to run things like badblocks, or would that be to find the culprit after corruption has occured |
| 14:59.55 | bohsain | i think apt-spy will do the job :) |
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| 15:00.19 | tapas | i wonder where this comes from: |
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| 15:00.48 | tapas | i wonder where this comes from: dpkg -i libc6-dev_2.5-11_i386.deb |
| 15:01.13 | tapas | libc6-dev conflicts with binutils (<< 2.17cvs20070426-1) |
| 15:01.19 | mknights | Hello, i looked at the docs i got pointed at basicly i want to run 'VBoxVRDP -startvm Fireserver' in the background in a script that i want to set to start automaticly, anyway could anyway give me the exact command to write in the script to send the command to the background. i couldn't really understand before and none of them worked very well. |
| 15:01.26 | tapas | grepping throught the package source for binutils finds nothing |
| 15:01.33 | tapas | so this dependency check must be generated somehow |
| 15:01.37 | tapas | i wonder how |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | tapas: i think your system is out of date .. or you're mixing |
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| 15:01.48 | tapas | abrotman: i'm mixing :) |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | tapas: libc 2.5 isn't in debian currently |
| 15:01.58 | my007ms | i don't need to use CPAN to install perl modules |
| 15:02.08 | tapas | abrotman: actually i built a custom glibc 2.5 |
| 15:02.13 | my007ms | and need to know what deb that provide perl-Net-DNS |
| 15:02.16 | my007ms | how i can know this |
| 15:02.16 | liable | Gruelius: rolling backups are your best bet. |
| 15:02.18 | Ryushin | I have to boxes using testing, that seem to hang when doing apt-get upgrade |
| 15:02.19 | tapas | abrotman: i don't want to go through the hoop of why i do this once again :) |
| 15:02.29 | abrotman | tapas: and you'd probably scare us :) |
| 15:02.34 | tapas | abrotman: unless you are really really interested ;) |
| 15:02.36 | Ryushin | It actually hangs before if even gives me the option to press Y |
| 15:02.37 | tapas | yeah |
| 15:02.47 | tapas | the effect on the channel always ranges from disgust to bewilderment |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | tapas: check the depends on libc6 libc6-dev and binutils |
| 15:03.09 | tapas | abrotman: i didn't build binutils myself.. i think ;) |
| 15:03.31 | tapas | nope, no binutils were built from my modified glibc 2.5 package.. |
| 15:03.38 | Zenox | apache2-mpm-prefork is segfaulting as soon as i try to restart it (or even doing a simple "apache2 -h". I'm running Lenny on AMD64. Is it a known bug or anyone know anything about it? |
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| 15:03.57 | tapas | i wonder how this dependency came to be |
| 15:04.12 | tapas | the dependencies are usually specified in debian/rules, right? |
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| 15:05.07 | kractor | bit of a silly question, but i'm guessing if cp generates an input/output errror when dumping files off optical media that the file / disc is hosed? |
| 15:05.27 | jelly | tapas: you couldn't have just downloaded binutils from the same snapshot? |
| 15:05.36 | tapas | jelly: i guess i could |
| 15:05.48 | tapas | jelly: but i fear that this will continue recursively |
| 15:05.50 | tapas | jelly: or won't it? |
| 15:06.31 | jelly | tapas: sure it will, but starting from stable and adding just the needed stuff from the particular point in time might minimize the effort |
| 15:06.36 | mknights | bump... Hello, i looked at the docs i got pointed at basicly i want to run 'VBoxVRDP -startvm Fireserver' in the background in a script that i want to set to start automaticly, anyway could anyway give me the exact command to write in the script to send the command to the background. i couldn't really understand before and none of them worked very well. |
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| 15:06.52 | tapas | jelly: i wonder whether this is a real dependency problem |
| 15:07.09 | jelly | tapas: and you only need binutils if you want to build stuff, I guess |
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| 15:07.33 | tapas | jelly: yeah, i successfully installed my custom build libc6 opackagel.. it just complains about libc6-dev |
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| 15:08.35 | tapas | ah i think i found it.. |
| 15:08.54 | jelly | tapas: no. libc6-dev complains about binutils, the other way round |
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| 15:09.13 | tapas | jelly: yes |
| 15:09.23 | tapas | jelly: my sentence was ambiguous |
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| 15:09.45 | jelly | tapas: I'd just go and install them as well |
| 15:09.58 | tapas | how does the version matching work? |
| 15:10.00 | jelly | apt-get -f install |
| 15:10.15 | tapas | why is 2.17cvssomething >= 2.17-3 |
| 15:10.16 | tapas | hmm |
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| 15:10.44 | jelly | tapas: . and - are field delimiters |
| 15:10.47 | tapas | apt-get -f install returns without doing anything |
| 15:11.16 | jelly | tapas: have you stopped that dpkg -i libc6-dev*? |
| 15:11.25 | tapas | jelly: it stops by itself |
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| 15:11.59 | tapas | let's see if i get a ssh connection to the virtual box i use to build and test stuff |
| 15:12.03 | tapas | then i can paste complete errors |
| 15:12.20 | tapas | or i use the paste pipe |
| 15:12.35 | jelly | tapas: if you already have the snapshot in sources.list, you can just upgrade binutils and be done with it |
| 15:12.43 | tapas | ok, i'll tru |
| 15:12.45 | tapas | try |
| 15:12.58 | jelly | tapas: apt-cache policy binutils would show available versions |
| 15:13.36 | tapas | there seems to be nothing available besides 2.17-3 |
| 15:13.38 | tapas | aah |
| 15:13.48 | tapas | i had the libc6 specific sources.lst entry |
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| 15:16.16 | Grab | hello can you please suggest me a simple irc bnc ? |
| 15:16.22 | tapas | hmm, the interesting thing is that dpkg complains about binutils being too recent, not too old |
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| 15:17.32 | sn0 | Grab find out for yourself, search the package manager or front end you use, for "bnc" |
| 15:17.37 | sn0 | or http://packages.debian.org |
| 15:18.00 | erik2 | what is a bnc ? |
| 15:18.15 | sn0 | its an irc bouncer erik2 |
| 15:18.21 | dacs | erik2: britsh Navy connector |
| 15:18.25 | tapas | it seems i can downgrade though |
| 15:18.28 | themill | !bnc |
| 15:18.28 | dpkg | somebody said bnc was a connector for coaxial cable such as that used for some video connections and RG58, cheapernet, connections. A BNC connector has a bayonet-type shell with two small knobs on the female connector which lock into spiral slots in the male connector when it is twisted on. used for old workstation monitors, or an IRC session bouncing proxy. Blue Nipple Cover |
| 15:18.54 | tapas | jelly: thanks. now i managed to install g++ |
| 15:19.01 | sn0 | good old bnc cabling, i do _not_ miss it :) |
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| 15:20.13 | abrotman | sn0: oh come on .. it was so much fun to try to find a cabling issue! |
| 15:20.45 | sn0 | :D |
| 15:21.57 | Optic | abrotman: it is if you have a $50000 Aglient network tester :) |
| 15:22.12 | Optic | which of course i don't |
| 15:22.30 | xuser | hmm, how do you generate a fluxbox menu config in Debian? |
| 15:22.57 | abrotman | update-menus |
| 15:23.23 | xuser | thx |
| 15:23.31 | Optic | hi |
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| 15:24.08 | tapas | jelly: thanks. now i managed to install g++, libboost-thread-dev etc.. |
| 15:24.20 | tapas | jelly: i assume the problem to be fixed for now ;) |
| 15:24.37 | tapas | oops, double posts :) |
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| 15:26.56 | themill | sn0: we still use bnc a lot, but not for networking. |
| 15:27.13 | abrotman | wouldn't that be called coax ? |
| 15:27.26 | themill | abrotman: the connector is bnc; the cable is coax. |
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| 15:27.28 | Anthro | I'm trying to figure out how to master a UDF DVD. I've created a UDF filesystem (I think) with mkudffs, but I'm not sure what to do next. mount -o loop -t udf <file> <mountpoint> fails and dmesg tells me "UDF-fs: No partition found (1)". Any ideas? |
| 15:27.48 | misreckoning | hello people |
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| 15:27.57 | misreckoning | I have one bug to confirm/report |
| 15:28.08 | abrotman | is it really a bug? |
| 15:28.14 | misreckoning | After I have updated my Testing debian today, Eclipse can't work |
| 15:28.22 | Anthro | themill: I've seen BNC used for 10base2 and component video. Are you using it for something else? |
| 15:28.23 | misreckoning | so I guess it is something related with GTK |
| 15:28.23 | lleksah | hey, is there a special package to install to get the other sections of the manpages ? man 2 write doesn't work for example :( |
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| 15:28.46 | misreckoning | can anybody try to reproduce the same error? |
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| 15:29.04 | abrotman | misreckoning: have you checked the BTS? |
| 15:29.11 | misreckoning | abrotman: what is BST? |
| 15:29.14 | misreckoning | *bts |
| 15:29.16 | sn0 | lleksah try 'man man' |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:29.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 15:29.23 | badcfe | lleksah: what does "apt-cache search man dev" give? |
| 15:29.28 | sn0 | in there you can see the section numbers of the manual |
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| 15:29.47 | misreckoning | oh well I should have, but it happened today, so I didn't :) |
| 15:29.48 | themill | lleksah: man man |
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| 15:30.49 | lleksah | badcfe, well it gives me A LOT ^_^ |
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| 15:30.59 | Anthro | lleksah: do you have the manpages-dev package installed? |
| 15:31.09 | lleksah | sn0 & themill , yeah i don't thin i'm wrong the section 2 is for system call isn't it ? |
| 15:31.14 | misreckoning | abrotman: all bugs I can see on BTS are at least 1 year old :( |
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| 15:31.28 | Raven007 | hello |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | misreckoning: you might need to check more than one package |
| 15:31.32 | lleksah | Anthro, ahhh yeah that one :p |
| 15:31.32 | Azar | wow no bugs for one full year! |
| 15:31.41 | misreckoning | aha, right |
| 15:31.44 | sn0 | lleksah are you typing "man 2 write" ? that works here on etch |
| 15:31.54 | Raven007 | do you know the reason why the latest untested kernel (2.6.24-1) has acpi-proc disabled ? |
| 15:31.59 | Anthro | lleksah: That contains the section 2 and 3 man pages for basic Unix/C stuff. |
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| 15:32.13 | abrotman | Raven007: it reads from /sys/ now i believe |
| 15:32.14 | themill | lleksah: install manpages-dev |
| 15:32.25 | lleksah | sn0, yeah it works now i had to install manpages-dev which is not installed by default on lenny |
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| 15:32.32 | lleksah | thx for all guys :) |
| 15:32.43 | themill | Anthro: yes... bnc + coax was originally designed for passing signals down it. 50 Ohm impedance is easy to match from component to component to you minimise reflections, losses, noise etc. All our oscilloscopes and friends are still bnc socketed and new kit that we build normally has bnc sockets at the early prototype stage (although we generally replace these with smaller sockets later) |
| 15:32.57 | Raven007 | abrotman: well, i know. but acpi does not read from sys .. |
| 15:33.02 | sn0 | i see :) cool |
| 15:33.12 | Raven007 | it keeps telling me that it has no battery/ac support |
| 15:33.15 | abrotman | Raven007: right .. that's called a bug |
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| 15:33.28 | abrotman | which i'm sure there have been numerous filed by now |
| 15:33.48 | Raven007 | abrotman: from time to time (1-2 months) i feel the urge to safe-upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 15:33.55 | Raven007 | lately, i got burned :) |
| 15:34.04 | themill | !dbugs 462305 |
| 15:34.07 | dpkg | #462305:I[acpi] acpi queries /proc but not new /sys power interfaces; Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:30:04 UTC |
| 15:34.09 | Raven007 | now this, and before the X + firefox love thinggie |
| 15:34.28 | Raven007 | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:34.33 | misreckoning | is it possible to view a history of installed/updated packages? |
| 15:35.38 | seria-mau | Raven007: because its deprecated and therefor was deliberately disabled by debian kernel maintainers |
| 15:35.55 | ericP | i use bison++ (1.21.9-1 in sid) for some c++ parses, but also need a bison newer than 1.75 to build mysql |
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| 15:36.12 | ericP | the bison in sid is only 1.2.3 (suspicious-looking version number) |
| 15:36.25 | Raven007 | seria-mau: well, should't they talk to acpi maintainers ? |
| 15:36.53 | themill | Raven007: they did. Look at the above-quoted bug from dpkg. |
| 15:36.56 | Anthro | ericP: Check again. It's 1:2.3 |
| 15:37.05 | Anthro | ericP: I suspect that really means 2.3 |
| 15:37.05 | ericP | i was thinking about bringing it up to day with the gnu dist (now at 2.3), but have no idea how much work is involved in turning bison into bison++ |
| 15:37.11 | ericP | Anthro, aaaah, tx |
| 15:37.35 | Raven007 | so, i guess a updated acpi .deb is in works |
| 15:37.52 | Raven007 | thanks , guys |
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| 15:38.12 | themill | dpkg: 2.6.24 acpi is <reply>The debian package for kernel 2.6.24 does not supply the /proc interface for acpi which means that many battery monitoring tools won't work. Either look out for new versions of these tools or recompile your kernel with ACPI_PROCFS_POWER enabled. See http://bugs.debian.org/462305 |
| 15:38.12 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 15:38.47 | ericP | Anthro, any idea what kind of magic goes inot creating bison++ ? bring it up to date would meet all my needs withing dinking with symlinks when i need to build something |
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| 15:39.01 | ericP | note also that bison and bison++ are mutually exclusive |
| 15:39.20 | xai | Is it safe to deselect "standard" on etch install. I want bare-bones , no-X system |
| 15:39.29 | Optic | yes, it is |
| 15:39.38 | abrotman | xai: yes .. but Standard doesn't include X |
| 15:39.38 | Anthro | ericP: What's wrong with the existing bison++ package? |
| 15:39.39 | xai | 'Thanks.. |
| 15:39.49 | xai | abrotman: what does standard include? |
| 15:39.58 | abrotman | xai: are you still in the installer ? |
| 15:40.10 | xai | abrotman: yea, but not at that point yet. |
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| 15:40.34 | xai | abrotman: i had some hardware problems, and had to re-install. I thought I did something wrong by removeing standard. |
| 15:40.46 | abrotman | xai: it includes items with a "Standard" priority |
| 15:40.51 | ericP | Anthro, bison++ Version 1.21.9-1 (which is what bison resolves to when you have bison++ installed) is very old and doesn't compile mysql |
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| 15:42.12 | Anthro | ericP: I recommend working with the bison++ maintainer (Jose Luis Tallon <jltallon@adv-solutions.net>) to figure out what's going on upstream, if anything. Don't just do it for yourself, do it for the community. I haven't done anything with bison++ since it was up to date, so I can't help you. |
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| 15:42.58 | smallGnome | Is there a way to get the console to turn off the monitor instead of just blanking it, like i can set in X with xset dpms? |
| 15:43.25 | ericP | Anthro, thanks for thinking about this. i thought i'd ask around here before offering to help the maintainer. will do that now. |
| 15:43.32 | ``y7 | what ftp server do you guys recommend? |
| 15:43.50 | abrotman | xai: you can leave it out .. but you'll be missing some basic stuff .. but really not a big deal |
| 15:44.09 | abrotman | ``y7: vsftpd or proftpd |
| 15:44.23 | ``y7 | which is easier to learn? |
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| 15:48.45 | ktwilight[m] | would lsmod display modules that are built into the kernel? |
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| 15:49.39 | chops | ktwilight[m]: no |
| 15:49.50 | slidesinger | current debian stable (etch): ps aux | grep httpd should show a pid for httpd if apache is running, yes? |
| 15:50.11 | ktwilight[m] | chops, k thanks. i guess it'd show in /boot/config* then :) |
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| 15:50.57 | chops | slidesinger: In Debian it's called 'apache' |
| 15:51.00 | chops | slidesinger: Not 'httpd' |
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| 15:52.13 | slidesinger | chops: Thanks. |
| 15:52.32 | madclicker | hi, how can i find out which networks are belonging to china? |
| 15:53.18 | chops | madclicker: Enumerate them, or figure out whether a particular IP is in China? |
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| 15:57.25 | madclicker | chops, enumerate? Isn't there a way to find out all subnets belonging to a Country? |
| 15:57.52 | chops | madclicker: There's not one that I know of |
| 15:57.55 | ``y7 | i install proftpd and it told me that it'd be running after installation. i went into the proftpd dir and typed ./proftpd.conf stop and it told me permission denied from root and from the user access. is there a way to get around this? |
| 15:58.09 | chops | madclicker: You might grab one of the packages that resolve IP to geographic location and look through its DB |
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| 15:58.44 | chops | madclicker: But as far as an authoritative record... I'm not aware of one that's publically accessible and machine-readable. |
| 15:58.56 | chops | madclicker: You could run 'whois' in a loop :-) |
| 15:59.32 | biopyte | hi. the last 4 or 5 days i received no updates in lenny. is this correct, or is something wrong with my system? |
| 15:59.43 | chops | biopyte: It happens sometimes |
| 16:00.10 | ktwilight[m] | the last updates on lenny has openoffice in it among others... |
| 16:00.33 | Mundus | Sounds like you're used to windows update |
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| 16:04.12 | Zharf | how do I remove the fonts that the msttcorefonts package installs? |
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| 16:06.02 | AVRS | Zharf: purge the package? (don't know) |
| 16:06.22 | Zharf | I'm not sure if purging it will do it because the package doesn't actually own the files |
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| 16:08.13 | chops | Zharf: The package should remove the downloaded files when it's removed; it if doesn't I'd call it a bug in the package |
| 16:08.26 | Zharf | ok I'll try |
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| 16:09.48 | Zharf | ah, it did so indeed |
| 16:09.49 | Zharf | thanks' |
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| 16:10.34 | AVRS | np |
| 16:10.46 | Zharf | aah, now I don't have to look at those ugly fonts on websites anymore |
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| 16:12.09 | s0u][ight | someone interested in a free shell account |
| 16:12.11 | s0u][ight | ? |
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| 16:12.56 | madclicker | chops, thanks |
| 16:13.05 | chops | madclicker: np |
| 16:13.14 | mike1o | flash works perfectly for amd64! I didn't know that! when was this feature added? |
| 16:13.18 | chops | s0u][ight: Most of us have one already :-) |
| 16:13.40 | s0u][ight | ok good for u |
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| 16:14.57 | abrotman | s0u][ight: this is the wrong channel for that |
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| 16:15.13 | alesan | hi |
| 16:15.17 | alesan | I am trying to uninstall the exim4 package. |
| 16:15.26 | abrotman | you need an MTA of some sort |
| 16:15.45 | alesan | why... |
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| 16:15.58 | abrotman | for mails sent to the admin about issues with the system |
| 16:16.11 | alesan | I am using debian installed on a hard disk, for use in a linksys NSLU2 |
| 16:16.35 | alesan | ok, but if I want to uninstall it? |
| 16:16.42 | pickcoder | you can't |
| 16:16.48 | abrotman | you can a) use a smarthost b) use localmail only c) send all mails to 'nobody' which is basically like no mail at all |
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| 16:16.56 | pickcoder | not without a lot of work |
| 16:16.59 | alesan | apt-get remove exim4 did something but exim was still running and the binaries are still there. |
| 16:17.20 | pickcoder | exim-light will remain |
| 16:17.37 | DustyBin | is it possible to encode a acc file on linux, or does one have to use 'itunes' to do it ? |
| 16:17.38 | alesan | quoting: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/FAQ |
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| 16:17.59 | alesan | Also the default Debian install has a message transfer agent enabled by default (exim4). If this is not needed consider removing it to free up 8Mbytes of RAM. |
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| 16:18.41 | abrotman | alesan: you could just have it not start |
| 16:19.11 | alesan | by removing the symlink in /etc/rc2.d? |
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| 16:19.49 | abrotman | update-rc.d is preferred |
| 16:19.52 | alesan | how can I understand which runlevel am I into? |
| 16:20.00 | abrotman | 2 is the default |
