| 00:00.04 | catsup | el_isma: man, i put that ) in the wrong place, i hope you're correcting me, heh |
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| 00:00.08 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: there are a few other strings it looks for, but that is the one likely to be the least obtrusive |
| 00:00.30 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: 3. put the $TTL or IN SOA before the comments (or at least in the first 4 lines) |
| 00:01.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | might try inlining the comments and see if that fixes it - that would make the $TTL line go up the top. |
| 00:01.27 | catsup | jpiccol1: i duno man, it shouldn't do that unless the thing is in use, what does sfdisk -R /dev/hdc do? |
| 00:01.27 | kickback | catsup, what about color for all text |
| 00:01.30 | el_isma | catsup: I changed the mv to echo to test. I don't know which ) is in the wrong place. |
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| 00:01.49 | catsup | kickback: the way it works is, a program can output special codes which change the color |
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| 00:01.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 00:02.13 | catsup | kickback: if you a program that does that, you have to find one and use it |
| 00:02.25 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: the detection code, BTW, is in function BindzoneCheck in /usr/share/vim/vim70/filetype.vim (assuming it corresponds to the vim 7.1 location) |
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| 00:02.43 | kickback | catsup, so i can't configure it to display color |
| 00:02.55 | catsup | kickback: so you're a troll |
| 00:03.25 | kickback | catsup, troll? |
| 00:04.34 | Tramp | kickback: what do you want? Words with an "x" in green, nouns red and all vowels underlined? |
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| 00:06.07 | catsup | el_isma: the correct command is find -exec bash -c 'mv -i "$0" "$(iconv -f utf-8 -t latin1 <<< $0)"' '{}' \; |
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| 00:06.42 | \amethyst | catsup: that is likely to break when directories get renamed |
| 00:06.58 | catsup | really/ |
| 00:07.07 | \amethyst | maybe do it with -depth to make it process the contents before the directory |
| 00:07.20 | catsup | oh right |
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| 00:07.59 | el_isma | \amethyst: find -depth, got it, thanks |
| 00:08.06 | el_isma | catsup: thank you! |
| 00:08.09 | catsup | np |
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| 00:08.42 | \amethyst | actually it doesn't work quite right with -depth either |
| 00:08.55 | el_isma | \amethyst: why not? |
| 00:08.59 | \amethyst | because the shell script there converts the directory part even if it's been renamed |
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| 00:09.02 | \amethyst | err |
| 00:09.06 | catsup | ah right, jeeze |
| 00:09.09 | \amethyst | even though it hasn't been renamed yet, I mean |
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| 00:09.46 | el_isma | \amethyst: so I'll end up with empty dirs? |
| 00:09.58 | catsup | you'll end up with files that couldn't be moved, because destination dir didn't exist |
| 00:10.03 | \amethyst | here we go: |
| 00:10.39 | \amethyst | find foo -depth -exec bash -c 'mv -f "$0" "$(dirname "$0")/$(iconv -f utf-8 -t latin1 <<< "$(basename "$0")")"' {} \; |
| 00:10.52 | \amethyst | err |
| 00:10.57 | \amethyst | sorry, you had mv -i before |
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| 00:11.29 | \amethyst | also, it will prompt you about files that don't need to be renamed. You can do some checks in the shell script to avoid that |
| 00:11.38 | \amethyst | but I've got to go, so I'll leave that to you two :) |
| 00:11.42 | Tramp | \amethyst: wouldn't "-execdir" help in this case? |
| 00:12.00 | catsup | it should just produce an error and not prompt |
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| 00:12.09 | catsup | ya, it does |
| 00:12.18 | \amethyst | oh, right, you could use -execdir instead of the dirname/basename stuff |
| 00:12.42 | \amethyst | Tramp: I always forget about -execdir because it's non-standard :) |
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| 00:13.52 | Tramp | \amethyst: I just remembered it from a recent problem where I plowed through find's manpage. |
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| 00:17.00 | catsup | #perl -MFile::Find -e 'finddepth sub { rename $_, qx(iconv -f utf-8 -t lati |
| 00:17.02 | catsup | n1 <<< $_) }, "."' |
| 00:17.28 | catsup | fuck shell script |
| 00:17.44 | el_isma | catsup: :S |
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| 00:19.44 | el_isma | catsup: You sure that does what it should? I don't know a thing about perl so I can't debug it |
| 00:19.52 | catsup | this is embarrassing, there's yet another problem in that script, <<< doesn't work right with spaces |
| 00:20.13 | cockroach | okay, this is weird: i did a fresh debian install on a system, upgraded to testing and now the box' mac-address seems to have changed. how could that possibly happen? |
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| 00:21.33 | catsup | el_isma: as far as the find goes, that works fine (although so should \amethyst's script above) |
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| 00:22.14 | catsup | perl -MFile::Find -e 'find sub { rename $_, qx(echo -n "$_"|iconv -f utf-8 |
| 00:22.15 | catsup | -t latin1) }, "."' |
| 00:23.37 | catsup | you could replace rename $_, ... with system qw(mv -i), $_, ... |
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| 00:28.49 | VincentC | under my services settings, i notice that i have klogd and sysklog activated |
| 00:28.53 | VincentC | is having just one or the other enough? |
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| 00:29.36 | techouse | mac-address seems to have changed. how could that possibly happen? <--- w00t?! |
| 00:30.14 | Phil | mac address of what, techouse? |
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| 00:30.16 | wols_ | techouse: the little people did it |
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| 00:30.47 | techouse | <cockroach> okay, this is weird: i did a fresh debian install on a system, upgraded to testing and now the box' mac-address seems to have changed. how could that possibly happen? |
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| 00:30.49 | techouse | this |
| 00:31.06 | techouse | i just got stunned by this sentence |
| 00:31.08 | techouse | :P |
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| 00:33.39 | xand | cockroach: changed to what? are you looking at that right interface? |
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| 00:35.55 | BlackMagik | if i got to a directory /a/b and do umask 0000 but i want /a to only have a mask of 0002, how do i achieve this? |
| 00:36.13 | cockroach | xand: yes, i'm pretty sure about that :). also, PINGs seem to be the only network payload which still pass the interface. |
| 00:36.26 | holycow | so does anyone know how servers with 15 sata drives connect the drives to the mobo? i know that the satas plug into a backplane, what goes from the backplane to th emobo? |
| 00:36.49 | dondelelcaro | holycow: they generally don't connect to the motherboard |
| 00:36.50 | xand | holycow: they could be connected to pci(-e) cards? |
| 00:36.56 | xand | holycow: see ##hardware... |
| 00:37.07 | dondelelcaro | almost everyone uses raid cards with servers and that number of drives |
| 00:37.17 | cockroach | xand: it used to be 00:1b:fc..., now it's 29:c8:eb... |
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| 00:37.44 | zelda` | I got everything working right, but I can't access the internet from debian |
| 00:37.46 | holycow | dondelelcaro: so a raid card capable of handling 15 hds or so? or several of them i guess |
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| 00:37.48 | xand | there's some bug with some network chip and some kernels iirc which causes MAC address problems... not sure of the details :| |
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| 00:38.10 | Jckf | I'm trying to compile something, and I get the following error, which doesn't make sense at all to me: |
| 00:38.11 | Jckf | expected â=â, â,â, â;â, âasmâ or â__attribute__â before â*â token |
| 00:38.16 | xand | zelda`: so it's not working right then? :p can you access local internet? |
| 00:38.24 | zelda` | I cano |
| 00:38.24 | xand | erm, network |
| 00:38.26 | zelda` | * no |
| 00:38.27 | cockroach | xand: hrm, it also happens if i try booting kernel 2.6.18 from stable, almost looks like a communication issue between kernel and user-space |
| 00:38.35 | zelda` | I can't even ping the modem |
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| 00:39.05 | cockroach | xand: too bad i can't downgrade without a network connection :) |
| 00:39.27 | zelda` | so how do I get internet working |
| 00:39.31 | BlackMagik | can umasks be set per directory? |
| 00:39.42 | dondelelcaro | holycow: singleton cards can handle 24, actually. they generally use the multi-lane connectors, possibly with a breakout |
| 00:40.26 | xand | zelda`: what kind of connection do you have? via a network? etc |
| 00:40.36 | zelda` | Directly to the DSL modem |
| 00:40.39 | zelda` | Verizon |
| 00:40.43 | zelda` | ethernet lol |
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| 00:40.51 | holycow | dondelelcaro: aha |
| 00:40.52 | holycow | danke |
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| 00:42.07 | zelda` | how do i fix it |
| 00:42.45 | zelda` | brb I'm gonna try it again |
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| 00:44.36 | maddash | how do I adjust the key repeat delay? |
| 00:44.54 | dondelelcaro | maddash: xset |
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| 00:46.46 | maddash | dondelelcaro: ok, first things first: How do I get the current '-r ' value from xset? and second, how do I make the changes permanent (xorg.conf?)? |
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| 00:46.57 | aguaithefreak | help |
| 00:47.13 | aguaithefreak | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 00:47.17 | catsup | maddash: xset q; you can add them to your xsession to make them permanent, or if you'r using kde or gnome then use their configurator |
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| 00:47.35 | dMzii748 | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 00:47.48 | catsup | aguaithefreak: upgrade apt |
| 00:47.58 | Yanomami | i want to install new screen savers, how can i dod that ? |
| 00:48.19 | wols_ | Yanomami: apt-cache search screensaver ? |
| 00:48.20 | holycow | holy crap, 1tb hard drives are $300 |
| 00:48.21 | holycow | lol |
| 00:48.24 | holycow | thats amazing |
| 00:48.24 | maddash | ccccaaaatttssssuupppp::: hheeelllpppp |
| 00:48.30 | wols_ | !tell aguaithefreak about mmap |
| 00:48.35 | maddash | ccccrrraappp |
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| 00:48.48 | catsup | !tell catsup about mmap |
| 00:48.52 | maddash | III cccaaann''tt eevvveeennnn iiisssssuuee aaannn xxxsssseeeettt rrrr ooofff cccooorrrrrreeeccctttlllyyy |
| 00:48.53 | aguaithefreak | Ive change /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
| 00:48.57 | wols_ | !tell catsup about selftell |
| 00:49.06 | aguaithefreak | mmap? |
| 00:49.21 | wols_ | aguaithefreak: then remove source repos from your sources. how many are in there? |
| 00:49.28 | yigal | has anyone used initng to improve desktop/laptop boot speed? |
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| 00:49.40 | wols_ | aguaithefreak: dpkg messaged you something |
| 00:49.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone used apache on etch with 128mb of ram? (its running a bunch of other services). i'm wondering if thers a 'minimal' apache. |
| 00:50.05 | catsup | maddash: that's funny dude |
| 00:50.09 | maddash | aaarrrggghhhhhhh mmmyyyyy ssyyyssstttteeeemmm''ssss uuunuuussssaaabbbbeee |
| 00:50.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehehe |
| 00:50.15 | catsup | maddash: fuckin hilarious |
| 00:50.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'whoops' :p |
| 00:50.30 | catsup | maddash: i'll give you a command to paste |
| 00:50.35 | maddash | ttthhhaaannnkkkss |
| 00:50.48 | catsup | maddash: xset r off |
| 00:50.51 | LjL | maddash: been hit by that on some ubuntu release. |
| 00:51.03 | maddash | ::((( |
| 00:51.12 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 00:51.14 | yigal | has anyone used initng to improve desktop/laptop boot speed? |
| 00:51.15 | aguaithefreak | wols_: I remove all |
| 00:51.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ahhahaah. maddash is a spider |
| 00:51.20 | maddash | thanks |
| 00:51.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | wb |
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| 00:51.49 | dondelelcaro | maddash: xset q; is how you get the values, and drop in an xset line in your .xsession or .xinitrc or whatever is the general method |
| 00:51.54 | LjL | maddash: https://launchpad.net/bugs/39315 and https://launchpad.net/bugs/39315 - if they apply to debian as well, i guess they do, although i doubt there's any definitive solution explained in there |
| 00:52.00 | yigal | oh initng has been orphaned, never mind |
| 00:52.00 | wols_ | aguaithefreak: that's a very stupid thing to do |
| 00:52.04 | jpiccolo | anyone know where i can get some mdadm help? |
| 00:52.21 | catsup | yigal: what i did is put startx in rcS.d |
| 00:52.33 | wols_ | jpiccolo: since you run ubuntu, unlikely it's here |
| 00:52.36 | maddash | LjL: the same link twice? |
| 00:52.44 | el_isma | catsup: This is the final script I used for renaming: http://rafb.net/p/i60fiV26.html |
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| 00:53.01 | LjL | maddash: err, and https://launchpad.net/bugs/37472 - anyway 39315 is the really relevant one i guess |
| 00:53.02 | jpiccolo | wols_: well i dont run ubuntu but this chan has the most people |
| 00:53.28 | wols_ | jpiccolo: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:53.29 | jpiccolo | the server is debian i am trying to get help for |
| 00:53.31 | yigal | catsup: yes, I have also done this, but was/am interested in testing faster methods altogether |
| 00:53.32 | catsup | el_isma: that has the <<< problem i realized before... |
| 00:53.37 | catsup | el_isma: won't work for spaces |
| 00:53.43 | aguaithefreak | wols_: now I know... |
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| 00:53.54 | el_isma | catsup: It did work :| |
| 00:54.03 | catsup | did you have spaces in filenames?? |
| 00:54.09 | el_isma | and there are plenty of spaces! |
| 00:54.13 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 00:54.20 | catsup | oh, wtf |
| 00:54.25 | Ace2016 | anyone know how to read the temperature of an nvidia chipset? |
| 00:54.27 | jpiccolo | wols_: the server i am trying to get mdadm help for is debian |
| 00:54.40 | wols_ | jpiccolo: I doN't care what it is. I asked for the output of a command |
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| 00:54.57 | el_isma | catsup: But the filenames are quoted... shouldn't that fix that problem? |
| 00:55.06 | catsup | jpiccolo: it shouldn't produce that error unless the partition is mounted... |
| 00:55.16 | Nemoder | Ace2016: the nvidia-settings utility will let you view it |
| 00:55.25 | jpiccolo | wols_: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 00:55.57 | catsup | jpiccolo: what does sfdisk -R /dev/hdc do? |
| 00:56.20 | karmatronic | catsup, cfdisk |
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| 00:56.36 | jpiccolo | catsup: what hd do you want me to do that on or do you want me to do that on the raid? |
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| 00:57.07 | catsup | jpiccolo: you're putting raid on /dev/hdc1, i want you to do it on /dev/hdc (the disk where the partition table is) |
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| 00:57.30 | jpiccolo | catsup: i have the raid built, i need help recovering it |
| 00:57.35 | catsup | sfdisk -R is harmless, btw, it just issues a BLKRRPART ioctl |
| 00:57.58 | catsup | jpiccolo: um, is that partition active in a raid device/ that would also produce the error |
| 00:58.08 | mosty | is it possible to run a multiline command with newlines in a makefile? i want to do something like cat << EOF lots\nof\nlines\nEOF from inside a makefile |
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| 00:58.12 | cloakable | o.o |
| 00:58.23 | Ace2016 | i don't have nvidia-settings, strange |
| 00:58.43 | Nemoder | Ace2016: wait, did you mean for video or motherboard? |
| 00:58.52 | Ace2016 | wonder why it wasn't installed with nvidia sources |
| 00:58.55 | yigal | mosty: I would say so - I've done it before - although I cant remember if there are limitations, just test it |
| 00:59.02 | jpiccolo | catsup: here look at these pastebins: http://pastebin.com/m34157c4f http://pastebin.com/m73107b59 |
| 00:59.12 | karmatronic | firefox uses a lot of cpu , it turns out to be annoying... |
| 00:59.13 | Ace2016 | Nemoder: for the video card, but if the motherboard ha sensors i'd like to see them too |
| 00:59.13 | mosty | yigal, how do a represent a literal newline in make? |
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| 00:59.21 | jpiccolo | catsup: i need to put /dev/sdc1 back into the raid |
| 00:59.33 | Nemoder | Ace2016: lm-sensors handles most motherboard chipsets |
| 00:59.44 | runa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.24 | Traveler | Does anyone else find it difficult to read Ebooks on a LCD screen ? |
| 01:00.32 | jpiccolo | catsup: for some reason /dev/sdc1 is in the array but not in the array. do you see what i am saying? |
| 01:00.34 | maddash | !keydelay |
| 01:00.37 | catsup | jpiccolo: um, it looks like it's failed |
| 01:00.48 | catsup | jpiccolo: and thus you need to replace it |
| 01:00.50 | jpiccolo | catsup: yeah i simulated a fail |
| 01:00.52 | catsup | oh |
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| 01:01.07 | jpiccolo | i want to test this before actually using it |
| 01:01.18 | jpiccolo | and now i am glad i did because its a pain |
| 01:01.38 | Ace2016 | nvidia settings do not show any temperature readings |
| 01:01.48 | yigal | mosty: that isn't working for you? |
| 01:02.03 | maddash | dpkg: key delay is 'xset r [[on|off] rate #delay [#rate]]' (see man xset for details), or entry "AutoRepeat" in section "InputDevice" |
| 01:02.03 | dpkg | okay, maddash |
| 01:02.05 | mosty | yigal, nope |
| 01:02.07 | jpiccolo | in mdadm --detail /dev/md0 its removed, but in mdadm -E /dev/sdc1 its listed in the array |
| 01:02.07 | maddash | !key delay |
| 01:02.08 | dpkg | key delay is, like, 'xset r [[on|off] rate #delay [#rate]]' (see man xset for details), or entry "AutoRepeat" in section "InputDevice" |
| 01:02.13 | maddash | sweet. |
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| 01:02.52 | Ace2016 | it only shows the settings for nvidia-settings's config, so like show really quit dialogue |
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| 01:03.13 | CrashOverride | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.14 | catsup | jpiccolo: mdadm -E just lists the information stored in /dev/sdc1's md block |
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| 01:03.17 | catsup | jpiccolo: (I think!) |
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| 01:03.50 | catsup | jpiccolo: in any case, you're running "mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdc1" ? |
| 01:04.07 | jpiccolo | catsup: yeah when i try that i get |
| 01:04.20 | jpiccolo | catsup: mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdc1: Device or resource busy |
| 01:04.30 | mosty | yigal, i figured out a workaround, with echo instead of cat |
| 01:04.52 | catsup | jpiccolo: given what you've said that is very strange to me; find an md guru i guess |
| 01:05.04 | CrashOverride | why cant debian get on the internet at all |
| 01:05.14 | catsup | CrashOverride: debian doesn't support internet. |
| 01:05.14 | jpiccolo | catsup: yeah i dont know where to find one |
| 01:05.22 | CrashOverride | .. |
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| 01:05.25 | CrashOverride | rly |
| 01:05.34 | CrashOverride | wtf -.- |
| 01:05.38 | CrashOverride | yes it does |
| 01:05.40 | yigal | mosty: ok, sorry I can't think with so much ethanol in me :) - but I'm glad there was a solution. |
| 01:05.48 | jpiccolo | i tried gentoo but i got kicked by not sticking to topic |
| 01:05.50 | jpiccolo | haha |
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| 01:06.01 | maddash | CrashOverride: there's a SLEW of things to think of before debian can connect to the net |
| 01:06.03 | catsup | CrashOverride: internet is planned for the next release |
| 01:06.12 | maddash | CrashOverride: for instance, is your gateway using dhcp? |
| 01:06.20 | CrashOverride | whats dhcp |
| 01:06.25 | jpiccolo | haha |
| 01:06.32 | CrashOverride | when it was installing it sayd it configured it automatticly |
| 01:06.36 | jpiccolo | do you have a router? |
| 01:06.39 | CrashOverride | no |
| 01:06.52 | maddash | CrashOverride: not dial-up, I hope? |
| 01:06.53 | CrashOverride | both wireless routers i bought were broken |
| 01:06.56 | CrashOverride | no |
| 01:07.01 | CrashOverride | ethernet |
| 01:07.02 | CrashOverride | dsl |
| 01:07.04 | CrashOverride | verison |
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| 01:07.12 | jpiccolo | so how are you running your ethernet? |
| 01:07.22 | maddash | CrashOverride: **pastebin** (look it up, since you seem new) your /etc/networks/interfaces |
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| 01:08.26 | jpiccolo | your network needs to be set up like this: modem -> router(dhcp) -> PC(s) |
| 01:08.59 | CrashOverride | i dont have a router |
| 01:09.09 | CrashOverride | windows works with thei nternet on the laptop |
| 01:09.11 | maddash | jpiccolo: he probably knows that, based on the number of 'holes' that are available |
| 01:09.20 | yigal | CrashOverride: what do you stick the end of your ethernet cord into? |
| 01:09.32 | yigal | CrashOverride: that isn't a computer? |
| 01:09.34 | maddash | 'into'? ...oh god |
| 01:09.45 | catsup | i don't want to hear the answer to that question |
| 01:09.49 | CrashOverride | the thing that goes into the pc card |
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| 01:09.57 | CrashOverride | 10/100 ethernet pc card |
| 01:10.06 | maddash | "what do you stick the end of your cord into, that isn't a computer'? |
| 01:10.11 | yigal | Wow, just amazing :) |
| 01:10.12 | Nemoder | the other end :P |
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| 01:10.14 | CrashOverride | laptop |
| 01:10.17 | CrashOverride | modem |
| 01:10.23 | CrashOverride | the modem |
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| 01:10.34 | Nemoder | sounds like the modem offers dhcp |
| 01:10.43 | maddash | CrashOverride: wild guess here: open a terminal, and type in " su -c 'dhclient eth0' " |
| 01:10.51 | yigal | CrashOverride: how many eth ports are on the modem? |
| 01:10.56 | CrashOverride | only one |
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| 01:11.21 | jpiccolo | he is probably trying to do internet sharing though the laptop |
| 01:11.24 | catsup | if it's normal dhcp ethernet the instlal should have picked it up; might be pppoe |
| 01:11.42 | maddash | catsup: windows doesn't do pppoe out of the box... |
| 01:11.49 | jpiccolo | wouldnt he need a crossover cable? |
| 01:11.51 | catsup | windows? i've misunderstood |
| 01:11.56 | maddash | catsup: not w/o configuring, that is... |
| 01:11.57 | Guerin | not on a modern nic |
| 01:12.09 | catsup | CrashOverride: you've got one computer plugged into another compute?R |
| 01:12.09 | Guerin | most do crossover autoratically in this day and age |
| 01:12.14 | CrashOverride | It goes from the wall, to the modem, to the pc card, to the laptop |
| 01:12.39 | yigal | CrashOverride: do you know if the pc card works? |
| 01:12.46 | CrashOverride | yes it does |
| 01:12.47 | catsup | unplug the windows pc, and plug the debian pc in where the windows pc was, then run dhclient as instructed. |
| 01:12.49 | CrashOverride | works on windows |
| 01:12.54 | yigal | CrashOverride: you have a device when you ifconfig a like eth0 ? |
| 01:12.58 | maddash | CrashOverride: do you know what eth0 is? |
| 01:13.06 | CrashOverride | ethernet |
| 01:13.17 | yigal | :) this is just too cute |
| 01:13.22 | CrashOverride | shut up |
| 01:13.34 | yigal | CrashOverride: you will get it to work |
| 01:13.37 | yigal | don't worry |
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| 01:14.03 | Traveler | CrashOverride you are an extreme n00b |
| 01:14.09 | maddash | for once, the African word for "humanity" seems to be the right choice |
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| 01:14.22 | CrashOverride | your a noob |
| 01:14.28 | maddash | CrashOverride: can you open a terminal? |
| 01:14.32 | CrashOverride | yes |
| 01:14.36 | catsup | haha, CrashOverride is the man |
| 01:14.42 | maddash | CrashOverride: do you know your root pwd? |
| 01:14.48 | CrashOverride | yes |
| 01:14.52 | Traveler | Maddash, yes this n00b needs Ubuntu |
| 01:14.58 | catsup | Traveler: you're the n00b |
| 01:15.00 | Traveler | haha |
| 01:15.01 | CrashOverride | i can only have either the laptop or desktop on the internet, not both |
| 01:15.01 | CrashOverride | ' |
| 01:15.07 | maddash | CrashOverride: then issue the 'dhclient' cmd I showed you previously |
| 01:15.28 | CrashOverride | ok I have to unplug my desktop from the moem now brb |
| 01:15.41 | yigal | :) |
| 01:15.49 | Nemoder | time to invest in a router :) |
| 01:15.51 | Traveler | catsup I've been using Linux since 1999 |
| 01:16.03 | Ace2016 | get a router, that would help you alot |
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| 01:16.26 | jpiccolo | Traveler: have you used mdadm in any of those years? |
| 01:16.28 | Ace2016 | Traveler: which distros have you used? |
| 01:16.58 | catsup | Traveler: pft, sure you have. crashoverride says you're a noob and he knows what he's talking about |
| 01:17.12 | maddash | oh god, I hope he realizes that the terminal should be opened in debian, not windows. |
| 01:17.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | ehhehehe |
| 01:17.48 | yigal | maddash: he does know he is supposed to issue the command in a terminal? |
| 01:18.06 | Ace2016 | i tried mdadm, i just followed the ubuntu installer and it installed everything for me on the desktop, debian sid uses no raid, i'm afraid that a bug will come along and destroy my raid or corrupt my hard disk |
| 01:18.16 | Ace2016 | or leave it unbootable |
| 01:18.54 | jpiccolo | well i simulated a fail disk and now i cant recover from it |
| 01:19.01 | Traveler | Ace2016 Redhat, progeny, slackware, Debian, SuSe and messed around with FreeBSD and NetBSD. I really like NetBSD |
| 01:19.11 | jpiccolo | everyone says that i have a very odd problem |
| 01:19.35 | maddash | Traveler: the guys in Die Hard 4 were using bsd |
| 01:19.37 | catsup | incidentally, jpiccolo -- rebooting will probably solve your problem -- not that i'm recommding that |
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| 01:19.54 | Ace2016 | how do you simulate a failed disk? pull the molex out of the drive while its running? |
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| 01:20.00 | jpiccolo | catsup: no it doesnt, tried that |
| 01:20.07 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.09 | catsup | oh wow. |
| 01:20.24 | jpiccolo | Ace2016: no -f fails the disk for testing purposes |
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| 01:21.40 | jpiccolo | i have fdisk the disk, that didnt help either. /dev/sdc1 is alwasy busy |
| 01:21.57 | jpiccolo | i dont know why its busy though it not mounted and not part of the array |
| 01:22.11 | jpiccolo | and the array isnt mounted |
| 01:22.26 | maddash | jpiccolo: has anyone suggested 'lsof |grep sdc1'? |
| 01:22.40 | Ace2016 | tried rebooting? thats what i'd do, since this is a test i guess there isn't anything of value on the raid |
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| 01:22.56 | yigal | jpiccolo: have you attempted to simply unmount the disk that isn't there? |
| 01:23.01 | nitro4ce | hello i use kde. is there a way to check a password i stored in kwallet? |
| 01:23.09 | jpiccolo | maddash: that doesnt list anything |
| 01:23.09 | nitro4ce | i completely forgot it |
| 01:23.15 | Guerin | nitro4ce: ask #kde |
| 01:23.21 | jpiccolo | yigal: i have tried it says its not mounted |
| 01:23.23 | Guerin | nitro4ce: short answer: probably not |
| 01:23.38 | BlackMagik | Does anyone know how to resolve php file uploads (apache)? How do I set the umask for apache so that uploaded file doesn't have a sticky bit at the end? |
| 01:24.16 | Guerin | BlackMagik: #php or #apache |
| 01:24.17 | jpiccolo | none of the actual drives are mounted, md0 is mounted (the raid array) |
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| 01:24.54 | hikenboot | gretings all anyone know of any open source alternative to isoedit? |
| 01:25.13 | Guerin | what does it do? |
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| 01:25.44 | h3sp4wn | hikenboot: I find the easiest way to change iso's slightly is using unionfs |
| 01:26.19 | hikenboot | problem is i am trying to replace the master boot record |
| 01:26.24 | techouse | do you guys know of any application with which i could adjust the brightness of my screen? |
| 01:26.30 | jpiccolo | so does anyone know of a raid only channel? |
| 01:26.42 | maddash | techouse: if you use etch, then xbrightness |
| 01:26.47 | techouse | i have a Samsung SyncMaster 173p+ |
| 01:26.56 | techouse | which has no buttons :P |
| 01:27.09 | techouse | i have lenny/sid |
| 01:27.14 | techouse | i'll try anyway |
| 01:27.20 | maddash | techouse: it won't work.... |
| 01:27.37 | techouse | :p |
| 01:27.43 | techouse | any other way? |
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| 01:28.07 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all ..I have system with no firewall I scan it using nmap -v host this shows that all tcp ports are open...what can I do to show only the ports that actually have services runnign on them |
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| 01:28.14 | Nemoder | techouse: xgamma if nothing else :) |
| 01:28.27 | zelda` | got internet working |
| 01:28.29 | yigal | techouse: are you using nvidia driver? |
| 01:28.35 | zelda` | sup |
| 01:28.57 | Tramp | jpiccolo: after you marked the sdc1 faulty (with -f) you removed if from md0 with -r, right? |
| 01:28.58 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, well nmap -vv 127.0.0.1 does list your open ports, with some services running in |
| 01:29.08 | zelda` | so no I'm not a noob |
| 01:29.10 | techouse | yes, nvidia |
| 01:29.20 | maddash | techouse: sorry, I misspoke. xbrightness (caveat: you have to compile it) might work if you don't use fglrx |
| 01:29.33 | techouse | i use nvidia :D |
| 01:29.39 | zelda` | how do I install xchat? |
| 01:29.41 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, my prob is that nmap just shows ports 1->65000 as open |
| 01:29.49 | sysadmin-lb22 | not just the ports that have running services |
| 01:29.51 | techouse | zelda: apt-get install xchat |
| 01:29.52 | yigal | techouse: then you can use nvidia-settings |
| 01:30.02 | Traveler | zelda n00b |
| 01:30.10 | techouse | i don't have nvidia settings, i have nvidia-glx |
| 01:30.11 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, pastebin nmap -vv 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:30.22 | zelda` | kurt@debian:~$ sudo apt-get install xchatkurt is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 01:30.28 | techouse | and those 2 don't like each-other |
| 01:30.29 | zelda` | wtf? |
| 01:30.43 | zelda` | weird |
| 01:30.44 | dondelelcaro | zelda`: kurt isn't in the sudoers file. |
| 01:30.47 | techouse | pm me |
| 01:30.49 | techouse | zelda |
| 01:30.49 | maddash | zelda`: you're dead man. the fbi's coming through your door any moment |
| 01:30.56 | zelda` | that worked in ubuntu |
| 01:30.58 | karmatronic | :) |
| 01:31.00 | zelda` | wut |
| 01:31.15 | maddash | zelda`: b/c you're not in /etc/sudoers. visudo to fix your problems. |
| 01:31.27 | karmatronic | zelda`, if you left ubuntu , why do you stick to sudo... |
| 01:31.40 | dondelelcaro | karmatronic: using sudo is perfectly reasonable. |
| 01:31.45 | maddash | karmatronic: force of habit |
| 01:31.49 | yigal | techouse: have you looked at gddccontrol |
| 01:31.54 | dondelelcaro | zelda`: you just need to su to root, use visuo, and add your users to the sudoers file |
| 01:32.17 | techouse | yigal: not yet |
| 01:32.19 | karmatronic | dondelelcaro, he doesnt seem to know sudo isnt obligatory |
| 01:32.26 | zelda` | E: Couldn't find package xchat |
| 01:32.28 | zelda` | wtf |
| 01:32.28 | maddash | yigal: do you have one that doesn't use gnome? |
| 01:32.35 | techouse | add the repositories |
| 01:32.37 | techouse | :) |
| 01:32.42 | techouse | debian ain't ubuntu, you know |
| 01:32.43 | techouse | :D |
| 01:32.53 | unlink | how do i set up syntax highlighting in gedit? |
| 01:32.54 | zelda` | just how do i get xchat |
| 01:32.59 | zelda` | -.- |
| 01:33.08 | Traveler | Ubuntu is for n00bs |
| 01:33.14 | techouse | i pm-ed you |
| 01:33.19 | techouse | do as i said |
| 01:33.22 | zelda` | and whats with this iceweasel thing, what abut firefox |
| 01:33.28 | techouse | :P |
| 01:33.32 | zelda` | i didnt get a pm |
| 01:33.35 | techouse | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.41 | techouse | type |
| 01:33.41 | techouse | su |
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| 01:33.54 | techouse | nano /etc/sudoers |
| 01:33.58 | karmatronic | unlink, you re beeing lazy....edit/preferences/syntax highltighting |
| 01:34.02 | Traveler | zelda iceweasel is firefox basically |
| 01:34.04 | yigal | techouse: I just xgamma |
| 01:34.11 | zelda` | Unknown id: apt-get |
| 01:34.13 | zelda` | wtf |
| 01:34.14 | zelda` | damnit |
| 01:34.17 | techouse | go to root and type your username beneath |
| 01:34.24 | unlink | karmatronic: i don't have the syntax highlighting tab in prefrences |
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| 01:34.34 | zelda` | I'm in a terminal window as root |
| 01:34.35 | techouse | and copy the ALL shit for you |
| 01:34.37 | techouse | and save it |
| 01:34.49 | techouse | good |
| 01:34.57 | techouse | now type: nano /etc/sudoers |
| 01:34.58 | dondelelcaro | zelda`, techouse: can you all stop overusing enter, please? |
| 01:34.58 | Ace2016 | is it possible to have mirrors in debian repos? some repos get stuff faster than others it seems |
| 01:34.59 | techouse | done? |
| 01:35.10 | techouse | yeah....sry |
| 01:35.11 | techouse | :D |
| 01:35.18 | unlink | karmatronic: http://trevor.caira.com/prefs.png |
| 01:35.24 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: there are multiple mirrors; if the one you're using is slow, switch to a different one. |
| 01:35.26 | maddash | zelda`: adddd thiiiiiiiisssssss line: "kurtALL=(ALL) ALL" |
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| 01:36.35 | zelda` | ok i guess xchat isnt a package |
| 01:36.43 | Ace2016 | no i mean some have updated packages sooner than others, i've found a local mirror thats fast, but it doesn't have the very latest packages in sid, i remember installing fusion from a 3rd party repo and it needed a package not in sid, after a few days about 3/4 the mirror got it |
| 01:36.44 | zelda` | -.- |
| 01:36.45 | techouse | yigal: xgamma doesn't exist in my repos :P |
| 01:36.50 | karmatronic | unix_infidel, im running version 2.18.2 of gedit |
| 01:36.58 | karmatronic | unlink, im running version 2.18.2 of gedit |
| 01:37.01 | zelda` | im getting lag |
| 01:37.13 | Ace2016 | so i want my laggy mirror backed by a cutting edge mirror which will be totally up to date |
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| 01:37.20 | yigal | techouse: interesting, also its just for gamma level, not "brightness" persai |
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| 01:37.29 | Guerin | per se |
| 01:37.38 | zelda` | xchat isnt a package o.o |
| 01:37.45 | zelda` | wtf! |
| 01:37.47 | unlink | karmatronic: i'm using 2.20 |
| 01:37.53 | Ace2016 | oh just get konversation |
| 01:38.04 | karmatronic | unlink, running unstable ? |
| 01:38.04 | hipinger_2k | how can i run menuconfig in debian to access kernel configuration? |
| 01:38.08 | yigal | techouse: ya it looks like ddcontrol is right for you |
| 01:38.11 | hdevalence | is it possible to put different install isos onto one disc? ie if I have live cds for suse, fedora, ubuntu, and debian, is it possible to make a DVD that has a menu on boot of which CD to use? |
| 01:38.11 | zelda` | how do i get xchat >:( |
| 01:38.16 | techouse | yigal: has it got anything to do that i've got KDE? |
| 01:38.19 | Guerin | zelda`: /msg dpkg search |
| 01:38.32 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: if your mirrors are slow, check the traces on them. |
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| 01:38.34 | karmatronic | zelda`, apt-cache search xchat |
| 01:38.52 | Ace2016 | slow to update, and where are the 'traces'? |
| 01:38.55 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: the central push mirrors all are updated wiwthin hours of the central repositories being updating |
| 01:38.56 | yigal | techouse: s/gddcontrol/gddccontrol |
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| 01:39.17 | techouse | zelda: you have to add repositories or leave the DVD in |
| 01:39.27 | yigal | techouse: sorry just ddccontrol - potty fingers |
| 01:39.33 | hipinger_2k | hi, how can i access menuconfig to configure my kernel in debian? |
| 01:39.38 | zelda` | what dvd? |
| 01:39.39 | zelda` | dvd? |
| 01:39.44 | techouse | debian dvd |
| 01:39.44 | hipinger_2k | some here can help me? |
| 01:39.45 | techouse | or CD |
| 01:39.48 | Ace2016 | make menuconfig |
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| 01:39.59 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, first you need to get kernel sources |
| 01:40.00 | Ace2016 | then it shows menuconfig, you really should follow a howto |
| 01:40.01 | zelda` | forget it then |
| 01:40.08 | zelda` | I. Give. Up. |
| 01:40.13 | zelda` | >:( |
| 01:40.19 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, http://pastebin.com/m2471131c I did a -vv scan to my localhost and another to a LAN host |
| 01:40.20 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: yes, i already have then |
| 01:40.24 | karmatronic | zelda`, you shouldnt |
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| 01:40.30 | zelda` | I'm gonna download it from google |
| 01:40.40 | techouse | rofl |
| 01:40.47 | Traveler | zelda n00b |
| 01:40.48 | techouse | ain't gonna do you no good |
| 01:40.50 | karmatronic | zelda`, not the good way |
| 01:41.14 | Ace2016 | how about a treaty between #debian and #ubuntu, we let noobs ask questions here in return for getting more generic howtos in their forums? |
| 01:41.23 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: i cd /usr/scr/linux and type #make menuconfig and appear this error: scripts/basic/Makefile: not found |
| 01:41.32 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, so nmap gave you right information on your local host |
| 01:41.35 | zelda` | IM NOT A NOOB YOU ASS |
| 01:41.49 | sysadmin-lb22 | yeah but not on the remote host |
| 01:41.55 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, .. |
| 01:41.55 | techouse | yigal: ddccontrol is a gui or cmd based app? |
| 01:41.56 | Ace2016 | hipinger_2k: tried following a howto? |
| 01:42.00 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, and regarding the second host do you own it ? |
| 01:42.08 | sysadmin-lb22 | yeah |
| 01:42.09 | hipinger_2k | Ace2016: yes |
| 01:42.12 | sysadmin-lb22 | and XP box |
| 01:42.19 | dondelelcaro | Traveler: even if someone was, that's not particularly helpful. |
| 01:42.19 | hipinger_2k | Ace2016: but no results.. |
| 01:42.21 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, yeah and XP box with open firewall |
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| 01:42.33 | sysadmin-lb22 | but it only has wamp and a couple of other services running |
| 01:42.34 | hipinger_2k | Ace2016: i still cant access menuconfig |
| 01:42.59 | Ace2016 | did the kernel untar ok? |
| 01:43.05 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: why exactly are you building a kernel? |
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| 01:43.11 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, cos it could be running a honeypot |
| 01:43.11 | Ace2016 | its fun |
| 01:43.11 | hipinger_2k | Ace2016: in my /usr/src/linux/scripts/basic are missing the Makefile |
| 01:43.23 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, I am doing the scan over wiifi ..does that affect anything..it should not..I mean it is ethernet right ? |
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| 01:43.39 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, nmap -P0 -vv -sSO your_host ? |
| 01:43.46 | yigal | techouse: use apt-cache and tell me? |
| 01:43.47 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: i need the realtek 8139D drivers |
| 01:43.48 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, no i am 100% sure no honeypots running I have a third pic that yields the same results |
| 01:44.07 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, you mean my localhost |
| 01:44.11 | sysadmin-lb22 | or the host in question ? |
| 01:44.22 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: i need to enable the module in menuconfig |
| 01:44.24 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, the host in question |
| 01:44.25 | Traveler | zelda you probably have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list. You are too a n00b you are coming from a n00b distro like Ubuntu |
| 01:44.35 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: but i cant access menuconfig |
| 01:44.37 | karmatronic | tralala, :) |
| 01:44.50 | techouse | yigal: ok...i already found out that ddccontrol is a commandline based app |
| 01:44.51 | techouse | :P |
| 01:45.00 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, Sorry, the IPProtoscan, Listscan, and Pingscan (-sO, -sL, -sP) must currently be used alone rather than combined with other scan types. |
| 01:45.12 | sysadmin-lb22 | which one should I choose ? |
| 01:45.24 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, -sO |
| 01:45.39 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: the Debian kernels almost certainly have that module built. The 8139cp or 8139too module should support it. |
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| 01:45.56 | zelda` | someone just tell me how to get xchat -.- |
| 01:46.00 | Ace2016 | ok this howto looks really really good http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 01:46.09 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, you miss libncurses5-dev if i remeber well |
| 01:46.12 | Ace2016 | i never new there even was an src group |
| 01:46.15 | Traveler | zelda after you edit that file you have to run apt-get update |
| 01:46.22 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, it showed only two open ports this time icmp and upd |
| 01:46.25 | sysadmin-lb22 | PROTOCOL STATE SERVICE |
| 01:46.25 | sysadmin-lb22 | 1 open icmp |
| 01:46.25 | sysadmin-lb22 | 17 open udp |
| 01:46.31 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: not... only module that support is a version experimental of sc |
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| 01:46.44 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: i has installed this in some minutes before and the problem continue |
| 01:46.47 | hipinger_2k | :( |
| 01:46.52 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: so get that particular module and compile just it against whatever kernel you're running. |
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| 01:47.03 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: you don't need to recompile the entire kernel to build a specific third party module. |
| 01:47.07 | YggSHack | hello what is the replacment for bunzip ? |
| 01:47.10 | YggSHack | tar somethin i assume |
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| 01:47.31 | dondelelcaro | YggSHack: tar -j? Not sure exactly what you're looking for. |
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| 01:47.47 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, nmap -P0 -vv -p 445 your_XP_bloody_host |
| 01:47.51 | YggSHack | just i use to say buznip |
| 01:47.54 | YggSHack | bunzip |
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| 01:47.57 | YggSHack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.58 | sysadmin-lb22 | YggSHack, tar -j or tar -i |
| 01:48.03 | dondelelcaro | YggSHack: bzip -d |
| 01:48.06 | dondelelcaro | YggSHack: man bzip |
| 01:48.06 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: yes, but i need to ajust some settings in the kernel |
| 01:48.08 | YggSHack | ahh bzip |
| 01:48.09 | YggSHack | haha |
| 01:48.10 | dondelelcaro | err, bzip2 -d |
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| 01:48.20 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: like what? |
| 01:48.32 | zelda` | someone just tell me how to get xchat -.- |
| 01:48.33 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, what happens when you run make menuconfig ? |
| 01:48.39 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 01:48.41 | sysadmin-lb22 | 445/tcp open microsoft-ds |
| 01:48.45 | limaunion | hi, a couple of days ago I installed lenny and configured an external repository for compiz. The problem is that now 'apt-get upgrade' is saying that it will uninstall the compiz packages, why ? i'm not telling apt to uninstall it... |
| 01:48.46 | Ace2016 | zelda`:kde or gnome? |
| 01:48.49 | dondelelcaro | zelda`: fix your sources.list, aptitude update; and aptitude install xchat; |
| 01:49.10 | hdevalence | Traveler: speaking of people coming from *ubuntu, do you have any advice for someone who is thinking about switching to debian in order to learn more? |
| 01:49.10 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7/scripts/basic/Makefile: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado (its mean: file not found) |
| 01:49.13 | Ace2016 | install synaptic, then search for what you want, it'll be easier in the future |
| 01:49.25 | Ace2016 | thats an old kernel |
| 01:49.35 | Ace2016 | did you get it from kernel.org? |
| 01:49.44 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: the version of my kernel is correctly |
| 01:49.47 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: uh... you'll notice that you're trying to run mkae menuconfig in a linux-headers directory, not a kernel package. |
| 01:49.58 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: you want a linux-source package, not the linux-headers package. |
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| 01:50.15 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: and how can i download this? |
| 01:50.16 | dondelelcaro | (and if that wasn't immediately obvious, best of luck building your kernel) |
| 01:50.17 | karmatronic | you didnt actually got the kernel sources , not only the headers.... |
| 01:50.27 | Traveler | zelda I bet you don't even know how to use VI or Emacs |
| 01:50.31 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: with apt-get, of course. |
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| 01:50.46 | dondelelcaro | Traveler: if you want to cast aspersions on others, do it elsewhere. |
| 01:50.48 | maddash | was that Traveler? |
| 01:50.48 | karmatronic | Traveler, does that make him automatically a noob ? |
| 01:50.49 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: i have the sources in /usr/src/linux |
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| 01:50.55 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: its all there |
| 01:51.12 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: well, you're not trying to run make menuconfig in a directory which actually contains them. |
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| 01:51.28 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, did you conclude anything from my reply ? thx for the help so far |
| 01:51.29 | dondelelcaro | hipinger_2k: so whether they're there or not, you're not using them. |
| 01:51.30 | sysadmin-lb22 | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 01:51.30 | sysadmin-lb22 | 445/tcp open microsoft-ds |
| 01:51.37 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, you should un make menuconfig in /usr/src/linux |
| 01:51.49 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, yeah it s correct |
| 01:51.55 | techouse | yigal: ddccontrol doesn't wokr for me |
| 01:51.55 | techouse | :PO |
| 01:52.07 | sysadmin-lb22 | so why is it returning all ports |
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| 01:52.13 | Ace2016 | who needs to use vi or emacs when you have kate and kwrite :D any config i mess up can be edited with nano |
| 01:52.14 | hipinger_2k | dondelelcaro: and what i do to use then with menuconfig? |
| 01:52.17 | sysadmin-lb22 | even those that have no services running on them |
| 01:52.38 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: yes, i know, i're running in i /usr/src/linux |
| 01:52.41 | sysadmin-lb22 | karmatronic, when using -vv that is |
| 01:52.53 | karmatronic | sysadmin-lb22, yeah that s weird , i agree |
| 01:53.17 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: the error is: make: ** [scripts_basic] Error 2 |
| 01:53.21 | sysadmin-lb22 | I just downloaded and installed the latest nmap |
| 01:53.30 | sysadmin-lb22 | same result as before |
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| 01:55.01 | maddash | wow |
| 01:55.11 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: Could you try a full-connecton scan on the low ports (nmap -vv -P0 -sT -p 1-1024 <IP>) ? |
| 01:55.16 | maddash | I haven't 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade' in over a month now |
| 01:55.22 | maddash | rehab is really working |
| 01:55.42 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, do you get an error when running make xconfig ? |
| 01:56.02 | multi_io | what DHCP server and client package would you use for a small home network (3 desktops + occasionally a laptop)? |
| 01:56.06 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, cos it looks like a curse (interface) pb |
| 01:56.30 | maddash | multi_io: dhcp3-server |
| 01:57.19 | jpiccolo | Tramp: yes from before i removed it from md0 with the -r |
| 01:57.35 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: yes, when i try run make xconfig the same error appear |
| 01:57.56 | maddash | hipinger_2k: paste the rest of the output |
| 01:58.01 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, sure I will do so and report results |
| 01:58.28 | hipinger_2k | maddash: where? |
| 01:58.33 | hipinger_2k | maddash: here ? |
| 01:58.39 | maddash | hipinger_2k: hell no. pastebin.ca |
| 01:58.40 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: Is this host directly connected or is there a network-device inbetween? |
| 01:59.03 | sysadmin-lb22 | there is a nat device in between a linksys wireless router |
| 01:59.19 | hipinger_2k | maddash: ok.. |
| 01:59.23 | sysadmin-lb22 | it is connected to the wan port of the wireless router |
| 01:59.31 | sysadmin-lb22 | and is on another subnet |
| 01:59.44 | sysadmin-lb22 | and mylaptop is on the wirless network |
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| 01:59.58 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, the scan you requested showed all ports as open |
| 02:00.03 | hipinger_2k | maddash: http://pastebin.ca/827872 |
| 02:00.17 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, same problem with make config ? |
| 02:00.29 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: yes.. see here man: http://pastebin.ca/827872 |
| 02:00.53 | jpiccolo | wow the forums are really slow |
| 02:01.01 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: i put the error with menuconfig and xconfig |
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| 02:01.46 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: what happens, if you scan 1 I |
| 02:01.50 | multi_io | maddash: Ok. Do you know udhcpd? Maybe that' |
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| 02:01.55 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, if I scan the linksys device it returns only port 80 |
| 02:01.57 | multi_io | s easier for small networks? |
| 02:02.06 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: 1 IP higher or lower, provided this IP does /not/ exist |
| 02:02.08 | Ace2016 | dondelelcaro: who did you unban? |
| 02:02.24 | gg | ok so now renaming my home dir is bad and all, how would I go about fixing it? |
| 02:02.37 | Ace2016 | unrename it? |
| 02:02.41 | Ronin | Ace2016: traveler |
| 02:02.50 | gg | i cant log in but Ace2016 |
| 02:02.59 | Ace2016 | do it as root? |
| 02:03.16 | gg | cant login as root |
| 02:03.19 | maddash | hipinger_2k: portugese? |
| 02:03.20 | hipinger_2k | maddash: did you see? |
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| 02:03.27 | hipinger_2k | maddash: yes |
| 02:03.37 | multi_io | hipinger_2k: use export LANG=C |
| 02:03.43 | Ronin | gg: why cant you log on as root? |
| 02:03.47 | multi_io | (before running your commands) |
| 02:03.49 | gg | because debian wont let me |
| 02:03.51 | hipinger_2k | ok |
| 02:03.52 | maddash | hipinger_2k: en espanol, no se dice 'ou' |
| 02:03.52 | hipinger_2k | tanks |
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| 02:03.56 | hipinger_2k | wait |
| 02:03.58 | Ronin | you cant in x but you can drop to cmd line and log in as root |
| 02:04.03 | gg | oh really |
| 02:04.03 | hipinger_2k | maddash: heheheh |
| 02:04.03 | Ace2016 | well on my ubuntu machine it sometimes doesn't mount /home on the raid, but i can still login to a tty |
| 02:04.04 | Tramp | jpiccolo: hmm - well. Then add me to the club of people who tell you that your problem is weird. |
| 02:04.13 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, WTF it returned all ports as open and the host as up |
| 02:04.18 | hdevalence | how do you search for a package from the commandline looking only for those which are installed |
| 02:04.27 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, although the host in question does not exit !!! |
| 02:04.30 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: Then this is some weird behaviour of the router |
| 02:04.52 | sysadmin-lb22 | damn beast |
| 02:04.52 | jpiccolo | Tramp: haha cool, well not really |
| 02:04.58 | gg | Ronin: ok so i get this grub> prompt thing |
| 02:05.15 | maddash | hipinger_2k: er, 'ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7/scripts/basic/' |
| 02:05.29 | Ronin | gg: so log on as root and fix what you done did heh |
| 02:05.48 | maddash | hipinger_2k: holy shit |
| 02:05.51 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, thanks for the help..I will just plug the network cable into a switch port and use the wireless router as a wireless access point with no routing facilities and see what happens |
| 02:05.55 | maddash | hipinger_2k: you're trying to compile a kernel, right? |
| 02:05.59 | gg | Ronin: yeah i am not sure what I am meant to do on that prompt though sorry |
| 02:06.05 | maddash | hipinger_2k: why are you in linux-headers-*? |
| 02:06.06 | hipinger_2k | maddash: see again, its now in EN-US http://pastebin.ca/827876 |
| 02:06.07 | hipinger_2k | multi_io: thanks, see again: http://pastebin.ca/827876 |
| 02:06.19 | Ace2016 | how do i scan for wireless networks on linux? my router is setup and working |
| 02:06.35 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, do you have linux-source package ? |
| 02:06.39 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: out of curiosity: which linksys-router is that? |
| 02:06.42 | maddash | hipinger_2k: your link is fubar |
| 02:06.46 | alvarezp | Ace2016, iwlist ethX scan |
| 02:06.53 | maddash | hipinger_2k: /usr/src/linux points to linux-headers |
| 02:06.58 | sysadmin-lb22 | range booster |
| 02:07.02 | maddash | hipinger_2k: fail. |
| 02:07.05 | sysadmin-lb22 | let me get the exact ID |
| 02:07.06 | Ace2016 | no gui app |
| 02:07.08 | Ace2016 | ? |
| 02:07.18 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, and ls -l /usr/src ? |
| 02:07.22 | Tramp | sysadmin-lb22: does this box have firewalling functionalities? |
| 02:07.46 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: yes i have the source |
| 02:07.49 | Ace2016 | no scan results :( |
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| 02:08.00 | maddash | hipinger_2k: re-execute make menuconfig inside linux-source-* |
| 02:08.03 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, wrt54GS |
| 02:08.05 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, so you re sure you re on top of your sources ? |
| 02:08.10 | sysadmin-lb22 | Tramp, you mean the linksys device no |
| 02:08.14 | maddash | karmatronic: he obviously isn't. look at the output. |
| 02:08.28 | maddash | karmatronic: b/c he fubared his symlink. |
| 02:08.40 | jpiccolo | Tramp: do you know why mdadm -E /dev/sdc1 would show /dev/sdc1 as being active and insync |
| 02:08.41 | karmatronic | maddash, weel he s at /usr/src/linux which might be whatever link .... |
| 02:08.48 | hipinger_2k | maddash: ok.. so, what i do??? i dont understant much... im brazilian... :P |
| 02:08.51 | maddash | karmatronic: look at the output. |
| 02:09.12 | maddash | hipinger_2k: 'cd /usr/src/linux-source-* && make menuconfig' |
| 02:09.15 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, bondia |
| 02:09.21 | hipinger_2k | maddash: ok |
| 02:09.28 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: its Bom dia... heheheh |
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| 02:09.41 | maddash | hipinger_2k: oh, btw -- 'hardrm /usr/src/linux' |
| 02:09.48 | karmatronic | karmatronic, french living in spain :) |
| 02:09.49 | maddash | s/hardrm/rm/g |
| 02:10.19 | Tramp | jpiccolo: well, it prints the static information in the superblock. I would expect this status to be cleared when a faulty device is removed from the array. Thus my question. |
| 02:10.26 | hipinger_2k | maddash: i have here only linux-headers ... is this? |
| 02:10.44 | hipinger_2k | maddash: linux-headers and not linux-source.. its right? |
| 02:10.50 | maddash | hipinger_2k: source != headers. 'aptitude install linux-source-2.6.17-k7' |
| 02:11.03 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, so you must download kernel sources ... |
| 02:11.07 | maddash | hipinger_2k: are you trying to compile a kernel? |
| 02:11.20 | jpiccolo | Tramp: mdadm --detail /dev/md0 shows /dev/sdc1 as being removed |
| 02:11.36 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, why do you try to compile your kernel ? |
| 02:11.36 | hipinger_2k | maddash: i want to access the menuconfig |
| 02:11.49 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, why ? |
| 02:11.49 | maddash | hipinger_2k: ...because? |
| 02:12.08 | hipinger_2k | maddash: i need only access the menuconfig to make an ajustments... |
| 02:12.19 | hipinger_2k | maddash: if your understand-me |
| 02:12.50 | gg | Ronin: so |
| 02:13.08 | hipinger_2k | maddash: and my headers is: 2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 02:13.36 | karmatronic | hipinger_2k, what kind of adjustments ? |
| 02:13.57 | hipinger_2k | maddash: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 02:14.03 | gg | how would I use grub to get back my home directory ? it looks like it has a different home folder, there was nothing in it |
| 02:14.15 | hipinger_2k | maddash: give me an error: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-source-2.6.18-5-k7" |
| 02:14.25 | maddash | hipinger_2k: geez. look, as root: 'aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 && cd /usr/src && tar xjf *.tar.bz2 && cd linux-source-* && make menuconfig' |
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| 02:15.19 | multi_io | maddash: that package doesn't exist |
| 02:15.27 | multi_io | (obviously) |
| 02:15.34 | hipinger_2k | maddash: ohhh no.. its 40mb and i am at 56k :( |
| 02:15.36 | gg | it cannot find xterm :x |
| 02:15.46 | maddash | multi_io: I was too lazy to paste in the exact name. |
| 02:15.52 | hipinger_2k | maddash: but, thanks... now are downloading the kernel-source :D |
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| 02:17.17 | multi_io | hipinger_2k: the source for 2.6.18 isn't on the debian servers anymore, as far as I can see |
| 02:17.31 | multi_io | use maybe 2.6.22 instead |
| 02:17.41 | multi_io | i.e. aptitude install linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 02:18.06 | hipinger_2k | thanks for all... tomorrow i back :D |
| 02:18.08 | telexicon | i couldnt use linux without broadband |
| 02:18.09 | hipinger_2k | karmatronic: thanks |
| 02:18.13 | hipinger_2k | multi_io: thanks |
| 02:18.22 | multi_io | np :-P |
| 02:18.25 | hipinger_2k | maddash: and thanks for you too :D |
| 02:18.28 | hipinger_2k | see ya |
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| 02:19.02 | maddash | multi_io: not in lenny, perhaps in etch. |
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| 02:23.43 | y | How can I make it so when an FTP user logs in, root looks like their home directory? |
| 02:24.08 | y | I went through a few FAQs and got them chrooted but it only changes their directory, they can still browse global |
| 02:24.22 | multi_io | maddash: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 02:24.23 | multi_io | ? |
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| 02:25.30 | man_in_shack | i'm wondering, is it possible to create a single package of a 32bit app that can be installed in i386 and amd64 versions of debian? |
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| 02:26.12 | Caelum | yeah, I've seen it done |
| 02:26.19 | pablo | hi, is there any command to purge packages removed? |
| 02:26.33 | man_in_shack | Caelum, do you know what's needed to do it? :) |
| 02:26.55 | limaunion | y: just put chroot_local_user=YES in your vsftpd conf file |
| 02:27.21 | Caelum | pablo: dpkg -l | grep '^r' | awk '{print $2}' | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 02:28.25 | pablo | Caelum: ok, thanks |
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| 02:28.36 | dhe | does someone now how to tell awk that it should print anything then $1 ? |
| 02:28.40 | Caelum | man_in_shack: err actually... the package itself has to have an architecture in the control file, although you can generate a package with an amd64 arch that consists of 32 bit binaries |
| 02:28.57 | man_in_shack | hmm ok |
| 02:29.12 | man_in_shack | can't install an i386 package on amd64 then? |
| 02:29.14 | y | limuanion it still shows /var/www/bllah blah blah/ftp |
| 02:29.21 | y | limaunion ^ |
| 02:29.22 | Caelum | man_in_shack: easily, just --force-architecture |
| 02:29.32 | man_in_shack | heh ok, don't really want to do that :) |
| 02:29.39 | y | oh shoot. I forgot to reload |
| 02:29.56 | man_in_shack | Caelum, so with amd64 debian, are 32bit libs still stored in /usr/lib? |
| 02:29.59 | man_in_shack | and /lib |
| 02:30.24 | Caelum | man_in_shack: they are stored in /emul/ia32-linux/lib |
| 02:30.37 | man_in_shack | hmm ok |
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| 02:30.49 | Caelum | man_in_shack: at least, that's where they are supposed to go |
| 02:31.13 | man_in_shack | so ... how would i build a 32bit application for amd64 debian? |
| 02:31.26 | man_in_shack | s/application/package/g |
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| 02:31.57 | bucky | man_in_shack, which application? |
| 02:32.02 | man_in_shack | bucky, wine |
| 02:32.06 | Caelum | man_in_shack: make sure the architecture is correct in the control file, and depend on ia32-libs |
| 02:32.15 | man_in_shack | Caelum, is that it? |
| 02:32.32 | Caelum | man_in_shack: there are already wine packages for amd64 though |
| 02:32.52 | man_in_shack | sure, but the winehq guys don't like debian's package policies |
| 02:33.08 | Yanomami | how can i configure my wireless network on laptop WPA Personal TKIP |
| 02:33.29 | man_in_shack | in particular, they don't like the wine/libwine/wine-utils split |
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| 02:34.57 | Caelum | man_in_shack: there's #debian-amd64 and I think there's a channel for debian developers somewhere too... you might get more complete information there |
| 02:35.10 | bucky | man_in_shack, http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c6d55929038c6d0f481bd9342fc8edadd0412671 |
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| 02:37.28 | bucky | man_in_shack, there are amd64 debs for wine in lenny |
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| 02:39.24 | man_in_shack | sure |
| 02:39.39 | man_in_shack | but i'm trying to replace the current package maintainer that winehq has |
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| 02:40.32 | man_in_shack | cos he's an ubuntu nut and hardly ever produces packages for debian |
| 02:40.51 | pipeline | he's also kind of a knucklehead |
| 02:41.02 | pipeline | I have always preferred the debian package maintainer's output |
| 02:41.21 | bucky | Well I vana toilet made out of solid gold, but it's just not in the cards now is it? |
| 02:41.49 | man_in_shack | that's a stupid thing to want :P |
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| 02:42.34 | bucky | me and Austin Powers wants it |
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| 02:45.52 | gg | where are the user home folders stored? |
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| 02:46.56 | gg | I went in as console but theres like nothing in that root home folder |
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| 02:47.07 | gg | how do i get to the user home folders so i can rename it |
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| 02:49.14 | jpiccolo | what package would i need for SDL 1.2.7 or higher |
| 02:49.22 | gg | I renamed the home folder of the only user, cannot login as root because deb wont let me, cannot go recovery console because it says it cannot find xterm, I go console mode in grub, but I dont know where the user home folders are stored. What should I do? |
| 02:49.38 | bucky | gg try /home/gg or whatever your user is called or better yet log in as your user and you'll be there... do a pwd if you're lost |
| 02:50.02 | gg | there is no /home |
| 02:50.09 | gg | do I need to mount it? |
| 02:50.22 | jpiccolo | gg: try booting a live cd, and mount the hard drive |
| 02:50.46 | gg | is there no way to do it from the console? |
| 02:51.12 | jpiccolo | i dont know, i just think that would be the easiest way |
| 02:51.49 | gg | Would be good if i new how to fix it in console though :-\ |
| 02:52.08 | jpiccolo | you just need to rename the home dir? |
| 02:52.24 | gg | well yeah but i cant find it |
| 02:52.27 | gg | theres no /home |
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| 02:52.32 | gg | just /root/home which is different |
| 02:52.33 | nadio | init_udevd_socket?? anyone got a clue where this is realated to? |
| 02:52.49 | jpiccolo | is your /home on a different partition? |
| 02:53.23 | hdevalence | what KDE version does sid use? |
| 02:53.33 | gg | possibly i just did the default partition is there a command I can use to check? |
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| 02:54.45 | Tramp | gg: grep home /etc/fstab |
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| 02:55.36 | Ace2016 | bye all |
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| 02:55.58 | Cusoon959 | I can't find pidgin... what repo do I have to use to install it? |
| 02:56.05 | gg | oh yeah thats right tramp thanks, im going to rescue mode to see what happens |
| 02:56.47 | Tramp | gg: you can also do Ctrl-Alt-F1 to go to a console and log in as root there |
| 02:56.48 | gg | I remember somebody telling to never do this |
| 02:56.57 | gg | when do i do ctrl alt f1? |
| 02:57.14 | Tramp | gg: after you have booted and see the "graphical login" where you cannot login as root. |
| 02:57.33 | gg | ok cool |
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| 02:58.11 | Tramp | gg: there you can login as root. Probably you have to fix your /etc/passwd if you just renamed the home-directory. |
| 02:58.19 | maddash | starcraft! |
| 02:58.29 | Cusoon959 | I can't find pidgin... what repo do I have to use to install it? |
| 02:59.00 | Tramp | gg: So the problem most likely is not, that anything is not mounted but that you inconsistently changed something |
| 02:59.08 | Cusoon959 | nvm, found it ;) |
| 03:00.22 | Tramp | gg: do a "man usermod" and search for home |
| 03:00.46 | gg | hmm |
| 03:02.17 | jpiccolo | Tramp: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=22399 |
| 03:02.24 | jpiccolo | incase you can think of anything |
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| 03:04.06 | gg | Tramp: ctrl-alt-f1 worked great! wish somebody told me that last night :-\ |
| 03:05.13 | gg | another question though how would I go about renameing my home directory? |
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| 03:05.26 | multi_io | what would/do you use for a simple delegating/proxying DNS server in a small home network? |
| 03:05.39 | multi_io | pdnsd? |
| 03:05.48 | Nemoder | I use dnsmasq |
| 03:06.33 | multi_io | hm ok |
| 03:06.49 | Tramp | gg: first change the /etc/passwd, then rename (mv) the directory, then test. But there may be more references to your homedir. |
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| 03:07.17 | multi_io | Nemoder: do you use dnsmasq's DHCP server too? |
| 03:07.24 | Nemoder | yeah |
| 03:07.54 | Nemoder | makes it easier to map computer names to ips throughout the network |
| 03:13.37 | gg | ah /etc/passwd :-} so theres where it went wrong |
| 03:15.59 | gg | if I move a massive folder, it should be fast right? |
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| 03:16.34 | Tramp | gg: only if it's within the same filesystem |
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| 03:18.06 | gg | ok so if its a few gigs its instant nearly right? |
| 03:18.29 | Tramp | gg: on the same filesystem - yes |
| 03:18.48 | gg | ok thanks just making sure before I waste my time |
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| 03:20.12 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how to install an rpm with apt ? |
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| 03:25.58 | deprecatd | rocketmagnet: `alien` i believe... never used it though. http://www.howtoforge.com/converting_rpm_to_deb_with_alien |
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| 03:29.03 | gg | ok so i renamed the username in /etc/passwd, but now i cant login with that user |
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| 03:30.22 | kaper | gg, try to change password with #passwd new_username |
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| 03:31.07 | gg | I keep getting "passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." |
| 03:31.28 | linux_jones | is there a way to make everything smaller, texts and windows and whatnot, without increasing the resalution? |
| 03:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | gg: the same username must also be in /etc/shadow |
| 03:32.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | one more reason to leave things like that to the programs made to maniuplate passwords :) |
| 03:32.28 | gg | ah I see |
| 03:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_jones: I don't think so - I guess you could reduce fontsize |
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| 03:33.43 | linux_jones | so would a new monitor give me new resalutions? i just got a new monitor and its alot bigger than my old one, and i dont like that anyone in the room can see what im doing |
| 03:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux_jones: you can also have a different look for your windows-manager, different themes for your programs etc. but there is no way to do that in one go |
| 03:34.16 | gg | whats the command to load up the gui? |
| 03:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | gg you mean to get a graphical login? |
| 03:34.42 | gg | yeah |
| 03:34.52 | gg | oh dw |
| 03:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.04 | rocketmagnet | is there a way i can check if an process is hanging ? |
| 03:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | or gdm start |
| 03:35.09 | gg | i just did ctrl alt f7 |
| 03:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | or whatever you have as a login program |
| 03:35.18 | gg | well thats always handy too heh thanks |
| 03:35.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | rocketmagnet: you can look if it's using up 100% CPU with top |
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| 03:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | rocketmagnet: else... define "hanging" :) it's hanging if it doesnt react anymore, isn't it? |
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| 03:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | by that definition, you would check for it by producing input for the program :) |
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| 03:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he left |
| 03:38.11 | gg | ok nice nice I wish somebody told me all this last night instead of letting me fiddle with it for so many hours |
| 03:38.15 | zelda` | i cant mount the windows partition from debian, lolwtf http://pastebin.org/12467 |
| 03:38.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | gg: that would have been stupid - only now you really appreciate it ;) |
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| 03:39.35 | zelda` | i cant mount the windows partition from debian, lolwtf http://pastebin.org/12467 |
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| 03:40.13 | zelda` | wtf can anyone help me |
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| 03:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps that mysterious wtf that you keep referring to |
| 03:41.03 | gg | 1 step further to becoming linux master :-d |
| 03:41.09 | gg | I mean closer lol |
| 03:41.20 | zelda` | ut |
| 03:41.24 | zelda` | * wut |
| 03:41.29 | zelda` | bbl |
| 03:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wut |
| 03:41.36 | dpkg | methinks wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 03:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 03:41.46 | zelda` | that bot sucks balls |
| 03:41.55 | atperez | lol |
| 03:41.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | zelda`: use normal mount instead of pmount |
| 03:42.01 | zelda` | I made this awesome script for a movie for youtube |
| 03:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 03:42.01 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 03:42.15 | gg | !hehe |
| 03:42.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | gg: nice! |
| 03:42.42 | zelda` | And i just double lcicked the windows thing from the window places - computer |
| 03:42.58 | zelda` | * clicked |
| 03:42.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | double-licked? |
| 03:43.04 | zelda` | click |
| 03:43.31 | zelda` | bbl |
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| 03:43.39 | zelda` | GH3 sunday XD |
| 03:43.40 | Claudio32m | i'm running debian on a NAS with an ARM cpu... I can't see to get color prompts in the bash shell, i ftp'ed .bashrc and .bash_profile to my user home dir , any ideas? |
| 03:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, and that message was in the xconsole? |
| 03:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: is that defined in your personal .bashrc? |
| 03:44.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | try manually... |
| 03:45.02 | Claudio32m | CutMeOwnThroat the .bashrc in my /home/userid |
| 03:45.09 | Claudio32m | i used the same from my other debian boxes |
| 03:45.11 | Claudio32m | they have color |
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| 03:45.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | try ls --color=always |
| 03:45.37 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 03:45.57 | Claudio32m | i got color for the ls |
| 03:46.00 | Claudio32m | but gone after |
| 03:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, |
| 03:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have that on "type ls" |
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| 03:46.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls is aliased to `ls $LS_OPTIONS' |
| 03:46.42 | Claudio32m | i need to put that argument |
| 03:46.50 | Claudio32m | allright thanks |
| 03:46.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and $LS_OPTIONS should contain --color=auto |
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| 03:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: better use --color=auto, that switches colors off for pipes |
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| 03:47.19 | sgillesp1e | hello |
| 03:47.32 | Claudio32m | its on auto now |
| 03:47.33 | sgillesp1e | how do i install a debian package from a file? |
| 03:47.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: what does "type ls" say? |
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| 03:47.37 | Claudio32m | and i dont get colors |
| 03:47.55 | Claudio32m | cizzi@nas:~$ type ls |
| 03:47.55 | Claudio32m | ls is hashed (/bin/ls) |
| 03:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | sgillesp1e: dpkg -i packet.deb |
| 03:48.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sgillesp1e: but dpkg will not take care of the dependencies |
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| 03:48.27 | sgillesp1e | sweet thanks |
| 03:48.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: put alias ls="ls --color=auto" in your .bashrc or in /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 03:52.09 | Claudio32m | CutMeOwnThroat - still no go.. i simply put it at the end of both files, is its location important in the file? |
| 03:52.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: it will only work for newly started bash of course |
| 03:52.36 | Claudio32m | right |
| 03:52.39 | Claudio32m | i logged off putty |
| 03:52.42 | Claudio32m | and came back in |
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| 03:52.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: our you can do ". .bashrc" |
| 03:53.11 | Claudio32m | i'm running a different kernel |
| 03:53.15 | Claudio32m | i'm thinking its cause of that |
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| 03:53.23 | Claudio32m | Linux nas 2.6.18-5-ixp4xx #1 Wed Dec 19 20:00:37 UTC 2007 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 03:53.23 | Tramp | jpiccolo: In the post you didn't mention that you actually ran mdadm -r. However, you could try to manually wipe the superblock (--zero-superblock) and retry. |
| 03:53.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: obviously not... the kernel has nothing to do with it |
| 03:53.35 | Claudio32m | allright |
| 03:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: do . .bashrc or run the alias command directly... |
| 03:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | if there's a mistake in it, you'd get an error |
| 03:54.07 | liable | why, when I give iptables a rules, would it not show in iptables -L ? |
| 03:54.23 | Claudio32m | -sh: `_debconf-show': not a valid identifier |
| 03:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable: because you had a typo and it wasnt accepted :) |
| 03:54.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: weird |
| 03:54.43 | Tramp | liable: only for the filter table |
| 03:54.56 | liable | CutMeOwnThroat: iptables doesnt complain |
| 03:55.06 | Claudio32m | oh wait |
| 03:55.08 | Tramp | liable: otherwise specify the table with -t |
| 03:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: I think you might have some invalid command in your .bashrc... which prevents execution of the rest of .bashrc (?!) |
| 03:55.48 | Claudio32m | CutMeOwnThroat - after i ran . .bashrc i got the error msg but then the color promt appears and it stays |
| 03:55.53 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 03:55.55 | Claudio32m | makes sense |
| 03:55.59 | liable | Tramp: ah, danke |
| 03:56.07 | Tramp | bitte |
| 03:56.10 | Claudio32m | maybe when i ftped |
| 03:56.12 | Claudio32m | ftp'ed |
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| 03:56.20 | Claudio32m | it didnt put it in ascii mode |
| 03:56.22 | Claudio32m | i dont know |
| 03:57.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: no idea... run the alias commannd directly from the shell anyways... |
| 03:57.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | then this shell should have color-ls from then on |
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| 04:00.21 | readon | how could i redirect the serial input from ttyS0 to tty0? |
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| 04:01.49 | cryptnix | omgwtflmao |
| 04:02.03 | cryptnix | Hi |
| 04:03.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | readon: why on earth would you want to do that? |
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| 04:05.57 | readon | i have logon to my box with serial line. the box is running some app using directfb witch can only get the input from tty0 or some other device like keyboard. |
| 04:06.22 | readon | :s/witch/which/ |
| 04:06.26 | eqwweq | # |
| 04:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:07.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really sure about that setup |
| 04:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look at setserial? |
| 04:07.37 | readon | i think may be redirect would help. |
| 04:07.43 | readon | setserial? |
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| 04:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure... that was my 1st reflex |
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| 04:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... tty0 is a terminal |
| 04:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ttyS0 is the serial device |
| 04:08.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a serial device in any case |
| 04:09.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how those could go together... |
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| 04:09.37 | readon | generally speaking, i want to make the input of serial line become the standard input of tty0. |
| 04:09.56 | readon | but it is standard input of ttyS0 now. |
| 04:10.08 | Claudio32m | i deleted .bashrc and .bash_profile and put just alias="ls --color=auto" in a new .bashrc, when i login it doesnt give me color |
| 04:10.15 | Claudio32m | so its not executing it |
| 04:10.32 | Claudio32m | which shell is "sh"? |
| 04:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: run the alias on the shell directly to see if it give you errors |
| 04:10.46 | Claudio32m | no errors |
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| 04:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: does it work, then_ |
| 04:10.57 | Claudio32m | yes |
| 04:10.59 | Claudio32m | but not when i login |
| 04:11.02 | Claudio32m | i have to type it everytime |
| 04:11.11 | Claudio32m | is bash = sh ? |
| 04:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | readon: hm, it's a long time ago since I had given serial lines any thought |
| 04:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | readon: I think you need a terminal program? |
| 04:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | Claudio32m: on debian normally yes... |
| 04:11.48 | Claudio32m | my other systems use bash |
| 04:11.52 | Claudio32m | i just checked |
| 04:11.53 | Claudio32m | let me try that |
| 04:11.59 | Tramp | Claudio32m: additionally add a .bash_login and source your .bashrc from it |
| 04:12.16 | Tramp | Claudio32m: .bashrc is only read for interactive non-login shells |
| 04:12.33 | Tramp | Claudio32m: but not for login-shells |
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| 04:13.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh? |
| 04:13.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't know that |
| 04:13.58 | Tramp | Claudio32m: and if bash is invoked as "sh" it reads none of them but the standart Bourne-shell startup files |
| 04:14.05 | Claudio32m | fixed it, i changed /etc/passwd to call /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh and it works without modifications |
| 04:14.06 | Claudio32m | thanks |
| 04:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's stupid, but it explains a lot of unexpected things I've seen with bashrc :) |
| 04:14.38 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: bash initialization is ... well, not exactly easy to understand. |
| 04:14.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
| 04:14.39 | Claudio32m | i was worried it was related to the ARM cpu |
| 04:14.46 | Claudio32m | but turns out its nothing to do with it |
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| 04:15.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that makes sense... bash called as "sh" would of course not source .bashrc |
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| 04:16.34 | linux_jones | what command do i use to reconfigure x? |
| 04:16.50 | Tramp | !drx |
| 04:16.50 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 04:17.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's a nice one |
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| 04:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: well, but seems you were not right - it worked for bash, only not for "sh" aliased bash |
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| 04:19.27 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, then whatever he used to login didn't spawn a login shell - I have actually no idea what he used |
| 04:20.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: putty |
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| 04:23.02 | Palish | Hello. If you have a moment, I'd appreciate it anyone would glance over this error: http://rafb.net/p/BeRBMw53.html |
| 04:23.18 | Palish | Basically, "sudo apt-get update |
| 04:23.27 | Palish | failed.. and then it told me to run apt-get update to correct it :P |
| 04:24.02 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: well, the only way to be sure would be to ask him, what "echo $0" gives in his shell (bash or -bash). |
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| 04:26.09 | lhadji | Palish, read the topic :D |
| 04:26.17 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: But if you doubt it, just "man bash" and search for .bashrc or test for yourself (with and withou --login given to bash as argument) |
| 04:26.20 | Palish | Oh. Whoops. :/ |
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| 04:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: seems manpage agrees with tou "When an interactive shell that is not a login shell..." |
| 04:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | trying might not work... I might call .bashrc from .bash_profile because I was annoyed by that behavior :) |
| 04:28.41 | Palish | lhadji, I tried it. After following Mr. dpkg's instructions, it still fails. Here is my entire session: http://rafb.net/p/kMYktJ67.html |
| 04:28.48 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah. So is the standard setup in Debian. |
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| 04:29.08 | Palish | lhadji, does anything seem out of place in that? |
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| 04:30.22 | Palish | I ran "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update", which didn't even work (same error) :) Then I tried: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 04:30.36 | Palish | But that didn't fix it either.. Not sure what the next direction to go is. |
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| 04:32.35 | Palish | It reads: "gpg: key 2D230C5F: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed" |
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| 04:33.11 | metbsd | does debian come with latest kernel like 2.6.23? |
| 04:34.44 | penp | etch comes with 2.6.18 |
| 04:34.47 | penp | i think |
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| 04:34.57 | penp | lenny is 2.6.22-3 |
| 04:35.11 | lhadji | Palish, try to reconfigure debian-archive-keyring |
| 04:35.22 | Palish | Ok.. I've tried the 2005 key, 2006 key, and http://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-key-4.0.asc |
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| 04:35.25 | Palish | they don't work. :/ |
| 04:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | metbsd: the newest kernel in unstable is 2.6.23 |
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| 04:35.53 | epsilon | and manually import the key with gpg? |
| 04:36.03 | Palish | It's awesome when utilities protect you from using them. :) |
| 04:36.10 | metbsd | im using centos, their kernel is 2.6.1 |
| 04:36.12 | metbsd | 2.6.18 |
| 04:36.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: which instructions from dpkg were you following? |
| 04:36.38 | Palish | Here's what I did: http://rafb.net/p/wIW5oy45.html |
| 04:36.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: I think manually putting in keys didn't work because they weng in /root/.gpg/ |
| 04:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-/ |
| 04:37.07 | Palish | "etch key" and then "2006 key" |
| 04:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure where they should be, though |
| 04:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:37.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | try apt-get install debian-archive-keyring --reinstall |
| 04:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... |
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| 04:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: your paste is too long for me :) |
| 04:38.33 | Palish | Here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/owVUb481.html |
| 04:38.40 | Palish | (That one's shorter. :P) |
| 04:38.43 | mbroeker | CutMeOwnThroat, there is a debian specific tool: "apt-key list" lists them... |
| 04:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbroeker: ah, didn't know that |
| 04:39.24 | Palish | I mean.. I don't understand why it's simply failing. All I'm trying to do is update.. Surely that's a pretty common operation on Debian. :) |
| 04:39.34 | metbsd | what's kernel version in testing |
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| 04:39.49 | Palish | Is there any way to disable the signed repository safeguard? |
| 04:40.17 | mbroeker | Palish, can you paste the deb line for the repo? |
| 04:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there is indeed no "NO_PUBKEY 7EB857 5C71141D4A" |
| 04:40.45 | Palish | ... Apparently "nm.debian.org uses an invalid security certificate." :D |
| 04:40.50 | Palish | https://nm.debian.org/gpg.php won't load. Heh. |
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| 04:41.15 | Palish | mbroeker, sorry? I'll paste whatever you'd like.. Sort of /etc/passwd. |
| 04:41.17 | Palish | *Short |
| 04:41.33 | Palish | Not sure what a deb line for the repo is though. :/ |
| 04:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | metbsd: dunno :) |
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| 04:42.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | metbsd: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 04:42.28 | Palish | CutMeOwnThroat, I'd be amazingly grateful for any ideas you have.. |
| 04:42.41 | Palish | Or leads to look into. I'll read, figure it out myself, whatever it takes. I'm just not sure where to go. |
| 04:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: I had the impression mbroeker knows more about keys, so I just shut up and listen :) |
| 04:43.21 | metbsd | will samba and raidtool packages be very screwy in lenny |
| 04:43.30 | Palish | I'd love to paste "the deb line for the repo", but I'm not sure what that is. |
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| 04:44.03 | Palish | Here's my apt-key list: http://rafb.net/p/hqSJky37.html |
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| 04:44.23 | Palish | Is it because the update is going through mirrors.reflected.net? |
| 04:44.32 | mbroeker | Palish, i think your deb line is: deb http://mirrors.reflected.net etch/main |
| 04:44.58 | Palish | Thanks.. Where would you like me to paste that? Or is that something I should already have in a configuration file? |
| 04:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | metbsd: I personally think there would be no problem installing a testing or unstable kernel package in stable... but people in that channel think mixing versions is evil, so I will not advise you to do that :) |
| 04:45.06 | mbroeker | Palish, i think your deb line is: deb http://mirrors.reflected.net/ etch main ... |
| 04:45.17 | Palish | Yes.. But I don't know what to do with it. |
| 04:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | metbsd: hint, hint :) |
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| 04:46.25 | whyx | hi |
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| 04:47.29 | Palish | Let's put it this way.. What should I google to learn more about debian key signing? (And ultimately, to fix the apt-get update problem.) I'm trying the obvious keywords, but the infofrmation's scattered. |
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| 04:47.36 | Palish | *information |
| 04:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: the missing key :) |
| 04:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | worked for me in any case *g* |
| 04:48.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not in this case, though |
| 04:48.41 | Palish | Why does it require that specific key? |
| 04:48.56 | Palish | Perhaps my dedicated server provider messed with something. |
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| 04:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why does it require this one instead of the ones in the keyring package? |
| 04:49.12 | Palish | Do you know what configuration files are related to apt-get update? |
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| 04:49.36 | Palish | I'm thinking it's because it's trying to get updates from .. For example.. Get: 1 http://mirrors.reflected.net etch Release.gpg [378B] |
| 04:49.46 | Palish | mirrors.reflected.net |
| 04:49.51 | Palish | That doesn't seem standard. :P |
| 04:50.01 | Palish | (Reflected is my dedicated server host) |
| 04:50.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: you could try to update from a debian host directly... |
| 04:50.38 | Palish | Yeah, I'd like to |
| 04:50.45 | Palish | Do you know what configuration files to look at? |
| 04:51.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean for the server apt-get contacts? |
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| 04:51.17 | Palish | Yeah |
| 04:51.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.25 | Palish | not a file :/ |
| 04:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 04:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 04:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry |
| 04:51.59 | Palish | http://rafb.net/p/t4T5qJ19.html |
| 04:52.01 | Palish | ah |
| 04:52.05 | Palish | no problem. |
| 04:52.40 | Palish | .. Yes, they changed it. Back in 4/4/2007... It's apparently worked fine until a few months ago |
| 04:52.52 | Palish | (That's the last time I tried to update anyway.. It was successful.) |
| 04:53.24 | Palish | [22:44] <mbroeker> Palish, i think your deb line is: deb http://mirrors.reflected.net etch/main |
| 04:53.37 | mbroeker | Palish, no |
| 04:53.38 | Palish | close.. It's this: "deb http://mirrors.reflected.net/debian/ etch main" |
| 04:53.47 | mbroeker | yes thats it |
| 04:53.49 | mbroeker | http://rafb.net/p/aNI8eb26.html |
| 04:53.52 | Palish | That's what it's set to.. |
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| 04:53.53 | mbroeker | and it works for me |
| 04:54.12 | Palish | Here is my sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/gr9Ilr66.html ... Does anything look out of place to you? |
| 04:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, this is my keyring http://rafb.net/p/1iUtNf45.html - seems the key you need isnt in there either |
| 04:54.38 | mbroeker | Palish, have you the same keys as in this post: http://rafb.net/p/aNI8eb26.html ? |
| 04:55.04 | Palish | mbroeker, what command do I run to print that out? |
| 04:55.11 | mbroeker | Palish, apt-key list |
| 04:55.30 | Palish | Here's mine: http://rafb.net/p/86TKMR10.html |
| 04:55.58 | Palish | Exactly the same keys. |
| 04:56.08 | Palish | My apt-get program is likely way out of date. Could that affect anything? |
| 04:56.09 | rocketmagnet | how can i check with apt-get which is the latest package available for a certain app ? |
| 04:56.11 | Palish | as in, apt-get itself |
| 04:56.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: I get your error with your sources.list |
| 04:56.16 | Palish | (if it updates itself :/) |
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| 04:56.49 | Palish | Should I comment out all lines except "deb http://mirrors.reflected.net/debian etch main"? |
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| 04:57.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbroeker: what "works for you"? |
| 04:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get "NO_PUBKEY 7EB8575C71141D4A" with your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:59.08 | Palish | CutMeOwnThroat / mbroeker, could you please look at this? http://rafb.net/p/waiH0r47.html |
| 04:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there is an additional / at the end of one? |
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| 04:59.42 | Palish | hm? |
| 05:00.01 | Palish | Ok, screw this. :) Let's fight it from the other direction. What's -your- sources.list? |
| 05:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 05:00.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | could be the refldeb entry |
| 05:00.17 | mbroeker | and i have the same. i run apt-get update and it works |
| 05:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that isn't normal debian |
| 05:00.23 | Palish | I mean.. I don't see how doing an update from non-reflected.net servers would break anything.. But I have no clue. |
| 05:00.24 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: Palish: The refldeb line is the culprit |
| 05:00.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 05:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was faster ;-P |
| 05:00.40 | Palish | What's that, out of curiosity? |
| 05:00.41 | Tramp | :signature packet: algo 17, keyid 7EB8575C71141D4A |
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| 05:00.54 | Tramp | That's from the Releases.gpg in the etch directory |
| 05:01.25 | Palish | Sorry.. I'm new to this.. I don't follow why it's the culprit, but I'll take your word for it. :) |
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| 05:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: it's not part of normal debian, I think |
| 05:02.00 | Palish | Strange.. I haven't run apt-get update or apt-get upgrade in months, and yet it's saying: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:02.10 | Tramp | There is a pubkey.pgp in the /pub/refldeb/ directory, which probably contains this key |
| 05:02.19 | Tramp | No idea what "refldeb" is though. |
| 05:02.20 | Palish | Does that mean that Reflected went ahead and updated everything for me, or something? |
| 05:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: that's because you just removed all entries from sources.list |
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| 05:02.30 | Palish | Nah, I kept the top two |
| 05:02.50 | Palish | "debian/ etch main" and "debian-security/ etch/updates main" |
| 05:02.54 | Palish | Should I keep more? |
| 05:02.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's their custom webserver |
| 05:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | and other stuff they have on their own virtual hosts etc, I think |
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| 05:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's stuff they added to debian and packaged and that's why the key is not in the keyring |
| 05:03.57 | Palish | I see. :/ |
| 05:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | custom-made things they want to be able to install easily |
| 05:04.08 | Palish | Is there a way to tell if my debian is "really" up-to-date? |
| 05:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there is a package rn-refldeb-keyring |
| 05:04.18 | Nyle | Palish: yes |
| 05:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want to keep using these packages, then install that |
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| 05:04.58 | Palish | Which packages? |
| 05:05.00 | Nyle | Palish: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade (or dist-upgrade) |
| 05:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd guess you needn't bother |
| 05:05.49 | Palish | Hmm.. CutMeOwnThroat, http://rafb.net/p/3qRmlu62.html |
| 05:05.51 | Nyle | well that was fun |
| 05:06.12 | Palish | Nyle, if I comment out a certain sources.list entry, it tells me that it is up-to-date. But I haven't run apt-get update in months |
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| 05:06.44 | Nyle | that is what it is supposed to do |
| 05:06.47 | Nyle | ... |
| 05:07.15 | Palish | It's supposed to update itself without me running apt-get update? |
| 05:07.21 | Nyle | if you have not ran update then how is upgrade going to know which packages have been updated since last update |
| 05:07.26 | Nyle | update != upgrade |
| 05:07.31 | Palish | I ran one, and then the other. |
| 05:07.32 | Nyle | update updates the packages.gz |
| 05:07.52 | Nyle | upgrade uses the packages list to download and install the packages that have a higher version # |
| 05:08.04 | Nyle | upgrade followes update |
| 05:08.06 | Nyle | always |
| 05:08.13 | Palish | Rather.. I can't run apt-get update if I have this line in sources.list: deb http://mirrors.reflected.net/pub/refldeb etch main |
| 05:08.20 | Palish | It fails, complaining about keys. |
| 05:08.26 | Nyle | Palish: it doesn't fail |
| 05:08.57 | Nyle | it will still update the package list and package will still install, but it will give you a prompt saying its not authenticated or something or gpg key missing, but you can still bypass that |
| 05:09.16 | Palish | Well.. The key is located here: http://mirrors.reflected.net/pub/refldeb/ |
| 05:09.20 | Palish | I'm not sure how to install it though. |
| 05:09.37 | Palish | It's a .gpg file, which is different from the ones I did earlier |
| 05:09.49 | Tramp | Palish: CutMeOwnThroat told you about rn-refldeb-keyring earlier. Did you miss that? |
| 05:09.50 | Palish | (.asc files) |
| 05:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp: didn't seem to have worked |
| 05:10.08 | Nyle | so download (wget) the gpg file, and then add it using apt-key |
| 05:10.10 | Palish | "apt-get install rn-refldeb-keyring" fails. |
| 05:10.25 | Nyle | with which error message? |
| 05:10.48 | Tramp | oh. Well save that key to a file and run apt-key --add <file> |
| 05:10.49 | Palish | Uhh.. It did. I swear. :/ |
| 05:10.51 | Palish | Now it just worked. |
| 05:10.53 | Nyle | if you know where this package is located, wget it and dpkg -i it |
| 05:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:11.36 | Palish | There we go. |
| 05:12.10 | Nyle | hmm |
| 05:12.14 | Palish | Ha! |
| 05:12.16 | Nyle | tokens |
| 05:12.19 | Nyle | all ya'll are tokens |
| 05:12.22 | Palish | Darn |
| 05:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, there we go |
| 05:12.45 | Nyle | !token |
| 05:12.46 | Palish | so apt-get update Fetched 1216kB.. But "apt-get upgrade" still claims that nothing needs upgrading. |
| 05:12.48 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | keep detaching a channel from xchat with ctrl-i |
| 05:13.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess what I wanted to type was ctrl-u :) |
| 05:13.23 | Nyle | Palish: you have anything pinned? |
| 05:13.25 | Palish | The process installed a different sources.list. Here it is: http://rafb.net/p/GCsQuS86.html |
| 05:13.40 | Palish | Sorry, pinned? |
| 05:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... pingirls |
| 05:14.02 | Palish | :D |
| 05:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !pinning |
| 05:14.11 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 05:14.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be nice if he also would explain what it is :-P |
| 05:14.54 | Nyle | well |
| 05:15.06 | Nyle | if he doesn't know, then what are the odds he has pinned anything? |
| 05:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, the url does in a way |
| 05:15.23 | Palish | Nyle, Reflected network admin may have |
| 05:15.43 | Nyle | why would that have any effect on your box? |
| 05:15.50 | Palish | I'm googling to figure out how to figure out if I can figure out if I have anything pinned. |
| 05:15.57 | Nyle | don't worry about it |
| 05:16.07 | Palish | I don't know.. I don't know what pinning is. I just heard that it's bad from you guys, so I ran off to research it. :) |
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| 05:16.25 | Palish | Here's an example. My ruby version is 1.8.5. The latest is 1.8.6, right? |
| 05:16.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: a) you got a point, but b) there are many people following howtos blindly |
| 05:16.31 | Palish | yet apt-get update won't update it. |
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| 05:16.39 | Palish | upgrade, even. |
| 05:16.41 | Palish | or apt-get install |
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| 05:16.49 | Nyle | what is this reflected stuff? |
| 05:16.58 | Nyle | what are you doing that isn't working |
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| 05:16.59 | sag_ich_nicht | Question: what could be the reasons for my etch installation missing dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 05:17.03 | sag_ich_nicht | *reason |
| 05:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag ich nicht :) |
| 05:17.20 | oldude67 | hey i got a simple question, if i install debian in the first part of my hard drive where windows is, will it mess up my slack on the second part? |
| 05:17.38 | Palish | Nyle, I'm simply trying to figure out if my Debian is completely up-to-date. As in, I'm trying to find out if all of the packages that I have installed are at the latest version. |
| 05:17.39 | guipenguin | What can I use in gnome, similar to active desktop in Windows, to display elements of web pages, on the desktop? (automatically refreshing etc) |
| 05:17.47 | sag_ich_nicht | CutMeOwnThroat: that joke a has a beard, a long one actually |
| 05:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag_ich_nicht: debconf not installed ... :-/ |
| 05:17.57 | Nyle | Palish: which debian release are you using? |
| 05:18.01 | Palish | I don't think that they are, because I haven't run apt-get upgrade in months (indeed, it's been broken) and it still says that everything is up-to-date. |
| 05:18.08 | Nyle | Palish: good fucking lord |
| 05:18.08 | Palish | Etch |
| 05:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag_ich_nicht: I was aware of that... but you kind of ask for it, imho |
| 05:18.09 | Nyle | you type fast |
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| 05:18.18 | Nyle | Palish: you have all latest packages |
| 05:18.20 | Palish | Thanks. :D |
| 05:18.21 | Nyle | Etch is frozen |
| 05:18.30 | Palish | ah.. |
| 05:18.31 | Nyle | and only updates will come from security team |
| 05:18.53 | Palish | So there's an unstable branch again then.. Sort of how etch was when the latest was Sarge. |
| 05:18.57 | sag_ich_nicht | CutMeOwnThroat: it's installed tho :( even just reinstalled it to make sure some installation error wasn't causing it to be missing |
| 05:19.02 | Nyle | Palish: that is correct |
| 05:19.07 | sag_ich_nicht | and i have that nickname since uh... 2001 or something, so :P |
| 05:19.09 | Nyle | !tell Palish -about releases |
| 05:19.17 | Palish | So iF I want, say, the latest Ruby (1.8.6), I'd need to get that? |
| 05:19.31 | Nyle | Palish: backport it yourself or pay me to do it |
| 05:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag_ich_nicht: but /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure is part of the debconf package |
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| 05:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag_ich_nicht: perhaps it's just not in your path? |
| 05:20.08 | Nyle | if you have to ask so many questions like these, I also highly suggest you stick to debian stable/etch for a while, a long while |
| 05:20.18 | yusu0 | hi how do u install compiz in debian |
| 05:20.33 | Nyle | yusu0: compiz or compiz fusion? |
| 05:20.37 | sag_ich_nicht | CutMeOwnThroat: lemme check again |
| 05:20.47 | Nyle | yusu0: imo a better place to ask is #compiz-fusion |
| 05:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag_ich_nicht: hehe... it's not unheared of to change it, though - I first registered as "throat" - but got tired of the misconceptions :) |
| 05:21.13 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm |
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| 05:21.17 | Nyle | yusu0: since etch doesn't have compiz you need to use 3rd party repositories and howtos, #compiz-fusion would know |
| 05:21.23 | Palish | CutMeOwnThroat / Nyle / mbroeker / lhadji, thank you for your time. I seriously appreciate it |
| 05:21.36 | Nyle | Palish: we got nothing better to do |
| 05:21.39 | Nyle | its all good |
| 05:21.40 | Palish | ;) |
| 05:21.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sag_ich_nicht: now there are different misunderstandings, that's why dpkg knows about dibbler :-P |
| 05:21.44 | epsilon | etch has compiz |
| 05:21.58 | epsilon | but not compiz fusion |
| 05:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: speak for yourself - I have lots of better things to do, but I try to avoid them |
| 05:22.11 | yigal | is there any comparable apt-* command that aptitude ~{d,c,b} has? |
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| 05:22.56 | Nyle | what did I say? |
| 05:23.08 | Nyle | oh I asked him what he wanted, compiz or compiz fusion |
| 05:23.10 | yigal | aptitude is so slow - relative to apt-cache - and I really don't like its default of installing recommends. |
| 05:23.11 | Nyle | but then i drifted off |
| 05:23.12 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:23.15 | yusu0 | epsilon, how do u get it working |
| 05:23.35 | epsilon | yusu0: dunno, I only installed compiz fusion once, but that was in gentoo |
| 05:23.40 | Nyle | yigal: you can configure aptitude you know |
| 05:23.52 | epsilon | try with the package in etch first? |
| 05:24.07 | Nyle | use compiz fusion from shame's repository |
| 05:24.09 | Nyle | for etch |
| 05:24.12 | yigal | Nyle: of course, but its like using anything, if it works nicely without config I usually prefer it |
| 05:24.25 | yigal | s/its/it's |
| 05:24.32 | Nyle | how would other people know what you like? |
| 05:24.36 | yusu0 | shames repository ???? |
| 05:24.53 | Nyle | you configure stuff the way you want to configure it |
| 05:24.53 | Nyle | nothing comes pre configured exactly the way you want |
| 05:24.54 | Nyle | wtf |
| 05:25.03 | Nyle | yusu0: #compiz-fusion |
| 05:25.12 | Nyle | if you mean only compiz, then I don't know. |
| 05:25.37 | yigal | Nyle: yes I can make emacs operate like vim but I prefer to use vim, its just how in practice I operate |
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| 05:26.26 | Nyle | so the point is this; either do what you need to get it going the way you want, or stop bitching ;) |
| 05:26.47 | Nyle | well, stop bitching anyway |
| 05:27.11 | yigal | is there any comparable apt-* command that aptitude ~{d,c,b} has? |
| 05:27.34 | Nyle | im smoking. |
| 05:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is ~{d,c,b} |
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| 05:27.53 | mutable | hello. i want to install oracle-xe. i added oracle site to sources.list, added key and updated cache, issued "apt-get install oracle-xe" and it throwed unmet dependencies on libaio and advised me to run "ap-get -f install ...". i thought that apt should handle dependencies automatically. what's the problem please? |
| 05:28.04 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: ~d = description ~d = broken ~c = removed but configuration files still exist |