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| 16:20.08 | pickcoder | unless it's in X |
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| 16:20.26 | alesan | no, the NSLU2 has no X :) |
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| 16:20.31 | SeicherlBoB | hi there! I got major problems with my ATI graphics card HD2400: I'm using it in my VDR for output to my tv over xineliboutput. the Xserver crashes after a couple of channelswitches with a segvault. i guess it's the driver that's not working. can someone help me with that issue? |
| 16:20.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: even in debian .. 2 is the default and still has X |
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| 16:21.06 | abrotman | pickcoder: 2-5 are the same in debian by default |
| 16:21.16 | pickcoder | so why have a 5? |
| 16:21.16 | themill | pickcoder: the 5 for X thing is a redhatism that debian never adopted |
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| 16:21.30 | abrotman | it's not just RH iirc |
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| 16:21.32 | alesan | update-rc.d exim remove ??? |
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| 16:21.52 | chops | pickcoder: What would you suggest putting between 4 and 6? :-) |
| 16:21.54 | alesan | X usually was runlevel 4 |
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| 16:22.04 | abrotman | it was 5 on RH |
| 16:22.08 | alesan | runlevel 3 for console only |
| 16:22.08 | pickcoder | chops: Z |
| 16:22.17 | pickcoder | mix it up |
| 16:22.23 | abrotman | themill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevels |
| 16:22.27 | alesan | abrotman: well maybe runlevel 4 for X was a slackware only thing |
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| 16:23.25 | erik2 | can I make a Gnome launcher in bash script |
| 16:23.31 | Lio8 | Hello, How can I save the network configuration for IP and default gateway, so that when I restart I don't have to reset them again. |
| 16:23.36 | themill | abrotman: true... sysv did have it before rhl ;) |
| 16:23.44 | hoxu | Lio8, /etc/network/interfaces, man interfaces |
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| 16:23.55 | erik2 | Lio8: restart or reinstall ? |
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| 16:24.39 | Lio8 | hoxu, there should be a config file to set the ip and dg in, right? |
| 16:25.19 | hoxu | Lio8, don't invent your abbreviations on the spot, yes there is, I just told you about it, man 5 interfaces |
| 16:26.18 | alesan | what is the portmap service for? |
| 16:26.35 | hoxu | alesan, apt-cache show portmap |
| 16:27.48 | abrotman | alesan: mostly nfs and fam .. if you're not using either you can remove it |
| 16:28.04 | alesan | abrotman: indeed |
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| 16:30.32 | paul_limer | hello, i have gotten the 'mad-wifi' source package from the repo and i would like to put my own patched version of the madwifi source into the package. is this just a simple case of replacing the source code archive in the deb and updating the md5 for it in the deb or is there more to it than that? |
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| 16:30.46 | lastpak | hmm..i wonder why i'm online wile my router is turned off is it a connection of my neighbour? |
| 16:31.31 | lastpak | whats my IP? |
| 16:31.35 | erik2 | lastpak: hm, maybe it is not you who is online |
| 16:32.20 | lastpak | so you type what i think? |
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| 16:32.37 | paul_limer | maybe somone knows where i can find information on the anatomy of a deb? |
| 16:32.39 | SeicherlBoB | hi there! I got major problems with my ATI graphics card HD2400: I'm using it in my VDR for output to my tv over xineliboutput. the Xserver crashes after a couple of channelswitches with a segvault (module glesx.so). Does anybody know that issue of crashing X when playing video? |
| 16:33.11 | erik2 | lastpak : 84.27.129.151 |
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| 16:33.27 | erik2 | paul_limer: google ? |
| 16:33.30 | lastpak | thanks |
| 16:33.43 | Grab | im trying to set up irssi as a bnc for mirc: what should i do after /load proxy ? |
| 16:33.48 | lastpak | thanks erik2 |
| 16:34.03 | erik2 | laspak: graag gedaan |
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| 16:34.25 | chairmeleon | hey |
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| 16:34.39 | chairmeleon | does anyone know how I can pass multiple arguments to hwclock in bootup script? |
| 16:35.02 | erik2 | chair: no. |
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| 16:35.58 | jmut | hi. in which source is the rar package? |
| 16:36.22 | lastpak | i'm offline (later erik..) |
| 16:36.27 | erik2 | jmut: dpkg does not tell ? |
| 16:36.28 | jmut | cause I get apt-get install rar E: Package rar has no installation candidate |
| 16:36.34 | hoxu | !tell jmut about non-free |
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| 16:37.08 | hoxu | Lio8, did you get your interfaces set up? |
| 16:37.33 | johnficc1 | Hi is there a special channel to talk about a problem powerpc related ? |
| 16:37.43 | jmut | hoxu: are you telling me there is no free rar package for debian? |
| 16:37.45 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 16:37.46 | dpkg | well, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 16:37.48 | erik2 | johnficci: search |
| 16:38.03 | jmut | erik2: kind of noob in debian.will check. thanks |
| 16:38.15 | pickcoder | chairmeleon: bootup script? you mean init? |
| 16:38.25 | hoxu | jmut, not sure, I think unrar and rar are both in non-free, there could be something else anyway |
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| 16:38.47 | hoxu | jmut, unrar-free |
| 16:38.54 | jmut | hoxu: buggy , tried it |
| 16:39.01 | biz | is there a away to get xinetd's ACLs work with DynDNS services? 'allow_from aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd' works fine, as does 'allow_from domain.tld' as does 'allow_from my-isp-dialin-domain.net', but dyndns does not work. I think the reason for this is the rDNS entry for the connecting dialup host always points on the dialin-isp-hostname and not the Dyndns one. Any ideas? |
| 16:39.08 | hoxu | jmut, well, then you know the answer to your question |
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| 16:40.02 | paul_limer | google?? why didnt i think of that! wait i did, thats why im asking here. |
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| 16:42.14 | wampum | fuck all you sons of bitches |
| 16:42.31 | biz | Well, s/allow_from/only_from/ .. |
| 16:42.51 | wampum | you can suck my huge uncircumcised member |
| 16:43.10 | pickcoder | it's sunday already? |
| 16:43.37 | wampum | why dont you shut the fuck up you donkey humpin bastard |
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| 16:49.58 | valdyn | jmut: try p7zip-full |
| 16:50.17 | jmut | valdyn: found a way thanks. added sources necessary for rar. |
| 16:50.17 | mike1o | what does the c besides the package mean in aptitude? |
| 16:50.21 | chairmeleon | pickcoder: yes init script, sorry |
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| 16:54.36 | jmut | ok, tell me iceweasal is same as ff. someone here said it's just name changed. it is just not rendering same way as firefox ...using 2.0.0.11 in both cases.... |
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| 16:55.27 | et | linux both times? same de? same fonts? |
| 16:55.44 | Grab | i set up irssi on my shell to act like a bnc: now how do i connect to it from mirc? do i have to type: /firewall on ip.of.shell port OR what?? |
| 16:56.17 | g-d | god |
| 16:56.22 | g-d | if you have access to irssi |
| 16:56.25 | kunsi | Grab: irssi isnt a bouncer |
| 16:56.25 | g-d | why would you use mirc? |
| 16:56.41 | hoxu | kunsi, (Grab): it can act as a proxy as well |
| 16:56.49 | kunsi | Grab: you _could_ use irssi-proxy |
| 16:56.52 | Grab | i set up the proxy |
| 16:56.54 | kunsi | hoxu: i know |
| 16:57.01 | Grab | kunsi im using it |
| 16:57.05 | hoxu | Grab, anyways, #irssi |
| 16:57.17 | hoxu | Grab, I also believe that is covered in the documentation :P |
| 16:57.29 | Grab | i typed /load proxy and /set irssiproxyports Undernet=1456 |
| 16:57.38 | Grab | but now how do i connect to the bnc by mirc?? |
| 16:57.49 | hoxu | Grab, then you use <your hostname> port 1456 as mirc server I believe |
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| 16:58.06 | Grab | k |
| 16:58.10 | jmut | et: hm...good stuff about fonts. mm de? |
| 16:58.14 | Grab | hoxu that fails |
| 16:58.22 | hoxu | Grab, then ask #irssi |
| 16:58.26 | Grab | i did |
| 16:58.34 | hoxu | Grab, although it's probably problem with your setup/firewalls/whatever |
| 16:58.36 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 16:58.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:58.38 | g-d | Grab: perhaps it is some other port or perhaps that port is blocked by a firewall? |
| 16:58.50 | hoxu | Grab, what makes you think we can answer your question if the primary support channel cannot? |
| 16:58.51 | Grab | k |
| 16:58.59 | Grab | thanks |
| 16:59.07 | Grab | the firewall hint is good |
| 16:59.09 | Grab | lets see |
| 16:59.13 | et | jmut: desktop environment (kde, gnome, ...) |
| 16:59.33 | Grab | hoxu in irssi chjan they didnt talk about firewall, so yore better adivcers :P |
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| 17:00.22 | jmut | et: KDE. same |
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| 17:01.18 | jmut | et: I guess fonts might be reason or something. all I want to hear...it's my fault...that iceweasal is really same same stuff as ff |
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| 17:02.31 | et | in principle, it's just brands taken out |
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| 17:03.59 | minus198 | how do I change the hostname of a computer? |
| 17:04.07 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 17:04.07 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 17:06.50 | _Usul | Stupid question, what is the console command for running a .run file? |
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| 17:07.20 | valdyn | _Usul: sh |
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| 17:08.08 | _Usul | sh thats right, thank you so much. |
| 17:08.09 | _Usul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:09.57 | _Usul | Alright, so I need to close out of X to install graphics drivers. I know the command is startx to start it, but manually shutting down x? |
| 17:10.32 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 17:10.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia drivers is ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 17:11.01 | _Usul | Ideas? |
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| 17:12.15 | _Usul | valdyn, how do I shut down X |
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| 17:24.47 | Zoup | how i can reset 'permission set' of Debian to default ? is there any script to restore file system permission ? ( right permission on /var/run , etc ) |
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| 17:25.05 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:25.08 | jetscreamer | i did that once |
| 17:25.23 | jetscreamer | chmodded the drive i mean |
| 17:25.33 | jetscreamer | oopsies! |
| 17:25.55 | Zoup | yeah , sucks! :) |
| 17:25.57 | Zoup | any idea ? |
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| 17:26.15 | hoxu | !reinstall |
| 17:26.15 | dpkg | reinstall is probably aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. |
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| 17:26.37 | jetscreamer | most of them are 644 |
| 17:26.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I just said fuck you to ubuntu and thats that. |
| 17:26.53 | Nyle | fuck ubuntu and I'm not ever going to even give a new ubuntu release a shot |
| 17:26.58 | Zoup | dpkg: thanks :) |
| 17:26.59 | dpkg | gern geschehen, Zoup |
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| 17:27.01 | Nyle | its a waste of time, even the 5 minutes it takes to use the live cd |
| 17:27.04 | drwahl | how do c8oi reconfigure my resolutions? dpkg-reconfigure is not prompting for resolution |
| 17:27.06 | Nyle | its a waste of fucking time |
| 17:27.10 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 17:27.15 | Nyle | oye |
| 17:27.27 | Nyle | drwahl: hmm.. what res do you want? |
| 17:27.35 | drwahl | 1920x1200 |
| 17:27.40 | Nyle | drwahl: you can very easily edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and manually specify that |
| 17:27.57 | drwahl | arg, ok. i thought that as going to be the answer |
| 17:28.05 | drwahl | i was hoping that dpkg-reconfigure would do it for me though :) |
| 17:28.06 | Nyle | so long as it is supported by the monitor, and maybe, just maybe, you might have to manually specify the monitor refresh rates for it to work properly |
| 17:28.15 | jetscreamer | Nyle: i just answer sometimes |
| 17:28.17 | Nyle | not refresh, but sync |
| 17:28.45 | drwahl | Nyle: i will give tat a shot |
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| 17:28.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer: mneptok a kubuntu op tried to convince me that I'm using tor network, when I'm asking about ~./kde/apps/ktorent/tor1/blah.mp3 |
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| 17:29.04 | Nyle | hes trying to tell me I'm using TOR? |
| 17:29.12 | Nyle | I said dude, don't bother to help me |
| 17:29.14 | Nyle | and he bans me |
| 17:29.29 | Nyle | so I'm like, I am now fully convinced that almost everyone related to ubuntu is a moron |
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| 17:29.34 | Nyle | utter and completely moron |
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| 17:29.42 | Nyle | just wow |
| 17:29.51 | Nyle | I was speechless at the stupidity of that guy |
| 17:30.02 | Nyle | drwahl: yeh so that should work |
| 17:30.03 | Backdraft | What is the /dev location of the dvd/cdrom? |
| 17:30.03 | Zoup | btw do you guys know a extreme little live cd that supports reiser4 ? |
| 17:30.26 | Nyle | Backdraft: ls -l /dev/dvdrom |
| 17:30.29 | Nyle | or /dev/dvd |
| 17:30.41 | Nyle | something its a symlink i think so it would tell you exactly which device it poitns to |
| 17:30.50 | Nyle | if not, you can always change the symlink to whateve you want |
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| 17:31.28 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 17:31.46 | Nyle | oh I bought some milk |
| 17:31.47 | jetscreamer | /dev/cd* or /dev/dvd* is better now |
| 17:31.49 | Nyle | I haven't had milk in years |
| 17:32.00 | jetscreamer | they have some weirdness going on |
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| 17:32.17 | Nyle | I wonder if i ate today |
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| 17:32.23 | jetscreamer | think i have a /dev/dvdrom5 or so |
| 17:32.26 | RyanRyan52 | I am using the xen-tools package and its not working. I tried this: "xen-create-image --hostname bob --kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-xen-686 --initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-xen-686 --dhcp --dist etch --mirror http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ --debootstrap" and it is giving me the error "Error: No recognised installation type.". What did I forget to do? |
| 17:32.28 | Nyle | lol |
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| 17:32.34 | Nyle | udev doing that |
| 17:32.34 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:32.42 | garotosopa | Can I install a package from sid in lenny through `aptitude install`? |
| 17:32.52 | RyanRyan52 | garotosopa: ya |
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| 17:33.01 | RyanRyan52 | garotosopa: but you have to setup apt pinning |
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| 17:33.10 | jetscreamer | LOL now i dont have any /dev/cd* or /dev/dv* |
| 17:33.15 | garotosopa | RyanRyan52, where can I read more about this? |
| 17:33.19 | RyanRyan52 | garotosopa: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 17:33.22 | jetscreamer | -t sid |
| 17:33.39 | RyanRyan52 | jetscreamer: but you have to setup apt pinning first |
| 17:33.46 | jetscreamer | !tell garotosopa -about simple sid backport |
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| 17:34.28 | jetscreamer | oph duh.... i took my dvd and cd out |
| 17:34.37 | jetscreamer | no wonder i don't have em anymore :/ |
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| 17:35.12 | irc | hello, can anyone give me some url or explanation to the term 'dfsg-free' |
| 17:35.21 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 17:35.22 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 17:35.41 | irc | thanks a lot. |
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| 17:36.23 | garotosopa | RyanRyan52, jetscreamer thanks. |
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| 17:38.35 | Nyle | pinning? |
| 17:38.40 | Nyle | don't pin |
| 17:38.46 | Nyle | don't mix distros |
| 17:38.51 | Nyle | use backports or i'll hurt you |
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| 17:41.44 | jetscreamer | real mean run experimental w/o iptables |
| 17:41.51 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 17:42.47 | chairmeleon | !tell chairmeleon -about simple sid backport |
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| 17:44.11 | RyanRyan52 | chairmeleon: "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" works too |
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| 17:46.56 | Azar | mister Nyle... |
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| 17:49.34 | jetscreamer | so does /lastlog searchterm |
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| 17:50.27 | Grab | how can i change the server to connect to, in sbnc ? |
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| 17:53.19 | kergoth | anyone know of a tool to track package installs/removals over time? a dpkg/apt log, of sorts? |
| 17:53.22 | octal | Hi all, could anyone help me about "glxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: invalid ELF header" ? |
| 17:54.51 | RyanRyan52 | kergoth: /var/log/apt/term.log |
| 17:54.59 | Azar | kergoth: the README file in /usr/share/doc/aptitude might show you |
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| 17:55.18 | RyanRyan52 | kergoth: aptitude log -> /var/log/aptitude |
| 17:55.34 | Backdraft | How would I resize a partiton? |
| 17:56.01 | RyanRyan52 | Backdraft: r u using lvm? |
| 17:56.25 | Backdraft | Dunno |
| 17:56.37 | RyanRyan52 | Backdraft: then u probably r not |
| 17:57.00 | RyanRyan52 | Backdraft: r u making it bigger or smaller? |
| 17:57.04 | Backdraft | Smaller |
| 17:57.25 | Nyle | r u? |
| 17:57.29 | Nyle | russian? |
| 17:57.42 | Nyle | ARE YOU ffs. |
| 17:57.47 | RyanRyan52 | Nyle: who? |
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| 17:57.49 | Nyle | Azar: hi there |
| 17:57.59 | Azar | :) |
| 17:58.08 | kergoth | ah, cool. thanks RyanRyan52, Azar |
| 17:58.13 | Zoup | how can i archive symbolic links 'as' symbolic links with tar ? |
| 17:58.17 | Azar | http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Resize_&_Create_Partitions_in_Debian |
| 17:58.55 | Azar | Nyle: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200802/error'd/phparena-captcha.png |
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| 17:59.01 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:59.51 | Nyle | dude |
| 17:59.57 | Nyle | you made me click the wrong window off |
| 17:59.59 | Nyle | i hate you. |
| 18:00.20 | Azar | damn.. learn to open a new window |
| 18:00.40 | Azar | I usually minimize the ones I need to keep |
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| 18:02.07 | iwkse | hi all, i'm trying to setup a network printer but the logs says everything is done, but the printer do not print. I also see in log such a line cupsdNetIFUpdate with the IP. Anyone has a glue? |
| 18:02.21 | Azar | Nyle: your dream girl can't be found by your printer: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200802/error'd/26092007036.jpg |
| 18:03.02 | Azar | iwkse: you want to glue your printer(s)? |
| 18:03.24 | iwkse | Azar: i mostly would like to smash it..but glue is ok too |
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| 18:04.19 | Nyle | Azar: you need to get laid man |
| 18:04.24 | Nyle | like seriously. |
| 18:04.47 | Nyle | get on craigslist and get you a badass chic for like 200/hr |
| 18:04.48 | Azar | iwkse: just yesterday I fixed my mom's printer in the very simplest way: turned it off, unplug the power cord, plug back and restart printer... maybe this simple task could be the solution |
| 18:05.05 | Azar | Nyle: can't. I am chained to my desk at work |
| 18:05.14 | Nyle | yeh.. later |
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| 18:05.46 | iwkse | Azar: thanks for the cute idea |
| 18:05.52 | Nyle | cute? |
| 18:05.58 | iwkse | Nyle: sure |
| 18:06.09 | Azar | Nyle: what wrong if I am cute? I can't help it |
| 18:06.23 | Nyle | Azar: you? cute? |
| 18:06.28 | iwkse | :)) |
| 18:06.39 | Azar | if someone sees me like this, why not? |
| 18:06.42 | iwkse | yap, Azar, you cute? |
| 18:06.44 | Nyle | hm... you are the ugliest human monkey lookalike on the planet ;) |
| 18:06.49 | Azar | I've been called worse |
| 18:06.57 | Nyle | I've never seen you |
| 18:07.01 | Azar | exactly my point |
| 18:07.02 | Nyle | you've seen me, I look like a moron |
| 18:07.04 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 18:07.24 | Azar | nah.... you look pretty .... normal to me |
| 18:07.34 | Nyle | me, normal? far from it |
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| 18:07.50 | Nyle | my nickname is Psycho at work |
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| 18:08.11 | Nyle | 2 days ago I was awarded that, since I beat the living dookie out of this black guy on superbowl sunday |
| 18:08.29 | Nyle | when will people learn to act right |
| 18:08.34 | Azar | hey..Nyle, Im going to a linux expo this weekend, hope to see Bdale there |