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| 05:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show XXX shows the description |
| 05:28.50 | Nyle | vin deisel |
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| 05:29.03 | Nyle | russian gangs |
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| 05:29.14 | Nyle | hot chics |
| 05:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -l will show all packages and you can grep for "rc", which is iirc "removed but configuration exists" |
| 05:29.18 | dpkg | ii will show all packages and you can grep for "rc", which is iirc "removed but configuration exists" 2.8-2.3 cutmeownthroat's private stamp collection |
| 05:29.22 | Nyle | XXX kicked ass |
| 05:29.39 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, of course what was I thinking, thank you |
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| 05:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shut up |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
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| 05:30.04 | Nyle | !smack CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:30.05 | yigal | :) |
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| 05:30.16 | yigal | !beer all |
| 05:30.23 | Nyle | !pot |
| 05:30.24 | dpkg | i guess pot is what dd's smoke and eat, or the primary reason for weird commits from the Dutch developers Yummmmmm..... Plain Old Text |
| 05:30.31 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:30.44 | Nyle | !dd |
| 05:30.45 | dpkg | well, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 05:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lol |
| 05:30.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:31.09 | Nyle | !wtf |
| 05:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | har har |
| 05:31.14 | Nyle | oh hm |
| 05:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and this is the time when I tell you guys not to abuse the bot |
| 05:31.24 | Nyle | !wtf wtf |
| 05:31.25 | dpkg | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 05:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:31.38 | Nyle | !abuse |
| 05:31.38 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 05:31.43 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:31.44 | mutable | what are unmet dependencies please? |
| 05:31.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 05:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll remember that |
| 05:31.52 | stopher | Hey guys, i'm trying to install Debian 4.0 Etch onto a shuttle server, I select US/American English for setup, it detects hardware, and goes to a blue screen with a gray line at the bottom, then sits for a few, then restarts? It's got 4x PIII processors, 4 SCSI disks, 1 IDE HD. I want to install deb onto SCSI Disk 1. |
| 05:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: when you don't have all packages you need for a package |
| 05:32.28 | Nyle | mutable: package A depends on package B, but package B is not installable for some reason, or is not present, then pacakge B is a unmet dependency of package A |
| 05:32.44 | mutable | and why apt doesn't handle it ? |
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| 05:32.57 | mutable | because that package exists in cache |
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| 05:33.04 | yigal | mutable: it can't find the package it needs, or there areconflicts with packages |
| 05:33.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:33.14 | mutable | see my post above please |
| 05:33.23 | yigal | conflicts |
| 05:33.27 | yigal | ? |
| 05:33.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: that doesn't invalidate the answer |
| 05:33.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: it's up to you to find out what is wrong... |
| 05:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: you can try to manually install the required packages, and you'll find ouy |
| 05:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | out |
| 05:34.30 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: can i cut your throat too? |
| 05:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dibbler |
| 05:34.39 | dpkg | hmm... dibbler is Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.' |
| 05:34.56 | mutable | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, if i manually install libaio, how can i find what was the problem? |
| 05:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I kinda forsaw that question / pun |
| 05:35.06 | Palish | This guy is pretty crazy: www.tlb.org |
| 05:35.11 | Palish | He made his own self-balancing walking robot. o_O |
| 05:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: probably it can't be installed or not in the version you need... |
| 05:35.23 | Nyle | Palish: you know whats cool? |
| 05:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you;ll see |
| 05:35.27 | Nyle | Palish: sliced bread. |
| 05:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle: sliced bread is heavily overrated, imo |
| 05:35.50 | Palish | Sliced bread is quite the experience, for sure. |
| 05:35.51 | mutable | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, ok |
| 05:36.01 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat: of course |
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| 05:36.09 | Nyle | 888 |
| 05:36.10 | Nyle | 111 |
| 05:36.26 | Nyle | ... |
| 05:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. it goes stale much faster |
| 05:36.36 | yigal | Nyle: 123? |
| 05:36.44 | Nyle | 321 |
| 05:36.46 | Nyle | 123 |
| 05:36.49 | Nyle | what the hell |
| 05:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | 437? |
| 05:36.51 | Nyle | is bothering me |
| 05:37.01 | Nyle | i say it when im angry |
| 05:37.03 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: prime |
| 05:37.05 | Nyle | it helps to calm me down |
| 05:37.19 | Nyle | three two one, one two three, what the hell is bothering me |
| 05:37.23 | Nyle | try it out when you're mad |
| 05:37.36 | Nyle | also another good thing to do to bring your anger down rapidly is to say like |
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| 05:37.44 | yigal | Nyle: I'll be too into killing something to care |
| 05:37.50 | stopher | For the server install issue i'm having can I install from a network mirror that will grab all drivers it may need? |
| 05:38.11 | Nyle | 1, sob, 2, mofo, 3 asshole, 4.. point is to say it really really fast, and after every number yo hav to say a completely diff cuss word, and you have to count upto 1- |
| 05:38.14 | Nyle | 10 |
| 05:38.20 | Nyle | but no one has been able to do it past like 5-6 |
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| 05:38.25 | mutable | packages which have in depends for example "libaio (>= 0.3.96) | libaio1 (>= 0.3.96)" therefore needs my intervention to choose which of dependecy i would like to install? |
| 05:38.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: or perhaps it works and you can install the other package :) |
| 05:38.32 | Nyle | by the time you get to thinking about cuss words, you done forgot about why you were pissed |
| 05:38.40 | Nyle | it really helps when linux pisses me off |
| 05:38.49 | yigal | mutable: apt should give you some choices |
| 05:38.50 | Nyle | and trust me |
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| 05:38.54 | Nyle | linux can do that to people |
| 05:39.00 | Palish | Now why would Linux piss you off? It works correctly, always, and always on the first try. |
| 05:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: you might want to use aptitude... it can give you different solutions to fulfill dependencies |
| 05:39.06 | Palish | You don't even have to read manuals or anything. |
| 05:39.27 | Nyle | Palish: you are a home desktop linux user? |
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| 05:39.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | mutable: yes, I'd think you can take either |
| 05:39.46 | Palish | No, I'm a sarcastic ass. :( |
| 05:39.49 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't like aptitude cause its slow, but I think in your case you should try it. |
| 05:39.55 | Nyle | or one who uses it many diff arch and hw |
| 05:39.55 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: Sorry |
| 05:40.03 | yigal | mutable: I don't like aptitude cause its slow, but I think in your case you should try it. |
| 05:40.05 | Nyle | Palish: i will spank you |
| 05:40.20 | Palish | I'll sic my robot on you |
| 05:40.20 | yigal | Nyle: your crazy man |
| 05:40.32 | Nyle | yigal: you wanna get purple nurples? |
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| 05:40.40 | uzbek | good morning |
| 05:40.40 | Nyle | i suggest you chill too |
| 05:40.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: "It works correctly, always, and always on the first try." you never tried to install a wireless a couple of years ago... or a bluetooth micro/headset combo |
| 05:40.43 | Palish | he'll gather data about your whereabouts, then disregard it and drive into walls. (shameless bash.org quote) |
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| 05:40.46 | Nyle | uzbek: good morning |
| 05:41.07 | mutable | ok, thx... apt show unmet dependcy on oracle every time i run it and advises "apt -f install"... i'll check man page |
| 05:41.18 | Palish | CutMeOwnThroat, heh.. Bad joke |
| 05:41.20 | yigal | Nyle: no that would piss me off |
| 05:41.22 | Nyle | mutable: check bts for bugs ont hat package |
| 05:41.26 | Nyle | regarding installation |
| 05:41.31 | Nyle | or related packages |
| 05:41.45 | Nyle | yigal: why? |
| 05:41.55 | yigal | Nyle: I wish I was more into bdsm just not my thing, go figure |
| 05:42.01 | Nyle | yigal: either you're a old man or have no sense of fun |
| 05:42.15 | yigal | sob sob |
| 05:42.21 | uzbek | recently, i joined two partitions (debian system files and home). htdocs was in my home folder. but after joining partitions mysql and virtual host settings of apache aren't working. I have no idea what was wrong |
| 05:42.35 | yigal | Nyle: maybe with the right girl |
| 05:42.51 | Nyle | yigal: yigal: yigal: yigal: . |
| 05:42.54 | mutable | thx for help... apt-get -f install fixed broken dependencies, (though i don't know which :) ) |
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| 05:43.57 | yigal | has anyone used elgg for a blog ? |
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| 05:51.34 | mwnn | I have just installed debian from the first dvd. How do I add the remaining 2 dvds to sources.list? |
| 05:53.36 | yigal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting |
| 05:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heared of it |
| 05:54.13 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: thats funny |
| 05:54.14 | mwnn | yigal: thanks |
| 05:54.15 | nalioth | apt does many neat tricks |
| 05:54.17 | yigal | np |
| 05:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Palish: ha - e.g. I have to reboot my laptop all the time and still the bluetooth-headset doesnt work well with it... there seems to be a newer solution around, but that needs a kernel patch that I dont want to apply (everything else is running nicely, why spoil it)... |
| 05:55.29 | Nyle | nalioth: eh. it doesn't roll over or play dead. |
| 05:55.31 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: why? I haven't even installed any computer from CD/DVD the last.... 6 (?) years - although I have set up perhaps... dunno between 5 and 10 new debian machines in that time |
| 05:57.03 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: I wonder if I could use my Blackberry, which has a bluetooth connection, and the wired headset on it with my laptop which has a bluetooth dongle |
| 05:57.39 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm glad your propating debian :) |
| 05:58.18 | yigal | its time to lay off the Sauvignon |
| 05:58.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: I just mean... I always cloned the machines... so much more convenient than installing from DVD... :) |
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| 05:59.11 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: ya, I usually use netinstall cd but I remember using this previously for my friend's laptop |
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| 05:59.43 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: different experiences allow for different memories, owell enough bs |
| 06:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: dunno about blueberries... (except that they're tasty), but that bluetooth-headset is a pain - only, I have no choice, because the circuits for the microphone seem to be broken somehow |
| 06:00.51 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: what seems to break with the bluetooth connection |
| 06:01.18 | Palish | CutMeOwnThroat, heh. Such is the nature of open-source eh? At least it's free and has a bunch of nice people. :) |
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| 06:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: well, sometimes it doesnt connect, which can be fixed with pairing it anew |
| 06:02.19 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: have you attempted to make a script to pair them auto(magically) |
| 06:02.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: and pretty often, it loses the count of connections/threads/??... which can be fixed either by removing the kernel-module (if it counts less then there are) or only by rebooting |
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| 06:03.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: it's better to type the "0000" and see that it worked - pairing works by putting the headset into pairing-mode |
| 06:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: funnily enough, only kbluetoothd is able to supply the pin to the headset correctly, all other existing apps cant make it pair |
| 06:04.31 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: hcitool fails, wow thats really weird |
| 06:04.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw - even rebooting doesn't really work in latter miscount case; the computer will just hang and will have to be shut off forcibly |
| 06:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: hcitool doesnt fail... it doesnt supply the pin itself - there is always something like a pin-helper or so |
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| 06:06.18 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, yes, but it helps with pairing, right? |
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| 06:06.40 | xterm | hello, How can I add Some font's to amsn? |
| 06:06.49 | xterm | Im actually on lenny |
| 06:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yigal: I think it can, but I don't need it (anymore) - I found out that when I call "btsco" when the headset is in pairing mode, it will automatically trigger pairing and kbluetoothd |
| 06:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | amsn? |
| 06:07.52 | xterm | yep, amsn |
| 06:07.52 | yigal | CutMeOwnThroat: Its time to waiste my dad at a game of that ol fashioned chess, have a wicked awesome weekend - blueberries are probably a better thing to be interested in :) |
| 06:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, argh |
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| 06:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !amsn |
| 06:08.01 | dpkg | i heard amsn is Alvaro's Messenger (http://amsn.sourceforge.net/), an MSN client. |
| 06:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, argh |
| 06:08.23 | xterm | yep |
| 06:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea :) |
| 06:09.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's not a debian package and therefore you're wrong here anyways :-P |
| 06:10.10 | xterm | I've install it with apt , so, it's a debian package |
| 06:10.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's it called? |
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| 06:10.49 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 06:10.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | made a typo when searching it |
| 06:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | good job in 4 chars |
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| 06:12.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Hehe "Perfect for keeping in touch with those friends who have not yet seen the light." |
| 06:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll remember that for when I need it |
| 06:13.18 | simonrvn | just because you install it via apt-get or whatever, doesn't mean it's a part of debian |
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| 06:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it does if you only use the normal repositories |
| 06:13.40 | simonrvn | that's just illogical |
| 06:14.06 | simonrvn | only if you use the official ones, and only main and contrib qualify as being "debian" |
| 06:14.30 | simonrvn | (some would argue only main) |
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| 06:15.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, this seems to be in main |
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| 06:19.35 | simonrvn | then, obviously, it is ;). you can check that via apt-cache |
| 06:20.37 | elllisd | how do i view apt-build's log? |
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| 06:23.10 | Nyle | hey |
| 06:23.14 | Nyle | its rvn of the simon |
| 06:23.40 | Nyle | im bored |
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| 06:23.56 | Nyle | !poke simonrvn |
| 06:24.01 | Nyle | uh oh |
| 06:24.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:24.05 | Nyle | dpkg: nasty |
| 06:24.08 | elllisd | where do i look at compile logs? |
| 06:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | "at your screen" |
| 06:25.17 | Nyle | where do I look at pr0n? |
| 06:25.19 | elllisd | lol |
| 06:25.33 | maddash | weeeeeeeeeeeee thinkfinger |
| 06:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | google for "sex"... |
| 06:25.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... like everyone else |
| 06:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (wasn't "sex" the most searched-for keyword?) |
| 06:26.11 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: scroogle.org =) |
| 06:26.39 | elllisd | apt-build failed at bsdmainutils, & I want to know if it was going through apt-build.list alphabetically or not for when I restart world again |
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| 06:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Xenguy: nah... MS doesn't spy on me... if google also wouldn't spy on me, I would get the impression nobody is interested in me at all |
| 06:27.03 | simonrvn | !kill Nyle :P |
| 06:27.34 | simonrvn | ooooh good song |
| 06:28.09 | Xenguy | CutMeOwnThroat: nonsense, remain blissfully unaware of surveillance if you want :P |
| 06:28.21 | simonrvn | Nyle: wassup dude? |
| 06:29.04 | simonrvn | Nyle: on your screen? |
| 06:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he's gorn |
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| 06:41.52 | waltz | you know |
| 06:42.03 | waltz | it rather sucksbad that syslogd won't forward past one hop |
| 06:42.13 | waltz | can you fix this please? |
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| 06:42.47 | simonrvn | file a bug. we're not the bts here. |
| 06:43.12 | simonrvn | !tell waltz -about bts |
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| 06:44.00 | waltz | er |
| 06:44.09 | waltz | I don't know if it's a bug per-se, I'd say a limitation |
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| 06:44.31 | simonrvn | doesn't have to be a bug, that would be called a wishlist bug |
| 06:44.40 | waltz | I see |
| 06:44.58 | simonrvn | "feature request", etc. |
| 06:45.30 | Nyle | hi |
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| 06:51.27 | maddash | woohoo, fingerprint scanner works |
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| 06:54.06 | simonrvn | maddash: \o/ |
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| 07:02.08 | maddash | uh oh |
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| 07:02.41 | maddash | normally, plain old root isn't permitted to execute code that requires access to :0 |
| 07:03.06 | maddash | now, when i 'su -c 'xlock' ', xscreensaver is launched under root |
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| 07:03.40 | maddash | how is root getting such permissions? 'xauth'? |
| 07:04.24 | simonrvn | yeh; root probably has the cookie for that x session, or a straight copy of the user's .Xauthority |
| 07:05.29 | maddash | simonrvn: you mean, /root/.Xauthority is the one giving root this ability? |
| 07:05.58 | simonrvn | only if it contains a valid mit x cookie |
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| 07:08.51 | maddash | oops. I just went on a 'remove' rampage inside 'xauth', and now xlock under root gives, "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 07:08.52 | maddash | Xlib: Invalid XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 key (failed key comparison)" -- obviously, I've deleted some cookie that was allowing root access to :0, so how do I fix this? and in the future, if I feel the need to go cookie hunting again, how do I know which ones belong to root? |
| 07:10.10 | simonrvn | only "belongs" too root because it's in root's Xauthority, it really belongs to the user's x session and that user. |
| 07:10.15 | simonrvn | s,too,to, |
| 07:10.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: $HOME doesnt change if you don't do "su -" |
| 07:10.40 | Internat | man i really wish rdiff-backup was easily available on windows |
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| 07:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | so root will just co-use the .Xauthority of the user which did the su |
| 07:10.49 | simonrvn | and yes, that matters ;) |
| 07:11.00 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, but I need to su, b/c I'm trying to get my xlock to execute each time I suspend, and the suspend script is executed as root |
| 07:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: use xscreensaver |
| 07:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: that triggered automatically on suspends |
| 07:11.36 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: they're the same |
| 07:12.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think they are the same |
| 07:12.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | xlockmore != xscreensaver |
| 07:12.48 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, even after installing xscreensaver, i'd have to manually add 'xscreensaver' to the suspend script |
| 07:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 07:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you run xscreensaver as the user |
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| 07:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | with a timeout after which it locks the screen |
| 07:13.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is normally met on suspend anyways |
| 07:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is probably why it triggered :) |
| 07:13.39 | maddash | simonrvn: so, for this moment, how can i get X to allow root to 'xlock'? |
| 07:13.52 | maddash | simonrvn: besides 'xhost +' |
| 07:14.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't want that anyways |
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| 07:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you want what xscreensaver does for you - that the screen of a user is locked with the users password |
| 07:14.36 | _12inch | hey ... if i run something ... how can i see what libraries it loads ? |
| 07:14.38 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: hence, 'besides' |
| 07:14.47 | _12inch | basically trying to track down a problem it has loading libraries |
| 07:15.06 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: xscreensaver doesn't automatically launch itself in respone to suspend |
| 07:15.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: no, it is already running at that time |
| 07:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | my point was, when you have it configured to lock the screen after a time, it will lock it directly after the system wakes up after a suspend |
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| 07:19.35 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: and how does that magic happen? via some xscreensaver daemon, rihgt? what if I don't want my memory to be occupied by some program I'll use once every two days? |
| 07:23.09 | maddash | forget it, i've fixed it all on my own already |
| 07:23.19 | maddash | xscreensaver is bloated and slow, btw. |
| 07:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: *sigh* su - `w |grep ':0' |head -1 |awk '{print $1}'` -c xlock |
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| 07:24.41 | maddash | ROFL |
| 07:24.46 | epsilon | sounds like a gay hack |
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| 07:24.54 | maddash | your little script returns, "02:24:35" |
| 07:25.12 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: b/c w returns 0 users |
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| 07:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | epsilon: he wanted a hack |
| 07:25.41 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: you think I haven't thought of that? even using su, xlock will not execute unless root has :0 permission |
| 07:25.48 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: I wanted a hack that WORKS. |
| 07:25.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: "su -" |
| 07:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | not su |
| 07:26.26 | maddash | then what? you wrote su |
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| 07:26.31 | maddash | go away. |
| 07:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I didnt |
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| 07:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | root will access the .Xauthority of the user, if $HOME is set to that of the user using :0 |
| 07:27.51 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: why don't you try it yourself instead of dispensing it to me? |
| 07:28.22 | maddash | root will not magically "access the .Xauthority of the user" |
| 07:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you say so |
| 07:29.05 | cahoot | sux? |
| 07:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | root like every user will access $HOME/.Xauthority to look for authentification |
| 07:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | magically |
| 07:29.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | isnt that great? |
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| 07:29.58 | maddash | geez |
| 07:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't need to "try it myself" because I did numerous times |
| 07:30.19 | maddash | if my username is 'bryant', it all evals to, `su - bryant -c xlock`, right? |
| 07:30.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course DISPLAY has to be set correctly also |
| 07:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | which it probably is not |
| 07:30.52 | maddash | you're an idiot. none of this will (nor should) happen in /etc/acpi/suspendnow.sh. go away. |
| 07:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | when you run from a script |
| 07:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said you should use xscreensaver |
| 07:31.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said you wanted to hack some crap together that runs xlock |
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| 07:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you asked for crap, now you complain that you get it |
| 07:32.07 | maddash | 'crap' by definition, still works. your crap doesn't even work, and doesn't deserve to be called crap. don't mix things around. clear your thoughts. |
| 07:32.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | my thoughts are clear |
| 07:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | but thank you for the advice anyways |
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| 07:33.53 | maddash | geez, even when the proper mods are made so that 'su bryant -c xlock' works, your command ('su - bryant -c xlock') does NOTHING. |
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| 07:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes :) |
| 07:36.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | su - k -c "HOME=/home/k DISPLAY=:0 xlock", works, though, and you are the idiot |
| 07:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably can forego the "-" there, it doesnt seem to work as I thought it would |
| 07:37.19 | maddash | hence, 'undeserving of crap' |
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| 07:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or lets say it differently - who is the idiot, the guy asking for crap, or the guy granting the wish? |
| 07:38.14 | PL0K | What .deb packages contain the include files used for GCC and G++? |
| 07:38.19 | maddash | and ask yourself: Is it really appropriate to fuck with root's HOME and DISPLAY vars in a pre-suspend script? |
| 07:38.29 | maddash | PL0K: build-essential |
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| 07:38.34 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I extract the content of a .img file to a directory? |
| 07:38.42 | maddash | PL0K: actually, it depends on what you are building |
| 07:39.02 | PL0K | I need the basic files for plain gcc, and nothing else |
| 07:39.02 | maddash | PL0K: build-essential latches onto the C libs for you |
| 07:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: YOU ask that yourself... remember that I suggested xscreensaver, which will "just work" and will not involve root in any way |
| 07:39.11 | PL0K | maddash: Thanks |
| 07:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you want to run xlock from a root-owned script |
| 07:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways - what's wrong in setting HOME and DISPLAY? |
| 07:40.02 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: part of my original question was for xscreensaver to not be included in the answer. |
| 07:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's NOT root that sets it, as you might be aware of |
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| 07:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: well, there's always a way... you choose your way, dont bitch about it if you chose the crappy one |
| 07:40.41 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: what are you talking about? 'HOME=*; DISPLAY=*" inside of a script EXECUTED BY ROOT implies that ROOT SETS IT. |
| 07:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 07:41.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you are soooo right |
| 07:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, the user cannot change with the use of "su" |
| 07:41.19 | PL0K | maddash: I tried it, it didn't have any include files |
| 07:41.20 | malachi_constant | Is there an apt command that will find me all the packages that depend on a particular package? |
| 07:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | what an Idiot I am to think "su" might change the user and it would not be root who sets the variables |
| 07:41.36 | maddash | PL0K: what exactly did you try? |
| 07:41.49 | maddash | malachi_constant: 'aptitude show [particular package]' |
| 07:42.22 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: omfg. in your command, you set the vars prior to su-ing |
| 07:42.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | su - k -c "HOME=/home/k DISPLAY=:0 xlock"? |
| 07:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | learn to read |
| 07:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is pointless |
| 07:42.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | good night |
| 07:43.00 | malachi_constant | maddash: other way around. I'm looking for something that shows me what depends on apache2, not what apache2 depends on. Subject and object reversed. |
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| 07:43.16 | r4-mecha | hi |
| 07:43.18 | malachi_constant | maddash: although that is handy. It seems to format better than apt-cache show. |
| 07:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | q.e.d. the guy can't read |
| 07:43.24 | maddash | tell me, genius, what effect would it have on xlock INSIDE the su, when you're already xlocking INSIDE the su? |
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| 07:43.37 | maddash | malachi_constant: deborphan |
| 07:43.48 | r4-mecha | anyone has ever succeeded in running haproxy on etch? |
| 07:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | maddash: look, you dont want to talk with an idiot, and neither want I |
| 07:43.49 | maddash | malachi_constant: 'deborphan -da [partic pkg]' |
| 07:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I wish you a good night |
| 07:43.58 | malachi_constant | maddash: thanks a million. |
| 07:44.15 | maddash | CutMeOwnThroat: I told you to go away, already |
| 07:44.19 | maddash | twice. |
| 07:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh |
| 07:45.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | man... you make me weep |
| 07:45.08 | cahoot | ok girls please stop it |
| 07:45.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | amazing ignorance |
| 07:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 07:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 07:45.31 | nvz | heh |
| 07:45.42 | nvz | and to think I was about to get a movie |
| 07:45.58 | maddash | cahoot: btw, sux would work, but I'm trying to get xlock to start prior to suspend with minimal modifications to the system. I'm picky. |
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| 07:46.48 | cahoot | maddash: yes sorry I was speaking out of ignorance really |
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| 07:48.18 | nvz | why can't you just use xscreensaver-command -lock as the user logged in? |
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| 07:48.52 | maddash | nvz: 'logged in'? there's no 'logging in' after you come out of 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' |
| 07:49.08 | PL0K | What Debian package file comes with the basic includes used with gcc and g++? |
| 07:49.20 | PL0K | like stdio.h |
| 07:49.22 | nvz | maddash: no, but why would you need a x display locked unless there was a user logged in on the xsession? |
| 07:49.23 | maddash | PL0K: jesus christ, didn't I tell you already? |
| 07:49.49 | maddash | PL0K: build-essential, geez |
| 07:49.51 | nvz | PL0K: if you are building anything you want build-essnetial |
| 07:49.54 | PL0K | I downloaded that file and all it came with was |
| 07:50.06 | maddash | PL0K: didn't I ask you what exactly you tried? |
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| 07:50.09 | nvz | erm essential even |
| 07:50.55 | maddash | nvz: i don't think we're on the same page, but it sounds like you have a good idea. |
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| 07:51.04 | PL0K | gzip -dc data.tar.gz | tar xvf - |
| 07:51.04 | PL0K | . |
| 07:51.04 | PL0K | ./usr |
| 07:51.04 | PL0K | ./usr/share |
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| 07:51.07 | Nocturn | Hi guys |
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| 07:51.17 | prgmrchris | ägd |
| 07:51.18 | Nocturn | How can I close a session on a DVD-R? |
| 07:51.21 | PL0K | It didn't come with any includes |
| 07:51.21 | nvz | maddash: no, we're not, you undoubtedly scrolled off my screen with this discussion and I didn't scroll back |
| 07:51.34 | maddash | Nocturn: chopin or borodin? |
| 07:51.38 | nvz | maddash: I just don't understand why you are becomming root to do all this or at least that seems like what you are doing |
| 07:51.52 | PL0K | Don't take maddash's advice |
| 07:51.53 | prgmrchris | PL0K: varför kallar alla dig för spammaren ? :D |
| 07:51.57 | nvz | heh |
| 07:52.14 | nvz | PL0K: wth, did you manually download the package? |
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| 07:52.20 | nvz | wb |
| 07:52.24 | Nocturn | maddash: chopin? |
| 07:52.25 | maddash | :( |
| 07:52.31 | maddash | stupid isp |
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| 07:52.50 | maddash | Nocturn: chopin and borodin both wrote nocturnes |
| 07:52.54 | nvz | prgmrchris: we speak english in #debian, please fall in, or take it elsewhere |
| 07:52.59 | prgmrchris | gj |
| 07:53.06 | maddash | PL0K: I don't think you're using solaris, or any primordial unix, so you can simply 'tar xzf [file].tar.gz' |
| 07:54.07 | PL0K | okay. My point was, build-essential wasn't the package that came with includes |
| 07:54.11 | nvz | PL0K: in debian we use a package management frontend like apt, aptitude, synaptic..etc. build-essential is a meta package that pulls in everything required for any build |
| 07:54.19 | Nocturn | maddash: LOL, I was looking for those names as programmes |
| 07:54.23 | Nocturn | Too focussed |
| 07:54.29 | PL0K | okay |
| 07:54.32 | nvz | !depends build-essential |
| 07:54.35 | dpkg | build-essential: depends on libc6-dev | libc-dev, gcc (>= 4:4.1.1), g++ (>= 4:4.1.1), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5) |
| 07:54.46 | nvz | it contains virtually nothing, it however depends on the packages you need |
| 07:55.04 | PL0K | Is there a place I can go to |
| 07:55.04 | nvz | PL0K: when someone tells you to get a package they don't mean manually |
| 07:55.07 | maddash | cool, !depends |
| 07:55.11 | PL0K | That makes sense |
| 07:55.15 | maddash | PL0K: yes. bed. |
| 07:55.19 | nvz | haha |
| 07:55.30 | maddash | PL0K: as root, 'aptitude install build-essential' |
| 07:55.41 | PL0K | That's neat |
| 07:55.44 | nvz | heh |
| 07:55.49 | nvz | welcome to debian |
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| 07:56.26 | Nyle | nvz: que pasta? |
| 07:56.30 | nvz | heh |
| 07:56.32 | Nyle | hehe |
| 07:56.43 | nvz | Nyle: pasta sounds good right about now |
| 07:56.50 | Nyle | man you know what I crave |
| 07:56.58 | Nyle | our jr. high cafeteria had it on wednesdays |
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| 07:57.17 | Nyle | pasta with liquid cheese and meatsauce and buns and choc milk |
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| 07:57.18 | Nyle | mmm |
| 07:57.48 | nvz | ugh, the pasta at sk00l was nasty, just undercooked spaghetti with a runny watered down tomato sauce |
| 07:57.55 | Nyle | nah |
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| 07:58.07 | Nyle | our cafetaria was #1 in the nation |
| 07:58.16 | Nyle | so was our school I think. something like that |
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| 07:58.28 | nvz | I don't like mac & cheese other than the kraft stuff. for some reason I like the powder cheese |
| 07:58.28 | Nyle | Jefferson Jr. High |
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| 07:58.35 | nvz | I am not real fond of cheese |
| 07:58.43 | Nyle | I like veleeta |
| 07:58.47 | nvz | I am italian, I eat my pasta with tomato sauce |
| 07:58.49 | Nyle | velveta |
| 07:58.59 | Nyle | I like nachos and queso |
| 07:59.04 | nvz | heh |
| 07:59.11 | Nyle | hehe |
| 07:59.21 | Nyle | man fuck now I got the munchies |
| 07:59.31 | nvz | I had the munchies ever since I woke up |
| 07:59.39 | Nyle | I got some white widow |
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| 07:59.45 | Nyle | crazy good |
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| 08:00.00 | Nyle | its so white man so much hair |
| 08:00.13 | nvz | but its late and I ate before I took a nap which was only like an hour long so I just grabed a cookie and brushed my teeth and figured I'd wait till like breakfast time |
| 08:00.28 | Nyle | whoah |
| 08:00.31 | Nyle | its 3am already |
| 08:00.32 | Nyle | shit |
| 08:00.45 | nvz | yeah, well .. I can wait about 3 more hours I guess |
| 08:00.47 | Nyle | i was stoned and i played guitar for like 3 hours |
| 08:00.48 | Nyle | wow |
| 08:00.51 | nvz | heh |
| 08:00.54 | Nyle | i lost track of time |
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| 08:01.01 | PL0K | Is there a channel I can get detailed answers to my questions here? |
| 08:01.08 | PL0K | (on freenode) |
| 08:01.09 | nvz | I asked my neighbor to let me borrow a capo cause I've been using a cigar tube and a rubber band |
| 08:01.17 | nvz | PL0K: what questions? |
| 08:01.18 | maddash | PL0K: what do you want *now*? |
| 08:01.18 | Nyle | lol |
| 08:01.25 | Nyle | cigar tube and rubber band omg |
| 08:01.35 | nvz | idk, it was the best I could do |
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| 08:01.41 | PL0K | I want to know the exact name of the .deb file that contains includes, because I do not have a Debian CD |
| 08:01.57 | maddash | PL0K: do you know what a terminal is? |
| 08:02.00 | Nyle | PL0K: search packages.debian.org |
| 08:02.17 | Nyle | !tell PL0K -about search |
| 08:02.17 | PL0K | Nyle: thanks! That's what I was looking for |
| 08:02.29 | PL0K | But I al;ready went there though |
| 08:02.35 | Nyle | search harder |
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| 08:02.39 | thegame | Anybody got any recommendations for smartphones that natively run linux? |
| 08:02.40 | nvz | PL0K: yes, for one thing you can seach packages.debian.org, for another there is another #debian on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:02.43 | PL0K | I did a search for include, includes, header, and headers and came out with nothing |
| 08:02.46 | maddash | PL0K: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=asm/io.h&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 08:02.54 | maddash | file search ^^ |
| 08:02.55 | bidha2kbsd | hi .. my ssh client disconnect with timeout..how can set the sshd to not get timeout |
| 08:03.30 | nvz | bidha2kbsd: have a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 08:03.48 | nvz | I've noticed shitty router boxes will cause it to happen anyhow |
| 08:04.13 | nvz | if you've got a linksys router between you on either end it will drop the connection after like 5 min of inactivity |
| 08:04.20 | nvz | even with TCPKeepAlive on |
| 08:04.36 | Nyle | ddwrt ftw |
| 08:04.43 | nvz | I haven't figured out a better workaround than running a watch command in screen |
| 08:04.44 | PL0K | Thank you! That answered my question. |
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| 08:05.28 | Nyle | hacking hacker hacks hacked hacker |
| 08:05.33 | nvz | PL0K: you should have asked a more specific question apt-get install build-essential is a valid answer if you would have asked how to search for a file in a package we would have told you that |
| 08:06.00 | maddash | PL0K: or, if you want some include file BESIDES stdio.h, then say so. |
| 08:06.02 | Nyle | i just ate a hamburgue |
| 08:06.07 | Nyle | it wasn't very good |
| 08:06.12 | VincentC | is there any way to sync my bookmarks at school with my bookmarks at home? |
| 08:06.20 | nvz | because without installing build-essential which also installs the compiler the headers aren't of much use |
| 08:06.28 | Nyle | VincentC: check for some online firefox extention |
| 08:06.29 | Nyle | maybe |
| 08:06.37 | nvz | VincentC: do you use google? i.e. have an account? |
| 08:06.39 | maddash | 'echo logout >> ${HOME}/.bashrc; logout;' has got to be the funniest trick ever. |
| 08:06.40 | Nyle | VincentC: or upload your bookmarks.html somewhere |
| 08:06.48 | nvz | VincentC: I keep all my bookmarks on my igoogle |
| 08:06.49 | VincentC | i have an account |
| 08:07.02 | nvz | VincentC: there are many bookmarks gadgets for igoogle |
| 08:07.07 | Nyle | ijoogle |
| 08:07.19 | Nyle | i pronouce it joogle cuz its funner that way |
| 08:07.27 | VincentC | hmmmmmmm didn't realize google was offered this service |
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| 08:07.37 | Nyle | yes joogle kicks buttocks |
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| 08:07.52 | maddash | VincentC: heard of del.icio.us? |
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| 08:08.00 | nvz | heh, I still call Leenucks Lin-ucks, and I spell out GNU cause Gah-noo just sounds silly to me |
| 08:08.02 | Nyle | i like stumble upon |
| 08:08.12 | Nyle | i say GNU also |
| 08:08.22 | VincentC | i've heard of delicious but i think all the bookmarks are public |
| 08:08.24 | Nyle | i also just say nome instaead of guhnome |
| 08:08.32 | nvz | VincentC: google offers like everything, and if not they got an online gadget development environment |
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| 08:09.10 | nvz | I only used it once to write a gadget that would translate text inline without going to another page or poping up a window, and would flip directions with a push of a button |
| 08:09.17 | VincentC | i don't really want to share but perhaps there is an option to keep the bookmarks to yourself |
| 08:09.19 | maddash | I hate it when people (read :blondes with bosoms) tote the word, "lin-ECKS" haphazardly |
| 08:09.30 | nvz | cause when you translate something automatically I found its best to translate it back and make sure it still means the same thing.. heh |
| 08:09.31 | VincentC | the tagging functionality would be awesome though |
| 08:09.46 | VincentC | system, or whatever tagging is |
| 08:09.55 | Nyle | or you could be like the fone jacker |
| 08:10.03 | Nyle | yes i would like to buy a doovde player |
| 08:10.18 | Nyle | can i have the phone number for hoomve |
| 08:10.40 | nvz | if I was a blonde with a bosom I would probably be a whore and not pronounce linux at all |
| 08:10.48 | Nyle | i need also a lukdtiv |
| 08:11.07 | Nyle | nvz: what is tulsa backwards? |
| 08:11.13 | nvz | heh |
| 08:11.27 | Nyle | a slut |
| 08:11.30 | Nyle | hehe |
| 08:11.31 | nvz | I still remember my short time in Tulsa |
| 08:11.34 | nvz | what a town |
| 08:11.38 | Nyle | whats a slut backwards? |
| 08:11.44 | Nyle | a hundred bucks |
| 08:11.45 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 08:11.50 | PL0K | Is there an environment variable for includes, like LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for libs? |
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| 08:11.59 | Nyle | i think i ate too much |
| 08:12.37 | nvz | I think plok skipped C class |
| 08:12.52 | Nyle | nvz: you must have long har |
| 08:12.54 | Nyle | hair |
| 08:13.05 | nvz | I do, past my shoulders |
| 08:13.14 | Nyle | you also wear glasses |
| 08:13.19 | nvz | nope |
| 08:13.26 | nvz | I used to, but I lost both pais |
| 08:13.30 | nvz | pairs even |
| 08:13.37 | Nyle | do you wear a baseball cap backwards |
| 08:13.44 | nvz | nope I don't like hats |
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| 08:13.57 | Nyle | you have exactly 2.7 tattoos |
| 08:14.01 | nvz | heh |
| 08:14.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 08:14.06 | nvz | I have no tattoos |
| 08:14.14 | Nyle | im bored |
| 08:14.18 | nvz | I can tell |
| 08:14.38 | nvz | I am too, but ironically I came here to talk debian |
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| 08:14.47 | Nyle | carry on |
| 08:14.57 | maddash | PL0K: christ, if you can barely handle the african word for, 'humanity,' then just use the aptitude command. this isn't windows, geez. |
| 08:15.01 | nvz | I actually wanted to go pirate that movie Untraceable but seemed too much like work |
| 08:15.13 | maddash | nvz: release date? |
| 08:15.14 | nvz | seems interesting and I don't feel like waiting till the end of january to see it |
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| 08:15.18 | Nyle | mininova |
| 08:15.21 | nvz | Jan 25, 2008 |
| 08:15.21 | maddash | 1/2008? |
| 08:15.25 | maddash | hmm.... |
| 08:15.40 | Nyle | prawn |
| 08:15.58 | nvz | seems like a saw type movie but more geeky |
| 08:16.26 | maddash | nvz: sorrry, no chance. not even a screener. |
| 08:16.29 | nvz | the killer puts a webcam on teh victims and a hit counter device that makes them die faster for each visitor to the site |
| 08:16.49 | nvz | I found stuff when I was looking around but I don't have a torrent client on here |
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| 08:17.28 | nvz | site is like killwithme.com or something.. sounds pretty interesting |
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| 08:17.55 | nvz | I figure I'll watch it and just get pissed off at how unrealistic the shit is technology wise |
| 08:18.11 | nvz | in the preview it shows the guy hacking into the FBI lady's car |
| 08:18.36 | acu | is Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor a 64 bit processor (which debian should I use) |
| 08:19.02 | nvz | acu: its up to you. either and i386 or an amd64 |
| 08:19.11 | nvz | acu: depends on if you want to run 64bit or not |
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| 08:19.40 | Penix | I can't believe it's been 5+ years since the perl 5.8 transition. crazy....makes me feel old |
| 08:19.41 | acu | nvz: so it is a 64 bit processor |
| 08:19.55 | nvz | acu: I know, you said that already |
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| 08:20.12 | acu | nvz: no, I am asking whether is 64 or not |
| 08:20.13 | nvz | acu: but you can run 32bit software if you want, but if you run 64bit debian, you can't |
| 08:20.13 | xsdg | Penix: I know |
| 08:20.31 | nvz | acu: you said its a 64 bit, I'm just taking your word for it |
| 08:20.32 | xsdg | nvz: that's not entirely true |
| 08:20.36 | _12inch | ok so i got this ROOTED box ..... running tirqd ..... its running a web server ..... how can i located the base directory for the files in that "Website" ?? |
| 08:20.42 | maddash | fecking ISP |
| 08:20.48 | xsdg | _12inch: fuser? |
| 08:20.55 | _12inch | whats fuser ? |
| 08:20.55 | nvz | oh wait I guess you were asking a question, just lacked a question mark and I read it wrong |
| 08:21.01 | blubberdiblub | nvz: well, the word order suggested a question, although he forgot the question mark |
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| 08:21.17 | xsdg | _12inch: checks open files |
| 08:21.18 | _12inch | well its got 2 exploits i think ... t0rn .. and tirq |
| 08:21.21 | nvz | xsdg: well I've noticed you can accomplish most things in a chroot or with ia32 libs |
| 08:21.26 | maddash | _12inch: man tirqd? |
| 08:21.26 | _12inch | xsdg .. cool thanks |
| 08:21.32 | xsdg | nvz: yeah |
| 08:21.38 | nvz | xsdg: but there are still things that don't seem to work |
| 08:21.40 | maddash | _12inch: it's usually /var/www/* |
| 08:21.42 | xsdg | maddash: I doubt most exploits install manpages :o) |
| 08:21.51 | xsdg | nvz: true |
| 08:22.54 | nvz | acu: well for you to ask that question you need to be more specific, cause Intel Pentium is a family of processors over like a decade of time, and Dual-Core only narrows it down very little to still several families of processors, thats not an actual model |
| 08:23.18 | maddash | nvz: I think he meant pentium d |
| 08:23.29 | simonrvn | dual-core just means 2 procs per die... |
| 08:23.29 | maddash | nvz: those are the only dual cores, I think |
| 08:23.33 | nvz | acu: in any case wikipedia is your friend |
| 08:23.45 | nvz | maddash: core 2 duo? |
| 08:23.55 | maddash | simonrvn: true, I was making a guess to acu's original query |
| 08:24.03 | maddash | nvz: core 2 duo != pentium * |
| 08:24.07 | simonrvn | maddash: sure |
| 08:24.08 | nvz | ah |
| 08:24.09 | acu | I have to major frustrations - I bought a gorgeous HP Pavillion DV9627 with AMDX264 Turion 2G ram etc - however it has a broadcom wireless 1490 (or something like this) and a hp webcam (chicony chip I think with usb) - and I can't make either work - wireless is useless, and so is the beautifull webcam - any help is highly appreciated |
| 08:24.50 | nvz | !laptop |
| 08:24.50 | dpkg | somebody said laptop was All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 08:25.14 | nvz | !ndiswrapper |
| 08:25.14 | dpkg | methinks ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:25.19 | simonrvn | tip to having linux support stuff: wait 6 months after it's been out, then get it, otherwise *pain* |
| 08:25.26 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 08:25.42 | Penix | like oldworld ppc ;) |
| 08:25.42 | simonrvn | unless you want to, to help figure this stuff out :) |
| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | heh heh |
| 08:25.58 | maddash | acu: the webcam is definitely supported. get the identification info, and google for its (linux) driver |
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| 08:26.50 | acu | maddash: how can I get the identification for the chicony |
| 08:27.02 | nvz | acu: lsusb |
| 08:27.12 | nvz | the more -v you put on there the more info you get -vvv |
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| 08:27.29 | xsdg | nvz: lsusb `yes -v` |
| 08:27.59 | maddash | xsdg: -v doesn't sit well with 'yes' |
| 08:28.09 | xsdg | maddash: aww, `yes -- -v`? |
| 08:28.22 | xsdg | nvz: "the more -v you put on there, the more info you get" :o) |
| 08:28.22 | maddash | xsdg: haha. |
| 08:28.41 | nvz | yeah, this is falling like yards away from me |
| 08:28.43 | _12inch | ok so i installed psmisc ... to get fuser |
| 08:28.59 | _12inch | did fuser 8080/tcp ... since the thing is listening on that port |
| 08:29.15 | xsdg | nvz: the 'yes' command just spews out "yes", or its first argument ad infinitum |
| 08:29.17 | _12inch | it shows some processes ... that have /etc/tirqd |
| 08:29.31 | _12inch | but i dont see /etc/tirqd in the filesystem |
| 08:29.36 | _12inch | can it be hidden somehow ? |
| 08:29.37 | _12inch | :( |
| 08:29.44 | nvz | xsdg: oh, I never used it before |
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| 08:29.58 | xsdg | _12inch: what's the modtime on your `ls` binary? |
| 08:30.10 | nvz | whats with all the backticks? |
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| 08:30.44 | blubberdiblub | nvz: puts the output of the command on the command line where you want to have it |
| 08:30.47 | xsdg | nvz: I use backticks to quote commands |
| 08:30.54 | nvz | blubberdiblub: I know |
| 08:30.57 | nvz | its fugly |
| 08:31.11 | xsdg | _12inch: what if you run `echo /etc/*/`? |
| 08:31.17 | nvz | I use $() cause its not as easily confused |
| 08:31.27 | blubberdiblub | that's a good point |
| 08:31.27 | maddash | holy crap, 'i am legend' screener |
| 08:31.31 | nvz | depending on your font and context backticks can be really messy |
| 08:31.57 | blubberdiblub | like multiple levels of backticks ... hell |
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| 08:32.51 | nvz | I used to always prefix commands with ~$ or ~# in irc to indicate if they were to be run as root or a normal user |
| 08:33.07 | nvz | but then again anyone who wouldn't know better on their own probably wouldn't understand |
| 08:33.08 | _12inch | xsdg .... well the time when i do a ls for it is Jan 30, 2007 |
| 08:33.16 | _12inch | but the owner is "500" and not "root" npw |
| 08:33.18 | _12inch | now |
| 08:33.26 | _12inch | so i guess its been messed with |
| 08:33.29 | maddash | nvz: yes, and in doing so, you've become archnemesis of your shift keys |
| 08:33.30 | xsdg | _12inch: yeah, probably |
| 08:33.43 | xsdg | _12inch: try using echo like I mentioned above |
| 08:33.43 | _12inch | solution to getting a new "ls" command on there ? |
| 08:33.56 | xsdg | _12inch: `echo /etc/*/` |
| 08:33.59 | _12inch | didnt see you mention echo |
| 08:34.01 | _12inch | ok |
| 08:34.07 | nvz | I use the left shift key most of the time |
| 08:34.21 | Penix | I was thinking about that the other day |
| 08:34.26 | Penix | I almost never use the right one |
| 08:34.43 | xsdg | I always use the right one and not the left one |
| 08:34.54 | nvz | hmm, I thought I was the only one who thinks about stupid shit like that |
| 08:34.57 | maddash | nvz: ah, a tyrant and a bigot, I see. |
| 08:34.59 | Penix | xsdg: are you right or left handed? |
| 08:35.00 | maddash | nvz: :P |
| 08:35.08 | Guerin | Penix: the answer is `yes' |
| 08:35.15 | nvz | I over analyse everything especially my own behavior |
| 08:35.15 | Penix | yeah, I figured that already... |
| 08:35.18 | Penix | !lose peterrooney |
| 08:35.18 | dpkg | peterrooney: You Lose. |
| 08:35.20 | xsdg | Penix: right-handed |
| 08:35.22 | Penix | hmm. close enough |
| 08:35.47 | blubberdiblub | well, there would also be ambidextrous ... |
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| 08:36.24 | _12inch | xsdg ... using echo doesnt show it either |