| 18:08.38 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 18:08.44 | Nyle | hey we got a debian drinking party on the 7th |
| 18:08.45 | Nyle | ! |
| 18:08.50 | Nyle | or the 8th, I can't remember |
| 18:08.54 | Nyle | it would be friday i think |
| 18:08.57 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program which records audio from mic in and displays the frequency graphs? |
| 18:08.57 | Azar | nice |
| 18:09.18 | Nyle | Azar: you should find a debian social society or maybe start one in your area |
| 18:09.21 | johnficca | how do I configure the screen position its off to the right be like half a cm? |
| 18:09.26 | Nyle | Azar: where in california are you |
| 18:09.28 | Azar | Nyle: exactly my goal |
| 18:09.30 | Nyle | don't you have local lug? |
| 18:09.39 | Azar | Nyle: near Los Angeles city |
| 18:09.50 | Nyle | dude, LA has 2 dd that I know |
| 18:09.51 | Azar | I just found out yesterday |
| 18:09.53 | Nyle | maybe more |
| 18:10.03 | Nyle | I know there are lots of debianites there |
| 18:10.06 | Azar | cool, gonna find out |
| 18:10.17 | Nyle | hell, I even had 4 debian people in oklahoma of all places |
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| 18:10.49 | Nyle | Azar: we have debian-nyc-soc mailing list here |
| 18:11.02 | Nyle | pretty much know when what is going on, its great |
| 18:11.20 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: audacity |
| 18:11.21 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:11.33 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: yes, ... audacity will do it, live |
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| 18:11.59 | Azar | http://linuxpr.com/releases/10372.html Im going there this weekend, is at LAX |
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| 18:12.14 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: afaik it can show you the input signal's graph, but not with any useful mathametical info |
| 18:12.22 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: what are you looking to do? |
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| 18:12.51 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, just something visual^^ |
| 18:13.00 | HardDisk_WP | it only has to look good |
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| 18:13.03 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: audacity then |
| 18:13.12 | Nyle | !audacity |
| 18:13.12 | dpkg | i guess audacity is a multi-track audio editor. It is designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. To be found at http://audacity.sourceforge.net. |
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| 18:13.49 | Nyle | koopa kin |
| 18:13.50 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, thx |
| 18:13.53 | Nyle | king koopa |
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| 18:13.58 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:14.02 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: sure |
| 18:14.09 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: #music |
| 18:14.17 | Azar | too bad you are not here, Nyle, you coulda find a job at the expo |
| 18:14.23 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP: if you need furthur support that is where we talk about stuff |
| 18:14.29 | Nyle | usually w/e offtopic stuff too |
| 18:14.38 | Nyle | Azar: I'm sick of jobs |
| 18:14.47 | Nyle | I'm sick of working |
| 18:15.12 | Azar | what you don't know is that I am saving money so I can bring you here and live with no worry on my savings |
| 18:15.16 | Nyle | I would like to not work very hard |
| 18:15.21 | Nyle | and I would also like to get paid a lot |
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| 18:15.27 | Nyle | that kind of job would be nice |
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| 18:15.38 | Nyle | hopefully a job where I can still get high, not have much responsibility |
| 18:15.48 | Nyle | maybe take a nap or two during the day |
| 18:15.51 | Slap_stick | hey , i was wondering if i have a /dev/sda3 which is an LVM device, how would i go about trying to mount that? I can see the logical volumes on there but mount requires you to specify a type |
| 18:16.01 | Azar | yeah like the managers and directors at my work: they do nothing all day |
| 18:16.11 | Nyle | I'm not a lazy person |
| 18:16.28 | Nyle | I just am sick of shit I gotta do just to do it in order to meet my long term goals |
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| 18:16.41 | Nyle | its this short term shit thats really starting to wear out my patience |
| 18:16.47 | Nyle | but I gotta stick with man |
| 18:16.57 | Nyle | just stick with...it |
| 18:17.13 | Nyle | Slap_stick: what file system is on the disk? |
| 18:17.20 | Slap_stick | there isn't |
| 18:17.20 | Azar | Nyle: find a way to tell yourself that what you do is funner than other's and you do it for yourself not for "them" |
| 18:17.21 | Slap_stick | it's lvm |
| 18:17.25 | Nyle | Slap_stick: ext2? ext3? fat32? ntfs? |
| 18:17.28 | Azar | that's the key to bear with it |
| 18:17.30 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:17.54 | hoxu | Slap_stick, I'm not sure if you've grasped how LVM works |
| 18:18.20 | Slap_stick | it's not ntfs it's not ext2 or ext3 i understand lvm this is xen |
| 18:18.37 | Slap_stick | if i try and mount it as ext3 or 2 or any others it says that the type isn't correct |
| 18:18.43 | hoxu | Slap_stick, you don't mount LVM partitions that have been created with pvcreate, you create logical volumes in volume groups, make filesystems on those, and mount them |
| 18:18.59 | hoxu | Slap_stick, please read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ |
| 18:19.06 | Nyle | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 18:19.11 | hoxu | Slap_stick, namely the chapter three |
| 18:19.12 | Nyle | this is what I used to learn lvm a while go |
| 18:19.17 | Nyle | this is fairly easy to understand |
| 18:19.19 | Slap_stick | i understand that you create a lvm group and you put the logical volumes inside that and each volume is a formatted partition with a filesystem on |
| 18:19.28 | Nyle | though the tldp is an amazing resource |
| 18:19.41 | RyanRyan52 | Slap_stick, but did you make a filesystem on it? |
| 18:20.15 | Azar | Nyle: at my workplace many won't like to do what I do because is (hard to understand, too much volume of work..etc) while few others won't want a job in accounting if is not the one I do. |
| 18:20.24 | Slap_stick | i haven't done anything, this is xen, it has a device on there /dev/sda3 on the host, fdisk -l shows it as a linux device but it's not ext3 or ext2 and xen says it's an lvm device |
| 18:20.35 | Slap_stick | this device isn't mounted under the fileystem |
| 18:20.45 | Slap_stick | as in the OS itself |
| 18:20.48 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 18:20.51 | Nyle | Slap_stick: slow down |
| 18:20.57 | Nyle | take a deep breath |
| 18:21.09 | Azar | ...and press Enter six times |
| 18:21.15 | Azar | :) |
| 18:21.19 | Nyle | asshole :) |
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| 18:21.22 | Nyle | heh |
| 18:21.30 | Nyle | so anyway |
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| 18:22.20 | Nyle | ok, have you created the logical volume groups? |
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| 18:22.32 | valdyn | wth |
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| 18:22.41 | simonrvn | no, they're already created, why would i wan more? |
| 18:22.45 | simonrvn | want |
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| 18:23.08 | Slap_stick | doesn't matter, i haven't created them, xen has created an lvm device |
| 18:23.17 | valdyn | Slap_stick: in lvm, the actual filesystem is on a logical volume, which is on a volume group, which consists of 1+ pv |
| 18:23.42 | Slap_stick | yes if i lvdisplay i see the logical volumes |
| 18:23.54 | Slap_stick | /dev/VG_ so the groups are there etc |
| 18:24.01 | Slap_stick | and the logical volumes are under that group |
| 18:24.02 | Nyle | simonrvn: ? |
| 18:24.09 | Slap_stick | each logical volume corresponds to a physical extent |
| 18:24.14 | Slap_stick | i understand how it works |
| 18:24.26 | simonrvn | Nyle: i was pretending you were talking to me |
| 18:24.37 | valdyn | Slap_stick: umm |
| 18:24.38 | Nyle | oh |
| 18:24.46 | Nyle | simonrvn: and how is that working out for you? |
| 18:24.49 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 18:24.49 | Nyle | pretending that is :) |
| 18:24.52 | Nyle | hehe |
| 18:24.57 | simonrvn | Nyle: not very well |
| 18:25.00 | Nyle | awe |
| 18:25.06 | hoxu | simonrvn, I'm still pretending that 'v' in your nick is 'u' |
| 18:25.20 | hoxu | *simonrun, darn, typo |
| 18:25.25 | Nyle | hoxu: you must be europeon of some sort |
| 18:25.30 | Nyle | u != v |
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| 18:25.53 | Nyle | like in harry potter |
| 18:26.02 | Nyle | sometimes they say albus dumbledoor |
| 18:26.09 | Nyle | and sometimes they say albvs dumbledoor |
| 18:26.25 | Nyle | I mean, c'mon now |
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| 18:27.14 | hoxu | I'm going to make a book of Nyle's ramblings on #debian and sell it to cover the costs of lost bandwidth/disk space for storing all those '\n's and wasted timestamp/nick prefixes |
| 18:27.28 | Nyle | hoxu: /ignore Nyle |
| 18:27.46 | Nyle | its such an easy fix, really |
| 18:27.53 | hoxu | evil one |
| 18:28.07 | Nyle | what is it like 20c a gb |
| 18:28.16 | themill | simonrvn: do I get one too? |
| 18:28.16 | Nyle | you get 5gb for one dollar |
| 18:28.50 | Nyle | hoxu: and quit pickin on me |
| 18:29.02 | Nyle | you do it a lot, and its not cool |
| 18:29.07 | hoxu | I'm picking on your enter ! |
| 18:29.11 | Azar | Nyle: what's wrong with a little groping |
| 18:29.11 | simonrvn | themill: sure |
| 18:29.11 | Nyle | enter |
| 18:29.23 | Nyle | yes I realize that, I am sorry |
| 18:29.28 | Nyle | see? |
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| 18:29.43 | Nyle | can't stop.... |
| 18:30.02 | themill | !win themill |
| 18:30.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:30.15 | themill | Woo hoo. Thanks, simonrvn |
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| 18:31.05 | simonrvn | themill: yes, like 3 |
| 18:31.13 | hon` | how can I enqueue a message to be sent later at a specified time? (I already have exim4 installed, by default) |
| 18:32.01 | hoxu | hon`, man at |
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| 18:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, now gimme the address of the shop where I can get a 5GB HD for a buck |
| 18:32.50 | hon` | boxu: I know at(1). I don't know the rest |
| 18:33.01 | Azar | wasn't nmap not recommended initially? as I remember from old times.. |
| 18:33.18 | hoxu | Nyle, anyway, apologies if you feel that I'm picking on you, but I don't think I'm alone about the enter thing, it really does make it easier to skim through the backlog if everyone isn't using enter for punctuation |
| 18:33.32 | simonrvn | hon`: can you recite it off by heart? no? then you don't know at(1) ;p |
| 18:34.02 | hoxu | bon`: well, man mail then |
| 18:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | mailman? |
| 18:34.15 | simonrvn | hoxu: hehe |
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| 18:34.28 | hoxu | simonrvn, beh ! |
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| 18:35.06 | simonrvn | hoxu: heh ! |
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| 18:35.57 | phalmy | Hiya, what's the current kernel version for lenny (testing)? |
| 18:36.47 | hoxu | phalmy, http://packages.debian.org/linux-image |
| 18:36.56 | hon` | hoxu, simonrvn: I couldn't find a --message-body flag for mail. |
| 18:37.08 | simonrvn | hon`: onhoz |
| 18:37.25 | phalmy | I'm trying to do a dual booting system but there was a bit of a cock-up with the boot loader install. I'm trying to modify the grub.conf that I installed with my current FC8. |
| 18:37.26 | hoxu | hon`, it reads from stdin, just pipe |
| 18:37.32 | phalmy | hoxu: thanks |
| 18:37.55 | hoxu | hon`, echo body |mail -s subject `whoami` |
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| 18:38.27 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ping |
| 18:38.34 | hon` | hoxu: echo "message body" | at <press RET> mail user@domain -s "subj" is what you mean? |
| 18:38.59 | Azar | Nyle: you still around? |
| 18:39.08 | HardDisk_WP | how do I list all PATA, SATA and ISA devices? |
| 18:39.25 | HardDisk_WP | (i know that ISA has nearly nothing to do with the former) |
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| 18:40.39 | hon` | hoxu: sorry, but I still cannot understand how that may work. |
| 18:40.40 | hoxu | hon`, I don't think that even remotely works, "at and batch read commands from standard input" |
| 18:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP: well, lspci .... up to a point |
| 18:41.08 | hoxu | hon`, I think you just run the at command with correct time, and then type the actual commands you want to run later |
| 18:42.04 | hoxu | hon`, try "at midnight": ''echo "foo" |mail -s subj hon'', then press ctrl-d |
| 18:42.16 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, but what about PATA/SATA devices? |
| 18:42.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP: you'll also see them when they're first recognized at bootup when you scan through your dmesg output |
| 18:42.34 | HardDisk_WP | i am interested WHAT kernel module is missing that my DVD drive isnt being recognized |
| 18:42.35 | hon` | hoxu: I see. thanks. |
| 18:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think generally dmesg output it the best bet |
| 18:42.46 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, do you have time to debug udev with me? |
| 18:43.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm on my way to lunch |
| 18:43.07 | HardDisk_WP | ah k |
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| 18:44.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP: hm, if it's not recognized, that's a different matter... dmesg might not show that |
| 18:44.33 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, problem is, that it's a laptop and I dunno if it's SATA or PATA |
| 18:44.41 | HardDisk_WP | it's some really cheap shit |
| 18:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, there's also "lshal" never seen that before |
| 18:44.59 | HardDisk_WP | booting from it works (so its no HW issue) |
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| 18:45.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might be that it's not supported at all... I think there was a guy in here with a dvd that was not supported by linux yet a couple of days ago |
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| 18:46.33 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, debian .22 supported it |
| 18:46.38 | HardDisk_WP | selfmade .24 not^^ |
| 18:46.48 | HardDisk_WP | it's either udev or missing kernelmodule |
| 18:47.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 18:47.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | try to load all related modules and see if one of them finds it |
| 18:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | and look through dmesg, if something was found 1st |
| 18:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | in that case the module would already be loaded |
| 18:48.17 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't even know which driver belongs now exactly to my chipset |
| 18:48.35 | HardDisk_WP | the Intel PIIX stuff isn't it although its a ICH8 chipset |
| 18:48.42 | krizx | hi |
| 18:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for hda and sda in "dmesg | less" |
| 18:48.57 | HardDisk_WP | sda is my primary disc |
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| 18:49.02 | HardDisk_WP | hard+ |
| 18:49.07 | Nyle | hard+? |
| 18:49.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, lunch.. they close a lot of the things at 1pm :( |
| 18:49.17 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, bon appetit |
| 18:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx :) |
| 18:49.37 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, (hard+disk=harddisk)==s/disk/harddisk |
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| 18:50.27 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ich8 should be ahci |
| 18:50.46 | Nyle | it is |
| 18:50.49 | Nyle | unfortunately |
| 18:51.09 | Nyle | I should've done my reasearch on the ich8 chipset before I bought it |
| 18:51.20 | valdyn | ahci is great. |
| 18:51.27 | valdyn | best sata driver as far as i can tell |
| 18:51.29 | Nyle | garbage really, ahci is indeed good, which I am using |
| 18:51.41 | Nyle | jmicrcon anone |
| 18:51.57 | HardDisk_WP | wait...jmicron...i think my laptop uses that shit |
| 18:51.58 | g-d | yes but the more importantely, valdyn, parents should keep their children away from rap music |
| 18:52.00 | valdyn | Nyle: thats not ahci tho |
| 18:52.02 | HardDisk_WP | but it should be enabled |
| 18:52.03 | Nyle | i think thats what it said, jmicron ahci bios controller |
| 18:52.06 | Nyle | that is after post |
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| 18:52.14 | Nyle | so not system bios but wtf is ahci bios |
| 18:52.15 | valdyn | pata_jmicron 9216 1 |
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| 18:52.25 | Nyle | no no oops |
| 18:52.26 | Nyle | gigabyte |
| 18:52.37 | HardDisk_WP | <<notebook |
| 18:52.52 | valdyn | Nyle: disk controllers always have a bios part |
| 18:53.00 | HardDisk_WP | WTHELL? |
| 18:53.00 | valdyn | Nyle: at least if you can boot of it |
| 18:53.01 | Azar | g-d: what wrong with rap? I like Nelly for my kids |
| 18:53.04 | Nyle | I don't wanna reboot, I'm fairly sure it said jmicron something or gigabyte something |
| 18:53.11 | Nyle | you don't have kids |
| 18:53.12 | HardDisk_WP | in dmesg the fucking DVD drive appears |
| 18:53.13 | Nyle | stfu |
| 18:53.17 | Nyle | :/ |
| 18:53.20 | Azar | Nyle: the ones I will have |
| 18:53.26 | Nyle | lol |
| 18:53.31 | g-d | it's unchristian |
| 18:53.31 | valdyn | Nyle: intel chipsets typicall have ahci for sata, jmicron for pata |
| 18:53.38 | HardDisk_WP | but WHY the fucking hell doesnt udev make DEVICE FILES then?!?! |
| 18:53.44 | Azar | says who? |
| 18:53.48 | g-d | g-d |
| 18:53.56 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: because you dont have the ahci driver? |
| 18:53.57 | g-d | the g-d of the israelites |
| 18:54.01 | g-d | namely me. |
| 18:54.02 | Nyle | its like, "please don't kill me, I have little kids" you don't have little kids, I'll kill you. "no don't, I might have them someday" |
| 18:54.09 | Nyle | valdyn: I see |
| 18:54.13 | g-d | exactly |
| 18:54.16 | Azar | that right |
| 18:54.18 | Nyle | valdyn: that is correct |
| 18:54.31 | g-d | so how about that jennifer lopez? |
| 18:54.43 | g-d | does she use debian? |
| 18:54.49 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, what module should it be? |
| 18:55.00 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: ahci |
| 18:55.06 | Nyle | !ahci |
| 18:55.11 | Nyle | dpkg: hi |
| 18:55.11 | dpkg | hi, nyle |
| 18:55.19 | g-d | dpkg: yo son |
| 18:55.30 | Nyle | ignore g-d |
| 18:55.34 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/894149 |
| 18:55.46 | HardDisk_WP | is this SATA? |
| 18:56.22 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: thats impossible to tell |
| 18:56.43 | Azar | doesn't lspci list the controllers type? |
| 18:57.12 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: but since its a notebook its defenitely not real scsi, its either sata interface with pata<->sata converter or plain sata |
| 18:57.32 | smacnay | does anyone know if skype uses a certain font or can the fonts be changed in skype? |
| 18:57.35 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, http://pastebin.ca/894153 is full dmesg |
| 18:57.43 | HardDisk_WP | smacnay, somewhere in settings AFAIR |
| 18:57.59 | smacnay | HardDisk_WP, I looked but could find nothing |
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| 18:58.13 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.ca/894154 is lspci |
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| 18:58.41 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i see sda |
| 18:58.47 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: whats your problem again? |
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| 18:59.01 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, this is the harddisk. problem is that no /dev/cdrom, /dev/dvd etc appear |
| 18:59.12 | HardDisk_WP | also no scd etc.. |
| 18:59.28 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: so you didnt compile in the cdrom support |
| 18:59.34 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: use a debian kernel. |
| 18:59.55 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, nope, I need recent .24 because of alsa |
| 19:00.09 | chops | HardDisk_WP: .24 is in sid |
| 19:00.10 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, and cdrom support is compiled in, an external USB device works |
| 19:00.22 | HardDisk_WP | chops, but not with alsa not compiled in |
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| 19:00.45 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: i thought what you pasted earlier was your built in cdrom drive |
| 19:00.50 | HardDisk_WP | it is |
| 19:01.06 | chops | HardDisk_WP: Why do you need alsa to be disabled? |
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| 19:01.30 | HardDisk_WP | because I need my own alsa, only in the really most recent alsa my soundcard works properly |
| 19:01.46 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: does /dev/sr0 exist? |
| 19:01.54 | chops | HardDisk_WP: More recent than .24? |
| 19:02.02 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn,no |
| 19:02.16 | HardDisk_WP | chops, yep, I have tried its builtin alsa, didnt work |
| 19:02.23 | HardDisk_WP | (dunno why btw) |
| 19:02.41 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: what about /dev/hda ? |