| 08:36.24 | maddash | or mixed-handed |
| 08:36.33 | nvz | I asked my friend about that the other day when we were having a lan party and I noticed we were both holding our keyboard/mouse the same way even though he's lefty and I'm righty |
| 08:36.49 | maddash | nvz: kismet. |
| 08:36.52 | xsdg | _12inch: what's the modtime for your shell? :o) |
| 08:37.01 | xsdg | _12inch: it's also possible that they unlinked the directory |
| 08:37.04 | nvz | kismet is useless to me |
| 08:37.18 | maddash | nvz: not the program - the word |
| 08:37.20 | nvz | it seems to need one of 3 special pieces of hardware to do anything |
| 08:37.24 | Penix | wifi is the work of the devil |
| 08:37.25 | nvz | ah |
| 08:37.27 | maddash | [sigh] |
| 08:37.40 | nvz | I didn't even know kismet was a word |
| 08:37.49 | Guerin | blubberdiblub: ambidextrous people always favour one hand or other |
| 08:38.03 | maddash | yes. a serendipitous meeting of lovers. |
| 08:38.18 | blubberdiblub | Guerin: is that a rule? |
| 08:38.19 | maddash | Guerin: no, that's defined as mixed-handed. |
| 08:38.19 | nvz | you could just say fate |
| 08:38.48 | maddash | nvz: i was being cheeky. see? |
| 08:38.57 | Guerin | maddash: nope, mixed-handed means different hands for different tasks - for instance, a cricketer who bats right-handed and bowls left-handed |
| 08:39.00 | nvz | no, but whatever |
| 08:39.07 | nvz | I got a new vocabulary word out of it |
| 08:39.08 | Guerin | i knwo this because my brother is ambidextrous |
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| 08:39.36 | Guerin | he favours his right, but can adapt to do anything with his left given a little while to practice |
| 08:39.46 | blubberdiblub | Guerin: well, i mean, why can't there be ambidextrous people who don't favor one hand or the other? |
| 08:40.05 | maddash | blubberdiblub: what if the pole isnt long enough for both hands? |
| 08:40.12 | nvz | I can write just as well with both hands, but thats not saying much :P |
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| 08:40.15 | Guerin | blubberdiblub: because when you analyse anything closely enough, it is revealed to be imperfect |
| 08:40.24 | nvz | if you seen my writing thats like saying I can masturbate with both hands |
| 08:40.30 | acu | it seem that broadcom has their wireless in more than80% of laptops - why we do not have yet a driver for them built in the kernel ? |
| 08:40.43 | Guerin | acu: because broadcom are shit. |
| 08:40.47 | blubberdiblub | Guerin: ah well, if you look at it that way :) |
| 08:40.51 | Guerin | (the company, and the chipset) |
| 08:41.07 | Penix | acu: send a written letter to them, asking the same basic question |
| 08:41.12 | Guerin | acu: the other answer is `because you haven't written it yet' |
| 08:41.19 | maddash | acu: bcm4330x? or something like that? have you got bash completion?? 'modinfo bcm<tab key>" |
| 08:41.26 | nvz | acu: we have ndiswrapper for cards that are a PITA |
| 08:41.38 | Guerin | yes, a PITA to deal with a PITA |
| 08:41.47 | nvz | heh |
| 08:41.52 | Guerin | better to just rip the fucker out and get a ralink |
| 08:42.00 | itai | hi, i have a problem running SCIM (chinese input) on debian etch. I suspect the source of the problemn is my local setting. i dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose en_US as my default but whenever i run `local | grep LANG=` i get LANG=C. |
| 08:42.02 | _12inch | hey what package would have the "ls" command in it ? |
| 08:42.09 | Guerin | or better yet, buy a decent laptop in the first place |
| 08:42.12 | nvz | so you'd suggest surgery on a laptop over ndiswrapper? |
| 08:42.15 | maddash | _12inch: bash? |
| 08:42.18 | Guerin | _12inch: the `search' package, about which dpkg will tell you |
| 08:42.32 | _12inch | i searched for ls |
| 08:42.37 | xsdg | _12inch: coreutils |
| 08:42.37 | _12inch | it listed about 100000 things :) |
| 08:42.41 | _12inch | thanks man |
| 08:42.42 | _12inch | heheh |
| 08:42.47 | Guerin | itai: log out and back in after changing locales? |
| 08:42.53 | xsdg | _12inch: "dpkg -S `which ls`" |
| 08:42.57 | itai | Guerin, many times... |
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| 08:43.17 | Guerin | itai: export LANG=foo; try again |
| 08:43.28 | Guerin | itai: it might be that some config file is manually setting it to C |
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| 08:43.39 | Guerin | or that the locale hasn't been properly generated |
| 08:43.46 | _12inch | well .. if i remove coreutils |
| 08:43.52 | Guerin | then you fail |
| 08:43.56 | _12inch | will that remove stuff that i need to install it again ? :) |
| 08:43.58 | xsdg | _12inch: apt-get --reinstall install coreutils |
| 08:44.03 | _12inch | i suck ! |
| 08:44.08 | itai | Guerin, erm ,sorry, do you mean run a command `export LANG=foo` |
| 08:44.14 | Guerin | itai: yes |
| 08:44.23 | Guerin | itai: but not foo, en_US or whatever |
| 08:44.24 | erpo | Hi all. A member of my LUG is having trouble with an apt-get upgrade. He gets the following output when he tries: http://pastebin.com/d505cefbf I've googled for the important-sounding parts of the error message but I get zero hits. What's going wrong here, and how can he fix it? |
| 08:44.44 | itai | Guerin, as root? |
| 08:44.57 | erpo | Whoops, never mind. |
| 08:44.59 | Guerin | itai: no, as your user |
| 08:45.00 | nvz | I mean it kinda looks like she turned on the radio and started having a seizure |
| 08:45.08 | erpo | I just realized this output is from an ubuntu machine. I'll try in that channel. |
| 08:45.27 | Guerin | erpo: read the script which is failing - /var/lib/dpkg/info/findutils.postinst |
| 08:45.36 | Guerin | erpo: bah. |
| 08:45.44 | Guerin | erpo: same logic should apply, but yes - ask there |
| 08:46.03 | nvz | wow, now there's a rare breed |
| 08:46.14 | Penix | heh. you got tricked in to helping an ubuntu user |
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| 08:46.37 | erpo | I tricked nobody. :( |
| 08:46.48 | Penix | erpo: just joking |
| 08:46.53 | nvz | erpo: na, its cool |
| 08:47.10 | Guerin | but it's not fair to flame him because he didn't know he was one, and he did the right thing when he became aware |
| 08:47.10 | maddash | Penix: who the heck are you? and why isn't there a !maddashstrike? |
| 08:47.13 | nvz | gotta respect someone having the sense to ask the ubuntu people |
| 08:47.26 | Penix | maddash: who the hell are *you*? |
| 08:47.27 | Guerin | maddash: penix invented *strike and *smites |
| 08:47.40 | Penix | well, I inspired them...somehow |
| 08:47.43 | Guerin | maddash: show some respeck to yer eldahz |
| 08:47.54 | maddash | !penixstrike Penix |
| 08:47.54 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Penix to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:47.54 | nvz | !yinzersmite maddash |
| 08:47.58 | maddash | how's that for irony? |
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| 08:48.04 | maddash | :P |
| 08:48.12 | nvz | my smite needs updating |
| 08:48.19 | maddash | 'yinzer'? |
| 08:48.28 | nvz | I've been back in town long enough I should have remember how to talk right innat |
| 08:48.40 | nvz | maddash: http://www.pittsburghese.com/ should be able to clear that up |
| 08:48.53 | nvz | its the local language |
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| 08:49.34 | Guerin | language is a strong word |
| 08:49.39 | nvz | If you ever watched a Stillers game and herd the announcer you'd know what pittsburghese is |
| 08:49.44 | nvz | well its like a pidgin |
| 08:49.54 | Guerin | dialeck |
| 08:49.55 | acu | guys I have done lsusb in a laptop and find no manufacturer for my builtin webcam |
| 08:50.19 | Guerin | acu: consult the manufacturer's documentation |
| 08:50.22 | nvz | acu: then maybe its not USB |
| 08:50.28 | Guerin | nvz: bu the way ... speaking of languages |
| 08:51.19 | nvz | ... ? |
| 08:51.20 | acu | nvz: I know is USB, since HP does not have any details - is only HP webcam USB - that I know - I asked also tech support and told me is a chicony chip |
| 08:51.44 | nvz | if it were USB it would show up in the output of lsusb |
| 08:51.50 | acu | now when I do lsusb I found something like this bcdDEvice 1.00 iManufacurere2 |
| 08:52.03 | nvz | it may not show a manufacturer name, but it would have a vend/prod id code |
| 08:52.59 | nvz | Guerin: do you realize you stopped typing? heh |
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| 08:53.35 | nvz | Its like when a Texan says "Boy I tell you whut..." then just shuts up |
| 08:53.50 | _12inch | ok so heres something .... theres some default web page on the port the trojan is listening to .... and it displays some images .... when i search for the name of the image in the file system i cant find it :| |
| 08:54.09 | _12inch | is that what youre talking about when you said maybe its location was unlinked ? |
| 08:54.16 | _12inch | how could i find that again |
| 08:54.31 | nvz | I wasn't talking about anything of the sort, and I have no clue what you are talking about |
| 08:54.50 | Guerin | nvz: feayn.org/~lewis/barking.txt |
| 08:55.00 | erpo | _12inch: I have no idea what kind of context surrounds your problem, but have you considered the possibility that the web page and images are built into the binary? |
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| 08:55.15 | _12inch | well dude ... no i havent ! |
| 08:55.21 | nocturn | Hi guys |
| 08:55.23 | _12inch | good idea tho |
| 08:55.24 | Guerin | nvz: a comp I ran at work to see who among my team of media analysts could come up with the most Barking Mad quote of the week - the second is the one to which I refer your attention |
| 08:55.43 | nocturn | I'm looking for a way to close an existing session on a DVD |
| 08:55.55 | Guerin | nvz: ask in a dvd authoring channel |
| 08:55.56 | nvz | Guerin: is the formatting suppose to be all off, or is it just cause I opened it in IE? |
| 08:55.57 | erpo | nocturn: growisofs can do it. |
| 08:56.00 | Guerin | nocturn: you do that too |
| 08:56.04 | nvz | heh |
| 08:56.11 | Guerin | nvz: it's a textfile |
| 08:56.21 | nvz | yeah it looks like crap in IE |
| 08:56.21 | nocturn | erpo, Guerin: Do you know what switch would cause it to do that? |
| 08:56.28 | nvz | I'll wget it I guess |
| 08:56.31 | Guerin | nocturn: oh, same in firefox |
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| 08:56.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:56.49 | erpo | nocturn: Not off hand. However, if you read man growisofs it's one of the sample commands given in the "EXAMPLES" section. |
| 08:57.14 | nvz | hmm looks like crap in my editor too, |
| 08:57.21 | xsdg | heh |
| 08:57.39 | _12inch | anyone want to go look on the box and see what they can turn up ? :) |
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| 08:57.52 | _12inch | id like to see what was going on before its blown away |
| 08:58.17 | nvz | _12inch: heh I feel the same way when it comes to security |
| 08:58.45 | _12inch | unfortunately its not really my forte :( |
| 08:58.48 | nvz | I rather see what you're trying to do than stop you |
| 08:59.02 | nocturn | It fails |
| 08:59.05 | nocturn | :-( unable to pread64(2) primary volume descriptor: Input/output error |
| 08:59.14 | Guerin | nvz: better now |
| 08:59.37 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 08:59.37 | dpkg | i guess i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
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| 09:00.48 | nvz | Guerin: Idk, that sounds like our president |
| 09:00.50 | xsdg | _12inch: can you find the binary? if so, do you get anything interesting by running `strings` on it and then grepping? |
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| 09:01.00 | Guerin | nvz: is he an English-speaking language? |
| 09:01.16 | nvz | Guerin: yeah, I think so.. he's something |
| 09:01.44 | MytE | hey if someone tried to send me a msg then try again |
| 09:01.50 | MytE | i wasnt using a registered nick :) |
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| 09:03.20 | nvz | Guerin: chimpomatic.net I have it on myspace and igoogle, ammuses and terrifies me at the same time |
| 09:03.30 | nvz | actually I believe I took it off myspace |
| 09:03.38 | nvz | flash is evil |
| 09:03.53 | telexicon | hey um.. that factoid is broken |
| 09:04.03 | nvz | though the google gadget I have to refresh the whole page to get a new quote |
| 09:04.12 | telexicon | the link is 404 .. "tell me about debian packages" or something like that |
| 09:04.21 | nvz | !debian packages |
| 09:04.36 | Guerin | telexicon: which one? |
| 09:04.40 | telexicon | whichever one tells you about the maintainer guide |
| 09:04.50 | nvz | !maint guide |
| 09:04.51 | Guerin | telexicon: what did you actually ask dpkg? |
| 09:04.56 | telexicon | it was a long time ago |
| 09:05.03 | nvz | oops.. heh |
| 09:05.06 | telexicon | and somebody else did it.. tell telexicon about.. |
| 09:05.12 | Guerin | telexicon: then we'll wait until someone can pinpoint the right one |
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| 09:05.18 | telexicon | !package basics |
| 09:05.18 | dpkg | methinks package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 09:05.21 | Guerin | because there are a dozen or so factoirs which refer to that guide |
| 09:05.26 | Guerin | ah |
| 09:05.27 | telexicon | the FAQ link |
| 09:05.39 | nvz | !package info |
| 09:05.47 | Guerin | telexicon: worksforme |
| 09:05.54 | telexicon | you dont get 404? |
| 09:05.59 | Guerin | nope |
| 09:06.04 | nvz | heh |
| 09:06.04 | nvz | iaft |
| 09:06.09 | telexicon | oh |
| 09:06.16 | telexicon | its my irc client including the comma |
| 09:06.30 | Guerin | stupid irc clickable links |
| 09:06.31 | telexicon | interesting |
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| 09:06.49 | telexicon | darn conveniences |
| 09:06.59 | Guerin | i'll take death, please |
| 09:07.05 | nvz | !package basics ~= s.html,.html. |
| 09:07.09 | Guerin | yo0u can have your convenience |
| 09:07.22 | nvz | !package basics =~ s.html,.html. |
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| 09:07.30 | Guerin | nvz: / or # |
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| 09:07.45 | Guerin | it doesn't take a . as delimiter |
| 09:07.53 | nvz | !package basics ~= s#html,#html# |
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| 09:08.01 | nvz | !package basics =~ s#html,#html# |
| 09:08.01 | dpkg | OK, nvz |
| 09:08.04 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:08.14 | nvz | it takes : too I believe |
| 09:08.20 | Guerin | oh, might do |
| 09:08.20 | nvz | I figured . would work |
| 09:08.32 | nvz | I always forget where to put the damn ~ |
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| 09:09.03 | nvz | to me ~ in that kind of context means approximately, and it sounds right saying it before the equals |
| 09:09.22 | nvz | though I guess thats not what it means in this sense |
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| 09:15.26 | duriel | hello, i have a problem installing bind9 |
| 09:16.10 | duriel | http://rafb.net/p/yPzngt77.html |
| 09:16.26 | duriel | and in /etc/bind, i have only rndc.key file |
| 09:16.49 | Guerin | duriel: you probably need to configure it or somesuch |
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| 09:17.12 | duriel | well when i install the package |
| 09:17.12 | Guerin | duriel: does the install process exit non-zero? |
| 09:17.18 | duriel | yes |
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| 09:17.34 | duriel | the thing is that i dont have the named.conf and other files in /etc/bind |
| 09:17.37 | g0rd0n | i am getting this error while trying to install a package: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/courier-authlib_0.58-4_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/courierlogger.1.gz', which is also in package psa-courier-imap |
| 09:17.38 | Guerin | duriel: more detail required as to why it failed. |
| 09:17.45 | Guerin | duriel: try posting the complete output |
| 09:17.51 | duriel | thats the complete output |
| 09:17.51 | duriel | :) |
| 09:17.52 | g0rd0n | how can i force the package to install anyway? i dont care if a man file gets overwritten... |
| 09:18.01 | itai | Guerin, do i need to restart x to `feel` dpkg-reconfigure locales effects? |
| 09:18.11 | Guerin | g0rd0n: that shouldn't happen if you're using official debian repositories |
| 09:18.30 | Guerin | itai: notn necessarily. Only for X apps, I think (but even so I'm not sure) |
| 09:18.44 | g0rd0n | Guerin: i know, psa-courier-imap is not from debian, but i need it... so there's no way around, but i want to install courier-authlib! |
| 09:20.01 | Guerin | g0rd0n: ok. Use --force-overwrite option to dpkg (in aptitude, RTFM and see the -O switch). But don't blame us if it impregnates your cat. |
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| 09:21.01 | duriel | Dec 22 11:16:35 contasist named[3278]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: file not found |
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| 09:21.26 | duriel | why i dont have the files in /etc/bind ? |
| 09:22.21 | Guerin | !htfswk duriel |
| 09:22.21 | dpkg | duriel: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 09:22.32 | duriel | cool |
| 09:22.34 | Guerin | duriel: are you using an official debian package? |
| 09:22.38 | duriel | yes |
| 09:22.52 | duriel | the thing is..i removed bind9 and rm -rf /etc/bind |
| 09:22.56 | duriel | and now when i tried to install again |
| 09:22.56 | Guerin | duriel: probably something went wrong. Without more information it's hard to say what. |
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| 09:28.16 | g0rd0n | Guerin: damn, i impregnated my cat haha |
| 09:28.45 | yos87 | Hi, I have problem, when I try to install any packages, or when I open Synaptic, It say another packages using the lock, or something like this |
| 09:28.59 | Guerin | g0rd0n: i hope you used protection |
| 09:30.50 | xsdg | Guerin: obviously not, unless it broke |
| 09:31.05 | bullgard4 | sleep.sh will print in the terminal to the left of most output lines plus signs. I presume these plus signs indicate some level of program nesting. Where are these plus signs explained in man bash? (Difficult to find for me.) |
| 09:31.41 | Guerin | xsdg: you've obviously thought this through. |
| 09:31.59 | Guerin | bullgard4: ask in #bash |
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| 09:34.23 | g0rd0n | Guerin: yes but it broke :D |
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| 09:34.56 | Guerin | g0rd0n: use more lube next time |
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| 09:48.58 | dfds__ | hi, how can I remove druid cd/dvd ? |
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| 09:50.18 | itai | Guerin, hi, i exported lang to en_US, run dpkg-reconfigure locales, restarted X but still locales | grep LANG= |
| 09:50.19 | Guerin | WTF is druid? |
| 09:50.19 | epsilon | druid? |
| 09:50.45 | nvz | shitty partition util that redhat used back in like 5.2 days |
| 09:50.47 | itai | Guerin, sorry, locales | Grep LANG=C |
| 09:50.52 | Guerin | itai: as which user did you run dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 09:51.02 | nvz | disk druid.. *shudders* |
| 09:51.08 | itai | Guerin, me |
| 09:51.24 | MytE | ok here i come again |
| 09:51.30 | Guerin | itai: hm. try grepping for LANG in all your dotfiles |
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| 09:51.38 | MytE | which package would shutdown, halt, reboot be in ? |
| 09:51.38 | Guerin | i guess one fo them is forcing the locale |
| 09:51.44 | MytE | not in coreutils right ? |
| 09:51.47 | Guerin | MytE: in dpkg -S |
| 09:51.50 | MytE | i am suffering today :( |
| 09:51.52 | MytE | i did that |
| 09:51.56 | MytE | ok look |
| 09:51.56 | Guerin | do it more |
| 09:52.14 | itai | Guerin, dotfiles? |
| 09:52.16 | MytE | ok now its good |
| 09:52.38 | Guerin | itai: like .bashrc and stuff. Anything beginning with . in your homedir. |
| 09:52.45 | Guerin | see them with ls -a |
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| 09:54.53 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I am trying to get my dns server working for skagitattic.com. I am using bind 9.3.4-2etch1. I have a few problems in reported on dnsstuff. The one I don`t know how to fix is "No NS A records at nameservers" They suggest "in BIND, you should not use 'minimal-responses yes;'" So in /etc/bind I did "cat * |grep -i minimal" but that did not turn up anything. I am using webmin to help with configuring, I have also looked at the goo |
| 09:54.53 | Gokee2 | d old config files. Any suggestions for what I should do? Thanks |
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| 09:55.43 | itai | Guerin, i suspected that...what is the syntax for the grep command here? grep LANG file? |
| 09:56.02 | Guerin | g0rd0n: my first suggestion is to purge webmin and al config files it might have fucked with. |
| 09:56.06 | Guerin | argh |
| 09:56.12 | Guerin | Gokee2: my first suggestion is to purge webmin and al config files it might have fucked with. |
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| 09:56.42 | Guerin | Gokee2: once that's done #debian might help you. But until then we ain't touchjing that with a 10-foot pole, even if it has a condom on it. |
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| 09:57.26 | Gokee2 | Guerin, Hmmm.... webmin config files looked pretty good to me |
| 09:58.11 | Guerin | Gokee2: webmin is the Universal Config File Upfucker |
| 09:58.35 | Guerin | which is but one of the reasons it was expunged from debian |
| 09:58.41 | dfds__ | druid for burn cd/dvd, I don't know whereis this packages, automaticly this instaled in debian etch, I want remove it |
| 09:59.09 | Guerin | dfds__: aptitude search druid; then aptitude remove the packages that search returns |
| 09:59.16 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 09:59.17 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 09:59.21 | Guerin | there's one |
| 10:00.29 | Gokee2 | So you think just editing by hand is the best way to go? |
| 10:00.45 | Guerin | Yes, always, in every case. Bar none. |
| 10:01.51 | Gokee2 | Hmm |
| 10:01.54 | Guerin | if you have a shitload to do, it's easy to script on a one-off basis, but NEVER rely on a program to know what config file version and format it's dealing with. |
| 10:01.57 | dfds__ | Guerin, ok, but I found only wedruid and it isn't this program, haw other way to find it. Maybe it's togather with gnome |
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| 10:02.39 | Guerin | dfds__: if it didn't show up on aptitude search druid, it's not got anything to do with druid in the package name or description, and is probably something else you're looking for. |
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| 10:03.56 | simonrvn | Gokee2: easier to change your mind now than wipe the system disk because of a break-in |
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| 10:04.48 | Gokee2 | Guerin, That post does not really say anything bad about webmin just that it was no longer going to be kept up to date because no one had the time to deal with it |
| 10:05.06 | Guerin | Gokee2: ... because it's such an insanely large job to keep it from not being shit. |
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| 10:06.01 | simonrvn | upstream was/is notorious for not accepting patches that fixed stuf in it |
| 10:06.03 | simonrvn | f |
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| 10:06.49 | Guerin | err, excise the `not' from my former statement |
| 10:06.53 | itai | Guerin, could find any LANG in any dotfiles in my homedir ,can it be anywhere else? also English is not my first language-what keywords should i use to google this problem? |
| 10:07.14 | itai | Guerin, sorry COULDNT find any LANG... |
| 10:07.48 | Gokee2 | It also has built in control for a webcontrol for users |
| 10:07.59 | Gokee2 | I guess you also think thats no good :/ |
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| 10:13.52 | dfds__ | Guerin, Yes I don't see this druid in programs, I see this only when I click in icon when I put on record to computer |
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| 10:15.42 | Guerin | dfds__: find out what it's called |
| 10:15.48 | Guerin | then rmeove it |
| 10:15.57 | maddash | 3 hrs befoer I go home |
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| 10:19.28 | dfds__ | Guerin, I find it, nutilus cd barner, but if I do remove it, aptitude wants to remove all gnome ;] |
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| 10:23.43 | Guerin | deriaN: that sound optimal to me |
| 10:24.00 | Guerin | Gokee2: postfix is pretty easy, unless you need SASL |
| 10:24.17 | Guerin | deriaN: disregard |
| 10:25.00 | Gokee2 | Ya, I have set up postfix before but never with Virtual Domains |
| 10:25.11 | Guerin | virtual is easy too |
| 10:25.21 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 10:25.21 | dpkg | somebody said postfix howto was see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
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| 10:25.32 | spx2 | where is the config to iptables ? |
| 10:25.42 | Gokee2 | I did do some strange routing though do to being on a dynamic ip and senting only mail that was not accepted through a dynamic ip to another server for relay |
| 10:25.43 | Guerin | those should help - no need to follow them exactly if you don't need all the sql and etc. |
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| 10:25.50 | Gokee2 | That was a real pain. |
| 10:25.54 | spx2 | how can I do this in debian "service iptables save" ? |
| 10:26.09 | spx2 | I don't seem to have any command service |
| 10:26.13 | Guerin | spx2: any number of ways |
| 10:26.22 | Guerin | service is a red hat tool |
| 10:26.33 | spx2 | Guerin: so how do I do it in debian ? |
| 10:26.39 | Guerin | spx2: any number of ways |
| 10:26.40 | spx2 | Guerin: I'm reading a howto for iptables |
| 10:26.49 | Guerin | i believe iptables itself has this functionality |
| 10:27.02 | spx2 | Guerin: actually this one http://www.howtoforge.com/internet-connection-sharing-masquerading-on-linux |
| 10:27.10 | spx2 | Guerin: and I don't know how to restart iptables |
| 10:27.18 | Guerin | the best way to run iptables is to put all your commands in a script and call the script when the interface comes up |
| 10:27.52 | Guerin | spx2: you just want NAT? |
| 10:27.55 | hoxu | spx2, iptables-save |
| 10:27.59 | spx2 | Guerin: in rc.d you mean ? |
| 10:28.00 | Guerin | aka internet connection sharing? |
| 10:28.03 | spx2 | Guerin: YES |
| 10:28.06 | spx2 | just NAT |
| 10:28.18 | Guerin | spx2: aptitude install ipmasq; get a beer, you're finished |
| 10:28.24 | spx2 | hoxu: yes I've run that |
| 10:28.37 | spx2 | hoxu: but I also need iptables-restart wich does not seem to exist |
| 10:28.59 | Guerin | ipmasq does it all for you |
| 10:29.02 | hoxu | spx2, iptables-save |iptables-restore ? But what's the point? |
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| 10:29.07 | spx2 | Guerin: but I want to know how to do it with iptables |
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| 10:29.22 | spx2 | hoxu: I'm reading this http://www.howtoforge.com/internet-connection-sharing-masquerading-on-linux |
| 10:29.30 | spx2 | hoxu: and I want to use all those commands on debian |
| 10:29.32 | Gokee2 | 2:32 I think I need to go to bed, I might feel more like editing config files then... Hopefully the clicky icons will look a little less tasty then. Night all, and thanks for the advice Guerin. |
| 10:29.35 | Guerin | !iptables |
| 10:29.35 | dpkg | iptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 10:29.38 | spx2 | hoxu: that is apparently written for redhat |
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| 10:29.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:30.08 | Guerin | spx2: feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt is a sampbe script you can edit |
| 10:30.17 | Guerin | it's well commented and comes with instructions for use |
| 10:30.18 | hoxu | spx2, I have no idea what kind of iptables wrappers red hat has, you are better off looking for a debian iptables howto or figuring the things yourself |
| 10:30.32 | Guerin | sambpe = sample |
| 10:30.36 | spx2 | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:30.48 | Guerin | welcome |
| 10:30.48 | spx2 | hoxu: would you provide one please ? |
| 10:31.03 | Guerin | Gokee2: good lux0r |
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| 10:32.51 | hoxu | spx2, I believe you were just shown a factoid that contains url to one, see above |
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| 10:35.16 | spx2 | I don't think I know what I'm doing |
| 10:35.25 | Guerin | that much seems clear |
| 10:35.30 | Guerin | the only way to know is to do |
| 10:35.36 | Guerin | and the only way to do is to know |
| 10:35.57 | spx2 | Guerin: we have a situation ... |
| 10:36.49 | hoxu | hmm, I don't know if there's a channel for relationship counseling |
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| 10:39.31 | spx2 | http://www.aboutdebian.com/share-both.gif |
| 10:39.35 | spx2 | this is what I want to do |
| 10:39.52 | spx2 | but instead of multiple pc's there and the lan switch/hub,I just have a laptop |
| 10:40.10 | spx2 | so the NIC wich is exiting the Debian is going in the laptop |
| 10:40.30 | hoxu | so forwarding and masquerade? |
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| 10:41.22 | spx2 | hoxu: I guess so |
| 10:41.42 | hoxu | ipmasq - securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling |
| 10:42.49 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:42.50 | Guerin | that is all |
| 10:43.14 | Guerin | install it on the box which connects directly to the interwebs, and on the client machines, configure that box as the default gateway |
| 10:43.18 | Guerin | it Just Works |
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| 10:45.08 | positron | Hello! I can't access Internet in my Debian, I ping www.google.com get the IP but no ping replies, can someone help? I don't know how to explain the problem better, maybe it was some package that I installed |
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| 10:45.37 | hoxu | positron, using iptables? |
| 10:45.52 | positron | I think so but I didn't touch it |
| 10:46.17 | hoxu | what about traceroute? |
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| 10:46.25 | positron | Let me see |
| 10:47.29 | Guerin | positron: where is your DNS server? local or remote? |
| 10:47.34 | positron | hoxu, traceroute only shows my router |
| 10:47.36 | peter_ | "FATAL ERROR: Cannot read disk drive" - thats what happening when I want to start cfdisk |
| 10:47.41 | Guerin | positron: if you don't know, ask the person who set up the network |
| 10:47.41 | positron | local I think |
| 10:48.08 | Guerin | positron: if it's local, that probably means connectivity outside the network is down |
| 10:48.12 | positron | Guerin, I don't know and it was I who set up the network, didn't do anything by the way |
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| 10:48.18 | Guerin | positron: so troubleshoot the peimeter |
| 10:48.30 | positron | Doesn't my router act like DNS server? |
| 10:48.33 | Guerin | perimeter, anyway |
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| 10:48.43 | Guerin | !htfswk positron |
| 10:48.43 | dpkg | positron: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:48.43 | Fluorid | hi |
| 10:48.48 | Guerin | positron: some do, some don't. |
| 10:48.48 | Fluorid | holy |
| 10:48.55 | hoxu | positron, are you sure your isp is not down and the DSL box is giving cached DNS replies? |
| 10:49.00 | Fluorid | where's the holiday spirit lads |
| 10:49.07 | Guerin | Fluorid: mostly still in the bottle |
| 10:49.10 | Fluorid | :) |
| 10:49.11 | positron | Yes, hoxu because in knoppix I have Internet |
| 10:49.23 | Guerin | positron: ah. Now we're cooking |
| 10:49.29 | hoxu | Fluorid, feel free to !penixstrike Guerin |
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| 10:49.42 | Fluorid | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 10:49.42 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:49.48 | Fluorid | lol |
| 10:49.49 | Guerin | positron: take down all your local iptables rules and add them back in one by one |
| 10:50.02 | Guerin | positron: good luck |
| 10:50.06 | Guerin | i'm off to bed |
| 10:50.16 | Guerin | and I'm taking my wet spot with me |
| 10:50.16 | Fluorid | hey, a small brain nut with the rsync.. I need to include a folder inside an excluded folder, any ideas? |
| 10:50.22 | positron | Package iptables is not installed, so not removed |
| 10:50.27 | hoxu | positron, if you have iptables rules, just turn on logging and remove it when you've added all the rules you need |
| 10:50.41 | Guerin | ok, something else is up, then |
| 10:50.46 | Guerin | might be the network is mosconfigured |
| 10:50.55 | Guerin | anyway, have fun |
| 10:50.56 | positron | It was working until one hour ago |
| 10:51.04 | positron | I was just installing packages |
| 10:51.04 | hoxu | positron, and what did you do? |
| 10:51.15 | positron | apt-get installs |
| 10:51.18 | hoxu | what kind of packages? |
| 10:51.40 | positron | Well, everybody call me idiotic but I was installing everything with a for loop |
| 10:51.49 | positron | I was in letter d |
| 10:51.50 | hoxu | !moron positron |
| 10:51.50 | dpkg | positron: You are moron #54 |
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| 10:52.13 | positron | But tried to remove dhis... and dhcp... |
| 10:52.13 | Fluorid | come on laddies, its not that serious |
| 10:52.16 | azeem | hoxu: please don't call people morons |
| 10:52.49 | positron | I left dhcpd |
| 10:52.58 | positron | Running |
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| 10:54.42 | hoxu | positron, you do realize that you can't have everything installed at once, right? |
| 10:54.49 | positron | Yeah |
| 10:54.56 | hoxu | !saturdaydoh |
| 10:54.56 | dpkg | I was aiming at my leg and pulled the trigger, now my foot hurts, WHAT DO I DO FUCKOS ?!?!?!? |
| 10:55.30 | jelly-home | positron: by "everything" you surely don't mean every available package? |
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| 10:55.30 | positron | The idea was to try as many programs as possible just to start learning, for example, if I discover that irssi is really, I stop using xchat, and things like that |
| 10:55.52 | positron | Every available package :) |
| 10:56.20 | hoxu | positron, good idea, bad execution... |
| 10:56.36 | positron | *really great |
| 10:56.45 | positron | Well, hoxu? Can you help? |
| 10:56.55 | positron | Now that I was checking I don't have dhcpd |
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| 10:57.06 | hoxu | positron, you don't need the daemon, you need the client |
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| 10:57.40 | positron | Thanks |
| 10:57.45 | positron | It was easy to solve |
| 10:57.45 | hoxu | positron, you could check /var/log/dpkg.log to see what was last installed etc |
| 10:57.55 | positron | Thanks, hoxu |
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| 10:58.41 | positron | Maybe when doing that thingy with a for loop dhcp3 removed dhcp-client |
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| 10:59.02 | hoxu | positron, consider this a lucky day then... here's a suggestion: use aptitude to install stuff manually, that way you can check if the conflicts etc will remove any existing packages |
| 10:59.29 | positron | Allright, thanks |
| 10:59.54 | hoxu | nevermind giving more advice, I'm sure he'll be back with a sore foot. |
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| 11:01.16 | jelly-home | actually, findinf the largest possible installable subset of debian is a nice problem. |
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| 11:02.34 | fundesktop | what is findinf? google revealed nothing useful |
| 11:02.35 | ajehuk | Hello folks, I'm looking for some general advice, I currently run Gentoo on a HP Ipaq (hx4700) and want to swich to Debian Arm, Im not a dev but I am hoping that it is possible to do this in a simple (ish) manner, (mainly so that everything I own can be running the same OS.. I was hoping someone here could point me in the right direction (If not then any suggestions on where to begin would help too). I had hoped there wou |
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| 11:02.59 | ajehuk | Rather than working from source. |
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| 11:04.40 | TomasuDlrrp | I'm getting some strange cpu use spikes, when running top or htop they only register as kernel cpu time in the main cpu meter, but its no assigned to any kernel threads. I can't figure out whats causing it. |
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| 11:15.13 | nvz | I don't know of any program like this for linux unfortunately http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx but the way that was coded is you can actually hover the mouse over the graphs and it will give you data about that point in time |
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| 11:16.51 | nvz | I am thinking maybe stracing a top program could tell you something |
| 11:17.22 | fundesktop | top simply uses /proc |
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| 11:17.41 | nvz | yeah I noticed when I tried it just now |
| 11:17.43 | fundesktop | also, the source is available... where's the point in stracing? |
| 11:17.50 | ale777 | hello |
| 11:17.59 | nvz | he's trying to find out what is causing a cpu spike |
| 11:18.09 | nvz | and top doesnt seem to do any accounting |
| 11:18.18 | nvz | like that program for windows I just posted a link to |
| 11:18.36 | nvz | you can go across the memory and cpu graphs and it will tell you what that area of the graph is |
| 11:18.54 | nvz | I don't know of anything like that in debian |
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| 11:19.38 | Marbug | hi I have an attansic ethernet card, but I can't get it to work :o |
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| 11:19.46 | Marbug | I found drivers for it, thoser one: http://www.mediafire.com/?amhvsn1m24b |
| 11:19.51 | Marbug | but I can't extract them :s |
| 11:19.56 | Marbug | someone who could help me ? |
| 11:19.59 | simonrvn | acct |
| 11:20.05 | simonrvn | nvz: ^^^ |
| 11:20.18 | simonrvn | then graph it, or sadc or something |
| 11:20.45 | nvz | simonrvn: interesting but I don't know if that will help him |
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| 11:21.25 | nvz | that says it writes the info when a process terminates |
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| 11:21.39 | nvz | he's saying its kernel time and he can't account for it |
| 11:21.51 | nvz | whatever it is probably isn't going to die |
| 11:22.05 | nvz | oh for fucks sake |
| 11:22.17 | dutchfish | !nethogs |
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| 11:24.06 | nvz | apparently the kiddies that are on holiday from school just learned that they can use the MyspaceIM protocol to send spam now too |
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| 11:24.23 | nvz | and pidgin gives me no defence against it but to close the damn thing |
| 11:25.28 | nvz | blah its a shitty implementation anyhow |
| 11:26.07 | nvz | I only really use it as a mail notifier for gmail/myspace anyhow and it doesn't pop anything up, I have to actually open the buddy list to see if I got mail anyhow |
| 11:26.12 | dutchfish | nvz, sorry i just dropped in, are you looking for spam prevention? |
| 11:26.32 | TomasuDlrrp | nvz: top just can't see the process that's causing the spike. |
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| 11:26.43 | nvz | na I'm just getting annoyed at fake whores telling me to come view their webcams on messages that keep popping up in my face |
| 11:26.56 | nvz | I disconnected from the protocol that they were comming from |
| 11:27.02 | nvz | so that solves it for now |
| 11:27.14 | dutchfish | ic |
| 11:28.02 | nvz | TomasuDlrrp: idk, whats your concern? |
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| 11:28.27 | positron | hoxu, it's not working... :( |
| 11:28.51 | TomasuDlrrp | nvz: getting 100% cpu spikes listed as kernel use, with none of it being assigned to any of the kernel's threads. |
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| 11:29.10 | positron | This time the problem got worse, I don't know what knoppix did but I get about 200 messages during boot time saying chdir: No such file or directory and I don't have mouse working in X |
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| 11:29.15 | TomasuDlrrp | they seem to happen every few seconds. |
| 11:29.19 | positron | And still can't use internet |
| 11:29.35 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, what kernel? |
| 11:29.37 | nvz | TomasuDlrrp: maybe you got a rootkit installed |
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| 11:30.19 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: 2.6.18-4-xen-686 |
| 11:30.30 | nvz | ah |
| 11:30.36 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, this is a dom-U or dom-0? |
| 11:30.41 | TomasuDlrrp | Dom-0 |
| 11:30.51 | nvz | I see said the blind man |
| 11:31.04 | simonrvn | to his deaf son |
| 11:31.08 | TomasuDlrrp | its causing all of the DomUs to be laggy as crap and my NFS server to lag.. |
| 11:31.26 | flinx | Hello! Is somebody know where to get glibc 2.4? |
| 11:31.53 | flinx | I can't unpack RAR archive from Debian. |
| 11:32.07 | TomasuDlrrp | debian distributes rar archives? |
| 11:32.18 | azeem | flinx: unpacking rar shouldn't concern glibc |
| 11:32.23 | azeem | TomasuDlrrp: no |
| 11:32.32 | TomasuDlrrp | didnt think so. |
| 11:32.34 | nvz | flinx: what does that have to do with glibc? |
| 11:32.43 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, 1. upgrade to 2.6.18-5-xen-686 2. Look in /etc/network/interface adn check post-up ethtool -K eth0 tx off 3. check if you dom-0 has left enough mem for caching |
| 11:32.45 | flinx | I did install rar for linux from Eugene Roshal |
| 11:32.48 | nvz | !info libc6 lenny |
| 11:32.50 | azeem | TomasuDlrrp: debian doesn't distribute mail either, yet it distributes mail servers and clients |
| 11:32.52 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 4375 kB, Installed size: 10596 kB |
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| 11:32.58 | nvz | flinx: rar utilities are in debian |
| 11:33.04 | cast | wtf, kde uses /var/tmp for user tmp files? |
| 11:33.16 | nvz | looks like we skipped over libc6 2.4 |
| 11:33.23 | simonrvn | has since 2.x |
| 11:33.29 | flinx | yes, but i can't unrar with unrar-free |
| 11:33.41 | flinx | unrar-free is returning errors |
| 11:33.44 | nvz | so use the nonfree one |
| 11:33.57 | flinx | i'm tryin |
| 11:33.58 | positron | nvz can you help? |
| 11:34.07 | azeem | flinx: what is the problem with the non-free one? |
| 11:34.08 | nvz | !info unrar |
| 11:34.10 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 11:34.12 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, i am sure you are using libc6-xen, right? |
| 11:34.14 | nvz | positron: help with what? |
| 11:34.26 | positron | I can't get internet in my debian |
| 11:34.33 | flinx | i did installed non-free unrar, but he needs glibc 2.4 |
| 11:34.36 | nvz | positron: and... ? |
| 11:34.36 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: yup, otherwise I get a ton of stupid warnings in logs. |
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| 11:34.43 | gordonjcp | any advice on getting spamassassin in Etch to actually tag spam? |
| 11:34.46 | nvz | flinx: then you didn't install it from debian |
| 11:34.49 | positron | I don't know how to explain better |
| 11:34.52 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, ok, then check those 3 points |
| 11:34.55 | gordonjcp | I set it up about a week ago, and it didn't tag spam |
| 11:35.01 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: in the process |
| 11:35.03 | flinx | 2.4 isn't in debian repository |
| 11:35.04 | positron | I try to ping www.google.com and it says Unknown host |
| 11:35.04 | nvz | positron: then I have no idea |
| 11:35.11 | xterm | hello, I'm trying to activate the 3D aceleration on my intel 965 |
| 11:35.13 | gordonjcp | I've since trained it on about 2000 ham and 5000 spam, and if anything it's slightly worse |
| 11:35.26 | xterm | but when I make glxinfo I get this error: |
| 11:35.29 | nvz | positron: are you wired, wireless? what version of debian? what kernel version? what nic?..etc details.. |
| 11:35.31 | simonrvn | should be equal numbers... |
| 11:35.32 | azeem | flinx: *unrar* is in debian repositories, and it works perfectly fine with the glibc in debian repositories |
| 11:35.37 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.51 | flinx | ahh, i see, we mean different thing |
| 11:35.53 | gordonjcp | simonrvn: well, I get roughly 2.5 times as much spam as ham, so... |
| 11:35.53 | azeem | flinx: if you use a non-supported version of unrar, please ask the people supplying it to you for support |
| 11:35.53 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, rule of thumb: dom-0 needs 256M + 50M per dom-U |
| 11:35.58 | flinx | i mean Eugen Roshal's rar |
| 11:36.01 | flinx | i see |
| 11:36.02 | flinx | ok |
| 11:36.03 | xterm | and that's obviously, beacuse I have it here: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri/i965_dri.so |
| 11:36.03 | azeem | flinx: ask Eugen |
| 11:36.17 | azeem | flinx: but I fail to see why you wouldn't just use the debian-support one |
| 11:36.17 | xterm | can anyone helpme ? |
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| 11:36.34 | liable | yay, finally punched through works isa server |
| 11:36.40 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: 540MB total for dom0, two small DomUs and one larger one. its normally enough. |
| 11:36.51 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, yup |
| 11:36.57 | TomasuDlrrp | that is 540 after the domUs have thier share |
| 11:36.57 | flinx | Actually, I asked how to install glibc 2.4 from beginning.... |
| 11:37.03 | azeem | flinx: you don't |
| 11:37.12 | xterm | hey! can u help me? |
| 11:37.21 | positron | nvz, I think it has to do with dhcp packages, I'm in chroot in knoppix and without dhcp the net doesn't work and with it I can get ping replies from google, the problem is that with dhcp installed after rebooting to Debian doesn't get my net working |
| 11:37.23 | nvz | flinx: which isn't a debian question |
| 11:37.26 | azeem | flinx: you don't upgrade core libraries to unsupported versions just to install some random binary you download off the internet |
| 11:37.30 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, also: if this is multicore reserve 1 core for dom-0 exclusively, great boost |
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| 11:37.37 | nvz | flinx: the debian answer is to install unrar from the repos |
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| 11:37.48 | flinx | ok |
| 11:37.50 | flinx | i see |
| 11:37.52 | flinx | thanks! |
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| 11:38.09 | xterm | can somebody help me???? |
| 11:38.13 | azeem | flinx: alternatively, you can upgrade to testing |
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| 11:38.29 | azeem | which has a version of glibc recent enough to run that unrar binary you got from Eugen |
| 11:38.31 | nvz | positron: well if you are going to tell me what you think the problem is, then you solve it, when you can give me enough info to know what the problem is then maybe I can give you advice |
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| 11:38.50 | positron | Man... I just got Linux since 6 days ago |
| 11:38.59 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: sadly no, its not a multicore box :( but that is a good idea. |
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| 11:39.11 | nvz | positron: how does that stop you from describing what version of debian it is, and what kind of network you have |
| 11:39.22 | perfector | xterm: many can if u just say what the problem is |
| 11:39.26 | positron | I can't do uname -a :/ |
| 11:39.27 | cjn | I have a problem booting with kernel 2.6.22 can anyone advise? |
| 11:39.29 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, xen on a single core cpu is a PITA (performance wise) |
| 11:39.33 | flinx | azeem: to run rar from Eugene Roshal is required glibc 2.4 |
| 11:39.33 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: what abour ethtool -k rx off ? is that a good idea as well? |
| 11:39.37 | positron | It get the knoppix info not debian |
| 11:39.38 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.39 | xterm | libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i965_dri.so failed |
| 11:39.39 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.48 | flinx | azeem: I have error when tryin to get to archive |
| 11:39.50 | nvz | positron: I thought you said you were in a chroot |
| 11:39.51 | azeem | flinx: you said that a couple of times now |
| 11:40.00 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, yup, checksum offloading is not needed in dom-U's, eats many many cycles |
| 11:40.04 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: it does the job, I have 3 vms, all the services were all running on it before anyhow, and the box runs mostly idle. |
| 11:40.06 | azeem | flinx: and we told you you cannot use that binary with Debian stable several times now |
| 11:40.14 | flinx | i see |
| 11:40.16 | flinx | ok |
| 11:40.16 | nvz | positron: and uname -a doesnt tell me anything, you would know what version of debian you installed |
| 11:40.21 | perfector | xterm: sorry I dont use 3d |
| 11:40.25 | positron | Hold on |
| 11:40.27 | xterm | xD |
| 11:40.33 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: oh, so that line wasn't for Dom0s? |
| 11:40.37 | positron | It was the latest net install |
| 11:40.45 | positron | 4.0-r1 I think |
| 11:40.50 | nvz | so you are using etch |
| 11:40.50 | perfector | use shld try the compiz/ compiz-fusion maybe |
| 11:40.54 | positron | Yes |
| 11:41.09 | nvz | positron: and the interface is comming up, but there is no route to the host? |
| 11:41.14 | positron | Yes |
| 11:41.19 | cast | if you created a filesystem, say /dev/vg1/lv1, then after would a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dv/vg1/lv1 wipe out all traces of that filesystem? |
| 11:41.23 | nvz | positron: and this is a wired interface that uses dhcp? |
| 11:41.28 | positron | Yes |
| 11:41.32 | cast | [on LVM, that is] |
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| 11:41.34 | positron | I think the dhcp server is my router |
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| 11:41.48 | nvz | positron: anyhing different about it, laptop, PCMCIA, USB or anything involved? |
| 11:41.53 | positron | Nope |
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| 11:42.20 | nvz | positron: well its pretty hard to troubleshoot considering you can't get me any info, cause I'd tell you to run route |
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| 11:42.49 | TomasuDlrrp | I hate remote trouble shooting... |
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| 11:43.14 | nvz | positron: what does your current ifconfig show on knoppix? |
| 11:43.27 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.28 | xterm | libGL error: dlopen /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i965_dri.so failed |
| 11:43.28 | xterm | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.28 | xterm | what can I do??? |
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| 11:43.30 | fundesktop | cast: why do you want to wipe it out? either you could simply create a new filesystem over it, or you'd want to use something like the wipe program... |
| 11:43.31 | nvz | positron: can you dump that into a pastebin like rafb.net/paste |
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| 11:43.50 | positron | Warning: cannot open /proc/net/dev (No such file or directory). Limited output. |
| 11:43.56 | cast | fundesktop: because it would be an attempt at secure deletion |
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| 11:44.16 | TomasuDlrrp | cast: a very nieve one ;) |
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| 11:44.37 | nvz | positron: o.O |
| 11:44.39 | TomasuDlrrp | cast, some places can get the last seven writes to any block on a disk. |
| 11:44.42 | TomasuDlrrp | or so. |
| 11:44.55 | cast | TomasuDlrrp: am fully aware. |
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| 11:45.18 | cjn | I have a problem booting with lenny kernel 2.6.22 can anyone advise? |
| 11:45.18 | TomasuDlrrp | cast: so maybe look for one of the better wiper programs? they take a while, but its a lot better than dd. |
| 11:45.20 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay.html#Dom0 |
| 11:45.22 | fengor | TomasuDlrrp: so use 8 passes '[ |
| 11:45.24 | fengor | ;p |
| 11:45.25 | positron | nvz what are all the 200 messages in boot time saying chdir: No such file or directory? |
| 11:45.35 | nvz | on debian? |
| 11:45.37 | TomasuDlrrp | cast, but sure, yes, you can write to lvm devices like tha |
| 11:45.38 | positron | Yes |
| 11:45.46 | cast | TomasuDlrrp: the question is more about wheither theres any COW action going on or similar |
| 11:45.56 | nvz | hell if I know, grep could tell you that faster than I could |
| 11:46.07 | TomasuDlrrp | cast: oh, in lvm, there probably is. |
| 11:46.10 | positron | I'm going to try to reboot |
| 11:46.17 | nvz | grep -Rv chdir /etc/init.d/* |
| 11:46.24 | cast | TomasuDlrrp: so do you know the answer to the original question then :P |
| 11:46.29 | nvz | would find references to chdir in your boot scripts |
| 11:46.39 | nvz | positron: try statically configuring to get online |
| 11:46.51 | nvz | positron: thats why I was telling you to ifconfig on knoppix |
| 11:46.51 | |DawnLight| | did the flashplugin-nonfree get updated and now works? |
| 11:47.17 | TomasuDlrrp | nvz: it should actually keep the same blocks it had before, if thats what you mean... |
| 11:47.22 | TomasuDlrrp | and overwrite them |
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| 11:47.38 | nvz | TomasuDlrrp: U have no idea what you are talking about I'm not even paying any attention |
| 11:47.48 | nvz | s/U/I/ |
| 11:48.01 | TomasuDlrrp | nvz: that was a typo, I meant to say that to cast |
| 11:48.03 | TomasuDlrrp | oops |
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| 11:49.18 | hoxu | nvz, did positron mention he tried to install all packages apparently using a shell script? |
| 11:49.32 | nvz | not to me |
| 11:49.40 | dutchfish | cast, you better off with dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/foo |
| 11:49.44 | nvz | just said he can't get online, no route to host |
| 11:49.52 | ale777 | nvz, yeah! |
| 11:49.59 | nvz | yeah what? |
| 11:50.12 | cast | dutchfish: doh. |
| 11:50.15 | ale777 | nvz, hust saying yeah |
| 11:50.29 | nvz | ale777: boy, I tell you whut... |
| 11:50.32 | cast | i'm interested in zeroing out the area where a filesystem existed |
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| 11:50.43 | dutchfish | cast, if you meant a secure wipe |
| 11:50.46 | maddash | ... |
| 11:50.56 | ale777 | nvz, i think irc is cool |
| 11:50.59 | cast | i shouldn't have mentioned 'attempt at secure deletion' at all :\ |
| 11:51.35 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: he's really asking if lvm will always allocate the same blocks for overwrites. |
| 11:51.36 | dutchfish | cast, what is your q then? |
| 11:51.39 | nvz | ale777: indeed it is, do you have anything debian related to talk about or would you like to see how cool it would be to get shut up real fast? |
| 11:51.39 | blubberdiblub | cast: hmm, why not simply dd (or whatever) to the partition? |
| 11:51.59 | ale777 | nvz, oh no please |
| 11:52.03 | cast | blubberdiblub: well, the LV only took up 5GB out of a 250GB PV |
| 11:52.12 | ale777 | nvz, i love debian |
| 11:52.15 | nvz | heh |
| 11:52.22 | dutchfish | TomasuDlrrp, yes and now, if its not a COW and there is no other formed first yes, otherwise no |
| 11:52.28 | ale777 | dutchfish, don't you think? |
| 11:52.38 | blubberdiblub | cast: yeah, you can easily substitute the LV for the partition. it's essentially the same thing |
| 11:52.40 | Shizen | guys any well-known rar solution for debian ? |
| 11:52.56 | maddash | Shizen: rar. |
| 11:53.02 | cast | Shizen: unrar, unfortuntely in non-free |
| 11:53.08 | Shizen | hmmm |
| 11:53.21 | cast | hmmm. |