| 19:02.44 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.ca/894158 is the content of the corresponding udev rules |
| 19:02.47 | HardDisk_WP | also not |
| 19:03.01 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: any hd* ? |
| 19:03.16 | HardDisk_WP | noner |
| 19:03.22 | HardDisk_WP | .r |
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| 19:04.17 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, can I force udev to rescan everything and so rebuild all rules? |
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| 19:04.27 | Elive_user39 | hi |
| 19:04.38 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: /etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev start ( not restart ) |
| 19:04.44 | Elive_user39 | anyone know of a program that can controll the fans? something like speedfan in windows |
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| 19:05.08 | valdyn | Elive_user39: you really want to control the cpu clock speed, not fuck up fan speeds diretly |
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| 19:05.29 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, doesn't appear |
| 19:05.44 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: use sids 2.6.24 |
| 19:06.10 | chops | valdyn: He says that's too old |
| 19:06.11 | HardDisk_WP | not possible, see above^^ |
| 19:06.24 | Elive_user39 | valdyn, fuck them up? i want to set them to 600 rpm which works very well in windows |
| 19:06.25 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, what about that /dev/sg1 appearing in dmesg? |
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| 19:06.29 | Elive_user39 | my computer is not worm |
| 19:06.32 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: so youre using a 2.6.24-gitX kernel? |
| 19:06.36 | HardDisk_WP | no |
| 19:06.38 | HardDisk_WP | stable |
| 19:06.46 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: theres only one 2.6.25 |
| 19:06.47 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: theres only one 2.6.24 |
| 19:06.59 | HardDisk_WP | i know |
| 19:07.10 | HardDisk_WP | but i dont use any of those -rc or -git things |
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| 19:07.30 | valdyn | how can linux-image-2.6.24 be to old? |
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| 19:07.59 | azaghal | Whoever came up with that "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" thing in title, thumbs up for it ;) |
| 19:08.14 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, it's about the alsa in the kernel |
| 19:08.19 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: so? |
| 19:08.25 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: your talking nonsense |
| 19:08.32 | HardDisk_WP | why? |
| 19:08.34 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: alsa doesnt change in a 2.6.24 that doesnt change |
| 19:08.42 | HardDisk_WP | strange... |
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| 19:09.04 | HardDisk_WP | at least I have tried .24s alsa and got no sound, only with selfbuild alsa |
| 19:09.15 | chops | HardDisk_WP: He's saying that the 2.6.24 in sid is precisely the same version as the other 2.6.24. There's no "newer" version. |
| 19:09.17 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: so use selfbuild alsa and a debian kernel |
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| 19:09.37 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, is this possible? |
| 19:09.37 | chops | HardDisk_WP: If one is working for you and the other isn't, you may need to load some alsa modules in the Debian kernel |
| 19:09.52 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: why ask ? |
| 19:10.01 | liberion | hey guys im trying to use the new e17 cvs code to build debian packages i do dpk-buildpkg -us -uc -rfakeroot and it errors out what the problem |
| 19:10.01 | chops | HardDisk_WP: If that really doesn't work, it may be worth filing a bug against the kernel image |
| 19:10.08 | chops | !wtem |
| 19:10.08 | dpkg | What's the error message? |
| 19:10.22 | HardDisk_WP | chops, no error message, just no sound^^ |
| 19:10.30 | HardDisk_WP | brb, food is waiting |
| 19:10.34 | chops | HardDisk_WP: That was meant for liberion |
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| 19:11.12 | liberion | chops: hold on ill check |
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| 19:11.39 | krizx | is there a official document to install beryl on debian? |
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| 19:13.27 | Azar | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-beryl-in-debian-etch.html |
| 19:13.30 | liberion | chops: heres the error http://phpfi.com/294821 |
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| 19:14.39 | chops | liberion: That's very odd. You shouldn't build as root from your home directory and use fakeroot, anyway. Try blowing away what you've got, regetting the source (as liberion), and building it (against as liberion), not suing to root. |
| 19:14.45 | abchirk | Hi had compiled something a long while ago and didn't delete the forlder so all sources are still there. How can I find out the ./configure command? with all the settings? |
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| 19:15.17 | liberion | chops: ok ill try that |
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| 19:15.34 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a nfs server X and nfs client Y, Y is actively reading and writing data to X, if i restart the nfs-service on X , will Y notice a failure if any only after the nfs transmission timeout ? will it affect the reads and writes ? |
| 19:15.38 | abchirk | I mean ./configure maybe saves the flags? |
| 19:15.45 | liberion | chops: thanx been using slackware for awhile now getting into debian lol |
| 19:15.50 | chops | liberion: np |
| 19:16.09 | simonrvn | abchirk: ./config.cache or config.guess |
| 19:17.59 | biopyte | chops: ok (delayed :) |
| 19:18.01 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, the beryl repo is borked at the moment |
| 19:18.02 | abchirk | simonrvn but how I get the ./configure syntax again from that? :P |
| 19:18.27 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, trying to fetch contents-i386.gz results in 403 forbidden here |
| 19:18.33 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: thanks for the info, that was for krizx's question :) |
| 19:18.46 | abchirk | I could only rerun it? |
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| 19:19.42 | der0b | Hey all, is there something I can do in screen to get ncurses programs to display properly? Currently, they show borders which would normally be solid lines as ----- (sorry this is hard to explain) |
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| 19:20.05 | der0b | (running etch) |
| 19:20.16 | chops | der0b: What's your locale? |
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| 19:20.36 | der0b | en/us |
| 19:20.43 | lymeca | Is it possible to make a .deb that downloads files from some versioning system like svn? |
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| 19:20.54 | chops | der0b: What encoding? |
| 19:21.02 | chops | der0b: Try echo $LANG |
| 19:21.05 | valdyn | lymeca: a deb can do anything |
| 19:21.07 | expose | how to rebuild the dependency tree? As in, how to automatically reset the "Automatically installed" flag for software? |
| 19:21.18 | valdyn | lymeca: rather, anything a program can do. |
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| 19:21.35 | lymeca | valdyn: How would I go about doing this partiular action then? |
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| 19:21.41 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 19:21.48 | der0b | I attempted to force UTF8 when launching screen (-U), and it made no diff and $LANG is en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 19:22.09 | expose | right after installation there are more things marked "deliberately installed" as is true. alot of libs etc. and quite some which actually are dependencies. |
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| 19:22.21 | chops | der0b: Make sure the encoding is set properly on your terminal as well |
| 19:22.23 | expose | valdyn: is this a reply to me? |
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| 19:22.43 | Azar | der0b: shouldn't be just UTF-8? |
| 19:22.47 | valdyn | expose: nope, to lymeca |
| 19:22.58 | expose | ah, okay. |
| 19:23.09 | chops | Azar: $LANG should include the language, dialect, and encoding, not just the encoding |
| 19:23.11 | der0b | chops: I only have the problem in screen, just running the program from the terminal is fine |
| 19:23.17 | chops | der0b: Strange |
| 19:23.26 | Azar | chops: my bad I thought UTF-8 will just do |
| 19:23.40 | chops | Azar: I won't say that it won't, but $LANG should include language as well |
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| 19:24.09 | Azar | chops: it might depend on what he chose on installation |
| 19:24.25 | Azar | err how the query menus were set |
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| 19:25.52 | ajricoveri | i need to solve this prob asap .. i cant get to install mysql-server at all =( .... |
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| 19:25.53 | ajricoveri | http://pastebin.com/m3d613552 |
| 19:27.09 | chops | I know screen does funny things to the shell (maybe runs it without -l or something); for me, I don't get my ~/.bash_profile executed, so I don't get "alias ls='ls -h'" in screen sessions |
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| 19:27.46 | chops | der0b: You could try ". ~/.bash_profile" by hand from your screen session, and if that makes ncurses work like you want it to, you could investigate what's going on in ~/.bash_profile that changes things for you |
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| 19:27.56 | chops | der0b: But that's just a random guess based on my experience |
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| 19:28.59 | DexterF | hi |
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| 19:29.17 | der0b | thanks chops, things work as I expect them too on my buntu box, I'll see what diffs there are in my bash_profile, thanks for giving me something to look into |
| 19:29.47 | chops | der0b: np |
| 19:29.48 | DexterF | konsole in kde, need to figure its pid from within without interacting. idea how to do that? |
| 19:30.08 | chops | der0b: You could also, as a random guess, try diffing the output of 'printenv' from your screen session with that from a standard bash session |
| 19:30.41 | liberion | chops: heres a problem after i tried that http://phpfi.com/294823 |
| 19:30.50 | der0b | thanks again chops, will do |
| 19:30.52 | chops | DexterF: ps? |
| 19:31.10 | liberion | chops: this is first time trying this so im missing something i think |
| 19:31.21 | DexterF | chops: my fault - I got three konsole instances and need to figure of the one that has focus |
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| 19:31.29 | ajricoveri | i need to solve this prob asap .. i cant get to install mysql-server at all =( .... |
| 19:31.31 | ajricoveri | http://pastebin.com/m3d613552 |
| 19:31.38 | chops | liberion: Wait -- how are you getting this source? |
| 19:31.49 | chops | liberion: dpkg-buildpackage is only designed to work on Debian packages, not arbitrary source |
| 19:32.03 | chops | liberion: That source doesn't have a debian/ directory, so it can't be built by dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:32.15 | chops | liberion: You want 'apt-get source enlightenment' (or whatever) to get the source |
| 19:32.31 | \amethyst | DexterF: you might be able to parse the value of the $KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION environment variable |
| 19:32.51 | \amethyst | DexterF: if you're running this from inside the Konsole that is |
| 19:33.10 | DexterF | \amethyst: exactly what im trying to do... lemme see... |
| 19:33.14 | liberion | chops: im cvs downloading it from enlightenment.org |
| 19:33.45 | chops | liberion: You can't build source downloaded via CVS using dpkg-buildpackage unless it comes with a debian/ directory, and then only from within the directory that has the debian/ directory |
| 19:33.49 | DexterF | \amethyst: yup, thats it, thanks |
| 19:34.02 | chops | liberion: dpkg-buildpackage isn't capable of magically figuring out how to package up any random source without instructions |
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| 19:34.45 | DexterF | liberion: if you need it quick and dirty, try checkinstall. likely to mess up your package database consistency in the future tho |
| 19:35.20 | liberion | chops: yes rasterman uses debian so the have debian folders but they have a changelog.in not changelog so i just rename it |
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| 19:35.52 | chops | liberion: I don't understand what you're trying to do. |
| 19:36.01 | chops | liberion: Why are you compiling e17 from source? |
| 19:36.32 | DexterF | why am I watching Big Trouble In Little China? |
| 19:36.42 | liberion | build enligtenment debian packages from cvs code the Readmes in cvs source tell how to build deb packages |
| 19:37.04 | chops | liberion: English isn't your first language, is it? :-) |
| 19:37.09 | chops | liberion: Why are you building e17 from source? |
| 19:37.31 | liberion | chops: to have to latest version |
| 19:37.32 | \amethyst | PriceChild: if you and to use the program described in 'man time', run it as command time |
| 19:37.36 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:37.39 | \amethyst | wrong channel, wrong nick |
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| 19:38.11 | liberion | chops: yes english is my language |
| 19:38.15 | chops | liberion: If you want the latest version with Debian support, use the package from sid. If you don't want Debian support, please don't ask for help in #debian. Good luck. |
| 19:38.21 | pickcoder | \amethyst is 0 for 2 |
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| 19:39.24 | chops | liberion: Compiling CVS packages just for the sake of getting software newer than that which is supported even to the extent that sid is is just asking for trouble |
| 19:39.44 | chops | brb |
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| 19:44.43 | dondelelcaro | liberion: though if you really want to run newer packages, your best bet is to start coordinating with the maintainer of those packages and helping out as much as possible so that newer packages are uploaded to sid. |
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| 19:49.36 | shrift | Hello. I'm looking for a bit of help with some network-interface issues in Debian... Is this the right place? |
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| 19:50.58 | rjent | shrift: what is the ? |
| 19:51.41 | dkr | !ask |
| 19:51.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:52.05 | shrift | well I have two nics in my server, one is being used and is working fine, it gets an RFC1918 address. the other I'm trying to assign and connect directly to the internet, which almost works. I can ping it, but I cannot connect via SSH for instance |
| 19:52.23 | shrift | *statically assign an internet IP |
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| 19:52.53 | dkr | shrift: ping it from where? |
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| 19:53.03 | shrift | elsewhere on the internet |
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| 19:53.07 | shrift | completely separate network |
| 19:53.15 | dkr | what is ssh error? |
| 19:53.29 | shrift | just times out... let me get the exact message.... |
| 19:53.35 | dkr | ssh is indeed running, right? :) |
| 19:53.47 | dkr | sshd, that is |
| 19:54.07 | expose | Why does "aptitude install lsb" add lsb-* as to "~i!~M"? |
| 19:54.16 | shrift | yes, it is. I can ssh in through the other nic card fine |
| 19:54.21 | shrift | and it is attaching to 0.0.0.0 |
| 19:54.25 | expose | erm, minus "as" |
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| 19:54.30 | shrift | so it should be listening on both cards |
| 19:54.36 | dkr | shrift: right |
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| 19:55.52 | dkr | shrift: did you make a "gateway" entry for the external interface on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:56.02 | shrift | yes |
| 19:56.07 | dkr | oh, well if ping works, your default route has to be correct |
| 19:56.12 | shrift | it is set to what the IP provider specified |
| 19:56.32 | dkr | oswhat is the ssh error? might also help to use ssh -v |
| 19:56.52 | slidesinger | apache2-mpm-prefork/stable uptodate 2.2.3-4+etch3 is rewrite.load==mod_rewrite? |
| 19:57.18 | shrift | ssh: connect to host (ipaddressremoved) port 22: Operation timed out |
| 19:57.23 | dkr | slidesinger: yes |
| 19:57.27 | xingu | shrift: sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1 |
| 19:57.43 | slidesinger | dkr: You're all over the place. |
| 19:57.58 | Tramp | why would he need forwarding for a direct connection to the external IP? |
| 19:58.08 | shrift | xingu: what does that do? |
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| 19:58.33 | Tramp | shrift: does your client reverse-resolve on the server? |
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| 19:58.48 | xingu | Tramp: because otherwise the interface the packet's arriving on won't |
| 19:58.54 | shrift | yes, it does get the revers dns |
| 19:59.00 | shrift | well |
| 19:59.04 | amax | hehe pplz I found strange bug )))))))))))) try under debian lenny in console: apt-cache search e17 |
| 19:59.04 | shrift | here is the weird thing guys |
| 19:59.12 | shrift | I can see the packets hitting the server if I look at tcpdump |
| 19:59.13 | amax | you will be amazed with results |
| 19:59.16 | shrift | from my client |
| 19:59.23 | valdyn | amax: not a bug? |
| 19:59.35 | Tramp | shrift: run the server with the -d option single-threaded. See what it says |
| 19:59.41 | amax | valdyn: it show me alsa-tools-gui |
| 19:59.48 | shrift | the sshd server? |
| 19:59.52 | amax | valdyn: is it ok ? )) |
| 19:59.52 | valdyn | amax: apt-cache show alsa-tools-gui | grep e17 |
| 19:59.54 | Tramp | shrift: yes |
| 20:00.14 | amax | valdyn: ah! ))))))) thanks |
| 20:00.21 | shrift | ahhh but if I reset the sshd server I won't be able to access it... I'm remote to the server |
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| 20:01.04 | Tramp | xingu: if I understand him correctly, he connects from remote to the external IF |
| 20:01.04 | znh | Hello. |
| 20:01.04 | shrift | tramp: can I restart sshd server and keep it attached to console via ssh? |
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| 20:01.17 | shrift | what I mean to say is, I'm sshd in now through the working interface |
| 20:01.21 | shrift | no local access |
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| 20:02.08 | porkpie | guy's any ideas Failed to open /dev/pts/3: No such file or directory it doesn't exist so the message is correct but I don't know why ? |
| 20:02.09 | znh | I've installed gmailfs using the packagemanager(apt) but as soon I try to mount my gmail account, it gives fusermount: failed to access mountpoint /gmailbackup: Transport endpoint is not connected - Anyone has a clue? |
| 20:02.13 | Tramp | shrift: when you stop the ssh server, running connections are not affected. When you are remote though, it may be worth first checking a bit more without stopping the server |
| 20:02.23 | valdyn | porkpie: you are in a chroot environment? |
| 20:02.23 | porkpie | Tramp:hi |
| 20:02.32 | Tramp | hi porkpie |
| 20:02.52 | porkpie | valdyn:no I have another connection in which is working fine |
| 20:03.09 | porkpie | Tramp:sorry about yesterday .... I got called away |
| 20:03.12 | znh | solved |
| 20:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: but does sid usually contain cvs-builds? |
| 20:03.19 | valdyn | porkpie: hows that supposed to be to whatever "connection" ? |
| 20:03.27 | valdyn | porkpie: hows that supposed to be related to whatever "connection" ? |
| 20:03.48 | Tramp | shrift: so to clarify: you connect from an external IP to the ssh-server (running on the ext. IP of a dual homed system) |
| 20:04.06 | shrift | tramp: yes |
| 20:04.07 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you think cvs is? |
| 20:04.07 | porkpie | valdyn:I am running a pptpd server ... I have incoming connection over the pptp |
| 20:04.24 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: the first thing it is NOT, is making a statement on the quality of the software |
| 20:04.38 | shrift | tramp: eth0 has external IP address, eth1 has local RFC1918 address, I am connected through eth1 |
| 20:04.49 | porkpie | valdyn:one of the connections is fine and connected but the other connection keeps failing with that error |
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| 20:05.02 | Tramp | shrift: from the same client you try to connect from, you can ping this ext. IP fine and see the packets on port 22 with tcpdump |
| 20:05.07 | valdyn | porkpie: i have no idea about what kind of "connections" you are talking about |
| 20:05.08 | shrift | tramp: maybe this will help to, nmap from my client to the eth0 internet address says host is down |
| 20:05.43 | porkpie | Tramp:how are you on pptpd |
| 20:05.44 | valdyn | shrift: nmap just pings to see if host is up |
| 20:05.52 | shrift | yeah I can ping the external IP fine and see the packets with "tcpdump -i eth0 not port 22" |
| 20:06.03 | Tramp | porkpie: no idea 8) |
| 20:06.07 | humbolto | in linux all end everything can be tweaked and changed. I am wondering, is it possible to change the temperature levels when my cpu fan starts blowing? |
| 20:06.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: that's a weird way of putting it... don't you think a bit more care will go in numbered versions, than in whatever is in cvs at a random time? |
| 20:06.16 | shrift | valdyn: right, but ping gets responses, and nmap fails? kind of weird |
| 20:06.26 | shrift | there is no firewall on this interface either |
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| 20:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: pretty often the rule seems to be "if it builds, it can go into cvs" |
| 20:06.38 | Tramp | shrift: ? why not port 22 ? which packets do you see? |
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| 20:06.54 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: which is why cvs builds are in debian rarely |
| 20:07.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: ex-act-ly my point |
| 20:07.12 | shrift | tramp: if I include port 22 I get tons of traffic from being SSHd in on eth1 for some reason |
| 20:07.21 | Tramp | shrift: not if you dump -i eth0 |
| 20:07.28 | shrift | yeah, I do |
| 20:07.34 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: its entirely up to the package maintainer. |
| 20:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 20:07.49 | chops | shrift: You're probably looking at the ssh traffic sending you your own tcpdump output. IOW, it's an infinite loop. |
| 20:07.52 | Tramp | shrift: ah, ok. This host is your gateway |
| 20:07.54 | shrift | it's like it's ignoring the interface setting |
| 20:08.02 | chops | shrift: (He said, having just jumped in with no knowledge of what's going on :-) |
| 20:08.16 | shrift | tramp: well, no it's not my gateway |
| 20:08.17 | Tramp | chops: no, he connects through this host to an internal host, then from there back to the internal GW |
| 20:08.18 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: with the exception that not only a maintainer can "maintain" a specific package, so if he's lazy chances are that someone else will upload a new version-. |
| 20:08.21 | Tramp | uh |
| 20:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was asking, because the guy ... now about 2 pages up/ago wanted to make packages from cvs and don suggested he coordinates with the maintainer so it can go in sid... |
| 20:08.33 | porkpie | chops:hi |
| 20:08.37 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it depends on the package |
| 20:08.38 | chops | porkpie: Howdy |
| 20:08.47 | Tramp | shrift: what packets do you see on port 22 when you dump -i eth0?? where do they come from? |
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| 20:08.54 | shrift | tramp: eth1 is firewalled and the firewall is it's gateway, eth0 has a separate gateway too |
| 20:08.54 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: I was really talking about new versions, though; typically development versions go to experimental. |
| 20:09.04 | porkpie | chops:an you help with pptpd |
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| 20:09.19 | chops | porkpie: I cannot, sorry :-( |
| 20:09.23 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: i probably have 50 cvs packages installed |
| 20:09.25 | porkpie | chops:Failed to open /dev/pts/3: No such file or directory |
| 20:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's what I thought :) Was just wondering a bit about your comment there |
| 20:09.40 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: out of 4k |
| 20:09.43 | porkpie | dunno why it's fail to create the pts |
| 20:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: how do you know |
| 20:09.56 | Tramp | shrift: I mean, this host is the gateway for your internal network. You connect through it to the internal host, from which you connect back to eth1 - or do I get this wrong? |
| 20:10.11 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: parsing version strings |
| 20:10.13 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: usually unreleased packages have dates and strings like "cvs" "svn" "git" "bzr" in them. |
| 20:10.18 | porkpie | chops:can think of any other channels that would help with pptpd |
| 20:10.37 | shrift | tramp: hold on I'm running the dumps |
| 20:10.50 | chops | porkpie: You might check with google to find the development community for pptpd -- there might be a pptpd-users mailing list somewhere or something |
| 20:10.57 | Tramp | shrift: and if this is the case, then you forward port 22 on the external IF to the internal host, thus you cannot connect to the sshd |
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| 20:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
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| 20:11.43 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not required, but it's a convention |
| 20:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | understood |
| 20:11.57 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | so he did something like dpkg -l |egrep 'cvs|git|svn|bzr' |wc -l |
| 20:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 20:12.11 | shrift | tramp: the network topology for the server is like this: eth1 gets address from firewall which forwards port 22 to it on an RFC1918 address, (this is what I"m connected to via ssh), eth0 has an internet IP and is in no way firewalled. |
| 20:12.18 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: like that, just only cvs |
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| 20:12.47 | shrift | tramp: I am trying to unsuccesfully connect to the server through the unfirewalled external IP |
| 20:12.49 | xingu | shrift: a paste(bin) of "ip link show" and "ip route show" from your broken system, and, your test point would do wonders |
| 20:13.02 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: hopefully something like dpkg -W -f '${Version}'|egrep 'cvs|git|svn|bzr' |wc -l; or similar |
| 20:13.09 | shrift | xingu: test point? |
| 20:13.13 | shrift | oh |
| 20:13.15 | shrift | where I am now? |
| 20:13.17 | xingu | yes |
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| 20:13.28 | Tramp | shrift: so the eth0 of this server is in the same (public) net as the external IP of your Firewall? do I get this right? |
| 20:13.38 | kaxi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.51 | shrift | tramp: that is correct |
| 20:13.51 | valdyn | kaxi: you would edit ~/.xsession |
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| 20:14.09 | krzychu | hi guys, I'm debian newbie, please, anyone know how to find particular file in package repository? |
| 20:14.20 | valdyn | !tell krzychu -about search |
| 20:14.33 | Tramp | shrift: are eth0 and the IF of the firewall on a hub? |
| 20:14.43 | dkr | krzychu: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
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| 20:14.57 | krzychu | I just need php interpreter and have php package installed ... but there is no /usr/bin/php in my system :( |
| 20:15.17 | krzychu | find / -name php gives me nothing as well :/ |
| 20:15.31 | shrift | tramp: eth0 goes directly to an internet switch, however, the external address may be connected to the same one, eth1 is on a switch with the internal nic of the firewall |
| 20:15.41 | xingu | shrift: add "ip addr show" to that soup, apologies |
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| 20:15.48 | Tramp | shrift: I want to find out, what the problem with the tcpdump is, because we need to dump on eth0 of the server, including port 22, to debug. Do it and tell me what the packets are you see |
| 20:15.58 | dkr | shrift: sorry, got called away. so the ssh fails to even make tcp connection? |
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| 20:16.14 | rjent | anyone faced the aufs+nfs issue with 2.6.22-3? |
| 20:16.18 | Tramp | shrift: what is their source and destination IP and what systems are those |
| 20:16.19 | bkw | What debian package will install apache2 ssl modules? |
| 20:16.20 | shrift | dkr: no it kind of connects.... scroll up ;) that was a while ago |
| 20:16.49 | valdyn | bkw: dont ask us, '/msg dpkg search' |
| 20:16.50 | shrift | tramp, xingu: I'm not comfortable with posting my IP info in here... can I PM you the pastebins or something? |
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| 20:16.55 | krzychu | dkr, thanks for the link :) |
| 20:17.05 | xingu | shrift: hmm ok then just don't pastebin it at all |
| 20:17.13 | Tramp | shrift: if you want, you can msg me |
| 20:17.36 | bkw | valdyn: apt-cache search apache2 ssl suggest several packages. But which one installes the modules |
| 20:17.57 | dkr | shrift: if it completes 3-wat tcp handshake, then the problem is at application level, sshd log on server and ssh -v on client should give a reason for failure to auth |
| 20:18.00 | valdyn | bkw: READ, its few enough |
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| 20:18.48 | shrift | ummm ok... : ( |
| 20:19.04 | shrift | I'm getting overwhelemed with troubleshooting ideas, a great problem to have. : ) |
| 20:19.10 | shrift | but what should I be finding right now? |
| 20:19.14 | xingu | shrift: my guess would be that your firewall is dropping packets on the floor - because - 1/ your default route points to it - and - 2/ it is configured with the internet-reachable _network_ on the public-side - and - as a result of 1+2 - 3/ is junking packets apparently-from the outside, appearing on the "protected" interface. |
| 20:19.28 | xingu | shrift: does your firewall have logs that indicate this is going on? |
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| 20:20.03 | shrift | xingu: the firewall is not in any way associated with the eth0 interface apart from that both physical cables connect to the internet facing switch in the data center |
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| 20:20.23 | xingu | shrift: where is your default route pointing? |
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| 20:21.03 | shrift | two, the route for eth1 correctly points to GW on firewall, and on eth0 it correctly points to the IP providers assigned GW |
| 20:21.06 | xingu | shrift: default route - on the dual-homed box, with one rfc1918/learned address, and one hardwired routeable address |
| 20:21.26 | shrift | xingu: yes |
| 20:21.29 | xingu | shrift: the clue's in the name; without policy-based routing, you get one default route. |
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| 20:21.46 | shrift | ok |
| 20:22.00 | shrift | xingu: hmm I just did route again |
| 20:22.10 | xingu | shrift: which interface does traceroute -In yo.ur.te.st pick? - use the ip address of the ssh-client system. |
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| 20:22.30 | shrift | this is very finnicky... right now eth0 has no default GW on the route output |
| 20:22.56 | shrift | hmm ok |
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| 20:23.14 | shrift | xingu: it picks firewall |
| 20:23.19 | xingu | ... |
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| 20:24.10 | shrift | xingu: traceroute uses the eth1 internal nic card |
| 20:24.18 | shrift | when tracerouting my client IP |
| 20:24.26 | shrift | is that not what you meant? |
| 20:24.51 | xingu | shrift: yes |
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| 20:25.22 | shrift | xingu: ok after doing ifup eth0, now route shows a default for both nic cards |
| 20:25.36 | shrift | xingu: oddly enough it did not do so before |
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| 20:26.24 | shrift | however, it still fails just as before. : ( |
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| 20:26.32 | S4nD3r | how solve cups printer problem ?? |
| 20:26.34 | S4nD3r | open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds... |
| 20:26.45 | xingu | shrift: so your topology has a default route learnt via dhcp bound to eth1 addressed from your rfc1918 space; only one default route will be selected _unless_ you configure load-sharing; I would take a very good guess, that you don't, and the rfc1918-addressed gateway is always selected |
| 20:27.49 | xingu | shrift: so the scenario I'm describing will happen exactly as described; packets addressed to your non-rfc1918 interface will arrive _on_ that interface and the other flow-half will leave after consulting the routing table and discovering your default route - ie - via the rfc1918-addressed interface bound for your firewall |
| 20:27.54 | shrift | xingu: ok so if that is the case, the connections are coming in fine, but then the firewall is blocking them on the way out? |
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| 20:28.19 | xingu | shrift: which will likely as not then shit bricks and throw the packets on the floor becuase the "source" is a known-connected-to-"public" interface. |
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| 20:28.41 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 20:28.49 | dimsuz | anyone tried grub2? is it worth trying it? :) |
| 20:28.57 | dimsuz | just curious |
| 20:29.01 | shrift | xingu: that makes sense |
| 20:29.09 | xingu | shrift: the first question I have for you at this juncture - is what are you actually trying to achieve? your current design requires loadbalancing of some description |
| 20:29.09 | shrift | xingu: and it seems like that is probably my situation |
| 20:29.18 | sp | dimsuz: well, it's interesting in a technical sense, but I wouldn't try it on a production system yet |
| 20:29.41 | shrift | xingu: I'm going to run two xen VMs on this machine. I want one to be firewalled, and the other not. : ( |
| 20:29.45 | dimsuz | sp: talking about home desktop. is it *that* unstable? :) |
| 20:30.10 | sp | dimsuz: I didn't dare to put it on any production system, including my home desktop, yet |
| 20:30.35 | xingu | shrift: your xen vm images will have their own routing tables, one per; this is a non-issue. |
| 20:30.39 | dimsuz | sp: ok. me too. that's why i'm asking :) |
| 20:30.47 | xingu | shrift: just bind one to your eth0 interface and one to eth1 - job done |
| 20:31.23 | shrift | xingu: yes but they both need internet access. and if I dont' assign an working internet routable IP to eth0, how does it get out? |
| 20:31.24 | sp | dimsuz: I can't comment on its exact status right now, but I wouldn't use it if I were you |
| 20:31.36 | sp | w 5 |
| 20:31.38 | sp | oops :) |
| 20:31.41 | dimsuz | :) |
| 20:31.44 | shrift | xingu: through the firewall is not acceptable... bypassing that completely is the whole point. It cannot take the extra load of this VM |
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| 20:32.30 | xingu | shrift: continue to assign a routable address to eth0; set the vm images' default gateway appropriately; the dom0 continues to use your rfc1918 network only. |
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| 20:33.24 | xingu | shrift: ie, the domU's are running their _own_ routing tables, independant of dom0 |
| 20:33.29 | shrift | xingu: hmmmm so the routing table of the VM will bypass the dom0 |
| 20:33.32 | xingu | yes. |
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| 20:33.37 | shrift | xingu: ok I'll give that a shot |
| 20:33.43 | shrift | tyvm for the troubleshooting |
| 20:33.55 | shrift | lol, and sorry if it turns out to have been pointless. ;) |
| 20:34.02 | xingu | it's a whacky-ass requirement. :) |
| 20:34.07 | shrift | tramp: thanks for your help as well |
| 20:34.11 | shrift | yeah it is |
| 20:34.15 | xingu | fix your firewall or bin it :) |
| 20:34.25 | shrift | I'd love to put them all behind a firewall, but until we upgrade it's not possible. : ( |
| 20:34.28 | xingu | ie, either it works or it doesn't |
| 20:34.37 | shrift | well the FW is fine... just underpowered |
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| 20:34.55 | shrift | the traffic on this VM would bury it |
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| 20:34.59 | shrift | : ( |
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| 20:35.17 | MrRoland | hey, need some help. I have /home and I would like all users to be able to read their home content only but also apache to be able to read www |
| 20:35.31 | xingu | shrift: in fact I don't even think you need to address eth0 in dom0 |
| 20:35.51 | shrift | xingu: that's what I'm trying to figure out now |
| 20:35.54 | xingu | shrift: my read of the xen wiki is that you can just move eth0's current address onto veth0 |
| 20:35.59 | shrift | xingu: where do I assign the internet routable IP? |
| 20:36.14 | xingu | shrift: then leave the eth0 unnumbered and ifconfig up'd. |
| 20:36.15 | shrift | xingu: wwell that is what the script does |
| 20:36.21 | shrift | the bridging script |
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| 20:36.53 | shrift | xingu: would I just let xend create the bridge for eth0, then assign that same IP to the VM? |
| 20:37.05 | ``y7 | is there a way to run a search in a terminal? |
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| 20:37.19 | shrift | a search? |
| 20:37.23 | shrift | like looking for aparticular file? |
| 20:37.38 | ``y7 | for example, i typed ps -ef, and it shows about 50 lines. can i just run a search so i don't have to scroll through to find something? |
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| 20:37.45 | xingu | shrift: I'd imagine so, try it; you may need to deconfigure it on the eth0 end. |
| 20:38.07 | shrift | y7: try using grep |
| 20:38.09 | sp | ``y7: grep is your friend... try ps -ef | grep processname (for example) |
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| 20:38.19 | shrift | ps -ef | grep (youritemhere) |
| 20:38.22 | MarcoPau | do you guys know any way to save an apparently corrupted floppy disc? |
| 20:38.23 | shrift | for instance |
| 20:38.29 | shrift | ps -ef | grep apache |
| 20:38.35 | shrift | would return apache related results |
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| 20:38.39 | shrift | xingu: I'll try it, thanks again |
| 20:38.41 | ``y7 | ty sir |
| 20:39.01 | shrift | y7, also worth trying, cause I dont' know exactly what you're trying to find... is locate |
| 20:39.09 | xingu | shrift: not 100% on this, the _xen specific_ bits I'm skimreading right now |
| 20:39.13 | shrift | great for random conf files etc |
| 20:39.37 | shrift | xingu: ok, thanks |
| 20:39.56 | slidesinger | lenny: Can I use the dhcp client and manually config my dns? |
| 20:40.40 | slidesinger | (sorry) running testing (lenny) Can I use the dhcp client and manually config my dns? |
| 20:40.48 | dkr | shrift: pgrep :) |
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| 20:41.02 | slidesinger | !pgrep |
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| 20:41.28 | Tramp | slidesinger: e.g. man dhclient.conf, search for "option modifiers" |
| 20:41.32 | dkr | it's just a dedicated app to do ps auxww|grep functionality |
| 20:41.48 | slidesinger | Tramp: Thanks |
| 20:42.45 | Tramp | slidesinger: e.g. "supersede domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1" |
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| 20:43.54 | bjwebb | hi |
| 20:44.03 | bjwebb | i can print from an application |
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| 20:44.18 | bjwebb | but the cups print test page/clean print heads fails |
| 20:44.26 | bjwebb | "Not allowed to print." |
| 20:44.26 | dacs | !lynx |
| 20:44.26 | dpkg | a good i mean rocking web browser!, or the ultimate solution to banner ads, or to stop a transfer, hit Ctrl-G, or a piece of shit. links ownz it |
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| 20:45.20 | dkr | oops, I always spelled it "supercede" :) "Supercede has occurred as a spelling variant of supersede since the 17th century, and it is common in current published writing. It continues, however, to be widely regarded as an error." |
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| 20:46.15 | cheetahj25 | are there any packages to search wireless connections .. like an auto-detect? |
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| 20:47.28 | shrift | network-manager ;) or did you mean for commandline? |
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| 20:47.52 | cheetahj25 | gui.. preferred |
| 20:48.06 | cheetahj25 | but can the network manager search... |
| 20:48.20 | cheetahj25 | i am not viewing it now, but when i looked last you could only type the ssid |
| 20:48.28 | shrift | what do you mean by search? |
| 20:48.33 | xingu | shrift: ok so slight terminology rework; dom0 (after network-bridge) has peth0 (was eth0), peth1 (was eth1), eth0 (was veth0), eth1 (was eth1), xenbr0, xenbr1 |
| 20:48.42 | cheetahj25 | like scan the airwaves looking for accessible wireless connections |
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| 20:49.02 | cizzi | im booting in a kernel i compiled and i get "begin: waiting for root filesystem" and it hangs there until a shell comes up, i checked /boot/grub/menu.lst and it points to the right /dev, i also re-made ny ramdisk, any suggestions? |
| 20:49.14 | shrift | xingu: right, the xend grabs hardware eth, renames to veth, then eventually to peth |
| 20:49.18 | shrift | well |
| 20:49.28 | shrift | xingu: does some weird copying in there somewhere |
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| 20:49.44 | shrift | xingu: but end result is that peth is the hardware interface name |
| 20:49.47 | xingu | shrift: what you want to do is leave eth1 unnumbered (or give it another, different, rfc1918 network address is probably better) - this address will be unused |
| 20:49.48 | maui | is upstart available for debian lenny? (the init system) |
| 20:50.21 | shrift | xingu: well eth1 is already bridged and working for xen |
| 20:50.22 | xingu | shrift: and then, number vif2.0 with the address _currently_ bound to eth0 (then migrated to veth0 then renamed back as eth0 then bridged onto xenbr0) |
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| 20:51.01 | shrift | xingu: ok so if I get what you're saying |
| 20:51.05 | shrift | xingu: let the bridge run |
| 20:51.06 | xingu | shrift: if you follow; the address on eth0 really doesn't matter; what matters is that the domU that needs to capture it, has a _bridging etherdevice_ to attach to, that's all |
| 20:51.19 | shrift | then change the vif for eth0 to my internet IP? |
| 20:51.23 | xingu | shrift: it's probably simpler if you address eth0 in dom0 from a totally different range |