| 11:53.28 | Shizen | maybe better to grab Winrar and stick it in WinE ? |
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| 11:53.38 | dutchfish | cast, but you can force lvm2 to do exactly what you like, read manpage |
| 11:53.43 | maddash | Shizen: why bother with rars at all? |
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| 11:53.47 | blubberdiblub | cast: just write to the /dev/<vgname>/<lvname> that lvdisplay reports |
| 11:53.52 | |DawnLight| | Shizen: unrar works |
| 11:54.13 | cast | dutchfish: hmm, which manpage? |
| 11:54.26 | dutchfish | cast, pvcreate lvcreate |
| 11:54.29 | nvz | my brother sent me something in a damn rar file once, it pissed me off.. at least its not something way out of left field like 7zip or something |
| 11:54.31 | cjn | Has anyone had a problem booting the lenny kernel 2.6.22? Chipset is SiS. |
| 11:55.01 | nvz | cjn: if they did, they would have filed a bug against it on bugs.debian.org |
| 11:55.08 | nvz | its public, you can go check |
| 11:55.10 | cast | dutchfish: hmmm, which option, pvcreate shouldnt be involved, i wouldn't expect lvcreate to be involved either? |
| 11:55.25 | maddash | nvz: 7zip has some of the best compression ratios |
| 11:55.34 | Shizen | maddash: because many of the files I'm going to use have .rar compression |
| 11:55.35 | cjn | nvz: ta I will. |
| 11:55.35 | cast | go lzma! |
| 11:55.38 | dutchfish | cast, its not how to operate on them, its how you created them |
| 11:55.39 | Shizen | I don't have any choice |
| 11:55.40 | nvz | cjn: not to mention if you just install apt-listbugs it will tell you before you even install something if there are known issues |
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| 11:55.48 | cast | dutchfish: hmmm, ok |
| 11:55.57 | dutchfish | cast, RTFM |
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| 11:55.59 | gynterkk | hello |
| 11:56.05 | maddash | Shizen: then unrar them, but store them some other way |
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| 11:56.09 | gynterkk | how can I enable shutdown and restart for any user ? |
| 11:56.13 | nvz | maddash: I wouldn't know I've heard of it but never seen actual software or files compressed with it |
| 11:56.19 | maddash | gynterkk: you'll need sudo for that |
| 11:56.23 | cjn | nvz: cool. I didn't know about that. |
| 11:56.23 | Shizen | well... my Windows machine is down and I don't have any other option at the moment :| |
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| 11:56.36 | gynterkk | no any other ways ? |
| 11:56.41 | cast | dutchfish: ok, having read both man pages... |
| 11:56.51 | hoxu | gynterkk, I think display managers can be configured to allow user shutdown |
| 11:56.54 | cast | dutchfish: what am i looking for? no options seeem relevent |
| 11:57.01 | maddash | gynterkk: I'd love to know if there are any other ways |
| 11:57.05 | Shizen | sooo I heard the 7z for Linux have quite good support for rar, eh ? |
| 11:57.08 | nvz | cjn: there is one called apt-listchanges too, but its not as useful for the average user.. it just shows you changelogs. but used together it will help you be smarter about doing upgrades |
| 11:57.11 | Mazingaro | I got a problem with cups on lenny: it won't let me install a usb local printer (option shaded) |
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| 11:57.23 | dutchfish | cast, tell me exactly why you want to overwrite same sectors again? |
| 11:57.29 | krivetka | hi2all |
| 11:57.41 | krivetka | åñòü êòî ïî ðóññêè ëàáàåò?) |
| 11:57.48 | blubberdiblub | cast, dutchfish: lvm does not zero whole LVs (when deleted or whatever), only its metadata |
| 11:57.51 | Shizen | lots of boxes... |
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| 11:57.58 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: probably because he wants to make sure the data that was there, isn't easily visible? |
| 11:57.59 | hoxu | !debian-ru |
| 11:58.00 | nvz | krivetka: english? |
| 11:58.11 | nvz | !ru |
| 11:58.12 | krivetka | nvz: ðóññêèé 8) |
| 11:58.12 | dpkg | methinks ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 11:58.22 | hoxu | nvz, thanks :p |
| 11:58.26 | dutchfish | cast, blubberdiblub its not lvm you need to operate on the FS before you drop the lvm partition |
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| 11:58.44 | nvz | I can't tell what it is looks like gibberish to me |
| 11:58.52 | Shizen | looks like boxes to me |
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| 11:59.09 | nvz | I've been teaching myself russian, but those don't look like russian chars on my screen |
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| 11:59.16 | krivetka | dpkg: ñïàñèáî =:) |
| 11:59.17 | maddash | omfg wtf |
| 11:59.22 | maddash | dumbass isp |
| 11:59.23 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: to me, that sems like it just gets more complicated.. more indirection makes it more confusing to know if a given physical block is over written or not.. |
| 11:59.23 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: huh? how i understood it, he has a LV left (no filesys on there anymore) and wants to zero (or write other data) onto that |
| 11:59.39 | maddash | !ping |
| 11:59.40 | dpkg | pong |
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| 11:59.43 | blubberdiblub | +write |
| 11:59.45 | maddash | ... |
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| 12:00.02 | TomasuDlrrp | dutchfish: Im thinking you should drop the lv, make a new one thats fits the rest of the space left free, wipe that, then drop the temp lv |
| 12:00.11 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, simple, create a new fs on the lv and zero that |
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| 12:00.24 | TomasuDlrrp | oops, |
| 12:00.27 | cast | why create a new fs? |
| 12:00.27 | TomasuDlrrp | cast: Im thinking you should drop the lv, make a new one thats fits the rest of the space left free, wipe that, then drop the temp lv |
| 12:00.31 | hoxu | maddash, /query |
| 12:00.31 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: yeah, or simple zero the LV, as i suggested |
| 12:01.04 | TomasuDlrrp | blubberdiblub: is there a guarantee it'll wipe the old data and not allocate from other places, and simply just mark the old block as free to lvm? |
| 12:01.09 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, its depends how the lv was created, be warned |
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| 12:01.23 | gynterkk | Used sudo |
| 12:01.24 | gynterkk | thanks |
| 12:01.31 | cast | ahh ill just test it later, write out 'aaaaa.....' to a LV, then overwrite with /dev/zero and grep for aaaa |
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| 12:01.44 | blubberdiblub | TomasuDlrrp: of course it will not allocate from other places, as long as the LV persists and is not changed (speaking of size), it will address exactly the same blocks |
| 12:02.12 | cast | blubberdiblub: ahh, so thats the answer :) |
| 12:02.16 | TomasuDlrrp | blubberdiblub: 100% certain about that? lvm can be a little more sophisitcated than that |
| 12:02.29 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, what about COW and snapshot volumes, hhuh? |
| 12:02.45 | blubberdiblub | TomasuDlrrp: yes, i'm 100% certain. prove me wrong, if you like |
| 12:02.59 | TomasuDlrrp | I'd like you to prove it actually ::) |
| 12:03.01 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: you have the same problem with normal partitions. just sync after the write |
| 12:03.38 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, thats through |
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| 12:04.58 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, let me ask you a q, what happens when you do a dd to a snapshotvolume? |
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| 12:06.31 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: that's a good question. are we speaking of snapshot volumes? i thought it was about normal LVs |
| 12:06.50 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, there was no indication of what kind of volume |
| 12:07.20 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, that why i said yes and no |
| 12:07.42 | nvz | I swear I am so bored right now I am about to start tracing these damn kids IPs that have been spamming me ever since the US holiday break started and call their damn teachers and tell them to give them a ton of homework or something |
| 12:07.57 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, lvm2 can be hairy |
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| 12:08.10 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: i'm not sure if you can even write directly to a snapshot volume. probably not |
| 12:08.21 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, sure you can |
| 12:08.45 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: wouldn't know what sense that would make |
| 12:08.57 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, but mahem starts when writing to it and you run out of space |
| 12:09.04 | maddash | nvz: outt of curiosity, what desktop components ar eyou using? |
| 12:09.10 | gordonjcp | is there anywhere I can find out more about getting spamassassin to work in Etch? No-one here seems to be able to help |
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| 12:10.06 | xterm | where's the xorg_dir ? |
| 12:10.15 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: would be worth trying writing directly to a snapshot volume (i don't mean the original volume the snapshot refers to). i don't believe this is permitted |
| 12:10.26 | nvz | I'm on a Compaq Presario C500 laptop running Vista right at the moment, but I'm ssh'd into my Debian box.. its also a Compaq well used to be.. its an old AthlonXP 1700+ |
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| 12:10.45 | maddash | nvz: vista, eh? |
| 12:10.49 | xterm | hello, where's the xorg_dir????? |
| 12:10.50 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, believe me, i tried, with surprising results (in a bad sence) |
| 12:10.51 | nvz | yeah its total crap |
| 12:10.58 | nvz | but these laptops aren't mine |
| 12:11.15 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: well, let me try it then ... |
| 12:11.53 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, its about 2 years ago i did and fx up a system this way, thats why i know ;) |
| 12:12.20 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: i need to try it, otherwise you can't have me believe it ;P |
| 12:12.29 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, fair enough |
| 12:13.10 | nvz | maddash: what interest is it what kind of PC I have? |
| 12:13.18 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, but only try this at home ;) |
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| 12:13.36 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: that's where i am right now ;) |
| 12:14.08 | xterm | hello, where's the xorg_dir????? |
| 12:14.15 | xterm | HEY!!!! |
| 12:14.20 | xterm | hello, where's the xorg_dir????? |
| 12:14.23 | nvz | xterm: first of all shut up |
| 12:14.37 | eth01 | !trolls |
| 12:14.40 | eth01 | !troll |
| 12:14.40 | dpkg | methinks troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. |
| 12:14.44 | xterm | ok, but firts tellme where it! |
| 12:14.45 | nvz | xterm: secondly the error you flooded in here earlier looks like it could be fixed by a symlink |
| 12:15.01 | xterm | so, tellme that! |
| 12:15.01 | zamuro | Troll Alert!! |
| 12:15.08 | nvz | I just did |
| 12:15.09 | xterm | but, that doesn't work |
| 12:15.12 | zamuro | xterm: Google can. |
| 12:15.17 | fundesktop | nvz: but that wouldn't be a very nice solution :/ |
| 12:15.18 | xterm | I did |
| 12:15.36 | nvz | fundesktop: blah.. heh |
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| 12:15.58 | nvz | fundesktop: if you get an error its looking for a file not found, you know is somewhere else, you drop a symlink |
| 12:16.21 | fundesktop | nvz: nah, that software should look into the correct path in the first place |
| 12:16.22 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, anyway, recreating a FS on it and zeroing that would be save in my opinion without knowing how it was made |
| 12:17.31 | nvz | fundesktop: thats all you, I'm not going to walk a beligerant moron though fixing the source of a problem when I can just move the destination so its not a problem anymore |
| 12:17.32 | xterm | i make the symlink but doesnt work .... as it should ... |
| 12:17.58 | fundesktop | xterm: then it hates you |
| 12:18.11 | xterm | xD |
| 12:18.18 | nvz | fundesktop: comes in here and floods an error that doesn't tell you much of anything, then without furthering explanation starts making demands.. |
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| 12:20.27 | zamuro | *sighs* Gee... That was a troll, huh? |
| 12:20.34 | nvz | you think |
| 12:20.50 | nvz | you wouldn't be capt obvious would you? |
| 12:20.56 | zamuro | Nah... lol |
| 12:21.53 | liable | hehe |
| 12:22.01 | nvz | I actually was disgusted when he said intel 945 or whatever it was but had every intention of helping him earlier to avoid him flooding again, then takes forever to come back just to be a pest |
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| 12:23.40 | cahoot | nvz: intel945 disgusted you? |
| 12:23.49 | dutchfish | nvz, miracles we do instantly, but the impossible takes a bit longer ;) |
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| 12:24.17 | nvz | cahoot: yeah they give me nothing but trouble |
| 12:24.29 | gordonjcp | argh, more spam |
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| 12:25.03 | gordonjcp | right, well, thanks for all the help folks, but running a mail server on Etch just doesn't seem to be viable |
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| 12:25.24 | dutchfish | gordonjcp, sure you can and we can too, hehe |
| 12:25.35 | gordonjcp | dutchfish: nope |
| 12:25.41 | gordonjcp | dutchfish: spamassassin doesn't work |
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| 12:25.51 | liable | works here |
| 12:25.56 | gordonjcp | works perfectly on the old server running NetBSD, which I'll be switching back to |
| 12:26.08 | nvz | ugh |
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| 12:26.16 | dutchfish | gordonjcp, that i didnt say, but it does work for me, but its only one piece of the puzzle |
| 12:26.35 | nvz | gordonjcp: its a bad time to have a mail server period |
| 12:26.37 | gordonjcp | I'm kind of stuck with Linux at work, but that doesn't mean I need to put up with it at home |
| 12:26.50 | Vorbote | gordonjcp: exim4+tls? That won't fly. There is a problem with gnutls ATM. |
| 12:27.02 | Arelis | err.. guys, i tried installing all those window managers, but with the "Setting up <window manager name here>", i get segmentation faults.. HUH?! This is serious, is my system broken? It returns error code 139, if it helps. I'm on Ubuntu, but the people on Ubuntu aren't answering, and i guess they don't know how to fix it. APT-get is a debian tool, so maybe you guys can help? |
| 12:27.05 | nvz | gordonjcp: all the kids across the US are sitting at home on their fat asses with nothing to do but pretend to be cool spamming people right now |
| 12:27.14 | gordonjcp | Vorbote: no, spamassassin just doesn't catch spam |
| 12:27.24 | Vorbote | :-( |
| 12:27.43 | gordonjcp | maybe one in 15 or 20 will be correctly tagged as spam |
| 12:27.43 | Vorbote | gordonjcp: try dspam, works better in my experience. |
| 12:27.54 | gordonjcp | Vorbote: ah, a helpful suggestion! |
| 12:27.59 | gordonjcp | dspam, y'say? |
| 12:28.00 | dutchfish | gordonjcp, it does but its the dumb admin that doesnt know how to create and support rules for it |
| 12:28.12 | Vorbote | gordonjcp: yep. |
| 12:28.24 | gordonjcp | dutchfish: I'm not doing anything different to the existing spamassassin installation I have |
| 12:28.28 | nvz | I've been getting spam everywhere, irc, myspace mail, myspace IM, gmail..etc in extremely high volumes ever since the damn holiday break started for the kiddies |
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| 12:29.16 | gordonjcp | dutchfish: as in, I'm sitting with 3.1.7 on two machines, one of which quite happily learns new ham and spam, and one which gives massive ham scores for spam |
| 12:29.18 | dutchfish | gordonjcp, what i try to say is spamassasin is a tool within a antispam solution there are others too to complete a good setup |
| 12:29.22 | Vorbote | Oh yes, my old Yahoo! addie is already melting... |
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| 12:30.30 | danfg | i downloaded a .deb package, how do i install it? i'm trying apt-get install package, but apt-get is seemingly trying to find/download the package (which makes sense, but i already have it) |
| 12:30.45 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: okay, you're right, you can write to the actual snapshot volume. i even found out the semantics of that. what follows is, if you try to write to the full range of the SV, it will hit its limits as well as it would if you wrote to the whole LV that it refers to. |
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| 12:31.09 | bullgard4 | Where can I find the definition of 'variable indirection'? |
| 12:31.15 | Vorbote | danfg: use "dpkg -i" or install gdebi and use that (if using GNOME, that is) |
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| 12:31.42 | dutchfish | gordonjcp, http://www.mailscanner.info/ |
| 12:31.51 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, ok |
| 12:31.55 | Mazingaro | I got a problem with cups on lenny: it won't let me install a usb local printer (option shaded) |
| 12:32.09 | ronr_ | hi, I run several debian etch machines that use a ldap directory for userinfo and password, however, while booting I'm getting a lot of errors about not being able to connect to the ldap server, which is obvious as the network hasn't been configured yet, what's the best way to resolve this? |
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| 12:32.24 | gordonjcp | dutchfish: I looked at mailscanner but I don't really need or want virus scanning |
| 12:32.25 | danfg | Vorbote: gdebi-gtk, thanks! i totally forgot about dpkg :) |
| 12:32.32 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: thus, if you have a LV and an SV, and you want to zero both, you could first dd to the SV until it starts reporting errors, then lvremove the SV and dd to the whole LV. you can replace the first step by dd'ing to the LV until the SV spits out errors, if you like |
| 12:32.35 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, but creating an FS on it wont crash your system, but dd to a snapshot will |
| 12:32.59 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, that was my warning only |
| 12:33.16 | gordonjcp | I suppose the virus scanning can't hurt, and can probably be disabled |
| 12:33.23 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: it crashes the system? have to try that as well, before i believe that ;) |
| 12:33.32 | fengor | ronr_: make the connection of the ldap after the network is up? |
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| 12:33.45 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, if i didnt try it i would not warned you about it |
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| 12:33.59 | fengor | ronr_: you know the numbers in /etc/rcX.d/ have influence on the order of how things are started and stopped |
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| 12:34.29 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, but keep in mind this i tried about 2 years ago, we have better kernels nowadays and improved FS's |
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| 12:34.38 | spx2 | what is Debian equivalent to Slackware's /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ? |
| 12:34.42 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, but still |
| 12:34.55 | techouse | hey ppl |
| 12:35.07 | nvz | spx2: depends on what the hell that does |
| 12:35.16 | techouse | lol |
| 12:35.18 | nvz | spx2: in debian init scripts are in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 12:35.37 | Vorbote | spx2: the files in /etc/network (I recommend you give a quick read to the files in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown) |
| 12:35.39 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, good attitude! never believe before tried out yourself. |
| 12:35.45 | ronr_ | fengor: I know, is it save to just move networking up so it starts early? |
| 12:35.46 | spx2 | nvz: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/zenwalk-75/netconfig-and-eth1-479662/ |
| 12:36.00 | nvz | spx2: man 5 interfaces ? |
| 12:36.11 | fengor | dunno if in doubt just move the ldap down? |
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| 12:36.49 | blubberdiblub | dutchfish: seems you're right ... lvm grinded to a halt :) looks like i have to reboot ;) |
| 12:36.56 | ronr_ | fengor: ok, I'll start moving and will probably find a working order |
| 12:37.01 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, ok |
| 12:37.04 | fengor | good luck ronr_ |
| 12:37.43 | ronr_ | fengor: thx |
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| 12:38.56 | SpeedyG | hey, is it possible to use both an IDE disk and a SATA disk in one box, having a bootloader on the sata one and booting debian off my IDE disk ? |
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| 12:39.12 | nvz | SpeedyG: uh, yes |
| 12:39.31 | epsilon | yes |
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| 12:40.03 | nvz | its possible to touch both your elbows at the same time too just in case you were wondering |
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| 12:40.48 | SpeedyG | nvz: wow! amazing! |
| 12:40.50 | SpeedyG | :D |
| 12:41.37 | epsilon | but it's more smart solution if you could boot (/boot and bootloader & stuff) only from one disk |
| 12:42.11 | Arelis | err.. guys, i tried installing all those window managers, but with the "Setting up <window manager name here>", i get segmentation faults.. HUH?! This is serious, is my system broken? It returns error code 139, if it helps. I'm on Ubuntu, but the people on Ubuntu aren't answering, and i guess they don't know how to fix it. APT-get is a debian tool, so maybe you guys can help? |
| 12:42.46 | epsilon | install debian? |
| 12:42.58 | Vorbote | and stay away from Sid? |
| 12:43.16 | SpeedyG | well, problem is that last night my windows disk in my other box died, and i've got to replace it.. but since the box is SATA capable, i'm thinking about buying a sata disk.. so that was why I was wondering :) |
| 12:43.18 | Arelis | already tried debian, but it wouldn't work well with my videocard. |
| 12:43.29 | nvz | Arelis: maybe the ubuntu people don't understand you |
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| 12:43.39 | epsilon | which video? |
| 12:43.40 | Arelis | It is a really critical problem. I can't install ANY package, nor update my system. It's all broken, and keeps segfaulting. even removing all those packages does not help. Please, can anybody help me |
| 12:43.41 | Jhonny5 | hi |
| 12:43.42 | nvz | Arelis: undefined things like "those window managers" and whatnot |
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| 12:43.58 | Arelis | nvz: heh. I installed like 20 window managers, wanted to try them out. |
| 12:44.09 | blubberdiblub | back to normal |
| 12:44.10 | Arelis | nvz: that's why i say "those", because i can't list them all here |
| 12:44.20 | dutchfish | blubberdiblub, i have to go now, my ega is demanding it :) |
| 12:44.24 | tarzeau | Arelis: also amiwm? |
| 12:44.30 | Arelis | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:44.36 | nvz | heh |
| 12:44.36 | tarzeau | Arelis: liked it? |
| 12:44.38 | spx2 | Vorbote: how do I restart network ? |
| 12:44.47 | Arelis | tarzeau: i don't have it yet. Apt is broken. |
| 12:44.50 | epsilon | ./etc/init.d/network restart |
| 12:45.06 | epsilon | eh, networking |
| 12:45.09 | Vorbote | spx2: with ifup and ifdown <interface> or /etc/init.d/network restart for the whole shebang |
| 12:45.20 | tarzeau | epsilon: that's likely to fail, since the debian ifup/ifdown scripts are broken (STILL after so many years) |
| 12:45.31 | tarzeau | Vorbote: ifup and ifdown are broken |
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| 12:45.44 | teclo- | Hello, I just did a dist-upgrade from etch to lenny. X won't start anymore, it says: "(WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia". But I can see nvidia in lsmod ... any idea ? |
| 12:45.44 | tarzeau | Vorbote: if you don't use ifconfig you're likely to fail |
| 12:46.04 | Vorbote | tarzeau: where? etch? lenny? |
| 12:46.20 | tarzeau | Vorbote: etch for sure, dunno it got fixed for lenny, but i doubt |
| 12:46.24 | nvz | Arelis: what video card are you using? |
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| 12:46.34 | tarzeau | Vorbote: using sid, never using ifup/ifdown (since they were never fixed for many years) |
| 12:46.51 | Arelis | nvz, tarzeau: The errors are in Dutch, but here are the errors: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/49284/ |
| 12:46.52 | tarzeau | teclo-: did you upgrade your nvidia driver module too? |
| 12:46.56 | Arelis | nvz: ATI Radeon 9600 |
| 12:47.26 | tarzeau | Arelis: ubuntu? |
| 12:47.30 | teclo- | tarzeau: don't know. How do I do that ? |
| 12:47.38 | Vorbote | tarzeau: I find it strange. ifupdown is the only way I can restart DHCP in my boxes. Never had trouble. |
| 12:47.38 | Arelis | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:47.49 | tarzeau | teclo-: did you install the debian nvidia binary drivers or use the nvidia binary driver installer? |
| 12:47.55 | tarzeau | Arelis: but this is #debian ? |
| 12:48.01 | nvz | tarzeau: said couldnt get the Radeon 9600 working right in debian. |
| 12:48.13 | Arelis | tarzeau: the people in #ubuntu are unhelpful, and are either ignoring me or do not know how to fix it. |
| 12:48.14 | teclo- | tarzeau: I built from source |
| 12:48.21 | nvz | I was about to say we'd rather help with that.. but then I choaked and vomitted |
| 12:48.21 | tarzeau | Vorbote: nice for you, not everyone has DHCP, and some DHCPds are out of your control |
| 12:48.27 | Arelis | tarzeau: but APT is a debian tool, so i wondered if maybe you guys can help |
| 12:48.31 | teclo- | tarzeau: from nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:48.37 | tarzeau | nvz: ATI? that's crap... |
| 12:48.45 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah no kidding |
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| 12:48.55 | tarzeau | teclo-: dunno, debian doesn't ship the latest nvidia drivers |
| 12:49.05 | Arelis | yes i know. The next PC i'll buy (in about 6 years) will have an nVidea |
| 12:49.10 | Vorbote | Arelis: my small piece of advice: open a terminal and run "sudo aptitude purge <bad_window_manager>" |
| 12:49.16 | sarefo | i can never remember this: how do i install a local .deb package? i'm used to apt-get, but have no network right now. |
| 12:49.30 | tarzeau | Arelis: the tool is working fine. it's probably a ubuntu problem, thus #ubuntu |
| 12:49.48 | zamuro | Vorbote: Why don't you just shut up? (c) King John Charles I of Spain |
| 12:49.48 | tarzeau | sarefo: dpkg -i the.deb |
| 12:49.48 | Arelis | tarzeau: yes but it's APT that's segfaulting |
| 12:49.57 | tarzeau | Arelis: but it's not debian's apt, it's ubuntu's apt |
| 12:49.58 | sarefo | tarzeau: thx |
| 12:50.02 | teclo- | tarzeau: well what I can do is use the Debian 2.6.22 kernel with the nvidia binary driver from Debian... but with 2.6.22 the reading of the temperature/speed of fans of my chipset is broken :( ... althought it works in a 2.6.20.3 I built myself |
| 12:50.16 | tarzeau | Arelis: if your honda engine (made not by honda) doesn't works, you go to ford? |
| 12:50.20 | Arelis | tarzeau: yes but Ubuntu's support isn't helping.. they don't know the inner workings of Ubuntu |
| 12:50.32 | Vorbote | zamuro: You are too blibical lately :-) |
| 12:50.33 | tarzeau | Arelis: how is ubunutu's bad support a debian problem? |
| 12:50.43 | tarzeau | Arelis: if you want quality debian support, install debian |
| 12:50.45 | Arelis | tarzeau: ... not a debian problem |
| 12:50.54 | zamuro | Vorbote: Biblical? Because of my quit message? LOL |
| 12:50.55 | tarzeau | Arelis: then you're wrong in here |
| 12:51.02 | jelly-ho | Arelis: solution: install debian, reproduce the problem, ask here. |
| 12:51.02 | Arelis | tarzeau: Hmm, well, the last time i did that.. i kept asking questions here but nobody ever answered |
| 12:51.12 | tarzeau | Arelis: did you have debian? |
| 12:51.17 | Arelis | tarzeau: yes |
| 12:51.21 | tarzeau | Arelis: this place is no warranty to get answers |
| 12:51.27 | gg | How would I enable ssh? I cant seem to connect to my debian machine via ssh |
| 12:51.28 | tarzeau | Arelis: did you read the faq? |
| 12:51.33 | Arelis | tarzeau: no |
| 12:51.48 | Vorbote | zamuro: yup. I thought last December 2 you'd had seen a little ray of light... |
| 12:51.50 | zamuro | Vorbote: Some scripting skills and a lot of spare time... |
| 12:51.57 | jelly-ho | gg: is it installed? |
| 12:52.01 | teclo- | tarzeau: but, why do I need to recompile the nvidia kernel modules, ... I did not change the kernel when upgrading from etch to lenny... |
| 12:52.08 | tarzeau | teclo-: which nvidia card do you have? |
| 12:52.14 | solemnwarning | Should you cleanly unmount filesystems, even when they are mounted ro? |
| 12:52.15 | gg | well not sure, there is ssh is there ssh daemon i need to install? |
| 12:52.15 | jelly-ho | gg: dpkg -l libc6 openssh-server | tail -2 |
| 12:52.16 | tarzeau | teclo-: you changed X |
| 12:52.16 | zamuro | Vorbote: Well, not light, but some hope instead. |
| 12:52.30 | teclo- | tarzeau: NVIDIA GeForce 6200 AGP |
| 12:52.38 | cahoot | gg: openssh-server |
| 12:52.52 | tarzeau | teclo-: i've automated the nvidia binary installer installation |
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| 12:53.25 | gg | ok it says no packages found matching openssh-server |
| 12:54.01 | gg | apt-get now |
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| 12:54.44 | sarefo | does it matter if i have linux-source-6.22.x-6 if i want to compile for kernel x-3? |
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| 12:56.42 | sarefo | err, 2.6.22-6 vs. 2.6.22-3 |
| 12:57.10 | Vorbote | sarefo: you can try, but there may be dragons. |
| 12:57.26 | nvz | sarefo: compile for? |
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| 12:57.52 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all any recommendations on a good nmap book ? |
| 12:58.02 | nvz | sarefo: if you are only compiling a module you do not need any kernel sources, and if you are compiling the whole kernel you are using whatever you compile from |
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| 12:58.26 | nvz | sysadmin-lb22: man nmap |
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| 12:59.28 | teclo- | Ouch ! the nvidia kernel module refuses to compile on lenny ! It says I'm using gcc 4.2, and that it was expecting me to run gcc 4.1 ! |
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| 13:00.06 | maddash | how come xfontsel only sees a subset of the fonts that reside in the system? |
| 13:00.21 | tarzeau | teclo-: basically it wants the same that you used to build the kernel with |
| 13:00.26 | fundesktop | maddash: hahahahahahaa |
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| 13:00.38 | tarzeau | maddash: because it some old x tool |
| 13:00.39 | fundesktop | maddash: welcome to X11 and font configuration issues |
| 13:00.56 | tarzeau | you want fontmatrix |
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| 13:01.13 | Arelis | Guys, how can i reset dpkg to the point as if it was installed just recently? |
| 13:01.17 | maddash | !find fontmatrix |
| 13:01.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'fontmatrix' (1): (/usr/bin/fontmatrix, /usr/share/menu/fontmatrix, /usr/share/pixmaps/fontmatrix.png) in graphics/fontmatrix. |
| 13:01.25 | teclo- | tarzeau: so I'd better build a brand new kernel ? what's the latest on kernel.org ? 2.6.24 ? |
| 13:01.39 | nvz | Arelis: reinstall |
| 13:01.45 | tarzeau | teclo-: i didn't say that (but yes i do that) |
| 13:01.55 | tarzeau | teclo-: and no, 2.6.23.12 |
| 13:02.05 | maddash | geez, why would it live in unstable? stupid. |
| 13:02.12 | tarzeau | teclo-: well i know some using the 2.6.24-rc6 (because of some drivers and other issues) |
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| 13:02.18 | tarzeau | maddash: want a backport? |
| 13:02.37 | tarzeau | maddash: i can make you one within minutes |
| 13:03.01 | nvz | make me some breakfast while you're at it ;) |
| 13:03.08 | maddash | tarzeau: thanks, but that's okay. |
| 13:03.09 | teclo- | tarzeau: yes, it is "easier" and "recommended" to use debian binary kernels, but on this machine, 2.6.22 does not support the reading of the temperatures from the motherboard... |
| 13:03.16 | tarzeau | nvz: bah, go make your backports yourself, http://krum.ethz.ch/abp/ |
| 13:03.33 | tarzeau | nvz: i'm going to a fragfest now, new www.sauerbraten.org 's out |
| 13:03.43 | nvz | oh yeah? |
| 13:03.52 | tarzeau | teclo-: lm-sensors? or mbmon? |
| 13:03.57 | nvz | I wonder when that damn RPG engine is gonna be ready for testing |
| 13:04.14 | tarzeau | nvz: and maybe some photography stuff, and tomorrow lucerne sight seeing and special stuff, heh |
| 13:04.17 | teclo- | tarzeau: lm-sesnors |
| 13:04.26 | tarzeau | nvz: it's already in testing, moved some days ago |
| 13:04.36 | tarzeau | nvz: i hope the new version follows soon |
| 13:04.45 | tarzeau | teclo-: i did a backport of that for friends: |
| 13:04.46 | nvz | oh? |
| 13:04.53 | tarzeau | teclo-: http://krum.ethz.ch/backports/lm-sensors/ |
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| 13:05.10 | tarzeau | teclo-: and he told me it works (needed to rebuild it for i386 though) |
| 13:05.13 | nvz | I don't think we are talking about the same thing |
| 13:05.26 | tarzeau | nvz: sauerbraten? oh the RPG (eisenstern stuff?) |
| 13:05.26 | nvz | cause last I checked the RPG engine wasn't even in development yet |
| 13:05.30 | nvz | yeah |
| 13:05.46 | tarzeau | they did some improvements on that, check the new version: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102911&package_id=110363&release_id=563483 |
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| 13:07.03 | nvz | I think I'm gonna check this pillow, to see if its making any noise.. for a few hours |
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| 13:08.31 | gener1c | !bt3 |
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| 13:08.53 | |DawnLight| | that is so cute |
| 13:08.56 | ItchyHobo | anybody knows when lenny is going to be released |
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| 13:09.21 | |DawnLight| | ItchyHobo: why? |
| 13:09.29 | nvz | |DawnLight|: o.O |
| 13:09.56 | nvz | nothing but ascii in here, I didn't see anything cute |
| 13:10.00 | ItchyHobo | hmm cuz etchy's install doesnot support intel965 |
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| 13:10.12 | ItchyHobo | the prob is fixed with the newer kernel release |
| 13:10.41 | DawnLight | ItchyHobo: if this is for your desktop/workstation, use lenny |
| 13:11.07 | ItchyHobo | yeah i am waiting for the official release |
| 13:11.19 | DawnLight | and when it stabilises, stay with it |
| 13:11.33 | ItchyHobo | any idea when it is coming out |
| 13:11.38 | hark | whatever happened to the plan to update the kernel for etch? |
| 13:11.49 | DawnLight | is there such a plan? |
| 13:11.52 | ItchyHobo | dunno |
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| 13:12.01 | gucio | hello all! |
| 13:12.01 | sarefo | nvz: i'm trying to build vmware-tools module, and it insists on having the right kernel sources to build itself |
| 13:12.09 | gucio | happy holidays! :D |
| 13:12.12 | wols | hark: a month ago or so was talk about a etch 4.5 release or such |
| 13:12.14 | gucio | y:) |
| 13:12.16 | wols | including the kernel |
| 13:12.28 | gucio | etch 4.5? |
| 13:12.29 | gucio | when? |
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| 13:13.21 | Vorbote | sarefo: you don't need the kernel sources. The matching linux-headers package is enough. |
| 13:13.33 | Ace2016 | wols: whay are you in #debian and #ubuntu? |
| 13:13.41 | Ace2016 | oh and anyone know what this app is? |
| 13:13.42 | Ace2016 | http://blog.shankarganesh.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/news.jpg |
| 13:13.58 | Ace2016 | original page http://blog.shankarganesh.com/2007/12/21/how-to-improve-your-english-online/ |
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| 13:15.45 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 13:22.23 | gg | Is there something wrong with being in #debian and #ubuntu? |
| 13:22.58 | tarzeau | gg: no |
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| 13:23.12 | Arelis | gg: are you wols? |
| 13:23.34 | hark | wols: ah, found it -> http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 13:24.58 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if it's possible to turn /etc/motd into a shell script? |
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| 13:26.32 | jelly-ho | CharminTheMoose: what do you want it to do? |
| 13:27.00 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-ho: display some information about the system, when the user logs in |
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| 13:28.03 | jelly-ho | CharminTheMoose: you could edit the global shell rc files. Or change motd via crontab if that's good enough |
| 13:28.54 | Ace2016 | gg: nope just wondering which one he uses |
| 13:30.00 | CharminTheMoose | jelly-ho: where would the global shell rc files be stored on debian etch? |
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| 13:30.32 | jelly-ho | CharminTheMoose: man bash, look for /etc |
| 13:30.39 | Swampy | perhaps someone cares, while reading the smb.conf man page on debian 4.0_r1 it displays lots of warnings/errors in the makeup, no idea if it's the man devs, samba ppl or deb folks who put the stable together, marry christmas. |
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| 13:32.02 | cyberia | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:32.17 | cahoot | try acpi=off |
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| 13:32.53 | cahoot | and possibly noapic |
| 13:33.12 | cyberia | acpi=off doesnt help |
| 13:33.19 | cyberia | ill try with both now |
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| 13:34.26 | cyberia | narf, still the same ;O |
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| 13:34.39 | DawnLight | does the ntp package only set hours, seconds and minutes and not day,month,year ? |
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| 13:35.34 | cahoot | cyberia: not a matter of a faulty disk? |
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| 13:36.36 | cyberia | already thought about that too |
| 13:36.46 | cyberia | although i just burned it |
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| 13:37.07 | cyberia | i will burn it again ;o |
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| 13:37.20 | jelly-ho | cyberia: I suppose you could try an image with a newer kernel, /msg dpkg muto |
| 13:37.32 | jelly-ho | cyberia: /msg dpkg kmuto, sorry |
| 13:38.40 | cyberia | good idea |
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| 13:38.53 | cyberia | although i dont know if i should trust any japanese guy ;o |
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| 13:43.47 | techouse | may i ask a n00b question? what's the commandline command to move a file? mv? |
| 13:43.54 | asg | Swampy: it's probably due to etch shipping with UTF8 enabled by default |
| 13:43.58 | Eclipser | techouse, yes |
| 13:44.00 | techouse | ok |
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| 13:44.02 | techouse | :) |
| 13:44.16 | pumpkin0 | techouse: "mv from to" |
| 13:44.24 | Swampy | asg: could be, just thought maybe someone would like to know :) |
| 13:44.25 | Eclipser | man mv |
| 13:44.30 | koolaid | -------______--------HEIL HITLER!-------__-----__--- |
| 13:44.30 | koolaid | -------\----/--------------------------/-/----/-/--- |
| 13:44.30 | koolaid | ---_----|--|----_-----WE-CONTROL------/-/----/-/---- |
| 13:44.30 | koolaid | --|-\___|--|___/-|----YOUR-WORLD-----/-/___-/-/___-- |
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| 13:44.33 | asg | techouse: /msg dpkg grounding (provides some basic intro material) |
| 13:44.36 | Eclipser | whoa, lame |
| 13:44.40 | Swampy | heh |
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| 13:44.52 | techouse | yeah...i know the syntax....i was just wondering i was right :D might have done something stupid |
| 13:45.38 | techouse | asg: i know a lot already, i just didn't know if i was right about this move thing |
| 13:45.56 | asg | techouse: 'man mv' would tell you all you needed to know |
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| 13:46.13 | pumpkin0 | techouse: you can still do very interessting stuff: mv file1 file2 will overwrite/delete file2. |
| 13:46.14 | cyberia | wtf, nazi-attack ;o |
| 13:46.18 | eth01 | !ops koolaid rasicm |
| 13:46.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eth01 complains about: koolaid rasicm |
| 13:46.24 | asg | eth01: he was already k-lined |
| 13:46.27 | techouse | another thing: ho so i make a .deb from a .run using fakeroot? fakreroot make-jpkg? |
| 13:46.33 | asg | eth01: no need to spam ops at this point |
| 13:46.54 | eth01 | asg, ? |
| 13:47.09 | asg | eth01: 08:42 -!- koolaid [n=omgyea@pool-72-71-64-2.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [K-lined] |
| 13:47.14 | Ronin | eth01: koolaid was, never mind |
| 13:47.19 | asg | eth01: that means he was banned from freenode |
| 13:47.20 | eth01 | letting people like that get away with it, means that you're a bully yourself. |
| 13:47.24 | techouse | pumpkin0: i know...i'm not a total noob; i've been using debbie for 3 months now :) |
| 13:47.28 | Ronin | eth01: it means he is banned all ready |
| 13:47.34 | eth01 | asg, don't take the mick. |
| 13:47.36 | pumpkin0 | eth01: K-lined <= gone for a long time. |
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| 13:47.46 | asg | eth01: I'm not, stop being a moron |
| 13:47.54 | eth01 | guys, i have my own irc network, i know what a damn kline means. |
| 13:48.01 | eth01 | i didn't see that he was klined, jesus. |
| 13:48.06 | eth01 | like a pack of vultures. |
| 13:48.10 | Ronin | must be sunday again |
| 13:48.20 | pumpkin0 | Ronin: close... |
| 13:48.22 | asg | Ronin: it'll be sunday until at least Jan 2nd |
| 13:48.36 | eth01 | asg, nobody cares. |
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| 13:50.01 | cyberia | jelly, cahoot: still the same effect with a fresh (and slower) burned cd (that one with newer kernels) ;( |
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| 13:50.22 | cyberia | its doesnt even reaches a debugable point ;o |
| 13:51.02 | jelly-ho | cyberia: hmph. i386 or amd64? Is your machine 64bit capable? |
| 13:51.49 | cahoot | cyberia: you already checked the integrity of the downloaded file? |
| 13:52.13 | cyberia | i386 |
| 13:52.13 | asg | eth01: versioning people at random is considered rude on this network |
| 13:52.24 | cyberia | and yes, it should be 64bit capable (core2duo) |
| 13:52.39 | cyberia | cahoot: mhm i downloaded two images from two different locations now ,o |
| 13:54.12 | multi_io | what is the "nameserver information record" the resolvconf(8) manpage refers to? |
| 13:54.36 | multi_io | where is it stored? |
| 13:54.52 | cusco | in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:54.58 | Swampy | afaik the kernel holds some kind aswell? |
| 13:55.03 | jelly-ho | multi_io: a "nameserver ..." line that ends up in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 13:55.10 | cusco | its the nameservers that you will request the dns lookups |
| 13:55.11 | Swampy | or maybe that's just nat enteries |
| 13:55.45 | multi_io | hmm no, the libc client script for resolvconf updates /etc/resolv.conf, AFAICS |
| 13:55.46 | Ace2016 | eth01: do you still do web hosting? |
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| 13:56.19 | multi_io | I'm wondering what exactly resolvconf itself does |
| 13:56.34 | Ace2016 | updates dns server entries |
| 13:56.41 | cyberia | it tells the system how to resolve? :D |
| 13:57.06 | multi_io | yeah, I understand how it works *generally*, but not the details |
| 13:57.18 | multi_io | does resolvconf itself write any files? |
| 13:57.31 | multi_io | or does it just call the client scripts? |
| 13:57.46 | multi_io | (i.e. the scripts in /etc/resolvconf/update.d/) |
| 13:58.25 | multi_io | at that point the manpage becomes unspecific |
| 13:58.57 | Ace2016 | doesn't it keep rewriting /etc/resolv.conf which removes any user added dns servers |
| 13:58.59 | Ace2016 | ? |
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| 13:59.03 | jahshua | hello |
| 13:59.10 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 13:59.11 | cusco | Ace2016: that is dhclient |
| 13:59.18 | cyberia | the resolv.conf is created and modified dynamically when using resolvconf |
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| 13:59.20 | Ace2016 | oh yea that was it |
| 13:59.27 | multi_io | Ace2016: the libc client script for resolvconf does that |
| 13:59.37 | multi_io | i.e. /etc/resolvconf/update.d/libc |
| 13:59.41 | Ace2016 | there is a part in dhclient to comment out to stop resolv.conf being updated |
| 13:59.42 | cyberia | but i dont know how ;-) if you want to know, get the source |
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| 14:01.09 | jahshua | so i accidentally ran dpkg-reconfigure -a as root, i meant to run dpkg --configure -a .. so i killed the dpkg-reconfigure just after it started and rebooted the system, now the system is acting a bit strange, locate - command not found .. updatedb - command not found .. etc, could anyone help me out please? :/ |
| 14:01.34 | Ace2016 | anyone know what this app is? http://blog.shankarganesh.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/news.jpg |
| 14:03.01 | multi_io | well, I would prefer it if program authors would write precise manpages instead of tutorial-like ones |
| 14:03.04 | cyberia | mhm the ubuntu-installer crashes as well but i cant fix it by setting the resolution to 640*480 as a boot-option |
| 14:03.16 | cyberia | anyone know how to do that with debian? ;o |
| 14:03.43 | Ace2016 | tried the ubuntu alternative installer disk? |
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| 14:04.03 | cyberia | its the usual server-installation |
| 14:04.21 | cyberia | and the installer crashed exactly at the same time than my debian-installer crashed |
| 14:04.24 | Ace2016 | oh never tried that |
| 14:05.08 | cahoot | linux vga=normal? |
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| 14:06.42 | cyberia | hrhr |
| 14:06.48 | cyberia | vga=771 made it work :) |
| 14:07.19 | cyberia | although that was my very first option :( seems that mistyped :( |
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| 14:08.02 | jahshua | anyone? |
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| 14:10.47 | cyberia | thx jelly and cahoot ;) that gay-vista dies now |
| 14:10.59 | hikenboot | greetings all---anyone in here know where there is a downloadable supply of empty hard drive images which i could add a custom boot sector to i tried creating one with qemu and open it in ultraiso but for some reason ultraiso wont open them |
| 14:11.18 | |DrEaMeR| | hi hi |
| 14:11.26 | aindilis | hello, I have a quick question regarding ethics |
| 14:11.38 | asg | aindilis: #philosophy? |
| 14:11.49 | aindilis | asg: specific to free software/debian |
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| 14:12.09 | aindilis | I'm trying to package as many software systems as possible because I think this improves the capabilities of software systems |
| 14:12.14 | asg | aindilis: ask away then; also, the debian-legal mailing list may be useful |
| 14:12.32 | aindilis | (http://frdcsa.onshore.net/frdcsa) |
| 14:12.51 | aindilis | would it be frowned upon to solicit from upstream maintainers contributions of say $100 to package their software? |
| 14:13.27 | aindilis | I hate the commercial world, but then again, funding is a noble cause? |
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| 14:14.26 | aindilis | note these are unofficial packages |
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| 14:15.02 | Yanomami | Hi |
| 14:15.14 | asg | aindilis: I don't think many upstream developers would give you $100 to package their software when there are so many distributions doing it for free already. |
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| 14:15.31 | aindilis | okay, its a slimy idea but it did occur to me |
| 14:15.32 | jelly-ho | aindilis: What benefits would they gain? |
| 14:15.54 | aindilis | well, I'm referring to small sourceforge type projects that do not have packages. |
| 14:16.16 | aindilis | there are all these wonderful tools but they remain inaccessible because they are not packaged |
| 14:16.43 | aindilis | so I've been trying to package them even in the face of going homeless |
| 14:16.50 | aindilis | I've been able to make ~200 packages |
| 14:17.02 | jelly-ho | aindilis: your business model is ... interesting. |
| 14:17.04 | aindilis | of shoddy quality, lintian checks fail etc. |
| 14:17.10 | aindilis | don't call it a business model |
| 14:17.40 | aindilis | I'm not in it for the money, right now I live off disability but when that fails, how will I package software? |
| 14:18.06 | aindilis | efforts to develop the floss-cooperative have failed so far |
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| 14:18.17 | aindilis | you know a (*sqirms*) commune |
| 14:18.32 | jelly-ho | aindilis: what is the exact problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 14:18.42 | jelly-ho | s/are you/you are/ |
| 14:19.04 | petemc | aindilis: you could use the same abilities that allow you to package software to do some other, more commercially viable work |
| 14:19.17 | DawnLight | i like cooperatives |
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| 14:19.59 | DawnLight | aindilis: if you want to make money off something, firstly you need to produce high quality work |
| 14:20.00 | Yanomami | Debian Etch provides integration to /etc/network/interfaces just like the wireless-tools package ? |
| 14:20.08 | aindilis | no I'm not trying to make money |
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| 14:20.21 | Yanomami | so i need only to change interfaces fiel right ? |
| 14:20.23 | DawnLight | i got it, but it takes up your time |
| 14:20.47 | DawnLight | Yanomami: what's the question? |
| 14:20.47 | aindilis | I'm doing because the greatest benefit to society in terms of zeromarginal cost product creation is to package software that has already been written |
| 14:21.19 | Yanomami | i need to install some package to configure WPA-Personal wifi ? |
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| 14:21.38 | aindilis | okay, well thanks for the advice, I didn't think it was a good idea but I wanted to be sure |
| 14:21.56 | Yanomami | i use this procedure http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.modes?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 14:22.03 | Yanomami | but i am getting an error |
| 14:22.06 | DawnLight | i don't know what zeromarginal cost is, but if you seem to have an inspiration to do it, then do it good and find a way to make money |
| 14:22.14 | bubshait | anyone know how to get NetworkManager running again, it isn't detecting my devices |
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| 14:23.10 | cahoot | bubshait: they are commented out in interfaces? |
| 14:23.24 | bubshait | yes |
| 14:23.24 | DawnLight | Yanomami: i have no experiance with wpa, but lets see your interfaces file |
| 14:23.45 | bubshait | I upgraded network manager, hal and dbus and they stopped working |
| 14:24.17 | Yanomami | iface wifi0 inet dhcp |
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| 14:24.24 | Yanomami | wpa-ssid lkf |
| 14:24.25 | aindilis | I can't seem to find a wikipedia definition of zero marginal cost (ZMC), but I learned it from Eben Moglen's video (The Dot Communist Manifesto). essentially, the cost of reproducing software is next to nothing, because it can be so freely copied. |
| 14:24.44 | asg | Yanomami: you do have the wpasupplicant package installed right? |
| 14:24.53 | aindilis | whereas with physical goods like a yacht, it would take a lot of effort to reproduce |
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| 14:25.31 | Yanomami | http://pastebin.ca/828471 |
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| 14:26.19 | Yanomami | yes |
| 14:26.21 | Yanomami | is installed |
| 14:26.55 | aindilis | Eben's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgCKRN_Bzzs |
| 14:27.22 | aindilis | note its pretty long, but good |
| 14:27.39 | asg | Yanomami: what is the error you get? |
| 14:28.13 | lotemian | ``airc'' test |
| 14:28.14 | techouse | what's the cmd to rename a file in the commandline? |
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| 14:28.20 | Yanomami | when i use ifup wifi0 |
| 14:28.21 | asg | techouse: mv |
| 14:28.33 | techouse | isn't mv = move? |
| 14:28.45 | asg | techouse: yes and that is what a rename is essentially |
| 14:28.46 | Andaluz | hey which cd's do i need from the iso's to install a base system with all the basic gnome applications? |
| 14:28.53 | Yanomami | i get ioctl [SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation no supported |
| 14:28.56 | Andaluz | including wireless lan apps{ |
| 14:28.58 | techouse | that's why i was confused before with mv :D |
| 14:29.24 | Yanomami | so i don get ip since i am using DHCP |
| 14:29.34 | techouse | cause i've seen some cmds with mv for rename and move so i got confused :D |
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| 14:31.05 | Andaluz | anyone? >_> |
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| 14:31.09 | Fisch0r | yes |
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| 14:31.45 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:32.18 | Fisch0r | hey ;) |
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| 14:32.46 | Fox_1_ | people I need the tool or lib which will parse po (pot) files. does any one know something about that? |
| 14:33.17 | asg | Yanomami: is that the full error? Any more information in the output of dmesg? Also, what card are you using. |
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| 14:33.20 | DawnLight | Andaluz: isn't there a gnome cd? if you have a broadband connection, you can just get the three etch dvd's |
| 14:33.45 | riot | whats the most efficient way to transfer a working installation from a small (512Megs) card to a new shiny 2 Gig card? Is just copying / and reinstalling grub sufficient? |
| 14:34.30 | asg | Fox_1_: you probably need to look at the gettext package |
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| 14:36.39 | asg | Andaluz: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 14:36.42 | multi_io | is resolvconf debian-specific? Fedora does not have it, apparently. |
| 14:36.56 | Andaluz | ah neat, thanks |
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| 14:37.48 | pablo | hi |
| 14:38.14 | multi_io | hi pablo |
| 14:38.18 | Andaluz | eh, i almost feel like switching to a wireless ethernet bridge |
| 14:38.25 | mbroeker | riot, something like tar -cvf - . | tar -xv -C /mnt/card would be better than cp... |
| 14:38.27 | Andaluz | you bypass all the driver garbage |
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| 14:42.40 | Yanomami | i have a IBM ThinkPad T30 |
| 14:42.51 | Yanomami | it have 2 wireless |
| 14:43.18 | maddash | oh. my. god. this is so wrong. |
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| 14:43.36 | asg | what is? |
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| 14:44.19 | tuliox | just installed debian with icewm and iceweasel, fonts in webpage are looking a bit strange, do i have to install a font package or something? |
| 14:44.32 | tiogoar | Could you do a safety test on ssh 88.191.41.229 with the login "teasa" and pass "ih9aiKe8". Thanks |
| 14:44.40 | techouse | is building a debian live cd really as easy as it says here http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO ? |
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| 14:45.25 | asg | techouse: seems reasonable |
| 14:45.32 | techouse | w00t |
| 14:45.35 | techouse | :D |
| 14:45.45 | orveldv | tiogoar: this is an odd request |
| 14:45.53 | tiogoar | :) |
| 14:46.29 | multi_io | so, I think I have now established that resolvconf does not itself write the resolv.conf file or any other files, it just calls its clients' update scripts |
| 14:48.06 | maddash | asg: dvd screener. google. http. wget. |
| 14:48.10 | multi_io | which makes sense, but it should be documented :-) |
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| 14:49.13 | tuliox | what fonts do i have to install to make pages look right? |
| 14:49.13 | Blowcow | hramrach raz the_lalelu gbp cmyers__ tchnk2|afk ArmEagle Salihu poopotootti Ronin ivorw nvz chaibia dings x-Dieu JoshH hockenberry metabaron xsdg k31th metafollic ponyofdeath Gnurdux Agrajag- wahooooo tuv Flimzy blue magyar ApEtc oye kenjy Sebboh _evo_ stmaher w0rd54 Pinnen Tabakhase Scurz CompWizrd Authority nipra dondek catsup gordonjcp dwon__ bornholme kritical \amethyst i3d riot Walther idimmu bam thedonvaughn Lo |
| 14:49.20 | Blowcow | hramrach raz the_lalelu gbp cmyers__ tchnk2|afk ArmEagle Salihu poopotootti Ronin ivorw nvz chaibia dings x-Dieu JoshH hockenberry metabaron xsdg k31th metafollic ponyofdeath Gnurdux Agrajag- wahooooo tuv Flimzy blue magyar ApEtc oye kenjy Sebboh _evo_ stmaher w0rd54 Pinnen Tabakhase Scurz CompWizrd Authority nipra dondek catsup gordonjcp dwon__ bornholme kritical \amethyst i3d riot Walther idimmu bam thedonvaughn Lo |
| 14:49.27 | Blowcow | hramrach raz the_lalelu gbp cmyers__ tchnk2|afk ArmEagle Salihu poopotootti Ronin ivorw nvz chaibia dings x-Dieu JoshH hockenberry metabaron xsdg k31th metafollic ponyofdeath Gnurdux Agrajag- wahooooo tuv Flimzy blue magyar ApEtc oye kenjy Sebboh _evo_ stmaher w0rd54 Pinnen Tabakhase Scurz CompWizrd Authority nipra dondek catsup gordonjcp dwon__ bornholme kritical \amethyst i3d riot Walther idimmu bam thedonvaughn Lo |
| 14:49.30 | Gnurdux | kick him |
| 14:49.31 | maddash | Blowcow: enjoying yourself? |
| 14:49.33 | maddash | !ops |
| 14:49.33 | Blowcow | hramrach raz the_lalelu gbp cmyers__ tchnk2|afk ArmEagle Salihu poopotootti Ronin ivorw nvz chaibia dings x-Dieu JoshH hockenberry metabaron xsdg k31th metafollic ponyofdeath Gnurdux Agrajag- wahooooo tuv Flimzy blue magyar ApEtc oye kenjy Sebboh _evo_ stmaher w0rd54 Pinnen Tabakhase Scurz CompWizrd Authority nipra dondek catsup gordonjcp dwon__ bornholme kritical \amethyst i3d riot Walther idimmu bam thedonvaughn Lo |
| 14:49.34 | dpkg | i guess ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 14:49.37 | maddash | !ops Blowcow |
| 14:49.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: Blowcow |
| 14:49.39 | Blowcow | hramrach raz the_lalelu gbp cmyers__ tchnk2|afk ArmEagle Salihu poopotootti Ronin ivorw nvz chaibia dings x-Dieu JoshH hockenberry metabaron xsdg k31th metafollic ponyofdeath Gnurdux Agrajag- wahooooo tuv Flimzy blue magyar ApEtc oye kenjy Sebboh _evo_ stmaher w0rd54 Pinnen Tabakhase Scurz CompWizrd Authority nipra dondek catsup gordonjcp dwon__ bornholme kritical \amethyst i3d riot Walther idimmu bam thedonvaughn Lo |
| 14:49.44 | maddash | 3 |
| 14:49.44 | Blowcow | romano2k sander_ snacky tenner dembug LoneTech deever Shadur crunchy `nstuff Zippy2 faked lilalinux rage rsl_ Piggy blinx tomaw barn ashlam6 felipe ledet Rockj ross` chun JohnDoh rmayorga keith80403 inzion zenwryly robewald|work mXr Ozymandias2 AKX stiv2k entro|bnc slon ziphyx ekix cableroy matty-- NiLon glut0r sussudio solemnwarning dserban RichiH elmo40 vanksi mavhc regis1 tminos h3sp4wn bolt feitinge1 dancek Eclip |
| 14:49.45 | maddash | 2 |
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| 14:49.49 | maddash | 1 |
| 14:49.49 | epsilon | !ops Blowcow's spamming |
| 14:49.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: epsilon complains about: Blowcow's spamming |
| 14:49.50 | asg | RichiH: can you kill Blowcow please. Thanks. |
| 14:49.52 | maddash | damn, so close |
| 14:50.01 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 14:50.42 | hikenboot | greetings another way of asking is how do i create blank hard drive image files without getting a hard drive that is 350 MB in size and dd'ing it . When I create them with qemu ultraiso wont load them |
| 14:51.06 | tuliox | what fonts do i have to install to make pages look alright in iceweasel 2.0.0.8 ? |
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| 14:52.17 | hikenboot | do i boot a virtual machine and dd the hard drive from within the virtual machine and ftp the resulting image to the real (non virtual pc) |
| 14:52.24 | spx2 | hi |
| 14:52.36 | spx2 | how do I ssh computers behind a router ? |
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| 14:52.58 | spx2 | how can I make my question more clear |
| 14:53.03 | Ronin | spx2: heh |
| 14:53.09 | spx2 | I have 2 computers wich I just put behind a router |
| 14:53.16 | spx2 | and I have from my ISP one dedicated IP |
| 14:53.21 | spx2 | and a MAC |
| 14:53.28 | spx2 | I used to those to configure the router |
| 14:53.41 | spx2 | and the router is giving interwebz to both of the computers |
| 14:53.47 | Ronin | spx2: forward teh port back to the correct ip |
| 14:53.48 | asg | spx2: look for port forwarding in your router config |
| 14:54.32 | maddash | !tell spx2 about enter |
| 14:54.47 | multi_io | hikenboot: dd if=/dev/zero of=thefile bs=1024k count=350 creates a 350MB files filled with zeros |
| 14:55.02 | multi_io | dunno if that's what you want |
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| 14:55.55 | spx2 | Ronin, asg |
| 14:55.56 | multi_io | hikenboot: qemu uses a qemu-specific image file format by default, I think |
| 14:56.10 | spx2 | Ronin asg you are right,but if both have ssh on them and I wnt to ask them ? |
| 14:56.18 | spx2 | Ronin asg I want to ssh any of them |
| 14:56.25 | asg | spx2: the forward port 22 to one and port 2222 to the other |
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| 14:56.55 | spx2 | asg, what use is 2222 ? |
| 14:57.03 | Ronin | spx2: a different port |
| 14:57.09 | asg | spx2: it's just another port. you can ssh to non-standard ports |
| 14:57.22 | tuliox | so nobody is helping me with my problem? :) |
| 14:57.30 | spx2 | asg Ronin I didn't know that |
| 14:58.06 | spx2 | asg Ronin so I should have my ssh daemons run on custom ports and make forwarding rules for the router to know to wich computer to go to ? |
| 14:58.26 | hikenboot | multi_io willl i then be able to add my own boot sector to it do you think? |
| 14:58.27 | asg | spx2: no, they can both run on port 22. Just forward port 2222 on the router to one and port 22 to the other. |
| 14:58.44 | Ronin | tuliox: i suspect teh mscorfonts package |
| 14:58.45 | spx2 | asg, I don't understand |
| 14:58.59 | tuliox | thank you, all i wanted to hear |
| 14:59.06 | asg | spx2: router.ip:22 -> machine1:22 | router.ip:2222 -> machine2:22 |
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| 14:59.41 | spx2 | asg, ok I get it |
| 14:59.46 | spx2 | asg thanks :) |
| 14:59.50 | asg | spx2: you're welcome |
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| 15:00.32 | multi_io | hikenboot: using e.g. fdisk from within the emulated OS it should work I think. |
| 15:01.16 | hikenboot | ok thanks I will try it |
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| 15:02.34 | multi_io | maybe you can even apply fdisk to the image file itself from outside qemu? I'm not sure |
| 15:04.31 | pobega | Why is it that no matter which charset I use in W3M apostrophes always show as gray boxes or question marks? |
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| 15:04.53 | LordDoskias | hi people ;-) |
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| 15:05.02 | LordDoskias | i have debian etch and i want to install package from SID |
| 15:05.16 | LordDoskias | what should i do? add the necessary sid repositories and then do aptitude install pkgname? |
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| 15:06.14 | Ace2016 | lookie lookie http://tech-talk.biz/2007/12/14/linux-mce-video-demo-impressive/ |
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| 15:06.16 | wols | !tell LordDoskias about simple sid backport |
| 15:06.20 | teclo- | okay, still trying to get a working nvidia.ko. I've built 2.6.23.12 from source, and booted it. Now nvidia.ko won't insert. This is because agpgart won't insert |
| 15:06.27 | Ace2016 | its sooo cool |
| 15:06.29 | wols | Ace2016: why do you have to be constantly off topic? |
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| 15:06.31 | teclo- | modprobe agpgart |
| 15:06.40 | teclo- | and I get "FATALerror inserting agpgart" |
| 15:06.46 | Ace2016 | wols: well i wanted to know how to install that |
| 15:07.09 | Ace2016 | does anyone know how to install it in debian (sid) |
| 15:07.14 | Ace2016 | so i have the latest packages |
| 15:07.22 | LordDoskias | wols thank you :) |
| 15:07.23 | teclo- | and in dmesg agpgart says Unknown symbol paravirt_ops |
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| 15:08.05 | Ace2016 | its not in synaptic :( |
| 15:08.38 | LordDoskias | wols ok, so the package is backported |
| 15:08.47 | LordDoskias | but ow can i install it? aptitude search doesn't show it o_O |
| 15:08.49 | pobega | Anyone have any ideas about charsets in w3m? It's not like it's a big deal, but it's quite annoying :) |
| 15:08.55 | Ace2016 | they have a deb for download, but i think its for ubuntu |
| 15:09.03 | pobega | LordDoskias: Did you run aptitude update before trying to install it? |
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| 15:09.37 | LordDoskias | pobega hmz, perhaps i have to add backports to sources.list |
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| 15:11.24 | LordDoskias | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.bg.debian.org etch/backports Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.bg.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_backports_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 15:12.51 | LordDoskias | pobega i should add the backports.org source list? |
| 15:13.05 | pobega | LordDoskias: PasteBin your sources.list |
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| 15:13.31 | LordDoskias | moment |
| 15:13.51 | LordDoskias | http://pastebin.ca/828512 |
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| 15:15.01 | pobega | Mmmm, that's weird. What in your sources.list did you change to try to get the Sid backport working? |
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| 15:15.25 | LordDoskias | erm, nothing actually ;-) |
| 15:15.40 | LordDoskias | deb http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free etch-backports |
| 15:15.40 | pobega | And this just stopped working out of nowhere? |
| 15:16.12 | pobega | Hm? |
| 15:16.32 | LordDoskias | A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 15:16.36 | LordDoskias | perhaps i should do this ;-)? |
| 15:17.04 | asg | LordDoskias: yes and remove etch-backports from your main sources line |
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| 15:17.35 | LordDoskias | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 15:17.40 | LordDoskias | should i be worried about this? |
| 15:17.46 | asg | LordDoskias: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 15:17.55 | asg | LordDoskias: fixing that error is listed further down the page |
| 15:18.10 | espanhol_ | algunna chica q hable español? |
| 15:18.15 | asg | !es |
| 15:18.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:23.44 | biz | hi, is it possible to create an sudoers entry that allows a certain user to run an command as another one witheut typing any password plus restricting the command so it may only be used with one argument? eg "/bin/bla -arg bla" is allowed, but "/bin/bla -arg2 bla" is disallowed? |
| 15:24.19 | cahoot | tried? |
| 15:24.21 | asg | biz: yes |
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| 15:24.48 | LordDoskias | thank you |
| 15:24.49 | LordDoskias | it worked |
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| 15:24.51 | LordDoskias | ;-) |
| 15:25.02 | espanhol_ | algunna chica q hable español para privado? |
| 15:25.17 | streuner_ | !es |
| 15:25.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 15:25.30 | phretor | hi there |
| 15:25.40 | LordDoskias | !bg |
| 15:25.40 | dpkg | Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @ irc.freenode.net) |
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| 15:27.26 | asg | biz: there are tons of examples that cover the issues you brought up at the bottom of the sudoers(5) manpage. |
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| 15:28.26 | phretor | I noticed that an ext3 partition of my USB HD is not correclty recognized on my fresh-install Debian box (while works, and it is automagically mounted, perfectly on my fresh-install Ubuntu box) - (1) do I miss something? (2) how about the *automagically mounted* part? How do I achieve the same result on Debian? |
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| 15:30.51 | biz | asg, cahoot .. thanks :) actually it works - should have tried it first.. |
| 15:31.04 | techouse | already building a live CD |
| 15:31.17 | techouse | haha...that's so easy :D |
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| 15:32.48 | techouse | phretor: why didn't you leave it FAT? |
| 15:33.13 | mwnn | after installing any of the *-doc package, how do i access that documentation? |
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| 15:33.39 | streuner_ | man man |
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| 15:34.22 | streuner_ | mwnn: what kind of packages, does it have a name? |
| 15:34.40 | mwnn | splint-doc (for example) |
| 15:34.53 | asg | mwnn: dpkg -l <pkg> (will show you where the files are installed) |
| 15:34.58 | asg | mwnn: sorry, dpkg -L |
| 15:35.00 | streuner_ | it its tar.gz just use zless |
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| 15:36.36 | mwnn | asg: The files are in /usr/share/doc/splint-doc/*.html |
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| 15:36.41 | mwnn | asg: thanks |
| 15:36.44 | asg | mwnn: you're welcome |
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| 15:39.43 | Cr3ature | any good GUI IRC-Clients? |
| 15:39.52 | dutchfish | !xchar |
| 15:39.54 | asg | Cr3ature: xchat |
| 15:39.55 | Airbottl1 | pidgin? |
| 15:39.56 | dutchfish | !xchat |
| 15:39.56 | dpkg | it has been said that xchat is a nifty irc client that has gnome and transperancy and panel and shaded transperancy and scripting and other cool stuff, or broken because it eats private /msg at least half the time, or doesnt eat /msg at all for some people, or for win32 xchat : http://www.silverex.org/download/, or #xchat @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 15:40.20 | Cr3ature | so how does the installing of a geforce GFX card go with debian? |
| 15:40.28 | Cr3ature | go to nvidia page and download drivers? |
| 15:40.40 | Airbottl1 | !pidgin |
| 15:40.40 | dpkg | pidgin is, like, formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 15:40.40 | streuner_ | no |
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| 15:40.52 | dutchfish | !nvidia |
| 15:40.52 | Cr3ature | how then :( |
| 15:40.52 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 15:41.18 | phretor | techouse: your question does not actually answer my question. I didn't use FAT32 cause permissions matter for me. |
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| 15:41.36 | streuner_ | "nv" works well, but doesnt support 3d |
| 15:41.41 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 15:41.45 | Cr3ature | so its pointless |
| 15:41.54 | phretor | techouse: but, *this* is not *the* problem. The problem is that it works on a Debian-based distro, but not on native debian. |
| 15:42.00 | techouse | hmm...i never had problem with fat32 usbsticks |
| 15:42.14 | Cr3ature | For 3D acceleration use the non-free nvidia driver |
| 15:42.16 | techouse | maybe you're missing a package? |
| 15:42.23 | streuner_ | read wiki.debian.org then |
| 15:42.36 | phretor | techouse: have I told you that I am having problems with FAT32? |
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| 15:43.11 | dutchfish | phretor, what is your q? |
| 15:43.12 | LordDoskias | if i have p-t-p connection with someone |
| 15:43.13 | asg | phretor: /msg dpkg automount |
| 15:43.22 | techouse | no, but you are definitely missing one or two packages for automounting |
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| 15:43.38 | LordDoskias | and i want to be used as a default gw should i type some sort of iptables rules to NAT the connection? |
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| 15:44.33 | phretor | asg: automount is already up and running as well as hal and friends. Nothing happens when I plug the usb-hd in. My question is "why I cannot correctly recognize and mount an ext3 via usb, while this is done, even automatically, on ubuntu?" |
| 15:44.40 | techouse | cr3ature: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant |
| 15:44.50 | phretor | the last part was for dutchfish |
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| 15:45.16 | techouse | cr3ature: then type m-a prepare, m-a a-i nvidia |
| 15:45.24 | asg | phretor: I've no idea what ubuntu does. Perhaps asking them how they do it would help you ask us how to make it happen. |
| 15:46.01 | techouse | cr3ature: when this is done just edit your xourg.conf and exchange nv with nvidia and restart X |
| 15:46.03 | Cr3ature | techouse: im apparently checking if there is a precompiled thingy |
| 15:46.04 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 15:46.04 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman> or <autofs>. |
| 15:46.08 | Cr3ature | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:46.17 | asg | dutchfish: he was already pointed to that factoid |
| 15:46.25 | dutchfish | asg, oops, sorry |
| 15:46.27 | techouse | cr3ature: what's your uname -r say? |
| 15:46.38 | Cr3ature | 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 15:46.43 | Cr3ature | that should be kinda new? |
| 15:46.54 | techouse | cr3ature: then you'll have to compile it like i told you above |
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| 15:46.57 | dutchfish | phretor, asg maybe a issue of rights? |
| 15:46.58 | streuner_ | read wiki.debian.org then |
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| 15:46.59 | Cr3ature | oh ok |
| 15:47.03 | Cr3ature | well its not a problem |
| 15:47.10 | orveldv | I would need some information, AFAIK security updates should make their way into "stable", however there has been a big security announce on the lighttpd page for some time, but no update into Etch; any idea what's happening? |
| 15:47.18 | techouse | m-a a-i nvidia is done in 20 seconds |
| 15:47.20 | techouse | :D |
| 15:47.28 | streuner_ | Cr3: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 15:47.38 | streuner_ | no |
| 15:47.48 | hdevalence | What does it mean to get the message "No kernel modules were found" when installing from a CD |
| 15:47.52 | asg | dutchfish: maybe, we don't know if he's using the gnome bits, kde bits, ivman or just autofs. If the latter, it won't mount on plugin, only when one attempts to use the mountpoint. |
| 15:47.55 | streuner_ | nvidia stuff in testing and unstable is broken, atm. |
| 15:48.15 | dutchfish | asg, oki |
| 15:48.33 | asg | orveldv: see if it's been reported in the bts. It's also possible that that issue doesn't affect the version in etch. |
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| 15:49.21 | Cr3ature | m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 15:49.29 | Cr3ature | nvidia needs to be replased :( |
| 15:49.45 | orveldv | asg: thanks ; they say "all 1.4.x users should upgrade to 1.4.18" and the version in Etch is 1.4.13-4etch4 |
| 15:49.52 | teclo- | okay, I'm almost there with my nvidia binary kernel module on lenny. I succesfully built the nvidia.ko using ./NVIDIA-bah-run . The nvidia.ko module loads. But, when I start X, I get a black screen. However, if I replace nvidia with nv in xorg.conf, X starts properly. Any idea ? |
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| 15:50.06 | Cr3ature | 96xx |
| 15:50.08 | Cr3ature | can i use that? |
| 15:50.16 | phretor | is etch->sid a feasible dist-upgrade |
| 15:50.17 | phretor | ? |
| 15:50.21 | circcasky | Hi @ all...i want to ask, which backup solution you know?? |
| 15:50.29 | StyXman | Cr3ature: depends on your board. which is it? |
| 15:50.35 | Cr3ature | 9600 TI |
| 15:50.36 | SPF | tar |
| 15:50.40 | Trinchen | dd |
| 15:50.41 | circcasky | i am grafikdesigner, i want to backup my data on a pc |
| 15:50.42 | StyXman | phretor: most people do that |
| 15:50.43 | Cr3ature | GayForce4 |
| 15:50.43 | SPF | mysql_dump |
| 15:50.49 | phretor | thanks |
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| 15:51.02 | uzbek | good day all! |
| 15:51.06 | Trinchen | Only your files or a whole system? |
| 15:51.07 | StyXman | Cr3ature: 96xx is right, then |
| 15:51.09 | phretor | what's the magic question for dpkg about upgrading from etch to sid? :) |
| 15:51.15 | Cr3ature | 96xx, what is 96xx? |
| 15:51.18 | Cr3ature | is says that |
| 15:51.28 | Cr3ature | m-a auto-install 96xx |
| 15:51.29 | circcasky | Any Backup solutions? |
| 15:51.30 | Cr3ature | i did that |
| 15:51.31 | circcasky | guys? |
| 15:51.35 | uzbek | mysql can't start it says: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 15:51.41 | phretor | circcasky: bacula |
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| 15:51.55 | teclo- | you there tarzeau ? |
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| 15:52.04 | StyXman | Cr3ature: nvidia is deprecating old cards. 96xx it's the latests nvidia module version that supports gForce4 boards |
| 15:52.08 | Trinchen | phretor: just enter the repositories of sid into /etc/apt/sources.list. Then upgrade. All paks will be upgraded to sid. |
| 15:52.08 | tarzeau | teclo-: yes |
| 15:52.15 | teclo- | tarzeau: ah :) |
| 15:52.18 | teclo- | okay, I'm almost there with my nvidia binary kernel module on lenny. I succesfully built the nvidia.ko using ./NVIDIA-bah-run . The nvidia.ko module loads. But, when I start X, I get a black screen. However, if I replace nvidia with nv in xorg.conf, X starts properly. Any idea ? |
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| 15:52.20 | StyXman | Cr3ature: ah, I never used m-a, sorry |
| 15:52.26 | Cr3ature | :( |
| 15:52.32 | Cr3ature | i had no drivers? |
| 15:52.35 | Cr3ature | s |
| 15:52.44 | StyXman | Cr3ature: I didn't say that |
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| 15:52.47 | phretor | Trinchen: sed s/etch/sid/g /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 15:52.52 | tarzeau | teclo-: nv is not the binary drvier |
| 15:53.02 | asg | orveldv: also, check http://idssi.enyo.de/tracker/status/release/stable |
| 15:53.05 | teclo- | tarzeau: yeah nv is the opensource driver |
| 15:53.07 | StyXman | tarzeau: propietary* :-P |
| 15:53.11 | mbroeker | teclo-, paste the content of the Xorg.log.0 file in /var/log! |
| 15:53.16 | teclo- | tarzeau: but with nvidia, black screen, no nvidia splash screen |
| 15:53.19 | Cr3ature | Run the following command, but substitute nvidia by nvidia-kernel-legacy-source if you want to install the legacy drivers OR nvidia-kernel-legacy-XXxx if you are using Sid replacing XXxx one of the packages listed here. |
| 15:53.21 | orveldv | asg: thanks |
| 15:53.27 | Cr3ature | i don't understand what that means |
| 15:53.29 | Trinchen | phretor: This is the COMPLICATED way. Teke a usual editor like vi. |
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| 15:53.41 | phretor | Trinchen: :) |
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| 15:53.51 | tarzeau | teclo-: dunno, works for me |
| 15:53.59 | teclo- | tarzeau: ok :) |
| 15:54.07 | teclo- | I'm gonna look into /var/log/Xorg.log.0 |
| 15:54.19 | StyXman | Cr3ature: I guess it's m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 15:54.27 | mbroeker | teclo-, can you paste the content of that file? |
| 15:54.31 | Cr3ature | oh :-D |
| 15:54.37 | Cr3ature | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx, what is nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx? |
| 15:54.55 | Cr3ature | they should really give some example commands |
| 15:55.01 | StyXman | Cr3ature: toldya, it's the latest nvidia driver version that runs gforce4 |
| 15:55.02 | Cr3ature | this is too cryptic |
| 15:55.12 | mwnn | is there a way to find out which of the 3 DVDs contain the package i need? |
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| 15:55.14 | Cr3ature | dude thats the output |
| 15:55.16 | Cr3ature | of the command |
| 15:55.16 | StyXman | Cr3ature: use *buntu instead? |
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| 15:55.30 | Cr3ature | foobar:~# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx |
| 15:55.30 | Cr3ature | nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx, what is nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx? |
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| 15:55.39 | Cr3ature | man.. |
| 15:55.40 | SpeedyG | hi, i've got this disk thats almost dying, and I want to create an exact copy of one of the partitions (the one containing windows and the mbr containing grub). Can this be done easily and if so, how can I do this? :) |
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| 15:56.27 | kdeuser^ | hi |
| 15:56.32 | StyXman | Cr3ature: jo! |
| 15:56.32 | teclo- | the last thing in X.org.0.log is "Initializing extension GLX" |
| 15:56.35 | kdeuser^ | how do I get flash working in opera |
| 15:56.42 | teclo- | perhaps some problem with nvidia-glx ? |
| 15:56.46 | teclo- | do I need nvidia-glx ? |
| 15:56.51 | kdeuser^ | where do install the plugins using the flash-installer ? |
| 15:56.56 | StyXman | SpeedyG: check sfdik out, IIRC |
| 15:56.59 | Cr3ature | i don't know what to write in that |
| 15:57.01 | orveldv | asg: ok it seems I should get the package from lenny to solve the problem ; thank you |
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| 15:57.12 | asg | orveldv: try backports.org first |
| 15:57.17 | StyXman | Cr3ature: sorry, never user m-a :( |
| 15:57.26 | StyXman | I just install the -source and compile by hand |
| 15:57.36 | Cr3ature | ill do that then |
| 15:57.43 | Cr3ature | from the nvidia page |
| 15:58.03 | asg | orveldv: since this is a DoS type vulnerability, you could just use iptables to do rate limiting instead of relying on the daemon and keep the stable lighty. Your choice though depending on your security posture. |
| 15:58.05 | teclo- | StyXman: yeah but, no more nvidia-kernel-source in lenny |
| 15:58.18 | SpeedyG | StyXman: what is it, and where can I find it? It seems that its not in the etch repo by default ? |
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| 15:58.49 | Cr3ature | oh jesus |
| 15:59.00 | Cr3ature | the Geforce 4 is deprecated at nvidia driver page |
| 15:59.11 | Cr3ature | it doesn't have any drivers anymore |
| 15:59.25 | kdeuser^ | anyone knows how to get flash working in opera ? |
| 15:59.49 | uzbek | what does this mean? 071222 17:58:53 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Cannot assign requested address |
| 15:59.51 | mbroeker | opera is evil. really evil. |
| 15:59.56 | StyXman | SpeedyG: lemme check |
| 16:00.05 | kdeuser^ | thats why I like it :) |
| 16:00.43 | kdeuser^ | I downloaded the flash installer from adobe site |
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| 16:01.02 | Mitja | mbroeker: why? |
| 16:01.08 | dutchfish | uzbek, adress is alreadyin use? |
| 16:01.20 | orveldv | asg: I see ; thanks for the great advices |
| 16:02.25 | asg | orveldv: you're welcome |
| 16:02.37 | mbroeker | Mitja, i have some websites and "optimized them for firefox, mozilla. adjusted it for some windows users and integrated konqueror. all theese browser displayed the sites properly. Except Opera. Except Opera. I do not support anymore... |
| 16:02.49 | uzbek | dutchfish, it must a global error in my system. recently i had combined two linux partitions (system files and home). both mysql and apache virtual hosts stoppped working. i guess something wrong with this tcp/ip :( |
| 16:02.58 | StyXman | SpeedyG: util-linux |
| 16:03.14 | Cr3ature | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_x86_96.43.01.html |
| 16:03.16 | Cr3ature | im doing that |
| 16:03.22 | Mitja | oh, yeah, that happens |
| 16:03.54 | dutchfish | uzbek, did your ip change? |
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| 16:04.30 | uzbek | my isp dynamicly changes ip, if i got you right |
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| 16:04.55 | dutchfish | uzbek, that could be problem related |
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| 16:05.48 | uzbek | dutchfish, but it has been so all the time and the applications worked |
| 16:06.05 | hdevalence_ | How would I fix an error I get while trying to install "No kernel modules found"? |
| 16:06.24 | ravn | anyone: what is the difference between "automatically held back" and only "held back" when working with e.g aptitude? |
| 16:06.45 | dutchfish | uzbek, look in your syslog and route -n |
| 16:06.59 | Cr3ature | The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler (gcc 4.2). The Linux 2.6 kernel module loader rejects kernel modules built with a version of gcc that does not exactly match that of the compiler used to buil the running kernel. |
| 16:07.03 | Cr3ature | jesus |
| 16:07.08 | Cr3ature | is this hard or what |
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| 16:07.59 | dutchfish | uzbek, also check if apache and mysql bind to the right ip adress |
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| 16:09.21 | teclo- | hmmm where can I find nvidia-kernel-source for lenny ? |
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| 16:09.38 | StyXman | teclo-: chech packages.debian.org |
| 16:11.46 | dutchfish | nvidia-kernel-src should be in repo |
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| 16:15.26 | dutchfish | ouchi its not in testing but in sid http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:15.29 | Cr3ature | hmm |
| 16:15.31 | hark | not in lenny |
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| 16:15.48 | StyXman | hark: any reason why? |
| 16:15.48 | Cr3ature | well im confused |
| 16:15.51 | Cr3ature | big time |
| 16:16.08 | Cr3ature | i've installed this card couple times |
| 16:16.16 | Cr3ature | but i don't remember how i did it |
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| 16:16.42 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.01 | dutchfish | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 16:17.16 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 16:18.32 | hark | you can backport it from sid |
| 16:18.43 | Cr3ature | The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler (gcc 4.2). The Linux 2.6 kernel module loader rejects kernel modules built with a version of gcc that does not exactly match that of the compiler used to buil the running kernel. |
| 16:18.50 | Cr3ature | how do i downgrade my gcc? |
| 16:19.05 | Cr3ature | i apparrently need the one that was used to make my kernel |
| 16:19.05 | dutchfish | patience ;) |
| 16:19.16 | Cr3ature | or i make new kernel with MY gcc |
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| 16:19.28 | Cr3ature | which one i do? |
| 16:19.29 | StyXman | Cr3ature: try installing gcc-4.1 |
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| 16:19.33 | Cr3ature | hmm ok |
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| 16:19.45 | whyx | hi |
| 16:19.50 | whyx | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2007-12/msg00157.html |
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| 16:20.29 | Cr3ature | StyXman: installed it |
| 16:20.39 | Cr3ature | what now? |
| 16:20.43 | Cr3ature | i still get the same from installer |
| 16:20.55 | StyXman | GCC=gcc-4.1 <command>, I guess |
| 16:21.03 | Cr3ature | command? |
| 16:21.08 | Cr3ature | env variable |
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| 16:21.23 | StyXman | hmm, yes |
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| 16:21.36 | Cr3ature | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.39 | Cr3ature | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.43 | Cr3ature | so CC ? |
| 16:21.47 | StyXman | if you say GCC=gcc-4.1 ls, that envvar will work for just that command |
| 16:21.54 | StyXman | CC then, yes |
| 16:21.54 | teclo- | you still there tarzeau ? |
| 16:21.58 | tarzeau | teclo-: yes |
| 16:22.02 | teclo- | I think I might have found something |
| 16:22.10 | Cr3ature | still the same error |
| 16:22.17 | teclo- | packages nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source are in etch and sid but *not* in lenny |
| 16:22.26 | Nyle | well i put my pot down somewhere last night and now i can't find it |
| 16:22.29 | Nyle | just fucking great |
| 16:22.32 | teclo- | I've still got this nvidia-glx as a leftover from etch, perhaps should I remove it ? |
| 16:22.36 | Nyle | this is not a good morning so far |
| 16:22.45 | tarzeau | teclo-: aha? i do't use any of the debian nvidia packages |
| 16:22.53 | Nyle | tarzeau: why not |
| 16:22.55 | tarzeau | teclo-: perphaps |
| 16:22.57 | teclo- | tarzeau: ah ? nvidia-kernel-source ? |
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| 16:23.04 | tarzeau | Nyle: because they are older than what i have? |
| 16:23.05 | teclo- | let's try killing nvidia-glx... |
| 16:23.13 | Nyle | ok then |
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| 16:23.22 | Nyle | tarzeau: you wanna help me find my pot? |
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| 16:23.43 | Cr3ature | i used export |
| 16:23.48 | Cr3ature | now i get different erro ;) |
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| 16:23.57 | StyXman | Cr3ature: that works too, yes |
| 16:24.01 | tarzeau | Nyle: i'm going to play the new www.sauerbraten.org now |
| 16:24.10 | Cr3ature | StyXman: now it needs the sources of my kernel |
| 16:24.11 | Nyle | tarzeau: i tried that game and i can't dig it |
| 16:24.13 | Cr3ature | ill just apt-get them |
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| 16:24.25 | Nyle | tarzeau: i been playing doomsday + doom2 + megawads |
| 16:24.35 | Nyle | recently Momento Mori 2 |
| 16:24.45 | Cr3ature | apt-get install linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 16:24.47 | StyXman | Cr3ature: install just the kernel-headers |
| 16:25.04 | Cr3ature | hmm ok |
| 16:25.11 | fengor | tarzeau: you were the one who had the backport of sauerbraten right? :) |
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| 16:25.17 | tarzeau | Nyle: you got to connect to a server and play multiplayer |
| 16:25.23 | tarzeau | fengor: yep |
| 16:25.25 | Nyle | tarzeau: I tried |
| 16:25.28 | Nyle | tarzeau: its boring |
| 16:25.42 | fengor | can i ask for the url i have to add to sources.list for lenny? ;) |
| 16:25.49 | Nyle | tarzeau: no flying skulls, no fireball shooting imps, no cyber demons or pain elementals or cacodemons |
| 16:25.52 | Cr3ature | soo? apt-get install linux-headers-${uname -r} |
| 16:25.57 | Nyle | i gotta kill satanic demons dude |
| 16:26.02 | Cr3ature | something like that? |
| 16:26.08 | tarzeau | fengor: lenny has the same as sid now |
| 16:26.12 | Cr3ature | -bash: linux-headers-${uname -r}: bad substitution |
| 16:26.18 | tarzeau | fengor: but here's my etch backpor: http://krum.ethz.ch/backports/sauerbraten/ |
| 16:26.20 | Cr3ature | not quite |
| 16:26.33 | Claudio32m | is there a ncurse utility fronted for the dump and restore commands for backup? |
| 16:26.35 | Cr3ature | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 16:26.36 | StyXman | Cr3ature: $(uname -r) |
| 16:26.39 | Cr3ature | there isn't headers for me? |
| 16:26.43 | Claudio32m | *front end |
| 16:26.49 | Cr3ature | they already removed the headers |
| 16:26.51 | fengor | really? i only find a package called sauerbraten-data no client though :( |
| 16:26.53 | Cr3ature | there is -3 o.o |
| 16:26.57 | teclo- | yeaaaaaaaah it works |
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| 16:27.09 | teclo- | just had to aptitude --purge remove nvidia-glx |
| 16:27.15 | StyXman | Cr3ature: is it a completely updated sid install, that one? |
| 16:27.20 | teclo- | now the nvidia propriatery drivers work very well in lenny |
| 16:27.21 | teclo- | df -h |
| 16:27.22 | teclo- | oops |
| 16:27.23 | Nyle | how do you say it |
| 16:27.25 | Nyle | sour breton? |
| 16:27.27 | Nyle | like morrowind |
| 16:27.28 | Cr3ature | StyXman: im gonna upgrade now |
| 16:27.37 | Cr3ature | ?? |
| 16:27.38 | Nyle | the name alone pisses me off |
| 16:27.46 | Cr3ature | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 16:27.53 | Cr3ature | it doesn't offer me a new kernel? |
| 16:27.58 | Cr3ature | why not |
| 16:28.24 | Cr3ature | dist-upgrade? |
| 16:28.40 | StyXman | Cr3ature: try, but I think they removed that |
| 16:28.53 | Cr3ature | didn't work |
| 16:28.55 | Cr3ature | 0 updates |
| 16:28.57 | Cr3ature | wtf |
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| 16:29.01 | hark | Cr3ature: you don't have the kernel metapackage installed |
| 16:29.11 | Cr3ature | whats that |
| 16:29.24 | Cr3ature | apt-cache search kernel | grep meta |
| 16:29.40 | hark | install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:29.52 | Cr3ature | yea ill do that |
| 16:29.58 | dutchfish | are there other packages in debian etch then "fake" that can do a gratuitous arp? |
| 16:31.11 | dutchfish | fake doesnt seam to do well on a bridged firewall :( |
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| 16:33.16 | dutchfish | ah nvm ... its the clear routers part that i need to take out ... |
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| 16:35.04 | gonzaloaf | hi, when sharing files using samba... do I have to add some user whom is going to have access to the shares? |
| 16:35.14 | Airbottl1 | yes |
| 16:35.20 | gonzaloaf | how? |
| 16:35.24 | Airbottl1 | if its a windows user |
| 16:35.29 | dutchfish | gonzaloaf, depends on your backend, but per default yes |
| 16:35.31 | _Trinchen | except guest is allowed. |
| 16:35.31 | Nyle | smbpasswd -a Airbottl1 |
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| 16:36.03 | multi_io | dnsmasq question: dnsmasq logs the message "no servers found in /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf, will retry". Why does it look there? That does not appear to be documented anywhere. |
| 16:36.05 | Nyle | oops |
| 16:36.06 | Nyle | gonzaloaf: |
| 16:36.10 | gonzaloaf | smbpasswd -a <user> ? |
| 16:36.23 | Nyle | why are you asking me? |
| 16:36.28 | Nyle | type man smbpasswd |
| 16:36.31 | Nyle | ffs |
| 16:36.36 | gonzaloaf | ok |
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| 16:36.52 | gonzaloaf | relax |
| 16:36.57 | Nyle | i can't! |
| 16:36.59 | Nyle | godamit |
| 16:37.01 | Nyle | I lost my pot |
| 16:37.06 | dutchfish | multi_io, are you using dhcp3? |
| 16:37.10 | gonzaloaf | :o |
| 16:37.25 | Airbottl1 | linux users can acces your shared maps without account, but windows users need a username and password gonzaloaf |
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| 16:38.07 | gonzaloaf | Airbottl1, thank you |
| 16:38.13 | multi_io | dutchfish: I have it installed still, but I stopped it and removed it from /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 16:38.34 | dutchfish | multi_io, thats why |
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| 16:39.33 | Airbottl1 | you're welcome gonzaloaf, you can check this site http://samba.netfirms.com/index.htm |
| 16:39.33 | Nyle | In time you will find yourself trapped in a corner. These four words my friend, I promise you will not forget |
| 16:39.35 | multi_io | dutchfish: I'm afraid I don't understand |
| 16:39.36 | StyXman | multi_io: dou you have resolvconf installed (the packege, not the file)? |
| 16:39.42 | multi_io | StyXman: yes |
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| 16:39.51 | multi_io | /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 16:39.52 | StyXman | multi_io: that's why, then |
| 16:39.54 | Cr3ature | how do i apt-get install the selections? |
| 16:40.00 | dutchfish | multi_io, use dhcp-client instead of dhcp3-client |
| 16:40.03 | Cr3ature | i did dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt |
| 16:40.14 | Nyle | <? |
| 16:40.41 | Cr3ature | its supposed to be >? |
| 16:40.49 | HardDisk_WP | if i use grub, must the first partition be something grub can read, or can grubs datapartition be on /dev/sda2? |
| 16:40.52 | multi_io | dutchfish: I don't want to use any dhcp *client* on this machine... |
| 16:40.59 | Cr3ature | no way |
| 16:41.04 | dutchfish | multi_io, ok, follow StyXman |
| 16:41.12 | Nyle | !wayttd Cr3ature |
| 16:41.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Cr3ature? |
| 16:41.50 | multi_io | StyXman: see? my /etc/resolv.conf is linked to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, not to /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf |
| 16:42.01 | Cr3ature | Nyle: i have a packet list im trying to install |
| 16:43.04 | Nyle | Cr3ature: you generated the file with --get-selections? |
| 16:43.09 | Cr3ature | yup |
| 16:43.09 | Nyle | hopefully |
| 16:43.15 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:43.19 | Nyle | whats the problem? |
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| 16:43.28 | Cr3ature | Nyle: how do i now install them? :D |
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| 16:43.40 | damog | yoooooo. |
| 16:43.41 | Nyle | like you were |
| 16:43.45 | Nyle | damog: hey buddy |
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| 16:43.48 | Cr3ature | how? |
| 16:43.49 | Nyle | damog: happy holidays |
| 16:43.55 | Cr3ature | i wasn't wereing anything |
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| 16:43.57 | Nyle | --set-selceions |
| 16:43.58 | StyXman | multi_io: that's why you surely have 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf, but the real dns's in the one dnsmask reads |
| 16:44.02 | Cr3ature | Nyle: and? |
| 16:44.09 | Cr3ature | what now? |
| 16:44.11 | Nyle | hang on |
| 16:44.13 | Cr3ature | apt-get install selections? |
| 16:44.21 | EbiDK | It's Danish, there's no english translation. If you want me to translate anything I'll give it a try. |
| 16:44.21 | damog | Nyle: you too man, how is it going? |
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| 16:45.09 | EbiDK | Duh wrong channel |
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| 16:46.13 | jahshua | hello |
| 16:46.16 | jahshua | so i accidentally ran dpkg-reconfigure -a as root, i meant to run dpkg --configure -a .. so i killed the dpkg-reconfigure just after it started and rebooted the system, now the system is acting a bit strange, locate - command not found .. updatedb - command not found .. etc, could anyone help me out please? :/ |
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| 16:46.34 | Maakuth | jahshua, echo $PATH |
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| 16:47.50 | jahshua | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 16:48.05 | StyXman | jahshua: seems like you broke the alternatives? |
| 16:48.27 | multi_io | StyXman: ah |
| 16:48.31 | multi_io | I see |
| 16:48.33 | Maakuth | jahshua, try /usr/bin/locate |
| 16:48.55 | multi_io | thanks |
| 16:49.11 | jahshua | Maakuth: it doesn't exist :/ |
| 16:49.50 | Maakuth | hmmh.. did it exist before ? :) |
| 16:49.54 | yast_ | is there a way to change the keyboard layout at the shell ? im on a debian etch |
| 16:50.37 | jahshua | Maakuth: yes. |
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| 16:51.22 | orveldv | StyXman: are there some benefits of installing resolvconf? I have a simple /etc/resolv.conf file, dhcp3-client writes to it and dnsmasq reads ok ; do I need to install resolconf? |
| 16:51.34 | Nyle | !ribbed for her pleasure |
| 16:51.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ribbed for her pleasure is see apt-get |
| 16:51.54 | dutchfish | !dumpkeys |
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| 16:52.27 | jelly-ho | Nyle: like, wtf is that factoid about |
| 16:52.45 | Nyle | !factinfo ribbed for her pleasure |
| 16:52.45 | dpkg | ribbed for her pleasure -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu> at Thu Oct 31 01:04:07 2002 (1878 days); it has been requested 2 times, last by Nyle, 1m 11s ago. |
| 16:52.52 | Nyle | don't ask me. |
| 16:53.04 | StyXman | orveldv: the only advantage would be that you could be using your local dns (dnsmasq) in the server |
| 16:53.17 | Nyle | it was created by the man high up in the food chain |
| 16:53.24 | vchrizz | hi, what could be the problem when i cant ping/connect either from my linux box to my wrt54gl router nor the other way round when i set a fixed ip on the router, but when i tell the wrt, it should use dhcp from my linux box, both can ping/connect each other... |
| 16:53.40 | orveldv | StyXman: I see ; thanks |
| 16:54.42 | jelly-ho | Nyle: it was the happier days |
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| 16:54.54 | Nyle | yup |
| 16:54.56 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:54.59 | Nyle | longo times agos |
| 16:55.03 | Nyle | must poop |
| 16:55.04 | Nyle | bbl |
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| 16:56.36 | jelly-ho | men were real men, women were real women, and douglas adams references were real douglas adams references |
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| 16:58.12 | Cr3ature | so the nvidia drivers? |
| 16:58.22 | Cr3ature | not gonna work? |
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| 16:59.27 | StyXman | Cr3ature: so, did you install the kernel-headers? |
| 16:59.31 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 16:59.36 | Cr3ature | didn't change anything |
| 16:59.50 | Cr3ature | the installer doesnt find |
| 16:59.56 | StyXman | what's the last it said? |
| 17:00.23 | Cr3ature | lemme look |
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| 17:01.13 | multi_io | is it advisable to let dnsmasq listen on all interfaces (and internally discard those it's not really interested in?) |
| 17:01.14 | Cr3ature | Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. |
| 17:01.24 | Cr3ature | '--kernel-source-path' command line option. |
| 17:01.28 | Cr3ature | i could use that |
| 17:01.38 | Cr3ature | what is it? |
| 17:01.46 | Cr3ature | something like /usr/src/ |
| 17:01.47 | yast_ | is there a way to change the keyboard layout at the shell ? im on a debian etch |
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| 17:02.30 | StyXman | multi_io: yah |
| 17:02.55 | StyXman | Cr3ature: /usr/src/<some dir there, go check> |
| 17:03.05 | StyXman | yast_: loadkeys us |
| 17:03.07 | orveldv | multi_io: I usually specify "interface=" in its config file |
| 17:03.27 | Cr3ature | nothing |
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| 17:03.50 | Cr3ature | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 26 2007-12-22 10:48 linux -> linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 17:03.56 | StyXman | Cr3ature: which dir was it? |
| 17:04.30 | yast_ | thxs StyX |
| 17:04.31 | Cr3ature | ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.01-pkg1.run --kernel-source-path /usr/src/linux |
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| 17:04.49 | Cr3ature | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.11 | StyXman | Cr3ature: but is it? |
| 17:05.12 | Cr3ature | do i need to compile my own kernel |
| 17:05.29 | Cr3ature | i don't then get the security updates |
| 17:05.32 | StyXman | Cr3ature: does /usr/src/linux exist? |
| 17:05.32 | Hoxzer | just install headers |
| 17:05.43 | StyXman | Hoxzer: he already have those |
| 17:05.43 | Cr3ature | i don't know |
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| 17:05.48 | Cr3ature | how can i know |
| 17:05.49 | StyXman | Cr3ature: go check, man! |
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| 17:06.14 | Cr3ature | ill try: file /usr/src/linux |
| 17:06.16 | Hoxzer | StyXman: why not use them as kernel path AFAIK it should wokr |
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| 17:06.25 | Cr3ature | /usr/src/linux: broken symbolic link to `linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686' |
| 17:06.39 | Cr3ature | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 17:06.43 | Cr3ature | there isn't |
| 17:06.47 | Cr3ature | kernel.com? |
| 17:07.01 | Cr3ature | lol kernel.com has been owned |
| 17:07.13 | techouse | no....ap-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 17:07.18 | techouse | apt-get* |
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| 17:07.33 | Cr3ature | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 |
| 17:07.39 | Cr3ature | oh its kernel.org |
| 17:07.43 | techouse | backports? |
| 17:07.47 | StyXman | Hoxzer: I know, he doesn't :-| |
| 17:07.56 | Cr3ature | no? |
| 17:08.07 | StyXman | techouse: sid |
| 17:08.34 | Cr3ature | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.16.22.tar.bz2 |
| 17:08.35 | tiredbones | I've tried two different iso images and seem not work. I tried to get the netinst and the full image for amd64. Could someone point me to a good image? |
| 17:08.38 | Cr3ature | tada? |
| 17:08.40 | techouse | styxman: i got my 2.6.22-6 from backports |
| 17:08.51 | techouse | styxman: i got my 2.6.23-1 from backports |
| 17:08.52 | techouse | :P |
| 17:09.02 | StyXman | Cr3ature: dont, please |
| 17:09.09 | StyXman | Cr3ature: gimme a sec |
| 17:09.44 | Cr3ature | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 17:09.52 | Cr3ature | maybe like that |
| 17:09.55 | techouse | yeah |
| 17:09.58 | Cr3ature | yeah! |
| 17:10.03 | jahshua | Maakuth: hi |
| 17:10.03 | techouse | i got 2.6.22-3-amd64 |
| 17:10.04 | fredl | is it possible to add more folders to the GNOME 'Places' ? |
| 17:10.18 | Cr3ature | lets do this! |
| 17:10.33 | Cr3ature | aaaand its done |
| 17:10.34 | StyXman | Cr3ature: yeah!@ |
| 17:10.49 | techouse | cr3ature: just add backports in your sources.list |
| 17:10.51 | StyXman | Cr3ature: you ostly need to rebot |
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| 17:10.57 | Cr3ature | a quick peek into menu.1st first |
| 17:11.00 | yast_ | hmm cant get loadkeys to work,gives me a "coulnd get a file descriptor referring to the console" error |
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| 17:11.04 | StyXman | techouse: backports is not only for stable? |
| 17:11.07 | Cr3ature | so no nasty surprises |
| 17:11.17 | Cr3ature | looks ok |
| 17:11.18 | StyXman | Cr3ature: update-grub, maybe |
| 17:11.20 | techouse | styxman: i use it on lenny/sid |
| 17:11.26 | Cr3ature | its already updated |
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| 17:11.36 | StyXman | techouse: dou you get anything interesting? |
| 17:11.45 | Cr3ature | reboot |
| 17:11.53 | Cr3ature | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 17:11.53 | techouse | from backports? |
| 17:12.07 | Cr3ature | the uptime killer ;( |
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| 17:12.15 | StyXman | techouse: yah |
| 17:12.15 | techouse | cr3ature: sudo shutdown -r now |
| 17:12.27 | Cr3ature | shutdown -c |
| 17:12.44 | techouse | only the linux-images and headers |
| 17:12.49 | Cr3ature | its back up! |
| 17:13.08 | Cr3ature | the debian repo doesn't have VLC btw |
| 17:13.14 | techouse | it does |
| 17:13.15 | Cr3ature | or avidemux |
| 17:13.31 | techouse | don't know about that, but vlc is definitely in it |
| 17:13.38 | Cr3ature | definetly not :( |
| 17:13.53 | Cr3ature | is my sources file somehow retarded? |
| 17:14.00 | techouse | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:14.01 | Cr3ature | am i missing something important |
| 17:14.20 | Cr3ature | deb ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 17:14.22 | techouse | <Cr3ature> is my sources file somehow retarded? <-- probably |
| 17:14.42 | jelly-ho | !info vlc lenny |
| 17:14.51 | Cr3ature | !info vlc |
| 17:14.58 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player and streamer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6.c-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1114 kB, Installed size: 3064 kB |
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| 17:15.14 | jelly-ho | Cr3ature: vlc is currently not present in testing |
| 17:15.15 | techouse | cr3ature: get mplayer instead |
| 17:15.24 | Cr3ature | E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
| 17:15.33 | Cr3ature | im gonna go get the VLC from the VLC site |
| 17:15.38 | techouse | then get it from sid |
| 17:15.53 | Airbottl1 | why did they left vlc out? |
| 17:15.57 | jelly-ho | !tell Cr3ature about why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:16.00 | Airbottl1 | its a great player |
| 17:16.03 | techouse | cause vlc sux |
| 17:16.08 | techouse | mplayer ftw! |
| 17:16.11 | Cr3ature | VLC is the greatest |
| 17:16.27 | techouse | cr3ature: you on kde? |
| 17:16.31 | Cr3ature | no |
| 17:16.32 | Airbottl1 | vlc is really quick and supports a great deal of the audio and video formats |
| 17:16.33 | Cr3ature | Xfce4 |
| 17:16.35 | jelly-ho | Airbottl1: purely technical raisins http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 17:16.36 | techouse | oh |
| 17:16.40 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 17:16.44 | Cr3ature | it supports like everything |
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| 17:17.01 | Airbottl1 | aha ok |
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| 17:17.04 | Airbottl1 | i see |
| 17:17.08 | techouse | i don't like xfce |
| 17:17.15 | Cr3ature | i like Wmii |
| 17:17.18 | techouse | kde is my love |
| 17:17.24 | Cr3ature | kde is my hate |
| 17:17.27 | Cr3ature | wmii is my love |
| 17:17.30 | Airbottl1 | kde is my hate too |
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| 17:17.43 | Airbottl1 | gnome is so much easier and more efficient to use for me |
| 17:17.56 | Airbottl1 | but kde has great programs |
| 17:17.58 | Cr3ature | fluxbox is somewhere in the middle |
| 17:18.10 | Cr3ature | Gnome and KDE make me sick |
| 17:18.11 | DrAk0 | Airbottl1, cool thing is youcan use kde programs in gnome :) |
| 17:18.23 | Airbottl1 | i know, i use them alot :p |
| 17:18.34 | Cr3ature | you can use them in fluxbox too! |
| 17:18.52 | Cr3ature | so im running Lenny? |
| 17:18.55 | techouse | the gnome look from ubuntu made me puke and i can't stand ubuntu or gnome any more |
| 17:19.22 | Cr3ature | hmm lenny from the simpsons |
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| 17:19.24 | Cr3ature | dental plan |
| 17:19.39 | StyXman | lisa needs braces! |
| 17:19.43 | Cr3ature | haha |
| 17:20.11 | techouse | ROFL! |
| 17:20.55 | techouse | i just hope this live cd will turn out good; i spent 3 hours on it already |
| 17:20.56 | techouse | :P |
| 17:21.13 | Cr3ature | you making your own? |
| 17:21.18 | techouse | yeah |
| 17:21.24 | Cr3ature | how cool is that |
| 17:21.37 | techouse | my 1st attempt |
| 17:21.43 | techouse | but it's really easy to make |
| 17:21.50 | Cr3ature | now then you probably can explain me this "days old" stuff? |
| 17:21.51 | techouse | the 1st thing on debian that's easy |
| 17:21.52 | techouse | :D |
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| 17:22.10 | Cr3ature | is there a countdown goin for VLC |
| 17:22.21 | Cr3ature | vlc is only 6 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in. |
| 17:22.24 | Cr3ature | 4 days to go! |
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| 17:22.47 | techouse | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO |
| 17:23.14 | fredl | I want Enlightenment |
| 17:23.31 | Cr3ature | fredl: you are not getting it from The Ori |
| 17:23.46 | Cr3ature | you have to use the ways of The Anchients |
| 17:24.15 | StyXman | fredl: there's e16 in sid |
| 17:24.23 | techouse | lol |
| 17:24.24 | fredl | I don't want e16. |
| 17:24.27 | StyXman | tehre's no e17, is a figment of your imagination |
| 17:24.33 | fredl | e16 has been there forever. |
| 17:24.39 | fredl | I want DR17 |
| 17:24.42 | fredl | now! |
| 17:24.52 | fengor | build it fredl |
| 17:24.54 | fredl | GNOME suckas, KDE suckas. |
| 17:25.03 | Cr3ature | are you building an debian live to 8mm CD? |
| 17:25.11 | fredl | DR17 will rule once it comes out. |
| 17:25.17 | fredl | if it comes out. |
| 17:25.19 | fredl | ever. |
| 17:25.27 | Cr3ature | i want one in my wallet |
| 17:25.38 | Cr3ature | so i can have debian always with me |