| 20:51.38 | xingu | shrift: then number the vifX.0 for eth0 from your internet IP yes |
| 20:51.41 | shrift | hmmmm |
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| 20:51.58 | xingu | shrift: having said that either way should work, unnumbered bridges work too :) |
| 20:52.11 | shrift | xingu: what does this look like in /etc/network/interfaces then? cause I need it to come up properly after a reboot, of course |
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| 20:52.41 | xingu | shrift: that's why I'm steering for simpler |
| 20:53.00 | abrotman | !info upstart experimental |
| 20:53.02 | xingu | shrift: which in this case means - in interfaces, number eth0 from another rfc1918 net - 10.0.0.1/30 or whatever. |
| 20:53.03 | dpkg | upstart: (event-based init daemon), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.9-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 166 kB, Installed size: 332 kB |
| 20:53.07 | abrotman | maui: ^^^ |
| 20:53.20 | abrotman | maui: you're on your own if it breaks/messes up your system .. check the BTS before you try it |
| 20:53.26 | xingu | shrift: and leave your internet ip - only known to the domU that it's needed in - on vifX.0 |
| 20:53.58 | shrift | xingu: so on dom0 I wouldn't even use the inet IP, just assign it in the VM's /intefaces file? |
| 20:54.04 | xingu | shrift: the key here is that the _domU_ is routing; dom0 is only bridging |
| 20:54.07 | xingu | shrift: exactly so |
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| 20:54.18 | maui | abrotman i just noticed it in experimental... hmm probably should't use it. |
| 20:54.26 | shrift | xingu: hmmm ok I'll give that a shot |
| 20:54.52 | abrotman | maui: it's up to you .. can't be any worse than when i tried init-ng :) |
| 20:55.00 | abrotman | maui: or try it in a VM first |
| 20:55.42 | maui | abrotman it is for something i'm going to distribute though... i think usplash is having issues with initramfs |
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| 20:55.48 | xingu | shrift: things really do get complex if you want _one_ routing table (ie, dom0's) to manage multiple gateways with this topology; then you need to start introducing policy for _how_ to choose a gateway - depending on source ip address, or trying to track which interface a flow was recieved-via so it exits-via the same way, or whatever. |
| 20:56.05 | xingu | shrift: tip, "don't do that" - just let the domU get on with running its own routing table, it's going to anwyay. |
| 20:56.15 | abrotman | maui: ah ok |
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| 20:57.40 | shrift | xingu: yeah that sounds a LOT better. : ) |
| 20:57.56 | xingu | shrift: in your shoes though what I'd _actually_ be heading for in the long term is to actually 802.3ad-bond eth0,eth1 together into a port-channel; and fix your firewall so that all traffic went via it |
| 20:58.36 | xingu | shrift: then, you get load balancing as well as link redundancy :) |
| 20:58.40 | shrift | xingu: yes indeed. In the longterm I am simply going to buy a new firewall... I'm submitting to my boss for two new redundant firewalls |
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| 20:59.13 | shrift | xingu: yea |
| 20:59.19 | shrift | this setup is far from ideal |
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| 21:13.17 | anunusednic | high all, i upgraded my stock sarge kernel to 2.6.20 and am trying to get suspend to ram to work, everything works (all modules load) but when i cat mem > /sys/power/state it will not suspend |
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| 21:13.40 | anunusednic | i get no errors in /var/log or /var/acpi |
| 21:13.43 | valdyn | anunusednic: no, dont suspend like that, use hibernate or powersave |
| 21:14.00 | anunusednic | valdyn: how can i do that? |
| 21:14.14 | valdyn | anunusednic: aptitude install <package> |
| 21:14.27 | anunusednic | what package? |
| 21:14.41 | anunusednic | oh so there is a hibernate package? |
| 21:14.43 | valdyn | anunusednic: "hibernate", "powersaved" |
| 21:14.47 | anunusednic | ty |
| 21:14.53 | anunusednic | i will check it out |
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| 21:15.17 | valdyn | anunusednic: this is just to have a tool do the workarounds necessary instead of you figuring those out in quite a bit of work |
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| 21:15.45 | valdyn | anunusednic: gnome-power-manager will do something similar too |
| 21:15.50 | anunusednic | valdyn: so do the scripts just do the cat standy > /sys/power/state? |
| 21:16.01 | anunusednic | because that is the problem |
| 21:16.05 | anunusednic | they do not work |
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| 21:16.08 | the-Shadow | quick question: any way with VLC to stream all files in a folder randomly? |
| 21:16.11 | valdyn | anunusednic: the scripts do workarounds |
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| 21:16.16 | hell-jack | hey |
| 21:16.23 | cartman | was up guys!!!! |
| 21:16.28 | hell-jack | i have problem with my alsa driver |
| 21:16.34 | hell-jack | my alsa driver 1.0.16 |
| 21:16.43 | anunusednic | i'll try it |
| 21:16.54 | hell-jack | whemn i put my headphone to a place |
| 21:17.04 | valdyn | anunusednic: ther's a huge list of things that need to be done for suspend to work on most machines |
| 21:17.05 | hell-jack | in order to listen music from headphone |
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| 21:17.08 | cartman | do yoyu have info about how crack mi win xp sp2 |
| 21:17.17 | valdyn | anunusednic: you can use a tool to do these, or debug it by yourself entirely |
| 21:17.18 | anunusednic | valdyn: i notice that |
| 21:17.35 | hell-jack | volume coms from both headphone and speaker |
| 21:17.37 | anunusednic | the problem lies in the fact that it will not even blank the screen when i cat mem to the state file |
| 21:17.48 | hell-jack | what is the problemm how can i fix this mistake |
| 21:19.13 | hell-jack | hey someone |
| 21:19.15 | cartman | what do you think about blackgle........:::::? |
| 21:19.24 | valdyn | !polls |
| 21:19.24 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 21:20.34 | Farad | so we hit a hdd crash, we have used SW-RAID1 and the second hdd was faulty and it was replaced. Now the server is up again but the SW-RAID is not running i assume |
| 21:20.56 | valdyn | Farad: why do you "assume" ? |
| 21:20.57 | Farad | any ideas? |
| 21:21.01 | valdyn | !think |
| 21:21.01 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 21:21.01 | chops | Farad: If the disk is mounted, SW RAID is running, just in degraded mode |
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| 21:21.19 | Farad | I haven't done anything to it |
| 21:21.27 | chops | Farad: Are you asking how to add the second hdd to the RAID array and resync it? |
| 21:21.31 | valdyn | Farad: you could at least read /proc/mdstat |
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| 21:25.23 | Farad | the problem is that i've got no clue how to mount the new second hdd, after it has been mounted i think its pretty easy to add the second hdd to the array(with command mdadm --re-add) |
| 21:25.32 | valdyn | geez |
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| 21:25.36 | Farad | heh |
| 21:25.37 | Farad | sry |
| 21:25.39 | valdyn | Farad: show the output of /proc/mdstat |
| 21:25.45 | valdyn | Farad: mounting has nothing to do with this |
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| 21:25.55 | Farad | ok |
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| 21:26.23 | valdyn | Farad: not output, content.. and use a paste site |
| 21:26.29 | Farad | hey, guys, im in a super hurry atm.. I gotta run to catch a train. I just had to check that the server is running atm normally, I will catch up with you later |
| 21:26.36 | Farad | I know, sorry valdyn, its my fauly |
| 21:26.37 | Farad | t |
| 21:26.38 | valdyn | Farad: alright |
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| 21:28.14 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out by which kernel module a device is created? |
| 21:28.25 | anunusednic | valdyn: eh, tells me i have no software suspend 2 in my kernel (which i dont), the link that it give to berlios is dead |
| 21:28.35 | anunusednic | valdyn:: is that just tux on ice? |
| 21:28.43 | valdyn | anunusednic: what tells you that? |
| 21:28.52 | valdyn | anunusednic: why would this have anything to do with s2ram? |
| 21:28.58 | anunusednic | hibernate |
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| 21:29.05 | anunusednic | here |
| 21:29.11 | valdyn | anunusednic: you could read the docs? |
| 21:29.17 | anunusednic | Your kernel does not have any recent Software Suspend 2 support compiled in. |
| 21:29.17 | anunusednic | Please follow the HOWTO linked from http://softwaresuspend.berlios.de/ for |
| 21:29.17 | anunusednic | instructions on how to compile Software Suspend into your kernel. |
| 21:29.17 | anunusednic | hibernate: Aborting. |
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| 21:29.24 | valdyn | anunusednic: hibernate defaults to s2disk |
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| 21:29.36 | valdyn | omg |
| 21:29.39 | valdyn | sunday still |
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| 21:29.57 | anunusednic | heh thought it was one line |
| 21:30.04 | valdyn | anunusednic: hibernate defaults to s2disk |
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| 21:30.11 | valdyn | anunusednic: read the docs, or config files, or both |
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| 21:30.23 | anunusednic | i checked out the man page |
| 21:30.24 | abchirk | Hi I compiled php5 with with those flags and some other=> --with-gd --with-jpeg-dir=/usr/lib, but phpinfo still says nothing about support for jpeg... what can I do? |
| 21:30.40 | anunusednic | will do |
| 21:30.46 | abchirk | libjpegdev is installed |
| 21:31.10 | anunusednic | valdyn: i dont have s2disk... |
| 21:31.21 | valdyn | anunusednic: you dont have WHAT? |
| 21:31.33 | anunusednic | oh that was not a program you were talking about |
| 21:31.45 | valdyn | anunusednic: nah, im talking about the feature. |
| 21:31.48 | S4nD3r | its so difficult to install and use a hpprinter in linux...I will give up |
| 21:31.49 | anunusednic | yes |
| 21:32.08 | valdyn | anunusednic: are you running gnome? |
| 21:32.13 | anunusednic | hmmmmmm... |
| 21:32.14 | anunusednic | no |
| 21:32.16 | anunusednic | enlightenment |
| 21:32.19 | valdyn | anunusednic: ok |
| 21:32.30 | anunusednic | i have no /etc/acpi/sleep |
| 21:32.38 | h3xis | S4nD3r, youre having problems getting an hp printer to work? |
| 21:32.38 | anunusednic | i believe that was deprecated |
| 21:32.39 | valdyn | anunusednic: you need to configure hibernate or powersaved to your liking |
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| 21:32.49 | S4nD3r | h3xis: yes |
| 21:32.52 | valdyn | anunusednic: youre confused, /etc/acpi/sleep doesnt exist |
| 21:33.00 | h3xis | S4nD3r, what kind do you have? |
| 21:33.04 | S4nD3r | Im re-installing cupsys, hpijs and hplip |
| 21:33.06 | anunusednic | i didnt see a powersaved for oldstable |
| 21:33.14 | anunusednic | do you mean powernowd? |
| 21:33.16 | S4nD3r | HPPhotosmart C3100 is a multifuntinoal |
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| 21:33.22 | valdyn | anunusednic: no, powersaved |
| 21:33.30 | valdyn | anunusednic: dont worry about it, hibernate is the better tool really |
| 21:33.35 | anunusednic | k |
| 21:33.47 | h3xis | S4nD3r, well, i've not much experience with the multifunctional ones but can you get it to at least print? |
| 21:33.53 | anunusednic | hmmmm, yeah i just get that error about my kernel from hibernate |
| 21:33.57 | valdyn | anunusednic: look into /etc/hibernate/ |
| 21:34.00 | anunusednic | k |
| 21:34.01 | anunusednic | brb |
| 21:34.06 | valdyn | anunusednic: there'S various config files for various suspend methods |
| 21:34.21 | S4nD3r | h3xis: neither to print |
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| 21:34.41 | valdyn | anunusednic: you can specify those like "hibernate -f file.conf", or similar, see hibernate --help |
| 21:34.59 | valdyn | anunusednic: but dont expect that to work at once, those config files have various workarounds commented out |
| 21:35.09 | valdyn | anunusednic: but if you are lucky, one will work |
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| 21:35.36 | h3xis | S4nD3r, how are you going about installing it? |
| 21:35.38 | valdyn | anunusednic: others will need additional programs installed, like ususpend, or a kernel patch, like suspend2 ( but that is s2disk anyway ) |
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| 21:35.56 | S4nD3r | just a second,... its finishing apt-get |
| 21:35.57 | anunusednic | valdyn:k |
| 21:36.05 | anunusednic | the daemon seems to have started |
| 21:36.28 | valdyn | anunusednic: do a tail -f /var/log/hibernate.log while youre trying to suspend |
| 21:36.44 | anunusednic | whats the best way to force it to suspend? |
| 21:36.51 | rha_ | hi all |
| 21:36.52 | S4nD3r | Im running hp-setup |
| 21:37.00 | valdyn | anunusednic: there'S no best way |
| 21:37.06 | valdyn | anunusednic: whatever works is machine dependent |
| 21:37.12 | anunusednic | oh ok |
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| 21:37.28 | valdyn | anunusednic: and some things, like proprietary drivers are well known for breaking it |
| 21:37.31 | S4nD3r | hp-setup runned ok!!! |
| 21:37.37 | h3xis | S4nD3r, oh so it works? |
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| 21:37.40 | valdyn | anunusednic: like nvidia drivers or fglrx for instance |
| 21:38.22 | S4nD3r | the printer is as device in hp-toolbox... |
| 21:38.27 | S4nD3r | but didnt print page test |
| 21:38.36 | valdyn | anunusednic: its a pain since its so highly macine dependent, you need someone else to have it figured out for you, or try various workarounds, read the config file(s) |
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| 21:38.44 | h3xis | S4nD3r, try printing from another application |
| 21:38.51 | Malf | <,/3 nvidia drivers |
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| 21:39.12 | Malf | my heart broke so badly a comma fell out |
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| 21:39.34 | S4nD3r | I tried to print from browser |
| 21:39.38 | S4nD3r | but... didnt print |
| 21:39.39 | S4nD3r | too |
| 21:39.53 | valdyn | anunusednic: and wont ever be ok unless vendors get off their asses and pay an experienced person the 15 minutes it takes to get suspend "options" figured out |
| 21:40.19 | h3xis | S4nD3r, what does http://localhost:631/printers/ say about the status of the printer? |
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| 21:40.44 | S4nD3r | open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds.. |
| 21:40.49 | valdyn | anunusednic: that tail -f i told you above could be useful to see where its hanging |
| 21:40.50 | S4nD3r | this is the error |
| 21:41.31 | h3xis | S4nD3r, cancel all jobs. have you tried setting it up through cups? |
| 21:41.48 | S4nD3r | I will cancel |
| 21:41.50 | S4nD3r | ready ! |
| 21:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting |
| 21:42.03 | S4nD3r | I didnt have to try to setup it in cups |
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| 21:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing." |
| 21:42.41 | h3xis | S4nD3r, try setting it up through cups. when it asks you for the username and password log in as root |
| 21:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I seem to have 1.0.12, AND I tried some of those .asoundrc setups and still flash doesn't play any sound |
| 21:43.04 | S4nD3r | setting up in cups ??? |
| 21:43.04 | S4nD3r | wher e? |
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| 21:43.15 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: flash cant use alsa |
| 21:43.21 | dacs | !chntpw |
| 21:43.31 | h3xis | S4nD3r, at the top, click Administration and click the button that says Add Printer |
| 21:43.32 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: ls -l /dev/dsp |
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| 21:43.43 | S4nD3r | add another ?? |
| 21:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, but the alsa-oss emulation should be in place, right? |
| 21:43.53 | h3xis | S4nD3r, delete the one you have first |
| 21:43.54 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: run that command.. |
| 21:44.00 | Malf | ugh I have to get a workable printer instead of this loud lexmark piece of garbage |
| 21:44.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, and then? |
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| 21:44.06 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: show the output |
| 21:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what should that tell me? |
| 21:44.13 | S4nD3r | I will try to modify it |
| 21:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Feb 5 18:38 /dev/dsp |
| 21:44.28 | anunusednic | valdyn: i commented out all the swsusp2 stuff and tried to use the /sys/power/state example in the config, hibernate doesnt error and the log file looks fine but still no suspend |
| 21:44.44 | S4nD3r | Ok... I will add another one |
| 21:44.49 | anunusednic | it just sits there |
| 21:44.51 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: cat "/dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" gives sound? |
| 21:44.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I have an oss module in place that prevents alsa-oss from being in effect |
| 21:44.58 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: ops, wrong command |
| 21:45.12 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 21:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: the device is fine, if my player, that uses alsa is not running |
| 21:45.30 | S4nD3r | Which device I choose? |
| 21:45.40 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: i see |
| 21:45.45 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: /dev/dsp doesnt use dmix |
| 21:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems so |
| 21:45.58 | h3xis | S4nD3r, it should be pretty much self explanatory. tell it your make and model of printer |
| 21:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but snd_pcm_oss is loaded |
| 21:46.08 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: you would needto run your webbrowser like "aoss firefox" |
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| 21:46.30 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: snd_pcm_oss creates /dev/dsp, it doesnt make it use dmix |
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| 21:47.31 | S4nD3r | I choose HP Printer (HPLIP) |
| 21:47.38 | anunusednic | valdyn: just tried the acpi option and it tells me that my kernel does not support acpi sleep, odd because when i compiled 2.6.20, there was NO OPTION for acip sleep |
| 21:47.40 | S4nD3r | But I dont know which is the URI |
| 21:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: but see the note above - doesn't that imply that all oss emulation from alsa > 1.0.9 uses dmix? |
| 21:47.46 | valdyn | anunusednic: are you using "hibernate -f /etc/hibernate/ram.conf" ? |
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| 21:47.55 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesnt |
| 21:48.02 | anunusednic | valdyn: i was using the stock hibernate config |
| 21:48.03 | S4nD3r | this is in hp-probe hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV |
| 21:48.06 | anunusednic | i will try that |
| 21:48.13 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: you dont understand how alsa works - it cant really use dmix |
| 21:48.21 | h3xis | S4nD3r, it should automatically detect it if you tell it it's a USB device |
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| 21:48.39 | S4nD3r | didnot recognized |
| 21:48.43 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: alsa sound goes app > libasound > kernel > soundcard |
| 21:48.43 | embkas | do you know if it is possible to recover an unsaved document which dissappeared after a shutdown? |
| 21:48.53 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: and libasound does dmixing in userspace |
| 21:49.22 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: the way app > kernel ( /dev/dsp ) > libasound > kernel > soundcard is not really possible |
| 21:49.29 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: its a shit concept, yes |
| 21:49.49 | anunusednic | weird, when i tell it to use the ram.conf, it tells me "shift: 759: can't shift that many" |
| 21:49.53 | S4nD3r | Im using cups in browser, thats right? |
| 21:50.01 | h3xis | S4nD3r, yes. you said it had something in the URI? |
| 21:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how is the dmix setup in .asoundrc supposed to work if programs access /dev/dsp directly? |
| 21:50.13 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: not at all |
| 21:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting answer :) |
| 21:50.33 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: dont use /dev/dsp |
| 21:50.35 | S4nD3r | h3xis: nothing !!! |
| 21:50.43 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: about no app needs it |
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| 21:50.53 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: get your app to use alsa directly |
| 21:51.16 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: and flash, that piece of junk can probably be convinced to use alsa via "aoss firefox", or maybe not |
| 21:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, firefox didnt seem to want to use it |
| 21:51.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | just trying that |
| 21:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything else (well, amarok/xmms/mplayer) uses alsa/dmix for a long time |
| 21:52.04 | jbt | i had two debian 4 opevnz VE now the other one doesn't have an output for lsmod, what utils/package do I need to install? |
| 21:52.12 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, only proprietary apps cant be fixed, its totally retarded |
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| 21:53.02 | h3xis | S4nD3r, go back to where it asks you for the device. you shouldnt have chosen HP printer. your printer should have appeared in that drop down box |
| 21:53.04 | S4nD3r | h3xis: Its installed |
| 21:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: ha, it can! |
| 21:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: thanks for helping to clean up some misconceptions I seem to have had |
| 21:53.41 | h3xis | S4nD3r, test page work? |
| 21:53.46 | S4nD3r | no |
| 21:53.55 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: howd you fix it? aoss? |
| 21:54.10 | Malf | S4nD3r: yeah i remember having to put in a URI similar to the one you mentioned to get my hp printer working back when I had one |
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| 21:54.21 | Malf | S4nD3r: that was over a year ago though |
| 21:54.57 | S4nD3r | hp:/usb/Photosmart_C3100_series?serial=BR6AKFR0S504KV I used it |
| 21:54.57 | anunusednic | valdyn: when i used the ram.conf it tells me "shift: 759: can't shift that many" |
| 21:54.58 | Malf | S4nD3r: But i think later I found a step I missed setting up hplip that caused it to provide the correct URI from that point forward |
| 21:55.03 | S4nD3r | but, didnt work anyway |
| 21:55.10 | h3xis | S4nD3r, when you went to specify the device it should have appeared, does it? |
| 21:55.11 | valdyn | anunusednic: no idea |
| 21:55.14 | anunusednic | valdyn:: i think something is fucked up |
| 21:55.18 | S4nD3r | no |
| 21:55.22 | S4nD3r | I put it there |
| 21:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: yes... runninf firefox with aoss prefix did it |
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| 21:55.42 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: neat |
| 21:55.56 | h3xis | S4nD3r, right, but your printer is natively supported so it should have appeared by itself. you werent supposed to choose "hp printer" |
| 21:56.13 | S4nD3r | Its supported |
| 21:56.25 | valdyn | anunusednic: install uswsusp if you havent |
| 21:56.28 | S4nD3r | I used this some months ago |
| 21:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: normally don't have much use for flash... but wanted to show someone this a couple of days ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqb9AGLtCU |
| 21:56.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | (hehe) |
| 21:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | old, but ... still nice choreography |
| 21:56.45 | S4nD3r | but, I upgrade to lenny, since then I didnt use the printer |
| 21:56.50 | anunusednic | valdyn: k i'll try that |
| 21:57.11 | S4nD3r | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| 21:57.11 | S4nD3r | request id is Photosmart_C3100-7 (1 file(s)) |
| 21:57.11 | S4nD3r | Done. |
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| 21:57.23 | S4nD3r | this error was generated by hp-setup |
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| 21:59.54 | S4nD3r | open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds... This error when I tried to print page test in cups |
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| 22:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn: so thanks again... great... |
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| 22:00.29 | S4nD3r | pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:00.32 | S4nD3r | lol |
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| 22:01.48 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.54 | S4nD3r | open device failed; will retry in 30 seconds... |
| 22:01.59 | S4nD3r | system default destination: Photosmart_C3100 |
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| 22:02.49 | S4nD3r | here Im having some help, in cups channel nobody answers |
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| 22:04.10 | S4nD3r | lpoptions -d Photosmart_C3100 |
| 22:04.16 | S4nD3r | media=A4 sides=one-sided finishings=3 copies=1 job-hold-until=no-hold job-priority=50 number-up=1 auth-info-required=none job-sheets=none,none printer-info printer-is-accepting-jobs=1 printer-is-shared=1 printer-location printer-make-and-model='HP PhotoSmart C3100 Foomatic/hpijs (recommended) - HPLIP 2.7.10' printer-state=3 printer-state-change-time=1202335121 printer-state-reasons=none printer-type=167964 |
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| 22:06.01 | the-Shadow | noobmode: how to use bittorent in console? |
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| 22:08.20 | S4nD3r | its so complicated to add hpprinter |
| 22:08.54 | jbt | my lsmod doesn't have any output, what would be the needed packages to install? |
| 22:09.35 | streuner | S4nD3r: no |
| 22:09.40 | amax | is it crasy to use lenny for production ? better upgrade later from etch or use it now ? inside VPS/Openvz |
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| 22:09.55 | streuner | S4nD3r: just use CUPS :-) |
| 22:09.59 | S4nD3r | chmod 700 /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp |
| 22:10.04 | S4nD3r | This were the solution |
| 22:10.21 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 22:10.21 | dpkg | hmm... unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 22:11.02 | page | I have a problem with apache and charsets. It ignores the charset entry in the meta data when serving the pages, so iso-8859-1 webs are shown with wrong characters. Anyone has a clue why this could happen? |
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| 22:12.53 | reZo | is there a way with wget to only show the progress bar, or a int percentage of how the progress is going for the download? |
| 22:13.20 | streuner | well, just use something else |
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| 22:15.45 | streuner | !info curl |
| 22:15.48 | dpkg | curl: (Get a file from an HTTP, HTTPS or FTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 7.18.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 190 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 22:16.13 | streuner | curl has progress bar, IIRC |
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| 22:16.55 | d0uglas | hi. what's the most pda/blackberry-friendly webmail client? squirrilmail? |
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| 22:20.11 | albimuin | hey all |
| 22:20.24 | albimuin | i am planning to install debian onto my laptop... |
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| 22:20.49 | albimuin | any hiccups that i might encounter? |
| 22:20.58 | albimuin | apart from wireless |
| 22:21.19 | amphi | !laptop |
| 22:21.19 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 22:21.29 | amphi | albimuin: what laptop is it? |
| 22:21.40 | albimuin | amphi: HP dv2416us |
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| 22:21.55 | albimuin | amphi: the wireless has issues but that can be sorted using ndiswrapper |
| 22:22.02 | amphi | albimuin: what card? |
| 22:22.25 | xuser | does fglrx still has issues with xorg > 7.1? |
| 22:22.42 | albimuin | broadcom 4311 |
| 22:22.54 | streuner | who cares about fglrx at all nowadays? |
| 22:23.06 | xuser | streuner: why? |
| 22:23.16 | amphi | albimuin: that's not supported by bcm43xx? |
| 22:23.27 | streuner | because free drivers works well? |
| 22:23.46 | xuser | the xorg ati driver? |
| 22:23.52 | streuner | yes |
| 22:24.04 | albimuin | amphi: nope....i had an issue with the ubuntu im running now |
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| 22:24.17 | albimuin | amphi: we need to get the driver used for XP and then use ndiswrapper |
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| 22:24.35 | amphi | albimuin: what issue? |
| 22:24.38 | S4nD3r | how to print 2 pages in one paper??? |
| 22:24.39 | amphi | albimuin: ugh |
| 22:24.56 | S4nD3r | what to install? |
| 22:25.13 | albimuin | amphi: the OS automatically installs bcm43xx...but the driver doesnt simply work |
| 22:25.47 | amphi | !doesn't work |
| 22:25.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:26.17 | S4nD3r | how to print 2 pages in one paper in openoffice writer???? |
| 22:26.29 | albimuin | amphi: i dont know how to say.... |
| 22:26.39 | albimuin | amphi: anyways that issue is sorted now |
| 22:27.08 | albimuin | and im sure i can make it work in debian too |
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| 22:27.27 | amphi | ndiswrapper is not a great solution |
| 22:27.43 | streuner | a piece of shit |
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| 22:28.13 | amphi | thou hast said it, Caiaphas ;) |
| 22:28.19 | streuner | but sometimes it just works (mostly) and its the only solution |
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| 22:29.21 | albimuin | amphi: yes it might not be the best solution but from a user's point it works |
| 22:29.40 | valdyn | !mpage |
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| 22:29.50 | PiousMinion | Whenever I use the installer from goodbye-microsoft.com the installer tries to repartition my real hard drive and not the loopback filesystem it was supposed to create. Ideas? |
| 22:29.55 | S4nD3r | how to print 2 pages in one paper in openoffice writer???? |
| 22:29.56 | S4nD3r | how to print 2 pages in one paper in openoffice writer???? |
| 22:30.05 | valdyn | S4nD3r: stop repeating |
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| 22:30.12 | S4nD3r | ops |
| 22:30.15 | S4nD3r | it was my baby |
| 22:30.16 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 22:30.19 | valdyn | S4nD3r: print to file, use mpage or whatever to print that file |
| 22:30.24 | DENNISO | hi. |
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| 22:31.02 | DENNISO | my server has been ddosed. can i get redirct with iptables? |
| 22:31.10 | DENNISO | Feb 6 21:54:04 server01 kernel: printk: 83 messages suppressed. |
| 22:31.10 | DENNISO | Feb 6 21:54:04 server01 kernel: UDP: short packet: From 82.146.32.153:16705 16705/1080 to 62.216.184.2:16705 |
| 22:31.12 | justin | S4nD3r: can't you do that with page setup/print setup? |
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| 22:31.23 | S4nD3r | no |
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| 22:32.53 | PiousMinion | Would this be the right place to seek support for the windows-based debian installer? |
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| 22:35.47 | Tabakhase | DENNISO want to say: Hi, my server is floodet with capy packs =( | My friend told me that there is a way to route this peackages back to him (or drop them) with a NAT via iptables - could somebody please giv me a link to a easy tutorial or show an example to me? |
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| 22:35.56 | DENNISO | thx Tabakhase <3 |
| 22:36.12 | porkpie | any pptpd guru's here ??? |
| 22:36.20 | justin | Tabakhase: you can't |
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| 22:36.27 | Tabakhase | www.karlrupp.net/de/computer/nat_tutorial |
| 22:36.33 | Tabakhase | there is the first |
| 22:36.55 | justin | Tabakhase: if your server is being flooded then sending MORE packets isn't going to help anything |
| 22:37.18 | Tabakhase | justin thats not exacly what i mean... |
| 22:37.20 | valdyn | Tabakhase: your isp needs to do this, not you |
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| 22:39.12 | redeeman | hello |
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| 22:39.51 | redeeman | i need to choose a mailer for a box, all i need it to do is send mail, with sendmail compatibility, not recieve or anything, just so that scripts/apps requiring sendmail can send mails |
| 22:39.55 | redeeman | like mdadm etc |
| 22:40.04 | redeeman | which do you recommend? i'd prefer to use as much default config as possible |
| 22:40.13 | valdyn | !ssmtp |
| 22:40.13 | dpkg | i guess ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 22:40.16 | justin | redeeman: the default exim install will work for that |
| 22:40.24 | valdyn | redeeman: exim, the default is just fine |
| 22:40.34 | redeeman | justin: i didn't do a "default set" install :) |
| 22:40.49 | valdyn | redeeman: debian has a default mta |
| 22:41.02 | redeeman | ah, so just install exim4 in etch? |
| 22:41.10 | valdyn | redeeman: that will already be installed if you have mdadm installed |
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| 22:42.11 | redeeman | valdyn: i have no "sendmail" binary |
| 22:42.25 | valdyn | redeeman: how would you know that you do not? |
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| 22:42.39 | redeeman | because i cannot find it in my path? :P |
| 22:42.44 | redeeman | also, aptitude show mdadm doesent list it as dep |
| 22:42.58 | valdyn | redeeman: its not supposed to be in your path |
| 22:43.11 | valdyn | redeeman: theres not only direct dependencies |
| 22:43.26 | valdyn | redeeman: ls /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 22:43.26 | redeeman | all scripts i've seen just calls /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 22:43.36 | valdyn | redeeman: thats fucked up scripts |
| 22:43.39 | redeeman | ls: /usr/lib/send*: No such file or director |
| 22:44.03 | valdyn | redeeman: how did you create that fucked up debian install? |
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| 22:44.26 | redeeman | i did as was recommended to me before inhere - netinstall etch, and choose none of the package sets |
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| 22:44.45 | valdyn | redeeman: dpkg -l cron |
| 22:44.53 | redeeman | ii cron 3.0pl1-100 management of regular background processing |
| 22:45.10 | valdyn | redeeman: thats fucked up, cron depends on an mta |
| 22:45.21 | valdyn | !info cron etch |
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| 22:45.25 | dpkg | cron: (management of regular background processing), section admin, is important. Version: 3.0pl1-100 (etch), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 22:45.27 | redeeman | yeah |
| 22:45.30 | redeeman | Recommends: exim4 | postfix | mail-transport-agent |
| 22:45.32 | redeeman | recommends :P |
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| 22:46.02 | redeeman | valdyn: but you think i should just take exim4 default config? |
| 22:46.06 | valdyn | redeeman: ok, i see, just install exim4 then |
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| 22:46.20 | angryuser | good day |
| 22:46.25 | valdyn | redeeman: you will be prompted to chose basic exim4 configuration, chose what you like |
| 22:46.38 | DENNISO | mh |
| 22:46.43 | DENNISO | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -p tcp -s 192.168.1.2 \ |
| 22:46.43 | DENNISO | --sport 12345:12356 -d 123.123.123.123 --dport 22 aktion |
| 22:46.45 | DENNISO | :O |
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| 22:47.41 | redeeman | valdyn: actually it didn't prompt |
| 22:47.47 | newbiee | hallo zusammen |
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| 22:47.53 | redeeman | valdyn: now i have /usr/sbin/sendmail :P |
| 22:48.08 | valdyn | redeeman: aptitude install exim4-config |
| 22:48.10 | angryuser | what is tha best way to check if Internet is working? ping? |
| 22:48.12 | newbiee | anybody who can help me i got this error: |
| 22:48.19 | redeeman | valdyn: it got depended upon |
| 22:48.20 | valdyn | redeeman: if that gives no prompt.. dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config |
| 22:48.24 | white_eagle | !ping |
| 22:48.24 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:48.25 | angryuser | i need to write a script |
| 22:48.35 | newbiee | cant paste it |
| 22:48.36 | redeeman | valdyn: ill run dpkg-reconfigure manually |
| 22:48.43 | newbiee | etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! |
| 22:48.54 | newbiee | cant start mysql |
| 22:49.03 | angryuser | <newbiee> hdd full |
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| 22:49.27 | valdyn | redeeman: guess you set debconf to refrain from asking questions |
| 22:49.35 | redeeman | valdyn: default :) |
| 22:49.37 | angryuser | <newbiee> release some space on partition |
| 22:49.50 | \amethyst | newbiee: what does df /var/lib/mysql say? |
| 22:49.51 | newbiee | but there is space enough |
| 22:50.12 | \amethyst | newbiee: also df -i /var/lib/mysql |
| 22:50.28 | newbiee | what means df-i? |
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| 22:50.42 | angryuser | it mean man df |
| 22:50.57 | \amethyst | newbiee: -i shows free/used/total inodes instead of blocks |
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| 22:51.23 | newbiee | sorry no idea what you talking about :-/ |
| 22:51.27 | angryuser | anyway, what's the best way to check if internet is down or not ? |
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| 22:51.51 | Tramp | !tell newbiee about man |
| 22:51.55 | dkr | angryuser: ping something on the internet |
| 22:51.59 | \amethyst | newbiee: each file and directory on the filesystem, regardless of its size, requires an inode. Most filesystems have a limited number of inodes, and if you have lots of small files, the inodes can run out before your disk space does |
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| 22:52.18 | angryuser | <dkr> yes the question is, what? google? |
| 22:52.20 | garotosopa | What does %hi mean in `top` header? |
| 22:52.20 | BenGotItWrong | Hi all |
| 22:52.32 | dkr | angryuser: I ping 4.2.2.2 myself |
| 22:52.35 | newbiee | and how can i fix this problem |
| 22:53.04 | \amethyst | garotosopa: man top, search for / hi / |
| 22:53.09 | angryuser | <dkr> it's for voip so i need to be sure ;) |
| 22:53.09 | BenGotItWrong | I just purchased the services of a dedicated linux internet provider. And unlike the previous one, they dont allow TTW reboot on a memory "recovery kernel/filesystem" |
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| 22:53.14 | \amethyst | garotosopa: % of time spent servicing IRQs |
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| 22:53.17 | dieg | hi |
| 22:53.25 | BenGotItWrong | so far so good.. but the problem is I keep on forgetting my root password :) |
| 22:53.33 | \amethyst | garotosopa: though I don't know if that is reported with (most) Linux kernels |
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| 22:53.52 | valdyn | BenGotItWrong: so write it down |
| 22:53.58 | \amethyst | yes |
| 22:53.59 | angryuser | <dkr> http://www.pastebin.ca/894406 something like that will do? |
| 22:54.00 | \amethyst | doh |
| 22:54.02 | dkr | angryuser: btw, we usually reserve "<nick> foo" for quoting something nick said. we use "nick: foo" to address a comment to nick |
| 22:54.02 | Tramp | angryuser: ping an IP, otherwise you test DNS. Start with the default Gateway, otherwise you monitor some external server's reachability |
| 22:54.15 | BenGotItWrong | Is there any chance on earth if I know a normal login's access through SSH with a freshly installed debian etch that I can either reboot or reset my password remotely? |
| 22:54.18 | newbiee | anybody who can help me |
| 22:54.25 | garotosopa | \amethyst, considering it's around 70% and my notebook is slow, should I think that there's something wrong with my recently enabled wireless device? |
| 22:54.28 | BenGotItWrong | (i know i am asking the impossible.. but who knows) |
| 22:54.38 | valdyn | BenGotItWrong: not possible |
| 22:54.50 | BenGotItWrong | valdyn: I had to ask |
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| 22:54.58 | \amethyst | garotosopa: that could be the case... is it sharing an IRQ with something else? |
| 22:54.59 | angryuser | dkr: ok ;) |
| 22:55.07 | dondelelcaro | newbiee: best to ask your specific question, and/or specific questions about the instructions that you've been given already. |
| 22:55.13 | \amethyst | garotosopa: or is it getting a flood of packets for some reason? |
| 22:55.15 | dkr | angryuser: using an ip address is better because failing to ping google.com could be due to a dns failure to turn the name into a number |
| 22:55.32 | BenGotItWrong | valdyn: So I guess I need to ask the friendly administrator on the other side of earth to reboot on a CD or something similar and reset the root password? Is that still how one does it nowadays? |
| 22:55.48 | PiousMinion | Is there any way to install etch to a loopback filesystem on my NTFS partition? Many sites claim that goodbye-microsoft.com can do this, but it doesn't work for me. Ideas? |
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| 22:55.54 | trifler | erm how to i check which version of proftd my computor is running :E |
| 22:55.54 | garotosopa | \amethyst, I have no clue about sharing IRQ. and I don't even have any AP or wireless signal around here. the switch is even turned to off now =P |
| 22:56.02 | dondelelcaro | BenGotItWrong: if you've got a serial console, you can reset it too. |
| 22:56.04 | angryuser | dkr: the question is, i need to find a stable server with fixed ip, to ping it like 1 time for 5 sec |
| 22:56.16 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, who doesn't set up machines nowadays with serial consoles? |
| 22:56.20 | angryuser | dkr: for free?? |
| 22:56.52 | BenGotItWrong | dondelelcaro: Is that something one can only do on the phyisical machine or could I get the local admin to get me some kind of SSH accessible serial access? :) |
| 22:57.07 | simonrvn | ssh isn't serial |
| 22:57.08 | BenGotItWrong | dondelelcaro: I am in the UK and my server is in HK |
| 22:57.11 | dondelelcaro | BenGotItWrong: normally you log into a serial console server and use that to access the serial console of your machine. |
| 22:57.15 | dkr | angryuser: that's why I recommended 4.2.2.2 you shouldn't script it too often though or it could be perceived as some kind of attack :) |
| 22:57.16 | dserban__ | How do I query the current alsa version even if it's not running? Specifically the driver? |
| 22:57.32 | BenGotItWrong | I guess you guys would answer that |
| 22:57.47 | angryuser | dkr: who is 4.2.2.2 ? |
| 22:57.54 | dondelelcaro | BenGotItWrong: the best setups you can even control the power switch for your machine from the serial consoles. If your setup is shoestringed, then you'll need remote hands to reboot and enter commands to reset the password. |