| 17:25.42 | techouse | this is the most lol sentence i've encountered in the terminal: "P: Begin executing hacks..." |
| 17:25.50 | techouse | LOL |
| 17:26.18 | techouse | cr3ature: maybe you could make a usb bersion |
| 17:26.20 | techouse | version |
| 17:26.30 | Cr3ature | yea! |
| 17:26.31 | fengor | techouse: what about Checking for beer in the fridge... not found\nOh my god there is no beer int he frigde! go and buy some! |
| 17:26.36 | techouse | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 17:26.39 | Cr3ature | well the NVIDIA driver installed |
| 17:26.41 | Cr3ature | and its working |
| 17:26.42 | StyXman | ok, bailing out |
| 17:27.14 | Cr3ature | hmm bootable USB memory |
| 17:27.20 | techouse | fengor: w00t? where did you get that? or did you just make it up? |
| 17:27.23 | Cr3ature | does it have sectors? |
| 17:27.29 | Cr3ature | 0 is table 1 is MBR |
| 17:27.37 | fengor | hmm was in the configure script of e16 as far as i remember |
| 17:27.47 | fengor | but it has been some time since i compiled that |
| 17:27.51 | techouse | LOL |
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| 17:27.55 | fengor | back in the days when i still used mandrake |
| 17:27.56 | StyXman | baq! |
| 17:28.04 | techouse | LOOL |
| 17:28.42 | fredl | fengor - I think it has been some time since anybody compiled E :-) |
| 17:28.57 | fengor | dont htink so fredl |
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| 17:29.07 | fengor | afaik the only way to get e17 is compiling it from sources |
| 17:29.19 | fredl | well the developers compile it I'm sure. |
| 17:29.49 | techouse | i tried to compile aegisub on debbie; damn that's a pain in the ass |
| 17:29.50 | techouse | ! |
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| 17:30.59 | teclo- | Hello, here is what I get in dmesg: amarokapp[7948]: segfault at 00000000 eip 00000000 esp bfc54380 error 4 |
| 17:31.19 | Cr3ature | how to test if 3D-acceleration works? |
| 17:31.26 | StyXman | teclo-: check your ram with memtest86+ |
| 17:31.32 | StyXman | Cr3ature: glgeras |
| 17:31.34 | damog | Cr3ature: glxinfo |
| 17:31.47 | StyXman | or glxgears, I always tab-complete it :) |
| 17:31.53 | Cr3ature | yay |
| 17:31.57 | pipeline | Cr3ature: glxinfo | grep irect |
| 17:32.03 | techouse | cr3ature: install compiz-fusion :D |
| 17:32.05 | Cr3ature | 5k FPS |
| 17:32.21 | teclo- | StyXman: not my memory... just upgraded from etch to lenny, this is what I et |
| 17:32.30 | damog | there's no more pain as trying to build subversion and friends on a redhat box |
| 17:32.54 | StyXman | teclo-: it's weird the it gets logged into dmesg |
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| 17:33.02 | StyXman | teclo-: taht's the kernel complaining |
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| 17:33.28 | StyXman | damog: try gentoo :-P |
| 17:33.55 | damog | the os on the box is not my choice |
| 17:34.05 | damog | otherwise, i'd try debian, of course |
| 17:34.07 | mbroeker | damog, why is it so difficult under redhat theese days? |
| 17:34.25 | techouse | heh |
| 17:35.03 | damog | mbroeker: i'm on a caged environment, no root access, PIC issues, local symbols realocation, etc |
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| 17:35.28 | techouse | mbroeker: cause fedora and redhat suck :P |
| 17:35.47 | damog | that reason too. |
| 17:36.22 | techouse | is there any alternative to kopete or amsn? |
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| 17:36.41 | mbroeker | techouse, yes: bitlbee! |
| 17:37.03 | damog | techouse: pidgin? |
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| 17:37.20 | techouse | nah |
| 17:37.25 | techouse | pidgin is even worse |
| 17:37.41 | yast_ | using dpkg-reconfigure console-data,after chosing a german keyboard layout,it ends with " deferring virtual terminal setup until console accessible",what does that mean ? |
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| 17:38.07 | ismael_ | where would somebody put a command meant to be run every time the pc boots? |
| 17:38.07 | techouse | I mean...I love kopete, but it lack 2 important features: 1st it sucks at sending files over msn; 2nd it doesn't support custom emoticons |
| 17:38.18 | damog | o'rly? |
| 17:38.20 | techouse | kde? |
| 17:38.25 | techouse | ismael-? |
| 17:38.26 | damog | oh, custom ones |
| 17:38.47 | damog | can kopete be used with something different than msn? like bonjour? |
| 17:38.48 | ismael_ | techouse: sorry, what? |
| 17:38.58 | techouse | are you on kde or gnome? |
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| 17:39.24 | ismael_ | techouse: none, I want it to run before X |
| 17:39.30 | techouse | aaaah |
| 17:39.36 | pipeline | damog: kopete supports jabber but not rendezvous/bonjour. |
| 17:40.12 | damog | i see. |
| 17:40.35 | techouse | well....does anyone know any kopete developer? i'd ask him why have they not improved these 2 issues |
| 17:41.35 | b0ha | pidgin > kopete |
| 17:41.37 | b0ha | :) |
| 17:41.56 | petemc | techouse: would you thank him/her for what they have done? or just bitch at them? |
| 17:42.35 | techouse | thank them and ask them for these 2 issues = when they will attend some time to fix them |
| 17:42.57 | Cr3ature | how do i see if my ETH interface is working at gigabit? |
| 17:43.00 | Cr3ature | RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet |
| 17:43.06 | petemc | ethtool |
| 17:43.08 | techouse | i wouldn't bitch at a devel; after all it's his free will to give us some awsome software |
| 17:43.16 | petemc | right |
| 17:43.23 | Cr3ature | :o |
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| 17:43.50 | techouse | b0ha: w00t :D |
| 17:43.53 | Cr3ature | woohoo |
| 17:44.22 | bdheeman | hi, friends |
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| 17:45.10 | Cr3ature | can i share /dev/zero with samba? :D |
| 17:45.16 | Cr3ature | to test the internal network speeds |
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| 17:46.05 | bdheeman | Is aptitude a good enough replacement for apt-get? |
| 17:46.15 | Cr3ature | yea |
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| 17:47.22 | infernixx | anyone else noticing an increase in spam activity these last days? |
| 17:47.26 | Blowpig | faitZ fignew lex_ apt n3kl mrfan pingouin simonrvn sn0 zinx George diana` tw-nym tazle iouns jm|laptop prgmrchris skule expose x_link netcrash bernard [n00b]Shadow Nyle badcfe BlueToothz Klowner YGingras mot CrazyEddy cyzie mrak entropic shingouz nrl Guerin valdyn extor robink tralala Cato| guk folken spoof3r SiliconViper Sememmon sparr s3v3n jolt^d4 cyberfr0g homecable rebo123_ Laser xand Eagleray pellets DURgod gen |
| 17:47.30 | Blowpig | cableroy matty-- NiLon glut0r sussudio solemnwarning dserban RichiH elmo40 vanksi mavhc regis1 tminos h3sp4wn bolt feitingen dancek Eclipser araga davi stylus muninn nacer LoRez denken fr33k_ Maakuth Error- SHS` SerajewelKS Hydroxide vort3x avtobiff moch_ superstition xHemi ryushe drfont dmc zorrolero cockroach {devil} cb mrec dererk[work] vjt protoloco lordrich scoopex Leentje harlekin neonoe ShdB VaLouille Trevie r |
| 17:47.36 | Blowpig | riot i3d \amethyst kritical bornholme dwon__ gordonjcp catsup dondek nipra Authority @ChanServ CompWizrd Scurz Tabakhase Pinnen w0rd54 stmaher _evo_ Sebboh kenjy oye ApEtc |
| 17:47.38 | simonrvn | !ops Blowpig |
| 17:47.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: Blowpig |
| 17:47.42 | LjL | infernixx: of course, it's christmas time |
| 17:47.45 | bdheeman | Cr3ature: thanks, can I remove apt-get after I switch over to aptitude? |
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| 17:47.54 | simonrvn | tomaw: thanks :) |
| 17:47.57 | tomaw | np |
| 17:47.58 | infernixx | k, just wondering, maybe it was my filters |
| 17:48.01 | expose | praise tomaw |
| 17:48.05 | expose | :-) |
| 17:48.07 | teclo- | ouch, just distupgraded to lenny, and here's what I get when I try to configure the screensaver: xscreensaver-gl[10334]: segfault at 00000000 eip 00000000 esp bfe80d50 error 4 |
| 17:48.11 | cyzie | why the hell they like to say everyone's names ? |
| 17:48.49 | expose | tomaw: Is there any speculation why those kiddies do that? |
| 17:49.02 | tomaw | For attention, I assume |
| 17:49.26 | cyzie | well, if it is for attention, do somethign like the spears family, go get pregnant!!! |
| 17:49.37 | teclo- | ouch !!! now even kdesktop_lock is causing issues, look: kdesktop_lock[10897]: segfault at 00000000 eip 00000000 esp bfc0f720 error 4 |
| 17:49.42 | bdheeman | expose: for vanity value |
| 17:49.44 | expose | i see, so there's no "good" reason like "making money" with spam etc |
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| 17:50.58 | Claudio32m | anyone use backuppc? |
| 17:51.02 | Claudio32m | i cant get the web interface up |
| 17:51.02 | multi_io | is it possibled to tell dnsmasq, when a DNS query arrives for mylaptop.local, to loop up the IP address in /etc/hosts under mylaptop? |
| 17:51.03 | mbroeker | teclo-, do you have an optimized glibc installed? ( it`s libc6-i686 or similar) ? |
| 17:51.06 | Claudio32m | it installed fine |
| 17:51.18 | multi_io | s/loop/look/ |
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| 17:55.44 | SpeedyG | hi, how can I check a harddisk with no partitions for errors? |
| 17:56.08 | simonrvn | badblocks |
| 17:56.58 | fredl | wow so far so good on compiling e17 |
| 17:57.09 | SpeedyG | and what if badblocks causes a kernelpanic ? |
| 17:57.14 | fredl | it's at etk already without any problems. |
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| 17:58.04 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: ? :) |
| 17:59.44 | fredl | I will be so glad when I get rid of GNOME |
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| 18:00.12 | multi_io | is it possible to specify standard DNS suffixes via DHCP? |
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| 18:00.51 | Airbottl1 | what do you dislike about gnome, fredl? |
| 18:01.10 | fredl | it's bloated |
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| 18:01.30 | fredl | and I don't like the GTK widgets. |
| 18:01.42 | Airbottl1 | thats strange, its very clean and simple here |
| 18:02.40 | multi_io | by "standard DNS suffixes" I mean the thing that may be configured in resolv.conf using "domain" or "search" |
| 18:03.02 | fredl | the default install on ubuntu isn't clean not simple IMO |
| 18:03.10 | fredl | nor |
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| 18:03.43 | fredl | time for tea, laterz |
| 18:03.51 | SpeedyG | simonrvn: what if badblocks causes a kernel panic ? |
| 18:04.19 | Airbottl1 | http://picasaweb.google.com/Laureys.David/Desktop2/photo#5104997985251747234 its hard to call this bloaty fredl. |
| 18:04.49 | simonrvn | then you got other problems to fix first |
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| 18:08.04 | Vaerested | Greetz. I'm having trouble getting a sound card working. I have tried 'alsaconf' but no luck. Actually I'm not sure what sound card is installed in this machine either. Any suggestions ? |
| 18:08.47 | cahoot | Vaerested: lspci -v might help |
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| 18:10.08 | Vaerested | cahoot: Thanks - seems I have an nVidia chipset |
| 18:10.20 | yast_ | using loadkeys de-latin1.map i get an "bad file descriptor" error,any ideas ? |
| 18:10.37 | Vaerested | cahoot: Linux dosn't have drivers for nVidia, right ? |
| 18:10.44 | cahoot | wrong |
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| 18:11.02 | techouse | live cd made...let's test it |
| 18:11.03 | techouse | :D |
| 18:11.29 | cahoot | Vaerested: is it a laptop? |
| 18:11.40 | Vaerested | cahoot: Nope, ordinary workstation |
| 18:12.26 | cahoot | Vaerested: I'd try google for the chipset/model |
| 18:12.50 | Vaerested | cahoot: okay, thanks. Thought it would be easy - usually things just work :) |
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| 18:13.38 | biz | how can i clear my local dns cache without restarting the network? i've added an entry like "123.123.123.123 host.tld" to /etc/hosts but it still uses the "real" address, not the one from /etc/hosts when doind "host host.tld" |
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| 18:14.39 | bdheeman | can I get rid of apt-get by installing aptitude? |
| 18:14.39 | multi_io | biz: restart nscd ? |
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| 18:15.00 | biz | nscd? |
| 18:15.08 | multi_io | name service cache daemon |
| 18:15.12 | wols | biz: do a ping host.tld |
| 18:15.32 | biz | wols: ping works, host not |
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| 18:15.45 | multi_io | oh, then forget what I said |
| 18:15.48 | RoC_MasterMind | I'm using dpkg-buildpackage to create a .deb package...I am working on a working copy that is under subversion control, my package includes lots of .svn directories (because those exist in the file tree)...how can I exclude these directories from dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 18:16.00 | biz | multi_io: i don't have nscd installed |
| 18:16.08 | multi_io | yeah, ok |
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| 18:16.14 | chetan | is there a debian/apt equivalent of portage's package.provided? |
| 18:16.15 | wols | cause host uses /etc/resolv.conf and not /etc/hosts |
| 18:16.41 | wols | chetan: depends what "package.provided" is |
| 18:17.00 | biz | wols: and what about other apps? do they use my /etc/hosts entry now? |
| 18:17.15 | wols | see ping |
| 18:17.32 | RoC_MasterMind | actually it looks like I am using dpkg --build |
| 18:18.05 | chetan | wols: can apt be made to believe that a certain package is installed even though it actually isn't? |
| 18:18.18 | wols | !tell chetan about equivs |
| 18:18.36 | fredl | Airbottl1, it's still ugly. |
| 18:19.12 | fredl | Airbottl1, E! looked better than GNOME 5 years ago. |
| 18:19.13 | chetan | wols: thanks! |
| 18:19.16 | RoC_MasterMind | chetan, yeah...but that's breaking consistency. |
| 18:19.26 | fredl | and certainly better than KDE. |
| 18:19.53 | fredl | I'm just curious if DR17 can actually improve much on DR16 |
| 18:20.11 | chetan | RoC_MasterMind: i wanted to install libpoppler-qt4-dev without having to install qt3, i just want to check if it is possible |
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| 18:20.46 | fredl | Airbottl1, and let's not even mention that GNOME mixer :( |
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| 18:21.34 | fredl | what a PITA that is. |
| 18:21.39 | RoC_MasterMind | qt3 is probably a dependency. That means it might not work or work right without it. Technically you could edit a file (I've done it once before) to make dpkg thing qt3 is installed, but that is a bad hack and libpoppler isn't guarunteed to work. |
| 18:22.04 | simonrvn | fredl: this isn't #"let's bitch about ___ all day" |
| 18:22.18 | fredl | simonrvn - fair enough |
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| 18:22.32 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 18:22.51 | simonrvn | fredl: if you have issues with soething/someone, take it up with them |
| 18:22.56 | simonrvn | some* |
| 18:23.11 | fredl | well he asked :) |
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| 18:23.37 | multi_io | does Windoze not query the configured DNS server for host names that don't contain a dot? |
| 18:23.55 | simonrvn | why would we know/care? |
| 18:24.13 | fredl | Windoze? What's that? |
| 18:24.17 | multi_io | just don'T answer if you don't know |
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| 18:25.19 | multi_io | Windoze=Microsoft[r] Windows[tm] |
| 18:25.19 | simonrvn | this isn't ##windows, try there |
| 18:25.47 | fredl | oh that... haven't used that for ages, sorry. |
| 18:26.15 | fredl | braindilution. |
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| 18:26.45 | blume_111 | hi |
| 18:26.52 | fredl | hello blume |
| 18:27.12 | rdz | hi all |
| 18:27.16 | blume_111 | an squid expert here ? |
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| 18:27.29 | simonrvn | just ask the question |
| 18:27.37 | blume_111 | ok |
| 18:28.29 | rdz | my gf has no wireless and i have internet access over wifi. is there any way to give her internet access over my ethernet -> wireless? is that what i am looking for called a bridge? |
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| 18:29.25 | blume_111 | i want to show a special site to denied users with squid but not deny_info becuase i want to show all users from begining the site because all are denied and with deny_info i only could show the html site to denied domains or denied users which i had declared, i want to show the site ALL users |
| 18:29.27 | fredl | rdz you can just have your gf set your system as a default gw |
| 18:29.35 | fredl | turn it into a router. |
| 18:29.43 | rdz | fredl, how to do that? |
| 18:30.15 | fredl | well I assume your ethernet and wireless are both configured? |
| 18:30.22 | shamrock | can anyone tell me how to stop debian (nvidia driver) blanking my tv/monitor after 10 minutes of inactivity? Makes watching movies very frustrating. |
| 18:30.26 | simonrvn | blume_111: could you rephrase that, and maybe into more than one sentence? having a hard time understanding that |
| 18:30.41 | blume_111 | ok |
| 18:30.44 | blume_111 | np :D |
| 18:30.51 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:30.59 | techouse | haha! the live cd works.... though with noapic only :P |
| 18:31.12 | blume_111 | i have a proxy server which works on port 80 |
| 18:31.13 | Sir_Sid | Can you install mulitple distros and use the same /boot and /home mounts? |
| 18:31.21 | rdz | fredl, my wireless is configured and the ethernet is so configured that _i_ can use it to access the internet when i plug it to another router |
| 18:31.26 | blume_111 | and all users are from begining denied |
| 18:31.35 | blume_111 | and not special users |
| 18:31.40 | rdz | fredl, does that mean, it would also work the other way around? |
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| 18:31.58 | blume_111 | so i want to show this denied users not the denied site from squid |
| 18:32.10 | rdz | so that anything connected to the ethernet can access the internet from my eth1(wireless)? |
| 18:32.16 | blume_111 | i want to show them a special html site from me |
| 18:32.26 | simonrvn | Sir_Sid: might have issues with different say gnome or kde versions, or other stuff like that, but technically not a problem |
| 18:32.27 | wols | rdz: ipmasq |
| 18:32.32 | jelly-ho | shamrock: what's the output of "xset q|grep -A1 Standby" |
| 18:32.43 | rdz | wols, thanks, i'll have a look |
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| 18:32.57 | fredl | rdz - well as long as both interfaces are in a different network and IP forwarding is on on your system, packets that come in from her PC on your ethernet are forwarded to your default gw if your system doesn't know what to do with it |
| 18:33.03 | wols | rdz: it's a pachage |
| 18:33.14 | simonrvn | blume_111: so you want to show a page to denied users, and not a default squid page? |
| 18:33.18 | Sir_Sid | simonrvn, I was a bit worried about the /boot share. Is there something Id have to do inorder to share that? |
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| 18:33.31 | fredl | aha, DR17 compiled all the way, BRB |
| 18:33.36 | blume_111 | yes |
| 18:33.37 | wols | rdz: a bridge would only work if your ISP gave you two IPs which they very rarely if ever do |
| 18:33.45 | rdz | wols, i see |
| 18:34.06 | rdz | wols, good to know that a bridge is _not_ what i am looking for |
| 18:34.16 | simonrvn | Sir_Sid: as long as the kernel(s) supplies stuff needed by each os, i don't see a problem |
| 18:34.34 | Cr3ature | anyone know good samba tutorials? |
| 18:34.40 | rdz | wols, fredl, that you very much for your hep |
| 18:34.42 | rdz | help |
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| 18:35.11 | wols | rdz: dnsmasq is a good companion to ipmasq btw |
| 18:35.18 | simonrvn | blume_111: personally i don't know how, but have you checked the squid wiki/site? they have extensive info, plus mailing lists to check out |
| 18:35.19 | jelly-ho | shamrock: if "xset q" shows DPMS is on, and the timeouts are set to 10 minutes that you experience, turn it off: "xset -dpms". xscreensaver, if it is running, might be another suspect |
| 18:35.28 | rdz | wols, thank you a lot |
| 18:36.38 | shamrock | jelly-ho: yes. I got : Standby: 1200 Suspend: 1800 Off: 2400 DPMS is Enabled |
| 18:37.06 | blume_111 | simonrvn: ok thx |
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| 18:37.44 | fredl | OMG this is so awesome. |
| 18:38.41 | jelly-ho | shamrock: so the lowest one is 20 minutes... is that what you experience? |
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| 18:39.21 | candyban__ | Hi guys |
| 18:39.31 | shamrock | yes I think so. |
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| 18:41.01 | candyban__ | I'm having some issues with the installation of RT (3.6). I read the docs, but it fails with the helpful message "/usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 78: 2131 Killed $HTTPD -k $ARGV" |
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| 18:43.04 | candyban__ | When I uncomment the following line "PerlRequire /usr/share/request-tracker3.6/libexec/webmux.pl" from apache2-modperl2.conf, apache starts but I get an error 500 (stating that some stuff is not included) |
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| 18:43.42 | candyban__ | anyone familiar with RT or knows were I can get help? |
| 18:44.55 | atealtha | will Debian Lenny install CD work well with intel core2 quad? |
| 18:45.20 | atealtha | etch is extremely sluggish and can't deal with it |
| 18:45.34 | atealtha | btw I'm also installing on a sw raid setup |
| 18:46.25 | magyar | hi, is linux software raid 1 capable of auto rebuild when a swap has been performed? |
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| 18:47.40 | candyban__ | magyar, depends what you mean by auto rebuild ... you will have to manually add the device to the raid array and then it will rebuild automatically |
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| 18:50.06 | magyar | candyban__: so just by removing a bad drive and plugging in a good one the system will not rebuild |
| 18:50.19 | candyban__ | magyar: software raid does not care where the partitions are located. This information is stored on the device ... so if you had sda1 + sdg1 in raid 1, it will remain in the same configuration even when sda1 has been renamed to sdc1 |
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| 18:51.09 | candyban__ | magyar: yes, that's correct ... see my previous explanation. As there is no physical link between the device location and the array, it cannot "guess" which devices it should start using for rebuild |
| 18:51.34 | peter_ | I need someone to ask about cfdisk, partitions and fstab |
| 18:51.46 | candyban__ | magyar: what you can do is have a (couple) of hot spares ... those will rebuild automatically when one of your disks fails |
| 18:52.34 | magyar | candyban__: sda and adb are both in a md device. if iremove sda and plug a new drive in the place of sda, shouldn't the mdadm triger a rebuild? |
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| 18:52.47 | magyar | like the case for windows os |
| 18:52.58 | candyban__ | magyar: no. why? it has no indication that the new drive is for the array |
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| 18:53.36 | magyar | candyban__: what if I build a RAID 1 with a hotswap ready? |
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| 18:53.46 | magyar | third drive |
| 18:54.02 | Cr3ature | does anyone remember the software that you could use to test speakers? |
| 18:54.06 | candyban__ | magyar: then it should start rebuilding ... but never tested it and never needed it (fortunately) |
| 18:54.07 | Cr3ature | its in alsa |
| 18:54.20 | magyar | so RAID 1 mda with sda1 sdb and sdc as a stand by? |
| 18:54.36 | candyban__ | magyar: yes |
| 18:54.53 | magyar | sweet |
| 18:54.58 | magyar | thanks candyban__ |
| 18:55.00 | Cr3ature | woohoo speaker-test |
| 18:55.14 | candyban__ | should do the trick ... but I would test it if auto-rebuild is your "thing" |
| 18:55.17 | peter_ | my cfdisk shows only one hard drive with 4999MB on it, while its 60BG |
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| 18:56.28 | candyban__ | magyar: you can do "cool stuff" with software raid ... like online resize ... move your array to new (bigger) disks (if you have time :)) |
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| 18:59.23 | _ke | by using nmap, i can see the port 5190/tcp as open, while netstat doesnt show me this port. any clue? |
| 19:02.24 | wols | _ke: you nmap line? |
| 19:02.38 | _ke | wols, nmap -sT host |
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| 19:02.52 | wols | oops. meant netstat, sorry. mea culpa |
| 19:03.03 | wols | candyban__: nothing to do with RAID but with LVM. different things |
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| 19:03.22 | wols | _ke: and you should be root for netstat. 5190 is ICQ btw |
| 19:03.29 | wols | or possibly AIM |
| 19:03.35 | magyar | candyban__: just to get the basics down takes some knowledge. Don't push me in to more complex stuff :) |
| 19:04.15 | _ke | wols, exactly, but i dont run either icq or a aim service on the host |
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| 19:04.30 | wols | _ke: so what is the netstat line? |
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| 19:04.48 | _ke | wols, netstat -tapn |
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| 19:05.28 | wols | netstat -anp|grep 5190 ntohing? |
| 19:05.43 | _ke | wols, nothing |
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| 19:06.24 | wols | telnet to it |
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| 19:07.34 | _ke | wols, it accepts the connection |
| 19:08.54 | _ke | wols, but as soon as i write ehlo/helo host is closes the connection |
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| 19:09.26 | wols | if netstat doesn't see it but exists, you are in trouble |
| 19:10.13 | _ke | wols, you mean compromised? |
| 19:10.22 | wols | imho yes |
| 19:10.44 | _ke | wols, but i should see a process with ps aux? |
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| 19:10.58 | wols | you should see an open port in netstat |
| 19:11.30 | _ke | wols, no, there is just http and ssh open |
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| 19:15.58 | uzbek | hi all! |
| 19:17.00 | uzbek | lo isn't starting automatically. i have to manually execute 'ifconfig lo'. how can i set it to start automatically? |
| 19:17.03 | DawnLight | hello folks |
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| 19:18.55 | phogg | uzbek: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:19.23 | phogg | uzbek: add this: auto lo\niface lo inet loopback |
| 19:19.28 | phogg | where \n is a newline |
| 19:21.31 | DawnLight | i'm trying to get flash non-free working in amd64 etch. since the current flashplayer-nonfree doesn't install, i want to try debian-multimedia's flashplugin-mozilla but this depends on nspluginwrapper that is only in lenny and sid. this, in turn, depends on ia32-libs-gtk and some others which i am trying to backport now. any notes? |
| 19:21.55 | DawnLight | oh, and i've a running nose |
| 19:23.38 | Airbottl1 | what do you use as desktop environmend/window manager fredl? |
| 19:25.12 | Cr3ature | does anyone know how to use sambva? |
| 19:25.14 | Cr3ature | samba= |
| 19:25.16 | Cr3ature | samba+ |
| 19:25.18 | Cr3ature | samba? |
| 19:25.25 | DawnLight | !polls |
| 19:25.25 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 19:25.31 | wols | !anyone |
| 19:25.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:25.51 | Cr3ature | !noneone |
| 19:25.55 | Cr3ature | !noone |
| 19:25.55 | dpkg | me thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also; ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do. |
| 19:26.28 | Cr3ature | i've been trying to mount an NTFS partition and share it with Samba |
| 19:26.31 | Cr3ature | no luck |
| 19:26.40 | phogg | DawnLight: you know that flashplayer is 32bit only, right? |
| 19:26.57 | Cr3ature | do i really need to chmod the whole partition with 777 |
| 19:26.59 | Cr3ature | recursively |
| 19:26.59 | wols | candyban__: you can mount it and access it? read and write? |
| 19:27.03 | DawnLight | phogg: that is what the ia32-libs are for i guess |
| 19:27.04 | Cr3ature | thats gonna take hours |
| 19:27.10 | wols | candyban__: you don't and cannot |
| 19:27.13 | Cr3ature | its 1TB drive |
| 19:27.18 | DawnLight | phogg: and some others |
| 19:27.27 | wols | candyban__: if you could it would take a few seconds only |
| 19:27.30 | Cr3ature | im not gonna start recursively pounding it |
| 19:27.37 | phogg | Cr3ature: there is no need to chmod |
| 19:27.46 | Cr3ature | well apparently there is |
| 19:27.51 | wols | Cr3ature: how are you mounting it? |
| 19:27.52 | Cr3ature | cause Samba only lets me to the root of it |
| 19:27.53 | candyban__ | wols: ? |
| 19:28.03 | phogg | Cr3ature: there is no way to chmod ntfs, afaik, under linux |
| 19:28.06 | Cr3ature | wols: mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/foobar |
| 19:28.20 | wols | Cr3ature: that's wrong. do you need write access too? |
| 19:28.31 | Cr3ature | sure |
| 19:28.37 | wols | !ntfs3g |
| 19:28.37 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/. |
| 19:28.41 | Cr3ature | 3g i have |
| 19:28.45 | phogg | Cr3ature: your mount time options probably need to include the file and directory modes |
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| 19:29.01 | Cr3ature | well i don't know anything about that |
| 19:29.02 | wols | Cr3ature: that's not was your wrote about your mount statement. either be pricesise go go away |
| 19:29.07 | wols | *or go |
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| 19:29.27 | wols | so WHAT is the mount line? |
| 19:29.34 | Cr3ature | the one i said |
| 19:29.42 | Cr3ature | it automatically uses ntfs-3g |
| 19:29.43 | wols | then use 3g first before continuing |
| 19:29.45 | Cr3ature | or it should |
| 19:29.51 | phogg | Cr3ature: there's really no way you're using ntfs-3g with that |
| 19:29.52 | wols | Cr3ature: output of mount please |
| 19:29.53 | Cr3ature | or then it does not |
| 19:30.01 | Cr3ature | wols: \n ? |
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| 19:30.05 | Cr3ature | not even that |
| 19:30.20 | phogg | Cr3ature: run 'mount' with no options. What is the output? |
| 19:30.35 | Cr3ature | /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/foobar type ntfs (rw) |
| 19:30.36 | phogg | mount | grep /dev/hdb1 would be more precise |
| 19:31.04 | wols | Cr3ature: what kernel is this? |
| 19:31.25 | zephid | Hi, I need a bit of help with setting ssmtp up with php, I know ssmtp works since I can send mails by writing echo test|ssmtp -s test user@mail.com but it wont work with php's mail() |
| 19:31.39 | Cr3ature | wols: 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 19:31.42 | zephid | There is nothing in the logs, so I can't really see why it wont work |
| 19:32.02 | wols | why am I not surprised? sid idiot aler |
| 19:32.04 | wols | t |
| 19:32.10 | Cr3ature | what |
| 19:32.20 | Cr3ature | im using the dental plan |
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| 19:33.04 | wols | what has a dental plan to do with debian? |
| 19:33.10 | Cr3ature | cause its lenny |
| 19:33.36 | Cr3ature | only lenny i know is the one from simpsons |
| 19:33.42 | Cr3ature | so dental plan |
| 19:33.45 | peter_ | my friend sent me samba configuration under linux - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxGzX2Ec32s |
| 19:33.50 | wols | !lenny |
| 19:33.50 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 19:34.11 | Cr3ature | testing is besting |
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| 19:34.43 | phogg | linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 is available in testing |
| 19:34.52 | DawnLight | "Get:2 http://mirror.isoc.org.il lenny/main ia32-libs 2.2 (tar) [384MB]" |
| 19:35.24 | Cr3ature | peter_: http://r00t3d.com/video/?vid=Debian |
| 19:35.25 | DawnLight | whod've thunk it |
| 19:35.39 | phogg | Cr3ature: all of the Debian code names are from Toy Story characters. |
| 19:35.58 | Cr3ature | why |
| 19:36.01 | chetan | what is the keyboard shortcut in kde 4 konsole to switch between split views? |
| 19:36.09 | zephid | Cr3ature: Why not? :) |
| 19:36.13 | Cr3ature | now lets not get offtopic |
| 19:36.21 | Cr3ature | i wanted to know how to correctly mount stuff |
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| 19:36.37 | Cr3ature | so its not like root root |
| 19:36.41 | eth01 | is it possible to run memtest whilst the machine is running btw? |
| 19:36.45 | Cr3ature | i want samba be able to access it |
| 19:36.51 | wols | eth01: no |
| 19:36.57 | DawnLight | Cr3ature: are you using ntfs-3g? |
| 19:37.01 | Cr3ature | sure |
| 19:37.20 | wols | Cr3ature: umask, dmask, gid, uid |
| 19:37.28 | eth01 | wols, thats a shame. i can't reboot! ¬¬ |
| 19:37.29 | DawnLight | something like mount -t ntfs-3g <what> <where> |
| 19:37.30 | wols | those are the options you need o set |
| 19:37.35 | wols | for specifics: man mount |
| 19:37.38 | Cr3ature | ok |
| 19:38.05 | Cr3ature | group id, user id |
| 19:38.10 | Cr3ature | user mask |
| 19:38.14 | Cr3ature | dmask im not familiar with |
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| 19:38.47 | phogg | Cr3ature: sorry to tell you, you are not using 3g |
| 19:38.52 | zephid | Cr3ature: Why not just mount it with user,defaults in fstab? |
| 19:39.04 | Cr3ature | then ill do that |
| 19:39.42 | Cr3ature | <dump> <pass> |
| 19:39.44 | Cr3ature | 0 0 ? |
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| 19:39.57 | phogg | Cr3ature: leave them at 0 |
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| 19:40.08 | wols | zephid: what would that help you? |
| 19:40.10 | Cr3ature | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/foobar ntfs-3g user,defaults 0 0 |
| 19:40.12 | Cr3ature | just to be sure |
| 19:40.22 | wols | or him rather |
| 19:40.31 | wols | Cr3ature: only root will be able to access it. no one else |
| 19:40.45 | Cr3ature | well.. no! |
| 19:40.49 | Cr3ature | i want samba access it |
| 19:40.59 | Cr3ature | and my main user |
| 19:41.48 | zephid | wols: Not true, if you mount ntfs-3g with defaults and user, then all the files on the ntfs devices would be owned by the users group |
| 19:42.08 | Cr3ature | the user group? |
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| 19:42.48 | wols | zephid: still won't help him |
| 19:43.02 | Cr3ature | works |
| 19:43.07 | zephid | wols: Yes it would |
| 19:43.28 | zephid | The user he logs in with from samba just need to be a member of the users group |
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| 19:43.32 | _ke | wols, any idea about that open aol-port? |
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| 19:44.22 | Cr3ature | like the unix permission system is alone very hard to understand |
| 19:44.28 | Cr3ature | then when theres the Samba on top of that |
| 19:44.34 | Cr3ature | with its own permission system |
| 19:44.41 | Cr3ature | and then there is the Windows |
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| 19:44.46 | Cr3ature | its just too much |
| 19:44.55 | Cr3ature | they all somehow just have to work together |
| 19:45.01 | vchrizz | what could be the problem when i cant ping/connect either from my linux box to my wrt54gl router nor the other way round when i set a fixed ip on the router, but when i tell the wrt, it should use dhcp from my linux box, both can ping/connect each other... |
| 19:46.18 | odla | some packages are already frozen? |
| 19:48.00 | wols | vchrizz: wrong subnet |
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| 19:49.02 | vchrizz | well, its everytime 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 |
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| 19:54.33 | DawnLight | because the router is an ambedded little thing and they got a sweet debian server box that does dhcp |
| 19:54.45 | rdz | wols, excuse my ignorance, but in order to connect my girlfriend to the internet using my eth0 over my (already configured and up) eth1, do i need to create another subnet for her? |
| 19:55.05 | zephid | My wireless router is a dhcp client from my wired debain router |
| 19:55.11 | rdz | with dnsmasq and ipmasq? |
| 19:55.14 | wols | rdz: can your gf connect to your machine right now? |
| 19:55.16 | DawnLight | rdz: you can bridge |
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| 19:55.48 | Yoann512 | hi |
| 19:55.48 | rdz | wols, at this point i am only researching, becaue i a lack an ethernet cable |
| 19:56.04 | Nyle | i bridge |
| 19:56.07 | rdz | wols, but as soon as i'l have a cable i can test... |
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| 19:56.17 | wols | rdz: answer my question |
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| 19:56.31 | rdz | wols, sorry, no |
| 19:56.36 | DawnLight | rdz: bridging can make your interfaces behave like a hub |
| 19:57.30 | rdz | DawnLight, i prefer going for only one route, my understanding of networking is limited and i'd like to go for the route that is easier to setup |
| 19:57.49 | Nyle | man i wanna play some budokai |
| 19:57.49 | wols | rdz: then that's the first step. your side and her side need to be in the same subnet. does your machine have a public IP on the internet side? |
| 19:57.51 | DawnLight | rdz: bridging is easy |
| 19:58.02 | wols | DawnLight: and the wrong way to do it for him |
| 19:58.11 | Nyle | bridging is wrong? |
| 19:58.49 | wols | Nyle: no but it won't give his gf internet access through his machine |
| 19:59.03 | wols | ipmasq is certainly easier... |
| 19:59.04 | Nyle | i have 4 wired pc on a wireless router. wifi router is bridged to my roommates wifi router which is connected to dsl modem |
| 19:59.13 | Nyle | oh hm what is he wanting to do |
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| 19:59.56 | wols | Nyle: you already use NAT and have a free IP for the brdige. he probaly doesn't. ISPs arenot that generous |
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| 20:00.14 | Nyle | um |
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| 20:00.27 | Nyle | my wifi router is on the same subnet as my roomates, internet |
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| 20:00.48 | DawnLight | bridging is all mighty |
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| 20:00.50 | wols | Nyle: public IPs vs. private ones |
| 20:00.59 | Nyle | i meant intnernal* |
| 20:01.01 | shamrock | What application would you recommend to take snapshots (still images) on debian from a supported webcam? |
| 20:01.02 | Nyle | not internet |
| 20:01.25 | wols | plus bridging is a lot more complicated to set up than "apt-get install ipmasq" |
| 20:01.25 | Nyle | shamrock: search for webcam in apt-cache |
| 20:01.27 | dimir | Morning! |
| 20:01.35 | DawnLight | shamrock: ahm... camstream i think |
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| 20:01.41 | shamrock | Nyle, can you recommend an app. I know how to search. |
| 20:01.48 | Nyle | shamrock: nope |
| 20:01.53 | shamrock | ok. |
| 20:01.53 | Nyle | shamrock: don't own a webcam sorry |
| 20:02.12 | shamrock | aha even more. done help out on a medical channel please .... |
| 20:04.19 | Nyle | shamrock: don't be mad at me because you can't find what you are looking for |
| 20:04.22 | rdz | wols, the actual situation is this: i am connected to a router over wireless, but i don't have a public ip address, i am already in a subnet (i have 192.168.1.109). my ethernet plug is currently unused and my gf doesn't have wireless, that is why i thought it would be nice to give her internet access through it for her |
| 20:04.48 | cahoot | shamrock: not a webcamt that uses uvcvideo? |
| 20:04.55 | wols | rdz: then you can use a bridge if you want. it's cleaner but harder to setup in dbeina |
| 20:05.13 | DawnLight | wols: it isn't harder than anything |
| 20:05.15 | rdz | wols, why is bridgin cleaner? |
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| 20:05.18 | Nyle | wols: dbeina |
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| 20:05.56 | wols | cause using NAT would mean a double NAT |
| 20:06.09 | Nyle | bridging would put you on a single subnet |
| 20:06.11 | Nyle | do it |
| 20:06.14 | gallus | hi |
| 20:06.14 | wols | Nyle: you know I can't type |
| 20:06.16 | DawnLight | rdz: install bridge-utils and read the README.Debian |
| 20:06.19 | rdz | i see... it woud only work nicely if i have a public address |
| 20:06.37 | Nyle | wols: of course, its common knowledge |
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| 20:07.01 | rdz | DawnLight, i'd ike to do so, but can you assure me, that i do not need to be a network guru in order to set that up? |
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| 20:07.21 | gallus | i have bought a connector that lets me connect a ide hdd and a sata hdd to a usb port |
| 20:07.30 | DawnLight | rdz: you know irc? that'll do |
| 20:07.34 | rdz | sorry, i mean: do you think i don't need to be a guru in order to set it up? |
| 20:07.39 | Nyle | gallus: wtf |
| 20:07.40 | cyberfr0g | hi |
| 20:07.42 | rdz | ok |
| 20:07.55 | rdz | DawnLight, wols thank you very much for your hep |
| 20:07.57 | rdz | help |
| 20:07.58 | Nyle | hes like, hi, i bought something. hehe |
| 20:08.07 | rdz | i need first to get a cable |
| 20:08.32 | gallus | Nyle: with windows I am able to connect both the 2 hdd but on my debian i can't |
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| 20:08.47 | Nyle | gallus: then try asking the entire question on one line :) |
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| 20:08.56 | Nyle | gallus: and why not? |
| 20:09.06 | rdz | wols, do i get it right, that with using ipmasq and dnsmasq my box would replace a router/nat/firewall/dhcp-server? |
| 20:09.15 | gallus | Nyle: I think it's a problem with mount |
| 20:09.24 | ben1597 | Question for anyone: is there a way to extract/reinstall a single file through dpkg/apt? |
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| 20:09.39 | Nyle | gallus: connect the power, then plug in the adapter, then plug in the usb, wait a tick, open console, mount it |
| 20:09.50 | Nyle | gallus: what filesystem is on it and how are you trying to mount it |
| 20:09.53 | cyberfr0g | dunno |
| 20:10.13 | gallus | Nyle: 2 disks with FAT32 |
| 20:10.24 | DawnLight | ben1597: sounds like you want to break something |
| 20:10.39 | Nyle | !fat32 |
| 20:10.39 | dpkg | modprobe vfat ; mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /wherever |
| 20:10.43 | gallus | Nyle: the problem is that i'm able to mount simply one |
| 20:10.53 | ben1597 | DawnLight: I do have a hankering, yes |
| 20:10.53 | futex | anyone had compile KDE 4? |
| 20:11.17 | ben1597 | futex: not personally, but it looks beautiful. |
| 20:11.27 | Nyle | gallus: both drives on one usb line? |
| 20:11.28 | DawnLight | ben1597: what do you want to break? |
| 20:11.33 | DawnLight | ben1597: and why |
| 20:11.50 | teclo- | in what package can I find the "arch" command ? |
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| 20:11.56 | gallus | Nyle: yes |
| 20:11.57 | phretor | hi there |
| 20:12.06 | ben1597 | DawnLight: actually I want to restore the original slapd.conf |
| 20:12.10 | Nyle | gallus: its not going to work i think |
| 20:12.46 | ben1597 | easy to do indirectly, but intuitively there should be a way using dpkg |
| 20:12.46 | gallus | Nyle: on windows work |
| 20:12.53 | DawnLight | ben1597: then you should be figuring out how to decompress a .deb |
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| 20:13.12 | Lisper | hi |
| 20:13.18 | gallus | Nyle: but i want to use these disk on my Debian |
| 20:13.29 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:13.34 | Lisper | anyone knows what repositories contain the nvidia-glx package? |
| 20:13.38 | Nyle | what kind of a usb thing is it? |
| 20:13.40 | gallus | Nyle: i know how to mount a device |
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| 20:14.13 | Nyle | i have one called drive mate, works wonders |
| 20:14.22 | Nyle | linux and windows |
| 20:14.42 | teclo- | okay, in etch, arch was in util-linux. But where is it in lenny ? |
| 20:14.47 | gallus | Nyle: this thing works to with windows and linux |
| 20:14.58 | DawnLight | Lisper: the non-free ones |
| 20:14.59 | phretor | when I plug a usb-drive in, the device is sequentially named as /dev/sd[a,b,c..]. How can I ensure that "my black-enclosed WD hard drive" is assigned to `sda` and "my LaCIE" is assigned to `sdb`, regardless of the pluggin order? |
| 20:15.10 | DawnLight | !tell Lisper about non-free |
| 20:15.19 | gallus | Nyle: but on a windows system i'm able to connect simultaneosly 2 disk |
| 20:15.33 | gallus | Nyle: I can't do the same on linux |
| 20:16.05 | DawnLight | gallus: that's becuase linux sucks |
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| 20:16.28 | Nyle | simonrvn: huh |
| 20:16.33 | gallus | Nyle: do you know if it's possible to query the system to know which device are connect to a usb port? |
| 20:16.34 | Nyle | linux sucks |
| 20:16.41 | Nyle | what |
| 20:16.43 | gallus | DawnLight: what? |
| 20:16.44 | assasukasse | hi everyone, i am looking for a website where new and useful packages are reviewed...maybe in the form of a feed.. |
| 20:16.50 | Nyle | gallus: lsusb? |
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| 20:16.55 | assasukasse | since debian has so many packages that i get lost |
| 20:17.01 | DawnLight | gallus: only joking. don't know, really |
| 20:17.07 | simonrvn | Nyle: 304 means file hasn't changed, in http speak |
| 20:17.49 | gallus | DawnLight: ok :) |
| 20:18.01 | Nyle | 304 means Nyle needs to shut the fuck up and go smoke a joint |
| 20:18.07 | Nyle | so here goes Nyle |
| 20:18.09 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:18.25 | Nyle | I haven't seen that stoned guy in a while |
| 20:18.39 | Nyle | i wonder where he is |
| 20:18.56 | simonrvn | i don't know... good question ;) |
| 20:18.58 | ben1597 | DawnLight: I guess there is no direct way |
| 20:18.59 | DawnLight | probebly forgot his password |
| 20:19.26 | DawnLight | ben1597: just because i don't know, doesn't mean you should give up |
| 20:19.34 | Nyle | DawnLight: hey man, don't make fun of him |
| 20:19.35 | teclo- | I need the /bin/arch binary. In etch, it was in util-linux... In lenny, it is gone, I can't find it ! Any idea ? |
| 20:19.50 | y | how to find 'php.ini' in my system? |
| 20:19.53 | simonrvn | !+find bin/arch lenny |
| 20:19.54 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:20.03 | Nyle | !info util-linux lenny |
| 20:20.04 | hark | teclo-: it's deprecated. use uname -m |
| 20:20.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/arch' (8 of 19): (/usr/bin/archer) in text/libbow ;; (/usr/bin/archmbox) in mail/archmbox ;; (/usr/bin/archmage) in utils/archmage ;; (/usr/bin/archpath) in devel/devscripts ;; (/usr/bin/arch2rad) in graphics/radiance ;; (/usr/bin/arch2darcs) in devel/arch2darcs ;; (/usr/bin/archivemail) in mail/archivemail ;; (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/arch) in mail/mailman. |
| 20:20.08 | ben1597 | DawnLight: as far as I can tell there is nothing documented. |
| 20:20.10 | gallus | Nyle: the product is Sitecom CC-330 |
| 20:20.11 | dpkg | util-linux: (Miscellaneous system utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.13-8 (lenny), Packaged size: 423 kB, Installed size: 1348 kB |
| 20:20.30 | teclo- | hark: yeah but, SecondLife needs it ! |
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| 20:20.40 | simonrvn | symlink it... |
| 20:21.03 | simonrvn | or make a wrapper script, and tell them to update their systems... |
| 20:21.21 | ben1597 | dpkg has the extract switch, but you need to obtain the deb first from either your cache or the repo and then pick the file, move it, and delete the deb and extracted files |
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| 20:21.35 | Nyle | simonrvn simonrvn radioactive simonrvn doing what radioactive simonrvn does |
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| 20:21.46 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 20:21.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:22.07 | DawnLight | is O_O a penguin look? |
| 20:22.33 | simonrvn | it's what happens to your eyes when you raise your eyebrows |
| 20:22.42 | simonrvn | open wide |
| 20:22.51 | DawnLight | O_O |
| 20:23.05 | Nyle | simonrvn: my sister made Sheer yesterday for Eid |
| 20:23.25 | simonrvn | 'made Sheer'? |
| 20:23.32 | Nyle | yeh |
| 20:23.46 | Nyle | its like thick milkd after you cook it |
| 20:23.55 | simonrvn | oh, neat :) |
| 20:23.58 | Nyle | with lots of sugar and little rice and dried fruit and some other stuff |
| 20:24.14 | Nyle | its like kheer but only sheer |
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| 20:24.32 | simonrvn | sounds yummy |
| 20:24.44 | monokrome | Anyone here know what the difference between generating a security certificate and buying one from someone like Komodo is? |
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| 20:25.04 | Nyle | http://www.blessingsonthenet.com/Temple/pics/sheer korma.jpg |
| 20:25.26 | simonrvn | ie users can't browse your ssl site, but who cares about that ;) |
| 20:25.31 | DawnLight | 'round these parts they milk the cows so bad, i just can't eat the milk products no more |
| 20:25.55 | Nyle | man im tellin y |
| 20:26.01 | monokrome | So, I need to buy one because of IE? |
| 20:26.03 | Nyle | north indian people know how to make sweets |
| 20:26.03 | y | tellling y? =) |
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| 20:26.07 | Nyle | gulab jaman |
| 20:26.10 | monokrome | Sounds like a ploy by M$ to make more $. |
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| 20:26.22 | Ace2016 | Anyone here use conky? i need help |
| 20:26.24 | simonrvn | looks tasty |
| 20:26.33 | Ace2016 | how do i make it show stuff in MB instead of MiB??? |
| 20:26.36 | Nyle | http://www.chitalefoods.com/images/foods_mid.jpg |
| 20:26.38 | simonrvn | monokrome: no, fuck ie |
| 20:26.42 | Nyle | man |
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| 20:27.01 | Nyle | sweet sugary full of sweet juice those little balls |
| 20:27.02 | simonrvn | they should be using a real browser |
| 20:27.03 | Nyle | mmm |
| 20:27.06 | yusu0 | i have trouble with debian its doesnt sem to like me copying anything over the networl |
| 20:27.10 | Nyle | oh i am getttin gmunchies now |
| 20:27.11 | Nyle | damit |
| 20:27.12 | monokrome | simonrvn: Sadly enough, lots of people use the worst browser in the world. |
| 20:27.12 | DawnLight | Ace2016: try #kde |
| 20:27.18 | Nyle | monokrome: which is ? |
| 20:27.21 | Nyle | IE? |
| 20:27.26 | monokrome | Yes. |
| 20:27.26 | Nyle | of course? |
| 20:27.27 | Ace2016 | #kde??? how is conky a part of kde? |
| 20:27.28 | Nyle | yes |
| 20:27.33 | Nyle | conky? |
| 20:27.34 | phretor | no ideas for my problem? |
| 20:27.38 | DawnLight | Ace2016: what is conky? |
| 20:27.43 | yusu0 | any ideas for my problem |
| 20:27.44 | Nyle | is that short for konqueror |
| 20:27.46 | simonrvn | yeh, i tell them to use a real browser on my site |
| 20:27.47 | Nyle | konqi? |
| 20:27.51 | Ace2016 | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Another+conky+scripts?content=58555 |
| 20:27.58 | yusu0 | konqi is rubbish |
| 20:28.00 | Nyle | simonrvn: name a fake browser |
| 20:28.03 | simonrvn | conky != konqi |
| 20:28.08 | Nyle | konqueror is great |
| 20:28.09 | monokrome | simonrvn: I always put a little "warning" bar at the top of the pages. |
| 20:28.10 | Ace2016 | its a simple desktop system monitor |
| 20:28.11 | y | Why can't I write in this directory even though it is 775 and I am a member of the group? |
| 20:28.15 | yusu0 | firefox is better |
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| 20:28.20 | simonrvn | ie is a fake browser |
| 20:28.23 | Nyle | firefox is bloat |
| 20:28.26 | Ace2016 | firefox is slow, opera is better |
| 20:28.30 | monokrome | simonrvn: Fake browser? |
| 20:28.40 | Nyle | monokrome: yes, you are a fake browser |
| 20:28.46 | yusu0 | so does anyone know why i cant copy over my network |
| 20:29.01 | simonrvn | real geeks use netcat ;p |
| 20:29.02 | monokrome | yusu0: You're doing it wrong |
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| 20:29.12 | yusu0 | how am i supposed to be doin it |
| 20:29.13 | Nyle | simonrvn: hm |
| 20:29.14 | monokrome | Yay for nc! |
| 20:29.17 | simonrvn | yusu0: try #mindreaders |
| 20:29.22 | Nyle | simonrvn: write a webserver in nc? |
| 20:29.29 | monokrome | or possibly #ESP |
| 20:29.40 | Nyle | !jedi |
| 20:29.42 | yusu0 | why cant i just copy over a smb network |
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| 20:29.55 | monokrome | yusu0: You probably set it up wrong. |
| 20:29.58 | Nyle | because you suck |
| 20:30.02 | Nyle | hehe j/k |
| 20:30.03 | yusu0 | st up |
| 20:30.10 | Nyle | just playin man |
| 20:30.13 | yusu0 | i can see the ntwork and access it just notwrite to it |
| 20:30.16 | Nyle | easin thetension |
| 20:30.26 | monokrome | yusu0: writable = yes |
| 20:30.41 | simonrvn | yusu0: apparently you need to tweak your conf |
| 20:30.43 | yusu0 | wats th command to gt into the samba config |
| 20:30.43 | Nyle | monokrome: good call |
| 20:30.46 | monokrome | the user and/or group that samba is running as would need access to the files, too, I believe. |
| 20:30.46 | gallus | Nyle: the first disk is automatically mount on /dev/sdb1 |
| 20:30.57 | Nyle | gallus: and what do you get if you try to mount the 2nd one |
| 20:31.01 | Nyle | should be sdb2 |
| 20:31.07 | Nyle | er.. sda1 |
| 20:31.08 | yusu0 | no im accessin a windows network on a windows pc |
| 20:31.26 | monokrome | sounds like a problem to take up in #windows |
| 20:31.31 | Nyle | yusu0: so wtf are you asking here |
| 20:31.34 | Nyle | adslfkadf |
| 20:31.43 | Nyle | !nyle |
| 20:31.48 | Nyle | im bored |
| 20:31.51 | Nyle | !bored |
| 20:31.52 | dpkg | i heard bored is something that you are when you are asking apt stupid questions like "tell me about bored", or what you are when you ask apt stupid questions like "What is bored?", or check http://www.freshmeat.net/random/, or check the debian user homepages, http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-worldmap/, or <reply> only boring people get bored |
| 20:31.53 | yusu0 | why i can copy files from my debian pc to a windows pc |
| 20:31.54 | gallus | sdb2 doesn't exists |
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| 20:31.57 | monokrome | If Debian is accessing it, and just can't write to it - it probably doesn't have write access. That's an issue with windows. |
| 20:32.00 | simonrvn | samba != windows; ask in #samba and ##windows |
| 20:32.13 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm having some problems getting my SPDIF to work on an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, does anyone know how to do this? |
| 20:32.31 | gallus | Nyle: sdb2 there is not |
| 20:32.51 | shamrock | I run camserv to stream my web cam out on port 9192. But why can camorama not read from the same device at the same time? It says it can not access the dev/video0 device. Surely its read only and should be supported? |
| 20:33.40 | phretor | ok, I guess you've missed my post :-P so I re-post. Sorry in advance. |
| 20:33.42 | phretor | when I plug a usb-drive in, the device is sequentially named as /dev/sd[a,b,c..]. How can I ensure that "my black-enclosed WD hard drive" is assigned to `sda` and "my LaCIE" is assigned to `sdb`, regardless of the pluggin order? |
| 20:34.01 | shamrock | phretor : move to UUIDs. |
| 20:34.13 | phretor | shamrock: FS UUIDS? |
| 20:34.25 | simonrvn | shamrock: devices like that need exclusive access. look for a way to split it |
| 20:34.38 | shamrock | simonrvn: I am. I am asking here. |
| 20:35.06 | shamrock | phretor: unique identifiers for each drive. You label the drive with a UUID and then mount based on UUID. |
| 20:35.31 | shamrock | e.g in my fstab : UUID=9cca18b2-5ab8-11dc-b209-001109be458b /media/home_bu ext3 defaults,user,auto 0 0 |
| 20:35.33 | phretor | shamrock: is this done at "drive level" or "partition level"? |
| 20:35.35 | teclo- | I'm getting kdesktop_lock[24965]: segfault at 00000000 eip 00000000 esp bf8986e0 error 4 whenever I try to lock the screen in KDE |
| 20:35.38 | simonrvn | shamrock: that i don't know, others likely do |
| 20:35.48 | yusu0 | sorted now, thx for not helping |
| 20:36.00 | simonrvn | np |
| 20:36.12 | simonrvn | ,.|.. for the sarcasm ;) |
| 20:36.18 | gallus | Nyle: is it possible to create the /dev/sdb2 ? |
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| 20:37.05 | Nyle | gallus: not sdb2 |
| 20:37.12 | rdz | DawnLight, i am reading the manual of brctl, but i am not quite sure, if i understand everything. do you happen to know a page, thtat describes the use of brctl with a bit more detail? (how can i access the internet after having created the bridge?) |
| 20:37.18 | Nyle | gallus: sdb is your whole disk 1,2 etc are partitions |
| 20:37.29 | Nyle | gallus: your 2nd DISK would be sda or sdc or somethig |
| 20:38.12 | gallus | Nyle: sorry i know it was a stupid question |
| 20:38.29 | DawnLight | rdz: look, ifupdown scripts do this for you, so you only need to set up the interfaces file |
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| 20:39.44 | rdz | DawnLight, excuse my ignorance, but which file is that? |
| 20:39.50 | EruditeHermit | hey, whenever I try to eject an ipod by right clicking the icon on the desktop, I get a message saying unable to eject. Can anyone help? |
| 20:40.06 | DawnLight | rdz: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:40.37 | DawnLight | rdz: how does your wireless interface get configured? |
| 20:40.58 | rdz | DawnLight, i use nm-applet |
| 20:41.15 | DawnLight | rdz: what is that? |
| 20:41.32 | rdz | it was the only tool i could find that allowed me to access a WPA protected wifi-net |
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| 20:42.21 | rdz | hm.. it seems to be part of the pacakge network-manager-gnome |
| 20:42.21 | gallus | Nyle: no other disks seems to be mountable |
| 20:42.26 | solar_sea | how is the CLASSPATH variable set in debian ? i have installed sun-java6 but env | grep CLASS returns nothing |
| 20:42.59 | DawnLight | rdz: well, perhaps that network-manager-gnome package has something to configure bridges |
| 20:43.24 | DawnLight | rdz: i do all network configurations with the ifupdown scripts |
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| 20:43.29 | rdz | DawnLight, how can i access a wpa protected net with a commmand ine tool? |
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| 20:44.06 | rdz | DawnLight, i'd like to do so as wel, but i didn't figure out how to use WPA |
| 20:44.22 | DawnLight | !tell rdz about wpa |
| 20:44.31 | hdevalence | What does 'No kernel modules were found' mean? |
| 20:44.44 | rdz | hm...:-( |
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| 20:44.53 | rdz | is it down? |
| 20:44.56 | SpeedyG | hi, i'm having some problems getting my SPDIF to work on an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard, does anyone know how to do this or where to look ? |
| 20:44.56 | hdevalence | How would I fix this? |
| 20:44.57 | y | Why can't I write in this directory even though it is 775 and I am a member of the group? |
| 20:45.00 | DawnLight | rdz: i don't have experience with wpa, but i do have with wireless |
| 20:45.58 | rdz | DawnLight, i still don't quite understand how all the parts work together.. can i read somewhere about this? |
| 20:46.19 | DawnLight | rdz: i'll try and give you the picture... |
| 20:46.31 | rdz | as far as i understand, creating a bridge means connecting to networks together transparently |
| 20:46.38 | rdz | *two |
| 20:46.59 | _ke | wols, it seems that my 5190 port gets filtered on my router and even doesnt reach the server. so the ports on the server are fine |
| 20:47.06 | rdz | but how does this network get a connection to the internet? |
| 20:47.07 | Tramp | rdz: wpa_supplicant, wpa_cli |
| 20:47.20 | rdz | and how can i access the bridge? |
| 20:47.24 | rdz | Tramp, thanks |
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| 20:48.04 | rdz | Tramp, sorry, are those packages? |
| 20:48.12 | rdz | i can't find them |
| 20:48.15 | DawnLight | rdz: ifconfig and iwconfig are the programs that configure the interfaces. debian has the ifupdown scripts in the ifupdown pacakge, which bring up/down and configure your interfaces using the mentioned programs according to the interfaces file, which you edit |
| 20:48.18 | gallus | ok thank you very much see you soon |
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| 20:48.26 | RichiH | hmm |
| 20:48.32 | Tramp | rdz: wpasupplicant |
| 20:48.45 | RichiH | how do i tell convert that i want the longer side to be a max of 400 pixels long, no matter if its x or y? |
| 20:48.49 | rdz | Tramp, thanks |
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| 20:49.04 | RichiH | ah, wait, i specify 400 as max for both axes |
| 20:49.15 | Tramp | !tell rdz about search |
| 20:49.43 | rdz | DawnLight, i am a bit familiar with using ifconfig and iwconfig... ...thanks for the info |
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| 20:50.37 | rdz | DawnLight, so this means, i need to configure eth1 (my wireless) to connect to the internet and then create a bridge between eth0 and eth1? |
| 20:50.53 | DawnLight | rdz: http://pastebin.ca/828932 is an example of an interfaces file. it is my router box's |
| 20:50.57 | rdz | so that what ever connects to eth0 can access the internet? |
| 20:51.08 | rdz | DawnLight, thank you |
| 20:51.56 | DawnLight | rdz: generally, bridging is like hard-wiring or like joining together interfaces like a hub |
| 20:53.17 | DawnLight | rdz: if this isn't a laptop then you can firstly try to configure the wireless connection in the interfaces file |
| 20:53.32 | rdz | DawnLight, ok.. does that mean, i don't have to configure anything at all on eth0 (ethernet, that would be used as the uplink for my gf)? |
| 20:54.04 | rdz | DawnLight, why does it matter if it is a laptop? yes, both are laptops |
| 20:54.08 | DawnLight | right. no configuration there. it is like it doesn't exist as itself |
| 20:54.24 | rdz | DawnLight, cool. i think i start to understand |
| 20:54.38 | DawnLight | becuase the ifupdown scripts are not practical for moving between networks |
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| 20:55.34 | DawnLight | that is what the various network managers are good for |
| 20:56.01 | rdz | DawnLight, i see. the situation is this: this is only temporary for the next 3 weeks, but i won't connect to other networks during this periodss. so i am ok with configuring everything in ifupdown scripts |
| 20:56.12 | rdz | DawnLight, i see. thanks you a lot |
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| 20:57.26 | DawnLight | my pleasure. but there may be a problem in bridging between a wired and an encrypted wireless network |
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| 20:57.54 | DawnLight | i don't have experience with that, but i've been told so |
| 20:58.39 | hdevalence | I'm trying to install sid on my machine using the debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso file. I checked the md5sum, and it's the same image. But whenever I try to start the installer, I get an error about missing kernel modules. The install then fails because I don't have the right drivers. How can I solve this problem? |
| 20:59.22 | DawnLight | rdz: i wouldn't build on this without testing becuase of this |
| 20:59.46 | DawnLight | hdevalence: don't use sid |
| 20:59.50 | rdz | DawnLight, what does that mean? |
| 21:00.20 | DawnLight | rdz: did you read my last lines? |
| 21:01.05 | rdz | DawnLight, i understood that there might be a probem when bridgin ethernet with encrypted wireless |
| 21:01.22 | rdz | but i didnt underestand your last sentence |
| 21:01.34 | rdz | (probably because of my bad english) |
| 21:01.56 | hdevalence | Dawnlight: Last time I checked, etch didn't like my ethernet card. If there's a nice way to get around that, please let me know |
| 21:02.54 | Claudio32m | does rsync require something like rsyncd to run on the remote computer? |
| 21:03.02 | Claudio32m | i want to use it for backups |
| 21:03.12 | hdevalence | Claudio32m: depends |
| 21:03.57 | DawnLight | rdz: you should test the bridge before your girlfriend comes over |
| 21:04.10 | hdevalence | Claudio32m: if you do rsync /path/to/source/ user@host:/path/to/destination/ then no |
| 21:04.39 | hdevalence | Claudio32m: but there is a way to have an rsyncd running\ |
| 21:04.54 | DawnLight | hdevalence: get another ethernet card or use lenny. not sid |
| 21:04.59 | Claudio32m | hdevalence thanks |
| 21:05.05 | hdevalence | Claudio32m: I'm not really sure as to the pros/cons of either approach |
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| 21:05.30 | cloakable | I much prefer Unison over rsync, personaly. |
| 21:05.42 | hdevalence | DawnLight: I can't get another ethernet card, it's builtin to my laptop |
| 21:06.07 | rdz | DawnLight, yeah, of course. thanks |
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| 21:13.25 | Claudio32m | hdevalence - is there a way to give it the password on the command line? all i found is a file password |
| 21:13.35 | Claudio32m | it has to be automated |
| 21:13.44 | Claudio32m | i cant sit there and put the password all the time |
| 21:13.59 | hdevalence | Claudio32m: no idea |
| 21:14.03 | Claudio32m | allright |
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| 21:15.35 | hdevalence | Dawnlight: does "use lenny" = cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso ? |
| 21:15.48 | hdevalence | DawnLight: just want to make sure I have the right iso |
| 21:16.06 | DawnLight | hdevalence: lenny is testing, yes |
| 21:16.41 | DawnLight | how could it be that apt-get build-dep leads me in circles? |
| 21:17.03 | hdevalence | DawnLight: that's the one I have |
| 21:17.32 | DawnLight | hdevalence: then this is not sid. it is lenny. sid is unstable |
| 21:17.55 | DawnLight | hdevalence: what is the problem you are having with it? |
| 21:17.59 | hdevalence | DawnLight: sorry, my mistake. |
| 21:18.20 | hdevalence | Dawnlight: it gives me an error about not being able to load kernel modules |
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| 21:18.58 | hdevalence | DawnLight: and then if you choose to proceed anyways, it doesn't work |
| 21:20.36 | DawnLight | hdevalence: i'm not savvy with kernel stuff but which modules does it have a problem with? |
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| 21:21.11 | teclo- | any of you running Second Life succesfully on Debian lenny ? |
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| 21:21.33 | nvz_ | Claudio32m: dont use password logins |
| 21:21.40 | biopyte | hi. is there a straightforward way, to make the Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965a/g/n work on Lenny? |
| 21:22.28 | DawnLight | biopyte: googling did any good? |
| 21:22.29 | streuner | biopyte: did you search via groups.google.com about? |
| 21:22.37 | streuner | !wireless |
| 21:22.38 | dpkg | it has been said that wireless is The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <what's my wireless> |
| 21:23.04 | rdz | DawnLight, found a pretty helpful page about bridging: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Net:Bridge |
| 21:23.37 | DawnLight | rdz: thanks |
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| 21:24.27 | biopyte | DawnLight: this topic is a currently a moving target. i hope to find a starightforward way to do it, without too much 'fiddling'. |
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| 21:24.40 | streuner | biopyte: well, search for an opensource-solution, if you cannot find something there is as last solution "ndiswrapper" |
| 21:24.42 | cahoot | biopyte: iwlwifi works fine with my intel3945 |
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| 21:24.48 | hdevalence | DawnLight: After booting I get to choose language , keymap, etc.. then it scans, then I get "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive" |
| 21:25.14 | DawnLight | hdevalence: what processor do you have there? |
| 21:25.20 | cahoot | biopyte: it's meant for your device too |
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| 21:25.41 | biopyte | iwlwifi is installed. but now what? |
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| 21:25.59 | cahoot | firmware too? |
| 21:26.19 | biopyte | i wonder that there is no wireless option in the gnome system menu. |
| 21:26.36 | hdevalence | DawnLight: Intel Core 2 T5250 |
| 21:26.44 | streuner | GNOME doesnt provide driver and it doesnt read for you :-) |
| 21:27.03 | biopyte | firmware-iwlwifi is installed. besides i have no clue. kernel 2.6.22 should support it. |
| 21:27.43 | cahoot | modprobe iwl4965? |
| 21:28.01 | DawnLight | hdevalence: i don't know those processors. are they compatible with amd64? |
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| 21:28.34 | teclo- | In Debian Lenny, the only thing I see with amarok is the splashscreen... any idea ? |
| 21:28.36 | biopyte | cahoot: iwl4965 not found. |
| 21:29.18 | streuner | biopyte: for what does zedat stand for? |
| 21:29.40 | biopyte | streuner: dunno |
| 21:30.31 | derro | hello, why is every program in english on debian lenny? i want german language. how can i change? |
| 21:31.08 | streuner | biopyte: "Die Zentraleinrichtung für Datenverarbeitung (ZEDAT) ist das Hochschulrechenzentrum der Freien Universität Berlin (FU)" |
| 21:31.24 | hdevalence | DawnLight: Should be. They are definitely x86 (I'm running 32bit kubuntu on it currently), but I get the same error when using an i386 cd |
| 21:31.41 | biopyte | streuner: can you tell me what this is good for? |
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| 21:32.53 | biopyte | streuner knows fu berlin? |
| 21:33.07 | DawnLight | hdevalence: file an installation report |
| 21:33.11 | streuner | no, not really |
| 21:33.21 | hdevalence | DawnLight: where? |
| 21:34.58 | biopyte | how can i check if my Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965a/g/n is recognized by the system. lspci gives me no clue. |
| 21:35.12 | streuner | dmesg |
| 21:35.42 | DawnLight | hdevalence: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ch05s03.html.en |
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| 21:36.39 | teclo- | Just after upgrading to lenny, amarok and xmms both crash, with "Segmentation Fault" |
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| 21:36.45 | Freakingme | I swapped an old hda hdd with a new sata hdd. Whenever I boot, fsck dies with error 8 (operational error). How do I fix that? |
| 21:36.53 | DawnLight | hdevalence: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en is more suibtable |
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| 21:37.13 | Cr3ature | how do you see the current network traffic? |
| 21:37.23 | cahoot | biopyte: you mean lspci -v | Wire doesn't show it? |
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| 21:37.32 | teclo- | Just after upgrading to lenny, amarok and xmms both crash, with "Segmentation Fault" ... any idea how I could fix that ? |
| 21:37.35 | cahoot | biopyte: err you mean lspci -v | grep Wire doesn't show it? |
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| 21:39.47 | biopyte | cahoot: well, Firewire, nothing else |
| 21:40.10 | biopyte | steuner: dmesg gives me no clue for any wifi device. |
| 21:40.32 | streuner | thats a bad sign |
| 21:40.35 | cahoot | biopyte: it's supposed to be onboard? |
| 21:40.37 | biopyte | but there must be wifi, because it ran on windows when i booted the box the first time. |
| 21:40.47 | biopyte | cahoot: yes |
| 21:40.50 | hdevalence | DawnLight: So, it looks like I won't be switching to Debian for a little while... |
| 21:40.50 | peppe | Cr3ature: tcpdump? |
| 21:41.09 | peppe | teclo-: run them into gdb and make a backtrace |
| 21:41.23 | Cr3ature | k |
| 21:41.25 | DawnLight | hdevalence: have you tried the suggestions there? |
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| 21:41.28 | peppe | teclo-: are you sure that you're hardware's OK? (ram, disks)? |
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| 21:41.39 | Cr3ature | 24127.6KB/s |
| 21:41.46 | biopyte | cahoot: however; the package doesnt tell it. it says: intel gma960 wwan. |
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| 21:42.21 | biopyte | cahoot: sorry, thats wrong. the package explicitly tells i have the 4965. |
| 21:42.27 | peppe | Cr3ature: sorry: do you mean, what is going through your network interfaces right now or just the bandwidth used? |
| 21:42.30 | biopyte | agn |
| 21:42.32 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 21:42.35 | Cr3ature | iptraf shows |
| 21:42.39 | peppe | iptraf, gkrellm. |
| 21:42.42 | peppe | (...) |
| 21:42.42 | Cr3ature | but thats like way too low |
| 21:42.47 | Cr3ature | i have a gigabit network |
| 21:42.58 | Cr3ature | it should be so many times more |
| 21:43.07 | streuner | biopyte: what does lspci -v tell you about the chipset? |
| 21:43.08 | biopyte | cahoot, streuner: but neither lspci, dmesg or whatever list the wifi hardware. |
| 21:43.17 | Cr3ature | it should be like 40MB/s atleast |
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| 21:43.38 | peppe | Cr3ature: why? |
| 21:43.47 | streuner | biopyte: you NEED first to know what chipset you have |
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| 21:44.19 | Cr3ature | peppe: cause its a gigabit link |
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| 21:44.23 | peppe | biopyte: paste the outputs of dmesg / lspci / lsusb |
| 21:44.42 | streuner | biopyte: if you cannot find in lspci just use windows in "Systemsteuerung" and take a look there |
| 21:45.02 | streuner | biopyte: paste.debian.net |
| 21:45.09 | biopyte | alright |
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| 21:45.28 | peppe | Cr3ature: so what? if you are sending a file from your disk, and the disk's read bandwidth is 20MB/s, your card will send at most 20MB/s |
| 21:45.43 | Cr3ature | yea |
| 21:45.55 | Cr3ature | but now its not even 3MB/s |
| 21:46.06 | Cr3ature | thats pathetic |
| 21:46.07 | peppe | what are you doing exactly? |
| 21:46.17 | Cr3ature | trasnferring stuff between computers |
| 21:46.19 | Cr3ature | using Samba |
| 21:46.36 | peppe | both computers connected with a gigabit link via a gigabit switch? |
| 21:46.41 | Cr3ature | both have gigabit interfaces trought a gigait switch |
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| 21:46.54 | neotic | configure samba correct then |
| 21:46.57 | peppe | check disks |
| 21:46.59 | Cr3ature | and the switch shows both computers have aquired the 1000 link |
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| 21:47.16 | peppe | I mean, monitor your disk activity |
| 21:47.23 | Cr3ature | how? |
| 21:47.24 | peppe | is the disk reading at its full speed? |
| 21:47.38 | peppe | dunno, gkrellm, etc. |
| 21:47.39 | assilva | fala rapasiada |
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| 21:48.33 | hdevalence | DawnLight: under 'Memory', should I put the amount I have or the brand? |
| 21:48.43 | Cr3ature | E: Couldn't find package gkrellem |
| 21:48.52 | biopyte | streuner, peppe: one moment |
| 21:48.59 | streuner | Cr3ature: gkrellm |
| 21:49.09 | Ronin | spelled gkrellm |
| 21:49.15 | peppe | :-) |
| 21:50.02 | Cr3ature | this disk has almost 70MB/s read speed |
| 21:50.24 | Cr3ature | and the disk receiving should have atleast 45Mb/s |
| 21:50.26 | DawnLight | hdevalence: i don't know what you're talking about |
| 21:50.26 | Cr3ature | MB |
| 21:51.15 | hdevalence | DawnLight: 5.3.6 Submitting Installation reports |
| 21:51.44 | techouse | how do i make a .deb from a .run? |
| 21:51.47 | Cr3ature | lol what is that |
| 21:51.54 | Cr3ature | gkrellem is showing so different readings |
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| 21:52.13 | DawnLight | hdevalence: ah. i don't know. probably not important but they like details |
| 21:52.13 | cafuego | techouse: `checkinstall' is the easiest way. |
| 21:52.27 | DawnLight | good night |
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| 21:52.30 | piper69 | my firewall keep telling me " |
| 21:52.30 | peppe | Cr3ature: there are just too many factors: disk hardware (cables, etc.), file system, disk configuration (DMA, etc.), chipset drivers, network drivers, network hardware (your nic, the cables, the switch)... double-check every item :) |
| 21:52.31 | Cr3ature | the HDD usage is boncing from 6M to 35M |
| 21:52.55 | piper69 | Local Point: 192.168.1.101, port bootpc [68]" what is this mean please |
| 21:53.02 | biopyte | peppe, streuner: http://paste.debian.net/45429 |
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| 21:53.32 | techouse | oh...hell..it's a .bin package. how do i make a .deb from that? |
| 21:54.01 | peppe | biopyte: 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4230 (rev 61) <-- ? |
| 21:54.21 | biopyte | you think thats my wifi? |
| 21:54.26 | Cr3ature | umm |
| 21:54.29 | peppe | probably yes |
| 21:54.40 | Cr3ature | why is the gkrellem showing 30M network activity? |
| 21:54.41 | biopyte | hm |
| 21:54.45 | techouse | cafuego: how do i make a .deb from a .bin? |
| 21:54.48 | cafuego | techouse: `checkinstall' is the easiest way. |
| 21:54.53 | peppe | biopyte: http://www.pcidatabase.com/search.php?device_search_str=4230&device_search=Search |
| 21:54.55 | Cr3ature | is that in bytes or bits?? |
| 21:55.08 | peppe | Cr3ature: you can configure that |
| 21:55.09 | streuner | biopyte: laptop? |
| 21:55.17 | peppe | dunno what's the default |
| 21:55.24 | streuner | biopyte: what the exact name of the laptop? |
| 21:55.27 | biopyte | peppe: there it is |
| 21:55.38 | biopyte | streuner: yes, t61 |
| 21:55.47 | cahoot | try update-pciids |
| 21:55.48 | biopyte | streuner: thinkpad |
| 21:55.57 | BartVB | is there a way to tell rsync that I'm doing the initial sync, i.e. there is nothing to sync, it just has to transfer everything it has? |
| 21:56.04 | peppe | biopyte: yes, it's a 4965, and its iwlwifi driver is merged in 2.6.24 \o/ |
| 21:56.05 | piper69 | is there is astreisk for debian? |
| 21:56.05 | streuner | !laptops |
| 21:56.06 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 21:56.20 | Cr3ature | its bytes |
| 21:56.28 | Cr3ature | well that would then be correct value |
| 21:56.30 | Cr3ature | the 30M |
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| 21:57.01 | biopyte | peppe: that means i should rather wait in case i dont want to spent too much time with making it run immediately. |
| 21:57.15 | biopyte | cahoot: ok |
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| 21:57.41 | piper69 | !asterisk |
| 21:57.42 | dpkg | asterisk is, like, a VoIP phone system for linux. Very powerful very cool, or #asterisk-stable, or http://www.asterisk.org/ |
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| 21:58.19 | techouse | cafuego: what's the syntax to use checkinstall? |
| 21:58.28 | cafuego | sudo checkinstall ./whatever.bin |
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| 21:59.00 | cafuego | it'll run through the installer, checking what is installed.], then ask for some meta info and generate a .deb when done. |
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| 21:59.45 | biopyte | cahoot: cool. now 'lspci' displays wireless 4965 agn. |
| 21:59.47 | peppe | biopyte: I don't think that installing the iwlwifi driver under debian is a PITA |
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| 22:00.13 | biopyte | Pita, heheh, thats a yummy greek meal. |
| 22:00.28 | cahoot | biopyte: so iwl4965 should work |
| 22:00.30 | crumblenaut | what can cause a server to say "module not found" even though it definitely exists in /lib/modules/<running kernel>/ etc? |
| 22:00.41 | crumblenaut | is there somewhere that paths for modules to load are specified? |
| 22:00.43 | streuner | biopyte: http://www.nabble.com/Thinkpad-T61,-WLAN,-Etch-td14324578.html |
| 22:01.00 | pleed | can anyone please help me setting up my printer? i have a HP deskjet f380 and i ve already installed the hplib driver. i can also print testpages with the driver but not in the debian configuration. dont know what to do. |
| 22:01.02 | cahoot | isn't it Lenny? |
| 22:01.06 | peppe | biopyte: http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=linux-2.6;ver=2.6.23-2;arch=i386;stamp=1198253021 |
| 22:01.08 | biopyte | cahoot: ok, maybe it works now. maybe reboot helps. |
| 22:01.20 | peppe | biopyte: the iwlwifi driver is merged in debian's 2.6.23 |
| 22:01.40 | peppe | so install that kernel and the firmware (firmware-iwlwifi) |
| 22:01.51 | peppe | that should be enough :-) |
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| 22:03.01 | biopyte | peppe: yeah, thats what i knew 2.6.23 should do it. i hope it will be soon in lenny and then the upgrade will make it work. |
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| 22:03.26 | peppe | biopyte: ten days http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 22:03.30 | cahoot | !iwlwifi |
| 22:03.30 | dpkg | it has been said that iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets (http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi). Included in mainline 2.6.24 kernel and Debian 2.6.23 kernels ("modprobe iwl4965"). Binary regulatory daemon not required, but difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmwire provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi |
| 22:03.48 | peppe | (hey, the new PTS is so nice!) |
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| 22:06.19 | streuner | !be a man page barbie |
| 22:06.19 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
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| 22:08.40 | biopyte | cahoot, peppe, streuner: thanks a lot. due to 'update-pciids' at least the hardware is recognized now. i think i'll wait until 2.6.23 is in lenny. |
| 22:08.52 | streuner | no need to wait |
| 22:09.30 | biopyte | streuner: i dont feel comfortable installing that kernel from sid :-) |
| 22:09.30 | streuner | just try to download "unstable" kernel and use that, usually it should work, but dont tell that anyone ;-) |
| 22:10.09 | biopyte | ok. its 'only' a kernel i can choose from in the bootmenu. |
| 22:10.25 | biopyte | putting it that way, why not!? |
| 22:10.33 | simonrvn | yeh, only 700+ people know now ;) |
| 22:10.45 | streuner | simonrvn: :-P |
| 22:11.14 | streuner | lots of idler here |
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| 22:11.57 | streuner | simonrvn: you want him to compile a kernel? He doesnt like reading much... |
| 22:12.13 | simonrvn | his problem ;p |
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| 22:13.21 | biopyte | cahoot: btw, any tricks you learned using the t61 you could tell me :) |
| 22:13.26 | Zippy2 | im using t61 |
| 22:14.33 | crumblenaut | exit |
| 22:15.44 | biopyte | Zippy: how do you like it? anything particular. in a way its just another laptop. |
| 22:16.19 | biopyte | i mean debian related, in order to stay OT |
| 22:16.25 | rdz | DawnLight, there something i still dont understand: when my box is acting as a transparent bridge between eth1 and eth0, how can i access the internet from my box? |
| 22:17.39 | biopyte | Zippy2, cahoot: how do you dim the brightness using debian. |
| 22:17.56 | Claudio32m | i followed many docs on how to generate keys for rsync not to ask for password but it still does |
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| 22:18.53 | streuner | biopyte: Whats so hard to read? |
| 22:19.05 | tarzeau | this game absolutely kicks ass: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/panorama/slides/sauerbraten-windmill.html |
| 22:19.16 | streuner | streuner> biopyte: http://www.nabble.com/Thinkpad-T61,-WLAN,-Etch-td14324578.html |
| 22:19.39 | streuner | mention to http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian_Lenny_on_a_ThinkPad_T61 |
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| 22:20.28 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.28 | biopyte | streuner: ok, you're right. i know these sites. see, as i said, these things are moving targets, so meanwhile there might exist more straightforward ways to do it. |
| 22:21.38 | biopyte | however |
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| 22:23.47 | biopyte | streuner, how is the weather in berlin? |
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| 22:23.57 | biopyte | ) |
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| 22:26.47 | techouse | cafuego: i try but it always says permission denied; i tried as root and sudo |
| 22:27.12 | techouse | carfuego: /var/tmp/QhrrGYYOOTmorGEYITjEk/installscript.sh: line 4: ./realplay-10.1.0.3842-linux-2.6-glibc23-amd64.bin: Permission denied |
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| 22:29.01 | pleed | i need help configuring my hp deskjet f380 printer. i installed the driver and i m able to print testpages with it but not with the gnome configuration tools. what is it? |
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| 22:29.40 | cafuego | techouse: oh, I see. Well, first off,perhaps just use the .deb from ubuntu...otherwise, make the .bin executable first. |
| 22:29.54 | streuner | pleed: check out linux-printing.org first |
| 22:30.01 | pleed | okay |
| 22:30.26 | streuner | ink? |
| 22:30.32 | streuner | !listauth streuner |
| 22:30.32 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'streuner' (15 of 30): abandonware ;; cable modem howto ;; chm ;; cmd: geeksmite (.*?) ;; cmd: hakadance (.*?) ;; cmd: nvidia-installersmite (.*?) ;; htpc ;; neutered ;; rockbox ;; sarge bootfloppies ;; sarge frozen ;; scalix ;; ss ;; start an archiver war ;; why nvida-installer sucks. |
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| 22:30.51 | streuner | !hp inkjet install |
| 22:31.25 | VincentC | what is the default etch super-server? |
| 22:31.28 | streuner | !hpinkjet install |
| 22:31.28 | dpkg | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
| 22:31.38 | streuner | pleed: and read that ^^^ |
| 22:31.39 | Ronin | VincentC: etch super-server? |
| 22:32.09 | VincentC | does etch come with something like inetd out of the box? |
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| 22:32.55 | VincentC | super-daemon sorry |
| 22:34.09 | VincentC | i installed and uninstalled xinetd and i think it might have wiped out my old inetd config files |
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| 22:34.22 | streuner | that was very clever |
| 22:34.23 | VincentC | i can't ssh or ftp to my server anymore |
| 22:34.26 | crumblenaut | hi, i am getting a segfault when running depmod -a, can anyone give me some tips on debugging this? thanks.. |
| 22:35.19 | Hiroshi | Guys, I realize there probably isn't much support for lenny, but I just apt-get upgrade'd and now the font is screwed and my keybindings fail |
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| 22:39.17 | Hiroshi | lol |
| 22:39.18 | Hiroshi | nvm |
| 22:39.26 | pleed | streuner: well i wrote that i can print a testpage with the driver so i already have read and done this. it just doesnt work with the gnome configuration so i m not able to print. |
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| 22:42.16 | VincentC | can the inetd.conf file be updated automatically? i didn't edit it by hand the first time |
| 22:42.32 | VincentC | when i was setting up the server |
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| 22:43.05 | Cr3ature | are there any good samba share browsers? |
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| 22:47.03 | qwaz | trying to send mail with sendmail/mutt...getting Error sending message, child exited 67 (User unknown.) |
| 22:47.07 | qwaz | any thoughts? |
| 22:47.26 | biopyte | i wonder why xorg.conf lists the vesa driver though xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed. |
| 22:47.55 | biopyte | works anyway. |
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| 22:48.55 | JordiGH | Education software for keeping track of grades/marks and easily posting them online for the benefit of students? |
| 22:48.58 | RichiH | i need a script to randomize a few file names |
| 22:49.11 | JordiGH | I guess I could code up my own, but this seems like something that should have already been done. |
| 22:49.12 | RichiH | pseudo and/or deterministic 'random' is OK |
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| 22:49.57 | igno | Hello, i would like to unpack a deb archive (im using ubuntu), I know i need the ar utility for this, but which package contains it? |
| 22:50.08 | Ronin | igno: #ubuntu please and thank you |
| 22:50.10 | JordiGH | igno: ar is in base. |
| 22:50.16 | igno | ronin ok |
| 22:50.33 | biopyte | igno: you said the 'u' word. |
| 22:50.38 | Hoxzer | igno: try with file-roller if I remember correctly it should work |
| 22:50.40 | JordiGH | igno: In fact, "ar" was chosen because it should almost always be installed in every Unix-like distro. |
| 22:50.53 | Ronin | biopyte: well this is #debian and they arent running it so... |
| 22:51.07 | biopyte | ;) |
| 22:51.14 | igno | JordiGH unforutnately sysrescuecd doesnt contain it:-i |
| 22:51.34 | JordiGH | igno: Yeah, Ubuntu is weird like that. Go bitch at them. |
| 22:51.40 | rdz | hi all. i am trying to create an ethernet bridge on my box so that my gf can access the internet as well. the problem i have is that i don't know how i (from the box where the bridge is running on) can access the internet |
| 22:53.14 | LimCore | dd of /dev/hdd (where a DVD is inserted) would result in a dumb file, which format is same as typical ISO format, right? |
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| 22:58.00 | rdz | LimCore, i'd say so, yes |
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| 23:00.29 | rdz | wols, i couldn't test yet, if it is _really_ working, but i can setup a bridge now and add the both, wireless and wired ethernet, to it. however, i don't know how i can connect te internet, while the bridge is up. any ideas? is that possible at all? |
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| 23:02.13 | zoom | hello, how should i set up my sound card (sb live) in debian unstable? i have just upgraded from kernel 2.4 where it worked all right. What tool should I use? |
| 23:02.36 | zoom | in 2.4 i used oss, now i would like to prefer alsa |
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| 23:03.07 | Gokee2 | zoom, I use alsaconf |
| 23:03.13 | gynterk | hmm |
| 23:03.19 | gynterk | i have problem with wifi |
| 23:03.21 | zoom | Gokee2 checking |
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| 23:03.46 | penp | anyone know a good audio streaming program in debian? |
| 23:03.49 | gynterk | debian, etch ifconfic shows eth0 and sit0, eth0 should be wifi and eth1 is wired |
| 23:03.55 | pipeline | penp: icecast2 |
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| 23:04.20 | gynterk | I can't get it why ifconfig even shows eth0 and sit0, those are unconfigured |
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| 23:04.31 | CppIsWeird | does ubuntu really have a lot more problems then just simply debian? |
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| 23:05.37 | bit0 | CppIsWeird, ubuntu stable versus Debian stable? |
| 23:05.38 | Gokee2 | This is really odd. Can anyone get to the site everydns.net? I can wget the site from my server but can`t get to it at all from home.... |
| 23:06.13 | gynterk | Gokee2: blocked by certain ISPs ? |
| 23:06.29 | Gokee2 | I got to it fine yesterday |
| 23:06.30 | gynterk | Gokee2: shows blank page for me |
| 23:06.33 | CppIsWeird | i cant seem to keep a stable machine for more then a week (meaning without rebooting). my windows box beats that. |
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| 23:06.44 | Gokee2 | Hmm ok thats what comes up for me at home |
| 23:06.50 | CppIsWeird | I've had two strange problems when keeping my ubuntu box on for long periods of time. |
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| 23:07.10 | CppIsWeird | i was just wondering if this is the nature of linux desktop OS or if this is ubuntu. |
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| 23:07.17 | penp | CppIsWeird: it's ubuntu. |
| 23:07.22 | wols | rdz: you need to assign an IP to the bridge interface |
| 23:07.25 | penp | CppIsWeird: that's the short answer |
| 23:07.25 | ahboy | anyone know how to terminal run gnome network manager |
| 23:07.41 | gynterk | my server uptime is 30 days (last reboot was due power blackout) |
| 23:07.44 | Gokee2 | CppIsWeird, I almost never restart my computers |
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| 23:08.28 | xand | abrotman: something's very wrong |
| 23:08.29 | Gokee2 | CppIsWeird, uptime is 28 days right now, thats when my power went out last. |
| 23:08.32 | zoom | Gokee2 alsaconf set up my card all right, superb:) is this setup permament? |
| 23:08.41 | CppIsWeird | fine then im debianing the box, if i remember my software raid configuration (i used mdadm) i should be able to set that up again in deb right? |
| 23:08.46 | Gokee2 | zoom, Should be |
| 23:08.52 | rdz | wols, somehow it matters which device i add first to the bridge. does that make senser? |
| 23:08.57 | CppIsWeird | is there any way to have mdadm export my current raid config so that i can just load it up again? |
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| 23:09.07 | CppIsWeird | i set it up a while ago i might not remember everything. |
| 23:09.10 | penp | lol software raid |
| 23:09.13 | ahboy | please help gnome network manager i cant get it to run i tried gnome network manager didnt run i tried gnetworkmanager didnt work i dont know the command to run it |
| 23:09.14 | gynterk | :) |
| 23:09.16 | penp | im not sure..never messed with it |
| 23:09.19 | rdz | wols, thank oyu a lot. right now i am writing to you over the bridge :-) |
| 23:09.21 | zoom | Gokee2 thank you |
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| 23:09.32 | Gokee2 | zoom, np |
| 23:09.34 | gynterk | ahboy: debian? su? |
| 23:09.49 | qwaz | anyone know a more powerful newsreader than pan? |
| 23:09.52 | ahboy | aw |
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| 23:10.23 | mzb | ahboy: gksu network-admin |
| 23:10.25 | ahboy | nope |
| 23:10.28 | ahboy | aww |
| 23:10.34 | zoom | what package should i install so i can compile mplayer with alsa sound output support? |
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| 23:10.37 | peter_ | I have problem with my cfdisk |
| 23:10.38 | kbrooks | um |
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| 23:11.05 | kbrooks | output from vrms: Non-free packages with status other than installed on kyle-desktop |
| 23:11.07 | peter_ | at first in fstab I have /dev/hda mounted as /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:11.08 | kbrooks | there are 7 |
| 23:11.18 | kbrooks | how do i reduce that to 0 |
| 23:11.19 | peter_ | I gues it shows me dvd-rom right now |
| 23:11.41 | gynterk | zoom: ./configure --enable-alsa afaik |
| 23:11.54 | gynterk | afaik = as far as i know |
| 23:12.00 | gynterk | not part of command line |
| 23:12.13 | gynterk | but not 100% sure |
| 23:12.16 | gynterk | check google :P |
| 23:12.54 | gynterk | or do ./configure --help |
| 23:13.01 | zoom | gynterk i think i dont have the -dev library that mplayer needs for it, but im going to give it a try |
| 23:13.10 | gynterk | wait |
| 23:13.19 | zoom | yep, it is still not enabled:-/ |
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| 23:13.45 | rdz | wols, i can use mybridge as long only eth1 is part of it. however, as soon as i add eth0 to it, i cannot create new connections anymore. however, already running connections won't be affected (see my typing) |
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| 23:14.07 | sparr | kbrooks: install the other 7 packages? |
| 23:14.47 | kbrooks | sparr, no, i mean i want to get rid of that. must i install and remove, or is there another way? |
| 23:14.48 | gynterk | zoom: do apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 23:14.57 | qwaz | what are the linux equivalents of perfmon and event viewer? |
| 23:15.20 | zoom | gynterk ah ive just got it, i needed "libasound2-dev", but i will remember your command next time |
| 23:15.25 | zoom | gynterk thank you |
| 23:15.40 | gynterk | :) |
| 23:15.58 | pipeline | qwaz: there is no equivalent to the event viewer. You can either configure syslog to centralize logging, or you can use a separate log aggregator. |
| 23:16.39 | qwaz | pipeline: thank you :) |
| 23:16.42 | pipeline | qwaz: as for perfmon, gnome-system-manager is a nice GUI tool. sar is a statistics collector, and various tools can deal with sar output. |
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| 23:17.36 | qwaz | pipeline: excellent... |
| 23:17.45 | gynterk | peter_: what problem exactly? |
| 23:18.10 | rdz | wols, nevermind... i think it is just a matter of wating 30s.. it works now |
| 23:18.37 | peter_ | gynterk, well...on etch if cdrom is mounted, cfdisk shows cd-rom, not my sda |
| 23:18.41 | fmiser | Install troubles. I was helping a friend put Etch on a Windows box. Windows is on the slave drive. Grub is on the MBR of the master drive. Without a boot floppy, Windows boots and I never get to see the grub menu. What now? |
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| 23:19.05 | sparr | kbrooks: i dont understand the problem. theres a message saying you have seven packages that arent installed. why do you want to make that go away if you dont want to install the packages? |
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| 23:19.53 | gynterk | peter_: try cfdisk /dev/sda |
| 23:20.17 | peter_ | gynterk, you see... if I umount cdrom cfdisk shows sda ;) |
| 23:20.51 | gynterk | afaik cfdisk should read automatically first mounted drive if not specified otherwise |
| 23:20.56 | Tramp | fmiser: looks like the boot-order in the BIOS prefers the Windows drive I'd say |
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| 23:21.40 | pablo | hi, can i make a music cd with nautilus? |
| 23:21.53 | gynterk | so I assume that hdX are before sdX |
| 23:22.03 | peter_ | gynterk, so cd-rom if mounted is first mounted drive ? |
| 23:22.25 | fmiser | Tramp: Ahh. I've works mostly with _old_ hardware. I don't think I've seen a bios where I can choose which hardrive to boot from. Is that pretty comon? |
| 23:22.43 | gynterk | peter_: I think so, not sure again, but seems so |
| 23:23.02 | pablo | hi, can i make a music cd with nautilus? if not which gnome app you recommend? |
| 23:23.13 | xand | fmiser: any pc made this century ;) |
| 23:23.18 | Tramp | fmiser: every BIOS I ever saw is different. However, for the problem you mentioned this is the only possibility I can think of. |
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| 23:23.57 | fmiser | xand: Oh... Err... I guess I'd better get withit, huh? |
| 23:24.10 | aarkerio | Hi! I am thinking to buy a cheap USB bluethoot (20 bucks) |
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| 23:24.28 | aarkerio | there is a brand better than another? |
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| 23:24.31 | gynterk | peter_: thou it makes sense, assuming that cfdisk takes first device alphabetically (hd is before sd) |
| 23:24.34 | aarkerio | I mean, on debian |
| 23:25.10 | aarkerio | somebody already had installed USB bluethoot on Lenny? |
| 23:25.19 | gynterk | don't know about that, never used bluetooth on debian :) |
| 23:25.23 | peter_ | gynterk, it is working as you saying, but I just was wondering if its correct |
| 23:25.42 | fmiser | Tramp: Okay. I'll be there tomorrow and take a look at the bios. Hmm... Would installing grub on hdb work? You know, in case the bios is as, as, well, out-of-date as I am? |
| 23:26.05 | gynterk | peter_: Well I can't get google to say something reasonable, but I think it's correct. |
| 23:26.11 | aarkerio | I am sick to looking for wire to download my cell phone photos to HD |
| 23:26.20 | Tramp | fmiser: Certainly. |
| 23:26.53 | gynterk | peter_: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?cfdisk+8 |
| 23:26.56 | gynterk | as you see |
| 23:27.16 | gynterk | peter_: /dev/hda is default, that means if exists, it'll be used automatically |
| 23:28.01 | peter_ | gynterk, where can I found what device are right now working? |
| 23:28.23 | gynterk | what you mean ? |
| 23:28.28 | gynterk | what are connected or mounted ? |
| 23:28.28 | fmiser | Tramp: Sweet! I like having options. And I keep getting smarter in my weak area - installing. Thanks for the help! *smile* |
| 23:29.10 | Tramp | fmiser: np. But there is no BIOS that /only/ boots from the 2nd HD - would be kind of, aeh, useless. |
| 23:29.46 | streuner | pleed: you must install CUPS first |
| 23:29.52 | streuner | !hpinkjet install |
| 23:29.52 | dpkg | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/index.html |
| 23:29.56 | streuner | pleed: and read that ^^^ |
| 23:30.01 | peter_ | gynterk, If I turn on pc first time... I want to know what dev are connected/mounted... where to check it? |
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| 23:30.10 | gynterk | mount -l? |
| 23:30.30 | streuner | pleed: then the driver mentioned in linux-printing.org, if its not already installed |
| 23:30.38 | gynterk | this lists all mounted disk-devices |
| 23:30.44 | gynterk | and mountpoints |
| 23:30.44 | peter_ | gynterk, what -l means? I have seen it few times |
| 23:30.56 | gynterk | usually list |
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| 23:31.08 | gynterk | no |
| 23:31.09 | gynterk | wrong |
| 23:31.10 | gynterk | idem |
| 23:31.21 | clamiax | gynterk: only -l mean nothing, btw |
| 23:31.24 | clamiax | ;) |
| 23:31.27 | gynterk | :D |
| 23:31.31 | jpiccolo | will dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb zero out the superblocks also? |
| 23:31.52 | clamiax | jpiccolo: why not? |
| 23:32.05 | gynterk | peter_: you can usually get info/help about program using --help |
| 23:32.07 | jpiccolo | clamiax: what do you me? |
| 23:32.10 | jpiccolo | mean? |
| 23:32.13 | gynterk | mount --help for example |
| 23:32.29 | clamiax | jpiccolo: why shouldn't write the superblocks? |
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| 23:32.38 | fmiser | Tramp: Good point. But me and Windows have this thing... I don't like it and it doesn't like me! I certainly don't understand it. |
| 23:33.06 | clamiax | jpiccolo: in other words: yes. |
| 23:33.14 | gynterk | I don't use Windows because typing serial number/key takes too long time |
| 23:33.15 | jpiccolo | clamiax: i am trying to kill an array, and i need the superblocks of the drives to start over |
| 23:33.38 | clamiax | jpiccolo: then you only need to clear the MBR |
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| 23:33.51 | gynterk | ye |
| 23:34.02 | clamiax | jpiccolo: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 |
| 23:34.09 | jpiccolo | clamiax: there is no mbr, they dont have a os on them |
| 23:34.18 | wols | jpiccolo: there is a MBR |
| 23:34.21 | gynterk | :D |
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| 23:34.26 | clamiax | jpiccolo: ehm.. |
| 23:34.28 | jpiccolo | on sda |
| 23:34.35 | clamiax | jpiccolo: what's the mbr? |
| 23:34.39 | wols | jpiccolo: there is one, no matter what you say |
| 23:34.47 | gynterk | clamiax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 23:34.53 | jpiccolo | sda = os. sdb,sdc,sdd = raid drives |
| 23:34.58 | clamiax | gynterk: that's good for jpiccolo, i guess. |
| 23:35.32 | gynterk | my bad :=) |
| 23:35.34 | jpiccolo | the os is fine, i just need to complete erase the raid and start over with the disks |
| 23:35.46 | jpiccolo | completely |
| 23:36.13 | clamiax | jpiccolo: clear the MBR and re-create slice and labels |
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| 23:36.45 | jpiccolo | i have already deleted the partions and made new ones and that didnt work |
| 23:36.54 | gynterk | nono |
| 23:37.02 | gynterk | deleting partitions doesnt clear mbr |
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| 23:37.08 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 23:37.08 | clamiax | :\ |
| 23:37.15 | jpiccolo | there is no mbr on the raid disks |
| 23:37.20 | gynterk | ah raid |
| 23:37.22 | gynterk | rofl |
| 23:37.24 | gynterk | soz :D |
| 23:37.26 | Tramp | jpiccolo: zeroeing the superblock of the faulty device did not help as well? |
| 23:37.27 | jpiccolo | mbr only says what disk to boot from |
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| 23:37.36 | Agatha | I'm curious more than worried about this - but at the moment I have a Linux installed with 6GB RAM, but 'free' and 'top' and /proc/meminfo all show only about 5.5GB existing. Is that normal? |
| 23:37.40 | CryptoMole | how does backporting work for etch? |
| 23:38.05 | jpiccolo | i made a raid, then simulated a failed disk, but couldnt get the array to take the disk back |
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| 23:38.30 | streuner | CryptoMole: read "Instructions" on the website |
| 23:38.37 | jpiccolo | so now i am trying to just wipe the whole array and start from scratch |
| 23:38.48 | clamiax | jpiccolo: disks always have MBR |
| 23:39.07 | jpiccolo | is that were the superblocks are? |
| 23:39.08 | clamiax | (btw) |
| 23:39.12 | streuner | CryptoMole: backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backports |
| 23:39.13 | jpiccolo | that hold the raid info? |
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| 23:40.11 | jpiccolo | will dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb clear the mbr? |
| 23:40.21 | Agatha | (it's etch, too - 4.0r1 - running on a VMware VM) |
| 23:40.48 | clamiax | jpiccolo: just try |
| 23:41.07 | jelly-ho | jpiccolo: it will clear the whole disk! |
| 23:41.19 | clamiax | indeed |
| 23:41.23 | epsilon | wasn't there some RAID superblock thingy on a disc which may block? |
| 23:41.30 | clamiax | that's why i suggested a "better" command above. |
| 23:41.50 | kingsley | why would gqview display images with too much zoom when run as root? |
| 23:42.18 | CryptoMole | thanks |
| 23:42.29 | jelly-ho | kingsley: why would one one an image viewer as root anyway? |
| 23:42.34 | jelly-ho | run* |
| 23:42.34 | fmiser | jpiccolo: That will take time. I would try doing the MBR only first - then if that doesn't work, do the whole thing. |
| 23:42.34 | jpiccolo | so dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1 will clear the mbr? |
| 23:42.43 | jelly-ho | jpiccolo: yes. |
| 23:42.54 | jpiccolo | ok i will try that on the other ones |
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| 23:43.14 | kingsley | jelly-ho: To access a USB thumb drive. |
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| 23:43.49 | jelly-ho | kingsley: um... mount it to be accessible as normal user instead? |
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| 23:44.33 | fmiser | kingsley: Well, probably because it's using a different set of preferences. |
| 23:45.14 | jpiccolo | how would i remove /dev/md0 |
| 23:45.25 | Jrabbit | for installing compiz-fusion why is ther no compiz-fusion deb? |
| 23:45.34 | Jrabbit | has the compiz.deb been updated? |
| 23:45.45 | Jrabbit | There are compiz fusion plugins |
| 23:47.14 | gynterk | Jrabbit: etch? |
| 23:47.32 | kingsley | fmiser: I'm happy to report that copying a working user's .gqview directory to ~root solved the problem. Thank you. |
| 23:47.32 | Jrabbit | lenny/sid |
| 23:47.37 | gynterk | hmm |
| 23:47.47 | gynterk | Jrabbit: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=compiz-fusion&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 23:48.11 | Jrabbit | gynterk, duh |
| 23:48.18 | gynterk | as you can see |
| 23:48.21 | gynterk | thats all there is |
| 23:48.23 | Jrabbit | But there is no compiz-fusiin package |
| 23:48.23 | Jrabbit | XD |
| 23:48.34 | gynterk | indeed |
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| 23:49.11 | gynterk | Jrabbit: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=2294 |
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| 23:49.22 | Jrabbit | I got a link from #compiz-fusion |
| 23:49.33 | Jrabbit | just an unnessicary pita |
| 23:49.35 | gynterk | ok |
| 23:49.59 | gynterk | so |
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| 23:50.02 | jpiccolo | hrm anyone have an estimate on dd if=/dev/zero of a 500gig hard drive? |
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| 23:50.15 | Guerin | jpiccolo: go finish your christmas shopping |
| 23:50.17 | phr0stbite | Does anyone know the solution to this problem: getaddrinfo: Name or service not known (SocketError) |
| 23:50.23 | Jrabbit | hahaha |
| 23:50.30 | gynterk | anyone got ideas about a wifi card what hates me (ipw2200, etch, kernel 2.6.18-5-686) |
| 23:50.31 | Jrabbit | Ugh |
| 23:50.40 | Jrabbit | Why did the gnoem upgrade shirnk all my fonts |
| 23:50.40 | gynterk | default kernel (currently) |
| 23:50.51 | gynterk | because it's "gnome" |
| 23:50.58 | Guerin | gynterk: ipw2200 works fine. The problem is at your end. |
| 23:50.59 | Jrabbit | lol |
| 23:51.08 | Guerin | nothing to do with gnome, either |
| 23:51.11 | gynterk | Guerin: i know it works fine :D |
| 23:51.16 | phr0stbite | Anyone? |
| 23:51.26 | gynterk | i just can't get it configured right |
| 23:51.33 | gynterk | and I'm out of ideas |
| 23:51.50 | Guerin | gynterk: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw2200; get the firmware and you're done |
| 23:52.10 | fmiser | kingsley: It would be a really good idea to get USB permissions corrected so a non-root user can access USB. |
| 23:52.12 | phr0stbite | Does anyone use ruby? |
| 23:52.21 | Guerin | !anyone use ruby |
| 23:52.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses ruby, not even the people who use it. |
| 23:52.31 | phr0stbite | Neither do i |
| 23:52.41 | Guerin | phr0stbite: the people in #ruby have especially never used it |
| 23:52.42 | phr0stbite | Another program needs it to work tho |
| 23:52.52 | waltz | uh |
| 23:52.53 | phr0stbite | Guerin very insiteful |
| 23:52.55 | waltz | how do I find the I/O port address and IRQ for the serial cards? |
| 23:52.59 | phr0stbite | How can i fix this error? |
| 23:53.00 | waltz | I don't have /proc/pci |
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| 23:53.20 | Guerin | phr0stbite: post the error to paster |
| 23:53.22 | phr0stbite | getaddrinfo: Name or service not known (SocketError) |
| 23:53.35 | gynterk | jesus christ |
| 23:53.41 | waltz | where? |
| 23:53.49 | gynterk | 3 lines back |
| 23:53.53 | RichiH | gynterk: yes, my son? |
| 23:53.54 | valdyn | waltz: irq and io port for serial ports are changed and can be seen in the bios |
| 23:54.05 | waltz | valdyn: uhm |
| 23:54.07 | streuner | haha |
| 23:54.20 | Tramp | jpiccolo: you can send the dd a USR1 signal to see, how much it has written already. I'd expect it to run for several hours |
| 23:54.21 | phr0stbite | Guerin: http://rafb.net/p/hVgtHM54.html |
| 23:54.34 | jpiccolo | i just rebooted |
| 23:55.59 | waltz | valdyn: I think the kernel would see them? |
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| 23:56.21 | uli | hello, someone uses dkimproxy with postfix + debian? |
| 23:56.33 | valdyn | waltz: the serial port driver "probes". |
| 23:56.39 | phr0stbite | Guerin - so..... do you know how to solve this error? |
| 23:56.58 | jpiccolo | Tramp: haha i am still messing with this blasted raid |
| 23:57.01 | waltz | valdyn: ? |
| 23:57.03 | phr0stbite | Or anyone ? |
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| 23:57.06 | phr0stbite | ............... |
| 23:57.32 | waltz | does anyone else here have a clue? |
| 23:57.48 | simonrvn | nope, never, what's a clue? |
| 23:57.53 | Tramp | jpiccolo: I recommended later, to just zero the superblock on the failed partition, but you probably were afk at that time |
| 23:57.54 | maher | if i do stuff > file, is there some way of setting different permissions on the file as I do this? |
| 23:58.01 | phr0stbite | Prolly not causse i cant get my question answered =/ |
| 23:58.14 | simonrvn | maher: umask, chmod ? |
| 23:58.17 | gynterk | maher: chmod ? |
| 23:58.25 | jpiccolo | Tramp: i have tried that, but it keep saying that the device is busy |
| 23:58.27 | gynterk | damn I'm slow |
| 23:58.32 | gynterk | and blind |
| 23:58.37 | waltz | simonrvn: you'll find some if you look in the clues closet |
| 23:58.54 | simonrvn | waltz: ok, thanks |
| 23:58.54 | jpiccolo | Tramp: well i just deleted the mbr on all the drive and then repartitioned them |
| 23:58.58 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 23:59.15 | jpiccolo | Tramp: and then tried to create a new array and it says all the drives are busy |
| 23:59.33 | zeon | how can i my debian |
| 23:59.38 | simonrvn | they're busy spinning in their cases |
| 23:59.45 | zeon | make a restore |
| 23:59.55 | maher | simonrvn: umask - thanks |