| 22:58.01 | dkr | dserban__: dpkg -l alsa-base |
| 22:58.27 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: quick /msg ? |
| 22:58.27 | BenGotItWrong | reboot in single-mode? (is that how he would login without knowing the root password?) |
| 22:58.29 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: on machines that are in data centers half-way around the planet? |
| 22:58.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure |
| 22:58.33 | dkr | angryuser: level3, a major internet provider |
| 22:58.38 | dserban__ | meh... Is there a good way to upgrade my alsa driver without wrecking further future upgrades/ |
| 22:58.39 | dserban__ | ? |
| 22:58.52 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i don't do that sort of thing |
| 22:58.55 | dserban__ | I can't understand why the sound won't work on this mobo.... |
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| 22:59.03 | th0ger_ifa | On ibook(gutsy/ppc): "No candidate version found for icedtea-java7-bin". Are my sources misconfigured, or is it not availble for ppc? |
| 22:59.08 | simonrvn | i've never worked on "big iron" |
| 22:59.21 | dserban__ | though I have a sneaking suspicion it's the driver, though :) I can't substantiate that at all |
| 22:59.21 | angryuser | dkr:thx you helped me, so 1/10 sec sound reasonable? |
| 22:59.50 | \amethyst | th0ger_ifa: you might try #ubuntu |
| 23:00.02 | simonrvn | (like anyone is going to hire someone with just high school nowadays, except as broom pusher) |
| 23:00.05 | \amethyst | th0ger_ifa: that package is definitely not in Debian; no clue about ubuntu |
| 23:00.27 | th0ger_ifa | \amethyst: sorry, wrong chan :-| |
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| 23:01.58 | angryuser | dkr: do you know any in europe? (ip major provider) |
| 23:02.11 | dkr | angryuser: scripting connections to other people's servers is a grey area. :) I only ping 4.2.2.2 when testing manually. |
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| 23:03.08 | BenGotItWrong | I just checkd my LILO settings, and I seem to not have any prompt delay. Does that mean the local hands can not start the system in single-mode? |
| 23:03.14 | dkr | angryuser: nope |
| 23:03.28 | dkr | BenGotItWrong: no |
| 23:03.38 | dondelelcaro | BenGotItWrong: they just hold down shift or numlock, iirc. |
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| 23:03.41 | dkr | BenGotItWrong: they can hold shift beforehand to get prompt |
| 23:03.57 | angryuser | dkr: let's say i need to verify every 10 sec if internet is online, if offline i drop off voip provider and pass out with analog/numeric lines, i am in real need to ping someone ;) |
| 23:04.34 | jeffwheeler | What's the best way to have a simple alarm clock that plays something from Banshee at a certain time on weekdays? I can't seem to find any decent alarm clocks in the main repos. |
| 23:04.50 | dkr | angryuser: well, the best way to test connectivity to your ISP is to ping your own gateway. if that fails you know your t1 or whatnot is done |
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| 23:04.58 | dkr | down |
| 23:05.20 | angryuser | dkr: yep i think il do that, thanks |
| 23:05.29 | BenGotItWrong | So if I tell him to do a "Shift" upon LILO screen and then enter "Linux emergency" in the LILO prompt and when he gets the shell prompt without getting any password asked, he can simply "passwd" on the command line to reset my password as root? |
| 23:06.05 | Tramp | !ifrp |
| 23:06.06 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 23:06.29 | screamingbytes | is there no singleuser mode on your boot menu? BenGotItWrong... |
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| 23:06.48 | screamingbytes | singleuser mode doesn't ask for a passwd and logs you in as root, allowing you to change it |
| 23:06.54 | dkr | why does it say to remount ro after modifying password? |
| 23:07.19 | BenGotItWrong | I have no single mode configured in LILO |
| 23:07.32 | BenGotItWrong | I will ask the local hands to use the instructions of dpkg |
| 23:07.40 | BenGotItWrong | looks exactly like what I need |
| 23:07.50 | screamingbytes | BenGotItWrong: do you have a knoppix disk or something that will allow you to add it |
| 23:07.58 | dkr | screamingbytes: on some (security conscious good ones) distros single mode does require password. hence the need for init=/bin/sh |
| 23:08.06 | BenGotItWrong | screamingbytes: am no where near the machine |
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| 23:08.36 | screamingbytes | BenGotItWrong: i was under the assumption someone your communicating with is near the machine sry |
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| 23:08.50 | dkr | your are |
| 23:08.54 | dkr | argh |
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| 23:09.02 | Yggdrasil | is there a way to list a directory on a webserver. similar go wget |
| 23:09.03 | screamingbytes | dkr: yes, but not most. i agre though with your statement |
| 23:09.30 | screamingbytes | s/agre/agree |
| 23:09.38 | BenGotItWrong | screamingbytes: he is.. 9 time zones away without a knoppix CD :) |
| 23:09.38 | dkr | Yggdrasil: only if it is congiured to give you the listing when you ask for the dir |
| 23:09.51 | Yggdrasil | i see and how do you do that ? |
| 23:10.06 | Tramp | dkr: I assume it would require fsck on reboot without the ro-remount |
| 23:10.26 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: why you giving my fellas a hard time with your "i need self-built alsa" :-P .. compiling your own alsa really has nothing to do with the kernel unless you need to patch it, even then, debian kernels can be patched -- but why not just compare a working kernel config with your own for your cdrom issues? |
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| 23:10.39 | mythomaniac | hello all, I am having a problem uninstalling a package, for I get, dpkg: error processing fuse-utils (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. however, when i try to reinstall the package it states this: /var/cache/apt/archives/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/sbin/mount.fuse', which is also in package fuse - what is the best way to remover f |
| 23:10.39 | mythomaniac | use all together? |
| 23:10.47 | dkr | Yggdrasil: by not providing a filename in the url |
| 23:10.53 | Yggdrasil | ahh thanks |
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| 23:11.13 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i mean really which sound card do you have in that POS craptop? |
| 23:11.30 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: start with dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/fuse-utils_2.5.3-4.4_i386.deb; and then remove the fuse packages. |
| 23:11.45 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: and stop buying junk - and learn how to compile a kernel properly! </rant> ;-) |
| 23:11.48 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: ok will do |
| 23:11.49 | dkr | Tramp: hrm. I never did remount ro and had to fsck. I've rarely had to reset password though. like twice in last decade. :) |
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| 23:12.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell mythomaniac -about force-overwrite |
| 23:12.33 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: that's what force-overwrite is doing |
| 23:12.39 | Tramp | dkr: probably most journaling FS go withouth fsck - however, the remount will not hurt |
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| 23:12.59 | dkr | Tramp: nod |
| 23:13.09 | Tramp | dkr: additionally it certainly syncs. |
| 23:13.15 | BenGotItWrong | Out of raw curiousity.. how would I need if my debian etch requires a password upon single-mode switching? I only have a init -t1 S running in /etc/rc1.d/ |
| 23:13.33 | dkr | Tramp: I was just about to say, I remembered the old school advice of running sync;sync;sync |
| 23:13.33 | enouf | wtf? |
| 23:13.50 | enouf | oh, nm |
| 23:13.59 | BenGotItWrong | (does anyone have what dpkg wrote for me to copy/paste into a /msg for me? I lost it all :( :( ) |
| 23:14.02 | Tramp | dkr: yeah ... old school 8) |
| 23:14.04 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro: that did the trick thank you very much |
| 23:14.26 | dondelelcaro | BenGotItWrong: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 23:14.47 | BenGotItWrong | is dpkg a bot? |
| 23:14.51 | enouf | BenGotItWrong: was it about resetting root passwd? |
| 23:14.55 | dondelelcaro | BenGotItWrong: yes. |
| 23:15.06 | enouf | oh, dondelelcaro got you |
| 23:15.12 | BenGotItWrong | cool :) |
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| 23:16.30 | BenGotItWrong | enouf: yes thanks anyway :) |
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| 23:18.58 | enouf | np |
| 23:19.47 | blindrat | I've got an old compaq here that seems to have an ATI Rage Pro with Tv-out but the flgrx driver doesnt support it, is there any way I can get detailed info on the xorg driver to see if it supports dual-display? |
| 23:19.54 | blindrat | I am not seeing any info on the xorg website |
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| 23:20.11 | blindrat | I tried doing xinerama but it says I cannot assign the same device to two screens |
| 23:20.34 | blindrat | seems for it to work it would have to be a specific driver option like twinview on nvidia |
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| 23:20.38 | enouf | man radeon ? |
| 23:20.54 | blindrat | never heard of that page, and its not a radeon |
| 23:20.55 | enouf | hwinfo --tv ? |
| 23:21.03 | enouf | doesn't matter |
| 23:21.04 | blindrat | I'll see what that tells me |
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| 23:22.12 | ya | seems my windows partition is damaged, i'm not sure my hd is broken, or some boot files are corrupt. If i boot in linux, mount the fat32, I can access all files. If I boot windows, it get stuck. |
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| 23:22.29 | ya | is there some tool to correct bad blocks, check partition (fat32) |
| 23:22.36 | blindrat | actually I only see one VGA output on the back but the internet says the card has composite input and svideo output and there are 3 rca jacks on the front.. I am installing hwinfo now |
| 23:23.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.31 | enouf | apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 23:23.54 | blindrat | enouf: I'm using ati now, not radeon.. but I don't know of any driver option that would turn on the tv out |
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| 23:24.07 | blindrat | enouf: I'll check for a manpage after checkin hwinfo |
| 23:24.19 | enouf | me neither offhand |
| 23:24.40 | blindrat | hwinfo --tv returned nothing |
| 23:24.47 | enouf | ouch |
| 23:24.55 | enouf | as root? |
| 23:25.34 | enouf | hwinfo needs root/su/sudo to run .. er |
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| 23:26.56 | blindrat | yeah I ran it as root, and I ran it without arguments and see nothing suggesting more than standard vga support in the graphics card section |
| 23:27.38 | enouf | rca on the front? where's your s-video jack? don't go by internet info when it comes to OEM comcrap |
| 23:28.09 | angryuser[A] | dkr: and if my provider change ip of gateway... is there any way to retrieve gateway adress from the router with snmp ? |
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| 23:28.27 | blindrat | enouf: there is no S-video jack just a red, white, and yellow RCA on the front.. and he swears that before his uncle gave it to him he was playing dvds on the TV with it |
| 23:28.34 | blindrat | mind you that was on win98 |
| 23:28.38 | enouf | get your motherboard manual, even if it's a miniPCI agp card |
| 23:28.39 | mha | Having some performance problems w RAID configuration. A simple raid-1 of two SATA drives, quite modern hardware incl a Intel 3.06GHz CPU. The raid build takes ~2-5% CPU (top). The raid sync speed is 6MB/s. And the overall system performance is horrible. tabbing to files can take up to 10s. In the past I've seen RAID-1 devices sync at 60MB/s when you build them without noticable delays. |
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| 23:29.00 | mha | Seen the same kind of I/O problematics on a RAID-6 configuration of 12x500GB aswell. |
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| 23:29.21 | mha | figured it was due to the RAID-6 being more complex, but seeing it on this very simple RAID-1 makes me wonder. |
| 23:29.35 | enouf | blindrat: that's fine, sure, then those rca's are outs? front of what? case? |
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| 23:30.33 | blindrat | enouf: yeah there is like a door on the cdrom bays when you open it there are RCAs on the front of the case |
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| 23:30.56 | TrueDD | Good night all |
| 23:31.01 | blindrat | enouf: I figured by looking at it, it was for capture, but he swears the previous owner used it as an output |
| 23:31.03 | enouf | well, make sure they're wired to something |
| 23:31.28 | enouf | open the case man |
| 23:31.39 | blindrat | enouf: I was guessing maybe they were serving as both the in an out since online it says this card has both composite in, svideo out, and the european model has tv tuner |
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| 23:32.09 | enouf | rca is synonymous with composite and component |
| 23:32.18 | enouf | well the jack type is |
| 23:32.23 | blindrat | enouf: they are wired.. the video card is completly seperate but onboard.. there is a northbridge, southbridge, then a ati chipset wired to the PCI on the southbridge and even has a socket for an add-on card |
| 23:32.31 | enouf | eww |
| 23:32.43 | BenGotItWrong | Thanks to everyone again |
| 23:32.50 | BenGotItWrong | Also to the nice bot :) |
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| 23:33.06 | themill | Is there a mount option to specify that my mp3 player is a dodgy PoS and that you need to speak to it s..l..o..w..l..y when transferring files so it doesn't get confused? |
| 23:33.15 | enouf | !prize BenGotItWrong |
| 23:33.16 | blindrat | enouf: I'm thinking its hopeless, I just wanted to poll for new ideas, and the ones you gave me were good, but I don't think anything short of a miracle is gonna make this work |
| 23:33.49 | enouf | blindrat: maybe not, you canb dual boot if you want i'm sure |
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| 23:33.54 | BenGotItWrong | thanks again and see you soon |
| 23:34.29 | jetscreamer | anytime |
| 23:34.49 | enouf | blindrat: see if you can obtain your oriog mobo manual, especially for onboard crud |
| 23:34.50 | blindrat | enouf: yeah but I don't really want to, we're using that box as a synergy client. samba server and transparent firewall for this windows box.. to avoid the need to run tons of anti-virus and firewall crap on this box.. |
| 23:35.04 | enouf | right |
| 23:35.16 | blindrat | enouf: compaq claims the fact that it even has RCAs is a mistake from what he tells me, he called them before |
| 23:35.22 | amax | anyone can say me , why kubuntu really slowly debian lenny on same box core2duo 2gb ram ? visually slow. xorg kde FF .. ideas ? |
| 23:35.36 | enouf | blindrat: well, fwiw , other useful utils are dmidecode, lshw |
| 23:35.51 | blindrat | enouf: never heard of them, what do they do? |
| 23:36.02 | enouf | blindrat: double eww .. dumpster time ;-) |
| 23:36.11 | blindrat | I guess I can guess what lshw is |
| 23:36.17 | enouf | blindrat: apt-cache show <pkgname> |
| 23:36.25 | enouf | blindrat: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:36.30 | enouf | blindrat: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 23:37.05 | enouf | blindrat: and lspci -vvv as root |
| 23:37.13 | blindrat | enouf: hah, dmidecode says no SMBIOS entry point found |
| 23:37.27 | blindrat | enouf: I'd done the lspci -vvv a week ago, shows no more than hwinfo does |
| 23:37.28 | enouf | eww |
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| 23:37.44 | enouf | dumpster that old oem crap |
| 23:38.06 | enouf | or .. throw in a nice agp card \o/ |
| 23:38.11 | blindrat | hah, well its all we got right now.. just not gonna work as a Multimedia system |
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| 23:38.23 | enouf | no agp 2x slot? |
| 23:38.25 | blindrat | its got a PII in it, so it wouldnt do much anyhow I guess |
| 23:38.28 | blindrat | no agp |
| 23:38.53 | enouf | i'm on a p2 here now, but it's a 350, so 100FSB, + nvidia agp |
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| 23:38.59 | enouf | ewww |
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| 23:39.18 | blindrat | yeah well this is a 266mhz |
| 23:39.21 | enouf | blindrat: really, dig a hole in the yard |
| 23:39.21 | Grab | i dont have telnet enabled on my shell: can i use any alternative program to connect via telnet protocol ? |
| 23:39.37 | enouf | or .. don't expect multimedia out of it |
| 23:39.55 | jetscreamer | i have a celeron 333 that's been at 500 for quite a few years |
| 23:39.59 | jetscreamer | o/c that puppy |
| 23:40.17 | enouf | jetscreamer: still a 66FSB :-P |
| 23:40.44 | blindrat | I doubt you can even o/c this thing |
| 23:40.48 | jetscreamer | mine's at 100 |
| 23:40.52 | enouf | celerys of that era have 128KB L2cache, ugh |
| 23:40.52 | jetscreamer | but the mb does 100 |
| 23:40.57 | enouf | ahh |
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| 23:41.10 | enouf | atleast i have 512 L2 |
| 23:41.25 | blindrat | yeah this has the 512 L2 |
| 23:41.31 | jetscreamer | hey i pwned @q3 on that rig |
| 23:41.40 | blindrat | 533.89 bogomips |
| 23:41.40 | enouf | heh, the latest core2duocoreduo2two2twos have what 3MB? |
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| 23:42.05 | enouf | bogomips isn't L2 |
| 23:42.18 | blindrat | I know I was just stating that |
| 23:42.22 | enouf | oh |
| 23:43.16 | x_link | enouf: Hi man! |
| 23:43.25 | enouf | x_link: hiya! |
| 23:43.42 | enouf | x_link: i'm tired, and need to rest though now .. |
| 23:43.57 | x_link | enouf: Alright. |
| 23:44.08 | enouf | good to see ya though ;-) |
| 23:44.12 | enouf | hope all is well |
| 23:45.53 | x_link | enouf: Take care man! |
| 23:45.54 | x_link | Bye |
| 23:45.58 | x_link | Damn this is weird. |
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| 23:46.17 | enveezee | oh well, screw it, I'm going home :-P |
| 23:46.18 | x_link | When I start kftpgrabber then something in my computer starts to make some noise, and when I close it the noise stops. |
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| 23:46.21 | x_link | What can this be? |
| 23:46.25 | x_link | Can somebody help me with this? |
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| 23:47.16 | bkruse | what is wrong with this route command: route add -net 192.168.52.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.19.136.2 dev eth1 |
| 23:47.20 | bkruse | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 23:48.04 | ericrw_ | is 10.19.136.2 in the subnet assigned to eth1? |
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| 23:52.36 | hon | which arch do I need for pentium4 with EM64T ? |
| 23:52.59 | jetscreamer | amd64 |
| 23:53.05 | jetscreamer | the name is decieving |
| 23:53.08 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 23:53.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about ... |
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| 23:54.35 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi; i know you guys will think i am a total n0b/n00b.. but anyway.. recently installed debian.. base/minimal instal.. wiht bare essentials.. umm went to install mysql/apache/php.. it istalled the correct php mysql.. but apache it did 1.3.. now when i install apache2.. there is no config files nothing.. any ideas? how tos ..etc i can jump on and break? |
| 23:54.37 | hon | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 23:55.19 | hon | nothing in /etc/apache2 ? |
| 23:55.23 | eevkaya | ghjhgljhk |
| 23:55.25 | eevkaya | ghjkl |
| 23:55.26 | eevkaya | hjkş |
| 23:55.27 | eevkaya | ghj |
| 23:55.47 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 23:55.47 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:55.52 | themill | andrew[andrboot]: no worries... The apache2 configs are in /etc/apache2 not /etc/apache. And you could uninstall apache 1.3 since you'll not be using it. |
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| 23:56.11 | hardcorelinux | hello |
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| 23:58.34 | mernil | Hi all! :-) |
| 23:58.44 | andrew[andrboot] | @ themill i mean.. lol. sorry. i removed apache 1.3 which took that dir out.. but apache2 has no config files @ all.. and now when i install it that dir isn't even appearing(when i install apache2) |
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| 23:59.15 | hon | andrew[andrboot]: did you actually check /etc/apache2 ? |
| 23:59.15 | mernil | why whold anyone use debian? |
| 23:59.24 | themill | andrew[andrboot]: did you accidentally remove /etc/apache2 at the same time as removing /etc/apache? |
| 23:59.39 | themill | !tell mernil about why debian |
| 23:59.40 | hardcorelinux | I install xfce4 along with other windows managers to just test them out. Xfce uses so many packages and has a metapackage xfce4 to install the whole system. In ubuntu I know they had the autoremove command to remove unused packages because I want to get rid of everything xfce installed what is the command to remove those dependencies to the metapackage? |
| 23:59.41 | mernil | i hate apt.. so it's a valid question. |
| 23:59.47 | andrew[andrboot] | @ hon yes. @ themill umm if i told you i removed apache and apache2.. via apt-get and then rm |
| 23:59.52 | andrew[andrboot] | *then rm'd the dirs? |
| 23:59.53 | dkr | andrew[andrboot]: the conf files are provided by apache2.2-common not the apache2 package |
| 23:59.54 | mernil | themill: im asking you |
